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| 00:00.52 | dimitry7 | hey guys, a few days ago my backups failed. I found that my ssh, scp, rsync, etc didn't have the executable bit set. I set it with chmod and eveything worked fine: Today, another issue came up. We could not connect from it to a remote server |
| 00:00.56 | dimitry7 | and the message was this: read_passphrase: can't open /dev/tty: Permission denied |
| 00:00.59 | dimitry7 | * found |
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| 00:01.13 | dimitry7 | and I cound it had 600 permissions, i put 666 and it worked... what do you think is happening? why is my debian changing permissions like this? |
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| 00:03.54 | kevr | which package on debian includes the fcgiwrap headers for c? |
| 00:05.54 | supergl | kevr: as far as I know "libfcgi-dev" |
| 00:06.06 | kevr | supergl: indeed. thank you |
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| 00:16.06 | Tau | hello buddies. i have been using GET in bash to fetch some html contents. how could i specify a proxy on command line for it? proxy and port? i tried GET address -p ip:port |
| 00:16.08 | Tau | but it fails. |
| 00:16.18 | Tau | does someone know which is the correct syntax? |
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| 00:24.29 | supergl | Tau: I think you need to add "http://" before the proxy ip as well. Have you tried that? |
| 00:26.20 | supergl | So, if your proxy is 0.0.0.0 with port 10, the command would be "GET address -p http://0.0.0.0:10" |
| 00:28.22 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.30 | Tau | it seems to fail though. |
| 00:28.44 | supergl | Error message? |
| 00:28.47 | Tau | no error |
| 00:28.50 | Tau | it just hangs out. |
| 00:28.52 | Tau | thats odd. |
| 00:28.53 | Tau | though |
| 00:28.55 | Tau | hold on |
| 00:29.08 | supergl | Then, the proxy server is probably irresponsive |
| 00:29.26 | supergl | it worked when I tried it with a random proxy server I've found on the internet |
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| 00:31.36 | phy1729 | links always show a mode of 777 in ls -l right? |
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| 00:34.56 | supergl | phy1729: why dont you just try to change the mode of a link and see what happens |
| 00:35.34 | supergl | (spoiler: yes, they will always stay at mode 777) |
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| 00:36.40 | Tau | its okay |
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| 00:36.49 | phy1729 | supergl: I did before asking just wanted to be sure |
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| 00:37.37 | supergl | phy1729: Ok, afaik, they always have the mode 777, but there might be some weird exceptions i dont know of |
| 00:38.13 | phy1729 | so only owner and group matter? |
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| 00:40.13 | emacer | does anyone know if the data tarball in a Debian package file can be a bzip2 file? Does it have to be a gzip or .xz file? |
| 00:41.11 | supergl | phy1729: probably, yes |
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| 00:42.41 | emacer | nevermind, found a package that has a bzip2 |
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| 00:49.23 | Fateisace | Is there a channel I can ask questions about buying a laptop? |
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| 00:49.47 | mhoney | how can I tell if 2d acceleration is enabled in X? |
| 00:50.16 | thingamabob | Fateisace, maybe in #hardware or #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:10.31 | LaunchDirector | so is there a way to enable the bell in screen? |
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| 01:11.12 | LaunchDirector | or whatever is needed to enable to flash putty in taskbar if bell goes off on the vps |
| 01:11.33 | LaunchDirector | like on irc if someone hilights |
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| 01:14.47 | Artemis3 | like terminology :) |
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| 01:19.10 | LaunchDirector | like that helps a lot, you either understand what i was trying to say or you are just being a smartass |
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| 01:34.41 | phy1729 | what should /usr/local be owned by? root:staff or root:root ? |
| 01:35.30 | dvs | root:staff from what I see |
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| 01:36.04 | phy1729 | thanks |
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| 02:11.33 | Gear | hi, i moved a primarry partition with debian on it into an extendedpartition and it's called sda6 now |
| 02:11.41 | Gear | instead of sda3 |
| 02:11.59 | Gear | will this boot or do i have to hange grub now? |
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| 02:13.48 | dvs | Gear: change grub now |
| 02:14.01 | Gear | how and change it to what |
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| 02:16.26 | Gear | how do ichange grub and what do i change in it |
| 02:17.46 | Gear | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.02 | jradd | did you move your boot partition too ? or just the root partition? |
| 02:20.12 | jradd | or where they on a single partition |
| 02:21.02 | supergl | Gear: you can change the grub-config by editing the file /etc/default/grub (though you should make a backup first) |
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| 02:28.11 | jradd | also: `install-grub /dev/$BOOT` is how I would do it |
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| 02:31.31 | priuon | am I right in debian with hardware related issues for my debian based linux distribution? (either linuxmint or xubuntu) |
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| 02:34.21 | priuon | anyways my installation does not show/find the integrated touchpad that is built into my notebook. If possible I would like to have it useable. |
| 02:34.27 | jpinx | priuon: this channel only supports debian - not debian-based systems. See the relevant support for your distro |
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| 02:35.41 | priuon | debian derived systems don't get support in here, i understand. |
| 02:36.04 | jpinx | !tell priuon about based on debian |
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| 02:38.56 | priuon | thank you. |
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| 02:53.50 | gsdfgdfg | I have been using Ubuntu since Gutsy Gibbons came out. Now I want to use Debian. I read that the first 2 cds will probably be enough. |
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| 02:54.41 | gsdfgdfg | I am wanting to know, do I make 2 usb sticks of debian cd1 and cd2?, or? |
| 02:55.31 | gsdfgdfg | I have a program called Startup Disck Creator I have used before to put Ubuntu onto to install from with success. |
| 02:55.35 | dvs | gsdfgdfg: not if you have a working Internet connection |
| 02:55.52 | peterS | gsdfgdfg: most people just pull down a netinst image (~ 200 MB), write that to either a CD or a USB stick, boot it, then let the installer download whatever else it needs |
| 02:56.04 | dvs | gsdfgdfg: if you still have Ubuntu running you can use it to create a bootable Debian USB stick |
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| 02:56.45 | peterS | anyway no need for 'startup disk creator' or whatever, just 'cp /tmp/foo.iso /dev/sdc' where sdc represents your USB disk. (see 'cat /proc/partitions' to get an idea which device it is) |
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| 02:58.01 | gsdfgdfg | sdb, ok so 'cp /tmp/foo.iso /dev/sdb' |
| 02:58.14 | peterS | also, tonight in my city the wind is blowing so hard, I could just as well call it Gusty Gibbon |
| 02:58.35 | dvs | If your flash drive is sdb then yes. |
| 02:58.55 | gsdfgdfg | Harr harr harr, lol |
| 02:58.59 | rawburt | no |
| 02:59.01 | peterS | yeah and /tmp/foo.iso is the file you download. if you use a web browser to download it it probably actually lives in ~/Download |
| 02:59.01 | rawburt | dd |
| 02:59.04 | peterS | rawburt: why? |
| 02:59.11 | peterS | rawburt: cp is so much simpler |
| 02:59.11 | gsdfgdfg | ah ah, ok |
| 02:59.33 | rawburt | is that a good reason to do something differently? |
| 03:00.01 | peterS | rawburt: I'd say using dd as a complicated form of cp is the thing you need to justify. Is there a reason not to just copy the image using a command named copy? |
| 03:00.15 | gsdfgdfg | Well, I have two files I downloaded through torrent |
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| 03:00.35 | gsdfgdfg | debian-7.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso and number two of |
| 03:00.37 | rawburt | peterS: interesting opinion |
| 03:00.48 | dvs | gsdfgdfg: you dont need #2 |
| 03:01.18 | peterS | rawburt: seriously though. 'cp x y' is so much easier than 'dd if=x of=y', and they do the same thing. why would you use the more complicated command? |
| 03:01.43 | jpinx | peterS: dd and cp are not the same |
| 03:01.49 | rawburt | by doing the same thing, do you mean they're symlinks to each other? |
| 03:01.53 | peterS | jpinx: I didn't say that. i said cp x y and dd if=x of=y are the same thing |
| 03:01.57 | peterS | jpinx: except that cp is more efficient |
| 03:02.08 | epsas | peterS - not true |
| 03:02.09 | peterS | rawburt: no, I mean 'cp x y' will do the same thing as 'dd if=x of=y' |
| 03:02.12 | jpinx | rawburt: dd the image to your usb |
| 03:02.18 | peterS | epsas: how are they different? other than cp being more efficient? |
| 03:02.32 | peterS | jpinx: why? what is the advantage of dd? |
| 03:02.35 | jpinx | rawburt: peterS is giving you bad advice on cp |
| 03:02.45 | themill | jpinx: umm.... no, peterS is right |
| 03:02.52 | jpinx | peterS: man dd, man cp |
| 03:02.53 | rawburt | jpinx: enlightening, thank you |
| 03:02.56 | peterS | jpinx: if you can't name an actual advantage of dd, then ... my advice isn't bad |
| 03:02.59 | peterS | jpinx: I know how to read a manpage |
| 03:03.00 | epsas | ummm |
| 03:03.08 | epsas | you can't copy to a block device with cp |
| 03:03.11 | jpinx | themill: ? |
| 03:03.14 | themill | epsas: yes you can |
| 03:03.18 | peterS | epsas: you haven't tried it, have you? |
| 03:03.20 | themill | jpinx: please check the release notes for wheezy |
| 03:03.20 | epsas | orly? |
| 03:03.34 | peterS | epsas: until you try it and it fails, don't tell me it fails, because I do it all the time |
| 03:04.00 | rawburt | jpinx: so close, I was almost going to take whatever drivel came from peterS. close one. |
| 03:04.11 | peterS | rawburt: you haven't tried it either, have you? |
| 03:04.14 | themill | rawburt: peterS is correct.... |
| 03:04.28 | rawburt | themill: well it's on the Internet now |
| 03:04.38 | rawburt | so it must be |
| 03:04.40 | epsas | yes - you are right. it's a feature of gnu cp |
| 03:04.52 | peterS | now I may not be correct about dd being less efficient. I mean, it is, but the actual difference is probably not really noticeable |
| 03:05.09 | peterS | it's also a feature of all Unix versions of cp I've ever seen |
| 03:05.20 | themill | we ditched recommending dd's arcane syntax and instead recommended cp's much more natural syntax about 4 years ago |
| 03:05.28 | peterS | well, I mean, all the ones I've tried, which isn't that many. but it is not a GNU-ism |
| 03:06.23 | rawburt | themill: didn't get your memo |
| 03:06.34 | themill | rawburt: try reading the release notes |
| 03:06.42 | jpinx | themill: too much reading -- really :/ |
| 03:06.50 | gsdfgdfg | What's up with the update torrents?, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 03:07.04 | themill | dpkg: tell gsdfgdfg about update iso |
| 03:07.16 | peterS | read the release notes or don't read them, but don't claim that 'cp x y' and 'dd if=x of=y' are materially different, unless you can actually name a difference |
| 03:07.18 | jpinx | themill: and no search facility for them |
| 03:07.45 | rawburt | this is called a citation, instead of smoke out of my ass: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller |
| 03:07.50 | jpinx | peterS: I stand corrected - and out-of-date ;) |
| 03:07.52 | rawburt | themill: check. |
| 03:07.54 | epsas | Does anyone have reccomendations for hidpi desktop environments in debian? |
| 03:07.55 | themill | jpinx: your browser can search. Google can search. There's a good table of contents. Stop trying to justify being wrong |
| 03:07.57 | dvs | gsdfgdfg: works for me. |
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| 03:08.12 | themill | rawburt: let me fix that for you then |
| 03:08.13 | epsas | I am stuck with XFCE until I can figure out how to get Gnome3.10+ installed |
| 03:08.25 | rawburt | themill: fix what for me? |
| 03:08.29 | epsas | and XFCE hidpi support is still not 'right' |
| 03:08.33 | peterS | rawburt: so I guess I'll take that as as "no, I have no idea how dd is different, I just always assumed you needed to use it in certain situations and I refuse to believe differently", then |
| 03:08.37 | themill | rawburt: your crappy citation on an out of date page |
| 03:08.47 | rawburt | peterS: you asked me that question? |
| 03:09.04 | peterS | rawburt: I ask that question of anybody who will claim that cp doesn't work in the case we're talking about |
| 03:09.09 | rawburt | themill: what defines out of date? |
| 03:09.25 | peterS | rawburt: it's very simple. tell me how the two behave differently, in a way that affects what the user actually wants to do, which is to copy a file |
| 03:09.46 | skribblezatcha | i'm using Xfce 4.10.2..and waiting for 4.12 when it drops. |
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| 03:10.12 | peterS | the only behavioral difference I know of is that dd reads and writes smaller chunks of data by default, so it is (a tiny bit) less efficient. Not different enough to notice, I suspect. |
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| 03:10.23 | rawburt | peterS: so now you are asking me that question. seems you neglected mine, BTW |
| 03:10.59 | peterS | rawburt: sorry, guess I missed your question. my assertion is that the two commands do exactly the same thing, and I challenge anybody to come up with a way that that is not true. |
| 03:11.00 | epsas | skribblezatcha - are you on a retina display by chance? |
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| 03:11.13 | skribblezatcha | no epsas, sorry. |
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| 03:11.29 | themill | rawburt: the fact that information hasn't been updated makes it out of date. Please stop this meaningless argument... |
| 03:11.43 | rawburt | peterS: so you acknowledge you may have missed a question, and move on to further ignore and continue with your bullshit? how would you like to be on this side of the conversation? |
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| 03:12.03 | themill | rawburt: your S/N hit zero. Please move on |
| 03:12.04 | jpinx | rawburt: he's right - check the last updatedate on the bottom of the page you referenced |
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| 03:12.51 | anton02 | what should i do? zpool: ../../lib/libzfs/libzfs_import.c:356: Assertion `nvlist_lookup_uint64(zhp->zpool_config, ZPOOL_CONFIG_POOL_GUID, &theguid) == 0' failed. |
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| 03:13.14 | jpinx | themill: the release notes do not appear to be available as a single html page, so searching is a pita |
| 03:13.23 | themill | ... |
| 03:13.39 | peterS | I CAN HAZ GOOGLEZ? |
| 03:14.00 | justanotheruser | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.52 | gsdfgdfg | It looks like my wifi Ralink RT2561 RT61 chipset card is supported. |
| 03:15.40 | gsdfgdfg | GOOGLY EYES WIDE OPEN |
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| 03:16.27 | themill | justanotheruser: you'd probably need to install the relevant network-manager-* packages for that type of vpn |
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| 03:17.45 | justanotheruser | themill: network-manager-openvpn is already the newest version. |
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| 03:18.09 | themill | justanotheruser: and network-manager-openvpn-gnome? |
| 03:18.21 | justanotheruser | themill: o |
| 03:18.24 | gsdfgdfg | I got lost as to the methods you both suggested. I know I should just go back and read. I would not bother me to try both and see if both ways work really. |
| 03:19.51 | themill | gsdfgdfg: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 03:20.35 | gsdfgdfg | pull down a netinst image (~ 200 MB?, was this that I downloaded right then?: debian-7.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 03:21.30 | themill | the difference is just when you download the packages -- before copying the installer to the usb image or at install time |
| 03:22.22 | peterS | epsas: btw... the ability to read or write a block device is not specifically a feature of cp, it is a feature of Unix-like kernels. This is part of the concept usually stated "everything is a file". Reading and writing a device file is not fundamentally different from reading and writing a regular file. so 'cp x y' and 'cat x > y' and 'cat < x > y' and even dd fundmentally all do the same thing, because it's really the kernel that lets you treat ... |
| 03:22.22 | peterS | ... devices as files. |
| 03:22.22 | peterS | the main difference between all those is what happens if a file doesn't already exist. it has to be created. and not all tools will necessarily create them in quite the same way. but in the case of a files (or devices) that already exist, that difference doesn't matter. |
| 03:23.07 | peterS | gsdfgdfg: what you got was the regular CD #1, which is probably closer to 650 MB. But that's fine, that will work just as well |
| 03:23.18 | peterS | I mean, assuming the media you want to put it on is at least that size |
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| 03:25.45 | jpinx | peterS: fwiw I was told many times - admittedly some years ago - the I must use dd to create a bootable USB installer |
| 03:26.19 | peterS | jpinx: that is a really really common belief and I have no idea why. I mean, who started it. it's always been false, or at least, if not _always_, at least for the past 15 years or more. |
| 03:26.33 | peterS | (basically, as long as USB has been around (: ) |
| 03:27.00 | jpinx | also - fwiw - google os not foss and I really wonder at the prelavence of telling people to use it for debian |
| 03:27.12 | peterS | I'm not saying dd is useless. it has a lot of nifty options. But none of those options have anything to do with reading or writing device files specifically |
| 03:28.00 | jpinx | peterS: so a pre-formatted usb - usually fat - will accept a cp'd installer.iso and boot successfully ? |
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| 03:28.14 | themill | jpinx: the process of copying nukes the filesystem |
| 03:28.23 | peterS | jpinx: what you're doing is copying to the raw device. you're replacing whatever is there - the filesystem, even the partition table and boot loader |
| 03:28.42 | peterS | you're writing an image that includes its own boot block and its own partition table |
| 03:28.53 | jpinx | ok -- that was always told to be incorrect before - dd was essential |
| 03:29.05 | peterS | as a result, the partition table will not match the size of the actual device. but it will work, as long as the device is bigger than the image, not smaller |
| 03:29.14 | themill | (debian's own instructions for making usb install sticks have *never* said to use dd) |
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| 03:29.46 | jpinx | themill the wiki has several refernces to using dd for this |
| 03:30.10 | peterS | the more interesting observation here, I think, is the fact that you can use a single image as both a bootable ISO-9660 image (for a CD) and a disk image with boot block and partition table |
| 03:30.17 | themill | jpinx: then please fix them (and the wiki is not debian's documentation for this) |
| 03:30.20 | gsdfgdfg | OK, so how is cd 2 used even though I don't need it? |
| 03:30.31 | peterS | it may not be obvious, but those are two completely different formats and are treated very differently by the PC BIOS trying to boot them |
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| 03:30.44 | peterS | so the fact that a single image can be in both formats at once is a clever bit of engineering |
| 03:31.34 | themill | and that's the bit that unetbootin breaks |
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| 03:36.21 | jidm | hello, im using the Testing branch, and just safe-upgraded my packages. Now im having an issue with wireless connection using nm-applet. Failed to add/activate connection (32) No session found for uid 1000 (unknown) |
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| 03:43.36 | verve | is there some way to differentiate, on the command line, in runlevel 5, if a user is logging in via gdm, or if they ctrl-alt-f1 from the gui and login there? eg: run a script in /etc/profile for the latter, but not the former |
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| 03:51.32 | gsdfgdfg | How is doing cp debian-7.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso /dev/sdb any different then just simply copying the iso file manually?, with Startup Disk Creator it looks like this: |
| 03:51.34 | gsdfgdfg | http://imagebin.ca/v/1QBxu4dB9kr3 |
| 03:53.49 | peterS | what? what do you mean, "copying the iso file manually"? I would say "copying manually" is a very _definition_ of what the cp command does |
| 03:54.06 | gsdfgdfg | Really, I didn't know |
| 03:55.00 | peterS | so if your question is "how is the cp command different from just copying a file", well, cp _is_ just copying a file |
| 03:55.41 | gsdfgdfg | I am lost |
| 03:56.02 | gsdfgdfg | Didn't you just say something different |
| 03:56.08 | jpinx | Startup Disk Creator appears to be an ubuntu thing -- not debian ;) |
| 03:56.15 | gsdfgdfg | I sorry I misread |
| 03:56.32 | peterS | don't ask me what I just said. I just said several things, I don't know which one you mean, and anyway you can read them in your IRC buffer |
| 03:56.55 | gsdfgdfg | No I am sorry I didn't read it right, lol |
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| 03:59.18 | gsdfgdfg | I stuck with Ubuntu 10.04 which is why I need to find an alternative just in case Ubuntu 10.04 for what ever reason stops working for me. For now it is the best OS I have ever used. |
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| 03:59.43 | gsdfgdfg | I use older hardware |
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| 04:00.59 | zykotick9 | verve: try "w" |
| 04:01.18 | gsdfgdfg | TY Thank You for the help, and sorry for the trouble. |
| 04:02.16 | mooglenorph | gsdfgdfg: By "manual copy of the iso," do you mean using dd? |
| 04:02.25 | gsdfgdfg | No |
| 04:02.27 | verve | zykotick9: yeah, only the ctrl-alt-f1 login shows up in there; already tried that |
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| 04:03.09 | zykotick9 | verve: sorry, i don't run a dm, so wasn't sure. |
| 04:03.14 | gsdfgdfg | I meant literally opening the usb with the mouse instead of using terminal commands |
| 04:03.35 | jpinx | gsdfgdfg: I use a 6 year old eeepc with stable+bakports -- no major issues |
| 04:03.54 | peterS | gsdfgdfg: ahh. I have no idea. it would depend on how the mouse actions are interpreted. I don't use ubuntu and I don't use the software that was in ubuntu 10.04, so it's hard to say exactly what that does |
| 04:04.44 | verve | zykotick9: which is puzzling to me, because i understand if you ran 'startx' from a logged-in session; wouldn't show up |
| 04:04.45 | peterS | gsdfgdfg: I don't know how you would overwrite a whole raw block device by dragging and dropping things. most GUIs don't make things like "/dev/sdb" easily available for such things |
| 04:04.52 | verve | but you're logging in via gdm, on tty7 |
| 04:04.53 | mooglenorph | gsdfgdfg: because running that command shouldn't work -- /dev/sdb is some kind of system file representing the device itself. |
| 04:04.54 | verve | doesn't show up |
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| 04:05.24 | peterS | mooglenorph: wait, running what command? the command he mentions is cp, which certainly works |
| 04:05.40 | mooglenorph | peterS: really? you can just cp to a block device? |
| 04:05.47 | peterS | mooglenorph: sure |
| 04:05.55 | peterS | cp is a lot like dd except far less confusing |
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| 04:05.59 | jpinx | peterS: see? ;) |
| 04:06.04 | mooglenorph | peterS: huh. learned something today. thanks. |
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| 04:06.09 | Rusty1 | i think he really wants to dd the iso onto a device |
| 04:06.23 | jpinx | it's a long held myth about cp ;) |
| 04:06.28 | peterS | mooglenorph: this ancient and wrong idea that "to read or write a device you need special tools" is something I'm always happy to help stamp out (: |
| 04:06.58 | jpinx | verve: I ran w and I see exactly who is logged in and from where |
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| 04:07.43 | peterS | Rusty1: yeah except 'cp x y' is so much easier to type _and_ remember _and_ understand, compared to 'dd if=x of=y' |
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| 04:08.20 | verve | jpinx: huh. i'm running an old distro for some crap, and not even debian, but i figured it was kind of linux-generic, and also this channel is more active/nicer/helpful than other linux channels |
| 04:08.24 | verve | :P |
| 04:08.34 | gsdfgdfg | One thing I have problems with is my brother gave me this computer. It has 2 hard drives, one with Windows XP, the other is blank, so I figured I would try other Linux OSes |
| 04:09.29 | jpinx | gsdfgdfg: you can dual boot off one hdd, or you can use a virtual machines (I use vbox) |
| 04:10.14 | peterS | and yeah I used to use virtualbox and it worked just fine, but there came a point where I really didn't need to run any Windows apps, so I turned off my VM. It was just wasting RAM. |
| 04:10.24 | peterS | anyway if you need it it does work quite well in my experience |
| 04:10.27 | jpinx | gsdfgdfg: my main OS is stable+baclports and I have jessie and XP in vm's, even though my hardware struggles a bit ;) |
| 04:11.11 | jpinx | peterS: agreed - I am close to getting everything windowsy working in wine ;) |
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| 04:12.02 | gsdfgdfg | ,but what happened when I tried Ubuntu 10.04 on it was flash videos just do not work whether on the internet or not and I installed everything that was needed. With these other 2 computers I have flash working under Ubuntu 10.04 using an older version of flash which is 10.3 which should be 11 |
| 04:12.02 | peterS | jpinx: I had like 3 or 4 windows apps I needed to be able to run for work. But in all cases I've either switched to software in Debian, or (occasionally) I run something on a machine at work, over RDP |
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| 04:12.44 | gsdfgdfg | I have no problem resetting up these 2 other computers with flash working |
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| 04:12.47 | jpinx | peterS: I don't have the bw for RDP :( |
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| 04:13.17 | peterS | jpinx: I _have_ been surprised at how much more efficient it is than VNC |
| 04:13.59 | peterS | though to be fair I'm doing VNC over ssh, maybe a VNC native socket would be a better experience |
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| 04:14.00 | gsdfgdfg | I would try Chrome for flash pepper or what ever it's called but Ubuntu 10.04 doesn't have Chrome for it to work and Chromium is a no go for me |
| 04:14.04 | jpinx | gsdfgdfg: flash is a pita, but seems to work ok in my debian ;) |
| 04:14.19 | gsdfgdfg | pita? |
| 04:14.27 | RandomGuy5432 | heh |
| 04:14.38 | jpinx | gsdfgdfg: when you install debian you might like to come back here for support ;) |
| 04:14.42 | gsdfgdfg | It's randomguy, lol |
| 04:15.07 | peterS | and it seems randomguy is listening on the postgresql default port (5432) |
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| 04:15.30 | gsdfgdfg | Perhaps, but I will most likely first try to battle it out on my own until I most likely fail |
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| 04:16.35 | gsdfgdfg | I should go, TY, I will likely be back, anything that works as an alternative would be great |
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| 04:17.09 | gsdfgdfg | I have a love hate relationship with flash |
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| 04:18.48 | jpinx | peterS: if I mount the .vdi of my jessie vm as a loop nbd and chroot into it, can I run update/grades correctly ? |
| 04:18.51 | peterS | I like flash especially for web ads. I love empty boxes that look like there's supposed to be ads in them. and I don't even have to feel guilty for running some specific 'ad blocker'. |
| 04:19.29 | peterS | wait, a loop _nbd_? hmmm ... why would you do that? |
| 04:20.03 | jpinx | so that the vm is not accupying RAM and munching cpu's ;) |
| 04:20.24 | jpinx | I'me hardware limited |
| 04:20.30 | peterS | so you want a way to turn a vdi into a block device ... how does nbd do that? you have to run an nbd server somewhere, surely? |
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| 04:20.51 | peterS | and the nbd server is "occupying RAM and munching cpu's", I guess |
| 04:21.08 | jpinx | yes - I've been reading that I need a NBD server and mount the .vdi as a loop |
| 04:21.21 | jpinx | not as much as the vm ;) |
| 04:21.26 | peterS | you can run an NBD server inside the VM that you booted |
| 04:21.37 | peterS | but at that point you're already running the VM, may as well just perform the upgrade directly |
| 04:21.51 | jpinx | peterS: no - I run the nbd server on the host system |
| 04:22.16 | peterS | how does that work? what do you point the nbd server to? |
| 04:22.20 | RandomGuy5432 | <peterS> and it seems randomguy is listening on the postgresql default port (5432) <-- yeah :) if it were my actual IP :P hahah |
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| 04:22.38 | peterS | the vdi file? I mean, .vdi is not a raw disk image format. |
| 04:23.15 | peterS | (I mean, it _is_ a disk image format - but it isn't just raw block data, is what I meant to say) |
| 04:23.33 | jpinx | hence the need to mount it with nbd |
| 04:23.45 | peterS | yes but what do you point your nbd server to? how does it read the vdi? |
| 04:24.05 | jpinx | has yet to get this to work -- just been reading lots of success stories |
| 04:24.06 | peterS | I'm not aware of a nbd server implementation that knows how to read and write the vdi image format |
| 04:24.20 | peterS | but that doesn't mean there isn't one. it just seems an odd approach, to me |
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| 04:25.20 | peterS | jpinx: more promising, IMO: 'apt-cache show xmount' |
| 04:25.36 | peterS | I haven't tried it, mind you, but it claims to do what I think you want |
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| 04:26.22 | jpinx | Hmmm -- looking |
| 04:26.43 | peterS | hmmm, reading the description again, I'm not sure it actually accomplishes live updates of a vdi. but it's the closest thing I can find to what you're asking about. I don't know how an nbd server would do anything similar. |
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| 04:28.19 | jpinx | peterS: http://bethesignal.org/blog/2011/01/05/how-to-mount-virtualbox-vdi-image/ |
| 04:28.36 | jpinx | also -- http://askubuntu.com/questions/19430/mount-a-virtualbox-drive-image-vdi |
| 04:29.21 | peterS | jpinx: aha. so this is not a normal nbd server, this is qemu-nbd, which presumably _does_ know how to read and write other types of disk images |
| 04:30.23 | peterS | I guess implementing this as an nbd server was easier than implementing it as a FUSE filesystem containing device nodes or image files.... |
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| 04:31.18 | peterS | (well, not device nodes... that wouldn't work, it'd have to be image files, so you'd access them via the loop driver) |
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| 04:31.49 | dimitry7 | Hello guys, what steps are to consider to scan my network to be free of rootkits, worms and bots? |
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| 04:33.37 | jpinx | peterS: I'll persevere with trying to get it mounted, but the question remains -- when I chroot into jessie from wheezy - can I run update and upgrade with corret results? |
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| 04:34.42 | peterS | jpinx: seems fine ... any time you're working in a chroot, especially for things like installing packages, you want things like /dev/null to be available, so you probably want to 'mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev' before you chroot in. (I'm assuming you mount this thing on /mnt) |
| 04:35.04 | peterS | jpinx: also just for good measure, once you're in, 'mount /proc' and 'mount /sys'. packaging scripts normally won't need that stuff but occasionally they might |
| 04:35.05 | jpinx | yes |
| 04:35.43 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: debian contains tripwire, which is an intrusion detection system that you could use to checksum system binaries for tampering |
| 04:36.01 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: of course if you expect an existing intrusion you won't detect any changes |
| 04:36.05 | jpinx | ok -- those exist in the chroot but will need mounting - can I run "mount -a" in the chroot to accomplish this ? |
| 04:36.37 | jpinx | peterS: or do I have to do it manually? |
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| 04:36.44 | peterS | jpinx: hmmm. depends on what's in /etc/fstab I guess. if references to actual device nodes like /dev/vda1 are in there, those won't work |
| 04:37.12 | peterS | I'd just mount /proc and /dev manually, maybe not even bother with /sys |
| 04:37.24 | jpinx | peterS: indeed - I'll take that as it comes to me ;) |
| 04:37.27 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: "snort" will sniff packets on your network and look for suspicious activity |
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| 04:38.03 | jpinx | peterS: gotta get it mounted first ;) |
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| 04:38.47 | peterS | jpinx: did you notice, there's a 'no cache' option (-n) to qemu-nbd that some people responding to jeff's post said helped with stability |
| 04:39.00 | jidm | hi i'm on debian testing, it looks like now systemd is running as a service daemon, and my user lost privileges to reboot, shutdown, connect to wifi, and those stuff :( |
| 04:39.21 | jpinx | peterS: the other option is to convert the .vdi to raw - mount that and fiddle - then convert back to .vdi |
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| 04:39.35 | peterS | jpinx: right, or _not_ convert back to .vdi. I'm actually kind of fond of raw images, myself |
| 04:39.43 | jpinx | yes - I'm reading about qemu's stuff now |
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| 04:40.08 | jpinx | renames peterS rawhide |
| 04:40.34 | peterS | just don't call me rawburt. we have some ... differences of opinion |
| 04:41.51 | jpinx | peterS: I'll see if the .vdi mounting thing will work on my hardware easily |
| 04:42.20 | peterS | jpinx: given I work with qemu-kvm all day, I'm kinda surprised I'd never heard of qemu-nbd. But there you have it. thanks for that. |
| 04:42.20 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, excellent my friend... all I neeed is a good guide... because I have been strugling trying to grasp on it but nothing :-( |
| 04:42.50 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, how can I detect an existing intrusion?= |
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| 04:44.35 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: Well, if you install snort, you have a decent chance of detecting an existing intrusion if you get recent rules from the database. |
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| 04:45.22 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: Make sure you get snort-mysql or snort-pgsql from apt |
| 04:45.35 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, okay perfect |
| 04:46.31 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, is there somewhere where I can compare if I have decent rules? |
| 04:47.14 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: Snort comes with rules and can be updated per the docs included with it in debian |
| 04:47.47 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: the people who wrote snort also, I believe, sell access to better-ish rules lists? http://www.snort.org/snort-rules/ |
| 04:47.51 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, excellet, I'll take a look at it |
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| 04:48.04 | dimitry7 | oh perfect!! |
| 04:48.24 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: but, you should really get a fresh copy of debian and image it onto a fresh disk |
| 04:48.57 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, yes exactly |
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| 04:49.22 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, my compromised system has root access to other systems (via VPN, but it does) |
| 04:50.06 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: So like... it has root passwords in the clear? Or it has keys on it that can VPN into the other systems? Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with VPN. |
| 04:50.07 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, I will reinstall my compromised server, and renew my keys, but how do I make sure my other servers are intact? |
| 04:50.41 | dimitry7 | Yeah it has the keys on it and can connect to other systems with root privileges. |
| 04:50.44 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: Well if you haven't done anything weird to the system binaries you could scan them for known rootkit issues with tripwire. |
| 04:51.07 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: and run snort on a trusted system to see if they're generating suspicious traffic |
| 04:51.19 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, could you please give me some guidance on tripwire? |
| 04:51.34 | dimitry7 | I have tried but it is too complicated :--S |
| 04:51.46 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, okay |
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| 04:53.05 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: Not really... It is a sort of tricky situation in that you're supposed to store the fingerprints of your system binaries on ReadOnly media so that they can't be modified by attackers. |
| 04:53.51 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: But you can fake that to check systems that you suspect may have been comprimised if you know what packages are on them. |
| 04:54.21 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: The docs for tripwire are actually pretty good, they have examples etc. Just install it on a known-good system and dig around in /usr/share/doc/tripwire |
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| 04:55.43 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, you mean the fingerprint of a package is its checksum? |
| 04:55.59 | dimitry7 | am I right? |
| 04:56.35 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: Yes |
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| 04:57.51 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: It doesn't fingerprint packages though, it fingerprints literal files. The policies that you give it tell it what files to fingerprint. Usually this is the contents of important directories that the system maintains -- bin, etc, lib. |
| 04:58.47 | dimitry7 | is there a way to set those policies? |
| 04:58.51 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: Since you don't have an existing fingerprint database for the possibly-comprimised servers, you'd have to set up a clean server identically, fingerprint *that* server, and then run tripwire on the possibly comprimised server with the fingerprints from the known-good one. |
| 04:59.12 | dimitry7 | ooh okay |
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| 05:00.02 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: policy examples for tripwire can be found in the /usr/share/doc/tripwire |
| 05:00.03 | dimitry7 | so when ever a directory is modified,.. i will know it? |
| 05:00.37 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: Yes. And of course, the sane policies that come as default with debian are fine. They don't fingerprint home directories and stuff that is supposed to change. |
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| 05:01.19 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: But if your core utilities or certain library files have been changed without an update from apt, that's a very bad sign. |
| 05:01.32 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: if you want to scan user home directories for viruses, btw, you can use clamav |
| 05:01.47 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, yes they have changed. Specially ssh and scp |
| 05:01.54 | dimitry7 | okay |
| 05:02.15 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: Although I don't know how good the clamav database is for linux viruses -- it's mostly meant to detect viruses that users mail to each other on mail servers. |
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| 05:02.56 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: So, ssh and scp are different? And it isn't due to an update on those systems? |
| 05:03.02 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: That's bad. |
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| 05:03.49 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: Also try running chkrootkit |
| 05:03.57 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: Which is also in aptitude |
| 05:04.01 | dimitry7 | Yes I did |
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| 05:04.09 | dimitry7 | it showed everything clean |
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| 05:04.54 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: Hmm did you try rkhunter? |
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| 05:06.17 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, yes I first updated it |
| 05:06.26 | dimitry7 | and then runned with --check option |
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| 05:06.29 | dimitry7 | nothing fund |
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| 05:06.30 | dimitry7 | found |
| 05:06.31 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: Either way though, if those are debian systems and ssh and scp are *different* from the files that are in the binary packages, I can't think of an innocent explination for that. |
| 05:07.06 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, I know, I will reinstall all the server |
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| 05:07.17 | dimitry7 | meanwhile I purged ssh and scp |
| 05:07.21 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: So you might have a problem. But I can't say I'm sure. |
| 05:07.31 | dimitry7 | and now their fingerprint matches as OK |
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| 05:07.57 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, I know |
| 05:08.03 | dimitry7 | im nervous |
| 05:08.04 | CodePulsar | Why Debian Security Advisory DSA-2950-2 disable ZLIB compression for OpenSSL by default? |
| 05:08.24 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: Well, in that case it is down to how paranoid you're willing to be. In your situation, I would probably try and re-image everything. |
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| 05:09.19 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, re-image? record everything to another server? |
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| 05:10.10 | Gear | i repartitioned the drive and sda3 became sda6 and the swapp became sda7 |
| 05:10.26 | Gear | do i have to edit grub? |
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| 05:10.33 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: Get data out and reinstall the servers. Re-image assumes you have "image files" for your servers in known-good configurations that you can just write to hard disks. |
| 05:10.40 | Gear | or will it find the debian install |
| 05:10.47 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: If you don't then obviously that's more of a hassle |
| 05:10.54 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, perfect explanation |
| 05:11.38 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, yes I will reinstall everything |
| 05:11.45 | dimitry7 | on these two servers |
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| 05:11.54 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: That's certainly the safest thing to do |
| 05:11.55 | dimitry7 | the first one is offline |
| 05:12.03 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: best of luck, i actually need to run now |
| 05:12.15 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, where can I find you again? here' |
| 05:12.22 | dimitry7 | I do appreciate your help! |
| 05:12.28 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: no problem |
| 05:12.42 | dimitry7 | hopefully here |
| 05:12.52 | jpinx | peterS: fwiw - installing the whole thing needed to mount the .vdi was not worth the gain over converting to raw |
| 05:12.54 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: and note that I'm by no means an expert in security... I just have some friends in the security group at my uni |
| 05:13.09 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: i'm usually around in here |
| 05:13.18 | dimitry7 | mooglenorph, it would be good to join your forum :-) |
| 05:13.23 | dimitry7 | oh perfect! :-) |
| 05:13.25 | mooglenorph | dimitry7: good luck cleaning up |
| 05:13.32 | Gear | did anyone see my question |
| 05:13.32 | dimitry7 | we'll see around then :-) |
| 05:13.39 | dimitry7 | thank you so much for everything!! |
| 05:13.46 | dimitry7 | Great day / night! |
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| 05:16.17 | chalcedony | i seem to have aptitude |
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| 05:18.38 | Gear | i am using my shit phone, can someone please help with a partitioning question |
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| 05:20.49 | Gear | can someone help please |
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| 05:24.28 | OpenTokix | Gear: What is your question? |
| 05:24.54 | OpenTokix | Gear: mount by blkid |
| 05:25.01 | OpenTokix | Gear: and swap will sort itself out automatically |
| 05:25.10 | Gear | mount by what? |
| 05:25.12 | OpenTokix | Gear: or LAbel |
| 05:25.29 | OpenTokix | Gear: blkid /dev/sda6 |
| 05:25.30 | Gear | label? in gparted? |
| 05:25.46 | OpenTokix | and then paste UUID="Abcbf2342..." in to fstab |
| 05:25.49 | OpenTokix | Gear: yes, |
| 05:26.04 | Gear | label to what |
| 05:26.09 | OpenTokix | Gear: and then you write: LABEL=sysroot / ext4 defaults 0 0 |
| 05:26.15 | OpenTokix | or whatever label you write |
| 05:26.21 | Gear | and edit gparted how |
| 05:26.30 | Gear | i can't boot anymore |
| 05:26.32 | OpenTokix | Gear: label is on the filesystem |
| 05:26.41 | OpenTokix | Gear: ok, livecd? |
| 05:27.02 | OpenTokix | Gear: you can boot into rescue mode from the boot medium you selected |
| 05:27.06 | Gear | i overwrote my usb stick to the gparted live thing |
| 05:27.15 | OpenTokix | ok, you have some livecd going? |
| 05:27.40 | OpenTokix | Gear: does the livecd have a shell and tune2fs you can write a label and then edit the fstab on the system |
| 05:28.03 | Gear | i can do anything gparted does |
| 05:28.27 | OpenTokix | never used gparted |
| 05:28.29 | OpenTokix | let me google =) |
| 05:28.37 | Gear | i just did |
| 05:28.50 | OpenTokix | Gear: http://gparted.org/display-doc.php?name=help-manual#gparted-setting-partition-label |
| 05:28.56 | OpenTokix | Gear: apparantly you can |
| 05:29.06 | OpenTokix | Gear: but you also have to edit the fstab |
| 05:29.19 | Gear | edit it to what |
| 05:29.38 | OpenTokix | the label you set |
| 05:29.42 | Gear | i'm on my crappy phone, can you explain? |
| 05:29.44 | OpenTokix | the label can be anything you want |
| 05:29.51 | OpenTokix | Set the label to: sysroot |
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| 05:30.11 | OpenTokix | then change in fstab of the system with some editor: /dev/sda3 or whatever, to LABEL=sysroot |
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| 05:32.55 | OpenTokix | Gear: good luck, I have to get going here - work to do, car to drive, datacenter to visit |
| 05:32.56 | Gear | where is fstab please |
| 05:33.18 | OpenTokix | Gear: in the / of the systme - not sure what partition that is, you have to mount that in your livesystem and edit the file |
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| 05:33.37 | CodePulsar | Google already knows the answer before you even type the question |
| 05:33.58 | CodePulsar | ah too late |
| 05:34.17 | Gear | i am on my crappy phone and can't google |
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| 05:37.04 | OpenTokix | Gear: you can access a terminal from the gparted live system |
| 05:37.08 | OpenTokix | Gear: just checked the manual |
| 05:37.21 | Gear | what is the root password |
| 05:37.40 | OpenTokix | Gear: try root, toor or just enter |
| 05:37.55 | OpenTokix | Gear: or: sudo su - |
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| 05:38.37 | OpenTokix | Gear: sudo su - is the correct way to get root on gparted live |
| 05:38.57 | Gear | yup got it |
| 05:39.19 | Gear | where is fstab and how do i edit it? |
| 05:39.35 | OpenTokix | Gear: write: blkid |
| 05:39.44 | OpenTokix | then you will get a list of all the partitions |
| 05:39.56 | OpenTokix | then you have to figure out what partition is the / of your system |
| 05:40.01 | OpenTokix | and mount that somwhere |
| 05:40.18 | OpenTokix | Gear: have you set a label on the partition that is /? |
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| 05:40.44 | OpenTokix | Gear: mount -L label_name_here /mnt |
| 05:40.51 | Gear | mount it? shouldn't it be mounted? i set the label to sysroot |
| 05:40.59 | OpenTokix | mount -L sysroot /mnt |
| 05:41.03 | OpenTokix | cd /mnt/etc/ |
| 05:41.09 | OpenTokix | $EDITOR fstab |
| 05:41.26 | OpenTokix | find the mountpoint for / and change /dev/sdXX to LABEL=sysroot |
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| 05:43.40 | Gear | the mount command isn't working |
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| 05:44.22 | OpenTokix | Gear: what does it say? |
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| 05:45.09 | Gear | ntfs3g failed to access volume 'sysroot' no suck file or directory |
| 05:45.42 | OpenTokix | Gear: ntfs? |
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| 05:45.53 | OpenTokix | Is this some dualbooting system also? |
| 05:46.04 | Gear | yes |
| 05:46.09 | OpenTokix | *bleug* |
| 05:46.11 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 05:46.25 | OpenTokix | did you change the label on the correct partition? |
| 05:46.32 | Gear | yup |
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| 05:47.12 | Gear | it looks mounted |
| 05:47.15 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 05:47.24 | Gear | in the gui |
| 05:47.24 | OpenTokix | go in the mounted folder and look at the fstab then |
| 05:48.09 | Gear | mounted folder? |
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| 05:48.48 | Gear | i haven't slept so bear with me, i'm only a few months into linux and haven't used much command line at all |
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| 05:49.50 | OpenTokix | Gear: ok, really hard to help when you dont even speak the same language =) |
| 05:49.56 | Gear | it looks like it's mounted and i'm in that drive |
| 05:50.03 | OpenTokix | Gear: not sure what I should write to give you guidance |
| 05:50.12 | OpenTokix | Gear: locate fstab in etc folder and then edit it |
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| 05:50.40 | Gear | with nano? |
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| 05:51.43 | Gear | ok it says unconfigured fstab for base system, maybe i'm not in that drive at all |
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| 05:52.55 | formorer | ssh root@ox.cadcae.loc |
| 05:52.59 | OpenTokix | Gear: how far did you get in the installation? |
| 05:53.17 | OpenTokix | formorer: the host key changed, do you want to accept: (Yes/No) |
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| 05:54.08 | formorer | OpenTokix: yes please. thanks |
| 05:54.13 | Gear | it wass installed before this, i just had to put everrything into a logical parrtition because the limit for 4 primary ones was reeached |
| 05:54.13 | OpenTokix | formorer: =) |
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| 05:54.40 | OpenTokix | Gear: ok, that does not answer my question at all. - That only state the reason |
| 05:54.47 | OpenTokix | Gear: is the system fully installed? |
| 05:55.16 | Gear | it was before yes |
| 05:55.21 | OpenTokix | Gear: my guess is that your system requires quite a bit of skill to repair |
| 05:55.36 | Gear | shit! |
| 05:55.43 | OpenTokix | Gear: and it is very hard for someone on irc to help you, with your limited knowledge currently |
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| 05:55.47 | KyokoDebian | :) |
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| 05:55.51 | OpenTokix | Gear: or atleast I can't |
| 05:56.05 | OpenTokix | so maybe its me with the limited knowledge, but however I cant help you further. |
| 05:56.17 | Gear | i'm not sure i'm in the sda6 drive thogh |
| 05:57.06 | Gear | i really don't want to reinstall |
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| 06:03.56 | Gear | how can i boot into windows |
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| 06:04.13 | Gear | or can't i |
| 06:04.39 | Gear | i have to remake the debian install usb |
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| 06:06.21 | mcfrisk | hi, doing a monthly dist-upgrade in sid, but 'Package configuration' dialog in X shell is failing to recognize arrow and enter keys, the shell itself is ok since after ctrl-z those work. Any hints how to proceed? |
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| 06:13.53 | Gear | where is an iso that has nonfree repos that i can put onto a usb stick |
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| 06:14.24 | Gear | of 7.5 |
| 06:14.26 | formorer | Gear: no |
| 06:14.40 | Gear | no what? |
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| 06:14.54 | formorer | Gear: such an iso does not exist. |
| 06:15.25 | Gear | where is an iso that i can choose the option of the nonfree repo |
| 06:15.40 | jmcnaught | mcfrisk: you could try using a different debconf frontend. try "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline apt-get upgrade". debconf(7) has information about the other frontends |
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| 06:16.09 | Gear | ok where is an iso i can reinsgall 7.5 with via usb |
| 06:16.16 | Gear | 64bit |
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| 06:17.17 | formorer | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 06:17.27 | formorer | netinst or CD-1 |
| 06:17.36 | Artemis3 | Gear, nonfree can be chosen in the installer when using expert install |
| 06:17.59 | Gear | thanks artemis |
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| 06:18.25 | Gear | and others |
| 06:18.58 | Gear | do i get the cd via jigdo |
| 06:19.09 | Gear | and use cd 1 |
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| 06:19.50 | Gear | or netinst or what? |
| 06:20.07 | themill | !firmware image |
| 06:20.07 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 06:20.15 | formorer | you can use netinst or cd-1, but are suitable for usb installs. |
| 06:20.17 | themill | Gear, formorer ^^ |
| 06:20.37 | formorer | I know those images. |
| 06:20.48 | Gear | i need one for a usb install |
| 06:20.49 | formorer | but those images don't include the non-free repo by default |
| 06:20.56 | formorer | just some firmware. |
| 06:21.11 | Gear | and i don't remember what i used |
| 06:21.40 | formorer | as said, every amd64 netinst or cd-1 image would work. |
| 06:22.01 | formorer | if you need external firmware just use the one from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 06:22.47 | Gear | i got the 64bit netinst |
| 06:23.07 | Gear | can i use expert mode to get the nonfree repos with that |
| 06:23.13 | Artemis3 | yes |
| 06:23.14 | formorer | yes. |
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| 06:23.42 | Artemis3 | but editing sources.list to add nonfree is not exactly rocket science either ;) |
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| 06:24.14 | Gear | i will have to do that afterwards |
| 06:24.27 | Artemis3 | only if you miss it in the installer |
| 06:24.59 | Artemis3 | main contrib nonfree |
| 06:25.13 | Gear | miss it? |
| 06:25.19 | jpinx | anyone know why my mount -o loop raw-clone-of-vdi.img raw-mountpoint is demanding a filesystem definition - auto is not working |
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| 06:25.45 | jmcnaught | by the way the URL in the <firmware image> factoid leads to a blank page |
| 06:25.46 | Artemis3 | well do -t filesystem? maybe iso9660 ? |
| 06:25.47 | formorer | jpinx: doesn't a vdi include a partition table? |
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| 06:26.05 | Artemis3 | don't even know what a vdi is |
| 06:26.17 | jpinx | formorer: you mean I need an offset maybe ? |
| 06:26.54 | ariscop | "W: Failed to fetch xz:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_jessie_main_binary-amd64_Packages Hash Sum mismatch" for both ftp. and ftp.us.debian.org |
| 06:27.07 | formorer | jmcnaught: indeed. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/ works |
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| 06:27.18 | themill | ariscop: what version of apt do you have there? |
| 06:27.31 | ariscop | themill, 0.9.16.1 |
| 06:28.04 | formorer | jpinx: http://www.planetcobalt.net/sdb/vdi.shtml |
| 06:28.12 | formorer | ariscop: a virtualbox disk image |
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| 06:28.23 | jmcnaught | formorer: thanks i don't need it myself i just thought it should be mentioned. i don't know how to change the factoid myself, but it's probably the whatever current points to that needs to be fixed |
| 06:28.28 | ariscop | no? it's a vm |
| 06:28.34 | Artemis3 | you only need the firmware installer if you plan to use a device that requires it at install (ie nic that wouldn't work otherwise) |
| 06:28.40 | formorer | jmcnaught: it is a bug |
| 06:28.43 | ariscop | i think they're using xen |
| 06:28.52 | mcfrisk | jmcnaught: thanks, that did the trick |
| 06:28.52 | themill | !xz hashes |
| 06:28.53 | dpkg | APT version 0.9.16.1 gets decompression of xz files wrong under various conditions, generating an error about hash sum mismatches (#743298). Configure apt to use gz instead for the time being («Acquire::CompressionTypes::Order:: "gz";» in /etc/apt/apt.conf) or upgrade your version of apt to the newer version in sid. |
| 06:28.56 | formorer | vdi are virtualbox image. |
| 06:29.04 | ariscop | ah, thanks |
| 06:29.36 | Artemis3 | oh i see, i only use qemu ^^ |
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| 06:29.48 | themill | jmcnaught, formorer: url fixed. |
| 06:29.58 | jmcnaught | themill: thanks :) |
| 06:29.59 | formorer | themill: no, now you broke it. |
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| 06:30.06 | themill | formorer: no, it's fine. |
| 06:30.22 | formorer | what is the url now? |
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| 06:30.36 | themill | one that is one click away from the image. |
| 06:30.44 | formorer | ok. |
| 06:30.53 | formorer | but the current link is also broken. |
| 06:31.13 | themill | yes, but we all know how slowly things like that tend to get fixed. |
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| 06:31.18 | formorer | I'll write a bug |
| 06:31.33 | Artemis3 | hmm when did they switch to xz? |
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| 06:33.14 | formorer | themill: bug is out. |
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| 06:40.09 | jpinx | formorer: same problem - mount -o loop demands a filesystem definition |
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| 06:57.50 | Luxxi | hm |
| 06:58.23 | TheQuestionmark | Wrong answer. |
| 06:58.36 | Luxxi | yeah |
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| 07:10.45 | SirCmpwn | this was surprisingly painless https://mediacru.sh/ef22364e0e06 |
| 07:11.19 | formorer | jpinx: what exactly are you trying to mount? |
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| 07:26.48 | Scarlett21 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:28.47 | spacebison | So I made the mistake of updating firefox/iceweasel and I was wondering what this blue box is? Thanks. http://www.spacebison.com/files/ff30poop.png |
| 07:29.40 | themill | spacebison: what do you mean? |
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| 07:30.13 | spacebison | In the iceweasel window. The area with that blue rectangle. |
| 07:30.28 | themill | yes, the blue rectangle is a blue rectangle. |
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| 07:30.52 | spacebison | Ah, of course. |
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| 07:31.04 | themill | I don't understand what you're asking |
| 07:31.04 | shingouz | spacebison: oh, *that* poop. the dropmenu :) |
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| 07:31.54 | spacebison | Ok. Thanks! |
| 07:32.00 | shingouz | spacebison: firefox has a revamped ui... that is the dropmenu. like chromium |
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| 07:34.07 | Necrophagos | Is it possible to tell proftpd that if a user has the home /home/someuser to jail them into /custom/basepath/home/someuser |
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| 07:39.08 | Gear | i'm not sure i entered a username in the installation |
| 07:39.15 | Gear | i can't log in |
| 07:39.32 | smoke_ | Necrophagos, just dont give whatever files u are trying to restrict to read access to that group? |
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| 07:42.14 | Necrophagos | smoke_: basicall I have no control over what the user home directories path are (they come from ldap) but I need them to be in a speciic directory (which is on a clustered sotrage) |
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| 07:44.12 | Gear | i can't log into this new install for some reason |
| 07:44.19 | Gear | how can i find theusername |
| 07:46.01 | Gear | expert mode might have skipped something |
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| 07:48.06 | arun_ | hi guys |
| 07:48.24 | arun_ | where can I meet some package maintainers or the repository maintainers ? |
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| 07:50.41 | arun_ | hello anyone there? |
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| 07:56.19 | arunpyasi | hello |
| 07:56.22 | arunpyasi | where can I meet some package maintainers or the repository maintainers ? |
| 07:56.36 | arunpyasi | !developers |
| 07:56.36 | dpkg | i heard developers is DEVELOPERSDEVELOPERSDEVELOPERS!, or http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html |
| 07:56.47 | arunpyasi | !debian |
| 07:56.47 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 08:01.50 | musca | arunpyasi: just ask your detailed question, please |
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| 08:05.31 | cnodell | is anyone here familiar with using elinks? |
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| 08:30.26 | musca | arunpyasi: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
| 08:30.43 | musca | it covers reprepro |
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| 08:56.43 | Gear_ | .msg dpkg non-free sources |
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| 08:57.10 | Gear_ | what do I edit to get the non free and contrib repos |
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| 09:01.27 | shingouz | !tell Gear_ about sources.list |
| 09:01.28 | buu | !non-free |
| 09:01.39 | buu | 04:01 <dpkg> You already asked me something 1 seconds ago. |
| 09:01.41 | buu | The hell I did |
| 09:02.19 | shingouz | !tell Gear_ about non-free |
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| 09:03.05 | Gear_ | which firmware do I apt-get for a thinkpad x220tablet ? |
| 09:03.08 | shingouz | thinks dpkg needs a coffee, he is still sleeping |
| 09:03.11 | Gear_ | the wifi |
| 09:03.26 | formorer | iwlwifi |
| 09:03.34 | Gear_ | thanks |
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| 09:03.38 | shingouz | Gear_: well, what chip do you have there? |
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| 09:03.42 | Gear_ | 3rd install in a row, this one should work |
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| 09:03.49 | Gear_ | um |
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| 09:04.01 | Gear_ | centrino something super whatever |
| 09:04.21 | Gear_ | where is the hardware list in gnome? |
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| 09:05.31 | shingouz | Gear_: no idea where the gnome hardare list is. lspci and lsusb gives you usually a pretty good idea along with dmesg. you will need firmware-iwlwifi on your box to get things running |
| 09:05.52 | tuor-work | hi, what means: "screen-saver pattern cycle time"? (it's from xserver manual) |
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| 09:06.17 | Gear_ | apt-get install iwlwifi ? |
| 09:07.06 | shingouz | Gear_: no. apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi. |
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| 09:12.06 | arunpyasi | anyone with a VPS running ubuntu ?? there |
| 09:12.24 | shingouz | arunpyasi: #ubuntu |
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| 09:13.25 | Walex | tuor-work: the cycle time for the pattern used by the X-server builtin screen saver, which nobody uses. |
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| 09:14.14 | Gear_ | when I install software |
| 09:14.17 | Gear_ | it comes up twice |
| 09:14.23 | Gear_ | after it's installed |
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| 09:15.59 | shingouz | Gear_: install what software and what comes up twice where? |
| 09:16.33 | Gear_ | the icon and description |
| 09:16.35 | Gear_ | any software |
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| 09:16.42 | Gear_ | from the software installer |
| 09:16.51 | shingouz | !enter |
| 09:16.51 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:17.11 | mrtnt_ | I started a tftp server with atftpd -v --port 69 --bind-address 10.10.10.2 --daemon /srv/tftp/ command, but for some reason I do not see TFTP server listening on port 69 in ss/netstat output. However, if I connect to a TFTP server with TFTP client, I'm able to transfer files and automatically another instance of TFTP server starts(PID 5191): paste.debian.net/105410/ |
| 09:17.26 | mrtnt_ | in.tftpd is a symbolic link to /usr/sbin/atftpd. How are clients able to connect to TFTP server if the TFTP server is not listening on UDP port 69? Are there other servers which work in a same manner? |
| 09:17.27 | shingouz | Gear_: what icon and where? i have no idea what you are talking about |
| 09:17.49 | Gear_ | any software, from the software installer, there is an icon and a description of the software you just successfully installed, that comes up twice |
| 09:18.08 | Gear_ | it shows the same thing twice as being successfully installed |
| 09:18.16 | joltcan | mrtnt_: sudo netstat -anp|grep atftpd? Maybe you didn't run it as root? |
| 09:19.06 | joltcan | mrtnt_: or sudo netstat -anp|grep tftp should do it (if it is called in.tftpd |
| 09:19.44 | shingouz | Gear_: you need to give us information. what is shoing the icon? gnome? kde? your winxp install? the personal shrine in the corner of the room? diagnosing something without knowing *what* to diagnose is a complete poke in the dark |
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| 09:20.39 | mrtnt_ | joltcan: I did run it as root.. |
| 09:20.48 | joltcan | mrtnt_: well, then you should see it :) |
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| 09:21.52 | tuor-work | Walex: ah ok. thx. where do i set the time for activating the bulin screensaver? My xserver turn the display off after 5 min. I don't want this. |
| 09:22.28 | tuor-work | Walex: i use startx |
| 09:22.29 | Walex | tuor-work: don't use the builtin screensaver, use 'xscreensaver' please. |
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| 09:23.23 | Walex | tuor-work: the builtin screensaver is controlled via 'xset'. Just disable it and then spawn 'xscreensaver' in your '.xinit'. |
| 09:23.53 | Walex | tuor-work: BTW many congratulations for using 'startx' instead of a graphical login. |
| 09:23.55 | tuor-work | Walex: ok. nice. thx! |
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| 09:24.44 | Walex | tuor-work: you may already know that 'xscreensaver-demo' (despite the name) is the GUI configuration tool for 'xscreensaver' |
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| 09:26.17 | madmac2501 | hi, how could I list installed packages that no one depends on them? (they have been manually installe) |
| 09:26.56 | petern_ | deborphan |
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| 09:28.11 | chalcedony | i need someone to talk to about configuring my new hd with debian wheezy, esp video card - typing 'aptitude' in the terminal brings up a gui in the terminal listing package types .. but i don't know how to work that. fglrx-amdcccle? |
| 09:29.13 | tuor-work | Walex: yea thx. :) |
| 09:30.05 | chalcedony | what i know is that xradr doesn't work for me here |
| 09:30.10 | Walex | madmac2501: I have a nice guide to do that sort of things with 'aptitude', link to follow |
| 09:30.13 | chalcedony | xrandr |
| 09:30.28 | Walex | chalcedony: sometimes it does, sometimes it does not, but usually that depends on the driver. |
| 09:30.29 | SynrG | chalcedony: lspci -nn |grep -i vga |
| 09:30.41 | chalcedony | SynrG, ok |
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| 09:31.00 | Walex | chalcedony: using the 'xrandr' command or an XRANDR-style 'xorg.conf' is sometimes unobvious |
| 09:31.01 | chalcedony | (side thing how do i get it quit locking me out?) |
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| 09:31.05 | Brigo | chalcedony, new hd? hard disk? |
| 09:31.18 | chalcedony | Brigo, yes .. the computer i've had |
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| 09:32.12 | Alfons0 | Hello, world! I have an issue with a production, I am moving all my email from Gmail to my own dovecot / postfix setup, and reached 90% on /dev/root ; what would be my alternatives? |
| 09:32.18 | Walex | chalcedony: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/12-thr.html#121019 |
| 09:32.18 | Alfons0 | +server |
| 09:32.59 | Walex | madmac2501: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html#130414 |
| 09:33.42 | SynrG | chalcedony: "ok?" |
| 09:33.46 | SynrG | chalcedony: i meant, show us the output :) |
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| 09:34.04 | chalcedony | SynrG, 01:05:0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS780 [Radeon HD 3200] [1002:9610] |
| 09:34.23 | SynrG | chalcedony: you need the firmware for that |
| 09:34.25 | chalcedony | (i'm not on that computer to chat) |
| 09:34.29 | bezaban | Alfons0: what is /dev/root or was it a typo? :) |
| 09:34.44 | bezaban | Alfons0: also, how is your system partitioned. |
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| 09:34.59 | SynrG | !radeon firmware |
| 09:34.59 | dpkg | Binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009) and is packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources>. This is not required for use of the <fglrx> driver. |
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| 09:35.13 | chalcedony | SynrG, i'm pretty sure the drivers are included in wheezy, now.. weren't in squeeze |
| 09:35.39 | chalcedony | i have non-free sources |
| 09:35.40 | SynrG | yes, the free drivers in debian handle that card fine. but you do need the non-free firmware. |
| 09:35.44 | Alfons0 | bezaban: it is a regular OVH setup which is not so great it seems |
| 09:35.53 | sdes | Hello guys for some reason Openbox won't boot with feh and tint2. Is it because I have an autostart.sh file both at /etc and at my desktop? |
| 09:36.48 | chalcedony | paste.debian.net/105392 i've done a few things.. |
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| 09:37.48 | karlpinc | I've got a text file and a html file, different versions of the same document. What's the best way to send a "html-ized" email? |
| 09:38.07 | SynrG | chalcedony: ah. so you've decided on the non-free driver instead. |
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| 09:38.44 | SynrG | but ... legacy? |
| 09:38.55 | SynrG | sec. checking on that |
| 09:39.08 | SynrG | i didn't think hd3200 was legacy but maybe i'm wrong |
| 09:40.05 | SynrG | humm. guess it is. wiki says so anyway |
| 09:40.12 | karlpinc | I'd used metamail in the past, iirc, but it does not seem to be around. |
| 09:40.47 | SynrG | (i don't use fglrx on my hd4350, which is also considered "legacy" ... free driver is fine) |
| 09:40.53 | Iridos | judd, pciid 1002:9610 |
| 09:40.54 | judd | [1002:9610] is 'RS780 [Radeon HD 3200]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9610 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 09:42.02 | SynrG | the only gotcha, wrt xrandr, is that the EDID stuff screws up so i have to put a Screen section in my xorg.conf with Modes in there. |
| 09:42.25 | SynrG | i have no clue about whether that's also an issue with the non-free driver tho |
| 09:42.50 | Iridos | well, seems HD 3000 series is indeed legacy |
| 09:42.51 | Walex | SynrG: that EDID stuff screws up often enough. Ah the good old days when people had to compute timings with slide rules ;-) |
| 09:43.11 | SynrG | i.e. http://paste.debian.net/105415/ |
| 09:43.19 | chalcedony | SynrG, i don't know. that's the problem. i feel LOST! |
| 09:43.29 | SynrG | (mind you, these values are right for *my* hardware ... read the specs for your own) |
| 09:44.00 | SynrG | i.e. HorizSync and VertRefresh need to match the specs |
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| 09:45.10 | shingouz | remembers extracting the magic smoke from a CRT ages ago with incorrect horizsync and vertrefresh rates |
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| 09:45.26 | bezaban | Alfons0: sorry, someone had bday at work, so had to get cake - and now some work popped up, so I've got to run |
| 09:46.07 | _spm_Draget | Running a binary gives me '/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found'. I was not able to figure out which glibc version my wheezy has installed since I did not find a 'glibc' package. Any suggestions? |
| 09:46.25 | SynrG | shingouz: yah. mind you, modern monitors should simply shutdown if they're given wrong values, so it's unlikely anyone could get magic smoke from theirs, misapplying the values i just gave :) |
| 09:46.29 | SynrG | it just wouldn't work |
| 09:46.59 | Walex | _spm_Draget: you have been playing with fire :-) |
| 09:47.05 | shingouz | true, but this was sometime in the last millennium and the crt was obtained from the ark |
| 09:47.13 | SynrG | and by modern, i mean anything made in the past, oh, i dunno, 15 years? |
| 09:47.15 | Walex | _spm_Draget: dpkg -S /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 |
| 09:47.21 | SynrG | yeah |
| 09:47.45 | _spm_Draget | Walex: I did not mess with glibc. Should be a clean wheezy (debian 7.5) installation. Just that binary (fpclac from the acoustid project) seems to be linked ot something else |
| 09:48.41 | TheQuestionmark | When setting up a DNS I am not in need of an actual tld, am I? |
| 09:48.44 | Alfons0 | bezaban: no worry it's fine, I think i'll just move the /var/mail dir to /home/mail or something :) |
| 09:49.04 | Walex | _spm_Draget: ahhhh that's bad news. You may need a newer 'libc.so.6' perhaps in a separate directory and play with the 'ld.so' env vars to make that binary use it. |
| 09:49.12 | _spm_Draget | Ah. libc6:amd64: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 -> So the package is called libc6. Which is installed in version 2.13. Why the hell did it work on a different debian wheezy PC then <.< |
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| 09:50.08 | _spm_Draget | Okay, the 'other machine' also has glibc 2.13 installed. But there the very same binary works. What the hell <.< |
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| 09:51.05 | _spm_Draget | No wait, it also does not work? x.x Since when? Uff, now I am really confused |
| 09:51.10 | SynrG | chalcedony: so, *either* use the free driver or the non-free driver. it doesn't matter which. personally, i prefer the free driver and it performs fine for my 'legacy' radeon card. and it sounds like in either case, to solve the EDID issue, you need something like what was in the paste I showed, to tell the Xserver what the Modes are that your monitor supports (but using the specs for your monitor, which you need to lookup). |
| 09:51.55 | SynrG | chalcedony: and in case you do decide to use the free driver, you need the non-free firmware (but this isn't needed for fglrx) |
| 09:52.41 | chalcedony | SynrG, um. i barely understand |
| 09:52.51 | SynrG | chalcedony: note that where it says 'radeon' for the driver in my xorg.conf example, of course, you would use fglrx (or more precisely, whatever your aticonfig produced) |
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| 09:53.04 | SynrG | chalcedony: looking at my paste? |
| 09:53.21 | gerforce | hi, i want to install bitchx. Using command: sudo apt-get install bitchx, but can not locate package. Should i put any sources into /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 09:53.27 | chalcedony | looking for the line where you pasted (hubby needed attention) |
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| 09:53.46 | SynrG | chalcedony: see how there's a "Monitor" section with HorizSync and VertRefresh? those correspond to the specs for your monitor. "horizontal sync" and "vertical refresh", respectively. |
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| 09:54.00 | SynrG | chalcedony: find the manual for your monitor (dead tree copy, or find them online) |
| 09:54.40 | chalcedony | they would be in my old drive which worked fine wouldn't they? SynrG? |
| 09:54.47 | SynrG | chalcedony: once you have that, you can enter those values into your own "Monitor" section. and in the "Screen" section, you need a "Display" subsection that has "Modes" for whichever modes you intend to use. |
| 09:54.53 | Seb | gerforce: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=bitchx |
| 09:54.57 | shingouz | !tell gerforce about bitchx |
| 09:54.58 | Seb | gerforce: you want irssi |
| 09:55.02 | SynrG | chalcedony: not necessarily. |
| 09:55.25 | shingouz | gerforce: apt-cache search bitchx |
| 09:55.34 | SynrG | chalcedony: that might've used an entirely different driver that didn't have this issue. |
| 09:55.39 | chalcedony | hehe |
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| 09:55.48 | chalcedony | well it was squeeze |
| 09:55.57 | SynrG | so i'm not going to even speculate |
| 09:56.00 | chalcedony | what's the command to find out my hardware? |
| 09:56.08 | SynrG | we did that. the lspci? |
| 09:56.14 | SynrG | and you pasted the results. |
| 09:56.19 | SynrG | oh ... for the monitor itself? |
| 09:56.30 | chalcedony | thats the card.. monitors? |
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| 09:57.15 | shingouz | gerforce: from the package description, you might want to check out pork |
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| 09:57.39 | SynrG | chalcedony: look for a model# printed on the monitor. |
| 09:58.28 | chalcedony | Sync Master #2420 |
| 09:58.35 | chalcedony | Sync Master E2420 |
| 09:58.49 | chalcedony | emachines hd monitor .. 2 |
| 09:59.22 | shingouz | chalcedony: maybe read-edid would help? i believe you are trying to extract the edid information off your screen |
| 10:00.17 | chalcedony | that's just what they say on the bezel |
| 10:00.18 | SynrG | if the driver fails, i doubt if read-edid helps |
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| 10:00.30 | SynrG | you could try it, though |
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| 10:03.12 | SynrG | http://images10.newegg.com/User-Manual/User_Manual_24-001-439.pdf |
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| 10:03.47 | SynrG | page 179, sync horizontal: 30 ~ 81 kHz, vertical: 56 ~ 75 Hz |
| 10:04.51 | SynrG | it claims "Optimum resolution / Maximum resolution" 1920 x 1080 @60Hz |
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| 10:05.04 | SynrG | but i find anything @ 60 to be headache-inducing ... |
| 10:05.52 | SynrG | oh. this is LCD, though |
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| 10:05.55 | trewas | LCDs don't flicker like CRTs so refresh rate is quite irrelevant, and they also don't need that kind of configuration usually |
| 10:05.57 | SynrG | probably OK, then |
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| 10:06.12 | chalcedony | trewas, hi |
| 10:06.18 | _spm_Draget | Is there some default toolchain metapackage? Where things like cmake/make gcc etc. are in there? |
| 10:06.29 | SynrG | trewas: yeah, except in the case of broken EDID |
| 10:06.37 | formorer | _spm_Draget: build-essential |
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| 10:06.44 | formorer | but cmake isn't part of that. |
| 10:06.54 | SynrG | chalcedony: if EDID is failing, there will be evidence in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 10:06.56 | _spm_Draget | Thanks |
| 10:06.58 | _spm_Draget | Oka |
| 10:07.11 | chalcedony | SynrG, ok let me look |
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| 10:10.39 | jbrelin | Can someone here point me in the right direction to discuss an insane wifi situation? |
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| 10:11.01 | chalcedony | SynrG, paste.debian.net/105424/ |
| 10:11.23 | chalcedony | jbanier_, this seems like the night for complex issues |
| 10:11.31 | chalcedony | er jbrelin |
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| 10:13.25 | jbrelin | Well, mine just makes absolutely no sense. Shall I spill it here? |
| 10:13.40 | SynrG | chalcedony: it does seem to be getting the EDID info for SME2420L just fine |
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| 10:13.53 | chalcedony | SynrG, good |
| 10:14.14 | chalcedony | it seems to be detcting both monitors.. just not making them one screen |
| 10:14.33 | SynrG | the proprietary driver has its own "special" controls for that |
| 10:14.46 | SynrG | up until right now, i didn't know you were dealing with a multihead issue. |
| 10:14.51 | chalcedony | ahh |
| 10:15.07 | chalcedony | i'm very sorry i wasn't clear |
| 10:15.11 | SynrG | aticonfig should do "magic" ... |
| 10:15.12 | chalcedony | it's headachy |
| 10:15.27 | chalcedony | want me to try that? |
| 10:15.36 | SynrG | if the magic doesn't work for you, and the doc doesn't help ... see #ati |
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| 10:15.40 | SynrG | they may be able to help |
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| 10:15.52 | SynrG | as i said, *zero* experience on my part with fglrx. |
| 10:16.24 | jbrelin | I have a Belkin router with essid B (for simplicity) and my upstairs neighbor has a Linksys with essid P. Both use 192.168.1 networks. |
| 10:16.28 | SynrG | i prefer the free driver and it has worked well for me with wheezy (mind you, my legacy card is not multihead, but i have no reason to believe it wouldn't work, except for the aforementioned EDID wrangling) |
| 10:16.48 | SynrG | and that EDID wrangling is probably only needed because i have an ancient CRT |
| 10:16.54 | chalcedony | SynrG, i'm very grateful for your help :) |
| 10:17.14 | chalcedony | 'aticonfig' gives me more than my buffer filled with info |
| 10:17.44 | jbrelin | I connect to B, auto credentials, gives me 172.16.0 address. Weird. Reconnect: same. Can't get a 192.168.1 address. But I can ping 192.168.1.1. Sure enough, upstairs neighbor's router. |
| 10:18.15 | gerforce | shingouz:apt-cache search bitchx i get the answer pork |
| 10:18.16 | jbrelin | Delete all configuration and forget all networks. Same thing. Log in with my credentials, get a 172.16.0 address and can connect to upstairs router on 192.168.1.1. |
| 10:18.22 | SynrG | chalcedony: you're using a VGA connector for this, not DisplayPort? (I assume that's what DFP1 is ...) |
| 10:18.32 | gerforce | man pork |
| 10:19.04 | chalcedony | SynrG, the SyncMaster is on vga the emachines is on HDMI |
| 10:19.12 | shingouz | gerforce: as i mentioned earlier, the description says it is based on ircII (like bitchx was), so it should look familiar |
| 10:19.14 | SynrG | yeah |
| 10:19.48 | SynrG | chalcedony: did you say "xrandr" didn't give you output? |
| 10:20.10 | chalcedony | SynrG, it does, but it didn't like the sizes |
| 10:20.30 | SynrG | <chalcedony> what i know is that xradr doesn't work for me here |
| 10:20.33 | SynrG | hmm |
| 10:20.48 | SynrG | so, "doesn't work" is not a useful description of the problem :) |
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| 10:20.55 | chalcedony | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.02 | SynrG | gotcha |
| 10:21.13 | SynrG | so it has a virtual display size that does not accommodate both displays |
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| 10:21.35 | chalcedony | SynrG, apparently so |
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| 10:21.58 | SynrG | it may be that there is some parameter that aticonfig isn't automatically generating that would resize the virtual display size ... |
| 10:22.06 | SynrG | so it could actually include both displays |
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| 10:22.51 | SynrG | so, armed with this, and google ... |
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| 10:23.42 | SynrG | this is very old, and not for Debian, but may contain useful clues: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=262309 |
| 10:24.21 | gerforce | shingouz: get it! Thanks |
| 10:24.27 | gerforce | s |
| 10:24.34 | SynrG | obviously you ignore anything there that is fedora-specific. |
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| 10:25.31 | SynrG | chalcedony: the salient point is that by putting a proper Screen > Display > Virtual in your xorg.conf, you may be able to fix it. |
| 10:25.41 | chalcedony | hmm ok |
| 10:25.57 | chalcedony | SynrG, i'm sure grateful for your help. i was so lost! |
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| 10:26.35 | SynrG | so, good luck with this. and i hope this helps |
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| 10:29.35 | SynrG | chalcedony: also, "very old" may be precisely what you need, considering you're using the legacy fglrx. so here's hoping :) |
| 10:29.43 | chalcedony | hehe |
| 10:29.46 | chalcedony | looking |
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| 10:30.15 | chalcedony | can we get it to stop asking me to login every time it blanks the screen? |
| 10:30.33 | SynrG | yeah, that's a desktop setting ... |
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| 10:30.56 | SynrG | should be a choice of lock or 'blank' |
| 10:31.05 | SynrG | maybe not in earlier versions of gnome3. dunno |
| 10:31.29 | chalcedony | i'm visually impaired, i can't find things in gnome3 .. not sure what i'm going to do |
| 10:31.38 | SynrG | (if not, then definitely can change this in dconf-editor) |
| 10:31.49 | SynrG | argh. get a sighted person to help? |
| 10:31.59 | chalcedony | can we get it back to my gnome? |
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| 10:32.22 | SynrG | chalcedony: explain? |
| 10:32.24 | chalcedony | and or tell me where things are? |
| 10:32.51 | chalcedony | desktop setting - where exactly? |
| 10:32.55 | SynrG | hm. let me see if i can find a command-line way to query/set this |
| 10:33.08 | chalcedony | sweet, thanks |
| 10:33.19 | SynrG | assuming dconf-editor is the way, i can just look up the one that looks relevant ... |
| 10:33.20 | chalcedony | if i know where it is maybe i can learn the new way |
| 10:33.24 | SynrG | dconf does have a CLI |
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| 10:35.36 | Otyugh | How would I disable password for system user ? |
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| 10:36.31 | SynrG | org.gnome.desktop.lock-enabled, org.gnome.desktop.idle-activation-enabled |
| 10:36.39 | SynrG | chalcedony: ^^ those two might help. both are boolean |
| 10:37.33 | SynrG | chalcedony: dconf-tools contains the CLI |
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| 10:38.30 | shingouz | Otyugh: you could conceivably use a blank password for root, but that would be a Really Seriously Bad Idea That Should Never Be Done ® |
| 10:39.02 | Otyugh | shingouz: and you are right, that's not what I'm asking |
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| 10:39.37 | Otyugh | I want to disable login on a specific user, nothng to do with blank password or root accound, actually x) |
| 10:40.16 | SynrG | chalcedony: argh. i left one part out of the path, and the path syntax uses slashes, not dots :) |
| 10:40.29 | SynrG | chalcedony: echo $(dconf read /org/gnome/desktop/screensaver/lock-enabled) |
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| 10:41.26 | SynrG | chalcedony: and: dconf write /org/gnome/desktop/screensaver/lock-enabled false |
| 10:41.29 | chalcedony | heh ok let me try that.. iceweasel has no clue ;) |
| 10:42.14 | SynrG | chalcedony: iceweasel? ... |
| 10:42.21 | shingouz | Otyugh: i am not sure if this would be correct, se man nologin. i have not tried it, but i believe that would stop $user from logging in |
| 10:42.35 | shingouz | s/se/see/ |
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| 10:43.16 | Walex | Otyugh: 'man passwd' |
| 10:44.07 | Walex | Otyugh: read carefully the hint about 'usermod' there |
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| 10:45.35 | chalcedony | SynrG, that looks like it worked |
| 10:45.37 | Seb | Otyugh: set his login shell to /bin/false, via chsh |
| 10:45.39 | chalcedony | thank you :) |
| 10:45.47 | SynrG | chalcedony: np |
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| 10:46.21 | petern_ | Hmm, using gnome 3, is there a way to maximise a window across all monitors instead of just one? |
| 10:46.33 | SynrG | chalcedony: also you may find this useful for other settings: "dconf dump /org/gnome/desktop/" (the final slash is important). but that's for a different problem at a different time ;) |
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| 10:47.21 | chalcedony | petern_, you aren't the first to ask that, today :) |
| 10:47.30 | petern_ | o_O |
| 10:47.32 | petern_ | was there an answer? :D |
| 10:48.07 | SynrG | petern_: heh. well, with chalcedony we're working on an fglrx legacy specific issue with that. |
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| 10:48.59 | SynrG | but as for the general problem, "how do i get gnome3 to do this?" i have no idea. i've always either just used xrandr, or if i wanted a graphical interface, arandr. |
| 10:49.17 | SynrG | as for chalcedony's problem, it's an Xserver issue, not a gnome3 issue. |
| 10:49.52 | petern_ | sounds like a different thing |
| 10:49.56 | SynrG | yup |
| 10:50.07 | SynrG | gnome3 may have stupid defaults for what the "video" key does ... |
| 10:50.11 | SynrG | that doesn't include the layout you want |
| 10:50.17 | SynrG | i dunno |
| 10:50.26 | SynrG | did you cycle through some possible layouts with gnome? |
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| 10:51.37 | petern_ | Uh... don't know what you mean. |
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| 10:52.02 | SynrG | if you have a laptop, there is a "video" key. if you have a desktop, there may be one also ... depends on the keyboard ... |
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| 10:52.20 | SynrG | pressing it multiple times just cycles through the possible layouts. |
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| 10:52.39 | SynrG | failing that, i dunno. i'd have to boot a system with gnome3 and see :) |
| 10:52.48 | petern_ | Oh... again, not my problem :) |
| 10:53.55 | SynrG | petern_: oh, maximize across ... i get your meaning |
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| 10:53.59 | petern_ | I have a triple monitor desktop that works fine, maximises to individual monitors which is normal. Just occasionally I want to make a window stretch across the whole lot, and I'm feeling too lazy to just manually stretch :D |
| 10:54.02 | SynrG | yes, yes |
| 10:54.15 | SynrG | no clue. giyf |
| 10:54.53 | karlpinc | FYI, mime-construct does a pretty good job. |
| 10:55.03 | SynrG | i have no gnome3 multihead with which to experiment |
| 10:55.17 | SynrG | well, technically i do, but it would be super awkward to set it up |
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| 10:56.35 | SynrG | petern_: it may be that with the gnome3 in stable (3.4) support for multihead is a bit primitive ... |
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| 10:57.09 | SynrG | and this may have improved in newer gnome3 releases. |
| 10:57.34 | petern_ | It is a little primitive, but I think doing this is not really usual, and gnome don't like to cater to anything odd these days... heh |
| 10:58.21 | SynrG | yeah |
| 10:58.40 | SynrG | it probably thinks maximizing across multiple monitors is not what the user wants |
| 10:58.46 | SynrG | and "i'm right, damnit" |
| 10:58.55 | SynrG | which is a fairly typical gnome3 attitude ;) |
| 10:59.14 | SynrG | if you've hit the wall on this, gnome3 might not be for you |
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| 11:00.46 | SynrG | petern_: on the other hand, if you go spelunking deep in the bowels of dconf, you might come up with some obscure knob ... |
| 11:01.03 | SynrG | wouldn't count on it, though |
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| 11:04.55 | petern_ | Pretty sure this isn't built in to any of the big desktops, and probably not the small WMs either. |
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| 11:06.19 | SynrG | petern_: there's no reason X shouldn't allow it, though. |
| 11:06.53 | SynrG | petern_: so long as you have a DE or WM that doesn't actively work against it, there ought to be some solution |
| 11:07.01 | Walex | petern_: SynrG: the window manager you use may have a bindable primitive for "maximize across all screens" as well as "mazimize to screen", some do. |
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| 11:13.30 | petern_ | Hmm, I forgot this, but by default gnome 3 removes the normal minimize and maximize buttons anyway... o_O |
| 11:13.42 | sveta | it is fine, you can re-add them |
| 11:14.00 | petern_ | Yes I'm aware. |
| 11:14.03 | sveta | no desktop comes with psychic defaults, it is a hard task |
| 11:14.27 | sveta | a bit sad but desktops require Effort to start looking even remotely pretty |
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| 11:14.34 | petern_ | Most desktops don't come with insane defaults though :) |
| 11:15.23 | OpenTokix | petern_: That is however one of the new features of windows 8.1 - so maybe it is a trend |
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| 11:17.57 | SynrG | one person's "insane" is another's "visionary". but this is getting OT :) |
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| 11:19.38 | Tarrasquero | hi |
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| 11:22.28 | leex | hi |
| 11:22.58 | leex | hi/topic |
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| 11:24.34 | leex | I am having a weird issue, I just connected to a wifi (wpa_supplicant and dhclient) and now when I run hostname I get "itsec-245" but cat /etc/hostname yields: "whiskey" |
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| 11:25.06 | leex | any idea how that happened? and yes 245 is the last part of my IP |
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| 11:26.47 | Walex | leex: Avahi probably |
| 11:27.00 | Walex | leex: alternatively DHCP |
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| 11:27.08 | voidvoid | hello |
| 11:27.19 | leex | Walex: never happened to me before |
| 11:27.20 | Walex | leex: read carefully 'man dhclient' |
| 11:27.30 | voidvoid | somebody know a tool cool something like centryfc to add my debian int oa windows domain ? |
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| 11:27.45 | leex | Walex: has to be dhclient because avahi is not installed ;) |
| 11:28.00 | Walex | leex: then 'man dhclient.conf' in particular. |
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| 11:29.32 | leex | Walex: I guess it the line request ... host-name ... |
| 11:29.56 | leex | Walex: thanks for the hint :) |
| 11:31.01 | Walex | leex: yes, that one most likely. You can choose which options to request and which not. |
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| 11:31.22 | leex | I will just remove it and try it again |
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| 11:33.14 | grslkmn | hi, i have debian wheezy gnome-shell and want to recieve files via bluetooth from my smartphone. i can send from pc to phone but not from phone to pc. phone says could not send file to pc, pc says nothing. devices are paired. can anyone help? |
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| 11:34.08 | leex | Walex: thanks! That fixed it :) |
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| 11:46.10 | giovi_321 | hi everybody |
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| 11:46.43 | giovi_321 | I just connected a rs232 to usb converter to my debian machine |
| 11:46.53 | giovi_321 | but I get this error from syslog: usb 1-1.4: usbfs: interface 0 claimed by ftdi_sio while 'brltty' sets config #1 |
| 11:47.08 | giovi_321 | and I am unable to use the device |
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| 11:47.42 | jackbrown | hello |
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| 11:48.44 | roventa | yesterday i tryed this site www.SoccerTips4Sure.com and i won nice money |
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| 11:49.19 | Walex | giovi_321: thanks for letting us know :-) |
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| 11:50.02 | Walex | giovi_321: isn't 'brltty' the module for Braille-text conversion? |
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| 11:51.14 | giovi_321 | Walex I have no idea! |
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| 11:57.51 | adamm | yesterday i tryed this site www.SoccerTips4Sure.com and i won nice money |
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| 12:07.28 | waydot | hello, did anyone experience any network encapsulation issues with 3.2.57-3+deb7u2 ? |
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| 12:12.10 | dimonax | Anyone here use KMS for changing console resolution AFTER boot? |
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| 12:19.25 | dimonax | is trying to figure out how to adjust his console resolution |
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| 12:23.08 | horsik | i have trouble installing Proggy Clean bitmap font |
| 12:23.33 | horsik | it is listed by fc-list but xfontsel cannot see it |
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| 12:24.21 | Walex | horsik: they are two different font systems |
| 12:24.51 | jelly | horsik: did you put it somewhere in X server font path, ran "mkfontdir" in there and issued "xset fp rehash"? |
| 12:25.03 | Walex | horsik: with different configurations. Check 'man mkfontdir' and related |
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| 12:25.34 | horsik | jelly: i've put it into .fonts |
| 12:25.46 | horsik | i have no trouble installing other bitmap fonts like terminus |
| 12:26.06 | Walex | horsik: if you know better, good luck. |
| 12:26.14 | horsik | ? |
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| 12:28.18 | jelly | horsik: as far as I know, builtin X font server does not read $HOME/.fonts |
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| 12:28.53 | jelly | horsik: you can read its FontPath from the X server log: awk '/FontPath/{print; s=1; next} /^\t/&&s{print} /^[^\t]/&&s{exit}' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:29.43 | alocer | How can i know what poing realease i am using ? 7.x ? |
| 12:30.10 | jelly | dpkg, tell alocer about debian suite |
| 12:31.05 | jelly | horsik: which font format is this and where can it be downloaded from? |
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| 12:31.58 | horsik | jelly: X have only /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc specified |
| 12:32.15 | horsik | do i have to restart the server every time i add new fonts? |
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| 12:32.42 | jelly | horsik: you have to: you put it somewhere in X server font path, ran "mkfontdir" in there and run "xset fp rehash" |
| 12:32.58 | horsik | okay i'll try |
| 12:33.15 | jelly | has a feeling of deja vu |
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| 12:35.19 | horsik | i'm afraid nothing changed |
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| 12:40.10 | horsik | it sees all the pcf.gz fonts but fails with .fon |
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| 12:42.05 | jelly | horsik: .fon sounds like a windows bitmap format, what does file say about them? |
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| 12:43.52 | horsik | jelly: it's windows |
| 12:43.56 | SixtyFold | anyone know why when i do a sudo apt-get update, it keeps trying to check my cdrom for repos? |
| 12:44.35 | jelly | horsik: there you go. |
| 12:44.55 | jelly | horsik: they have to be either bdf or pcf |
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| 12:46.41 | horsik | i think there's none |
| 12:46.44 | horsik | oh well |
| 12:46.51 | horsik | anyway thanks for help jelly |
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| 12:49.28 | jelly | googles fon2pcf and finds irc logs from 2007 |
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| 12:51.13 | buu | Hrm. Should a gigE port be able to send and receive 1gbps at the same time? And how would you tell.. |
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| 12:51.29 | horsik | i'll just stick to the terminus |
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| 12:51.36 | OpenTokix | buu: yes, but depends on the nic in question |
| 12:51.37 | jelly | buu: theoretically yes. In practice, 900Mbps ful duplex is very good |
| 12:51.48 | OpenTokix | what jelly said |
| 12:52.15 | buu | jelly: Do all nics support full duplex? |
| 12:52.31 | jelly | buu: yes. |
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| 12:52.39 | buu | oh |
| 12:52.48 | buu | Hrm. |
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| 12:53.09 | jelly | full duplex merely means "send and receive at the same time" |
| 12:53.24 | buu | I meant, do all nics support 1gbps at the same time |
| 12:53.30 | buu | All gigE nics. |
| 12:53.34 | buu | Or something close to it. |
| 12:54.21 | petern_ | At the same time as what? |
| 12:54.26 | jelly | buu: no. There are cheap chips, there are chips connected to buses with insufficient bandwidth, there are drivers that eat a lot of cpu |
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| 12:54.45 | jelly | petern_: tx and rx at the same time. |
| 12:54.47 | buu | For example, I have wan -> router -> switch -> { box1, box2 }; when box1 sends, via samba, at 100mbps+ to box2, its receive speed from the wan drops to like 80kbps (from 4-10mbps) |
| 12:55.05 | buu | er |
| 12:55.12 | buu | Both of those should be MBps |
| 12:55.41 | jelly | buu: test connectivity between box1 and box2 with iperf. |
| 12:56.22 | buu | jelly: Ok, but how does that help with the wan connection? |
| 12:56.28 | petern_ | Yeah, there are multiple places for bottlenecks. |
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| 12:57.23 | jelly | buu: it will establish whether the chip just can't do both at the same time, or whether there's some other possibly fixable issue |
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| 12:57.42 | buu | oh |
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| 12:58.08 | buu | jelly: Sorry, do you mean run an instance if iperf client and server on both machines? |
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| 12:58.18 | jelly | buu: correct |
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| 12:58.51 | jelly | buu: er, there's no need for that, make one a client and the other server, and use relevant options |
| 12:59.17 | buu | Oh hey, it has a -d option =] |
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| 12:59.43 | jelly | buu: also make sure you use a large enough tcp window size |
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| 13:00.00 | jelly | *may require sysctl tuning |
| 13:00.23 | buu | Um, with the standard stuff I get: one connection at 934mbps and one at 292mbps |
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| 13:00.55 | buu | The 294 is receive |
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| 13:02.58 | buu | I can't get the tcp window size above 256k with the iperf options but none of the sizes below that seem to make any difference. |
| 13:04.48 | buu | I have no idea what any of this means. |
| 13:04.50 | jelly | buu: that's probably expected from a cheap gigabit chip without further tuning, 110MB one way, 40MB the other |
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| 13:05.21 | buu | jelly: So why would it kill my wan connection? |
| 13:05.22 | jelly | eg. realtek stuff or cheap bcom |
| 13:05.30 | buu | Yeah its onboard nic |
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| 13:05.53 | buu | Intel Corporation 82579V Gigabit |
| 13:05.56 | jelly | servers and thinkpads also have "onboard" but those are usually decent |
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| 13:06.20 | fender0107401 | hi all, how to check which package depends on package foo. |
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| 13:06.37 | buu | Try to uninstall it! |
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| 13:06.58 | jelly | fender0107401: which installed package, or whether any packages in repo depend on it? |
| 13:07.01 | fender0107401 | is there some other ways??? |
| 13:07.08 | buu | jelly: So if it can receive at 40MB why would my download drop so low? |
| 13:07.56 | jelly | buu: because tcp acks are queued with those other 900Mbps tx packets |
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| 13:08.31 | jelly | fender0107401: a simple check for the former: aptitude why foo |
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| 13:09.11 | fender0107401 | I will try |
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| 13:10.41 | buu | jelly: Ohhhhhh, of course. |
| 13:10.56 | buu | jelly: I don't suppose you happen to have a simple solution handy? =] |
| 13:11.04 | fishsponge | hello! does anyone know how to filter emails that come to the inbox into a certain folder? I know how to do it in Thunderbird, Outlook, etc... but is there a way to do it automatically on the server itself? |
| 13:11.13 | zoujunc | quit |
| 13:11.18 | jelly | buu: might try wondershaper |
| 13:11.49 | buu | Ok. |
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| 13:17.13 | arun_ | hey guys I have a problem with the reprepro please help me fix it says W: GPG error: http://localhost khukuri InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY C9E5109BDB59C9D6 |
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| 13:17.51 | jelly | fishsponge: yes, depending on the local deilvery agent (LDA) used on the server. For example, Dovecot has support for Sieve (see dovecot-sieve and dovecot-managesieved packages). |
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| 13:19.00 | arun_ | hey guys I have a problem with the reprepro please help me fix it says W: GPG error: http://localhost khukuri InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY C9E5109BDB59C9D6 |
| 13:24.38 | arun_ | Anyone there? |
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| 13:24.55 | formorer | and where is the reprepro related problem? |
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| 13:28.20 | Walex | arun_: web search will tell you what to do. |
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| 13:29.41 | arun_ | Walex: I had tried that but that thing made me crack , is there a bit easy guide ?? |
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| 13:30.02 | arun_ | forcer: the error is at the up !!! when I do sudo apt-get update that error comes |
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| 13:45.46 | bsilvao666 | Hi |
| 13:45.47 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to get the more traditional grub2 bootloader look in debian? |
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| 13:46.01 | JyZyXEL | so that the fancy graphics modes are disabled and there is no background image |
| 13:46.08 | jelly | JyZyXEL: /etc/default/grub |
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| 13:46.48 | jelly | JyZyXEL: run update-grub after doing the # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal |
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| 13:47.07 | JyZyXEL | # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only) |
| 13:47.10 | JyZyXEL | grub-pc only? |
| 13:47.18 | jelly | yes. |
| 13:47.22 | JyZyXEL | im using grub-efi |
| 13:47.28 | JyZyXEL | same thing? |
| 13:47.33 | jelly | no idea |
| 13:47.40 | jelly | try it and see? |
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| 13:47.51 | JyZyXEL | i guess so |
| 13:48.27 | themill | it's whatever we call bios these days that does much of that efi boot menu stuff |
| 13:48.47 | jelly | probably including setting a fancy graphical mode |
| 13:49.05 | JyZyXEL | i think the fancy graphics stuff is related to a kernel bug i found :\ |
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| 13:49.33 | weqewewqew | hello |
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| 13:50.44 | weqewewqew | if i have file which has this structude user.name\nuser.address\nlocation.name\nlocation.whatever , how can i get only one line for user. and one for location. |
| 13:50.45 | voidvoid | hello |
| 13:50.51 | weqewewqew | i have tried uniq |
| 13:50.57 | weqewewqew | but don't work as expected |
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| 13:51.14 | CodePulsar | of |
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| 13:51.26 | voidvoid | ive installed debian 7.5 in one of the computers of an employee he's in sudoers but when i try to shutdown the pc it ask for the root pass |
| 13:51.43 | voidvoid | is there any way to take it off ? |
| 13:51.52 | voidvoid | to make he can turn off the pc ?? |
| 13:52.08 | themill | weqewewqew: it would be useful to put working example of both the input you have and output you want in a pastebin |
| 13:52.41 | themill | voidvoid: which "it" is asking for the root password? |
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| 13:54.01 | weqewewqew | themill: http://pastie.org/9299161 |
| 13:54.58 | themill | weqewewqew: I can't see any algorithm that could make that output from that input... |
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| 13:55.39 | weqewewqew | themill: i can split each line by . and get the first value then run uniq on them |
| 13:56.07 | themill | but how do you choose what's after the . ? |
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| 13:57.18 | weqewewqew | themill: not important but i did it cat file | awk -F'.' '{print $1}' | uniq | wc -l |
| 13:57.26 | weqewewqew | that's what i did |
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| 13:57.37 | weqewewqew | thanks themill |
| 13:58.01 | themill | looks confused |
| 13:58.02 | bsilvao666 | hello |
| 13:58.46 | JyZyXEL | GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=1 seems to be broken |
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| 13:58.59 | JyZyXEL | after setting that, the submenus are still being generated |
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| 14:00.38 | jelly | JyZyXEL: which debian release is that anyway |
| 14:00.49 | JyZyXEL | oh wait, it needs to be set to 'y' |
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| 14:00.55 | jelly | I think I've only seen submenus in jessie |
| 14:01.11 | JyZyXEL | jessie/sid uses submenus by default |
| 14:01.17 | jelly | or maybe I got rid of grub on this machine |
| 14:01.56 | jelly | JyZyXEL: do we have to point you to the right channel for jessie? |
| 14:02.03 | JyZyXEL | yes please |
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| 14:02.42 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 14:02.42 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 14:02.56 | jelly | JyZyXEL: note it's a different irc network |
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| 14:04.03 | xiqsjvfy | Any idea why #debian-next on Freenode is invite only? |
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| 14:05.04 | themill | xiqsjvfy: because the channel is not on this network |
| 14:05.07 | jelly | xiqsjvfy: the real channel is NOT on freenode any more! |
| 14:05.54 | bsilvao666 | hello guys |
| 14:05.57 | xiqsjvfy | I know, but it seems strange that there is a #debian on both OFTC and Freenode, but #debian-next is only on OFTC. |
| 14:06.25 | jelly | xiqsjvfy: there's also a zillion more #debian* channels on OFTC, it's Debian's official network |
| 14:06.46 | jelly | it also answers to irc.debian.org |
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| 14:35.54 | Sbroker` | . |
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| 14:36.07 | qu | xen-system is too out-of-date for me to use, even in Sid. I need at least 4.4. Do I have to compile, or is there another alternative? |
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| 14:36.55 | OpenTokix | qu: you should think long and hard on why you need 4.4 and then compile it if you need it. |
| 14:37.13 | __marco | hello, apt-cache reports only version 10 of icedove when it should report version 24 |
| 14:37.38 | themill | __marco: which release of debian is this? |
| 14:37.44 | __marco | wheezy |
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| 14:38.01 | __marco | themill: 990 http://http.debian.net/debian/ stable/main amd64 Packages |
| 14:38.07 | __marco | *** 10.0.12-1 0 |
| 14:38.39 | themill | __marco: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" for us |
| 14:38.41 | formorer | __marco: are you missing wheezy-security in your sources.list? |
| 14:39.06 | qu | OpenTokix: Yes, the maintainer has removed qemu-xen-traditional, so there is no longer any VGA passthru support in Debian. Must have this. Yet as usual, the maintaner is behind ith newer releases in this rapidly-evolving software. |
| 14:39.06 | __marco | formorer: no, I'll paste the sources.list file in a moment |
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| 14:39.16 | themill | __marco: also, please use "wheezy" and not "stable" in your sources.list to save nasty surprises. |
| 14:39.33 | themill | dpkg: tell __marco about wheezy sources.list |
| 14:39.42 | OpenTokix | qu: ok |
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| 14:41.22 | __marco | themill: formorer: http://paste.debian.net/105471/ |
| 14:41.49 | formorer | no security |
| 14:42.55 | __marco | yep |
| 14:42.58 | __marco | thanks |
| 14:43.22 | __marco | I don't know why it is commented |
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| 14:44.18 | __marco | formorer: themill thanks |
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| 15:08.30 | gsdfgdfg | Hello |
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| 15:10.15 | gsdfgdfg | I tried two methods mentioned for setting up debian to be installable from a usb flash drive |
| 15:10.26 | gsdfgdfg | One was using cp the other dd |
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| 15:11.05 | gsdfgdfg | It works with the other motherboard here, but not for the motherboard I am currently using |
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| 15:13.02 | ksk | then it probably does not support booting from usb, and is like 15+ years old, gsdfgdfg? |
| 15:13.27 | gsdfgdfg | Right now I am burning a cd of debian to see if that will work. The error I get is isolinux.bin is missing or corrupt |
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| 15:14.16 | gsdfgdfg | It said 1995-2002, so I guess that must be it |
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| 15:14.30 | petn-randall | gsdfgdfg: That's the typical error you get when you *don't* use cp/dd to create the image. You sure you copied it to the base of the device, and not accidently into the first partition? |
| 15:14.42 | gsdfgdfg | Maybe it will work from cd then, I installed Ubuntu from cd so it must |
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| 15:18.13 | gsdfgdfg | The commands I used are: |
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| 15:18.16 | gsdfgdfg | 'sudo dd if=/home/ray/debian-7.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=16k' |
| 15:18.19 | gsdfgdfg | and |
| 15:18.32 | gsdfgdfg | 'sudo cp debian-7.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso /dev/sdb' |
| 15:18.43 | gsdfgdfg | without single quotes of coarse |
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| 15:20.23 | gsdfgdfg | I also tried Startup Disk Creator which people said wouldn't work for debian but only Ubuntu and they were right, but I just had to check just in case |
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| 15:21.11 | gsdfgdfg | Well, I misunderstand what people say very much so, it wasn't so clear to me what they said regarding that, but what ever |
| 15:21.26 | gsdfgdfg | I will be back after testing this cd |
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| 15:24.18 | voidvoid | ive installed debian 7.5 in one of the computers of an employee he's in sudoers but when i try to shutdown the pc it ask for the root pass |
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| 15:27.10 | gsdfgdfg | Hello again |
| 15:27.17 | gsdfgdfg | It works from cd |
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| 15:29.32 | gsdfgdfg | I'm tired, I need to hit the sack and rest, I've been trying to figure this out for several hours now |
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| 15:38.56 | petn-randall | voidvoid: If you run 'sudo shutdown -h now' it should ask for your password. |
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| 15:45.11 | jhutchins | Isn't there a "powerdev" or some such group that allows the user to shut down (ie from a GUI)? |
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| 15:46.43 | jhutchins | Hm, doesn't seem to be on wheezy... |
| 15:46.53 | jhutchins | No sudo setup either. |
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| 15:47.16 | shingouz | yes there is. policykit-1 and consolekit are the ones that work too. |
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| 15:53.41 | jhutchins | I don't have gnome (xfce), my user is in audio netdev scan and there's nothing in sudo. |
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| 15:59.44 | caraconan | Hi there. I'm consider installing icedove. Question: it is true that they go various versions behind Thunderbird? |
| 16:00.42 | centrx | caraconan, Debian stable uses the extended support release of the Mozilla software |
| 16:01.06 | caraconan | centrx: I'm using Debian testing |
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| 16:02.20 | centrx | caraconan, Right now testing has version 24.5, but version 30.0 is in unstable so a newer version will end up in testing |
| 16:02.38 | caraconan | centrx: ok, thanks |
| 16:03.01 | jelly | centrx: 24.5 is ESR release. There may be a newer ESR branch by the time jessie's frozen |
| 16:03.04 | caraconan | And I know that polls are not welcomed, but any opinion here regarding pros and cons of icedove vs evolution? |
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| 16:03.40 | centrx | jelly, Yeah, they might upgrade to the next ESR after release too |
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| 16:05.35 | nabblet_ | hi, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade The following packages have been kept back: gstreamer1.0-alsa gstreamer1.0-plugins-base libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 |
| 16:05.48 | jelly | !bat |
| 16:05.49 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:05.53 | nabblet_ | why are packages held back even if i dist-upgrade? |
| 16:06.09 | HicksD | If you're using icedove from testing, bear in mind it has open security issues that are fixed in stable 24.6.0-1 and either fixed or will be soon in sid. |
| 16:06.11 | jelly | nabblet_: follow the instructions above, please |
| 16:06.13 | petn-randall | nabblet_: See the message from dpkg |
| 16:06.26 | HicksD | Was also a security update for iceweasel recently. |
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| 16:07.28 | HicksD | https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2960 |
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| 16:08.55 | JIV | << current policy: frequency should be within 800 MHz and 800 MHz. << can someone help me with this? |
| 16:09.08 | JIV | available frequency steps: 2.00 GHz, 2.00 GHz, 1.60 GHz, 1.20 GHz, 800 MHz |
| 16:10.53 | nabblet_ | jelly: petn-randall http://paste.debian.net/105494/ |
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| 16:13.14 | jelly | nabblet_: wheezy-backports enabled, and somehow your system thinks those do not get upgraded automatically |
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| 16:14.06 | jelly | nabblet_: do you have a non-empty /etc/apt/preferences* ? |
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| 16:15.02 | nabblet_ | jelly: i have folder preferences.d, its empty |
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| 16:16.34 | shingouz | !tell voidvoid about consolekit shutdown |
| 16:16.50 | jelly | nabblet_: what happens if you apt-get -t wheezy-backports -s dist-upgrade? |
| 16:16.52 | shingouz | voidvoid: that should help a little |
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| 16:19.46 | nabblet_ | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/105496/ |
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| 16:20.42 | jelly | alright, that was NOT a good idea |
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| 16:21.19 | nabblet_ | jelly: well, it was -s |
| 16:21.22 | nabblet_ | simulate |
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| 16:22.07 | jelly | nabblet_: I don't have any more ideas, someone more clueful in apt or aptitude ways might come online soon |
| 16:22.25 | nabblet_ | jelly: thank you. i have to leave anyway. |
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| 16:22.57 | nabblet_ | jelly: and why not run the command you suggested w/o -s ? |
| 16:23.05 | nabblet_ | as it seems somehow my system lags behind |
| 16:23.11 | nabblet_ | with updates |
| 16:23.49 | nabblet_ | i just wonder why it would install 93 packages newly |
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| 16:24.00 | nabblet_ | anyway. thank you jelly |
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| 16:27.23 | JIV | ok i fixed it myself :P http://www.woolie.co.uk/article/dell-laptop-stuck-800mhz-linux-fix/ |
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| 16:39.57 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 16:40.45 | mcgreg | I have compiled a kernel from git by doing make deb-pkg - it compiled / installed fine but now I am getting a kernel panik when it tried to boot the kernel -> http://picpaste.de/pics/20140617_054853-uHevWq6e.1403023186.jpg# |
| 16:40.49 | mcgreg | http://picpaste.de/pics/20140617_054853-uHevWq6e.1403023186.jpg |
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| 16:41.15 | mcgreg | can somebody have a short look and tell me what could be wrong? |
| 16:41.24 | centrx | Did you try the init= option? |
| 16:41.56 | mcgreg | no, I have no idea what I could do with that |
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| 16:52.51 | centrx | mcgreg, The kernel launches process 0, the init process, when it is finished loading. |
| 16:53.07 | centrx | mcgreg, I suppose that must be specified on the command that launches the kernel |
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| 16:56.28 | mjt | process 0? There's no process with pid=0. The "main" process has pid=1. (But it is not the first process started by the kernel) |
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| 17:01.39 | centrx | ^^ |
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| 17:04.00 | petn-randall | +1, hehehe |
| 17:04.15 | otyugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.44 | mjt | otyugh: most likely these conffiles belongs to another package (such as nginx-common or something) |
| 17:06.30 | mjt | or, rather, nginx-light or nginx-full |
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| 17:07.58 | mjt | since nginx by itsel does not have any conffiles. Besides, purging a package really purges its config files, so if you had to manually purge /etc/nginx/ anyway, this tells you that you didn't purge the right thing |
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| 17:10.54 | otyugh | mjt: argh |
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| 17:11.12 | otyugh | I really don't get this file back é_è |
| 17:11.45 | jhutchins | If a package exists in the main repos, dmm, and backports, how can I see all available versions, and how do I select which is installed? |
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| 17:12.50 | Teltariat | Does Debian maintain a list of user IDs reserved for specific applications, or is it all ad-hoc? |
| 17:12.52 | mtn | jhutchins: synaptic should do all of that for you |
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| 17:18.25 | jhutchins | mtn: Sorry, CLI. |
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| 17:20.08 | mtn | jhutchins: I imagine aptitude will do it too |
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| 17:50.56 | DammitJim | how do I start sshd with verbose? |
| 17:51.06 | DammitJim | I don't see an option for that on man sshd |
| 17:52.18 | iszak | When trying to take a gphoto2 I get "*** Error (-53: 'Could not claim the USB device') ***" any idea how to find out what's locking the device? |
| 17:52.21 | iszak | I am using CLI |
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| 17:54.52 | d0wn_blog | re |
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| 17:56.09 | ted20 | How to disable listening bootpc by isc dhcp client? |
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| 18:01.06 | jelly-home | ted20: what are you trying to achieve with that? |
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| 18:02.25 | ted20 | jelly-home: I'm not sure, what are you trying to say. I guess you mean archive? |
| 18:02.46 | jelly-home | ted20: why do you want to disable it? |
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| 18:03.30 | ted20 | jelly-home: Because i've never used it. |
| 18:03.50 | jelly-home | ted20: so you have a static IP configuration? |
| 18:04.14 | ted20 | jelly-home: no, via dhcp |
| 18:04.35 | jelly-home | ted20: then you're using it to get your ip address. |
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| 18:05.07 | jhutchins | DammitJim: man sshd. |
| 18:05.21 | ted20 | jelly-home: No. For example udhcpc doesn't listen on WAN, interesting, right? |
| 18:06.19 | jhutchins | DammitJim: SOrry, I see you looked, maybe it's in sshd.conf - it's loglevel, set to DEBUG2 or DEBUG3 & restart. |
| 18:06.25 | jelly-home | ted20: sure it does, just not all the time |
| 18:06.31 | DammitJim | thanks! I figured it out :D |
| 18:06.58 | jelly-home | ted20: that's an implementation detail, the client has to listen for the DHCPOFFER part |
| 18:09.00 | jelly-home | ted20: see the protocol image down at http://myunixlab.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/dhcp/ |
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| 18:10.37 | ted20 | jelly-home: okay, but one moment, I see in netstat "udp 0 0 *:bootpc *:* |
| 18:10.54 | ted20 | jelly-home: it sounds like bootp? |
| 18:11.04 | ted20 | jelly-home: is it sounds like bootp? |
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| 18:11.29 | jelly-home | ted20: it sounds like dhcp. |
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| 18:13.23 | ted20 | jelly-home: 'course, never mind |
| 18:13.43 | jelly-home | that port is used for dhcp. |
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| 18:18.13 | jhutchins | DammitJim: I think the settings might be shown in man sshd.conf |
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| 18:20.43 | jhutchins | ted20: bootp was the predecessor of DHCP. Some options still exist to support legacy hardware, but it's not really in use any more. |
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| 18:23.14 | sandman13 | can live cd of Debian 7 be used to fix the grub related issues? |
| 18:23.23 | sandman13 | just asking |
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| 18:25.38 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, do you recommend to me a live CD to run diagnostics? like fs checks, make images, also that it has something secutity tools... software to partition disks etc.... |
| 18:25.57 | dimitry7 | which distro? |
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| 18:28.06 | loeken | dimitry7, linux kali has a lot of stuff on board |
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| 18:34.18 | TomasCZ | I want to install debian testing. Now CP for the VPS in question offers images of current stable. Is it possible to use that netinstall for this? (I know it isn't by default) |
| 18:34.41 | TomasCZ | Hello people, .. |
| 18:37.14 | nkuttler | TomasCZ: install stable, upgrade to testing |
| 18:37.31 | dimitry7 | loeken, excellent my friend, thank you!! Downloading... |
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| 18:39.32 | mutex | Hi, I am trying to trouble shoot my debian installer process, when I netboot the vmlinuz and initrd the system doesn't seem to have any network drivers and asks for a CDROM |
| 18:39.41 | mutex | is there another file the installer needs to load with network drivers ? |
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| 18:45.06 | Brigo | mutex, what network drivers do you need? |
| 18:45.31 | mutex | Brigo: *any* the system has no network drivers in /lib/modules |
| 18:45.50 | mutex | I suspect that the system is expecting to boot, find the CDROM, load some other package with network drivers and then proceed on its way |
| 18:46.18 | sandman13 | mutex: if you use intel based wireless cards or any other non-free wireless cards then you need the CDROM |
| 18:46.31 | mutex | yes yes I know |
| 18:46.39 | mutex | this is *not* a firmware problem/issue |
| 18:46.46 | Brigo | mutex, ah, you are booting from a network server not using the netcd, ok? |
| 18:47.01 | mutex | Brigo: well... I have a 'netinst' cd |
| 18:47.14 | mutex | but the netinst initrd apparently doesn't include network drivers |
| 18:47.27 | sandman13 | mutex: it doesn't |
| 18:47.39 | Brigo | mutex, why kind of estange netinstall have you? :D |
| 18:47.45 | mutex | so am I right about the loading of drivers from the local CD ? |
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| 18:48.14 | mutex | Brigo: debian-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 18:48.26 | mutex | what I don't have is the mini install |
| 18:48.28 | sandman13 | mutex: there is another CD that has all the drivers you need, look where you have downloaded the iso |
| 18:48.33 | UltimateNate | How do i repair my Debian? |
| 18:48.36 | UltimateNate | with reinstalling it? |
| 18:48.38 | UltimateNate | without* |
| 18:49.02 | Brigo | UltimateNate, netinstall has the netcd, of course, is for install from the net. |
| 18:49.13 | mutex | sandman13: I think they are all on the CD I have |
| 18:49.24 | mutex | there is a package pool with lots of network related tools in them |
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| 18:49.44 | sandman13 | mutex: I think they aren't there as I faced the same issue |
| 18:49.48 | Brigo | the netinstall has all the free drivers (at least) |
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| 18:49.58 | mutex | and packages like this: ./pool/main/l/linux/nic-extra-modules-3.2.0-4-amd64-di_3.2.57-3_amd64.udeb |
| 18:50.03 | mutex | which look really suspicious |
| 18:50.40 | mutex | so here is my point |
| 18:50.46 | mutex | if I am attemping to perform PXE boot install |
| 18:51.02 | mutex | and the drivers are not in the initrd, how am I supposed to get them ? |
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| 18:51.09 | mutex | to the installing machine |
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| 18:51.35 | sandman13 | this is what you need i guess: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 18:51.48 | sandman13 | the last entry |
| 18:51.55 | mutex | but that's firmware |
| 18:51.59 | mutex | firmware is not a problem |
| 18:52.11 | mutex | I'm using a stock e1000 driver |
| 18:52.17 | sandman13 | is your internet working |
| 18:52.30 | mutex | O_o |
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| 18:52.45 | Brigo | mutex, if you make a pex install the drivers and the other sutff should be on the server, and the client will download them from there |
| 18:52.45 | mutex | actually looks like I just need to not use the CD iso |
| 18:52.59 | mutex | Brigo: yeah I think I should be using this: http://goo.gl/8WmM1X |
| 18:53.33 | Brigo | mutex, the right's one, yes |
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| 18:54.30 | mutex | I guess they just don't include that on the debian CD |
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| 18:55.07 | yates | does debian have a command line app similar to fedora's fpaste? |
| 18:55.11 | yates | i.e., send to a standard pastebin |
| 18:55.13 | yates | ? |
| 18:55.29 | yates | e.g., "cat <file> | fpaste" |
| 18:55.37 | bazhang | does debian have pastebinit |
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| 18:55.45 | Brigo | yates, there are some stuff, i do know if it is what you are looking for |
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| 18:56.45 | Brigo | yates, pastebinit, or pnopaste |
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| 18:57.55 | yates | thank you |
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| 18:58.45 | Brigo | yates, np :) |
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| 19:04.50 | Voyager82 | I have a question: how can I view the list of the packages available, using the apt-get command? |
| 19:05.34 | Brigo | Voyager82, afaik you cannot, use apt-cache for searching |
| 19:05.46 | Voyager82 | apt-cache? |
| 19:05.58 | Brigo | man apt-cache :) |
| 19:06.18 | Voyager82 | Ok. What should I do to learn more about APT? man apt? |
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| 19:06.29 | Brigo | !tell Voyager82 abotu apt-cache |
| 19:06.38 | rudi_s | !tell Voyager82 about apt-cache |
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| 19:06.59 | Brigo | Voyager82, man apt-cache. apt-cache and apt-get are two diferents programs :) |
| 19:07.24 | Brigo | !tell Voyager82 about apt-cache |
| 19:07.25 | rudi_s | man apt contains general information about Debian's APT. |
| 19:07.59 | Voyager82 | I understand. |
| 19:08.28 | jhutchins | Voyager82: There are ~30,000 packages available. |
| 19:08.37 | jhutchins | Voyager82: aptitude can give you a menued list. |
| 19:08.51 | Voyager82 | jhulst, in the GUI, I would use Aptitude. |
| 19:09.21 | jhutchins | Voyager82: It's a console tool, but it does give you a menu interface if run with no arguments. |
| 19:10.08 | Voyager82 | But I only want to know what kind of packages are available, if I want to install them. |
| 19:10.31 | Voyager82 | Presume that I don't know that a certain (useful) package exists. |
| 19:10.44 | jhutchins | Voyager82: tias |
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| 19:10.58 | Voyager82 | tias? |
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| 19:11.22 | jhutchins | Voyager82: Means "Try It And See". |
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| 19:11.40 | Brigo | jhulst, new for me :) |
| 19:12.05 | Voyager82 | What about apt-cache search *blabla* ? |
| 19:12.46 | jhutchins | Voyager82: You'd have to know what you were searching for, I thougth you wanted to browse. |
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| 19:13.10 | Voyager82 | jhutchins, I see. You right, What if I want to browse? |
| 19:13.16 | jhutchins | aptitude search <string> searches package names, aptitude search ~d<string> searches descriptions. |
| 19:13.25 | jhutchins | !tell Voyager82 about search |
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| 19:14.19 | jhutchins | Voyager82: Seriously, go to a console, become root, enter aptitude. |
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| 19:14.58 | Voyager82 | Ok. Can't I do the same with apt-cache? |
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| 19:16.13 | johndoe | if i run glxinfo, it segfaults for some reason. can someone lend me a hand? |
| 19:16.28 | Voyager82 | jhulst, ok. I think I understand your point. |
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| 19:17.06 | Voyager82 | Next question, I'm planning to install Debian Linux in a new Laptop. What package should I install, in order to enable wi-fi capabilities? |
| 19:17.06 | Brigo | Voyager82, searching only in descripcion? |
| 19:17.33 | Voyager82 | (Brigo, I think I should man apt-cache a little more :) ) |
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| 19:18.06 | Brigo | Voyager82, of course |
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| 19:19.12 | Brigo | Voyager82, the wifi-capabilities are installed by default, but the firmware. If you need firmare and you like it then is better for you to install from a non official cd, within the firmware |
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| 19:20.01 | Voyager82 | Brigo, I want to install LXDE Debian linux. Since my laptop is a little old. :( I should install the drivers manually. I did before, but I don't remember what I did. |
| 19:20.03 | jhutchins | Voyager82: Ah, you don't have it installed yet? http://packages.debian.org |
| 19:20.27 | Brigo | !tell Voyager82 about firmware images |
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| 19:21.31 | Voyager82 | I think that the LXDE version of Linux is not provided with drivers for Wi-Fi. I didn't try, though. I want to know for sure. |
| 19:21.42 | Brigo | Voyager82, i think you can install the base system and then install the package task-lxde-desktop who will install all the necesary. |
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| 19:22.11 | Brigo | Voyager82, or may be you will be asking about it at install time. Not really sur |
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| 19:23.52 | Voyager82 | I'm sorry. I'll be right back. AFK. |
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| 19:26.20 | MikOo1 | hi |
| 19:26.42 | MikOo1 | when I try : update-rc.d ssh start 10 3 4 5 . stop 05 0 1 2 6 . |
| 19:27.03 | MikOo1 | I get update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 19:27.03 | MikOo1 | update-rc.d: warning: start runlevel arguments (3 4 5) do not match ssh Default-Start values (2 3 4 5) |
| 19:27.03 | MikOo1 | update-rc.d: warning: stop runlevel arguments (0 1 2 6) do not match ssh Default-Stop values (none) |
| 19:27.03 | MikOo1 | insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `ssh' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5). |
| 19:27.03 | MikOo1 | insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (2 3 4 5) of script `ssh' overrides LSB defaults (empty). |
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| 19:28.06 | ksinkar | hello |
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| 19:28.27 | MikOo1 | excuse me for flood |
| 19:28.44 | ksinkar | How does one get out of apt dependency tree tangles? |
| 19:29.28 | MikOo1 | I can't change runlevel with update-rc |
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| 19:30.45 | MikOo1 | with update-rc.d nothing change in /etc/rc.d |
| 19:31.40 | MikOo1 | but update-rc ssh disable work fine... |
| 19:33.20 | jordanm | !tell ksinkar about bat |
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| 19:35.08 | Stevie24 | Hello. I'm trying to extract the columns no 2 & 3 (Area Code & prefix) from http://www.area-codes.com/ . If I choose state CA, provider verizon, I get for example about 58 pages ( http://www.area-codes.com/search.asp?SN=acNPA&SO=ASC&pg=1&frmNPA=&frmNXX=&frmCity=&frmState=CA&frmZip=&frmCounty=&frmCompany=cellco&frmLATA=&frmRateCenter=&frmCLLI=&frmNXXUseType=W ) |
| 19:35.13 | Stevie24 | Is there any way I can extract them or I have to manually copy/paste each of the 58 pages, and then use awk print $2, $3? Thanks in advance. |
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| 19:36.32 | MikOo | Stevie24 in bash ? |
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| 19:36.55 | Stevie24 | yeah. |
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| 19:37.11 | MikOo | With Python it is easier |
| 19:37.31 | steppen_wolf | hello ! anybody on xfce4.10 ? I'm asked a pwd when trying to shutdown the computer... a bit annoying |
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| 19:38.02 | Stevie24 | yeah, I'm wondering how do I process that website in order to extract JUST those 2 rows, from all 58 pages. |
| 19:38.04 | MikOo | https://docs.python.org/2/library/htmlparser.html |
| 19:38.09 | Stevie24 | Ok, thanks |
| 19:38.40 | MikOo | it is html so with bash it seems very difficult |
| 19:38.43 | crapp | hi, I try to connect to a wlan using wpa_supplicant. I am close to finally get it working but now wpa_supplicant asks for a password. i know I can reply to this request with wpa_cli but this is not my goal. i have password="xyz" in my config file but this doesn't help |
| 19:38.45 | crapp | any ideas? |
| 19:38.57 | SirCmpwn | I made a disk with debootstrap that works great |
| 19:39.04 | SirCmpwn | but I'd like to add packages to it after the fact |
| 19:39.06 | SirCmpwn | is this possible? |
| 19:39.24 | crapp | this is the message I see: wlan0: CTRL-REQ-PASSWORD-1:Password needed for SSID eduroam |
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| 19:41.22 | crapp | ok nevermind, the password in the config file was wrong :D |
| 19:41.32 | MikOo | Stevie24 I make a program for the same issue some weeks ago |
| 19:41.55 | MikOo | do you want I paste it ? |
| 19:42.14 | Brigo | Crabby, it is not password= is wpa-psk |
| 19:42.36 | Brigo | crapp, it is not password= is wpa-psk <passwd> |
| 19:42.37 | MikOo | It's for awstat but it was a <table> to... |
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| 19:42.52 | Brigo | Crabby, sorry not for you. |
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| 19:43.19 | SirCmpwn | oh, this is fun |
| 19:43.23 | SirCmpwn | I do not have /proc/modules |
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| 19:43.54 | SirCmpwn | and I can't modprobe things |
| 19:43.55 | SirCmpwn | bleh |
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| 19:44.22 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | is there any way to have dpkg-buildpackage -S produce tar.gzs with the same sha checksums if the source hasn't changed? |
| 19:44.58 | crapp | Brigo: it works with the password= |
| 19:45.30 | MikOo | So no idea for update-rc.d ? |
| 19:45.39 | crapp | I sniffed the dbus connection between NetworkManager and wpa_supplicant to finally get the right parameters for this stupid wlan here |
| 19:45.48 | Brigo | crapp, so what is the problem? |
| 19:46.03 | MikOo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.14 | crapp | Brigo: wpa_supplicant asked for a password although I provided one |
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| 19:46.39 | crapp | but despite of the fact i checked the password a hundred times it had an error |
| 19:46.41 | Stevie24 | MikOo, that would be great, because I seem to be lost :) |
| 19:46.42 | MikOo | don't do what I excpect ... |
| 19:46.46 | Stevie24 | I was reading the link you gave me |
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| 19:46.53 | Brigo | crapp, i am telling you you are not |
| 19:47.05 | Brigo | crapp, why don you try my method? |
| 19:47.10 | crapp | so it was my fault. i corrected the password and now everything works |
| 19:47.11 | Brigo | crapp, only for test. |
| 19:47.14 | MikOo | do you know Python ? |
| 19:47.17 | asturel | there is no way to apt-get install without update? --no-upgrade doesnt seems to work |
| 19:47.28 | crapp | Brigo: because it works :D |
| 19:47.33 | crapp | but thanks man! |
| 19:47.34 | asturel | i want to install some :amd64 package but it want to upgrade the :i386 package too |
| 19:47.53 | deptadapt | !enter |
| 19:47.54 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 19:48.20 | SirCmpwn | so... what to do when /proc/modules does not exist |
| 19:48.26 | MikOo | Stevie24 you will must adapte it |
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| 19:48.41 | SirCmpwn | I guess I could try remounting /proc |
| 19:48.41 | MikOo | *customize it |
| 19:48.44 | ksinkar | jordan, after I do `apt-get install -f` I get the following error http://paste.debian.net/105525/ |
| 19:48.51 | MikOo | caus it's for awstat... |
| 19:48.55 | Stevie24 | MikOo , its ok. I don't know programming, but I'll see how good I'm with google. Thanks anyway. I got it |
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| 19:50.30 | MikOo | Ok I don't be very proud of it, it is a dirty script... |
| 19:50.38 | ksinkar | I cannot autoremove nor can I do anything else. Is there anyway of going back in time as far as the dependency tree of apt is concerned. |
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| 19:50.50 | Guest01102 | hey folks, ive many users on my system from different programs... would it be better to delete them for sec matter or just let them |
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| 19:53.21 | jmcnaught | Guest01102: were the users you're talking about created by Debian packages? If you still have those packages installed, it's probably best not to remove the users without knowing what they're for. |
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| 20:02.24 | Stevie24 | No problem MikOo, just let me take a look at it. thanks. |
| 20:02.36 | Stevie24 | Sorry for the delay, I was on the phone |
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| 20:06.08 | oo_miguel | Where do I find documantation of the ELF file format? I want to know what is all this stuff in my object file beside the ELF header and my assembly instructions. |
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| 20:08.09 | jhutchins | oo_miguel: google? |
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| 20:09.45 | oo_miguel | I thought it might be part of my debian distro? |
| 20:10.10 | Otyg | oo_miguel: man elf |
| 20:10.26 | martinjungblut | oo_miguel: if you are interested in a library, check out libelf |
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| 20:10.37 | plm | Hi all |
| 20:10.40 | ted20 | Hey |
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| 20:12.15 | oo_miguel | Otyg: wow, this really works! I should have find that out by myself.. |
| 20:12.17 | Otyg | oo_miguel: wikipedia also has a quite good article about the elf format |
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| 20:12.24 | Otyg | np |
| 20:12.29 | oo_miguel | thank you! |
| 20:13.09 | plm | people, are there other way to know when ethernet cable are connected instead ifconfig, iplink show, cat /sys/class/net/eth0/operstate, /sys/class/net/eth0/carrier? These options not works in my custom system (maybe a kernel bug). Anyway, I would like, for now to know if are there other way to know that. Any idea? |
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| 20:15.48 | zerick | mii-tool ? |
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| 20:16.45 | plm | zerick: hmmm. I will to check! |
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| 20:17.01 | zerick | If any of the others mentioned by yourself don't work, well, I woul say is more a driver problem than a kernel problem. Which Debian version are you using? |
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| 20:21.51 | MikOo | sorry for the delay |
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| 20:22.08 | Stevie24 | MikOo ? |
| 20:22.08 | Stevie24 | No worries |
| 20:22.08 | Stevie24 | ::) |
| 20:22.08 | Stevie24 | Thank you very very much |
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| 21:03.21 | Lope | running debian 7.1 with kernel 3.2: dpkg -i linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64_3.14.5-1~bpo70+1_amd64.deb installing lin... would break initramfs-tools, and defonfiguration is not permitted (--auto-deconfigure might help) |
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| 21:06.50 | KevinCollmer | hi guys |
| 21:07.24 | skribblezatcha | hi KevinCollmer. |
| 21:07.26 | KevinCollmer | im currently running into an issue... |
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| 21:07.34 | KevinCollmer | its not only debian its more debian |
| 21:07.38 | KevinCollmer | + java |
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| 21:07.51 | skribblezatcha | whats your issue KevinCollmer? |
| 21:08.02 | KevinCollmer | and abit of certification... |
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| 21:08.36 | Lope | I gave the switch --auto-deconfigure. and then it said dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-image... linux-image... depends on initramfs-tools (>=0.110~) linux-initramfs-tool; however version of initramblah on system is 0.109.1 |
| 21:09.04 | KevinCollmer | i wrote an programm that starts a socket to a server... all worked. now the server changed some ips and went from germany to netherlands |
| 21:09.18 | KevinCollmer | since that only my root isnt able to start a connection to the server with my java programm |
| 21:09.29 | KevinCollmer | same compile is running on other machines perfectly |
| 21:09.48 | skribblezatcha | yeah i wouldnt know a thing about that one KevinCollmer, thats not for me to hop in to. |
| 21:10.11 | skribblezatcha | did you get the image from the debian backports Lope? |
| 21:10.20 | Lope | skribblezatcha: yes I did |
| 21:10.21 | ompaul | KevinCollmer: this is the only thing I can say, look very hard at your environment |
| 21:10.21 | KevinCollmer | ERROR: certificate common name `' doesn't match requested host name `'. |
| 21:10.32 | ompaul | KevinCollmer: we don't do code evaluation ;-) |
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| 21:10.44 | Lope | skribblezatcha: but I haven't updated the VM in a while |
| 21:10.44 | KevinCollmer | other machines are running perfectly |
| 21:10.51 | KevinCollmer | a btw that error is when im using WGET |
| 21:10.57 | KevinCollmer | in putty |
| 21:11.01 | ompaul | KevinCollmer: this is the only thing I can say, look very hard at your environment |
| 21:11.12 | ompaul | oh wait I'm repeating myself |
| 21:11.21 | skribblezatcha | what command did you use to install the linux-image Lope? |
| 21:11.29 | Lope | the command above |
| 21:11.37 | teraflop | KevinCollmer: tried ` --no-check-certificate` option? |
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| 21:11.52 | KevinCollmer | yea then its working but java dont accept that |
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| 21:11.56 | skribblezatcha | before the --autoconfigure Lope? |
| 21:11.58 | Lope | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.58 | dpkg | package --auto-deconfigure linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64_3.14.5-1~bpo70+1_amd64.deb is already installed |
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| 21:12.31 | teraflop | uhm java certs issue have a nice nightmare |
| 21:12.33 | Lope | lol @ bot |
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| 21:13.05 | KevinCollmer | i just cant understand why its only on my machine |
| 21:13.09 | skribblezatcha | or --auto-dconfigure..sorry. |
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| 21:13.12 | pmade | Installing Jessie on UEFI hardware hangs when it tries to create the EFI-fat16 partition, and generates a MCE error on the console. Which package should I report this under? |
| 21:13.14 | skribblezatcha | deconfigure* |
| 21:13.20 | KevinCollmer | i already did a restore (its a vps @ server4you.de) |
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| 21:13.58 | teraflop | KevinCollmer: may be... look at the javavm seciruty level on that machine |
| 21:14.11 | KevinCollmer | how? |
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| 21:14.45 | teraflop | how is the java conplain KevinCollmer ? |
| 21:14.52 | skribblezatcha | Lope: did you use: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install 'linux-image-of-choice'? |
| 21:14.54 | teraflop | web browser? |
| 21:15.30 | Lope | skribblezatcha: no. I downloaded the image off the debian site. the VM doesn't have internet access |
| 21:15.32 | KevinCollmer | im just using an easy console-app |
| 21:15.44 | KevinCollmer | and running it via java -jar FILENAME |
| 21:15.59 | KevinCollmer | already tried chmod777 |
| 21:16.01 | Lope | I'm gonna see if wheezy automatically gets a newer version of initramfs-tools |
| 21:16.15 | skribblezatcha | o ok, i see Lope, well then yeah man, i am sure that you are missing a few depends. |
| 21:16.35 | skribblezatcha | well it wont if you dont have internet access Lope. |
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| 21:18.06 | Lope | hehe, i meant to say "see if it's meant to get one" |
| 21:18.12 | jhutchins | There are tools to do various apt functions on a disconnected system. |
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| 21:18.32 | jhutchins | Not sure which are in ubuntu, but apt-offline and apt-zip exist. |
| 21:18.33 | Lope | I'm gonna check it out on a diff debian installation |
| 21:19.05 | occupant | so I'm really using centos, but since debian made upstart I figured I'd ask here. I have an upstart script with "respawn" yet it doesn't respawn. is there anything I should be paying attention to? |
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| 21:19.37 | teraflop | uhm KevinCollmer no clue, im talking about javaws, web apps |
| 21:19.37 | skribblezatcha | yeah, unless you have internet access it will be hard for you to do Lope. but it can be done obviously. are you using vbox Lope? |
| 21:20.09 | Lope | kvm/qemu |
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| 21:20.53 | skribblezatcha | ok thanks. yeah if you were using vbox i was going to ask you a few things to make sure that you couldnt get internet access. i dont know about kvm/qema. |
| 21:20.55 | teraflop | since 7u40 java does not accept self signed certs afaik KevinCollmer dont know if you are in this scenario |
| 21:21.19 | Lope | no worries |
| 21:22.00 | Lope | I'm updating another debian system and it says it's gonna update initscripts... i dunno if that includes initramfs |
| 21:22.15 | skribblezatcha | ok cool Lope..good deal. |
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| 21:23.03 | Lope | I see it's gonna update the kernel as well. |
| 21:23.13 | Lope | to some newer version of 3.2 |
| 21:23.53 | skribblezatcha | cool. i am actually using kernel 3.14.7-1. |
| 21:24.29 | Lope | okay so how did you install that with apt? |
| 21:24.53 | skribblezatcha | well i am running debian sid..so its the native kernel at the moment in sid. |
| 21:25.09 | Lope | what is sid? |
| 21:25.20 | Lope | I generally use debian 7 |
| 21:25.24 | skribblezatcha | i started with wheezy 7.5.0 and upgrade to debian jessie Lope, and then from there to debian sid. |
| 21:25.40 | skribblezatcha | Debian Sid is the unstable branch of Debian Lope. |
| 21:25.52 | Lope | so you're on bleeding edge :) why? |
| 21:26.08 | skribblezatcha | i guess that its just what i prefer using. :) |
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| 21:26.33 | Lope | so you haven't encountered much bugs? |
| 21:26.54 | Lope | I guess I'm one of those old bastards that likes things to work, then if I need something newer I'll install it manually. |
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| 21:27.24 | skribblezatcha | not really, the only one that i have had recently was that claws-mail was messed up for about a day and a half..and after updates for it came through it was fine again. other than that things have been ok. |
| 21:28.10 | skribblezatcha | actually you would be suprised at how stable sid is Lope. its a bit more stable than jessie is..since it tends to fix itself faster..but to be honest i dont see a lot of breakages at all. |
| 21:28.17 | skribblezatcha | surprised* |
| 21:28.36 | Lope | I'm running a VM on an old celeron laptop at the moment with no virtualization support. painful. |
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| 21:28.51 | skribblezatcha | yeah i hear you Lope. |
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| 21:29.15 | skribblezatcha | thats how this laptop is..but it does alright when using vbox. |
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| 21:51.23 | pmade | Is there a way to be subscribed to a Debian mailing list but turn off mail delivery? |
| 21:51.46 | mhoney | google news? |
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| 21:52.17 | pmade | Well, sure. I want to use gmane, but can I post to a Debian mailing list without being subscribed? |
| 21:52.29 | mhoney | doubt it |
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| 21:52.53 | pmade | Which is why I want to subscribe but turn off mail delivery. |
| 21:53.11 | mhoney | get digest |
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| 21:53.52 | pmade | Sounds like that's my only option :( Thanks. |
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| 21:57.52 | zykotick9 | likes the security-ml arriving in non-digest form |
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| 21:59.27 | zykotick9 | the notification one, not the discussion one ;) typically by the time i check the email, the repos are already update... but sometimes there is a delay between email and my local repo </ot> |
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| 22:35.51 | otyugh | if someone under wheezy could try to give me the precise step on how to make nging would execute php, I would be super grateful. So far, I fail, and recipe don't help ;s |
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| 23:13.37 | vfoley | If I wanted to change my username on my home machine to match my university username, after the usermod invocation, should I do a massive sed to change my old home path with the new one in all the files in my home directory? |
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| 23:20.21 | petern_ | I'd be surprised if you needed to. |
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| 23:25.12 | sim590 | I've just installed gmediarender and I tried update-rc.d gmediarender defaults; service gmediarender start but nothing. I went into the script and saw that it was exiting because of this line http://paste.debian.net/105557/ |
| 23:25.28 | sim590 | what should I do ? I can't find a tutorial on what to do to make it work. |
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| 23:32.35 | teraflop | sim590: seems you need to set enable to 1 whenever the conf file is ... but thats only a thought |
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| 23:36.04 | Basque | i was trying to mount a ufs partition on linux,but only appears the root,not the home particion that is separated....(ada0s2a / & ada0s2b /home) |
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| 23:38.26 | Basque | in my debian is /dev/sda2 409593240 577365389 83886075 a9 NetBSD , i get mount that partition |
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| 23:39.06 | Basque | i dont understand what is happening |
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| 23:43.29 | dimitry7 | which sould be the the default policy for IPtables? DROP or ACCEPT? |
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| 23:44.10 | Brigo | dimir, it is an adminitrator choice :) |
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| 23:44.36 | Brigo | it depends in your network policy |
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| 23:46.53 | Horba | Looking for help; I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers on a fresh jessie install. I dont think the kernal module is installing properly, the installation process for the kernal module complains about kernal headers not exiting. I'm a little in over my depth. |
| 23:47.30 | dimitry7 | Brigo, yes, well, I defined DROP for input, output and forward and then i accept input for 'lo' interface and accept ICMP echo replies for both input and output |
| 23:47.34 | dimitry7 | but they don't work.... |
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| 23:47.44 | dimitry7 | I'll show you my rules |
| 23:48.12 | Brigo | dimitry7, and what are you trying? |
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| 23:49.42 | dimitry7 | Brigo, http://es.tinypic.com/r/24qu5iw/8 |
| 23:49.59 | dimitry7 | Brigo, just trying to learn iptables |
| 23:50.23 | dimitry7 | Brigo, I want it to block everything... and accept only what I declare in my rules |
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| 23:51.29 | Brigo | dimitry7, that is what it should be doin, accepting only icmm -pings- and loopback inteface |
| 23:51.59 | dimitry7 | Brigo, yes, but it does not. if I do $ ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:52.05 | dimitry7 | it wonn't work. |
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| 23:53.29 | Brigo | i can not see why :-/ |
| 23:53.43 | dimitry7 | Brigo, let me show you something |
| 23:54.33 | Brigo | dimitry7, please show me iptables -S and you can use paste.debian.net -a easier way- :) |
| 23:54.55 | srged | hi guys. I'd like do connect my iphone as an usb thumb to move in and out pics and music. how can I do that? |
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| 23:58.30 | Brigo | srged, i am not sure, but i think you can not, becasue apple do not want it, and this is not actually your phone, but their phone. |
| 23:59.31 | srged | Brigo: :) |
