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| 00:00.41 | belak | jhutchins: it appears to be @reboot |
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| 00:03.42 | Phagus | After configuring, make, and make install-ing a program, do I need to hang onto the source files? |
| 00:05.13 | Brigo | Phagus, usually not, actually you usually do not need to compile programs, you can only install them with apt-get |
| 00:05.52 | Eremiell | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:06.12 | Brigo | Eremiell, of course :) |
| 00:06.45 | Phagus | Brigo: Yes exactly. I actually want to learn the old fashion make too. |
| 00:06.59 | Phagus | apt-get is nice though :-) |
| 00:07.44 | Brigo | Phagus, so make && make intall should be enough, and when you finish with it usually make uninstall :) |
| 00:08.33 | Eremiell | Phagus: no need to keep the sources after make install, but if you got them from some version control system and you might like to build newer build in future, you might just "make clean" and keep the repo clone. |
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| 00:10.35 | Phagus | Cool |
| 00:10.49 | Phagus | Where can I learn more about these basic tool chain stuff? |
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| 00:14.37 | Eremiell | Phagus: I'd start with man make. Search keywords like make, cmake, git, vcs on web. Also try wiki. |
| 00:15.00 | Phagus | Thanks |
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| 00:18.33 | sifeic | Phagus: https://www.gnu.org/manual/manual.html |
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| 01:05.04 | Arven | I'm having some issues with hibernation. It works fine, except I can't start new X11 programs. |
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| 01:12.05 | woodqs | Is there a non-trivial way to make a USB installer for Debian that will install (not necessarily automatically, a menu is fine) either the x86 or x64 version? |
| 01:12.33 | Arven | I discovered that urxvt will start just fine, as well as apparently a few older X11 applications. However, xterm, console, and a barrage of other programs stall at trying to access /tmp/.ICE-unix/{socket} |
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| 01:13.17 | Eremiell | woodqs: installer menu is grub based. do some folder renaming, grub.conf hacking and it should be possible, I guess. |
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| 01:14.07 | woodqs | I'll check out the filesystem tree. |
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| 01:32.25 | dimitry7 | Hey guys, which software would you recommend to me to Fully wipe a disk of a compromised server? |
| 01:32.47 | cespenar | greetings - I was wondering if liblcms2-2:i386 has been moved into another package or renamed? |
| 01:33.14 | cespenar | dimitry7: probably just 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/path/to/disk' |
| 01:33.27 | dimitry7 | cespenar, thank you!! |
| 01:34.07 | woodqs | Or grab a copy of Darik's Boot and Nuke Disk. |
| 01:34.38 | cespenar | yeah, pretty much does the same thing in different inervals |
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| 01:34.48 | cespenar | With multiple wipe options* |
| 01:35.30 | themill | cespenar: no, it still exists |
| 01:35.43 | cespenar | themill: How would I go about installing it? |
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| 01:36.16 | themill | cespenar: do you have i386 packages available on that machine already? |
| 01:36.16 | cespenar | themill: Currently, I get "Package liblcms2-2:i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source" |
| 01:36.38 | themill | !which arch |
| 01:36.38 | dpkg | To help us understand architecture-related problems, please give us the output of «(dpkg --print-architecture; uname -r; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures) | xargs echo». |
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| 01:39.11 | jpinx | themill: fwiw there's a stray ) in that factoid |
| 01:39.17 | cespenar | I am getting a syntax error |
| 01:39.25 | cespenar | how would it be executed exactly |
| 01:39.33 | Eremiell | dimitry7: you can also shred the dev file. |
| 01:40.10 | themill | jpinx: looks fine to me |
| 01:40.35 | dimitry7 | Eremiell, okay thank you!! |
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| 01:41.33 | jpinx | themill: ....gn-architectures) |
| 01:41.37 | themill | yes |
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| 01:41.47 | null_l33t | anyone know how to use NetworkManager to set rst/frag/power on wlan0? (or is there another way to set it so that it persists past reboots?) |
| 01:42.00 | Frustrated | ping themill |
| 01:42.07 | cespenar | themill: Frustrated was having the missing pkg, btw |
| 01:42.15 | cespenar | was translating for him :) |
| 01:42.21 | cespenar | GTG |
| 01:42.24 | Frustrated | lol |
| 01:42.41 | Frustrated | ok |
| 01:42.44 | Frustrated | here goes |
| 01:42.47 | jmcnaught | jpinx: there's a ( at the beginning of the command too |
| 01:43.05 | themill | Frustrated: can you show us the output of: (dpkg --print-architecture; uname -r; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures) | xargs echo |
| 01:43.19 | Frustrated | sec |
| 01:43.21 | null_l33t | I'm not finding any docs on what can be put into /etc/Network?manager/system-connections/[ESSID] files... |
| 01:43.57 | Frustrated | bash: No such file or directory |
| 01:44.13 | null_l33t | Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:44.15 | jpinx | jmcnaught: ok - it's on 2 lines - hence the hiccup |
| 01:45.30 | themill | Frustrated: could you put the full output of "apt-cache policy" into paste.debian.net for us? |
| 01:46.22 | Frustrated | ok...........min |
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| 01:49.02 | Frustrated | ok i assume you'll want this |
| 01:49.07 | Frustrated | http://paste.debian.net/105737 |
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| 01:49.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, he wouldn't have been so confused had it been $(dpkg --print-architecture; uname -r; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures) |
| 01:49.29 | Frustrated | handy tool |
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| 01:50.44 | themill | makes CutMeOwnThroat try that |
| 01:50.51 | themill | Frustrated: you don't actually have a mirror in your sources.list there |
| 01:50.55 | themill | dpkg: tell Frustrated about wheezy sources.list |
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| 01:51.35 | Frustrated | whats a mirror? |
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| 01:51.42 | micros | hello. when i try to sudo apt-get install vsftp i get a broken dependency error. I tried adding -f and now it tells me 403 Forbidden on the download URL shown in the console output. Any ideas? |
| 01:51.45 | Frustrated | not an expert here.......not even close |
| 01:52.05 | micros | frustrated - a site with a clone of the data from another site? |
| 01:52.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, err, echo $(..... |
| 01:52.30 | Frustrated | ok........... |
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| 01:52.33 | hatter_ | So I have an ASUS motherboard where i have turned off all the UEFI crap and I still can't boot debian. |
| 01:52.39 | Frustrated | *head scratch* |
| 01:52.58 | hatter_ | If i use Supergrub2disk I can boot into it. |
| 01:53.11 | Frustrated | how do i install a mirror? |
| 01:53.19 | hatter_ | anyone else suffering with UEFI ? |
| 01:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Frustrated, a reflecting surface in which you can see yourself... but nevermind, you're lacking the first of the three lines in the factoid |
| 01:54.23 | themill | Frustrated: you don't install it, you add the correct URL to your sources.list. The ones dpkg just gave you will work |
| 01:54.58 | Eremiell | Frustrated: just add into your /etc/apt/sources.list line "deb http://ftp.<yourcoumtrycode>.debian.org/debian <releasename> main contrib non-free" |
| 01:54.58 | Frustrated | oh, ok.....thaks.......i didnt get a list though |
| 01:55.05 | Frustrated | ok |
| 01:55.31 | Frustrated | sec |
| 01:55.31 | themill | Frustrated: an additional little tab will have opened up with dpkg's message |
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| 01:55.59 | micros | themill - any idea why i get a 403 error installing vsftp? says forbidden. <shrug> |
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| 01:57.23 | noalternative | dpkg guidelines |
| 01:57.23 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask, just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading documentation (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill, practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people), see <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste into a <pastebin>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
| 01:58.18 | micros | looks like the url has a space in it |
| 01:59.09 | noalternative | I have lost nm-applet in debian wheezy lxde. I have tried to open it from the commandline and it says command not found. I have tried to install/reinstall, and it installed but still does not show up and can not be stared from the command line. |
| 01:59.32 | micros | hmm doesnt work in a browser either. |
| 01:59.52 | noalternative | synaptic does show it is installed |
| 02:00.10 | null_l33t | noalt, have you tried to use the /full/path/to/nm-applet? |
| 02:00.40 | noalternative | is that a command, or do you want me to look their with pcmanfm? |
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| 02:01.08 | null_l33t | you can only exicute a command with the command name if it's in your $PATH |
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| 02:01.21 | micros | my mistake... this is a ubuntu install anyway... thanks |
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| 02:01.25 | null_l33t | if not, you would have to use the full path to the command |
| 02:02.19 | noalternative | I used it on the command line and it says command not found |
| 02:02.20 | null_l33t | noalt, ie: usr/x11/bin/nmapplet - would be the command |
| 02:02.42 | noalternative | it is part of the network-manager package, but has opened from the command line in the past. |
| 02:02.43 | null_l33t | err... /usr/x11/bin/nm-applet |
| 02:03.18 | noalternative | I get no such file or directory |
| 02:03.27 | noalternative | that was to null |
| 02:03.40 | null_l33t | yeah.. I'm new to debian.. the full path is /usr/bin/x11/nm-applet |
| 02:03.52 | null_l33t | fbsd uses /sur/X11/bin |
| 02:04.10 | Frustrated | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 128.61.240.89 80] |
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| 02:06.04 | themill | Frustrated: if you look at the URL there and your sources.list you'll see the mistake. (Or you could have just copied what dpkg said...) |
| 02:06.05 | null_l33t | noalt, try this one, echo $PATH - check to make sure /usr/bin/X11 is in your path |
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| 02:06.34 | abrotman | so broken! |
| 02:06.37 | abrotman | hides |
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| 02:07.40 | jmcnaught | noalternative: in wheezy nm-applet is at /usr/bin/nm-applet, and is provided by the package network-manager-gnome |
| 02:07.42 | Frustrated | looks like a bad address |
| 02:07.57 | Frustrated | or something.............i guess |
| 02:08.07 | themill | Frustrated: there's no need to guess |
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| 02:08.46 | jmcnaught | null_l33t: if you want to find were a binary actually is you can use which, for example "which nm-applet" |
| 02:08.55 | Frustrated | lol |
| 02:09.13 | Frustrated | so far i'am just staggering around in the dark |
| 02:09.32 | noalternative_ | jm no such file or directory |
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| 02:09.48 | noalternative_ | for /usr/bin/nm-applet |
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| 02:10.10 | noalternative_ | lxde used network-manager not network-manager-gnome |
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| 02:12.01 | null_l33t | and: ls /usr/bin/X11/nm-applet - that doesn't show it either? |
| 02:12.47 | null_l33t | jm, I used whereis, that worked.. but thanks.. that's a new command to me |
| 02:14.09 | Frustrated | ok.........i worked out the format for the sources.list file.......crossfire seems to be installing |
| 02:14.17 | noalternative_ | #flood |
| 02:14.41 | noalternative_ | nell that command didn't work either. |
| 02:14.57 | noalternative_ | I am not allowed to paste and I don't understand how to use #flood |
| 02:15.25 | null_l33t | noalt, you're moving out of my basic understanding of debian now.. looks like you need to install the gnome stuff for NM |
| 02:15.28 | noalternative_ | it says it cannot access that command ***** no such file or directory |
| 02:15.54 | jmcnaught | noalternative_: "network-manager" provides the daemon and command line tools. the nm-applet binary is provided by the package network-manager-gnome |
| 02:16.07 | jmcnaught | null_l33t: /usr/bin/X11 is a symlink to /usr/bin |
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| 02:16.25 | jmcnaught | noalternative_: paste stuff into http://paste.debian.net and then give us the link |
| 02:16.25 | yates | how do you search for a package using apt? |
| 02:16.46 | null_l33t | jm, noted. Thanks. |
| 02:16.49 | jmcnaught | yates: "apt-cache search foo" is one way |
| 02:17.20 | jmcnaught | null_l33t: you should try hitting <TAB> for nick completion if you actually want people to notice messages meant for them :) |
| 02:17.38 | null_l33t | jmcnaught, k. |
| 02:17.41 | noalternative_ | ok I am trying to install network-manager-gnome |
| 02:17.44 | yates | jmcnaught: thanks - so does that just search installed packages? |
| 02:18.08 | yates | which is fine - actually what i need |
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| 02:18.44 | noalternative_ | yates apt-cache search |
| 02:19.10 | jmcnaught | yates: "dpkg -l | grep foo" to search just installed packages |
| 02:19.56 | jmcnaught | yates: there are also different ways to search with aptitude which some prefer |
| 02:20.30 | yates | i'm confused - what's the difference between dpkg and aptitude? |
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| 02:20.58 | yates | are they both package management clients? |
| 02:21.19 | yates | what's the basic debian package file? .deb? |
| 02:21.24 | jpinx | noalternative_: what's wrong with <aptitude install network-manager-gnome> ? |
| 02:22.06 | rryoumaa | yates: my understanding is that dpkg is lower level, mostly or only dealing with .deb, which is the atomic unit of the packaging system for a package |
| 02:22.08 | Eremiell | yates: dpkg takes care of installing and uninstalling packages. apt takes care about downloading, caching, dependencies and such. aptitude is an ncurses abomination to give commands to apt. ;) |
| 02:22.13 | rryoumaa | but i am no expert |
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| 02:22.36 | themill | yates: dpkg only unpacks and installs the .deb on the system. apt or aptitude make sure that you have a consistent set of packages, check for updated packages, download the packages, verify that they are ok etc |
| 02:23.11 | yates | aha. |
| 02:23.26 | themill | Eremiell: aptitude doesn't give commands to apt btw and it is quite useful not in its curses interface (probably more useful tbh) |
| 02:23.27 | jmcnaught | yates: in addition to what the others have said, http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/packaging-system.html (this book is excellent and worth purchasing by the way) |
| 02:23.43 | yates | so dpkg is to apt as rpm is to yum (in the fedora world) |
| 02:23.54 | Frustrated | ok, it downloaded dependencies and finished installing.......anybody know how to start crossover?...........there's nothing on there website to indicate how to start it up or config it |
| 02:23.59 | yates | thanks folks |
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| 02:25.44 | Eremiell | themill: doesn't? OK, noted. I rarely run aptitude show or such, but generally stick with apt, |
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| 02:26.16 | jmcnaught | Eremiell: if you read the man page for aptitude you'll see it has a bunch of useful filters for doing advanced search from the command line for instance |
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| 02:26.46 | themill | Frustrated: there's a menu entry for it or try installing something |
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| 02:27.38 | Frustrated | no menu entry i can find......i'll triple check it |
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| 02:29.28 | Eremiell | jmcnaught: yeah I know. I used it a few times, but always forget them between two needs and it's quite frustrating to find out how to craft them every time. |
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| 02:30.29 | jmcnaught | Eremiell: yeah i usually search with apt-cache and apt-file with the assistance of grep and friends too |
| 02:30.30 | Frustrated | ok.....your right there's a menu entry............thanks man! |
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| 02:31.44 | noalternative | Guess I must have been overzealous in removing blueman and wildcarded bluetooth and ended up uninstall network-manager-gnome which must be default in lxde wheezy |
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| 02:32.09 | noalternative | anyway I am really having trouble with blueman |
| 02:32.31 | noalternative | it won't pair or give me a pin that matches the pin on my phone |
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| 02:32.49 | noalternative | anyway network manager and blueman are both back |
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| 02:33.53 | noalternative | jmcnaught thanks for the help |
| 02:34.00 | yates | what's the apt/dpkg equivalent to yum info ? |
| 02:34.13 | yates | i.e., just print information about a package, like description, version, etc? |
| 02:34.28 | noalternative | yates apt-cache search |
| 02:34.38 | rjsalts | yates, what does yum info do? show you package description? |
| 02:34.45 | noalternative | gives you information about packages |
| 02:35.12 | yates | yes |
| 02:35.16 | rjsalts | so is it apt-cache search or apt-cache show $package |
| 02:35.31 | noalternative | not sure |
| 02:35.32 | yates | ok, thank you. |
| 02:35.51 | noalternative | show package might be more comprehensive but I haven't used it. |
| 02:36.15 | noalternative | does anyone now how to get blueman to pair and offer a pin that matches my phone |
| 02:36.39 | yates | i'm running debian on a beaglebone black and learning more about it. i use fedora on my desktop |
| 02:36.42 | yates | fyi.. |
| 02:37.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell yates about refcard |
| 02:39.26 | yates | noalternative: under fedora, you a) install a bluetooth device on your computer, b) activate bluetooth pairing on your phone. if you have bluez open (from the system tray), it will show you which devices are available for pairing |
| 02:40.06 | yates | i believe (that's from memory, so caveat) |
| 02:40.27 | yates | SSD memory - with lots of bad blocks... :) |
| 02:41.17 | yates | abrotman: got a url? |
| 02:41.37 | yates | dpkg: ?refcard |
| 02:41.37 | dpkg | yates: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 02:41.47 | yates | he. |
| 02:42.03 | yates | pebkac? |
| 02:42.28 | noalternative | lxde wheezy uses blueman, not bluez |
| 02:42.54 | noalternative | in lxde wheezy it appears to be a comman line program |
| 02:43.09 | jmcnaught | yates: dpkg should have sent you a private message.. but try "/msg dpkg refcard" |
| 02:43.09 | noalternative | though blueman may well be front end |
| 02:43.16 | yates | oh! |
| 02:43.29 | yates | got it - thanks |
| 02:43.30 | noalternative | it blueman finds the phone |
| 02:43.40 | noalternative | it just won't offer a pin that matches the phone |
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| 02:45.48 | yates | sounds like your phone isn't advertising a secure pair. |
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| 02:46.04 | yates | noalternative: it looks like blueman is a manager built on top of bluez(4 or 5) |
| 02:46.07 | noalternative | not sure |
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| 02:46.24 | noalternative | it is a feature phone so if it isn't their is nothing I can do |
| 02:46.35 | noalternative | it won't pair with my android tablet either |
| 02:46.42 | noalternative | nor with my mothers phone |
| 02:46.50 | noalternative | so it seems like more of a problem with blueman |
| 02:47.30 | yates | which version of blueman are you using? i have 1.23 here and i'll try it with my Hg android |
| 02:47.55 | yates | i have a rockfish bluetooth usb |
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| 02:48.25 | noalternative | I am using blueman 1.22 with the rockfish bluetooth usb |
| 02:48.47 | noalternative | are you not using wheezy |
| 02:49.03 | noalternative | I have heard it works betters on testing and unstable |
| 02:50.04 | yates | well i was just gonna try it on fedora |
| 02:50.14 | noalternative | oh ok |
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| 02:56.34 | yates | noalternative: i tried installing blueman under fedora 20 and i get this: |
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| 02:57.07 | yates | Package blueman-1.23-7.fc20.x86_64 is obsoleted by bluez-5.18-1.fc20.x86_64 which is already installed |
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| 02:57.37 | yates | so i guess we're apples and oranges.. |
| 02:57.45 | null_l33t | so I take it there is no way to use NetworkManage to set power/rts/frag options on wlan0? (ie iwconfig wlan0 power off rts 2347 frag 2346 - but with nm) |
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| 02:59.23 | sim590 | /leav/ |
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| 02:59.47 | fluffywolf | how do I make apt-get and/or aptitude ignore dependency issues not directly related to the package I'm installing? I'm getting tired of downloading and dpkg -iing packages by hand... |
| 03:00.22 | sim590 | I've just apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and now I got this message when starting ssh daemon : sshdOpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 1000105f, you have 10001090. failed. What can I do ? |
| 03:00.51 | Eremiell | sim590: try apt-get dist-upgrade instead |
| 03:01.10 | themill | fluffywolf: you should never be in that position. |
| 03:01.31 | yates | noalternative: what command line utility are you using? |
| 03:01.32 | Eremiell | fluffywolf: how about fixing the dependencies instead of ignoring them? |
| 03:02.06 | fluffywolf | Eremiell: if you can figure out how to leave an old gcc version installed without breaking dependencies, I'd love to hear it... |
| 03:02.37 | themill | fluffywolf: what version of gcc are you trying to install on what release (and for what purpose?) |
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| 03:03.38 | yates | there is something call bluetoothctl under bluez/fedora |
| 03:03.42 | fluffywolf | I'm not removing gcc-4.1 and -4.3, and if you don't allow removing them, you end up with very broken dependencies. |
| 03:03.56 | sim590 | Eremiell: it fails. Does it have to do with the fact I added sid repository to my source.list files ? I initialy was on wheezy... |
| 03:03.59 | noalternative | I am not trying to use a commandline |
| 03:04.10 | noalternative | but it might get to the point |
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| 03:04.22 | themill | fluffywolf: but why? |
| 03:04.24 | yates | i don't see the system tray icon like i did before when plugging in my rockfish, but bluetoothmon can find it and use it |
| 03:04.32 | fluffywolf | well, I can remove -4.3, but I need -4.1. |
| 03:04.37 | yates | bluetoothctl, rather. |
| 03:04.39 | fluffywolf | compiling compatible modules |
| 03:04.45 | themill | with? |
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| 03:05.23 | fluffywolf | if I remove -4.1, I can no longer work with my ancient kernel build... which I'm stuck with due to binary drivers. |
| 03:05.28 | themill | wheezy's kernels are compiled with gcc-4.6 |
| 03:05.35 | Eremiell | sim590: how it fails? I've done quite a few release upgrades and always succesfuly. |
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| 03:05.39 | themill | eek. |
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| 03:05.59 | fluffywolf | however, that's not what I asked. what I asked was how to make apt-get or aptitude ignore the gcc/etc issues and just do what I tell them to do. |
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| 03:06.21 | themill | fluffywolf: apt |
| 03:07.13 | sim590 | Eremiell: it says : http://pastebin.com/iyeZfFam |
| 03:07.49 | fluffywolf | ever since I overrode it trying to remove those a long time ago, they've refused to do anything, at all, so I've been manually walking the dependency tree and downloading and dpkg -i'ing debs... but this is a huge waste of time, and I don't see why the tools should cease functioning entirely because of a dependency issue unrelated to what I'm installing. |
| 03:08.51 | noalternative | Yate's I have a feeling debian will be moving on to just bluez as well |
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| 03:09.21 | noalternative | the blueman website is no longer accessable and the app now refers you to github and there is no documentation |
| 03:09.24 | noalternative | it is a shame really |
| 03:09.31 | fluffywolf | if you want ugly, you should see the kludges I've done to make multi-arch packages co-exist with old compilers and ld. :P |
| 03:09.44 | Eremiell | sim590: try apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri or apt-get install xserver-xorg-core |
| 03:09.54 | noalternative | I think android has ruined the prospect of making linux into a good desktop alternative by siphoning off developers |
| 03:10.10 | yates | huh? |
| 03:10.21 | yates | well, maybe |
| 03:10.32 | yates | but in this case, bluez is still actively developed, i think |
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| 03:10.47 | yates | you're just a little behind the bleeding edge |
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| 03:11.14 | yates | i don't like google and i don't like android, btw |
| 03:11.28 | Eremiell | noalternative: android syphoned linux developers? besides Google employees, mostly Java developers, I guess. |
| 03:12.03 | yates | in fact, i don't even use an android phone - just a cheap, dump net10 "voice-only" kind if device. |
| 03:12.08 | yates | and i don't do gmail |
| 03:12.08 | noalternative | many developers are college age people than go eithe way |
| 03:12.11 | themill | fluffywolf: apt's sole job is to ensure you have a consistent package selection. No, you can't get it to ignore these things. |
| 03:12.32 | sim590 | Eremiell: I've commented out the line with ̀ sid` repository and now apt-get dist-upgrade succeeds |
| 03:12.33 | yates | s/dump/dumb/ |
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| 03:12.42 | yates | s/if/of/ |
| 03:12.47 | fluffywolf | so I'm stuck downloading all my .debs by hand forever? that seems broken. |
| 03:12.58 | noalternative | there are alot debian packages that have been abandoned in the last couple of years and blueman is one of them |
| 03:13.19 | Eremiell | sim590: cool. be perfectly sure, you're on bleeding edge of wheezy and then try to upgrade to jessie first, if you wanna transit to sid. |
| 03:13.25 | noalternative | if all we are left with is comman lines options like bluez that dries up all mainstream interest. |
| 03:14.01 | yates | well bluez HAD a system tray/gui. i dunno what happened to it. |
| 03:14.02 | noalternative | college age people that can go either way |
| 03:14.10 | sim590 | ok, so to go from wheezy to another branch, all I have to do is to add it to /etc/apt/sources.lst and do apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 03:14.18 | noalternative | it doesn't have one in debian |
| 03:14.30 | noalternative | I think it just uses blueman |
| 03:14.45 | Eremiell | sim590: to go up. to go down is much more complicated. |
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| 03:15.09 | sim590 | Eremiell: okok |
| 03:15.29 | yates | i would've thunk bluez provided a replacement |
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| 03:15.43 | yates | the new versions, that is. |
| 03:16.17 | fluffywolf | ok, how about a different question. how do I install gcc-4.1 on a wheezy box? |
| 03:16.17 | Eremiell | sim590: always update first and dist-upgrade second. do it even on daily basis. upgrade can't install new dependencies and remove conflicted old ones, if nothing changed lately. dist-upgrade can do these. |
| 03:16.27 | noalternative | since it is a blueman is a front for bluez maybe the problem is with bluez |
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| 03:17.34 | Eremiell | sim590: also run autoclean and autoremove --purge at least once in a while to clean up a bit. |
| 03:19.01 | fluffywolf | (and why can't old versions of gcc co-exist, anyway?) |
| 03:20.08 | themill | fluffywolf: files can't be in more than one package at a time and there are presumably file conflicts there. That and paths have moved around. The best approach would be to build a chroot for whatever ancient debian had gcc-4.1 in it. Assuming you really can't upgrade that old and vulnerable kernel |
| 03:20.19 | Eremiell | noalternative: I don't really think people who decide to go code client applications in Java would choose to maintain some C/perl packages in Linux if there wasn't android. They'd do some J2EE or stuff. Maybe the few folks, who maintain the unofficial roms, but thet's about it. |
| 03:20.24 | sim590 | Eremiell: ok! I'll do that ! |
| 03:20.36 | fluffywolf | a chroot in my whole 500MB of free disk space... no. :) |
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| 03:22.05 | shingouz | fluffywolf: another drive for the chroot? or install the ancient debian on another box completely. finding an old computer is not that hard these days |
| 03:22.09 | beepie | what gcc version should i be using for wheezy 7.5 ? |
| 03:22.19 | beepie | (make deb-kpkg) |
| 03:23.49 | fluffywolf | my plan is to do as little busywork like that as possible, and one day have enough money to replace this box. |
| 03:24.09 | shingouz | beepie: wheezy is currently running 4:4.7.2-1 |
| 03:24.16 | fluffywolf | having my 1.3ghz celeron forever is not my plan. |
| 03:24.27 | beepie | gcc-4.7 shows here |
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| 03:24.49 | themill | wheezy's kernels are built with gcc-4.6 though |
| 03:24.55 | noalternative | If a tablet has an atom processer like the hp slate 7 is it possible to install Linux x86 on it, just like a regular laptop? |
| 03:24.59 | beepie | themill, thanks |
| 03:25.11 | noalternative | can you dual boot it like a regular laptop? |
| 03:25.19 | noalternative | maybe put debian on the sdcard? |
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| 03:26.15 | noalternative | I really don't trust google, apple and microsoft with my privacy on mainstream tablets and smartphones |
| 03:26.31 | maher | is there any point to backing up /run? |
| 03:26.32 | shingouz | fluffywolf: make the chroot on an usb stick, let it use the swap on the hd |
| 03:26.47 | noalternative | I also don't like the fact that I don't have the option to install other oses. |
| 03:27.23 | fluffywolf | that is a complete waste of time... I don't want to spend days of my time finding ways to keep this box running. it's a 1.3ghz celeron on its last legs, but replacing it costs money... |
| 03:27.24 | Eremiell | noalternative: they have ported ubuntu on some andriod tablets, so it's just matter of how much work are you ready to put into it. |
| 03:27.53 | HD|Lapto1 | does there a script exist for creating an init.d script? |
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| 03:28.07 | Smrtz|nix | Hey, I'm trying to set a static IP at boot, and I'm editing /etc/network/interfaces, but it's not setting at boot. Is there anything else I need to do? |
| 03:28.21 | noalternative | I want a tablet that gives me the same options as a pc |
| 03:28.35 | noalternative | would an intel atom powered tablet do that? |
| 03:29.56 | noalternative | my understanding is that these are not pure ubuntu systems. That you can't for instance remove android, and replace it with ubuntu |
| 03:30.03 | Eremiell | noalternative: it actually gives you quite different options, you can't understand until you try. I was all "tablets are useless" until I had to work with one for half a year. I bought myself a new one, when I had to return it. |
| 03:30.23 | maher | noalternative: there are arm tablets which can run standard linux distributions - but you need to check each model to see how hard it is to do this. |
| 03:30.49 | fluffywolf | so it sounds like I'm still stuck manually downloading debs. bleh. |
| 03:31.12 | maher | noalternative: check xda-developers.com - they often have info about attempts to get standard distros on tablets |
| 03:31.37 | noalternative | I want something in tablet form that allows me to install a regular linux distro, would an atom powered tablet allow for that, or have the locked it down like a chromebook? |
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| 03:32.12 | maher | noalternative: some tablets have locked bootloaders even if they're intel - you need to check each model |
| 03:32.25 | jpinx | fluffywolf: my eeepc has an 800Mhz cpu and runs wheezy/backports with no serious issues |
| 03:32.49 | Eremiell | noalternative: every lock can be broken. it's like UEFI. you find a way, then you flash whatever you want. |
| 03:32.49 | sim590 | Eremiell: Just to be sure. I'm on wheezy and I want to go to sid. I have this /etc/apt/sources.lst file : http://pastebin.com/Hwp90AWM. is it ok to do # apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 03:33.12 | noalternative | I am currently posting form a pentium 2 333mhz and it runs wheezy/backports |
| 03:33.19 | noalternative | it is an old thinkpad |
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| 03:33.48 | fluffywolf | is there a gcc-4.1 in wheezy-backports? *checks* |
| 03:33.57 | jpinx | noalternative: exactly :) I think fluffywolf has other issues ;) Maybe RAM limited ? |
| 03:34.16 | noalternative | I only have 256mb of ram |
| 03:34.22 | fluffywolf | no, time limited. I see no reason to spend lots of time developing kludges to keep this box around. |
| 03:34.23 | noalternative | I am sure he has more than me |
| 03:34.29 | fluffywolf | and money limited. no money to get a new one. |
| 03:34.58 | Eremiell | sim590: I'd keep the wheezy repos there and go to jessie first, but you can try. |
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| 03:35.27 | fluffywolf | no gcc-4.1 in wheezy-backports. |
| 03:35.44 | n-st | hi, i just changed my network configuration in /etc/network/interfaces and can't seem to bring eth0 back up to apply the changes. `ifup eth0` always fails with "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" |
| 03:35.48 | sim590 | Eremiell: ok ! |
| 03:35.50 | jpinx | sim590: be careful what you wish for -- if you have to ask how to get sid, you probably shouldn't |
| 03:36.07 | fluffywolf | yeah, installing sid causes lots of breakage. I've been living with it for a while. |
| 03:36.23 | jpinx | sim590: run a vm with sid will teach you why ;) |
| 03:36.24 | fluffywolf | (this box has about ten debian versions on it... from ~2004 through current sid) |
| 03:36.25 | n-st | i've found several forum posts about the problem originating from having two gateways in /etc/network/interfaces, but i only have one
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| 03:36.28 | beepie | n-st, ifdown eth0 |
| 03:36.38 | Eremiell | fluffywolf: umm, isn't wheezy-backports actually for newer versions than what wheezy got? :) |
| 03:36.42 | sim590 | jpinx: what about jessie ? |
| 03:36.44 | n-st | beepie: "interface eth0 is not configured" |
| 03:36.53 | n-st | (minus the "if") |
| 03:37.06 | n-st | (s/if/is/) |
| 03:37.07 | beepie | n-st, if it says that with ifdown then eth0 doesnt exist? |
| 03:37.08 | sim590 | there's a package I want on sid which is gmediarender |
| 03:37.14 | jpinx | sim590: what's wrong with wheezy with backports? |
| 03:37.14 | fluffywolf | Eremiell: hrmm, I do think you may be right. |
| 03:37.23 | sim590 | backports ? |
| 03:37.31 | beepie | n-st, try -> ip link set eth0 up |
| 03:37.35 | jpinx | !tell sim590 about backports |
| 03:37.40 | beepie | n-st, then ifup eth0 |
| 03:37.47 | fluffywolf | being unable to install gcc-4.1 on a newer debian seems like a bug. heh. |
| 03:37.52 | jpinx | !tell sim590 about ssb |
| 03:38.08 | n-st | beepie: "file exists" |
| 03:38.20 | beepie | n-st, what happens with ifdown ? |
| 03:38.28 | n-st | beepie: "not configured" |
| 03:38.56 | n-st | beepie: could it be seeing it as "not configured" because its config doesn't match the one in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 03:38.58 | beepie | n-st, are you using 'static' or 'manual' ? (you can post interfaces at pastebin) |
| 03:39.06 | Eremiell | sim590: I personally am running jessie (or testing in general), but I know people running sid without major problems. But yes, doing anything but stable WILL force you to give more care to your system. |
| 03:39.16 | jpinx | ,versions gcc |
| 03:39.17 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.0-3; sid: 4:4.9.0-3 |
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| 03:39.23 | jpinx | fluffywolf: ^ |
| 03:39.41 | fluffywolf | jpinx: that has what to do with what I said? |
| 03:39.52 | jpinx | fluffywolf: 4.1 is prehistoric |
| 03:40.24 | fluffywolf | ok. and that means I can't use it? people occasionally need binary compatability, you know. |
| 03:40.26 | jpinx | fluffywolf: you might like to revert to lenny or so,,,,, but it's unsupported, superceded |
| 03:40.34 | beepie | n-st, you sure eth0 wasn't remapped? |
| 03:40.39 | fluffywolf | squeeze has 4.1. |
| 03:40.41 | beepie | n-st, (ifconfig -a) |
| 03:41.10 | n-st | beepie: remapped? |
| 03:41.15 | jpinx | fluffywolf: see the versions from judd -- squeeze has 4:4.4.5-1 |
| 03:41.36 | fluffywolf | this box is a mix of ~10 years of packages, from ~2004 through current stuff from sid... I'm OK with that. all I came in here to ask was how to make apt and friends ignore dependency issues not directly related to the package I'm trying to install. |
| 03:41.36 | maher | fluffywolf: can you just make a chroot/virtual machine and try either installing an ancient vesion of debian, or just forcibly installing 4.1 in stable an dsee what breaks... |
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| 03:41.49 | beepie | n-st, how do you know whether the nic driver is loaded? |
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| 03:41.58 | jpinx | fluffywolf: use dpkg alone |
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| 03:42.17 | jpinx | fluffywolf: it'll complain, but not refuse to work |
| 03:42.18 | sim590 | ok. I'll look into debian backporst but now openssl and ssh is all broken. |
| 03:42.22 | fluffywolf | I have 4.1 installed right now. I've had it installed for a very long time. in order to keep it from being removed, I've been overriding dependencies... which has now gotten apt into a state where it refuses to function. |
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| 03:42.43 | fluffywolf | jpinx: that's what I've been doing. I'm sick of walking the dependency tree by hand and fetching a bunch of debs. |
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| 03:43.02 | Eremiell | sim590: how exactly? |
| 03:43.04 | jpinx | fluffywolf: that'sthe price of what you're tryig to do |
| 03:43.20 | sim590 | Eremiell: it says what I told you earlier :/ |
| 03:43.23 | fluffywolf | hence why I came in here and asked if there was a way to make apt-get or aptitude stop bitching about dependency problems not directly related to installing what I'm trying to install. |
| 03:43.31 | sim590 | Eremiell: even after dist-upgrade |
| 03:43.51 | jpinx | fluffywolf: iirc there's an option for aptitude to download only |
| 03:43.56 | maher | fluffywolf: there are probably various incompatibilities people worry about so they force the upgrade - you can make fake packages to satisfy dependencies with equivs... |
| 03:44.14 | n-st | beepie: ifconfig -a shows eth0, so the driver should be loaded, shouldn't it? |
| 03:44.29 | fluffywolf | maher: I think a lot of it is breaks due to multiarch stuff, but I've kludged around that already. |
| 03:44.36 | sim590 | Eremiell: openssl version mismatch |
| 03:44.41 | Eremiell | sim590: whenever one package bitches about another, try to apt-get install them one by one. one of them usually solves it. |
| 03:44.44 | n-st | beepie: here's my /etc/network/interfaces: https://imgur.com/aaHp49u |
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| 03:45.29 | sim590 | Eremiell: it's all up to date. that's what it says |
| 03:45.35 | jpinx | sim590: check your sources.list for lines with the wrong release |
| 03:45.55 | jpinx | sim590: or non-debian repos |
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| 03:46.08 | sim590 | jpinx: I've put back wheezy only and did apt-get update |
| 03:46.15 | Eremiell | sim590: they sometimes need to be configured in certain order or even depend/conflict both ways. |
| 03:46.23 | jpinx | sim590: going backwards is not an option |
| 03:46.30 | jpinx | !downgrade |
| 03:46.30 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 03:46.41 | jpinx | sim590: ^^ |
| 03:46.53 | fluffywolf | has downgraded things. sometimes it works. a purge often helps. |
| 03:47.35 | sim590 | jpinx: sooo if I ever put another depot in source.lst and apt-get dist-upgrade, I shouldn't take it out ? |
| 03:47.48 | Eremiell | you can "downgrade" one tier with each new release. :) |
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| 03:48.14 | jpinx | you "can" downgrade -- but not by using apt |
| 03:48.26 | Eremiell | sim590: you need to purge all packages from such repo and reinstall them back. |
| 03:48.32 | n-st | beepie: looks like i was just missing a default route: ip route add default via 84.x.x.x brought back the connectivity. but shouldn't that be configured automatically by the 'gateway' line in /e/n/i? |
| 03:49.01 | jpinx | sim590: save yourself a copy of dpkg -l and start cleaning up the mess ;) |
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| 03:49.14 | pakaran | Hi, Jessie user here. Getting the following in my user mailbox: |
| 03:49.16 | pakaran | error: firebird2.5:8 unknown user 'firebird' |
| 03:49.18 | pakaran | error: found error in /var/log/firebird2.5.log , skipping |
| 03:49.23 | pakaran | is this a big deal? |
| 03:49.59 | sim590 | jpinx: so for all packages not from wheezy, I purge it and then I do dist-upgrade ? |
| 03:50.01 | Eremiell | pakaran: libreoffice rolled firebird in a few weeks ago. unless you're using it... |
| 03:50.27 | pakaran | Eremiell, I'm not, I'll just ignore the entry. Or try creating the user, I guess. |
| 03:50.30 | jpinx | sim590: purge and re-install -- not dist upgrade |
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| 03:50.58 | fluffywolf | "E: Internal error, problem resolver broke stuff" ohh, that's a new one! |
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| 03:51.29 | dizzylizzy | I love how Debian breaks up the Apache package's configuration files in /etc/apache2... I'm having to work on a CentOS system for work and the default feels less modular |
| 03:51.40 | Eremiell | pakaran: it's some kind of embedded db. I'd make it a new system user and let it be. |
| 03:51.41 | dizzylizzy | I'm ending up adjusting it slightly into Debian's style |
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| 03:52.19 | pakaran | wait, how do I create a "system user", rather than a normal user? |
| 03:52.32 | fluffywolf | blah, I guess for now I'll just remove gcc-4.1, and hope I never need to compile another module before replacing this box. |
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| 03:53.10 | Eremiell | pakaran: adduser --system. go see man adduser for details. |
| 03:53.15 | pakaran | thanks |
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| 03:53.32 | beepie | n-st, you're missing the broadcast statement |
| 03:53.53 | pakaran | Eremiell, sorry, just switched from Gentoo last autumn. The scripts are always different. |
| 03:54.29 | fluffywolf | I'm trying to install something that has way, way, way too many dependencies for me to want to fetch all them by hand. |
| 03:54.48 | pakaran | that's a handy option, though. and I can see how it prevents a lot of attacks. |
| 03:54.52 | beepie | n-st, also for dns-nameservers to work, you'll need to install the package that supports that stanza (i think it's the resolvconf package, by default this stanza is not supported, even though /etc/resolv.conf is used by the system) |
| 03:55.25 | n-st | beepie: isn't the broadcast address automatically computed from the local ip and the netmask? |
| 03:55.44 | pakaran | thanks again, i'll see if this sorts it out and come back if more errors show up. it was a completely invisible error, aside from getting the mail. |
| 03:56.03 | Crackerz | I'm trying to use `start-stop-daemon` to kill a node.js application. The file is started by running `start-stop-daemon --start --exec /usr/bin/helloinit` but the CMD ends up being `/usr/bin/nodejs /usr/bin/helloinit`. I can effectively kill *all* nodejs applications but not that specific one... Any ideas? |
| 03:56.45 | n-st | beepie: btw, what's the recommended way to apply a changed /etc/net/int without a restart? |
| 03:56.55 | fluffywolf | blah, going to cost me several bucks in bandwidth. |
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| 03:59.54 | fluffywolf | "W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553" that's a new one, too. |
| 03:59.57 | n-st | Crackerz: you could use a pid file, start-stop-daemon even has a parameter to create it for you (that is, if /usr/bin/helloinit actually keeps running and doesn't just fork and terminate
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| 04:00.08 | n-st | Crackerz: when in doubt: pkill -fx :) |
| 04:00.20 | fluffywolf | security.debian.org stable/updates is something I'd rather like. |
| 04:00.26 | Crackerz | n-st: it does indeed fork and terminate. |
| 04:00.50 | Crackerz | I tried hand making the pid file and it didn't do anything but delete the file when I tried to stop the process.. |
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| 04:09.39 | doublehp_ | how to tell dhclient to ignore the DNS proposed by the DHCP server, and, keep the domain-search advised in the conf (i uses it only during 5s) ? |
| 04:10.07 | fluffywolf | "State: not installed; will be upgraded" how does that work? |
| 04:11.10 | fluffywolf | lease { option domain-name-servers x.x.x.x ; } is what I have, but I don't know how that affects domain-search... |
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| 04:11.34 | fluffywolf | (forces it to use the dns server you specify, not the one provided) |
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| 04:12.59 | Crackerz | n-st: that was a great idea actually. pgrep -f $NAME grabs the process id :-) |
| 04:13.30 | n-st | Crackerz: you might want to use -x too, so it will only find exact matches |
| 04:13.48 | doublehp_ | ping ? |
| 04:14.15 | doublehp_ | fluffywolf: option domain-name-servers |
| 04:14.39 | doublehp_ | fluffywolf: option domain-name-servers 2001:4860:4860::8888 ; => several error messages |
| 04:14.39 | fluffywolf | doublehp_: isn't that what I just said? |
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| 04:15.02 | fluffywolf | works here. :P |
| 04:15.27 | beepie | doublehp_, there's more than 1 way, man 5 dhclient.conf |
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| 04:15.31 | doublehp_ | option domain-name-servers dns1.google.local ; => expecting numerical value |
| 04:15.59 | woodqs | You can't use a hostname to resolve hostnames. |
| 04:16.00 | fluffywolf | yes, you shouldn't give a name which requires a dns lookup when specifying how to perform dns lookups. :P |
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| 04:16.00 | doublehp_ | beepie: i don't have man pages |
| 04:16.12 | woodqs | Pick a number, any number. |
| 04:16.24 | beepie | doublehp_, then ask a woman for pages |
| 04:16.42 | woodqs | If you want Google DNS, use 8.8.8.4 and 8.8.8.8 I believe |
| 04:16.57 | doublehp_ | woodqs: names are accepted in the main "prepend domain-name-servers" . I am having issue with IPv6 DNS |
| 04:17.05 | woodqs | If you want something else, or if I'm incorrect, you'll have look it up. |
| 04:17.20 | doublehp_ | woodqs: no, i need to use 2001:4860:4860::8888 |
| 04:18.31 | woodqs | Also, I think you're incorrect. Nothing I'm seeing says you can use hostnames in domain-name-servers. |
| 04:18.48 | woodqs | And the error, plus my idea of common sense, leads me to think you can't. |
| 04:19.01 | fluffywolf | ... REALITY says you have to specify at least one server numerically. otherwise there's no possible way to look up the names, unless they're in your hosts file... |
| 04:19.23 | doublehp_ | fluffywolf: ever heard of /etc/hosts ? |
| 04:19.32 | woodqs | "option domain-name-servers ip-address [, ip-address ...];" |
| 04:19.39 | fluffywolf | doublehp_: ever hear of reading the entire line someone said before replying to it? |
| 04:19.45 | doublehp_ | woodqs: failed 4 times with IPv6 |
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| 04:20.02 | woodqs | Do you have IPv6 transit working? |
| 04:20.08 | Rusty1 | man interfaces, see INET6 ADRESS FAMILY |
| 04:20.09 | doublehp_ | specified ipv4 IP ...was also ignored |
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| 04:20.56 | doublehp_ | hell |
| 04:21.03 | beepie | !rtfm |
| 04:21.03 | dpkg | hmm... rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 04:21.08 | doublehp_ | the ip i gave in the conf appeared after 5s |
| 04:21.12 | doublehp_ | and gone away after 10s |
| 04:21.43 | doublehp_ | woodqs: ipv6 traffic works; but my isp dns sux |
| 04:21.51 | doublehp_ | Rusty1: i don't have man pages |
| 04:21.57 | doublehp_ | beepie: i don't have man pages |
| 04:21.58 | woodqs | Then you've got another problem seperate from DNS. Uh you waant to use dhclient.conf to set up that too. |
| 04:22.06 | fluffywolf | do you have something other than dhclient? |
| 04:22.25 | woodqs | Also if you don't have man pages and you CAN install them, please do at your earliest convinience. |
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| 04:23.10 | doublehp_ | fluffywolf: never touched the network conf of this machine; everything around network on this machine have been setup by the debian net-inst stuff. So, in short, it's all default. |
| 04:23.34 | doublehp_ | woodqs: no, i can't install them; i don't have disk space |
| 04:23.36 | woodqs | Ok. Do you have a graphical environment like GNOME, KDE, or XFCE installed? |
| 04:23.44 | woodqs | Uh... man pages are tiny. |
| 04:23.59 | doublehp_ | woodqs: removing man pages allowed me to install Firefox |
| 04:24.04 | fluffywolf | I'm guessing this is an embedded system, with no X. |
| 04:24.17 | woodqs | And even if you can't there are sites, including one operated by the Debian project, that display them. |
| 04:24.23 | Rusty1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:24.25 | fluffywolf | no one else skips manpages. :) |
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| 04:24.42 | woodqs | fluffywolf: That and people who are uninterested in reading them I guess. |
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| 04:24.55 | Eremiell | woodqs: ever seen texlive-latex-extra-doc? :) |
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| 04:25.09 | doublehp_ | Rusty1: and ... firefox is DEADLY SLOW because mof my isp dns is broken |
| 04:25.13 | woodqs | I don't think I want to. Sounds like it may cause cancer. |
| 04:25.14 | doublehp_ | thaht's why i came on irc |
| 04:25.47 | fluffywolf | I tunnel everything, because my ISP fucks with everything, and you need to bypass them if you want anything to work. heh. |
| 04:25.51 | Eremiell | doublehp_: set other dns then. |
| 04:25.55 | woodqs | If you are running a DE, you likely have some applet controlling and reverting your network settings. |
| 04:26.06 | woodqs | I'd wager dhclient isn't even being used. |
| 04:26.23 | doublehp_ | Eremiell: that's what i am trying to do since 20mn !!! |
| 04:26.37 | doublehp_ | woodqs: i don't have DE |
| 04:26.49 | Snoopy | . |
| 04:26.51 | fluffywolf | their dns blocks about half the internet, and they look for anything that resembles a http connection, break it if it looks like an image or video, and insert javascript into it if it looks like html. |
| 04:27.13 | woodqs | Lol your ISP sounds like it sucks. |
| 04:27.22 | woodqs | I'm guessing you don't have other choices in the area. |
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| 04:27.40 | Eremiell | you two are living in northern korea or what? :) |
| 04:27.41 | Snoopy | :P |
| 04:27.46 | fluffywolf | virgin mobile... they're "improving" my experience. |
| 04:27.49 | snadge | sounds like a "free" isp.. i wouldn't pay money for something like that |
| 04:28.01 | n-st | my / is mounted with the 'relatime' option, but the mtime of /var/cache/apt doesn't change when i run apt-get update. what am i missing (especially since the mtime changes on all of my systems, except this one)? |
| 04:28.03 | fluffywolf | free? try $55 for 5GB. |
| 04:28.13 | snadge | not free.. i would've thought mr branson wouldn't run a company that does something like that.. but there you go |
| 04:28.45 | doublehp_ | also ... i have seen that, few after dhclient is run, i have v4 DNS; and few seconds later, they change for v6 ones ... so, yes, some daemons seems to override dhclient ... |
| 04:28.57 | fluffywolf | apt-get update just cost me 50 cents... and installing some things is costing me $1... |
| 04:29.22 | woodqs | Cellular data? |
| 04:29.33 | fluffywolf | yes |
| 04:29.34 | Eremiell | and I thought, my isp is expensive... |
| 04:29.38 | woodqs | No thanks! |
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| 04:30.08 | fluffywolf | did I mention it's horribly unreliable, and peak speeds during prime-time tend to be in the range of 200kbps down, 20kbps up, and disconnecting every few minutes? |
| 04:30.33 | doublehp_ | => how do i fix my DNS ? |
| 04:30.35 | fluffywolf | now that it's later at night, I'm getting 800kbps down... wouldn't even try installing updates earlier. |
| 04:30.49 | doublehp_ | on gentoo, it's easy, i have resolve.conf.head :/ |
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| 04:32.05 | themill | dpkg: tell doublehp_ about override dns |
| 04:32.16 | Dagger | edit /etc/resolv.conf as appropriate and then set it to be immutable |
| 04:32.23 | Dagger | ...there's probably a better way... |
| 04:32.24 | themill | don't do that |
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| 04:32.55 | themill | doublehp_: resolveconf gives you a /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head in the same way or, better, tell the dhcp client what information to use as dpkg said |
| 04:32.57 | doublehp_ | themill: i just explained that ... all dhcp settings (server and client) are overriden by ipv6 !!! |
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| 04:33.08 | woodqs | "IPv6 |
| 04:33.15 | woodqs | " doesn't overwrite stuff. |
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| 04:33.30 | doublehp_ | woodqs: it does on my box |
| 04:33.38 | yates | is there a log showing all package transactions? |
| 04:33.45 | woodqs | Perception and reality are not the same things. You just think "IPv6" is overwriting stuff. |
| 04:33.46 | yates | since system creation? |
| 04:34.07 | woodqs | Reality is that some daemon on your system is autoconfiguring IPv4 correctly then IPv6 incorrectly. |
| 04:34.08 | themill | doublehp_: ipv6 is just a protocol on the wire. Maybe you're also running a separate ipv6 dhcp client? |
| 04:34.46 | fluffywolf | "Fetched 43.8 MB in 10min 50s (67.3 kB/s)" there goes another 50 cents. |
| 04:34.56 | woodqs | doublehp_: I for one would like to know more about your system environment. |
| 04:35.02 | beepie | wonders if snorby would be great to have on debian |
| 04:35.03 | themill | (or if it's the same dhcp client, would still need separately configuring) |
| 04:35.12 | woodqs | e.g. You have Firefox but not a DE. Which WM are you running? |
| 04:35.33 | fluffywolf | I have firefox but no DE. icewm++ |
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| 04:36.21 | woodqs | I'm more wondering if his WM comes with an applet. |
| 04:36.32 | woodqs | I know it can be done, I used TWM for ages. |
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| 04:36.43 | woodqs | Well after I should have stopped :P |
| 04:36.44 | beepie | fluffywolf, firefox? there's no firefox on debian XD |
| 04:36.49 | fluffywolf | I want software to help me do things, not get in my way. hence, no DE. |
| 04:37.03 | fluffywolf | beepie: amazingly, you can install software from sources other than the debian repositories. |
| 04:37.20 | doublehp_ | themill: i don't know: all debian default set by install tools. |
| 04:37.22 | beepie | fluffywolf, yep but firefox is becoming drm |
| 04:37.24 | woodqs | fluffywolf: RMS cries when you do it. |
| 04:37.35 | doublehp_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.40 | woodqs | He says kittens die. |
| 04:38.06 | doublehp_ | woodqs: E16 forever |
| 04:38.29 | fluffywolf | I'd love a browser that doesn't suck... too bad dillo is too underfeatured... |
| 04:38.58 | doublehp_ | beepie: iceweasel, or chrome , name really does not matter. |
| 04:39.24 | doublehp_ | fluffywolf: links, and elinks |
| 04:39.31 | beepie | software freedom matteres. |
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| 04:39.38 | beepie | -_- |
| 04:39.47 | fluffywolf | those are even more underfeatured. dillo is nice... |
| 04:40.07 | doublehp_ | and my resolv.conf still sux |
| 04:40.16 | YarpUser123 | y |
| 04:40.27 | YarpUser123 | jk i dun care |
| 04:40.28 | YarpUser123 | lol |
| 04:40.31 | beepie | maybe your distro sux that you don't have manpages |
| 04:40.38 | woodqs | fluffywolf: I "need" a browser that can run a good ad blocker. |
| 04:40.53 | doublehp_ | woodqs: iceweasel (if name matters) |
| 04:40.59 | YarpUser123 | ur mom is a man |
| 04:43.43 | doublehp_ | echo "* * * * * root cat /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head > /etc/resolv.conf" >> /etc/crontab . DONE. |
| 04:43.57 | fluffywolf | bbl, wolfy bedtime |
| 04:45.21 | doublehp_ | and system (iceweasel) is now way faster |
| 04:46.02 | fluffywolf | lol |
| 04:46.15 | woodqs | doublehp_: If you're not going to solve the problem, just make the file immutable. |
| 04:46.24 | woodqs | No need for an echo every second. |
| 04:46.31 | doublehp_ | woodqs: minute |
| 04:46.40 | doublehp_ | like, chmod -W ? |
| 04:46.43 | doublehp_ | -w ? |
| 04:46.48 | fluffywolf | that reminds me, I need to know what the most-portable way is for a program to add a cron job... but that's a question for another day. now, sleep. |
| 04:47.19 | doublehp_ | fluffywolf: cron.d, after checking the /var version |
| 04:47.36 | doublehp_ | fluffywolf: linux, bsd, and solaris all support the /var stuff |
| 04:47.36 | rjsalts | fluffywolf, crontab -e for the user the program runs as? |
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| 04:47.48 | doublehp_ | rjsalts: ah YES |
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| 04:49.59 | Eremiell | how hard is it to set an apt-proxy? I seem to be doing quite some debootstraps lately. |
| 04:50.34 | jmcnaught | Eremiell: apt-cacher-ng is pretty easy to set up |
| 04:52.48 | Eremiell | jmcnaught: thanks. will give it a try. |
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| 04:54.50 | themill | Eremiell: the newer version in wheezy-backports has some advantages btw |
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| 04:58.14 | Eremiell | themill: guess the newer version in jessie will serve me better. ;) |
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| 04:59.52 | themill | :) |
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| 06:25.32 | jeredepp | Hello everyone i got an iscsi drive which should be set to automount in the iscsi.conf, but sometimes the mountpoint switches (/dev/sda to /dev/sdb) is there any way to fix that |
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| 06:46.54 | jeep | jmd: udev rules work well |
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| 06:48.09 | themill | jmd: I'm not clear why you're ruling out fstab here |
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| 06:48.40 | jmd | themill: Well /etc/fstab applies globally. |
| 06:48.56 | themill | so do mount points |
| 06:49.03 | themill | (and mounts) |
| 06:49.09 | jmd | Huh?? |
| 06:49.57 | jmd | I want things to be mounted only in certain runlevels (and perhaps then under certain conditions only). |
| 06:50.28 | themill | ahh. You hadn't explained that bit, hence me asking why you're ruling out fstab |
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| 06:52.34 | jmd | I thought it was clear from my second sentance. |
| 06:53.19 | jmd | jeep: So how could I use a udev rule to (say) mount /home in runlevel 3 only? |
| 06:53.33 | themill | not to me. It sounded like you were saying that fstab cannot indicate something should be automatically mounted at boot time. |
| 06:54.01 | kysse | indeed |
| 06:56.12 | jmd | Well anyway, that was what I meant. I want things to be mounted in certain runlevels only. |
| 06:56.40 | themill | ack |
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| 07:00.06 | Crackerz | @jmd this might be hackish but you could do it with a basic init.d script and `mount` / `umount` |
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| 07:04.01 | m3tti | just a few questions why is debian going to use the systemd stuff? and what will be the default desktop in jessy |
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| 07:04.08 | formorer | a) why not b) even when I think the term "default" is too much, it is probably gnome |
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| 07:07.32 | grok | btw, the mate 1.8 backport is working superbly in wheezy |
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| 07:13.14 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 07:13.45 | MaxFrames | can you clarify this step of the upgrade (squeeze to wheezy) procedure? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgradingpackages |
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| 07:14.17 | formorer | MaxFrames: what exactly, apt? |
| 07:14.28 | MaxFrames | is it _always_ needed to issue that mount command? or just in some cases? I think I never did |
| 07:15.00 | formorer | _if_ you have ro partitions it is always needed |
| 07:15.07 | formorer | but usually you don't have such partitions |
| 07:15.30 | MaxFrames | I'm pretty sure I don't have read only partitions, how can I check anyway? |
| 07:15.55 | themill | MaxFrames: the output of "mount" |
| 07:15.55 | formorer | check the output of the mount command |
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| 07:16.22 | formorer | but if you don't know about them, you probably don't have any |
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| 07:16.45 | MaxFrames | ok, all partitions say "rw" |
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| 07:21.04 | MaxFrames | is it always in any case a good housekeeping idea to run "apt-get autoremove"? as I understand it, it will only remove packages that were automatically installed as dependencies but are no longer needed? |
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| 07:22.15 | MaxFrames | I've read horror stories of this command removing _much_ more than that |
| 07:22.25 | themill | well that's from people who don't read |
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| 07:23.10 | grok | it doesn't hurt to check what autoremove wants to remove before actually doing it. |
| 07:23.10 | themill | The tools very clearly tell you what they are going to do. Pressing Y without reading isn't a clever move as with any other command |
| 07:23.17 | formorer | MaxFrames: you should check the output carefully. |
| 07:23.33 | formorer | MaxFrames: I personally don't recommend autoremove |
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| 07:23.53 | themill | yes, it's good housekeeping. purging packages that are only removed is also good housekeeping. You make the upgrade simpler if you do this and also are much less likely to hit strange upgrade bugs (there's a fun set of them with unpurged packages from etch systems on latter upgrades) |
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| 07:25.53 | MaxFrames | purge=remove leftover configuration files? |
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| 07:26.04 | formorer | yes. |
| 07:26.15 | formorer | (and other data files) |
| 07:27.02 | grok | in instances where a whole desktop is manually removed, it can automatically add to the autoremove list things like lightdm and network-manager, which you probablt don't want removed. |
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| 07:27.06 | MaxFrames | so assuming I have these files from packages I already removed, how would I go about purging them? |
| 07:27.22 | themill | MaxFrames: aptitude search ~c; aptitude purge ~c |
| 07:27.44 | MaxFrames | aptitude? not apt-get? |
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| 07:29.10 | MaxFrames | anyway aptitude search ~c returned nothing |
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| 07:31.32 | vak0160 | is lxde on jessie got fixed? |
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| 07:31.43 | vak0160 | unable to shutdown, restart, etc |
| 07:31.52 | vak0160 | synaptic won't run |
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| 07:32.52 | musca | which version of policykit-1 do you use, vak0160? |
| 07:33.35 | vak0160 | sorry, i'm rather new with jessie |
| 07:33.45 | vak0160 | what do you mean with policykit-1 ? |
| 07:34.45 | musca | It's a package, you can list it with: dpkg -l | grep policykit-1 |
| 07:35.20 | vak0160 | let me check it first |
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| 07:38.05 | vak0160 | policykit-1 0.105-5 |
| 07:38.19 | vak0160 | downloaded this iso on may |
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| 07:39.50 | musca | vak0160: But you know that jessie gets updated every day? |
| 07:39.58 | vak0160 | yes |
| 07:40.14 | Eremiell | musca: more like every hour :) |
| 07:40.26 | vak0160 | i once installed it in VM |
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| 07:40.56 | vak0160 | lxde got broken, so I deleted it |
| 07:41.08 | musca | ,v policykit-1 --release jessie |
| 07:41.09 | judd | Package: policykit-1 on i386 -- jessie: 0.105-6 |
| 07:41.28 | musca | vak0160: slightly outdated |
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| 07:42.28 | vak0160 | I just want to know if lxde got fixed now |
| 07:42.43 | vak0160 | still using wheezy in portable HDD |
| 07:43.24 | musca | vak0160: did you migrate to systemd already? |
| 07:43.35 | vak0160 | not yet |
| 07:44.04 | vak0160 | but i want to |
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| 07:44.15 | vak0160 | at least when lxde got fixed |
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| 07:45.47 | musca | vak0160: that may be a reason as policykit-1 0.105-5 enabled systemd support on linux architectures |
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| 07:47.22 | vak0160 | where i can find information about each version of policykit-1? |
| 07:47.53 | musca | apt-get changelog <package> |
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| 07:49.41 | vak0160 | ok, thanks guys |
| 07:49.47 | musca | vak0160: installed packages usually bring a file like /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 07:55.14 | LoveAndHappyness | hi guys |
| 07:55.21 | LoveAndHappyness | I need help with the debian installation |
| 07:55.28 | LoveAndHappyness | anyone here that could help me? |
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| 07:56.09 | LoveAndHappyness | And how do I change my name, I notice a spelling mistake? |
| 07:56.31 | vak0160 | `/nick YourNewName` |
| 07:57.11 | LoveAndHappiness | thx |
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| 07:59.02 | Soly | what's your problem? |
| 07:59.30 | LoveAndHappiness | I am thinking: Is a AMD Quadcore a amd64 from architecture? I think yes, right? |
| 08:00.10 | LoveAndHappiness | And generally thinking... Zorin or Debian... |
| 08:00.15 | Soly | 32 bit or 64 bit |
| 08:00.49 | Soly | amd quad core it's not necessary 64 bit |
| 08:01.00 | LoveAndHappiness | How do I find out Soly |
| 08:01.30 | LoveAndHappiness | I am currently on Win7 |
| 08:01.31 | Soly | what's your os now? |
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| 08:02.15 | LoveAndHappiness | ok |
| 08:02.16 | Soly | start -> system resource |
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| 08:02.34 | Soly | if system type is x86 -> 32 bit |
| 08:02.36 | LoveAndHappiness | I just see in my System resources: Systemtype: 64 Bit-OS-System... that answers the question |
| 08:02.43 | Soly | ok |
| 08:02.48 | Soly | perfect |
| 08:03.06 | Soly | amd64 it's your discto |
| 08:03.11 | Soly | distro* |
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| 08:03.17 | Soly | architetur |
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| 08:03.48 | Soly | it's your linux first time? |
| 08:04.01 | LoveAndHappiness | Yes. |
| 08:04.13 | Soly | mmm |
| 08:04.15 | LoveAndHappiness | I has ubuntu installed a couple of days before, what I didn't like it. |
| 08:04.21 | LoveAndHappiness | -s +d |
| 08:04.32 | LoveAndHappiness | Now I am thining either trying Zorin or Debian right away |
| 08:04.42 | Soly | Debian |
| 08:04.46 | LoveAndHappiness | I am inclined to use Debian |
| 08:04.53 | Soly | zorin it's base on ubuntu |
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| 08:04.59 | LoveAndHappiness | Shouldn't here: |
| 08:05.00 | LoveAndHappiness | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ |
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| 08:05.09 | LoveAndHappiness | be a BIG ORANGE Downloadbutton? |
| 08:05.25 | LoveAndHappiness | People who come from Windows don't like to read a lot :) |
| 08:05.57 | Soly | stable or jessie? |
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| 08:06.37 | LoveAndHappiness | stable or jessie? |
| 08:06.46 | vak0160 | stable or testing? |
| 08:06.47 | LoveAndHappiness | What or who is jessie? |
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| 08:06.59 | Soly | debian stable or debian testing? |
| 08:07.00 | LoveAndHappiness | I'd like to make a dual boot |
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| 08:07.09 | LoveAndHappiness | what |
| 08:07.13 | LoveAndHappiness | is the difference? |
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| 08:07.29 | Soly | stable = stable but oldest package |
| 08:07.42 | LoveAndHappiness | Ah, ok. |
| 08:07.46 | LoveAndHappiness | Better the newest.. |
| 08:07.54 | Soly | testing = next stable relase, newest package |
| 08:07.57 | LoveAndHappiness | I've trust in the community |
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| 08:09.51 | Soly | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 08:12.05 | LoveAndHappiness | Thx |
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| 08:15.04 | Anarch | How can I find out, from the console, what video mode a currently-running Linux was booted with (i.e, what vga= parameter was used)? |
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| 08:15.44 | fhffhqvb | dmesg | grep VGA |
| 08:15.46 | fhffhqvb | ? |
| 08:15.53 | Soly | you have try xrandr? |
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| 08:17.07 | LoveAndHappiness | Hey soly, everyone on youtube is suggesting, that windows users should better use Zorin, why do you suggest debian, if I may ask? :) |
| 08:17.47 | Dewi | *everone* is suggesting using this thing I've never heard of? |
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| 08:18.22 | Soly | -,- |
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| 08:18.36 | LoveAndHappiness | Okay okay... everyone is an exaggeration, what I mean is: Every suggested Next Video on youtube... |
| 08:18.39 | Anarch | fhffhqvb: OK, that gives me "colour VGA+ 80x25", not the mode; but I can work from that. Thanks. |
| 08:19.03 | LoveAndHappiness | lol I know they are suggesting it, from my current already watched videos |
| 08:19.19 | vak0160 | looks like a windows clone |
| 08:19.25 | Soly | ahahahah |
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| 08:19.51 | Dewi | okay so it's roughly the 10th most viewed distro on distrowatch |
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| 08:20.32 | LoveAndHappiness | youtube.com/watch?v=414Qs4oiKtY |
| 08:20.43 | Dewi | more than I expected, but even that's not usage, just interest |
| 08:20.44 | LoveAndHappiness | btw... is this chat recorded by the nsa? |
| 08:21.19 | bezaban | LoveAndHappiness: which distribution to choose depends a lot on your requirements and needs. To turn it around, if you want cutting edge software and hardware support (at the cost of stability) and the latest versions of programs, do not use Debian. |
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| 08:23.08 | Soly | bezaban's right |
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| 08:24.39 | n2diy | Ubuntu had a graphical user manager, but i can't find it now that I've switched to Debian. I just tried kuser, but it isn't what Ubuntu was using. Any idea what package I'm looking for? |
| 08:24.41 | themill | dpkg: tell erikbee about root |
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| 08:24.41 | LoveAndHappiness | hm... bezaban... this makes me thinking... didn't knew that with debian you're bound to old software |
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| 08:25.00 | Dewi | LoveAndHappiness: debian releases every 2 years or so |
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| 08:25.32 | bezaban | Debian (stable) focuses on building a good stable system with known good versions that work together and then keeps them for a while. It is not a rolling release. Ubuntu, I would argue, has more of a desktop focus, although Debian offers a good desktop too |
| 08:25.55 | LoveAndHappiness | I'll just need a good text editor... lamp (equivalent for wamp), some adobe products... I think debian could handle this... |
| 08:26.21 | LoveAndHappiness | just for webdevelopment, because windows sucks on this |
| 08:26.41 | Dewi | um, which adobe products? |
| 08:26.45 | bezaban | :P |
| 08:26.49 | musca | heh, adobe :) |
| 08:26.50 | LoveAndHappiness | photoshop, Illustrator |
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| 08:27.03 | Dewi | those run on windows and osx |
| 08:27.16 | Dewi | not linux |
| 08:27.36 | LoveAndHappiness | ok... that's why I'd like to have a dual boot windows AND linux on the same hard drive... |
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| 08:27.55 | LoveAndHappiness | I know it's not the best option... but iOS is not going to happen |
| 08:28.03 | LoveAndHappiness | and windows doesn't have node npm support |
| 08:28.10 | Dewi | yes it does |
| 08:28.32 | LoveAndHappiness | wait... I'll find a link to prove you wrong... |
| 08:28.34 | bezaban | for that kind of setup I would probably run the LAMP in a small virtual machine. Rebooting every time you want to edit an image before you can view it on the web server sounds terribly unproductive |
| 08:29.41 | LoveAndHappiness | that's an option I'll look further into... haven't yet had any virtual machines, thx for this bezaban. |
| 08:30.18 | bezaban | LoveAndHappiness: if not it is a very good place to test different linux distributions before you settle on one |
| 08:30.24 | Dewi | I'd agree with that, although it's usually not absolutely necessary to run VMs, I find it useful too |
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| 08:30.43 | MaxFrames | yes, virtualize it. |
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| 08:31.13 | bezaban | either that or set up a linux server on some outdated hardware you might have lying around :) |
| 08:31.15 | MaxFrames | or virtualise it if your locale is en-uk :P |
| 08:31.30 | Dewi | but node and npm are written in javascript and run everywhere |
| 08:31.33 | Dewi | http://nodejs.org/download/ |
| 08:31.58 | Eremiell | LoveAndHappiness: or get an rpi. you can put raspbian on it and use it as test lamp server. |
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| 08:34.09 | LoveAndHappiness | Dewi I now, but there is a new issue with the way npm handles required node_modules (they do it through nesting). By installing for example mocha via npm, it creates a file path that is to long for windows to handle. You then can't move it, can't delete it, can't push it with git... It's windwos that doesn't allow filepaths to be longer than 255 varchars for filenames/filepaths. |
| 08:34.25 | Dewi | (you'll get the least integration friction running node in linux, and since it's all console/daemon stuff VM will do it fine. I'd go debian or ubuntu for that) |
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| 08:35.36 | Dewi | LoveAndHappiness: ah yep. that can happen |
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| 08:37.13 | OpenTokix | Dewi: no, node is a real binary program written in a real programming language =) - but it runs apps written in playmobil language javascript |
| 08:38.01 | Dewi | OpenTokix: yeah, parts of it are native |
| 08:38.30 | MaxFrames | LoveAndHappiness: actually I don't think that is accurate. see here http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa365247.aspx |
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| 08:38.48 | MaxFrames | "The Windows API has many functions that also have Unicode versions to permit an extended-length path for a maximum total path length of 32,767 characters" |
| 08:38.57 | Eremiell | default debian install seems to add 127.0.1.1 to /etc/hosts while debootsrapped one doesn't have that line. is it needed for something special? |
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| 08:39.35 | Dewi | MaxFrames: yeah, lots of tools don't use those new calls, but more and more do |
| 08:39.46 | LoveAndHappiness | MaxFrames I know. It's not actually windows, that has the problems. In my understanding the programs build around windows don't support long path length... like explorer... |
| 08:40.29 | MaxFrames | in short, if the proper APIs are used, the 260 characters path limit is non-existent |
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| 08:42.38 | engineeress | I got a "general protection fault" in my wheezy install today ... http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/137986/37493 ... should I be worried and what can I do? |
| 08:42.50 | LoveAndHappiness | if |
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| 08:43.33 | Dewi | MaxFrames: apparently neither the graphical shell nor console do though, in win7 at least |
| 08:44.03 | MaxFrames | by console you mean cmd.exe or powershell? |
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| 08:44.11 | Dewi | cmd.exe |
| 08:44.55 | xy | Hello, i'm having a problem with a recently installed debian system (inside qemu-kvm running on a dedicated server that runs debian too). On the host, gcc works fine but inside the virtual machine, gcc segfaults even when compiling something as simple as "int main(void) {return 0;}" |
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| 08:46.45 | OpenTokix | xy: do a strace on the gcc |
| 08:46.48 | OpenTokix | to see where it fails |
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| 08:46.53 | xy | Error message is "this.c:1:0: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault" (full output is http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c5117859/) |
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| 08:47.59 | OpenTokix | xy: nothing in the systems logs? |
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| 08:48.11 | xy | OpenTokix: one second, pasting strace and system logs |
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| 08:50.56 | xy | OpenTokix: no recent messages at all in the vm's syslogs, strace at http://paste.debian.net/105773/ |
| 08:51.01 | tdn | I am trying to create a chroot env for ssh. I have copied /bin/bash and /bin/sh into the chroot folder as well as all the libs referenced in ldd /bin/bash. I also created a dev folder and created null and zero devices in there using mknod. However, when I run 'chroot /chroot /bin/bash' as root, I get this error: chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory What am I missing here? |
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| 08:54.53 | OpenTokix | xy: How did you install this system? |
| 08:55.19 | xy | OpenTokix: using virt-manager i created a virtual machine and installed it from the latest stable debian (7.5.0 i think) ISO |
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| 09:01.54 | pupil | hello, good afternoon |
| 09:02.42 | pupil | is there any convention on making or reading man page ? |
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| 09:07.20 | aphoriser | if I did apt-get install where are the files bin most likely located now? |
| 09:08.03 | aphoriser | I can see ./exec's are now in system path but I can find where it would normally put things in /usr/local/share |
| 09:09.02 | Dewi | aphoriser: https://wiki.debian.org/FilesystemHierarchyStandard |
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| 09:09.24 | OpenTokix | xy: ok, because it looks like you might have architecture mismatch, ie trying to run 64 bit compile on a 32 bit machine, this is my best guess atm. |
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| 09:10.04 | Dewi | aphoriser: /usr/local is reserved for "local data installed by the system administrator" |
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| 09:10.41 | Dewi | aphoriser: it's up to the package maintainer to choose paths compliant with policy and standards |
| 09:11.04 | Dewi | aphoriser: so I guess /usr/share ? |
| 09:11.19 | Dewi | /usr/share/[package] |
| 09:11.25 | aphoriser | Dewi, indeed thanks |
| 09:11.53 | xy | OpenTokix: file /sbin/init gives /sbin/init: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV) - uname -m gives x86_64 - pretty sure it's a 64 bit machine and a 64 bit install |
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| 09:16.10 | makalu | is it just me or Virtualbox from APT doesn't work on Debian unstable? |
| 09:17.28 | petern_ | -> #debian-next on oftc |
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| 09:22.42 | bezaban | aphoriser: to find where binaries are located you can use the 'which' command. ie 'which ls' |
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| 09:24.01 | aphoriser | bezaban, very good to know also thanks |
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| 09:24.41 | vak0160 | is having 32bit or 64bit debian really have tremendous effect on memory usage? |
| 09:24.59 | buu | no |
| 09:25.10 | vak0160 | i have wheezy 32bit right now for home, and ubuntu 64bit for office |
| 09:25.22 | vak0160 | and ubuntu 64bit use almost twice memory |
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| 09:27.00 | pupil | vak0160: i use wheezy 64bit |
| 09:27.22 | pupil | because i want to maximize my memory (8G) without pae kernel |
| 09:27.38 | vak0160 | pupil: did you compare it with 32bit? |
| 09:27.47 | pupil | vak0160: no |
| 09:28.14 | vak0160 | just wondering, is ubuntu really hog memory or just the arch |
| 09:28.16 | pupil | but the fact is, 32bit system operation can not use more than 3 GB memory |
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| 09:28.49 | pupil | vak0160: i think it depends on the running service and apps |
| 09:29.00 | pupil | use top to check it |
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| 09:29.13 | vak0160 | i run a lot more service in my wheezy 32bit |
| 09:29.41 | vak0160 | and xorg, java, firefox run with twice memory usage in ubuntu 64bit |
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| 09:31.02 | vak0160 | to make it worse, the office laptop which have ubuntu 64bit only have 2GB memory and I doubt the company would gladly upgrade it if i ask |
| 09:31.19 | pupil | hem, twice memory usage for the same apps?? |
| 09:31.35 | vak0160 | yes, firefox, xorg, java(eclipse) |
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| 09:32.19 | grok | same desktop environment? |
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| 09:32.35 | vak0160 | vanilla lxde from each repository |
| 09:33.07 | vak0160 | for ubuntu, i installed lxde above normal installation |
| 09:33.08 | fleetfox | you manage to run eclipse with 2gb of ram? O_O |
| 09:33.18 | vak0160 | only if using lxde |
| 09:33.54 | pupil | vak0160: does the firefox open the same number of tabs and the same webpage each tab? |
| 09:33.56 | vak0160 | to be exact, running firefox, eclipse+pydev, and virtualbox with 384 vmemory |
| 09:34.06 | fleetfox | :DDDD |
| 09:34.11 | fleetfox | impressive |
| 09:34.17 | sunny_s | Anybody have problem with using Eclipse (All version) on current debian unstable? It crashing for me.. imposible to work, with Error in `/usr/lib/eclipse/eclipse': munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x9f31ab90 *** |
| 09:34.18 | vak0160 | the firefox only open about:home |
| 09:35.34 | i336_ | sunny_s: that's definitely a bug, might want to report it |
| 09:35.59 | i336_ | sunny_s: perhaps run it through gdb, get a backtrace, and poke #eclipse and/or the bugtracker w/ it :P |
| 09:36.44 | sunny_s | will try get backtrace... |
| 09:36.48 | i336_ | cool |
| 09:37.05 | i336_ | hopefully said backtrace contains sufficiently useful information :P |
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| 09:38.29 | i336_ | vak0160: I have some... experience with low-memory systems (=P), and I recommend the Dillo and NetSurf web browsers; these are very lightweight, but are very accessible, and NetSurf in particular uses a mind-bogglingly small amount of RAM (eg, loading a 10MB GIF (yes, it plays animated GIFs!) uses 35MB RAM for the whole process - !!!) |
| 09:38.48 | i336_ | vak0160: (it's the smallest animated GIF player for Linux, actually. `animate' would chomp like 300MB to do the same task >.>) |
| 09:39.40 | vak0160 | i336_: did those have ad blocker? |
| 09:40.02 | i336_ | vak0160: part of their light-weightness is that they don't parse JavaScript xD |
| 09:40.11 | pupil | vak0160: agreed, ad blocker is important :D |
| 09:40.27 | vak0160 | i really need them to use a lot of javascript parsing T_T |
| 09:40.30 | i336_ | vak0160: by "lightweight", I mean that in 5% of situations, you will be poking through page source code to get at the content you need. |
| 09:40.31 | i336_ | meep |
| 09:40.36 | i336_ | that won't work then =P |
| 09:40.49 | vak0160 | i primarily use browser to test openerp |
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| 09:41.00 | i336_ | oh, I see |
| 09:41.04 | vak0160 | for work |
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| 09:42.35 | i336_ | well, these browsers are exceptionally small... |
| 09:42.40 | i336_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1.3M Jun 19 19:41 /usr/local/bin/dillo* |
| 09:42.44 | i336_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 i336 users 4.8M May 14 17:58 nsfb* |
| 09:42.52 | i336_ | that's the _whole browser_ |
| 09:43.09 | i336_ | in Dillo's case, a few hundred KB of FLTK is baked into that binary too (FLTK == UI library) |
| 09:43.37 | i336_ | recommends downloading them and having them on hand, at least :P |
| 09:43.49 | i336_ | one rule: they do crash. Remember that. :P |
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| 09:43.56 | i336_ | (and they don't have tab restorers!) |
| 09:44.28 | vak0160 | i336_: well, if dillo can't parse javascript, I'm screwed though (it's my job) |
| 09:45.07 | pupil | i336_: stop advertizing dillo, vak0160 is not interested :D |
| 09:45.33 | vak0160 | it's okay, maybe I can use it in some case |
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| 09:46.19 | i336_ | pupil: lol xD |
| 09:46.36 | i336_ | doesn't mention whether he is or is not writing some awesome patches to dillo right now and likes it very much for that reason |
| 09:47.16 | i336_ | also doesn't mention that he loves netsurf because he can finally view /r/fractalius_gifs (and similar awesomenesses) without loading an entire web browser or dealing with `animate' IDIOsynchracies |
| 09:48.55 | i336_ | I was just saying, for certain situations, they're awesome to have around, and very easy to build from source (netsurf is a bit "whoa... wait, this is actually an involved list of instructions here", but it takes about 6 minutes to fully check out and build) |
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| 09:51.10 | pupil | i336_: seems good for educational purpose |
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| 09:51.43 | i336_ | yeah, dillo is very fun to hack on too (I'm learning C++ and improving its UI :D) |
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| 09:57.22 | who_me | is this a good place to ask packaging questions ? |
| 09:58.25 | i336_ | who_me: only about debian packages. :P |
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| 10:09.35 | otyugh__ | hey. I look for anybody advice that succeeded to make php work under nginx... Anybody ? |
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| 10:10.37 | Wulf | Hi |
| 10:11.04 | Wulf | djbdns doesn't start automatically after some package upgrades, which package would be faulty? |
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| 10:11.55 | nkuttler | otyugh__: ask your real question |
| 10:12.16 | nkuttler | Wulf: check whichever log it writes to? |
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| 10:12.58 | Wulf | nkuttler: ? |
| 10:13.04 | Wulf | nkuttler: it's not started |
| 10:13.27 | otyugh__ | nhayashi: Well, the real question is, I don't succeed to make php-fpm work with nginx under debian wheezy. Initial configuration obviously does not work and even if the "big many" tutorial are very very short to follow, neither of them worked. |
| 10:13.39 | nkuttler | Wulf: most services log why they don't start |
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| 10:16.38 | Wulf | nkuttler: never mind, I think I know what happens. daemontools-run uses inittab to get started. systemd migration? |
| 10:17.36 | nkuttler | Wulf: running testing? |
| 10:17.42 | Wulf | nkuttler: worse. |
| 10:18.05 | nkuttler | could be, yeah. testing/sid support is in #debian-next on the oftc irc network btw |
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| 10:18.31 | Wulf | ah, thanks. |
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| 10:40.13 | Eremiell | what's the difference between mkfs.ext4 and mkfs.ext4dev? |
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| 10:41.21 | MS4Life | ummm |
| 10:41.29 | MS4Life | mark shuttleworth made love to me |
| 10:41.34 | MS4Life | and now he denies it |
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| 10:46.25 | petn-randall | MS4Life: Wrong channel? #ubuntu is over there. |
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| 10:47.13 | MS4Life | suck my fat cock |
| 10:47.19 | petn-randall | !ops MS4Life |
| 10:47.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: MS4Life |
| 10:49.12 | Walex | Eremiell: the type of filesystem created, which are in effect the same filesystem. |
| 10:49.55 | Walex | who_me: "a Makefile that has one target "install" which basically creates the required dirs under /opt and copies files there |
| 10:49.55 | MS4Life | cock blocking |
| 10:50.21 | Eremiell | Walex: sure, I can tell appart mkfs.vfat and mkfs.ext2, but does mkfs.ext4 and mkfs.ext4dev differ in any way? |
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| 10:50.46 | Walex | Eremiell: only in the filesystem type code IIRC. |
| 10:51.55 | who_me | Walex, I did get a bit further, seems it was getting stuck on dh_auto_build, so I created a build target in the Makefile that's always true but.... there are other issues |
| 10:52.10 | Eremiell | Walex: so should I want to reformat a partition, I'd like to boot from, which one is the right choice? |
| 10:52.55 | Eremiell | Walex: on the same wave, which one is right for other system partitions besides the booting one. |
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| 10:56.44 | pbunny | hi |
| 10:56.54 | pbunny | anybody using debian on asus zenbook ux302lg ? |
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| 10:57.02 | pbunny | i have problems with nvidia proprietary driver |
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| 10:58.31 | nagerst | Hi |
| 10:58.57 | nagerst | Is QtWeb webbrowser available in any repositories? |
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| 11:00.05 | skribblezatcha | good morning. ~o) |
| 11:00.27 | chalcedony | if i download a .zip file, and then delete the old files related to it - apt-get remove fglrx - will / can it damage the .zip file? |
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| 11:01.09 | skribblezatcha | i dont think so chalcedony. |
| 11:01.32 | chalcedony | hi skribblezatcha |
| 11:01.54 | skribblezatcha | hi chalcedony. |
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| 11:02.10 | pbunny | anybody using nvidia geforce 730M with proprietary driver? |
| 11:02.28 | chalcedony | the first time i did that, and then unzipped it, it created a gui - but then wouldn't finish because there were old files, so then i deleted them.. and now it says "permission denied" |
| 11:03.25 | skribblezatcha | you have a .zip file that you are trying to install chalcedony? |
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| 11:05.05 | chalcedony | ive been trying for days to install wheezy on my new hd. the video drivers are not working for me. this was the legacy amd drivers for my ATI S780 / Radeon HD 3200 graphics card |
| 11:05.28 | skribblezatcha | ok i see now..nice. |
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| 11:06.06 | skribblezatcha | you didnt try installing the drivers from repo first chalcedony? |
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| 11:06.23 | Walex | Eremiell: 'ext4' |
| 11:06.38 | chalcedony | skribblezatcha, it's supposed to automatically be there.. |
| 11:06.41 | chalcedony | in wheezy |
| 11:07.04 | chalcedony | but that creates two separate identical screens on my two monitors |
| 11:07.11 | Walex | Eremiell: "right" is a difficult story. 'ext4' is a popular filesystem, but Debian can use nearly any filesystem type and boot from most. |
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| 11:08.01 | Walex | chalcedony: the HD3200 is supported pretty well by the free sw "radeon" driver. |
| 11:08.37 | Walex | chalcedony: you may have to install the non-free firmware package to fully support it. |
| 11:08.47 | chalcedony | Walex, it did get the resolutions right.. how do i get it to be one big screen though? |
| 11:08.53 | chalcedony | i did that |
| 11:09.21 | chalcedony | and created the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 11:09.22 | Walex | chalcedony: 'man xrandr' or use the equivalent graphics tools (there are several) or use an 'xorg.conf' file |
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| 11:09.34 | jpinx | chalcedony: did you try ARandR -- it'sa simple gui control of monitors |
| 11:09.41 | chalcedony | wald0, xrandr didn't like them - said the number was too high |
| 11:09.52 | Walex | chalcedony: the number of what? |
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| 11:09.56 | chalcedony | sorry Walex |
| 11:10.04 | chalcedony | sec i'll show you |
| 11:10.15 | jpinx | chalcedony: I use ARandR and it "just works" (tm) |
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| 11:10.49 | Walex | jpinx: I use instead a suitable "xorg.conf" because otherwise it comes up wrong at X startup, but it is mostly a cosmetic issue. |
| 11:11.14 | chalcedony | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.44 | jpinx | Walex: agreed, but you can create the appropriate arrangement with ARandR and then copy the settings over |
| 11:11.58 | chalcedony | jpinx, arandr seemed to need more files that it wouldn't apt-get |
| 11:12.17 | Walex | http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/12-thr.html#121019 |
| 11:12.21 | jpinx | chalcedony: sounds like you have some other issues then |
| 11:12.44 | chalcedony | i'm desperate at this poing |
| 11:12.47 | chalcedony | point |
| 11:12.57 | jpinx | chalcedony: from memory ARandR was a single package to install |
| 11:12.59 | Walex | chalcedony: you are using a very old kernel or driver. |
| 11:13.20 | chalcedony | Walex, new install of wheezy |
| 11:13.29 | jpinx | chalcedony: what release are you on ? |
| 11:13.37 | Walex | chalcedony: in any recent X server the maximum size is 4096x4096 or 16384x16384 |
| 11:13.44 | skribblezatcha | chalcedony: you have synaptic installed right? |
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| 11:14.07 | jpinx | chalcedony: ok - are you using aptitude for package installation or what ? |
| 11:14.12 | Walex | chalcedony: unless you are trying to trick us and you are using an embedded GPU with a too small allocation of memory in the BIOS. |
| 11:14.25 | chalcedony | Walex, no idea |
| 11:14.51 | chalcedony | skribblezatcha, i didn't look (guis are hard, visual problems) |
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| 11:15.07 | Walex | chalcedony: usually if the X server tells you it cannot support more than 1920x1920 it is a memory issue. |
| 11:15.16 | skribblezatcha | so you are running cli right now chalcedony? |
| 11:15.30 | Walex | chalcedony: anyhow please do this: sudo pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:15.39 | chalcedony | Walex, ok |
| 11:15.53 | Walex | chalcedony: the X server log will probably tell us what is going on. |
| 11:16.07 | Walex | chalcedony: likely you haven't configured the right driver... |
| 11:16.14 | chalcedony | skribblezatcha, i have some odd disabilities (not trying to fool anyone) |
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| 11:17.16 | skribblezatcha | ok, well thats fine chalcedony, but are you cli or do you have a graphical desktop man? :) |
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| 11:17.43 | chalcedony | -su: pastebinit: command not found |
| 11:17.43 | pbunny | [ 1147.594] (--) NVIDIA(0): Valid display device(s) on GeForce GT 730M at PCI:4:0:0 |
| 11:17.45 | pbunny | [ 1147.594] (--) NVIDIA(0): none |
| 11:17.48 | chalcedony | also i don't have sudo yet |
| 11:17.49 | pbunny | why couldn't it find any display device? |
| 11:17.55 | pbunny | ( its a laptop with 2 videocards ) |
| 11:18.31 | Walex | pbunny: that's likely an "Optimus" setup and that has weird behaviour. |
| 11:18.33 | chalcedony | skribblezatcha, i'm on windows currently with a gui, also debian will have a gui. gnome 3 terrifies me |
| 11:19.01 | chalcedony | and i'm a grandmother |
| 11:19.05 | jpinx | chalcedony: su root and execute the command #: tail -f /var/log/Xorg.0.log and paste to paste.debian.net |
| 11:19.37 | Walex | pbunny: so try to do some web searching on configuring Xorg for Optimus laptops. |
| 11:19.38 | jpinx | chalcedony: forget gnome if you don't like it -- I use lxde - and I'm a grandfather ;) |
| 11:21.08 | pbunny | Walex: what is Optimus? |
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| 11:21.14 | skribblezatcha | yeah, i use Xfce. |
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| 11:21.21 | Walex | pbunny: I suggested web searching :-) |
| 11:21.26 | pbunny | also, is xfce good for touchscreen functionality? |
| 11:21.37 | nagerst | pbunny: it is a really shitty way of doing gpu switching invented by nVIDIA |
| 11:21.38 | pbunny | should i also use compiz or something? |
| 11:22.01 | Walex | pbunny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Optimus |
| 11:22.01 | chalcedony | jpinx nice! |
| 11:22.14 | skribblezatcha | i dont know pbunny, since i dont do touchscreen. |
| 11:22.21 | nagerst | pbunny: if you are using debian and want touch functionality that is mature, i would go with kde-active. |
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| 11:22.36 | Walex | KDE! KDE! KDE! ;-) |
| 11:22.47 | nagerst | nothing gtk based is good enough in my view for touchsecreen as it does not scale well. |
| 11:22.51 | pbunny | wow.. |
| 11:23.04 | pbunny | so i need a driver for both nvidia and intel gpu |
| 11:23.08 | pbunny | because they can switch |
| 11:23.10 | pbunny | right? |
| 11:23.23 | Walex | pbunny: good luck! :-) it is a rather messy situation. |
| 11:23.31 | nagerst | pbunny: not really, the nvidia driver is useless unless you want to play games. |
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| 11:23.41 | pbunny | i want to. |
| 11:23.55 | Metaleer | Hi. How do I patch OpenSSL to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u11 on Debian wheezy? I've gone through the instructions in https://www.debian.org/security/index.en.html, but when I do "dpkg-query -l 'openssl'", it keeps spitting out "1.0.1e-2+deb" as opposed to what it should be, which is "1.0.1e-2+deb7u11", I think. |
| 11:24.01 | nagerst | and with games i mean 3d intensive games beyond Intel's capabilities. |
| 11:24.10 | Nik05 | Metaleer why would you want to do that? |
| 11:24.17 | Walex | Metaleer: always check the Debian.changelog |
| 11:24.20 | chalcedony | jpinx, paste.debian.net/105789 |
| 11:24.29 | Metaleer | Walex: Aha. |
| 11:24.38 | Metaleer | Nik05: What precisely, patch OpenSSL to that version? |
| 11:25.36 | Nik05 | patching? because 1.0.1e-2+deb7u11 is in wheezy... |
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| 11:26.22 | Metaleer | I understand, it's just that after update and upgrade, the package manager isn't reporting that, apparently. |
| 11:26.29 | nagerst | pbunny: the nVIDIA driver is not used unless called upon in linux and does not do automatic switching yet (hopefulöly it never will, as that Optimus piece of garbage pisses me off tremendously when i am forced to use windows as it turns on randomly, drops out during gaming on low load and causes REAL bad crashes on windows 7 and 8) |
| 11:27.10 | pbunny | i'm ok with manual switching |
| 11:27.14 | pbunny | i just need that possibility |
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| 11:27.32 | pbunny | to e.g. run specific app with nvidia gpu |
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| 11:28.13 | Metaleer | Nik05, Walex: Nevermind -- it seems "dpkg-query -W openssl" does report the correct version. It seems the package manager output is truncated or something. |
| 11:28.13 | nagerst | in linux you can use primus or optirun to decide if an application should run on that gpu. A very elegant sollution, primus is faster, but is in havy development and "might" (unlikely) cause some bugs that the much slower optirun (more compatible) might not have. |
| 11:28.19 | Walex | chalcedony: from your paste the problem is that you are still using the 'fglrx' driver, that is it is still installed. |
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| 11:29.42 | nagerst | pbunny: you can have both installed and try every application and see what works best for you. For example steam+paradox games runs perfectly with primus whilst i would use optirun for wine. |
| 11:29.44 | pbunny | so bumblebee is my best bet, right? |
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| 11:30.05 | foobar_ | hi |
| 11:30.28 | nagerst | bumblebee is optirun basicly in a neat package with meta for a compatible diver and all. So yes. Primus you would have to add later, but will use the same driver. |
| 11:31.27 | foobar_ | I have a general internet's question about web proxy |
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| 11:31.45 | nagerst | If the fan start running like mad after installing bumblebee, do not fret or panic, you just lack the gpu sensor control. lm-sensors package for debian includes most gpGK nvidia chipset sensors. |
| 11:31.46 | pbunny | nagerst: does bumblebee work with binary nvidia driver (full 3d acceleration)? |
| 11:32.01 | nagerst | pbunny: it ONLY works with the binary driver-. |
| 11:32.36 | nagerst | what would be the point of using neuveau when the performance would be the same as the intel driver? |
| 11:33.42 | pbunny | nagerst: well "nv" could be faster, couldn't it? |
| 11:33.53 | nagerst | nv is only 2d |
| 11:34.07 | chalcedony | Walex, i've tried about all the commands i could find.. do you have another to get rid of it? |
| 11:34.16 | nagerst | nvidia is also almost only 2d (software through MESA) |
| 11:34.29 | petern_ | does "nv" even exist now? |
| 11:34.39 | petern_ | i thought it was replaced with nouveau |
| 11:34.59 | nagerst | petern_: I have not asked if she runs squeeze, but yes there is still squeeze users around. |
| 11:35.08 | nagerst | so also is nv |
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| 11:35.53 | chalcedony | i had squeeze.. hence new drive and new os |
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| 11:36.59 | nagerst | chalcedony: hope you backed up. otherwise that is painful. |
| 11:37.07 | pbunny | is it ok to having no swap partitions with 6GB of RAM? |
| 11:37.19 | pbunny | my laptop only has 256GB SSD and some internal 16GB SSD |
| 11:37.30 | Eremiell | Walex: sure, didn't intent to say, ext2 or reiser is bad for boot, just was curious about the ext4 and ext4dev, since I'm doing some wild stuff with my box right now. ;) |
| 11:37.35 | chalcedony | nagarkot, i unplugged all the other drives to configure this one |
| 11:37.37 | pbunny | i'm concerned about maximizing their lifetime |
| 11:37.44 | nkuttler | pbunny: really depends on how much swap you need. sounds good enough for a normal desktop |
| 11:37.57 | nagerst | pbunny: to be honest, the swap is flushed when full. If you have an SSD i would NOT make a swap at all as you can not use TRIM on swaps. |
| 11:37.59 | nkuttler | oh wait, no swap at all |
| 11:38.12 | pbunny | nagerst: yeah, i thought so |
| 11:38.25 | pbunny | i'll have to live without swap completely though |
| 11:38.32 | pbunny | or, i have some usb drive |
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| 11:38.38 | nkuttler | pbunny: do you know your normal memory usage? |
| 11:38.38 | pbunny | swap on usb hdd is slow, right? |
| 11:39.01 | pbunny | not yet, i just bought this laptop and just installed debian |
| 11:39.10 | frostschutz | nagerst, swap supports trim |
| 11:39.40 | pbunny | can you suggest some useful ssd-specific and laptop-specific tweaks for fresh debian? |
| 11:39.47 | pbunny | kernel configuration, boot parameters, etc |
| 11:39.59 | nkuttler | !ssd |
| 11:40.00 | dpkg | The "Drive" in Solid-state Drive (SSD) is really a misnomer. SSD storage is basically a huge block of RAM chips that functions like a hard drive. SSD drives (obviously) are extremely expensive, but offer very high data speeds that are necessary in some applications. They can also be used as large caches on huge RAID subsystems. See also <ssd limit>. |
| 11:40.05 | nkuttler | meh |
| 11:40.15 | pbunny | um, it's not RAM |
| 11:40.15 | nkuttler | pbunny: https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization |
| 11:40.23 | nagerst | pbunny: i have not had a swap partition since 2003 on any personal desktop. Just keep memory usage below "real ram" and in worst case, get a cheap USB stick and make it all swap just in case, but the likelyhood of it ever being used for everyday usage is VERY low with more ram than 2048 for at least most usages. |
| 11:40.45 | pbunny | nagerst: so what happens when the RAM is full? |
| 11:40.49 | pbunny | processes will be getting killed? |
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| 11:41.03 | pbunny | what is the chance of general instability or freeze? |
| 11:41.06 | chalcedony | i'll go through the apt-get remove things again.. maybe |
| 11:41.09 | frostschutz | swap on cheap usb? if you want your system to lock up, go for it |
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| 11:41.48 | frostschutz | pbunny, OOM kills stuff |
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| 11:42.03 | pbunny | is it dangerous? is there a chance system will go unstable altogether? |
| 11:42.08 | nagerst | dpkg: seriously? SSD is a common name for solid state devices, a ramdrive is an SSD per se. What people mean is NAND-flash drives and you have a limited amount of write cycles just as with an mechanical harddrive (though very different in case) and using a swap on an nand-device is close to moronic. |
| 11:42.09 | dpkg | nagerst: okay |
| 11:42.11 | pbunny | or is it smart enough to kill only non-important stuff |
| 11:42.28 | nkuttler | pbunny: swap doesn't save you from oom, it just gives you a little more time. maybe |
| 11:42.38 | txomon|fon | Hi, quick question, want to assert before download. Can debian be installed just with the first DVD? |
| 11:42.42 | frostschutz | pbunny, depends on what is being killed and how that affects your system really. best not to try :D |
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| 11:42.53 | nkuttler | txomon|fon: certainly, or the first cd, or the network installer, etc |
| 11:42.55 | txomon|fon | I want to avoid downloading packets |
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| 11:43.05 | txomon|fon | (I usually do netinst) |
| 11:43.14 | nkuttler | txomon|fon: then the dvd sounds like a good bet |
| 11:43.19 | pbunny | i did netinstall from usb stick |
| 11:43.22 | txomon|fon | yeah |
| 11:43.22 | pbunny | quite easy |
| 11:43.31 | pbunny | except for missing wireless driver |
| 11:43.39 | petern_ | 'can not use TRIM on swaps' ... what about using a swap file on a filesystem? heh |
| 11:43.41 | pbunny | but i worked that around with external ethernet-to-usb adapter |
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| 11:43.55 | nkuttler | txomon|fon: you can also build custom installers if you need a specific package set |
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| 11:44.12 | txomon|fon | btw, I know I could setup a apt-cache-ng, but I want to avoid having packets cached |
| 11:44.24 | txomon|fon | nkuttler, where? |
| 11:44.27 | txomon|fon | because I would definetly need that for my VMs |
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| 11:44.46 | pbunny | ah, btw. asus zenbook ux302lg has some intel-based wireless adapter, i enabled all wireless drivers in kernel but it still can't be recognized |
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| 11:44.53 | xiqsjvfy | nagerst: swap on SSD is fine. Modern drives are so large and controllers are so sophisticated that an SSD will always outlast an HDD, pretty much regarless of usecase. |
| 11:45.09 | pbunny | xiqsjvfy: i have HDDs that run for 20 years |
| 11:45.10 | txomon|fon | another question. I have been said that VMs are better to have the 32bit ones because they give better performance due to smaller binary sizes |
| 11:45.14 | txomon|fon | is that true? |
| 11:45.21 | nkuttler | txomon|fon: i was thinking https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD, but i think there are various build scripts around for vm images |
| 11:45.27 | pbunny | txomon|fon: definetely better for RAM |
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| 11:45.33 | pbunny | performance - i doubt it |
| 11:45.40 | txomon|fon | pbunny, oh ok |
| 11:45.51 | xiqsjvfy | pbunny: undoubtedly, but neither the average nor the median HDD lasts anywhere near that long. |
| 11:45.54 | pbunny | also 32-bit guest on 64-bit host can give additional issues |
| 11:45.57 | nagerst | petern_: got that right, that is a good reason to use a swapfile instead of a swap partition, but the problem of defragmentation on for example NTFS is a problem when using a swapfile as the swap gets moved all over the host device instead of within the last se4ctors of the harddrive (where a swap on a mechanical drive should be placed as it would be the shortest distance on the mechanical disk surface) |
| 11:46.00 | nkuttler | txomon|fon: e.g. https://github.com/andsens/bootstrap-vz/ |
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| 11:46.10 | pbunny | xiqsjvfy: hdd's do no depend on write cycles |
| 11:46.15 | pbunny | they just depend on time |
| 11:46.26 | pbunny | you can even write continuously non-stop on them, it won't change anything |
| 11:46.33 | pbunny | for ssd it's the opposite |
| 11:46.43 | pbunny | an unused ssd can probably lie for centuries in good shape |
| 11:47.24 | xiqsjvfy | pbunny: I am aware. The thing is, with consumer grade devices SSDs always outlast HDDs on average. |
| 11:47.38 | nagerst | pbunny: a 32bit guest causes no problem on AMD devices, those problems are usually because of the EMT_64 deviced by intel later on as they did not want to pay licenses (they had to anyways until the patent sharing agreement) to AMD |
| 11:47.41 | pbunny | xiqsjvfy: you underestimate the modern consumer |
| 11:47.55 | pbunny | 5-10 years is the most luckiest bet |
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| 11:48.37 | Eremiell | ok, I debootstrapped and configured a system with all basic packages needed. I'm now about to add it to the path, umount /, format it, mount it, copy the new system over and reboot. did anyone do something similar? any last minute tips? something I should be aware of? |
| 11:48.43 | pbunny | any hints for better battery life and stuff? |
| 11:48.54 | pbunny | some secret KGB techniques? |
| 11:49.02 | xiqsjvfy | I really don't think I do, especially these days when everything gets saves "in the cloud" instead of locally. |
| 11:49.16 | pbunny | xiqsjvfy: torrents tend to always save locally |
| 11:49.26 | pbunny | and they are the daily thing of most people |
| 11:49.44 | buu | So |
| 11:49.48 | nagerst | pbunny: the consumer models of HDD's is supposed to last for a certain amount of head movements. It is "planned obsolescence" |
| 11:50.20 | buu | Is there anyway to create a super-duper magical file that, when opened, actually executes a program and returns the output as the contents? |
| 11:50.26 | nagerst | anyone retrieving data for a living knows this. |
| 11:50.27 | buu | Kind of like a named pipe but more ondemand |
| 11:50.33 | pbunny | buu: a script? |
| 11:50.37 | xiqsjvfy | pbunny: Yes, but torrents are restricted by bandwidth. Even with a 1 Gb/s downlink and 24/7 uptime, you wouldn't be able to wear out an SSD sooner than an HDD. |
| 11:50.40 | buu | pbunny: Yes, but opened |
| 11:51.01 | pbunny | buu: try ##windows |
| 11:51.06 | pbunny | such shit always happen there |
| 11:51.07 | buu | pbunny: why? |
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| 11:52.00 | nagerst | xiqsjvfy: Try putting windows 7 on a fast system with 128mb ram. the swapfile will kill the SSD long before the HDD. But that is a HIGLY unlikely scenario. |
| 11:52.14 | frostschutz | buu, you could do it with fuse |
| 11:52.24 | buu | nagerst: Your swap file is going to write 700tb to it in 10 years? |
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| 11:52.49 | pbunny | 700tb? |
| 11:52.59 | chalcedony | ok i think i deleted everything .. |
| 11:53.02 | buu | That was a recent average from a test trying to kill a ssd |
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| 11:53.10 | pbunny | a typical ssd has 5000 writecycles limit |
| 11:53.26 | buu | uh |
| 11:53.28 | buu | not quite |
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| 11:53.41 | xiqsjvfy | nagerst: That would have been the case 10-15 years ago. Today, not a chance. |
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| 11:54.07 | buu | pbunny: http://techreport.com/review/26523/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-casualties-on-the-way-to-a-petabyte |
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| 11:55.11 | txomon|fon | nkuttler, I am going for simple-cdd |
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| 11:55.28 | nagerst | buu: probably. But new SSD's are awesome, true. The problem is still with faulty nodes. If the OS enforces (like windows 9x, MacOS 6,7,8,9 or DOS) writes to sectors, it can kill an new SSD rather quickly as it will write the same block constantly. A few million writes on a high intensity OS8 system on the same sector (to save header movement back in the day) is common. |
| 11:55.46 | nagerst | Apple were very smart in decreasing header movement, but that backfires on SSD |
| 11:55.58 | afidegnum | hi, can anyone help please? I don't undertand, sending request my the client side to my server POST takes a longer time before receiving Get... what could be the cause, and how do I fix it ? |
| 11:56.09 | xiqsjvfy | nagerst: A modern controller chip wouldn't allow that. |
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| 11:56.56 | afidegnum | hi, can anyone help please? I don't undertand, sending request my the client side to my server POST takes a longer time before receiving Get... what could be the cause, and how do I fix it ? |
| 11:57.07 | nagerst | xiqsjvfy: If it uses any interface compatible with those OS'es it would. So yes my point is pretty much moot. |
| 11:57.23 | nagerst | There is a few though, but those are used for specialized systems |
| 11:58.12 | nagerst | 9x and OS 6,7,8 and amigaos allows for direct access beyond what is allowed today in anoy sane os. |
| 11:58.19 | nagerst | any* |
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| 11:59.21 | chalcedony | does this mean i didn't get it deleted all the way? paste.debian.net/105796/ - what to do? |
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| 12:01.39 | nagerst | chalcedony: do the following in debian to never have to bother with unpacking again: "apt-get install unrar unace-nonfree p7zip-full unzip bzip2 lha" then just use "unp filename" to unpack ALL file formats. |
| 12:02.05 | nagerst | unp is the greatest app ever designed. |
| 12:02.32 | buu | nagerst: Hey thats nifty |
| 12:02.46 | buu | Which one installs unp? |
| 12:03.09 | nagerst | oh, i took for granted all had unp in debian (used to be installed by default. |
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| 12:03.17 | nagerst | add unp to the line |
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| 12:03.22 | buu | heh |
| 12:03.26 | buu | Also why not unrar-free |
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| 12:04.24 | nagerst | buu: because 3.8+ packages can not read metadata in the free version. But if you do not care about creation date and such crap (or password protection) it does not matter what version you use. |
| 12:05.30 | nagerst | unp supports rar passwords when using the non-nonfree version |
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| 12:06.05 | xiqsjvfy | unar (from main) can unpack rar archives. |
| 12:06.16 | A|an | This was posted to debian-security announce mailing list this morning: "Debian owned by the NSA" ( http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ ) |
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| 12:06.36 | abrotman | A|an: please don't spam here |
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| 12:07.06 | nagerst | ajan hope you know how code audit works |
| 12:07.22 | abrotman | nagerst: please comment somewhere else, thank you |
| 12:07.24 | A|an | spam? |
| 12:07.36 | abrotman | A|an: take it to #debian-offtopic, last warning |
| 12:07.42 | nagerst | abrotman: sorry. |
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| 12:09.31 | nagerst | A|an: It is not valid to post serious accusations without proof or at least indicative evidence. |
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| 12:09.51 | abrotman | nagerst: Please comment elsewhere, thank you |
| 12:11.07 | A|an | I didn't mean it as an indictment, simply something interesting...it's Julian Assange as the source, evidently...I'm watching the video |
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| 12:12.07 | chalcedony | if anyone answered me, i didn't see it? |
| 12:12.25 | chalcedony | the cat climbed onto my laptop keyboard, rebooted |
| 12:12.47 | abrotman | chalcedony: why are you installing their file instead of from apt sources? |
| 12:13.08 | Walex | chalcedony: you are using the "own installer" for the catalyst driver, so you need to rerun it in "uninstall" mode, but sometimes that does not work entirely well. |
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| 12:13.39 | chalcedony | abrotman, nothing else worked particularly well.. |
| 12:13.49 | chalcedony | im happy to try, if you'll help |
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| 12:13.57 | chalcedony | i just want *something* to work |
| 12:14.23 | abrotman | chalcedony: I can only comment that many people use the Debian method without issue, however, many have issues with the non-Debian way |
| 12:14.30 | Walex | chalcedony: have you run "/usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh" to start from clean? |
| 12:15.07 | Walex | abrotman: it is also an HD3200 chip that is well supported by the "radeon" driver, so "flgrx" is not needed really. |
| 12:15.21 | abrotman | Then it probably shouldn't even be attempted |
| 12:15.26 | abrotman | sounds like it would make a mess of things |
| 12:15.40 | Walex | abrotman: "flgrx" is already installed from the "own installer". |
| 12:16.09 | chalcedony | Walex, yes i ran that one and it now shows No such file or directory |
| 12:16.13 | abrotman | perfect .. what could go wrong .. |
| 12:16.38 | chalcedony | like i said, happy to try |
| 12:17.04 | chalcedony | let's start somewhere please? |
| 12:17.05 | chalcedony | :) |
| 12:17.18 | Walex | chalcedony: try to rerun 'xinit' or whatever you use to start the X server and check the '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' file to see if it is still using 'fglrx'. If you are lucky it will use "radeon" and all will be fine. |
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| 12:20.08 | chalcedony | paste.debian.net/105797 |
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| 12:21.32 | chalcedony | Walex, xinit gave an error ^^ |
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| 12:23.18 | chalcedony | i don't think i see it in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 12:24.10 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Check if you have an X server running with 'ps -e |grep Xorg'. If yes, kill it. If not, delete the file /tmp/.X0-lock. Then try again. |
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| 12:25.17 | Walex | chalcedony: as <xiqsjvfy> said |
| 12:25.47 | Walex | chalcedony: otherwise if you have an X server already running, probably by a graphical login program, just kill it and it will restart. |
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| 12:26.29 | chalcedony | k |
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| 12:31.53 | chalcedony | it seems unhappy with kill -9 2889 .. i would say it crashed |
| 12:32.08 | xiqsjvfy | What is 'it' in this case? |
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| 12:32.27 | chalcedony | not seeing the mouse pointer.. |
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| 12:33.26 | chalcedony | ctrl alt del .. nothing |
| 12:33.38 | xiqsjvfy | Erm, yes, that's to be expected. kill -9 just murdered your X server, which was in charge of drawing your mouse pointer. |
| 12:33.42 | Walex | chalcedony: ctrl alt F1 |
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| 12:33.57 | Walex | chalcedony: sometimes it helps if you tell us what is your setup, as we cannot see it. |
| 12:34.25 | chalcedony | Walex, what would you like to know .. i don't think ctrl alt f1 did anything |
| 12:34.25 | Walex | chalcedony: it now looks like that you were logged in to some graphical UI that you were trying to reconfigure. |
| 12:34.47 | Walex | chalcedony: what user interface were you using |
| 12:34.56 | chalcedony | appeared to be gnome |
| 12:35.45 | Walex | chalcedony: that was a rather important detail... You gave us the hint before that you were using a command line console and that the X server was not starting at all at one point. |
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| 12:36.14 | chalcedony | i do like command line.. but i was in gnome |
| 12:36.16 | Walex | chalcedony: every time the X server is reconfigured changing drivers it needs to be restarted. |
| 12:36.27 | chalcedony | ok let me do that |
| 12:36.30 | fishcooker | is it possible to lock down the user/even subversion user to spesific directory? |
| 12:36.34 | Walex | chalcedony: and now you cannot switch to command line with Ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 12:36.39 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: ctrl alt f1 should bring you to a tty, which is a text-only prompt. If that doesn't work, that's a problem. |
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| 12:37.17 | Walex | chalcedony: you only need to restart the X server not the system, but if you were *using* the X server when you killed it it might have freaked out the syste,/ |
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| 12:37.53 | chalcedony | ok now it's black with a prompt |
| 12:38.02 | Walex | chalcedony: so probably right know to put yourself in "known state" you should restart the whole system (e.g. power down/up as you indicate that ctrl-alt-del was not working) |
| 12:38.14 | xiqsjvfy | Good. Login with your username and password. |
| 12:38.18 | chalcedony | Walex, yes .. i did |
| 12:38.45 | chalcedony | ok i'm in |
| 12:38.55 | Walex | i have to go away for 1-2 hours, I'll leave <xiqsjvfy> to continue. |
| 12:39.12 | xiqsjvfy | Ah, I also have to ga away, but only for 20 min or so :/ |
| 12:39.17 | chalcedony | Walex, thank you VERY much! |
| 12:39.21 | Walex | xiqsjvfy: as you may have surmised the basic situation is: 1) |
| 12:39.31 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, ok ill be here :) |
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| 12:40.16 | Walex | xiqsjvfy: as you may have surmised the basic situation is: 1) ATI HD3200 chip. 2) installed "fglrx" from the AMD/ATI installer, then removed. 3) would not accept a virtual screen larger than 1920x1920 4) probably using the "radeon" driver is the best. |
| 12:40.41 | Esya | Hi, does anyone know where I can ask a question about headless video rendering on unix? (I tried ffmpeg but thats more encoding than rendering) |
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| 12:44.05 | jdabinett | hey guys, I just want to clarify here. That for updating a system (wheezy) to jessie, one would edit the sources.list, and perform update && upgrade && dist |
| 12:44.24 | jdabinett | hey guys, I just want to clarify here. That for updating a system (wheezy) to jessie, one would edit the sources.list, and perform update && upgrade && dist-upgrade ? (It's the last part I am unsure about, dist-upgrade or just upgrade.) |
| 12:44.30 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: OK, I'm back. That went quicker than I thought it would. |
| 12:44.52 | centrx | jdabinett, Yes, you need to do dist-upgrade to resolve difficult dependency conflicts |
| 12:44.52 | xiqsjvfy | So right now you're looking at a CLI prompt, right? |
| 12:45.11 | formorer | but the general answer is: if you have to ask, you shouldn't use testing. |
| 12:45.14 | chalcedony | wb xiqsjvfy :) |
| 12:45.16 | jdabinett | so centrx, the process would be like update >> upgrade >> dist-upgrade ? |
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| 12:45.32 | chalcedony | yes |
| 12:45.38 | formorer | no. |
| 12:45.45 | formorer | without the upgrade within |
| 12:45.57 | jdabinett | hm? |
| 12:45.58 | centrx | dpkg, tell jdabinett about wheezy->jessie |
| 12:46.19 | centrx | jdabinett, Some recommend the apt-get upgrade in between, but it's not strictly necessary |
| 12:46.30 | jdabinett | ah right. |
| 12:46.33 | formorer | it makes more trouble than it solves |
| 12:46.42 | jdabinett | and for just keeping a sid system up to date, just update && upgrade ? |
| 12:46.48 | formorer | dist-upgrade |
| 12:46.53 | jdabinett | oh. |
| 12:47.00 | jdabinett | so just cut out upgrade completely almost. |
| 12:47.04 | formorer | dist has nothing to do with "distribution" |
| 12:47.20 | formorer | dist-upgrade was a really bad name decision |
| 12:47.27 | formorer | dist-upgrade is just a harder form of upgrade. |
| 12:47.37 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Run 'xinit' again, and if it throws an error, paste that to paste.debian.net. If there is no error, paste the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file instead. |
| 12:47.39 | formorer | upgrade would never install new packages or remove packages |
| 12:47.44 | jdabinett | ah. |
| 12:47.47 | formorer | dist-upgrade does this |
| 12:47.58 | jdabinett | so it's dist-upgrade thats performing the task that 'upgrade' should be doing, in my head |
| 12:48.06 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, ok |
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| 12:48.48 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: You can use pastebinit to avoid having to type everything manually |
| 12:49.03 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, i don't think it has pastebinit |
| 12:49.10 | xiqsjvfy | 'apt-get install pastebinit' if it's not already installed. |
| 12:49.25 | chalcedony | this is still the very basic wheezy install |
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| 12:50.10 | hydra7 | I am using Debian Testing (on a VM) and I have notification saying like this: E: http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main is not (yet) available |
| 12:50.46 | hydra7 | I know I have messed up something (probably including main in the sources.list) |
| 12:50.55 | centrx | hydra7, Show us your /etc/apt/sources.list at paste.debian.net |
| 12:51.11 | hydra7 | centrx: wait for a moment |
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| 12:53.42 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, Fatal server error: no screen found. ill do the log file next |
| 12:55.36 | Eremiell | OK, I;m nearly there. I found out, my /dev is populated by udev. Now udev won't run in chrooted environment. Is it safe to expect udev to populate everything allright after replacing system with debootstrapped one, or should I configure it somehow? |
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| 12:56.26 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, http://paste.debian.net/105802/ |
| 12:56.36 | hydra7 | centrx: here: http://paste.debian.net/105801 |
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| 12:58.58 | centrx | hydra7, Seems okay. You can try minimizing the problem by commenting out the updates lines and the deb-src lines, leaving only deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 12:58.58 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: The interesting lines are 100-105. As you can see, it's trying to load fglrx, but can't because it's not installed. |
| 12:59.25 | centrx | hydra7, You can also try switching to another mirror, like http://http.debian.net, the Debian geolocation/network location mirror proxy |
| 12:59.34 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: What is the output of 'dpkg -l |grep fglrx'? |
| 12:59.43 | centrx | hydra7, Did you run apt-get update ? |
| 12:59.48 | hydra7 | centrx: yes |
| 13:00.09 | abrotman | hydra7: you shouldn't be pointing at 'testing' |
| 13:00.15 | abrotman | hydra7: also, use http.debian.net |
| 13:00.21 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, good i deleted it, trying now |
| 13:00.41 | hydra7 | abrotman: then where to point? o.O |
| 13:01.01 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, returns nothing |
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| 13:01.37 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, (just so that you know, if i vanish for a few min, my husband is sick, might need me, but ill be back) |
| 13:01.39 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Hmm. Just to be sure, also try 'dpkg --get-selections |grep -i fglrx'. |
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| 13:01.50 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, ok |
| 13:01.50 | sveta | chalcedony! long time no see :) |
| 13:02.00 | chalcedony | sveta, hi *hugs* |
| 13:02.23 | sveta | hi :) |
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| 13:02.39 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, returns nothing |
| 13:03.00 | centrx | hydra7, Generally it is recommended to point at the release code name, "jessie", so that you don't get any unfortunate surprises after the release when the testing code base is the least stable, and least necessary because of recent release. |
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| 13:03.27 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: OK, that's good. It means there are no leftover packages at least. There must be some rogue config file messing things up. |
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| 13:03.41 | fishcooker | i have a webapp based on CI .. i want to make subversion on CI/application/controllers and CI/application/views.. is it possible to restrict the svn user to the spesific or related folder? |
| 13:03.43 | centrx | hydra7, Personally I keep it on "testing" |
| 13:03.51 | hydra7 | centrx: the bugs are same right? I mean in testing or in jessie |
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| 13:04.11 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, ok.. what next :) |
| 13:04.16 | centrx | hydra7, testing and jessie point to the same software -- until jessie is released. |
| 13:04.23 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: However, I'm not entirely sure where to look for it. Does the file /etc/X11/Xorg.conf exist? |
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| 13:04.39 | abrotman | hydra7: jessie |
| 13:04.42 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, looking |
| 13:05.24 | hydra7 | centrx: sounds like a good idea pointing to jessie once it gets released point to another code name |
| 13:05.38 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, no such file or directory |
| 13:05.56 | hydra7 | btw let me update my sources.list |
| 13:06.19 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: That's unfortunate. Then I'm going to need to consult the internet. |
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| 13:07.36 | chalcedony | feel free xiqsjvfy hubby is upchucking |
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| 13:08.36 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: OK, as a starting point, cd into /etc/X11, become root, and run 'Xorg -configure'. |
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| 13:10.15 | anton02 | is there virtualization machine software that provides 3d acceleration yet? |
| 13:10.23 | nabblet | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade leads to The following packages have been kept back: gstreamer1.0-alsa gstreamer1.0-plugins-base libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 |
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| 13:10.35 | darsie | Hi! My photo SD card / USB card reader is detected automatically again. I haven't changed anything significant, IMO. |
| 13:10.41 | nabblet | any ideas? i think those search terms are too generig for Google |
| 13:11.14 | themill | nabblet: which release? |
| 13:11.52 | nabblet | themill: 7.5 |
| 13:12.18 | themill | those packages aren't in wheezy at all. |
| 13:12.32 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Actually, before doing that, does the file /etc/modprobe.conf or the directory /etc/modprobe.conf.d/ exist? |
| 13:12.43 | themill | nabblet: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy gstreamer1.0-alsa gstreamer1.0-plugins-base libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0; apt-cache policy" for us? |
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| 13:15.07 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, hold that thought please - cleaning floor |
| 13:15.08 | nabblet | http://paste.debian.net/105809/ themill |
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| 13:24.31 | nabblet | themill: usually dist-upgrade solves held back packages for me, but not this time |
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| 13:24.45 | themill | nabblet: can you pastebin the other half of that output? |
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| 13:25.18 | nabblet | themill: that's all i have. after the last line i get input prompt |
| 13:25.32 | themill | that's only one of the two commands |
| 13:25.36 | nabblet | oh i see |
| 13:25.39 | nabblet | sorry |
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| 13:26.19 | Voyager82 | Hello, I was here yesterday. I'm attempting to install Debian Linux, along with Windows and Ubuntu, but I don't know how. It seems that I need to manually manage the partitions to use. Can you help me? |
| 13:26.24 | nabblet | themill: http://paste.debian.net/105812/ |
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| 13:27.01 | centrx | Voyager82, Install Windows first because Windows does not play well with others |
| 13:27.07 | Eremiell | Voyager82: what exactly is the problem. besides manual partitioning apparently. :) |
| 13:27.09 | Voyager82 | I have. |
| 13:27.16 | hydra7 | when I was first switching to testing I got a lot of errors, is that normal centrx? |
| 13:27.22 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Please post the entire output of 'ls /etc/X11' to paste.debian.net. |
| 13:27.34 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, it seems that the installer is not recognizing the presence of the other two OSs. |
| 13:27.40 | centrx | hydra7, What kind of errors? Did you upgrade completely with apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 13:27.43 | Eremiell | Voyager82: I'd go Windows>Ubuntu>Debian and share swap and /home between Debian and Ubuntu. |
| 13:27.51 | hydra7 | centrx: yes |
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| 13:28.27 | Voyager82 | How do I do it? |
| 13:28.35 | themill | nabblet: what does «aptitude versions '?source-package(gst-plugins-base1.0)'» output? |
| 13:28.37 | Eremiell | Voyager82: which installer? |
| 13:28.39 | hydra7 | centrx: I proceeded in this order apt-get update -> apt-get upgrade -> apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 13:28.49 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, I don't know. |
| 13:29.05 | Voyager82 | I'm trying to install LXDE Debian. |
| 13:29.08 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, sorry to keep you waiting. (he's back in bed) No such file for /etc/modprobe.conf and /etc/modprobe.conf.d contains: alsa-base-blacklist.conf alsa-base.conf dkms.conf fbdev-blacklist.conf |
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| 13:29.19 | centrx | hydra7, Were there any errors during the upgrade? Did you perhaps keep old configuration files that should have been overwritten/updated? |
| 13:30.04 | Eremiell | Voyager82: how large is your HDD? or do you have more than one inside that box? |
| 13:30.10 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, it seems I have to install the OS first in a given partition, and then install GRUB. Is it possible? |
| 13:30.11 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: OK, nothing of interest there. For convenience I would like the entire list of files in your /etc/X11, so please paste it somewhere. |
| 13:30.14 | nabblet | themill: http://paste.debian.net/105813/ |
| 13:30.26 | hydra7 | centrx: I chose the default options that were presented to me during the upgrade |
| 13:30.41 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, does /etx/X11 need a cat command to pastebin? |
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| 13:31.36 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, i can't do it manually, no gui |
| 13:31.45 | Eremiell | Voyager82: yes. that would be the way. you'll deploy Windows first and the two linuxes afterwards. you'll let the grub to be installed at the end of Debian installation process and find all of them. |
| 13:31.57 | themill | nabblet: hmm... I assume there's a versioned dependency there. You could see what «aptitude upgrade '?source-package(gst-plugins-base1.0)?installed'» wants to do |
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| 13:33.15 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, how do I remember which partitions are already used by Windows and Ubuntu? I don't want to erase anything. How do I check it as Ubuntu user, before installing the new OS? |
| 13:33.39 | hydra7 | Voyager82: Windows uses ntfs |
| 13:33.51 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: I just need the output of 'ls /etc/X11'. You can pipe it straight to pastebintit with 'ls /etc/X11 |pastebinit - -b http://paste.debian.net'. |
| 13:34.07 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, ah great@ |
| 13:34.16 | nabblet | themill: The following packages have been kept back: gstreamer1.0-alsa gstreamer1.0-plugins-base libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0{a} |
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| 13:34.27 | Voyager82 | I have a second fat32 partition of 1.1GB. I don't think it's Linux. |
| 13:34.32 | nabblet | themill: so is there some kind of conflict between backport and the normal repo? |
| 13:34.44 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, do you remember the difference between primary and logic partition? |
| 13:34.45 | nabblet | themill: tbh I have no clue what you're even looking for/at |
| 13:35.07 | themill | nabblet: or a versioned dependency that hasn't yet been updated. I was hoping we could get apt to work this out or at least tell us why it was unhappy |
| 13:35.33 | themill | nabblet: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install '?source-package(gst-plugins-base1.0)?installed'» would be the last thing to try |
| 13:35.51 | Eremiell | Voyager82: sure. you can only have four or five primary and windows requires to be on one of them. linux generally doesn't care, but it helps to have / on one too. |
| 13:36.38 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, at the moment I have 5 partitions. I have propblems in recognizing what is what. :( |
| 13:36.56 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, http://paste.debian.net/105814/ |
| 13:37.23 | Eremiell | Voyager82: so grab a paper and start taking notes. I usually make 7 just for my Debian install. ;) |
| 13:37.42 | nabblet | themill: good! asks me if i want to continue. Yes? |
| 13:38.09 | themill | if it looks ok, may as well. |
| 13:38.22 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, I'm checking on Ubuntu what kind of partitions I have. I suppose I should divide one partition in two parts, and choose one to install Debian. Shouldn't I? |
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| 13:39.30 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Aha! I'll need to see the contents of the files /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-0, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-1, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-0, as well as a list of files in the directory /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d. |
| 13:39.33 | Eremiell | Voyager82: You'll want at least: 1 primary for Win, 1 primary for Ubuntu /, 1 primary for Debian /, 1 logic for swap, 1 logic for /home |
| 13:39.57 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, you're awesome .. let me get those |
| 13:40.28 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, I think that, when I installed Ubuntu, I put everything in one partitions. But I don't remember. :( |
| 13:40.53 | Eremiell | Voyager82: you may also make /home just small, or even let it go with the / filesystems and make one big data partition sporting ntfs to share between all 3 systems. |
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| 13:41.22 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, what is the program that you use to view the current partitions of your disk? |
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| 13:42.23 | Eremiell | Voyager82: to be fair, I usually don't. I set them during installation and mount and df can tell me all I need to know. :) |
| 13:42.39 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, df? |
| 13:42.57 | Eremiell | Voyager82: "disk free" |
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| 13:43.29 | Eremiell | Voyager82: how much space is used and free on each mounted storage device. |
| 13:43.34 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, all of those are empty Cannot access <fileame> No such file or directory |
| 13:43.46 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, this is what I'm checking. |
| 13:44.31 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, actually, I'm planning to uninstall Ubuntu completely, after I "learn" how Debian "works". This is just a move to see if everything is ok. |
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| 13:44.59 | chalcedony | Voyager82, ive not needed to look back to ubuntu |
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| 13:45.17 | Eremiell | Voyager82: I don't think you the that step. At least I just dropped directly into Debian. |
| 13:46.02 | nabblet | themill: last line was Current status: 147 updates [-4]. |
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| 13:46.15 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Are you certain? Does 'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-{0,1}' output anything at all? |
| 13:46.18 | nabblet | themill: doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade says nothing to do |
| 13:46.27 | nabblet | so i think it is fixed. Thank you themill |
| 13:46.44 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, i should have deleted *everything* possible.. ok ill check |
| 13:46.54 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, there are some data I need to save. And, I just want to make sure that I have all the programs that I need. Ubuntu is a little more "user friendly", even though it "tired" me, a little bit. That's the reason of the "intermediate" step. :) |
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| 13:47.46 | Eremiell | Voyager82: I didn't find it friendly at all, but it's your way to go. ;) |
| 13:47.49 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, No such file or directory - twice |
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| 13:48.20 | Voyager82 | How do you divide your partitions? Just using the installer? |
| 13:48.53 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: That makes no sense at all. If they show up with ls, how can they not exist? 0_o |
| 13:49.13 | Eremiell | Voyager82: generally yes. if you make sane choices, you rarely have nneds to change them. |
| 13:49.15 | chalcedony | Voyager82, i've done custom installations twice, this time i just let it make it.. i'm not sure how it works yet |
| 13:49.17 | vladhaund | what's the command to see if I'm using Ipv6 or not? |
| 13:50.08 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Just to doublecheck, run 'ls /etc/X11 |pastebinit - -b http://paste.debian.net' again. |
| 13:50.17 | chalcedony | vladhaund, /whois vladhaund - see your own host |
| 13:50.41 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, so, in my position, I need to choose a partition, divide it in two parts, and install the operating system. How do I check that I leave the "virtual" disk enough space, not to delete any data? |
| 13:51.44 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, "You are trying to send an empty document, exiting" |
| 13:51.55 | xiqsjvfy | uuhhh |
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| 13:52.15 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, i think we need to tell it to get a new one? |
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| 13:52.40 | Eremiell | Voyager82: I'm not sure, what you wanna do now. You've got five partitions there and some data on all of them? |
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| 13:53.00 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Tell what do get a new what? Did you remove anything in /etc/X11 yourself? |
| 13:53.01 | rahuldroy | hey guys, can someone help me debug a coredump issue on apache |
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| 13:53.54 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, yes. I should change the size of all partitions, just to make enough free space for the rest. How do I know how much I can "shrink" every partition? Does the installer tell me: "No! You are shrinking too much."? |
| 13:54.45 | Eremiell | Voyager82: I'm absolutely not sure, this can be done safely. |
| 13:54.50 | hydra7 | still I cannot understand the difference between Testing and Jessie can somebody explain it to me? |
| 13:55.10 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, i spent the last while deleting everything - it can't start a new one (i downloaded the fglrx driver to see if that would work) .. and everyone here basically said try with the originals first.. so we deleted and restarted .. and now they are gone .. |
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| 13:55.32 | Eremiell | hydra7: jessie will once become stable and oldstable. testing will always be testing, it will just change names. right now, jessie is testing. |
| 13:55.41 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, you are not sure, but you are sure that this can be done safely, or you are not sure that this can be done safely? :) |
| 13:56.18 | hydra7 | Eremiell: that means they have same softwares and same bugs right? |
| 13:56.23 | hydra7 | *packages |
| 13:56.33 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Yes, and that's good advice but... 20 min ago your /etc/X11 contained a bunch of files, and now it's empty? What made that happen? |
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| 13:57.07 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, totally not me, no idea. |
| 13:57.09 | Eremiell | Voyager82: I wouldn't try to shrink partition with data, I don't want to lose. |
| 13:57.36 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, did i type them the same? |
| 13:57.37 | Eremiell | hydra7: testing is just symlink to jessie in repos, or vice-versa |
| 13:57.45 | LordDeath | in the default installation on wheezy mysql hasn't innodb_file_per_table set to 1, correct? |
| 13:57.50 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, I have. I need to divide a partition in two parts. Therefore, I need to shrink. There is no other choice. :) |
| 13:57.54 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: OK, does the directory /etc/X11 still exist? |
| 13:58.08 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, checking |
| 13:58.48 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Did you use type the exact names I wrote? Otherwise I would expect you to get 'File not found' errors. |
| 13:58.51 | hydra7 | Eremiell: If I am to switch from stable, pointing to Jessie will be safer or pointing to testing? |
| 13:58.54 | Eremiell | Voyager82: can't you like, get all the data to some external storage, repartition the whole dist and get the data back later? |
| 13:59.24 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: GNU/Linux is case-sensitive, so /etc/X11 is not the same thing as /etc/x11. |
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| 14:00.14 | Eremiell | hydra7: right now, they're exactly same. it's considered safer to point to releases by names, not by stability levels. |
| 14:00.23 | Voyager82 | Eremiell, I could. The point is that, in the end, I should, at least, keep Windows and Debian. However, it should be possible to do it, however I wouldn't be able to modify the size of the partitions. I just don't know how. However, the moral is that, in the end, I need to change the size of the partitions. |
| 14:00.35 | hydra7 | Eremiell: okay thanks |
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| 14:01.36 | likecolacola | centos |
| 14:01.39 | likecolacola | sry |
| 14:01.46 | likecolacola | typo fault xd |
| 14:02.03 | jhutchins | Voyager82: You should really have an external backup if the data is important to you. No matter how "safe" the installer can be made, there is allways "oops". |
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| 14:02.18 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, funny. ls /etc/X11 - shows files - app-defaults fonts rgb.txt X xinit xkb xorg.conf.d xorg.conf.fglrx-0 xorg.conf.fglrx-1 xorg.conf.original-0 Xreset Xreset.d Xresources Xsession Xsession.d Xsession.options XvMCConfig Xurapper.config - but run ls /etc/X11 | pastebinit - -b -su: run: command not found - oooh maybe |
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| 14:03.02 | Voyager82 | jhutchins, now you're talking like an engineer. :) I'm joking. You're right. |
| 14:03.07 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Haha, yeah, you're not supposed to write 'run' in front of 'ls'. |
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| 14:05.01 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, http://paste.debian.net/105823/ |
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| 14:06.12 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: OK, so the files *are* still there. Then paste alla of /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-0, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-1, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-0, plus everything inside /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/. |
| 14:06.32 | joltcan | I heard that X is 30 years old today |
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| 14:08.44 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, i'm sorry for before .. let's see what i can do (thank you!) |
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| 14:11.38 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d | pastebinit - -b only came back with http://paste.debian.net (no numbers) |
| 14:12.36 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Perhaps it's empty? Does 'ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d' return anything? |
| 14:13.21 | chalcedony | says it contains 20-fglrx.conf |
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| 14:13.46 | chalcedony | maybe if i join that directory? |
| 14:14.18 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: OK, I'll need to see that as well. 'pastebinit -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf -b http://paste.debian.net' should do it. |
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| 14:16.22 | vladhaund | chalcedony, how can I determine if I'm on ipv6? |
| 14:16.28 | vladhaund | I did the whois tho |
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| 14:17.49 | Dagger | vladhaund: see if `ifconfig | grep inet6` returns any addresses that aren't Scope:Link or Scope:Host |
| 14:18.38 | vladhaund | mind if I pm you Dagger? |
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| 14:20.45 | vladhaund | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.45 | vladhaund | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.45 | vladhaund | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:20.45 | vladhaund | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:20.59 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, http://paste.debian.net/105826/ |
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| 14:21.03 | vladhaund | erm.. my bad |
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| 14:21.50 | RoyK | hm... any idea how to fix this on squeeze? |
| 14:21.51 | RoyK | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/Release Unable to find expected entry maindeb/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 14:21.57 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: That's likely the culprit right there. Just to be sure, I'd like to see the other three files as well. |
| 14:22.44 | Dagger | vladhaund: you have a Scope:Global address, so yes, you have v6 |
| 14:23.01 | Dagger | vladhaund: you can try `ping6 google.com` or wherever to test it |
| 14:23.13 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, ok (package at the door.. ) |
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| 14:24.01 | vladhaund | oh thanks Dagger |
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| 14:24.47 | vladhaund | mind me to ask a lot of questions but, is there any fix to workaround with fixing a slow video loading in Iceweasel? or firefox in mainly |
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| 14:27.28 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, http://paste.debian.org/105832/ |
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| 14:28.25 | Walex | vladhaund: what does "slow video loading" mean? |
| 14:28.38 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, http://paste.debian.org/105833/ original-0 didn't give numbers |
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| 14:29.46 | Walex | RoyK: probably a temporary error |
| 14:29.52 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: OK, does 'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-0' show any output? |
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| 14:32.08 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, i'll check ty |
| 14:33.48 | vladhaund | Walex, it streams youtube vids slow on firefox somehow |
| 14:33.55 | vladhaund | my distro that is |
| 14:34.00 | vladhaund | in |
| 14:35.21 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, with #less xorg.conf.original-0 == #NOXORGCONFEXISTED: No X.org configuration file existed when this backup was created. xorg.conf.original-0 (END) |
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| 14:37.07 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Good, that's what I was expecting. Now you need to move all of these files (/etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-0, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-1, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-0, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf) somewhere else, for example your home directory. |
| 14:37.50 | xiqsjvfy | Also delete the directory /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/, *after* moving the file inside somewhere else. |
| 14:37.52 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, move or copy? |
| 14:37.57 | xiqsjvfy | move |
| 14:38.01 | chalcedony | ok |
| 14:38.06 | Walex | vladhaund: depends whether it is a network problem or something else. |
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| 14:38.26 | vladhaund | I see |
| 14:38.30 | Walex | vladhaund: using something like 'youtube-dl' try to download the files first, and see how fast the download goes |
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| 14:39.03 | Walex | vladhaund: then watch the downloaded movie with something like 'vlc' or 'mplayer' and check whether it is slow watching it. |
| 14:39.41 | vladhaund | ok, I'll get an add-on to download a vid on youtube and see if it is slow |
| 14:40.10 | Walex | vladhaund: you don't need an add-on, just use the command 'youtube-dl' that also tells you the transfer rate |
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| 14:40.40 | vladhaund | how do I do this? |
| 14:41.02 | Walex | vladhaund: wait a sec... |
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| 14:43.07 | Walex | vladhaund: Debian has got an equivalent program called 'clive; |
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| 14:43.13 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, it says xorg.conf.d is a directory and won't let me remove it |
| 14:43.23 | Walex | vladhaund: do something like: sudo apt-get install clive; cd/tmp |
| 14:43.25 | chalcedony | it's empty but it won't |
| 14:43.36 | chalcedony | wb Walex :) |
| 14:43.43 | Walex | vladhaund: cd /tmp; clive 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyIxDO2vpco' |
| 14:43.48 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: After moving the file inside of the directory, run 'rmdir xorg.conf.d' on it. |
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| 14:44.48 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, cool |
| 14:45.06 | Walex | vladhaund: you can kill the 'clive' after 20-30s don't need to download the whole file. |
| 14:45.08 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, done |
| 14:45.18 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Once you've done that, it's time to try 'xinit' again. |
| 14:45.20 | Walex | vladhaund: it will give you a download speed |
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| 14:45.28 | chalcedony | ok |
| 14:45.35 | vladhaund | it's loading on 800-2800k speed |
| 14:45.37 | Walex | chalcedony: hello! |
| 14:45.55 | Walex | vladhaund: that's plenty fast for realtime viewing |
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| 14:46.23 | vladhaund | the problem is, when I view this video on my iceweasel browser, it's pretty slow |
| 14:46.24 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, i have two black monitor screens and an evil white terminal with root |
| 14:46.36 | Walex | vladhaund: then perhaps it is your video configuration... |
| 14:46.49 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: OK. that's progress! |
| 14:46.50 | vladhaund | in what state? |
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| 14:47.28 | g0d | How much is 17964940.2? |
| 14:47.39 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, right! |
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| 14:48.00 | Walex | vladhaund: from your GUI, open a console, go to /tmp/, and use 'vlc' or 'mplayer' to view the just downloaded file |
| 14:48.11 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: type 'exit' in the terminal. You should be returned to the pure text environment. |
| 14:48.47 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, yes, it is .. and the mouse works |
| 14:48.53 | Walex | vladhaund: like: vlc '/tmp/Installing Debian Linux on your Android Phone.mp4' |
| 14:48.55 | vladhaund | oh man |
| 14:49.05 | vladhaund | I didn't put the tmp |
| 14:49.07 | chalcedony | of course not now.. |
| 14:49.08 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: (The fact that this worked tells us that fglrx is no longer interfering with radeon) |
| 14:49.09 | vladhaund | it's on my home folder |
| 14:49.21 | Walex | vladhaund: same... |
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| 14:49.24 | chalcedony | ah ok xiqsjvfy |
| 14:49.41 | Walex | vladhaund: like: vlc ~/'Installing Debian Linux on your Android Phone.mp4' |
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| 14:50.25 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Did you run 'exit' in the graphical terminal? We need to be back to pure text mode for the next step. |
| 14:50.27 | vladhaund | it loads just fine |
| 14:50.34 | vladhaund | smooth and fast |
| 14:50.48 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, we are in text mode |
| 14:50.49 | mknight | Digital Encryption and Random Bit Genenerator http://www.tag.md/public/ |
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| 14:50.54 | chalcedony | still says root too |
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| 14:51.11 | emilia_liz | http://tuchat.wirez.com.ar/ |
| 14:51.16 | SpaceKookie | *sigh* For some reason Grub has deleted the Windows 7 entry. Is there a way to let grub scan for operating systems again without having to enter it manually? |
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| 14:51.52 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Now you need to become a regular user, i.e. logout from root. |
| 14:52.19 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, ok done |
| 14:52.40 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Just to make sure, the mouse is not working right now is it? |
| 14:52.41 | Walex | vladhaund: so it downloads well and displays fast... bad news |
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| 14:52.51 | vladhaund | indeed |
| 14:52.55 | ctmjr | SpaceKookie: update-grub |
| 14:53.03 | Walex | vladhaund: if it is slow inside firefox, that probably means the plugin firefox is using is slow. |
| 14:53.21 | vladhaund | it's a browser issue as far as I experience |
| 14:53.31 | vladhaund | it's an iceweasel version 20 |
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| 14:53.39 | vladhaund | if that helps anything |
| 14:53.44 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, no mouse and the monitor has put up a protest sign - your computer's screen resolution may not match this monitor's optimum.. |
| 14:53.46 | Walex | vladhaund: probably it is one of the "Flash" plugins, and perhaps you have a non optimal Flash implementation installed. |
| 14:54.03 | vladhaund | ah |
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| 14:54.39 | vladhaund | mind if you could spoon feed me a little bit more how to do this? |
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| 14:55.00 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Eh? A protest sign? Describe it in closer detail; it's very important that the X server has terminated before we continue. |
| 14:55.03 | Walex | vladhaund: there are three Flash implementations available: GNASH, Lightstreak (or something) and Adobe binary. The latter has many issues but it is more reliable than that. |
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| 14:55.17 | Walex | than the others. |
| 14:55.27 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: In fact, just run 'ps -e |grep Xorg'. It shouldn't return anything. |
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| 14:55.38 | vladhaund | what would you recommend tho |
| 14:55.44 | Walex | vladhaund: you need to uninstall the existing Flash implemenation and install a new one |
| 14:55.54 | vladhaund | and to how do I do this? |
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| 14:56.23 | ziro` | I’m trying to build a .deb via jenkins, it’s failing at my makefile saying: “curl: not found” and have no idea why: http://pastebin.com/H3V3ZD55 |
| 14:56.30 | ziro` | can anyone provide any suggestions? |
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| 14:56.32 | Walex | vladhaund: the whole story is here: https://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 14:56.35 | ziro` | curl is obviously installed |
| 14:56.46 | ziro` | but forwhatever reason whatever is executing that can’t see it |
| 14:56.51 | Walex | ziro`: yes, someone can provide some suggestion :-) |
| 14:57.11 | ziro` | if i run the make task directly via jenkins no problem |
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| 14:57.33 | ziro` | it seems to arise when it’s invoked by dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:57.45 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, the emachines monitor just tells that, it's not relevant, except that it's not being sensed. command comes back with nothing |
| 14:57.58 | Walex | vladhaund: try 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' and then quit IceWeasel and start it again. |
| 14:58.40 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: OK, good. Now, you said that you were using the Gnome desktop environment, right? |
| 14:58.58 | vladhaund | flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version. |
| 14:59.02 | vladhaund | ^ says that |
| 14:59.29 | Walex | vladhaund: then make sure it is the plugin effectively selected... instrustions to follow |
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| 14:59.52 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, ive had gnome for years. but gnome3 scares me, i don't find things in guis well.. i'm used to the simple drop down menus |
| 15:00.03 | mark06 | truncated I guess... I want to create a deb package but source code lies on the source subdir, along with debian. This way I have a clean structure... build, debian, resource, and source... but I have copied debian dir from original deb package, question is: does that mean I have to update *manually* all occurrences of some/file to source/some/file or is there something simpler I could do? |
| 15:00.05 | mark06 | e.g. the patches are already applied, so I'm thinking of creating a build script under build which is going to just copy source/* and debian to some staging/ and build the package from there, how about it? |
| 15:00.17 | vladhaund | how do I confirm if it is selected Walex ? |
| 15:00.48 | Walex | vladhaund: sudo update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
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| 15:01.16 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: OK, do you know which display manager you are using? If not, try 'dpkg -l |grep gdm'. |
| 15:01.33 | vladhaund | "There is only one alternative in link group flash-mozilla.so (providing /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so): /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
| 15:01.34 | vladhaund | Nothing to configure." |
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| 15:04.39 | vladhaund | I'll check out a more recent browser if this fixes the issue |
| 15:04.49 | vladhaund | brb reboot |
| 15:05.36 | vladhaund | ok back |
| 15:05.37 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, ii gdm3 3.4.1-8 64 Next generation GNOME display manager |
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| 15:06.39 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Good. Now, remember when I told you to logout from root? Disregard that, become root again ;) |
| 15:06.48 | Walex | vladhaund: the version of the browser does not really matter. |
| 15:06.55 | vladhaund | I see |
| 15:06.56 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Then run: 'service gdm3 start' |
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| 15:07.13 | chalcedony | haha |
| 15:07.14 | chalcedony | ok |
| 15:07.19 | vladhaund | hmm.. |
| 15:07.40 | Walex | vladhaund: uhm if the adobe flash plugin is slow with IceWeasel but downloads are fast |
| 15:08.05 | Walex | and viewing videos is fast, it is quite strange, unless your IceWeasel session is slow for other reasons. |
| 15:08.12 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, [FAIL] Starting GNOME3 Display manager: gdm3 failed! |
| 15:08.24 | vladhaund | that's what I thought too |
| 15:08.37 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Darn. Does it say anything else? |
| 15:08.38 | Walex | vladhaund: so create a new IceWeasel profile, and run just Youtube in it. |
| 15:08.56 | vladhaund | by means make a new window? |
| 15:09.06 | Walex | vladhaund: the possibility is that you have something else open in your current IceWeasel instance and that is slowing down the movies. |
| 15:09.14 | vladhaund | not really |
| 15:09.19 | vladhaund | just a youtube tab |
| 15:09.37 | Walex | vladhaund: no, a full new profile. |
| 15:09.44 | vladhaund | ermm |
| 15:09.47 | Walex | vladhaund: iceweasel -ProfileManager |
| 15:09.48 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, no it's not very informative |
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| 15:10.50 | Walex | vladhaund: iceweasel -no-remote -ProfileManager |
| 15:10.54 | Walex | actually |
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| 15:11.25 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: This is probably because fglrx messed with some of your packages. First and foremost, run 'apt-get remove --purge fglrx fglrx_* fglrx-amdcccle* fglrx-dev*' to remove any traces of fglrx from your system. |
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| 15:11.59 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, ok |
| 15:13.01 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, done |
| 15:13.02 | vladhaund | hmm |
| 15:13.13 | vladhaund | still not changed |
| 15:13.13 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Then, you need to reinstall the radeon driver: do 'apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-radeon' followed by 'apt-get autoremove'. |
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| 15:13.29 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, ok |
| 15:13.29 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Then, 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati'. |
| 15:13.59 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Finally, 'apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-core'. |
| 15:14.46 | chalcedony | apt-get autoremove is removing |
| 15:15.03 | Walex | xiqsjvfy: it is the 'radeon' driver, not the 'ati' one. |
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| 15:15.49 | xiqsjvfy | Walex: xserver-xorg-video-ati is a wrapper for xserver-xorg-video-radeon (and two other open source drivers for other ATi cards). |
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| 15:16.36 | Walex | vladhaund: what does "slow" then exactly mean? |
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| 15:16.48 | vladhaund | the buffer of the video |
| 15:16.57 | Walex | vladhaund: does it happen with 'chromium-browser' too? |
| 15:17.03 | vladhaund | not really |
| 15:17.12 | vladhaund | it loads dramatically faster than iceweasel |
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| 15:17.21 | Walex | vladhaund: I don't understand "the buffer of the video" |
| 15:17.39 | vladhaund | like the buffer level you see on youtube when it's streaming |
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| 15:18.15 | vladhaund | the buffer bar that shows how much is the video buffered into your browser when it's streaming |
| 15:18.34 | Walex | and what's wrong with it? |
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| 15:19.11 | vladhaund | comparing to chromium, it loads slower than iceweasel |
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| 15:19.25 | Walex | vladhaund: what "loads slower"? |
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| 15:19.50 | Walex | vladhaund: do you see any visual issues? does the video stutter or halt? |
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| 15:20.00 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: I'll be away for about 30 min. |
| 15:20.09 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, 29% .. my connection is slow dsl |
| 15:20.12 | vladhaund | not really, it just streams slower than it should be |
| 15:20.41 | Walex | vladhaund: how does that matter? |
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| 15:21.20 | vladhaund | because since I have a fast internet, I wonder why my browser loads the videos slower |
| 15:21.32 | vladhaund | but if I use chromium, it's not that really slow |
| 15:21.43 | mark06 | how to configure a custom subdir as root for a deb package? |
| 15:21.59 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, okies - 58% |
| 15:22.09 | Walex | vladhaund: why does that matter? It is pointless and even damaging to your internet connection to buffer a stream too fast or too mich |
| 15:22.09 | chalcedony | might be done if you take your time ;) |
| 15:22.25 | vladhaund | erm.. |
| 15:22.46 | vladhaund | I should find a way to fix this |
| 15:22.51 | vladhaund | I gtg for now |
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| 15:22.57 | vladhaund | thanks for helping me out wald0 |
| 15:23.00 | vladhaund | Walex, |
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| 15:23.27 | buu | Does anyone have any clever ideas for a reasonably quick way to tell if two directories on different machines are the same? |
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| 15:24.13 | ochiottes | buu: cp -u dir1 dir2 |
| 15:24.13 | Walex | buu: yes. for some value of "the same". |
| 15:24.28 | Walex | ochiottes: different machines... |
| 15:24.39 | ochiottes | oh |
| 15:25.27 | kysse | ls foo/ | md5sum ;) |
| 15:25.29 | Bungofant | man rsync |
| 15:25.41 | buu | Walex: Well,right now I'm using du -b but some file systems report slightly different file sizes =/ |
| 15:25.45 | buu | Bungofant: Not applicable here |
| 15:26.24 | Walex | buu: 'tar' the two directories and 'sha1sum' the output. |
| 15:26.38 | Walex | buu: but note that will check more stuff than you expect. |
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| 15:27.06 | Walex | buu: or use 'find', and 'sha1sum' into a list of hashes, and then hash the list |
| 15:27.13 | buu | Walex: =/ |
| 15:27.27 | buu | I was hoping for something less expensive than that |
| 15:27.51 | xmj | what is it you're really trying to achieve? |
| 15:28.01 | Walex | buu: it depends what you to check as "the same". if that involves the contents of file checksumming is the only way. |
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| 15:28.14 | buu | Walex: I'm willing to live with "close enough" if the speed different is great enough |
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| 15:28.57 | buu | But hashing 500gigs of files on this box takes a little while and I'd prefer to not do it twice |
| 15:29.41 | Bungofant | mmh... ls to a file, sort and make a diff of it? |
| 15:29.51 | kysse | indeed. |
| 15:30.23 | buu | All the files could be completely empty |
| 15:31.25 | Walex | buu: do you believe in magical thinking? |
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| 15:31.58 | Walex | buu: do you believe that the Debian Fairy will compare for you 500GB of files without computing hashes? |
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| 15:32.36 | buu | Walex: If you don't have a good answer you can just say so =] |
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| 15:37.16 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: I'm back. |
| 15:37.18 | ochiottes | buu: what if you ls -l, cut the Size of the files and write them into files, then compare these two files? |
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| 15:37.53 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, welcome back :) |
| 15:38.18 | abrotman | buu: cmp ? |
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| 15:38.39 | abrotman | wait, is it cmp? one of those can diff directories/contents IIRC |
| 15:39.24 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: What's the status of the installation? |
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| 15:39.56 | mark06 | how to configure a custom subdir as root for a deb package? |
| 15:40.03 | abrotman | buu: it was diff, read the man, not sure it does what you want (it just does file listings) |
| 15:40.06 | abrotman | mark06: you cannot |
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| 15:41.43 | buu | abrotman: I'll check it out |
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| 15:42.35 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, it's done |
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| 15:43.37 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: OK, try 'service gdm3 start' again. |
| 15:44.06 | mark06 | abrotman: sources please... e.g. I'm just checking debian/rules and found a mysterious DEB_SRCDIR makefile var... I wonder if setting it to the subdir may work |
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| 15:46.08 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, it still says [FAIL] Starting GNOME Display manager: gdm3 failed! |
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| 15:47.32 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: That's unfortunate. Try rebooting. |
| 15:48.10 | chalcedony | ok |
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| 15:50.01 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, whee! |
| 15:50.12 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, i'm in and logged in .. |
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| 15:50.37 | chalcedony | i have two monitors with two pointers and two texts -- and the texts are doubled |
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| 15:51.42 | mark06 | abrotman: also http://cdbs-doc.duckcorp.org/en/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id464552 |
| 15:51.54 | chalcedony | Applications Places Applications Places Thur Jun 19, 11:51 AM Thur Jun 19, 11:51 AM |
| 15:52.12 | chalcedony | i honestly don't know what did that.. |
| 15:52.43 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: OK, that's kind of odd. |
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| 15:53.18 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: But you're in your regular desktop environment, except for all the dublication? |
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| 15:54.09 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, it's gnome, i think gray with a debian swirl, different from squeeze |
| 15:54.13 | mark06 | about that info seems wrong about the exact syntax 594042 |
| 15:54.21 | mark06 | bug 594042 |
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| 15:54.44 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: And that's what you're seeing right now? |
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| 15:54.56 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, yes |
| 15:55.14 | chalcedony | and i said both monitors are the same thing, not extended destop |
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| 15:56.27 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Wait, do you have to physical monitors and they both show the same thing, or is your single monitor behaving like to monitors? |
| 15:56.43 | xiqsjvfy | s/to/two/g |
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| 15:58.11 | Walex | xiqsjvfy: the issue, as I summarized a couple of hours back, was that with the 'fglrx' driver <chalcedony> could only get a virtual desktop of at most 1920x1920 so iunable to get side-by-side 1920x1080 monitors. |
| 15:58.30 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, i have an emachines monitor and a samsung multisync E2420 .. they both have identical images atm |
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| 15:59.14 | xiqsjvfy | OK, well that's great then! I thought you had a single monitor and everything on it was doubled, which confused me utterly. |
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| 15:59.45 | chalcedony | the text and images are duplicated on BOTH monitors now.. instead of one with an extended desktop |
| 16:00.15 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: I'm not familiar with your desktop environment, but there should be a 'Settings' menu somewhere. |
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| 16:00.46 | xiqsjvfy | It should have an entry called 'Displays' or similar. |
| 16:00.59 | chalcedony | i think the emachines is a 19" and the samsung is 24" |
| 16:01.16 | xiqsjvfy | In there, you should be able to enable extended desktop. |
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| 16:02.35 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, i don't see anything like that in Applications or Places and if it goes to gnome3's graphics i get so lost! |
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| 16:04.31 | chalcedony | as i said before, i really don't know if i can work with gnome3's desktop |
| 16:04.45 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: What is the name of your desktop environment, exactly? Is it gnome-fallback, or Mate, or something else? |
| 16:05.16 | Walex | xiqsjvfy: [12:11] chalcedony | xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920 (desired size 3360x1080) |
| 16:05.49 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, it came with wheezy |
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| 16:06.08 | xiqsjvfy | 3360x1080? What kind of weird resolution is _that_? |
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| 16:06.23 | Walex | xiqsjvfy: it is two 1920x1080 monitors side by side |
| 16:06.24 | petern_ | 2 monitors... |
| 16:06.53 | xiqsjvfy | Walex: That would be 3840x1080, or 1920x2160. |
| 16:06.54 | Walex | xiqsjvfy: oops, one of them must be less than 1920 |
| 16:07.18 | chalcedony | one is a 19" the other is 22 or 24 |
| 16:07.38 | Walex | yes, 1440+1920 |
| 16:07.39 | chalcedony | 19" is hdmi cable or something, the other is vga |
| 16:07.49 | formorer | 2 monitors will have to screens each of 1920x1080 |
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| 16:07.58 | petern_ | Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 5040 x 1050, maximum 16384 x 16384 |
| 16:08.06 | formorer | hmm... ok |
| 16:08.07 | formorer | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 3520 x 1200, maximum 16384 x 16384 |
| 16:08.09 | Walex | formorer: only in the old style, non-RANDR configs |
| 16:08.11 | formorer | yeah. indeed |
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| 16:08.15 | petern_ | if your maximum is 1920x1920 then you're gonna have problems :( |
| 16:08.45 | chalcedony | i'm so glad you're helping! i write. math is something i can't do |
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| 16:09.08 | Walex | formorer: in new-style RANDR configs there is a single X11 screen and monitors get mapped into that single screen. Blame Keith Packard for that moronic idea (one of several he has had)., |
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| 16:09.36 | Walex | xiqsjvfy: [13:40] Walex | xiqsjvfy: as you may have surmised the basic situation is: 1) ATI HD3200 chip. 2) installed "fglrx" from the AMD/ATI installer, then removed. 3) would not accept a virtual screen larger than 1920x1920 4) probably using the "radeon" driver is the best. |
| 16:09.38 | chalcedony | appreciates Walex |
| 16:09.42 | formorer | Walex: I wasn't aware of that change. thanks for correcting me |
| 16:09.57 | Walex | lastlog sabi.co.uk |
| 16:10.10 | Walex | formorer: it is not a correction, but an update |
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| 16:10.20 | formorer | you corrected me, not xrandr :) |
| 16:10.52 | Walex | formorer: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/12-thr.html#121019 is something I wrote to described the full madness |
| 16:10.55 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: What does xrandr output now? |
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| 16:12.06 | Walex | lastlog paste 10 |
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| 16:13.10 | peetaur2 | Does debian have an equivalent to "rpm --setperms PACKAGE_NAME" ? it's not listed here https://wiki.debian.org/RPM (a troll in #linux told someone to chmod 777 -R /) |
| 16:14.10 | Walex | peetaur2: it is not necessarily a "troll": some people do that both in GNU/Linux and MS-Windows to avoid bothering with permissions. |
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| 16:14.32 | chalcedony | http://paste.debian.net/105855/ |
| 16:14.33 | peetaur2 | he tricked him purposely by responding with a chmod -R 777 / path/to/files/ (with a space after /) |
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| 16:15.36 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Max is still 1920x1920. That's... surprising. |
| 16:15.55 | Walex | xiqsjvfy: alternatively to using 'radeon' now that 'fglrx' is installed and workin fine one could put in the dual-head two-screen xinerama config |
| 16:16.13 | Walex | xiqsjvfy: alternatively to using 'radeon' now that 'fglrx' is installed *the debian way* and workin fine one could put in the dual-head two-screen xinerama config |
| 16:16.24 | xiqsjvfy | Walex: fglrx is not installed. |
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| 16:16.36 | xiqsjvfy | This is all radeon. |
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| 16:16.39 | Walex | xiqsjvfy: I was a way for two hours... |
| 16:16.49 | PeL | hi |
| 16:16.54 | Walex | that's very surprising. |
| 16:16.56 | peetaur2 | (and his command included the word "troll") |
| 16:17.04 | PeL | !list |
| 16:17.04 | dpkg | pel: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 16:17.07 | xiqsjvfy | Walex: I know right? |
| 16:17.15 | Walex | xiqsjvfy: I have a motherboard with an an mebedded HD3200 and it does not have this issue |
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| 16:17.52 | chalcedony | nor probably does it have double text& info |
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| 16:18.16 | Walex | xiqsjvfy: my HD3200 gives me "maximum 8192 x 8192" |
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| 16:18.30 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Could you paste the output of |
| 16:18.37 | xiqsjvfy | 'lsmod |grep radeon' |
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| 16:18.55 | Walex | chalcedony: the X server can operate in several modes, one is "clone mode" with the same stuff displayed on both screens. |
| 16:19.01 | xiqsjvfy | and also 'lsmod |grep fglrx', just to be sure. |
| 16:19.05 | ziro` | http://pastebin.com/UtU7VVnD |
| 16:19.16 | ziro` | via make via dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:19.53 | Walex | xiqsjvfy: the other possibility is that since this is an embedded GPU using main RAM it i has been configured in the BIOS with too little memory to support more than 1920x1920. |
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| 16:20.25 | xiqsjvfy | Walex: That's a possibility. |
| 16:20.36 | idueppe | Need some help with ssh login. I am installing opennebula-host with a oneadmin user. I guess I did pretty the same as for my normal user. But get still the password request. ssh -v print out this http://pastebin.com/p7Txnj1f |
| 16:20.37 | Walex | checks and I actually have an HD3300, RS780D |
| 16:20.46 | Walex | checks and I actually have an HD3300, RS780D configured with 32MB of RAM BTW |
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| 16:20.56 | chalcedony | http://paste.debian.net/105857/ |
| 16:22.02 | warcques | Does anybody know if there is a standard command that does the equivalent of "grep -A 2 textline file" (show context of 'textline' in file) ? or should I continue grepping ? |
| 16:22.11 | chalcedony | Walex, sure 'clone mode' is two screens with one copy of applications places date .. mine has 2 |
| 16:22.13 | warcques | or something very similar |
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| 16:24.17 | Walex | chalcedony: that is hard to understand. |
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| 16:24.24 | LordDeath | for some reason my /var/log/mail.log has not been updated since December 2013 |
| 16:24.34 | LordDeath | afair then I made the squeeze to wheezy upgrade |
| 16:24.35 | chalcedony | Walex, it's very weird |
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| 16:24.49 | LordDeath | what happened there? |
| 16:24.51 | Walex | chalcedony: anyhow now you have working setup with the "radeon" driver which is the better one for this graphics chip |
| 16:25.02 | Walex | chalcedony: the issue is to make it work like you want. |
| 16:25.15 | chalcedony | Walex, true |
| 16:25.42 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Try this: xrandr --ouput VGA-0 --right-of DVI-0 |
| 16:25.47 | Walex | chalcedony: for me and xiqsjvfy do 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log' and 'xrandr | pastebinit' |
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| 16:25.57 | chalcedony | it does not seem unreasonable to want the controls to be on my larger monitor and have the use of both monitors, separately as one large screen |
| 16:26.01 | Walex | xiqsjvfy: the virtual screen is 1920x1920, it won't fit. |
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| 16:26.29 | ziro` | I am trying to build a package, but my make file is returning that /usr/bin/curl can’t be found when it’s right there on the machine, anyone? |
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| 16:27.12 | Walex | [ |
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| 16:28.47 | Walex | my Xorg log for a similar chip is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7669899/ |
| 16:29.04 | LordDeath | even the auth.log hasn't been updated anymore :( |
| 16:29.20 | Walex | and the 'xrandr' output is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7669940/ |
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| 16:29.47 | Walex | LordDeath: either your syslog process is dead or you are not running a mail server or client :-) |
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| 16:30.07 | LordDeath | how can I check the syslog process? |
| 16:30.21 | LordDeath | syslogd? |
| 16:30.22 | Walex | chalcedony: ah, you have already posted your 'xrandr' |
| 16:30.31 | Walex | LordDeath: ps aux | grep syslog |
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| 16:30.52 | LordDeath | it is running |
| 16:31.08 | Walex | LordDeath: then check the contents of '/etc/syslog.conf' |
| 16:31.26 | chalcedony | it's too much for pastebin |
| 16:31.48 | chalcedony | length of code is not allowed to exceed 150 kb |
| 16:32.32 | LordDeath | my syslog.conf http://pastebin.com/wUA8JsJv |
| 16:33.27 | LordDeath | what about /etc/rsyslog.d |
| 16:33.33 | LordDeath | I have only a postfix.conf in there |
| 16:33.43 | Walex | LordDeath: depends on which log daemon you are running. |
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| 16:33.46 | chalcedony | http://paste.debian.net/105859/ xrandr |
| 16:34.11 | Walex | chalcedony: head -400 /var/log/Xorg.0.conf | pastebinit |
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| 16:34.39 | abrotman | hides from formorer |
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| 16:34.53 | formorer | abrotman: ? |
| 16:35.28 | formorer | ah google+ |
| 16:35.45 | chalcedony | http://paste.debian.net/105863/ Walex xiqsjvfy the var/log |
| 16:35.51 | chalcedony | just the last part |
| 16:36.18 | chalcedony | let's see if i got enough manually |
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| 16:36.42 | OneST8 | hey all, need some help creating custom debian packages... I'm unable to find the documentation which would indicate where files are unpacked and at which stage, my upgrade scripts are rather involved and too unwieldy to be kept in the {pre,post}{inst,rm} files themselves |
| 16:37.29 | OneST8 | what I want to do is have the actual debian packaging scripts to call out to other specialized scripts |
| 16:37.39 | OneST8 | question is; where do I put these specialized scripts? |
| 16:38.03 | formorer | abrotman: jftr. that will also mean gmail (rumors say that they will add p=reject) users won't be able won't be able to use lists anymore. |
| 16:38.07 | formorer | must be a good thing. |
| 16:38.33 | abrotman | formorer: I was at the same conference as Marco. Probably should go to msg if we want to continue |
| 16:38.46 | formorer | or use the bug :) |
| 16:38.56 | SynrG | OneST8: see #debian-mentors about that perhaps |
| 16:39.13 | OneST8 | SynrG: will do |
| 16:39.35 | abrotman | formorer: I'm not sure I know enough about the internals of the Debian Lists and what is behind them to comment on the path Debian takes, I'm just saying that it's not as evil as the blog author makes it out to be |
| 16:39.36 | Walex | chalcedony: head -400 /var/log/Xorg.0.conf | pastebinit |
| 16:39.49 | OneST8 | SynrG: gah channel doesn't exist anymore |
| 16:39.56 | LordDeath | Walex: I installed rsyslogd, stopped syslogd and started the service for rsyslogd |
| 16:40.03 | Walex | chalcedony: the beginning is what is more interesting in 'Xorg.0.conf' |
| 16:40.06 | LordDeath | now it resumed the logging :) |
| 16:40.21 | LordDeath | next I will take a look into logrotate... |
| 16:40.24 | SynrG | OneST8: irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:40.28 | Walex | LordDeath: good, but that means you had messed up something :-) |
| 16:40.35 | LordDeath | me?? never :P |
| 16:40.43 | LordDeath | it was apt during the dist-upgrade |
| 16:40.47 | OneST8 | SynrG: oh? oftc? interesting... thanks! |
| 16:40.49 | SynrG | OneST8: aka irc.debian.org |
| 16:41.05 | SynrG | Since several years ago |
| 16:41.40 | OneST8 | yea it's been a while for me, obviously heh |
| 16:41.48 | SynrG | :) |
| 16:42.03 | johndoe | running glxgears tells me Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Can I fix this somehow? |
| 16:42.15 | formorer | abrotman: it is a general problem for lists and not really lists.d.o specific |
| 16:43.06 | abrotman | formorer: I'm well aware, I've been reading the lists regarding the thing for awhile. I'm saying that in this case, it applies to Debian .. the BTS doesn't solve the rest of the world :) |
| 16:43.28 | linuxuz3r | johndoe, what gfx card and driver do you have |
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| 16:43.52 | formorer | abrotman: I disagree. It is a decision all list admins wil have to take. |
| 16:44.08 | linuxuz3r | johndoe, you need mesa glx |
| 16:44.09 | abrotman | formorer: I mean the BTS doesn't apply outside of Debian, and each can make their own decision. |
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| 16:44.45 | abrotman | formorer: There's a mild chance I might know more about this than you think :) |
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| 16:45.13 | formorer | sure. but I can promise that the decision we take will be a boilerplate for a lot of other services. |
| 16:45.17 | Walex | johndoe: sure you can, but "somehow" is a pretty wide qualifier |
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| 16:45.38 | formorer | abrotman: therefore I want as many as possible persons involved in the discussion |
| 16:45.50 | abrotman | formorer: I'm not sure, but if so, I'd take a good look at what Mailman has done to mitigate it with their software (again, I don't know what Debian uses on the backend) |
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| 16:46.13 | formorer | yeah. I had several lists which used the new mailman. They already reverted the change. |
| 16:46.14 | Walex | chalcedony: I need to see that 'Xorg.0.log' beginning to check whether the driver has enough memory to do a bigger virtual screen that can cover both of your monitors. |
| 16:46.30 | johndoe | linuxuz3r: radeon 4890, radeon |
| 16:46.49 | abrotman | formorer: reverted, meaning they took the rewrite out? or put it in? |
| 16:46.57 | formorer | disabled it again |
| 16:47.11 | chalcedony | Walex, ok |
| 16:47.13 | johndoe | linuxuz3r: mesa glx is installed |
| 16:47.24 | linuxuz3r | oh |
| 16:47.27 | linuxuz3r | thats odd |
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| 16:47.39 | formorer | abrotman: for example see the amavis mailinglist. The list was just unusable with the rewriting |
| 16:47.47 | linuxuz3r | that should work if your drivers are installed correctly |
| 16:47.54 | abrotman | formorer: ah okay .. well, we'll see. I'll keep an eye on the bug ... I was there with Marco (I chatted with him quickly), but I think this thing is moving forward, and it's going to become more widespread. |
| 16:48.31 | formorer | and the victims are the users. |
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| 16:49.41 | abrotman | formorer: you look at it two ways .. either they can't use mailing lists, or they get inundated with a large amount of spam |
| 16:49.55 | chalcedony | Walex, http://paste.debian.net/105867/ |
| 16:49.58 | abrotman | formorer: if MLs can be resolved, do you have other objections to that technology? |
| 16:50.04 | chalcedony | i hope i got enough of it |
| 16:50.04 | formorer | abrotman: it is totally insane to implement such a thing without a solution for the most use cases. |
| 16:50.30 | abrotman | formorer: I don't think they took the decision lightly .. They knew what would happen. Keep that in mind. |
| 16:51.06 | formorer | abrotman: I think it also breaks networks with forced relay hosts. but that is not my problem. but I have a problem with this technology if I can't run mailinglists properly anymore. |
| 16:51.28 | RoyK | hm... seems https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-0224 isn't fixed in squeeze - is that right? |
| 16:51.36 | abrotman | formorer: I'll see if I can contribute to the bug in a meaningful way .. we've been OT long enough :) |
| 16:52.15 | abrotman | formorer: ironically, the email I usually use for interacting with Debian things is an @yahoo address ... neat :) |
| 16:52.20 | jdabinett | what's up with systemd hanging on boot? |
| 16:52.29 | abrotman | formorer: I'll catch up with you later, off to a meeting |
| 16:52.41 | formorer | abrotman: thanks |
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| 16:55.24 | Walex | chalcedony: looking at it, but it seems the memory is good. very strange. |
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| 16:56.38 | chalcedony | Walex, i'm glad to hear that.. i was hoping that upgrading to wheezy wasn't going to use up all my ram |
| 16:57.06 | Walex | chalcedony: no, much the same. Were you able to use both monitors with different content previously? |
| 16:57.11 | chalcedony | firefox/iceweasel have always been heavy ram users |
| 16:57.42 | chalcedony | Walex, yes - we used some commands to make them right |
| 16:58.08 | Walex | chalcedony: and what were you using before? |
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| 16:58.09 | chalcedony | but it's different now, and i would know them if i had access to my old drive |
| 16:58.41 | chalcedony | at least probably i can look |
| 16:59.05 | Walex | chalcedony: for some reason the "driver" in Wheezy thinks that your HD3200 graphics chip can't support a desktop larger than 1920x1920, and your monitors together are bigger than that. |
| 16:59.43 | Walex | chalcedony: it is very strange because the "radeon" driver works very well usually with older chips, better than the "fglrx" driver, and the "fglrx" driver had the same limitation. |
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| 17:00.13 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Try explicitly creating a larger virtual monitor by specifying the size in xorg.conf. To do this, logout from your graphical environment, switch to tty1 with ctrl alt f1, login as root, cd /etc/X11, mkdir xorg.conf.d, cd xorg.conf.d, nano radeon-20.conf. |
| 17:01.29 | xiqsjvfy | In the file radeon-20.conf, write the following: http://paste.debian.net/105869/ |
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| 17:03.18 | xiqsjvfy | Then service gdm3 restart |
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| 17:04.01 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, Walex wow thank you let me do that! |
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| 17:04.20 | Walex | chalcedony: xiqsjvfy's suggestion seems sensible |
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| 17:05.48 | chalcedony | how do i log out from here Walex xiqsjvfy ? |
| 17:07.03 | Walex | chalcedony: from where? |
| 17:07.49 | chalcedony | Walex, gnome? |
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| 17:08.43 | Walex | chalcedony: I think top right the "user" icon (looks like a person's outline) |
| 17:08.44 | chalcedony | or just ctrl f1? |
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| 17:08.49 | chalcedony | ah sure |
| 17:09.02 | Walex | chalcedony: or ctrl-alt-<= |
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| 17:11.56 | Walex | the strange thing about this HD3200 issue is that it is mentioned in other web reports, and the strangeness is that RANDR-enabled drivers should *always* use 8192x8192 at least for virtual desktop size. |
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| 17:16.55 | Teltariat | Asked this one before, but looking for more input: how is everyone managing building and hosting in source control their private tree of Debian packages? |
| 17:17.43 | chalcedony | [13:03:08] <xiqsjvfy> Then service gdm3 restart - gdm: unrecognized service |
| 17:17.58 | chalcedony | Walex, maybe restart the system? |
| 17:18.21 | Walex | chalcedony: that is fine, a bit slow. |
| 17:18.38 | chalcedony | let's see if it works |
| 17:18.42 | Walex | chalcedony: it is 'gdm3' |
| 17:18.46 | jmcnaught | chalcedony: did you type "gdm" or "gdm3" for that command |
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| 17:20.12 | chalcedony | gdm .. gdm3 got me: [ OK ] Stopping GNOME display manager: gdm3 ; [ OK ] startaing GNOME display manager: gdm3 .. and no change from text mode |
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| 17:22.21 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: You need to manually switch back with ctrl alt f7 |
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| 17:23.14 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, i have a flashing cursor in the top left corners of two black screens |
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| 17:25.10 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Mhm, so it's doing that thing again. Weird, and probably not worth troubleshooting. Just reboot. If it does the same thing again, delete the file you just created. |
| 17:25.24 | chalcedony | i'm so sorry |
| 17:25.42 | johndoe | linuxuz3r: i reinstalled some gfx packages, now everything works fine. thanks :) |
| 17:25.54 | chalcedony | at least it sees the keyboard - ctrl alt delete works fine |
| 17:26.06 | linuxuz3r | ok |
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| 17:27.25 | Walex | chalcedony: /w 2 |
| 17:27.33 | Walex | oops |
| 17:27.50 | Walex | chalcedony: there is a good chance that bit of paste will work. |
| 17:28.25 | chalcedony | Walex, hum? |
| 17:28.37 | Walex | chalcedony: the one that xiqsjvfy suggested |
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| 17:28.40 | chalcedony | i did'nt do it yet, i'm logged in though |
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| 17:29.21 | chalcedony | the "Screen" for xorg.conf? |
| 17:29.40 | chalcedony | it doesn't seem to be working |
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| 17:31.29 | xiqsjvfy | chalcedony: Did you reboot? |
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| 17:32.40 | chalcedony | yes with ctrl alt delete |
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| 17:34.02 | wizzy__ | I'm trying to reinstall Debian on a server. However it seems that when grub is booting, it finds some old /boot partition and old initrd and tries to boot these instead of the correct ones. Any clues how to get rid of these old pieces from the previous /boot? |
| 17:34.02 | chalcedony | and then with f7 .. we got two blank screens with a white blinking cursor in the left top corner |
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| 17:35.23 | xiqsjvfy | Hmm. If you move the file you created (/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/radeon-20) somewhere else and service gdm3 restart, does do you get a regular desktop? |
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| 17:36.52 | chalcedony | i'll try that |
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| 17:40.20 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, yep i'm back to the gray screen with the swirl - gnome.. |
| 17:40.47 | chalcedony | and the same double screens with the weird duplicate data |
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| 17:41.48 | xiqsjvfy | I'm starting to think this may be a hardware problem :/ |
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| 17:41.59 | idueppe | How can I enable the ssh login for a user just from a limit ip range while another user can login from any ip |
| 17:42.10 | chalcedony | xiqsjvfy, you've been very patient |
| 17:42.31 | chalcedony | it worked fine in squeeze (at least for the monitors) |
| 17:43.14 | chalcedony | my last update in squeeze had it not seing one of my cores, and no sound |
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| 17:48.45 | chalcedony | perhaps we all need a rest and should take this up another time? |
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| 17:49.43 | xiqsjvfy | Quite possibly |
| 17:49.49 | RoyK | doing some lab work on zfsonlinux on debian7, what would you recommend for an iscsi target? iscsitarget or istgt? |
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| 17:50.43 | chalcedony | thank you all VERY much! |
| 17:51.06 | chalcedony | Walex, very much appreciated! |
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| 17:52.56 | wizzy__ | Found an easy solution to my problem: dd if=/dev/zero of=/boot/foo - just ran it a few times, rebooted from rescue and then it booted up perfectly |
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| 17:54.12 | jhutchins | RoyK: Since it's lab work, try 'em both and benchmark. |
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| 17:55.21 | RoyK | jhutchins: wasn't think of performance, primarily, more of implementation quality |
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| 17:56.31 | lmat | How do I run a command when I login? |
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| 17:56.46 | lmat | I see some suggestions online about putting in .bashrc, but that's definitely not what I want :) |
| 17:57.05 | lmat | I'm wanting a drive to mount when I login |
| 17:57.13 | lmat | You know... it wouldn't be terrible if it mounted on startup... |
| 17:57.24 | `ryban | Good evening |
| 17:57.41 | Walex | chalcedony: I'll be back, I have to go now. |
| 17:57.51 | mtn | lmat: /etc/fstab handles moutning drives on bootup |
| 17:58.01 | lmat | mtn: What about at login? ^_^ |
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| 18:19.36 | RoyK | was aptitude drinking? |
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| 18:19.37 | babilen | RoyK: Well, they were unused and it was therefore perfectly fine for aptitude to remove them. I can't tell you *why* that is, but I would be surprised if the installation of openssh-server or openssh-client has anything to do with it. |
| 18:19.37 | superboot | Hi all. How can I see what repo a package is comming from that is listed in apt-cache search/show? |
| 18:19.37 | RoyK | babilen: in apt land, you'd have to do an autoremove :P |
| 18:19.37 | babilen | RoyK: My guess would be that cami1000 used apt-get to remove another package before that was a dependency of one of the gnome metapackages. apt-get doesn't remove them automatically whereas aptitude does. |
| 18:19.38 | afidegnum | RoyK, how do i use apache and nginx on the same web server? |
| 18:19.38 | babilen | RoyK: Well, aptitude removes unused packages by default. |
| 18:19.38 | RoyK | afidegnum: different ports |
| 18:19.38 | babilen | cami1000: So, are you happy with the situation? |
| 18:19.38 | afidegnum | apache will be for domain1.com and nginx will be for domain3.com |
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| 18:19.38 | RoyK | afidegnum: nginx and apache can't both listen to port 80 or 443 |
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| 18:20.21 | RoyK | afidegnum: you can do the same with squid, but varnish does it far better |
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| 18:21.16 | afidegnum | I think I will use varnish as it's recommended |
| 18:21.23 | afidegnum | but i need more directions |
| 18:21.48 | formorer | usually it is just overkill. you will know when you have to use a real caching proxy like varnish |
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| 18:22.08 | RoyK | afidegnum: start with the varnish docs. there's an irc channel for varnish too, @irc.linpro.no iirc |
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| 18:22.40 | afidegnum | RoyK so will varnish bridge apache and nginx ? |
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| 18:24.01 | babilen | afidegnum: Just out of curiosity: Why do you want to use two different webservers? And why no love for lighttpd? ;) |
| 18:24.57 | RoyK | afidegnum: no, it won't, but it can divert calls to this or that website to other servers on other ports - it's what it's for |
| 18:25.20 | RoyK | afidegnum: some webservers are better at different things - just like people use different OSes for different things ;) |
| 18:25.39 | Bungofant | yes. use "fnord" as your httpd und write your web apps in c. ^^ |
| 18:25.53 | RoyK | hehhe |
| 18:26.00 | afidegnum | babilen: I haven't used lightttpd yet |
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| 18:26.22 | RoyK | afidegnum: don't |
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| 18:26.57 | babilen | Qualified statement there |
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| 18:27.27 | afidegnum | RoyK thanks,so what do you think ? |
| 18:27.33 | afidegnum | how does proxying works? |
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| 18:27.36 | RoyK | babilen: just MHO |
| 18:27.44 | afidegnum | or i need to install varnish? |
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| 18:28.06 | babilen | afidegnum: Why don't you start by telling people what you are actually trying to achieve ... |
| 18:28.07 | mark06 | how do I tell quilt where to find the top dir? |
| 18:28.16 | RoyK | afidegnum: you can proxy stuff with both apache and nginx, but I find varnish better. it's used by a rather large amount of very large webservers |
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| 18:29.12 | RoyK | afidegnum: it's very fast and caches well, and can be fine-tuned to sort out cookies and whatever to make caching better |
| 18:29.18 | afidegnum | ok, let me try installing varnish |
| 18:29.47 | cami1000 | lmat: babilen: RoyK: no i'm not happy :) and it doesn't remove unused packages because i have an instance of gedit right now ! |
| 18:29.49 | RoyK | afidegnum: are these webservers in production at the moment? if so, install it and set it up on some other port and test it well first |
| 18:29.51 | cami1000 | so i use it |
| 18:29.59 | afidegnum | babilen: I have a mini server having installed apache by default and nginx |
| 18:30.15 | afidegnum | RoyK none of them are in production et |
| 18:30.20 | RoyK | ok |
| 18:30.31 | cami1000 | and i didn't remove any package just before that. |
| 18:30.42 | waynr | there is a program that evaluates scripts in order when they are of the fomat 00_<alphanumericname> |
| 18:30.45 | waynr | or something like that |
| 18:30.51 | waynr | does anyone know what i am talking about? |
| 18:31.11 | RoyK | cami1000: then setup apache to listen to something like port 81 and nginx on port 82 and use varnish as a frontend to proxy to them, according to request |
| 18:31.12 | waynr | or what this style of script name is called |
| 18:31.12 | lmat | cami1000: all that *{u} stuff looks fishy :) |
| 18:31.19 | OEP | waynr: run-parts? |
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| 18:31.28 | waynr | OEP: yeah that's it, thanks |
| 18:31.33 | lmat | cami1000: whoa, you went ahead and removed them ? ouch |
| 18:31.34 | afidegnum | so I an going to install varnish now |
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| 18:31.58 | lmat | cami1000: So are they really removed ? |
| 18:32.13 | babilen | cami1000: So, what would you like to achieve? |
| 18:32.32 | babilen | afidegnum: So, just because someone gave you a miniserver with some pre-installed software you want to use it? |
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| 18:33.33 | RoyK | afidegnum: that last message to cami1000 was meant for you :P |
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| 18:33.38 | babilen | cami1000: It might help to debug the situation if you could paste /var/log/apt/history.log too -- And a tip for the future: If you don't want to remove packages then don't answer "Y" when that is being proposed. |
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| 18:33.50 | lmat | cami1000: That reminds me a bit of when you install a 386 package. |
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| 18:33.56 | cami1000 | babilen: lol |
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| 18:34.08 | lmat | cami1000: Talk to you later! |
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| 18:34.11 | babilen | cami1000: So, what would you like to achieve now? |
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| 18:34.37 | afidegnum | RoyK thanks, let me check on it |
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| 18:34.46 | afidegnum | babilen: it's my server :) |
| 18:34.52 | cami1000 | babilen: i don't exactly know, i want to finish to configure my debian for a node.js server with nginx. |
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| 18:35.07 | babilen | afidegnum: And Apache just for the fun of it? |
| 18:35.17 | cami1000 | babilen: i'm a vim addict so gedit is not so important. |
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| 18:35.38 | cami1000 | babilen: and i'm connected to this computer with ssh. |
| 18:35.52 | afidegnum | I will be moving away from apache slowly |
| 18:35.52 | RoyK | cami1000: vim ftw! |
| 18:36.24 | babilen | cami1000: Okay, I can't help you to do something if you don't tell me what you want. If you are missing software now (which?) then you should probably install that again. If you tell me what is missing then I might be able to suggest suitable metapackages (for example) |
| 18:36.29 | cami1000 | i just wanted to understand why installing openssh-server remove gedit and others apps. |
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| 18:36.53 | babilen | cami1000: Yes, please paste /var/log/apt/history.log to http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:36.59 | RoyK | afidegnum: set apache to listen to 81, varnish to listen to 80, and add something like this to your /etc/varnish/default.vcl http://paste.ubuntu.com/7670647/ |
| 18:37.08 | babilen | cami1000: It is a bit hard to investigate now as you already removed all of those packages. |
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| 18:37.18 | RoyK | afidegnum: and then learn to configure varnish to distinguish between different requests |
| 18:37.57 | babilen | cami1000: I've told you my current working hypethesis and I might be able to corroborate that with data from your logs |
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| 18:38.16 | SerajewelKS | this may be slightly OT, but is there a good USB wlan adapter that supports multiple SSIDs and is well supported by debian? is there some standard go-to adapter or set of adapters that tends to be used with debian? |
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| 18:38.24 | RoyK | afidegnum: if you're dealing with ssl traffic, it's possible with an nginx/varnish 'sandwich' that allows nginx to decrypt the traffic before sending it to varnish for it to be cached, and then sent to whatever webserver to be serviced |
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| 18:38.46 | RoyK | afidegnum: we're using that a lot to help our poor webservers that tend to be sad at times |
| 18:38.46 | afidegnum | RoyK thanks, let me look into it, |
| 18:38.58 | OEP | So is it preferable to build Debian source packages even if you don't actually have the source? That seems to be the case according to the "Introduction to Debian Packaging" tutorial. |
| 18:39.21 | afidegnum | RoyK so will varnish compres requested data or static pages? |
| 18:39.38 | RoyK | afidegnum: it doesn't compress, it caches |
| 18:40.00 | afidegnum | ah, ok |
| 18:40.07 | afidegnum | let me give it a try |
| 18:40.20 | idueppe | I like to install openvswitch. I wonder if there already deb packages available or do I have it to install from source. I don't think that I need the latest version. |
| 18:40.37 | RoyK | afidegnum: it caches according to whatever's set in the http headers, which can be overridden, if you dare |
| 18:40.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell idueppe -about search |
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| 18:41.15 | babilen | judd: v openstack-proxy-node |
| 18:41.16 | judd | Package: openstack-proxy-node on i386 -- jessie: 0.8; sid: 0.8 |
| 18:41.24 | babilen | idueppe: ^^^ (so not available on wheezy) |
| 18:41.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell idueppe -about ssb |
| 18:41.53 | RoyK | dpkg: tell me -about ssb |
| 18:41.59 | RoyK | idiobot |
| 18:41.59 | cami1000 | babilen: sorry, it just take time for me to jungle with clipboard and ssh etc.. :) |
| 18:42.04 | babilen | idueppe: Backporting it yourself (by following the steps our bot just told you about) might be easy. |
| 18:42.14 | cami1000 | babilen: it's coming... |
| 18:42.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell cami1000 -about pastebinit |
| 18:42.41 | babilen | cami1000: You should have told me earlier! :) |
| 18:43.38 | cami1000 | babilen: excellent thanks |
| 18:43.43 | idueppe | to fast for me: so https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=openvswitch their I see openvswitch packages ... are these the wrong ones? |
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| 18:45.04 | babilen | idueppe: Ah, no not at all. Sorry, I only checked one of those packages and didn't realise that others are in wheezy already. |
| 18:45.25 | cami1000 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/105880/ |
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| 18:46.50 | idueppe | ok ... so I found these packages and I search for some manual how to install openvswitch ... but all I found was how to install it from source... so I'm confused |
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| 18:48.39 | babilen | idueppe: Pick the package that suits what you think of as "openvswitch" and install that. |
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| 18:49.11 | idueppe | If the open source project doesn't offer the packages and only describe the installation from source code, but I see binary packages for debian where should I find the installation doc |
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| 18:50.38 | babilen | idueppe: Documentation is typically in /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE/ -- Sorry, I am just not familiar with that software and therefore can't walk you through it. |
| 18:51.59 | babilen | cami1000: "apt-get remove iceweasel" is what caused this |
| 18:52.28 | babilen | cami1000: It is a dependency of the gnome task you have installed (and why don't use you iceweasel it *is* firefox and very well integrated (unlike firefox) in Debian) |
| 18:52.29 | idueppe | that fine I only need a general answere because I always stuck at the point how to figure out which package to choose and to install or better where can I start reading |
| 18:53.05 | babilen | cami1000: So the removal of that package caused the removal of all the other packages on line 127 and, in turn, all their dependencies (as nothing depends on those automatically installed packages) |
| 18:53.22 | babilen | cami1000: Oh, and you don't seem to use Debian so please take it to the mint channel for support. |
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| 18:53.50 | babilen | cami1000: This channel quite explicitly only supports Debian and Debian users for a number of technical *and* social reasons. |
| 18:54.53 | cami1000 | babilen: i'm on debian |
| 18:55.23 | cami1000 | but maybe i use a mint repository for installing firefox |
| 18:55.24 | babilen | cami1000: No, you are not. There is no firefox package on Debian and, in particular, no 30.0~linuxmint1 version at that. |
| 18:55.37 | babilen | So, you are not using Debian and are no longer supported in here. |
| 18:55.53 | afidegnum | I think it's better i move ot python, this is getting overwhelming |
| 18:55.57 | cami1000 | babilen: ok, but please believe me i'm on debian |
| 18:56.01 | afidegnum | python and django |
| 18:56.10 | cami1000 | babilen: i just add a repository for installing firefox |
| 18:56.17 | babilen | cami1000: I would strongly recommend against using third-party and repositories of other distributions. In particular for something as useless as firefox. |
| 18:56.48 | cami1000 | babilen: ok, i just google how to install firefox and find this way |
| 18:57.02 | RoyK | afidegnum: python and django is nice, but stick to one point at a time. python/django won't do the job varnish can do, but it may be easier to code on python/django than php |
| 18:57.03 | SerajewelKS | cami1000: why not just use iceweasel |
| 18:57.07 | babilen | cami1000: Well, you added mint repositories which is not supported by us. (and there really is no need for it anyway as Iceweasel *is* Firefox) |
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| 18:57.48 | afidegnum | RoyK thanks for your comfort :) |
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| 18:58.09 | jmcnaught | cami1000: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian see especially the part about FrankenDebian. Mixing repos from other distros is one of the easiest ways to break your system. |
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| 18:58.32 | babilen | cami1000: If you want a newer Iceweasel version see http://mozilla.debian.net for supported versions (packaged by the Debian team) |
| 18:58.47 | cami1000 | babilen: just did : http://paste.debian.net/105881/ |
| 18:59.28 | RoyK | cami1000: is fr_FR.UTF-8 installed? |
| 18:59.37 | babilen | cami1000: I'd make that a "apt-get purge iceweasel" -- Furthermore I'd recommend to remove those mint repos. So, to get your gnome back you will have to reinstall it, but you might want to use a smaller metapackage |
| 18:59.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell cami1000 -about install gnome |
| 19:00.03 | Streusel | I'm stuck with an issue, I got a directory structure of foo/foo/bar/foobar, how to I move the last 3 folder 1 up? |
| 19:00.13 | cami1000 | babilen: i remove the mint repository |
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| 19:00.36 | babilen | cami1000: My personal recommendation would be to install either the gnome-core or "gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome" packages + everything else you want. |
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| 19:02.04 | babilen | cami1000: And as I said: If you installed firefox from their repositories only to get a new version you can grab current releases and beta/aurora releases from http://mozilla.debian.net .. A "dpkg-reconfigure locales" run to generate your current fr_FR.UTF-8 (which is being transferred by SSH) locale |
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| 19:04.07 | ompaul | Streusel: do you mean how to run mv foo/foo/bar/foobar foo/foo/foobar ? |
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| 19:04.37 | ompaul | Streusel: or do you mean how to run mv foo/foo/bar/foobar foobar etc |
| 19:04.48 | ompaul | can't follow the request |
| 19:04.49 | Streusel | ompaul I want "foo/bar/foobar" to move 1 up |
| 19:04.57 | Streusel | so all 3 folders. |
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| 19:05.24 | phogg | Streusel: still not clear |
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| 19:06.19 | Streusel | phogg I have foo/foo/bar/foobar , I want to move the 2nd foo folder 1 up. I assume I have to probably delete 1 foo folder since I'll else have 2 foo folders in the same dir |
| 19:06.33 | ompaul | Streusel: that is not a good question, please ask it some other way where does the foo/foo/bar/foobar live |
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| 19:06.46 | phogg | Streusel: You have the dirs: a/b/c/d/. (1) You want dir d moved to be in dir a and dir c to be moved to be in dir a? (2) You want to move dir b to be in the same dir as a, but c stays in dir b? |
| 19:06.51 | ompaul | Streusel: you have 1/2/3/4 what do you want |
| 19:07.04 | ompaul | 2/3/4 parallel to 1 ? |
| 19:07.12 | ompaul | what exactly are you asking |
| 19:07.20 | phogg | Streusel: ah yes, you would need to rename or delete the original foo, or name the sub-foo something else when you move it |
| 19:07.25 | phogg | Streusel: one of the two |
| 19:07.29 | ompaul | or |
| 19:07.32 | cami1000 | RoyK: i'm french yes |
| 19:07.52 | ompaul | Streusel: you could mv foo/bar/foobar ../. |
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| 19:08.00 | cami1000 | babilen: ok, so i want to put that back in order |
| 19:08.18 | ompaul | Streusel: did you copy a home directory to inside itself? |
| 19:08.37 | Streusel | I don't understand that question |
| 19:08.42 | Streusel | inside itself? |
| 19:08.44 | ompaul | Streusel: I give up. |
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| 19:09.11 | cami1000 | # aptitude install iceweasel |
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| 19:09.23 | Streusel | :/ |
| 19:09.27 | ompaul | is it /home/streusel/streusel/stuff/morestuff |
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| 19:09.34 | Streusel | yes |
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| 19:10.12 | ompaul | so there are already copies of stuff in there of other things? |
| 19:10.15 | babilen | cami1000: As mentioned earlier: You will almost certainly want to install a newer version from http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 19:10.30 | Streusel | exactly. |
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| 19:10.53 | phogg | Streusel: so you want to merge the stuff in /home/streusel/streusel/ in to /home/streusel/ ? |
| 19:11.16 | ompaul | Streusel: ok do this mkdir /home/TEMP ; mv /home/streusel/streusel /home/TEMP |
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| 19:11.19 | Streusel | that would also be a good idea. if that works |
| 19:11.31 | ompaul | Streusel: then merge using rsync |
| 19:11.42 | phogg | Streusel: a good GUI file manager can do a recursive merge safely, prompting you for each conflict |
| 19:11.46 | cami1000 | babilen: thank you, but i want to go straight to my objective : debian + nginx + node.js |
| 19:11.53 | cami1000 | firefox is not so important. |
| 19:12.00 | babilen | okay |
| 19:12.02 | albru123 | Hi there, just quickly how to mount mount non-chroot directory in schroot? |
| 19:12.09 | phogg | Streusel: Konqueror, for example, can do this. I don't know whether other Linux file managers can. Rsync is a good option, but run it in simulate mode FIRST to make sure it doesn't do anything wrong. |
| 19:12.18 | ompaul | phogg: and cal lurch to its death if there is too much stuff and not enough ram :-( |
| 19:12.21 | babilen | judd: v nodejs |
| 19:12.22 | judd | Package: nodejs on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.26~dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-1; sid: 0.10.29~dfsg-1 |
| 19:12.24 | ompaul | s/cal/can |
| 19:12.28 | Streusel | alright, thanks! |
| 19:12.41 | babilen | cami1000: ^^^ you have to install nodejs from <wheezy-backports> -- /msg dpkg wheezy-backports |
| 19:12.48 | phogg | ompaul: true but there would have to be a LOT of stuff |
| 19:13.23 | babilen | cami1000: (and the binary is rightfully called nodejs) |
| 19:13.29 | babilen | file bin/nodejs |
| 19:13.30 | ompaul | phogg: still mv to /home/TEMP/. and rsync for latest versions is a better idea with user logged out |
| 19:13.55 | ompaul | keeping /home/TEMP for a couple of months in case something crazy happened |
| 19:13.55 | cami1000 | babilen: thank you |
| 19:14.04 | phogg | ompaul: sure |
| 19:14.33 | babilen | cami1000: A suitable sources.list (that automatigically picks the best server) would be http://paste.debian.net/105884/ |
| 19:14.56 | babilen | cami1000: Run "apt-get update" and the install nodejs with "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install nodejs" |
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| 19:27.00 | cami1000 | babilen: should i leave my old entries ? http://paste.debian.net/105888/ |
| 19:28.25 | mark06 | how do I tell quilt where to find the top dir? |
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| 19:32.41 | cipher___ | is it possible for ssh to have bandwidth / data caps, because it seems the heavier I tax it the quicker the connection fails? |
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| 19:34.14 | babilen | cami1000: There isn't really the need to keep both, no |
| 19:35.01 | babilen | cami1000: I mean it is perfectly fine to use ftp.uk.debian.org and just wanted to give you a complete example |
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| 19:37.37 | LordDeath | does debian store the default rules for logrotate somewhere? |
| 19:38.08 | Mike9863 | I recently upgraded to sid and now the Keyboard Shortcuts that are set in GNOME's Keyboard Settings only work if I'm using GNOME Shell. Does anyone know how to get these shortcuts to work again without GNOME Shell? |
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| 19:40.43 | jmcnaught | LordDeath: /etc/logrotate.conf and /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 19:41.31 | RoyK | Streusel: eh |
| 19:41.33 | RoyK | foo/foo/bar/foobar |
| 19:41.44 | RoyK | oops - a little late |
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| 19:42.50 | LordDeath | jmcnaught: I have only the logrotate.d in /etc |
| 19:43.00 | LordDeath | but no logrotate.conf |
| 19:43.20 | LordDeath | wait |
| 19:43.22 | LordDeath | found it |
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| 19:44.00 | monod | Hello! |
| 19:44.09 | RoyK | evening |
| 19:44.16 | monod | How to uninstall KDE from Debian? I've installed it with these two commands: |
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| 19:44.59 | monod | 1) aptitude --without-recommends install ~t^standard$ ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$ |
| 19:45.06 | monod | 2) aptitude install kde-standard |
| 19:45.18 | monod | I also installed tasksel at that time, I think |
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| 19:49.33 | Noobiewooba | Help! Is this the right place to ask noob questions about installing GUI applications on a Debian Wheezy server at a webhost? |
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| 19:50.28 | rryoumaa | Noobiewooba: i would think so |
| 19:51.28 | tapout | is it the TERM=xterm that ends up printing : âââ async@0.2.10 ... instead of the real characters? Should I change my term to get it to print properly? |
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| 19:54.44 | Noobiewooba | Cool, My emergency situation is this: I'm trying to install Whonix on a bare Wheezy cloudhost server; and that required Virtualbox to be installed... All done from the command line, but now I have no idea how to get to a Gui to Use any of it; I'm still in Putty. Do I need to install a desktop like Gnome too? |
| 19:56.53 | jmcnaught | Noobiewooba: a web server shouldn't need a GUI. Not sure what Whonix is, is it in the Debian repositories? |
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| 19:59.23 | Noobiewooba | jmcnaught: No, Whonix is a linux build that keep you on TOR, kinda like Tails. You'd only use it on a server to install a tor hidden services site. |
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| 20:00.08 | jmcnaught | Noobiewooba: only Debian itself is supported in this channel, not stuff that's based on Debian |
| 20:00.27 | Noobiewooba | Whonix must be run on Debian. |
| 20:00.27 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Noobiewooba about based on |
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| 20:01.17 | babilen | dpkg: whonix |
| 20:01.17 | dpkg | Whonix is a Linux distribution based on Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. http://whonix.org/ #whonix on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:01.21 | babilen | Noobiewooba: ^^^ |
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| 20:01.35 | babilen | (or install and use Debian if you want support here) |
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| 20:04.46 | mo1991 | Noobiewooba - also there is a whonix irc channel - you can find all of the info on the whonix page - search "whonix" on google |
| 20:06.32 | haze_ | Hi there, just got my seedbox up and running with debian, I'm new to linux systems and need some help with Transmission auto startup, I cant figure out how to get deiban to start Transmission before login screen. The trouble is that when I'm done setting it up, the monitor, keyboard and mouse won't be connected |
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| 20:08.05 | babilen | haze_: The best way would probably be to use transmission-daemon and not the GUI |
| 20:08.32 | babilen | judd: info transmission-daemon |
| 20:08.34 | judd | Package transmission-daemon (net, optional) in wheezy/i386: lightweight BitTorrent client (daemon). Version: 2.52-3+nmu1; Size: 242.0k; Installed: 577k; Homepage: http://www.transmissionbt.com/ |
| 20:08.56 | babilen | haze_: Install that and read /usr/share/doc/transmission-daemon/README* |
| 20:09.10 | babilen | (might be in -common) |
| 20:10.31 | haze_ | okay i'll try looking at that, I have another quick question, is it normal that when im logged in as "user" not "root" that sudo is'nt available ? |
| 20:11.35 | haze_ | it tells me "user is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported" |
| 20:11.52 | babilen | haze_: Did you install and configure sudo? |
| 20:12.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell haze_ about sudoers |
| 20:13.17 | jhutchins | haze_: ... and yes, that's normal. |
| 20:13.23 | babilen | haze_: Debian doesn't necessarily install sudo by default. If you want to use it you have to install it yourself and configure it. You probably simply want to add yourself to the "sudo" group as mentioned in the factoid our bot just sent you |
| 20:13.38 | RoyK | is there a debian *server* channel? |
| 20:13.43 | babilen | no |
| 20:13.44 | Streusel | Is it possible to group files into categories with the file command? |
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| 20:14.14 | RoyK | Streusel: pipe it into a small perl script <( |
| 20:14.16 | RoyK | Streusel: pipe it into a small perl script :) |
| 20:14.21 | Streusel | lul |
| 20:14.27 | formorer | what means grouping? |
| 20:14.30 | babilen | little ugly ladies? |
| 20:14.40 | babilen | Streusel: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 20:14.49 | Streusel | by grouping just by something I assume, maybe by mime-type? |
| 20:14.56 | Streusel | grouping into categories |
| 20:15.00 | haze_ | babilen Probably just need to configure it then, when I'm in as root it works.. |
| 20:15.09 | haze_ | jhutchins thank you |
| 20:15.19 | babilen | haze_: Yeah, just add your user to the sudo group and relogin and it should work as expected |
| 20:15.25 | RoyK | Streusel: use a {perl,python,something} script |
| 20:15.36 | babilen | Oh, no thanks for me? |
| 20:15.41 | babilen | *sob* |
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| 20:16.03 | haze_ | babilen okay, now I just need to read about it a bit so I know where the files i need to edit is located :) |
| 20:16.07 | haze_ | Still a new hehe :) |
| 20:16.47 | haze_ | newb* |
| 20:16.59 | babilen | haze_: You should *always* edit your sudoers with "visudo", but please read the message our bot sent you as that contains the command you would use to add your user to the "sudo" group. (namely adduser FOO sudo) |
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| 20:17.28 | jhutchins | haze_: We all had to start somewhere. |
| 20:17.29 | babilen | You don't have to edit the sudoers file yourself in that case as the sudo group has already been configured |
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| 20:17.57 | babilen | haze_: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ might be something you would want to read in due course |
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| 20:21.46 | haze_ | thank you, can see I can download the ebook, perfect reading when on the go with the tablet to then :) I have actually searched for something like that, I have installed seedbox with debian and got 2 laptops with new installed deb mint to |
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| 20:22.26 | Canadian1296 | Hey guys, I have a debian server configured as a VPN client, and it kills any remote connections (can't ssh in from remote). How do I allow remote connections, but force connections originating at the server through VPN? |
| 20:23.05 | UploadDownload | Canadian1296: Change the gateway IP of the VPN adapter |
| 20:23.06 | UploadDownload | Just remove it |
| 20:23.08 | haze_ | babilen I don't think I can see the bots message it send, is it visible when i have hidden join/quits ? |
| 20:23.13 | babilen | haze_: We do not support mint in here though |
| 20:23.32 | babilen | haze_: Depends on your client, might have opened another window or tab |
| 20:23.36 | babilen | dpkg: sudoers |
| 20:23.36 | dpkg | From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information. |
| 20:23.42 | babilen | haze_: ^^^ that's it |
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| 20:24.29 | haze_ | babilen dooh I see it :) |
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| 20:24.44 | babilen | \o/ |
| 20:25.30 | Canadian1296 | UploadDownload: Using OpenVPN, it's a headless server. How do I do that? |
| 20:25.36 | haze_ | I know you don't support mint, just thought it was worth mentioning that I use debian editions on all other pc's I've got so the ebook is very good thing for me as new in the field. |
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| 20:38.31 | Canadian1296 | Did some searching, and found what I needed. Thanks UploadDownload :) |
| 20:39.21 | jhutchins | Bot messages should not be hidden with part/join/status messages, but they may appear in another tab or window if sent privately. |
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| 20:45.15 | haze_ | jhutchins I noticed afterward that it did open up another tab in xchat.. I'm just not so used to this yet :) |
| 20:45.52 | aarcane | With the impending debian 8.0 freeze, has anybody got any predictions as to when debian 8.0 will actually be released? |
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| 20:49.50 | centrx | aarcane, Probably around 6-8 months after the freeze |
| 20:50.11 | aarcane | So nigh on a year from now |
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| 20:53.22 | babilen | dpkg: jessie pool 1 |
| 20:53.22 | dpkg | ! jellÿ=2016-01-01 gsimmons=2015-08-27 peterrooney=2014-11-11 babīlen=2015-05-23 themíll=2015-06-23 abrötman=2015-07-23 |
| 20:53.37 | zh1 | does gnome have any keyboard shortcut terminal to open terminal on debian? |
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| 20:53.46 | zh1 | ups |
| 20:53.57 | zh1 | does gnome have any keyboard shortcut to open terminal on debian? |
| 20:53.59 | babilen | aarcane: ^^^ our bets |
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| 20:56.03 | aarcane | babilen, is that final release bets? what's the margin of error on those to win? whose bet how much? |
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| 20:57.35 | [Kid] | anyone used pho_dblib to connect to MS SQL database? |
| 20:58.03 | babilen | aarcane: There is no money involved at all |
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| 21:06.04 | mark06 | is there an easy way to add multiple files to quilt? |
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| 21:06.38 | formorer | quilt add file1 file2 ? |
| 21:07.48 | mark06 | by multiple I mean *many*, that would be insane |
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| 21:08.03 | formorer | why? |
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| 21:08.24 | mark06 | I can make a diff... there isn't a way to directly add that diff instead? |
| 21:08.31 | formorer | quilt import |
| 21:08.53 | mark06 | the reason is http://pidgin.renatosilva.me |
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| 21:10.02 | mark06 | it's not one or two patches, that's why... and creating a brand new deb from scratch is undesirable... I'll lose all the advantage of merging upstream and debian changes, I think |
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| 21:24.44 | LordDeath | roundcube recognized a "." in the imap folder names as a new subfolder :( |
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| 21:25.21 | LordDeath | in dovecot's 10-mail.conf I have "seperator = /" |
| 21:25.33 | LordDeath | and "mail_location = maildir:/var/vmail/%d/%n/Maildir:LAYOUT=fs" |
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| 21:26.05 | LordDeath | In Thunderbird the subfolders are looking fine but how can I fix this in roundcube? |
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| 21:30.06 | LordDeath | found it :) |
| 21:30.16 | LordDeath | $rcmail_config['imap_delimiter'] = '/'; |
| 21:30.35 | LordDeath | luckily the main.inc.php from roundcube is well commented |
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| 21:34.11 | ByT3b0N3 | hey guys, have installed gimp 2.8 from ppa on 12.04 but getting "segmentation fault" (nothing else). could one help? |
| 21:34.26 | ByT3b0N3 | no working solution in internet |
| 21:34.46 | zykotick9 | ByT3b0N3: #ubuntu is over there -> |
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| 21:35.18 | ByT3b0N3 | ok thx |
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| 21:39.07 | teraflop | heh |
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| 21:45.09 | skribblezatcha | ByT3b0N3: did you install it using the ppa? |
| 21:45.16 | ByT3b0N3 | yes |
| 21:45.22 | ByT3b0N3 | otto-kesselgulasch |
| 21:45.43 | skribblezatcha | http://gimpforums.com/thread-gimp-2-8-2-chrashing-on-ubuntu-12-04 check this out ByT3b0N3. |
| 21:46.29 | ByT3b0N3 | read it already |
| 21:46.40 | ByT3b0N3 | solution was to compile :D |
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| 21:47.26 | skribblezatcha | ok, or you may be able to remove it and install the GIMP that is in the repo. that way you know that all depends are being met. |
| 21:47.28 | skribblezatcha | brb. |
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| 21:53.11 | ByT3b0N3 | on the way to compile |
| 21:53.15 | ByT3b0N3 | i need 2.8 |
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| 21:54.17 | ByT3b0N3 | because i loose my nerves with these loose windeows |
| 21:55.05 | ByT3b0N3 | community support for ubuntu is better on debian channel xD |
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| 21:56.00 | microcluster_ | hi |
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| 22:04.58 | ByT3b0N3 | any idea where to get babl 0.1.10 on 12.04? |
| 22:05.04 | ByT3b0N3 | libbabl |
| 22:06.13 | ByT3b0N3 | no matter |
| 22:06.15 | ByT3b0N3 | f** it |
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| 22:10.35 | mark06 | is there any deb helper which works like a vcs? |
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| 22:11.20 | mark06 | I want it to "know" current state, then copy many many source and binary modified files and I want it to calculate the patch for me... |
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| 22:19.39 | jmcnaught | ByT3b0N3: gimp 2.8.2 is in Debian Wheezy |
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| 22:20.11 | ByT3b0N3 | i'm trying on ubuntu 12.04 |
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| 22:20.34 | jmcnaught | ByT3b0N3: this channel is for Debian support |
| 22:22.10 | mark06 | how do I add a binary file in quilt? |
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| 22:23.07 | ByT3b0N3 | jmcnaught: ok, but got more help as on ubuntu |
| 22:23.25 | dob1 | hi, i installed oracle jdk using java-package now i would like to install libreoffice but libreoffice package want to install openjdk-jre, why? |
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| 22:25.56 | dob1 | the oracle-jdk1.7 packages provides Provides: j2re1.7, j2sdk1.7, java-browser-plugin, java-compiler, java-runtime, java-runtime-headless, java-sdk, java-virtual-machine, java2-compiler, java2-runtime, java2-runtime-headless, java2-sdk |
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| 22:26.58 | jmcnaught | dob1: you can check what the libreoffice package needs with "apt-cache depends libreoffice", it looks like the package works with any of the non-oracle java packages |
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| 22:27.30 | jmcnaught | mark06: i'm not an expert, but i don't think quilt works with binaries. it's for working with patches for text files |
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| 22:29.12 | dob1 | jmcnaught, it seems related to old sun jdk/jre not oracle |
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| 22:30.04 | abrotman | dob1: look at the depends .. it probably wants a virtual package |
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| 22:32.48 | dob1 | abrotman, libreoffice-java-common but it's not a virtual package |
| 22:34.01 | mark06 | jmcnaught: and what's the alternative? I'm adding the binaries anyway... seems to be working |
| 22:34.12 | jmcnaught | dob1: it looks like java-package builds .deb files from tarballs, meaning that those debs aren't in the repository to begin with. That is why libreoffice cannot depend on them, and wants to bring something else in |
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| 22:35.42 | dob1 | jmcnaught, so sorry what is the meaning of the "provides" of a package ? i was thinking that during the installation this was considered |
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| 22:36.41 | abrotman | dob1: that clearly depends on something else |
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| 22:39.33 | dob1 | can i use update-alternative after libreoffice installation to make oracle jdk as default? |
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| 22:40.00 | jmcnaught | dob1: "Provides" means that the package satifies the dependency for a virtual package. A virtual package is for example "java-runtime". Another package can depend on "java-runtime" virtual package, and the user can use and package that "provides" java-runtime |
| 22:40.48 | jmcnaught | dob1: you could try. i don't know how well the oracle jdk plays with the alternatives system |
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| 22:45.27 | doebi | hmm how long would the installation of debian 7 on a hp micorserver take? its taking quite long now. :/ |
| 22:45.51 | abrotman | that's so vague |
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| 22:46.12 | must | hello |
| 22:46.46 | must | i formatted an encrypted ssd drive and now i cant see it when trying to install an os... what can i do? |
| 22:47.16 | abrotman | does it show up in dmesg? |
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| 22:49.01 | must | abrotman: how can i know? dmesg is long |
| 22:49.18 | abrotman | grep for something useful? |
| 22:49.29 | must | abrotman: im booting from a usb drive |
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| 22:50.55 | frostschutz | must, cat /proc/partitions? put your dmesg in a pastebin? how did you encrypt/format it? |
| 22:51.58 | kingsley | must: I humbly suggest 1.) Reboot, press the key(s) to access the BIOS's GUI, and check if the BIOS sees the encrypted SSD. 2.) Search Google's indices for something like ... formatted encrypted install |
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| 22:52.52 | must | frostschutz: this is what i get major minor #blocks name 7 0 679848 loop0 8 16 2011136 sdb 8 17 711680 sdb1 |
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| 22:53.15 | must | i dont see an sda which should be my ssd right? |
| 22:55.09 | must | frostschutz: sdb seems like the live usb from which im running |
| 22:55.20 | abrotman | must: I'm not sure how that's relevant .. "dmesg | grep sd" ? |
| 22:56.28 | must | abrotman: it says major minor #blocks name 7 0 679848 loop0 8 16 2011136 sdb 8 17 711680 sdb1 |
| 22:56.30 | must | sorry |
| 22:56.37 | must | abrotman: READ CAPACITY failed |
| 22:56.49 | must | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.55 | thingamabob | hi, does anyone have a idea way i can't connect with nautilus to webdav (no ssl) but with windows it's works. tried it from 2 debian clients |
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| 22:58.07 | kingsley | thingamabob: What does Nautilus do instead of connect? Do you get an error message? |
| 22:58.07 | thingamabob | get the error: "no a webdav enabled share" |
| 22:58.44 | thingamabob | yes kingkong |
| 22:58.50 | thingamabob | sorry kingsley |
| 22:58.57 | thingamabob | :) |
| 22:59.50 | kingsley | thingamabob: Like you're the first person to make that mistake. ;-) Have you searched Google's indices for ... "no a webdav enabled share" nautilus |
| 22:59.51 | kingsley | ? |
| 23:00.29 | must | anyone? |
| 23:00.43 | kingsley | must: I humbly suggest 1.) Reboot, press the key(s) to access the BIOS's GUI, and check if the BIOS sees the encrypted SSD. 2.) Search Google's indices for something like ... formatted encrypted install |
| 23:00.50 | thingamabob | kingsley, yes, but i didn't find a real answer |
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| 23:01.34 | kingsley | thingamabob: Please elaborate on what you found, and what you expect a real answer would look like. |
| 23:01.58 | must | kingsley: ok i will. thank you |
| 23:02.18 | kingsley | must: You're welcome. |
| 23:03.04 | jmcnaught | must: was that line the only output of the command that was suggested? Try putting the full results of "dmesg | grep sd" on http://paste.debian.net. Another command you might want to include in the paste is "lsblk". You could also tell us how the drive was encrypted and formatted in the first place |
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| 23:04.27 | kingsley | thingamabob: For what it's worth, when I searched Google's indices for ... webdav nautilus |
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| 23:05.08 | smrtz|nix | So if I'm using the sudo command in a bash script, and then call the script in Upstart.conf. I've ran chmod u+x on the bash script. Is there anything else I need to do? |
| 23:06.40 | kingsley | thingamabob: and read webdav's page on Wikipedia, I see that Nautilus evidently accesses "WebDAV through GNOME Virtual File System (GVFS)". So I find myself wondering if your computer is configured to have the GNOME Virtual File System (GVFS). |
| 23:06.44 | Yoshi1 | what was in this mornings update that it is actually asking me to reboot |
| 23:06.47 | Yoshi1 | it's never done that |
| 23:07.24 | kingsley | needs to go soon... |
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| 23:11.33 | thingamabob | kingkong, |
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| 23:11.49 | kingkong | ? |
| 23:12.12 | thingamabob | oh sorry |
| 23:12.15 | thingamabob | :) |
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| 23:14.07 | thingamabob | kingsley, thank you, i found on google just old and very different "solutions". i have gvfs installed but don't know nothing about the configureshen |
| 23:14.12 | thingamabob | sorry |
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| 23:15.57 | thingamabob | live is very difficult :) |
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| 23:19.03 | bob__ | What would happen if I installed Gnome Desktop (tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install) on a Debian Wheezy webhost? |
| 23:19.43 | doebi | bob__: it will blow up |
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| 23:21.18 | abrotman | bob__: nothing .. you'll install gnome |
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| 23:23.41 | fluffywolf | I did a few upgrades last night, and things broke... yay! "rrdtool: /usr/lib/libz.so.1: version `ZLIB_1.2.3.3' not found (required by /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxml2.so.2) |
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| 23:24.19 | fluffywolf | however, I have /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3.3 |
| 23:24.48 | fluffywolf | and /usr/lib/libz.so.1 -> libz.so.1.2.3.3 |
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| 23:25.48 | ramers11 | iam not pirate is so difficult to understand many |
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| 23:27.00 | fluffywolf | any ideas why this is now broken? |
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| 23:28.53 | Nik05 | fluffywolf stable? |
| 23:28.59 | fluffywolf | mostly |
| 23:29.12 | Nik05 | what do you mean with mostly? |
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| 23:30.34 | fluffywolf | this box has everything from ~2004 through sid... but the few things I upgraded last night were stable. |
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| 23:30.55 | anarchi | Hi, I have an IceWeasel question, is this the correct channel? |
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| 23:31.23 | anarchi | I just want it to use a different directory than my firefox installation |
| 23:31.34 | anarchi | ~/.iceweasel or whatever |
| 23:32.32 | fluffywolf | hrmm, found a couple bugs on the topic... looks like a missing breaks. |
| 23:33.37 | mtn | anarchi, it is going to use .mozilla, because it is really firefox with a different name |
| 23:33.59 | anarchi | nothing i can do? i was using icecat, and it used it's own dir |
| 23:34.07 | anarchi | but i guess it's discontinued |
| 23:34.21 | fluffywolf | nevermind, fixed it... because of a few missing breaks and dependencies, it didn't upgrade zlib1g, even though a newer version is required. manually upgrading fixed it. |
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| 23:35.53 | ging | can anyone tell me the word for the ports less than 1024 which only root can use? |
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| 23:36.40 | fluffywolf | privledged |
| 23:37.56 | ging | thanks |
| 23:39.33 | anarchi | i'm trying to keep firefox and iceweasel separate so I can use one for tor, etc |
| 23:40.33 | fluffywolf | you should be able to create profiles in either one, I think... |
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| 23:41.08 | fluffywolf | personally, I'm tempted to switch back to firefox 3.*... the new versions are utter shit. |
| 23:41.50 | Nik05 | anarchi check firefoxs manual probably something where you can change which profile is started or use a complete different directory to store stuff |
| 23:42.00 | anarchi | yeah i can do the profile thing' |
| 23:42.25 | anarchi | i was just trying to avoid needing the command-line to launch it, i have to find a way to edit menu enteries in cinnamon |
| 23:42.31 | abrotman | fluffywolf: perhaps try a different browser ? |
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| 23:43.06 | fluffywolf | abrotman: dillo is too under-featured. |
| 23:43.20 | abrotman | fluffywolf: No offense, but you're clueless .. have a good day |
| 23:44.59 | fluffywolf | I'm clueless? you're right, it's my lack of a clue that causes firefox to fucking grow to a gig of memory usage every night, randomly crash (especially when trying to load wikipedia's main page, one of the most used pages on the internet), keep fucking up the UI, and be so fucking slow that every time I try to type into a text box, I long for the days of accessing my bbs over a 2400 baud modem... |
| 23:46.03 | mactimes | Hey there. I'm writing some guidelines for people interested in installing Debian on a VPS via netboot. I'd like to add some screenshots from www.debian.org page on the article, with step-by-step information on how to get to the netboot files. Do I have to request any sort of permission to use those screenshots from the page? |
| 23:46.54 | fluffywolf | should I make a list? I can probably list fifty reasons firefox fucking sucks lately. |
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| 23:48.34 | fluffywolf | how about the constant cpu usage? it's at 37% right now, doing nothing. the leaks are so bad I keep an xterm with top running all the time, so I can check it easily. |
| 23:48.38 | themill | fluffywolf: who mentioned dillo? |
| 23:49.13 | fluffywolf | I did. I love dillo. it just doesn't have enough features for me to use it in place of firefox. |
| 23:49.52 | themill | there are other browsers |
| 23:50.23 | fluffywolf | there are, but they all seem to be webkit based, and even worse than firefox. |
| 23:50.37 | themill | *sigh* |
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| 23:52.41 | fluffywolf | what is a browser that isn't? |
| 23:52.52 | fluffywolf | I would _love_ to find a browser that doesn't suck. |
| 23:52.54 | GuidovanPossum | well I can say one good thing for firefox, the memory usage was so much that I had to switch from running OSX to debian on the same machine |
| 23:53.10 | GuidovanPossum | how about midori have you tried it just curious? |
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| 23:54.06 | fluffywolf | I haven't tried it, but I don't see why it wouldn't suck as badly as every other webkit browser. |
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| 23:54.36 | GuidovanPossum | on a fresh OSX startup I had 3.4GB of 4GB used, now with wheezy I have only 0.4GB of 4GB used so I have plenty of room for Iceweasel |
| 23:54.45 | fluffywolf | lol |
| 23:55.40 | GuidovanPossum | and I'm not really recommending midori, just wondering I used it a occasionally for about a month |
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| 23:59.35 | fluffywolf | waits for abrotman to have useful input |