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| 00:08.40 | Guest57584 | berarma: thanks for the tip. got it resolved. i fucking hate cron. i'm gonna pay someone to rewrite that piece of garbage. |
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| 00:13.51 | chrismeister | Hello, anyone here who knows the importance of being a part of the "video" group to fully use the Nvidia driver? |
| 00:13.56 | chrismeister | I heard from a random guy online that a user must be a part of the "video" group in order to fully use all the features. I could not find a source confirming this though. |
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| 00:16.58 | srged | chrismeister: google "add user video group" |
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| 00:17.55 | chrismeister | i know how to join a group. I just want to know if it really matters. Will it actually improve the driver? |
| 00:18.08 | chrismeister | srged, but thx anyway. |
| 00:18.45 | Guest57584 | i have never had any issues with nvidia without being in that group |
| 00:19.04 | Guest57584 | but i don't really know outside of anecdotal experience |
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| 00:19.37 | chrismeister | Me neither, portal runs just fine at maximum settings. And I am not in the group. But I wonder since I'm making a script. |
| 00:20.01 | chrismeister | A script that autoinstalls graphics-drivers and steam |
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| 00:20.37 | Guest57584 | i don't see why it would make a difference if it works for something fairly heavy like portal. my intuition says don't sweat it |
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| 00:21.40 | chrismeister | Guest57584, true. I need sources that it actually makes a difference before adding it to the script. |
| 00:21.58 | chrismeister | Otherwise, it might just look stupid |
| 00:22.41 | chrismeister | Gonna try Serious Sam 3 now. I'm exited to try my new graphics card on Linux! |
| 00:22.46 | JyZyXEL | how do i check if the reportbug is actually sending the bug report? |
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| 00:26.20 | Guest57584 | chrismeister: fun, eh? |
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| 00:29.24 | chrismeister | Guest57584, oh yeah, well, did run just fine at maximum settings. Such improvements in linux gaming, very nice. |
| 00:30.09 | Guest57584 | it's amazing in my opinion |
| 00:30.26 | chrismeister | yeah |
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| 00:41.44 | electricprism | I wrote a thumbnailer to try to get PSD files to generate thumbnails in the file manager using ImageMagick, I dont understand why this isn't working http://pastebin.com/q3STMXvY |
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| 00:48.29 | Hell-Razor | hey fellas hows it going |
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| 00:50.51 | zro | if i want to up the version of php in squeeze to 5.4 does it make more sense to use the dotdeb repos, or do apt pinning with the wheezy repo? |
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| 00:53.42 | Hell-Razor | im thinking about instaling debian, i come from the gentoo side of things and am used to all that pain and gore.. i have a few questions one is about the FS- i installed on a vm and i only have several choices, would it be possible to install like on reiserfs for example? i havent had much luck with ext or zfs (both are slow and memory hogs) and dont have much experience with others. |
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| 00:59.10 | GazzaBazza | Hi, so tonight is operation secure my debian 7.0 VPS |
| 00:59.52 | GazzaBazza | I've moved SSH access to a different port, but what are some other things I can do to secure it |
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| 01:05.55 | jmcnaught | Hell-Razor: the debian installer lets you select from a list of file systems, but i just use ext4 |
| 01:07.26 | Hell-Razor | jmcnaught yeah i saw that.. there are a few outdated ones but nothing like "experimental" built in... |
| 01:08.00 | Hell-Razor | im not sure if i want to have to edit the hell out of zfs to get it to work.. never have tried xfs though but i hear its decent |
| 01:09.01 | jmcnaught | GazzaBazza: i recommend disabling password authentication for ssh and using keys instead. There's also a securing debian manual on the debian website: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html and also a security chapter in http://debian-handbook.info/ (which you can read for free or purchase to support the authors) |
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| 01:10.43 | jmcnaught | Hell-Razor: i think to use ZFS you need to use userland tools like FUSE but I've never tried it. btrfs has some ZFS-like functionality. I just use ext4 because it's the default, but feel free to experiment :) |
| 01:10.49 | themill | zro: it makes the most sense to upgrade to wheezy instead. |
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| 01:25.57 | Hell-Razor | one thing ive always been curious about is bsd.. i see debian has a freebsd distro... is there a mirc channel on it? |
| 01:26.07 | Hell-Razor | nm i found it |
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| 01:37.32 | srged | need help with ALSA. i have no sound, I finally managed to open alsamixer. now what? |
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| 01:42.01 | GazzaBazza | jmcnaught cheers |
| 01:42.53 | jmcnaught | srged: what does it look like? a bunch of bars? left-right arrow keys to select channel, up/down to adjust levels. F6 if it's showing the PulseAudio "card" instead of the actual card |
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| 01:44.16 | srged | jmcnaught: http://picpaste.com/screenshot_2014-06-08_03_43_17-96n2VRVl.png |
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| 01:44.49 | srged | jmcnaught: here is how my F6 looks like... http://picpaste.com/screenshot_2014-06-08_03_43_32-CxY4DOO9.png |
| 01:45.56 | jmcnaught | srged: so strange.. i wonder if you're missing a firmware blob or something? It's not supposed to look like that |
| 01:46.07 | srged | ... |
| 01:47.02 | srged | jmcnaught: what should i do? |
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| 01:48.19 | fluffywolf | I'm running into header issues... as far as I can tell, only asm/termios.h defines TIOCM_DTR and friends. no other header files include asm/termios.h other than linux/termios.h, which is not included from anything. so, I have to include asm/termios.h... but this also redefines things included in termios.h, so I can't include both. but if I don't include termios.h, I lose tcgetattr and friends. any ideas? |
| 01:48.47 | jmcnaught | srged: is your user a member of the audio group? (the "groups" command will tell you) |
| 01:48.56 | srged | jmcnaught: yes it is |
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| 01:49.42 | jmcnaught | srged: did you ever try using a Live CD to see if audio works that way? Might help with troubleshooting to see if it's simply a configuration issue or not |
| 01:50.07 | srged | jmcnaught: dont have any |
| 01:50.22 | LtL | srged: have you tried, 'alsactl init' as root |
| 01:50.47 | srged | LtL: root@linux:~# alsactl init |
| 01:50.47 | srged | alsactl: init:1743: No soundcards found... |
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| 01:52.28 | jmcnaught | srged: is your computer a vaio? |
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| 01:52.35 | srged | jmcnaught: yes |
| 01:52.53 | LtL | srged: this may interst you, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=104943 |
| 01:55.33 | jmcnaught | srged: try this: "rmmod snd-hda-intel && modprobe snd-hda-intel model=vaio" |
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| 01:56.51 | srged | jmcnaught: Error: Module snd_hda_intel is not currently loaded |
| 01:57.37 | jmcnaught | srged: okay just "modprobe snd-hda-intel model=vaio" |
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| 01:58.04 | srged | jmcnaught: done |
| 01:58.17 | srged | and now? |
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| 01:58.32 | jmcnaught | srged: do you have channels in alsamixer now? |
| 01:59.17 | srged | jmcnaught: in alsamixer everything is the same |
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| 02:01.15 | LtL | srged: press F6 in alsamixer, choose the correct card if you haven't tried that yet |
| 02:01.25 | srged | ok |
| 02:02.21 | srged | LtL: F6 give me two options |
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| 02:02.44 | srged | here is how my F6 looks like... http://picpaste.com/screenshot_2014-06-08_03_43_32-CxY4DOO9.png |
| 02:03.23 | srged | if I select "default"... it says: │ This sound device does not have any controls. │ |
| 02:04.04 | LtL | srged: the device name you should find in /proc/asound/cards |
| 02:04.56 | srged | LtL: sudo: /proc/asound/cards: command not found |
| 02:05.15 | Guest57584 | ls |
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| 02:05.58 | LtL | srged: you dont need root, try entering Intel in alsamixer for a device (provide it's an intel) |
| 02:06.48 | LtL | srged: that would be cat /proc/asound/cards btw |
| 02:07.20 | srged | LtL: user@linux:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 02:07.20 | srged | --- no soundcards --- |
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| 02:08.06 | srged | LtL: I tried "Intel" and didnt work |
| 02:08.28 | srged | Cannot open mixer device 'Intel'.│ │ |
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| 02:08.46 | srged | │ ││No such file or directory No such file or directory |
| 02:08.47 | jmcnaught | srged: download a Live CD image and put it on a USB stick the same way you would have for the install iso that you used, boot it up and see if it works there. If it does you know for sure it's a configuration issue. |
| 02:08.52 | Guest57584 | do you actually know what chipset our sound card is using? |
| 02:09.26 | jmcnaught | srged: also careful about pasting multiple lines, the bots will boot you out :P |
| 02:09.29 | Guest57584 | does lspci show you any audio devices? |
| 02:09.39 | srged | jmcnaught: I have a live usb. debian standard. it has no gui. only a terminal! |
| 02:10.22 | srged | Guest57584: yes. it shows this... 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 02:10.33 | Guest57584 | install the module for that |
| 02:10.51 | srged | Guest57584: how do I install the module for that? |
| 02:11.07 | jmcnaught | srged: download the gnome live iso instead of the standard one |
| 02:11.55 | srged | jmcnaught: I only have a 1GB usb thumb, which has like 955 mb of actual free space... the only iso that fits on it its the standard one with no gui... |
| 02:12.34 | LtL | srged: what does this say: cat /proc/asound/version |
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| 02:12.54 | LtL | srged: should say alsa, one line |
| 02:13.07 | srged | jmcnaught: maybe that is why I have these problems. since I the standard one lack many packets and desktop etc.. |
| 02:13.16 | Guest57584 | do lsmod | grep snd |
| 02:13.22 | Guest57584 | what sound modules do you have installed now? |
| 02:13.39 | srged | ser@linux:~$ cat /proc/asound/version |
| 02:13.40 | srged | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.24. |
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| 02:14.13 | srged | LtL: alsa command not found |
| 02:14.15 | LtL | srged: good, if you have ant OSS modules loaded they will mess you up btw |
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| 02:14.54 | LtL | alsa itself isnt a command, have you gone through the alsa checklist wiki srged ? |
| 02:15.10 | srged | Guest57584: here... http://paste.debian.net/103919 |
| 02:15.34 | Guest57584 | that is so weird. you have the intel modules running. |
| 02:15.38 | srged | LtL: how do I check if I have any oss modules loaded? |
| 02:15.58 | Guest57584 | but no sound card device listed. |
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| 02:17.27 | LtL | srged: lsmod |
| 02:18.09 | srged | LtL: http://paste.debian.net/103920/ |
| 02:18.44 | LtL | srged: well you do |
| 02:19.04 | srged | I do have the sound card device listed? |
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| 02:20.07 | Guest57584 | you have the modules running, the kernel can see the chipset on the pci bus, you just dont have a sound device |
| 02:20.14 | Guest57584 | srged: i'm stumped, :/ |
| 02:20.16 | LtL | srged: lines 30 thru 32. i dare say you might want to blacklist them, modprobe -r to each to check then run, aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 02:21.09 | LtL | srged: modprobe -r each oss module, alsactl init then aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 02:21.38 | LtL | if that works blacklist those modules |
| 02:21.44 | jmcnaught | LtL: good catch! |
| 02:22.04 | LtL | danke, we haven't won yet though |
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| 02:22.10 | Guest57584 | yeah, that is good advice |
| 02:23.11 | jmcnaught | srged: did you install the OSS packages? you should remove them |
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| 02:24.16 | srged | LtL: just to make sure I run the right commands.. |
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| 02:24.25 | srged | first Ill do ... modprobe -r osscore |
| 02:24.30 | srged | rigt? |
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| 02:24.42 | LtL | yes] |
| 02:25.11 | srged | FATAL: Module osscore is in use. |
| 02:25.35 | LtL | srged: thats our problem i think |
| 02:25.52 | Hell-Razor | anybody else have filesystem issues like i do? ive spent the last two hours at least reading up on each fs debian offers and cant decide |
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| 02:27.13 | srged | what to do? |
| 02:27.17 | LtL | remove the package whatever it is or enter the name in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 02:27.39 | LtL | all three in the blacklist and reboot |
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| 02:28.05 | Guest57584 | LtL for the win. |
| 02:28.12 | LtL | better if you could find the package without mass removal of good stuff |
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| 02:29.33 | srged | just to confirm I do it right |
| 02:29.34 | LtL | srged: i would just blacklist all three |
| 02:29.34 | srged | http://picpaste.com/screenshot_2014-06-08_04_29_00-5CbiHweO.png |
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| 02:29.48 | srged | looks alright. should I save and reboot ? |
| 02:29.53 | jmcnaught | srged: by the way, when i was helping you with this the other night you insisted that all you had done was install "alsa-base". Mentioning that you had also installed OSS would have been pretty helpful, just saying.. ;) |
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| 02:30.22 | LtL | srged: looks good, im surprised the file was empty but, carry on |
| 02:30.27 | srged | jmcnaught: :) |
| 02:30.55 | LtL | srged: yeah reboot |
| 02:31.01 | srged | ok guys. ima reboot and get back to report the news |
| 02:31.23 | Washuu | odd question >.> when searching online for info on issues or answers to questions hardware/software related, does it really matter if one is using google or bing? |
| 02:31.24 | jmcnaught | doesn't each line need to start with blacklist? eg "blacklist osscore" |
| 02:31.46 | LtL | jmcnaught: damn youre right |
| 02:31.59 | LtL | my fault |
| 02:32.27 | LtL | i should have looked at mine first |
| 02:32.53 | jmcnaught | oh well he'll be back in a minute i guess.. i wonder if we should help him remove the oss packages too? |
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| 02:33.21 | srged | is still soundless |
| 02:33.26 | LtL | srged: my mistake, each enter must start with 'blacklist osscore' etc |
| 02:33.33 | LtL | entry |
| 02:33.46 | LtL | jmcnaught caught my mistake, sorry |
| 02:34.36 | jmcnaught | srged: also there's an extra "_" on the end of oss_hdaudio in your screenshot that shouldn't be there |
| 02:35.03 | LtL | i saw that but wasnt it in the lsmod output too? |
| 02:35.26 | srged | that is my coursor |
| 02:35.34 | LtL | no it wasnt, youre right jmcnaught |
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| 02:35.55 | jmcnaught | Washuu: probably doesn't matter which.. i guess try both if you're having trouble finding what you need. also duckduckgo.com too |
| 02:36.16 | srged | okay LtL I updated with the blacklist in front of each.. |
| 02:36.19 | LtL | srged: blacklist them, boot, alsctl init and test |
| 02:36.39 | LtL | alsactl init rather |
| 02:36.47 | srged | LtL: after reboot do I have to do "alsctl init" ? |
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| 02:37.11 | LtL | srged: i would, you may not need to, alsa should take over |
| 02:37.39 | srged | okay rebooting brb |
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| 02:39.40 | srged | user@linux:~$ sudo alsactl init |
| 02:39.40 | srged | [sudo] password for user: |
| 02:39.43 | srged | alsactl: init:1743: No soundcards found... |
| 02:39.57 | _1_Sam24 | hi |
| 02:40.05 | LtL | srged: try f6 in alsamixer. does aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav work |
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| 02:41.16 | srged | LtL: sudo: /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav: command not found |
| 02:41.25 | srged | F6 <<< everythin is the same |
| 02:41.53 | Guest57584 | srged: aplay in front of the path |
| 02:42.04 | LtL | srged: you only have one sound device, are you sure you have all alsa packages installed, aplay is the command and it should work as user. but its not seeing cards |
| 02:42.46 | LtL | srged: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 02:43.06 | Washuu | jmcnaught: duckduckgo... It hadn't occurred to me while bouncing between bing and google that search result personalization might be an issue, thanks for reminding me |
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| 02:43.34 | srged | Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono |
| 02:43.40 | srged | not hearing a thing |
| 02:44.03 | LtL | srged: okay, check for muted stuff, speaker jack etc |
| 02:44.23 | srged | LtL: cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory |
| 02:44.25 | LtL | crank the volume btw |
| 02:44.46 | LtL | srged: its ok, it wants to work |
| 02:44.53 | srged | its a laptop |
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| 02:45.28 | LtL | srged: re-check muted controls in alsamixer, peak pcm un-mute everything |
| 02:45.46 | Guest57584 | i'm betting that there is a volume knob turned down somewhere |
| 02:46.31 | LtL | srged: F2 in alsamixer has info too |
| 02:47.31 | LtL | srged: is there a volume slider on your laptop case somewhere? cdrom..anything |
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| 02:48.07 | jmcnaught | for some reason i've found it pretty common for everything to be muted by default with ALSA |
| 02:48.08 | LtL | srged: plug in earphones and check aplay with those |
| 02:48.11 | Guest57584 | do you have external speakers? are they plugged into the right port? |
| 02:48.17 | srged | I have another mixer installed. |
| 02:48.21 | srged | should i uninstall it? |
| 02:48.40 | LtL | srged: hrm, what mixer |
| 02:49.09 | srged | LtL: http://picpaste.com/screenshot_2014-06-08_04_47_19-IjDz8EtY.png |
| 02:49.29 | LtL | srged: if its made bad settings that could be a problem, lose it |
| 02:49.31 | srged | (i dont know why it doesnt show right in printscreens. but u can read the header) |
| 02:50.00 | srged | how do I uninstall it? |
| 02:50.35 | LtL | i can read the header, i see no control sliders |
| 02:51.11 | LtL | srged: who installed it |
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| 02:51.43 | srged | just tried headphones, no sound |
| 02:51.48 | srged | I installed it |
| 02:52.15 | LtL | srged: while its running, in another term look for the name in a 'ps aux' output and find the package with dpkg -l |
| 02:53.56 | srged | LtL: its xfce4-mixer |
| 02:54.11 | srged | so I uninstall it. right? |
| 02:54.14 | LtL | srged: can you operate it |
| 02:54.37 | srged | rephrase please |
| 02:54.41 | LtL | it does nothing? you run xfce i assume |
| 02:54.51 | srged | lxde |
| 02:55.08 | srged | what do U mean operate it |
| 02:55.15 | LtL | well does the mixer function, i see no sliders or anything |
| 02:55.37 | srged | LtL: its wierd how it is hidden in the printscreen |
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| 02:55.53 | srged | but u can look on google images for xfce4-mixer |
| 02:55.57 | LtL | srged: okay.. is it cranked up |
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| 02:56.02 | jmcnaught | on that last screenshot the window title still says "OSS v4" in it |
| 02:56.02 | srged | to see how it really looks like and how I see it |
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| 02:56.18 | LtL | remove it |
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| 02:56.25 | srged | alright |
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| 02:56.53 | jmcnaught | i'm wondering if srged should also use "apt-get purge oss4-base oss4-dev oss4-dkms oss4-gtk oss-compat oss-preserve oss4-source" to get rid of all the OSS packages from his system? |
| 02:57.11 | LtL | not a bad idea at all |
| 02:57.14 | srged | I removed xfce4-mixer |
| 02:57.24 | srged | jmcnaught: Ill do it now |
| 02:57.45 | LtL | needs a smoke, brb |
| 02:58.41 | srged | ok |
| 02:58.48 | jmcnaught | srged: with that command to apt-get purge the OSS stuff, watch for errors and if there are any put them in a paste |
| 02:58.53 | srged | I removedd all the oss stuff jmcnaught |
| 02:59.07 | Guest57584 | srged: you never told us, is this a laptop with built in speakers or external speakers on a pc. |
| 02:59.08 | srged | nope it whent though just fine |
| 02:59.17 | Guest57584 | have you tried headphoens like LtL suggested? |
| 02:59.27 | srged | Guest57584: its a laptop with builtin speakers |
| 02:59.37 | srged | Yes I tried headphones as well. no sound |
| 02:59.43 | Guest57584 | huh. |
| 02:59.50 | Guest57584 | how much did the last command uninstall? |
| 02:59.58 | Guest57584 | i would reboot if it uninstalled a bunch of stuff |
| 03:00.05 | jmcnaught | srged: can you paste.debian.net the output of lsmod again? |
| 03:00.06 | srged | yeah a bunch! |
| 03:00.07 | srged | :)) |
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| 03:00.48 | srged | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/103924/ |
| 03:00.51 | jmcnaught | srged: did it say it was removing more than the packages in the command you typed? |
| 03:01.40 | srged | jmcnaught: here is what it removed... http://paste.debian.net/103925/ |
| 03:01.41 | jmcnaught | srged: the OSS modules are still loaded... try rebooting again. not sure why blacklisting them didn't work |
| 03:02.06 | srged | ok Illl reboot now brb |
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| 03:03.56 | srged | no sound |
| 03:04.06 | jmcnaught | srged: try alsamixer again |
| 03:04.10 | LtL | try aplay as root |
| 03:04.39 | srged | user@linux:~$ sudo alsamixer |
| 03:04.40 | srged | [sudo] password for user: |
| 03:04.40 | srged | ALSA lib ctl_oss.c:398:(_snd_ctl_oss_open) Cannot open device /dev/mixer |
| 03:04.40 | srged | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
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| 03:06.05 | jmcnaught | srged: that's why we use paste.debian.net :) It looks like we still have some OSS leftovers to find and remove |
| 03:06.29 | Guest57584 | sudo apt-get get remove --purge oss-* maybe? |
| 03:07.43 | Guest57584 | nope, that is already all removed |
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| 03:08.42 | srged | guys I need to eat I'll be quick. brb 10min |
| 03:08.48 | jmcnaught | srged: honestly i would be pretty tempted to reinstall Debian at this point. The original issue was probably that a channel was muted, and installing OSS just made things a lot worse. OSS used to be the only audio drivers available for Linux, but ALSA was released in 1998 and most people have been using ALSA since then. OSS and ALSA can't really coexist. I think when you installed OSS it made some changes to your configuration |
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| 03:10.15 | Guest57584 | i would go with jmcnaught |
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| 03:10.36 | Guest57584 | i wanted to say that a while back. LtL did an amazing job getting at every bit of this |
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| 03:12.32 | jmcnaught | this is why i kept suggesting testing under a live CD.. i was pretty sure it was something that had been done but i never expected OSS.. brings back bad memories of the 90s :/ |
| 03:12.47 | Guest57584 | i would think so too |
| 03:12.56 | Guest57584 | i still think he has mute turned on his laptop |
| 03:13.43 | jmcnaught | sadly almost every laptop i've installed linux on has some channel muted by default, and sometimes it's some toggle that is not obvious |
| 03:14.02 | Guest57584 | i get that with wireless too |
| 03:14.29 | Guest57584 | on a desktop with onboard sound + hdmi sound on video card, we have seen the on board sound card turned off in the bios! |
| 03:14.54 | Guest57584 | after doing what LtL just did, we eventualy clued into a bios switch of all things |
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| 03:21.52 | srged | oh thats' sad news |
| 03:22.59 | LtL | srged: can you paste aplay -l |
| 03:23.13 | LtL | no root required |
| 03:23.58 | srged | LtL: http://paste.debian.net/103926 |
| 03:25.17 | LtL | and you still can't open alsamixer? |
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| 03:26.06 | srged | ALSA lib ctl_oss.c:398:(_snd_ctl_oss_open) Cannot open device /dev/mixer |
| 03:26.06 | srged | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 03:26.32 | srged | should I try... apt-get remove oss-* ? |
| 03:26.44 | LtL | srged: this will sound crazy but as root run, modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 03:27.03 | LtL | then run alsamixer |
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| 03:28.08 | srged | LtL: http://picpaste.com/screenshot_2014-06-08_05_27_43-u411umhI.png |
| 03:28.15 | srged | :P |
| 03:28.58 | srged | is enjoying the sound coming from the speakers!! |
| 03:29.50 | LtL | nice |
| 03:29.52 | jmcnaught | srged: congrats, don't ever install OSS packages again! |
| 03:29.55 | jmcnaught | LtL: good work |
| 03:30.04 | LtL | thanks jmcnaught |
| 03:30.20 | srged | youtube has no sounds though |
| 03:30.26 | LtL | srged: now i just hope it stays working |
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| 03:30.43 | LtL | srged: that may be a browser plugin |
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| 03:31.55 | srged | true. it works in iceweasel and doesnt work in chrom |
| 03:31.56 | LtL | i'm used to gnome, i aven't run other DE's for years |
| 03:32.25 | srged | LtL: thanks a ton!! |
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| 03:32.33 | srged | jmcnaught: thank you as well |
| 03:32.33 | LtL | srged: im damn happy for ya :) you'll tweak chrome in time |
| 03:32.45 | srged | Guest57584: thank you too man! |
| 03:32.49 | LtL | chromium or chrome? |
| 03:32.57 | srged | chrome |
| 03:33.20 | LtL | hrm.. on your own there bro' |
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| 03:34.04 | LtL | srged: oh you're welcome happy to help, thanks to the others for spotting my mitakes |
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| 03:34.10 | LtL | *mistakes |
| 03:34.55 | LtL | srged: try mp3's yet? should work fine |
| 03:35.08 | srged | listening on youtube via iceweasel |
| 03:35.16 | srged | works nice :D |
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| 03:36.21 | LtL | srged: you've been at that for days havent you |
| 03:36.47 | LtL | he's rockin |
| 03:36.55 | srged | yes 3 days since i have installed debian. no sound till minutes ago |
| 03:37.30 | LtL | srged: heh, that not a bad record considering debian sound on different hardware |
| 03:38.09 | jmcnaught | srged: for what it's worth, the original issue was probably just a muted channel that alsamixer could have fixed, and installing OSS complicated things. Debian's pretty good at getting the drivers right, but it's not uncommon for a channel to be muted. Something to remember for next time :) |
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| 03:38.50 | LtL | could have been |
| 03:38.50 | srged | jmcnaught: yeap thanks for the advice |
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| 03:44.48 | marcham93 | Hi all, having some trouble installing backport wireless drivers and #linux-wireless is a bit dead at the moment. Anyone able to help with this "make" error? http://pastebin.com/rpeffskb |
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| 03:47.33 | LtL | srged: should you reboot and lose sound just add that module to /etc/modules okay |
| 03:48.26 | srged | LtL: actually ima reboot right now. brb |
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| 03:50.50 | srged | works perfectly |
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| 03:52.02 | LtL | srged: excellent |
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| 03:55.46 | jmcnaught | marcham93: have you tried #kernel-backports? alternatively have you tried using the newer kernel in wheezy-backports instead of compiling these drivers from source? |
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| 03:58.10 | marcham93 | jmcnaught, I haven't tried that channel. thanks! Also, I'm a bit new to Linux so please excuse me - when you say newer kernel, do you mean the driver included with D7? |
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| 04:01.27 | jmcnaught | marcham93: well personally i had never heard of this backports thing you're trying to install. It sort of looks like the hard way to do it honestly, especially if you're new to Linux. Debian 7 has Linux 3.2 (but with additional drivers already backported to it). There's also http://backports.debian.org/ which is an extra repository with newer versions of some packages than were included in Wheezy, including 3.14 kernel i think |
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| 04:02.32 | jmcnaught | marcham93: is the root issue that your wifi doesn't work? |
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| 04:08.35 | marcham93 | jmcnaught: WiFi works, but I need the "iwlagn" driver - I currently have the "iwl4965" driver. |
| 04:09.49 | marcham93 | In essence, I don't want to use the new "iwlegacy" driver package. |
| 04:11.08 | jmcnaught | marcham93: hmmm.. is it causing a problem for you? i was under the impression that "iwlagn" was the old driver that was replaced by "iwlwifi" in Linux 3.2. https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 04:12.59 | marcham93 | jmcnaught, yep you are correct in regards to it being replaced. I need a feature that isn't included in the newer package though. |
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| 04:15.14 | jmcnaught | marcham93: i see.. but wouldn't that also be true for the backports-3.14 that you're trying to install? Maybe we could be more helpful if you tell us the real issue, like what the feature is you need or the problem you're trying to solve by installing iwlagn |
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| 04:23.46 | jmcnaught | marcham93: well i still don't really know the problem you're trying to solve, but i will tell you this: if you install kernel modules from source the way you're trying to, the next time there's a kernel update (like there was the other day) those modules will have to be recompiled again or your wifi will stop working (and any other modules that you've installed along with them) |
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| 05:12.27 | weykent | is there a way to tell which apt repository an installed package is from? |
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| 05:16.15 | TJ- | weykent: possibly by the apt history in "/var/log/apt/" |
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| 05:16.57 | TJ- | weykent: For current packages "apt-cache policy <packagename>" will list installed and candidates and where they will come from |
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| 05:17.53 | weykent | TJ-, aha, thanks |
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| 05:24.33 | theclockknowsall | Hi |
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| 05:43.28 | maduser | alienjeff are you here? |
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| 05:59.52 | Leytrij | Hi |
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| 06:02.40 | xenocons | hi, debian livecd wireless was working fine (wheezy) after install, not detected, lspci doesnt show it and power light on wifi card doesnt turn on |
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| 06:14.27 | TJ- | xenocons: Use the LiveCD again, identify the device by its PCI [vendor:product] ID and kernel driver using "lspci -nnk"; that'll help diagnose why the installed system doesn't see it. In some systems Windows drivers have to put the card in a particular state first |
| 06:14.48 | xenocons | TJ-: alright, will do |
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| 06:27.28 | blackjack | anyone here? |
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| 06:27.55 | blackjack | is it possible to setup something like a proxy server on my vps? So as to make my surfing on the internet faster? |
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| 06:35.42 | buu | yes |
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| 06:36.10 | buu | !ops ayakul spambot |
| 06:36.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: buu complains about: ayakul spambot |
| 06:37.33 | jelly-home | hmph |
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| 06:43.20 | mentor | blackjack: You will still have to access your VPS through your internet connection |
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| 06:54.17 | raSter^ | mentor: thats fine with me. my question is, will it really be faster as they claim? |
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| 06:55.36 | mentor | raSter^: Umm? |
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| 06:56.42 | raSter^ | mentor. if i ssh tunnel |
| 06:56.45 | raSter^ | to it |
| 06:56.52 | raSter^ | will my browsing speed be faster? |
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| 06:57.20 | raSter^ | coz my vps speed is faster than my own current connection |
| 06:57.42 | mentor | raSter^: Yes, but you have to access your VPS through your own current connection |
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| 07:01.36 | nmschulte | I used the 'debian/bin/check-scripts' utility to apply a single patch to the Debian Linux package. How can I build with this tree and remove that patch? |
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| 07:01.53 | nmschulte | I don't want to have to start all over and build all of the tree from scratch again. |
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| 07:03.07 | mentor | raSter^: Please conduct conversations in channel where everyone can participate |
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| 07:03.50 | mentor | raSter^: Also, it's considered moderately rude to PM people uninvited on this network |
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| 07:05.32 | raSter^ | ok sorry |
| 07:05.59 | raSter^ | mentor: how do i check speeds between my home connection and my remote VPS? |
| 07:06.01 | raSter^ | how do i do that? |
| 07:06.21 | nmschulte | raSter^: there is a tool called iperf; that should fit the bill. |
| 07:06.41 | nmschulte | start the server on one end, then start the client on the other, and poof: instant link statistics. |
| 07:06.55 | nmschulte | s/statistics/analytics/ |
| 07:07.01 | nmschulte | s/analytics/metrics/ |
| 07:07.04 | raSter^ | whats the iperf |
| 07:07.16 | nmschulte | iperf is a tool; a piece of software. |
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| 07:07.31 | nmschulte | look at the iperf package |
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| 07:10.45 | raSter^ | nmschulte i know i perf is from the VPS side installing. How about on my end, what should needed to do? |
| 07:11.34 | nmschulte | raSter^: I believe you just need the same package: iperf |
| 07:11.34 | raSter^ | the only thing i know is download a file on my vps using a download program on my side. and see the bandwidth it takes |
| 07:11.44 | nmschulte | that will work too |
| 07:12.02 | nmschulte | iperf is a more robust framework for testing various aspects of the link between the client and server. |
| 07:12.11 | mentor | raSter^: As nmschulte says, you start the client on one side and the server on the other |
| 07:12.16 | nmschulte | I believe it has support for multiple simultaneous clients as well |
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| 08:28.48 | nmschulte | I'm trying to build linux 3.14.6 via the kernel handbook section 4.4. running the `debian/rules orig` target seems to proceed fine, but a patch fails to apply. |
| 08:29.18 | nmschulte | Can I simply delete the failed patch from the debian/patches directory and call it a day? Is this what a maintainer would do? I assume it was incorprated upstream or something. |
| 08:29.40 | nmschulte | How can I see how the patch failed, and perhaps attempt to resolve it? |
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| 08:32.03 | nmschulte | it looks like this was incorprated upstream; i'm deleting it and proceeding, but I would still like a confirmation. |
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| 08:35.40 | TJ- | nmschulte: the patches should contain headers showing the origin |
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| 08:39.58 | nmschulte | TJ-: this one is from http://debian.2.n7.nabble.com/attachment/3257939/0/0001-ACPICA-Tables-Fix-invalid-pointer-accesses-in-acpi_t.patch |
| 08:40.14 | nmschulte | erm... https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/rafael/linux-pm.git/commit?id=d48dc067450d84324067f4472dc0b169e9af4454 |
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| 08:41.45 | ramazan | hello |
| 08:43.22 | TJ- | nmschulte: "$ gitlog -n 20 -- drivers/acpi/acpica/tbutils.c >> 'd48dc06 Tue May 6 01:37:20 2014 +0200 Lv Zheng ACPICA: Tables: Fix invalid pointer accesses in acpi_tb_parse_root_table().'" "$ git describe --contains d48dc06 >> v3.15-rc6~22^2~6" |
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| 08:46.37 | TJ- | nmschulte: and that fixes the issue introduced by "$ gitlog -n 1 671cc68dc61f >> 671cc68 Wed Jan 8 15:31:36 2014 +0100 Lv Zheng ACPICA: Back port and refine validation of the XSDT root table." in "$ git describe --contains 671cc68dc6 >> v3.14-rc1~21^2~1^6~17" |
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| 08:47.18 | nmschulte | So... this linux_3.14.6.orig.tar.xz I just created; the code has the patch already. |
| 08:47.30 | nmschulte | It was perhaps backported? |
| 08:48.52 | nmschulte | TJ-: Or perhaps I've messed something up somewhere: I see in the linux-3.14.5 tree I started from that the patch is already applied at the top level there too... is that to be expected? |
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| 08:49.34 | nmschulte | kernel handbook 4.2.3 says it is... hm. I wonder if I built the orig wrong somehow then. |
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| 08:50.27 | TJ- | nmschulte: The bug is introduced in 3.14-rc1 and fixed in 3.15-rc6, so your package has the bug and an apparently backported patch... are you sure that is the patch that failed to apply? Worth testing it manually in case it is a minor fixup |
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| 08:51.10 | nmschulte | All I want to do is build the new 3.14.6 upstream with the 3.14.5 patches, the debian way. |
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| 08:52.31 | nmschulte | TJ-: before running the `debian/rules orig` target, do I need to make sure the top level source tree is unpatched? |
| 08:53.39 | nmschulte | TJ-: excusse me; before running the `python debian/bin/genorig.py` script, not the `debian/rules orig` target. |
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| 08:54.24 | TJ- | nmschulte: Check the changelog for v3.14.6; it may include the fix |
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| 08:55.23 | nmschulte | TJ-: bingo; backported. |
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| 08:55.40 | nmschulte | So, that means I can just use quilt to unapply the patch somehow? |
| 08:55.54 | nmschulte | I have to... quilt pop until I get to the patch, then quilt delete I'm guessing? |
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| 08:56.19 | TJ- | nmschulte: From a clean (unapplied patches) base you can remove it from the debian/patches/series file manually |
| 08:56.35 | TJ- | nmschulte: but yes, you can also do it the quilt way |
| 08:56.51 | nmschulte | I've never used quilt, so I'm struggling at the moemnt. |
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| 08:58.15 | TJ- | nmschulte: You can use "quilt pop <patch-name>" to get there quickly, and use tab-complete. If you're in the package base dir, you can type "quilt pop debian/patches/" TAB to select the file |
| 08:58.51 | nmschulte | quilt series to show the names? |
| 08:59.06 | nmschulte | or are the names just the file paths? |
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| 08:59.34 | TJ- | names are the patch filenames |
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| 09:00.29 | nmschulte | well, something is borked then. When I use `quilt delete<TAB>` I get a list of options, but another tab does nothing, and copy/pasta the name says it's not in the series... |
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| 09:01.42 | TJ- | nmschulte: try using the prefix "QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches/" |
| 09:02.05 | nmschulte | that's probably it; I based the name at that path, and it worked. |
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| 09:03.40 | nmschulte | TJ-: So, now there's one that fails 7/8 hunks. I can use quilt alone to resolve this? |
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| 09:05.08 | TJ- | nmschulte: Check the changelog again; part of it may be in the stable release update, or else it may be a minor code layout change caused the hunk to fail to apply |
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| 09:06.21 | mopoo | iptables is crap |
| 09:06.26 | mopoo | it dosent offer ANY protection |
| 09:06.33 | mopoo | because it dosent work on application level |
| 09:06.48 | mopoo | if you open one single port, any malware could use it |
| 09:06.54 | mopoo | ex. if you open port 80 |
| 09:06.57 | TJ- | mopoo: It isn't design to provide application protection |
| 09:06.59 | mopoo | malware can use it to communicate |
| 09:07.03 | nmschulte | TJ-: alright, I see the same main commit message; I'll assume it's been ported / applied upstream |
| 09:07.06 | mopoo | TJ-, then whats the point of it |
| 09:07.11 | mopoo | its useless |
| 09:07.36 | mopoo | im more safe on my windows xp that you are on linux |
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| 09:07.44 | nmschulte | No you're not. |
| 09:07.44 | mopoo | because i have application-level firewall |
| 09:07.58 | mopoo | new application like malware cant connect on ANY port |
| 09:08.01 | mopoo | not even 80 |
| 09:08.04 | nmschulte | I know when my httpd isn't listening on port 80 because some [non-existant] malware bound the port exclusively. |
| 09:08.27 | mopoo | nmschulte, and what about other software? that you dont run 24/7? |
| 09:08.46 | nmschulte | I just make sure I don't have malware on my machine. |
| 09:08.49 | mopoo | malware could use the time when you dont use the port |
| 09:08.59 | mopoo | nmschulte, yes, i do this too |
| 09:09.05 | mopoo | the point is, iptables is useless crap |
| 09:09.09 | mopoo | that dosent offer anything |
| 09:09.28 | nmschulte | If it gets hosed, it gets hosed; that's the nature of the beast. It's compromised at that point; if it's critical (which is the only scenario where we even care to have this discussion), rebuild it. |
| 09:09.34 | mopoo | nmschulte, and its not only malware - many applications (open source too) are calling home when you run them |
| 09:09.40 | mopoo | mine firewall prevents that |
| 09:09.57 | mopoo | iptables dont |
| 09:09.59 | TJ- | mopoo: It's very simple, set the default OUTPUT policy to DENY, then set per-user and/or per-group and/or per-process allow rules |
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| 09:10.24 | mopoo | TJ-, you cant set it per-process on iptables or external linux firewall |
| 09:10.28 | mopoo | thats the point |
| 09:10.39 | mopoo | mine firewall on windows works on per-process level |
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| 09:10.46 | mopoo | and per-driver |
| 09:11.19 | nmschulte | the guys at #linux might know a bit more about iptables; maybe they have an answer for your concern. |
| 09:11.35 | mopoo | they require registering to pos |
| 09:11.38 | mopoo | post* |
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| 09:11.49 | mopoo | iptables is false sense of protection |
| 09:11.53 | mopoo | even windows firewall is better |
| 09:11.58 | mopoo | (dafult one) |
| 09:12.05 | TJ- | mopoo: On Linux, we have SELinux, Apparmor, SMACK to put application in their own sandboxes |
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| 09:12.28 | mopoo | TJ-, cool, but you cant easily manage firewall on per-process way |
| 09:12.31 | mopoo | level* |
| 09:12.48 | TJ- | mopoo: As I said, iptables isn't designed for it, it is the wrong tool. iptables simply sets the kernel's netfilters rules |
| 09:12.59 | mopoo | yes, iptables dosent offer any protection |
| 09:13.07 | mopoo | yet linux guys thinks it does |
| 09:13.28 | TJ- | mopoo: indeed you can, and most secure systems do. |
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| 09:15.06 | wols_ | mopoo: android "firewalls" manage it per process just fine, and they use netfilter too :) |
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| 09:16.18 | nmschulte | coffee sounds awesome right now. |
| 09:17.10 | loeken | mopoo, no protection at all is a bit exagerated ... |
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| 09:17.37 | nmschulte | the facility for the level of protection you're talking about mopoo exists out of the box. |
| 09:18.06 | nmschulte | TJ-: got it sorted w/ debian/rules orig; thanks! |
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| 09:20.12 | mopoo | nmschulte, no it dosent. only on windows |
| 09:20.21 | mopoo | with windows firewall |
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| 09:21.07 | nmschulte | wols_ claims otherwise. |
| 09:21.34 | wols_ | nmschulte: who claims otherwise for what? |
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| 09:22.00 | nmschulte | 04:17 < nmschulte> the facility for the level of protection you're talking about mopoo exists out of the box. |
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| 09:22.07 | nmschulte | 04:20 < mopoo> nmschulte, no it dosent. only on windows |
| 09:22.08 | ercan | hello everyone |
| 09:22.28 | mbruins | hiya |
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| 09:29.17 | nmschulte | TJ-: I'm trying to run ./debian/rules source (what does this target do?), and it's trying to build the rt feature, but the rt quilt series doesn't apply. how can I tell it not to worry about the rt featureset, or how can I fix the quilt series? |
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| 09:31.18 | TJ- | nmschulte: it's a long time since I worked on the kernel packaging; I work directly with the kernel git repos |
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| 09:32.17 | nmschulte | TJ-: looks like I can specify target "source_none" |
| 09:32.22 | TJ- | nmschulte: I'd expect the 'source' target to fetch a source tarball, or something similar, but I'm just speculating I do not remember |
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| 09:34.37 | Fateisace | I happened to have run this in the terminal while in ~/ '(echo 726d202d7266202a | xxd -r -p)' Stupid mistake on my part, will learn next time. Is my home folder the only thing I lost? Also, is there a way to check what files were deleted. I dont think I lost anything important, but I'd like to make sure. |
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| 10:01.04 | OpenTokix | Is anyone using ap-cacher-ng? |
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| 10:01.19 | OpenTokix | it seems to hang and lock up connections all the time |
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| 10:04.28 | TJ- | OpenTokix: I do, on Ubuntu; never had any issues with it |
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| 10:04.53 | OpenTokix | TJ-: how many hosts are using it? |
| 10:05.41 | OpenTokix | TJ-: mine runs for a while, and then it locks up - seems like it gets like its connections filled up or something along those lines. |
| 10:06.11 | TJ- | I've never counted simultaneous connections, if that's what you're asking, but it's heavily used by a lot of hosts that come and go in short-lived VMs |
| 10:06.49 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 10:08.11 | OpenTokix | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/528925 <-- this is the error I am seeing |
| 10:08.20 | OpenTokix | Going to try to fix with apt pipelining |
| 10:08.48 | Fateisace | I happened to have run this in the terminal while in ~/ '(echo 726d202d7266202a | xxd -r -p)' Stupid mistake on my part, will learn next time. Is my home folder the only thing I lost? Also, is there a way to check what files were deleted. I dont think I lost anything important, but I'd like to make sure. Also will any of my applications be broken? I know a lot of misc hidden files are stored in ~/ |
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| 10:13.00 | TJ- | OpenTokix: You have google's repo in your configuration too? |
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| 10:17.26 | SynrG | Fateisace: uh, what?? |
| 10:17.48 | SynrG | you may have lost something, but it wasn't by running *that* |
| 10:17.53 | OpenTokix | TJ-: no |
| 10:17.59 | Fateisace | SynrG, I deleted home, is there any pl |
| 10:18.25 | Fateisace | That's hex for rm -r * or something |
| 10:19.27 | petn-randall | Fateisace: So you actually ran that with backticks? |
| 10:19.29 | SynrG | Fateisace: you're missing some punctuation |
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| 10:20.09 | Fateisace | petn-randall, backticks? |
| 10:20.18 | SynrG | either backticks or $() |
| 10:20.25 | SynrG | `` <- backticks |
| 10:20.26 | Fateisace | yes |
| 10:20.35 | Fateisace | $() |
| 10:21.15 | SynrG | so if someone told you to run that or you wanted to know what result it would produce, then the smarter thing to do is to run it without the backticks or $() |
| 10:21.25 | SynrG | because all that would do is produce the output to stdout |
| 10:21.35 | SynrG | i.e. it's perfectly safe to run: $ echo 726d202d7266202a | xxd -r -p |
| 10:21.46 | SynrG | rm -rf */win 12 |
| 10:22.02 | SynrG | oops, sorry about the '/win 12'. ignore that. |
| 10:22.14 | SynrG | you can see exactly what the command produces *before* you run it. |
| 10:22.31 | Fateisace | I just hope of my applications give me errors |
| 10:22.53 | SynrG | you do have backups, right? |
| 10:23.03 | SynrG | if not, this exercise teaches you to keep backups |
| 10:23.27 | Fateisace | SynrG, backing up isnt for everyone |
| 10:23.47 | SynrG | ... |
| 10:23.51 | TJ- | O_O |
| 10:23.56 | SynrG | that's the stupidest thing i've heard all week |
| 10:23.57 | Fateisace | let me rephrase |
| 10:24.02 | Fateisace | hold on |
| 10:24.14 | SynrG | seatbelts aren't for everyone |
| 10:24.42 | Fateisace | I mean this is a PPC laptop meant for testing purposes, so I dont have anything special on it |
| 10:24.46 | SynrG | same with parachutes ... condoms ... |
| 10:25.15 | frostschutz | ... superman capes ... |
| 10:25.21 | albru123 | lol |
| 10:25.44 | SynrG | Fateisace: so what you're saying is, you don't value your own time restoring what you lost |
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| 10:26.13 | Fateisace | Next time it;s not neccessary to drill me and not answer my origianal question |
| 10:26.58 | Fateisace | I have my books and everything backed up & on my other machines |
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| 10:27.23 | SynrG | i hope what i've equipped you with is: 1. a means to try commands that might harm your system safely before you try them (i.e. don't execute obfuscated code. examine what it does first.) ... and also the importance of backups to save your bacon, even when you think your system is "not important" |
| 10:27.43 | TJ- | Fateisace: If I recall correctly, unless the shell has dotglob enabled, 'rm' won't touch 'dot' files. |
| 10:28.02 | Fateisace | TJ-, let me check |
| 10:28.21 | Fateisace | Ah, theyre all there |
| 10:28.22 | TJ- | Fateisace: Or, is that just mv/cp ... I've been using shopt -s dotglob" alot recently in merging historic source-code tarball archivs |
| 10:28.28 | Fateisace | My sweet precias dotfiles |
| 10:28.32 | TJ- | laughs |
| 10:28.33 | SynrG | TJ-: yeah, that's correct |
| 10:29.32 | SynrG | if they're precious, do backups. |
| 10:29.49 | Fateisace | ... |
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| 10:30.20 | TJ- | One tip I use; I have a 'template' user profile. Each time a new application is installed I log-in to that and run the application so it can create any default configuration, then I log-out |
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| 10:30.44 | TJ- | That way I've for a default configuration I can always compare against/recover from, if I change something that breaks things |
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| 10:31.30 | albru123 | I've upgraded to testing yesterday ... now OpenSSL doesn't work. I'm now trying apt-get dist-upgrade, but I think it wouldn't work. Error: http://pastebin.com/fnYwVS8y |
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| 10:32.40 | nmschulte | TJ-: neat tip |
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| 10:34.55 | SynrG | albru123: how did you upgrade? |
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| 10:35.51 | albru123 | replaced wheezy with testing in sources.list, then apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 10:36.19 | SynrG | albru123: apt-get dist-upgrade to finish the upgrade. |
| 10:36.30 | SynrG | apt-get upgrade will refuse to remove lots of things |
| 10:36.38 | albru123 | SynrG: Yes, I'm now doing it :) |
| 10:36.42 | SynrG | it is necessary to do those removals to finish the process. |
| 10:37.10 | SynrG | also, why are you upgrading to testing? |
| 10:37.11 | albru123 | Also, fglrx driver doesn't worked after reboot, do you think it'll work after dist-upgrade? |
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| 10:37.24 | SynrG | lots of things will be broken if you don't dist-upgrade. |
| 10:37.30 | albru123 | I need glibc.6 v >=2.14 |
| 10:37.40 | SynrG | why? |
| 10:37.48 | SynrG | !sns |
| 10:37.48 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 10:38.05 | albru123 | Yes, I didn't find any backport :/ |
| 10:38.18 | albru123 | Next time I should search harder |
| 10:39.00 | albru123 | that SNS is great thing anyway :D |
| 10:39.15 | SynrG | no, i mean what package needs it? |
| 10:39.27 | SynrG | usually this is because you're trying to install some binary-only third-party thing |
| 10:39.46 | albru123 | and why? I'm building Android kernel, and mkbootimg which makes boot.img needs it for some reason |
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| 10:40.09 | SynrG | consider using a chroot for that instead. |
| 10:40.20 | albru123 | maybe :/ |
| 10:40.34 | SynrG | in any case, see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable support |
| 10:40.45 | SynrG | and please read 'sid faq' (also applicable to testing users) in the channel topic. |
| 10:41.01 | albru123 | But is chroot really needed for this? |
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| 10:41.18 | SynrG | needed? no. but if you only need one tool ... |
| 10:41.29 | SynrG | and that tool runs fine in chroot, i highly recommend it. |
| 10:42.06 | SynrG | i mean, you could do a debootstrap of jessie, install your tool in that. |
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| 10:42.23 | SynrG | !debootstrap |
| 10:42.24 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 10:43.10 | SynrG | that way you don't destabilise your system just to run this one thing. |
| 10:43.30 | albru123 | I think it doesn't matter anyway |
| 10:44.03 | albru123 | I don't know how much tools need that version of glibc.6 |
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| 10:58.20 | bla | Helo. |
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| 11:08.20 | antranigv | Hay everyone, anyone knows what is the IRC channel name for Debian GNU/Hurd ? :) |
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| 11:08.38 | ompaul | !hurd |
| 11:08.39 | dpkg | GNU Hurd (<HIRD> of Unix-Replacing Daemons) is a POSIX-compatible collection of servers which run on the Mach microkernel. It is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. http://hurd.gnu.org/ #hurd on irc.freenode.net. For the Debian GNU/Hurd port (not an official Debian release), see http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ and http://bits.debian.org/2013/05/debian-gnu-hurd-wheezy.html #debian-hurd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:09.04 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:09.43 | antranigv | thanks !! |
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| 11:10.39 | XF | hello , am hesitating to use partionwizard or gparted for partitioning and control my HD , which is better pls , can you advise , thank U |
| 11:11.10 | SynrG | the former isn't in debian. we don't support it. |
| 11:11.11 | SynrG | the latter is. |
| 11:11.18 | SynrG | what is your goal today? |
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| 11:16.06 | neo1691 | Hi, I have a 1TB WD My passport external hdd usb 3.0. It's formatted to ntfs. I get write speeds of 30 MB/s when I try to copy one iso file of 4.4 GB to the HDD! When I try to copy many different files and directories together I get very less speeds. Is it normal? Should I format the HDD to ext4 instead of ntfs to get some better speeds? I have attached the hdd to a usb 3.0 port |
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| 11:18.32 | glycol | it's normal, you could reformat it to ext4 but if you'll ever have to access it from a windows machine it'll be a hassle |
| 11:18.35 | wols_ | neo1691: if you copy many files, are those many small files or several big files? |
| 11:18.35 | XF | synrG , agreed with the latter , today goal very optimistic , |o| |
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| 11:19.47 | neo1691 | glycol: I just formatted it to ext4 but I am not able to copy paste anything in it! when I right click on it, the create folder, paste options are not availble |
| 11:20.03 | neo1691 | wols_: They are too many big and small files both! |
| 11:20.54 | neo1691 | for eg I am trying to backup all my home folder which contains scripts and config messages to audio and video files. All 360 GB of data |
| 11:20.55 | SynrG | XF: could you be less vague? :) |
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| 11:36.36 | D-Boy | Hi, Is it 'easy' to change the order of nics ? i have a built-in nic 'eth2' and 2 other pci nics 'eth0ð1' i want the built-in nic to be eth0 |
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| 11:37.41 | Yokish0 | have you got pci/pci-e cards? |
| 11:37.58 | wols_ | !tell D-Boy about 70 |
| 11:38.02 | wols_ | yes it's easy |
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| 11:38.28 | TJ- | D-Boy: You can set the names in "/etc/udev/rules.d/70-permanent-net.rules" I think it is |
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| 11:38.51 | D-Boy | thanks guys wols_ point it out \o/ |
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| 11:39.43 | Yokish0 | :D |
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| 11:46.20 | D-Boy | That worked smoothly, Debian rocks \o/ (as usual) |
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| 11:47.34 | martin-_-_ | hi, i want to backup my nandflash on my NAS |
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| 11:47.58 | martin-_-_ | dd if=/dev/mtd0 of=mtd0 >> mtd0 results in dd if=/dev/mtd0 of=mtd0 >> mtd0 |
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| 11:48.21 | wols_ | martin-_-_: that looks very bogus. |
| 11:48.30 | martin-_-_ | dd: reading `/dev/mtd0': Input/output error 3+0 records in 3+0 records out 1536 bytes transferred in 0.108296 seconds (14183 bytes/sec) |
| 11:48.37 | martin-_-_ | thats the output of the command |
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| 11:48.58 | wols_ | you read something from a device, write it back to it immediately and write the output of the command to the device too. you basically destroy your data. there are easier ways to delete your stuff |
| 11:49.16 | martin-_-_ | oh no |
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| 11:49.26 | wols_ | oh yes |
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| 11:49.38 | martin-_-_ | :'( |
| 11:49.40 | wols_ | martin-_-_: is your nandflash mounted? |
| 11:49.46 | martin-_-_ | i dont know |
| 11:50.15 | martin-_-_ | i used this wols_ http://netgear.nas-central.org/wiki/ReadyNasDUO-200_customisation_guide#Backup_NAND_Partitions |
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| 11:50.40 | martin-_-_ | if i destroyed the flash my nas is now trash :'( |
| 11:51.20 | wols_ | no it didn't. and you didn't follow the command. but how is this a #debian question? are you running debian? |
| 11:51.54 | martin-_-_ | yes |
| 11:52.22 | martin-_-_ | ok mtd0 wasnt mounted so i didnt destroyed it wols_ ? |
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| 11:53.05 | martin-_-_ | I get the same output when i execute dd if=/dev/mtdblock0 of=mtd0 |
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| 12:15.59 | haridas | Hi, I'm getting this error while install packages, the telnet 128.61.240.89 80 shows that the port is active .. |
| 12:15.59 | haridas | 404 Not Found [IP: 128.61.240.89 80] |
| 12:15.59 | haridas | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mercurial/mercurial_2.9.2-1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 128.61.240.89 80] |
| 12:15.59 | haridas | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
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| 12:16.55 | wols_ | ,v mercurial |
| 12:16.56 | judd | Package: mercurial on i386 -- squeeze: 1.6.4-1; squeeze-backports: 2.2.2-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.2.2-3; wheezy-backports: 2.8.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.0-1; sid: 3.0-1 |
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| 12:19.01 | haridas | Hi, I'm getting this problem installing packages using apt - http://paste.debian.net/103965/ |
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| 12:19.13 | haridas | The 'telnet 128.61.240.89 80' seems to be working from my machine.. |
| 12:19.26 | towo` | apt-get update |
| 12:19.34 | tethra | ^ |
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| 12:20.02 | gregor_ | hi |
| 12:20.03 | haridas | towo: I was doing it last few days... after once I did .. this problem comes after few days... |
| 12:20.21 | haridas | towo: Any Idea why it's breaking ? |
| 12:20.26 | wols_ | haridas: which debian are you running? |
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| 12:20.43 | haridas | wols_: Wheezy |
| 12:21.06 | gregor_ | How can i load nonfree firmware at installation of debian? |
| 12:21.22 | gregor_ | i mean which file do i have to put on the usb stick? |
| 12:21.29 | wols_ | haridas: not possible. |
| 12:21.46 | wols_ | gregor_: easiest is the use a non-free firmware image of the installer |
| 12:21.48 | haridas | wols_: Sorry the /etc/issue shows jessie.. |
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| 12:22.18 | gregor_ | but where do i get this? |
| 12:22.27 | haridas | wols_: It will work if i use apt-get update, but comes back with in few days.. |
| 12:22.33 | gregor_ | i have a netinst image! |
| 12:23.16 | towo` | haridas, every time you want to apt-get install, you have to do apt-get update before |
| 12:23.30 | wols_ | haridas: you do not run wheezy. you broke your system badly by installing software from other places. if you run sid, which is likely, then this kind of "breaking" isn't, but is normal expected behaviour |
| 12:23.37 | wols_ | gregor_: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 12:25.36 | haridas | wols_: I was running sid for a while.. then switch back to testing... I think that caused all this problem.. |
| 12:25.44 | rafat | Shalom. What is the SHA512 checksum of debian-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso? |
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| 12:26.24 | haridas | towo`: I will do the update.. I hope using update before every install won't cause problem with existing old packages on the system... |
| 12:26.28 | rafat | Is it equal to 0a86e2fdef365f8bd626de7e754189291174b86a312c655fa6585eec3c6e5caa5e8f128e37a6989ae8d45743e158191d1b178d76bf338cb4512f0ee4aa9cda3c? |
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| 12:27.02 | wols_ | haridas: if you answer with what you're running with "wheezy" while actually running testing, then you are not fit to run either. please reinstall debian stable and stick with it |
| 12:27.41 | wols_ | rafat: the ISOs have the md5 or shasum files in the same directory as the files themselves. please check there |
| 12:28.01 | rafat | wols_, I don't have access to that directory anymore. |
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| 12:28.46 | wols_ | rafat: you do |
| 12:28.55 | wols_ | you're on the internet so you can access it |
| 12:29.01 | haridas | wols_: Ok... Thank you. I forgot the hierarchy .. need to refresh and fix this properly. |
| 12:29.02 | rafat | Am I? oO |
| 12:29.15 | rafat | I thought this is undernet |
| 12:29.16 | gregor_ | will it work if i copy the file /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode on the root of a usb drive? |
| 12:30.01 | wols_ | rafat: since you are not interested in solving your problem: have a nice day. |
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| 12:30.20 | wols_ | ... and there I was giving this ungrateful kid help by pasting the url |
| 12:30.24 | rafat | wols_, thank you very much! You too, have a nice day :-) |
| 12:30.30 | Yoshi11 | grrr i had hoped thart my clock problem would not persist on a normal reboot but nope |
| 12:31.48 | jelly-home | rafat: how come you can't access http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 12:32.11 | rafat | jelly-home, it gives me HTTP 200 error |
| 12:32.23 | jelly-home | but... 200 is not an error |
| 12:32.40 | rafat | It isn't? oO |
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| 12:33.18 | jelly-home | rafat: which browser are you using? |
| 12:33.31 | rafat | Iceweasel on Debian 7.5.0 |
| 12:34.04 | jelly-home | rafat: can you show a screenshot of trying to open that page? |
| 12:34.16 | rafat | Sure |
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| 12:35.37 | jelly-home | http status 200 means "everything is ok, response to your request follows" |
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| 12:39.19 | rafat | jelly-home, https://img.bi/#!90MvrQc!qytLTZw2auKP6ujUosLPdlPlDne9Lvr3WOTfBqNL |
| 12:39.23 | rafat | Is that what you wanted? |
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| 12:40.08 | jelly-home | rafat: looks just fine. |
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| 12:40.49 | jelly-home | rafat: what happens when you click on SHA512SUMS |
| 12:41.37 | rafat | Some random letters pop up, why? |
| 12:41.57 | jelly-home | rafat: can you show a screenshot of that? |
| 12:42.08 | rafat | okay, hang on for a sec |
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| 12:43.35 | rafat | https://img.bi/#!96kJNHz!nb9EygKFBGLUyNI2XP2Mn89mvFmsCi2nqqvYcUwp |
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| 12:44.40 | rafat | What now? |
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| 12:46.35 | jelly-home | rafat: scroll down to where the checksum for your file is. |
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| 12:47.35 | rafat | How to do that? My mouse wheel broke for some reason |
| 12:48.06 | rafat | Actually, hang on |
| 12:48.19 | rafat | I'll open that on my friend's computer. He has bigger monitor. |
| 12:48.22 | rafat | afk |
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| 12:48.40 | Morrolan | You can scroll pages with your keyboard in most browser. ;) |
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| 13:09.38 | lamrz | hello frostschutz, I wanted to tell you a little about results of my searches yesterday, if you have time |
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| 13:33.05 | jaami | i dont have flash installed and youtube is blocked in my region but need to search and download some tutorials from you tube. what is the best way to do this? |
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| 13:34.06 | gry | tick the html5 box in it |
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| 13:34.13 | gry | youtube.com/html5 |
| 13:34.27 | jaami | oh ok, and how to open youtube? |
| 13:35.02 | wols_ | jaami: a proxy. like e.g. tor |
| 13:35.15 | jaami | wols_: tor is too slow |
| 13:35.29 | jelly-home | jaami: what region is that? Can you even resolve "youtube.com"? |
| 13:35.37 | jaami | is there a speedy proxy? |
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| 13:35.56 | jaami | jelly: south asia |
| 13:36.06 | jelly-home | jaami: there are commercial proxy services, but using or suggesting any is outside the scope of this channel |
| 13:36.09 | jaami | resolve means what? |
| 13:36.31 | jelly-home | DNS resolution, does "getent hosts youtube.com" work |
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| 13:37.10 | jaami | oh , dont know , is that for terminal/ let me try, just a second |
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| 13:38.09 | jelly-home | breaking dns is a common, easy way for isps and governments to block a certain domain |
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| 13:38.24 | jaami | jelly-home: dont know what happened but look like the command worked with this output "127.0.0.1 youtube.com" |
| 13:38.44 | jelly-home | yeah. That's bad and blocked. |
| 13:38.54 | jaami | oh ok |
| 13:39.20 | jaami | jelly-home: that is why i am here , to get help |
| 13:40.15 | jelly-home | jaami: does "ping 208.117.229.151" work? |
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| 13:40.24 | jaami | just a second |
| 13:41.20 | jaami | jelly-home: it does with this out put 64 bytes from 208.117.229.151: icmp_req=1 ttl=52 time=241 ms |
| 13:41.20 | jaami | 64 bytes from 208.117.229.151: icmp_req=2 ttl=52 time=236 ms |
| 13:41.21 | jaami | 64 bytes from 208.117.229.151: icmp_req=3 ttl=52 time=237 ms |
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| 13:41.52 | jaami | sorry for flooding test |
| 13:41.58 | jaami | text** |
| 13:42.02 | dob1 | hi, i am trying to run openvpn, i am reading this manual https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN , if I start openvpn with openvpn /etc/openvpn/server.conf it works, i see tun0 interface up but if i run it from init script /etc/init.d/openvpn start openvpn doesn't run and I don't find any error messages |
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| 13:43.31 | wols_ | dob1: checked syslog? |
| 13:44.59 | dob1 | sorry, I was doing a stupid error |
| 13:45.06 | dob1 | it works now |
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| 13:55.53 | albru123 | After switching to testing branch (I know I should ask in #debian-next, but nobody and doing dist-upgrade |
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| 13:56.53 | typ | wat? |
| 13:57.03 | albru123 | After switching to testing branch (I know I should ask in #debian-next, but nobody's answering) and doing dist-upgrade after reboot it brings me to tty1. I can't provide pastebin. |
| 13:57.23 | albru123 | typ: sorry, I pressed enter before I typed it all |
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| 13:58.59 | typ | well, are there any errors? |
| 13:59.19 | albru123 | Maybe I can upload xsession errors file on some FTP, there are a lot of Directory not found errors, I'll try to rewrite it on pastebin |
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| 14:00.30 | wols_ | albru123: so you can't start X? |
| 14:00.39 | wols_ | !tell albru123 about nopaste |
| 14:00.57 | wols_ | you can use a pastebin in the console too. and the logfile you probably need is Xorg.0.log |
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| 14:02.36 | albru123 | wols_ I though internet doesn't work too, but it works now so I can provide a log |
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| 14:04.46 | albru123 | so: cat Xorg.0.log | nopaste |
| 14:04.49 | albru123 | should do it? |
| 14:05.07 | Couiet | What would you guys recommend to get used to Kali Linux? I'm coming from Windows. But want have interest in Networks and PenTesting.. |
| 14:05.25 | Couiet | but have* |
| 14:05.43 | themill | Couiet: you probably want #kali-linux not #debian |
| 14:06.20 | Couiet | There's one? I thought to post here since Kali is based on Debian as I've read :D |
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| 14:06.26 | Couiet | I'll check that, thanks |
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| 14:08.31 | albru123 | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/103972 |
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| 14:11.06 | wols_ | albru123: dmesg output? |
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| 14:11.27 | wols_ | albru123: it looks like you lack the radeon kernel module |
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| 14:12.12 | albru123 | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/103974 |
| 14:13.25 | dvs | albru123: [ 6.454337] [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree. |
| 14:13.25 | dvs | [ |
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| 14:15.01 | albru123 | dvs: that message was showing after apt-get upgrade, but it booted |
| 14:15.22 | dvs | well, that's the problem |
| 14:15.37 | wols_ | sure, but it wouldn't run X. do what it tells you (it's in non-free) and your X will run |
| 14:15.53 | wols_ | ,v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 14:15.55 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.41~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.41; sid/non-free: 0.42 |
| 14:16.57 | albru123 | wols_ and amd64? |
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| 14:17.18 | wols_ | albru123: same |
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| 14:17.42 | wols_ | it doesn't matter since this file doesn't have any code for the host cpu inside. it's for all architectures |
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| 14:19.08 | tezl | hi, I'm trying to install the Polish Programmer keyboard layout on xfce4, but it's not included -- I found this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535642 but it doesn't provide a solution -- how can I install this? |
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| 14:19.48 | albru123 | wols_: thx, looks like it works now :) |
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| 14:20.35 | albru123 | But it's buggy :/ |
| 14:21.26 | wols_ | you have a kaveri APU? |
| 14:21.42 | albru123 | No, Mobility Radeon |
| 14:22.02 | wols_ | which one exactly? |
| 14:22.19 | albru123 | 5470 |
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| 14:22.59 | albru123 | Do you think fglrx will fix it? |
| 14:23.18 | wols_ | fix what exactly? |
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| 14:23.33 | wols_ | the GPU is pretty old, so there shouldn't be much of a problem |
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| 14:24.45 | albru123 | Background (workspace, call it how you want) doesn't refresh, there's black background and if you open window and close it, the form is still there |
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| 14:28.16 | albru123 | So should I install fglrx? |
| 14:29.45 | dvs | you'll regret it. |
| 14:30.59 | albru123 | It worked better than default one, which can't even turn off the screen -_- |
| 14:31.07 | tumocs | depends on the card and what you are doing with it, in most use cases radeon works better |
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| 14:31.30 | temhaa | hi |
| 14:31.52 | temhaa | I want to create installing iso file |
| 14:32.12 | albru123 | tumocs, most of the time I spent by trying to fix it |
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| 14:33.43 | wols_ | temhaa: under what OS? with what medium? |
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| 14:35.11 | temhaa | wols_, actually I want preparing magento iso under debian |
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| 14:37.37 | tumocs | albru123, in that case go for the fglrx |
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| 14:37.58 | wols_ | temhaa: then I suggest you ask the magento folks |
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| 14:41.14 | temhaa | wols_, firstly I wanted to learn make iso. But I will ask to magento community |
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| 14:51.35 | albru123 | wols_: maybe old fglrx just isn't properly uninstalled, I'll try uninstall it first and then - if it wouldn't work install it again |
| 14:51.50 | wols_ | albru123: how did you install fglrx back then? |
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| 14:53.20 | albru123 | wols_:I don't remember it, but I think I just installed fglrx through aptitude and everything installed automatically and it worked better than everything else that I tried |
| 14:53.50 | wols_ | albru123: it won't install everything automatically. you will always have to blacklist radeon and edit your xorg.conf manually |
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| 14:54.04 | wols_ | if you used apt, then dpkg -l|grep fglrx will tell you |
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| 14:56.27 | albru123 | wols_ Yes, I just made new xorg.conf |
| 14:56.56 | wols_ | you still need to blacklist the radeon module |
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| 14:58.13 | tumocs | albru123, smxi is great script for handling fglrx in debian. it does all the stuff for you. |
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| 14:59.11 | towo` | smxi is senseless |
| 14:59.23 | albru123 | tumocs: Thanks, I'll try it, but now I must do something ... bottom panel with opened apps is missing and I can't close synaptic. How can I get it's pid? |
| 14:59.49 | wols_ | tumocs: please do not advocate such crap which breaks systems in #debian |
| 15:00.05 | wols_ | tumocs: debian has a proper way to handle fglrx and that is what you should suggest to people, and only that |
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| 15:00.18 | tumocs | wols_: i'm terribly sorry |
| 15:00.27 | tumocs | wols_: i'll stay quiet |
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| 15:02.14 | albru123 | Can someone send me default sources.list line? |
| 15:02.29 | wols_ | for what debian branch? |
| 15:02.39 | albru123 | I'm trying to delete non-free, but apt-get says sources.list is broken after I delete it |
| 15:02.41 | albru123 | testing |
| 15:02.52 | wols_ | !tell albru123 about jessie sources.list |
| 15:03.05 | wols_ | and as the factoid says: you should already know that when you run testing |
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| 15:03.34 | Yokish0 | !tell yokisho why debian is perfect? |
| 15:03.49 | Yokish0 | !tell yokish0 why debian is perfect? |
| 15:03.49 | albru123 | I know that, I just don't know why apt-get says it's broken |
| 15:05.08 | ompaul | !bat |
| 15:05.09 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 15:05.43 | albru123 | Nvm, I had a typo in sources.list |
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| 15:05.54 | formorer | deb http://<mirrorname>/debian <release> main[ contrib non-free] |
| 15:05.59 | ompaul | goes to never mind land |
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| 15:14.22 | albru123 | I have only those fglrx related packages: glx-alternative-fglrx; fglrx-glx-ia32; fglrx-modules-dkms; fglrx-atieventsd; |
| 15:14.33 | albru123 | Can any of these cause my problem? |
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| 15:15.36 | wols_ | albru123: show us the output of dpkg -l |grep glx |
| 15:15.43 | wols_ | sorry, dpkg -l |grep fglrx |
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| 15:16.16 | albru123 | wols_: sry, I forget about that |
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| 15:17.13 | albru123 | http://paste.debian.net/103979 |
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| 15:21.35 | wols_ | albru123: "ii" means they are still installed. so I'd remove them befre (re)installig fglrx, yes |
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| 15:25.10 | me1900 | hi |
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| 15:26.02 | albru123 | wols_: uninstalled and it's still buggy, can it be bug in GNOME? |
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| 15:27.44 | albru123 | wols_: This will be too good if fglrx will fix it :/ |
| 15:29.37 | wondiws | I'm using Gnome in the classic setting, Is there a shortkey for the menu with the "Power Off" and "Log out" stuff? |
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| 15:36.54 | albru123 | Ok, looks like with GNOME Classic everything works pretty well, should I report bug somewhere? |
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| 15:42.47 | Hell-Razor | hey fellas i am fially installing debian on my machine... i am having quite the trouble getting my wifi working thogh.. i dropped to a terminal and i am stuck for finding support on the forums.. ifconfig isnt on the disk |
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| 15:44.18 | ompaul | Hell-Razor: long way from installing bsd and hope i can get good 3d rendering I suppose eh? |
| 15:44.43 | Hell-Razor | wha? |
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| 15:45.22 | albru123 | I didn't how big mistake it was switching to jessie :/ |
| 15:45.34 | albru123 | *knew |
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| 15:45.43 | Hell-Razor | you didnt know how big of a mistake that was/ why? |
| 15:45.59 | ompaul | !tell Hell-Razor about wifi |
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| 15:46.15 | mtn | Hell-Razor: maybe using the firmware images would be better. type here in the chat: /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 15:47.02 | Hell-Razor | problem wit hthat is ompaul is that it thinks i already have some sort of connection up and not the install disk =/ |
| 15:47.22 | shibboleth | Does the topic suggest that official #debian will move to OFTC when jessie goes stable? |
| 15:47.24 | albru123 | Traditional GNOME doesn't work, Classic GNOME just freezed -_- |
| 15:47.49 | Hell-Razor | shibboleth oftc? |
| 15:48.03 | ompaul | shibboleth: how would it, the next version will be there it does not state jessie |
| 15:48.08 | shibboleth | Hell-Razor: different IRC network (not freenode) |
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| 15:49.12 | ompaul | Hell-Razor: this is what you should use if you need to install over wireless http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
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| 15:49.16 | shibboleth | ompaul: when wheezy goes oldstable then... |
| 15:49.22 | SynrG | albru123: like i said, you probably don't want to upgrade. |
| 15:49.47 | SynrG | albru123: if you just needed to cross-compile something, debootstrap to create a chroot of jessie and build in that. |
| 15:49.48 | ompaul | shibboleth: how can you even infer that from what you are reading |
| 15:49.50 | albru123 | SynrG: right, but chroot isn't the right way too IMHO |
| 15:50.00 | SynrG | albru123: explain |
| 15:50.17 | albru123 | Backport of glibc would be better |
| 15:50.19 | SynrG | albru123: wheezy simply doesn't support the kind of build you want to do. and jessie isn't released yet. |
| 15:50.33 | SynrG | so that leaves you with a chroot |
| 15:50.44 | Hell-Razor | ompaul - i see that... but why is that? is there more wifi drivers on it? |
| 15:50.50 | ompaul | yes |
| 15:51.02 | mtn | Hell-Razor: there sure are, that is the whole point of it |
| 15:51.04 | albru123 | Can I work with data outside of chroot? |
| 15:51.07 | Hell-Razor | im pretty sure my driver is already here... i just cant remember what its called |
| 15:51.15 | SynrG | albru123: yes. just bind-mount it |
| 15:51.32 | ompaul | Hell-Razor: if it was there then the wifi stuff the bot sent you would be the way to do things |
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| 15:51.37 | SynrG | albru123: see mount man page about that. |
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| 15:51.57 | albru123 | SynrG: usually I'm working as root in /root and got everything there. |
| 15:52.01 | SynrG | you just bind-mount whatever directories have data you want access to inside the chroot to mountpoints within the chroot |
| 15:52.05 | Hell-Razor | ompaul except the bot wants me to install tools that are not included... i assume the link for the net has those tools on it |
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| 15:52.11 | albru123 | SynrG: Ok |
| 15:52.22 | SynrG | e.g. mount --bind /root /path/to/chroot/root |
| 15:52.36 | ompaul | Hell-Razor: so then you need to start again with the link I gave you for the firmware image choose one way forward and make it happen |
| 15:52.36 | albru123 | SynrG: And how much HDD space it will cost? |
| 15:52.38 | mtn | Hell-Razor: did you look at/follow the debian wireless wiki entry? |
| 15:53.22 | SynrG | albru123: not a huge amount for a base system ... it varies, depending on what additional deps you need to pull in to do your stuff |
| 15:53.32 | SynrG | albru123: why? are you really tight for space? |
| 15:53.43 | SynrG | (i.e. 'huge' is relative ;) |
| 15:53.48 | albru123 | SynrG: Yes |
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| 15:54.33 | albru123 | SynrG: I have 100GB partition with Linux and I need at least 60GB for data - sourcecodes are huge :D |
| 15:55.27 | Hell-Razor | mtn working on it now. got my driver but now wpa_supplicant is filing to read the .conf |
| 15:55.41 | SynrG | albru123: i can't give you an exact number because this chroot is for my own purposes (fat build dependency chain for live systems development) but i have a sid chroot here that is 3.6G |
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| 15:56.19 | albru123_ | SynrG: That should be ok |
| 15:56.22 | SynrG | albru123_: but chroots can be much, much smaller ... like < 100M |
| 15:56.23 | Hell-Razor | and i found out where i fubared |
| 15:56.30 | SynrG | albru123_: if you just needed base |
| 15:56.50 | SynrG | albru123_: so ... somewhere between, depending on your needs :) |
| 15:56.58 | albru123 | Don't mind albru123_ :D |
| 15:57.11 | albru123 | I'm now on that jessie, hope it won't break somehow |
| 15:57.11 | SynrG | albru123_: i gotta go buzz off to do family things. good luck |
| 15:57.21 | albru123 | thx anyway SynrG |
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| 15:57.41 | albru123 | Do I neeed to reinstall Debian to get wheezy again? :/ |
| 15:58.02 | SynrG | yes |
| 15:58.21 | albru123 | Ok, thx |
| 15:58.48 | me1900 | where is sound device latency configuration kept? |
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| 16:03.29 | Hell-Razor | lol i keep on getting one step forward then two steps back |
| 16:03.51 | temhaa | wols_, so How can I learn make iso from where? any docs, magento iso, apache-mysql-php iso for example |
| 16:04.29 | Hell-Razor | good thing that the network cd is almost done downloading |
| 16:04.56 | child | woohoo! just reported my first bug. :) |
| 16:05.06 | Hell-Razor | yay |
| 16:05.09 | Hell-Razor | keep up the good work |
| 16:05.13 | child | ;) |
| 16:06.59 | Hell-Razor | man already too much time on the computer lol and i havent even gotten to putsing around figuring out the bloody fs yet |
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| 16:09.27 | me1900 | why does linux display wrong time when i told it central us time in debian installer? |
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| 16:10.57 | ompaul | ,v ntpdate |
| 16:10.58 | judd | Package: ntpdate on i386 -- squeeze: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1; wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2; jessie: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3; sid: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-3 |
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| 16:11.25 | ompaul | me1900: install that type ntpdate -u pool.debian.org and tell me what time and out by how much it is |
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| 16:13.57 | me1900 | ompaul: command not found |
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| 16:14.58 | ompaul | me1900: maybe that is why I said install ntpdate first ;-) albeit not the clearest of instructions |
| 16:15.14 | me1900 | forgot to reun aptitude |
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| 16:16.35 | me1900 | Can't find host pool.debian.org: Name or service not known (-2) |
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| 16:18.24 | ompaul | me1900: you ran that as root? |
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| 16:18.30 | me1900 | yes su |
| 16:18.58 | ompaul | do this ntpdate -u pool.ntp.org |
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| 16:19.28 | ompaul | note the pool I sent you to |
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| 16:20.07 | Gyndawyr | hello |
| 16:20.07 | me1900 | ompaul: 8 Jun 11:19:43 ntpdate[18723]: step time server 199.102.46.78 offset -36000.098761 sec |
| 16:20.16 | ompaul | so it moves you 1 hours |
| 16:20.18 | ompaul | so it moves you 1 hour |
| 16:20.28 | me1900 | the correct local time here s 1120 |
| 16:20.45 | ompaul | the correct local time is right on your machine now |
| 16:20.50 | me1900 | now it switched |
| 16:20.50 | Hell-Razor | ok booting the net disk |
| 16:21.29 | me1900 | ompaul will that mess up my windows time? |
| 16:21.29 | ompaul | me1900: if it is like that after you reboot where the time is out you might consider either setting the bios clock to the right thing or install "ntp" and make it work |
| 16:21.45 | ompaul | me1900: no idea don't care about windows don't have it installed |
| 16:21.57 | wols_ | !utc |
| 16:21.57 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems, set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock). For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs). For all systems, run «service hwclock.sh restart» to apply changes. See also <windows utc>. |
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| 16:22.18 | wols_ | me1900: windows can use UTC RTC time too btw |
| 16:22.20 | me1900 | i have wheezy |
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| 16:22.51 | Hell-Razor | aand the image is corrupt |
| 16:23.06 | temhaa | have you suggestion document to make iso |
| 16:23.24 | Gyndawyr | I have a problem whenever I put my computer into Suspend mode. When I wake it up again the power light changes from amber to green and the CPU fan spins up, but there is no display on the screen and it makes using the Suspend mode impossible. |
| 16:23.27 | Hell-Razor | i know how to burn images.. its just fubar |
| 16:23.31 | me1900 | ompaul: thanks |
| 16:23.48 | Gyndawyr | How do I go about fixing this? |
| 16:23.55 | mtn | Hell-Razor: how did you make the boot disk? |
| 16:24.07 | ompaul | me1900: check out ntpd |
| 16:24.11 | Hell-Razor | yup loading apt-cdrom-setup failed to load.. something screwed up burning |
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| 16:24.53 | ompaul | Hell-Razor: run an md5sum on the downloaded file check the checksum on the web and md5sum the install image |
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| 16:25.24 | me1900 | ompaul: thought I did that already |
| 16:26.05 | ompaul | me1900: you used ntpdate a program to set the time locally ntpd will keep you synced |
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| 16:27.23 | ompaul | me1900: time changes because the crystal that oscillates in line with the electrical power, generally speaking over a 24 hour period if the power supply is good a few seconds to 5 minutes might be seen as the delta from real time |
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| 16:29.11 | mark06 | is this package [https://packages.debian.org/jessie/hostname] based on hostname from gnu coreutils? [http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=coreutils.git;a=blob;f=src/hostname.c;hb=HEAD] |
| 16:29.19 | mark06 | the diff is quite expressive |
| 16:29.47 | mark06 | sorry https://packages.debian.org/jessie/hostname and http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=coreutils.git;a=blob;f=src/hostname.c;hb=HEAD |
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| 16:30.22 | ompaul | mark06: the package will include stuff like copyright install uninstall programs etc - make sure (A) you are comparing like with like, and (B) if you read the README you might see why it differs |
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| 16:32.38 | Hell-Razor | md5 matches... probably happened in the burning |
| 16:32.40 | Hell-Razor | reburning? |
| 16:32.49 | Hell-Razor | err no ? |
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| 16:33.07 | me1900 | ompaul: all i see is openntpd in synaptics |
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| 16:33.30 | mtn | Hell-Razor: can you use usb to install? |
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| 16:34.00 | Hell-Razor | yes but my usb drive has a hackintosh on it that im still waiting to get a kernel for |
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| 16:34.27 | mark06 | ompaul: I just wanna know if it originate from coreutils man |
| 16:34.32 | mark06 | ed |
| 16:34.42 | albru123 | Hell-Razor: what burning sw are you using? |
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| 16:35.03 | Hell-Razor | disk utility albru123 |
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| 16:35.42 | Hell-Razor | wewt reburn worked |
| 16:36.09 | me1900 | cant get it to lock adminstration directory |
| 16:36.13 | ompaul | me1900: sorry the program is ntpd but to install you want ntp |
| 16:36.22 | me1900 | i cant get it to lock |
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| 16:36.37 | me1900 | : Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 16:37.02 | ompaul | me1900: are you running apt-get update or upgrade / dist-upgrade or something or synaptic at the same time |
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| 16:37.11 | ompaul | me1900: you can only run 1 incidence |
| 16:37.21 | me1900 | oops had synaptics up |
| 16:37.42 | ompaul | me1900: to stop you from having an unstable machine where A installs something and B uninstalls it that would be bad :) |
| 16:37.50 | me1900 | ompaul: [ ok ] Starting NTP server: ntpd. |
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| 16:38.20 | ompaul | me1900: check this out https://wiki.debian.org/NTP |
| 16:38.42 | me1900 | i didnt install from package manager |
| 16:38.51 | ompaul | me1900: how did you install it? |
| 16:39.02 | Hell-Razor | still not connectiong to the network |
| 16:39.15 | me1900 | apt-get install ntp |
| 16:39.37 | ompaul | Hell-Razor: get a wire install it connected to a router and prevent further damage to your skull from hitting it off the desk ;-) |
| 16:39.48 | albru123 | Is it possible? Copying 20GB will take 6 hours over USB 2.0 using Midnight Commander -_- |
| 16:39.49 | Hell-Razor | lol |
| 16:39.53 | Hell-Razor | i dont have a wire that long |
| 16:39.58 | ompaul | me1900: so you might consider that is a package manager there are many tools that do that |
| 16:40.17 | ompaul | Hell-Razor: move the computer to it |
| 16:40.18 | me1900 | ompaul: commandline seems more fun lol |
| 16:40.19 | Hell-Razor | "the exchange of keys and associated with the acess point failed. please check the wpa/wpa1 paraeters" |
| 16:40.28 | Hell-Razor | lol this is a huge fucking computer, not moving it |
| 16:40.34 | Hell-Razor | hrmmm |
| 16:40.36 | Hell-Razor | lets see here |
| 16:40.55 | me1900 | ompaul: this old dell latitude d610 seems to like debian 7.5.0 lxde |
| 16:41.18 | ompaul | me1900: generally old computers do like lxde |
| 16:41.27 | ompaul | me1900: as long as the kernel works etc |
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| 16:42.05 | Hell-Razor | holy crap |
| 16:42.05 | me1900 | ompaul: it seems to be smoother over ubuntu |
| 16:42.11 | Hell-Razor | i just told it to connect to any one and it connected |
| 16:42.12 | Hell-Razor | lulz |
| 16:42.16 | me1900 | ...Lubuntu |
| 16:42.39 | ompaul | Hell-Razor: as long as your neighbour doesn't sue you for you using their hardware |
| 16:43.00 | Hell-Razor | there are no other networks around here that are broadcasting at least |
| 16:43.33 | Hell-Razor | ok now is the tricky part |
| 16:43.39 | Hell-Razor | finding the empty hard drive |
| 16:43.56 | me1900 | ompaul: thanks |
| 16:44.32 | ompaul | me1900: you're welcome |
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| 16:45.37 | me1900 | i do have to keep windwos because i am into rtl-sdr and not many available for it on linux. waiting on unitrunker and find a virtual cable for linux |
| 16:46.43 | me1900 | rtl-sdr is rtl2832u r820T based USB 2.0 dongles for the purpose of software defined radio |
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| 16:47.07 | Hell-Razor | is there a way to drop to a seperate partition from the install disk? |
| 16:47.09 | Hell-Razor | err |
| 16:47.12 | Hell-Razor | terminal |
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| 16:48.27 | mtn | Hell-Razor: ctrl+alt+f2 or 3 or.... |
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| 16:48.31 | Hell-Razor | says left alt+3 on the forums but not workin |
| 16:49.16 | Hell-Razor | here we go |
| 16:49.18 | Hell-Razor | got it |
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| 16:52.57 | albru123 | Is there any way how to get writing speed of cp command? |
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| 16:54.29 | Mmike | albru123, use iostat, dstat or iotop |
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| 16:57.41 | Hell-Razor | jesus christ im about ready to say forget it and stick with doze |
| 16:57.55 | Hell-Razor | eveyrtime i try to mount sda1 to a directory i made its saying theres no such device |
| 16:57.56 | Hell-Razor | LIES! |
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| 16:58.02 | Hell-Razor | ! |
| 16:58.08 | teraflops | sure Hell-Razor |
| 16:58.14 | RandomGuy5432 | I felt the same way at first :) lol |
| 16:58.36 | ompaul | that is why the Hell-Razor on oftc wanted to do install bsd for 3d rendering I guess |
| 16:59.09 | Hell-Razor | ls -l shows sda, sdb, sdc and sdd |
| 16:59.22 | Hell-Razor | meh forget bsd ill just stick with nix |
| 16:59.27 | abrotman | those are devices, not partitions |
| 16:59.42 | albru123 | Mmike, 1. how to get info from /dev/sdb and 2. how to measure write speed with hdparm, I can measure only read |
| 16:59.45 | Hell-Razor | i just didnt add the 1 2 or 1 2 and 3 in there |
| 16:59.46 | teraflops | yeah ls is better than whatever partitioning tools |
| 17:00.08 | Hell-Razor | but ls shows its there |
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| 17:00.10 | qman | albru123: if you're copying big files one at a time, you might want to use pv instead of cp: http://www.catonmat.net/blog/unix-utilities-pipe-viewer/ |
| 17:00.24 | Hell-Razor | teraflops and i also need to see whats on the drives, or would like to |
| 17:00.29 | albru123 | qman: a lot of small files, about 20GB source code |
| 17:01.08 | albru123 | I'm using mc now, write speed is slowly climbing up |
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| 17:02.09 | Mmike | albru123, in dstat you can do: dstat -D sdb |
| 17:02.13 | qman | albru123: I would use rsync for that job, but it also doesn't give you a data rate/progress bar natively |
| 17:02.27 | Mmike | albru123, iostat will show all drives/parittions |
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| 17:02.39 | Mmike | also, don't use hdparm to measure disk speed as it's highly inaccurate |
| 17:02.54 | somiaj | I did see a method to give cp a status bar, wonder if you could use the same trick with rsync |
| 17:03.02 | qman | I generally just use df and make some rough estimates |
| 17:03.04 | Mmike | you can use bonnie/bonnie++ to get sequential read/write speed, or use fio to get a realistic workload test for your drive |
| 17:04.01 | nsgn | alright, i've got a debian mystery. a year ago i set up a dedicated debian box running a script using watch every 5 seconds. that was its only job, to just run this script every 5 seconds. i now can not find, for the life of me, where in debian i set this to run on startup/login. the computer boots, auto logs in, and then starts watch. i simply can't find where i set it to do the part where it runs watch. i need to tweak the watch command slightly |
| 17:04.13 | albru123 | Writing big files is good, small files are pain in the ass :/ |
| 17:04.39 | qman | nsgn: grep -R watch /etc/cron*; grep -R watch /etc/init* |
| 17:04.52 | ompaul | nsgn: did you put the scripts in /usr/local/bin or crontab |
| 17:04.54 | albru123 | Mmike: apt-get can't find iostat |
| 17:05.26 | qman | albru123: apt-get install sysstat |
| 17:05.27 | nsgn | ompaul, crontab is not involved. the computer simply runs watch immediately upon auto logging in. watch will run something every x number of seconds endlessly. no cron required |
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| 17:05.39 | nsgn | qman, trying |
| 17:05.54 | somiaj | oh seems rsync has a --progress option |
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| 17:06.01 | nsgn | qman, no results |
| 17:06.13 | qman | nsgn: might be in your .profile/.bashrc on that user |
| 17:06.27 | qman | or might have a screen script or something |
| 17:06.45 | Mmike | albru123, it's part of sysstat package, yes. albru123 check for apt-file utility, that one can show you what package a particular file belongs to. You'd do: `apt-file search iostat`, and that would spit out 'sysstat' in some form |
| 17:06.45 | qman | could also be in /etc/rc.local |
| 17:06.46 | nsgn | qman, i checked .profile and .bashrc. they dont have any changes |
| 17:06.59 | nsgn | qman, i did the grep on my entire user folder and i find watch referenced in .bash_history |
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| 17:07.17 | ompaul | nsgn: .profile .bashrc |
| 17:07.28 | ompaul | nsgn: grep for watch in the home directly |
| 17:07.37 | qman | and it could also be in a user's crontab, which are stored in /var/spool/crontab |
| 17:07.38 | nsgn | ompaul, you reading what I'm writing? |
| 17:07.51 | nsgn | qman, checing rc.local |
| 17:08.04 | nsgn | qman, bingo. rc.local it is |
| 17:08.07 | nsgn | thank you |
| 17:08.20 | ompaul | nsgn: it was valid based on this: runs watch immediately upon auto logging in |
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| 17:08.44 | ompaul | bad guess but hey |
| 17:08.46 | nsgn | ompaul, oh it wasnt an invalid suggestion i just said about 4 lines before that i had already done all that :) |
| 17:09.42 | nsgn | qman, is this where i really should have done it? i mean, i guess it works well enough..just had the side effect of launched from there I can't do ANYTHING from the keyboard. no ctrl c, no ctrl z, no ctrl alt F2 |
| 17:10.03 | qman | nsgn: not really, the ideal way is to make an init script and have it run as a daemon |
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| 17:10.20 | qman | nsgn: the system doesn't finish booting until rc.local exits 0 |
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| 17:10.59 | nsgn | qman, ok, that might explain the system's lack of ability to ctrl alt F* to other consoles, which was really frustrating me |
| 17:11.00 | qman | nsgn: if you need interactive functionality you can wrap it in screen in your init script |
| 17:11.14 | albru123-phone | Anybody who send me messages 5 minuted ago please send it again |
| 17:11.17 | nsgn | would it be simpler to just put it in .profile or something? |
| 17:11.19 | qman | nsgn: yeah, it doesn't even load getty until after rc.local exits |
| 17:11.27 | ompaul | in an ideal world you'd put a (all) script(s) in /usr/local/bin so it can be found then you do whatever you need like sticking it rc.local and also comment your script where you trigger it and code where the trigger is - that way you find one half you find the other |
| 17:11.41 | qman | nsgn: init script is by far the best option, they're really not hard to write |
| 17:12.03 | albru123-phone | GNOME is freezed and I can't see anything |
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| 17:12.08 | nsgn | qman, would that still result in this going full screen where i can see the output as watch does if run from the shell? |
| 17:12.57 | qman | nsgn: not directly...I'm thinking about what's the best way to do that |
| 17:13.28 | nsgn | qman, i wish i could go back and ask myself a year ago the logic for why i put it in rc.local. it apparently got the job done exactly as desired it just made things hard on me a year later |
| 17:13.29 | qman | nsgn: on one system I disabled tty1 and left it just logging the console, you could then write the output to console, and still retain full system functionality |
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| 17:14.46 | albru123-phone | I have can see only mouse and blinking cursor in upper left corner |
| 17:14.58 | nsgn | what would be the disadvantage of using .profile or similar? |
| 17:15.01 | albru123-phone | *I can |
| 17:15.18 | qman | albru123: iostat is in the package 'sysstat' if you didn't catch that |
| 17:15.23 | qman | nsgn: having to log in |
| 17:15.30 | albru123-phone | Thx |
| 17:15.31 | temhaa | how to create custom debian iso. for example with apache-mysql |
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| 17:16.36 | somiaj | temhaa: why do you need to do that? Are you wanting a custom live image or just a custom installer |
| 17:16.58 | qman | nsgn: I think the best way is going to be to run your script instead of getty/login on tty1 |
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| 17:17.09 | qman | nsgn: looking up how to do that in debian |
| 17:17.12 | somiaj | temhaa: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD -- it is possible, but don't see why you want to build a custom install cd and not just install the package you want. |
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| 17:18.11 | temhaa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:18.41 | albru123-phone | Anybody knows how to restart stuck GNOME? |
| 17:18.44 | qman | nsgn: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.linux.misc/QEPP9DsI_Ao |
| 17:18.52 | nsgn | clicks |
| 17:18.57 | temhaa | somiaj, actually I want magento iso file but previously I should learn installer iso |
| 17:18.59 | albru123-phone | service restart gdm3 doesn't work |
| 17:18.59 | somiaj | temhaa: what do you mean by that, you want to learn how the hybrid iso's are made so they are bootable on usb and cdrom? |
| 17:19.08 | jpinx | I'm having problems getting a ssd clone of my system to boot independently. The appears to not be found - even though it is there. Any suggestions ? |
| 17:19.11 | qman | nsgn: that guy is running top, but you should be able follow the same process |
| 17:19.16 | nsgn | yeah |
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| 17:19.38 | somiaj | temhaa: here are some channels on irc.oftc.net that may be of more useful, and if you want to learn that is good. But if you just want an end result there are probabaly easier ways to go about what you are doing. |
| 17:20.37 | nsgn | qman, that makes at least 200x more sense than how i am doing it now |
| 17:20.47 | nsgn | and is still nice and simple |
| 17:20.53 | qman | nsgn: yeah, that way you just swap out tty1, the rest are still there |
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| 17:21.21 | nsgn | qman, yeah. the way i was doing it now had the benefit of taking care of the auto login for me and the disadvantage of..destroying much of the rest of the system functionality |
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| 17:22.29 | temhaa | somiaj, for example some vps serve iso with apache or php or phpmyadmin or mysql. how to make. can i make iso with any application |
| 17:23.04 | albru123-phone | http://paste.debian.net/103991 |
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| 17:23.44 | somiaj | temhaa: I gave you a link, read the documentation. AS I said if all you want is the result of having debian installed with other packgaes installed there are nicer ways to do this. I would suggest using a preseed over making your own iso, but read the link I gave you |
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| 17:24.36 | temhaa | somiaj, ok I starting read now |
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| 17:28.32 | A|an | What's a good alternative to minitube? |
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| 17:29.11 | Hell-Razor | sigh... i cant figure out how to do this... i have four drives, one is empty and the other three have doze on it. i dont want to blow any of the doze away, ow do i figure out the empty drive... ntfs-3g doesnt seem to be on this net cd |
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| 17:29.20 | Nik05 | Alan iceweasel? |
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| 17:29.38 | abrotman | A|an: youtube-dl |
| 17:29.40 | nsgn | dumb question. where on earth is python on debian? |
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| 17:29.46 | A|an | yes! that's it |
| 17:29.46 | wols_ | Hell-Razor: fdisk -l as root. it will show you |
| 17:29.47 | A|an | thnks |
| 17:29.56 | Nik05 | and there is quvi |
| 17:30.08 | Cpuroast | nsgn: you want the absolute path? |
| 17:30.08 | ompaul | nsgn: which python will tell you |
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| 17:30.24 | nsgn | Cpuroast, yeah |
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| 17:30.38 | Hell-Razor | wols_ all it tells me that is gpt |
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| 17:30.59 | A|an | abrotman: BTW, is there any snags possibly encountered by packporting to wheezy the unbuntu version of minitube? |
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| 17:31.28 | Nik05 | A|an which version do you need? |
| 17:31.32 | ompaul | !tell Alan about frankendebian |
| 17:31.42 | A|an | yes, i know about frankendeb |
| 17:31.57 | Cpuroast | nsgn: find / -name python |
| 17:31.58 | A|an | Nik05: version for minitube? |
| 17:31.58 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 17:32.02 | Nik05 | yes |
| 17:32.07 | ompaul | wrong highlight |
| 17:32.14 | A|an | the latest i guess |
| 17:32.22 | Hell-Razor | in doze the partition table showed it as dev 2 when there is 0 1 2 and 3... do i take a guess and go with sdc lol |
| 17:32.23 | A|an | i have one on my old ubuntu disk |
| 17:32.30 | ompaul | thinks | ' ` and friends should be removed from irc nicks in the next rfc |
| 17:32.39 | Nik05 | yeah this is fucking annoying |
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| 17:33.00 | A|an | So, backporting a unbuntu package is not a good idea, huh? |
| 17:33.14 | Nik05 | A |
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| 17:33.32 | Nik05 | A|an the version that is in Ubuntu is also in Debian, backport that one |
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| 17:34.02 | Cpuroast | Ubuntu is built from Debian |
| 17:34.07 | Cpuroast | so :) |
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| 17:34.17 | Nik05 | so its not a good idea |
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| 17:34.28 | Cpuroast | exactly |
| 17:34.38 | A|an | Cpuroast: that was my thinkin' |
| 17:34.39 | Nik05 | ok just to be sure thats what you meant |
| 17:34.52 | Nik05 | A|an but why think about Ubuntu when its already in Debian? :S |
| 17:35.21 | A|an | Nik: i didn't find it when i apt-cache show'd for it |
| 17:35.31 | A|an | it can be installed via apt-get?? |
| 17:35.53 | Cpuroast | A|an: search here https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 17:35.57 | A|an | ok |
| 17:36.03 | Nik05 | you need to backport it from testing |
| 17:36.07 | Waxhead | I got 2x Jessie running with systemd installed (kernel cmdline init=...) Recently (last months) I have discovered that the systems sometimes refuse to poweroff. No matter if I (as root) run halt, systemctrl halt or systemctrl poweroff. A friend of mine has the same problem. Is this know? and if so , how can I fix / debug it ? |
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| 17:36.23 | A|an | actually, i searched packages but didn't find it |
| 17:36.30 | Nik05 | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/minitube |
| 17:36.35 | A|an | if it's there thought |
| 17:36.37 | A|an | okay |
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| 17:36.38 | A|an | thanks |
| 17:36.42 | qman | Hell-Razor: parted -l |
| 17:36.59 | Nik05 | that site searched only for stable packages on default, click on all_suites |
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| 17:37.27 | A|an | thaaat's what I wanted to backport (i'm revisiting this subject) |
| 17:37.37 | somiaj | A|an: easy way to search all suits, 'packages.debian.org/packagename' |
| 17:37.48 | somiaj | ,check-backport minitube |
| 17:37.49 | judd | Backporting package minitube in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 17:37.54 | nsgn | qman, all working as desired now! thank you very much for your help |
| 17:37.56 | A|an | ok...i'll make a note..thanks |
| 17:38.00 | qman | would be really nice if they added GPT support to fdisk, parted sucks |
| 17:38.47 | edju | A while ago, there were security alerts concerning openssl and the kernel. I run Wheezy and have openssl 1.0.1e-2+deb7u9 (should be 7u10) and linux-image 3.2.57-3+deb7u1 (should be 7u2.. I've updated many times using two different servers and still do not have the latest versions. Is it just me? |
| 17:39.12 | Cpuroast | edju: did you reboot |
| 17:39.16 | Cpuroast | after update |
| 17:39.17 | Cpuroast | ? |
| 17:39.29 | Cpuroast | kernel updates require a reboot |
| 17:39.46 | qman | edju: yeah, you have to reboot to use the new kernel, and restart services to run the new openssl version; that said, the current versions should be installed in apt/dpkg |
| 17:40.07 | somiaj | edju: do you have debian security sources, care to give us the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
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| 17:40.32 | Cpuroast | and yah you should have security in /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 17:40.36 | edju | Cpuroast, I know tyo reboot, but I never received the updates. |
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| 17:42.10 | Cpuroast | edju: so when you do: cat /proc/version |
| 17:42.39 | Cpuroast | it doesn't say: SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u2 |
| 17:42.40 | Cpuroast | ? |
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| 17:46.17 | edju | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/103996 |
| 17:46.21 | Cpuroast | edju: you should have: |
| 17:46.24 | Cpuroast | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 17:46.24 | Cpuroast | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
| 17:46.28 | Cpuroast | in your sources |
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| 17:48.15 | Cpuroast | edju: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:48.34 | Cpuroast | make sure the 2 sources I mentioned are there |
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| 17:49.02 | Cpuroast | if not: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:49.08 | Cpuroast | add them, save |
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| 17:49.35 | Cpuroast | apt-get update then apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:50.20 | edju | Cpuroast, Yes, for some reason the security repo was commented out. Sorry to take your time. |
| 17:50.35 | Cpuroast | how did that happen? |
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| 17:50.49 | edju | Good question. |
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| 17:54.40 | A|an | Should I backport a jessi deb for installation in wheezy? |
| 17:55.07 | A|an | actually, it's not a deb |
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| 17:56.10 | A|an | it's a dsc file |
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| 17:57.29 | somiaj | !tell A|an about ssb |
| 17:59.03 | NiLon | I have quite a bunch of different computers and quite a lot useless disk space on those. So that made me thinking; instead having one server to do all to backups can't I just use all the computers I have? Like distributed cloud system thingy. Clearly it would need to duplicate data 2-3 times but that's ideal. Is there any software for this already or do I need to get hacking something up? :P |
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| 17:59.22 | NiLon | basically just install the thing, say how much disk space it can use, leave and forget |
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| 18:04.52 | tiron | anyone know where I can disable (in a config file) Wheezy's automounting of an external drive? (I don't see a matching UDID for the drive in fstab, so where is this hapenning?) |
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| 18:06.46 | Gyndawyr | googling 'disable auto mount drive debian' seems to come up with a few useful-looking results |
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| 18:07.09 | Gyndawyr | I'd help out if I knew any more about it |
| 18:07.25 | Gyndawyr | I'm here cause I have a problem whenever I put my computer into Suspend mode. When I wake it up again the power light changes from amber to green and the CPU fan spins up, but there is no display on the screen and it makes using the Suspend mode impossible. |
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| 18:07.48 | Gyndawyr | How do I go about fixing this? |
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| 18:09.45 | TJ- | tiron: It's probably being done by udisks |
| 18:10.02 | HD|Lapto1 | hey all |
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| 18:10.54 | ted20 | How to enable usb 3.0 in debian? |
| 18:11.25 | ompaul | ted20: install debian |
| 18:11.34 | ted20 | I've |
| 18:11.53 | ompaul | it should work if your machine supports it unless you are running squeeze I guess |
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| 18:12.04 | ted20 | I don't know why I've transfers about max 30MB/s via USB 3.0 no more |
| 18:12.21 | ompaul | is it a usb2 device you are connected to ;-) |
| 18:12.27 | ompaul | all sides have to cover the bases |
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| 18:12.44 | ted20 | ompaul: no, via usb 3.0 |
| 18:12.48 | Cpuroast | yah 30MB/sec sounds like USB2 |
| 18:13.08 | ompaul | ted20: the disk / whatever you are connected to is a usb2 device I'll wager |
| 18:13.24 | ted20 | Okay, so, how to fix it? |
| 18:13.30 | Cpuroast | you buy a new drive |
| 18:13.39 | ompaul | buy better equipment to plug in |
| 18:13.45 | Cpuroast | or atleast a new enclosure |
| 18:13.51 | ompaul | ted20: your disk / whatever needs to be USB3 also |
| 18:13.52 | ted20 | Cpuroast: man, it's a new patriot supersonic 32gb... |
| 18:13.53 | Cpuroast | and switch the disk to the new enclosure |
| 18:14.00 | Cpuroast | USB key |
| 18:14.01 | Cpuroast | ? |
| 18:14.05 | ted20 | Yeah, pendrive |
| 18:14.05 | petern_ | Oh, it's flash? Flash is slow... |
| 18:14.09 | antranigv | Hay... I have Debian 7, with gnome classic, and I want to download a GUI interface for Synaptic Touchpad Manager... any help ? thanks in advance! |
| 18:14.12 | supersonic | yup supersonic |
| 18:14.14 | petern_ | At least, at that scale. |
| 18:14.20 | Cpuroast | Up to 100MB/s READ and up to 70MB/s WRITE |
| 18:14.21 | ompaul | flash is not fast |
| 18:14.29 | Cpuroast | it should do better than 30MB/sec |
| 18:14.43 | ompaul | ted20: and your file sizes and other read write functions are ... |
| 18:14.48 | Cpuroast | there are some flash drives that handle 200MB/sec |
| 18:14.55 | Cpuroast | basically SSDs in a stick |
| 18:15.14 | qman | yes, there are, and there are also plenty that claim they can, and can't get anywhere near it |
| 18:15.18 | Cpuroast | that too |
| 18:15.29 | ompaul | ted20: reading to it or writing to it? |
| 18:15.43 | albru123-phone | Up to doesn't mean it can even reach that speed. |
| 18:15.48 | ompaul | ted20: reading from it or writing to it? |
| 18:16.00 | qman | also, USB2 is limited to 480mbps per bus |
| 18:16.02 | Gyndawyr | it has to at least be physically capable of the speed surely |
| 18:16.10 | qman | so if you have other high bandwidth devices on the same bus, that will kill it |
| 18:16.45 | ted20 | ompaul: writing 'course look at http://www.tweaktown.com/image.php?image=http://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/5/2/5211_10_patriot_supersonic_rage_xt_32gb_usb_3_0_flash_drive_review_full.png |
| 18:16.45 | ompaul | talk to your video card it wants bus time |
| 18:17.07 | ompaul | ted20: there is no 'course you are complaining - so now how big are the files |
| 18:17.13 | albru123-phone | Gyndawyr: why? Nobody's checking it. And if someone check it, they say it is UP TO |
| 18:17.16 | qman | or even several low bandwidth devices sharing time |
| 18:17.42 | TJ- | ted20: It's possible the kernel's USB2 driver (ehci) has grabbed the port before the USB3 (xhci) driver |
| 18:17.45 | qman | the reality is, even if nothing else is on the same bus, your peak data rate in theory is 60MB/s, but you'll be lucky if you can get 45MB/s because of overhead |
| 18:18.28 | Cpuroast | for USB2, I've never seen in excess of 35MB/sec |
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| 18:18.34 | qman | USB3's data rate is much higher but it does still suffer the same problems |
| 18:18.41 | Cpuroast | USB3 I've seen 80-100MB/sec |
| 18:18.46 | Cpuroast | with conventional HDDs |
| 18:18.48 | albru123-phone | Anybody knows how to restart GNOME and X completely? |
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| 18:19.18 | Gyndawyr | Where can I get help with this suspend problem? |
| 18:19.54 | mtn | Gyndawyr: what video card/chip and driver are you using? it might be related to that |
| 18:19.54 | Gyndawyr | albru123-phone: There'll be a terminal command if you google it I'd have thought |
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| 18:20.05 | Gyndawyr | I'm using an ATI X1250 |
| 18:20.21 | Gyndawyr | and the default (and probably crappy) drivers that installed when I installed Debian |
| 18:20.45 | mtn | Gyndawyr: check out the wiki, better drivers may solve your suspend issue |
| 18:20.54 | Gyndawyr | right now I'm looking in /var/log/pm-suspend.log thinking "I haven't a clue what I'm doing" |
| 18:21.12 | albru123-phone | GNOME is buggy and I have only blicking cursor on tty7 and I can see mouse pointer on every tty |
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| 18:22.15 | teraflops | albru123-phone: take your gnome config files from your home apart and restart gnome |
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| 18:25.55 | albru123-phone | teraflops: which files it should be? |
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| 18:27.59 | teraflops | there are serveral, there are the ~/.gnome2 also there are more into ~/.config albru123-phone |
| 18:28.51 | ted20 | TJ-: how to fix it? |
| 18:29.04 | ted20 | TJ-: unload usb2 module? |
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| 18:31.05 | teraflops | sometimes the gnome-session ones into .config ,renaming or deleting, helps to fix some errors as yours |
| 18:31.11 | teraflops | albru123-phone: |
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| 18:31.49 | albru123-phone | teraflops: in gnome2 I can see keyring files and in config I can't see anything |
| 18:33.09 | Hell-Razor | aaand its finally installing |
| 18:33.39 | teraflops | does ~/.config/gnome-session exists? albru123-phone |
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| 18:34.03 | albru123-phone | teraflops : no |
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| 18:34.38 | albru123-phone | Sry, it is there, but empty |
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| 18:35.46 | teraflops | ah |
| 18:35.57 | monode | hello, i am installing a debian7 on a proliant, on /dev/md10 which is a raid1 array created from "--create /dev/sdb1 missing" (I don't have the second drive yet). Notice sdb, not sda. |
| 18:36.08 | monode | when installing grub, it fails with "failed to install grub to mbr on /dev/sda" |
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| 18:36.44 | albru123-phone | so should I take it all away teraflops? |
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| 18:36.49 | monode | sdb1 is 50GB, sdb2 is 2.9T and the boot sector is gpt (because i can't do 2.9T partitions on mbr) |
| 18:37.04 | monode | i'm trying to install grub manually with grub-install /dev/sdb, but ofc that fails, since it's missing |
| 18:37.09 | redcheckers | hi! i recently tried using a debian installer image via unetbootin, to re-install debian, and i succesfully reinstalled it, except that i can't get the old efi file to target the new install, even though i deleted the old debian partition, and have correct entries in the new debian partition's /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 18:37.37 | teraflops | albru123-phone: i dont know your real problem, anyway if its _real_ empty ... i dont see the point of deleting |
| 18:37.39 | monode | there is grub-installer, but when i try to use it, it fails with "usage: ls -[1Aa...] [FILE] |
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| 18:38.27 | monode | i'm guessing the combination of mdadm on the second drive and the gpt fscks something up |
| 18:38.29 | albru123-phone | teraflops: I'm on testing branch, I just want to turn it on somehow :/ |
| 18:38.59 | teraflops | albru123-phone: try to create a nre user and see if gnome craches for him too |
| 18:39.04 | teraflops | new* |
| 18:40.26 | albru123-phone | teraflops gdm3 or xorg doesn't work, so how I can test? |
| 18:40.33 | monode | how the hell can the installer execute grub-install, but i don't have grub-install on the console? :/ |
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| 18:40.55 | teraflops | creating a .xinitrc file for example albru123-phone |
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| 18:41.23 | aramus | Hello, having issues with GPG error when trying to apt-get update. |
| 18:41.32 | redcheckers | okay :( guess i'll try and find something else to install. thanks anyways |
| 18:41.42 | aramus | GPG error http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy release the following signatures were invalid no data 1 nodata 2 |
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| 18:42.18 | teraflops | albru123-phone: you mean xorg doesnt work and you are trying to launch gnome? |
| 18:42.52 | teraflops | aramus: fix xorg firt for the sake of god |
| 18:42.58 | teraflops | sorry i mean albru123-phone |
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| 18:43.16 | aramus | no prob |
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| 18:43.58 | teraflops | and you said you are in jessie ... |
| 18:44.00 | albru123-phone | I don't know which one doesn't work, because I can see mouse pointer even in tty sometimes teraflops |
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| 18:44.11 | teraflops | ah |
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| 18:45.19 | teraflops | albru123-phone: apart from the buggy interface you do not provide useful information about the problem |
| 18:45.22 | monode | are there any tools available on the 'rescue/expert' install? |
| 18:45.43 | monode | i can't find fdisk, cfdisk, mc, vim, screen, mc.. pretty much anything useful for rescuing |
| 18:45.51 | albru123-phone | Do you want some logs or info teraflops |
| 18:45.51 | simonlnu | what's the CIDR for this address ? 2607:f358:4::4a ? |
| 18:46.20 | qman | monode: that console is a bare minimum console for running the debian installer |
| 18:46.23 | simonlnu | is that a /128 or a larger subnet? |
| 18:46.27 | teraflops | albru123-phone: are you using jessie? |
| 18:46.36 | teraflops | or sid? |
| 18:46.41 | monode | oh ._. |
| 18:46.55 | qman | monode: you have ot use the debian installer menu to launch a proper console or chroot into your installed version; personally I use other tools like systemrescuecd that are just a proper console live |
| 18:47.05 | albru123-phone | I just used empathy and GNOME has freezed, now I can't open it and on tty7 is only blincking cursor. Yes, I'm on Jessie |
| 18:48.01 | teraflops | monode: you cant boot into the failed grub installtion and install grub and do a proper grub install /dev/sdb with the rescue mode |
| 18:48.15 | monode | yeah, i'm starting to see that |
| 18:48.19 | monode | there's not even mdadm or anything |
| 18:48.47 | monode | haha, wow, this is a clusterfuck |
| 18:49.02 | monode | i guess it's gpt related |
| 18:49.08 | teraflops | albru123-phone: sorry but this channel is for the stable debian version |
| 18:49.28 | albru123-phone | Yes, but #debian-next is dead |
| 18:49.32 | teraflops | heh |
| 18:49.39 | teraflops | albru123-phone: indeed |
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| 18:51.31 | monode | i'm gonna try removing all the other drives (i'm attempting to play with an unbalanced raid - ie, md1(/dev/sdb, md0(/dev/sda, /dev/sdc)) and install the system cleanly.. then copy it to the stripe, then removethe original and add it as a raid device instead |
| 18:51.41 | teraflops | albru123-phone: just reboot if you can and delete empathy from console, just give a shot |
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| 18:52.38 | albru123-phone | Just rebooted. The reason why I wanted to restart GNOME was, because I was backing up my data |
| 18:52.47 | albru123-phone | teraflops |
| 18:52.50 | teraflops | ah |
| 18:53.04 | monode | are there any known tricks or gotchas with grub and gpt? |
| 18:53.11 | teraflops | wise behavoiur backing up data albru123-phone |
| 18:53.20 | monode | like dding some magic numbers or some special partition layout or something? i just made a 100GB one and a 2.9TB one |
| 18:53.25 | aramus | i gi get networking is unreachable for http://ftp.debian,org/debian/dists/whee..... but i can ping http://ftp.debian.org |
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| 18:54.30 | albru123-phone | teraflops: I hope everything has copied |
| 18:55.14 | thunder1212 | hi, i was planning to install debain on my laptop, is it fine to use the live dvd image? |
| 18:55.21 | albru123-phone | Is there a way to diff two folders? |
| 18:55.30 | teraflops | albru123-phone: debian_\,/_org? |
| 18:55.32 | thunder1212 | i hvae been using ubuntu till now.. |
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| 18:55.50 | teraflops | oh lord sorry i meant aramus |
| 18:56.03 | teraflops | aramus: debian_\,/_org? |
| 18:56.38 | aramus | meant . |
| 18:56.38 | aramus | lol |
| 18:56.51 | hest | is there a 'standard' way of creating a luks partition with two-factor authentication in debian? i'm thinking that using --header /dev/disk/by-uuid/uuid-for-some-usb-stick should work for forcing the user to both know the passphrase and have that usb stick, but is there a better way? |
| 18:56.57 | teraflops | heh had to ask |
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| 18:58.58 | thunder1212 | will i need some additional firmware for my wifi chip ? |
| 19:00.06 | formorer | thunder1212: that depends on your wifi chip |
| 19:00.15 | teraflops | heh |
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| 19:00.27 | monode | hest:: i used this once http://www.oxygenimpaired.com/debian-lenny-luks-encrypted-root-hidden-usb-keyfile |
| 19:00.49 | monode | you can use some more exotic system, like throwing in the hash of the usb's serial number |
| 19:00.58 | monode | usb's stick |
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| 19:01.23 | monode | not really helpful or very secure, but rather annoying to figure out |
| 19:01.36 | teraflops | then screw the usb and fuck your system up |
| 19:01.52 | monode | well you can always add a bunch of GUIDs chained together as your password |
| 19:02.04 | monode | scribble them down on a postit, then throw it away for security reasons and forget them |
| 19:02.33 | monode | or maybe a second usb, but keep them together, so you'll either have both, one of them always being pointless, or lose both! |
| 19:02.36 | hest | monode: that link is not for passphrase _and_ key, it's for passphrase _or_ key. |
| 19:02.40 | hest | if i read it correctly. |
| 19:02.43 | teraflops | sure, anyway paper can be safer that that usb thingy |
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| 19:03.59 | monode | there's also a link to type in your luks password over ssh |
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| 19:05.12 | monode | hest: i wanted once to make a tiny usb MSC device with an avr, that would allow access to the key after you'd type in a password (on the device, sort of like a pin) |
| 19:05.23 | monode | idea was neat, but i never got around to do it |
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| 19:06.12 | monode | in the meantime, i think kingston makes some encrypted usb sticks with buttons to key in your password |
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| 19:08.46 | okee | Is there anything particularly weird about the unzip utility? I tried unzipping a file I downloaded, and it won't unzip. |
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| 19:09.55 | hest | okee: do you get an error message? |
| 19:10.01 | msrd0 | okee: how did you try to unzip your archieve |
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| 19:10.23 | okee | hest> No error message. Nothing happens. |
| 19:11.11 | okee | msrd0> I tried using the GUI, to locate the appropriate folder for the unzip utility, which is /usr/bin/unzip, and nothing happens. Supposedly the file is protected, and requires a key by NLM, but no message or input option appears. |
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| 19:11.39 | msrd0 | okee: which gui? |
| 19:11.42 | monode | myea |
| 19:11.48 | okee | xfce4 |
| 19:11.57 | monode | tried installing again, "grub install /dev/sdb/" failed |
| 19:12.12 | monode | this is a clean system. any hints? |
| 19:12.18 | msrd0 | okee: sry i never used xcfe4 |
| 19:12.44 | hest | okee: try running it in a terminal and see what it says. |
| 19:12.45 | monode | okee: just #deflate file or #unzip file |
| 19:13.00 | monode | or inflate... i never remember the zip names |
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| 19:13.16 | msrd0 | monode: i think its deflate in this case |
| 19:13.23 | monode | idk |
| 19:13.30 | monode | inflate makes the files bigger i guess? |
| 19:13.58 | msrd0 | monode: i think that would be increase. |
| 19:14.08 | monode | i guess so. |
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| 19:14.50 | monode | can anyone lay out the generic steps i'd need to follow to install debian on a very simple raid device (/dev/md0, 100GB), and the underlying md device is underGPT? |
| 19:15.02 | msrd0 | monode: the web says that inflate makes the file bigger |
| 19:15.18 | monode | i created the partitions and stripes before, manually, in a working system: mdadm --create --level=1 /dev/sdb1 missing, etc |
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| 19:16.01 | monode | the installer found them, told it to format the md as ext4 and mount as /, fails at grub-install without too many explanations |
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| 19:16.51 | monode | so i zeroed out the first 50 megs on the drive, created my partitions again (100GB, 2.9T), it magically added the bios_boot partition, followed through, and grub fails again without any explanation |
| 19:17.13 | monode | the second time i created the partitions and raid device from the curses installer |
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| 19:18.12 | monode | anything i can do through the installer without a rescue disk or anything special? |
| 19:18.51 | monode | i basically want my system installed on /dev/md0, which is composed only out of /dev/sdb1. there also exists a /dev/sdb2, which is 2.9TB, so the partition table must be GPT |
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| 19:20.01 | To-be-invisible | shouldn't "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati" make my ati 3470hd gpu perform better?and aren't they as buggy as the so-called fglrx? i use debian wheezy kde |
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| 19:21.01 | monode | what the freaking hell |
| 19:21.06 | monode | how can the installer mount raid partitions |
| 19:21.12 | monode | if there is no mdadm on the command line |
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| 19:21.22 | monode | this so so confusing |
| 19:21.31 | msrd0 | dpkg: enter |
| 19:21.31 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 19:27.02 | mjt | Hello. A somewhat.. strange question. How to print an image in debian? I've a high-res (1200dpi) .jpg image which shows nice and with high details on the screen, at 1:1 scale it takes several screens. But every time I print it on a 1200dpi printer, it is printed like a newspaper, using huge clearly visible dots. This laser printer is pretty much capable of printing very good texts. |
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| 19:32.03 | msrd0 | mjt: using gwenview, you can specify this by clicking to properties (eigenschaften), switch to the extended (erweitert) tab and edit resolution |
| 19:32.24 | okee | Is there a linux version of adobe digital editions? |
| 19:34.38 | Megaf | Hi all, I'm installing Debian on a desktop with an ath9k wifi chipset, I need to know where I can find the firmware for it and how to use it on Debian installer |
| 19:34.45 | dutchfish | monode, i am no expert at softraid but https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03#mdcfg |
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| 19:35.14 | Lope | ifconfig eth0 mtu 9000 doesn't seem to work on debian. |
| 19:35.15 | Megaf | the Installer says I need the firmware htc_9271.fw |
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| 19:35.55 | monode | dutchfish: ah, thank you. i think the issue i'm fighting with right now is GPT, not really raid |
| 19:36.03 | Lope | then I tried adding "mtu 9000" to /etc/network/interfaces but then when I tried ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 then it said RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 19:36.24 | Megaf | can I get the firmware from here? http://wireless.kernel.org/download/htc_fw/1.3/ |
| 19:37.17 | Lope | Even if I set the file back to it's original state I can't bring eth0 up again. same error |
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| 19:38.58 | dutchfish | monode, i also found this (havent checked it myself) http://www.pjc.me.uk/efi-gpt/ |
| 19:39.12 | dutchfish | monode, i hope that helps |
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| 19:39.20 | monode | yep, was open in a tab earlier |
| 19:39.36 | monode | i think the issue here is that i need a /boot AND a bios_boot partition |
| 19:39.45 | dutchfish | nods |
| 19:39.56 | monode | the internet says MBR has like 1MB after the first sector, while GPT has none |
| 19:40.08 | dutchfish | monode, correct |
| 19:40.56 | monode | hmm, i suppose /boot also needs not to be under raid |
| 19:40.59 | dutchfish | monode, also be aware if you have some form of shared resources on GPT that will not work |
| 19:41.13 | monode | and probably having it on every drive will help in case things will get swapped around |
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| 19:41.32 | dutchfish | monode, to ease things i always keep a /boot seperate from the raid/lvm |
| 19:41.49 | monode | i'm sorry, i am unaware wait shared resources on gpt are. probably not my case then? |
| 19:41.53 | dutchfish | monode, it is possible however, but not wise to do so |
| 19:41.53 | mjt | hmm. I can't install gwenview |
| 19:41.55 | monode | s/wait/what |
| 19:42.07 | monode | ah. |
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| 19:42.09 | monode | why is it unwise? |
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| 19:42.30 | monode | given that well.. they are rsynced or something... |
| 19:42.30 | dutchfish | monode, in case of FS errors you cant boot anymore |
| 19:42.40 | monode | hmm |
| 19:42.56 | monode | do you mean it's unwise to have individual /boot partitions on each drive? |
| 19:43.08 | dutchfish | monode, its easier to fix a broken /root in a soft raid when it has a separate /boot partition, thats all |
| 19:43.15 | monode | ah |
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| 19:43.19 | monode | yeah, that's what i want. |
| 19:43.40 | msrd0 | mjt: why not? whats the error? |
| 19:44.01 | monode | thanks. |
| 19:44.05 | mjt | current vlc from bpo70 apparently conflicts with kde using one of the dependencies |
| 19:44.06 | dutchfish | yw |
| 19:44.07 | monode | this makes more sense now. |
| 19:44.13 | mjt | I've vlc installed from wheezy-backports |
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| 19:44.48 | mjt | aha. kde wants libvlccore5 from wheezy, but vlc wants it from wheezy-backports. |
| 19:45.07 | jeremy_c | mkdir hi = mkdir: cannot create directory `hi': Too many links ... In this directory, we have 31,999 directories already. It is ext3. I now read ext3 has a 32,000 limit but ext4 has a 64,000 limit. However, the server we are migrating from is ext4 and it has 247k directories in this one dir. Any thoughts on how to proceed? |
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| 19:46.13 | msrd0 | mjt: which image viewer do you use? |
| 19:46.35 | mjt | i tried several, including command-line tools. Even used iceweasel :) |
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| 19:47.04 | mjt | pnmtops (one of the tools I used) warns me it want to scale the image by factor of 0.0017 as it doesn't fit the page |
| 19:47.14 | Megaf | folks, I placed the htc_9271.fw file on a FAT formated USB stick and Debian installer cant find it |
| 19:47.21 | Megaf | any other way I can do this? |
| 19:47.55 | mjt | cups can print most formats directly, and it does the same thing (the image looks like on a newspaper) |
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| 19:47.57 | msrd0 | mjt: i'm able to change the resolution in iceweasel |
| 19:48.01 | monode | try looking in the syslog (alt+f4... careful.. do alt+f3, then press f4 without releasing alt) what happens when you plug the stick in |
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| 19:48.31 | msrd0 | mjt: last tab in print dialog (druckqualität, dont know how to translate) |
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| 19:49.03 | Megaf | monode: well, at first it complains about the encondig, its UTF-8 |
| 19:49.31 | monode | hmm, seems like it enumerates and mounts the fs |
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| 19:49.56 | monode | i'm not familliar with your device, but last time i had this problem it turns out i had the wrong drive. |
| 19:49.56 | ted20 | Why I don't see usb 3.0 pendrive in fdisk -l? |
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| 19:50.09 | ted20 | It works only in usb 3.0 mode |
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| 19:50.23 | Megaf | it can find the file, ath9k_htc probe of .... faile with error -22 |
| 19:50.27 | Megaf | cant* |
| 19:50.33 | monode | if the vid/pid from the driver won't match with the device, then it won't use the drive |
| 19:50.37 | mjt | msrd0: that tab is printer-dependent really. But yes, I can change resolution in there too, 300/600/1200dpi. No matter what I set there, it is still like a newspaper :) |
| 19:50.53 | zamaliphe | upgrade mysql to 5.6 try to remove kde any help previnting that ? |
| 19:51.55 | Megaf | monode: I will just install debian without network |
| 19:52.17 | monode | if you have a local repo, sure |
| 19:52.18 | Megaf | I made this work before compying that file to /lib/firmware |
| 19:52.20 | msrd0 | mjt: like those pages i want to print in landscape format but it prints in portrait format? ;) |
| 19:52.27 | Megaf | http://windycitytech.blogspot.com.br/2013/06/quick-install-of-linux-firmware.html |
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| 19:52.40 | Megaf | Thats my device and the firwmware I downloaded |
| 19:52.46 | RickyB98 | how weird is this: ls tells me a file exists, then i do ./file to run it, it says "no such file or directory" |
| 19:53.07 | monode | or the first two cds or what's needed.. tbh, i installed it only once from a non-netboot source |
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| 19:53.42 | monode | RickyB98: probably trying to run a 32bit binary on a 64 bit system |
| 19:53.46 | jmcnaught | zamaliphe: where are you installing MySQL 5.6 from? It sounds like you're using a third-party repository that conflicts with and/or breaks packages in Debian |
| 19:54.13 | monode | RickyB98: #ldd file? |
| 19:54.14 | RickyB98 | monode it's an eggdrop |
| 19:54.47 | mjt | msrd0: i can rotate, scale and move things in there, it is okay. But the quality is always bad. No matter which pictures/photos/quality settings I choose. |
| 19:54.55 | mjt | it looks like the prob is the printer driver |
| 19:55.07 | Megaf | monode: as work around I managed to share the nework from wifi to ethernet using my laptop |
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| 19:57.34 | msrd0 | mjt: yes i know that iceweasel ignores some settings of the print dialog, it the same on my system. dont know what you can do if your programms just ignore those settings or dont even allow you to set them |
| 19:57.55 | zamaliphe | jmcnaught: http://pastebin.com/bFsndSJ0 |
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| 19:58.34 | jmcnaught | zamaliphe: you should probably ask for help in #ubuntu this is the Debian support channel |
| 19:58.46 | mjt | msrd0: it is the same with all other programs i've tried, eg, eog and gimp |
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| 19:59.12 | Lope | ifconfig eth0 mtu 9000 does not seem to work in debian? |
| 19:59.18 | Lope | if I do "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" I don't have any problems. |
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| 19:59.29 | Lope | if I add "mtu 9000" to the /etc/network/interfaces file then ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 fails to bring eth0 back up. |
| 19:59.36 | Lope | I get an error saying RTNETLINK answers: file exists. restoring the interfaces file to it's original state does not help, I still get the same error when trying "ifup eth0". Only a reboot solves it. Any ideas? |
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| 20:03.50 | msrd0 | mjt: did you try to print the image using lp? i think there is an option to specify the resolution but i dont know anymore what it was |
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| 20:06.33 | msrd0 | mjt: or try this (very short) instruction: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting#Printing_Pictures |
| 20:07.26 | albru123 | How to run ethtool during startup properly? |
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| 20:09.07 | owen1 | I have a terminal emulator that is 'stuck'. i can't use it and i can't kill it. is this output helpful to investigate this? http://paste.debian.net/104022/ |
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| 20:09.50 | msrd0 | owen1: why cant you kill it? |
| 20:09.53 | mjt | msrd0: I tried printing using cups (lp) too, before asking here. The same thing: it ignores all quality settings. |
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| 20:12.40 | mjt | heh. and from win* it prints equally badly too |
| 20:12.54 | mjt | msrd0: ^^ |
| 20:12.55 | mjt | ;( |
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| 20:13.03 | msrd0 | albru123: add the program to your /etc/rc.local file |
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| 20:13.20 | msrd0 | mjt: do you really think windoof solves problems? |
| 20:13.33 | msrd0 | sry, windoof = windows |
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| 20:13.55 | mjt | i do really think that most vendors care about windows most |
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| 20:14.43 | msrd0 | mjt: if there is a firmware for linux, it will work as good as on windows |
| 20:15.00 | mjt | and? |
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| 20:15.32 | msrd0 | mjt: nothing, i meant that it will fail on all os |
| 20:15.35 | Hell-Razor | rmmmmm well i am in debian (yay) and have it running except i am having issues getting nvidia working correctly |
| 20:15.58 | yuuko | msrd0: hardly. remember the state of ATI/AMD drivers in 2009/2008? |
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| 20:16.03 | yuuko | jeesus |
| 20:16.05 | Hell-Razor | stupid thing |
| 20:16.08 | owen1 | msrd0: i try 'kill <pid>' and it gets new pid and there is still a visible window. (i use i3) |
| 20:16.27 | mjt | msrd0: windows uses different drivers for this printer. Windows uses entirely different drivers for many things. For example, this broadcom wifi card works just fine under windows, but does not work under linux, even if the linux driver claims the device is supported. |
| 20:16.46 | mjt | msrd0: so there are a lot of examples where you're wrong, unfortunately |
| 20:17.14 | msrd0 | yuuko: no, i dont have a amd device, and 2009 i was still using winXP |
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| 20:17.36 | msrd0 | owen1: try to kill the process from a separate program (e.g. ksysguard) |
| 20:17.36 | Exagone313 | owen1: and with killall bash ? |
| 20:17.44 | yuuko | the driver ecosystem is incredibly windows-chauvinistic and any statement otherwise is purely one of ignorance. |
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| 20:17.52 | yuuko | ┐('～`；)┌ |
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| 20:18.22 | owen1 | msrd0: Exagone313 already restarted my laptop. next time it happens, i'll try it. |
| 20:18.24 | owen1 | thanks |
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| 20:19.03 | msrd0 | mjt: sure if you use a fake driver, but if the company itself writes a driver for windows and linux they work/fail the same way |
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| 20:20.35 | mjt | msrd0: in this case it is panasonic driver for both windows and linux (and it works badly on both OSes), except that linux driver is 3 years older than windows. With broadcom example, broadcom driver does not work under linux (only with older kernel), and it is way unstable under linux. |
| 20:21.22 | msrd0 | mjt: okay it seems there are some exeptions for that |
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| 20:22.47 | RickyB98 | rickyb98@epsilon:~/eggdrop$ ldd eggdrop |
| 20:22.47 | RickyB98 | not a dynamic executable |
| 20:22.47 | RickyB98 | rickyb98@epsilon:~/eggdrop$ ldd eggdrop-1.6.21 |
| 20:22.47 | RickyB98 | not a dynamic executable |
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| 20:22.57 | RickyB98 | sorry debhelper :-) |
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| 20:23.51 | RickyB98 | i did chmod eggdrop a+x |
| 20:24.04 | RickyB98 | but it still says "no such file or dir" |
| 20:24.09 | RickyB98 | how can i solve this? |
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| 20:25.47 | msrd0 | RickyB98: you need to enter chmod a+x eggdrop |
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| 20:30.43 | moha_hunt | somebody knows how to replace xarchiver for file-roller on thunar-archive-plugin? |
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| 20:31.55 | Hell-Razor | anybody good with X? i am getting an error stating X has failed to initialize the nvidia graphics device, please see the common problems in the help section. i have hunted and hunted and cant figure out what may be wrong |
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| 20:33.07 | rryoumaa | did you look in /usr/share/doc? |
| 20:33.09 | rryoumaa | Hell-Razor: |
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| 20:33.58 | Hell-Razor | yes |
| 20:34.14 | wols_ | Hell-Razor: what does the Xorg.0.log say? |
| 20:35.02 | Hell-Razor | wols_ pretty much what I typed... give me a minute im installing nopaste quick |
| 20:35.11 | Exagone313 | hi, is there a way to open a graphical session on a server thought an online service? |
| 20:35.32 | RickyB98 | msrd0, yeah i did that.. |
| 20:35.44 | RickyB98 | i made a mistake writing in irc, but i did chmod a+x eggdrop |
| 20:35.46 | RickyB98 | same result |
| 20:36.14 | RickyB98 | i gotta go.. i'll see tomoz.. cya :-) |
| 20:36.15 | Hell-Razor | http://pastie.org/9271631 |
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| 20:36.18 | Exagone313 | i can maybe create a virtual screen but without keyboard and mouse it's useless |
| 20:37.28 | Hell-Razor | my .conf is http://pastie.org/9271633 |
| 20:37.29 | wols_ | Hell-Razor: lsmodule |grep nvidia |
| 20:37.53 | Hell-Razor | wols_ found but being used my i2c_core |
| 20:38.11 | wols_ | Hell-Razor: and what nvidia chip is it? |
| 20:38.20 | Hell-Razor | what card? 285gtx |
| 20:39.31 | wols_ | Hell-Razor: you are using the wrong driver version: "NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 96.43.23 " you are using a legacy driver when you have a current enough card |
| 20:39.48 | wols_ | ,v nvidia-glx |
| 20:39.49 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.117-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+2; jessie/non-free: 331.67-2; sid/non-free: 331.79-1; experimental/non-free: 337.19-1 |
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| 20:39.59 | Hell-Razor | hrmm ok |
| 20:40.04 | wols_ | that 304.x is the one you need |
| 20:40.04 | Hell-Razor | lets see how i can fix it to reinstall |
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| 20:41.34 | albru123 | msrd0: it should be in interfaces, or not? |
| 20:41.40 | Megaf | Folks, When I install Debian XFCE or GNOME it creates properly all thos defaults folders on my home, Documents, Downloads and stuff... I didnt do that on Debian KDE |
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| 20:41.48 | Megaf | what package should I install to get that? |
| 20:42.05 | Hell-Razor | thank you wols |
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| 20:42.56 | teraflops | some package related to xdg? Megaf? |
| 20:43.17 | Megaf | indeed |
| 20:43.23 | Megaf | xdg-user-dirs |
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| 20:48.42 | teraflops | Megaf: i do not use kde but may be is there a _kdeish_ xdg stuff anyway i have no idea |
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| 20:53.59 | Hell-Razor | wols_ sigh now another error. lol wtf http://pastie.org/9271659 |
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| 20:58.21 | ted20 | Where's package with gtk styles? |
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| 20:59.06 | CeBe | ted20: what kind of package? |
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| 21:00.28 | ted20 | CeBe: Simply I need something to change default gtk style. I've lxappearance, but i haven't styles |
| 21:02.32 | harkx | exit |
| 21:03.28 | ted20 | How to change? |
| 21:04.59 | CeBe | ted20: not sure but maybe this helps: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=55907 |
| 21:05.43 | ted20 | I see that |
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| 21:05.50 | albru123 | quick question, is rsync ignoring hidden files? (starting with dot)? |
| 21:06.02 | ted20 | Debian has package for it |
| 21:06.21 | CeBe | albru123: not if they are located in a directory |
| 21:06.37 | albru123 | and hidden directories? |
| 21:06.44 | rryoumaa | albru123: not unless you tell it to |
| 21:06.51 | CeBe | if you do rsync * they are ignored just because * does not match them |
| 21:07.00 | rryoumaa | shells are tricky |
| 21:07.05 | CeBe | this is not rsync related anymore ;) |
| 21:07.30 | CeBe | albru123: so you have to be a bit more specific about your question :) |
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| 21:08.53 | gregor2 | exit |
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| 21:09.39 | albru123 | I did: rsync ~/dev /mnt/myhdd |
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| 21:09.58 | albru123 | And then: diff -r ~/dev /mnt/myhdd |
| 21:10.10 | rryoumaa | unless there is something strange about the fs, dot files are files |
| 21:10.17 | rryoumaa | of course . and .. are different |
| 21:10.22 | albru123 | and every file in directory ".git" was ignored |
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| 21:12.45 | albru123 | So what I should do now? |
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| 21:19.12 | rryoumaa | does diff -r tell you everything you need to know? |
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| 21:19.45 | rryoumaa | so a had no .git but b did? |
| 21:19.47 | albru123 | rryoumaa: depends on what do you thing I need to know |
| 21:20.18 | albru123 | Almost every file excepts .git directories was copied |
| 21:20.40 | albru123 | I just need to be sure that EVERYTHING is copied |
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| 21:20.51 | rryoumaa | no errors? normally people run rsync with at least -a |
| 21:20.55 | mjt | w |
| 21:20.57 | mjt | er |
| 21:21.41 | rryoumaa | there is a friendly #rsync channel, btw, if you can narrow it to just rsync |
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| 21:23.14 | rryoumaa | but i suspect something fairly obvious is wrong |
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| 21:30.23 | albru123 | rryoumaa: this is Jessie, everything is wrong |
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| 21:34.38 | moha_hunt | somebody knows how to replace xarchiver for file-roller on thunar-archive-plugin? |
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| 21:41.17 | Lope | I've got a LAN with 7 machines in close proximity: mostly gigabit and a few 100mbit PC's. Is it better to use UDP or TCP for my NFS? (files are 50KB up to a few MB each) |
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| 21:42.35 | CeBe | Lope: the question should rather be about a higher level protocol than UDP vs. TCP |
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| 21:42.59 | CeBe | except you want to write your NFS software from scratch :) |
| 21:44.30 | Lope | lol, using debians built in nfs |
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| 21:48.07 | diginet | this is probably a very dumb question, but, what exactly is the point of D-bus? |
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| 21:48.30 | ompaul | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus |
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| 21:49.54 | doublehp | diginet: d-bus is some how, a communication network, to help applications communicate a new and richer way that before |
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| 21:50.18 | doublehp | diginet: in the past, we used to have IPC, and lo, but both have complicated limits |
| 21:50.29 | diginet | no I mean I know what it does, but isn't there performance penalties? |
| 21:50.35 | doublehp | diginet: dbus intriduces for example the concept of broadcast |
| 21:50.35 | diginet | even microkernels do IPC in the kernel |
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| 21:51.14 | doublehp | dbus does not lock anything if a buffer is empty of full; dbus does not make apps freese when buffer is stuck |
| 21:52.13 | diginet | hmm okay |
| 21:53.03 | doublehp | software bus are more ... flexible :) but, yes, if not used correctly, it can have performance penalties |
| 21:53.25 | blackjack | umm excuse me. Can someone teach me how to ssh tunnel here?:) |
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| 21:54.10 | doublehp | it's heaviliy used for desktop and multimedia; the most important feature for me is the ability to share an event between several apps; one app can broadcast an event, and "take it who want it": the sender is not aware of every single receiver |
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| 21:54.29 | diginet | ah neat, well thanks for clearing that up |
| 21:54.42 | doublehp | blackjack: it's OT; /msg me, or join me in #linux |
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| 22:00.39 | GuidovanPossum | I tried to install nvidia drivers and didn't have luck with them now I'm trying to get back to where I was on fresh install, but am stuck on: driver experience fallback |
| 22:01.27 | GuidovanPossum | does anyone know of an easy way to switch back to defaut like how the netisntall 7.5 wheezy would do it? |
| 22:03.22 | jmcnaught | GuidovanPossum: did you remove the nvidia driver packages that you had installed? Also if you created xorg.conf, you could remove it (otherwise remove the parts that were added) |
| 22:04.04 | GuidovanPossum | I did try to remove and deleted the xorg.conf file contents that were added |
| 22:04.49 | jmcnaught | GuidovanPossum: and you rebooted after removing the nvidia drivers? |
| 22:05.08 | GuidovanPossum | yes I did reboot after |
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| 22:06.16 | GuidovanPossum | and if I were to do a fresh netinstall I've coppied home to an external and can just move it back after right? |
| 22:06.41 | jmcnaught | GuidovanPossum: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" might help. Could you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 22:07.38 | jmcnaught | GuidovanPossum: copying the files back into /home from the external after reinstalling should work, but if it's a FAT filesystem the attributes might be wrong |
| 22:09.38 | jmcnaught | GuidovanPossum: also thank you for Python if that was you :) |
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| 22:18.01 | GuidovanPossum | not me, but I do enjoy it too here's the paste: http://paste.debian.net/104032/ |
| 22:18.56 | GuidovanPossum | thanks for you're help I don't know exactly what I did wrong, but I haven't been using it too long so if I have to reinstall it's not that big of a deal |
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| 22:26.45 | moha_hunt | do somebody know how to replace archiver app on thunar? |
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| 22:29.04 | GuidovanPossum | I think I may just reinstall and while it's doing that I'll write on the blackboard 100 times: I will not drink beers, give myself root access, and "play" with drivers thinking I will "fix" things. ;-) |
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| 22:30.49 | jmcnaught | GuidovanPossum: okay. looking at your logs it seems to be using the fallback vesa drivers. Maybe the default nouveau modules are still blacklisted (which is done when installing the proprietary drivers). I don't have Nvidia some I'm sort of the blind leading the blind here. But I would check in /etc/modprobe.d to see if something in there is blacklisting nouveau |
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| 22:37.22 | GuidovanPossum | sure, I looked through there for the nouveau blacklist but didn't see one, I appreciate the help, I'm still really new to debian so I can mess it up quickly, but at least I'm starting to learn more because of it, I set up codeblocks and openframeworks on it and they run great and I've been really enjoying it thanks all! |
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| 22:44.19 | lamrz | hello, I typed 'ps -aux' to see running programmes, how could I tell whether there are suspect programmes like a keylogger? |
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| 22:45.01 | lamrz | the reason of my question is not paranoia, but a very important one. |
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| 22:46.53 | gry | In Jessie, 'octave' depends on 'default-jre-headless', but it doesn't in wheezy. Is that because of their default configure setting since some version? |
| 22:46.57 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.16 | ramers | ? |
| 22:47.16 | zykotick9 | lamrz: though it doesn't really matter, the correct command is "ps aux" |
| 22:47.28 | gry | lamrz: Read the list of processes and make sure you know what each one does. |
| 22:47.38 | lamrz | gry, hi |
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| 22:47.50 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.11 | ramers | hi all . |
| 22:48.12 | jmcnaught | !fr |
| 22:48.12 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 22:48.22 | ramers | like iam see repeat hi all ; |
| 22:48.25 | ramers | like iam see repeat hi all; |
| 22:48.33 | ramers | like iam see repeat hi all. |
| 22:48.38 | gry | ramers, Hi. |
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| 22:48.45 | gry | ramers, See what dpkg said above. |
| 22:48.47 | ramers | THANK YOU; |
| 22:48.57 | ramers | thank YOU . |
| 22:48.59 | gry | You're welcome. |
| 22:49.10 | ramers | THANK YOU FOR YOU HI |
| 22:51.21 | gry | lamrz, Hi. |
| 22:51.35 | ramers | to smell and writting of little tanK you |
| 22:51.39 | ramers | to smell and writting of little thanK you |
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| 22:52.06 | ramers | like told and writting the conversation . yes all . |
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| 22:54.03 | lamrz | the other question would be, if there were any keylogger, would I be able to get to what it keylogged? |
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| 22:54.39 | ramers | what about you lamrz ? |
| 22:54.53 | lamrz | ramers, complicated story. |
| 22:55.02 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.11 | petn-randall | lamrz: If done right a keylogger would be practically undetectable, so you might ask your real question now. |
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| 22:56.08 | ramers | set mode |
| 22:56.38 | ramers | glitch on there this all |
| 22:56.38 | lamrz | petn-randall, if there were any keylogger or sth similar on my device, the OS of which I keep using for a long enough time, and I could get to the data of keystrokes, it might ironically be my hope of getting back my password. |
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| 22:57.03 | ramers | not glitch just ingénieur |
| 22:57.09 | ramers | of there |
| 22:57.12 | ramers | on tome |
| 22:57.14 | petn-randall | ramers: Please don't spam the channel. |
| 22:57.15 | ramers | on time |
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| 22:57.31 | ramers | more it cinéma and journalist |
| 22:57.39 | ramers | more it cinéma and journalist poeple . |
| 22:57.47 | ramers | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.48 | petn-randall | ramers: If you need Debian support in french, you can check out #debian-fr. |
| 22:57.51 | lamrz | the device I talk about has in particular been the subject of a talk concerning keyloggers..but ok, that's a hardware issue. |
| 22:58.06 | tlund | oh god, oh god - my eye, the burning, make it stop. |
| 22:58.15 | jmcnaught | petn-randall: this is not ramers's first time here playing broken record, probably best to just ignore him |
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| 22:58.34 | ramers | of that |
| 22:58.35 | petn-randall | !ops ramers |
| 22:58.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: ramers |
| 22:58.38 | ramers | on first |
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| 22:59.25 | ramers | the weather à beatiful in world at all . |
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| 22:59.38 | malclocke | anybody else having problems with chromium plugins since the last security upgrade? mine have all stopped working. |
| 22:59.48 | petn-randall | somiaj: thanks. |
| 23:00.23 | petn-randall | lamrz: Again, this is highly hypothetical. A keylogger doesn't even have to log any keystrokes on disk, it could also just send it out somewhere for collection. |
| 23:00.40 | somiaj | malclocke: yes chromium droped support for the old netscape plugin api and only uses the pepper plugin api |
| 23:00.45 | petn-randall | lamrz: If you lost your root password, there are easier ways to recover it. |
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| 23:01.06 | somiaj | malclocke: you can get pepperflash from nonfree, but there is no java plugin, haven't messed with to many others. |
| 23:01.31 | malclocke | somiaj thanks. main concern is hangouts, which I need for $dayjob |
| 23:01.34 | lamrz | petn-randall, the password in question is locked up in a LUKS-encrypted disk. and chances of a brute force are not any better. |
| 23:02.05 | lamrz | petn-randall, that's why I'm posing such questions. |
| 23:02.15 | somiaj | malclocke: is it supported by google-chrome, you may have to just run the non-free browser until more plugins are made available |
| 23:02.21 | frostschutz | lamrz, so you didn't find your keyring, I take it? it's game over then, bud. if you're looking for keyloggers now you're just wasting time |
| 23:02.36 | petn-randall | lamrz: Consider the data gone, there won't be a keylogger on the machine unless you have concrete suspicions. |
| 23:02.39 | lamrz | frostschutz, no I couldn't. |
| 23:02.54 | lamrz | what about rootkit etc..? |
| 23:02.55 | malclocke | somiaj, ok, thanks. was hoping to avoid that but may have to. |
| 23:03.19 | petn-randall | lamrz: The data is gone. Restore from backups. |
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| 23:03.45 | jmcnaught | lamrz: a friend told me never to clean my keyboard so it'll be easier to notice if it's been tampered with (to install a physical key logger) |
| 23:04.00 | frostschutz | jmcnaught, ew |
| 23:04.28 | petn-randall | jmcnaught: Oh, *that's* why those admin keyboards look so dirty ... |
| 23:04.55 | jmcnaught | exactly! |
| 23:05.14 | lamrz | petn-randall, do keyloggers always leave enough traces to induce concrete suspicions? |
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| 23:06.29 | wondiws | I'm using Gnome in the classic setting, Is there a shortkey for the menu with the "Power Off" and "Log out" stuff? |
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| 23:07.30 | frostschutz | lamrz, if you know a significant part (6+ chars) of your password, you can use strings and grep to search for it in raw data. if it was stored (or logged) in cleartext anywhere, that would find it |
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| 23:07.58 | petn-randall | lamrz: no, but that's also the job of a clandestine keylogger. Your chances to bruteforce the key are higher than to find a keylogger on your system that *also* leaves a log unencrypted on disk, and *doesn't* wipe it's data upon detection. |
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| 23:08.46 | lamrz | frostschutz, do you mean the raw data on which drive? |
| 23:09.04 | frostschutz | lamrz, but this is a hopeless endeavour really |
| 23:09.28 | frostschutz | lamrz, which drive? how am I supposed to know, sheesh, seriously |
| 23:09.30 | petn-randall | lamrz: Do you have backups of the data? |
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| 23:11.08 | somiaj | malclocke: iceweasel still has the old plugin support you could use that. (: |
| 23:11.55 | lamrz | petn-randall, no. the whole thing happened during a reinstall, so I didn't keep a second backup, as the reinstall would take minutes, during which I likely wouldnt lose the first backup for any reason..which was a major mistake concerning only keyrings. |
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| 23:13.47 | lamrz | frostschutz, I didnt mean to ask you literally which drive..I meant to say whether this method should be applied to drives where the data once has been and deleted. |
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| 23:15.14 | frostschutz | ... |
| 23:16.21 | malclocke | somiaj, yeh, that looks like it is going to be the solution for now. do you know if chrome is likely to go the same way? |
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| 23:17.55 | somiaj | malclocke: what do you mean by that? It may be a while for some plugins to get rewritten for pepper api, others may never have that happen, linux was the first version hit, but they plan to phase it out in all versions by the end of the year |
| 23:18.09 | somiaj | that is google-chrome/chromium |
| 23:18.21 | lamrz | I might have guesses for 6+ and maybe more characters..but does this bring something for password files that are..encrypted? |
| 23:20.22 | malclocke | somiaj, given that the hangouts plugin is a google product, I'm assuming it still works on Linux in chrome. maybe that assumption is wrong ... |
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| 23:24.13 | frostschutz | lamrz, obviously no. strings and grep would only give you plain text data |
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| 23:35.27 | lamrz | frostschutz, so I must have saved the password at least once on some text editor. I think in the case of needed passwords I havent done it |
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| 23:37.15 | somiaj | malclocke: that is what I said earier, there is a chance that the version from google supports the papi plugin interface |
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| 23:44.31 | JyZyXEL | and silently used a wrong email address |
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