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| 00:01.27 | jiffe98 | why is debian stable still showing glusterfs version 3.2? |
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| 00:02.27 | jiffe98 | I had installed glusterfs-server a month or two ago and got 3.4.2 |
| 00:02.39 | nkuttler | ,v glusterfs-server |
| 00:02.40 | judd | Package: glusterfs-server on i386 -- squeeze: 3.0.5-1; squeeze-backports: 3.2.7-3+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2.7-3+deb7u1; jessie: 3.5.0-1; sid: 3.5.0-1 |
| 00:03.06 | nkuttler | jiffe98: sounds like you were running testing.. or some other distro |
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| 00:03.47 | jiffe98 | nkuttler: 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib' and 'deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib' are the only two entries in sources.list |
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| 00:04.27 | nkuttler | jiffe98: debian doesn't downgrade packages. you didn't have 3.4.2 on wheezy |
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| 00:04.58 | jiffe98 | suppose I could have added a repo and removed it after install |
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| 00:06.04 | nkuttler | jiffe98: can you paste apt-cache policy glusterfs-server libc6 on paste.debian.net? |
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| 00:09.05 | AndChat|624225 | Hello |
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| 00:11.16 | AndChat|624225 | I have OpenBSD 5.5 installed, and would like to switch to Debian. |
| 00:12.23 | AndChat|624225 | On the ffs partition, I put vmlinuz, initrd.gz, and debian-7.5.0-netinst.iso in the root directory. |
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| 00:13.29 | AndChat|624225 | I installed grub and rebooted, and booted vmlinuz from grub. |
| 00:13.53 | AndChat|624225 | Now Debian-installer does not find the iso. |
| 00:14.21 | wols | yiz viit frin tge USI, grzv2 cab di tgat |
| 00:14.29 | wols | damn |
| 00:14.39 | hesco | is there a resource for investigating hardware compatibility with respect to Secure boot / UEFI and systemd-shim? |
| 00:14.45 | wols | you boot from the ISO, grub2 can do that |
| 00:15.10 | AndChat|624225 | grub legacy, unfortunately :/ |
| 00:15.53 | wols | even there you can. or you use debootstrap |
| 00:16.10 | codepython777 | themill: I'm trying to run a script at startup and shutdown using systemd |
| 00:16.22 | AndChat|624225 | Really? OK. |
| 00:16.33 | codepython777 | themill: trying to get both to work - but doesnt work yet |
| 00:16.45 | themill | codepython777: that doesn't really answer my question about rc.local |
| 00:16.51 | AndChat|624225 | wols, how do I boot from the iso? Insmod? |
| 00:17.28 | codepython777 | themill: How else can i run something at startup and shutdown? |
| 00:17.53 | codepython777 | themill: I want to do it using systemd - not using systemvinit scripts. |
| 00:18.59 | codepython777 | themill: not sure why the one that i have is not working |
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| 00:22.23 | besticle | hey quick question, I was using firestarter to check my connection and noticed after closing all my browsers that I still had a few unknown connections... is there any way to find out what they are and is there a command that stops all connections (maybe I left a torrent running in the background or irssi... dunno, basically a command that closes all net connection) |
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| 00:26.32 | Artemis3 | ifdown eth0? :) |
| 00:26.47 | AndChat|624225 | wols: hmm |
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| 00:29.46 | wols | besticle: to check what uses your network: netstat -anp as root |
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| 00:32.01 | besticle | what does ifdown eth0 do? I get eth0 not configured |
| 00:32.41 | AndChat|624225 | "Failed to find an installer ISO image" |
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| 00:33.44 | Artemis3 | besticle, well your nic could be another one :) |
| 00:34.33 | ZitZ | what is the key combination to unlock gnuscreen? |
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| 00:36.06 | besticle | how do I check my NIC |
| 00:36.07 | besticle | lol |
| 00:36.23 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:36.46 | wols | AndChat|624225: why can't you use debootstrap or cdebootstrap? |
| 00:37.19 | besticle | eth0 ... |
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| 00:38.13 | besticle | wait doesnt firestarter use IPtables? |
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| 00:40.43 | wols | AndChat|624225: and the typical way to boot isos in grub1 is http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/MEMDISK |
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| 00:42.38 | gmnk | Networking question: I created a bridge and attached wlan0 to it using the method here: http://superuser.com/questions/616437/how-to-set-up-a-network-bridge-on-a-laptop-for-lxc-use -- then I tried to "undo" my actions by removing all interfaces from the bridge and deleting the bridge. Now my wlan0 (formerly attached to the now-deleted bridge) won't stay connected to an AP. It authenticates and then immediately kills the connection and |
| 00:42.56 | gmnk | "deauthenticating from <macaddr> by local choice (reason=3) |
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| 00:43.41 | wols | and a reboot didn't fix it? |
| 00:46.27 | AndChat|624225 | wols: I'm writing this on my tablet. As it is now, I can't get any other software into the eeepc that I'm working on. No flash media. No wifi (on the eeepc). No cdrom. |
| 00:47.36 | AndChat|624225 | I'm really trying to boot into either OpenBSD (which I do have installed) or the Debian installer (so I can install debian). |
| 00:48.21 | AndChat|624225 | I can't seem to do either one. I may have to purchase a Debian USB stick and install it that way. |
| 00:48.30 | wols | !rube goldberg install |
| 00:48.31 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
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| 00:49.01 | AndChat|624225 | definitely a Rube Goldberg install at this point lol |
| 00:49.25 | besticle | oooh one more question... what is the best linux terminal media player? I want to try and use terminal only software |
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| 00:59.43 | AndChat|624225 | Welp, thanks anyway. |
| 00:59.52 | AndChat|624225 | goes off to Amazon. |
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| 01:06.36 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a way to search all my installed programs for a word in the description of the program with dpkg? I tried "dpkg -S games", but the output was a mess. |
| 01:07.57 | Lady_Aleena | When I did "dpkg -l", I got a nice columnized list. When I did "dpkg -S game", I got a jumble. |
| 01:08.06 | wols | Lady_Aleena: dpkg -l shows descriptions too |
| 01:08.38 | Lady_Aleena | Can I combine -l with -S? |
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| 01:09.26 | wols | makes no sense |
| 01:09.27 | Lady_Aleena | I just tried it, and nope. |
| 01:09.51 | Lady_Aleena | "dpkg: error: conflicting actions -S (--search) and -l (--list)" |
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| 01:10.46 | Lady_Aleena | It looks like dpkg -S is always going to be messy and not as pretty as dpkg -l. |
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| 01:12.03 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: you could pipe the output of dpkg -S to sort: "dpkg -S foo | sort" |
| 01:12.13 | Lady_Aleena | What I want is a list of all the programs I have installed with the word "game" in the description. |
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| 01:14.43 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: dpkg -S game | awk -F ":" '{print $1}'|sort|uniq |
| 01:16.37 | Lady_Aleena | Thanks. |
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| 01:19.38 | Lady_Aleena | I'm hoping "sudo apt-get purge kdegames" gets rid of all of the programs which came with it. Why have it installed if it keeps crashing? |
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| 01:21.42 | AndChat|624225 | And thus it was that "AndChat|624225" bought Debian. |
| 01:21.46 | Lady_Aleena | Am I using apt-get correctly to obliterate the program(s)? |
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| 01:24.58 | naptastic | What's the current status of MATE and/or Cinnamon on Debian? (Or, where could I check that?) |
| 01:25.21 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: "apt-get remove" removes the package, "apt-get purge" remove the package and its configuration files as well |
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| 01:26.04 | jmcnaught | naptastic: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages not a bad place to start |
| 01:26.25 | naptastic | jmcnaught, thanks :) Looking now. |
| 01:29.12 | jmcnaught | Lady_Aleena: also i think kdegames is a metapackage that depends on the individual packages for the kde games. after you remove kdegames, you might need to run "apt-get autoremove" to get rid of the dependencies |
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| 01:30.56 | Lady_Aleena | jmcnaught, thank you, I don't want programs which depend on kdegames to stick around. I am going through the list of all the programs I have installed to see which ones I want to keep. I think I need to start a list of those I am pondering uninstalling. |
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| 01:32.47 | wa5qjh | I have posted some lines from /etc/network/interfaces over on #flood . I need to change the dhcp setup to do a static IP instead. but I have few clues as to how to change that. |
| 01:33.19 | dvs | wa5qjh: paste.debian.org would be better |
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| 01:33.56 | newbage | hi, is there a difference between "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree intel-microcode" and "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree" ??? |
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| 01:35.12 | wa5qjh | dvs. at the moment that's not an option, unfortunatly. |
| 01:35.28 | wa5qjh | and it's a whole 'nother bucket of worms |
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| 01:36.22 | wa5qjh | I'm having to have my dns done by /etc/hosts at the moment. |
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| 01:36.46 | newbage | can anyone comment? |
| 01:36.54 | newbage | anyone, anyone? |
| 01:36.59 | newbage | Bueller... |
| 01:37.14 | naptastic | newbage, the first one installs intel-microcode, and the second one doesn't? |
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| 01:37.32 | newbage | is that a guess or actually accurate? |
| 01:37.36 | wa5qjh | dvs, how about pastebin.com |
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| 01:38.57 | wa5qjh | dvs, http://pastebin.com/ZqDcMUDK |
| 01:38.59 | dvs | !pastebin.com |
| 01:38.59 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 01:39.24 | wa5qjh | dvs, you 1/10 second too late |
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| 01:39.44 | wa5qjh | I tried |
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| 01:39.56 | wa5qjh | caopuldnt load it |
| 01:40.05 | wa5qjh | couldnt load it. |
| 01:40.22 | wa5qjh | how about #flood ? |
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| 01:40.39 | dvs | wa5qjh: change the word "dhcp" to "static and uncomment the lines |
| 01:40.54 | dvs | and delete line 5 |
| 01:41.46 | wa5qjh | wqait a minute. just came up!! |
| 01:42.43 | wa5qjh | http://paste.debian.net/101976/ |
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| 01:43.06 | wa5qjh | That's all ?? |
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| 01:44.35 | wa5qjh | I need the nameservers or I cant seem to find anything. |
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| 01:45.34 | wa5qjh | but I'll leave it commented for now. |
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| 01:46.09 | LinuxGuy2020 | I have a home server repository set up and I was wondering if there are any tools available to sort through the Packages file that was extracted from Packages.gz. I need to remove all entries for contrib and non-free because I have all new versions to replace them with. I know how to add them in, but Im not sure about removing other than by hand in a text editor. |
| 01:46.33 | wa5qjh | dvs, why delete it? |
| 01:47.30 | wa5qjh | rebooting that thing now. |
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| 01:52.01 | wa5qjh | dvs, it's gone now. ever came back |
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| 01:52.28 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2020: if you've done the versioning correctly, shuldn't matter |
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| 01:55.59 | Lady_Aleena | Before I binge on purging programs, I'd like advice on should I get rid of them. I'd like to get rid of kdegames because it crashes, and vlc because it freezes when I play videos. alsamixergui, emacs23, gimp, jovie, juk, kate, kwrite, and vim because I never use them. Are there any on that list which I should keep because it will hurt my use of Debian? |
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| 01:57.29 | qman__ | Lady_Aleena: make sure you still have an editor installed, as it looks like you're removing a lot of them |
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| 01:57.54 | dvs | wa5qjh: Delete what? I said delete line 5, the empty line |
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| 01:58.09 | abrotman | a text-mode editor .. vi/emacs/joe/sex/nano |
| 01:58.17 | Lady_Aleena | qman__, I have Notepad++ (a Windows program granted, but none of the Linux editors are as good). |
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| 01:58.53 | Lady_Aleena | And I am keeping nano for quickie edits. |
| 01:58.59 | qman__ | Lady_Aleena: I wholeheartedly disagree, but you do still need a text mode editor |
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| 01:59.08 | qman__ | nano is sufficient |
| 01:59.09 | abrotman | qman__: nano .. |
| 01:59.24 | abrotman | wouldn't call nano sufficient .. |
| 01:59.57 | wa5qjh | oh, the empty one |
| 02:00.33 | dvs | I can only see the pastebin, remember. |
| 02:00.53 | qman__ | all that said, removing software for its own sake is generally risky and ill-advised |
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| 02:01.04 | wa5qjh | dvs, I've got to wait for the thing to come back up again. I was talkin to it via ssh, now have to hook up display, keyboard, & mouse. |
| 02:01.07 | qman__ | if it's not actively causing you a problem, leaving it alone is the safest option |
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| 02:03.00 | Lady_Aleena | abrotman, why isn't nano sufficient? |
| 02:03.05 | wa5qjh | ah, I hadalready cloesd it up/deleted the empty line :) |
| 02:03.18 | codepython777 | anyone knows how i can get journaling working with systemd on debian wheezy? I'm currently starting it using init=..systemd |
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| 02:07.11 | Lady_Aleena | brb...going to start dinner finally. |
| 02:10.18 | dvs | hacks dinner |
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| 02:17.41 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: personal preference .. you're fine |
| 02:17.56 | dvs | !start an editor war |
| 02:17.56 | dpkg | ae bites. |
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| 02:18.00 | dvs | ??? |
| 02:18.23 | wa5qjh | im here |
| 02:19.10 | Lady_Aleena | abrotman, thanks. |
| 02:19.18 | wa5qjh | even after changiing back to dhcp and re-commenting those lines. wlan0 wount come back to me. |
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| 02:19.43 | newbage1 | hi |
| 02:20.05 | Lady_Aleena | qman__, the problem is I have so much floating around my hard drive which is going unused which annoys me. |
| 02:20.33 | abrotman | dvs: why is that confusingA? |
| 02:20.48 | dvs | never heard of ae before |
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| 02:20.53 | abrotman | judd: info ae |
| 02:20.55 | judd | No package named 'ae' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 02:20.58 | abrotman | dvs: I think long ermoved |
| 02:21.00 | abrotman | removed |
| 02:21.13 | dvs | looks for xedit |
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| 02:25.01 | Lady_Aleena | Regarding text editors, I did give a lot of Linux editors an honest try. Vim, Kate, Geany, Gedit, Emacs, Scite, nor KWrite had all the features I have come to expect in a text editor. |
| 02:25.34 | themill | (You keep saying that without actually saying what you want, and we've all given up caring) |
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| 02:26.38 | themill | Arahael: libdvdread_4.2.1-2~bpo70+1_amd64.changes uploaded successfully to ftp-master.debian.org ← should make it through buildds and into the achive over the next day or two. |
| 02:27.08 | Lady_Aleena | themill, I want Notepad++ for Linux so I don't have to use Wine. However, the author of the program refuses. :( |
| 02:27.26 | themill | and that's why people have given up helping you |
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| 02:28.26 | newbage | I'll use wine… would anyone like to help me set up Debian on my MacBook Pro? |
| 02:28.30 | Lady_Aleena | Well, dinner is getting near done. |
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| 02:30.51 | newbage | can anyone help me install debian on a macbook pro 8.2 ? |
| 02:31.09 | newbage | I've done a lot already myself |
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| 02:31.35 | newbage | this is the guide I'm trying to use: http://dentifrice.poivron.org/laptops/macbookpro8,2/ |
| 02:31.49 | newbage | it's a little hard for me to follow though and I just need help |
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| 02:33.16 | jmcnaught | newbage: i bet there's a local linux user's group in your area that has regular meetings that you could bring your laptop to for in-person help |
| 02:33.45 | newbage | jmcnaught: where would I find such a group? |
| 02:34.06 | jmcnaught | newbage: search for your city's name + linux |
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| 02:39.46 | AndChat|624225 | What's difficult about setting up Linux on a MacBook? |
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| 02:40.54 | jmcnaught | AndChat|624225: the ghost of Jobs in the machine |
| 02:41.05 | dvs | no kidding! |
| 02:41.08 | AndChat|624225 | lol |
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| 02:42.33 | nf7 | Hi, what's the best way to make all users home folders on a headless Debian install private? So that no other user can access them in any way |
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| 02:43.25 | nodata | how make .rar of all files include all sub directories at root in var/www ? |
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| 02:45.48 | PryMar56 | nodata, cd /var/www; tar cpzf ~/mywebroot.tar.gz ./ |
| 02:45.53 | Artemis3 | rar is evil |
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| 02:54.21 | jmcnaught | nf7: i think you can set the umask for new user's directories in /etc/login.defs |
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| 02:56.11 | nf7 | jmcnaught: I just set each user's home directory to 700 permissions, that seemed to do the trick. Is the other way better? |
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| 02:56.55 | jmcnaught | nf7: well that's definitely what needed to be done for existing users. for future users check out /etc/login.defs |
| 02:56.58 | dvs | nf7: If you create new users, you'll have to set them manually too |
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| 02:57.02 | themill | nf7: 750 might be better if you want users to be able to share files with each other using group membership (/msg dpkg upg). You probably need to set umask still. |
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| 03:02.25 | jimmt | seems like my old debian server is making beeping noises but I can't figure out why |
| 03:02.30 | jimmt | no message is showing up when it happens |
| 03:02.33 | jimmt | is there a log I should look at |
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| 03:11.12 | nf7 | .exit |
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| 03:12.30 | themill | jimmt: dmesg / kern.log / messages -- look at the process list to make sure someone doesn't have "while :; do aplay beep.wav; done" running. And check the temperature of various bits too |
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| 03:14.42 | jimmt | Thermal 0: active, 71.0 degrees C |
| 03:14.59 | jimmt | and I saw in acpi -V: |
| 03:14.59 | jimmt | Thermal 0: trip point 2 switches to mode active at temperature 70.0 degrees C |
| 03:15.06 | jimmt | so maybe it was going in and out of that |
| 03:15.43 | themill | I've certainly come across machines that went beep in the night because they were too hot |
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| 03:25.10 | justanotheruser | Hello, Youtube videos don't load for me even though I have flash installed in chromium. Also a bunch of pages get stalled and I have to kill them. Any advice? |
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| 03:25.55 | bn5y243tgn | was the last eurovision won by man or woman? |
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| 03:32.05 | Gar | Hello all. Sorry, but is the software under the synaptic manager usually more "up-to-date" than under Ubuntu's Software Center? |
| 03:32.29 | Gar | (Comparing Stable Releases) |
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| 03:35.00 | zykotick9 | Gar: debian stable is "stable". ubuntu is based on testing/sid, thus typically has newer packages... |
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| 03:36.25 | sandman13 | Ubuntu never works for me, always crashes that is the reason why i use Debian |
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| 03:37.11 | Gar | zykotick9: Thanks for your fast answer. Unfortunately Ubuntu's SC lists some software which is 2 years behind the last stable relase. Was hoping that Debian's packages (7.5) were a bit more ahead... |
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| 03:37.55 | zykotick9 | Gar: i think you'll find the opposite. if you suffer from <sns> perhaps one of the rolling releases is more your speed... |
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| 03:38.25 | sandman13 | Gar: backports are there in Debian 7 |
| 03:39.14 | sandman13 | though it is not advised but you can switch to Testing or Sid if you want newer packages |
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| 03:41.53 | Gar | Right, but Kernel wise everything is fine. I just wanted to install software (VLC, OmegaT, CherryTree, etc.) and be able o use the Software Updater or "apt-get" to get the last stable releases of those softwares, without having to check it manually (sure, under ubuntu ppa could be a solution though). |
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| 03:44.01 | sandman13 | AFAIK VLC is in backports don't know about others |
| 03:44.19 | zykotick9 | Gar: note, debian's definition of "stable" means unchanging... what a package developer(s) release as there stable version, is NOT the same thing/unrelated... |
| 03:45.09 | zykotick9 | s/package developer/program devloper/ |
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| 03:51.39 | guru_medication | Is bttracker.debian.org broken? I'm unable to find the additional DVD ISO's of Squeeze on google. debian mirrors, etc |
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| 03:54.38 | guru_medication | maybe someone knows of a mirror that doesn't clean up retired ISOs ? |
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| 03:59.09 | Gar | zykotick9: Thanks for your help and patience |
| 03:59.57 | themill | dpkg: tell guru_medication about squeeze iso |
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| 04:05.19 | codepython777 | is anyone running systemd on wheezy here? |
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| 04:06.57 | themill | codepython777: the one from wheezy or from wheezy-backports |
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| 04:11.38 | guru_medication | themill: I'm looking for 9c5e9674bf343c66d3c1605112ed347c debian-6.0.9-kfreebsd-amd64-DVD-3.iso |
| 04:12.04 | themill | guru_medication: that image was probably never available for upload |
| 04:12.11 | themill | s/up/down/ |
| 04:12.40 | Extensa5630G | I already sat my thumb drive with YUMI so that it contains multiple OS's to-install copied with syslinux, now i wonder how to add another partition to that thumb drive so that i can for example add another independant OS to it using another live cd creator piece of software. |
| 04:12.50 | Extensa5630G | given that YUMI doesn't support Pfsense distro, tha i can add it using another livecd creator |
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| 04:13.14 | themill | guru_medication: there's not really any need for anything beyond the first image (and why do you want the old release anyway? now is not the time to be making new installations of squeeze) |
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| 04:19.07 | guru_medication | themill: I'm installing on older hardware.. Man this sucks. |
| 04:19.33 | codepython777 | themill: just got it using apt-get -- seems to work well till now |
| 04:19.49 | themill | guru_medication: I don't think that has anything to do with wanting squeeze or with needing DVD3. |
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| 04:22.38 | guru_medication | Linux/distros/internet is like , in 3 years, you'll still be stuck with the same problems you had 3 years earlier, all by design |
| 04:22.46 | themill | codepython777: you'll probably find that enough things have changed between the two versions that you want the newer one. |
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| 04:26.40 | temhaa | hi, I have this problem: http://lists.adiscon.net/pipermail/rsyslog/2012-March/029635.html but I'm using debian wheezy and rsyslog 5.8.11 |
| 04:26.49 | temhaa | please can you help me |
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| 04:43.54 | newbage1 | is there anyone very skilled witl debian custom installs? |
| 04:44.00 | newbage1 | with* |
| 04:44.49 | OpenTokix | newbage1: custom installs? Like preseed? |
| 04:44.50 | somiaj | still not getting it to boot with correct kernel options on your macbook? |
| 04:45.00 | newbage1 | precisely |
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| 04:45.28 | newbage1 | I learn so much when someone tells me what to do… when I see it done correctly |
| 04:45.38 | newbage1 | but I learn nothing when I try incorrectly a million times |
| 04:46.05 | newbage1 | the resources make it seem so simple but I can't make it work |
| 04:46.39 | newbage1 | and I can fly through the stuff I've already been shown… it makes perfect sense after I see how it's supposed to look... |
| 04:46.50 | newbage1 | … I'm just new |
| 04:46.54 | newbage1 | *sigh* |
| 04:48.50 | newbage1 | somiaj: care to try again? |
| 04:48.59 | newbage1 | somiaj: otherwise, I'm about to go to bed |
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| 04:50.46 | somiaj | newbage1: I would have to have the machine in front of me, and start playing with things. |
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| 04:51.27 | somiaj | newbage1: it is most likely something simple that you overlooked or didn't configure correctly, but I couldn't start to think what it is |
| 04:51.40 | newbage1 | somiaj: do you have skype/jitsi ? |
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| 04:52.13 | newbage1 | it's supposed to be an easy install … I just need to figure out what the magic combo is... |
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| 04:53.22 | somiaj | newbage1: skype you need to have i386 multiarch enabled |
| 04:53.26 | somiaj | haven't done jitsi |
| 04:53.36 | somiaj | but you have your machine working and just need to isntall skype now? |
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| 04:54.32 | newbage1 | somiaj: no… I was going to put a cam in front of it and let you type stuff to me |
| 04:54.52 | newbage1 | I know it has to be easy… I've just never done this before |
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| 04:55.04 | newbage1 | there's a million resources out there but none are step by step |
| 04:55.15 | somiaj | I don't have time for that, but I don't have experience with mac hardware, I would just be blinding working though stuff mentioned on the wiki |
| 04:55.20 | somiaj | and using google until I got it to work |
| 04:55.44 | newbage1 | that's what I'm trying |
| 04:55.50 | newbage1 | minus the experience... |
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| 05:01.49 | newbage1 | somiaj: can you recommend anywhere better than #debian ? |
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| 06:12.13 | madist | if I'm installing debian xfce from a liveCD, does it make any difference if I boot debian-live-standard vs debian-live-xfce-desktop ? |
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| 06:13.39 | Rubin | mad_hatter, nope |
| 06:13.50 | Rubin | mad_hatter, its all just choice of packages installed |
| 06:14.00 | Rubin | and they are not even exclusive |
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| 06:17.16 | madist | great. thanks! |
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| 06:52.17 | republican_devil | fight over what? |
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| 06:58.22 | jelly-home | rubin110: his acount is from 2003, yours is from 2008. He wins. |
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| 08:18.02 | tuorwork | hi, is it possible, to execute a script, when a log is incomming from the network? i can write the log in a file. but i need to execute e little script every time... |
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| 08:19.42 | colo-work | tuorwork, both rsyslog and syslog-ng can execute a program if a recevied syslog message matches a pattern/regex |
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| 08:20.03 | colo-work | you could also ude inotify to listen for change-events on the logfile inode |
| 08:20.10 | colo-work | if you don't want to scrap your existing setup |
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| 08:22.54 | tuorwork | colo-work: ok nice. so if i do it in the rsyslog, then i need to make an action who run the script. that's the right way? |
| 08:23.03 | colo-work | yes. |
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| 08:31.16 | shomon_ | hi, I have just plugged in an external vga monitor, and when I go to applications->system->monitor it just gives me 3 options |
| 08:31.26 | shomon_ | same in both monitors, turn off one or turn off the other |
| 08:31.35 | shomon_ | how do I get both, but one with display to the left or right? |
| 08:31.50 | shomon_ | they are literally 3 buttons, instead of the usual picture of monitors you can drag and drop |
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| 08:32.14 | shomon_ | it's lxrandr.. is there another app? |
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| 08:49.41 | Iridos | shomon_, it doesn't detect both monitors then... and the usual text-client frontend is xrandr |
| 08:49.45 | Iridos | dpkg, xrandr |
| 08:49.45 | dpkg | i guess xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 08:49.53 | Iridos | dpkg, randr |
| 08:49.54 | dpkg | The X Resize, Rotate and Reflect Extension (RandR) allows the server to inform clients of desktop size (etc) changes, so they can update themselves. http://x.org/wiki/Projects/XRandR . Ask me about <xrandr>. |
| 08:51.15 | Iridos | shomon_, xrandr should show two screens... and might be more useful in its output than a graphical tool... but all of them are just front-ends, the real work is done by the randr extension in the X server |
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| 09:00.12 | shomon_ | Iridos, thanks, I had looked at xrandr info and that xstrikeforce link, but I can't really figure it out |
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| 09:00.37 | shomon_ | ah well thanks anyway |
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| 09:01.30 | SynrG | oops, too late ... |
| 09:01.32 | SynrG | arandr |
| 09:01.48 | SynrG | Iridos: ^^ for next time. for people who like the pointy clicky stuff. nicer than lxrandr :) |
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| 09:02.35 | Iridos | SynrG, well, actually I was to ask him to pastebin the output of xrandr... |
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| 09:02.45 | SynrG | ya |
| 09:02.46 | Iridos | but only after seeing that he's alive :) |
| 09:02.52 | SynrG | but lxrandr's weakness is too few options |
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| 09:03.14 | SynrG | so i prefer arandr with lxde |
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| 09:03.42 | Iridos | I prefer people putting xrandr output to a pastebin for me to look at :) |
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| 09:04.08 | Iridos | it's so hard to pastebin what a graphical interface shows |
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| 09:04.34 | wols_ | Iridos: dead easy with imgur |
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| 09:05.15 | Iridos | hooray, funny videos and a kickban |
| 09:05.27 | Iridos | (I considered writing that before it happened ^^) |
| 09:05.47 | SynrG | :) |
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| 09:06.55 | Iridos | wols_, sounds like fun... |
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| 09:16.01 | reindeernix | Hello folks, does anyone know what is causing Debian to think that when I type p on my laptop keyboard that it should write *? It has done that for a week now I think but I am not sure since I have been using a USB keyboard with it for a while now |
| 09:16.27 | mjt | does the same happens in, say, grub prompt? |
| 09:16.37 | reindeernix | This happens on Debian Jessie and not Debian Wheezy |
| 09:16.51 | mjt | aha. |
| 09:17.02 | reindeernix | Debian Wheezy writes a p when I press p |
| 09:17.05 | mjt | asking because it might be either hw problem or sw problem |
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| 09:17.59 | woshty | numlock? |
| 09:18.13 | mjt | (and no, I for one don't know what might cause this in sw) |
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| 09:19.01 | reindeernix | My laptop doesn't have a numlock button though, I thought this could be the problem too, maybe it has one but it doesn't state it anywhere |
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| 09:19.07 | flukiluke | Sounds like a keymap issue. |
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| 09:19.57 | Iridos | so which of the two... debian jessie or debian wheezy is your grub prompt? |
| 09:20.03 | Iridos | ^^ |
| 09:20.37 | reindeernix | I installed Debian Wheezy afterwards to test if it was a hardware bug, so currently it is Wheezy |
| 09:21.13 | woshty | reindeernix: I just took a look at a thinkpad here, * is on p with numlock enabled on that |
| 09:22.10 | reindeernix | woshty, I can try taking a look at the manual and check if it has some hidden numlock function, maybe it is activated in BIOS or something |
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| 09:23.01 | Iridos | you can also run "xev" and see what that says was pressed and what modifiers were on |
| 09:23.03 | woshty | reindeernix: maybe switch to a text console and run setleds, check for differences between the two |
| 09:23.35 | joelmo | What can I do about a half installed package? Got output here, its one package I cant remove or install using apt-get https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/8DmEgOkA |
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| 09:25.37 | Iridos | joelmo, did you try what it suggests? |
| 09:25.38 | wols_ | joelmo: you use dpkg |
| 09:26.02 | reindeernix | Somehow I think my USB keyboard has activated numlock for the laptop but I can't turn it off with my USB keyboard |
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| 09:26.24 | reindeernix | The laptop doesn't feature a numlock button |
| 09:26.44 | _boot | not even with fn? |
| 09:26.45 | woshty | reindeernix: what is the make and model? |
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| 09:27.24 | reindeernix | woshty, It is an ASUS s301LA |
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| 09:28.33 | reindeernix | The keyboard on my laptop doesn't say numlk or numlock anywhere |
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| 09:29.25 | woshty | reindeernix: fat arrow down somewhere? |
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| 09:29.35 | woshty | reindeernix: with fn maybe? |
| 09:29.59 | Iridos | judd, versions libqtwebkit4:amd64 |
| 09:30.00 | judd | No package named 'libqtwebkit4:amd64' was found in i386. |
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| 09:30.06 | Iridos | judd, versions libqtwebkit4 |
| 09:30.07 | judd | Package: libqtwebkit4 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.2.1-5; jessie: 2.2.1-7; sid: 2.2.1-7 |
| 09:30.16 | Iridos | judd, versions libqtwebkit4 --architecture=amd64 |
| 09:30.17 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 09:30.26 | Iridos | judd, versions libqtwebkit4 --arch amd64 |
| 09:30.27 | judd | Package: libqtwebkit4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.1-5; jessie: 2.2.1-7; sid: 2.2.1-7 |
| 09:30.40 | boodie | Hi (Wheezy): I am looking for a package called AnyMeal (a MySQL based recipe database), it seems to exist, but I am not sure if it is supported in the stable distro ... how can I check it? The page https://packages.debian.org/stable/ does not seem to be very user friendly ... |
| 09:31.02 | reindeernix | woshty, I think I know where I can turn it off, XFCE's keyboard settings aren't that great so I can't turn it off from there though |
| 09:31.16 | Iridos | joelmo, try what it suggests, although that isn't so likely to help ... apt-get install libqtwebkit4:amd64 --reinstall ... after that didn't work see what dpkg --configure libqtwebkit4:amd64 tells you |
| 09:31.41 | wols_ | boodie: https://packages.debian.org is very userfriendly and searches more than just stable |
| 09:31.46 | reindeernix | Wait, restore numlock state on startup was enabled |
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| 09:32.19 | joelmo | I used some dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq thank you Iridos |
| 09:32.20 | wols_ | boodie: so is snapshot.debian.net. but I doubt there is such a package in any debian |
| 09:32.46 | woshty | reindeernix: numlockx status is another option to find out whether it is set, and numlockx off to switch it off - you might have to install a package named numlockx |
| 09:32.51 | wols_ | boodie: guess I was wrong. sdn has it, but its package name is "anymeal" |
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| 09:33.17 | reindeernix | Well that worked, thanks for the help everyone |
| 09:33.38 | reindeernix | Now I can use my laptop for the exams luckily |
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| 09:39.57 | boodie | wols_: I found it in snapshot.debian.net, not in https://packages.debian.org ... if I try apt-cache search anymeal, nothing comes up |
| 09:41.30 | boodie | wols_: furthermore, from snapshot.debian.net, I can't see whether it is for stable, testing, etc. |
| 09:42.42 | Iridos | boodie, Some results have not been displayed due to the search parameters |
| 09:42.52 | Iridos | boodie, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=anymeal |
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| 09:44.25 | Iridos | boodie, and... looks like it has been in debian but has been removed and all that's left over is in debports |
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| 09:45.09 | Iridos | boodie, the newest source package in snapshots is from august 2010... |
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| 09:46.10 | Iridos | boodie, at that time, squeeze was testing... but apparently then it was removed when squeeze became stable |
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| 09:46.23 | Iridos | great... he's probably been gone since I started answering him |
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| 09:59.30 | moty66 | how can I hexdump the output of netcat without saving it in a file, nc -l 1234 | hexdump dow not work |
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| 10:03.27 | moty66 | nc -l -p 1234 | hexdump -C is working |
| 10:03.34 | moty66 | but adding -k to nc will not |
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| 10:06.59 | buu | What option is -k ? |
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| 10:10.02 | moty66 | buu: Forces nc to stay listening for another connection |
| 10:10.20 | moty66 | buu: after the previous connetion is completed |
| 10:10.28 | buu | Huh. Mine doesn't have that option |
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| 10:10.45 | moty66 | buu: Ncat: Version 6.40 ( http://nmap.org/ncat ) |
| 10:11.05 | buu | moty66: Couldn't you use -o file to a named pipe? |
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| 10:11.19 | moty66 | buu: don't know how to do that |
| 10:11.22 | themill | there are two different netcats |
| 10:12.22 | buu | moty66: Well, why can't you use an actual file? |
| 10:12.44 | moty66 | i wanted to do that in realtime |
| 10:12.56 | buu | so tail the file? |
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| 10:13.32 | moty66 | nc -lk -p 1234 -o myfile && tail -f myfile |
| 10:13.39 | moty66 | u mean this? |
| 10:13.53 | buu | sure? |
| 10:14.09 | buu | although you probably want & instead of && |
| 10:14.14 | moty66 | sure :) |
| 10:14.19 | moty66 | thanks for the hint |
| 10:14.24 | moty66 | i will like this |
| 10:14.41 | moty66 | i will do like you said |
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| 10:15.13 | buu | =] |
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| 11:05.06 | dert | Is is normal that when I try to fix my partition (126GiB) with fsck it crashes due it uses it uses all my memory (5.7GiB) |
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| 11:05.50 | wols_ | dert: is that partition mounted while you try to do it? |
| 11:06.00 | dert | No |
| 11:06.37 | wols_ | is this a data partition or /? what filesystem is it? |
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| 11:07.12 | dert | wols_: /dev/sda3 and ext4 |
| 11:07.21 | frostschutz | fsck can be a memory hog, even for ext4... of course, it might also be a bug, you never know |
| 11:07.32 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:07.48 | wols_ | where is sda3 mounted normally? |
| 11:08.00 | dert | It's home partition |
| 11:08.49 | wols_ | and you run in single user mode? root only in a commandline? |
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| 11:09.41 | dert | wols_: nope. should I? |
| 11:09.59 | wols_ | yes. as root, do a "touch /home/forcefsck" and reboot |
| 11:10.31 | wols_ | and increase your swap |
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| 11:13.44 | dert | Well. i'll test if I can get my installation to boot |
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| 11:44.39 | lsme | netinst hangs at 1% at "Select and install software". It says "Please wait...". Is this a known issue? |
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| 11:46.48 | newbage | can anyone tell me precisely how to get to the kernel command line? |
| 11:47.10 | peetaur2 | newbage: when booting, hit e to edit the boot entry, then the one starting with "linux" is the kernel command line |
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| 11:48.13 | newbage | if my custom boot requires edits to this line, do I add them to this line only? |
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| 11:49.18 | newbage | in other words, what if the edits required don't all fit on that line? |
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| 11:52.58 | SynrG | lsme: switch to log console and see if any error messages |
| 11:53.17 | jelly | newbage: keep typing, grub may look as if the line wrapped but that's just the display |
| 11:53.21 | lsme | SynrG: Allright, which tty is that? 7? |
| 11:53.41 | SynrG | i always forget and just flip through them until i find it :) |
| 11:53.48 | SynrG | the boot menu tells you when you start, i believ |
| 11:53.49 | SynrG | believe* |
| 11:53.57 | SynrG | alt-f3? f4? |
| 11:54.07 | jelly | 3 or 4 sounds familiar |
| 11:54.19 | SynrG | jelly: you're a big help |
| 11:54.24 | jelly | serves me right for never reinstalling |
| 11:54.29 | jelly | blames Debian |
| 11:54.30 | SynrG | hehe. me too |
| 11:55.43 | SynrG | newbage: "fit"? not sure what that means |
| 11:55.43 | newbage | also, where is /boot located? |
| 11:55.56 | newbage | I can't cd to it |
| 11:55.58 | SynrG | i'm not aware of any limit |
| 11:56.19 | SynrG | newbage: which debian release is this? and what do you mean by "custom"? |
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| 11:56.55 | newbage | it's the latest debian install on a macbook pro 8.2 |
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| 11:57.05 | SynrG | ahh. mac ... |
| 11:57.14 | SynrG | may require some mac-specific juju |
| 11:57.16 | newbage | I've already installed nonfree and b43 drivers for the wireless care |
| 11:57.31 | SynrG | refit or refind or whatever ... |
| 11:57.34 | newbage | now I'm just trying to figure out the boot |
| 11:57.46 | babilen | SynrG: newbage has been battling with mac specific juju for a while now :) |
| 11:57.48 | SynrG | (refind is refit's successor) |
| 11:58.05 | SynrG | i've done this exactly *once* |
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| 11:58.12 | SynrG | i didn't notice if there was or was not a /boot |
| 11:58.46 | SynrG | the resulting system was dual-booted mac os/x and ubuntu 14.04 |
| 11:58.48 | newbage | you installed debian 7.5 on a MBP 8.2? |
| 11:58.53 | SynrG | so, not even once with debian :) |
| 11:58.58 | SynrG | no, not MBP 8.2 |
| 11:59.13 | SynrG | just, debian deriv (ubuntu) on Mac hardware (older Mac Air) |
| 12:00.03 | newbage | well, you're probably the closest I've found to someone who's seen this somewhere other than a helpfile |
| 12:00.04 | SynrG | plus, the system isn't mine, so i was only acting as a liason to help sort out our issues with the #ubuntu community |
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| 12:00.16 | newbage | ahhhh |
| 12:00.23 | SynrG | and sadly this means i don't have the system here to poke at :p |
| 12:00.46 | newbage | synrg: can you help me interpret this better: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook#Booting_directly_from_GRUB |
| 12:00.48 | SynrG | the refind part is not OS-specific, however. |
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| 12:01.10 | SynrG | and seemed the path of least resistance to us, since we wanted to multiboot |
| 12:01.50 | newbage | refind boots better than grub at the moment |
| 12:01.52 | SynrG | right. we didn't exercise that optoin. |
| 12:01.53 | SynrG | option* |
| 12:02.00 | newbage | I see |
| 12:02.07 | SynrG | the "boot directly from grub" one, i mean |
| 12:02.21 | SynrG | plus when we went to the refit site it redirected us to refind ... |
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| 12:02.25 | SynrG | so we used that instead. |
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| 12:02.42 | newbage | I've got refind installed currently but even that is giving me boot issues |
| 12:02.48 | SynrG | actually, we installed 13.10 first ... |
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| 12:02.58 | SynrG | and survived a 14.04 upgrade. |
| 12:03.11 | newbage | is that pretty easy? |
| 12:03.13 | SynrG | she wanted to be on LTS and the older LTS was a flop. |
| 12:03.38 | SynrG | i can't say we didn't have any problems. took us a good hour or two to solve ... |
| 12:03.45 | SynrG | she definitely couldn't have done it without my help |
| 12:04.02 | SynrG | and *i* couldn't have done it without #ubuntu backing me up. :) |
| 12:04.21 | SynrG | anyway, as to how easy/hard this is on debian. no clue. |
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| 12:04.40 | newbage | what if I installed ubuntu and then debian from ubuntu? |
| 12:04.49 | abrotman | newbage: have you tried Ubuntu on your MBP? |
| 12:04.51 | SynrG | i think that's complicating matters. |
| 12:05.00 | newbage | abrotman: no |
| 12:05.02 | abrotman | and not likely to result in a different outcome |
| 12:05.05 | abrotman | newbage: why not? |
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| 12:05.41 | newbage | abrotman: what I've read about the different distros leads me to want to learn on debian |
| 12:05.51 | abrotman | newbage: if you can't install, you can't install ... |
| 12:05.57 | newbage | …I'm typically more computer literate than this |
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| 12:06.30 | Potato_Power | I have a stupid n00b question. Is Debian Server really just a terminal? |
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| 12:07.17 | abrotman | Potato_Power: no such thing as "Debian Server" |
| 12:07.25 | Potato_Power | durr. |
| 12:07.35 | SynrG | newbage: ubuntu is not a horrible choice, if it works. and if you want a "less like the default ubuntu experience, more like debian" then you don't need to go with unity. you could install an alternate desktop and reverse any other default software selections that you find objectionable ... |
| 12:07.36 | abrotman | Potato_Power: you install whatever you would like from Debian. If you do not choose to install Xorg on your server, then that's what you get |
| 12:07.46 | Potato_Power | Is there a way make Debian boot to a terminal? |
| 12:07.53 | abrotman | Potato_Power: yes .. |
| 12:08.02 | Potato_Power | Just stop startx in some config? |
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| 12:08.05 | SynrG | newbage: but i'm with abrotman on this. you'll need to decide which is more valuable to you: getting it to work at all, or getting debian to work. |
| 12:08.05 | abrotman | Potato_Power: All the time? just once? Would you rather remove Xorg? |
| 12:08.35 | Potato_Power | The laptop has a whopping 192mb of ram, and I only want to use it for python/bash scripting |
| 12:08.44 | abrotman | That doesn't answer my questions .. |
| 12:08.57 | Potato_Power | All the time would be spent in a terminal |
| 12:09.06 | Potato_Power | So a desktop wouldn't be needed |
| 12:09.07 | abrotman | Potato_Power: but would you prefer to remove Xorg completely? |
| 12:09.14 | abrotman | doesn't see why answering the questions is hard ... |
| 12:09.32 | Potato_Power | Sure |
| 12:09.33 | newbage | well, I feel that I'm pretty close to getting debian to work |
| 12:09.49 | abrotman | Potato_Power: if you remove libX11, that should probably get rid of most of Xorg and friends |
| 12:09.53 | newbage | just the boot is all I have left |
| 12:10.02 | newbage | according to most resources |
| 12:10.10 | abrotman | Potato_Power: just pay attention to everything it removes, and when you're done, check to see what's left .. you may have a few leftovers |
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| 12:10.33 | Potato_Power | And I cound do that throught sudo apt-get --purge libx11 ? |
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| 12:11.00 | abrotman | that command won't work .. but you're on the right track |
| 12:11.04 | newbage | if the boot changes don't get it to work, then I'd think about using another distro |
| 12:11.18 | newbage | maybe linuxmint debian? |
| 12:11.41 | abrotman | We can't answer that for you .. you'll just have to try it .. We only support Debian here. |
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| 12:11.50 | Potato_Power | apt-get remove libx11 ? |
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| 12:12.06 | Potato_Power | apt-get update |
| 12:12.09 | Potato_Power | apt-get upgrade |
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| 12:16.28 | abrotman | Potato_Power: got it all figured out? |
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| 12:28.06 | N3sh108 | Hey guys, I got a question: how do I run a program once for each file matching the regex? Let's say I want to run the program 'convert' on all image_*.jpg; is there something like "convert image_*.jpg output_*.pdf" ? I want each file to be output with what was matched with *. Do I have to use grep? |
| 12:28.47 | wols_ | N3sh108: xargs |
| 12:28.49 | frostschutz | N3sh108, for f in image_*.jpg ; do something with $f ; done |
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| 12:29.00 | N3sh108 | xargs, wols_? |
| 12:29.14 | N3sh108 | frostchutz: but I wanted it in the shell not a script |
| 12:29.19 | frostschutz | this is shell |
| 12:29.22 | frostschutz | same difference |
| 12:29.36 | N3sh108 | with a script is simple, I just thought something cool to know in the future, instead of having to retype for each file |
| 12:29.55 | N3sh108 | let's say, without for loop :P |
| 12:29.58 | nottobi | N3sh108: or 'find' with -exec |
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| 12:30.23 | N3sh108 | how would that work, nottobi? |
| 12:30.30 | frostschutz | without for? printf "%s\0" iamge_*.jpg | xargs -0 ... |
| 12:30.43 | frostschutz | it's less readable |
| 12:31.13 | N3sh108 | and how do I pass that to the next line? |
| 12:31.35 | frostschutz | there is no next line |
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| 12:32.05 | N3sh108 | mmm |
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| 12:32.13 | N3sh108 | I don't get it, perhaps I didn't explain myself properly |
| 12:33.02 | nottobi | N3sh108: maybe i got it wrong, did you have a look at 'awk' scripts? |
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| 12:33.51 | N3sh108 | convert <input_image(s)> <output_image>; how do I do something like convert image_*.jpg output_*.jpg and * would be anything. I just want to go through each file (one by one) and run convert (or any other program) to it and export the file to pdf (in this case). |
| 12:33.58 | N3sh108 | awk, maybe |
| 12:34.00 | N3sh108 | let me check |
| 12:34.16 | tremon | you need a shell loop |
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| 12:35.10 | N3sh108 | really? mmm Im suprised |
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| 12:39.55 | tremon | no unix program typically reimplements the operations that the base system already provides. In this case, shell globbing and filename mangling. And unix cli programs are mostly written to perform one operation and exit, for the same reason |
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| 12:40.56 | N3sh108 | alright but it seems a bit weird that it doesn't exit an alternative to for loop |
| 12:41.08 | N3sh108 | I checked and perhaps there is something, as suggested, with find and -exec |
| 12:41.45 | N3sh108 | otherwise I would be extremely surprised. You can do rm image_*.jpg and not cp image_*.jpg new_image_*.jpg? |
| 12:41.50 | tremon | that's still a shell loop, just not with the "for n in..." syntax |
| 12:42.23 | N3sh108 | I am asking whether there is an alternative |
| 12:42.23 | tremon | N3sh108: and how would cp know where the image_* list ends, and the new_image destinations start? |
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| 12:42.46 | N3sh108 | because it doesn't match |
| 12:42.59 | N3sh108 | image* matches a different set than new_image* |
| 12:43.07 | wols_ | you can use find as your for loop. but you need to get a way to remove the file extension for it to work so your convert call and process it |
| 12:43.37 | tremon | find and -exec is a good alternative, however you need serious wizardry if you want to derive an output filename from within a find -exec command |
| 12:43.49 | N3sh108 | so, I can't reference only a part of a match? |
| 12:43.57 | N3sh108 | only the whole name, right? |
| 12:44.05 | wols_ | not with find itself |
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| 12:44.25 | N3sh108 | grep? |
| 12:45.06 | Lachezar | Hey all. Does APT and all have special handling for the Linux Kernel packages, or is it some special packaging that allows old, unreferenced kernels to be kept around? |
| 12:45.25 | tremon | yes, and sed, and awk, and perl. But none can be called as a subprocess from a find -exec argument, unless you do -exec sh and start a new subshell for each match |
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| 12:45.42 | N3sh108 | really? mmm |
| 12:45.57 | tremon | at that point, the bash for loop becomes a lot more attractive for many :) |
| 12:46.01 | N3sh108 | yeah sure |
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| 12:46.20 | N3sh108 | but I am surprised that such a simple feature is not directly implemented, too bad. For loop it is |
| 12:46.33 | N3sh108 | I just feel it's an overkill to use a for loop for 3/4 items |
| 12:46.35 | Lachezar | I constantly use find . -type f -iname *.xml -exec grep -Hi 'catalog' {} \; |
| 12:46.49 | N3sh108 | what does that do Lachezar? |
| 12:46.54 | tremon | N3sh108: iirc zsh does have something like that |
| 12:47.06 | wols_ | Lachezar: no special handling. the kernel version is part of the name not the versioning, that's why |
| 12:47.08 | Lachezar | N3sh108: finds all .xml files that have catalog in them. |
| 12:47.22 | tremon | Lachezar: it's an apt configuration option, see /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove |
| 12:47.24 | wols_ | Lachezar: if you upgrade your debian stable kernel, the old one is removed like always with old packages |
| 12:47.45 | Lachezar | wols_: I thought so, but kernel package gets upgraded, the old kernel lingers around (which is GOOD). |
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| 12:48.06 | N3sh108 | Lachezar: I am looking for a way to do something like this -> convert images_*.jpg output_*.pdf / basically taking each images_<name>.jpg and output, one by one, to output_<name>.pdf |
| 12:48.15 | Lachezar | wols_: so I wonder what keeps it, since the meta package no longer depends on the old one. |
| 12:48.36 | wols_ | Lachezar: can you show an example with the dpkg -l output? |
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| 12:49.39 | Iridos | N3sh108, what's so special about not using a for-loop? |
| 12:49.53 | Lachezar | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/feab22d5/ |
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| 12:50.17 | Lachezar | N3sh108: best I can offer is *.jpg to *.jpg.pdf :) |
| 12:50.27 | N3sh108 | Iridos, I just feel it is like creating a for loop to do this:-> rm *.xml . It would work anyway but that's much nicer and quicker to write/remember |
| 12:50.31 | wols_ | Lachezar: this is not debian so we cannot say what crap your distro does |
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| 12:51.00 | N3sh108 | Lachezar: I take what I can get :P. How would you do that? |
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| 12:51.29 | Lachezar | N3sh108: find -type f -name '*.jpg' -exec convert {} {}.pdf \; |
| 12:51.30 | wols_ | Lachezar: and of course you are still wrong as your dpkg output clearly shows. just your distro, which is not debian, has shitty naming |
| 12:51.49 | Iridos | N3sh108, it's not the same because you have lots of different output names and you create them one-by-one in the loop |
| 12:52.01 | N3sh108 | Lachezar, isn't that find -type f -name '*.jpg' -exec convert {} .jpg{}.pdf \; ? |
| 12:52.09 | N3sh108 | ops |
| 12:52.14 | N3sh108 | Lachezar, isn't that find -type f -name '*.jpg' -exec convert {}.jpg {}.pdf \; ? |
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| 12:52.20 | Lachezar | wols_: It's *Ubuntu. Maybe I thought wrong when I assumed, that APT would be same. |
| 12:52.26 | Iridos | N3sh108, anyway, there's nothing wrong with creating a loop for rm *.xml either... |
| 12:52.39 | Lachezar | N3sh108: You need ONE file? |
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| 12:52.42 | sxp | hi |
| 12:53.06 | wols_ | Lachezar: ubuntu names their kernels differently than debian. which is why it acts as it does. and it is different than debian so the debian explanation doesn't apply to you. and you KNOW that you are not supposed to ask ubuntu quesitons here |
| 12:53.15 | N3sh108 | Iridos, never said that's wrong. I am just lazy and trying to find a quick way to do repetitive tasks. rm *.xml is way better (in my opinion) than writing the for loop. more practical |
| 12:53.23 | wols_ | just cause the ubuntu users are clueless doesn't mean you are stuppoesd to ask here. now F* off |
| 12:53.30 | N3sh108 | Lachezar: I need to convert each jpg into its own pdf |
| 12:53.53 | Lachezar | N3sh108: find -type f -name '*.jpg' -exec convert {} {}.pdf \; |
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| 12:54.15 | Lachezar | N3sh108: this converts every whatever.jpg file to whatever.jpg.pdf |
| 12:54.21 | N3sh108 | Lachezar, sure? then the output would be images_<name>.jpg.pdf, right? |
| 12:54.30 | N3sh108 | ohhhh |
| 12:54.32 | N3sh108 | :( |
| 12:54.48 | Iridos | N3sh108, and cp image_*.jpg image_*.pdf just shows you don't understand what the "*" is for and how it's parsed... and writing a for loop isn't much work... you could have writen 50 of it with the text you wrote in this channel |
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| 12:55.03 | Lachezar | N3sh108: the {} is replaced with the full name of the found file. |
| 12:55.04 | themill | (or use prename) |
| 12:55.37 | Lachezar | wols_: so with Debian when I upgrade I get the current version of the kernel removed? |
| 12:55.50 | N3sh108 | Iridos, if my question irritates or bothers you, you can surely do some other activity. I want to learn, let me learn please. |
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| 12:55.53 | Iridos | with the amount of text* |
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| 12:56.16 | themill | Lachezar: the behaviour is dependent on the distribution's configuration. I think you've got your answer. |
| 12:56.26 | Lachezar | wols_: I'm on Debian 7.5 (another machine) and there have been no kernel upgrades for long time, so I can't recall what was the behaviour. |
| 12:56.28 | N3sh108 | Lachezar, yeah, I guessed so. Mmm, then alright. I might use that then. Too bad there isn't a cleaner quick solution (other than for-loop) |
| 12:56.56 | Iridos | N3sh108, I don't think it's really "learning" when you insist that things should work differently from how they actually do :) |
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| 12:57.48 | N3sh108 | Iridos, how would I know how they are without asking? And, as you noticed, there is a way which is not a for loop. If I had settled with the for loop, I would have never learnt that. So, I still consider my search rewarding. |
| 12:57.55 | Lachezar | N3sh108: find -type f -name *.jpg | while read name; do convert $name `basename "$name" .jpg`.pdf; done |
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| 12:58.27 | tremon | Lachezar: that won't work if the filenames have spaces |
| 12:58.29 | N3sh108 | Lachezar, basically a for loop :P Alright, I get it :D. Thanks a lot! |
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| 12:58.42 | Iridos | N3sh108, the find is fine as well, but traverses into subdirectories ... |
| 12:59.02 | Lachezar | tremon: "$name" |
| 12:59.08 | tremon | "read name" |
| 12:59.12 | N3sh108 | Iridos: -maxdepth 1 |
| 12:59.24 | Iridos | yes, I know... but I thought you were lazy... |
| 12:59.44 | Lachezar | N3sh108: if it is just the current directory find is an overkill, unless there are thousands of files. |
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| 13:00.21 | Arahael | Lachezar: Why is find overkill? |
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| 13:00.32 | themill | Lachezar: here, have a filename with a \n in it. |
| 13:00.32 | N3sh108 | Lachezar: I see for a loop as an overkill, that's why I am still here :P |
| 13:00.37 | SynrG | there are lots of stackexchange or so solutions to this problem, with discussion there about the limitations of each ... maybe research there instead of prolonged not-debian-support related discussion about it here? :) |
| 13:00.40 | Lachezar | wols_: Let me rephrase the question: can I build a meta package that would allow installing newer versions of the dependancies without removing the previous ones? |
| 13:00.43 | N3sh108 | Thanks guys, btw ;) |
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| 13:00.50 | Lachezar | themill: you're a bad man :) |
| 13:01.08 | Iridos | SynrG, that'd be too easy... lets move it to #bash :P |
| 13:01.12 | Lachezar | Arahael: *.jpg is better than find . -name '*.jpg' -maxdepth 1 |
| 13:01.13 | SynrG | or that |
| 13:01.48 | themill | Lachezar: please stick to debian questions in #debian.... it's beyond boring. |
| 13:02.28 | Lachezar | DPKG/APT questions ok here? Or is there #dpkg or #apt? |
| 13:03.12 | themill | Lachezar: your distro's support channel. You've been told that already. |
| 13:04.11 | Lachezar | Debian 7.5? cat /etc/debian_version -> 7.5 |
| 13:04.38 | OpenTokix | Can I blacklist a module from autoloading when for instance a usb-device is connected? |
| 13:05.15 | wols_ | OpenTokix: you can blacklist the module itself. doesn't matter why or how it would be loaded (don't forget to blacklist it in initrd too) |
| 13:05.41 | Arahael | Lachezar: I actually prefer find to *.jpg. |
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| 13:07.23 | OpenTokix | wols_: the autoloading dont respect the modprob.d/blacklist |
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| 13:10.06 | Arahael | Given a DVD, what's the easiest way to determine the name of that DVD? |
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| 13:10.26 | Arahael | (Given a DVD movie, that is, however I assume that the volume name is sufficient) |
| 13:10.38 | themill | Arahael: lsdvd perhaps |
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| 13:11.52 | Arahael | lsdvd's awesome, thanks. :) |
| 13:12.00 | tremon | Arahael: given a physical disc, a .iso file or a collection of .vobs? |
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| 13:12.23 | Arahael | tremon: Physical disk. I'm writing a script to rip my collection. |
| 13:12.56 | Arahael | Having got handbrake installed. It's trivial to compile it, as it happens. |
| 13:13.29 | tremon | lsdvd is probably the best option then. I also use dvdxchap to extract (chapter) navigation information so I won't have to keep the dvd menu |
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| 13:15.19 | Arahael | Can I assume that if lsdvd doesn't produce a name, then it probably doesn't have one that's programmatically accessible? |
| 13:15.34 | Arahael | This one has a disk title of "DVD_VIDEO" |
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| 13:16.35 | tremon | possibly. I've had dvd's without title too, can't remember how lsdvd handled that |
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| 13:17.14 | Arahael | Looks like I'll have to put the date ripped in the new name as a safety. |
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| 13:21.01 | mepl | We are getting a lot of servers in our network now running linux, it is starting to become a real pain keeping track of all the users and passwords, especially the root passwords. Any ideas for this? |
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| 13:21.25 | Arahael | mepl: Get rid of the root passwords? |
| 13:21.34 | abrotman | mepl: a central auth system, ldap/nis/radius |
| 13:21.34 | buu | mepl: ldap? |
| 13:21.38 | surak | private keys. |
| 13:22.21 | abrotman | mepl: as for root passwords, you could come up with a formula based on hostname+date, and have a script change it for you |
| 13:22.44 | abrotman | or some other formula |
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| 13:23.02 | ani_ | Offtopic question: How does Debian decorate text with boxes in the build logs of Debian packages, like this one: http://clang.debian.net/logs/2014-01-14/scilab_5.5.0~beta-1~git~20131216-1627-1_unstable_clang.log ? |
| 13:23.05 | surak | abrotman: can root pass be changed from a script? i never tried |
| 13:23.12 | buu | abrotman: Is the idea there to be able to memorize the formula to be able to compute the password on the fly? |
| 13:23.18 | abrotman | (because you wouldn't want the root password to be centralized in case the remote auth goes away and you need to be root to debug) |
| 13:23.23 | themill | ani_: it's ascii art |
| 13:23.26 | abrotman | buu: yes |
| 13:23.28 | abrotman | surak: yes |
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| 13:23.56 | buu | ani_: They're just special characters that happen to look like lines, put them in the right order and you get boxes. |
| 13:24.32 | themill | ani_: it actually looks exactly the same in your own terminal when you run sbuild. |
| 13:24.41 | dv- | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_Drawing |
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| 13:27.12 | ani_ | Any tool to automatically create these boxes? The contents inside may be of variable length, which might distort the whole thing; in case I do it manually. |
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| 13:29.50 | surak | there is no automated tool for making div boxes hehe |
| 13:30.00 | surak | i mean ascii* |
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| 13:32.24 | alket | Hi, is it possible to install debian without DE ? |
| 13:32.31 | surak | yes |
| 13:32.44 | surak | during install uncheck the "debian desktop environment" |
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| 13:33.04 | alket | surak: thanks , so is there a minimal option, just the repos and internet connection ? |
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| 13:33.40 | surak | there is an option for each server you want, and laptop utilities and desktop env |
| 13:33.54 | surak | if you install without a DE it boots to console (im installing deb as we speak in this way) |
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| 13:36.03 | alket | surak: thanks |
| 13:36.27 | surak | :) |
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| 13:52.13 | Arahael | Well, that dvd rip script was easy. What's the best way for me to trigger the script when I insert the DVD... Learn udev? |
| 13:52.17 | napsy | Hello. I have my own private deb repository, created with reprepro .. the only problam I have is that I don't know how to exclide translations from being available.. Any ideas? |
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| 13:52.46 | lawr | Is it okay to download and use AMD's catalyst drivers from their website? |
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| 13:52.56 | lawr | Will it work for Debian? |
| 13:53.29 | centrx | lawr, Use fglrx |
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| 13:53.44 | centrx | lawr, Better to use the Debian package management system |
| 13:54.26 | surak | lawr: agree, debian packages give better drivers if available |
| 13:54.38 | lawr | centrx: too old |
| 13:54.47 | lawr | I am downloading 14.4 |
| 13:55.07 | lawr | And I already have them installed, however the graphics aren't as good as I expected. |
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| 13:55.31 | lawr | Everything seems a little slow, in games I get a good FPS.. just everything seems a bit slow as if there is another FPS limiting the game. |
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| 13:56.35 | _boot | I used to get weird issues with amd drivers, high fps but there was like an input (or output i don't know) delay of many seconds |
| 13:57.25 | petn-randall | Does anyone have an idea what 'gosa-plugin-nagios' does? The package description doesn't explain, it doesn't come with any README, and I'm not even 100% sure it's from upstream since it's not documented there. |
| 13:58.19 | joltcan | petn-randall: Isn't gosa som big the-great-ldap-in-the-sky solution? I guess it would query the LDAP system in that case? |
| 13:58.29 | surak | petn-randall: nagios is a server monitoring tool i use, checks system resources of my VPS |
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| 13:59.36 | petn-randall | surak: I'm using Icinga (a Nagios fork) myself, but I just can't imagine what a plugin between ldap and nagios can do. |
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| 14:01.03 | joltcan | petn-randall: after a quick look at some source I think it figures out which users to send nagios alarms to (from the gosa LDAP db) |
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| 14:04.28 | Arahael | What should i read to understand debian's udev system? I'm looking at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules and I can't make head or tail of it. |
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| 14:07.06 | TJ- | Arahael: "man udev" |
| 14:07.24 | mepl | I manually add a drive today with the following mount -t cifs //10.254.2.23/vrl /var/vrltransfer -o user=Administrator,password='!foo' however, I need to add is to fstab... however the syntax is so different. Can anyone aid me? |
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| 14:08.03 | Arahael | TJ-: Thanks - looks like I won't have time for that today, it's quite involved. |
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| 14:08.37 | surak | //192.168.0.100/sharename /mnt/localmount cifs username=me,password=ok 0 0 |
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| 14:09.32 | TJ- | Arahael: the concept is pretty simple. The kernel and udev provide various key=value parameters related to each kernel event, and the udev rules match one or more values and on matching (or not matching) take some action |
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| 14:12.19 | Arahael | TJ-: Apparently the rules file I want to use is generated, and I want to call my script with it (which will take about 30 minutes to run) |
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| 14:13.29 | Arahael | TJ-: I don't understand the symlink though. |
| 14:14.10 | TJ- | Arahael: You'd add a ....match expressions... RUN{program}="/path/to/your/command arguments" |
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| 14:14.18 | Arahael | I suspect that I might be able to write a naive rule that matches a symlink (and nothing else). |
| 14:15.04 | TJ- | Arahael: But you'd need to use indirection else you'll cause a system lock-up. As the man-page says: "This can only be used for very short-running foreground tasks. Running an event process for a long period of time may block all further events for this or a dependent device." |
| 14:15.06 | Arahael | I also suspect that it would run my program as root, however I'm not completely sure how to detach my /path/to/your/command program so that I don't block udev. |
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| 14:15.45 | Arahael | Could I use nohup? |
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| 14:16.09 | Silent | Hi :) |
| 14:16.30 | Silent | I just set my debian VM's network to bridged mode, but now i can't access the interntet |
| 14:16.41 | Silent | As far as I can tell I'm not even getting an IP address |
| 14:16.47 | TJ- | Arahael: have the udev command 'touch' a file and have you background process running as a service that keeps an inotify-wait on the 'touch' file so when it changes the background process reads the file and uses its contents as arguments to run with, then deletes the 'touch' file |
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| 14:16.54 | Silent | Could someone please help me solve this? |
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| 14:17.47 | surak | what program are u using silent |
| 14:18.05 | Silent | The host is Windows 7, hypervisor is Oracle VirtualBox |
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| 14:18.48 | Arahael | TJ-: That's a more elegant solution, thanks. |
| 14:18.59 | level7 | hello world |
| 14:19.16 | level7 | Dell just told me that they cannot unbudle Windows from the laptop.... |
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| 14:19.38 | surak | level7: reformat :) |
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| 14:20.00 | level7 | sure, but I would love to NOT pay for windows when buying the laptop |
| 14:20.10 | Arahael | level7: It's about $11 or so, unless I'm mistaken. |
| 14:20.23 | level7 | it's gifting money to Microsoft |
| 14:20.29 | level7 | 11$ for Windows8 ? |
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| 14:20.39 | surak | its about what dell pays yes |
| 14:20.39 | wols_ | then buy a dell linux laptop. or buy e.g. a lenovo with freedos, etc. but I don't grasp how this is a #debian problem |
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| 14:23.17 | dury | hi there channel :-) |
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| 14:25.57 | lawr | Hello, how do I upgrade from wheezy to jessie? |
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| 14:26.04 | dury | which browser it's safetier firefox o chrome in wheezy |
| 14:26.15 | surak | iceweasel :) |
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| 14:26.32 | centrx | dpkg, tell lawr about wheezy->jessie |
| 14:27.00 | dury | surak: iceweasel? |
| 14:27.01 | flukiluke | I'd say lynx, but I don't think that's the answer dury is looking for. |
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| 14:27.26 | surak | dury: iceweasel is the browser that comes with debian that is based on firefox source, its what i use over chromium and firefox |
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| 14:28.10 | dury | flukiluke, surak: I see |
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| 14:28.48 | dury | I use firefox last release 29.01 |
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| 14:29.46 | surak | dury: i lost faith in firefox in version 18, and chromium i lost trust in 3 weeks ago, people might say iceweasel is not updated as much and they are right, its my favorite still |
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| 14:30.14 | lawr | Icesweasel for wheezy isn't up to standard imo surak |
| 14:30.22 | lawr | waayy too old |
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| 14:30.40 | lawr | that's why I'm upgrading to jessie, for newever packages (not just for Iceweasel ofc) |
| 14:30.43 | surak | lawr: you are correct it is old :( |
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| 14:31.23 | dury | flukiluke, surak: anyway.... is Jessie still testing mode? |
| 14:32.11 | lawr | I'm installing it now, yes it is dury |
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| 14:32.19 | lawr | hopefully it is stable |
| 14:32.23 | anomaly | I have one machine accepting rsync backups. when I copy the .known_hosts, I am still getting access denied errors. I want to copy the user data to a new system, without having to disturb the other user by logging in an copying the new key through ssh-copy-id. is it strict-modes in sshd_config which is causing the problem? |
| 14:32.31 | mtn | lawr: newer versions of iceweasel can be installed from here, without upgrading to jessie: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 14:33.03 | lawr | I know mtn but I am installing jessie anyway for new packages for everything |
| 14:33.25 | Arahael | lawr: Jessie is quite different to wheezy. |
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| 14:33.36 | Arahael | lawr: It's selinux. :) |
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| 14:34.03 | rozie | lawr: are you aware of backports? |
| 14:34.10 | lawr | rozie: yes |
| 14:35.37 | grok | i noticed that mate desktop was added to unstable, so should be in jessie repos soon. i hope they make it a backport for wheezy. |
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| 14:36.55 | lawr | Is it okay to use Debian wheezy as a primary home operating system? |
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| 14:37.03 | lawr | or do just developers use it? |
| 14:37.07 | Arahael | lawr: I often do. |
| 14:37.24 | Arahael | (Though lately the mac os x laptops have been my primary desktop) |
| 14:37.47 | dury | lawr: so what's the procedure to upgrade from wheezy to jessie then? |
| 14:37.59 | lawr | dury: I'm not going to do it |
| 14:38.28 | lawr | but anyway |
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| 14:38.30 | lawr | dpkg, tell dury about wheezy->jessie |
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| 14:38.47 | grok | lawr: wheezy is my daily driver. works great. super stable, frequent security updates and backports. |
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| 14:39.28 | lawr | Can someone help me with http://mozilla.debian.net/? Which is the latest version> |
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| 14:40.41 | wols_ | iceweasel 29 is obviously the latest one |
| 14:40.44 | wols_ | ,v iceweasel |
| 14:40.45 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 24.5.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 24.5.0esr-1; sid: 29.0.1-2; experimental: 30.0~b7-1 |
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| 14:41.23 | lawr | wols_: no look at that page |
| 14:41.32 | themill | lawr: what are you really asking? |
| 14:41.34 | lawr | and select a "release" |
| 14:41.37 | petn-randall | lawr: If you want a stable release of iceweasel, there's exactly one repository that fits to your OS. |
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| 14:41.50 | lawr | I want the latest version |
| 14:42.01 | themill | lawr: you need to define 'latest' then |
| 14:42.04 | freeone3000 | lawr: Those're branch tags. Latest stable version is "release". |
| 14:42.05 | lawr | look on that webpage, what is the different between them all? |
| 14:42.15 | wols_ | you need version "release", everything else are betas and alphas |
| 14:42.23 | lawr | What is aurora? |
| 14:42.32 | wols_ | well, esr are legacy versions |
| 14:42.34 | wols_ | lawr: alpha |
| 14:42.36 | lawr | But release is the one I currently have? |
| 14:42.44 | freeone3000 | lawr: There you go, then. |
| 14:42.52 | lawr | and it is old.. |
| 14:42.57 | wols_ | how should we know what you have? we don't have hacked your PC |
| 14:43.07 | lawr | I said I'm using Debain wheezy |
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| 14:43.12 | wols_ | lawr: no you don't have anything by mdn at all probably |
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| 14:43.33 | themill | lawr: it would help if you produced output to back up your statements. We can't get from "it is old.." to what you actually mean |
| 14:43.54 | wols_ | dpkg -l iceweasel |
| 14:43.54 | dpkg | ii iceweasel 1.4-5 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 14:43.57 | lawr | My Icesweael version is 24.5.0 |
| 14:44.04 | lawr | on Debian wheezy |
| 14:44.11 | lawr | How do I use a new version of it? |
| 14:44.15 | wols_ | so do what mdn tells you |
| 14:44.16 | themill | lawr: so do what it says on that web page |
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| 14:44.27 | lawr | themill: I have, what I'm asking is.. |
| 14:44.33 | lawr | WHICH ONE do I choose? |
| 14:44.40 | themill | and we've answered that |
| 14:44.41 | lawr | release is the one I currently have as I said |
| 14:44.48 | themill | it is not |
| 14:44.54 | wols_ | I told you above: release. if you don't read, why should we answer the same question again and again? |
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| 14:45.01 | petn-randall | lawr: You don't have release, you have esr. |
| 14:45.02 | wols_ | lawr: you do not have release |
| 14:45.07 | lawr | What version is release? |
| 14:45.09 | jelly | lawr: release would be 29.0 at this point |
| 14:45.11 | themill | lawr: please read the whole page. |
| 14:45.12 | wols_ | 29 |
| 14:45.28 | lawr | Is there anything newever than that? |
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| 14:45.35 | wols_ | lawr: as I told you before: the one mozilla.org ships as current too |
| 14:45.47 | wols_ | lawr: betas. you do not want betas the way you act |
| 14:45.48 | freeone3000 | Sure, there's 30-b7, which is crashy and not-awesome. |
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| 14:46.06 | lawr | Is "beta" okay? |
| 14:46.15 | lawr | wols_: I'd rather use Iceweasel |
| 14:46.20 | jelly | lawr: why do you need newer? |
| 14:46.22 | freeone3000 | lawr: No, it's crashy and not-awesome. |
| 14:46.26 | petn-randall | lawr: What is "okay" for you? |
| 14:46.32 | lawr | jelly: more features |
| 14:46.36 | jelly | lawr: what features? |
| 14:46.38 | petn-randall | lawr: What features?! |
| 14:46.41 | wols_ | lawr: iceweasel is the same software with different name and pictures. but the software is the same |
| 14:46.42 | freeone3000 | lawr: ..You do get that iceweasel is firefox with the trademarked logos removed, yeah? |
| 14:46.44 | lawr | What is the latest release for Windows? |
| 14:46.48 | wols_ | lawr: 29 |
| 14:46.49 | freeone3000 | lawr: 29. |
| 14:47.00 | jelly | that's why it's called "release"! |
| 14:47.04 | lawr | And that is what "release" is on that webpage? |
| 14:47.08 | freeone3000 | lawr: 29. |
| 14:47.08 | jelly | yes |
| 14:47.17 | petn-randall | is going in circles. |
| 14:47.30 | lawr | Why don't they call them by the version names not stupid codenames? |
| 14:47.34 | lawr | on that webpage |
| 14:47.36 | wols_ | petn-randall: shall I kick you, so you fall down and don't have to run anymore? |
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| 14:47.38 | freeone3000 | lawr: Because the codenames are generally understood. |
| 14:47.47 | jelly | lawr: because the version numbers change when there's a new "release. |
| 14:47.54 | lawr | wth does esr10 even mean to the average person |
| 14:47.58 | wols_ | lawr: release is the current one, not a codename. and it would change every few months too |
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| 14:48.01 | freeone3000 | lawr: Nothing. You're not average, you're running linux. |
| 14:48.08 | jelly | lawr: these code names come from the vendor. |
| 14:48.14 | themill | lawr: I think you've got your answer. Perhaps you should install the package now. |
| 14:48.35 | wols_ | lawr: it means an intelligent person checks mozilla.org what they mean with esr. you are obviously intelligent so you can do it yourself, I'm sure |
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| 14:48.51 | jelly | !flw0 |
| 14:48.51 | dpkg | * westside has run sid since day one | <westside> I run apt-get in cron nightly |
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| 14:49.00 | lawr | themill: I'm installing it now:) |
| 14:49.08 | freeone3000 | Is sid still unstable-experimental? |
| 14:49.23 | centrx | 'sid' is always 'unstable' |
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| 14:49.45 | lawr | we got there in the end |
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| 14:50.29 | d4t | hello, running debian/kfreebsd squeeze here. I want to install apache 2.4 and a couple other packages that are too outdated on the squeeze main repo. I was wondering what would be the most advisable and safe way to use newer packages |
| 14:50.34 | petn-randall | freeone3000: experimental is a different, incomplete suite that complements sid. |
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| 14:50.51 | petn-randall | d4t: I'd upgrade to wheezy first. :) |
| 14:50.55 | themill | d4t: if you're running oldstable, you don't get to complain about old versions of software. |
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| 14:51.28 | d4t | !dpkg upgrade |
| 14:51.29 | dpkg | upgrade is, like, what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze> <squeeze->wheezy>. |
| 14:51.43 | themill | dpkg: tell d4t about squeeze->wheezy |
| 14:51.49 | grok | .oO(these guys must have the patience of job...) |
| 14:51.55 | themill | (not that you'll find apache 2.4 in wheezy either) |
| 14:51.58 | dury | all right have to go thanks for your advices .... cheerss I'll be back :-) |
| 14:52.10 | jelly | themill: what's the point then!! |
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| 14:53.40 | johndru | How do I make my fan work? I downloaded fancontrol but it doesn't work, it says "Can't load configuration file" and there is no config file present. I need to turn my fan on, any help please? |
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| 14:55.47 | d4t | themill, where will I find it? |
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| 14:55.51 | wols_ | johndru: very much depends on your hardware (mainboard or notebook) |
| 14:56.03 | d4t | can I upgrade to lenny rather? |
| 14:56.05 | johndru | wols_: I have a Compaq 435. |
| 14:56.21 | d4t | lenny > wheezy > squeeze right? I mean as in "newer" |
| 14:56.27 | BilboLaggins | Hey... im having trouble with some application that request xulrunner to run on wheezy... how can i get that lib? |
| 14:56.39 | wols_ | d4t: no. wheezy is newer than squeeze |
| 14:57.02 | wols_ | BilboLaggins: apt-cache search xulrunner |
| 14:57.07 | d4t | that's what I said, I was wondering if lenny was newer than both |
| 14:57.16 | centrx | That is even more incorrect |
| 14:57.18 | wols_ | d4t: lenny is older than both |
| 14:57.21 | centrx | I am not sure where you would get that idea |
| 14:57.27 | abrotman | !release history |
| 14:57.27 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7.0; 2013-05-04). The next release will be Jessie. http://debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases |
| 14:58.07 | d4t | I don't use debian, but have read lenny everywhere. didn't know what the chronological order was |
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| 14:58.31 | petn-randall | d4t: There's also a wikipedia page with all the releases. :) |
| 14:58.34 | d4t | I do have some experience with debian but back when it was sarge and etch |
| 14:58.37 | wols_ | BilboLaggins: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xulrunner&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 14:59.17 | d4t | ok so assuming I still want to achieve the most up to date packages inside my debian installation, what should I 'upgrade' to? |
| 14:59.25 | yakamo | hi i just found a file on an nfs shre titled ".nfsxxxxxxxx" the x = numbers its a considerable size 291MB anyone know what this is doing here |
| 14:59.47 | d4t | I can destroy and rebuild this little debian environments at will since I'm running them inside jails |
| 14:59.51 | wols_ | d4t: wheezy as you've been told |
| 14:59.56 | d4t | so I'd like to experiment the stability |
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| 15:00.04 | d4t | wols_, ok |
| 15:00.11 | wols_ | if you want to experiment, testing aka jessie or sid |
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| 15:10.10 | d4t | so testing is always called sid, but it's jessie because that's how the new squeeze will be called? |
| 15:10.33 | wols_ | no. unstable is always called sid |
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| 15:10.52 | d4t | unstable = sid |
| 15:10.53 | wols_ | testing is always called whatever the name of the next debian release will be. right now: jessie |
| 15:10.57 | d4t | jessie = testing |
| 15:11.07 | d4t | <-> |
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| 15:11.30 | d4t | stable = wheezy |
| 15:11.40 | d4t | oldstable = squeeze |
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| 15:11.56 | d4t | oldoldstable = lenny |
| 15:12.01 | d4t | got it :) |
| 15:12.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell d4t about releases |
| 15:12.34 | Neringan | if you want to remember debian names are from toy's story. Sid is the kid who breaks toys so unstable is called sid. good way to remember =p |
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| 15:13.30 | somiaj | d4t: squeeze now has lts support that will last until 2016 on some packages (mostly server stuff, desktop stuff not so much). If all you want is a newer apache in squeeze you can compile your own package (and also matain security of said package) and stay on squeeze. But if you need a lot of newer packages wheezy is the current debian stable. |
| 15:13.31 | d4t | yes that's the only good way to remember too |] |
| 15:13.51 | somiaj | d4t: note I'm unsure how difficult it would be to compile apache2.4 on squeeze |
| 15:14.39 | d4t | somiaj, I succesfully ran debian wheezy in one of my jails and I'll probably use that one. I'm setting up jessie just to see how that one goes, and what new versions are available |
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| 15:15.07 | d4t | somiaj, I don't really feel like compiling my own package |
| 15:15.09 | somiaj | d4t: jessie is probabaly not the safest to run in a server enviorment as it gets slow security fixes. |
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| 15:15.25 | d4t | somiaj, indeed. When will jessie be the new stable? |
| 15:15.34 | d4t | I'm just experimenting though |
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| 15:16.40 | d4t | well upgrading to jessie already broke my tty display <3 |
| 15:16.52 | somiaj | d4t: the freeze is most likely going to happen in novemeber this year, and after that the response is 'when it is ready' -- I'd say takes up to a year to fix all rc bugs and get it ready for release. |
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| 15:18.07 | crambler | how i can remove label from disk ? grub dont want to install |
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| 15:20.11 | somiaj | crambler: the label most likely doesn't effect grub installing, what is the actual error/problem you are having installing grub? (is this on a gtp partition that you have to install it on a specially flaged mbr or efi partition?) |
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| 15:21.47 | __odie | hi, i wanted to know what exactly the option "Debian Desktop environment" installs in the graphical installation process |
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| 15:21.51 | somiaj | crambler: I have to go, but if you provide the channel with info about yourset up including errors you get (paste.debian.net for those) others may help you try to figure out why grub won't install. |
| 15:22.05 | somiaj | __odie: it depends on the install medium/options you choose at boot |
| 15:22.33 | somiaj | __odie: unless you have a kde/lxde/xfce cd1 install medium it will install gnome desktop by default. |
| 15:22.51 | __odie | somiaj, ok, but JUST gnome desktop? |
| 15:23.04 | somiaj | __odie: on the net install under advanced options you can choose which desktop to install and it will install the one you choose as default (this choice is done during the initial boot options) |
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| 15:23.37 | __odie | somiaj, like the "gnome" package |
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| 15:23.43 | somiaj | __odie: it installws what debian calls the complete debian desktop, y ou can look at the task-gnome-desktop for the actual list of packages. |
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| 15:24.05 | somiaj | __odie: correct, I'm unsure if there is difference between the gnome meta package and the task-gnome-desktop (what tasksel is actually using/installing) |
| 15:24.27 | __odie | somiaj, thx thats exactly what i was looking for (the package name) |
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| 15:25.49 | somiaj | __odie: note task-foo are info for tasksel to install a collection of packages so just isntalling that package will not install the same stuff as the install, you'ld have to run tasksel and select that task too. |
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| 15:27.06 | __odie | somiaj, and the most recent kernel version on stable is 3.2? :D |
| 15:27.52 | mjt | what's so funny about this? wheezy kernel _is_ 3.2 |
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| 15:28.48 | __odie | coming from archlinux on my other boxes, this version is like 2(?) years ago |
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| 15:29.17 | ksk | hey guys. any1 tried insalling "debian-security-support" package? does not seem to work over here.. |
| 15:29.30 | centrx | __odie, It's the stable release. Archlinux isn't as suitable for a production system. |
| 15:29.42 | centrx | __odie, You can use wheezy-backports to get the latest kernel in stable |
| 15:29.59 | mjt | __odie: so is wheezy |
| 15:30.01 | __odie | centrx, i understand that, thats why i'm setting up my workstation with a reliable system like debian |
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| 15:30.27 | mjt | not 2 years, about 1.5 years old |
| 15:30.52 | mjt | and debian does not push new versions of anything to its stable branch |
| 15:31.14 | centrx | it's a little less strict than that |
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| 15:31.38 | mjt | sure there are exceptions. but kernel isn't one of them |
| 15:32.03 | mjt | rhel6 (current redhat stable) is based on 2.6.32 kernel |
| 15:32.07 | __odie | so, the thing is i have an intel gpu and a discrete gpu, since 3.10(?) theres afaik a native support for that |
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| 15:32.28 | mjt | native support for what? |
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| 15:32.41 | klrr_ | what is the ffmpeg equaliant in debian? |
| 15:32.44 | __odie | mjt, switching between igpu and dgpu |
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| 15:33.04 | centrx | klrr_, libav (avconv) |
| 15:33.11 | klrr_ | thanks! |
| 15:33.21 | mjt | __odie: don't count on it, try to use just one of them. It doesn't work in a reliable way. |
| 15:33.24 | mjt | !optimus |
| 15:33.26 | dpkg | The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian in <testing> and <wheezy-backports>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://bumblebee-project.org/ #bumblebee on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 15:33.41 | __odie | its an AMD chip |
| 15:33.41 | mjt | if you mean that one ^^ |
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| 15:35.04 | crambler | how to remove multiple labels from disk ? |
| 15:35.21 | mjt | what is a label? |
| 15:35.27 | crambler | ... |
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| 15:35.56 | mjt | that one can be removed with an india-rubber |
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| 15:36.37 | mjt | (but I'm not sure it has anything to do with debian or software in general) |
| 15:36.42 | __odie | can the packages vim and a gui version co-exist? |
| 15:37.03 | crambler | mjt multiple labels on disk are not supported by grub, thats why i cant install grub |
| 15:37.13 | __odie | or do the gui version provide the commandlien version? |
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| 15:38.30 | mjt | __odie: I don't see they conflict with each other, why are you asking? |
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| 15:40.19 | __odie | mjt, experienced this in other distributions |
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| 15:40.42 | mjt | __odie: well, conflicting them may lead to less confusion to users |
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| 15:42.19 | mjt | crambler: I asked that question on a purpose. It looks like you don't understand what a "label" is (and I'd say it is a misnomer) |
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| 15:42.49 | mjt | crambler: most likely you have a "backup" gpt at the end of your hdd, and regular mbr at the beginning |
| 15:43.14 | mjt | find out what you have and what you actually use, and remove the unused part. |
| 15:43.40 | mjt | there's most likely no high-level _safe_ tool to do that |
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| 15:47.41 | doublehp | do debian include zfs ? I don't see the kernel module int the conf file |
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| 15:48.25 | wols_ | doublehp: not for linux and it cannot. possibly in the kFreeBSD version |
| 15:48.33 | crambler | mjt i ask how to remove label from disk and you ask me what label is i just ignore it |
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| 15:48.54 | mjt | crambler: sure, no prob |
| 15:48.57 | __odie | are there any magic things i can do to set up a nice font rendering? |
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| 15:49.21 | mjt | crambler: if you don't need help, you may as well stop asking |
| 15:49.22 | petn-randall | doublehp: kfreebsd/Debian supports ZFS natively. For Linux you can use zfs-fuse. I don't have any hands-on experience, so I can't tell you how good it works. |
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| 15:49.44 | crambler | yes i need help but not if ask about removing multi labels on disk and someone ask me what labels is ... |
| 15:50.03 | doublehp | wols_: petn-randall so ... root on zfs is PITA ? |
| 15:50.13 | mjt | .ignore crambler |
| 15:50.15 | mjt | sorry |
| 15:50.18 | ajcrowe | doublehp, you can also look at the zfsonlinux packages, they build native support rather than fuse. I've found they work just fine |
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| 15:50.20 | mtn | __odie: depends on your taste of course. are you using gnome? if so, check out gnome-tweak-tool |
| 15:50.25 | doublehp | crambler: there are several labels per disk |
| 15:50.30 | petn-randall | doublehp: kfreebsd should work fine with it. |
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| 15:51.34 | crambler | doublehp: and how to remove them ? |
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| 15:51.48 | doublehp | crambler: you don't. |
| 15:52.01 | doublehp | crambler: you set them to a different value. |
| 15:52.23 | sidolee | coste why you change always ;-) |
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| 15:52.24 | __odie | mtn, i'm using either awesome-wm or xfce |
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| 15:53.09 | mtn | __odie: I would expect xfce to have a font settings tool. |
| 15:53.14 | crambler | doublehp: well grub cry about multi labels on disk its mean i need to have more than 2 labels, i need to remove some of them |
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| 15:53.32 | __odie | mtn, it has, but some fonts look blurry in chrome |
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| 15:53.44 | mjt | heh. no doublehp suggests to do something about entirely different "labels" ;) |
| 15:53.51 | mjt | hence my original question |
| 15:54.02 | doublehp | hence our answers |
| 15:54.08 | crambler | mjt you ignore me or not ? please dotn asnwer if you dont know whats going on |
| 15:54.18 | crambler | and type more kiddy .ignore like someone care |
| 15:54.27 | mjt | i *know* what's going on. But you don't want to hear me |
| 15:54.32 | mtn | __odie: you can try adjusting the hinting and antialiasing to see if you can find a setup you like. |
| 15:54.43 | mjt | and i told you already what's going oni |
| 15:54.44 | mjt | on |
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| 15:55.13 | mtn | __odie: I like hinting=none and antialiasing=rgba |
| 15:55.16 | mjt | but since you don't know what a label is and think i make fun out of you, and keep thinking that, well, it's your prob not mine :) |
| 15:55.25 | doublehp | crambler: you are probably using grub2; i used it twice, and it broke my system heavily. Anyway, go to #grub !!! |
| 15:55.48 | crambler | i dont use grub legacy, i need grub2 to login in some not supported os by legacy |
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| 15:57.16 | doublehp | crambler: I never used grub2 in prod, and never had any error about labels; but, reading mjt ... I now think your issue is about grub labels, not disk labels ... what is completely different - and I have no clue about it :) |
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| 15:57.39 | doublehp | crambler: but the answer remain the same: you don't want to remove any label, but, change them. In any case, /j #grub |
| 15:58.09 | mjt | (fwiw, asking "how to remove label from disk" makes no sence at all until you also define what a "label" is, because except of that paper sticker, a disk has no such concept) |
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| 15:58.24 | doublehp | an OS not supported by grub1 ... Iwonder what this could be :) |
| 15:58.27 | __odie | the microsoft turetype fonts package is not available anymore? |
| 15:58.38 | crambler | doublehp self made by my company software |
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| 15:58.49 | doublehp | LOL |
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| 15:59.05 | doublehp | self explanatory :) |
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| 15:59.17 | crambler | and if i good remember opensuse also dont support grub legacy |
| 15:59.31 | crambler | oh wait sabayon also |
| 15:59.45 | doublehp | crambler: used at some point, i can sware; maybe no more now, that's their problem |
| 16:00.03 | crambler | hehe |
| 16:00.19 | doublehp | there are very few things grub1 can't do ... really |
| 16:00.25 | crambler | i knewed looking for help on debian irc its waste time, nvm thanks for try |
| 16:00.26 | crambler | bb |
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| 16:00.46 | mjt | lovely. And I told him exactly what his problem is. |
| 16:00.46 | doublehp | lol ... did he just refuse to join #grub ? |
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| 16:01.19 | doublehp | yes :) he is not there :) |
| 16:01.49 | mjt | actually it's even better. Because his prob is risky to fix, risking to broke whole system |
| 16:01.53 | doublehp | so, root on zfs ... ? tuto ? |
| 16:02.06 | mjt | and with his attitude, we'll be guilty for breaking his stuff |
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| 16:02.19 | Iridos | mjt, a bad personality? |
| 16:02.39 | mjt | no, most likely two partition tables on one hdd |
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| 16:02.59 | doublehp | Iridos: considering i am having fun with raid since a few days ... I would say "faulty personality" :) |
| 16:03.08 | mjt | heh |
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| 16:05.15 | TJ- | mjt: No, it's two file-systems with the same LABEL, probably from a 'dd' clone. grub-install reports "Attempting to install GRUB to a disk with multiple partition labels! |
| 16:05.24 | codepython777 | how do i install systemd-sysv without getting a "Yes, do as i say prompt"? -y --force-yes does not work? |
| 16:06.07 | mjt | TJ-: thank you for the clarification. From that error message I'd never guessed that. Seriously. |
| 16:06.19 | mjt | so doublehp was right |
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| 16:06.57 | mjt | (that's, again, about "disk label" definition :) |
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| 16:07.32 | doublehp | mjt: that's odd, cause grub2 relies on UUID; so, it depends if grub points to the UUID of the partition, or of the filesystem |
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| 16:08.12 | doublehp | even with dd, uuid of partition may change in many cases |
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| 16:08.19 | mjt | i never actually used grub. I jumped from old'good lilo back in 2003 or so stright to syslinux |
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| 16:09.15 | mjt | just a few days ago i actually installed grub (grub2) for the first time, because syslinux doesn't really work in uefi mode. |
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| 16:11.24 | jelly | mjt: why not refit or whatever? |
| 16:11.32 | gour | any golang user here? i'm just starting with go and wonder if http://golang.org/doc/code.html is the path to follow for building/developing go apps on debian? |
| 16:11.35 | jelly | you missed the best grub, 0.9x |
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| 16:12.14 | somiaj | __odie: you cna get a 3.14 kernel for wheezy from wheezy-backports, but the stock kernel is 3.2 (plus many security fixes and some driver support backported to it, it isn't the same 3.2 kernel as 2 years ago, it has had some improvements) |
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| 16:12.58 | frostschutz | gour, #go-nuts - there's a godeb that turns it into .deb somewhere |
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| 16:13.18 | mjt | jelly: 0.9 grub was a bit too messy in the way it handled the "boot once" choice, -- i had to actually put a _number_ there, instead of a command line like lilo or syslinux allows. That was too error-prone for me, so I had to seek for alternatives and found syslinux. |
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| 16:14.20 | mjt | jelly: and, as this efi stuff is completely new for me, I didn't know I can use "external" boot managers, I was looking at what's exist in debian. |
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| 16:14.55 | gour | frostschutz: i am thinking about the phase before generating *.debs, iow. just building some golang pkgs |
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| 16:15.19 | __odie | where do font configs go? is it ~/.config/fontconfig/.fonts.conf or ~/.fonts.conf? |
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| 16:17.45 | Nindustries | Hi, how can I give a user access to /tmp ? |
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| 16:17.53 | Nindustries | (www-data user for apache) |
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| 16:18.06 | centrx | Nindustries, Users should already have access to /tmp |
| 16:18.15 | Nindustries | oh |
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| 16:18.55 | mtn | __odie: have you read this?: https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts |
| 16:18.58 | Nindustries | thanks |
| 16:19.01 | __odie | mtn, yes i did |
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| 16:19.50 | __odie | mtn, but it seems if i change something in ~/.fonts.conf my DE (xfce) doesn't apply the changes after re-login |
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| 16:24.37 | manishthatte | hi all |
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| 16:25.07 | manishthatte | whats new today? anybodyy upgrade from wheezy to jessie? |
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| 16:28.17 | mtn | manishthatte: nobody ever did that ;) |
| 16:28.23 | pqek | manishthatte: i did that |
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| 16:28.41 | pqek | any issue manishthatte |
| 16:29.01 | manishthatte | i just did it now |
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| 16:29.12 | manishthatte | no... still installing |
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| 16:29.19 | pqek | my jessie is working nicely. |
| 16:29.45 | manishthatte | hope it is as stable as wheezy :) |
| 16:30.01 | manishthatte | and sexier |
| 16:30.23 | pqek | yep. it is. the only thing did not work properly was my wi-fi but it was because of my laptop: ASUS X550C. |
| 16:30.35 | pqek | is already "fixed". |
| 16:30.57 | mtn | manishthatte: it surely won't be as stable, no way ;) |
| 16:31.05 | manishthatte | ok,... got it running |
| 16:31.13 | manishthatte | seems ok |
| 16:31.24 | manishthatte | stable :) |
| 16:31.32 | pqek | do a dmesg :) |
| 16:31.34 | manishthatte | atleast it didnt crash my sys |
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| 16:32.16 | manishthatte | dmesg seems ok |
| 16:32.19 | pqek | lol. |
| 16:32.55 | pqek | then it should be working ok. you should do a restart and check /var/log/messages | syslog. |
| 16:33.22 | manishthatte | hey any idea how i can get involved in the development team? |
| 16:33.38 | manishthatte | id like to help out |
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| 16:33.52 | manishthatte | true pqek |
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| 16:34.26 | pqek | :) |
| 16:34.50 | manishthatte | wait...lemme restart...brb |
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| 16:38.24 | manishthatte | ok... got back |
| 16:38.49 | manishthatte | upgrade seems to have gone nicely |
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| 16:40.10 | pqek | sweet manishthatte |
| 16:40.29 | manishthatte | ;) |
| 16:40.56 | manishthatte | pqek whats ur hardware? |
| 16:41.05 | manishthatte | mine is samsung netbook |
| 16:41.08 | manishthatte | old |
| 16:41.35 | pqek | mine is an ASUS X550C. |
| 16:41.49 | manishthatte | 1 ghz atom intel |
| 16:41.53 | pqek | Core i7 2.0 - 8GB Ram - 1TB HD |
| 16:42.02 | manishthatte | cool |
| 16:42.04 | pqek | old one |
| 16:42.05 | pqek | yep |
| 16:42.26 | manishthatte | i have all of 1gb ram ;) |
| 16:43.27 | pqek | ehehe |
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| 16:45.00 | pqek | manishthatte: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 16:45.09 | manishthatte | deb works nicely though |
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| 16:45.27 | pqek | manishthatte: 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF117M [GeForce 610M/710M/820M / GT 620M/625M/630M/720M] (rev a1) |
| 16:45.47 | pqek | yes. debian does not need many resources. |
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| 16:48.05 | manishthatte | pqek what do u do...? |
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| 16:48.28 | manishthatte | i am into nanotech |
| 16:48.32 | pqek | sysops && developer :) |
| 16:48.45 | manishthatte | :) ...cool |
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| 16:49.25 | pqek | I'm gonna become full time developer in few months. meanwhile in both sides :) |
| 16:49.39 | manishthatte | what lang? |
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| 16:49.52 | manishthatte | i am mostly into python |
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| 16:50.00 | pqek | nice. love python :) |
| 16:50.25 | manishthatte | yup... |
| 16:50.48 | manishthatte | u? |
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| 16:51.32 | pqek | mostly ruby, perl, bash... soon in erlang :) |
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| 16:51.51 | pqek | well, some python too :) |
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| 17:24.32 | rubin110 | jelly-home: Welp, considering this is my birth name... |
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| 17:30.40 | codepython777 | is there a tool like pstree which also shows memory usage of processes? |
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| 17:56.21 | lroe | what is the best way to replace a portion of my filesystem with a new partition. I have created the partition with a filesystem on it, but I'd like to slip it in place with as little disturbance as possible |
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| 17:58.04 | Bluerr | you could dd the complete filesystem, but it's 1to1 so it has the same size Iroe |
| 17:58.21 | Bluerr | lroe |
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| 17:59.35 | petn-randall | lroe: Sounds like an XY problem, what are you ultimately trying to achieve? |
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| 18:00.11 | djacob | hola all, im trying to have deb7 boot to a cli login and not to gnome, i changed the run level to 2, but still get gnome login, i am also working off a odroid with arm processors and hdmi output, if i remove the gdm3 from rc2.d then i get no hdmi output, anyone have any ideas of how i can accomplish this please? thanks in advance |
| 18:00.15 | Bluerr | else you could just copy it with cp -R ... |
| 18:00.50 | lroe | /var/log/ was not originally created as its own filesystem. It has since filled up a few times, so I would like to replace it with its own fs so 1) I can make it bigger and 2) if it does fill up it only fills up /var/log/ |
| 18:01.06 | lroe | but things are logging to /var/log constantly |
| 18:01.28 | Bluerr | just copy it and change it in /etc/fstab then reboot |
| 18:01.28 | lroe | so I am asking for the most efficient way to slip the new partition into /var/log/ with minimal downtime |
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| 18:01.50 | Bluerr | some new logs will be missing but it makes no difference/not important |
| 18:02.50 | Bluerr | some live migration should not be necessary |
| 18:02.53 | d4t | can anyone help here? I'm attempting to install uwsgi on debian/kfreebsd and I get this error when trying to compile it: http://sprunge.us/HSTQ |
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| 18:04.26 | petn-randall | lroe: It won't help you now, but for the future: LVM is a good way to extend partitions online, amongst other nifty features. |
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| 18:04.39 | lroe | petn-randall, the new partition is an lvm |
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| 18:05.25 | d4t | is there a kfreebsd channel btw? |
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| 18:05.45 | petn-randall | lroe: Ah, I see. I'd take the machine to single mode, then copy over the logs and mount the new fs to /var. It's at least the cleanest way where you don't loose anything. |
| 18:06.30 | lroe | petn-randall, that is what I was thinking, but I was wondering if there was another way that didn't take the machine down for that long |
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| 18:09.12 | Inst | deb sucks pass it on |
| 18:09.13 | Inst | ;) |
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| 18:14.49 | ziftex_ | Hmm. spotify will not run on wheezy because newer version of libc is needed. But don't wana make my system unstable doing jessie. any hints? |
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| 18:16.34 | Nik05 | ziftex_ compile it yourself? |
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| 18:17.08 | ziftex_ | Guess I can do that. But how will apt move along when lic is updated? |
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| 18:17.44 | wols_ | just as badly is if you were running jessie's libc6 |
| 18:17.46 | Nik05 | i meant compile spotify yourself |
| 18:18.06 | wols_ | Nik05: spotify is a commercial service most probably full of DRM. what compile? |
| 18:18.21 | Nik05 | i dont know wols_ |
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| 18:19.19 | ziftex_ | think I will just try this: http://roger.steneteg.org/410/spotify-on-debian-wheezy/ |
| 18:19.54 | ziftex_ | (and make a note for when someting other breakes) :P |
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| 18:21.36 | reinoS | Any ideas why I got "Module build for currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel seems to be not installed" when I install nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 18:21.49 | asherawelan | I have a script that i run concurrently to process video. I have 5 threads running at a time. I’d like to scale that to 10, can any one advise me how I’d work out many processors I’d need, what would be a decent approch to having a fair stab? |
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| 18:22.22 | babilen | reinoS: Yeah, you forgot to install the kernel headers apparently ... Just follow the instructions in https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 18:22.26 | wols_ | asherawelan: it depends on the processors. and how is this a debian question? |
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| 18:22.38 | reinoS | linux-source and linux-headers are installed, only weird thing is that I see linux-headers-3.14 when I get 3.13 in uname -r |
| 18:23.07 | ziftex_ | reinoS, typeo I guess. |
| 18:23.12 | asherawelan | wols_: I was wondering is debian had any tools to measure CPU load and if that could help answer the question, where else might i ask? Cheers |
| 18:23.15 | wols_ | reinoS: show us the output of dpkg -l linux* in a pastebin please |
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| 18:23.27 | wols_ | asherawelan: top? |
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| 18:23.36 | reinoS | I cant really get into pastebin atm, I can only use tty |
| 18:23.45 | wols_ | !nopaste |
| 18:23.45 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 18:23.48 | ziftex_ | reinoS, apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:23.51 | wols_ | so you can easily use a pastebin |
| 18:23.56 | reinoS | Oh, cool |
| 18:23.59 | asherawelan | wols_: cool, yeah top would be a basic start sure |
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| 18:24.47 | ziftex_ | Is comptia linux+ worth the while? |
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| 18:25.44 | monod | Hello |
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| 18:26.01 | monod | I'd like to know how can I upgrade my LyX to the latest version |
| 18:26.15 | monod | I think it's something with the repos |
| 18:26.27 | wols_ | monod: define what you mean with "latest" and what debian you run |
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| 18:27.33 | monod | wols_, importing a .lyx file, it says that it comes from a newer version (which is the univerisity pcs' one) |
| 18:27.45 | monod | wols_, And I have.... |
| 18:27.58 | monod | wols_, Wheezy 7.5 |
| 18:28.22 | wols_ | we cannot know what your university uses for a version, so how can we help you? |
| 18:28.35 | pqek | dpkg: try sprunge :) |
| 18:28.35 | dpkg | pqek: are you using Windows? |
| 18:28.51 | wols_ | cause even if you get the totally newest one from cvs, then most likely you have the same problem again but this time taking stuff from home to uni.... |
| 18:29.05 | reinoS | ziftex_: "Could not find package by regex "linux-headers-3.13-1-amd64" |
| 18:29.11 | pqek | dpkg: no, debian -jessie |
| 18:29.12 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, pqek |
| 18:29.15 | pqek | http://sprunge.us/ |
| 18:29.22 | monod | wols_, I know what distro they run at the uni |
| 18:29.27 | monod | Might that help? |
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| 18:29.29 | wols_ | pqek: dpkg is a bot. please stop |
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| 18:29.52 | wols_ | monod: probably. distrowatch might know what lyx version they use, I dunno |
| 18:29.58 | monod | Ok |
| 18:30.01 | monod | Trying it. |
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| 18:30.08 | pqek | ok wols_ did not get that. |
| 18:30.18 | wols_ | reinoS: you are running jessie or testing?. install a current kernel and this time including headers |
| 18:30.30 | wols_ | reinoS: and boot from that new kernel before you install headers |
| 18:31.42 | reinoS | wols_: jessie |
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| 18:32.33 | wols_ | reinoS: then run a current kernel |
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| 18:36.50 | Cpuroast | 3.14 is in jessie |
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| 18:37.02 | Cpuroast | no point in running 3.13 in jessie |
| 18:37.23 | wols_ | 3.13 was in jessie but has been superceded. which is why he can't install the headers anymore |
| 18:37.30 | Cpuroast | exactly |
| 18:37.40 | Cpuroast | je just needs to upgrade his kernel |
| 18:37.44 | Cpuroast | and issue solved |
| 18:37.48 | Cpuroast | je=he |
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| 18:50.16 | JohnNick | hi all |
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| 18:54.18 | JohnNick | I've got a problem |
| 18:54.42 | JohnNick | I inadvertedly removed /lib/libc.so.6 symlink |
| 18:54.56 | JohnNick | and now I cannot restore it back |
| 18:55.24 | JohnNick | there is a trick with LD_PRELOAD=/lib/libc.VERSION.so |
| 18:55.40 | JohnNick | but it doesn't help me since I have to execute it with sudo to recreate the symlink |
| 18:56.21 | dondelelcaro | JohnNick: so use su instead |
| 18:56.28 | JohnNick | it is the same |
| 18:56.34 | JohnNick | it requires the lib to be loaded |
| 18:57.09 | dondelelcaro | JohnNick: ah; right. The solution is to use bash-static or something else on boot to fix it |
| 18:57.14 | dondelelcaro | JohnNick: or if you have rescue media |
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| 18:58.31 | JohnNick | that's the problem, it's on a remote server |
| 18:58.52 | JohnNick | so I guess I don't have any choice but to restore the operating system |
| 18:59.04 | dondelelcaro | JohnNick: your remote server should have a serial console or similar. |
| 18:59.40 | pqek | JohnNick: if you have a backup you can restore the file from it. |
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| 19:03.05 | JohnNick | thank you very much dondelelcaro |
| 19:03.40 | JohnNick | dondelelcaro, what's a serial console ? |
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| 19:03.49 | JohnNick | the physical port to connect into ? |
| 19:04.35 | dondelelcaro | JohnNick: it gives you via a serial port the same output that you would see on a monitor if you were connceted locally |
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| 19:05.09 | dondelelcaro | JohnNick: most VPS have them |
| 19:05.27 | dondelelcaro | JohnNick: and if you have remote physical servers, you almost certainly want them too. |
| 19:05.36 | BeWilled | Hi I messed up: wanted to install gnome-core for my VNC but mindlessly installed gnome-desktop-environment. My question: is there a way to completly remove gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 19:06.01 | dondelelcaro | (or you want to use something like IPMI or similar which gives you a out-of-band management and a serial console in another manner) |
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| 19:06.46 | JohnNick | dondelelcaro, ok, thank you very much, I'll ask my sysadmin, he should know that |
| 19:06.55 | JohnNick | dondelelcaro, thanks a lot |
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| 19:08.35 | pqek | BeWilled: you mean with dependencies? |
| 19:08.44 | pqek | you can purge it using aptitude... |
| 19:09.04 | BeWilled | sudo apt-get autoremove --purge gnome* |
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| 19:09.32 | pqek | no gnome* but gnome-desktop-environment |
| 19:09.59 | pqek | also I think you can check for its dependencies, and remove them if you are not longer going to use them. |
| 19:10.01 | BeWilled | well, gnome* is running atm, we'll se |
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| 19:10.34 | BeWilled | pqek: so much space and unnecesarry updates |
| 19:10.51 | pqek | try cleaning cache from /var/cache/apt |
| 19:10.51 | BeWilled | freed |
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| 19:11.14 | pqek | apt-get clean | autoclean |
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| 19:11.30 | pqek | purge all the old packages |
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| 19:12.33 | BeWilled | all dependancies are removed wtih apt-get clean and autoclean? |
| 19:12.38 | pqek | aptitude aptitude purge '~c' |
| 19:12.54 | pqek | nooo BeWilled that clean the cache. |
| 19:12.58 | dondelelcaro | BeWilled: all you have to do is remove the gnome-desktop-environment; package. Any other packages which you haven't specifically asked to have isntalled |
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| 19:13.11 | tethra | autoremove IIRC |
| 19:13.16 | dondelelcaro | BeWilled: will be marked as automatically installed, and can be removed the next time you run autoremove. |
| 19:13.24 | tethra | ^ |
| 19:13.26 | dondelelcaro | (or if you use aptitude, the next time you run aptitude) |
| 19:13.44 | pqek | yes dondelelcaro is right. |
| 19:13.48 | BeWilled | aptitude purge '~c' is removing more stuff |
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| 19:14.17 | BeWilled | libreoffice stuff thats good :) |
| 19:15.36 | pqek | k. you wanna some space :) |
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| 19:15.59 | BeWilled | pqek: space and update computer power |
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| 19:17.44 | pqek | mmm, nice BeWilled |
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| 19:34.51 | nerder | hello everybody, i have a Radeon R7 260x (Asus) anyone can help me to install the driver? because right now Gnome3 dosen't work correctly |
| 19:35.01 | nerder | uname -a: Linux nerder 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.51-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:36.01 | mjt | it should work just fine out of the box. Maybe you don't have xserver-xorg-video-radeon ? |
| 19:36.19 | wols_ | mjt: it won't. card/chip is too new for wheezy |
| 19:36.33 | wols_ | and even then it usually needs non-free firmware for radeons |
| 19:36.41 | mjt | yes, firmware is needed |
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| 19:37.13 | mjt | r7 worked here in wheezy -- I think. But I switched to intel since that time. |
| 19:37.53 | mjt | (and intel didn't work with ivy bridge xeon - I had to backport the X drivers :) |
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| 19:39.08 | wols_ | mjt: when did you check r7? |
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| 19:39.13 | wols_ | and which r7 |
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| 19:39.52 | mjt | more than a year ago. I've sold that system |
| 19:39.58 | Doxin | I accidentally a package from the wrong distro, and dpkg seems to refuse removing it. sudo apt-get remove mongodb-org-* result subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 100s in "" |
| 19:39.59 | Doxin | halp |
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| 19:41.44 | mjt | wols_: I think you can easily ignore me here, I don't remember the details anymore, and, after some thinking, I'm not sure it was wheezy or I had to run something from jessie (or even used a custom kernel) |
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| 19:42.23 | pqek | Doxin: read the inst script and execute the steps manually :) |
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| 19:42.26 | wols_ | mjt: a year ago, R7 did not exist. tho some of the chips are the same |
| 19:42.49 | Doxin | pqek: can't dpkg just uproot all the relevant files? |
| 19:43.23 | pqek | not that I know Doxin |
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| 19:43.35 | Doxin | well poo |
| 19:43.36 | mjt | Doxin: please pastebin whole thing - the command you run and complete output |
| 19:43.50 | Doxin | pqek: where do I even find the instscript? |
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| 19:44.44 | pqek | Doxin: in the package itself. |
| 19:44.52 | Doxin | pqek: that doesn't help |
| 19:45.05 | wols_ | Doxin: pqek is wrong and please do what mjt wrote please |
| 19:45.12 | pqek | like mjt said, use pastebin and give us the link. |
| 19:46.15 | Doxin | wols_: mjt didn't say anything to me ._. |
| 19:46.19 | Doxin | oh |
| 19:46.19 | Doxin | there |
| 19:46.20 | Doxin | nvm |
| 19:46.22 | Doxin | k |
| 19:46.24 | Doxin | mjt: sec |
| 19:46.59 | mjt | => bed. |
| 19:47.14 | Doxin | wols_, pqek: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/q9rUhWVB1ZIrbVMaoAD5/ |
| 19:47.57 | wols_ | Doxin: I'd try "touch http://paste.pound-python.org/show/q9rUhWVB1ZIrbVMaoAD5/ |
| 19:48.00 | wols_ | grah |
| 19:48.04 | Doxin | lol |
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| 19:48.06 | wols_ | "touch /etc/init.d/mongod" |
| 19:48.26 | Doxin | and that works |
| 19:48.28 | Doxin | wols_: thanks |
| 19:48.44 | Doxin | (how neat would it be if http was transparent enough to touch files over the intertubes) |
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| 19:49.50 | pqek | wols_: sometimes things are easier to fix than we thought... |
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| 19:59.44 | harovali | Under Wheezy, I put to work with cups a Epson Stylus TX105 inkjet printer. It randomly will print or keep as nothing has been sent to it. Under windows it prints always. I'm suspecting the driver that the installer found, is not working well. It's not a usb cable/olug problem, since the scanner/xsane function works always in linux. I think its a printer driver problem. How can I proceed to solve this ? |
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| 20:06.52 | ziftex_ | Hmm. this will be "funny" need a usb driver from Epson for a interactive whiteboard. and no linux version avaible. |
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| 20:19.00 | petn-randall | ziftex: If there is no free or non-free driver available, you won't get it to run under linux. |
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| 20:19.33 | ziftex | :/ |
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| 20:22.59 | nerder | hello, how can i check if the driver of my video-card are installed correctly? and how can i monitor the temperature? |
| 20:23.09 | icecream | sysvinit and OpenVZ are not the best friends or? |
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| 20:23.39 | Brigo | nerder, do you have graphics? |
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| 20:25.31 | nerder | Brigo, what you mean? is that a software? my video card is Radeon r7 260x |
| 20:26.22 | Brigo | nerder, do you have graphics with a mouse and so or you are on a console, only with a black and white words? |
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| 20:27.01 | nerder | Brigo, nono i'm with graphics, but i wanna monitor temperature for example or stuff like that |
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| 20:27.08 | nerder | as a driver panel display |
| 20:27.16 | Brigo | nerder, gnome or kde? |
| 20:27.30 | nerder | Brigo, gnome |
| 20:27.39 | nerder | gnome3 exaclty |
| 20:28.12 | Brigo | nerder, try to install sensors-applet |
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| 20:29.51 | coinswap-ian | if i have a shell script with 2 commands in it on separate lines, will it wait for the first line (command) to complete before executing the 2nd line? |
| 20:29.52 | nerder | Brigo, installed, but if i run just sensors i can see just the temprature of cpus |
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| 20:30.39 | Brigo | May be there are no more available. You can try another monitor app like conky |
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| 20:33.59 | coinswap-ian | if i have a shell script with 2 commands in it on separate lines, will it wait for the first line (command) to complete before executing the 2nd line? |
| 20:34.58 | oxygen1 | did you put wait command after the 1st one? |
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| 20:35.47 | coinswap-ian | no |
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| 20:36.27 | oxygen1 | im new to scripts still but what i have seen and read it will run all at once |
| 20:36.41 | icecream | Jessie is hot |
| 20:37.07 | eqyiel | coinswap-ian: yes, it will wait, unless you have forked it off with an ampersand |
| 20:37.14 | coinswap-ian | ok thanks |
| 20:37.30 | eqyiel | oxygen1: what wait command? |
| 20:38.01 | oxygen1 | or sleep and how many seconds |
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| 20:49.43 | lawltoad | Hi, I was looking at https://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2014/05/msg00351.html, and I don't really know how to read mailing lists ... has there been nor reply to it? |
| 20:49.48 | lawltoad | **no |
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| 20:51.33 | stockholm | lawltoad: you dont know how to read mailinglists? |
| 20:51.44 | stockholm | what part dont you undstand? |
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| 20:51.54 | jordanm | lawltoad: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=747616 |
| 20:54.08 | lawltoad | stockholm, sorry, I guess there wasn't anything that said "Replies: 0" but there was a next in Thread which seemed to NOT be a discussion of this, so I wasn't sure if I was looking at the right place? or if that was an indication that no one had talked about it yet |
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| 20:54.29 | Cpuroast | I assume converting a machine to Squeeze-LTS will be as simple as changing apt's sources |
| 20:55.27 | lawltoad | jordanm, I saw that... it says message#5. But no idea hot to get to #4 or #6, sorry if these are dumb questions |
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| 21:05.49 | lawltoad | In general, what does it take for something like intellij to make it into debian's packages... is it resistance to the project or just a matter of no one wanting to own it yet? |
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| 21:07.04 | jordanm | lawltoad: since it's just an RFP, no one willing to do the work has taken interest yet |
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| 21:09.28 | lucido | how do I migrate my debian LVM/ext4 install to a new HDD? |
| 21:10.14 | Mousey | pvmove! :D |
| 21:10.17 | Mousey | well, it depends |
| 21:10.56 | lawltoad | jordanm, hmmm, Is there a page I can read up on what kind of work/resposibilities it would entail if I wanted to pick up responsibility |
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| 21:11.14 | wh0ami | hi |
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| 21:11.25 | lawltoad | jordanm, I'm pretty green at that stuff but its worth taking a crack at it |
| 21:11.33 | jordanm | !tell lawltoad about nmg |
| 21:11.35 | wh0ami | how can i install gcc 4.7.2 on debian 6? |
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| 21:13.02 | lawltoad | jordanm, okay, I'll read through it. If I have questions after that should I ask you or just to #debian as a whole? |
| 21:13.32 | jordanm | lawltoad: #debian or #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 21:17.03 | jmcnaught | lucido: http://www.uvm.edu/~fcs/Doc/RedHat/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux-6-Logical_Volume_Manager_Administration-en-US.pdf this guide is pretty helpful. Some of it is redhat specific but the LVM commands all apply to Debian as well. Check the ToC, section 5.4 might be of interest to you. Don't forget to make a backup first! :) |
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| 21:29.09 | lift | If I'm on stable and I want a single package (and maybe it's dependancies) bumped up to unstable, is apt-pinning a good solution if it's not in backports? |
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| 21:30.25 | petn-randall | lift: mixing releases is generally a bad idea, a better aproach is a backport. |
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| 21:30.30 | petn-randall | !tell lift about ssb |
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| 21:30.38 | lift | Package isn't in backports |
| 21:31.29 | petn-randall | lift: Which is why you do it yourself ;). Check what the bot sent you. |
| 21:31.36 | petn-randall | lift: Which package is it specifically? |
| 21:31.40 | lift | Ahh... gotcha |
| 21:31.44 | lift | nzbget |
| 21:32.17 | lift | I was running gentoo on my home box and realized there were only a handful of packages I needed. I also can't leave well enough alone and was constantly rebuilding stuff. |
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| 21:32.38 | lift | I think I spent more CPU cycles compiling than actually doing work, lol. |
| 21:33.26 | petn-randall | That's what the prejudice says, yes ;) |
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| 21:33.53 | lift | Not trying to start a distro war. They're all good ;) |
| 21:34.12 | petn-randall | lift: I agree. Except for Ubuntu. |
| 21:34.14 | petn-randall | ducks. |
| 21:34.24 | lift | agrees |
| 21:34.56 | lift | Gentoo was good to learn it. I can see myself running it on an extra computer just to tinker still. |
| 21:35.09 | petn-randall | ,checkbackport nzbget |
| 21:35.10 | judd | Backporting package nzbget in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libpar2-dev (>= 0.3.1). |
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| 21:35.43 | petn-randall | ,checkbackport libpar2-dev |
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| 21:35.44 | judd | Backporting package libpar2-dev in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 21:36.23 | petn-randall | lift: You'll have to backport libpar2, too, but both look like small packages, so it should be fairly fast. |
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| 21:37.00 | lift | K. I'll mess around when I flip the fileserver over to debian |
| 21:37.18 | lift | can't take it down just yet or the SO will get upset she can't watch her shows |
| 21:37.22 | lift | ;) |
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| 21:38.14 | petn-randall | lift: Better not mess with your SO ;). Better even: Join watching the show! :) |
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| 21:38.46 | lift | Well we're watching through all the Doctor Who (2005)s at the moment, so I watch those too. |
| 21:38.52 | lift | no spoilers! |
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| 21:39.52 | petn-randall | lift: You do that. Come back here if you run into any trouble ;) |
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| 21:39.58 | AndrewMock | Where is the log file for GNOME or X for 7.5? |
| 21:40.07 | AndrewMock | (GNOME 3) |
| 21:40.08 | lift | I'll probably just idle in here forever now. |
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| 21:40.26 | petn-randall | AndrewMock: X has its logfile in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. |
| 21:40.33 | AndrewMock | hmm thx |
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| 21:42.32 | AndrewMock | When it goes to fallback mode on startup, is that where I should look? |
| 21:42.46 | petn-randall | AndrewMock: yep |
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| 21:45.56 | AndrewMock | I think I need to look into the part around line 131, would you agree? http://paste.debian.net/102123/ |
| 21:47.11 | AndrewMock | Something about my driver not having advanced support that is needed |
| 21:49.50 | petn-randall | AndrewMock: Yeah, the vmware driver doesn't have "hardware" acceleration. |
| 21:50.10 | AndrewMock | well could i rebuild it lol |
| 21:50.21 | AndrewMock | i mean Player does |
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| 21:51.40 | AndrewMock | This vmwgfx seems helpful |
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| 22:01.39 | justanotheruser | Pretty much every time I load imgur in chromium the page crashes. And quite a few other websites too. Any fixes? |
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| 22:03.18 | pqek | justanotheruser: clear cache |
| 22:03.19 | pqek | ? |
| 22:04.27 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: disable all extensions? |
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| 22:12.30 | GvP | hello, I'm looking for a current installation guide for steam (not SteamOS) for Wheezy? |
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| 22:18.28 | petn-randall | !steam |
| 22:18.29 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <testing> (non-free); amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
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| 22:26.29 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: no extensions except flash |
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| 22:26.37 | justanotheruser | pqek: didn't fix :P |
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| 22:27.16 | petn-randall | justanotheruser: cannot reproduce. Which version are you running? |
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| 22:27.39 | justanotheruser | Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:28.14 | petn-randall | justanotheruser: The chromium version ... |
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| 22:28.37 | justanotheruser | petn-randall: Version 34.0.1847.132 Debian 7.5 (265804) |
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| 22:28.45 | petn-randall | justanotheruser: 'dpkg -l chromium' should list it ... yeah |
| 22:29.23 | petn-randall | justanotheruser: Doesn't seem current, check if your system is up-to-date. |
| 22:29.39 | petn-randall | Current is 34.0.1847.137-1~deb7u1 |
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| 22:31.08 | justanotheruser | so off by 5 betas? |
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| 22:31.57 | justanotheruser | Would that really be a problem? |
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| 22:33.15 | justanotheruser | runs apt-get upgrade |
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| 22:33.58 | zykotick9 | petn-randall: whenever i see "cannot reproduce" i now think of this http://xkcd.com/583/ |
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| 22:34.54 | petn-randall | zykotick9: Heheh :) |
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| 22:35.57 | justanotheruser | petn-randall: Okay, I'm in ....137 now |
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| 22:37.08 | justanotheruser | And imgur seems fixed... |
| 22:37.47 | justanotheruser | Do you guys have any advice for a misbehaving flash? Basically every video be it youtube or vimeo, etc doesn't play. I can scroll the bar to get a different image, but it doesn't play |
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| 22:38.38 | abrotman | are you sure you're using Adobe Flash? |
| 22:38.45 | justanotheruser | abrotman: yes |
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| 22:39.20 | justanotheruser | and html5 |
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| 22:39.38 | justanotheruser | Both seem to have the same effect AFAICS |
| 22:39.51 | cardiel | justanotheruser: it works good for me, but then im using debian testing |
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| 22:40.06 | abrotman | justanotheruser: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 22:41.17 | justanotheruser | abrotman: update-flashplugin-nonfree: command not found |
| 22:41.20 | justanotheruser | I just copied the .so file to chromium |
| 22:41.42 | justanotheruser | oh and I apt-got it |
| 22:41.42 | justanotheruser | flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version. |
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| 22:42.19 | abrotman | you have to be root |
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| 22:42.35 | abrotman | I don't care what package version you have |
| 22:42.55 | justanotheruser | abrotman: oh silly me |
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| 22:43.24 | Jordan_U | justanotheruser: https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer |
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| 22:43.47 | justanotheruser | abrotman: should it be showing up in my extension list in chromium? |
| 22:44.00 | abrotman | makes sense, right ? |
| 22:44.19 | abrotman | justanotheruser: are you only using Chromium? |
| 22:44.21 | justanotheruser | abrotman: it isn't showing up |
| 22:44.30 | justanotheruser | abrotman: no, but I set it as my default |
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| 22:44.44 | justanotheruser | I'll purge iceweasle and retry, one sec |
| 22:45.22 | abrotman | restart you mean? |
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| 22:45.35 | justanotheruser | abrotman: I don't want iceweasel |
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| 22:45.58 | abrotman | justanotheruser: the Shockwave shows up in both IW and Chromium for me |
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| 22:46.23 | justanotheruser | abrotman: oh, well still no flash in chromium :/ |
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| 22:47.22 | justanotheruser | abrotman: http://hastebin.com/eyayobifon.hs |
| 22:48.04 | abrotman | justanotheruser: chrome://plugins |
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| 22:49.17 | justanotheruser | abrotman: checked always allowed. Videos still weir |
| 22:49.19 | justanotheruser | weird |
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| 22:50.18 | miko1o | why my debian uses 8GB+ of hdd space? |
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| 22:50.30 | miko1o | its just a web browser and lxde |
| 22:50.37 | miko1o | that im using |
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| 22:51.55 | miko1o | how to check what uses so much HDD space? |
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| 22:52.34 | lawr | [23:50] <lawr> I want to find out about non-root users that create themselves on my server [23:50] <lawr> e.g. for different service [23:50] <lawr> for example, nginx makes www-data |
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| 22:52.44 | lawr | [23:51] <lawr> Does www-data account have a password or what? |
| 22:52.53 | lawr | [23:51] <lawr> Can I SSH into it? [23:51] <lawr> I need to edit permissions [23:51] <lawr> and all that juicy stuff |
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| 22:55.02 | nodiscc | lawr: grep www-data /etc/passwd |
| 22:55.15 | nodiscc | will help you find out what shell www-data uses |
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| 22:55.41 | lawr | ok |
| 22:55.53 | nodiscc | normally logging in as www-data is impossble. You should setup SSH keys anyway. Having public facing SSH with PasswordAuth enabled is a bad idea |
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| 22:57.17 | miko1o | now to make debian HDD usage lower? |
| 22:57.20 | miko1o | how* |
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| 22:58.15 | nodiscc | by the way, what's the default shell for www-data on debian? is it /bin/sh ? |
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| 22:58.40 | lawr | nodiscc: yes |
| 22:58.45 | nodiscc | miko1o: you can install iotop and see what processes use high IO |
| 22:59.04 | miko1o | nodiscc, sorry, i meant, how to make it use less hdd space |
| 22:59.15 | miko1o | it uses 8GB of hdd |
| 22:59.19 | nodiscc | is'nt it recommended to change the www-data shell to something non-interactive? like /usr/sbin/nologin ? |
| 22:59.22 | miko1o | and i only need lxde and web browser |
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| 22:59.37 | lawr | nodiscc: no idea |
| 22:59.40 | lawr | I am new |
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| 22:59.55 | nodiscc | mikolo: remove unused packages. or disable installation of recommended packages in APT preferences |
| 23:00.04 | lawr | miko1o: reinstall Debian with a smaller CD iso with LXDE, or uninstall any junk you don't need |
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| 23:00.11 | nodiscc | lawr: that was more a general question to all the good folks on this channel |
| 23:00.26 | miko1o | lawr, but how to check what uses the most hdd space |
| 23:00.36 | miko1o | nodiscc, lawr* |
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| 23:01.04 | nodiscc | miko1o: is it a desktop machine? or a server? |
| 23:01.13 | miko1o | desktop |
| 23:01.39 | nodiscc | miko1o: you can graph disk usage with https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/baobab |
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| 23:01.49 | nodiscc | or ncdu for a command-line alternative |
| 23:01.57 | miko1o | ill use the gui tool... |
| 23:02.25 | nodiscc | miko1o: likely the most disk space is eaten by something in your home directory. |
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| 23:03.16 | miko1o | nodiscc, home is about 1GB |
| 23:03.17 | nodiscc | or if you've been through many many package upgrades, /var/cache/apt/archives/ is full of old cached packages. By default it doesn't autoclean |
| 23:03.28 | nodiscc | check with baobab |
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| 23:03.52 | nodiscc | i mean, check the whole root filesystem |
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| 23:04.57 | dobber | is there an admin to paste.debian.org online ? |
| 23:05.11 | lawr | dobber: Why? |
| 23:05.26 | dobber | wrong paste :( |
| 23:05.37 | revcane | haha |
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| 23:05.58 | lawr | dobber: did you paste confidential information? |
| 23:06.54 | abrotman | doesn't see anything awful |
| 23:06.55 | hatter_ | I am trying tunnel to a vncserver through SSH on localhost which I do a lot, the firewall at the other end when is rejecting outgoing connection to 5901 with a strange destination : 199.101.28.130 - this not me. It is some IP address on the west coast of the states. any clues why it would be doing this ? |
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| 23:13.03 | miko1o | nodiscc, baobab cant access some files |
| 23:13.08 | miko1o | how to run it with root rights |
| 23:13.13 | mikodo | When doing a < aptitude dist-upgrade > from Stable to new Stable, should my /etc/apt/sources.list use the name Stable or can it be the name like "Wheezy", when I move to the stable version of "Jessie" when it becomes Stable? |
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| 23:13.50 | nodiscc | miko1o: sudo baobab in a shell |
| 23:14.08 | miko1o | "No protocol specified" |
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| 23:14.27 | miko1o | Could not open X display |
| 23:14.39 | pupil | mikolo, what DE did you use? |
| 23:14.46 | miko1o | lxde |
| 23:15.02 | miko1o | i mean, im using lxde |
| 23:15.10 | pupil | search in synaptic, "disk usage analyzer" |
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| 23:15.28 | miko1o | but thing is, i can run baobab, just not from console |
| 23:15.59 | pupil | baobab is a GUI tools |
| 23:16.00 | justanotheruser | Can anyone help me with flash player? I have it installed, I've run update-flashplayer-nonfree --install and enabled it in chrome://plugin, but youtube videos still don't work. They don't play, they just show an image wherever I move the time-bar |
| 23:16.31 | miko1o | pupil, but i need to run it with root rights so it can access all files |
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| 23:17.01 | pupil | use gksudo |
| 23:17.09 | linuxuz3r | how do i get the list of internet devices on ubuntu |
| 23:17.32 | pupil | linuxuz3r: what do you mean by internet devices? |
| 23:17.42 | linuxuz3r | eth0 |
| 23:17.45 | linuxuz3r | lo |
| 23:17.50 | linuxuz3r | the network devices |
| 23:18.16 | Asiajey | ip l |
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| 23:18.17 | zykotick9 | pupil: you probably shouldn't be offering support for ubuntu in #d. linuxuz3r ask in #ubuntu. |
| 23:18.31 | pupil | justanotheruser: have you install flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 23:18.54 | justanotheruser | pupil: yes |
| 23:19.02 | pupil | zykotick9: just try to help :) |
| 23:19.09 | justanotheruser | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 23:19.23 | justanotheruser | update-flashplayer-nonfree install |
| 23:19.26 | Asiajey | linuxuz3r: full command "ip link show" |
| 23:19.38 | zykotick9 | pupil: trust me, it doesn't help #debian - this place would be filled with ubuntu users in a day, if they could get support here. |
| 23:19.56 | pupil | flashplugin-nonfree is just a script, it download the real flash plugin from adobe, |
| 23:20.09 | pupil | make sure you are not connected to internet via proxy |
| 23:20.18 | pupil | zykotick9: oh, i see |
| 23:20.24 | ruukasu | for some reason I'm getting this on my debian server: |
| 23:20.24 | ruukasu | E: Unable to locate package nodejs |
| 23:20.27 | Asiajey | linuxuz3r: "ip l sh up" will show devices which up |
| 23:20.34 | ruukasu | but I installed it on my debian laptop 10 minutes ago no problem |
| 23:21.09 | pupil | ruukasu: do they use the same repo?? both updated?? |
| 23:21.38 | ruukasu | pupil, the server is a debian mirror by my vps provider, but I believe it's synced to the primary ones |
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| 23:23.05 | pupil | ruukasu: sorry, i'm not quite understand |
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| 23:23.55 | ruukasu | pupil, my vps provider has a debian mirror in their datacenter to reduce bandwidth usage, but it' identical to regular debian servers to the best of my knowledge |
| 23:24.07 | linuxuz3r | ok thanks |
| 23:24.32 | ruukasu | added the same one as my laptop but stable instead of testing, still not found |
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| 23:25.20 | pupil | ruukasu: so your laptop and your server use the same repo? |
| 23:25.30 | ruukasu | yes |
| 23:25.36 | ruukasu | apt-get updated |
| 23:25.43 | Asiajey | lsb_release -r |
| 23:25.48 | linuxuz3r | how do i search for a section of a manpage |
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| 23:26.07 | zykotick9 | linuxuz3r: if you use ubuntu, ask in the right place #ubuntu |
| 23:26.24 | zykotick9 | Asiajey: don't offer support for ubuntu. or the above happens! |
| 23:26.44 | linuxuz3r | zykotick9, im on debian |
| 23:26.50 | linuxuz3r | sorry will ask in ubuntu |
| 23:27.06 | zykotick9 | 19:17 < linuxuz3r> how do i get the list of internet devices on ubuntu |
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| 23:27.40 | pupil | ruukasu: what is the error again? |
| 23:27.54 | ruukasu | E: Unable to locate package nodejs |
| 23:28.04 | ruukasu | but it turned out the thing that needed it doesn't actually need it |
| 23:28.07 | ruukasu | so nevermind |
| 23:28.11 | ruukasu | still weird though :/ |
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| 23:28.27 | pupil | glad anyway |
| 23:29.01 | themill | nodejs isn't in wheezy |
| 23:29.15 | ruukasu | oh |
| 23:29.18 | ruukasu | that would explain it |
| 23:29.43 | zykotick9 | nodejs does appear to be in wheezy-backports however... |
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| 23:30.23 | pupil | no wonder its version contain dfgs |
| 23:32.27 | zykotick9 | pupil: it's the bpo that tells you it's from packports. the dfsg is "debian free software guidelines" |
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| 23:46.22 | lelo | hey guys! since my last reboot, nvidia changed the rules of the game, it seems... |
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| 23:46.34 | lelo | monitors now have a jointed image, instead of separated images of each other |
| 23:46.52 | lelo | if I open a web browser, it will spread to the other monitor, instead of just taking space in one of them |
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| 23:47.14 | lelo | how can I fix that? I've tried using nvidia-settings, but there doesnt seem to be a toggle for this |
| 23:47.27 | lelo | also, idk how to google for this :P |
| 23:47.48 | lelo | so any help is apreciated :) |
| 23:47.58 | pupil | configure the multidesktop |
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| 23:49.00 | lelo | pupil: how do I do that? :) |
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| 23:49.56 | lelo | pupil: do you mean twinview? |
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| 23:50.13 | pupil | i don't know, i'm a ati user |
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| 23:50.27 | pupil | i mean change the multi desktop setting in you vga |
| 23:50.27 | lelo | pupil: ok... Ill check that up :) |
| 23:50.34 | lelo | pupil: hmm Ic... ty :) |
| 23:53.00 | linuxuz3r | whats a good vnc client? |
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| 23:53.19 | pupil | tigervnc?? |
| 23:53.19 | abrotman | !polls |
| 23:53.20 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 23:58.26 | Arahael | What's a good program for backups? backInTime looks ideal, but it seems to be only a GUI application? (I want console) |
| 23:58.39 | Arahael | rsync and ls is an option, but I'd prefer not to have to write a short script. |
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| 23:58.55 | oscar- | Arahael, what about Bacula? |
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| 23:59.08 | jmcnaught | Arahael: i really like Duply |
| 23:59.15 | pupil | unison?? |
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| 23:59.29 | Arahael | oscar-: I've heard that mentioned before, seems popular and worth a look, thanks for the reference. |
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