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| 00:03.35 | jmcnaught | waynr: the discussion i was talking about starts at 00:24 http://infobot.rikers.org/%23debian/20140611.html.gz |
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| 00:05.04 | waynr | jmcnaught: thanks! |
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| 00:06.57 | jmcnaught | waynr: the puppet labs repo was just an example, the discussion had more to do with reprepro and handling of different branches |
| 00:08.13 | waynr | jmcnaught: i don't really plan to escalate with bug report on apt or apt.puppetlabs.net, it would be nice to see some better guidelines for vendor repositories |
| 00:09.12 | waynr | er |
| 00:09.14 | waynr | .com |
| 00:09.46 | jmcnaught | waynr: i was looking around in the debian policy for that info myself and couldn't find it. alas i'm just a user who tries to help people on IRC at this point, so don't take me as an authority on this stuff :) |
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| 00:10.35 | waynr | personally in an example like apt.puppetlabs.com i'd include version in the package name with a virtual package that points to the latest release version |
| 00:12.12 | Debyan | How can I permanenetly remove wine? |
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| 00:14.19 | E911 | clear |
| 00:15.23 | E911 | I was wondering, is it possible not use a greeter suchas LightDM or GDM? Can I use the TTY Login Prompt and then start the shell? |
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| 00:16.28 | zykotick9 | E911: i don't have a DM, and type "startx" after logging into console... disable your DM from starting |
| 00:16.28 | E911 | I know of startx, but I was wondering the exact commands per Shell, like what command invokes gnome-shell |
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| 00:17.04 | E911 | zykotick9: What command would you use if you wanted to start a specific Shell suchas Gnome, or XFCE, etc... |
| 00:17.08 | zykotick9 | E911: it could be set though alternatives, or .xsession or even .xinitrc |
| 00:17.50 | E911 | zykotick9: I see so ~/.xinitrc + startx thanks |
| 00:18.12 | Coweater | gnome-session xfce4-session i think, i've not tried running it that way though |
| 00:18.27 | zykotick9 | E911: you'd have to create .xinitrc (BUT, you should use .xsession probably <- newer method) |
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| 00:20.12 | zykotick9 | E911: either one .xsession or .xinitrc, you'd want a line like "exec gnome-session" or whatever it's suppose to be... you could comment out multiple lines (if you have multiple DEs or WMs, and adjust to suite) |
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| 00:20.48 | E911 | good to know, thanks again :) |
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| 00:44.20 | crumb | on what fscking keyserver is 65FFB764??? |
| 00:44.50 | crumb | it says to use subkeys.pgp.net, but it times out |
| 00:45.04 | crumb | and i tried keyring.debian.org, and that says it doesn't exist |
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| 00:45.21 | sunbeam | i have executed sudo shutdown -r now 2 times ,but system wont reboot |
| 00:45.24 | sunbeam | any idea what i can do ? |
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| 00:45.43 | crumb | add -h |
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| 00:46.09 | dondelelcaro | sunbeam: use sysreq to force it to reboot |
| 00:46.12 | themill | crumb: what are you trying to do here? |
| 00:46.25 | crumb | i am trying to retrieve the key |
| 00:46.35 | sunbeam | dondelelcaro: how do i do that? |
| 00:46.41 | dondelelcaro | sunbeam: is it still responding? |
| 00:46.44 | sunbeam | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 00:46.48 | themill | crumb: really? I'm surprised... |
| 00:47.06 | dondelelcaro | sunbeam: first look at the output of ps axfu; and see what shutdown is trying to do. It might be blocked waiting for something to complete |
| 00:47.47 | dondelelcaro | !magic sysrq |
| 00:47.47 | dpkg | i heard sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt . See also <sysrqd>. |
| 00:47.53 | sunbeam | dondelelcaro: that command just hangs |
| 00:47.53 | sunbeam | and outputs nothing |
| 00:47.59 | srged | does anyone know how to remove wine completely? apt-get purge is what I did and it still show in menu |
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| 00:48.33 | dondelelcaro | sunbeam: then you'll want to use magic sysrq to reboot it; alt-printscreen-r, s, u, s, b. should do it |
| 00:48.43 | sunbeam | dondelelcaro: im in console shell |
| 00:48.45 | sunbeam | on a server |
| 00:48.46 | crumb | ugh, what is this timewarp crap |
| 00:49.02 | dondelelcaro | sunbeam: remote serial console? or what? |
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| 00:49.19 | crumb | srged: i recall .desktop files are created in the user home dir |
| 00:49.20 | sunbeam | just connecting to a shell |
| 00:49.23 | sunbeam | using putty |
| 00:49.36 | crumb | srged: maybe .local/share/applications |
| 00:49.44 | sunbeam | dondelelcaro: nvm finally |
| 00:49.50 | dondelelcaro | sunbeam: well, then you'll have to either have a serial console, a physical console, or you can try sending keys to /proc/sysrq |
| 00:50.52 | sunbeam | dondelelcaro: reboot -f did it |
| 00:51.07 | srged | crumb: it worked! thanks!!! :) |
| 00:51.17 | crumb | srged: now pay me |
| 00:51.24 | dondelelcaro | sunbeam: cool |
| 00:51.25 | srged | bitcoins? |
| 00:51.36 | crumb | srged: nah it's fine :) |
| 00:51.43 | srged | okay :) |
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| 01:57.00 | metrix_ | when I su to root it's taking 10 to 15 seconds on a VM. the only thing that I have done recently is update packages. Any ideas why this would happen? |
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| 02:07.54 | metrix_ | I have updated many times.. never had a problem |
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| 02:19.55 | lakcaj | metrix_, does "su" and "su -" have the same same delay? |
| 02:20.27 | metrix_ | lakcaj: yes |
| 02:21.14 | metrix_ | hmm.. logging in twice it was faster the second time |
| 02:21.26 | lakcaj | hrmmm... my only idea was something being sourced in .bashrc or whatever taking too long |
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| 02:42.05 | srged | guys, where do I add this command "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" |
| 02:42.14 | srged | to be executed at startup |
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| 02:43.28 | dvs | srged: put "snd-pcm-oss" in the /etc/modules file |
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| 02:46.21 | srged | dvs: i see another command there , "loop" |
| 02:46.28 | srged | whats that loop about? |
| 02:46.49 | dvs | srged: it's another kernel module |
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| 02:48.53 | LtL | srged: loop is for mounting iso images off your hdd |
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| 02:49.47 | srged | LtL: do I need it? |
| 02:50.09 | LtL | srged: it does no harm and you may want to use it someday |
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| 02:50.57 | srged | LtL: dvs okay thank you guys |
| 02:51.59 | LtL | srged: sund working better? |
| 02:52.02 | LtL | sound |
| 02:53.31 | srged | LtL: yes it works wonders! its just tat iceweasels has troubles playing youtube video.... I guess its some browser or flash issue... |
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| 02:53.57 | srged | but thats fine coz I love chrome.. works like a charm |
| 02:54.42 | dvs | http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 02:55.21 | LtL | srged: try updating flash, # update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
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| 02:57.29 | srged | LtL: yeah I did what you said, now iceweasels plays youtube videos just fine hehe |
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| 02:59.54 | srged | so now if that "snd-pcm-oss" loads automatically at startup.then I have zero bugs |
| 03:01.00 | LtL | srged: it will |
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| 03:01.16 | srged | despite being a newbie, I really like debian and wont go back to windows, I'm hooked |
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| 03:22.52 | anonymousx | Hello everyone. I have a question regarding the removal of GNOME and the installation of the pantheon DE (Elementary OS DE) |
| 03:23.40 | anonymousx | I'd like to know if DEBIAN can support this DE first of all. |
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| 03:41.56 | jmcnaught | anonymousx: you can search for packages in Debian here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages but the elementary os de is not in the current stable release (Wheezy). I think i have read that work is being done to include it in the next release. There are lots of desktop environments and window managers to choose from in Wheezy |
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| 03:42.47 | anonymousx | @jmcnauty thank you, that's a shame it's a beautiful de |
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| 04:20.46 | jmcnaught | Xen__: hi Xen__ do you need some help? |
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| 04:34.40 | NotJimCarrey | anyone know which version of boost gnuradio looks for? |
| 04:34.53 | NotJimCarrey | keep getting bad version |
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| 04:37.24 | jmcnaught | NotJimCarrey: do you mean apt-get fails to install, or gnuradio fails to run? |
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| 04:37.36 | NotJimCarrey | building from source |
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| 04:38.33 | jmcnaught | oh.. well "apt-cache depends gnuradio | grep boost" on wheezy seems to indicate 1.49.0 but other than that i don't know. maybe there's a #gnuradio channel? |
| 04:38.47 | NotJimCarrey | dur, thanks |
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| 04:48.57 | Arbition | Hi, I have two network interfaces, both on DHCP, but only one has a valid DNS server. Is there a directive in the interfaces file which allows a given DNS server address to be ignored? |
| 04:49.35 | Arbition | I tried giving a dns-nameserver directive of 0.0.0.0, but this didn't work. |
| 04:50.14 | Blue1 | Arbition: check /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:50.29 | Arbition | This was not a solution I searched for, but the search terms I used directed me to a different issue |
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| 04:51.05 | themill | Arbition: you should be able to tell dhclient not to ask for a dns server for one of the interfaces. (assuming you can't fix the dhcp server to be less stupid) |
| 04:51.29 | Arbition | there isn't much of interest in there. Perhaps you mean doing a man 5 interfaces as indicated? That is the files I've already been looking at, Blue1 |
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| 04:52.11 | Arbition | themill: That does sound like what I'm trying to do |
| 04:52.15 | Arbition | I just don't know how |
| 04:55.00 | themill | Arbition: /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf is the configuration for the dhcp client. You can remove domain-name-servers from the request line. I believe you can do that on a per-interface basis judging by the examples in that config file |
| 04:55.22 | Arbition | I'll have a look, thanks |
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| 05:21.51 | Arbition | themill: Thanks, that seems to have worked. Now it seems I buggered up the install and have to do it over, but at least I know how to fix this next time :) |
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| 05:29.15 | HB33 | Hello. Could someone please let me know how to put a program on the desktop in Debian? I tried to drag the icon which does not work, also tried right licking to see if that was an option, no luck there either. |
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| 05:29.33 | HB33 | Also, does anyone speak German here? |
| 05:31.40 | HB33 | Any English speakers? |
| 05:31.48 | HB33 | Klingon? |
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| 05:34.05 | macrobat | HB33: have a little patience. I think the icon thing depends on which window manager / desktop environment you use |
| 05:34.10 | macrobat | !de |
| 05:34.11 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 05:34.55 | jmcnaught | HB33: sorry some of us leave IRC in the background while we're doing other things. Are you using Gnome? Do you have other files on the desktop? From Nautilus you can go to /usr/share/applications and copy the icons to ~/Desktop |
| 05:35.02 | HB33 | Ok Thanks. I think this is just the default installation of debian. Is there a way to find out which window manager I have? |
| 05:35.21 | themill | istr hearing about a "let nautilus manage my desktop" option |
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| 05:35.37 | HB33 | I dont know sorry. It might be Gnome |
| 05:35.45 | jmcnaught | HB33: to enable icons on the desktop you can use the gnome-tweak-tool package |
| 05:36.15 | HB33 | It sounds like the designers intentionally did not want users to put icons on the desktop? |
| 05:36.55 | jmcnaught | HB33: i don't like files on my desktop, to each their own |
| 05:37.41 | HB33 | Well no its not files. I mean, like If I want to run my email client, sylpheed, I have to search for it first, then click on the result it finds. It would be easier if the icon were just on the desktop and I could just click that |
| 05:37.50 | macrobat | if one design isn't to your taste, there are others |
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| 05:39.07 | HB33 | I think Debian has a lot of great features |
| 05:39.39 | rozie | HB33: just try to google "how to add program shortcut to desktop gnome" |
| 05:39.49 | HB33 | Ok will do |
| 05:40.02 | jmcnaught | HB33: the "icons" for applications are in /usr/share/applications. use gnome-tweak-tool to enable the feature "have file manager manage the desktop" to get icons on the desktop. |
| 05:40.23 | Arbition | Hm, seems it didn't work after all. Sigh. Oh well. |
| 05:40.24 | rozie | shortcuts on destop are hardly ever used |
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| 05:40.43 | rozie | usually people use menu or taskbar |
| 05:40.56 | macrobat | I don't use gnome, doesn't it have a general launcher on something like Alt+F2 where you can type the first letters in the application you want to start? |
| 05:41.02 | Arbition | seems random which server gets its response in, the winner populates resolv.conf. Must have had just enough with one of them winning to make me think it worked |
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| 05:41.06 | rozie | in lxde there's place for shortcuts for often used programs |
| 05:41.28 | rozie | I mean by default |
| 05:41.30 | jmcnaught | macrobat: it's even easier than that. hit the super key (windows key) and start typing the name |
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| 05:41.45 | NotJimCarrey | ok, so gnuradio build keeps telling me it's finding libboost 1.52, but libboost 1.52 is not installed |
| 05:41.49 | NotJimCarrey | kinda confused |
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| 05:42.40 | HB33 | jmcnaught: thanks I am looking into that now |
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| 05:45.16 | HB33 | I have installed the gnome tweak tool. Is this something that has to be run at the terminal? |
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| 05:45.56 | jmcnaught | HB33: hit window key on keyboard, start typing "tweak" (the icon might be labelled "advanced settings" though) |
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| 05:47.10 | jmcnaught | HB33: when you open /usr/share/applications/ in the file manager, it seems to work better if you right click the icon and use the copy to > desktop in the context menu instead of dragging and dropping |
| 05:48.25 | HB33 | Nothing showed up for tweak. At advanced settings nothing that indicates tweak tool shows up. When I installed it, I do not think I was asked for root permission. perhaps it did not install? |
| 05:51.17 | jmcnaught | HB33: did you get the window with the cartoon drawing of a head with a keyboard coming out of the top of it's skull? that's gnome-tweak-tool aka "Advanced Settings" |
| 05:52.14 | jmcnaught | HB33: you do not want to be root for this |
| 05:52.25 | HB33 | No I did not. I have Debian lxde on a different virtual machine. It has been awhile but I think that one worked better for me. I will try it out |
| 05:52.31 | HB33 | Thanks for the help though |
| 05:53.08 | jmcnaught | *sigh* |
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| 05:53.20 | jmcnaught | that's enough helping people for me tonight |
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| 06:38.37 | verblendet | hi, how to find out what changes to my printersettings and cups came with the last update yesterday to my debian testing. cups is fckd up and wont print in landscape, esp brochures. this is a wel lknown bug in cups, discussed everywhere 2 years ago, now it came up again. wtf happened to cups settings and filters? switching to postscript as recommended and sometime solved the problem wont work for me. |
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| 06:39.45 | verblendet | please help, i urgently need to print out a script. unfortunately printing to pdf and print with okular wont owrk too. NO Landscape printing possible. its a pita. |
| 06:40.04 | verblendet | before the update, everything was fine and printing correct |
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| 06:40.30 | verblendet | so, where to find all changelogs for cups and printer related stuff in debian testin gupdates? |
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| 06:42.30 | verblendet | it seems cups-filters 1.0.53-2 1.0.53-1 has changed and fucked up everything on 12.6.2014.... |
| 06:42.42 | verblendet | but synaptic wont let me choose older versions...... ! |
| 06:42.47 | verblendet | how to fix that? |
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| 06:46.07 | verblendet | force version for cups-filters wont be active in synaptic, why? |
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| 06:47.00 | themill | you can only install versions that actually exist |
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| 06:49.38 | verblendet | ok, seems this force version option is just a fake in synaptic, wont ever work as reported by so many users.... |
| 06:49.51 | verblendet | and using apt-get from commandline says: E: Version '1.0.53-1' for 'cups-filters' was not found |
| 06:49.59 | themill | indeed. you can only install versions that actually exist |
| 06:50.17 | verblendet | this version exists, it must exist somewhere |
| 06:50.21 | verblendet | and i want it back |
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| 06:50.29 | verblendet | so how to do it? |
| 06:50.32 | themill | dpkg: tell verblendet about snapshots |
| 06:50.52 | verblendet | themill, thanks for help. always meta infos from you ;) |
| 06:50.58 | verblendet | wont really help |
| 06:52.15 | verblendet | the snapshot page is almost a wildly list of unstructured text... pfff |
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| 06:53.52 | verblendet | so i have to live with a fucked up cups filter, cant print, produced hundreds of useless pages , wasted paper and ink and time and money. .... all would be fine if i could easily downgrade the cups-filter. |
| 06:54.06 | themill | so do so |
| 06:54.16 | verblendet | but i really dont want to mess around with a broken synaptic and silly packagemanagement. argh. again 2 hours wasted. |
| 06:54.23 | verblendet | so do so :P |
| 06:54.30 | verblendet | do what? wtf? |
| 06:54.32 | themill | it's about 8 seconds to download the file from snapshot.d.o |
| 06:54.38 | verblendet | i dont see how |
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| 06:54.55 | themill | so maybe you should ask rather than do your best to piss people off? |
| 06:54.56 | verblendet | have a list of dates, more dates and times |
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| 06:55.26 | verblendet | i am the only one who is pissed of, do you think im asking here if i didnt try everything i know ? |
| 06:55.35 | themill | ... |
| 06:55.47 | verblendet | i tried for about one day to just print landscape and produced tons of useless paper |
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| 06:56.11 | verblendet | im fucked up if i get only meta info even if anyone know the solution already |
| 06:56.13 | themill | So you can't find 1.0.53-1 on snapshot.d.o? |
| 06:56.20 | verblendet | argh, what happens to knowledge sharing...... |
| 06:56.27 | verblendet | no i cant find the deb file |
| 06:56.38 | formorer | and you know, we expect people using testing, that they already know this basic stuff. |
| 06:56.40 | themill | http://snapshot.debian.org/package/cups-filters/1.0.53-1/#cups-filters_1.0.53-1 ? |
| 06:56.40 | verblendet | maybe im stupid, but that happens, people are stupid sometimes |
| 06:56.48 | verblendet | basic stuff :P |
| 06:56.52 | formorer | yes. |
| 06:56.54 | verblendet | stable is unuseable! |
| 06:57.02 | themill | bullshit |
| 06:57.08 | verblendet | and testing works great, but no, i never knew about that |
| 06:57.12 | verblendet | stable is old |
| 06:57.14 | formorer | where we are at pissing peole off |
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| 06:57.28 | themill | verblendet: you've got your answer. Have fun |
| 06:57.28 | formorer | verblendet: as you can see, new software isn't always good. |
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| 07:18.13 | tor | Hi, when doing a foreign debootstrap and then run the --second-stage on target, why does it unpack all debs again? Am i doing something wrong or is this correct? |
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| 07:21.44 | doev | hi. is http://deb-multimedia.org/ trustworthy? |
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| 07:25.48 | themill | doev: it's a collection of poor quality packages and poorly maintained backports. (And there's barely anything useful in there that's not in debian already) |
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| 07:27.30 | doev | themill, sounds like problems. |
| 07:27.47 | themill | doev: it's not exactly high on the "recommended" list. |
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| 08:03.46 | jpollock | Alright. Got ya. Hate trying to use Omegle. Ask legit questions like, "What's the best way to torture a Jew before killing it?" and they get all self-righteous. Like they've never squashed a bug. |
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| 08:10.33 | petn-randall | jpollock: I think you should leave now. |
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| 08:11.54 | Metaleer | !ops jpollock Anti-Semitic comment. |
| 08:11.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: metaleer complains about: jpollock Anti-Semitic comment. |
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| 08:36.47 | centurion18 | hi people |
| 08:36.55 | centurion18 | i need to know something |
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| 08:37.33 | ksk | centurion18: hey, just go ahead and ask. |
| 08:37.36 | centurion18 | I installe debian wheezy in a Dell Optiplex GX240, it's a P4 with an ATI Rage 128 |
| 08:38.27 | centurion18 | and Debian boots up and when starts X server it freezes with distorted graphic |
| 08:38.32 | centurion18 | the box freezes up |
| 08:38.49 | centurion18 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.51 | centurion18 | this |
| 08:38.57 | centurion18 | (EE) R128(0): R128CCEWaitForIdle: CCE start -9 |
| 08:39.03 | centurion18 | lots of spam |
| 08:39.10 | centurion18 | what does it mean? |
| 08:39.36 | albru123-phone | Hi, I'm trying to compile some sources and I get this error: bash: jar command not found. I installed Oracle JDK which is needed to compile. I'll send my bashrc if needed. |
| 08:39.52 | centurion18 | after a fresh install, i'm not allowed even to boot the first time |
| 08:40.06 | msrd0 | albru123-phone: where did you installed it to? and what does "echo $PATH" response? |
| 08:40.07 | centurion18 | video card issues? |
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| 08:40.54 | SynrGy | yeah. ancient graphics card. do you have any other you could try instead? |
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| 08:41.18 | ChrisH | albru123-phone: normally you set JAVA_HOME and add $JAVA_HOME/bin to your PATH |
| 08:41.53 | centurion18 | SynrGy: it should run on that card anyway |
| 08:41.54 | ChrisH | albru123-phone: IF not using debian proviced java versions, and I know there are lots of situations where oracle java is till needed. |
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| 08:42.43 | Yarper123 | whats this debian thing |
| 08:42.51 | Yarper123 | prety cool os lol |
| 08:42.58 | Yarper123 | who made it? |
| 08:44.08 | dv- | deb and ian |
| 08:44.15 | msrd0 | Yarper123: http://www.debian.org/intro/about#history |
| 08:44.18 | SynrGy | centurion18: aside from searching the web for the error, no idea. sorry |
| 08:44.40 | SynrGy | centurion18: will it work if you force another driver, like vesa/ |
| 08:44.42 | SynrGy | ? |
| 08:46.50 | SynrGy | ,bug #717054 |
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| 08:46.51 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/717054 in xserver-xorg-video-r128 (open, moreinfo): «garbled screen & "Idle timed out, resetting engine" loop»; severity: important; opened: 2013-07-16; last modified: 2013-07-26. |
| 08:47.00 | SynrGy | centurion18: looks like your issue |
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| 08:47.50 | albru123-phone | ChrisH: I know that bashrc need some changes, but in currently on my phone connected over SSH - http://pastie.org/9282841 |
| 08:47.59 | ChrisH | http://newsletter5.payback.de/go/n6c4e2eo/hw14l9hi/10568 |
| 08:48.20 | ChrisH | sorry for spam... damn windows |
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| 08:49.54 | albru123-phone | msrd0: PATH http://pastie.org/9282854 |
| 08:49.57 | dob1 | hi, is this the update site to have the last iceweasel ? http://mozilla.debian.net/ I ask becouse i see the .net not the .org |
| 08:50.44 | ChrisH | albru123-phone: changed it a bit, I would test that one: http://pastie.org/9282861 |
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| 08:51.10 | albru123-phone | I have exporr instead of export |
| 08:51.15 | msrd0 | albru123-phone: in your .bashrc stands exporr instead of export, but that shouldn't produce the error in this case |
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| 08:52.02 | msrd0 | msrd0: and where did you install java to? /usr/java/jdk1.8.0/ ? |
| 08:52.05 | msrd0 | albru123-phone: |
| 08:53.08 | albru123-phone | Wait a second |
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| 08:58.31 | albru123-phone | msrd0: corrected paths, let's see if it works |
| 08:59.15 | albru123-phone | Btw how to correctly set env variable in bashrc so I don't have to use export? |
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| 09:00.45 | msrd0 | albru123-phone: it only works with export, but you can use "export \"PATH=$PATH:.....\"" |
| 09:00.45 | albru123-phone | msrd0: bashrc looks like this now - http://pastie.org/9282887 |
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| 09:01.02 | albru123-phone | Yes, that's what I want |
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| 09:04.16 | albru123-phone | msrd0: ok, finally every thing's correct |
| 09:04.55 | albru123-phone | Just have to use $JAVA_HOME in PATH |
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| 09:10.08 | tempaccount9371 | Hello, is anyone there? |
| 09:10.13 | SynrGy | no |
| 09:10.27 | tempaccount9371 | :( |
| 09:10.33 | SynrGy | but that shouldn't stop you from asking your question |
| 09:10.40 | tempaccount9371 | :D |
| 09:11.13 | tempaccount9371 | Ok, here's a problem I'm getting with kali linux after I recently installed mono and did a apt-get update |
| 09:11.31 | SynrGy | ah. kali ... you've come to the wrong channel. |
| 09:11.33 | tempaccount9371 | Whenever I start up and type in my passphrase, it goes straight to console and does not start the GUI like usual. |
| 09:11.34 | SynrGy | !kali |
| 09:11.35 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 09:13.10 | cap3lla | hello all.Anyone can explain to me, how I manually modify a .deb package to change the dependency version in the control file and repack it? I am aware what I am doing, but I don't know how to pack the "control" file with ar, after I modified it |
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| 09:13.43 | SynrGy | equivs doesn't help here? what are you trying to do, remove a dependency? |
| 09:14.16 | ksk | cap3lla: how about doing an "aptitude source $package; move to controlfile; edit it; dpkg-buildpackage; profit"? |
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| 09:14.23 | cap3lla | SynrGy: I would like to try (on a test machine) to install zarafa, but on Debian Jessie |
| 09:14.30 | Lope | I've got a bunch of debian 7.1 installs with the 3.2 kernel. But I need to run newer kernels to support the new CPU power states in modern CPUs. What is the newest I can go? |
| 09:14.45 | ksk | ,version linux-image |
| 09:14.46 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
| 09:15.10 | Lope | Do I need to do an apt-get upgrade before I can upgrade the kernels? |
| 09:15.16 | cap3lla | ksk: there is no official Debian package for Zarafa in repositories. I have downloaded from official Zarafa download server. They provide *.deb packages and a install.sh script |
| 09:15.21 | SynrGy | cap3lla: zarafa is third-party? what's the dependency that won't work on jessie? |
| 09:15.27 | ksk | ah, okay. |
| 09:15.48 | SynrGy | ,kernels |
| 09:15.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.15-rc8-686-pae (3.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.5-1); jessie: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.4-1); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 09:16.03 | cap3lla | SynrGy: for example it looks for "libboost-filesystem1.49.0", "libicu48" |
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| 09:16.49 | SynrGy | cap3lla: changing the deps by hand won't help you when the soname changes like that. you would need the package to |
| 09:16.50 | cap3lla | SynrGy: but these version are not available in Jessie. I thought I could install "libicu52" and "libboost-filesystem1.55" instead and try again |
| 09:16.56 | SynrGy | you would need the package to be rebuilt |
| 09:17.28 | SynrGy | that's *why* the soname changes. those libraries aren't just newer versions. they're incompatible with the old. |
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| 09:17.56 | cap3lla | SynrGy: can you tell me how I could install Zarafa on Jessie? Which way do I have to go? any help really appreciated |
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| 09:18.17 | cap3lla | Jessie officially is not supported by Zarafa, I am aware of it. But I mean, that somehow it should be installable on Jessie, too, shouldn't it? |
| 09:18.20 | SynrGy | cap3lla: obtain the source, edit the deps and build the package with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 09:18.35 | SynrGy | cap3lla: if it's not open source, i can't help. contact the vendor and ask for jessie support. |
| 09:19.18 | SynrGy | what does zarafa do? maybe jessie has some alternative software? |
| 09:19.34 | cap3lla | SynrGy: it IS open-source.. I am using the "open-source" variant, which is completely open |
| 09:20.01 | cap3lla | SynrGy: it's a mail collaboration software, like Horde, etc. |
| 09:20.03 | SynrGy | cap3lla: notice the "if". so fine, obtain the sources for the deb and modify & build |
| 09:20.25 | cap3lla | SynrGy: I need the source just for this particularly .deb file? |
| 09:20.27 | SynrGy | cap3lla: but if it's a non-trivial package (and sounds like it is) you probably need upstream's help with this |
| 09:20.34 | SynrGy | yes. |
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| 09:20.51 | SynrGy | the binary is incompatible with the libs you just mentioned that are in jessie |
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| 09:21.00 | SynrGy | you can't just munge the deps and expect it to work |
| 09:21.07 | SynrGy | build from source is the only solution |
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| 09:22.10 | SynrGy | cap3lla: why must it be on jessie? |
| 09:23.09 | mrAZ | hello, what is the boot option to start completely without networking (for GNU GRUB version 1.98 menu)? |
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| 09:24.42 | mrAZ | in GRML it was something like: networking = false |
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| 09:30.30 | centurion18 | hey people is there any good software for CCTV surveillance for Debian? |
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| 09:31.17 | cromag | i just had to wait several minutes for a debian vm to clean temporary files - can i avoid this wait time by doing this automaticaly somehow ? |
| 09:32.00 | cromag | it cleans them during boot. |
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| 09:33.59 | cap3lla | SynrGy: because I did need DRBD 8.4.4 and therefore I upgraded to Jessie. |
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| 09:42.55 | SynrGy | cap3lla: i see. well, i think you probably want upstream's help on this one. |
| 09:43.17 | SynrGy | cap3lla: what you had envisioned as a workaround is not going to work |
| 09:43.29 | cap3lla | SynrGy: ok. Thanks for assistance |
| 09:43.32 | SynrGy | np |
| 09:43.38 | cap3lla | have a nice day. Bye |
| 09:43.47 | SynrGy | later |
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| 09:44.44 | mrAZ | how do i start debian without networking? grub does not have such option in menu. |
| 09:45.09 | SynrGy | i saw your question. just don't know the answer. |
| 09:46.05 | mrAZ | searched it all over, i will be booting grml then :( |
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| 09:46.21 | SynrGy | what's the end-user problem you need to solve? |
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| 09:46.39 | SynrGy | "boot without networking" for what reason, i mean? |
| 09:47.28 | mrAZ | because server is configured and in production where it would cause net conflicts. |
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| 09:50.00 | jdonaghy | 'Ello, all |
| 09:54.19 | jelly-home | mrAZ: there isn't one that I know of (and grep cmdline /etc/init.d/* suggests that as well), so boot a live image and change or disable net config manually |
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| 09:55.06 | Lope | I've got a bunch of debian 7.1 installs with the 3.2 kernel. But I need to run newer kernels to support the new CPU power states in modern CPUs. What is the newest I can go? Normally when I want to use a new kernel on ubuntu I just download one and install it with dpkg. What do you recommend? |
| 09:55.31 | XPPRESP3 | hello , am using debian wheezy , can you pls advise is there any default/standard text for the file sources.list , thanks |
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| 09:56.54 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell XPPRESP3 about sources.list |
| 09:57.05 | mrAZ | jelly-home: or start with init=0, create some profile with no net on init 3 and start init=3 ... ? |
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| 09:58.01 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell Lope about bdo kernel |
| 09:58.06 | jelly-home | mrAZ: that might work |
| 09:58.29 | jelly-home | mrAZ: but I think debian brings up networking even in S |
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| 09:59.04 | jdonaghy | What's with you guys and banning? Why would you ban someone? Have you no humanity? Debian is a fine distro. But its people. Maybe not so much. |
| 10:00.35 | jelly-home | jdonaghy: if you have specific issues, ask in #debian-ops. Keep this channel free for tech support instead of channel policy discussion. |
| 10:00.59 | jdonaghy | Oh yes. My apologies. |
| 10:01.18 | XPPRESP3 | ChrisH, thanks for passing , how i can add mirror & deb-scr , pls |
| 10:03.13 | ChrisH | XPPRESP3: use /msg dpkg mirror to ask the stuff like "Also see <deb-src> " dpkg will tell you more |
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| 10:08.12 | msrd0 | hi, i gut one question: i have debian wheezy installed and have gcc version 4.7.2. apt-get dont find any updates, but this version is not the latest. how can i update gcc? |
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| 10:09.38 | jdonaghy | You may be able to port in a back kind of way? Eh? |
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| 10:10.13 | ChrisH | msrd0: aptitude search gcc shows different ones for me |
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| 10:11.19 | msrd0 | ChrisH: yes, i see some older versions and 4.7, but no newer versions |
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| 10:13.54 | ChrisH | ,v gcc-4.7 |
| 10:13.58 | judd | Package: gcc-4.7 on i386 -- wheezy: 4.7.2-5; jessie: 4.7.3-14; sid: 4.7.3-14 |
| 10:14.45 | msrd0 | ChrisH: i want gcc 4.9, not 4.7 |
| 10:14.51 | ChrisH | msrd0: I use a jessie system first. see above for the current stable compilers. Why do you need an other compiler? |
| 10:15.16 | msrd0 | ChrisH: i need a newer compiler |
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| 10:21.28 | ChrisH | !sns |
| 10:21.29 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 10:22.29 | kike_killer | ssb. What a rush |
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| 10:24.22 | msrd0 | ChrisH: i dont need every new version of a program but in this case i want to use a newer version of gcc for some reasons i will not paste in here. if you dont like to answer my question it would be better if you just say that. |
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| 10:26.47 | Lope | can I install this wheezy backport kernel on my Debian 7.1 x64 systems? http://debian.mirror.ac.za/debian/pool/main/l/linux-latest/linux-image-amd64_3.14+57~bpo70+1_amd64.deb |
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| 10:27.56 | ChrisH | msrd0: I waited for an answer. I had a quick check with http://backports.debian.org/ and it looks like no newer compiler is avaliable via backports. So either upgrade or use the provided stable one. as long as you do not need to compiler kernel modules the compiler version should not matter. But I am done with my knowledge here. |
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| 10:29.12 | Lope | why is the above file only 6KB? I got it from here: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/linux-image-amd64 |
| 10:29.57 | ChrisH | Lope: you should use apt-get/aptitude to search and install packages. |
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| 10:30.53 | formorer | in in that case "This package depends on the latest Linux kernel and modules for use on PCs with AMD64, Intel 64 or VIA Nano processors. |
| 10:30.56 | formorer | " |
| 10:31.05 | formorer | shows that it is just a metapackage. |
| 10:32.20 | Lope | ChrisH: the servers I've got aren't on the internet |
| 10:32.33 | Lope | What is a metapackage> |
| 10:32.48 | formorer | a package which contains nothing and just depends on other packages. |
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| 10:33.24 | Lope | I see. this looks like the real deal. https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 10:33.32 | Lope | 30MB |
| 10:34.02 | formorer | a server without any internet access is not really a good idea. |
| 10:34.08 | formorer | you should really give them a proxy |
| 10:34.09 | SynrGy | yes. the metapackage ensures that the 'latest' is always installed. |
| 10:34.16 | SynrGy | without having to know which version is latest. |
| 10:34.31 | Lope | SynrGy: okay cool. |
| 10:34.49 | SynrGy | if you use dkms modules make sure to also have the corresponding headers installed. |
| 10:34.59 | Lope | formorer: what do you need internet for if you don't need it? |
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| 10:35.04 | formorer | security updates. |
| 10:35.11 | formorer | updates. |
| 10:35.22 | Lope | formorer: It's only me here :) I think I'm okay :p |
| 10:35.41 | formorer | have fun fiddling out the dependencys of packages. |
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| 10:36.41 | Lope | formorer: When I do a new build I just copy all of the apt-cache stuff onto the servers and install them all. works fine. |
| 10:36.44 | snadge | !backport |
| 10:36.44 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 10:38.18 | jubolog2 | Hello and Shukran Shukran Danke Sehr Merci beaucoup Kiitos paljon Болшое спасибо Thank you Muy obrigado Suur ãitah for the great FLGOSS we call Debian7 |
| 10:38.24 | tunathefish | Anybody ever had any issues with icewm accepting a menu file? I swear I have permissions on .icewm, but mmaker -f icewm doesn't write anything. If I try to output it to the console instead of a file, it outputs nothing. I can manually put a file there, but it goes ignored. |
| 10:38.33 | jubolog2 | I've a really simple question.. how do I get to format a formerly booting stick to it's full capacity again.. since now it's a bootable media for installing Debian 7.30 and obviously gonna want to install 7.5.0 instead and I really need a backup of my Windows7 machine before I install anything else then the Tor Browser Bundle that was the 1st and only thing I installed when I got the machine in the mail |
| 10:39.26 | Shadur | 7.3.0 updates to 7.5.0 automatically as long as you keep apt-get update/apt-get upgrade going on a regular basis. |
| 10:39.31 | jubolog2 | I think one way is to 'sudo cat /dev/zero /media/sdb' or something like that |
| 10:39.51 | jubolog2 | then remove stick and stick into windows |
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| 10:40.00 | Shadur | Not exactly, but you do need to recreate a filesystem on that disk. You can do that from linux or windows just fine, I think. |
| 10:40.08 | jubolog2 | Shadur: how? |
| 10:40.19 | Shadur | Using mkfs. |
| 10:40.22 | jubolog2 | I have both Debian7 and Windows7 at my disposal |
| 10:40.51 | petn-randall | hands tunathefish the award for the worst whitespacing of a support question. |
| 10:41.11 | Shadur | Stick it into the windows 7 box, format. Easiest way to make sure both linux and widows will recognize the thing afterward. |
| 10:41.29 | SynrGy | jubolog2: it may be that the partition table is stomped on. so yes, zeroing the device helps. |
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| 10:42.13 | SynrGy | or you can use gparted /dev/sdb and create a new partition table with it ("mklabel msdos" i think) |
| 10:42.16 | jubolog2 | SynrGy: I don't understand that but I understand what mkfs stands for |
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| 10:42.28 | SynrGy | mkfs will only help if you have a sane partition table |
| 10:42.55 | jubolog2 | SynrGy: the MBR of the stick has GRUB |
| 10:42.56 | SynrGy | just zeroing the first block will also do it |
| 10:43.09 | SynrGy | but you don't zero the /media/sdb. that's the mounted device ... |
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| 10:43.23 | SynrGy | i.e. mountpoint for filesystem on it |
| 10:43.31 | edoardo | hi everyone |
| 10:43.41 | edoardo | i just installed debian 7.5 on my cq61 |
| 10:43.43 | SynrGy | you zero the device using its device node under /dev |
| 10:43.46 | jubolog2 | and the rest of the disk is inaccessible given the Debian7.iso burnt on using 'sudo cp debian7.iso /dev/sdb' |
| 10:43.50 | SynrGy | yep |
| 10:43.53 | edoardo | i have no de, and i can't use the wifi connection |
| 10:44.00 | jubolog2 | I want a disk that is viewable to WIndoozezeven |
| 10:44.03 | SynrGy | jubolog2: also i think the debian installation guide includes instructions about it |
| 10:44.07 | edoardo | how do i connect to an access point? |
| 10:44.19 | edoardo | i succesfully listed the networks, but i don't know how to connect to them |
| 10:44.22 | SynrGy | so if you're following that (and you always should) then, no problem. |
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| 10:44.59 | jubolog2 | so what do I do? |
| 10:45.11 | jubolog2 | 'sudo cat /dev/zero /dev/scb' ? |
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| 10:45.30 | jubolog2 | stick it to windows and hope it gives way to click "format drive" |
| 10:45.58 | jubolog2 | Why doesn't everything use ZFS ? |
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| 10:46.14 | SynrGy | jubolog2: well, you typoed the device node, and also you don't need to wipe the whole thing, just the first block (can be done with dd) but otherwise, yeah. |
| 10:46.18 | SynrGy | sec .. |
| 10:46.30 | jubolog2 | tick, tick, tick... |
| 10:46.38 | jubolog2 | I've time |
| 10:46.52 | jubolog2 | You've time also |
| 10:46.59 | jubolog2 | generalization: time exists |
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| 10:47.12 | SynrGy | hm. guess i'm wrong. |
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| 10:47.37 | SynrGy | i didn't find it in the installation guide. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb count=1 (assuming that's your device node. make absolutely sure!) |
| 10:47.54 | jubolog2 | and it's *unplug* *replug* and the answer is at the end of printout of 'dmesg' command |
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| 10:47.55 | SynrGy | after that, windows will see it as a factory fresh empty drive |
| 10:48.00 | SynrGy | then it can do whatever with it |
| 10:48.25 | SynrGy | jubolog2: or more reliably, ls -l /dev/disk/by-id |
| 10:48.56 | SynrGy | jubolog2: that way you can be absolutely sure it's not some other external device whose connection you accidentally wiggled when plugging in :) |
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| 10:51.34 | jubolog2 | SynrGy: 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb count=1' worked like a charm |
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| 10:51.49 | jubolog2 | I'm going to curse MSFT if the backup doesn't accept that as media now |
| 10:52.04 | jubolog2 | (after I've formatted it to NTFS with WIndooze) |
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| 10:53.08 | Waynes | I want to use libglfw3-dev on a 64 bit debian system I don't have root on but I can't compile it because I don't have Xf86VidMode library and headers. I also downoaded a libglfw.so from somewhere but it won't link because of undefined references to "__fdelt_chk@GLIBC_2.15" and "memcpy@GLIBC_2.14". |
| 10:54.09 | SynrGy | Waynes: so maybe we should start with: what's the larger problem you're trying to solve? |
| 10:55.22 | jubolog2 | Epic MSFT qualitu upon running "Backup the computer" and choosing the newly made stick "Error #32598435" or something similar.. really helpful. |
| 10:55.35 | jubolog2 | I've made a restore point |
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| 10:55.49 | jubolog2 | but making the backup doesn't work |
| 10:56.22 | Waynes | SynrGy: I'm trying to create an OpenGL context and I already have working code for glfw3 on windows. I could rewrite everything to use e.g. SDL or freeglut but I'll probably run into similar problems there. |
| 10:56.32 | SynrGy | well, i had assumed when plugging in the stick, windows would say "hey, an empty stick. want me to format it for you?" |
| 10:56.38 | SynrGy | jubolog2: ^^ |
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| 10:57.30 | jubolog2 | I need the shit native Windows for zwei things |
| 10:57.43 | jubolog2 | #1 printer and external sound-card drivers |
| 10:57.52 | jubolog2 | #2 playing 3-D games |
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| 10:58.37 | SynrGy | Waynes: so i don't understand this part "I want to use libglfw3-dev ... but I can't compile it ..." |
| 10:58.47 | SynrGy | Waynes: why are you trying to compile libglfw3-dev? |
| 10:58.55 | SynrGy | ,v libglfw3-dev |
| 10:58.56 | judd | Package: libglfw3-dev on i386 -- jessie: 3.0.4-1; sid: 3.0.4-1 |
| 10:59.05 | SynrGy | ah. you're backporting it to wheezy? |
| 10:59.09 | Waynes | SynrGy: because I want to use that library in a project |
| 10:59.21 | SynrGy | i think you might not be able to get there from here. |
| 10:59.32 | jubolog2 | As soon as I find my disk-content-transfer kit the primary os is going to be Kubuntu 14.04 and the Windooze is in the VirtualBox for the Excel. |
| 10:59.48 | jubolog2 | Someone told me I don't even need to be on Windows to use the HTML5 Office |
| 10:59.51 | SynrGy | you definitely don't want to install random .so files from "out there" |
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| 11:00.09 | jubolog2 | did someone mention delicious 'sploits ? |
| 11:00.21 | SynrGy | Waynes: i think if you're doing development that requires such new stuff, you may need to be running jessie for it. |
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| 11:01.01 | jubolog2 | I rebooted the Windows7 |
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| 11:01.32 | jubolog2 | Usually when a layer of computational stuff try restarting layer-by-layer from the top-down is the 1st fix that comes to mind |
| 11:01.39 | jubolog2 | *stuff doesn't work |
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| 11:01.52 | jubolog2 | now it says "Backup in process" |
| 11:02.20 | Waynes | I'll try other OpenGL frameworks then, I already got glfw 2 working once but it is deprecated so I'd rather not |
| 11:02.31 | SynrGy | jubolog2: rambling a bit. keep it focused on your support questions please? #debian-offtopic for the rest. |
| 11:02.44 | jubolog2 | SynrGy: thanks for that 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-id' command. have saved it in file |
| 11:02.48 | SynrGy | np |
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| 11:04.22 | SynrGy | Waynes: fair enough. good luck |
| 11:04.36 | Waynes | SynrGy: thanks |
| 11:04.48 | FirePowi | Hello, what’s your system language (locale -> LANG=…) and what is the word for « Depend » returned by "apt-cache depend", please ? |
| 11:04.57 | SynrGy | Waynes: but just in case: |
| 11:05.01 | SynrGy | !tell waynes about ssb |
| 11:05.29 | SynrGy | Waynes: what you're trying to do is a backport. that factoid contains some advice. that *might* work, but might not. if you've already done all that and are still stick, then probably not. |
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| 11:05.53 | SynrGy | still stuck* |
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| 11:07.53 | lurtz_ | when will irssi 0.8.16 be avaible for debian? as .deb i mean |
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| 11:09.19 | SynrGy | irssi has its own repo. those packages aren't supported here, however. but they work well. |
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| 11:09.30 | SynrGy | ,v irssi |
| 11:09.32 | judd | Package: irssi on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.15-2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.15-5~bpo60+1+b1; wheezy: 0.8.15-5; jessie: 0.8.15-5+b1; sid: 0.8.15-5+b1; experimental: 0.8.16~rc1-1 |
| 11:10.10 | SynrGy | since only rc1 is in experimental, i would guess sometime around "in a while" ;) |
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| 11:10.49 | SynrGy | (allowing that an unstable upload needs to be made of the final release, then the usual 10 days RC-bug-free to migrate to testing, then some time after that for someone to make a backport and upload it) |
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| 11:11.39 | SynrGy | waiting for something specific from 0.8.16? |
| 11:11.57 | SynrGy | or just have SNS? :) |
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| 11:15.57 | SynrGy | lurtz_: also, follow bug #751016 for updates on the status of the request to package the new version |
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| 11:16.06 | SynrGy | ,bug #751016 |
| 11:16.07 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/751016 in irssi (open): «irssi: New upstream stable release 0.8.16 available!»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-06-09; last modified: 2014-06-09. |
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| 11:17.45 | lurtz_ | SynrGy: SNS? |
| 11:17.48 | SynrGy | !sns |
| 11:17.49 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 11:19.08 | lurtz_ | SynrGy: haha, mostly for bugfixes, but guess thats my lil SNS in a way ;) |
| 11:19.08 | SynrGy | fortunately in this case backports *have* been made for prior releases |
| 11:19.22 | SynrGy | so it's reasonable to assume it will be done again for this new release, when ready |
| 11:20.07 | FirePowi | can anyone say me the return of : "locale | grep LANG= | cut -c 6-7 ; apt-cache depends | grep xauth | sed 's/: xauth//g'" ? |
| 11:20.24 | SynrGy | my guess is, no sooner than 2 weeks, and possibly longer. just depends on the available time & motivation of the maintainer, and any technical difficulties packaging the new version may present. |
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| 11:21.05 | FirePowi | can anyone say me the return of : "locale | grep LANG= | cut -c 6-7 ; apt-cache depends xorg | grep xauth | sed 's/: xauth//g'" ? * |
| 11:21.24 | SynrGy | lurtz_: for example, irssi updates probably need to be carefully coordinate with other packages that depend on it: irssi-scripts for one. |
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| 11:21.30 | SynrGy | coordinated* |
| 11:21.41 | SynrGy | so this may take extra time |
| 11:22.12 | lurtz_ | okey |
| 11:22.12 | SynrGy | anyway, it's all just speculation at this point. |
| 11:22.44 | jubolog2 | SynrGy: big thanks.. the Windows7 is now has a recovery point and an external offline backup |
| 11:22.49 | lurtz_ | 1-2 month is not impossible you mean? |
| 11:22.50 | SynrGy | jubolog2: super! |
| 11:22.55 | SynrGy | lurtz_: right |
| 11:23.04 | lurtz_ | thats doable |
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| 11:23.54 | jubolog2 | as soon as I find my (Linux based) disk image mover software disk I'm going for Kubuntu 14.04 and Excel in Windows7 in VirtualBox except if I'm playing games, printing or recording |
| 11:24.36 | SynrGy | jubolog2: what about debian 7.5 (which you said in the beginning ...) |
| 11:25.10 | jubolog2 | SynrGy: yeah.. that's for the servers |
| 11:25.17 | jubolog2 | I've 3 Debian servers |
| 11:25.18 | SynrGy | ah |
| 11:25.35 | lurtz_ | debians kernels doesnt follow kernel.org's series thorough, right? |
| 11:25.40 | jubolog2 | SynrGy: I want to optimize for reliability and stability when installing servers |
| 11:25.53 | SynrGy | again, try to keep the rambling to #debian-offtopic and the debian support questions here, though |
| 11:26.22 | SynrGy | lurtz_: what do you mean by that? |
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| 11:26.33 | jubolog2 | but for desktop the [K|X|L]ubuntu for better GUI |
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| 11:26.54 | jubolog2 | actually there is one server that needs attention |
| 11:27.24 | SynrGy | lurtz_: pretty much every new kernel.org kernel gets packaged. whether or not it migrates to testing, and then a backport is made for stable, that's another matter. |
| 11:27.28 | jubolog2 | or more like migrate-and-recycle for the VPS |
| 11:28.23 | SynrGy | jubolog2: again, rambling. 3rd warning about that. there won't be another |
| 11:28.34 | rgr | uuh oh. |
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| 11:28.46 | lurtz_ | SynrGy: ok, so all kernels get packed? thought only some made it to that and others was sorted away during testing or something? |
| 11:28.59 | lurtz_ | like handpicking what kernels do we use |
| 11:29.30 | lurtz_ | and what do we not use |
| 11:29.35 | SynrGy | lurtz_: there are no hard-and-fast rules about this. but new kernels *tend* to make it to testing and *tend* to get backported after that. |
| 11:29.42 | snadge | does apt-get source take into account security updates? |
| 11:29.45 | SynrGy | obviously not every single point-release does, though |
| 11:29.51 | SynrGy | that would just be crazy |
| 11:30.02 | snadge | it seems to be downloading the source for the version in main.. and not the version updated via security.debian.org |
| 11:30.07 | SynrGy | ,kernels |
| 11:30.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.15-rc8-686-pae (3.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.5-1); jessie: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.4-1); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 11:30.42 | SynrGy | lurtz_: so, currently at 3.14, which is also available as a backport, and 3.15 will be coming soon. |
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| 11:31.30 | SynrGy | snadge: did you remember to include a 'deb-src' line for security in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 11:31.37 | SynrGy | snadge: i'm guessing not |
| 11:31.48 | snadge | it looks like i have |
| 11:31.54 | SynrGy | and did apt-get update after? |
| 11:32.11 | snadge | yep |
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| 11:32.45 | SynrGy | snadge: "the source" of what? |
| 11:32.55 | lurtz_ | aha ok |
| 11:33.13 | SynrGy | i gotta run. maybe someone else can help snadge |
| 11:33.17 | SynrGy | later |
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| 11:39.17 | wasp_ | Hey all, wonder if anyone could give me some advice. I'm looking to build a mail server with an all in one package, I've tried iRedMail and Axigen, iRedMail is too basic and Axigen installs it's own webserver on the default site, which is annoying. Can anyone recommend any decent packages? I have been Googling and there are loads of choices. |
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| 11:42.49 | rgr | define mail server. no kidding! I haven heard of any of those things but have used dovecot, postfix and exim4. |
| 11:42.51 | Sebby | sest |
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| 11:43.17 | Gabou | Hello everyone. |
| 11:43.22 | Gabou | I have a little problem. |
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| 11:43.54 | wasp_ | Mail server packed defined as smtp/imap/ssl/webmail :) |
| 11:44.16 | Gabou | Since the upgrade of php5-fpm, when the socket is created, to /etc/phpcgi/php.sock as defined, it is made by "www-data" instead of "nginx", but I defined nginx in user to use, in php5-fpm conf |
| 11:44.31 | Gabou | Before the upgrade, it didn't do that. |
| 11:44.39 | Gabou | Sorry for my bad english, i'm french. :-) |
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| 11:45.50 | Gabou | So, when php5-fpm is launched, the server can't access its own socket, because it's under "www-data" owner |
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| 11:46.02 | Gabou | I have to chown nginx everytime I reboot php5-fpm |
| 11:46.09 | Gabou | Any idea ? :-) |
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| 11:46.45 | babilen | wasp_: postfix, dovecot and, say, roundmail doesn't cut it? |
| 11:47.04 | Evropi | so I've been trying to put this piece of firmware on an install usb but it's write-protected |
| 11:47.06 | Evropi | wat do |
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| 11:47.19 | lamrz | hello everyone, what is the distinction between magicrescue and photorec? or if they're basically for the same purpose, which one of them is powerful? |
| 11:47.24 | wasp_ | babilen, quite possibly although I'm looking for an all in one package rather than lots of them, although it's a definitely possibility |
| 11:47.29 | lamrz | more powerful* |
| 11:47.31 | babilen | wasp_: Why do you want it to be an all-in-one package even though you want to offer distinct services? Why not use the best tool for each job? |
| 11:49.06 | snadge | not sure why debian adds +b1 to the package version that is downloaded.. when i build from source it is 2.0.5-1 |
| 11:49.15 | snadge | so when i say update.. it thinks +b1 is newer |
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| 11:49.49 | wasp_ | babilen, I'm trying to get is set up as quickly as possible really and using separate tools for each job requires learning them. Not that that's a problem though |
| 11:50.00 | wasp_ | If that is the best way to go then so be it |
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| 11:51.32 | Evropi | mount: cannot remount block device /dev/sdc read-write, is write-protected |
| 11:51.34 | Evropi | wat do |
| 11:51.56 | babilen | wasp_: I would recommend that approach and the tools I mentioned. It will, naturally, require more work to learn them, but they are good and knowing them will pay off as they are used everywhere. |
| 11:52.03 | rgr | there is no quick version of "quickly as possible" with email : you need to understand and configure carefully at each stage. Quite a lot to learn and do in fact. |
| 11:52.17 | rgr | but great fun. |
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| 11:52.43 | babilen | wasp_: You simply learn tools that are widely used *and* mail itself at the same time rather than some niche-product that will be forgotten soon. :) |
| 11:52.52 | Evropi | babilen: fwiw it's been called roundcube for years, and I've heard pretty bad things about its security |
| 11:53.03 | wasp_ | Yeah it is fun, have a Windows 2k8 server at the moment and am slowly transferring everything across to Debian |
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| 11:54.12 | wasp_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.16 | rgr | exim4... |
| 11:54.35 | rgr | thats the debian default mta. |
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| 11:58.59 | snadge | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/90012/what-do-b-packages-versions-mean-in-debian |
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| 12:02.54 | lamrz | hello everyone, sorry if I'm double-posting, I was just disconnected recently..what is the distinction between magicrescue and photorec? or if they're basically for the same purpose, which one of them is more powerful? |
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| 12:05.05 | Evropi | argghh |
| 12:05.21 | Evropi | how can I copy an ISO image to my USB without making it write-protected? |
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| 12:06.03 | ChrisH | Evropi: no way I am aware of. CD-ISO is ROM |
| 12:06.30 | Evropi | I've done it before though in another debian install a few months ago |
| 12:06.42 | Evropi | and I copied firmware to the firmware folder and everything worked fine |
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| 12:07.22 | babilen | Evropi: yeah, I was thinking of roundcude. brainfart that (was it really called roundmail? I've never encountered that) -- What are the security problems you refer to? I've never used it but it's frequently mentioned as "nice" (probably simply "nice to look at") webmailer |
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| 12:08.25 | ChrisH | Evropi: untested idea: mount -o loop $PWD/x.iso /a ; copy files into /a and umount /a might work |
| 12:08.49 | Evropi | what's $PWD? |
| 12:09.21 | Gabou | Evropi: your current folder you are actually in |
| 12:09.31 | Evropi | hah, ok |
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| 12:09.58 | ChrisH | Evropi: mount needs an absolute path |
| 12:10.10 | Evropi | so basically, 'extract' the files from the iso and then copy the contents to the usb? |
| 12:11.24 | Iridos | not extract... mount... like a virtual dvd |
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| 12:12.37 | Evropi | actually |
| 12:13.18 | Evropi | ChrisH: if I create a 'firmware' folder on it and dump the firmware file in, then copy the iso that way (using cp), will it 'write into' the folder? |
| 12:13.39 | Evropi | as in, will it just write whatever it wants to write, retaining the firmware folder I had put there beforehand? |
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| 12:15.02 | Evropi | I'll try it |
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| 12:16.07 | barx`work | Is there a standard for debian package name ? They look like NAME_VERSION_ARCH.deb but i don't find anything in debian policy manual |
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| 12:17.19 | srged | I get this error when I start CenterIM. |
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| 12:23.04 | ChrisH | Evropi: Sadly I did not understand your questions. You modify the iso image and copy the iso-image back to the Stick. |
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| 12:23.45 | Gabou | I've found the problem, thank you guys anyway, have a good day. |
| 12:23.46 | aborrero | hi there |
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| 12:29.30 | ectospasm | someone in here suggested that "sudo -i" doesn't have the same environment as "sudo su -" The only difference I see is the SUDO_* and USERNAME environment variables in "sudo -i", and the XDG_SESSION_COOKIE in "sudo su -" |
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| 12:32.06 | Brigo | ectospasm, so strictly it is true :) |
| 12:32.21 | rnz | Hi! Anybody know how to tune kernel in next situation: when chromium have many tabs(processes), gtk applications is slowdown (claws-mail, libreoffice) and in top have many kernel processes "migrate/X", where X - smallint? May be need configure some /proc/sys/kernel/sched_* ? |
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| 12:32.57 | ectospasm | Strictly speaking, yes. But for most intents and purposes, it doesn't matter. Unless you want to hide the fact that you're using sudo to launch each. |
| 12:33.30 | Evropi | ChrisH: booted into windows, I'll do it from unetbootin since that always worked as expected ;_; |
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| 12:33.59 | ChrisH | Evropi: unetbootin is known to cause a lot of trouble.... |
| 12:34.03 | Evropi | err universal usb installer what am I saying |
| 12:34.07 | Evropi | yeah unetbootin is rubbish |
| 12:34.24 | Evropi | uui is brilliant though, never failed me even with some really obscure distros back in my distro hopping days |
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| 12:37.55 | rnz | I think this problem in cgroups or/and in scheduler (cfq), because with threaded browser (firefox w/o plugins) this problem not present... |
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| 12:38.30 | ectospasm | how many tabs do you have open in chromium? |
| 12:38.39 | ectospasm | rnz: ^ |
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| 12:39.46 | petn-randall | rnz: Run 'atop' and check if there are any blue or red lines while this happens. Likely that you're running out of RAM. |
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| 12:40.53 | ChrisH | my chromioum seems to have a filedescriptor leak and that causes similar issues. kill -9 and reopen using recover cleans up :) |
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| 12:42.45 | rnz | petn-randall, I have 24GiB in my system, 90% ram is free |
| 12:43.06 | tugrik | yeah ChrisH rnz ; unfortunately IME chromium is the "problem" |
| 12:43.35 | rnz | ectospasm, 10-20 tabs per window, 2-4 windows |
| 12:45.02 | ectospasm | rnz: have you tried opera, it's based on chromium but only uses one process (afaict)... you can use chrome/chromium extensions in it, which is a huge plus IMO |
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| 12:47.12 | veek | any idea how to wakeup/suspend by echo to /somefile |
| 12:47.14 | tugrik | opera's based on chromium?! |
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| 12:47.21 | tugrik | you sure ectospasm ? |
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| 12:47.36 | rnz | ectospasm, this is not good solution. I think this trouble may fix by tunning kernel parameters |
| 12:47.50 | ectospasm | tugrik: opera 22 is based on chromium |
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| 12:48.27 | ectospasm | rnz: tweaking the kernel parameters doesn't sound like a good solution to me, but you're welcome to do whatever you want |
| 12:48.59 | ectospasm | OK, I need to get ready for work. |
| 12:49.23 | wjtaylor | I'm getting a lot of static through my speakers that is continuous. Is there a way to troubleshoot this? |
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| 12:50.00 | tugrik | ectospasm: fair enough, my knowledge is years out of date I think ) |
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| 12:51.31 | wjtaylor | wjtaylor: speaker tests work for internal card. Not able to play sounds from system though |
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| 13:05.25 | veek | echo `date '+%s' -d '+ 3 minutes'` > /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm and then cat ... shows nothing - how do i fix that |
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| 13:06.49 | wubic | how big should i set the efi partition ? |
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| 13:08.11 | petn-randall | rnz: The kernel is pretty good at tuning itself. Unless you've already fiddled around with parameters, I'd assume that it's either CPU- or I/O-bound. |
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| 13:18.36 | Cpuroast | so squeeze support has officially ended? |
| 13:18.48 | themill | dpkg: tell Cpuroast about squeeze-security |
| 13:18.48 | petn-randall | !tell Cpuroast about squeeze-lts |
| 13:18.50 | Cpuroast | time to move the squeeze-lts or wheeze |
| 13:18.54 | Cpuroast | wheezy |
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| 13:20.57 | LordDeath | lately I am always hearing that I should disable smtps in my postfix master.cf and use only submission instead |
| 13:21.08 | LordDeath | is submission really better than smtps? |
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| 13:23.35 | lotherk | we're using a couple of jessie packages on wheezy systems and since the package list is growing I was wondering if there's any kind of "buildbot" that I just tell "i need tomcat8 from jessie and ruby from sid" and it takes care of keeping the packages up-to-date? |
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| 13:24.10 | abrotman | dpkg: tell lotherk about ssb |
| 13:24.21 | robinmitra | Hi guys |
| 13:24.51 | robinmitra | I have a server which I ssh into using its IP address in the IP V4 format |
| 13:25.04 | lotherk | abrotman: sorry, where is there an answer to my question? |
| 13:25.16 | lotherk | we are already building those packages by hand |
| 13:25.17 | robinmitra | but when I check the IP address from within the server, it shows the IP address in IP V6 format |
| 13:25.24 | gdm85 | hi there. I am trying to connect to a dovecot+postfix mailserver and I keep getting wrong password error. only difference I noticed on dovecot side is that it logs: sql(email@example.com,83.47.22.xx) instead of email only. any ideas? |
| 13:25.28 | lotherk | and we do not want to build them by hand. |
| 13:25.28 | abrotman | lotherk: Ah, so you're not using the packages directly? |
| 13:25.47 | lotherk | no, we're using apt-get source and built them for wheezy system (and its deps of course) |
| 13:25.49 | abrotman | lotherk: I'm not sure if you can do your own buildd or not .. /msg dpkg buildd might have some info for you |
| 13:25.50 | robinmitra | does anyone know how can I tell the IP v4 address? |
| 13:25.54 | lotherk | but as the list is growing it gets uncomfortable |
| 13:26.09 | lotherk | abrotman, thans |
| 13:26.11 | abrotman | robinmitra: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 13:26.11 | lotherk | thanks* |
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| 13:26.24 | robinmitra | i know that..but it shows IP v6 addresses |
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| 13:26.40 | robinmitra | but I SSH into the server using IP v4 address |
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| 13:26.57 | abrotman | robinmitra: can you pastebin (paste.debian.net) and show us ? |
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| 13:27.14 | stmiller | curl ipv4.icanhazip.com |
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| 13:28.13 | abrotman | stmiller: that shows the IP that the world sees, not the one hte system has |
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| 13:34.02 | robinmitra | abrotman: here it is http://paste.debian.net/104640/ |
| 13:34.46 | abrotman | robinmitra: no .. I want to see /sbin/ifconfig -a output from the system |
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| 13:35.30 | robinmitra | ok 2 sec |
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| 13:38.48 | robinmitra | abrotman: here it is http://pastebin.com/ncabrzpL |
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| 13:39.07 | robinmitra | I have anonymised the full addresses for the internet if you don't mind |
| 13:39.40 | abrotman | robinmitra: You didn't anonymize the v4 address. Your server is NATed |
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| 13:41.47 | robinmitra | So does that mean that I can't tell the IP address the world sees from within the server? |
| 13:42.18 | wols_ | robinmitra: yes. not if you use NAT |
| 13:42.29 | robinmitra | If I do curl ifconfig.me, it gives me 37.xx.xx.xx but I actually SSH into the server with something like 87.xx.xx |
| 13:42.32 | robinmitra | If I do curl ifconfig.me, it gives me 37.xx.xx.xx but I actually SSH into the server with something like 87.xx.xx.xx.xx |
| 13:42.44 | robinmitra | Is that expected? |
| 13:43.01 | abrotman | robinmitra: fo you know what NAT is? |
| 13:43.11 | wols_ | depending on your network setup: yes. portforwarding or NAT can change these things |
| 13:43.29 | robinmitra | abrotman: I know only little bit |
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| 13:43.46 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation |
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| 13:45.20 | robinmitra | ah thanks guys..the NAT article explains it |
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| 14:22.18 | Lady_Aleena | How do I kill a process? IceWeasel froze and I am trying to restart it, but the process is still going. |
| 14:23.15 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: google "linux kill process" |
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| 14:23.35 | Lady_Aleena | abrotman, I would if I could open IceWeasel, but I can't. |
| 14:23.39 | Mikaela | ALT + F2, type "xkill" without the quotes and click Iceweasel. |
| 14:24.07 | Mikaela | "killall icewesel" probably works too. |
| 14:24.10 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: you have no w3m or links or lynx or galeon or epiphany or whatever KDE uses? |
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| 14:25.28 | Lady_Aleena | I have to reboot, my computer is really futzing now. I don't know what I did. |
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| 14:27.34 | zh1 | love xkill |
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| 14:31.13 | Lady_Aleena | Mikaela, when I used xkill, there was no place to click Iceweasel. |
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| 14:32.15 | Lady_Aleena | abrotman, I only have Iceweasel. |
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| 14:33.42 | ivanshmakov | Doesn’t edisplay(1) (as of 0.8.5-5+deb7u3) seem to leak memory, BTW? |
| 14:34.27 | abrotman | Lady_Aleena: that's silly, install another browser |
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| 14:35.36 | Lady_Aleena | Okay. |
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| 14:36.01 | Lady_Aleena | Chrome good? |
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| 14:38.09 | robinmitra | Lady_Aleena: Chrome and Firefox both are good browsers! |
| 14:38.26 | wjtaylor | Sounds are send to built-in Audio, but Ihave continuous static. If I mute the analog stereo it goes away, but also mutes sound |
| 14:38.33 | Lady_Aleena | installs Chrome as backup browser. |
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| 14:41.53 | Iridos | Lady_Aleena, ps aux |grep -i icewe # then find the processes that you want, then kill <number on place #2> ... wait a bit, if that doesn't work, do kill -9 <number on place #2> |
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| 14:42.59 | Jinxie | I need a debian to be as up to date software wise as ubuntu for desktop use do i use testing or unstable? |
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| 14:44.00 | petn-randall | !sns |
| 14:44.00 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 14:44.09 | Iridos | Jinxie,compare what the bot says: /msg dpkg testing versus /msg dpkg unstable |
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| 14:44.43 | Iridos | oh yes, and /msg dpkg backports and /msg dpkg moving target |
| 14:44.44 | Iridos | :D |
| 14:44.44 | Lady_Aleena | Iridos, thank you. |
| 14:44.57 | pmade | Is there a good channel for asking suspend/hibernate questions? pm-suspend-hybrid seems to work really well, but after sleeping ~ 10 minutes my laptop just stops sleeping for some reason and completely powers off. |
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| 14:49.05 | Cpuroast | ah nice, 3.15 is final |
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| 14:52.18 | Iridos | pmade, no, but there's debians slightly dated wiki-page on suspend https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
| 14:52.50 | Iridos | pmade, there's also... (albeit for the most part more dated) |
| 14:53.00 | Iridos | dpkg, suspend troubleshooting |
| 14:53.00 | dpkg | A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-RAM and suspend-to-disk problems is at http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Suspend_to_RAM and http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Suspend_to_disk . The tools it references are available in the Debian <uswsusp> package. See also http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt |
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| 14:53.51 | pmade | Iridos: Thanks. I guess I need to start debugging this then. I'm sure there's some quirk I have to specify. |
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| 14:57.15 | surf | hi guys I cannot mount transfer files to a usb key for "permission denied problems". I see it correctly, the fstab has no entries for usbs, my user is inside fuse group but I can just see the contents, not modify. It looks like it's ronly |
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| 15:01.20 | surf | oh damned me, dmesg show a fs problem. I'll run fsck |
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| 15:03.27 | surf | solved... |
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| 15:21.35 | KaaK | given two binaries -- an armel binary, and an armhf binary -- how could one unambiguously tell the difference? |
| 15:21.40 | Cpuroast | will kernel 3.14.7 be simply bypassed in unstable/testing and go straight to 3.15? |
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| 15:22.39 | petn-randall | Cpuroast: Maybe, if you're running testing/unstable you should be asking on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net though ;) |
| 15:22.47 | Cpuroast | oh |
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| 15:22.49 | Cpuroast | ok |
| 15:23.01 | Cpuroast | why isn't #debian-next on freenode |
| 15:23.27 | petn-randall | ... because ... it's on OFTC. |
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| 15:23.35 | Cpuroast | I guess |
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| 15:23.47 | babilen | Cpuroast: All official Debian channels are on OFTC |
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| 15:23.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell Cpuroast -about oftc move |
| 15:24.08 | aramus | hello all, quick question I have a diskless cluster set up right now, and i am wondering how i can get each instance to have a unique hostname |
| 15:24.36 | aramus | i have used the option in dhcpd.conf option host-name "xxx" however it is not working |
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| 15:32.15 | fffuuuL | Hi |
| 15:33.04 | fffuuuL | How can i install two seperate versions of a package (php) from debian repos on my fresh debian 7 |
| 15:33.31 | fffuuuL | Is that even possible with dpkg |
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| 15:37.01 | petn-randall | fffuuuL: It's not easily possible. What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 15:38.55 | wasp_ | After completely murdering my Linux VPS which had live sites on it, i've decided to purchase a seperate, smaller vps which I shall mess about on and keep the live hosting stuff seperate. Coming from a Windows admin background Linux definitely has somewhat of a learning curve to it. |
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| 15:40.06 | fffuuuL | petn-randall: I want to run two instances of PHP on different HTTP Ports |
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| 15:40.28 | fffuuuL | php-5.3 and latest (production version) and (latest) |
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| 15:45.11 | JordiGH | Is there any hope of getting gcc 4.9 in stable? Even if I build it myself? I just want to know if there's hope before I try. |
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| 15:47.59 | fffuuuL | always expect the worse |
| 15:48.31 | petn-randall | JordiGH: stable will only get security fixes, not package release updates. |
| 15:48.54 | JordiGH | petn-randall: That's not my question, my question is if it's likely for g++ 4.9 to compile on stable. |
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| 15:49.33 | petn-randall | JordiGH: "Is there any hope of getting gcc 4.9 in stable?" <-- sounded like you were hoping it migrates to stable. |
| 15:49.41 | petn-randall | ,checkbackport gcc-4.9 |
| 15:49.49 | JordiGH | No, there isn't a backport. |
| 15:49.59 | lamrz_ | hello everyone, how would you compare photorec with magicrescue and ext4magic? |
| 15:50.00 | JordiGH | Debian's packaging of gcc is very tied to libc and the binutils. |
| 15:50.07 | lamrz_ | I mean these three |
| 15:50.07 | JordiGH | Well, of gcc 4.9. |
| 15:50.08 | judd | Backporting package gcc-4.9 in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libc6-dev-x32 [amd64 i386], libx32gcc1 [amd64 i386], binutils (>= 2.23.52) | binutils-multiarch (>= 2.23.52), gdb (>= 7.6.2-1.1), libcloog-isl-dev (>= 0.18), libmpc-dev (>= 1.0). |
| 15:50.22 | JordiGH | I want to know if this is an artifcat of the gcc packaging or if gcc 4.9 really does require a newer libc than stable's. |
| 15:50.31 | petn-randall | JordiGH: See what judd said. |
| 15:50.53 | JordiGH | That doesn't tell me if this is an artifact of the Debian packaging or if gcc really will refuse to build. |
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| 15:51.51 | OllieB | can someone run through with me how to dual boot win 7 and debian on UEFI? |
| 15:52.52 | petn-randall | OllieB: Make sure "legacy mode", etc. is deactivated in the setup. Install Windows on one partition. Install Debian on the free space, let it write the grub boot loader. |
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| 15:53.27 | petn-randall | OllieB: The only catch is if you boot the installer in legacy mode, you won't be able to change it afterwards. |
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| 15:54.57 | rubin110 | Dear Debian IRC channel, I've screwed up and I'm not quite sure how to fix it. |
| 15:55.22 | tharkun | If I wanted to draw a decision tree, what would be my weapon of choice in Debian? |
| 15:55.25 | rubin110 | If I have a full system backup somewhere far off on the internet, what files do I need to pull in order to gain what state apt-mark showauto is in? |
| 15:55.44 | tharkun | !unix lessons |
| 15:55.45 | dpkg | somebody said unix lessons was (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
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| 15:56.10 | tharkun | Point 9 and one step at a time |
| 15:56.28 | rubin110 | tharkun: Is that for me? |
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| 15:57.04 | tharkun | rubin110: Does it fit your actual problem? |
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| 15:58.02 | tharkun | rubin110: I printed that factoid and I have it on top of my monitor. If only to remind me of the drill of fixing stuff. |
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| 15:58.05 | rubin110 | No, because I don't think apt-get dist-upgrade showed any erors. |
| 15:58.16 | rubin110 | errors |
| 15:58.23 | JordiGH | Oh well, I guess I'll just try compiling gcc 4.9 from upstream source and see how far I get. |
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| 15:58.51 | rubin110 | I got into some depends loophole hell. |
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| 15:59.27 | tharkun | rubin110: What do logs say? |
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| 16:00.01 | rubin110 | tharkun: Which logs? |
| 16:00.15 | petn-randall | OllieB: Read the /topic, don't query people and keep it on the channel. |
| 16:00.38 | ccb4n | hi. i have a debian install where i selected encrypted lvm during install. now i want to re-install debian over it again since some things went wrong recently, and want to know if i can still do so and leave /home untouched since it's on its own partition. but is this an issue since i set up encryption the first time? |
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| 16:00.55 | rubin110 | Looking through apt history I see that pretty much everything that got upgraded ended up in a half-configured state. |
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| 16:01.36 | petn-randall | ccb4n: As long as you remember the LUKS password, all should be fine. Usual warnings: Keep backups of the system in case something goes wrong. |
| 16:02.22 | ccb4n | petn-randall: i have a backup. alright, i'll just do it the same way i did the first time then |
| 16:02.25 | frostschutz | ccb4n, don't overwrite or re-encrypt or otherwise touch the /home |
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| 16:04.01 | ccb4n | so i do manual instead of guided - use entire disk and setup encrypted lvm? |
| 16:04.13 | frostschutz | ccb4n, I usually just debootstrap, not sure what the installer will let you do for an existing LUKS. it should either ask for your password or you could do that manually... |
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| 16:04.51 | petn-randall | ccb4n: Do it manually, otherwise you might overwrite your existing LUKS. |
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| 16:05.58 | ccb4n | ok thanks |
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| 16:11.05 | nyloxxx | !list |
| 16:11.11 | dpkg | nyloxxx: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 16:11.22 | ccb4n | if you have a second can you look at these https://cdn.mediacru.sh/46GfLzcIMQYZ.png |
| 16:11.29 | nyloxxx | ciaooo |
| 16:11.31 | ccb4n | it's the partition scheme |
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| 16:11.40 | petn-randall | nyloxxx: #debian-it |
| 16:11.53 | nyloxxx | scusate sono nuovo e non sapevo le regole |
| 16:11.55 | petn-randall | !it |
| 16:11.58 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:12.53 | ccb4n | if i select the 21GB one, it says no partitions are detected on it, which i assume is because it is encrypted |
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| 16:20.32 | tharkun | rubin110: Sorry got distracted, when updating or upgrading aptitude/apt log their changes through syslog. Just find the apropiate log file. |
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| 16:21.14 | CarlFK | shouldn't I be able to get the source repo by just adding -src? cuz that seems to 404: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7634407/ Err http://db.debconf.org wheezy/amd64/ Sources 404 Not Found |
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| 16:29.10 | albru123 | Any recommended small UPnP player? Thanks :) |
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| 16:30.46 | lamrz__ | hello everyone, how would you compare photorec with magicrescue and ext4magic? |
| 16:30.55 | lamrz__ | which one is more powerful? |
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| 16:34.15 | jmcnaught | lamrz__: you've asked this question a few times. what you should do is try them both. If you are working on a copy of the damaged volume, there's no harm in using one and then the other. |
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| 16:34.56 | lamrz__ | jmcnaught, true, it's the first time I got an answer, that's why |
| 16:35.12 | lamrz__ | jmcnaught, it's not a damaged but a deleted volume |
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| 16:36.07 | jmcnaught | lamrz__: ok well, if nobody answers a very general question like that it's usually a sign that you should try it on your own or use a search engine. |
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| 16:36.49 | lamrz__ | jmcnaught, I dont think it's a problem with the nature of the question..and my repeated questions were with hours between them |
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| 16:38.40 | lamrz__ | now, I wish to resume to my topics. |
| 16:38.58 | lamrz__ | I've already recovered some files with photorec |
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| 16:40.37 | lamrz__ | but as it works, the visible filenames in folder dont necessarily match the content in them. can I somehow view headers etc..of the files in a folder to see if they are really what they seem to be? |
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| 16:41.09 | lamrz__ | I mean without checking the files one by one, as they are many |
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| 16:46.03 | jmcnaught | lamrz__: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec_FAQ#How_to_get_the_original_filenames_.3F it doesn't seem like photorec is able to recover filenames most of the time |
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| 16:49.36 | lamrz__ | jmcnaught, no, it doesn't, and it gives files new names. therefore I need a command that can show for ex. the headers or any identifying data about the genuine type of content in the file. |
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| 16:50.16 | lamrz__ | i.e. doing this kind of list for files in a folder |
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| 16:52.06 | lamrz__ | or, in other words, if, for ex, there is html content from a file is pasted into an .odt file by photorec, would there be a command that shows html headers, and let me know that it is not an .odt file? |
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| 16:53.32 | jmcnaught | lamrz__: i don't know? is there a photorec support forum/channel/list? |
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| 16:56.23 | lamrz__ | jmcnaught, thank you for your time and help. my questions are meant to be posed for the whole channel. |
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| 16:57.22 | lamrz__ | hence, "I dont know" is more than a fair answer. |
| 16:57.27 | dondelelcaro | lamrz__: the command that reads file contents and figures out what type of file it is is 'file'... |
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| 16:58.25 | neo1691 | Is there a way to know the ip address of my laptop if I am connected to a wireless network using the command line |
| 16:58.42 | dondelelcaro | neo1691: ip |
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| 16:58.57 | neo1691 | thanks I will try |
| 16:59.00 | dondelelcaro | !what is my ip |
| 16:59.01 | dpkg | To get your IP address: /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or /sbin/ifconfig -a | awk '/inet addr:/{sub("addr:","");print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
| 16:59.50 | lamrz__ | dondelelcaro, I tried "file", but it seems to read the file type as it appears in folder. this is the problem I mentioned. the file types dont necessarily signify the contents in them. for ex. "file" command shows all files in folder as "text/plain" when indeed there were pastes from html files, arising from the work-wise of photorec for some files |
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| 17:00.19 | dondelelcaro | lamrz__: file reads the file and attempts to figure out what the mime type of the file is |
| 17:00.31 | dondelelcaro | lamrz__: an HTML file is by definition also a text/plain file |
| 17:01.56 | dondelelcaro | lamrz__: but file is fully capable of identifying HTML files which are actually HTML files, just as it can identify CSS files, etc. |
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| 17:06.09 | whomp | how can i see *all* processes running on the machine? like, every every single process |
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| 17:06.20 | DelphiWorld | hi debianists |
| 17:06.27 | DelphiWorld | my apt is asking me toactivate APT::Force-LoopBreak |
| 17:06.30 | DelphiWorld | how to use APT::Force-LoopBreak ? |
| 17:06.38 | DelphiWorld | due to sysvini temporary removal |
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| 17:08.06 | jmcnaught | whomp: "ps aux" |
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| 17:08.22 | whomp | jmcnaught, that returns different results depending on whether i'm sudo or not |
| 17:08.25 | petern_ | DelphiWorld, why are you removing sysvinit? |
| 17:08.39 | whomp | so it's not guaranteed to return all processes |
| 17:08.58 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: care to pastebin the full log of that apt command, including the command itself? Which Debian release? |
| 17:09.16 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: i'm on wheezy going to sid for some testing, hold on |
| 17:09.22 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: the apt cmd is upgrade |
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| 17:10.14 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: apt-get dist-upgrade might or might not work better in this case. (Also you probably already know once you go sid, there's no going back) |
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| 17:12.02 | jmcnaught | whomp: what is the different between the two results? |
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| 17:12.11 | lamrz__ | dondelelcaro, it is ok with files which appear actually as 'html's and have matching content, but I'd like to detect text files that contain 'html' |
| 17:12.24 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/KmdntSC8 |
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| 17:12.36 | lamrz__ | and asking whether headers or anything can be useful for it? |
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| 17:14.43 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: alirght, I can decipher that due to context, but can you please prepend LC_ALL=C or run things after an "export LC_ALL=C" to get messages in proper English |
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| 17:15.11 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: lol, simply: please activate the option APT::Force-LoopBreak |
| 17:15.21 | jelly-home | !APT::Force-LoopBreak |
| 17:15.24 | jelly-home | erm. |
| 17:15.28 | jelly-home | !Force-LoopBreak |
| 17:15.28 | dpkg | 'apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade'. Fix suggested by xk. Then you can remove or purge outdated packages after the upgrade. if you are getting this message about e2fsproogs, ask me about <e2fsprogs loop> |
| 17:15.30 | petern_ | You need dist-upgrade to go from wheezy to sid, I'm pretty sure. |
| 17:15.35 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: to be able to early remove sysvini |
| 17:15.53 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: I'd strongly suggest trying a dist-upgrade first. |
| 17:16.08 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: lol this is distupgrade, not upgrade, stupid me |
| 17:16.13 | jelly-home | oh! |
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| 17:16.40 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: just for fun, what happens if you go to jessie instead of sid? |
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| 17:16.59 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: lol, what apt line i must use? |
| 17:17.39 | whomp | jmcnaught, sudo gives way more results |
| 17:17.39 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: change sources.list to jessie instead of sid, rerun an update, then go with "LC_ALL=C apt-get -s dist-upgrade", then if it looks sane remove that "-s" |
| 17:17.40 | dondelelcaro | lamrz__: find . -type f -print0|xargs grep -l html; |
| 17:17.50 | dondelelcaro | lamrz__: man grep; man find; for details |
| 17:17.53 | whomp | i assume the other user doesn't have permissions to see sudo created processes? |
| 17:18.07 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell DelphiWorld about wheezy->jessie |
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| 17:18.18 | jmcnaught | whomp: when i run "ps aux | wc -l" on two different terminals (one as root, one as regular user) i get the same amount |
| 17:18.29 | whomp | jmcnaught, idk what to say |
| 17:18.44 | whomp | it's debian wheezy |
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| 17:19.28 | whomp | jmcnaught, run the command with sudo before it |
| 17:19.36 | whomp | and start up a process using sudo |
| 17:19.50 | jmcnaught | whomp: i use su, don't have sudo installed |
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| 17:20.54 | petern_ | Do you get the same discrepancy with top? |
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| 17:21.29 | DelphiWorld | lol jelly-home |
| 17:21.34 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: fixed it by adding: |
| 17:21.44 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: apt-get -u -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade |
| 17:22.29 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: I'd reserve the epithet "fixed" until that command finishes successfully and leaves you with a bootable system! |
| 17:22.40 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: repost what you just sayd, i cleared my log;) |
| 17:23.03 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: don't say "fixed" until that command finishes successfully and leaves you with a bootable system |
| 17:23.09 | petern_ | Forcing things generally unfixes... |
| 17:23.32 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: ;-) |
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| 17:24.39 | petern_ | whomp, do you get the same discrepancy with top? |
| 17:24.53 | whomp | petern_, yep |
| 17:24.55 | whomp | super weird |
| 17:25.06 | petern_ | Some selinux/etc policy? |
| 17:25.17 | whomp | my system was incredibly slow because crons were stacking, so that may have influenced something |
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| 17:27.26 | lamrz__ | dondelelcaro, thank you. I tried this command already. what I asked for was different. |
| 17:27.35 | jmcnaught | whomp: is this possibly on a VPS? |
| 17:27.51 | whomp | jmcnaught, dedicated but on dreamhost, an evil hosting company |
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| 17:28.15 | dondelelcaro | lamrz__: you asked for files which contain the phrase html... what else do you want? |
| 17:28.17 | whomp | so they may have booted the server with the --evil flag, causing all types of shit to go wrong as usual |
| 17:28.32 | dondelelcaro | lamrz__: you can try to search for files which contain tags or may have valid XML using grep too, if you want. |
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| 17:30.31 | jmcnaught | whomp: i helped a friend with a dreamhost semi-managed server once, and if I recall it had apparmor or grsecurity installed (or maybe it was selinux, it was a while back).. could that be the case? |
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| 17:30.55 | whomp | jmcnaught, idk |
| 17:31.07 | whomp | fortunately the processes poppped up eventually |
| 17:31.13 | whomp | so it's all good, ty for the adbice |
| 17:31.14 | whomp | advice |
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| 17:31.56 | jmcnaught | whomp: might be worth checking with dreamhost support to see if they have any clues, but at least it's working now :) |
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| 17:33.19 | whomp | yep :) |
| 17:33.22 | jmcnaught | lamrz__: have you tried testdisk? |
| 17:35.53 | jubolog2 | I tried the 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb count=1' trick with my USB hard drive but Windows wasn't into formatting the disk |
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| 17:37.26 | jelly-home | jubolog2: problems in Windows are better asked in ##windows channel |
| 17:37.30 | jubolog2 | writing a lot of zeros didn't help either |
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| 17:38.06 | jaakkos | jubolog2: do you want to be able to read and write files in both linux and windows? |
| 17:38.23 | jubolog2 | jaakkos: yes |
| 17:38.32 | jaakkos | jubolog2: apt-get install gparted ntfsprogs |
| 17:38.48 | jaakkos | jubolog2: open gparted and select the device. create new msdos partition table. create a partition and format it as ntfs. |
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| 17:39.12 | jaakkos | jubolog2: hmm, in debian testing there is only ntfs-3g these days, install that instead of ntfsprogs. |
| 17:39.39 | lamrz__ | dondelelcaro, many thanks, I will try it. |
| 17:39.43 | jubolog2 | I remove ntfsprogs |
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| 17:39.53 | jubolog2 | but I'm not on testing |
| 17:40.06 | jaakkos | jubolog2: you can mount in linux using mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdX1 /mnt |
| 17:40.18 | jaakkos | jubolog2: don't need to remove ntfsprogs. |
| 17:40.21 | jaakkos | jubolog2: in fact you probably need it. |
| 17:40.28 | jaakkos | jubolog2: otherwise gparted can't format as ntfs. |
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| 17:40.50 | jaakkos | jubolog2: but you need ntfs-3g to mount it r/w. |
| 17:41.23 | jubolog2 | jaakkos: ok. I install both ntfsprogs and ntfs-3g |
| 17:41.26 | jaakkos | yes |
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| 17:42.32 | jaakkos | jubolog2: make sure you create the partition table as i described, otherwise (at least some versions of) windows will not see it. |
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| 17:44.35 | jubolog2 | jaakkos: FAT32 ? |
| 17:44.40 | jaakkos | jubolog2: go with ntfs |
| 17:44.45 | jubolog2 | 'k |
| 17:45.10 | jaakkos | jubolog2: heh, you mentioned ZFS earlier. only 1 issue left in zfsonlinux.org bug tracker before 0.6.3 release! nom nom nom |
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| 17:47.05 | jubolog2 | jaakkos: mounting it via automatic mount fails with "Daemon is inhibited" |
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| 17:47.16 | jubolog2 | He prlly needs some tequila shots.. |
| 17:47.31 | jubolog2 | I see if Windows7 can see it |
| 17:47.39 | jaakkos | jubolog2: hmm. i'm not sure about automatic mounting. i can't remember debian mounting anything automatically for me. |
| 17:48.21 | jubolog2 | Windows can see the partition |
| 17:49.40 | jubolog2 | I'm not sure what is and what it means "Daemon is inhibited" |
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| 17:50.35 | jubolog2 | jaakkos: how do I mount it by hand with sudo ? |
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| 17:50.52 | jaakkos | mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdXY /mnt |
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| 17:54.37 | nubcake | Hello, which architecture of debian would i have to use with an intel core2quad q6700? ia64 or amd64 ? |
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| 17:54.52 | jmcnaught | nubcake: amd64 |
| 17:54.59 | nubcake | jmcnaught, thank you |
| 17:55.30 | nubcake | so ia64 is for server cpu's or what is that arch. good for? :) |
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| 17:55.57 | jmcnaught | nubcake: ia64 is for Itanium processors, a totally different type of CPU |
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| 17:56.03 | nubcake | oh i see :) |
| 17:56.24 | nubcake | thanks for the information |
| 17:56.40 | jubolog2 | got it.. big thanks jaakkos. I store the mount command in my commands.txt goodie file |
| 17:57.12 | jubolog2 | jaakkos: one more thing.. How can I make it mount under /mnt/backupdisk ? |
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| 17:57.24 | jubolog2 | if I try that it says that the "thing" doesn't exist |
| 17:57.57 | jaakkos | jubolog2: you have to mkdir /mnt/backupdisk first |
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| 17:58.15 | jubolog2 | jaakkos: ait.. got it |
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| 17:59.33 | nubcake | if i put /, /usr and /home on a 40gb ssd, what would the recommended partition size for each be ? (root 20gb, /usr and home 10 ?) |
| 18:00.00 | nubcake | the rest of the data e.g. /home/user and such goes to a bigger hdd drive |
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| 18:01.23 | nubcake | oh and where would i put swap ? |
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| 18:03.59 | martines | it depends what you want to do, if you prefer speed and you aren't a maniac about ssd's lifetime then swap on ssd |
| 18:04.11 | ahuemer | hi all. i get these expired messages and don't know what to do this them |
| 18:04.15 | ahuemer | E: Release file for http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/InRelease is expired (invalid since 23d 2h 57min 55s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 18:04.19 | ahuemer | E: Release file for http://security.debian.org/dists/jessie/updates/InRelease is expired (invalid since 23d 0h 19min 33s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
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| 18:05.38 | nubcake | martines, i prefer speed, yes, and i dont worry about that ssd's lifetime since its an old 40gb one i have just laying around here |
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| 18:06.47 | nubcake | martines, so swap goes to the ssd, i guess i should put / and /home there too? but i'm not sure about how big each partition has to be |
| 18:06.52 | jelly-home | ahuemer: 1) jessie does not get security yet, you can comment that one out 2) pick a different main repository, perhaps the http.debian.net redirector |
| 18:08.16 | jelly-home | !tell ahuemer about http.debian.net |
| 18:08.29 | revolve | I just used "bind -o dev /dev /srv/users/dev" <== How can I express this in /etc/fstab? |
| 18:08.59 | ahuemer | jelly-home: thanks for the answer. now i get the following |
| 18:09.01 | ahuemer | E: Release file for http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/InRelease is expired (invalid since 23d 3h 7min 18s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
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| 18:10.08 | jelly-home | revolve: /dev /srv/users/dev none rw,bind 0 0 |
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| 18:11.05 | jelly-home | ahuemer: interesting. Why did you ftp.debian.org btw? |
| 18:11.17 | revolve | thank you |
| 18:11.36 | ahuemer | E: Release file for http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie-updates/InRelease is expired (invalid since 23d 3h 9min 36s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 18:11.40 | ahuemer | strange |
| 18:11.59 | jelly-home | revolve: I assume you meant mount -o bind /dev /srv/users/dev |
| 18:12.13 | ahuemer | well, i had ftp.at.debian.org initially. after i noticed problems i just tried ftp.debian.org |
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| 18:13.12 | ahuemer | oups, my clock is completely off |
| 18:13.12 | jelly-home | ahuemer: what does "date" say? |
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| 18:13.15 | jelly-home | heh |
| 18:13.21 | ahuemer | Sat Jul 12 20:13:11 CEST 2014 |
| 18:13.31 | jelly-home | you live in the future. |
| 18:13.34 | ahuemer | i think that's the root of the problem |
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| 18:14.07 | jelly-home | ahuemer: I need eurojackpot numbers for last week of June please! |
| 18:14.21 | ahuemer | :) |
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| 18:15.35 | jerware | moin |
| 18:15.46 | jerware | -su: gcc: command not found |
| 18:15.55 | ahuemer | surprise, surprise. aptitude update works now |
| 18:16.02 | ahuemer | thanks for the help |
| 18:16.17 | ahuemer | cu jelly-home, #debian |
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| 18:16.24 | jelly-home | waves |
| 18:16.41 | jerware | would someone be so kind and post a plentifull sources.list? |
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| 18:16.51 | jelly-home | jerware: which debian release? |
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| 18:17.12 | jerware | a 32 bit version of the latest one. How can I determine the release ? |
| 18:17.21 | jelly-home | !debian suite |
| 18:17.21 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 18:17.35 | jerware | wheezy |
| 18:17.49 | jerware | 7.5 |
| 18:17.51 | jelly-home | jerware: alright, read /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
| 18:18.14 | ccb4n | i'm trying to re-install debian over a previous installation that used encryption, and want to preserve the /home partition but am not sure how to do it. there's just this 21.2GB partition you can see but no filesystems are detected on it because it's encrypted. how can i do this? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/46GfLzcIMQYZ.png |
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| 18:21.14 | jelly-home | ccb4n: what does blkid say about that sda5 partition? Ctrl-Alt-F3 will switch to a console (if I remember correctly) |
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| 18:22.33 | ccb4n | jelly-home: it says this https://cdn.mediacru.sh/HiGQVKg659pi.png |
| 18:22.49 | ccb4n | forgive me since it's crunchbang but the same installer |
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| 18:25.50 | madsara | Hey gang, I'm having this problem when trying to print from a remote machine to my debian cups server. http://dpaste.com/0KX0ABM |
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| 18:26.31 | madsara | I can print locally fine, I've updated mime.types and mime.convs, but think it may have something to do with my locale. LANG="en_US.utf8" on the sending machine, can't seem to get Debian to be set to anything but "en_US" |
| 18:26.42 | madsara | Any thoughts? |
| 18:27.21 | jmcnaught | ccb4n: if i recall correctly the debian installer can detect encrypted volumes are prompt for the passphrase. However if you're using crunchbang you should get support from crunchbang. If you want support from #debian you should use Debian :) |
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| 18:31.15 | carbon_ | Does anyone know about mounting ext2 compressed filesystem (e2compr) on debian? |
| 18:31.29 | carbon_ | I get a return exception from e2tools that state compression is not supported. |
| 18:32.12 | mjt | ext*fs compression has never been implemented upstream |
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| 18:32.52 | mjt | some 3rd party patches for very old kernels (like 2.2) has been written but nothing more thn that. |
| 18:32.55 | carbon_ | mjt: I am sitting on an image that has the e2compr patch implemented into the file-system... so I should just plug this C/F card back into its box and work on that direct. |
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| 18:33.11 | carbon_ | Thanks, mjt. |
| 18:33.15 | carbon_ | Are you the same MJT from SDF? |
| 18:33.28 | mjt | sdf? |
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| 18:33.50 | carbon_ | One of the sysadmins on sdf.ORG Public Access Unix System goes by MJT. |
| 18:33.58 | jelly-home | ccb4n: no idea. you could try opening the luks container manually with "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 crypt5" and see if your installer recognizes the unencrypted device. Please use ##linux for further help. |
| 18:34.15 | mjt | no, that's different mjt, carbon_ :) |
| 18:34.33 | waynr | carbon_: sdf++ |
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| 18:38.22 | codekK | Hello, i need a little help im trying a setup a virtuabox server for web development. But it seems doesnt work setfacl: prueba/: Operation not supported - I follow debian wiki (https://wiki.debian.org/Permissions) and i remount my root directory with acl :S |
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| 18:42.19 | jelly-home | dpkg: irc stats is <reply>see debstats |
| 18:42.19 | dpkg | jelly-home: okay |
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| 18:50.08 | wjtaylor | Should I be able to see files on my desktop that are in my Desktop dir? |
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| 18:52.07 | Brigo | wjtaylor, yes, you should be able |
| 18:52.44 | wjtaylor | Brigo, any idea why Gnome3 wouldn't? |
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| 18:53.40 | Brigo | wjtaylor, did you talking about icons in your desktop? |
| 18:53.55 | wjtaylor | Brigo: yes |
| 18:54.12 | wjtaylor | I saved a ods file to my desktop, but it doesn't display |
| 18:54.12 | Brigo | gnome 3 way of life :) |
| 18:54.23 | Brigo | try the archive manager. |
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| 18:54.33 | Brigo | file manager, sorry |
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| 18:54.43 | wjtaylor | Brigo: Is that the intended behavior? |
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| 18:54.59 | Brigo | yes it is, nobody likes it but ... |
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| 18:55.29 | Brigo | i use mate, a fork of gnome2, bacause that kind of things |
| 18:55.36 | wjtaylor | wow. Between wheezy and gnome 3... this sucks |
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| 18:55.48 | wjtaylor | really?! |
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| 18:56.11 | Brigo | really what? |
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| 18:56.23 | wjtaylor | I was using gnome fallback... it wasn't bad, but then an update corrupted my login and... well long story |
| 18:56.38 | Brigo | are you using wheezy? |
| 18:56.46 | smyers | wjtaylor, gnome-tweak-tool offers the ability to change the desktop behavior to waht you're expecting |
| 18:56.46 | wjtaylor | A fork of Gnome2 ... G2 is was better IMO |
| 18:56.58 | smyers | (If I understand what you expect, at least) |
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| 18:57.25 | Brigo | wjtaylor, mate is in backports (i think) |
| 18:57.38 | formorer | Brigo: you are right |
| 18:57.44 | wjtaylor | smyers: Brigo: wheezy |
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| 18:58.00 | Brigo | ,v mate-desktop |
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| 18:58.02 | judd | Package: mate-desktop on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1; sid: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1 |
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| 18:58.16 | Brigo | yes, it is in wheezy-backports |
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| 18:58.26 | smyers | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 18:58.30 | Brigo | wjtaylor, you can install it from there. |
| 18:58.52 | wjtaylor | smyers: I would like menus (but I just noticed the applications menu under activities... and I would like to see files saved in the Desktop dir... well... on the desktop.... |
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| 18:59.49 | tdn | Can I use regular debian on a raspberrypi, or do I have to use the raspbian? |
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| 19:00.14 | iateadonut | i'd like to give my children a computer. is there a good GUI program that blocks ALL websites and then allows a whitelist? |
| 19:00.23 | Brigo | wjtaylor, did you have backports actived? |
| 19:00.28 | jelly-home | tdn: armel userspace would work with a suitable kernel |
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| 19:01.26 | tdn | jelly-home, I knew some of those words :) |
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| 19:02.14 | Brigo | iateadonut, i think there are some plugin for firefox in that direction. |
| 19:02.25 | tdn | jelly-home, you mean I cannot just download a debian arm installer and install debian wheezy from there? |
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| 19:02.57 | tdn | iateadonut, you can use the Firefox plugin: Customer Firefox. |
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| 19:03.04 | tdn | iateadonut, Customize Firefox even. |
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| 19:03.12 | jelly-home | tdn: debian builds stuff for very old ARM cpus under the "armel" architecture, and optimized for somewhat less old ARM cpus under "armhf" architecture. r.pi is too old for armhf, and armel does not use all its capabilities. |
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| 19:03.51 | iateadonut | wouldn't they just be able to remove the add-on? |
| 19:04.03 | ted20 | Why ekiga still doesn't work (I'm without NAT) :( How to debug it? |
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| 19:04.18 | ted20 | I see only unauthorized |
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| 19:05.17 | jelly-home | tdn: raspbian got created because debian's armel build was suboptimal on that already sluggish and old CPU |
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| 19:06.20 | jelly-home | tdn: I have no idea how debian's installer works on ARM devices, given that each device is wildly different from others |
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| 19:06.31 | tdn | iateadonut, yes and no. Yes, if your kids are so advanced they can do that, you will not be able to contain them anyway (and should probably not try). No, because it can be started up in a kiosk mode that can only be disabled from outside of firefox (meaning you have to close it and change some config and start it again), and you can set their X login session to *be* the firefox session. So if they quit firefox, they are logged out. |
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| 19:07.43 | tdn | jelly-home, ok. But does raspbian "work" like real debian in the way that it can use the same software mirrors and gets security updates from security.d.o? |
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| 19:08.06 | jelly-home | tdn: no, it does not. They have to rebuild _everything_. |
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| 19:08.27 | jelly-home | tdn: best to ask raspbian people about how they handle security issues. |
| 19:08.34 | jelly-home | has no idea |
| 19:08.34 | tdn | jelly-home, oh, ok. |
| 19:08.41 | tdn | jelly-home, thanks for clearing that up. |
| 19:08.47 | petern_ | I think they loosely track Jessie. |
| 19:09.09 | petern_ | Hmm, maybe Wheezy. |
| 19:09.33 | petern_ | Yeah, Wheezy. |
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| 19:44.56 | chdrsto | Hi folks. Does somebody have experience with systemd on Debian? |
| 19:45.33 | rudi_s | !ask |
| 19:45.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:45.38 | rudi_s | chdrsto: ^ |
| 19:46.10 | chdrsto | thanks ... |
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| 19:52.47 | ignatenkobrain_l | hi there |
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| 19:54.54 | ignatenkobrain_l | I mean http://spdx.org/licenses/CC0-1.0 |
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| 20:02.04 | weaktea | j #reddit-soccer |
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| 20:07.30 | designs | Hello All, am i at the main debian channel for help and suppot? |
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| 20:09.50 | jmcnaught | designs: this is a support channel for Debian, but the official one is #debian on irc.oftc.net. You're welcome to ask here or there |
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| 20:11.11 | designs | Awesome I need some help. Im comming for a windows pc right now because after following some video tutorials for debian I have been left with a blank curser. Let me explain.. |
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| 20:14.55 | designs | installed debian stable gnome ed, installed codecs, backports, added contib non free to sorcues.list, updated my kernel to 3.14. All when good untill I tried following the dude in the video to update my nivida card and after that I am left with a console upon boot. Heres the link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKs9MubGy1A |
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| 20:16.20 | designs | I followed everything in the video to the t, nothing more, nothing less. Know I dont know how to fix this issue |
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| 20:18.05 | jmcnaught | designs: sorry i don't think i can handle 11 minutes of that guy. when your computer starts up, does it have a login prompt? Earlier in the boot process do you get a GRUB screen allowing you to choose a different kernel? That might help you troubleshoot the issue |
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| 20:18.54 | designs | here is the last line before the issues began FYI: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx build-essential nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig |
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| 20:19.56 | designs | ues both the 3.2 kernel and 3.14(new one) brings me to a prompt after botting into grub menu to select my OS |
| 20:20.03 | designs | yes**** |
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| 20:20.20 | jmcnaught | designs: you probably also needed to create/modify xorg.conf, such as described here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure |
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| 20:22.48 | designs | will i be able to use that command from the prompt when I boot ? |
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| 20:23.46 | jmcnaught | designs: if you can login to your computer on the text mode prompt you should be able to. You'll need to be root to do it (using either "su" and the root password, or "sudo" and your regular user's password) |
| 20:24.00 | designs | just to be sure you mean these commands right: mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d AND echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 20:24.11 | designs | ? |
| 20:24.30 | jmcnaught | designs: yes |
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| 20:26.42 | designs | ok ill give this a go, i think this is def my issue here. Thank you very much for you help thus far. |
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| 20:53.53 | ninored | okok thx |
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| 20:59.48 | chalcedony | i want to upgrade and make a new debian drive. my internet connection here is slow. where do i need to go to get what i have have to have? |
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| 21:03.38 | chalcedony | is anyone here? |
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| 21:04.33 | peterS | no, you and I are the only users connected |
| 21:04.45 | hewge | and i am god |
| 21:05.04 | rryoumaa | chalcedony: make a new debian drive? |
| 21:05.07 | chalcedony | maybe someone can guide me a little? |
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| 21:05.31 | chalcedony | rryoumaa, i have a hard drive. i want to put debian on it |
| 21:05.51 | squisher | chalcedony: look at jigdo |
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| 21:06.17 | squisher | or you can download the debian cd/dvd set when you have a good connection |
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| 21:09.21 | beagleburt | G'day from New Zealand everyone |
| 21:09.22 | beagleburt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:11.35 | chalcedony | i pretty much need to tell my husband what to do. no variables |
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| 21:12.24 | cypherman | hi people |
| 21:12.45 | cypherman | is there anyway to copy a URL in lynx and then copy it to mutt?? |
| 21:13.18 | cypherman | anyone? |
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| 21:13.40 | ccb4n | chalcedony: there's no solution if you have a poor network connection other than to get on a good one and download what you need, then install it on yours |
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| 21:16.17 | beagleburt | <cypherman> G'day from New Zealand - what have you tried so far? |
| 21:16.45 | chalcedony | ccb4n, ok thank you :) |
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| 21:17.40 | squisher | beagleburt: I like dhcp. It's nice to have a central configuration and you can still assign static dhcp leases if needed |
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| 21:19.48 | chalcedony | how do i know what i need to get? |
| 21:19.54 | beagleburt | <squisher tku I was wondering if there was any security issues with dhcp versus static? (By the way I am a complete newbie to networking... |
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| 21:21.03 | albru123-phone | Is wine able to run only 32-bit SW by default? |
| 21:21.08 | squisher | beagleburt: there aren't any security issues -- only downside is that your network will stop working if the dhcp server is down |
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| 21:21.59 | tormen_ | Hi. I am getting crazy: I can ping 8.8.8.8, but if I put it as a nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf I can't ping www.google.com. I can reach the server via TCP, but I think "UDP is broken ;) ... anyone an idea on how I can confirm this ? |
| 21:22.05 | squisher | beagleburt: pretty much any home router does dhcp these days... but this is really getting a bit off-topic, you should ask ##networking for more help |
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| 21:23.00 | Cpuroast | tormen_: what about 8.8.4.4 |
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| 21:23.21 | hans_ | tormen nslookup crap.com - do u really use 8.8.8.8? |
| 21:23.31 | CriusXII | tormen: ping is part of TCP not UDP |
| 21:23.53 | beagleburt | squisher sorry ok tku I will join ##networking if - (WHEN!) - I need more advice TKU & GBU! |
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| 21:24.14 | tormen_ | Cpuroast: I tried different DNS servers |
| 21:24.47 | squisher | tormen_: turn on logging in your firewall? |
| 21:24.49 | tormen_ | hans_: nslookup is not installed |
| 21:25.15 | ccb4n | chalcedony: you need the cd image. do you know where to find it on the website? |
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| 21:25.57 | hans_ | tcpdump it, this is easy to read |
| 21:26.02 | chalcedony | ccb4n, there are so many different things on different sites.. it's confusing |
| 21:26.34 | chalcedony | https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ ccb4n i have this |
| 21:26.56 | ccb4n | chalcedony: what kind of computer is it? do you know if it's 32-bit or 64-bit processor? |
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| 21:27.18 | chalcedony | ccb4n, the one i'm on .. 64 bit (i got the wrong one last time) |
| 21:27.28 | tormen_ | I am seeing with tcpdump the UDP packets going out ASKING for the DNS entries... but I am not seeing any answer. |
| 21:27.29 | CriusXII | tormen_: seems like you're having issues resolving domain in your network config...are you using your own DNS caching server for DNS or are you using google's 8.8.8.8 to resolve? |
| 21:27.55 | ccb4n | chalcedony: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 21:28.01 | tormen_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:28.40 | ccb4n | chalcedony: you only need to download debian-7.5.0-amd64-CD-1.iso to be able to install debian |
| 21:28.41 | chalcedony | cc - if we use a dvd-r is there one that can just be downloaded? |
| 21:28.46 | squisher | chalcedony: is the computer using wireless? if so, you want to grab the cd with the firmware on it |
| 21:29.01 | ccb4n | chalcedony: yes you can download the dvd also, |
| 21:29.10 | squisher | tormen_: that definitely sounds like a firewall issue |
| 21:29.20 | chalcedony | squisher wired lan |
| 21:29.21 | ccb4n | chalcedony: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:29.38 | hans_ | squisher: ack |
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| 21:29.44 | tormen_ | squisher: but the firewall is ALLOW with no rules |
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| 21:29.49 | tormen_ | ;) |
| 21:30.09 | squisher | tormen_: is the computer directly connected? or a router in between? |
| 21:30.54 | tormen_ | squisher: Public IP with public IP router @hoster. |
| 21:31.29 | tormen_ | squisher: there is a webserver running. I can wget on the public IP from my home and I am getting the page from the server. |
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| 21:32.04 | tormen_ | squisher: on the server with the DNS problem : I tried also wget on an IP of a webserver and I got the page. |
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| 21:32.20 | tormen_ | squisher: I also tried ntpdate on an IP, this did NOT work (UDP again ;) |
| 21:32.26 | tormen_ | I don't get it. |
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| 21:33.25 | squisher | tormen_: possibly troubleshoot with your hoster; maybe they have a firewall? |
| 21:33.30 | hans_ | tormen_: check if your udp traffic is leaving your network nmap -u -Pn -p 53 8.8.8.8 | grep open |
| 21:33.49 | hans_ | if yes and u still got no answer u should srsly investigate your iptables |
| 21:33.52 | CriusXII | tormen_: did you do: "ifdown eth0" then "ifup eth0" after you made your DNS entry??? |
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| 21:34.23 | squisher | you can also run an iperf server to test udp connectivity |
| 21:34.26 | tormen_ | CriusXII: no, does one have to ? ... but I restarted ;) |
| 21:34.34 | squisher | CriusXII: that is NOT great advice for a remote machine |
| 21:34.44 | squisher | tormen_: no, you don't have to |
| 21:36.41 | CriusXII | hmmm...squisher is right about that not being good advice for a remote machine. |
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| 21:37.27 | CriusXII | but I thought you still need to activate the change |
| 21:38.12 | squisher | no, you don't, it'll work pretty much right away. AFAIK you don't even have to restart any programs |
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| 21:40.42 | CriusXII | getting a response from an IP and not from a domain tells me that is probably a resolving issue |
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| 21:41.14 | CriusXII | I can't see it being a firewall thing |
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| 21:48.37 | Mjbmr | Hi, How can I downgrade php from unstable to stable? |
| 21:49.13 | Mjbmr | ionCube is not working with php 5.6 |
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| 21:56.43 | tormen_ | CriusXII: I restarted the machine so that should do it, no ? |
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| 21:57.47 | CriusXII | tormen_: my thinking is: yes, that's where I'd start...but I didn't know you were working on a remote machine |
| 21:57.55 | tormen_ | hans_: I am actually able to sniff the traffic of the machine with another wireshark and I am seeing the ICMP ping/pong, I am seeing the UDP DNS REQUEST on the network, but I am not seeing any answer |
| 21:58.17 | tormen_ | CriusXII: No problem :) Thanks! |
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| 21:58.47 | tormen_ | I am contacting the hoster |
| 21:58.51 | tormen_ | :( |
| 21:58.58 | CriusXII | restarting the interface by rebooting or "ifdown then ifup" should apply the change/update |
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| 22:02.08 | CriusXII | tormen_: have you tried /etc/hosts ? |
| 22:02.19 | jmcnaught | Mjbmr: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_emergency_downgrading this might help you, but usually upgrades are a one-way street |
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| 22:02.54 | CriusXII | you may get away with a manual entry there without having to restart the interface |
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| 22:03.24 | CriusXII | it just may take a while for the cache to clear before the change takes place |
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| 22:11.33 | CriusXII | tormen_: I know it's not what you ultimately looking for, but you can add "8.8.8.8 google.com" to your /etc/hosts. The changes will be immediate. You can then try pinging google.com and run tcpdump to see if you're at least having the same issue. If your ping works, then it may actually NOT be a 'resolution' issue. |
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| 22:12.30 | CriusXII | correction "resolving" not "resolution" (sry) |
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| 22:13.09 | nubcake | hello, i accidently set the desktop scaling to something very huge, now i cant get it back to normal.. any way to re-set that to default ? |
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| 22:15.47 | CriusXII | tormen: then once you eliminate that possibility, you can remove that entry from /etc/hosts. I'd just try it for sake of process of elimination. |
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| 22:16.15 | tormen_ | CriusXII: hosts is vanilla Debian |
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| 22:16.42 | tormen_ | nubcake: define "the desktop scaling" |
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| 22:18.11 | nubcake | well i was in that menu, where you can set the minimize and maximize window controls to on and off, there was also some kind of +/- thing with the possibility to also set numerical values, i accidently hit the + and boom, my desktop is now only showing 1/4th of its regular |
| 22:18.15 | tormen_ | I contacted the hoster with a screenshot from wireshark showing the traffic coming from and going to the machine (and IP ) in question.... lets see :) |
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| 22:18.25 | nubcake | looks like it zoomed |
| 22:18.44 | tormen_ | nubcake: "Well I was in that menu" :)) |
| 22:18.59 | Brigo | mmm creo que voy a tener que configurar el ruter, y no mola nada. |
| 22:19.10 | CriusXII | tormen_: ok cool. yeah, DNS can be a pain...especially when you're remote. |
| 22:19.31 | nubcake | tormen_: i cant get it back, since i only see 1/4th of the desktop |
| 22:19.52 | tormen_ | nubcake: KDE? GNOME? What menu are talking about ? |
| 22:20.02 | nubcake | cant scroll through apps either since i dont see the bottom or right on my screen, i'm on gnome |
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| 22:22.04 | CriusXII | nubcake: look into "xrandr" command |
| 22:22.14 | tormen_ | nubcake: ME=$(whoami); sudo mv /home/$ME /home/$ME.OLD; sudo mkdir /home/$ME; sudo chown $ME: /home/$ME; sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 22:22.49 | tormen_ | in a console (tty2 for instance) |
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| 22:23.03 | tormen_ | ... or if you can like CriusXII said :) |
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| 22:24.12 | dimitry7 | Hi guys. I have a debian server which was connected directly to the Internet with a public IP. I think something happened because there are a lot of ssh and weird processes like "dsfrefr" |
| 22:24.28 | CriusXII | nubcake: seems you accidently decreased your resolution |
| 22:24.34 | dimitry7 | which make it really slow. Also my crontab is full of rare lines I did not put on it. |
| 22:24.42 | dimitry7 | what should I do? |
| 22:24.46 | deepy | How do I install gnome-keyring:i386? libgcr-3-common:i386 doesn't have any installation candidations (wheezy amd64) |
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| 22:26.10 | nubcake | tormen_: that didnt work :( |
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| 22:26.47 | nubcake | CriusXII: are you sure? since the mouse pointer also acts kind of "offset" i have to click above something to actually hit it |
| 22:26.56 | CriusXII | nubcake: what is the output when you type "xrandr" ? |
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| 22:27.49 | CriusXII | nubcake: I would start there to see if you're at least at your max resolution and not your smallest possible one |
| 22:28.00 | ikarus | oh, gah, Debian's Wacom support is appaerently ancient :( |
| 22:28.39 | ctmjr | dimitry7: disconnect it from the internet then make a backup of it for later forensic's then wipe the drive and reinstall (if your 100% sure it has been hacked) |
| 22:29.23 | nubcake | CriusXII: it says im on 1280x1024 (which is max) |
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| 22:30.06 | CriusXII | nubcake: sounds like you're about to have some fun then....hmmm |
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| 22:30.34 | nubcake | if i only knew the command to reopen that menu.. |
| 22:30.53 | nubcake | since i cant scroll through the app drawer |
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| 22:31.13 | dimitry7 | ctmjr, okay man, perfect! It happens everytime I leave a server with a direct Internet connection... |
| 22:31.20 | dimitry7 | aren't they robots? |
| 22:31.26 | dimitry7 | or bots |
| 22:32.06 | ctmjr | dimitry7: i have no idea what or who has infected your computer |
| 22:32.13 | xmj | fireglow: is trying to run debian inside bhyve |
| 22:32.25 | jmcnaught | nubcake: are you talking about the accessibility menu (in the top bar beside volume control?) |
| 22:32.31 | xmj | does he need to modprobe any specific modules for virtio support, or are those loaded by default? |
| 22:32.33 | fireglow | hi, yes, I'm stuck at the network configuration |
| 22:33.07 | nubcake | jmcnaught: i dont really know if it is that one, since i started it through the app drawer, the first tab was about privacy, to turn on/off the name display and such |
| 22:33.59 | nubcake | but i was looking for an option to add the minimize and maximize buttons to the window controls, so i kept looking and found it in some other tab of that settings window (where i also accidently clicked that + which changed the zoom/scale of my desktop) |
| 22:34.47 | xmj | fireglow: what debian version are you running on? |
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| 22:35.08 | xmj | fireglow: do you happen to have 'virtio-modules' installed ? |
| 22:35.13 | CriusXII | nubcake: can you try changing the resolution real quick (down one setting) then changing it back to your max resolution? |
| 22:35.19 | fireglow | xmj: debian 7.5 |
| 22:35.36 | nubcake | CriusXII: i'm not that good with xrandr yet :/ |
| 22:35.38 | fireglow | xmj: no, nothing installed |
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| 22:36.16 | fireglow | xmj: the virtio_net mod is loaded |
| 22:36.39 | mentor | nubcake: The HiDPI setting maube? |
| 22:36.42 | mentor | y |
| 22:36.47 | nubcake | mentor: yes !!! |
| 22:36.50 | nubcake | exactly that |
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| 22:37.43 | dimitry7 | ctmjr, okay this is the rare files in crontab: http://pastebin.com/Cygg9V0i |
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| 22:39.18 | nubcake | i just cant figure, how to reset that hidpi setting to default.. :( |
| 22:40.18 | ctmjr | nubcake: try xrandr --dpi 96x96 or is it just 96 |
| 22:40.51 | nubcake | i think it is on 96x96 since nothing happened after entering that command |
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| 22:42.38 | mentor | dconf reset org.gnome.desktop.interface.scaling-factor |
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| 22:43.27 | nubcake | error: dconf path must begin with a slash |
| 22:44.02 | mentor | Change out the dots |
| 22:45.35 | nubcake | error: connection closed |
| 22:45.37 | CriusXII | nubcake: mentor seems to be on the right path...I'm also looking into the "gsettings" and "dconf-editor" commands |
| 22:45.55 | CriusXII | "dconf-editor" is the gui I guess |
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| 22:46.17 | nubcake | 1 sec. it seems i can open the gui one |
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| 22:46.52 | mentor | When it happened to me my input didn't get remapped, so I had to guess where to click |
| 22:47.26 | nubcake | mentor: same here.. kinda hard sometimes |
| 22:47.41 | CriusXII | I still don't know what to think about Gnome3 yet... |
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| 22:47.46 | mentor | Hence the command line |
| 22:47.55 | mentor | I know exactly what I think of GNOME 3 |
| 22:48.07 | CriusXII | I like it as much as I dislike it. |
| 22:48.16 | CriusXII | mentor: you like it???? haha |
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| 22:48.57 | mentor | Er… |
| 22:49.37 | CriusXII | Mr. Torvalds dispises it I guess |
| 22:49.52 | mentor | refrains from commenting further |
| 22:50.33 | CriusXII | nubcake: any luck? |
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| 22:50.39 | nubcake | not yet :( |
| 22:50.47 | nubcake | trying to find the scaling option |
| 22:51.41 | mentor | The command line tool might be easier |
| 22:51.43 | nubcake | which key allows me to change that value ? |
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| 22:52.04 | nubcake | mentor: it allways tells me some errors, either slash needed, or connection close or such |
| 22:52.09 | mentor | hands v10 a / |
| 22:52.12 | nubcake | :D |
| 22:52.25 | mentor | nubcake: And what happened when you tried to fix them? |
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| 22:52.42 | nubcake | when i added slashes |
| 22:52.47 | nubcake | it told me connection closed. |
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| 22:53.08 | mentor | Are you running it from within an X session? |
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| 22:53.42 | nubcake | mentor: i'm logged into my f*ed up desktop, yes |
| 22:53.46 | mentor | Actually, that shouldn't be necessary |
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| 22:54.23 | asmodeus | Hi. I'm running a fresh install of 7.5 with the xfce4 desktop. Is there a panel volume control that I can install that just drops down a slider instead of opening a big mixer window? xfc4-mixer puts the applet in the panel, but clicking it lauches a near full screen mixer window instead of just a little slider. kmix seems to do the same thing. Any ideas? |
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| 23:21.13 | maxxx | http://pastebin.com/q1vf8kjq |
| 23:21.17 | maxxx | is that normal |
| 23:21.27 | maxxx | i changed to .123 and it says i'm bound to .5 |
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| 23:39.03 | boov | hi niggers |
| 23:39.10 | boov | why do woman want to be raped? |
| 23:39.21 | boov | why they ask for it |
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| 23:40.11 | boov | ? |
| 23:40.14 | petn-randall | !ops boov |
| 23:40.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: boov |
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| 23:40.25 | boov | lol |
| 23:40.31 | boov | holocaust NEVER happened |
| 23:40.33 | boov | its a myth |
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| 23:41.07 | twiceaday | hi all! |
| 23:41.21 | maxxx | why was boov banned and kicked? |
| 23:41.41 | maxxx | what he said was 100% true |
| 23:41.48 | twiceaday | i have a simple problem two servers, both with debian and i am trying to copy file over scp, what happenes is that i get terrible 20kb/s speed. |
| 23:41.59 | twiceaday | if someone would be so kind to tell me what could be cause |
| 23:44.02 | somiaj | twiceaday: there is a little overhead in encryption of the data, but do you have any bottlenecks on the drive and can only write so fast? |
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| 23:44.44 | somiaj | but bottle necks if they are not network bandwitch, could be write speed to the drive (and anything on the system that would slow that down) but at that slow I would look at network speeds first |
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| 23:47.39 | twiceaday | disk is fast |
| 23:48.11 | twiceaday | somiaj: what do you mean by looking at network speed? |
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| 23:49.54 | somiaj | twiceaday: the actual network speeds, such as are they on the same local network, or are they on different networks. Some isp limit upload speed to about 20kb/s |
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| 23:50.31 | somiaj | I thinkt hat is what my cable network use to max out at when uploading |
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| 23:50.47 | somiaj | well internet connenction. |
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| 23:54.38 | twiceaday | somiaj: this is dedicated server hosting, limiting speed to 20kb / s would be crazy |
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| 23:56.25 | somiaj | I'm just going over basic places to start looking. you don't have any major cpu spikes during the wait. You can use things like iotop to see input/output speeds |
| 23:57.09 | somiaj | you could also look at a traceroute between the two servers see if maybe it runs though somethign slowing you down |
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