| 00:00.04 | centrx | Normally the installer handles converting your old config for most packages |
| 00:00.11 | centrx | What's the error message for apache2? |
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| 00:01.08 | ross` | oh wow, no. |
| 00:01.15 | ross` | i want the one that you get when you install it as if from scratch |
| 00:01.18 | ross` | that has a ton of stuff in it |
| 00:01.23 | ross` | these default ones are way too simple |
| 00:01.39 | ross` | centrx: no error, says it works, but doesn't do anything |
| 00:01.52 | ross` | i just want to do through the upgrade process again effectively saying it can overwrite. |
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| 00:02.25 | centrx | ross`, Do you think doing uninstall and re-install would work for apache like with dovecot? (make sure to back up your config file) |
| 00:04.47 | ross` | okay i got apache2 working mainly |
| 00:04.53 | ross` | now squirrelmail can't connect to imapd |
| 00:05.06 | ross` | centrx: i did that three times (remove/install) |
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| 00:05.44 | centrx | If it doesn't work the first time, try try again :) |
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| 00:06.31 | ross` | what do i do to get squirrelmail to connect >< |
| 00:06.33 | ross` | it always just has |
| 00:06.39 | ross` | Error connecting to IMAP server: localhost. |
| 00:06.40 | ross` | 111 : Connection refused |
| 00:06.44 | ross` | i reinstalled it |
| 00:06.46 | ross` | no help |
| 00:07.15 | centrx | Is there a configuration option for accepting local connections in the imapd? |
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| 00:07.25 | centrx | Did you restart the imapd after changing the config file? |
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| 00:08.56 | ross` | yes |
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| 00:09.43 | ross` | so dovecot used to have tons of configuration files and stuff in /etc/dovecot |
| 00:09.55 | ross` | now all it has is /etc/dovecot/conf.d/20-imap.conf |
| 00:10.00 | ross` | and that is the ONLY configuration file |
| 00:10.03 | centrx | ross`, You may have to list all dovecot related packages with dpkg -l |grep dovecot |
| 00:10.42 | ross` | k, i got dovecot-common |
| 00:10.44 | centrx | ross`, Uninstall and reinstall them all (of course you can do this in one/two commands putting the packages on the same command-line) |
| 00:10.48 | ross` | it didn't add any new conf files |
| 00:10.51 | ross` | core was already there |
| 00:11.16 | nkuttler | !tell ross` about confmiss |
| 00:11.42 | centrx | ross`, I think this was a side effect of using --force It is unfortunate but should be easily fixable just be reinstalling all of the dovecot packages |
| 00:12.00 | nkuttler | --force? yeah, that might break things |
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| 00:12.30 | centrx | nkuttler, Welcome to the adventure |
| 00:12.35 | ross` | maybe |
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| 00:13.13 | centrx | nkuttler, upgraded to wheezy but chose to keep all the old config files |
| 00:13.29 | ross` | Not replacing deleted config file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf |
| 00:13.30 | ross` | etc |
| 00:13.31 | ross` | wtf |
| 00:13.32 | ross` | why would it do that |
| 00:13.33 | centrx | nkuttler, Seems like a bad outcome that needs more warning |
| 00:13.53 | nkuttler | ross`: it's apparently not part of any package |
| 00:14.02 | ross` | no, it is |
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| 00:14.06 | ross` | WTF |
| 00:14.09 | nkuttler | yeah? which one? |
| 00:14.16 | ross` | dovecot-core KNOWS that this isn't a fresh install god damnit |
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| 00:14.25 | ross` | how can i have it treat it like it's never been installed on my server before |
| 00:14.30 | ross` | why is it doing this! |
| 00:14.41 | nkuttler | dpkg -L dovecot-core | grep /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf -> nope, not directly at least |
| 00:14.41 | dpkg | ii dovecot-core | grep /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf -> nope, not directly at least 3.6-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 00:15.08 | ross` | then why is it telling me... |
| 00:15.37 | nkuttler | ross`: i'd guess it's in postinst? |
| 00:16.10 | ross` | how can i delete the record of it having been installed before |
| 00:16.13 | ross` | where is that metadata stored |
| 00:16.18 | nkuttler | ross`: remove --purge |
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| 00:16.56 | ross` | thank you |
| 00:17.18 | ross` | perfect |
| 00:17.25 | ross` | that works so much easier than root@serenity:/home# aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall dovecot-core |
| 00:19.48 | ross` | well now i'm logged into squirrelmail |
| 00:19.51 | ross` | but i can't access my inbox |
| 00:19.52 | ross` | ERROR: Could not complete request. |
| 00:19.52 | ross` | Query: SELECT "INBOX" |
| 00:19.54 | ross` | Reason Given: [SERVERBUG] Internal error occurred. Refer to server log for more information. [2014-05-24 20:18:39] |
| 00:21.20 | ross` | if only i knew where the logfile was, not as simple as /var/log/squirrelmail |
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| 00:21.41 | ross` | this isn't working |
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| 00:23.05 | ross` | do i have to do something with dovecot? |
| 00:23.47 | ross` | this would have just worked had i installed it fresh. |
| 00:23.59 | ross` | i want to know how what i've been doing since --purge is different than that |
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| 00:26.21 | ross` | okay so i did apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
| 00:26.35 | ross` | then i did rm -r /etc/apache2 |
| 00:26.44 | ross` | after making a backup ofcourse, then i did apt-get install apache2 |
| 00:26.50 | ross` | it did not recreate config |
| 00:26.57 | ross` | i am so confused right now |
| 00:27.26 | ross` | where can i manually edit the metadata |
| 00:27.34 | ross` | of the file that is checked to see if somethign has been installed before |
| 00:27.43 | ross` | if this were a fresh server i wouldn't be running into these problems.. |
| 00:28.42 | qman__ | --purge clears it out, but you need to make sure you purge the package that actually contains the config files |
| 00:28.52 | qman__ | purging a metapackage won't do much of anything |
| 00:29.14 | ross` | so.. |
| 00:29.50 | ross` | shouldn't --purge on metapackages remove child packages with --purge |
| 00:29.59 | qman__ | it doesn't |
| 00:30.13 | qman__ | when you remove --purge a package, it does not remove packages which that depends on |
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| 00:30.26 | qman__ | they are still installed |
| 00:30.29 | ross` | well then how do i find out everything i want to remove related to apache2 |
| 00:30.32 | qman__ | e.g. apache2-common |
| 00:30.35 | ross` | i tried that |
| 00:30.44 | ross` | is not installed |
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| 00:31.20 | ross` | bleh |
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| 00:31.29 | ross` | can we just bring this back to text files |
| 00:31.32 | ross` | or directory locations |
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| 00:31.42 | qman__ | unfortunately packages.debian.net is down or I'd tell you exactly which packages it depends on |
| 00:31.56 | ross` | so gentoo has a world file |
| 00:31.58 | ross` | what does debian have |
| 00:32.02 | qman__ | apt |
| 00:32.10 | ross` | as far as how dpkg knows what is installed |
| 00:32.15 | ross` | where is the file that is installed packages |
| 00:32.20 | ross` | or is it a directory structure |
| 00:32.23 | ross` | do you know what i'm asking? |
| 00:32.33 | qman__ | if you go editing that file manually, you are voiding your warranty (figuratively speaking) |
| 00:32.41 | Gunni | Can someone help me understand why i can not update modified timestamp on a file in an extended ACL directory? |
| 00:32.42 | Gunni | utimensat(AT_FDCWD, "extra.db", NULL, AT_SYMLINK_NOFOLLOW) = 0 |
| 00:32.42 | Gunni | utimensat(AT_FDCWD, "extra.db", {{1400976000, 0}, {1400976000, 0}}, AT_SYMLINK_NOFOLLOW) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) |
| 00:32.44 | ross` | yes, this isn't working. |
| 00:32.50 | Gunni | but only if it is the past... |
| 00:32.57 | qman__ | your package manager is working fine, you just need to figure out which packages you want to remove |
| 00:33.14 | qman__ | once you think you've removed everything you want, try apt-get --purge autoremove |
| 00:33.17 | qman__ | and look carefully at the list |
| 00:33.50 | ross` | i already did apt-get autoremove without --purge after dist-upgrade |
| 00:33.59 | qman__ | without --purge it leaves configs in place |
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| 00:34.55 | ross` | i know that now.. |
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| 00:36.12 | qman__ | ok, so |
| 00:36.35 | ross` | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.43 | ross` | when i try to remove --purge apache2-utils |
| 00:36.44 | qman__ | packages.debian.org is up, apache2 depends on apache2-mpm-* (you probably have apache2-mpm-prefork), which depends on apache2.2-bin and apache2.2-common |
| 00:36.59 | ross` | then when i try to remove common it doesn't exist |
| 00:37.23 | ross` | what do i cat or ls to see my installed packages |
| 00:37.37 | qman__ | apt-get install apache2; apt-get remove --purge apache2 apache2-mpm-* apache2.2-bin apache2.2-common |
| 00:37.42 | qman__ | dpkg -l |
| 00:37.43 | dpkg | Files in package qman__-pr0n: /srv/qman__-pr0n/qman__.jpg |
| 00:37.45 | qman__ | lists installed packages |
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| 00:38.43 | lulzymckillem | hey when i run lspci i get this |
| 00:38.44 | lulzymckillem | 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 05) 07:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01) |
| 00:38.54 | lulzymckillem | i cant see wifi networks |
| 00:39.16 | lulzymckillem | ive added contrib non-free to sources.list |
| 00:39.16 | ross` | this is crazy |
| 00:39.22 | ross` | as i'm removing stuff it's INSTALLING other stuf |
| 00:39.29 | ross` | i removed apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 00:39.35 | lulzymckillem | ross are you seriously still here bitching about apache?! |
| 00:39.35 | ross` | it installed apache2-mpm-itk |
| 00:39.39 | lulzymckillem | its been like 3 hours |
| 00:39.43 | ross` | lulzymckillem: not even close |
| 00:39.44 | qman__ | you have to remove apache2 at the same time |
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| 00:39.53 | qman__ | because apache2 depends on an apache2-mpm-* package |
| 00:40.01 | qman__ | it's satisfying the dep |
| 00:40.02 | james41382 | lulzymckillem, what de do you use? |
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| 00:40.43 | ross` | ugh i tried removing apache2-mpm-itk and it instaled EVERYTHING again for apache2 |
| 00:40.47 | ross` | oh god, this is not possible |
| 00:40.57 | qman__ | if you did what I said, it would have removed it |
| 00:40.58 | ross` | apt-get remove --purge apache2 apache2-mpm-itk php5 php5-cgi |
| 00:41.00 | ross` | installed apache2 |
| 00:41.02 | ross` | how is that even possible |
| 00:41.25 | qman__ | you must have another package which depends on it |
| 00:41.38 | ross` | can i do a recursive remove |
| 00:41.44 | ross` | that will show me the list of packages that it will remove |
| 00:41.50 | ross` | that include stuff that depends on it |
| 00:42.00 | lulzymckillem | james41382 - debian wheezy lxde |
| 00:42.15 | Tramp | ross`: aptitude should do that |
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| 00:42.24 | qman__ | ross`: apt-get remove --purge apache2* |
| 00:42.54 | ross` | qman__: didn't help |
| 00:43.02 | ross` | i'm trying to remove the stuff it depends on right.. |
| 00:43.06 | ross` | but then when i remove that stuff |
| 00:43.08 | ross` | it installs something else |
| 00:43.10 | ross` | that is similar |
| 00:43.13 | ross` | i mean over and over and over |
| 00:43.22 | ross` | i'm trying to do this process cleanly |
| 00:43.35 | ross` | what is the command to see every package and sub package that depends on a package |
| 00:43.41 | qman__ | if you tell it you want to remove everything it can depend on, it will tell you that it must remove additional packages which depend on it |
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| 00:43.53 | james41382 | lulzymckillem, I'm not familiar with lxde.. I use gnome and network-manager for my wifi. |
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| 00:44.41 | qman__ | ross`: apt-cache rdepends apache2.2-mpm-itk |
| 00:44.50 | qman__ | or prefork, or whichever one it's installing |
| 00:44.50 | Tramp | ross`: ok, I try one more time. What is the output of "aptitude purge apache2" |
| 00:44.55 | lulzymckillem | i fucking hate gnome so that isnt an option for me |
| 00:44.55 | james41382 | lulzymckillem, if you ip addr show do you see a device corrosponding to the wifi? |
| 00:45.10 | lulzymckillem | i cant see any networks at all |
| 00:45.10 | james41382 | fair enough.. |
| 00:45.19 | lulzymckillem | im here on ethernet |
| 00:45.23 | james41382 | not networks... do you see the device.. |
| 00:45.37 | james41382 | ie wlan0 or whatever |
| 00:45.45 | ross` | i think i finally got it working.. |
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| 00:46.10 | qman__ | lulzymckillem: dmesg | grep firmward |
| 00:46.12 | qman__ | er |
| 00:46.15 | qman__ | lulzymckillem: dmesg | grep firmware |
| 00:46.33 | qman__ | if it's missing any files, you need to install the related firmware package |
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| 00:47.18 | james41382 | yeah and often the firmware for wireless devices are not in the free repo, but you already said you add the non-free and contrib to sources i believe.. |
| 00:47.50 | qman__ | yeah, sometimes the firmware is not available in a package, particularly with newer wifi adapters |
| 00:47.51 | lulzymckillem | yes, i did |
| 00:47.55 | lulzymckillem | but nothing happens |
| 00:47.56 | ross` | okay, apache2 is fixed |
| 00:47.57 | ross` | thank god |
| 00:48.12 | ross` | i can't get squirrelmail to connect to dovecot |
| 00:48.13 | ross` | now |
| 00:48.14 | ross` | :( |
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| 00:48.23 | ross` | or is it exim4 |
| 00:48.33 | ross` | i don't remember, i can login to imap i just get this error |
| 00:48.39 | ross` | Reason Given: [SERVERBUG] Internal error occurred. Refer to server log for more information. [2014-05-24 20:47:50] |
| 00:48.51 | ross` | for my ~/Maildir inbox |
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| 00:49.25 | james41382 | lulzymckillem, if you open a terminal and type iwconfig it'll show you any networking devices and whether or not they are wireless... if you don't have a wlan0 or whatever you probably need to install the firmware for you device. |
| 00:49.48 | plasmid | i am trying to apt-get install a package but it says it is not found.. it is bitchx. What can I do to add this package? |
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| 00:50.35 | lulzymckillem | alright nothing |
| 00:50.48 | lulzymckillem | lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 00:51.08 | ross` | i'm using dovecot-imapd exim4 and squirrelmail |
| 00:51.11 | james41382 | okay so you probably simple need to install the appropriate firemware for your model. |
| 00:51.14 | ross` | it was working fine before i upgraded to wheezy |
| 00:51.23 | qman__ | plasmid: there is no debian package for that software, you will either have to compile it yourself or get someone you trust to compile it for you |
| 00:51.27 | zykotick9 | plasmid: consider irssi or weechat as alternatives to bitchx |
| 00:51.42 | plasmid | qman__ that's odd. On the site it says it is available. |
| 00:51.58 | zykotick9 | qman__: plasmid i believe bitchx has outstanding security issues... |
| 00:51.59 | qman__ | plasmid: it was, a long time ago |
| 00:52.03 | plasmid | i was hoping not to compile it.. but oh well. |
| 00:52.11 | jpinx | judd versions bitchx |
| 00:52.12 | judd | No package named 'bitchx' was found in i386. |
| 00:52.20 | lulzymckillem | im gonna try sudo apt-get insatll firmware-brcm80211 |
| 00:52.25 | plasmid | so what can I use other than bitchx? I am using Mirc right now. |
| 00:52.25 | jpinx | plasmid: ^^ |
| 00:52.45 | qman__ | plasmid: it was in debian woody 3.0, back in 2002 |
| 00:52.52 | ross` | can someone tell me what i should check? |
| 00:53.01 | james41382 | I found something with apt-cache search bitchx called pork.. |
| 00:53.10 | plasmid | qman__ i reckon it was then not considered a security issue. |
| 00:53.25 | qman__ | plasmid: I use quassel and irssi, weechat is popular and current |
| 00:53.28 | lulzymckillem | alright while that is running, ive got moar to bitch about |
| 00:53.35 | lulzymckillem | how do i turb up the the fucking sound?! |
| 00:53.40 | lulzymckillem | i mean seriously where is the button!? |
| 00:53.47 | plasmid | fast forward 12 years and it is. Oh well.. let me see weechat. |
| 00:53.52 | plasmid | thank you qman__ |
| 00:53.58 | ross` | lulzymckillem: alsamixer? |
| 00:53.58 | james41382 | likes xchat |
| 00:54.24 | lulzymckillem | hmm? |
| 00:54.34 | qman__ | ross`: checked the apache error log? I don't know where squirrelmail logs its errors, but being a web app, that'd be the first place to look |
| 00:55.04 | lulzymckillem | james can u get in pm w/ me? |
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| 00:55.44 | plasmid | oh my eyes. Weechat.... good lord. |
| 00:56.32 | qman__ | plasmid: quassel is pretty cool, it's like ZNC but more integrated, I run the quassel-core on my linode, and connect the client on my PC and android devices |
| 00:56.33 | ross` | qman__: no luck |
| 00:58.37 | plasmid | apt-get install quassel... lemmmeee see.. |
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| 00:59.15 | qman__ | the default theme isn't the prettiest but there's plenty available |
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| 01:03.23 | plasmid | i think this will do. let me see... |
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| 01:11.24 | ross` | how can i do a full services restart to see what fails/works |
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| 01:24.45 | copocaneta | has anyone here successfully set up svn2web? I have a few questions |
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| 01:26.49 | nse | hey, copocaneta, this is something i didn't do yet. just ask your questions |
| 01:27.09 | ross` | well i think most of my woes are behind me just successfully rebooted my server |
| 01:27.22 | ross` | what log files should i check to look for services that are not restarting properly? |
| 01:27.36 | ross` | is there an init.d log file |
| 01:27.40 | adamsilver | I am getting this message during installation: "The missing firmware files are: rt2860.bin rtl_nic/rtl8168e-1.fw" Where can I find these? |
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| 01:29.51 | copocaneta | nse, thanks for replying, well, I am following the svn2web guide here (http://svn2web.sourceforge.net/install.html) but I can't get past: "Add an "svn2web" property to the branch or directory that should get copied, like this example (don't forget the "." at the end of the svn propset line).", the problem is: logged in as root over ssh, the repository directory for svn won't show the directories I see at the client (obviously), so I can't understand ho |
| 01:30.30 | ross` | dpkg: security |
| 01:30.32 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 01:30.49 | ross` | thanks dpkg |
| 01:31.29 | Yoshi1 | grrr my clock keeps resetting 4 hours ahead |
| 01:31.44 | ross` | so does anyone have an answer for detecting services that havn't started |
| 01:31.48 | ross` | without going through one by one |
| 01:32.18 | Yoshi1 | you could check the services that have and see if any match the name of the one you want |
| 01:32.25 | ross` | how do i do that |
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| 01:32.33 | ross` | without manually doing it |
| 01:32.37 | ross` | does debian keep track of that stuff |
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| 01:33.19 | nse | copocaneta: although i learned some debian i stil can't help you. hope you can resolve your questions! |
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| 01:33.47 | copocaneta | nse: thanks man, no problem |
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| 01:52.05 | joeymad | anybody have experience with ALSA config working with SPDIF HDMI out? I had it working in Wheezy, dist-upgrade'd to Jessie to get Steam and now I can't get it to work. |
| 01:53.02 | zykotick9 | joeymad: for jessie specific questions, you might want to try #debian-next on the OFTC network |
| 01:53.16 | joeymad | thanks, I will look there |
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| 02:10.00 | Yoshi1 | why is my clock continually adjusting itself 4 hours ahead of what time it actually is |
| 02:10.32 | zykotick9 | Yoshi1: my "guess" would be, wrong time zone... |
| 02:10.51 | [Armand] | hwclock --systohc --local |
| 02:10.54 | Yoshi1 | zykotick9: my timezone is set to est |
| 02:10.54 | [Armand] | if timezone is set |
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| 02:11.12 | Yoshi1 | but it keeps jumping anyway |
| 02:11.29 | [Armand] | you doing it as root ? |
| 02:11.32 | [Armand] | or with sudo ? |
| 02:12.04 | Yoshi1 | [Armand]: doing wehat as root |
| 02:12.12 | Yoshi1 | i am just using the adjust date and time on the desktop clock |
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| 02:26.45 | jeffw | does anyone here use dwww on-line documentation browser? have a question about apache2 settings. somehow something is getting disabled (a2dismod) but not sure by what (because I would get an error 404 on many man pages) so when i ran a2enmod to reenable all modules i no longer get the error 404. can someone explain why? or what module fixed this? |
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| 02:27.33 | zykotick9 | jeffw: don't cross-post it's rude. is this actually a debian or ubuntu system? |
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| 02:28.28 | jeffw | debian. though i've experienced this on other derivatives before. thought maybe it was specific to these other derivatives but guess not? |
| 02:29.02 | zykotick9 | asking for support for debian in #ubuntu... good luck with that... |
| 02:29.40 | jeffw | ok. thanks. |
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| 02:30.07 | _FBi | heh |
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| 02:41.06 | peterrooney | zykotick9: it's a startling, almost refreshing, change. |
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| 02:41.41 | zykotick9 | peterrooney: heh, well it's certainly a big different - that's for sure ;) |
| 02:41.57 | zykotick9 | s/big/bit/ |
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| 03:05.24 | abrotman | wonders why idoru can't find those anymore |
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| 03:07.29 | zykotick9 | abrotman: what surprises me, while i've been seeing these links in #d all day, they don't seem to be in #ubuntu - i'd figure, that would be a better pool of people that would click on a random link? strange IMO. |
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| 03:08.53 | abrotman | zykotick9: check #freenode |
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| 03:16.12 | newbage | ok, I'm trying to do this shit for the first time |
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| 03:16.51 | peterrooney | zykotick9: abrotman: maybe the foofoo18 bot doesn't know about #u |
| 03:17.17 | newbage | is there anyone who can walk me through some of the basic stuff re:debian |
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| 03:18.08 | jmcnaught | newbage: http://debian-handbook.info/ is a pretty good place to start, and we're here if you have questions |
| 03:18.28 | zykotick9 | newbage: can you be a lot more specific? "this shit" doesn't really tell the channel anything... |
| 03:18.58 | newbage | ha |
| 03:19.01 | newbage | true |
| 03:19.11 | newbage | I'll try to be less colloquial |
| 03:19.15 | newbage | so |
| 03:19.24 | newbage | I'm trying to install on my matchbook pro |
| 03:19.32 | newbage | I found the dentifrice website |
| 03:19.57 | newbage | I've been able to install refind |
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| 03:20.45 | newbage | and I've been able to copy the correct the .iso version to my partition of interest and boot form it |
| 03:20.57 | newbage | from* |
| 03:21.17 | newbage | the only problem is it can't find an appropriate video mode |
| 03:21.30 | newbage | so I just get pixel snow |
| 03:21.53 | newbage | I've been able to locate the appropriate driver for my discrete video card |
| 03:22.19 | newbage | but I can't figure out how to load that with or before the kernal |
| 03:22.27 | newbage | and I'm stuck |
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| 03:23.49 | newbage | also, I don't know if I should write the .iso file to a usb stick with Mac Linux USB Loader or to the partition on my SSD that I want to boot debian from... |
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| 03:24.27 | newbage | anyone's opinion |
| 03:24.30 | newbage | ??? |
| 03:24.52 | abrotman | peterrooney: not likely |
| 03:26.27 | bakaneko | newbage, unetbootin |
| 03:26.49 | zykotick9 | bakaneko: unetbootin is _almost_ never a good suggestion. just sayin' |
| 03:27.19 | abrotman | bakaneko: not likely |
| 03:27.30 | abrotman | unetbootin is a broken pile of crap |
| 03:28.06 | bakaneko | anyway it works |
| 03:28.33 | abrotman | no, it doesn't |
| 03:28.35 | newbage | I'd rather go with a USB stick... |
| 03:28.37 | abrotman | don't use it, don't recommend it |
| 03:28.55 | abrotman | dpkg: tell newbage about win32diskimager |
| 03:29.11 | bakaneko | last time i used "debian-way" of writing usb stick it broke my data and didn't boot |
| 03:29.23 | abrotman | you did it wrong |
| 03:29.29 | newbage | I can get it to boot |
| 03:29.40 | bakaneko | lol. just by manual |
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| 03:29.42 | newbage | I just don't have the necessary video driver |
| 03:30.25 | zykotick9 | newbage: have you tried "nomodeset" as a boot option? |
| 03:31.39 | newbage | is that the advanced option that comes up? |
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| 03:31.53 | newbage | I've tried booting blind but I have no idea how that's supposed to work |
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| 03:33.10 | bakaneko | intall mesa driver |
| 03:33.10 | newbage | brb |
| 03:33.16 | newbage | 1 sec brb |
| 03:33.19 | newbage | sorry |
| 03:33.58 | zykotick9 | bakaneko: mesa driver? do you mean vega? how can they install anything, without being about to boot/log in? |
| 03:34.10 | zykotick9 | s/vega/vesa/ |
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| 03:34.50 | abrotman | But Vega was a great character! |
| 03:34.59 | newbage | back |
| 03:35.44 | newbage | so, mesa something? |
| 03:36.22 | jmcnaught | the wheezy download page has some notes about possible graphics corruption during install on UEFI amd64 systems.. it recommends workaround of switching off UEFI using "legacy bios" or "fallback mode" |
| 03:37.08 | newbage | right, so, I've only been able to boot from fallback mode |
| 03:37.29 | newbage | but it still says that there's no suitable video mode and gives me pixel snow |
| 03:38.30 | newbage | I've downloaded the correct video driver but all the instructions that I've found talk about installing it from a booted kernel |
| 03:39.01 | newbage | I have found this website: https://dentifrice.poivron.org/laptops/macbookpro8,2/ |
| 03:39.14 | newbage | if you search for the text "Or, you can do the contrary, and boot using the radeon driver." |
| 03:39.43 | bakaneko | newbage, check elementary OS |
| 03:39.45 | newbage | the following section has a useful way to boot for my precise setup... I just can't figure out what it means |
| 03:39.52 | zykotick9 | bakaneko: OMG |
| 03:40.02 | newbage | bakaneko, I'll google it |
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| 03:41.16 | zykotick9 | newbage: fyi, Elementary OS, is some ubuntu derivative... why it was suggested in #debian, is beyond me. i'd be _very_ careful with suggestions coming from bakaneko |
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| 03:41.40 | newbage | I was actually checking for exactly that |
| 03:41.45 | newbage | good to know |
| 03:41.52 | newbage | I am looking for a debian distro to be sure |
| 03:42.16 | newbage | thanks anyway, bakaneko |
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| 03:43.16 | newbage | can anyone mak sense of what I'm supposed to do re: the dentifrice website's instructions? |
| 03:43.20 | newbage | make* |
| 03:43.31 | newbage | https://dentifrice.poivron.org/laptops/macbookpro8,2/ |
| 03:43.46 | newbage | search for the text "Or, you can do the contrary, and boot using the radeon driver." and read the following section |
| 03:44.17 | newbage | I know that has the correct info for me but I can't make any sense of it |
| 03:46.54 | newbage | I can't honestly understand the following three bulletpoints |
| 03:47.08 | newbage | you'll need to boot in BIOS emulation mode and dump useful bits of the memory so the GPU has access to them in EFI mode when there's no BIOS to ask such things; to do so, I booted in BIOS emulation mode using the same Ubuntu alternate installer, dropped to a shell as soon as possible (you can't get very far anyways, for the CD drive fails to be detected after booting), mounted my boot partition, and issued the following commands: |
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| 03:47.41 | newbage | dd if=/dev/mem of=/boot/int10.bin bs=4 skip=16 count=1 |
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| 03:47.54 | newbage | you'll need a radeon bios kernel patch that allows to load vbios.bin from the kernel at bootup, in addition to some non-free firmware (which you can get through the firmware-linux-nonfree package in Debian); |
| 03:48.09 | newbage | you'll need to compile the radeon driver, framebuffer, as well as extra firmware blobs — namely the /lib/firmware/radeon/TURKS* files, as well as vbios.bin which you will have copied to this location — into the kernel; |
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| 03:48.13 | newbage | what does this mean?? |
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| 03:49.43 | bakaneko | means that windows can manage these things better that linux |
| 03:50.20 | newbage | that's not very helpful, bakaneko |
| 03:50.26 | newbage | thanks though |
| 03:50.44 | newbage | I'm looking for what to do |
| 03:51.00 | bakaneko | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.13 | newbage | yup |
| 03:51.21 | newbage | that's what I'm trying to figure out... |
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| 03:51.48 | michaelgamble | hello |
| 03:51.51 | michaelgamble | anyone here? |
| 03:51.55 | newbage | yep |
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| 03:52.09 | jmcnaught | newbage: i agree that is pretty confusing. unfortunatley i've never had to deal with UEFI yet. I did note that the dentrifice page you linked to seems to be written before Wheezy was released as stable, so it's possibly out of date in some details |
| 03:52.11 | michaelgamble | i have debian wheezy installed, and i need a low impact gui text editor |
| 03:52.22 | michaelgamble | which one would you recommend |
| 03:52.48 | jmcnaught | michaelgamble: gedit is good. leafpad is very minimal. there are lots to choose from. |
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| 03:53.30 | michaelgamble | i was hoping for something tiny in file size |
| 03:53.32 | newbage | well, I'm only referencing it because I can't get a usable video mode when I boot the latest amd64 iso of debian |
| 03:53.43 | sideup66 | hello room |
| 03:53.45 | zykotick9 | michaelgamble: check nedit perhaps? |
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| 03:53.54 | michaelgamble | is that a gui one? |
| 03:53.59 | zykotick9 | yes |
| 03:54.00 | sideup66 | hello room |
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| 03:54.03 | newbage | so, I'm out of date either way |
| 03:54.17 | skilz | HOw do I edit grub to make windows boot first? |
| 03:54.28 | newbage | I need to figure out how to patch with that video driver |
| 03:54.29 | michaelgamble | thats awesome |
| 03:54.30 | jmcnaught | newbage: are you using a 7.5 iso? |
| 03:54.32 | michaelgamble | teeny tiny file size |
| 03:54.53 | newbage | jmcnaught, that's correct |
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| 03:55.17 | sideup66 | does anyone know how to properly go about disabling ping from external ip on debian, i have a ssh box on the default port, which long story short i didnt know the issues of running default port til i deployed it, and already installed fail2ban with permanent and temporary jails. I just would like to know how to tweak the system to ignore ping, as im curious if that will help quiet the pounding on it as well |
| 03:55.47 | jmcnaught | newbage: is it just the initial screen that is corrupted when you boot the installer? If you press enter does it bring you to something more useful. Not sure I completely understand |
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| 03:56.08 | abrotman | sideup66: google "iptables block icmp", good luck |
| 03:56.18 | lunaticedit | Is there a way to install and run Debian directly from a thumb drive? |
| 03:56.26 | abrotman | yes |
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| 03:56.40 | sideup66 | abrotman, i was trying to do it in sysctl but it didnt like the string i was giving it |
| 03:56.49 | sideup66 | unless i setup the temp command to run at reboot |
| 03:56.50 | zykotick9 | lunaticedit: you'd need two. you can't both run the installer, and install onto the same one... |
| 03:56.50 | abrotman | sideup66: well, that's silly |
| 03:56.53 | newbage | jmcnaught, I can boot using the fallback |
| 03:56.59 | sideup66 | abrot, why? |
| 03:57.13 | lunaticedit | aww, guess not.. I'll just run it in a VM then.. my CD drive isn't working on my iMac and I don't want to risk screwing up the partitions |
| 03:57.14 | newbage | after choosing to boot the iso, it indicates that there is no usable video mode |
| 03:57.18 | newbage | and I just get pixel snow |
| 03:57.31 | abrotman | sideup66: I gave you the term to google, good luck |
| 03:57.40 | newbage | from the research I've done it seems to be due to missing the appropriate video driver |
| 03:57.45 | sideup66 | i know this, i mean i was doing that previously |
| 03:57.56 | newbage | so, that's why I'm trying to figure out how to patch with that driver |
| 03:58.23 | jmcnaught | newbage: please stop pressing enter so much, it's getting hard to follow you |
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| 03:58.42 | newbage | jmcnaught, will do |
| 04:00.13 | sideup66 | hmmm abrotman |
| 04:00.14 | sideup66 | found somthing |
| 04:00.21 | sideup66 | with rules to add to iptables |
| 04:00.46 | newbage | jmcnaught, I can boot using the fallback... after choosing to boot the iso, it indicates that there is no usable video mode... and I just get pixel snow... from the research I've done it seems to be due to missing the appropriate video driver... so, that's why I'm trying to figure out how to patch with that driver |
| 04:00.59 | sideup66 | welp |
| 04:01.02 | sideup66 | looks like that isnt worth it |
| 04:01.07 | sideup66 | just tried over web with utility |
| 04:01.14 | sideup66 | my router does it automagically ;) |
| 04:01.59 | jmcnaught | newbage: okay, so you never get to the text mode installer then? no prompt of any kind? are you asking how to patch the driver that's on the boot ISO? |
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| 04:03.24 | jmcnaught | sideup66: you could always try testing the commands on a computer at home before using them on a remote server. If you run a server it's definitely worth spending some time learning how to use iptables. |
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| 04:03.45 | sideup66 | not sure however, if there is a way to aim at a port, if so i guess it might be worth it |
| 04:03.57 | sideup66 | jmcnaught, its nothing fancy, just a home system and its behind a home router |
| 04:04.10 | sideup66 | which just forwards the ports needed for its web services (sftp/ssh) |
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| 04:04.18 | sideup66 | other stuff is only local |
| 04:04.42 | sideup66 | so of course,ports arent forwarded |
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| 04:05.24 | jmcnaught | sideup66: if you're finding iptables a little intimidating, you could try using a frontend like "ufw" that manages iptables for you. also please stop pressing enter so much, it makes the channel difficult to follow. pretend like each time you press enter it's a text message that costs $2 |
| 04:05.56 | sideup66 | sorry jmc, i tend to make broken messages often :/ bad habit, i know |
| 04:06.06 | abrotman | jmcnaught: it's not that .. it's just that blocking icmp is useless |
| 04:06.37 | jmcnaught | abrotman: yeah i don't do it myself, but i do like to encourage people to learn about the systems they're using :) |
| 04:06.44 | abrotman | and as sideup66 already pointed out .. his SoHo router blocks it already |
| 04:06.46 | sideup66 | I already have fail2ban installed and configured, and it does a nice job booting evil connections, i just wanted to see if there was a way to quiet things a bit more |
| 04:06.59 | abrotman | sideup66: chnage the ssh port if you're that worried |
| 04:07.23 | abrotman | otherwise, accept that blocking the ssh port will only keep out bots, not actual smart people |
| 04:07.32 | jmcnaught | sideup66: you could also disable password authentication in sshd and only use keys, that makes it a lot safer too |
| 04:07.39 | aidalgol | Does Debian's stock kernel already come with features that make PaX redundant, or would users gain something by building the Debian kernel with PaX applied? All I've been able to find on this is a debian-kernel thread from 2004 <https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2004/07/msg00216.html> and a messy How-To thread from last year on the User Forums <http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=108616>. |
| 04:07.52 | abrotman | 2004? really? |
| 04:07.59 | aidalgol | yes, really |
| 04:08.05 | sideup66 | abrot, i see, so not much more can be done apart frommoving ports |
| 04:08.26 | aidalgol | If it's been revisited since, I haven't found the thread. |
| 04:08.28 | abrotman | aidalgol: perhaps you want to look at selinux? |
| 04:08.42 | abrotman | aidalgol: I'm saying Pax is woefully outdated |
| 04:09.03 | aidalgol | abrotman: I have; it solves different problems. |
| 04:09.04 | abrotman | aidalgol: selinux and/or grsec |
| 04:09.11 | sideup66 | abrot, im aware, i have nothing there worth breaking into for (money wise$) mainly just bots hitting it anyway |
| 04:09.19 | abrotman | aidalgol: for instance, grsec includes pax |
| 04:09.23 | aidalgol | ah |
| 04:09.24 | sideup66 | if a smart person wants in, theyll get in |
| 04:09.28 | abrotman | sideup66: seriously .. abrot<tab> .. learn how to IRC |
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| 04:09.50 | jmcnaught | sideup66: read up on SSH keys and disable password authentication is what i recommend |
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| 04:11.22 | aidalgol | abrotman: ah, thanks |
| 04:11.36 | abrotman | aidalgol: feel better now ? |
| 04:11.39 | jmcnaught | aidalgol: apparmor might also be worth looking into |
| 04:11.50 | aidalgol | abrotman: about what? |
| 04:11.56 | sideup66 | abrotman: not too familiar, irc is a bit new, can use it, not overly knowledgeable to know shortcuts |
| 04:12.38 | aidalgol | jmcnaught: I have looked at various MAC implementations, and I think a MAC is overkill for my situation. |
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| 04:12.53 | sideup66 | jmcnaught: i know, i have strong passwords though, no root login |
| 04:13.46 | sideup66 | jmcnaught: couple other things too which arent coming to me, but a locked down config and fail2ban, now that i think, only one user is allowed to shell interactively... |
| 04:13.52 | sideup66 | rest are ssh |
| 04:13.55 | sideup66 | i mean sftp |
| 04:14.10 | jmcnaught | sideup66: well using SSH keys is not that difficult to get started with. and in addition to being more secure, it's a more pleasant experience |
| 04:14.29 | sideup66 | hm, i believe ive read how it only allows certain devices to connect |
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| 04:15.38 | aidalgol | sideup66: SSH keys are also waaaay more intractable to crack. |
| 04:16.19 | aidalgol | Assuming the cipher itself isn't broken, an attacker would have to get a hold of your private key to have a hope in hell. |
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| 04:16.37 | sideup66 | lol i use grc passwords, those nightmares will take a supercomputer... i dont think a botnet is getting em, also a non default sounding username on the box... and only HE can use the shell, rest go into sftp in a jailed folder with access permissions to each acct |
| 04:16.48 | aidalgol | grc? |
| 04:17.06 | lunaticedit | OK weird problem.. running Debian in VirtualBox. I installed guest additions and 3d works (glxgears reports 500fps), but for some reason if I open firefox the screen blacks out if i'm in full screen mode |
| 04:17.20 | ross` | i need vim with +python flag |
| 04:17.25 | lunaticedit | chrome does it SOMETIMES... exiting and re-entering full-screen mode usually works.. When the screen blacks out sometimes the browser is still visible at least |
| 04:17.29 | ross` | is there a package for this? or do i have to compile from source |
| 04:17.33 | jmcnaught | ross`: install vim-nox |
| 04:17.47 | ross` | thanks |
| 04:18.17 | sideup66 | aidalgol: do you even password? https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm |
| 04:18.20 | sideup66 | yup |
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| 04:19.36 | ross` | do i have to run vim-nox or something |
| 04:19.58 | ross` | oh wow |
| 04:20.02 | ross` | i got a nasty nasty error |
| 04:20.02 | jmcnaught | sideup66: well you can also lock your ssh key with a password, so an attacker would need your private key *and* the password to unlock it. you don't need to follow our advice, but i promise you"ll like it better |
| 04:20.22 | sideup66 | jmcnaught: ill keep it in mind :) |
| 04:20.29 | ross` | http://scpb.in/vim-nox |
| 04:20.31 | ross` | halp |
| 04:20.32 | ross` | dpkd |
| 04:20.33 | ross` | dpkg |
| 04:20.45 | jmcnaught | ross`: please stop pressing enter so much |
| 04:21.18 | ross` | apparently i ruined my ldconfig? i just recently did a dist-upgrade |
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| 04:21.43 | sideup66 | right now my user setup is preset passwords with those uber ones that do auto login, not bad |
| 04:22.57 | ross` | sideup66: looks like an NSA honeypot to me recording your ip address and the passwords it gave you :D |
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| 04:23.48 | ross` | can someone help me fix my build environment here? |
| 04:23.48 | jmcnaught | ross`: not sure what's going on there. did you add a new repository to sources.list before doing dist-upgrade? did you remove stuff and ignore warnings? |
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| 04:24.09 | ross` | jmcnaught: i did some remove --purge a few times to fix apache2 |
| 04:24.21 | Jeeves_Moss | I'm having some serious issues with my wvdial.conf file. What are the steps to get to the AT+CGDCONF line? |
| 04:24.34 | ross` | i simply did s/squeeze/wheezy/g on my sources.list |
| 04:24.54 | ross` | then did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgade |
| 04:26.37 | jmcnaught | ross`: maybe it's an issue with $PATH environment variable? have you checked if /sbin/ldconfig exists? |
| 04:27.14 | ross` | anyway nvm on that |
| 04:27.22 | ross` | i tried doing it with sudo |
| 04:27.24 | ross` | which should work |
| 04:27.29 | ross` | but then i ran it as root directly |
| 04:27.31 | ross` | and it worked |
| 04:27.36 | jmcnaught | !enter |
| 04:27.37 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 04:27.55 | ross` | sorry! |
| 04:28.31 | Jeeves_Moss | jmcnaught, are you any good with wvdial? |
| 04:28.58 | jmcnaught | Jeeves_Moss: sorry no I've never used it. are you doing dialup or DSL? |
| 04:29.15 | Jeeves_Moss | jmcnaught, it's actually an unlocked 3G modem |
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| 04:33.47 | jmcnaught | Jeeves_Moss: well unfortunately I've never used one. Does it work with NetworkManager? |
| 04:34.11 | Jeeves_Moss | jmcnaught, this is an embedded device (Beagle Bone), so CLI only. |
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| 04:36.27 | wols_ | network manager runs on CLI too last I checked (long time ago) |
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| 04:50.33 | Arahael | How might I resolve this issue? |
| 04:50.33 | Arahael | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.55 | Arahael | I'm using wheezy-backports, and it seems that handbrake requires a slightly older libdvdread4 package. |
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| 04:52.15 | jmcnaught | Arahael: is handbrake in wheezy-backports? i don't see it there. |
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| 04:53.03 | jmcnaught | Arahael: my mistake |
| 04:53.38 | Arahael | jmcnaught: You had me worried for a moment. :) |
| 04:54.24 | wols_ | ,v libdvdread4 |
| 04:54.25 | judd | Package: libdvdread4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.1.3-10; wheezy: 4.2.0+20120521-2; jessie: 4.2.1-2; sid: 4.2.1-2 |
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| 04:55.10 | Arahael | I'm specifically using cdn.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports |
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| 04:56.16 | Arahael | Hmm, looks like my interpretation was wrong, handbrake requires a slightly _newer_ libdvdread4. |
| 04:56.32 | Arahael | But that doesn't help me much, |
| 04:56.45 | jmcnaught | Arahael: it looks to me like the handbrake in backports might be broken? |
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| 04:58.35 | Arahael | Does look that way. Is there another recommendation for a ripping tool (with subtitles) in wheezy? |
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| 04:59.22 | james41382 | I installed handbrake.. but it's from the debian multimedia repo I think... |
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| 05:02.43 | Arahael | james41382: Yes, my past attempt was with debian multimedia, which worked fine - they're usually a last resort for me though./ |
| 05:02.51 | Arahael | I'm wondering if I should consider upgrading to jessie. |
| 05:03.02 | Arahael | (Only for handbrake) |
| 05:03.19 | james41382 | Oh just donwload it from the handbrake website |
| 05:03.22 | james41382 | or* |
| 05:03.46 | james41382 | upgrade to jessie just to get a program to rip dvds? |
| 05:04.00 | grok | i saw handbrake listed in new software, but it wants to uninstall vlc, which just ain't gonna happen. |
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| 05:04.17 | james41382 | grok, Why no vlc? |
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| 05:05.11 | Arahael | james41382: I do want to be able to rip dvd's. Or more precisely, to be able to play them via wifi on my laptop that does not have a cd or dvd drive. |
| 05:05.20 | grok | james41382: dunno, synaptic wants to uninstall vlc in order to install handbrake. |
| 05:05.32 | Jeeves_Moss | what is the proper channel to get help with modem AT commands? |
| 05:05.35 | Arahael | grok: Probably to satisfy the libdvdnav4 dependency? |
| 05:06.00 | grok | Arahael: yes, i think so. |
| 05:06.43 | james41382 | Arahael, yeah I do that at home too... I ripped all stuff on my windows desktop. I like the windows media player dlna/upnp service. |
| 05:07.11 | Arahael | james41382: Any good resources for that? (Although, in my case, it'll be vlc on mac os x) |
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| 05:09.43 | james41382 | Arahael, I use handbrake to rip the dvds and then I just turned on media sharing on my windows desktop. Pretty simple, but I use mp4 because my ps3 doesn't support mkvs. So no subtitles with mp4s... not with most dlna/upnp equipped embedded devices anyhow. |
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| 05:10.09 | james41382 | I tried mediatomb on debian first, but I guess it's not maintained and I was having trouble getting it going smoothly. |
| 05:10.19 | aypea[3] | trying to modify a script run in dash. wish to do a find -print0 and have the output of that delt with by a while loop. is there a way to get "read" (or equiv) to terminate on \0 or do I need to switch to bash for that? |
| 05:10.49 | james41382 | aypea[3], try #bash? |
| 05:10.49 | jmcnaught | Arahael: have you tried Arista? |
| 05:10.55 | Arahael | Looks to be caused by bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688574 |
| 05:11.01 | Arahael | checks out Arista... |
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| 05:11.15 | Arahael | jmcnaught: Which Arista do you mean? |
| 05:11.19 | aypea[3] | james41382: well it's actually a dash question. I know I can do it in bash (and how). not sure they'll like questions for other shells there :) |
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| 05:11.52 | james41382 | ahh i see... they typically answer question about bash or sh or dash isn't a big stretch. |
| 05:11.52 | jmcnaught | Arahael: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/arista |
| 05:12.15 | Arahael | aypea[3]: They would surely allow questions that pertain to their sh compatibility. |
| 05:12.52 | Arahael | jmcnaught: Appears to be a mostly frontend tool for gstreamer. |
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| 05:13.12 | aypea[3] | Arahael: well it's not a question about bash's compatibility with sh. :) (I seem to be breaking minds with this :) it's a question about dash's capabilities. :) |
| 05:13.29 | aypea[3] | james41382: I'll go poke them gently if I can't get a useful answer here, then. |
| 05:13.52 | Arahael | aypea[3]: Why would you use non-sh functionality in dash? |
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| 05:15.00 | aypea[3] | Arahael: "safety first". I prefer null terminated strings if I am to loop over a directory listing. |
| 05:15.20 | Arahael | jmcnaught: I notice that they have "thoggen', though, however it doesn't support subtitles with is a bit of a killer for me. |
| 05:15.59 | Arahael | aypea[3]: That's orthogonal to sh-compatibility. |
| 05:16.29 | aypea[3] | Arahael: it's not, actually. if sh compatible shells wont let me do that then I'll go non-sh-compatible. |
| 05:16.55 | Arahael | aypea[3]: sh actually tend to use IFS, but I forget the incantation. |
| 05:17.55 | jmcnaught | Arahael: hmmm... it's been a while since i ripped a DVD. There is a dvdbackup package that you might be able to use in tandem with a transcoding tool. Looks like Wheezy is a little light on the DVD ripping tools side of things |
| 05:18.06 | aypea[3] | Arahael: hmm. *goes to look* |
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| 05:19.13 | Arahael | jmcnaught: That's thoggen. :/ |
| 05:19.38 | Arahael | In any case, it looks like I'm limited to using handbrake. |
| 05:19.56 | Arahael | aypea[3]: I don't know if it's helpful, but a google search revealed http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/filenames-in-shell.html |
| 05:20.11 | Arahael | aypea[3]: Point 7 there looks insightful. |
| 05:20.40 | Arahael | aypea[3]: (Specifically, the encodef program) |
| 05:21.01 | jmcnaught | Arahael: i don't think this is thoggen but you might be right: http://dvdbackup.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:21.41 | aypea[3] | Arahael: yowsers. I may as well just use bash. :) |
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| 05:22.16 | Arahael | jmcnaught: Sadly, no mention of subtitles. :( |
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| 05:25.27 | Arahael | Looks like I might be able to use vlc itself for ripping. |
| 05:26.01 | james41382 | Why don't you want to use handbrake? |
| 05:26.14 | Arahael | james41382: Because it doesn't work. |
| 05:26.23 | james41382 | on debian? |
| 05:26.29 | Arahael | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.42 | james41382 | is confused |
| 05:27.04 | Arahael | So yeah, it's broken in wheezy (from wheezy-backports) |
| 05:27.10 | jmcnaught | james41382: some people don't like to use third party repositories |
| 05:27.25 | james41382 | Oh I see.. security and all. |
| 05:27.46 | Arahael | I think I'll just try it using multimedia afterall. :( |
| 05:27.56 | aypea[3] | Arahael: btw. thanks for the assist. I've decided to go with bash. too much effort was going into sh compatibility that, in the end, wasn't required (it simply had nice-to-have status). |
| 05:28.20 | jmcnaught | Arahael: it does look like handbrake was just added to backports recently, so maybe it'll get fixed soon |
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| 05:28.24 | Arahael | aypea[3]: You could always pipe it straight through to a tool that does support it. |
| 05:28.47 | Arahael | jmcnaught: So maybe I should try again in a week? |
| 05:28.53 | Arahael | still needs to locate libdvdcss |
| 05:29.07 | jmcnaught | Arahael: yeah, or file a bug maybe |
| 05:30.17 | aypea[3] | Arahael: that made me think of xargs. I could use it but there are side-effects due to process barriers (variables for eg) that I don't think I want. bash solution is simpler. |
| 05:31.19 | Arahael | aypea[3]: You could also use -exec in find itself. |
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| 05:32.20 | aypea[3] | Arahael: ahh, yes. same issues as using xargs, really. |
| 05:38.41 | Arahael | aypea[3]: Not really. |
| 05:38.52 | Arahael | aypea[3]: Depends on how you quote it. |
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| 07:17.38 | Guest97907 | Hi. I am trying to change console resolution with grub. Gfx mode or payload settings are not working. I change them in /etc/defaults/grub file and then commit grub-update. Am I doing something wrong? I am running GS as a virtual machine. |
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| 07:18.14 | Guest97907 | GS stands for gnusense but it's practically debian. |
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| 07:19.14 | wols_ | !based on debian |
| 07:19.14 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 07:32.05 | dpkg | gNewSense GNU/Linux is an operating system previously based on <Ubuntu>, now <based on debian> without most non-free software/firmware/binary-only blobs, but with <GFDL>-licensed documentation. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.gnewsense.org/ #gnewsense on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 10:22.43 | miss0r | after last update my evolution mail client stopped working; I have no folders in the column to the left. I have been reading alot on google to try'n figure out what to do, but it seems nothing works. Do you guys have a suggestion? |
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| 10:30.55 | mjt | Hello. I once installed AdobeAcrobat, as user, into /tmp/something, just to view one questionable pdf file. Later on I removed /tmp/something. But since that, every time I click a .pdf file in nautilus, in iceweasel, etc, it tries to run /tmp/something/acroread and fails. How can I stop it? |
| 10:31.54 | mjt | searching for "Adobe Reader" in ~/.config does not reveal anything |
| 10:32.05 | SynrG | .local/share or so |
| 10:32.22 | SynrG | ~/.local/share/applications |
| 10:32.22 | apt | rumour has it, /.local/share/applications is pretty standard |
| 10:32.28 | mjt | aha. ~/.local/share/applications/AdobeReader.desktop |
| 10:32.34 | SynrG | yeah |
| 10:32.35 | mjt | i forgot about ~/.local |
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| 10:32.40 | babilen | mjt: You might also have to edit the respective "open with" / "preferred applications" settings in your DE/browser/... |
| 10:32.54 | mjt | where's that stored? :) |
| 10:33.04 | SynrG | where we just found it :) |
| 10:33.30 | mjt | yay. after removing that file it all started working :) |
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| 10:33.53 | babilen | pesky acroread |
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| 10:34.31 | thanosme | hello. how can i create an iso image from a folder? |
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| 10:36.43 | wols_ | thanosme: with mkisofs for example |
| 10:36.46 | mjt | heh. Not that it's debian-specific, but... After finally being able to open this "Plextor SSD firmware update manual" I found out that they distribute a bootable .iso which should be burned into a cd-rom and booted. I wonder how to do that on a cdrom-drive-less laptop ;) |
| 10:36.50 | wols_ | or probably any burning program |
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| 10:36.56 | unsinged_ | I'm trying to install valgrind but it tells me that it depends on libc6-dbg and that it is not goind to be installed. If I try to install libc6-dbg it tells me that it depends on libc6 and that the version 2.18-4 is going to be installed while dpkg -s tells me I have libc6 v2.18-4 installed. I have tried to clean/autoclean/autoremove/update/fix-broken multiple times but nothing works. Please help me before I hang myself with my et |
| 10:37.09 | wols_ | mjt: by using grub2. it can boot ISOs |
| 10:37.26 | wols_ | ,v libc6 |
| 10:37.27 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u1; jessie: 2.18-7; sid: 2.18-7; experimental: 2.19-0experimental0 |
| 10:37.28 | SynrG | unsinged_: busted apt policy? |
| 10:37.39 | thanosme | wols_: do you know the package name for mkisofs? |
| 10:37.41 | SynrG | unsinged_: sounds like you are mixing releases, which you should never do |
| 10:37.43 | wols_ | unsinged_: fix your debian first before installing new stuff |
| 10:37.58 | mjt | wols_: actually that's a very fun suggestion. That .iso has syslinux on it, with bootdisk.img of size 1.44 ;) |
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| 10:38.21 | unsinged_ | SynrG: I have only wheezy repositories in source.list but I may have installed packages from a different version... How to spot them? |
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| 10:38.59 | SynrG | unsinged_: "may have"? if you've been that sloppy administering your system, you may want to start fresh, paying more attention this time. |
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| 10:39.27 | SynrG | !downgrade |
| 10:39.28 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 10:40.02 | SynrG | the only 100% reliable way of going back is to do a clean install. |
| 10:40.14 | wols_ | thanosme: seems you need genisoimage nowadays. sorry. |
| 10:40.51 | SynrG | or alternatively: |
| 10:40.55 | SynrG | v xorriso |
| 10:41.04 | SynrG | ,v xorriso |
| 10:41.06 | judd | Package: xorriso on i386 -- squeeze: 0.5.6.pl00-2; wheezy: 1.2.2-2; jessie: 1.3.2-1; sid: 1.3.2-1 |
| 10:41.42 | thanosme | ok found it. many thnks |
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| 10:42.52 | SynrG | xorriso has superior hybrid image capabilities |
| 10:42.58 | unsinged_ | SynrG: I indeed installed libc6 from jessie, but that's the only one |
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| 10:43.31 | SynrG | unsinged_: then you can try downgrading that one with apt-get install libc6=2.13-38+deb7u1 |
| 10:43.37 | SynrG | good luck |
| 10:43.47 | wols_ | unsinged_: that is nonsense. the only reason why you install libc6 from jessie is for getting some other program which needs it to run. a common case is Steam for example |
| 10:44.17 | wols_ | but no one wakes up one day and declares "I now install a newer libc6 cause Mr. Drepper did awesome work on the latest one" |
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| 10:44.19 | SynrG | that's my suspicion. but he can try and see :) |
| 10:44.19 | unsinged_ | wols_: that was about it, I wanted to try to upgrade my GPU drivers, but it failed |
| 10:44.48 | SynrG | so try downgrading it. if nothing depends on it, problem solved ... |
| 10:45.02 | SynrG | (e.g. if you already removed your failed attempt at installing something else) |
| 10:45.41 | unsinged_ | SynrG: I think I didn't as 21 packages will be removed |
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| 10:46.03 | SynrG | so yeah, you're screwed |
| 10:46.14 | SynrG | reinstall time. and don't do that next time. |
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| 10:46.53 | unsinged_ | SynrG: 'k, thanks for the help :) |
| 10:47.00 | SynrG | (see above "downgrade" factoid for why, even if you could identify all the packages to downgrade, it doesn't work) |
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| 10:59.13 | jimcooncat | hi, I'm making a nautilus script to copy the contents of a text file to the Gnome clipboard using xclip. Is there a binary-safe cat command I can use that would prevent me from copying bad stuff if I accidently used this on a binary file? |
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| 11:02.05 | SynrG | jimcooncat: couldn't you modify your script to use 'file' to identify the file first? |
| 11:02.33 | jimcooncat | SynrG: That's a good idea! thanks much |
| 11:02.55 | SynrG | of course, there are a wide variety of file types that could be considered "text" |
| 11:03.11 | SynrG | "ASCII text" and "UTF-8 Unicode text" are only two |
| 11:03.58 | jimcooncat | It's not perfect but it will help a lot |
| 11:04.05 | SynrG | jimcooncat: but just searching the result for "text" is probably good enough |
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| 11:04.17 | SynrG | e.g. export.html: HTML document, ASCII text |
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| 11:09.07 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 11:09.21 | ZenWalker | for the command loginctl, what package I need ? |
| 11:10.40 | babilen | systemd-logind |
| 11:10.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell ZenWalker -about apt-file |
| 11:11.40 | babilen | ZenWalker: Err, it is in the systemd package. |
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| 11:14.11 | ZenWalker | babilen: thanks |
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| 11:40.22 | Arahael | What's the recommended paste tool? |
| 11:40.27 | Arahael | Still pastebinit? |
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| 11:42.41 | _abc_ | Does anyone know what version numbers Lenny and Etch were? I am going insane with the disconnect between version name and number. Please? |
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| 11:48.02 | abrotman | dpkg: tell _abc_ about version history |
| 11:48.16 | abrotman | dpkg: tell _abc_ about release history |
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| 11:50.22 | _abc_ | thanks |
| 11:50.42 | _abc_ | Is debian-mips on topic here? |
| 11:51.01 | n-st | can i check which modules an initramfs contains? |
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| 11:53.20 | nashant | Hey guys. Can anyone help me with my resize2fs problem? |
| 11:53.48 | abrotman | _abc_: you can try |
| 11:53.54 | abrotman | nashant: need more details |
| 11:54.09 | nashant | I'm trying to shrink a 6TB LVM volume to 4TB, there's only 3.3TB on the partition |
| 11:54.14 | Arahael | So, update on ripping dvd's in debian wheezy: Still crap. (handbrake is broken, and vlc can't seem to convert the audio into whatever it is mpeg4 needs), haven't tried debian multimedia yet though. |
| 11:54.21 | _abc_ | Specifically debian-mips for mips64 cpus as seen in some appliances like set top boxes and so on |
| 11:54.39 | nashant | It gives the error "Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to resize" |
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| 11:55.00 | nashant | I run e2fsck -fy, but it doesn't report any errors. Just 1.2% fragmentation |
| 11:55.10 | nashant | well |
| 11:55.14 | nashant | 1.2% non-contiguous |
| 11:55.17 | Arahael | _abc_: Do they run debian? I thought they had their own firmware. |
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| 11:57.24 | nashant | Anyone got any ideas? |
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| 11:59.12 | mentor | nashant: Did you shrink the filesystem before shrinking the logical volume |
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| 11:59.40 | mentor | ? |
| 11:59.49 | nashant | mentor, that's where it's failing. I'm trying to shrink the filesystem first but getting that error and being told to run e2fsck -fy |
| 12:00.49 | nashant | A little more info, I was trying to shrink from 6.3TB to 4TB and got the same error, but going from 6.3 to 6 worked fine |
| 12:01.08 | nashant | I'm currently trying to shrink to 5TB |
| 12:01.32 | Arahael | nashant: I haven't done this before, but is tar''ing it all up and then restoring it an option? |
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| 12:01.42 | abrotman | wonders if 3.3 isn't really 3.3 |
| 12:02.15 | nashant | Arahael: I'm not sure how much it will help. It's all movies and tv |
| 12:02.24 | nashant | abrotman...? |
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| 12:02.40 | nashant | 3.3 is definitely 3.3 |
| 12:02.42 | mentor | nashant: Presumably no IO errors in the kernel log? |
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| 12:03.30 | _abc_ | Arahael: Many 'embedded' distributions are based on Debian with busybox or without. |
| 12:03.49 | Arahael | _abc_: Good to know :) |
| 12:03.58 | _abc_ | Arahael: Also these boxes are not small, typically 128MB ram and up and close to 1GHz multi core cpus. |
| 12:04.14 | nashant | mentor: Ah! I didn't dmesg. Idiot. IO error on sdb |
| 12:04.16 | Arahael | So on-par with my phone. |
| 12:04.32 | _abc_ | Arahael: Probably faster than your phone and they do not waste mips on animations. |
| 12:04.38 | _abc_ | They are headless. |
| 12:05.14 | mentor | nashant: "short read" definitely sounded like a low-level error |
| 12:05.17 | Arahael | But also specialised. :) |
| 12:05.44 | mentor | And, of course, the other resize succeeded because it didn't hit the bad blocks |
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| 12:06.51 | _abc_ | Arahael: Not really. Besides L3 and up acceleration in hw they are pretty plain nix boxes. |
| 12:06.54 | tremon | Arahael: if you don't fear the cli, I've had good results ripping dvd's with transcode |
| 12:07.09 | Arahael | tremon: Does it support subtitles? |
| 12:07.27 | nashant | mentor: mind having a look at this? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/81e8ae595c7b4b4bfc06 |
| 12:07.35 | nashant | I'm not really sure what I'm looking for |
| 12:07.39 | nashant | Or how to fix it |
| 12:07.48 | Arahael | tremon: Also, what command do you use? :) |
| 12:07.53 | Arahael | tremon: I'll copy it... |
| 12:07.58 | nashant | I'm assuming I need to mark those blocks as bad or something so that it doesn't try and use them |
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| 12:08.19 | tremon | in what way? Yes, it can extract subtitle tracks; no, it doesn't do subtitle conversion or do the overlay, you'll still have a multi-track file after the rip |
| 12:08.52 | Arahael | tremon: Extraction would be sufficient. The overlay would be awesome, but I can live with just extraction. |
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| 12:11.11 | tremon | Arahael: the basic command I use is tccat -i /dev/sr0 | tcdemux -A 0xe0,0x80,0x20 > $outfile which extracts the video track, first audio track and first subtitle track |
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| 12:11.33 | Arahael | tremon: Sweet, let me give that a go. |
| 12:11.54 | Arahael | tremon: What video format does it produce? |
| 12:12.42 | tremon | it doesn't convert anything. It produces an mpeg-2 container with the exact data that was on the dvd. I simply feed that data to mkvmerge |
| 12:13.08 | tremon | so I end up with a single mkv container with the original dvd streams |
| 12:13.13 | Arahael | tremon: That will give me 12GB+ files. Also that command doesn't work, sadly: I get: |
| 12:13.21 | Arahael | [demux_pass.c] warning: (pid=11240) '0x00000000' not yet supported |
| 12:14.05 | tremon | bleh. You can do it without the tcdemux, and do the filtering in a later step (say, when converting with handbrake or mencoder) |
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| 12:14.28 | Arahael | tremon: handbrake is broken in debian's wheezy-backports. :( |
| 12:14.31 | tremon | I'm just not familiar with recoding, as I don't use it |
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| 12:15.11 | Arahael | tremon: That's fine, actually vlc itself seems to work OK with the data, it doesn't seem to be able to transcode it. |
| 12:15.23 | Arahael | (More precisely: It supports transcoding, just not with me) |
| 12:15.40 | lanodan | Hello ! How can I have a TTY on multiple displays ? |
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| 12:16.23 | tremon | btw you may need to use the -T argument with tccat, not all disc have the main movie in title 1 (which is what gets extracted if you don't specify it) |
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| 12:17.12 | Arahael | tremon: Yeah, I'm planning on extracting each title. |
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| 12:17.42 | tremon | iirc tcprobe can get you all that information, and I use dvdxchap to extract chapter information |
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| 12:17.55 | nashant | I suppose another option is getting another 4TB drive. I do have a spare sata port |
| 12:18.50 | tremon | lanodan: you can't. tty's are always connected to seat0 (i.e. the main display) |
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| 12:19.32 | tremon | (well, you can -- every monitor connected to seat0 will display the same terminal) |
| 12:19.58 | Arahael | tremon: nashant might not be talking about TTY's literally. |
| 12:20.28 | sakal | why my packagekit always get 80-100% cpu? |
| 12:20.33 | sakal | hi, community :) |
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| 12:20.40 | nashant | I was talking about my resize2fs problem |
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| 12:21.28 | sakal | some like in htop output: 23774 root 20 0 442M 342M 267M S 99.8 10.0 0:56.88 /usr/lib/packagekit/packagekitd |
| 12:21.36 | tremon | Arahael: sadly, my irc program doesn't show literal or figurative text any differently |
| 12:21.47 | lanodan | tremon: Okay, thanks anyway |
| 12:22.56 | tremon | sakal: perhaps https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=743251 ? |
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| 12:23.34 | tremon | no solution though |
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| 12:25.02 | sakal | tremon: thanks, it's looks like same |
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| 12:25.28 | sakal | except only version, my: 0.8.17-2 |
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| 12:26.32 | lancro | hi, Imtrying to install debian 7.5 from a usb, it asks me where is my cdrom in the installation, this computer doesnt have cdrom unit, how do I install it from the usb stick? |
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| 12:27.36 | lanodan | lancro: Have you rebooted to the usb stick ? |
| 12:28.10 | lancro | yes, the usb stick boots the installation media |
| 12:28.39 | lancro | im using the minimal image |
| 12:28.45 | lancro | the 222 mb one |
| 12:28.54 | lanodan | the netinst ? |
| 12:29.17 | lancro | yes |
| 12:29.33 | mintgreen | i get error no 5 when copying windows iso extracted files to usb flash drive.what's wrong? |
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| 12:30.41 | lancro | but it doesnt detects the "cdrom", its the 4 step of the installation |
| 12:30.54 | Jonuz | It is possible to change speed of mouse scroll? |
| 12:31.35 | lanodan | lancro: This is strange, I've installed debian with an usb stick many times |
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| 12:31.54 | Arahael | tremon: I'm still fighting vlc as I'm hoping to get the subtitles onscreen, but I've copied your lines into my ~/notes file. :) |
| 12:32.12 | lancro | Its an unskipable step, detect the cdrom |
| 12:32.14 | lanodan | Jonuz: Did you use Xfce ? |
| 12:32.19 | Jonuz | gnome |
| 12:32.32 | lanodan | Jonuz: 2 or 3 ? |
| 12:32.36 | Jonuz | 3 |
| 12:32.41 | lancro | if tried manual selection with /dev/sdb but doesnt work |
| 12:33.08 | lanodan | Jonuz: Sorry I can't help you here ;/ |
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| 12:43.37 | lanodan | lancro: I can't find why you have this issue |
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| 12:46.04 | nashant | Does anyone know if I suppress errors in resize2fs, would I just lose the files that can't be read properly from the affected (possibly defective) blocks, or would I lose a lot more? |
| 12:46.45 | tremon | nashant: if the errors are in metadata, you risk losing entire directories |
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| 12:47.38 | nashant | tremon: I don't suppose there's any way of checking is there? |
| 12:47.48 | ziftex | hmm. I miss TeraTerm. putty is kind of nice. but hope there are better alternatives? |
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| 12:48.47 | Julie_bear | sd |
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| 12:50.08 | Julie_bear | Hey guys! Could anybody give me some recommendations about a backup solution? I have a debian server lying around at home, and want to use it to backup my linux AND windows pc's. Thanks! |
| 12:50.39 | monkwitdafunk | i use clonezilla |
| 12:50.42 | ziftex | Julie_bear, What do you need from the software? |
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| 12:50.58 | abrotman | Julie_bear: things like amanda have windows and linux clients |
| 12:51.07 | ziftex | Julie_bear, baremetal? file? compression? e-mail reports? etc |
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| 12:51.10 | Julie_bear | Just that it culd take remote backups from my local network |
| 12:51.20 | Doxin | xorg segfaults, no other errors. what the heck? |
| 12:51.29 | tremon | nashant: not that I know of, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were. Wouldn't know where to find such information though |
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| 12:52.06 | ziftex | Julie_bear, you can keep it simple and share a folder on linux server. and map that with nfs/cifs from clients.. and then use Windows Backup / crontab with tar |
| 12:52.37 | nashant | Julie_bear: cifs share and rsync -a would be a simple solution |
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| 12:53.01 | Julie_bear | ziftex,nashant okey, i will try that, then! Thank you ! |
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| 12:53.11 | ziftex | rsync will propperly not offer systemstate backup on windows host. |
| 12:53.18 | abrotman | !amanda |
| 12:53.19 | dpkg | somebody said amanda was Advanced Maryland Automatic Network Disk Archiver, a cross-platform backup system. Packaged for Debian as 'amanda-server' and 'amanda-client'. http://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/FAQ http://www.amanda.org/ #amanda on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:53.23 | _abc_ | Is there a RTAI augmented debian image or iso somewhere? RTAI is the realtime extension used by linuxcnc. |
| 12:53.28 | ziftex | (systemsate is registery/services and such) |
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| 12:54.08 | abrotman | _abc_: I don't believe so |
| 12:54.42 | Julie_bear | k, thanks a lot! Got a lot of useful information, will do some more research about those subjects, then. Again ,thank you. |
| 12:55.55 | ziftex | Just keep one thing in mind. local-to-local backup will not protect very importent data from flood/fire etc. many tend too forget that. |
| 12:56.01 | _abc_ | http://www.cnczone.com/forums/linuxcnc-formerly-emc2-/49187-debian-ubuntu-emc.html interesting thread. But old. |
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| 12:58.15 | nashant | Remember to turn the bath taps off |
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| 12:59.11 | Zzeiss | Why would a laser printer take literally an hour to print a one-page .JPG? (it's a Brother MFC-9320CW, driven wirelessly from a Debian Jessie laptop) |
| 12:59.13 | msrd0 | hi, i have a problem with "apt-get update" ("aptitude update" is similar). aptitude always says "E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead." and apt-get says the same but in german. any idea? |
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| 12:59.51 | Zzeiss | msrd0: Yep. Seen that - check your spelling on the sitenames in your /etc/sources.list file. |
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| 13:00.23 | ziftex | Zzeiss, Possible driver issue. Brother can be a pain with drivers. |
| 13:00.38 | msrd0 | Zzeiss: what do you meen with spelling? for what should i check? |
| 13:00.41 | Zzeiss | msrd0: Either that, or try different download hosts. And lastly, ping some well-known sites to assure that you've got bandwidth. |
| 13:01.21 | Zzeiss | msrd0: Literally, did you misspell or otherwise have a typo in a site name. Seriously. Had me down for a week till I realized I'd spelled Debian as "debain" |
| 13:01.59 | nashant | msrd0: Try clearing out the cache, change sources. Try a different country. I was having an issue a couple of weeks ago that loads of the UK mirrors seemed to be down. Switched to US and it worked fine (if a little slower) |
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| 13:02.21 | ziftex | pretty easy.. |
| 13:02.27 | msrd0 | Zzeiss: i dont have a file /etc/sources.list |
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| 13:02.32 | ziftex | look for failing site at apt-get update |
| 13:02.33 | ziftex | cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep NAME |
| 13:02.47 | ziftex | nano /etc/sources.list |
| 13:02.58 | ziftex | ctrl+w <enter NAME> |
| 13:03.17 | nashant | msrd0: /etc/apt/sources.list, and all .list files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 13:03.25 | msrd0 | ziftex: i dont have this file |
| 13:03.32 | msrd0 | nashant: ill try |
| 13:03.45 | ziftex | msrd0, forget /apt/ at nano |
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| 13:04.45 | msrd0 | ziftex: yes, than please write the correct command in here ;) |
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| 13:06.36 | msrd0 | okay, here is my content of /etc/apt/sources.list http://paste.debian.net/101682/ |
| 13:06.45 | msrd0 | what should i change? |
| 13:07.22 | abrotman | msrd0: nothing, tehy're fine .. |
| 13:07.39 | abrotman | msrd0: pastebin the output of 'apt-get update' with the errors you're seeing |
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| 13:09.12 | msrd0 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/101683/ |
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| 13:11.22 | abrotman | there's something else going on .. what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
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| 13:12.22 | msrd0 | abrotman: the content of this directory is "apt-build.list dropbox.list google-chrome.list" |
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| 13:12.45 | abrotman | msrd0: that apt-build.list is your problem .. what's in that file ? |
| 13:13.14 | msrd0 | abrotman: only one line: |
| 13:13.14 | msrd0 | deb file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository/ apt-build main |
| 13:13.21 | abrotman | msrd0: comment that out |
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| 13:13.58 | Zzeiss | Ah, found that problem.... cardboard folders covering the heat vents causing the printer CPU to overheat. |
| 13:14.11 | Zzeiss | ... and (I assume) declock. Now it prints just fine. |
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| 13:14.28 | Zzeiss | Next question- how to set the print margins correctly. |
| 13:15.01 | msrd0 | abrotman: now i dont get an error anymore, but i also dont get updates. it just exists |
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| 13:15.09 | abrotman | and? |
| 13:15.21 | abrotman | isn't sure what the problem is now .. |
| 13:15.24 | Zzeiss | easily solved... it was set for A4 not Letter. |
| 13:15.35 | abrotman | msrd0: perhaps you meant to say "aptitude upgrade" ? |
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| 13:16.14 | msrd0 | abrotman: i executed aptitude update and apt-get update. both download something and exit then without making any changes. |
| 13:16.44 | abrotman | msrd0: update is not the same as upgrade ... |
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| 13:17.49 | msrd0 | abrotman: aptitude upgrade just says there is no updatable package |
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| 13:18.04 | nashant | tremon: On an earlier topic, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Find_File_that_Owns_a_Given_Block |
| 13:18.09 | msrd0 | could i verify that there are really no new updates? |
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| 13:18.23 | abrotman | msrd0: since when? |
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| 13:18.41 | msrd0 | i dont know when i did the last update, maybe bevore a week? |
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| 13:18.58 | abrotman | not really for wheezy, just a few packages for security updates |
| 13:20.31 | nashant | Reaslly wish resize2fs shrinking was faster |
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| 13:22.20 | themill | I thought it was normally quite fast at losing data. |
| 13:22.30 | nashant | Ha! Not so far, thankfully |
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| 13:23.27 | royaflash | hi for all |
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| 13:23.39 | royaflash | i have one question |
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| 13:24.03 | royaflash | how config ipsec in debian ? |
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| 13:28.17 | ziftex | msrd0, You most be awesome at party's? |
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| 13:29.23 | nashant | lol |
| 13:30.30 | nashant | only about 3 hours in and already over 40% done shrinking 6TB to 5TB. Woohoo! |
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| 13:30.57 | msrd0 | nashant: thats very fast :) |
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| 13:31.29 | nashant | Really? feels like forever |
| 13:32.10 | nashant | Especially when you're trying for the 3rd time |
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| 13:32.26 | msrd0 | nashant: i never shrinked partitons with that size, but it normally dont even take a second |
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| 13:33.16 | nashant | msrd0: Then you're not doing it right. Or your drives are empty |
| 13:33.41 | ziftex | Well at least it's not NTFS.. On Windows files are trown as a hippo use it's tail when it ..... |
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| 13:34.44 | nashant | ziftex: ReFS fixes that, no? |
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| 13:35.37 | nashant | By all reports I've seen, ReFS is an excellent filesystem |
| 13:36.03 | ziftex | nashant, not too my knowledge. |
| 13:36.15 | msrd0 | well, i shrinked 150GB to 100GB |
| 13:36.20 | msrd0 | and it works |
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| 13:37.01 | ziftex | nashant, It's still missing some features. so have not touched it much. |
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| 13:37.16 | nashant | ziftex, what would you say it's missing? |
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| 13:38.02 | ziftex | heh. your testing my memory. but as I recall features like encrypt and compression is not avaible yet. |
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| 13:38.29 | ziftex | not 100% sure about file server clusters. but can check if you like. |
| 13:38.55 | ziftex | but thoes are mostly for hyper-v. |
| 13:40.04 | ziftex | (scale out that is) |
| 13:40.10 | nashant | I like the sound of the self healing |
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| 13:40.39 | ziftex | I like the sound of not breaking :) |
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| 13:42.00 | ziftex | But yeah. it will replace NTFS over time. |
| 13:42.21 | nashant | Wonder when linux will get a driver for it |
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| 13:43.21 | anudas | driver for what ? |
| 13:43.25 | nashant | Apparently the RAID-like features are excellent |
| 13:43.28 | nashant | ReFS |
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| 13:44.15 | ziftex | Well it's still software raid.. use for that is limited.. |
| 13:44.37 | nashant | And some testing shows it outperforms hardware raid |
| 13:44.48 | ziftex | most place where you think about raid. you need FC/ISCSI anyway. |
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| 13:45.36 | ziftex | I think software raid is fine for some workstations. but really don't like the idea for servers that has a decent workload. |
| 13:45.42 | nashant | up to 50% yay! |
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| 13:46.14 | ziftex | why even put a workload on the cpu that belongs too the disk system.. |
| 13:46.44 | nashant | Well I suppose it depends on your situation and budget |
| 13:46.47 | ziftex | same reason you buy enterprice class NIC for servers. |
| 13:48.16 | nashant | Just upgraded my home server. Was gonna go with a xeon and C2xx motherboard, but budget constraints killed that. Went with an FX-8350 and an unbelievably annoying Gigabyte board |
| 13:48.34 | nashant | Why they can't sort out their bios properly I have no idea |
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| 13:48.45 | nashant | It's like that do no testing at all |
| 13:49.02 | nashant | *they |
| 13:49.06 | ziftex | ahh well most home servers is just large desktops with another OS. |
| 13:49.58 | nashant | going with xenserver as a base. Or at least trying it. Wanted to try Hyper-V, but apparently no pci passthrough |
| 13:50.14 | ziftex | ehh. |
| 13:50.25 | nashant | ehh? |
| 13:50.36 | ziftex | DirecIO can't handle that? |
| 13:51.02 | nashant | Only hyper-v because lots of network/IT admin jobs want it |
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| 13:51.30 | ziftex | You just said that hyper-v can't? |
| 13:52.19 | ziftex | Not that I have tried it. But i'm pretty sure that's avaible on 2012 hyper-v |
| 13:52.48 | nashant | I've been reading quite a lot recently and lots of places say it can't |
| 13:52.55 | nashant | It seemed odd to me, too. |
| 13:53.01 | nashant | Especially with 2012 |
| 13:53.07 | ziftex | well thats true for Windows 2008 |
| 13:53.25 | ziftex | look at "SR-IOV" |
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| 13:55.29 | ziftex | again. have not tried it. only know about it from 70-412 exam |
| 13:56.49 | nashant | All well and good for certain types of device, but it seems only xenserver can pass through any pci device |
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| 13:57.12 | ziftex | VMware can too. |
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| 13:57.21 | ziftex | (ESXi that is) |
| 13:57.27 | nashant | I've got 2 TV tuners that need passing though |
| 13:57.47 | nashant | I thought ESXi could only pass through certain types too |
| 13:57.53 | ziftex | http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1010789 |
| 13:58.11 | ziftex | That I have tried in production :) |
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| 13:59.33 | nashant | hmm. Interesting |
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| 13:59.59 | copocaneta | has anyone here successfully set up svn or svn2web? I have one question in regards to running "svn propset" for particular repository directories (which don't show up at server side, only at client side). my question is, at the svn2web documentation it says 'Add an "svn2web" property to the branch or directory that should get copied', so it tells me to "cd" to my repository subdirectory and run "svn propset", the problem is that this repository subdire |
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| 14:00.42 | Arahael | copocaneta: I set up svn years and years ago, I found it fairly complex. |
| 14:00.51 | ziftex | nashant, gtg. But if you wan't you can get my skype ID. |
| 14:01.22 | nashant | ziftex, sure, yeah |
| 14:01.30 | Arahael | copocaneta: git or perforce are both easy to set up. (perforce has other issues though) |
| 14:01.39 | copocaneta | Arahael: yes, it is actually quite a pain.. the documentation for stuff like svn2web sucks |
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| 14:06.05 | gdm85 | do you guys have experience with Percona? |
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| 14:08.09 | abrotman | gdm85: They have their own support channel IIRC |
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| 14:08.49 | abrotman | gdm85: try #percona |
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| 14:14.43 | newbage | is this sunday morning tech support? |
| 14:15.00 | abrotman | newbage: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 14:15.07 | newbage | I need someone who really knows that they're doing... |
| 14:15.10 | abrotman | newbage: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 14:15.19 | newbage | yes I need help |
| 14:15.30 | newbage | I don't know how to PM, abrotman |
| 14:15.38 | abrotman | You don't need to, ask the channel, if it's about Debian |
| 14:15.51 | newbage | ok |
| 14:16.25 | newbage | I'm trying to install the AMD catalyst driver to the debian 7.5 iso but BEFORE I write it to the USB drive |
| 14:16.42 | abrotman | "it" being? |
| 14:17.16 | newbage | I'm able to install and boot but the kernel doesn't recognize my video card so I can't go any further than that until I patch with the AMD driver |
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| 14:17.29 | wols_ | what videocard is it? |
| 14:17.31 | newbage | 'it' being the iso file |
| 14:17.36 | abrotman | Which ISO? there are dozens |
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| 14:17.56 | newbage | AMD Radeon HD 6770M |
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| 14:18.05 | wols_ | !firmware image |
| 14:18.06 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 14:18.10 | wols_ | use that then |
| 14:18.13 | syeekick | i want to change a .img.xz to a .img |
| 14:18.28 | newbage | debian-live-7.5.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
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| 14:19.38 | wols_ | syeekick: install xz-utils |
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| 14:22.25 | syeekick | wols_, thanks i did that and set the destination to my usb and it borked it |
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| 14:22.52 | syeekick | changed the fiile system to unknown |
| 14:23.01 | wols_ | syeekick: what command did you run? |
| 14:23.19 | wols_ | the full line that is, and its full output |
| 14:23.31 | mjt | heh. foo > /dev/sdd or something? |
| 14:24.17 | mjt | Probably a stypid qeustion: is there an easy way to have a more recent gnome on wheezy? |
| 14:24.41 | wols_ | mjt: no |
| 14:24.44 | newbage | ok, let me be clearer... I'm currently running Mac OS X and this is my first linux install of any kind... so far I've been able to partition my HD, install rEFInd, copy the debian 7.5 iso to usb and boot debian... however, I just get pixel snow on my screen because debian does not recognize my video card... so, even though i can boot, i can't really go any farther... what i'm trying to do is patch the debian-live-7.5.0-amd64-gnome-de |
| 14:24.52 | mjt | gnome on wheezy (3.8) is a disaster usability-wise, there were many improvements in there since wheezy version |
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| 14:25.27 | wols_ | newbage: that will not happen and is not necessary. |
| 14:25.52 | newbage | owls,how do I boot without pixel snow |
| 14:25.57 | newbage | wols* |
| 14:26.02 | newbage | ? |
| 14:26.11 | wols_ | newbage: I told you above. please follow that advice |
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| 14:26.34 | Arahael | newbage: Personally I would just use something like vmware on modern apple hardware. |
| 14:26.54 | mjt | does it work on apple? |
| 14:27.06 | mjt | tho i don't see a reason why not, on intel mac anyway |
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| 14:28.05 | Arahael | mjt: There's a few differences, they have different booting systems so it's not exactly the same. Different firmware, and I would be very cautious if you're intending to dualboot. Also not sure about power management. |
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| 14:29.02 | newbage | ok, I'm brand new to this... I'm not sure if I understand the firmware update advice... |
| 14:29.22 | nashant | if anyone out there is interested in finding out how to check which files are stored on bad blocks, this just sorted me out completely https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Find_File_that_Owns_a_Given_Block |
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| 14:30.40 | newbage | I'm pretty smart and learn fast I just need someone who can explain things to me... |
| 14:30.50 | wols_ | newbage: where does it say anything about update firmware? |
| 14:31.36 | wols_ | newbage: you want to install debian onto your Mac? then I suggest the above image to install, which should fix the video problem you have |
| 14:32.26 | newbage | the only message I see from you is "use that then" in reference to dpkg's message about installing debian wheezy |
| 14:32.40 | newbage | and a previous message "!firmware image" |
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| 14:33.18 | wols_ | so do I. I don't see any "update" anywhere. thanks for agreeing with me |
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| 14:35.13 | nashant | newbage: Have you had a look here? https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple |
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| 14:36.51 | antxon_ | hi |
| 14:37.02 | newbage | wols, I apologize for the imprecision in my language |
| 14:37.10 | newbage | what exactly is this image? |
| 14:37.24 | newbage | the firmware-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
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| 14:37.48 | nashant | It's essentially a standard image but with more firmware added |
| 14:37.56 | nashant | I think |
| 14:38.13 | nashant | I used that one when the standard image didn't have my NIC drivers |
| 14:38.15 | newbage | why is is so much smaller than the "standard image" |
| 14:38.16 | newbage | ? |
| 14:38.30 | nashant | Because it's a netinst image |
| 14:38.43 | nashant | It downloads all the components for the install as it needs them |
| 14:38.56 | nashant | should be about 250MB, right? |
| 14:39.19 | nashant | You can't run it as a live image though |
| 14:39.39 | newbage | is there a live image equivalent I can run? |
| 14:40.10 | nashant | this might do it http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.5.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 14:40.46 | nashant | You even get to pick your desktop flavour too |
| 14:41.57 | newbage | what does non free mean? |
| 14:42.07 | newbage | and why are these unofficial? |
| 14:42.15 | nashant | It contains the non freeware firmware |
| 14:42.15 | wols_ | "more firmware" as in non-free firmware that certain videochips like the one in the radeon 6770M need |
| 14:42.22 | petn-randall | !non-free |
| 14:42.22 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 14:42.23 | newbage | apologies for being (a little) distrustful |
| 14:42.40 | nashant | Debian only officially deals in open source stuff |
| 14:42.44 | wols_ | newbage: it means it doesn't conform to the debian DFSG basically |
| 14:42.51 | wols_ | !tell newbage about DFSG |
| 14:43.15 | petn-randall | newbage: In "non-free" the "free" refers to freedom, not price. It just means that Debian can't audit the code, or it has some restrictions on distribution. |
| 14:43.38 | newbage | I see |
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| 14:44.00 | newbage | thanks #debian |
| 14:44.03 | newbage | I'll give this a run |
| 14:44.38 | nashant | Why can't people use google? |
| 14:45.21 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 14:46.45 | nashant | It seems like The bloody Book of Eli was causing all of my resize2fs woes. Not even that good of a film! |
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| 14:47.06 | Seb | the default grub2 menu on sid has 2 choices: "Debian GNU/Linux" and "advanced options" |
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| 14:47.29 | Seb | can I somehow have it display the list of various kernels directly (basically see what's under "advanced options" right away) ? |
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| 14:49.11 | nashant | Seb: did you find this? https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CE4QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Faskubuntu.com%2Fquestions%2F143862%2Fhow-can-i-show-all-kernels-in-the-grub2-menu-ie-disable-submenu-previous-linu&ei=0AKCU7igH6uy7AbJrIDoBw&usg=AFQjCNHknwHEM9XZv3FwIwfMAEkafyCDAg&sig2=p8Zoy1dS6L4vpRyEtOykGA&bvm=bv.67720277,d.ZGU |
| 14:50.39 | Seb | nashant: nice |
| 14:50.53 | Seb | nashant: your google-fu beats mine on this one |
| 14:50.58 | Seb | nashant: what question did you ask it ? :) |
| 14:51.14 | nashant | grub2 show all kernels |
| 14:51.23 | nashant | ;) |
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| 14:51.35 | Seb | damn |
| 14:51.42 | Seb | simple enough :) |
| 14:51.45 | Seb | nashant: well, thanks much ! |
| 14:52.21 | nashant | No probs |
| 14:52.24 | Seb | GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=y |
| 14:52.27 | Seb | done deal |
| 14:52.48 | nashant | Give it a shot. If it's in Ubu14.04, maybe in Sid too |
| 14:54.08 | jeffw | how do i force a package to be installed/reinstalled? |
| 14:54.24 | Seb | nashant: it sure is, i just checked the doc on my box |
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| 14:54.38 | nashant | sorted then :) |
| 14:54.44 | gdm85 | abrotman: sorry, wrote on wrong window |
| 14:55.05 | somiaj | jeffw: why do you need to do that? but apt-get --reinstall install foo |
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| 14:55.35 | jeffw | because trying to install "winetricks" keeps on failing even if i 'purge' the previous installation. |
| 14:56.17 | Seb | nashant: definitely :) |
| 14:56.38 | somiaj | jeffw: why is it failing? |
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| 14:58.44 | jeffw | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/8mg0fNc0 |
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| 15:00.00 | thunder1212 | hi how can i install a printer in debian 7 |
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| 15:04.41 | somiaj | jeffw: do you run ubuntu or debian? |
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| 15:06.12 | nashant | Found an absolutely hilarious video of a seal screaming like a man earlier. Had me laughing over and over again |
| 15:06.25 | mjt | damn. I've a remote debian system which is still running squeeze, without udev. It's located in another town, and I'm kind of afraid to update it... :) |
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| 15:07.16 | somiaj | nashant: this is a support channel, please don't discuss random videos here |
| 15:07.43 | jeffw | somiaj: debian |
| 15:08.05 | somiaj | jeffw: then your problem is you are trying to install a ubuntu package on debian, why do you have ubuntu sources in your debian install? |
| 15:08.25 | copocaneta | has anyone here successfully set up svn or svn2web? I have one question in regards to running "svn propset" for particular repository directories (which don't show up at server side, only at client side). my question is, at the svn2web documentation it says 'Add an "svn2web" property to the branch or directory that should get copied', so it tells me to "cd" to my repository subdirectory and run "svn propset", the problem is that this repository subdire |
| 15:08.36 | jeffw | not sure. O_o |
| 15:08.44 | jeffw | i don't remember adding them. |
| 15:09.10 | somiaj | jeffw: well put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net along with 'ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 15:09.55 | somiaj | mjt: must have done something strange to get squeeze without udev on it in the first place. (: |
| 15:10.15 | mjt | i used mdev (from busybox) |
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| 15:10.35 | jeffw | ok, hold on: |
| 15:11.37 | mjt | using ext3fs for all filesystems, too |
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| 15:12.56 | mike802 | http://mike802.blogspot.com/2013/07/log-files.html |
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| 15:13.04 | somiaj | well I thought ext3 was the default at squeeze and it wasn't until wheezy that ext4 was default...I was very slow at chaning to ext4 myself, due to upgraes. (: |
| 15:13.50 | mjt | initscripts 2.88dsf-13.1+squeeze1 . Ok. Let's install udev and reboot first. |
| 15:14.01 | mjt | kernel 3.2 is already running (self-compiled) |
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| 15:14.55 | no_gravity | Good Evening! Can I connect a network printer directly to a computer and print on it? |
| 15:15.40 | jeffw | somiaj: it's all screwed up: showing a mixture of LMDE, debian, ubuntu, and knoppix. |
| 15:15.55 | sandman13 | why is debian slowing down? |
| 15:15.57 | mjt | heh. it rebooted with udev just fine |
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| 15:17.00 | somiaj | no_gravity: I belive it needs some configuring, but CUPS can be configured to print with most printers |
| 15:17.27 | somiaj | jeffw: well you have answered your problem, you could try to make it pure debian, but at this point might be best to backup personal data, pick the distro you actually want to use and don't mix. |
| 15:17.35 | somiaj | (reinstall) |
| 15:17.52 | jeffw | somiaj: yea, just not sure how it got all mixed up. O_o |
| 15:18.00 | no_gravity | somiaj: im trying to find an usb cable... |
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| 15:23.03 | somiaj | no_gravity: it's an internet printer, would an eitehrnet cord into your switch/router work? |
| 15:23.04 | tremon | no_gravity: if you connect a printer via usb it's no longer a network printer |
| 15:23.11 | thunder1212 | i have a hp deskjet printer and it is not being detected in debian 7 ? |
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| 15:24.05 | no_gravity | ha! it prints! |
| 15:24.19 | no_gravity | via good old usb like its 1900 something :) |
| 15:24.20 | revo14 | hello, how can i activate bluetooth en wheezy? |
| 15:25.16 | no_gravity | revo14: what do you do via bluetooth? |
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| 15:26.03 | revo14 | i can see on menu bluetooth but is diseable |
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| 15:26.42 | revo14 | disabled |
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| 15:29.39 | wols_ | revo14: depends a bit on the DE you use |
| 15:29.56 | revo14 | DE? |
| 15:30.04 | wols_ | desktop environment. e.g. gnome3 |
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| 15:33.14 | newbage | hi, I can't boot with any of these http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.5.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 15:33.54 | revo14 | wols really i dont know what i do |
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| 15:39.06 | newbage | hi, I can't install debian |
| 15:39.48 | babilen | newbage: Why not? And why don't you use normal install images? What have you done with those images? |
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| 15:40.04 | hroi | hi |
| 15:40.12 | hroi | anyone familiar with rsync? |
| 15:40.19 | babilen | hroi: Just ask |
| 15:40.37 | newbage | babilen, I tried with the normal images |
| 15:40.39 | hroi | Im using rsync -ravs -delete |
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| 15:40.56 | babilen | newbage: And? |
| 15:40.58 | newbage | then I came here and the non free images were recommended to me |
| 15:41.05 | hroi | but the -delete part doesn't seem to work... i.e. it doesnt remove directories and files not in source |
| 15:41.07 | newbage | so, I tried those and they didn't work |
| 15:41.21 | babilen | newbage: What happens if you try them? |
| 15:41.39 | newbage | it says no suitable video mode found |
| 15:41.43 | newbage | and I just get pixel snow |
| 15:41.54 | babilen | newbage: So you tried three images so far? ("normal" netinst, firmware netinst and live+firmware ?) |
| 15:42.08 | newbage | I haven't tried netinst |
| 15:42.08 | babilen | newbage: When does that happen? |
| 15:42.38 | zykotick9 | babilen: just infor for ya, newbage is using a macbook with ati graphics <- if memory serves me |
| 15:42.45 | babilen | newbage: There are no non-free CD1, DVD1 ... images. So you only tried the normal install image (which one) and the firmware live? |
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| 15:42.58 | newbage | yep |
| 15:43.10 | babilen | zykotick9: Thanks |
| 15:43.20 | newbage | AMD Radeon HD 6770M |
| 15:43.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell newbage -about firmware image |
| 15:43.27 | newbage | I have that video card |
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| 15:43.57 | babilen | newbage: That's the non-free netinst image I was referring to earlier. Do you know the pciid of that GPU buy chance? |
| 15:43.58 | zykotick9 | hroi: you might want to use --delete be careful with it though :| |
| 15:44.08 | babilen | brb |
| 15:44.18 | newbage | pciid being? |
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| 15:45.48 | zykotick9 | newbage: try "lspci -vn | grep -i vga" the pciid looks something like 8086:27a2 |
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| 15:46.09 | zykotick9 | newbage: do you have two vga listed? ati and intel? |
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| 15:46.21 | hroi | zykotick9, thanks will try |
| 15:46.21 | newbage | zykotick, yes |
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| 15:47.22 | zykotick9 | hroi: fyi, typically switches that are words require --foo, -foo would be like -f -o -o |
| 15:47.28 | newbage | I can lookup whatever video card info you need |
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| 15:47.47 | newbage | I have AMD Radeon HD 6770M and Intel HD Graphics 3000 |
| 15:48.02 | zykotick9 | newbage: the pciid looks something like 8086:27a2 |
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| 15:48.27 | newbage | zykotick, 1 sec |
| 15:49.06 | zykotick9 | newbage: fyi, it's not something _I_ can help with... but babilen might like it for when he returns |
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| 15:49.36 | wols_ | zykotick9: hybrid graphics is always icky |
| 15:49.51 | musca | newbage: it's a unique number identifying the vendor and model of the device |
| 15:49.58 | zykotick9 | wols_: ya, i don't have any of that hardware... probably never will |
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| 15:50.31 | wols_ | my thinkpad was similar. gma4500 and hd3470m. worked fine with debian out of the box always. except the power draw |
| 15:50.37 | newbage | zykotick, here's what I got for the ATI card Device ID:0x6740 |
| 15:50.41 | wols_ | but even that was doable with vgaswitcheroo |
| 15:50.49 | thunder1212 | how can i get debian 8? |
| 15:50.58 | wols_ | newbage: there must be a 1002 somwhere too |
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| 15:51.15 | wols_ | thunder1212: you can't, cause it's not released yet. you can use debian testing which will become debian 8 someday |
| 15:51.18 | babilen | newbage: Can you start the non-graphic installer from the firmware netinst? |
| 15:51.23 | zykotick9 | newbage: that isn't it, "lspci -vn | grep -i vga" to a paste.debian.net perhaps? |
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| 15:51.37 | wols_ | ,pciid 1002:6740 |
| 15:51.38 | babilen | newbage: Ah, take your time |
| 15:51.38 | judd | [1002:6740] is 'Whistler [Radeon HD 6730M/6770M/7690M XT]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6740 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 15:51.49 | wols_ | zykotick9: see? |
| 15:51.56 | zykotick9 | wols_: ahhh, thanks! |
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| 15:55.04 | newbage | ok, I'm looking at all the system info on my video cards and see nothing in the xxxx:xxxx format |
| 15:56.18 | newbage | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.26 | babilen | newbage: It's okay .. wols knew it. Mind trying the non-graphic installer on the firmware netinst? |
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| 15:57.25 | newbage | I need an active internet connection for the netinst, right? |
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| 15:57.43 | newbage | I've been trying the live ISO until now |
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| 15:58.27 | babilen | newbage: You don't necessarily need it, but it would be better, yeah. You wouldn't be able to install any task such as a desktop environment without it. |
| 15:58.59 | babilen | newbage: Don't you have a working internet connection? |
| 15:59.02 | newbage | babilen, I'm brand new to this so please walk me through |
| 15:59.20 | newbage | I'm on wireless using Mac OS X right now |
| 15:59.37 | babilen | And you wouldn't be able to use that wireless on the computer you install on? |
| 15:59.37 | newbage | when I try to reboot, no I have no internet until the OS is up |
| 16:00.30 | newbage | possibly, I don't know exactly what we're talking about here... I installed rEFInd and there's no internet when that's running |
| 16:00.58 | babilen | newbage: But you have "normal" wifi that you simply connect to from your computer and other devices? |
| 16:01.22 | newbage | babilen, yes I do |
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| 16:02.19 | babilen | newbage: Okay, that should work in the installer. What I am rather interested in, at this point in time, is, however, if you can use the non-graphical installer with your obviously pesky graphic card. |
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| 16:02.47 | newbage | babilen, maybe? |
| 16:02.51 | newbage | how do I do that? |
| 16:03.12 | babilen | newbage: Which is why I would encourage you to try the firmware netinstall image. You should be able to configure your wireless during the installation (please do!). |
| 16:03.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell newbage -about firmware image |
| 16:04.03 | babilen | newbage: Download that image (probably amd64) and write it to the medium you are installing from. (which is?) Then boot and don't choose "graphical" but simply "install" or "expert". |
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| 16:05.11 | Quantum` | Has anyone been able to make Icedove fetch local mail? |
| 16:05.25 | newbage | I'm sorry, what image? |
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| 16:05.42 | babilen | newbage: Did you see the message our bot sent you? |
| 16:05.50 | newbage | nope |
| 16:06.09 | Quantum` | I tried creating a symlink under LocalFolders, pointing to the mail file, but Icedove overwrote that with a blank file. |
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| 16:06.17 | babilen | newbage: Well, it did :) -- It might have opened in a new tab or window (depends on your IRC client) |
| 16:06.42 | babilen | newbage: But I am referring to http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 16:07.06 | newbage | found it |
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| 16:07.27 | babilen | newbage: Which medium are you installing from? |
| 16:08.58 | newbage | USB drive |
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| 16:09.47 | babilen | newbage: How are you writing the image to the USB? |
| 16:11.01 | newbage | this way: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx |
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| 16:11.22 | babilen | newbage: Perfect, that should work. Could you give that a try now? |
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| 16:12.03 | babilen | newbage: Can you stay here while you are installing or are you installing on the only computer you have available? (and therefore also wouldn't be able to troubleshoot/use the internet if something goes wrong) |
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| 16:12.11 | sandman13 | I was downloading linuxheaders for Vbox other day. Because of slow internet I cancelled the process. How do I remove the files that were downloaded before cancellations? |
| 16:12.47 | babilen | sandman13: You would have to do that manually or you could remove *all* packages that are no longer/not installed with "apt-get autoclean" |
| 16:12.57 | newbage | babilen, gimme a minute and I'll brb so I can stay on why I try to install |
| 16:13.07 | babilen | newbage: splendid |
| 16:13.37 | sandman13 | reboots to Debian 7 |
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| 16:16.28 | Quantum` | Has anyone been able to make Icedove fetch local mail? |
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| 16:17.16 | newbage | babilen, ok I've downloaded and verified the iso image |
| 16:17.17 | newbage | BRB |
| 16:18.30 | sandman13 | babilen: I was installing this : linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') virtualbox |
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| 16:19.50 | newbage | ok, I'm back |
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| 16:19.56 | newbage | what precisely do I do? |
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| 16:20.53 | newbage | babilen, you there? |
| 16:20.54 | babilen | newbage: Write the image, boot it, choose the non-graphical installer. ("install" or "expert" IIRC) |
| 16:21.00 | newbage | k |
| 16:21.02 | newbage | 1 minute |
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| 16:21.51 | sandman13 | newbage: installing Debian? |
| 16:22.43 | newbage | sandman, trying to... |
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| 16:24.24 | sandman13 | newbage: on what? VM or real machine |
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| 16:24.35 | msrd0 | i detected a strange behaviour of nslookup. if i execute "nslookup smtp.web.de" i get 2 ip addresses. every time i execute it afterwards i only get one ip. whats wrong there? |
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| 16:24.54 | newbage | sandman, real machine |
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| 16:26.00 | sandman13 | newbage: where have you reached? |
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| 16:26.16 | sandman13 | have you written the image to USB or DVD? |
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| 16:27.28 | newbage | I'm copying the netinst image to USB right now |
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| 16:27.53 | newbage | now I'm restarting |
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| 16:28.12 | A|an | dpkg: tell -about firmware image |
| 16:28.31 | A|an | dpkg: tell A|an -about firmware image |
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| 16:29.19 | cnodell | e2fsck is used to perform checks/fix on ext2/3/4 file systems. Does e2fsck automatically determine the exact file system type? |
| 16:29.25 | newbage | ok, rEFInd has found 3 boot images from my USB stick |
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| 16:29.39 | cybrNaut | i tried installing ia32-libs. I get: "ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 which is a virtual package. The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Keep the following packages at their current version: 1) ia32-libs [Not Installed]" |
| 16:29.45 | cybrNaut | i don't get it |
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| 16:29.58 | newbage | 2 say the same thing "Boot Fallback loader from 430 KiB FAT volume" |
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| 16:30.12 | newbage | the third says "Boot Legacy OS from HD" |
| 16:30.13 | cybrNaut | I "accept the solution", and nothing happens |
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| 16:30.24 | ctmjr | cybrNaut: are you using wheezy? |
| 16:30.30 | cybrNaut | ctmjr: yes |
| 16:30.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell A|an about selftell |
| 16:30.48 | newbage | which option am I choosing? |
| 16:30.58 | ctmjr | dpkg: tell cybrNaut about multiarch |
| 16:31.44 | cybrNaut | ctmjr: thanks! |
| 16:31.45 | babilen | newbage: I have no idea -- You probably want to boot in EFI mode which kind of rules out Boot legacy OS ... why not try them all? |
| 16:32.14 | newbage | oh my god |
| 16:32.18 | newbage | I see things on the screen |
| 16:32.20 | newbage | holy shit |
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| 16:32.45 | newbage | "install, graphical install, advanced, install with speech synthesis" |
| 16:32.52 | newbage | I just want "install" correct? |
| 16:33.06 | babilen | newbage: Wonderful. You didn't see anything before even at this point? |
| 16:33.22 | newbage | just pixel snow with the live USB images |
| 16:33.52 | newbage | the netinst option is showing what appears to be the GUI |
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| 16:34.16 | babilen | newbage: I guess you can use either "install" or "graphical install" or "advanced" at this point as your graphical system now seems to work. I guess that "advanced" might ask a few too many pesky questions, so try "install" or "graphical install" according to your preferences |
| 16:34.46 | newbage | yeah, graphical install is actually working...mother of god... |
| 16:35.30 | sandman13 | one thing with graphical install that I couldn't figure out is: what's going on under the hood? |
| 16:35.38 | babilen | newbage: Wonderful :) |
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| 16:35.42 | sandman13 | maybe i am dumb |
| 16:35.48 | sandman13 | or something :D |
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| 16:36.13 | babilen | sandman13: I have not yet seen enough evidence to substantiate that claim. |
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| 16:37.06 | sandman13 | babilen: that means you saw atleast some evidence ;) |
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| 16:38.52 | newbage | babilen, ok, it's saying 'attempting to find unavailable wireless network failed" |
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| 16:39.26 | sandman13 | babilen: is there a way to disable pulseaudio at startup and use alsa instead? |
| 16:39.35 | newbage | this is what worried me about the netinst option and why I wanted to go with the live install via USB |
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| 16:40.06 | sandman13 | newbage: do you have ethernet cable? |
| 16:40.36 | newbage | yes |
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| 16:40.54 | newbage | I'll have to do this from the other room though and it might take a while to respond to you guys... |
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| 16:41.28 | babilen | sandman13: Pulseaudio sits on top of also, so all you would have to do is to remove/purge PA. But I wouldn't recommend to do that as it offers some nice things that one typically want to have these days. |
| 16:42.00 | babilen | s/also/alsa/ |
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| 16:42.50 | babilen | newbage: Wireless worked just fine for me, but it might be that your network card is not yet supported by the kernel in wheezy. That means that you would have to install a newer kernel, but you can work on that once you are done with the installation. |
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| 16:43.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell newbage -about bdo kernel |
| 16:43.28 | sandman13 | babilen: I have enabled sound at startup but Pulseaudio seems to be slow at playing the sound |
| 16:43.38 | babilen | "slow" ? |
| 16:44.01 | babilen | sandman13: Did you read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian* ? |
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| 16:44.40 | babilen | sandman13: Is this on a slow box? |
| 16:44.54 | sandman13 | yeah, for instance take this situation: I login, then I launch the filemanager(dolphin), now it freezes for sometimes then sound is played |
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| 16:45.34 | mjt | i had a similar prob. Fixed it by rm /usr/bin/pulseaudio ;) |
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| 16:46.12 | newbage | ok, it's working over ethernet... what should I use as hostname and domain name? |
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| 16:46.21 | newbage | hostname is that machine, right? |
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| 16:46.25 | newbage | what's domain name? |
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| 16:47.08 | lanodan | mjt: I think the right way to do it is: apt-get remove pulseaudio |
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| 16:47.18 | mjt | unfortunately no |
| 16:47.22 | sandman13 | newbage: this is for you home use right? |
| 16:47.28 | sandman13 | *your |
| 16:47.48 | newbage | yep |
| 16:47.56 | mjt | because a lot of system components depends on pulseaudio package - it will remove almost whole gnome if you'll remove pulseaudio |
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| 16:48.18 | mjt | (even if it all actually works just fine without pulseaudio) |
| 16:48.26 | ctmjr | newbage: if you do not know you can leave it blank |
| 16:48.29 | newbage | this is my first linux install of any kind... I'm brand new |
| 16:48.36 | newbage | good to know |
| 16:48.38 | lanodan | newbage: domain name is for exemple debian.org or freenode.net |
| 16:48.39 | newbage | thanks, ctmjr |
| 16:48.52 | sandman13 | then you can set it something like this: hostname -- newbage domainname -- newbage.com or whatever you want |
| 16:49.00 | newbage | right, I know what a domain name is... I just don't understand why I have to pick one for my local machine... |
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| 16:49.41 | lanodan | newbage: It's for configuration i guess |
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| 16:49.46 | sandman13 | because Debian is used for servers too |
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| 16:50.05 | babilen | newbage: It's just part of every fully qualified domain name (which every machine should have) -- feel free to chose .local |
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| 16:50.23 | babilen | *choose |
| 16:50.30 | Niriven | Hi how do I select to do a desktop installation after install of debian, and choose kde? During install i all I choose not to pick debian desktop environment |
| 16:50.34 | mjt | .local is taken by appel |
| 16:50.36 | mjt | apple |
| 16:50.53 | babilen | mjt: I've stolen it ;) |
| 16:51.11 | mjt | no, it is the other way 'round: apple stole it from us all |
| 16:51.22 | centrx | Niriven, If your wish to install the same set of packages that would have been installed in the installer: apt-get install task-kde-desktop |
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| 16:51.45 | Niriven | Centre thanks! |
| 16:52.01 | wols_ | !install kde |
| 16:52.01 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". |
| 16:52.19 | lanodan | calm down dpkg ! |
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| 16:52.53 | mjt | it's quite calm |
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| 16:53.12 | mtn | almost robotic |
| 16:53.13 | sandman13 | this is odd whenever I use Skype I hear sound similar to blowing into a microphone |
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| 16:54.53 | newbage | ok |
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| 16:55.04 | newbage | now, I need to edit the partition that I'd like to install debian on |
| 16:55.16 | newbage | what configuration do I specify here? |
| 16:55.34 | newbage | I've already partitioned my drive previously |
| 16:55.36 | babilen | sandman13: Yes, you want: "PULSE_LATENCY_MSEC=30 /usr/bin/skype" -- you could add a "skype" executable with a "script" like that to your PATH |
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| 16:55.49 | babilen | newbage: How did you partition it? |
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| 16:56.14 | newbage | 2 partitions: 1 is Mac OS X and 2 is an empty FAT partition |
| 16:56.21 | sandman13 | newbage: do you have any other OS installed on the machine? |
| 16:56.56 | sandman13 | oh Mac :) |
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| 16:57.08 | babilen | newbage: Do you want to keep OSX? |
| 16:57.12 | teraflop | heh |
| 16:57.15 | teraflop | gog question |
| 16:57.27 | newbage | yes, I want to dual boot and have rEFInd already installed |
| 16:57.41 | newbage | I'd like to only modify the FAT partition for Debian |
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| 16:58.21 | babilen | newbage: Okay, you obviously cannot install Debian on a FAT partition, so you would have to delete that and create a suitable one in its place. I would recommend a "one partition only" setup with ext4 that you use as / (the root directory) |
| 17:00.25 | sandman13 | babilen: nope, I checked alsamixer, the internal mic boost are full which should be the case. |
| 17:00.42 | babilen | sandman13: So, did you try starting skype with the command I just gave you? |
| 17:00.52 | sandman13 | yeah |
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| 17:01.06 | babilen | sandman13: wfm |
| 17:01.32 | sandman13 | wfm? |
| 17:01.48 | newbage | ok, I deleted the FAT partition and created a new partition in its place should I use EXT4 journaling? |
| 17:02.00 | babilen | sandman13: "works for me" |
| 17:02.01 | sandman13 | newbage: yes |
| 17:02.37 | babilen | newbage: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
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| 17:03.07 | newbage | ok, do I need to change any of the other partition options before actually partitioning? |
| 17:03.17 | newbage | bootable flag, for instance? |
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| 17:04.41 | shingouz | newbage: yes, you will neeed the bootable unless you have the boot sector on some other drive |
| 17:04.54 | babilen | newbage: No, the bootable flag is meaningless for Linux. You should choose "use as: /" ... I am not familiar with rEFInd so I am not sure if that requires any additional partitions (like "normal" EFI on Windows boxes) |
| 17:05.17 | babilen | shingouz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_flag |
| 17:05.42 | shingouz | ok babilen, my bad |
| 17:05.56 | babilen | No problem -- it is a very common misconception |
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| 17:06.02 | newbage | as long as rEFInd can recognize the partition |
| 17:06.08 | newbage | that's all I'm looking for... |
| 17:06.12 | babilen | so are we :) |
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| 17:06.36 | babilen | newbage: try it and see! (/me has no experience with that) |
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| 17:07.27 | tremon | refind has filesystem drivers for ext3, ext4 and xfs iirc. But EFI (not refind) requires you to have an EFI system partition of type fat32 |
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| 17:07.44 | babilen | tremon: Oh, so it wouldn't work without that? |
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| 17:08.27 | tremon | you can't boot your system in efi mode without it. But it would still work if you set your system to boot in legacy (bios) mode |
| 17:08.34 | babilen | newbage: I will have to leave now and will be back a bit later. You might want to discuss the need for additional EFI partitions with tremon and create them as needed. |
| 17:08.37 | tremon | but then you wouldn't use refind, you'd use grub |
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| 17:09.43 | newbage | ok, I have 16 GB of RAM and the partition I'm assigning has 440GB of space, do I need to specify a swap partition? |
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| 17:10.26 | tremon | I'd still create a 2-4GB swap partition |
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| 17:11.26 | newbage | tremon, ok... so 4 GB swap partition and what parameters do I use to create the debian partition for use with rEFInd? |
| 17:11.28 | tremon | however, I'm unfamiliar with os/x booting, so can't really help you there. |
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| 17:12.04 | niriven | So when upgrading to Jessie, should I use testing or Jessie in sources.list, I know I can do either, but which is recommended? |
| 17:12.12 | tremon | jessie |
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| 17:12.54 | niriven | All Jessie? No Mix of testing and Jessie? |
| 17:13.47 | newbage | tremon, I'm using rEFInd not the standard OS X booter |
| 17:14.28 | wols_ | niriven: mixing is bad, even just mixing names |
| 17:14.42 | newbage | I simply need rEFInd to recognize that the newly created partition is actually Debian |
| 17:14.43 | niriven | Ok thanks |
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| 17:15.08 | tremon | newbage: ok, I'm going to assume that's the same as on PC. You'll need a fat32 partition (recommended is +/- 250MB, but I think 100MB should be enough) |
| 17:15.28 | newbage | k, I'll go with that |
| 17:15.58 | tremon | newbage: that fat32 partition should be marked as ESP, but I'm not entirely sure how to do that in the debian installer |
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| 17:17.12 | tremon | with gdisk, you'd use partition type ef00, with parted you'd set the boot flag |
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| 17:17.56 | tremon | (note that there's no such thing as a "boot flag" on a gpt disk. parted re-using that term is very confusing) |
| 17:19.36 | tremon | to keep in line with other distributions, you should create a mountpoint for the ESP as /boot/EFI |
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| 17:25.13 | newbage | tremon, I'm at software selection and I can't tell it to continue |
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| 17:25.36 | newbage | I only have keyboard input available |
| 17:25.54 | newbage | the arrow keys won't select the continue button |
| 17:25.56 | tremon | you should be able to reach all buttons with tab. |
| 17:28.33 | tremon | you might hit another error later on, about not having selected a boot program (I think refind isn't packaged in debian). If you can't get past that, simply allow it to install grub-efi, you can remove it later |
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| 17:31.16 | newbage | once I have debian installed and configured for my machine, can I make an iso image backup that I can reinstall at a later date so that it already contains all of the necessary components for my machine? |
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| 17:32.11 | nath_ | does anyone here know a channel representing a linux game community? |
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| 17:33.01 | thunder1212 | can i keep both stable and testing repos in my apt/sourcelist? |
| 17:33.09 | bolt | I have iptables doing dnat of incoming FTP connections on port 21 to a server in the internal network. The server reports its local IP as the address when the PASV command is used, so I'm trying to employ nf_conntrack_ftp to negate this. I am testing the server through telnet from an external machine, and the first time I type PASV, I get the internal IP back. The second time and onwards, however, nf_conntrack_ftp does its job and replaces the IP address. I |
| 17:33.09 | bolt | f I disconnect and create a new connection, I'm back to step 1. Why? |
| 17:34.16 | jmcnaught | thunder1212: not a good idea. mixing releases is a good way to break your system |
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| 17:35.34 | tremon | newbage: why an iso image backup? |
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| 17:35.46 | thunder1212 | jmcnaught: ok so if i want testing repos then i should delete all previous entries and change to testing? |
| 17:36.25 | centrx | thunder1212, You should do a full upgrade with apt-get update && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:36.55 | jmcnaught | thunder1212: if you want to use testing you should look for instruction on upgrading to it. but keep in mind that testing is "not finished" and has problems every once in a while |
| 17:36.55 | centrx | dpkg, tell thunder1212 about wheezy->jessie |
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| 17:40.38 | thunder1212 | centrx: if i switch to unstable then i get the latest software and i dont need to upgrade from time to time ; its like a rolling release ? |
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| 17:42.15 | centrx | thunder1212, You still need to do the upgrade from time to time, and probably at least once every two weeks to be safe |
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| 17:42.50 | mtn | thunder1212: newbies should not use unstable |
| 17:43.07 | centrx | thunder1212, Why do you want testing? |
| 17:43.14 | Cpuroast | centrx: you mean: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:43.25 | centrx | oh yes |
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| 17:43.42 | centrx | thunder1212, ^ |
| 17:43.50 | centrx | Thank you |
| 17:44.39 | Cpuroast | on testing at times you'll get extra packages which get held back |
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| 17:44.48 | Cpuroast | which require a dist-upgrade |
| 17:45.50 | thunder1212 | centrx: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/20/5-reasons-why-debian-unstable-does-not-deserve-its-name/ |
| 17:46.03 | thunder1212 | mtn: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/20/5-reasons-why-debian-unstable-does-not-deserve-its-name/ |
| 17:46.07 | Cpuroast | not sure how things happen once testing gets frozen |
| 17:46.11 | Cpuroast | for the next stable release |
| 17:46.13 | mtn | thunder1212: my point stands |
| 17:46.34 | mtn | thunder1212: if you have to ask, you shouldn't use it ;) |
| 17:46.49 | Cpuroast | but I presume, it just gets frozen, things get tested alot more and tweaked, then the new stable gets released |
| 17:46.51 | centrx | thunder1212, It is what it is. You might be better off with stable + backports for example |
| 17:46.56 | Cpuroast | and testing goes back to unfrozen |
| 17:47.21 | centrx | thunder1212, unstable definitely does break, and you do need some Debian and Linux knowledge to workaround it when that happens |
| 17:47.44 | thunder1212 | centrx: ok :) |
| 17:47.45 | centrx | thunder1212, testing is much safer, except for the delay in security updates -- which is admittedly much less of a problem on a purely desktop machine |
| 17:48.04 | thunder1212 | hmm.. |
| 17:48.07 | centrx | thunder1212, but see if stable + backports meets your needs |
| 17:48.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell thunder1212 about tum |
| 17:49.14 | babilen | thunder1212: feel free to pull in packages from unstable whenever necessary.I deem that essential at this point in the release cycle. |
| 17:49.30 | centrx | babilen, What does t-u-m stand for? |
| 17:49.39 | centrx | testing-update-? |
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| 17:49.53 | centrx | *-? ? |
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| 17:50.46 | mikedep333 | Hi, packages.debian.org says that the current version of the libxfont source package is 1.4.5-4 . However, that version's changelog is not available, and that version is not listed under http://anonscm.debian.org , only 1.4.5-4 is https://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/libxfont |
| 17:51.11 | Cpuroast | that happens |
| 17:51.17 | Cpuroast | if a package is very recent |
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| 17:51.24 | Cpuroast | and the changelog hasn't been updated yet |
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| 17:51.31 | mikedep333 | yeah |
| 17:51.41 | mikedep333 | but what about the git repo on anomscm.debian.org ? |
| 17:52.12 | mikedep333 | (I am new to debian, but experienced with ubuntu.) |
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| 17:52.33 | mikedep333 | also, the Debian Patch Tracker seems to be down http://patch-tracker.debian.org/ |
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| 17:52.51 | Cpuroast | http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/libx/libxfont/libxfont_1.4.5-3_changelog |
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| 17:52.56 | Cpuroast | as that version has a changelog |
| 17:53.03 | mikedep333 | *I meant that only 1.4.5-3 is listed |
| 17:53.06 | mikedep333 | right |
| 17:53.10 | mikedep333 | it's a long story |
| 17:53.10 | Cpuroast | and -4 doesn't means it was a very recent security fix |
| 17:53.15 | Cpuroast | by the security team |
| 17:53.42 | mikedep333 | I assume it is this fix: http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2014-May/002431.html |
| 17:54.01 | mikedep333 | anyway, |
| 17:54.03 | Cpuroast | quite possibly |
| 17:54.14 | mikedep333 | I'll just download the source package |
| 17:54.16 | mikedep333 | thanks anyway |
| 17:54.57 | Quantum` | Has anyone been able to make Icedove fetch local mail? |
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| 17:55.33 | OpenTokix | Quantum`: you can add an accounttype "Mailmove" |
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| 17:55.45 | OpenTokix | Quantum`: and point to your maildir |
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| 17:56.17 | Quantum` | OpenTokix: Thanks, but it always wants pop and smtp addresses. |
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| 17:56.57 | Quantum` | In LocalFolders I choose Movemail, and it demands a name and email. |
| 17:57.13 | OpenTokix | yes? - cant your make somethign up? |
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| 17:57.58 | Quantum` | So I put bill@localhost and it informs me that my main smtp and pop servers will be used. |
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| 17:58.29 | Quantum` | I name the account and it presents me with what it's set me to. |
| 17:58.41 | Hypfer | is there a memory leak in java7 and 6 in debian wheezy? |
| 17:58.49 | Quantum` | My only option is to press Finish then. |
| 17:59.26 | Quantum` | My understanding is that it used to work differently and actually let you choose an mbox file, but not anymore. |
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| 18:04.11 | OpenTokix | Quantum`: yes, then created - and edit that account |
| 18:04.15 | OpenTokix | Hypfer: it is java, ofc it has |
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| 18:05.11 | Quantum` | OpenTokix: Yes but nothing allows me to point it to an mbox file. It requires POP. |
| 18:05.36 | OpenTokix | Quantum`: wierd |
| 18:06.46 | newbage | tremon, ok... here's what I got: I've installed GRUB and debian to the appropriate partition |
| 18:07.26 | newbage | GRUB recognizes Mac OS X but Mac OSX doesn't boot properly out of GRUB (no problem, I've decided to reinstall Mac OS X later since I know how to do that) |
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| 18:07.52 | Quantum` | Well, next problem. I have a very unprived user, but when I su to him it doesn't run ~/.bashrc . |
| 18:07.54 | newbage | but now I can't get Debian to boot, even in safe mode |
| 18:08.57 | newbage | you still here, tremon? |
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| 18:09.48 | newbage | ok, can anyone help me with a basic install? |
| 18:11.00 | tremon | newbage: but you can get to grub without issue? can you get into the grub menu? |
| 18:11.10 | Quantum` | Hhinteresting. If a user's shell is set to /bin/sh he never runs .bashrc |
| 18:11.22 | newbage | I'm at the grub menu |
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| 18:11.27 | OpenTokix | Quantum`: ofc? sh isnt bash |
| 18:11.28 | Quantum` | Has to be /bin/bash. |
| 18:11.32 | newbage | but none of the selections works |
| 18:11.52 | newbage | ...but I'm at the grub menu and that works fine |
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| 18:12.18 | Quantum` | Ik sh isn't bash, but I didn't know sh will not run .bashrc, although looking at it makes sense... |
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| 18:12.37 | Quantum` | Is there a .shrc? |
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| 18:13.59 | OpenTokix | .profile iirc |
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| 18:14.23 | tremon | newbage: do you get an error message? |
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| 18:15.17 | newbage | tremon, not in grub |
| 18:15.33 | newbage | when I try to boot an OS they don't work |
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| 18:16.25 | tremon | newbage: what does "don't work" mean? does it reboot, do you get a black screen, is grub ignoring your enter key, is your screen filled with garbage, does your pc jump out the window? |
| 18:16.26 | Quantum` | Basic formatting question: # kdialog --message %n " complete" |
| 18:16.33 | newbage | the main debian install saysradeon pci probe error requires firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 18:16.45 | Quantum` | Would that work to pick up the variable? |
| 18:16.59 | newbage | grub seems to work fine |
| 18:17.11 | Quantum` | Or should it be # kdialog --message "%n complete" |
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| 18:18.55 | tremon | newbage: I'm still guessing here, but newer radeon cards don't display anything unless their firmware is loaded. That firmware is in non-free, and isn't included on the install disc |
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| 18:19.31 | newbage | ok, can I install it from grub before running debian? |
| 18:19.45 | newbage | ...since grub has a command line? |
| 18:20.00 | babilen | tremon: newbage installed using the firmware netinstall image |
| 18:20.15 | newbage | exactly... |
| 18:20.21 | newbage | so, I'm a little confused as to why I get this error |
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| 18:20.32 | tremon | newbage: to fix, boot from the install disc, select rescue mode and select to run a shell in the installed system |
| 18:20.35 | babilen | Which error? |
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| 18:20.56 | tremon | babilen: only error i've seen mentioned is "radeon pci probe error requires firmware-linux-nonfree" |
| 18:21.04 | Quantum` | newbage: You're screwed. Don't even bother with hassling this out and start over. |
| 18:21.11 | newbage | that's the error |
| 18:21.28 | Quantum` | I use the Testing netinstall CD in Expert mode. |
| 18:21.33 | newbage | how do I reboot the install disc |
| 18:21.37 | newbage | ? |
| 18:21.47 | newbage | grub is all that pops now when i boot |
| 18:21.47 | tremon | how did you start the installation the first time? |
| 18:21.48 | Quantum` | Power off and on. |
| 18:22.02 | newbage | pops up* |
| 18:22.21 | Quantum` | Put in the CD. |
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| 18:22.41 | newbage | only GRUB appears |
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| 18:23.01 | Quantum` | Is this a newer mobo with EFI? |
| 18:23.13 | tremon | possibly grub has overridden the default boot order, but I have no idea how to change that on a mac |
| 18:23.33 | Quantum` | Oh it's a Mac? Laptop? |
| 18:23.37 | babilen | Quantum`: It is a macbook (pro?) |
| 18:23.39 | newbage | grub is booting first |
| 18:23.44 | newbage | yes macbook pro 8,2 |
| 18:23.51 | Quantum` | Definitely EFI. Change it in BIOS. |
| 18:24.01 | newbage | can't I just tell grub to boot my USB stick? |
| 18:24.18 | Quantum` | It would take a long complex command. |
| 18:24.21 | teraflops | newbage: you where warned about that |
| 18:24.27 | newbage | ok, 1 sec |
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| 18:24.57 | newbage | teraflops I'm not worried about anything... nothing is broken... yet... |
| 18:25.01 | teraflops | newbage: simpoy press the option key at boot |
| 18:25.05 | teraflops | simply* |
| 18:25.24 | newbage | yeah that's what I'm doing |
| 18:25.24 | teraflops | macs *alt* |
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| 18:25.44 | babilen | Can Intel macs boot with grub-efi only or do they require refind? |
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| 18:26.04 | Quantum` | REFInd is for EFI. |
| 18:26.18 | teraflops | babilen: i don not use reffind i use the native osx loader |
| 18:26.31 | newbage | ok, I'm back into OS X |
| 18:26.37 | newbage | let's delete the partition |
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| 18:27.22 | teraflops | newbage: plase take a look at the documentation |
| 18:27.24 | teraflops | ... |
| 18:27.41 | Quantum` | newbage: I suggest you use this image: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_alpha_1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-jessie-DI-a1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:27.45 | newbage | I have but I'm self-taught and haven't been able to get anywhere until now |
| 18:27.55 | teraflops | heh |
| 18:28.12 | tremon | !testing installer |
| 18:28.12 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:28.26 | teraflops | new the most updated info about installing linux on macbook pro is the archiki |
| 18:28.56 | teraflops | i meant newbage && archwiki |
| 18:29.04 | Quantum` | I've used that for 15 years and it's never let me down. |
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| 18:29.25 | Quantum` | So either suggest something better or STFU. |
| 18:29.36 | babilen | Quantum`: Stop it, there is no point in using an alpha version of the installer and install testing. |
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| 18:29.58 | teraflops | newbage: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook_Pro_8,1_/_8,2_/_8,3_%282011%29 |
| 18:30.02 | Quantum` | Like I say, STFU. |
| 18:30.02 | newbage | yeah, I'm not using an alpha or install testing |
| 18:30.40 | newbage | what we just did worked I just have to configure it properly and, right now, I don't know what that is... it's not much of a hassle |
| 18:30.44 | babilen | Quantum`: And given that testing doesn't even exist for 15 years I also question the accuracy of your statement. And it would also be appreciated if you don't ask people to shut up. |
| 18:31.17 | tremon | newbage: if you opt for a reinstall, I suggest you find an install cd that includes the non-free firmware for your video card |
| 18:31.20 | Quantum` | That is the Testing installer, if you read the page carefully. |
| 18:31.21 | babilen | teraflops: And the native osx loader chainloads grub? |
| 18:31.30 | babilen | tremon: That one was used ... |
| 18:31.38 | tremon | oh. bleh |
| 18:31.41 | teraflops | yes babilen but first you need to bless the efi partition |
| 18:31.45 | teraflops | from osx |
| 18:32.03 | babilen | teraflops: "bless" ? Would that be possible for newbage to do now? |
| 18:32.13 | teraflops | i dont think so hehe |
| 18:32.19 | tremon | teraflops: wouldn't that have prevented grub from starting at all, not failing in the debian boot stage? |
| 18:32.20 | babilen | teraflops: Given that newbage already installed Debian, created the necessary partitions and installed grub. |
| 18:32.30 | teraflops | but he can copy and paste the command :P |
| 18:32.37 | tremon | (would missing that step...) |
| 18:32.41 | teraflops | heh |
| 18:32.42 | newbage | ultimately, this is what I want to use to boot |
| 18:32.47 | newbage | but I want to get debian installed first |
| 18:32.50 | newbage | http://www.glandium.org/blog/?p=2830 |
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| 18:33.01 | babilen | teraflops: Well, don't hold back ... let newbage know how to do this. :) |
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| 18:33.17 | teraflops | oh lord blame that kind of blogs |
| 18:33.28 | teraflops | its ok for me |
| 18:34.12 | teraflops | but the wiki i provided is easy enough to follow anyway |
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| 18:35.47 | teraflops | tremon: sorry i misread: the laptop boot osx by default unless you press the alt_ key |
| 18:35.56 | newbage | teraflops, I'm looking at this and don't really understand it... |
| 18:35.58 | teraflops | then it boots grub |
| 18:36.11 | teraflops | newbage: thats linux |
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| 18:36.39 | newbage | I already deleted the debian partition so, just consider it a mac laptop with an empty FAT partition now |
| 18:36.49 | teraflops | heh |
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| 18:37.33 | revo14 | hello, i need to install heekscad and heekscnc qcad but i cant do it |
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| 18:39.46 | teraflops | newbage: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook |
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| 18:44.25 | newbage_ | if only women were this easy to figure out... |
| 18:44.46 | grok | they still run on cp/m |
| 18:45.09 | babilen | Could we just refrain from any sexist remarks please? |
| 18:45.27 | grok | apologies |
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| 18:46.30 | newbage_ | it's not sexist if I can't figure out women... it's just troubleshooting... |
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| 18:47.12 | babilen | women have *nothing* to do with this |
| 18:47.38 | newbage_ | right, but my inability to troubleshoot does... |
| 18:47.52 | pikachuza | anyone here got experience with cgroups in Ubuntu? |
| 18:47.58 | babilen | So, let's move on. I mean it is perfectly fine to be frustrated with Apple hardware ... |
| 18:48.12 | babilen | pikachuza: Are you mayhaps looking for #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server? |
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| 18:48.58 | pikachuza | hi babilen - yeah, sorry clicked the wrong room. I guess its the same though in debian. Will go find out and report back :0 |
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| 18:49.01 | pikachuza | :) |
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| 18:49.36 | babilen | pikachuza: Sounds like a plan :) |
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| 18:55.04 | revo14 | i need to insal bledner but i dont know it what to do |
| 18:55.06 | revo14 | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/i386/blender/download |
| 18:55.40 | babilen | revo14: You typically install packages using the package manager. The usage is detailed in http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/apt.html |
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| 18:56.18 | babilen | revo14: So, to install blender you would use a /etc/apt/sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/101731/, run "apt-get update" and then "apt-get install blender" |
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| 18:57.04 | revo14 | babilen i have to add all that in sources.list? |
| 18:57.14 | revo14 | 8 lines? |
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| 18:58.38 | centrx | revo14, If you have a working sources.list, you shouldn't need to change anything |
| 18:58.43 | centrx | revo14, apt-get install blender |
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| 18:59.19 | tremon | revo14: the -src lines, as well as the -updates and -backports are optional |
| 18:59.42 | revo14 | i try but nothing |
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| 19:00.30 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 19:00.42 | centrx | revo14, "nothing"? |
| 19:01.32 | ZenWalker | reporting bugs with avatar? |
| 19:02.03 | revo14 | i put in terminal apt-get install bledner but nothing |
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| 19:02.16 | centrx | ZenWalker, What is avatar? |
| 19:02.22 | babilen | revo14: The sources.list I pasted is a complete one that covers many eventualities, but can be used without problems by anybody. (http.debian.net even ensures that a local mirror is being used) |
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| 19:02.44 | thunder1212 | hi |
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| 19:02.47 | centrx | revo14, So, the screen goes black? |
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| 19:03.07 | babilen | revo14: If your package manager is working fine you obviously don't have to change anything. If you want us to help with a problem please paste *your* sources.list, the output of "apt-get install blender" and that of "apt-cache policy blender" |
| 19:03.23 | babilen | revo14: It is also "blender" not "bledner" |
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| 19:04.15 | ZenWalker | centrx: a mini photo on the right |
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| 19:04.49 | babilen | revo14: So, could you paste the requested information? |
| 19:04.55 | centrx | ZenWalker, On the website? Or is this part of some app? |
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| 19:06.46 | revo14 | Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho |
| 19:06.48 | revo14 | Creando árbol de dependencias |
| 19:06.50 | revo14 | Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho |
| 19:06.52 | revo14 | E: No se ha podido localizar el paquete bledner |
| 19:06.57 | teraflops | heh |
| 19:07.13 | teraflops | revo este es un canal de habla inglesa |
| 19:07.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell revo14 about localised errors |
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| 19:08.08 | revo14 | babilen what can i do? |
| 19:08.10 | ZenWalker | centrx: on the website bugs.debian.org, reporting bugs |
| 19:08.11 | babilen | revo14: Please also include the output of the other commands and *your* sources.list and paste it to http://paste.debian.net and not into the channel please. |
| 19:08.28 | babilen | revo14: And it is still "blender" and not "bledner" |
| 19:08.39 | babilen | revo14: I mentioned that before :) |
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| 19:09.15 | babilen | revo14: So please run the commands I gave your (exactly!) and paste their output including your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link |
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| 19:09.28 | centrx | ZenWalker, Maybe http://bugs.debian.org/bugs.debian.org |
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| 19:09.58 | babilen | inception! |
| 19:11.16 | revo14 | babilen omg sorry i have a mistake writing it |
| 19:11.27 | babilen | revo14: Yes, obviously :D |
| 19:11.59 | revo14 | but i have other problem jeje to instal heekscad |
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| 19:13.04 | babilen | revo14: Well, provide the requested information for heekscad then |
| 19:13.12 | babilen | (whatever that is) |
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| 19:13.38 | babilen | revo14: heekscad does not appear to be packaged in Debian |
| 19:13.51 | revo14 | i cant installed? |
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| 19:14.26 | babilen | revo14: Well, you can probably install it, but it is not currently packaged in Debian. The project also looks pretty dead. |
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| 19:18.46 | Sunghost | good evening to all - my problem is right in front of me after rebooting wheezy - grub error invalid arch independet elf magic rescue - hope you can help fast |
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| 19:19.54 | Sunghost | actually iam in debian live cd- installed mdadm and checked the raids - all are ok -but i have no experince with grub |
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| 19:20.53 | revo14 | babilen thanks so im not going to istalled |
| 19:20.55 | newbage | ok, if I reinstall using the netinst, can I patch with the appropriate AMD driver during the install? |
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| 19:21.57 | revo14 | babilen how i know what program i can install here on wheezy |
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| 19:24.52 | LtL | revo14: packages.debian.org |
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| 19:28.26 | Sunghost | any help to my grub problem? |
| 19:28.43 | newbage | is there any way during a netinst to use a .run file? |
| 19:29.34 | jelly-home | Sunghost: can you mount your root filesystem from the livecd? And /boot if it's separate, too |
| 19:30.19 | Sunghost | yes i did and have |
| 19:30.22 | jelly-home | Sunghost: if you can, mount your debian installation, chroot into it and try to reinstall grub |
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| 19:30.45 | Sunghost | thx - but can you give more advices |
| 19:30.45 | jelly-home | and by that I mean run /usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/whatever |
| 19:31.36 | Sunghost | did you mean /dev/md0 or dev/sda sdb ...? |
| 19:31.52 | jelly-home | the physical disks |
| 19:32.42 | Sunghost | sounds simple - also for me i do mount /dev/md0 /mnt/md0 |
| 19:32.52 | newbage | is there any way during a netinst to use a .run file? |
| 19:33.06 | Sunghost | than run /usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/sda <- after that the same for sdb .... |
| 19:33.21 | jelly-home | Sunghost: nah, you forgot the chroot step |
| 19:33.58 | Sunghost | sorry this is new for me, i never had problems with grub before, so what is the chroot step? |
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| 19:34.28 | Sunghost | found this on an ubuntu page -> sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 19:34.33 | Sunghost | sudo mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys |
| 19:34.36 | Sunghost | sudo mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc |
| 19:34.39 | Sunghost | sudo cp /proc/mounts /mnt/etc/mtab |
| 19:34.43 | Sunghost | sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash |
| 19:34.47 | Sunghost | did you mean this? |
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| 19:34.57 | jelly-home | Sunghost: after mounting your filesystem, set up the necessary virtual filesystems: "mount --bind /dev /mnt/md0/dev"; do the same thing as /dev with /proc and /sys. Then run "chroot /dev/md0" to enter your chrooted filesystem |
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| 19:35.35 | jelly-home | Sunghost: if your fs was mounted on "/mnt", that would be right |
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| 19:36.44 | jelly-home | replace all occurences of "/mnt" with "/mnt/md0" if that's where you mounted it |
| 19:36.58 | Sunghost | ok i did |
| 19:37.17 | Sunghost | and do chroot /mnt/md0 /bin/bash <- right |
| 19:37.20 | Sunghost | no errors |
| 19:37.49 | jelly-home | did it open a new shell? Does ls / or ls /home look like your installation? |
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| 19:38.11 | Sunghost | like before |
| 19:38.15 | Sunghost | root@debian |
| 19:38.39 | Sunghost | as i wanted to copy like above is descripte - i got file already existst should i overrite it |
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| 19:39.01 | jelly-home | mtab is not really important |
| 19:39.17 | Sunghost | ok understand ls shows old installation e.g. for /etc/ |
| 19:39.17 | jelly-home | so that's fine |
| 19:39.44 | Sunghost | ok now i have to install grub2 in to the mbr of each disk? |
| 19:39.48 | jelly-home | ok, that means you're inside chroot. Try to run /usr/sbin/grub-install /dev/sda now |
| 19:40.28 | Sunghost | ok - finish no error reported |
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| 19:40.46 | Sunghost | same for other disks right? |
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| 19:42.29 | Sunghost | jelly-home??? |
| 19:43.04 | mrdeb | hi guys |
| 19:43.11 | jelly-home | Sunghost: you could, but you could also see if this made a difference first |
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| 19:43.46 | tremon | Sunghost: did you get that "invalid elf magic" error before loading the grub menu, or after selecting which kernel to run? |
| 19:43.46 | Sunghost | ok - now no update-grub or something like that? |
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| 19:44.09 | Sunghost | yes i see short loding grob and than cames the error |
| 19:44.34 | Sunghost | i also tried to change to boot over the bios menue from another disk but same failure |
| 19:45.15 | tremon | then one of the grub modules in /boot/grub might be damaged. If what you've done now doesn't work, you might want to re-download and reinstall all grub packages |
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| 19:46.21 | Sunghost | ok tremon so at this point simply restart the system right? |
| 19:46.29 | revo14 | ltl thanks for the information |
| 19:46.59 | tremon | yes, but do a proper unmount first (exit your shell, umount /mnt/md0/{proc,sys,dev,} |
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| 19:47.43 | tremon | shouldn't be necessary, but can't be too careful in a rescue situation :) |
| 19:48.56 | Sunghost | km |
| 19:49.00 | Sunghost | ok will do so now |
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| 19:50.01 | Sunghost | reboot starts |
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| 19:52.05 | revo14 | im here but how to see if a progroms is compatible with wheezy? |
| 19:52.07 | revo14 | https://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
| 19:52.38 | Sunghost | ok your right - same failure direct after welcome to grub |
| 19:52.40 | Sunghost | ;( |
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| 19:53.42 | tremon | ok well sadly it's going to be a little more involved then. Is /boot on a separate partition, or on your / ? |
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| 19:53.58 | Sunghost | its on the md0 |
| 19:54.02 | Sunghost | yes on / |
| 19:54.21 | Sunghost | ok as far as i understand now i boot again from livecd and mount the md0 right? |
| 19:54.28 | tremon | ok, we'll do an fsck on it first then to be certain |
| 19:54.55 | tremon | Sunghost: yes, almost. Boot again from md0, but first start a shell in the installer environment so you can run fsck on md0 |
| 19:55.07 | tremon | ehrm, boot again from the installer |
| 19:55.26 | Sunghost | ? |
| 19:55.35 | tremon | sorry, boot from livecd |
| 19:55.35 | Sunghost | boot from install cd or from livecd? |
| 19:55.52 | tremon | I always use the install cd in rescue, so I confused myself :p |
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| 19:56.50 | Sunghost | ok sorry i see it now the livecd has also an install option, i used in the past the called installer and now i downloaded the live cd but it could be the same |
| 19:56.56 | Sunghost | ok i boot from this live cd ;) |
| 19:57.18 | Sunghost | any differences if live (amd64) or amd64 failsafe) for this situation |
| 19:57.33 | tremon | so, if you used amd64 live before than that's fine |
| 19:57.38 | tremon | s/so/no/ |
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| 19:57.47 | Sunghost | ok it boots |
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| 19:58.17 | ToApolytoXaos | there's a very bizarre behavior with my debian testing (64-bit). lighttpd complains about "can't bind to port: :: 80 Address already in use", but Perl script that is responsible for binding is disabled in lighttpd.conf file. also "ps -aux | grep lighttpd" would return two running processes even though i have stopped its service, and the most outstanding thing would be with "sudo lsof -n -sTCP:LISTEN -i :80" that returns only one process; i mean...h |
| 19:58.18 | ToApolytoXaos | ahahahahaah :D what's going on here?! |
| 19:58.44 | Sunghost | ok install mdadm now |
| 19:58.57 | tremon | ToApolytoXaos: are you trying to listen on both ipv4 and ipv6 wildcard address? |
| 19:59.01 | Sunghost | done - now i should fschk on /dev/md0 right? |
| 19:59.07 | tremon | yes |
| 19:59.23 | Sunghost | and it will not crashe my md0 ? |
| 19:59.57 | tremon | there's no reason why it would. The md format has been stable for ages |
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| 20:00.33 | Sunghost | ok to be sure i run fsck.ext4 /dev/md0 right |
| 20:00.36 | ToApolytoXaos | termon: i have tried this http://superuser.com/questions/692952/disable-ipv6-on-interface-in-debian-wheezy |
| 20:00.46 | ToApolytoXaos | to disabled it and even restarted my network |
| 20:00.49 | tremon | Sunghost: yes |
| 20:00.59 | Sunghost | ok done clean |
| 20:01.54 | tremon | good. Now do the same thing as before, mount /dev/md0 and start a shell in it. Make sure /boot, /dev, /sys, /proc and /var are available (mount them too if they're on separate filesystems) |
| 20:02.20 | Sunghost | one moment iam for a second away |
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| 20:12.54 | Guest18449 | hi guys |
| 20:13.27 | linuxreign | hiya |
| 20:13.38 | Sunghost | ok i am back -sorry |
| 20:13.56 | Guest18449 | i'm running debian 7 and i have something installed that tries to automatically use an app to load a downloaded file. i fucking cannot stand it, i think it is some freedsktop.org brainrot bullshit but cannot figure out what package brought it in. |
| 20:14.02 | Guest18449 | does anyone know how to uninstall it? |
| 20:14.20 | Guest18449 | basically its a popup with an ACTIVATE button on it. |
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| 20:14.38 | linuxreign | on Debian? |
| 20:14.41 | linuxreign | humm |
| 20:15.09 | Guest18449 | yeah. i'm sure i installed is when i installed all of the xfce stuff and it pulled in some tertiary package |
| 20:15.27 | tremon | Guest18449: you'll have to analyze the logs in /var/log/dpkg.log to see what was installed. I know of no such packages in debian |
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| 20:18.09 | Guest18449 | k. thx guys |
| 20:18.29 | ToApolytoXaos | tremon, about my issue: any idea why a stopped process would insist to work? it doesn't make any sense |
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| 20:18.56 | Guest18449 | ToApolytoXaos: the kernel wille ventually kill it |
| 20:19.25 | ToApolytoXaos | Guest18449: ... |
| 20:19.53 | Guest18449 | i assume you did /etc/init.d/ whatever stop or kill -9 on it right? |
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| 20:20.38 | tremon | ToApolytoXaos: you can use netstat -ln to see what processes are binding to which ports |
| 20:20.40 | Sunghost | ok what should i do next? fsck say clean |
| 20:20.40 | ToApolytoXaos | i'm a newbie with such things Guest18449; it's the first time i'm dealing with such a peculiar issue. |
| 20:21.18 | Pascal_1 | hello , i just try to reboot my pc and it failed with this error : systemd-logind, failed to fully startup daemon; Input/Output error |
| 20:21.30 | Pascal_1 | does someone could help me to see what is the problem ? |
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| 20:22.04 | ToApolytoXaos | tremon: the only process that runs is TCP 0.0.0.0:80 |
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| 20:22.59 | ToApolytoXaos | Pascal_1: i think i have seen a similar message to this: are you behind a UPS? |
| 20:23.05 | ToApolytoXaos | or online stabilizer? |
| 20:23.09 | tremon | ToApolytoXaos: that's an ipv4 wildcard bind. It makes sense that no other process can bind to [::]:80 then. You may have to be explicit in the lighttpd configuration |
| 20:23.10 | Pascal_1 | no |
| 20:23.24 | HD|Laptop | hi |
| 20:23.31 | HD|Laptop | i'm having problems with packages.debian.net |
| 20:23.33 | HD|Laptop | https://packages.debian.org/search?arch=armhf&searchon=sourcenames&keywords=chromium-browser |
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| 20:23.39 | HD|Laptop | says it has armhf packages for chromium |
| 20:23.50 | HD|Laptop | but when I click on the packages it only offers i386/arm64 |
| 20:24.04 | ToApolytoXaos | tremon: all this time those default settings where set as such. i guess something happened on the background that i have to find myself and tweak them accordingly |
| 20:24.15 | peterrooney | HD|Laptop: uh, why not packages.debian.org? |
| 20:24.22 | tremon | HD|Laptop: you're looking at a page for a source package |
| 20:24.26 | HD|Laptop | peterrooney: mistyped sorry |
| 20:24.35 | HD|Laptop | tremon: oh |
| 20:25.25 | tremon | I guess it's somewhat surprising that a source package is listed as available for an architecture when there are no builds for that architecture |
| 20:25.58 | tremon | but on the other hand, it is strictly true: the source is available for armhf. Not that it does you any good... |
| 20:26.18 | Pascal_1 | ToApolytoXaos: any idea ? |
| 20:26.40 | HD|Laptop | tremon: yep... raspbians latest in testing is ages-old v22 |
| 20:26.58 | HD|Laptop | and i really dont want a native build on a rpi, it will take months ... |
| 20:27.04 | tremon | Sunghost: I was still waiting for the next step "mount /dev/md0 and start a shell in it. Make sure /boot, /dev, /sys, /proc and /var are available (mount them too if they're on separate filesystems)" |
| 20:27.27 | Sunghost | oh ok i will do |
| 20:27.55 | tremon | if you've done that, the next step will be to use dpkg -l | grep grub to see which grub packages you have installed, and use apt-get --reinstall install $pkgs to reinstall them |
| 20:28.57 | ToApolytoXaos | Pascal_1: well, if it's your a hard disk problem, what i would have done thus far would be to power off PC, then switch off power supply from behind and press the power button twice to ground it. |
| 20:29.10 | ToApolytoXaos | then try to turn it back and see whether the issue remains the same |
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| 20:29.36 | tremon | ToApolytoXaos: I guess you'll have to trace what changed, and when. Sadly I have no more pointers for you |
| 20:29.42 | ToApolytoXaos | lol...i'm half asleep and typed autonomously |
| 20:29.59 | ToApolytoXaos | cheers tremon |
| 20:30.17 | Sunghost | ok i am in the shell |
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| 20:31.21 | tremon | Sunghost: see my previous message (5 lines or so above). You'll have to reinstall all grub packages. btw I'm assuming that you have a network connection on your livecd, otherwise we'll have to fix that first |
| 20:31.52 | Sunghost | yes network is working |
| 20:32.03 | Sunghost | which package should i reinstall all? |
| 20:32.23 | tremon | I'd reinstall all grub packages, yes. Check with dpkg -l|grep grub |
| 20:33.23 | Sunghost | good idea ;) ok -> grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-comman |
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| 20:35.26 | mrdeb | what happens in debian if u run out of ram |
| 20:35.32 | mrdeb | does it get slow without swap |
| 20:35.58 | zykotick9 | mrdeb: actually without swap, it'll start randomly killing things... |
| 20:35.59 | OpenTokix | mrdeb: without swap the out of memory killer will kill random processes |
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| 20:37.45 | mrdeb | ok, so on netbook with 1gb ram |
| 20:37.59 | Sunghost | should i install the grub-efi-amd64 package too? read of it but it is not installed |
| 20:38.25 | zykotick9 | mrdeb: sidenote, if you want to use hibernation, you'll need a 1GB (plus a little) swap |
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| 20:38.49 | mrdeb | zykotick9: dont need it. it has always been bad and useless imo |
| 20:39.05 | Sunghost | could not open lock file /var/lock/aptitude |
| 20:39.21 | tremon | Sunghost: no, grub-efi is for efi systems. Yours is bios |
| 20:39.45 | tremon | Sunghost: what does ls -ld /var/lock give? |
| 20:40.47 | Sunghost | ok i now used instead apt-get --reinstall install and found linux image and done withiout this error only a canon set local but this should be ok, or? |
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| 20:41.05 | tremon | "cannot set locale" is not important |
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| 20:41.39 | Sunghost | ok and what is with the efi package? |
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| 20:42.30 | tremon | ok, theoretically now all grub packages have been reinstalled and the grub config regenerated. All should be well for another reboot :) |
| 20:42.32 | Sunghost | i have a 100mb partition with bios flag <- it should be used for efi as far as i know |
| 20:42.44 | Sunghost | ok exit and unmount ;) |
| 20:43.03 | tremon | Sunghost: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface |
| 20:43.19 | Sunghost | now or could i read it later ;) |
| 20:43.32 | tremon | later is fine, not important for now |
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| 20:44.18 | Sunghost | ok will do |
| 20:44.36 | Sunghost | sorry same failure |
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| 20:44.48 | tremon | bleh. Now I'm out of suggestions |
| 20:45.11 | Sunghost | ;( |
| 20:45.32 | tremon | Sunghost: have you been mixing 32-bit and 64-bit packages, or recently upgraded from 32-bit to 64-bit? |
| 20:45.41 | Sunghost | no never |
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| 20:46.25 | Sunghost | its a default installation with only on package and it runs all the time, for a few weeks i removed 1 disk out of the raid, but restart several times without problems |
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| 20:46.32 | Sunghost | no more happens since that |
| 20:46.44 | Sunghost | and as i wrote mdadm -D said ok |
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| 20:46.51 | tremon | I think the next step is the grub mailing list (or a #grub channel if it exists) |
| 20:46.58 | newbage_ | ok, I have debian installed and I'm getting the 'requires firmware-linux-nonfree' error |
| 20:47.02 | newbage_ | everything else is humming |
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| 20:47.15 | temhaa | hi |
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| 20:47.16 | Sunghost | ok but many thanks for your time and help |
| 20:47.23 | Sunghost | help |
| 20:48.13 | temhaa | I changed something about python in my machine. I mixed :( . How can I correct python |
| 20:48.16 | tremon | newbage_: you need to enable non-free sources if you haven't yet, then install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 20:48.23 | tremon | !tell newbage_ about non-free sources |
| 20:48.32 | temhaa | can I reinstall python and all python lib-modules |
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| 20:49.26 | tremon | temhaa: probably easiest is aptitude reinstall ~i~spython |
| 20:49.28 | newbage_ | thanks tremon |
| 20:49.43 | newbage_ | is there a way I can boot debian so that I can access the command line and issue these commands? |
| 20:50.16 | temhaa | tremon, I tried |
| 20:50.21 | temhaa | *will try |
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| 20:50.48 | tremon | newbage_: yes, but it's not easy. You will basically have to follow the same steps that sunghost just went through a few times. You will need to boot the installer again, and choose "rescue system" |
| 20:51.23 | newbage_ | well, I can boot into debian right now but I just get a normal printout until it gets to the error |
| 20:51.28 | newbage_ | then it just hangs |
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| 20:51.41 | newbage_ | so, I need a way to get in the system to change it |
| 20:52.29 | tremon | hmm, it depends on where it hangs then. You can press E in grub, and add init=/bin/bash to the end of the "linux" line |
| 20:53.00 | tremon | that may be enough, or if it hangs before reaching init, rescue is your only option |
| 20:53.23 | newbage_ | ok, I'm not booting from grub this time since grub didn't allow me to boot into Mac OS X |
| 20:53.44 | newbage_ | how do I know if it's reached init? |
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| 20:54.46 | tremon | good question. I'm not sure actually, I never pay that much attention to a working system |
| 20:54.56 | newbage_ | lol that makes sense |
| 20:55.05 | newbage_ | ok, then |
| 20:55.08 | newbage_ | how do I rescue? |
| 20:55.19 | temhaa | tremon, what is ~i? ~s? |
| 20:55.32 | newbage_ | boot from my netinst and then what? |
| 20:55.39 | tremon | temhaa: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html -- aptitude search terms |
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| 20:56.14 | tremon | newbage_: the netinst should have an option to enter rescue mode (or someting like that) |
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| 20:56.26 | temhaa | tremon, thanks a lot |
| 20:56.41 | newbage_ | I'll give it a go... BRB |
| 20:56.50 | brennanos | hi all, Im trying to figure out how to get audio support installed and working in Wheezy |
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| 20:57.01 | brennanos | I installed just the base system, then X, then Windowmaker |
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| 20:57.06 | brennanos | and thats where I stand at the moment |
| 20:57.26 | babilen | newbage_: btw, you should follow https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary to install fglrx (if that is really necessary) and don't use the .run |
| 20:57.27 | Jeeves_Moss | how can I connect my 3G USB modem via the CLI? and have it dial the PPP connection with ifconfig? |
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| 20:58.20 | tremon | brennanos: at the very least, you need alsa-base installed, and probably alsa-utils |
| 20:58.40 | brennanos | tremon: thanks, Ill install those and see what happens |
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| 21:00.03 | brennanos | tremon: huh... those are both already installed. Maybe I need something in a startup script or a mixer app for Windowmaker? |
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| 21:01.38 | tremon | brennanos: I have no idea what kind of mixer app windowmaker provides, or what you (or your programs) expect. Much of the world has moved towards pulseaudio, if you require applets they mostly require that (packages pulseaudio and pavucontrol iirc) |
| 21:02.07 | tremon | !tell brennanos about alsa checklist |
| 21:02.35 | malmelmil | Hello, this is most probably a silly question, but is there something as debian's default desktop environment? |
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| 21:02.51 | malmelmil | or it is always depending on the Iso you dl, gnome, xcfe, etc |
| 21:02.56 | malmelmil | thanks |
| 21:03.05 | tremon | malmelmil: there is, because there's a default debian install cd |
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| 21:03.19 | malmelmil | oh, I see, and does it have a name ? |
| 21:03.25 | tremon | currently it installs gnome, but iirc the jessie installer defaults to xfce |
| 21:03.35 | malmelmil | oh |
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| 21:04.02 | newbage | ok, tremon... I'm in rescue mode the missing firm ware files are b43/ucode29_mimo.fw and b43-open/ucode29_mimo.fw |
| 21:04.04 | malmelmil | I am going to google that, I wonder if it looks like wheezy on xcfe or it has been tweaked further |
| 21:04.06 | newbage | where can I find these? |
| 21:04.08 | malmelmil | thanks |
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| 21:04.48 | brennanos | tremon: yeah, I dont even really know what to ask, normally I install a distro in Virtual Box and choose the default desktop-style install and everything just works |
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| 21:05.05 | brennanos | tremon: this time Im doing more of it by hand as it were |
| 21:05.07 | mrdeb | malmelmil: what is your question |
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| 21:05.55 | malmelmil | mrdeb, I was asking about the default desktop environment for debian, but tremon already explained, thank you |
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| 21:06.07 | mrdeb | malmelmil: defaul is gnome 3 and works well now |
| 21:06.19 | mrdeb | but i run openbox |
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| 21:06.27 | malmelmil | I do really like openbox |
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| 21:06.39 | tremon | newbage: oh that's a jackpot question. Broadcom isn't known for its excellent debian support. But assuming that Apple ships quite recent chipsets, I think you need firmware-b43-installer |
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| 21:09.10 | tremon | newbage: https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx if you need more info. But missing wireless firmware should not cause your system to fail to boot |
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| 21:10.13 | tremon | brennanos: just fyi, debian does have a default-desktop-style installer :) |
| 21:10.44 | tremon | (but I'm not going to claim that everything just works with that) |
| 21:10.47 | newbage | awesome tremon... now I just need to use rescue to load my debian install and run aptget |
| 21:11.33 | newbage | I'm currently in rescue mode and it's asking which volume to load I have /dev/sa1,2,3,4,5 and /dev/sb1,2 to choose from |
| 21:12.28 | tremon | you'll have to remember to which partition you installed debian, I can't tell you that. But don't worry, if it can't find a debian install it will tell you and you can try again |
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| 21:13.03 | tremon | so choosing the wrong one has no bad effects |
| 21:13.18 | newbage | welp, I guess I'll try them one at a time |
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| 21:14.34 | ToApolytoXaos | tremon: i think i have figured out the issue and i guess it's Debian's problem |
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| 21:15.16 | ToApolytoXaos | process IDs are supposedly to be www-data but for some reason upon restart the root creates them not www-data |
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| 21:17.24 | newbage | ok tremon, I have 4 filesystems that I can execute shells on... what's the quickest command that will tell me if I'm in the right one? |
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| 21:17.33 | revo14 | my bluetooth no working what can i do? |
| 21:17.37 | revo14 | i need it |
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| 21:20.50 | newbage | should I execute a shell in the partition or in the installer environment? |
| 21:21.24 | malmelmil | quick question about debian+xcfe, is it possible to achieve drag-and-drop applications to the dock instead of adding items and configuring them ? thank you (should I go ask this somewhere xcfe irc ? ) |
| 21:21.31 | tremon | newbage: I guess cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:21.53 | tremon | newbage: you need a shell in the installed partition |
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| 21:23.21 | newbage | ok I think I'm there |
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| 21:23.46 | newbage | now I can't run aptget from here |
| 21:23.48 | temhaa | how can I ntp interval time |
| 21:23.56 | newbage | so, how do I install the appropriate driver |
| 21:23.58 | newbage | ? |
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| 21:27.48 | tremon | newbage: check your current /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:28.33 | tremon | newbage: at the very least, there should be a line similar to "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free" |
| 21:28.56 | tremon | yours probably is missing the contrib and non-free after main |
| 21:29.24 | newbage | I'm only slightly familiar with the linux command line |
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| 21:29.48 | newbage | I've cd'd into /etc/apt |
| 21:29.49 | lanodroid | newbage: try with nano |
| 21:30.05 | newbage | what command am I using? |
| 21:30.15 | tremon | newbage: as lanodroid says, type "nano sources.list" |
| 21:30.31 | lanodroid | yep |
| 21:31.34 | Jeeves_Moss | I've been able to get my PPPd dialer setup, but I keep getting "rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0x15 <ms-dns1 10.11.12.13> <ms-dns2 10.11.12.14> <ms-wins 10.11.12.13> <ms-wins 10.11.12.14>]" and I can't get an IP address. How do I fix this? |
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| 21:33.09 | newbage | apologies for the delay, I'm walking from one side of the house to the other to do this... I'm in sources.list what am I looking for? |
| 21:33.58 | tremon | see 10 lines above. Any lines starting with deb http |
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| 21:35.49 | newbage | ok, I have 3 groups of lines like those |
| 21:36.16 | newbage | 2 of the say wheezy-updates main contrib non-free |
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| 21:36.43 | lanodroid | newbage: add one without -uodates |
| 21:36.56 | lanodroid | *-updates |
| 21:37.08 | tremon | probably 1 says wheezy/updates, and one wheezy-updates. They don't matter now, we're looking for the ones saying only wheezy |
| 21:37.54 | newbage | so, the columbia mirror says wheezy main |
| 21:38.10 | LinuxGuy2020 | I am trying to use soundconverter to convert my CD ripped FLAC files to AAC like normal. Today I get (GStreamer error when creating pipeline no property "profile" in element "faac3"). Whats up with that? |
| 21:38.20 | newbage | then I have security.debian.org AND the columbia mirror that say wheezy updates |
| 21:38.29 | newbage | 3 altogether |
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| 21:40.33 | tremon | newbage: you need a line that says wheezy main contrib non-free, so if you now have only "wheezy main" on that line, add "contrib non-free" |
| 21:41.02 | newbage | ok |
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| 21:42.49 | newbage | ok, I have wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 21:43.10 | newbage | how do I save and run? |
| 21:43.17 | newbage | or is that what I do from here? |
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| 21:44.29 | newbage | what do I do now? |
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| 21:46.10 | babilen | newbage: You save that file, run "apt-get update" and then "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree amd64-microcode" to install those two packages (cf. <firmware> and <microcode> -- /msg dpkg firmware) |
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| 21:46.46 | babilen | newbage: Could you run "lspci -nn|grep -i network" while you are at it and give us the pciid of your wireless adaptor? |
| 21:46.50 | Guacuco | Want visitors to your website for free??? Join te4everyone check it out http://www.te4everyone.com/index.php?ref=176 |
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| 21:46.59 | newbage | ok...how do I save that file? |
| 21:47.08 | babilen | newbage: How do you edit it? |
| 21:47.16 | newbage | nano filename |
| 21:47.29 | newbage | I'm confused... |
| 21:47.42 | newbage | I majored in biology |
| 21:47.44 | newbage | sooo... |
| 21:48.24 | newbage | are you saying that editing the file is the same as saving it? |
| 21:48.39 | newbage | so, just hit 'escape' to get back to the command line? |
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| 21:50.18 | babilen | newbage: No, I am not saying that. Do you see the characters that are all prefixed with ^ at the bottom? |
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| 21:50.58 | newbage | yeah, I ctrl+X exited and it asked if I wanted to save |
| 21:51.07 | newbage | I said yes wrote the same filename |
| 21:51.18 | newbage | and now I'm back at the command line at / |
| 21:51.22 | newbage | now what? |
| 21:51.29 | babilen | newbage: The ^ means " CTRL and the other character is what you type to perform that action. So to save (or "write out") you use ctrl-o (or O ?) and then exit nano with ctrl-x |
| 21:51.53 | babilen | newbage: "apt-get update" |
| 21:51.59 | newbage | cool |
| 21:52.01 | babilen | newbage: Do you have an intel or amd processor? |
| 21:53.20 | newbage | intel |
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| 21:53.51 | newbage | but now we have to troubleshoot an internet connection... I'm plugged in via ethernet and it's returning failed to connect errors |
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| 21:54.25 | babilen | Ah, it's an intel. So, once you executed "apt-get update" you can install firmware and microcode with "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree intel-microcode". The run "lspci -nn|grep -i network" and give me the pciid at the end. |
| 21:55.13 | babilen | newbage: Oh, that's a pity. Could you run "ip link set eth0 up" and then "dhclient -v eth0" ? Does that get you an address? |
| 21:55.21 | tremon | newbage: I'm going to guess that your network errors are actually resolver errors |
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| 21:55.41 | tremon | newbage: can you run cat /etc/resolv.conf and tell is its contents? |
| 21:55.51 | tremon | s/is/us/ |
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| 21:56.17 | tremon | there should name "nameserver w.x.y.z" lines in there |
| 21:56.30 | tremon | needs more coffee or more sleep |
| 21:56.43 | babilen | newbage: Can you "ping 4.2.2.4" ? |
| 21:56.48 | babilen | tremon: sleep! |
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| 21:57.10 | tremon | zzz |
| 21:57.40 | teraflops | newbage: your wireless will be a b43 broadcom |
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| 21:58.45 | babilen | newbage: ping? |
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| 21:59.37 | babilen | Meh, I should sleep too ... |
| 21:59.40 | babilen | newbage: All the best! |
| 21:59.43 | newbage | ok |
| 21:59.51 | newbage | I downloaded and installed everything |
| 22:00.04 | babilen | Wonderful |
| 22:00.27 | newbage | I don't know how to type the | in this command though: lspci -nn|grep -i network |
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| 22:01.26 | babilen | newbage: Ah, that's okay ... you don't have to. Just run "lspci -nn" and find the line for your wireless adaptor yourself. |
| 22:01.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell newbage -about b43 |
| 22:01.33 | teraflops | newbage: for keyb, screen backlight etc etc take a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook_Pro_8,1_/_8,2_/_8,3_%282011%29 |
| 22:01.47 | babilen | waves |
| 22:01.53 | teraflops | the wifi is a broadcom b43 newbage |
| 22:02.06 | teraflops | i have a mbp 8.1 i think is the same newbage |
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| 22:02.44 | newbage | 14e4:4331 |
| 22:02.59 | newbage | I think you're right teraflops |
| 22:03.22 | teraflops | yes it is |
| 22:03.22 | Hypfer | okay, it seems like the java vm is leaking like crazy in debian wheezy. I've verified this by attaching a profiler to the jar file. Any idea on how to troubleshoot that? |
| 22:03.33 | teraflops | http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
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| 22:04.50 | newbage | so is this the line I want "apt-get install firmware-b43-installer" ??? |
| 22:04.58 | teraflops | yep |
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| 22:07.27 | newbage | ok, while I'm waiting for it to install, I'll just say that you guys are awesome... I would never have gotten this far without you |
| 22:07.31 | newbage | thanks a million |
| 22:07.36 | babilen | Hypfer: #debian-java on irc.oftc.net (but not a good time now, everybody's sleeping) |
| 22:08.02 | newbage | and, babilen, I mean 'you guys' in the colloquial sense... not the sexist sense... |
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| 22:08.33 | babilen | newbage: "guys" is commonly used to address mixed groups |
| 22:09.07 | newbage | so, once this is installed, what do I do? |
| 22:09.08 | newbage | reboot? |
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| 22:09.44 | newbage | ...and I was just teasing you a little babilen :P |
| 22:09.51 | newbage | no big deal |
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| 22:10.41 | newbage | ok... it's installed |
| 22:10.43 | babilen | newbage: Let's just focus on work in here please. Jokes, teasing and whatnot are much more appropriate in #debian-offtopic |
| 22:10.56 | newbage | work it is... what's next? |
| 22:11.34 | babilen | Reboot sounds fine, but then I have not been following every step, so others might still have something they want you to do. |
| 22:11.55 | teraflops | newbage: take care about keyb and mousepad for example |
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| 22:12.36 | newbage | ok... those are important... |
| 22:12.56 | newbage | how do I do those? |
| 22:13.11 | teraflops | look at the url i give you above |
| 22:13.16 | Hypfer | babilen: okay thanks! |
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| 22:13.29 | teraflops | if you get in troubles just ask |
| 22:13.39 | newbage | for b43? |
| 22:13.42 | teraflops | nop |
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| 22:14.21 | newbage | I'm sorry I'm been connecting and disconnecting every time I change computers |
| 22:14.23 | teraflops | the b43 must work out of the box if yuo are rebooting |
| 22:14.39 | newbage | can you send the link again, please? |
| 22:14.44 | teraflops | sure |
| 22:14.46 | newbage | I'll bookmark this time |
| 22:14.50 | teraflops | newbage: for keyb, screen backlight etc etc take a look at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook_Pro_8,1_/_8,2_/_8,3_%282011%29 |
| 22:15.00 | newbage | escellent |
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| 22:15.34 | newbage | can I do the rest of these from within debian though? |
| 22:15.49 | teraflops | i think yes newbage |
| 22:15.49 | newbage | or do I have to stay in rescue mode? |
| 22:15.53 | newbage | perfect |
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| 22:16.02 | newbage | I'll reboot and try that... |
| 22:16.24 | teraflops | sorry i miss your installation newbage |
| 22:16.39 | teraflops | how do you installed, using refind? |
| 22:16.40 | newbage | no big deal |
| 22:16.47 | newbage | I'm using refind |
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| 22:16.57 | newbage | now I'm in rescue mode using the netinst usb stick |
| 22:17.12 | newbage | and updating the debian install via rescue mode |
| 22:17.29 | newbage | from the command line, how do I tell it to reboot? |
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| 22:18.01 | brightkill | newbage, shutdown -r now? |
| 22:18.23 | newbage | 'shutdown -r' ? |
| 22:18.34 | brightkill | now argument is mandatory |
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| 22:18.47 | newbage | with or without the question mark? |
| 22:18.51 | brightkill | without |
| 22:19.13 | teraflops | just type reboot |
| 22:19.15 | brightkill | or you can use "reboot" command :) |
| 22:19.30 | teraflops | newbage: youll need the intel drivers |
| 22:19.34 | brightkill | but this command is deprecated afaik |
| 22:19.43 | DrRodneyMckay | Can someone please help me with a Regular Expression? I have a huge text list - http://pastebin.com/i12bNYpY - Thats just a sample, but what i need to do is only get the folder list 1 level deep folder, Example |
| 22:19.48 | DrRodneyMckay | ./Adobe Audition v6_Install.pkg/Contents/Resources/Setup/Adobe Audition CC_0/payloads/Media_db.db |
| 22:19.49 | DrRodneyMckay | ./Adobe Audition v6_Install.pkg/Contents/Resources/Setup/Adobe Audition CC_0/payloads/Media_db.sig |
| 22:19.49 | DrRodneyMckay | ./Adobe Audition v6_Install.pkg/Contents/Resources/Setup/Adobe Audition CC_0/payloads/Setup.xml |
| 22:19.50 | DrRodneyMckay | ./Adobe Audition v6_Install.pkg/Icon |
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| 22:20.07 | DrRodneyMckay | Sorry for the spa |
| 22:20.08 | DrRodneyMckay | spam |
| 22:20.17 | newbage | now it's telling me /run/initctl no such file or directory |
| 22:20.34 | brightkill | newbage, are you using some shell as init? |
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| 22:20.43 | newbage | I don't know |
| 22:20.55 | teraflops | newbage: if you are in a chroot exit first |
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| 22:21.02 | teraflops | then reboot |
| 22:21.14 | newbage | how do I do that? |
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| 22:21.14 | newbage | chroot exit? |
| 22:21.16 | brightkill | type exit |
| 22:21.20 | newbage | k |
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| 22:21.52 | brightkill | you also can press ctrl-alt-delete for reboot |
| 22:22.01 | DrRodneyMckay | Can someone please help with a RegEx / Filtering some data? I have a example in here - http://pastebin.com/2ae2XgFv |
| 22:22.40 | brightkill | DrRodneyMckay, find -depth 1? |
| 22:23.00 | DrRodneyMckay | Unfortonalty i no longer have access to the host system, This is the output that i was sent. I wish i could :( |
| 22:23.11 | brightkill | find -depth 1 ./Adobe Audition v6_Install.pkg/ |
| 22:23.47 | newbage | ok |
| 22:23.57 | newbage | the boot went waaayyyy past where it hanged last time |
| 22:24.02 | DrRodneyMckay | brightkill - I asked them to do that, but they did not, I no longer have access to the host system to re run the command and need to filter the text list i have :( Sorry dude |
| 22:24.10 | newbage | now it's stopped at USB video class driver |
| 22:24.15 | newbage | and just sitting there |
| 22:24.25 | brightkill | oh, sorry |
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| 22:24.39 | brightkill | find ./Adobe Audition v6_Install.pkg/ -maxdepth 2 |
| 22:24.42 | brightkill | this is correct |
| 22:25.15 | newbage | any reason it would hang at USB Video class driver (1.1.1) |
| 22:25.17 | newbage | ??? |
| 22:25.44 | brightkill | newbage, remove the module |
| 22:25.51 | brightkill | by modprobe -r |
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| 22:26.43 | lulzer | hey remember me :? |
| 22:27.18 | newbage | do I have to reboot using the netinst disk and go back into the partition with a shell? |
| 22:27.24 | brightkill | lulzer, hm, you have a good funny nick :D |
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| 22:27.39 | lulzer | thanks :P |
| 22:27.52 | lulzer | anyway i was wondering if anyone could help me with connectivity issues |
| 22:28.21 | lulzer | i was here a little whiel ago and u gys were super helpful getting my firmware up and running but now when i am not right ontop of my router, the connection is almost non |
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| 22:36.07 | newbage | ok, how am I removing the module? |
| 22:36.22 | newbage | modprobe -r |
| 22:36.31 | newbage | which module do I specify? |
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| 22:37.20 | teraflops | uvcvideo newbage |
| 22:37.36 | teraflops | but i dont know why are yoy having this issue |
| 22:39.44 | newbage | what is uvcvideo? |
| 22:39.58 | newbage | and I can install the module later, right? |
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| 22:41.14 | newbage | is there a way to boot debian so it doesn't hang if one of the modules doesn't load properly? |
| 22:42.23 | lulzer | safemod? |
| 22:42.27 | lulzer | safemode? |
| 22:43.22 | teraflops | newbage: yes |
| 22:43.43 | teraflops | blacklist |
| 22:44.17 | teraflops | newbage: is the webcam _isight_ |
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| 22:45.17 | teraflops | just blacklist until dealing with it, so you can atill fixin things newbage |
| 22:45.57 | newbage | ok now when I boot it says conflicting fb hw radeon vs EFI VGA |
| 22:46.35 | teraflops | newbage: look at the url i gave you |
| 22:46.59 | teraflops | read slowly pick your case and follow the steps |
| 22:47.23 | newbage | which part is it? |
| 22:47.26 | newbage | I'm very new to this |
| 22:47.43 | teraflops | let me see |
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| 22:50.30 | lulzer | can anyone tell me how to increase my wifi signal strength? |
| 22:50.46 | lulzer | any ideas? i need to be right ontop of my router to get any kind of decent signal |
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| 22:51.49 | teraflops | newbage: you get `invalid rom contents`? |
| 22:52.03 | newbage | no |
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| 22:52.21 | lulzer | teraflops do u have any ideas? |
| 22:53.09 | teraflops | lulzer: try iwconfix set tx ... |
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| 22:53.24 | teraflops | `iwconfig set tx ` |
| 22:53.32 | lulzer | tx? |
| 22:54.34 | teraflops | lulzer: tx value |
| 22:54.41 | teraflops | for increasing tx power |
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| 22:54.47 | teraflops | you asked me for any idea |
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| 22:55.17 | lulzer | i know but i dont understand how running iwconfig will help me. how do I add "tx value"? |
| 22:55.27 | teraflops | newbage: uhm i didnt use the refind method so i didnt get that error |
| 22:55.40 | newbage | it gets all the way to the line "fb:conflicting fb hx radeondrmfb vs EFI VGA" |
| 22:55.43 | newbage | then hangs |
| 22:56.15 | newbage | hx = hw |
| 22:57.13 | teraflops | sudo iwconfig wlan0 tx 17 |
| 22:57.15 | nodata | i add ErrorDocument 404 /index.htm <-- to my .htaccess and put .htaccess in /var/www in vps, but when i try access any unknow.htm , it show me not found error instead of goto index file. |
| 22:57.24 | teraflops | new let me see |
| 22:57.29 | teraflops | newbage: * |
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| 22:58.00 | teraflops | i think you nned to disable KMS newbage |
| 22:58.05 | teraflops | need/ |
| 22:58.09 | newbage | what's KMS? |
| 22:58.13 | newbage | and how do I do that? |
| 22:58.58 | teraflops | try the modesetting values at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook_Pro_8,1_/_8,2_/_8,3_%282011%29#Video_and_screen newbage |
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| 22:59.20 | nodata | why .htaccess is not working ? |
| 22:59.26 | nodata | did i do any mistake ? |
| 22:59.47 | brightkill | hah, archwiki links in #debian :) |
| 23:00.12 | teraflops | try the first newbage if didint wotk then try the second |
| 23:00.38 | teraflops | you need to set that stuff in the /etc/default/grub newbage |
| 23:01.10 | nodata | need help: i add ErrorDocument 404 /index.htm <-- to my .htaccess and put .htaccess file in /var/www in vps, but when i try to access any unknown.htm , it show me not found error ....instead of goto index file., why .htaccess is not working ? |
| 23:01.32 | teraflops | be carefull what yo set in that file, i mean re-read re-chexk newbage |
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| 23:02.29 | teraflops | brightkill: if you have a debian one up-to-date fell free to paste for us |
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| 23:07.30 | lulzer | teraflops that did nothing :( |
| 23:07.35 | lulzer | any more suggestions? |
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| 23:07.59 | teraflops | hw related: nothing |
| 23:08.07 | teraflops | i mean sw related |
| 23:08.50 | teraflops | trying another driver or haching/buying the current/new one antenna lulzer |
| 23:09.32 | lulzer | ive tried to switch over to b43 do you know how i can do that? |
| 23:09.52 | teraflops | lulzer: i dont know if your wireless nick is supported |
| 23:10.33 | teraflops | lulzer: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 23:11.29 | newbage | ok, does changing the etc/default/grub file in nano matter if I'm not booting using GRUB? |
| 23:11.42 | newbage | ...since I'm using rEFInd |
| 23:11.44 | lulzer | ive been at this for years |
| 23:11.49 | lulzer | im so fucking done |
| 23:12.13 | teraflops | newbage: you are booting usgin grub |
| 23:12.25 | newbage | good to know |
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| 23:13.04 | teraflops | power on => refind => grub |
| 23:13.32 | teraflops | lulzer: your signal is weak? |
| 23:14.41 | lulzer | yes, very |
| 23:15.51 | newbage | ok, I don't see the file /etc/defaults/grub |
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| 23:16.07 | newbage | or etc/grub/defaults |
| 23:16.17 | teraflops | lulzer: there are cheap usb with +8db antennas |
| 23:16.34 | teraflops | are very powerful |
| 23:16.36 | lulzer | ugh ive blown money on those |
| 23:16.42 | teraflops | uhm |
| 23:16.44 | lulzer | the installers are for windows only |
| 23:16.50 | teraflops | not it isnt |
| 23:17.04 | teraflops | there are realtek ones i.e |
| 23:17.12 | teraflops | out of the box in linux |
| 23:17.30 | teraflops | loves realtek |
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| 23:21.28 | teraflops | newbage: wiling to help but my eyes are closing, good look |
| 23:21.39 | teraflops | luck* |
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| 23:21.51 | newbage | I understand |
| 23:21.57 | newbage | I've been at this all day |
| 23:22.13 | newbage | thanks for all the help teraflops |
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| 23:22.51 | teraflops | anyway i think its a matter of time an fix the issues one by one so dont give up |
| 23:23.01 | newbage | anyone else still around who can advise how to change i915 and radeon modest on boot? |
| 23:23.18 | newbage | modeset* |
| 23:24.07 | newbage | it's a lot of time... I'm going to figure out how to do this... I'm just very new and can't really make use of troubleshooting files at the moment |
| 23:24.40 | newbage | anyone else still around who can advise how to change i915 and radeon modeset on boot? |
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| 23:26.28 | teraflops | newbage: yo can add by hand at boot (safer) or at the end of GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="my options" |
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| 23:49.22 | hugg | Hey, if I install a ruby gem with apt, like ruby-twitter, that usually has a CLI tool, (in this case `t`), how can I use the tool in a shell? What dir should be in $path? |
| 23:50.06 | Arahael | always tends to prefer using ruby tools to manage ruby deps, and likewise for python. :/ |
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| 23:51.18 | hugg | Arahael: yes that's how I feel too, but I just did `gem update --system` as root and it took a decade. I'm not going to wait another decade. I just want to play with the tool. I can find it in /var/lib/gems.... but no bin. |
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| 23:52.28 | Arahael | hugg: I would try not to mess with teh system ruby or python, though. |
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| 23:53.12 | hugg | Arahael: but ruby-twitter is in testing... it should work. |
| 23:53.50 | Arahael | hugg: Yeah, that tool should have installed a link to the script. |
| 23:54.11 | Arahael | hugg: That lets you call it without caring that it's even a ruby script. |
| 23:54.12 | hugg | Arahael: and usually that link would place itself in bin? |
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| 23:54.23 | hugg | Arahael: like /usr/bin? |
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| 23:54.43 | Arahael | hugg: Most of my ruby dev is on windows. (Which is sad), but there, most scripts go into C:/ruby193/scripts or something similar. Python certainly does. |
| 23:54.53 | Arahael | hugg: But yes, I'd expect it to be in /usr/bin |
| 23:55.10 | Arahael | Not sure what the debian ruby policy is though. |
| 23:55.35 | Arahael | gtg! |
| 23:55.41 | hugg | Arahael: I'm going to cry. It's not there. thanks anyway. |
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| 23:56.05 | Arahael | hugg: At worst, you could call ruby with an argument to load a script. |
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| 23:58.39 | hugg | Arahael: solution: removing all apt-get gems, and rebuilding over 200 gems. yay. go me. im so smart today. #fml. |
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