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| 00:07.01 | Andrew_Davidson | wash |
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| 00:25.52 | ageis | I can't install ia32-libs or even do a dist-upgrade. somethings fucked up |
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| 00:28.18 | abrotman | ageis: no, that's correct |
| 00:28.30 | ageis | :) |
| 00:28.37 | abrotman | ageis: ia32-libs is dead |
| 00:28.54 | ageis | I heard that |
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| 00:29.21 | ageis | well, i can't install any multiarch packages, how's that |
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| 00:30.44 | d4t | rip ia32-libs |
| 00:30.47 | abrotman | that's different .. |
| 00:31.12 | abrotman | ageis: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 00:31.38 | ageis | i386 |
| 00:32.08 | abrotman | and oyu're running amd64, right ? |
| 00:32.11 | ageis | right |
| 00:32.17 | abrotman | and how are you trying to install foreign packages? |
| 00:32.30 | ageis | apt-get install packagename:i386 |
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| 00:32.41 | abrotman | and you did the apt-get update first? |
| 00:32.58 | ageis | yeah |
| 00:33.16 | ageis | let me just say, I've exhausted everything I could find on Stack Overflow and Debian mailing lists about this |
| 00:33.19 | abrotman | pastebin your sources.list |
| 00:33.28 | abrotman | yeah .. stackoverflow .. wonderful reference there |
| 00:34.19 | ageis | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/YShJGnZH |
| 00:35.08 | abrotman | looks |
| 00:35.09 | ageis | I think it has something to do with the fact that I have some sid and squeeze packages installed (apt-show-versions)...but they aren't many and shouldn't be enough to break this. It says I have held broken packages, but I have no held packages, and no indication of what's breaking it. |
| 00:35.15 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 00:35.58 | abrotman | ageis: pastebin 'apt-get update;apt-get install robotfindskitten:i386' |
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| 00:36.02 | tharkun | ageis: Why run something that is not compiled for your particular chip? Why not just rebuild the package with the apropiate tools? |
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| 00:36.18 | lanodan | ageis: try apt-get install -f |
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| 00:36.36 | lanodan | to correct broken packages |
| 00:36.51 | ageis | lanodan: have obviously tried that |
| 00:37.06 | ageis | tharkun: I'm looking for Wine and libraries needed to run Thunderbird and Firefox |
| 00:37.15 | ageis | and Skype and other stupid shit |
| 00:37.19 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 00:37.23 | ageis | one moment |
| 00:37.56 | ageis | that's not a real package heh |
| 00:38.03 | lanodan | ageis: Thoses programs works on debian... |
| 00:38.47 | lanodan | but for wine you havd only to install wine |
| 00:38.53 | ageis | the binaries from the website are 32 |
| 00:38.53 | lanodan | *have |
| 00:38.58 | abrotman | judd: versions robotfindskitten |
| 00:38.59 | judd | Package: robotfindskitten on i386 -- squeeze: 1.7320508.406-2; jessie: 1.7320508.406-3; sid: 1.7320508.406-3; wheezy: 1.7320508.406-3 |
| 00:39.05 | abrotman | see, it's a real package |
| 00:39.17 | ageis | lanodan: I cannot install wine32. you don't understand. the package manager won't let me |
| 00:39.34 | abrotman | ageis: can I ge tth epastebin .. if you're going to keep playing with the kids, I'll do something productive |
| 00:39.38 | tharkun | !tell ageis about skype amd64 |
| 00:39.45 | ageis | abrotman: odd... Unable to find robotsfindkitten |
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| 00:39.54 | ageis | abrotman: sorry |
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| 00:40.24 | ageis | erm |
| 00:40.25 | backjlack | Is there a reason behind having a debootstrap require sysvinit-core and not allowing systemd-sysv to be installed? |
| 00:40.38 | lanodan | ageis: for wine emulating 32bit windows it's a enviroment variable to set |
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| 00:40.49 | ageis | lanodan: I know |
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| 00:41.05 | abrotman | ... |
| 00:41.07 | ageis | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/SKPX4gZG |
| 00:41.19 | ageis | now you see my problem |
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| 00:42.15 | abrotman | wonders how that says robotfindskitten doesn't exist .. |
| 00:42.27 | ageis | abrotman: it doesn't |
| 00:42.33 | abrotman | you said it .. not me |
| 00:42.40 | ageis | abrotman: I made a mistake copy and pasting your command, okay ? |
| 00:42.42 | abrotman | ageis: apt-get install libc6:i386 |
| 00:43.15 | ageis | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/bACe6WGN |
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| 00:43.34 | ageis | and again, with regards to the last error, I have absolutely NO packages that are marked held |
| 00:44.30 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 00:44.31 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u2; jessie: 2.18-7; sid: 2.18-7; experimental: 2.19-0experimental0 |
| 00:44.42 | abrotman | ageis: you have to remove the libc6 from unstable .. |
| 00:44.56 | abrotman | this is why mixing versions of Debian is bad kids .. |
| 00:44.57 | ageis | abrotman: good call, I just noticed that line |
| 00:45.10 | abrotman | ageis: aptitude might be able to figure it out for you |
| 00:45.53 | ageis | thanks for your help |
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| 00:49.49 | ageis | abrotman: one last thing.. any insights here? http://pastebin.com/hfpFMqZX |
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| 00:50.26 | abrotman | ageis: could you use paste.debian.net instead? |
| 00:50.34 | ageis | I will henceforth |
| 00:50.35 | abrotman | (in the future) |
| 00:51.16 | abrotman | ageis: you are halfway to unstable .. things are cranky |
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| 00:52.16 | ageis | damn |
| 00:52.25 | ageis | gonna be a bitch to downgrade |
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| 00:54.45 | abrotman | ageis: yes |
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| 01:09.22 | rawfodog | Since truecrypt has gone belly up, I was wondering what alternatives are out there for Debian that are very secure/tinfoil hat |
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| 01:13.48 | grimeton | rawfodog: cryptsetup (dm crypt) |
| 01:14.33 | grimeton | or just use openssl to encrypt/decrypt files |
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| 01:14.59 | rawfodog | I would like to make containers, like truecrypt did. Can I do that with crypt setup ? |
| 01:15.23 | grimeton | rawfodog: yeah, it doesn't really care if you encrypt a partition, disk or just a file |
| 01:15.38 | grimeton | rawfodog: problem would be to open those containers on other OSes |
| 01:15.48 | themill | yes, d-i can set up an encrypted volume and you pop lvm with everything inside that and just /boot outside |
| 01:16.22 | rawfodog | might have to read some tutorials |
| 01:16.34 | themill | are you doing this on a new installation? |
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| 01:17.35 | themill | if so, the installer will walk you through it and it all just works https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
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| 01:21.01 | rawfodog | themill, I have full drive encryption, however, I would like to have file containers |
| 01:21.30 | themill | encfs-style? |
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| 01:25.38 | grimeton | rawfodog: dd if=/dev/zero of=./container bs=1M seek=999 count=1 && cryptsetup luksFormat -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 -s 256 ./container && cryptsetup luksOpen ./container container && mkfs.xfs /dev/mapper/container && mount /dev/mapper/container /mnt |
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| 01:27.32 | rawfodog | grimeton, can I change that to sha512 ? |
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| 01:28.51 | grimeton | rawfodog: run cryptsetup --help to see what your system supports |
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| 01:29.19 | rawfodog | ok thanks |
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| 01:32.20 | GazzaBazza | Hi. |
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| 01:33.05 | GazzaBazza | I just bought a VPS running Debian 7.0 x32, what is the best way to secure it? |
| 01:33.41 | _1_Elbriga2 | clone alo um canal Witherspoon iptables |
| 01:33.45 | themill | I assume you don't actually mean x32 but i386. |
| 01:33.54 | grimeton | GazzaBazza: power it down |
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| 01:34.34 | lanodan | GazzaBazza: do not connect it to the internet |
| 01:34.37 | GazzaBazza | Sorry, yeah i386 (32-bit) |
| 01:34.52 | _1_Elbriga2 | close all u can with iptables |
| 01:35.05 | GazzaBazza | Yep, as soon as I bought it, I powered it down :) |
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| 01:35.30 | _1_Elbriga2 | iptables |
| 01:36.02 | GazzaBazza | I'm never used iptables |
| 01:36.06 | GazzaBazza | *I've |
| 01:36.21 | lanodan | GazzaBazza: time to use it |
| 01:36.25 | GazzaBazza | :) |
| 01:36.39 | _1_Elbriga2 | search for iptables firewall .. |
| 01:36.50 | grimeton | iptables != firewall |
| 01:36.50 | GazzaBazza | _1_Elbriga2, cheers |
| 01:36.57 | GazzaBazza | oh? |
| 01:37.50 | grimeton | it's a packet filter. huge difference |
| 01:38.12 | grimeton | GazzaBazza: only install services necessary and disable everything else |
| 01:38.34 | abrotman | dpkg: tell GazzaBazza about harden |
| 01:38.56 | _1_Elbriga2 | But can be used to |
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| 01:39.45 | GazzaBazza | ok |
| 01:40.12 | GazzaBazza | Is there an IRC channel on freenode dedicated to linux security? |
| 01:40.20 | _1_Elbriga2 | close all ports, open only what u need, like ssh |
| 01:41.07 | lanodan | GazzaBazza: configure ssh to disable root auth |
| 01:41.37 | fleish | disable password auth too and use keys |
| 01:41.53 | fleish | I'd even say learn openvpn and not even open the front door to ssh |
| 01:41.59 | GazzaBazza | Holy shit, I might have to buy a book :( |
| 01:42.43 | abrotman | or hire an admin .. |
| 01:42.44 | themill | !debian-handbook |
| 01:42.44 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. |
| 01:43.31 | _1_Elbriga2 | ! debian-rox |
| 01:43.42 | _1_Elbriga2 | ops |
| 01:43.58 | fleish | huh, TIL about the debian-handbook package |
| 01:44.03 | _1_Elbriga2 | !debian-rox |
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| 01:48.05 | abrotman | _1_Elbriga2: feel free to message the bot instead of spamming the channel |
| 01:48.57 | Al3xG0 | i new user linux i need help step to step install my video card radeon hd7970 |
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| 01:53.06 | xeno | Say, is there a shell facility, commonly used, that can take a directory tree content signature/hash/checksum that is independent of dates affected by things like touch? |
| 01:53.55 | abrotman | find . -exec md5sum {} \; ? |
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| 01:54.21 | dvs | -type f |
| 01:54.27 | grimeton | "{}" |
| 01:54.29 | themill | and + |
| 01:54.55 | abrotman | you guys take all the fun out of it |
| 01:55.01 | dvs | heh |
| 01:55.05 | themill | controlling the sort order might be smart too |
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| 02:10.29 | |oop | I r VVPN |
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| 02:46.32 | codepython777 | anyone hanging here who understands speed problems in networks - select vs libev vs ... ? |
| 02:47.16 | abrotman | codepython777: how is this related to Debian? |
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| 03:03.39 | vyadhaka2 | i am running debian as a VM in virtual box in windows and want to use alt+tab to switch between widows in the host, right now it is being interpreted by the guest os, how to make the guest os ignore these key combination |
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| 03:08.56 | pupil | vyadhaka2: you must "inactive" the guest os windows |
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| 03:19.56 | GazzaBazza | I've been told to secure a VPS running debian, that turning off SSH access helps. |
| 03:20.11 | GazzaBazza | But surely if I use a strong password, that makes it secure? |
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| 03:28.07 | Shurtagul | I get the error cannot authenticate the 'ICEauthority' file when i try to log in to gnome. It wont let me get past that. I can log into lxde and openbox, but some things are broken. Iceweasel cant acces the bookmarks because theyre in use, as well as a few other things. |
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| 03:52.26 | Shurtagul | Can anyone help? Ive tried re installing gnome but it still happens |
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| 03:52.45 | w1zman | let me first start off by saying i have a major hangover and i'm trying to download 7.5 or wheezy, i have looked thru every folder on debian sources and i can't seem to find 32 bit iso, every file is 20Mb max :P |
| 03:52.49 | w1zman | where is it |
| 03:53.53 | Shurtagul | wlzman: are you on debian.com |
| 03:54.02 | w1zman | yes |
| 03:54.11 | Shurtagul | click 'getting debian' |
| 03:54.24 | w1zman | lol |
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| 03:54.41 | w1zman | i'm so sorry, alcohol make me both stupid and blind |
| 03:54.48 | w1zman | thanks :) |
| 03:54.53 | w1zman | makes |
| 03:54.59 | Shurtagul | no problem :) |
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| 03:57.45 | worlon | are the stuffs under /var/tmp important? i am getting cp of attributes error in grsync. |
| 03:57.55 | w1zman | btw, strange that debian don't have a bitcoin donation add |
| 03:58.02 | debdude | hi! whats the difference between amd64-gnome-desktop and amd64-standard-desktop? |
| 03:58.30 | w1zman | or heck even a bitcoin system so that i could buy debian stuff |
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| 04:00.09 | pupil | w1zman: what is debian stuff that needs to be bought? |
| 04:00.17 | worlon | should items in /var/tmp be backuped? |
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| 04:02.01 | w1zman | pupil shirts, mugs, posters, mouse pad, stickers... etc |
| 04:02.06 | debdude | hi! whats the difference between amd64-gnome-desktop and amd64-standard-desktop? :) |
| 04:02.36 | pupil | w1zman: oh, i see |
| 04:03.00 | pupil | debdude: where do you find that? |
| 04:03.33 | debdude | pupil: in the 7.5.0-live ftp mirrors |
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| 04:03.46 | debdude | pupil: do you know? |
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| 04:04.15 | pupil | debdude: i don't know, i haven't download debian since 7.1 |
| 04:04.24 | shawnbon206 | w1zman its doge coin now |
| 04:04.26 | debdude | :s |
| 04:04.34 | debdude | how can no one in here know? |
| 04:04.37 | debdude | really weird |
| 04:04.48 | shawnbon206 | know what |
| 04:04.51 | magyar | hi, I setup a dhcpd server on my jessie box on eth0 that has a static ip, every 5 minutes the static IP gets reconfigured to a DHCP lease IP address ??? |
| 04:04.59 | magyar | why is this happening? |
| 04:05.18 | debdude | shawnbon206: the difference between amd64-gnome-desktop and amd64-standard-desktop? :) |
| 04:05.18 | pupil | debdude: download both, install in virtual machine, you'll see the difference |
| 04:05.28 | debdude | pupil: lol |
| 04:05.44 | shawnbon206 | debdude the standard one is a CLI live cd |
| 04:05.47 | shawnbon206 | thats what i use |
| 04:05.59 | debdude | shawnbon206: what does cli mean? |
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| 04:06.06 | shawnbon206 | install with chroot and debootstrap |
| 04:06.20 | pupil | Command Line Interface, plain black and white |
| 04:06.28 | shawnbon206 | if you have to ask then its not for you |
| 04:06.28 | debdude | oh crap |
| 04:06.32 | debdude | i dont want that :p |
| 04:06.44 | shawnbon206 | you are trying to install jessie? |
| 04:06.49 | pupil | shawnbon206: agreed |
| 04:06.53 | debdude | no... 7.5.0 |
| 04:07.06 | w1zman | shawnbon206 usj, doge... bitcoin all the way! |
| 04:07.08 | debdude | 7.5 isnt jessie? :s |
| 04:07.17 | debdude | i want the latest wheezy |
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| 04:07.21 | shawnbon206 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/jessie_di_alpha_1/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 04:07.51 | shawnbon206 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 04:07.53 | debdude | shawnbon206: why are some including firmware and what is the firmware for? |
| 04:08.13 | shawnbon206 | if you need proprietary drivers during install |
| 04:08.18 | shawnbon206 | usually for wifi |
| 04:08.28 | debdude | hmmmm |
| 04:08.59 | shawnbon206 | the two i linked have proprietary drivers included and one is jessie and the other is weezy |
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| 04:09.45 | debdude | shawnbon206: im too afraid to use jessie right now |
| 04:09.56 | debdude | but thanks and bye |
| 04:09.57 | shawnbon206 | why |
| 04:10.07 | shawnbon206 | youll learn faster that way |
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| 04:10.20 | shawnbon206 | it works fine btw |
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| 04:10.49 | shawnbon206 | only a couple of trivial bugs now and then |
| 04:11.15 | linucks_ | hello, is there a way to stop the debian installer attempting to write a uefi fat-16 parition and force it to install the legacy way? I have problems with my uefi and the installer hangs indefinitely at this step |
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| 04:17.55 | Shurtagul | Would it be wise to install debian jessie on PowerPC? |
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| 04:19.11 | Damiox | Hi. I'm running debian from liveusb, trying to find out if my hd which brings up a expresscache ssd will be detected in debian. What am I suppose to check. Maybe fdisk? |
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| 04:21.49 | w1zman | came some one sum up the difference between Qiana and Petra ? Petra is final right ? |
| 04:21.52 | w1zman | can |
| 04:22.34 | acu | does anyone know whether in jessie I need to install qemu-kvm or qemu only - in wheezy I used to install qemu-kvm, but I think kvm is merged in qemu |
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| 04:23.31 | Rusty1 | wrong channel w1zman , try #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
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| 04:24.37 | linucks_ | are none of the testing netinst isos operating on bios rather than uefi? :( |
| 04:24.59 | Shurtagul | acu, I'm not sure, but you could just try to install both. |
| 04:26.24 | w1zman | Rusty1 hahaha so true, damn... |
| 04:26.34 | w1zman | anyways debian is downloading |
| 04:26.35 | w1zman | :) |
| 04:26.46 | w1zman | *goes silent* |
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| 04:27.49 | DanDare | Hi. Is this a joke or something? http://bits.debian.org/2014/02/how-i-can-help-package.html |
| 04:28.01 | DanDare | Unable to find package on Wheezy |
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| 04:28.41 | DanDare | *at least in here |
| 04:29.12 | DanDare | The best joke is: someone willing to help but cant even install the "how-can-i-help" package |
| 04:29.15 | DanDare | hahaha |
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| 04:31.40 | xeno | Say, is there a shell facility, commonly used, that can take a directory tree content signature/hash/checksum that is independent of dates affected by things like touch? |
| 04:31.44 | xeno | I could just take an md5sum of a file listing files with their md5sums, but if there is an existing facility, I'd prefer to use that. |
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| 04:32.11 | xeno | Regarding use of tar, that is problematic because the order ends up being different on different machines. |
| 04:33.22 | xeno | So, really, you need to look up everything in the tree with sorted order but no date / time information, then md5 it, then md5 the list. Basically a messy task where even then I may not be guessing everything, and may need to debug. |
| 04:35.10 | DanDare | xeno, whats the purpose? sanity check for backups or something like this ? |
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| 04:35.21 | Rusty1 | maybe awk + md5sum , but commonly used, that depends |
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| 04:39.00 | xeno | The purpose is to know if a downloaded tree from a site has been modified. |
| 04:39.19 | xeno | The site is very complex, and managed by a menu system. In a word: Wordpress. |
| 04:40.02 | xeno | There are two of us working on the site, and for the time being, my friend has no time to learn git. |
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| 04:40.32 | voxadam | I'm attempting to install mongodb onb a sid box but it fails to start. Does anyone have any thoughts? http://pastebin.com/WN7yqExJ |
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| 04:53.16 | Al3xG0 | i new user linux i need help step to step install my video card radeon hd7970 |
| 04:54.24 | kini | who are the "Utopia Maintenance Team" and do they have an IRC channel or something somewhere? |
| 04:55.00 | jmcnaught | Al3xG0: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 04:56.16 | jmcnaught | Al3xG0: actually you might need to use https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary for that card... the AtiHowto mentions that the open source radeon driver supports up to the HD 6000 series |
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| 05:00.04 | Al3xG0 | jmcnaught is not funcionaly |
| 05:00.10 | Al3xG0 | bug all session |
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| 05:01.30 | jmcnaught | Al3xG0: sorry I'm not sure what you mean. was there a specific part you were having trouble with, or an error that you're getting? |
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| 05:02.33 | Al3xG0 | already tried this guide however works not bug xfce4 |
| 05:04.21 | jmcnaught | Al3xG0: you'll have to be more specific |
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| 05:05.49 | jmcnaught | Al3xG0: are you tring to use fglrx or the open source radeon driver? |
| 05:06.29 | Al3xG0 | jmcnaught i need help install fglx |
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| 05:07.54 | jmcnaught | Al3xG0: did you install fglrx-driver and the linux-headers- package for your kernel? |
| 05:11.51 | Al3xG0 | all installed |
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| 05:12.38 | Al3xG0 | I do not know how to enable active jessie not automatically |
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| 05:13.55 | jmcnaught | Al3xG0: once again I don't understand you. If you're using jessie you might get better help from #debian-next on irc.debian.org. Also if english is not your first language you might try to find a #debian channel for a language you're more comfortable with |
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| 05:16.00 | jmcnaught | Al3xG0: otherwise if you're using Wheezy I'm happy to help, but you need to be more specific than saying it doesn't work. Maybe you could put a copy of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file on http://paste.debian.net for us to look at |
| 05:16.20 | jmcnaught | Al3xG0: also the xorg.conf file you created or modified |
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| 05:18.20 | Damiox | jmcnaught: I'm running Wheezy as live usb bc i'm trying to find out if my harddisk that brings up a stuff called expresscache which is supposed to be a ssd is being recognized in debian wheezy. Do you know how i may find out if this ssd will be recognized just fine? This is a hybrid hd with I think 16 o24gb ssd |
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| 05:19.33 | jmcnaught | Damiox: you could look for it in the output of "lsblk" |
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| 05:20.10 | Al3xG02 | jmcnaught http://paste.debian.net/102505/ |
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| 05:20.19 | Al3xG02 | my xorg log |
| 05:20.31 | Damiox | oh i didnt know that cmd... really good... it says sda:465gb, sdb: 22.4gb, sdc: 7.3gb (this last one is my usb) |
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| 05:22.20 | jmcnaught | Al3xG02: did you install the fglrx-driver package from Debian, or did you download something from the AMD website and install that? |
| 05:22.52 | Al3xG02 | yes |
| 05:22.53 | jmcnaught | Damiox: sounds like sdb might be your expresscache then |
| 05:22.58 | jmcnaught | Al3xG02: which one? |
| 05:23.02 | Al3xG02 | i install .run amd drive |
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| 05:23.53 | Damiox | jmcnaught: yes, when installing debian should i install the os there? i'm not sure how this expresscache stuff works actually |
| 05:24.15 | jmcnaught | Al3xG02: well that's not the way to do it and isn't supported here. Maybe try the AMD support then? Debian has fglrx-driver package in the repositories that is super easy to install. Now that you've run that installer from the AMD website it might be very difficult to remove the files that it has installed |
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| 05:25.29 | jmcnaught | Damiox: i don't know much about them either. I think I saw someone else discussing this with you last night and they suggested that your computer might not be able to boot from that device, in which case you can probably put /boot on the HDD and install the rest of the OS to the SSD (and also have /home on the HDD) |
| 05:26.10 | Damiox | jmcnaught: looks like i should try out and see what happens. |
| 05:26.21 | jmcnaught | Al3xG02: also next time please be more clear with your answers. It's really hard to help people when getting information from them is like pulling teeth |
| 05:26.58 | jmcnaught | Damiox: yeah give it a shot. I hope it works. I wish my computer had something like that :) |
| 05:27.32 | Al3xG02 | have uninstall amd is |
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| 05:27.39 | Al3xG02 | jmcnaught: is easy |
| 05:27.43 | Al3xG02 | i remove now |
| 05:28.08 | horsik | i'm trying to set framebuffer tty |
| 05:28.10 | jmcnaught | Al3xG02: cool, then follow the steps here: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#AMD_Catalyst_12.6 |
| 05:28.38 | horsik | in grub there's right resolution but when kernel boots it changes back to 640x480 |
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| 05:29.15 | Damiox | jmcnaught: I found 2 things about Wheezy. 1) I only see 1 cpu core in top and cpuinfo, is that maybe bc it's a live distro version? 2) I think my video card is not loaded correctly, at least I think youtube is not rendering the video faster enough and I read that Wheezy does not bring the IntelHD4000 graphics drivers that I need. Should I install them from the Intel webpage or try Jessie? |
| 05:32.48 | jmcnaught | Damiox: my advice is to stick to software provided by the Debian repositories. Installing something from the Intel website might conflict with files from debian packages. Unfortunately I don't know anything about that GPU. Also not sure about why it's only showing one core. You could try upgrading to Jessie if you can't get it to work in Wheezy, just understand that it's not finished yet so from time to time there will be stuff that break |
| 05:34.04 | jmcnaught | Damiox: before upgrading to Jessie you could also try using a newer kernel from backports |
| 05:34.46 | Damiox | jmcnaught: this liveusb is kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 05:35.52 | shawnbon206 | damiox do jessie |
| 05:35.58 | shawnbon206 | and use the netinstaller |
| 05:37.09 | vyadhaka2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.22 | shawnbon206 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/jessie_di_alpha_1/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 05:37.51 | Damiox | shawnbon206: is there a "live usb" for jessie? |
| 05:38.08 | shawnbon206 | no |
| 05:38.43 | shawnbon206 | why do you need that? netinstallers are better. you end up with up to date everything the first time |
| 05:39.37 | jmcnaught | i agree that netinstaller is best for installing, but some people like to test with a live-cd before installing just to see if stuff will work |
| 05:39.39 | Damiox | shawnbon206: well... i'm trying it. I didnt uninstall my 'OS'. |
| 05:39.51 | Damiox | jmcnaught: exactly |
| 05:40.13 | shawnbon206 | ah. well you could install to a usb |
| 05:40.24 | jmcnaught | personally i use wheezy at home and it suits me fine, but my hardware is all 3+ years old |
| 05:41.14 | shawnbon206 | i use jessie because it always works and i am impatient for getting the latest hot new ish |
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| 05:41.54 | Damiox | If I go for jessie, which is in testing, once it gets stable, should I change too much stuff in my testing OS (I mean to recognize that it is a stable version now) ? |
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| 05:42.34 | shawnbon206 | nope. just dist-upgrade and pay attention to changes |
| 05:43.07 | jmcnaught | it's also worth noting that Debian backports stuff from newer kernels into the stable kernel.. If you check the last message on this bug report for example, the changelog mentions that drm and agp subsystem were backported from 3.4.29 kernel: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=689268 |
| 05:43.45 | shawnbon206 | for example i have been on jessie since before the decision to switch to systemd. little by little things in gnome 3 started relying more and more on systemd. at one point i had to install systemd to fix something |
| 05:43.58 | shawnbon206 | but that was as simple as apt-get install and reboot |
| 05:44.00 | jmcnaught | Damiox: if you do go with testing just make sure you use "jessie" and not "testing" in your sources.list, otherwise when jessie becomes stable you'll still be using the (new) testing |
| 05:44.17 | Al3xG0 | jmcnaught check http://paste.debian.org/102507 |
| 05:45.13 | jmcnaught | Al3xG0: i think you meant .net :) Also I'm not sure what you've done to get to this point |
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| 05:48.01 | gr33n7007h | Can anyone help me get my bluetooth working, It's not detecting it? |
| 05:50.34 | shawnbon206 | i think Debian is a gateway drug for gentoo |
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| 05:50.50 | jmcnaught | shawnbon206: it was the other way around for me |
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| 05:51.00 | digdilem | shawnbon206, debian is a full class a drug in its own right. |
| 05:51.25 | gr33n7007h | Can anyone help me get my bluetooth working, It's not detecting it? |
| 05:52.05 | jmcnaught | gr33n7007h: no need to repeat, if someone can help they will offer. it would probably help if you provide more details though |
| 05:52.06 | GazzaBazza | can someone say my name |
| 05:52.19 | GazzaBazza | Just testing a nickname highlighting |
| 05:52.38 | gr33n7007h | jmcnaught, What details do you need? |
| 05:52.48 | shawnbon206 | GazzaBazza |
| 05:53.25 | GazzaBazza | Cheers, dam it's not working, I'll goto a support/testing channel, my client is MIRC |
| 05:53.59 | jmcnaught | gr33n7007h: what you've tried, how you know it's not working etc.. |
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| 05:54.50 | gr33n7007h | jmcnaught, hciconfig hci0 up |
| 05:54.56 | Damiox | should I run dist-upgrade from init3? I mean without X running at all? |
| 05:54.58 | gr33n7007h | no output |
| 05:55.18 | jmcnaught | Al3xG0: keep it in the channel please |
| 05:55.30 | shawnbon206 | Damiox if you want, but no need |
| 05:55.45 | Damiox | what happens if it needs to upgrade gnome in that case? |
| 05:55.50 | jmcnaught | gr33n7007h: sorry i'm not sure, i have bluetooth disable in my BIOS because i don't use it. my feedback was more general :) |
| 05:56.14 | shawnbon206 | Damiox log out (to GDM) then log back in |
| 05:56.34 | shawnbon206 | after its done updating |
| 05:57.02 | Al3xG0 | anybody here provides paid support? |
| 05:57.19 | gr33n7007h | jmcnaught, no problem :) |
| 05:57.22 | Damiox | oh ok. it's weird it can be working with an old version temporary |
| 05:57.36 | shawnbon206 | its in the memory |
| 05:57.53 | jmcnaught | gr33n7007h: https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser might help? |
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| 05:58.27 | gr33n7007h | jmcnaught, Thanks I'll take a look |
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| 05:59.50 | Damiox | shawnbon206: in this liveusb version i have in sources.list references to wheezy, if i change them to jessie and try to dist-upgrade... would that be too noob or it might work? Just trying to find a way to test Jessie here |
| 06:00.39 | jmcnaught | Damiox: shawnbon206's suggestion of using the net-installer and installing to a USB stick is a good suggestion |
| 06:00.51 | shawnbon206 | i dunno you could try it. if it locks up that's because your ramdisk ran out. |
| 06:01.12 | Damiox | oh i forgot the ram |
| 06:01.34 | shawnbon206 | just install jessie to a usb stick. boot one usb to run the netinstaller and then have a second USB to install it to |
| 06:02.12 | shawnbon206 | or an external harddrive, |
| 06:02.21 | gr33n7007h | some info for my bluetooth problem http://pastie.org/9237677 |
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| 06:02.34 | Damiox | yes got it, will give it a try... thanks shawnbon206 and jmcnaught for your time |
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| 06:03.08 | jmcnaught | Damiox: have fun :) |
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| 06:09.29 | shawnbon206 | Al3xG0 what gfx card ? |
| 06:10.10 | shawnbon206 | and what have you tried so far |
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| 06:11.34 | shawnbon206 | Damiox if you add a deb-src line for sid to your sources list you can easily backport packages from sid. for example to dodge a bug or vulnerability which has already been fixed upstream |
| 06:12.11 | shawnbon206 | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#How_do_I_backport_a_sid_package_to_testing_or_stable.3F |
| 06:12.30 | shawnbon206 | once you do it once or twice it will be second nature |
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| 06:17.27 | Al3xG0 | shawnbon206 no ati radeon |
| 06:18.26 | shawnbon206 | which one |
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| 06:20.45 | shawnbon206 | Al3xG0 ? |
| 06:21.18 | shawnbon206 | specifically which make/model |
| 06:21.25 | Al3xG0 | hd 7970 |
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| 06:23.15 | shawnbon206 | https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#AMD_Catalyst_12.6 |
| 06:23.22 | shawnbon206 | you see the three steps here? |
| 06:24.01 | Al3xG0 | yes |
| 06:24.08 | Al3xG0 | not funcionaly on jessie |
| 06:24.25 | Al3xG0 | not exist catalyst 12 |
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| 06:24.40 | Al3xG0 | amd disponible 14 |
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| 06:25.24 | shawnbon206 | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/fglrx-driver |
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| 06:26.28 | shawnbon206 | it doesnt work? did you forget to make /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf ???? |
| 06:27.31 | shawnbon206 | those instructions for wheezy will work for jessie. 3 steps, edit sources and add "contrib non-free", install the driver, make the config |
| 06:27.55 | jmcnaught | Al3xG0: https://wiki.debian.org/fr/ATIProprietary en francais peut etre plus facile pour vous? il y a aussi #debian-fr |
| 06:29.12 | shawnbon206 | ^^ |
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| 06:30.12 | Al3xG0 | no exist on jessie /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf no exit |
| 06:30.33 | Al3xG0 | shawnbon206 all module is on |
| 06:30.41 | Al3xG0 | and installed |
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| 06:31.01 | Al3xG0 | But is not running |
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| 06:31.41 | xeno | This appears to work. |
| 06:31.43 | xeno | find www -type f -exec md5sum {} + | awk '{print $1}' | sort | md5sum |
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| 06:32.23 | shawnbon206 | Al3xG0 you have to make that file and edit it |
| 06:32.53 | shawnbon206 | xorg wont automatically detect according to the wiki |
| 06:33.06 | shawnbon206 | so you need to put that config there to tell it to run |
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| 06:34.08 | themill | xeno: if it's important which file has changed, then you might want to avoid just keeping the md5sum at the end like that and use something like diff or comm to spot changes. |
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| 06:36.03 | Al3xG0 | shawnbon206 I did and did not work |
| 06:36.26 | shawnbon206 | you just told me the file didnt exist? |
| 06:36.34 | shawnbon206 | did you make it just now? |
| 06:36.40 | shawnbon206 | if so, reboot |
| 06:36.50 | Al3xG0 | exists |
| 06:36.54 | Al3xG0 | i reboot |
| 06:37.02 | Al3xG0 | is not on |
| 06:37.04 | Al3xG0 | ;/ |
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| 06:40.10 | shawnbon206 | lsmod | egrep 'fglrx|radeon' |
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| 06:42.26 | Al3xG0 | not return anything |
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| 06:45.35 | shawnbon206 | dpkg -l | grep fglrx |
| 06:45.35 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep fglrx |
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| 06:47.27 | Al3xG0 | http://paste.debian.net/102511 |
| 06:48.39 | Al3xG0 | shawnbon206 all this however it does not know how to start |
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| 06:50.09 | Al3xG0 | I do not know how to start |
| 06:50.13 | Al3xG0 | ;/ |
| 06:50.17 | shawnbon206 | grep ""/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* |
| 06:50.24 | shawnbon206 | grep "" /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* |
| 06:50.33 | shawnbon206 | sorry the second one |
| 06:50.39 | shawnbon206 | i forgot the space |
| 06:50.44 | shawnbon206 | paste that |
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| 06:52.00 | Al3xG0 | shawnbon206 is not exist dir |
| 06:52.23 | shawnbon206 | ok that means you didnt make the config |
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| 06:53.08 | shawnbon206 | mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
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| 06:53.37 | Al3xG02 | done |
| 06:53.55 | shawnbon206 | nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf |
| 06:54.13 | Al3xG02 | next |
| 06:54.19 | shawnbon206 | now you need to paste the settings from the wiki page in there |
| 06:54.52 | shawnbon206 | Section "Device" Identifier "My GPU" Driver "fglrx" EndSection |
| 06:54.52 | Al3xG02 | done |
| 06:55.08 | shawnbon206 | those 4 lines^ |
| 06:55.17 | Al3xG02 | ok |
| 06:55.36 | Al3xG02 | save and reboot? |
| 06:55.47 | shawnbon206 | yeah |
| 06:56.41 | Al3xG0 | done |
| 06:57.05 | Al3xG0 | and now? |
| 06:57.13 | shawnbon206 | should work now |
| 06:57.29 | shawnbon206 | grep "" /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/* |
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| 06:57.33 | milligan | Can I add a virtual interface (eth0:0) and use DHCP for it? |
| 06:57.37 | shawnbon206 | run that and paste to me |
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| 06:58.06 | Al3xG02_ | http://paste.debian.net/102514/ |
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| 06:59.04 | Al3xG02_ | Section "Device" |
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| 06:59.35 | shawnbon206 | milligan yes |
| 06:59.47 | Al3xG02_ | I do not have for something there? |
| 07:00.32 | shawnbon206 | auto eth0:0 ; iface eth0:0 inet dhcp |
| 07:00.44 | milligan | shawnbon206, I added it to /etc/network/interfaces . set eth0:0 to auto and dhcp. I also added a hwaddress entry to set the mac for the virtual int. When I try to take it up, it says SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
| 07:01.19 | mjt | are you trying to assign different MAC address to such eth0:0 "interface" ? |
| 07:01.52 | milligan | I tried that, and I tried without assigning a new mac. |
| 07:01.55 | kini | am I allowed to ping bug reports on BTS |
| 07:02.02 | shawnbon206 | Al3xG0 you should be good now. reboot and profit |
| 07:02.36 | mjt | note that things like eth0:0 aren't interfaces, they're named IP ADDRESSES |
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| 07:02.51 | mjt | and an IP address can't hav a MAC :) |
| 07:02.55 | mjt | have* |
| 07:03.00 | formorer | milligan: there is no thing such a "virtual interface" with a colon notation |
| 07:03.05 | shawnbon206 | and if it cant have a mac address it cant dhcp |
| 07:03.18 | mjt | that's not correct shawnbon206 |
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| 07:03.25 | formorer | if you really want a virtual interface you will have to create a tun or tap device. |
| 07:03.31 | mjt | or macvtap |
| 07:03.32 | shawnbon206 | oh :| |
| 07:03.47 | milligan | mjt, does that mean I can't use dhcp for eth0:0 then ? |
| 07:03.49 | themill | kini: what are you really asking here? |
| 07:04.03 | mjt | it is possible to have any number of static ip addresses on one interface and just one dhcp |
| 07:04.22 | milligan | mjt, ok, cheers. That explains it :) |
| 07:04.31 | Al3xG02_ | shawnbon206: is not work |
| 07:04.32 | Al3xG02_ | ;/ |
| 07:04.37 | formorer | and even then colon notation should be avoided. |
| 07:04.47 | mjt | but you can't have more than 1 dhcp because dhcp works by mac address, and mac address is a single property of an interface |
| 07:04.53 | kini | themill: no hidden meaning, I just want to know if I'm allowed to ping bug reports on BTS, and if so, how long should I wait before doing so |
| 07:05.24 | mjt | any1 is allowed by default |
| 07:05.25 | themill | kini: bug reports aren't sorted by activity. |
| 07:06.08 | themill | kini: if there's nothing new to add to a bug report, then there's nothing to add. If there's new information or a patch or a new upstream version that fixes the problem, then by all means, please forward this information to the bug |
| 07:06.10 | shawnbon206 | Al3xG0 check lsmod |
| 07:06.19 | shawnbon206 | is fglrx loaded? |
| 07:06.36 | Al3xG0 | no |
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| 07:07.56 | mjt | i do have several ip addresses assigned by dhcp on my external interface (my isp allows up to 5 ip addresses). But it took me a while to figure out how to do that. I had to use macvtap interfaces on eth0 |
| 07:08.25 | sandman13 | I am getting this error while mounting disks in Debian 7 KDE: An error occurred while accessing '206.9 GiB Hard Drive', the system responded: An unspecified error has occurred.: Authentication is required |
| 07:08.33 | sandman13 | I am on sudoers list |
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| 07:09.06 | sandman13 | the last thing i remember doing is removing (purging) gnome and installing KDE |
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| 07:09.38 | mjt | sandman13: it has nothing to do with sudoers really (you're using a gui for that). You can, however, sudo mount it |
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| 07:09.52 | milligan | Do'H! "ifdown eth0" instead of ifdown eth0:0 .. and I'm sitting remotely.. hehe |
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| 07:10.10 | sandman13 | mjt: no I don't want to do that |
| 07:10.24 | shawnbon206_ | Al3xG02_: dpkg -l linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') |
| 07:10.56 | themill | sandman13: how did you install kde |
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| 07:12.05 | sandman13 | themill: sudo apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop |
| 07:12.39 | themill | so that will drag in udisks but I suspect it will miss polkit-kde-1. You may want to just install kde-standard |
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| 07:13.49 | al3xg02 | shawnbon206: http://paste.debian.net/102516/ |
| 07:14.08 | sandman13 | themill: I have same package installed before, but without problems, it readily mounted disks after asking for permission |
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| 07:15.49 | mdmyr | hi, i cannot understand something. is it possible to install vagrant with apt using ruby from rvm ¿? |
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| 07:16.45 | al3xg02 | shawnbon206: is correct kernel module? |
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| 07:19.04 | al3xg02 | http://paste.debian.net/102518/ |
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| 07:20.04 | kini | themill: honestly I am beginning to doubt whether anyone has even read my mails. I have not received a single response to any of my emails from anyone on bugs.debian.org since I started using debian several months ago. I thought pinging the issue might help, that's all. |
| 07:20.04 | kini | It's not like I've written some incoherent bug report like "it doesn't work". I included logs and in one case some quite lengthy analysis and debugging of the problem. Surely it's natural to hope for a response of some kind after taking the time to prepare a bug report, even if it is just "I'll look at it later" or "won't fix" |
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| 07:21.06 | andhoy_ | "Resolving dependencies" takes forever. And after a long time resolving, it exits saying "Killed". How should I fix? |
| 07:21.37 | kini | or is complete silence for months a normal response to a bug report in this community? |
| 07:21.50 | formorer | depends. |
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| 07:23.42 | andhoy_ | oh, wait - I got it :) |
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| 07:26.19 | kini | this isn't about discussions tailing off and becoming dormant after a while, it's nobody bothering to respond ever since the bug was created, except other users saying "me too" and adding information |
| 07:26.20 | kini | usually when I write bug reports what I'm hoping to do is help to fix the problem by offering to perform further troubleshooting or information gathering as necessary |
| 07:26.20 | kini | is that not the expected role of a bug reporter in debian? |
| 07:28.22 | kini | if that's the case, i.e. if by reporting a bug one is not actually able to help fix it, then it seems like the incentive to report bugs is highly reduced (at least among people who have the facility to help with a solution) |
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| 07:31.25 | kini | maybe that's just how it is in a community where the average bug reporter is not a developer. Sad... |
| 07:31.25 | kini | I want to help, but if nobody answers my emails, there's not much I can do |
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| 07:32.14 | kini | apparently nobody wants to answer my messages on IRC either ;) |
| 07:32.42 | tugrik | morning kini |
| 07:33.02 | kini | hi tugrik |
| 07:33.05 | tugrik | I'm not in this channel very often, but I *think* most of the participants are in US timezones |
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| 07:33.16 | tugrik | that might be why you're not getting an answer |
| 07:33.30 | kini | I suppose. It's just past midnight here on the US west coast |
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| 07:34.21 | tugrik | and yes, in the past I've found developers reasonably unresponsive - but I don't know if that's just the sheer weight of running an OS in their spare time ;) |
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| 07:35.25 | fishsponge | hello! I've just updated my debian box (not updated XFCE), but it's updated chrome and the linux-headers etc... now i've opened up chrome and clicked "Use system title bar and borders", there is no title bar and borders... but there is on all other apps... any idea how to fix this?? |
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| 07:35.50 | kini | There are plenty of linux distributions which are also run by people in their spare time, but whose bug trackers don't have this air of death around them |
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| 07:36.02 | fishsponge | also, when I click on the three-line menu at the top right, it has no icons at all... |
| 07:36.06 | formorer | you should maybe give some eamples. |
| 07:36.14 | kini | especially distributions whose main user base is programmers |
| 07:36.19 | fishsponge | what examples should I give? |
| 07:36.24 | formorer | bugnumbers. |
| 07:36.33 | fishsponge | i don't know of any bug numbers... |
| 07:36.41 | kini | formorer: you're talking to me? |
| 07:36.51 | formorer | kini: ehm yes, sorry. |
| 07:37.23 | kini | here's one https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=739587 |
| 07:37.47 | fishsponge | just again... I've just updated my debian box (not updated XFCE), but it's updated chrome and the linux-headers etc... now i've opened up chrome and clicked "Use system title bar and borders", there is no title bar and borders... but there is on all other apps... any idea how to fix this?? |
| 07:37.47 | kini | I found this bug and wrote up this bug report before I even finished installing debian (because I encountered the bug while installing debian) |
| 07:37.48 | fishsponge | also, when I click on the three-line menu at the top right, it has no icons at all... |
| 07:37.56 | kini | three months later, silence |
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| 07:39.21 | formorer | the installer team is understaffed, I am pretty sure they would like to have some help. |
| 07:40.09 | tugrik | yeah kini, I think it's down to lack of people - that's a well written report afaict |
| 07:40.16 | kini | here's another one https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=732391#10 |
| 07:40.16 | kini | five months since the original submitter submitted the bug, and two months since I submitted an hour's worth of logs and offered to personally help troubleshoot the problem, and asked a simple question about the bug itself |
| 07:40.16 | kini | silence here as well |
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| 07:41.04 | kini | this one is particularly bad because it basically makes network manager completely unusable for me when on the particular network in question |
| 07:41.04 | kini | I could have just thrown my hands up, uninstalled network manager, and run wpa_supplicant directly (which works completely fine) |
| 07:41.11 | formorer | Tags: upstream |
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| 07:41.49 | tugrik | tbh kini, I've almost always gone down the "uninstall network manager" route - but yes, I see your point |
| 07:41.50 | kini | instead I endured three months of 40% total network downtime 9 to 5 in the hopes that soon someone would take me up on my offer to help troubleshoot the problem |
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| 07:42.00 | kini | but complete silence |
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| 07:42.24 | kini | <formorer> Tags: upstream |
| 07:42.33 | kini | yes, my question was asking why that tag was on the ticket |
| 07:42.46 | kini | you seem to know, maybe you can send a mail to that bug and answer my question :P |
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| 07:43.43 | formorer | kini: packages like the installer and network-manager generate an enormous amount of bug reports. I can understand maintainers that prefer to do some work on a package instead of answering every question |
| 07:44.26 | kini | and why do they generate an enormous amount of bug reports? just foot traffic? |
| 07:44.33 | kini | are a large number of the bug reports for those packages spurious? |
| 07:44.42 | kini | or are the packages just really buggy? |
| 07:44.49 | formorer | because everyone uses the installer and network-manager is a standard package. |
| 07:45.04 | fishsponge | just again... I've just updated my debian box (not updated XFCE), but it's updated chrome and the linux-headers etc... now i've opened up chrome and clicked "Use system title bar and borders", there is no title bar and borders... but there is on all other apps... any idea how to fix this?? |
| 07:45.04 | fishsponge | also, when I click on the three-line menu at the top right, it has no icons at all... |
| 07:45.13 | formorer | (and network-manager has a lot of bugs) |
| 07:45.23 | kini | why is network-manager a standard package if it has never had less than 120 open bugs at any time in the past year? http://qa.debian.org/data/bts/graphs/n/network-manager.png |
| 07:45.41 | jmcnaught | fishsponge: someone will help you if they can, no need to repeat every few minutes |
| 07:45.46 | peetaur2 | all network-manager bugs are solved with one step: apt-get remove network-manager |
| 07:46.02 | kini | that doesn't help anyone who's stuck using it |
| 07:46.04 | formorer | fishsponge: you can't |
| 07:46.09 | kini | which is the majority of users if it's a standard package |
| 07:46.12 | formorer | kini: ask the gnome people. |
| 07:46.18 | formorer | kini: they made it mandatory. |
| 07:46.24 | fishsponge | ok... the only reason i'm repeating is that people might turn up and not look too far up the list of comments... so I guess I'll wait... it's quite urgent because I need to get on with stuff... |
| 07:46.27 | nkuttler | kini: some things are just impossible to debug remotely. if the submitter doesn't provide enough info nothing can be done |
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| 07:46.50 | kini | nkuttler: then wouldn't it be courteous to reply to the bug report and say that, instead of just ignoring it? |
| 07:46.50 | fishsponge | formorer, so you're saying there's no way to fix this... correct? |
| 07:47.00 | kini | or at least ask for specific further information? |
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| 07:47.09 | nkuttler | kini: feel free to offer the maintainer your help |
| 07:47.11 | tugrik | kini - fair point, I didn't realise it was that embedded in gnome |
| 07:47.11 | formorer | fishsponge: recent chrome moved to aurora, their own toolkit. |
| 07:47.37 | fishsponge | formorer, i've just gone from version 34 and version 35... |
| 07:47.40 | kini | nkuttler: I did exactly that in my message to the bug tracker |
| 07:47.44 | kini | "I'd be happy to help the network-manager maintainer or upstream devs try to troubleshoot my issue, as it is highly replicable on my system (it happens constantly every couple of minutes and has done so for weeks now)." |
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| 07:47.47 | kini | no response whatsoever |
| 07:48.12 | formorer | fishsponge: exactly, 35 did the move. |
| 07:48.38 | nkuttler | kini: well, start sending patches... many people say they'd like to help |
| 07:48.40 | fishsponge | formorer, does that mean version 34 was the old version of something else, and 35 is definitely now a completely different version based on aurora - correct? |
| 07:48.50 | nkuttler | kini: fwiw, work with upstream |
| 07:49.07 | formorer | its called aura, aurora was firefox (my fault). but yes. |
| 07:49.23 | kini | nkuttler: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting specifically says "Don't file bugs upstream" |
| 07:49.33 | formorer | fishsponge: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/aura/aura-overview |
| 07:49.34 | nkuttler | kini: the bug was tagged "upstream" |
| 07:49.41 | kini | yes, why? |
| 07:49.53 | kini | it wasn't tagged as that by the maintainer |
| 07:49.56 | fishsponge | formorer, so does that mean version 34 was the old version of something else, and 35 is definitely now a completely different version based on aurora - correct? |
| 07:49.56 | kini | it was tagged as that by the submitter |
| 07:49.58 | nkuttler | kini: because the maintainer thinks it's not a problem with the package, but with upstream |
| 07:50.01 | fishsponge | *aura |
| 07:50.04 | kini | ^ |
| 07:50.05 | nkuttler | kini: i see |
| 07:50.17 | kini | as far as I can tell the maintainer hasn't done anything whatsoever to this bug |
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| 07:50.45 | nkuttler | kini: so what are you going to do about it? |
| 07:51.07 | kini | start violating https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting and talking to upstream, I guess. |
| 07:51.08 | kini | it's a shame |
| 07:51.26 | fishsponge | formorer, so does that mean version 34 was the old version of something else, and 35 is definitely now a completely different version based on aura - correct? |
| 07:51.39 | kini | they were reasonably responsive on IRC a few minutes ago when I reported a segfault in `nm-connection-editor` |
| 07:51.46 | kini | (which ironically seems to be debian-specific) |
| 07:52.01 | nkuttler | kini: i think the don't bug upstream thing is specifically aimed at clueless people, so that upstream doesn't get bothered with packaging issues |
| 07:52.03 | formorer | fishsponge: the base of chrome is still webkit, but the graphical toolkit switched to something new (it was gtk-3 before) |
| 07:52.36 | kini | nkuttler: then I guess conversely non-clueless people should just avoid BTS altogether since it's swamped with clueless people? |
| 07:52.40 | kini | is that the message I'm supposed to take away? |
| 07:53.00 | nkuttler | kini: now you just sound bitter. if that's the message you want to hear, be my guest |
| 07:53.05 | formorer | fishsponge: ok, webkit is also not that right. chrome forked webkit into its own thing a few months ago |
| 07:53.09 | tugrik | BTS? |
| 07:53.11 | kini | I didn't mean the maintainers obviously |
| 07:53.15 | fishsponge | formorer, so do you know how I can sort it out to get the "system title bar and borders" |
| 07:53.17 | fishsponge | ? |
| 07:53.29 | formorer | fishsponge: afaik it isn't possible anymore. |
| 07:53.39 | fishsponge | formorer, OK... thanks for letting me know... |
| 07:53.53 | kini | <formorer> kini: packages like the installer and network-manager generate an enormous amount of bug reports. I can understand maintainers that prefer to do some work on a package instead of answering every question |
| 07:53.53 | kini | I assumed that this meant "spurious bug reports", not an enormous amount of actual valid bug reports |
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| 07:53.59 | formorer | kini: in my eyes (as a maintainer of ~40 packages) I prefer bugs that a clearly not debian specific being filed on upstreams tracker. |
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| 07:54.20 | fishsponge | i have 9 desktops on my debian box and often put this particular chrome window on all desktops, but i don't know how to do that any more! |
| 07:54.29 | fishsponge | formorer, ^^ |
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| 07:56.03 | kini | formorer: fair enough. But how can I, not being the maintainer of the package in question, tell whether a problem is clearly not debian specific? |
| 07:56.12 | fishsponge | formorer, i have 9 desktops on my debian box and often put this particular chrome window on all desktops, but i don't know how to do that any more! |
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| 07:56.37 | kini | for example the segfault I just found in nm-connection-editor is probably debian specific, according to someone in #nm, but I doubt I could have guessed that from the shape of the problem |
| 07:56.52 | kini | (nm-connection-editor segfaults when I try to import OpenVPN config files) |
| 07:56.55 | nkuttler | kini: you don't have to. the maintainer can just do that for you when you report the bug |
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| 07:57.17 | kini | nkuttler: except they don't even say a single word in response to my bug reports, which is my whole problem in the first place |
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| 07:57.34 | nkuttler | kini: is the bug you linked to your bug? |
| 07:57.55 | kini | I linked to one that was my bug and one that was someone else's bug that I commented on |
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| 07:58.10 | nkuttler | kini: so which one is yours? |
| 07:58.12 | kini | my bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=739587 ; someone else's bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=732391#10 |
| 07:58.22 | kini | (not the network-manager one) |
| 07:58.41 | kini | though soon I'll be reporting a network-manager bug (the segfault I found) |
| 07:58.56 | kini | let's see if I'm lucky and get a response this time :) |
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| 07:59.18 | nkuttler | kini: yes, this sucks. try the -devel mailing list i guess, more eyes there |
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| 07:59.59 | trewas | kini: that packaging team is handling network-manager, dbus, udisks, upower, avahi, etc, which means a lot of packages installed on every desktop, they obviously should answer to bug reports but there are very many of them, probably often hardware specific |
| 08:00.05 | kini | nkuttler: what do you suggest? Just a mail saying "please look at these poor neglected bugs"? |
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| 08:00.39 | nkuttler | kini: actually, if you have a problem with the installer, try the #debian-boot channel on oftc first |
| 08:00.50 | kini | nkuttler: I did, in fact |
| 08:01.07 | nkuttler | kini: and their mailing list? |
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| 08:01.17 | kini | someone in there said they'd look at my bug once they got back from vacation a few days from then |
| 08:01.22 | kini | of course, that was three months ago, haha |
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| 08:01.35 | kini | I tried pinging them on IRC today, no answer |
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| 08:02.08 | kini | nkuttler: I did not send anything to their mailing list, no, but BTS did |
| 08:02.15 | kini | New Bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to Debian Install System Team <debian-boot@lists.debian.org>. (Thu, 20 Feb 2014 08:03:06 GMT) |
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| 08:02.56 | nkuttler | kini: well obviously you didn't get the attention you want from that |
| 08:03.28 | kini | indeed I didn't |
| 08:03.57 | kini | honestly I'm more concerned about the network manager bug though - it seems more hardware-specific and environment-specific, so I can actually provide some useful help that not many other people could |
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| 08:04.12 | formorer | fishsponge: ok, there are a bunch of bugs about this problem in the chrom(ium) bugtracker. with the unstable channel (the development version) of google-chrome I was able to bring back those system bars. |
| 08:04.16 | kini | whereas for the installer bug, the code is obviously just broken (as I pointed out in great detail in my bug report) so anyone should be able to replicate it easily |
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| 08:07.29 | kini | anyway I should probably get to bed, got work in the morning. Thanks for listening to my grumbling, formorer, nkuttler, trewas, tugrik :) |
| 08:07.53 | kini | Maybe I will try mailing -devel in the morning, though it seems sort of spammy to me (more so that pinging the bug anyway) |
| 08:07.57 | kini | but good night for now! |
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| 08:28.49 | autrilla | Either my USB drive or UNetbootin is very slow |
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| 08:29.14 | autrilla | Gosh, half an hour to copy a 4GB ISO and 43% done |
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| 08:32.45 | Arahael | Where can I get npm? (Part of node, installed from wheezy-backports but it doesn't contain npm) |
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| 08:34.04 | Arahael | Nevermind, I'll just compile it myself. |
| 08:34.06 | formorer | package npm, which isn't available in stable. |
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| 09:06.47 | Twinkletoes | I can use the date command to return a string for "yesterday" and other dates, but is there a builtin way of returning "1,2,3,4,5,6,7 days ago" (ie. all of them, not just one)? |
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| 09:08.16 | Walex2 | Twinkletoes: builtin to what? |
| 09:08.32 | Twinkletoes | Walex2: the date command? |
| 09:08.50 | Walex2 | Twinkletoes: then 'man date' will tell you :-) |
| 09:08.53 | Twinkletoes | Walex2: or do I have to issue a date command for each specific date in the range? |
| 09:09.15 | Twinkletoes | Walex2: I can't find it on man date, but man date doesn't contain some info I've found about it anyway |
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| 09:10.28 | Walex2 | sometimes wonders if some questions are real or just ways of waste time |
| 09:10.42 | voxadam | I'm attempting to install mongodb onb a sid box but it fails to start. Does anyone have any thoughts? http://pastebin.com/vYCP11DB |
| 09:10.53 | Twinkletoes | Walex2: What's eating you pal? |
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| 09:11.58 | Twinkletoes | Walex2: I'm grepping a bunch of log files, and want to fnd JUST the last 7 days worth of entries. I can find one specific day with the dat command, but I don't know how to match a range of dates [easily]. It's a fair enough question, yes? |
| 09:12.12 | Walex2 | voxadam: questions about 'testing' or 'unstable' should happen in #Debian on 'irc.debian.org' not on Freenode. |
| 09:12.50 | voxadam | Walex2: Thanks. I wasn't aware. I wasn't even aware of irc.debian. |
| 09:13.02 | mjt | it is actually oftc |
| 09:13.22 | mjt | and there's also #debian-next in there |
| 09:13.33 | Walex2 | voxadam: questions about 'testing' or 'unstable' should happen in #Debian-next on 'irc.debian.org' not on Freenode. |
| 09:13.51 | Walex2 | mjt: ah yes thanks I forgot the "-next" |
| 09:13.58 | voxadam | Walex2: Are you a bot? |
| 09:14.19 | Walex2 | Walex2: am I a bot? |
| 09:14.41 | voxadam | Nevermind. |
| 09:14.43 | Walex2 | Walex2: self referential question detected. rebooting |
| 09:14.55 | voxadam | :) |
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| 09:15.49 | Walex2 | the inverse Turing test: how can to prove to someone over IRC to be an AI and not a real person :-) |
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| 09:16.40 | Walex2 | Twinkletoes: Ideally you should have asked your original question first... |
| 09:16.53 | Twinkletoes | Walex2: Ok, fair enough - I'm almost there.... |
| 09:17.06 | Twinkletoes | Walex2: zgrep -h "Ban" /var/log/fail2ban.log* | grep $(date +"%Y-%m-%d" --date="7 days ago") -A all |
| 09:17.09 | Walex2 | Twinkletoes: the answer is that there is no easy direct way to 'grep' by a range of dates. |
| 09:17.25 | Twinkletoes | Walex2: THe only thing that fails is that "-A all" isn't valid |
| 09:18.33 | Walex2 | Twinkletoes: you are giving yourself the answer to a different question... You are assuming the file to be already sorted in data order. |
| 09:18.38 | Walex2 | Twinkletoes: you are giving yourself the answer to a different question... You are assuming the file to be already sorted in dat*e* order. |
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| 09:20.17 | Walex2 | Twinkletoes: the proper way to select all entries between two dates would be a little Perl or similar script that converts the two dates to time_t values, the dates on the lines to time_t too, and then compare them arithmetically. |
| 09:20.47 | Twinkletoes | Walex2: hmm... if that's the proper way, it's answered my question, thank you :) |
| 09:20.55 | Twinkletoes | runs a mile |
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| 09:23.36 | Walex2 | Twinkletoes: that's not too hard... It is a one liner :-) |
| 09:23.44 | Walex2 | a long one liner :-) |
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| 09:24.02 | Twinkletoes | Walex2: It hurts... but this works... zgrep -h "Ban" /var/log/fail2ban.log* | sort | grep $(date +"%Y-%m-%d" --date="1 day ago") -A 999999 |
| 09:24.25 | Twinkletoes | Walex2: (except I'll use "7 days ago" |
| 09:24.31 | autrilla | Oh gosh. The HDD install gets a LOT of unnecesary packages |
| 09:24.33 | Walex2 | Twinkletoes: conversely you can ensure that a file is sorted in date order with 'msort' with the proper options. 'sort' cannot sort in date order. |
| 09:24.35 | autrilla | Like postgres and more |
| 09:24.41 | Twinkletoes | Walex2: msort, ah |
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| 09:32.28 | Walex2 | Twinkletoes: you can do the date-to-seconds conversion in shell too... |
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| 09:42.02 | zh | is there an official debian sources list generator |
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| 09:44.14 | jpinx | dpkg: sources.list |
| 09:44.15 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 09:44.26 | jpinx | zh: ^^^ |
| 09:45.01 | zh | generator |
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| 09:46.41 | zh | jpinx, saw this one but looks not up to date http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-sources-list-generator.html |
| 09:47.50 | jpinx | I'm cloning my wheezy from sda5 to sda1 How can I be sure that the links to /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae and boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae are pointing at the right ones ? |
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| 09:48.34 | jpinx | dpkg: apt-spy |
| 09:48.35 | dpkg | a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
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| 09:48.52 | jpinx | zh: ^^^ |
| 09:49.22 | autrilla | My computer tells me no OS is on the USB drive after writing the ISO with Unetbootin... |
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| 09:50.23 | zh | autrilla normally i use dd to write like dd if=isoName.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 09:50.31 | autrilla | zh, I'm on windows :/ |
| 09:50.49 | zh | upsie |
| 09:50.51 | jpinx | autrilla: this is debian support ;) |
| 09:51.00 | autrilla | jpinx, I know ;) |
| 09:51.23 | peetaur2 | jpinx: usually you just need to make sure you are using UUID or something unique in fstab, then chroot into the one you want updated, and run update-initramfs -u and update-grub. |
| 09:51.24 | autrilla | And I'm writing _DEBIAN_ to a USB |
| 09:51.50 | jpinx | peetaur2: ah :) thanks |
| 09:52.07 | zh | autrilla this is not the right channel but you can use win disk imager |
| 09:52.24 | autrilla | zh, I'm trying with that now. Unetbootin is also awfully slow |
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| 09:52.49 | peetaur2 | jpinx: and you can try update-grub also ... I'm not sure when it is necessary |
| 09:52.59 | zh | and dont use winblows |
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| 09:53.34 | peetaur2 | uses winblows in a gpu passthrough VM |
| 09:54.00 | autrilla | zh, I need the Adobe suite for my job. |
| 09:54.27 | peetaur2 | file a bug report with adobe... tell them they should use GTK |
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| 09:55.06 | zh | autrilla there are alternatives |
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| 09:55.24 | autrilla | zh, no, there are not. GIMP is not an alternative for PS |
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| 09:56.43 | zh | gimp is better |
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| 09:57.06 | autrilla | That's you're oppinion |
| 09:57.09 | autrilla | your* |
| 09:57.31 | autrilla | opinion* |
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| 09:58.05 | autrilla | Photoshop works better for my job. Maybe GIMP works best for yours. How about you use GIMP and I use Photoshop? |
| 09:58.16 | autrilla | And let each other live in peace? |
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| 09:59.36 | zephos_55 | If you can use GIMP that's fine, but it wouldn't be suitable for a professional designer. The workflow is too slow/limited, and editing is generally destructive |
| 10:00.29 | zh | http://pixlr.com/ |
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| 10:01.21 | pdvyas | peetaur2: interesting, which hypervisor do you use? Does it support intel cards? |
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| 10:01.52 | peetaur2 | pdvyas: linux kvm, it works with anything normally, but not all without issues |
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| 10:02.14 | peetaur2 | pdvyas: here's the best howto for it https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=162768 |
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| 10:05.33 | _Sayf1 | Ohai ! |
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| 10:12.21 | fishsponge_ | hello! is there any way for a script or whatever to detect when i've moved to another desktop in XFCE? |
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| 10:14.28 | Zzeiss | thingiverse? |
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| 10:18.30 | pdvyas | peetaur2: Thanks! |
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| 10:20.25 | tugrik | fishsponge_: good question |
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| 10:20.59 | tugrik | have you googled for that, it feels like something there's bound to be a solution for, and that someone has found already |
| 10:21.12 | fishsponge_ | i've been googling it for ages, and struggling to find the answer... |
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| 10:22.57 | tugrik | sorry, all I can offer is that's an interesting problem - I'll let you know if I think of anything... although I'm not an XFCE user |
| 10:23.18 | fishsponge_ | OK, thanks for the help anyway! :-) |
| 10:23.22 | pdvyas | peetaur2: that thread deserves a place in the Archlinux wiki |
| 10:23.54 | peetaur2 | pdvyas: hehe yes, it's a wiki sort of thing and valuable info... not only a forum discussion |
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| 10:25.22 | gr33n7007h | fishsponge_, wmctrl maybe and some bash libnotify |
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| 11:01.35 | Jegeva | @search pavillon noir |
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| 11:15.40 | aswen | hi there, who wants to help me finding my mistakes in preseed file: http://paste.debian.net/102542/ ? |
| 11:15.47 | doublehp | after mkfs.ext4 on a 4G partitions, i see 150M used; why so much ? almost 4% for FS ? |
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| 11:18.16 | aswen | doublehp, isn't that reserved space? |
| 11:18.27 | peetaur2 | doublehp: maybe it's reserved and not "used" dumpe2fs -h /dev/sda??? | grep -i Reserved |
| 11:18.28 | doublehp | no; i passed -m0 |
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| 11:19.39 | aswen | ah. then another logical explanation is that a filesystem needs some room for inode tables |
| 11:20.01 | doublehp | peetaur2: |
| 11:20.02 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/6JR3yb0j |
| 11:20.14 | nath | does anyone here know a good doc (a bit more detailed then man page) about minidlna? or some IRC support channel? cheers, Nath |
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| 11:20.40 | Herdir | Hi everyone |
| 11:20.44 | doublehp | aswen: i don't need inodes on this disk; it will never contain more than 500 files |
| 11:21.08 | Herdir | I'd like to download the last stable version of debian but there is too much iso ... |
| 11:21.25 | doublehp | aswen: i had the inode issue when installing gentoo on a 2G disk: portage tree uses many files, and the inode table ran out of space |
| 11:21.34 | peetaur2 | doublehp: your link shows a pic of a cat on a laptop :D |
| 11:21.43 | doublehp | not the case here; so if i could save 100M, i can reformat |
| 11:22.12 | doublehp | peetaur2: no, my link i really a paste; i double checked |
| 11:22.14 | peetaur2 | doublehp: reload eventually showed yes you have 0 reserved |
| 11:22.22 | peetaur2 | doublehp: it was a downtime page of some sort |
| 11:22.32 | aswen | doublehp, you don't need inodes? |
| 11:22.43 | aswen | Herdir, consider the netinst image? |
| 11:22.47 | doublehp | Herdir: too heavy ? or too many ? |
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| 11:23.10 | Herdir | too many i don't know witch one shoul i use or if i've to download all of them |
| 11:23.16 | doublehp | Herdir: files are too big , or, you don't know which one to choose ? |
| 11:23.24 | aswen | Herdir, https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 11:23.47 | doublehp | Herdir: take only one; for frequent install, take netinst; for offline, take a liveCD |
| 11:24.18 | Herdir | Ok thx a lot for the tips guys :) |
| 11:24.32 | zh | nath http://www.unix.com/man-page/opensolaris/1/man/ (dont know if it helps) |
| 11:24.46 | Herdir | trying to kill that fu**ing ubuntu ! |
| 11:24.52 | doublehp | aswen: it's for /boot, so, grub2 put's 300 files, then, it's just 15M per kernel ... |
| 11:25.10 | nath | zh: I'll check that one thx |
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| 11:26.28 | aswen | doublehp, I think you can define how many inodes are made, but, isn't 500M more than sufficient for /boot? |
| 11:27.19 | aswen | doublehp, mkfs.ext4 -i let's you specify the #indodes i think |
| 11:28.01 | doublehp | aswen: i ll check how many i have, and try to make it 10% , then see how much space i gain |
| 11:28.46 | aswen | hmm -i is bytes per inode btw, subtle difference |
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| 11:29.40 | aswen | anyway, is there any preseed-guru online who want's to have a look at my paste? |
| 11:32.02 | Arahael | What's the easiest way to add a new script as a service, to be run as a specific user? |
| 11:32.07 | Arahael | (In that user's home dir) |
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| 11:34.12 | peetaur2 | aswen: not sure if there are gurus, but not many will just read your paste for you .. you'd have to ask about a particular line or error message or other problem |
| 11:35.15 | aswen | peetaur2, yeah, I just added some comments in the file where everything goes tits-up ;-) but you're right! let's start with my biggest problem: partitioning fails |
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| 11:35.41 | aswen | d-i says: no physical volumes defined in vg".... |
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| 11:36.36 | aswen | I also have some questions that I thought I had preseeded, but they still are asked... |
| 11:36.45 | aswen | but that's just annoying. |
| 11:37.25 | peetaur2 | I see lots of method{ lvm }, but where is the physical volume? |
| 11:37.26 | aswen | the partition thing thoughÂ….. |
| 11:37.58 | aswen | peetaur2, line 95? and alos tried 103 |
| 11:38.06 | peetaur2 | maybe it is this one? 500 500 500 ext2 method{ lvm } $lvmok{ } in_vg{ vg_system } maybe you have to remove method, like you did for swap |
| 11:38.14 | doublehp | classic mkfs: 136M used; ; with 10x less inodes, same lost space :/ |
| 11:39.09 | peetaur2 | I have never tried an LVM preseed before though. I have a raid one though... and it has different things for where the raid partition is and what to do with the logical device. So I guess that method{lvm} should only be on one (logical device and not partition). |
| 11:39.37 | doublehp | aswen: how to reduce this lost space ? |
| 11:39.38 | peetaur2 | method{ swap } $lvmok{ } in_vg{ vg_system } |
| 11:39.39 | peetaur2 | method{ lvm } $lvmok{ } in_vg{ vg_system } |
| 11:39.56 | peetaur2 | okay I guess I was confused about the swap since it's also in vg_system |
| 11:41.12 | aswen | peetaur2, I thought i understood http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=d-i/debian-installer.git;a=blob;f=doc/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt;h=7313ddacbfb107fe0694a41ae7002f3ecde79d80;hb=HEAD right |
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| 11:42.23 | aswen | as of line 195.... |
| 11:42.51 | aswen | peetaur2, I want everything in vg_system |
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| 11:43.38 | peetaur2 | aswen: I suppose it is not meant to make sense ;) why does everyone have some /tmp/hack and there is no apparent way to define where a physical volume is ... |
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| 11:44.21 | aswen | doublehp, dunno to be honoust. |
| 11:44.42 | peetaur2 | aswen: your link has a way to define the pv though .... line 209 |
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| 11:45.13 | aswen | peetaur2, about defining pv: see line 103 in my paste |
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| 11:45.19 | aswen | makes no difference |
| 11:46.11 | aswen | and the /tmp/hack thing because of line 276 in that doc... it's a limitation of preseed. |
| 11:46.14 | autrilla | Halp! Talking from my phone now. Why doesnt debian detect my SSD? |
| 11:46.41 | aswen | I don't care if I can get it working with that hack lv I'll remove it later in postinst scripts |
| 11:46.45 | peetaur2 | aswen: I eventually saw your line 103 is the same thing. But it seems like you did it right. Maybe there's just some other error that gets in the way ... maybe a more detailed log will help. |
| 11:47.44 | aswen | yeah, waded through logs a bit ;-) will do some more |
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| 11:48.37 | adamo0 | so whats the difference between torvalds and stallman? are they the same or other person? |
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| 11:48.45 | gabmus | hello everyone, i am not sure if asking here is correct, but i'll ask anyway... i have installed debian unstable in chroot on my nexus 4 smartphone using an app called "linux deploy". it works, but i don't understand how to start the session in xorg instead of having to use a vnc client. there are some apps that offer a xorg environment, like they tell you what's the listening port, but i can't manage to execute a session on xorg. any |
| 11:48.46 | gabmus | suggestions? also gnome-shell doesn't work, the "something has gone wrong" error appears and only allows me to logout |
| 11:48.48 | adamo0 | who is more powerful and respected? |
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| 11:48.58 | peetaur2 | aswen: I wish they would just do it this way: have parted, lvm, mdadm, etc. CLI tools available. preseed just has the script (frikin easy ... no trouble like this crap), and then just have some simple way to tell it which device is mounted/formatted where, eg. device=/dev/md0, mountpoint=/boot, useas=ext4 |
| 11:49.30 | aswen | yeah I totally agree on that |
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| 11:49.46 | wols | gabmus: you start a vnc server that acts as X server for your clients, then start teh X clients |
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| 11:50.08 | wols | gabmus: and gnome needs hardware acceleration which you only get with a real X server. use xfce |
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| 11:50.27 | gabmus | that's why i'm trying to run a real x server |
| 11:50.36 | gabmus | lxde works fine, that's what i use for now |
| 11:50.43 | peetaur2 | aswen: FYI here's a horrible hack that you may be interested in. This guy wanted to install without overwriting his partition table. So he made a udeb package that partitions, etc. sets the mountpoints, etc. and then hacks partman so it won't run :D http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1411273 |
| 11:52.04 | wols | gabmus: in short: you can't. running it in chroot has some unsurmountable problems |
| 11:52.35 | aswen | ok, thanx peetaur2 I willl have a look into that |
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| 11:53.26 | aswen | I just removed the existing partition btw, trying that now... |
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| 11:53.39 | gabmus | isnt' hardware acceleration related to the kernel? and doesn't chroot use the same kernel android uses? i dont want to sound presumptuous, but afaik it should be possible, shouldn't it? |
| 11:54.23 | aswen | makes no diff |
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| 12:01.13 | gabmus | well, the app i'm using gives me the possibility to run the GUI in VNC, X or Frame Buffer. What is Frame Buffer? |
| 12:01.17 | donofrio_ | morning |
| 12:01.25 | donofrio_ | gotta powerpc video question |
| 12:01.30 | donofrio_ | dawning flame suit |
| 12:01.38 | adamo0 | so whats the difference between torvalds and stallman? are they the same or other person? |
| 12:01.43 | adamo0 | who is more powerful and respected? |
| 12:02.07 | abrotman | adamo0: wrong channel for that, try #debian-offtopic |
| 12:02.16 | donofrio_ | jessie doesn't display desktop at all...get cursor then ibeam |
| 12:02.17 | abrotman | or #defocus |
| 12:02.33 | donofrio_ | wheezy does work but only after fresh install |
| 12:03.32 | donofrio_ | what I'm wondering is if Xorg -configure always crashs how to get live xorg.conf file |
| 12:03.57 | abrotman | donofrio_: Have you checked the BTS? I opened a bug for PPC Xorg a couple of years ago |
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| 12:04.26 | abrotman | dpkg: dbugs 605051 |
| 12:04.27 | donofrio_ | what I really mean is I found a cd with don't kill me ubuntu 12.04 and it booted the video just fine - thinking video issue might be missing part of kernel how to see kernel video bits? |
| 12:04.31 | dpkg | #605051:I[xserver-xorg-core] xserver-xorg: Cannot run "Xorg -configure" on PowerPC (); Fri, 26 Nov 2010 20:03:02 UTC [] |
| 12:04.43 | donofrio_ | abrotman: BTS? |
| 12:04.51 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/605051 |
| 12:04.56 | abrotman | dpkg: tell donofrio_ about bts |
| 12:04.57 | donofrio_ | oh ok |
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| 12:05.21 | donofrio_ | abrotman: thanks no coffee till I get to my desk so yah missed that |
| 12:05.59 | donofrio_ | abrotman: you run powerpc? |
| 12:06.00 | abrotman | can't believe that's still not fixed .. ah well |
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| 12:06.17 | abrotman | donofrio_: I have a G4 PPC Mac Mini at home taht refuses to talk to my TV .. so I "run" it .. yes |
| 12:06.50 | donofrio_ | abrotman: care to share your yaboot and xorg.conf |
| 12:07.26 | abrotman | donofrio_: a) I'm at work b) box is at home c) I haven't played with it in quite some time. |
| 12:07.38 | abrotman | d) my defualt yaboot works e) I alraedy said Xorg doesn't work |
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| 12:07.41 | abrotman | (not with my tv anyway) |
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| 12:10.12 | donofrio_ | abrotman: do favor when you can paste.debian.net them when your near the box k, cause having major issues with video and yaboot parms |
| 12:10.57 | abrotman | donofrio_: I use the *default* yaboot. |
| 12:11.27 | abrotman | donofrio_: so like in three days? :) |
| 12:11.34 | abrotman | donofrio_: have you tried the PPC channel on irc.oftc.net? |
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| 12:13.08 | donofrio_ | abrotman: not yet figured jessie issues should stay in jessie room |
| 12:13.24 | abrotman | donofrio_: so you've asked #debian-next on irc.oftc.net? |
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| 12:14.15 | donofrio_ | abrotman: no I'm in debian-next on freenode fwiw |
| 12:14.19 | donofrio_ | oh I'm not |
| 12:14.23 | donofrio_ | wrong channel |
| 12:14.27 | donofrio_ | m bad |
| 12:14.34 | donofrio_ | just looked at room |
| 12:14.38 | donofrio_ | facepalm |
| 12:15.27 | milligan | anyone here use pfsense? I need some help setting up a policy routing . |
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| 12:16.14 | donofrio_ | hu? #debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited )-:? |
| 12:16.31 | abrotman | donofrio_: OFTC |
| 12:16.32 | jelly | donofrio_: wrong network. |
| 12:16.46 | donofrio_ | )-: though they might all be connected |
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| 12:19.14 | aswen | milligan, try ##pfsense at freenode? |
| 12:19.30 | milligan | aswen, I am. Pretty quiet in there still. |
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| 12:20.07 | aswen | milligan, oh yeah, I see you posted an hour ago ;-) |
| 12:21.25 | milligan | aswen, been posted tons,haha. I moved to pfsense from m0n0wall two days ago, and there is so much new stuff to take into consideration :P |
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| 12:25.37 | ErhardtMundt | hello there |
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| 12:26.09 | ErhardtMundt | I'm here because of EFI |
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| 12:26.36 | ErhardtMundt | I have a macbook pro (late 2009) on which I want to install debian |
| 12:26.51 | ErhardtMundt | but I'm having hard times with EFI boot system |
| 12:27.07 | ErhardtMundt | any EFI guru here? |
| 12:27.42 | ErhardtMundt | I connected the macbook in target mode (via firewire it acts like an extrernal disk) |
| 12:28.12 | ErhardtMundt | my plans are partition it from this computer with a valid EFI system partition and stuff |
| 12:28.22 | ErhardtMundt | so that I can boot my os after the installation |
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| 12:28.47 | ErhardtMundt | I read some stuff on the web about EFI partition |
| 12:28.56 | ErhardtMundt | I've got a GPT partition table |
| 12:29.09 | ErhardtMundt | and a 100M fat32 partition whose name is EFI |
| 12:29.12 | ErhardtMundt | what now? |
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| 12:37.52 | DammitJim | how can I troubleshoot my laptop not going to sleep (using jessie) |
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| 12:39.03 | adamo0 | STALLMAN IS A VIRGIN? OR NOT? |
| 12:39.13 | adamo0 | which one holocaust is your favourite one? |
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| 12:59.02 | LjL-Laplet | hi. could you direct me to a USB image, or a Unetbootin/Rufus-installable ISO, or something else i can put on USB, that comes with 64bit UEFI booting support, and does *not* need to load a rootfs from the USB key (just from initrd instead)? the reason for that last requirement is that my laptop's USB appears to be unsupported under Linux |
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| 13:08.45 | Twinkletoes | netstat didn't show apache listning on ipv4, only ipv6. So I now understand about IPv4-mapped IPv6 addresses, but is there a way to tell which ipv6 ports also respond on ipv4 addresses? |
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| 13:12.44 | Dagger | Twinkletoes: by default they'll all follow the setting of net.ipv6.bindv6only. I think it's possible to override on a per-socket basis, but I don't know a way of finding out which sockets that's been done on |
| 13:12.51 | Dagger | (short of testing) |
| 13:13.14 | Twinkletoes | Dagger: thx :) |
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| 13:16.43 | Cpuroast | question |
| 13:16.54 | Cpuroast | how quickly do package changelogs get updated |
| 13:16.56 | jpinx | I'm cloning/copying my wheezy from sda5 to sda1 and currently both exist on the relevant partitions. How can I be sure that the links to /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae and boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae are pointing at the right ones ? |
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| 13:19.47 | Cpuroast | jpinx: /boot exists on / normally |
| 13:19.52 | Cpuroast | do a mount command |
| 13:19.54 | Brigo | jpinx, ls -l ? i think i do not understand you :-/ |
| 13:20.01 | Cpuroast | and see what disk is mounted as / |
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| 13:20.56 | jpinx | I know where things are mounted, but the links do not specify which / they point to |
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| 13:21.15 | jpinx | Cpuroast: yes - I have 2 of those now |
| 13:21.19 | Brigo | jpinx, fstab shoul do it |
| 13:21.20 | Cpuroast | : /boot doesn't contain symlinks |
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| 13:21.48 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:22.03 | orat | hi guys |
| 13:22.12 | Cpuroast | jpinx: and ls -la |
| 13:22.21 | Cpuroast | would show you where those links are pointing to |
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| 13:22.25 | Brigo | And i you want to boot to sda1 you have to chroot into it (sda1) and run update-grub |
| 13:22.54 | jpinx | Brigo: ok - but I want the original to be bootable as well |
| 13:22.58 | orat | how is it possible that chrt -ap 1 -f $(pidof myprogram) instead of apply the fifo scheduling policy, applies the round robin?? |
| 13:23.42 | orat | ok no problem, found it |
| 13:23.43 | orat | :) |
| 13:23.46 | Brigo | jpinx, may be grub can deal with it, i meant detect it and add a menu entry, i think. |
| 13:24.36 | jpinx | Brigo: ok - I was trying to find a way to read the symlinks on each or the / to know which partition they are pointing at |
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| 13:26.04 | Brigo | jpinx, who choose the root partition is grub at boot time, is a kernel parameter you can modify in boot menu |
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| 13:31.25 | wols | jpinx: for starters, there are no symlinks used anymore for kernel and initrd |
| 13:31.30 | wols | so "point to" doesn't matter |
| 13:32.13 | wols | if you ask about the grub2 boot menu, the only way would be to have differently named kernels I guess |
| 13:34.02 | jpinx | wols: I have the "new" / mounted and can chroot into it - no problem |
| 13:34.30 | jpinx | but I don't want to kill my box by screwing grub |
| 13:34.47 | Brigo | jpinx, get a rescue disk :) |
| 13:35.01 | jpinx | Brigo: :P |
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| 13:38.15 | Iridos | m0rd3cai, disk full? |
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| 13:42.33 | m0rd3cai | nope, 65 gig free of 80 totall |
| 13:43.28 | m0rd3cai | its completely standard install, i installed xfce from install boot (desktop=xfce) but thats it |
| 13:43.41 | Brigo | m0rd3cai, we will need to see your logs. Can you paste them at paste.debian.net or to any other place? |
| 13:44.05 | m0rd3cai | sure, bit of a n00b with logs, /var/logs right? |
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| 13:46.18 | m0rd3cai | http://paste.debian.net/102563 |
| 13:46.22 | wols | neither normally has the info needed. ~/.xsession-errors probably does. if the DE doesn't start, that's where the errors are if any |
| 13:47.39 | m0rd3cai | http://paste.debian.net/102564 <--Xorg.0.log.old |
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| 13:47.58 | m0rd3cai | there is mention on google of this being a possible bug but i cant find solution |
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| 13:48.31 | orat | guys do you know if it's possible to change the process's owner at "runtime"? |
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| 13:48.53 | jelly | orat: only if the owner is root. |
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| 13:49.19 | orat | jelly: the owner is not root but I'm root |
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| 13:49.28 | kolol | Hello. I was here yesterday because X broke on my Wheezy on Thinkpad T400 and I believe that it was caused by me trying to install proprietary GPU drivers. I still have this problem and I'd really appreciate the help. |
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| 13:49.29 | kolol | re is Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/7551624/ Please help me :( |
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| 13:49.50 | jelly | orat: then no, as far as I know it's not possible. |
| 13:49.53 | orat | I'm launching this process from qtcreator, I tried to set the setuid bit but it is launched by qtcreator as standard user anyway |
| 13:50.01 | orat | jelly: got it... |
| 13:50.10 | Brigo | m0rd3cai, the Xorg looks ok. |
| 13:50.23 | m0rd3cai | hrm.... |
| 13:50.31 | orat | thx anyway |
| 13:50.35 | m0rd3cai | would the messages file help maybe? |
| 13:50.43 | m0rd3cai | messages log* |
| 13:50.51 | Brigo | m0rd3cai, i see now you paste Xorg.0.log.old, i need the newer' ones that used to be Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:51.25 | Brigo | m0rd3cai, i need syslog better, if you please. |
| 13:51.25 | kolol2 | Um I was kicked for accidentaly typing a sentence twice but here I am |
| 13:51.47 | m0rd3cai | Brigo: Syslog or Syslog.1? |
| 13:51.53 | kolol2 | so if anyone can help |
| 13:51.55 | m0rd3cai | im assuming .1 means its the older syslog? |
| 13:52.03 | Brigo | syslog, that is the newer one |
| 13:52.12 | Brigo | m0rd3cai, right |
| 13:52.22 | m0rd3cai | cool, one sec |
| 13:52.42 | m0rd3cai | http://paste.debian.net/102566 |
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| 13:53.52 | m0rd3cai | man, I wish i knew what most of the syslog meant. I can recognize a few lines |
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| 13:55.16 | flukiluke | The May 30 07:55:36 entry is interesting |
| 13:55.53 | Brigo | m0rd3cai, not as dificult as it looks like :) |
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| 13:56.21 | m0rd3cai | I agree, its just lack of knowledge/expirence in linux systems |
| 13:56.26 | Brigo | m0rd3cai, but i find no errors in syslog neither in Xorg.0.log, so it should be a misconfiguration |
| 13:56.55 | Brigo | in xfce4, but a do not know how to fix it, i never used it. |
| 13:57.19 | flukiluke | It's definitely a bug. |
| 13:57.33 | m0rd3cai | crap. |
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| 13:57.40 | m0rd3cai | I HATE gnome. |
| 13:58.03 | Brigo | and gnome2? |
| 13:58.05 | m0rd3cai | I need xfce cause its fairly lightweight |
| 13:58.11 | kolol2 | Anyone? |
| 13:58.11 | flukiluke | No matter what happens, a program should not segfault. |
| 13:58.30 | m0rd3cai | agreed. segfault is segmentation fault, correct? |
| 13:58.38 | flukiluke | Yes |
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| 13:59.10 | Brigo | m0rd3cai, did you hate gnome 2 too? |
| 13:59.39 | zh | prob is that xfce lxde are not so cool too |
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| 14:00.19 | m0rd3cai | brigo: The pc is a p4 with 4 gigs of ram, 2ghz p4. Its a bit old (~7 years) |
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| 14:00.26 | m0rd3cai | gnome ran very slow on this pc |
| 14:00.38 | m0rd3cai | im assuming gnome2 isnt anymore lightweight? or am i mistaken? |
| 14:00.41 | zh | 4gb ram is a lot |
| 14:00.44 | Brigo | m0rd3cai, but i talk about gnome2 not gnome 3 |
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| 14:00.50 | flukiluke | For the record, I run a very happy fluxbox install. |
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| 14:01.02 | m0rd3cai | im not familiar with gnome2/3 :-( |
| 14:01.09 | m0rd3cai | are they lighter-weight than gnome? |
| 14:01.29 | zh | gnome runs fine on 4gb ram |
| 14:01.30 | Brigo | m0rd3cai, yes it is what i use, and i have a new computer, but don like gnome3 at all neither kde |
| 14:01.57 | m0rd3cai | zh: onboard intel series 1000 video card :-( |
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| 14:02.08 | kolol2 | Hello. I was here yesterday because X broke on my Wheezy on Thinkpad T400 and I believe that it was caused by me trying to install proprietary GPU drivers. I still have this problem and I'd really appreciate the help. During boot I get some repeating error that is something like "alsact1 failed to control (some number). I also for some reason have |
| 14:02.09 | kolol2 | no xorg.conf file and xorg.conf.d is empty. Here is Xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/7551624/ Please help me :( |
| 14:02.11 | Brigo | m0rd3cai, yes it is. It is very light, but i can not say if it is more or less heavy than xfce or so |
| 14:02.19 | zh | i dont like much gnome, kde, lxde, xfce but gnome probably best of them all |
| 14:02.36 | SynrGy | m0rd3cai: gnome2 isn't supported anymore from wheezy on, gnome3 is current, and they are both just called "gnome". |
| 14:02.42 | m0rd3cai | Brigo: Just wondering gnome2/3 compared to reg gnome |
| 14:02.52 | SynrGy | m0rd3cai: there is no such distinction |
| 14:02.57 | m0rd3cai | ok |
| 14:03.16 | mintgreen | i edited /etc/grub.d/40_custom ,http://dpaste.com/3SSSA9E/ ,but no entry for pcbsd is shown in grub menu.what's wrong? |
| 14:03.17 | SynrGy | so if we say gnome and refer to wheezy or jessie, we mean gnome3 |
| 14:03.20 | Brigo | i sorry, reg gnome? |
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| 14:03.32 | SynrGy | Brigo: i've already corrected him |
| 14:03.46 | Brigo | mintgreen, did you execute update-grub? |
| 14:03.51 | SynrGy | apparently he imaged it was distinct from gnome2 and gnome3 |
| 14:03.55 | SynrGy | imagined* |
| 14:04.01 | kolol2 | please help |
| 14:04.10 | m0rd3cai | SynrGy: correct |
| 14:04.12 | mintgreen | i edited /etc/grub.d/40_custom ,but no entry for pcbsd is shown in grub menu.what's wrong? http://dpaste.com/3SSSA9E/ |
| 14:04.13 | m0rd3cai | :-) |
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| 14:04.22 | mintgreen | brightkill: yep |
| 14:04.22 | Brigo | SynrG, it is only i do know the mind of reg, i think. |
| 14:04.31 | SynrGy | Brigo: "regular" |
| 14:04.39 | mintgreen | Brigo: yep |
| 14:04.42 | Brigo | SynrG, ah :D |
| 14:04.44 | m0rd3cai | Anyone recommend a WM similar to xfce if I cant get this working? |
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| 14:05.28 | mintgreen | Brigo: the same 40_custom file works fine for LMDE |
| 14:05.31 | zh | most window managers on nix need more development for user |
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| 14:06.16 | Brigo | Sorry, i am lost. What are the conneciton between LMDE and grub? |
| 14:06.42 | wols | !lmde |
| 14:06.43 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 14:07.00 | Brigo | wols, ok , i got it :) |
| 14:07.03 | mintgreen | Brigo: i dtriple boot debian along with LMDE and pcbsd |
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| 14:07.16 | Brigo | i thought it was a desktop environment :) |
| 14:07.21 | kolol2 | wols |
| 14:07.31 | kolol2 | do you remember me from yesterday? |
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| 14:07.44 | zh | dont like mint much either |
| 14:07.54 | wols | sure |
| 14:08.06 | kolol2 | The guy that had broken X because he installed proprietary ATI drivers? |
| 14:08.10 | Brigo | kolol2, what proprietary GPU drivers? |
| 14:08.23 | Brigo | mmm ati, i do not know it. |
| 14:08.35 | kolol2 | For Thinkpadt400 |
| 14:08.44 | kolol2 | So Radeon 600 |
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| 14:09.30 | zh | i dont understand why today everybody comes to debian channel with win, pcbsd, mint and other issues |
| 14:09.38 | kolol2 | pastie.org/9239635 |
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| 14:10.08 | kolol2 | here you can find more info |
| 14:10.09 | wols | kolol2: your thinpad T400 has not radeon 600 |
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| 14:10.34 | kolol2 | oh yeah sorry meant 3400 |
| 14:10.37 | wols | you have hybrid graphics with a intel gma4500 and a radeon hd3470m |
| 14:11.00 | kolol2 | oh |
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| 14:12.19 | kolol2 | so anything I could nopaste to help solve this problem? |
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| 14:13.58 | zh | kolol2, https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard |
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| 14:16.19 | kolol2 | Should I install xserver-xorg-video-radeon ? |
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| 14:17.56 | zh | kolol2, are uon debian? |
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| 14:18.03 | kolol2 | yes |
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| 14:18.54 | shawnbon206 | nou |
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| 14:19.31 | Twinkletoes | I've just installed csf/lfd and have blocked all incoming udp. It's on a VPS so I'm getting a lot of ISP broadcast traffic. How has anybody else gotten around this annoyance? |
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| 14:20.23 | kolol2 | So should I? |
| 14:20.39 | zh | kolol2, u have intel? |
| 14:20.58 | kolol2 | Well the processor is Intel |
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| 14:22.13 | zh | o_O |
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| 14:24.51 | kolol2 | zh: Any command to check what you mentioned? |
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| 14:27.15 | kolol2 | ? |
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| 14:32.59 | kolol2 | anyone? |
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| 14:40.20 | shawnbon206 | m0rd3cai-brb you tried mate? |
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| 14:42.48 | donofrio | anyone know if these SIIG JU-DV0012-S2 USB 2.0 to DVI/VGA Adapter work with debian without issues? |
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| 14:43.31 | donofrio | my setup at work = http://www.tinyurl.com/1yearstandingatwork2014 and I want to build something like that for home office, hence request |
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| 14:48.02 | donofrio | moreover what is the recommened usb to vga adapter supported by current wheesy |
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| 14:49.44 | shawnbon206 | m0rd3cai-brb i found i still like gnome 2/ mate better than xfce or lxde. ymmv, just putting mine out there :). unfortunately its not available on jessie just yet , mostly, but a few parts are still only in sid |
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| 14:50.37 | shawnbon206 | so i'm using fedora on my laptop (chromebook) until mate 1.8 is complete |
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| 14:52.41 | Twinkletoes | FYI I've answered my question about discarding the constant UDP blocked messages from the firewall (which I'll get because I'm running a VPS). The answer is here: http://www.rsyslog.com/discarding-unwanted-messages/ |
| 14:52.52 | brightkill | mintgreen, wat? |
| 14:54.37 | autrilla | I installed debian in the office a couple of hours ago (I'm not there now), and it told me Gnome 3 failed starting. I do not have a dedicated GPU, I have an i5 4670, do I need to install any drivers? |
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| 14:55.07 | autrilla | My internet connection there is very lousy, it would take a good time to get an irc client, that's why I ask from here |
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| 14:56.39 | shawnbon206 | autrilla intel is supported OOTB |
| 14:57.17 | shawnbon206 | you should check dmesg kernel and xorg logs |
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| 14:59.12 | autrilla | I'll do that. I'm not very convinced with debian for now, the desktop (maybe because it fallbacks to GNOME classic) and the terminal are weird |
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| 14:59.25 | autrilla | I like the classic terminal, where right click pastes and that kind of stuff |
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| 15:02.55 | Iridos | err, in linux, generally, middle-mouse-button pastes |
| 15:02.57 | Iridos | unix, really |
| 15:03.19 | autrilla | Oh, maybe it was middle |
| 15:03.30 | autrilla | duh, I got confused with Putty on windows |
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| 15:08.33 | shawnbon206 | autrilla you want to test gnome 3 to see if you even like it you could download a livecd of 'ubuntu gnome' to cross reference. i know i am a minority but i like gnome-shell |
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| 15:09.41 | shawnbon206 | question, have you tried updating since the install? |
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| 15:10.21 | zh | autrilla, you need to install few stuff after install |
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| 15:13.30 | autrilla | shawnbon206, I think it updated during the install |
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| 15:13.39 | autrilla | I had to use my phone to provide it with a decent internet connection |
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| 15:13.42 | shawnbon206 | oh the netinstall? |
| 15:13.55 | autrilla | no, DVD install |
| 15:13.59 | autrilla | But I only used the first dvd |
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| 15:14.49 | shawnbon206 | first dvd? ive never even installed with the first dvd of the... whole set? |
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| 15:17.07 | shawnbon206 | autrilla try doing a "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 15:17.30 | shawnbon206 | then "tasksel" and see if desktop is available |
| 15:18.34 | autrilla | shawnbon206, tasksel ran during the installation |
| 15:18.53 | autrilla | shawnbon206, also, someone said the first DVD (~4GB) was enough |
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| 15:19.33 | shawnbon206 | oh ok i was under the impression that 8 disc set was sort of for offline installs |
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| 15:20.51 | shawnbon206 | what does your sources.list have in it |
| 15:20.57 | zh | autrilla, http://dpaste.com/3GC74A3/ |
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| 15:22.17 | zh | some notes i have |
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| 15:25.50 | autrilla | whoops, gtg. Thanks for the note zh, gotta rush out |
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| 15:27.41 | zh | kolol2, lspci -nn | grep VGA (read wiki) |
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| 15:29.41 | kolol2 | pastie.org/9239830 |
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| 15:37.13 | Sway | That moment when you've held off on system upgrades for 150+ days and your servers uptime is 230+ days. |
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| 15:40.29 | Skaag | I had systems with 2000+ days |
| 15:40.38 | Skaag | basically until the hardware was retired for being too old |
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| 15:41.32 | Sway | Last time i did this, things broke lol.. the only positive about that was i finally made the switch from Ubuntu to Debian. |
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| 15:42.02 | Skaag | I use both, and like both |
| 15:42.23 | Skaag | they each have their place |
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| 15:42.33 | Sway | Well yeah both are nice |
| 15:42.41 | Skaag | on embedded linux I use debian exclusively |
| 15:42.48 | Skaag | s/on/for/g |
| 15:42.50 | Sway | Ubuntu has too much out of the box for me though. |
| 15:43.05 | Skaag | yes, ubuntu is great as a desktop OS |
| 15:43.13 | Sway | Agreed. |
| 15:43.14 | Skaag | for the brainless, it comes with everything packed in |
| 15:43.29 | Skaag | which is what they are trying to achieve, after all |
| 15:43.39 | Skaag | and I say trying because it's not there yet |
| 15:43.54 | Sway | lol |
| 15:43.55 | Skaag | in the last iteration, someone who came to my house and saw 14.04 said it looks like OSX |
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| 15:44.30 | Skaag | there are some things that their UI guys did, for which they should be punished severely |
| 15:44.38 | Skaag | 1000 lashes |
| 15:44.40 | Skaag | :) |
| 15:44.51 | Skaag | for example the popup notifications |
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| 15:45.14 | Skaag | if you mouse over them, suddenly they become semi-transparent and blurry, and you can't get rid of them |
| 15:45.35 | Skaag | I wonder sometimes what the thought process was behind that UI behavior |
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| 15:47.10 | Sway | I don't mind it. |
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| 15:52.10 | ctmjr | kolol2: "apt-get purge --remove fglrx" "apt-get purge --remove xserver-xorg-video-radeon" "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon" then reboot make sure you have the discrete graphics card enabled in bios |
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| 15:53.38 | zykotick9 | ctmjr: fyi, just "apt-get purge foo" as worked for some time now... |
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| 15:54.28 | ctmjr | zykotick9: thanks |
| 15:54.41 | zykotick9 | ctmjr: also, i believe it was "apt-get remove --purge foo"... |
| 15:55.16 | Iridos | indeed... now that you say it, I finally realize, what seemed so strange about that line :) |
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| 15:55.49 | kolol2 | okay I did all that |
| 15:56.11 | Iridos | strangely, there's a dpkg --remove in apt-get's man-page :) |
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| 15:56.45 | zh | autoremove? |
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| 16:01.38 | Rug | Howdy all |
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| 16:02.20 | nano_ | howdy |
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| 16:14.57 | AppleThree | hi |
| 16:15.51 | AppleThree | good people, I am having thinkpad wireless iwlwifi driver issues after switching from a broadcom wifi card to an intel card |
| 16:16.29 | AppleThree | what may be a way to "nuke" my networking settings to try from a fresh start? short of a system reinstallation |
| 16:16.35 | mtn | AppleThree: did you check out the wiki to see which driver/firmware you need to install? |
| 16:17.14 | AppleThree | yes, iwlwifi firmware |
| 16:17.36 | mtn | AppleThree: and did you install it? what problems are you having? |
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| 16:17.59 | AppleThree | the card is recognized, it shows up, lspci -v says the card uses the firmware |
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| 16:19.18 | AppleThree | if i try to bring the interface up with ifconfig i get SIOCSIFFLAGS: Connection timed out |
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| 16:19.49 | mtn | AppleThree: how are you controlling your network? networkmanager? |
| 16:19.51 | AppleThree | dmesg tells me: iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: Failed to run INIT ucode: -110; iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: Unable to initialize device. |
| 16:19.51 | rawrmonster | If you add a non-free repo for wheezy just for firmware driver, is there a way to make sure nothing else can be installed from the non-free repo? |
| 16:20.34 | AppleThree | mtn: i am using either if/iwconfig and or wicd |
| 16:21.12 | mtn | AppleThree: ok, I am not familiar with them. hopefully someone else will jump in |
| 16:21.23 | AppleThree | i can google for these problems, and they have shown up in variations for other people, but i have yet to find a solution that works for me |
| 16:21.24 | zykotick9 | rawrmonster: disable the repo after you've installed your firmware (but you won't get updates)... |
| 16:21.55 | rawrmonster | zykotick9: so just everytime i update the kernel i would need to reinstall the firmware? |
| 16:21.59 | AppleThree | i'll try in #Linux |
| 16:22.08 | AppleThree | thanks |
| 16:22.16 | zykotick9 | rawrmonster: if required, yes... not sure it will be. |
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| 16:36.51 | jimishol | i have intel 852GM/855GM x86/MMX/SSE2 graphics. Is it possible that gnome-shell does nt support it, or wheezy? gnome-shell drops to fallback and --replace gives me transparent windows |
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| 16:38.57 | jelly | jimishol: yes, 855GM is very old, 2004 or so |
| 16:39.10 | jelly | my 2005 thinkpad had 915GM |
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| 16:40.57 | jimishol | but the same card had ubuntu+compiz ok, before formating the disk for debian. gnome+mutter is even harder? txs for replying |
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| 16:42.38 | jimishol | your thinkpad cant afford gnome-shell too? |
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| 16:45.39 | jimishol | i think my problem is the Windows don't have their contents. Gnome-shell is unusable. of https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=694929 |
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| 17:04.56 | surxenberg | hai guise |
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| 17:05.00 | surxenberg | how do i backports? |
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| 17:05.32 | surxenberg | i am on debian wheezy and i'd like to install xfce 4.10 from jessie |
| 17:05.45 | ctmjr | dpkg: tell surxenberg about bpo |
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| 17:06.25 | surxenberg | i read the wiki already but i still don't get it |
| 17:06.37 | surxenberg | if i'm on wheezy do i have to add jessie-backports to my repositories? |
| 17:07.11 | ctmjr | no you add wheezy backports |
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| 17:07.29 | doublehp_ | i am booting a / on raid without initrd; is it possible to put / on LVM without initrd ? |
| 17:08.03 | surxenberg | alright, and if i do that, i should be able to install the current testing version of xfce by typing apt-get -t wheezy-backports install xfce4? |
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| 17:08.26 | ErhardtMundt | I just installed debian on a macbook |
| 17:08.52 | ErhardtMundt | I provided an efi partition on a gpt partition tabled* disk |
| 17:09.02 | ctmjr | testing and backports are 2 different things |
| 17:09.18 | lnxslck | ErhardtMundt, how is that going for you? |
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| 17:09.42 | ErhardtMundt | lnxslck: that's a hell of a work |
| 17:09.51 | lnxslck | ErhardtMundt, really? why? |
| 17:10.15 | ErhardtMundt | lnxslck: I had to learn how EFI works |
| 17:10.16 | surxenberg | ctmjr: aren't backports just packkages from the current testing distribution? |
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| 17:10.35 | lnxslck | ErhardtMundt, couldn't you just install it the old way? |
| 17:10.37 | ctmjr | no |
| 17:10.45 | lnxslck | ErhardtMundt, no efi, i mean |
| 17:10.59 | ErhardtMundt | lnxslck: I've spent the last 2 days to figure out how to deal with apple EFI implementation |
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| 17:11.04 | Artemis3 | i wouldn't bother if i were you surxenberg, the difference from 4.8 is not important. Also, its not on wheezy-backports. |
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| 17:11.28 | lnxslck | ErhardtMundt, i hope you made a manual on it, ahd put it available for others :D |
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| 17:11.46 | formorer | its a mac. they don't care about anything else than osx. since the first intel macbooks they are EFI only |
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| 17:11.48 | ErhardtMundt | lnxslck: apple doesn't support the old plain mbr boot method |
| 17:11.51 | ctmjr | well yes but they are recompiled to run on wheezy |
| 17:11.57 | lnxslck | ErhardtMundt, ok |
| 17:12.11 | surxenberg | ctmjr: why does apt-get -t wheezy-backports install xfce4 keep telling me that the newest version is already installed? |
| 17:12.12 | ErhardtMundt | I'm from an iBook which works delightfully |
| 17:12.22 | ErhardtMundt | I had no problems at all with installing debian here |
| 17:12.35 | Artemis3 | surxenberg, because as i have just told you, its NOT there. |
| 17:12.43 | rawrmonster | I was wondering, I know there is no set date to stop supporting wheezy but normally how long is a stable release supported for? |
| 17:13.05 | ErhardtMundt | of course I'm running debian wheezy here |
| 17:13.11 | formorer | rawrmonster: til one year after the next release. |
| 17:13.13 | surxenberg | Artemis3: that's disconcerting. |
| 17:13.24 | lnxslck | ErhardtMundt, ibook is intel processor or powerpc ? |
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| 17:13.29 | formorer | xfce4 is not in backports. |
| 17:13.38 | Artemis3 | surxenberg, xfce 4.10 is not worth it, really, you should not go testing for it. |
| 17:13.41 | rawrmonster | formorer: has jessie even started the package freeze? |
| 17:13.52 | formorer | lnxslck: ibooks are powerpc. since intel they are called macbooks |
| 17:13.55 | ErhardtMundt | lnxslck: powerpc |
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| 17:13.58 | formorer | rawrmonster: not yet. |
| 17:14.02 | lnxslck | ok |
| 17:14.19 | rawrmonster | formorer: ok so we are at least talking 2+ years |
| 17:14.24 | surxenberg | Artemis3: in fact i'd need 4.12 anyway. I kind of need mouse wheel zoom and xfce 4.12 has native support for it. kwin doesn't support mouse shortcuts (which is pretty stupid imho), so that doesn't work for me, either. |
| 17:14.30 | lnxslck | ErhardtMundt, one time i had debian installed on a g4, powerbook i believe, it had powerpc cpu |
| 17:14.39 | formorer | rawrmonster: and if we will get a wheezy lts, about much longer. |
| 17:14.40 | lnxslck | ErhardtMundt, debian has the most packages ported to powerpc |
| 17:15.05 | Artemis3 | surxenberg, you could just use compiz or compton |
| 17:15.15 | surxenberg | compiz is not in the repositories either |
| 17:15.55 | surxenberg | i tried compiling it from source, but gtk-window-decorator has... issues. |
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| 17:16.21 | ErhardtMundt | anyway, my macbook pro is booting debian via efi boot |
| 17:16.32 | ErhardtMundt | (I noticed that because of the native resolution) |
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| 17:16.59 | ErhardtMundt | but it hangs on «Waiting for /dev to be fully populated» |
| 17:17.01 | rawrmonster | formorer: ok because i am looking at making a mail server but to choose an os that i dont have to do a full upgrade of packages besides security updates |
| 17:17.03 | ErhardtMundt | why is that? |
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| 17:18.59 | ErhardtMundt | the cursor stopped blinking as well |
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| 17:19.21 | Artemis3 | surxenberg, i wonder if you do that, will you lose mouse wheel scroll? |
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| 17:21.56 | surxenberg | Artemis3 why would i lose mouse wheel scroll? it used to work in compiz just fine. |
| 17:22.15 | surxenberg | i'm messing around with compton right now. trying to disable xfwm4's own composition manager, maybe compton will give me what i'm looking for. |
| 17:22.51 | ErhardtMundt | compton? |
| 17:22.53 | ErhardtMundt | the effect? |
| 17:23.00 | Artemis3 | surxenberg, can't you use squeeze? would make things easier :) |
| 17:23.02 | ErhardtMundt | bazinga. |
| 17:23.23 | Artemis3 | surxenberg, meh, thats in the control panel thingie |
| 17:23.25 | surxenberg | Artemis3: wheezy is old enough as it is. and jessie keeps breaking my system when i'm apt-get updating |
| 17:23.34 | surxenberg | Artemis3: yes, i found it. |
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| 17:23.56 | Artemis3 | well compiz was in squeeze |
| 17:24.00 | Artemis3 | or is |
| 17:24.27 | surxenberg | i know. but i can't use these packages due to dependency issues. |
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| 17:24.40 | surxenberg | i really don't understand why they removed compzi from debian. |
| 17:25.10 | wols | what would you need it for? |
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| 17:25.40 | Artemis3 | surxenberg, looks like it was maintained by canonical |
| 17:26.08 | surxenberg | if kwin actually had mouse button shortcuts i could just use kwin.... |
| 17:26.22 | Artemis3 | surxenberg, also someone made a gnome shell zoom mousewheel thing if thats useful |
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| 17:26.30 | surxenberg | and i cba to use a keymapper etc. guess i'll just be stuck with xfwm 4.8 for the time being. |
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| 17:26.45 | surxenberg | Artemis3: yes, i am aware of that. but i don't want to use gnome shell for various reasons. |
| 17:27.32 | Artemis3 | surxenberg, you could use another shell ie. cinnamon? |
| 17:27.50 | Artemis3 | but thats only on sid |
| 17:27.57 | Artemis3 | fun times :) |
| 17:28.39 | surxenberg | na, i'll just be stuck with xfce 4.8 now |
| 17:28.55 | surxenberg | at least i have two 27" monitors, that's really good enough to write code on. |
| 17:29.11 | surxenberg | but with my shitty eyes i'd love to have mouse wheel zoom like in compiz or OSX at hand sometimes. |
| 17:29.41 | Artemis3 | surxenberg, bump that dpi value :) |
| 17:30.00 | Artemis3 | and make the panel/icons bigger |
| 17:30.34 | surxenberg | i'd prefer a 'dynamic' solution to that problem over increasing font size :D |
| 17:31.27 | surxenberg | compton seems pretty nice. |
| 17:31.36 | surxenberg | compiled without problems and seems to run stable... |
| 17:32.00 | Artemis3 | people use it to stop tearing with intel gpus |
| 17:32.05 | armin | surxenberg: would xmag help you? |
| 17:32.27 | Eyes | is shitty |
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| 17:32.41 | armin | tearing is like the most terrible thing in X in general. i fail to understand how people live with a tearing DE/WM. |
| 17:32.56 | Eyes | the most terrible thing about X is X |
| 17:33.06 | armin | that too |
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| 17:33.54 | surxenberg | armin: xmag is not realyl what i'm looking for. i'd really like something like the zoom in OSX / what compiz had |
| 17:34.02 | Artemis3 | well wayland is meant to solve that i pressume? |
| 17:34.04 | surxenberg | armin: xfwm4 doesn't tear.... |
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| 17:34.54 | Artemis3 | i don't notice tearing with nvidia either |
| 17:35.04 | armin | surxenberg: it does. |
| 17:35.30 | surxenberg | armin: ah yes, you're right |
| 17:35.33 | surxenberg | but with compton it does not. |
| 17:35.43 | armin | surxenberg: that should be dependand on your compositing manager then, being xfwm in your case i assume? |
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| 17:35.57 | surxenberg | armin: yes, but i just installed compton and i'm experimenting with it a bit. |
| 17:36.02 | armin | ah ok |
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| 17:41.01 | surxenberg | bai guise |
| 17:41.02 | surxenberg | thx for the help |
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| 18:16.45 | tobbez | So I'm trying to preseed debconf to accept the steam license, but I can't seem to get it to work, the following just happens: http://wrya.net/services/paste/p/W0Rm1wgwT24SXGWamCSyqy.html (and I don't see anything out of the ordinary when I try the corresponding commands in debconf-communicate). Anyone have an idea for what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 18:31.31 | defer- | hi. debian livecd went lock screen. what is the password? |
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| 18:35.06 | shadylithium | hi |
| 18:35.15 | defer- | it was live |
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| 18:35.56 | shadylithium | hi |
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| 18:36.28 | shadylithium | can i ask some questions about my installation here? |
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| 18:36.49 | phy1729 | shadylithium: if it's debian, sure |
| 18:37.17 | shadylithium | it is about my netinst installation |
| 18:37.37 | shadylithium | i chosen the no DE image |
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| 18:38.01 | shadylithium | but after installation, i found out i couldnt execute the apt system |
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| 18:38.48 | shadylithium | is says couldnt execute binary file |
| 18:38.52 | shadylithium | it there anything wrong? |
| 18:38.53 | futuro82 | hello |
| 18:38.56 | shadylithium | hello |
| 18:39.05 | futuro82 | Im italian |
| 18:39.13 | shadylithium | im malaysian |
| 18:39.34 | futuro82 | Iam searching for italian help |
| 18:39.41 | phy1729 | shadylithium: perhaps you want apt-get ? |
| 18:39.44 | jelly-home | !it |
| 18:39.46 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:40.04 | futuro82 | thanks |
| 18:40.08 | shadylithium | <phy1729> yes i used apt-get update |
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| 18:40.46 | shadylithium | that was the error it replied |
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| 18:41.00 | phy1729 | did you execute it as root? |
| 18:41.08 | shadylithium | well my full command was |
| 18:41.16 | shadylithium | su client-name apt-get update |
| 18:41.35 | shadylithium | i am the only user on my system |
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| 18:43.01 | ompaul | that's not going to work - su -c "apt-get update" might be better but given you need to make decisions about the next move su - might be a better move then apt-get update |
| 18:43.25 | doublehp_ | i have put GRUB_DEFAULT=saved in /etc/default/grub, and update-grub, and it does not save default, why ? |
| 18:43.47 | shadylithium | <ompaul> ok i will try. thank you. |
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| 18:45.21 | ompaul | doublehp_: you need to run this >>>> info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration' because I don't think saved is a good way to start |
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| 18:45.48 | wols | what's wrong with saved? |
| 18:46.15 | ompaul | nothing it is a stanza choice aiui |
| 18:46.41 | ompaul | it is how it is being used I guess ;-) |
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| 18:47.09 | ompaul | i.e. show me that 0 doesn't work and then I'll be worried but I don't know what other measures you are taking to make saved work |
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| 18:48.22 | anomaly | running a server with an ati rage xl 8mb onboard. the installer screen comes up to give me options, but when I try to start it the system hangs. is there not support for it? as it is going on ten years old. |
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| 18:49.29 | doublehp_ | ompaul: ah ...at last i see your point. so, to make it short, i really do need save. So, how to use it ? |
| 18:49.42 | ompaul | like 0 |
| 18:49.53 | ompaul | put back in 0 |
| 18:49.56 | ompaul | make it work |
| 18:50.22 | ompaul | then look at the default grub file - and check out the other file and the named stanza's in there |
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| 18:50.41 | doublehp_ | ompaul: you assumed that, if the first kernel dos not work fine, i should notfix it by using save; fact is, this debian is not my default system; and i want grub to default to a misc system ... which will never (and can't) be the 1st of list |
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| 18:50.53 | JyZyXEL | how do i set the default sound card on debian? |
| 18:51.14 | ompaul | doublehp_: and that system has a number which you can name |
| 18:51.15 | JyZyXEL | is there a GUI tool for it? |
| 18:51.19 | JyZyXEL | or ncurses |
| 18:51.21 | doublehp_ | ompaul: it can't; because my custom system is configured in the 40_misc script; which is ALWAYS run after the 10_linux |
| 18:51.33 | JyZyXEL | why cannot alsamixer set the default sound card? |
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| 18:52.06 | doublehp_ | ompaul: you mean that, the GRUB_DEFAULT can be an entry name ? I don't want to use the entry number; the list length can change with tim |
| 18:53.07 | doublehp_ | ompaul: i use "saved" since 2005 , on all systems; using grub2 for the first time; so, don't tell me that the save feature of grub2 is less powerfull than grub1 |
| 18:53.14 | ompaul | doublehp_: no, I don't mean that, but here try this fix it so that grub.cfg and default name things the right way |
| 18:53.17 | doublehp_ | JyZyXEL: it can |
| 18:53.39 | doublehp_ | ompaul: did not understand |
| 18:53.45 | ompaul | did I not? |
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| 18:54.11 | JyZyXEL | doublehp_: how? |
| 18:54.20 | doublehp_ | F6 ? |
| 18:54.22 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: when you run it read the commands F6 |
| 18:55.00 | doublehp_ | JyZyXEL: making alsamixer show the right card by default is an other issue ^^ |
| 18:55.17 | ompaul | doublehp_: I told you exactly what you need to know, you know about the default file and you should also know about grub.cfg file match your entries |
| 18:55.45 | doublehp_ | ompaul: so, you want me to put a number in GRUB_DEFAULT ? that's exactly what i stoped doing in 2005 |
| 18:56.08 | JyZyXEL | sound doesn't work on smplayer |
| 18:56.14 | doublehp_ | i don't have any default file |
| 18:56.33 | doublehp_ | ompaul: grub2 also needs the default file to be created manually ? |
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| 18:56.49 | ompaul | doublehp_: my suggestion to use 0 is to fix it so that you know it works - you complain it doesn't then I tell you that if you have /etc/grub/default which you yourself referenced and here now now deny exists |
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| 18:57.05 | ompaul | doublehp_: or even without the typo /etc/default/grub |
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| 18:58.02 | JyZyXEL | speaker-test doesn't even work |
| 18:58.10 | JyZyXEL | Sample format not available for playback: Invalid argument |
| 18:58.12 | JyZyXEL | Setting of hwparams failed: Invalid argument |
| 18:58.28 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: you have it plugged in the right place and the volume turned up |
| 18:58.30 | doublehp_ | ompaul: you told "default file"; and ... for grub1, /boot/grub/saved had to be created manually; but by default, youmeans the file in the default dir? |
| 18:58.32 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 18:58.35 | ompaul | doublehp_: if you want to customise something you should perhaps read the files I mentioned I'll leave it as an exercise for you to figure out how that goes together, as I seem to have exhausted my explaining skills on that one |
| 18:58.43 | JyZyXEL | ompaul: speaker-test errors out |
| 18:58.45 | JyZyXEL | like i showed |
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| 18:59.30 | JyZyXEL | is there a graphical tool for configuring alsa? |
| 18:59.41 | JyZyXEL | and testing it |
| 18:59.54 | doublehp_ | ompaul: i did read /etc/default/grub ; and ran update-grub, which updated /boot/grub/grub.cfg , and changed the script to use the saved, instead of default; but fact is ... it just does not work |
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| 19:00.08 | doublehp_ | ompaul: i manually checked that the code had been updated in /boot |
| 19:00.10 | ratcheer | JyZyXEL: You mean besides the ncurses interface? |
| 19:01.28 | ompaul | doublehp_: pastebin all of your grub.cfg |
| 19:01.33 | doublehp_ | ompaul: i can't fix entry 0; because entry 0 will always be the kernel gnerated by /etc/grub.d/10_linux ; while the entry i want is in /etc/grub.d/40_custom ... and i don't want to put a fixed number because the number of entries may increase if i update a kernel |
| 19:04.53 | doublehp_ | ompaul: http://pastebin.com/EtymbQ8R |
| 19:04.56 | JyZyXEL | ratcheer: i don't think the F6 actually sets the system default sound card? |
| 19:05.08 | JyZyXEL | and alsamixer doesn't have a test signal or anything |
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| 19:06.32 | ratcheer | JyZyXEL: There was some companion app that did that kind of stuff, something like vdpaucontrol |
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| 19:07.14 | ratcheer | JyZyXEL: But I haven't used it in a long time |
| 19:07.16 | zykotick9 | JyZyXEL: note 1) in wheezy+ you might find your soundcards changing order, unless you create proper udev rules for them and 2) for iceweasel, i've only ever gotten it to use card0 for output. best of luck - note, my sound issue where resolved by removing the 2nd sound device (a tv capture card), i hope you have better luck. |
| 19:07.27 | ompaul | doublehp_: so why don't you show us a saved entry like this >>> menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux (5.0.3)' |
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| 19:08.05 | JyZyXEL | zykotick9: the problem is alsa finds so many sound cards from my system |
| 19:08.11 | ompaul | doublehp_: btw that box is booting so many distros and is xen happy I suspect you have tied it into a knot tbh |
| 19:08.22 | JyZyXEL | every damn graphgics card is a sound card, the motherboard is a sound card and the USB devices connected are sound cards |
| 19:08.31 | JyZyXEL | the only thing i care about is the actual sound card in the PCI slot |
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| 19:08.52 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: tell the bios/whatever you have to turn off the onboard |
| 19:09.05 | JyZyXEL | good luck with that |
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| 19:09.28 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: so then you invite a scrap and give out about a misconfigured box? |
| 19:09.41 | ompaul | JyZyXEL: the cards are having a melt down ;-) |
| 19:09.50 | ompaul | nervous breakdown rather |
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| 19:09.55 | ratcheer | JyZyXEL: In alsamixer, if you select a default card and store the settings, does it save the new default? |
| 19:10.11 | JyZyXEL | ratcheer: i don't think so no |
| 19:10.15 | JyZyXEL | it just changes the mixer view |
| 19:10.29 | doublehp_ | ompaul: all distros you see are rescue dists, used for disaster recovery; each of them is able to boot even with several faulty disks. The main system is none of those. The main system has it's own grub and own grub menu; thus chainloading. |
| 19:10.49 | JyZyXEL | its insane there isn't some nice list where you get to select what sound card you wanna use as a default one for the system |
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| 19:11.05 | JyZyXEL | or perhaps there is and it just needs to be installed |
| 19:11.09 | ompaul | doublehp_: I give up |
| 19:11.29 | ratcheer | JyZyXEL: Yes |
| 19:11.29 | JyZyXEL | i have to go take ibuprofen, this nigtmare gave me a physical headache |
| 19:11.46 | doublehp_ | ompaul: see line 554 >>> menuentry "Chainload ..." { |
| 19:12.00 | doublehp_ | ah, the double quotes could make it bug ? |
| 19:12.38 | ompaul | !TIAS |
| 19:12.40 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 19:13.13 | JyZyXEL | maybe i should just take codeine instead, that might help with the alsa problems too |
| 19:15.37 | ratcheer | JyZyXEL: Good luck |
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| 19:16.20 | ratcheer | JyZyXEL: I do remember fighting with that "card0" business a few years ago. |
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| 19:17.08 | ratcheer | JyZyXEL: Do a package search on vdpau |
| 19:17.59 | tasab | hi all , tried to edit the source.list file to add something , but denied error in saving , can u hlp pls tks |
| 19:18.19 | ratcheer | JyZyXEL: vdpauinfo - Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (vdpauinfo utility) |
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| 19:18.43 | ratcheer | I think that's it |
| 19:19.00 | doublehp_ | ompaul: legacy entries like Arch are not saved; so, the double quote can not be the issue. I have been reading your info page, and ... it does not saywhere the entry is saved todisk. With grub1, the file had to be created manually: debian used to not doit for you, and it was not created by default; so, my first thaught was to ... check that the place where the entry should be saved ... exists in the filesystem |
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| 19:19.48 | doublehp_ | ompaul: but, new detail about grub2, it does support to name entry by labels; so, i will be able to set GRUB_DEFAULT='Chainloader whatever" |
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| 19:20.13 | doublehp_ | ompaul: but i still want to understand why the "save" feature does not work |
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| 19:21.33 | tasab | abrotman, ? |
| 19:23.07 | ompaul | doublehp_: this is the data I will give you now and maybe you don't understand save you should maybe call the entry ShazbadNanoNano in this kind of a way GRUB_DEFAULT="ShazbadNanoNano" An exactly like that! |
| 19:23.10 | ompaul | And |
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| 19:23.41 | ompaul | doublehp_: if you can't grok that which I think is straight forward I'm afraid you and I have a communication difficulty that I can't overcome |
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| 19:25.38 | doublehp_ | ompaul: i have read the chat log several times to triple check everything, and we don't understand each other; but for now, GRUB_DEFAULT="Foobar" will do => thanks for info page. |
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| 19:31.20 | tasab | hi all , tried to edit the source.list file to add something , but denied error in saving , can u hlp pls tks |
| 19:31.59 | mtn | tasab: you need to be root to edit that file |
| 19:32.12 | Yoshi1 | hoqw do i get iceweasels old interface style back |
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| 19:32.19 | doublehp_ | tasab: what's the mess now ? |
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| 19:32.33 | doublehp_ | Yoshi1: install a skin |
| 19:32.57 | Yoshi1 | doublehp_: where do i get one of those |
| 19:33.04 | Yoshi1 | something not freaking minimalistic |
| 19:33.13 | doublehp_ | tasab: really, your phrase is ambiguous ... what's the issue NOW ? |
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| 19:33.52 | Yoshi1 | doublehp_: sounds like he didnt use sudo |
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| 19:33.57 | doublehp_ | Yoshi1: near the plugin manager, you have a skin manager, that will lead you to a website where you can download any |
| 19:34.12 | Akuw | hi, i need to test a ldap connection, what i can use? |
| 19:35.12 | Yoshi1 | doublehp_: i have no idea where the plugin manager is in this new layout |
| 19:35.40 | doublehp_ | Yoshi1: that's the most probable issue, but ... he is not clear about what the issue is ... if forgetting sudo, it's harmles => change is discaded. in many other cases, the file is corrupted, and then, it's much more complicated |
| 19:36.03 | doublehp_ | Yoshi1: tools > addon ? |
| 19:36.12 | mtn | spent a whole minute learning the new firefox/iceweasel layout |
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| 19:36.45 | Yoshi1 | doublehp_: the new layout ditched the toolbars |
| 19:36.53 | Yoshi1 | which is why i am annoyed |
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| 19:37.54 | jmcnaught | Yoshi1: just hit "alt" and they reappear. you can also right click the toolbar area and check "menu bar" to see it all the time. Also try the "hamburger" menu button |
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| 19:42.38 | Akuw | how can i connect with a vpn ? |
| 19:43.08 | cra1g321 | openvpn |
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| 19:51.06 | Akuw | to connect with a vpn server i use ? |
| 19:51.11 | innmalint | I'm looking for assistance with mounting a USB in a Debian VM from a Windows host; guest-utils is installed |
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| 19:51.50 | innmalint | so is the extension pack on w7 |
| 19:52.50 | jmcnaught | Akuw: do you use Gnome and Network-Manager? There are some plugins available for connecting to VPN.. If you're trying to connect to an OpenVPN VPN for example, install the network-manager-openvpn-gnome package |
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| 19:55.15 | Toli__ | guys, do you know if I can ignore dependencies issue with aptitude ? |
| 19:55.17 | doublehp_ | innmalint: check in dmesg or syslog if the device is plugged on USB;then mount it like any block; your questino is ambiguous, and probably offtopic. |
| 19:55.30 | doublehp_ | Toli__: you can |
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| 19:55.38 | porton | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/selinux-devel/2014-May/001000.html - why nobody discusses my proposal? |
| 19:55.55 | doublehp_ | Toli__: ah now, but you can fix them by adding a server providing the old packages |
| 19:56.40 | innmalint | doublehp_: i just found the vbox channel and asked on there; i do know it's not listed in lsblk. thanks for the tip, i imagine this issue is better kept on #vbox |
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| 19:58.38 | Toli__ | doublehp_: I have installed the right version of the xmlstarlet 1.0.2-1, but before that I have installed ver 1.3.1 and then purged and installed the old one, and somehow the apt-get says : openmediavault : Depends: xmlstarlet (>= 1.3.1) but 1.0.2-1 is to be installed |
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| 19:59.36 | Toli__ | so now, am kind of... |
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| 20:00.17 | doublehp_ | innmalint: depends what the exact issue is ... |
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| 20:00.25 | nath | is there anybody willing, spending a moment for minidlna setup? |
| 20:00.48 | doublehp_ | Toli__: tried to aptitude update again ? |
| 20:00.57 | innmalint | doublehp_ I can pastebin my 'dmesg | grep USB' |
| 20:00.59 | doublehp_ | Toli__: distupgrad ? |
| 20:01.02 | Toli__ | doublehp_: yes |
| 20:01.47 | doublehp_ | nath: try #offtopic |
| 20:01.57 | nath | doublehp_: thx |
| 20:02.08 | doublehp_ | Toli__: tried to google to download the package manually ? |
| 20:02.30 | Toli__ | doublehp_: I am on squeeze, as in wheezy -openmediavault did more issues |
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| 20:03.22 | Toli__ | doublehp_: Downloaded the deb package from debian server "xmlstarlet 1.0.2-1 |
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| 20:05.04 | Toli__ | so perhaps I ignore all dependencies somehow ? just to try, as I am sure that I have the right pachake version |
| 20:06.54 | jhutchins | Is there anything that will browse smb shares in xfce? |
| 20:07.40 | centrx | xsmbrowser used to be available... |
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| 20:08.13 | innmalint | doublehp_ if you've any interest here's the pastebin: pastebin.com/6xRcfnRB |
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| 20:15.27 | martinalex | hi, i have some trouble setting up iptables rules, i have an openvz container and want to enable a conntrack-based rule |
| 20:16.12 | doublehp_ | innmalint: grep is a bad idea; lsusb may help |
| 20:16.28 | mjt | I just moved my old debian wheezy install to a efi system, booting using refind. Ran grub-install, it copied itself to /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grubx64.efi (iirc), and made a default "debian" efi boot entry. But when the system boots, grub displays its command prompt instead of the menu. What to do? :) |
| 20:16.28 | jhutchins | centrx: Looks like it's still around. |
| 20:16.46 | ziftex | is clamav and rkhunter what I need on a desktop system? or do I need/wan't more protection? |
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| 20:16.52 | centrx | It's the basic classic |
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| 20:17.10 | doublehp_ | innmalint: does not seem like the block reaches the VM |
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| 20:17.33 | martinalex | unfortunately this doesnt work, conntrack-log is empty, syslog tells me something about no ctnetlink kernel support? |
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| 20:19.38 | mjt | ah. I forgot to run update-grub (after grub-install), so there was no /boot/grub/grub.cfg :) |
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| 20:24.10 | scape | not sure what to do, after update on testing I cannot update or remove packages. shoulda paid attention to the listed bug for ruby :-\ |
| 20:24.14 | scape | http://pastebin.com/Fn9FvGJq |
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| 20:24.44 | SerajewelKS | is there a permission mask that can be used on directories to allow files to be created and written to, but not deleted? i'm thinking of the case where users should be allowed to drop files, but cannot read them back (not theirs, nor others). |
| 20:25.16 | mjt | SerajewelKS: no, there's no such mask. closest is u+t like on /tmp |
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| 20:26.34 | Toli__ | is there really no solution to ignore dependencies issue in aptitude ? |
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| 20:27.59 | abrotman | if they're dependencies, the program won't run without them |
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| 20:28.54 | krpt | you could get the .deb and dpkg force install it I guess Toli__ but as said abrotman ... |
| 20:29.03 | abrotman | it won't work |
| 20:29.11 | SerajewelKS | mjt: hmm |
| 20:29.14 | Toli__ | abrotman, I know my dependencies library is installed, but somehow the aptitude is complaining about it |
| 20:29.23 | abrotman | Toli__: then it's not installed |
| 20:29.37 | Toli__ | :) it is! |
| 20:29.49 | SerajewelKS | mjt: in this case i am writing uploaded files to a directory outside of the webroot. the web server should not be allowed to read these files back. i don't think it will be an issue, but i like to harden when possible. |
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| 20:29.53 | Toli__ | it is about xmlstarlet and I can run it |
| 20:30.03 | krpt | reinstall it via aptitude Toli__ |
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| 20:30.17 | Toli__ | will try |
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| 20:30.39 | SerajewelKS | mjt: i suppose i could use a database where the web server has INSERT but not SELECT privileges on that table. ;) if i wanted to abuse databases. |
| 20:30.45 | scape | solved my issue, had to dump apt-listbugs.. lame :-\ |
| 20:31.09 | abrotman | Toli__: use a paste.debian.net to prove it |
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| 20:31.53 | Toli__ | ok |
| 20:32.47 | Toli__ | here http://dpaste.com/10S3X2K/ |
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| 20:33.22 | formorer | Toli__: openmediavault : Depends: xmlstarlet (>= 1.3.1) but 1.0.2-1 is to be installed |
| 20:33.25 | formorer | E: Broken packages |
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| 20:33.33 | formorer | read. it wants >= 1.3.1 |
| 20:33.43 | Toli__ | :) |
| 20:33.44 | Toli__ | ok |
| 20:34.03 | Toli__ | I thought it is the oposit |
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| 20:37.47 | Toli__ | ah there is no a.3 for squeeze |
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| 20:43.55 | doublehp_ | at boot time, i get into initrd shell; kernel assembles several raid arrays, but not the required one for / ; but i can assemble it manually in the shell; so, initrd has required features; how to tell kernel and initrd to assemble all possible raid assays, and not just some of them ? |
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| 20:46.11 | mjt | doublehp_: it might be several probs |
| 20:46.36 | mjt | doublehp_: first thing is to try dpkg-reconfigure mdadm and tell it which arrays to assemble |
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| 20:47.14 | mjt | doublehp_: but it also might be due to the hostname difference - if your root array has been made with "wrong" homehost it wont be easily assembled |
| 20:47.46 | doublehp_ | :/ |
| 20:48.10 | mjt | you can fix it in initramfs easily |
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| 20:50.19 | mjt | doublehp_: run mdadm -D /dev/mdX - see Name field there and check the hostname there is okay |
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| 20:50.51 | mjt | doublehp_: when you're dropped to the initramfs shell, also verify the hostname is set correctly (just run `hostname' to verify) -- if not, set it to the right value |
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| 20:51.14 | mjt | doublehp_: and if the mdX hostname is wrong, run mdadm --assemble ... --update=homehost |
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| 20:53.01 | xbv434 | what's strong encryption solution for debian now that TC is ending |
| 20:53.56 | doublehp_ | mjt: i don't see how initrd could care about hostname |
| 20:54.12 | doublehp_ | initrd does not have anyhostname |
| 20:54.23 | doublehp_ | working and non working arrays share the same hostname |
| 20:54.46 | mjt | mdadm cares, it assembles only arrays for this host |
| 20:54.51 | dondelelcaro | xbv434: luks. |
| 20:55.06 | doublehp_ | TC means ? |
| 20:55.32 | dondelelcaro | doublehp_: truecrypt |
| 20:55.37 | xbv434 | can luks do folder/file containers though? |
| 20:56.17 | dondelelcaro | xbv434: it does whole disk, which is really what you want |
| 20:56.39 | dondelelcaro | xbv434: but you can certainly do folder or files with luks too |
| 20:57.21 | dondelelcaro | (but it would be more complicated, as you'd basically do a loopback filesystem) |
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| 20:57.52 | xbv434 | dondelelcaro: is it something i have to install or do i have it by default? |
| 20:58.11 | xbv434 | i liked tc because i don't have full disk encryption. just a folder with stuff in it |
| 20:58.19 | dondelelcaro | xbv434: it's part of cryptsetup |
| 20:58.20 | saban | how to copy folder A with files over folder B but dont override files that are alrady in folder B? |
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| 20:59.32 | xbv434 | dondelelcaro: thanks so it's installed by default |
| 20:59.42 | doublehp_ | mjt: initrd says hostname is '(none)'; how do i pass hostname to kernel prompt ? |
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| 21:00.26 | doublehp_ | mjt: working arrays are called uranus-ar:, while non working are uranus:; does the "-ar" part mean something special ? I never called any host with "-ar" |
| 21:00.30 | dondelelcaro | xbv434: the main reason I don't like encrypting just folders is that it's more complicated to remember to encrypt things |
| 21:01.10 | mjt | doublehp_: nothing special. those are just symlinks (or should be) |
| 21:01.24 | doublehp_ | mjt: i would like to pass the chain description as argument to kernel: UUID, array name (since super 1.2 does not allow minors anymore) |
| 21:01.33 | dondelelcaro | xbv434: for individual files, I just use gpg. |
| 21:01.42 | mjt | doublehp_: but if initramfs does not set hostname... oh well. It's been a while when i messed with debian initramfs for the last (and first!) time |
| 21:01.59 | xbv434 | dondelelcaro: oh, gpg? i want to learn how to do that |
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| 21:02.20 | mjt | doublehp_: haven you checked which arrays it assembles -- the reconfigure thing? |
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| 21:02.31 | xbv434 | dondelelcaro: do you encrypt just /home partition or everything except boot |
| 21:02.35 | doublehp_ | mjt: it does all super 0.9 arrays; but only 1.2 with "-ar" in the name |
| 21:02.41 | mjt | heh |
| 21:03.00 | mjt | that's where it cares about hostname - in v1.2 arrays :) |
| 21:03.13 | dondelelcaro | xbv434: everything but boot, yes. |
| 21:03.36 | doublehp_ | mjt: so, i want to pass it as kernel argument |
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| 21:04.10 | mjt | doublehp_: i don't remember, does debian initramfs understands hostname= boot parameter? Alternatively you can add homehost=foo in mdadm.conf |
| 21:04.41 | doublehp_ | mjt: i try to put both as kernel arg and see; wait 5mn |
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| 21:05.31 | mjt | doublehp_: it is HOMEHOST=foo |
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| 21:07.52 | adh0c | Hi, I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy on a production machine. After switching the repos in sources.list, updating the local package lists, and running the initial 'apt-get upgrade', the package manager hangs on an init-rc.d warning: "initscript mysql, action "stop" failed" |
| 21:09.40 | adh0c | I've googled around, but only found recommendations to remove the locally cached .deb file. This, however, won't affect the init scripts for the service, so I'm not sure it's going to help when trying to upgrade again. |
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| 21:10.26 | doublehp_ | mjt: years i boot without initrd, and work without mdadm.conf ; so, since it does not work, i tried with initrd, and still no luck; adding hostname and homehost to boot prompt did not help |
| 21:12.21 | mjt | doublehp_: assembling raid w/o mdadm is really asking for trouble |
| 21:12.48 | mjt | doublehp_: but what's the content of mdadm.conf for your array which isn't being assembled? |
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| 21:13.14 | doublehp_ | mjt: i don't have mdadm.conf at all |
| 21:13.35 | mjt | and where did you put homehost to? |
| 21:13.46 | doublehp_ | boot prompt :) |
| 21:13.50 | mjt | lol |
| 21:14.02 | mjt | again, using mdadm without mdadm.conf is asking for a Big Trouble. |
| 21:14.14 | doublehp_ | worked untill today |
| 21:14.22 | mjt | yeah, it works until something breaks |
| 21:14.33 | mjt | and when it breaks, you can't recover your data anymore |
| 21:14.49 | mjt | raid is supposed to keep your data _safe_, not the opposite |
| 21:15.02 | mjt | (unless, ofcourse, it is raid0 :) |
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| 21:15.43 | mjt | please create mdadm.conf with your arrays (good way is mdadm -Db > /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf) and start from there |
| 21:15.43 | doublehp_ | i don't see why mdadm.conf could help recovering data |
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| 21:16.01 | doublehp_ | mjt: either kernel finds all blocks to assemble array, or it does not |
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| 21:16.18 | mjt | i'm not in the mood to describe all the details |
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| 21:17.46 | mjt | if you don't believe me, check my name, compare with who maintain mdadm package, and don't use it ;) |
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| 21:18.09 | doublehp_ | mjt: i believe you; but, ... it's complicated ... |
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| 21:18.17 | mjt | indeed it is :) |
| 21:19.18 | doublehp_ | mjt: i amdoing a very complicated migration; and ... hell ... i had not planed to rebuild a kernel, or introduce initrd now; it was plance for july |
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| 21:25.37 | doublehp_ | mjt: how do i update homehost ? |
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| 21:25.55 | mjt | mdadm --assemble ... --update=homehost :) |
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| 21:28.52 | nashant | Hey guys. Is there any way to load an installer with a newer kernel? |
| 21:29.53 | jhutchins | nashant: Why? |
| 21:30.22 | AimHere | I would suspect that the easiest way would be to install it onto the Debian Live installation on a USB stick or something |
| 21:30.25 | nashant | jhutchins: The standard one won't recognise the controller that my SSDs are attached to. http://theangryangel.co.uk/blog/marvell-88se9172-sata3-under-linux-as-of-320/ |
| 21:30.56 | AimHere | But I'm not 100% sure that the kernel the Live install is running is the kernel that would be installed onto a hard drive |
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| 21:33.22 | GvP | hello, I've been a bit stumped, I'm running wheezy on a macbookpro and had to use rEFInd ( http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ ) the first time to get it to allow the choice of the usb netinstall |
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| 21:34.33 | GvP | but now I want to clean install to jessie, but the rEFInd site says to only install on a mac computer from a macOS, not linux |
| 21:35.02 | mjt | refind installs even on non-efi system |
| 21:35.32 | mjt | (but it doesn't work there) |
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| 21:36.31 | GvP | I've tried getting the usb drives to be recognizable at launch, but so far no luck, this was the warning: http://pastebin.com/9yAVTWCR |
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| 21:37.29 | mjt | is your computer a mac? |
| 21:37.33 | GvP | so it scared me a bit, but unless anyone knows a trick I guess I could install OSX then rEFInd, then Jessie |
| 21:37.35 | GvP | yes |
| 21:37.58 | mjt | oh. well, i can't say anything about macs, sorry :) |
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| 21:38.19 | mjt | it just so happened i installed refind on a non-mac PC just about a hour ago ;) |
| 21:38.33 | doublehp_ | mjt: i found the reason: i have a faulty SATA adaptor on IDE port; because of errors in logs, i removed the sata cable from it, but left it in the PATA plug. Because of Linux stupidity, sata discovery is made in a random order (from boot to boot, the drives change name each time); this adaptor needs a whole minute to timeout (and it's worse with a sata device on it); so, as long as this device did not timeout, the kernel is waiting for the SCSI |
| 21:38.57 | doublehp_ | mjt: so, many drives are missing, and, when the raid driver starts, disks are missing |
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| 21:39.04 | GvP | and this is all mostly new to me, oh well thanks you know what they say, Mo OS's Mo problems ;-) |
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| 21:39.25 | doublehp_ | mjt: on two last boots, the required disks were discovered by kernel AFTER I fell back in busybox |
| 21:39.43 | doublehp_ | mjt: i will remove the adaper and see |
| 21:39.45 | mjt | doublehp_: oh, that's classics. we STILL hasn't got to enabling async raid array assembly at boot (so that rootwait works) |
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| 21:40.21 | doublehp_ | root waits waits for only 30s ;the adaptor is longer |
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| 21:40.36 | doublehp_ | mjt: plus many SATA errors everywhere |
| 21:40.41 | mjt | but mdadm is run way before that anyway, the waiting is _after_ mdadm has run |
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| 21:41.38 | doublehp_ | mjt: just now, i have confirmed this, because, now, the adapter have been detected as ata1, that is, SCSI device 0; so, even disks on motherboard were undiscovered |
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| 21:42.02 | mjt | we should handle disk discovery and show new disks to mdadm while we're waiting for root, that's one of key problems of current raid assembly. Another is the right homehost. |
| 21:42.20 | doublehp_ | mjt: i did ls /dev, just after entering busybox, and there were no disk at all.3mn later, i had the disks, but no raid array were assembled: it was too late for the kernel auto-raid to work |
| 21:42.45 | mjt | yup |
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| 21:43.00 | doublehp_ | mjt: when ata1 timeout, disk discovery continued, so i the end i had all disks; but it was too late for auto assembly |
| 21:43.26 | doublehp_ | still, this sux |
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| 21:44.07 | mjt | i agree completely. it is our main issue currently. |
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| 21:44.14 | doublehp_ | i mean, kernel should not wait so long for sata timeouts |
| 21:44.35 | mjt | additional complication is that mkinitramfs package is a bit too simple so it isn't easy to fix |
| 21:44.45 | mjt | the boot environment that is |
| 21:44.49 | doublehp_ | and, device should not change name from boot to boot; device names is completely random |
| 21:45.03 | mjt | kernel should not wait, it doesn't wait |
| 21:45.21 | mjt | and the order is really non-deterministic |
| 21:45.39 | mjt | that's all fine, we live in an event-driven world |
| 21:45.40 | doublehp_ | it used to be deterministic, and rely on PCI ordering |
| 21:45.48 | mjt | very long ago |
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| 21:46.03 | mjt | also we had /dev/hda etc |
| 21:46.07 | doublehp_ | that's why i am now using disk id, and WWN |
| 21:46.15 | mjt | yes |
| 21:46.28 | doublehp_ | but, they are presented too late for me :/ |
| 21:46.44 | mjt | that's the defect of initramfs debian uses |
| 21:47.00 | mjt | together with mdadm and other related packages |
| 21:47.36 | doublehp_ | one faulty device can prevent boot at all !!! |
| 21:47.44 | mjt | the only solution i can suggest you is to add an explicit waiting - with a timeout - to mdadm assemble script |
| 21:48.04 | doublehp_ | it does not slow down the card it's plugged on; during the last boot, all disks were delayed; ALL |
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| 21:48.05 | mjt | waiting for a device ID or WWN (in /dev/disk/by-foo/) |
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| 21:48.17 | doublehp_ | so, sometimes, machine will refuse to reboot |
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| 21:49.01 | doublehp_ | kernel should wait for all timeouts to expire |
| 21:49.11 | mjt | it does that ;) |
| 21:49.17 | doublehp_ | no |
| 21:49.27 | mjt | ok |
| 21:49.31 | doublehp_ | last boot, it did not |
| 21:49.45 | doublehp_ | it started discovering my disks AFTER busybox was started !!! |
| 21:49.54 | mjt | that's been discussed to death and back many times before |
| 21:49.59 | doublehp_ | when busbox started, i have no disk in /dev; not even sda |
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| 21:50.12 | mjt | but at any rate, i'm going to bed now. Good luck! |
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| 21:51.41 | doublehp_ | thanks :'( |
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| 22:00.22 | ziftex | owncloud seams pretty neat. |
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| 22:01.35 | Internetl | did you see my last msg? |
| 22:03.06 | ErhardtMundt | hello there? |
| 22:03.10 | ErhardtMundt | whoops |
| 22:03.16 | ErhardtMundt | s/?// |
| 22:03.34 | ziftex | :) |
| 22:03.48 | ErhardtMundt | any japanese user here? |
| 22:04.11 | ErhardtMundt | I'm trying to setup my keyboard to be able to type kanji and stuff |
| 22:04.40 | ziftex | https://wiki.debian.org/JapaneseEnvironmentE |
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| 22:06.28 | ErhardtMundt | I don't need the whole enviroment in japanese |
| 22:06.45 | donofrio | ok need some help.... |
| 22:06.50 | ErhardtMundt | an input method for kanji and kana would suffice |
| 22:07.01 | donofrio | I found a disto that the screen look right for my mac mini ppc |
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| 22:08.34 | donofrio | yah don't kill me it's ubuntu 12.04 (something must have changed in the kernel cause wessy does work but is unaccelerated) how do I get the xorg.conf created/found without useing xorg -configure cause that just crashes with https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605051 |
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| 22:17.36 | Xe | What package is the ldif manpage in? |
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| 22:20.45 | doebi | i cant do apt-get update ot any other aptitude command |
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| 22:21.10 | doebi | i get error: unable to parse package file /var/lib/dpkg/status (1) |
| 22:21.13 | doebi | why the fuck? |
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| 22:21.18 | doebi | this is a newly set up debian |
| 22:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell Xe about apt-file |
| 22:22.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xe, ldap-utils? |
| 22:22.27 | jhutchins | !jp |
| 22:22.28 | dpkg | Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on irc.debian.or.jp or speak English here. |
| 22:22.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | doebi, there's a status-old in the same directory, try that one |
| 22:22.50 | jhutchins | ErhardtMundt: Sorry, thought there might be more to that. |
| 22:23.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, status backup |
| 22:23.28 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: bugger all, i dunno |
| 22:23.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | grr |
| 22:24.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, status-recovery |
| 22:24.02 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; aptitude install;; |
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| 22:24.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | doebi, see above... there are additional backups in /var/backups/dpkg.status |
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| 22:25.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | doebi, you can compare your current file (or a copy of it) to those e.g. with vimdiff |
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| 22:27.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | TMI? |
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| 22:29.50 | donofrio | anyone run mac mini's here (ppc arch) |
| 22:30.20 | Toli__ | after upgrading to wheezy, the only dependencies I cannot aford is the "scponly" and I installed it http://dpaste.com/17907V1/ any clue? |
| 22:31.32 | ziftex | Can I extend my "/" mount on vda too also use vdb without reinstalling? |
| 22:31.44 | ziftex | filesystem is ext3 |
| 22:32.48 | Toli__ | it's like 8 hours I am on installing openmediavault on qnap nas :) |
| 22:34.50 | RoyK | hm... is it possible to set a UUID for eg /dev/sdb ? |
| 22:34.58 | RoyK | seems that's set only for filesystems |
| 22:35.13 | RoyK | (or perhaps a label) |
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| 22:36.10 | Toli__ | RoyK: did you tried blkid |
| 22:36.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Toli__, that doesn't make sense |
| 22:37.21 | Toli__ | but can you set your uuid? isnt it generated |
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| 22:37.52 | RoyK | seems to me a disk (sdb) doesn't have a uuid, and blkid only shows what's there |
| 22:38.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Toli__, I mean the dependency error... does dpkg -l scponly also say it's installed? |
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| 22:38.17 | RoyK | and I don't want to use partitions on this thing |
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| 22:38.33 | Toli__ | CutMeOwnThroat: look the dpaste. is says only updating DB |
| 22:38.44 | Toli__ | http://dpaste.com/17907V1/ |
| 22:39.02 | Toli__ | Processing triggers for man-db |
| 22:39.06 | Toli__ | strange |
| 22:39.37 | RoyK | Toli__: I'd rather use some good old software raid (or zfs) on a home server instead of a qnap, but that's just me |
| 22:39.51 | RoyK | Toli__: qnap uses md, I know, but it's limited |
| 22:40.56 | Toli__ | I wanted to use some kind of home server like piratebox, replaced the qnap software by wheezy, as I want to build a network boot as well |
| 22:41.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Toli__, no, says unpacking and setting up before that |
| 22:41.28 | RoyK | just get an old PC and install your favourite distro on it |
| 22:42.06 | Toli__ | I don't want a PC, this small NAS is quite good size etc. |
| 22:42.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions scponly --arch armel |
| 22:42.15 | judd | Package: scponly on armel -- squeeze: 4.8-4.1 |
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| 22:42.21 | Toli__ | if I have debian on it, why using something else |
| 22:43.07 | Toli__ | judd: so there is no csponly for wheezy ? |
| 22:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, there is on scponly for amrel in wheezy... which is why you installed the squeeze-one with dpkg -i |
| 22:43.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | armel* |
| 22:43.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions openmediavault --arch armel |
| 22:43.57 | judd | No package named 'openmediavault' was found in armel. |
| 22:44.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... that's not a debian package... which explains a lot |
| 22:44.51 | Toli__ | yes |
| 22:45.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, openmediavault |
| 22:45.00 | dpkg | OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at http://wiki.openmediavault.org/ and #openmediavault on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:50.36 | Toli__ | what if I install scponly from source? will this help ? |
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| 22:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno looks more like the openmediavault package is broken... or as if the scponly isn't fully installed without producing an error |
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| 22:57.34 | see1 | hello, iam new to debian and need help to make a user run root commands...is there any tutorial for it? |
| 22:57.51 | ebfull | see1: sudo |
| 22:58.11 | ebfull | see1: http://askubuntu.com/questions/2214/how-do-i-add-a-user-to-the-sudo-group |
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| 22:58.31 | ebfull | see1: (make sure to check ur /etc/sudoers for the group declaration) |
| 22:59.23 | see1 | yep @ebfull il try to make the new user an authorized sudoer |
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| 23:04.39 | alvarolm | hello |
| 23:04.41 | alvarolm | this looks right to anyone http://pastebin.com/89SKxfFH ? |
| 23:07.56 | ziftex | it seems to run on some form of electricity |
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| 23:09.13 | alvarolm | <ziftex> lol |
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| 23:25.33 | john592 | do anyone have a tutorial how to clean any old drivers installed? i tried installing my ATI drivers 3-5 times and always fail so I bet they clogged up the system |
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| 23:32.24 | vook | john592: it depends upon how you installed them. If you used the ATI package, there is an uninstall option (something like --uninstall). Otherwise, you can just purge all of the fglrx packages. |
| 23:32.46 | john592 | i did use the APT package first |
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| 23:33.01 | john592 | how do i purge all the packages, vook? |
| 23:33.55 | vook | just realized his dpkg is corrupt. |
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| 23:35.16 | vook | john592: you can do something like 'aptitude search fglrx', take note of all of the installed fglrx packages, and then do 'aptitude purge <each fglrx package>". There is an easier way, but I'm distracted by my failing package manager. |
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| 23:36.26 | vook | just purge each package shown by this command "dpkg --get-selections | grep fglrx" |
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| 23:37.19 | vook | ah, my /var is full |
| 23:37.24 | john592 | dpkg --get-selections | grep fglrx fglrxdeinstall |
| 23:37.25 | dpkg | selects john592's pr0n collection |
| 23:37.29 | john592 | thats what it says |
| 23:37.43 | john592 | okay |
| 23:37.46 | john592 | i will try the purge one |
| 23:38.21 | see1 | ebfull thx |
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| 23:39.20 | john592 | vook even if i purge a package (which says its 0 byte) it still continues to exist when i search for it |
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| 23:40.12 | vook | john592: they may not be installed. just do 'aptitude search fglrx' do any of those have an 'i' to the left? |
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| 23:41.01 | john592 | vook it's only "p" or "v" |
| 23:41.33 | vook | john592: then they should be removed, assuming it was fglrx packages you installed. |
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| 23:42.17 | john592 | okay, can you help me install the graphic drivers? |
| 23:42.27 | john592 | i have them downlodaded from the website |
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| 23:43.14 | satdav | Hello when will you be updaing the mysql in the package maanger |
| 23:43.33 | vook | john592: you're really better off using the debian packages. |
| 23:43.51 | john592 | okay vook |
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| 23:44.02 | john592 | should i do apt-get fglrx? |
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| 23:44.17 | vook | !fglrx |
| 23:44.18 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphic processing units. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; ask me about <fglrx legacy> or use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. |
| 23:44.43 | vook | go to that wiki page ^ |
| 23:44.57 | satdav | !mysql |
| 23:44.58 | dpkg | MySQL is a fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It is the world's most popular open source database. To install, ask me about <install mysql>. http://wiki.debian.org/MySql http://mysql.com/ #mysql on irc.freenode.net, #debian-mysql on irc.oftc.net. See also <mysql test>, <mysql squeeze>, <mysql checking>, <mysql memory usage>. |
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| 23:49.13 | vook | which version do you need satdav ? |
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| 23:50.44 | satdav | 5.6.17 if you have it |
| 23:50.51 | satdav | when we do apt-get upgrade |
| 23:50.56 | satdav | it wont give that version |
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| 23:51.48 | vook | satdav: I don't see that happening any time soon. Testing is also using 5.5. |
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| 23:52.38 | satdav | Could we get 5.5.37, |
| 23:52.40 | satdav | even |
| 23:52.44 | satdav | to the testing of it |
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| 23:56.24 | vook | 5.6 is in the experimental repo, but that the use of packages from experimental is highly discouraged (an understatement) |
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| 23:59.20 | satdav | OK |
| 23:59.29 | satdav | what version of openfire do you have on the repo |
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| 23:59.43 | satdav | !openfire |
| 23:59.43 | dpkg | Openfire (previously Wildfire, Jive Messenger) is an <XMPP> server written in Java, not packaged for Debian (<RFP> in #689589). http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/ #openfire on irc.freenode.net. |
