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| 00:06.08 | yeheyuan | nenos cierro, mañana más |
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| 00:07.18 | teraflops | esto no es twitter yeheyuan :P |
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| 00:09.02 | abrotman | teraflops: English here |
| 00:09.15 | teraflops | tell that to yeheyuan abrotman |
| 00:09.44 | abrotman | ... |
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| 00:15.48 | LostCat | How do i change the CC enviroment from gcc-4.6 to gcc-4.7? |
| 00:16.28 | LostCat | export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.7 doesn't work* |
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| 00:17.06 | dassault | does anyone know where fortune/strfile are taken care of? i have a fortunes file that strfile says has handled strings for, but then fortune says none were found |
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| 00:31.27 | Huge | Have the snowden documents identifying the americans being spied on been released yet? The media is "hinting" that the disclosures of documents is near its end!?!? |
| 00:32.09 | Huge | I thought there were going to be alot more disclosures made |
| 00:32.22 | LostCat | http://pastebin.com/n9jDy5K9 I believe my current gcc is too *new.* I've read it is bad to install a older version of GCC... what should i do. |
| 00:34.11 | floatmastaflex | I am trying to grant a user access to a specific directory owned by anotehr user. However, when I follow the tutorial on the following site, I get a permissions error, namely: error: could not lock config file .git/config: Permission denied http://serverfault.com/questions/310325/how-do-i-give-a-user-access-to-var-www-html WTF? |
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| 00:34.53 | floatmastaflex | my user appears to be a part of the www-data group, which is the directory owner's group |
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| 00:36.52 | abrotman | Huge: This channel is for Debina support, try #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
| 00:37.57 | floatmastaflex | do I need execute permission or something? |
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| 00:46.41 | mylar | dumb question, If a computer is not on a domain, what values should search/domain have in resolv.conf? |
| 00:47.12 | LtL | mylar: your ISP's |
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| 00:49.54 | abrotman | mylar: don't have the line at all |
| 00:50.13 | mylar | yea, that is what my router sends from dhcp |
| 00:51.10 | mylar | I think I figured out the printscreen problem I was having |
| 00:51.39 | mylar | when I press the key kde tries to run ksnapshot |
| 00:52.13 | mylar | but since I did not have it installed it somehow ran http://ksnapshot and appended my ISP domain |
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| 00:52.42 | mylar | which then redirects to sedoparking |
| 00:52.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mylar about enter |
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| 01:03.27 | Alchemy | hey all how can I use aufs unionfs or mhdfs to get three identical directories |
| 01:03.50 | Alchemy | where writing to any of them |
| 01:03.52 | Alchemy | will show in the others |
| 01:06.24 | buu | Alchemy: What's wrong with symlinks? |
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| 01:06.46 | Alchemy | buu, its a pre configured panel based webserver the default httpd won't allow symlinks to be created without updating it |
| 01:06.54 | Kaedenn2 | Can I limit what processors a process uses? The process is multithreaded and in Java. |
| 01:06.54 | Alchemy | the update requires a license change |
| 01:07.17 | Kaedenn2 | I don't want it using all of my cores. |
| 01:07.34 | buu | Kaedenn2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processor_affinity |
| 01:07.47 | buu | Oh, limiting is done at the app level |
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| 01:08.24 | Kaedenn2 | Then taskset. |
| 01:09.25 | Kaedenn2 | taskset -c 0-4 <command> # should work for me |
| 01:09.45 | SlaxXx | guys, I've played around with linux under vmware and plan to makea full install on my machine. should I go though ubuntu phase or should I go directly debian? |
| 01:10.21 | buu | Do you want a desktop? |
| 01:10.37 | abrotman | SlaxXx: this is #debian, we're going to answer Debian .. |
| 01:10.47 | SlaxXx | light esktop |
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| 01:11.25 | abrotman | SlaxXx: Debian is the obvious answer |
| 01:11.47 | buu | Well, I was going to answer ubuntu |
| 01:11.59 | deepy | What a terrible decision buu |
| 01:12.07 | abrotman | this conversation belongs in a different channel |
| 01:12.12 | SlaxXx | ubuntu is debian plus a bunch of preinstalled apps and packets that I can just install myself . right? |
| 01:12.12 | buu | =[ |
| 01:12.32 | abrotman | can we take this to ##linux |
| 01:12.53 | abrotman | SlaxXx: If you have questions about how Debian might work as a Desktop, use it in a VM for a few days |
| 01:13.20 | SlaxXx | abrotman: I'm on irssi now under virtual debian |
| 01:13.24 | SlaxXx | :P |
| 01:13.46 | dvs | SlaxXx: So install real Debian. Problem solved. |
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| 01:14.03 | abrotman | okay, so use it for a few days . I don't understand why you feel the need to ask us which works for you |
| 01:14.30 | SlaxXx | cool. just wanted to confirm with you guys. just felt the need to have an opinion from experts :) |
| 01:14.42 | abrotman | we'll let oyu know when one of those shows up |
| 01:14.47 | dvs | frowns |
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| 01:15.10 | SlaxXx | I am trying to avoid possible frustrations u know.. |
| 01:16.29 | abrotman | No, we don't know what your frustrations are ... |
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| 01:17.18 | SlaxXx | wanted to install arch as well and abandoned, too complicated for me :) |
| 01:18.05 | abrotman | Do you need help with Debian? |
| 01:18.42 | SlaxXx | yes |
| 01:19.01 | SlaxXx | after a fresh debian install. will I be able to access this page... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerd |
| 01:19.09 | SlaxXx | abrotman: ? |
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| 01:19.29 | SlaxXx | it says nerds are obssesed with strict rules |
| 01:19.34 | SlaxXx | is that so? |
| 01:19.37 | abrotman | ... |
| 01:19.53 | abrotman | SlaxXx: perhaps you want #debian-offtopic for your inane chatter |
| 01:20.22 | abrotman | SlaxXx: and that's my last warning. |
| 01:20.28 | SlaxXx | yeah but since there are no other ppl in queque. it wouldnt make much difference. |
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| 01:20.55 | abrotman | SlaxXx: this is a support channel, please play elsewhere. |
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| 01:32.02 | ryonaloli | is there a way in debian stable to tell when a new kernel update has been installed? |
| 01:32.19 | abrotman | shuldn't you have installed it? |
| 01:32.27 | ryonaloli | i have a cron job which runs apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade |
| 01:32.35 | themill | ryonaloli: dpkg and apt keep logs |
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| 01:32.53 | abrotman | ryonaloli: perhaps you'd rather use cron-apt to email you |
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| 01:33.17 | ryonaloli | i've tried setting up cron-apt. it's more trouble than it's worth |
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| 01:34.19 | abrotman | or use unattended-upgrades, it notifies you when a restart is needed IIRC |
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| 01:34.32 | ryonaloli | i tried that one as well |
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| 01:34.48 | ryonaloli | none of them seem to have an easy way to just do the equivalent of apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade |
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| 01:35.27 | abrotman | eh .. it puts a value in a file .. you read the file, you send yourself an email .. What's hard about that? |
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| 01:36.37 | ryonaloli | i don't know, i just can't seem to find any guides on how to get it to just update, and do dist-upgrade |
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| 01:37.13 | ryonaloli | as for an email, i'd set it to change /etc/issue instead |
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| 01:38.14 | abrotman | unattended-upgrades already does this ... |
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| 01:40.15 | ryonaloli | ok, so how do i tell it to only do update then dist-upgrade, and none of the other stuff it seems to do by default? the config is very confusing to me |
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| 01:59.08 | themill | ryonaloli: for cron-apt, «echo "upgrade -y -o APT::Get::Show-Upgraded=true" > /etc/cron-apt/action.d/4-upgrade» job done. |
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| 02:20.45 | Viking667 | 'llo all. Another question from me... what's the best way of fetching the current resolution from the commandline? |
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| 02:21.28 | abrotman | Viking667: xdpyinfo |
| 02:21.33 | Viking667 | heh. Figures. |
| 02:21.51 | Viking667 | I was rather wondering whether xrandr could do it too... |
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| 02:21.59 | abrotman | it probably can |
| 02:22.04 | Viking667 | but then I've also got the headache of possible multiple screens connected. |
| 02:22.30 | Viking667 | okay, I'll just continue on how I've been going then. |
| 02:22.34 | Viking667 | thanks |
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| 02:28.23 | Tau | hello. |
| 02:28.25 | Tau | i have a problem. |
| 02:28.36 | Tau | i have this laptop that uses uefi as boot secure. |
| 02:28.40 | Tau | and i cant make it boot from a cd rom. |
| 02:29.02 | Tau | i want to take windows off it. |
| 02:29.10 | Tau | would it be possible through a graphical install? |
| 02:30.02 | abrotman | yes? |
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| 02:30.25 | Arrowmaster | disable secureboot but leave uefi enabled and you should be good |
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| 02:32.21 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.50 | Tau | i will try that though. |
| 02:33.00 | Arrowmaster | should be a way to either change the default boot order or while booting there should be a key to press to get to a boot menu |
| 02:33.10 | Tau | i see. |
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| 02:33.30 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.44 | Tau | i accepted the uefi firmware then i reinistialize to access the bios. |
| 02:33.58 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.09 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.15 | Tau | lemme try it |
| 02:34.16 | Tau | again |
| 02:34.17 | Tau | hold on |
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| 04:00.37 | superlinux-hp | hi. I am looking for an old mp3 that was used to test sound on Linux that says "This is me Stewart Hawks and I pronounce: Linux..Linux" . I hope someone can guide me to it. I could not find it on google. |
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| 04:01.21 | Rusty1 | superlinux-hp: try ##linux on freenode http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1215 |
| 04:01.54 | superlinux-hp | Rusty1, thanks. i'll see. |
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| 04:04.34 | superlinux-hp | Rusty1, I know already the rules of conduct in IRC and freenode. I ask cos i want to prove a point to some people. |
| 04:05.26 | Rusty1 | superlinux-hp: i was just trying to point you to someplace that might be able to help |
| 04:05.38 | superlinux-hp | ok. |
| 04:05.43 | superlinux-hp | thanks anyways. |
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| 04:08.15 | SirLagz | is there anything bad about PXE booting an entire Debian install iso rather than the netboot iso ? |
| 04:08.25 | SirLagz | or has anyone tried that before ? |
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| 04:11.49 | Cpuroast | SirLagz: I always like to go straight from the netinstall |
| 04:11.58 | Cpuroast | you get immediate up to date packages |
| 04:12.09 | SirLagz | Cpuroast: that works great, until the netinstall cd doesn't have the right drivers lol |
| 04:15.40 | Sark | If the netinstall disc doesn't have, say, the firmware for your network card, you can then load it from another media once it's in the installer. |
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| 04:16.03 | Sark | But you don't need any drivers beyond the Ethernet and disk controller for the installer. |
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| 04:19.14 | Rusty1 | superlinux-hp: sorry, i thought i was in a different channel, my bad |
| 04:19.36 | superlinux-hp | Rusty1, no problem. |
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| 04:20.15 | superlinux-hp | Rusty1, if you do wanna help , lets see together in this issue.. |
| 04:20.55 | superlinux-hp | I can [nslookup], I cannot resolve the name in [ping] . |
| 04:21.01 | superlinux-hp | that's the problem |
| 04:22.10 | superlinux-hp | and since i updated from squeeze to wheezy I always have to reboot whenever I get the problem. |
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| 04:23.38 | Rusty1 | superlinux-hp: is avahi daemon installed? |
| 04:24.14 | superlinux-hp | not sure. let me check |
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| 04:24.31 | themill | superlinux-hp: can you pastebin the real commands and real output? (also, nslookup isn't a good way to test out local name resolution as it doesn't use the same code paths as all your other tools) |
| 04:25.04 | SixtyFold | anyone can remind me the CLI command to find my sys info? |
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| 04:25.48 | superlinux-hp | themill, now everything is fine . but this does not mean it's healthy. I still get the problem after an uptime of one day. |
| 04:26.07 | superlinux-hp | In squeeze I had 50 days uptime. |
| 04:26.11 | SirLagz | Sark: disk controller is what I need drivers for |
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| 04:27.34 | superlinux-hp | Rusty1, no! not installed. there is its library only. I can remove it too. |
| 04:27.35 | themill | superlinux-hp: it's impossible to debug without some data. Perhaps come back when you can show us something |
| 04:27.40 | Sark | wow - I don't think I've ever run into a disk controller that wouldn't work in the installer with the supplied kernel. Even the weird Dell PERC RAID controllers Just Worked. |
| 04:28.02 | superlinux-hp | themill, thence I cannot communicate with you. heh! |
| 04:28.14 | superlinux-hp | understand? |
| 04:28.15 | Sark | Is it something that just needs some binary blob firmware loaded into it, or one that genuinely has no module available in the kernel on the netinst disc? |
| 04:28.25 | SirLagz | Sark: old stuff on the new netboot kernels don't like each other lol |
| 04:28.59 | SirLagz | Sark: seems that there's no module available in the kernel on the netinst disc |
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| 04:30.24 | Sark | What kind of controller is it? |
| 04:30.31 | SirLagz | Sark: Pentium 4 era SATA controller |
| 04:31.03 | SirLagz | Sark: ICH6 SATA controller |
| 04:31.43 | Sark | Wow - amazed that isn't supported. |
| 04:31.55 | SirLagz | Sark: it's supported on the full ISO, but not on the NetInst iso |
| 04:32.11 | Sark | I mean, I can understand if it was some old machine, but, that's fairly common, recent stuff. |
| 04:32.39 | SirLagz | yeah, I assume they cut the netinst iso down to the minimum required, and most people probably don't use Pentium 4 Era stuff anymore |
| 04:32.42 | Sark | Oh. Well, then use that then - just add the network apt source at the beginning and don't use the rest of the discs |
| 04:32.58 | Sark | Heh - I haven't even gotten *to* Pentium 4 era stuff yet. |
| 04:33.02 | themill | SirLagz: do you actually mean netinst? you were talking about netboot earlier. |
| 04:33.14 | SirLagz | themill: I netboot the NetInst iso |
| 04:33.15 | shawnbon206 | wth is a pentium 4 |
| 04:33.25 | SirLagz | Sark: still on pentium 3s ? lol |
| 04:33.31 | Sark | Also, there's two netinst discs, the normal one, and the really cut down one for business card discs |
| 04:33.35 | Sark | at the moment, Pentium Pro. |
| 04:33.47 | SirLagz | lol. Pentium Pro |
| 04:33.48 | SirLagz | nice |
| 04:33.50 | themill | SirLagz: the kernel on each installer image is identical though -- the netinst is not a cutdown image at all. |
| 04:33.53 | SirLagz | haven't used those in a good 10 years |
| 04:34.00 | SirLagz | themill: the modules then ? |
| 04:34.01 | shawnbon206 | theres a cut down netinst? where |
| 04:34.19 | themill | SirLagz: it's built out of the same packages. |
| 04:34.38 | SirLagz | themill: ok...so why would the full ISO image work on the P4, but the netboot image not work ? |
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| 04:35.12 | themill | SirLagz: no idea. That's really odd.... unless downloading the larger image gives the hardware more time to initialise. |
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| 04:35.45 | SirLagz | themill: I wouldn't think so...once the installer is booted, it should have everything up and running by then right ? |
| 04:36.02 | themill | I would have thought so, yes |
| 04:36.05 | SirLagz | hmm |
| 04:36.09 | SirLagz | unless I'm using the wrong image... |
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| 04:36.28 | themill | are you using exactly the same versions (7.5?) |
| 04:36.33 | SirLagz | meh. Next time I do it, i'll spend some more time investigating it |
| 04:36.38 | themill | :) |
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| 04:36.56 | SirLagz | themill: i was doing this a little while ago, but I'm about to build some Pentium 4 machines for my Father-In-Law so I thought I'd get some research out of the way |
| 04:38.16 | SirLagz | unless I was trying to use the netinst image and not the ISO... |
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| 04:39.25 | themill | mini.iso and friends are certainly quite different beasts |
| 04:39.33 | SirLagz | indeed |
| 04:39.53 | SirLagz | might have a root around to see if I have any P4 machines left to test it on |
| 04:40.02 | shawnbon206 | theres a mini.iso? |
| 04:40.08 | SirLagz | think I might have turfed the last of them last time we had junk collection =/ |
| 04:40.51 | themill | SirLagz: yeah, saving the money on electricity and buying a more powerful new ARM machine with the savings would be worth considering... |
| 04:41.04 | SirLagz | mmmmm ARMs |
| 04:41.48 | SirLagz | I need some ARM machine with 16 or 32 GB of ram |
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| 04:41.52 | themill | You say that like "mmm Brains!"... it's rather disconcerting. |
| 04:41.54 | SirLagz | then I'd be set |
| 04:41.57 | SirLagz | hahahaha |
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| 04:53.54 | minz | any difference between these two? http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 04:54.36 | minz | ones in dist/unstable the other in dist/sid |
| 04:54.52 | SirLagz | minz: unstable is sid |
| 04:55.58 | minz | obviously |
| 04:56.27 | minz | that would be an excellent answer if i had asked if there was a difference between testing and sid |
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| 04:57.12 | themill | They're also probably not the images you are actually looking for |
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| 04:57.41 | minz | i was looking for them |
| 04:58.03 | themill | well if they happen to work for you then you can chalk that up to luck. |
| 04:58.23 | minz | yep |
| 04:58.35 | minz | until it breaks :D |
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| 04:59.50 | minz | themill: i decided to go for the kfreebsd sid one |
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| 05:13.46 | SirLagz | themill: why are those netboot/mini.isos lucky if they work ? |
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| 05:20.11 | squisher | SirLagz, the sid installer is for testing the installer. Presumably the goal was to _install_ sid |
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| 05:25.16 | themill | SirLagz: you can't even necessarily debootstrap sid on any given day. |
| 05:28.53 | minz | squisher: yes i was just testing the installer |
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| 05:29.48 | codepython777 | how do i get systemd for users working on debian stable (wheezy)? |
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| 05:32.38 | themill | codepython777: we've been through this already. Try asking questions that have answers. |
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| 06:03.16 | chovy | that can't be right can it? |
| 06:03.29 | chovy | i know its an old computer, but i must have at least 4gb i thought. |
| 06:03.51 | chovy | if i open the case, is there anyway to tell by looking at the chips? |
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| 06:12.52 | damiox | chovy: try: cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal |
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| 06:23.18 | chovy | 1026744 kB |
| 06:23.23 | chovy | that's about 1gb, right? |
| 06:23.50 | ryonaloli | 1048576 is |
| 06:23.53 | chovy | i did build this machine about 7 years ago |
| 06:24.03 | chovy | maybe i only had 1gb but i thought it was at least 4 |
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| 06:24.29 | chovy | anyway to know how much i can upgrade it to? |
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| 06:39.30 | efazati | i use "tmux new session -s bash htop " but i dont know how create next session |
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| 08:09.49 | Voyager_MP | Hi, I'm looking for a way to purge my complete java installation. |
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| 09:10.46 | colo-work | what's today's hip and lightweight alternative to squid? |
| 09:11.19 | colo-work | (looking to cache and upstream apt archive for our network and approx and co. just fail too often) |
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| 09:16.49 | Walex2 | colo-work: there is a special package to cache APT... |
| 09:17.35 | colo-work | Walex2, there are several. apt-cacher-ng, approx, etc. problem is, they suck. |
| 09:19.17 | Walex2 | colo-work: I use either Apache2 or Squid3 for caching. Problem is Apache2 caching to disk needs a small patch to work well (or at all), so mostly Squid3. |
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| 09:19.31 | Walex2 | colo-work: and Squid3 is quite lightweight. |
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| 09:24.20 | paul_grozav | muggahtee: yes, I think it is enabled. It says: Vt-X: Supported in bios |
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| 09:27.51 | muggahtee | paul_grozav: what is the model of your motherboard? |
| 09:28.43 | paul_grozav | It's a samsung np350v5z laptop |
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| 09:33.08 | jelly | paul_grozav: it should not matter, but, which kernel are you running? uname -a |
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| 09:33.43 | paul_grozav | jelly: 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u1 x86_64 |
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| 09:34.41 | jelly | right, that one definitely lets me see the vmx flag on intel cpus. |
| 09:35.05 | paul_grozav | I was saying that I don't know the motherboard code or any other detail. All I know is the laptop version and name : samsung np350v5z laptop |
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| 09:38.52 | petn-randall | colo-work: apt-cacher-ng and approx work fine for me. "They suck" is also quite a vague problem description ... |
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| 09:48.31 | ksk | hey guys. Do i get this right - the latest gnutls update has not yet been included into squeeze-LTS? |
| 09:49.27 | OpenTokix | ksk: how do you check? |
| 09:49.44 | ksk | "apt-cache policy" |
| 09:49.55 | OpenTokix | ksk: And you check the upstream version? |
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| 09:51.43 | ksk | nevrermind, there are no packages in squeeze-lts repo at the given moment. |
| 09:52.06 | ksk | and what do i care about upstream? dont understand your question |
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| 09:53.40 | yeheyuan | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.22 | stormy3 | i've got a nas drive on a mount, it's run out of space! I can't delete anything as says not enough space on disk. I tried moving a file off it to local dir, but can't do this. How can I get around clearing it |
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| 09:55.34 | ksk | stormy3: try a filesytemcheck if you cannot delete anything (its mounted rw, is it? ;) |
| 09:55.59 | stormy3 | /mnt/backup nfs rw 0 0 |
| 09:56.02 | stormy3 | yer it is |
| 09:56.03 | stormy3 | :( |
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| 09:58.10 | stormy3 | is that bad then ksk being mounted rw. |
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| 10:04.28 | sandman13 | why does it takes so much time to logout in Debian 7 KDE |
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| 10:28.32 | stormy3 | ksk: ? |
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| 10:32.51 | tremon | you should be able to remove files from the nas directly, through console login or maybe webinterface. There should be some space reserved for root-only use |
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| 10:37.44 | stormy3 | it's hosted else where, I don't have access to the front end :( it's in a data centre! |
| 10:37.53 | stormy3 | can i not move files to like /dev/null or something |
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| 10:39.16 | tremon | you might try emptying an existing file, e.g. > $file or cp /dev/null $file |
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| 10:40.28 | tremon | otherwise, you're looking at a trip to the data centre |
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| 11:01.40 | Lope | when installing linux on a SSD, do I need to do anything special? |
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| 11:12.00 | katspaugh | Hi! Could you show an example of init.d script inside a deb package? |
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| 11:15.29 | blue_sky | katspaugh: if you have Debian installed then you'll find them in /etc/init.d/ otherwise you should be able to find one by unpacking any .deb from a Debian repository. There is, I believe, documentation to help you write your own, but I don't remember where I saw it. |
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| 11:16.00 | katspaugh | blue_sky: thanks! |
| 11:16.32 | zykotick9 | katspaugh: /etc/init.d/skeleton my be of interest to you as well |
| 11:16.33 | blue_sky | katspaugh: in /etc/init.d/ there is 'skeleton' which is a template you can use for your own init scripts |
| 11:16.39 | blue_sky | :) |
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| 11:16.56 | katspaugh | Oh, nice. Thank you, guys! |
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| 11:31.25 | F_Kafka | question, where i work (university) we use a shared file system, we have a lab for students and each student has a linux accoutn with a quota, Eclipse is installed on the shared file system, every time a student wants to run it, eclipse downloads bundles/OSGI to the home dir of the student and thus captures a lot of space, is there a way to define eclipse in linux to download all bundles/plug-ins/OSGI to a place like /tmp (outside the shared file system) ? |
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| 11:36.44 | tremon | F_Kafka: that might be better asked on an Eclipse support channel. You might be able to symlink (parts of) ~/.eclipse away, but I don't know if eclipse will break the next time you run it, and part of it is missing |
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| 11:37.17 | num7 | Hi, my debian installation is stucking for about half hour its still at 82% of collecting the informations for the installation report... what can i do? |
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| 11:39.41 | tremon | check alt-f4 for error messages. That should not take more than a few seconds |
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| 11:45.08 | brontosaurusrex | is there a gui/simple installed for debootstraping sid under wheezy host? |
| 11:45.14 | brontosaurusrex | installer* |
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| 11:46.48 | Brigo | brolin_empey, debootstrap is a line command, but it is easy to use, from the man page (that you must read) and example: debootstrap wheezy ./wheezy-chroot http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 11:47.45 | Brigo | first wheezy: the version, ./wheezy-chroot, the directory, http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian the repository |
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| 11:48.42 | brontosaurusrex | Brigo, my notes are full of weird stuff like : "sudo mount -o bind /proc ./proc" |
| 11:49.08 | brontosaurusrex | thats why i asked if there is something significally simpler |
| 11:49.11 | Brigo | brolin_empey, that is for a chroot |
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| 11:49.28 | brontosaurusrex | ok ... |
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| 11:49.45 | zzz2002 | I am not sure if this is the right place for my questio? but here goes anyway yell if you must! apparmor or selinx - which is recommended for a medical records server? |
| 11:50.20 | brontosaurusrex | Brigo, so how would one use sid like that without chroot? |
| 11:51.20 | Brigo | brolin_empey, no if you need a working sid or whatever you need chroot. |
| 11:52.11 | Brigo | Debootstrap only creates the directories and the files, but it is not enought, you will need that "sudo mount -o bind /proc ./proc" and /dev and so too |
| 11:52.43 | Brigo | if you need an easy way try lxc, docker or libvirt. |
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| 11:54.28 | aktiv[b] | I am trying to boot a wheezy livecd iso with grub2 loopback. My menuentry currently looks like http://bpaste.net/show/326714/ but it is unable to load the squashfs, what am I missing here? |
| 11:54.34 | mepl | Sigh... crontab, crontab. I have a php script I need to run every 20th second. However, crontab only allows me to run it once every minute. Is creating a shell script with a loop really the best solution? |
| 11:54.46 | tremon | zzz2002: selinux with mls. Expect to do a lot of policy writing. afaik, apparmor can't confine users, only applications. |
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| 11:55.54 | zykotick9 | brontosaurusrex: here are my sid chroot notes <DON'T consider them correct, veryify everything!> http://paste.debian.net/102971/ |
| 11:56.10 | JohnA | I will ask again using my real id! |
| 11:56.35 | abrotman | Hrm, will DSA announcements cover squeeze-lts? |
| 11:56.49 | JohnA | apparmor or selinux - which would be "better" for a medical records system? |
| 11:57.19 | brontosaurusrex | zykotick9, thanks |
| 11:57.21 | zykotick9 | brontosaurusrex: fyi, you'll have issues with Xorg applications! I've cut them out as i used the very bad, "xhosts +" to get them to work... |
| 11:57.33 | Brigo | JohnA, tremont told you: selinux with mls. Expect to do a lot of policy writing. afaik, apparmor can't confine users, only applications. |
| 11:57.44 | brontosaurusrex | zykotick9, i'am trying to run lightworks |
| 11:57.58 | Lope | when installing linux on a SSD, do I need to do anything special? |
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| 11:58.49 | JohnA | Brigo: sorry about the double ?, for some reason "finger trouble" I login as zzz2002- not my usual id. |
| 11:59.08 | Brigo | JohnA, np :) |
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| 12:02.20 | JohnA | Brigo: back to the question - this is on a Oscar EMR server, there will be only two users both admins. no regular users and I am a little worried about the level of expertise avail after I finish! |
| 12:03.20 | Brigo | JohnA, i only cut&paste what tremont said, i do not know about it. |
| 12:03.43 | JohnA | Brigo: thanks |
| 12:03.44 | tremon | JohnA: why are you even considering a security framework if the system has only 2 admins and no users? |
| 12:03.53 | Brigo | JohnA, np :) |
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| 12:04.03 | tremon | that seems like overkill |
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| 12:06.11 | JohnA | tremon: I tend to agree, however there maybe some liability and privacy issues, long term. |
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| 12:07.39 | tremon | sure, but those issues are not determined by access controls in the software. If you have two admins, their access scope will be broad |
| 12:08.45 | JohnA | tre |
| 12:08.46 | tremon | look into limiting physical/network access, reducing attack surface (no unnecessary programs), and auditing processes |
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| 12:10.42 | tremon | (I mean set up business practices auditing who has accesses the machine at what time, not OS process accounting) |
| 12:10.49 | tremon | and of course use full-disk encryption |
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| 12:11.45 | JohnA | tremon: I agree - as far as I know Debian has a very good reputation for being "hack proof". I think I will skip both apparmor and selinux for the moment and add them if force to. Thanks |
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| 12:12.52 | tremon | you shouldn't stake liability issues on reputation. Define your threat model, do a risk assessment, codify your assumptions and have them verified |
| 12:12.54 | JohnA | tremon: I can see encrypting the data/databases but I cannot see much point in encrypting the OS |
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| 12:14.27 | tremon | only encrypting data might be fine, until one "admin" thinks it's useful to save the unlock password somewhere on the unencrypted portion of the disk |
| 12:15.16 | tremon | in the same vein, having unencrypted swap is a bad idea as it may also contain unlock passphrases and/or patient data |
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| 12:16.15 | JohnA | tremon: but that about same as saving the disc key in the little book on top of the sever, stupidity will always trump any security mechanism? |
| 12:17.42 | JohnA | tremon: I would assume data and swap would be encrypted, I had also considered var (or at least spool) |
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| 12:18.24 | tremon | sure, hence why I suggested good business processes around access to the machine. At least a password in a notebook defends against remote attacks |
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| 12:18.57 | tremon | (barring the NSA using the hubble telescope to read the notebook through an open window) |
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| 12:19.11 | frostschutz | tremon, shhht no one supposed to know |
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| 12:19.21 | tremon | oh. oops |
| 12:20.03 | JohnA | tremon: and using some thing like one time pads, word on the page of a book etc, can mitigate even that! |
| 12:21.07 | tremon | yes. Anything goes, as long as you mention the risks and have management sign off on them |
| 12:22.17 | stack | hello, does anyone knows how to remove cached pages from ram? to simulate a cold start of any executable |
| 12:23.23 | JohnA | temon: yep, thanks for the input. it basically confirmed what i already thought, but I felt I should ask just in case there was something I was missing. |
| 12:23.27 | tremon | stack: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches |
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| 12:24.02 | stack | tremon: ok I was wondering if that would be enough |
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| 12:24.23 | tremon | JohnA: I'm sure there are dedicated security channels where you can get even more input |
| 12:24.27 | stack | because free -m still show some cached entries |
| 12:25.38 | tremon | stack: might be expected, as some parts (like the C library and running executables) can't be dropped. Or rather, they will be dropped but immediately read back in |
| 12:26.24 | brontosaurusrex | in sid: Dependency is not satisfiable: nvidia-cg-toolkit < any clues what that is? |
| 12:26.28 | stack | tremon: ok I was expecting those libs to be part of occupied memory and not cached, but anyway that could be enough for this test, thanks again |
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| 12:27.46 | tremon | stack: cached memory is every bit read off disk and not modified. That includes both executables and program data |
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| 12:27.51 | keith4 | brontosaurusrex: means you don't have non-free enabled |
| 12:28.00 | keith4 | also means you shouldn't be running sid ;-) |
| 12:28.21 | brontosaurusrex | keith4, right |
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| 12:29.08 | maxdml | am I dumb or is it really harassing to delete the old ssl certificates in chrome? :p can't delete them through the GUI (greyed button) |
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| 12:31.45 | abrotman | harassing? |
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| 12:32.36 | Kuroshita | hey guys, I've lost all sounds in Debian and am getting the following error when I try to open mixer: GStreamer was unable to detect any sound devices. Some sound system specific GStreamer packages may be missing. It may also be a permissions problem. |
| 12:32.54 | Kuroshita | any help would be super awesome |
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| 12:33.51 | maxdml | the web tells me to use certutils to delete the certificates |
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| 12:34.35 | sandman13 | Kuroshita: do you have PulseAudio or ALSA installed? |
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| 12:35.51 | brontosaurusrex | keith4, why not sid? |
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| 12:36.04 | Kuroshita | I believe both, it's a default xfce install |
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| 12:36.37 | abrotman | !dnuts |
| 12:36.38 | dpkg | well, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade> and <sid faq> |
| 12:36.43 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 12:36.47 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 12:36.48 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
| 12:37.22 | nkuttler | Kuroshita: output of aplay -l, and lspci -v ? |
| 12:38.01 | nkuttler | Kuroshita: btw, what did you change before this happened? |
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| 12:38.35 | Kuroshita | I tried to change the volume and it crackled and died |
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| 12:38.49 | brontosaurusrex | well: Dependency is not satisfiable: libtiff4 < i guess that is it? (sid seems to have libtiff5) |
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| 12:39.07 | j0z | anyone knows how not auto turn monitor off on windowmaker please? |
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| 12:39.17 | nkuttler | brontosaurusrex: for help with sid use #debian-next on the oftc irc network |
| 12:39.23 | Kuroshita | nkuttler, should I paste here? |
| 12:39.28 | keith4 | brontosaurusrex: asking these questions is not compatible with running sid |
| 12:39.31 | nkuttler | !tell Kuroshita about paste |
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| 12:39.54 | brontosaurusrex | keith4, user stupidy related? |
| 12:40.04 | brontosaurusrex | "stupidity" * |
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| 12:40.31 | keith4 | brontosaurusrex: no... just that sid will often be broken. it's literally "unstable". you don't get to run sid and then ask why stuff is broken. it's expected |
| 12:40.40 | Kuroshita | nkuttler, http://paste.debian.net/102981/ |
| 12:40.48 | brontosaurusrex | keith4, ok |
| 12:41.07 | brontosaurusrex | nkuttler, Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only). |
| 12:41.14 | nkuttler | !tell brontosaurusrex about oftc |
| 12:41.28 | nkuttler | Kuroshita: try running pavucontrol, and check if any device is muted |
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| 12:41.41 | nkuttler | Kuroshita: the gstreamer error is odd though, as you have sound cards.. |
| 12:41.42 | Kuroshita | nkuttler, http://paste.debian.net/102982/ |
| 12:41.53 | Kuroshita | yeah it's weird |
| 12:42.14 | Kuroshita | I got bash: pavucontrol: command not found |
| 12:42.39 | nkuttler | Kuroshita: hm, ps auxw | grep pulseaudio ? |
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| 12:43.31 | nkuttler | Kuroshita: ah, apparently it's only suggested from pulseaudio. might have to install it yourself |
| 12:44.08 | Kuroshita | http://paste.debian.net/102983/ |
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| 13:20.48 | brolin_empey | free_: It was a computer programming joke (pun). |
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| 13:23.29 | SirLagz | how hard is it to convert a x86 system to x64 ? |
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| 13:23.58 | SirLagz | and is it advisable to do so, or should I just start from scratch ? |
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| 13:24.04 | free_ | brolin_empey: So will it be completely dree? |
| 13:24.12 | joltcan | SirLagz: It's doable, but it sucks. Better to export the installed packages, copy /etc/ and start over |
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| 13:24.25 | SirLagz | joltcan: new box. so starting afresh sounds good. |
| 13:24.33 | SirLagz | pity this USB now won't boot =/ |
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| 13:24.49 | Guest29592 | hi, in debian 6, i've installed openjdk-6-jre-headless, but aptitude install clojure still wants to pull in xorg and gtk |
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| 13:25.21 | joltcan | SirLagz: should be easier now that the system can have multiple archs though |
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| 13:25.35 | free_ | anyone? |
| 13:25.54 | joltcan | SirLagz: maybe have a look here first? https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/03/msg00005.html |
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| 13:26.14 | SirLagz | clicks |
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| 13:26.45 | joltcan | SirLagz: I did this a few years back, and it was pretty bad: https://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit |
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| 13:27.06 | SirLagz | joltcan: looks like more effort than it's worth haha |
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| 13:27.32 | joltcan | SirLagz: indeed |
| 13:27.37 | themill | !crossgrade |
| 13:27.38 | dpkg | Converting an i386 installation into an amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me about <install debian>. If you've got good backups, plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try http://nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/crossgrading but really... good backups... |
| 13:27.47 | themill | (It's easier than what the wiki says) |
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| 13:28.11 | joltcan | themill: I'm so impressed that you remember all of that stuff |
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| 13:30.11 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: Why do you want an x86-64 OS instead of an x86-32 OS? |
| 13:30.27 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: why not ? |
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| 13:31.52 | jelly | brolin_empey: we're at the point where amd64 is becoming the norm instead of an exception |
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| 13:32.32 | talin | hello. is debian good for desktop systems? |
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| 13:32.47 | SirLagz | talin: yes |
| 13:33.22 | grok | talin: works for me. |
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| 13:34.45 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: At least for me, the limitations of x86-64 in practice far outweigh the theoretical advantages. I need backward compatibility. |
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| 13:35.17 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: what sort of backwards compatibility can't you get with x64 ? |
| 13:35.18 | tremon | x86-64 isn't backwards compatible? |
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| 13:36.06 | Johannes` | x86-64 processors are backwards compatible, but not binaries made for x86-64 |
| 13:36.10 | brolin_empey | I mean the theoretical advantages of x86-64 over x86-32. |
| 13:37.04 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: I still fail to see any disadvantages of running x64 when you can use multiarch and run x32 libs at the same time |
| 13:37.06 | tremon | Johannes`: x86-64 binaries running on x86-32 would be forwards-compatible. X86-32 binaries on x86-64 is more applicable |
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| 13:37.27 | Johannes` | tremon: exactly |
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| 13:39.40 | brolin_empey | tremon: You corrected Johannes` before I could. Too many persons do not understand the difference between backward compatibility and forward compatibility; they refer to backward compatibility when they mean forward compatibility. |
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| 13:44.38 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: Then you must never have needed to use any x86-32-only kernel-mode code. |
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| 13:48.32 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: that is true. I haven't had to do anything like that |
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| 13:49.13 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: Then you are lucky because you would likely be screwed if you did need to. |
| 13:50.18 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: what sort of things need x86-only kernel-mode code ? |
| 13:51.42 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: My point is that I do not think you should switch from x86-32 to x86-64 only because you /can/. I learned that lesson the difficult way. |
| 13:53.35 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: well as the Xen guide recommends a 64bit hypervisor, I think I'll be sticking to what the guide says |
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| 13:57.11 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: There is also a popular myth that using more than 4 GiB of RAM requires an x86-64 OS. The truth is that an x86-32 OS can use the Physical Address Extension (PAE) capability of the CPU to use more than 4 GiB of RAM at once. |
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| 13:58.02 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: yes, I'm aware of that fact |
| 13:58.26 | OpenTokix | brolin_empey: but not for a single process |
| 13:58.48 | OpenTokix | there is no reason whatsoever to install a 32bit OS today |
| 13:59.04 | OpenTokix | unless you need it for some pisspoor leagacy app, that you should switch out anyway |
| 13:59.47 | brolin_empey | OpenTokix: You just contradicted yourself in 2 sentences. |
| 13:59.59 | OpenTokix | brolin_empey: yeah =) |
| 14:00.06 | OpenTokix | brolin_empey: no rules without exceptions |
| 14:00.10 | OpenTokix | etc. |
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| 14:01.03 | brolin_empey | OpenTokix: In the Real World™, I do not have access to the source code of all the software I need to use. |
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| 14:01.34 | OpenTokix | brolin_empey: if you have a software, that do not run on 64bit OS - you should replace it asap |
| 14:01.56 | malcom2073 | OpenTokix: Some people don't have thousands of dollars to pay to get software rewritten :) |
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| 14:02.06 | OpenTokix | malcom2073: Stop using it then |
| 14:02.10 | OpenTokix | malcom2073: replace it |
| 14:02.10 | malcom2073 | Tbh, you should switch to 64bit if you can, but often times you can't |
| 14:02.21 | malcom2073 | OpenTokix: There aren't always other options, especially in the industrial world |
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| 14:02.41 | OpenTokix | malcom2073: There is always options, like there is always lazy unwilling people =) |
| 14:03.05 | malcom2073 | Effort is not free, it's not a matter of lazy, it's often a matter of cost |
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| 14:03.37 | SirLagz | malcom2073: or more specifically, who is willing to bear that cost. |
| 14:03.57 | OpenTokix | malcom2073: And its free to support legacy OS:s ;) |
| 14:04.03 | malcom2073 | SirLagz: If anyone is willing to bear it |
| 14:04.08 | SirLagz | indeed. |
| 14:04.10 | malcom2073 | OpenTokix: Maintainin the status quo is often cheapest |
| 14:04.13 | malcom2073 | maintaining* |
| 14:04.23 | SirLagz | malcom2073: government organisations are notorious for that =/ |
| 14:04.27 | malcom2073 | Yep |
| 14:04.38 | malcom2073 | but people complain with tax raises, so hey, gotta go the cheapest route |
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| 14:06.42 | OpenTokix | I only see excuses |
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| 14:08.41 | malcom2073 | As are often numerous when trying to avoid spending money. |
| 14:09.21 | brolin_empey | OpenTokix: In the Real World™, relying on a “pisspoor leagacy app” is often required. |
| 14:09.28 | SirLagz | and often, the end result is more money is wasted maintaining old infrastructure than moving to new infrastructure |
| 14:09.33 | nodiscc | Hello everyone |
| 14:10.00 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: I'm curious what sort of app you use that *requires* a 32bit kernel |
| 14:10.09 | nodiscc | Is anyone familiar with converting virtual disks (VDI) to raw disk images? |
| 14:10.36 | OpenTokix | brolin_empey: and also to stay out of spotlight for their mediocre peers it is also good to keep head down, dont touch anything, and take home a salary |
| 14:10.40 | OpenTokix | ... and hate life |
| 14:11.12 | nodiscc | trying to move a VDI to a raw disk with 'qemu-img convert' or 'VBoxManage internalcommands converttoraw' but I always end up with an old snapshot on the physical disk |
| 14:11.25 | SirLagz | nodiscc: delete all the snapshots first ? |
| 14:11.51 | nodiscc | I'd like to wrtie the current state to the physical disk |
| 14:12.06 | nodiscc | SirLagz: not really an option unfortunately, I want to keep the snapshots |
| 14:12.08 | SirLagz | nodiscc: if VirtualBox works the same as VMWare, then you'll need to delete all the snapshots for it to be able to write the current state to a physical disk |
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| 14:13.01 | nodiscc | SirLagz: hum maybe I should clone that VM, delete the snapshots on the clone, and work from there |
| 14:13.13 | SirLagz | nodiscc: that's an option |
| 14:13.23 | nodiscc | looks like a good idea, trying. |
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| 14:15.32 | nodiscc | moving that VM back to an old box, Celeron E3300 with 512MB DDR |
| 14:15.38 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: At least for Windows NT, my employer still relies on Mentor Graphics Corporation Expedition Series WG2002, which cannot officially be installed on Windows NT for any architecture other than x86-32 because the setup.exe application on the distribution media is a New Executable instead of a Portable Executable. |
| 14:16.06 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: ah. Well I was thinking of Debian applications...since this is #debian. |
| 14:16.24 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: I expect that sort of stuff in the Windows world. In fact, my work still has NT4 boxes running. *shudders* |
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| 14:18.57 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: Can you still run an a.out executable or a libc5 application on GNU/Linux for x86-64? That is a serious question, not a rhetorical quesion. |
| 14:19.34 | SirLagz | nodiscc: can't find anything concrete, but the general idea behind snapshots is that the base image stays the same, the snapshot file that is created just stores the extra data that is added since you took the snapshot |
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| 14:19.47 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: I can't say that I've tried, but I'm sure that I could. |
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| 14:20.06 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: I can run 32bit applications on my 64bit box |
| 14:20.09 | monod | Hey all! |
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| 14:20.29 | monod | I've added a mount line in fstab, but I cannot unmount the related drive with nautilus! |
| 14:20.34 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: if you can find me a libc5 application, I'd be happy to try |
| 14:20.36 | nodiscc | SirLagz: true, there are a lot of small .vdi's in the Snapshots/ subdirectory. Just diffs I guess. |
| 14:20.42 | SirLagz | nodiscc: yep |
| 14:20.47 | monod | Even though I can mount it. |
| 14:20.49 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: Yes, using the ELF, not a.out . |
| 14:20.58 | monod | ("Only root can umount") |
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| 14:21.15 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: i guess it would also depend on kernel options too. I've compiled kernels with support for a.out files |
| 14:21.45 | nodiscc | monod: if you specify a mountpoint in fstab, only root can unmount it. If you want your normal user to be able to mount/unmount it, remove the line in fstab |
| 14:21.59 | SirLagz | monod: what fstab options do you have ? |
| 14:22.27 | nodiscc | or add "user" as mount option |
| 14:22.36 | SirLagz | nodiscc: that's what I was about to say :D |
| 14:22.47 | monod | No guys, I've also tried that :D |
| 14:22.55 | monod | It didn't work, it told me about ntfs-3g |
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| 14:22.58 | monod | Rebuild.. |
| 14:23.00 | monod | Etc.. |
| 14:23.07 | monod | Don't know how/what to do with that :/ |
| 14:23.14 | SirLagz | monod: are you trying to mount/unmount an NTFS volume ? |
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| 14:23.55 | monod | Oh. Ehm. Yeah. :D SirCmpwn |
| 14:23.57 | monod | OOPS |
| 14:24.00 | monod | SirLagz, |
| 14:24.01 | monod | :D |
| 14:24.11 | SirLagz | monod: well that's a recipe for disaster. :P </joke> |
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| 14:24.26 | SirLagz | monod: why are you trying to automatically mount/unmount an NTFS volume ? |
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| 14:25.52 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: Netscape Navigator 3.x is a legally publicly-available libc5 application for GNU/Linux on x86-32 but it uses the ELF, not a.out . IIRC, at least 1 version of Mosaic Netscape for GNU/Linux on x86-32 still uses a.out instead of the ELF. |
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| 14:26.20 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: if you can find me one that uses a.out, I'll try it and let you know :D |
| 14:26.23 | nodiscc | monod: I've seen that horrendous ntfs-3g message in the past. Of you want it to automount, add the line to fstab (but you'll have to be root to unmount). Or leave it out and you'll be able manually mount/unmount it (no root required) |
| 14:26.38 | nodiscc | s/Of/If/ |
| 14:27.53 | monod | The story is this, SirLagz: I initially installed linux "sideways" with windows, so I read on the internet that I might want a shared "data" partition. |
| 14:28.07 | monod | So, I created this extra-large ntfs partition et voilà. |
| 14:28.17 | SirLagz | of all the partition types. WHY NTFS ?!?!!? |
| 14:28.19 | monod | (To avoid making windows able to read ext4 partitions. :P ) |
| 14:29.01 | monod | SirLagz, because that guide told me to do so (first time I installed linux) and because I believed it was the only partition type supported by windows to make a data partition. |
| 14:29.13 | monod | Of course, also FAT* |
| 14:29.24 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: Microsoft Windows proper is far worse than Windows NT 4.0 . |
| 14:29.35 | centrx | Windows 9x |
| 14:29.36 | SirLagz | unless you're storing big files, I would have used fat. |
| 14:29.47 | monod | Of course big files. |
| 14:29.48 | monod | :D |
| 14:29.50 | petn-randall | SirLagz: NTFS is oko for exchange of data betweens Windows/Linux. FAT doesn't come with any journaling, so it's more prone to data loss. |
| 14:30.20 | monod | Which would be a huge trouble |
| 14:30.26 | monod | (data loss) |
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| 14:30.37 | SirLagz | petn-randall: I'd use NTFS for stuff like external hard drives. not for a data sharing partition though |
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| 14:31.04 | monod | Can I ask you your respectives linux's experience in years? |
| 14:31.07 | monod | Just curious. |
| 14:31.14 | petn-randall | SirLagz: Oh, and file permissions is also a bonus of NTFS. Far better IMHO than FAT or even exFAT. |
| 14:31.26 | SirLagz | but then again, I haven't had to deal with a data sharing partition in quite a few years lol |
| 14:31.39 | SirLagz | petn-randall: file permissions which get totally ignored on *nix ? |
| 14:31.40 | monod | And that's not my case :P |
| 14:31.59 | petn-randall | SirLagz: Not if you want them to be respected. |
| 14:32.06 | SirLagz | monod: I've been using linux for 13 years I guess ? |
| 14:32.07 | SirLagz | petn-randall: ah true. |
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| 14:32.30 | monod | (I'll take auto-mount off from fstab anyway.) |
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| 14:33.03 | andy1978 | after a dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie getsockopt(SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR) returns 0 (success) but optlen is 0 (zero). Any hints where to start searching? |
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| 14:33.33 | monod | Goodbye! |
| 14:33.34 | brolin_empey | monod: There are multiple publicly-available Installable File Systems (IFSes) for Windows NT for at least ext2/ext3. |
| 14:34.15 | petn-randall | andy1978: jessie/sid are supported in #debian-next of irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:34.34 | andy1978 | petn-randall: okay, thank you |
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| 14:34.53 | SirLagz | time to plug in this clunky old PowerEdge 2800 and see what it does :D |
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| 14:36.04 | brolin_empey | monod seems to be repeating the computing mistakes of my adolescence. :-/ |
| 14:36.27 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: lol |
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| 14:37.44 | brolin_empey | The simple hardware solution is to simultaneously run Windows NT and GNU/Linux on physically separate computers. |
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| 14:38.23 | brolin_empey | I mean to run both as the host OS on physically separate computers. |
| 14:39.31 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: that's what I did :D |
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| 14:41.21 | nodiscc | guess what I have the same problem as monod. Need this computer to do audio stuff on windows. Need this computer to run Debian for sanity. Too cheap to afford a second drive for storing audio files -> Need a shared partition. |
| 14:41.34 | nodiscc | Do I want windows to be able to access my ext4 partitions? no. |
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| 14:41.47 | nodiscc | Do I want to use NTFS on Debian? no. |
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| 14:41.55 | PrinceAMD_ | hi guys, which package has mod_proxy_fcgi |
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| 14:43.03 | brolin_empey | nodiscc: Use Cygwin on Windows NT running as the host OS instead of running GNU/Linux as the host OS. :-D |
| 14:43.37 | SirLagz | nodiscc: do you want an overengineerd solution ? |
| 14:43.45 | nodiscc | > sanity |
| 14:43.47 | nodiscc | > Cygwin |
| 14:44.10 | nodiscc | SirLagz: sure, let me hear that :) |
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| 14:45.25 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: Overengineering is fun. :-P |
| 14:45.38 | SirLagz | nodiscc: raspberry pi with a usb hdd exposing it over both SMB and NFS |
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| 14:46.25 | nodiscc | SirLagz: close enough :) I'm currently setting up that old Celeron box to serve files over SFTP |
| 14:46.30 | SirLagz | nodiscc: haha |
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| 14:47.26 | brolin_empey | nodiscc: In other words, use GNU/Windows NT as the host OS instead of using GNU/Linux as the host OS. :-P |
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| 14:48.34 | brolin_empey | Will rms hate me for using the term “GNU/Windows (NT)”? :-D |
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| 14:48.48 | SirLagz | haha |
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| 14:50.37 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: I would use an x86 computer using eSATA instead of an ARM computer using the USB. |
| 14:50.40 | SirLagz | I wonder where ReactOS is up to... |
| 14:50.50 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: ARM using eSATA ! |
| 14:51.17 | SirLagz | best of both worlds ! :P |
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| 14:53.46 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: No, no ARM. x86 > ARM. My current handheld computer is a Geeksphone Revolution imported to Canada from Spain because the Revolution uses x86 (an Intel Atom SoC) + PCI instead of the ARM. :-P |
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| 14:55.13 | utopian | Hi all. -^.^- hey where is /run /run/shm et all mounted at. I don't see it in fstab. I'm tryin to change the uid and perms |
| 14:55.25 | gebjgd | hi all |
| 14:55.28 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: what's wrong with ARM ? |
| 14:55.37 | gebjgd | now i have a haswell computer with debian stable |
| 14:55.47 | utopian | Naice man! |
| 14:55.52 | utopian | I might have a haswell as soon as next year |
| 14:55.55 | gebjgd | it does not work with dual display |
| 14:56.26 | gebjgd | how can i get all the feature with the intel haswell |
| 14:56.35 | gebjgd | to testing? |
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| 14:57.38 | utopian | Are your unnin Intel HD gebjgd |
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| 14:58.24 | centrx | gebjgd, First, try upgrading the kernel using the newer kernel from wheezy-backports |
| 14:58.31 | gebjgd | utopian: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06) |
| 14:58.43 | gebjgd | centrx: i have already done |
| 14:58.55 | gebjgd | but xorg-intel is still old |
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| 15:00.21 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: I want my mobile and embedded computers to use the same architecture as my desktop computers. Why bother with the cross-compilation chore when I can simply use an x86 SoC instead of an ARM SoC? |
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| 15:00.45 | SirLagz | brolin_empey: what chore ? I simply apt-get stuff on both my arm and x86 boxes lol |
| 15:01.04 | utopian | Eff arm run debian on sparc64 it's b adass |
| 15:01.08 | gebjgd | utopian: any ideas? |
| 15:01.38 | utopian | No gebjgd I joined like 10 seconds 4 u did. I'm tryin have a question answered myself. I don't use linux for desktop envrinonment |
| 15:01.54 | gebjgd | utopian: ...... |
| 15:02.09 | brolin_empey | utopian: x86 is the One True Path™. :-P |
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| 15:04.39 | lawr | Hello, I have a technet wireless mouse and it doesn't work in Debian, what do I do? |
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| 15:04.56 | petn-randall | lawr: How is it connected? |
| 15:05.02 | utopian | The wireless is all in hardware man |
| 15:05.04 | utopian | It aughta work |
| 15:05.07 | lawr | petn-randall: USB |
| 15:05.28 | brolin_empey | lawr: Use a corded mouse? :-P |
| 15:05.29 | gebjgd | i think i should update to testing to get my new intel driver |
| 15:05.42 | lawr | brolin_empey: no this is a new better mouse:) |
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| 15:06.23 | utopian | If a wireless mouse is made accurately the machine will just see it as a normal usb hid mouse |
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| 15:07.18 | sh00p | Anyone had any luck using output channels from rsyslogd to keep log files a certain size? I can't figure it out... I have this at the moment: http://fpaste.org/106502/01721611/ |
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| 15:07.26 | sh00p | but the logs keep growing and growing and never rotates |
| 15:07.51 | brolin_empey | SirLagz: I actually manually write and build software on my computers. Copying executable files between x86 computers is much easier than dealing with the cross-compilation chore. :-P |
| 15:08.29 | utopian | K lol so much :-P |
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| 15:08.59 | JohnA | really dumb question - I am setting up a server and have been advised to encrypt the data storage, what happens after the power is restored after an extend outage. does somebody have to enter the paraphrase to boot the system. I am assuming raid 6 for data storage. |
| 15:09.18 | utopian | JohnA: yeh more or less, unless you have a hardware based key |
| 15:09.31 | utopian | er a keyserver etc |
| 15:09.58 | lawr | wow this stupid mouse |
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| 15:10.47 | JohnA | utopian: if I have a random key/hardware key whats the point of encrypting - if somebody steals the equipment then they have the key! don't they. |
| 15:10.50 | lawr | utopian: when I turn it on, one light is showing the sensor thing is off |
| 15:10.57 | lawr | Maybe this godamn mouse is broken? |
| 15:11.06 | lawr | it is new.. |
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| 15:11.28 | utopian | JohnA: at a certain point it all is local security and boils down to like, hired folkz w/ gunz man. The idea is that if the time came you could pull the key and gtfo out of there |
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| 15:12.36 | utopian | Like you may have 1 key for entire datacenter |
| 15:12.38 | utopian | Awn keyserver |
| 15:12.43 | utopian | It might be like a USB drive stick |
| 15:12.51 | utopian | et al |
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| 15:14.00 | JohnA | utopian: hmmmm. whats the point of encryption on a server? |
| 15:14.14 | utopian | I'm noa nswering a redundant question |
| 15:14.15 | utopian | kthnx |
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| 15:15.07 | brolin_empey | JohnA: There is no security without physical security. |
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| 15:16.24 | petn-randall | utopian: How is that question redundant? Maybe you mean rhetorical? |
| 15:16.51 | utopian | It's redundant because if you know what encryption even means then you ar esmart enough to no ask such a stupid fuckin question |
| 15:16.57 | utopian | eh, excuse me |
| 15:17.40 | utopian | Alrite no one is answerin my q i'ma try again another time |
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| 15:17.49 | petn-randall | !l33t |
| 15:17.49 | dpkg | Plz uze #debian-l33t 4 hlp in l33t !! U wud get m0re helpz their !!! lol L33t speakers, please use #debian-l33t for help in the l33t dialect. You will get much more help there. |
| 15:18.40 | brolin_empey | JohnA: If untrusted persons have physical access to your computer, your computer is insecure. |
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| 15:19.14 | nodiscc | SirLagz: cloning the VM and converting the VDI image to raw disk from there worked :) thanks |
| 15:19.23 | JohnA | brolin_empey: That a given. I am trying to work out how to setup a small business server that has highly confidential info on it. And as always the theres a trade off between making it workable for the users (all no techies) and making it secure! I assume that if we can "guarantee" physical security the encryption become mott. |
| 15:20.11 | petn-randall | disk encryption still makes sense, IMHO. If a disk fails, you have one thing less to worry about if you want to dispose it. |
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| 15:22.07 | JohnA | petn-randall: there is that, but as its a raid 6 setup I am not sure that getting hold of a single drive in 5 drive array matters. |
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| 15:23.56 | JohnA | petn-randall: actually thats probaly 5+ |
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| 15:27.15 | petn-randall | JohnA: Sure it does. With a chunk size of 512 KB you can easily snoop a private key of up to 4096 bits. |
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| 15:30.19 | brolin_empey | JohnA: Based on my personal experience (trying to) support(ing) casual computer end users in a small business environment, some persons would almost seriously be better off still using their hands to work with paper because they are unwilling to learn how to correctly use a computer as a new tool to work more efficiently than by working by hand with paper. More generally: If you (general you, not you personally) are unwilling to learn how to correctly and |
| 15:30.19 | brolin_empey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:31.57 | brolin_empey | s/better of/better off/ |
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| 15:33.51 | JohnA | petn-randall: raid 5/6 does not write to the drive in blocks the data is xored across all the drives, so if I remember correctly one will give you 1/n fraction of the data, you would need some method of reconstruction the data. Which usually means you need n-1 drives for raid 5, and n-2 drives for raid 6. |
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| 15:34.21 | brolin_empey | s/effciently/efficiently/gi |
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| 15:36.00 | JohnA | brolin_empey: I would agree, however most of these people are very good at using the desktop tools they have, its dealing with a headless server that scares the hell out of them. |
| 15:36.10 | petn-randall | JohnA: Nope, better read up how RAID5/6 works. :) |
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| 15:37.43 | brolin_empey | JohnA: I hope you realise that RAID is an availability solution, not a backup solution. |
| 15:38.00 | iateadonut | what's it called when you make an entire distrubution within your distribution and then log into it? |
| 15:38.06 | iateadonut | ch*something i think. |
| 15:38.23 | brolin_empey | iateadonut: chroot? |
| 15:39.10 | iateadonut | thanks! |
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| 15:41.46 | JohnA | petn-randall: raid 5 xors the data across the drive and write a parity block on a spare driver. in the event of a drive failure the raid ware xors the remaining drive with the parity drive to recreate the data. raid 6 works in a similar fashion to raid 5 but the parity is distributed across all the drives. raid 5 can withstand a single drive failure raid 6 can withstand 2 drives, both of these assertions a generalizations. |
| 15:42.27 | zinx | multilevel raid! |
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| 15:44.36 | shawnbon206 | yeah |
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| 15:45.31 | JohnA | brolin_empey: yep understood, availability is paramount in the environment, so in addition to aid for the data we all so have hot standby systems, plus the usual things like ups, multi wan. mult lan.... |
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| 15:46.01 | khem_ | http://pastie.org/private/4sjqka7i0dnzwbodxskndw - What can I do here to avoid downgrading or removing the kernel? |
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| 15:46.29 | shawnbon206 | are we talking kfreebsd here? |
| 15:46.51 | petn-randall | JohnA: No! RAID5 does *not* have a single parity drive. That would be RAID4. RAID5 and 6 come in a certain chunk size, it's not a byte level parity. Usual chunk sizes are 512 KB, which is more than enough to recover useful data from a "failed" HDD. In both cases, (RAID5 and 6) the parity is evenly distributed among all disks. |
| 15:47.26 | shawnbon206 | raid 6 is the new raid 5 |
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| 15:47.55 | shawnbon206 | raid 5 should be considered obsolete for most purposes |
| 15:48.14 | petn-randall | shawnbon206: Try making a RAID6 with 3 disks. :) |
| 15:48.42 | zinx | lol |
| 15:48.48 | zinx | might as well just mirror |
| 15:49.02 | FanBoy | Hi |
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| 15:49.22 | shawnbon206 | petn-randall i said most porpoises |
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| 15:50.30 | shawnbon206 | who makes NAS' with only 3 disks? |
| 15:50.43 | zinx | use a crapton of RAM with lazy writing to hard drives and redundant power supplies |
| 15:50.54 | JohnA | brolin_empey: petn-randall: my concern was whether a system restart would require them having to call in a techie, or if we could setup so that the systems used auto restart. Which led me to wonder if encrypting the disk was worth it. |
| 15:51.03 | zinx | shawnbon206: people who aren't filthy rich |
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| 15:51.55 | petn-randall | JohnA: You can always add a single key for rebooting purposes, which you can remove again once the reboot went through without problems. |
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| 15:52.37 | petn-randall | JohnA: That way it has the "feature" that an unplanned reboot won't make the partition automatically accessible. |
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| 16:02.41 | bhattigurjot | hello, how can I enable "Source Code repositories" in Software Sources using command line? |
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| 16:03.14 | buu | deb-src ? |
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| 16:03.35 | petn-randall | !tell bhattigurjot -about deb-src |
| 16:03.35 | bhattigurjot | buu: yeah |
| 16:03.39 | petn-randall | !tell bhattigurjot -about source |
| 16:03.50 | petn-randall | bhattigurjot: The bot should have sent you info to get you starting. |
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| 16:06.03 | bhattigurjot | petn-randall: thanks :-) |
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| 16:07.33 | JohnA | petn-randall: not having the partition automatically available is a problem. the partition in question contains the SQl database for the main function of the server. |
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| 16:10.03 | JohnA | i think that encryption, while a good idea on desktops or equipment that has multiple direct users, in this case it may create more problems than it solves. |
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| 16:10.42 | buu | Anyone happen to know where the zfs-mount package went? Or what it did? |
| 16:11.43 | petn-randall | JohnA: it really depends on what your threat scenario is. |
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| 16:14.50 | frostschutz | JohnA, parity is distributed for raid5 as well, raid6 just has two different kinds of parity to allow two drives to fail |
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| 16:15.20 | shawnbon206 | which is highly likely with todays 3tb+ drives |
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| 16:15.51 | frostschutz | as if 80GB drives never failed... ;) |
| 16:15.54 | Cpuroast | which is why Raid5 is a very bad idea with today's drives |
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| 16:16.19 | shawnbon206 | ^^ |
| 16:16.23 | petn-randall | shawnbon206: The MTBF has stayed pretty much constant even though disk sizes exploded. |
| 16:16.26 | frostschutz | I don't have enough disks for raid6, but whatever makes you happy |
| 16:17.08 | frostschutz | I still think monitoring is more important - if you don't check your disks for read errors constantly, no amount of redundancy will save your raid |
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| 16:18.06 | JohnA | petn-randall: theft of equipment, but it seems that in order to make the system "workable" in a non-techie environment encryption may create more problems than it solves. I still think it might be a good idea, the problem is how to make it work simply and easily. maybe the answer is to forgo auto-restart and make sure that they know how to restart the system when needed. |
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| 16:20.07 | petn-randall | JohnA: Unlocking the disk is something you can explain how to do to a non-techie. Either give them a long character sequence they have to store in a safe place, or get them yubikey. Either way you'll have to tell them that keeping the passphrase secret is an essential part of the security concept. |
| 16:20.16 | shawnbon206 | petn-randall ok after a quick google i believe that to be true (i just skimmed a study) |
| 16:20.18 | frostschutz | JohnA, my vserver (with aesni) is fde and autorestarts... the key is a hash of some variables such as mac address, cpuinfo, free memory, etc. If you grab an image (or steal the disk) and start it yourself it does not work |
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| 16:20.50 | shawnbon206 | still happy i did raid z2 with 6 WD Reds :) |
| 16:21.37 | JohnA | petn-randall: is there a way of pulling the keys off a usb stick or similar so that they cold plug in the "key" storage and once the system is up remove key once the system is up. I will look into yubi key thnx. |
| 16:23.05 | JohnA | frostschutz: that works provided only the disk is stolen, what happens when the whole system is stolen. |
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| 16:26.03 | JohnA | frostschutz: Rai is not a cure for disk failure, it just buys you time to swap a bad drive while allowing the system to keep running. as brolin_empey said its an availability measure not a cure for failing disks. |
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| 16:28.04 | petn-randall | JohnA: brolin_empey said "RAID is an availability solution, not a backup solution." It actually *does* help against failing disks ... |
| 16:28.14 | frostschutz | JohnA, the problem with disk failure is that you don't notice it if you don't test for it. read errors can go undetected for months - until another drive fails and the rebuild hits you |
| 16:28.24 | frostschutz | there is no cure for disk failure, disks fail when they fail |
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| 16:28.44 | petn-randall | That's why you regularly scrub your RAID ... |
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| 16:32.52 | porton | After some system update, automated suspending (or is it standing by?) of the monitor stopped to work. Which package to report the bug to? |
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| 16:35.16 | petn-randall | Hi porton, which release are you running? Assuming it's a desktop machine, is it enabled in your desktop settings? |
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| 16:35.38 | porton | petn-randall: jessie. How to enable it in desktop settings? (Gnome 3) |
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| 16:36.16 | petn-randall | porton: jessie/sid are supported in #debian-next of irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:36.31 | JohnA | petn-randall: the brain thought, but the fingers did obey! system monitoring is something that must be on going whether its for raid problem or anything else |
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| 16:36.47 | porton | petn-randall: Anyway I've updated my ssytem and will reboot. I am not sure whether the bug persists. Bye |
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| 16:37.59 | JohnA | ok, upshot of all of this - encryption is a good idea, even if it makes auto restart impractical. raid 6 is in, system monitoring is a must! |
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| 16:38.42 | JohnA | petn-randall: " but the fingersdid NOT obey" |
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| 16:41.25 | JohnA | even if encryption of HDD, is not implemented, encryption of back ups Mandatory |
| 16:42.10 | JohnA | I have to be else where soon, I will wish all a good day. |
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| 16:59.55 | litb | hello all |
| 17:00.39 | litb | i need to install glib-2.0:i386 (as a project i want to build depends on it, and i run on x86_64, but want to build for x86) |
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| 17:01.09 | litb | but i can't install it since " libspice-client-glib-2.0-dev:i386 : Depends: libspice-protocol-dev:i386 but it is not installable" |
| 17:01.28 | wols | ,v libspice-protocol-dev |
| 17:01.29 | litb | does anyone know a workaround for this? I don't really need libspice functionality |
| 17:01.29 | judd | Package: libspice-protocol-dev on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 0.10.1-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.10.1-1; wheezy-backports: 0.12.6-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 0.12.7-1; sid: 0.12.7-1 |
| 17:01.38 | litb | i'm using wheezy |
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| 17:02.30 | wols | tried to install that package explicitly? tried to see if it exists via apt-cache policy? |
| 17:03.00 | litb | apt-get install libspice-protocol-dev:i386 says "E: Package 'libspice-protocol-dev:i386' has no installation candidate" |
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| 17:07.08 | litb | wols, policy says it has no candidate aswell |
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| 17:08.29 | wols | install it normally, without i386. it's an "all" package, not a binary one |
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| 17:08.58 | wols | if all fails: use a 32bit chroot instead |
| 17:09.01 | litb | wols, i tried, but it still moans |
| 17:09.24 | litb | wols, but i just discovered there is a libglib-2.0 aswell which works with :i386 |
| 17:09.32 | litb | neat :) |
| 17:09.49 | litb | apparently that just contains the libs without all the other stuff of glib2 (perhaps some of the binaries) |
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| 17:17.44 | Rzynox | Is 128mb (w/ 64mb vSWAP) enough for a DNS server? Specifically this: http://lowendbox.com/blog/rijx-openvz-vps-in-los-angeles-starting-at-5year-for-128mb-and-up-to-6month-for-1gb/ |
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| 17:18.46 | mjt | yes 128Mb is enough for a (small) DNS server, but why? I think you can rent just the DNS services, and that will be cheaper... |
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| 17:19.10 | mjt | or is it sort of advertisement? :) |
| 17:19.29 | Rzynox | I don't know, it just sounds like a fun project. I haven't messed with any DNS stuff |
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| 17:20.00 | mjt | I can guess there are lots of things with which you haven't messed... ;) |
| 17:20.37 | Rzynox | Such as? I love new projects :D |
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| 17:23.04 | Tau | i downloaded a version of debian to install my new laptop. |
| 17:23.13 | Tau | but it says it is 65 bits so it is not supported. |
| 17:23.19 | Tau | it is a intel celeron b800. |
| 17:23.34 | Tau | which debian package should i downloaded? |
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| 17:24.20 | nkuttler | Tau: " it says it is 65 [sic] bits" what's it? |
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| 17:27.27 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.30 | Tau | the processor. |
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| 17:28.04 | edju | I had problems w/ wireless so I thought I might use a different driver w/ the Broadcom card. I installed brcmsmac and blacklisted b43. Now I have no wlan0, lpci -vnn -d 14e4: yielded " Kernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge ". Problem? Solution? |
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| 17:28.42 | LtL | Tau: what iso image did you use, that is a 64 bit processor so you want the amd64 iso |
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| 17:28.58 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.05 | Tau | i used a i386. |
| 17:29.26 | LtL | Tau: you can use that too |
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| 17:30.51 | LtL | Tau: you cannot use amd64 on a 32 bit processor but you can use either oneon a 64bit. 64 would be recommended but it may depend on what you run and use it for |
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| 17:59.12 | dym | Hey everyone. Is there a decent web-frontend for Samba4? |
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| 18:02.49 | teraflop | years ago it was swat |
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| 18:03.38 | cra1g321 | has anyone been able to install the nvidia driver from backports successfully ? i installed a fresh wheezy install, installed the kernel + headers from backports, rebooted, then installed the nvidia driver from backports but it doesnt load |
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| 18:04.22 | dym | teraflop: and now? :D |
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| 18:04.45 | Radon_3 | OK, I don't get it, what is the catch, I don't get it, why is debian free? I mean millions of lines of code, so secure, so exact .... why? |
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| 18:04.53 | centrx | cra1g321, Which packages did you install? |
| 18:04.59 | Radon_3 | So devoted? |
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| 18:05.09 | Radon_3 | Does someone know in here? |
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| 18:05.58 | teraflop | idn dym |
| 18:06.09 | centrx | Radon_3, http://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software |
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| 18:07.14 | centrx | Radon_3, http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ |
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| 18:07.35 | centrx | Radon_3, https://www.debian.org/intro/free |
| 18:08.01 | cra1g321 | centrx - linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64, linux-headers-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64, then rebooted, then installed nvidia-kernel-dkms and nvidia-xconfig then rebooted, did lsmod and nvidia driver isnt loaded |
| 18:08.23 | Tau | http://ark.intel.com/pt-br/products/59570/Intel-Celeron-Processor-B800-(2M-Cache-1_50-GHz) |
| 18:08.30 | Tau | thats the processor that i have in my laptop. |
| 18:08.43 | Tau | which debian architecture should i download? that is 64 but it is not amd. |
| 18:08.47 | Tau | so what should i do? |
| 18:08.50 | wols | Tau: it is amd64 |
| 18:09.13 | wols | if you have 4GB RAM or more, you should use AMD64, if less RAM, i386 |
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| 18:09.44 | centrx | cra1g321, I would try the xserver-xorg-video-nvidia driver first |
| 18:10.04 | centrx | cra1g321, and I think the complete installation of the driver you were installing requires installing the package "nvidia-driver" |
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| 18:10.40 | wols | !nvidia dkms |
| 18:10.41 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 18:10.52 | cra1g321 | im using backports wols |
| 18:11.06 | wols | cra1g321: and this is relevant how? |
| 18:11.35 | cra1g321 | well that didnt work anyway |
| 18:11.39 | centrx | Those seem like unnecessarily convoluted instructions |
| 18:11.40 | cra1g321 | that is what i tried first |
| 18:11.53 | centrx | cra1g321, Did you do apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia nvidia-driver |
| 18:11.53 | wols | centrx: they are about as short and succinct as possible |
| 18:12.04 | cra1g321 | no |
| 18:12.16 | cra1g321 | im looking at the packages now and seeing it got added |
| 18:12.18 | Radon_3 | just finished reading https://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software and free software feels to me, like a cool (semicold) refreshing breathe in a very beautiful morning.... |
| 18:12.25 | cra1g321 | if * |
| 18:12.25 | wols | cra1g321: check if "nvidia" is loaded, check your Xorg.0.log |
| 18:12.26 | centrx | wols, I would think it would work without a configuration file, or that the package would create the configuration entry if necessary? |
| 18:12.37 | jhutchins | cra1g321: What errors does it log when it fails to load? |
| 18:12.38 | wols | centrx: no |
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| 18:13.16 | cra1g321 | juhtchins i don't have the install anymore, i quickly loaded up another distro just cos i was in a rush |
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| 18:13.33 | wols | cra1g321: what nvidia card do you use? |
| 18:13.41 | ScottE | cra1g321: you are stuck in a position where there is no working nvidia driver in the wheezy repos (even backport) for newer kernels. If you go download and install the 331 driver from nvidia's website it will probably be just fine |
| 18:14.09 | wols | ,v nvidia-dkms |
| 18:14.10 | judd | No package named 'nvidia-dkms' was found in i386. |
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| 18:14.31 | cra1g321 | and old Zotac 8800GT amp edition, the wiki instructions work fine, if i stick with wheezy and not backports, but i thought i would use the kernel from backports so i could get sound support, and wouldnt have to manually install a realtek driver |
| 18:15.14 | wols | cra1g321: just keep in mind, if you follow ScottE's bad advice you will not get support for it here anymore and you will have problems in the future after upgrades |
| 18:15.33 | cra1g321 | yh i know i would have to install it again after each kernel upgrade |
| 18:15.48 | ScottE | And yet my advice is the only way it will work until a newer nvidia driver gets into the debian repositories |
| 18:15.54 | wols | ScottE: and you are wrong |
| 18:15.58 | cra1g321 | but i dont need a newer driver |
| 18:16.03 | wols | the newer driver already is in debian repos btw |
| 18:16.19 | cra1g321 | if the wheezy one works fine, then the backports one should too |
| 18:16.34 | cra1g321 | i'm gonna install it again, and come back with the error it gives me |
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| 18:16.45 | wols | cra1g321: not necessarily since the kernel interface changes once in a while which creates problems for the nvidia module. |
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| 18:16.55 | cra1g321 | im also gonna try the xserver-xorg-video-nvidia package |
| 18:17.12 | wols | but the version ScottE suggested is already in debian (sid) from where you can normally backport it for wheezy yourself |
| 18:17.18 | jhutchins | cra1g321: dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:17.28 | cra1g321 | ok |
| 18:17.32 | wols | cra1g321: and lsmod output |
| 18:18.00 | centrx | Radon_3, Yes, it is good. |
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| 18:18.37 | cra1g321 | ok tty soon guys, thanks for the replies |
| 18:19.03 | Radon_3 | May God be with you all... That's all I can say. |
| 18:19.20 | cra1g321 | ^ this guy lol |
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| 18:20.10 | Radon_3 | cra1g321: ok :) What I am not allowed to be emotional for a little while ? |
| 18:20.50 | jhutchins | Radon_3: We're glad you're happy with it, but this channel is really for support questions. |
| 18:21.02 | Radon_3 | oh ok... |
| 18:21.37 | ScottE | wols: installing packages from sid into wheezy isn't any less of a hack than the official driver from ndivia, as far as I'm concerned. I know you disagree, and that's fine, but if it's not in wheezy-backports or wheezy mainline, then it's not in the wheezy repositories, period. |
| 18:22.11 | wols | ScottE: one breaks your debian, the other does not. and note, I didn't say install a package from sid but backport it. small but very important distinction |
| 18:22.19 | wols | !ssb |
| 18:22.20 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 18:23.24 | ScottE | wols: either has a reasonably equal chance of breaking your system and most people aren't a position to create their own backports |
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| 18:24.09 | wols | wrong. a sid backport, especially of nvidia doesn't break anything. a tarball from nvidia.com is certain to break it. we aren't doing this the first time ScottE... |
| 18:24.16 | jhutchins | ScottE: Nonetheless, it is the officially supported method for Debian. |
| 18:24.52 | ScottE | jhutchins: yes, that is a fair point |
| 18:25.23 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.25 | jhutchins | ScottE: Backporting allows you to use the Debian tools to manage the packages, and allows automatic upgrades. |
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| 18:25.46 | ScottE | wols: the version from nvidia is not "certain to break it" - this is an untrue statement |
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| 18:26.23 | jhutchins | ScottE: No, it breaks package management. Every time. |
| 18:26.31 | wols | without exception |
| 18:26.52 | ScottE | jhutchins: breaks package management - obviously, but results in a working nvidia driver |
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| 18:28.42 | wols | ScottE: we're be grateful if you wouldn't suggest people who come here for support a method that is not debian compliant and which will make them have problems with their debian installation in the future |
| 18:29.26 | boudiccas | i have this in my fstab 'jmtpfs/media/galaxyfuse users,noauto,allow_other 0 0' which mounts it as "jmtpfs on /media/galaxy type fuse.jmtpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,user_id=1000,group_id=1000,allow_other)" it shows "noexec" but how do i get it executable please? |
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| 18:29.34 | jhutchins | ScottE: More generally, if a tarball isn't set up for current Debian file conventions and libraries that can be corrected when it's packaged for sid. Tarballs vary a great deal. Some test adquately for Debian and put things in the right places, and even offer make uninstall. Otheres are sloppy and optimized for other distributions, they fling files everywhere and offer no method of cleaning up after them other than reading the mak |
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| 18:31.30 | wols | boudiccas: by using the option "exec" |
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| 18:32.41 | boudiccas | wols; ok, thanks. is it possible to action fstab without rebooting? |
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| 18:35.44 | wols | boudiccas: yes |
| 18:35.50 | boudiccas | how? |
| 18:37.15 | wols | unmount and mount it again |
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| 18:37.25 | xqo | hey |
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| 18:37.46 | xqo | i wanna add the deadsnakes repo to my sources.list so i can install python 2.7 |
| 18:38.08 | xqo | it says """add ppa:fkrull/deadsnakes to your system's Software Sources""" |
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| 18:38.17 | xqo | but that syntax is so different from what is already in sources.list |
| 18:38.21 | xqo | how do i do it? |
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| 18:38.41 | tethra | there's already a package for python2.7 isn't there? |
| 18:38.55 | gabriela | HOLA |
| 18:38.55 | xqo | i tried apt-get install python2.7, it did not find it |
| 18:40.02 | wols | ,v python2.7 |
| 18:40.03 | judd | Package: python2.7 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-6+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.7.3-6+deb7u2; jessie: 2.7.7~rc1-1; sid: 2.7.7-1 |
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| 18:40.50 | boudiccas | wols; thanks, sorted |
| 18:41.19 | wols | xqo: you do run debian wheezy? |
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| 18:41.25 | xqo | wols E: Unable to locate package python2.7 |
| 18:41.34 | wols | xqo: apt-cache policy |
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| 18:41.50 | xqo | i dont know what wheezy is! |
| 18:42.23 | xqo | i use debian 6.0.8 |
| 18:42.58 | wols | xqo: and that's the problem. debian squeeze is debian 6, which has not python 2.7. Is there a reason why you can't upgrade from old squeeze to current debian stable? |
| 18:44.22 | xqo | umm... dont know! |
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| 18:44.30 | xqo | i cant get python2.7 on 6.0.8? |
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| 18:45.48 | xqo | wols it is possible, but it seems like a lot of work.. |
| 18:46.20 | xqo | (to upgrade from 6.0.8, i mean) |
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| 18:47.00 | centrx | xqo, Upgrading Debian is easy |
| 18:47.20 | centrx | xqo, You might hit some snags, but those can be fixed. The core process is mostly hands-off/press enter |
| 18:47.55 | centrx | xqo, Of course I am assuming this is a desktop machine, not a complicated production machine |
| 18:48.16 | xqo | is there a fast command i can enter or something? hehe.. |
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| 18:48.49 | centrx | dpkg, tell xqo about squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:49.19 | xqo | so i just change my repos, and upgrade? |
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| 18:49.51 | centrx | xqo, Yes, dist-upgrade |
| 18:49.59 | xqo | okey! that sounds easy, thank you |
| 18:50.10 | centrx | xqo, and make sure you don't have any third-party repos or similar to avoid complications |
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| 18:50.39 | centrx | xqo, I would even remove backports just to simplify it and maybe speed it up a little |
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| 18:51.27 | wols | !tell xqo about squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:51.33 | gabriela | YO NO ABLO INGLIS |
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| 18:52.21 | wols | !es |
| 18:52.23 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 18:58.19 | Tau | ia386 is i686? |
| 18:58.36 | gabriela | QUE |
| 18:58.36 | Tau | ops |
| 18:58.38 | Tau | ia64 |
| 18:58.39 | Tau | rs |
| 18:58.41 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.49 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.50 | Tau | ? |
| 18:58.57 | gabriela | QUE DISES |
| 18:59.10 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:59.12 | Tau | i dunno. |
| 18:59.13 | Tau | kk |
| 18:59.18 | dondelelcaro | !es |
| 18:59.18 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 18:59.23 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.31 | dondelelcaro | Tau: what processor do you have? |
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| 18:59.39 | Tau | u |
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| 19:00.27 | Tau | http://ark.intel.com/pt-br/products/59570/Intel-Celeron-Processor-B800-(2M-Cache-1_50-GHz) |
| 19:00.29 | Tau | thats. |
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| 19:01.10 | dondelelcaro | Tau: that's amd64. |
| 19:01.30 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.13 | dondelelcaro | Tau: probably not; and you definitely want amd64 if you have 4G or more of ram |
| 19:02.14 | Artemis3 | gabriela, /join #debian-es |
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| 19:05.05 | xqo | hey i got errors while upgrading to wheezy |
| 19:05.12 | xqo | Errors were encountered while processing: openssh-server E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 19:13.08 | ziftex | Hi |
| 19:13.53 | ziftex | With help from PlayOnLinux I did install Diablo 3. And now pipelight plugins are broke and I can't watch netflix anymore. |
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| 19:14.55 | nkuttler | ziftex: i don't think any of that is in debian, or supported here |
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| 19:15.14 | slackner | ziftex: for pipelight related questions you probably should switch to #pipelight |
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| 19:15.27 | centrx | Oddly enough there is a contrib package for playonlinux |
| 19:15.50 | centrx | I have a funny feeling that's not what you installed though |
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| 19:16.09 | ziftex | Yeah playonlinux was in apt. but not pipelight. that was a pain with installing libc from testing jessie. |
| 19:17.24 | centrx | ziftex, It sounds like these are all WINE-related |
| 19:17.51 | centrx | ziftex, There might be more knowledgeable people in #winehq |
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| 19:18.35 | centrx | ziftex, And make sure to give more information, there must be error messages or something. "It broke" and "I can't watch it" are not explanatory and will not yield helpful results. |
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| 19:19.35 | ziftex | well the error msg is simply "please install silverligth" from both chromium and iceweasel |
| 19:20.12 | centrx | ziftex, Does this mean netflix is not directly related. Netflix just uses the pipelight plugins? |
| 19:20.53 | ziftex | yes. netflix runs with silverligth plugin from pipeligth and user agent switcher |
| 19:21.15 | cra1g321 | hey again guys, just did a fresh wheezy + KDE install, installed the backports kernel and rebooted, logged into the machine now |
| 19:21.29 | cra1g321 | now to try and install the nvidia driver |
| 19:21.33 | ziftex | when I go too iceweasle plugins it will install them again. but netflix will still complain |
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| 19:21.45 | centrx | ziftex, Okay, so installing/updating playonlinux probably changed something with your wine installation. |
| 19:22.00 | centrx | ziftex, Pipelight apparently depends on WINE |
| 19:22.10 | ziftex | centrx, It did. it downloaded another version of WINE as I recall. |
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| 19:23.42 | cra1g321 | centrx you said about xserver-xorg-video-nvidia and nvidia-driver, nvidia-driver is a meta-package which depends on xserver-xorg-video-nvidia & nvidia-kernel-dkms, i thik i might try and install it this time |
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| 19:27.24 | slackner | centrx: ziftex: pipelight ships its own patched version of wine, so its shouldn't conflict with regular wine installations or playonlinux |
| 19:27.30 | superboot | Hi all. I don't mean to troll, and I don't want to start a flame war. (I should probably shut up now...). I love debian, and use it every day. However, from an artistic standpoint, I don't care for the logo. Does anyone else feel like it could use some updating/renovating? |
| 19:28.02 | centrx | Never! Heretic! |
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| 19:28.10 | tethra | grabs his pitchfork |
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| 19:28.11 | superboot | centrx: :) |
| 19:28.39 | stockholm | superboot: there has been work on that |
| 19:28.46 | stockholm | superboot: it didnt take of |
| 19:28.59 | tethra | superboot: it has been incorporated into lots of nice artwork, and it's definitely recognisable |
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| 19:32.26 | jhutchins | superboot: Make your own. |
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| 19:35.46 | xqo | hi hi |
| 19:36.00 | xqo | what are things to do when on a fresh wheezy server install?? |
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| 19:36.22 | xqo | my friend told me to install some anti-bot stuff and such... do you have like a quicklist |
| 19:36.28 | nkuttler | xqo: that's really up to you. i always install some security-related stuff |
| 19:36.46 | xqo | nkuttler yeah, stuff like that!! what can i install? *^^* |
| 19:37.21 | nkuttler | xqo: fail2ban for example. and also configure sshd properly |
| 19:37.46 | nkuttler | configure firewall, logchecks, yadda |
| 19:38.07 | xqo | is yadda for you!! is not for me!! |
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| 19:38.21 | xqo | plz u can type list? |
| 19:38.37 | xqo | fail2ban, configure sshd, configure firewall, what is this logchecks? |
| 19:38.59 | ziftex | UFW is pretty nice for making iptables very simple. |
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| 19:40.54 | nkuttler | xqo: it really depends on what kind of services you run.. |
| 19:40.59 | ziftex | xqo, UFW, logwatch and apticron is some of the stuff I use. |
| 19:41.01 | nkuttler | !tell xqo about hardening |
| 19:41.33 | cra1g321 | nvidia-driver metapackage didnt work either :/ |
| 19:41.34 | xqo | btw! apt-get works in fedora? |
| 19:41.53 | nkuttler | xqo: ask fedora support |
| 19:41.58 | xqo | okey, sorry sorry |
| 19:42.15 | nkuttler | cra1g321: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 19:42.47 | ziftex | xqo, yum. not apt. |
| 19:43.07 | xqo | ok so i will not fedora... because apt-get so handy! |
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| 19:44.53 | cra1g321 | dmesg - http://paste.debian.net/103063/ and Xorg.0.log - http://paste.debian.net/103064/ |
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| 19:47.27 | cra1g321 | when i do startx, i see ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia_current': Unkown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 19:48.11 | cra1g321 | looking at dmesg i'm guessing it's reffering to line 764- nvidia: Unknown symbol acpi_os_wait_events_complete (err 0) |
| 19:48.55 | ziftex | cra1g321, http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=4139.0 ? |
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| 19:50.46 | cra1g321 | the link to the patch is dead |
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| 19:51.48 | ziftex | But the solution migth give you a few hints. |
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| 19:55.59 | cra1g321 | i think i'll just go back to wheezy's kernel, and just install the realtek driver like i usually do |
| 19:56.09 | cra1g321 | no point messing around with patches and stuff |
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| 19:56.51 | cra1g321 | the newer kernel meant i didnt need to compile the module for realtek chip, oh well |
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| 19:59.28 | cra1g321 | should i report it to the backports site ? |
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| 20:16.51 | jhutchins | !getting started |
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| 20:18.10 | jhutchins | cra1g321: You could just try recompiling the nvidia drver. |
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| 20:19.53 | aoeuoaeu | hi guys, I want to turn my linux pc into a phone. (for fun btw, but it would be a interesting experience), is that a easy task? I hope to be able to send sms, recive sms and call and recive calls |
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| 20:22.13 | Cpuroast | aoeuoaeu: you'd need a SIM reader |
| 20:22.22 | Cpuroast | and an authorized SIM card |
| 20:22.34 | Cpuroast | oh |
| 20:22.46 | Cpuroast | and a set of cell antennas |
| 20:22.54 | Cpuroast | with the radio chip needed |
| 20:23.11 | aoeuoaeu | Cpuroast: ok, my laptop got a sim card reader, would that do? :) |
| 20:23.25 | Cpuroast | unlikely |
| 20:24.36 | aoeuoaeu | ok , why not you think? are sim card readers made for laptops etc different from normal phones'? |
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| 20:25.18 | Cpuroast | if the USB dongle you have is to 3G network to your computer |
| 20:25.24 | aoeuoaeu | I found some cool software I want to try out though, phonefsod |
| 20:25.26 | Cpuroast | it may or may not work |
| 20:26.08 | aoeuoaeu | Cpuroast: thanks :) need to investigate a little then, would be pretty cool i think |
| 20:26.11 | centrx | aoeuoaeu, If you use VoIP you can do it without a card |
| 20:26.25 | centrx | aoeuoaeu, but not SMS, you would need something else for that |
| 20:26.35 | centrx | twinkle is one program |
| 20:26.51 | aoeuoaeu | centrx: :) yea, I have been thinking of setting up asterix at home, that would be cool |
| 20:28.04 | aoeuoaeu | installing twinkle :) |
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| 20:29.57 | aoeuoaeu | thanks for interesting ideas and help centrx and Cpuroast |
| 20:30.03 | jhutchins | aoeuoaeu: You can of course use somethng like skype to do voip telephony with a PC. |
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| 20:31.33 | jhutchins | Hmm. On the other hand: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.texty.sms |
| 20:31.46 | pupil | hello guys, how do i know the path to a command? |
| 20:31.51 | jhutchins | Another Google App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smscontrolcenter |
| 20:31.54 | centrx | pupil, which <command> |
| 20:32.23 | centrx | pupil, or whereis <command> |
| 20:32.42 | pupil | thanks centrx :) |
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| 21:01.56 | nollidj | is there a known problem with ftp.us.debian.org? after a fresh apt-get update, there are a lot of 404s trying to get packages for an apt-get upgrade |
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| 21:02.17 | buu | ftp.us.debian is a round-robin redirect |
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| 21:03.17 | jhutchins | nollidj: Are there errors on the update? |
| 21:04.01 | nollidj | jhutchins: no |
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| 21:08.56 | Radon_3 | folks I am in here and I don't know which one to download... http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ which one is what? |
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| 21:09.23 | jhutchins | Radon_3: netinstall or the first one. |
| 21:10.00 | Radon_3 | jhutchins: what do you mean "netinstall or the first one" you mean the first one is the netinstall? |
| 21:10.17 | jhutchins | Radon_3: DVD 1 should be all you need. |
| 21:10.28 | jhutchins | Radon_3: The netinstall isn't on that page. |
| 21:11.18 | Radon_3 | jhutchins: what are the other two? |
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| 21:13.38 | Radon_3 | jhutchins: please ... |
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| 21:16.12 | Radon_3 | jhutchins: If I download the second one, will I get all the packages? |
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| 21:19.29 | centrx | Radon_3, You only need one DVD |
| 21:19.43 | centrx | Radon_3, You can install any Debian packages via the Internet after a base system is installed (this is what netinstall does) |
| 21:19.54 | Radon_3 | centrx: yes I know, but I don't know whichone to choose. |
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| 21:20.08 | centrx | Radon_3, If you do not have reliable network access, or you want to have a complete set, you can download any or all of the DVD images |
| 21:20.25 | centrx | Radon_3, From the link, you would want: debian-7.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
| 21:20.38 | centrx | Radon_3, And then you use a torrent client... |
| 21:20.59 | Radon_3 | centrx: So you say it would be absolutely ok if I chose http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/bt-dvd/debian-7.5.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso.torrent ? |
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| 21:21.31 | centrx | Radon_3, You always need the first one |
| 21:21.48 | Radon_3 | centrx: why? |
| 21:22.00 | centrx | Radon_3, That has the base system and the installer files |
| 21:22.34 | Radon_3 | centrx: and the others don't ... :( that's to bad ... |
| 21:22.45 | centrx | Radon_3, The DVDs are also arranged in order of the popularity of the packages |
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| 21:23.03 | centrx | Radon_3, It would be unlikely that you would want a package on DVD-3 but not any packages on DVD-2 |
| 21:23.29 | centrx | Radon_3, In fact, it may be impossible because of dependencies, depending on which package(s) you want from the DVD |
| 21:23.39 | Radon_3 | My man, no one seems to be seeding these torrent files ;( |
| 21:23.55 | centrx | Radon_3, It usually takes a few minutes for torrents to get up to speed |
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| 21:24.15 | centrx | Radon_3, You can also download the ISO not through a torrent |
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| 21:25.12 | Radon_3 | centrx: I know this sounds inapporopritae but I LOVE you man... it is running and I am downloading DVD 1 I LOVE YOU thanks ..... life is good... |
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| 21:25.54 | adnap | Has anyone installed Debian on a Nexus 7? |
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| 21:26.46 | Radon_3 | I herby want to thank my DSL provider, that also supports (tries to support) freesoftwares... And I want Debian so badly I want to marry it.... I am getting Debian you folks.... |
| 21:27.20 | centrx | Thank you |
| 21:27.38 | Radon_3 | centrx: No, fuck meeee, thank YOU.... |
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| 21:27.54 | Radon_3 | I am oon fire.... |
| 21:28.31 | centrx | Luckily radon is not flammable |
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| 21:36.50 | mingtsay | Hi, I am setting up my debian with exim4 to forward mails,log said: 2014-06-03 05:24:58 H=mail-vc0-x231.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::231] F=<mingtsay.tw@gmail.com> rejected RCPT <admin@csie.mcu.edu.tw>: Unrouteable address |
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| 21:39.20 | jhutchins | mingtsay: The system doesn't know where to send that message. |
| 21:39.52 | jhutchins | mingtsay: Is the system csie.mcu.edu.tw? |
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| 21:40.27 | mingtsay | jhutchins: yes, the MX of csie.mcu.edu.tw is this server |
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| 21:44.22 | mingtsay | jhutchins: my configure file has following few lines that manual added: |
| 21:44.35 | mingtsay | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/LraasCIY |
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| 21:45.23 | mingtsay | also /etc/exim4/aliases: |
| 21:45.33 | toli | guys do you have any idea why I cannot run packettracer on wheezy 64bit? |
| 21:45.39 | toli | I et error /usr/local/PacketTracer6/bin/PacketTracer6: error while loading shared libraries: libQt3Support.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:45.39 | mingtsay | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/z9hxHvlH |
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| 21:47.32 | toli | I have installed the missing library ! but still |
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| 21:49.24 | Radon_3 | guys, I am sorry for asking so many questions so fast but what is debian-update-7.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent ? |
| 21:49.36 | Radon_3 | in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
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| 21:50.06 | Extensa5630G | d'oh...yet another no-xorg error thingy, now only the tty1 works when boot to debian, and since that i have Win7 as a fallback OS, here is the Xorg.0.log file that i got from linux debian's ext2 partition in win7: http://paste.debian.net/103085/ |
| 21:50.45 | dondelelcaro | Radon_3: it's a torrent file for the update DVD which contains the files to update to the current point release. |
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| 21:50.54 | stealthii | Hi there. I want to permanently set my console font to 'ter-powerline-v16n', but `dpkg-reconfigure console-setup` doesn't provide very many font options. How can I set this permanently systemwide? |
| 21:51.18 | Radon_3 | dondelelcaro: does it have an installer too? |
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| 21:51.22 | teraflop | use kmscon |
| 21:51.32 | Extensa5630G | when i write 'startx', the scree turns to white for second then becomes black again, and after that tty1 shows up again |
| 21:52.15 | nollidj | Extensa5630G: have you looked at the logs in /var/log/Xorg.*.log ? |
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| 21:52.27 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, yep |
| 21:52.42 | nollidj | lines with (EE) report errors |
| 21:53.04 | Radon_3 | Also I am sorry for using the F word earlier, I am so exsited about this, I mean I remember the first time I got my first porn off the Internet and now I know that I am even more exsited than then... |
| 21:53.15 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, when i enter 'Xorg' in the tty's CLI, i get something like, 'connot copy/move Xorg.0.log to Xorg.0.old.log |
| 21:53.48 | nollidj | Extensa5630G: i'm confused. do you mean, when you literally enter the command 'Xorg'? |
| 21:53.51 | Radon_3 | Ok, thanks folks.... |
| 21:53.57 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, yes |
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| 21:55.03 | nollidj | that's probably not the right thing to run. if you're trying to start X11 from the console manually, a package like xinit (which is probably installed if you have the startx command) is the right way to do it |
| 21:55.16 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, sorry, if you think that seems to be nosense, then sorry my mind is blurry, it is 'xinit' otherwise |
| 21:55.45 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, anyway i entered Xorg, then xinit, then startx |
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| 21:55.47 | nollidj | the display behavior you described is consistent with what i've run into when there are video drivers |
| 21:55.49 | Extensa5630G | all were useless |
| 21:55.53 | nollidj | *problems with video drivers |
| 21:56.00 | nollidj | was X11 ever working in the past? |
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| 21:56.26 | nollidj | also, do try to grep for '(EE)' in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:56.53 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, the last thing i did before that no-xorg behavior is that i removed a pachage related to the non-free flash plugin |
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| 21:57.15 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, yes it was fine till that thingy that i did |
| 21:57.25 | Extensa5630G | *has been* |
| 21:57.34 | nollidj | do the logs say anything? |
| 21:57.52 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, did you see my log's pastebin link? |
| 21:58.00 | nollidj | oh, sorry. i missed it. one second |
| 21:58.01 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, and sorry, i'll read it now |
| 21:58.23 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, http://paste.debian.net/103085/ if you didn't find them |
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| 21:59.01 | nollidj | well, good news: the log doesn't say there's a problem with your x11 configuration |
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| 21:59.12 | nollidj | what were you using as your window manager (or desktop environment)? |
| 21:59.26 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, debian wheezy kde |
| 21:59.27 | nollidj | is there a file ~/.xinit, ~/.Xsession, or ~/.xsession |
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| 22:00.02 | nollidj | something might have gone silly such that kde isn't starting properly once x11 is up |
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| 22:01.03 | nollidj | next try launching x11 via startx and telling it just to launch a simple client like a terminal emulator |
| 22:01.26 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, yes, the only thing that i have been sure it caused a black screen(or a permanent tty screen), in all of these behaviors that happened from starting using debian is that fglrx proprietary thingy |
| 22:01.29 | nollidj | if /usr/bin/xterm exists, try 'startx /usr/bin/xterm' |
| 22:01.40 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, but this time things got strange |
| 22:01.50 | foofoo | whats the trash called in terminal |
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| 22:01.59 | foofoo | .trash? |
| 22:02.15 | Extensa5630G | takes notes from nollidj 's statements |
| 22:02.17 | nollidj | foofoo: depends on your DE. it's probably a folder along those lines. someone who knows xfce/gnome/kde/whatever you're using or google should know |
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| 22:02.41 | foofoo | xfce I think |
| 22:03.04 | nollidj | Extensa5630G: the startx manpage should give you more details, but basically it's a wrapper script for starting x11. and if there's something wrong with your configuration, you can give it the client to run. and it can just run xterm or some other simple program (like firefox) |
| 22:03.21 | nollidj | without having a window manager or heavyweight DE underneath |
| 22:03.58 | nollidj | foofoo: ~/.local/share/Trash/files, according to http://wiki.xfce.org/faq |
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| 22:04.14 | nollidj | that page has links on the freedesktop.org spec involved |
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| 22:05.03 | nollidj | Extensa5630G: trying to launch an xterm or something else simple should help establish if there's actually an issue with your x11 server, or with the steps that are executed once the server is up |
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| 22:05.52 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, i could run that white-background xterm yeah |
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| 22:07.42 | nollidj | Extensa5630G: otherwise, i'd look at your xorg.cfg (if you have one) and try swapping out the closed-source ati driver (if you're using it; i can't tell at a glance) |
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| 22:08.46 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, i'm surely using the open-source driver, i got enough of that fglrx thingy before |
| 22:09.25 | nollidj | ha, ok. might still be worth trying to use the vesa driver to see if that fixes the issue. basic strategy is to swap components in and out one by one until stuff works... but first i'd try launching a client manually with startx |
| 22:09.31 | nollidj | do you normally have a graphical login via some display manager? |
| 22:09.33 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, may i ask you about the xorg.cfg's path?i'm in win7 currenly in debian's partition |
| 22:09.43 | nkuttler | i haven't bothered with fglrx in years. just use the xorg driver, even if slower.. |
| 22:09.50 | bxxc424 | if i have a VM running inside of my debian system, do i need that Vm to have its own firewall or will it obey the host system's firewall rules by default? |
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| 22:10.03 | nkuttler | bxxc424: depends on your network setup.. |
| 22:10.20 | nollidj | Extensa5630G: probably in /etc/X11. these days it's common not to have one. (i don't) |
| 22:10.37 | nollidj | back in the day, writing your own xf86.cfg was a bit of an ordeal |
| 22:10.58 | bxxc424 | nkuttler: i think the VM is set to NAT configuration |
| 22:11.00 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, yes, me too :p |
| 22:11.34 | Extensa5630G | nollidj, well i'll write down your previously stated suggestion and try themm once i restart this win7 first |
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| 22:11.41 | Extensa5630G | *suggestions* |
| 22:11.47 | nollidj | good luck |
| 22:11.50 | teraflop | Extensa5630G: you tried the fglrx before and reverted to the open source one? |
| 22:12.02 | nkuttler | bxxc424: doesn't sound bridged, which is really all i use.. |
| 22:12.17 | Extensa5630G | terabit, fglrx an dthe open source drivers have nothing to do with this issue i'm encountering |
| 22:12.17 | teraflop | Extensa5630G: or it is a fresh install? |
| 22:12.27 | nkuttler | bxxc424: but nat sounds like behind your physical box, wrt netorking. maybe tun/tap i guess.. |
| 22:12.33 | teraflop | terabit: :P |
| 22:12.45 | Extensa5630G | terabit, between us, yes it's a fresh install i installed 2 or 3 days ago, stuff like that |
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| 22:13.10 | teraflop | ah its ok then wols |
| 22:13.13 | teraflop | uhm |
| 22:13.29 | teraflop | i mean Extensa5630G sorry wols |
| 22:13.46 | Extensa5630G | teraflop, d'oh |
| 22:13.48 | Extensa5630G | :p |
| 22:14.09 | Extensa5630G | wols, greetings |
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| 22:14.19 | bxxc424 | nkuttler: i'm trying to get it to where i don't have to worry about a firewall inside of the VM. for that does NAT or bridged make any difference? or is it other network settings |
| 22:14.32 | user29384 | greetings! i'm having some trouble installing nvidia drivers in debian testing. the complaint is that it can't find the kernel source. i've googled for awhile now....aside from the metapackage, there seems to be no drivers for my uname -r |
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| 22:15.05 | user29384 | err drivers.... lol... headers |
| 22:15.09 | nkuttler | bxxc424: yes, it should make a difference, but i'm not the right person to ask about such things :) |
| 22:16.08 | user29384 | ah, debian-next i suppose |
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| 22:17.08 | user29384 | oh, nope. |
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| 22:18.30 | terabit | Extensa5630G: yes! |
| 22:18.36 | nollidj | user29384: what is your uname -r? |
| 22:19.37 | user29384 | hey nollidj, 3.13-1-amd64 |
| 22:20.00 | user29384 | only seeing 3.14 with apt-cache search |
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| 22:20.03 | Extensa5630G | terabit, yoooo |
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| 22:20.08 | Extensa5630G | misses terabit and his channel |
| 22:20.32 | terabit | :) |
| 22:20.35 | peterS | user29384: yeah if you're going to follow debian unstable then you have to accept that kernels come and go.... |
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| 22:22.57 | nollidj | user29384: yeah, i don't see headers for 3.13-1 in my unstable system's list of packages or in the search on packages.debian.org |
| 22:23.15 | pierosg | Hi. Does anyone know if its possible to install PPA style Firefox on Debian instead of Iceweasle? I can't seem to sync my Firefox account with Iceweasle, and that frustrates me a lot :P |
| 22:23.37 | user29384 | ah, alright, peterS. nollidj, so since this is the first thing i've tried to install, maybe i'll grab the weekly snapshot instead |
| 22:23.53 | nollidj | user29384: 3.14-1 is out, so you could just upgrade to that and have your headers |
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| 22:24.16 | user29384 | ya, i'll look into that now |
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| 22:25.01 | peterS | user29384: anyway... as nollidj says, you could just install the 3.14 kernel, or the 3.15-rc7 from experimental (last I checked), or.... but until jessie is close to a stable release, you can't rely on the same kernel images living there as when you last installed one. The kernel team tries hard to not have to support more than one kernel version in a given release, so if they upload 3.14, then 3.13 will disappear |
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| 22:26.43 | user29384 | righto. thanks for the explanation and suggestions nollidj and peters |
| 22:26.53 | user29384 | :D |
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| 22:39.59 | Alpha-17 | hello everyone, silly question : my init script doesn't exit. What could go wrong ? |
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| 22:59.19 | TonyStylo | I would like to try the KDE environment, now I have doenloaded the debian wheezy xfce 64bit, would you advise me to install the kde-full or kde-standard? what is the difference in terms of programs and space? |
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| 23:00.51 | mtn | TonyStylo: the package manager should give you descriptions of the two and you can see which packages and how much space will be required, too. |
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| 23:01.18 | jhutchins | TonyStylo: How big is your drive? |
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| 23:02.27 | TonyStylo | for debian i have 50 giga logical partition |
| 23:03.30 | TonyStylo | no, sorry.. I have 20 giga |
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| 23:04.05 | TonyStylo | 14.80 unused |
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| 23:06.21 | jhutchins | That should give you a clue. You can install multiple DEs in <10G. |
| 23:07.17 | TonyStylo | mtn, kde-full package installed size 35 kb? Not possible |
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| 23:08.07 | jhutchins | TonyStylo: Install it. See for yourself. |
| 23:08.10 | mtn | TonyStylo: doesn't seem like it to me either. if you tell it to install and it will tell you what is going to be actually installed. |
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| 23:10.55 | TonyStylo | ok thanks |
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| 23:20.13 | TonyStylo | I can see that both full and standard-kde are in the synaptic package manager so I could install from there easily. If I will be tired of it how to do to uninstall everything included all the dependencies for the kde-full? I realize that synaptic doesn't erase all the programs if i mark to unistall right? should i proceed with the terminal? how |
| 23:21.02 | mtn | TonyStylo: synaptic works just fine, that is what I would use |
| 23:22.36 | TonyStylo | mtn, sometimes i saw that uninstalling a program it leave lots of packages bound with it.. am i wrong? |
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| 23:23.11 | mtn | TonyStylo: as far as I know, yes you are wrong. |
| 23:23.33 | TonyStylo | ok thanks :) |
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| 23:30.10 | stealthii | Hi there. I want to permanently set my console font to 'ter-powerline-v16n', but `dpkg-reconfigure console-setup` doesn't provide very many font options. How can I set this permanently systemwide? |
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| 23:57.32 | aaadddss | Hello, have an error that keeps spamming my console mei_me timer connect/disconnect I used rmmod mei_me and it stopped but when I log back in it starts back up. The bios doesn't show an option to disable this. any ideas? |
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| 23:58.04 | aaadddss | running a fresh install of testing. Installed about an hour ago. |
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