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| 00:32.22 | newbage | if I want to disable KMS, and the default value for my radeon.conf file is 1 should I change that to 0? |
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| 00:59.25 | newbage | ok, I'm stuck on my debian install |
| 00:59.35 | newbage | this is the screen I get when it freezes: http://i.imgur.com/5nkoNAP.jpg |
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| 01:04.05 | zykotick9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.14 | dvs | zykotick9: blasphemy! |
| 01:04.23 | zykotick9 | dvs: embarrasing too |
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| 01:07.04 | newbage | so, I'm stuck with my debian install |
| 01:07.19 | newbage | this is the screen I get when debian freezes during boot: http://i.imgur.com/5nkoNAP.jpg |
| 01:07.24 | newbage | can anyone help? |
| 01:08.05 | zykotick9 | newbage: next time, buy better hardware ;) |
| 01:08.19 | newbage | I'm planning on it |
| 01:08.31 | newbage | right now the cheapest option is to use the hardware I have |
| 01:09.03 | newbage | can you help? |
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| 01:12.42 | Coweater | how can i make a touchscreen prevent screen blanking? |
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| 01:16.25 | AndrewMock | okay i a newb and i hate how the dvd images i downloaded are messing up my package software |
| 01:16.27 | AndrewMock | like apt |
| 01:16.37 | AndrewMock | would the cd image do this better? |
| 01:17.55 | dvs | nope, there's no difference |
| 01:18.05 | AndrewMock | :| |
| 01:19.07 | Coweater | what do you mean by messing up? |
| 01:19.24 | AndrewMock | it only looks in my DVDs for updates |
| 01:19.32 | AndrewMock | like the internet doesn't exist |
| 01:19.42 | AndrewMock | and the GNOME tool to fix it is bork |
| 01:19.49 | dvs | AndrewMock: That's why there's the netinst iso |
| 01:20.01 | AndrewMock | oh ok thx |
| 01:20.08 | AndrewMock | ill try that |
| 01:20.26 | Coweater | so either edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the lines for the dvd, add one for a repository if it's somehow missing |
| 01:20.47 | AndrewMock | yeah |
| 01:20.48 | dvs | AndrewMock: Oh? it's already installed? |
| 01:20.55 | Coweater | synaptic or other tools have the ability to edit repos as well |
| 01:21.04 | AndrewMock | okay thx |
| 01:21.12 | zykotick9 | AndrewMock: when you installed, was there no internet at the time? that will result in no network repos being added. |
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| 01:21.48 | AndrewMock | dvs yes i had to edit the sources.list but if that is needed out of the gate then something else might be a bit off |
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| 01:22.05 | AndrewMock | im in an awkward position between noob and OCD |
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| 01:22.47 | dvs | AndrewMock: Installing from the DVD or CD images (as opposed to the netinst image) will add the DVD/CD as a source for packages. |
| 01:23.14 | AndrewMock | lol |
| 01:23.53 | AndrewMock | Imagine using Windows Update by getting CD-ROMs sent to your house. |
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| 01:24.55 | zykotick9 | AndrewMock: put # in front of the DVD line(s) in your /etc/apt/sources.list = problem solved. |
| 01:25.30 | AndrewMock | yah i know i am actually more worried about deployment technical people |
| 01:25.40 | dvs | AndrewMock: pastebin your sources.list to paste.debian.net |
| 01:25.42 | AndrewMock | to less technical* |
| 01:26.38 | zykotick9 | AndrewMock: use netinst = no problem |
| 01:26.56 | AndrewMock | yep thats what i wanted :) |
| 01:27.38 | AndrewMock | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HdaXa7FV |
| 01:28.12 | dvs | AndrewMock: Looks OK to me. |
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| 01:28.29 | zykotick9 | AndrewMock: just a sidenote, but i _might_ not be the only one who doesn't go to pastebin.com. see "/msg dpkg pastebin.com" for some explanation... |
| 01:29.06 | AndrewMock | k |
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| 01:45.26 | justanotheruser | what is the safest way to upgrade GLIBC to <= 2.15 |
| 01:46.11 | somiaj | justanotheruser: you don't want to upgrade your glibc, what version of debian do you run and what is it you want to do? |
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| 01:47.51 | justanotheruser | somiaj: Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linu |
| 01:48.03 | justanotheruser | I want to use bitcoind which requires GLIBC 2.15 |
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| 01:51.57 | alumno | hola ,alguien sabe como instalar drivers nvidia en debian?? |
| 01:52.38 | lrvick | Hey I was looking through using limits.conf to limit memory, but I can't see how to limit the maximum memory a user can consume. What is my best bet for this? |
| 01:54.11 | justanotheruser | somiaj: why don't I want to upgrade? |
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| 01:59.37 | newbage | can someone help me with my debian install? |
| 01:59.42 | newbage | I can't figure it out... |
| 02:00.35 | newbage | this is my boot screen http://i.imgur.com/5nkoNAP.jpg |
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| 02:00.42 | newbage | can someone help? |
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| 02:01.38 | AndrewMock | one thing to know is that sometimes it just "sits there" |
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| 02:02.13 | AndrewMock | so sometimes you have to wait a couple minutes while it dances around in another universe |
| 02:02.21 | AndrewMock | esp. with Live CDs and installers |
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| 02:03.26 | A|an | newbage: Is that Debian?? |
| 02:03.41 | newbage | alan, yes |
| 02:03.55 | AndrewMock | i see the FaceTime drivers lol |
| 02:04.18 | A|an | And it's the first optical disc? |
| 02:04.50 | newbage | it's a USB netinst that I just finished and am booting |
| 02:04.55 | newbage | it gets to that screen and hangs |
| 02:04.59 | A|an | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.06 | A|an | ohh... |
| 02:05.26 | newbage | I've only it is debian 7.5 though |
| 02:05.52 | newbage | I've also updated the apt source file to nonfree |
| 02:06.05 | newbage | and installed b43 firmware |
| 02:06.10 | newbage | but that's really it |
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| 02:06.44 | somiaj | justanotheruser: libc6 is a part of teh core libaries on your machine, basically you want to keep that the version in wheezy |
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| 02:06.54 | newbage | I can't get it to boot |
| 02:07.06 | somiaj | justanotheruser: if you cannot compile the program from source to use the wheezy glibc, you could build a jessie chroot and run the application in there |
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| 02:09.48 | A|an | newbage: I've never done/attempted that...you chose the proper architecture and so forth and so on, right? (https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst) |
| 02:10.05 | newbage | yeah amd64 |
| 02:11.10 | A|an | Since no one else is jumping in here, why don't you burn the first iso to disc? Installation from it runs like a top. |
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| 02:12.10 | newbage | the machine I'm trying to install on doesn't have an optical drive |
| 02:12.18 | lrvick | So it seems in sid /etc/cgconfig.conf is not a thing. Nor can I find any daemons after isntalling cgroup-bin. Any ideas wtf these went? |
| 02:12.57 | A|an | damn, great |
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| 02:13.43 | AndrewMock | unetbootin? |
| 02:13.45 | newbage | yeah, I'm pretty far along though |
| 02:13.59 | newbage | it works great except for the video cards fighting each other |
| 02:14.05 | newbage | ...and me not knowing how to configure it |
| 02:14.24 | newbage | this is the resource I've been using: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook |
| 02:14.32 | newbage | but I don't understand/can't follow a lot of it |
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| 02:19.43 | newbage | anyone care to add anything? |
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| 02:22.47 | A|an | Well, I'm reading through the Debian guide...haven't found anything useful yet |
| 02:23.12 | A|an | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s04.html.en#idp5731200 |
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| 02:24.25 | A|an | So, you used always had to use a flash drive to install and OS onto your laptop? |
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| 02:25.37 | justanotheruser | somiaj: okay, I'll build from source |
| 02:25.45 | A|an | Evidently you can also install over FTP, too. |
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| 02:29.39 | TommyC | Hmmm...need some help with a lilo.conf here. I dd'd my Debian installation over to another drive (say sdb). However, both hard drives (the one that was read from and sdb that I wrote to) are both using LVM, so my lilo.conf has: root = /dev/Debian/root instead of say: /dev/sdb1 or something along those lines. I was wondering how I specify lilo to boot from /dev/sdb1? |
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| 02:31.28 | nevyn | use grub2 which understands lvm properly? |
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| 02:33.42 | TommyC | Heh, I'd like to stick with lilo for this. :) |
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| 02:44.57 | aqeee23fa | best linux filemanager/explorer ? |
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| 02:47.20 | shingouz | !best |
| 02:47.20 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 02:50.07 | aqeee23fa | dpkg, best for me |
| 02:50.09 | dpkg | aqeee23fa: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 02:53.22 | shingouz | aqeee23fa: dpkg is a bot and your question is pretty much unanswerable. your best bet would be to just try them out and see which one works best for you |
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| 02:55.40 | aqeee23fa | shingouz, i dont want to try out |
| 02:55.44 | aqeee23fa | i need a manager that |
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| 02:55.56 | aqeee23fa | when i open file open/save dialog |
| 02:56.08 | aqeee23fa | i will be able to rename files or open them from this dialog |
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| 02:57.49 | shingouz | aqeee23fa: afaik, most of them have that functionality. |
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| 02:58.12 | aqeee23fa | shingouz, the defualt one for lxde dosent |
| 02:58.15 | aqeee23fa | PCMANFM |
| 02:58.21 | aqeee23fa | what to replace it with then |
| 02:59.57 | ctmjr | aqeee23fa: you can try thunar or nautilus they both do what you said you wanted |
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| 03:08.41 | cvillavicencio0 | hello |
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| 03:09.47 | cvillavicencio0 | i need help to connect wifi...? this is the right place to answer?? |
| 03:10.13 | dvs | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 03:11.08 | cvillavicencio0 | ehm, but dvs, theres a channel to ask for help about it? |
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| 03:11.29 | dvs | cvillavicencio0: you can ask here. |
| 03:11.37 | dvs | but that's a good starting point |
| 03:12.30 | cvillavicencio0 | it's the first time that this problem happens to me :( |
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| 03:18.41 | aqeee23fa | why debian starts so slow? |
| 03:18.48 | cvillavicencio0 | ram? |
| 03:19.02 | aqeee23fa | 900 |
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| 03:19.31 | cvillavicencio0 | hmm... isn't much, but not enough to be slowly |
| 03:20.32 | aqeee23fa | ok there is other reason |
| 03:20.44 | aqeee23fa | this crap shit called virtualbox is having 1MB/s hdd performance |
| 03:20.53 | aqeee23fa | any replacement recommended? |
| 03:21.14 | cvillavicencio0 | hmmm |
| 03:21.20 | cvillavicencio0 | u rly use vb? |
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| 03:21.59 | aqeee23fa | yes |
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| 03:36.57 | DukePyrolator | hi, why is https://packages.debian.org/en/jessie/amd64/libapache2-mod-proxy-html/filelist nearly empty? where have all the files gone? on my squeeze box this package has a lot more files |
| 03:38.08 | jmcnaught | DukePyrolator: i just read the description of that package and it looks like it's a transitional package. I guess that bit is now part of apache2-bin |
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| 03:40.24 | DukePyrolator | jmcnaught: I used apt-file to search for proxy_html.conf and there is no such file (except in puppet-module-puppetlabs-apache, but I dont want this) |
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| 03:41.51 | jmcnaught | DukePyrolator: i'm not sure, i haven't used apache in jessie yet. maybe there's been changes upstream? |
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| 03:48.53 | themill | DukePyrolator: mod-proxy-html is already installed if you've got the apache2 package installed. use a2enmod to enable it. |
| 03:49.11 | mortal1_ | does anyone have a good understanding of what initramfs is, and how it goes about prompting for a pass, and unlocking an encrypted partition? |
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| 03:50.26 | mortal1_ | I have a pastebin of my crypttab and fstab if that helps: http://pastebin.com/HZAwKgAn |
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| 03:51.41 | acu | I install owncloud in jessie with apache 2.4, I can access localhost/owncloud through webbrowser, I know where owncloud is /usr/share/owncloud but i do not know where exactly the configuration of apache is to point to owncloud (is already pointing to it), but I do not know how that happens, I looked at /etc/apache2/sites-available or sites-enabled, I have only /000default.cfg and default-ssl, but nohere owncloud, can anyone help me to |
| 03:51.41 | acu | identify where is apache configured so it goes http:// localhost/owncloud is configured ? |
| 03:51.52 | DukePyrolator | themill: the problem is that I can't find the /etc/apache2/mods-available/proxy_html.conf ... this file contains some important settings that I can not find anywhere (I already grepped for it) |
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| 03:52.38 | jmcnaught | acu: the owncloud in wheezy-backports has it's conf in /etc/apache2/conf.d which makes it available under all virtual hosts |
| 03:53.48 | themill | DukePyrolator: that's only a default config file -- if all those settings are just its own defaults then it's not needed. If you want to make different settings, you can just create your own config file. |
| 03:55.44 | jmcnaught | acu: /usr/share/doc/$package often has a README.Debian file with information on Debian specifics.. that's how i found the location of owncloud's config |
| 03:56.37 | DukePyrolator | themill: I just copied this config file from my old squeeze box, restarted apache and everything is working fine now. |
| 03:57.09 | DukePyrolator | problem solved, thanks :D |
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| 03:59.19 | acu | jmcnaught, thanks a bunch, I found it it is indeed in /etc/apache2/conf-enabled/owncloud.conf , yesterday I made this one manually trying to make it work on wheezy with backports (actually it threw a slew of incompatibilities), jessie installed owncloud nicely, however I am trying to make it work through ssl and webdav has some issues |
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| 04:00.57 | jmcnaught | acu: just keep in mind that jessie is not finished yet and might not be the best choice for a server :) |
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| 04:01.26 | themill | DukePyrolator: if that file is truly needed then please file a bug asking the maintainers to include it. (It might be there are good reasons not to, but they can always explain that in the bug and close it if they want) |
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| 04:06.28 | acu | jmcnaught, thanks for advise, I know, however wheezy-backports owncloud did not work, I could look and perhaps fix it, at least I can parallel it with jessie, in jessie a lot more dependencies where installed (as configured by packagers), so I have to assume that they know better, again, I used to install owncloud manually on previous versions, but it seem the learning never ends :) |
| 04:09.07 | jmcnaught | acu: indeed, there is no bottom to the rabbit hole. personally i prefer to run stable because the security updates are more timely and there are fewer surprises when updates do happen. I installed owncloud from wheezy-backports for a friend a few weeks ago and it worked well, but I haven't checked with them to see if the update from owncloud 5 to 6 went okay |
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| 04:10.46 | acu | jmcnaught, there are a lot of issues upgrading from one version to other, however at this point my main objective and concern is the ssl https access of owncloud, still facing errors, if you have any hint, or tutorial which works, is appreciated |
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| 04:12.13 | jmcnaught | acu: hmmm.. https should have nothing to do with owncloud really. that would be configured in apache. Have you enabled the "default-ssl" site? |
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| 04:14.06 | AndrewMock` | hey does the wheezy netinst verify the integrity of the downloaded files? |
| 04:14.36 | jmcnaught | acu: in wheezy it would be this command: "a2ensite default-ssl" (not really sure how different it is in jessie, this is the wheezy support channel after all :) |
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| 04:15.12 | snadge | why does apt-get install nmap want to install 72 packages? :/ |
| 04:15.24 | aqeee23fa | crmjr nautilus is gnome-based, thunar-xfce based |
| 04:15.37 | aqeee23fa | rather used somethin without such dependiences |
| 04:15.59 | jmcnaught | snadge: you could turn off recommends: "apt-get install nmap --no-install-recommends" |
| 04:16.08 | themill | AndrewMock`: of the netinst itself, no, you do that yourself. Of the .debs it will download, yes. |
| 04:17.06 | dizzylizzy | see this is why I like apaitude over apt-get |
| 04:17.10 | dizzylizzy | aptitude -R |
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| 04:19.13 | AndrewMock` | themill: exactly what i hoped. thanks! |
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| 04:27.57 | themill | AndrewMock`: there's a cryptographic chain of all packages back to debian no matter which mirror you actually download them from and using what unauthenticated protocol. /msg dpkg secure apt |
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| 04:30.34 | acu | jmcnaught, thanks, I did enable the default-ssl - I wonder if the owncloud config and access will go through ssl if the default-ssl points to /www/htlm not to /usr/share/owncloud ? so if I do https://myip/owncloud is encrypted or not ? I am a bit confused whether conf-enabled/owncloud.conf needs to be changed |
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| 04:35.58 | jmcnaught | acu: well if you can browse to https://localhost/owncloud, do you get the lock in your address bar? you probably also get a warning about the self-signed certificate? I doubt that conf-enabled/owncloud.conf needs to be changed. |
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| 04:36.53 | acu | yes, I got the lock and the warning |
| 04:38.35 | jmcnaught | acu: now that default-ssl is enabled you could try disabling the "default" site. Also right now you're using an SSL certificate that is generated automatically. If you don't want to have to deal with the security exceptions you'll need to get a certificate signed by a Certificate Authority. |
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| 04:39.02 | acu | I know there is a way to use curl and wireshark to see whether you indeed encrypt the files |
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| 04:39.09 | jmcnaught | acu: the Apache documentation is also quite good in my opinion. *hint* |
| 04:39.30 | acu | for this server is self-signed |
| 04:39.54 | jmcnaught | acu: https (over TLS) has nothing to do with the actual files being encrypted on the disk |
| 04:40.03 | acu | also, a bit of confusion whether snakeoil generated cert is OK or I should make one manual |
| 04:40.45 | jmcnaught | the snakeoil certificate is probably just as good as one that you create manually. It still does encryption, the downside is that there's no verification |
| 04:40.55 | acu | jmcnaught, yes, obviously, local file or hard disk encryption is not the same as encrypting the data when you send it |
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| 04:41.36 | jmcnaught | acu: okay i just wasn't sure what you meant |
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| 04:42.17 | acu | jmcnaught, thanks a bunch, you are really very helpful, it happens that I know most of it, but for a newbie you are an excellent teacher |
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| 04:42.47 | jmcnaught | acu: gee thanks |
| 04:44.07 | acu | I think this is the main issue and solution for the ssl webdav in owncloud -> https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues/7045 |
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| 04:44.55 | acu | yesterday I reached this place, but perhaps I did not make the right changes, today is second round |
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| 04:46.45 | jmcnaught | acu: well good luck figuring it out, i got newbie stuff to do :P |
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| 04:54.23 | ruukasu | how can I run apt-mirror on FreeBSD? |
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| 04:55.19 | ruukasu | (or any "inapt" system for that matter) |
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| 04:56.34 | jmcnaught | ruukasu: clone the git repository? it looks like it's just a perl script |
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| 04:57.06 | ruukasu | doesn't it require apt-get though? |
| 04:57.34 | scooty_puff | does anyone know of a way to mount an smb folder locally? |
| 04:57.36 | ruukasu | oh |
| 04:57.37 | ruukasu | * It works on all POSIX compliant systems with Perl and wget |
| 04:57.38 | ruukasu | cool |
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| 04:59.29 | wols | scooty_puff: mount -t cifs. you mount them like any other filesystem |
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| 05:00.42 | scooty_puff | wols: got it thanks. |
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| 05:26.30 | AndrewMock` | Is it okay to use HTTPS with apt-get or am I wrong? |
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| 05:27.26 | AndrewMock` | Oh wait never mind. Not needed lol |
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| 05:30.00 | mylar | I understand that package signatures are verified; but I don't see why https is not used as another layer of integrity - if only to obfuscate. |
| 05:31.30 | nevyn | why do you care where it came from if it's the right thing? |
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| 05:32.20 | mylar | lol |
| 05:32.30 | nevyn | so https would prevent someone from knowing you're installing pornview I guess. |
| 05:32.37 | AndrewMock | what is that? |
| 05:32.43 | AndrewMock | I am not googling that |
| 05:32.56 | nevyn | no need apt-cache show pornview |
| 05:33.05 | AndrewMock | :\ no thank you |
| 05:33.32 | nevyn | do really it's hillarious |
| 05:33.40 | nevyn | if somewhat eww and creapy at the same time. |
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| 05:34.16 | mylar | Well, there are probably a few backwater places on earth where installing bibletime could get you killed |
| 05:34.25 | Artemis3 | interestingly ubuntu appears to have some https mirrors |
| 05:35.11 | AndrewMock | likely because they don't know about the signature verification |
| 05:35.30 | AndrewMock | classic Ubuntu fanboys |
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| 05:36.56 | nevyn | AndrewMock: so I think we've established that your package selection does reveal info about you? |
| 05:37.27 | nevyn | like I wouldn't read too much into it. but. people might. |
| 05:37.33 | AndrewMock | yes but i am only worried about intregrity in my context |
| 05:37.48 | mylar | meh, hopefully smarter people than me have considered all the angles for integrity. |
| 05:37.49 | nevyn | particularly for individual packages or package installs that are dependancies of a single package... |
| 05:38.08 | nevyn | maybe I should change my current practices to be more anonymous. |
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| 05:44.57 | acu | how can I list all files related to an installed application ? I am trying to find /3rdparty/sabre/dav/tests/Sabre/DAV/Client.php for owncloud, I found 3rdparty but no sabre is there ? and of course no client.php |
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| 05:55.00 | jmcnaught | acu: dpkg -L $package for a list of files installed by that package. The file you're looking for is in a different package though |
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| 05:57.45 | mylar | php-sabre-dav may be a place to start |
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| 05:59.11 | nevyn | jmcnaught: like the princess being in another castle? |
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| 06:48.09 | piko` | Hello, I have some troubles with debootstrap reporting malformed Packages ... anyone heard about that these days? I checked google but similar issues seem to be too old |
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| 06:49.12 | piko` | ... I mean the posts I've found were present during MD5->SHA1 change in signatures which happened three years ago or so |
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| 06:52.29 | piko` | The same problem seems to happen for ubuntu ... this really seems to be a deboostrap bug |
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| 06:57.42 | piko` | and not even git source seems to be able to cope with it |
| 06:58.16 | piko` | could anyone check that for me? I am insice some intranet and I would like to exclude the option that it is caused by networking around |
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| 06:58.58 | piko` | all I need is someone trying to debootstrap using version from git clone git://git.debian.org/d-i/debootstrap.git for x86_64 |
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| 07:33.56 | themill | piko`: errors with the Packages file sounds like something injecting crap into your http downloads. The Packages files aren't broken on the mirrors as a rule. |
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| 07:34.38 | themill | (but you could always try a different mirror just in case the one you're using is actually broken. it does happen from time to time) |
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| 07:35.09 | Fantasmitaaa | Hi |
| 07:35.27 | Fantasmitaaa | i need help |
| 07:35.35 | Fantasmitaaa | with my... d1ck |
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| 08:00.47 | flukiluke | Are you allowed to end a package name with a - or + symbol? If so, how does apt-get handle it when you append those symbols to indicate install or removal? |
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| 08:05.07 | themill | flukiluke: there's nothing in policy to prevent that (and indeed packages like bonnie++ do exist). I assume that the operator is only an operator if it's not part of the package name. I don't know how it's going to handle both foo and foo+ existing though |
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| 08:07.32 | themill | (there are in fact 34 packages that end in + but none that end in - at present) |
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| 08:08.55 | jelly-home | apt-get upgrade memtest86+ |
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| 08:09.19 | themill | win! |
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| 08:10.33 | LostCat | hi |
| 08:10.36 | jelly-home | (well, there's a single interpretation that makes sense in this case) |
| 08:10.49 | n3ptun | hello. I have installed Debian Jessie installed, and using Gnome3 with gdm3. I would like to disable composite effects because I have tearing problems in XBMC. How can I check which composite manager I am using and how do I disable it? |
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| 08:11.16 | mjt | this reminds me that memtest86(+) does not work in efi mode... |
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| 08:11.50 | flukiluke | Hmm. That certainly makes things interesting. |
| 08:12.15 | mjt | oh. they implemented v5 now, with efi support! |
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| 08:12.28 | babilen | +1+ |
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| 08:15.09 | n3ptun | hello. I have installed Debian Jessie installed, and using Gnome3 with gdm3. I would like to disable composite effects because I have tearing problems in XBMC. How can I check which composite manager I am using and how do I disable it? |
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| 08:15.45 | mjt | gnome3-shell (the new gnome ui) does not work without compositing |
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| 08:18.01 | n3ptun | can I check somehow if my DE is using any compisite manager? |
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| 08:19.44 | n3ptun | mjt: at my login window manager I can choose betweend "Standard", "Gnome Classic" and "XBMC". I think the tab "XBMC" was inserted, after I installed XBMC onto that system. Maybe I can edit/force this template somehow, so composite effects are totally disabled when I login with "xbmc" template? I guess XBMC won't need composite effects |
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| 08:28.00 | _mel_ | Hi there . i have a strange problem using php-fpm on wheezy. after some time, the fscgi-pm process listen on port 80 instead of apache. how can that be? http://pastebin.com/vFrkqLzp |
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| 08:34.52 | markotitel | and what about logs? configs? |
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| 08:37.12 | _mel_ | nothing but some long los child messages |
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| 08:39.30 | _mel_ | do i need to disable cgid when using fcgid? |
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| 08:53.44 | _mel_ | reloading the apache process doesn't change anything. but after restarting, the apache2 process is listing on port 80 again |
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| 09:09.19 | angs | I am trying to route the traffic from one interface (wlan3) to another (wlan2), but it does not some how. I have these settings http://pastebin.com/Cayk6qYj I cannot ping ping -I wlan2 8.8.8.8 any suggestion how can I debug it? |
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| 09:11.23 | jelly | is there a way to autologin a user to KDE in wheezy, with the screen locked? |
| 09:11.34 | jelly | just wants everything to start |
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| 09:12.51 | peetaur2 | jelly: what an interesting idea. I hate the auto-login the way it is, but I would like that enough. |
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| 09:17.45 | mylar | dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver.Lock in a login script... |
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| 09:20.16 | Iridos | jelly, can't you use normal auto-login and have the screensaver auto-start as one of the programs that are run in xsessionrc? |
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| 09:21.19 | Iridos | I mean... should be easy to either start it or run xscreensaver-command -lock |
| 09:21.29 | Iridos | there might be a race, though |
| 09:22.09 | jelly | there must not be a race! |
| 09:22.10 | Iridos | angs, I think you might have more luck in ##networking |
| 09:22.21 | jelly | does not like races |
| 09:22.41 | Iridos | race me, said the hedgehog to the hare |
| 09:22.42 | angs | Iridos, I was not lucky there as well but thank you. |
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| 09:24.20 | Iridos | jelly, don't think you can avoid it when you start a fresh X... because you start X and then have to wait for its hooks to appear |
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| 09:25.39 | Iridos | jelly, but you might look at what the screensaver does when you suspend/hibernate... the one on my machine locks on any suspend, even if the suspend only is for a second or so... |
| 09:25.42 | jelly | Iridos: shirley kdm can do that for me |
| 09:26.02 | Iridos | ... so someone seems to have had some thoughts about races there |
| 09:27.10 | Iridos | jelly, there's some conversations in ubuntu forums on that topic... dare you read them? |
| 09:27.11 | Iridos | ^^ |
| 09:27.21 | petn-randall | jelly: "shirley"? Are you using voice recognition to chat here? |
| 09:27.32 | Iridos | shirely no |
| 09:27.35 | Iridos | t |
| 09:28.04 | sandman13 | Konversation loads too slow in my Debian 7 KDE machine. I have tried to launch it via terminal and here's what it says: http://paste.debian.net/101810/ |
| 09:28.07 | flukiluke | shirley you can't be serious? |
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| 09:28.17 | sandman13 | the real question is: Is this normal? |
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| 09:29.36 | Iridos | flukiluke, shirely you meant he cannot be sirius? |
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| 09:30.20 | flukiluke | Iridos: That's one fictional reference too many for me. |
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| 09:32.00 | Iridos | sandman13, I doubt that akonadiaserver spitting out traces can be normal... |
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| 09:32.37 | Iridos | and I'd guess the crucial line there is "Unable to initialize database." |
| 09:33.23 | sandman13 | Iridos: what can I do? This might be the reason why Konversation takes too much time to load, about 45 seconds or so |
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| 09:36.11 | Iridos | dunno... running /usr/bin/akonadi_control seems to (try to) re-initialize the database and start the server |
| 09:36.17 | jelly | much like what other users seem to do, kill akonadi and nepomuk services with fire |
| 09:36.24 | Iridos | but this is the first time I even heard of akonadi |
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| 09:36.53 | Iridos | we didn't start the fire, it was always burning since the world is turning |
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| 09:38.23 | sandman13 | Iridos: nope no luck |
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| 09:41.45 | sandman13 | Iridos: I tried this and it worked: rm -rf /home/username/.local/share/akonadi |
| 09:42.25 | Iridos | hehe |
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| 09:45.12 | Iridos | sandman13, well, nice. by default it seems to be using mysql, though... but who knows what was configured there |
| 09:46.01 | Iridos | jelly, actually, I don't think a race is a big problem... say the race gives you 5 seconds in which you can do something on a not-very-responsive (because everything is still starting up) X display |
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| 09:46.57 | SynrG | like very quickly type killall xscreensaver? |
| 09:46.58 | sandman13 | btw what sound server should I use PulseAudio or ALSA? |
| 09:47.20 | Iridos | SynrG, in what shell is that typed? |
| 09:47.22 | SynrG | well, you need a terminal or "run command" |
| 09:47.23 | SynrG | yeah |
| 09:47.45 | SynrG | depends on if your session saves/restores a terminal |
| 09:47.46 | Iridos | but yes... if windows are remembered on login... true |
| 09:47.49 | SynrG | that's possible |
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| 09:48.29 | Iridos | still, I don't think you can avoid the race... only way I could think of if the X server had an option to start already locked |
| 09:48.35 | SynrG | the login manager itself should handle screen locks, not a screensaver running in the wm |
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| 09:48.54 | SynrG | and that seems to be what happens in testing/unstable these days |
| 09:48.59 | Iridos | don't think the screensaver needs a WM... |
| 09:49.11 | SynrG | er, you know what i mean. the x session |
| 09:50.42 | Iridos | wouldn't help much to kill xlock or gnome-screensaver either if you typed "killall xscreensaver" (yay for obscurity) |
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| 09:53.10 | Iridos | SynrG, but yes... you're right... X already runs and hence could pass on a lock |
| 09:53.43 | user000 | hello. i just installed systemd on sid and i get dropped to rescue mode. i need to figure out what's wrong and or switch back to init |
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| 09:55.44 | jelly | user000: ask in #debian-next channel, on irc.oftc.net (not Freenode!) if noone answers here |
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| 09:56.13 | jelly | oh, you did. Good job! |
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| 10:27.39 | paul_grozav | Hello, anyone online? I would like to disallow one user to see another users's processes, how can I do this in Debian, and why isn't this the default setting in debian? Thanks |
| 10:28.24 | petn-randall | paul_grozav: Yes, there are lots of people online. What would that achieve? |
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| 10:29.42 | paul_grozav | I have several users that uses the operating system, and I allow them to connect trough SSH, and run commands and scripts on the system. I don't find it OK for other users to see what one user is running( what commands he/she is running) |
| 10:30.04 | paul_grozav | I think that should be private |
| 10:30.28 | petn-randall | paul_grozav: I don't think that will gain a lot of security, but here's a how-to: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/702/Hiding_processes_from_other_users |
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| 10:31.21 | colo-work | I'd like to print/convert incoming email to PDF, with the most common and sane MIME-parts like images printed/displayed inline. any ideas what to use for this? |
| 10:31.24 | colo-work | (preferably headless) |
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| 10:33.11 | themill | paul_grozav: you might like to read through https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/03/msg00004.html and replies at https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/03/threads.html#00117. The use of hidepid is being considered by no-one really knows how much it will break to do so. |
| 10:33.14 | paul_grozav | petn-randall: I've read something about the hidepid mount option, can I ask one more question? What's the best way if I have a script that creates a user on the system, I have to pass to the script the username and password, but I can't pass the password as an argument because it's seen by other users with the ps command. So what's the best way to do this? |
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| 10:33.46 | themill | (and yes, it's likely to be enabled for jessie) |
| 10:34.44 | themill | paul_grozav: you'd normally pass the password in over a pipe (and you'd still want to do that even if you were using hidepid) |
| 10:35.10 | paul_grozav | themill : Thank you ! |
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| 10:42.12 | Arahael | I want to install the next version of libdvdread4, why is it blocked? |
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| 10:43.20 | themill | blocked? |
| 10:43.50 | Arahael | Hmm, just realised that testing's too new. I want 4.2.0+20120521-3 |
| 10:43.56 | Arahael | But I only have 4.2.0+20120521-2 in wheezy. |
| 10:44.25 | themill | new versions are never added to stable releases like that |
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| 10:44.48 | Arahael | themill: What's the policy for packages used in wheezy-backports? |
| 10:45.02 | themill | it needs to be in testing first |
| 10:45.03 | Arahael | And my understanding is that libdvdread in wheezy seg faults without the -3 fix? |
| 10:45.25 | Arahael | Just found the bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=691115 |
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| 10:46.47 | Arahael | It makes it very hard to get handbrake installed. |
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| 10:49.55 | themill | Arahael: how is this related to installing handbrake? |
| 10:50.12 | Arahael | themill: The version of handbrake in wheezy-backports requires libdvdread4-3 |
| 10:50.25 | Arahael | The *-3 one, rather. |
| 10:50.36 | Arahael | (Probably because with -2, it would just seg fault) |
| 10:52.13 | themill | ahh... you might want to backport this package yourself them. (this is not supposed to be the case with backports but happens just often enough to be annoying( |
| 10:53.15 | Arahael | Issue is that the testing version is a major version ahead. |
| 10:53.37 | Arahael | I might try just compiling it. |
| 10:53.42 | Arahael | handbrake, that is. |
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| 10:54.34 | chyyk | hi debian fans |
| 10:54.36 | chyyk | :D |
| 10:54.55 | Arahael | Hm, seems to download and build it's own deps. Nice. |
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| 11:06.19 | Arahael | Hmm. I'm missing ass/ass.h, apparently. Anyone know what package provides this? |
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| 11:06.53 | SynrG | introduces Arahael to apt-file search |
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| 11:25.58 | Arahael | SynrG: Isn't apt-file limited to what's already on the system? |
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| 11:27.17 | Arahael | Hmm, evidently not. Awesome. |
| 11:27.21 | flukiluke | Alternatively, http://packages.debian.org |
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| 11:33.44 | linuxthefish | is cron ****0 every day? |
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| 11:37.02 | linuxthefish | oh, thanks! i'm bad at maths :( |
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| 11:45.44 | Guest81731 | hello , how to prevent new installed apps from enabling their services by default ? |
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| 11:46.46 | jelly | paul_grozav: grsecurity patchset has had that feature for about a decade, limiting read access to /proc to one specific group |
| 11:47.15 | jelly | (gid chosen at compile time) |
| 11:47.46 | paul_grozav | jelly: Yes, but I don't know how to work with it. Do you know a simple tutorial? |
| 11:47.51 | jelly | it pretty much breaks things that it's supposed to break |
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| 11:48.48 | Iridos | Arahael, dlocate (or dpkg -S) is for finding things on your system... for a more complete list, send a message to our bot ( "/msg dpkg search " and factoids in <> therein) |
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| 11:49.51 | jelly | paul_grozav: work with what? hidepid itself ought to be reasonably simple. |
| 11:50.42 | paul_grozav | jelly: I mean grsecurity |
| 11:50.56 | Arahael | Iridos: Thanks for the tip. |
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| 11:54.30 | jelly | paul_grozav: it brings a set of features. See http://grsecurity.net/, #grsecurity channel on OFTC, and perhaps https://wiki.debian.org/SameKernel and http://mempo.org/ for an attempt to integrate it with Debian. |
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| 11:54.57 | Iridos | Guest81731, some services that need configuring before it makes sense to run them will by default not start. for the others it is supposed that, if you install them, you want to run them. all you can do is stop and disable the service |
| 11:55.08 | Iridos | dpkg, disable services |
| 11:55.08 | dpkg | From update-rc.d(8): «A common system administration error is to delete the links with the thought that this will disable the service…. However, if all links have been deleted then the next time the package is upgraded, the package's postinst … will reinstall links at their factory default locations.» Use «update-rc.d $service disable» instead. |
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| 11:58.45 | mjt | um. disabling a service adds Kfoo links to all runlevels, so the service will be attempted to shut down on each shutdown, which is not nice either. |
| 11:59.36 | mjt | I used runlevel5 for that, -- remove all links and create a link at runlevel 5. This way the service will not be start/stopped and will not be restored back on next package upgrade |
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| 12:01.06 | Walex2 | mjt: there are special runlevels A B and C for that. But they are not commonly used. |
| 12:01.22 | babilen | mjt: Why don't you want to shutdown a service on shutdown? |
| 12:01.29 | mjt | there's no /etc/rcA.d or rcB.d ;) |
| 12:01.59 | Walex2 | mjt: that's because Debian uses/used System V-like 'init' in a weird way./ |
| 12:02.22 | mjt | babilen: because it hasn't been started. And you see ugly red ERROR marks on the screen during shutdown, telling the system can't stop the service because it is not running |
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| 12:04.16 | babilen | mjt: That shouldn't necessarily happen. Which init script is this about? |
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| 12:04.54 | mjt | I don't really remember at this point. There has been several like that |
| 12:05.08 | mjt | for some I've just added `exit 0' into /etc/default/$service |
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| 12:05.46 | babilen | huh? |
| 12:06.13 | mjt | /etc/init.d/service sourcing /etc/default/service, so `exit 0' in there works fine :) |
| 12:06.21 | Agd_Scorp | whats that, mjt |
| 12:06.45 | babilen | mjt: That's a horrible hack and wouldn't allow the init script to function properly .. |
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| 12:07.03 | mjt | well yes. That's exactly wha I need ;) |
| 12:08.06 | babilen | mjt: We can either work on your problem or not. If you want to work on your problem then please be specific in what you have done and what the behaviour is that you see. If not then ... well. |
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| 12:08.14 | mjt | there's another hack i used -- mv /etc/init.d/service{,.dpkg-new} -- works fine too :) |
| 12:08.25 | babilen | mjt: Out of curiosity: Which services do you want to have installed but not started? |
| 12:08.39 | mjt | it's not about "which", it is about "why" |
| 12:08.56 | babilen | Well, why not answer both? |
| 12:09.37 | mjt | one example - I've a central server and a ton of identical servers elsewhere. The central server itself is just a central hub, it does not run the same services as all other server. But I have the same software installed on it as on other servers -- |
| 12:09.53 | mjt | in order to be able to apt-get udpate&upgrade on it, and push all the changes it found to all other servers |
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| 12:10.24 | mjt | but some services (eg, samba) should never _run_ on it |
| 12:10.37 | jelly | !policy-rc.d |
| 12:10.37 | dpkg | [policy-rc.d] a mechanism to limit what init scripts are run by maintainer scripts. See http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt and <invoke-rc.d>. See http://ircbots.debian.net/scripts/policy-rc.d-forbid-dpkg for an example script that disables all daemon starts and stops during package installation -- tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised. |
| 12:10.39 | mjt | so i had to install but disable samba |
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| 12:10.50 | mjt | no, i know full well about policy-rc.d |
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| 12:11.08 | babilen | mjt: I would also argue that you don't actually want to have samba installed on that box. |
| 12:11.09 | mjt | i discussed it when it has been invented, exactly in this context, because it doesn't solve this issue |
| 12:11.12 | Agd_Scorp | If I take Commerce in O-Levels (CIE) and then keep doing Commerce to A-Levels, and then on the university-level. Can I make a shift to Computer Science? |
| 12:11.33 | mjt | i have it installed there _only_ to be able to run apt-get update, nothing more |
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| 12:12.06 | jelly | mjt: what makes apt-get update fail when samba (server) is not installed? |
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| 12:12.49 | susundberg | Hey all, i was trying to google for the issue, but i couldnt find proper hit. I am running quite fresh install of wheezy, and i would need to put a upstart script to /etc/init. To me it seems that upstart is not installed (init-checkconf not found), but there are lots of scripts on /etc/init |
| 12:12.57 | jelly | I mean, I could see an argument for the idea itself, less so for the specific example |
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| 12:13.12 | mjt | another example - I've an usb stick, bootable, which has just a regular debian installed, -- which I use sometimes as a rescue media, or to run debootstrap, or even like a thin client (with X). There, it has many services/tools installed (smartmontools, lvm, other things) -- which can be used if needed but they're not needed normally |
| 12:13.19 | susundberg | I do see that installing upstart would allow me to run this script i want at startup, but what about those existing files: would they be duplicates, or / what runs them at this point ? |
| 12:13.40 | susundberg | -> how to run those scripts at /etc/init manually, as upstart 'start' does not exists |
| 12:13.50 | jelly | susundberg: they are not used at all. |
| 12:14.12 | mjt | jelly: apt-get does not fail if samba is not running. But apt-get upgrades samba too, and that's exactly what I need, -- it d/loads stuff to /var/cache/apt/arcives/ from where I push everything to all other servers. |
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| 12:14.21 | babilen | mjt: btw, I can stop samba multiple times without problems. (nor ERROR or anything) |
| 12:14.37 | mjt | yeah, now it can be stopped cleanly |
| 12:14.38 | susundberg | jelly: oh, ok. So ill just clear the directory, add my local custom scripts, install upstart and be happy ? :) |
| 12:14.48 | jelly | mjt: oh, so you have a very unusual apt management setup. |
| 12:15.03 | mjt | well, yes, sort of |
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| 12:15.21 | mjt | I have one server that manages itself AND a ton of others |
| 12:15.23 | jelly | mjt: I don't see why this is better than using a dedicated proxy. |
| 12:15.39 | mjt | actually it uses dedicated proxy too |
| 12:15.42 | susundberg | oh, seems like ill just might want to convert the upstart scripts to init.d scripts, "You are about to do something potentially harmful. |
| 12:16.16 | mjt | jelly: this way I don't need to run apt-get update & upgrade on every server, only one is enough. |
| 12:16.26 | babilen | mjt: Would an explicit configuration management and orchestration system such as salt, ansible, puppet or chef not be better suited for that task? |
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| 12:16.38 | mjt | jelly: and the difference in installed package sets is small enough to not care about inventing something else |
| 12:16.55 | babilen | mjt: I mean your setup essentially assumes that you have perfect clones of a box while you don't actually want that. |
| 12:16.58 | mjt | yeah, like that -- that'd be overkill ;) |
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| 12:17.11 | frankS2 | Why does mysql on debian systems update its password in debian.cnf ? |
| 12:17.21 | mjt | actually I do have perfect clones ;) |
| 12:17.30 | jelly | mjt: you're on your own there, pal. Your workflow is too far from normal to have a mere "don't want to run apt-get update" as justification |
| 12:17.30 | babilen | mjt: Why would it be overkill? It sounds like exactly the kind of tool you need. |
| 12:17.51 | mjt | jelly: hey, I _am_ on my own here, I never disagreed :) |
| 12:18.00 | babilen | mjt: How so? Didn't you just argue that you want the "master" to behave differently from its "clones" ? |
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| 12:18.45 | mjt | yes, just for small amount of services which is small enough to not care |
| 12:19.00 | babilen | "to not care" -- well, you obviously *do* care. |
| 12:19.10 | babilen | But meh .. have fun! |
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| 12:19.20 | mjt | i disabled about 5 or 7 services on master and that's all |
| 12:19.27 | mjt | it works for over 10 years already |
| 12:19.42 | mjt | heh. more than that. Since 1998 |
| 12:19.51 | mjt | oh shit. Time's ticking too fast... |
| 12:20.11 | Agd_Scorp | does anybody remember John Titor |
| 12:20.25 | mjt | at that time we used dialup networking, and nothing like pupped worked over dialup (we had only uucp) |
| 12:20.44 | mjt | so i used to send .deb files in uucp jobs |
| 12:20.56 | mjt | puppet* |
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| 12:21.20 | Iridos | maybe times have moved on a little |
| 12:21.22 | babilen | mjt: But back again: update-rc.d *does* work perfectly fine (and you want to cleanly shutdown services that have been started *manually* when you shutdown). It makes sure that services are no longer started on boot or during upgrades. |
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| 12:21.46 | babilen | Iridos: indeed |
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| 12:22.16 | jelly | Agd_Scorp: this is a tech support channel. Seeing at there's actual technical discussion going on, try to keep comments like that to #debian-offtopic |
| 12:22.46 | mjt | i think it was nsd or unbound startup script which spewed that ERROR service not running on stop - the one I've seen this last. |
| 12:23.00 | mjt | but we don't use either of them now |
| 12:23.26 | mjt | for nsd i used another hack, renaming /etc/init.d/nsd3 to nsd3.dpkg-new |
| 12:23.55 | mjt | because i wanted to run nsd in a separate namespace, so I created my own /etc/init.d/nsd3 which sets up namespace and runs nsd3.dpkg-new |
| 12:24.13 | mjt | this way, upgrades of nsd3 works fine |
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| 12:25.09 | mjt | and the whole namespace thing was because nsd had no way to bind to a specific IP address. Now it has, so i can back it up to stright startup, but I don't see a reason since it works fine like it is |
| 12:25.13 | GEEGEEGEE | how would I copy one debian installation from one server to another? I cant seem to remount / as read only |
| 12:25.15 | jelly | mutters about horrible misuse of conffile-reserved .dpkg-new extension |
| 12:25.37 | mjt | jelly: you have another solution? :) |
| 12:25.59 | mjt | honestly, I tried to find a non-hackish non-misuse way |
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| 12:26.23 | mjt | and as you can see from my "inventions", I at least tried to think... ;) |
| 12:26.39 | babilen | mjt: Looks as if you have a lot of legacy boilerplate to work around issues that you could have fixed directly such as the inability to unproblematically stop nsd multiple times. |
| 12:27.26 | mjt | echo 'exit 0' >> /etc/default/nsd works perfect and there's no need to have a dozen-email exchange arguing with the maintainer |
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| 12:27.48 | babilen | ... |
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| 12:28.16 | jelly | used dpkg-divert on init scripts, a long time ago |
| 12:28.33 | jelly | mjt: obviously the right solution is systemd :-D |
| 12:28.36 | mjt | nsd was a "good" example - its startup script had `mkdir -p /var/run/nsd; chown -R nsd /var/run/nsd' which is a security hole, and I had a very long discussion with the maintainer who never ack'ed that |
| 12:28.59 | mjt | dpkg-divert doesn't work on conffiles, iirc |
| 12:29.10 | jelly | that just means you never tried it :-> |
| 12:29.20 | babilen | mjt: So file a bug and get it fixed and maintain the local changes in your own package fork or just use dpkg-divert to keep the status quo |
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| 12:29.44 | mjt | yeah. sometimes I need to work too :) |
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| 12:30.43 | jelly | I'm all about clever hacks, but try to pretend this channel has educational purpose |
| 12:30.58 | mjt | that's a good point |
| 12:31.04 | Iridos | all *about*? |
| 12:31.05 | Iridos | ^^ |
| 12:31.11 | jelly | and try not to point people to do stuff the Wrong Way |
| 12:31.32 | Iridos | I always suspected that ^^ |
| 12:31.51 | mjt | I just said the "right" way may have its own effects |
| 12:32.09 | mjt | that's nothing more than I wanted to say, really. Mentioning rc5 was my mistake. |
| 12:32.52 | babilen | mjt: I still don't quite understand why "update-rc.d $FOO disable" is not working for you. |
| 12:32.53 | Iridos | GEEGEEGEE, you cannot, because it's immediately being used... but all that (usually, assuming you are the only user) means is that you get some cut-off logs when you copy things. another way would be to boot into some rescue-disk/live-image and then copy |
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| 12:33.51 | Iridos | GEEGEEGEE, and yet another way would be not to copy/clone the files, but just install the same set of packages (and then just copy user-files and maybe copy, maybe adjust manually any config that is not as it was by default) |
| 12:33.58 | Iridos | dpkg, tell GEEGEEGEE about debian clone |
| 12:34.07 | mjt | babilen: I haven't _tried_ that for quite some time really. As in a rule: if something isn't broken, don't try to fix it. I remember those red ERROR stamps, worked around them and the system continued running/used. |
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| 12:34.57 | Iridos | and you're still using sarge or potato |
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| 12:35.01 | mjt | babilen: I haven't said it doesn't work, it works, it _should_ work, except that sometimes it may spew extra errors where it shouldnt. |
| 12:35.07 | jelly | Iridos: etch, actually |
| 12:35.14 | Iridos | ^^ |
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| 12:35.29 | babilen | mjt: Well, we established that the error messages have been emitted erroneously and that that bug has been fixed by now. |
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| 12:35.49 | Iridos | it's amazing what gets fixed if you just wait a decade or two... |
| 12:35.53 | mjt | well, for some fun, just a few days ago I was updating a potato system -- very old hw which stayed unused for several years |
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| 12:36.12 | babilen | ... which should have been updated years ago, but go on .... |
| 12:36.24 | mjt | no, it was unused |
| 12:36.47 | mjt | but I come across it and thought what if I'll try to run and update it now |
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| 12:37.06 | mjt | it updated to wheezy quite seamlessly |
| 12:37.32 | petn-randall | mjt: Why upgrade if it was unused? ;) |
| 12:37.44 | mjt | just for fun |
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| 12:37.48 | mjt | before throwing it away |
| 12:38.07 | mjt | because i was curious how it'll work |
| 12:38.24 | babilen | mjt: how long did potato → woody → sarge → etch → lenny → wheezy take you? Was that really easier than simply installing wheezy from scratch? |
| 12:38.36 | mjt | no, not step by step |
| 12:38.46 | mjt | stright potato -> wheezy |
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| 12:39.15 | babilen | Okay. Fair enough. How does that relate to the problem at hand? (i.e. disabling services) |
| 12:39.18 | dracarys | hmm… |
| 12:39.24 | mjt | updated sources.list (actually it already mentioned "stable"), run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 12:39.40 | mjt | it is related to the comment by Iridos |
| 12:39.53 | petn-randall | mjt: And that worked? It must've broken with the missing support for dpkg triggers, amongst other things. |
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| 12:40.01 | mjt | i installed dpkg first |
| 12:40.12 | mjt | installed and reinstalled glibc |
| 12:40.21 | mjt | exactly because of triggers |
| 12:40.30 | mjt | had to dpkg -x something |
| 12:40.43 | mjt | and reinstall it after |
| 12:40.48 | mjt | had some fun with kernel & udev |
| 12:41.06 | mjt | but overall, for such a _huge_ jump, it worked quite well |
| 12:41.56 | petn-randall | mjt: Seems like you don't have enough to do at work ;) |
| 12:42.08 | mjt | heh. |
| 12:42.13 | mjt | yeah, like now |
| 12:42.14 | mjt | ;) |
| 12:42.14 | babilen | mjt: Okay, so back to the issue: In light of the fact that some bugs have been fixed in the last 13 years: Is update-rc.d an acceptable way of disabling the services you want to disable? |
| 12:42.34 | mjt | it might be, yes |
| 12:42.39 | babilen | mjt: If you consider that issue solved then please say so and we can all shut up and move on. |
| 12:42.59 | mjt | I just haven't checked it recently, so I don't really know |
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| 12:43.57 | newbsduser | how can i install kernel-devel or kernel headers |
| 12:43.57 | mjt | tho, at one time I've seen something like "Shutting down dnsmasq" on that master machine and my heart jumped - "wait, wait a minute, is it running DHCP on this server network??? That must be a huge mistake!" |
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| 12:43.59 | newbsduser | with apt-get ? |
| 12:44.07 | newbsduser | cant find kernel-devel package |
| 12:44.13 | newbsduser | or kernel-source |
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| 12:44.23 | babilen | newbsduser: What are you trying to do? |
| 12:44.43 | newbsduser | linux-source |
| 12:44.45 | babilen | mjt: Why don't you try it and come back if you have problems? |
| 12:44.50 | newbsduser | iam trying to install a driver |
| 12:44.58 | newbsduser | it needs to build module |
| 12:45.00 | babilen | newbsduser: Could you be less vague? |
| 12:45.03 | abrotman | which driver? and what makes you think you need linux-source? |
| 12:45.05 | newbsduser | and it needs kernel source i think |
| 12:45.12 | newbsduser | it s ethernet driver |
| 12:45.12 | babilen | newbsduser: What are you trying to do? |
| 12:45.22 | newbsduser | ethernet driver |
| 12:45.22 | newbsduser | dude |
| 12:45.35 | mjt | maybe you just need kernel-headers? |
| 12:45.42 | abrotman | dude |
| 12:45.43 | newbsduser | maybe |
| 12:45.46 | babilen | newbsduser: Why do you think that you have to compile that? Please be specific in what you are trying to achieve so that we can give you the most appropriate advice we can give you |
| 12:45.51 | newbsduser | what is package name for kernel headers? |
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| 12:45.59 | abrotman | newbsduser: apt-cache search kernel headers |
| 12:46.11 | babilen | newbsduser: Please step back for a moment and start at the beginning. |
| 12:46.45 | babilen | newbsduser: Or read http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem and continue on your way |
| 12:47.05 | newbsduser | ok sorry babilen :( |
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| 12:47.43 | newbsduser | iam trying to install my ethernet card's driver. and it require's to kernel header i guess. so I asked here. |
| 12:47.46 | babilen | newbsduser: It just rarely happens that one has to actually compile an ethernet driver manually these days which is why I believe that there is a better solution to your problem. |
| 12:47.48 | Guest42052 | hey mates, im currently hesitating with my debian system: sometimes im not able to get into "hibernate" or "suspend" acpi mode and when my system crashes all is lost, the basic 'session auto save and restore' is a joke... none of the running processes or windows are restored correctly, is there anything to restore the system 1:1? thx if halp |
| 12:48.02 | babilen | newbsduser: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" give you? |
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| 12:48.33 | newbsduser | i wrote priv to you |
| 12:48.43 | abrotman | why? |
| 12:48.53 | mjt | heh |
| 12:49.06 | newbsduser | 08:00.0 Network controller: Napatech A/S NT20E2 Network Adapter 2x10Gb (rev 03) |
| 12:49.08 | abrotman | 08:48 < newbsduser> 08:00.0 Network controller: Napatech A/S NT20E2 Network Adapter 2x10Gb (rev 03) |
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| 12:49.22 | babilen | newbsduser: Are you sure that you use "lspci -nn" ? |
| 12:49.27 | babilen | *used |
| 12:49.29 | abrotman | newbsduser: and that's not 'lspci -nn' |
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| 12:50.01 | newbsduser | 08:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Napatech A/S NT20E2 Network Adapter 2x10Gb [18f4:00c5] (rev 03) |
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| 12:50.19 | newbsduser | yes it is |
| 12:50.24 | abrotman | that is, the first wasn't |
| 12:50.31 | babilen | judd: pciid 18f4:00c5 |
| 12:50.33 | judd | [18f4:00c5] is 'NT20E2 Network Adapter 2x10Gb' from 'Napatech A/S' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=18f4:00c5 |
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| 12:51.36 | mjt | that's an interesting card |
| 12:51.50 | babilen | newbsduser: So, that NIC is not supported by the linux kernel. One typically does not need the kernel source, but the kernel headers to compile an out-of-tree module. You can install those for the currently running kernel with: "apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')" |
| 12:51.51 | zykotick9 | babilen: just a side note, notice "ethernet|Ethernet" doesn't appear in the Napatch line... "lscpi -nn | grep -i net" might cast a wider net as a suggestion |
| 12:52.11 | newbsduser | thank you babilen |
| 12:52.27 | newbsduser | i did it before on rhel |
| 12:52.31 | abrotman | newbsduser: Do you actually need the 10Gb connection? |
| 12:52.36 | newbsduser | it s first time for debian |
| 12:52.46 | newbsduser | yes i have mirror traffic |
| 12:52.51 | newbsduser | on that interface |
| 12:52.54 | abrotman | Okay |
| 12:53.02 | mjt | zykotick9: this card is rather unusual, it is not a regular "Ethernet" card, it is a _capture_ card. Hence it's not in Ethernet class. Very rare beast in here :) |
| 12:53.22 | newbsduser | :D |
| 12:53.29 | newbsduser | that s true.. it s rare :P |
| 12:53.38 | zykotick9 | mjt: ya, i certainly don't run into 10GB network devices here in my home ;) |
| 12:53.53 | babilen | zykotick9: yeah, most ethernet adaptors identify as such and net* would get all wireless adaptors too. I rather have users answer "Oh, no output" than having them paste multiple unrelated lines into the channel. |
| 12:53.56 | mjt | nah, 10GigE isn't rare, but a _capture_ card is |
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| 12:54.28 | mjt | (many servers nowadays comes equipped with a 10GigE card) |
| 12:54.32 | zykotick9 | babilen: ya, that does seem logical as well... |
| 12:54.33 | babilen | As evidenced by the lack of Linux support |
| 12:54.37 | newbsduser | it has more skills than netfilter queue |
| 12:55.02 | newbsduser | like 5 tuples hashing and load balancing |
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| 12:56.04 | babilen | newbsduser: And sorry for asking you to start at the beginning, but it is typically much easier to help a person who asks "I want to get a Napatech A/S NT20E2 Network Adapter running which is not supported by the Linux kernel. For that I have to compile a module from URL which apparently needs kernel sources. How do you I get them?" |
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| 12:56.28 | mjt | babilen: re update-rc.d disable: let's put it this way: it works, but for some exceptionally pesky/picky users the aestetics of it does not look perfect... So, since such exceptionally users are exceptionally rare, the problem can be treated as non-existed in the first place. |
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| 12:56.34 | babilen | newbsduser: As that allows us to actually solve the real problem, rather then step 514 out of many others :) |
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| 12:57.29 | babilen | mjt: I find it aesthetically pleasing too. If you started a service manually it will be shutdown gracefully, but it won't start the service during boot/install. That is exactly what I would want. |
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| 12:58.16 | babilen | mjt: And if it is not running a non-buggy init script (or systemd) should behave gracefully and not spew errors. |
| 12:58.25 | mjt | if [ -e /var/run/$serv.pid ] ; then echo Stopping serv...; start-stop-daemon ... ; fi ; |
| 12:58.29 | mjt | ;) |
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| 12:59.44 | mjt | as i said i almost had a heart attack when saw it is stopping dnsmasq because it shouldn't be running in the first place (and it didn't). But that's just me, so n/p ;) |
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| 13:05.12 | dracarys | I have a question about VNC |
| 13:05.37 | dracarys | as I understand it vnc for gnome3 is a PITA since gnome3 requires some kind of hardware acceleration |
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| 13:06.03 | petn-randall | dracarys: It has a fallback mode with HW acceleration. |
| 13:06.06 | backSlasher | How can I make apt agree to install the right vesrion of a dependency? It returns "puppet : Depends: puppet-common (= 3.3.1-1puppetlabs1) but 3.6.1-1puppetlabs1 is to be installed" when I try to install a specific vesrion of puppet |
| 13:06.13 | dracarys | petn-randall: oh? |
| 13:06.13 | petn-randall | *without |
| 13:06.20 | themill | dpkg: tell backSlasher about bat |
| 13:06.30 | somiaj | dracarys: on my gnome3 wheezy vm it uses fallback mode just fine over vnc |
| 13:06.31 | dracarys | how would I activate that in xstartup? |
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| 13:06.59 | somiaj | dracarys: it usually just loads it automatically when it detects there isn't hardware accel |
| 13:07.08 | abrotman | backSlasher: use aptitude? |
| 13:07.10 | petn-randall | dracarys: what somiaj said. |
| 13:07.42 | dracarys | somiaj: so what should my xstartup file look like to load gnome3? |
| 13:07.52 | backSlasher | abrotman, I'm preparing the pastebin for themill. I want to use it in puppet so aptitude isn't an option :( |
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| 13:08.20 | somiaj | dracarys: usually it is loaded from your display manager when you select the gnome session. |
| 13:08.29 | dracarys | hmm... |
| 13:09.01 | backSlasher | themill, there you go http://paste.debian.net/101857/ |
| 13:09.28 | somiaj | backSlasher: those versions do not look like debian packages, sounds like you are using mixing repos and confusing apt. |
| 13:09.42 | backSlasher | somiaj, these are from puppetlabs |
| 13:09.47 | dracarys | is having a fun afternoon testing vnc over Debian, Ubuntu, and Mint |
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| 13:10.28 | themill | backSlasher: eek. what an icky repo. You'd need to tell it what version of puppet-common to install as well (or perhaps you should pin all puppet packages instead) |
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| 13:11.02 | abrotman | backSlasher: why isn't aptitude an option ? |
| 13:11.08 | backSlasher | themill, those packages have dependencies as well (ruby etc.) so I'll never see the end |
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| 13:11.26 | dracarys | I would be really careful importing stuff from third party repos |
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| 13:11.28 | backSlasher | abrotman, If I have to I will use aptitude, but I'm currently using a puppet module that uses apt |
| 13:11.31 | dracarys | it usually never ends well in the long run |
| 13:11.42 | abrotman | backSlasher: I'm confused why you think you can't use aptitude |
| 13:11.59 | abrotman | backSlasher: aptitude install puppet=3.3.1-1puppetlabs1 |
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| 13:12.24 | backSlasher | abrotman, because I want to automate it using puppet, and puppet currently only has a module for apt |
| 13:12.50 | abrotman | backSlasher: you can give it a full command if you choose |
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| 13:13.05 | abrotman | backSlasher: or have it execute the command directly |
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| 13:13.32 | backSlasher | abrotman, sure but I want to keep it as standard as possible, and I don't understand why apt isn't cooperating. Thought I'll try understanding it first |
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| 13:14.18 | abrotman | backSlasher: It looks like it's the way they have their repo setup |
| 13:14.40 | backSlasher | abrotman, what about it? Is the version numbering bad? |
| 13:14.43 | themill | backSlasher: it's a pretty insane repo they have there. Perhaps asking them how they imagine it could be used would be worthwhile. |
| 13:15.04 | abrotman | backSlasher: I'd really just use aptitude, try it once see if it works. If it acheives your goal, seems a sensible approach |
| 13:15.08 | themill | backSlasher: more than one version of a package in the repo makes life unnecessarily difficult |
| 13:15.18 | somiaj | backSlasher: it could be all the multple versions is confusing apt, or there is some dependency loop you'll have to track down. |
| 13:15.57 | mjt | nah, apt-get just picks the latest version from the repo |
| 13:16.14 | themill | the Candidate version tells you that |
| 13:16.21 | mjt | unless explicitly told to use given version for a given package |
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| 13:16.59 | backSlasher | so apt isn't intelligent enough (no harm meant) to choose the right version? That's why it fails? |
| 13:17.00 | somiaj | backSlasher: any reason the version of puppet in wheezy won't work for you? looks like it is 2.7.23 |
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| 13:17.18 | backSlasher | somiaj, we want features available in 3+ |
| 13:17.22 | themill | backSlasher: well apt is configured to pick the latest version and so that's what it is doing. |
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| 13:18.19 | backSlasher | themill, I see. I guess I'll set it to aptitude then |
| 13:18.36 | mjt | why cant you install latest, anyway? |
| 13:19.04 | backSlasher | My boss reasonably wants to hold the entire server farm on the same version |
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| 13:19.20 | backSlasher | So we have a 3.XXX something server installed, so we want new clients to have the same version |
| 13:19.26 | somiaj | backSlasher: depending on your use wonder if it would be worth the time to create a local repo only mirroring the one version of the package you want. |
| 13:19.38 | backSlasher | Are there any cons to using aptitude instead of apt? |
| 13:19.38 | newbage | hey, I have a weird boot problem with Debian n my MacBook Pro |
| 13:19.48 | mjt | yeah, just wanted to mention/suggest a local repository |
| 13:19.59 | newbage | anyone around who can help out? |
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| 13:20.20 | backSlasher | If there is no bad side for using aptitude I'll do that. I just want to make sure there is no hidden catch |
| 13:20.31 | newbage | anyone? anyone? |
| 13:20.34 | backSlasher | like installing with aptitude and then upgrading with apt => system broken |
| 13:20.56 | mjt | so use either local repository or pinning |
| 13:21.02 | somiaj | backSlasher: aptitude runs a bit slower but you can look at '/msg dpkg why apt-get', '/msg dpkg why aptitude', '/msg dpkg why not aptitude' |
| 13:21.15 | backSlasher | somiaj, will do |
| 13:21.22 | backSlasher | pin what? my specific version? |
| 13:21.26 | mjt | yes |
| 13:21.29 | mjt | of puppet |
| 13:21.36 | mjt | and manage that pinning with puppet too |
| 13:21.38 | somiaj | backSlasher: no apt/aptitude use the same package database, the difference is in the logic behind dependendcy resolution, and aptitude has some more advanced options. |
| 13:21.52 | TJ- | backSlasher: Have you/can you use "apt-get install puppet=3.3.1-1puppetlabs1 puppet-common=3.3.1-1puppetlabs1" ? |
| 13:22.11 | newbage | so, these are the images of my boot screen when I try to boot debian... it gets this far and just freezes on me... can anyone help? http://i.imgur.com/j10tKKQ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5nkoNAP.jpg |
| 13:22.13 | backSlasher | I see. Thanks somiaj mjt themill abrotman |
| 13:22.36 | malmelmil | Hello I am looking to buy a laptop Acer Aspire V7-581G-53338G52akk , it has a Nvidia GT720M (Optimus) which I've been told "is shit or very bad shit" and possibly very difficult to handle under debian, even with Nvidia propietary or bumblebee (which I understand is a less than optimal workaround) but that it can get better on Jessie. Could someone confirm/deny/comment on actual and possible future support of debian for this card? thank you |
| 13:22.39 | backSlasher | TJ- I want to make as little manual selections as possible |
| 13:23.20 | mjt | since you _have_ to pin puppet version anyway, just pin it together with -common |
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| 13:23.34 | malmelmil | + I could live for a while with a plain working graphic card, but not with a non working or hardly working card |
| 13:23.41 | malmelmil | thanks |
| 13:23.55 | TJ- | backSlasher: then as others have said, use a local repo with only the required version |
| 13:24.08 | abrotman | malmelmil: avoid Optimus if you can |
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| 13:25.13 | malmelmil | hello abrotman, thanks for your answer, coult i be you answered the last time? could you explain why should I avoid Optimus, other than because it is shit etc, Thank you ! |
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| 13:25.36 | mjt | dpkg: optimus |
| 13:25.37 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:25.40 | newbage | help |
| 13:25.44 | newbage | can anyone help |
| 13:25.47 | newbage | pleeease |
| 13:26.01 | mjt | hm. no "why" or "why not" |
| 13:26.25 | abrotman | malmelmil: I also tell people to avoid nVidia .. I might be a bit biased :) |
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| 13:26.45 | newbage | I'm avoiding nVidia after these latest shenanigans... |
| 13:27.00 | mjt | malmelmil: it might be shit or not, but the main prob is that it is not documented and all the details are hidden and patented. So you can guess the quality of possible implementation. |
| 13:27.13 | mjt | malmelmil: actually the same is true for nvidia, -- what abrotman said ;) |
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| 13:27.15 | malmelmil | Ok that is making sense mjt |
| 13:27.27 | newbage | am I muted or something? |
| 13:27.33 | newbage | can people see what I'm writing? |
| 13:27.38 | malmelmil | newbage, yes, but I cannot help sorry |
| 13:27.40 | abrotman | newbage: we see you |
| 13:27.41 | mjt | somene please mute newbage ;) |
| 13:27.47 | malmelmil | guidelines say "be patient" |
| 13:27.47 | newbage | ha |
| 13:27.48 | newbage | haha |
| 13:27.51 | newbage | good to know |
| 13:28.01 | newbage | I'm just overly paranoid |
| 13:28.20 | abrotman | your enter key seems to be broken though |
| 13:28.26 | newbage | ye |
| 13:28.27 | newbage | ah |
| 13:28.30 | newbage | it just keep |
| 13:28.31 | newbage | s |
| 13:28.33 | newbage | going off |
| 13:28.37 | abrotman | stop |
| 13:28.41 | petn-randall | !enter |
| 13:28.41 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 13:28.55 | abrotman | newbage: being more annoying isn't a way to get help |
| 13:28.57 | mjt | on me this muttering has exactly the opposite effect, fwiw (it is not usual). Instead of paying attention to this repeated questions, I tend to _especially_ ignore it, exactly because of too much noize it makes. |
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| 13:29.26 | newbage | sorry, I'm just used to typical chatrooms. I'm still learning about debian/linux etiquette and whatnot... |
| 13:29.33 | mjt | and this prob at hand which newbage has isn't one of the trivial kind |
| 13:29.34 | abrotman | newbage: Did it boot before? What did you change? |
| 13:30.04 | mjt | wild guest: newly installed debian system on an imac.. |
| 13:30.07 | mjt | guess* |
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| 13:31.27 | newbage | abrotman, I haven't gotten it to boot successfully yet. I've installed it on a MBP and the only parameters I've changed are 1.) the apt source file to non free 2.) the b43 installer for my wireless card and 3.) setting the mod probe value to 0 for my radeon card |
| 13:31.42 | themill | !win mjt |
| 13:31.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, mjt! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 13:31.55 | abrotman | newbage: So it did boot, you changed things |
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| 13:32.24 | newbage | well it always "boots" it just gets to a certain point and freezes... it has never not frozen |
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| 13:32.57 | newbage | the items I've changed were recommended to me yesterday by #debian and have gotten me farther in the boot process but it's still freezing |
| 13:32.57 | abrotman | you clearly changed something, it did boot .. I don't know why you're confused |
| 13:33.18 | newbage | I got the feeling yesterday that #debian was close to getting me up and running... this is my first linux install |
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| 13:33.34 | malmelmil | abrotman, mtj, just one detail, I am struggling to decide on buying a so called acer ultrabook which seems good for its price i5 1.8 / 2.7, 8gb ram, 500GB Sata 20Gb Ssd 15,6 LED 1366x768, Nvidia Gt720M 2GB, Sd Card, usb 3.0, BT 4, webcam dmi etc / the wifi card seems ok on debian, so it is the Nvidia card that keeps me away from buying it. Price is Spain euros |
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| 13:34.06 | newbage | if I change those parameters back, it will freeze earlier in the boot process |
| 13:34.07 | donofrio_ | need help |
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| 13:34.32 | abrotman | malmelmil: I'll say again that I wouldn't buy hardware with Nvidia, lots of people do and enjoy their experience. |
| 13:34.56 | donofrio_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: xbmc : Depends: xbmc-bin (>= 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1) but it is not installable Depends: xbmc-bin (< 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1.1~) but it is not installable Recommends: python-qt3 but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. root@debian:~# unmame -a -su: unmame: command not found root@debian:~# uname -a Linux debian |
| 13:34.57 | kelsoo | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple |
| 13:35.03 | newbage | abrotman, this is the resource that was recommended to me yesterday: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook |
| 13:35.08 | newbage | thanks, kelsoo |
| 13:35.16 | donofrio_ | I have python-qt4 installed but how to symlink to resolve this verison issue? |
| 13:35.25 | newbage | I'm running a macbook pro 8.2 |
| 13:35.42 | donofrio_ | I'm on a PowerBook G4 fwiw |
| 13:35.57 | malmelmil | abrotman, thank you, ok, I believe I am going to go and buy it, try it for 7 days and give it back if it seems too much trouble... any test reccomendations for this ? thank you |
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| 13:36.25 | newbage | I just can't figure out 1.) what is going wrong on my system and 2.) how to implement the recommendations in those articles |
| 13:36.27 | somiaj | donofrio_: it sounds like you are mixing sources, care to put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
| 13:36.35 | donofrio_ | sure thing |
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| 13:37.43 | donofrio_ | root@debian:~# apt-cache policy Package files: 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status release a=now 500 http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ wheezy-updates/main Translation-en 500 http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ wheezy-updates/main powerpc Packages release o=Debian,a=stable-updates,n=wheezy-updates,l=Debian,c=main origin debian.uchicago.edu 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main Translation-en 500 http://securi |
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| 13:37.50 | donofrio_ | not that long of a list |
| 13:37.56 | newbage | by the way, how do you guys get your name to turn red when you message me? |
| 13:38.08 | newbage | I'd like to use that to address people when I'm talking to them |
| 13:38.08 | donofrio_ | newbage: its a client thing |
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| 13:38.15 | mjt | heh |
| 13:38.19 | newbage | what does that mean? |
| 13:38.28 | newbage | I'm smart but undereducated |
| 13:38.32 | mjt | it is your client who makes your name red |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | newbage: you're using the web client. Get a real client |
| 13:38.34 | donofrio_ | newbage: when someone replies it should change the color |
| 13:38.43 | newbage | what's a real client? |
| 13:38.47 | abrotman | ... |
| 13:38.50 | newbage | lol |
| 13:38.51 | abrotman | is done playing |
| 13:38.55 | somiaj | donofrio_: it didn't all paste and I want the full output at paste.debian.net |
| 13:38.58 | themill | donofrio_: please use a pastebin for these things. It's unreadable mess like that. |
| 13:38.58 | newbage | this is how much I don't know |
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| 13:39.10 | donofrio_ | I'm at home now but at my work I'm forced to use the webclient because port 6667 doesn't connect )-: |
| 13:39.22 | donofrio_ | themill: my bad |
| 13:39.38 | donofrio_ | somiaj: that is full put I'll return the eol's |
| 13:39.43 | newbage | so, just google "irc client mac" ? |
| 13:40.00 | surak | I can just see you now, seven six two, firewall |
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| 13:41.24 | somiaj | donofrio_: it wasn't the full output, as you got truncated as a single line can only have so many characters. Again the error you are getting is most likely due to having various versions for apt to choose from so I would like to see the output I asked for |
| 13:41.28 | newbage | ok, how do I get a 'real' client to connect to this server? |
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| 13:41.42 | surak | VPN would work |
| 13:41.50 | donofrio_ | somiaj: astebin.com/6WRn9ryR |
| 13:41.51 | abrotman | ... |
| 13:41.56 | donofrio_ | p infront of that |
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| 13:42.43 | newbage | ok, what's the server name that I put in here? |
| 13:43.00 | newbage | I assume it's not web chat.freenode.net |
| 13:43.01 | newbsduser | how can i create 10gbit http .pcap for test enviroment |
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| 13:43.49 | backSlasher | So the big guy doesn't want to use aptitude - he's afraid that mixing apt and aptitude will ruin us when upgrading |
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| 13:44.00 | somiaj | donofrio_: but rereading your error seems you are holding packages back so apt can't install the version it needs, thanks for the output but that seems normal |
| 13:44.01 | malmelmil | newbage, use xchat i.e. |
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| 13:44.12 | somiaj | donofrio_: now the output of 'dpkg --get-selections | grep hold' |
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| 13:44.24 | donofrio_ | somiaj: k will do |
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| 13:44.49 | surak | if you are on windows, KVirc |
| 13:45.11 | abrotman | backSlasher: upgrading what? |
| 13:45.32 | newbage | the format it's asking is 'irc.server.com' |
| 13:45.36 | surak | apt and aptitude have never given me problems together, ever |
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| 13:45.54 | donofrio_ | somiaj: no rresukts returned / root@debian:~# dpkg --get-selections | grep hold root@debian:~# |
| 13:46.15 | donofrio_ | ok background here |
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| 13:46.28 | donofrio_ | I have two systems one mint16 working great |
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| 13:46.49 | somiaj | donofrio_: well do you have some packages installed from outside of the debian repo, say have you manually installed a mint package? |
| 13:46.51 | donofrio_ | alot of power pc hardware laying around so I netinstalled debian to this powerbook |
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| 13:46.53 | malmelmil | newbage irc.freenode.net |
| 13:47.03 | donofrio_ | then no new repo's added or anything |
| 13:47.16 | abrotman | donofrio_: aptitude update;aptitude install <foopkg> |
| 13:47.19 | somiaj | donofrio_: lets go back to the begining, can you give us a pastebin of the command you ran and the errors of why it failed. |
| 13:47.27 | malmelmil | but newbage for this kind of help you should join another channel dedicated to irc, I am off, thanks abrotman |
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| 13:48.28 | donofrio_ | just took the diff of the pkgs installed on the x86 min (based of 13.10 ubutu) diffed with pkgs inmstalled on powerpc and used a for loop to apt-get install the missing pkgs, problem is char padding didn't sllow a bunch of pkg to install |
| 13:48.34 | donofrio_ | ok sure I'll go back.... |
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| 13:49.19 | donofrio_ | mainly it comes from this diff -iw /etc/installed.conf.new /etc/installed.conf.old | grep -i ">" > whatismissing.txt |
| 13:49.41 | donofrio_ | old = x86 mint16 install and .old is powerpc stock netinstall |
| 13:49.47 | somiaj | donofrio_: ubuntu, debian and mit are all different. It could be that package names of some things get changed, have different dependency loops and the likes. So I wouldn't just blind try to install the list of all missing packages. |
| 13:50.19 | donofrio_ | somiaj: (thats exactly what I did, not quite blind but yah) |
| 13:50.45 | donofrio_ | used this to start the list diff -iw /etc/installed.conf.new /etc/installed.conf.old | grep -i ">" > whatismissing.tx |
| 13:50.51 | donofrio_ | opps |
| 13:50.54 | donofrio_ | mispaste |
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| 13:51.02 | somiaj | donofrio_: Well seems you asked to install something that just doens't make sense in debian and causing an issue, you could try to first run 'apt-get -f install' see what that does to fix things, then actually only worry about packages if you are missing funcionality. |
| 13:51.12 | donofrio_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.34 | abrotman | this seems like the long way around .. |
| 13:51.51 | mjt | and it doesn't need sudo, fwiw |
| 13:51.53 | donofrio_ | what is happening is the --get-selections craetes a three coloum outpuut |
| 13:52.08 | donofrio_ | only really need one colum (apt pkg name) no version no arch |
| 13:52.46 | newbage | ok, how do I open another channel? |
| 13:52.58 | Iridos | what is "x68 min" .. .mint with a missing t or does that stand for "minimal" |
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| 13:53.16 | somiaj | donofrio_: I would rethink what you need to do to try to make the installs more similar, but my suggestion is don't worry about it unless you are missing some functionality, then install the package that provides the functionality you need. |
| 13:53.17 | donofrio_ | I can reload powerpc to start over just would like to know what command I should run on min16 box and powerpc netinstall to get an updated powerpc ijnstall with all the packages I'm used to using (liike xbmc and openconnect oh an pepperflash would be a godsend) |
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| 13:53.40 | somiaj | newbage: /j #freenode (then ask them there) (: |
| 13:54.10 | Iridos | donofrio_, you cannot assume that ubuntu/mint/whatever uses the exact same package names as debian just because it's based on it |
| 13:54.21 | newbage | thanks somiaj |
| 13:54.30 | donofrio_ | Iridos: but but but |
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| 13:54.39 | somiaj | donofrio_: and you'll have to enable contrib and possibly non-free to get pepperflash, but you can get it |
| 13:54.56 | donofrio_ | somiaj: pepperflash on powerpc exisit??? |
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| 13:55.52 | rogg | 'lo 'lo |
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| 13:56.16 | somiaj | donofrio_: oh duh, thanks, no it is only amd64 and i386 |
| 13:56.42 | somiaj | donofrio_: seem the same is for adobe flash too, maybe try gnash since you are on ppc |
| 13:56.58 | donofrio_ | somiaj: almost made me giddy as a school boy.....oh well yah so how do I get gnash to run like pepperflash? |
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| 13:57.46 | somiaj | donofrio_: I haven't messed with gnash, so you'll have to play around. (: |
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| 13:58.01 | donofrio_ | anyone here use gnash daily?? |
| 13:58.12 | mjt | only weekly, sorry :) |
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| 13:58.21 | donofrio_ | mjt: weekly fine |
| 13:58.31 | donofrio_ | mjt: in what ways do you use it? |
| 13:58.32 | mjt | j/k really |
| 13:58.38 | donofrio_ | mjt: arrgrh |
| 13:58.39 | donofrio_ | < |
| 13:58.45 | donofrio_ | <-: |
| 13:59.15 | donofrio_ | ok who here uses powerpc arch? |
| 14:00.21 | mjt | i tried gnash in the past but it didn't really work, -- many sites using flash doesn't work in it. And it looks like it is a whack-a-mole game - while gnash implements current features of flash, adobe invents new features, and sites start using them, so new gnash does not work again, ad infinitum. |
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| 14:00.51 | somiaj | donofrio_: on irc.oftc.net I think there is a ppc only channel, #debianppc |
| 14:00.58 | surak | what is the best solution for netflix on linux? anyone have better options than a VM? |
| 14:01.17 | abrotman | surak: No, there is no better solution. It uses some windows-only plugin |
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| 14:01.47 | mjt | wine doesn't work? |
| 14:01.48 | somiaj | surak: there has been a lot of progress with getting it to work in wine with firefox, but I'm unsure if you still need to patch the wine source or not for that support |
| 14:01.52 | jelly | abrotman: sounds like something crossover might be good at |
| 14:02.03 | abrotman | jelly: Not sure if it's part of that |
| 14:02.14 | abrotman | mjt: It might, but I don't have Netflix, haven't tried it |
| 14:02.32 | jelly | remembers running windows-only shockwave director plugin inside linux browsers |
| 14:02.46 | abrotman | there's an ubuntu forum about making it work via Wine .. |
| 14:03.00 | abrotman | (And ISTR it only kindasorta works) |
| 14:03.01 | somiaj | surak: most of the patches have supposely made it into the main 1.7.x wine tree. But most of what you find out there when looking for this are premade packages for ubuntu that really dont' help ya out in debian. |
| 14:03.06 | dracarys | puts jelly on Win98SE for old times sake |
| 14:03.17 | abrotman | kids and their SE |
| 14:03.18 | mjt | actually wine is in the same position in gnash -- always tries to implement current stuff and always getting too late, so only "old" windows programs work |
| 14:03.19 | donofrio_ | surak: thought a netfilx addon exits for xbmc.... |
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| 14:03.49 | abrotman | mjt: I've had okay results using gnash in epiphany |
| 14:03.50 | rogg | emdebian should be working for debian stable, right? I'm trying to install gcc for arm, but I'm getting unsatisfiable dependencies. |
| 14:04.01 | rogg | Can anyone else install gcc-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi ? |
| 14:04.07 | dracarys | gives abrotman a copy of Windows 95 |
| 14:04.07 | abrotman | rogg: emdebian has their own channel .. but it hosuld work |
| 14:04.18 | jelly | rogg: do you need exactly 4.4? |
| 14:04.18 | abrotman | You kids and your start menus |
| 14:04.19 | rogg | abrotman: #emdebian? |
| 14:04.28 | abrotman | rogg: on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:04.32 | rogg | jelly: no.. I'm just following the wiki |
| 14:04.46 | dracarys | abrotman: would you prefer Windows 1.0? |
| 14:04.51 | jelly | rogg: which wiki? |
| 14:04.52 | rogg | abrotman: k.. I'm on that server. I'll check it out. thanks |
| 14:05.06 | donofrio_ | abrotman: you use gnash in browser? |
| 14:05.08 | rogg | jelly: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers |
| 14:05.10 | abrotman | dracarys: You kids and your clicky mouse things :) |
| 14:05.14 | abrotman | donofrio_: Epiphany, yes |
| 14:05.14 | jelly | rogg: back when I was doing http://linux-sunxi.org/Toolchain#Debian emdebian's unstable repo worked for me |
| 14:05.37 | dracarys | fine |
| 14:05.41 | abrotman | mjt: there's also lightspark if you're into trying different things |
| 14:05.41 | jelly | rogg: yes, that means mixing emdebian's "unstable" with your wheezy installation |
| 14:05.50 | dracarys | puts abrotman on an IBM S360 mainframe with punch cards |
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| 14:05.52 | dracarys | happy? |
| 14:05.58 | donofrio_ | abrotman: does it work with danball.jp |
| 14:06.05 | abrotman | donofrio_: I don't know . .what is that ? |
| 14:06.14 | donofrio_ | abrotman: yes its for my boys 12 and 14 |
| 14:06.23 | abrotman | wonders how he'd know if it works .. |
| 14:06.42 | abrotman | donofrio_: wrong URL ? |
| 14:07.00 | abrotman | ah, dan-ball.jp |
| 14:07.11 | backSlasher | well thanks everyone, I ended up pinning and I'm satisfied with the result |
| 14:07.29 | abrotman | donofrio_: it looks like it's java ? |
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| 14:08.02 | donofrio_ | abrotman: yah mybad |
| 14:08.20 | abrotman | which bad? |
| 14:08.34 | donofrio_ | abrotman: I meant the adobie test page |
| 14:08.51 | abrotman | is confused .. it's a java site? |
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| 14:09.14 | donofrio_ | abrotman: yah I meant any flash sites |
| 14:09.15 | abrotman | oh, i see |
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| 14:09.49 | abrotman | donofrio_: no, the flash images don't work .. who knows what that site is doing |
| 14:10.04 | surak | donofrio_: i am going to try that addon, thx for the heads up |
| 14:10.25 | donofrio_ | abrotman: meant www.addictinggames.com |
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| 14:11.25 | abrotman | donofrio_: I won't even ask why that site uses flash .. that's silly |
| 14:11.43 | abrotman | nmeant the dan-ball site |
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| 14:12.36 | donofrio_ | abrotman: yah danball was java test site addictingmes if flash test site |
| 14:13.55 | newbage | ok, so I'm using a 'real' client now |
| 14:14.14 | newbage | is there anyone that can help me with my weirdass install of debian? |
| 14:14.33 | surak | newbage: Be specific :) |
| 14:15.06 | somiaj | newbage: to make it easy you'll most likely want to use the non-free firmware installer |
| 14:15.14 | newbage | surak: this is what happens when I try to boot debian from my machine http://i.imgur.com/j10tKKQ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5nkoNAP.jpg |
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| 14:15.30 | newbage | I've already change my apt source file to nonfree |
| 14:15.45 | somiaj | !tell newbage about firmware image |
| 14:16.11 | newbage | I got that far already somiaj |
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| 14:16.40 | newbage | I've also installed the b43 wireless drivers |
| 14:16.45 | somiaj | newbage: oh you have broadcom 43xx driver, are you currently connected to the inteernet via another network connenction? |
| 14:16.55 | newbage | yeah… I'm plugged in directly |
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| 14:17.18 | somiaj | newbage: so you added contrib non-free to your sources, ran apt-get update, then apt-get install b43-isntaller? |
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| 14:17.25 | newbage | yes |
| 14:18.01 | abrotman | donofrio_: maybe try lightspark also ? |
| 14:18.03 | somiaj | newbage: you then rebooted, and still don't see your wifi device? |
| 14:18.03 | newbage | the machine still freezes when I try to boot debian and the only other thing I've seen is something about the radeon card's modprobe settings |
| 14:18.28 | newbage | it gets to the screen above and just freezes |
| 14:18.55 | donofrio_ | abrotman: thought lightspark was sliverlight for other platforms |
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| 14:19.14 | abrotman | dpkg: tell donofrio_ about lightspark |
| 14:19.26 | somiaj | newbage: I don't see any info that woudl say why it is freezing. But it only started freezing after you installed the b43-installer package? |
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| 14:19.29 | newbage | incidentally, I've tried changing the /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf file to 0 |
| 14:19.51 | newbage | well, it has frozen every time I've tried to boot it |
| 14:20.03 | abrotman | donofrio_: you're thinking about moonlight |
| 14:20.16 | somiaj | newbage: so how did you get it to boot to install the b43-firmware packages? |
| 14:20.33 | donofrio_ | abrotman: reading about it now |
| 14:20.34 | newbage | I ran rescue install form a netinst usb stick |
| 14:20.49 | newbage | then opened a shell in my debian install partition |
| 14:20.55 | somiaj | newbage: do you have a de installed? |
| 14:21.05 | newbage | 'de'? |
| 14:21.08 | surak | desktop |
| 14:21.19 | newbage | right now, I'm talking to you from Mac OS X |
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| 14:21.23 | somiaj | newbage: desktop enviorment, like did you say install a desktop enviorment during the install and have all of gnome installed |
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| 14:21.44 | newbage | ohhhh…. yes, gnome, but it doesn't get that far when booting from my debian partition |
| 14:21.49 | somiaj | newbage: this is a fresh wheezy install? |
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| 14:22.00 | somiaj | !tell newbage about nodm |
| 14:22.02 | newbage | yep, right off the servers, 7.5 |
| 14:22.16 | surak | newbage: didnt you say it was a rescue install? |
| 14:22.42 | somiaj | newbage: echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager -- boot up into your rescue mode, and run that command, lets disable your dsiplay manager and see if you boot up into a console just fine. |
| 14:22.47 | newbage | well, to get in a modify the debian partition I used rescue install, yes |
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| 14:23.23 | newbage | ok, let me transfer my chat apps so I can talk to you while I reboot... |
| 14:23.25 | newbage | 1 second |
| 14:23.27 | surak | newbage: that isnt a fresh install hehe |
| 14:23.30 | somiaj | newbage: if it won't even boot up into a console it might be hard to debug, but if it is just an xorg driver issue at least we have identified the issue. |
| 14:23.52 | newbage | well, I like your idea… no one yesterday recommended it |
| 14:24.03 | newbage | brb |
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| 14:28.32 | ToApolytoXaos | guys, something is causing lighttpd to complain about "can't bind to port 80 address already in use lighttpd". i have commented out the Perl script that creates the binding, but still a running process remains on the background. shouldn't a process to be terminated upon restart lighttpd service? please advice. i'm on debian testing (64-bit) |
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| 14:30.00 | somiaj | ToApolytoXaos: could it be another program is using port 80, check netstat |
| 14:30.03 | surak | ToApolytoXaos: nmap localhost | grep 80 |
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| 14:31.01 | ToApolytoXaos | it shows only lighttpd running as TCP even though i use socket |
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| 14:34.28 | surak | ToApolytoXaos: more info please :) |
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| 14:35.30 | ToApolytoXaos | a few days ago, after i installed the latest updates of that day lighttpd would stop working and upon restarting its service would produce the aforementioned message. |
| 14:36.05 | somiaj | ToApolytoXaos: you said you run testing, have you checked the BTS |
| 14:36.06 | ToApolytoXaos | i have searched for this issue and it seems it's an old issue with a Perl script that binds IP |
| 14:36.53 | Iridos | ToApolytoXaos, well, is it still running or not? |
| 14:37.14 | surak | ToApolytoXaos: http://ubuntuhak.blogspot.com/2012/10/starting-lighttpd-networkc358-cant-bind.html |
| 14:37.30 | Iridos | and a port can stay bound for some (smallish) time after the process was ended |
| 14:37.45 | ToApolytoXaos | Iridos, a process is running every though i "stopped" it. |
| 14:37.48 | surak | ToApolytoXaos: is apache installed and running by chance? this is a common error with that |
| 14:38.17 | surak | ToApolytoXaos: comment this in your lighttpd.conf: #include_shell "/usr/share/lighttpd/use-ipv6.pl" |
| 14:38.22 | Iridos | ToApolytoXaos, running (as root) netstat -tulpn |grep ':80 ' shows you what process (i.e. what PID) exactly uses port 80 |
| 14:38.29 | ToApolytoXaos | surak, i mentioned that a few times |
| 14:38.35 | ToApolytoXaos | that's the Perl script i said before |
| 14:38.39 | Guest42052 | hey mates, im currently hesitating with my debian system: sometimes im not able to get into "hibernate" or "suspend" acpi mode and when my system crashes all is lost, the basic 'session auto save and restore' is a joke... none of the running processes or windows are restored correctly, is there anything to restore the system 1:1? thx if halp |
| 14:38.41 | surak | did you comment it out? |
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| 14:38.59 | ToApolytoXaos | surak, the include part you mentioned yourself |
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| 14:48.50 | malmelmil | Hello, today I am buying a laptop and I want to test it deeply for compatibility with debian wheezy (will possibly migrate to jessie once I am more capable) is there a particular guide or tool that could help ? thank you |
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| 14:50.50 | surak | malmelmil: when you buy a computer instead of making it you cant really be sure which exact parts are in it |
| 14:51.14 | surak | malmelmil: aka a Dell 15z may have 5 different wifi cards at different stores, so compatibility is hard to assure |
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| 14:52.56 | malmelmil | surak, I have been checking the hardware for a while and am aware for the possible pitfalls, but now I will actually buy it and test it deeply for 7 days , for this reason I wonder what tools or guides could I use to not miss anything for my computer knowledge is relatively limited |
| 14:53.04 | malmelmil | thanks for your response btw |
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| 14:54.13 | surak | malmelmil: you should be fine, the current debian will work out of the box with most hardware and wifi cards, the only way I know to do it is to buy a computer and dive in :) |
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| 14:54.34 | Agd_Scorp | yo |
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| 14:55.01 | Agd_Scorp | How much is 196950MB? |
| 14:55.19 | malmelmil | I am particularly aware of the graphic card being a possible (probable) pitfall, but yeah! anyway I still wonder if anybody did a , you know, hardware checklist or similar ? :) |
| 14:55.30 | OpenTokix | Agd_Scorp: 206517043200 bytes |
| 14:55.33 | themill | Agd_Scorp: play elsewhere. |
| 14:55.50 | Agd_Scorp | OpenTokix: is it in GB? |
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| 14:57.36 | OpenTokix | If I paste a let me google that for you link, will I get silenced to? |
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| 14:58.57 | surak | malmelmil: nvidia has the best drivers for linux |
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| 15:01.14 | Arahael | surak: I would dispute that. |
| 15:01.57 | surak | Arahael: Which drivers do you prefer? or rather which manufacturer? |
| 15:02.41 | Arahael | surak: I've been reasonably happy with nouvaeu, although if I had a choice and this was a laptop, I'd probably go with intel. I'm not a gamer though. |
| 15:03.58 | abrotman | surak: I prefer them to be open .. Nvidia fails 100% in that department. IMO, one of the worst drivers availble |
| 15:04.33 | surak | abrotman: not being open is a BIG failing ill admit |
| 15:04.49 | abrotman | surak: IMO, it makes them unusable when better alternatives exist |
| 15:04.55 | Guest42052 | > hey mates, im currently hesitating with my debian system: sometimes im not able to get into "hibernate" or "suspend" acpi mode and when my system crashes all is lost, the basic 'session auto save and restore' is a joke... none of the running processes or windows are restored correctly, is there anything to restore the system 1:1? thx if halp |
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| 15:05.22 | petn-randall | Guest42052: What happens if you suspend and then try to wake the system up? |
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| 15:06.05 | Guest42052 | petn-randall: it doesnt get into this modes sometimes, probalby there r running processes preventing to go in to hibernate |
| 15:06.32 | petn-randall | Guest42052: hibernate and suspend are two very different concepts. |
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| 15:07.03 | petn-randall | Guest42052: What release are you running, and what kind of hardware is it you have problems with? |
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| 15:08.19 | Guest42052 | ehm its not a hardware problem? |
| 15:08.32 | Guest42052 | wheezy latest stable |
| 15:08.51 | Guest42052 | well what u guys use to restore session |
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| 15:09.11 | petn-randall | Guest42052: How do you know its not a problem related to your hardware? |
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| 15:09.51 | petn-randall | Guest42052: I use hibernate and suspend, which works fine with my machine. |
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| 15:10.25 | Guest42052 | it works fine at my place too sometimes |
| 15:10.38 | babilen | I haven't used hibernation in a *long* time, but suspend my laptop all the time. Had no issues for years not, but them a thinkpad is pretty standard and very well supported hardware. |
| 15:10.56 | Guest42052 | but not if i workerd several days |
| 15:11.12 | babilen | Guest42052: For both hibernation and suspend? |
| 15:11.27 | babilen | Guest42052: How much RAM and how much swap do you have? |
| 15:11.57 | Guest42052 | there are something things that EVEN prevent the system to hibernate when battery is running low and it preventing auto-hibernate |
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| 15:12.13 | Guest42052 | babilen: yea, 8 gb ram 16gb swap |
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| 15:13.09 | Guest42052 | sometimes it tries to hibernate and than autostart directly after hdd shutdown |
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| 15:13.13 | petn-randall | Guest42052: What does /var/log/kern.log say if you try to suspend and it doesn't work? |
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| 15:14.15 | babilen | I'd also prefer if we could focus on one problem at a time. |
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| 15:16.29 | newbage1 | are you still here somiaj? |
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| 15:17.57 | Newbage | I'm ready to try to reboot my machine |
| 15:18.26 | Guest42052 | lol my kern.log is screwed |
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| 15:21.58 | Iridos | Guest42052, I pretty much use hibernate (or suspend) exclusively on my desktop at home... can't say I ran into problems |
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| 15:25.31 | Guest42052 | lol |
| 15:25.37 | petn-randall | Guest42052: How so? |
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| 15:26.03 | Guest42052 | thx anyways |
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| 15:26.39 | petn-randall | Guest42052: Care to elaborate? |
| 15:27.05 | jelly | Guest42052: drivers for some usb devices are sometimes to blame. Try disabling bluetooth, sd card readers and/or wireless before hibernation |
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| 15:28.52 | Guest42052 | jelly: ok |
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| 15:30.03 | petn-randall | Guest42052: We can't really help you if you keep the info from kern.log from us ... |
| 15:30.35 | jelly | well, it's possible that s/ if.*// |
| 15:30.53 | Guest42052 | petn-randall: i dont have a kern.log! |
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| 15:32.13 | petn-randall | Guest42052: There is no /var/log/kern.log? Either you've changed your syslog to put it somewhere else, or you might not be running Debian. |
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| 15:33.04 | luckylinux | Hi. Any reason why /dev/disk/by-partlabel doesn't exist although during GPT partitioning labels were set? |
| 15:33.40 | petn-randall | Guest42052: What is the output of 'uname -a' then? |
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| 15:39.20 | Guest42052 | petn-randall: mate i g2g, thx anyways!!! |
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| 15:43.27 | Cactusaurus | Can someone help me I broke my apt, I tried installing steam and apt wants to remove everything. |
| 15:43.56 | _aeris_ | steam is not very debian compliant afaik |
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| 15:44.15 | centrx | Cactusaurus, How did you install steam? |
| 15:44.30 | centrx | _aeris_, It works well in testing/unstable |
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| 15:45.24 | Cactusaurus | http://pastebin.com/XhsueAiiv I added jessie's repositories and tried installing glx |
| 15:45.34 | Cactusaurus | this happened once before I keep breaking my installs |
| 15:45.48 | Cactusaurus | I uninstalled my wifi drivers on kali, and Im bad with apt |
| 15:45.50 | petn-randall | Cactusaurus: And you had jessie before? |
| 15:45.56 | Cactusaurus | nooo 7.4 |
| 15:46.00 | centrx | Cactusaurus, Here's a way to avoid it: Never mix releases |
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| 15:46.11 | Cactusaurus | did I get banned? |
| 15:46.15 | centrx | ? |
| 15:46.17 | petn-randall | Cactusaurus: Oh, then you frankendebianed your installation ... :) |
| 15:46.20 | Cactusaurus | oh, yeah I forgot to apt-pin |
| 15:46.40 | Cactusaurus | I might use trisquel but I like the non-free gpu drivers |
| 15:47.01 | Cactusaurus | D: |
| 15:47.15 | Cactusaurus | I wanna learn developing so I like debian. |
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| 15:47.15 | petn-randall | Cactusaurus: You got two options now: Either upgrade to jessie and then you'll have to live with a pre-release system, and being a guinea pig for the Debian project. Or reinstall. |
| 15:47.31 | Cactusaurus | :c |
| 15:47.46 | Cactusaurus | oh well lol |
| 15:48.00 | Cactusaurus | I could upgrade |
| 15:48.07 | Cactusaurus | any guides? |
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| 15:49.12 | jelly | !wheezy->jessie |
| 15:49.22 | jelly | pokes dpkg |
| 15:49.30 | jelly | dpkg, wheezy->jessie |
| 15:49.30 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Consider running <tum> at this point in the release cycle. |
| 15:49.31 | abrotman | dpkg: wheezy->jessie |
| 15:49.41 | abrotman | jelly: bug known, short addressing doesn't work with -> |
| 15:49.52 | Cactusaurus | I can upgrade to jessie this is fine |
| 15:50.05 | jelly | abrotman: worth poking every now and then |
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| 15:51.01 | Cactusaurus | I still get the unmet dependencies error |
| 15:51.20 | abrotman | Cactusaurus: show us your sources.list and the error you're getting |
| 15:51.28 | jelly | !bat |
| 15:51.29 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:51.30 | Cactusaurus | oops nvm the error changed. |
| 15:51.52 | Cactusaurus | I'm really sorry I bothered you guys. |
| 15:52.44 | Cactusaurus | well thank you #debian |
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| 16:14.05 | newbage | hello |
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| 16:14.27 | Nik05 | hello newbage |
| 16:14.58 | newbage | can someone help me with a macbook pro 8.2 debian install? |
| 16:15.37 | Walex2 | newbage: our psychic assistants are all busy on other astral planes... |
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| 16:16.22 | newbage | also, in addition to installing debian, I need to figure out how to change astral planes |
| 16:16.41 | Walex2 | newbage: from which year did your time machine get your an 8.2 Debian installer? |
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| 16:17.01 | newbage | ahhh… I have a macbook pro 8.2 |
| 16:17.11 | newbage | I am trying to install debian 7.5 nonfree |
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| 16:17.46 | Walex2 | newbage: and which problem do you have? Until you give details people won't know if they can answer. |
| 16:18.00 | newbage | walex2: do you know anything about installing on a MBP? |
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| 16:18.21 | wols | newbage: do you know anything about how to ask for help in a technical forum? |
| 16:18.32 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell newbage about macbookpro |
| 16:18.36 | Walex2 | newbage: I know about asking question on IRC without assuming help assistants are psychic |
| 16:18.42 | newbage | wols: I was here yesterday and got a lot of help but we didn't finish |
| 16:19.09 | wols | I know you were. if you want to finish, I suggest you start with asking specific technical questions where you have problems |
| 16:19.12 | Walex2 | newbage: this channel does not have a ticketing system and people who answer are random... |
| 16:20.14 | Walex2 | newbage: so you have to repeat all the details of your technical question before someone can figure out if it is something they know about. |
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| 16:21.26 | newbage | ok, so far we've installed debian on a dedicated partition, changed apt source to nonfree, installed b43 drivers for my wireless card, and changed /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf value to 0 from 1… right now, when I boot debian I get to this screen and it freezes on me: http://i.imgur.com/j10tKKQ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5nkoNAP.jpg |
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| 16:23.19 | newbage | since debian isn't actually booting up, all of the changes I've made have been from booting a netinst USB stick and dropping into a shell in my debian partition from rescue mode on the USB |
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| 16:24.25 | newbage | that should bring anyone up to speed… |
| 16:24.37 | moarrr_bitcoins | hello |
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| 16:25.29 | Walex2 | newbage: doing a web search you may have to disable both AMD and intel KMS |
| 16:25.33 | Walex2 | newbage: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook_Pro_8,1_/_8,2_/_8,3_%282011%29#EFI_Boot |
| 16:26.02 | newbage | walex2: that's the resource I was given yesterday… problem is, I can't follow all of it 100% |
| 16:26.14 | newbage | walex2: that's why I came here... |
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| 16:27.36 | newbage | walex2: also, I'm using rEFInd… where do I go to change Kernel Parameters? |
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| 16:29.47 | Walex2 | newbage: you can change them usually on the command line as you boot, but I am not familiar with MacBook EFI... |
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| 16:31.13 | newbage | walex2: how do you change them on the command line as you boot? do you have to hold down a key to get command line? |
| 16:31.22 | Walex2 | newbage: you can hit 'e' in GRUB and edit the boot line |
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| 16:32.03 | newbage | can you understand this: http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/configfile.html |
| 16:32.36 | newbage | walex2: I'm using rEFInd not GRUB or Apple EFI |
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| 16:34.03 | Walex2 | newbage: not rEFInd booting GRUB? |
| 16:34.15 | newbage | walex2: maybe? how do I check that? |
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| 16:35.09 | BackEndCoder_ | does xfce have a 'map network drive' option like gnome ? |
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| 16:35.22 | BackEndCoder_ | i would prefer to use the gui over a cmd line mount |
| 16:35.24 | abrotman | Did you check in Thunar? |
| 16:35.34 | BackEndCoder_ | i will install that, i have the other one |
| 16:35.41 | Walex2 | newbage: well you would see GRUB menu (usually) |
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| 16:36.15 | newbage | walex2: in that case, no… rEFInd boots, gives me a menu, I choose my debian partition and debian boots from that |
| 16:36.28 | BackEndCoder_ | i would assume its open location |
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| 16:36.33 | BackEndCoder_ | but its not doing anything shame |
| 16:36.37 | newbage | walex2: then I get the screen I linked above |
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| 16:37.35 | Walex2 | newbage: if you are booting direct with rEFInd you need to find the 'menuentry' bit with 'add_options'. |
| 16:38.28 | Walex2 | newbage: but you should have looked here http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/using.html under "Adjusting Boot Options" |
| 16:39.11 | newbage | walex2: perfect… I understand some stuff but not everything…looking now… |
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| 16:44.18 | newbage | walex2: ok, I think I can figure out how to change the refind.conf file and do this here locally if you can maybe walk me through what is required according to those webpages |
| 16:44.38 | newbage | walex2: like I said, I don't really understand those that well… |
| 16:44.41 | Walex2 | newbage: "walk through" is something that does not work on IRC. |
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| 16:45.04 | BackEndCoder_ | is cifs still the cool way to mount netwokr drives ? |
| 16:45.09 | Walex2 | newbage: also the page I mentioned shows that you can modify boot options just before boot |
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| 16:45.21 | Walex2 | BackEndCoder_: how cool do you want it to be? |
| 16:45.38 | Walex2 | newbage: so you don't really need to modify the rEFInd config |
| 16:45.48 | Walex2 | newbage: until later... |
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| 16:47.35 | newbage | walex2: so, I press 'insert' when at the rEFInd screen? |
| 16:47.59 | Walex2 | newbage: I never used it, so the docs say. |
| 16:48.38 | Newbage_ | Walex2: ok... I'll try that now... |
| 16:50.10 | Newbage_ | . |
| 16:51.51 | zalami | hello |
| 16:51.56 | zalami | Im installing debian on a little server |
| 16:52.00 | zalami | do I need all 3 isos? |
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| 16:52.27 | musca | zalami: no |
| 16:53.00 | musca | !various cd1 |
| 16:53.00 | dpkg | There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - there's one for GNOME, another for KDE, one for XFCE and another for LXDE. For example; if you wanted the XFCE CD-1 of Debian 7 "Wheezy", you'd grab -> debian-7.5.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso from the mirrors (if you were going for i386 arch). Also ask me about <firmware images>, <release notes>, <ig>, <setup.exe>. |
| 16:53.03 | Walex2 | Newbage_: another Debian-specific page says that you need to add "noapic irqpool" too |
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| 16:53.21 | zalami | thanks musca |
| 16:53.27 | BackEndCoder_ | Walex2, as cool as it neesd to be to work, but i know cifs was like a test version?? maybe its changed now |
| 16:53.41 | jbanier | hi, I'm running debian on a r810 (dell) Did anyone manage to get the online diagnostics running on deb ? |
| 16:53.47 | Newbage_ | Walex2: i dont know what that is |
| 16:53.58 | Walex2 | Newbage_: another two words to add to the boot options |
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| 16:54.21 | musca | zalami: DVD1 will contain all desktops, but for a server you usually don't want a desktop at all. |
| 16:54.42 | zalami | What do I do for that then? |
| 16:55.28 | abrotman | jbanier: You mean the Windows program? |
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| 16:56.00 | jbanier | abrotman: :-) no they have a redhat version and I'm trying to get that one running |
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| 16:56.26 | jbanier | maybee I should try with Docker or something |
| 16:57.02 | musca | zalami: you can install from CD1 and deselect the desktop task, so you will get a text mode environment. |
| 16:57.12 | zalami | thanks musca |
| 16:57.46 | musca | zalami: do you know which kind of network card your server has built into? |
| 16:58.23 | zalami | musca: not really. This is kinda babbys first full blown server, I use linux but I've never had a dedicated server |
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| 16:59.37 | musca | zalami: okay, have fun :) |
| 16:59.55 | zultron | I'm trying to figure out how to put packages compiled separately for multiple Debian codenames in a single Debian archive. I see Ubuntu has the convention of adding e.g. ~precise1 to the version, but it appears to be an Ubuntu-ism only. What do we do to give separate packages for e.g. wheezy and jessie unique, non-conflicting names? |
| 17:00.50 | zalami | musca: thanks! |
| 17:01.20 | zalami | musca: do you think I should try using jessie on it? I am right now downloading 7.4 |
| 17:01.25 | zalami | well, burning the iso |
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| 17:01.50 | zalami | ot yet managed by the security team. Hence, testing does not get security updates in a timely manner. |
| 17:01.51 | zalami | o no |
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| 17:01.56 | musca | zalami: debian stable is good for servers. |
| 17:02.01 | zalami | roger |
| 17:02.13 | Newbage | Walex2: ok, I have boot with normal options or single user mode |
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| 17:04.09 | Newbage | Walex2: what should I do for what you were talking about? |
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| 17:08.38 | Jonuz | If I remove totem why apt wants also remove gnome? |
| 17:09.02 | Walex2 | Newbage: at that point you should be able to edit the "normal options" |
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| 17:09.45 | Walex2 | Newbage: as that page says "you can press the Insert, F2, or + key again to edit your boot loader options" |
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| 17:10.40 | Newbage | Walex2: actually, I think I found an easier way to do is... I'm going to boot to grub from refind |
| 17:11.31 | Newbage | ok, I'm in grub...what now? |
| 17:12.18 | Walex2 | Newbage: you edit the boot command line with "e" |
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| 17:13.22 | Newbage | Walex2: ok, I'm there... what am I changing? |
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| 17:14.39 | manishthatte | hi folks |
| 17:14.47 | manishthatte | whats new at debian? |
| 17:15.04 | manishthatte | anybody have any problems? |
| 17:15.16 | Walex2 | Newbage: add at the end the words mentioned before: i915.modeset=0 radeon.modeset=0 |
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| 17:16.23 | Walex2 | Newbage: add at the end the words mentioned before: i915.modeset=0 radeon.modeset=0 noapic irqpool" |
| 17:16.30 | centrx | manishthatte, All systems operating within normal parameters. |
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| 17:16.51 | centrx | dpkg, Do you concur? |
| 17:16.51 | dpkg | eagerly does you concur |
| 17:16.55 | centrx | !status |
| 17:16.55 | dpkg | Since Mon May 26 11:05:02 2014, there have been 0 modifications, 29 questions, 8 dunnos, 0 morons and 11 commands. I have been awake for 6h 11m 53s this session, and currently reference 39965 factoids. I'm using about 30352 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 38.56/3.3 child 0.02/0.02 |
| 17:17.23 | manishthatte | :)centrx what hw config do u use? |
| 17:17.49 | manishthatte | dpkg is the bot |
| 17:17.50 | dpkg | manishthatte: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 17:17.53 | centrx | manishthatte, 2011 quad-core with 8GB RAM |
| 17:18.16 | manishthatte | mine is a netbook :) |
| 17:18.22 | manishthatte | currently |
| 17:18.38 | manishthatte | have another more powerful sys at the office |
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| 17:19.08 | centrx | manishthatte, Make sure to install Debian on both of them. Hurry |
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| 17:19.22 | manishthatte | i have |
| 17:19.48 | Newbage | Walex2: I'm on irc on my phone I can't see what words before |
| 17:20.00 | Newbage | Walex2: where am I adding these lines? |
| 17:20.28 | Walex2 | Newbage: to the boot options of GRUB |
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| 17:20.50 | Newbage | so I don't have to add them in a specific place? |
| 17:20.52 | Walex2 | Newbage: the Linux kernel boot options. |
| 17:21.06 | Walex2 | Newbage: no, order does not matter wrt other options. |
| 17:21.22 | Jonuz | Seriusly, why apt is going to delete gnome when I try to delete gnome-games or some other package which is part of gnome? |
| 17:21.22 | Walex2 | Newbage: but it must be the kernel options line |
| 17:21.44 | Walex2 | Jonuz: because they are part of the dependecies of that package. |
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| 17:22.06 | Walex2 | Jonuz: that seems self evident: if a package A depends on B, and B is not available, A is a broken package and should be removed. |
| 17:22.32 | Walex2 | Jonuz: you are missing a couple of vital details here. But the above is quite correct. |
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| 17:23.47 | Newbage | Walex2: setparams 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64' |
| 17:24.05 | Newbage | the file that starts with that? |
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| 17:24.28 | Walex2 | Newbage: you can do it most easily at boot time. |
| 17:25.05 | Walex2 | Newbage: otherwise I don't remember how to edit GRUB config files. I rely on the manual and web HOWTOs. |
| 17:25.14 | Newbage | ok, if I boot from grub how do I do that? |
| 17:25.41 | AquaL1te | \quit |
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| 17:27.12 | Walex2 | Newbage: you select the boot line and type 'e' |
| 17:28.01 | Newbage | ok |
| 17:28.34 | Newbage | my phone doesn't show what lines you told me to add anymore, can you resend? |
| 17:28.42 | Newbage | sorry |
| 17:28.50 | joelmo | do anyone know how I can configure the fonts to fill up the edges when i start gvim, looks like this now http://imgur.com/PTxDahP |
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| 17:30.18 | Walex2 | Newbage: no lines, just words |
| 17:30.31 | secretpow | Hi, could anyone tell me which package contains /usr/include/stdc-predef.h? Searching https://packages.debian.org/ didn't yield any results |
| 17:30.45 | Newbage | Walex2: what do I add? |
| 17:30.46 | Walex2 | Newbage: i915.modeset=0 radeon.modeset=0 noapic irqpool |
| 17:30.46 | abrotman | dpkg: tell secretpow about apt-file |
| 17:30.53 | Newbage | Walex2: k |
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| 17:31.05 | Walex2 | Newbage: 4 long words |
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| 17:31.14 | Walex2 | Newbage: last is "irqpool" |
| 17:31.21 | Newbage | Walex2: and I can add these anywhere in here? |
| 17:31.36 | Newbage | Walex2: or somewhere specific? |
| 17:31.37 | Walex2 | Newbage: to the kernel options line in any place |
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| 17:31.46 | onext | Hello ! I have problems installing Wheezy on my IBook G4 : I install all correctly, but have further to change key mapping (keyboard : france / macintoch) and then I'm unable to uncrypt the partitions... cause the key mapping have changed from what it was during install. How can I do my install ?? or else can I select france mac as keyboard during install ? |
| 17:31.59 | Walex2 | Newbage: I think that overall that you are trying to do that you cannot afford to do. |
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| 17:32.50 | Walex2 | Newbage: customizing an install for an unsupported platform requires an experience administrator. IRC requires that the person seeking help already know how to execute it. |
| 17:32.52 | secretpow | No results either. How am I missing that damn file? :/ |
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| 17:33.25 | Jonuz | Can I remove some /usr/share/locale/ directories with out breaking something? |
| 17:34.42 | mtn | Jonuz: if it ain't broke, don't fix it? |
| 17:34.49 | nkuttler | Jonuz: why do you ask? |
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| 17:35.06 | nkuttler | Jonuz: and, no |
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| 17:35.11 | Newbage | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.12 | Jonuz | I need more space and I see that there are several locales that I dont need |
| 17:35.15 | abrotman | secretpow: how did you search? |
| 17:35.41 | Newbage | Walex2: I'm relatively experienced just not with Linux, grub, or refind |
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| 17:36.06 | Walex2 | Newbage: but problem is you are using Linux brug and refind :-) |
| 17:36.08 | secretpow | pow@box:~$ apt-file search stdc-predef.h |
| 17:36.10 | secretpow | Outputs nothing |
| 17:36.16 | abrotman | secretpow: did you apt-file update vefore running that? |
| 17:36.20 | secretpow | Yes, I did |
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| 17:36.29 | abrotman | then it hsould have worked |
| 17:36.30 | Newbage | Walex2: trying to learn, yes |
| 17:36.32 | abrotman | secretpow: wheezy? |
| 17:36.35 | secretpow | Yes |
| 17:36.44 | abrotman | judd: file stdc-predef.h --release wheezy |
| 17:36.48 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 17:36.52 | abrotman | judd: file stdc-predef.h --release jessie |
| 17:36.54 | Newbage | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.58 | judd | Search for stdc-predef.h in jessie/i386: libc6-dev: usr/include/stdc-predef.h |
| 17:37.06 | abrotman | secretpow: WHeezy doesn't have that file, the libc6 is too old |
| 17:37.25 | secretpow | I see :/ |
| 17:37.41 | secretpow | Thanks anyway |
| 17:38.53 | onext | No one can help me ? |
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| 17:40.03 | Newbage | Walex2: is there a Debian distro that's better for starters like me? |
| 17:40.23 | abrotman | Newbage: Debian is a distro, perhaps you mean Debina-based? |
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| 17:40.59 | Walex2 | Newbage: you are not looking for "better for starters" but "customized out of the box for MacBook 8.2" |
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| 17:43.37 | Walex2 | Newbage: every different model of MacBook requires somewhat different tweaks; the standard version of Debian does not have the exact combination of tweaks that makes it run on a MacBook Pro 8.2. Maybe some Debian derived distro has been tweaked deliberately or accidentally with the exact tweaks needed for MacBook 8.2 |
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| 17:44.29 | Walex2 | Newbage: probably quite a few users of Debian have done those tweaks themselves, and the others may have just given up. |
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| 17:45.08 | newbage1 | Walex2: I'd like to not give up |
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| 17:46.16 | ZitZ | anyone notice with new installs of jessie when you login, there is a perl error, related to liblocal-lib-perl not being installed? |
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| 17:46.31 | Han | Since the last week's update my laptop hangs on wakeing up. My monitor stays dark. Does anyone else notice this change in behaviour? |
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| 17:47.14 | mtn | Han: update to what? |
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| 17:47.53 | Han | mtn, to the latest testing. |
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| 17:48.14 | mtn | Han: ah, you should go to #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 17:48.23 | bertrik | Han: I've had similar problems |
| 17:48.42 | bertrik | also on my netbook, backlight no longer works with kernel 3.14 (it does with 3.13) |
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| 17:49.06 | Han | mtn, ah, debian-next is forwarded to #debian. :-) |
| 17:49.16 | abrotman | on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:49.55 | somiaj | Han: irc.ofct.net is another server, but what I would do is see what upgraded, and decide what could have broken things. If it is a kernel, try the older kernel, then look at bugs or submit one on the bts |
| 17:49.59 | Han | bertrik, that's easy to test indeed. Thanks for the tip. |
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| 17:51.05 | Walex2 | newbage1: then how did the boot with those four new options go? |
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| 17:51.49 | newbage1 | walex2: it didn't go |
| 17:52.10 | newbage1 | walex2: it boots better when I boot form refind |
| 17:52.28 | newbage1 | walex2: booting from grub never really did much |
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| 17:53.16 | Walex2 | newbage1: you can add those options to refind too... |
| 17:53.35 | newbage1 | walex2: well, shit… let me go there… |
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| 18:00.13 | newbage1 | walex2: and where are you finding these 'words' to add? |
| 18:00.40 | Walex2 | newbage1: one the page you already know |
| 18:02.13 | newbage1 | walex2: but I don't see the apic thing that you added at the end |
| 18:02.24 | newbage1 | or whatever you put at the end |
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| 18:04.17 | Han | bertrik, that did the trick indeed, thanks for the heads up. |
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| 18:04.31 | somiaj | newbage1: just a random question though seems Walex2 understands your setup better than I. You are using efi boot and grub-efi right? (isn't this required for macbooks?) |
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| 18:05.05 | Walex2 | newbage1: consider for example https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook# |
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| 18:05.37 | Walex2 | newbage1: "This should keep the screen from going black when booting the new system." section |
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| 18:07.09 | newbage1 | somiaj: I thought you left earlier… I have Apple's stock EFI (which only boots Mac OS X), GRUB, and rEFInd… I can use any of them as long as I can get this machine to boot Debian… yesterday, most of the progress #Debian and I made was with rEFInd and that seems to get me much farther along in the boot process than GRUB… although, I can use/do whatever #Debian seems to think is best... |
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| 18:07.57 | somiaj | newbage1: well here is me hoping you can get it to work, I have no experience with such hardware. (: |
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| 18:08.54 | newbage1 | somiaj: it's really educational… I'll be much better prepared the next time I buy a new machine |
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| 18:09.29 | nf7 | Hi there. Could someone explain to me the main differences between a Ubuntu server and a Debian one? I understand the differences between the desktop versions, but for purely command line server types stuff, are they pretty much the same under the hood? Or very different? Thanks. |
| 18:09.36 | newbage1 | somiaj: apple makes beautiful machines but their innards are cranky |
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| 18:11.54 | centrx | nf7, Ubuntu provides some of its own server-management tools, and uses a different init daemon, upstart, for example |
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| 18:12.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps how do i get apt/dpkg to install the 3.60 version of puppet and puppetmaster and not the latest version? i forget how |
| 18:12.43 | centrx | nf7, but, you can run the Ubuntu server without the Ubuntu-created components, and you can run Debian with many of the Ubuntu components installed (e.g. you can install upstart on Debian too) |
| 18:13.32 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 18:14.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | ty |
| 18:14.26 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: however, 3.6.0 seems _to be_ the latest available in debian testing and unstable |
| 18:14.33 | jelly-home | ,v puppet |
| 18:14.34 | judd | Package: puppet on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.2-5+squeeze9; squeeze-security: 2.6.2-5+squeeze9; squeeze-backports: 2.7.18-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.7.23-1~deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.7.23-1~deb7u3; jessie: 3.6.0-1; sid: 3.6.0-1 |
| 18:14.51 | nf7 | centrx: Interesting. Other than those things, are there specific types of uses that people utilize Debian servers over Ubuntu (or any other) or is it all just down to preference mostly? I know that Debian has a reputation for being stable and secure, though it's sometimes a few versions behind on some things toward that end. |
| 18:15.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | nah they got their own repo i just want to know how to preference 3.6.0 over 3.6.1 |
| 18:15.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | isnt there like a freeze or hold option? |
| 18:15.29 | newbage1 | walex2: ok, I'm going to reboot now… which means I'm going to my phone and you'll have to text me those 'words' |
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| 18:15.51 | somiaj | nf7: you'll have different versions of software available, different security issues adn security team giving you updates, but the top level software (apache, mail servers, etc) will be very similar and suually around the same versions. |
| 18:16.26 | somiaj | nf7: but the core tools and policy, how things are configured by default, etc is getting quite different from ubuntu to debian these days. |
| 18:16.29 | centrx | nf7, As far as versions go, comparing Debian stable vs Ubuntu LTS, Debian stable actually has more frequent major releases, so it is newer more of the time (of course always depending on the release cycles of each) |
| 18:16.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | aye i got their own repo |
| 18:16.59 | centrx | *what stage of the release cycle each happens to be at today |
| 18:17.28 | Newbage | Walex2: ok, I'm in refind's line editor |
| 18:17.29 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: is this the puppet labs repo, someone eariler showed us that repo has lots and lots of versions available and they used pinning to force a certain version from it |
| 18:17.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok, |
| 18:17.53 | Newbage | Walex2: one more time, what am I adding? |
| 18:18.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | hmmm |
| 18:18.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | yah it does. |
| 18:18.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | excuse me cat is being annoyin... |
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| 18:21.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 18:21.38 | nf7 | centrx: Thanks for the information! Another sort of related question... Knowing Linux decently well, will I have a lot of trouble using BSD on a server? I've heard that it's much harder to deal with in some respects. I do know OSX very well, though I'm not sure much of the knowledge would translate over to a BSD server though... |
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| 18:22.47 | centrx | nf7, It may be more difficult because a) BSD is different. b) Less emphasis on catering to less experienced users than some distros like Ubuntu e.g. |
| 18:22.57 | centrx | nf7, but don't let that stop you |
| 18:23.27 | centrx | nf7, BSD is very much Unix, but still distinctly different than Linux |
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| 18:24.02 | centrx | nf7, The apps though, e.g. apache, are going to be the same though, so it evens out |
| 18:24.20 | centrx | Many of them |
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| 18:24.48 | nf7 | centrx: Ok. Honestly my OSX and Linux dabblings have been almost identical between the two, so I'm not really pushing either to the limits of where they shine. |
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| 18:25.39 | somiaj | nf7: my limited experience is the first hurdle of just philosophy/things at the core are done differently, I think once you get use to the basic tools and some philosophy, then end tools as centrx said would be fairly similar |
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| 18:28.19 | nf7 | Thanks for the info everyone. I'm talking to you guys from behind my college port blocks by ssh'ing into my Linux server at home and using command line irssi. But the home server is a really crappy atom netbook. I've got some really good hardware just sitting there and I'm trying to decide what to put on it, between Ubuntu, Debian, and FreeBSD. Leaning towards Debian at this point. This is all mostly for the learning experience. |
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| 18:30.46 | somiaj | nf7: well have fun what ever you choose, and you are kinda approaching off-topic as this is really a debian support room, (: |
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| 18:31.28 | monkwitdafunk | Hi nf7. i have debian 7.5.0 dvd1 to dvd3 |
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| 18:33.26 | donttrustem | guys I have just added a user to the www-data group but the user doesn´t have write access |
| 18:34.23 | somiaj | donttrustem: did you log-out/login as that user so you see www-data when you type 'groups' |
| 18:34.39 | somiaj | donttrustem: also by default that group has very little it has write access to unless you manually configure it. |
| 18:34.43 | donttrustem | uid=1003(mark) gid=1003(mark) groups=1003(mark),33(www-data) |
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| 18:35.17 | donttrustem | somiaj, the www-data group owns the dirs |
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| 18:35.59 | somiaj | donttrustem: sure but usually the group doesn't have write access |
| 18:36.02 | donttrustem | I did a chown -R www-data:www-data |
| 18:36.17 | somiaj | donttrustem: for the most part the server just needs to be able to read the files, not write to them |
| 18:36.37 | somiaj | donttrustem: that still dosen't give the group write access, you need to do that as well, chmod g+w foo |
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| 18:38.50 | somiaj | donttrustem: I see an XY problem here, why do you want to give www-data write access as a group, this can be trouble some because it gives your webserver the ability to write/change files, which someon can then use your web-server to write/delete things which is a security issue to me |
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| 18:39.21 | donttrustem | Yeah .... I was just thinking that |
| 18:39.28 | cuqa | hello |
| 18:39.40 | cuqa | i just purged iceweasel and now autoremove wants to remove gnome |
| 18:39.40 | donttrustem | I will just give the user write access to those dirs |
| 18:39.46 | cuqa | why is that? :[ |
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| 18:40.43 | somiaj | cuqa: gnome is a meta-package that depends on what debian calls the full gnome enviroment, and iceweasle is part of that |
| 18:41.20 | somiaj | cuqa: so if you remove iceweasel, most likely many packages were automatic installs from teh gnome meta-package, maybe try 'apt-get install gnome-core' to put the core package on manual |
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| 18:41.45 | cuqa | hm i see |
| 18:41.52 | somiaj | cuqa: packages have auto/manual flags and removeing the manual package gnome that is holding the other packages in is what caused the issue |
| 18:41.54 | cuqa | but dont really understand the point |
| 18:41.58 | somiaj | cuqa: why did you install iceweasel |
| 18:42.06 | cuqa | uninstall? |
| 18:42.13 | cuqa | i want to use latest firefox |
| 18:42.29 | somiaj | cuqa: lets say you apt-get install 'somesoftware' and it pulls in lots of libary dependencies. Wouldn't it be nice if you only had to remove somepackage to get all the libaries and dependencies you no longer need to be removed too? |
| 18:42.40 | somiaj | cuqa: use mozilla.debian.net, iceweasle is firefox |
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| 18:42.50 | cuqa | yea, but its not the latest |
| 18:43.16 | pupil | fyi, the default firefox in Ubuntu 14.04 can't play html5 videos |
| 18:43.41 | somiaj | pupil: this is not #ubuntu so it isn't important here |
| 18:43.54 | somiaj | cuqa: use mozilla.debian.net they provide the latest fireforx for debian stable |
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| 18:44.06 | pupil | it means, iceweasel is better than firefox :) |
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| 18:45.20 | cuqa | thanks |
| 18:45.30 | cuqa | that is helpful |
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| 18:46.07 | somiaj | cuqa: I was trying to check what version they have now, I know there is a small delay between new firefox release and packaged for debian, but the mozilla team usually has the newer versions packaged for wheezy fairly quickly. |
| 18:46.27 | somiaj | my guess is you will get what you want from m.d.n and it will integrate with your system better |
| 18:46.32 | cuqa | okay, i was just not so happy to be at 24.5 when newest is 29.x |
| 18:46.50 | cuqa | thanks for your help |
| 18:47.00 | somiaj | cuqa: the ers is actually fairly recent and supported, but yes some like the higher numbers. (: |
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| 18:47.11 | somiaj | arg esr |
| 18:48.31 | somiaj | the security team providing at least an upstream supported esr has helped out a lot with recent browswer available in stable, which I'm glad to see the change. |
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| 18:50.08 | centrx | cuqa, chromium is also available and uses a different release scheme so it is often the very latest |
| 18:50.37 | centrx | cuqa, (that's the open-source project underlying Google Chrome) |
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| 18:51.54 | Sez | hi |
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| 18:59.57 | galex-713 | What would be the best (or rather one of the bests) tutorial to teach newbies —lambda people— how to use GPG with popular MUA like Thunderbird/ClawsMail/Evolution/KMail? |
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| 19:01.30 | LostCat | Personally, I haven't set up GPG with those, but alternatively you can use GPG and past the encrypted message in an email. |
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| 19:03.31 | LostCat | Search enigmail tutorials |
| 19:03.46 | LostCat | That should get you in the right direction I believe |
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| 19:15.53 | sKeiths | i normally starts x via startx after logging in and recently started using hibernate. i was semi-surprised when i was able to jump to console and crtl+c out to a logged in shell after restore from hibernate. |
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| 19:16.38 | edeca | sKeiths: Is that any different from using Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get back to your shell? |
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| 19:17.06 | sKeiths | exactly same. i just didn't type that i did crtl+alt+f1 |
| 19:18.18 | sKeiths | i supose i should be using gdm if i want to hibernate securely. |
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| 19:21.20 | zykotick9 | sKeiths: fyi, resuming from hibernate on my box, still requires my FDE/LUKS password... just sayin' |
| 19:23.06 | sKeiths | now that i should do. |
| 19:23.17 | sKeiths | FDE |
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| 19:33.55 | sKeiths | on second thoughts. gdm looks easier than fde. i should have done fde when i was building system in first place. adding it retrospectively looks difficult on first glance. |
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| 19:40.10 | zykotick9 | sKeiths: ya, i've never attempted after install (i doubt it would work well TBO). the encrypted-lvm during install is straight forward ;) well, best of luck with *DM! |
| 19:40.48 | sKeiths | ty zykotick9 . next time i'll say yes to encryption during install. |
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| 19:54.00 | GEEGEEGEE | dpkg, tell GEEGEEGEE about debian clone |
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| 19:54.50 | zykotick9 | GEEGEEGEE: you can use "/msg dpkg foo" to get messages privately |
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| 19:55.17 | zykotick9 | s/messages/factoids/ |
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| 19:56.51 | sKeiths | well, that didn't work :( when i logged in it only opened a gui terminal window which was empty, just menus. |
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| 20:19.27 | Cylta1 | hello. I'm trying to install a program from private repositorium, but developers did not include my distribution. I have jessie, but here is list of what they support: http://build.openmodelica.org/apt/dists/ . |
| 20:19.39 | Cylta1 | So, I tried "nightly" as "deb http://build.openmodelica.org/apt nightly nightly" in my source.list. apt-get can see this, and find this files, but "W: Failed to fetch http://build.openmodelica.org/apt/dists/nightly/Release Unable to find expected entry" |
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| 20:20.10 | Cylta1 | https://openmodelica.org/index.php/download/download-linux here is how-to that they are offering to use |
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| 20:25.57 | ArexR | I just installed debian on a pentium II with 130MB of ram |
| 20:26.20 | ArexR | I need a de/wm for it that takes very little ram |
| 20:26.25 | ArexR | suggestions? |
| 20:26.30 | jmcnaught | Cylta1: They provide packages for Wheezy so you could use Wheezy instead of Jessie. Otherwise the download page you linked to has instructions for compiling the source packages |
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| 20:26.39 | mtn | ArexR: openbox |
| 20:26.53 | ArexR | mtn: how much ram does it cost? |
| 20:27.08 | mtn | ArexR: no idea, but google might know |
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| 20:27.36 | mtn | ArexR: you might be stuck without any wm with that little ram |
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| 20:29.00 | Cylta1 | jmcnaught: yes, and how should I change string "eb http://build.openmodelica.org/apt nightly nightly", so it would download everything as if I had wheezy? |
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| 20:31.07 | jmcnaught | Cylta1: sorry if i wasn't clear enough. My advice was to run Wheezy on your system to make this easier to install. I'm not sure how well it would work if you used their wheezy repo in jessie. Otherwise the instructions for building from source are on one of the pages you linked to |
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| 20:31.56 | Cylta1 | jmcnaught: ohh.. that will require to change so many things.. okay, I will use sources, thank you. |
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| 20:36.18 | martianlobster1 | I changed one parameter in one module. Is there a way for me to recompile this one module and install it, without resinstalling an entirely new kernel, with a new set of modules? |
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| 20:37.22 | Yoshi1 | anyone know a good equivalent for virtual dj for windows? |
| 20:38.13 | jmcnaught | Yoshi1: terminatorx? |
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| 20:39.59 | newbage1 | does anyone here know a good channel for figuring out how to boot Mac OS X from GRUB? |
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| 20:42.15 | jmcnaught | newbage1: maybe there's a local linux users group that hold regular meetings in your area? If you bring your laptop to one of their events you might find someone who can help you? Sometimes LUGs will host "Install Fests" to help people get Linux installed. Just a suggestion because it seems you've had a lot of trouble getting this figured out over IRC. |
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| 20:48.11 | bazhang | #grub exists |
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| 20:50.58 | petn-randall | martianlobster1: You can pass module parameters via the command line, which might be easier than recompiling the kernel. |
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| 20:53.34 | Yoshi1 | jmcnaught: how do i get terminatorz to play to a stream? |
| 20:54.44 | jmcnaught | Yoshi1: sorry i don't know how to use it, i was just aware of its existence |
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| 21:01.01 | martianlobster1 | I just recompiled asix.ko. I modified asix_devices.c cd /usr/src/linux-3.10.4; make; rmmod asix; modprove asix; I am currently using the 3.10.4 kernel. Did I correctly load the new asix,ko module? or put another way, when I do a "modprove asix" where is modprobe looking for asix.ko? |
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| 21:03.59 | sidolee | ck |
| 21:04.23 | ziftex | May I go abit offtopic? |
| 21:04.29 | teraflops | no |
| 21:04.39 | sidolee | i am talking about live debian |
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| 21:05.05 | sidolee | live debian manual... |
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| 21:08.41 | sidolee | but there is also a script "user-setup" and there they wrote, to set a password write echo mkpasswd? so which is the right script? |
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| 21:11.09 | temhaa | hi, I'm using rsyslog 5.8.11 on debian. I have experienced problem today. apache error log to syslog same line more one million |
| 21:11.21 | temhaa | I thinking occur infinite loop on rsyslog. recovery after restart rsyslog |
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| 21:34.28 | zh1 | http://i.imgur.com/GqjOSHa.png :( |
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| 21:38.24 | petn-randall | zh1: Just take the http link on the debian page. |
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| 21:41.25 | zh1 | CD/DVD/USB (via BitTorrent) |
| 21:41.25 | zh1 | Hybrid ISO image files suitable for writing to DVD-R(W) or CD-R(W) media, depending on size, and also USB keys of the appropriate size. If you can use BitTorrent, please do, as it reduces the load on our servers. |
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| 21:42.34 | petn-randall | Emphasis mine: *IF* you can use BitTorrent, please do, as it reduces the load on our servers. |
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| 21:43.47 | zh1 | if is down? |
| 21:44.23 | teraflops | zh1: get the bunch of isos, generate the torrent for each one using open trackers then seed, then ill download and seed your torrent :P |
| 21:44.36 | petn-randall | zh1: Apparently you can't reach the tracker (either firewalled or because its down), so just use the http link. |
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| 21:45.55 | zh1 | alredy did |
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| 21:49.50 | martianlobster1 | I have 4 hard drives. I installed xubuntu on hd3, and it got marked as bootable, and hd1 is no longer the default boot drive. HD1 is where I have debian. How can mark hd1 as the bootable drive so that it automatically boots there, and I don't have to hit f8, ahd choose hd1, everytime I boot? |
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| 21:53.59 | petn-randall | martianlobster1: That is something to change in your BIOS. |
| 21:55.14 | craigbass1976 | Is there some trick to getting mod_rewrite running on a debian box? I've done an a2enmod and edited /etc/apache2/sites-available/00-default so that AllowOverride was set to all in the appropriate places. I'm not sure wwhat I'm missing |
| 21:55.28 | martianlobster1 | petn-randall: alas the rom bios does not let me do that |
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| 21:56.17 | zykotick9 | martianlobster1: i honestly find that, hard to believe... |
| 21:56.46 | zykotick9 | martianlobster1: fyi, grub doesn't care/or use the bootable flag... |
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| 21:56.49 | martianlobster1 | zykotick9: perhaps I should call the manufacturer |
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| 21:57.27 | martianlobster1 | I have been through the bios countless times, it lets me choose a boot device, but I only have once choice of hard drives. |
| 21:57.35 | martianlobster1 | which is the wrong hard drive |
| 21:57.58 | petn-randall | martianlobster1: Doesn't sound very much like a Debian problem, though ... |
| 21:58.07 | martianlobster1 | :-( |
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| 21:59.02 | teraflops | if you can set the order (hard to believe) just re-plug the hds in the proper order |
| 21:59.13 | petn-randall | martianlobster1: What you can do, though, is install grub into *all* HDDs, if it doesn't overwrite a boot loader you want to keep. |
| 22:00.01 | petn-randall | martianlobster1: Most BIOSes you can change the order with + and -, check the help text carefully. |
| 22:01.45 | martianlobster1 | OK I will check again |
| 22:03.09 | Hambo | Hi, I'm stuck in a bit of a dependency loop, one package depends on =version of another, but its pre-removal script fails so I can't install the newer version of the other package which I think would solve the pre-removal issue. But apt insists on upgrading the leaf package first. putting it on hold doesn't work, removing the leaf also uninstalls a large number of other packages, and I don't really want to manually download and do dpkg --force-depends |
| 22:03.10 | Hambo | -version. Is there a way to tell apt the order to install things in a single command? or should I just hold my nose and do 'apt-get --force'? |
| 22:03.50 | Hambo | hope that makes some sort of sense. |
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| 22:05.17 | zykotick9 | Hambo: just curious, are you trying to install a binary from another debian version, or is this some 3rd party repo? |
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| 22:08.57 | Hambo | zykotick9, it's actually a ubuntu 14.04 systemd security update, but hoping to get some general apt-get/dpkg advice I didn't mention any of those three things. ;-) but it's all stock, no funny business other than it's happening in a chroot. |
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| 22:09.15 | zykotick9 | Hambo: #ubuntu is over there -> |
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| 22:10.13 | Hambo | .... which is exactly why I didn't mention it. |
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| 22:10.38 | Hambo | this is a general apt/dpkg question. |
| 22:11.48 | petn-randall | Hambo: Nope, it's not. |
| 22:11.53 | petn-randall | !based on |
| 22:11.53 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 22:15.48 | Hambo | I'm asking if there is a way to tell apt to internally hold a package during its own process, or at least to ignore/retry if errors are found. I am not asking about the ubuntu bug, merely trying to find a work around using standard apt/dpkg command line arguments in a forum not dominated by the blind leading the blind. fwiw I am typing this on wheezy... |
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| 22:45.10 | temhaa | can you help me about rsyslog. |
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| 22:48.32 | temhaa | rsyslog loop problem is it possible |
| 22:49.21 | petn-randall | Hello temhaa, it's best to just straight ask you problem and then wait for an answer. |
| 22:49.35 | petn-randall | *about your |
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| 22:50.38 | temhaa | petn-randall, emergency issue |
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| 22:51.20 | petn-randall | temhaa: .... and your question is? |
| 22:52.09 | temhaa | I'm using rsyslog 5.8.11 on debian. I have experienced problem today. apache error log to syslog same line more one million. I thinking occur infinite loop on rsyslog. recovery after restart rsyslog |
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| 22:53.42 | petn-randall | temhaa: And it always has the same timestamp? |
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| 22:54.08 | temhaa | petn-randall, yes |
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| 23:00.22 | newbage | tremo: hey tremo! |
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| 23:01.35 | newbage | anyone here ever installed debian on a MacBook Pro before? |
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| 23:02.03 | petn-randall | temhaa: Which log file exactly? apache writes to its own logs. |
| 23:02.34 | temhaa | petn-randall, syslog but sender is apache |
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| 23:02.39 | buu | newbage: I just want to know how to remap the fn key =[ |
| 23:02.54 | temhaa | petn-randall, apache send to syslog |
| 23:03.30 | petn-randall | newbage: Probably, the installation surveys suggest it. |
| 23:03.43 | petn-randall | temhaa: Which file? |
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| 23:04.28 | temhaa | petn-randall, I dont understand. problem files is /var/log/syslog |
| 23:05.49 | petn-randall | temhaa: Sounds like a configuration issue, apache2 never logs into there. |
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| 23:06.56 | temhaa | temhaa, what? never logs into there? apache conf is ErrorLog "|/usr/bin/logger -t apache2 -p local2.info" |
| 23:07.04 | temhaa | petn-randall, |
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| 23:09.49 | petn-randall | temhaa: Sorry, I have to catch some sleep. Maybe someone else in this channel can help you. |
| 23:10.32 | temhaa | petn-randall, thanks |
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| 23:14.07 | byte | n8 |
| 23:14.58 | jmcnaught | temhaa: why do you use logger for the apache ErrorLog? |
| 23:15.44 | temhaa | jmcnaught, I use logger error and access log because I sending remote syslog server |
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| 23:26.28 | tdignan | is there a way I can tell checkinstall to go ahead and overwrite a file that belongs to another package? |
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| 23:31.43 | tdignan | nm, got it with --force-overwrite on dpkg |
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| 23:39.18 | codepython777 | I've a startup script that i'm executing using systemd - for some reason it doesnt get executed:http://paste.ubuntu.com/7525201/ - my.local is a short python script that creates a file in /tmp - it seems its not getting executed. |
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| 23:49.24 | themill | codepython777: your unit claims to be for rc.local compatibility -- you are aware that's not actually needed, aren't you? |
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| 23:53.56 | nurupo | is it possible to use both primary (ftp.<country>.debian.org) and secondary mirrors? |
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| 23:54.39 | woshty | nurupo: why not? |
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| 23:58.50 | nurupo | not sure how fast secondary mirrors are, i used primary all the time, but i would think that they would be faster, but perhaps a bit out of sync. so i would like something like: get a list of packages from both primary and secondary, use primary's list since it's more up to date, download all possible packages from a secondary mirror and if it misses some newer packages -- only then get them from the primary mirror |
| 23:59.57 | nurupo | woshty: would just adding secondary followed by primary in sources.list do the trick? |
