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| 01:33.50 | SE3CKOR | I screwed up my Debian and now my gnome3 terminal won't register Shift+up or down in Midnight Commander which makes selecting a PITA. These keys work OK if I Ctrl-Alt F1 and sign in there. I know this works good on a default Debian install because I did one a few days ago on another PC. I did play around with terminals a while ago trying to fix some broken keyboard shortcuts in emacs. Any idea what I screwed up? |
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| 01:44.49 | mike802 | http://mike802.blogspot.com/2014/05/business-reality.html |
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| 01:53.27 | Reelax | hi, i installed debian yesterday and now it doesn't boot. After grub shows up and i select the Debian , it keeps blinking on the black screen |
| 01:54.03 | Reelax | i tried updating grub, it's useless |
| 01:54.25 | abrotman | now it doesn't? it booted yesterday? |
| 01:54.25 | brianblaze420 | have u tried running it at a different run level? |
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| 01:55.31 | sarahc | hi guys! i really want to switch to debian (from disgusting windows) but theres one thing left for me to understand before doing it.... how do i connect to my vpn provider in debain? ive searched everywhere but i cant figure it out. no gui for it? :s |
| 01:56.00 | Reelax | abrotman : i updated grub while i was in debian 2 hrs ago. i also have a windows installed in part 2. befor switching to Win7 i did update-grub. i think it screwed up |
| 01:56.09 | abrotman | sarahc: depends on your VPN endpoint |
| 01:56.27 | sarahc | abrotman: what do you need to know to help me? please tell me |
| 01:56.40 | abrotman | sarahc: Need to know your endpoint provider |
| 01:56.51 | abrotman | Reelax: so you installed Windows after Debian? |
| 01:56.57 | sarahc | abrotman: its a swedish provider called anonine.com and im using the openvpn protocol |
| 01:57.11 | sarahc | does that make sense? |
| 01:57.18 | Reelax | no installed debian on a clean partition, windows was already there |
| 01:57.43 | Reelax | and after debian installed i was using it without anyproblem. |
| 01:57.52 | abrotman | sarahc: I know Gnome3 has some GUI things to help manage VPN connections |
| 01:58.04 | abrotman | Reelax: so what changed? |
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| 01:58.25 | sarahc | abrotman: but i need to know that it works before switching... i can live without everything but that |
| 01:58.29 | sarahc | i must have it working |
| 01:58.32 | Reelax | for the first time i rebooted it to switch to Win7 from Grub menu, windows opens OK, i tried to open debian , it fails |
| 01:58.56 | abrotman | sarahc: you can dual boot, try it before you buy it |
| 01:59.09 | Reelax | abrotman: the change is : i did grub update before last debian poweroff |
| 01:59.19 | sarahc | abrotman: sounds too hard |
| 01:59.22 | brianblaze420 | sarah try with a vm first then? |
| 01:59.25 | abrotman | sarahc: okay ... |
| 01:59.42 | abrotman | Reelax: that seems like it should work .. try the grub superdisk |
| 01:59.51 | sarahc | brianblaze420: i wish i knew how |
| 01:59.58 | brianblaze420 | get virtualbox |
| 02:00.02 | sarahc | sucks that it seems to be such an obscure thing on debian :( |
| 02:00.04 | brianblaze420 | it almost installs it for u |
| 02:00.14 | brianblaze420 | just get the iso |
| 02:00.16 | brianblaze420 | and u r good |
| 02:00.20 | abrotman | sarahc: mine to my work VPN works great .. not sure what to tell you |
| 02:00.33 | sarahc | abrotman: are you using openvpn? |
| 02:00.34 | Reelax | abrotman: i can login from tty1 , but graphically no |
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| 02:01.06 | Reelax | abrotman: grub superdisk ? |
| 02:01.57 | abrotman | Reelax: google that |
| 02:02.04 | abrotman | sarahc: cisco VPn |
| 02:02.23 | sarahc | abrotman: :s |
| 02:02.32 | abrotman | :# |
| 02:03.36 | brianblaze420 | i haven't tried tunnleblick for debian but it could work |
| 02:04.01 | sarahc | brianblaze420: ive never even heard of it |
| 02:04.12 | brianblaze420 | look it up :) |
| 02:04.19 | brianblaze420 | haha it's a vpn client |
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| 02:05.26 | sarahc | brianblaze420: mac os x :s |
| 02:06.01 | Reelax | abrotman: k thanks |
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| 02:06.20 | abrotman | bah, frankie goes to hollywood |
| 02:06.27 | brianblaze420 | oh yeah lol sorry been switching between mac linux and windows so much can't keep track |
| 02:07.37 | sarahc | i guess im stuck with windows... /suicide |
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| 02:47.13 | egt | Is there a desktop gui that is a mix of gnome and kde for debian. |
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| 02:50.04 | jmcnaught | egt: you can run KDE apps in Gnome, or Gnome apps in KDE |
| 02:51.24 | egt | okay, I was just wondering, thank you |
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| 02:59.12 | LinuxGuy2020 | Is there any way to make a system snapshot or system restore point? Like if I decide to try out a bunch of packages and want to return the system back to a previous state before all the installs. |
| 03:00.29 | poeticrpm | LinuxGuy2020: Btrfs has a feature that will allow such things |
| 03:00.46 | poeticrpm | just look up btrfs snapshots |
| 03:01.16 | poeticrpm | I have a btrfs system, but havent setup snapshots yet, so I cant help you with details. Not supposed to be that hard though |
| 03:01.26 | jmcnaught | LinuxGuy2020: that can also be done with LVM2 using snapshots |
| 03:01.36 | poeticrpm | indeed |
| 03:01.43 | LinuxGuy2020 | Hmmm ok |
| 03:02.09 | poeticrpm | ive never tried lvm2, but ive heard it has issues from time to time? True at all? |
| 03:03.15 | jmcnaught | poeticrpm: could be, but none that I've encountered so far at least |
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| 03:04.09 | poeticrpm | ive debated trying it. Well see which one I get around to first |
| 03:05.31 | LinuxGuy2020 | Am I wrong in assuming that LVM is for systems with multiple drives, or would it be a logical choice for a single drive system just to be able to get that snapshot feature? |
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| 03:06.17 | jmcnaught | LinuxGuy2020: you can use LVM with a single drive. I use it on my laptop. |
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| 03:08.50 | LinuxGuy2020 | Hmm I'm gonna look. Into this for sure then. I was trying to use dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections to do an attempted "snapshot" but didn't work like I expected. |
| 03:11.26 | LinuxGuy2020 | Thanks guys |
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| 03:23.41 | average | may I ask a question about Tor ? |
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| 03:26.39 | jmcnaught | average: you don't need to ask permission, just ask away! |
| 03:26.49 | revo14 | hello, how can i install gcnccam i have use .deb but i can read packette installed but i cant see it and find it |
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| 03:27.31 | edgardoweb | hi |
| 03:27.48 | edgardoweb | how are brother's |
| 03:28.31 | jmcnaught | revo14: "dpkg -L gcnccam" will show you a list of the files installed by that package |
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| 03:29.12 | revo14 | I dont know much about debian |
| 03:29.17 | rawfodog | Im trying to access a thumb drive but I get this error: http://paste.debian.net/101511/ |
| 03:29.28 | revo14 | i must go to the terminal? |
| 03:30.48 | revo14 | jmcnaught what can i do? |
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| 03:33.38 | mitc0185 | what is the package I need to be able to mount a 4.2BSD filesystem? |
| 03:34.28 | jmcnaught | revo14: that "dpkg ..." command above was for the terminal |
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| 03:37.16 | jmcnaught | revo14: in the terminal if you put a "| less" at the end you can scroll up and down to read the list then hit "q" to quit. (so the whole command would be "dpkg -L gcnccam | less". In that list you'd be looking for something like "/usr/bin/gcnccam". You could also simply try typing "gcnccam" into the terminal. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with gcnccam myself. |
| 03:37.29 | revo14 | jmcnaught yes ready i can see a list now what i do? |
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| 03:45.58 | revo14 | hey yes i can open but why it is not on menu? |
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| 03:46.15 | revo14 | i can open since terminal write gcnccam |
| 03:46.31 | iceisfun | why is debian so awesome :| |
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| 03:48.27 | jmcnaught | revo14: whoever created the gcnccam package (it doesn't seem to be part of debian) did not include a .desktop menu file is probably why it's not in your menu |
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| 03:53.34 | revo14 | jmcnaught but how can i do that icono for gcnccam |
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| 03:56.25 | jmcnaught | revo14: take a look in /usr/share/applications each file in there that ends with .desktop is a menu entry |
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| 03:59.32 | jmcnaught | revo14: or maybe install the "alacarte" package, it's a GUI menu editor for Gnome. I haven't used it in ages though |
| 04:00.49 | revo14 | so then if im going to use this program i have to go to the terminal? |
| 04:01.33 | jmcnaught | revo14: you can run from terminal if you want. you can also create a menu entry yourself, checkout alacarte |
| 04:03.25 | revo14 | ok im going to try that |
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| 04:13.26 | Dieguito | Hi humans. |
| 04:14.04 | Dieguito | I'm having this problem right now. http://pastebin.com/g52L8RDu Any suggestions? |
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| 04:14.51 | jmcnaught | Dieguito: try a different port? different mouse? |
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| 04:18.18 | Dieguito | nope, changed port |
| 04:18.21 | Dieguito | same message |
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| 04:21.31 | jmcnaught | Dieguito: is the problem that the mouse is not working? The log snippet that you pasted look like you unplugged it and plugged it back in a second later. Not sure what the problem is. |
| 04:23.22 | Dieguito | jmcnaught: can't start X. It keeps showing this message despite the mouse is connected. Unplugging it appears to solve it. But there's a problem with Genius mouses or what? |
| 04:24.27 | jmcnaught | Dieguito: I'm not sure. If it keeps displaying that message over and over again while the mouse is plugged in, there could be a problem with the mouse. Does the mouse work on a different computer? Do you have a different mouse to test? |
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| 04:26.35 | Dieguito | jmcnaught: yes. Even in the same computer with Windows. Just tryed with the laptop mouse, and is not showing |
| 04:26.43 | Dieguito | The message again. |
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| 04:27.56 | weaktea | how can I enable VNC/Desktop sharing from terminal (ssh)? |
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| 04:29.58 | Rusty1 | weaktea: google: tunnel vnc ssh , seems to be possible |
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| 04:30.16 | weaktea | Rusty1: woops. O dodm |
| 04:30.28 | weaktea | Rusty1: whoops, *I didn't mean tunneling, just to enable it on the system |
| 04:30.43 | weaktea | like a system setting that allows incoming VNC connections for that debian box |
| 04:30.52 | weaktea | is there a conf file somewhere and a service I can restart? |
| 04:31.15 | jmcnaught | Dieguito: sorry I'm not sure. Maybe someone else knows what to try. |
| 04:32.36 | Dieguito | jmcnaught: thanks anyways |
| 04:33.56 | jmcnaught | Dieguito: is this a laptop? If it happens only when power supply is disconnected this might be relevant: http://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/how-to-prevent-a-usb-mouse-auto-suspending-in-linux-when-a-laptops-power-supply-is-disconnected/ |
| 04:34.23 | Dieguito | Nope, desktop |
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| 04:47.31 | jazzninja | Hi :) I have a problem with LVM after trying to add a new disk; now one of my logical volumes won’t work. All described at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2225874&p=13031813#post13031813 |
| 04:47.42 | jazzninja | Anyone familiar with LVM who might have an idea of where to go now? |
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| 04:53.47 | nevyn | jazzninja: what was the exact pvcreate command? |
| 04:54.01 | nevyn | from the shell history ideally |
| 04:54.32 | somiaj | jazzninja: this is not the correct place for ubuntu support, either try #ubuntu ot an lvm channel. |
| 04:55.30 | jazzninja | somiaj: Thanks. I’ll see if there’s an lvm channel. |
| 04:55.52 | nevyn | jazzninja: there's #lvm |
| 04:56.07 | somiaj | jazzninja: #linux may also help |
| 04:56.34 | jazzninja | nevyn: The most recent one was: sudo pvcreate —uuid … /dev/sdc1 |
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| 05:00.19 | q0 | ive installed the symbols (or i thought i did with apper) but i still can't see anything in gdb for example ioputs.c is recognized but no code ???? any help with this |
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| 05:08.11 | average | q0: what are you debugging ? have you read the symbols of the dso/binary with nm, do they indicate that you have debugging symbols ? have you used ldd to see which libraries the binary is linked to ? why are you trying to debug ioputs.c (that seems a bit too low-level for regular debugging) ? why are you not in #gdb ? |
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| 05:10.49 | beepie | is it possible to use ssh with just an ip address (no /etc/resolv.conf << because it currently is not working unless I have 'nameserver' defined), I've tried "-u0" and 'UseDNS no', and don't see why this shouldn't be possible |
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| 05:12.47 | jmcnaught | beepie: "ssh 192.168.1.34" works for me.. do you get an error message? |
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| 05:13.44 | beepie | i'm using a pem key, the options is on sshd_config and /etc/resolv.conf(server) |
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| 05:14.32 | beepie | ssh <ip address> works when the server's own /etc/resolv.conf has a nameserver defined in it |
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| 05:17.27 | jmcnaught | beepie: well i guess all my computers have a nameserver defined in /etc/resolv.conf. I guess you probably have a reason for not having nameserver defined on the server that I don't understand |
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| 05:24.45 | q0 | average, yes nm returns symbols with addresses, linker returns libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007f2568dea000) but i can't see source list. I'm checking the flow of a simple utility to extend, I need to ask it here because i thought it was debian related |
| 05:26.10 | average | q0: if you want to extend an utility.. I would assume that you have the source code. the answer to your problem is somewhere in the compiling/linker flags that are missing, specifically -g |
| 05:28.56 | q0 | that doesn't provide __printf symbols |
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| 05:29.58 | average | q0: certain printf calls in some situations are replaced with puts calls by gcc |
| 05:32.02 | q0 | in any case, I still can't see the source |
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| 05:32.57 | q0 | found headers with symbols, but i'm missing something here |
| 05:34.20 | q0 | linux-image-3.2.blabla-amd64-dbg isn't it the right one ? |
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| 05:36.20 | q0 | shared libraries are still showing " ?? () from /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2" |
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| 05:39.19 | average | q0: perhaps libgcc1-dbg ? |
| 05:39.59 | average | but either way, I don't understand why you'd want to step-into a puts/printf call. if there's something to debug, it's outside of it. |
| 05:40.04 | average | but you may know better.. |
| 05:45.23 | weaktea | I tried installing nvidia drivers using the debian guide, but now the system hangs after restarting with a blinking cursor on a black screen. How can I revert the driver installation? (aptitude purge nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx didn't work, even after aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau) |
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| 05:46.00 | wols | weaktea: at which point do you get only a blinking cursor? |
| 05:46.40 | weaktea | wols: after GRUB, all kind sof modules loading up, but then I suppose at the point where you'd expect the system to load GDM3, it jus thangs with a black cursor |
| 05:46.42 | weaktea | I can still SSH in |
| 05:47.06 | wols | weaktea: then check your Xorg.0.log |
| 05:47.24 | wols | weaktea: and show us the content of your xorg.conf and xorg.conf.d files |
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| 05:48.47 | user345456 | what are the necessary packages to install linux mint 17 Drivers Manager im running debian 7.5 |
| 05:49.01 | weaktea | wols: http://paste.debian.net/101516/ |
| 05:50.17 | user345456 | or how can i tell if drivers are installed ? |
| 05:50.28 | wols | weaktea: you didn't install/uninstall nvidia drivers correctly. which one do you want? nouveau or nvidia? |
| 05:50.44 | wols | user345456: what drivers do you want to install with this driver manager? |
| 05:50.45 | weaktea | wols: ideally the nvidia drivers so I can have audio over HDMI |
| 05:50.57 | user345456 | wols video |
| 05:51.08 | weaktea | wols: tried using the command mentioned in the official debian guide for the nvidia drivers, but I ended up here |
| 05:51.15 | wols | user345456: there is no driver manager needed for that nor is it supported here. what videocard/chip do you have? |
| 05:51.25 | wols | weaktea: same for you, which videochip is it? |
| 05:51.40 | wols | !tell weaktea about nvidia dkms |
| 05:51.41 | user345456 | wols i think ati but not sure |
| 05:51.55 | weaktea | when I had nvidia-detect I think it says geforce gtx 216 |
| 05:52.00 | weaktea | for sure a gtx 200 |
| 05:52.04 | weaktea | so the legacy drivers, I believe |
| 05:52.14 | wols | user345456: lspci -nn |
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| 05:53.33 | weaktea | wols: so just run that same command again? |
| 05:53.52 | wols | yes, and this time check your Xorg.0.log why it doesn't work :) |
| 05:54.11 | user345456 | wols http://pastebin.com/mJUdgL3B |
| 05:54.11 | wols | nouveau currently doesn't cause there is no kms module for it loaded in kernel it seems |
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| 05:54.44 | wols | ,pciid http://pastebin.com/mJUdgL3B |
| 05:54.56 | wols | ,pciid 1002:9903 |
| 05:54.57 | judd | [1002:9903] is 'Trinity [Radeon HD 7640G]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9903 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 05:55.48 | user345456 | wols does that mean the driver is installed? |
| 05:56.20 | wols | user345456: the radeon driver is installed by default, yes. fglrx you need to do manually |
| 05:56.41 | wols | user345456: what is the output of "glxinfo"? |
| 05:56.47 | user345456 | fglrx? |
| 05:57.06 | wols | fglrx is the amd proprietary driver. radeon is the free driver shipping with Xorg |
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| 05:57.49 | user345456 | http://pastebin.com/xvmbj2ug |
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| 05:58.36 | wols | user345456: are you running inside vmware? |
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| 05:58.49 | user345456 | live usb |
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| 05:59.29 | user345456 | well i guess i will do a full install since it found most of my drivers |
| 05:59.37 | wols | ah, gallium3d is now maintained by vmware |
| 05:59.41 | weaktea | wols: http://paste.debian.net/101517/ |
| 05:59.44 | weaktea | seems like the same error |
| 05:59.46 | weaktea | pretty much |
| 06:00.31 | user345456 | ok goingto install now brb |
| 06:00.33 | wols | weaktea: what is in your xorg.conf file? |
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| 06:01.45 | weaktea | wols: I'm not seeing one actually existing |
| 06:01.48 | weaktea | which I suppose is strange |
| 06:01.52 | weaktea | at least not in /etc/X11 |
| 06:03.18 | wols | weaktea: is some file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ? |
| 06:03.36 | wols | and if there is none, then that is your error. the factoid clearly told you to create it, so does the debian wiki, etc. |
| 06:03.59 | weaktea | wols: not even seeing that |
| 06:04.00 | weaktea | so yeah |
| 06:04.02 | weaktea | that might be it |
| 06:04.03 | weaktea | didn't notice |
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| 06:07.46 | weaktea | dang, still hanging on a black screen after this: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration |
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| 06:14.45 | wols | weaktea: what is your xorg log now? |
| 06:14.58 | weaktea | http://paste.debian.net/101523/ |
| 06:15.01 | wols | and what is ls -l /dev/drm and dmesg |grep drm |
| 06:15.04 | weaktea | wols: looks much the same to me |
| 06:15.38 | wols | as you can clearly see it is totally different. read line 127 ff |
| 06:16.18 | weaktea | no such directory and empty for the second one |
| 06:16.36 | wols | weaktea: lsmod |grep nvidia |
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| 06:16.58 | Mmike | Hi, lads. Anyone knows is there a way to check for ext4lazyinit progress? |
| 06:17.06 | weaktea | wols: http://paste.debian.net/101524/ |
| 06:17.55 | wols | ok, so nvidia module is loaded |
| 06:19.28 | wols | weaktea: what does lspci -nn say? otherwise: do as the error emssage says and read the COMMON PROBLEMS in the readme file. should be in /usr/share/doc/nvidia* |
| 06:19.49 | weaktea | wols: http://paste.debian.net/101525/ |
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| 07:01.55 | vlt | hgd: look at ifconfig |
| 07:02.06 | evilman_home | hgd: check state of network interface: ip -s -s link. interface should be UP and LOWER_UP. |
| 07:03.00 | hgd | evilman_home: alright, everything pops up with 127.0.0.1 and my ethernet cord is connected |
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| 07:03.42 | evilman_home | vlt: have you configure your NIC? |
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| 07:05.13 | evilman_home | vlt: check routes, then ping default gateway, then ping some externel ip, then do the traceroute, check /etc/resolve.conf. |
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| 08:36.20 | kingkong|here | hello, in sshd_config i added a line with AllowUsers but now, i can only login sftp as root, not as added user. i deleted AllowUsers line back but why still can't sftp as user? |
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| 08:36.49 | kingkong|here | after changes i did /etc/init.d/ssh reload |
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| 08:44.25 | fdarling | I am looking to apply a small patch to a kernel module to enable support for a wireless card, would someone help me with this? I am not what is the "correct" Debian way of doing this. I'd like to have an otherwise standard Debian kernel, but with just this small modification |
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| 08:48.33 | wols | !tell fdarling about kernel handbook |
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| 08:49.57 | fdarling | wols: it would seem that it's downloading a different version of the kernel? I have 3.2.0-4-amd64 but it's grabbing 3.2.57? |
| 08:50.11 | fdarling | wols: I am talking about when I run "apt-get source linux" |
| 08:50.29 | wols | ,v kernels |
| 08:50.30 | judd | No package named 'kernels' was found in i386. |
| 08:50.34 | wols | ,kernels |
| 08:50.35 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.15-rc5-686-pae (3.15~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.4-1); jessie: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.4-1); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.4-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.54-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 08:50.50 | wols | as you can see, it's the right one |
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| 08:51.40 | fdarling | wols: I see that's what it says in the parenthesis, what exactly am I seeing then? is the 3.2.0 the package name and not the revision? |
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| 08:52.22 | CrumsOnTheFloor | I can't get any sound out of my ncmpcpp, where should I start ? |
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| 08:56.02 | fdarling | wols: would you hold my hand a bit? I am not sure exactly what applies in my case, I don't simply have a patch file so I can't use that devscript, I need to go and hand edit some files before compilation but after applying the standard debian patches |
| 08:56.19 | fdarling | wols: it's not clear to me if this will build the kernel that I'm running, or if I have to select some options to do so |
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| 09:06.34 | fdarling | wols: also, some instructions online say to "apt-get install linux-source" rather than running "apt-get source linux", I am not sure if they are equivalent |
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| 09:43.35 | macrobat | CrumsOnTheFloor: start with the server mpd and the simple mpc client |
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| 09:48.01 | jasabella | hi :) i've set my dhcp client to send host-name in debian, but other computers on my network cant lookup the debian box by hostname? Hmmmmm |
| 09:50.24 | Walex | jasabella: the two things are not related. |
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| 10:00.00 | YomboCre | test |
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| 10:10.21 | horsik | is it possible to build selective packages using dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 10:11.22 | horsik | i'm rebuilding chromium and output size is ridiculous, it's over 15GB |
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| 10:12.01 | horsik | not to mention it took few hours to finish compilation |
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| 10:18.54 | malmelmil | Hi, hello... what would you consider to be best practice installing debian in a system with a 500gbHD and a 20gbSSD ? I mean in terms of partitioning etc. Double booting with windows is a possibility. thanks (Acer aspire v7 581g) , please let me know if I can improve my question. Link with some specs http://www.aceronline.es/acer-aspire-v7-581g-53338g52akk-nx-ma6eb-002.html thanks |
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| 10:21.57 | gr8 | hi. for my Intel Core2 Solo, should I use the 486 or 686-pae boot entry? I am going to install debian on my Thinkpad T60 |
| 10:22.07 | SynrGy | malmelmil: that's a matter of personal usage and preference. there's no "best" answer. my preference would be to install debian completely to the 20G hdd with only /home on the 500G hdd and a separate partition there for Windows (which I would then use infrequently) |
| 10:22.43 | SynrGy | gr8: you're installing 32-bit on a 64-bit processor deliberately? |
| 10:22.55 | malmelmil | thank you SynrGy, would you place grub on the ssd aswell ? |
| 10:23.00 | SynrGy | oh, for the installer. humm |
| 10:23.06 | SynrGy | malmelmil: i don't see why not |
| 10:23.34 | malmelmil | I see, thank you. |
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| 10:24.31 | SynrGy | also instead of putting all of /home on the hdd, you might put a small /home on the ssd ... |
| 10:24.49 | SynrGy | and mount/symlink extra space for your home dir for "bulk" stuff from the hdd |
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| 10:25.08 | SynrGy | but that's just me |
| 10:25.16 | frostschutz | malmelmil, I'd opt for a larger SSD. put system and home on it, let the HDD sleep most of the time, saves battery |
| 10:25.18 | SynrGy | i consider 20G to be plenty big enough for the OS |
| 10:25.26 | SynrGy | but i'm a minimalist |
| 10:26.12 | SynrGy | then you enjoy the improved lower latency to access things in ~/.cache, etc. |
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| 10:26.41 | SynrGy | (of course, it could be arranged the reverse, too; just a matter of which you find easier to maintain) |
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| 10:26.48 | malmelmil | Thank you, I wonder, will software packages go towards the SSD, as the system is installed there, and so I risk eating up the space this way? thanks again |
| 10:27.13 | SynrGy | malmelmil: if you install a lot of "fat" stuff, yes. again, it's a matter of personal usage and preference ... |
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| 10:27.26 | SynrGy | for me, i don't have lots of stuff on my laptop with large data components |
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| 10:27.46 | SynrGy | for the ones that are very large, i could migrate them (via symlinks) to the hdd later if i wanted to |
| 10:27.48 | malmelmil | I may have, some audio software can eat up to 4gb or more already |
| 10:27.55 | malmelmil | Ok I see |
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| 10:28.50 | frostschutz | malmelmil, had that happen with audacity, it filled up /var/tmp instead of the hdd dir I saved the project in |
| 10:29.02 | gr8 | SynrGy: oh sorry it's intel Core solo (Yonah), not Core2. 32bit instruction set |
| 10:29.34 | SynrGy | gr8: i see. no idea, then. if it has pae, then 686-pae. otherwise 486. |
| 10:29.35 | malmelmil | frostschutz, how did you fix that ? |
| 10:29.50 | SynrGy | gr8: or more generally "use the one that works" ;) |
| 10:30.02 | frostschutz | malmelmil, rm :> |
| 10:30.04 | SynrGy | gr8: if the one you tried doesn't work, use the other one |
| 10:30.22 | SynrGy | gr8: it doesn't matter overly much which one you boot on. the installer can figure out which kernel is best for you and install it. |
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| 10:30.57 | malmelmil | frostschutz, but as in every time ? or did you automate that in a way or another? thanks |
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| 10:31.17 | gr8 | ok thanks SynrGy |
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| 10:34.29 | nerone | ciao! |
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| 10:34.38 | nerone | list! |
| 10:34.56 | frostschutz | malmelmil, only happened once so far |
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| 10:36.03 | malmelmil | I see, thanks |
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| 10:38.57 | gr8 | the installer says that there is a mismatch between the installer architecture (486) and live disk architecture (686). but when I press ok, the installer continues. so, can I install the 686 version or not?? |
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| 10:39.14 | gr8 | pae is supported btw |
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| 10:40.26 | tremon | -pae should be supported on every x86 processor since the pentium II |
| 10:40.46 | SynrG | gr8 you're using the live image. |
| 10:40.50 | gr8 | yes |
| 10:40.52 | SynrG | you needed to disclose this info |
| 10:40.59 | Walex | gr8: something will fail at some point... There are CPU instructions present in 686 that don't exist in 486 |
| 10:40.59 | SynrG | boot 486 |
| 10:41.09 | SynrG | the installer and live system kernel must match |
| 10:41.36 | gr8 | so why doesn't the live system start the matching installer version? |
| 10:41.37 | SynrG | this has nothing to do with what your hardware supports. |
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| 10:41.50 | SynrG | it's not the live system in control at this point. it's the bootloader. |
| 10:42.27 | gr8 | ehm... I started the live system and then clicked on the Install desktop icon |
| 10:42.30 | eristisk | Okay so Pulseaudio just dies and I can't find the logs in /var/log/ |
| 10:42.39 | eristisk | Now sound is broken across the entire system. |
| 10:43.07 | SynrG | gr8: at boot time, if you wanted to install, you could select the "Install" menu entry. this is the best option. if you don't choose that option, you need to be in 486 for the installer to work ... |
| 10:43.09 | tremon | eristisk: when you're using pulseaudio, sound is already broken across the system except for the logged-in user ;) |
| 10:43.13 | Walex | gr8: if your CPU is actually 486 you need to do the install 486 throughout, but there ia problem with that. |
| 10:43.28 | eristisk | tremon: Okay well I am logged in and it is still broken |
| 10:43.29 | SynrG | gr8: because the installer includes the 486 kernel. |
| 10:43.35 | tremon | eristisk: for pulseaudio logs, check ~/.xsession-errors or run pulseaudio -vvv in a terminal |
| 10:43.35 | Walex | eristisk: just switch to 'systemd' already :-) |
| 10:43.43 | eristisk | It died, systemctl start pulseaudio does not start it again. |
| 10:43.58 | SynrG | gr8: and as i said, it doesn't overly matter whether the installer uses the 486 kernel or 686. when it runs, it will install the correct kernel for your hardware. |
| 10:44.17 | Walex | eristisk: ahhhh so you are using 'testing' or 'unstable' packages most likely... |
| 10:44.34 | SynrG | gr8: so your options are, to recap: boot "Install", boot "486" and use the desktop installer. the first option is more reliable/better tested. |
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| 10:44.50 | tremon | eristisk: pulseaudio isn't designed to run as a system service, so systemctl start won't do (shouldn't do) anything |
| 10:45.02 | gr8 | SynrG: right. I guess I can use the Graphical install as well, that's what I'll do |
| 10:45.25 | eristisk | tremon: Okay so what is the best way to start it up after it just disappears? |
| 10:46.04 | Walex | eristisk: PulseAudio can run in per-"system" or per-"user" mode and there are problems with running in per-"system" mode. It is really designed to run as a per-user daemon. |
| 10:46.21 | tremon | eristisk: gnome-session should restart pulseaudio automatically. Other than that, I guess running pulseaudio from a terminal should work |
| 10:46.44 | Walex | eristisk: if it does not start perhaps it cannot find the audio etc. As others have said you need to run it in the foreground and with verbose messages to figure out what breaks it. |
| 10:46.46 | eristisk | tremon: I am using KDE |
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| 10:47.44 | Walex | eristisk: first check whether it is already running for some other user... |
| 10:48.02 | Walex | eristisk: if your audio is not setup for sharing that will cause problems. |
| 10:48.28 | eristisk | https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5225649 |
| 10:48.45 | Walex | eristisk: but the big question is: have you got any 'testing' or 'unstable' packages installed? |
| 10:48.48 | eristisk | Walex: It is not running for any other user, it just dies |
| 10:48.54 | eristisk | Walex: I run sid |
| 10:49.04 | Walex | eristisk: then this is the wrong channel. |
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| 10:49.49 | tremon | eristisk: I don't see pulseaudio crashing in the last few lines (other than vlc disconnecting). Is the daemon still running? |
| 10:49.54 | Walex | eristisk: because 'unstable' packages may have issues that are known only to people who are very familiar with it. |
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| 10:50.21 | eristisk | Walex: No it's not, I give support to other sid users and receive support from others in this channel for years |
| 10:50.39 | Walex | eristisk: as the /topic says you need to go to #Debian on OFTC/irc.debian.net |
| 10:50.43 | Walex | eristisk: as the /topic says you need to go to #Debian on OFTC/irc.debian.org |
| 10:50.53 | Walex | eristisk: as the /topic says you need to go to #Debian-next on OFTC/irc.debian.org |
| 10:51.29 | eristisk | tremon: Yes it is still running, it doesn't crash when I start or kill VLC, but I hear no audio! |
| 10:51.57 | jasabella | Walex... how do i set debian up so that other computers on the network can see the debian box by name? |
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| 10:53.02 | SynrG | jasabella: am i to assume "other computers on the network" are running some other OS? |
| 10:53.04 | jasabella | i have an ubuntu box on the same network which my windows computer can look up by name |
| 10:53.05 | tremon | ok, that's quite a different situation. Pulseaudio is defaulting to the null-sink, that means it failed to open or detect any other sound sources |
| 10:53.15 | SynrG | jasabella: samba provides that |
| 10:53.15 | jasabella | yea they are |
| 10:53.16 | Walex | jasabella: there are two ways: you register the name in a DNS server used by the other computers or if the other computers use some kind of zeroconf/broadcast DNS service you run the same on Debian, e.g. avahi |
| 10:53.40 | jasabella | hmmm |
| 10:53.48 | tremon | or run nmbd from the samba package |
| 10:54.07 | Walex | tremon: only if the broadcast DNS service happens to be netbios |
| 10:54.10 | eristisk | tremon: Yeah KDE also complained about missing sound device via GUI |
| 10:54.18 | jasabella | hmmmm |
| 10:54.48 | SynrG | jasabella: if your end goal is to make filesystems on your system browsable to your windows system, it's a bit more than just nmbd |
| 10:55.15 | Walex | eristisk: if you can;t figure out something as trivial as PulseAudio logs only mentioning the null device and no ALSA device perhaps you should not be running an 'unstable' archive based distribution that you have built yourself. |
| 10:55.28 | jasabella | oh i dont want samba :) |
| 10:55.39 | jasabella | so i guess i'll have to run a dns server then |
| 10:55.44 | jasabella | was hopingto have to avoid settingoneup |
| 10:55.53 | jasabella | bind or dnsmasq i suppose |
| 10:55.59 | jasabella | powerdns is overkill :D |
| 10:56.07 | tremon | eristisk: the only "interesting" things I see in the logs are lines 95-99, ie "found 1 card -- card0 is busy: yes" |
| 10:56.07 | jasabella | probably bind too |
| 10:56.08 | Walex | jasabella: if your other computers are not too many you can add the name to the local 'hosts' or 'lmhosts' file. |
| 10:56.23 | jasabella | yea i dont to have to maintain that :) |
| 10:56.51 | Walex | jasabella: MS-Windows does support Avahi/Zeroconf |
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| 10:57.33 | tremon | jasabella: if your dhcp server is your router, chances are it already runs a dns server as well. It might be as simple as adding send host-name to dhclient.conf |
| 10:57.46 | eristisk | Walex: If you have nothing constructive to say other than spamming other channel names 3 times and shitting on peoples' intellect, then maybe you should just talk to other people and let me have my helpful conversation with others, thanks. |
| 10:58.21 | eristisk | tremon: I think that is the problem. PA died but Kdenlive is still open (rendering a video) so I bet I have to kill Kdenlive and start PA when nothing is using the ALSA card |
| 10:58.26 | jasabella | tremon... i cant get into the busybox without installing a custom firmware i suppose |
| 10:58.32 | eristisk | tremon: Thanks for the help! |
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| 10:59.25 | tremon | jasabella: just to be clear, I meant editing dhclient.conf on the debian machine, not the router |
| 10:59.51 | jasabella | oh |
| 10:59.53 | Walex | eristisk: pointinfg out that you are offtopic on the channel is ontopic. |
| 10:59.59 | jasabella | i did |
| 11:00.08 | jasabella | i setit to send host-name 'foo' |
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| 11:00.40 | Walex | eristisk: and a person with a bad attitidue like yours does not deserve a lot of help. |
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| 11:01.06 | Walex | jasabella: and how would the other hosts know that 'foo' has that address... |
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| 11:01.43 | tremon | jasabella: if that's literally what you put there, use double quotes (") and add a semicolon at the end |
| 11:01.59 | jasabella | they would ask my router/dns server for the ip address for the box's name hmmm |
| 11:02.07 | jasabella | yeah i put it indouble quotes and semicolon is there\ |
| 11:02.13 | tremon | good :) |
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| 11:02.27 | Walex | jasabella: if they are so configured, and the router DNS side is integrated with the DHCP side. |
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| 11:03.08 | jasabella | i tried restarting the router and debian alaready |
| 11:03.13 | Walex | jasabella: then you already have a DNS server. You may be lucky that way, or your router may be like many cheap routers and DNS only does resolving. |
| 11:03.51 | tremon | jasabella: no need to restart the router, you didn't change it :) |
| 11:04.38 | Walex | jasabella: reading the manual for the router may be useful :-). |
| 11:05.13 | tremon | has never got any useful information from a CPE manual |
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| 11:06.16 | jasabella | i been thru the LAN setup page of the router heh |
| 11:06.18 | jasabella | thx anyways |
| 11:06.51 | Walex | jasabella: the '.local' domain that you may be seeing is done by Avahi/mDNS usually |
| 11:07.14 | jasabella | hmmm avahi is installed on ubuntu |
| 11:07.20 | tremon | jasabella: if it still doesn't work, comparing the debian setup with ubuntu's may be useful. Check dhclient, avahi and samba settings |
| 11:07.24 | Walex | jasabella: https://wiki.debian.org/ZeroConf |
| 11:07.34 | jasabella | i dont have samba or avahi installed on debian |
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| 11:09.49 | jerc | isn't this the thing where you change the name resolve order in smb.conf |
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| 11:19.08 | JustSighDudes | J/joiust started reading about xen. I'm kind of confused. Is my debian dom0 usable? Or does it just act like a host and if I needed to use debian I have to/should install a guest? |
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| 11:24.47 | Walex | JustSighDudes: your Dom0 is a full OS, but then why run Xen at all if you are going to use Dom0? |
| 11:25.22 | Walex | JustSighDudes: if all you want is a normal systema and some occasional VMs consider the ancient but still very good UML. |
| 11:25.34 | Walex | that is, paravirtualized VMs. |
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| 11:30.17 | JustSighDudes | Walex: Need vga passthrough in linux. Got rid of everything except my video editing software. |
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| 11:31.05 | wols | JustSighDudes: why do you want a VM? |
| 11:31.16 | Walex | JustSighDudes: bizarre way of doing it. |
| 11:31.17 | wols | and for passthrough, kvm is used nowadays |
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| 11:32.02 | Walex | JustSighDudes: Xen is good, but in general I think that the common choice is between UML and KVM (possibly paravirtualized too). |
| 11:32.27 | Walex | and as <wols> notes KVM does passthrough too and the host system is Linux itself. |
| 11:32.48 | wols | JustSighDudes: what cpu and mainboard do you have? |
| 11:34.13 | extensag | i want to create/code a multiboot live usb creator from scratch, any guidance? :p |
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| 11:49.58 | Walex | extensag: don't do it from scratch :-) |
| 11:50.13 | Walex | extensag: look at several others... |
| 11:50.20 | extensag | Walex, i meant coding some kind of script that acts as a live usb creator |
| 11:50.28 | extensag | not a fancy software |
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| 11:50.49 | extensag | someone before told me that he coded a script for that and didn't bother looking for dedicated softwares, so i wanted to code mine, you know.. |
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| 11:51.55 | frostschutz | why code anything? just share the iso |
| 11:52.22 | extensag | frostschutz, come on..i'm trying to learn and be creative here :P |
| 11:52.39 | Walex | extensag: stand on the shoulders of giant geeks :-) |
| 11:52.46 | frostschutz | extensag, mine looks like this http://bpaste.net/show/295139/ |
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| 11:53.13 | extensag | frostschutz, ah alright..maybe you were the guy that told me this before |
| 11:53.15 | jasabella | what windowing system do yo uguys use? |
| 11:53.19 | jasabella | cinnamon? |
| 11:53.40 | extensag | jasabella, kde |
| 11:53.50 | Walex | jasabella: that's not a windowing system, that's a desktop environment. |
| 11:54.17 | Walex | jasabella: the windowing systems available on GNU/Linux systems are MGR, X11, Wayland and Mir. |
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| 11:55.03 | Walex | jasabella: and a few others (a console one, and a framebuffer one for example). |
| 11:55.23 | jasabella | oh oops yea desktop environment :D |
| 11:55.24 | jasabella | oops! |
| 11:55.34 | jasabella | sorry |
| 11:55.38 | Walex | jasabella: for desktop environments I use KDE, and sometimes whatever under FVWM2 as the window manager. |
| 11:56.11 | jasabella | kde is better with a video card right? |
| 11:56.22 | jasabella | it's so slow on my old desktopp |
| 11:57.18 | Walex | jasabella: KDE graphics are slow if you enable fancy effects that require OpenGL or RENDER acceleration |
| 11:57.26 | jasabella | ahhh |
| 11:57.31 | Walex | jasabella: otherwise it just takes a lot of CPU |
| 11:57.35 | jmcnaught | jasabella: debian has some alternatives to KDE that are a little lighter. xfce4 and LXDE are pretty useful on older computers |
| 11:57.38 | Walex | jasabella: otherwise it just takes a lot of RAM RAM, RAM. |
| 11:57.40 | JustSighDudes | walo: they support all vt extensions (re: mobo and cpu) |
| 11:58.02 | jasabella | i have 4gb of ram |
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| 11:59.03 | Walex | jasabella: you can disable the fancy graphics in KDE with SHIFT-ALT-F12 |
| 11:59.14 | Walex | jasabella: 4GB is good for KDE |
| 11:59.21 | jmcnaught | JustSighDudes: I'm jealous. I wish my motherboard had IOMMU support. My laptop does, but it's not really quite as useful there. The only time I used it was to test Qubes OS (which isolates network interface to its own VM). In general though I found KVM a lot easier to get started with than Xen |
| 12:00.45 | jasabella | kde reports only 3gb though even though i have 64bit OS installed :/) |
| 12:01.07 | Walex | jasabella: uhmmmm that's a bit of bad news. |
| 12:01.19 | jasabella | dead ram stick? |
| 12:01.23 | Walex | jasabella: what does 'free' (command line) say? |
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| 12:02.10 | jasabella | 3001 free -m reports |
| 12:03.05 | Walex | jasabella: do 'pastebinit /proc/meminfo' |
| 12:03.21 | frostschutz | jasabella, uname -a? |
| 12:03.51 | jasabella | it's x86_64 :) |
| 12:04.05 | jelly-home | jasabella: show the actual output of uname -a, please |
| 12:04.21 | Walex | jasabella: also you can see which sticks have what with 'sudo dmidecode | less' and looking for "System Memory |
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| 12:04.54 | jasabella | Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:05.03 | jelly-home | jasabella: x86_64 you say? |
| 12:05.14 | jasabella | that's not the same? |
| 12:05.18 | Walex | jasabella: :-) |
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| 12:05.42 | jasabella | oh |
| 12:05.44 | jasabella | oops! |
| 12:05.46 | frostschutz | you have 32bits there, maybe the other 32bits fell off in the early summer heat |
| 12:05.48 | jelly-home | that's a 32bit installation. Nevertheless, that kernel ought to see full 4GB |
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| 12:05.55 | jasabella | ya it's pae hmm |
| 12:06.11 | Walex | jasabella: pastebinit /proc/meminfo |
| 12:06.28 | frostschutz | maybe someone stole your high end hardware and put old stuff in its place. if you have siblings, they tend to do that sometimes |
| 12:06.37 | jasabella | lol |
| 12:06.41 | Walex | jasabella: then the question is whether your CPU supports PAE. most do. |
| 12:06.56 | jelly-home | Walex: the kernel would not boot in that case. |
| 12:07.14 | Walex | jelly-home: can't remember... |
| 12:07.28 | wols | jelly-home: aren't there CPUs with NX and without PAE? |
| 12:08.05 | Walex | kernels can be built with a few strange combinations. |
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| 12:10.10 | malmelmil | Hello, the laptop I am looking to buy has an Nvidia Geforce GT 720M, about which I find not very detailed or complete and ambigous info on its compatibility with wheezy, although Nvidia provides a driver; see i.e. "the latest nvidia package available on wheezy (304.88) is not compatible with my GPU. There seems to be a compatible version (331.38) in experimental, but I was having a bit of trouble getting it to install." as found here htt |
| 12:10.12 | malmelmil | p://superuser.com/questions/710564/gt-720m-optimus-display-driver-setup-crunchbang-waldorf-debian-wheezy |
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| 12:12.00 | malmelmil | my question is basically if the card is or is not compatible with wheezy, and if extra steps need to be taken in order for it to work properly, thank you. This is a question related to a hardware I do not yet own, and that I am checking thoroughly before buying for compatibiliy, thanks. |
| 12:12.21 | Walex | malmelmil: I advise large amounts of prayers and lambs sacrificed to the dark gods. |
| 12:13.01 | jerc | all optimus cards need this if you cant manually choose cards in BIOS |
| 12:13.02 | jerc | http://bumblebee-project.org/ |
| 12:13.13 | Walex | malmelmil: your question looks to me of the sort "I want to cause myself a lot of trouble: should I go ahead?" |
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| 12:13.20 | malmelmil | I've already killed a few chickens and my hands smell of the rotten flesh of primordial gods unknown to modern humanity |
| 12:13.51 | malmelmil | thanks jerc, ok bumlebee, but Walex, you really mean this is real trouble, don't you ? |
| 12:14.59 | Walex | malmelmil: it could be as easy as get the 'exoperimental' package source, rebuild, it "just works" with 'bumblebee'. |
| 12:15.26 | malmelmil | the commas in "just works" scare me |
| 12:15.57 | Walex | malmelmil: "it could be as easy as". Asylums are full of people who believed that :-) |
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| 12:16.17 | jasabella | /proc/meminfo http://pastebin.com/atQpkNMQ and dmidecode http://pastebin.com/T2zUD8yU |
| 12:16.24 | Walex | malmelmil: what could possibly go wrong? :-) |
| 12:16.56 | Walex | malmelmil: my overall impression is that it is probably doable, but it might require quite a bit of time and skill. |
| 12:17.39 | malmelmil | Is there a good known source of detailed info on optimus and linux debian that you remember atm? I do not fully understand what does jerc means when talking about choosing cards in BIOS, maybe s/he is suggesting that I should deactivate the dedicated card and run whatever else is left OR bumblebee and asylum as you, Walex, suggests ? |
| 12:17.40 | Walex | jasabella: the 'meminfo' is indeed 3GiB |
| 12:17.49 | wols | malmelmil: optimus is shit, or really bad shit, depending on how the manufacturer implemented it. with consumer laptops, especially with such a cheap nvidia gpu, it's of the really bad shit variety |
| 12:18.06 | malmelmil | oh, that's great :/ |
| 12:18.16 | wols | malmelmil: sometimes you can disable one card in bios which makes it easier to use the hardware |
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| 12:19.07 | jerc | optimus is shit. bumblebee allows you to run certain applications utilizing your nvidia card |
| 12:19.12 | wols | malmelmil: and I strongly suggest you use jessie for optimus hardware. it's a work in progress and you best use all progess made so far for it, not wheezy which is now quite old |
| 12:19.42 | jerc | better solution honestly is hope and pray that you can turn off one of the cards in BIOS to avoid the issue all together |
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| 12:20.25 | malmelmil | I see, in that case I may be wanting to look for another laptop |
| 12:21.01 | Walex | jasabella: still looking at dmidecode... |
| 12:21.03 | jerc | i think the syntax was "optirun mpv file.xxx" to play a file using mpv |
| 12:21.18 | jerc | and nvidia graphics card |
| 12:21.43 | malmelmil | this was a bargain for a so-called "ultrabook" with a 500gb HD and a 20gb SSD, i5, 8GB RAM, sd card reader, usb 3 , hdmi, webcam, wifi and bluetooth (hopefully) blabla |
| 12:22.04 | malmelmil | As seen here http://www.aceronline.es/acer-aspire-v7-581g-53338g52akk-nx-ma6eb-002.html |
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| 12:23.03 | jerc | optimus = windows machine |
| 12:23.34 | jasabella | i did upgrade from 1gb to 4gb of ram after the OS was installed |
| 12:23.36 | jasabella | iif that helps |
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| 12:24.38 | jasabella | maybe it's just a bios bug :/ like here http://askubuntu.com/questions/167042/64-bit-and-32-bit-12-04-report-1gb-less-ram |
| 12:25.12 | jmcnaught | malmelmil: you could google around for the user manual for that laptop to see if it mentions whether the BIOS lets you disable one of the cards |
| 12:25.44 | Walex | jasabella: you have 8x 512M modules on an old P4 system which claims to support PAE. The Linux kernel uses the BIOS map, but it should be possible to override that. |
| 12:26.02 | Walex | jasabella: it may be a BIOS setting, apart from a BIOS bug. |
| 12:26.31 | jasabella | hmm |
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| 12:27.24 | Walex | jasabella: the last comment on that report is your best bet. |
| 12:27.42 | Walex | the BIOS may initialize the memory map "wrong". |
| 12:27.59 | jasabella | i haavent seen any memory map relevant |
| 12:28.03 | jasabella | er bios setting |
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| 12:28.22 | Walex | jasabella: perhaps you could find a video card that maps in a different area |
| 12:28.58 | jasabella | hmmm |
| 12:29.21 | Walex | jasabella: try the option to clear ESD for example |
| 12:29.30 | Walex | jasabella: try the option to clear ESCD for example |
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| 12:30.41 | jasabella | hmm |
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| 12:31.11 | JustSighDudes | Walex, wols: So why KVM over xen? |
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| 12:31.50 | jasabella | brb, ducking into bios :) |
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| 12:33.20 | squidlord | hello, I've got an unbootable system here (can boot from another, working system on usb). |
| 12:33.42 | squidlord | but grub-probe always gives me unknown filesystem |
| 12:34.03 | squidlord | system is on raid - is not the first time and always worked. |
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| 12:34.16 | squidlord | (mdraid, I mean) |
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| 12:35.39 | squidlord | oh |
| 12:35.43 | squidlord | just worked. |
| 12:35.48 | Walex | JustSighDudes: Xen works well, KVM works well. The hypervisor for Xen is some weird stuff and it needs to be complemented by a Dom0 kernel, the hypervisor for KVM is Linux. |
| 12:36.29 | Walex | BTW the "weird stuff" is a Linux derivative.... |
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| 12:50.09 | multi_io | what's the policy for the /usr/lib/mesa-diverted directory? |
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| 12:51.08 | multi_io | there are GL libraries in there, some 32-bit ones in my case, which regularly installed 32-bit packages like acroread need and can't find because the directory isn't in the dynamic linker's path. |
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| 12:51.43 | multi_io | is this a bug in the acroread package? |
| 12:52.19 | multi_io | are applications supposed to add this to the linker PATH via LD_LIBRARY_PATH in a start script? |
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| 12:56.55 | abrotman | multi_io: acroread isn't in Debian .. What distro are you using? |
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| 13:10.01 | multi_io | abrotman: I got it from the www.deb-multimedia.org package source |
| 13:10.13 | multi_io | (i.e. acroread) |
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| 13:10.55 | multi_io | distro is debian (testing) |
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| 13:12.58 | abrotman | multi_io: so how would we know if it's broken? |
| 13:13.16 | multi_io | the /usr/lib/mesa-diverted thing is apparently set up by the glx-diversions package, which is part of Debian |
| 13:13.50 | multi_io | so my question about how this directory is supposed to be used still applies, AFAICS |
| 13:13.53 | abrotman | and that's related to acroread? |
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| 13:15.16 | multi_io | my question wasn't really about acroread |
| 13:15.50 | multi_io | my question is: what's the (Debian) policy for the /usr/lib/mesa-diverted directory? |
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| 13:16.19 | multi_io | i.e. how are packages supposed to handle it |
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| 13:19.39 | abrotman | multi_io: Are you creating a package? I would imagine that directory is for when you install nvidia/fglrx and it wants to do diverted files ? |
| 13:20.13 | abrotman | I have no such directory on my system |
| 13:20.28 | abrotman | and I do have mesa packages installed |
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| 13:21.09 | jmcnaught | multi_io: yeah that directory looks like a place to stash (divert) libraries that proprietary drivers want to overwrite... i don't think it's supposed to be in any system paths |
| 13:21.34 | multi_io | abrotman: do you also have hardware-accelerated version of the libGL* libraries? |
| 13:21.57 | multi_io | because apparently only then the diversions occur |
| 13:22.36 | wols | abrotman: the diversions is due to nvidia/fglrx. and we all know you don't do those :P |
| 13:22.41 | multi_io | abrotman: no, I'm not trying to create a package, I'm just trying to find out how to best get acroread running again |
| 13:22.57 | abrotman | multi_io: I don't hvae nvidia/fglrx drivers .. |
| 13:22.59 | multi_io | jmcnaught: ok |
| 13:23.36 | jmcnaught | multi_io: replace it with evince/okular/pdf.js in iceweasel? myself I'm pretty grateful that i don't need acrobat on my computer |
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| 13:34.22 | GT2908927 | Hello. Is there a way to make 5 physical servers act as one using debian? |
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| 13:36.00 | abrotman | which type of server? |
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| 13:37.09 | n-st | who in here is using the 3.14 kernel from wheezy-backports (linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64)? |
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| 13:37.44 | multi_io | jmcnaught: I'll probably do that |
| 13:38.01 | abrotman | n-st: you? Are you having a problem with it? |
| 13:38.15 | n-st | abrotman: yes, sort of. it doesn't boot at all. :) |
| 13:38.20 | Cpuroast | fun :) |
| 13:38.28 | abrotman | n-st: then please say that .. |
| 13:38.33 | multi_io | still I though it wouldn't help to learn something new :P |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | n-st: how did oyu install it? |
| 13:38.34 | GT2908927 | 5 HP Proliant, tower servers |
| 13:38.53 | abrotman | GT2908927: no, what type of server? file storage? web server? NTP server? |
| 13:39.04 | n-st | abrotman: i already filed a bug report and am considering marking it as "grave" that would however require it to be broken in general, not just for me and the other guy who amended the report. |
| 13:39.15 | n-st | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=748805 |
| 13:39.19 | abrotman | n-st: can you boot your old kernel? how did you install the bpo kernel? |
| 13:40.38 | abrotman | n-st: you have a BTRFS parition? |
| 13:40.44 | n-st | abrotman: yes, 3.2 (pre-installed) and 3.13 (installed explicitly via apt) work. `apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image-amd64`, which then installed 3.14 as a requirement |
| 13:40.49 | n-st | yes. |
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| 13:41.05 | abrotman | also, i doubt "linux-headers" is a bootable kernel |
| 13:41.32 | n-st | did i say headers anymore? must've been a mistake... |
| 13:41.59 | abrotman | When the 3.14 kernel failed to boot, I installed |
| 13:42.00 | abrotman | linux-headers-3.13-0.bpo.1-amd64 instead, which has been booting and |
| 13:42.01 | abrotman | working without issues for a few days now. |
| 13:42.17 | n-st | oops. |
| 13:42.35 | n-st | i did of course install linux-image-3.13 |
| 13:42.39 | jmcnaught | multi_io: most of the time i just use pdf.js in iceweasel and can't really recall any files not rendering properly (some might have been a little slow). I did have problems with some PDF tax forms in Evince once, but they worked just fine in Okular (which is probably the most featureful PDF viewer in debian) |
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| 13:44.19 | GT2908927 | for now, i haven't installed them yet, but they will be running web, database, dns, and, probably other ones... |
| 13:45.42 | n-st | abrotman: so, would it be appropriate to increase the severity of the bug report? |
| 13:45.59 | n-st | after all, it did make my system temporarily unsuable |
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| 13:46.30 | n-st | s/unsu/unus/ must be the headache
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| 13:46.32 | jmcnaught | GT2908927: i don't think it's really possible to have multiple computers working in unison as a single computer at the OS level. But for the various services you want to run there are options. For example web servers you could do a reverse proxy using something like haproxy |
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| 13:48.39 | abrotman | n-st: probably not .. it only affects those with btrfs partitions |
| 13:50.12 | abrotman | GT2908927: this stuff is pretty well known, VIP, LBs, HA software |
| 13:50.50 | n-st | abrotman: are you sure? Lou Poppler doesn't say anything about using btrfs
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| 13:52.10 | n-st | his/her problem seems different though, since the system hangs before trying to load the kernel modules |
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| 13:53.06 | abrotman | n-st: his doesn't even get that far .. right, different problem |
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| 13:54.49 | n-st | abrotman: i've got a fresh vm with an ext4 rootfs let's see if 3.14 works on that one |
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| 14:00.27 | GT2908927 | abrotman i'm kind of new to this, i use debian for personal stuff only, and this is the first time i'll have to manage it in a corp net |
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| 14:01.37 | abrotman | GT2908927: ok so which part would oyu like to focus on? |
| 14:01.40 | GT2908927 | abrotman VIP for Virtual IP, HA high availability, but i can't find the meaning of LBs |
| 14:01.54 | abrotman | Load Balancer |
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| 14:03.01 | GT2908927 | abrotman okay, thank you... i'm going to look these up |
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| 14:03.08 | GT2908927 | abrotman thank you very much |
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| 14:04.44 | n-st | abrotman: the ext4 system works with the 3.14 kernel. i'll update my bugreport. |
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| 14:14.32 | Aspi | how can I quickly check if I have the correct password for an user? sounds very suspicious, but I need a way to check if root's password is "root" (unchanged), and will then enforce changing password. so it's better than you feared :) |
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| 14:16.46 | abrotman | Aspi: ask #bash about using expect |
| 14:18.06 | Aspi | I was just at #bash, was sent somewhere else -.- |
| 14:18.51 | abrotman | Well, I've given you enough to google, good luck |
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| 14:19.42 | themill | Aspi: extract the hashed password from /etc/shadow and then use a wrapper to crypt(3) to see if the hash (including the particular salt) matches. It would be much easier to do in perl or python than in bash |
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| 14:21.00 | Aspi | ^requires root. so, I'm trying "echo $pass | sudo --stdin false" and reading $?, but it still asks about my password |
| 14:21.06 | Aspi | any experience here? |
| 14:21.23 | themill | if you can't run this check as root, you shouldn't be running it |
| 14:23.29 | n-st | Aspi: sudo doesn't ask for root's password anyway and you want to check that, not the current user's password, right? |
| 14:23.30 | Aspi | themill: how come? I could be wanting to check if I have the right password for a user as well. if it really is so simple to break that the question should not be asked, I fear for my Linux security. just to clear any doubts about my intentions :) |
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| 14:23.47 | Aspi | n-st: my bad, you're correct |
| 14:24.11 | n-st | Aspi: so you will need su instead |
| 14:24.28 | Aspi | n-st: and it doesn't read from stdin |
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| 14:27.07 | themill | Aspi: you don't wander round your neighbours houses checking to see if your keys happen to open their doors. |
| 14:27.31 | Aspi | in computer world, that is completely fine :) |
| 14:27.36 | themill | if you should be doing this, then it's easy to do. |
| 14:28.11 | Aspi | I'm relatively fresh to GNU, that's why. |
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| 14:28.32 | Aspi | I'm close. su /does/ read from stdin. "echo $pass | su true" yields 0 if the pass is correct |
| 14:28.52 | abrotman | Aspi: Ask your admin what the password is |
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| 14:29.28 | Aspi | OP: the password of root is root. I want to check if the password still is root, so I can force the user to change if she has not yet |
| 14:29.43 | abrotman | Aspi: I already told you how to do that .. |
| 14:29.45 | Aspi | because I'm creating an installer for an application, targeting a fresh OS |
| 14:29.52 | abrotman | Aspi: Which OS is this? |
| 14:29.57 | Aspi | okay, I'll look it up |
| 14:29.58 | Aspi | arch |
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| 14:36.31 | abrotman | n-st: Please don't msg me, and yes. It was intentional |
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| 14:38.29 | n-st | abrotman: i wasn't asking if the ban was intentional, but if it was necessary. lack of knowledge (i.e., not being able to tell debian and arch apart) shouldn't be a reason to ban someone. |
| 14:39.01 | abrotman | I didn't say my ban was intentional .. I said his actions were. End of discussion. |
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| 14:41.18 | skilz | Hi folks, I just changed from card from a radeon to a Nvidia GTX 770, how do I uninstall ati drivers and install nvidia drivers? |
| 14:41.32 | abrotman | How did you install fglrx to begin with? |
| 14:41.34 | skilz | I want full use of the card, 3d acceleration etc. |
| 14:41.58 | skilz | abrotman, free driver. |
| 14:42.14 | wols | skilz: so no flgrx is installed at all? |
| 14:42.27 | wols | *fglrx |
| 14:42.32 | skilz | Hmm, not too sure. Is that the 3d driver? |
| 14:42.39 | skilz | Let me check xorg.log |
| 14:42.44 | wols | fglrx is the proprietary driver from amd |
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| 14:43.03 | skilz | Nope not proprietary, only free driver |
| 14:43.12 | abrotman | then you don't have to do anytihng, just install the nvidia binary blob |
| 14:43.18 | wols | and you want a free driver for the nvidia card or a proprietary one? |
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| 14:43.58 | skilz | http://paste.debian.net/101563/ |
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| 14:44.27 | skilz | Well what is the difference besides the obvious one of being free vs proprietary? |
| 14:44.30 | wols | you already run nouveau |
| 14:44.42 | skilz | So xorg picked it up? |
| 14:44.43 | wols | proprietary ones are faster in 3D programs |
| 14:45.02 | skilz | Ok, I would like to install proprietary |
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| 14:46.15 | wols | !tell skilz about nvidia dkms |
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| 14:48.34 | hell | hello. |
| 14:48.51 | hell | how can i switch off *censored* systemd? |
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| 14:49.22 | themill | with the power button on your machine. |
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| 14:49.29 | hell | or some shit called Modem Manager at first |
| 14:49.50 | themill | perhaps you'd like to start again. |
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| 14:50.31 | hell | http://pastebin.com/pWW0pc8A - i want just a ttyUSB0 |
| 14:50.51 | ctmjr | skilz: that card is newer than the 304 driver in wheezy you need to install the kernel and driver from backports |
| 14:50.52 | hell | no mtp_probe, no modemmanager |
| 14:50.58 | skilz | mkdir: cannot create directory `/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d': File exists |
| 14:50.58 | skilz | bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: Permission denied |
| 14:51.03 | centrx | hell, Are you using sid/unstable, or did you choose to install systemd on wheezy/stable? |
| 14:51.08 | hell | sid |
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| 14:51.13 | skilz | I got that error at the end of the the command |
| 14:51.15 | abrotman | skilz: you have to do it as root? |
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| 14:51.21 | skilz | I don't sudo |
| 14:51.23 | ctmjr | dpkg: tell skilz about bpo |
| 14:51.33 | abrotman | skilz: do it as root |
| 14:51.44 | hell | i don't choose systemd, it replace sysinit silently( |
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| 14:51.48 | skilz | ok |
| 14:51.56 | abrotman | hell: it did not, you were aware it was being installed |
| 14:52.07 | abrotman | or told, perhaps you didn't read |
| 14:52.37 | skilz | abrotman, Still got the same error :/ |
| 14:53.14 | hell | abrotman: no, i say apt-get dist-upgrade and got a systemd system |
| 14:53.30 | hell | but what can i do now? |
| 14:53.32 | skilz | Can I download the driver from the nvidia site? |
| 14:53.33 | themill | hell: that's not the same as not being asked. |
| 14:54.03 | abrotman | skilz: do not do that |
| 14:54.10 | abrotman | skilz: you're doing something wrong .. show us in a pastebin |
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| 14:54.34 | hell | themill: i got a segfault on systemd dependency, so i install sysv package by hands, that do dist-upgrade and got systemd. well done. |
| 14:54.43 | abrotman | hell: right, it told you |
| 14:54.52 | hell | ok, what next |
| 14:54.52 | themill | hell: that makes no sense at all |
| 14:55.00 | abrotman | hell: learn how to use systemd? |
| 14:55.17 | hell | i dont want to use this piece of shit anymore |
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| 14:55.59 | skilz | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/101570/ |
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| 14:56.58 | abrotman | that was easy .. |
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| 14:57.31 | abrotman | skilz: so stop trying to create a directory that exists .. |
| 14:57.47 | skilz | SO just ignore the error and reboot? |
| 14:58.05 | abrotman | skilz: check tosee if the file you tried to create exists |
| 14:58.37 | skilz | can I delete it |
| 14:58.40 | skilz | then do the command? |
| 14:58.42 | abrotman | why would you delete it? |
| 14:58.49 | abrotman | Do you understand what you're doing? |
| 14:58.55 | skilz | So it doesn't exist |
| 14:59.00 | skilz | and the command can create it? |
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| 14:59.12 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 14:59.16 | abrotman | Did you even read the error? |
| 14:59.16 | skilz | :/ |
| 14:59.27 | abrotman | did you read any of the questions I asked? |
| 14:59.33 | skilz | Yep |
| 14:59.44 | themill | skilz: perhaps changing the command to not try creating the directory that already exists would be easier |
| 15:00.03 | abrotman | He read them, didn't understand them ... |
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| 15:06.38 | malmelmil | HEllo, I am about to buy a laptop and I am checking for compatibility. The wifi/bluetooth is ar5b22 (atheros) and I can't seem to find solid info on how does it behave under debian. I found frequent disconnections under other distros on some cases (oct 2013 post) ; bluetooth problems on other computers, etc. but can't seem to find anything else. Can anyone confirm problems/compatibility with ar5b22 please? thank you |
| 15:06.56 | malmelmil | the laptop I am checkin is Acer Aspire V7 as seen here http://www.aceronline.es/acer-aspire-v7-581g-53338g52akk-nx-ma6eb-002.html |
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| 15:08.04 | kimspindel | hello, I'm on sid and after an apt-get update/upgrade I've gotten segfaults when I try to do various apt-get commands, like -f install |
| 15:08.12 | kimspindel | any ideas on what would be causing this? |
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| 15:11.18 | ctmjr | kimspindel: ask in debian-next on the oftc network that is the testing/unstable channel |
| 15:11.44 | kimspindel | okay, thanks |
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| 16:07.08 | zh1 | feeling my debian bit slow |
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| 16:08.18 | centrx | zh1, Did you change any settings or something recently? |
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| 16:09.16 | zh1 | no |
| 16:10.05 | centrx | zh1, You can use top to see what is using the CPU, by default it is ordered by CPU usage |
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| 16:10.45 | centrx | zh1, also check the second line of the output of "free" to make sure something hasn't used up all the RAM for some reason |
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| 16:11.18 | zh1 | doesnt go over 5% cpu usage |
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| 16:11.57 | zh1 | my chromes taking almost 1gb ram |
| 16:13.01 | centrx | zh1, How much "free" RAM do you have in the second row, second data column |
| 16:13.08 | centrx | e.g. -/+ buffers/cache: 501836 7580404 |
| 16:14.15 | centrx | zh1, You can use the chromium URL about:memory to see what tab(s) are using the RAM, or just close all the tabs and restart chromium |
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| 16:17.09 | SE3CKOR | I screwed up my Debian and now my gnome3 terminal won't register Shift+up or down in Midnight Commander which makes selecting a PITA. These keys work OK if I Ctrl-Alt F1 and sign in there. I know this works good on a default Debian install because I did one a few days ago on another PC. I did play around with terminals a while ago trying to fix some broken keyboard shortcuts in emacs. Any idea what I screwed up? |
| 16:18.00 | zh1 | centrx, http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_from_2014-05-24_17_11_42-vWAEdQr8.1400948238.png too much? |
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| 16:18.52 | centrx | zh1, chrome and firefox do tend to take up a lot of RAM, but it shouldn't be this much |
| 16:18.53 | shingouz | SE3CKOR: you can only try to figure out what you did before it stopped working as planned. check your .bash_history for clues to begin with |
| 16:19.18 | centrx | zh1, Also, I would recommend uninstalling the Google chrome, and installing the Debian package chromium (it is kept up to date on stable) |
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| 16:19.32 | zh1 | have that one too |
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| 16:20.10 | shingouz | SE3CKOR: also, /var/log/apt/history.log should provide additional clues |
| 16:21.03 | SE3CKOR | Thanks shingouz! Will give that a go |
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| 16:21.36 | zh1 | centrx, itschrome for sure with all syncs and tab sync |
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| 16:22.33 | shingouz | SE3CKOR: point is, first you need to figure out what happened, after that you can start correcting the problems. a debian system does not automagically go casters up, there is always a reason for it. finding the reason can be challenging, though |
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| 16:29.52 | centrx | zh1, yeah, check the internal chrome memory tools, it could be an extension you have installed too |
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| 16:30.17 | centrx | zh1, it could conceivably be the google's version of chrome has some memory leak on Debian or something (so use the chromium version) |
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| 16:37.08 | rawfodog | i cant install software because of broken packages. How do I find the offending packages and fix them ? |
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| 16:37.30 | centrx | try running "apt-get install" without any package names |
| 16:37.37 | centrx | rawfodog, and/or dpkg --configure -a |
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| 16:39.56 | rawfodog | centrx, http://paste.debian.net/101590/ |
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| 16:40.26 | rawfodog | I tried the commmand you gave me and it didnt fix it |
| 16:40.44 | abrotman | rawfodog: show us all of the output from "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 16:40.57 | rawfodog | there is none |
| 16:41.05 | rawfodog | it doesnt output anything |
| 16:41.17 | rawfodog | is there a verbose mode ? |
| 16:41.19 | abrotman | rawfodog: and 'apt-get -f install' ? |
| 16:42.17 | rawfodog | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/101591/ |
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| 16:46.16 | abrotman | rawfodog: apt-get update;apt-get install terminator (also, pastebin your sources.list) |
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| 16:47.00 | jeffw | am using dwww to view man pages and online documentation but when i go more than 2 directories deep i get an error like this: The requested URL /cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/man/man3/bottom_panel.3curses.gz was not found on this server. |
| 16:48.03 | rawfodog | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/101592/ |
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| 16:49.01 | rawfodog | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/101593/ |
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| 16:50.33 | FirePowi | Hello, Is it possible to get the icon of a package without downloading all the package ? |
| 16:50.48 | abrotman | rawfodog: apt-cache policy terminator |
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| 16:51.29 | centrx | FirePowi, You can search for it online, or you can download the package/source package (with apt, but without installing) |
| 16:51.46 | rawfodog | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/101595/ |
| 16:52.37 | FirePowi | centrx, I didn’t ask well, this is for a script witch should show some packages icons. |
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| 16:54.45 | abrotman | rawfodog: aptitude install python-gobject ? |
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| 16:57.26 | rawfodog | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/101596/ |
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| 16:59.09 | abrotman | rawfodog: aptitude install terminator |
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| 17:01.13 | rawfodog | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/101597/ |
| 17:02.16 | abrotman | rawfodog: so say no, see what the next option is .. |
| 17:02.35 | abrotman | I mena, that's not the solution you want .. |
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| 17:04.00 | abrotman | rawfodog: side note, this is likely the result if including the MATE packages from outside of Debian ... they may be broken |
| 17:04.23 | rawfodog | well |
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| 17:05.05 | rawfodog | I stupidly/unknowingly added a squeeze repo in my source a few weeks ago. this channel explained to me why I cant do that (im a noob sorry!) and I removed as much as I could |
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| 17:05.31 | abrotman | did aptitude help if you said no and went to the next option ? |
| 17:05.39 | rawfodog | I think python is whats messed up, but I dunno. Someone gave me a command how to remove these packages but I didnt write it down :( |
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| 17:06.13 | rawfodog | ill try one sec |
| 17:07.06 | rawfodog | http://paste.debian.net/101599/ |
| 17:07.11 | rawfodog | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/101599/ |
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| 17:07.59 | abrotman | rawfodog: keep going until you get the solution you want |
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| 17:08.50 | rawfodog | abrotman, I hit no again and got this ... |
| 17:08.51 | rawfodog | http://paste.debian.net/101601/ |
| 17:09.03 | jeffw | am using dwww to view man pages and online documentation but when i go more than 2 directories deep i get an error like this: The requested URL /cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/man/man3/bottom_panel.3curses.gz was not found on this server. |
| 17:09.11 | rawfodog | should I keep hitting no ? |
| 17:09.30 | abrotman | rawfodog: you can .. I can't answer as to which is hte right solution fo ryou .. |
| 17:09.42 | rawfodog | ok |
| 17:09.43 | rawfodog | hehehe |
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| 17:11.36 | rawfodog | abrotman, I chose y on the last one, it installed |
| 17:11.41 | rawfodog | thanks for your help ! |
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| 17:12.17 | cybrNaut | is it really necessary to install the official "Oracle Java JDK" before installing the Android ADT? |
| 17:12.42 | cybrNaut | will iced tea or whatever java implementation ships with debian work? |
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| 17:13.33 | cybrNaut | seems gcj is the norm in debian |
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| 17:35.30 | tharkun | How are passwords stored in /etc/shadow ? |
| 17:36.55 | centrx | tharkun, MD5 hash I believe |
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| 17:38.06 | tharkun | centrx: with salt? |
| 17:39.34 | AimHere | a quick scan of the manpages seems to show that it's using crypt |
| 17:39.54 | AimHere | And crypt is a salted DES |
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| 17:40.52 | AimHere | Oops no, actually reading more manpage shows that it's defaulting to SHA-512 |
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| 17:42.11 | tharkun | AimHere: What manpage |
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| 17:42.43 | AimHere | 'man 5 passwd' (or 'man 5 shadow') and 'man 3 crypt' |
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| 17:44.04 | tharkun | hugs AimHere man 3 crypt is the solution :) |
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| 17:57.12 | codepython777 | I'd like to run a script at boot = rc.local. Now I want to run a script before shutdown or reboot - what is a clean way of achieving this? |
| 17:57.38 | codepython777 | Preferably something that will work with both jessie and wheezy |
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| 17:58.37 | abrotman | dpkg: tell codepython777 about run at startup |
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| 18:02.35 | codepython777 | abrotman: Thanks. I'd like to write that script in python actually. Looking for a skeleton for that |
| 18:03.01 | abrotman | so, make one |
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| 18:18.32 | CyberSix | if i'm using testing what do i edit the sources file to get eggdrop build deps from wheezy? |
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| 18:19.25 | centrx | CyberSix, You might be better off getting them from unstable |
| 18:19.26 | n-st | how can i get rsync in a netinst cd shell? |
| 18:19.31 | centrx | dpkg tell CyberSix about ssb |
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| 18:20.07 | abrotman | n-st: for what? |
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| 18:20.15 | centrx | CyberSix, See the message from dpkg about backporting packages yourself (this should give you a nice prepared Debian package, instead of compiling from the upstream source) |
| 18:20.24 | centrx | CyberSix, (ignore the items about backports since you are using testing) |
| 18:20.36 | n-st | to backup the contents of a file system before deleting it |
| 18:20.41 | n-st | abrotman: ↑ |
| 18:21.01 | CyberSix | thanks |
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| 18:21.16 | CyberSix | i was going backwards |
| 18:21.21 | centrx | CyberSix, Also actually if you look at this page: http://packages.qa.debian.org/eggdrop |
| 18:21.52 | centrx | CyberSix, It looks like it should (hopefully) migrate to testing in one or two days, so you could wait (though it's not an absolute certainty) |
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| 18:22.18 | abrotman | n-st: use a liveCD or something .. |
| 18:22.39 | CyberSix | yeah, i just want eggdrop-data though i don't know what it dows |
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| 18:22.52 | CyberSix | does* |
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| 18:23.35 | n-st | abrotman: i only have access to a small set of installations disks (the system's a kvm vps) and it needs to run on 128MB of ram
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| 18:24.53 | Reelax | Hi, i'm trying to install Qt in a chroot. i binded the /tmp directory , copied the .XAuthority file to the chroot, it gives me error when i try to install Qt. i remember i did this is old version of debian. |
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| 18:26.22 | Reelax | the error is related to Qt, but Qt is installed outside chroot without anyproblem, so the problem is binding X to chroot. Error is : qt-opensource-linux-x64-5.3.0.run: 1: qt-opensource-linux-x64-5.3.0.run: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 18:27.07 | abrotman | n-st: okay |
| 18:27.46 | n-st | abrotman: scp -rp should be enough to backup and restore the root partition, shouldn't it? |
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| 18:31.44 | abrotman | n-st: try it and see |
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| 18:35.09 | fdarling | does anyone know how to make GDM shut down immediately when the power button is pressed? Currently it just goes to sleep. via dconf-editor I was able to change the behavior for a logged in user (per-user setting) but not for the main login screen. |
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| 18:38.19 | abrotman | fdarling: maybve the acpi events |
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| 18:41.50 | fdarling | abrotman: I edited the /etc/acpid script to not try and pass the message along but to just do 'shutdown -h now' and then 'exit 0', but I have a more interesting issue -- it will both suspend and issue the shutdown -h now command (suspension is probably from GDM) |
| 18:42.06 | fdarling | abrotman: so it will fall asleep before it can shut down, and if you press the power button again to wake it then it will finish shutting down |
| 18:42.17 | Reelax | abrotman: when i install a program inside chroot, it does that as root. i wanna do it as debbix, how can i do it ? |
| 18:42.46 | rgr | shutdown GDM? |
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| 18:43.36 | fdarling | rgr: I could do that, but I would actually like to leave GDM running. I simply want the computer to be able to always have it's power button pressed and shut down immediately regardless of X running |
| 18:43.37 | rgr | you dont shut down GDM. You shutdown the OS. You can quit GDM. |
| 18:44.02 | rgr | but I know what you meant. |
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| 18:45.11 | fdarling | rgr: I don't know what you thought I meant, but I am talking about the acpid event somehow still being passed to GNOME related things and they are deciding what to do, which is suspend rather than shut down. I want a global override or interception |
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| 18:46.08 | rgr | Oh I see. Its only at the GDM login screen. |
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| 18:47.06 | fdarling | rgr: yes, I can configure per-user the behavior upon the power button being pressed. I can't figure out how to do it for GDM, the dconf-editor settings for root only affect when root is logged in (not the GDM screen) |
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| 19:15.32 | rawfodog | Im having problems mounting a usb key, here is my error http://paste.debian.net/101618/ |
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| 19:16.23 | msrd0 | rawfodog: i think you need root privileges to mount your device |
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| 19:16.46 | rawfodog | I can mount other usb keys |
| 19:16.53 | rawfodog | just ntsf wont work automatically |
| 19:17.05 | rawfodog | I dont really know how to mount manually :( |
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| 19:17.44 | msrd0 | to mount manually, just use the mount command, eg # mount /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:18.28 | zykotick9 | msrd0: + mount point "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" type thing... |
| 19:18.54 | msrd0 | zykotick9: yes, i forgot the last parameter, thanks |
| 19:19.02 | zykotick9 | rawfodog: fyi, ntfs/fat require additional options, for the permissions |
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| 19:19.46 | rawfodog | doh |
| 19:20.00 | rawfodog | so what should I do ? can I make it auto mount this ? |
| 19:20.19 | msrd0 | what do you mean with auto? |
| 19:21.33 | msrd0 | zykotick9: i can mount fat32-partitions without root permissions |
| 19:21.36 | rawfodog | when I plug in my usb key, I can double click the icon that appears on my desktop and not have to do anything else |
| 19:22.05 | fdarling | rgr: it would seem that gdm3 has it's own dconf database in /var/lib/gdm3/dconf, I am working on figuring it out... |
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| 19:23.42 | zykotick9 | msrd0: sorry, i'm the wrong person to answer that... i rarely use fat, and never ntfs... best of luck! |
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| 19:24.16 | msrd0 | i could mount fat32 without root permissions, but for ntfs my system needs root |
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| 19:24.52 | msrd0 | rawfodog: if i mount ntfs, kdesu appears and askes me for the root password. i think there is an option to save the password for this option. |
| 19:25.07 | rawfodog | hmmm |
| 19:25.17 | rawfodog | ill try another file manager ) |
| 19:25.54 | msrd0 | i use dolphin, there you can enter the root password |
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| 19:26.23 | rawfodog | when I run a fm as root, i no longer see the shortcut in the left side for the usb |
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| 19:27.09 | h4xx_ | rawfodog: chown root $(which ntfs-3g) && chmod 4755 $(which ntfs-3g) |
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| 19:27.51 | rawfodog | which ntfs-3g is something I type in ? |
| 19:28.00 | zykotick9 | h4xx_: i doubt trying to apply POSIX permission to NTFS will do anything... but maybe? |
| 19:29.12 | msrd0 | rawfodog: yes, enter this as h4xx_ wrote |
| 19:29.35 | centrx | rawfodog, The "which" command finds executables with that name, and the $() interpolates the result into the bash command line |
| 19:30.22 | rawfodog | I entered the command but I still get the error |
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| 19:30.47 | zykotick9 | h4xx_: ahhh, sorry, you're changing the permissions on the ntfs-3g executable. i'm on the trolley now ;) |
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| 19:31.01 | rawfodog | I just tried this as well, mount /dev/sbd1 |
| 19:31.01 | rawfodog | mount: can't find /dev/sbd1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 19:31.28 | zykotick9 | rawfodog: you need a mount point (if it isn't included in fstab) |
| 19:31.31 | msrd0 | rawfodog: this was only an example, i couldnt know if /dev/sdb1 exists on your pc |
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| 19:31.54 | rawfodog | ok |
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| 19:32.13 | zykotick9 | rawfodog: /mnt is handy as a temporary/testing mount point |
| 19:32.16 | h4xx_ | rawfodog: you have to either specify a mountpoint in fstab for mounting it with "mount /dev/sdb1" or type "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt", but you should be able to mount it with you filemanager |
| 19:32.24 | tdn | What is the recommended way of creating a bootable debian install USB? When I just dd the netinst iso to the USB device, it boots and install starts, but then it fails it detect cdrom-drive and then I cannot get past that point. |
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| 19:33.03 | zykotick9 | tdn: dd/cat/cp _should_ work, typically it's unetbootin that causes the cdrom-drive to not be detected properly |
| 19:33.08 | rawfodog | mount /dev/sbd1 /mnt |
| 19:33.08 | rawfodog | mount: special device /dev/sbd1 does not exist |
| 19:33.28 | msrd0 | zykotick9: it would be better to choose /media/something as the mount point |
| 19:33.37 | h4xx_ | rawfodog: "fdisk -l" and search for the name of your usb device |
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| 19:33.38 | msrd0 | rawfodog: this was only an example, i couldnt know if /dev/sdb1 exists on your pc |
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| 19:34.00 | zykotick9 | msrd0: no. /mnt is metter, leave /media/foo for the automounter stuff. rawfodog issue is, it isn't sdb1 |
| 19:35.12 | msrd0 | zykotick9: yes, but if you create the folder manually you could better say it isnt mounted yet, thats what i mean |
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| 19:36.48 | tdn | zykotick9, maybe something went wrong then. I will try to create a new one. |
| 19:37.06 | zykotick9 | msrd0: _personally_ i don't think creating directories (for mount points) under /media is a good idea YMMV |
| 19:37.08 | tdn | zykotick9, cat /media/sf_tdn/download/debian-7.5.0-i386-netinst.iso |pv > /dev/sdb && time sync |
| 19:37.10 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys. I'm looking for a m68k disassembler, or someone to help me disassemble ~600 bytes of an X68000 floppy bootloader |
| 19:38.02 | zykotick9 | tdn: i'm not sure what the ".. |pv.." is... but other then that, yes - NOTE you'd need to be root, sudo won't work with that command. |
| 19:38.17 | tdn | zykotick9, im root |
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| 19:38.19 | msrd0 | zykotick9: where else? /mnt is often used directly and my autoboot* is in /var/run/media/<user> |
| 19:39.02 | zykotick9 | msrd0: sorry, i don't use any of the automount stuff - so don't know how it works... i just mount everything the old fashion way ;) |
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| 19:39.48 | zykotick9 | msrd0: /mnt != /media you can create directories under /srv as mount points... |
| 19:39.57 | tremon | vampi-the-frog: objdump --disassemble? |
| 19:40.31 | tdn | zykotick9, ok, so I did just try it again on another USB stick that I just created using cat as above. It booted. In the boot menu, I selected the 'Install' option (default). Then I configured language and locale. Then it says: No common CD-ROM drive was detected.... |
| 19:40.45 | tdn | Load CD-ROM drivers from removable media? (y/n) |
| 19:40.59 | zykotick9 | tdn: sorry, i have no idea. best of luck! |
| 19:42.08 | tdn | zykotick9, thanks. |
| 19:42.10 | msrd0 | zykotick9: i thought /srv is used for stuff like apache? and i know /mnt != /media |
| 19:42.16 | zykotick9 | tdn: it was a netinst image right? not something else? |
| 19:42.24 | tdn | zykotick9, netinst 7.5.2 |
| 19:42.34 | tdn | i386 |
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| 19:43.00 | zykotick9 | msrd0: /srv can be used for "whatever you want" really... |
| 19:43.19 | zykotick9 | msrd0: i doubt debian's apache puts anything in /srv.. but maybe? |
| 19:43.38 | msrd0 | well, i normally mount the things with the kde popup |
| 19:44.04 | tdn | zykotick9, I _am_ supposed to cat the iso image to the USB device, right? Not the partition. (e.g. sdb1 instead of sdb)? |
| 19:44.20 | msrd0 | zykotick9: on my old os (opensuse 12.3) apache's htdocs were in /srv/www/ |
| 19:44.21 | zykotick9 | tdn: device, NO partition number! |
| 19:44.50 | tdn | zykotick9, yeah, that is what I do. Also, I figured if I did that part wrong, it would not boot at all |
| 19:44.56 | tdn | Because of missing mbr |
| 19:45.01 | zykotick9 | tdn: agreed. |
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| 19:46.06 | vampi-the-frog | tremon: how would that work for m68k code? |
| 19:46.23 | vampi-the-frog | tremon: this is a floppy image and I'm disassembling the boot sector |
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| 19:49.12 | tdn | zykotick9, I have the option to specify the cdrom device manually. I figure it might work to specify the usb device. However, that device does not exist on /dev. How do I create it? I have mknod in the alt+f2 busybox shell |
| 19:49.14 | tremon | vampi-the-frog: objdump is part of binutils. If you're not running this disassembler on m68k, you need a cross-disassembler |
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| 19:49.54 | vampi-the-frog | that's what I need please |
| 19:50.01 | vampi-the-frog | I can't find one with apt-cache search |
| 19:50.17 | zykotick9 | tdn: i have NO idea. but i think you're headed down the wrong path - the install should be able to find it's media, if you didn't use unetbootin, i don't know why that isn't happening... best of luck though. |
| 19:50.30 | tremon | no cross-compilers are available in the debian archive yet, sadly. You'll have to create one yourself |
| 19:50.40 | vampi-the-frog | pssh |
| 19:50.59 | tdn | zykotick9, ok. |
| 19:51.23 | tremon | vampi-the-frog: http://wiki.osdev.org/GCC_Cross-Compiler -- you might get away with just step 3.2 |
| 19:52.51 | tremon | vampi-the-frog: of course, apt-get build-dep and apt-get source are still helpful |
| 19:53.17 | zykotick9 | tdn: i'd be tempted to try the vanilla method of creating the usb "# cat /media/sf_tdn/download/debian-7.5.0-i386-netinst.iso > /dev/sdb && sync" just to be sure... |
| 19:55.09 | tremon | vampi-the-frog: once you have the m68k-linux-objdump binary, the next would be how to get a disassemby from a raw section of code. Usually objdump expects to find object headers. I'm pretty sure it can be done, but I've never needed that. Maybe ask on #gcc (or #binutils?) before investing too much time |
| 19:56.29 | vampi-the-frog | tremon: I'll just use some downloadable windows tool rather |
| 19:56.35 | vampi-the-frog | this is a very small project |
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| 19:58.29 | zykotick9 | tdn: also, md5 your iso first! |
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| 20:00.39 | elichai2 | hey |
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| 20:01.06 | elichai2 | i want to install a package that use libssl0.9.8 can i somehow make it use libssl1.0.0? |
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| 20:01.44 | tremon | yes, by recompiling the package |
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| 20:02.08 | elichai2 | :( |
| 20:02.15 | elichai2 | if it's not an opensource? |
| 20:03.35 | tremon | then no. What you can try to do is make a symlink libssl-0.9.8.so -> libssl-1.0.0.so, but you have a 99% chance that your program will crash in spectular ways |
| 20:03.54 | tremon | spectacular even |
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| 20:05.27 | elichai2 | tremon: where to put this symlink? |
| 20:05.32 | tremon | I'm not sure if libssl0.9.8 and libssl1.0.0 are coinstallable, but you can try adding squeeze to your sources.list and installing it on wheezy |
| 20:06.36 | tremon | elichai2: in the directory where the library is, likely /usr/lib/$arch/ |
| 20:06.53 | elichai2 | libssl0.9.8 is exposed to HeartBleed so i don't want to install it |
| 20:07.43 | tremon | I'm not sure that it is. I thought 0.9.8 was too old to be vulnerable (although it is vulnerable to beast) |
| 20:07.44 | elichai2 | have no '$arch' folder in /usr/lib |
| 20:08.15 | elichai2 | tremon: ammm... it is possible but if it's too old so i guess it's exposed to another vulnerbiltys :( |
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| 20:09.10 | tremon | but you do have an x86_64-linux-gnu directory, or i386- or whatever architecture you're running |
| 20:09.20 | elichai2 | tremon: found some sulotion :) |
| 20:09.23 | elichai2 | http://roger.steneteg.org/410/spotify-on-debian-wheezy/ |
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| 20:12.25 | tremon | ugh. Manually editing /var/lib/dpkg/status is not a solution |
| 20:13.50 | elichai2 | why not? |
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| 20:14.51 | elichai2 | it's better than downloading deperated ssl lib |
| 20:15.53 | centrx | elichai2, It's unlikely to work with the wrong version anyway |
| 20:15.53 | tremon | it's also very error-prone, if you make a mistake it can completely hose your system |
| 20:16.13 | chovy | the date on my server is 15 mins behind my mac's date |
| 20:16.54 | centrx | chovy, Use ntpd or ntpdate to get the right time |
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| 20:17.56 | tremon | besides, the page still asks you to manually download the 0.9.8 version and copy its files onto your system |
| 20:18.16 | tremon | so you'll be vulnerable regardless |
| 20:19.04 | centrx | Your random closed-source software is more likely to have security vulnerabilities than the libssl in squeeze which still gets security updates |
| 20:19.10 | tremon | only now you've gone and copied system files without dpkg knowing about it, so the files will never be upgraded either |
| 20:20.32 | elichai2 | temon ohh you right |
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| 20:21.19 | elichai2 | centrx: yeah but i'm compiling a lot of programs myself and i don't want to accidently compile something with libssl0.9.8 instead of 1.0.0! |
| 20:21.50 | chovy | centrx: thanks |
| 20:21.52 | tremon | elichai2: luckily, that won't happen unless you install the -dev version of that library |
| 20:22.14 | elichai2 | tremon: you sure? |
| 20:22.15 | tremon | maybe a simple squeeze backport might help here? simply apt-get source libssl/squeeze? |
| 20:22.52 | elichai2 | can i somehow set this library only to a specific package? |
| 20:23.18 | elichai2 | tremon: i have no squeeze in my repo... |
| 20:23.31 | tremon | you can add a deb-src line for squeeze |
| 20:24.20 | elichai2 | tremon: why deb-src? not a deb line? |
| 20:24.40 | tremon | what do you mean with "set this library only to a specific package"? Libraries are installed system-wide, but your current packages will not suddenly start using the 0.9.8 version if they're now using 1.0.0 |
| 20:25.33 | elichai2 | yeah but next time i'll compile something i want to be 100% sure that it uses libssl1.0.0 |
| 20:25.49 | tremon | elichai2: if you want to backport (recompile) the 0.9.8 version of libssl, you need a deb-src line. If you simply want to try and install the squeeze package on wheezy (without recompile), use a deb line |
| 20:25.54 | elichai2 | and how can i set that the deb http://http.debian.net/debian oldstable main |
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| 20:26.14 | elichai2 | will work only with -t squeeze or with package/sqeeze? (like a backport) |
| 20:26.37 | elichai2 | tremon: nooo i don't need to compile the ssl.... |
| 20:26.59 | tdn | zykotick9, will do that, however, I have tried downloading the iso from two different PCs now and tried two different USBs. |
| 20:27.32 | zykotick9 | tdn: be sure to verify the md5 sum is matching what it's suppose to be. |
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| 20:28.20 | elichai2 | tremon: the question about making it like backports is important |
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| 20:29.37 | tdn | 0e6eaacb5a5828473afe90f6df9c8f16 /media/sf_tdn/download/debian-7.5.0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:30.13 | tremon | elichai2: let's take a step back, first decide what you want to do. We've seen several options, a) install oldstable package b) compile new package from oldstable sources c) hack dpkg/status file and manually copy files from oldstable package |
| 20:30.14 | tdn | zykotick9, cannot find the md5sum on the debian.org site. |
| 20:30.30 | tremon | elichai2: which of those do you want to try? |
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| 20:30.46 | tdn | Oh, there it is: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/7.5.0/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS the md5sum checks out |
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| 20:31.39 | tremon | oh, and d) call spotify customer support and complain e) create an ugly symlink from ssl0.9.8 -> ssl1.0.0 |
| 20:31.40 | elichai2 | install from oldstable |
| 20:32.01 | elichai2 | (no compiling) |
| 20:33.03 | tremon | ok, then the line you wrote above (deb http://http.debian.net/debian oldstable main) should work fine |
| 20:33.14 | elichai2 | did it |
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| 20:33.29 | elichai2 | but i don't want it to work with just *apt-get install* |
| 20:33.37 | tremon | then run apt-get update and check for errors (there shouldn't be any) |
| 20:33.44 | tremon | it won't |
| 20:33.50 | tdn | zykotick9, would it make sense to try use the CD1 image instead? |
| 20:33.59 | tremon | oh wait, it will :) |
| 20:34.04 | elichai2 | i want it to make me run *apt-get libssl0.9.8/squeeze* or *apt-get -t squeeze install libssl0.9.8* |
| 20:34.12 | elichai2 | tremon: yeah i know :) |
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| 20:34.42 | elichai2 | (already installed libssl0.9.8 i just now make sure i won't accidently install something else from oldstable) |
| 20:34.42 | tremon | elichai2: but there is only one source for libssl0.9.8. It will always pick the squeeze version |
| 20:35.01 | zykotick9 | tdn: honestly, it _shouldn't_ be any different, but... if netinst keeps failing, maybe... |
| 20:35.05 | tremon | elichai2: apt will always install the newer version of a package |
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| 20:35.48 | tremon | the only time you will end up with packages from squeeze is if you ask for a package that is not available in wheezy |
| 20:35.57 | elichai2 | yeah but if oldstable will have other packages wheezy don't have i prefer to know it and think again before just installing from oldstable |
| 20:35.58 | tremon | (like libssl0.9.8) |
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| 20:37.11 | elichai2 | yeah but i want to know it |
| 20:37.21 | elichai2 | it's not safe to install things from oldstable |
| 20:37.24 | tremon | elichai2: there's not really a good solution there, I think. You could create a release pin for squeeze and set it at priority -1, but then libssl0.9.8 will never get security updates either |
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| 20:37.58 | tremon | or you can remove (comment out) the oldstable line from your sources.list, and then libssl won't get updates either |
| 20:38.00 | zykotick9 | tremon: IMO, i'd add an option f) don't use crappy, out of repo software, to the available options ;) |
| 20:38.37 | tremon | the only reason things work like you expect for backports, is that all package names in backports match a package name in wheezy proper |
| 20:38.47 | elichai2 | yeah thats the problem |
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| 20:39.18 | elichai2 | ohh backports have no packages with other names?! |
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| 20:41.13 | tremon | well, sorta. kernel packages in backports do have unique names, so if you were to apt-get install linux-image-3.14-1-amd64 on wheezy you /will/ get the backports version |
| 20:41.30 | tremon | even without using -t wheezy-backports |
| 20:42.07 | elichai2 | ohh ok |
| 20:42.07 | tremon | (assuming of course you have backports enabled in your sources.list) |
| 20:42.17 | elichai2 | yeah i do lol |
| 20:42.27 | babilen | There simply is only a single candidate so apt just installs that. |
| 20:42.30 | zykotick9 | tremon: BUT, if that kernel requires something from backports - that's not gonna work out, without the -t wheezy-backports |
| 20:42.53 | tremon | ahh yes. good point |
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| 20:42.56 | babilen | (unless all of them have unique package names too) |
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| 20:43.18 | tremon | another good point :) |
| 20:43.22 | babilen | Which almost never happens :) |
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| 20:45.01 | elichai2 | hate fucking Gmail :( |
| 20:45.08 | elichai2 | taking 260MB RAM :( |
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| 20:48.59 | msrd0 | elichai2: why dont you close gmail if it takes to much ram? |
| 20:49.13 | elichai2 | because i need it |
| 20:49.27 | elichai2 | and my stuiped laptop got only 1GB RAM |
| 20:49.30 | mrbang | try another email client |
| 20:49.48 | elichai2 | lol what do you mean? |
| 20:49.53 | msrd0 | elichai2: dont you use a swap partition? |
| 20:49.53 | elichai2 | i'm using chrome+Gmail |
| 20:49.54 | mrbang | like console email client |
| 20:50.05 | elichai2 | i use swap, but still my laptop slow as hell |
| 20:50.05 | mrbang | text-based client i mean |
| 20:50.11 | wols | elichai2: gmail has imap access. use a lightweight client like claws mail to read it |
| 20:50.23 | elichai2 | (my HD isn't that fast and i have LUKS) |
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| 20:51.12 | mrbang | and try to use another browser, a lightweight one |
| 20:51.25 | msrd0 | something like konqueror |
| 20:51.31 | mrbang | yeah, nice one |
| 20:51.56 | elichai2 | yeah but i need LastPass extension and SSL-Everywhere extension |
| 20:52.05 | zykotick9 | konqueror lightweight... wow, not IMO (KDE is HUGE) |
| 20:52.07 | elichai2 | *HTTPS-everywhere |
| 20:52.18 | elichai2 | i have no KDE |
| 20:52.20 | msrd0 | mrbang: konqueror sometimes shows the oldest page of the same web page, but i like it too |
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| 20:52.47 | msrd0 | elichai2: dont worry, i think you could use kde-programms in gnome as i can use gnome-programms in kde |
| 20:53.23 | zykotick9 | msrd0: fyi, on my system, installing konqueror would require 76.9 MB and 97 packages... |
| 20:53.32 | mrbang | elichai2: seems you are a sec paranoid? right? |
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| 20:53.44 | msrd0 | zykotick9: this are probably some kde librarys |
| 20:54.35 | msrd0 | if you install them once they are available ever, i also have the gnome-preinstalled-libs on my computer plus the required kde libs |
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| 20:55.58 | tdn | zykotick9, just tried CD1. It appeared to work. It is now past the network step. |
| 20:56.10 | tdn | zykotick9, so I guess there is a bug in the current netinst image for i386. |
| 20:56.26 | mrbang | try to get text-based softwares if you want to save RAM |
| 20:56.27 | tdn | I have not idea where to take this, so I hope someone in here picks it up. |
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| 20:58.29 | zykotick9 | tdn: TBO, i doubt i386 wheezy image is broken for everyone... glad you got it working though. |
| 20:58.51 | tdn | zykotick9, now, this is strange: when I get to the Partition Disks step, it fails with: There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM. Please make sure it is in the drive. If retrying does not work, you should check the integrity of your CD-ROM. Failed to copy file from CD-ROM. Retry? |
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| 20:59.18 | tdn | zykotick9, CD1 fails at a later state, but still related to cdrom. |
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| 21:00.12 | zykotick9 | tdn: sorry - i've ONLY ever seen that when using unetbootin. best of luck! |
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| 21:01.02 | tdn | I tried to just continue during this step. Then it continues partitioning the disks. It seems to go fine, but then fails on Install the base system: Debootstrap Error: Failed to determine the codename for the release. |
| 21:01.11 | tdn | zykotick9, ok. |
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| 21:08.58 | digdilem | seems legit |
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| 21:12.26 | Jeeves_Moss | when I try to run update-rc.d, I'm getting insserv: warning: script 'GPIO_setup' missing LSB tags and overrides. how do I fix this? |
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| 21:23.50 | tremon | compare the first 20 lines (or so) of /etc/init.d/skeleton with GPIO_setup |
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| 21:25.16 | tremon | you need to copy and edit the INIT INFO section |
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| 21:35.33 | cYris212 | How do I set the default colors for xterm in debian? |
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| 21:38.05 | jonasg | cYris212: Look up for a reference on editing the ~/.Xresources file |
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| 21:39.43 | jonasg | cYris212: You will be adding things like 'xterm*background: #111111' to the ~/.Xresources file |
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| 21:41.12 | zykotick9 | cYris212: personally, i'd suggest using urxvt (aka rxvt-unicode) over xterm, but YMMV |
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| 22:07.37 | ross` | how can i get python2.7 on debian without manually installing it? |
| 22:07.52 | ross` | debian version: 6.0.9 |
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| 22:10.00 | babilen | ross`: Compile it yourself and manage the environment with virtualenv and pip |
| 22:10.45 | babilen | (or upgrad your box to wheezy as detailed in the <wheezy release notes>) |
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| 22:15.51 | ross` | babilen: is there a way to do that properly? or can i just edit menu.list |
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| 22:16.18 | ross` | er sources.list |
| 22:17.59 | Tramp | !tell ross` -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 22:21.49 | ross` | Tramp: thanks, i did that right before you sent it to me |
| 22:22.47 | plotino | hello |
| 22:23.06 | plotino | i have problen with alsa and my audio card |
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| 22:38.07 | robert45 | hi guys, my debian rescue system doesnt find my LVM, is there anything I need to let debian recognize the volume grups? |
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| 22:56.26 | sakal | hi. what about weston in debian? is it usable? |
| 22:57.39 | centrx | you mean wayland? |
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| 23:00.31 | lulzer | user@debian:~$ sudo apt-get update E: Type 'deb' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list E: The list of sources could not be read. |
| 23:00.37 | lulzer | can anyone help me with that? |
| 23:01.32 | sakal | centrx: yes, I mean wayland |
| 23:01.52 | centrx | dpkg, tell lulzer about sources.list |
| 23:02.23 | lulzer | thanks :D |
| 23:02.34 | lulzer | btw what type of debian do you run? |
| 23:02.49 | centrx | I run testing |
| 23:02.54 | lulzer | i mean kde, xfce, lxde, GNOME |
| 23:03.04 | centrx | openbox with fbpanel |
| 23:03.05 | ross` | oh, by upgrading to wheezy did i just make myself vulnerable to heartbleed |
| 23:03.08 | ross` | the openssl bug |
| 23:03.19 | lulzer | sick |
| 23:03.22 | centrx | ross`, Make sure you have a line for security in your sources.list and run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 23:03.33 | centrx | dpkg, tell ross` about security |
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| 23:04.02 | centrx | lulzer, Yes, also try out twm |
| 23:04.11 | lulzer | ? |
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| 23:04.54 | centrx | lulzer, one of the oldest simplest window managers, just something to look at |
| 23:05.03 | centrx | (1987) |
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| 23:05.50 | lulzer | ahh ok thanks |
| 23:05.57 | ross` | oh crap! my upgrade broke apache2! |
| 23:06.08 | ross` | i didn't want to update the configuration file due to having my own stuff in there |
| 23:06.12 | ross` | and now it won't start |
| 23:06.13 | lulzer | can you also tell me how to stop that stupid dock on the bottom from preventing windows from being top to bottom? |
| 23:06.27 | lulzer | it frickin stops the window when it gets that far down |
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| 23:06.33 | centrx | lulzer, I don't know, try in #gnome ? |
| 23:06.39 | lulzer | im in xfce |
| 23:06.45 | lulzer | its fucking ugly, lol |
| 23:06.47 | ross` | oh no.... |
| 23:06.53 | ross` | dovecot and apache2 are toasted |
| 23:06.57 | ross` | why did i upgrade.. |
| 23:07.02 | centrx | lulzer, I'm sure it's in the settings somewhere, or there's an #xfce channel |
| 23:07.13 | centrx | ross`, run dpkg-reconfigure apache2 |
| 23:07.16 | lulzer | ross` - Apache is so vulnerable to ddis its scary |
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| 23:07.33 | lulzer | use nginx or SOMETHING because apache 1 and 2 are a security joke |
| 23:07.52 | lulzer | they will drop with fucking 50 threads |
| 23:08.02 | ross` | root@serenity:/etc/apache2/sites-enabled# dpkg-reconfigure dovecot-imapd |
| 23:08.03 | ross` | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: dovecot-imapd is broken or not fully installed |
| 23:08.50 | ross` | dpkg-reconfgure apache2 returned immediately |
| 23:08.54 | ross` | i tried restarting, and it failed! |
| 23:08.59 | ross` | omfg i can't deal with this right now! |
| 23:09.10 | ross` | what can i do? can i rollback to my older version for things that failed? |
| 23:09.12 | ross` | what should i do? |
| 23:09.27 | centrx | ross`, How did you do the upgrade? |
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| 23:11.04 | ross` | centrx: i updated my sources.lst s/squeeze/wheezy/g |
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| 23:11.19 | ross` | then i did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 23:11.34 | ross` | i selected use my configuration if i had stuff in it i needed instead of using the new one |
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| 23:11.41 | ross` | and now almost all my daemons are toasted |
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| 23:11.48 | ross` | including email which is a HUGE problem right now -_- |
| 23:12.03 | ross` | how can i fix email asap? |
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| 23:12.16 | centrx | ross`, Yes, "keep my configuration file" means you can be left with an incompatible file, expecting you to manually change it |
| 23:12.19 | ross` | for that one i can use the new configuration file i just don't know how |
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| 23:12.36 | ross` | how do i effectively go back and get the new config file |
| 23:12.39 | centrx | ross`, It sounds like there is some non-configuration file error though, because the dpkg-reconfigure dovecat isn't working |
| 23:12.56 | centrx | ross`, what happens if you do: apt-get install dovecat-imapd |
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| 23:13.26 | ross` | i hope exim4 isn't broken as well.. |
| 23:13.31 | ross` | that is MUCH harder to just "fix" |
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| 23:14.44 | ross` | can i rollback my application version for everything that crashed |
| 23:14.48 | ross` | i don't have time to fix stuff properly right now |
| 23:14.48 | centrx | no |
| 23:14.57 | centrx | you could restore a disk backup |
| 23:15.09 | ross` | and this is precicely why i use gentoo on my laptop -.- |
| 23:15.26 | ross` | so basically i need to reinstall my server then since i can't understand these errors |
| 23:15.33 | centrx | I don't see the relation. I see a lot more people complaining about broken Gentoo upgrades |
| 23:15.33 | ross` | apt-get install dovecot-imapd is failing -_- |
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| 23:16.00 | ross` | dpkg won't let me reconfigure the config file |
| 23:16.01 | dpkg | no idea, ross` |
| 23:16.01 | ross` | idk why |
| 23:16.08 | centrx | ross`, They should be perfectly fixable errors. It might be quick. But the key is not to panic and go about it carefully |
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| 23:16.38 | centrx | ross`, Can you paste the complete output of apt-get install dovecat-imapd (I am assuming this is the highest priority, that this is your e-mail?) |
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| 23:16.51 | ross` | root@serenity:/etc/dovecot# doveconf -n > dovecot.conf |
| 23:16.51 | ross` | doveconf: Error: ssl enabled, but ssl_cert not set |
| 23:16.51 | ross` | doveconf: Fatal: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf: ssl enabled, but ssl_cert not set |
| 23:16.57 | ross` | it told me to do that |
| 23:16.59 | ross` | and that fails as well |
| 23:17.01 | ross` | everythign fails |
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| 23:17.32 | ggoes | Is there a browser in Debian which supports embedded mp3 in the HTML <audio> tag? Iceweasel and a few WebKit browsers are not working for me. |
| 23:17.52 | ross` | oh CRAP, now i'm really in trouble -_- |
| 23:18.07 | ross` | i overwrote /etc/dovecot.conf which i could have edited with the output error |
| 23:18.23 | ross` | now can i just get the one that the package manager was trying to overwrite with? |
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| 23:18.38 | centrx | dpkg-reconfigure should do that |
| 23:18.44 | copocaneta | has anyone here successfully set up svn2web? I have a few questions |
| 23:18.44 | centrx | You have to calm down or you'll make mistakes. Everything will be fine. |
| 23:18.48 | ross` | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: dovecot-imapd is broken or not fully installed |
| 23:18.51 | ross` | how can i do it manually |
| 23:19.13 | centrx | <centrx> ross`, Can you paste the complete output of apt-get install dovecat-imapd at gist.github.com (not doveconf -n > dovecot.conf ) |
| 23:19.27 | ross` | i can't even remove it! |
| 23:19.49 | ross` | it's references ghost lines in a config file that i overwrote and doesn't exist |
| 23:19.54 | ross` | i am so 100% completely confused by this |
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| 23:20.43 | ross` | http://pastebin.com/8CFBYvMQ |
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| 23:21.36 | centrx | ross`, Try moving the conf file somewhere, or just renaming it like .bak |
| 23:22.15 | ross` | http://pastebin.com/yneddcdy |
| 23:22.20 | ross` | i have one simple simple question |
| 23:22.32 | ross` | how do i manually get the "new" config so that i can cp it |
| 23:22.38 | ross` | since dpkg-reconfigure isn't working |
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| 23:23.53 | ross` | i reran it different error but same error |
| 23:23.56 | ross` | when there was no .conf present |
| 23:24.03 | centrx | what's the error now? |
| 23:24.27 | ross` | okay, i was finally able to remove it but ls /etc/dovecot/ is still populated |
| 23:24.31 | ross` | how do i do a clean remove |
| 23:24.34 | ross` | so i can do a clean install |
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| 23:25.10 | lulzer | ok everyone post what kind of debian they run (KDE, GNOME3, lxde) and why you like it |
| 23:25.12 | centrx | ross`, you can do dpkg --purge --force-all dovecat-imapd if you want to force it (potentially leaving junk around) |
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| 23:25.26 | centrx | ross`, but leaving junk around probably doesn't make any difference, since you plan to reinstall it again right away |
| 23:25.33 | centrx | !vote |
| 23:25.50 | centrx | !poll |
| 23:25.50 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 23:25.55 | ross` | well what about apache2 then |
| 23:26.03 | ross` | because dpkg-reconfigure apache2 didn't do aything |
| 23:26.25 | centrx | ross`, What is the error with apache? |
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| 23:27.36 | centrx | ross`, There may be example configs for packages like dovecot in /usr/share/doc/<package name> |
| 23:28.00 | centrx | ross`, so those will work the the new version, and you can modify the config from that if dpkg-reconfigure isn't working |
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| 23:29.10 | ross` | so i was able to cleanly remove dovecot-imapd but it won't reinstall |
| 23:29.12 | ross` | idk why |
| 23:29.27 | Gunni | Is there a channel or support somewhere for the ACL filesystem ... thing? |
| 23:30.29 | centrx | ross`, gotta just paste up those error messages, using pastebinit (apt-get install pastebinit) might make it easier |
| 23:30.42 | ross` | at this point i have so many packages hosed i think i'll just reinstall my server |
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| 23:31.45 | ross` | root@serenity:/etc# dpkg --purge --force-all dovecat-imapd |
| 23:31.45 | ross` | dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove dovecat-imapd which isn't installed |
| 23:31.45 | dpkg | ross`: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 23:31.46 | ross` | root@serenity:/etc# dpkg --purge --force-all dovecat-imapd |
| 23:31.46 | ross` | dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove dovecat-imapd which isn't installed |
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| 23:31.48 | ross` | root@serenity:/etc# dpkg --purge --force-all dovecat-imapd |
| 23:31.51 | ross` | dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove dovecat-imapd which isn't installed |
| 23:31.54 | ross` | root@serenity:/etc# dpkg --purge --force-all dovecat-imapd |
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| 23:31.56 | ross` | dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove dovecat-imapd which isn't installed |
| 23:31.56 | dpkg | ross`: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 23:31.58 | ross` | root@serenity:/etc# dpkg --purge --force-all dovecat-imapd |
| 23:32.01 | ross` | dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove dovecat-imapd which isn't installed |
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| 23:34.07 | centrx | ross`, okay, so it successfully uninstalled it |
| 23:34.12 | centrx | ross`, somewhere along the way |
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| 23:34.21 | centrx | ross`, watch out pasting into the channel or the bot will auto-kick you |
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| 23:34.42 | centrx | ross`, does apt-get install dovecat-imapd work now? |
| 23:34.56 | ross` | oh wow, i did NOT mean to spam |
| 23:35.04 | ross` | i didn't even realize i did, i'm extremely sorry. |
| 23:35.12 | ross` | centrx: no it does not, simply fails earlier |
| 23:35.52 | centrx | ross`, it fails with which error message? |
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| 23:38.37 | ross` | bleh what is the bash switch to get data into stdin and > to file |
| 23:38.38 | ross` | ? |
| 23:39.06 | centrx | echo "hi" | reverse > /tmp/test.out |
| 23:39.33 | centrx | actually it's rev not reverse, but it's just an example (rev is just a program with stdin and stdout) |
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| 23:39.50 | centrx | echo "hi" | rev > /tmp/test.out |
| 23:40.34 | ross` | idk why but paste isn't working into nano |
| 23:40.35 | ross` | -_- |
| 23:40.50 | ross` | i never had this problem before |
| 23:41.00 | ross` | it works into shell, vim, just not nano! |
| 23:41.13 | centrx | weird |
| 23:41.14 | ross` | i'm downloading pastebinit on my laptop |
| 23:42.17 | ross` | man i really don't want to be forced to abandon this server |
| 23:42.20 | ross` | i have so much stuff on here |
| 23:42.52 | ross` | http://pastebin.com/M4Km6mri |
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| 23:44.24 | centrx | ross`, This is probably missing directories /etc/dovecot or /etc/dovecot/conf.d just create them |
| 23:45.37 | ross` | well wait a minute.. |
| 23:45.40 | ross` | shouldn't install make them though |
| 23:45.46 | ross` | i mean what if this was a fresh server |
| 23:46.31 | ross` | anyway that did work |
| 23:46.36 | centrx | I think those directories must have been created by another of the dovecot packages |
| 23:47.07 | centrx | but then dovecot-imapd was forcibly uninstalled |
| 23:47.22 | centrx | that's probably why the directories were missing |
| 23:47.45 | centrx | just a little hiccup to be expected with using --force |
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| 23:49.38 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I get the proper UUID of drives? I've tried blkid and it's giving me a shorter number than it looks like I need |
| 23:50.03 | ross` | centrx: hmm weird alpine isn't using my exim4 inbox |
| 23:50.06 | ross` | :( |
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| 23:50.46 | centrx | ross`, check this out: http://serverfault.com/questions/82801/linux-how-to-restore-config-file-using-apt-get-aptitude |
| 23:50.49 | ross` | okay now about fixing apache2 |
| 23:50.55 | centrx | ross`, maybe that could be run on all your packages |
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| 23:51.05 | centrx | but probably best to get the most important ones functioning first |
| 23:51.06 | zykotick9 | Jeeves_Moss: my suggestion would be, use LABELs instead of UUIDs |
| 23:51.20 | ross` | centrx: thanks for googling for me! <3 you |
| 23:51.21 | Jeeves_Moss | zykotick9, could you send me a URL on howto? |
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| 23:51.41 | ross` | right now i *think* apache2 is the only thing critical that is broken |
| 23:52.15 | centrx | cool |
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| 23:53.13 | trysten_ | hello #debian. i have used the update-rc.d command to install an init script. how can i test the init script? is init 2; init 5 sufficient? |
| 23:53.17 | ross` | thanks so much for your help |
| 23:53.24 | centrx | You are welcome |
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| 23:55.10 | ross` | that link you gave me isn't working for this.. |
| 23:55.17 | trysten_ | moreover.. how can i test if the init script was intalled properly? i know it works if i run /etc/init.d/scriptname |
| 23:55.53 | ross` | root@serenity:~/fix# dpkg -i --force-confmiss apache2.deb |
| 23:56.01 | ross` | root@serenity:~/fix# dpkg -i --force-confmiss apache2 |
| 23:56.12 | ross` | maybe i need to give it a full file path to apache2.deb |
| 23:56.20 | ross` | which i can find where..? |
| 23:56.37 | centrx | ross`, yes, it has to be an actual file on disk. You should be able to find it in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 23:56.43 | centrx | use the last version |
| 23:56.45 | centrx | latest |
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| 23:58.12 | ross` | well that was useless.. i did that on the .deb that was the one that debian just said it installed |
| 23:58.22 | ross` | and it ran fine, said setting up package |
| 23:58.29 | ross` | and then i tried restarting only to find it didn't copy anything |
| 23:59.11 | centrx | bummer |
| 23:59.33 | centrx | ross`, there should be example apache config files in /usr/share/doc/apache2 in some examples directory |
| 23:59.39 | centrx | ross`, you can copy that and make your own modifications |
| 23:59.56 | ross` | remove/install again same thing |
