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| 00:00.15 | HiDeHo-NZ | ok thanks |
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| 00:00.49 | hanshenrik_ | !sex |
| 00:00.50 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 00:03.26 | HiDeHo-NZ | hanshenrik_, I thought this was a this is a family channel. why would that command even be in the bot |
| 00:03.51 | HiDeHo-NZ | hi all is there a jessie main repo out yet |
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| 00:06.03 | zykotick9 | HiDeHo-NZ: i'd say the f word, but don't want to be accused of talking like a sailor. i bot use to, or maybe still does, keep track of the people who swear - but this isn't #u ;) |
| 00:06.17 | zykotick9 | s/i bot/a bot/ |
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| 00:07.05 | HiDeHo-NZ | yes ok but still you hve to realise that this channel is not age restricted so i would not use commands like that |
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| 00:08.01 | zykotick9 | HiDeHo-NZ: again, this is not #u, it's generally assumed people joining #d have heard the f-word/etc before (within reason obviously!) |
| 00:08.03 | fredo | i don't imagine a lot of 5-year-olds hang out in the exciting #debian, and i don't imagine many 15 year olds haven't heard all those words |
| 00:08.29 | zykotick9 | fredo: great minds think alike, and fools seldom differ |
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| 00:09.02 | fredo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:10.56 | HiDeHo-NZ | ji all for icewweasel is there a plugin for flashplayer. as i dont hav flashplayer in repos |
| 00:11.48 | fredo | HiDeHo-NZ: flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 00:11.55 | HiDeHo-NZ | chromium does but its not on arm |
| 00:11.58 | zykotick9 | HiDeHo-NZ: i hear, flashplugin-nonfree (or similar) is in the contrib repo (if you have that enabled). /me thinks flash needs to die |
| 00:12.26 | zykotick9 | HiDeHo-NZ: chromium might have issues with iceweasel/firefox plugins now! you may need to use chrome :( |
| 00:12.27 | HiDeHo-NZ | fredo, as i said that is not on arm. |
| 00:12.33 | HiDeHo-NZ | i will ask in #firefox |
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| 00:12.42 | zykotick9 | HiDeHo-NZ: i don't think arm has propritary flash... |
| 00:12.56 | HiDeHo-NZ | Zyf_Too, there is no chromium/chrom for arm |
| 00:13.02 | zykotick9 | gnash maybe? |
| 00:13.14 | zophy | tracy morgan was a debian user |
| 00:14.31 | zophy | chrome seems to be a quick rendering browser |
| 00:14.48 | zophy | is chrome a debian package ? |
| 00:14.59 | HiDeHo-NZ | zykotick9, ok that may be ok. does gnash work on all sites needing flashplugin |
| 00:15.07 | zophy | dpkg, chrome |
| 00:15.07 | dpkg | from memory, chrome is Mozilla's term for a theme or skin, or "Google Chrome", a web browser by Google based on Chromium, ask me about <chromium>. For VIA UniChrome / Chrome9 support, ask me about <openchrome>. |
| 00:15.29 | zophy | dpkg, chromium |
| 00:15.29 | dpkg | Chromium is an open source web browser produced by Google, based on WebKit. Google Chrome is based on Chromium. Packaged as chromium in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and chromium-browser in Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". http://wiki.debian.org/Chromium http://www.chromium.org/Home #chromium-support on irc.freenode.net. For the game formerly known as Chromium, ask me about <chromium-bsu>. |
| 00:15.38 | HiDeHo-NZ | zophy, chrome browser is not linux app. on linux we haev chromium the opensorce version of chrome |
| 00:15.45 | zophy | yes, i use webkit oftyen |
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| 00:16.23 | zophy | i forget my own genius all too often |
| 00:16.45 | zophy | such is the fate of us immortals |
| 00:17.31 | zykotick9 | HiDeHo-NZ: no, gnash works with "some" flash sites... don't expect parity performance! |
| 00:17.59 | zophy | screw flash, develope with html5 !! |
| 00:18.32 | HiDeHo-NZ | well i think these days sites should update themselves and run html5 which is slowly taking over flash |
| 00:18.55 | HiDeHo-NZ | zophy, cnt say that sa many websites still run flash adn no html5 support |
| 00:19.27 | zophy | \i notice that youtube will provide an html5 feed if my browserf doesn't support flash |
| 00:19.36 | zophy | this is good |
| 00:20.03 | HiDeHo-NZ | yes youtube html5 is ok but needs to be improved they still rely on and support flash more |
| 00:20.37 | HiDeHo-NZ | the youtube html5 si getting beter though |
| 00:21.00 | HiDeHo-NZ | admits he know litle bits here and there. adn does not now everything |
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| 00:26.38 | lokus | trying to get flash going with a wheezy install, but pepperflashplugin-nonfree isn't available in my repos. any tips? i just added '<...> wheezy main contrib non-free' to my sources.list because i also needed to pull down a non-free wifi firmware, so it 'should' be available |
| 00:27.24 | hanshenrik__ | HiDeHo-NZ, turns out, the coder had a sense of humor :) |
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| 00:28.06 | hanshenrik__ | HiDeHo-NZ, though, exactly what part of that is not family friendly? i can only think of 1 word, "condom", perhaps |
| 00:28.24 | fredo | haha |
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| 00:30.03 | ^7heo | okay, I need help with dash, or possibly even sh |
| 00:30.16 | ^7heo | I would like to get the name of a script, in a portable way. |
| 00:30.24 | ^7heo | I guess that $_ isn't? |
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| 00:30.59 | hanshenrik__ | petn-randall, jhutchins, both were correct, oh also Ubuntu 14.04 has the same issue. also more specifically, its not lxde, its gdm :o |
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| 00:31.19 | ^7heo | and readlink isn't necessarily present, or? |
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| 00:39.02 | buu | Hey, where could I find out when apt was created? |
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| 00:39.14 | Cpuroast | petn-randall: solved my issue :) |
| 00:40.17 | Tylertwo | Hey, I'm having some trouble streaming to Twitch. Any of you successfully done that with Debian? |
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| 00:40.50 | buu | 1998 apparently |
| 00:41.19 | centrx | buu, define "created" |
| 00:41.55 | buu | centrx: Released. |
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| 00:43.07 | centrx | buu, First released with Debian 2.1 1999 |
| 00:43.48 | centrx | buu, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-detailed.en.html#s4.3 |
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| 00:46.58 | buu | centrx: Odd, wiki claims 98 |
| 00:47.19 | centrx | wikipedia is retarded |
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| 00:48.37 | centrx | buu, It was available in experimental before then, but it was released as the package manager with the slink Debian release |
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| 00:55.50 | fredo | Does anyone know if there's a sid-based livecd anywhere that includes a 3.14 kernel? |
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| 01:15.42 | fredo | Hm, does anyone know of any desktop livecd that has a 3.14 or newer kernel? Beta or rolling release or whatever would be fine. I'd just like to test out the 3.14 kernel in a temporary environment. |
| 01:16.01 | fredo | Any popular distro. |
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| 01:17.08 | bato | fredo: otherwise backports have it? |
| 01:17.26 | bato | should be easy to revert if you're not happy with it |
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| 01:19.36 | fredo | bato: Yeah, I installed it from backports in Wheezy, but I'm not getting what I want out of it. I'm trying to fix audio and video issues for a somewhat recent board, but the fglrx module isn't building for the backported kernel for whatever reason, and the audio's screwed up. So I was originally hoping to find a sid-based livecd that would have pretty bleeding-edge everything that would help. But I can't find anything that has a r |
| 01:19.57 | bato | gotcha. |
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| 02:14.15 | zophy | the LV couple are the obvious debian users |
| 02:16.35 | zophy | when unhinged souls have access to this kind of rhetoric, it is easy to see the kind of action they will take:: when they are debian users |
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| 02:17.45 | zophy | in the end:: they simply kill the processes |
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| 02:24.28 | zophy | i stomp the grapes of ill user contentment and rue the obvious under current of trans ether involvrment |
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| 02:26.01 | dvs | !confuse zophy |
| 02:26.01 | dpkg | Yes, how was your gouda today, zophy? Breeches of the Dictatorship of Tahiti with extra ham. |
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| 02:26.31 | zophy | some debian users think that questions about linux and debian belong on |
| 02:26.39 | dvs | !ops nargas is pm spamming |
| 02:26.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dvs complains about: nargas is pm spamming |
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| 02:28.53 | ^7heo | guys |
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| 02:29.15 | ^7heo | what's the status for patch-tracker.d.o ? |
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| 02:32.53 | ^7heo | and is there any place where patches can be found in the meanwhile? |
| 02:37.14 | zophy | cnn.com contains vile trash |
| 02:37.42 | zophy | oops, that isn't debian specific |
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| 02:37.58 | dvs | ty |
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| 02:38.35 | SynrGy | np |
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| 02:47.46 | zophy | has joined the "kill audrey zhang" webforce |
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| 02:52.07 | ctmjr | !ops zophy is a morbid troll |
| 02:52.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ctmjr complains about: zophy is a morbid troll |
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| 02:53.55 | ^7heo | oh, there is a special command for snitching... |
| 02:54.03 | ^7heo | lovely :) |
| 02:54.29 | zophy | it seems that #debian is a communist channel |
| 02:54.39 | ^7heo | I have nothing against communism |
| 02:54.48 | ^7heo | but I have lots of things against totalitarism |
| 02:55.22 | ^7heo | anyway I'm just here to learn more about that patch-tracker.d.o service which is down for a few weeks afaik. |
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| 02:56.15 | oniMaker | Using apache2 2.4.7 and getting AH00534: apache2: Configuration error: No MPM loaded. but I have an mpm_prefork.load & conf in my mods-enabled directory |
| 02:56.28 | oniMaker | just upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04 which upgraded apache |
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| 02:57.06 | oniMaker | ubuntu that is |
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| 02:57.31 | ^7heo | use nginx. Problem solved. |
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| 03:00.00 | mentor | oniMaker: Does the apache log show any problems loading the module? |
| 03:00.15 | oniMaker | mentor: no, just that error it seems |
| 03:00.29 | oniMaker | ^7heo: I am using nginx |
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| 03:01.50 | ^7heo | oniMaker: then why bother tinkering with Apache2? :) |
| 03:02.04 | ctmjr | oniMaker: maybe you should ask in #ubuntu |
| 03:02.09 | oniMaker | ^7heo: running some sites through nginx, others with apache configs through apache |
| 03:02.12 | oniMaker | ctmjr: did so, no response |
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| 03:04.16 | ^7heo | oniMaker: right. My advice: drop apache even if you're using tomcat. Tomcat can serve http aswell. |
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| 03:07.20 | ctmjr | ^7heo: and for your information that person i called ops on was making jokes about what happened in Las Vegas and wanting to kill an 11 year old girl for her google doodle |
| 03:08.32 | ^7heo | I'm not complaining about what you did since I have no bg info on that. |
| 03:08.54 | ^7heo | I am just surprised that some snitching command is needed. |
| 03:09.20 | mentor | ^7heo: You aren't being very helpful |
| 03:09.44 | ^7heo | that's fine, debian isn't that helpful either. |
| 03:10.00 | ^7heo | especially answering the question regarding the tracker... |
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| 03:10.24 | ^7heo | (for the record, the patch-tracker.d.o) |
| 03:11.12 | mentor | mentor: Be helpful or be silent |
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| 03:12.10 | mentor | oniMaker: Maybe see if another mpm works or has an error as well |
| 03:12.25 | oniMaker | mentor: ok, I'll try that in a minute |
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| 03:14.27 | paul_ | hi, does anyone have an idea how to enable acl's? grep "_ACL" /boot/kernel returns yes for my filesystem, acl package is installed and I executed 'mount -o remount,acl /dev/hda6' |
| 03:14.28 | mentor | ^7heo: I suspect the most up to date information on patch-tracker will be on the mailing list, but I don't know |
| 03:14.36 | paul_ | but mount doesn't show acl |
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| 03:16.05 | cafuego | paul_: Mount eh filesystem with the acl option. |
| 03:16.19 | cafuego | paul_: mount -n -o remount,acl / |
| 03:16.22 | cafuego | getfacl . |
| 03:16.33 | cafuego | Oh soz you already had |
| 03:16.38 | paul_ | cafuego: yeah |
| 03:16.41 | paul_ | setfacl also works |
| 03:16.54 | paul_ | but i don't see "acl" when looking in mount |
| 03:16.55 | cafuego | paul_: `mount' won't show it if you did a remount, afaik. |
| 03:17.20 | cafuego | paul_: I am 99% sure that only shows the mount options as set via fstab. |
| 03:17.28 | ^7heo | mentor: then there is not much happenning =/ |
| 03:17.31 | paul_ | how about /proc/mounts? |
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| 03:18.17 | cafuego | that's prolly where `mount' gets its data from |
| 03:18.27 | paul_ | i see |
| 03:18.30 | paul_ | i tried this way |
| 03:18.31 | paul_ | http://www.projectenvision.com/blog/4/Enable-Support-for-ACL-in-Debian-Ubuntu |
| 03:19.28 | mentor | paul_: Are you concerned the ACLs are not being checked? |
| 03:19.57 | paul_ | mentor: yes |
| 03:20.21 | cafuego | paul_: Test with auser that does *not* have access via ACLs |
| 03:20.29 | mentor | A direct test might be best |
| 03:20.49 | cafuego | when add an ACL to provide access for that user and see that access is now granted |
| 03:21.06 | paul_ | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/50e229be4f5a704dc219 |
| 03:21.07 | mentor | Being that you should have tests that prove you are wrong not that confirm you are right and all |
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| 03:22.41 | mentor | prove you are not wrong |
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| 03:23.30 | ^7heo | it's easy: I am right, I am the proof. Therefore, it is proved. |
| 03:25.09 | paul_ | I've restarted the computer already |
| 03:25.17 | paul_ | after changing fstab to / ext4 acl,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 03:25.26 | paul_ | but it still doesn't come up in mounts |
| 03:25.32 | paul_ | no acl |
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| 03:30.30 | oniMaker | mentor: trying mpm_event and _worker gives the error that php isn't threadsafe and would need to be recompiled |
| 03:30.40 | oniMaker | mentor: using mpm_prefork results in the 'no mpm loaded' message |
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| 03:45.38 | shellox | ok setfacl seems to work |
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| 03:56.11 | DANtheBEASTman | whoops lol |
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| 04:00.18 | shellox | does anyone know a good resource to understand the getacl outout? |
| 04:00.20 | shellox | put |
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| 05:00.03 | Unbeerable | Hi. Is it possible to pass the mirror url for debian pxe install without preseed file? |
| 05:00.24 | Unbeerable | like 'append mirror=myurl'? |
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| 05:01.19 | sea | Hey, thanks to the debian people for adding speech synthesis to the installer |
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| 06:13.21 | braggr | hello |
| 06:13.33 | braggr | i'm on debian right now, so far so good =] |
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| 06:13.47 | braggr | open source nvidia drivers are working very well |
| 06:14.01 | shellox | lol |
| 06:14.10 | shellox | nvidia drivers sucks so hard |
| 06:14.16 | shellox | closed and open source |
| 06:14.19 | braggr | welp |
| 06:14.22 | braggr | it's working okay for me right now |
| 06:14.25 | braggr | what's better? intel? |
| 06:14.48 | shellox | from experience intel works better |
| 06:14.58 | braggr | i'm not enjoying gnome3 |
| 06:15.01 | braggr | =[ |
| 06:15.07 | braggr | i think i might use xfce instead |
| 06:15.16 | braggr | xfce > * |
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| 06:27.05 | tomplast | Hi. Does anyone know of any good web gui solution which has good flexible plugin support? Basically I have several different monitoring / logging software and I would like to tie them all together in a single solution and be able to process / present the data. Any suggestions? |
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| 06:41.07 | lapache_ | hi, how can i know with wich options a binary in .deb has been compiled ? |
| 06:41.30 | mjt | that information is not recorded in .deb |
| 06:42.22 | mjt | you have more than that - you have a complete source with all (re)build instructions included in the source package |
| 06:44.28 | lapache_ | ok i have to see in source package, thanks |
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| 07:34.25 | cumlaude | hi all! i'm wondering which packets i am missing since libreoffice does not display the text in any menus/drop down lists/buttons |
| 07:34.41 | txomon|fon | I have one bug reported, but I don't know how to mark that I have provided needed info |
| 07:34.46 | txomon|fon | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=708587 |
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| 07:40.41 | cumlaude | oh, it seems removing the package libreoffice-kde solved it |
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| 08:25.33 | ectospasm | "pactl set-sink-mute @DEFAULT_SINK@ toggle" will mute audio, but will not unmute it. Any ideas why? |
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| 08:26.07 | sandman13 | what does this mean? ' Remember that the upstream version part (1.0.1e) doesn't change when security bugs are fixed in stable releases; ask me about <security backports>. ' |
| 08:27.49 | ectospasm | sandman, it means that the upstream version doesn't change. This is why the Debian package for the Linux kernel (linux-image...) shows e.g. 3.2.0-4-amd64, while the actual kernel version is: 3.2.57-3+deb7u |
| 08:28.11 | ectospasm | sandman13: ^ |
| 08:28.13 | jelly | sandman13: it means that in debian 7, the version of openssl source the binary packages are based on remains at 1.0.1e |
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| 08:29.18 | jelly | ectospasm: the kernel is a different beast, there the version actually changes from 3.2.46 to 3.2.51 to 3.2.57 |
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| 08:29.48 | sandman13 | jelly: ectospasm am I at risk even if I apply the security patches? I use Debian 7 for desktop only and I remember upgrading the openssl |
| 08:30.09 | jelly | sandman13: you are not, that's the point of patching. |
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| 08:31.38 | sandman13 | jelly: ectospasm: thanks |
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| 09:17.22 | paul_grozav | Guys, regarding the topic from Friday, about setting MySQL's datadir on NFS here's what I found: "Permitting multiple MySQL servers to access a common data directory over NFS is a very bad idea." http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/multiple-data-directories.html |
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| 09:18.51 | ectospasm | sounds like one would trash it |
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| 09:21.15 | paul_grozav | I guess that it's also a bad idea to set the datadir to a FTP mount, right? :) |
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| 09:23.54 | ectospasm | prolly has less locking than NFS |
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| 09:25.53 | wols_ | paul_grozav: you cannot access files randomly via ssh. so no you can't do that |
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| 09:26.25 | wols_ | and your link specifies the concurrent access by different mysql instances. if it's only one it will work, it will just be slow |
| 09:27.17 | paul_grozav | wols_ : so, setting mysql's datadir on a NFS is doable? can it be done? |
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| 09:27.38 | wols_ | why wouldn't it? |
| 09:28.09 | wols_ | as long as only a single server acceses it and you can live with the bad performance |
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| 09:32.53 | petn-randall | Cpuroast: Good to hear, what was it? |
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| 09:36.31 | paul_grozav | Here's the problem I have when setting MySQL's datadir on a remote FS: http://pastebin.com/Y887sUJD |
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| 09:37.56 | nkuttler | paul_grozav: fwiw, networked fs for a db sounds like a bad idea to me. why not enable remote access? the overhead of networking the entire filesystem.. |
| 09:38.43 | jelly | paul_grozav: you're still trying to do that? |
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| 09:39.39 | jelly | paul_grozav: have you asked #mysql whether it was supposed to work at all? |
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| 09:40.11 | paul_grozav | jelly : I started the discussion again with this quote: "Permitting multiple MySQL servers to access a common data directory over NFS is a very bad idea." http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/multiple-data-directories.html |
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| 09:40.53 | paul_grozav | jelly: no, I didn't ask at #mysql but I will now that you gave me this ideea :) |
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| 09:41.02 | jelly | paul_grozav: you're using multiple mysqlds? |
| 09:41.14 | paul_grozav | jelly: No, just one mysql |
| 09:41.16 | paul_grozav | d |
| 09:41.18 | petn-randall | Why would you want to put MySQL's datadir on NFS? The performance will suck so hard it would pull you in, too. |
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| 09:42.02 | jelly | paul_grozav: export and use something that looks like a block device instead. nbd or drbd or iscsi. |
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| 09:42.23 | petn-randall | Even that should suck hard due to the latency. |
| 09:42.50 | GazzaBazza | Hi. |
| 09:43.01 | ectospasm | you'd probably need something that was designed for this, like a SAN |
| 09:43.14 | GazzaBazza | I'm running a VPS and I'm wanting to make sure that apache isn't running as root |
| 09:43.24 | GazzaBazza | How can I verify this? |
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| 09:43.50 | jelly | petn-randall: latencies on a metal platter disk are much worse than on a dedicated ethernet |
| 09:43.51 | gry | install it from repos, it'll make its own user then |
| 09:43.55 | gry | GazzaBazza, ^ |
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| 09:44.28 | GazzaBazza | Yep I did. |
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| 09:44.29 | paul_grozav | The entire idea behind this is that I need a network equipment that's responsible just with storing the data/files and allow clients(LAN computers) to read/write to the disk |
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| 09:44.43 | asherawelan | Wheres the channel for debian server questions? |
| 09:44.54 | jelly | asherawelan: it's here. |
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| 09:45.31 | gry | jelly, thanks so much for that.. i know some distros that split these two into two channels and the desktop channel is clueless about some things |
| 09:45.32 | asherawelan | jelly: thanks |
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| 09:46.01 | gry | GazzaBazza, to verify, then just look at your processes list, it would be running as separate user in there |
| 09:46.39 | GazzaBazza | ps aux | grep apache2 ? |
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| 09:47.02 | asherawelan | I have a lb config preseed that works perfectly on a system taht has one hd, on sda1. Im now using that same generated image to install on a Dell R720, that was a RAID. The installation only sees one drive, which is the USB stcik I’m booting from, and has called that sda, which is bad news. What do I need to do to get Debian to install on to a RAID? |
| 09:47.10 | gry | GazzaBazza, yes, or 'grep apache' |
| 09:47.17 | gry | without the 2 |
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| 09:49.09 | jelly | asherawelan: did you set up raid and presented a LUN to the OS? |
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| 09:49.52 | asherawelan | jelly: Im not sure I did…. all Ive done so far is find out my tody USB install isnt working :) Can you elaborate please |
| 09:50.04 | petn-randall | jelly: I didn't benchmark it, but the NFS server still needs to get a CPU timeslice before it can serve the data, so I assume the latency will make a difference. |
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| 09:53.16 | jelly | asherawelan: you have to create a raid array and make the OS see it, either from the RAID controller BIOS, or using a vendor-specific tool |
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| 10:05.48 | Martin_vW | Does anyone know why chromium-browser was suddenly updated in stable-security from 34 to 35? http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/chromium-browser.html Seems like an accident to me. |
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| 10:10.45 | SynrGy | Martin_vW: https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2939 |
| 10:10.59 | SynrGy | why did you think that was an accident? |
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| 10:12.42 | Martin_vW | SynrGy: because I only expect pure security fixed on Debian stable, no major updates with functionality changes |
| 10:12.46 | Martin_vW | *fixes |
| 10:13.14 | SynrGy | Martin_vW: how do you think we got to 34? |
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| 10:13.44 | SynrGy | it's a great ideal, but not achievable in any practical way with modern web browsers. this is a change in how security has been handled throughout the wheezy release. |
| 10:14.04 | Martin_vW | hm, ok |
| 10:14.11 | formorer | you can of course try to backport all those fixes. |
| 10:14.26 | formorer | but I doubt that this is practible or even possible in all cases. |
| 10:14.39 | equex | hi. i have three usb devices attached to ttyusb0 ,1 and 2. but ttyusb2 keeps dying on me, regardless of what device is connected to it. it keeps enabling,works for 1 sec and disables it in loop. they are all three on a hub. using latest 7.5. any ideas what to check? |
| 10:14.43 | Martin_vW | OK, thanks for the info, I didn't know that |
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| 10:15.22 | Martin_vW | Is there any documentation on that, in the policy or something? |
| 10:16.36 | petn-randall | equex: Does ttyusb2 map to a specific physical hub? |
| 10:16.55 | SynrGy | there is undoubtedly discussion on the lists. but nothing at my fingertips. |
| 10:17.46 | SynrGy | Martin_vW: there is this: https://www.debian.org/security/faq#oldversion |
| 10:18.22 | Martin_vW | I've found something: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security |
| 10:18.27 | equex | petn-randall: no, ttyusb2 is one of the devices on the hub. not sure what device the hub is on. |
| 10:19.14 | SynrGy | Martin_vW: thanks. noted |
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| 10:19.47 | SynrGy | probably worth making a <browser security> factoid for that |
| 10:20.02 | SynrGy | dpkg: browser security is mount: mounting /dev/block/platform/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/userdata on /data failed: Invalid argument |
| 10:20.03 | dpkg | SynrGy: okay |
| 10:20.05 | SynrGy | argh |
| 10:20.22 | SynrGy | will do this in priv msg with the bot, and use the right paste buffer ;) |
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| 10:22.32 | xoz | !ping |
| 10:22.32 | dpkg | Sorry xoz, you're not online. |
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| 10:30.38 | SynrGy | !browser security |
| 10:30.38 | dpkg | Since wheezy, <security> fixes for several popular web browsers enter <stable> via new versions, not <security backports>. See https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security |
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| 10:30.49 | SynrGy | !security |
| 10:30.49 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
| 10:30.59 | SynrGy | Martin_vW: there. for you. :) |
| 10:31.34 | SynrGy | hm. it won't age well ('stable' pointer will be updated). |
| 10:32.41 | SynrGy | so /stable/ -> /wheezy/ in my final version. |
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| 10:33.43 | petn-randall | equex: Standard way to debug this is to plug out USB devices until it stop happening, then check it in different combinations. If you know which device is causing this, plug that device without hub into the USB port. I'm assuming the hub is causing trouble, but you can verify it by doing what I mentioned. |
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| 10:42.15 | Martin_vW | SynrGy: thanks ^^ |
| 10:42.37 | SynrGy | np. you're definitely not the first to ask :) |
| 10:43.46 | SynrGy | (and to clarify, i also qualified "enter" as "often enter") |
| 10:44.11 | SynrGy | i doubt if it's an ironclad rule. i think they still attempt to backport fixes where appropriate. |
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| 10:58.07 | Tool_Fan | Good day Guys. Im trying to remove ocfs2 settings I inserted via debconf-set-selections. |
| 10:58.31 | Tool_Fan | I remove the package etc but the settings is still there. |
| 10:59.13 | Tool_Fan | Would anyone know how I can remove all entries of ocfs2 from debconf |
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| 11:00.02 | SynrGy | remove, or purge? |
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| 11:00.13 | Tool_Fan | Thanks for replying |
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| 11:00.17 | Tool_Fan | I tried both |
| 11:01.21 | Tool_Fan | Even tried apt-get remove --purge ocfs2-tools |
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| 11:02.19 | SynrGy | Tool_Fan: if they are settings the package actually owns, it should have removed them. see the debconf-set-selections man page: "Only use this command to seed debconf values for packages that will be or are installed. Otherwise you can end up with values in the database for uninstalled packages that will not go away, or with worse problems involving shared values. It is recommended that this only be used to seed the database if the originating ... |
| 11:02.25 | SynrGy | ... machine has an identical install." |
| 11:02.40 | SynrGy | does any of that resemble your situation? |
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| 11:04.16 | SynrGy | i.e. if you botched it and set some keys that aren't actually owned by the package, they could be left there forever. |
| 11:04.20 | equex | petn-randall: seems that there is something with the hub, yes. i can make all the devices fail one and one, on all ports |
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| 11:05.33 | SynrGy | 0... |
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| 11:05.58 | SynrGy | kitten! sigh |
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| 11:06.34 | equex | not sure if its from the usb drivers or the app i am using, but sometimes i get a message about 'Comms error: werr=1' in the log |
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| 11:07.18 | petn-randall | equex: Does it come with its own power supply? If not, the maximum power all devices combined are allowed to drain is 500 mA (USB 2.0 port), which is very little. |
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| 11:08.21 | equex | yes, the devices are all fine on windows |
| 11:09.47 | boon11 | There's a doubt I see sometimes approx 3-4 watt power consumption in ubuntu 14.04 using bumblebee project to switch off gpu in my laptop while it is impossible to achieve such low power consumption. .. |
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| 11:10.51 | boon11 | Any ideas ??I use opensuse too but it reaches minimum of 10 approx |
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| 11:11.46 | petn-randall | boon11: You're maybe in the wrong channel? Ubuntu is supported in #ubuntu. |
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| 11:12.29 | boon11 | M sorry but its a general linux quest |
| 11:12.42 | boon11 | About power management. .. |
| 11:12.42 | bazhang | try ##linux |
| 11:13.08 | boon11 | Ok bazhang |
| 11:14.11 | hanshenrik | meow |
| 11:14.27 | hanshenrik | security updates to squeeze will end sometime 2016? |
| 11:15.16 | themill | hanshenrik: well... they actually ended last month. Limited support for some packages for i386 and amd64 will be available for another couple of years. /msg dpkg squeeze-lts |
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| 11:15.26 | hanshenrik | motherfucker |
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| 11:23.24 | Tool_Fan | SynrGy: Flip that puts me in a predicament. Cause I need to install ocfs-tools. Then im suppose to dpkg-reconfigure ocfs2-tools. |
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| 11:23.34 | Tool_Fan | But im trying to automate this |
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| 11:32.42 | crypto_guy | hi, if i make a little tool and i like to add it at debian repos, what i need and what what the software must have? |
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| 11:33.42 | petn-randall | crypto_guy: There's #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, they can help you getting started, and will help you with any follow-up questions you have. |
| 11:33.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell crypto_guy -about own repo |
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| 11:34.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell crypto_guy -about reprepro |
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| 11:34.58 | adffrt32 | hello. Is anyone able to tell me how to install gnome 3.12?! I am running sid, but I seem to have gnome 3.8.x |
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| 11:35.14 | babilen | crypto_guy: If you haven't packaged your software already read http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers (and the linked articles!) and work on that first. Packaging is supported in #debian-mentors on oftc as petn-randall rightfully pointed out. |
| 11:35.22 | crypto_guy | babilen, talking about "what is the quality standards" |
| 11:35.36 | babilen | crypto_guy: That's covered in the Debian policy |
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| 11:36.01 | crypto_guy | babilen, ok |
| 11:36.35 | babilen | adffrt32: It is mostly in sid already: https://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.12-status.html -- Please also note that sid and testing are supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:36.56 | adffrt32 | babilen: I don't get how to install or update to it, though.. |
| 11:37.41 | babilen | adffrt32: Which part of gnome are you referring to exactly? |
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| 11:38.32 | adffrt32 | well babilen I was just looking at this; http://corenominal.org/blog/living-with-sid-and-gnome-part-2 |
| 11:38.38 | adffrt32 | and wanted to give it a try.. |
| 11:39.19 | babilen | adffrt32: That is by no means an official Debian document |
| 11:39.36 | adffrt32 | ofc, but it clearly outlines that it's possible? |
| 11:39.58 | adffrt32 | I used the same method as that article, but he doesn't say where to get 3.12 |
| 11:39.59 | babilen | adffrt32: What exactly do you want to be possible? |
| 11:40.09 | adffrt32 | just gnome 3.12 |
| 11:41.10 | rgr | why? |
| 11:41.11 | babilen | adffrt32: You have to realise that there is no single entity "Gnome", but that "Gnome" typically denotes a collection of different packages. (cf. <install gnome> -- /msg dpkg install gnome) -- It is therefore unclear what you mean by "get gnome 3.12" |
| 11:41.55 | rgr | what does Sid install by default? And yes there is a "gnome version". |
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| 11:42.03 | babilen | adffrt32: You can see in the link I pasted earlier that a huge number of packages which, in their entirety, constitute "Gnome" are at 3.12 already. |
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| 11:43.15 | adffrt32 | and I thought using some DE would be the easy option compared to tilers/cli ... lmao how wrong I was |
| 11:43.32 | rgr | My thoughts are also this : if you can not identify the soruces or packages you need for what seems an arbitrary version of Gnome, then using Sid in the first place is likely to be problematic. I used to use it but stopped : despite great efforts updates hosed my system that little too often. I use Jessie (testing) and have only had a black screen on reboot once. |
| 11:43.42 | rgr | adffrt32: it is easier. |
| 11:44.05 | rgr | A lot less to learn. Its just that you are using unstable and havent properly synced the packages. Why not use testing? |
| 11:44.15 | adffrt32 | adffrt32: not in the slightest in this case |
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| 11:44.30 | adffrt32 | rgr: I was under the impression that unstable/sid had the latest packages |
| 11:44.38 | rgr | its called unstable for a reason. |
| 11:44.42 | rgr | its varies a LOT. |
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| 11:45.07 | rgr | you need to determine if you can handle that. Theres no shame in not if you have "real work" to do. |
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| 11:46.12 | adffrt32 | I have ran unstable on several systems for a matter of months now, without any issues at all |
| 11:46.17 | rgr | but I like and use gnome with xmonad. Words very well. I used to be "hardcore" and just use tmux & xterm etc with terminal emacs. Was all very hardcore but ultimately fruitless on modern HW with hi res screens. I can still do all that but in a switchable xterm using tmux on my gui desktop..... |
| 11:46.26 | rgr | adffrt32: well, you have them now. |
| 11:46.35 | adffrt32 | until gnome, lol.. |
| 11:46.37 | babilen | adffrt32: It *does* have the latest packages -- I would recommend to read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable and http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html |
| 11:46.47 | babilen | adffrt32: "until gnome" ? |
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| 11:47.06 | adffrt32 | Maybe I will just spin up some 3.12 distro and have a play around, to test the water and see if it's worth this hassle |
| 11:47.08 | rgr | What exactly is wrong with your gnome? What have you done or installed manually? |
| 11:47.17 | rgr | 3.12 distro? Huh? |
| 11:47.26 | babilen | adffrt32: Are you referring to gnome-shell or *which part* ? |
| 11:47.33 | rgr | ^^ like that |
| 11:47.43 | adffrt32 | gnome-shell, I guess :E |
| 11:47.50 | babilen | adffrt32: I explained multiple times already that "gnome" is not a single entity, but a collection of packages. |
| 11:47.55 | rgr | ah so you donbt have a clue what you're using and blaming gnome. I see! Good luck! |
| 11:48.02 | adffrt32 | I understand that... |
| 11:48.08 | adffrt32 | rgr: very astute of you |
| 11:48.18 | adffrt32 | All I wanted was to replicate what was used in that article, to try it out |
| 11:48.22 | rgr | just install gnome-desktop and be done. |
| 11:48.27 | babilen | adffrt32: Yes, 3.12 has been uploaded to experimental as it is not yet deemed usable enough for an upload to unstable (or some other reason) |
| 11:48.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell adffrt32 -about install gnome |
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| 11:48.47 | adffrt32 | there is no need to be rude like that rgr |
| 11:48.56 | adffrt32 | is something troubling you |
| 11:49.12 | babilen | Please be nice :) |
| 11:49.26 | adffrt32 | I am :( I don't intend to be rude! |
| 11:49.29 | babilen | judd: v gnome-shell |
| 11:49.30 | judd | Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7+deb7u1; jessie: 3.8.4-8+b1; sid: 3.8.4-8.1; experimental: 3.12.2-1 |
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| 11:49.44 | babilen | adffrt32: Yes, I did not mean to imply that you made a rude remark. |
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| 11:49.54 | adffrt32 | if my lack of knowledge comes across as me being rude, then I apologise |
| 11:49.59 | babilen | It doesn't. |
| 11:50.04 | adffrt32 | babilen: you have been nothing but civil, factual and helpful toward me |
| 11:50.12 | adffrt32 | so for that, thank you :) |
| 11:50.43 | babilen | adffrt32: You are welcome. Is there anything else that you might need help with? |
| 11:51.13 | adffrt32 | not currently babilen, I am going to look more into the situation :) |
| 11:51.17 | adffrt32 | thanks though!! |
| 11:51.27 | adffrt32 | I will most likely go back to running sid + a tiler |
| 11:51.32 | adffrt32 | my common ground |
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| 11:53.05 | babilen | adffrt32: Please read the wiki article I linked earlier as it contains a number of valuable tips for users thinking about tracking unstable or testing. Please also consider the possibility of tracking testing and to pull selected packages from sid. (cf. "/msg dpkg tum") |
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| 11:53.27 | babilen | adffrt32: And again: Please seek unstable/testing specific support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 12:08.10 | Cylta | hello. I want to make a backup of debian sources of debian packages, to be able to use it as "local repository". How this thing called, and where I can download such library? |
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| 12:14.40 | Walex2 | Cylta: *all* debian source packages? |
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| 12:16.00 | Cylta | Walex2: I think I dont need all of them. 10-50gb of most popular packages as sources would be enough, I think. |
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| 12:17.56 | Bobby_Tables | hi, when installing postgres (9.1) some stuff from tutorials arent like 8.x versions. so i dont know where to put the pg_hba.conf now. its my first time with postgres. asking here becues: debian |
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| 12:20.06 | petern_ | Uh, /etc/postgresql/8.4/main/pg_hba.conf -> /etc/postgresql/9.1/main/pg_hba.conf isn't exactly a huge difference. |
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| 12:28.44 | zophy | is there a way i can block those facebook "like" and those twitter "tweet" buttons from showing up on websites that i visit ? |
| 12:29.07 | zophy | i don't like facebook, seriously |
| 12:29.21 | rozie | zophy: yes. use adblock or similar tool. ghostery is also good for this |
| 12:30.10 | shingouz | zophy: firefox has some facebook/twatter blockers as extensions, check them out too while you're at it |
| 12:30.33 | Cylta | zophy: use noscript |
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| 12:30.57 | Walex2 | Cylta: could setup a mirror repository. |
| 12:31.07 | zophy | yes, i use adblock for some things, i'll see if it will do this for me |
| 12:31.19 | Cylta | Walex2: yeah, but where to download from? |
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| 12:32.25 | petn-randall | Bobby_Tables: See what petern_ said. Are you still stuck somewhere? |
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| 12:33.29 | jelly | zophy: also, Ghostery |
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| 12:34.14 | shingouz | !tell cylta about apt-mirror |
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| 12:36.00 | Cylta | shingouz: will I able to write data on a removable data source, and use it on any computer? |
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| 12:41.13 | Walex2 | Cylta: any of dozens of mirror sites that have source package repositories... |
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| 12:43.31 | Walex2 | Cylta: check 'apt-cdrom' |
| 12:44.16 | Cylta | thanks, will check |
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| 12:55.28 | Anarch | The 7.5 livecd gives an unreadable font using the framebuffer. I'm still trying to turn the framebuffer off at boot time, but is there any way to turn it off AFTER BOOTING? That is, after I've booted into the console with a barely-readable or unreadable (too small) font, is there some command that'll tell the system to give me the default 25x80 font instead? |
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| 12:56.22 | TJ- | Anarch: check whether "setfont" could help |
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| 12:57.11 | Anarch | TJ-: No manual entry for setfont |
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| 12:57.46 | Anarch | TJ-: That's either on the livecd or on my Ubuntu workstation. Can you suggest a setfont invocation that might work? |
| 12:58.02 | Anarch | TJ-: Oh ... setfont: Command not found. |
| 12:59.24 | TJ- | Anarch: It should be in the 'kbd' package |
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| 13:00.34 | Anarch | TJ-: I will investigate whether I can install that to the livecd. |
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| 13:01.53 | Anarch | How can I boot the Debian 7.5 livecd without framebuffer? I tried what http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s03.html.en said, putting "vga=normal fb=false" onto the command line (which I edited with <Tab>), but that had no effect. |
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| 13:02.09 | Brigo | Anarch, http://kb.digium.com/articles/FAQ/How-to-disable-the-Linux-frame-buffer-if-it-s-causing-problems?retURL=%2Fapex%2Fknowledgehome&popup=false |
| 13:02.39 | Anarch | Brigo: Thanks, I'll read that now. |
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| 13:10.04 | Anarch | I've successfully installed the kbd package onto a running Debian 7.5 livecd, but can't read the man page because the font is unreadable. Can anybody suggest a complete setfont command that would give me a much bigger font? Now, the system seems to believe I have 64 rows & 180 columns, but squeezing into that size makes glyphs indistinguishable. Something like 40x80, 60x80, or 25x80 would probably be readable. Remember, I need the *complete* command. |
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| 13:10.37 | Walex2 | Anarch: wait a bit... |
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| 13:18.40 | Utils | How does one find out how a file was created, when and by whom? |
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| 13:20.48 | Utils | or maybe a file change log |
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| 13:21.45 | jelly | Utils: in general, unix filesystems do not keep track of creation time. |
| 13:21.50 | jelly | !tell Utils about permissions |
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| 13:22.49 | jelly | Utils: there are two possibly useful timestamps, ctime and mtime |
| 13:23.21 | Utils | It's just that a file that once worked, now doesn't under the same mysql version. Problem is, is that I don't remember putting anything in /etc/mysql/my.cnf and most certainly dont' remember ever downgrading/updating mysql... lead me to believe that perhaps the file was modified by an unknown source (definitely not me, and it's owned by root). |
| 13:23.22 | jelly | Utils: use stat command to see them all, or ls with appropriate options |
| 13:23.44 | jelly | Utils: check your backups, if you have them. |
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| 13:38.25 | TomyWork | i'm using dpkg-deb to make a simply file-only package. now when i build it on ubuntu 14.04, it's about 3/4 the size it used to be (on 13.04 or debian squeeze, i dont remember). I assume new compression methods were added. Are these backward-compatible to squeeze? |
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| 13:39.37 | lamrz | does it affect the content quality of a dd image to cut-paste it between drives? |
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| 13:40.21 | TomyWork | by cut-paste you mean in something like dolphin or nautilus? |
| 13:40.33 | mjt | heh. Now that's a question :) |
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| 13:40.39 | themill | TomyWork: xz support was added in dpkg 1.15.6 |
| 13:40.40 | TomyWork | and by dd image you mean dd if=/dev/something of=dd_image? |
| 13:41.04 | lamrz | hello everyone, does it affect the content quality of a dd image to cut-paste it between drives? |
| 13:41.13 | TomyWork | lamrz hello, i just replied to you |
| 13:41.26 | mjt | troll alert? |
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| 13:42.07 | TomyWork | lamrz if you answer both questions with yes, then the answer is: it's just a file, like any other. unless one of your drives is faulty, there shouldnt be an issue |
| 13:42.21 | lamrz | TomyWork, sorry, didnt see as it wasnt highlighted..yes, it is that kind of dd image. I'll cut it from a drive and paste it to another using nautilus |
| 13:42.22 | Pontus | lol |
| 13:43.00 | TomyWork | themill ok, i'll turn that off then :) |
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| 13:43.44 | lamrz | TomyWork, thanks! |
| 13:43.46 | mjt | "cut" it |
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| 13:44.39 | lamrz | mjt, as you now learned, it wasnt |
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| 13:45.54 | mjt | yeah. it just punched a few holes in the image :) |
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| 13:49.18 | lamrz | mjt, I presume debian might be too intelligent a system for you. |
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| 13:50.07 | abrotman | lamrz: Please don't antagonize people .. |
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| 13:51.35 | lamrz | abrotman, I never normally do in a decently communicative context. |
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| 14:12.22 | paul_grozav | Hello, Is it possible to have a network equipment for storage that allows all the LAN computers use that disk as if it was connected to their motherboard? |
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| 14:13.23 | shingouz | paul_grozav: yes it is. nfs, sshfs, samba at leas pop into my mind |
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| 14:15.24 | paul_grozav | I know about these but as far as I can see I can't use the remote file system as if the disk was connected to the motherboard. It's somehow limited by the sharing technology/protocol used |
| 14:15.48 | SirLagz | paul_grozav: iSCSI |
| 14:15.57 | SirLagz | paul_grozav: FibreChannel |
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| 14:16.14 | paul_grozav | For example setting MySQL's datadir to a remote filesystem over NFS doesn't work |
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| 14:17.02 | SirLagz | paul_grozav: a SAN is what you want. |
| 14:17.11 | SirLagz | connected by Fibre. |
| 14:17.52 | paul_grozav | what's the difference between SAN and NAS ? |
| 14:18.23 | cd | paul_grozav: SAN=block NAS=file |
| 14:18.44 | petn-randall | :) |
| 14:18.51 | paul_grozav | cd : hmmm, I see :D |
| 14:18.59 | paul_grozav | paul_grozav: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storage_area_network#SAN_compared_to_NAS |
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| 14:22.50 | paul_grozav | paul_grozav: One way to loosely conceptualize the difference between a NAS and a SAN is that NAS appears to the client OS (operating system) as a file server (the client can map network drives to shares on that server) whereas a disk available through a SAN still appears to the client OS as a disk, visible in disk and volume management utilities (along with client's local disks), and available to be formatted with a file system and mounted. |
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| 14:27.24 | cd | paul_grozav: looks like SAN is your best bet, iSCSI protocol is more economical, whereas FC is expensive. |
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| 14:28.04 | cd | paul_grozav: what is it that you're wanting to do, MySQL only? clustering? other services? |
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| 14:29.48 | paul_grozav | cd: mysql is my issue now, brb |
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| 14:36.38 | Badway | hi |
| 14:37.47 | Badway | I have a problem with Redmine it' there anyone who can help me? It's problem with Ruby.... |
| 14:38.05 | petn-randall | Badway: On which release is this? |
| 14:38.14 | Badway | 2.5 |
| 14:38.56 | petn-randall | Badway: and the Debian release? |
| 14:39.12 | Badway | wheezy |
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| 14:40.21 | aamus | hi all this is gonna be a stupid question and i am drawing a massive blank, but I just installed network-manager-gnome on my netinst debian and how do i run it now? lol |
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| 14:42.18 | nkuttler | aamus: you probably want nm-applet |
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| 14:43.01 | aamus | ive never had to use the GUI before but i am trying to connect to a pain in the ass wpa peap that i got frustrated with |
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| 14:43.10 | aamus | il try nm-applet |
| 14:43.23 | abrotman | aamus: are you running gnome? |
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| 14:43.40 | nkuttler | aamus: or nmcli i guess |
| 14:43.49 | aamus | i installed the gnome-network-manager |
| 14:43.50 | aamus | from debian repo |
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| 14:44.52 | msrd0 | aamus: you can list all executables of the package running "dpkg -L network-amager-gnome", which are in this case nm-applet and nm-connection-editor |
| 14:45.29 | msrd0 | dpkg -L network-manager-gnome | grep bin |
| 14:45.30 | dpkg | ii network-manager-gnome | grep bin 1.3-2 msrd0's private porn collection |
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| 14:45.41 | abrotman | aamus: But are you running Gnome? |
| 14:46.27 | aamus | i dont think i am running gnome |
| 14:46.34 | aamus | i just installed the network-manager-gnome |
| 14:46.43 | roe_ | how do I change the permissions files in a given folder are created with? |
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| 14:46.53 | aamus | but if i shell in -X can i launch it from that |
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| 14:47.24 | abrotman | aamus: so which GUI are you using? |
| 14:47.31 | abrotman | roe_: change your umask |
| 14:47.40 | msrd0 | aamus: i dont use gnome but i can run it to. just enter "nm-applet" |
| 14:48.07 | aamus | i get the gtk error cannot open display |
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| 14:48.17 | aamus | im sorry i never use GUI |
| 14:48.36 | msrd0 | aamus: but which desktop system are you running? gnome? kde? xfce? |
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| 14:49.15 | aamus | all i installed was the network-manager-gnome, i dont think that installs the gnome-desktop |
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| 14:49.34 | aamus | i just need the network manager to connect to this wireless network |
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| 14:50.17 | abrotman | aamus: Which GUI are you using? Can you describe it? |
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| 14:50.52 | msrd0 | aamus: you'll need a desktop for running this program (it starts minimized in the taskbar) |
| 14:52.13 | aamus | if i install xwindow system and shell in with the -X option, can i launch nm-applet that way? |
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| 14:52.20 | roe_ | abrotman, not sure umask will work for my purposes, setgid seems to be more like it |
| 14:53.01 | msrd0 | aamus: do you have a taskbar? |
| 14:53.03 | abrotman | Okay |
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| 14:53.09 | aamus | no |
| 14:53.12 | aamus | no taskbar |
| 14:53.16 | aamus | just using command line |
| 14:53.21 | msrd0 | aamus: then it wont work |
| 14:53.29 | aamus | so i need the full gnome desktop? |
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| 14:54.52 | aamus | or will gnome-core work |
| 14:55.17 | msrd0 | aamus: dont need to be gnome but you'll need a desktop (if you dont need the desktop for something else i wouldn't take gnome because it's very big) |
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| 14:56.04 | aamus | i basically just need it for an hour |
| 14:56.07 | abrotman | nm-cli works |
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| 14:56.42 | aamus | oh nm-cli command line tool for network manager |
| 14:56.45 | msrd0 | abrotman: the command is nmcli and not nm-cli |
| 14:56.50 | abrotman | close enough .. |
| 14:56.56 | abrotman | I don't use it |
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| 15:00.55 | Ktrnk` | anyone knows how exactly should I edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:01.09 | Ktrnk` | to make a permanent change for the wlan0 ? |
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| 15:03.22 | srged | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:04.38 | petn-randall | looks at srged and finds more than one reason to change that password. |
| 15:04.46 | srged | :)) |
| 15:04.48 | srged | true!11 |
| 15:05.25 | abrotman | wonders about a study coorelating password strength to personal attributes |
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| 15:07.49 | tugrik | wonders if srged is some kind of entrapment operation |
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| 15:08.38 | nkuttler | heh. what happened to flash in wheezy.. didn't bother when it stopped working on my sid box, but meh |
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| 15:10.28 | nkuttler | ah.. silly chromium |
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| 15:12.02 | abrotman | nkuttler: Yeah, I noticed that the other day |
| 15:12.20 | abrotman | but I was getting on a plane, and didn't get to look into it |
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| 15:13.15 | yann2 | hello! Would there be any downside to not using the debian release version for the codename in an apt repository - considering most of the packages we build are not specific to a particular version of debian? |
| 15:13.20 | abrotman | nkuttler: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=749934 |
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| 15:13.53 | nkuttler | abrotman: thanks |
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| 15:14.19 | jhutchins | DNS sanity check: If a host receives a response from a DNS server, but that server neither indexes the domain requested nor relays it to another server, the lookup will fail, correct? |
| 15:14.30 | nkuttler | ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:14.31 | judd | Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.2~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 1.3; sid/contrib: 1.3 |
| 15:14.40 | nkuttler | yeah.. doesn't show up in my backports.. |
| 15:14.53 | nkuttler | eh.. only main |
| 15:15.14 | abrotman | jhutchins: Seems reasonable, ask #dns if you're still not sure. |
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| 15:16.00 | nkuttler | bad bad upgrade path though.. should have gotten a warning. at least i don't admin anybody's desktops.. |
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| 15:17.51 | linuxuz3r | is it suggested to compile your own kernel in debian |
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| 15:17.59 | nkuttler | linuxuz3r: if you have to ask, no |
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| 15:18.12 | linuxuz3r | nkuttler why is that |
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| 15:18.56 | nkuttler | linuxuz3r: nowadays there's really no reason to build a kernel, unless you find one |
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| 15:19.20 | linuxuz3r | i need drivers for my gfx card |
| 15:19.35 | linuxuz3r | right now nouveau is not supporting my video card |
| 15:19.44 | nkuttler | linuxuz3r: which driver do you want to use? |
| 15:19.53 | mtn | linuxuz3r: newer kernels are available in backports |
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| 15:20.28 | linuxuz3r | i have a gtx 660 gfx card |
| 15:20.47 | linuxuz3r | i installed the dkms kernel module but x wont boot up |
| 15:20.51 | nkuttler | linuxuz3r: no, do you want the proprietary or a more recent nouveau? |
| 15:21.09 | nkuttler | !tell linuxuz3r about nvidia dkms |
| 15:21.10 | linuxuz3r | i just want gnome shell to work |
| 15:21.28 | abrotman | isn't that card too new for the nvidia driveres in wheezy? |
| 15:21.41 | linuxuz3r | yes |
| 15:21.51 | nkuttler | ah |
| 15:21.55 | linuxuz3r | what is the latest stable debian release |
| 15:22.12 | abrotman | Wheezy, just like it was yesterday |
| 15:22.20 | abrotman | linuxuz3r: perhaps you should look at backports? |
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| 15:22.46 | abrotman | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 15:22.47 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.117-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+2; jessie/non-free: 331.67-2; sid/non-free: 331.79-1; experimental/non-free: 337.19-1 |
| 15:22.50 | abrotman | look at that! |
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| 15:23.32 | nkuttler | dunno, i have a gt 640 which is a kepler as well and works fine? |
| 15:23.43 | abrotman | still doesn't get that what that has to do with compiling your kernel |
| 15:23.43 | linuxuz3r | wheezy/non-free: 304.117-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+2; |
| 15:23.55 | abrotman | we can read .. |
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| 15:24.07 | linuxuz3r | well i can install nvidia drivers directly |
| 15:24.16 | abrotman | linuxuz3r: use wheezy-backports |
| 15:24.32 | linuxuz3r | what does backport mean? |
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| 15:25.40 | abrotman | dpkg: tell linuxuz3r about wheezy backports |
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| 15:28.36 | linuxuz3r | ok thanks guys |
| 15:28.45 | linuxuz3r | i dont mind the gnome classic |
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| 15:29.40 | guest1597 | hi all, I'm stuck not able to access internet on linux, can anybody help ? |
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| 15:31.18 | linuxuz3r | ill just play with linux network tools |
| 15:31.23 | linuxuz3r | there so many free |
| 15:31.27 | linuxuz3r | and its so cool |
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| 15:37.13 | linuxuz3r | guest1597, what seems to be the problem |
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| 15:38.00 | guest1597 | linuxuz3r: My router had got hacked so instead of doing it at 192.168.1.1/192.168.1.2 I changed it to some other address, now unable to access internet in linux, on windows working fine. |
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| 15:38.38 | linuxuz3r | are you on dhcp or pppoe? |
| 15:39.05 | guest1597 | linuxuz3r: ppoe |
| 15:39.07 | linuxuz3r | changing your router address doesnt help |
| 15:39.10 | linuxuz3r | ok |
| 15:39.10 | guest1597 | sorry pppoe |
| 15:39.46 | linuxuz3r | what is your router? do you have firewall? |
| 15:40.26 | guest1597 | it's a d-link dsl-2750u. No firewall on the router yet, have one on the linux system though. |
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| 15:41.02 | linuxuz3r | can you change to dhcp? |
| 15:41.44 | linuxuz3r | im not a router guy but i had to trouble shoot my nic a few months back |
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| 15:42.14 | linuxuz3r | what address did you change it to |
| 15:42.47 | linuxuz3r | it should be on the range of 192.168.1.1-100 |
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| 15:49.51 | linuxuz3r | oh did he went away |
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| 15:57.53 | linuxuz3r | its amazing what html can do now adays |
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| 15:57.56 | linuxuz3r | hey guest |
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| 15:58.03 | linuxuz3r | do you still need help |
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| 15:58.57 | A|an | This is a dummy question: I'm trying to make a self-signed cert, following guidence at http://freenode.net/certfp/makecert.shtml...my nick has a piping symbol in it...doing "A|an".key/cert causes failure, and simply A|an.key/cert fails, too. How do you represent nicks with symbols? |
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| 16:00.16 | linuxuz3r | \| |
| 16:00.43 | linuxuz3r | that might help |
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| 16:02.27 | A|an | how do you mean? just place in front of the pipling symbol, like this: A\|an |
| 16:03.10 | A|an | There must be a method to doing this. Someone here or elsewhere has \\\ as their nick...and it's registered |
| 16:03.14 | jelly | A|an: what are you going to use the certificate for? |
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| 16:03.32 | jelly | oh, irc |
| 16:03.50 | A|an | I thought it would just be a good idea to have a self-signed certificate proving I'm me (to whatever extent) |
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| 16:07.06 | dondelelcaro | A|an: the name of the file that you save the certificate in isn't that important. |
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| 16:07.50 | A|an | I would think it would have to be my actual nick. No? |
| 16:07.51 | dondelelcaro | A|an: but in any event, using -out 'A|an.cert' and -keyout 'A|an.cert' should work |
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| 16:07.59 | linuxuz3r | sorry i thought cert are programming language semantics compatible |
| 16:08.01 | A|an | ah! single quotes |
| 16:08.09 | dondelelcaro | A|an: or double; it doesn't matter |
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| 16:08.47 | dondelelcaro | A|an: it doesn't have to be, because you send the fingerprint to nickserv |
| 16:08.54 | A|an | double doesn't work...it won't (note the guidence writeup) produce a fingerprint, meaning, I guess, it failed. |
| 16:09.05 | A|an | yes, true that |
| 16:09.12 | A|an | okay |
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| 16:09.48 | dondelelcaro | A|an: well, it's possible that there's a bug somewhere in the script. If you paste the command that you're actually running, I can tell you if it's right or not |
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| 16:10.05 | A|an | so, the cert could be for any username I dream up, but it's linked to my freenode nick? |
| 16:10.13 | dondelelcaro | A|an: yes |
| 16:10.21 | A|an | I'm sending them an email and asking |
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| 16:10.51 | A|an | I've encountered this situation before, though, in other contexts |
| 16:11.07 | A|an | an awkward symbol to be dealt with |
| 16:11.21 | dondelelcaro | A|an: it's not uncommon for people to write shell scripts which don't properly handle symbols in inputs |
| 16:11.26 | dondelelcaro | A|an: it's the same problem with spaces |
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| 16:11.50 | A|an | I thought the universal solution was always double/single quotes |
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| 16:13.11 | sdes | Recently I had trouble with X braking and now by deleting some drivers (or maybe deleting some file on my desktop, I can't be sure) X works again but instead of going onto the GUI login screen and then openbox it goes on tty and I have to start GNOME with startx. I can't run openbox and I don't know why. Do you guys know what should I do? |
| 16:13.23 | revolve | When apache or postgres run as a different user are the programs calling setuid on themselves? |
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| 16:17.08 | sdes | I tried reinstalling openbox but it didn't work |
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| 16:22.29 | linuxuz3r | sdes may be you uninstalled the login screen manager |
| 16:22.43 | linuxuz3r | debian uses gdm3 as default in wheezy |
| 16:22.53 | linuxuz3r | try installing gdm3 |
| 16:23.09 | linuxuz3r | apt-get -f install gdm3 |
| 16:23.26 | linuxuz3r | other than that i dont know what files you deleted |
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| 16:24.10 | linuxuz3r | does openbox have a login session |
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| 16:26.55 | shibly | Hi, how can i stop setxkbmap? |
| 16:27.21 | shibly | I tried ALT+SHIFT+NUMLOCK, it is not working |
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| 16:30.46 | shibly | can anyone answer? |
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| 16:37.09 | sdes | no |
| 16:37.15 | sdes | it does not have that |
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| 16:38.02 | albru123 | Hi, how to get MTP working for Android phone? I tried mtpfs but when I'm trying to copy file, it says "Can't change owner, function not implemented" |
| 16:38.06 | mtn | sdes: just install the display manager of your choice |
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| 16:38.25 | sdes | Okay so I have installed gdm3 |
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| 16:38.49 | sdes | But openbox won't work from terminal so I doubt it will work from gdm3 |
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| 16:40.07 | mtn | sdes: one problem at a time. make sure gdm works ok and then ask your next question here |
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| 16:41.25 | sdes | OK I will restart and tell you guys how it went. |
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| 16:41.29 | sdes | Thanks and bye |
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| 16:43.49 | lurtz_ | when will irssi 0.8.16 be avaible for debian? as .deb i mean |
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| 16:46.15 | toli | any hints on how to take working debian image and boot it with syslinux via pxe? I have working server, but not sure what technique to use to take the image |
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| 16:48.48 | toli | as for pxe syslinux I will need the initrd and vmlinuz. so can I just do dd ROOT and use that file? |
| 16:49.14 | toli | so I can copy the initrd and the vmlinuz to the tftp |
| 16:49.27 | toli | is it the way how it works? |
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| 16:50.13 | tugrik | toli: look that up online, pxe booting is non-trivial in my experience |
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| 16:50.35 | tugrik | unfortunately I'm on a call, otherwise I'd be looking it up for you now |
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| 16:51.41 | shingouz | !tell toli about pxe |
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| 16:52.12 | shingouz | toli: see what dpkg tells you. you can msg the bot for more information |
| 16:52.46 | toli | shingouz, it is not about pxe here, its about how to make image from working machine and then use it with pxe. The pxe is not a problem here. |
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| 16:54.15 | shingouz | toli: you might find some more information from the links dpkg showed you. |
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| 16:55.15 | toli | it tells about pxe and pxelinux etc... I think I will have to make live-cd from my working workstation |
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| 17:05.20 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 17:05.41 | wfq | where should I place my firewall.sh file please? |
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| 17:06.15 | wfq | I will run it from the /etc/rc.local |
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| 17:15.09 | jmcnaught | wfq: /usr/local/bin is usually where i put local scripts |
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| 17:22.32 | Aeriff | anyone got experience with preseeding/PXE? having trouble getting network-console to start. |
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| 17:25.04 | voidvoid | hello |
| 17:25.39 | voidvoid | Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. |
| 17:25.43 | voidvoid | someone knows how to fix it ? |
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| 17:28.18 | Artemis3 | voidvoid, you could resize with parted |
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| 17:39.13 | daniellefebvre | hey all |
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| 17:40.27 | _|x|_ | seems im missing a header or two from llvm, is it seperated into different packages that i missed? |
| 17:40.37 | daniellefebvre | I just installed the pecl and which required an apt update... since restarting my server I get a 403 anyone have any help to offer? |
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| 17:40.58 | Lope | I'm running this on a VM: "nc -l > /dev/null" and I'm running this on the host: "dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=1 | nc 192.168.122.85 20000". but the command on the host finishes instantly without any response or anything at all. |
| 17:41.07 | daniellefebvre | opps peck and uploadprogress |
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| 17:50.53 | roe_ | does debian support upgrading from release n to release n+2? |
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| 17:51.34 | LtL | roe_: no |
| 17:51.53 | pasties | I'm seeing weird openssl certificate validation issues on debian based OS's, specifically with GoDaddy certificates. When I manuall provide the root cert with -CAfile to openssl it validates fine, but I can't seem to get it into the systems certificate store. Anyone got any ideas? |
| 17:52.25 | LtL | roe_: if you are referring to point releases then yes, as for versions no |
| 17:52.43 | roe_ | LtL, squeeze -> jessie |
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| 17:53.23 | LtL | roe_: no, you need to do wheezy first |
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| 18:10.53 | Lope | It's sorted now. the command was -lvp not just -l. |
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| 18:12.10 | daniellefebvre | I'm getting a 403 since running apt-get update installing pecl and upload progress... I have added Require all granted to the<directory> sections of my ghosts and checked the owner and file permissions for the site... and I am still getting a 403... does anyone have any other ideas? |
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| 18:22.21 | linuxuz3r | lol |
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| 18:25.33 | ttyS1 | ls |
| 18:25.40 | ttyS1 | hello |
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| 18:26.54 | Lope | how can I check the ethernet link speed and duplex? |
| 18:27.31 | ttyS1 | is there an alternative to Cron? I need to schedule jobs that run only when the previous cron job successfully completes. |
| 18:27.32 | flux242 | Lope: it's 100Mbit or 1Gbit |
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| 18:27.57 | flux242 | Lope: both duplex |
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| 18:29.51 | flux242 | ttyS1: you can do that with cron too |
| 18:30.20 | ttyS1 | flux242: how can I do that |
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| 18:31.25 | Lope | I tried to check the speed and duplex of my ethernet link using dmesg | grep eth0. but it didn't include that info. Most quides online suggest ethtool. I'd like to avoid installing something. |
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| 18:32.08 | flux242 | ttyS1: well you could use some sort of a flag for dependent jobs. A file or something |
| 18:32.43 | hiyo | I want to be able to have a fully automated install disk with my custom settings defined, but I don't know how to use the preseed file |
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| 18:33.46 | Rackmount | good lord, IGN's post show is BORING |
| 18:34.21 | Rackmount | sww |
| 18:34.32 | flux242 | Lope: you just need to know either you have 1gig or 100Mbit link? |
| 18:34.51 | Lope | pretty much and duplex |
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| 18:37.26 | flux242 | Lope: hm, ethtool is good one actually. You also need it for power saving. It is used to disable wake on lan to save power. Apart from that I do not know |
| 18:37.49 | Lope | okay, thanks :) |
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| 18:38.28 | Lope | well I did a speed test. I see that I copied /dev/zero from one PC to another at 117MB/s so that would indicate gigabit LAN at least. |
| 18:38.49 | flux242 | yeah, that'll do |
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| 18:40.14 | flux242 | Lope: but maybe it is also stated in dmesg? I cannot test atm, I do not have ethernet in my notebook |
| 18:40.52 | Lope | it doesn't have it in my dmesg. but according to some guide on the internet, it should. |
| 18:41.01 | flux242 | ok |
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| 19:03.30 | nowthatsamatt | If one apt repository fails how can I make it use a secondary choice? Like when http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ fails, I would like to use http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/. |
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| 19:05.14 | c0mpub0mb | has debian released for squeeze an update to the openssl vulnerability? |
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| 19:06.55 | winny__ | hi, how do I show the Recommended dependencies for a package? |
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| 19:08.05 | LtL | c0mpub0mb: yes they have, i think i may be in the squeeze-lts repositories, one sec |
| 19:08.17 | LtL | dpkg: teraflops c0mpub0mb about squeeze-lts |
| 19:08.18 | dpkg | LtL: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 19:08.32 | LtL | dpkg:tell c0mpub0mb about squeeze-lts |
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| 19:08.34 | joltcan | winny__: aptitude show <package>? |
| 19:08.47 | LtL | c0mpub0mb: read the msg from the bot |
| 19:10.07 | teraflops | LtL: ? |
| 19:10.19 | LtL | teraflops: typo dude sorry :) |
| 19:10.31 | teraflops | ah np ;) |
| 19:10.34 | winny__ | joltcan: that doesn't appear to show recommends on my stable install: https://twitter.com/___winston/status/476440144564613120 |
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| 19:10.51 | flux242 | winny__: apt-cache show package-name |
| 19:10.56 | winny__ | T_T |
| 19:10.58 | winny__ | look at the picture please |
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| 19:11.56 | winny__ | i'm quite perplexed because I recall on an older debian installation apt-cache show did indeed show the recommends |
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| 19:14.30 | flux242 | winny__: it does show them. Maybe there are no recommends for your package |
| 19:14.31 | winny__ | Looking at the output of `apt-cache show gnome`, i see it does indeed show reocmmends and suggests |
| 19:14.47 | winny__ | flux242: however if i install with --no-install-recommends it only installs a handful of new packages |
| 19:15.20 | winny__ | only the following: libblas3 libblas3gf libgfortran3 liblinear1 liblua5.1-0 libpcap0.8 nmap |
| 19:15.26 | flux242 | apt-get shows what it's goin to install |
| 19:15.43 | hiyo | can someone tell me how to use preseed for a beginner? |
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| 19:15.59 | winny__ | is there a tool that will show a comprehensive dependency graph |
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| 19:16.31 | cybrNaut | hiyo: lotta pitfalls with preseed. I gave up on it myself |
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| 19:16.36 | winny__ | apt-get install --dry-run just shows everything, but not relationships |
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| 19:17.18 | bluj | any help adding a printer? new wheezy install, i go to add a network printer and i hit ok on one of them... it flashes something really quickly so i can't see and then it ends up not being in my list of printers... |
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| 19:20.13 | ted20 | Hello, I've a problem with wvdial (with ppd), look at my log http://pastebin.com/vrGhZ6SG |
| 19:20.24 | Lope | is there a decent little benchmark program that can read all the files in a dir and copy them to dev null or something and tell me the overall speed? |
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| 19:22.41 | shingouz | Lope: time cp /foo/bar/* /dev/null does the trick |
| 19:22.41 | hiyo | cybrNaut: is there anything you suggest as an alternative? |
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| 19:28.15 | jhutchins | hiyo: What's your project? How many servers are you building? |
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| 19:29.19 | hiyo | jhutchins: actually none at the moment, but I was thinking of starting a small side job deploying linux servers for small businesses |
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| 19:34.52 | winny__ | flux242, joltcan: I figured it out... nmap depends on gnuplot indirectly as a recommend https://twitter.com/___winston/status/476447164214673408 |
| 19:35.00 | winny__ | which pulls in x11 stuff |
| 19:35.05 | winny__ | is that a bug? |
| 19:36.43 | lamrz | hello everyone, I'm checking total size of files on a partition, and then the free space, too, there is about 10GB difference. how can it be like this? |
| 19:37.08 | lamrz | this is after deletint the partition's own trash folder |
| 19:37.11 | lamrz | deleting* |
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| 19:38.15 | winny__ | lamrz: maybe your tool (df, or whatever) doesn't include reserved space as free space |
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| 19:38.33 | winny__ | by default 5% of disk space is reserved for root |
| 19:38.51 | nkuttler | 5% is kinda excessive on modern hds though |
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| 19:39.05 | winny__ | 5% can really add up |
| 19:39.18 | winny__ | this might shed some light https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/7950/reserved-space-for-root-on-a-filesystem-why |
| 19:40.14 | winny__ | sounds like a 200 GiB volume |
| 19:40.44 | winny__ | also journals take up a small amount of space |
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| 19:40.59 | lamrz | winny__ , I checked via nautilus. the partition's total disk space is shown already 2,9GB less there. probably this must be the reserved space, if I'm not mistaken. aside from this, there is 9-10GB difference. |
| 19:41.22 | lamrz | in total, 12-13GB less, that is. |
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| 19:44.59 | lamrz | winny__, sorry, saw your later comments after posting..if it is 5% (insane!)...then it's normal, as it's a 320GB drive |
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| 19:46.40 | lamrz | indeed, the total "reserved" space in all partitions almost exactly add up to 5% |
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| 19:51.35 | Crackerz | While doing a jessie install on a Lenovo x240, it fails when writing the partition modifications to disk: "Error informing the kenral about modification to partition /dev/sda1 -- Device or resource busy." |
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| 19:54.22 | LtL | Crackerz: you might have better luck installing wheezy and dist-upgrading to testing (jessie) |
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| 19:55.16 | Jolidragon | hi people, anyone can tell me if " apt-get install libsecret-common " is broken ? (on debian unstable ) |
| 19:55.33 | Crackerz | LtL: Good advice, that will be my next approach. What are the appropriate avenues for reporting the failed install? |
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| 19:56.22 | Lope | shingouz: I get an error saying cp: target /dev/null is not a directory |
| 19:56.24 | LtL | Crackerz: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 20:01.13 | xormor | I needed graphics drivers and installed them. I also installed some drivers I do not need currently. so I disabled the functionality. so now the function is off. it is a specific hardware operation function. |
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| 20:02.08 | xormor | how do I stop the graphical desktop/user interface from slowing down and acting strangely? |
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| 20:03.34 | xormor | my stable debian needs some bug corrections, mostly the boot needs to stop slowing down: it happens occassionally. |
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| 20:04.55 | Walex2 | xormor: "slowing down" is not a terribly precise thing to say :-) |
| 20:05.00 | xormor | some strange behavior of X-Chat and the left-hand side menu happened once. |
| 20:05.01 | nkuttler | xormor: you are very vague. show us what your problem is, logfiles, configuration, packages you installed, yadda |
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| 20:05.45 | Walex2 | xormor: the two most common causes are: increasing memory usage leading to paging; or especially with 'intel' drivers increasing usage of GPU memory that does not get freed |
| 20:06.03 | xormor | Walex2, it almost crashes but does not crash. the boot takes longer than usual after giving the password. |
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| 20:06.36 | Walex2 | xormor: it is very unlikely that "boot" takes longer once the machine has been restarted |
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| 20:06.50 | xormor | Walex2, does the paging happen inside the RAM memory unit, not on the hard drive? I have amd64. |
| 20:06.55 | kalxas | hi all, how do I make inside a subfolder using rules file? |
| 20:07.04 | kalxas | I have {project}/{folder}/{src_folder} |
| 20:07.12 | kalxas | how do I tell dh to build within {src_folder}? |
| 20:07.15 | Walex2 | xormor: the only common case of slow boot is DNS being slow in some cases |
| 20:07.41 | Walex2 | xormor: paging happens to the disk... The disk light becomes rather more active. |
| 20:08.08 | xormor | Walex2, you mean cold boot? |
| 20:08.30 | xormor | Walex2, is there a soft boot on Debian 7.5 stable? |
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| 20:08.45 | xormor | Walex2, I mean, do you mean during the soft boot? |
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| 20:09.55 | xormor | Walex2, can I force the system to page inside RAM? I have a lot of memory and 64 bits. the memory addresses are reported as 48 bits long according to the g++/c++ compiler, when I write a c++ program. |
| 20:10.38 | xormor | Walex2, how large is the memory model? on IBM compatibles it was 32 bits with 64k segments. |
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| 20:10.53 | xormor | Walex2, that is: 1 Megabyte. |
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| 20:11.23 | xormor | Walex2, my Debian stable 7.5 is the amd64 version. |
| 20:11.34 | ted20 | fuckin shit |
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| 20:20.49 | SmashingX | I just installed the newest linux kernel, now it says this: Point the boot loader at the new kernel so it can be started. |
| 20:21.00 | SmashingX | I'm stuck with this one, could someone help me please? |
| 20:21.46 | nkuttler | SmashingX: that doesn't sound right. does your box still boot, e.g. an older kernel? |
| 20:21.52 | mtn | SmashingX: is this not a debian kernel? |
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| 20:22.34 | SmashingX | nkuttler: look here http://www.wikihow.com/Compile-the-Linux-Kernel |
| 20:22.41 | SmashingX | step 15 |
| 20:23.06 | SmashingX | I haven't rebooted it yet. I'm just following this tutorial |
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| 20:25.21 | BenNZ | SmashingX: sudo update-grub should work or create a custom menu entry in /etc/grub.d/40_custom |
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| 20:27.30 | jmcnaught | SmashingX: more Debian specific instructions are here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en . Also if this is for Wheezy, you probably would have been better off getting a new kernel from http://backports.debian.org |
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| 20:28.14 | jmcnaught | SmashingX: keep in mind that Debian adds a lot of patches for security fixes and backported drivers to the kernel.. why did you need to compile a new one? |
| 20:29.03 | SmashingX | because I wanted to try the newest kernel? |
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| 20:29.12 | SmashingX | 3.15 |
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| 20:29.54 | ted20 | Fuck why? Why here nothing doesn't work?! |
| 20:30.11 | jmcnaught | ted20: please don't swear |
| 20:30.27 | ted20 | jmcnaught: I'm MEGA pissed off |
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| 20:31.09 | maikls | how its possible, to have access denied on any comand when working from root? |
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| 20:31.37 | ted20 | maikls: Maybe debian doesn't support your hardware |
| 20:31.49 | maikls | ted20: its openvpn installation :/ |
| 20:31.50 | maikls | root@cool:/etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/2.0# ./vars |
| 20:31.51 | maikls | -bash: ./vars: Permission denied |
| 20:31.54 | jmcnaught | SmashingX: well 3.14 (with debian patches) is in backports if that's new enough for you. if you run into problems with a custom kernel compiled this way you might have trouble getting help here |
| 20:32.04 | jaakkos | maikls: . ./vars |
| 20:32.10 | jhutchins | maikls: The file could be locked by another process, or could be corrupt. |
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| 20:32.40 | maikls | jakkos thanks, it worked |
| 20:32.46 | maikls | what do dot before ./vars means ? |
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| 20:33.02 | TJ- | maikls: "source <file>" |
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| 20:33.27 | maikls | ahh |
| 20:33.29 | maikls | I guess |
| 20:33.29 | jaakkos | maikls: fyi you get permission denied if the file does not have +x |
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| 20:33.51 | maikls | thanks for info alot |
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| 20:45.40 | WilliamD` | I installed the haskell-platform on an armhf machine (radxa). that ghc seems gimped - "not built for interactive use" when I try to get the REPL. cabal can't install some packages (using Template Haskel) - suggesting "Perhaps you are using a stage-1 compiler?". is this a bug, known limitation to armhf support, something I'm doing wrong and is there a way to get ghc on arm properly? |
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| 20:46.23 | WilliamD` | this is w deb testing |
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| 20:46.38 | Lope | I've set my nfs rsize to 1MB. that's a lot more than most of the numbers I've seen thrown around online (eg: the default is 8KB). But for my workload it gives me the max throughput MB/s AND the minimum CPU usage on the client. (less packets to join together). Will I get into trouble for using such a big rsize? |
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| 20:51.13 | WilliamD` | nvm found some lead - on raspbian page there's a note that ghci doesn't work on arm, which is to be fixed w ghc 7.8 (which is out but not in deb or haskell platform yet). So, its a known limitation |
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| 21:48.13 | SmashingX | that's weird |
| 21:48.35 | jhutchins | SmashingX: root? |
| 21:48.43 | SmashingX | yes |
| 21:49.15 | jhutchins | SmashingX: mkinitramfs |
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| 21:50.32 | SmashingX | nothing |
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| 21:51.06 | jelly-home | SmashingX: jhutchins probably meant update-initramfs |
| 21:51.50 | SmashingX | mkinitramfs is there |
| 21:52.00 | SmashingX | but is it the same as mkinitrd? |
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| 21:59.29 | mecca | Is it safe to use tune2fs to disable dir_index on mounted filesystems? |
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| 22:03.05 | jelly-home | mecca: even if it is, it won't affect existing directories |
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| 22:04.19 | mecca | jelly-home: Thanks, that's what I thought. It does however alleviate an NFS issue that I have on some AIX clients |
| 22:05.06 | jelly-home | I remember it being safe to _add_ the feature online. No idea about removing. |
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| 22:05.42 | mecca | From what I understand about it, it's just an index to speed up lookups and such so I would think that it's safe to disable. |
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| 22:06.16 | mecca | I mean I _can_ remove it online and I can verify it fixes my NFS problems, I just have no idea what kind of data corruption I may see after doing some writes and rebooting :) |
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| 22:23.49 | Yarper123 | heeeeeeeelp |
| 22:23.55 | Yarper123 | sounds nuuby lol |
| 22:24.12 | Yarper123 | but how do i image to a stick |
| 22:24.18 | Yarper123 | Download refind-flashdrive-* from http://sourceforge.net/projects/refind/files/, image it to a stick. |
| 22:24.34 | Mousey | dd |
| 22:24.41 | Yarper123 | i thot so |
| 22:25.10 | Mousey | something to the tune of: dd if=/path/to/image.img of=/dev/your/stick |
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| 22:28.01 | cypherman | hi people |
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| 22:28.19 | cypherman | is there any good solutino for CCTV video surveillance on Debian? maybe in the repos? |
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| 22:28.29 | cypherman | solution* |
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| 22:28.51 | Yarper123 | like add the boot flag |
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| 22:29.03 | Yarper123 | and what type of partition? |
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| 22:58.23 | lolbonerXD | what is the difference between group and other users? |
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| 23:00.12 | ghormoon | you mean in unix permissions? well eg. I have a shared storage owned by group let's say "storage" and users who have access have it auxiliary, then if you access the share, eg with 770, it checks iswnar (nope), group (yes) and allows you ... but won't allow someone not in the group "storage" |
| 23:00.18 | Guest89189 | to be or not to be |
| 23:00.34 | lolbonerXD | yes permissions |
| 23:00.54 | lolbonerXD | let's say 123 for example |
| 23:01.01 | lolbonerXD | number 1 is for the owner |
| 23:01.05 | lolbonerXD | number 2 is for the group |
| 23:01.14 | lolbonerXD | number 3 is for the rest of the world? |
| 23:01.24 | ghormoon | yup |
| 23:01.43 | lolbonerXD | but what is the difference between group and rest of the world? |
| 23:02.52 | ghormoon | read that again, you can assign as many groups to a user as you want, so eg. like I do on my NAS, I have share owned by root:storage and then every user which is also in group storage can access it |
| 23:03.56 | ghormoon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modes_%28Unix%29 this may explain it clearer, I'm not good at explaining |
| 23:04.00 | lolbonerXD | what is a group? |
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| 23:05.00 | ghormoon | read up on unix then (not sure if troll or a newbie :D) |
| 23:05.13 | lolbonerXD | lol |
| 23:05.16 | lolbonerXD | i hate wasting time |
| 23:05.23 | lolbonerXD | i'm a neophyte |
| 23:05.46 | lolbonerXD | but it'd be great if google showed high quality content |
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| 23:05.54 | lolbonerXD | people can't explain stuff really well |
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| 23:06.15 | lolbonerXD | everything i've read states a lot of things that are implied |
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| 23:06.33 | ghormoon | dunno how to explain group ... you know what a word "group" mean, right? :) |
| 23:06.41 | lolbonerXD | yeah |
| 23:06.45 | DoverMo | a group is like a gang |
| 23:07.11 | lolbonerXD | but what does that have to do with file permissions |
| 23:07.13 | ghormoon | DoverMo: we totally should make a unix distro which would call it gang everywhere xD |
| 23:07.34 | DoverMo | ghormoon, gang linux |
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| 23:08.30 | ghormoon | lolbonerXD: you assign users to groups and then set permissions for the group instead of each member alone by ACL, so you basically say group X has access here and then say user A, B and C belong to group X |
| 23:08.39 | ghormoon | so if user B accesses it, it works, same for A and C |
| 23:08.41 | lolbonerXD | oh |
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| 23:08.43 | lolbonerXD | thanks |
| 23:08.45 | lolbonerXD | now i get it |
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| 23:09.02 | lolbonerXD | so a group works like a whitelist |
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| 23:09.27 | lolbonerXD | but the final number 3 (the rest of the world) |
| 23:09.52 | ghormoon | well, this is specific use of it, but yes, may work like that ... or a blacklist too, if I'm right, if you'll do 707 it will disallow the group but allow the rest, but I'd have t otry to be sure |
| 23:10.14 | ghormoon | (7 means full access, read, write, list dir/execute file) |
| 23:10.24 | lolbonerXD | how do you know which group you're blacklisting? |
| 23:10.46 | ghormoon | the file/folder is woned by a user and a group |
| 23:10.59 | ghormoon | usually each user has it's own group too |
| 23:11.10 | ghormoon | so you often have it owned by root:root, user:user, ... |
| 23:11.12 | lolbonerXD | so why can't 007 permissions work? |
| 23:11.22 | ghormoon | but you can set different group which usually works like the list |
| 23:11.27 | DoverMo | lolbonerXD, the 5th freedom |
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| 23:11.53 | lolbonerXD | wouldn't the final 7 have the say so because it contradicts directly with the first two 0s? |
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| 23:11.55 | ghormoon | I'll try that after lunch, that should disallow owner and allow everyone else xD |
| 23:12.41 | ghormoon | I think it goes for "first reasonable" so if you're owner, it gos for the first 0 and then itgnores rest, but I'm not sure of that, i'll try |
| 23:12.42 | lolbonerXD | i'm going to play around with this too |
| 23:12.47 | lolbonerXD | to get a better understanding |
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| 23:13.09 | lolbonerXD | how do i add a group? |
| 23:13.16 | ghormoon | that usually works better than reading on the net :) |
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| 23:14.23 | LtL | lolbonerXD: groupadd ? |
| 23:14.35 | lolbonerXD | groupadd + nameofgroup |
| 23:14.36 | lolbonerXD | ? |
| 23:14.55 | LtL | lolbonerXD: man groupadd |
| 23:15.01 | lolbonerXD | thanks :)_ |
| 23:15.07 | LtL | de nada |
| 23:15.08 | lolbonerXD | i completely forgot about the manpage command |
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| 23:15.32 | lolbonerXD | thank you guys |
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| 23:15.45 | lolbonerXD | be sure to try out the 007 permissions and tell me how it works! |
| 23:15.49 | lolbonerXD | be back later |
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| 23:16.06 | ghormoon | why don't you try yourself? :P |
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| 23:18.17 | ghormoon | it does work like that :) |
| 23:18.20 | poeticrpm | I have a strange problem. For some reason, everytime I reboot aptitude wont work. It tells me it cant write to the lockfile at /var/lock/aptitude. The only way I can fix it is to rm -rf /var/lock, mkdir /var/lock, touch /var/lock/aptitude, and then it works fine... until next reboot. Ive tried dpkg-reconfigure aptitude but no joy |
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| 23:33.12 | DoverMo | poeticrpm, what DE are you using? |
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| 23:34.12 | poeticrpm | DoverMo, not running one. I run openbox with xfce4-panel, thunar, etc |
| 23:35.06 | poeticrpm | DoverMo, but it doesnt matter- if I log into console and update from there, same deal. Even from a chroot on another linux install, same deal |
| 23:35.43 | DoverMo | poeticrpm, oh. you sure there are no weird packages use aptitude? |
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| 23:36.32 | poeticrpm | DoverMo, weird packages? Im not sure what you mean. Aside from pytyle2 and opensnap (both run from home), everything is installed through aptitude/apt |
| 23:36.46 | DoverMo | poeticrpm, i assume, there's a config directory you can delete, and try to reinstall it |
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| 23:37.18 | DoverMo | poeticrpm, like. packages that might use apt-get or aptitude at certain steps |
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| 23:38.09 | poeticrpm | DoverMo, it happens even when I update. Hmmm... so maybe mess around in /etc and see if the problem was there. I was thinking permissions in /var/lock, but you have a point |
| 23:38.34 | DoverMo | yeah |
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| 23:38.54 | poeticrpm | DoverMo, Oh no, nothing like that (except Synaptic, but this didnt start happening after using Synaptic). i mostly use apt from cli so |
| 23:39.02 | poeticrpm | ill give /etc a shot |
| 23:39.03 | DoverMo | poeticrpm, when was the last time you set your packages to manual also? |
| 23:39.22 | DoverMo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:40.32 | poeticrpm | DoverMo, manual? I dont believe I even know what that is. I mean I use aptitude mostly, apt-get only on upgrades if recommended. I have firefox pinned, but otherwise its usually aptitude update and then aptitude full-upgrade. Im on testing (jessie) currently rolling |
| 23:41.05 | poeticrpm | install works fine, and once I recreate /var/lock/aptitude, apt works perfect no matter synaptic, apt-get, aptitude, etc |
| 23:41.57 | poeticrpm | I think /etc has got to be where it is, because I didnt set any funky permissions and just those created by creating the directory/aptitude lock file should be fine. Thanks |
| 23:42.07 | DoverMo | poeticrpm, setting your packages to manually installed with aptitude, however that's probably not the problem |
| 23:43.01 | poeticrpm | DoverMo, yeah Ive never done that. Set as explicitly installed on a few, but ill have to read up on manual because in all my years with debian ive never done that |
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| 23:43.24 | babilen | poeticrpm: Mind pasting the output of "mount" to http://paste.debian.net ? (feel free to remove UUIDs and other personal content) |
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| 23:43.55 | poeticrpm | babilen, sure, but let me reboot so the problem exists again |
| 23:44.06 | poeticrpm | that way I can check things while you check it out |
| 23:44.07 | poeticrpm | brb |
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| 23:49.30 | poeticrpm_ | http://paste.debian.net/104372/ |
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| 23:56.20 | Megaf | Hi everyone, can anyone help me with moonlight? |
| 23:57.25 | Megaf | So far I tried to do this http://mono-project.com/Moonlight_Packages#Debian_Experimental |
| 23:57.51 | Megaf | But it can't locate the package |
| 23:57.52 | Megaf | E: Unable to locate package moonlight-plugin-mozilla |
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