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| 00:05.19 | HiDeHo | hi all just looking for the debian jessie main resources for source.list file |
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| 00:10.41 | deepblue | !sources.list |
| 00:10.41 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 00:26.35 | xeno_ | Anybody know a phpmyadmin install sequence where I can avoid the configuration GUI? |
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| 00:27.12 | xeno_ | I found how I can install mysql-server without any gui using debconf-set-selections, but I would like the same thing for phpmyadmin. |
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| 00:53.32 | shay_shay | hey guys, I have a NAS I want to move from fbsd/zfs to some Linux based file system looking to do software raid 10. what is the best thing for me to look into? |
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| 00:59.56 | lys | take a look here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/File_systems |
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| 01:12.18 | SpeakerToMeat | Hello. Sorry, stupid question, having this repository: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/klaussfreire:/debian/Debian_7.0/ would the normal list form be: "deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/klaussfreire:/debian/Debian_7.0/" or "deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/klaussfreire:/debian Debian_7.0" ? |
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| 01:16.29 | SpeakerToMeat | Trouble is that repo has no "dists" int he structure |
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| 01:22.05 | phantomcircuit | I have a server which is configured with a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces on eth1 ( http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Kwy5EdT5 ) |
| 01:22.11 | phantomcircuit | that's 10.2.0.200/20 |
| 01:22.36 | phantomcircuit | i'll reboot the system, it comes up with 10.2.0.200/20 assigned on eth1 |
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| 01:22.47 | phantomcircuit | then 12 hours later it's set to 10.2.0.255/20 |
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| 01:27.29 | srged_ | where are the sources.list located? |
| 01:27.37 | phantomcircuit | srged_, /etc/apt |
| 01:27.40 | srged_ | thx |
| 01:27.59 | ruukasu | if I have busybox installed, could anything go wrong by uninstalling the coreutils? |
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| 01:30.46 | nezZario | Hum |
| 01:31.22 | srged_ | guys. here is how my sources.list looks like http://paste.debian.net/103669 |
| 01:31.29 | srged_ | is everything looking okay there? |
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| 01:32.50 | cra1g321 | if anyone asks about skype on debian wheezy 64bit, i've just made a tutorial on how to install it |
| 01:32.52 | cra1g321 | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=114984 |
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| 01:33.48 | nezZario | Anyone ever put ZFS on a USB stick? |
| 01:33.49 | cra1g321 | included some pretty pics too ;) |
| 01:33.54 | nezZario | ZFS vols |
| 01:34.05 | nezZario | Or would LVM's snapshotting be sufficient to do incremental backups? |
| 01:34.08 | srged_ | cra1g321: how did the debian install go ? |
| 01:34.21 | cra1g321 | oh hey serged_ |
| 01:34.22 | nezZario | I used ZFS before (no dedup, only light lzf compression) on a backup server and it worked pretty nice |
| 01:34.44 | cra1g321 | i did what you did, and created the directory and conf file as sudo user using gedit too, and it worked |
| 01:34.51 | cra1g321 | so my little guess was wrong |
| 01:35.01 | cra1g321 | pity, cos that would of been a quick fix for you |
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| 01:35.19 | srged_ | i see. |
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| 01:37.06 | srged_ | cra1g321: |
| 01:37.13 | srged_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.20 | srged_ | looks ok to you? |
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| 01:38.05 | cra1g321 | line 1 and 4 are duplicates |
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| 01:38.53 | srged_ | ok, fixed. |
| 01:39.17 | srged_ | I'm a try all over gain, but everything as root |
| 01:39.26 | cra1g321 | wait |
| 01:39.32 | srged_ | ? |
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| 01:39.56 | cra1g321 | you are also missing the line |
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| 01:40.16 | cra1g321 | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:40.29 | cra1g321 | put it under line 2 to keep things organised |
| 01:40.42 | dvs | no big deal |
| 01:40.58 | srged_ | so i put it like #3 |
| 01:41.03 | srged_ | so i put it line #3 |
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| 01:42.23 | cra1g321 | serged_ have thme like this - http://paste.debian.net/103670/ |
| 01:42.31 | cra1g321 | them * |
| 01:42.53 | cra1g321 | remember to do a sudo apt-get update after you edit them |
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| 01:43.20 | srged_ | under nano, how do I mark all, or mark a full like, for deletion? |
| 01:43.37 | cra1g321 | to delete a line do Ctrl and K |
| 01:43.39 | cra1g321 | i think.. |
| 01:44.03 | srged_ | yup. works :P |
| 01:44.04 | cra1g321 | i dont know about selecting text |
| 01:44.23 | srged_ | no need. ctrl k deletes the line withut selection |
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| 01:46.54 | nezZario | Hum |
| 01:46.59 | nezZario | So no ZFS fans EH |
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| 01:54.55 | srged_ | cra1g321: time to do the reboot thing. so if I'll be back late you'll know why :) |
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| 01:56.36 | srged | back |
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| 01:58.05 | srged | how do I verify that my nvvidia driver is installed correctly? |
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| 02:01.43 | c4pr1 | srged, go ma-config.com |
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| 02:02.20 | c4pr1 | http://www.ma-config.com/en |
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| 02:03.03 | srged | ok |
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| 02:03.55 | ctmjr | srged: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i driver |
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| 02:05.45 | srged | ctmjr: http://paste.debian.net/103672 |
| 02:07.45 | srged | ctmjr: is everything alright there? |
| 02:07.48 | ctmjr | yes it is loaded |
| 02:07.55 | srged | pfffff |
| 02:08.08 | srged | finally. its been two days of frustration |
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| 02:11.56 | srged | how to set the contrast of my monitor? |
| 02:13.44 | LtL | srged: try the buttons on your monitor |
| 02:14.48 | srged | its a laptop. |
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| 02:15.18 | LtL | srged: FN keys mabybe |
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| 02:17.45 | ctmjr | install nvidia-settings click on the monitor you want to adjust. you might have to run it as root to get the adjustments to stick on reboot. |
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| 02:19.13 | srged | I still have no sound |
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| 02:20.07 | SuperHorst | I have a big problem: i added debian experimental to the sources.list and did "apt-get -t experimental install libc6-amd64 libc6-dev libc6-dbg" because i needed a never version of glibc for a dedicated gameserver, but i got a bunch of errors, now i cant acces apt-get or dpkg etc anymore. Seems all broken, Anyone willing to help me to fix it ? :) |
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| 02:22.25 | dvs | !pal SuperHorst |
| 02:22.26 | dpkg | points at SuperHorst and laughs |
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| 02:29.44 | SuperHorst | dvs: any way to fix this ? or is a new install the best solution ? |
| 02:30.47 | dvs | SuperHorst: a new install is the best solution |
| 02:31.29 | srged | I cant watch youtube videos. the browser just freezes. guess its a problem with the flash plugin altough is recently installed |
| 02:31.33 | srged | any ideas? |
| 02:32.15 | SuperHorst | dvs: ok then ill backup my websites and databases and install it all new :( thx for your help |
| 02:32.21 | jiohdi | srged which browser? |
| 02:32.34 | srged | iceweasel |
| 02:32.41 | srged | and konqueror |
| 02:32.55 | jiohdi | google chrome has its own flash |
| 02:33.17 | srged | chrome |
| 02:33.25 | srged | can I get it via apt get ? |
| 02:33.30 | jiohdi | not chromium |
| 02:33.46 | jiohdi | no, you have to down load it and install it directly |
| 02:33.47 | jiohdi | \ |
| 02:33.47 | srged | google' chrom |
| 02:34.07 | jiohdi | well maybe, what distro |
| 02:34.15 | jiohdi | which distro |
| 02:34.37 | srged | me? |
| 02:34.39 | jiohdi | which distro |
| 02:34.41 | srged | wheezy |
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| 02:34.52 | jiohdi | sorry my computer stuck |
| 02:35.21 | jiohdi | wheezy, you have to just dkpg -i it |
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| 02:36.24 | dvs | BenNZ: dems fightin words! |
| 02:36.51 | jiohdi | you can apt-get netflix-desktop and that works well with flash and silverlight |
| 02:36.53 | BenNZ | dvs: the quit message ? |
| 02:36.59 | dvs | BenNZ: yes |
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| 02:37.53 | BenNZ | dvs: lol , i standy by them , just when i think ive heard the stupidest thing i could ever be said , something else comes to take its place |
| 02:38.04 | BenNZ | *that could ever be said |
| 02:38.08 | dvs | ;-) |
| 02:38.43 | srged | is soundless and sad |
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| 02:41.14 | srged | jiohdi: works really nice , chrome. thanks! |
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| 02:55.42 | srged | im running the 32 bit debian , and it sees all my 4GB RAM. is that normal? |
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| 02:58.40 | Cpuroast | 32bit debian with PAE will see all 4GB |
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| 02:58.53 | Cpuroast | and beyond |
| 02:59.04 | Cpuroast | if the cpu handles 64bit, you should really run that |
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| 03:07.29 | srged | Cpuroast: I have Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0 GHz |
| 03:07.40 | srged | does it handle 64bit ? |
| 03:07.57 | dvs | yes |
| 03:08.20 | srged | good 2 know |
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| 03:11.14 | srged | the default letter font in debian is kinda lame. how can I change it? |
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| 03:13.31 | srged | debian is only using 500mb ram. really low compared with win7 who was using like 1.5gb |
| 03:14.15 | dvs | srged: so take the extra RAM out. :-P |
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| 03:21.01 | srged | :P |
| 03:21.38 | srged | I mean really, I kinda regret upgrading from 2gb to 4. |
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| 03:22.51 | srged | and in order to upgrade I had to remove the old ram completly |
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| 03:23.31 | unclezipper | srged: You could take advantage of the extra RAM by multitasking more. I keep all the programs I use open all the time in separate workspaces |
| 03:24.48 | srged | neah I'll just search google for some apps that really eat up memory and install those |
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| 03:26.03 | unclezipper | srged: You could always install Virtualbox and try out other distros :P |
| 03:27.00 | srged | unclezipper: thats actually something I planned to do |
| 03:28.19 | unclezipper | srged: It's a pretty good learning experience. I used to do it all the time on my desktop machine. Can't on this laptop because the processor isn't that great |
| 03:30.01 | unclezipper | And at the risk of sounding preachy, splitting your programs into separate workspaces helps alot... I don't ever have to resize windows or anything, which you never realize is a pain until you stop doing it. Disregard the color scheme, but here's how I set mine up: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2yl5glf&s=8#.U5E091T7How |
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| 03:43.35 | sugarpuff | which apt repo has the wheezy security fix for the linux kernel? https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-3153 |
| 03:44.04 | sugarpuff | i am seeing 3.2.51-1, can't find 3.2.57-3+deb7u2 |
| 03:44.21 | themill | !wheezy/updates |
| 03:44.21 | dpkg | On Debian 7 "Wheezy" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "wheezy/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "wheezy-updates" which is other updated packages (formerly known as volatile, ask me about <wheezy-updates>). See also <sources.list>. |
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| 03:45.07 | sugarpuff | !sources.list |
| 03:45.07 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 03:45.19 | themill | dpkg: tell sugarpuff about wheezy sources.list |
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| 03:46.25 | dalias | anyone know where to get patches for CVE-2014-3153 that actually apply cleanly to latest stable kernel? |
| 03:47.43 | sugarpuff | themill: thank you! |
| 03:47.46 | sugarpuff | anything i should know before attempting to downgrade my kernel from 3.11 to the fixed 3.2.57-3+deb7u2 ? |
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| 03:48.20 | themill | sugarpuff: what led you to installing the newer kernel to begin with? |
| 03:48.31 | sugarpuff | themill: ignorance |
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| 03:48.38 | themill | heh |
| 03:48.48 | themill | how did you install the newer kernel? |
| 03:48.57 | themill | dalias: that CVE is fixed in wheezy already |
| 03:49.07 | dalias | not if you're using a self-built kernel |
| 03:49.15 | dalias | and there are lots of good reasons to want to use a recent kernel |
| 03:49.27 | sugarpuff | themill: i first installed the headers: apt-get install linux-headers-3.11-2-amd64 |
| 03:49.35 | themill | dalias: well if you're using a self-built kernel, why do you want patches for the wheezy kernel |
| 03:49.37 | dalias | the CVE announcement was really unprofessional :( |
| 03:49.44 | dalias | themill, i said latest stable kernel |
| 03:49.50 | dalias | not wheezy kernel |
| 03:49.59 | dalias | i mean stable in the kernel.org stable sense |
| 03:50.00 | themill | dalias: you're in #debian. stable means wheezy. |
| 03:50.04 | dalias | sorry |
| 03:50.10 | themill | no idea. |
| 03:50.23 | dalias | this CVE announcement was really unprofessional :( |
| 03:50.39 | dalias | no indication of affected or non-affected versions, no indication of what versions the patch applies cleanly to, etc. |
| 03:50.41 | sugarpuff | themill: actually, no, i first did: `apt-get install linux-image-amd64` |
| 03:50.51 | sugarpuff | then i installed the headers |
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| 03:51.05 | dalias | (and yes i know that's not debian's fault. just figured maybe someone here would know) |
| 03:51.10 | themill | sugarpuff: you should be able to downgrade those packages ok. Or you could pick up newer ones from wheezy-backports |
| 03:51.27 | sugarpuff | themill: then i ran update-grub and rebooted |
| 03:52.17 | sugarpuff | i still can't find this kernel. I just ran: aptitude show linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 03:52.23 | sugarpuff | and it gives me 3.2.51-1 |
| 03:52.52 | sugarpuff | my sources are: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib ; deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free ; deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free |
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| 03:53.30 | sugarpuff | !security |
| 03:53.30 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 03:53.35 | Mr_Queue | You forgot to make initrd I think. |
| 03:53.47 | Mr_Queue | sugarpuff: ^ |
| 03:53.56 | sugarpuff | Mr_Queue: what do you mean? |
| 03:54.04 | Mr_Queue | Look that up.. |
| 03:54.13 | sugarpuff | are you referring to when i installed the updated kernel? |
| 03:54.14 | Mr_Queue | And use kernel-package next time. |
| 03:54.32 | Mr_Queue | Well I'm late to this.. |
| 03:54.37 | themill | sugarpuff: did you run apt-get update after changing your sources.list? |
| 03:54.44 | sugarpuff | themill: yes |
| 03:54.55 | sugarpuff | well, aptitude update |
| 03:55.09 | Mr_Queue | Also.... Did you run out of space on / on the install? Lots could make that fail.. |
| 03:55.21 | themill | sugarpuff: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" for me? |
| 03:55.36 | sugarpuff | themill: ah there it is! |
| 03:56.17 | sugarpuff | themill: i thought that might be it: http://pastebin.com/9SGqRne7 |
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| 03:57.17 | sugarpuff | so what's the command to pick that version? |
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| 03:57.53 | sugarpuff | aptitude install linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd6=3.2.57-3+deb7u2 ? |
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| 03:58.54 | themill | sugarpuff: s/6/64/. But "apt-get upgrade" (or aptitude safe-upgrade) should install it too |
| 03:59.28 | sugarpuff | themill: "safe-upgrade" will do a downgrade? |
| 03:59.41 | themill | you're not downgrading that pakage |
| 03:59.43 | themill | +c |
| 04:01.23 | sugarpuff | themill: ah, i see… hmm, so then i just need to tell grub to boot that image, right? will just running `update-grup` do it, or do i have to edit some file? |
| 04:02.13 | themill | can you not interact with grub at boot time to select the right entry? |
| 04:02.43 | sugarpuff | themill: nope |
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| 04:03.51 | themill | ah. grub-set-default might help then |
| 04:04.50 | sugarpuff | hmm, ok researching… thanks |
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| 04:27.41 | sugarpuff | humm, i thought i changed the kernel but it booted into the same one. i edited /etc/default/grub and set the default to 2: http://pastebin.com/jNs9r5mN |
| 04:27.43 | sugarpuff | then i ran update-grub |
| 04:27.46 | sugarpuff | and rebooted |
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| 04:31.48 | sugarpuff | any thoughts? |
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| 04:36.37 | nezZario | Hum |
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| 04:36.51 | nezZario | So are lvm snapshots backwards from zfs? |
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| 04:39.44 | nezZario | I'm really confused? |
| 04:40.16 | nezZario | I just want to be able to create a snapshot 'at this point in time' and keep using my original volume normally |
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| 04:50.19 | nezZario | O-O |
| 04:50.30 | nezZario | so, I have to set aside space in advance for the snaps ? |
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| 05:00.40 | Mr_Queue | oh man.. I used to know this.. |
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| 05:00.53 | sugarpuff | am running debian and cannot figure out how to select different kernel in grub. am using systemd with it. from /etc/default/grub: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet init=/bin/systemd" |
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| 05:00.59 | sugarpuff | the problem, i think, is that changing GRUB_DEFAULT didn't do anything (it didn't pick the different kernel) |
| 05:01.04 | sugarpuff | i did run update-grub afterwards |
| 05:01.09 | sugarpuff | /boot/grub/grub.cfg lists one menuentry and then a submenu with a bunch of other menuentrys |
| 05:01.13 | sugarpuff | the kernel that i need to boot is in that submenu |
| 05:01.20 | Mr_Queue | sugarpuff: you should send this to the mailing list. |
| 05:01.33 | sugarpuff | Mr_Queue: ok, which one? |
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| 05:02.00 | Mr_Queue | debian-user... make sure to add systemd and you're sure to become the next Bieber. |
| 05:02.12 | sugarpuff | mmk... |
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| 05:03.49 | Mr_Queue | lol |
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| 05:04.54 | unclezipper | Does anybody know when Chromium devs plan to have their new renderer sorted out? I'm not sure how much longer I can go like this without gouging out my eyes |
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| 05:05.21 | Mr_Queue | Another good one for the mailing list really.. |
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| 05:07.50 | unclezipper | Mr_Queue: I'm sure they're sick of hearing it, I was just wondering if anyone here knew :P |
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| 05:08.04 | Mr_Queue | Got ya... |
| 05:08.15 | Mr_Queue | But, it would be new from them really.. |
| 05:08.20 | Mr_Queue | news* |
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| 05:10.10 | sugarpuff | i figured out how to fix it: you have to set GRUB_DEFAULT to a string (the menu title) instead of an index |
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| 05:11.45 | Mr_Queue | Well luckly there isn't a bot that kicks for solutions.. (yet) |
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| 05:21.15 | sugarpuff | ^_^ |
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| 06:06.37 | paul_grozav | Hello, anyone online? :) |
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| 06:06.59 | Mr_Queue | nope |
| 06:07.06 | Mr_Queue | just the entire planet. |
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| 06:07.43 | Mr_Queue | What did you break? |
| 06:08.03 | paul_grozav | I need to set my MySQL's datadir to a NFS mounted drive but I get this error error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 06:08.40 | paul_grozav | I know that some may say it's not a good ideea to set it remote but, can we, please, solve this? |
| 06:09.20 | Mr_Queue | Well this isn't for Debian, but I'd take a pair of guesses at this... |
| 06:10.13 | Mr_Queue | That socket is alread in use from a stale mysql session.. ie, you're trying to start it on a running (dead/hung/locked) or you have the binding port locked.. |
| 06:10.16 | Mr_Queue | so.. |
| 06:10.39 | paul_grozav | the socket file does not exist |
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| 06:11.45 | paul_grozav | and it's normal, since a restart first stops the service ... but then when it starts the mysql service it complains about not finding that socket, but I don't know why it's not created |
| 06:11.58 | Mr_Queue | what's netstat say about it all? |
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| 06:11.59 | paul_grozav | mysql should create it at startup |
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| 06:12.13 | Mr_Queue | and a ps faux or whatever.. |
| 06:12.50 | paul_grozav | i don't see anything related to port 3306 in netstat |
| 06:13.20 | Mr_Queue | Just started thinking about the nfs end... |
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| 06:13.52 | Mr_Queue | You get anything in the logs? What about UID's? |
| 06:14.00 | Mr_Queue | They need to marry up. |
| 06:14.05 | paul_grozav | hmm, there seem to be a lot of processes /usr/sbin/mysqld with --datadir= being on the remote file system, I just think I'll do a reboot |
| 06:14.18 | Mr_Queue | no no. |
| 06:14.33 | Mr_Queue | reboots are for windows.. |
| 06:14.38 | paul_grozav | :D |
| 06:14.52 | Mr_Queue | Stop/start or restart the single service.. |
| 06:14.54 | paul_grozav | I know ... I could have done some kills but it's almost up now |
| 06:15.00 | Mr_Queue | But you have to have something in the logs about all this. |
| 06:15.03 | Mr_Queue | either machine |
| 06:15.19 | paul_grozav | well the error I pasted was from the logs |
| 06:15.32 | paul_grozav | from /var/log/syslog |
| 06:15.53 | Mr_Queue | I've never tried services across NFS, only used it for storage.. |
| 06:15.54 | Mr_Queue | so.. |
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| 06:16.12 | Mr_Queue | But, I suppose you also need to look at the UID's on each side. |
| 06:16.22 | Mr_Queue | they must be the same.. |
| 06:16.34 | paul_grozav | UID of mysql ? |
| 06:16.41 | Mr_Queue | There are better ways to do this with less headache for a reason.. Just saying.. ;) |
| 06:16.57 | Mr_Queue | well someone needs to run that service right? |
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| 06:17.28 | paul_grozav | well yes, the mysql service runs on machine A that has mounted a folder from machine B |
| 06:18.03 | paul_grozav | do I need to make sure that UID of mysql from system A exists on system B or what should I check ? |
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| 06:18.09 | Mr_Queue | Yep. |
| 06:18.22 | Mr_Queue | The user on each machine must have the same UID.. |
| 06:18.33 | Mr_Queue | That's how permissions work.. |
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| 06:18.55 | Mr_Queue | UID, not hillbilly name like bob.. lol |
| 06:19.00 | paul_grozav | But why is it important to have a user on system B with the same UID ? |
| 06:19.06 | Mr_Queue | UID and GID |
| 06:19.20 | Mr_Queue | Back to perms... what are you doing? |
| 06:19.26 | Mr_Queue | 777 wouldn't matter.. |
| 06:19.35 | Mr_Queue | 654 would |
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| 06:20.27 | paul_grozav | for example on the drive I mounted I had some files that were owned by user id 1001 1002 and so on, users that don't exist on system A, and even so I could read the files, so I don't see why it's any different with mysql |
| 06:20.28 | Mr_Queue | You can't write to something your UID doesn't have write to. |
| 06:20.49 | Mr_Queue | read only is easy |
| 06:21.10 | paul_grozav | But no one needs to write to the mysql files on system B |
| 06:21.21 | paul_grozav | B is supposed to store them, that's it |
| 06:21.34 | Mr_Queue | You spanned a service across a NFS volume.. |
| 06:21.53 | paul_grozav | only A (where mysql user exists and owns the files) will write and read the files |
| 06:22.16 | Mr_Queue | So why go though all this an just make that mysql server a remote server? |
| 06:22.28 | Mr_Queue | IMO, you're making this a pretty hard job. |
| 06:23.17 | Mr_Queue | put mysql right on top of your large storage volume. |
| 06:23.25 | Mr_Queue | leave it be |
| 06:23.35 | jelly-home | paul_grozav: which nfs version are you using? (look at "mount" output, vers= ...) v3 needs to match numerical uids and gids for permissions |
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| 06:24.22 | jelly-home | nfs v4 supposedly has id mapping |
| 06:24.28 | Mr_Queue | Yup. |
| 06:25.03 | Mr_Queue | But you're still better off having the server on top of the data, and let mysql deal with the remote requests. |
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| 06:26.06 | jelly-home | paul_grozav: what's the usage scenario? If this is for backups, how are you ensuring consistency? |
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| 06:27.38 | jelly-home | Mr_Queue: if the exported fs was a point-in-time snapshot of /var/lib/mysql instead of live data, that would make a consistent copy possible over nfs |
| 06:27.40 | paul_grozav | the nfs partition is on a NAS |
| 06:27.55 | paul_grozav | I have a small HDD in the server, just for the os |
| 06:28.10 | paul_grozav | all the data are supposed to be stored on a different network equipament |
| 06:28.12 | Mr_Queue | I need to read that like 3 times, sec.. |
| 06:28.45 | BlueEagle | paul_grozav: You could mount the partition using CIFS/SMB on the server, but expect a bottleneck if you are doing large data volumes. |
| 06:29.02 | Mr_Queue | But still... |
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| 06:29.23 | Mr_Queue | What not just put mysql on top of the data set and call that service remotely? |
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| 06:29.49 | BlueEagle | paul_grozav: Oh, sorry, you're using NFS, not NTFS. I haven't had my coffe yet. :) |
| 06:30.13 | Mr_Queue | I mean hell, tmp tables etc.. You're going to have one slug of a box. |
| 06:30.13 | paul_grozav | BlueEagle: :D |
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| 06:30.38 | Mr_Queue | paul_grozav: You can't put mysql on top of the data? |
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| 06:31.03 | Mr_Queue | same box I'm saying |
| 06:31.51 | BlueEagle | Mr_Queue: That's not pretty if you want to set up dedicated storage servers. |
| 06:32.20 | Mr_Queue | Sure it is. |
| 06:32.20 | paul_grozav | Mr_Queue: I don't think so ... I'd prefer to keep that just for storing data, reading and writing to both HDD at the same time |
| 06:32.41 | Mr_Queue | Perhaps we have a different idea of what 'storage' is.. |
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| 06:32.52 | Mr_Queue | Active mysql data isn't 'storage'... |
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| 06:33.02 | Mr_Queue | It's hot disk shit.. |
| 06:33.06 | BlueEagle | paul_grozav: I guess I have missed the start of this conversation, so I am not sure what the issue is. To me it seems like you would mount the NFS partition at boot prior to MySQL starting and set up MySQL to use data directory in the NFS mount. Not sure what the issue is. |
| 06:33.55 | BlueEagle | Mr_Queue: Indeed we do. |
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| 06:34.59 | paul_grozav | I need to set my MySQL's datadir to a NFS mounted drive but I get this error error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 06:35.11 | paul_grozav | nfs partition is already mountes |
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| 06:35.27 | paul_grozav | i'm trying to start the mysql service from command line |
| 06:35.27 | jelly-home | paul_grozav: does mysql support that at all? |
| 06:35.34 | paul_grozav | and i get that error in the logs |
| 06:35.35 | Mr_Queue | BlueEagle: He's trying to span mysql read/writes across a NFS volume and the service won't start because of a locked socket |
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| 06:36.21 | Mr_Queue | I pointed out UID/GID's marrying up across the volumes earlier, and now we're here. |
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| 06:36.41 | Mr_Queue | I wouldn't do it.. |
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| 06:36.55 | jelly-home | paul_grozav: ensure no mysqld process is running. Then try to start the service, then show the output of that, and "grep mysql /var/log/daemon.log" |
| 06:36.57 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 06:36.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 06:37.15 | paul_grozav | Mr_Queue: I know, but I need a NAS to just store the data and then use it from a different server |
| 06:37.17 | Mr_Queue | I'd just drop mysql on top of whatever end of this has the data and make remote queries.. But that's just me. |
| 06:37.19 | jelly-home | paul_grozav: does mysql documentation state putting datadir on NFS is actually supported? |
| 06:37.49 | Mr_Queue | paul_grozav: That's basically exactly what mysql does.. |
| 06:37.51 | BlueEagle | I would be amazed if the socket would be closed because the datadir is on NFS on another server. Does the mysql log say anything about not being able to open files? |
| 06:38.02 | Mr_Queue | It just lets a disk store shit and it sorts through it. |
| 06:38.06 | paul_grozav | just a moment, please let me retry starting the mysql service again |
| 06:38.15 | Mr_Queue | Put mysql on your nas box and remote query it. |
| 06:38.23 | jelly-home | that'd be too easy |
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| 06:39.48 | Mr_Queue | strace the fucker and we'll know right away... |
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| 06:40.15 | jelly-home | strace comes after reading the logs |
| 06:40.21 | Mr_Queue | I'm betting mysql won't do it.. Or.. You config won't allow it.. Like innodb or some shit.. |
| 06:40.38 | Mr_Queue | You can't even do that across partitions let alone a NFS volume. |
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| 06:42.15 | Mr_Queue | Well take that back.. I think like mysql 5.3 or 5.4 let innodb span partitions.. I forget.. |
| 06:42.30 | Mr_Queue | (still sucks) lol |
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| 06:43.07 | BlueEagle | paul_grozav: Also, just to be sure, did you just copy the data files from the old data directory to the nfs partition, or did you correctly initialize tha data directory with msyql_install_db? |
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| 06:44.25 | paul_grozav | http://pastebin.com/ii1tgh93 |
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| 06:45.19 | Mr_Queue | You firewall yourself? |
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| 06:45.49 | Mr_Queue | strace it |
| 06:45.56 | paul_grozav | Mr_Queue Yes, I have a strict firewall, but I allow all packages from 127.0.0.1 to 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:46.09 | jelly-home | paul_grozav: alright, is there a mysqld process running at that point? |
| 06:46.13 | Mr_Queue | strace it |
| 06:46.28 | Mr_Queue | strace -vvts 800 |
| 06:46.34 | Mr_Queue | or whatever you want |
| 06:46.46 | BlueEagle | paul_grozav: 127.0.0.1 on one server is not the same 127.0.0.1 on anohter server |
| 06:46.47 | Mr_Queue | -o and drop that somewhere |
| 06:47.13 | Mr_Queue | The strace should make sense to hime when we find the lines. |
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| 06:47.18 | paul_grozav | jelly-home: after running the /etc/init.d/mysql restart Yes, i have an opened process: /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/webHosting/database .... |
| 06:47.34 | jelly-home | paul_grozav: what's its pid and start time? |
| 06:47.46 | Mr_Queue | fart |
| 06:47.51 | paul_grozav | Mr_Queue: -bash: strace: command not found ... Do I really need to install it ? |
| 06:47.51 | Mr_Queue | strace it |
| 06:48.11 | Mr_Queue | I don't know an admin that doesn't have it. |
| 06:48.13 | paul_grozav | jelly-home: mysql 4380 0.8 20.9 279224 26124 pts/0 Dl 09:39 0:02 \_ /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/webHosting/database --plugin-dir=/usr/lib/mysql/plugin --user=mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/m |
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| 06:48.30 | Mr_Queue | attache to the pid too, you'll see what's going down.. |
| 06:48.52 | jelly-home | D state, eh |
| 06:48.55 | Mr_Queue | bet it's like some futex loop wait or something |
| 06:48.57 | Mr_Queue | oh... |
| 06:48.58 | Mr_Queue | heh |
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| 06:49.03 | Mr_Queue | yeah about that...... |
| 06:49.08 | Mr_Queue | REBOOOOOOOOOOT |
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| 06:49.34 | Mr_Queue | But you cause it.. So.. try to figure that out. |
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| 06:50.23 | jelly-home | paul_grozav: D state means the process is waiting for io to finish. at this point you can make Mr_Queue happy and run lsof -n -p 4380 and strace it. |
| 06:51.05 | Mr_Queue | strace would be nice.. it's looping though.. |
| 06:51.15 | Mr_Queue | futex wait |
| 06:51.17 | jelly-home | paul_grozav: my gut feeling would be mysql needs some tuning to work over nfs |
| 06:51.18 | Mr_Queue | watch.. |
| 06:52.46 | Mr_Queue | Come on man, strace it... I'll dance at your wedding. |
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| 06:55.54 | paul_grozav | lsof : http://pastebin.com/F7U2q8XT |
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| 06:56.01 | paul_grozav | how do I strace it? :D |
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| 06:56.36 | paul_grozav | strace -vvts 800 does not work |
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| 07:01.43 | Mr_Queue | paul_grozav: no, need more.. |
| 07:01.44 | Mr_Queue | so.. |
| 07:02.00 | Mr_Queue | strace -vvts 800 -p <PID> |
| 07:02.04 | Mr_Queue | or.. |
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| 07:02.37 | Mr_Queue | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.53 | paul_grozav | i attached it to the mysqld process |
| 07:02.58 | paul_grozav | but it doesnt pritn anything |
| 07:03.00 | Mr_Queue | first will attach to a running pid and you'll see ....... |
| 07:03.04 | Mr_Queue | so it's dead.. |
| 07:03.22 | Mr_Queue | try to kill -6 it |
| 07:03.31 | Mr_Queue | the PID |
| 07:03.44 | Mr_Queue | -9 to mysql is like death to your mother... |
| 07:03.51 | Mr_Queue | but sometimes... :) lol |
| 07:04.16 | Mr_Queue | If you can't kill it, it's orphaned, and you'll need to reboot.. |
| 07:04.27 | paul_grozav | mysql 4380 0.8 0.0 0 0 pts/0 Zl 09:39 0:11 \_ [mysqld] <defunct> |
| 07:04.28 | paul_grozav | brb |
| 07:04.33 | Mr_Queue | Orphaned PID's are pretty rare, but they happen. |
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| 07:18.47 | Mr_Queue | paul_grozav: nuke that shit? |
| 07:18.59 | Mr_Queue | I'm about to call it a night.. |
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| 07:27.32 | shingouz | can the debian installer resize an existing ext4 or would it be easier to just boot on a live system and do the resize from that before the install? |
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| 07:29.33 | Mr_Queue | Been forever for me, but I'd just get the partitions ready from Knoppix or whatever.. I'm pretty sure the installer can do it but why waste a few reboots? |
| 07:29.52 | Mr_Queue | I'm out. |
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| 07:31.57 | peetaur2 | shingouz: dunno about you guys, but I absolutely HATE that the debian installer cd doesn't have stuff like parted, mdadm, etc. to do all that stuff in the other ttys during install... seems like such a basic thing to me. So whenever I want something like that on a debian machine I just use any openSUSE cd (live, rescue, installer) to do it. |
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| 07:32.34 | peetaur2 | missing tools like that also makes things like the preseed post install script nearly useless |
| 07:32.46 | peetaur2 | er eary-* not post install |
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| 08:00.49 | jmcnaught | peetaur2: There's the "Load installer components from CD" step in the debian installer that lets you install parted. I just tested it in a VM right now out of curiousity and am able to run parted and mdadm in another tty. They don't become available until after this step though, so I'm not sure if that helps you. Also this is with the expert install option |
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| 08:03.09 | jiku | hello.. |
| 08:03.20 | jiku | im running jessie for past few months and all good till now.. |
| 08:03.40 | jiku | had an update of chromium day before yesterday and now my flash is broken. |
| 08:03.49 | jiku | i already have flash-nonfree installed.. |
| 08:03.52 | ShiroNeko | hello, how can i see which processes are accessing my hdds? |
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| 08:03.56 | jiku | do i need to install pepperflash-nonfree for this. ? |
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| 08:05.29 | peetaur2 | jmcnaught: is there a way to configure that in a preseed.cfg ? |
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| 08:06.18 | jmcnaught | peetaur2: sorry i'm not sure, i just know that they are available as udebs when using the installer manually |
| 08:06.56 | peetaur2 | okay, so if they're just udebs, I guess the preseed can find the .udeb files somewhere and install them from a script ... |
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| 08:13.08 | jmcnaught | peetaur2: it might be something like "d-i anna/choose_modules string parted" but i'm not really that experienced with preseeding the installer |
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| 08:16.21 | peetaur2 | okay that should help :) |
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| 08:16.39 | peetaur2 | I could also do it manually and maybe debconf-show might give me some details on what was changed by the menu |
| 08:16.43 | peetaur2 | thanks |
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| 08:29.55 | Walex2 | jiku: question relating to archives unrelated to the released Debian as per /topic (another IRC network...) |
| 08:30.25 | Walex2 | peetaur2: GRML is in effect the live sysadm CD for Debian |
| 08:31.56 | jiku | Walex2, thank you.. but is there anther iRC dealing with debian testing.. im running jessie and the update for chrome has broken the flash. |
| 08:32.14 | peetaur2 | sure but why should I reboot to fix some partition, lvm, or mdadm problem when I should be able to just use a text tty? |
| 08:32.44 | peetaur2 | I often prefer to do manual partitioning, with for loops ... and can't do it all in debian like I can in openSUSE |
| 08:33.08 | peetaur2 | (openSUSE GUI also has a "copy from disk ..." feature for raid setups ... but I still use the CLI bash loops) |
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| 08:33.32 | jiku | hmm. #debian-next |
| 08:33.53 | Walex2 | jiku: #debian-next on irc.debian.org not on freenode. |
| 08:34.36 | Walex2 | peetaur2: same here -- I prepartition stuff before running the installer etc. |
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| 08:40.29 | RickyB98 | plays Mines in Debian's aptitude... |
| 08:40.58 | TheQuestionmark | never got used to aptitude's UI. |
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| 08:45.43 | ramers | no thank you |
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| 08:45.57 | Walex2 | TheQuestionmark: it is excellent as long as you use flat list or only 2-3 categories (I use status) |
| 08:46.17 | ramers | i hate all |
| 08:46.26 | ramers | you know |
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| 08:46.34 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.49 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.54 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:47.09 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:47.27 | Walex2 | TheQuestionmark: I have written some intro to middling advanced package list management using aptitude here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html#130414 |
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| 08:47.37 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.48 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.49 | TheQuestionmark | I got used to 'apt-cache TERM' |
| 08:48.04 | ramers | to give oune computer for him |
| 08:48.15 | TheQuestionmark | Sure it doesn't looks as nice, especially if you got to use pipes to search for certain packages. |
| 08:48.25 | ramers | like btman to say batman |
| 08:48.37 | ramers | hate all space |
| 08:48.40 | TheQuestionmark | But at least the commands aren't as weird as they use to for aptitude's UI. |
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| 08:49.15 | ramers | like batmn hate all body |
| 08:49.24 | ramers | like batman hate all body |
| 08:49.43 | ramers | very right |
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| 08:49.57 | ramers | i dont franc maon |
| 08:49.59 | ramers | mason |
| 08:50.05 | xand | WTF is going on here |
| 08:50.08 | ramers | i dont mason |
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| 08:50.16 | ramers | and hate that mutch |
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| 08:51.22 | TheQuestionmark | xand: IRC madness. |
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| 08:52.19 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:52.58 | ramers | i speak in english justely |
| 08:53.15 | TheQuestionmark | How we can replace Debian by the best and only distribution meaningful to Linux... Ubuntu. |
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| 08:53.26 | TheQuestionmark | [/sarcasm] |
| 08:53.30 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.35 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.49 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.55 | ramers | not you |
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| 08:54.56 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.07 | ramers | savoir que tout le monde sen fiche |
| 08:55.11 | ramers | meme les putes |
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| 08:57.20 | ramers | les putes sont les femens |
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| 08:57.25 | ramers | biensure |
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| 08:59.20 | jmcnaught | ramers: it's clear that you need help, but maybe this isn't the place to get it. Nous sommes les benevoles ici, veuillez respecter SVP. |
| 08:59.57 | ramers | je concdere pas les femens du benevolat |
| 09:00.29 | ramers | enmeme temps que gratuit dpouiller le musée grévin en françe voir les autre qui s'en fiche |
| 09:00.36 | ramers | enmeme temps que gratuit dpouiller le musée grévin en françe voir les autres qui s'en fiche |
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| 09:00.46 | xand | ramers: go take your meds. |
| 09:01.45 | ramers | jaime vraiment pas les femens à s'interroger plus tot |
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| 09:02.22 | Paradisee | o/ |
| 09:02.49 | stack | hello, hasn't openssl > 1.0.1g-4 yet landed on jessie or security.debian? I don't see any upgrade on that, should I pull 1.0.1h-1 from sid? |
| 09:03.57 | ramers | jaime vraiment pas les femens à s'interroger plus tot. |
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| 09:05.22 | jmcnaught | stack: do you need it for jessie or for wheezy? |
| 09:05.27 | stack | jessie |
| 09:05.43 | ramers | jaime vraiment pas les femens à s'interroger plus tot |
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| 09:06.00 | jmcnaught | stack: they might have a better answer for you in #debian-next on irc.debian.org |
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| 09:06.15 | ramers | jaime vraiment pas les femens à s'interroger plus tot |
| 09:06.34 | ramers | cest fausses meuf |
| 09:06.37 | ramers | dégeulasse |
| 09:06.46 | ramers | moi je suit religieux |
| 09:06.46 | shingouz | !fr |
| 09:06.47 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 09:06.56 | ramers | jappréçierait pas quelle pisse dessus |
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| 09:07.47 | jmcnaught | !ops ramers is being offensive and repetitive in french |
| 09:07.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: ramers is being offensive and repetitive in french |
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| 09:08.20 | bazhang | his french isnt even very good |
| 09:08.21 | peterS | hmmm, is "je suit" a common misspelling? |
| 09:08.28 | ramers | si elle souhaite une loiberter quelqconque c'est linverse le propot en faait |
| 09:08.31 | ramers | si elle souhaite une loiberter quelqconque c'est linverse le propot en fit |
| 09:08.34 | ramers | si elle souhaite une loiberter quelqconque c'est linverse le propot en fait |
| 09:08.38 | Charlie | ._. |
| 09:08.47 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 09:08.48 | bazhang | its like google translate for kidz |
| 09:08.48 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@cha92-4-82-224-226-31.fbx.proxad.net] by peterS |
| 09:08.48 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 09:08.49 | ramers | si elle souhaite une liberter quelqconque c'est linverse le propot en fait |
| 09:09.02 | Charlie | waves ramers goodbye. |
| 09:09.07 | peterS | oh yeah, that's right, need +q on this network |
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| 09:12.16 | jmcnaught | thanks |
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| 09:12.52 | peterS | no problem |
| 09:13.10 | shingouz | now if i could just do a find /dev/desk usbstick... |
| 09:13.39 | peetaur2 | shingouz: just buy a new one... saves time |
| 09:13.51 | Charlie | Hue |
| 09:13.51 | peterS | maybe it's plugged into a forgotten hub. 'lsusb' (: |
| 09:14.29 | shingouz | haha. i *do* have multiple computers sitting on my desk but i am not quite that bad :) |
| 09:15.11 | Charlie | One day, when desks run on Linux .. we can only dream .. |
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| 09:16.18 | shingouz | at that time we will probably buy toilet paper with windows installed by default |
| 09:16.53 | Charlie | Lol, toilet paper with e-ink .. read the news and then wipe your ass with it. |
| 09:17.11 | TheQuestionmark | The day Linux gets mainstream on desktops, we may also encounter the joy of badly programmed bloatware, unneeded AVs and kid questions. |
| 09:17.33 | alad | TheQuestionmark: and that's already not the case? :) |
| 09:17.36 | alad | except for the AV part |
| 09:17.43 | alad | though there's progress on that front too |
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| 09:18.25 | TheQuestionmark | Not yet. |
| 09:18.36 | Walex2 | alad: we have already gotten to the point where GNU/Linux major sw authors boast proudly that it is fully '.ini' file syntax compliant :-) |
| 09:18.36 | TheQuestionmark | Although I can't speak for bloatware. |
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| 09:18.59 | alad | Walex2: D: |
| 09:19.08 | TheQuestionmark | That means if you leave alone GNOME3, Unity and some qt stuff. |
| 09:19.11 | peetaur2 | TheQuestionmark: kid questions are alrady the case.... take a visit to #ubuntu |
| 09:19.17 | Walex2 | alad: and some major GUI projects badly want to base theirs on a registry :-) |
| 09:19.19 | Charlie | Ah Gnome3 |
| 09:19.20 | TheQuestionmark | Ubuntu doesn't count. |
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| 09:19.38 | peetaur2 | TheQuestionmark: and for badly programmed bloatware, see systemd, dbus, etc. all being adopted for no good reason other than redhat says so |
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| 09:19.46 | TheQuestionmark | Majority doesn't realizes Ubuntu to be GNU/Linux and instead keeps their Windows behavior. |
| 09:20.04 | Charlie | Ubuntu is fine tbh, I just think of it as unstable debian .. |
| 09:20.07 | Yukikaze | you could say the majority of gui frontend of things are badly programmed blotware TheQuestionmark |
| 09:20.09 | TheQuestionmark | Oh yea... forgot about systemd. |
| 09:20.12 | TheQuestionmark | Silly me. |
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| 09:20.40 | Yukikaze | systemd is a virus |
| 09:20.41 | Yukikaze | http://boycottsystemd.org/ |
| 09:20.48 | peetaur2 | and dont' get me wrong... a well implemented init system like systemd has huge potential, but first you need to fork it and split it up into components (everything does one thing very well! not one thing takes over the system) |
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| 09:21.07 | peetaur2 | fork because the devs are insane |
| 09:21.29 | alad | oh yes |
| 09:21.36 | alad | datenwolf vs poettering is epic |
| 09:21.39 | alad | lol |
| 09:21.40 | peetaur2 | or rather the project managers .... insane devs can be under control, but it cannot be the insane ones that decide which patches to accept |
| 09:21.50 | Charlie | http://ianchiles.com/ - Read the posts on Kirk if you haven't |
| 09:22.04 | Charlie | Pretty interesting what he's doing |
| 09:22.24 | peetaur2 | LibreSSL today ... LibreSystemD next year |
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| 09:23.09 | alad | how can systemd be libre |
| 09:23.17 | alad | it's windows by design |
| 09:24.11 | alad | besides the .ini files, you get binary logs and so on |
| 09:24.21 | alad | windows that way ----------> |
| 09:24.46 | Charlie | Needs more Registry |
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| 09:27.05 | shellox | hi |
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| 09:27.13 | shellox | how can i change the dir colors in debian |
| 09:27.25 | alad | colors where |
| 09:27.29 | alad | terminal file manager etc |
| 09:27.44 | alad | details |
| 09:27.49 | Paradisee | how can i pass a dir from my machine, to a vps? |
| 09:28.02 | shellox | alad: sorry terminal colors |
| 09:28.10 | shellox | like the output of ls --color=auto |
| 09:28.29 | Charlie | add an alias for ls = "ls --color=auto" |
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| 09:28.57 | Charlie | Paradisee: I am assuming you mean upload? Just use sftp. |
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| 09:29.18 | Paradisee | Charlie: id prefer a ssh upload |
| 09:29.20 | Paradisee | like scp |
| 09:29.34 | bhuddah | sftp != ftps |
| 09:29.39 | peetaur2 | Paradisee: so use scp... I hate sftp and use scp. |
| 09:29.52 | peetaur2 | Paradisee: scp -r somedir/ user@somemachine: |
| 09:30.00 | peetaur2 | Paradisee: or in the future, use man.... man scp |
| 09:30.03 | Paradisee | the problem it doesnt accept my psw |
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| 09:30.18 | shellox | Charlie: what. i see the colors, just the contrast is bad |
| 09:30.22 | Charlie | Erm, scp and sftp both work over ssh btw. |
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| 09:30.26 | shellox | just want to overwrite the colors for my user |
| 09:30.34 | Charlie | shellox: are you using 256 colors? |
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| 09:32.59 | shellox | Charlie: yes |
| 09:33.05 | shellox | https://i.imgur.com/dglU6Ln.png |
| 09:33.09 | shellox | it looks like that |
| 09:33.24 | shellox | i just the solarized theme in iterm2 |
| 09:33.32 | shellox | ssh to the debian server |
| 09:33.34 | shellox | and it looks like that |
| 09:33.39 | shellox | so i want to adjust it a bit |
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| 09:34.29 | gdm85 | hi everybody. shouldn't ssh -o SendEnv= completely disable sending any environment? |
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| 09:34.45 | jmcnaught | shellox: ls -F might help a bit, not with the colors but with adding a / to directories so they stand out more |
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| 09:36.18 | Paradisee | paradisee@paradisee-HP:~/Documents/TwistedApp$ scp IRCbot/ paradisee@vps71889.ovh.net:/ |
| 09:36.18 | Paradisee | paradisee@vps71889.ovh.net's password: |
| 09:36.18 | Paradisee | Permission denied, please try again. |
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| 09:36.23 | Paradisee | wtf? |
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| 09:36.45 | shellox | why would you copy to / lol |
| 09:37.54 | jmcnaught | shellox: "man dircolors" might be helpful for you too |
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| 09:41.56 | Charlie | shellox: that honestly doesn't show anything except that you're using Comic Sans as your font |
| 09:42.26 | shellox | Charlie: it's not comic sans lol |
| 09:42.46 | shellox | it's inconsolata |
| 09:42.46 | Charlie | :< looked like it I swear |
| 09:43.06 | shellox | how does this look like comic sans oO http://levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html |
| 09:44.39 | Charlie | Paradisee: if you're using your SSH credentials, it should work. If it doesn't, something's wrong at the VPS end of things. |
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| 09:45.36 | peetaur2 | it's possible to configure ssh to disable scp and sftp.... but that's crazy; normally a paranoid admin is afraid of giving you a shell that can execute code, not a file only interface. BUt ask the admin if he can enable it. |
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| 09:46.45 | jmcnaught | Paradisee: i'm pretty sure the permission denied error is because the paradisee user does not have permission to write to / on the target system.. |
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| 09:47.32 | armin | so how high should i consider the possible impact of the latest openssl fixes set that addresses CVE-2014-0195? looks to me like i should update my systems as quickly as possible for sure, but can i somehow tell whether or not i'm affected of this? e.g. by telling that i don't use that specific technique or so? |
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| 09:48.51 | riot | hmhm. Having problems with a recently upgrade unstable box's certificates - something seems to be amiss, i just reconfigured ca-certificates: http://pastie.org/9263732 |
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| 09:54.46 | riot | oh. a channel for hot-rocket-riders?! sweet =) |
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| 10:13.58 | anton02 | debian is deprecated |
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| 10:15.18 | willemb | so if the restart option for /etc/init.d/networking is deprecated, How am I supposed to make sure that the currently active networking matches wht the configuration files say? |
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| 10:17.41 | petn-randall | willemb: The proper way with /etc/network/interfaces is to change the config, the run 'ifdown $iface && ifup $iface'. |
| 10:17.56 | sharky | anton02, you crazy mate? |
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| 10:18.46 | sharky | anton02, did you maybe forget to drink your medicine? Don't do that, it is easy to make a fool of yourself. |
| 10:18.50 | willemb | thanks, petn-randall . Where is debian in terms of supporting something like /etc/network/interfaces.d/ , with an interface per file? |
| 10:18.52 | peetaur2 | trolling is deprecated |
| 10:19.41 | Gyndawyr | Why is it when I check my version of Rhythmbox I've got ver. 2.97 but everywhere on the internet says version 3.00 is out? |
| 10:20.00 | willemb | Gyndawyr: because Debian? |
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| 10:20.24 | Gyndawyr | well then how do I tell Debian to install 3.00? |
| 10:20.25 | willemb | jessie has 3.0 |
| 10:20.28 | petn-randall | sharky: Please, don't feed the trolls, move on. |
| 10:20.41 | sharky | petn-randall, I know |
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| 10:21.10 | willemb | Gyndawyr: the troll-answer is: wait 18 months |
| 10:21.11 | petn-randall | Gyndawyr: Stable only receives security updates or serious bugfixes, it's not a rolling release. |
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| 10:21.40 | willemb | petn-randall: do you know what the rules are regarding ethernet alias naming? |
| 10:21.45 | Gyndawyr | But the old one does not support any of the new plugins and is ugly. I want the new one. |
| 10:21.58 | willemb | Gyndawyr: then you dont want debian |
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| 10:22.29 | petn-randall | !tell Gyndawyr about sns |
| 10:22.35 | Gyndawyr | Why the hell would you join #debian and then say "ohh I certainly wouldn't recommend it" |
| 10:22.56 | willemb | petn-randall: I want to add an ip alias to a server specifically for hosting an ssl website, and need some way of recording the reason this ip is here |
| 10:22.58 | sharky | Gyndawyr, or you compile and install it yourself, that needs a bit brain functioning, everything ispossible on debian with a bit of skills |
| 10:23.01 | peetaur2 | Gyndawyr: I've joined the #windows channel before ... |
| 10:23.04 | willemb | calling it eth0:example.com would be first prize |
| 10:23.29 | Gyndawyr | How much bit of skills do you mean? I'm scraping the barrel here... |
| 10:24.06 | peetaur2 | Gyndawyr: you can add different repos with newer versions... testing or unstable |
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| 10:24.23 | Gyndawyr | I'm pleased with myself because it only took me 2 days after installing to figure out where the setting was to switch the desktop icons on |
| 10:24.38 | Gyndawyr | how do I go about that then peetaur2? |
| 10:24.56 | willemb | Gyndawyr: it requires the kind of skills that you will execute from the cli. not by clicking around |
| 10:25.16 | centrx | Gyndawyr, Don't upgrade to testing or unstable unless you know what you're doing, and definitely do not cherry pick packages from them into stable. |
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| 10:25.28 | Gyndawyr | why not? |
| 10:25.29 | centrx | Gyndawyr, There seem to be a lot of clowns in this channel at this hour |
| 10:25.54 | centrx | Gyndawyr, If you cherry pick packages, you are very likely to end up with a broken system, sometimes called Frankendebian |
| 10:25.55 | peetaur2 | Gyndawyr: add a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d eg. /etc/apt/sources.list.d/testing.list: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 10:26.01 | willemb | Gyndawyr: basically, if you want to have the latest and greatest, bleeding edge software, you are better off using a different distrobution than debian |
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| 10:26.10 | peetaur2 | Gyndawyr: then apt-get update, then apt-policy <packagename> and it'll tell you about versions in repos |
| 10:26.42 | centrx | Gyndawyr, If you upgrade to testing or unstable, that can generally be a fine thing, but they are less stable than stable and you need to know how Debian works to fix things sometimes |
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| 10:26.51 | willemb | or browse to http://packages.debian.org/rhythmbox . You will see that the maintainers are basically only just starting to test how to get it into debian |
| 10:26.59 | centrx | Gyndawyr, You may want to use backports, or source backports which you do yourself |
| 10:27.05 | centrx | dpkg, tell Gyndawyr about wheezy-backports |
| 10:27.06 | Gyndawyr | I think I've already added the non-free package thing |
| 10:27.23 | willemb | Gyndawyr: it is not about being free, it is about being stable |
| 10:27.25 | peetaur2 | Gyndawyr: willemb is right, but if you want a stable system with a few unstable latest & greatest things, then you can do it like I said with more repos. But in some cases it'll need deps that are incompatible, and so you can't install the newer version in the old system. |
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| 10:27.52 | Gyndawyr | I doubt Rhythmbox will lead to Frankendebian... |
| 10:27.54 | willemb | AND. even backports doesn't have 3.0 |
| 10:28.07 | willemb | It might depend on a newer version of pulse-audio |
| 10:28.10 | willemb | or gnome |
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| 10:28.27 | Gyndawyr | I'm running GNOME with Openbox |
| 10:28.47 | peetaur2 | Gyndawyr: apt-cache policy rhythmbox > 3.0.3-1+b1 in testing, 2.97-2.1 in stable/main |
| 10:29.03 | waqstar | Which is the best way to copy a large file (over 25GB), dd seems do do the trick, but is there a faster way? |
| 10:29.06 | peetaur2 | Gyndawyr: fyi my "apt-policy" command before was a typo ;) apt-cache policy instead |
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| 10:29.17 | willemb | waqstar: what is wrong with cp? |
| 10:29.42 | Gyndawyr | It's illegal willemb |
| 10:29.45 | petn-randall | peetaur2: Please don't recommend beginners to upgrade to testing, this is not a good idea. |
| 10:29.52 | willemb | so i can't call an ethernet alias eth0:foo ? |
| 10:29.59 | peetaur2 | petn-randall: just one package, not the whole system |
| 10:30.03 | sharky | waqstar, I use "rsync -avzP .. .." |
| 10:30.05 | centrx | peetaur2, That's even worse |
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| 10:30.32 | petn-randall | peetaur2: No! Don't recommend such crap, mixing releases is something that'll hose your system. |
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| 10:30.38 | willemb | Gyndawyr: I reccommend you take a full system backup, then try upgrading rhythmbox |
| 10:30.51 | willemb | make sure you know how to reinstall or restore |
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| 10:31.26 | centrx | Gyndawyr, Your best option is a source backport |
| 10:31.29 | centrx | dpkg, tell Gyndawyr about ssb |
| 10:31.38 | willemb | or move to ubuntu |
| 10:31.46 | centrx | That would be dumb |
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| 10:32.07 | peetaur2 | Gyndawyr: but petn-randall reminds me ... you should then set the testing repo to low priority, make another file: /etc/apt/preferences.d/testing and enter this in it: http://dpaste.com/2692PXA/ |
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| 10:32.32 | peetaur2 | petn-randall: answering "yes upgrade my glibc" will hose your system. Upgrading a non-critical package will harm nothing if you test it and it works. |
| 10:32.40 | centrx | peetaur2, Again, mixing releases is a really bad idea. It will break the system and render it unsupportable |
| 10:32.44 | Gyndawyr | my sources.list.d file contains "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/fossfreedom/rhythmbox/ubuntu wheezy main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/fossfreedom/rhythmbox/ubuntu wheezy main" |
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| 10:33.02 | centrx | peetaur2, Almost every package in testing will require a libc6 upgrade nowadays |
| 10:33.04 | peetaur2 | unsupportable is easy to fix... just revert your changes, test, if it's still broken, you now have a supportable system to troubleshoot |
| 10:33.05 | centrx | So that's nonsense |
| 10:33.15 | Gyndawyr | what's deb versus deb-src? |
| 10:33.21 | centrx | peetaur2, I hope you are here 24 hours to fix all the people whose systems you break |
| 10:33.31 | peetaur2 | it's not nonsense... I do the same on every distro, and it has worked fine for years. |
| 10:33.38 | willemb | why do you have an ubuntu sources in a debian sources.list? |
| 10:33.43 | centrx | Gyndawyr, deb-src has source packages |
| 10:34.18 | centrx | peetaur2, What does that mean "on every distro", how is that relevant |
| 10:34.41 | willemb | I think he means release |
| 10:34.58 | petn-randall | peetaur2: Fine, do that, but recommend that in your own channel. General consensus here is that mixing releases is bad and such systems won't be supported in this channel. |
| 10:35.09 | centrx | !frankendebian |
| 10:35.10 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 10:36.32 | Gyndawyr | The *only* thing I want the latest version of is Rhythmbox |
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| 10:36.47 | centrx | Gyndawyr, Try the source backport. It is straightforward with the instructions from dpkg. |
| 10:37.33 | centrx | Gyndawyr, Upgrading to testing is not a bad option if you know what you're doing, but it has caveats. |
| 10:38.05 | Gyndawyr | willemb: If you're asking me why I've got ubuntu sources in a debian sources list, it's because I tried to use some guide I found which said he used debian packages to upgrade to 3.00 |
| 10:39.20 | centrx | Gyndawyr, That is likely to not work well |
| 10:39.28 | Gyndawyr | although when I looked at it, I didn't see any ubuntu-related thing in there |
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| 10:40.11 | Gyndawyr | the only difference between the two lines was deb versus deb-src |
| 10:40.17 | centrx | Gyndawyr, It usually just means the package is compiled for and depends on the versions of software in a particular Ubuntu release -- which may not be the right versions for the Debian packages you have on your system |
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| 10:46.08 | Gyndawyr | So this fossfreedom-rhythmbox-wheezy.list - is it no use to me? should I delete it? |
| 10:46.36 | jmcnaught | Gyndawyr: listen to centrx, getting a newer version of Rhythmbox is not work breaking your Debian system. If people (here, or on blogs and forums) are giving advice to add the testing/unstable repos, or Ubuntu or other repos, it's bad advice |
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| 10:46.59 | jmcnaught | Gyndawyr: yes, definitely remove the Ubuntu PPAs from your APT sources |
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| 10:48.01 | Gyndawyr | I followed this: http://xpressubuntu.wordpress.com/2013/10/06/how-to-install-rhythmbox-3-0-in-saucy/ - saw "I’ve taken the debian sid version which was packaged by the great maintainers there and rebuilt this for Saucy." and thought "Great then it'll work!" |
| 10:48.22 | Gyndawyr | sad times for paco :( |
| 10:48.26 | jmcnaught | unforunately no |
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| 10:48.49 | jmcnaught | the SSB that the dpkg bot should have messaged you about earlier is your best bet |
| 10:49.05 | Voyage | I want to download firefox v20.deb . how /where can iget it? |
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| 10:49.47 | Walex2 | Voyage: mozilla.debian.net may have it |
| 10:50.09 | jmcnaught | Debian Stable doesn't keep up with new software. There's mostly just security updates. Some packages like Iceweasel and Chromium get version bumps, but almost everything else just gets security fixes backported to the version that was released with the current Stable |
| 10:50.22 | centrx | Voyage, Or snapshot.debian.org, also it's called "iceweasel" in Debian |
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| 10:50.45 | Gyndawyr | I'm happy with the version of Iceweasel I've got. |
| 10:50.53 | Gyndawyr | Firefox 29 sucks anyway |
| 10:50.56 | jmcnaught | Gyndawyr: the advantage to that is your system works as expected day to day and you don't get surprised by new versions that work differently when you do updates |
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| 10:51.26 | Voyage | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firefox&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all this says "no results for firefox" |
| 10:51.41 | centrx | dpkg, tell Voyage about iceweasel |
| 10:52.01 | Voyage | i need only v20 |
| 10:52.07 | Voyage | current is v29 |
| 10:52.23 | centrx | Voyage, You have been given two different options for finding it. |
| 10:52.35 | Voyage | apt-get install -t wheezy-backports iceweasel |
| 10:52.44 | Voyage | this will do for v20? |
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| 10:53.11 | centrx | You will find it is more helpful if you look at what people write to you. |
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| 10:55.15 | jmcnaught | Voyage: you probably got v29 from the mozilla.debian.net repo? Without that repo Debian Wheezy has the ESR version which is 24 |
| 10:56.06 | centrx | Voyage, Do keep in mind that an old version of iceweasel will have many security exploits |
| 10:56.15 | centrx | *vulnerable to |
| 10:56.47 | Gyndawyr | Rhythmbox 2 is ugly. I want 3. But then willemb says even backports does not have 3.0. |
| 10:57.01 | centrx | dpkg, tell Gyndawyr about ssb |
| 10:57.06 | Gyndawyr | What if I just get a different music player? What do you guys use? Is Clementine any good? |
| 10:57.17 | Gyndawyr | dpkg stop telling me things :( |
| 10:57.18 | dpkg | Gyndawyr: no idea |
| 10:57.47 | centrx | Gyndawyr, I use mpg123 and mpv, but those are not "music managers", they just play the files |
| 10:58.18 | Gyndawyr | ewww you use a command line music player |
| 10:58.43 | centrx | While wearing a top hat no less |
| 11:00.01 | petn-randall | Gyndawyr: dpkg is telling you useful things so we don't have to type the same answers to recurring questions over and over again. dpkg is a bot. |
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| 11:00.26 | kraehe | is there a list of packages that are adding users to /etc/password? |
| 11:00.47 | Gyndawyr | yeah, it says to ask about <deb-src sid>, but it looks like you'd need to do a lot of hand holding just so I can get this done |
| 11:00.50 | petn-randall | kraehe: Not really. What are you trying to solve? |
| 11:01.33 | petn-randall | Gyndawyr: Well, it depends on how much time you're willing to invest to get a newer version of rhythmbox that just looks better. |
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| 11:01.59 | kraehe | petn-randall, lets say i'm running lots of (virtual) servers - i want that the password file is in sync when it comes to users like mysql or pg |
| 11:02.10 | Gyndawyr | No I don't mind putting the time in, but I'd be asking the community here to do all of the work because I'm new to this. |
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| 11:02.22 | kraehe | nis/yp only solves the problem for regular users, but not for system users, petn-randall |
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| 11:03.56 | petn-randall | kraehe: I see your point. Problem is, some system users, when added, get a uid dynamically allocated. I guess the safest way would be to add daemons to a VM, then just clone it. |
| 11:04.39 | petn-randall | kraehe: Or you could add the users beforehand, the installation script can cope with pre-existing users. |
| 11:04.43 | kraehe | petn-randall, exactly - i need a list of packages that add system users dynamically |
| 11:05.07 | kraehe | to populate an /etc/password beforehand |
| 11:05.11 | jmcnaught | Gyndawyr: honestly the screenshots i've been able to find of rhythmbox 3 look pretty much the same as 2.97. Some look a little different only because they're from a Ubuntu system using a different Gnome theme |
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| 11:05.55 | Gyndawyr | what window manager does GNOME actually use? |
| 11:05.56 | petn-randall | kraehe: To my knowledge such a list hasn't been compiled yet. |
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| 11:06.05 | Gyndawyr | Is it Nautilus, or is that the file manager? |
| 11:06.16 | kraehe | petn-randall, ;-( |
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| 11:06.36 | Gyndawyr | I've been wondering cause I'm running GNOME with Openbox, and if I've got openbox then I don't need the old window manager to be running on startup or anything |
| 11:06.53 | Gyndawyr | I guess it's not that big a deal |
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| 11:07.27 | ryonaloli | has debian stable upgraded openssl against the new CVE? |
| 11:07.59 | Gyndawyr | My window theme is Lucidity |
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| 11:08.45 | sharky | ryonaloli, yes https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2014/msg00129.html |
| 11:08.48 | petn-randall | ryonaloli: Check the changelog, "new CVE" is a very vague term. |
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| 11:09.24 | ryonaloli | is 1.0.1e-2+deb7u10 ok? |
| 11:09.36 | centrx | dpkg, tell ryonaloli about heartbleed |
| 11:09.48 | jmcnaught | Gyndawyr: Nautilus is a file manager. Gnome 3 default window manager is called Mutter. Not sure what everything would like like with Openbox and Gnome together. Clementine is an alternative to Rhythmbox. Amarok, Juk. Or you could go old-school with xmms2 |
| 11:09.53 | ryonaloli | not heartbleed |
| 11:09.56 | ryonaloli | i mean the new thing |
| 11:09.56 | Gyndawyr | jmcnaught: anyway I can get these plugins https://github.com/fossfreedom for rhythmbox 3.0. |
| 11:09.58 | ryonaloli | hm, one sec |
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| 11:10.06 | ryonaloli | http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140605.txt |
| 11:10.17 | sharky | centrx, he asks about the new injection |
| 11:10.28 | centrx | ryonaloli, For the stable distribution (wheezy), these problems have been fixed in version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u10. - http://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2950 |
| 11:10.39 | centrx | "" |
| 11:10.59 | centrx | ryonaloli, So yes, that version is patched |
| 11:11.01 | Gyndawyr | jmcnaught: What's the difference between GNOME and GNOME Classic? |
| 11:11.17 | ryonaloli | oh good |
| 11:11.20 | sharky | http://ccsinjection.lepidum.co.jp/ |
| 11:11.28 | ryonaloli | will i have to reboot (or restart Apache) on any servers i have? |
| 11:11.29 | Gyndawyr | When I first installed Debian my laptop said "too old to run some of the features". Which isn't surprising. |
| 11:11.41 | centrx | Gyndawyr, Gnome 3 is a complete re-write of Gnome from Gnome 2 and 1 |
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| 11:12.01 | jmcnaught | Gyndawyr: those plugins might have versions that work for earlier Rhythmbox.. just be very wary of adding a third-party repository to your apt sources |
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| 11:13.01 | Gyndawyr | Yeah I'm generally not a gambler otherwise I wouldn't have gone with the stable release :) |
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| 11:14.04 | jmcnaught | Gyndawyr: my advice while you're learning is to stick with the software available in Debian's repositories. There's so much stuff in there, you'll probably find something that you like :) |
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| 11:14.14 | sharky | you mean "unstable" probably, but it is not about gambling there, it is about knowing what you do and what you can do |
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| 11:14.54 | blahdeblah | Hi. Anyone noticed that the current chromium in wheezy (35.0.1916.114-1~deb7u2) doesn't have an up-to-date Flash player? I've got two different sites I regularly visit telling me that I'm out of date. :-( |
| 11:15.00 | blahdeblah | And it doesn't look like there's a backport, either |
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| 11:16.47 | Gyndawyr | Ohh guess what? Using Openbox's "Open as Root" works in GNOME... Doesn't work in LXDE, but it works in GNOME. What the hell? |
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| 11:18.08 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.16 | ramers | c'est le vehicule proche |
| 11:18.31 | bhuddah | !fr |
| 11:18.31 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 11:18.33 | Gyndawyr | Ohh there's one easy thing you guys can hopefully help me with. But then again I don't know if I should be asking you or somebody in #LXDE or something |
| 11:19.10 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.17 | lurtz_ | !se |
| 11:19.17 | dpkg | Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974. |
| 11:19.20 | ramers | c'est le véhicule proche |
| 11:19.30 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.34 | Gyndawyr | I've made my own .desktop files to use as shortcuts but the trashcan full/empty icon isn't working, and also I don't know how to make one for the 'Network Servers' icon. |
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| 11:20.07 | jmcnaught | ryonaloli: if you subscribe to the debian security mailing list you get emails about the updated packages and which CVEs they address |
| 11:21.03 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.09 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.17 | ramers | *sur le mouvement |
| 11:21.23 | jmcnaught | Gyndawyr: if you use regular Gnome (w/o Openbox) you can install the "gnome-tweak-tool" and enable icons on the desktop including network servers |
| 11:21.24 | ramers | l'aire en dessous |
| 11:21.29 | lurtz_ | ramers: /join #debian-fr |
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| 11:21.49 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.55 | ramers | et revenir au micro |
| 11:22.07 | blahdeblah | ramers: /join #debian-fr |
| 11:22.08 | Gyndawyr | jmcnaught: I know - but if I decide to run with LXDE then I end up with two sets of icons for everything |
| 11:22.12 | jmcnaught | ramers is not asking debian questions, he's rambling in broken french, which is why he was muted earlier (and resumed immediately after being unmuted) |
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| 11:22.23 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.26 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.32 | ramers | le cyclistes |
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| 11:22.44 | Charlie | Again? |
| 11:22.44 | zwalker | WTF?!! |
| 11:22.49 | Charlie | !fr |
| 11:22.49 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 11:23.09 | ramers | okai les autres |
| 11:23.17 | lurtz_ | ramers: personne ici ne parle français, /join #debian-fr pour les utilisateurs francophones |
| 11:23.21 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.22 | peetaur2 | just make everyone an op and he'll get shot faster |
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| 11:23.29 | blahdeblah | peetaur2++ |
| 11:23.31 | Gyndawyr | making my own shortcuts has worked for everything except the network shortcut and the trashcan shortcut |
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| 11:23.42 | sharky | peetaur2, :D |
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| 11:24.08 | deepblue | what is the epub reader available? |
| 11:24.16 | ramers | suivez le . |
| 11:24.22 | ramers | enfile indiene |
| 11:24.36 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:25.15 | ramers | vous connaissez la route |
| 11:25.19 | ramers | bien entendu |
| 11:25.25 | lurtz_ | ffs :D |
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| 11:25.54 | jmcnaught | lurtz_: he was doing this earlier before he got muted. he doesn't want help, he's just here to bother (or possibly a bot?) |
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| 11:26.14 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.15 | lurtz_ | aha okey, where is the op when they are needed? :o |
| 11:26.17 | sharky | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.23 | ramers | crédit lyonais |
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| 11:26.49 | ramers | ont discutes pas vraiment |
| 11:26.56 | Walex2 | sharky: I think I am myself a bot, but I haven't evolved enough self-awareness to be sure. :-) |
| 11:27.06 | jmcnaught | lurtz_: i tattled on him last time, but you can do "!ops <complaint>" to get dpkg to notify the ops |
| 11:27.27 | ramers | le tour de françe |
| 11:27.34 | sharky | Walex2, at least you write in english |
| 11:27.36 | ramers | à savoir plein de gens s'en fiches |
| 11:27.46 | ramers | sauf ceux qui ont fait la guerre |
| 11:27.58 | lurtz_ | !ops ramers speaking french only, possible bot |
| 11:27.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: lurtz_ complains about: ramers speaking french only, possible bot |
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| 11:28.26 | centrx | !fr |
| 11:28.26 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 11:28.36 | ryonaloli | >le tour de france |
| 11:28.45 | ryonaloli | i doubt he's really french. sounds like a bot with that line |
| 11:28.55 | jmcnaught | or drunk? |
| 11:29.02 | sharky | hahaha |
| 11:29.18 | n13z | !es |
| 11:29.18 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 11:29.32 | n13z | Not so bad. |
| 11:29.37 | Charlie | Could be a dialect that looks like french |
| 11:29.45 | ksk | hey. how was that lsof option again to see uses of old/updated libraries? |
| 11:29.55 | Charlie | He was si si-ing away earlier, I thought si was spanish or something |
| 11:29.55 | ramers | ça va vite leur donner pas d'eau |
| 11:30.08 | ramers | en province les gens savent se tenir |
| 11:30.09 | Charlie | That does look like french though |
| 11:30.10 | ksk | (i need to restart because of the openssl update) |
| 11:30.14 | bazhang | its french from google translate |
| 11:30.30 | Charlie | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.45 | bazhang | ramers, take it elsewhere |
| 11:30.46 | lurtz_ | bless that command |
| 11:31.04 | ryonaloli | i dunno why you'd ignore though. you may miss fun things |
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| 11:31.15 | lurtz_ | dont speak french so it's helpless |
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| 11:31.16 | ramers | dire un phrase la bas |
| 11:31.19 | lurtz_ | cba translate it all |
| 11:31.24 | Charlie | People do get annoyed sometimes ryonaloli |
| 11:31.26 | ramers | et mots entier est plus loin |
| 11:31.35 | Gyndawyr | how do I ask dpkg about things? |
| 11:31.42 | Gyndawyr | It says If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> |
| 11:32.27 | nkuttler | Gyndawyr: /msg dpkg keyword |
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| 11:32.41 | nkuttler | Gyndawyr: e.g. /msg dpkg deb-src sid |
| 11:32.43 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.46 | ramers | en faite |
| 11:33.06 | nkuttler | ramers: en anglais, et seulement debian |
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| 11:33.13 | ramers | amtrong est est un tres bon ciclystes qui à pas besoin de sa justes un peu . |
| 11:33.14 | nkuttler | !ops ramers ot french |
| 11:33.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: ramers ot french |
| 11:33.52 | ramers | amstrong est un tres bon ciclyste avec son équipe le suivre |
| 11:33.57 | jmcnaught | bazhang: i don't think google translate would have so many spelling mistakes |
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| 11:33.59 | ramers | crédit lyonnais |
| 11:34.04 | ryonaloli | finally |
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| 11:34.16 | nkuttler | ramers: /help ignore, and please don't add to the noise |
| 11:34.21 | nkuttler | ryonaloli: ^^ |
| 11:34.53 | Charlie | Yeah, just ignore him, this is like the 5th time he's been kicked off today |
| 11:35.01 | lurtz_ | what is +q? quiet? |
| 11:35.04 | blahdeblah | Sounds like a bot to me |
| 11:35.09 | ksk | hey. how was that lsof option again to see uses of old/updated libraries? (to services i need to restart because of the openssl udpate) |
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| 11:35.19 | nkuttler | lurtz_: yes |
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| 11:35.32 | lurtz_ | aha ok :) |
| 11:35.34 | lurtz_ | nice mode |
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| 11:36.29 | topi` | did anyone notice that in sid, the basic python packages are in an inconsistent state? |
| 11:36.40 | Gyndawyr | blegh my sources.list file is a mess. Can somebody make sense of what all this stuff is? http://pastebin.com/L8L2f1r7 |
| 11:36.47 | nkuttler | topi`: welcome to unstable. testing/sid support is in #debian-next on oftc |
| 11:36.51 | topi` | after installing python-pip (pretty much the obligatory py package), importing pip gives: |
| 11:36.55 | Charlie | topi`: #debian-next |
| 11:36.55 | topi` | ImportError: cannot import name IncompleteRead |
| 11:37.00 | topi` | ok |
| 11:37.19 | nkuttler | Gyndawyr: what's the problem with that? |
| 11:37.32 | nkuttler | !tell Gyndawyr about sources.list |
| 11:37.32 | Gyndawyr | Do I even need all of these sources? |
| 11:37.34 | topi` | hah, the same issue hit Ubuntu 14.04 as well :D |
| 11:37.40 | nkuttler | Gyndawyr: you don't need the sid src |
| 11:37.54 | nkuttler | Gyndawyr: neither the backports, though those are nice to have. like the sid src.. |
| 11:38.05 | jmcnaught | nkuttler: i think he's trying to follow SSB instructions |
| 11:38.38 | nkuttler | Gyndawyr: are you trying to backport something? |
| 11:38.58 | Gyndawyr | I want the latest Rhythmbox |
| 11:39.13 | nkuttler | Gyndawyr: so what's your problem? the sources.list looks fine to me |
| 11:39.21 | nkuttler | ,v rhythmbox |
| 11:39.23 | judd | Package: rhythmbox on i386 -- squeeze: 0.12.8-3; wheezy: 2.97-2.1; jessie: 3.0.3-1+b1; sid: 3.0.3-1+b1 |
| 11:39.43 | nkuttler | Gyndawyr: that's some gnome app, isn't? not going to happen on wheezy as you also need new gtk and stuff |
| 11:39.56 | Gyndawyr | ohh ffs :( |
| 11:40.20 | ryonaloli | v/w 356 |
| 11:40.27 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport rhythmbox |
| 11:40.30 | Gyndawyr | Well then can I set the backport sources to lower priority or something so I don't end up downloading unstable stuff? |
| 11:40.32 | judd | Backporting package rhythmbox in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgtk-3-dev (>= 3.6.0), libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.34.0), libsecret-1-dev, libdmapsharing-3.0-dev (>= 2.9.19), libgrilo-0.2-dev (>= 0.2.0). |
| 11:40.52 | nkuttler | Gyndawyr: it can't be done |
| 11:40.54 | Gyndawyr | Or I could just delete them... I've got no other plans to use them now |
| 11:41.16 | Gyndawyr | thanks for the help nkuttler. Saved me some work there... bloody hell |
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| 11:42.44 | Gyndawyr | How do you guys back up your install of debian? |
| 11:43.02 | nkuttler | Gyndawyr: i use backuppc. i hear bacula is very popular |
| 11:43.17 | centrx | I print my home directory out on paper and bury it |
| 11:43.18 | Gyndawyr | ohh yeah I remember looking at bacula ages ago |
| 11:43.29 | Gyndawyr | I remember the name because it sounds like the word for "bony penis" |
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| 11:43.50 | Charlie | wut.jpg |
| 11:43.54 | nkuttler | Gyndawyr: are you looking for a kickban or what? |
| 11:43.55 | Gyndawyr | although that's not why I was looking at it I should clarify |
| 11:44.27 | Gyndawyr | Google "baculum". Learn biology. |
| 11:44.47 | nkuttler | what are you, like 12? |
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| 11:45.18 | Gyndawyr | No. I'm a biologist huehuehuehue |
| 11:45.36 | Charlie | points at Gyndawyr, and then points at ramers. |
| 11:45.59 | Gyndawyr | A biologist who dropped out of college, but I dunno... "A failed scientist" is probably a more fitting description |
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| 11:46.09 | nkuttler | !tell Gyndawyr about ot |
| 11:46.17 | Gyndawyr | Sorry |
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| 11:47.03 | Gyndawyr | I have one more question and that is how do I get the network and trashcan shortcuts on my desktop without using the GNOME desktop tool to make some? |
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| 11:47.24 | Gyndawyr | Because if I've got LXDE shortcuts on there, I end up with two trashcans, two home folders, two computers and so on... |
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| 11:52.48 | jmcnaught | Gyndawyr: you need to put on your 3D glasses ;) Maybe the way to do it is to make a .desktop file that launches Nautilus with the URL for trash or network? |
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| 11:53.09 | skribblezatcha | good morning. |
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| 11:54.27 | jmcnaught | Gyndawyr: "nautilus trash:///" for example |
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| 11:56.06 | jmcnaught | Gyndawyr: also for backups i use duply |
| 11:58.49 | level7 | hey guys, I know it's offtopic but I am gathering info regarding a new laptop running Linux/BSD... not sure if DELL or Lenovo... advices? :) |
| 11:59.21 | Walex2 | level7: for Debian 7 usually slightly older models work better. |
| 11:59.35 | level7 | :) |
| 11:59.44 | Walex2 | level7: the right channel is #hardware and give more details. |
| 12:00.33 | Walex2 | level7: but the 7/Wheezy kernel packages contains a lot of driver updates and entirely new drivers backported. |
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| 12:00.56 | Gyndawyr | level7: Why those two brands in particular? |
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| 12:01.45 | level7 | any suggestion is welcome :) |
| 12:01.51 | Walex2 | level7: they are the favourite "business" brands. I also like Toshiba, Samsung and some ASUS/ACER |
| 12:01.55 | Gyndawyr | Toshiba Satellite or IBM Thinkpad |
| 12:01.57 | Walex2 | level7: ##hardware |
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| 12:33.28 | sirEgghead | I am not having sound from my web browsers. I use Chrome by default. Audio from other applications work fine. I'm really not great with audio on linux. |
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| 12:37.43 | gdm85 | which package installs /etc/ssl/certs ? |
| 12:38.22 | gdm85 | ah, found it. ca-certificates, obviously |
| 12:40.01 | Pinchiukas | Do I have to modify something like adding sources for Debian 6 to get updates? I haven't gotten any in a while... |
| 12:40.12 | peetaur2 | gdm85: dpkg --search /etc/ssl/certs |
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| 12:40.30 | Charlie | Pinchiukas: That's because it's only going to get security updates |
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| 12:41.39 | Pinchiukas | Charlie: I havent' gotten the latest openssl update. |
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| 12:42.13 | Charlie | That's awkward |
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| 12:44.30 | Pinchiukas | I remember something about getting an email about squeeze lts repo or something... |
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| 12:44.45 | Pinchiukas | So now I'm wondering if I was supposed to do anything... |
| 12:45.31 | Charlie | https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Development this? |
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| 12:47.25 | Pinchiukas | Charlie: yes. |
| 12:47.45 | Pinchiukas | I'm not sure what it's for though. |
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| 12:48.04 | Charlie | Hm, I was under the assumption that would still work through the normal repos. I don't see the point in additional repos for updates? |
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| 12:49.22 | Pinchiukas | Me either. |
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| 12:49.46 | Pinchiukas | My last update was: 2014-05-19 01:45:00 tzdata |
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| 12:50.55 | Pinchiukas | https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2938 |
| 12:51.09 | Pinchiukas | It appears I do have to enable repos to continue to get updates... |
| 12:51.18 | abrotman | yes |
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| 12:52.11 | Pinchiukas | The link https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Development#Add_squeeze-lts_to_your_sources.list is broken though. :) |
| 12:52.21 | srged | how do I change the charset of my system |
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| 12:52.30 | nerdgz | hello i have some troubles with debian on kernel 3.14 and my dell usb keyboard it does not get detected after grub |
| 12:52.31 | Charlie | Oh my bad, I didn't check that Pinchiukas |
| 12:52.37 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Pinchiukas about squeeze-lts |
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| 12:54.37 | Pinchiukas | I guess that means I should really look into upgrading? |
| 12:54.50 | abrotman | why? LTS exists? |
| 12:54.56 | abrotman | it's not for all packages, but it's there |
| 12:55.02 | Charlie | You should start planning atleast. |
| 12:55.12 | abrotman | should have started planning a year ago .. |
| 12:55.19 | Pinchiukas | How do I know if I'm getting updates for all packages I'm using? |
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| 12:55.52 | Pinchiukas | I was hoping the support lifetime was longer. :( |
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| 12:56.23 | Brigo | Pinchiukas, it is a test, things would change |
| 12:56.55 | Charlie | Is this a production machine you're talking about and you still haven't started *planning*? |
| 12:57.03 | Charlie | Or just a random box lying around? |
| 12:57.12 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: it was announced what the normal support would be |
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| 13:02.22 | srged | I have no sound on my debian can someone help me out? |
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| 13:04.49 | Pinchiukas | Brigo: what is a test? |
| 13:06.04 | Pinchiukas | Charlie: I saw that the support is still available so I postponed upgrading as it's cumbersome in my situation. Now I see that not everything is supported. I don't even know what. |
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| 13:08.17 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: you should have been planning, up until a few months ago, Squeeze support was going to end around now. You could have started planning long before that. |
| 13:08.33 | jelly | Pinchiukas: read https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using linked from https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ |
| 13:08.57 | jelly | there's a package and a tool telling you if you have any unsupported packages installed |
| 13:09.48 | jelly | !lts |
| 13:09.48 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:09.57 | themill | indeed, as per the announcement, you'd look at the debian-security-support package. |
| 13:10.05 | jelly | Pinchiukas: that's the «check-support-status» thing |
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| 13:23.38 | hefest | any idea why there is no sublime text editor package for debian? probably licensing, no? |
| 13:24.19 | formorer | cause its non-free. the author has packages. |
| 13:24.26 | jelly | hefest: it's not free software as defined by DFSG |
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| 13:25.35 | hefest | hmm, thats crap. didn't pay attention to it. |
| 13:26.17 | hefest | im thinking of going for some beefier text editor python development |
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| 13:30.15 | proby | Hello , is there a ways to make sudo reply faster if a login is invalid ? |
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| 13:31.56 | fleetfox | Hello. |
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| 13:32.58 | proby | fleetfox , hello |
| 13:33.04 | fleetfox | I think all php5 packages have bug. |
| 13:33.12 | fleetfox | php -r '$a = function() use (&$a) { $a(); }; $a();' |
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| 13:33.35 | fleetfox | A while ago someone on ##php told me this got resolved ages ago |
| 13:33.50 | abrotman | fleetfox: ask them for a bug number in their tracker, file a bug with Debian |
| 13:33.52 | srged | alsactl: init:1743: No soundcards found... |
| 13:34.13 | srged | why does it tell me no soundcard found? |
| 13:34.14 | fleetfox | abrotman: why do patched get ommited? |
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| 13:34.29 | proby | srged , maybe its module isn't loaded ? |
| 13:34.39 | srged | proby: what to do now? |
| 13:34.45 | abrotman | fleetfox: You'd have to ask the maintainers, hence filing a bug |
| 13:34.54 | proby | srged , you can submit lspci output in pastebin |
| 13:35.11 | fleetfox | Okay, thanks. I may need some help with reporting if find the ticket. |
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| 13:35.45 | srged | proby: http://paste.debian.net/103733 |
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| 13:36.49 | petn-randall | fleetfox: Which version of Debian are you running, and which version of PHP is this? |
| 13:37.41 | abrotman | srged: and what is 'uname -a' ? |
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| 13:37.57 | srged | abrotman: Linux linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u1 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:38.06 | abrotman | dpkg: tell srged about bpo kernel |
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| 13:40.16 | fleetfox | [4~[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[4~[C[Cpetn-randall: i can reproduce with PHP 5.6.0beta3 (cli) (built: May 28 2014 12:10:50), PHP 5.5.8-2 (cli) (built: Jan 12 2014 09:08:18), PHP 5.4.4-14+deb7u10 (cli) (built: May 30 2014 09:58:21) PHP 5.4.4-14+deb7u10 (cli) (built: May 30 2014 09:58:21) |
| 13:40.31 | fleetfox | sorry for grabage |
| 13:40.56 | Nach0z | the balls was all that crap |
| 13:41.33 | Pinchiukas | Still it seems that Debian has rather a short support time. |
| 13:41.55 | srged | abrotman: so I add deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main to my sources.list --- right? |
| 13:42.24 | sirEgghead | I submitted a question about sound over an hour ago. Is there anyone available to give me a hand? |
| 13:43.15 | Charlie | Pinchiukas: usually testing with newer releases is as simple as changing sources.list. s%/squeeze/stable |
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| 13:43.58 | srged | abrotman: I updated my list and here is how it looks now http://paste.debian.net/103736 |
| 13:44.01 | petn-randall | fleetfox: I assume you're running Debian Wheezy then? |
| 13:44.08 | srged | can u confirm that everything looks ok? |
| 13:44.18 | themill | Pinchiukas: it's a volunteer effort. If you longer than three years, you can do something about that yourself :) |
| 13:45.03 | Charlie | I have an old-stable box lying around but that has a backported kernel and needs to be up 24/7. I can't be arsed taking downtime right now, but I have tested that my scripts work fine with Wheezy. |
| 13:45.12 | Pinchiukas | themill: no I can't. How many people do you know that can singlehandedly extend support of Debian? I'm definitely not one of them. |
| 13:45.28 | themill | Pinchiukas: it's not singlehanded, that's the point. |
| 13:45.57 | petn-randall | Pinchiukas: If you gather enough people that have interest in it, it'll work. I've heard the Debian LTS people still need a helping hand. |
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| 13:46.04 | fleetfox | petn-randall: happens on wheezy and jessie |
| 13:46.05 | Charlie | Thanks for bringing this up though, I had no idea I needed a separate repo for LTS updates. |
| 13:46.39 | Pinchiukas | I'm not sure I can be of any help. And I'm not about to rally sysadmins and programmers to extend support because of a single server I own. |
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| 13:47.29 | abrotman | srged: follow the instructions |
| 13:47.47 | tugrik | sirEgghead: have you tried googling for the problem ( no pun intended, but it sounds familiar ) or restarting pulseaudio? |
| 13:47.53 | abrotman | Charlie: that is the wrong way to do it .. |
| 13:48.00 | sirEgghead | tugrik, absolutely. |
| 13:48.08 | Charlie | abrotman: I know |
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| 13:48.34 | abrotman | Charlie: using 'stable' will likely lead to difficulty later |
| 13:48.45 | Charlie | Oh |
| 13:48.48 | Charlie | Why's that? |
| 13:49.03 | tugrik | sirEgghead: failing that try "lsof -n | grep snd" and see if a process has given itself exclusive access to sound |
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| 13:50.35 | sirEgghead | tugrik, http://paste.debian.net/103738/ |
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| 13:51.15 | fleetfox | I can't find the ticket, can i report it without it? I have a reliable way to reproduce. |
| 13:51.58 | jmcnaught | Charlie: if you have "stable" in your sources instead of "wheezy" for example, when Jessie gets released as stable the next apt-get upgrade you do will start the upgrade to Jessie (because "stable" will be the alias for "jessie" at that point) |
| 13:52.01 | themill | fleetfox: precisely what problem are you experiencing? |
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| 13:52.43 | tugrik | sirEgghead: I don't *think* pulseaudio and alsa* stuff should be accesing /dev/snd/*, try looking that up in relation to Chrome |
| 13:52.56 | fleetfox | themill: do you have a php5 installation? try running php -r '$a = function() use (&$a) { $a(); }; $a();' |
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| 13:53.09 | srged | bill gates should aquire debian and make it all automated and simplified |
| 13:53.16 | themill | fleetfox: that doesn't answer my question |
| 13:53.24 | fleetfox | It results in segmetnation fault or lock up. It doesn't happen with official distribution |
| 13:53.27 | tugrik | or restart pulseaudio again, most sound problems appear to be solved by running "pulseaudio -k ; pulseaudio" in a local user's terminal |
| 13:53.31 | abrotman | srged: Perhaps you should use Windows, it's made for non-technical people. |
| 13:53.40 | sirEgghead | tugrik, I'm sorry, but I really am an idiot when it comes to audio related stuff. I know enough about systems outside of that. So I truly am not following. |
| 13:53.40 | fleetfox | themill: there is a bug in php5 pacakage |
| 13:53.42 | tugrik | abrotman: zing |
| 13:53.47 | themill | fleetfox: precisely what problem are you experiencing? |
| 13:54.03 | fleetfox | segmentation fault, where error message should appear |
| 13:54.05 | abrotman | fleetfox: use a pastebin to show us the problem |
| 13:54.06 | tugrik | sirEgghead: sound on Linux is traditionally difficult, don't worry about it ;) |
| 13:54.11 | abrotman | fleetfox: or find the bug in the PHP bugtraaq |
| 13:54.48 | tugrik | sirEgghead: try "pulseaudio -k; sleep 5; pulseauido" in a terminal - and see if that helps |
| 13:54.51 | themill | that php code *should* cause a crash. It's no surprise that it does. |
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| 13:55.17 | Charlie | jmcnaught: Yes I realize that, I meant for testing on a box that's on old stable. |
| 13:55.42 | sirEgghead | tugrik, it killed my audio, but after the sleep, i got "Daemon already running". Should I kill it? |
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| 13:57.01 | tugrik | yes |
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| 13:57.58 | fleetfox | abrotman, themill: https://dpaste.de/yvAu/raw |
| 13:58.11 | tugrik | I *used* to solve my pulseaudio problem that way, kill the daemon, and then just run "pulseaudio" in a terminal window as the local user; not ideal I know, but it worked ;) |
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| 13:59.08 | sirEgghead | tugrik, ok, when I killed the process, a new process started. I restarted Spotify. The song is "playing" but I hear no audio. I checked my phonon audio control and under "sound and video configuration" for "device preferences", I am not seeing my sound cards any longer. I only see "PulseAudio Sound Server". Do I have to adjust something within pulse now? |
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| 13:59.39 | themill | dpkg: tell fleetfox about reportbug |
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| 14:00.08 | tugrik | sirEgghead: I can only suggest "try it", you've nothing to lose |
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| 14:00.53 | Radon_3 | hi folks, I don't have a running debian installation atm, what is the kernel version of the latest debian wheezy (7.5)? what kernel version is it using? |
| 14:01.07 | tugrik | actually sirEgghead - does sound work in any of your browsers? |
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| 14:01.21 | sirEgghead | tugrik, I only say that because I do not know how to adjust anything in pulse. :) And here is a quick screenshot of what I was talking about. As you can see, my sound cards are listed properly as playback devices. http://i.imgur.com/7pCUrqi.png |
| 14:01.31 | sirEgghead | tugrik, no, it has not at all. |
| 14:01.32 | srged | aboman: I am in safe mode now. I need to undo what I did |
| 14:01.50 | sirEgghead | tugrik, and now I am not even getting sound from Spotify. Makes for a sad day at work D: |
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| 14:02.00 | srged | can u ask dpkg to msg me the instructions again? |
| 14:02.13 | tugrik | I don't know much about how sound works either, and I'm not even in front of a debian box - the main thing I'm bringing to the conversation is empathy ;) |
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| 14:02.43 | Radon_3 | anyone? |
| 14:02.51 | tugrik | is "pulsesound-alsa" installed? have you tried running "alsamixer" in a terminal window and checked volume levels? |
| 14:03.11 | tremon | ,kernels |
| 14:03.12 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.15-rc8-686-pae (3.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.5-1); jessie: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.4-1); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.4-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.54-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 14:03.13 | sirEgghead | tugrik, I have checked alsamixer. Let me check on that package |
| 14:03.18 | Radon_3 | dpkg: tell Radon_3 about kernel |
| 14:03.27 | fleetfox | bot said i can report on the web, but i don't see the to form or report form on that page |
| 14:03.45 | srged | dpkg: tell srged about kernel |
| 14:03.54 | jmcnaught | sirEgghead: if audio works in all other programs but not in your browser, it's quite possibly a bug with Flash (which is closed source and therefore impossible for Debian to fix). If you restart your login session you'll probably restore audio again.. the reason you have no sound now is probably because you killed pulseaudio |
| 14:04.18 | jmcnaught | srged: use /msg dpkg <keyword> |
| 14:04.22 | sirEgghead | tugrik, E: Unable to locate package pulsesound-alsa |
| 14:04.51 | tugrik | yes jmcnaught; but won't "pulseaudio" in a terminal window restart it for the local user, and "pulseaudio --start" restart the daemon? |
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| 14:05.03 | sirEgghead | jmcnaught, is there a way to change which audio device is used by flash? There must be some sort of configuration. |
| 14:05.09 | srged | jmcnaught: it replied "failed" when i asked about kernel |
| 14:05.29 | tugrik | hmmm... sorry sirEgghead , I found something online about browsers not using pulseaudio... and that rang a bell, but my knowledge might be out of date |
| 14:05.43 | jmcnaught | srged: ask it something else then? my point is that you don't need to ask dpkg questions in the channel, use /msg dpkg |
| 14:05.56 | Radon_3 | thanks folks |
| 14:05.57 | sirEgghead | tugrik, no problem. It was worth a shot :) It isn't the end of the world. Just a convenience to have background audio at work. |
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| 14:06.18 | srged | jmcnaught: update kernel to jessie. i did it. now i want to undo |
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| 14:06.27 | abrotman | why would you have done htat? |
| 14:06.30 | abrotman | what is wrong with you? |
| 14:06.50 | flecha | Hi! How do I change the port used to connect to the BD? I am Debian, installed via apt, and changing /etc/phpmyadmin/config-db.php is not working |
| 14:07.02 | jmcnaught | sirEgghead: maybe something like that can be done. But if audio is working in other applications but not your browser, don't go killing pulseaudio :) I'm gonna do a quick look to see if i can find something that might help you |
| 14:07.17 | flecha | phpmyadmin* |
| 14:07.20 | sirEgghead | jmcnaught, thank you very much. :) |
| 14:07.24 | jmcnaught | srged: did you upgrade kernel to jessie or did you install kernel for backports? |
| 14:07.46 | srged | second one |
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| 14:07.52 | srged | I guess |
| 14:07.54 | tugrik | fair point jmcnaught... but all my personal notes on pulseaudio problems start with "kill pulseaudio" ;) |
| 14:07.58 | abrotman | srged: Don't guess. |
| 14:08.10 | srged | aboman: make dphg send me the same msg again pelase |
| 14:08.48 | abrotman | ... |
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| 14:08.53 | abrotman | srged: /msg dpkg foo |
| 14:08.56 | abrotman | you don't need my help |
| 14:09.25 | srged | abrotman: is not that |
| 14:09.57 | srged | abrotman: the one related to bacports |
| 14:10.47 | abrotman | would strongly urge srged to use a distro more targeted at inexperienced users. |
| 14:11.27 | level7 | abrotman: windows 8? :) |
| 14:11.35 | srged | abrotman: okay thats for the suggestion. can you make dpkg message me the same thing you made it msg me 15 minutes ago ? |
| 14:12.53 | abrotman | Why? |
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| 14:13.05 | abrotman | You've already installed the kernel, what's the problem now? |
| 14:13.14 | srged | abrotman: I want to do the same command to remove what it installed |
| 14:13.26 | srged | abrotman: I cant boot , Im in safe mode now |
| 14:14.03 | abrotman | How are you going to remove it from "safe" mode .. whatever that is |
| 14:14.14 | abrotman | srged: just pick the other kernel when you boot |
| 14:14.47 | srged | abrotman: do me a favor. make dpkg meg me again about backports |
| 14:14.51 | abrotman | ... |
| 14:14.57 | jmcnaught | sirEgghead: sorry the idea i had in mind seems to be already configured by default in Wheezy |
| 14:14.59 | abrotman | gives up |
| 14:15.00 | jelly | srged: did you mean that /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
| 14:15.10 | sirEgghead | jmcnaught, no problem at all. Thanks for trying. |
| 14:15.34 | srged | jelly: yeah man, this one. thanks. |
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| 14:16.00 | srged | abrotman: ure here to troll and show off. go away man if ure not into helping newbies. |
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| 14:17.27 | jelly | srged: we kind of expect people to do their own legwork, and read carefully |
| 14:17.31 | jmcnaught | srged: i think he's just frustrating because your responses are vague and you frequently ask us to repeat simple stuff like how to message the bots.. Maybe you should have a pen and paper beside the computer so you can take notes so you're not asking the same questions over and over |
| 14:17.32 | sirEgghead | srged, he is trying to help you. He's trying to tell you how to make dpkg message you on your own rather than him doing all the work for you. It's better to learn yourself than have someone hold your hand and do everything for you. |
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| 14:19.11 | jmcnaught | srged: we are all volunteers after all, and when someone is using up our attention for the same questions over and over, others end up getting neglected or don't even bother asking for help because it's too busy |
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| 14:20.08 | srged | Its my 3rd day on debian, I'm already overloaded. Now he suggested something, after which I couldnt boot no more. I am in safe mode now, only with one terminal at hand. and he stops being helpful and suggest me other distros and stuff. instead of baring with me |
| 14:20.30 | ompaul | srged: it's not his job. |
| 14:20.48 | jmcnaught | sirEgghead: incidently i was going to suggest configuring alsa to use pulseaudio as its default output sink, so that apps like Flash that are not pulseaudio aware get channeled (by alsa) to pulseaudio anyways... but it seems like wheezy is already configured to do that. |
| 14:20.49 | ompaul | srged: get the notepad before you go any further |
| 14:21.15 | srged | if u volunteer do it fully. dont give up after a newbie fucksup his kernel. alright? |
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| 14:22.03 | srged | all I asked was him to send me the same dpgs message. 1 second job. he decided to play with me and stoped being helpful, nowing i cant boot and im into safe mode |
| 14:22.30 | Metaleer | srged, no-one here is forced to help you, no-one is paid anything. |
| 14:22.30 | tugrik | jmcnaught: thanks for mentioning that, it does show my audio advice was far too old... |
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| 14:22.54 | nkuttler | srged: you should focus on your problem, not how it was not fixed |
| 14:22.55 | sirEgghead | srged, he isn't playing with you. He tried to teach you how to do it yourself rather than doing something simple for you over and over. You're just in here fussing and not learning. Exactly what is wrong with the world today. |
| 14:23.10 | ompaul | sirEgghead: lots |
| 14:23.11 | srged | Metaleer: if I help a newbie I do it fully. I would strat trolling him suggesting other distros for non technical ,,,, as he;s in safe mode |
| 14:23.19 | jmcnaught | tugrik: checkout /usr/share/alsa if you want to review the wheezy alsa config |
| 14:23.33 | ompaul | srged: at this point you have used the word troll several times |
| 14:23.35 | themill | srged: please focus on solving the problem at hand. It will be much more fun for everyone. |
| 14:23.41 | nkuttler | a good rtfm is all anybody should need |
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| 14:23.53 | tugrik | jmcnaught: no, it sound works then I don't even look at the files ;) |
| 14:23.55 | sirEgghead | jmcnaught, thank you for checking on that for me. I'll just live without the browser audio for now. I will restart my session in a bit and hopefully restore my other audio. :) |
| 14:23.56 | Metaleer | srged: "If I help a newbie I do it fully" -- that's what *you'd* do, maybe -- again, abrotman is not under any legal contract to help you to your satisfaction. It's more productive if you tried to solve your issue, rather than complaining about how you recieved help. |
| 14:23.58 | ompaul | nkuttler: never helped me I had to read the manual |
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| 14:24.04 | nkuttler | ompaul: oh snap |
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| 14:24.38 | tugrik | and jmcnaught - don't tell anyone, but I'm in front of Ubuntu right now, tend to use debian for silent servers |
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| 14:25.03 | jmcnaught | srged: when i first started using linux i reinstalled frequently and broke it and fixed it over and over.. keep practicing, take notes, read lots and you'll get it |
| 14:25.06 | srged | me. if I'd help a newbie. and he'd msg me desperately from safe mode saying he cant boot. i would bare with him and even give him extra attention !!! |
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| 14:25.19 | Metaleer | srged: Please, *focus* on your issue. |
| 14:25.26 | Metaleer | Rather than complaining about the support here. |
| 14:25.39 | srged | Metaleer: ure right man I was just pissed off by abrotman bad attutude :/ |
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| 14:25.47 | sirEgghead | srged, he did give you extra attention. If you want help, get back on task about what the issue is. Fussing about someone isn't how you fix your technical issues. |
| 14:26.06 | Jombola | [A[B[A[B/quit |
| 14:26.08 | themill | srged: please... people can't even find what it is you want help with amongst the rest of your complaining now. |
| 14:26.10 | srged | he was acting smart saying i need other distro for non tech ppl |
| 14:26.17 | Metaleer | ... |
| 14:26.22 | sirEgghead | srged, that's enough. |
| 14:26.38 | tugrik | what distribution were you using before debian srged ? |
| 14:27.00 | themill | srged: please take a walk around the block or go grab a coffee or something. Clear your head and then come back to this. We're getting nowhere here. |
| 14:27.14 | srged | win7. tugrik . im 3 days old on linux. |
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| 14:29.18 | sirEgghead | whew... |
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| 14:29.46 | tugrik | I'm ignoring joins and quits, I presume they've left... |
| 14:29.51 | sirEgghead | tugrik, yes |
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| 14:30.23 | tugrik | scrolls through /names slowly |
| 14:31.25 | tugrik | I'm impressed, the channel is a lot more polite than I expected... I thought "have you tried setting yourself on fire" to be one of the suggestions ;) |
| 14:31.42 | tugrik | and installing a new kernel three days into Linux... gutsy ;) |
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| 14:32.06 | sirEgghead | tugrik, lol I'm sure thoughts have crossed many of our minds. I would have kicked him long ago if I had access. :) |
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| 14:33.24 | ompaul | sirEgghead: no, you would have muted him |
| 14:33.45 | sirEgghead | ompaul, or that. |
| 14:34.14 | ompaul | hopes all the good boys and girls updated their openssl in the last 50 hours or so |
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| 14:46.34 | linuxuz3r | hi |
| 14:46.45 | linuxuz3r | how do i install nvidia drivers on wheezy |
| 14:46.57 | nkuttler | !tell linuxuz3r about nvidia dkms |
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| 14:47.39 | linuxuz3r | how do i get the default xorg.conf of nouvau |
| 14:47.45 | linuxuz3r | thanks nkuttler |
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| 15:00.10 | linuxuz3r | how do i get the default xorg.conf of nouvau |
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| 15:01.34 | jordanm | linuxuz3r: shouldn't need a xorg.conf for nouvau |
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| 15:07.27 | linuxuz3r | jordanm, hi my gdm is not in the correct resolution |
| 15:07.39 | linuxuz3r | my gnome-shell isnt working |
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| 15:18.33 | srged | I've installed a new kernel(wheezy-blackports), how do I remove it? |
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| 15:19.44 | mtn | srged: use synaptic, your package manager |
| 15:19.51 | Charlie | Reboot into your old kernel and sudo apt-get remove <backported kernel here> |
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| 15:20.39 | ompaul | srged: you do this, you boot the machine to one of the other kernels, you then look in /var/log/apt/history.log find the line and installed it and apt-get remove oldkernelnamegoeshere << write that down |
| 15:20.41 | srged | Charlie: yes I already booted into my old kernel. now how do I see the exact name of the other kernel |
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| 15:20.58 | srged | ok |
| 15:20.58 | ompaul | find the line "that" installed it |
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| 15:21.15 | Charlie | srged: dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
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| 15:21.19 | Charlie | I think |
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| 15:22.00 | woffs | srged: dpkg -l | awk '/linux-image.*bpo/{print$2}' |
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| 15:22.04 | woffs | :-) |
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| 15:22.50 | mtn | by now he could have already found it in synaptic :P |
| 15:22.58 | woffs | or even: dpkg -P `dpkg -l | awk '/linux-image.*bpo/{print$2}'` |
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| 15:23.06 | Doxin | is it normal for firefox to not exist in the testing repos? |
| 15:23.18 | Charlie | Search for iceweasel |
| 15:23.18 | srged | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.25 | srged | this one I want to remove. |
| 15:23.34 | Doxin | Charlie: that's not exactly the same thing now is it? |
| 15:23.38 | Charlie | apt-get remove linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae |
| 15:23.42 | Charlie | Yes it is Doxin |
| 15:23.49 | srged | Charlie: thx! |
| 15:23.52 | Doxin | Charlie: then why the differing name? |
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| 15:24.15 | Charlie | Doxin: Mozilla got aspbergers and yelled Copyright or something |
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| 15:24.22 | Doxin | wot |
| 15:24.22 | Charlie | Or something freedom something |
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| 15:24.47 | LeoNerd | Hi all. After latest reboot, neither my LDM login screen nor my XFCE desktop have any control of shutdown/restart/suspend/hibernate. The only option I get is to Log Out. Where might I look to work out what's broken and fix it? I used to be able to do all those things. |
| 15:24.48 | Doxin | I don't even like firefox, but chromium is crashing my everything it seems |
| 15:24.53 | Charlie | Firefox is free, the name isn't |
| 15:25.13 | LeoNerd | I expect it's some package that I've updated, as I track testing and haven't actually rebooted in a while |
| 15:25.20 | Charlie | Since Debian likes libre things, they got rid of the name and images and w/e was under Mozilla ownership. |
| 15:25.21 | ompaul | LeoNerd: what version of debian etc |
| 15:25.24 | srged | it says.. You may need to re-run your boot loader |
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| 15:25.38 | LeoNerd | ompaul: Ah; testing,.. updated as of.. er.. yesterday I think |
| 15:25.39 | srged | how to I re run boot loadeer? |
| 15:25.54 | Doxin | Charlie: I am saddened that they didn't call it "mozzarella filofax" |
| 15:25.55 | Charlie | srged: uname -a, what's the output |
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| 15:26.10 | srged | Linux linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u1 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:26.11 | mtn | srged: update-grub in a terminal |
| 15:26.24 | ompaul | as root |
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| 15:26.38 | peetaur2 | srged: bootcode is: grub2-install /dev/sd<diskhere> initrd is: update-initramfs -u and grub files are: update-grub |
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| 15:27.42 | srged | I just did. update-grub |
| 15:27.53 | srged | and its said "done" |
| 15:27.59 | srged | am I good to go ? |
| 15:28.01 | Doxin | Charlie: also no opera either? |
| 15:28.08 | Charlie | Well it's done then srged |
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| 15:28.15 | srged | Charlie: thnaks! |
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| 15:28.37 | srged | if linux said done. then its done. in linux we trust. |
| 15:28.53 | peetaur2 | "it" is done ... but is "it" all you needed? |
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| 15:29.24 | Charlie | Doxin: No, proprietary. |
| 15:29.30 | Doxin | I see |
| 15:29.32 | peetaur2 | the 3 steps I listed are the full thing needed when you copy a file system from one disk to another... can't think of anything else. But jsut the 1 step might not be enough, depending on what you did to require it. |
| 15:29.37 | Charlie | Pretty much Chromium anyways, just use that. |
| 15:29.38 | srged | peetaur2: look, I installed a new kernel, I want to remove it. this was my purpose. |
| 15:29.52 | Doxin | Charlie: just trying to open chromium kicks me back to the login screen |
| 15:30.01 | peetaur2 | k, then that is the right step to remove it from the menu |
| 15:30.09 | Charlie | Doxin: Firefox provides binaries for Linux |
| 15:30.20 | srged | peetaur2: so I removed and did update-grub. do I need to run anything else? |
| 15:30.26 | peetaur2 | if you also installed another kernel, the package should have done the update-initramfs step automatically, and step 1 is not required |
| 15:30.38 | Doxin | Charlie: I'd much rather use chromium or opera |
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| 15:30.43 | srged | yeah. Ima do a reboot and get back |
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| 15:32.04 | Charlie | https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/?platform=linux - chrome's here Doxin |
| 15:32.17 | Doxin | Charlie: again, it crashes horribly |
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| 15:32.41 | Charlie | hm, don't know why it'd do that |
| 15:32.43 | Charlie | http://www.opera.com/computer/linux |
| 15:32.46 | Charlie | Opera ^ |
| 15:32.53 | Doxin | hmm |
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| 15:33.53 | Charlie | Chromium - https://download-chromium.appspot.com/ |
| 15:34.15 | Charlie | Or try one of the older builds here in case they work https://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/chromium-browser-snapshots/index.html |
| 15:34.33 | LeoNerd | Anyone, any ideas on my lack of power control? |
| 15:34.52 | Charlie | You need more Iron in your diet? |
| 15:35.09 | LeoNerd | ;) |
| 15:35.29 | LeoNerd | More specifically though: This is a total black-box for me so far so I have no idea where I might want to look |
| 15:35.32 | Charlie | Amino Acid deficiency can also lead to tired out muscles |
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| 15:37.02 | Charlie | cat /sys/devices/cpu/power/control |
| 15:37.14 | Charlie | More things in there, you can make changes directly |
| 15:37.18 | LeoNerd | 'auto' |
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| 15:37.19 | LeoNerd | Hm? |
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| 15:37.41 | LeoNerd | I think you missed the question. I'm trying to work out why neither lightdm nor my XFCE desktop menu can shutdown/reboot/suspend any more. |
| 15:38.12 | LeoNerd | The only button I now have in XFCE is "Log out" - the others are all greyed out. The lightdm menu offers no power control. The only option I have is the hardware power switch. |
| 15:38.26 | n-st | how can i search for all directories that contain only a single file? i can't seem to find a find parameter that does that
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| 15:39.08 | Charlie | n-st: find . -type 'f' -printf '%h\n' | sort | uniq -c |
| 15:40.08 | Charlie | LeoNerd: Never seen this problem, so I'll go with the did you try restarting it way ;) |
| 15:40.13 | Spec | Is there a way to check the status of a package for security? Specifically, if/when debian will be releasing (rough estimate) packages of the patched version of OpenSSL? |
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| 15:40.37 | LeoNerd | Charlie: Restarting is exactly what broke it ;) All I can now do is reboot the machine physically. |
| 15:40.57 | LeoNerd | Charlie: I suspect some package upgrade has broken it; as I did the usual dist-upgrade yesterday, and rebooted it this morning. |
| 15:41.20 | LeoNerd | So possibly some package missing, or some config file needs updating, or who knows...? I have no idea where to start debugging it as I have zero knowlege of how all that lot works |
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| 15:42.10 | Charlie | LeoNerd: shutdown -r 0 to restart and shutdown -h 0 to .. well .. shutdown .. |
| 15:42.46 | LeoNerd | Charlie: Yesyes, I know -how- to do that myself. That doesn't solve the fact that the clicky-button doesn't work. I want the clicky-button to work again, and also to give me suspend control. |
| 15:43.00 | LeoNerd | Yesterday the clicky-button worked. Today it doesn't. Ergo, something has changed to break it. |
| 15:43.23 | Spec | clicky button? |
| 15:43.32 | LeoNerd | 16:37 <LeoNerd> I think you missed the question. I'm trying to work out why neither lightdm nor my XFCE desktop menu can shutdown/reboot/suspend any more. |
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| 15:44.39 | Spec | maybe your clicky button broke |
| 15:44.45 | Spec | :D |
| 15:44.50 | tugrik | LeoNerd: look at /etc/default/acpid and /etc/acpi and see if there's any .dpkg files? |
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| 15:45.27 | LeoNerd | No .dpkg-* files in /etc/acpi/, and /etc/default/acpid itself is a file not a directory |
| 15:45.40 | LeoNerd | which also has no .dpkg-* files |
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| 15:46.38 | Charlie | LeoNerd: did you change your sudoers recently? |
| 15:46.51 | LeoNerd | Not that I recall.. I could check |
| 15:46.55 | Charlie | I remember Shutdown etc being controlled through there |
| 15:47.04 | LeoNerd | -r--r----- 1 root root 669 Jan 30 2012 /etc/sudoers |
| 15:47.23 | Charlie | cat /etc/sudoers and pastebin somewhere |
| 15:47.32 | tugrik | LeoNerd: you say the options are greyed out? Can you see what those options call and trace the problem from there? |
| 15:47.41 | LeoNerd | "see what they call"? |
| 15:47.46 | LeoNerd | How do I see that? |
| 15:47.59 | Charlie | LeoNerd: I remember they used to have something like |
| 15:48.00 | LeoNerd | If I could click it I could strace what it was doing and wonder why it doesn't run. |
| 15:48.01 | Charlie | %users ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown -h now,/sbin/reboot |
| 15:48.24 | LeoNerd | I don't think this works via sudo. |
| 15:48.24 | Charlie | I don't know if they've started using suid/guid bits now or something so just guessing |
| 15:48.39 | LeoNerd | lightdm runs as root, and so has suspend/shutdown/restart control. |
| 15:48.56 | LeoNerd | I think there's some (DBus?-shaped) magic that lets the logged in user on the desktop poke that into running it |
| 15:49.10 | LeoNerd | My sudoers file is >2 years old, and I know reboot/etc.. worked last week. |
| 15:49.40 | LeoNerd | Some suggestion elsewhere that it might be policykit related |
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| 15:49.53 | tugrik | strace, sheesh, you're going "all in" there ;) |
| 15:50.02 | LeoNerd | That's my usual method of introspecting black boxes |
| 15:50.14 | Charlie | dbus? try "exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session startxfce4" |
| 15:51.00 | n-st | Charlie: thanks for the find command (though i needed uniq -u instead of -c) |
| 15:51.16 | Charlie | No worries n-st ;) |
| 15:51.28 | tugrik | I only know from experience of, say, fluxbox, that there's probably a ~/.xfce/menu file with "Shutdown - <filename of icon> - <path to shutdown command>", that <path to shutdown command> will be the first step in revealing what the problem is |
| 15:51.40 | tugrik | LeoNerd: can you still shutdown the system from the command line as a user? |
| 15:52.06 | LeoNerd | As a user? I doubt it as I don't think I was ever able to... |
| 15:52.12 | LeoNerd | As root almost certainly so |
| 15:52.12 | Charlie | I am pretty bad at this too, been a while since I used a display manager or a shutdown button :/ |
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| 15:52.56 | tugrik | exactly Charlie ; I learn unix in the nineties and I'm quite happy staying there thank you very much ;) |
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| 15:53.02 | LeoNerd | Currently all the buttons are greyed out which means XFCE /knows/ it can't do this. Yesterday they were active and clickable, and it knew it /could/ do it just fine |
| 15:53.07 | tharkun | Good $DATE I've got a wab file that the sender says it has all its contacts. How can I process it in windows? |
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| 15:53.18 | LeoNerd | I don't know the mechanism by which XFCE determines whether it can/can't do this |
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| 15:53.41 | tugrik | unix permissions on the command called from the menu I'd *guess* LeoNerd |
| 15:54.02 | LeoNerd | GAHhh |
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| 15:54.18 | LeoNerd | Does /anyone/ here actually know the thing that I am talking about? The power control dialog in XFCE? |
| 15:54.34 | LeoNerd | It's NOT JUST A MENU. It does not simply fork/exec some command string given to it. It is an active real piece of actual GTK code |
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| 15:54.52 | Charlie | LeoNerd: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7534496.html might help? |
| 15:55.05 | linuxuz3r | ok thanks guys |
| 15:55.22 | LeoNerd | Ah.. consolekit |
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| 15:56.27 | Charlie | sudo chmod +s /sbin/shutdown |
| 15:56.33 | Charlie | Plug internet off, hue. |
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| 15:58.13 | LeoNerd | Hrm.. not sure if that link looks very appropriate actually.. it's mostly talking about Gentoo build flags for the various components |
| 15:58.28 | LeoNerd | I'd imagine hopefully(!) that Debian has built these things correctly such that they /can/ work together |
| 15:58.48 | Charlie | Are you on stable? |
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| 15:59.21 | LeoNerd | testing. I did mention that at the beginning ;) |
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| 15:59.46 | Charlie | Ah, must have missed that, could be broke for all you know |
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| 16:00.31 | LeoNerd | Well it's possible, but before I go reportbug'ing I want to understand how it works and see if it's something I can fix locally first |
| 16:01.10 | LeoNerd | I'm feeling like this is more of a lightdm issue than an xfce issue, actually... |
| 16:01.12 | Charlie | #debian-next is where you might find some more help. People using Testing there. |
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| 16:01.43 | LeoNerd | Ah.. OK |
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| 16:02.04 | LeoNerd | Ah.. it's +i :( |
| 16:02.25 | Charlie | It's on OFTC.net |
| 16:02.46 | LeoNerd | Ah |
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| 16:07.17 | srged_ | I am having a hard time install sound on my debian |
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| 16:09.22 | sharky | srged_, maybe you need to see your sound configurations with $ alsamixer |
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| 16:09.50 | srged_ | sharky: cannot open mixer: No such device or address |
| 16:09.56 | F1skr | When you end up in such a situation: http://sprunge.us/JSZb is that when the mirrors aren't up to date or how would that happen? this is my source.list: http://sprunge.us/SQdA |
| 16:10.20 | sharky | srged_, it is a program |
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| 16:10.49 | srged_ | sharky: so u suggest installing alsamixer |
| 16:10.50 | srged_ | ? |
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| 16:11.06 | petn-randall | F1skr: Doesn't look like Debian stable to me. |
| 16:11.22 | LeoNerd | -installing- alsamixer won't magically make sound work, but it might be a useful debug tool to help work out why |
| 16:11.32 | sharky | srged_, you should already have it |
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| 16:11.45 | F1skr | petn-randall: oh ok I'll jump into debian-next |
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| 16:12.03 | srged_ | I dont have alsamixer but I will try installig and playing with it |
| 16:12.29 | F1skr | oh it's on oftc... |
| 16:12.51 | zykotick9 | srged_: additionally, you may also want to veryify, that your user is in the "audio" group |
| 16:13.41 | sharky | srged_, try it, hen you can test your sound with $ speaker-test -c 2 |
| 16:13.44 | srged_ | zykotick9: how do I verify if my user is in the audio group? |
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| 16:13.56 | zykotick9 | srged_: in a terminal, type "groups" |
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| 16:14.58 | srged_ | user cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner netdev bluetooth |
| 16:15.14 | srged_ | seems it is on the audio list already |
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| 16:15.50 | LeoNerd | Uhmm..? cannot open mixer: No such device or address <== surely this here is the problem? |
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| 16:16.39 | srged_ | huh? |
| 16:17.00 | LeoNerd | That was the error from alsamixer, that you posted, yes? |
| 16:17.10 | srged_ | yes LeoNerd |
| 16:17.33 | LeoNerd | Right. So that's clearly not a permissions error, so no amount of group checking is going to see to that |
| 16:17.48 | LeoNerd | Seems like the soundcard plain isn't recognised as a device |
| 16:17.57 | srged_ | LeoNerd: what do u suggest |
| 16:18.31 | zykotick9 | srged_: can you paste.debian.net "cat /proc/asound/cards" |
| 16:18.35 | LeoNerd | I'd start with lspci or similar to obtain the PCI IDs of the device in question, then look it up on alsa's supported devices char |
| 16:18.37 | LeoNerd | t |
| 16:19.25 | srged_ | zykotick9: cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory |
| 16:19.52 | srged_ | LeoNerd: 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 03) |
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| 16:21.08 | LeoNerd | No point telling /me/, go look it up. http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main |
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| 16:23.04 | srged_ | LeoNerd: oh man, it seems its not there |
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| 16:24.54 | zykotick9 | judd pciid 8086:284b |
| 16:24.55 | judd | [8086:284b] is '82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:284b and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 16:25.25 | LeoNerd | Well, there we are.. You could start with modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 16:26.36 | srged_ | judd: thanks! |
| 16:26.40 | srged_ | LeoNerd: I did modprobe snd-hda-intel |
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| 16:26.50 | srged_ | and nothing happene |
| 16:26.51 | srged_ | d |
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| 16:27.22 | LeoNerd | No, but there's a chance you'll now have the /proc/sound/... node mentioned above. Try that again |
| 16:28.05 | F1skr | Is it allowed to ask questions related to debian unstable here? |
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| 16:29.11 | srged_ | LeoNerd: u mean the speaker-test -c 2 ? |
| 16:29.39 | LeoNerd | .. no, I mean cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 16:29.45 | srged_ | ok |
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| 16:30.12 | srged_ | user@linux:~$ sudo cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 16:30.12 | srged_ | --- no soundcards --- |
| 16:30.26 | LeoNerd | Ah.. well, getting better then. ALSA itself is now loaded |
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| 16:30.46 | srged_ | :) |
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| 16:31.40 | xnc40924 | does anyone use /etc/hosts to block domains? |
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| 16:32.28 | srged_ | LeoNerd: and now? |
| 16:32.52 | LeoNerd | srged_: You may still be stuck that ALSA doesn't recognise your card |
| 16:33.08 | srged_ | what would u suggest |
| 16:33.27 | tugrik | sort of xnc40924 ; what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 16:34.26 | LeoNerd | I'd suggest searching ALSA for that PCI ID some more and see what happens |
| 16:34.33 | xnc40924 | tugrik: nothing, just curious. windows users seem to really like using hosts to block ads |
| 16:34.36 | srged_ | ok |
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| 16:35.11 | roboman2444 | im looking to transition from using slim as my login manager to startx |
| 16:35.17 | roboman2444 | how exactly do i go about that? |
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| 16:36.22 | xnc40924 | by disabling the slim service or uninstalling it completely |
| 16:36.31 | roboman2444 | thats it? |
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| 16:36.40 | xnc40924 | yes |
| 16:36.53 | roboman2444 | well i have one big concern though |
| 16:37.10 | roboman2444 | for some reason, a long time ago, some xinit file or something got messed up |
| 16:37.34 | roboman2444 | and now i have to manually press f1 in slim to select "lxde", or else the x server just restarts back to slim |
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| 16:37.59 | xnc40924 | i would recommend installing rcconf, then you can easily switch slim on and off |
| 16:38.17 | roboman2444 | hm |
| 16:38.23 | jhutchins | Is there a known problem with security.debian.org? I'm getting 404's for squeeze. |
| 16:39.14 | ompaul | there wasn't yesterday (wheezy upgrade for ssl) |
| 16:39.36 | ompaul | jhutchins: did they drop the repos cos nobody went for the LTS version thing |
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| 16:39.54 | xnc40924 | also that may be an issue in /etc/slim.conf |
| 16:40.02 | ompaul | jhutchins: originally it was due to fall on 31 May |
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| 16:41.05 | Amarande | wow, this is a sad day, when did this happen |
| 16:41.18 | Amarande | apparently MIT no longer hosts their Debian mirror for wheezy? |
| 16:41.37 | Amarande | (did they decide to turn their back entirely on open initiatives because of Swartz's abuses or something? :|) |
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| 16:42.10 | Amarande | I used to always use debian.lcs.mit.edu for my mirror of choice, had to pick a different one this time when I went to install debian on a vm |
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| 16:44.11 | ompaul | Amarande: specific mirrors are not part of the debian project, at a guess you could ask MIT admins why they are not there, they would have more idea than a random irc channel |
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| 17:08.14 | srged_ | user@linux:~$ aplay --list-devices |
| 17:08.14 | srged_ | aplay: device_list:252: no soundcards found... |
| 17:08.27 | srged_ | what does the above mean? |
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| 17:13.07 | Amarande | hm, weird. with debian I apparently have to set up a static ip on VMs |
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| 17:13.37 | Amarande | it accesses the network just fine through its win8.1 hyper-v host, but cannot seem to obtain an IP address via DHCP |
| 17:14.22 | jmcnaught | srged_: it means your sound card has not been detected or configured |
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| 17:15.15 | srged_ | i googled for: 8086:284b alsa.... and nothing looks promissing :/ |
| 17:15.42 | srged_ | 3 days already, soundless and frustrated :) |
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| 17:16.20 | srged_ | jmcnaught: any suggestion? |
| 17:16.49 | jmcnaught | srged_: it's strange because that device has been supported by linux kernel since 3.1 according to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:284b |
| 17:18.20 | LeoNerd | Woo \o/ After a full dist-upgrade, it seems my suspend/shutdown/reboot buttons are all working again. No idea what had broken it, but it's back now. |
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| 17:19.22 | jmcnaught | srged_: what happens if you do "modprobe snd-hda-intel" ? |
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| 17:21.38 | srged_ | jmcnaught: if i run modprobe snd-hda-intel nothing happens, it says nothing |
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| 17:22.46 | jmcnaught | srged_: after running the modprobe command, what is the output of "lsmod | grep snd" |
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| 17:23.39 | srged_ | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/103768 |
| 17:24.12 | jmcnaught | srged_: does aplay still complain about no soundcard? |
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| 17:24.40 | srged_ | jmcnaught: no |
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| 17:25.14 | jmcnaught | srged_: getting any sound yet? |
| 17:25.44 | Hazuki | i have a question about debian jessie (testing) but can't get into #debian-next as the topic requests |
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| 17:26.05 | srged_ | jmcnaught: no sound |
| 17:26.33 | jmcnaught | srged_: run alsamixer in terminal, see if you have channels muted |
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| 17:26.56 | jmcnaught | Hazuki: #debian-next is on irc.debian.org (not on freenode) |
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| 17:27.11 | srged_ | jmcnaught: ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_oss.so |
| 17:27.14 | srged_ | cannot open mixer: No such device or address |
| 17:27.26 | Hazuki | jmcnaught: thanks :) |
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| 17:28.46 | jmcnaught | srged_: yikes.. have you tried installing alsa related stuff that wasn't from apt-get/synaptic? |
| 17:29.26 | srged_ | jmcnaught: just installed alsa-base |
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| 17:29.49 | srged_ | but eysterday I also installed a bunch of pretty much everything alsa related. it didnt work |
| 17:29.59 | mjt | why people choose linux mint over debian? What they've added? (It is not a mint support question, and I really want to see opinion of debian people :) |
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| 17:31.05 | jmcnaught | srged_: well that is pretty strange. do you have i686 or amd64 kernel? |
| 17:31.17 | srged_ | jmcnaught: i686 |
| 17:31.22 | Amarande | mjt: it's kind of a best of both worlds thing ... Debian is the base of it all, of course. The root of the tree that gives everything its meaning :) |
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| 17:31.35 | Amarande | Then came Ubuntu, which made some improvements over Debian but also did some things that annoy people |
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| 17:31.50 | Amarande | Then came Mint, which kept the good things about Debian and Ubuntu and generally added good with little or no bad |
| 17:31.50 | sirEgghead | I didn't like Mint or Ubuntu. |
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| 17:32.18 | Amarande | (also, Mint seems a lot more cavalier with non-free software and media format patents than Debian dares to be, and that is useful in a practical desktop sense) |
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| 17:33.24 | jmcnaught | srged_: well you probably don't need the "alsa-oss" package. did you modify any alsa related files in /etc/ ? |
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| 17:33.42 | srged_ | jmcnaught: no i didnt modify |
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| 17:35.11 | jmcnaught | mjt: there's a perception that Mint is more user-friendly. The website also looks better designed and humans like to judge things based on looks. |
| 17:35.23 | sirEgghead | ^ |
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| 17:35.42 | mjt | that perception -- i've heard/seen it many times |
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| 17:35.55 | mjt | esp. with introduction of MATE |
| 17:35.58 | JyZyXEL | how do you completely prevent a module from loading in debian? |
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| 17:36.23 | Amarande | mjt: yeah, that's another thing |
| 17:36.31 | Amarande | pretty sure you have to take the plunge to jessie if you want MATE on Debian atm |
| 17:36.34 | mjt | JyZyXEL: it really depends on the module |
| 17:36.38 | Amarande | since it didn't make the cutoff for wheezy IIRC |
| 17:36.40 | JyZyXEL | mjt: sata_sil24 |
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| 17:36.48 | jmcnaught | srged_: can you remove the alsa-oss package? if it asks about removing other packages paste before hitting 'Y' |
| 17:36.53 | Amarande | and I don't like GNOME 3 |
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| 17:37.06 | Amarande | mind you, the only debian install I've got going right now doesn't even *use* X anyway, heh |
| 17:37.25 | srged_ | jmcnaught: sudo apt-get remove alsa-oss <<< correct ? |
| 17:37.26 | mjt | JyZyXEL: for that it's most likely sufficient to echo blocklist sata_sil24 >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf |
| 17:37.36 | JyZyXEL | mjt: it has to be local.conf? |
| 17:37.42 | Amarande | it's a VM, specially low-resource allocated, that I run simply so I can run an eggdrop bot for a community I belong to without having to set up and pay for hosting elsewhere |
| 17:37.45 | sirEgghead | I'm with you on Gnome3. Dislike it a lot. I'm actually on KDE right now though because I had some serious multi-monitor issues when I was on gnome. |
| 17:37.50 | jmcnaught | srged_: yes but if it wants to remove other stuff do a paste before answering yes |
| 17:37.53 | mjt | JyZyXEL: it has to be *.conf |
| 17:38.00 | JyZyXEL | mjt: well in that case i already tried it |
| 17:38.07 | JyZyXEL | mjt: the module gets loaded just the same |
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| 17:38.39 | JyZyXEL | mjt: can i somehow delete the module? |
| 17:38.50 | JyZyXEL | that would guarantee it does not get loaded by anything |
| 17:38.51 | mjt | it is most likely loaded by initramfs |
| 17:38.56 | mjt | being a storage device module |
| 17:38.58 | JyZyXEL | mjt: yes it is |
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| 17:39.02 | mjt | so you have to update-initramfs too |
| 17:39.07 | JyZyXEL | mjt: i did that too |
| 17:39.11 | linuxuz3r | anyone running yosemite |
| 17:39.24 | JyZyXEL | initramfs does not seem to care about blacklisted modules |
| 17:39.26 | JyZyXEL | it loads them anyways |
| 17:39.31 | mjt | it does |
| 17:39.41 | JyZyXEL | then why does it still load the module that i have blacklisted? |
| 17:39.57 | mjt | in order to answer that some debugging is necessary |
| 17:40.20 | JyZyXEL | mjt: on the mean time i need a workaround |
| 17:40.38 | srged_ | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/103769 |
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| 17:41.02 | srged_ | jmcnaught: should i apt-get autoremove ? |
| 17:41.24 | beardCaughtInFan | a dirty workaround would be to rename the module file to same_name.DISABLED |
| 17:41.24 | JyZyXEL | "It does not affect autoloading of modules by the kernel. This file is provided by the udev package." |
| 17:41.46 | JyZyXEL | mjt: how can i disable the module? |
| 17:41.56 | mjt | by blacklisting it |
| 17:42.01 | JyZyXEL | i mean REALLY disable it |
| 17:42.02 | mjt | i already answered that |
| 17:42.09 | JyZyXEL | so that it can NOT be loaded by ANYTHING |
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| 17:42.18 | mjt | .ignore JyZyXEL |
| 17:42.18 | mjt | er |
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| 17:43.10 | beardCaughtInFan | I just saw something a bit scary. -rw-r--r-- /swapfile I think either mkswap or swapon should do chmod 0600 if they are pointed at a file |
| 17:43.12 | JyZyXEL | can't i just mv /lib/modules/3.15.0-rc7/kernel/drivers/ata/sata_sil24.ko /lib/modules/3.15.0-rc7/kernel/drivers/ata/sata_sil24.ko.disabled |
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| 17:44.09 | mjt | if neither of them chmods a device, why should they do that for a file? |
| 17:44.33 | jmcnaught | srged_: looks like alsa-oss was not installed. Not sure why the ALSA library is trying to use it. I don't have alsa-oss installed on my computer. As for autoremove, you can if you want. Thos are mostly gnome related packages, if you recently removed Gnome from your computer then running autoremove will get rid of the left-overs |
| 17:45.37 | srged_ | jmcnaught: what do u suggest at this point |
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| 17:46.24 | beardCaughtInFan | @mjt well devices have sensible permissions by default. But someone creating a swapfile in a hurry could easily make it insecure |
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| 17:47.57 | mjt | beardCaughtInFan: #324852 at least ;) |
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| 17:48.34 | jmcnaught | srged_: well it's hard to tell what got you to this point. did you have sound ever at all in this debian install? You could try installing alsa-oss (since it wasn't there in the first place) and see if that solves the error, but I don't see why it should |
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| 17:48.44 | mjt | beardCaughtInFan: and also the mentioned #196857 |
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| 17:50.30 | srged_ | jmcnaught: I had sound while testing linux in vmware (vindows7 as host). now I installed debian full, its my first install and no never had sound at all |
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| 17:50.45 | jmcnaught | srged_: the most common reason for no sound on a fresh linux install in my experience is simply that the channels are all muted.. Maybe one of the things you tried simply made the problem worse? Can you paste the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards" ? |
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| 17:51.46 | srged_ | jmcnaught: |
| 17:51.47 | srged_ | user@linux:~$ sudo cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:51.48 | srged_ | --- no soundcards --- |
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| 17:51.51 | beardCaughtInFan | hehe 2003 thanks @mjt |
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| 17:52.38 | mjt | beardCaughtInFan: actually that bugreport doesn't tell us anything about your particular question, it is still related. I _guess_ swapon will warn you, but the warning will be lost in noize. |
| 17:53.05 | beardCaughtInFan | It warns, but only if I do swapon -v |
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| 17:54.36 | beardCaughtInFan | I haven't checked what it does during bootup, but yes it would be lost in noise there |
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| 17:55.10 | jmcnaught | srged_: well i don't know what's going on. Maybe consider booting the computer from a debian live cd, and checking to see if the sound card is detected in the live environment simply for troubleshooting purposes |
| 17:55.12 | F1skr | How does the one package of different archs depend on different versions of another package? e.g.: https://packages.debian.org/sid/samba-libs see libldb1 dependencies |
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| 17:56.14 | jmcnaught | srged_: if sound works in the live environment i would consider reinstalling from scratch. Also if your CPU is 64-bit I would probably install amd64 this time. |
| 17:56.16 | mjt | F1skr: it shows dependencies for different arches of the lib |
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| 17:56.26 | peterS | F1skr: most library dependencies are auto-generated at compile time. So the versions of other packages on the system where the compile is done, can affect the dependencies in your final package |
| 17:57.01 | mjt | F1skr: for example, m68k and sparc64 builds of samba-libs depends on libaio1 (of the same arch), but not on other arches. |
| 17:57.17 | mjt | F1skr: s/but not other arches/but not other builds/ |
| 17:57.25 | srged_ | jmcnaught: I just installed alsa-oss and it didnt work |
| 17:58.10 | jhutchins | F1skr: Different architectures are also updated at different times for sid as different people work on different systems. |
| 17:58.26 | peterS | F1skr: if the generated dependencies are out of date on one or more architectures and there's a desire to use newer libraries, we can request that the build daemons rebuild a package |
| 17:58.31 | mjt | srged_: it sounds like you don't have the right sound driver loaded/installed. alsa-oss and other alsa stuff are all userspace, it will work only when you have proper drivers (kernel space) |
| 17:58.35 | srged_ | I dont have a live CD all I have is a USB , but its 1GB , was too small to put debian desktop on it. its the standard debian and it has no GUI at all... so I cant chk the sounds from the live usb... |
| 17:58.50 | mjt | srged_: depending on the card, you may need firmware too |
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| 17:59.25 | Guest76172 | hi, I was to slow to enter my password after server reconnect, now I am banned on channel and can't change my loginname back, is there a way to achive that without disconnecting? |
| 17:59.48 | srged_ | mjt: i see. well. thank you guys for helping. i must go now. i'll return in a few hours and keep trying. life without a soundcard is impossible :) |
| 17:59.51 | mjt | srged_: what sound card do you have, to start with? (I assume your /proc/asound/cards is empty) |
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| 18:00.04 | mjt | heh |
| 18:00.15 | srged_ | mjt: i have 8086:284b |
| 18:00.16 | F1skr | My problem is that I can't install gnome in sid (i386) because of the libldb1 dependency samba-libs depend on <1:1.1.17-1 for the i386 arch while libldb1 is at 1:1.1.17-1... |
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| 18:01.04 | srged_ | signs off. thx and see you all... |
| 18:01.19 | mjt | F1skr: this has nothing to do with "inter-architectural" deps. It is all within your native architecture |
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| 18:02.17 | jhutchins | ,pciid 8086:284b |
| 18:02.18 | judd | [8086:284b] is '82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:284b and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 18:02.43 | mjt | F1skr: that's why samba on sid has been rebuilt against the new libldb1... |
| 18:02.53 | peterS | jhutchins: heh, ata_generic, eh? |
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| 18:03.19 | jhutchins | Yeah, hard to guess why it doesn't load. |
| 18:03.23 | peterS | I guess ata_generic must have a wildcard of some sort |
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| 18:03.34 | mjt | it has |
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| 18:03.40 | peterS | presumably matching on a PCI field _other_ than vendor:device, which judd doesn't know about |
| 18:03.42 | mjt | it is a last-resort driver |
| 18:03.45 | jhutchins | peterS: snd-hda-intel is the audio. |
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| 18:04.03 | peterS | yes I know. I'm just amused that judd picked up ata_generic as a possible handler for a sound chip |
| 18:04.20 | jhutchins | peterS: It's a multifunction chipset. |
| 18:04.41 | peterS | jhutchins: the chipset, sure. but the specific vendor:device seems to point to just the HD audio part |
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| 18:04.44 | jhutchins | peterS: Maybe the most common onboard sound. |
| 18:04.54 | jhutchins | peterS: Right. |
| 18:04.56 | F1skr | mjt: but it hasn't? |
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| 18:05.19 | F1skr | well not for my arch. |
| 18:05.20 | jhutchins | F1skr: Sid's like that. Sometimes you can't install something for weeks. |
| 18:05.44 | peterS | F1skr: you can always install libldb1 1:1.1.16-1 from jessie |
| 18:05.51 | mjt | F1skr: sid has 2:4.1.7+dfsg-2+b1 of samba-libs, -- that +b1 suffix means it has been bin-NMUed |
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| 18:06.57 | peterS | just put jessie in your sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install libldb1/jessie |
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| 18:07.28 | peterS | ...or just wait for the i386 build daemon to rebuild samba, as mjt has indicated |
| 18:07.34 | F1skr | peterS: so that I have both jessie and sid repos? |
| 18:07.42 | mjt | oh. it is i386. i have amd64 :) |
| 18:07.57 | F1skr | mjt: yeah that is my point :) |
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| 18:08.06 | mjt | yaah, it isn't ready yet for i386, being rebuilding |
| 18:08.07 | peterS | F1skr: yeah. it's a temporary situation. the i386 build daemon will presumably rebuild samba soon for the current libldb1. i386 is simply lagging behind the rest |
| 18:08.41 | peterS | according to rmadison, everyone except armel, armhf and i386 has done so already |
| 18:08.54 | mjt | and the build on the 3 failed |
| 18:09.25 | mjt | xml to man conversion errors |
| 18:09.34 | peterS | F1skr: ah, mjt is right again. see https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php?pkg=samba |
| 18:09.59 | mjt | so adding jessie repo will be a good temp solution |
| 18:10.55 | F1skr | I see, I assumed debian sid was samewhat more stable (I'm used to Archlinux) but the past two days I have set up a couple of debian vm's and ran into similar problems, is this normal or am I just unlucky? :) |
| 18:11.17 | mjt | testing is usually more stable than sid |
| 18:11.32 | mjt | do you know who Sid was in the toy story? :) |
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| 18:11.35 | mjt | !sid |
| 18:11.35 | dpkg | well, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 18:12.21 | peterS | F1skr: sid usually works pretty well. the issue here is that the samba package was supposed to be rebuilt for the new libldb1, but the build _failed_ on three architectures, for reasons I haven't looked into. usually when a build fails it fails on all architectures but not all issues are like that |
| 18:12.25 | F1skr | I expected the unstability to be in the packages not in the packaging :) |
| 18:12.45 | peterS | so whether the build failure is the fault of the samba package or some other incidental tool issue, I don't know |
| 18:12.45 | jhutchins | F1skr: Now you know. |
| 18:13.00 | peterS | but it's been tried 3 times on i386 so far and keeps failing |
| 18:13.40 | mjt | quite often it fails due to some other tool recently uploaded which were built for some arches but not the others |
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| 18:14.04 | peterS | F1skr: the other complicating factor is libldb1 itself, which forces a rather strict dependency on packages that use it: use exactly version X, not version X-1 or version X+1. most libraries are much more backward-compatible than that, so that this sort of issue just doesn't come up very often |
| 18:14.21 | F1skr | I see |
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| 18:15.09 | rhizome | hi all. is there a utility or other technique I can use to figure out what encoding a file is using? |
| 18:15.19 | peterS | the libldb1 dependency is auto-generated at build time, from information shipped with libldb1. so the choice to tell your apps "this library is compatible with version X, not X-1 or X+1", that choice lies with the libldb1 maintainer and presumably they have a good reason to declare this |
| 18:15.20 | beardCaughtInFan | Thanks @mjt, I will leave that swapfile issue to documentation and hardening tools |
| 18:15.23 | mjt | peterS: that usually indicates a usage bug actually, -- it is not strict dep, it is a << dep, and most often it results from using an internal library symbol which isn't supposed to be used to start with |
| 18:15.36 | beardCaughtInFan | rhizome: have you tried `file /path/to/file` ? |
| 18:16.04 | mjt | peterS: (O |
| 18:16.05 | rhizome | beardCaughtInFan: yes. it's a pdf and lists only the version |
| 18:16.07 | peterS | mjt: well it's not just <<, it's a pair of deps that together express "upstream version X" |
| 18:16.35 | jhutchins | rhizome: Encrypted PDF, like an ebook? |
| 18:16.38 | SynrG | rhizome: you didn't specify pdf. i had assumed you meant text and was going to suggest file, too |
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| 18:17.29 | beardCaughtInFan | rhizome: there is a commandline tool `pdfinfo` |
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| 18:18.27 | mjt | peterS: libldb1 has a right symbols file, so the deps comes from using some "good" symbols, - that will be a >> dep. And from using some "bad" symbols which shuoldn't be used, from there the << comes from. |
| 18:19.06 | F1skr | peterS: using jessie version of libldb1 works, will it update to the sid version when samba-libs has been build? |
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| 18:19.16 | peterS | ahh - interesting. I do find it interesting that the >> dep seems to track the current version, though, as opposed to just saying >= {some older version} like everyone else does |
| 18:19.39 | rhizome | jhutchins: nope, just a regular pdf that doesn't want to display in browser for some reason. |
| 18:20.08 | rhizome | SynrG: well, the complaint is utf8 so i assumed file format didn't matter so much |
| 18:20.12 | mjt | peterS: the separate <<$FUTURE dep does not come from a regular library usage |
| 18:20.54 | SynrG | beardCaughtInFan: which doesn't, so far as i can tell, display encoding. did you try it? i did. and checked the doc. |
| 18:21.07 | mjt | peterS: the >>$CURRENT _may_ come from an explicit specification in a control file |
| 18:21.54 | peterS | mjt: not in the samba control file, or it wouldn't get updated in the binnmu |
| 18:22.42 | peterS | thus I assume both the << and the >> come from the libldb1 shlibs / symbols file(s) |
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| 18:23.44 | mjt | fun |
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| 18:25.09 | SynrG | rhizome: dunno if 'the' encoding is relevant for pdf, since it could contain multiple fonts, each with their own encoding ... |
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| 18:25.21 | rhizome | ugh. kill me. |
| 18:25.33 | SynrG | rhizome: try evince blah.pdf |
| 18:25.36 | SynrG | look at 'properties' |
| 18:25.58 | SynrG | click 'fonts' |
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| 18:26.36 | peterS | mjt: as for samba using internal libldb1 symbols and thus picking up the more strict dependencies ... "I suspect most samba developers are already technically insane... Of course, since many of them are Australians, you can't tell." -- Linus Torvalds |
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| 18:26.53 | BackEndCoder | ok |
| 18:27.01 | mjt | heh |
| 18:27.01 | BackEndCoder | finally worked out how to mount remote shares |
| 18:27.15 | BackEndCoder | but how can i get my local 'steve' user to beable to see it and write ? |
| 18:27.34 | BackEndCoder | considdereing changes need to be saved as the remote user _oshi_dev |
| 18:27.47 | BackEndCoder | is there some group thing going on here ? |
| 18:27.52 | SynrG | rhizome: how about 'pdffonts' |
| 18:27.56 | BackEndCoder | and if so on what system |
| 18:28.08 | rhizome | SynrG: yeah, no encoding info, just "true type" and "embedded subset" for everything |
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| 18:28.49 | SynrG | huh. wtf is WinAnsi? |
| 18:29.02 | BackEndCoder | with the example mount -t cifs //ntserver/download -o username=vivek,password=myPassword /mnt/ntserver is there another flag that allows my local user 'steve' ?? |
| 18:29.03 | peterS | F1skr: regarding your upgrade question: libldb1 is eligible for upgrade to sid, just like any other package. But if you try 'apt-get upgrade' or similar, the tools may or may not be clever enough to figure out "oh no, don't upgrade that library yet or you'd have to uninstall samba-libs". This is why I use full-screen aptitude for such things usually, as I can look at its decisions and figure out on my own what actually makes sense for it to do |
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| 18:30.13 | rhizome | SynrG: pdffonts lists nothing. evince lists like 15 typefaces. thanks microsoft. |
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| 18:30.29 | SynrG | bluh |
| 18:30.34 | peterS | full-screen aptitude, and manually resolving the tricky upgrade / install / uninstall dependency decisions, takes some time to get used to. But for me at least, the time to figure all that stuff out was well worth it. |
| 18:31.06 | SynrG | rhizome: $ pdffonts downloads/dlj215.pdf | wc -l |
| 18:31.07 | SynrG | 163 |
| 18:31.12 | SynrG | rhizome: kind of a worst case :) |
| 18:31.27 | rhizome | to be fair, this is only one page. |
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| 18:31.47 | SynrG | (that's Linux Journal, if you non-subscribers didn't recognize the filename scheme) |
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| 18:33.32 | bitvijays | Hi ...I have a query regarding Encrypted LVM... I tried to install ELVM with a passphrase....first time the computer accepted my passphrase...next time I rebooted it it was not accepting "It was saying No key available for this paraphrase." Was I missing something? |
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| 18:35.28 | Mousey | no key available for this passphrase is an awkward way of saying "you typed it in wrong" |
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| 18:36.27 | bitvijays | Okies... |
| 18:36.41 | bitvijays | I would try again ... |
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| 18:41.47 | buckfast | Hello |
| 18:41.59 | buckfast | Can Linux not follow the symbolic links created in windows? |
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| 18:42.54 | buckfast | I did mount.cifs on a windows shared folder, but doing 'ls' in the symbolic linked folder says "Operation not supported" |
| 18:43.36 | SynrG | sounds like you've answered your own question |
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| 18:44.07 | buckfast | maybe I'm doing something wrong? |
| 18:44.21 | F1skr | peterS: apt-get doesn't try to upgrade libldb1 :) |
| 18:45.37 | cybrNaut | is there a simple debian command to update all certs in /etc/ssl/certs? |
| 18:45.39 | wols | buckfast: that has nothing to do with linux at all. it's a network share via CIFS |
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| 18:46.17 | buckfast | wols: well the link works fine under windows, why not in linux? |
| 18:46.32 | cybrNaut | or do we need to manally web search for keys and copy them, and run c_rehash? |
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| 18:48.34 | jmcnaught | cybrNaut: there's update-ca-certificates(8) |
| 18:49.20 | SynrG | buckfast: talk to ##windows about it? |
| 18:49.28 | SynrG | buckfast: this is the debian support channel ... |
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| 18:50.14 | buckfast | whatever... |
| 18:51.30 | cybrNaut | jmcnaught: thanks! it did not work for the godaddy cert I seem to be missing (out of the pure blue)... but it's good to know |
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| 18:53.00 | cybrNaut | safe-mail.net was working for quite a long time.. then out of the blue => "fetchmail: Server certificate verification error: unable to get local issuer certificate" |
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| 18:53.40 | cybrNaut | update-ca-certificates didn't fix it. I also did a c_rehash after that and made no difference |
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| 18:56.51 | Tumulte | Hello ! |
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| 18:57.44 | Tumulte | I got a laptop with wifi, everything is recognized, fine. I know the wifi works from another device, fine. Yet I got 404 in both iceweasel and apt-get |
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| 18:58.29 | Tumulte | I know it can be blocked but I can't remember the command to type |
| 18:59.48 | Tumulte | tuoir is a spammer |
| 18:59.52 | Tumulte | just saying |
| 19:00.36 | mtn | Tumulte: what url gave 405? |
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| 19:00.50 | mtn | Tumulte: 404, that is |
| 19:00.57 | Tumulte | mtn: I got no connection whatsoever |
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| 19:01.19 | Tumulte | the wifi is said to be connected and all, but I can't reach anything |
| 19:01.29 | mtn | Tumulte: oh, I didn't get that from your question |
| 19:01.36 | Tumulte | I don't have any firewall I'm aware of |
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| 19:01.40 | mtn | Tumulte: can you ping 8.8.8.8? |
| 19:02.24 | Tumulte | mtn: looks like it yeah |
| 19:02.44 | mtn | Tumulte: ok, so the network is fine. can you ping www.yahoo.com? |
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| 19:03.47 | peterS | wols, SynrG: what? buckfast's question totally was a linux question |
| 19:04.17 | wols | peterS: I don't disagree |
| 19:04.23 | wols | and I never claimed it wasn't |
| 19:04.46 | peterS | <wols> buckfast: that has nothing to do with linux at all. it's a network share via CIFS |
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| 19:05.31 | peterS | yes it's a network share, yes it's cifs, but if the linux module says 'operation not supported' the natural conclusion is that, to answer his question, no, the linux cifs module can't deal with ntfs symlink |
| 19:05.35 | peterS | symlinks, even |
| 19:05.46 | Tumulte | mns: unknown host |
| 19:06.17 | mtn | Tumulte: ok, so you have dns problem. either your dns settings are incorrect or you isp has a problem. |
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| 19:08.18 | wols | peterS: it cannot deal with ntfs at all, cause a CIFS share has nothing to do with ntfs |
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| 19:08.37 | wols | a network filesystem doesn't care about the disk filesystem in any way |
| 19:08.49 | Tumulte | mtn: do you have commands in mind to check it ? Else I'll check that out myself |
| 19:09.14 | mtn | Tumulte: do you use networkmanager? look in its settings. how did you set up networking? |
| 19:09.15 | peterS | wols: that's not really true. but what I mean is symlinks as used on windows, which in practice means on ntfs. the windows server can serve them, the linux cifs module apparently can't parse them |
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| 19:09.46 | Tumulte | mtn: netwokmanager. checking |
| 19:10.12 | mtn | Tumulte: you probably want dhcp |
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| 19:11.45 | SynrG | peterS: if he had a clear-cut case of a debian support case, i'd have taken more interest. |
| 19:12.19 | peterS | SynrG: pointing the user to ##windows is the most bizarre possible solution though, given this is not about windows but about a linux kernel module |
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| 19:13.27 | Tumulte | mtn: dhcp it is |
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| 19:14.27 | SynrG | peterS: which linux kernel module? which kernel? which distribution? with no indication whatsoever even *if* he was using debian, the only clue i had is "the symlinks were created in windows". he did not even state "with ntfs" ... |
| 19:14.54 | SynrG | peterS: so pointing him at the support channel for what appeared to be his primary OS is, i feel, perfectly appropriate. |
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| 19:15.33 | mtn | Tumulte: you could change it to use google or opendns for your dns and see if that fixes it. |
| 19:15.41 | peterS | SynrG: which linux kernel module? he said he ran mount.cifs, that is a hint. he said it was on Linux. he didn't specifically say Debian but that's the base assumption around here. |
| 19:15.53 | SynrG | peterS: further meta-discussion to #debian-offtopic, priv msg or /dev/null please |
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| 19:16.07 | roboman2444 | anyone here having chromium problems with flash? |
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| 19:16.17 | roboman2444 | recent update makes chrome not even try to load the plugin |
| 19:16.25 | SynrG | peterS: my base assumption is if he says "in linux" he's being evasive about which distro he's seeking support for. |
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| 19:16.45 | mtn | roboman2444: chromium has quit supporting the standard flash plugin |
| 19:17.13 | roboman2444 | it still tells me to download and install flashplugin though... |
| 19:17.18 | roboman2444 | from the adobe site |
| 19:17.27 | roboman2444 | anyway, how do i get flash working again? |
| 19:17.28 | mtn | roboman2444: doesn't work though, does it? |
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| 19:17.34 | peterS | ok I'll shut up. I still think you gave bad advice. whether that's worse than no advice ("I have no idea about cifs support for symlinks so I'll ignore his question") is a judgment call. and if this is really about "I think he's probably using ubuntu or fedora", well, ##windows still isn't the correct response |
| 19:17.41 | SynrG | roboman2444: which release? jessie? |
| 19:17.45 | roboman2444 | testing |
| 19:17.46 | mtn | roboman2444: I think you need pepperflash |
| 19:17.50 | SynrG | yes |
| 19:17.51 | roboman2444 | which is probably jesse |
| 19:18.02 | roboman2444 | mtn, thats the one that comes with chrome, right? well chrome://plugins doesnt show it |
| 19:18.11 | SynrG | ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:18.12 | judd | Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.2~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 1.3; sid/contrib: 1.3 |
| 19:18.17 | SynrG | roboman2444: ^^ that |
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| 19:18.49 | roboman2444 | can i do the hexedit on it to make it not minimize when it looses focus? |
| 19:18.56 | roboman2444 | that is very useful on my multimonitor desktop |
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| 19:23.11 | Tumulte | mtn: I have too go, I'm sorry but You've given me enough to start investigating properly |
| 19:23.17 | Tumulte | thabks a lot |
| 19:23.35 | mtn | Tumulte: yw |
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| 19:24.31 | RandomAssMemory | hello all |
| 19:25.18 | SynrG | peterS: that's assuming i care to analyze the problem deeply enough to properly redirect someone who's abusing the channel. sure. if i had cared and did the analysis, i'd have seen my answer was wrong. so sue me. |
| 19:25.59 | SynrG | (or who i had a strong suspicion was abusing it) |
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| 19:26.36 | SynrG | peterS: summary: insufficient input parameters, garbage answer. |
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| 19:35.25 | ivanshmakov | … Curiously, are there any Iceweasel extensions in Debian (either version) to manage 350+ tabs in a sane way? |
| 19:35.54 | mtn | ivanshmakov: 350+ tabs is not sane |
| 19:36.01 | Cpuroast | hehe |
| 19:36.04 | Cpuroast | I was about to say that |
| 19:36.50 | Cpuroast | no one needs over a handful of tabs open constantly |
| 19:37.02 | Cpuroast | maybe ~10-20, during heavy research |
| 19:37.08 | Cpuroast | but that's sporadic |
| 19:37.15 | naptastic | Where's a good place to store SSL certificate files? |
| 19:37.21 | Cpuroast | and then when research is done, tabs are closed |
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| 19:37.55 | cybrNaut | 350 tabs would be sane if they rendered sanely designed webpages, w/out javascript, flash, and other garbage |
| 19:38.09 | cybrNaut | e.g. emacs can handle 350 text files |
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| 19:38.37 | cybrNaut | naptastic: /usr/local/share/ca-certificates |
| 19:38.48 | cybrNaut | naptastic: and /etc/ssl/certs |
| 19:38.55 | naptastic | Gotcha. Thanks! |
| 19:39.23 | cybrNaut | naptastic: "man update-ca-certificates" gives that info |
| 19:39.26 | ivanshmakov | cybrNaut: 350? My Emacsen handle up to around 2000 buffers! |
| 19:39.45 | cybrNaut | ivanshmakov: i didn't mean that was a cap |
| 19:40.17 | naptastic | cybrNaut, I should clarify that these are certs I bought and will be using for my websites. |
| 19:40.23 | cybrNaut | just sayin a browser should be able to handle 350 web pages |
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| 19:40.39 | ivanshmakov | cybrNaut: I use NoScript in Iceweasel, BTW, so JavaScript isn’t an issue, either. As for Adobe Flash, – since when Debian supplies proprietary software? |
| 19:40.57 | cybrNaut | naptastic: try #openssl.. i'm not sure about server certs, if different |
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| 19:41.57 | cybrNaut | ivanshmakov: yes noscript is a good idea.. will make it possible to load shit web pages from out in the wild -- otoh, most of them won't work |
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| 19:42.26 | timthelion | Anyone here found a way to file an FBAR with FOSS? http://bsaefiling.fincen.treas.gov/NoRegFBARFiler.html |
| 19:42.30 | cybrNaut | the real problem is there are no good search engines |
| 19:42.41 | ivanshmakov | cybrNaut: Perhaps; it was quite a while ago I’ve tried to access an arbitrary page with JavaScript enabled. |
| 19:42.51 | cybrNaut | a good search engine would let users filter out javascript/flash sites from the results |
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| 19:43.58 | mtn | cybrNaut: a good search engine would read your mind and give what you want before you ask for it ;) |
| 19:44.38 | timthelion | A good search engine wouldn't replace uncommon words with similarly spelt common ones. |
| 19:45.04 | ivanshmakov | Actually, I’d prefer for the browser to “forget” the rendered /layout/ of the pages in the tabs not accessed recently, and to rebuild it as necessary later, though perhaps I’m pushing my luck expecting something like that to happen. |
| 19:45.41 | timthelion | ivanshmakov: that's called bookmarking |
| 19:46.05 | cybrNaut | if /etc/ca-certificates.conf contains "mozilla/Go_Daddy_Class_2_CA.crt" and "mozilla/Go_Daddy_Root_Certificate_Authority_-_G2.crt", shouldn't the "update-ca-certificates" command update godaddy certs? |
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| 19:57.12 | ivanshmakov | timthelion: Bookmarking doesn’t cache the page /code,/ does it? |
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| 20:00.26 | ivanshmakov | (Or DOM, for that matter.) |
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| 20:33.44 | gryf | Hey. I'm back from the "man adduser" and I don't understand why each user is given a group named like him. What would be the interest ? |
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| 20:35.29 | petn-randall | gryf: It has the advantage that the umask can make files group-readable, and if you want to share a file with a "real" group, you can easily change that. I think that was the train of thought. |
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| 20:37.06 | gryf | petn-randall, can't you change that easely with shown already ? |
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| 20:37.58 | Gnintendo | I have a package being kept back when doing a dist-upgrade from a minimal new stable install -> minimal testing (haven't started it yet) |
| 20:38.21 | ivanshmakov | gryf: chgrp(1). |
| 20:38.22 | Gnintendo | I was under the impression that most "kept backs" were resolved when doing a dist-upgrade, but I'm not as familiar with dpkg; what are reasons a package might still be being kept back? |
| 20:38.40 | gryf | ivanshmakov, :p |
| 20:38.46 | Gnintendo | (or how may I find out?) |
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| 20:39.54 | petn-randall | Gnintendo: Likely missing dependencies in the testing repository, though you'd have to show us the actual error messages for us to judge. |
| 20:39.55 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: You can try $ apt-get -Vs remove -- ⟨offending-packages⟩ – that would probably show some manually-installed packages that would be removed during “real” (no ‘-s’) ‘dist-upgrade’. |
| 20:40.42 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: “Manually” as in “not automatically by APT to resolve dependencies”; not something installed by downloading a .deb and # dpkg -i-ing it. |
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| 20:45.06 | Gnintendo | ivanshmakov: only the 'offending' package is shown? https://ghostbin.com/paste/tcnj6 |
| 20:46.06 | Gnintendo | petn-randall: no actual error unless you consider being informed of a held back package as an error - I'm just trying to understand why (and whether it resolves itself after dist-upgrade?) |
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| 20:47.47 | JyZyXEL | is there a program that can print out information about a FAT filesystem? |
| 20:48.06 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: That’s strange. As per https://packages.debian.org/db5.1-util, the package seem to be present in all the Debian versions (stable and up, that is.) |
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| 20:49.12 | linuxuz3r | what is the c c++ meta package to install for development in debian |
| 20:49.23 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: Note that the APT could also be prevented from upgrading the package via either apt_preferences(5) or the “held packages” dpkg(8) facility. |
| 20:50.05 | Amarande | JyZyXEL: #include <stdlib.h>; #include <stdio.h>; int main { printf("You should upgrade to a more modern filesystem.\n"); return; } |
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| 20:50.15 | Amarande | compile that, and then run it with the name of the FAT filesystem you want info on. :) |
| 20:50.48 | JyZyXEL | Amarande: so you use a more modern filesystem for you UEFI system partition? |
| 20:50.58 | ivanshmakov | linuxuz3r: # apt-get install -- build-essential libstdc++,I guess. |
| 20:51.10 | ivanshmakov | linuxuz3r: s/libstdc++/libstd++-dev/, that is. |
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| 20:51.51 | linuxuz3r | ok thanks |
| 20:51.55 | JyZyXEL | Amarande: what filesystem do you recommend for UEFI then? |
| 20:52.08 | Gnintendo | ivanshmakov: and how might I check that/what are reasons for that? It is notable that this is a very minimal base system+openssh install with almost nothing changed |
| 20:52.09 | linuxuz3r | how do i force reinstall a meta package ivanshmakov |
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| 20:52.47 | ivanshmakov | linuxuz3r: libstdc++-4.9-dev (now seems finally fine.) |
| 20:52.56 | zinx | JyZyXEL: uhm, what OSs need access to the filesystem? |
| 20:52.57 | ivanshmakov | linuxuz3r: No idea. |
| 20:53.04 | JyZyXEL | zinx: UEFI |
| 20:53.29 | edgardoweb | is away: Estoy ocupado |
| 20:53.39 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: $ apt-cache policy -- ⟨package-name⟩? |
| 20:53.40 | JyZyXEL | "The UEFI specification explicitly requires support for FAT32 for EFI System partitions (ESPs), and FAT16 or FAT12 for removable media." |
| 20:53.57 | zinx | JyZyXEL: i wasn't aware it required a specific filesystem, just GPT partitioning hmm |
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| 20:54.12 | Amarande | zinx: that's for the boot control partition like Windows uses |
| 20:54.24 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: What’s the output of $ dpkg -l for the package? |
| 20:54.25 | JyZyXEL | Amarande: still claiming there is a better way? |
| 20:54.28 | Amarande | far as I'm aware, you do not need a special EFI system partition to use EFI boot with Linux |
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| 20:54.39 | Amarande | you just need to use a version of GRUB that's compatible with EFI |
| 20:55.18 | Amarande | In fact, you can even EFI boot Linux on a legacy partitioned drive, as long as of course it's small enough to fit the limits of MBR |
| 20:55.54 | Gnintendo | ivanshmakov: https://ghostbin.com/paste/3f2o5 and https://ghostbin.com/paste/mt2gu respectively |
| 20:55.54 | Amarande | (which it probably is if you're running linux in most cases, tbh, because it's hard to justify the use of even a 120GB SSD as a dedicated Linux drive in most cases, let alone a 3TB HDD) |
| 20:56.06 | linuxuz3r | wonder how to compile a 32 bit c c++ program with a 64 bit compiler |
| 20:56.10 | zinx | JyZyXEL: guess FAT32's recommended for the EFI system partition |
| 20:56.10 | Amarande | the requirement to have GPT to use EFI boot mode is a Windows-specific limitation |
| 20:56.37 | zinx | JyZyXEL: only the EFI system partition, however, you can use whatever you want on the other partitions. |
| 20:56.50 | Amarande | zinx: and I'm pretty sure you only need an EFI system partition with Windows |
| 20:57.01 | JyZyXEL | well i need a EFI system partition in my particular case |
| 20:57.02 | zinx | Amarande: it's probably possible to do it without |
| 20:57.14 | cuqa | whats up with ur name and zyxel |
| 20:57.15 | zinx | Amarande: but i don't know that i'd recommend it :/ |
| 20:57.24 | cuqa | u work for them? |
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| 20:57.48 | Amarande | actually hmm now I'm not sure about that |
| 20:58.02 | Amarande | I know you don't absolutely have to use GPT (unless booting Windows), but you might need that system partition even for GRUB |
| 20:58.12 | Amarande | though for GRUB it only needs to be tiny, and it's mostly a setup and forget matter |
| 20:58.17 | zinx | Amarande: no reason to not do it the standard recommended way :/ |
| 20:58.43 | linuxuz3r | ;) |
| 20:58.49 | Amarande | the only thing you absolutely need GPT for is a) EFI booting Windows (a Microsoft specific stipulation) or b) >2.2TB drives |
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| 20:59.27 | Amarande | ah yes, you do need the EFI boot partition |
| 20:59.35 | Amarande | MBR is ignored altogether in UEFI boot mode |
| 20:59.37 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: And what does $ apt-get -Vs install -- db5.1-util=5.1.29-8 say? |
| 20:59.44 | Amarande | *however*, there's not really anything you need to *do* with the EFI boot partition |
| 21:00.41 | Amarande | because apparently the only thing that actually needs to be in the boot partition is GRUB itself |
| 21:01.09 | Amarande | so you can get away with ... probably close to the minimum size partition you can even create nowadays, I'd imagine |
| 21:01.11 | ivanshmakov | (FTR: https://ghostbin.com/ formats the contents with <div class="code" /> instead of arguably more correct <pre />, with whatever class. Naturally, this confuses Lynx.) |
| 21:01.26 | Amarande | and as with Windows, you don't need to actually care about the EFI boot partition post installation |
| 21:01.35 | zinx | Amarande: nah you can make 1MB partitions probably, i'd give grub more than that (assuming it includes its stage2 stuff on it) |
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| 21:03.52 | Gnintendo | ivanshmakov: https://ghostbin.com/paste/8re8z |
| 21:03.53 | Amarande | zinx: certainly not as much as windows needs though |
| 21:04.14 | Amarande | what does it use nowadays ... think 8.x demands like, 300MB minimum or something gigantic like that |
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| 21:04.29 | Gnintendo | ivanshmakov: I'll fix it in code later today, sorry :P |
| 21:04.31 | Amarande | although that's probably because windows includes recovery console stuff in the boot partition and such |
| 21:04.42 | Amarande | while with linux all you need space for is the boot loader |
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| 21:05.23 | vook | the kernel should be in /boot as well, of course |
| 21:05.54 | Gnintendo | ivanshmakov: would you like it somewhere else? |
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| 21:06.27 | acu | how can I erase the downloaded .deb - I did remove --purge and reinstalled . but I need to make sure there is a new download |
| 21:06.49 | vook | acu: apt-get clean |
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| 21:06.53 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: I’ve just found that I could read the “source” instead. |
| 21:07.03 | vook | acu: or remove it manually in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 21:07.06 | acu | vook: thanks |
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| 21:08.37 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: Frankly, I see no reason why # apt-get dist-upgrade would “keep” this package. Sure, its upgrade implies an upgrade for a cast of other package (due to the move from libdb5.1 to libdb5.3), but still, – dist-upgrade should do just that. |
| 21:08.47 | TheQuestionmark | Quick question - Does libsdl2-2-0 exist for Stable as of now? |
| 21:09.10 | ivanshmakov | TheQuestionmark: What does https://packages.debian.org/ say? |
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| 21:09.15 | Brigo | ,v libsdl2-2-0 |
| 21:09.17 | judd | No package named 'libsdl2-2-0' was found in i386. |
| 21:09.24 | Gnintendo | ivanshmakov: should I go ahead and do the dist-upgrade and then evaluate the status then? |
| 21:10.06 | TheQuestionmark | It says 2-1-3, taking this as a no :< |
| 21:10.27 | linuxuz3r | speaking of dist upgrade how do i know if i am in 7.4 debian version |
| 21:10.39 | linuxuz3r | i dist upgrade my 7.2 machine |
| 21:10.43 | Brigo | ,v libsdl2-2.0-0 |
| 21:10.45 | judd | Package: libsdl2-2.0-0 on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 2.0.0+dfsg1-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.0.2+dfsg1-3; sid: 2.0.2+dfsg1-3 |
| 21:11.22 | Brigo | TheQuestionmark, it is in backports |
| 21:12.06 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: You can always check the output for $ apt-get -Vs dist-upgrade to see if it’s sane prior to doing that as root. |
| 21:12.33 | Gnintendo | ivanshmakov: would it be related to https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/db5.3.html |
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| 21:14.54 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: Looks like so. |
| 21:14.59 | TheQuestionmark | Brigo, Sweet! |
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| 21:15.23 | Gnintendo | ivanshmakov: So then I might expect it to resolve itself as the transition completes? |
| 21:16.50 | ivanshmakov | ,v python2.6 |
| 21:16.51 | judd | Package: python2.6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-8+b1; wheezy: 2.6.8-1.1 |
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| 21:17.31 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: The only “transitional” issues are libdb5.1, which is a dependency; and python2.6, which is probably not in testing due to being obsolete. |
| 21:18.22 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: BTW, you can check whether “unmarking” python2.6 “resolves” the issue. |
| 21:18.32 | Brigo | TheQuestionmark, :) |
| 21:18.52 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: As in: # apt-mark auto -- python2.6. |
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| 21:19.18 | Gnintendo | I am unfamiliar with marking |
| 21:20.16 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: Surely you are. Whenever you run # apt-get install -- example, ‘example’ is marked as “manually installed.” If it brings libexample42 as the dependency, – the latter would be marked as “automatically installed.” |
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| 21:20.41 | linuxuz3r | ok guys |
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| 21:20.44 | linuxuz3r | thanks a lot |
| 21:20.52 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: Naturally, APT feels more freedom when removing “auto” packages than when it deals with the “manual” ones. |
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| 21:24.17 | Quantum` | If I have two PCI video cards, how do I specify one as the boot console? |
| 21:24.45 | kyle__ | Quantum`: IIRC the kernel will output to all of them as the boot console, simultaniously. |
| 21:25.01 | kyle__ | I don't think I've ever changed that behavior....wanted to a few times though. |
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| 21:25.14 | Quantum` | K, thanks. |
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| 21:28.03 | Amarande | kyle: not sure why that's a big deal. does the boot console output sensitive security stuff on your systems perhaps? |
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| 21:31.18 | Gnintendo | ivanshmakov: it says python 2.6 was already set to auto |
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| 21:32.12 | adamsilver | do you guys recommend using debian or ubuntu for web servers? |
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| 21:33.50 | kyle__ | Amarande: I don't think so. I just wanted it isolated to one head when I had a fancy multi head system way back in the day Not sure why Quantum` wanted it though. |
| 21:34.26 | Gnintendo | ivanshmakov: is there something else I could/should try? |
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| 21:34.37 | blue_sky | adamsilver: ask in #ubuntu |
| 21:35.22 | adamsilver | blue_sky: why? |
| 21:35.27 | blue_sky | adamsilver: should I support liverpool or manchester united? |
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| 21:35.51 | adamsilver | blue_sky: manchester united |
| 21:36.04 | blue_sky | well, there ya go, use Debian on your web-server |
| 21:36.16 | adamsilver | :) |
| 21:37.47 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: The other thing to do would be to # apt-get remove it. |
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| 21:39.37 | Gnintendo | would that harm anything? |
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| 21:48.53 | cipher__ | I installed a bulletin board on debian, it renders perfectly on localhost, but when accessing across the network it behaves as it did when AllowOverrides was set to None, instead of FileInfo in apache.conf |
| 21:49.37 | cipher__ | which is a white screen with incorrectly rendered text, one image, and no interactivity; links also point to localhost instead of 192.168.xx.xxx |
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| 21:52.14 | Gnintendo | ivanshmakov: oh odd, after a reboot it's no longer shown as held back |
| 21:55.26 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: That’s strange. |
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| 21:56.12 | ivanshmakov | Gnintendo: Generally, removing the automatically installed packages should be safe, unless, of course, that brings down some “manual” ones as well. |
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| 21:58.20 | Quantum` | kyle__:, Amarande, actually I want to define which video card remains the console -after- boot. |
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| 22:02.27 | medfly | hi, is there a friendlier way for me to use bluetooth to transfer files? I can only transfer files now, I want to transfer a whole directory. I also can't decompress on the other end |
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| 22:11.59 | sly007 | Hello, I freshly installed Debian wheezy on my Amazon EC2 instance, the sudoers file mentions that members of the sudo group can sudo, what I don’t understnad is that I have an empty sudo group but still the « admin » user can sudo. How is that possible? |
| 22:13.54 | Quantum` | sly007: You mean root? root can do anything anyway. It's like Winduhs superuser. (above "Admin". |
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| 22:14.32 | sly007 | Quantum`: no, it’s the a’ccount named admin used for login by ssh |
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| 22:15.56 | Quantum` | huh? So it's an unprived account? |
| 22:16.42 | Quantum` | There's no 'admin' in *nix unless you make one. |
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| 22:20.45 | Amarande | Yeah, I'm not sure what package would have installed an extra account like that, unless amazon EC2 uses some modified wheezy install or such |
| 22:21.13 | Amarande | I have a pretty bare bones Debian VM installed on my Windows 8.1 machine through Hyper-V, and I don't see any account called "admin" |
| 22:21.35 | Quantum` | cat /etc/passwd |
| 22:22.39 | sly007 | $ groups |
| 22:22.39 | sly007 | admin adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev |
| 22:23.00 | Quantum` | That's not an account. |
| 22:23.20 | sly007 | I’m not in sudo |
| 22:23.51 | Quantum` | Yer user is in the admin group. Not a good idear... |
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| 22:24.18 | sly007 | but not in sudo. /etc/sudoes mentions access for people in %sudo |
| 22:24.23 | Quantum` | admin groups isn't the same thing as in Winduhs, but it still has extra accrotements. |
| 22:24.50 | Quantum` | Take it out of your user. |
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| 22:26.46 | sly007 | it’s just the default unpriviledge user on my fresh mashine |
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| 22:27.06 | sly007 | what I don’t understand is what my account is able to sudo while not in the sudoers group |
| 22:27.44 | Quantum` | Maybe admin group. You shouldn't have that for an unprived user. |
| 22:27.46 | Yukikaze | it would be able to if it is added to the sudoers file |
| 22:28.27 | JyZyXEL | # grub-install /dev/sdc |
| 22:28.30 | JyZyXEL | Installing for x86_64-efi platform. |
| 22:28.32 | JyZyXEL | grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory. |
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| 22:29.04 | JyZyXEL | oh wait, i probably should mount the efi system partition |
| 22:29.10 | sly007 | Yukikaze: in sudoers there is only an entry for roor and for %sudo |
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| 22:32.43 | ion__ | how to I correct this problem: http://paste.debian.net/103801/ |
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| 22:34.35 | ion__ | what do I have to do to fix it..? |
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| 22:34.52 | mtn | ion__: not using ppas is the first thing to come to mind. otherwise, fix the addresses |
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| 22:35.56 | ion__ | mnt:now I just want to get rid of the address. |
| 22:36.21 | ion__ | mnt:that will be fine for me. |
| 22:36.35 | mtn | ion__: then edit your /etc/sources.list or use synaptic to do it |
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| 22:38.33 | OverSpeed301 | Hi all! I've copyed' an empty /bin/ alongside all others folders from a debian server to another (in a web folder) with scp as root (it was a mistake), but now I can't remove it, even when I'm root. Any ideas how i can remove this folder ? |
| 22:38.57 | OverSpeed301 | I've already tried with chattr -i bin/ and rm -rf /bin but it doesn't work |
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| 22:39.07 | OverSpeed301 | *rm -rf bin/ sorry |
| 22:39.07 | ion__ | mtn: you mean /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 22:39.21 | buu | OverSpeed301: What error do you get when you try? |
| 22:39.22 | mtn | ion__: yes, sorry |
| 22:39.23 | ion__ | mtn: I open it but I didn't find the address. |
| 22:39.41 | OverSpeed301 | buu: rm: cannot remove `bin': Permission denied |
| 22:39.42 | mtn | ion__: then it is in a sub-folder of that folder. |
| 22:39.59 | buu | OverSpeed301: What does ls -l .; say? |
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| 22:40.18 | Yukikaze | ion__: try looking in any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 22:40.47 | OverSpeed301 | buu: for bin/ folder : drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 Jun 7 00:13 bin |
| 22:40.57 | buu | No the folder that bin is in |
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| 22:44.04 | OverSpeed301 | buu: bin/ folder is in /var/www/overspeed301.fr/, this is the output of ls -l /var/www/overspeed301.fr/ : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 May 27 23:40 overspeed301.fr -> Symbolic Link to another folder |
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| 22:45.09 | buu | OverSpeed301: So what's the permissions on the folder its symlinked to? |
| 22:46.18 | ion__ | Yukikaze: Done I found it and works. Cheers man. |
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| 22:47.33 | OverSpeed301 | buu: Oh, it's drwxr-xr-x 18 root root (i didn't think about looking at the permissions of the original folder), but if I do chmod 777, it output the same message : not permitted |
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| 22:49.10 | buu | OverSpeed301: Well, thats strange. |
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| 22:49.39 | buu | I suppose you can create and delete other directories there? |
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| 22:52.15 | OverSpeed301 | buu: In /var/www/overspeed301.fr I can't create directories, but in web folder (that is next to bin/ and others) I can (it supposed to be normal) |
| 22:52.45 | Sisk | Can anyone recommend a good weather app that can monitor weather alerts from the national weather service in the US? |
| 22:52.52 | buu | Why can't you create directories in ...301.fr/ ? |
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| 22:55.49 | OverSpeed301 | buu: OH WELL, it's an error from me, and only from me. I've created a chrooted shell user in this folder, so it's normal I can't remove the folder, I'll try to remove the chrooted shell |
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| 22:56.06 | buu | welp |
| 22:56.19 | OverSpeed301 | buu: The error stills between the chair and the keyboard ... from me >< |
| 22:56.25 | buu | =] |
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| 23:05.48 | JyZyXEL | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.15.0-rc7 |
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| 23:05.51 | JyZyXEL | WARNING: Unknown X keysym "permille" |
| 23:05.53 | JyZyXEL | what is that warning? |
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| 23:12.25 | nsgn | well, i'm on a vanilla install of debian with php/mysql/apache/etc installed. i've 100% stumped the guys in ##php as to why the memory_limit setting in php.ini is not being respected on a fresh debian install |
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| 23:15.08 | wols | nsgn: full path to php.ini? |
| 23:15.29 | nsgn | wols, /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini. and phpinfo() confirms this is the only php.ini being read |
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| 23:15.45 | wols | restarted apache? |
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| 23:16.05 | nsgn | wols, and the whole server. dozens of times. |
| 23:17.33 | buu | nsgn: What are the symptoms? |
| 23:18.40 | nsgn | buu, i set the memory limit in php.ini to what i want. php entirely ignores this and runs the default memory limit of 128. my script that needs just about 180m ram fails |
| 23:19.03 | buu | I was just wondering how you verified all of those assertions |
| 23:19.37 | vook | nsgn: is suhosin.memory_limit set in /etc/php5/conf.d/suhosin.ini ? |
| 23:20.31 | nsgn | buu, trust me, they were exhaustively verified with the guys in #php |
| 23:20.45 | nsgn | but i just basically determined this is either a bug in the debian version im running or the php version |
| 23:20.55 | buu | Well, it is php |
| 23:20.55 | nsgn | we just fired up a second vm with a current version of debian and php and the issue doesnt happen |
| 23:21.05 | nsgn | its just infuriating because the issue isnt documented |
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| 23:22.17 | nsgn | i'm going to go jump off a cliff now and then reinstall this whole vm. thanks for the help. |
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| 23:30.47 | hanshenrik | brand new laptop, GeForce GTX880M and intel core i7-4910MQ, and trying to boot up debian+xfce livecd, but x.org crashes on startup, complaining about free() invalid pointer at 0xwhatever |
| 23:31.07 | hanshenrik | (i7-4910mq has intel integrated graphics~ btw) |
| 23:31.52 | hanshenrik | any idea how to troubleshoot that? |
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| 23:33.14 | vook | exit |
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| 23:33.33 | buu | hanshenrik: Which laptop is that? |
| 23:33.49 | Amarande | hanshenrik: full system freeze with kernel panic? |
| 23:34.03 | linuxguy101 | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/06/heartbleed-openssl-bug-security-vulnerabilities |
| 23:34.17 | Amarande | this is reminding me about not being able to get knoppix to work properly on this computer ... if perhaps recent nvidia cards have some kind of issues with X :S |
| 23:34.32 | Amarande | I've pretty much given up on setting up Linux natively on this PC anyway, now if I want it I set up a VM through Hyper-V |
| 23:34.58 | Amarande | feels kinda sad, but yeah it does seem in a lot of use cases the way to go for linux is to run windows (and then put linux in a vm under it) |
| 23:35.55 | hanshenrik | buu, its a rebranded Clevo P17sm-something |
| 23:36.21 | hanshenrik | Amarande, not a kernel panic, not as far as i can see |
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| 23:36.52 | Amarande | ah, a different kind of crash, then |
| 23:37.05 | Amarande | (and why are mobile GeForce 800 series out already and no desktop ones? shame, nVidia, shame) |
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| 23:37.29 | hanshenrik | Amarande, btw might interest you, i also have a recent nVidia laptop here, and debian xorg crashes on startup, but ubuntu starts without problem |
| 23:37.49 | Amarande | ah, in my case I have a GTX 770, desktop card |
| 23:38.06 | Amarande | And now all thanks to tech evolution in China, it could be aeons before we get to see the 800 series (or the AMD 300 series) |
| 23:38.55 | hanshenrik | hmm |
| 23:39.25 | hanshenrik | Amarande, anyway, why are you giving up on linux? (i guess i joined too late to hear) |
| 23:39.34 | Amarande | (apparently, they just got LTE cell service in China this year, so the factories that normally make a lot of the computer chips we use are instead being swamped solid with orders for cellphone system-on-chips ...) |
| 23:39.48 | Amarande | Not giving up on Linux, pretty much giving up on running it natively as opposed to through a VM, though |
| 23:39.57 | Amarande | at least on this rig |
| 23:39.59 | hanshenrik | and why? |
| 23:40.13 | Amarande | well, for one, VMs mean I don't have to futz with repartitioning the drive or messing with the main bootloader |
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| 23:40.44 | Amarande | but, there's apparently some issues with X and too-new hardware ... I tried to boot my usual Knoppix live CD to do some system stuff a few weeks ago and the system froze hard about a minute after X and the desktop launched |
| 23:41.06 | Amarande | no issues in the VM (although I've never attempted X in a VM yet) |
| 23:41.20 | Amarande | also, it was knoppix I tried to boot native, and Debian that I'm using in the VM |
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| 23:43.08 | hanshenrik | buu, to be exact, it was this laptop (rebranded Clevo); http://www.multicom.no/SystemConfigurator.aspx?q=st:10624974;c:1000042;fl:0#3557-10501975-1;3560-10519068-1;3562-10500502-1;3760-6402189-1;3558-10628455-1;3555-7294431-1;3556-10626021-4;3569-5750760-1;3570-10628132-1;3559-10605611-1;3565-2994519-1;3567-10611260-1 |
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