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| 00:24.11 | robbyt | hello all, I’m working with `reprepro` to create a repo for some custom packages. I would like to add multiple versions of the same package- is this possible with reprepro? |
| 00:24.30 | robbyt | it seems to delete the previous version of the package when I add a new one |
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| 00:29.21 | themill | robbyt: repos normally only have one version of any package in them and reprepro enforces that. (and apt prefers that too) |
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| 00:31.16 | robbyt | themill: oh, that’s unfortunate. I would like to setup a repo similar to this http://apt.puppetlabs.com/dists/trusty/main/binary-all/Packages |
| 00:31.31 | themill | that repo is nothing to aspire to |
| 00:31.40 | robbyt | e.g., they have multiple versions of the ‘hiera’ package |
| 00:32.00 | robbyt | what are some of the problems with it? |
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| 00:32.28 | babilen | robbyt: They have multiple versions in the same repo |
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| 00:33.12 | themill | it's a bit of work to get apt to actually install the versions you want and you need to configure apt to not upgrade to the newest version (and then how are you going to get bugfixes?). And this is all supposed to be done automatically |
| 00:33.52 | robbyt | ah- but if i do `apt-cache policy hiera` I can see all of the versions, so it works with apt- |
| 00:34.12 | robbyt | and if I want to pin a specific version, it still works correctly, even though the repo has been updated |
| 00:34.20 | themill | apt-cache policy telling you that there are versions there doesn't mean that it's an easy to use repo |
| 00:34.28 | themill | (for the reasons I already stated...) |
| 00:34.54 | babilen | robbyt: You will have to pin a specific version which does not allow you to get/distribute security updates for that version. How many concurrent versions do you want to support? |
| 00:35.18 | themill | (and why do you want multiple versions?) |
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| 00:36.01 | robbyt | infinate versions, actually- people don’t always want version X |
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| 00:36.20 | babilen | robbyt: As an upstream dev I wouldn't want to support more than, say, 3 concurrent versions at the same time and I would simply use three distinct repositories for each of these major versions. |
| 00:37.22 | robbyt | babilen: good point, and I guess I don’t know yet how many versions I want- |
| 00:37.24 | babilen | robbyt: So you would have a repo for your 1.*, 2.* and 3.* branch/releases. |
| 00:37.25 | robbyt | is there a tool other than reprepro that will allow repos with multiple versions? |
| 00:37.58 | robbyt | or is there a way to prevent reprepro from removing the old package when a new version is added? |
| 00:38.09 | themill | you missed the bit where this is by design |
| 00:38.26 | babilen | robbyt: You shouldn't do it. Not only because it is an uncommon and problematic repository for Debian (which tools assume that you have only a single version), but also because it will make your life as upstream a nightmare. |
| 00:38.40 | robbyt | themill: nope, I saw that :) |
| 00:39.15 | themill | Your users aren't going to thank you for making a repo that is hard to work with and you're making work for yourself too. (There are other tools like dpkg-scanpackages and apt-ftparchive that should do this) |
| 00:40.22 | themill | "users might want to install a different version" quite possibly points to a problem in the release process btw |
| 00:40.22 | babilen | robbyt: Say you release 1.0 and discover a bug and fix that in 1.0.1. You really want to be able to push out that fix to users of your 1.* branch/version. If you concurrently want to cut 2.*, 3.* and 4.* releases then you configure repos for that too. (believe me, supporting four major versions is quite some effort) |
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| 00:41.49 | jmcnaught | as a sysadmin and end-user i would never use a repo that required me to pin |
| 00:42.24 | babilen | robbyt: Your users want a behaviourally stable release for which it is easy to get security and other bug fixes. These are maintained, in line with say http://semver.org/, in individual bugfix branches from which you cut bugfix releases. You really wouldn't want to have take care of many of them. |
| 00:42.38 | robbyt | many people use configuration management tools these days, so you don’t really have to pin- you can just enforce a version to be installed on systems via code |
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| 00:43.11 | babilen | robbyt: You should *always* want the newest version of a particular branch as that contains all bug fixes. |
| 00:43.34 | robbyt | I guess I would like to keep all versions in one repo, and only remove versions when there is a major flaw or security issue |
| 00:44.30 | babilen | robbyt: That is not how its done (but I think that you understood that by now) and users will have problem using your repository. |
| 00:45.28 | robbyt | yes I understand, thank you |
| 00:45.42 | robbyt | it’s turning into a trend for many 3rd party repos however |
| 00:45.44 | robbyt | http://apt.datadoghq.com/dists/unstable/main/binary-x86_64/Packages |
| 00:45.56 | robbyt | and the Puppetlabs repo, http://apt.puppetlabs.com/dists/trusty/main/binary-all/Packages |
| 00:46.03 | themill | people do silly things in on the internet |
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| 00:47.29 | robbyt | yes, they do :) |
| 00:47.57 | babilen | robbyt: And why would you want puppet 1.3.2 anyway if 1.3.4 is available? And 1.3.* and 2.5.* (or 1.* or 2.*) should be in their own repository. |
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| 00:48.55 | robbyt | babilen: because if 1.3.2 is validated to work, that’s the one I want. if 1.3.4 fixed things I don’t care about, I would rather not take the risk to install it |
| 00:49.04 | babilen | Well, versions numbers for hiera (but still) |
| 00:49.49 | babilen | robbyt: That would mean that 1.3.4 wasn't tested enough and should not have been released |
| 00:50.44 | robbyt | babilen: yes that’s hypothetically true. But in the real world, most people don’t really trust releases well enough to install them without testing first. |
| 00:51.08 | robbyt | and if someone needs to setup new servers, are they forced to test 1.3.4 before setting up the servers? |
| 00:51.36 | themill | they'd be doing this without their own local mirror and private repo for these tools? |
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| 00:52.40 | babilen | robbyt: I would argue that yes, they should use 1.3.4 as that *should* be a bugfix release for 1.3.* that should all be compatible and where behaviour (apart from bugs) shouldn't change. |
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| 00:53.13 | ryonaloli | is there any reason to use http over ftp for mirrors for the package manager, aside from having fewer problems with firewalls? |
| 00:53.46 | Dewi | usually seems faster to me |
| 00:53.56 | robbyt | ok guys thanks for your time, I guess I’ll just go hack apart the reprepro code to try to get it to do what I want |
| 00:53.58 | Dewi | more problems with caches though, although hopefully those days are long gone |
| 00:54.23 | babilen | robbyt: Don't get me wrong. I understand the "complete bundle" philosophy commonly found in the, for example, Java world and the whole "we have to use version 1.3.2 forever as we know that worked", but Debian is designed with a sane release process in mind and different releases/branches to test software before a release. |
| 00:54.25 | Dewi | (ryonaloli) |
| 00:55.05 | robbyt | sane release process, for an insane world ;) |
| 00:55.16 | ryonaloli | Dewi: so for a server, with security as the priority, either is equally acceptable? |
| 00:55.22 | babilen | robbyt: Well, it is in your hands. Do it right! |
| 00:55.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell robbyt -about snapshots |
| 00:56.18 | babilen | robbyt: Take a look at snapshots for Debian's approach to "keep obsolete versions around" |
| 00:56.40 | robbyt | thank you |
| 00:57.55 | babilen | robbyt: I sincerely *hate* systems that enforce some bloody unfixed version of some library. It should be possible to easily get all bugfixes with the good feeling that installing them won't break the setup. |
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| 01:00.02 | babilen | It is a very unfortunate trend and one that causes nothing but headaches -- "Oh, you won't believe what I just found! A system with a libssl1.0.0 version that is soo vulnerable" .. "Oh, yeah. Don't upgrade that as FOO_SOFTWARE only runs with that version" .. "But FOO_SOFTWARE is also buggy in that version" .. "Yeah, so don't tell anyone we still deploy it. The customer is happy is it works and who would hack us anyway?" |
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| 01:03.46 | robbyt | babilen: I agree- but when working in web operations with a team that’s shipping versions of software very frequently, sanity of process is a mater of perspective ;) |
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| 01:06.06 | babilen | robbyt: It is what allows you to still have a maintainable system in 15 years |
| 01:07.57 | robbyt | I don’t think there are any debian releases receiving updates that far out |
| 01:08.22 | robbyt | redhat has support for 12 years… and `createrepo` allows multiple versions of packages in a custom repo |
| 01:08.44 | robbyt | just saying... |
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| 01:08.56 | robbyt | I might try this instead of reprepro: http://www.aptly.info |
| 01:09.05 | babilen | robbyt: Debian itself is older than that (as are some of the projects in use) |
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| 01:09.20 | babilen | The kernel comes to mind |
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| 01:10.55 | babilen | robbyt: Is it really not an option to have multiple repos for the few versions you actually want to support? |
| 01:11.15 | babilen | robbyt: Please think about it and the ramifications of this particular design choice. |
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| 01:12.23 | robbyt | babilen: yeah that’s a good idea, I’ll see if I can get it work |
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| 01:15.27 | babilen | robbyt: You might also want to consider a implementing a thorough test suite and (even if only to satisfy the need to do something less boring than adhering to old ways of cutting releases) do continuous integration testing with fancy tools such as jenkins, docker, salt and whatnot. Simply saying that your *releases* (i.e. whatever you use to create Debian packages from) should be of high quality. Processes such as those codified in Debian's ... |
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| 01:15.33 | babilen | ... policy help with that but will, naturally, slow you down as well. |
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| 01:17.13 | robbyt | yes, my jenkins/docker test suite currently takes almost 20mns to run(!) |
| 01:17.36 | dalias | mns? |
| 01:17.40 | robbyt | minutes |
| 01:17.43 | dalias | oh |
| 01:17.54 | dalias | i was hoping that was milli-nano-seconds :) |
| 01:17.59 | robbyt | hahah I wish |
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| 01:18.40 | babilen | robbyt: I mean there are easier ways to deploy git HEAD than cutting low-quality Debian packages from it ;) |
| 01:19.22 | babilen | robbyt: Anyway, I guess you understand the reasoning behing this design choice. All I can tell you that little things such as this shape the culture in which software is being done and the "Ah well, users can just pin a lower not-buggy version" mindset will be detrimental. |
| 01:19.33 | babilen | Anyway, I'm out. I wish you all the best in your endeavour :) |
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| 01:23.15 | robbyt | thanks for your help |
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| 01:39.55 | snadg3 | without upgrading the entire system to testing |
| 01:40.49 | snadg3 | or .. would it be better to build it from source |
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| 02:34.19 | bamb00 | why is it so silent? :-/ |
| 02:34.44 | unsecur3d | people doing debian things |
| 02:34.45 | unsecur3d | lol |
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| 02:35.00 | unsecur3d | lmao u know linux ? |
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| 02:36.03 | bamb00 | haha |
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| 02:40.15 | srged | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.27 | simonlnu | use something better |
| 02:40.36 | srged | do u know any? |
| 02:40.38 | dalias | isn't there some free alternative to itunes? |
| 02:40.52 | srged | is open to suggestions |
| 02:41.01 | dalias | well what do you want to do with itunes? |
| 02:41.14 | dalias | use apple's store? or just be able to copy files on/off apple devices? |
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| 02:41.21 | srged | dalias: basically move in and out pics/music |
| 02:41.30 | floatmastaflex | hey how can I be sure to only get secutiry upgrades / updates? |
| 02:41.40 | themill | floatmastaflex: run stable |
| 02:41.48 | dalias | for pics, you can move them out with just mtp |
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| 02:41.54 | dalias | but it rather sucks |
| 02:42.09 | floatmastaflex | themill and run apt-get upgrade? |
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| 02:43.01 | themill | floatmastaflex: there are very occasionally some upgrades that will require a dist-upgrade to install them. Use whichever one is needed. (and you also need to 'apt-get update') |
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| 02:44.05 | floatmastaflex | HOLD ONTO YOUR BUTTS. TIME FOR A PRODUCTION-FIRST UPGRADE! |
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| 02:44.18 | themill | takes away floatmastaflex's shift key |
| 02:44.33 | floatmastaflex | tricky tricky |
| 02:44.39 | floatmastaflex | how'd you know i use shift? |
| 02:44.46 | dvs | knows that themill doesn't give a shift |
| 02:44.57 | floatmastaflex | only weaklings use capslock |
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| 03:47.04 | flymol0 | ssup all |
| 03:47.31 | flymol0 | can anyone recommend a small quad core server for home usage? |
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| 03:52.20 | flymol0 | preferably looking to run esxi |
| 03:52.23 | tharkun | flymol0: why a quad core? What do you need to do with that particular server? |
| 03:52.28 | flymol0 | 3-4 vms |
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| 03:52.45 | tharkun | And what should be on those vms? |
| 03:53.01 | tharkun | s/vms/vps/ |
| 03:53.20 | tharkun | Just semantics. |
| 03:53.28 | flymol0 | Ha yes |
| 03:53.51 | flymol0 | linux/osx server |
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| 03:54.25 | flymol0 | probably run a web email pbx server off linux and some osx ldap implementation on the other |
| 03:55.04 | flymol0 | I would think two interfaces could reasonbly handle externally facing stuff versus internal |
| 03:55.23 | flymol0 | ^interfaces^network interfaces |
| 03:55.40 | simonlnu | better run ldap on linux, IMO |
| 03:55.44 | tharkun | flymol0: All of those can be run on a modest single core laptop and have a reasonable performance. |
| 03:55.52 | simonlnu | more up to date, runs better |
| 03:56.03 | flymol0 | simonlnu: I'll definitely consider that |
| 03:56.25 | flymol0 | tharkun: I was hoping to get more hands on with virtualization |
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| 03:56.46 | jmcnaught | +1 for recycling old laptops as home servers |
| 03:56.59 | flymol0 | I suppose I could do that |
| 03:57.01 | tharkun | flymol0: R |
| 03:57.03 | simonlnu | prefers openldap |
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| 03:57.14 | flymol0 | I actually have a dual core laptop I can repurpose |
| 03:57.20 | flymol0 | I imagine power consumption would be better as well |
| 03:57.29 | flymol0 | plus integrated kvm ;) |
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| 03:57.54 | tharkun | flymol0: Really if you want to pick on virtualization just pick an old laptop with a dual core and the apropiate cpu flags an be done with it. |
| 03:58.01 | flymol0 | I like that suggestion- I didn't want to spend money |
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| 03:58.25 | flymol0 | In particular what dual core cpus would handle esxi well? |
| 03:58.30 | flymol0 | I think mine's a core2 duo |
| 03:58.43 | jmcnaught | My old laptop with broken screen runs Debian and libvirt/KVM. It's got 3-4 vms running all the time including this IRC client in a screen session, a wiki, apt-cacher-ng and sometimes staging/testing VMs for web apps |
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| 03:59.01 | flymol0 | yeah |
| 03:59.10 | tharkun | Depends on the cpu flags you cpu has. I know the crappy old piece I have works. |
| 03:59.32 | flymol0 | i'm running this client the same way jmcnaught :) |
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| 04:00.19 | jmcnaught | also there's already enough e-waste heading to landfills and other terrible places prematurely |
| 04:00.47 | Dewi | ryonaloli: yeah shouldn't affect security, if you can avoid FTP tangling in the firewall. Security is provided by signatures on the packages themselves |
| 04:02.02 | flymol0 | jmcnaught: yeah, I like that perspective. e waste is definitely a valid concern |
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| 04:02.24 | flymol0 | I'm going to use the laptop and see how it goes. thanks for the suggestions guys |
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| 04:04.44 | flymol0 | jmcnaught: what hypervisor do you use? |
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| 04:06.11 | jmcnaught | flymol0: i use KVM with libvirt. It's quite easy to install and manage in Debian. You can use the virt-manager GUI to manage a remote host, and there are a bunch of libvirt CLI tools too. |
| 04:07.07 | jmcnaught | flymol0: for some things i'm also starting to use LXC too |
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| 04:08.14 | flymol0 | So in essence debian hosts the hypervisor? |
| 04:08.17 | flymol0 | interesting |
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| 04:08.34 | flymol0 | I saw on their site they had support for the xen hypervisor |
| 04:08.44 | flymol0 | Brings me back to the days of egenera ;) |
| 04:10.30 | jmcnaught | flymol0: i use libvirt and KVM on my regular laptop and desktop too |
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| 04:11.31 | flymol0 | I'm going to try that |
| 04:11.56 | jmcnaught | flymol0: https://wiki.debian.org/KVM is a pretty decent overview to get started |
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| 04:12.25 | flymol0 | Cool, thank you |
| 04:12.44 | jmcnaught | flymol0: have fun :) |
| 04:12.52 | flymol0 | Thanks! |
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| 06:05.16 | Name141 | Does debian have all the 'fun' stuff in a repo? Like VLC, ntfs-3g, etc? Or do you have to add something like you do on CentOS/Fedora (RPMFusion) ? |
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| 06:06.05 | jmcnaught | Name141: both VLC and ntfs-3g are in Debian. You can search for packages here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 06:06.31 | Name141 | jmcnaught: is netinstall recommended? |
| 06:06.56 | jmcnaught | Name141: I recommend it |
| 06:07.11 | Name141 | I might as well try out debian as I'm running the path to replacing XP |
| 06:07.15 | Name141 | So far Mint is the winner. |
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| 06:08.24 | dizzylizzy | Name141: that's unsurprising; people who don't care about software freedom often go with mint |
| 06:08.32 | dizzylizzy | it's good for that use case |
| 06:08.51 | jmcnaught | Name141: you may want to review the installation manual before you get started. If you have hardware that requires non-free firmware then you need to have it read on a USB stick. There's also an unofficial netinst that includes most of the firmwares. Debian's not really that much more difficult to install than Mint though |
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| 06:09.20 | Name141 | jmcnaught: Surly it's not harder than CentOS ? |
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| 06:11.00 | jmcnaught | Name141: i'm not really that familiar with CentOS. I don't find Debian very difficult at all, but coming from Windows you'll probably need to do a bit of reading and learn new ways of doing things, new jargon etc. There's plenty of excellent documentation |
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| 06:11.48 | jmcnaught | Name141: here's some info about software freedom if you're interested: https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 06:13.03 | jmcnaught | err.. well that whole document is worth reading to get an idea of what debian's about. There's lots more about free software you can find on the net |
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| 06:14.32 | jmcnaught | Name141: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html that's probably about source for what free software means and why it's important |
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| 06:17.50 | Name141 | jmcnaught: By free software I guess you are talking about free stuff to play AVI's , MP3s, etc? Or just replacing all that with ogg, so on ? |
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| 06:19.16 | jmcnaught | Name141: more like free as in freedom. You can play all those formats in debian using free software |
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| 06:20.00 | Name141 | jmcnaught: Speaking of something, has unetbootn (spelling?) been fixed to work right with making a flash drive for booting with debian? |
| 06:20.05 | Name141 | I recall people complaining of errors |
| 06:20.31 | Name141 | ah we'll see in a second anyay, download is done |
| 06:20.41 | jmcnaught | as far as i know unetbootin still breaks debian installer isos |
| 06:21.01 | Name141 | gah |
| 06:21.18 | jmcnaught | are you preparing it on windows? |
| 06:21.22 | Name141 | yes |
| 06:22.14 | jmcnaught | !win32diskimager |
| 06:22.14 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 06:24.27 | jmcnaught | Name141: ^^^ |
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| 06:25.29 | Name141 | jmcnaught: so far the unetbootn one is doing the job but I might as well download that too |
| 06:25.37 | Name141 | it's installing the base system |
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| 06:26.00 | jmcnaught | cool, it's hit or miss from what i understand |
| 06:26.21 | Name141 | Do I later have to tell it what mirror to use, and all that like CentOS ? |
| 06:26.36 | Name141 | pick out the GUI I want, etc |
| 06:27.42 | jmcnaught | mirrors should be one of the questions during the installer, another question is the "tasks" where if you select desktop it will install the default gnome desktop. You can of course install additional desktop environments later on |
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| 06:46.45 | Zoxc | How can I install KDE? aptitude --without-recommends install ~t^standard$ ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$ says nothing needs to be installed |
| 06:47.11 | jelly-home | !install kde |
| 06:47.11 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". |
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| 06:50.13 | Zoxc | with apt-get install kde-standard E: Package 'kde-standard' has no installation candidate |
| 06:50.33 | jelly-home | Zoxc: which debian release are you using? |
| 06:50.42 | jelly-home | ,v kde-standard |
| 06:50.43 | judd | Package: kde-standard on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66; wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:84; sid: 5:84 |
| 06:50.52 | Zoxc | I did run 'aptitude --without-recommends install ~t^standard ~t^desktop ~t^kde-desktop' (without the $s once) |
| 06:51.09 | jelly-home | Zoxc: again, which debian release are you using? |
| 06:51.14 | Zoxc | jessie |
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| 06:52.19 | jelly-home | Zoxc: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy dpkg base-files kde-standard", please |
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| 06:54.39 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 06:54.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 06:55.26 | blz37 | anybody tried m3800 with debian ? |
| 06:55.27 | Zoxc | http://paste.debian.net/104388/ |
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| 06:56.34 | jelly-home | Zoxc: your sources.list are incomplete, read /msg dpkg jessie sources.list |
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| 06:56.42 | jelly-home | also, |
| 06:56.45 | jelly-home | !debian-next |
| 06:56.45 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 06:57.30 | Zoxc | I don't want to join another network =P |
| 06:58.00 | Name141 | Seems to take a decent while to get all the packages |
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| 06:58.52 | gr8 | this page http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-automatic-harden.en.html#s6.2 says that a bastille package is provided with debian. I guess that is wrong? |
| 06:59.06 | jelly-home | Zoxc: that is where jessie is discussed, it's a testing branch and oftc is Debian's official irc network |
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| 06:59.52 | jelly-home | Zoxc: this channel primarily caters to stable and users of stable |
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| 07:03.36 | jmcnaught | gr8: that page is outdated unfortunately. The "harden" package will pull in some packages that are similar like tiger and checksecurity |
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| 07:04.25 | Name141 | jmcnaught: You said the default GUI was Gnome 3? |
| 07:04.38 | gr8 | jmcnaught: ok thanks |
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| 07:05.12 | jmcnaught | Name141: it is for Wheezy, but you can get the installer to install something else |
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| 07:05.45 | Name141 | jmcnaught: is that the funky looking unity type one ? |
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| 07:05.54 | Name141 | I imagine it has MATE? or something else ? |
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| 07:06.13 | tapout | is there a way to ping from a source ip? I have a /27 and I want to test different ip sources to remote... |
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| 07:06.55 | jmcnaught | Name141: there are a whole bunch of options including KDE, xfce4, LXDE. I think MATE just became available in wheezy-backports |
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| 07:08.32 | Name141 | jmcnaught: it just finally got the packages and installing them |
| 07:08.36 | jelly-home | Zoxc: there's an assumption that people install testing to help debian fixing it up and making it ready for normal users. This means some experience in using debian, and willingness to investigate and help. |
| 07:08.38 | Name141 | so it'll be awhile.. |
| 07:08.43 | jmcnaught | tapout: according to the ping man page you can use -I to set the source interface |
| 07:09.12 | tapout | jmcnaught, i already tried that.. ping -I "eth0:19" host.com |
| 07:09.16 | tapout | still uses default ip |
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| 07:09.47 | tapout | i'll try mtr -a as i can't figure it out |
| 07:09.59 | Zoxc | jelly-home: I install testing because it supposedly up to date enough that things work |
| 07:10.08 | jelly-home | Zoxc: there is no support infrastructure for people that just want to use it, testing is not well suited for that -- |
| 07:10.24 | jmcnaught | Name141: waiting for stuff to install is a great time to dig into the documentation :) |
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| 07:10.39 | Name141 | jmcnaught: Or start Borderlands 2 |
| 07:10.47 | Name141 | Sniper Elite V2.. |
| 07:10.49 | Name141 | etc |
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| 07:11.50 | Zoxc | jelly-home: I'm hoping it's more stable than Arch =P |
| 07:11.53 | jelly-home | Zoxc: a lot of software works, or can be made to work, on the current Debian release too. This channel _can_ help with that. |
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| 07:12.44 | Zoxc | According to the Wiki, the GPU driver for Mac Book Pro 11,1 doesn't work on wheezy |
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| 07:16.23 | jelly-home | Zoxc: tis probably true |
| 07:16.43 | Name141 | Looks like Spotify can be easily installed on debian just like ubuntu made ones |
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| 07:18.11 | jmcnaught | Name141: don't try to install Ubuntu packages on Debian. See the section about FrankenDebian on this link: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 07:18.30 | jelly-home | Zoxc: tho https://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro looks rather outdated |
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| 07:18.55 | Zoxc | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/MacBookPro/11-1 |
| 07:18.56 | Name141 | jmcnaught: https://www.spotify.com/us/download/previews/ |
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| 07:19.01 | Name141 | was the way I was headed |
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| 07:20.25 | jmcnaught | Name141: well if it breaks something it'll be spotify's fault :) |
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| 07:21.10 | formorer | as far as I can say the spotify packages work on debian without problems |
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| 07:21.52 | Name141 | jmcnaught: I see that debian doesn't recommend ATi/AMD or nVidia drivers from AMD/nVidia |
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| 07:21.57 | Name141 | ..or so I'm getting |
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| 07:23.24 | jelly-home | Name141: this is correct, debian repackages both to make them play better with our packaging system |
| 07:24.04 | Name141 | jelly-home: So much for Linux versions of games I guess. |
| 07:24.10 | Name141 | (From steam) |
| 07:24.17 | jelly-home | Name141: sorry? |
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| 07:25.19 | jelly-home | Name141: debian recommends against using AMD's and Nvidia's installers, and provides own packaging of the same software, instead |
| 07:25.39 | jelly-home | eg. |
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| 07:25.42 | jelly-home | !fglrx |
| 07:25.42 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphic processing units. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; ask me about <fglrx legacy> or use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary or ask me about <fglrx dkms>. |
| 07:25.44 | jmcnaught | Name141: are you going by that DontBreakDebian link on the wiki that I told you about? If you read that section it directs you to the "debian way" of installing the proprietary drivers |
| 07:25.51 | Name141 | jelly-home: I doubt the 4670 is going to work decent anyway |
| 07:26.46 | jmcnaught | Name141: if that section isn't very clear let me know and i can try and rewrite it (i wrote that page the other day to help new users not bork their systems) |
| 07:26.52 | jelly-home | Name141: that may be, IME nvidia gpus and drivers are typically more stable on linux than amd |
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| 07:27.34 | jelly-home | Name141: this is not a debian-specific issue tho |
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| 07:28.35 | Name141 | No. The 8300 GS had better drivers, but of course wasn't good for gaming at all. |
| 07:29.32 | jmcnaught | Name141: the basic idea is almost every you need is available via APT (the debian packaging system) and that it's very easy to break your system by installing software from random websites and third party repos. As a new user stick to the Debian repos, there's SO MUCH stuff in there |
| 07:30.29 | jelly-home | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 07:30.30 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.4.2-1; sid/non-free: 1:14.4.2-1; experimental/non-free: 1:14.6~betav1.0-1 |
| 07:31.09 | Name141 | That machine really lived it's life on games anyway. Just needs to display. It's only an E2160 and 4670. |
| 07:31.23 | Name141 | Portal 2 was it's breaking point. |
| 07:31.33 | formorer | if you just want to display stick with the free drivers. |
| 07:31.39 | jelly-home | Name141: if your card is supported in fglrx 13.12 it has a fair chance of working |
| 07:33.00 | jmcnaught | the open source radeon driver is able to play all of the FPS games in the debian repos at 1080p on my 5770. Give the default drivers a shot before you install proprietary stuff |
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| 07:34.16 | Name141 | jmcnaught: GTA5 for PC is gonna kill us all anyway :p |
| 07:34.25 | Name141 | (probably) |
| 07:34.56 | peetaur2 | jmcnaught: can you say the same about a similar performance nvidia with the libre driver? |
| 07:35.41 | jelly-home | peetaur2: for games from steam? no, use nvidia blob drivers. |
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| 07:35.47 | jmcnaught | peetaur2: the only nvidia card i have is in my "home server" laptop with the broken screen so i have no idea |
| 07:36.57 | peetaur2 | jelly-home: aww. My machine has an nvidia in linux (radeon blacklisted / not compiled), and radeons for vfio-pci-vga passthrough ... would be nice if the nvidia in Linux was reasonable. |
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| 07:37.28 | SirLagz | peetaur2: how is nvidia in Linux not reasonable ? |
| 07:37.29 | peetaur2 | radeon is a mean driver that affects devices even if you bind them to pci-stub in the kernel command line |
| 07:37.44 | peetaur2 | I mean reasonably comparable performance with the libre driver |
| 07:37.48 | peetaur2 | to radeon |
| 07:37.55 | SirLagz | peetaur2: ah |
| 07:38.06 | peetaur2 | and I have no idea if it is, but jelly-home seems to indicate it is not. |
| 07:38.08 | jelly-home | peetaur2: frankly I'm suprised you got two cards with diverse drivers to work _at all_ |
| 07:38.45 | SirLagz | jelly-home: I've gotten a Voodoo Banshee and a nVidia card working together before, does that count ? lol |
| 07:39.02 | Name141 | Hm. Is disabiling netinst CD in sources.list supposed to take a while ? |
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| 07:39.18 | jmcnaught | i think steam requires using proprietary drivers period, but i haven't paid too close attention because i don't have a lot of interest in steam |
| 07:39.25 | peetaur2 | jelly-home: I compiled my kernel without radeon ... (since blacklisting is super annoying) ... so they don't really work with diverse drivers. Linux runs nvidia, and the other GPUs are bound to pci-stub on boot, then vfio-pci afterwards, and then they go in virtual machines. |
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| 07:39.48 | peetaur2 | jelly-home: and it's 3 cards :P |
| 07:40.17 | Name141 | Install seems to be hung on that for some reason. |
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| 07:42.59 | Name141 | ah there it goes |
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| 07:48.38 | jmcnaught | Name141: well it's time for bed. Enjoy Debian! |
| 07:49.21 | Name141 | It seems debian has outdated software too |
| 07:49.24 | Name141 | like CentOS |
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| 07:49.49 | peetaur2 | not outdated... stable |
| 07:49.52 | SirLagz | Name141: Debian and CentOS have stable software |
| 07:50.00 | peetaur2 | take an old thing, patch it with all the latest patches, and you have a rock solid system |
| 07:50.18 | babilen | And stable simply means "not changing" in this case |
| 07:50.19 | peetaur2 | then add a few unstable packages that you really need (and get screamed at for it being unsupported), and you have a truly great system |
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| 07:50.28 | babilen | ugh |
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| 07:51.14 | formorer | it is always hard to release packages of software that isn't existing yet. the development of time machines isn't that far that we were able to release future packages. |
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| 07:51.27 | formorer | you will always have this gap with release based distributions. |
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| 07:54.56 | OllieB | I have 250gb of space can someone help me chose the sizes of partitions to make? |
| 07:55.23 | formorer | if in doubt, only use one partition + swap |
| 07:55.34 | j0z | home -> 150 gb |
| 07:55.48 | j0z | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.13 | j0z | var 30 gb /usr 30 gb |
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| 07:56.23 | j0z | 30 gb to / |
| 07:56.27 | jelly-home | OllieB: two partitions, a 200-500MB one for /boot, the rest for lvm |
| 07:56.30 | j0z | and 10 gb to swap |
| 07:56.36 | formorer | sure, if you want to waste a lot of space thats possible. |
| 07:56.42 | j0z | no |
| 07:56.52 | j0z | 9 gb to swap and 1 gb to /boot |
| 07:56.58 | jelly-home | separate /var and /usr is silly for home use unless you know _exactly_ what's going to be there |
| 07:57.14 | jelly-home | formorer: hence lvm! |
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| 07:57.35 | sandman13 | anyone here use KDE with Debian 7 |
| 07:57.38 | sandman13 | ? |
| 07:57.40 | formorer | jelly-home: sure. lvm makes sense if you get new storage later |
| 07:57.46 | jelly-home | sandman13: yes. |
| 07:57.49 | formorer | unless you have a server or multiuser system. There is not much sense nowadays to a multi-partition layout |
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| 07:58.12 | sandman13 | jelly-home: do you have black background on lock screen |
| 07:58.13 | peetaur2 | OllieB: also use LVM |
| 07:58.40 | jelly-home | sandman13: no, configured to some screen saver with a non-black background |
| 07:58.47 | OllieB | thanks guys |
| 07:58.49 | peetaur2 | OllieB: just make like 256 MB /boot, then the rest one lvm partition, then make a swap lv and a "monolithic" root (including home, etc.) |
| 07:59.08 | peetaur2 | you can put boot on lvm too, but it sometimes brings more pain |
| 07:59.55 | sandman13 | jelly-home: how? I don't see any way to add images |
| 08:00.09 | jelly-home | sandman13: open system settings, search for saver |
| 08:01.00 | sandman13 | jelly-home: I am on Display and Monitor > Screen Saver |
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| 08:03.02 | jelly-home | sandman13: sorry, busy -- be back in a bit |
| 08:03.16 | sandman13 | jelly-home: okay |
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| 08:07.25 | c-101 | Hello there, anyone using the owncloud debian packages ? |
| 08:07.43 | SirLagz | yep |
| 08:08.20 | c-101 | SirLagz, have you seen any apache segfault while doing it ? |
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| 08:08.30 | SirLagz | c-101: nope |
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| 08:08.43 | c-101 | mmmmm, i have just updated php5 package and it works |
| 08:08.43 | c-101 | :D |
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| 09:00.52 | jelly | sandman13: I guess you should pick the Slide Show screensaver if you want some images to be shown |
| 09:01.06 | jelly | ha |
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| 09:41.37 | Psy-Q | on a debian wheezy machine i'm getting a "peak detect" audio capture device in my KDE mixer. that device messes with capture device levels all the time (it seems to be too sensitive and reduces the level too easily). can i disable it? |
| 09:41.52 | Psy-Q | i've never seen such a device before on other machines |
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| 09:42.20 | nabblet | hi, i did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade but The following packages have been kept back: gstreamer1.0-alsa gstreamer1.0-plugins-base libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 |
| 09:42.23 | nabblet | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded. |
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| 09:43.30 | nabblet | how can i fix this? |
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| 09:47.20 | ADHDlinux | any knowledgable debian heads have a spare moment? |
| 09:47.55 | petn-randall | !ask |
| 09:47.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 09:49.58 | ADHDlinux | am I allowed to link to my question rather than spamming this box that lays out my situation? |
| 09:50.00 | doebi | how can i remove all unnecessary packges from apt like *-dev which are only useful for compiling, i want to remove those since i have no space left on my root partition |
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| 09:50.05 | ADHDlinux | Don't mean to cause any trouble |
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| 09:50.58 | solcywill | synaptic |
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| 09:51.13 | petn-randall | ADHDlinux: Sure, link us. As long as your question is related to Debian, you're welcome to ask here. |
| 09:51.19 | ADHDlinux | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/i-want-to-understand-4175507698/ |
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| 09:51.39 | ADHDlinux | IT certainly is, just lengthy so I didn't want to spam a novel here. :) |
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| 09:52.56 | petn-randall | ADHDlinux: Every repository is signed by a key, to make sure that every package that you install or update has a verified trust chain. |
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| 09:53.28 | ADHDlinux | trust chain being? |
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| 09:54.19 | petn-randall | ADHDlinux: The highest point in the chain is the public key, which you have to decide if you trust, or not. That's why if you add a google repository to your system, you have to explicitely tell apt that any repo signed with that key is trustworthy to you. |
| 09:54.22 | Ulrar | Hi, is there a way to install emacs 24 without X support ? The only package I see is emacs23-nox, seems outdated |
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| 09:55.20 | mjt | Ulrar: what's wrong with X support? |
| 09:55.26 | petn-randall | ADHDlinux: The Release file is signed by the key, and can be verified with the public part of the key. In the are basically the signatures to all the packages contained in that repo. |
| 09:55.41 | Ulrar | mjt: Seems already useless on a desktop PC, so on a server .. |
| 09:55.47 | Ulrar | I'd rather not pull all that dependencies |
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| 09:56.12 | Psy-Q | no one familiar with "peak detect" audio devices suddenly appearing on your capture devices and messing up your volume? |
| 09:56.15 | doebi | Ulrar: why would you want emacs on a server? |
| 09:56.30 | mjt | Ulrar: I found X some clients to be very useful on servers, but not emacs... |
| 09:56.34 | Ulrar | doebi: To edit conf files ? |
| 09:56.39 | mjt | some X clients* |
| 09:56.42 | doebi | Ulrar: use vim |
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| 09:56.45 | ADHDlinux | I see! Lately it seems like I've been running around linux as a lost puppy, friends that are knowledgable get too frustraited and annoyed with the novice things I ask. Tat was the first helpfull answer I've gotten yet |
| 09:56.56 | ADHDlinux | that* |
| 09:56.58 | Ulrar | yeah, I'm not there to troll on an other emacs VS vim |
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| 09:57.40 | mjt | it is more: if you're going to use emacs like this, it will work much better on your X display. |
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| 09:57.52 | petn-randall | ADHDlinux: Pick up some literature if you want to delve into it. Learn how to ask smart questions. Be patient if you don't get an answer straight away. Those are the things I'd recommend to do :) |
| 09:58.21 | Ulrar | mjt: Never liked the X version of emacs |
| 09:58.38 | mjt | at any rate, that version will work without X just fine |
| 09:58.41 | Ulrar | the console version works perfectly, and is in my terminal along with all my other applications |
| 09:58.53 | ADHDlinux | Is there a way to private message and ask for what sort of literature you'd recommend? |
| 09:58.55 | Ulrar | yeah, just wondering if there was a way to avoid those dependencies |
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| 09:58.59 | Ulrar | I'm used to gentoo |
| 09:59.08 | Ulrar | ADHDlinux: /query |
| 09:59.19 | mjt | starting from version 24 they stopped shipping separate non-x version of emacs |
| 09:59.48 | mjt | um. or not? |
| 09:59.55 | mjt | emacs24-nox 24.3+1-4 |
| 10:00.22 | Ulrar | I guess I'm using some old debian then |
| 10:00.42 | Ulrar | It's a VM the school gave us |
| 10:00.44 | Ulrar | Thanks anyway |
| 10:00.45 | mjt | wheezy has emacs23 |
| 10:01.06 | Ulrar | squeeze according to sources.list |
| 10:01.20 | mjt | squeeze has emacs23 too |
| 10:02.10 | Ulrar | I'll use that, good enough |
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| 10:06.23 | petn-randall | ADHDlinux: General Linux books are too many too count. The last one's I read were quite a while ago, so I can't give any recommendations. I'd just follow Amazon's rating as a rough guide to whether the book is good. |
| 10:07.23 | OpenTokix | only thing you can be sure of when it comes to books, they are outdated =) |
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| 10:08.18 | ADHDlinux | I really appreciate the help, as trivial as it is, It does mean a lot. |
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| 10:13.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell ADHDlinux -about secure apt |
| 10:13.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell ADHDlinux -about handbook |
| 10:13.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell ADHDlinux -about general cli tutorial |
| 10:13.48 | babilen | ADHDlinux: That should get you running. Feel free to ask them bot (in private) about all the other things in <...> (remove the < .. >) |
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| 11:17.19 | sioux_ | hi.. i'm trying install Firebird in debian squeeze. I have downloaded the package FirebirdSS-2.5.2.26540-0.i686.tar.gz from http://www.firebirdsql.org/en/server-packages/#Linux_x86 . I exec ps -aux, and i see that is running http://paste.debian.net/104430/ |
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| 11:17.33 | sioux_ | bu when i try access in port 3050 ... doesn´t work |
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| 11:18.24 | petn-randall | sioux_: Why not just install the one shipped with Debian? |
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| 11:19.06 | sioux_ | petn-randall: i have tried.. but doesnt work too |
| 11:19.15 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
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| 11:19.25 | sioux_ | i see the process... |
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| 11:19.44 | petn-randall | Oh, dpkg left. |
| 11:19.46 | sioux_ | but when try connect port 3050..doesnt work |
| 11:19.55 | sioux_ | dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 11:20.03 | petn-randall | sioux_: What do you mean with doesn't work. That's a very vague statement. |
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| 11:20.27 | sioux_ | petn-randall: cant acess port of service.... |
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| 11:20.38 | petn-randall | sioux_: Do you see it if you do 'netstat -npl | grep firebird'? |
| 11:20.41 | sioux_ | in windows i try telnet ip-server 3050 ... failed |
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| 11:21.14 | sioux_ | petn-randall: |
| 11:21.17 | sioux_ | root@servidor:~# netstat -npl Conexões Internet Ativas (sem os servidores) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Endereço Local Endereço Remoto Estado PID/Program name tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:47561 0.0.0.0:* OUÇA 749/rpc.statd tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3050 0.0.0.0:* OUÇA 1019/fbserver |
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| 11:21.29 | sioux_ | sorry.. will paste |
| 11:21.40 | monotoko | ... does Debian Jessie no longer have tabs on it's terminals? |
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| 11:21.54 | sioux_ | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/104434/ |
| 11:21.55 | monotoko | my "Open Tab" button seems to have vanished after upgrade |
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| 11:25.29 | _ikke_ | I'm trying to use pam_ccreds to cache passwords for a radius server. I have authentication against the radius server working, but want to prevent too many connections to the radius server. This is my config: http://pastie.org/9279844. The problem is that ppam_ccreds doesn't seem to store anything at all (cc_dump returns empty file).. THe logs only give a warning about libgcrypt not being initialized. using |
| 11:25.31 | _ikke_ | cc_test i am able to add credentials. Any idea how to get this to work? |
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| 11:39.54 | srenatus | hi there. Is there any way to have 'apt-get install foo', when used to upgrade the version of package foo, also upgrade the versions of its dependencies? |
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| 11:42.00 | _ikke_ | What is wrong with this network config: http:/pastie.org/9279895. I get the error: "trying to add VLAN #36 to IF -:bond0:- error: file exists |
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| 12:02.25 | petn-randall | sioux_: Looks all fine to me. What does the firebird log say when you try to connect? Are you getting a timeout or a reject on connecting? Did you check any firewalls running if they're configured to let that port through? |
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| 12:14.19 | _ikke_ | What is the proper way to configure bonding + vlan tagging in debian? |
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| 12:14.43 | OpenTokix | _ikke_: it is _very_ hairy to get bridges to talk vlans |
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| 12:15.24 | jelly | _ikke_: install bridge-utils and vlan packages, configure bonding first, then put vlan interfaces on top |
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| 12:16.21 | _ikke_ | We already have this setup working under alpine, but the same configuration under debian gives errors when starting / stopping the networking service |
| 12:16.35 | _ikke_ | It does work the seccond time |
| 12:16.42 | _ikke_ | (still with errors) |
| 12:17.08 | jelly | _ikke_: pastebin your interfaces file and the bootlog errors |
| 12:17.19 | jelly | what's alpine? |
| 12:17.49 | _ikke_ | http:/pastie.org/9279895 |
| 12:17.55 | petn-randall | srenatus: That might or might not do what you're thinking it does. What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 12:18.07 | jelly | http://pastie.org/9279895 |
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| 12:18.17 | _ikke_ | thanks |
| 12:18.31 | _ikke_ | This setup does on alpine |
| 12:18.36 | _ikke_ | does work* |
| 12:19.03 | _ikke_ | I get the error: "trying to add VLAN #36 to IF -:bond0:- error: file exists |
| 12:19.11 | jelly | _ikke_: do not put ifup/ifdown lines for other interfaces into the stanza for bond0 |
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| 12:19.33 | _ikke_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.34 | jelly | _ikke_: add "auto bond0" and "auto bond0.36" instead |
| 12:19.56 | jelly | aight, you already have the first one |
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| 12:21.26 | jelly | _ikke_: unfortunately restart action for the networking service does not do the sensible thing. If you need to up and down interfaces at runtime, do it with ifup and ifdown |
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| 12:24.24 | _ikke_ | I still get the same error with ifup bond0.36 |
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| 12:25.18 | srenatus | petn-randall: right now, we're using 'apt-get install packageA' to upgrade packageA. packageA depends on packageB, and there's a newer version of packageB in the repository. I'd like to have packageB upgraded in the process of upgrading packageA. |
| 12:25.31 | _ikke_ | I removed the ifup/down sttements from the bond0 stanza, and addded auto bond0.36 |
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| 12:28.19 | _ikke_ | The network does work when doing that, but I wonder why it gives those errors |
| 12:28.27 | jelly | what errors? |
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| 12:31.57 | petn-randall | srenatus: Which repos are you mixing? |
| 12:31.58 | _ikke_ | http://pastie.org/xnpel59hxukcsgotgabja |
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| 12:33.05 | boudiccas | is vfat the same as fat32 please? i want to format a new sd-card to vfat |
| 12:33.17 | boudiccas | using gparted |
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| 12:34.48 | petn-randall | boudiccas: Wikipedia couldn't help you on this one? |
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| 12:35.22 | _ikke_ | http://pastie.org/9280010 |
| 12:35.49 | boudiccas | petn-randall; i'm trying atm but its like wading through molasses, darn slow! |
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| 12:36.34 | _ikke_ | jelly: ^^ |
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| 12:36.54 | petn-randall | boudiccas: Further, the term "VFAT" has led to various misconceptions as well,[nb 1] as it is sometimes erroneously used as if it would describe another variant of FAT file system to be distinguished from the FAT12, FAT16 and FAT32 file systems, while in reality it does not specify another file system, but an optional extension, which can work on top of any FAT file system, FAT12, FAT16 or FAT32. Volumes utilizing VFAT long-filenames can ... |
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| 12:37.00 | petn-randall | ... be read also by operating systems not supporting the VFAT extension, for as long as they support the underlying file system. |
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| 12:37.17 | petn-randall | Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vfat#Nomenclature |
| 12:37.38 | boudiccas | thanks |
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| 12:38.23 | TheWarden | Hello |
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| 12:39.09 | _ikke_ | Why does it try to remove / add the vlan twice? |
| 12:39.22 | jelly | _ikke_: weird. can you run "ip link" or "ifconfig -a" before and after "ifdown bond0.36" to see what it does? |
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| 12:39.58 | TheWarden | I have a server that I backup files to. I recently changed this server to a new one setup as a NAS. However for some reason I'm not able to connect to it even though I can see the file share. All I've done is changed which server to connect to yet it will not mount. |
| 12:40.18 | a-l-e | question: is there a way to set evince as the default pdf viewer (instead of evince-viewer?) |
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| 12:40.29 | TheWarden | I try to do the following mount -t cifs //192.168.0.38/files/Groups/Support/Backups/servers-linux/daily -o rw,username=backup,password=guess /mnt/backups and I receive a message of "column: invalid option -- 'o'". |
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| 12:40.45 | rnz | Hi! Anybody know why some many gtk application is slowdown drawing in 2D (without compiz or other composition managers) when run more X Window process (example chromium with 10> tabs)? |
| 12:40.52 | TheWarden | however o is a valid option as stated in the man pages and it worked fine previously. |
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| 12:41.23 | a-l-e | update-alternatives does not to seem to have a setting for the pdf viewer... |
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| 12:41.28 | formorer | TheWarden: try to resort. first options, then smbshare, then targetdirectory |
| 12:41.40 | _ikke_ | jelly: I cannot c/p the output, but before there is a bond0.36@bond0 interface, and afterwards it's gone. The bond0 interface is still there |
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| 12:41.59 | jelly | _ikke_: and yet ifup complains? |
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| 12:42.13 | _ikke_ | yes |
| 12:42.16 | petn-randall | TheWarden: The order is important. "-o <options>" can't come after the device/mountpoint. |
| 12:42.33 | TheWarden | formorer: just tried that and I received the same error message. |
| 12:42.58 | jelly | _ikke_: no idea. I don't have a test machine to play with that setup right now. |
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| 12:43.21 | TheWarden | petn-randall: oh, well that is rather odd because it worked fine before. either way still no go. I tried moving like so, mount -o rw,username=backup,password=guess -t cifs //192.168.0.38/files/Groups/Support/Backups/servers-linux/daily /mnt/backups |
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| 12:43.53 | TheWarden | petn-randall: doing the command that way received the same error message. |
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| 12:45.05 | formorer | TheWarden: hm, the command gets dispatched to the mount.cifs binary. that man page says: mount.cifs {service} {mount-point} [-o options] |
| 12:45.08 | TheWarden | according to the man pages in the synopsis, it gives an example of mount [-fnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-o options] device dir, therefore it appears I do have them in the right order. Heck like I said it worked before when connecting to a different server. Only difference now is that I'm trying to connect to a new server that is a NAS. |
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| 12:47.03 | TheWarden | so frustrating |
| 12:47.11 | formorer | sudo mount -o rw,username=backup,password=guess -t cifs //192.168.0.38/files/Groups/Support/Backups/servers-linux/daily /mnt |
| 12:47.15 | formorer | that one works here. |
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| 12:48.01 | TheWarden | shakes his head at himself |
| 12:48.20 | _ikke_ | jelly: thanks for looking anyway |
| 12:48.21 | TheWarden | oh man, I forgot to put sudo in front of the command unreal. Now a permissions problem.... mmm odd. looking into it. |
| 12:48.21 | gr8 | I've installed Debian on my laptop recently. I'm just using it for daily work. is there anything I should do to make the default setup more secure, except using good passwords and keeping software up2date? |
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| 12:49.03 | tugrik | formorer: shouldn't you mount that as /mnt/<something>, not /mnt ? |
| 12:49.15 | TheWarden | what a stupid mistake |
| 12:49.24 | formorer | that doesn't change anything if you just want to test the parser. |
| 12:49.48 | formorer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.09 | formorer | but if mount tries to mount the share, you know the parser worked. |
| 12:50.34 | TheWarden | yeah, jus getting mount error(13) : Permission denied. |
| 12:51.07 | _ikke_ | jelly: reading here that aparently that it's the vlan package that might be causing an error due to backwards compatibility to the old ioctl infrastructure |
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| 12:53.01 | thid | firstly a 2-node cluster will be enough |
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| 12:55.15 | _ikke_ | jelly: aparently it's the vlan ifup / down hooks |
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| 12:55.51 | boudiccas | how can i copy the contents of /home/boudiccas/galaxy/22FD-BA2D [all 28 directories equalling 24g] to /media/boudiccas/F145-8C90. i've tried cp -unr /home/boudiccas/galaxy/22FD-BA2D but it refused to do it |
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| 12:56.38 | _ikke_ | jelly: after disabling those hooks, the errors disappear |
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| 12:59.28 | jelly | _ikke_: verify that works at reboot time |
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| 13:00.40 | boudiccas | got it, didn't know about the extra . |
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| 13:08.59 | quantum-x | hey all. Strange problem - when I am on a local tty and launch "startx &" - it will NOT background - but if I am doing it from a tellnet session, it works.. Any ideas ? |
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| 13:09.20 | petn-randall | telnet?! |
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| 13:10.08 | quantum-x | ssh, sorry ;) |
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| 13:13.21 | tugrik | not sure why quantum-x ; but don't you want it in the foreground so you can see any errors? |
| 13:14.04 | quantum-x | well specifically, I was wanting to execute a python gui program afterwards |
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| 13:14.25 | quantum-x | so I had a bash script that did startx & - and then python xyz.py |
| 13:14.34 | tugrik | within the X session you've started with "startx" ? |
| 13:14.40 | quantum-x | correct |
| 13:14.47 | quantum-x | but apparently this is the wrong approach ? :D |
| 13:15.08 | tugrik | I *think* that should be specified in your user's .xinitrc file, or you can point startx at a specific xinitrc file |
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| 13:15.24 | tugrik | but that's off the top of my head, and might not be The Debian Way |
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| 13:15.46 | tugrik | my X has wored for years, so I've avoided looking t the files in case I break something ;) |
| 13:15.57 | quantum-x | haha yeah it does have that feel to it sometimes :D |
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| 13:18.51 | mjt | my /home somehow is mounted with _netdev option (in /proc/mounts, not in /etc/fstab). Why? (systemd on wheezy) |
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| 13:20.48 | mjt | it is a local filesystem on /dev/sda6 |
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| 13:31.47 | Jynx | does anyone here run debian unstable ? |
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| 13:32.23 | petn-randall | Jynx: Nope, but pretty much everyone in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net does. Though you should ask your real question there. |
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| 13:34.12 | Walex2 | mjt: "systemd on wheezy" :-( |
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| 13:40.27 | gr8 | good guys, please answer my question |
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| 13:41.53 | petn-randall | gr8: What is your threat scenario? |
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| 13:42.34 | petn-randall | gr8: If you're worried your laptop might get stolen, encrypt the HDD with LUKS. If you're running services that might get compromised, look into selinux/apparmor. |
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| 13:42.45 | Extensa5630G | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:43.28 | abrotman | how did you install it? |
| 13:43.43 | petn-randall | Extensa5630G: 'which <yourcommand>' will tell you where it finds it in your path. |
| 13:44.30 | gr8 | petn-randall: I'm using HDD encryption already. my threat scenario is unspecific, I just want a secure-enough system |
| 13:44.34 | Extensa5630G | abrotman: i downloaded the viewer and server packages in the form of .deb files and dpkf -i'ed them |
| 13:44.48 | Extensa5630G | petn-randall: umm..seems about right |
| 13:45.19 | Extensa5630G | petn-randall: "vncserver: couldn't find "Xvnc" on your PATH." |
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| 13:48.22 | petn-randall | gr8: Your system is secure enough then. |
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| 13:49.46 | jelly | petn-randall: that's an exactly unspecific-enough answer |
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| 13:50.51 | ziro` | hi. I’m trying to use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:51.15 | ziro` | I have my source in my root, but i want the final installed files to live in /var/www/mypackagename |
| 13:51.28 | ziro` | how do i achieve this with this tool? |
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| 13:52.29 | themill | ziro`: it's not dpkg-buildpackage that is doing this, it's whatever you've put in debian/rules |
| 13:52.49 | gr8 | petn-randall: really, what should I say? I don't even know how to exactly define the term "threat" |
| 13:53.33 | ziro` | themill: sure, thanks for pointing me to the file, do you know what directive i should be looking for? |
| 13:53.49 | themill | ziro`: that depends on what you've got there currently |
| 13:54.00 | ziro` | generated by dh_make |
| 13:54.05 | SanchoPensa | yo! |
| 13:54.20 | petn-randall | gr8: How can you prepare for it then? Or estimate how likely that threat is, and how much inconvenience is worth the added safety? |
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| 13:55.17 | themill | ziro`: perhaps you could pastebin it |
| 13:55.40 | SanchoPensa | when i rightclick somewhere like the desktop or a folder, i would not only like to be able to create a text document, but how about libre text? so there is a greyed out field that says "no templates installed". how would i do that, and what templates are there? |
| 13:55.53 | ziro` | themill: http://pastebin.com/v8hyqqP7 |
| 13:56.38 | ziro` | basically i have a webapp, i’m trying to make a deb package to deploy it, but the files need to go in /var/www/packagename |
| 13:56.54 | gr8 | petn-randall: maybe it's because I come from the windows world; there for example you need to install an antivirus monitor regardless of some "threat scenario". it's just a general security measure. |
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| 13:57.40 | ChrisH | gr8: Do not use root for every-day work. Keep good and tested backups. |
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| 13:58.17 | gr8 | sure. |
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| 13:59.44 | themill | ziro`: so the upstream build system and the debian/install file will control that |
| 13:59.59 | ziro` | ok cool i’ll look at install |
| 14:00.04 | ziro` | thank you themill |
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| 14:01.02 | petn-randall | gr8: Viruses are a very specific threat. |
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| 14:17.03 | calder4 | Hi folks |
| 14:17.26 | calder4 | I wanna pass the Qualys' SSL Test |
| 14:17.29 | calder4 | I have Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) and my ssl config is: |
| 14:17.41 | calder4 | SSLProtocol -ALL +SSLv3 +TLSv1 -SSLv2 |
| 14:17.42 | calder4 | SSLHonorCipherOrder On |
| 14:17.59 | calder4 | SSLCipherSuite ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256:AES128-GCM-SHA256:RC4:HIGH:!MD5:!aNULL:!EDH |
| 14:18.16 | calder4 | However, the config above does not work |
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| 14:18.35 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 14:18.36 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 14:19.13 | calder4 | The test result says: |
| 14:19.14 | calder4 | This server supports SSL 2, which is obsolete and insecure. Grade set to F. |
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| 14:20.11 | petn-randall | calder4: Can you paste us the whole config to http://paste.debian.net? |
| 14:21.22 | calder4 | petn-randall: Yes sir |
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| 14:22.41 | calder4 | petn-randall: mod_ssl config: http://paste.debian.net/104460/ |
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| 14:23.49 | peetaur2 | calder4: mine has: SSLProtocol all -SSLv2 and it passes that part of the test (fails due to self signed, but we don't use external SSL :P) |
| 14:24.22 | pmade | I'm using apt-get --print-uris to sneakernet some deb files to a new laptop without a working network. But --print-uris only gives me the URLs for the requested packages and not their full dependencies (probably because on this machine the dependencies are already installed.) Is there a way to get that info? |
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| 14:24.25 | peetaur2 | " If trust issues are ignored: A- " |
| 14:24.48 | themill | dpkg: tell pmade about apt-offline |
| 14:25.20 | peetaur2 | calder4: mine is ubuntu 12.04 though |
| 14:26.06 | petn-randall | calder4: If you're using mod-gnutls, this won't have any effect. Can you check if you're using mod_ssl or mod_gnutls? |
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| 14:27.16 | pmade | themill: thanks. I've tried apt-zip but it has to be installed on the non-networked computer. I'm looking at apt-walkabout now. |
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| 14:29.39 | calder4 | petn-randall: I think I'm running mod_ssl: http://paste.debian.net/104462/ |
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| 14:31.38 | nodiscc | hi all, does anyone get this message when running sudo? |
| 14:31.40 | nodiscc | no talloc stackframe at ../source3/param/loadparm.c:4864, leaking memory |
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| 14:32.43 | mjt | nodiscc: will it help you if someone replies with "yes me too" ? |
| 14:32.45 | nodiscc | i've looked it up but searches return nothing relevant. Where's that message from? Is it serious? |
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| 14:32.59 | nodiscc | mjt: slow typer, sorry :) |
| 14:33.25 | calder4 | petn-randall: I already changed de configuration for SSLProtocol all -SSLv2. But the result is the same |
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| 14:34.10 | petn-randall | calder4: Did you reload apache2 after setting it? |
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| 14:34.40 | calder4 | petn-randall: I did |
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| 14:35.40 | petn-randall | calder4: Maybe it's worth asking in #apache. |
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| 14:38.59 | calder4 | petn-randall: Thank you |
| 14:39.08 | themill | (#httpd btw) |
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| 14:42.04 | petn-randall | calder4: Right, what themill said, #httpd. |
| 14:42.22 | petn-randall | apache being the umbrella organisation. |
| 14:42.40 | srged | guys. how do I mount the other half of my hdd ? |
| 14:43.13 | zh1 | a debian server in bare minimum install takes less space than centos? |
| 14:43.23 | zh1 | in same conditions |
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| 14:43.32 | ChrisH | srged: the same way you did the first half. |
| 14:43.39 | petn-randall | zh1: Maybe? How much does CentOs take? |
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| 14:44.29 | srged | ChrisH: when I've installed debian I partitioned my hdd in two. and when it boots up I can only see the system partition mounted... |
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| 14:45.18 | ChrisH | srged: please show blkid ; df -h ; cat /etc/fstab in one post on paste.debian.net and put the commands before the output. |
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| 14:46.39 | tugrik | nodiscc: is that error whenever you run sudo, followed by any command? |
| 14:47.07 | srged | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 14:48.04 | nodiscc | tugrik: yes. It's just a warning, command is still executed. |
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| 14:48.57 | nodiscc | any command. I just get the warning the first time I run sudo (if I re-run it during the 3 minutes timeout I don't get the message) |
| 14:48.59 | calder4 | petn-randall: Heheheheheheh |
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| 14:49.43 | tugrik | nodiscc: I'd suggest finding out what loadparm.c is part of and using a more general search, but apart from that... no obvious clues, sorry |
| 14:50.17 | nodiscc | http://www.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=1UZG1f6u |
| 14:50.22 | srged | /set bell_beeps ON |
| 14:50.47 | nodiscc | tugrik: no problem, thanks. I get this on several machines (i386 only) |
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| 14:51.19 | tugrik | nodiscc: surprised you can't find others with the same problem if you've seen t more than once |
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| 14:52.13 | ChrisH | srged: there was no correct URL visible |
| 14:52.35 | srged | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 14:52.40 | petn-randall | nodiscc: Is this a Debian installation? |
| 14:52.58 | nodiscc | petn-randall: sure. |
| 14:53.05 | ChrisH | srged: no. there must be something beyond the .net/ |
| 14:53.12 | srged | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/104472 |
| 14:53.15 | nodiscc | As far as I can remember I had that message on an asus eeepc, samsung q35... |
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| 14:53.43 | nodiscc | and another laptop I think. Not doing a lot of installs on 32 bit cpus these days. |
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| 14:54.12 | nodiscc | never had that message on an amd64 system, but maybe it's pure luck. |
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| 14:55.06 | ChrisH | srged: lines 5 and 6 there are two partions. one for ext4 and one for swap. cat /proc/swaps will show swap is active. does this answers your questions? |
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| 14:55.18 | nodiscc | no talloc stackframe at ../source3/param/loadparm.c:4864, leaking memory |
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| 14:56.29 | srged | ChrisH: my hdd is 120gb. I did one partition of 70, the main system one. one swap for 5gb and the rest of 45gb... io want to mount that 45gb one |
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| 14:57.01 | ChrisH | srged: then add fdisk -l to your paste |
| 14:57.03 | srged | ChrisH: I think its the sda5 |
| 14:57.05 | nodiscc | i've checked the sudo binary md5sum against the ones in Debian repos and they match |
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| 14:57.34 | srged | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/104477/ |
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| 14:59.09 | ChrisH | srged: sda5 does not show up. What did you configure during installation for sda5? |
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| 14:59.47 | srged | ChrisH: to be honest I dont know what I configured its my first install |
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| 15:00.08 | srged | could it be that the rest of the pace remained unpartitionaed? |
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| 15:01.19 | ChrisH | srged: OK. as root try: mkdir /mnt ; mount /dev/sda5 /mnt ;# I expect this to fail. check dmesg about the complains. should be something like no superblock |
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| 15:02.33 | srged | ChrisH: root@linux:/home/user# mount /dev/sda5 /mnt |
| 15:02.33 | srged | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 15:05.23 | erle- | how can i switch from runlevel 5 to runlevel 3? |
| 15:05.30 | erle- | "init 3" does nothing |
| 15:05.55 | pfote | telinit |
| 15:06.25 | ChrisH | srged: have you checked dmesg output as I asked for? |
| 15:06.51 | erle- | pfote, did also not work |
| 15:06.56 | erle- | pfote, bit init 1 worked |
| 15:06.58 | erle- | dunno why |
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| 15:08.11 | srged | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/104479/ |
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| 15:11.20 | ChrisH | srged: last 2 lines are the expected stuff. side remark: your CPU is getting too hot (lines 922-926) |
| 15:12.17 | ChrisH | srged: IF you are sure, there is no valid or needed data on this disk we can proceed with creating a filesystem and mount it somewhere. a) are you sure there is no data on? b) where to mount it then? |
| 15:12.19 | srged | ChrisH: strange, my htop shows very little usage of cpu |
| 15:13.21 | srged | ChrisH: Im sure about a).. as about b... we mount it on mnt ? |
| 15:13.44 | petern_ | Low CPU usage doesn't mean the CPU can't overheat. |
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| 15:14.49 | srged | whats wrong with the overheat ? |
| 15:15.17 | ChrisH | srged: /mnt is only for temporay test mount. So having an idea what you want to use the diskspace for would be a good idea |
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| 15:16.08 | SynrG | If the air isn't circulating, overheat can happen easily, even with low cpu usage |
| 15:17.34 | srged | ChrisH: I'll store music videos and pictures in it. |
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| 15:18.32 | SynrG | Blast compressed air in there |
| 15:18.34 | srged | SynrG: yes that is the problem. I keep the laptop on the bed and i guess air isnt curculating well enough. but then again I use it like this for 6 yrs already and still works :P |
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| 15:19.29 | ChrisH | srged: Ok. they _I_ would mount it either to [/export]/data/ (if its planned to be for all users) or into my $HOME/data/ if its for only one user. |
| 15:20.18 | srged | export data then :) |
| 15:20.39 | SynrG | 6 years of dust accumulation |
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| 15:21.17 | srged | SynrG: dut acumulation could be yet another reason for overheating... |
| 15:21.37 | ChrisH | As you are sure there is no valid data on: mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda5 && mkdir -p /export/data |
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| 15:22.31 | ChrisH | echo "/dev/sda5 /export/data ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 2 " >> /etc/fstab && mount /export/data |
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| 15:22.41 | ChrisH | srged: that should do the job for you |
| 15:23.43 | srged | ChrisH: so I first run: mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda5 && mkdir -p /export/data |
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| 15:24.10 | srged | its done |
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| 15:24.29 | srged | now about your second line... what exactly should I run ? |
| 15:25.09 | ChrisH | srged: all. it will add a line to /etc/fstab and mount the partions afterwards |
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| 15:26.08 | srged | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/104484/ |
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| 15:26.55 | ChrisH | srged: OK. df -h should now show it |
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| 15:27.36 | srged | yup... /dev/sda5 42G 176M 39G 1% /export/data |
| 15:28.14 | ChrisH | to make it writable for your user one more step is needed. chown youruser:yourgroup /export/data |
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| 15:29.11 | srged | ChrisH: my user is named "user" so how would be the exact command ? |
| 15:30.58 | ChrisH | chown user /export/data |
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| 15:31.46 | srged | ChrisH: DONE |
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| 15:33.42 | srged | ChrisH: I dont see it in the file manager though |
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| 15:34.03 | ChrisH | srged: now you should be able to fill it... F5 or restart it. |
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| 15:35.11 | srged | ChrisH: ok ill reboot and get back to report |
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| 15:35.37 | ChrisH | its reboot safe |
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| 15:37.08 | srged | ChrisH: I dont see it in file manager still |
| 15:37.28 | txomon|fon | Jun 11 17:35:57 computer kernel: [99320.518580] gc-watchdog[30519] trap int3 ip:7f773559f491 sp:7f7711bfa690 error:0 -> x-session-manager[4457]: WARNING: Application 'gnome-shell.desktop' killed by signal 5 |
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| 15:38.54 | ChrisH | srged: I only use nautilus sometimes, someone else need to jump in here. What Desktop and what filemanager? |
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| 15:40.02 | srged | ChrisH: I also have Nautilius |
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| 15:41.33 | thomaschaaf | I have the problem that even though /etc/network/interfaces says eth0 dhcp that the dhclient is not called on a freshly installed system. It used to "just work" after a fresh installation. But even dhclient seems to be missing. Was there anything changed on wheezy? Do I have to install isc-dhcp-client manuallly now? |
| 15:41.36 | srged | ChrisH: say I want to move a pic to the new partition. how do I fnd it i cant see it not even with nautilius |
| 15:42.23 | ChrisH | srged: press STRG-L and enter /data/export |
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| 15:44.09 | srged | ChrisH: Could not find "/data/export". |
| 15:44.13 | txomon|fon | seems like this is already known https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=703174 |
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| 15:46.40 | LordDeath | I have set smtpd_tls_cert_file and smtpd_tls_key_file in postfix' main.cf to the snakeoil files but I still can't use SSL/TLS for stmp |
| 15:46.44 | srged | ChrisH: maybe it was not auto mounted at boot time? |
| 15:46.49 | LordDeath | only port 25 seems to work in my mail client :( |
| 15:47.05 | ChrisH | srged: check using df -h |
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| 15:48.32 | srged | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/104491/ |
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| 15:49.31 | sandman13 | jelly: you there? |
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| 15:50.09 | jelly | sandman13: for about 5 minutes more, then I'm gone |
| 15:50.38 | Rad-_ | Does anyone know how to install i3 within gnome on debian? |
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| 15:50.52 | jelly | sandman13: ask the whole channel, someone else may know things too |
| 15:50.54 | ChrisH | srged: my fault: STRG-L /export/data |
| 15:51.02 | sandman13 | jelly: how to fix the black background in lock screen, I have no option to use images in screensaver |
| 15:51.12 | sandman13 | I am using KDE 4.8 |
| 15:51.41 | jelly | sandman13: perhaps pick the Slide Show screensaver if you want some images to be shown |
| 15:52.08 | Rad-_ | I /think/ gnome-session exists but it says it doesn't? |
| 15:52.11 | srged | ChrisH: yes works now. btw i see a lost+find file in there, can I wipe it? |
| 15:52.39 | ChrisH | srged: No you cannot. Its part of the filesystem structure |
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| 15:53.21 | srged | too bad I nee to navigate by url and doesnt show in the tree like when I mount removable |
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| 15:53.51 | Rad-_ | I used this: http://blog.hugochinchilla.net/2013/03/using-gnome-3-with-i3-window-manager/ |
| 15:53.52 | ChrisH | add a bookmark/lesezeichen |
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| 15:55.58 | srged | ChrisH: wow! now its just perfect! Thank you very much ChrisH |
| 15:56.30 | srged | gtg. bye and thx again! |
| 15:57.38 | LordDeath | in the master.cf to I have to uncomment the smtpd entries? |
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| 16:01.06 | txomon|fon | ? |
| 16:01.07 | Rad-_ | ah... the solution was buried inside a debian-awesme page: http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Quickly_Setting_up_Awesome_with_Gnome#Debian |
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| 16:24.15 | barx`work | Is there a standard for debian package name ? They look like NAME_VERSION_ARCH.deb but i don't find anything in debian policy manual |
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| 16:33.33 | thomaschaaf | If you add the wheezy-backports source to your preseed it can not install isc-dhcp-client and thus ifupdown is not configured.. I don't think that should happen |
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| 16:57.33 | zykotick9 | txomon|fon: i'm not a chromium user, but i heard they dropped support for mozilla-plugins recently... best of luck. |
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| 17:01.15 | Guest23512 | hi folks, when i have fresh installed debian with no deskenv how can i open or have multiple terminals? through tty's? |
| 17:01.40 | zykotick9 | Guest23512: also investigate, screen or tmux |
| 17:02.27 | Guest23512 | zykotick9: which of these would u prefer? |
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| 17:03.13 | zykotick9 | Guest23512: TBO, i switched to tmux, after years of using screen... it doesn't really matter much, i'd say screen might be a bit easier (but that's relative) |
| 17:03.59 | Guest23512 | i started tmux and now it does nothin |
| 17:05.08 | zykotick9 | Guest23512: read the instructions... <prefix>+- splits screen horizontally (but i'm not sure that's the default) |
| 17:05.56 | Guest23512 | kthu! |
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| 17:07.09 | albru123 | Somebody knows how to install libglade-2.0 on wheezy? |
| 17:07.49 | albru123 | I can't find anything in backports and when I build it from sources it is filling RAM for infinite time. |
| 17:08.02 | centrx | albru123, It must be called something else |
| 17:08.09 | TomyWork | how can i make apt-get more verbose? |
| 17:08.22 | TomyWork | i'm trying to debug a problem, possibly with my apt-cacher |
| 17:08.48 | TomyWork | err my repo |
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| 17:09.10 | centrx | TomyWork, It doesn't seem to have much in the way of verbose or debug options |
| 17:10.05 | albru123 | centrx: Currently installing glade, but it seems like the package isn't here |
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| 17:10.26 | centrx | search for libglade |
| 17:10.36 | TomyWork | I get "Failed to fetch http://my.repo.host/path/to/repo/pool/mypackage-<versionstuff>.deb Size mismatch" |
| 17:11.07 | TomyWork | consistently |
| 17:11.42 | centrx | TomyWork, Does the deb file size match the size specified in the Packages file? |
| 17:12.16 | TomyWork | i'll check that, but it does match the size on the server |
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| 17:13.00 | see1 | hello |
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| 17:13.40 | see1 | witch firewall you guys/girls you prefer? i read from ufw ..possible on debian? |
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| 17:14.27 | TomyWork | centrx it's off by 174 bytes |
| 17:14.33 | TomyWork | the heck happened there |
| 17:14.46 | jhutchins | see1: On-device firewalls are a last resort. Everything has to be handled by the kernel anyway, so you're not really protected. |
| 17:14.50 | ksk | see1: as there is an ufw package for debian: yes, possible. |
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| 17:14.59 | jhutchins | see1: What are you trying to protect your system from? |
| 17:15.33 | albru123 | Now it works centrx, thanks :) |
| 17:15.36 | jhutchins | see1: All of the linux "firewall programs" are just tools for setting up iptables. |
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| 17:16.27 | TomyWork | centrx i'm using apt-ftparchive to generate that file |
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| 17:18.22 | centrx | TomyWork, I don't know much about it. You might try #debian-mirrors on OFTC |
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| 17:18.40 | TomyWork | i cant access that from here :/ |
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| 17:18.56 | centrx | Why not |
| 17:19.04 | TomyWork | firewalled |
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| 17:20.30 | centrx | That's an odd thing to firewall but not Freenode |
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| 17:20.52 | TomyWork | being able to connect to freenode is the result of smooth talking :) |
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| 17:21.31 | centrx | TomyWork, Maybe web chat? http://www.oftc.net/WebChat/ |
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| 17:21.37 | centrx | web interface |
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| 17:21.56 | TomyWork | that uses a nonstandard port. those are blocked too :/ |
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| 17:22.31 | TomyWork | cant even connect to https://webirc.oftc.net:8443/ |
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| 17:22.57 | see1 | jhutchins i want to protect a server |
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| 17:27.41 | jhutchins | see1: From what? |
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| 17:29.23 | TomyWork | centrx i'll regenerate the db over night. let's see if that does anything |
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| 17:32.23 | jhutchins | TomyWork: What a lot of us do is run irssi on a home server and access it through ssh. |
| 17:32.42 | jhutchins | TomyWork: Run it in screen or something similar so you can attach to it. |
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| 17:34.28 | TomyWork | jhutchins i cant even access github's ssh, let alone my own :) |
| 17:34.50 | jhutchins | TomyWork: you can run ssh on any port. |
| 17:35.00 | jhutchins | 80, 443... |
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| 17:35.47 | TomyWork | that's true, but that would put me in active violation of our data protection guidelines and they *will* notice |
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| 17:39.28 | TomyWork | gotta run to the store before it closes :) |
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| 17:55.45 | shay_shay | Hai |
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| 18:20.03 | albru123 | Hi again, I'm trying to make debootstrap and chroot, but this happens when I run debootstrap: http://pastie.org/9280863 |
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| 18:21.14 | gomex | Hi guys, I installed a KDE here, but I can't write in usb flash stick using dolphim |
| 18:21.18 | gomex | dolphin |
| 18:21.27 | gomex | I can copy using terminal |
| 18:22.23 | gomex | terminal with root |
| 18:23.08 | sandman13 | wonders if gomex can mount disks or not via dolphin |
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| 18:27.59 | gomex | sandman13, dolphin mount ok, but I Can't write then |
| 18:28.29 | sandman13 | gomex: any errors? |
| 18:29.33 | gomex | sandman13, the write options is in grey :( |
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| 18:31.11 | pakaran | HI, I'm getting: W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/http.debian.net_debian_dists_jessie_main_source_Sources: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 18:31.46 | pakaran | and the same for about 8 other entries (including sid and jessie). just blow away /var/lib/apt/lists and sync again? |
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| 18:33.35 | see1 | jhutchins spaming ips |
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| 18:40.36 | mns | how can I tell what is running on a particular port ? I want to know what is listening on port 12000 ? |
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| 18:40.53 | jami | hi dudes and dudettes. I'm searching for an ftp spooler like ncftpspooler which is capable to connect and ftp, sftp. Any suggestions? |
| 18:40.56 | OpenTokix | mns: ss -l |
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| 18:41.09 | OpenTokix | mns: netstat -anp |
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| 18:42.22 | Mousey | mns: netstat -planut | grep 12000 |
| 18:42.52 | Mousey | ooh, i keep forgetting about ss |
| 18:43.13 | OpenTokix | Mousey: ss is the won |
| 18:43.20 | dondelelcaro | jami: lftp can do queueing, which might be what you want |
| 18:43.21 | OpenTokix | Mousey: ss -lu =) |
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| 18:43.39 | Mousey | ss -lp! |
| 18:44.05 | OpenTokix | =) =) |
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| 18:44.40 | jami | mns sudo nmap -sV -p 12000 127.0.0.1 |
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| 18:44.56 | OpenTokix | Mousey: I use ss for everything, since netstat is very slow when you have maybe 90-100k in time_wait =) |
| 18:45.01 | jami | dondelelcaro: i will look at it. thx |
| 18:45.44 | marcham93 | Hi everyone. Trying to get a collection of commands to run at startup, but putting them in .bashrc doesn't seem to work. Any help would be appreciated. |
| 18:45.52 | mns | OpenTokix, Mousey: thanks. that worked. |
| 18:46.10 | OpenTokix | marcham93: /etc/rc.local |
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| 18:46.51 | marcham93 | OpenTokix, so the file I was using was not correct? Alright, I'll try that. Thanks. |
| 18:47.01 | OpenTokix | marcham93: no, .bashrc is for your user |
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| 18:47.08 | OpenTokix | marcham93: running when you login |
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| 18:49.00 | marcham93 | OpenTokix, looking at that location... I had already put my commands in there and it didn't work. Can I share a pastebin link? My commands work otherwise, but not inside this file. |
| 18:49.01 | jami | isn't update-rc.d the better way to but scripts global on startup? |
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| 18:49.30 | OpenTokix | marcham93: put the file in pastebin |
| 18:49.36 | OpenTokix | jami: then he has to write a compatible script |
| 18:49.52 | jami | yeah this is of course rocket science ;) |
| 18:50.30 | marcham93 | OpenTokix, here it is: http://pastebin.com/j1CJQ7Kc |
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| 18:51.00 | OpenTokix | marcham93: that should be run in .xsession in your homedirectory |
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| 18:51.56 | marcham93 | OpenTokix, is it because it has to execute after X is up? |
| 18:52.02 | marcham93 | Does the other file run before? |
| 18:52.03 | OpenTokix | marcham93: yes |
| 18:52.09 | marcham93 | cool, I'll try that. |
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| 18:52.16 | beepie | hi |
| 18:52.24 | Sec | Go on |
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| 18:53.12 | beepie | anyone using an nslu2? i could get upslug to upload firmware, but after connecting the wheezy-ready drive, i get not dhcp thereafter ( following http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/unpack/ ) |
| 18:54.05 | Guest23512 | is it anyways possible to make a running live version persistent? |
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| 18:55.19 | Sec | Guest23512: use unetbootin, select persistence |
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| 18:55.48 | marcham93 | OpenTokix, if I have no xsession file, do I create it? Even showing hidden files doesn't reveal it. |
| 18:55.56 | OpenTokix | marcham93: create it |
| 18:55.57 | jhutchins | !live |
| 18:55.58 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
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| 18:57.31 | Guest23512 | jhutchins applause |
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| 19:00.13 | waynr | howdy folks |
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| 19:00.43 | waynr | i am trying to install a specific version of a program using 'apt-get -r install <name>=<version>' |
| 19:00.56 | waynr | but running apt-get in this way doesn't seem to handle dependency resolution very well |
| 19:01.01 | waynr | (read: at all) |
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| 19:03.03 | waynr | for example suppose I want to install puppet version 3.6.1 rather than the latest version 3.6.2 (from apt.puppetlabs.com) the command should be 'apt-get -y install puppet=3.6.1-1puppetlabs1' |
| 19:03.24 | waynr | but I get an error indicating that the version of puppet-common to be installed is '3.6.2-1puppetlabs1' |
| 19:04.09 | waynr | yet puppet 3.6.1-1puppetlabs1 explicitly depends on puppet-common 3.6.1-1puppetlabs1 |
| 19:05.04 | waynr | package info is available here: http://apt.puppetlabs.com/dists/wheezy/main/binary-all/Packages |
| 19:05.33 | waynr | thanks in advance, I appreciate any help y'all can offer! |
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| 19:07.29 | waynr | currently looking up bug reports on apt to see if anyone has experienced similar difficulties |
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| 19:08.17 | jmcnaught | waynr: there was some discussion about the puppet labs apt repository in here last night. APT was designed to have one version per package in the repository, so the way puppet labs is doing it is wrong. You might be able to use pinning or apt-hold to get this to work, but the problem is with the puppet repo not with apt |
| 19:08.46 | waynr | dang, i was afraid of that |
| 19:09.42 | waynr | what is the recommended repository structure for making multiple versions of a package available? |
| 19:09.56 | waynr | jmcnaught ^ |
| 19:10.29 | jmcnaught | waynr: a separate repository for each branch of the software. |
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| 19:11.31 | waynr | huh, i thought i've seen multiple versions of a package available from a single repo in the past |
| 19:12.01 | jmcnaught | not in debian repositories, but third-parties don't necessary do things the right way |
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| 19:12.17 | jmcnaught | and it leads to issues such as the one you're dealing with |
| 19:12.18 | Lope | cat /proc/cpuinfo reports a number of 6359 when the actual CPU speed is 4.38Ghz (1400FSB, 350mhz host clock x 12.5) |
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| 19:14.17 | zykotick9 | Lope: are you looking at the "cpu MHz" line, or bogomips perhaps? |
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| 19:14.27 | jmcnaught | waynr: i'm not a puppet user, but maybe puppet labs has some special instructions on using their broken repo? |
| 19:14.56 | Lope | cpu MHz |
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| 19:16.52 | waynr | jmcnaught: I'm looking into it now |
| 19:17.20 | waynr | jmcnaught: thanks for the help :) |
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| 19:25.34 | zh1 | how can permanently disable eth0 and eth1 on debian? |
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| 19:26.24 | jaakkos | zh1: what do you want to do? disable networking on the host entirely? disable the specific interfaces? stop the OS from choosing eth0 and eth1 as names for interfaces? |
| 19:26.26 | OpenTokix | zh1: what are you trying to acconplish? |
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| 19:29.42 | ompaul | zh1: you can remove them from /etc/network/interfaces or you can delete it from here /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules anyone with root access stands a chance of reinstalling it |
| 19:30.01 | ompaul | zh1: my stupid question is why |
| 19:30.15 | ompaul | zh1: because I think you may have the wrong end of some stick |
| 19:30.20 | jaakkos | ompaul: that will not stop eth0 and eth1 from appearing. |
| 19:30.24 | ch077179 | Hi, I've installed flashplugin-nonfree with apt-get according to https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer. Yet chromium complains about a missing flash plugin |
| 19:30.34 | ompaul | jaakkos: in the udev it will |
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| 19:30.50 | ompaul | ifconfig -a has lots of power |
| 19:31.10 | ch077179 | It flash doesn't show up on the plugins page of chromium |
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| 19:31.21 | ch077179 | which I think it should? |
| 19:31.50 | ch077179 | any suggestions? |
| 19:32.05 | Yoshi1 | anyone else here use grooveshark? |
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| 19:32.24 | Yoshi1 | if sao i am wondering why it just decided to stop letting me log in while using iceweasel |
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| 19:35.16 | zh1 | ompaul i dont need them |
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| 19:36.28 | ompaul | zh1: then the second thing will stop them from appearing |
| 19:36.46 | zh1 | ompaul i just use wireless and each time i reboot the eth0 gets on even if i disable it |
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| 19:37.15 | jmcnaught | ch077179: the pepperflashplugin-nonfree package might be what you're looking for. Or just use Iceweasel |
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| 19:37.28 | zh1 | ompaul what i need is just the wireless on without it conflicting with eth0 |
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| 19:38.52 | jaakkos | ompaul: want to bet on this? :) |
| 19:39.10 | jaakkos | zh1: if you want to get rid of the interfaces, blacklist the driver. |
| 19:39.12 | zh1 | ompaul on /etc/network/interfaces i dont see nothing from the eth0 just auto lo and iface lo inet loopback |
| 19:39.32 | zh1 | jaakkos how do i do it? |
| 19:39.41 | jaakkos | zh1: https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 19:40.02 | ch077179 | jmcnaught, thanks. curiously it works in iceweasel... |
| 19:40.18 | zh1 | jaakkos, i guess what i just really need is it disabled when pc restarts is that the same as blacklisting it? |
| 19:40.41 | jaakkos | zh1: you want to prevent the kernel from loading the driver when it detects the device. |
| 19:40.54 | jaakkos | zh1: i'm guessing your interfaces are PCI devices. to detect the driver they are using, run 'lspci -k' |
| 19:41.03 | jaakkos | zh1: then blacklist that/those. |
| 19:41.08 | zh1 | jaakkos, if i disable device now when i restart it gets on again should it do that? |
| 19:41.19 | jaakkos | zh1: how do you disable it? |
| 19:41.27 | zh1 | on network manager |
| 19:41.33 | zh1 | only |
| 19:41.34 | jaakkos | network-manager will not remove the interfaces |
| 19:41.45 | zh1 | ok, so im doing it wrong |
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| 19:42.08 | zh1 | a permanent disable is blacklisting? or are there simpler ways? |
| 19:43.05 | zh1 | and yes it is a pci wireless card |
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| 19:43.51 | jaakkos | zh1: i though you want to use the wireless. |
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| 19:44.02 | jaakkos | zh1: if you only want to stop network-manager from managing the interfaces, see https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#Wired_Networks_are_Unmanaged |
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| 19:45.23 | jaakkos | zh1: you might want to use "iface eth0 inet manual" instead of "dhcp" though, or you might be disappointed again :) |
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| 19:51.03 | marcham93 | Hello again. Tried creating a .xsession file with my "startup commands" but then my login stopped working. Had to drop to console to delete the file and reboot. Any ideas? |
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| 19:52.17 | jhutchins | marcham93: How are you getting into X? |
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| 19:52.55 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: i'm wonderin why you're asking. doesn't .xsession work with both startx and DMs? |
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| 19:53.12 | sparky4 | I am using Debian Testing and evolution is not working |
| 19:53.33 | jiohdi | that is what all the creationists say |
| 19:53.43 | marcham93 | jhutchins, sorry can you clarify? Bit new to linux. |
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| 19:54.14 | marcham93 | I have a few shell commands at want executed at login. Has to happen after xserver starts, so I was told to add it to .xsession. |
| 19:54.26 | jmcnaught | sparky4: #debian-next on irc.debian.org for problems with jessie |
| 19:54.54 | sparky4 | jmcnaught: chaqnnel is invite only |
| 19:55.15 | zykotick9 | marcham93: ahhh, perhaps those shell commands need a shell to run in? also, when you tried .xsession did you end each line you added with & |
| 19:55.34 | jmcnaught | sparky4: it's on a different network, irc.debian.org |
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| 19:56.23 | zh1 | <jaakkos> but "iface eth0 inet manual" it will put manual on wireless card too no? |
| 19:56.23 | Yoshi1 | how do i set my ntp timezome to be EST? |
| 19:56.24 | marcham93 | zykotick9, No, I had not. Bit new to linux, so wasn't aware. So let's say I have four shell commands I want run. Just create the xsession file and add each with a "&" at end? |
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| 19:57.08 | marcham93 | zykotick9, this is what I want to run -> http://pastebin.com/JjCP4dMJ |
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| 19:57.13 | jiohdi | marcham93 which desktop manager are you using |
| 19:57.47 | zykotick9 | marcham93: TBO, i think you'll probably need to start a shell, like "xterm -e foo" type thing - but perhaps not? sorry i don't go to pastebin.com, consider paste.debian.net in future. |
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| 19:59.27 | marcham93 | Jikan, gnome3. |
| 19:59.29 | jiohdi | marcham93 depending on the DM, you can make a single start.sh file to be executed on start up |
| 19:59.36 | marcham93 | whoops. jiohdi , gnome3. |
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| 19:59.54 | marcham93 | zykotick9, out of curiosity... why? |
| 20:00.03 | zykotick9 | !tell marcham93 about pastebin.com |
| 20:00.45 | jiohdi | make exactly what you have on pastebin with the addition of #!/bin/bash as the very top line save it as start.sh find your startup programs options and chose it |
| 20:01.07 | Yoshi1 | my system doesnt seem to think it is in EST |
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| 20:01.19 | jiohdi | before rebooting, go into a file manager open properties and click on the executable option |
| 20:01.24 | marcham93 | zykotick9, very nice. lol. |
| 20:01.40 | zykotick9 | !tell Yoshi1 about timezone |
| 20:01.42 | jiohdi | on that file |
| 20:02.11 | jiohdi | each line will run like a seperately entered command line |
| 20:02.29 | marcham93 | jiohdi, okay, so add the "&" to the end of each line also? I heard there was a startup file to add it to, but it wasn't working because I need it after xserv starts? |
| 20:03.12 | jiohdi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:03.25 | marcham93 | ok |
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| 20:03.29 | zykotick9 | marcham93: the & is required for .xsession, i doubt it'd be required in a regular script |
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| 20:03.47 | marcham93 | For the record, I'm setting up this: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint#Configuration_using_xinput |
| 20:03.58 | marcham93 | It suggests "However, you can add the lines e.g. in your .xsessionrc (depends on your distribution) so they are executed every time X starts. " |
| 20:04.08 | jiohdi | usually you have to add & or & disown when its a program that continues after the terminal exits not a command like yours |
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| 20:04.59 | marcham93 | Okay, I understand. Cool. So I should go the root of creating my own and not using .xsessionrc? |
| 20:05.22 | jiohdi | there are other ways, so you can do it that way too |
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| 20:05.30 | jiohdi | but if it does not work, try another |
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| 20:05.56 | marcham93 | Since it says depending on your distro, does debian have .xsessionrc? |
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| 20:06.08 | jiohdi | sometimes people make changes and instructions no longer work like they used to |
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| 20:06.19 | Yoshi1 | zykotick9: what time do you have for EST? because my clock now reads 8:06 which i know it is not |
| 20:06.43 | Yoshi1 | zykotick9: after running the dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 20:07.03 | zykotick9 | Yoshi1: it's 16:06 or 4:06 in EST for me... |
| 20:07.22 | Yoshi1 | yeah well now mine reads 4 hours faster then that |
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| 20:07.28 | Yoshi1 | and i set it to EST |
| 20:07.42 | Yoshi1 | using tzdata |
| 20:09.30 | Yoshi1 | ok i think i got it |
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| 20:09.47 | Yoshi1 | i had to set the widget to automatically get the time from pool.ntp.org and then run tzdata |
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| 20:10.06 | temhaa | hi |
| 20:10.11 | temhaa | I asked about lxc |
| 20:10.22 | temhaa | *I want ask about lxc |
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| 20:11.34 | jmcnaught | temhaa: you hearby have my official permission to ask. |
| 20:12.53 | temhaa | default root password of lxc is "root". But when I created lxc container how to change root password outside lxc container |
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| 20:16.08 | jmcnaught | temhaa: i usually just change it inside the container, but maybe it can be done by looking at the template in /usr/share/lxc/templates (which is just a script) |
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| 20:18.29 | marcham93 | Woot! It works! Thanks guys. :) |
| 20:18.38 | jiohdi | kewl |
| 20:18.39 | GuestUser123 | woooooooot |
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| 20:18.50 | marcham93 | totally kewl! |
| 20:18.50 | jiohdi | whch way worked? |
| 20:18.56 | GuestUser123 | best new thing in debian |
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| 20:19.10 | GuestUser123 | refindstaller |
| 20:19.12 | marcham93 | I created an .xsessionrc file in home. |
| 20:19.22 | marcham93 | Didn't need "&", as you said. |
| 20:19.28 | jiohdi | good |
| 20:19.32 | f-a | am I being trolled by irssi or debian-next points here? |
| 20:19.34 | jmcnaught | temhaa: yes... you can set a different default password in the template. What I've done on Wheezy is made a copy of the /usr/share/lxc/templates/lxc-debian template which I've modified. There's a line in the template script that uses the "chpasswd" command (it's the only mention of this word so you can search it) |
| 20:19.55 | jmcnaught | f-a: #debian-next is on irc.debian.org not on freenode |
| 20:20.02 | f-a | thanks jmcnaught |
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| 20:20.33 | Yoshi1 | refinstaller? |
| 20:20.34 | temhaa | jmcnaught, I wrote script for create lxc container and configuring network but I want change default root password |
| 20:20.49 | temhaa | jmcnaught, I checking template script |
| 20:21.02 | GuestUser123 | google debian efi install |
| 20:21.10 | jmcnaught | temhaa: the line that uses "chpasswd" in the template script is also how you would do it from the CLI |
| 20:21.21 | GuestUser123 | or debian install efi |
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| 20:21.56 | temhaa | jmcnaught, chpasswd - update passwords in batch mode |
| 20:22.05 | temhaa | jmcnaught, I guess I can do :) |
| 20:22.23 | jiohdi | anyone else try debian no-root on android? |
| 20:22.36 | temhaa | jmcnaught, I heard new |
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| 20:22.45 | temhaa | jmcnaught, this command |
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| 20:22.53 | GuestUser123 | no but my app works on android |
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| 20:23.01 | GuestUser123 | and ios |
| 20:23.07 | rerer | hi world i have a question about wheezy and boinc-client on 64 arch |
| 20:23.18 | rerer | seems to have unresolved dependencies |
| 20:23.27 | GuestUser123 | im chating from it on iphone now kekekeke |
| 20:23.30 | jhutchins | !efi |
| 20:23.30 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 20:23.55 | rerer | http://fpaste.org/109076/14025182/ <-- ho to solve this ? |
| 20:23.58 | rerer | how |
| 20:24.01 | GuestUser123 | what is secure boot hype |
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| 20:24.30 | petn-randall | !tell rerer -about bat |
| 20:24.45 | GuestUser123 | press 1 |
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| 20:24.56 | malmelmil | Hello, quick question, please. Is there any debian stable alternative to Gloobus-preview? this is a "Quicklook" (mac) like, fast preview for images ? thank you |
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| 20:25.00 | jhutchins | rerer: Summarize your problem so that people know whether to bother with the link. |
| 20:25.12 | aguitel | rerer: enable multiarquitectura |
| 20:25.16 | GuestUser123 | sum time u need 32 libs |
| 20:25.24 | GuestUser123 | like for steam |
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| 20:26.02 | GuestUser123 | gaize wana try my irc app? |
| 20:26.06 | rerer | ya but how to run this in the fastest way ? if you know the answer |
| 20:26.13 | jmcnaught | temhaa: another LXC on Wheezy hint that I picked up is using a file like /etc/lxc/default.conf with the network config.. then i use "lxc-create -n foo -t debian -f /etc/lxc/default.conf" to get consistent network options on all containers (instead of modifying the container's config after creation) |
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| 20:26.51 | rerer | ok is ok now |
| 20:26.54 | rerer | sorry ) |
| 20:27.02 | petn-randall | GuestUser123: Do you have a Debian support question? |
| 20:27.03 | rerer | thanks |
| 20:27.04 | rerer | all |
| 20:27.27 | temhaa | jmcnaught, doesnt exist default.conf in /etc/lxc directory |
| 20:27.38 | GuestUser123 | i jus helped sum1 wat r u been doing huh |
| 20:27.48 | jmcnaught | temhaa: create it.. give me a second i'll make a paste of mine |
| 20:28.14 | temhaa | jmcnaught, actually I learning lxc. thanks your help ;) |
| 20:29.07 | GuestUser123 | can we kik dick randal |
| 20:29.43 | GuestUser123 | its not the debian way |
| 20:29.49 | temhaa | jmcnaught, actually my host machine has global ip but containers has local ips. What can I do connection to containers with ssh from outside host machine |
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| 20:30.00 | temhaa | jmcnaught, port forwarding |
| 20:30.04 | temhaa | jmcnaught, ? |
| 20:30.15 | jmcnaught | temhaa: http://paste.debian.net/104532/ this is mine. note that i'm using the virbr0 interface that was already there from libvirt (because for my containers on this computer i only want to be able to access them locally) |
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| 20:31.30 | jmcnaught | temhaa: sounds like you want bridge networking https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections (doing it this way each container gets an IP on the same LAN as the host computer) |
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| 20:33.21 | temhaa | jmcnaught, http://paste.debian.net/104532/ lxc-create commnd auto write to config of container |
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| 20:33.27 | temhaa | jmcnaught, ? |
| 20:33.48 | rerer | petn-randall: jhutchins aguitel > thanks ! |
| 20:33.52 | marcham93 | Favorite Twitter client... Go! |
| 20:33.54 | rerer | nice day/ night |
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| 20:35.38 | jmcnaught | temhaa: that paste is the contents of my /etc/lxc/default.conf. When I use "lxc-create -n foo -t debian -f /etc/lxc/default.conf" it puts the lines from that file into the /var/lib/lxc/foo/config file, instead of having to modify the container's config afterwards. This is sort of analogous to how LXC 1.0 does it |
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| 20:36.16 | temhaa | jmcnaught, I want give static ip from network. for example my virt network 192.168.1.0/24 and give in order of 192.168.1.2,1.3,1.4 |
| 20:36.34 | temhaa | jmcnaught, sorry ok I understood |
| 20:37.17 | jmcnaught | temhaa: you first need to set up a bridge interface, then you would use a file like mine but probably with "lxc.network.link = br0" instead of virbr0 like i use |
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| 20:38.11 | temhaa | jmcnaught, how can I connect with ssh If I using br interface |
| 20:38.15 | zykotick9 | marcham93: don't try to take polls in #d, see "/msg dpkg bad polls" for explanation |
| 20:39.02 | temhaa | jmcnaught, ssh using 22. port but for example I have 4 container. |
| 20:39.40 | temhaa | jmcnaught, I should respectively containers |
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| 20:41.17 | jmcnaught | temhaa: with bridge networking each container would get its own IP on the same network as the host. |
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| 20:41.46 | nagerst | Is there a better free CLI spreadsheet application in debian than SC or Oleo. I find both of those severly lacking. I was even considering running Lotus 1-2-3 in dosbox. |
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| 20:42.50 | daniellefebvre | hey all |
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| 20:43.46 | Brigo | nagerst, libreofice calc? |
| 20:43.57 | daniellefebvre | can someone help me ftp permissions? my users cannot write files they open in /var/www I have spent about 3 hours on google trying various fixes and I am clearly missing something |
| 20:43.59 | Brigo | gnumeric? |
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| 20:44.53 | daniellefebvre | my users are in the group for the files and the files have group write... I have also set up the vsftp.config |
| 20:45.08 | zykotick9 | Brigo: LOcalc, and gnumeric are terminal (CLI)? |
| 20:45.47 | Brigo | ah, sorry. i miss it :) |
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| 20:47.15 | Walex | daniellefebvre: there is a specific setting for VSFTP. |
| 20:47.29 | nagerst | Brigo: No that is GUI speadsheet. |
| 20:47.59 | Brigo | nagerst, i saw :) |
| 20:48.03 | nagerst | ok np |
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| 20:48.16 | temhaa | jmcnaught, I think not clear:( my network config of lxc containers and main machine network http://paste.debian.net/104535/ |
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| 20:49.58 | temhaa | jmcnaught, I can ssh via main machine and container from another containers in same network. But I want connect from outside(outside the host) |
| 20:49.58 | jmcnaught | temhaa: do you also have libvirt? virbr0 is created and managed by libvirt. For what you want, you probably need to create a br0 interface in /etc/network/interfaces. https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections has the information on how to do it |
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| 20:50.07 | temhaa | jmcnaught, yes |
| 20:50.46 | temhaa | jmcnaught, ok changing libvirt to bridge |
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| 20:51.49 | jmcnaught | temhaa: uhmmm... okay? that might work for you but it's not what i suggested. Read the wiki page ^^^ especially the first 3 sections |
| 20:52.06 | daniellefebvre | Walex do you have a link |
| 20:52.40 | daniellefebvre | Walex, root works, but none of the other accounts do |
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| 20:52.57 | daniellefebvre | and I am not going to allow root ftp access to be the norm lol |
| 20:53.57 | Walex | daniellefebvre: 'man vsftpd.conf' works for me. |
| 20:54.10 | daniellefebvre | yeah I've been all over that :) |
| 20:54.24 | Walex | daniellefebvre: and you missed 'write_enable'? |
| 20:54.43 | daniellefebvre | let me double check |
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| 20:55.31 | daniellefebvre | Walex, I have that as YES |
| 20:55.54 | Walex | daniellefebvre: then you have set the ownership and permissions on the relevant directories wrong. |
| 20:56.07 | Walex | daniellefebvre: or you haven't restarted the daemon. |
| 20:56.29 | daniellefebvre | I have read and write execute for group and my users in the group |
| 20:56.32 | Walex | daniellefebvre: use 'strace -e file -p $(pidof vsftpd)' to check what is going on. |
| 20:57.18 | daniellefebvre | I don't have strace |
| 20:57.37 | daniellefebvre | apt-get install strace |
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| 21:02.23 | Walex | daniellefebvre: also check the value of "guest_enable" "virtual_use_local_privs" |
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| 21:04.18 | daniellefebvre | Walex, I have not values for either of those |
| 21:05.03 | Walex | daniellefebvre: the defaults should be fine, unless you are using virtual users. |
| 21:05.21 | daniellefebvre | yes this is a virtual server |
| 21:05.30 | Walex | daniellefebvre: I suggest reading carefully again 'man vsftpd.conf' and doing the 'strace'. |
| 21:05.43 | temhaa | jmcnaught, I couldnt do configuration bridge |
| 21:05.57 | Walex | daniellefebvre: it is not whether the server is virtual but whether the VSFTPD users are "virtual" in the sense used by VSFTPD. |
| 21:05.59 | daniellefebvre | thanks will do... strace is great thanks for that tip! |
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| 21:06.02 | temhaa | jmcnaught, my networking get fail |
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| 21:06.46 | Walex | daniellefebvre: have you actually read the VSFTPD docs? Perhaps they would help in making clear what the options are. |
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| 21:07.04 | daniellefebvre | Walex, read and reading |
| 21:07.06 | daniellefebvre | thanks |
| 21:07.38 | Walex | daniellefebvre: in something like '/usr/share/doc/vsftpd'? Because if you don't know that "virtual users" have a special meaning in VSFTPD you haven't read them. |
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| 21:09.39 | daniellefebvre | Great Walex. Never mind that I have to fly through the docs to fix someone else's mess on a time line... just bash about what I missed. May you need to read the docs on "help". Thank you for the time and the tips. Peace. |
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| 21:35.49 | waynr | jmcnaught: do you have backlog of person yesterday complaining about apt.puppetlabs.com? |
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| 21:40.02 | waynr | i would like to document the problem in puppetlabs' bug tracker |
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| 21:43.45 | julian37 | I'm trying to rebuild a package from debian unstable on ubuntu precise, and I'm getting http://pastebin.com/1zrvyLpC -- what am I missing, is it the "2:" prefix that keeps it from matching the version number? |
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| 21:44.51 | zykotick9 | julian37: #ubuntu is over there -> |
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| 21:48.32 | julian37 | zykotick9: right. |
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| 21:50.58 | Guest59312 | i can i fing save a screenshot |
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| 22:13.03 | Merlin91 | hey can anyone point me to a program that can be used to fix minor errors in a very large binary file that was corrupted during transmission with scp? |
| 22:13.47 | Mousey | that's actually science fiction |
| 22:13.52 | teraflops | heh |
| 22:15.03 | teraflops | compressing and/or tar the file could prevent that issue? |
| 22:15.17 | Merlin91 | it is a compressed tar |
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| 22:15.58 | Radon_3 | Hi fellas, I am just wondering, I have done an installation using only "debian-7.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso" downloaded from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ and with no Internet connection during the installation. what things is my system missing right now? If I use the netinstall will I get a different result? |
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| 22:16.54 | Merlin91 | i have access to both files, it seems that during SCP at some point there was a false positive on a CRC or something to that effect, now I can't untar the file on the destination server |
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| 22:17.26 | teraflops | Radon_3: just do apt-get upgrade and youll see |
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| 22:18.19 | Radon_3 | teraflops: thank you, but I have noticed that since I didn't give debian Internet access during the installation, sources.list might not have the standard lines in it |
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| 22:20.16 | Radon_3 | teraflops: thank you so very much man |
| 22:20.18 | teraflops | Radon_3: http://debian.barrapunto.com/article.pl?sid=13/06/21/1111214 its in spanish but the sources.list are valid if you need |
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| 22:20.36 | Radon_3 | thanks again |
| 22:20.39 | teraflops | yw |
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| 22:23.24 | jaakkos | Merlin91: ssh protects against that sort of modifications. what you are describing is impossible. |
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| 22:23.58 | jaakkos | Merlin91: if you want to understand how, look at MAC computation in Figure 3 at http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_12-4/124_ssh.html |
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| 22:26.25 | zykotick9 | Merlin91: sidenote, this is why, compressing large files isn't always the best idea... best of luck. you might want to look into using wget (over ssh) in future, and perhaps now, as it can resume/redownload broken pieces. |
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| 22:26.57 | zykotick9 | Merlin91: shit, not wget i meant rsync |
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| 22:29.47 | jaakkos | Merlin91: there might be a problem with your filesystem. |
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| 22:30.01 | jaakkos | Merlin91: or perhaps the connection was broken before it was finished? does the file size match? |
| 22:30.28 | zykotick9 | would suggest a md5/sha type check... |
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| 22:34.54 | Evropi | hoho the wireless worked out of the box on my dad's old laptop in crunchbang (which has >9000 proprietary drivers) |
| 22:35.22 | Evropi | I just laugh thinking back on how he connected via ethernet and later usb (cos the ethernet port broke) to the router for all those years |
| 22:35.51 | Evropi | anyway, where can I find the version of debian netinst with non-free drivers? |
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| 22:36.30 | lamrz | hello, is the "magic number" always found on the first line of a hexdump output of a file? |
| 22:38.27 | zykotick9 | !tell Evropi about firmware images |
| 22:38.29 | dondelelcaro | lamrz: no, but it's typically there |
| 22:38.37 | boycottg00gle | lamrz: see also man file |
| 22:38.50 | dondelelcaro | lamrz: but you really should be using file or libmagic to do that for you |
| 22:39.00 | Evropi | cheers, I couldn't find it on the net anywhere |
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| 22:40.22 | lamrz | dondelelcaro, I am not that advanced in this. I just want to find the right files among a large number of files in a folder |
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| 22:41.34 | boycottg00gle | lamrz: try "file *" |
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| 22:42.56 | lamrz | not like that |
| 22:43.08 | lamrz | more complicated |
| 22:43.17 | dondelelcaro | lamrz: why? what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 22:44.35 | lamrz | trying to find right or useful ones among bits and pieces of files which are recovered by photorec |
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| 22:45.09 | lamrz | otherwise it's a hercule's job to go through all of them |
| 22:45.32 | dondelelcaro | lamrz: so find . -type f |xargs file -i|grep image; |
| 22:45.47 | dondelelcaro | or more complicated invocations if necessary |
| 22:46.15 | dondelelcaro | possibly grep 'image/jpeg' if these are all camera pictures.. or maybe image/nef or whatever the mime type is for raw files |
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| 22:47.13 | Debian` | Hi... root@linux:/home/user# sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/newhd |
| 22:47.13 | Debian` | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 22:47.27 | Debian` | how do I specify filesystem type? |
| 22:47.37 | dondelelcaro | Debian`: mount -t foofilesystem /dev/sdb2 /media/newhd |
| 22:47.48 | dondelelcaro | Debian`: but normally that actually means that /dev/sdb2 doesn't have a filesystem |
| 22:48.35 | Debian` | dondelelcaro: mount: unknown filesystem type 'foofilesystem' |
| 22:48.51 | lamrz | dondelelcaro, because photorec groups file formats, one might find originally different file types (i.e. xml, html, opml, or some kind of db backup) all under the same extension (i.e. html) therefore I'd like to be able to do some kind of content search within files, like a magic number, a header element or a common word. |
| 22:49.18 | dondelelcaro | Debian`: you should replace foofilesystem with whatever the filesystem of /dev/sdb2 is. |
| 22:49.34 | dondelelcaro | lamrz: well, that's what file does. |
| 22:50.01 | dondelelcaro | lamrz: it literally figures out the type of file on the basis of its content |
| 22:50.54 | Debian` | dondelelcaro: /dev/sdb2 185921536 390719487 102398976 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT |
| 22:50.55 | lamrz | dondelelcaro, do you mean 'file *', as you first mentioned? |
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| 22:51.19 | Debian` | dondelelcaro: is it ntfs ? |
| 22:51.32 | dondelelcaro | Debian`: so then presumably mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb2 /media/newhd; will work |
| 22:51.44 | dondelelcaro | lamrz: no. I mean find . -type f |xargs file -i|grep image; |
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| 22:52.26 | Debian` | The device '/dev/sdb2' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS. |
| 22:52.26 | Debian` | Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a |
| 22:52.26 | Debian` | partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around? |
| 22:53.00 | dondelelcaro | Debian`: well, then it might not be NTFS. So are you sure it's an NTFS filesystem? You can also try fat to see if that will work. |
| 22:53.19 | dondelelcaro | alternatively, the filesystem may be corrupted, or something else could be going on |
| 22:53.33 | zykotick9 | Debian`: sidenote, when you're root (ie you have a # prompt) there is NO need to use sudo |
| 22:53.39 | Debian` | dondelelcaro: mount: unknown filesystem type 'fat' |
| 22:53.44 | lamrz | dondelelcaro, where do I state the folder path to be searched in this command? |
| 22:53.53 | dondelelcaro | Debian`: should be vfat, actually |
| 22:53.54 | Debian` | zykotick9: thx :) |
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| 22:54.05 | dondelelcaro | lamrz: . is the folder path. man find; for details. |
| 22:54.48 | Debian` | dondelelcaro: ok it worked. thank you! |
| 22:55.13 | boycottg00gle | but photorec should already classify no? |
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| 22:56.06 | lamrz | nothing happened |
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| 22:59.07 | jmcnaught | waynr: hey i was away for a bit. the discussion was more about why reprepro deletes the previous version when a new package is added, and the puppetlabs repo was cited as an excample. It started at 20:24 EDT last night and went on for several pages. You can probably find it here once the date changes: http://infobot.rikers.org/%23debian/ |
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| 23:00.36 | dondelelcaro | lamrz: then you don't have any files which have an image mime type |
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| 23:01.17 | dondelelcaro | lamrz: you can see if it's working at all by removing the grep command. |
| 23:02.06 | boycottg00gle | dondelelcaro: but shouldn't photorec already classify pictures? |
| 23:02.42 | boycottg00gle | or maybe use another tool? magicrescue/recoverjpeg/.. |
| 23:03.15 | dondelelcaro | boycottg00gle: dunno; I don't use photorec |
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| 23:03.24 | boycottg00gle | me neither |
| 23:04.21 | boycottg00gle | the description just suggests it already does that job?! |
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| 23:05.06 | waynr | jmcnaught: i spoke with someone who insists that apt.puppetlabs.com is not broken because dpkg-scanpackages, aptly, and freight don't complain. he also said that there is no official documentation or RFC indicating the correct apt repository layout |
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| 23:05.58 | waynr | so yeah if there are official guidelines or requirements for apt repositories feel free to send them my way |
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| 23:07.29 | waynr | as far as i am concerned though both apt.puppetlabs.com and apt are broken...apt.puppetlabs.com because it doesn't properly work around lack of support in apt for resolving dependencies properly when multiple versions of a given package are in the same repository |
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| 23:07.49 | waynr | s/properly/improperly/ |
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| 23:11.21 | dondelelcaro | huh? apt should handle multiple versions in the same repository |
| 23:11.22 | zykotick9 | waynr: the fact you're discussing "multiple versions of a given package" _IS_ broken, IMO |
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| 23:15.25 | waynr | dondelelcaro: if package-A=v1 depends on package-B=v1 and package-A=v2 depends on package-B=v2 then 'apt-get install package-A=v1' will fail if package-B=v2 is in the repository |
| 23:16.13 | waynr | zykotick9: i don't necessarily disagree with you, but i do think the behavior exhibited by apt is unintuitive |
| 23:16.32 | dondelelcaro | waynr: it shouldn't; the problem resolver is fully capable of figuring that sort of thing out |
| 23:16.48 | dondelelcaro | waynr: however, not installing the most recent package *is* broken |
| 23:16.59 | waynr | dondelelcaro: then something else seems to be going on |
| 23:17.00 | dondelelcaro | if you wanted that, you'll have to do other things |
| 23:17.08 | dondelelcaro | waynr: what is the precise output? |
| 23:17.24 | waynr | not when you are running package-C that depends on package-A=v1 |
| 23:17.51 | dondelelcaro | if package C doesn't actually depend on the correct version of A, then you've got other problems. |
| 23:17.57 | waynr | one sec gotta find my old paste |
| 23:18.15 | lamrz_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:19.29 | temhaa | http://paste.debian.net/104554/ my network intefaces file contains |
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| 23:20.00 | temhaa | I want bridge interface but when I add, doesnt start network |
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| 23:20.39 | waynr | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e583be70 |
| 23:21.17 | waynr | my situation is admittedly a corner case and there are workarounds |
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