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| 00:01.07 | queso | Why isn't there a python3-virtualenv package in Wheezy? How am I supposed to create a virtualenv? There is a python3-pip package but not one for virtualenv. |
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| 00:02.11 | Brigo | ,v python-virtualenv |
| 00:02.14 | judd | Package: python-virtualenv on i386 -- squeeze: 1.4.9-3squeeze1; wheezy: 1.7.1.2-2; jessie: 1.11.4-1; sid: 1.11.6-2 |
| 00:02.28 | Brigo | queso, and what about python-virtualenv ? |
| 00:02.38 | queso | Brigo: That is not compatible with Python 3. |
| 00:02.55 | queso | Brigo: As far as I am aware. |
| 00:03.16 | behemo | jmcnaught: Are there any non http server ways? |
| 00:03.22 | Brigo | queso, you are right |
| 00:04.07 | jmcnaught | behemo: not that i'm aware of. this is a web server type of task. |
| 00:04.16 | behemo | oh |
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| 00:04.49 | queso | Brigo: To be honest, I haven't used Python 3 before but I'd like to for my next project. I just can't figure out how I'm supposed to bootstrap my virtualenv without downloading the package manually. |
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| 00:05.37 | jmcnaught | behemo: you might be able to use something like Squid instead, but i doubt that apache or nginx once configured properly will use very many resources |
| 00:06.02 | ted20 | What grub needs to unlock my encryption partition (cryptsetup + LVM)? |
| 00:06.11 | ted20 | I mean slash |
| 00:06.22 | Brigo | queso, to be honest me to i have never used python, but some short scripts :) |
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| 00:06.50 | Brigo | ted20, the kernel, for example could be in the partition |
| 00:07.16 | queso | Brigo: Ah, okay. :) Well thanks for trying to help! |
| 00:07.25 | Smrtz | So the reason I can't use iw, is because when I run iw wlan0, it returns "nl80211 not found. |
| 00:07.25 | Smrtz | " Google tells me this is a bug, but is there a way to fix this? |
| 00:08.10 | ted20 | Brigo: 'course, but it works without a special config? |
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| 00:09.57 | Brigo | ted20, i never used it, sorry |
| 00:09.59 | jmcnaught | queso: http://www.circuidipity.com/python2-and-python3.html this page suggests that you can use "virtualenv --python=/usr/bin/python3" |
| 00:10.44 | queso | jmcnaught: Very nice, thank you! |
| 00:10.52 | Brigo | queso, it is in the default package yet: python3.3: /usr/bin/pyvenv-3.3 |
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| 00:11.34 | queso | Brigo: You must be on testing? 3.2 is the version of the python3 package in Wheezy. |
| 00:11.46 | Brigo | Smrtz, why don't you install network-manager and test it? :) |
| 00:11.58 | Brigo | yes i am |
| 00:12.03 | queso | Brigo, jmcnaught: I also found this: http://www.extellisys.com/articles/python-on-debian-wheezy |
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| 00:14.32 | Brigo | queso, did you have pyvenv-3.2 executable? |
| 00:15.25 | queso | Brigo: No, I don't think so -- what package is supposed to provide that? |
| 00:15.43 | Brigo | python environment creator |
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| 00:15.55 | Brigo | ah, the pacakge, soryy |
| 00:16.04 | Brigo | python3.2 i guess |
| 00:16.31 | Brigo | because pythob3.3 gives pyevnv-3.3 |
| 00:16.41 | queso | Brigo: No, it doesn't provide it. |
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| 00:22.10 | jmcnaught | queso: http://notes.pault.ag/debian-python/ is perhaps worth a read, especially the notes about not using pip as root |
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| 00:25.29 | queso | jmcnaught: Good find, I'll give that a read, thank you. |
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| 00:28.18 | ilkiwo | hi! |
| 00:28.43 | ilkiwo | it's possible to encrypt /home and /swap partizion after the installation? |
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| 00:29.36 | petn-randall | ilkiwo: Not really, you'll have to backup the data, encrypt the partition, then copy it back. |
| 00:29.52 | Brigo | ilkiwo, yes it is, but you have to move the information out of /home, encryt it and put the informaton in again |
| 00:30.08 | Brigo | damn too slow again :-( |
| 00:30.58 | ilkiwo | but in isntallation fase, when i set /home partition encrypted |
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| 00:31.12 | ilkiwo | disappear mount point /home |
| 00:31.38 | ilkiwo | How I do for encrypt in installation? |
| 00:31.56 | ging | am i write in understanding my xen vm does not need a specific kernel for wheezy ? |
| 00:32.02 | ging | *right |
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| 00:33.13 | ilkiwo | and second question: It's is necessary to encrypt also swap partition if I need to encrypt home partition? |
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| 00:35.37 | Brigo | ilkiwo, is not necesary in the way encryption is no necesary, but if you want to do thing the right way, then yes you need it. |
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| 00:37.07 | Brigo | because if someone access to your encripted disk, he will not can read the partitions, as far as they are encrypted, but he will can read the swap, and may be some important information in it |
| 00:38.13 | ilkiwo | ok brigo |
| 00:38.46 | ilkiwo | but How I can configured encrypt volumes in installation? |
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| 00:39.08 | Brigo | ilkiwo, i never did it, sorry, i can help you. |
| 00:39.13 | ilkiwo | because the installation program returm me an error "swap don't exist" |
| 00:39.19 | ilkiwo | aaaaah ok |
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| 00:39.25 | ilkiwo | thanks |
| 00:39.28 | ilkiwo | ;) |
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| 00:42.01 | jmcnaught | ilkiwo: the "swap doesn't exist" error.. does that happen when you try to finalize the disk changes? It means that you did not create a swap partition |
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| 00:47.00 | ilkiwo | jmcnaught, my intention was create a swap partition encrypted |
| 00:47.15 | ilkiwo | but in this way return me an error |
| 00:47.30 | ilkiwo | so, I create a normal swap partion |
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| 00:47.47 | ilkiwo | and after installation I will fix it |
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| 00:48.49 | jmcnaught | ilkiwo: one suggestion is you could try doing the guided partitioning with encryption to see how it does things, then go back and change/redo it while still in the installer |
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| 01:14.09 | ilkiwo | bye |
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| 01:42.57 | bitvilag | hi everyone |
| 01:43.24 | bitvilag | does anyone know why I cant join ispconfig channel? |
| 01:44.02 | ghormoon | hm, #ispconfig Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited |
| 01:44.06 | ghormoon | get an invite then :D |
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| 01:45.05 | bitvilag | haha thanks |
| 01:46.26 | ghormoon | when it's +i you need invite from op |
| 01:48.26 | bitvilag | i c |
| 01:48.31 | bitvilag | well its a shame |
| 01:48.36 | bitvilag | I wanted to ask something |
| 01:48.43 | bitvilag | but maybe you could help me |
| 01:48.51 | bitvilag | I need to make daily backup from mail |
| 01:48.53 | ghormoon | you'll need to ask op to invite you |
| 01:49.21 | bitvilag | is it enough to make it from the directory or does it store somthing in mysql...no idea right? |
| 01:49.27 | bitvilag | i am not sure who the op is |
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| 01:53.40 | ghormoon | dunno, I didn't manage to google how to find out who the op is, my irc skills and google-fu failed :( |
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| 01:54.26 | bitvilag | haha same here:d |
| 01:54.46 | ghormoon | and most often, you have mail either in /var/mail or in homes ... but I'm sute there are solutions to make it in mysql and such |
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| 01:56.36 | ghormoon | http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32789 /var/vmail (email) |
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| 01:57.51 | ghormoon | which version do you have? 3? |
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| 02:00.08 | bitvilag | yep |
| 02:00.20 | bitvilag | it has built in backup for mysql and web but not for mail |
| 02:00.39 | bitvilag | wonder why they skipped that |
| 02:00.50 | ghormoon | look at the thread, there are the folders, for mail it's /var/vmail |
| 02:01.01 | bitvilag | I dont think its that big deal to add that |
| 02:01.30 | bitvilag | yeah but I just wonder... if it stores anything important in mysql |
| 02:01.40 | bitvilag | that I need to manage during backup and possible restore |
| 02:02.22 | ghormoon | well, fi I get it right, it has ispconfig settings in mysql, likely even things like users and such |
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| 02:02.31 | ghormoon | but I don't know anything about it :) |
| 02:02.58 | bitvilag | :D:D |
| 02:03.18 | bitvilag | well I have to dig deeper |
| 02:03.42 | ghormoon | i've never had ispconfig installed anywhere ,but my freenas keeps even users in it's database, so it may be simmilar aproach :D |
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| 02:04.45 | ghormoon | it has to be written in some documentation somewhere, you'll jsut have to google it up :) |
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| 02:20.27 | shay_shay | hello. what could cause a partition to not show up in /dev after being created? |
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| 02:21.02 | ghormoon | do you see it in fdisk -l? |
| 02:21.10 | shay_shay | yes |
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| 02:22.25 | ghormoon | try partprobe |
| 02:22.31 | ghormoon | to rescan the disks |
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| 02:41.37 | TheKingOfPoon | https://www.pexpeppers.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59&product_id=63 |
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| 02:41.55 | TheKingOfPoon | oop[s |
| 02:42.17 | LoRez | indeed |
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| 03:01.02 | srged | how can I make the volume buttons work? I have a vaio |
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| 03:13.08 | needhelp | Can anyone please help me fix this? is weird, can't figure it out http://pastebin.com/Wrz1TwDQ |
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| 03:15.19 | shay_shay | ghormoon: ty |
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| 03:15.42 | shay_shay | orry i ran out earlier without saying thanks, may phone ran out of battery heh |
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| 04:04.28 | dengtk | 大家好 |
| 04:04.43 | srged | 大家好???? |
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| 04:06.09 | dengtk | 皆さん、こんにちは |
| 04:06.34 | themill | !zh |
| 04:06.35 | dpkg | 如果您想要得到中文的協助，請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道，加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號)，謝謝您的合作! |
| 04:07.19 | dengtk | 私は日本の |
| 04:07.39 | dengtk | 知らないよ |
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| 04:12.00 | behemo | themill: He's Japanese, not Chinese. |
| 04:12.50 | behemo | 私は日本の is "I'm from Japan" |
| 04:13.01 | behemo | Is there a Japanese channel anyway? |
| 04:13.07 | themill | Interesting. The IP is Chinese |
| 04:14.34 | behemo | !ja |
| 04:14.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ja is nice |
| 04:14.37 | behemo | !jp |
| 04:14.38 | dpkg | Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on irc.debian.or.jp or speak English here. |
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| 04:15.27 | LtL | behemo: he left |
| 04:15.40 | behemo | I know I was checking if there was a channel for it. |
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| 04:38.04 | behemo | By the way, it might be a good idea to have !jp use Japanese. I think it would be covered with 日本人：irc.debian.or.jpの#debianjpに行くか英語を書ください。 |
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| 05:02.31 | Guest90773 | /proc/meminfo suggests that my machine has physically lost almost 400MiB of total available RAM since last week. may there be a reason other than a dying RAM module for this? |
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| 05:04.29 | kingkong | hello |
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| 05:05.43 | kingkong | i did "PermitRootLogin no" on sshd_config file and gave sudo access for a user. now, i dont remember my sudo password, i can not sudo it. i remember my root password. but can not login as root. what to do? :) |
| 05:06.45 | kingkong | as an user, i can not save any file after those changes. its normal? |
| 05:06.48 | themill | kingkong: by "sudo password" you mean your user's passwd? |
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| 05:07.05 | kingkong | i can login as an user. but i can not remember sudo password of it |
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| 05:07.21 | themill | you're logging in with an ssh key? |
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| 05:07.31 | kingkong | with putty ssh |
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| 05:07.43 | themill | how do you actually log in? |
| 05:08.20 | kingkong | with putty |
| 05:08.31 | LtL | kingkong: login as user and 'su -' to root |
| 05:08.55 | themill | kingkong: how do you authenticate? |
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| 05:09.11 | themill | kingkong: there's no such thing as a "sudo password". |
| 05:09.27 | kingkong | ok, i can login as root now with "su -" :) |
| 05:09.57 | LtL | no |
| 05:10.09 | kingkong | themill then why it asks for sudo password from my user? |
| 05:10.20 | themill | kingkong: it's not, it's asking for your user's password |
| 05:11.51 | kingkong | when i run "sudo" command it asks for my user's normal ssh login password? |
| 05:12.24 | themill | there is no "ssh login password" either. There is just a user's password. |
| 05:13.26 | kingkong | for example when i ran "sudo username" it asks for "sudo password for username:" |
| 05:14.13 | themill | no, it says "[sudo] password for username" |
| 05:14.27 | kingkong | yes |
| 05:14.45 | kingkong | what will i type there |
| 05:14.46 | themill | there's a difference. |
| 05:14.54 | themill | the password for username. |
| 05:15.04 | kingkong | when i typed the pass of username, it says that; |
| 05:15.28 | kingkong | sudo: kingkong: command not found |
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| 05:16.02 | themill | "sudo username" isn't the right command |
| 05:16.10 | LtL | kingkong: it's sudo command not sudo username |
| 05:16.12 | kingkong | whats the right command |
| 05:16.18 | kingkong | hmm |
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| 05:19.44 | kingkong | as an user, i can not save any file. why? |
| 05:20.57 | LtL | kingkong: what directory are you in, who owns the file |
| 05:22.44 | LtL | kingkong: in your home directory you should have no problem unless that file has no write permission |
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| 05:23.09 | kingkong | i am in /var/www/css/ dir and probably its not owned by anyone |
| 05:24.08 | kingkong | not in home user dir |
| 05:24.11 | LtL | kingkong: you haven't permission for those files in that dir, and it must be owned by someone |
| 05:24.45 | kingkong | only root can edit those files? so, i need to run sudo command to edit it as normal user? |
| 05:25.02 | LtL | kingkong: become root and you can write to it, if it's writeable |
| 05:25.26 | LtL | sudo nano filename should work |
| 05:25.33 | LtL | or any editor |
| 05:26.13 | LtL | themill: i'm not stepping on your toes i hope |
| 05:26.45 | jmcnaught | kingkong: you can use "ls -l" to see owners and permissions of files. If you don't want to have to become root to edit a file, you could read the man pages for chown, chgrp and chmod |
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| 05:27.38 | kingkong | ok thanks |
| 05:27.53 | kingkong | but on winscp, how can i edit file as user without being root? |
| 05:28.13 | kingkong | on putty, "sudo nano filename" and on winscp? |
| 05:29.06 | LtL | kingkong: winscp is for tranferring files not writing/editing them |
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| 05:29.48 | LtL | kingkong: winscp is a windows program of course |
| 05:30.36 | jmcnaught | kingkong: you may need to read up on file permissions a bit. winscp can only write to files and directories that the user has permission for |
| 05:31.04 | themill | LtL: go for it |
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| 05:32.10 | kingkong | hmm ok then, you made it clear for me :) |
| 05:32.17 | kingkong | thanks for all :) |
| 05:33.05 | LtL | kingkong: youre welcome on behalf of the others |
| 05:33.08 | themill | kingkong: you might want to change the ownership of /var/www (and everything below it) if you're the only one who is going to be dealing with this website |
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| 05:33.55 | lovelove | hey |
| 05:34.02 | lovelove | why can't I find seattle in 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata'? |
| 05:34.07 | lovelove | what am I doing wrong? |
| 05:34.15 | lovelove | it's not in America |
| 05:34.22 | kingkong | yes, i am going to be dealt with it |
| 05:34.44 | lovelove | is 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' not the right way to change my timezone? |
| 05:35.30 | LtL | dpkg-reconfigure locales i believe |
| 05:35.46 | lovelove | that's for locales... |
| 05:35.55 | lovelove | not for the TZ |
| 05:35.57 | lovelove | isn't it? |
| 05:36.16 | themill | lovelove: 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' is right, but not every little hick town is listed in the database. Pick something else that is in the same tz that is listed. |
| 05:36.34 | formorer | for the us there aren't any citys listed. |
| 05:36.46 | themill | formorer: there are plenty |
| 05:36.49 | formorer | afair seatle is pacific daytime (pdt) |
| 05:37.04 | formorer | themill: not in the tzdata I tested a minute ago |
| 05:37.17 | themill | formorer: well wheezy's has plenty |
| 05:37.24 | lovelove | seattle is a pretty big city |
| 05:37.31 | formorer | themill: did you choosed america or US? |
| 05:37.39 | lovelove | I cant even find san francisco in there |
| 05:37.41 | jmcnaught | lovelove: use los angeles, same time zone as seattle |
| 05:38.02 | lovelove | thanks |
| 05:38.04 | themill | formorer: last time I checked, Los_Angeles and New_York were in the US. |
| 05:38.38 | themill | ,file America/Los_Angeles |
| 05:38.40 | formorer | I also tested it on wheezy. US only has timezones. |
| 05:38.42 | judd | Search for America/Los_Angeles in wheezy/i386: tzdata: usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Los_Angeles, usr/share/zoneinfo/posix/America/Los_Angeles, usr/share/zoneinfo/right/America/Los_Angeles; tzdata-java: usr/share/javazi/America/Los_Angeles |
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| 05:39.25 | lovelove | so weird that some cities are included and some not |
| 05:39.36 | lovelove | i guess you cant include very city though |
| 05:39.42 | jmcnaught | lovelove: the list would be too long if every city made the list |
| 05:40.29 | themill | lovelove: when there are stable administrative blocks that set the timezone en masse such as in the US, it's simplest to use those TZ designators as formorer were saying. |
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| 06:24.12 | SubjectOne | Anybody here who knows if there is a gnome-classic chat room on freenode ? |
| 06:24.43 | SubjectOne | i can't seem to find the sytem > administration > login window ( package ) under Debian - Kali |
| 06:27.38 | jmcnaught | SubjectOne: https://wiki.gnome.org/Community/GettingInTouch/IRC |
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| 06:27.53 | SubjectOne | aha, thanksl |
| 06:27.57 | SubjectOne | i'll check that page |
| 06:28.00 | SubjectOne | many thanks |
| 06:28.03 | jmcnaught | SubjectOne: don't thank me, thank google :) |
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| 06:56.12 | fronix | I'm setting up a storage server that is going to be encrypted, I'm at the stage where i configure LVM but I'm unsure how to proceed. http://i.imgur.com/bJGfYr0.png Should I setup LVMs for all those partitions? 2GB is swap the 15gb is root and 8TB is the storage |
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| 07:57.10 | Otyugh | hey. I'm a hapy wheezy user, but. I can get the system in the langage I want. I searched a bit without finding : locale keeps displaying |
| 07:57.15 | Otyugh | LC_ALL=en_US.utf8 |
| 07:57.26 | Otyugh | And I don't know how to change that |
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| 07:58.02 | Otyugh | using "dpkg-reconfigure locales" just change "LANG=" |
| 07:58.17 | Otyugh | that is overwritten by LC_ALL |
| 07:58.47 | sveta | use 'sudo update-locale'. also, does /etc/profile or /etc/default/profile or ~/.bashrc contain something that overrides? |
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| 07:59.46 | Otyugh | no there is not |
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| 08:00.38 | Otyugh | sveta: didn't look to change anything |
| 08:00.51 | Otyugh | :s |
| 08:01.30 | Otyugh | I would want to add up that this is a fresh install. I did not played with them. yet. >.> |
| 08:02.09 | Otyugh | mhm |
| 08:02.21 | Otyugh | maybe should I just do an "export" in bashrc or profile ? |
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| 08:02.35 | Otyugh | workaround but, well. |
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| 08:08.26 | sveta | Otyugh: if you figure it out yourself or by idling here I would be interested; it's a subject I'd not mind learning |
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| 08:13.50 | Otyugh | sveta: I was about to give up, and tru to set it up in profile, actually. |
| 08:14.12 | Otyugh | The debian documentation says that LC_ALL should be not used preferanly... |
| 08:14.18 | Otyugh | *preferably |
| 08:14.33 | Otyugh | and yet, it's a default behaviour ? oO |
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| 08:18.30 | Otyugh | now... Well, everything is att the LANG value now I disabled LC_ALL :o |
| 08:18.50 | Otyugh | things seem to have changed langage correctly, but iceweasel |
| 08:19.10 | Otyugh | I guess there is something special to download, then |
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| 08:41.48 | Agiofws | hi can anyone tell me how to upgrade chrome with out a conflict from synaptic. I have downloaded google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb from chromes site |
| 08:42.49 | Agiofws | how can i tell whats my debian version? |
| 08:42.59 | Mikaela | lsb_release -sd |
| 08:43.07 | Mikaela | Is the answer to "whats my debian version?" |
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| 08:44.11 | Otyugh | Agiofws: why not just install chromium ? |
| 08:44.14 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ lsb_release -sd |
| 08:44.14 | Agiofws | Debian GNU/Linux 7.5 (wheezy) |
| 08:44.29 | Agiofws | Otyugh, because google has the latest version ? |
| 08:45.25 | Mikaela | Otyugh: Google Chrome comes with Flash, Chromium doesn't. |
| 08:45.40 | Otyugh | well, I don't think so. As chrome is built upon chroium source. Maybe google trick that fact because he is the main actual contributor... But well, never had a reliable source stating that. |
| 08:46.25 | Otyugh | Mikaela: you can install flash you own, actually |
| 08:46.33 | Otyugh | and usual stuff would work with gnash |
| 08:46.36 | Agiofws | do i uninstall chrome from synaptic and then install the google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb with dpkg ? |
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| 08:47.23 | Mikaela | Otyugh: If you mean flashplugin-nonfree, I think that it's development has been stopped and I have never managed to get anything to work with gnash. |
| 08:47.40 | Otyugh | Chrome behaviour is pretty shitty packaging his own dependency in it's own and adding spu features, but well. You can promote that, sure :p |
| 08:48.07 | Otyugh | well |
| 08:48.08 | Agiofws | what should i do ? |
| 08:48.19 | Mikaela | Chromium packaging is usually late as far as I can see. |
| 08:48.25 | Otyugh | Mikaela: I never had any problem, personnaly |
| 08:48.45 | Mikaela | Agiofws: I think that you should remove package "google-chrome-stable" or "google-chrome-unstable" or "google-chrome-beta" before you can install that package. |
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| 08:49.27 | Otyugh | alhala. Freedom and security is crying in a corner, I shall not bother about that. You go ahead guys :p |
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| 08:50.18 | Agiofws | Mikaela, http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-the-latest-google-chrome-stable-version-on-ubuntu-linux-mint-and-debian/ ? |
| 08:50.53 | Mikaela | I am not a guy. |
| 08:51.13 | Mikaela | I have always went to google.com/chrome, downloaded it and then dpkg -i google-chrome* and I have had no issues with it. |
| 08:51.21 | Agiofws | Mikaela, i know |
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| 08:53.40 | Otyugh | ,v flashplugin-nonfree |
| 08:53.41 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2+squeeze1; wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2; jessie/contrib: 1:3.4; sid/contrib: 1:3.4 |
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| 08:55.18 | ted20 | good morning |
| 08:55.42 | Otyugh | Agiofws: so after check you are wrong, flashplugin-nonfree is quite up to date. |
| 08:56.01 | formorer | and its wrong. chrom(ium) doesn't support this plugin |
| 08:56.12 | formorer | you are looking for pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 08:56.17 | Otyugh | :o |
| 08:56.20 | Otyugh | Ho right |
| 08:56.21 | formorer | (which is also available in wheezy-backports) |
| 08:56.39 | Otyugh | I'm not a chrom-thing either, but I remember that x) |
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| 09:00.52 | ted20 | What I need to boot from LVM + encryption in grub? |
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| 09:05.45 | rrman | Sorry I cant boot live debian.. it says Debian boot failed ... filesystem.squashfs failed to mount | what should i do?? |
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| 09:07.13 | ted20 | rrman: check sha512 sums |
| 09:07.25 | ted20 | your iso |
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| 09:08.11 | rrman | im sure that my iso is correct is there any way then? |
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| 09:16.52 | mjt | in debian gnome, when I mount something (or insert a removable media which gets mounted automatically), a popup shows at the bottom of the screen, offering me to eject media or to open it in nautilus. How to close that popup? |
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| 09:17.28 | mjt | it is quite annoying - occupes large portion of the screen and is on top of other windows |
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| 09:41.23 | silv3r_m00n | hi there |
| 09:41.36 | silv3r_m00n | i see http://security.debian.org/ in the sources.list file but opening that site does not show any packages as such |
| 09:42.20 | formorer | http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/ |
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| 09:44.34 | silv3r_m00n | thanks |
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| 09:45.49 | silv3r_m00n | so the security repo does not have any unstable branch ? |
| 09:46.00 | mjt | okay, maybe it's possible to disable those notifications somehow? I can mount stuff from command line, but I can't get rid of that popup window.. |
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| 09:46.30 | formorer | silv3r_m00n: unstable doesn't have security support |
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| 09:47.23 | silv3r_m00n | oh okay |
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| 09:48.21 | silv3r_m00n | is it always important to add a deb-src line for any repository ? |
| 09:48.24 | silv3r_m00n | every* |
| 09:48.57 | formorer | only if you want to download sources. |
| 09:48.58 | mjt | important for what? |
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| 09:49.40 | mjt | it is used only for downloading source. If source is important to have for you, these lines are important. |
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| 10:00.16 | ted20 | How to unmount bind filesystem (like /proc, /dev) from chroot? |
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| 10:02.22 | bartzy | Hi |
| 10:02.38 | bartzy | apt-get changelog package-name shows the package changelog, but how can I retrieve the changelog URI only ? |
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| 10:05.57 | mjt | ted20: what's wrong with umount? |
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| 10:07.31 | lars_ | I have a problem with my Thinkpad T530, it has NVIDIA Optimus drivers and bumblee and nvidia wont work |
| 10:07.43 | lars_ | If I boot with only nvidia nvidia settings works |
| 10:07.58 | lars_ | But when I choose Optimus nvidia-settings wont work |
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| 10:08.30 | lars_ | Anyone have any idea? |
| 10:09.30 | ted20 | mjt: I can't unmount the device |
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| 10:10.34 | ted20 | I don't know how to unmount it: mount -o bind /proc /mount/point |
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| 10:11.11 | lars_ | It just give me this : You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server. |
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| 10:17.26 | lars_ | Anyone? I've looked everywhere for help |
| 10:18.58 | ted20 | lars_: nvidia-xconfig doesn't work? |
| 10:19.08 | lars_ | Yes |
| 10:19.16 | lars_ | It works if i go into bios and pick only nvidia |
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| 10:19.29 | lars_ | But I want to be able to use optimus |
| 10:19.42 | lars_ | So Ive installed nvidia packages, blacklisted nouveau |
| 10:20.01 | lars_ | http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/331 < right now I added these packages too see if it does anything |
| 10:20.26 | babilen | lars_: So you did work through https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee already? |
| 10:20.42 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 10:21.13 | lars_ | ted20, There, back now |
| 10:21.16 | lars_ | It didnt do anything |
| 10:21.18 | babilen | lars_: So you did work through https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee already? |
| 10:21.41 | lars_ | Yes |
| 10:21.54 | lars_ | Except the "compile from source" |
| 10:22.05 | babilen | lars_: You can either: Use the nvidia driver and disable optimus (i.e. you use only nvidia) *or* you use the intel driver by default and then use the nvidia card for selected applications |
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| 10:23.00 | lars_ | babilen : Isnt bumblebee supposed to do that by default? |
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| 10:23.08 | lars_ | For example if I start a game that requires 3d acceleration |
| 10:23.11 | lars_ | It switches on by default |
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| 10:23.37 | babilen | lars_: The first allows you to configure your system like any other pure nvidia system, but requires a hardware mux so that you can actually use a "pure" nvidia setup. The second wouldn't work if you configure Xorg to use nvidia by default as it wants the intel gpu (that is, after all, what optimus is about) |
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| 10:24.27 | babilen | lars_: You *explicitly* have to start applications you want to use the nvidia gpu with "optirun FOO" |
| 10:24.42 | babilen | lars_: That is discussed in https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee#Usage |
| 10:25.59 | lars_ | Really? I just started using debian so im a bit new (even though I had it on another computer a long time ago) but when I used ubuntu it worked out of the box and I always assumed the bumblebee thing was like in windows, that it switched on when there was need |
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| 10:27.12 | babilen | lars_: "when there is need" is quite a subjective decision. When *is* there the need? |
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| 10:27.28 | lars_ | Basically Im gonna play some games on steam when I want to |
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| 10:27.37 | babilen | I mean how should Debian know that you don't want to safe battery now? |
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| 10:28.39 | q0 | can i both broadcast and use with one NIC ? |
| 10:29.24 | lars_ | babilen : Right, so, what do you suggest I do? Does this mean that bumblebee actually works even though I cnat access the nvidia options? |
| 10:29.38 | lars_ | I just need to write optirun when I start steam |
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| 10:30.24 | babilen | lars_: You don't set the nvidia options. You *do not use nvidia*, but intel as far as Xorg is concerned. You should, however, be able to start applications on the nvidia gpu by running "optirun COMMAND" |
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| 10:30.47 | babilen | Assuming steam is being started with the "steam" command you want that to be "optirun steam" |
| 10:30.48 | lars_ | Right, I just tried optirun iceweasel and it worked |
| 10:30.56 | babilen | So everything is fine :) |
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| 10:31.48 | lars_ | Well that is comforting, but, do you have any ideas on how I can get my external screen to work? I always used the nvidia settings for that |
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| 10:32.55 | babilen | lars_: You use the *RANDR tools for that. Do you connect to them temporarily or permanently? |
| 10:33.20 | lars_ | Preferably I'd like to have some kind of GUI where I could switch them on and off, so temporarily I guess |
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| 10:33.56 | lars_ | I know that you have to do some xconfig stuff, so Id rather not have to do some terminal thing eveyrtime I want to use it |
| 10:34.01 | lars_ | I use XFCE4+Debian btw |
| 10:34.15 | babilen | lars_: Okay, do you use a desktop environment of some sort? I mean you can use "xrandr" on the command line and "arandr" as *one* GUI, but some desktop environment have their own "configure screen" interface. |
| 10:34.40 | lars_ | Oh damn, I forgot that |
| 10:34.41 | babilen | Ah, no idea about XFCE4, lets see if there are some docs. |
| 10:34.44 | lars_ | XFCE already has it |
| 10:34.49 | lars_ | It works out of the box |
| 10:34.59 | babilen | Yeah, it should, but I don't know the name of the tool of the top my head. |
| 10:35.11 | babilen | You should be able to find it somewhere in settings though. |
| 10:35.22 | lars_ | Yeah, I did and it works! |
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| 10:35.33 | lars_ | Sweet, well now im gonna try and see if I can get steam to work. Thanks alot for the help, appreciate it |
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| 10:37.01 | babilen | lars_: You are welcome, let me know how it goes :) |
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| 10:38.21 | biggi_mat | Hello. I have a question in regard to LVM. I’ve created LVM on a tw sepereated (whole) HDD with debian5 (lenny). I want to migrate this to debian6. Is that even possible? And how “seamless” can it be. The thing to keep in mind is that I only have this hdd space x previously mentioned. I cannot afford to simply copy data regulary. |
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| 10:39.47 | Brigo | biggi_mat, i think it is possible, and quite easy |
| 10:40.04 | biggi_mat | Is it simply “pluggable”? |
| 10:40.19 | biggi_mat | Smack it in, maybe define lvm group, reboot and it works? |
| 10:41.02 | Brigo | why define lvm ? |
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| 10:41.24 | frostschutz | biggi_mat, "a tw separated"? If you already have debian, can't you just dist-upgrade? |
| 10:41.40 | biggi_mat | You think I dare |
| 10:41.45 | biggi_mat | ? :< |
| 10:42.12 | biggi_mat | It means I’d have to have backups of everything which would be fine if I had space |
| 10:42.16 | Brigo | biggi_mat, no, you can not, i think |
| 10:42.29 | frostschutz | you have to have backups anyway, or your data wasn't important |
| 10:42.43 | Brigo | biggi_mat, do not need more space for backup, only /etc /backup /home |
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| 10:44.09 | Brigo | if biggi_mat has pointed his sources to stable he will upgrade to wheezy, if he has pointed the souces to lenny apt-get upgrade would do nothing |
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| 10:44.26 | dutchfish | biggi_mat, while lenny used EXT3 (what you probably have now) you might consider EXT4 when you want to upgrade to wheezy, within thta LVM, i rather choose to backup and install wheezy from scratch, hence preserving all your data. |
| 10:44.53 | biggi_mat | Brigo: thanks |
| 10:45.10 | biggi_mat | dutchfish: yeah, I was just figuring out how to squeeze that in |
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| 10:46.40 | rob566 | someone put this site here yesterday WWW.SoccerTips4Sure.com and i said to try it,and yes i won, it is the first time when i win some money |
| 10:47.01 | Brigo | biggi_mat, np :) |
| 10:47.31 | Brigo | rob566, spaming you too? |
| 10:47.31 | ikonia | rob566: stop spamming the sites across freenode please. |
| 10:47.39 | ikonia | Brigo: no, he is the spammer |
| 10:47.50 | rob566 | ok sorry |
| 10:47.57 | Brigo | ah :D |
| 10:48.10 | ikonia | rob566: lies are not welcome, spamming is not welcome, |
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| 11:02.55 | dob1 | hi, i have an init.d scrit, i would like that at boot it will be started after mysql (and the contrary at shutdown), other than chaning its number to execute it later, it is not clear to me how can i do this in the script, i have the part BEGIN INIT INFO ... END INIT INFO |
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| 11:04.48 | dob1 | it's Required Start ? |
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| 11:11.45 | tremon | with a hyphen, yes |
| 11:13.57 | dob1 | using for example update-rc.d script defaults 90 it doesn't use this boot order, it apply its defaults |
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| 11:15.35 | tremon | fafaik update-rc.d doesn't accept a sequence number like that |
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| 11:19.02 | dob1 | i am reading that i have to use insserv now |
| 11:19.45 | tremon | update-rc.d should call insserv |
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| 11:21.07 | grandie | see you all on the flip side, later |
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| 11:21.35 | tremon | there is no need to run insserv manually, except to verify what it does (-vn) |
| 11:21.50 | dob1 | so can i specify the boot order ? update-rc.d [-n] name defaults [NN | SS KK] this is from man pages but it ignores my NN, or can i specify that this service has to be started after another one (mysql in my case) ? |
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| 11:23.17 | tremon | dob1: you already started with asking if you should use Required-Start for that, which I confirmed. So, you tried that and it isn't working? |
| 11:24.54 | Grefor | cy tree... 0% |
| 11:25.34 | Grefor | what does that mean - sorry if its a noob question |
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| 11:27.33 | blu` | Grefor: am I missing some context? |
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| 11:28.31 | Grefor | ok im trying to install aptitude with apt-get |
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| 11:28.44 | dob1 | tremon, i am reading this https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts here it talks about boot facilities, |
| 11:28.48 | blu` | sounds reasonable |
| 11:29.14 | Grefor | reading package list done |
| 11:29.27 | Grefor | cy tree... 0% |
| 11:29.31 | steppen_wolf | Hi ! Quick question regarding "init" processes : 1. should I use update-rc.d or insserv ? 2. Does insser update /etc/rc[0123456].d/* ? |
| 11:29.33 | dob1 | tremon, seems i can just indicate mysql |
| 11:30.02 | tremon | dob1: yes, you can |
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| 11:30.35 | blu` | Grefor: that's probably the end of "building dependency tree"...why? is it stuck? |
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| 11:30.43 | tremon | it doesn't say it explicitly, but boot facilities are named after their init scripts |
| 11:30.48 | Grefor | no idea |
| 11:31.05 | blu` | Grefor: how long has it said that? |
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| 11:31.26 | Grefor | 15minutes |
| 11:31.37 | blu` | Grefor: I guess it's stuck. Did you Ctrl+C and try again? |
| 11:32.26 | Grefor | im new to linux n google gave me nothing usefull thats why i try to bother ya ll sorry for that |
| 11:32.41 | blu` | Grefor: it's ok |
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| 11:32.58 | twoion | Grefor: no that's a perfectly valid question, this behaviour is definitely abnormal. |
| 11:33.07 | blu` | Grefor: it's not normal for it to take 15 minutes to do that...unless you were running on a truly ancient computer, I guess |
| 11:33.08 | Grefor | yeah ofc several times trying to apt get diff things |
| 11:33.49 | Grefor | cy tree keeps getting stuck at 0% |
| 11:33.51 | blu` | Grefor: can you switch to another console and run top and see if a CPU is pegged at 100% while it's frozen like that? |
| 11:34.33 | Grefor | cpu is idle |
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| 11:34.56 | blu` | Grefor: did you try running "apt-get update" and then trying again? |
| 11:34.58 | Grefor | keep in mind its debieeze flavor |
| 11:35.23 | blu` | Grefor: it's what? |
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| 11:36.57 | Grefor | deb for arm |
| 11:37.17 | Grefor | armhf i think |
| 11:37.47 | blu` | okay...I don't know much about arm...but it's still not normal to freeze like that |
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| 11:37.52 | Grefor | squeeze? |
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| 11:39.42 | blu` | Grefor: my best guess is that something's corrupted...if "apt-get update" doesn't work, maybe clear /var/cache/apt ...if that doesn't work, maybe somehow apt itself got corrupted...but if it worked earlier, that's unlikely |
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| 11:40.24 | Grefor | never worked |
| 11:40.33 | bartzy | apt-get changelog package-name shows the package changelog, but how can I retrieve the changelog URI only ? |
| 11:40.40 | Grefor | its a freshb image |
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| 11:41.16 | blu` | Grefor: I don't know what freshb is, sorry |
| 11:42.09 | blu` | bartzy: well, the command seems to output a URL to the console... so if you grep for that you should get it |
| 11:42.15 | Grefor | a new image just flashed to it |
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| 11:42.27 | bartzy | blu`: Where does it get the URL though? From apt somehow? From some metadata? |
| 11:42.29 | Grefor | apt didnt work |
| 11:42.41 | blu` | Grefor: well, two possibilities that I can think of: hardware problem or the image is corrupted |
| 11:42.58 | blu` | bartzy: good question :) I don't know |
| 11:43.11 | bartzy | blu`: Thanks :) |
| 11:43.13 | bartzy | Anyone knows though ? |
| 11:44.01 | blu` | bartzy: I ran "dpkg -L apt" and saw a line "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20changelog" |
| 11:44.05 | dob1 | tremon, seems to work, thanks |
| 11:44.07 | Grefor | so if the package is not compatible with the hardware cy gets stuck like this? |
| 11:44.30 | blu` | Grefor: "cy" isn't stuck. "cy" is the last two chars of "dependency" |
| 11:44.45 | bartzy | blu`: OK and ? |
| 11:44.58 | blu` | Grefor: apt-get is what's stuck, and who knows why :) did you verify the checksum of the image? are you sure the hardware works? |
| 11:45.11 | blu` | bartzy: I would look inside that file, maybe it will have clues |
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| 11:45.25 | SynrG | Grefor: what specific hardware? An Android device? Something else? |
| 11:45.40 | Grefor | cubieboard |
| 11:46.13 | Grefor | armv7 mali 400 1gb ram |
| 11:46.32 | SynrG | So there is no official Debian support for that |
| 11:48.15 | blu` | bartzy: looks like apt-get builds the URL from that config file plus the path to the deb package. but what are you trying to do? |
| 11:48.18 | SynrG | maybe you want to try: |
| 11:48.19 | SynrG | !cubian |
| 11:48.20 | dpkg | Cubian is a <derivative> installation image for a specific <armhf> board; #debian doesn't know what exactly the image contains. Ask in #cubian (irc.freenode.net) about issues with the image itself, #cubieboard (irc.freenode.net) about the hardware, or #linux-sunxi (irc.freenode.net) channel for kernel and driver development. |
| 11:49.27 | SynrG | and see also: https://wiki.debian.org/CubieBoard |
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| 11:51.12 | blu` | SynrG: excellent answers, sir |
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| 11:52.36 | Grefor | im alrdy on there no ones home |
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| 11:53.23 | Grefor | apt get being basic function i thought might find something here |
| 11:53.23 | apt | ACTION fetches being basic function i thought might find something here |
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| 11:54.01 | blu` | Grefor: it's a strange problem...might point to a compatibility issue...but you never answered some of the questions I asked you :) |
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| 11:54.33 | Grefor | i didnt ? |
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| 11:56.14 | SynrG | !based on debian |
| 11:56.15 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 11:56.55 | lars_ | Nice. |
| 11:56.56 | Grefor | wow wow |
| 11:57.09 | lars_ | I install steam and it delete EVERYTHING |
| 11:57.14 | lars_ | Like, literally everything. |
| 11:57.24 | blu` | lars: like "rm -rf /" everything? |
| 11:57.28 | lars_ | Yes. |
| 11:57.37 | lars_ | Im reinstalling synaptic |
| 11:57.38 | blu` | lars: that is hard to believe :) |
| 11:57.41 | lars_ | I dont know how the hell |
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| 11:57.51 | Grefor | i get it sorry for the bother 0.o |
| 11:58.08 | blu` | Grefor: I tried to help but you didn't answer my questions...so...good luck |
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| 11:58.21 | Grefor | i |
| 11:58.27 | lars_ | Anyone have any suggestion how to save my system? |
| 11:58.40 | lars_ | Im on XFCE4 |
| 11:58.42 | blu` | lars_: you need to explain in more detail |
| 11:58.44 | Grefor | im trying to figure out what i didnt answer |
| 11:58.58 | SynrG | blu`: if you want to continue to help Grefor, feel free, but please take it off-channel |
| 11:59.02 | lars_ | Well, what I did is install steam, and then for some reason it has deleted like every dependence or something |
| 11:59.15 | lars_ | I have nothing in the system menu and im reinstalling synaptics right now |
| 11:59.41 | blu` | lars_: ok, so the problem is "the system menu is empty" not "it literally deleted everything" :) |
| 11:59.48 | lars_ | Oh it did |
| 11:59.57 | lars_ | As I said, im reinstalling synaptics ;_; |
| 12:00.10 | blu` | lars_: you're still using the system, so it didn't delete "everything" |
| 12:00.24 | lars_ | Now im installing XFCE4 ;_; |
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| 12:00.35 | lars_ | Yeah, im guessing because x uses some kind of cache |
| 12:00.39 | lars_ | Yeah, not everything |
| 12:01.02 | lars_ | I know that if I reboot right now |
| 12:01.03 | lars_ | Im done. |
| 12:01.13 | twoion | lars_: no cache. any binary that is still in use will be removed if the program exits |
| 12:01.16 | blu` | lars_: when you install packages, it usually tells you what it's going to add/remove to meet its depenencies...so you should have seen a list of what it was going to remove |
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| 12:01.33 | lars_ | blu : Yeah, for some reason it removed literally everything |
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| 12:01.37 | blu` | lars_: what do you see if you "ls /usr/bin" ? |
| 12:01.59 | lars_ | Alot of stuff |
| 12:02.05 | blu` | lars_: then it didn't remove everything |
| 12:02.17 | lars_ | So how do i repair my system? |
| 12:02.31 | lars_ | Im afraid i wont have a login manager/wm if i reboot |
| 12:02.39 | blu` | lars_: that's hard to say, since we don't know what exactly was removed |
| 12:02.44 | lars_ | I just wanted to start steam :8 |
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| 12:02.52 | blu` | look in /var/log and find the dpkg log and see what was removed |
| 12:03.11 | blu` | then you will know exactly what to reinstall |
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| 12:04.00 | lars_ | Well, theres alot of stuff |
| 12:04.14 | lars_ | Isnt there any command that gives me the base install? |
| 12:04.14 | blu` | lars_: of course, that log accumulates over time |
| 12:04.39 | blu` | lars_: I guess you could use tasksel to choose some base packages |
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| 12:04.57 | blu` | lars_: but it would be easy to use the dpkg log to just install the packages you need |
| 12:05.11 | lars_ | Alright, let me rephrase |
| 12:05.15 | lars_ | What stuff do I need |
| 12:05.15 | blu` | lars_: otherwise you might find later that stuff is missing that you didn't realize |
| 12:05.18 | lars_ | If I have xfce4 |
| 12:05.36 | blu` | lars_: if you install the xfce4 packages then the dependencies should pull in what they require |
| 12:05.43 | lars_ | Alright |
| 12:05.46 | lars_ | That is done |
| 12:06.19 | blu` | lars_: if you want to know what happened and why, the info is there in the logs |
| 12:07.05 | lars_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:10.49 | lars_ | tasksel :debconf failed to run |
| 12:10.52 | lars_ | Fuck. |
| 12:11.21 | lars_ | Ah, forgot to us sudo |
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| 12:11.27 | lars_ | Well, hopefully this will repair it. |
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| 12:17.09 | SynrG | sounds like a possible case of mixing releases. |
| 12:17.27 | SynrG | lars_: are you running wheezy? if so, where did you get steam from? |
| 12:17.43 | lars_ | Yeah wheezy |
| 12:17.44 | lars_ | https://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
| 12:17.47 | lars_ | I used that one |
| 12:18.00 | lars_ | "There are packages available for Jessie and Sid. They are not currently available for the stable release, Wheezy. " |
| 12:18.18 | blu` | well, there's your problem! |
| 12:18.23 | lars_ | ;_; |
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| 12:18.35 | blu` | it kind of told you not to do that ;) |
| 12:18.38 | lars_ | I dunno why but I read that as |
| 12:18.48 | lars_ | "You can use this but its not stable" |
| 12:18.57 | lars_ | So any idea how I can get steam to work? |
| 12:18.59 | blu` | stable means "the current stable Debian release" |
| 12:19.16 | blu` | lars_: you could upgrade to Jessie |
| 12:19.30 | SynrG | lars_: if you mixed testing or unstable with stable, it's no longer a stable system. and there's no downgrade |
| 12:19.33 | blu` | but of course there's not much going back..without a lot of trouble |
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| 12:19.56 | blu` | ah SynrG has a good point...you may have accidentally partially upgraded to testing/unstable |
| 12:20.13 | blu` | lars_: did you modify any apt sources? |
| 12:20.19 | lars_ | I did this |
| 12:20.26 | blu` | lol yeah okay then |
| 12:20.29 | lars_ | # dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 12:20.32 | lars_ | # aptitude update |
| 12:20.34 | blu` | oh |
| 12:20.35 | lars_ | # aptitude install steam |
| 12:20.46 | SynrG | update what? you must have done a prior step |
| 12:20.49 | lars_ | Then it all went to hell. |
| 12:21.10 | lars_ | Not that I remember |
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| 12:21.31 | SynrG | in paste.debian.net, let's see your /etc/apt/sources.list please |
| 12:21.38 | SynrG | ,v steam |
| 12:21.39 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.47-2; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.47-2 |
| 12:21.51 | SynrG | there's no way it "all went to hell" if you installed steam from stable ... |
| 12:21.55 | SynrG | because stable doesn't have steam |
| 12:22.38 | lars_ | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.5.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 xfce-CD Binary-1 $ |
| 12:22.39 | lars_ | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 12:22.39 | lars_ | deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 12:22.39 | lars_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
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| 12:32.01 | horsik | how to install bitmap fonts manually? putting them into ~/.fonts and fc-cache -fv does nothing |
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| 12:34.50 | blu` | horsik: are you using a DE? |
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| 12:36.26 | horsik | blu`: ok already done, have to change fontconfig |
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| 12:36.38 | horsik | had to |
| 12:36.41 | blu` | cool |
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| 12:41.16 | idueppe | Hi, does anyone know tutorial how to install apache cloudstack on wheezy. I can find any packages |
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| 12:46.14 | Brigo | idueppe, may be this one? openstack-dashboard-apache |
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| 12:47.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | openstack is something else... and not every single piece of software on the world is packaged for debian |
| 12:47.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | only close to :) |
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| 12:49.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | idueppe, but using The Google (or The DuckDuckGo) gives you e.g. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Setting+up+CloudStack+Development+Environment+on+Linux within 15 seconds... |
| 12:51.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell idueppe about rfp |
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| 12:52.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions cloudstack |
| 12:52.52 | judd | No package named 'cloudstack' was found in i386. |
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| 12:53.43 | idueppe | yes I know... cloudstack itself provides only a deb packages for pricesi |
| 12:53.50 | idueppe | yes I know... cloudstack itself provides only a deb packages for precise |
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| 12:54.34 | nkuttler | idueppe: try #cloudstack |
| 12:54.44 | idueppe | afaik i cannot use these ones ... |
| 12:54.50 | idueppe | I will nkuttler |
| 12:54.56 | SynrG | correct. you can't use the precise packages. |
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| 12:59.35 | idueppe | So what is a well supported hypervisor and web management choice for wheezy |
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| 13:02.55 | srged | Guys, I connect my Alfa external wifi card and debian doesn't see it... any clue? |
| 13:03.17 | blu` | srged: does it show up in dmesg? |
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| 13:04.11 | srged | blu`: yes |
| 13:04.31 | blu` | srged: so what do you mean by "debian doesn't see it"? |
| 13:05.42 | idueppe | ok I found this https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/blob/4.3.0/INSTALL.md how to build debian packages from cloudstack.. is there anyhing I should be aware of ... like building debs for dummies :-? |
| 13:05.59 | srged | blu`: if I turn on my builtin wifi card I see wifi netwroks and ready to connect wireless. however with the external usb wifi card... no wifi network shows up, also the led on the wifi card isnt blinking.. |
| 13:06.22 | blu` | srged: are the card's drivers in Debian? |
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| 13:06.59 | idueppe | ... I guess I must use dpkg-buildpackage on a debian system right? |
| 13:07.37 | blu` | idueppe: that's one way to do it |
| 13:07.58 | srged | blu`: it should be..... look here's someting interesting at the end of the dmesg log... [11701.744441] usb 2-2: firmware: agent aborted loading htc_9271.fw (not found?) |
| 13:08.01 | srged | [11701.744589] ath9k_htc: probe of 2-2:1.0 failed with error -22 |
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| 13:08.15 | blu` | srged: sounds like not found :) |
| 13:08.23 | srged | :) |
| 13:08.29 | blu` | srged: but at least it has the filename there for you to search google for |
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| 13:09.11 | srged | blu`: ok so I am to search for firmware htc_9271.fw |
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| 13:10.07 | blu` | I would add "linux" or "debian" |
| 13:10.44 | srged | blu`: ok! |
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| 13:11.21 | dvs | srged: firmware-atheros |
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| 13:15.17 | `ajven | how good debian can be for advance user ? |
| 13:15.41 | dvs | !next |
| 13:15.41 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 13:16.00 | srged | guys, I've installed the formware. now it works but only when the wifi button is swtithed on, in whcih case BOTH wifi cards show up. I'd like to have the builtin card off and the usb card ON. possible? |
| 13:16.01 | ompaul | they can advance out the channel? |
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| 13:16.30 | ompaul | srged: you might want to disable the bluetooth in the bios |
| 13:16.36 | blu` | srged: usually laptops have a keyboard combo to disable builtin wifi |
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| 13:20.54 | ted20 | Hello. I installed debian on currect lvm volume (with encryption). I have not access. I see "Booting the kernel, Enter passphrase for /dev/sda1". I don't see group name, it should be "Enter passphrase for /dev/sda1 group-name" |
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| 13:22.20 | blu` | ted20: did you try entering the passphrase anyway? |
| 13:22.27 | ted20 | blu`: 'course |
| 13:22.32 | ted20 | blu`: zero changes |
| 13:23.01 | blu` | ted20: maybe you accidentally encrypted both |
| 13:24.01 | ted20 | no |
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| 13:24.31 | ted20 | blu`: generally i've a problem with configs, but i'm not sure where... |
| 13:24.46 | blu` | ted20: how did you install it? |
| 13:24.54 | ted20 | blu`: debootstrap |
| 13:25.25 | blu` | ted20: does debootstrap do LVM for you? |
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| 13:26.16 | ted20 | Not really, I created LVM volume before, but i had a broken system, so I made "reinstall" |
| 13:26.36 | ted20 | reinstall from debootstrap |
| 13:26.38 | blu` | what kind of encryption did you use? and how did you set it up? |
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| 13:28.13 | blu` | ted20: maybe you should use the debian-installer, it does LVM and LUKS for you |
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| 13:29.58 | ted20 | Uh, I forget it. I mounted lvm volume in liveusb. I created chroot, next I installed debian from debootstrap with of course lvm2, cryptsetup & grub... |
| 13:30.47 | blu` | ted20: if you just use the installer it can do that stuff for you with menus and prompts, makes it easy |
| 13:31.19 | ted20 | Not really, the install doesn't see my lvm volume |
| 13:31.39 | blu` | ted20: it can make lvm volumes for you |
| 13:32.33 | ted20 | Nah, nah, I've lvm volumes with data, so it isn't comfortable. |
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| 13:32.42 | blu` | ok, you didn't say that before |
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| 13:33.06 | blu` | but if it doesn't see your lvm volumes, maybe that indicates a problem |
| 13:33.50 | blu` | maybe if you solve that problem you can use the installer to set up debian with luks |
| 13:34.04 | ted20 | It works on liveusb. It worked before. |
| 13:34.29 | ted20 | I said, i can't mount my lvm volume on the debian-installer. |
| 13:34.36 | Brigo | ted20, i think the problem could be the grub configuration |
| 13:34.45 | ted20 | Brigo: I also |
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| 13:35.16 | ted20 | Brigo: probably where? |
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| 13:36.15 | blu` | maybe you can install into a loopback image using the same lvm/luks setup and then compare the grub config |
| 13:36.24 | Brigo | i have never used encrytion, so i do not know, but who ask for password should be grub |
| 13:36.51 | blu` | Brigo: grub or the initrd? |
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| 13:37.08 | Brigo | did you get the initrd booted? |
| 13:37.23 | ted20 | Yeah |
| 13:37.31 | Brigo | i thought initrd should be encrypted too |
| 13:37.52 | blu` | is /boot encrypted here? |
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| 13:38.11 | ted20 | No, no, /boot is unencryption |
| 13:38.50 | ted20 | Wait, wait. Generally i have not access to initrd, so you're right |
| 13:39.32 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.34 | ted20 | I mean initrd as busybox |
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| 13:40.04 | blu` | seems like an easy way might be to use debian-installer to setup a similar system in a loopback image and then compare grub/initrd/whatever to see what you need to change in the real setup |
| 13:41.04 | ted20 | blu`: i've the basic system, without rubbish from debian-installer. |
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| 13:41.44 | blu` | ted20: ok well maybe you'll have to look at some manpages then, I don't know...most people aren't experts in setting up grub/initrd/luks from scratch |
| 13:42.16 | ted20 | Why not. I've used LFS sometime :D |
| 13:42.22 | blu` | :) |
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| 13:42.47 | blu` | cryptsetup is probably in there somewhere too |
| 13:43.19 | EO_ | I'm trying to build a custom kernel by following the instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage , but I'm running into this error during the patching phase: http://pastebin.com/wC7qMiVr |
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| 13:43.28 | EO_ | Any idea what might be wrong? |
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| 13:44.22 | blu` | EO_: it says the patches failed to apply...but it doesn't say why |
| 13:44.41 | EO_ | yeah, it's pretty scant |
| 13:45.25 | blu` | maybe if you apply the patches manually you'll find the error |
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| 13:45.40 | EO_ | nope, that's a rabbit hole |
| 13:45.47 | blu` | it is? |
| 13:45.47 | EO_ | working against the debian build system |
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| 13:46.23 | blu` | AIUI all quilt does is apply the patches... if it's not giving you the detailed error then it seems like the way to find out the error is to try applying the patches yourself |
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| 13:46.40 | EO_ | oh! |
| 13:46.43 | EO_ | why don't I check for rejects! |
| 13:46.48 | blu` | exactly |
| 13:47.01 | EO_ | there might be a record of .rej somewhere |
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| 13:47.23 | argoneus | Hello |
| 13:47.26 | blu` | hello |
| 13:47.38 | argoneus | If I have a debian server and want to run several websites/game servers maybe on it, what is the best way to do this? |
| 13:47.50 | argoneus | I mean, when I got it, it had apache running as root by default |
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| 13:48.04 | argoneus | and I'm not sure if I want to make nonroot account, or more accounts, and where to run what, and how to deal w/ apache |
| 13:48.13 | EO_ | ah sweet. once I removed my new patches from the serial, make source worked :) |
| 13:48.22 | EO_ | so now I can track down the culprits |
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| 13:48.25 | argoneus | are there any sane guidelines to this? obv. I could just login as root and do everything |
| 13:48.33 | argoneus | but that feels wrong, but I don't know any better |
| 13:48.55 | blu` | argo, those are big questions with big answers... you probably want to look at debian-administration.org or something like that |
| 13:49.49 | argoneus | blu`: but just generally at least |
| 13:49.52 | blu` | argoneus: also look for the debian administrator's handbook |
| 13:49.53 | argoneus | I don't want to run anything as root? |
| 13:50.23 | blu` | argoneus: well some services do run as root, some services are designed that way |
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| 13:51.16 | argoneus | ah |
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| 13:54.08 | D-Boy | How to check what makes a server very laggy ? |
| 13:54.14 | argoneus | D-Boy: top? |
| 13:54.45 | D-Boy | argoneus: they're sorted by ressource consumption ? |
| 13:54.56 | argoneus | I think so |
| 13:55.10 | blu` | atop is also a useful utility, lets you sort by other resources |
| 13:55.55 | D-Boy | Okey, thx |
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| 13:56.04 | blu` | good luck |
| 13:56.24 | EO_ | So, is it legit to just take a patch set and append it to the debian/patches/series file? is there some other control file for the ordering of patches? should I be using quilt to add the patch set somehow? |
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| 13:57.05 | blu` | EO_: does the wiki page about kernel building have info on that? |
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| 13:57.47 | EO_ | has not seen any other wiki page about kernel building. |
| 13:57.55 | EO_ | The one I'm reading just says "use quilt to add patches" |
| 13:58.04 | EO_ | or apply I should say |
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| 13:58.22 | EO_ | 5. Use quilt to add your patch |
| 13:58.35 | jeep | EO_: does the newest kernel already have the patch in it ? |
| 13:58.41 | EO_ | nope |
| 13:59.00 | EO_ | I'm trying to apply this patch set: http://people.redhat.com/~mpatocka/patches/kernel/dm-crypt-paralelizace/current/ |
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| 13:59.30 | EO_ | has never used quilt |
| 13:59.46 | witless | hi. is there a preferred music/audio streamer for debian? |
| 13:59.54 | blu` | EO_: is that patch set for vanilla or redhat kernels? |
| 14:00.23 | blu` | witless: there are many in Debian archives...which one is up to you i guess |
| 14:00.37 | Brigo | witless, afaik, no |
| 14:00.56 | EO_ | blu`: unknown |
| 14:01.06 | blu` | EO_: you should find out |
| 14:01.08 | witless | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.14 | EO_ | blu`: sounds like a wild goose chase |
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| 14:01.18 | blu` | EO_: if they're for redhat kernels you might be wasting your time |
| 14:01.22 | EO_ | I just need to know what's failing where |
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| 14:01.34 | blu` | EO_: again I suggest you apply the patches manually |
| 14:02.26 | EO_ | I guess I could do that once to see if there are rejects |
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| 14:03.23 | jeep | EO_: after your patches are in this page has simpler directions http://syslint.com/syslint/how-to-compile-linux-kernel-in-debian-ubuntu-the-easy-way/ |
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| 14:04.25 | jeep | EO_: why are you patching something doesnt work ? |
| 14:04.48 | EO_ | jeep: you kow this changeset doesn't work? |
| 14:05.23 | mawe | we have postfix running as a xen guest and I just noticed that the rdns lookup which gmail does fails, it says received by mail.domain.xx but it points to the ip of the dom0, but I'm sure my rdns entries are setup correctly because if I do a nslookup it resolves to the domU ip, any ideas what could be going wrong here? |
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| 14:06.16 | blu` | mawe: I'm not an expert on DNS but I'm not sure reverse dns works exactly the same way |
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| 14:21.32 | SpaceKookie | I have a bit of a general question about linux. I have a server that some people access via ssh. Only using ssh-keys. Everything else is automatically denied. Now I wanted to have the user accunts set to chmod -R 700 (or something like that) so that users can't go sniff around other user directories. But that also makes the .ssh directories unreadable meaning that people can no longer log-in. |
| 14:21.55 | SpaceKookie | and just giving ~/.ssh read/ execute/ whatever rights doesn't change that. Anyone have a clever way how to fix this? :P |
| 14:22.13 | mawe | mh.. yea I don't have an idea what could be going wrong here.. I just switched postfix back from ipv6 to ipv4 because our mails were marked as spam, now spf fails because it points to the wrong ip ( thats why I noticed it )... I will just change the spf entries for now until I found a better solution |
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| 14:22.28 | blu` | if /home/user is 700, then it's not enterable by other users, so /home/user/.ssh won't be accessible |
| 14:22.58 | SpaceKookie | blu`: yea…question is if there is a way around that |
| 14:22.59 | blu` | mawe: good luck |
| 14:23.15 | SpaceKookie | Can I tell ssh to look for the keys in a different place? |
| 14:23.17 | blu` | SpaceKookie: well you can do this I guess... |
| 14:23.24 | blu` | well wait a second |
| 14:23.28 | SpaceKookie | okay |
| 14:23.52 | blu` | it's not a good idea to run "chmod -R 700 /home/user" on your users' homedirs |
| 14:24.10 | blu` | that will mess with the permissions of all of their files |
| 14:24.12 | SpaceKookie | Okay ^^ Right now I reverted all to 755 again |
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| 14:24.22 | blu` | well that's not good either |
| 14:24.25 | SpaceKookie | True |
| 14:24.28 | blu` | now you marked every file as executable |
| 14:24.45 | SpaceKookie | No I just mean the top level chmod 755 * |
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| 14:24.51 | blu` | ok |
| 14:25.26 | blu` | well then, you can mark all the top level directories 700 and then mark .ssh as 755...but be careful not to mark their private key file world-readable |
| 14:25.50 | blu` | but remember, if a user makes a new directory in /home/user, it will then be world-readable unless they fix it |
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| 14:26.11 | blu` | so you might need to adjust the umask...I'm not sure about that |
| 14:26.17 | SpaceKookie | Okay. But if the top level is 700 then the other users won't be able to cd into it, right? |
| 14:26.19 | blu` | but the users can override their own umask... |
| 14:26.25 | SpaceKookie | Meaning that they wouldn't even be able to see whatever stuff is under that |
| 14:26.32 | blu` | that's right |
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| 14:26.49 | SpaceKookie | Okay. As for private keys: there aren't any on the server. only the public ones |
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| 14:27.20 | blu` | I think the eCryptfs setup for Ubuntu (and maybe Debian too, not sure) stores public keys in something like /home/.Private/ whic |
| 14:27.28 | blu` | *which is world-readable and unencrypted |
| 14:28.06 | blu` | SpaceKookie: are you sure your users won't upload their private keys? how well do they trust you? haha |
| 14:28.07 | SpaceKookie | Huh okay that sounds intersting. I might have a look at that then. Though I'm currently trying the only top level 700 and .ssh to 755 |
| 14:28.31 | SpaceKookie | blue` One user is my brother, the other my boyfriend, if they upload their private keys I will skin them alive :) |
| 14:28.31 | SpaceKookie | xD |
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| 14:28.44 | blu` | be sure to check hidden directories too...I think if you do "chmod *" it won't get e.g. /home/user/.something |
| 14:29.07 | blu` | haha |
| 14:29.40 | blu` | SpaceKookie: this is probably a fairly common issue, so sites like debian-administration and the debian admin's handbook probably talk about it |
| 14:29.51 | blu` | and I'd be surprised if it's not on stackoverflow too |
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| 14:30.06 | SpaceKookie | Ah okay, is there a debian-administration chanel on the irc? |
| 14:30.55 | blu` | http://www.debian-administration.org/ http://debian-handbook.info/ |
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| 14:32.48 | plotino | hello |
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| 14:32.54 | blu` | hello |
| 14:33.07 | plotino | i need to know when the commands listed in rc.loacl are executed |
| 14:33.25 | plotino | where is a cronological log of this? |
| 14:33.42 | plotino | and then, how to put timestamp in dmesg output? |
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| 14:33.55 | SpaceKookie | blu` btw the 700 + 755 for .ssh worked. Thanks :) |
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| 14:34.05 | ectospasm | plotino: depends on the runlevel |
| 14:34.12 | blu` | SpaceKookie: np, glad it worked :) |
| 14:35.31 | plotino | suppose a runlevel between 2 to 5 |
| 14:35.35 | ectospasm | like for instance, I'm in runlevel 2. So I look in /etc/rc2.d/ to find out when rc.local gets run |
| 14:35.53 | SpaceKookie | Completely different question…can I somehow change the group that a new folder/ file belongs to regardless of who creates it? So bob creates file a --> belongs to group "awesome". Jane creates file b --> belongs to group "cheese", etc ? What's that called so I know what to google ^^ |
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| 14:36.34 | ectospasm | Looks like mine is S25, which has a bunch of stuff. I think it runs in alphabetical order, so rc.local will get executed before e.g. rmnologin |
| 14:36.39 | formorer | SpaceKookie: https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/Directory-Setuid-and-Setgid.html |
| 14:36.45 | ectospasm | plotino: ^ |
| 14:36.59 | ectospasm | Of course, if you're using systemd I don't know how to answer that. |
| 14:37.03 | plotino | how to quick know in whch runlevel i am? |
| 14:37.16 | ectospasm | plotino: runlevel command |
| 14:37.20 | plotino | but .. |
| 14:37.32 | SpaceKookie | Thanks |
| 14:37.35 | ectospasm | plotino: just type "runlevel" with no options. |
| 14:37.38 | plotino | kxstudio i dont know if it is actuallt using systemd or init |
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| 14:39.08 | plotino | in rc2.d i see rc.local is S99 script ... |
| 14:39.20 | plotino | S99 is same as others scripts |
| 14:39.52 | blu` | SpaceKookie: this might help for more advanced config: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.remote-login.html#sect.ssh |
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| 14:41.41 | plotino | i would have rc.local as the last script to be run after boot, do you know hoe to do ti? |
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| 14:44.33 | EO_ | eo@jo:~/linux-3.14.4$ quilt push -v |
| 14:44.34 | EO_ | Applying patch debian/patches/features/all/dm-crypt/dm-crypt-remove-percpu.patch |
| 14:44.34 | EO_ | patching file drivers/md/dm-crypt.c |
| 14:44.34 | EO_ | Now at patch debian/patches/features/all/dm-crypt/dm-crypt-remove-percpu.patch |
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| 14:44.42 | EO_ | a-ha! |
| 14:44.52 | EO_ | quilt push -v is the key to slowly stepping through a patch set |
| 14:44.56 | blu` | plotino: if it's S99 then it's probably last...or if you want to be really sure I guess you could use S999 or something |
| 14:44.57 | p0a | Hello I am trying to install emacs on debian (on a VM). I use the software center and I get this error: faile to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/emacs23/emacs23-bin-common_23.2+1-7_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80]. How can I install emacs? |
| 14:45.01 | EO_ | and checking for rejects |
| 14:45.20 | blu` | EO_: that's handy to know :) |
| 14:45.32 | blu` | p0a: try running apt-get update first |
| 14:45.38 | p0a | blu`: thanks |
| 14:45.45 | blu` | or just run the update from the software center first |
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| 14:45.56 | EO_ | blu`: so this is weird. All the patches applied correctly one-by-one. |
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| 14:46.34 | blu` | EO_: well that is indeed weird...sorry to say I don't know much about quilt... but I did just discover the debian-kernel-handbook package...maybe that would help somehow |
| 14:46.38 | ectospasm | plotino: check what is running in S99 with rc.local, you may not want rc.local to run dead last |
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| 14:47.05 | ectospasm | For instance, I have S99stop-bootlogd, which I wouldn't want to run until after rc.local. |
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| 14:47.19 | EO_ | blu`: I think I know what happenned. |
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| 14:47.30 | ectospasm | well, mine is S25, but same difference |
| 14:47.41 | EO_ | blu`: I had an extra "series" file in the dm-crypt sub-directory. Quilt probably tried to use THAT as the master series file. |
| 14:48.01 | blu` | EO_: ah that's good... you should write this up in a blog post :) |
| 14:48.38 | EO_ | oh I will be. Since I'll have to do this for every upgrade until these patches are mainlined |
| 14:48.43 | p0a | blu`: that did the job. Thanks again :) |
| 14:48.51 | blu` | EO_: what does that patchset do? |
| 14:49.06 | blu` | p0a: cool good luck with emacs, I'm using it now for IRC :) |
| 14:49.13 | p0a | hehe |
| 14:49.25 | EO_ | blu`: in theory, takes my hard drive encryption speed from 130MB/s to 2000MB/s...but I haven't tested it yet |
| 14:49.34 | blu` | EO_: how does it do that? |
| 14:49.43 | EO_ | by using 16 cores =) |
| 14:49.55 | blu` | EO_: ah...that's pretty fast all right... |
| 14:50.00 | blu` | EO_: what kind of CPU? |
| 14:50.03 | EO_ | let's hope so! |
| 14:50.19 | EO_ | model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X7350 @ 2.93GHz |
| 14:50.27 | EO_ | ^^^ 4 of those CPUs (DL580 G5 esrver) |
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| 14:50.42 | blu` | EO_: I see...how fast can your storage write? |
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| 14:51.08 | EO_ | blu`: right now, only 230MB/s read and 200MB/s write...but that'll improve next week as more HDs arrive. |
| 14:51.19 | EO_ | still fast enough to test the crypto speed difference! |
| 14:51.36 | frostschutz | EO_, well, get something with aesni and you have that speed easily |
| 14:51.40 | blu` | EO_: cool. I haven't used apt-build in a long time but if it still works it might help you do this more easily when you need to update the package |
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| 14:51.53 | EO_ | frostschutz: AFAIK, AESNI is only 7x 132MB/s |
| 14:52.30 | EO_ | frostschutz: also, AESNI servers are really pricey :( |
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| 14:52.52 | frostschutz | cryptsetup benchmark # aes-xts 256b 2712.4 MiB/s 2697.2 MiB/s on a haswell i5 |
| 14:53.13 | blu` | EO_: do Xeon's not support AESNI nowadays? |
| 14:53.19 | EO_ | XTS-256 is only AES-128 |
| 14:53.32 | EO_ | My numbers are relative to AES-256 (aka: XTS-512) |
| 14:53.32 | frostschutz | # aes-xts 512b 2054.6 MiB/s 2048.2 MiB/s |
| 14:53.38 | EO_ | ok wow nice |
| 14:54.23 | EO_ | now if only it didn't cost me $3.5k to buy a server box that supports it =) |
| 14:54.35 | frostschutz | EO_, I don't know if there is a patch that improves multi core performance. I used to simply split things up into multiple partitions, multiple containers, so multiple cores work encryption while you're accessing data in different parts of your disk |
| 14:54.51 | frostschutz | but with aesni it's no longer necessary |
| 14:55.12 | blu` | EO_: do your Xeons not support AESNI? |
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| 14:55.35 | EO_ | frostschutz: sadly I don't think it works that way. I tried putting dm-crypt below md-raid (by composing md-raid of dm-crypt devices). The crypto processing is still single-threaded. I think the application doing the reading/writing drives the thread decisions. |
| 14:56.19 | EO_ | blu`: no, they're older than AESNI |
| 14:56.30 | blu` | EO_: ah too bad :( |
| 14:56.34 | frostschutz | EO_, it worked for me... but crypt below raid has its own issues (you have to encrypt more data in total so ...) |
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| 14:57.00 | EO_ | frostschutz: yeah. so this way I can do crypto above raid, and still get 2GB/s in theory... |
| 14:57.10 | EO_ | frostschutz: albeit at the cost of massive CPU usage |
| 14:57.28 | blu` | EO_: what kind of data are you writing that fast? just curious |
| 14:58.28 | EO_ | blu`: there's a buncha media on here. I don't think I'll be doing 2GB/s but it would be nice to break out of the 132MB/s prison. |
| 14:58.41 | blu` | EO_: haha roger that |
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| 14:59.47 | EO_ | I got this whole box, with a bunch of extra RAM for other boxes too for $420 total...so it's kinda better price than $3.5k :) |
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| 15:02.48 | blu` | EO_: wow... |
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| 15:03.51 | blu` | EO_: that was once a very expensive CPU... |
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| 15:04.44 | blu` | EO_: must be kind of loud with 4 of those CPUs in there |
| 15:04.59 | blu` | EO_: that's up to like 500W of CPU |
| 15:05.27 | EO_ | yup. servers are loud. |
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| 15:05.38 | EO_ | also, all 16 cores are being pegged right now with kernel compilation. yum! |
| 15:05.51 | blu` | EO_: well that shouldn't take long |
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| 15:06.48 | EO_ | No ccache here yet, so it'll take longer than it could :) |
| 15:07.49 | blu` | EO_: I'm trying to imagine what one could do with that much CPU besides compile kernels, haha |
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| 15:08.59 | EO_ | it's just nice to have for when you need it I suppose |
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| 15:09.56 | blu` | EO_: at first I figured you must be running some HPC cluster for science or something :) |
| 15:09.58 | EO_ | hmmm apparently I can upgrade this box to 24-cores. X7460 is supported |
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| 15:12.57 | EO_ | yeah, without ccache and tmpfs, this kernel compile is taking a long time |
| 15:14.00 | blu` | EO_: how much ram does it have? |
| 15:14.40 | frostschutz | I stopped using ccache when it started corrupting things ;) |
| 15:14.54 | EO_ | frostschutz: whoa, was there a bug logged? |
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| 15:15.11 | EO_ | blu`: It's got 64GB right now. I think it can take 128 or 256..forget which is the limit |
| 15:15.41 | frostschutz | EO_, was years ago, I guess it works fine nowadays, but still... fool me once, fool me twice, ... |
| 15:15.54 | EO_ | frostschutz: I use it religiously on my gentoo box |
| 15:16.04 | EO_ | a kernel compile is like 2 minutes there (24-core AMD) |
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| 15:16.26 | frostschutz | on a 24 core anything it should be fast without cache, so... :) |
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| 15:17.10 | EO_ | well, on a 16-core it's taking its sweet ass time |
| 15:17.33 | blu` | yeah once the files are in cache ccache would hardly be necessary with that much CPU |
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| 15:17.47 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 15:18.06 | blu` | hi |
| 15:19.31 | Azrael_- | i want to get teamspeak 2 running on wheezy. on squeeze it worked with supplying libmysqlclient_r.so.10.0.0 but on squeeze it just tells me "Unable to Load". i needed some guidance how to debug it. can you give me a hint? |
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| 15:20.11 | EO_ | 7A @ 120VAC = 840W wall power to chug this kernel along |
| 15:20.13 | blu` | that's the only output it gives you? |
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| 15:21.59 | blu` | Azrael_-: isn't teamspeak proprietary? does it support wheezy? |
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| 15:22.11 | Azrael_- | blu`: this is the full error message: "Database initialization error: EDatabaseError.Unable to Load /opt/teamspeak2/libmysqlclient_r.so.10.0.0" after this i only get "Start_Server: unable to open database" but i already verified the user+pass+db |
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| 15:22.42 | blu` | Azrael_-: maybe that so isn't needed for wheezy? |
| 15:22.48 | Azrael_- | teamspeak2 is already obsolete, teamspeak3 is current but i don't want to upgrade. it already didn't support squeeze from scratch |
| 15:23.06 | Azrael_- | the libmysql was too new already in squeeze, that's why i had to supply the older lib |
| 15:23.12 | blu` | Azrael_-: have you considered mumble? haha ;) |
| 15:23.22 | blu` | oh it was too new... |
| 15:23.36 | blu` | Azrael_-: well...maybe... |
| 15:23.39 | Azrael_- | blu`: if i was free in changing the server, then yes. but currently thsi is no option |
| 15:24.04 | blu` | Azrael_-: maybe you could ...build an older version of libmysqlclient and associated software and install it in /opt and use PATH to make ts use it |
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| 15:24.21 | blu` | Azrael_-: doesn't sound like fun though |
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| 15:25.02 | Azrael_- | as i said: i already supplied the older lib and provided it to ts2 by config (worked in squeeze). i just don't know how i could debug why the same procedure doesn't work in wheezy |
| 15:25.04 | distantflare | hi |
| 15:25.04 | blu` | Azrael_-: do you have to use wheezy? or could you use a squeeze vm? |
| 15:25.31 | Azrael_- | would be way too much overhead just for ts2 |
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| 15:25.34 | distantflare | ext4 on / used all space and has 0 left. After removing 200 mb of files still 0 left how to fix this? |
| 15:25.35 | blu` | Azrael_-: the older lib itself might not work with newer mysql stuff in wheezy, so maybe if you build an entire older mysql it would work |
| 15:25.49 | Azrael_- | ouch, sounds like hell |
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| 15:26.03 | blu` | distantflare: easy way, reboot...harder way, use lsof to find open files and close those processes |
| 15:26.23 | blu` | Azrael_-: maybe instead of a vm you could use a chroot |
| 15:26.37 | distantflare | blu`: there is not way to force ext to do partiall fsck or remount to recaculate space? |
| 15:26.44 | distantflare | blu`: what lsof command? |
| 15:26.53 | blu` | distantflare: the issue is probably open files, which are not deleted until the process using them ends |
| 15:27.00 | Azrael_- | and build a completely independent squeeze in it? still no easy solution, but ofc a good idea |
| 15:27.17 | blu` | distantflare: you could do something like "lsof | grep -i filename" for some of the files you deleted |
| 15:27.35 | blu` | Azrael_-: you can use debootstrap to setup squeeze in a chroot for you |
| 15:27.37 | plotino | ectospasm, |
| 15:27.44 | Azrael_- | i know |
| 15:27.53 | plotino | the point is that i have to run a script after boot sequence |
| 15:28.01 | plotino | it's a "alsa force-relaod" |
| 15:28.10 | blu` | Azrael_-: I don't know man, I'm just guessing that it's an issue with newer mysql stuff and I don't know a way around that other than to install older binaries |
| 15:28.34 | plotino | if i run rc.local after login, the script is run OK and i get the effect i want |
| 15:28.52 | Azrael_- | k, could it be perhaps also a 32bit/64bit-issue? the old squeeze-machine was 32bit, the wheezy one is 64bit |
| 15:29.19 | blu` | Azrael_-: oh maybe so... are the 32 bit compat libs installed? |
| 15:29.37 | blu` | plotino: why do you have to reload alsa? |
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| 15:29.56 | Azrael_- | libc6-i386 is installed. did i forget something? |
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| 15:30.35 | blu` | Azrael_-: I'm not sure...I spend most of my time on an i386 machine... isn't there some ia32 package or something? I don't remember the details...sorry |
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| 15:30.52 | distantflare | is it ok to live-grow ext4 of / ? |
| 15:31.06 | distantflare | (there is space on LVM, first increasing lv size) |
| 15:31.14 | Azrael_- | one second |
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| 15:31.24 | blu` | distantflare: google for "ext4 online resize" :) |
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| 15:32.02 | Azrael_- | didn't isntall it until now, could be an option |
| 15:32.04 | Azrael_- | will try |
| 15:32.13 | blu` | Azrael_-: cool, I hope that works |
| 15:32.29 | blu` | Azrael_-: I wish more people would use mumble instead of ts |
| 15:32.44 | blu` | Azrael_-: but it's hard to get people to switch sometimes |
| 15:32.45 | EO_ | yeah! mumble! |
| 15:33.07 | EO_ | /bin/sh: ps auxww | grep murmur: command not found |
| 15:33.10 | EO_ | damn |
| 15:33.14 | comradekingu | ts is junk, doesnt even opus |
| 15:33.15 | Azrael_- | especially if they are just users who don't want to invest time to switch |
| 15:33.25 | EO_ | murmur 14692 0.0 0.0 337332 7376 ? Sl 2013 3:33 /usr/bin/murmurd -ini /etc/murmur/murmur.ini |
| 15:33.40 | blu` | murmur? |
| 15:33.44 | blu` | ,v murmur |
| 15:33.45 | judd | Package: murmur on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.2+svn20100315.r1208-1; jessie: 1:0.2+svn20100315.r1208-2; sid: 1:0.2+svn20100315.r1208-2; wheezy: 1:0.2+svn20100315.r1208-2 |
| 15:33.50 | blu` | oops wrong command |
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| 15:33.58 | mawe | how can i tell amavis to accept mails from another ip than localhost? |
| 15:33.58 | blu` | well it doesn't seem to be related to mumble |
| 15:34.10 | EO_ | blu`: it's the mumble server. it's pretty damn related. |
| 15:34.16 | mawe | I cant find any docs on that. |
| 15:34.30 | blu` | EO_: oh, haha...there's a package in Debian called murmur but it's not a mumble thing |
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| 15:35.30 | EO_ | also, debuild seems to be building the kernel 3 times over. not sure why all the repetition. |
| 15:35.42 | blu` | EO_: arches? |
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| 15:36.03 | EO_ | I don't think I have cross compilation tools/libs installed |
| 15:36.26 | blu` | EO_: maybe it's just having so much fun flexing those CPU muscles it doesn't want to stop |
| 15:36.35 | EO_ | that's my present theory ;) |
| 15:36.51 | blu` | EO_: what kind of UPS do you have on it? |
| 15:37.12 | EO_ | it's just in my lab right now, no UPS. When it moves to the rack it'll be on an APC 5000VA @ 240VAC |
| 15:37.18 | blu` | cool |
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| 15:37.39 | blu` | I mean...hot...that's more accurate |
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| 15:38.40 | EO_ | I think you might be right about the arches |
| 15:38.56 | EO_ | these iterations of building are fast, and they keep saying "gcc-4.7 not found" |
| 15:39.03 | EO_ | which probably means the gcc for that target |
| 15:39.08 | blu` | hm...that's weird...but yeah that makes sense |
| 15:39.42 | EO_ | ooo we seem to be compressing something. could it be done! :D |
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| 15:41.54 | blu` | EO_: is that patchset going upstream? |
| 15:42.47 | EO_ | blu`: he's been trying to upstream for years. He got 1 fix in recently, but not the patchset. |
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| 15:44.04 | EO_ | looks like debuild is pooping out debs |
| 15:44.05 | blu` | EO_: probably not easy to parallelize something like that I guess...they probably want it done just a certain way |
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| 15:44.22 | EO_ | blu`: yeah, it doesn't look like a trivial patchset |
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| 15:48.06 | Azrael_- | blu`: thanks, with the ia32-libs it worked |
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| 15:50.01 | blu` | Azrael_-: wow that's awesome :) |
| 15:50.08 | blu` | Azrael_-: gotta love the simple solutions |
| 15:50.16 | blu` | Azrael_-: you should write that up on a blog somewhere :) |
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| 15:50.48 | Azrael_- | yeah, simple solutions are always the best. |
| 15:50.58 | Azrael_- | don't like public statements :) |
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| 15:51.35 | blu` | Azrael_-: I understand what you mean...I keep thinking about starting a blog about this kind of stuff but I hesitate |
| 15:53.53 | EO_ | dpkg-deb taking loooong time to build the kernel image |
| 15:54.16 | blu` | EO_: I wonder what your I/O rates are |
| 15:54.33 | EO_ | limited to 150MB/s on this file system |
| 15:54.58 | EO_ | actually no, 130MB/s cuz of crypto |
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| 15:55.35 | blu` | EO_: I guess I should google this, but I've always wondered...they say CPUs are fast enough that encryption doesn't usually bottleneck I/O anymore, but doesn't it prevent DMA writes to the disk? or is that an issue from the past? |
| 15:55.43 | EO_ | Gotta upgrade the lame P400 controller that comes default with this server. |
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| 15:56.14 | EO_ | blu`: the disk still DMAs to RAM, then the CPU operates on the RAM to decrypt/encrypt |
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| 15:56.44 | blu` | EO_: I see...and I guess the CPU-RAM bandwidth is so high it doesn't matter |
| 15:56.48 | EO_ | Unless you do your crypto using the totally unverifiable self-encrypting-drives |
| 15:57.07 | EO_ | CPU-RAM tends to be several GB/s |
| 15:57.11 | blu` | EO_: now who would do that ;) |
| 15:57.39 | blu` | EO_: I feel like computers are so fast now at the micro level that it's beyond human comprehension |
| 15:58.28 | EO_ | computers aren't fast enough I say! |
| 15:58.38 | blu` | EO_: haha yeah both at the same time |
| 15:58.45 | blu` | EO_: but what I really want is better batteries |
| 16:00.16 | EO_ | what would u do with em? |
| 16:00.38 | blu` | EO_: well what's the point of having GHz in your pocket if it only lasts a few hours of actual screen-on use :/ |
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| 16:02.12 | blu` | I upgraded from a Galaxy S3 to an S4 and was hoping for more battery life...but it seems about the same...barely a day, and that's if I don't use it much |
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| 16:09.19 | reactormonk_ | netinstall is stuck at downloading packages after tasksel - ideas? |
| 16:10.11 | babilen | reactormonk_: Check tty4 (alt-f4) for errors/messages |
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| 16:13.11 | reactormonk_ | babilen, not available, running it over a serial console |
| 16:13.23 | reactormonk_ | well, let's see if alt-f4 does something |
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| 16:13.58 | reactormonk_ | nope. |
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| 16:20.56 | blu` | reactormonk_: |
| 16:21.08 | blu` | reactormonk_: can you kill the install process and check the log? |
| 16:21.34 | reactormonk_ | blu`, how do I kill it? |
| 16:21.44 | blu` | well...Ctrl+C? |
| 16:22.05 | blu` | or Ctrl+Z might let you access a prompt |
| 16:22.46 | reactormonk_ | let's see |
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| 16:24.10 | reactormonk_ | no reaction from either |
| 16:24.16 | blu` | ok... |
| 16:24.41 | blu` | I haven't installed in a long time... maybe you could ...put screen or tmux on the install image and run the installer inside them? |
| 16:24.54 | blu` | then you could swap to another console and read the logs |
| 16:24.59 | reactormonk_ | is the bootloader setup last or is that before taskel? |
| 16:25.44 | blu` | I'm not sure...been a long time since I installed...but grub is probably reconfigured or updated near the end of the process either way |
| 16:26.06 | reactormonk_ | ok |
| 16:26.15 | blu` | maybe you just need to install a minimal system from a disk and then you can do the network stuff |
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| 16:30.59 | blu` | reactormonk_: make sure to file a bug if you find one :) installer bugs are the worst |
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| 16:40.18 | reactormonk_ | I just restarted it. should do. |
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| 16:42.30 | mawe | It seems that all traffic comming from the domUs shows the public ip of the dom0, at least for ipv4.. seems like an iptables issue |
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| 16:44.59 | mawe | Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT 5510K packets, 397M bytes) |
| 16:45.01 | mawe | 1 569K 39M MASQUERADE all -- any eth0 anywhere anywhere |
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| 16:48.30 | EO_ | man, it's gotta be stuck or something. dpgkg-deb is still going |
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| 16:49.52 | EO_ | hmmm according to strace it's reading/writing a lot. |
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| 16:51.47 | mawe | well that solved it... seems I accidently added postrouting for every interface and not just for those domU guest which doesn't have a public ip |
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| 16:55.42 | Arr0way | weird issue when installing debian from USB - it appears to overwrite the MBR on the usb pen even though I tell grub to use the HD i've installed debian on. |
| 16:55.49 | Arr0way | tried on testing / stab;e/ |
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| 16:56.08 | mtn | Arr0way: did you make the usb using unetbootin? |
| 16:56.27 | Arr0way | mtn: sudo dd bs=1m if=debian-jessie-DI-a1-amd64-gnome-CD-1.iso of=/dev/disk2 |
| 16:56.35 | Arr0way | from osx |
| 16:57.00 | mtn | Arr0way: ok. don't know osx |
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| 16:58.13 | mtn | Arr0way: also, you are trying the testing installer, which is not for installing jessie, but for testing the installer |
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| 16:58.49 | blu` | EO_: man that must be the longest compile ever...doesn't take this long on my measely desktop |
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| 17:02.54 | Arr0way | mtn: hmm |
| 17:02.57 | Arr0way | dman |
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| 17:04.42 | albru123 | how to get ntfs-3g with fuse support to work? I've built it and set permissions, but it still has some permission issues. My goal is to automatically mount USB HDD with NTFS partition. |
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| 17:05.00 | Arr0way | mtn: are you sure? |
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| 17:06.38 | mtn | Arr0way: about the testing installer? yes |
| 17:07.03 | Arr0way | mtn: ill retry with this image http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 17:09.16 | blu` | albru123: you built it instead of installing the deb package? |
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| 17:09.46 | albru123 | Yeah, there's package with fuse support for it blu`? |
| 17:10.27 | blu` | albru123: honestly I don't know the details about the package...it's always Just Worked for me... does the default package not work for you? |
| 17:11.06 | albru123 | No blu` |
| 17:11.13 | blu` | albru123: why not? |
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| 17:12.23 | albru123 | blu`: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#unprivileged |
| 17:13.25 | blu` | albru123: does the default package really not have fuse support? |
| 17:13.36 | albru123 | IDK |
| 17:13.38 | blu` | albru123: AFAIK ntfs-3g *is* a FUSE package |
| 17:13.47 | blu` | $ apt-cache show ntfs-3g |
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| 17:14.04 | MikOo | Hello |
| 17:14.11 | albru123 | Ok, it is a fuse package |
| 17:14.16 | blu` | hello MikOo |
| 17:14.33 | blu` | albru123: well at least you don't need to build it yourself anymore :) |
| 17:14.39 | albru123 | but still don't know why it said it don't have fuse support |
| 17:14.48 | blu` | albru123: what said that? |
| 17:14.50 | MikOo | Where is the cron which run update db in debian wheezy ?? |
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| 17:15.21 | blu` | MikOo: it's probably listed under "locate" not "updatedb" |
| 17:15.37 | albru123 | ntfs-3g when GNOME tried to mount the HDD blu` |
| 17:15.46 | blu` | MikOo: try $ rgrep updatedb /etc/cron* |
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| 17:16.17 | blu` | albru123: did ntfs-3g say that or did GNOME say that? |
| 17:16.20 | MikOo | yes there is a script mlocate which run /usr/bin/updatedb.mlocate but it is no documented... |
| 17:16.33 | blu` | MikOo: what do you mean not documented? |
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| 17:17.05 | MikOo | blu I'm going to try it |
| 17:17.10 | blu` | okay |
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| 17:17.22 | albru123 | blu`: IMHO it was ntfs-3g, when I try to mount it in console it gives me error in the same style as if I try to mount it in GNOME |
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| 17:17.36 | blu` | albru123: it would be helpful to see the error message |
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| 17:18.16 | MikOo | no man for updatedb.mlocate and nothing on internet... |
| 17:18.30 | blu` | MikOo: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:18.42 | albru123 | blu`: Then I have to uninstall ntfs-3g I've built myself, is deleting ntfs-3g things in /bin enough? |
| 17:18.52 | blu` | albru123: how did you install it? |
| 17:18.59 | albru123 | make install |
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| 17:19.15 | blu` | albru123: you should look into the checkinstall package...it turns any make install into a deb |
| 17:19.27 | blu` | albru123: that way you can uninstall it easily... but anyway, try "make uninstall" |
| 17:19.29 | MikOo | I have this in /etc/cron.daily : mlocate that's all no comment or man ... |
| 17:19.36 | albru123 | blu`: I think it's late to make a package :D |
| 17:19.50 | blu` | MikOo: what are you trying to *do*? |
| 17:20.15 | albru123 | blu`: Yeah, it uninstalled it |
| 17:20.38 | blu` | albru123: actually..ok cool, but actually you might still be able to build a package with checkinstall and then uninstall it...might remove everything more thoroughly |
| 17:20.41 | moty66 | I have a problem after rebooting the system, debian stops in "Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: ssh |
| 17:20.48 | moty66 | any idea how to fix this? |
| 17:20.53 | MikOo | nothing It's for curiosity locate works on my Debian... |
| 17:20.54 | blu` | moty66: after rebooting what system? |
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| 17:21.07 | blu` | MikOo: ...so what are you trying to find out? |
| 17:21.23 | moty66 | I have debian wheezy |
| 17:21.35 | blu` | albru123: of course another way is to use dpkg-buildpackage on the debian source package to build a deb the right way |
| 17:21.58 | blu` | moty66: when did the problem start happening? |
| 17:22.13 | albru123 | blu`: Now it won't recognize the NTFS partition, is reboot needed? |
| 17:22.33 | blu` | albru123: if you uninstalled ntfs-3g you need to install the package |
| 17:22.52 | albru123 | blu`: It says it is installed |
| 17:22.53 | blu` | albru123: it doesn't require a reboot to use ntfs-3g |
| 17:23.00 | blu` | albru123: what says it's installed? |
| 17:23.04 | albru123 | apt-get |
| 17:23.16 | blu` | albru123: but did you actually install the package after running "make uninstall"? |
| 17:23.26 | albru123 | no |
| 17:23.32 | moty66 | blu`: last thing I did was creating a script in /etc/init.d/, using it to start eibd |
| 17:23.35 | blu` | albru123: then the files aren't on the system, you tricked dpkg and apt |
| 17:23.50 | blu` | moty66: so you made your own init script and it broke the system :) |
| 17:24.00 | albru123 | I read somewhere that ntfs-3g built manually are installing to another place than normal package |
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| 17:24.05 | blu` | moty66: try booting into single user mode |
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| 17:24.20 | blu` | albru123: maybe, but apparently not ;) |
| 17:25.11 | blu` | albru123: reinstall it with apt and it will probably work |
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| 17:25.33 | moty66 | blu`: I am not sure how can eibd break the system, I found the script here http://michlstechblog.info/blog/knxeib-sysv-startscript-for-eibd/ |
| 17:25.56 | blu` | moty66: I don't know what eibd is, but apparently that init script is causing a problem |
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| 17:26.14 | blu` | moty66: if you boot into single user mode you can probably remove the script |
| 17:26.20 | albru123 | blu`: apt says I have the newest version |
| 17:26.42 | blu` | albru123: ...like I said, you tricked dpkg and apt by deleting the files directly with make uninstall |
| 17:26.54 | blu` | albru123: reinstall the package |
| 17:27.00 | albru123 | ok |
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| 17:29.30 | moty66 | blu`: removing the script resolve the problem, thanks |
| 17:29.37 | blu` | moty66: great |
| 17:30.00 | moty66 | blu`: can you help me in fixing the init.d script? |
| 17:30.31 | blu` | moty66: I'm not really knowledgable about init scripts in particular... if the one you installed is not for Debian systems then it might not work with Debian |
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| 17:30.38 | moty66 | blu`: http://paste.debian.net/105120/ |
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| 17:31.16 | blu` | moty66: first you should try running the script without rebooting, e.g. $ sudo /etc/init.d/scriptname start |
| 17:31.26 | blu` | moty66: see what the output is |
| 17:31.44 | moty66 | blu`: I did, it works fine |
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| 17:32.15 | moty66 | but I don't why what does not run in background |
| 17:32.20 | moty66 | maybe this is the problem |
| 17:32.25 | blu` | moty66: I see that that script does something with usb...looks really complicated... |
| 17:32.42 | blu` | moty66: wait, the script doesn't return? |
| 17:33.03 | moty66 | no, does not return |
| 17:33.14 | moty66 | the option -d for eibd is for running as daemon |
| 17:33.15 | blu` | moty66: well I guess that's the problem then, init is waiting for the script to return |
| 17:33.26 | albru123 | blu`: Now it doesn't show any error, but the folder is empty |
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| 17:33.40 | blu` | albru123: what folder? what did you do? |
| 17:33.53 | MikOo | blu I would like to understand why /usr/bin/updatedb.mlocate and not simply updatedb ... |
| 17:33.55 | moty66 | blu`: I'll try to fix that |
| 17:34.01 | albru123 | apt-get remove ntfs-3g and then install blu` |
| 17:34.13 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 17:34.14 | albru123 | Do i have to manually build the package and uninstall it? :/ |
| 17:34.14 | blu` | albru123: no, after that |
| 17:34.49 | blu` | MikOo: I don't know what you're asking... it's just a filename... I guess the answer is that there are multiple packages which provide updatedb, and mlocate is one of them, and updatedb points to that |
| 17:35.17 | albru123 | blu`: It also generates new ramdisk after install, are you sure that no reboot is required? |
| 17:35.20 | EO_ | 8388608000 bytes (8.4 GB) copied, 36.243 s, 231 MB/s |
| 17:35.23 | EO_ | great success! |
| 17:35.30 | EO_ | crypto speed = underlying device speed |
| 17:35.38 | Azrael_- | i'm running teamspeak 2 on my server and created a new virtual server but i can't connect with the client. no firewall or anything related running. also bound ts2 to a specific ip. do you have an idea? |
| 17:35.42 | blu` | albru123: kernel modules don't require rebooting to load... but hey give it a try, who knows |
| 17:35.52 | blu` | EO_: nice :) |
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| 17:36.06 | EO_ | no more 130MB/s limit. feelsgoodman. |
| 17:36.11 | blu` | Azrael_-: see if the port is open? |
| 17:36.30 | MikOo | I'm going to look in the package ... |
| 17:36.33 | MikOo | Thank you |
| 17:36.43 | blu` | MikOo: you might want to look up update-alternatives |
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| 17:36.57 | blu` | MikOo: also compare e.g. mlocate and slocate |
| 17:37.00 | MikOo | ok t |
| 17:37.08 | Azrael_- | blu`: everything open. i remember i had the same problem once on another server before but can't remember what i had to do to solve it. it's just too long ago. tcpdump also shows the port receiving data, but ts2 doesn't answer |
| 17:37.11 | MikOo | yes I'll do |
| 17:37.20 | MikOo | thanks |
| 17:37.22 | moty66 | blu`: fixed the problem, thanks for your help |
| 17:37.25 | blu` | MikOo: I think what you're really wondering is how Debian packaging works, and that's a big subject which is documented on the web sites :) |
| 17:37.30 | blu` | moty66: awesome, nice work :) |
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| 17:37.59 | blu` | Azrael_-: that's tough...ts2 being proprietary and all... can you get debug output from the server? |
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| 17:38.51 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 17:38.58 | blu` | hi mcgreg |
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| 17:39.08 | mcgreg | I have a problem with debian unstable |
| 17:39.23 | Azrael_- | blu`: unfortunately not, don't see any hints/problems/messages, nothing |
| 17:39.37 | mcgreg | may I ask here? Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only). |
| 17:39.43 | albru123 | blu`: rebooted, now it shows the error, currently pasting it ... |
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| 17:39.50 | blu` | Azrael_-: well, I dunno... maybe a permissions problem or something? or maybe just a problem with ts itself |
| 17:40.08 | blu` | mcgreg: I don't mind... but #debian-next is on OFTC not freenode |
| 17:40.38 | mcgreg | I'll start to explain... |
| 17:40.50 | mcgreg | 1. I did a fresh install from netinstall cd |
| 17:40.53 | MikOo | perhaps indeed... but manpage of updatedb says: "updatedb is usually run daily by cron(8) to update the default database." So I expect to find updatedb in cron... |
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| 17:41.18 | mcgreg | grub wasn't installed corrctly - system woulnd't boot up |
| 17:41.21 | blu` | MikOo: the name of the cron job may not match the name of the executable... it tends to match the package name which may not be the same as the package name either |
| 17:41.22 | mcgreg | a bug I guess |
| 17:41.31 | albru123 | blu`: http://pastie.org/9292701 |
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| 17:41.59 | blu` | albru123: sounds like a permission problem. are you in the fuse group? |
| 17:42.21 | albru123 | I think I was |
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| 17:42.31 | blu` | albru123: run the groups command to make sure |
| 17:42.34 | albru123 | let me check |
| 17:42.35 | mcgreg | I fixed it manuallyby chrooting and doing grub-install |
| 17:42.38 | mtn | mcgreg: which netinstall cd? |
| 17:42.53 | Azrael_- | blu`: the "something" is my problem as i'm currently quite clueless. permissions are probably not the problem, even running it as root doesn't improve anything |
| 17:42.55 | mcgreg | mtn: daily one / amd64 |
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| 17:43.09 | blu` | Azrael_-: ok yeah probably not a permissions issue then :) |
| 17:43.15 | mtn | mcgreg: stable? testing? etc etc |
| 17:43.16 | albru123 | Yes, I am blu` |
| 17:43.21 | mcgreg | testing |
| 17:43.22 | MikOo | ok blu`... |
| 17:43.24 | blu` | albru123: how are you trying to mount it? |
| 17:43.32 | albru123 | Just open it in GNOME |
| 17:43.43 | mtn | mcgreg: the testing installer is not for installing, but for testing the installer. use the stable installer instead. |
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| 17:43.48 | blu` | Azrael_-: can you connect from localhost? |
| 17:43.54 | MikOo | I can understand that |
| 17:44.10 | mcgreg | alright |
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| 17:44.20 | mcgreg | after I fixed grub the system bootet fine |
| 17:44.31 | mcgreg | first I instaleld X and kde-full |
| 17:44.35 | blu` | albru123: well it says you're an unprivileged user. try mounting it as root just to see if it works |
| 17:44.46 | mcgreg | and the firmware files for my gfx card |
| 17:44.58 | mcgreg | I rebootet - everything was fine |
| 17:45.05 | mtn | mcgreg: can you put your thoughts in one or two sentences, all together so they are easy to read? |
| 17:45.22 | mcgreg | I'll try |
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| 17:46.39 | albru123 | blu`: Did "mount -a", then opened that partition and it's empty, just like before reboot |
| 17:47.05 | blu` | albru123: mount -a mounts the stuff in /etc/fstab. I'm guessing that you didn't add it to fstab |
| 17:47.22 | blu` | albru123: try $ sudo mount /dev/whatever /mnt |
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| 17:48.22 | mcgreg | after the reboot I continued install software , video, games, and stuff .. just about everything I could think of. I configured my old fstab , installed drivers from git for my gfx card... then I rebootet again. the shutdown took pretty long. when the system started booting errors appeared: systemd-cgroups-agent: Failed to get D-Bus connection: Failed to connect to socket /org/freedesktop/system/private: Connection refused |
| 17:48.30 | mcgreg | the system wouldn't boot anymore |
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| 17:49.31 | blu` | mcgreg: I'm afraid I don't know much about systemd, but I wonder if your old fstab could be an issue |
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| 17:50.26 | sideup66 | Hello |
| 17:50.43 | mcgreg | blu`: I can remove all entries I added |
| 17:50.48 | blu` | mcgreg: also, installing drivers from git... that is kind of vague, and who knows how that was done and what it did |
| 17:50.50 | sideup66 | I hava an issue on debian 7 with chromium web browser |
| 17:51.00 | blu` | hello sideup66 |
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| 17:51.17 | mcgreg | blu`: it was just gfx drivers |
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| 17:51.24 | sideup66 | Hello blu |
| 17:51.33 | mtn | sideup66: ask your question |
| 17:51.34 | sideup66 | Sorry no tab key on phone lol |
| 17:51.39 | blu` | mcgreg: "just" drivers :) who knows what the installation process for that did to your system |
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| 17:52.30 | sideup66 | Well my issue is when i launch chromium from my package, the process loads into memory but my browser window does not open. I am on the latest debian 7 update with all system updates installed |
| 17:52.36 | blu` | mcgreg: maybe you should try reinstalling systemd and dbus packages |
| 17:52.51 | Mike9863 | I just updated to sid and now Ctrl Alt L no longer locks my sessions. How can I get this functionality back? |
| 17:53.05 | sideup66 | I have tried fully removing rhe package and dug through the system removing any leftover files i could find |
| 17:53.12 | blu` | Mike9863: that would depend on what desktop environment you're using |
| 17:53.24 | Mike9863 | blu`: GNOME 3 |
| 17:53.35 | blu` | sideup66: try running it from a terminal and see what the output is |
| 17:54.01 | blu` | Mike9863: um...well GNOME likes to change things like that... and it's not easy to configure stuff sometimes because they like to remove settings or make them hard to change |
| 17:54.02 | sideup66 | blu': i tried that, there is no output actually |
| 17:54.14 | albru123 | blu`: Did, it's empty and it looks like data on HDD has lost during the process, gotta try on windows |
| 17:54.17 | blu` | Mike9863: your question is really a GNOME3 question not a Debian question |
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| 17:54.29 | sideup66 | But if i ps ax and grep chromium its there |
| 17:54.35 | blu` | albru123: that's weird... hope you didn't actually lose data |
| 17:54.39 | Mike9863 | blu`: Yeah I noticed a lot of strange changes after updating. I'll try getting help from #gnome |
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| 17:55.09 | blu` | albru123: you have to be careful when using NTFS with Linux to not mount it in Linux if Windows didn't actually shutdown first...if you hibernated and then mount it in linux it can be a problem I hear |
| 17:55.23 | blu` | Mike9863: recommend looking into KDE or Xfce ;) |
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| 17:55.25 | sideup66 | blu`: if i try launching it with the no sandbox parameter it shows illegal instruction |
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| 17:55.47 | idueppe | which hypervisor and cloud management software is most supported by debian (like XenServer, Proxmox, CloudStack, OpenStack, Eucalyptus or OpenQRM?) |
| 17:55.47 | blu` | sideup66: you said you installed "your" package of chromium...what did that mean? |
| 17:56.25 | sideup66 | blu`: i mean i installed the official debian version of chromium from debian repositories |
| 17:56.33 | blu` | sideup66: okay |
| 17:57.14 | blu` | sideup66: "chromium-browser --help" shows a "--debug" option...try that |
| 17:57.22 | sideup66 | Ok |
| 17:57.33 | mtn | sideup66: maybe remove your chrome folder in .chromium (rename will work fine, too) |
| 17:57.50 | mtn | sideup66: to see hidden (.) folders, hit ctrl+H in file manager |
| 17:57.51 | sideup66 | Mtn: that is in home directory? |
| 17:58.00 | blu` | sideup66: yes, try moving your old config out of ~/.config/chromium |
| 17:58.06 | mtn | sideup66: in .config, I mean. sorry, yes, in your home folder |
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| 17:58.36 | sideup66 | Ok hold on |
| 17:58.48 | mtn | sideup66: sorry for the typos, too |
| 17:58.50 | sideup66 | Im workimg remotely so combo of ssh + teamviewer lll |
| 17:58.55 | sideup66 | Its ok |
| 17:58.59 | blu` | sideup66: waaaaaiiiit a minute |
| 17:59.05 | sideup66 | ? |
| 17:59.14 | blu` | sideup66: you're not sitting at the computer Chromium's running on? |
| 17:59.35 | sideup66 | ? No but the remote software im using puts me there |
| 17:59.45 | blu` | sideup66: how? does it forward X or is it like VNC? |
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| 17:59.55 | sideup66 | Teamviewer is like vnc |
| 18:00.07 | blu` | sideup66: ok then, probably not an issue |
| 18:00.11 | sideup66 | It gives me gnome 3 in all its glory |
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| 18:00.19 | blu` | sideup66: but details like that could still be relevant ;) |
| 18:00.27 | sideup66 | True |
| 18:00.40 | sideup66 | I doubt it as teamviewer and chromium play nice |
| 18:00.44 | sideup66 | But yes |
| 18:01.01 | blu` | sideup66: I bet there's a good chance mtn is right... probably old config files |
| 18:01.38 | sideup66 | Ill try, i purged them before when the compile fiasco happened in the last build |
| 18:02.00 | blu` | sideup66: when the what happened? |
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| 18:02.26 | sideup66 | That was debians fault, there was an issue where they didnt compile it for 32 bit and the very next version this was corrected |
| 18:02.34 | blu` | sideup66: oh |
| 18:02.38 | sideup66 | It was documwnted in the debiam bug system |
| 18:02.42 | blu` | ok |
| 18:02.47 | sideup66 | And it updated past that |
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| 18:03.05 | Sergonium | hey, anyway i could restore the default config of a package easilly? i chose N or O : keep your currently-installed version with an update and now the specific package fails to work |
| 18:03.10 | blu` | well between removing the old config and using --debug you should be able to get some output to figure it out |
| 18:03.27 | blu` | Sergonium: purge and reinstall is the easiest way I guess |
| 18:03.29 | sideup66 | Ok |
| 18:03.38 | MarcoZink | Hi, does anyone have experience installing dahdi and Asterisk in debian 6 or 7? |
| 18:03.48 | MarcoZink | in a Xen VPS |
| 18:04.19 | Sergonium | ok thnx blu`, will try that |
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| 18:06.27 | Sergonium | hmm its php5-fpm but when i remote purge it wants to install apache etc, maybe i can better just grab the config out of the package itself |
| 18:06.38 | sideup66 | Just reviewing help file |
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| 18:08.31 | blu` | Sergonium: yeah there's probably a default config in /usr/share/doc or /lib or something... "dpkg -L" is your friend :) |
| 18:08.33 | sideup66 | This is a server so the browser having a bunch of extensions and such isnt necessary, its utilitarian |
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| 18:11.13 | albru123 | blu`: All files on that partition are gone, but nvm, most of them were installation or live CD iso files. But when I mount it as root, it works. |
| 18:11.29 | blu` | albru123: wow, I wonder what happened to delete them |
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| 18:12.08 | albru123 | Me too :/ |
| 18:12.18 | blu` | albru123: well, I guess you know it's a permissions problem now |
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| 18:12.36 | blu` | albru123: in fact, you can try mounting it from a terminal as a normal user too |
| 18:12.40 | Azrael_- | can i search for packages which were installed on a specific date? |
| 18:12.42 | sideup66 | Does anyone know where chromium would show ita log files? |
| 18:12.46 | blu` | albru123: maybe the problem is in GNOME or some backend stuff |
| 18:13.00 | albru123 | yeah, maybe |
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| 18:13.05 | blu` | Azrael_-: you can look in /var/log for the dpkg or aptitude logs, etc and find the date in the log file |
| 18:13.08 | nkuttler | Azrael_-: you can check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 18:13.19 | Azrael_- | hmmm, ok |
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| 18:13.43 | blu` | sideup66: if you run "chromium-browser --debug" it should output to the terminal |
| 18:13.55 | sideup66 | Ok |
| 18:13.58 | sideup66 | Hold on |
| 18:14.04 | sideup66 | Lets do rhis dance again |
| 18:14.12 | albru123 | blu`: Looks like it works as normal user too :) |
| 18:14.23 | blu` | albru123: well that's good, now we know it's a gnome or backend problem |
| 18:14.44 | albru123 | I wonder if it's worth to switch to Cinnamon |
| 18:14.57 | blu` | albru123: that probably uses the same backend gnome stuff for mounting |
| 18:15.31 | blu` | albru123: I guess if you want to be thorough the next step is to install something like xfce and see if it can mount |
| 18:15.43 | blu` | albru123: then you'll know if it's gnome specifically that's the problem |
| 18:15.44 | albru123 | Ok, the error's here again blu` |
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| 18:16.03 | blu` | yeah I still have that error opened that you pasted earlier |
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| 18:16.23 | Sergonium | ahh okay thnx blu` will look there next time, i sorta did the lame way, untargz'ed the deb file downloaded from the site:) anyway works again now |
| 18:16.40 | blu` | Sergonium: hey man whatever works :) |
| 18:16.43 | Azrael_- | hmmm, ok, needed an information about the packages back in 2010 :) |
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| 18:16.50 | albru123 | I mounted and umounted it as root and then gnome was able to mount it as user, IDK what to do with it |
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| 18:16.59 | blu` | Azrael_-: I'm guessing those logs are rotated away by now but maybe you'll get lucky |
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| 18:17.17 | blu` | albru123: hm... yeah I don't know... are you on wheezy? |
| 18:17.27 | albru123 | yeah |
| 18:17.47 | jmcnaught | Azrael_-: would http://snapshot.debian.org/ help? |
| 18:18.00 | blu` | albru123: sorry man, I don't know... if I really wanted to dig deeper I'd install another GUI or DE that mounts stuff to find out if it's really gnome that's the problem or something above gnome |
| 18:18.01 | Azrael_- | blu`: yeah, already rotated away |
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| 18:18.21 | sideup66 | Ok blu`: it loads up some info on chromiumcthen gives me a gdb prompt after that |
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| 18:18.26 | mcgreg | re |
| 18:18.29 | sideup66 | But shows notjing about any error |
| 18:18.33 | blu` | sideup66: ...it launched gdb? |
| 18:18.40 | mcgreg | blu`: found the buggers I thinkl |
| 18:18.46 | mcgreg | it was indeed my fstab |
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| 18:18.51 | Azrael_- | jmcnaught: thanks but i'm just failing to run a program on a new machine and want to find out why. one idea was a missing package and thus i wanted to look on the old machine, what packages were installed on the same date as the program. |
| 18:18.56 | blu` | sideup66: oh lol...it actually does do that...wow... I thought --debug would just give output |
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| 18:19.10 | blu` | mcgreg: cool! do you know which line was the problem? |
| 18:19.12 | pri_con | are the debian repos down? |
| 18:19.23 | sideup66 | Yes, in chromium --help says it launches from gdb using the debug switch |
| 18:19.28 | mcgreg | blu`: commented out something http://paste.debian.net/105127/ |
| 18:19.37 | blu` | sideup66: what about --temp-profile? |
| 18:19.39 | albru123 | blu`: Ok :( |
| 18:20.39 | blu` | mcgreg: oh yeah man, /run and /var/run and /sys/kernel/debug... you shouldn't be adding lines like that to fstab yourself |
| 18:21.05 | blu` | mcgreg: not unless you know what you're doing :) |
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| 18:21.18 | blu` | mcgreg: try to follow the principle of making the fewest changes necessary :) |
| 18:21.25 | mcgreg | blu`: it was fine with sysinit - on all of my computers |
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| 18:21.35 | blu` | mcgreg: systemd is very different |
| 18:21.41 | mcgreg | and still is ... this is my first systemd one |
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| 18:22.05 | mcgreg | yeah and I already dont like it .. but unfortunately it is the debian default one |
| 18:22.13 | blu` | mcgreg: systemd does a lot more and uses kernel stuff like cgroups that sysv doesn't |
| 18:22.23 | sideup66 | Lolnope |
| 18:22.27 | blu` | mcgreg: yeah :( but for jessie at least you can still use sysv |
| 18:22.37 | sideup66 | blu`: nothing |
| 18:22.46 | blu` | sideup66: ok, well here's my last idea |
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| 18:22.58 | blu` | sideup66: run it again, and when it freezes, strace it to see what it's blocking on |
| 18:23.04 | blu` | sideup66: assuming it's blocking |
| 18:23.17 | sideup66 | Hmmm ok |
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| 18:23.36 | sideup66 | It launches in ahell or from gnome and just like i said does nothing |
| 18:23.47 | sideup66 | But its definitely in memory somewhere |
| 18:24.04 | blu` | sideup66: if you can find out if it's blocking on a syscall maybe you can get a clue to the problem |
| 18:24.16 | blu` | sideup66: or maybe it's in a loop |
| 18:24.19 | sideup66 | Hmm ok hang on |
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| 18:25.57 | sideup66 | By the way |
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| 18:26.02 | sideup66 | May i ask |
| 18:26.10 | blu` | sideup66: definitely not! |
| 18:26.37 | sideup66 | Does it matter that chromium was compiled in i_486, system is 32 bit pae |
| 18:26.53 | blu` | sideup66: j/k ;) no i486 is still 32 bit |
| 18:27.07 | sideup66 | Ok wasnt sure if that made pae mad somehow |
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| 18:28.07 | sideup66 | And woah....whole lot of crap spat out |
| 18:28.28 | blu` | sideup66: yeah that's to be expected...what's at the end is what probably matters |
| 18:28.45 | sideup66 | Ok hold on |
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| 18:29.32 | sideup66 | Sigchild child exited and then rec msg 8, |
| 18:29.45 | blu` | mike |
| 18:29.48 | sideup66 | Thats what i see ao it looks like its hung up on somthing |
| 18:29.50 | blu` | oops |
| 18:30.00 | blu` | erc completion is messing with me... |
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| 18:30.17 | blu` | sideup66: some context would probably be helpful |
| 18:30.35 | blu` | sideup66: but chrome launches a lot of processes...so...yeah... kind of a mess |
| 18:30.52 | sideup66 | Yeah this may be better to diagnose at terminal |
| 18:30.53 | lanodan | Hello, I'm looking for a XIM(X Input Method) to load ~/.XCompose |
| 18:31.14 | blu` | sideup66: I like to use htop to get quick access to strace for running processes |
| 18:31.29 | sideup66 | Alot ofcrap and not easy to read on a phone lol |
| 18:31.36 | blu` | sideup66: on a phone?? |
| 18:32.06 | sideup66 | Yup , teamviewer works on android to connect to pc runnong it and well ssh has ssh clients |
| 18:32.10 | blu` | lanodan: I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do... but if you're using KDE or Xfce or something, there may be settings in the control panel thingy |
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| 18:32.20 | blu` | sideup66: oh I see |
| 18:32.24 | sideup66 | Im remote and working all this from my phone |
| 18:32.33 | blu` | sideup66: you are a patient man then lol |
| 18:32.58 | sideup66 | Lol i wanna fix it, its somthing so stupid to be broken |
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| 18:33.12 | sideup66 | Of all thimgs could break om my server...this lol |
| 18:33.17 | blu` | sideup66: if you'll have non-phone access to it later, I'd wait... should be much less frustrating |
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| 18:33.49 | sideup66 | Yeah its not fun reading all that output and sortimg, also its unlikely but ive had weird hiccups im teamviewer before |
| 18:34.08 | sideup66 | Only once but outside chance it ccould be that again |
| 18:36.51 | sideup66 | Teamviewer eats battery and my ssh and remote files work |
| 18:36.57 | lanodan | blu`: I'm in Xfce but I'm not looking for settings but a XIM |
| 18:37.05 | sideup66 | Thanks for your time blu` |
| 18:37.12 | blu` | sideup66: np man good luck |
| 18:37.16 | sideup66 | Thanks |
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| 18:37.30 | blu` | lanodan: I'm still not sure exactly what you're trying to do, but I think you can choose an XIM in the control panel |
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| 18:39.15 | lanodan | blu`: Yes the control panel will install me an Input Method |
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| 18:40.26 | ted20 | I'm fuckin pissed off |
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| 18:40.42 | ted20 | It does not work form fuckin 3 day |
| 18:40.44 | ted20 | It does not work form fuckin 3 days |
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| 18:41.13 | blu` | ted20: I don't think this is the appropriate place for you to complain like that |
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| 18:42.04 | ted20 | blu`: i know, but, you see that |
| 18:42.37 | ted20 | blu`: it's SICK! |
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| 18:44.20 | blu` | ted20: I still recommend using debian-installer to either install it or install a similar copy and compare configs... it does the setup for you... if you haven't done that, please don't come back and swear in here... go take a walk and breathe some fresh air |
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| 18:45.17 | ted20 | blu`: Well, but he doesn't see my lvm volume. |
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| 18:45.41 | ted20 | 'course it's very comfortable method, but you see |
| 18:45.44 | blu` | ted20: doesn't see? what does that mean? did you try stuff like lvscan? |
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| 18:46.29 | Azrael_- | blu`: changed the data-storage from mysql to sqlite and now it works :( |
| 18:46.41 | blu` | Azrael_-: haha that's great! |
| 18:46.58 | Azrael_- | kinda, now i don't know how i could alter data if i needed to |
| 18:47.12 | blu` | Azrael_-: that's easy, there are plenty of ways to manipulate sqlite dbs |
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| 18:49.23 | blu` | Azrael_-: using sqlite is a lot simpler than mysql, you should be all set now |
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| 18:50.31 | Azrael_- | perhaps, but sqlite3 doesn't seem to support it |
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| 18:51.10 | blu` | Azrael_-: doesn't seem to support what? |
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| 18:53.42 | pri_con | im getting an error when running apt or synaptic. |
| 18:53.44 | pri_con | Failed to fetch http://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/Release.gpg Something wicked happened resolving 'www.deb-multimedia.org:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname) |
| 18:53.53 | pri_con | is this a problem with my dns settings? |
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| 18:54.36 | blu` | pri_con: probably not since you're here :) try running "nslookup www.deb-multimedia.org" |
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| 18:55.56 | blu` | pri_con: oh, it looks like it's trying to resolve a domain with ":http" in it instead of using :http as the port |
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| 18:56.50 | blu` | pri_con: maybe it's a problem in your apt sources |
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| 18:59.33 | pri_con | blu`: # Debian Multimedia, contains non-free software like acrobat reader deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ squeeze main non-free |
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| 18:59.56 | pri_con | there is a newline before deb... |
| 19:00.38 | babilen | dpkg: why not dmm |
| 19:00.38 | dpkg | The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>. |
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| 19:01.32 | Azrael_- | blu`: ts2 creates a server.dbs which should be a sqlite-file but sqlite3 claims it isn't one :) |
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| 19:02.12 | pri_con | well, i'm trying to install flashplayer |
| 19:02.20 | blu` | Azrael_-: use the file command to find out what kind of file it really is |
| 19:02.43 | Azrael_- | hehe, ok, it is a sqlite 2.x database |
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| 19:03.53 | Azrael_- | with sqlite it works, thanks again :) |
| 19:04.02 | blu` | Azrael_-: ok so I guess you just need a utility that reads those files...which I'm sure is easy to find in Debian :) |
| 19:04.11 | blu` | Azrael_-: cool :) |
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| 19:05.51 | blu` | dpkg: adobe flash |
| 19:05.51 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is proprietary (non-free) software. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree package, ask me about <contrib>. WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer. Try «update-flashplugin-nonfree --install» if the installation didn't seem to work or to update the plugin. |
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| 19:13.19 | Poultra | hi |
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| 19:13.31 | thingamabob | there is no update for the linux flashplugin anymore :( |
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| 19:13.41 | thingamabob | @dpkg ;) |
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| 19:13.54 | Poultra | salut tout le monde |
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| 19:15.30 | yokisho | Hi Poultra |
| 19:15.41 | yokisho | commo ta le vous? |
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| 19:15.58 | Poultra | bien et toi? |
| 19:16.25 | yokisho | très bien |
| 19:16.52 | yokisho | merci :) |
| 19:17.42 | mawe | is anyone using courier-maildrop ? i would like to warn the user if his mailbox is running full but the quotawarn file is not created in the users maildir |
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| 19:18.49 | Poultra | yokisho tu connais bien debian? |
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| 19:19.04 | babilen | mawe: I'd rather ask in #courier (not much of a Debian problem) |
| 19:19.19 | babilen | dpkg: fr |
| 19:19.20 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 19:19.29 | babilen | Poultra: ^^^ (or English in here) |
| 19:19.31 | mawe | thanks I did but the channel is kind of dead :) |
| 19:19.38 | Poultra | dpkg ok |
| 19:19.38 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Poultra |
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| 19:20.07 | Poultra | i can in english but its make efforts for me |
| 19:20.37 | Poultra | debian prefer english ? |
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| 19:20.44 | babilen | Poultra: Sure, we have #debian-fr for a reason and I am sure you are welcome there. |
| 19:21.14 | babilen | Poultra: #debian is an English speaking channel, #debian-fr a French one. Join it with "/join #debian-fr" |
| 19:21.15 | Poultra | ok but I dont think debian is english its just an os |
| 19:21.30 | Poultra | babilen ok |
| 19:21.51 | Poultra | i think debian doesnt like french guys.. |
| 19:22.23 | formorer | a lot of our developers are french guys. |
| 19:22.52 | Poultra | but they need to speak english .. |
| 19:23.17 | ompaul | Poultra: have you a specific debian question |
| 19:23.22 | babilen | Poultra: Debian has no problem with French people whatsoever. It just so happens that *this channel* is English. We have *many* channels for different languages such as German, Mandarin, French, Spanish, ... |
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| 19:23.25 | Poultra | yes |
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| 19:23.53 | babilen | Poultra: So feel free to ask in English here or "/join #debian-fr" and speak French. Both is fine. |
| 19:24.07 | Poultra | if i am from 8.1 and i want to change my system ? what is the best os ?? debian ? |
| 19:24.22 | ompaul | !tell Poultra about why debian |
| 19:24.23 | Poultra | 8.1 is microsoft |
| 19:24.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell Poultra -about install debian |
| 19:24.55 | ompaul | Poultra: please check the information in a message from dpkg |
| 19:25.09 | babilen | Poultra: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/index.html.fr |
| 19:25.14 | Poultra | yes but .. |
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| 19:25.25 | ompaul | Poultra: you haven't read all that already have you? |
| 19:25.25 | babilen | but? |
| 19:25.40 | Poultra | do i need a anti-virus? |
| 19:25.45 | babilen | Poultra: It should also be noted that you cannot speak English in #debian-fr (either way, lets move on) |
| 19:25.45 | Poultra | an |
| 19:25.56 | babilen | Poultra: Typically not. |
| 19:26.06 | ectospasm | I have an issue, and I'm trying to fix it in one of two places. At work I use OS X (not my choice, but it was either that or Windows which I'd have no control over). I've gotten almost everything working the way I want in OS X, except backward- and forward-word in e.g. a web browser text edit box. In OS X it's Option-Left/Right, and in PC-land (Debian and Windows) it's Ctrl-Left/Right. I want to change it |
| 19:26.08 | ectospasm | in either one. It doesn't matter which one wins, just as long as it's consistent between the two. |
| 19:26.34 | Poultra | babilen typicall not? |
| 19:26.53 | ectospasm | I figure Debian would be more accommodating, so I ask here. |
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| 19:27.02 | blu` | ectospasm: maybe you could remap ctrl/option to the other key, but that would affect everything of course, not just back/forward-word |
| 19:27.11 | Poultra | babilen so why smatphone have virus ?? its come from android .. and its linux |
| 19:27.14 | babilen | Poultra: Yes, it is very uncommon to need an antivirus on Linux. You would typically only use it if you get in contact with data meant for Windows (e.g. mails) |
| 19:27.41 | blu` | ectospasm: maybe in Gtk you can edit the keyboard map for just back/forward-word |
| 19:27.51 | Poultra | babilen there is a firewall on debian? |
| 19:27.55 | ompaul | Poultra: different design from android and windows |
| 19:27.57 | babilen | Poultra: Because it is specifically targetted. There are so called "rootkits" and scanner exist for it, but I wouldn't worry about it. |
| 19:28.12 | Poultra | ok |
| 19:28.12 | babilen | Poultra: You also don't really need a firewall on your computer. |
| 19:28.18 | Poultra | ok |
| 19:28.40 | Poultra | so with debian you need no firewall and anti-virus |
| 19:28.46 | Poultra | ??? |
| 19:28.52 | mjt | with the amount of "infections" due to weak ssh passwords I'd say it is quite common to have virus on linux running... :) |
| 19:28.56 | blu` | Poultra: basically yes :) be free! |
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| 19:29.24 | Poultra | i think with linux all virus are free |
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| 19:29.28 | jmcnaught | Poultra: if you connect your computer to an internet using a router then you don't need a firewall, but if your computer is directly connected to the internet (with no router) then a firewall should be considered |
| 19:29.31 | ompaul | mjt: provide statistics to back that up please. Real, and verifiable. |
| 19:29.41 | blu` | mjt: is ssh configured by default for password login and no throttle? |
| 19:29.47 | Poultra | ok |
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| 19:29.49 | babilen | Poultra: All that a firewall does is to *close* ports. The best way to deal with that is, however, to never open them *and* to secure the services that do open ports. But, yes, there is a wonderful firewall on Linux called "iptables" that is, however, not that intuitive to use (firewalls are *hard*) which lead to the development of various frontends. |
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| 19:30.09 | babilen | Poultra: Just like with an antivirus scanner I wouldn't necessarily worry too much about that either. |
| 19:30.10 | Poultra | why society like linux for protection is there is no virus? |
| 19:30.28 | mjt | I don't have stats. but I dealt with rootkits due to weak root paswords about a dozen times already, for several friends of mine |
| 19:30.43 | mjt | you don't really need stats for that, either |
| 19:30.46 | ompaul | Poultra: do problems for the 2CV exist in the F1 Renault other than flat tires - different designs |
| 19:30.48 | blu` | mjt may have a point... if you have auth logs to look at you might see login attempts |
| 19:31.14 | blu` | mjt: but is password auth on by default? |
| 19:31.21 | Poultra | ompaul i worked for renault !! i programmed for it |
| 19:31.25 | mjt | yes it is on by default |
| 19:31.35 | blu` | mjt: but not for root, right? |
| 19:31.36 | mjt | because else most new users wont be able to login |
| 19:31.46 | ompaul | disable root is now default but that is a side issue |
| 19:31.47 | ectospasm | blu`: yeah, I don't want to affect anything else. |
| 19:32.04 | ompaul | pick a strong password, disable root have a non intuitive login name and you'll be good |
| 19:32.15 | ompaul | if you have to live on the internet |
| 19:32.16 | blu` | ectospasm: it's hard since you're talking about different programs, but for Gtk and Qt in general you might be able to do it... then there's readline which is easy |
| 19:32.32 | mjt | I'm not sure about root. Isn't whole root account disabled on debian by default, in favour of sudo? |
| 19:32.48 | ectospasm | blu`: yeah, readline exists in both Debian and OS X, but I don't want to do it for just the terminal. |
| 19:32.50 | blu` | mjt: I don't know, last time I actually installed Debian was so long ago... |
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| 19:33.00 | ompaul | mjt: only if you don't install a root password to begin with |
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| 19:33.10 | blu` | ectospasm: yeah... I know Gtk has some global keyboard map files... or Gtk2 used to anyway |
| 19:33.43 | ectospasm | Good thing I'm using Xfce4, right? |
| 19:33.48 | blu` | ectospasm: I suppooooose you could use something like xbindkeys with some scripts to send different key combos to different active windows... quite messy but possible |
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| 19:34.19 | blu` | mjt: AFAIK root password login is disabled by default in SSH |
| 19:34.42 | blu` | mjt: of course a keylogger running as a user could still capture that user's X input... |
| 19:35.14 | mjt | ok, here's something different. A touchpad on my laptop broke today, so I don't have a pointing device for now. Is there a way to control mouse with a keyboard, if the keyboard does not have numeric keypad either (and so no numlock etc)? |
| 19:35.41 | blu` | mjt: ouch :) well I'm guessing "apt-cache search emulate mouse" might find something... |
| 19:35.44 | ompaul | mjt: which model |
| 19:36.11 | mjt | ompaul: it is a lenovo thinkpad e310 laptop, if you're asking about the laptop model |
| 19:36.18 | jmcnaught | mjt: in gnome-shell you can enable "mouse-keys" from the accessibility menu |
| 19:36.50 | blu` | mjt: yeah if you turn on numlock on your laptop maybe you can use the not-really-numpad keys to do it |
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| 19:37.14 | ompaul | mjt: then the blue buttons are your number lock research this command keynav |
| 19:37.16 | mjt | blu`: there's no numlock key as I already mentioned :) |
| 19:37.31 | ompaul | mjt: there is if you look at the blue keys on a thinkpad |
| 19:37.32 | blu` | mjt: as ompaul said, there must be one, even if it's a combo |
| 19:37.45 | mjt | there are no blue keys :) |
| 19:37.53 | jmcnaught | mjt: on my thinkpad numlock is Fn+Screen Lock |
| 19:38.04 | blu` | mjt: surely there's a blue symbol on a key that activates numlock |
| 19:38.49 | mjt | heh. There's no ScreenLock either |
| 19:39.06 | blu` | mjt: are there really no keys that have extra blue symbols that are activated with the Fn key? |
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| 19:39.16 | mjt | I especially asked lenovo guy about the numeric keypad when I bought it - they confirmed this model does not have it |
| 19:39.17 | jmcnaught | mjt: "ScrLk" is above F11 on my X200 |
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| 19:39.41 | blu` | mjt: it doesn't have a dedicated numpad but it should have numlock which makes some keys act like a numpad |
| 19:39.48 | mjt | jmcnaught: and? There's nothing above my f11 :) |
| 19:39.57 | blu` | I give up lol :) |
| 19:40.04 | ompaul | mjt: orange |
| 19:40.07 | ompaul | in that case |
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| 19:41.16 | mjt | heh. I can't paste without mouse |
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| 19:41.48 | blu` | ctrl+y/ |
| 19:41.49 | blu` | ? |
| 19:41.55 | ompaul | ctrl V |
| 19:42.01 | blu` | emacs :) |
| 19:42.10 | mjt | Ctrl+V produces highlighted V in irssi |
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| 19:42.12 | ompaul | mjt: that is a few vague inaccurate suggestions you have made so far, both of which have little merit except to tell us your friends don't run their computers behind a router and don't do basic infosec correctly |
| 19:42.21 | ompaul | s/both/some |
| 19:42.24 | akp | hey, can i use a fat32 or ext partition as swap space? |
| 19:42.40 | akp | i have a machine with mdraid 1 on it, and a swap partition is on there |
| 19:42.47 | jmcnaught | mjt: Ctrl+Shift+V to paste in gnome terminal |
| 19:42.47 | akp | and its always in auto-read-only mode |
| 19:42.51 | blu` | akp: you can make a swapfile on ext |
| 19:43.01 | mjt | ompaul: what suggestions? I think I haven't made any suggestions so far... |
| 19:43.05 | akp | cool |
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| 19:43.37 | blu` | akp: I don't know what you mean about a swap partition being in read-only mode |
| 19:43.45 | blu` | akp: it's only mountable as swap |
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| 19:44.07 | jmcnaught | mjt: also if your J, K, L keys also have 1, 2, 3 on them then you probably have numlock. Maybe check the thinkpad manual for how to enable it |
| 19:44.09 | blu` | I guess paul meant that for someone else somewhere else |
| 19:44.22 | mjt | jmcnaught: they don't ;) |
| 19:44.24 | akp | http://paste.debian.net/105144/ |
| 19:44.33 | ompaul | mjt: you need an answer, rootkits found by you because your mates can't learn from each other, and the weak passwords people install av software those who don't have decent passwords are very unlikely to use AV |
| 19:44.34 | ted20 | blu`: I checked it. I can not mount lvm volume on the debian installer, because it has not cryptsetup. |
| 19:44.40 | blu` | mjt: unless Lenovo has been unusually dumb, your laptop has numpad emulation |
| 19:44.40 | akp | blu`: check out that pastebin link i just sent |
| 19:44.55 | blu` | ted20: the debian installer certainly does have cryptsetup |
| 19:45.08 | ompaul | blu`: they don't make them without it, and keynav helps |
| 19:45.27 | blu` | ompaul: keynav? |
| 19:45.32 | ompaul | yes |
| 19:45.41 | blu` | akp: that must be an md problem, not a swap problem... |
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| 19:46.04 | blu` | ompaul: sorry I don't know what keynav is |
| 19:46.07 | ted20 | blu`: Well, your suggestions are not useful, i'm sorry... |
| 19:46.15 | ompaul | blu`: a debian package to allow that |
| 19:46.19 | blu` | ted20: you didn't try all of my suggestions |
| 19:46.25 | blu` | ompaul: oh excellent |
| 19:46.35 | mjt | ompaul: that my statement - that it is "unusual" to have no virus on a linux system - was nothing more than a joke, marked with a smile at the end for a reason. I know this problem exists, you know it exists too, we both know how to avoid it in the first place. And I haven't suggested anything here about this topic (just pointing out that virus do exists for linux, for real). |
| 19:46.36 | frostschutz | akp, auto-read-only is completely normal, nothing to worry about |
| 19:46.41 | ted20 | blu`: so, say more |
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| 19:47.28 | blu` | ted20: for the third and last time... use debian-installer to create an identical setup in a loopback image, then compare the config files and make the appropriate changes to the real ones |
| 19:47.42 | mjt | blu`: just take a look at the pics found by goog for "thinkpad e130" - you'll see this model does not have most of the usual "blue" keys. Lenovo support says it doesn't have that part. |
| 19:47.49 | mjt | jmcnaught: ^^ |
| 19:48.01 | mjt | unfortunately I can't paste the url or else i'd did |
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| 19:48.20 | ted20 | blu`: okay, but i have not free space on hdd |
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| 19:48.28 | mjt | (need middle mouse button to paste) |
| 19:48.41 | jmcnaught | mjt: i'm surprised it doesn't have a trackpoint. Also are you using Gnome Terminal? you can paste with Ctrl+Shift+V... it's probably similar in other terminals |
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| 19:49.00 | blu` | mjt: I see the dumbed down the keyboard... but it's possible there's still hidden numpad emulation even if the numbers aren't printed on the keys |
| 19:49.07 | mjt | jmcnaught: it has a trackpoint but it is dead together with the touchpad |
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| 19:49.27 | blu` | mjt: sometimes shift+Insert pastes |
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| 19:49.36 | mjt | there's no Insert key either :) |
| 19:49.42 | mjt | only Delete :) |
| 19:49.48 | blu` | mjt: you need to return that laptop for a refund, it's defective by design :/ |
| 19:50.05 | mjt | actually I liked it very much for its very compact size |
| 19:50.15 | jmcnaught | mjt: no USB keyboards around? |
| 19:50.17 | blu` | mjt: trip to walmart/equivalent and buy a $5 usb keyboard/mouse? |
| 19:50.33 | mjt | yea. Will do tomorrow. Theres no stores around here |
| 19:50.35 | ted20 | blu`: so, you have not any idea? |
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| 19:50.44 | ompaul | http://fanslaptop.com/images/img3/T400.jpg |
| 19:50.48 | blu` | mjt: yeah it looks nice but they didn't have to apple-ify the keyboard :/ |
| 19:50.49 | ompaul | meh |
| 19:51.07 | mjt | I'm at vacation, took it with me to work, there's nothing useful around me right now :) |
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| 19:51.11 | ted20 | ompaul: i'm in console without frame buffer |
| 19:51.31 | blu` | ted20: you never answered when i asked if you tried lvscan |
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| 19:52.22 | mjt | ok. in gnome-terminal Ctrl+Shift+V works. In roxterm (which I used to use) it doesn.t |
| 19:52.34 | ted20 | blu`: I checked that, but i said lvscan doesn't see my lvm volume, because it's the volume with encryption. |
| 19:52.42 | blu` | yeah ctrl+Shift+v works in Konsole too |
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| 19:53.06 | blu` | ted20: this is getting specific to how you setup lvm and luks and stuff |
| 19:53.18 | blu` | ted20: maybe you need to use luksOpen |
| 19:53.23 | blu` | cryptsetup luksOpen that is |
| 19:53.37 | Extensa5630G | man...what the heck, my debian wheezy kde OS keeps rebooting randomly when I'm in the middle of something, I doubt that's related to an overheat, though i have win7 as well, and the i have never faced such issue in it, i doubt that the temp limmit in linux is 60 or such, but what the heck...this used to happen with debian wheezy gnome3 as well, before that i switched to kde |
| 19:53.43 | ted20 | blu`: Exactly I use it for mount. |
| 19:53.54 | ted20 | ompaul: i'm in console without frame buffer |
| 19:53.57 | ted20 | *to |
| 19:54.18 | blu` | Extensa5630G: I guess there's a question in there somewhere :) |
| 19:54.37 | blu` | ted20: ok so... if you can mount it... what's the problem again? |
| 19:54.40 | mjt | blu`: so, like this: http://lenovo-forums.ru/uploads/inline/2013-09/523f3074913bc_2.jpg (should be easy to find "lenovo thinkpad e130") - no ScrollLOck, no Ins, no blue labels on the keys, only Fn with red-marked F1-F12 keys |
| 19:54.41 | ompaul | ted20: I wasn't addressing you |
| 19:54.45 | Extensa5630G | blu`: what wasn't my statemnt clear enough to be a question? :P |
| 19:55.36 | blu` | mjt: I know, but it may use the same underlying hardware as other keyboards... maybe they just didn't print the labels... sometimes features are hidden but built-in because it would cost more to remove them. no guarantee but there's a chance |
| 19:55.47 | jmcnaught | ted20: lvs and lvscan should be able to see an LV even if it's encrypted.. or is this LV inside a VG that is itself composed of encrypted volumes of some sort? |
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| 19:57.00 | blu` | mjt: anyway there's probably a way to emulate a numpad in software |
| 19:57.07 | blu` | mjt: and that would probably work with mousekeys |
| 19:57.19 | mjt | blu`: there's no key which is used as a NumLock (which is ScrollLock iirc), so there's no key to turn that keypad mode on/off. But lemme try mousekeys... ;) |
| 19:57.30 | ted20 | blu`: The problem is in OS. It says: "Booting the kernel, enter passphrase for /dev/sda1" I entered correct password, and I don't see busybox, nothing zero, blank screen. |
| 19:57.42 | blu` | mjt: yeah you can probably configure some kind of mousekeys that doesn't use numpad keys anyway |
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| 19:58.03 | blu` | ted20: ok, /dev/sda1 is not a lvm anything, just a raw partition |
| 19:58.23 | ted20 | it was an example... |
| 19:58.37 | blu` | ted20: ...example error messages are not useful |
| 19:59.51 | ted20 | blu`: I only see it, no more |
| 20:00.29 | blu` | ted20: I think there are pages on the Debian and/or Ubuntu and/or Arch wikis that explain how to setup encrypted boot stuff after having already installed a system... if you follow those steps with your particular details it'll probably work |
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| 20:00.57 | blu` | ted20: but if you don't already know how you setup lvm and encryption and all the nesting of volumes and groups, we can't really help you |
| 20:01.46 | blu` | ted20: maybe if you ask on StackOverflow with specific details someone will be able to help you better |
| 20:02.36 | ted20 | ehh... i've lvm + luks on hdd, it has created by the debian installer. Is it understandable? |
| 20:03.01 | ted20 | Probably mistakes are in grub config |
| 20:03.04 | ted20 | 100% |
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| 20:03.34 | blu` | ted20: so try those wiki pages and it should have the info |
| 20:03.38 | blu` | good luck |
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| 20:04.02 | ted20 | info about? |
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| 20:04.17 | kristian-aalborg | cheers |
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| 20:04.38 | blu` | about configuring grub, what you just said |
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| 20:04.51 | kristian-aalborg | I'm trying to get mediatomb working with subtitles, no luck so far |
| 20:05.11 | kristian-aalborg | apologies for posting here, but #mediatomb seems dead |
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| 20:05.36 | blu` | kristian-aalborg: mediatomb is still kind of new isn't it? |
| 20:05.38 | kristian-aalborg | this is the server: Linux cthulhu 3.9-0.bpo.1-486 #1 Debian 3.9.6-1~bpo70+1 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:05.47 | p0a | Hello I am trying to compile a simple file that uses the lua library with gcc. I use debian and I have installed liblua50 and liblua50-dev. When I try to compile with gcc -llua50 test.c I get error about the header files not found |
| 20:05.50 | p0a | Why are the header files not found? Shouldn't debians package manager install them somewhere where Gcc sees them? |
| 20:05.59 | kristian-aalborg | new? It more seems like it's half-abandoned to me |
| 20:06.17 | blu` | kristian-aalborg: good point :) |
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| 20:06.45 | kristian-aalborg | I tried this, but nothing happens: https://gist.github.com/betacar/1556720 |
| 20:07.15 | ted20 | blu`: i found some info about it, but #1 cryptdevice=/dev/volume-group/logical-volume:root & #2 root=/dev/mapper/volume-group, cryptdevice=/dev/sda1:volume-group. Both are not useful. |
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| 20:07.34 | blu` | kristian-aalborg: I'm sorry I know nothing about mediatomb |
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| 20:07.45 | blu` | kristian-aalborg: even the name scares me, haha |
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| 20:07.58 | blu` | kristian-aalborg: it's like "the place where media goes to die" :) |
| 20:08.15 | p0a | I might just have installed the wrong packages. Sorry |
| 20:08.30 | blu` | p0a: gotta love the easy solutions :) |
| 20:08.38 | p0a | :-P |
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| 20:08.49 | kristian-aalborg | media is fine, subtitles on the other hand... |
| 20:08.57 | ted20 | blu`: so, now do you've any idea? |
| 20:08.58 | horsik | what do i do to install quake2? |
| 20:09.04 | blu` | ted20: I'm sorry but I don't think I can help you anymore. between the wikis and stackoverflow you can probably find the answer |
| 20:09.11 | horsik | it requires some packages that are not in the respository |
| 20:09.22 | jmcnaught | kristian-aalborg: you might just need to be patient in the #mediatomb channel. it says on their website to be patient because they might be idling |
| 20:09.45 | ted20 | blu`: your skill is still a small. |
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| 20:10.02 | kristian-aalborg | seems they are idling all right... |
| 20:10.04 | blu` | ted20: I don't like helping rude people. I've been very patient with you and repeated myself 3+ times. good luck |
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| 20:10.50 | blu` | horsik: I assume google doesn't have the answer? I imagine people have installed quake on debian before :) |
| 20:10.53 | somiaj | horsik: what packages does it require that are not in the repos? |
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| 20:11.38 | _dero | does anyone know why the default ulimit core size on debian is set to 0-hard? is this default based on security issues? just curious on the rationale behind this, I don't see any mention of it in the man page or any discussions online |
| 20:11.52 | ted20 | blu`: I'm not rude. Simply I'm pissed off. |
| 20:12.05 | owen1 | one in a while my terminal freezes and i have to do 'pkill xterm'. is there any clue for the cause? not sure if that's helpful - http://paste.debian.net/105148/ |
| 20:12.13 | blu` | ted20: I guess English isn't your native tongue, but the last thing you said to me sounds like an insult |
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| 20:12.41 | lanodan | blu`: *native language |
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| 20:12.59 | ted20 | blu`: hehe, no comments |
| 20:12.59 | blu` | lanodan: "native tongue" is not incorrect :) |
| 20:13.22 | lanodan | blu`: It sounds strange for me |
| 20:13.30 | blu` | lanodan: where are you from? |
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| 20:13.57 | blu` | owen1: you should give more information and context |
| 20:14.19 | lanodan | blu`: Brittany(France) but I talk more English than French |
| 20:14.31 | blu` | lanodan: ok, well, English is my native tongue :) |
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| 20:15.07 | Poultra | yes but I am french since 1970' and its unix native |
| 20:15.20 | blu` | ... |
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| 20:15.24 | Poultra | hehe |
| 20:15.30 | Monotoko | I've got a hard-drive booted with KVM that doesn't seem to boot in Xen or Hyper-V, modprobe can't find the correct drivers. It looks like it has a modified kernel, is there anyway I can get the standard debian kernel back onto this installation? |
| 20:15.44 | Poultra | from 1970 unix |
| 20:15.58 | ted20 | blu`: I've never told to you that. |
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| 20:16.04 | owen1 | blu`: i use i3 as my window manager. i open a new terminal with mod+enter and once it a while the terminal is freezing - i can't do anything in it and can't even close it. is that what u meant by 'more information/contex'? |
| 20:16.09 | Poultra | yblue |
| 20:16.22 | blu` | Monotoko: I guess you could chroot into it and use dpkg to install a kernel package... |
| 20:16.40 | Monotoko | blu`: no need to chroot... I've got it booted in KVM :) |
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| 20:16.42 | blu` | owen1: does it happen when you run particular commands? |
| 20:16.54 | blu` | Monotoko: ok...so can you just install a kernel deb? |
| 20:16.58 | owen1 | blu`: right now i am in vim. but i am not sure if it's always the case. |
| 20:17.06 | owen1 | blu`: maybe it's vim |
| 20:17.08 | blu` | owen1: so it might be vim that's freezing and not xterm |
| 20:17.32 | blu` | owen1: if you have vim extensions installed maybe some of them are blocking on i/o or something |
| 20:17.34 | Monotoko | blu`: it's that simple? Alright... any ideas where I can get the standard kernel deb? |
| 20:17.48 | owen1 | 3764 0.1 0.2 183164 10100 pts/6 Sl+ 13:09 0:00 vim main.js |
| 20:17.58 | blu` | Monotoko: is it a debian system? if so just "apt-get update; apt-get install linux-image-whatever" |
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| 20:18.12 | Monotoko | blu`: aye... let me try that |
| 20:18.13 | owen1 | blu`: i'll try to run vim with no plugins. thanks |
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| 20:18.22 | blu` | owen1: good luck |
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| 20:18.31 | blu` | owen1: and you might try gvim |
| 20:18.56 | ted20 | owen1: look at vim.tiny if you want vi |
| 20:18.56 | owen1 | blu`: i just pkill vim but the xterm is still frozen |
| 20:19.18 | blu` | owen1: maybe you could try a different terminal emulator and see if it still happens |
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| 20:19.41 | owen1 | ok |
| 20:19.44 | owen1 | thanks |
| 20:20.10 | blu` | owen1: sure. I use konsole most of the time but sometimes emacs for shells too |
| 20:20.21 | Poultra | blu what is a different terminator |
| 20:20.51 | blu` | poultra: you might try konsole, xfce4-terminal, rox-term, etc... note: emulator not terminator :) |
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| 20:21.03 | V^V | hey, is there a way to set fstab to try only X times/X time to mount a device, otherwise to continue as nofail? |
| 20:21.05 | Poultra | blu i have win8.1 and i dont have terminator |
| 20:21.14 | Poultra | ah ok |
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| 20:21.31 | blu` | Poultra: windows only comes with cmd.exe by default I think... maybe powershell but I don't know anything about that |
| 20:21.38 | Poultra | now you use witch terminator |
| 20:21.49 | Poultra | ah ok |
| 20:21.50 | V^V | blu`: Powershell is defualt on Ultimate |
| 20:21.54 | blu` | Poultra: I use Konsole. If you really want a linux-like terminal on windows you can install cygwin |
| 20:21.58 | Monotoko | blu`: it's on a read-only file system, odd? |
| 20:22.12 | Poultra | what is cygwin? |
| 20:22.17 | ted20 | Poultra: wiki |
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| 20:22.22 | Poultra | pedia |
| 20:22.25 | blu` | Monotoko: depends... maybe there was a problem mounting it.. if so there should be errors in the boot log |
| 20:22.35 | Poultra | ah ok |
| 20:22.54 | blu` | Poultra: better for you to google cygwin than for me to explain it |
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| 20:23.01 | Poultra | what is mounting |
| 20:23.14 | Poultra | i prefer you |
| 20:23.16 | blu` | Monotoko: I don't know much about kvm though, so it might be a kvm problem |
| 20:23.20 | V^V | does it smell like trolls here? |
| 20:23.28 | blu` | yeah I almost wonder if Poultra is a bot... |
| 20:23.31 | Poultra | vv yes me |
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| 20:23.47 | Poultra | i wonder the same about you blu |
| 20:23.49 | Monotoko | blu`: I was wondering that myself... but KVM is the only thing I've managed to get it to even boot in so far |
| 20:23.57 | blu` | i am not a robot i promise |
| 20:24.02 | Poultra | ok |
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| 20:24.20 | Poultra | but you promise a good os? |
| 20:24.24 | blu` | Monotoko: I'm assuming this isn't something you originally set up yourself :) |
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| 20:24.54 | Poultra | blu why debian ?. |
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| 20:25.10 | blu` | Poultra, this may be heresy in #debian, but if you really want to ditch Windows, you would probably find Ubuntu easier to install and use, and then someday you would find Debian easier to understand |
| 20:25.21 | Monotoko | blu`: nope... looks like it's found inconsistancies and can't fsck them -.- |
| 20:25.25 | Poultra | blu |
| 20:25.30 | jmcnaught | Poultra: https://wiki.debian.org/fr/WhyDebian |
| 20:25.40 | blu` | jmcnaught: dpkg already told him that an hour ago :) |
| 20:25.47 | mjt | Monotoko: or just weren't able to find its root filesystem? |
| 20:25.49 | Poultra | but i know debian ubundtu and mandrake and unix |
| 20:25.49 | ted20 | Poultra: Because we love him, we still work in 640x480 resolution. |
| 20:25.58 | Poultra | ted20 ohh |
| 20:26.14 | Monotoko | mjt: nah it can find it... it can continue in read-only mode and everything is there (just about) |
| 20:26.15 | blu` | Monotoko: why can't it fsck? |
| 20:26.20 | Poultra | only 640x480 debian? |
| 20:26.43 | Poultra | blu i worked in unix 10 years ago .. |
| 20:27.15 | jmcnaught | Poultra: this is a support channel, not a place to chat or get opinions. If you want to install Debian and run into problems this (or #debian-fr) is the right place. But if you have general questions you should probably do some research on your own. |
| 20:27.25 | mjt | Monotoko: that's good. Because quite often when you run it in virt your guest can't find the drivers for new "hardware", or your drives change names (like using /dev/vda instead of sda for virtio-block in qemu/kvm) and it doesnt boot telling it can't find root fs. |
| 20:27.39 | Poultra | jmcnaught ok merci :D |
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| 20:28.04 | Poultra | jmcnaught i need your opinion! |
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| 20:28.13 | Poultra | merci |
| 20:28.19 | Monotoko | blu`: it says "An automated file system check (fsck) failed. A manual fsck must be run" - it makes sense though, considering this has been dd'd and sent over the net and uploaded and downloaded just about everywhere |
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| 20:28.31 | Monotoko | what doesn't make sense... is the fact that modprobe is saying it can't find the xen drivers |
| 20:28.33 | blu` | Monotoko: whoa... you should checksum that image then |
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| 20:29.00 | Poultra | blu debian is fail-system? |
| 20:29.14 | Poultra | oula |
| 20:29.21 | ted20 | Poultra: Debian is the worst OS |
| 20:29.23 | Poultra | dangerous |
| 20:29.38 | mjt | it will eat your dog for breakfast, yes |
| 20:29.40 | Poultra | ted20 i wa sure !! its not a good system? |
| 20:29.42 | Monotoko | blu`: probably, but i just needed the image to try and get it to boot in Hyper-V - once I do that I can go back to the Windows admin and tell him he needs to do X to get it to work |
| 20:29.52 | Monotoko | and make sure it's dd'd properly from the original system |
| 20:29.57 | blu` | Monotoko: haha I don't envy you :) |
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| 20:30.08 | Poultra | I am afraid about debian noxw ^^ |
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| 20:30.13 | blu` | Monotoko: might want to use rsync instead of dd |
| 20:30.13 | ted20 | Poultra: Generally, I don't recommend for all |
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| 20:30.26 | jmcnaught | Poultra: if you don't have support questions please be quiet |
| 20:30.28 | Monotoko | blu`: no-one ever does ;) it's not as bad as the IIS 5 app they had running that I had to look after though |
| 20:30.28 | Poultra | is it a good system? what is your opinion now |
| 20:30.41 | ted20 | Poultra: come on #debian-offtopic |
| 20:31.00 | Poultra | ted20 what is better system than debian? |
| 20:31.01 | blu` | Monotoko: you earn your paycheck obviously |
| 20:31.22 | Poultra | ok |
| 20:31.22 | ted20 | Poultra: Probably windows 9x |
| 20:31.36 | Poultra | ted20 you have windows? |
| 20:31.52 | Poultra | i have tested all system |
| 20:32.10 | Poultra | the best is system is windows xp |
| 20:32.12 | ted20 | Why, are you here? #debian-offtopic waits for you |
| 20:32.28 | Poultra | ted20 your answer? best system |
| 20:32.38 | Monotoko | blu`: I still contract for these people a year after I left, they couldn't get anyone else |
| 20:32.48 | ted20 | Poultra: Jesus Cires Corporation (R) |
| 20:32.49 | blu` | Monotoko: I wonder why ;) |
| 20:33.10 | Poultra | ted20 its newest |
| 20:33.30 | blu` | !troll |
| 20:33.30 | dpkg | In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. Rule #1: Don't feed the troll. Rule #2: Really, don't feed the troll. Rule #3: See rule #1. |
| 20:33.32 | Poultra | blu you see ! he dont like your system |
| 20:33.49 | ted20 | Poultra: *doesn't |
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| 20:34.10 | Poultra | dpkg its me? troll |
| 20:34.10 | dpkg | i don't know, Poultra |
| 20:34.20 | Poultra | ok bots |
| 20:35.18 | Poultra | dpkg "..to upset participants" |
| 20:35.18 | dpkg | Poultra: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:35.33 | Poultra | its me |
| 20:35.44 | Poultra | to upset participants ... |
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| 20:36.03 | Poultra | dpkg i love this definitions |
| 20:36.03 | dpkg | Poultra: i haven't a clue |
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| 20:36.17 | jmcnaught | !ops Poultra |
| 20:36.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: Poultra |
| 20:36.24 | Poultra | what mean clue in "francais" |
| 20:36.47 | Poultra | what mean clue in fr. |
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| 20:40.03 | Monotoko | blu`: which kernel comes as standard with 7? |
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| 20:40.58 | Monotoko | il try 3.2 |
| 20:41.12 | V^V | is there a way to set fstab to try only X times/X time to mount a device, otherwise to continue as nofail? |
| 20:41.32 | thingamabob | hi, i can't connect to the Web Disk on a cpanel account, get always the error: not a webdav enabled share, what can be wrong? |
| 20:41.52 | blu` | Monotoko: I don't know... apt-cache policy linux-image-* |
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| 20:42.09 | Monotoko | thingamabob: cpanel is CentOS? |
| 20:42.26 | V^V | sounds more like Solaris |
| 20:42.33 | thingamabob | yes, my client is a debian |
| 20:42.36 | blu` | V^V: I guess to do that you might have to not use fstab and instead use a script |
| 20:42.42 | jelly-home | ted20: avoid useless answers like you wrote above. Other people read this channel and may take some of that seriously. |
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| 20:43.02 | V^V | blu`: mm, not a bad idea |
| 20:43.09 | Monotoko | thingamabob: it sounds more like a cpanel issue than a client issue |
| 20:43.24 | ted20 | jelly-home: okay, man, never mind. |
| 20:43.24 | thingamabob | Monotoko, ok thanks |
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| 20:44.21 | V^V | I still would like to try fstab first if there is an option though |
| 20:44.25 | V^V | cleanr |
| 20:44.38 | blu` | if man fstab doesn't have the answer there probably isn't a way |
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| 20:45.03 | V^V | yeah, I am googleing if cryptab does |
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| 20:57.06 | Monotoko | anyone fancy having a look at this? It's even doing it with the standard kernel: http://i.imgur.com/llzDTM5.png |
| 20:57.31 | Monotoko | I don't even know why it's trying to load those drivers if I'm booting it with KVM (and it's actually booting fine) |
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| 20:57.45 | Monotoko | (after the messages) |
| 20:57.49 | gboutwell | I have been experiening a consisten bug in a package... When I went to report the bug, it checked if I had the latest and I didn't (it was in experimental). Should I get the latest before reporting my bug? If so, how do I get the latest of the 1 package and not include anything else from experimental? |
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| 20:59.33 | gboutwell | Monotoko: was xen-system some how installed? |
| 20:59.36 | Brigo | !tell gboutwell about ssb |
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| 21:00.02 | Brigo | gboutwell, are you in testing or stable? |
| 21:00.47 | Monotoko | gboutwell: gboutwell, perhaps - it was running on xen at one point, and will be running on Hyper-V in the future (I know) |
| 21:00.57 | gboutwell | Brigo: testing (Jessie) |
| 21:01.38 | gboutwell | Monotoko: you could try removing xen and those messages might go away, or perhaps part of something xen related is till installed an still running on boot? |
| 21:01.39 | gboutwell | xend |
| 21:01.43 | gboutwell | or xendomains |
| 21:02.19 | Brigo | gboutwell, if you know what you do, you can add the sid sources and install the package with apt-get install <package> -t sid |
| 21:02.21 | gboutwell | Brigo: TY. I well check backports and look into what I need to try to compile the latest myself... |
| 21:03.30 | Monotoko | gboutwell: it doesn't have xen-system installed - the host will have done when it was there though I imagine |
| 21:03.35 | gboutwell | Brigo: K. I'm fairly familar (a bit rusty) but familiar with debian... Just not a lot of experience 'mixing' versions (avoided becasue of all the horror stories you can read on-line) |
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| 21:03.57 | Brigo | gboutwell, true stories all them :) |
| 21:03.57 | Monotoko | this should have just been a guest system |
| 21:04.17 | ted20 | Okay, well. I've a problem with probably not correct grub config file. Because my os says: "Booting the kernel, enter passphrase for /dev/encrypt-volume" No more. So I need an example grub.cfg with LVM + LUKS. |
| 21:04.20 | gboutwell | Monotoko: Not saying I know the answer, just taking a stab at it. SOMETHING is trying to load the xen stuff. |
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| 21:04.46 | Brigo | gboutwell, but if you add the sid line, and install only that package, there not should be a special problem. |
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| 21:05.08 | Monotoko | gboutwell: it's alright - I just wish I could work out what that something is because it's tripping up under any other platform (Hyper-V, and a newer version of Xen) |
| 21:05.09 | ted20 | jelly-home: do you have any idea? |
| 21:05.39 | gboutwell | Brigo: Might try that. I wasn't looking overly forward to installing a full build (even just build-essentials) environment on this computer. |
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| 21:06.26 | jelly-home | ted20: is that the exact message? Does it come from GRUB or early userspace? |
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| 21:07.25 | Brigo | gboutwell, ah, i just remembered it, for not stable question, please join #debian-next in OFTC irc network |
| 21:07.36 | Monotoko | just thinking about blacklisting them tbh... |
| 21:08.45 | gboutwell | ted20: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-grub/2012-09/msg00021.html perhaps? It seems to have an example cfg for grub with LUKS |
| 21:09.01 | gboutwell | Brigo: will do, didn't mean to clutter the stable channel. |
| 21:09.28 | Brigo | gboutwell, i know :) |
| 21:09.32 | ted20 | gboutwell: okay, i checked it. |
| 21:09.54 | ivanshmakov | … The nice thing about Bug#741561 (Bug#718434) is that the “responsible person” choose to fix the thing that wasn’t broken in the first place… |
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| 21:10.15 | V^V | lol |
| 21:11.47 | gil | hi, I have an issu in my debian jessie. When waking up from suspension I get this error message: "ath: phi0: DMA failed to stop in 10 ms" What can it be? Any ideas? |
| 21:13.31 | blu` | gil: does it still work ok? |
| 21:13.59 | gil | blu`: yes it does. But sometimes, randomly, it doesn't wake up from suspension. |
| 21:14.18 | blu` | gil: that message might or might not be related to the random failures |
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| 21:14.50 | gil | blu`: yes |
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| 21:15.43 | blu` | gil: I guess you'll have to google for the error and research the ath drivers... maybe you can find a newer version of them... little driver errors like that can come and go between versions |
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| 21:17.08 | gil | blu`: I agree. I did some research on google, but didn't find a proper fix. By other hand, I have my atheros firmware update Anyway, it is not to serious |
| 21:17.34 | blu` | gil: could also be something particular to your hardware, really hard to diagnose and fix in that case |
| 21:18.04 | blu` | gil: but I know how you feel, I hate random suspend/resume bugs... you upgrade and suddenly your system doesn't work right anymore...sometimes |
| 21:18.50 | gil | blu`: this only happens with debian. I installed linux mint and it works flawless. So the problem must be in my kernel or something in my xfce, I guess |
| 21:19.14 | blu` | probably a kernel thing... probably a patch somewhere that fixes it... maybe if you install a newer kernel it will fix it |
| 21:19.35 | blu` | or *maybe* you could install and/or build the mint kernel in your Debian system |
| 21:19.38 | ted20 | jelly-home: no, no. I need config from normal machine. |
| 21:19.40 | jelly-home | ivanshmakov: things get broken in unstable and testing all the time |
| 21:20.33 | gil | blu`: I will wait for a new kernel upgrade. I don't like the ideia of using the mint kernel with my debian... I believe it would become unstable. Don't you agree? |
| 21:20.54 | blu` | gil: not necessarily. I certainly wouldn't do it on a server, but on a laptop? sure, why not try it |
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| 21:21.17 | blu` | gil: might be a long time before such a minor bug like that is fixed in a kernel update, if ever... especially if no one knows it needs fixing |
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| 21:21.30 | gil | blu`: well, you have a point there. I will think about it. |
| 21:21.31 | blu` | I mean fixed in an official Debian kernel update |
| 21:21.42 | jelly-home | ted20: "Does it come from GRUB or early userspace?" is not really a yes or no question. My machine is not "normal", I set up luks manually and made sure there was a separate /boot partition |
| 21:21.54 | gil | blu`: I understood. |
| 21:22.04 | blu` | gil: if you could manage to find out what kernel patch fixes the bug, you could report a debian bug and that would make it easy to patch in an official Debian kernel :) |
| 21:22.29 | jelly-home | ted20: thus, the generated grub.cfg looks pretty much the same as anywhere else |
| 21:22.30 | blu` | gil: but I suppose that would require a lot of digging through Mint's kernel changelogs |
| 21:22.54 | gil | blu`: I don't have de knowledge to dig into the kernel that way :-) |
| 21:23.24 | blu` | gil: who does? haha alternatively, maybe you could just update the ath driver and install it as a module... but that's not simple to do either |
| 21:23.38 | ted20 | jelly-home: so, you have only root=/dev/mapper/volume-group in the config? |
| 21:24.21 | jelly-home | ted20: correct. |
| 21:24.45 | jelly-home | linux /vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae root=/dev/mapper/vg-root ro resume=/dev/disk/by-uuid/2b0d4690-ac05-4826-965e-7caf75525db1 |
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| 21:25.07 | gil | blu`: For now, I will avoid suspension, and will wait to see if the problem is fixed when a new kernel will be released, maybe when Jessie becomes stable the new unstable version will solve my problem. |
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| 21:27.29 | Monotoko | if I cancel a gzip |
| 21:27.34 | Monotoko | will it corrupt the file? |
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| 21:27.55 | blu` | gil: good luck :) |
| 21:28.30 | blu` | Monotoko: unzipping or zipping? |
| 21:28.59 | gil | blu`: thank you very much for your attention. |
| 21:29.13 | Monotoko | blu`: zipping |
| 21:29.43 | blu` | gil: you're welcome. that's why I put Ubuntu on my laptop a long time ago, but Debian's probably a lot better about stuff like that since then, and I will probably switch back |
| 21:29.49 | blu` | Monotoko: well sure the file will be incomplete |
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| 21:30.58 | gil | blu`: I have tried several distros along the way, but always keep comming back to debian testing. What can we do ;-) |
| 21:31.07 | blu` | gil: I hear ya ;) |
| 21:31.18 | blu` | gil: I haven't looked at Tanglu in a long time... |
| 21:31.33 | gil | what is Tanglu? |
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| 21:31.59 | blu` | gil: supposed to be like Ubuntu but more Debiany :) check out the web site... I've no idea the project's status lately |
| 21:32.27 | blu` | or maybe I should say like Debian but more Ubuntuy with regard to things Just Working |
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| 21:33.29 | gil | blu`: I will. Thanks for the tip. But it won't be easy for me to leave pure debian. I really like Debian... even when things don't woks so well.... |
| 21:33.45 | gil | work* |
| 21:33.58 | blu` | gil: me too my friend :) |
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| 21:34.26 | blu` | gil: when I first switched to Linux from Windows I tried Gentoo... but I literally fell asleep while X was building... when I woke up I installed Debian and never looked back :) |
| 21:35.55 | yokisho | my first distro was Slackware XD |
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| 21:36.06 | gil | blu`: When I switched from windows I tried ubuntu. Like almost everybody. Then came unity and moved on to debian. After that to mint, because of debian bad font rendering. But whe I found a way to install infinality in debian, always debian.... |
| 21:36.30 | blu` | gil: infinality? another thing I will have to look up :) |
| 21:36.50 | gil | blu`: It makes all the difference, believe me. Is is another os whe we use infinality |
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| 21:37.01 | argoneus | Hello |
| 21:37.03 | argoneus | I had to forcefully disconnect from a machine when I was SSH'd in |
| 21:37.06 | argoneus | and now when I use 'who', the session is still there |
| 21:37.08 | argoneus | what can I do about it? |
| 21:37.22 | blu` | gil: oh is that the patchset that enables the "patented" hinting? |
| 21:38.01 | blu` | argoneus: can you kill the user's processes? |
| 21:38.07 | gil | blu`: I don't know if it is that patchset you're talking about, but it does what you say. Imagine your debian with ubuntu or mint fonts... |
| 21:38.13 | Brigo | argoneus, kill it if you want |
| 21:38.19 | argoneus | well I can login as root and kill it |
| 21:38.22 | argoneus | but i'm not sure how |
| 21:38.39 | Brigo | pgrep -l sshd |
| 21:39.00 | Brigo | and then kill process number |
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| 21:39.18 | gil | blu`: the only con is that you have to install a ppa, but if you consider the great font improvement.... it is worthy. Do you want a link with the instructions for debian jessie? |
| 21:39.25 | argoneus | oki, thanks |
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| 21:39.37 | blu` | Brigo: will that kill all of sshd or is sshd run for every session? I can't remember |
| 21:40.06 | blu` | gil: I actually don't have a jessie system handy, but thanks for the pointer, I am going to look into it :) |
| 21:40.18 | Brigo | only the process with that number. To kill all them uses kiall and the name of the processes |
| 21:40.47 | jelly-home | Brigo: or better, pkill instead of killall |
| 21:40.48 | blu` | Brigo: so he might need to look at the full command line to know which sshd to kill, right? |
| 21:41.16 | gil | Ok, if you install debian do it. It is a must have. I have to leava now. Nice talking to you. |
| 21:41.24 | gil | *leave |
| 21:41.27 | blu` | gil: bye :) |
| 21:41.51 | Brigo | jelly-home, yes |
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| 21:49.54 | V^V | ehh... some other way to get an UUID for an ntfs asside from blkid? for some reason it isn't working |
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| 21:50.28 | Otyugh | a wheezy installation isn't supposed to use systemd ? |
| 21:51.31 | petern_ | Why not? |
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| 21:51.58 | Otyugh | sysv seem to replace it |
| 21:52.17 | Otyugh | and if I upgrade, it asks me to go back to sysv |
| 21:52.25 | petern_ | You can install systemd-sysv but some things will want sysv back. |
| 21:52.40 | petern_ | But you can override init in grub anyway. |
| 21:52.41 | busch | Whats the best alternative to SELinux on debian that doesnt rely on special kernel options (cause special options are not available for my virtualisation system)? |
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| 21:53.01 | jelly-home | busch: which virtualisation system is that? |
| 21:53.04 | V^V | apparmor? |
| 21:53.18 | Otyugh | x) |
| 21:53.30 | Otyugh | every app can work with sys though ? |
| 21:53.41 | Otyugh | some want to make their service stuff. |
| 21:53.58 | busch | jelly-home: Virtuozzo |
| 21:54.02 | V^V | busch: maybe this https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor |
| 21:54.25 | jelly-home | busch: don't they provide their own kernels? |
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| 21:55.06 | busch | jelly-home: I dont know |
| 21:56.57 | busch | V^V: For AppArmor, reconfiguriung grub is required which isnt possible using Virtuozzo |
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| 21:57.45 | petern_ | Reconfiguring grub is only needed when grub is in use. |
| 21:58.02 | Frozenlock | I have a machine hanging on the *second* reboot. o_O |
| 21:58.04 | petern_ | Otherwise, you use whatever mechanism is provided to specify the kernel command line. |
| 21:58.08 | Frozenlock | Any hints on what I should be looking for? |
| 21:58.39 | Frozenlock | (after the second reboot I have to manually cut power) |
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| 22:03.49 | Otyugh | well |
| 22:03.57 | Otyugh | systemd fails me there |
| 22:04.28 | Otyugh | why do I get "Failed to issue method call: No such file or directory" when I want to "disable" or "enable" a service ? |
| 22:04.36 | babilen | Otyugh: The systemd version is wheezy is really not one I would recommend to use |
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| 22:05.04 | Otyugh | babilen: thats a known issue, then ? |
| 22:05.37 | babilen | Otyugh: It is not a bug per-se, but I'd say that it is a well known fact within the systemd and Debian community |
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| 22:06.20 | babilen | Otyugh: systemd was essentially a "feature preview" in wheezy and I wouldn't have released with it |
| 22:06.37 | Otyugh | ok. I'll try to understand better sysv, so... x) |
| 22:06.50 | babilen | You'll get systemd in jessie :D |
| 22:07.27 | Otyugh | well |
| 22:07.59 | Otyugh | I'm on a debian on a arm structure. I think it's kinda tricky to update the whole thing on such architecture. In fact I don't know x) |
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| 22:11.46 | Otyugh | I don't understand |
| 22:11.53 | Otyugh | even with systemctl removed |
| 22:11.58 | Otyugh | I still get thoses |
| 22:12.04 | Otyugh | [ ok ] Starting tor (via systemctl): tor.service. |
| 22:12.06 | Otyugh | for instance |
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| 22:12.34 | Otyugh | systemctl is part of systemd, right ? |
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| 22:12.41 | Wally | justanotheruser pls |
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| 22:21.35 | rawfodog | Im trying to install crypt keeper in wheezy but I get this error. "Cryptkeeper cannot access fuse and so cannot start.Check that fuse is installed and that you are a member of the fuse group." |
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| 22:22.03 | rawfodog | I added my user to the fuse group but it still isnt working. Im looking for a replacement for truecrypt and am having a heck of a time finding something easy to use |
| 22:23.31 | Brigo | rawburt, did you logout and login after adding you to the group? |
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| 22:30.19 | D-Boy | blu` : I managed to get backups from that failling hard disk, so now I have 120GB of datas (mostly .tar.lzo files) how to check if those files are not corrupted without extract them ? |
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| 22:31.56 | rawfodog | Brigo, I didnt ! I will try now |
| 22:32.09 | Brigo | D-Boy, i think szo compreser has a test parameter |
| 22:32.36 | D-Boy | Brigo: szo ? how to get it ? |
| 22:33.00 | somiaj | D-Boy: if you didn't get any I/O errors when copying them off the drive you are probabaly okay, but to check if they are not corrupted I think you'll have to manually test them or if you had md5sums of the files from before the failure. (: |
| 22:33.43 | D-Boy | somiaj: sadly no md5sums, but no problems when I scp them from the faulty server to another one |
| 22:34.29 | somiaj | scp might not report I/O errors to the shell, maybe check the logs to see if you had lots of io errors. Though maybe it does, my experience is cp usually fails with an io error on any files that I coudln't get off a failing hd |
| 22:34.31 | D-Boy | somiaj: it's a proxmox server, so i can get into /dev/pve/data but not into /dev/pve/root, so i'm guessing the damage is on that partition |
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| 22:35.06 | somiaj | but look at the manpage of lzop, seems there is a -t parameter you coudl run that on all teh files |
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| 22:36.30 | D-Boy | somiaj: right, have to figure out how to make it test all those files without me putting the commande for every file ^^' |
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| 22:38.42 | rawfodog | Brigo, it worked ! Thanks a lot ! |
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| 22:39.01 | Brigo | rawburt, yw :) |
| 22:39.12 | jeldrik | is away (Bye Bye...) |
| 22:39.17 | somiaj | D-Boy: use find or a simple shell for loop |
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| 22:39.40 | somiaj | D-Boy: for i in *lzo; do lzop -t $i; done |
| 22:40.32 | Radon_3 | hi folks, what download manage would you recommend in debian wheezy 7.5? I have uget and flareget, but I kind of need something that would use many streams for a file, and ultimately give higher download speeds than those |
| 22:40.35 | somiaj | if they aren't all in the same directory a for a simple loop like that (or a few directories) find can be used to find all files in subdirectires. You may also want to pipe all the output to a text file so you have a log of teh results. |
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| 22:41.11 | Radon_3 | If you know a command version that would do them job, I would go for it too |
| 22:41.13 | D-Boy | somiaj: perfect ! Let's try all that :) |
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| 22:43.15 | lmat | I'm trying to install pepperflash player, and having great difficulty :( |
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| 22:43.53 | lmat | so, I have main, contrib, and non-free listen in my sources.list |
| 22:44.09 | lmat | I've apt-get update d, and I've apt-cache search 'pepper' and nothing comes back. |
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| 22:44.57 | Radon_3 | sorry folks for the take off... |
| 22:45.04 | Radon_3 | sorry folks for the take off... |
| 22:45.08 | Radon_3 | so any suggestions? |
| 22:46.13 | cuqa | there is no official pepper-flash package for debian |
| 22:46.22 | cuqa | but like 1 million results in google on how to install |
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| 22:48.26 | somiaj | there is a contrib package in wheezy-backports that will do it automatically and extract it from google-crhome |
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| 22:48.49 | somiaj | lmat: so you will have to add wheezy-backports to your sources.list |
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| 22:49.16 | lmat | somiaj: I did, and it has an error on apt-get update. |
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| 22:49.25 | somiaj | then you didn't add correct sources.list |
| 22:49.34 | lmat | somiaj: That was my guess. Here's my list |
| 22:49.37 | somiaj | you can paste the error at paste.debian.net or a copy of your sources.list |
| 22:49.49 | lmat | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free wheezy-backports |
| 22:49.56 | lmat | That's my line. |
| 22:50.14 | somiaj | no wheezy-backports is a full repo (not a section like main contrib) |
| 22:50.27 | somiaj | !wheezy-backports sources.list |
| 22:50.31 | lmat | somiaj: okay. What server? |
| 22:51.01 | lmat | somiaj: Can I just make a new line like the one I pasted, but with only wheezy-backports ? (I'm guessing not ^_^) |
| 22:51.04 | somiaj | !wheezy-backports |
| 22:51.05 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the "Jessie" (8.0) release of Debian but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 22:51.21 | lmat | thanks |
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| 22:52.16 | lmat | E: Malformed line 20 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) |
| 22:52.36 | lmat | I added the line suggested (and removed "main" ... oh yeah, I need to specify a distribution, right ? |
| 22:53.19 | lmat | oh, no, that should be fine. Anyway, I removed main, and I removed "wheezy-backports" from my old line. |
| 22:53.29 | lmat | (http.debian.org, really?) |
| 22:53.35 | lmat | (er... .net) |
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| 22:57.07 | lmat | hey, it worked finally ^_^ I'm not sure what I did differently. |
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| 22:58.56 | toli_ | guys tried to change the console resolution to 1280x1024 in grub, it works, but only with grub menu, and then it turns again in 640x480, how can I fix this? |
| 22:59.17 | lmat | okay, looks like it's in contrib rather than non-free. Whatever ^_^ |
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| 22:59.41 | lmat | toli_: Back in Grub (not grub2), the option was Keep_GRUB_FX ? or something |
| 22:59.54 | lmat | toli_: In short, there's an option to keep the resolution when grub hands off to linux |
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| 23:00.23 | lmat | toli_: Alternatively, you can select it by sending an option to the kernel saying VGA= then a VGA mode. If you enter a bogus mode, it'll prompt you with the possible modes for your video card ... or something ^_^ |
| 23:00.32 | lmat | okay, I took, and I gave back, I'm clear, right :-P |
| 23:00.34 | toli_ | lmat, I used GRUB_FXMODE=xxxx |
| 23:00.51 | lmat | toli_: yeah, but there's another option with "KEEP" in it "GRUB_KEEP_??" |
| 23:00.57 | toli_ | lmat, and then GRUB_GFXPLAYLOAD_LINUX=keep |
| 23:01.57 | toli_ | lmat, and it does not work |
| 23:02.06 | lmat | toli_: Yeah, that's what I had in mind. |
| 23:02.18 | lmat | By the way, today is the first day I've ever IRCed from home. I just got internet access 2 hours ago. |
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| 23:04.24 | lmat | toli_: Are you using a virtual machine? |
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| 23:04.31 | lmat | I think Debian usually takes care of this for you...let me take a look |
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| 23:04.47 | toli_ | lmat, yes, I use virtualbox |
| 23:05.07 | lmat | toli_: Yeah, I've gone through the same thing. You're using Debian? |
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| 23:05.21 | lmat | toli_: Somehow, when working on a normal system, Debian senses the resolution and sets it appropriately. |
| 23:05.49 | toli_ | lmat, I use Windows as main, and wheezy console in VM |
| 23:05.53 | lmat | Gotta go play "memory" with the family! AFK |
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| 23:14.27 | Wonka | current d-i (both testing and unstable) boots Linux 3.13-1; on all the mirrors there's no module udebs for that anymore... |
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| 23:16.09 | hikenboot | hi! I am using debian 7.5 in a virtual machine (VMware workstation ) I have installed the tools...I am having an issue similar to the one that i have had to the last 3 versions of debian, with a twist... the issue is that I put my password in for a user (its the correct one) and hit enter to log in..instead of loggin in from gdm to desktop it looks like its logging in and then promptly puts me back to the gdm login |
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| 23:34.48 | petn-randall | hikenboot: Could be that the X server crashes and restarts. Can you check /var/log/kern.log and Xorg.0.log for errors? |
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| 23:44.54 | hikenboot | I will do that once I have exported it as an odf and into vbox...its been acting peculiar for other reasons so I am eliminating vmware workstation as a contributor..thanks for the suggestion ...I will do that...in the past I have had an issue where it wont accept correct passwords but never login and immediate log out...ubuntu has that issue as well |
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