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| 00:13.22 | chrisirc | Packages qbzr and bzr-explorer both don't contain a single executable file, nor do they contain any man page. |
| 00:13.56 | chrisirc | What the h* are those meant to do? The package desc hints at command line startable tools, GUI even, but then they don't contain any? |
| 00:14.37 | chrisirc | I'm looking for an equivalent of "gitk --all" for bzr repositories. Any suggestion? |
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| 00:17.24 | chrisirc | Jeeez, examining the package file list of bzr-explorer yields a .desktop file, and that contains a hint: "bzr explorer" |
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| 00:18.17 | chrisirc | No such luck with qbzr |
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| 00:19.09 | chrisirc | They just *presume* that one runs "bzr" and know they are plugins? |
| 00:19.17 | chrisirc | shakes head |
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| 00:20.08 | chrisirc | "Bazaar Explorer Version Control for Human Beings" |
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| 00:23.59 | chrisirc | Let me restart differently: I want to get at the changes done to "apt" for the recent security update. |
| 00:24.56 | chrisirc | The sid package has apt advertized in a git repository, no problem for me to get it, but it doesn't contain any changes related to the security update. |
| 00:25.57 | chrisirc | The wheezy package points to a bzr repo, which redirects to another url, which 404's, but a parent directory contains a wheezy subfolder which suggests would contain the changes. |
| 00:26.32 | chrisirc | Now when I bzr clone, it seems to only get one branch, but maybe I just don't know enough about bzr and how to list all branches. Anyway that single branch doesn't contain recent changes either. |
| 00:26.37 | chrisirc | So, any ideas? |
| 00:26.59 | zro | im confused about PFS of apache 2 in wheezy. is stable patched to support ECDHE? |
| 00:28.33 | themill | chrisirc: at some stage, grabbing the two source packages and looking at them with diff is easier. |
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| 00:29.12 | chrisirc | themill, yes, I was thinking about that, how do I get the previous source package version, though? |
| 00:29.52 | themill | snapshot.d.o |
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| 00:30.00 | chrisirc | Ah |
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| 00:32.16 | chrisirc | I've already spent almost 2 hours on this, just trying to get more info about the issue. |
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| 00:33.49 | themill | chrisirc: did you look at the bug report? |
| 00:34.51 | chrisirc | I haven't searched yet, there's a good chance that it was not done to the BTS (security bug). |
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| 00:34.53 | themill | (actually, you don't even need to go to snapshot.d.o for the old version, it's still in wheezy) |
| 00:35.17 | chrisirc | I've never gotten an older version, will have to look up the syntax. |
| 00:35.23 | themill | chrisirc: all bugs go through the bts and the package changelog gives you the bug number |
| 00:35.41 | themill | apt-get source package=version; get the versions from apt-cache policy apt |
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| 00:38.42 | chrisirc | I thought security bugs should be reported to the security team directly. Seems I'm mistaken, and a security tag on the BTS makes it private? |
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| 00:40.29 | themill | chrisirc: https://www.debian.org/social_contract #3 |
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| 00:41.09 | chrisirc | Well yes so that's why I thought security bugs should not be reported to the BTS (by the initial reporter)? |
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| 00:41.52 | chrisirc | To give time for fixes to be prepared. |
| 00:42.07 | themill | there are some things that are embargoed like that but most aren't |
| 00:42.45 | chrisirc | "Some things"? |
| 00:42.58 | chrisirc | So if I discover a security bug, what should I do? |
| 00:43.11 | themill | the heartbleed stuff was. most kernel bugs aren't |
| 00:43.29 | themill | chrisirc: just email the security team |
| 00:43.54 | chrisirc | ok. That's what I did in the past, and what I assumed the reporter of the apt bug did |
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| 00:44.20 | themill | the changelog is good at answering these questions |
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| 00:44.59 | themill | the DSA also listed the bug number |
| 00:45.04 | chrisirc | ? (I've seen the bug number there, been looking at it now, |
| 00:45.26 | chrisirc | but I'm still surprised that the bug is there, from the first reporting on.) |
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| 00:53.12 | chrisirc | (Found confirmation: https://www.debian.org/security/faq#discover "please always contact the security team"; only if the bug is already publicly known, they say to file a report to the BTS) |
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| 00:58.09 | snadge | what bug are we talking about? :P |
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| 01:08.25 | chrisirc | snadge, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=749795 |
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| 01:08.58 | chrisirc | I've put a diff up here: http://christianjaeger.ch/scratch/apt-0.9.7.9+deb7u1_apt-0.9.7.9+deb7u2.diff |
| 01:09.10 | chrisirc | themill, thanks for your help. |
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| 03:32.15 | MizLady | is this the right place for a new debian user to ask questions? |
| 03:33.03 | jmcnaught | MizLady: yes, but it's not the only right place. Need some help? |
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| 03:34.19 | MizLady | not yet.... i'm actually setting up this system for her. if she needs help and i'm not there, i'm having her come here. irc client set to autoconnect and join when run |
| 03:35.02 | MizLady | this is me making sure it works and is going to the right place |
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| 03:35.30 | jmcnaught | MizLady: okay. mostly Debian Wheezy is supported here, and also in #debian on irc.debian.org. For Jessie there's another channel |
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| 03:36.04 | MizLady | this is debian stable. is that Wheezy? |
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| 03:36.55 | jmcnaught | MizLady: yes. bookmarking https://wiki.debian.org/ might not be a bad idea either |
| 03:37.01 | peterrooney | MizLady: seems like a good plan; be sure to have "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" in her required readings list. |
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| 03:39.12 | MizLady | peterrooney, where do i find that to add it? (taking notes for myself too) |
| 03:39.32 | MizLady | jmcnaught, i now have that bookmarked |
| 03:39.54 | jmcnaught | !smart questions |
| 03:39.56 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 03:40.21 | MizLady | eric raymond :) |
| 03:41.23 | MizLady | done, thanks |
| 03:42.01 | MizLady | other good ideas b4 i vanish? |
| 03:42.35 | jmcnaught | MizLady: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian has some advice for new users |
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| 03:44.01 | MizLady | wow cool! this should be part of the debian reference manual package i installed |
| 03:44.31 | MizLady | and linked on the download/installer page |
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| 03:44.51 | jmcnaught | MizLady: there's a link on that page to the debian administrator's handbook too which is also quite good, and can be purchased which supports the authors (who are debian developers) |
| 03:45.16 | MizLady | can i buy that from barnes and noble? |
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| 03:45.38 | jmcnaught | MizLady: http://debian-handbook.info/get/ |
| 03:45.52 | jmcnaught | it's also available as a package or can be read on the website |
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| 03:48.12 | jmcnaught | MizLady: hopefully she's not intimidated :) Debian's quite easy to use, especially if one is willing to do a bit of reading, and there's always someone here to answer questions |
| 03:49.35 | MizLady | she will be, i am not intimidated. i'm an old unix hand but i have a learning curve with debian |
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| 03:50.34 | jmcnaught | she'll be a pro in no time |
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| 03:51.10 | MizLady | uh.......... not true |
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| 03:51.29 | jmcnaught | she'll be comfortable in no time |
| 03:51.59 | MizLady | i plan to be and i'll help when i can. irc is my backup. yes comfy in no time :) |
| 03:55.01 | MizLady | thanks again! |
| 03:55.07 | MizLady | i'm out |
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| 04:27.48 | de-ionp1 | should i use iptables to close ports or something else? im looking for something thats easy to use |
| 04:30.06 | horses_ftw | yes? |
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| 04:30.17 | de-ionp1 | also should i only keep 20, 21, 22, 80, and 443 open? |
| 04:30.25 | horses_ftw | iptables has ports closed by default |
| 04:30.27 | de-ionp1 | i only need ssh\sftp access |
| 04:30.32 | de-ionp1 | oh? |
| 04:30.35 | horses_ftw | change port 22 |
| 04:30.40 | horses_ftw | then open ssh, sftp |
| 04:30.43 | de-ionp1 | k thanks |
| 04:31.24 | de-ionp1 | yeah iptables is completely blank i figured that meant everything is open |
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| 04:31.38 | de-ionp1 | according to list --list |
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| 04:32.31 | jmcnaught | de-ionp1: i think you're right, the default is everything open |
| 04:32.35 | de-ionp1 | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination |
| 04:32.44 | de-ionp1 | is my iptables --list i think everything is open |
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| 04:33.32 | jmcnaught | de-ionp1: i've been playing around with "ufw" which is an easier to use frontend to iptables, but i haven't used it on a production server yet |
| 04:33.57 | de-ionp1 | hmm i just need to close everything but 80 for apache, and 22 i think for sftp\ssh |
| 04:34.18 | horses_ftw | hmm i thought everything was closed? |
| 04:34.29 | horses_ftw | maybe thats just all incoming ports |
| 04:34.31 | de-ionp1 | maybe on my digitalocean droplet that's not hte case |
| 04:34.39 | de-ionp1 | -the |
| 04:34.42 | horses_ftw | usually on servers it's closed by default |
| 04:34.57 | horses_ftw | if you are hosting a web server you need to open port 80, 443 |
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| 04:35.15 | jmcnaught | horses_ftw: i never need to open ports after installing a new service |
| 04:35.23 | horses_ftw | not even on servers? |
| 04:35.25 | de-ionp1 | 443 = ssl? |
| 04:35.30 | horses_ftw | yes |
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| 04:37.38 | de-ionp1 | http://pastebin.com/M7qyxAkH does this look ideal? |
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| 04:38.21 | jmcnaught | de-ionp1: i'm no firewall expert but those rules look a little light to me |
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| 04:38.44 | de-ionp1 | oh |
| 04:38.52 | de-ionp1 | any help ould be appreciated |
| 04:40.20 | horses_ftw | the rules look conflicting |
| 04:40.40 | horses_ftw | did you write it all from scratch? |
| 04:41.19 | de-ionp1 | http://serverfault.com/questions/363741/how-can-i-block-all-but-three-ports-in-ubuntu nope i read this post |
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| 04:41.41 | de-ionp1 | i just need to secure the box with those 3 ports open |
| 04:41.43 | de-ionp1 | any suggestions? |
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| 04:42.39 | knipperX | is debian more ligther than, lets for say. centos? |
| 04:42.59 | horses_ftw | in terms of size? |
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| 04:44.20 | knipperX | yes horses_ftw |
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| 04:44.40 | knipperX | and also in terms of system resources. lets say im just using a 486 machine with 128mb sdram |
| 04:45.04 | horses_ftw | size, centos is 4+GB |
| 04:45.23 | horses_ftw | debian 635MB |
| 04:45.37 | jmcnaught | de-ionp1: does your VPS have and IPv6 addresses? in that case you'll also need to use ip6tables. you might also want to limit outbound connections from the server |
| 04:45.55 | knipperX | i see. How about in terms of system resources horses_ftw, which would be ligther? |
| 04:46.09 | horses_ftw | idk probably the same |
| 04:46.28 | horses_ftw | assuming both running in shell system |
| 04:46.34 | horses_ftw | no desktop |
| 04:46.34 | de-ionp1 | jmcnaught: let me check im creating a new droplet |
| 04:46.51 | de-ionp1 | would it display in ifconfig? |
| 04:46.59 | de-ionp1 | i have no experience with ipv6 |
| 04:47.05 | horses_ftw | you shouldnt have to worry about ipv6 |
| 04:47.09 | jmcnaught | de-ionp1: it's probably worth trying to find a more detailed guide to firewall, or compare several guides and check to see what they have in common, and make sure you understand each of the rules |
| 04:47.14 | knipperX | horses_ftw how about in terms of security, which has less vulnerabilities and which is more stable? etc |
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| 04:47.37 | horses_ftw | both about the same |
| 04:47.56 | horses_ftw | as long as you constantly update your system |
| 04:48.06 | horses_ftw | and you use stable releases |
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| 04:54.49 | jmcnaught | horses_ftw: not sure why recommend not to worry about ipv6 |
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| 05:02.44 | horses_ftw | are the majority of the users going to try to connect via ip v6?? |
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| 05:02.44 | jmcnaught | horses_ftw: doesn't mean you should leave the doors wide open with ipv6 |
| 05:02.44 | horses_ftw | no becuase it's closed by default on servers |
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| 05:03.05 | jmcnaught | horses_ftw: not on debian. you have to close the ports yourself, which is what de-ionp1 was asking about |
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| 05:04.26 | jmcnaught | horses_ftw: test it youself if you don't believe me. start with a fresh install, add a webserver or something and see if you can access it. |
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| 05:06.23 | knipperX | jmcnaught: maybe he is saying ipv6 server side, not the client side where you can connect on ipv6 |
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| 05:09.16 | jmcnaught | knipperX: i don't know what you mean by server side, but debian servers are not automatically firewalled. If you install debian on a server and install services like apache2 or openssh-server, you don't need to unblock them (and the packages aren't unblocking them either, which would be silly). |
| 05:09.30 | jmcnaught | saying that servers are firewalled by default on debian is bad advice |
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| 05:10.40 | knipperX | jmcnaught: debian is so good it doesnt really needed to be firewalled maybe |
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| 05:12.39 | waynr | yeah if ipv6 is available on a system then it is up to the application to decide whether or not to listen on that port |
| 05:13.17 | jmcnaught | knipperX: also fairly dubious. Debian doesn't know what traffic you which traffic you want to allow or block, you have to configure that yourself |
| 05:14.43 | knipperX | ofcourse. its just like any other firewall, needs for your whitelist and blacklist |
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| 05:15.10 | knipperX | there is no firewall set and forget, it always has its rulesets |
| 05:15.50 | knipperX | and there is no good default ruleset, it should be done by a good admin |
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| 05:16.36 | jmcnaught | knipperX: yes, it's just wrong to tell people all ports are blocked by default in Debian which is the point i was trying to make |
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| 05:19.00 | Dewi | knipperX: ufw is pretty close to fire and forget |
| 05:19.44 | Dewi | (popular on ubuntu but works okay for me on basic debian setups) |
| 05:20.45 | Dewi | (and if I need something more complex, shorewall) |
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| 05:27.20 | knipperX | jmcnaught: so can you tell me what ports are on by default on a default debian install? |
| 05:27.36 | knipperX | port 22 and 80 i think are by default. Open ports |
| 05:27.51 | jmcnaught | knipperX: all ports are open |
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| 05:28.33 | knipperX | from 0 to 65535? |
| 05:28.41 | Dewi | yes, because it has no firewall. That's what that means |
| 05:28.58 | knipperX | mostly are filtered |
| 05:29.00 | Dewi | no |
| 05:29.22 | Dewi | well, to be precise they are closed, not filtered, until software opens them |
| 05:29.55 | Dewi | but there is no operating system level filtering or blocking by default |
| 05:30.55 | Dewi | any process can open a port > 1024, and any root process can open any port |
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| 05:31.56 | Dewi | (but you can install a firewall quite easily, ufw being the simplest I have seen) |
| 05:32.40 | Dewi | (okay technically ufw is a firewall configuration program, the firewall itself is in the kernel) |
| 05:32.56 | trem0r | haha |
| 05:33.10 | Dewi | trying to be precise sucks, I think I'll just stop :) |
| 05:33.29 | jmcnaught | the ufw bone's connected to the iptables bone, the iptables bone's connected to the netfilter bone... |
| 05:33.32 | trem0r | =) |
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| 05:34.43 | jmcnaught | nobody likes me song :( |
| 05:34.48 | jmcnaught | s/me/my |
| 05:35.14 | Dewi | open a bug: debian network security components should be more lyrical |
| 05:35.25 | knipperX | jmcnaught & Dewi, i thought iptables is a firewall of debian by default? |
| 05:36.13 | jmcnaught | knipperX: iptables is a command line tool that configures the netfilter subsystem of the kernel, which is the actual firewall |
| 05:37.08 | knipperX | okay |
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| 05:37.32 | knipperX | is there another better way to configure the netfilter? |
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| 05:39.07 | jmcnaught | knipperX: there are tools that work on top of iptables like ufw and shorewall like Dewi was mentioning |
| 05:40.01 | Dewi | knipperX: sure it's always there, but it has no effect until configured |
| 05:40.19 | Dewi | (either manually or with a tool like ufw, shorewall, etc) |
| 05:41.12 | jmcnaught | knipperX: iptables also only handles ipv4, you need to use ip6tables for ipv6 |
| 05:41.28 | Dewi | ^ |
| 05:41.55 | knipperX | Dewi: i thought someone just told me that. fail2ban is just what i needed |
| 05:42.11 | knipperX | and that the iptables works just fine by default |
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| 05:42.20 | jmcnaught | knipperX: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall has an overview/introduction |
| 05:42.22 | Dewi | knipperX: it does nothing by default |
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| 05:42.49 | knipperX | so Dewi, what do you recommend for a good firewall then? UFW or shorewall? |
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| 05:42.52 | Dewi | knipperX: fail2ban is another layer that bans specific aggressive hosts |
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| 05:43.22 | Dewi | knipperX: ufw is a nice simple fire-and-forget one |
| 05:43.35 | knipperX | let me try that |
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| 05:44.03 | Dewi | so ufw can set an overall continuous policy, like to let traffic out but limit incoming traffic |
| 05:44.18 | Dewi | with holes for services like ssh and web |
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| 05:44.37 | knipperX | Dewi: i also wished like something like my old windows firewall did, That it logs everything too. Port scans, failed login attempts, pings, ddos attacks, everything, FINN/SYNN/ACK attacks aws well. Smurf attack. etc |
| 05:45.01 | Dewi | and fail2ban will block even more heavily when it detects aggressive activity |
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| 05:45.51 | Dewi | knipperX: most firewall configuration systems do log, yes, but the specifics are subject to configuration |
| 05:47.22 | Dewi | (mine logs suspect activity to /var/log/syslog) |
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| 05:51.27 | Dagger | you should worry about v6. people are going to try to connect over it, so you need to make sure it works properly |
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| 05:51.38 | Dagger | ...unless you don't have it. in which case you should be even more worried |
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| 05:51.46 | Dagger | </late_to_the_conversation> |
| 05:53.03 | abrotman | just had to listen to a pile of people say tehy don't care about v6, nor expect to :( |
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| 05:54.16 | jmcnaught | there's going to be a lot more NAT, but it's "carrier grade" so it should be fine /s |
| 05:55.00 | abrotman | I'm not sure it's going that route .. they just don't see the need for more IPs, so they just pretend they shouldn't worry about v7 |
| 05:55.03 | abrotman | v6 |
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| 05:55.47 | de-ionp1 | is there a luajit package for debian 7.2? |
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| 05:59.18 | jmcnaught | de-ionp1: it doesn't look like it, but you could backport it from sid |
| 05:59.25 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell de-ionp1 about ssb |
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| 06:01.16 | de-ionp1 | seems like i should just build from source then |
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| 06:02.48 | jmcnaught | de-ionp1: did you get the message from dpkg? it's instruction on how to build the package from unstable for wheezy. pretty easy to do, and better than letting "make install" spray stuff all over your system |
| 06:03.42 | de-ionp1 | i did let me check it out thanks |
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| 06:39.04 | DarsVaeda | how do I remove icedove properly? when I do "apt-get remove icedove" it wants to remove all stuff not even related to it like gnome-network-manager ... also why do such things happen? |
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| 06:48.01 | holohoax | i googled the holocaust and google told me it's a myth |
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| 06:57.31 | peterrooney | !ops holohoax flamebait |
| 06:57.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: peterrooney complains about: holohoax flamebait |
| 06:58.49 | holohoax | !ops peterrooney racist pm spammer |
| 06:58.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: holohoax complains about: peterrooney racist pm spammer |
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| 07:00.49 | jelly-home | peterrooney: thanks |
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| 07:15.52 | Gr1 | Hi guys |
| 07:16.07 | Gr1 | How can I get the fqdn to reflect in hostname -f ? |
| 07:16.59 | peetaur2 | Gr1: I think you just have to make sure /etc/hostname has the full one |
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| 07:17.09 | dwatkins | hostname isn't enough... https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 07:17.13 | peetaur2 | Gr1: in one case (openSUSE) I had hostname -f crashing until I rebooted after changing it. |
| 07:18.51 | petern_ | /etc/hosts seems to affect hostname -f |
| 07:18.57 | Gr1 | fqdn already there in /etc/hostname |
| 07:18.59 | petern_ | my /etc/hostname is just the name |
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| 07:19.05 | Gr1 | But hostname -f shows as localhost |
| 07:19.11 | petern_ | in /etc/hosts i have 127.0.1.1 fdqn hostname |
| 07:19.15 | peetaur2 | localhost :D |
| 07:19.36 | petern_ | if i take out fqdn then hostname -f just returns hostname |
| 07:19.37 | Gr1 | even etc/hosts has 127.0.0.1 localhost fqdn |
| 07:20.03 | petern_ | Got an entry for 127.0.1.1? |
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| 07:20.51 | Gr1 | Nope |
| 07:21.20 | petern_ | try it then, "127.0.1.1 fqdn hostname" |
| 07:21.52 | Gr1 | Checking |
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| 07:23.04 | Gr1 | No luck |
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| 07:57.39 | lostNick | hi, can i use a printer with debian system in windows LAN? |
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| 08:01.33 | lostNick | i want to use printer in windows network with a debian system. i want to share printer so other windows clients can send print |
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| 08:05.34 | TomyWork | i'm trying to find a changelog for the dpkg tool, but i cant find anything before 2012 |
| 08:06.23 | TomyWork | nm found it |
| 08:06.27 | TomyWork | http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.17.10_changelog |
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| 08:16.43 | satdav | Hello do you support the raspberry pi build of debian |
| 08:17.08 | Mikaela | I think that they have their own channel. |
| 08:18.08 | Mikaela | satdav: /join #raspbian |
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| 08:21.18 | satdav | Do you support ice wheasel |
| 08:22.44 | satdav | Aka your version of Firefox |
| 08:22.46 | Mikaela | Iceweasel is probably supported if you are on Debian. |
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| 08:24.20 | cnodell | I would suggest you just ask your iceweasel question. If the advice given does not seem to work people are unlikely to really delve deep if you are not runing debian... |
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| 08:25.13 | cnodell | could be worth a try though... |
| 08:25.19 | satdav | Mikaela what version you on and does it go the same as firefox |
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| 08:25.51 | Mikaela | I use Google Chrome and I am currently on Ubuntu, Debian is in another room. |
| 08:26.39 | Mikaela | But the Iceweasel version numbering has been a little late from Firefox when I have looked at it. |
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| 08:29.57 | satdav | Ok i understand that |
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| 08:58.02 | BuildTheRobots | morning people. I'm probably being thick, but where do I find the public keys to verify the pgp signed debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org announcements, please? |
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| 08:59.34 | s991533 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:01.58 | gry | s991533, "It depends how you formatted the filesystem. Using tune2fs -l <device> you can find the number of inodes your device has, probably around 6 million inodes in your case. Every file or directory uses an inode." -- http://serverfault.com/questions/396768/ext4-file-system-max-inode-limit-can-anyone-please-explain |
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| 09:02.11 | frostschutz | s991533, df -i would show your filesystems inode limits |
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| 10:13.17 | voxadam | Has anyone managed to get mongodb installed on sid any time recently? |
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| 10:28.50 | Brigo | ,v mongodb |
| 10:28.55 | judd | Package: mongodb on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.4.4-3; squeeze-backports: 1:2.0.0-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:2.0.6-1.1; wheezy-backports: 1:2.4.8-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.4.10-1+b1; sid: 1:2.4.10-1+b1 |
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| 10:29.27 | Brigo | voxadam, not me, i have never used it, but it is in repos. |
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| 10:29.36 | judd | Package: mate-desktop-environment-extras on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.0+2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.0+2; sid: 1.8.0+3 |
| 10:29.43 | shay_shay | Yay |
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| 10:43.14 | boudiccas_ | Using this command 'sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd' its now been going for about 1.5 hours on a 64g micro-sd-card. is this normal or has it frozen please? |
| 10:43.31 | dtk | Hello guys! has someone of you tried to burn the ia64 netinst image on DVD and booting then with success? (Yes I freaking know the difference between amd64 and ia64) |
| 10:43.38 | dtk | boudiccas_: should be pretty normal |
| 10:43.45 | frostschutz | boudiccas_, you forgot bs=1M or similar. you can check progress will killall -SIGUSR1 dd |
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| 10:44.24 | BuildTheRobots | dtk, no reas on why it shouldn't work -does it not work? |
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| 10:44.45 | boudiccas_ | frostschutz; what then is a better, and quicker command please? i dont really understand your example/suggestion |
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| 10:45.25 | BuildTheRobots | boudiccas_, `ps aux | grep dd` will tell you the PID (first colum) of hte dd process. if you then `kill -USR1 <pid>` dd will print status |
| 10:45.33 | g105b | I'm looking for a way to implement what my Windows sysadmin calls "soft syncing"... a directory mapped to a network location that shows all files, but the files only contain metadata until they are used. Is there anything like this in Debain? |
| 10:45.37 | boudiccas_ | ah, right, thanks |
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| 10:46.34 | dtk | BuildTheRobots: Well, I've tried to burn 2 times on DVD. Seemed to be good, but when I tried to boot it on my itanium 2 server (with efi shell sh*t), the server doesn't recognize the DVD as a filesystem. |
| 10:46.53 | frostschutz | g105b, how is that different from any network filesystem that transfers data only when it is actually used? |
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| 10:47.00 | dtk | where it should |
| 10:47.48 | BuildTheRobots | dtk, ah right... so potentially an itanium issue rather than just a bootable CD issue |
| 10:47.54 | g105b | frostschutz: ... reassessing question ... :) |
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| 10:48.24 | dtk | BuildTheRobots: are you that 100% sure? I mean ... god ... |
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| 10:50.00 | well_laid_lawn | yes ? |
| 10:50.12 | BuildTheRobots | dtk, as far as I know there's no difference between buring an iso to a CD or DVD. you _could_ try it with a standard disk but except for possibly the drive in the server, I don't think it'll yield different results. I could well be wrong though. also I know nowt about itanium; sorry :( |
| 10:50.25 | boudiccas_ | frostschutz; BuildTheRobots: thanks, its done 24g and continuing |
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| 10:50.49 | BuildTheRobots | dtk, if the motherboard will boot from USB that might be a cheaper way of trying different boot media |
| 10:51.01 | ChrisH | dtk: what HW with ia64 do you have? I had only access to HP9000 with is64 CPU |
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| 10:51.25 | BuildTheRobots | boudiccas_, if you run `watch kill -usr1 <pid>` in another window then it'll cause DD to report every two seconds so you can keep watching it ;) |
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| 10:51.44 | Walex | boudiccas_: MicroSD cards write pretty slowly -- single chip usually. |
| 10:52.01 | frostschutz | boudiccas_, you should stop it, if the card actually writes each 512 byte block individually, it will damage/age the card a lo |
| 10:52.04 | frostschutz | *lot |
| 10:52.12 | Walex | boudiccas_: expect 2-4MB/s |
| 10:53.27 | Walex | frostschutz: note that her command does not specify 'oflag=direct' and not even 'conv=fsyncdata' so it will be buffered in pretty large writes |
| 10:53.32 | BuildTheRobots | frostschutz, don't suppose you have any articles you'd recommend on "what you need to know about DD and blocksizes before destroying your cards"? |
| 10:53.41 | ChrisH | dtk: Is booting from net an option? With different servers its less pain and much faster. |
| 10:54.11 | boudiccas_ | frostschutz; but i have to format the card with vfat for it to be used in my mobile phone |
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| 10:54.46 | BuildTheRobots | boudiccas_, if you're formatting the card, why are you trying to blank it first with such force? |
| 10:54.49 | frostschutz | boudiccas_, just let your phone format it then. overwriting it entirely is not necessary for that |
| 10:55.01 | dtk | BuildTheRobots: I've tried it already, the funny thing is I installed somehow (perhaps drunk) amd64 on a usb stick and well - I saw the fs0, ofc there was a communication called something like 'Load File [Unsupported]' which is obvious. I have dropped the ia64 iso with the same way as the amd64 and simply nope |
| 10:55.13 | boudiccas_ | cos that was what the web page that i'm following suggests |
| 10:55.23 | dtk | ChrisH: intel server sr870bh2 |
| 10:55.25 | BuildTheRobots | boudiccas_, i'd suggest the webpage is wrong ;) |
| 10:55.34 | Walex | BuildTheRobots: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/12-thr.html#120414 |
| 10:55.37 | frostschutz | Walex, I'm not sure if I'd trust the kernel to combine that into large writes for cardreaders. sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't... hard to tell |
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| 10:56.00 | boudiccas_ | but the mobile formats it 'exfat' which cant be read by linux, but 'vfat' is perfectly aceptable |
| 10:56.12 | BuildTheRobots | Walex, thanks :) |
| 10:56.21 | frostschutz | boudiccas_, there is mkfs.vfat |
| 10:56.43 | BuildTheRobots | boudiccas_, you don't need to completely blank an SD card before writing new partition information and/or formatting it with a filesystem |
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| 10:57.17 | dtk | ChrisH: Well, never tried from net before.. I will need to read about it. |
| 10:57.46 | g105b | Are there any inbuilt tools to mount an amazon s3 bucket as a directory? |
| 10:57.52 | boudiccas_ | frostschutz; yes, already did that, but forgot to format card first! doh! needless to say, the mobile rejected it! |
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| 10:57.58 | ChrisH | dtk: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ia64/ch05s01.html.en point 5.1.2 I would give that a try. |
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| 10:58.53 | dtk | ChrisH: :) already read it before. Still - nope. |
| 10:58.57 | BuildTheRobots | g105b, you want to look at s3fs-fuse i believe |
| 10:59.13 | g105b | BuildTheRobots: thank you |
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| 10:59.50 | dtk | ChrisH: ... sorry! |
| 11:00.37 | ChrisH | dtk: Good luck! Lunchtimer here |
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| 11:07.54 | dtk | ChrisH: Bon appetite :) |
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| 11:15.34 | distantflare | hello |
| 11:15.55 | distantflare | how to detect and use a general printer in LAN that offers printing over network? |
| 11:16.07 | distantflare | is that easy? |
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| 11:17.09 | amgarching | Hi! After upgrade to wheeze (and before to squeeze) the NFS shares /howe and /work are not mounted on boot. A manual mount -a works. Where do I start looking? |
| 11:17.15 | formorer | distantflare: cups uses several methods to detect such a printer. |
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| 11:19.33 | lostNick | detect and mount cd rom fails. setup aborted from live usb debian. i dont need cdrom , why drivers are asked during setup? |
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| 11:20.51 | lostNick | plz respond |
| 11:21.36 | petn-randall | lostNick: Assuming you're installing, the installer needs to detect the installation medium. |
| 11:22.03 | petn-randall | lostNick: It would help though to tell us what you're trying to do, and how you prepared your installation medium. |
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| 11:23.25 | lostNick | petn-randall , i prepared my usb with yum for wheezy live 64 iso. setup start from usb but as i said cd rom drivers are not found. and i wonder why there was need for cd rom |
| 11:23.50 | lostNick | setup fails |
| 11:24.24 | lostNick | petn-randall i want to ask if my idea will work |
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| 11:25.09 | lostNick | i want to use debian in my windows lan |
| 11:25.21 | petn-randall | !tell lostNick about usb install |
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| 11:26.06 | kdsebastian | where to download debian wheezy |
| 11:26.08 | petn-randall | lostNick: yum probably breaks the installer, better use the instruction the bot sent you. Gotta leave, I'll be back in an hour. |
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| 11:26.47 | lostNick | and petn-randall , ok i try. i will be waiting |
| 11:27.17 | lamrz | dear Debian community, some of you have known me only too well within the one week or so. I had problems with recovery. I'd like to tell you now that I RECOVERED MY DRIVE!!!! |
| 11:28.53 | kdsebastian | need help guys where can i download the wheezy |
| 11:29.02 | kdsebastian | distrowatch link is dead |
| 11:29.30 | lostNick | kdsebastian just a minute, i think i saved link. let me check |
| 11:29.56 | kdsebastian | tnx |
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| 11:33.52 | kdsebastian | lostNick still waiting????? |
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| 11:34.15 | lostNick | kdsebastian try this and let me know http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 11:35.28 | kdsebastian | The requested URL /cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.2.0/amd64/iso-cd/ was not found on this server. |
| 11:35.43 | lostNick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:38.24 | lostNick | kdsebastian plz check this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 11:38.46 | ytrezq | Hello, How I can convert a flv video to mp4 in debian? |
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| 11:39.39 | kdsebastian | tnx lostNick |
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| 11:40.05 | lostNick | kdsebastian you are welcome |
| 11:40.19 | kdsebastian | 1 question which architechture is best as per your experience |
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| 11:44.22 | lostNick | kdsebastian no idea, really i got help 1 year ago and debian is running fine , the same link i gave you |
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| 11:47.57 | lostNick | my printer drivers on windows go bad after some days and then again i install drivers. so thought that debian for that printer may work much better. also want to share printer for windows users. do you think my idea will work good? |
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| 11:49.05 | ChrisH | lostNick: If cups supports this printer, than sharing via samba is expected to work very well. |
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| 11:50.05 | lostNick | ChrisH , thanks, let me check what is cups |
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| 11:51.32 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell lostNick about cups |
| 11:52.08 | lostNick | ChrisH thank you for that nice tip |
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| 12:10.24 | srenatus | hi. when building a package, is it possible to declare a dependency on another package's 'latest version' without specifying that version? |
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| 12:11.22 | srenatus | alternatively, can I give `apt-get install package` an option that will make it upgrade the package's dependencies to the latest available versions? |
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| 12:17.42 | Brigo | srenatus, install the latest version is the default behaviour |
| 12:18.21 | srenatus | Brigo: yes, but not of packageB that packageA depends on (using its name only, no version) |
| 12:19.00 | Brigo | srenatus, in each debian version -stable, unstable, etc- there are only one package version available for each package |
| 12:19.02 | srenatus | Brigo: that's what I'm after. Having some way to make `apt-get install packageA` not only upgrade packageA but also its dependencies whenever possible |
| 12:19.14 | srenatus | Brigo: yes, this is caused by homegrown packages |
| 12:19.29 | srenatus | and a homegrown repo |
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| 12:20.10 | Brigo | srenatus, and and apt-get upgrade is not possible? |
| 12:20.41 | srenatus | Brigo: yes, that'd be the other options |
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| 12:22.32 | srenatus | the other one, that is. |
| 12:22.35 | Brigo | i think the system do no spect two versions of a package, so i think you cannot archive that you want. But i am not sure. |
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| 12:22.47 | slyboots | Hi having a little bit of a problem with startup scripts on my Debian system |
| 12:22.51 | srenatus | Brigo: thanks for your input :) |
| 12:23.05 | Brigo | srenatus, you are wellcome :) |
| 12:23.14 | slyboots | Seem to have a script (that starts a postsql server) that wont.. start? or execute (not 100% why) at boot |
| 12:23.39 | slyboots | If I execute the command by hand, it starts correctly without error, Im not really sure where to start looking to diagnose this problem though |
| 12:24.19 | slyboots | (as in, if I run "/etc/init.d/chronicall_database start" it works fine) |
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| 12:25.42 | Brigo | slyboots, did you watch the boot logs? |
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| 12:26.21 | slyboots | Brigo: they spin by pretty quick, I cant see anything in /var/daemon.log or /var/syslog either |
| 12:26.32 | slyboots | */var/log/ even |
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| 12:26.57 | Brigo | man bootlogd |
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| 12:27.22 | slyboots | ? "no manual entry for bootlogd" |
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| 12:27.46 | Brigo | apt-get install bootlogd then :) |
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| 12:28.48 | darkschneider | hello, i'm getting 404 when trying to get many packages from http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ (i.e. package for nmap for example) any idea (naturally i did run aptitude update just before) |
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| 12:29.52 | petn-randall | darkschneider: Did 'aptitude update' 404, too? |
| 12:29.56 | lotherk | I'm trying to compile ruby2.1 from jessie on a wheezy system (apt-get source, dpkg-buildpackage) and it seems that it compiles fine but in the end I get an error (http://pastebin.com/DW61MsKv) with open and elf_open. I know that jessie is not stable and one shouldn't mix things, but I have to. if someone could point me in the right direction, would be nice. |
| 12:30.30 | darkschneider | petn-randall: mmm indeed i'm checking that, but nope. it hits, but indeed i see that it report a Hash Sum missmatch |
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| 12:30.58 | darkschneider | on some files (sourceindex, packageindex and translation-enindex) |
| 12:31.27 | darkschneider | but may it mean that ftp is compromised or just a random error on their side? if the hash is wrong... file is different |
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| 12:32.42 | petn-randall | darkschneider: Can you paste the command + full output to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 12:33.08 | darkschneider | i'll paste most of it |
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| 12:35.38 | darkschneider | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/104795/ |
| 12:35.43 | codekK | Hello, need some help with ACL, im on Debian 7 and have installed ACL package also libacl1 and libacl1-dev. I add the ",acl" to fstab and reboot, i try too with "sudo mount -o remount,acl /" but it seems didnt work. When i use the command "setfacl ***" i get error "setfacl: Operation not supported" and if i do "mount | grep acl" i didnt get nothing. Seem its not active the ACL support... How i can activate it?? :( need it please! Here is my fstab (and y |
| 12:35.45 | codekK | es, i check the kernel support for ACL and i my kernel have support for it). http://paste.debian.net/plain/104796 |
| 12:35.54 | darkschneider | that the aptitude update, want also the aptitude upgrade? |
| 12:38.07 | darkschneider | mmmm intestesting the swiss mirror works |
| 12:38.49 | darkschneider | now i remember why i want to change country and why in the past 10 years i never used italian mirrors even if i live there. |
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| 12:39.18 | petn-randall | darkschneider: Those updates with hashsum mismatch will continue to use the last working state. This is why aptitude's knowledge of what is available on the repo is old. Those packages that 404 are packages that have been updated since. |
| 12:39.32 | darkschneider | yep i see the point |
| 12:39.47 | darkschneider | basically should be a mirror fault. thanks |
| 12:39.54 | petn-randall | !tell darkschneider -about mirror |
| 12:40.11 | petn-randall | !tell darkschneider -about http.debian.net |
| 12:40.20 | darkschneider | yep yep, that is indeed an official mirror and indeed i'm switching back to it |
| 12:40.47 | darkschneider | s/it/another |
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| 12:40.56 | petn-randall | darkschneider: Not necessarily. Check if it's listed as official mirror, and if yes, report it to the ftpmasters. A stale mirror is definitively a problem on their side that needs to get fixed. |
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| 12:41.17 | petn-randall | (not necessarily your fault) |
| 12:41.30 | darkschneider | yep i see, i'll wait a day to see if it's only lagging |
| 12:41.44 | darkschneider | (and meanwhile i need to deliver stuff tonight :D ) |
| 12:41.54 | darkschneider | thanks a lot for help |
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| 12:43.51 | codekK | Hello, need some help with ACL, im on Debian 7 and have installed ACL package also libacl1 and libacl1-dev. I add the ",acl" to fstab and reboot, i try too with "sudo mount -o remount,acl /" but it seems didnt work. When i use the command "setfacl ***" i get error "setfacl: Operation not supported" and if i do "mount | grep acl" i didnt get nothing. Seem its not active the ACL support... How i can activate it?? :( need it please! Here is my fstab (and y |
| 12:43.54 | codekK | es, i check the kernel support for ACL and i my kernel have support for it). http://paste.debian.net/plain/104796 |
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| 12:46.07 | petn-randall | codekK: Does 'mount' show that it's not mounted with the acl option? If yes, you need to enable it in the filesystem. Check 'man tune2fs' for that, search for acl. |
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| 12:46.57 | codekK | petn-randall, yes it shows that its not mounted with acl :S /dev/mapper/packer--debian--7-root on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered) |
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| 12:48.11 | Otyugh | hey. I'm on squeeze and trying to know if I could get newer apps version ; I don't need lot of them : a fix from bitlbee and one from smplayer thats need the upper version to work. Is that possible to make separate cases ? |
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| 12:49.51 | petn-randall | Otyugh: squeeze is practically EOL, and only gets extended security support for most of the archive and only for i386/amd64 architectures. If this is a desktop machine, I recommend upgrading to wheezy. |
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| 12:51.44 | Otyugh | petn-randall: well. I'm still hesitating if it would be mainly a server or a desktop. I wish to be a bit hybrid on that, but I guess it would be a tragedy for the security unless I'd dual boot ? :s |
| 12:52.12 | codekK | petn-randall, try with tune2fs -o acl /dev/mapper/debian**** and after mount -o remount,acl / . it didnt work :(:( |
| 12:52.29 | codekK | Same: /dev/mapper/packer--debian--7-root on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered) |
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| 12:56.09 | euforik | hello |
| 12:56.36 | euforik | i need litle help with settings samba |
| 12:56.57 | petn-randall | Otyugh: Even if it's a server I recommed upgrading, unless you have software on there you *know* doesn't run on wheezy. |
| 12:57.02 | euforik | help me any? |
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| 12:57.53 | petn-randall | codekK: Did those command give any error messages? |
| 12:58.03 | Otyugh | petn-randall: I'll try that, thanks |
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| 12:58.47 | telmich | good day |
| 12:59.19 | telmich | I am using debootstrap to create a kernel + initramfs to be used by pxe |
| 12:59.24 | petn-randall | codekK: Any error messages in /var/log/kern.log? |
| 12:59.43 | telmich | I install grub2 into the chroot, which usually fails, because it tries to run update-grub |
| 12:59.50 | telmich | anyone an idea how to work around this? |
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| 13:00.13 | telmich | i.e. I would like to be able to install grub2(-pc) in the chroot, but not have it do anything to the actual disk |
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| 13:00.16 | Sm21 | ummm |
| 13:00.22 | Sm21 | ubuntu took your thunder debs |
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| 13:01.09 | Sm21 | mark shuttleworth used you |
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| 13:01.21 | Sm21 | Zzeiss did i say you could join |
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| 13:01.29 | petn-randall | Sm21: Do you have a Debian support question? |
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| 13:02.39 | Brigo | telmich, you can install grub in a chroot, you need a device |
| 13:03.08 | Sm21 | yes i do, mark shuttleworth used you |
| 13:03.16 | Brigo | make one, create a chroot in it and then may be you can install grub (i am not sure) |
| 13:03.18 | Sm21 | and you just sit there and take it |
| 13:03.23 | petn-randall | !ops offtopic rant by Sm21 |
| 13:03.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: offtopic rant by Sm21 |
| 13:03.37 | Sm21 | hi |
| 13:04.27 | Otyugh | well |
| 13:05.05 | Otyugh | Tu dum. I was already on wheezy. The application are still too old :s |
| 13:05.23 | Sm21 | Otyugh only speak when i say you can speak |
| 13:05.36 | petn-randall | Sm21: This is not a channel to vent your steam. If you want to discuss this, try somewhere else, maybe #defocus. |
| 13:05.37 | gry | sm21: it may be a good idea to be a bit more narrowly focused on channel topics. |
| 13:05.58 | gry | petn-randall: please ask people to stop before summoning the big ones. It works occasionally. |
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| 13:06.12 | gry | the "before" is important. |
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| 13:07.09 | petn-randall | gry: I suspect its the same troll that showed up around this time the last few days. Maybe it was just a coincidence. |
| 13:07.23 | Otyugh | well. So I'd gace to add unstable jsut for 1-2 apps ? :s |
| 13:07.25 | gry | dunno, I wish I was more here during weekdays :) |
| 13:07.30 | Otyugh | *have |
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| 13:08.00 | Brigo | Otyugh, why are the aplicacion too old for you? what do you need? |
| 13:08.03 | petn-randall | Otyugh: What is too old? Remember that "old" apps usually have better security support. |
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| 13:09.26 | Otyugh | "bitlbee" is at the version where it does not work on twitter anymore, and smplayer don't work in "smtube" view |
| 13:10.21 | Otyugh | well. Sure it's not critiqual x) |
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| 13:10.28 | Otyugh | now I'm saying it... |
| 13:10.52 | euforik | help me any? i set share folder /home/music with samba - this is ok i see this folder from windows. Problem is thsi: if mount other HDD disk to folder/home music then from windows is acces denied help me with this problem any? sorry for my english |
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| 13:11.29 | Otyugh | well no big deal finnaly. Just, is there any mailing list or RSS feed I could have to follow the lateste updates ? |
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| 13:12.16 | Otyugh | well no big deal finnaly. Just, is there any mailing list or RSS feed I could have to follow the lateste updates ?y |
| 13:12.16 | Otyugh | oops |
| 13:12.29 | Brigo | ,v bitlbee |
| 13:12.30 | judd | Package: bitlbee on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.8-1; squeeze-backports: 3.0.5-1.2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.0.5-1.2; jessie: 3.2.1+otr4-1; sid: 3.2.1+otr4-1 |
| 13:12.37 | SynrGy | gry: petn-randall's request was perfectly appropriate. Sm21's rant was a waste of oxygen. reasoning with trolls doesn't work. |
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| 13:12.49 | Brigo | ,v smplayer |
| 13:12.52 | judd | Package: smplayer on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.9-1; wheezy: 0.8.0-1+deb7u1; jessie: 14.3.0-1; sid: 14.3.0-1 |
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| 13:14.13 | Brigo | Otyugh, if your are really insterested, you can try simple sid backpors |
| 13:14.18 | Otyugh | twitter - Login error: Could not retrieve /friends/ids.xml: 403 Forbidden (SSL is required) |
| 13:14.18 | Otyugh | Upgrade to 3.2.1 |
| 13:14.21 | Brigo | !tell Otyugh about ssd |
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| 13:14.43 | Otyugh | well, that would be a, hudge security hole, I guess |
| 13:14.57 | Brigo | Otyugh, ssb? |
| 13:15.22 | Otyugh | sid. |
| 13:15.55 | slyboots | Hm, OK. is there a way to see what scripts/services debian is starting from /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 13:16.19 | Brigo | Otyugh, the idea is compile the sources from sid in you own computer, no security holes. |
| 13:16.26 | slyboots | Got two services now, that dont appear to be starting automatically at boot (But using service $name start works fine) |
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| 13:16.51 | slyboots | Checked bootmand but there are no errors, nor no mention of either affected service |
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| 13:17.37 | Otyugh | Brigo: Ho, maybe that's what I'm looking for |
| 13:17.53 | Brigo | Otap, i thought it :) |
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| 13:18.12 | slyboots | Or does the fact that these files exist in /etc/init.d enough to mean it will load them at boot? |
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| 13:18.22 | Otyugh | why did you told me about ssd, yet ? é_è |
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| 13:18.52 | Brigo | slyboots, debian starts services in /etc/rcX.d, where X is the runlevel |
| 13:19.15 | Brigo | slyboots, you can check your runleve running init wihtout args. |
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| 13:20.12 | Brigo | slyboots, or runlevel |
| 13:20.22 | slyboots | Brigo: Hm.. Well I tried running ls /etc/rc*.d/ and can see that the two questionable services are in /etc/rc1.d |
| 13:20.46 | Brigo | slyboots, you are not in runlevel 1 for sure, that is the rescue level |
| 13:21.00 | Brigo | you may be in levels 1-5 |
| 13:21.16 | slyboots | Ah sorry, I've misread.. its also in rc2-5 |
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| 13:21.36 | slyboots | Strange, I wonder why its not starting up correctly then. It doesnt even seem to try |
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| 13:22.11 | Brigo | slyboots, but links names matter: and S means start the service, a K means stop it |
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| 13:22.20 | cnodell | what are the files in rc2-5 named? the naming is particularly important... |
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| 13:22.34 | slyboots | S97chronicall_database S98chronicall |
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| 13:22.57 | Brigo | it looks ok |
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| 13:24.21 | Otyugh | ,v smtube |
| 13:24.24 | judd | Package: smtube on i386 -- jessie: 2.1-1; sid: 2.1-1 |
| 13:24.28 | Mjbmr | jmcnaught: It didn't help, but thanks anyways. |
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| 13:25.35 | Brigo | slyboots, man update-rc.d can help you |
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| 13:26.11 | Otyugh | Brigo: could you tell me how to do what you pointed me to do again ? >.> |
| 13:26.26 | Otyugh | I don't find :s |
| 13:26.49 | codekK | petn-randall, i dont see errors with tune2fs, and in kern.log i only see this: http://paste.debian.net/plain/104803 (ref to acl.) |
| 13:26.51 | Brigo | Otyugh, talk to dpkg bot: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:26.54 | Mjbmr | what the bot just did?! |
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| 13:28.00 | Mjbmr | nvm |
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| 13:28.32 | Otyugh | Brigo: thanks, I did not get it first, now it's clear to me x) |
| 13:28.47 | Brigo | Otyugh, np :) |
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| 13:30.14 | petn-randall | codekK: Maybe ACL is handled special on /. Can you reboot to see if it takes effect? |
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| 13:36.45 | bakaneko | HELP!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111 |
| 13:37.09 | bakaneko | how to recover shift deleted on ext4? |
| 13:37.12 | bakaneko | HALP |
| 13:37.22 | bakaneko | I'VE JUST DELETED MY THESIS |
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| 13:37.29 | petn-randall | bakaneko: Relax, Phil. |
| 13:37.44 | bakaneko | wat |
| 13:37.57 | Brigo | bakaneko, first stop writing to the disk |
| 13:38.00 | bakaneko | how to recover lost *.tex ? |
| 13:38.12 | daemonkeeper | You don't. Use your backups. |
| 13:38.29 | abrotman | bakaneko: which OS? are you using? |
| 13:38.35 | bakaneko | debian |
| 13:39.07 | daemonkeeper | Not that you had a slight chance to recover it, but don't use the disk. Shut it down immediately and access it read only. |
| 13:39.11 | thid | wow bakaneko you are unlucky (today) |
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| 13:39.28 | daemonkeeper | That gives you at least a theoretical chance for recovery. |
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| 13:39.38 | daemonkeeper | However, the more you use it, the worse you make it. |
| 13:39.44 | thid | halt it now |
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| 13:40.08 | bakaneko | I used some programm before but I don't remember which |
| 13:40.08 | Vai | yep |
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| 13:40.15 | bakaneko | phew! the pdf is still here |
| 13:40.17 | abrotman | bakaneko: google "linux ext4 undelete" good luck, next time use a backup program |
| 13:40.37 | bakaneko | so my text isn't lost ^_________________________^ |
| 13:40.39 | bakaneko | yeeeaaah! |
| 13:40.44 | Brigo | bakaneko, may be it is in the trash ... |
| 13:40.46 | Vai | a backup is always good for some reason |
| 13:40.49 | thid | Hi Psychon4ut! |
| 13:40.57 | Psychon4ut | Hi |
| 13:40.59 | yassine | nice |
| 13:41.11 | Brigo | bakaneko, then start to make backups just now! :) |
| 13:41.17 | yassine | wa vai |
| 13:41.29 | yassine | je suis perdu :F |
| 13:41.33 | yassine | ooh |
| 13:41.36 | yassine | hhhh |
| 13:41.39 | Vai | yassine, only english please :) |
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| 13:44.51 | codekK | petn-randall, its reboted and nah acl seems didnt enable :( |
| 13:44.59 | bakaneko | yannick, aren't you yassine from ILC ? |
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| 13:47.57 | yannick | hi every Body :) |
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| 13:57.50 | Pronix | need help figuring out whats crashing my core/server |
| 13:58.26 | Pronix | the only errors that pop on the logs are Warning: SignalProxy::handleInitRequest() received initRequest for unregistered Object: "IrcUser" "8/xragnar_" and Warning: Channel "#red" received data for unknown User "Rice" |
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| 13:59.48 | nkuttler | Pronix: hm? is it a daemon failing or the entire os? |
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| 14:00.18 | petn-randall | Pronix: I would help if you tell us what daemon you're running. |
| 14:00.24 | abrotman | and OS? |
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| 14:01.20 | Pronix | quasselcore stopping to accept connections and hanging internally |
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| 14:01.42 | Bitcho | you have a irc server? |
| 14:01.45 | Pronix | init.d startup and Debian 7 |
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| 14:01.49 | Pronix | yes |
| 14:01.50 | nubcake | i get no login screen after installing nvidia-proprietary drivers, tried to blacklist and such (as google told me to), now when i login to the shell and do: startx it says "Fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 14:02.44 | helmut | hi. is there some tool that can take a .cabal file, somehow look up the package names contained in build-depends and install them using apt-get? |
| 14:02.51 | abrotman | nubcake: installed how? which card? which version of Debian? |
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| 14:03.37 | nubcake | its an 560gtx nvidia card, debian wheezy 7.5 amd64 |
| 14:03.42 | Pronix | nkuttler petn-randall any clue what it is? |
| 14:03.47 | nubcake | i followed the steam installation tutorial for debian wheezy |
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| 14:04.35 | Pronix | basically i am using debian 7 with plesk - and the latest quassel core debian 7 package |
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| 14:05.04 | Bitcho | irc server you are using ? |
| 14:05.10 | Pronix | yes |
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| 14:05.17 | Bitcho | what irc server? |
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| 14:05.53 | no_gravity | Hello! I have this usb printer connected to my machine. Printing worked fine some days ago. Today it doesnt. How do I get any information on the status of the printer or the printjob? |
| 14:05.59 | abrotman | nubcake: we don't know what the Steam instructions say .. please clue us in |
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| 14:06.03 | Brigo | Bitcho, quassel |
| 14:06.05 | codekK | petn-randall, u have another thing for try solve my problem? |
| 14:06.43 | Brigo | no_gravity, http://localhost:631 |
| 14:06.58 | Brigo | no_gravity, that is the CUPS server web. |
| 14:07.44 | nubcake | abrotman: first i followed this: http://ein-eike.de/2013/12/02/installing-steam-on-debian-wheezy-64-bit-the-easy-way/ no errors so far, then i continued to this:https://wiki.debian.org/Steam and checked out 4. "Installing nvidia hardware" |
| 14:07.56 | Brigo | Pronix, that is a quassel error. |
| 14:08.00 | abrotman | ... |
| 14:08.04 | Pronix | also not much info on /var/log/syslog |
| 14:08.21 | Pronix | so ill move that issue to the #quassel channel? |
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| 14:08.35 | Brigo | Pronix, the machine is running ok but quassel? |
| 14:09.16 | codekK | hello i have a chef/debian-7.4 box, im trying to enable a ACL support for set up a Symfony2 dev env. But i try all tips in Debian wiki and google about enable ACL. I have installed acl, libacl1, libacl1-dev. I have edited /etc/fstab too adding ",acl" for support at my root partition. But it dont take effect, if i do "mount | grep acl" it isnt enable. I try too with "mount -o remount,acl /" and same thing dont have ACL enable :S. I reboot a lot of times. |
| 14:09.17 | codekK | .. and when i use "setfacl" i get "setfacl: Operation not supported". Any tip??? |
| 14:09.24 | gry | Pronix: quasselcore has logs, you may want to check those first |
| 14:09.26 | Pronix | the machine is fine, quassel is the issue |
| 14:09.50 | Pronix | did, and the errors are what i posted above |
| 14:09.59 | no_gravity | Brigo: hmm... the only thing status related i can find there is the status of the print job: held since |
| 14:10.00 | Pronix | these two are the only ones that pop up |
| 14:10.02 | no_gravity | Fri 13 Jun 2014 04:09:21 PM CEST |
| 14:10.04 | no_gravity | "/usr/lib/cups/backend/hp failed" |
| 14:10.13 | Pronix | Warning: SignalProxy::handleInitRequest() received initRequest for unregistered Object: "IrcUser" "8/xragnar_" and Warning: Channel "#red" received data for unknown User "Rice" |
| 14:10.26 | Brigo | well, i never saw / used quassel, so i cannot help you about it. |
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| 14:11.32 | Bitcho | Pronix, me too |
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| 14:11.52 | Brigo | codekK, what is a chef/debian-7.4 box? |
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| 14:12.05 | codekK | is a Vagrant |
| 14:12.06 | codekK | box |
| 14:12.11 | abrotman | huh? |
| 14:12.11 | codekK | virtualbox machina |
| 14:12.17 | codekK | machine |
| 14:12.26 | codekK | virtual machine with debian 7.4 |
| 14:12.38 | abrotman | what does chef have to do with it? |
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| 14:14.06 | codekK | Chef is a provisioner that allow me to configure my virtual machien |
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| 14:17.50 | abrotman | it's a configuration management program |
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| 14:20.51 | refrax | I have a question about dhcp and hostname registration with DNS. I just installed wheezy on a new VM in a corporate environment, standard dhcp client, but it will not register a histname with DNS. Windows VMs register, fine. I'm sure I'm missing something but not sure where to start. |
| 14:21.42 | refrax | I have tried adding send host-name in dhclient.conf and then a "dhclient -r eth0 && dhclient eth0" but no change when trying to ping hostname from a windows machine, even after clearing dns cache |
| 14:21.51 | sunbeam | I've got a debian server, and at a certain time in the morning (huge traffic) it always crashes. Where can I find logs ? |
| 14:22.11 | Brigo | sunbeam, /var/log |
| 14:22.15 | refrax | sunbeam: logs in debian are in /var/logs |
| 14:22.32 | refrax | sunbeam: /var/log/messages.log might be a good place to start looking |
| 14:22.33 | sunbeam | which log file should i search? |
| 14:22.34 | sunbeam | ok |
| 14:23.10 | refrax | er just /var/log/messages I guess, no .log |
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| 14:23.15 | Sky_Symbol | hi |
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| 14:24.51 | sunbeam | refrax: kernel: [111450.447299] php-cgi[24849]: segfault at c ip 083005c0 sp bfc74510 error 4 in php5-cgi[8048000+73e000] |
| 14:25.34 | refrax | sunbeam: oh wow, well you found your error, but kernel segfaults are a bit beyond my expertise I'm afraid |
| 14:25.40 | Brigo | sunbeam, and the crashes? |
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| 14:25.57 | sunbeam | Brigo: how do you mean? |
| 14:25.59 | hotdisk | hello ppl, i'm a bit desperate... i've been trying to move 1.8 TB off of a ZFS pool for about a week and a half now. the pool contains a lot of small files, as well as some big files. Many git repositories, much small diverse stuff. Years of my digital footprints, backups, server environments, etc. |
| 14:26.03 | aramus | anyone else having issues grabbing hostname from dhcp server? |
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| 14:26.15 | Brigo | are there more logs entries after? |
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| 14:26.34 | hotdisk | I first tried CP, and gave up after a week, when the load was so high that it as copying literally a few k/s per minute. SSH refused to let me in. i had to reboot the box to get back in. |
| 14:26.41 | refrax | aramus: My new wheezy install will not register its hostname with DHCP as far as I can tell |
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| 14:26.57 | refrax | aramus: I can ping my IP, but not hostname |
| 14:27.14 | aramus | ah so just gonna have to make a file and grab it from a script |
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| 14:27.16 | refrax | hotdisk: try rsync? |
| 14:27.17 | hotdisk | Next up came a copy via tar. same thing. After a day, load was back up at 40, and while it started out fairly quick, performance degraded and over the first day it did 900gb, the second only 20. |
| 14:27.25 | hotdisk | Now i'm trying rsync, since 18 hours. |
| 14:27.32 | hotdisk | not a single BYTE written to disk so far. |
| 14:27.42 | hotdisk | and the load is back > 30 |
| 14:27.48 | hotdisk | and the disks are churning like crazy |
| 14:28.20 | Brigo | hotdisk, and you are only reading from zfs disk? |
| 14:28.33 | OpenTokix | refrax: you have to supply the hostname on the boot parameters for it to report it initially |
| 14:28.38 | aramus | er make a script and grab it from a file |
| 14:28.38 | aramus | lol |
| 14:28.44 | hotdisk | i am reading from two ZFS disks and writing to another ext3 parition on a separate drive |
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| 14:29.01 | peetaur2 | hotdisk: is the disk in good health? |
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| 14:29.40 | hotdisk | i got some read errors, but cp didnt die over it, neither did tar. Nothing critical. The target drive is brand new. |
| 14:29.49 | refrax | OpenTokix: like the grub boot parameters? |
| 14:29.54 | hotdisk | and i wrote 926GB to it so far. |
| 14:30.17 | hotdisk | either way, hdparm reports nothing suspicious about the three drives. |
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| 14:31.20 | OpenTokix | refrax: didnt you talk about the installer? |
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| 14:32.40 | petn-randall | hotdisk: And smartctl? |
| 14:32.59 | refrax | OpenTokix: oh no sorry, I already got the VM installed, and it's running Debian Wheezy now, and I can ping the IP address, but not the hostname which I set for it. I found a few things online that recommended setting the "send host-name" option in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, which I did, but no difference after releasing and re-getting my dhcp lease |
| 14:33.05 | hotdisk | http://pastebin.com/PW1av3fc |
| 14:33.17 | hotdisk | here some fun stats. just for shits and giggles. |
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| 14:33.51 | hotdisk | petn-randall: the drives are fine. |
| 14:33.51 | peetaur2 | hotdisk: when disks are in poor health, it helps to ddrescue or dd conv=noerror,sync your bad disks to new equal sized ones before trying to use them again. (and for zfs, in case of bugs, I think exporting the pool might be bad... doing a copy in a live cd might be better) |
| 14:34.33 | hotdisk | but let me double check smartctl |
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| 14:34.49 | hotdisk | any specific thing i should look out for, petn-randall ? |
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| 14:35.22 | hotdisk | just have to wait for ctrl-z to take effect. takes a while with a load this high :) |
| 14:35.34 | petn-randall | hotdisk: Those stats all don't tell anything about your disk health. hdparm just configures certain (performance) parameters. 'smartctl -a /dev/sdX' should tell you a) if the disk is healthy b) if you have read/write errors. |
| 14:36.12 | hotdisk | petn-randall: i just wanted to show you how a horribly overloaded system looks like :) hang on please. |
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| 14:38.21 | peetaur2 | hotdisk: I mostly look at Offline_Uncorrectable|Reallocated_Sector_Ct and the error log, and a few other error counts (end to end, reported uncorrect, etc.) |
| 14:38.56 | peetaur2 | the Offline_Uncorrectable|Reallocated_Sector_Ct are the most common cause of I/O errors when reading |
| 14:38.59 | hotdisk | still waiting for ctrl-z to do its thing... |
| 14:39.07 | hotdisk | i'm lucky ssh even still works. |
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| 14:40.03 | frostschutz | what's eating your memory? |
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| 14:41.45 | Brigo | hotdisk, did you try to split the information and do it a bit each day? |
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| 14:54.38 | ted20 | Hi. I've a problem with bluez (downgrading from testing to stable), he says: "Can't locate File/Path.pm in @INC (you may need to install the File::Path module (@INC contains /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.18.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.18.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.18 (...) at /usr/bin/deb-systemd-helper line 85. dpkg says: error exit status 2... |
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| 14:55.24 | nkuttler | !tell ted20 about downgrade |
| 14:55.27 | nkuttler | !tell ted20 about apt-file |
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| 14:56.15 | ted20 | fuck what? |
| 14:56.21 | ted20 | I know that |
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| 14:59.01 | ted20 | Here's support channel? |
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| 15:00.05 | gry | yes, ted20 |
| 15:00.11 | cloromorpho | root@QuadraNet:~# setsid ./tb_userspace tb0 216.218.226.23 107.182.xxx.xxx sit > /dev/null |
| 15:00.15 | cloromorpho | root@QuadraNet:~# execvp: No such file or directory |
| 15:00.17 | cloromorpho | any ideas |
| 15:00.26 | ted20 | cloromorpho: man, here isn't support channel |
| 15:00.33 | gry | no, it is |
| 15:00.41 | ted20 | Ah, I see |
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| 15:01.08 | gry | nkuttler suggests you downgrade, but i didn't read what dpkg told you.. so i don't know what he meant to say |
| 15:01.30 | gry | but if you want to ask why he suggests that after reading the messages you got, then feel free |
| 15:01.34 | nkuttler | sighs |
| 15:01.50 | nkuttler | ted20: you're trying to do something that's usually not possible |
| 15:02.16 | nkuttler | and install the missing file, genius. |
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| 15:04.09 | ted20 | nkuttler: It's possible, but you're still weak. |
| 15:04.30 | nkuttler | you should ask for your money back from the support hotline |
| 15:04.31 | ted20 | It was from systemd |
| 15:05.06 | ted20 | nkuttler: exactly, debian gives me money from my mistakes |
| 15:05.25 | LordDeath | is there a caldav / carddav server package available in wheezy? |
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| 15:06.25 | ted20 | LordDeath: check apt-cache search |
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| 15:07.32 | jelly | LordDeath: eg. "apt-cache search caldav" |
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| 15:08.09 | LordDeath | :) https://packages.debian.org/de/wheezy/davical |
| 15:09.31 | LordDeath | oh, I won't install and maintain postgresql-setup just for this :-/ |
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| 15:10.25 | ksk | ,versions nginx-common |
| 15:10.26 | judd | Package: nginx-common on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2; wheezy-backports: 1.4.6-1~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1.6.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.0-1; sid: 1.6.0-1 |
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| 15:21.49 | wjtaylor | Does debian support all-in-one printers |
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| 15:23.26 | Brigo | wjtaylor, almost all of them |
| 15:23.37 | formorer | wjtaylor: that depeqnds a lot on the model |
| 15:24.20 | wjtaylor | Brigo: I have a Dell 942... I can't seem to find any drivers for it, but it was a very popular model... |
| 15:24.55 | wjtaylor | My old printer is a parallel port printer.... and I no longer have a parallel port.... :) |
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| 15:25.19 | wjtaylor | Dell doesn't have any linux drivers for it... |
| 15:25.28 | wjtaylor | Does anyone provide 3rd party drivers? |
| 15:25.30 | hotdisk | petn-randall: i'm still waiting for ctrl-z to gain some responsivness btw, i'm not gone... |
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| 15:25.53 | hotdisk | peetaur2: ^^ |
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| 15:29.41 | Brigo | wjtaylor, did you know if your printer is postscript |
| 15:31.22 | wjtaylor | Brigo: not sure |
| 15:31.28 | wjtaylor | how can I find out |
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| 15:31.55 | Brigo | instructions? not sure where |
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| 15:32.20 | Gr1 | Hi guys |
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| 15:32.41 | wjtaylor | Brigo: is there a generic driver? I'll just try it and see what happens... |
| 15:32.46 | Gr1 | Any idea why top, ps and mpstat shows different statistics for the same server? |
| 15:32.52 | Gr1 | top says 98 % cpu used |
| 15:33.07 | Gr1 | ps says mysql is using up 122137% cpu |
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| 15:33.10 | Brigo | wjtaylor, yes there is one. |
| 15:33.13 | Gr1 | and mpstat says 97 % cpu idle |
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| 15:33.48 | Brigo | wjtaylor, http://www.openprinting.org/driver/Postscript-Dell/ |
| 15:34.03 | jeredepp | hello everyone, i upgraded to PHP 5.4.29 and now i get the error that yaml.so is missing, distribution is Debian, i tried to symlink and copy it and both give an error that it's built with another version, my question si how do i get it into the new version yaml should be available for PHP 5.4.29 |
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| 15:34.39 | simonlnu | jeredepp: pro tip: dpkg -l 'php*' |
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| 15:35.11 | Brigo | Gr1, may be they are not measuring some things |
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| 15:35.36 | Brigo | ,v yaml |
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| 15:35.38 | judd | No package named 'yaml' was found in i386. |
| 15:35.47 | Brigo | ,v php |
| 15:35.48 | judd | No package named 'php' was found in i386. |
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| 15:36.05 | Brigo | ,v php5 |
| 15:36.06 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u9; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u10; jessie: 5.6.0~beta3+dfsg-2; sid: 5.6.0~beta4+dfsg-2 |
| 15:36.08 | mikey | Hello all. I am having a hell of a time getting X to recognize the correct dimensions of my new monitor. I have gone as far as to manually shove "DisplaySize 641 480" into the Monitor section, but it still doesn't work. |
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| 15:36.17 | Gr1 | Brigo: But the %cpu used is more than 1 lakh, then the server would crawl right? |
| 15:36.20 | Gr1 | It is fast now |
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| 15:36.39 | wjtaylor | Brigo: thank you. I just found this :( https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/34248 |
| 15:36.44 | Gr1 | and from strace, mpstat is reading from /proc/stat |
| 15:36.44 | Brigo | !tell jeredepp about frankendebian |
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| 15:36.59 | Brigo | sorry, lakh? |
| 15:37.23 | xecycle | In wheezy can I have only gcc/g++-4.7 installed and without 4.6? This way I have no link `gcc' to 'gcc-4.7'. |
| 15:38.03 | Brigo | wjtaylor, sorry, then. :-/ |
| 15:38.19 | wjtaylor | Brigo: I appreciate your help, thank you. |
| 15:38.24 | Brigo | wjtaylor, np :) |
| 15:38.29 | xecycle | When I try to install `gcc' it wants me to install 4.6. |
| 15:38.41 | Brigo | xecycle, ifaik, yes, but do not remove the link |
| 15:38.48 | Brigo | ,v gcc |
| 15:38.49 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.8.2-4; sid: 4:4.9.0-3 |
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| 15:39.47 | xecycle | Brigo: Hmm but `gcc' depends on 4.6 and not 4.7 --- I meant to save disk space, you see. |
| 15:40.10 | xecycle | Guess it could manage with the two versions, after all. |
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| 15:41.01 | Brigo | xecycle, you can remove the gcc package, is only a virtual package. |
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| 15:42.01 | gzx234 | i'm at the disk partition step in the debian installer and want to encrypt /home. can someone tell me if this partition scheme looks right? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/WkIrUW4re5P-.png |
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| 15:42.43 | xecycle | Brigo: But neither `gcc' nor `cc' links to the 4.7 one properly :( update-alternatives complains about no alternatives for cc or gcc. |
| 15:43.54 | Brigo | xecycle, i espect if you remove 4.6 the system will update the links automagicaly to 4.7 |
| 15:44.08 | Brigo | xecycle, if not, you can reintall it |
| 15:44.14 | Brigo | reinstall* |
| 15:44.35 | xecycle | Brigo: reinstall what? 4.6 ones? |
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| 15:45.07 | Brigo | xecycle, you can remove 4.6 and if something go bad you can reinstall it. |
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| 15:46.26 | xecycle | Brigo: Ah yeah, I know that deb can manage well with two versions. But this is raspbian; I do consider space usage here, while actually not that much. |
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| 16:00.15 | BuFF | hi |
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| 16:03.28 | BuFF | can someone tell how to enable iptables? |
| 16:03.50 | BuFF | i cant find iptables service in /etc/init.d/ |
| 16:03.55 | BuFF | wth? |
| 16:04.11 | woffs | BuFF: there is no iptables service |
| 16:04.19 | BuFF | what? |
| 16:04.33 | woffs | BuFF: you could try iptables-persistent, if you want your tables saved and restored |
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| 16:05.18 | BuFF | woffs, so with iptables-persistent i will enable 'em? |
| 16:05.38 | woffs | BuFF: first you have to understand what iptables is |
| 16:05.41 | Brigo | BuFF, no, it will allow you -or the system- to save them when you reboot |
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| 16:07.34 | `ajven | is debian 7 already release ? |
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| 16:08.42 | Brigo | `ajven, yes, there is debin 7.4 btw |
| 16:09.01 | `ajven | Brigo: it god systemd inside already ? |
| 16:09.03 | `ajven | got* |
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| 16:10.14 | Brigo | `ajven, no, only in jessy (testing) the next one |
| 16:10.14 | BuFF | `ajven, if u want systemd u can try RHEL ;] |
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| 16:10.38 | `ajven | RHEL dont have systemd |
| 16:10.45 | `ajven | i work on RHEL in work |
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| 16:10.53 | `ajven | and it will be stupid to pud in RHEL systemd |
| 16:10.57 | `ajven | put* |
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| 16:11.20 | petn-randall | `ajven: Ever heard about RHEL7? |
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| 16:13.47 | Cpuroast | how reliable are the updates from squeeze-lts? |
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| 16:14.40 | BuFF | `ajven, petn-randall is right is RHEL 7 extualy |
| 16:14.58 | BuFF | it is * |
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| 16:15.29 | `ajven | so its stupid |
| 16:15.42 | `ajven | i didnt expect RHCL will put systemd inside ... |
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| 16:16.01 | `ajven | anyway RHCL cost its not cheep so i dont want to use it |
| 16:16.31 | woffs | Cpuroast: better change to wheezy if you can, is what I think |
| 16:16.50 | Cpuroast | woffs: it's a squeeze system on it's way out |
| 16:16.53 | petn-randall | `ajven: Please not another rant about systemd, we've been through that a lot as there was a vote about it in Debian. Try #linux, or maybe even #defocus. |
| 16:16.58 | Cpuroast | the service it supports will no longer be used |
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| 16:17.16 | Cpuroast | so squeeze-lts seems like a better solution |
| 16:17.39 | woffs | Cpuroast: upgrade is pretty easy, in most cases |
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| 16:17.49 | Cpuroast | woffs: I've done an upgrade test |
| 16:17.54 | Cpuroast | on a clone of this one |
| 16:18.02 | Cpuroast | it breaks the service |
| 16:18.04 | woffs | Cpuroast: even easier when the service is not used :-) |
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| 16:18.25 | woffs | Cpuroast: ok, fix it or keep on squeeze-lts. |
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| 16:18.45 | Cpuroast | yah, squeeze-lts until it's no longer needed |
| 16:18.51 | Cpuroast | which should be sometime this year |
| 16:19.24 | Cpuroast | we migrated everything else to wheezy |
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| 16:19.41 | Cpuroast | except our last centos 6.5 vm |
| 16:19.50 | Cpuroast | which needs to be migrated to wheezy as well |
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| 16:43.40 | bbtech | The notification tray is no longer displaying my chrome icon and hangouts icon. Has anyone else noticed this with recent updates? or is it just me? |
| 16:43.57 | bbtech | *using XFCE |
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| 16:52.39 | `ajven | its possible to install 32 bit vesion and 64 bit vesion of one package on debian |
| 16:52.42 | `ajven | ? |
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| 16:56.29 | Brigo | `ajven, i think so |
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| 16:57.30 | Brigo | `ajven, only sometimes, sorry. |
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| 17:06.23 | msrd0 | 'ajven: yes thats possible, the 32 bit versions have :i389 behind the package name |
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| 17:22.49 | Wulf | Hi |
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| 17:23.31 | Wulf | I get "Failed to fetch xz:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_jessie_main_source_Sources Hash Sum mismatch". Why is that happening? |
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| 17:24.01 | chimeracoder | I have power management turned off in iwconfig, but I still get "deauthenticating by local choice (reason=3)" periodically |
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| 17:24.16 | chimeracoder | I vaguely remember another fix (other than iwconfig power management), but I can't remember what it is - does anybody know? |
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| 17:24.31 | xreal | Why is debian wheezy often pushing the message "fuse: missing mountpoint parameter" when using fuse ? |
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| 17:26.58 | jelly-home | xreal: can you provide an example command line that does that? |
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| 17:27.22 | xreal | jelly-home: arcarchivemount test.tar.gz testing |
| 17:27.30 | xreal | jelly-home: avfsd |
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| 17:28.03 | jelly-home | xreal: is "testing" a valid mount point (an existing directory)? |
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| 17:28.14 | xreal | jelly-home: yep |
| 17:28.18 | xreal | it has been fixed on fedora |
| 17:28.24 | xreal | It's a bogus message... |
| 17:28.29 | xreal | Mount works as expected. |
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| 17:30.01 | jelly-home | xreal: so it's just cosmetic? You'll want to check the bug tracking system and see whether src:fuse package already has it reported. |
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| 17:30.19 | jelly-home | xreal: since it's cosmetic, it won't get fixed in wheezy. |
| 17:30.37 | xreal | jelly-home: no problem, I can do backports. perhaps I can provide the patch from fedora. |
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| 17:33.25 | xreal | Can I prevent cron from spamming my syslog? (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output) |
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| 17:34.56 | jelly-home | rsyslog has filtering options, or you can disable logging cron.* completely |
| 17:35.11 | xreal | jelly-home: I just want to prevent the NTA Messages. |
| 17:35.19 | xreal | I don'T have entered an email address in cron |
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| 17:36.01 | jelly-home | I'm surprised cron works without an /usr/sbin/sendmail at all |
| 17:36.35 | jelly-home | xreal: so filter them out, or install a null-client MTA |
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| 17:37.21 | xreal | jelly-home: what abount adding ">/dev/null 2>&1" and MAILTO="" ? |
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| 17:38.35 | jelly-home | xreal: I do not know whether that would stop such lines, where we run cron we like to read what it says because it means something went wrong |
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| 17:45.08 | voxadam | Has anyone managed to get mongodb installed from the repo on sid any time recently? Every time I attempt to install the package(s) I get an error when dpkg tries to start the daemon. I also get the same error when I try to start the service using the service command. http://pastebin.com/J1jGNE6C |
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| 17:46.43 | jelly-home | voxadam: #debian-next on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) may know more about sid.\ |
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| 17:47.29 | voxadam | jelly-home: Thanks for the tip. I had forgotten about #debian-next. |
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| 17:47.35 | jelly-home | voxadam: you're kind of expected to eat your own dog food, running sid |
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| 17:48.18 | voxadam | I understand. I just figured I'd ask, no reason not to see if anyone has already invented/debugged the wheel. |
| 17:48.37 | grothendieck | voxadam: probably would make more sense to ask mongodb people |
| 17:48.56 | voxadam | I'll try that too. Thanks. |
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| 17:51.40 | grothendieck | voxadam: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=704778 |
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| 17:52.42 | voxadam | grothendieck: Thanks. That was a stupid thing for me to miss. |
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| 17:54.13 | voxadam | I would have thought 2.3 gigs was enough free space. I suppose I still have a bit to learn. |
| 17:54.14 | grothendieck | ;) |
| 17:54.33 | voxadam | Hell, I should have at least checked /var/log/mongodb/mongodb.log. |
| 17:54.38 | grothendieck | heh |
| 17:54.52 | voxadam | hangs his head in shame. |
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| 18:08.57 | xreal | jelly-home: Wooooooooooooooooorked! |
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| 18:09.01 | xreal | jelly-home: MAILTO="" did it. |
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| 18:20.51 | subopt | When i start my X session should it automatically do `fc-cache` on my ~/.fonts dir? or maybe read my ~/.fontconfig/ dir? |
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| 18:49.18 | Ephexeve_laptop | Hey guys, unfortunatly my machine died, so I will need to use my gf's laptop, to make things easier, I will install debian on a usb so I can boot it from everytime, instead of using her windows. Is there any way I can do that? |
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| 18:49.29 | Ephexeve_laptop | I mena, i know I can use dd and etc, but I am on a windows machine |
| 18:49.53 | Ephexeve_laptop | Not really sure how to do that, note that I want to install it on the usb, not just boot it from and use it live |
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| 18:54.13 | petn-randall | Ephexeve_laptop: You can have a live system with an extra partition for persistence. Is just as good as a "standard" installation, and works around some of the quirks of frequently changing hardware. |
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| 18:54.17 | refrax | Ephexeve_laptop: in windows you can get a utility called Win32dickimager |
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| 18:54.23 | refrax | also diskimager haha |
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| 18:55.49 | petn-randall | refrax: Let's pretend on the keyboard c and s are like right next to each other ... ;) |
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| 18:57.07 | refrax | petn-randall: I have dyslexia I think I always swap those two letters when typing, to similarly hilarious result |
| 18:57.35 | petn-randall | thinks it was muscle memory. |
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| 18:59.59 | Ephexeve_laptop | petn-randall: Hmm, I see, will do that. and change apt-get install location? |
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| 19:00.19 | Ephexeve_laptop | btw, is debian ok for booting on a live? I was thinking perhaps arch, more lightweight |
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| 19:05.25 | petn-randall | Ephexeve_laptop: If you're asking if Arch or Debian is better suited, you'll probably get a biased answer in #debian ... :) |
| 19:05.56 | Ephexeve_laptop | petn-randall: Well, not asking what is better, I use both anyway, just though perhaps arch was lightweighter |
| 19:06.14 | petn-randall | !lightweight |
| 19:06.14 | dpkg | <mjg59> To a first approximation, when someone says "Lightweight" what they mean is "I don't understand the problems that the alternative solves". (http://mjg59.livejournal.com/136274.html) |
| 19:06.25 | petn-randall | :-> |
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| 19:17.58 | wlan3 | Hello hello |
| 19:18.05 | twau | Hi |
| 19:18.12 | wlan3 | I have a...doubt |
| 19:18.24 | wlan3 | About installing using a tftp server |
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| 19:19.41 | wlan3 | With debian versions prior to 7, I used to have available a single file image I told the systems to boot from. Cannot find such image for debian 7 |
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| 19:22.21 | wlan3 | How do I configure tftp booting for installing now? Or should I use fai (which was a bit painful to troubleshoot the last time) |
| 19:23.32 | formorer | wlan3: just extract netboot.tar.gz in your tftp server.. |
| 19:24.57 | voxadam | If I want mpt-statusd to NOT start shouldn't "insserv -r mpt-statusd" do it? |
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| 19:29.39 | petn-randall | voxadam: Depends a little which release of Debian you're running. Which is yours? |
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| 19:30.10 | voxadam | sid |
| 19:30.27 | petn-randall | !sid |
| 19:30.27 | dpkg | somebody said sid was the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 19:30.50 | petn-randall | Meh, voxadam, jessie/sid are supported in #debia-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:31.05 | voxadam | What about testing? |
| 19:31.06 | voxadam | :) |
| 19:31.07 | petn-randall | (was hoping the factoid would point that out. |
| 19:31.10 | petn-randall | ) |
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| 19:31.24 | petn-randall | voxadam: jessie = testing :) |
| 19:31.47 | petn-randall | !debian-next |
| 19:31.49 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 19:31.57 | petn-randall | ^^^^ there it is, voxadam :) |
| 19:31.58 | wlan3 | I prefer testing. Use testing at my laptop. Maybe not so good for production servers... |
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| 19:32.56 | voxadam | Does stable still use update-rc.d-insserv? |
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| 19:37.28 | petn-randall | voxadam: wheezy uses insserv/update-rc.d, yes. |
| 19:37.54 | voxadam | Thank you. |
| 19:38.01 | DammitJim | how can I find out what users are allowed to write to a mounted windows/samba share? |
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| 19:42.13 | Ephexeve_laptop | petn-randall: I am trying with universal usb installar, but the persisten is only availible in Ubuntu. Any idea? |
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| 19:43.01 | cap3lla | is there any service provider out there (like StartCom/StartSSL) which I can retrieve a SSL certificate for free, but that will last longer than 1 year? I know StartSSL and it works fine, but I have to renew it after 12months. Anyone does know another service for free, which offers longer periods for that purpose? |
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| 19:43.16 | AimHere | DammitJim, not easily, as I found out recently. Unix permissions take precedence over WinNT style permissions, so at the baseline, if the unix user can't see the file, he can't see the shared version |
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| 19:43.59 | AimHere | Once you have windows permissions in there, it gets more complicated |
| 19:44.03 | mjt | actually, winnt perms translates into unix perms (ACLs), and work in a similar way |
| 19:44.13 | mjt | on both systems that is |
| 19:44.30 | mjt | basically, what perms you have on linux, the same perms you'll have on win |
| 19:44.53 | AimHere | That's not completely true though |
| 19:45.06 | mjt | very close ;) |
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| 19:45.33 | mjt | and you can restrict stuff additionally in samba config ofcourse (or, rather, not open it up) |
| 19:45.38 | AimHere | Mind you I had an edge case recently where I was dishing up an ntfs share via samba, and managing permissions was layers of shitfuckery on one another |
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| 19:46.12 | AimHere | I found the best way to restrict access to a folder was to move it to another partition and restrict the whole rotten partition |
| 19:46.19 | wlan3 | AimHere, uses to happen with smb |
| 19:46.20 | cnodell | DammitJim, If I recall correctly, when you mount a filesystem that does not support unix file permissions you can specify the owner/user/permissions at mount time. If not I believe they default to root:root 644/755. If that is the case no one but root can write. It depends on how the partition was mounted though. Some automounters might automatically adjust permissions. |
| 19:46.51 | mjt | well, ntfs mounted on linux and exported via samba is a Bad Thing (tm) |
| 19:47.15 | mjt | because that will be 2 foreign layer translations |
| 19:47.17 | AimHere | Indeed, but the ntfs was non-negotiable |
| 19:47.18 | wlan3 | mjt, ntfs is a Bad Thing. |
| 19:47.46 | AimHere | And the alternative was to use the XP partition that the machine came with, which was formerly used by an 11 year old girl |
| 19:47.54 | mjt | ntfs works for millions of people and is very stable. But it uses different file access semantics |
| 19:48.37 | mjt | ntfs acls does not map into posix acls. or back. |
| 19:48.41 | wlan3 | mjt, and it also fragments itself. |
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| 19:50.07 | wlan3 | Oh come on |
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| 19:50.37 | wlan3 | Cannot install without creating a user unless expert install? Gotta reboot that virtual machine. |
| 19:50.54 | mjt | win defragments stuff, eg, by moving files used more often to the beginning of the drive. But effects from fragmentation are going away with introduction of SSDs. Anyway, it is a) childish to say that, and b) it is really not a ntfs-blaming (or windows-blaming) channel |
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| 19:51.48 | AimHere | Well the ntfs-blaming is ontopic if you're having debian talk to it |
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| 19:53.35 | Artemis3 | wlan3, i bet there is some nice debian installer parameter for it but, unless automating it doesnt matter (and if automated make a preseed) |
| 19:54.31 | wlan3 | Artemis3, what I do not like about expert install is it takes way more user input to install. |
| 19:54.52 | Artemis3 | wlan3, mostly hit enter tho :) |
| 19:55.05 | DammitJim | cnodell, thanks... looking into giving group permissions |
| 19:55.15 | Artemis3 | wlan3, with a preseed they don't have to |
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| 19:56.33 | Theoden | I need to run a script before network manager shuts down the network. Not sure how to do it. |
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| 19:57.18 | wlan3 | Artemis3, I never did with a preseed. All automatic installs I have ever done have been automated with FAI(was hard to figure that a certain variable in fai.conf was not being automagically set as it said in fai.conf though). |
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| 19:57.59 | Artemis3 | wlan3, with the preseed, you leave out the things you do want to be asked |
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| 20:00.16 | wlan3 | Artemis3, maybe should try that... |
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| 20:01.13 | Artemis3 | wlan3, its easy, but you need to do a manual install and pick up the answers, etc, have a vm ready |
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| 20:05.10 | wlan3 | Artemis3, but for the preseed is it needed for it to contain all answers? |
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| 20:14.48 | Achylles | I am trying to install mbrola-hb1 on my machine, but it is not in any debian suite or arch. It seems that mbrola voices from the official site > http://tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/ are not the same ones that are in debian. Debian is mission some voices. |
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| 20:19.36 | wlan3 | Achylles, what debian are you using? |
| 20:20.22 | Achylles | Debian GNU/Linux jessie/sid \n \l |
| 20:20.57 | wlan3 | Maybe there is some license issues related to some voices. |
| 20:22.04 | Achylles | wlan3, I have searched in debian home page and mbrola-hb1 or mbrola-hb2 for all arch and suite and it is not there |
| 20:22.47 | Achylles | wlan3, I do not think so, because the voices are free and they can be installed in Windows |
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| 20:23.21 | Achylles | I have a win machine with mbrola-hb1 and 2 installed |
| 20:23.46 | Achylles | But, cannot understand why it is not in any debian repos |
| 20:23.58 | wlan3 | Free Beer does not mean Freedom |
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| 20:28.23 | wlan3 | Achylles, I see mbrola is non-free. |
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| 20:30.12 | Achylles | wlan3, I already have mbrola installed on my system with lots of voices, but mbrola-hb1 or 2 does not show up |
| 20:30.37 | chimeracoder | Achylles: installed from where? you're not going to find it in the main repos, since it's not free software |
| 20:30.51 | chimeracoder | s/it/mbrola-hb1 |
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| 20:31.20 | Achylles | have to see my sources.list |
| 20:32.12 | wlan3 | chimeracoder, maybe from the non-free repos |
| 20:33.04 | formorer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.04 | formorer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:34.44 | hieran | Hi people |
| 20:34.51 | Achylles | I had a look in my sources.list and it is from non-free |
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| 20:35.32 | hieran | I have a couple of questions abour irc that nobody can answer me well |
| 20:35.40 | hieran | who wanna chat? |
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| 20:37.03 | Achylles | chimeracoder, what does this mean? s/it/mbrola-hb1 |
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| 20:37.31 | wlan3 | Achylles, substitute it with mbrola-hb1 |
| 20:37.32 | Achylles | any debian repos? |
| 20:37.35 | chimeracoder | Achylles: it meant "replace the first instance of 'it' in my previous statement with 'mbrola-hb1" |
| 20:37.49 | chimeracoder | (I was clarifying what I was referring to with "it") |
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| 20:52.34 | wlan3 | I don't love this stupid slow DSL... |
| 20:53.54 | abrotman | w/in 7 |
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| 21:02.23 | plm | I have this output with ls /dev/sd*: /dev/sda /dev/sda1. How I get the first one (/dev/sda) and second one (/dev/sda1) using sed? |
| 21:02.52 | buu | plm: Why sed? |
| 21:03.07 | abrotman | get them to do what? |
| 21:03.32 | buu | I'm hoping it involves riverdancing |
| 21:03.38 | plm | buu: becouse I dont have cut. Well but I have grep, xargs. I am using busybox and my compiled busybox dont have the cut |
| 21:03.52 | buu | plm: ls /dev/sd? |
| 21:03.59 | plm | buu: yes |
| 21:04.00 | buu | plm: ls /dev/sd?? |
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| 21:04.10 | plm | buu: yes |
| 21:04.10 | abrotman | plm: what are you acgtually trying to do ? |
| 21:04.16 | formorer | you mean you have: "ls /dev/sd*: /dev/sda /dev/sda1" and you want to have: "/dev/sda /dev/sda1" ? |
| 21:04.26 | plm | abrotman: get the first one, second one.. |
| 21:04.32 | abrotman | yes .. why? |
| 21:04.34 | buu | hahahahha |
| 21:04.35 | abrotman | to feed what? |
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| 21:05.10 | plm | abrotman: maybe I can to have this: /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:05.26 | plm | abrotman: And I would like to get just the last sdX |
| 21:05.28 | abrotman | gives up |
| 21:05.30 | plm | in this case sdb1 |
| 21:05.43 | plm | that was the last one usb mounted |
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| 21:05.54 | plm | abrotman: ^ |
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| 21:06.02 | buu | Wouldn't mount | grep usb; be easier |
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| 21:07.04 | plm | buu: mount | grep usb not works |
| 21:07.09 | plm | buu: like I want. |
| 21:07.31 | wlan3 | plm what about man sed? |
| 21:07.40 | buu | plm: ls /dev/sd* | tail -1 |
| 21:07.59 | abrotman | doesn't get how sed is involved |
| 21:08.07 | abrotman | he wants them all on one line? |
| 21:08.14 | plm | buu: good :) thanks |
| 21:08.55 | plm | buu: ohh the tail -1 not works for tail of busybox. |
| 21:09.07 | plm | well, I think I will compile busybox with cut.. |
| 21:09.10 | buu | tail -n 1? |
| 21:09.12 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 21:09.30 | plm | buu: ohh yes! :) |
| 21:09.35 | abrotman | plm: cat /proc/partitions ? |
| 21:09.44 | plm | buu: works.. |
| 21:09.57 | buu | abrotman: My psychic powers are telling me he's writing a script to attempt to guess the partition mounted when he plugs in a usb drive to his embedded device |
| 21:10.15 | plm | buu: yes |
| 21:10.17 | abrotman | much better ways to do that |
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| 21:11.29 | buu | abrotman: Actually now I'm curious, how would you determine which disk/device is attached via usb? |
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| 21:15.09 | wlan3 | buu, dmesg | grep /dev/sd | tail -1 |
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| 21:16.39 | abrotman | wlan3: that won't work |
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| 21:23.30 | dimitry7 | Hey Guys, Hello. I have serious problems with my package system: http://pastebin.com/wrJ9mwAw |
| 21:24.12 | dimitry7 | I tried to do rescue mode with a debian wheezy CD but it failed saying that some packages failed to be installed |
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| 21:24.41 | wlan3 | abrotman, yes, just tried. |
| 21:24.47 | abrotman | yes what? |
| 21:25.03 | wlan3 | Yes it would not work |
| 21:25.15 | abrotman | ah okay |
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| 21:28.03 | wlan3 | I tried to install lilo, failed, tried to install grub2, hang... |
| 21:29.25 | wlan3 | Is 256MB too little for a normal expert install? |
| 21:29.39 | KaaK | brand new to systemd -- now can rc.local be reproduced? |
| 21:29.43 | babilen | dimitry7: Where is DbSecuritySpt from? What does "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/DbSecuritySpt" give you? |
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| 21:31.26 | wlan3 | I got all messed up |
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| 21:32.28 | wlan3 | Is 128 MB of RAM and 1.5GB of storage too little for a base |
| 21:32.33 | wlan3 | install? |
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| 21:33.11 | Sh1G3rU | nope |
| 21:34.37 | dimitry7 | babilen, yes you are right, you know, my server was hacked |
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| 21:34.52 | dimitry7 | I missed check exactly that, let me see if I can fix it |
| 21:35.08 | babilen | dimitry7: I believe that you have a more severe problem than just a dependency loop due to missing LSB tags in your init script (/msg dpkg lsb tags) -- https://github.com/ValdikSS/billgates-botnet-tracker |
| 21:35.30 | babilen | dimitry7: Yeah, obviously some malware |
| 21:35.39 | babilen | (cupsdd that is) |
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| 21:38.29 | dimitry7 | babilen, really? |
| 21:38.37 | dimitry7 | babilen, how can I see and delete that? |
| 21:39.09 | dimitry7 | I was infected by a process called b26 and b26h |
| 21:39.12 | babilen | dimitry7: Well, I wouldn't necessarily advice to keep on working with that server. Who knows what else has been compromised?! |
| 21:39.26 | dimitry7 | Which I guess were to send DDos Attacks |
| 21:39.47 | dimitry7 | babilen, yes... that's right |
| 21:39.57 | dimitry7 | babilen, what do you suggest me to do? |
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| 21:41.48 | babilen | dimitry7: Well, you can either try to repair that box (remove the scripts in question as suggested in that link), clean your crontab (could you paste the output of "cat /var/spool/cron/crontabs/* /etc/crontab" to http://paste.debian.net ) and so on .. |
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| 21:42.41 | babilen | dimitry7: I would however rather recommend to make an image of that box and reinstall it from scratch (or restore your lattest good backup) -- It should go without saying that you should fix the security hole that made this possible. |
| 21:42.43 | zinx | babilen: back up important data, make sure it has no executables, reinstall |
| 21:43.00 | zinx | erh, dimitry7 |
| 21:43.26 | ctmjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.36 | babilen | dimitry7: I wouldn't necessarily restore data from that system, but use earlier backups (but then most data is probably fine and you might need up-to-date data) |
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| 21:47.35 | dimitry7 | babilen, Yes I speeded yesterday almost all the afternoon cleaning the box, deleting crontabs and removing every executable I found had nothind to do with the system |
| 21:47.52 | dimitry7 | and today I tried to do rescue installed and failed. |
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| 21:48.20 | babilen | dimitry7: As I said: That box should not be considered safe and you would do yourself (and the rest of the internet) a favour if you quarantine it and reinstall it *from scratch* |
| 21:49.14 | dimitry7 | I had those outputs... just let me find them |
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| 21:50.11 | dimitry7 | ctmjr, yes you are right, but there is an app there which is intact |
| 21:50.32 | dimitry7 | it is on production, my mistake was to leave one public IP for a night with no firewall at all |
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| 21:51.17 | dimitry7 | ctmjr, I am seeing how to migrate that app, meanwhile the server is only accesible from my LAN, it is no longer connected directly to the Internet |
| 21:51.42 | darkblue_b | hi all - I mounted a Debian install .iso, amde changes to the menu system to enable auto install, and then rebuilt an .iso from it.. for the first time, last night |
| 21:51.51 | babilen | dimitry7: Seriously, get that box offline. |
| 21:52.12 | dimitry7 | babilen, :-O |
| 21:52.13 | dimitry7 | okay |
| 21:52.19 | dimitry7 | im taking it down now |
| 21:52.20 | darkblue_b | how do people do an automated install ? |
| 21:53.03 | darkblue_b | for a headless VM.. |
| 21:53.17 | darkblue_b | I was following this recipe.. but the details are stale I think http://www.sgvulcan.com/installing-debian-using-only-ssh/ |
| 21:53.40 | darkblue_b | becaues the auto-answer script gets only half-way through a 7.5 install |
| 21:53.41 | dimitry7 | babilen, |
| 21:53.50 | dimitry7 | how can I see my orhter servers are not compromised? |
| 21:53.56 | darkblue_b | .. I have only gone through the entire procedure once so far |
| 21:54.27 | jmcnaught | dimitry7: you probably won't be able to clean up the infection without a complete reinstall. How are you supposed to know all the places the malware is hiding? You should even treat your data as suspect. And next time this happens (hopefully never :) take the box down immediately. There's a pretty good chance you've damaged the reputation of your IP (and that of your neighbours) in addition to the harm caused by whoever DDoS target was |
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| 21:55.03 | darkblue_b | dimitry7: I have had only two or three serious security problems, and I was lucky to find the malware right away |
| 21:55.36 | darkblue_b | .. it can be well hidden though.. I agree with jmcnaught - all aspects of the system are suspect after compromise.. there are too many places to hide |
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| 21:57.42 | wlan3 | darkblue_b, I'd suggest if you'd like to learn things to use FAI. |
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| 21:58.50 | dimitry7 | jmcnaught, I agree with you. |
| 21:58.56 | dimitry7 | darkblue_b, how did you find it? |
| 21:59.10 | dimitry7 | I did almost everything by looking at the processes |
| 21:59.22 | dimitry7 | the runnung ones. |
| 22:00.19 | wlan3 | dimitry7, there are ways to hid processes |
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| 22:01.16 | wlan3 | The attacker might have even recompiled your kernel to hide processes. |
| 22:01.25 | dimitry7 | wlan3, really? wow okay. I am backing up and reinstalling. By the way. Could you tell me if these iptables rules are secure enough? http://pastebin.com/LfkZjJMN |
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| 22:01.35 | dimitry7 | wlan3, really? omg! |
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| 22:01.59 | darkblue_b | dimitry7: the most recent one.. I had a VM at Hetzner.. I got a notice that the VM was generating a certain kind of network traffic and Hetzner closed the network interface.. I followed a procedure to log on, changed to root, and there was a directory in /root that was not hiddent.. inside the dir were the malware files, some of the filenames look like they might be chinese characters to me |
| 22:02.06 | wlan3 | dimitry7, yes, there are people who like to do weird things to servers. |
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| 22:02.43 | darkblue_b | .. since it was a VM, I copied the VM disk image, then ran it locally with the network interface off |
| 22:03.00 | darkblue_b | wlan3: what is FAI ? |
| 22:03.03 | brauliobo_ | hello all, I wan't to use somw debian testing packages on ubuntu, but I can find where the debian testing keys are to add. how find I find debian testing key? |
| 22:03.11 | brauliobo_ | can't |
| 22:03.18 | dimitry7 | wlan3, OMG, they bastards. |
| 22:03.21 | wlan3 | darkblue_b, Software for fully automating installs. |
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| 22:03.48 | dimitry7 | darkblue_b, I understand. How can I keep track of new malware? |
| 22:03.52 | dimitry7 | and how can I protect from it? |
| 22:04.05 | wlan3 | brauliobo_, apt-get install debian-keyring? |
| 22:04.06 | dimitry7 | and how can I make sure my IPtables is really protecting me? |
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| 22:04.23 | wlan3 | Well I have to go dinner |
| 22:04.27 | darkblue_b | you can read the source code to rkhunter if you are interested.. I am not |
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| 22:04.50 | darkblue_b | I do want to automate installs of debian though |
| 22:04.56 | brauliobo_ | dimitry7: the debian-keyring itself is not signed on ubuntu, that is, it is coming from debian testing repo |
| 22:06.28 | jmcnaught | dimitry7: constant vigilance, defence in depth, always keep software updated, limit the attack surface, think of ways you might break in yourself and protect against those, always learn as much as you can. A firewall with iptables is an essential part, but it's not enough on its own |
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| 22:07.18 | darkblue_b | .. dont install php ;-) |
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| 22:08.39 | ctmjr | brauliobo_: if you want to add a debian repository to ubuntu your on your own. I do not think anyone here will help you break your system. |
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| 22:09.19 | dimitry7 | jmcnaught, wow.... that's what I needed to be told... and you did. I will do it. Meanwhile... IPtables is the only thing I have... what else should I do? |
| 22:09.42 | dimitry7 | also.... is there a procedure to follow in these situations? |
| 22:09.48 | brauliobo_ | ctmjr: i just want to install one package, I've already set the preference on apt |
| 22:09.53 | darkblue_b | change /etc/ssh/sshd_config Allow root login NO |
| 22:10.13 | darkblue_b | make sure your packages are up to date |
| 22:10.28 | darkblue_b | use strong passwords |
| 22:10.39 | dimitry7 | perfect |
| 22:10.46 | dimitry7 | darkblue_b, excelet |
| 22:11.13 | darkblue_b | one of my problems was.. I installed postgres, and was doing so many things.. and, I forgot that the login to postgres user was password 'postgres' |
| 22:11.33 | darkblue_b | some robo-script tried to break in with user postgres password postgres, and it got in |
| 22:11.37 | jmcnaught | dimitry7: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html and the security content in http://debian-handbook.info/get/ are both good places to start |
| 22:11.47 | dimitry7 | darkblue_b, excellent!... really?? OMG... robo-script? |
| 22:11.53 | dimitry7 | what is that? |
| 22:12.04 | dimitry7 | jmcnaught, thank you very much man! Let me see... |
| 22:12.05 | darkblue_b | all machines are subject to constant robo-scripts.. it is a fact of life on the INternets |
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| 22:13.03 | dimitry7 | darkblue_b, oh yes, is there a security page you follow to keep up to date with those newly discovered? |
| 22:13.17 | darkblue_b | no - too much time.. I want to work on other things |
| 22:13.30 | darkblue_b | just do your secirity updates regualrly |
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| 22:13.49 | jmcnaught | dimitry7: you could also subscribe to security mailing lists, at the very least the debian security announcements list |
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| 22:14.22 | dimitry7 | darkblue_b, yes I do them regularty, I keep constant on that |
| 22:14.32 | dimitry7 | jmcnaught, excellent, I will do it. |
| 22:14.42 | dimitry7 | wow too many homework today... |
| 22:15.46 | dimitry7 | is there a security checklist?? like... checking password strenght... checking only needed packages... cheking active connections... i don't know |
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| 22:18.00 | darkblue_b | the pros seem to use ssh keys constantly.. one key pair for each machine and each user |
| 22:18.16 | darkblue_b | so you have a key and a passphrase both |
| 22:18.30 | darkblue_b | honestly I dont do that myself.. but I am considering it |
| 22:18.37 | dimitry7 | darkblue_b, do you mean keys instead of passwords??? |
| 22:18.38 | dimitry7 | :-O |
| 22:18.55 | geekatcomputers | Hey everyone, so I've run into a huge issue with one of the servers I've taken over. Everytime I try to install a package this happens: http://sprunge.us/TAhb |
| 22:18.59 | geekatcomputers | I'm totally lost |
| 22:19.01 | darkblue_b | a key pair generally has a passphrase also |
| 22:19.40 | dimitry7 | oh yes, it is optionally to set it with a password yes |
| 22:19.52 | dimitry7 | darkblue_b, what encrypion? RSA ? |
| 22:20.21 | darkblue_b | well dimitry7 I have been writing code for longer than some people have been alive, however I am not a security expert.. |
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| 22:21.01 | darkblue_b | I am running rkhunter --check on a server now.. |
| 22:21.15 | funkster | having an issue, i have .xsession script that load matchbox window manager and then chromium-browser --kiosk --fullscreen http://www.google.com , if i run it when booted into standard WM, it will fullscreen (f11) automatically, then i run that script in matchbox via .xsession, it only maximizes the window. I need it to truely fullscreen with no address bar/tabs - anyone have an idea? |
| 22:21.24 | darkblue_b | unless someone says otherwise, rkhunter seems like a simple proteciton to add |
| 22:22.00 | dimitry7 | may I run that??? |
| 22:22.01 | geekatcomputers | dimitry7: I typically use ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096. |
| 22:22.23 | wlan3 | geekatcomputers, Well I actually use 8192 |
| 22:23.20 | geekatcomputers | <insertpunaboutusingbitsover9000> |
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| 22:23.58 | darkblue_b | reaches for perfect xkcd comic but loses interest |
| 22:24.30 | geekatcomputers | https://xkcd.com/538/ |
| 22:24.35 | geekatcomputers | Had too |
| 22:24.36 | wlan3 | geekatcomputers, over nine thousand was actually a translation bug only present in English translation. |
| 22:24.53 | geekatcomputers | Oh, I did not know that |
| 22:24.56 | geekatcomputers | TIL |
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| 22:26.05 | brauliobo_ | ctmjr: dimitry7: install debian-keyring didn't make any difference! |
| 22:26.29 | brauliobo_ | still got W: Erro GPG: http://ftp.debian.org testing InRelease: As assinaturas a seguir não puderam ser verificadas devido à chave pública não estar disponível: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 on apt-get update |
| 22:26.39 | wlan3 | brauliobo_, Are you sure you want debian repos instead of individual packages? |
| 22:27.02 | brauliobo_ | wlan3: yeah, because I want the latest request-tracker4 and all its deps... |
| 22:27.06 | brauliobo_ | which are many |
| 22:27.19 | brauliobo_ | i've already set an /etc/apt/preference |
| 22:27.29 | wlan3 | brauliobo_, use gdebi-gtk for installing it |
| 22:27.52 | wlan3 | brauliobo_, use gdebi-gtk for installing it(request-tracker4) |
| 22:27.54 | brauliobo_ | wlan3: i'm using Chef to install packages |
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| 22:29.24 | srged | when I try to printscreen a browser page, it'd not show up. it only shows the top bar of te page but not the actual content |
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| 22:31.22 | srged | wlan3: use kill -9 |
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| 22:31.57 | abrotman | ahem .. |
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| 22:35.59 | wlan3 | Who did mention about headless virtualization? http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-kvm-on-a-debian-squeeze-server |
| 22:36.06 | systmkor | what is the preferred method of setting network configurations for a debian server |
| 22:36.15 | systmkor | a network manager or just manually? |
| 22:36.43 | darkblue_b | wlan3: I am trying to increase my automation.. I am using virtualbox right now, headless |
| 22:36.44 | wlan3 | systmkor, as long as I know, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:37.09 | systmkor | wlan3: m'kay thanks |
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| 22:37.49 | wlan3 | darkblue_b, as long as I've tested, accelerated qemu-kvm is quite faster than virtualbox |
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| 22:38.19 | dimitry7 | geekatcomputers, okay thank you!! :-) |
| 22:38.26 | dimitry7 | hold on guys, my pc slowed down |
| 22:39.25 | wlan3 | I am a bit jealous of people with IPv6, I only have IPv4 here in Spain. |
| 22:39.26 | darkblue_b | wlan3: well I started down the path of virtualbox and it works fine for me.. thx though.. speed of execution is really not the problem.. consistant recipes to install is what I am lacking |
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| 22:40.18 | darkblue_b | as mentioned above.. I modified a debian iso with custom menus and defaults and installed with that to a headless setup, but there are still problems |
| 22:40.37 | darkblue_b | I cant believe this isnt solved.. I just have not found it |
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| 22:41.05 | wlan3 | darkblue_b, for automating debian-based (and I think suse-based too) installs, FAI(Fully Automated Install) is what I've tried that works as expected7 |
| 22:41.41 | darkblue_b | I have the FAI page open.. do you use a standard net-install .iso ? |
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| 22:42.16 | wlan3 | No, it uses a chroot and network booting |
| 22:42.18 | smrtz|nix | I'm trying to make an upstart.conf script start after networking, so I can't use 'start on startup'. What do you guys recommend I use? |
| 22:42.28 | darkblue_b | PXE booting? |
| 22:42.40 | darkblue_b | chroot - - sounds like the 90s |
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| 22:43.11 | smrtz|nix | darkblue_b: no, I'm just writing an SCP script |
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| 22:43.32 | smrtz|nix | chroot? 90s? I still use chroot all the time! |
| 22:43.41 | darkblue_b | no ofeense instended |
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| 22:44.05 | darkblue_b | no offense intended.. just trying to figure out a simple solution |
| 22:44.27 | wlan3 | darkblue_b, PXE=Pre eXecution Environment |
| 22:44.50 | siignal | hi. i installed Debian on an instance with a new VM provider i just signed up with, i am trying to set the hostname but i notice there is no line for 127.0.1.1, do i need to add this? thx.. |
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| 22:45.00 | darkblue_b | chroot means .. you make a directory somewhere, populate an entire linux filesystem, then chroot to that so it runs.. is that right? |
| 22:45.13 | smrtz|nix | darkblue_b: oh, I thought you were talking to me. Sorry |
| 22:45.24 | darkblue_b | I am talking to everyone .. no worries |
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| 22:45.38 | smrtz|nix | darkblue_b: I normally use chroot to "change root" into another already existing filesystem. |
| 22:46.13 | wlan3 | I use chroot quite a bit an I was born in 1993 |
| 22:46.25 | smrtz|nix | wlan3: same, to both things. |
| 22:46.37 | darkblue_b | yeah .. you see .. the Amazon model has "won" .. I think there are lots and lots of really clever / intereting / time consuming things you can do. but I really want more of an autoamted model |
| 22:47.00 | twostone | damn, now i feel old... |
| 22:47.05 | darkblue_b | modifying a boot .iso was interesting, but so many deep dark secrests |
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| 22:47.29 | darkblue_b | d-l this d-l that.. iir |
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| 22:47.53 | darkblue_b | .. going to a mtg, back later.. thx all |
| 22:48.04 | wlan3 | Heh, FAI is hard to master, but you can have it ready for unnattendedly mass-installing systems in around a day. |
| 22:48.27 | linux|newb | I copied a directory from a vista machine to a debian machine and I can't chmod or chown the contents and consequently can't access the files... any pointers? |
| 22:49.10 | wlan3 | linux|newb, cannot do such being root or being a user? |
| 22:49.12 | smrtz|nix | So anyway, I'd like to not have to creat a init.d service for this, because that's a little out of my depth. I'm hoping I can use upstart, and trigger my script after the whole computer is done booting, and has an IP address. I can gurentee it'll be plugged into ethernet at boot, is that good enough to just use 'start on startup'? |
| 22:49.22 | linux|newb | root |
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| 22:50.23 | wlan3 | smrtz|nix, how about using start on startup and starting the script with some sleep time? |
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| 22:51.10 | Otyugh | hey in there ! I can't explain why I don't get myself into the "audio" group. There is th thing ; |
| 22:51.10 | Otyugh | [otyugh@armServ ~]$ sudo usermod -a -G audio otyugh |
| 22:51.10 | Otyugh | [otyugh@armServ ~]$ groups |
| 22:51.10 | Otyugh | users wheel |
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| 22:51.38 | abrotman | Otyugh: did you login/logout? |
| 22:51.41 | smrtz|nix | wlan3: I thought about that, but I don't know how I feel about using dead reconing.... I'm trying to be as explisit as possible with this. |
| 22:51.52 | Otyugh | abrotman: It's needed ? |
| 22:52.00 | Otyugh | Never heard of that before :s |
| 22:52.11 | abrotman | new to linux eh? |
| 22:52.21 | Otyugh | not at all. That's the worst x) |
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| 22:53.52 | wlan3 | smrtz|nix, how about an until loop that makes a ping -c 1? |
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| 22:54.47 | smrtz|nix | wlan3: hadn't thought about that. Can I use the exit status of ping to determin it's succes? |
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| 22:55.23 | wlan3 | smrtz|nix, I think it gives some exit status feedback. |
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| 22:55.50 | smrtz|nix | wlan3: I'm just trying to figure out how I'd put that as the conditional... |
| 22:55.54 | Otyugh | abrotman: thanks, it was it. I find it strange I never was aware of that before. :O |
| 22:56.08 | abrotman | Okay |
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| 22:57.21 | wlan3 | smrtz|nix, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/921398/exit-status-of-the-ping-command |
| 22:57.45 | smrtz|nix | wlan3: Awesome, thanks for the help! |
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| 22:58.37 | dimitry7 | did you know unhide.rb? |
| 22:59.05 | wlan3 | smrtz|nix, I love when people recognize help instead of saying "I'm discounting you 12% for not using sudo" |
| 22:59.14 | dimitry7 | darkblue_b, rkhunter says everything is OK... |
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| 23:00.12 | smrtz|nix | wlan3: same, sudo's usage should be implied where necissary. |
| 23:00.15 | linux|newb | I am such a noob. I was trying to set permissions on a directory on an nfs share from a client but hadn't first opened them up on host |
| 23:00.18 | linux|newb | :phew |
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| 23:02.37 | wlan3 | smrtz|nix, well the person in question didn't know that by default in opensuse sudo asks for root's password. |
| 23:03.01 | dimitry7 | sorry for interrupting... is it a security risk to use sudo? |
| 23:03.19 | linux|newb | dimitry7: only if you do sudo rm * |
| 23:03.22 | smrtz|nix | wlan3: Oh, I didn't catch that. |
| 23:03.44 | smrtz|nix | dimitry7: no. It's a HUGE security risk to give sudo out like candy though. |
| 23:04.14 | smrtz|nix | You, using sudo on your personal system, is more secure than using root (or even su) |
| 23:04.15 | dimitry7 | linux|newb, really? isn't there a way to scale privileges by giving many users the access to be root (as with sudo) ? |
| 23:04.36 | wlan3 | smrtz|nix, I prefer saying that what can be achieved with sudo can be achieved with setuid+acl |
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| 23:04.52 | dimitry7 | by the way... how can I check all my FS files integrity? |
| 23:04.58 | linux|newb | dimitry7: I was just teasing, my example wasn't even really, technically a security risk just a blunder... you can augment permissions in groups if that's what you're asking |
| 23:05.23 | linux|newb | people shouldn't be added to sudoers unless necessary, IMO |
| 23:05.29 | smrtz|nix | wlan3: lol. |
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| 23:05.58 | wlan3 | smrtz|nix, I'm not saying it would be less work though |
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| 23:06.19 | smrtz|nix | So, my port 80,8080, and 443 just went down. I can't use the internet. |
| 23:06.32 | smrtz|nix | This sucks. |
| 23:06.47 | dimitry7 | here in my orgnizations is necessary that my workmates use sudo since they make config for postgres (DB admin) squid (support engineer), etc |
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| 23:07.01 | dimitry7 | and I was considering just to set a root password... and only me can be sudo... |
| 23:07.23 | linux|newb | I feel like that should be reversed |
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| 23:07.38 | dimitry7 | reversed? how? |
| 23:07.41 | jmcnaught | dimitry7: the benefit of sudo is you can use it to give other users root privilege for only specific commands |
| 23:07.56 | dimitry7 | jmcnaught, exactly |
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| 23:08.08 | dimitry7 | but they used it on a daily basis to all their tasks |
| 23:08.40 | linux|newb | yes - but imagine this, they each make a change with root and you want to audit the actions... how do you know which physical individual committed it? |
| 23:08.50 | dimitry7 | From My openbsd box i removed sudo, didn't like when i said: sudo su ... and it didn't even prompted for my passowrd |
| 23:09.02 | jmcnaught | dimitry7: as for your question ^^ about checking file system integrity you could use an intrusion detection system like tripwire, aide, or stealth.. but these only work if they're in place before a system is compromised |
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| 23:09.15 | dimitry7 | linux|newb, that is a perfect chance for me to ask: how can I track them? |
| 23:09.17 | wlan3 | dimitry7, oh please not sudo su but sudo -i |
| 23:09.57 | dimitry7 | jmcnaught, Okay, thank you,! Perfect... but why wouln't they work after? |
| 23:10.18 | dimitry7 | wlan3, I always use sudo su - |
| 23:10.37 | dimitry7 | what is the difference? I read the man page but don't understand it |
| 23:10.40 | wlan3 | dimitry7, that hurts kittens. |
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| 23:11.32 | dimitry7 | jmcnaught, rkhunter reported a clean system... |
| 23:11.40 | jmcnaught | dimitry7: the wouldn't work after the fact because they aren't time-travelling technology. They monitor for changes, not for what *should* be there |
| 23:12.07 | wlan3 | jmcnaught, I want time-travelling e |
| 23:12.17 | wlan3 | s/e/tech |
| 23:12.39 | jmcnaught | dimitry7: take it with a grain of salt. it's still possible that rkhunter isn't able to detect the particular rootkit that may or may not be on your system. The whole idea of a root kit is that the kernel is modified to lie to you and prevent discovery |
| 23:12.49 | dimitry7 | jmcnaught, oh yes, I would like to know the changes only |
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| 23:13.39 | dimitry7 | jmcnaught, :-O... isn't there a way to check kernel integrity? |
| 23:14.35 | jmcnaught | dimitry7: friend you should reinstall. there's no way to tell for certain that your system isn't lying to you once it's been compromised. |
| 23:14.42 | wlan3 | you can calculate its hash anytime you change it |
| 23:15.28 | dimitry7 | jmcnaught, yes bro I will reinstall. But I want to do some forensics before hehe |
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| 23:18.01 | jmcnaught | dimitry7: well i use tripwire on my systems. it notifies me any time a file that is monitored has been changed. basically my workflow any time i do updates or changes is: 1. review tripwire report 2. if something has changed that shouldn't have investigate further 3. if everything is fine make changes or apply updates 4. update tripwire database |
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| 23:19.50 | dimitry7 | jmcnaught, wow perfect! tripwire with what options? |
| 23:20.04 | jmcnaught | dimitry7: the ones in the documentation :) |
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| 23:20.40 | dimitry7 | hehe okay .p |
| 23:20.56 | wlan3 | Checking for 'Spanish' rootkit .___. |
| 23:21.19 | dimitry7 | how can I update the database? |
| 23:22.41 | wlan3 | Oh come on it warns me of ssh root access allowed when it is keypar-only access |
| 23:22.57 | jmcnaught | dimitry7: you can't expect a tool like tripwire to provide you any assurances if you don't read the documentation and understand it thoroughy |
| 23:23.16 | dimitry7 | jmcnaught, okay I am reading it. |
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| 23:27.35 | wlan3 | After doing an expert install, is there a way to save the answers to a file? |
| 23:28.00 | abrotman | !preseed |
| 23:28.00 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
| 23:28.46 | wlan3 | I know that there is preseeding |
| 23:31.34 | wlan3 | base-config is deprecated |
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| 23:40.24 | dimitry7 | chkrootkit says unhidr.rb [WARNING] |
| 23:40.29 | dimitry7 | what would that mean? |
| 23:41.07 | Nik05 | doesnt it say more? |
| 23:41.35 | dimitry7 | Nik05, noup, only that |
| 23:41.53 | dimitry7 | it says the same for pkill |
| 23:41.55 | dimitry7 | pgrep |
| 23:41.59 | dimitry7 | top |
| 23:42.05 | Nik05 | check if there are flags to get more verbose output |
| 23:42.22 | SynrGy | probably false positives, but you should make that determination yourself |
| 23:42.28 | dimitry7 | Nik05, okay let me see. |
| 23:42.43 | dimitry7 | how can I check their integrity? debsum would work? |
| 23:43.00 | Nik05 | like debsum or you can manually check checksums |
| 23:43.01 | dimitry7 | because I am learning tripwire now... |
| 23:43.13 | dimitry7 | Nik05, okay how do I do it? |
| 23:44.22 | Nik05 | calculate the checksum and compare with some trusted source |
| 23:44.33 | Nik05 | but probvably just a false positive |
| 23:44.50 | wlan3 | I love little virtualized debians speeds at my home server |
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| 23:47.08 | dimitry7 | Nik05, thanks!! perfect, let me see |
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| 23:49.15 | vook | What alternatives might there be for ssmtp (as it seems to be broken) and/or how can I set up systems to use smtp when the "mail" command is used? |
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| 23:51.18 | jmcnaught | vook: msmtp-mta is similar but doesn't set the time field on outgoing mails. Postfix could also be used if configured like this: http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#null_client |
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| 23:51.58 | jmcnaught | vook: if you do "apt-cache showpkg mail-transport-agent" there's a list of "Reverse Provides" at the end which lists packages you might use |
| 23:52.15 | vook | ok, thanks |
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| 23:55.50 | wlan3 | ok, 2... farewell. |
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| 23:59.09 | dimitry7 | Nik05, okay checksums match |
| 23:59.32 | dimitry7 | but rkhunter finds warning only on the box compromised... not in the others |
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| 23:59.59 | Nik05 | probably some false positives ;) |
