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| 00:01.48 | abrotman | fluffywolf: I'm waiting for you to do anything useful, ever ... |
| 00:01.57 | fluffywolf | lol |
| 00:02.32 | fluffywolf | nothing like personal attacks to finish a debate! |
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| 00:03.00 | jmcnaught | fluffywolf: konqueror is not webkit based (but it can be be with kpart-webkit). Also if you're having that much trouble with Iceweasel RAM and CPU usage, a rogue add-on is most likely the culprit |
| 00:03.32 | abrotman | fluffywolf: you started it? |
| 00:03.34 | fluffywolf | jmcnaught: I've tried it with no addons. it simply leaks. |
| 00:03.58 | abrotman | it's practically a troll .. |
| 00:04.12 | fluffywolf | it's always leaked, but newer versions seem worse. |
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| 00:05.04 | jmcnaught | fluffywolf: in my experience that hasn't been true for several years. It's true that it uses a lot of RAM, but it doesn't keep using more and more unless there's a bad extension (ad-block plus is a resource hog for example) |
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| 00:06.29 | fluffywolf | jmcnaught: googling finds lots of people with similar problems... https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/998289 from last month, for example... |
| 00:06.52 | abrotman | Flash generally contributes to things leaking |
| 00:07.10 | fluffywolf | note that with only 1GB of ram, I can't let it grow as large as that person did... I have to kill it when my box starts swapping. (and it often does take killing it, because trying to exit just gets stuck in a loop about unresponsive scripts) |
| 00:07.15 | fluffywolf | I don't have flash. |
| 00:07.21 | abrotman | of any sort? |
| 00:07.28 | fluffywolf | correct. |
| 00:07.33 | abrotman | not gnash or lightspark? |
| 00:07.47 | fluffywolf | I tried gnash a while ago, but its inability to render anything other than advertisements resulted in its prompt removal. |
| 00:07.59 | abrotman | wonders what else flash is for? |
| 00:08.26 | fluffywolf | someone else was using my laptop and wanted to watch youtube. heh. now youtube has html5, and works without flash. |
| 00:09.13 | fluffywolf | (and, no, I don't tend to use youtube, so it's not related to the memory usage) |
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| 00:25.24 | GuidovanPossum | I always wondered if the amount of tabs in the window made a difference, I used to try to get rid of some once it got much over 100 |
| 00:26.11 | fluffywolf | 100? ouch. lol |
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| 00:30.17 | fluffywolf | bbl, time for work. |
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| 00:44.57 | oxez | hello. I'm trying to install 7.5 from a netinst dvd, and at the step of partitionning my drives, I get this "No EFI partition was found". I don't remember having to do that before.. if I just ignore the message then grub doesn't seem to get installed, what do I do? |
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| 00:54.44 | ramers11 | usa is looser . |
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| 01:34.56 | LoveAndHappiness | test |
| 01:34.59 | LoveAndHappiness | hi guys |
| 01:35.08 | LoveAndHappiness | I try to login into the linux channel, but it says: |
| 01:35.33 | LoveAndHappiness | ##linux cannot send to channel |
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| 01:35.39 | LoveAndHappiness | anyone here able to read me? |
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| 01:36.59 | vak0160 | ChanServ [ChanServ@services.]: [##linux] Welcome to ##Linux! Can't speak? Please see http://www.linuxassist.net/how-to-connect/ on how to register or identify your nick. By joining this channel you agree to abide by the channel rules and guidelines stated on the official ##Linux website http://www.linuxassist.net/channel-rules/ |
| 01:37.01 | LoveAndHappiness | can someone help me setting up zorin? |
| 01:37.50 | LoveAndHappiness | thx |
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| 01:38.44 | LoveAndHappiness | test |
| 01:39.43 | abrotman | LoveAndHappiness: perhaps ask #freenode, we can't help you |
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| 01:39.53 | LoveAndHappiness | ok |
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| 01:42.20 | jeep | LoveAndHappiness: register a name to talk on #linux |
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| 01:42.34 | LoveAndHappiness | I just registered my name |
| 01:42.52 | jeep | logout identify then join |
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| 02:09.50 | tubaman | anyone know what's going on with flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 02:09.54 | tubaman | http://dpaste.com/1XQJBK3 |
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| 02:10.47 | Mittens2001 | pls giv tutorial on how 2 debian |
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| 02:11.41 | fluffywolf | Mittens2001: https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 02:11.41 | themill | tubaman: adobe reorganised their site -- I think a fix is in progress for the package |
| 02:12.01 | Mittens2001 | fluffywolf, |
| 02:12.06 | Mittens2001 | how stable is unstable |
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| 02:12.12 | fluffywolf | UN. |
| 02:12.12 | Mittens2001 | will encounter any problems |
| 02:12.15 | fluffywolf | yes. |
| 02:12.20 | Mittens2001 | ;; |
| 02:12.27 | Mittens2001 | serious problems? |
| 02:12.50 | Mittens2001 | debian unstable is hardly that bleeding edge though |
| 02:12.59 | Mr_Queue | lol |
| 02:13.03 | Mittens2001 | isnt fedora further along package wise? |
| 02:13.03 | themill | it's not even installable on any given day |
| 02:13.04 | fluffywolf | if you need newer software, but don't want to deal with unstable (your system, or at least a program you use, may randomly break with any upgrades, or not work at all), try Testing. |
| 02:13.31 | Mittens2001 | but testing is still very old |
| 02:13.50 | Mittens2001 | maybe ill just try fedora |
| 02:13.56 | themill | have fun! |
| 02:13.56 | abrotman | good plan |
| 02:14.02 | fluffywolf | you do that. |
| 02:14.03 | dvs | yup |
| 02:14.06 | Mr_Queue | So is 'ls' but I don't see anyone crying about it. |
| 02:14.19 | Mittens2001 | what |
| 02:14.27 | Mittens2001 | ive heard bad things about fedora but |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | Mittens2001: Good luck with Fedora .. have a nice day |
| 02:14.32 | Mittens2001 | what's so terrible about it |
| 02:14.34 | themill | .o0( obvious troll is obvious ) |
| 02:14.46 | Mr_Queue | Mittens2001: Don't forget your toothbrush. |
| 02:15.00 | Mittens2001 | lyl |
| 02:15.02 | Mr_Queue | abrotman: Been a minute... Up to anything fun lately? |
| 02:15.07 | Mittens2001 | so angry about fedora |
| 02:15.12 | Mr_Queue | tell them |
| 02:15.13 | Mittens2001 | please address whats wrong with it |
| 02:15.49 | abrotman | Mittens2001: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 02:15.52 | abrotman | Mr_Queue: hi |
| 02:15.55 | themill | Mittens2001: this is #debian. We talk about debian here. |
| 02:16.04 | Mr_Queue | (usually) |
| 02:16.44 | Mittens2001 | im not trying to stir up anything about fedora |
| 02:16.56 | abrotman | Mittens2001: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 02:16.58 | Mittens2001 | i would use debian if i understood what is wrong with it |
| 02:17.00 | Mittens2001 | so pls |
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| 02:17.12 | Mr_Queue | BOOM baby. |
| 02:17.16 | SirLagz | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:17.42 | Mr_Queue | I don't know what's worse these days.... This channel or the user mailing list.. |
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| 02:18.36 | Mr_Queue | I personally would have liked how all this went down about a decade ago... |
| 02:18.57 | Mr_Queue | Gloves off, welcome to Debian... |
| 02:20.50 | shingouz | occasionally it was ... entertaining (for the lack of a better expression) |
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| 02:23.23 | tubaman | themill: thx |
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| 02:24.29 | wbk | hi guys |
| 02:24.34 | SirLagz | hi |
| 02:24.38 | enriko | Alo |
| 02:24.42 | dvs | bah |
| 02:25.10 | wbk | do you know how does rsync makes comparison? calculates hash for each file every time of execution? |
| 02:25.54 | themill | wbk: see the "--checksum" option in rsync(1) |
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| 02:26.15 | Mr_Queue | There is that, also the -i option spits out some useful info. |
| 02:27.07 | Mr_Queue | There are several things it looks at. However, I've never tried to read the source.. |
| 02:27.28 | themill | the things it looks at are explained in the man page where I indicated ;) |
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| 02:28.08 | Mr_Queue | Yep |
| 02:28.20 | Mr_Queue | I meant orders and such.. |
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| 02:30.46 | enriko | What is love? More specifically: What do someone means when he/she says "I love Linux" ??? |
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| 02:31.09 | SirLagz | enriko: I want to have babies with my linux |
| 02:31.12 | Mr_Queue | That means they've never done anything. |
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| 02:34.23 | enriko | I had milk in my Linux... |
| 02:35.12 | enriko | Mr_Queue: So, experts in Linux (or people who have done a lot, with) hate Linux? |
| 02:35.13 | themill | enriko: wrong channel. Perhaps you wanted #defocus? |
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| 02:36.28 | enriko | themill: I'm going somewhere... Which at the end it will be directly related to Debian.... |
| 02:36.39 | abrotman | enriko: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 02:36.59 | fluffywolf | I suspect certain people here want you to go somewhere quicker. |
| 02:37.27 | themill | enriko: if you have a Debian support question, please just ask it. |
| 02:38.36 | SirLagz | themill, abrotman: out of curiosity, do you guys develop for Debian ? or just very expert users ? |
| 02:39.21 | themill | SirLagz: abrotman is a lazy bugger. I maintain a few packages and do QA bits and pieces |
| 02:39.30 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:39.49 | SirLagz | haha |
| 02:39.51 | abrotman | themill: well, my email address will soon be blocked .. so what's the point .. |
| 02:40.07 | themill | heh |
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| 02:42.59 | fluffywolf | how much of a time comittment is maintaining a package? I'm writing something that I may or may not ever get to a state where other people would want to use it, but if I do, it'd be nice to make it easy to install... |
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| 02:46.41 | jhambo | Is it just me or is flash broken in stable? |
| 02:46.56 | dvs | jhambo: just you... just kidding |
| 02:46.58 | abrotman | jhambo: it'll be fixed shortly .. |
| 02:47.24 | fluffywolf | if you mean the unfree plugin, someone mentioned earlier than adobe changed their website, and it needs updating. |
| 02:47.24 | jhambo | Ah cool. Well I'll stop fiddling with it then |
| 02:49.40 | jhambo | works fine in iceweasel! |
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| 02:57.40 | user11 | A Debian based server with LAMP installed, the system is intended to be used to host a Website which will be used by 1,000 - 50,000 users. This webpage requires a user to log-in first before a service is provided. When a user is authenticated, he/she can add/modify/delete comments and upload and manage pictures. What are the initial critical steps to secure the system? e.g., Enable magic quotes in PHP configuration file... |
| 03:00.11 | kryl0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.14 | SirLagz | user11: you'd be better off asking that question in #apache |
| 03:00.39 | user11 | I guess the question reduces to " What default configuration in Debian" should I be aware of? |
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| 03:01.08 | SirLagz | user11: doesn't really matter what the defaults are in Debian. If you need to secure Apache, then you secure Apache... |
| 03:01.32 | SirLagz | user11: I don't recall what the defaults are in Debian anyway, but they are somewhat sane from what I remember |
| 03:02.03 | user11 | SirLagz: I understand Apache is a big part of the security, but I'm sure is not the only concern... |
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| 03:03.02 | SirLagz | user11: well there's always the general don't allow root logins, only use ssh keys and no passwords |
| 03:03.16 | SirLagz | user11: make sure the apache user only has the minimum access required |
| 03:03.24 | user11 | I'm just curious to know what "best practices" you guys have for securing your system, specially when you have a fresh install... |
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| 03:03.46 | SirLagz | user11: I don't bother lol...but then again most of my stuff is for my own playbox. doesn't get exposed to the internet |
| 03:05.36 | user11 | SirLagz: Thanks |
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| 03:05.49 | SirLagz | user11: no probs, sorry I couldn't help more |
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| 03:08.01 | jpinx | not debian specific, but a quickie -- is there a way to echo a command being executed by a shell script without having a line for #: echo "copy commnd" ? |
| 03:09.07 | fluffywolf | you can put the command in a variable, and both echo and run it, if you just don't want to repeat it... other than that, dunno. |
| 03:09.12 | user11 | SirLagz: Np, I'm getting bits here and there. The guys at Apache let me know to be aware of XSS (which is very helpful), and you reminded me about group permissions, and not letting root access... So Thanks! |
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| 03:11.33 | themill | jpinx: add set -x to the script. the output is a bit messy though |
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| 03:12.22 | jpinx | themill: thanks - I'll try that |
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| 03:55.20 | ast3rismo | hi |
| 03:55.27 | ast3rismo | anyone? |
| 03:56.20 | Rusty1 | ast3rismo: if you need help, ask , if someone can help , they will |
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| 04:00.08 | AbuAbu | !аісщт |
| 04:00.12 | AbuAbu | !fbcon |
| 04:00.13 | dpkg | i guess fbcon is a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... ask me about <fbcon resolution>. |
| 04:00.31 | AbuAbu | !fbcon resolution |
| 04:00.31 | dpkg | fbcon resolution is probably run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 04:00.50 | jmcnaught | AbuAbu: you can use "/msg dpkg <key>" to do that in private :) |
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| 04:01.33 | AbuAbu | jmcnaught: thanks! |
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| 04:04.13 | ast3rismo | is there anyway to control wifi connections in TTY mode without login in graphical desktop??? |
| 04:04.53 | ast3rismo | i'm trying wicd-curses but it seems not to see networks if i do not login first... |
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| 04:07.46 | Rusty1 | ast3rismo: is it that you want the wifi connected without a local login, so you can, say, ssh into the computer? |
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| 04:14.46 | AbuAbu | I've tried add video=0x0376 (supported by my hw) to kernel options with no luck. Is it correct way on wheezy to get fb ? |
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| 04:24.53 | ast3rismo | Rusty1: i only wish i could manage wifi networks in a pc, without logging in a desktop like KDE.. but if i do not login, the wicd does not detect networks because i think something is not triggered, network-manager maybe |
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| 04:28.32 | Rusty1 | ast3rismo: it is entirely possible to manage wifi from the command line, without wicd - the relevant man pages include interfaces, iwconfig see https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 04:34.23 | themill | ast3rismo: network-manager and wicd running at the same time is not a good combination |
| 04:34.47 | YarpUser123 | themill, |
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| 04:35.44 | ast3rismo | themill: in fact i do not need to run wicd when i login and then hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 because KDE autoconnects the wifi, i tried using wicd-curses without logging in, but it did not worked, couldn't see any network |
| 04:36.23 | YarpUser123 | ast3rismo, can u tel me which version of libc u haz? |
| 04:36.29 | YarpUser123 | plzplz |
| 04:36.31 | YarpUser123 | :D |
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| 04:36.42 | themill | which suggests that network-manager is already managing the device so you should avoid wicd |
| 04:42.35 | ast3rismo | themill: is there a text based network administrator? or there all has to be with wpa-supplicant commands and ifconfig? |
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| 04:43.20 | themill | There's nmcli. Can't say I've ever bothered much with it though |
| 04:45.04 | ast3rismo | themill: will check it out, thanks |
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| 05:14.58 | Johnon | hi guys someone knows where can i set the time on wheezy xfce? |
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| 05:18.03 | themill | Johnon: installing the "ntp" package is normally the best plan |
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| 05:24.55 | Johnon | themill, thanks, I have installed it but still the time is wrong, before was 1 hour more,now 1 hour less |
| 05:25.24 | Johnon | do you know how to set the position? |
| 05:25.39 | themill | what does "date --utc" say? |
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| 05:28.19 | Johnon | Fri Jun 20 05:26:39 UTC 2014 I am on +1 +DST |
| 05:28.43 | themill | !date |
| 05:28.43 | dpkg | The current date is 2014.06.20 5:28:43 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 05:28.43 | Johnon | so it's 7:27 now |
| 05:28.55 | themill | so that UTC looks right. |
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| 05:29.19 | themill | do you dual boot with some other os? |
| 05:29.32 | Johnon | yes several |
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| 05:30.22 | themill | are they modern operating systems that use UTC (unixy) or are they crufty old things that use local time (windows) |
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| 05:30.51 | Johnon | i have windows ubuntu suse debian |
| 05:31.42 | Johnon | i don't know how the other are set about time but i guess just manual set |
| 05:31.47 | Johnon | usually i do so |
| 05:31.57 | themill | I assume windows is trying to set the hwclock to local time and then when you start up a different os, it interprets that as utc |
| 05:32.04 | rozie | but it can be configured if hwclock is utc or not |
| 05:32.14 | themill | !utc |
| 05:32.14 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems, set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock). For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs). For all systems, run «service hwclock.sh restart» to apply changes. See also <windows utc>. |
| 05:32.34 | themill | Johnon: ^^ so either configure all OSes to use local time or all to use utc as dpkg says |
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| 05:34.49 | SirLagz | or use NTP |
| 05:35.24 | jmcnaught | Johnon: unless i'm blind the UTC time you reported was the same as what dpkg reported. Do you have the right time zone set? |
| 05:35.25 | themill | SirLagz: that doesn't really solve the problem |
| 05:35.36 | SirLagz | themill: the problem of the wrong time ? |
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| 05:35.49 | Johnon | jmcnaught, i guess not |
| 05:35.55 | themill | SirLagz: you'll still have each operating system fighting over the bios clock |
| 05:36.09 | SirLagz | themill: oh right. is that what the issue is. sorry, must have missed something in my skim |
| 05:36.44 | themill | Johnon: so yeah, make sure each OS has the same idea about what the bios clock is stored in and make sure the tz is actually configured properly |
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| 05:38.53 | Johnon | i guess that time zone is ok because is +1 on GMT but DST is not set |
| 05:39.09 | Johnon | this means i am +2 from GMT |
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| 05:39.38 | Johnon | how to check my timezone please? |
| 05:39.44 | SirLagz | date |
| 05:40.11 | jmcnaught | Johnon: "cat /etc/timezone" or to update it "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" |
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| 05:40.48 | internat | gday all.. Any recommendations for a multithreaded copy utility? i have a lot of little files to copy, so the network and disk throughput i need isnt getting achieved due to having to start/stop constantly |
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| 05:41.35 | nurupo | just do `sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata` |
| 05:41.38 | Johnon | it's set on london |
| 05:41.56 | Johnon | that is +1 because of the dst |
| 05:42.12 | SirLagz | internat: rsync ? |
| 05:42.34 | Johnon | i must set on rome |
| 05:42.36 | nurupo | somehow my time on debian messes up, probably because it runs in a virtual box on a windows host and there are virtual box daemons installed that do some time synchronization between host and guest systems... |
| 05:42.49 | SirLagz | nurupo: I have the same issue haha |
| 05:42.56 | themill | Johnon: yeah, set it to Europe/Rome with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 05:43.03 | nurupo | have to run `dpkg-reconfigure tzdata` every time i change my time in guest debian |
| 05:44.35 | themill | nurupo: make sure that your virtualbox config and the guest agree as to whether the time is in UTC or not. vbox has a config option for "Hardware clock in UTC" |
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| 05:44.54 | internat | i dont velieve rsync can do multiple threads? |
| 05:45.04 | themill | nurupo: (and debian has a similar config option as dpkg mentioned earlier) |
| 05:45.33 | Johnon | it's perfect now, thanks guys |
| 05:45.39 | internat | or multiple streams might be the better way to descrive it |
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| 05:47.38 | SirLagz | internat: rsync uses at least 2 threads when I use it... |
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| 05:48.11 | internat | i dont think im explaining it right. lets try some copy program that can do concurrent copying. |
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| 05:48.24 | nurupo | thiagoss: found it. never noticed that option in virtualbox, huh |
| 05:48.31 | SirLagz | internat: you want to copy multiple files at once - in other words |
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| 05:48.41 | SirLagz | internat: simultaneous copying |
| 05:48.45 | internat | ^^ |
| 05:48.46 | internat | :) |
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| 05:49.09 | themill | internat: the very few times I've had a problem with that sort of thing, I've just started an extra rsync working on a different tree at the same time. (It's almost always disk or network that is the bottleneck, not rsync itself) |
| 05:49.16 | SirLagz | run cp multiple times ? lol |
| 05:49.26 | internat | yeah rsync multiple times is what im probably going to do |
| 05:49.26 | SirLagz | beaten |
| 05:49.37 | internat | i was just hoping there was a better way :) |
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| 05:51.27 | rryoumaa | there is a package that does that, but it is not a common one and i forgot its name |
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| 05:52.31 | nurupo | !windows utc |
| 05:52.31 | dpkg | Setting the BIOS clock to <UTC> is a little more difficult if you dual-boot with legacy operating systems that think that local time is a good choice. Windows can be instructed to handle a BIOS clock in UTC too: http://superuser.com/a/185780/130459 |
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| 05:53.00 | themill | nurupo: you don't need to do that for your guest -- that's just a debian + virtualbox thing |
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| 05:53.46 | nurupo | all windows systems are legacy systems, heh |
| 05:54.12 | nurupo | thiagoss: yeah, i know |
| 05:54.37 | themill | (windows will actually tell you that the last-modified time of a file is different when you change the tz... it's pretty broken) |
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| 06:06.40 | Johnon | let me ask this guys, I have a problem to get the same perfect display configuration of the webpages i get on windows and ubuntu, i want the same on debian. There's something missing but i guess it's not the browser fonts nor the system fonts, i have tried to change them in both iceweasel and chromium but it's not very good. Someone told me maybe it is something about non-free plugin that ubuntu has. Please give me an advise... maybe upgr |
| 06:06.40 | Johnon | ade something to backport.. i don't know |
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| 06:07.30 | hydra7 | I have made a decision of tracking testing(Jessie) but am I doing right? here's my sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/105931/ |
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| 06:29.00 | Walex | hydra7_: that decision of tracking the 'testing' archive is based on you being an experience Debian user and package expert... |
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| 06:29.33 | Walex | Johnon: our psychic advisors are all busy on other astral planes... |
| 06:30.02 | hydra7_ | Walex: o.O |
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| 06:31.12 | Johnon | Walex, XD |
| 06:32.08 | hydra7 | Walex: I am used to Debian but I ain't no package expert |
| 06:34.19 | Walex | hydra7: but then why track an archive that sometimes has package sets that are incomplete or otherwise broken in "interesting" ways? |
| 06:34.45 | Walex | hydra7: aren't backports good enough for you? |
| 06:35.12 | hydra7 | few things don't work out well |
| 06:35.50 | hydra7 | but I think it would be worth a shot |
| 06:37.08 | jmcnaught | Johnon: you might be of ttf-mscorefonts-installer? The description for that package has a NOTE recommending using the fonts-liberation package instead |
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| 06:42.03 | Johnon | jmcnaught, what package do you advice me to install? |
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| 06:43.21 | jmcnaught | Johnon: try fonts-liberation first. the other package downloads non-free fonts while it's being installed |
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| 06:48.37 | Johnon | jmcnaught, fonts-liberation was intalled yet. tt-mscorefonts-installer is not installed. do you think that installing the second will help for that issue? |
| 06:48.59 | Johnon | ttf* |
| 06:49.14 | jmcnaught | Johnon: it could, read the description to see if it's what you are looking for |
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| 06:50.48 | Johnon | jmcnaught, i wanna try it. do you think I must unistall font-liberation? |
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| 06:51.09 | Johnon | or it is ok to have them both |
| 06:51.13 | Johnon | ? |
| 06:51.55 | Johnon | if it will not improve my visualization i could always uninstall it |
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| 06:52.06 | jmcnaught | Johnon: i don't think you must. if you can't have both the apt front end you're using to install will notify you of a conflict and ask if you're sure you want to remove packages. whenever that happens read carefully before answering yes |
| 06:52.26 | Johnon | ok thanks |
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| 07:16.08 | ag4ve__ | is there a post or something that explains how update-alternatives works (from a user perspective) |
| 07:16.32 | Walex | ag4ve__: from a user perspective it is invisible. |
| 07:16.38 | ag4ve__ | ie, how does my random shell know to use what's in /etc/alternatives vs looking at $PATH first? |
| 07:16.56 | Walex | ag4ve__: from a user perspective it is invisible. |
| 07:17.04 | vak0160 | Walex: agreed |
| 07:17.23 | Walex | ag4ve__: also " use what's in /etc/alternatives vs looking |
| 07:17.23 | themill | ag4ve__: the shell is only looking at $PATH. Have a look at what /usr/bin/vi is for example |
| 07:17.56 | Walex | ag4ve__: also " use what's in /etc/alternatives vs looking at $PATH first" is one of the most convoluted thinkings I have seen. perhaps you ought to become a 'systemd' developer :-) |
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| 07:18.33 | ag4ve__ | haha |
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| 07:19.32 | Walex | ag4ve__: because you are imagining that there is a PATH of PATH variables perhaps, so instead of adding an extra directory to $PATH, one adds an extra path to the path of paths. :-) |
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| 07:20.50 | ag4ve__ | ok so if i tell it that i prioritize /bin/vi first and /usr/local/bin/vi second, where will the symlink go? |
| 07:21.13 | Walex | ag4ve__: "it" and "prioritize" are fuzzy concepts... |
| 07:21.26 | ag4ve__ | i guess wherever i tell it... but then if my path is different, the preference of update-alternative becomes moot, right? |
| 07:21.46 | Walex | ag4ve__: that's why paths exist... |
| 07:21.46 | ag4ve__ | it == update-alternatives |
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| 07:22.27 | themill | ag4ve__: the alternatives system is not designed for that purpose. It's not about working out which executable called "vi" is to be run, it's to work out which executable should answer to the name /usr/bin/vi |
| 07:23.04 | ag4ve__ | ok, so maybe i'm looking for another tool.... |
| 07:23.08 | Walex | ag4ve__: somewhat fuzzy thinking here... All 'update-alternatives' does is to keep lists of symlinks. Your confusion maybe because the *default* alternatives setup by common packages. |
| 07:23.27 | themill | ag4ve__: what are you really trying to do>? |
| 07:23.45 | Walex | ag4ve__: the VI-related packages by default setup alternatives for '/usr/bin/vi' because that's what they are designed to do. |
| 07:23.48 | ag4ve__ | i want to compile some things and have them act as the actual program without actually removing the package (so that i get debian configs) |
| 07:24.00 | Walex | ag4ve__: if you want to setup alternatives for a different path you can do it yourself. |
| 07:24.05 | themill | ag4ve__: so you'd just use $PATH for that. |
| 07:24.17 | ag4ve__ | so, what's the best way to make /usr/local/bin/ssh the default ssh? |
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| 07:24.39 | themill | by having /usr/local/bin earlier in $PATH |
| 07:24.44 | Walex | ag4ve__: nothing forbids your fro having alternatives for both '/usr/bin/vi' and '/usr/local/bin/vi' |
| 07:24.56 | themill | Walex: umm... |
| 07:25.06 | ag4ve__ | and /usr/loca/sbin/sshd? |
| 07:25.15 | themill | ag4ve__: but why you'd want to have a locally compiled ssh I don't know... |
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| 07:25.39 | themill | ag4ve__: well the init script specifically uses /usr/sbin so you'd need to modify that |
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| 07:26.17 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 07:26.35 | vak0160 | themill: isn't /usr/local/* always go first? |
| 07:26.39 | ag4ve__ | so there's no way to mask what the system wants to install to make sure you're running what you build? |
| 07:26.41 | MaxFrames | so, it's wheezy upgrade time for me. wish me luck. :) |
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| 07:26.54 | themill | vak0160: in $PATH, yes. |
| 07:27.04 | themill | ag4ve__: what are you really trying to do here? |
| 07:27.34 | Walex | ag4ve__: there are also DPKG diversions... |
| 07:27.43 | ag4ve__ | keep the ssh package (so that /etc/ssh/ may get updated but run newer ssh stuff |
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| 07:28.17 | ag4ve__ | the same with vim (though alternatives worked quite well for that) |
| 07:28.29 | themill | ag4ve__: but why do you want to do that/ |
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| 07:29.13 | ag4ve__ | the debian package of ssh didn't support ed25519 last time i checked |
| 07:29.17 | themill | notes that a newer openssh is in wheezy-backports if you really need it |
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| 07:29.29 | MaxFrames | so in short: after checking all the prerequisites, I edit /etc/apt.sources.list and replace "squeeze" with "wheezy" everywhere, right? |
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| 07:29.43 | ag4ve__ | the debian package of vim was missing a few features iirc |
| 07:29.54 | themill | ag4ve__: probably because you didn't install the right one |
| 07:30.11 | themill | (I don't know I'd be trusting the ECC algorithms yet either) |
| 07:30.12 | Walex | ag4ve__: what you may want to do is something that probably you don't have the insight to specify correctly, and neither do most UNIX/Linux users, thus we have terrible hacks like DPKG diversions and 'update-alternatives'. But what you really want to do has nothing to do with this either. |
| 07:30.15 | ag4ve__ | for vim, iirc it was the default --huge |
| 07:31.01 | Walex | ag4ve__: what you actually want is to have backported packages of SSH and VIM, _updating_, not being installed alongside, the 'stable' ones. |
| 07:31.51 | Walex | ag4ve__: unless you specifically want to have on your system packages of the same sw but at different versions, something that DPKG/APT and most other package systems make very awkward to do. |
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| 07:32.52 | ag4ve__ | yeah, no what i really want are the default configs and probably the deps |
| 07:33.10 | Walex | ag4ve__: "the default configs and probably the dep" exist only in a backported package. |
| 07:33.24 | ag4ve__ | ok |
| 07:33.29 | Walex | ag4ve__: "the default configs and probably the deps" exist ALSO in a backported package. |
| 07:33.58 | themill | ,v openssh-server --release wheezy-backports |
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| 07:33.59 | judd | Package: openssh-server on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1 |
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| 07:35.01 | Walex | ag4ve__: so the backported package for say SSH 6.6 includes all the files in the stable package for SSH 6.0, so you can replace SSH 6.0 in its entirety with the SSH 6.6 package |
| 07:35.22 | Walex | ag4ve__: the difficulty is when you want to have both the 6.6 and 6.0 packages installed at the same time. |
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| 07:36.47 | ag4ve__ | yup, i'm reading... https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
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| 07:37.28 | vak0160 | ag4ve__: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 07:37.39 | themill | you don't need to create your own backports |
| 07:38.04 | ag4ve__ | and for vim where i want different features? |
| 07:38.21 | themill | specifically what features? |
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| 07:38.36 | ag4ve__ | s/different/more/ - iirc perl and tcl weren't enabled |
| 07:38.57 | ag4ve__ | i think there was something else as well..... |
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| 07:39.22 | themill | ag4ve__: there are vim-* packages that enable those languages for plugins |
| 07:39.26 | ag4ve__ | but like i said, vim hasn't shown to be an issue as alternatives was kinda designed for it |
| 07:40.14 | themill | (aptitude search ~n^vim~dperl or just apt-cache search vim perl and then scroll through the list) |
| 07:40.31 | vak0160 | ag4ve__: or use synaptic ;p |
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| 07:53.09 | ghostlin_ | hi, I adding a the backports repo some months ago, and installed kernel 3.12. Now I see the latest bp kernel is 3.14 but apt-get upgrade doesn't automatically select it |
| 07:53.24 | ghostlin_ | do backport kernels have to always be manually installed? |
| 07:53.33 | vak0160 | ghostlin_: yes |
| 07:53.44 | ghostlin_ | ahh k thanks |
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| 07:54.02 | themill | ghostlin_: if you install the metapackage from backports then it will try to do so automatically |
| 07:54.04 | babilen | ghostlin_: Did you install the actual kernel package or "linux-image-amd64" (if that's your architecture) ? |
| 07:54.48 | MaxFrames | can you please tell me a few things about the wheezy sources: 1) what are the "wheezy-updates" sources, do I have to list them? |
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| 07:55.09 | MaxFrames | some upgrade tutorials include them, some don't |
| 07:55.15 | ghostlin_ | babilen I installed the actual kernel package not the meta package as themill said. I'll try installing the meta now and see what happens |
| 07:55.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell MaxFrames -about wheezy-updates |
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| 07:56.19 | MaxFrames | ok thanks |
| 07:56.26 | babilen | MaxFrames: You shouldn't follow "upgrade tutorials" at all. The upgrade from one Debian release to another is detailed in the official release notes. For example https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html for squeeze→wheezy |
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| 07:56.49 | MaxFrames | that is my main source of info |
| 07:56.53 | babilen | +1 |
| 07:57.29 | babilen | MaxFrames: A complete sources.list for wheezy (with backports) is http://paste.debian.net/105941 |
| 07:58.22 | MaxFrames | thanks again; another question, how many of those urls can be replaced with the url of the mirror nearest to me? |
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| 07:58.45 | MaxFrames | line 1 and 2 surely, what about lines 4 and 5? |
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| 07:58.54 | MaxFrames | the security updates |
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| 07:59.44 | babilen | MaxFrames: http.debian.net is a metamirror that will select the "best" mirror for you automagically. http://http.debian.net/ |
| 07:59.53 | MaxFrames | nice |
| 07:59.54 | ghostlin_ | themill thx, using the meta package seems to have worked |
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| 08:00.11 | babilen | MaxFrames: You can, naturally, replace that part with whatever else you prefer |
| 08:01.23 | MaxFrames | so basically the security updates don't come from a mirror |
| 08:01.30 | themill | ghostlin_: no worries |
| 08:01.58 | vak0160 | MaxFrames: https://www.debian.org/security/faq#mirror |
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| 08:06.20 | MaxFrames | apt-get update done. apt-get upgrade rolling... |
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| 08:10.04 | trever | hai, bug 731774 is the same as 745418 where the letter one has the solution |
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| 08:21.27 | MaxFrames | ok, apt-get upgrade done, apt-get dist-upgrade rolling :P |
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| 08:47.23 | MaxFrames | the wheezy upgrade is asking me what display manager should be default, between gdm and gdm3, what do I do? |
| 08:47.31 | PhotonLogic | Hi there |
| 08:48.35 | babilen | MaxFrames: I'd chose gdm3 |
| 08:48.40 | PhotonLogic | When I want to remove file KDE showed me this message: |
| 08:48.43 | babilen | +o |
| 08:48.43 | PhotonLogic | Access denied to /home/user/.local/share/Trash/files/gwendal-lebihan-dev-hexchat-stable-wheezy.list. |
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| 08:49.26 | babilen | PhotonLogic: Who owns that file? (i.e. what does "ls -l /home/user/.local/share/Trash/files/gwendal-lebihan-dev-hexchat-stable-wheezy.list" give you?) |
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| 08:50.28 | MaxFrames | if I choose gdm3, will it interfer with lightdm/xrdp which is also installed and needed? |
| 08:50.46 | PhotonLogic | Ownership: user: root group: root |
| 08:51.38 | babilen | PhotonLogic: That is not the output of the command, but I assume that other users aren't allows to remove that file. Become root and remove it then or change the owner and then remove it as your user. |
| 08:51.59 | PhotonLogic | hold on sec i check it now |
| 08:52.33 | babilen | MaxFrames: I don't know, it will simply start gdm3 as default display manager. If that causes problems for lightdm then you would have to work on that. |
| 08:52.46 | babilen | MaxFrames: I am a bit surprised that it doesn't also offer lightdm as choice if it is installed. |
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| 08:52.49 | MaxFrames | heck....... I chose gdm3 and now the dist-upgrade process and the whole procedure stopped with errors |
| 08:52.59 | babilen | yay, errors! |
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| 08:53.05 | babilen | → http://paste.debian.net |
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| 08:53.09 | PhotonLogic | root@host:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# ls -l |
| 08:53.10 | PhotonLogic | total 20 |
| 08:53.10 | PhotonLogic | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 170 Jun 20 03:02 gwendal-lebihan-dev-hexchat-stable-wheezy.list |
| 08:53.10 | PhotonLogic | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 308 Jun 20 03:02 torproject.list |
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| 08:53.37 | MaxFrames | http://paste.debian.net/105950/ |
| 08:53.47 | MaxFrames | it's in Italian, let me know if something is not clear |
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| 08:53.55 | babilen | dpkg: localised errors |
| 08:53.55 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
| 08:54.03 | babilen | But I think I'll manage |
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| 08:54.19 | babilen | Which command caused that error? |
| 08:54.24 | MaxFrames | it says that ldconfig, start-stop-daemon and update-rc.d were not found in the PATH variable or are not executable |
| 08:54.46 | babilen | And is that the entire output of that command? |
| 08:54.56 | PhotonLogic | in use from GUI |
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| 08:55.11 | babilen | PhotonLogic: You cannot delete those files if you are not root |
| 08:55.18 | PhotonLogic | I using form KDE |
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| 08:55.28 | babilen | (or with supersuser privileges acquires through, say, sudo) |
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| 08:55.45 | MaxFrames | no, I did apt-get dist-upgrade and it went smoothly for minutes. then it asked (graphically) to choose gdm or gdm3; I chose gdm3. right after that, I got these lines and then back to the command prompt |
| 08:55.49 | babilen | *supersuser |
| 08:55.54 | babilen | *superuser |
| 08:55.57 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 08:56.18 | PhotonLogic | I can be a superuser |
| 08:56.27 | MaxFrames | "the root PATH should include /usr/local/bin, /usr/sbin and /sbin" it says also |
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| 08:56.43 | babilen | MaxFrames: Yes, which command is that the output of and is that the entire command? |
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| 08:56.51 | babilen | err, output |
| 08:56.57 | sw-tritum | how can i join #debian-next |
| 08:57.14 | babilen | sw-tritum: The channel is with the rest of the official Debian channels on irc.oftc.net not here on Freenode |
| 08:57.15 | MaxFrames | babilen: I don't know, the last command I did was sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:57.24 | sw-tritum | ah, i see |
| 08:57.28 | MaxFrames | it ran for minutes.... I typed no other command |
| 08:57.36 | babilen | MaxFrames: It might have changed your sudo path settings |
| 08:57.38 | MaxFrames | then I got the choice of the display manager, and then this |
| 08:57.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell MaxFrames -about sudo path |
| 08:58.22 | PhotonLogic | babilen, how can be a superusers? |
| 08:58.23 | MaxFrames | I got no prompt about that during the upgrade |
| 08:58.25 | babilen | MaxFrames: I would typically recommend to run these commands as root. (sudo -i) -- Could you become root now and run "dpkg --configure -a" and show me the output? |
| 08:59.02 | MaxFrames | the output is nothing |
| 08:59.14 | babilen | MaxFrames: Hmm, you should have been told as I believe that there is a NEWS entry about that. But that is just my assumption, it might have been triggered by an earlier error and as you didn't paste the entire output I cannot tell. |
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| 08:59.48 | babilen | MaxFrames: Good. At which step in the upgrade process did that happen? |
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| 09:00.24 | MaxFrames | I don't know... I mean, I let it go, and 3 times I got to answer questions |
| 09:00.35 | MaxFrames | 1) keep/not keep the iptables rules => keep |
| 09:00.51 | MaxFrames | 2) keep/not keep the sudoers file as it is => keep |
| 09:00.58 | MaxFrames | 3) choose between gdm and gdm3 |
| 09:00.58 | babilen | yes, that would be the one |
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| 09:01.28 | babilen | MaxFrames: yeah, you are now using an old version of your sudoers file that might not set the path as needed |
| 09:01.36 | MaxFrames | what can I do? |
| 09:01.52 | MaxFrames | I mean, to correct this and go on with the dist-upgrade |
| 09:02.18 | babilen | MaxFrames: Adjust it as detailed in the message the bot sent you earlier. You probably also have a /etc/sudoers.dpkg.dist (or so) |
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| 09:03.29 | babilen | MaxFrames: You want your /etc/sudoers to look something like http://paste.debian.net/105952/ (note line 11) |
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| 09:03.56 | babilen | If you had local changes to is (not in /etc/sudoers.d) you will have to merge those too |
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| 09:06.45 | MaxFrames | I have to /etc/sudoers.dpkg.list file |
| 09:06.51 | MaxFrames | I have *no* |
| 09:06.58 | PhotonLogic | babilen, I apologize for interrupting yesterday I finished installing the distribution. How can I get the admin? |
| 09:07.26 | MaxFrames | I have added the two lines to /etc/sudoers with "visudo" (lines 10 and 11) |
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| 09:07.33 | babilen | MaxFrames: Well, I pasted a sensible example (would have been .dpkg.dist) |
| 09:07.34 | MaxFrames | now what do I do to resume? |
| 09:07.54 | babilen | MaxFrames: Become root "sudo -i" / "su" or so and continue |
| 09:08.03 | MaxFrames | continue how? |
| 09:08.22 | babilen | MaxFrames: "At which point in the upgrade process did you run into this error?" |
| 09:08.34 | MaxFrames | after choosing the display manager.... |
| 09:08.53 | babilen | No, which step in https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html ? |
| 09:09.52 | MaxFrames | the last command _I_ typed was "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" so 4.4.5 |
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| 09:10.09 | MaxFrames | after that, it was all done automatically until it stopped..... |
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| 09:10.50 | babilen | MaxFrames: Okay, then run "apt-get dist-upgrade" again |
| 09:11.15 | MaxFrames | ok so it starts all over again? |
| 09:11.48 | babilen | I don't know, try it and see! |
| 09:11.56 | MaxFrames | :/ |
| 09:12.17 | babilen | Packages that have been upgraded already will not be upgraded again. |
| 09:12.43 | MaxFrames | it is now asking me if it can restart services automatically, which didn't ask on the first run |
| 09:12.45 | formorer | eventually it tells you to use dpkg to continue, but it will continue |
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| 09:13.48 | babilen | MaxFrames: It is typically fine to restart those services, but it is your call. |
| 09:14.14 | babilen | Please let us know if you are unsure about any of them. |
| 09:15.06 | PhotonLogic | brb |
| 09:15.08 | MaxFrames | I told it to restart them, users have been warned that the server will be unavailable today |
| 09:15.32 | formorer | MaxFrames: you should nevertheless reboot the server after the upgrade. |
| 09:15.49 | MaxFrames | sure |
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| 09:16.49 | babilen | (if only to get the new kernel, but a fresh restart is often necessary. "checkrestart" will list all processes that use old libraries) |
| 09:17.13 | MaxFrames | I don't mind restarting. I just hope it will work :P |
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| 09:18.15 | babilen | MaxFrames: Just remember to be root when you run that next time |
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| 09:18.46 | babilen | (or to pay close attention to changes to files that are being performed, the sudoers change was what caused the error now) |
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| 09:21.08 | MaxFrames | the warning did not say that failing to replace sudoers would cause the upgrade to fail, so I chose the safe choice to keep the old file :/ |
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| 09:22.50 | babilen | Did the upgrade not show you http://paste.debian.net/105957/ ? |
| 09:23.20 | MaxFrames | no, definitely not |
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| 09:23.53 | MaxFrames | I am logging the process anyway |
| 09:24.12 | MaxFrames | (point 4.4.1) |
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| 09:27.11 | PhotonLogic | babilen, can I take your time? |
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| 09:28.16 | babilen | PhotonLogic: Just ask |
| 09:28.20 | PhotonLogic | babilen, I used su and login as root but when I want to remove still showed me that |
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| 09:28.34 | babilen | MaxFrames: That is interesting. You *should* have been presented with that NEWS entry. |
| 09:28.54 | babilen | PhotonLogic: Could you paste your command and its output to http://paste.debian.net along with that of "whoami" ? |
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| 09:32.59 | PhotonLogic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:33.53 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice morning guys:) ! |
| 09:34.05 | PhotonLogic | can i send here? |
| 09:34.06 | babilen | PhotonLogic: You have been given an IP with a bad reputation from your ISP. Use a different pastebin such as http://refheap.com in the interim (or get a new IP address) |
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| 09:34.28 | jdabinett | hey guys, how come all of a sudden my browser is reporting flash is not installed? |
| 09:34.39 | Catz` | hi can anyone help me. I have an issue with 04:00.0 Fibre Channel: Brocade Communications Systems, Inc. 1010/1020/1007/1741 10Gbps CNA (rev 01) |
| 09:34.44 | babilen | jdabinett: Which browser? How did you install flash? |
| 09:34.51 | babilen | guesses chromium |
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| 09:34.56 | PhotonLogic | I'm using Tor is that problem? |
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| 09:35.01 | jdabinett | babilen: both weasel and chromium, and with flashplugin-installer from default repo |
| 09:35.07 | babilen | PhotonLogic: That might very well cause this |
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| 09:35.21 | jdabinett | babilen: tried to simply reinstall but that didn't work |
| 09:35.31 | jdabinett | I have an idea of what the problem is, just no idea how to resolve it. |
| 09:35.44 | babilen | jdabinett: You'll need pepperflash-plugin for Chromium. Iceweasel should work fine. Please also run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose". |
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| 09:36.03 | jdabinett | zsh: command not found: update-flashplugin-nonfree |
| 09:36.04 | jdabinett | oop |
| 09:36.16 | babilen | jdabinett: It's "pepperflash-plugin-nonfree" |
| 09:36.22 | Catz` | hi can anyone help me. I have an issue with 04:00.0 Fibre Channel: Brocade Communications Systems, Inc. 1010/1020/1007/1741 10Gbps CNA (rev 01), i cannot seem to find ctfw-3.2.1.1.bin it's the firmware missing |
| 09:36.27 | babilen | pepperflashplugin-nonfree *sigh* |
| 09:36.33 | TheReverend403 | jesus christ, the pings q.q |
| 09:36.49 | PhotonLogic | ok it worked here https://www.refheap.com/e27809564e224db7bf44abb92 |
| 09:37.03 | Catz` | bna 0000:04:00.2: firmware: requesting ctfw-3.2.1.1.bin |
| 09:37.03 | Catz` | Can't locate firmware ctfw-3.2.1.1.bin |
| 09:37.04 | jdabinett | babilen: awesome, I'll try pepper now. |
| 09:37.37 | babilen | judd: file ctfw-3.2.1.1.bin |
| 09:37.40 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 09:37.42 | jdabinett | babilen: do I need to symlink anything? Or just a browser restart |
| 09:38.09 | babilen | jdabinett: A browser restart should be all that is necessary after you installed that package |
| 09:38.39 | Catz` | @babilen it cannot be found |
| 09:38.53 | PhotonLogic | babilen, I sent it here : https://www.refheap.com/e27809564e224db7bf44abb92 |
| 09:39.29 | babilen | Catz`: Yeah, I am looking. This is also not twatter and the general way of addressing users on IRC is "NICK," or "NICK:" -- Your client probably does the right thing if you use tab completion. Try: bab<TAB> |
| 09:39.33 | g105b | New computer, can I use an old/existing ssh key from the machine it's replacing? |
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| 09:39.44 | formorer | g105b: sure. |
| 09:39.58 | babilen | PhotonLogic: Yes, could you try to delete those files from there? |
| 09:39.59 | g105b | that makes everything so much easier for deployments. |
| 09:40.37 | yann2 | hello! I am probably doing bunch of things wrong, but I am trying to generate a package using deb helper tools... it is a binary package, I copy files from a maven build |
| 09:40.44 | Catz` | babilen: ok :) |
| 09:41.09 | PhotonLogic | I want delete file form KDE : Access denied to /home/user/.local/share/Trash/files/gwendal-lebihan-dev-hexchat-stable-wheezy.list. |
| 09:41.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell Catz` about brocade |
| 09:41.15 | yann2 | I am trying to generate the control file from debian/control to debian/package/DEBIAN/control using dh_gencontrol, but it fails telling me that my control file is missing a source field |
| 09:41.34 | yann2 | any way to bypass this? :( |
| 09:41.49 | Catz` | babilen: check this http://pastebin.com/sgkxgkPy |
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| 09:42.51 | babilen | ugh, pastebin.com |
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| 09:43.06 | PhotonLogic | your suggestion is I deleted files from console ? |
| 09:43.36 | babilen | judd: v bfa-firmware |
| 09:43.37 | judd | No package named 'bfa-firmware' was found in i386. |
| 09:43.45 | babilen | Catz`: Looks as if that package is broken |
| 09:43.56 | MaxFrames | babilen: now it is asking if I want to keep the current version of /etc/rsyslog.conf |
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| 09:44.07 | Catz` | babilen: yes it's weird, it's a fresh installation, what should i do? |
| 09:44.18 | MaxFrames | this prompt is identical to the one asking to keep or replace sudoers |
| 09:44.24 | MaxFrames | i.e. does not say what is at stake |
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| 09:44.36 | MaxFrames | "default is to keep current version" |
| 09:44.44 | babilen | MaxFrames: So, compare the versions and merge if necessary or just accept the new one. *I* can't answer those questions for you as it really depends on your local configuration |
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| 09:45.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | MaxFrames, if you have made edits to the file yourself, you want to keep it, else not |
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| 09:45.33 | MaxFrames | I don't recall ever editing it, but I may be wrong.... I'm often wrong :( |
| 09:45.44 | MaxFrames | I chose to show the differences |
| 09:45.47 | babilen | MaxFrames: You must have at one point. |
| 09:46.08 | MaxFrames | now I get a ":" prompt, I'm not even sure what I must do to exit this |
| 09:46.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, nah... I get lots of false positives for files I never changed |
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| 09:46.27 | formorer | MaxFrames: it this is what I think it is: q |
| 09:46.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | or at least used to |
| 09:46.39 | MaxFrames | can't I tell it to rename the old file to .old and replace it, so I can revert to it if need be? |
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| 09:46.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, because it's doing that anyway |
| 09:46.52 | Catz` | babilen: what should i do, so i can do an apt-get upgrade |
| 09:46.55 | pbunny | hi |
| 09:47.03 | pbunny | which wm is the most touchscreen-friendly? |
| 09:47.13 | pbunny | ( without tons of additional work ) |
| 09:47.24 | formorer | pbunny: if you find one: tell me |
| 09:47.25 | pbunny | or maybe a tutorial |
| 09:47.28 | babilen | Catz`: Where is that package from? |
| 09:47.39 | PhotonLogic | babilen, is working form console look root@host:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# rm -f -r gwendal-lebihan-dev-hexchat-stable-wheezy.list |
| 09:47.51 | pbunny | well i'm currently got touchscreen clicks and mousedrags (e.g. dragging scrollbar) |
| 09:47.52 | PhotonLogic | but I want to working form KDE |
| 09:48.02 | MaxFrames | http://paste.debian.net/105961/ => can you help me figure out? |
| 09:48.08 | pbunny | i also need scrolling (e.g. browser window) and zooming (in and out) |
| 09:48.08 | babilen | PhotonLogic: You would have to run your file manager with superuser privileges in that case. |
| 09:48.12 | MaxFrames | this is the output of the "show me the differences" choice |
| 09:48.22 | babilen | PhotonLogic: gksu(do) would allow you to do that. |
| 09:49.29 | PhotonLogic | babilen, thanks mate :) |
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| 09:50.09 | MaxFrames | I suppose the "-" lines are the ones being removed, the "+" lines will be added? |
| 09:50.17 | MaxFrames | what about the other stuff? |
| 09:50.48 | babilen | PhotonLogic: You might even have a "file manager (superuser mode)" entry somewhere. I don't use KDE, but it wouldn't surprise me |
| 09:51.11 | babilen | PhotonLogic: That being said: It might not be the best of ideas to do that as you could by default wreak havoc easily |
| 09:51.12 | MaxFrames | I probably never edited the file, but maybe some script did, or something automatic anyway |
| 09:51.24 | MaxFrames | http://paste.debian.net/105961/ |
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| 09:51.54 | MaxFrames | I can't interpret that. what will be removed? what will be added? |
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| 09:52.09 | Catz` | babilen: i just need the brocade driver, and i cannot find it for download, the brocade page is broken |
| 09:52.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | MaxFrames, if this is an upgrade, about 30 more questions of the type may come... you don't want to ask us about each one of them? just decide... and change your decision if something seems broken |
| 09:53.06 | MaxFrames | I am asking about this particular decision |
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| 09:53.17 | vak0160 | babilen: isn't it better for PhotonLogic: to chown Trash folder? |
| 09:53.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm asking you to make it :) |
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| 09:53.44 | MaxFrames | at random? |
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| 09:54.01 | MaxFrames | do I throw a coin and choose keep/replace? ;P |
| 09:54.44 | MaxFrames | in that case I choose "Z"=>open a shell to examine the situation.... |
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| 09:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you COULD try to read the diff? |
| 09:55.10 | MaxFrames | CutMeOwnThroat: I am asking for help interpreting that diff output |
| 09:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | then you'd see that only comments changed between versions? |
| 09:55.41 | babilen | vak0160: My understanding was that this concerns files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ... you are, naturally, right in that files in the .Trash directory should normally be owned by the user in question |
| 09:55.42 | MaxFrames | well, I went to a shell and am looking at the current version now |
| 09:55.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | MaxFrames, we all have to guess at the meaning of one of a 100 of configuration files we probable never touched |
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| 09:56.07 | MaxFrames | and I am seeing lines added by me (I remarked them # ADDED BY ME) |
| 09:56.15 | MaxFrames | I don't see those lines in the "diff" output..... |
| 09:56.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | they should be... it's just a diff |
| 09:56.37 | babilen | Catz`: I was under the impression that you have to grab a .rpm package from brocade to get the firmware. you can then extract that (or convert it into a .deb package, not sure how well that works) to get hold of the firmware |
| 09:56.53 | MaxFrames | I redirected the dhcpd log to /var/log/dhcpd.log |
| 09:57.06 | MaxFrames | and the iptables log to /var/log/iptables.log |
| 09:57.29 | MaxFrames | well I'll be damned, those two lines are NOT in the diff output! |
| 09:57.41 | vixxo | hi guys, I'm having issues with gnome "Power Off" after I hit that or I try to restart the computer nothing happens, just after hitting the power button on the computer I can shutdown |
| 09:58.00 | MaxFrames | local7.* /var/log/dhcpd.log |
| 09:58.22 | MaxFrames | kern.warning /var/log/iptables.log |
| 09:59.04 | MaxFrames | so will letting it replace the file, and then adding these lines back, be the wisest choice in this case you reckon? |
| 10:00.41 | vak0160 | babilen: you're right, that's weird that a file normally owned by root can be moved to user trash |
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| 10:02.01 | MaxFrames | babilen: any thought? |
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| 10:03.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | vixxo, run "shutdown -hf now" as root from the console to shutdown... at least that gives some messages |
| 10:03.26 | gdm85 | is it possible to tell gpg to encrypt using a file as stdin? (without using input redirection) |
| 10:03.44 | vixxo | CutMeOwnThroat, ok I will try later thank you |
| 10:04.02 | MaxFrames | the lines I'd added are not listed as differences. does it mean they will be kept in the new file if I choose to replace it? |
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| 10:06.03 | MaxFrames | did I wear you guys out already? :P |
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| 10:08.02 | MaxFrames | look, there is this file, /etc/rsyslog.conf, the installer says it has been modified by me or by some script, and asks if it can replace it with a new version; I had indeed added lines to that file; I chose to review the differences, and the added lines are not listed |
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| 10:10.39 | vladhaund | how I edit PwdHash prefix? |
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| 10:13.02 | MaxFrames | now it asks where to install grub, it says in doubt install it on all partitions...... I have sda and sda1 listed........ I want to install it where it is currently installed......... but how can I tell |
| 10:13.26 | MaxFrames | why can't it just detect where grub is now, and overwrite it??? |
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| 10:14.48 | MaxFrames | is there a command I can try to determine where grub is? |
| 10:15.24 | MaxFrames | or a config file I can read to find out? |
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| 10:16.30 | MaxFrames | I'd need to exit to a separate shell to do it though |
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| 10:16.47 | babilen | MaxFrames: You, almost certainly, want /dev/sda |
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| 10:18.01 | MaxFrames | gawd, I wouldn't have thought it was this involved |
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| 10:19.08 | MaxFrames | looks like that was the last choice. dist-upgrade finished. rebooting |
| 10:19.14 | babilen | MaxFrames: There is typically no reason to install the bootloader to a partition unless you want to chainload it from another bootloader (that is being installed to the MBR) |
| 10:19.42 | Otyugh | hey. Any could tell me how do we disable the "auto start" of a service in system-v ? I don't find out. |
| 10:20.08 | babilen | Otyugh: Why do you want to do that? |
| 10:20.10 | formorer | Otyugh: insserv -r service |
| 10:20.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell Otyugh about disable service |
| 10:20.45 | babilen | Otyugh: I mean: Why do you have a service installed if you don't want to run it? |
| 10:21.08 | Otyugh | I've installed a few softwares that use a bit too heavely the cpu. So I wish to activate them only when I'm not on it |
| 10:21.37 | babilen | Otyugh: Okay, then use update-rc.d FOO disable and run the insserv command |
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| 10:22.21 | Otyugh | inserv not found |
| 10:22.27 | MaxFrames | well, upon 1st reboot I logon in the gui, and I get a message saying that it was not possible to load gnome3 |
| 10:22.37 | formorer | Otyugh: I am pretty sure I had two 's' in the command. |
| 10:22.38 | MaxFrames | this is a virtual machine, so I can understand that |
| 10:22.48 | MaxFrames | is this related to that choice between gdm and gdm3? |
| 10:22.54 | Otyugh | insserv not found :) |
| 10:22.56 | formorer | MaxFrames: it doesn't have 3d. gnome needs hardware acceleration |
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| 10:23.36 | formorer | Otyugh: afair should every released system since squeeze having insserv installed |
| 10:23.52 | babilen | Otyugh: Are you sure you executed that command as root? |
| 10:23.52 | formorer | it was introduced with dependency based booting |
| 10:24.00 | Otyugh | ... |
| 10:24.06 | Otyugh | You are TOTALY right |
| 10:24.14 | Otyugh | god. |
| 10:24.20 | formorer | MaxFrames: gnome3. |
| 10:24.26 | babilen | Otyugh: The command itself is in /sbin which might not be in your user's PATH |
| 10:24.59 | Otyugh | I'm used to arch systems, here user see the commands, can't execute them. x) |
| 10:25.06 | MaxFrames | formorer: earlier in the upgrade I was asked to choose a display manager, between gdm and gdm3. is gmd3=gnome3? |
| 10:25.13 | formorer | wheezy is gnome3 |
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| 10:25.45 | babilen | Otyugh: I typically add /sbin and /usr/sbin to my user's PATH too. |
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| 10:26.55 | babilen | MaxFrames: No, gdm3 is a different display manager that comes with Gnome3, but there is no causal relation between your choice of gdm3 and the fact that Gnome3 is being started. Gnome3 is simply the version of Gnome in wheezy (and that version requires 3d hardware acceleration) |
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| 10:27.25 | MaxFrames | ok, I can safely ignore that then. I will not use gnome, just ssh and xrdp |
| 10:28.11 | Otyugh | babilen: where is set up PATH already ? x) |
| 10:28.30 | babilen | Otyugh: Which shell do you use? |
| 10:28.35 | Otyugh | bash |
| 10:29.22 | Otyugh | I sure could add it from bashrc, but it don't seem to me the proper way x) |
| 10:29.38 | babilen | Otyugh: Why not? |
| 10:30.23 | babilen | Otyugh: Granted, I do it in .bash_env (and source that), but something like PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:"${PATH}" + export PATH is perfectly fine |
| 10:31.00 | Otyugh | because PATH is sur to be initialized somewhere. Initialize it a second time isn't spare-ressource generally. The biggest issue is basically just that I would want to know where things are set up x) |
| 10:31.01 | MaxFrames | bah. why did I say lightdm. it's _fluxbox_ I am using as the default window manager in xrdp sessions |
| 10:31.28 | MaxFrames | funny glitch.... in fluxbox, if I launch a terminal, it defaults to black chars on a black background |
| 10:31.30 | Otyugh | (cause performance for one bash thing isn't a thing :p) |
| 10:31.45 | MaxFrames | the profile is set to "use system default" as before.... it used to be black on white before |
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| 10:35.18 | MaxFrames | when I "sudo gedit" from a terminal, I get this error |
| 10:35.43 | babilen | MaxFrames: You have to use "gksudo gedit" |
| 10:35.47 | babilen | (or gksu) |
| 10:36.02 | MaxFrames | hang on I was transcribing the error |
| 10:36.11 | MaxFrames | copy paste to windows from the vm does not work |
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| 10:37.58 | MaxFrames | same error with gksudo babilen |
| 10:38.05 | MaxFrames | lemme transcribe it |
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| 10:40.07 | MaxFrames | Gtk-WARNING: **: Attempting to store changes into '/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel', but failed: Creating file "?root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel.01ILHX" failed: File or directory does not exist |
| 10:40.18 | MaxFrames | Gtk-WARNING: **: Attempting to store changes into '/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel', but failed: Creating file "/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel.01ILHX" failed: File or directory does not exist |
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| 10:41.03 | MaxFrames | Gtk-WARNING: **: Attempting to set the permissions of '/root/.local/share/recently-used.xbel' but failed: file or directory does not exist |
| 10:41.12 | MaxFrames | and other similar |
| 10:41.24 | MaxFrames | was not getting this before upgrading |
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| 10:42.06 | MaxFrames | I don't have a ".local" directory inside /root |
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| 10:43.40 | babilen | MaxFrames: Those are warnings, and feel free to create that directory if you do a lot of things in X as root |
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| 10:45.07 | MaxFrames | the /root/.local directory? |
| 10:45.13 | Catz` | can anyone tell me how to install the driver for Brocade 10Gb ethernet on debian / proxmox. ? |
| 10:45.27 | babilen | dpkg: brocade |
| 10:45.28 | dpkg | bna is a driver for Brocade 10Gb PCIe Ethernet adapters (e.g. PCI ID 1657:0014). Included in mainline at Linux 2.6.37, backported and enabled at linux-2.6 2.6.32-35 (part of the <6.0.2> point release). Device firmware (ctfw_cna.bin) is available from http://www.brocade.com/services-support/drivers-downloads/CNA/Linux.page#Drivers (bfa_firmware_linux-2.3.2.3-0.src.rpm, use <rpm2cpio> and cpio to convert/extract). |
| 10:45.30 | babilen | Catz`: ^^^ |
| 10:46.39 | Catz` | babilen: i installed the rpm fro m http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=bfa-firmware&submit=Search+...&system=&arch= |
| 10:46.55 | MaxFrames | nice. I created the dir and no more error |
| 10:46.59 | MaxFrames | BUT |
| 10:47.00 | Catz` | babilen: i converted it to .deb using "alien" and now when i type dmesg i dont see the error for missing firmware |
| 10:47.06 | Catz` | but i still don't see eth2 and eth3 |
| 10:47.13 | MaxFrames | I have lost command history..... I can't retrieve the last terminal commands |
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| 10:48.02 | MaxFrames | funny. meh |
| 10:48.23 | babilen | Catz`: I neither know that rpm nor do I trust alien. I'd download it from brocade directly and simply extract the firmware and place it in /lib/firmware/ |
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| 10:48.59 | babilen | Catz`: I wouldn't install random RPMs from the internet. At least get them from the vendor! |
| 10:49.16 | Catz` | babilen: i can't download it from the website, it says page not found, can you give me the url? |
| 10:49.35 | Catz` | babilen: i searched the whole site from the vendor and it doesn't work, i can't download nothing |
| 10:50.18 | babilen | Catz`: Google for "brocade linxu driver download" which gets you http://www.brocade.com/services-support/drivers-downloads/index.page |
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| 10:52.13 | Catz` | babilen: i need a brocade account i will try it now |
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| 10:53.58 | MaxFrames | as for the "not installed (leftover configuration) packages, better to remove them all completely, right? |
| 10:55.30 | Catz` | babilen: i still cannot download the drivers from brocade, i created an account but i still cannot find the right place for downloading drivers |
| 10:55.41 | babilen | Catz`: Tell Brocade |
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| 10:58.46 | Catz` | babilen: it seems that that rpm worked on /lib/firmware there is the requested firmware and now when i type dmesg it doesn't throw me an error |
| 10:58.59 | Catz` | but i still cannot find eth2 and eth3, do i need a special command to activate it? |
| 10:59.16 | babilen | Catz`: Where can't you find them? |
| 10:59.39 | Catz` | babilen: on brocade i cannot find them, i cannot download them, i see no freaking link to download them |
| 10:59.52 | Catz` | babilen: i even registered an account but still nothing changend |
| 10:59.55 | Catz` | changed* |
| 11:00.03 | babilen | You cannot find eth2 and eth3 on brocade? |
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| 11:00.23 | Catz` | babilen: i can only see eth0 and eth1 which are the intel NIC |
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| 11:00.31 | babilen | I am not affiliated with Brocade at all and have no idea how they organise their driver download pages. |
| 11:00.32 | Catz` | but i can't see the FO interfaces |
| 11:00.39 | babilen | Catz`: *where* can't you see them? |
| 11:00.44 | Catz` | when i type ifconfig -a |
| 11:01.02 | babilen | Ah, did you reload the module after installing the firmware? |
| 11:01.07 | Catz` | babilen: how? |
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| 11:01.21 | babilen | "modprobe -r THEMODULE ; modprobe THEMODULE" |
| 11:01.34 | babilen | (check in "dmesg|tail -n42" for messages) |
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| 11:03.01 | Catz` | babilen: i tried but it still throws me Brocade BFA FC/FCOE SCSI driver - version: 3.2.21.1 |
| 11:03.01 | Catz` | Can't locate firmware ctfw-3.2.1.1.bin |
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| 11:04.16 | Catz` | damn |
| 11:05.15 | Gerben | Hello. I am trying to create a PXE booting Debian to write a custom installer using debootstrap + scripts. I can't get debian-live to work, it complains about not detecting a network card. Using a manual debootstrap + plain kernel + aufs I get a fully working system. The first minute /dev is filled, after one minute it is emptied. |
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| 11:05.32 | Gerben | I suspect udev. Anyone has experience with this? |
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| 11:11.42 | SynrG | Gerben: join us at #debian-live @ irc.oftc.net and ask there |
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| 11:12.28 | Gerben | thanks |
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| 11:13.07 | babilen | Catz`: Well, do you have that file in /lib/firmware ? |
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| 11:26.00 | ziro` | how do i prevent dpkg-buildpackage from executing my make install ? |
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| 11:28.20 | MaxFrames | after upgrade to wheezy, arpwatch service not working. please help |
| 11:28.32 | MaxFrames | I dont think the daemon is running |
| 11:29.23 | MaxFrames | I do "/etc/init.d/arpwatch start" as before, to start it manually, and I don't get an error |
| 11:29.37 | MaxFrames | but then "ps aux | grep arpwatch" shows it is not running |
| 11:30.06 | MaxFrames | and if I change the ip address of a machine to test it, I don't get an email warning as before, and the eth0.dat file is not updated |
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| 11:31.40 | MaxFrames | where do I start troubleshooting? where are the logs of why arpwatch does not start? |
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| 11:33.19 | MaxFrames | I have an entry in syslog |
| 11:33.21 | babilen | MaxFrames: Could you start it manually? (i.e. "/usr/sbin/arpwatch") |
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| 11:33.31 | MaxFrames | apparenlty it runs |
| 11:33.39 | MaxFrames | then says "listening on eth0" |
| 11:34.04 | MaxFrames | then says "buffer overflow detected" /usr/sbin/arpwatch terminated |
| 11:34.13 | babilen | That would be https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=705894 |
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| 11:36.05 | MaxFrames | mm, so it's long hostnames? |
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| 11:37.26 | babilen | MaxFrames: Interface names |
| 11:37.55 | MaxFrames | I can remove those from eth0.dat, but what when the offending machine comes online again? |
| 11:38.01 | babilen | Ah, yeah .. the launchpad bug mentions hostnames |
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| 11:39.16 | babilen | MaxFrames: You probably want to apply that patch, I would also recommend to write a mail to 705894@bugs.debian.org in which you ask for this to be fixed (I raised the priority) |
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| 11:39.45 | MaxFrames | thanks, you were of SUPERB help |
| 11:40.20 | babilen | yw |
| 11:40.38 | MaxFrames | spot on. removed one entry and now arpwatch is working |
| 11:41.14 | babilen | That bug should still be fixed |
| 11:41.20 | babilen | but yeah! |
| 11:42.09 | MaxFrames | if I understand correctly, the patch consists in editing arpwatch's conf file? |
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| 11:42.54 | babilen | MaxFrames: I am referring to http://paste.debian.net/105988/ |
| 11:43.44 | MaxFrames | yes, those are changes to be made to /etc/arpwatch.conf, right? |
| 11:44.06 | babilen | MaxFrames: No, you would have to edit db.c in the source package |
| 11:44.32 | MaxFrames | oohh.. ok..... never done before, I must say I don't think I can |
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| 11:45.15 | MaxFrames | I will write the email hoping for a quick fix |
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| 11:45.39 | babilen | MaxFrames: Yes, hence the suggestion to bug the maintainer about it. This bug has been filed ages ago, comes with a patch and essentially renders the package unusable for many users. |
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| 11:47.28 | dhnghndgn | I am running Debian Wheezy with Mate as the gui, appearances for background color and test color were working but now they are not working. I want to find links to know what test files I can edit to customize appearances or something. |
| 11:47.45 | MaxFrames | mail sent. |
| 11:47.46 | dhnghndgn | I meant text not test |
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| 11:48.26 | MaxFrames | going to lunch, thanks a bunch (see the poet in me) :P |
| 11:48.49 | babilen | MaxFrames: Thank you and sorry for this |
| 11:49.15 | dhnghndgn | Don't forget to eat your silica |
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| 11:52.32 | mjt | when I hit Alt+PrintScr, where the screenshot is stored (in gnome 3)? |
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| 11:53.46 | mjt | ah. ~/Pictures/ it is |
| 11:53.49 | mjt | ll |
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| 12:00.25 | afidegnum | RoyK good afternoon |
| 12:00.46 | RoyK | afidegnum: afternoon |
| 12:01.19 | afidegnum | thanks alot for yeserday |
| 12:01.41 | afidegnum | I had varnish and nginx working |
| 12:01.50 | afidegnum | meanwhile I notice nginx is still listening to port 80 |
| 12:02.00 | afidegnum | and that was configured for the cntrol panel |
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| 12:04.53 | dhnghndgn | I have this problem only I am running Debian Wheezy |
| 12:04.54 | dhnghndgn | http://forums.mate-desktop.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2887&p=8241&hilit=theme+problem+color#p8241 |
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| 12:07.25 | abrotman | dhnghndgn: MATE isn't in Wheezy |
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| 12:08.05 | babilen | wheezy-backports though |
| 12:08.13 | babilen | judd: v mate-desktop |
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| 12:08.15 | judd | Package: mate-desktop on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1; sid: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1 |
| 12:08.26 | babilen | dhnghndgn: Is that where you got it from? |
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| 12:08.52 | mjt | does wheezy work on exynos5-based systems with mali video? |
| 12:09.00 | dhnghndgn | http://forum.debian.org.tr/index.php?topic=1081.msg1845#msg1845 |
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| 12:30.54 | connor01red | hellow ppl |
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| 12:31.41 | dhnghndgn | lol |
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| 12:43.01 | abrotman | formorer: The bug got much longer, but it seems you've found a viable solution that doesn't involve blocking? |
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| 12:43.13 | formorer | it seems so. |
| 12:43.22 | formorer | I am not exactly sure until we tried it. |
| 12:43.48 | abrotman | formorer: it's a far better attempt than the original proposal .. At least there are alternatives available. |
| 12:44.14 | abrotman | Hopefully it works out. |
| 12:45.05 | abrotman | formorer: Also, It would be great, regardless of the outcome, if someone were to write up a followup about what was tried/failed/finally-implemented. |
| 12:45.23 | formorer | sure. |
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| 12:45.45 | formorer | I'll see if I can get something about our experiences into LWN |
| 12:46.30 | abrotman | formorer: obviously, Debian isn't the only entity that has this concern. If you remind me when it happens, I could maybe send to a few other lists for added coverage. |
| 12:46.42 | MaxFrames | hello again |
| 12:49.44 | equex | say i have a device in bus 7 id 12 and it going to be accessed under /dev/tty_something when i plug it in, how do i know what tty has been selected for the device ? |
| 12:50.13 | equex | its some usb devices |
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| 12:51.02 | equex | they seem to be ttyUSB0,1 and 2 but they keep failing and i cant reach the devices |
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| 12:55.55 | equex | but its like its a bad connection. keep disconnecting and fails to connect when i switch the devices around the hub. the hardware works in winderp. so thats ok.. |
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| 12:59.38 | colo-work | is there a clever way to query apt what's the package providing the currently running syslogd implementation on a debian box? |
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| 13:03.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | colo-work, dlocate? |
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| 13:04.26 | colo-work | CutMeOwnThroat, that's described as "fast alternative to dpkg -L and dpkg -S" - I have no trouble chaining those two however; does that offer anything the two little siblings can't do? |
| 13:04.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, just is faster |
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| 13:07.03 | jelly | colo-work: also, something along the lines of aptitude search '~i~Psystem-log-daemon' |
| 13:07.28 | colo-work | jelly, thanks, will try to work with that as a starting point |
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| 13:08.10 | colo-work | is it possible for more than two syslogds to be installed in parallel? |
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| 13:08.55 | jelly | colo-work: look at their dependencies and see whether they Conflict each other or not |
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| 13:11.17 | jelly | cc |
| 13:11.27 | jelly | colo-work: eg. apt-cache show sysklogd rsyslog syslog-ng |egrep '^Package:|^Provides:|^Conflicts:' |
| 13:12.20 | colo-work | thanks jelly; great advice, as always :) |
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| 13:22.18 | sunnyblack | Is this the right channel for hardware help? |
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| 13:22.30 | centrx | sunnyblack, Try ##hardware |
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| 13:22.57 | sunnyblack | centrx, thans but no one is there |
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| 13:23.23 | mark06 | what happens if I create a debian/quilt subdir and make .pc into a symlink to there? |
| 13:23.57 | centrx | sunnyblack, Wait a couple hours |
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| 13:24.31 | centrx | sunnyblack, It sure looks like people are there. I got a response immediately |
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| 13:25.22 | centrx | sunnyblack, You're not even in the channel |
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| 13:28.39 | centrx | /msg nickserv help register |
| 13:28.58 | centrx | /msg nickserv help |
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| 13:30.07 | Anarch | On the wheezy livecd with framebuffer disabled (so it's 25x80) `man foo` is fine, paging with less. However, sshing into the same livecd from a machine with a 63-row xterm gets a shell session in which LINES=63 but `man foo` displays only 25 lines, and can't scroll down. Even running 'man foo >_' produces a text file in _ that seems to have just those 25 lines, not the full man page. Any idea what's wrong, or how to disable whatever magic is happening so I ge |
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| 13:30.17 | example | Hi |
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| 13:31.50 | Walex | Anarch: 'man stty' the 'columns' and 'rows' settingds. |
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| 13:32.47 | Anarch | Walex: I checked those, thanks. Also, I think I just realized what's wrong: the machine I'm running ssh on isn't using UTF-8, it's using Latin-1, and the UTF-8 chars are breaking the pager. If I could turn those off I could read the man page. |
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| 13:34.00 | Walex | Anarch: export LANG=en_US.Latin-1 |
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| 13:34.04 | Walex | or something |
| 13:34.12 | dalias | walex, that's backwards |
| 13:34.20 | dalias | ideally anarch should fix the remote machine to use UTF-8 |
| 13:34.25 | Walex | dalias: on the target system... |
| 13:34.37 | dalias | walex, on the local system? UHG that's a broken fix... |
| 13:34.57 | Anarch | Walex: trying it ... |
| 13:35.03 | dalias | anarch, if possible, just set the remote system to use either a UTF-8 locale or the C locale |
| 13:35.05 | Walex | dalias: the target system is 7/Wheezy so it defaults to ITF-8. It is the source system that is Latin-1 |
| 13:35.32 | dalias | walex, well it's still the wrong fix. |
| 13:35.40 | dalias | the right fix is to set whichever system is not using utf-8 to use utf-8 |
| 13:35.41 | Anarch | Walex: Your hack had 2 effects: (1) Barfs "man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct". (2) Causes the display to work correctly! |
| 13:36.03 | Walex | Anarch: no, it causes the display to work in 'C' locale, close to Latin-1. |
| 13:36.05 | ddman | How do i mirror a site that has username/password as login ? |
| 13:36.14 | Anarch | Walex: I bet that's it. |
| 13:36.39 | dalias | ddman, wget can take username/password options |
| 13:36.41 | Anarch | Walex: Yes, 'export LANG=C' removes the barfage and makes man pages work. Thanks! |
| 13:36.58 | Walex | Anarch: Anarch export LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-1 may be more precise |
| 13:37.17 | Walex | Anarch: if the liveCD has got that encoding... |
| 13:37.51 | dalias | don't do what walex said. it badly breaks the system. |
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| 13:37.59 | Anarch | Walex: No, it doesn't have it. This is the "standard" livecd, the smallest one (because I have a box of blanks that size, and livecds are a good use for them). |
| 13:38.01 | dalias | fix your ssh client side |
| 13:38.33 | dalias | what's the client-side system? |
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| 13:39.37 | dalias | LC_CTYPE should be set to some utf-8 locale (e.g. en_US.UTF-8) before xterm is started |
| 13:39.38 | Walex | Anarch: what <dalias> is hinting is that the target system is *designed* for UTF-8, that is, it is not encoding independent. So there may be glitches of other nature, but unlikely. |
| 13:40.42 | Anarch | Walex: Right, but what I'm trying to do is display simple man pages on a livecd, and worrying about niceties like Unicode is inappropriate. |
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| 13:41.31 | Anarch | Walex: When using a livecd, it's typically an installation situation or a server hack, maybe in a server room; essential utilities like 'man foo' have to Just Work. |
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| 13:42.07 | Anarch | That the remote system isn't using UTF-8 is obviously borkage, but isn't relevant to using the livecd. |
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| 13:46.47 | Soly | bye, guys... see you tomorrow |
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| 13:48.13 | ikonia | if I have a debian 6 kernal package that has been pinned within /etc/apt/preferences, I've commented out the pinning, and run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64. but it doesn't see the package for the upgrade |
| 13:48.42 | abrotman | ikonia: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 13:48.43 | ikonia | apt-cache policy linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 see's the later available package, so I'm assuming it's the pinning thats still stopping it, but I don't understand why after commenting it out of /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 13:49.10 | ikonia | abrotman: thank you, happy to run that, but why is apt-get not behaving ? |
| 13:49.28 | centrx | ikonia, That package is only in backports. Do you have backports in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 13:49.29 | abrotman | ikonia: FIIK .. I suspect it has more to do with backports than your pinning |
| 13:49.53 | ikonia | centrx: yes, backports is enabled |
| 13:49.56 | webuser2232 | hello, what is the correct way to make debian report xterm-256color as $TERM? |
| 13:50.04 | ikonia | abrotman: interesting |
| 13:50.07 | abrotman | export TERM=xterm-256color |
| 13:50.14 | ikonia | using aptitude found no package to upgrade either |
| 13:50.21 | webuser2232 | abrotman, system wide |
| 13:50.34 | ikonia | yes it did - sorry |
| 13:50.38 | ikonia | I masde a typo |
| 13:50.44 | abrotman | ikonia: all good? |
| 13:50.47 | ikonia | no, it didn't |
| 13:50.57 | ikonia | no, it's re-installed the same version as is already there |
| 13:51.05 | ikonia | this is most odd, never seen this behviour |
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| 13:51.13 | ikonia | Unpacking linux-image-amd64 (from .../linux-image-amd64_3.2+46~bpo60+1_amd64.deb) ... |
| 13:51.32 | ikonia | already have that version.... |
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| 13:51.53 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 13:51.54 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.15-rc8-686-pae (3.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.7-1); jessie: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.5-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 13:52.05 | abrotman | ikonia: it's doing what you told it? |
| 13:52.07 | ikonia | apt-cache policy shows 3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1 0 |
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| 13:53.19 | yann2 | small debhelper question - shouldn't dh_installinit also add the init files to the conffiles file? |
| 13:53.40 | yann2 | lintian is complaining about this :( |
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| 13:55.32 | ikonia | so from my perspective, I see this as the available kernels http://paste.debian.net/106011/ |
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| 13:56.12 | webuser2232 | ok, maybe I'm asking a wrong question. Why isn't debian assigning xterm-256color by default for 256 colors capable configurations? |
| 13:56.32 | ikonia | I don't see how the 3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1 0 is not getting installed, but the 3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1 remains |
| 13:57.03 | ikonia | is this my local mirror conflicting ? |
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| 13:58.08 | abrotman | check themirrors |
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| 13:58.16 | abrotman | like themills, but themirrors |
| 13:58.23 | themill | moo |
| 13:58.27 | themill | yann2: a different dh helper does this. |
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| 13:58.48 | yann2 | themill, oh? which one? |
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| 13:59.10 | themill | yann2: dh_installdeb marks everything in /etc as being a conffile. |
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| 14:00.23 | yann2 | ah that's it I was running dh_installinit straight after installdeb.. thanks! |
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| 14:00.45 | themill | yann2: you perhaps want to look at the dh sequencer. It runs things in the right order for you |
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| 14:01.25 | yann2 | will do, thanks! |
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| 14:06.40 | Cpuroast | surprised the flooding of logs with: mpt-statusd: detected non-optimal RAID status |
| 14:06.46 | Cpuroast | hasn't been fixed yet |
| 14:07.16 | zykotick9 | webuser2232: does "update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator" show the xterm 256 colour as an option? |
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| 14:09.39 | webuser2232 | zykotick9, nope, it doesn't |
| 14:09.59 | zykotick9 | webuser2232: ummmm. well, good luck. |
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| 14:10.32 | webuser2232 | but should it? |
| 14:10.49 | zykotick9 | webuser2232: probably not... it was a guess on my part. |
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| 14:11.22 | dash__ | Hello, how to patch diff file from file1 and file2, but do not remove lines from file1, only append them from file2? |
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| 14:11.55 | webuser2232 | zykotick9, ok, thanks anyway |
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| 14:18.04 | ikonia | abrotman: my local repo was causing the problem, thanks for the tip |
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| 14:36.58 | kfogel | I tried to use 'unetbootin' (on a working Debian GNU/Linux 'testing' dist system) to create a bootable USB stick, so I could install Debian on another computer. But the USB stick doesn't boot the other machine (other, older USB sticks *do* boot it, so it's not a BIOS issue.) http://paste.lisp.org/display/142947 has the contents of the new USB stick. |
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| 14:41.43 | themill | sounds like a fairly standard unetbootin story |
| 14:42.05 | kfogel | themill: Oh :-). IOW: "It doesn't usually work" ? |
| 14:42.12 | themill | although normally it does boot but fails to install |
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| 14:42.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell kfogel -about usb install |
| 14:42.52 | kfogel | themill: Interesting -- I'll talk to dpkg as babilen recommends |
| 14:43.03 | kfogel | dpkg: tell kfogel about usb install |
| 14:43.14 | babilen | ... |
| 14:43.18 | themill | yes, just copy the image onto the device rather than breaking it with unetbootin |
| 14:43.36 | kfogel | babilen: (thanks -- I thought your "-" in "-about" was a typo, but actually there was just a delay before dpkg's privmsg reached me) |
| 14:43.37 | babilen | kfogel: You should have received the same private message from our bot twice now. Check for new tabs or windows in your IRC client. |
| 14:44.12 | babilen | kfogel: No, the "-" makes sure that dpkg doesn't also tell *me* what it told *you* :) |
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| 14:44.25 | kfogel | babilen: gotcha |
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| 14:44.48 | kfogel | babilen: Anyway, thank you. I was already at that page; that's what I fall back to whenever unetbootin fails me, which has been the last few times, so I guess I should stop trying with unetbootin. |
| 14:45.17 | babilen | unetbootin is simply broken for Debian images (not sure about other things) |
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| 14:45.46 | babilen | But then I consider a "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" to be a *very* easy way of creating an image. |
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| 14:46.32 | babilen | I mean there is very little that could be done to make that even easier :) |
| 14:46.57 | dash__ | how to merge 2 files like in sdiff while accpting both versions automatically? |
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| 14:47.08 | mikey | babilen: i don't know if that works, but i'd probably use dd. |
| 14:47.10 | kfogel | babilen: me too. But one thing that always confuses me when I go to get the CD or DVD image is that once I actually arrive at the download directory (for example, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64.sig/iso-dvd/), there are *three* DVD images, "-1", "-2", and "-3". |
| 14:47.30 | babilen | mikey: dd will be slower by default and has a much less intuitive syntax than cp |
| 14:47.31 | kfogel | babilen: so it's not quite clear to me whether I need to cp or dd all 3, or just the first one, or... |
| 14:47.49 | kfogel | babilen, mikey: I usually use dd, but either way works |
| 14:47.49 | mikey | babilen: Why would dd be slower? |
| 14:48.16 | babilen | kfogel: The entirety of the DVD images contain *all* Debian packages. You do not need those for the installation but only if you want to install packages later *and* are not connected to the internet |
| 14:48.19 | themill | kfogel: you can only have one image on the usb stick |
| 14:48.57 | kfogel | babilen, themill: In other words, I could just put "debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso" on the USB stick (bootably, with direct dd or cp to the device), and then boot the new machine from that, and do the rest via netinstall? |
| 14:48.57 | babilen | mikey: Because it does not scale the blocksize dynamically as cp does. You can, however, choose a *better* blocksize with "bs=4M", but cp scales that based on actual data. |
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| 14:49.12 | babilen | kfogel: exactly |
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| 14:49.40 | babilen | kfogel: Note that dd is neither needed nor the best solution for this. |
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| 14:50.04 | kfogel | babilen: Wow. Thank you. That is wonderful to know; if I am a good citizen I should submit a patch to the docs, because between the installation guide and the actual web directory with the images, there is a breakdown in the instructions and this is never made clear. |
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| 14:51.25 | babilen | The common misconception that dd has some form of superpower that cp does not is baffling me. IMHO one should only use dd if one actually needs some of its features that differentiate it from cp, like "copy the first 512bytes from foo" or "copy 10M from foo/bar to /foo/baz with an offset of 4 block (each 1M)" |
| 14:52.00 | babilen | And then dcfldd is a better tool :) |
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| 14:52.09 | jelly | commands with arcane syntax deserve to have arcane powers |
| 14:52.14 | jelly | see: find |
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| 14:53.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell kfogel -about testing installer |
| 14:53.48 | babilen | kfogel: IOW: YMMV |
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| 14:54.12 | mikey | kfogel: you're better off using netinstall. |
| 14:54.21 | babilen | kfogel: I typically recommend to use the netinstall image(s) (with firmware) if needed *iff* the box I am installing on can be connected to the internet |
| 14:54.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell kfogel -about firmware image |
| 14:54.31 | mikey | that way, you won't have to spend hours doing an apt-get upgrade following installation. |
| 14:54.37 | mikey | you just get the newest software right away. |
| 14:55.16 | babilen | And you can grab a much smaller image to begin with |
| 14:55.22 | kfogel | babilen: well, I've had some trouble with older installers on this new box (hard drive partitioning issues), so I actually am trying the new installer. |
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| 14:55.46 | babilen | kfogel: Sure -- sorry that we still haven't managed to make a stable installer with a backported available. |
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| 14:57.33 | kfogel | babilen: No worries -- thank you for your help. I have learned much today! |
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| 15:05.53 | sebastian_ | hi |
| 15:06.44 | sebastian_ | can someone help me with php |
| 15:06.53 | centrx | !ask |
| 15:06.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:08.44 | sebastian_ | so i uddate my wordpress yesturday and now when i access to my page it showing me all the php code |
| 15:08.49 | sebastian_ | of my pages |
| 15:09.30 | centrx | sebastian_, This question sounds like you might want to ask in #php or #wordpress |
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| 15:09.36 | SPF | I'm looking for a one-liner that checks if a directory exists, if not creates it |
| 15:10.15 | sebastian_ | but i access to it before |
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| 15:11.38 | peterrooney | SPF: mkdir directory 2>/dev/ null # but a better question is, what are you trying to do? |
| 15:12.21 | SPF | I'm writing a script which needs a temporary directory to store files |
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| 15:14.00 | centrx | SPF, With bash I think it's: if [ ! -e dirname ]; then |
| 15:14.32 | centrx | SPF, mkdir -p might also work |
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| 15:16.03 | dutchfish | centrx, not debian specific, but hope this gets you going http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-check-if-a-directory-exists-in-a-bash-shellscript/ |
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| 15:16.14 | centrx | SPF, ^ |
| 15:16.58 | dutchfish | oops, sorry centrx that was ment for SPF |
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| 15:18.47 | lj1102 | hello, i'm having some weird issue here. when running an application through terminal everything works fine, but when using /bin/sh -c "app" i'm getting an error in regards of missing/not found shared libraries. Why could that be ? |
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| 15:19.41 | lj1102 | Exact error message: Command failed: /var/www/bin/test: error while loading shared libraries: test.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 15:21.07 | dutchfish | lj1102, either the libs needed by that application are not in the search path, or the id/guid the application runs under has no access rights to the libs, statically or dynamically. |
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| 15:22.36 | lj1102 | dutchfish: I've created a symlink of the lib in /lib which should be in the searchpath right? |
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| 15:23.02 | dutchfish | lj1102, symlink or hardlink? and is the user apache? |
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| 15:24.08 | lj1102 | dutchfish: symlink, command is executed by an application running with user privs |
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| 15:24.30 | jelly | lj1102: what exactly does "ldd /var/www/bin/test" say? |
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| 15:24.36 | jelly | !paste |
| 15:24.36 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 15:25.51 | lj1102 | dutchfish: gives me test.so => not found |
| 15:26.12 | jelly | lj1102: pastebin the complete output, please |
| 15:26.18 | m0rd3cai-brb | how do i upgrade from 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7 to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u10 |
| 15:26.22 | dutchfish | lj1102, likely that user has no searchpath to the lib |
| 15:26.25 | m0rd3cai-brb | apt-get only find 7 not 10 |
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| 15:26.32 | m0rd3cai-brb | openssl |
| 15:26.40 | jelly | m0rd3cai-brb: check your sources.list, /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list |
| 15:27.02 | jelly | m0rd3cai-brb: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u11 is the latest anyway! |
| 15:27.05 | lj1102 | dutchfish: but running it with the very same user from terminal works right away |
| 15:27.52 | jelly | judd: v libssl1.0.0 |
| 15:27.53 | judd | Package: libssl1.0.0 on i386 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u11; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u11; jessie: 1.0.1h-3; sid: 1.0.1h-3; experimental: 1.0.2~beta1-1 |
| 15:28.06 | dutchfish | lj1102, sure, prolly because the current dir is the one where the lib can be found, that might be not the case when ran from a shellscript as that user. |
| 15:28.44 | lj1102 | jelly: http://pastebin.com/Z7XLjPjj |
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| 15:29.08 | m0rd3cai-brb | shit. i just realized im in debian and not #kali-linux |
| 15:29.09 | dutchfish | lj1102, either place that lib, where it should belong for any lib, or check the search path from your app/script and/or the current dir |
| 15:29.15 | m0rd3cai-brb | i cant use deb repos |
| 15:29.45 | Rovanion | My rsync is stuck at ir-chk=2858/13917 and hasn't been doing anything for about an hour. |
| 15:29.48 | jelly | lj1102: is the output still the same after running ldconfig as root? |
| 15:29.58 | Rovanion | Is there any good way of debugging it? |
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| 15:30.27 | lj1102 | dutchfish: you're right, I have the lib directly next to the executable, moving it away breaks it |
| 15:30.33 | Rovanion | The kernel is consuming the cpu best it can, and that's abuot it.. |
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| 15:31.25 | jelly | Rovanion: you wouldn't be rsyncing a virtual fs or some horribly huge sparse file? |
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| 15:31.48 | dutchfish | lj1102, a crude hack would be to place that lib also in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ but study the new maintainers guide how to build a package and where you libs should go |
| 15:31.52 | jelly | Rovanion: lsof -np PID-OF-rsync to see which files it has open |
| 15:32.54 | jelly | dutchfish, lj1102: /usr/local/lib is in default ld.so path |
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| 15:33.23 | dutchfish | jelly, yes |
| 15:33.28 | jelly | (fsvo default... cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf) |
| 15:33.37 | Rovanion | jelly: It has libraries, itself, a socket, a pts, the target directory and the / directory open. |
| 15:34.11 | jelly | Rovanion: no file? Is that the only rsync process on this machine? |
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| 15:35.50 | lj1102 | dutchfish, jelly: i would prefer a solution that can be done without root privs because of automatic deployment of my application i do not want(while i could) run anything as root. |
| 15:36.33 | Rovanion | jelly: No there are actually four of them.. I thought I termineted the old ones with ^C but... |
| 15:36.51 | dutchfish | lj1102, the best solution is to wrap that lib as a package and your main application in a separate one, then you simply can deploy it over a privat repo. |
| 15:36.55 | jelly | lj1102: build with libtest statically then. |
| 15:37.26 | jelly | lj1102: package mgt of any kind requires root |
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| 15:37.51 | dutchfish | jelly, yup yup, in either case |
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| 15:38.45 | lj1102 | dutchfish, jelly: thanks for your help, I'll probably end up doing a static build then. |
| 15:39.06 | jelly | and if you want to do it with sane packages resembling debian policy, you'll definitely need root. Messing with LD_PRELOAD or LD_LIBRARY_PATH is best avoided |
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| 15:39.54 | jelly | (slightly less messy, including a custom RPATH for your .so libs in your binary) |
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| 15:40.46 | Rovanion | One of these rsyncs won't die even of a SIGKILL. What do I do now? |
| 15:41.09 | lj1102 | jelly: shouldnt i be able to just build one big huge executable including everything? |
| 15:41.45 | dutchfish | lj1102, not if you want to have a comfortable way of maintaining and deploying it in the future |
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| 15:43.09 | lj1102 | well ... I just want to deliver it together with my server |
| 15:43.56 | dutchfish | lj1102, and what if your server needs updates and that update breaks your cute little app, because it doesnt obey debians policy? |
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| 15:44.56 | dutchfish | lj1102, you cant beat dpkg and its friends |
| 15:45.15 | jelly | Rovanion: this can happen when a filesystem misbehaves, esp. if it's a network share of some sort |
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| 15:46.17 | lj1102 | dtuchfish: :/ you're right thats an issue... what about compiling it from source on the target system? |
| 15:47.58 | dutchfish | lj1102, to my humble opionion, learn that new maintainers handbook by hearth, you do yourself, your customers a real big feavor and the knowledge you gain by doing so. |
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| 15:50.36 | lj1102 | dutchfish: thanks for your input, I'll keep it in mind but what i need right now is a fast solution, a "works within the next few hours" solution. When I achieved that, i'll take the time to do it "the right way". |
| 15:50.49 | dutchfish | lj1102, fair enough |
| 15:51.07 | dutchfish | lj1102, good luck |
| 15:51.37 | lj1102 | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 15:51.45 | dutchfish | yw |
| 15:51.49 | fishcooker | why i can't commit the directories on svn even i do # svn add *... please take a look this message http://pastebin.com/HzQ716R2 |
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| 15:54.40 | jelly | fishcooker: they already exist in the repo? |
| 15:54.58 | jelly | fishcooker: do you want to commit the changes in their contents instead? |
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| 16:20.24 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 16:20.24 | dpkg | <linuxrules> i dont have problems with languaje |
| 16:20.29 | subopt | I've put a couple of useful fonts in my ~/.fonts/ dir, and run `fc-cache`. It's easy to select them in Emacs, but how do i refer to them when starting an xterm? They don't show in xfontsel. |
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| 16:22.54 | jelly | subopt: read about -fa and faceName in xterm manual |
| 16:23.11 | subopt | jelly: thanks |
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| 16:24.17 | jelly | and I guess -fs (faceSize), too |
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| 16:33.29 | terribleplan | hey, has anyone had success with setting up an immutable mount point? Some things I've read say to `chattr +i /mnt/point` but when the NFS mounts it doesn't magically become mutable, which seems to be implied by the articles. |
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| 16:36.37 | Reelax | im trying to mount a encrypted partition. i mounted before and unmounted. Now it says "Device myFlash already exists. |
| 16:36.37 | Reelax | " How can i delete a previously created one ? |
| 16:38.06 | zykotick9 | Reelax: fyi, unmounting does not close the encrypted mapper, so unmounting will have two steps. sounds like the encrypted volume "myFlash" is still open... best of luck. |
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| 16:49.43 | doebi | *offtopic-question incoming* #grammar 'we did play' vs. 'we played' ? whats correct |
| 16:50.20 | terribleplan | either, depending on context |
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| 16:55.22 | oxez | Hello, is it possible to install wheezy (7.5) to a MBR-partitionned disk? It keeps asking me for an EFI file/path if I do manual partitionning.. |
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| 16:59.03 | terribleplan | more generally: How would you go about making sure not to fill / if an nfs mount fails? |
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| 17:01.45 | abrotman | doebi: ##English IIRC |
| 17:02.00 | abrotman | terribleplan: you probably don't .. |
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| 17:04.01 | johndoe | can someone lend me a hand... "apt-get install qtcreator" pulls in qt4. is it possible to use qt5 somehow? |
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| 17:04.59 | terribleplan | abrotman, that doesn't make sense though, if you follow good partitioning scheme and make / small, and mount in /home as a large directory, and it fails for whatever reason, then you will end up with all sorts of issues |
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| 17:05.13 | terribleplan | *large partition |
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| 17:06.23 | abrotman | terribleplan: okay .. what's your point? |
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| 17:09.43 | terribleplan | abrotman, http://serverfault.com/a/314022 & http://serverfault.com/a/570271 say that chattry +i is the way to go, but mine never becomes mutable on mount, so there must be an answer somewhere. |
| 17:09.51 | terribleplan | *chattr |
| 17:09.52 | abrotman | oh jesus .. |
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| 17:17.40 | jelly-home | terribleplan: is there a point to that exercise? |
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| 17:19.21 | jelly-home | I mean, just how often does your workflow make you write to directories used as mountpoints and why? |
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| 17:23.36 | terribleplan | I am in a VM that has a small local disk and another larger NFS mount, the data gets written to the mount and the system lives locally. |
| 17:23.48 | Reelax | zykotick9: how to close the device ? |
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| 17:27.47 | colonolGron | i would like to install debian on a macbook pro retina, do i have to keep something in mind before trying this? |
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| 17:32.47 | zykotick9 | Reelax: i use "cryptsetup luksClose foo", replacing foo with the mapper name (possibly myFlash in your case?) |
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| 17:33.43 | zykotick9 | Reelax: one way to check on names is "ls /dev/mapper" |
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| 17:34.28 | jelly-home | terribleplan: you can simply make sure your app writes data to a subdirectory on the nfs mount that does not, and will never exist on the / filesystem, when the network share is unmounted |
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| 17:36.12 | terribleplan | hmm, that seems to be the component i was missing, i see little point to having something mounted just to immediately use a sub directory for the one applications, but that should work. thanks |
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| 17:55.21 | haze_ | is there a good graphical partitioning program that is able to resize my disc that I have installed debian on |
| 17:55.44 | tubaman | haze_: try gparted |
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| 17:56.09 | tubaman | I've had good luck with that |
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| 17:59.10 | haze_ | tubaman thank you |
| 18:00.00 | tubaman | haze_: np |
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| 18:02.42 | haze_ | 20GB for /home isnt that enough ? |
| 18:03.14 | haze_ | I'm mainly going to use it as seedbox so though that I could change it so the saved files would be on a drive for it self |
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| 18:04.45 | GuidovanPossum | make sure to shield the drive so the roots won't get to it though |
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| 18:06.07 | RoyK | haze_: so long as you use lvm and leave some space for future needs, it should be fine |
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| 18:06.55 | average | hey, I have a brittle understanding of DNS. so currently my understanding is that BIND keeps a cache of its own which can be cleared with "rndc flush" on the DNS server. But a client machine that's has already used that DNS server.. does it also cache the lookups? and if so, how can I flush the cache there as well? I have tried nsupdate and then wrote "update delete *" and then "send" and I got some error |
| 18:07.03 | average | what's the proper way of doing this ? |
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| 18:07.55 | average | so my main problem is, I can still do lookups to some things I shouldn't be able to |
| 18:08.21 | average | and I am tempted to think that is happening because the machine that's using the DNS, hasn't had its cache(if there is such a cache) flushed yet |
| 18:08.28 | average | and I'm not sure how to flush said cache |
| 18:08.29 | haze_ | RoyK I have 10Gig's for / and 1gig swap |
| 18:08.50 | average | also, how do you normally debug DNS related setups ? |
| 18:09.04 | average | what are the tools du jour for this sort of thing ? |
| 18:09.10 | RoyK | haze_: lvm? |
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| 18:09.43 | jmcnaught | average: is the problem with a domain that you control, and you've changed records but the client you're using still sees the old or deleted records? |
| 18:10.01 | average | jmcnaught: yes exactly |
| 18:10.09 | average | well, said domain is actually just my home network |
| 18:10.14 | haze_ | RoyK don't know what that is, do I have that ? |
| 18:10.32 | haze_ | only got those mentioned and extended drive |
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| 18:11.06 | jmcnaught | average: and the clients, are they using this bind server as their nameserver in resolv.conf, or something else like dnsmasq running on your router? |
| 18:11.07 | Viproz | Hello, I have a problem with my X server or boot I don't know, when I launch my PC I get the usual log but then the screen become black with an error log "cifs default security mechanism requested" and the login screen never appears, no error log in Xorg.0.log, do you know where I could see what's happening ? |
| 18:11.07 | average | I've followed this tutorial to set it up http://ulyssesonline.com/2007/11/07/how-to-setup-a-dns-server-in-ubuntu/ |
| 18:11.38 | average | jmcnaught: the clients(just one actually) are using the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf yes |
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| 18:12.06 | haze_ | RoyK Is it the total disc space, I cant seem to understand what it is even though I can read that it is volume manager |
| 18:12.59 | jmcnaught | average: well one factor here is the TTL on the domain records. In the sample zone files in that link, the TTL is set to 3 days, which tells any DNS resolver to cache that record for 3 days (TTL is Time To Live) |
| 18:13.35 | RoyK | haze_: pastebin output of "vgs", "pvs", "lvs" and "cat /proc/partitions" |
| 18:14.19 | average | jmcnaught: what do you think ? |
| 18:14.22 | jmcnaught | average: if you use "dig foo.example.com" in the "AUTHORITY SECTION" in the results beside the record is how much time is left on until the record expires from a cache |
| 18:14.30 | Artej | hi |
| 18:14.48 | Artej | can I use grub legacy without breaking grub2? |
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| 18:15.10 | RoyK | Artej: it'll install in the same place, the MBR, so probably not |
| 18:15.14 | haze_ | RoyK maybe I should have told you i'm new to linux, now you know.. But when i use the "vgs","pvs","lvs" commands it tells me the commands is not found |
| 18:15.36 | Artej | I need to writ legacy grub to usb removable drive once |
| 18:15.47 | RoyK | haze_: then you don't have LVM. pastebin output of "df -h" and "cat /proc/partitions" |
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| 18:16.00 | average | jmcnaught: can I force delete those entries in a way that overrides the TTL ? |
| 18:16.08 | jmcnaught | average: if your client is configured to use the authoritative name server for that domain as its resolver, I would think you wouldn't have this problem. But if there is another name server in the way (possibly even a stub resolver built into a browser) it could be caching based on the TTL |
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| 18:16.34 | Artej | can I run grub without installing? |
| 18:16.38 | fordcars | Hi |
| 18:16.59 | iateadonut | Artej, yes; i've always found the grub command line difficult, though. |
| 18:17.06 | jmcnaught | average: you can try, but it won't have any effect on external name servers that have already cached that record. Any external nameserver/resolver won't try looking up that domain again until the TTL expires |
| 18:17.11 | iateadonut | what is it you want to do, specifically? |
| 18:17.29 | haze_ | RoyK: pastebin.com/XGYfgwLP |
| 18:17.41 | average | jmcnaught: ok I can try but how.. |
| 18:17.58 | average | jmcnaught: I'm pretty much out of options right now, I've tried everything I was able to find on the subject |
| 18:19.19 | fordcars | Can I get some help on apt-get? I am trying to get glib-2.17 on wheezy, but I am having difficultis getting it from the testing repo. I added the address in sources.list, but when I 'sudo apt-get -t testing install libc6-dev', it says 'E: The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources' |
| 18:19.21 | jmcnaught | average: you may want to use a TTL of a couple hours until your records are not going to get changed very much |
| 18:19.44 | average | jmcnaught: so I would have to wait until things expire? can I circumvent that somehow ? |
| 18:20.24 | RoyK | haze_: seems sda6 and sdb aren't in use |
| 18:20.28 | average | also does bind have some logs somewhere ? |
| 18:20.29 | Viproz | I have a black screen where I should have a login screen, if I go to the F6 term and do a startx all is working to you know where I could find logs of the problem ? |
| 18:20.36 | average | jmcnaught: also does bind have some logs somewhere ? |
| 18:20.46 | RoyK | haze_: is this a physical machine? |
| 18:21.08 | RoyK | haze_: and what architecture? |
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| 18:23.48 | jmcnaught | average: to circumvent the TTL you need to figure out where in the resolver chain it's being cached. Restarting bind should flush its own cache. bind logs to syslog and daemon.log, mostly as "named" |
| 18:23.55 | Reelax | zykotick9: i deleted the file in dev, so it should already be gone. |
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| 18:24.51 | haze_ | RoyK I had to unmount sda6 to resize, sda2 is another drive that has old files on it from last used windows system |
| 18:25.01 | jmcnaught | average: also pay close attention to the serial number on records. it always needs to increment. if it's unchanged, other resolvers might not realize the record has been updated. accidentally using a lower serial number can also cause problems. |
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| 18:25.27 | haze_ | RoyK It's an old Pentium 4 system I'm working to get up and running as seedbox |
| 18:25.32 | jmcnaught | average: you might also want to ask in #bind, they probably know more than i do :) |
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| 18:26.18 | n2diy | Have a clean install of Wheezy 7.5, with flashplugin non-free installed, and it won't play any flash media? |
| 18:26.54 | Viproz | n2diy, on chromium ? |
| 18:27.03 | RoyK | haze_: still, seems you have a lot of space there. use lvm on it |
| 18:27.06 | Viproz | (or chrome) |
| 18:27.21 | average | jmcnaught: I was just able to flush the cache via "sudo rndc flush; sudo /etc/init.d/bind9 restart;" |
| 18:27.37 | RoyK | haze_: and you don't have to unmount an ext4 filesystem to resize it :P |
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| 18:27.48 | average | jmcnaught: I checked that it was indeed flushed via "sudo rndc dumpdb; cat /var/cache/bind/named_dump.db;" |
| 18:27.50 | RoyK | (unless you want to shrink it) |
| 18:27.54 | average | jmcnaught: and it was indeed empty |
| 18:28.06 | average | jmcnaught: but surprise surprise, after I do one single nslookup ! on the client machine... |
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| 18:28.26 | n2diy | Viproz, on iceweasel and chromium 35.0 |
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| 18:28.34 | average | jmcnaught: and I dump the cache again (as mentioned above in named_dump.db) , it again starts to fill up |
| 18:28.50 | average | jmcnaught: although I have explicit rules that it shouldn't go to all sorts of places to get stuff... |
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| 18:28.54 | haze_ | RoyK I won't let me resize it in Gpart without unmount |
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| 18:29.35 | haze_ | and im not sure on how to use lvm |
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| 18:30.10 | Viproz | n2diy, on iceweasel I never tested but on chromium you need to install pepperflash but it's not in apt, use that link to install it : https://scottlinux.com/2014/05/19/install-pepper-flash-and-chromium-on-debian-linux/ |
| 18:31.27 | jmcnaught | average: i've found dig more useful than nslookup for troubleshooting. The named you're flushing the cache on, is that the authoritative named for the domain? |
| 18:31.51 | n2diy | Viproz, ok, should I uninstall flashplugin non-free? |
| 18:32.37 | Viproz | n2diy, I have no idea if it is used elsewhere |
| 18:32.55 | n2diy | Viproz, ok |
| 18:33.00 | RoyK | haze_: resizing what? |
| 18:33.08 | RoyK | haze_: /home? |
| 18:33.47 | RoyK | haze_: you don't have a /home filesystem, just a small root |
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| 18:35.13 | RoyK | haze_: if you have little space on /home, create a new LV for /home, make an fs on it, rsync the data over and mount it |
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| 18:37.50 | average | jmcnaught: I'm not flushing a particular named, I just do sudo rndc flush. I would expect it to go over all named entities |
| 18:37.56 | average | jmcnaught: perhaps I'm wrong ? |
| 18:38.28 | haze_ | okay like that, the home is unmounted maybe thats why you cant see it.. the sda6 is /home |
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| 18:39.08 | haze_ | but i wanted to resize that because of all the unused space on it, so I thought to give it 20gig's for /home if thats not a bit overkill |
| 18:39.10 | RoyK | haze_: then mount it and pastebin 'df -h; cat /proc/partitions' again |
| 18:39.15 | haze_ | okay |
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| 18:39.44 | RoyK | haze_: generally, I'd suggest using LVM at all times - it's far more flexible than partitions |
| 18:40.21 | mo1991 | is the xrdp protocal insecure like vnc is? meaning do I need an ssh tunnel to secure it or is it ok to use over the Internet without ssh tunnel? |
| 18:40.27 | mo1991 | using wheezy |
| 18:40.36 | haze_ | pastebin.com/SmmLVtZe |
| 18:40.46 | haze_ | RoyK ^ |
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| 18:41.08 | RoyK | haze_: ok, lots of space on /home |
| 18:41.28 | RoyK | haze_: but I'd remove that after rsyncing it back to the root if I were you |
| 18:41.37 | RoyK | haze_: or perhaps reinstall on LVM |
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| 18:42.04 | RoyK | haze_: using partitions isn't very flexible - lvm is |
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| 18:44.12 | jmcnaught | average: the name server that has this cache you're trying to flush, is it the same name server that has authority for the domain? I mean, is it the same name server that holds the zone file? |
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| 18:45.12 | average | jmcnaught: your suggestion of going to #bind was INSANELY GREAT DUDE ! |
| 18:45.22 | average | IT WAS FUCKING INSANE, I SOLVED IT, can't believe it |
| 18:45.44 | jmcnaught | average: i figured someone there would be able to help you better than i could :) |
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| 18:45.54 | average | jmcnaught: hawk helped me in #bind, it was this setting called recursion, it was somehow on, and when turned off, I flushed the stuff again and it worked |
| 18:46.10 | haze_ | RoyK how is that done?, I have 2 HDD's, the first should be partitioned into two drives? one for "/" and /home? so I can use the rest of the drive for files? |
| 18:46.17 | mo1991 | hmm - reading the x11vnc documentation, it says that it has built in encryption and authentication. Does this mean it is not insecure to use without an ssh tunnel? Seems that x11vnc used to use "plain text" passwords like telnet?? |
| 18:46.47 | sandman13 | I am trying Debian Testing on a VM, everything went fine but I can't get flashplugin working for Iceweasel, did I missed something? |
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| 18:47.03 | haze_ | RoyK Do you have an example I could look at so I get an better understanding on how that works |
| 18:47.11 | jeep | sandman13: add non-free repo |
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| 18:47.39 | jmcnaught | average: for what it's worth, most of what i learned about dns was from "Pro DNS and BIND" by Ron Aitchison, which i found to be a very decent book |
| 18:47.42 | sandman13 | jeep: there is a non-free repo |
| 18:47.47 | zykotick9 | sandman13: note flashNF is in the contrib repo |
| 18:48.50 | sandman13 | zykotick9: I have my sources listed as deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free |
| 18:48.54 | average | jmcnaught: I will definitely go over that thing. The normal approach I have to learning, since I'm a programmer, doesn't seem to apply the same way here... |
| 18:48.58 | average | well it does, but in a different way |
| 18:49.22 | average | the tools for debugging/troubleshooting, and the amount and nature of details is different |
| 18:49.32 | average | sort of out of regular territory for me |
| 18:50.00 | zykotick9 | sandman13: looks good. apt-get/aptitude update and enjoy (contrib & non-free make baby-zykotick9 cry) |
| 18:50.11 | average | plus I'm crap @ networking so that's another problem I have.. |
| 18:50.41 | sandman13 | zykotick9: hmm let me try that |
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| 18:51.36 | sandman13 | zykotick9: apt-get update reported with this error: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/PackagesIndex Hash Sum mismatch |
| 18:52.05 | jhutchins | sandman13: Try again later or try a different server. |
| 18:52.21 | sandman13 | jhutchins: okay |
| 18:52.21 | zykotick9 | sandman13: i don't know the details (i don't run testing), but that hash sum mismatch is quasi-common... |
| 18:52.52 | ByT3b0N3 | have some strange nic problems on debian 7 |
| 18:52.55 | sandman13 | zykotick9: I am thinking of switching to testing |
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| 18:53.02 | jhutchins | I think it means the list has updated but the recalculated has hasn't been posted yet. (Could be the reverse.) |
| 18:53.07 | ByT3b0N3 | http://pastebin.com/RMGrjWQ7 |
| 18:53.08 | ByT3b0N3 | http://pastebin.com/xzQfc9Ps |
| 18:53.16 | ByT3b0N3 | can someone help? |
| 18:53.33 | jhutchins | ByT3b0N3: Summarize the problem. |
| 18:53.40 | zykotick9 | sandman13: ahhh, you have "jessie" there? that's testing. wheezy is stable. |
| 18:53.47 | ByT3b0N3 | eth0 is jumping between off and on |
| 18:53.52 | ByT3b0N3 | down and up |
| 18:54.05 | jhutchins | ByT3b0N3: That is interesting. |
| 18:54.18 | ByT3b0N3 | but only since few days |
| 18:54.28 | ByT3b0N3 | time before it worked fine |
| 18:54.34 | sandman13 | zykotick9: <sandman13> I am trying Debian Testing on a VM |
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| 18:54.53 | ByT3b0N3 | but one day speed was slowed down to about 10kb/s |
| 18:55.07 | ByT3b0N3 | i have edited few things |
| 18:55.09 | ByT3b0N3 | wait |
| 18:55.17 | jhutchins | ByT3b0N3: How about dmesg | tail -20 |
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| 18:56.07 | ByT3b0N3 | wait |
| 18:56.13 | ByT3b0N3 | 123456 |
| 18:56.17 | ByT3b0N3 | :D haha |
| 18:56.23 | ByT3b0N3 | wrong terminal |
| 18:56.24 | zykotick9 | sandman13: i know most will disagree on this, but IN MY OPINION testing is a downgrade from stable, but YMMV ;) best of luck. |
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| 18:58.08 | ByT3b0N3 | can not find problems |
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| 18:58.14 | ByT3b0N3 | did a restart before |
| 19:01.03 | ByT3b0N3 | some interesting parts are on pastebin (syslog and daemon) |
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| 19:02.37 | sandman13 | zykotick9: I am running into this problem: http://paste.debian.net/106056/ |
| 19:03.00 | ByT3b0N3 | a had to do this here to get more than 10kb/s :D |
| 19:03.01 | ByT3b0N3 | http://mindmapapp.blogspot.de/2012/01/use-atheros-ar8151-ethernet-card-on.html |
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| 19:03.10 | lmat | Where can I find a newer version of wine? |
| 19:03.25 | lmat | I'm using debian 7.4. |
| 19:03.33 | lmat | wine is 1.4.1 (which seems to be pretty old) |
| 19:03.50 | ByT3b0N3 | https://github.com/mirrors/wine |
| 19:04.00 | lmat | austin987: any clues? :-P |
| 19:04.33 | lmat | ByT3b0N3: okay, so I should compile from source? No prob |
| 19:04.48 | zykotick9 | sandman13: seems the download from adobe is failing. sorry, i don't use flash so have no suggestions. |
| 19:04.50 | ByT3b0N3 | easiest one |
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| 19:05.16 | slackner | lmat: if you don't want to compile from source you could also try out wine-compholio, we provide packages for really all distros xD (but its not completely identical to vanilla wine, so don't report bugs there) |
| 19:06.01 | lmat | slackner: Thanks for the tip. If compiling wine doesn't go well, I'll tap you on the shoulder again ^_^ |
| 19:07.27 | austin987 | lmat, 1.6.2 is in testing/sid: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wine |
| 19:08.29 | jmcnaught | lmat: it's worth testing the version of wine that comes with debian to see if it works before going off and compiling something from source simply because it looks old. Also the compile instructions for debian on the wine wiki have some sketchy suggestions like manually creating dozens of symlinks for libraries.. so careful how you do things that might be difficult to reverse |
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| 19:08.43 | lmat | jmcnaught: Right. I'm asking these questions because it doesn't work ^_^ |
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| 19:12.20 | zykotick9 | lmat: sidenote, i might be remembering incorrectly, but i believe playonlinux allowed multiple quasi-sandboxed versions of wine to be installed simultariously (was good for testing). but it's been a while since i was playing with it... |
| 19:12.47 | slackner | zykotick9: lmat: wine-compholio is also a package which installs to a separate location and allows to keep the regular wine install ;) |
| 19:13.23 | lmat | darn it "Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries." :( |
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| 19:15.02 | slackner | lmat: take a look here if you need additional instructions how to build it: http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-19a01ad8edd4c4f3d8dd5a68596d585635997e13 |
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| 19:15.54 | slackner | lmat: nevertheless this page wasn't really updated since some time, so don't expect that the list of dependencies is complete ;) |
| 19:17.13 | lmat | okay, I added '--enable-win64' and installed flex and bison. So far so good... ^_^ |
| 19:17.21 | slackner | lmat: don't do that |
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| 19:17.24 | lmat | "compiling wine grab lunch..." or something |
| 19:17.27 | lmat | slackner: oh |
| 19:17.35 | slackner | lmat: then it will compile only 64-bit, but your app is most likely 32-bit |
| 19:17.46 | lmat | darn :) |
| 19:17.49 | slackner | lmat: either compile a wow64 version (=compile both 32 and 64 bit, then merge it) |
| 19:17.51 | slackner | lmat: or only 32-bit |
| 19:18.04 | lmat | slackner: okay. What 32-bit dependencies does that entail, then ? |
| 19:18.40 | slackner | lmat: afaik some of the required 32-bit development packages are not multiarch ready |
| 19:18.52 | slackner | lmat: thats why the instructions use the weird approach by creating lots of symlinks and stuff |
| 19:19.02 | slackner | lmat: the alternative is to use an lxc container |
| 19:19.16 | slackner | lmat: unfortunately debian/ubuntu makes it really difficult to compile 32bit wine on a 64-bit system ... ;) |
| 19:19.29 | lmat | darn |
| 19:19.41 | lmat | Oh yeah, there's that chroot solution... |
| 19:20.34 | lmat | slackner: you said that someone maintains packages for debian? ^_^ |
| 19:21.14 | lmat | wine-compholio! |
| 19:21.21 | slackner | lmat: there might be multiple persons, but i was talking about the packages that my team is maintaining ;) -> http://pipelight.net/cms/install/installation-debian.html |
| 19:21.38 | slackner | lmat: you don't have to install pipelight, wine-compholio is located in the same repo |
| 19:22.02 | slackner | lmat: so just add the repo and install it ;) it will be located at /opt/wine-compholio/bin/wine |
| 19:22.03 | lmat | http://www.compholio.com/wine-compholio/ ? |
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| 19:22.11 | lmat | 1.7.10 for Debian ? |
| 19:22.18 | slackner | lmat: this page is outdated |
| 19:22.23 | slackner | lmat: use the link above |
| 19:22.43 | slackner | latest is 1.7.20 |
| 19:22.52 | lmat | slackner: ahh, that looks much newer :D |
| 19:23.27 | ByT3b0N3 | so could someone help with my nic prob? |
| 19:24.26 | mtn | Ask your question and if anyone can help they will respond. |
| 19:24.42 | ByT3b0N3 | http://pastebin.com/RMGrjWQ7 |
| 19:24.44 | ByT3b0N3 | [20:53] <ByT3b0N3> http://pastebin.com/xzQfc9Ps |
| 19:25.00 | ByT3b0N3 | [20:53] <ByT3b0N3> eth0 is jumping between off and on |
| 19:25.01 | ByT3b0N3 | [20:53] <ByT3b0N3> down and up |
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| 19:25.55 | mtn | ByT3b0N3: which version of debian and how is it installed? virtual machine or hard drive? |
| 19:26.05 | ByT3b0N3 | hard drive |
| 19:26.07 | ByT3b0N3 | debian 7 |
| 19:26.27 | ByT3b0N3 | problem is here just about few days |
| 19:26.51 | ByT3b0N3 | before there was a speed slowdown |
| 19:26.53 | ByT3b0N3 | http://mindmapapp.blogspot.de/2012/01/use-atheros-ar8151-ethernet-card-on.html |
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| 19:27.08 | ByT3b0N3 | have done things from link |
| 19:27.18 | lmat | slackner: Thanks for the link! running apt-get update fails :( |
| 19:27.34 | ByT3b0N3 | not speed is ok but sometimes (not everyday) it becomes crazy |
| 19:27.36 | lmat | "GPG error: http://download.opensuse.org ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available" |
| 19:27.45 | mtn | ByT3b0N3: this problem did not exist before you made the changes? |
| 19:28.13 | ByT3b0N3 | i don't know because before there were speed problems |
| 19:28.13 | slackner | lmat: did you import the key ? |
| 19:28.20 | lmat | yup ! |
| 19:28.26 | lmat | I'll double check |
| 19:28.38 | lmat | oap, nope. missed a step! |
| 19:28.46 | ByT3b0N3 | and before speed problems eth0 was on dlan |
| 19:29.15 | lmat | slackner: So this is having me install pipelight. What does that have to do with wine ? |
| 19:29.32 | slackner | lmat: as i said, the repo contains both wine-compholio + pipelight |
| 19:29.39 | slackner | lmat: in your case installing wine-compholio is sufficient |
| 19:29.51 | slackner | lmat: just mentioned the link because of the instructions how to add the repo and stuff |
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| 19:30.35 | ByT3b0N3 | on pastebin are syslog and daemon logs |
| 19:30.59 | ByT3b0N3 | see links over |
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| 19:32.12 | lmat | slackner: okilie dokilie! |
| 19:32.58 | lmat | slackner: Okay, I followed those instructions. How do I run wine ? ^_^ |
| 19:33.21 | slackner | lmat: the new version is located at /opt/wine-compholio/bin/wine - just use that instead of "wine" |
| 19:33.35 | lmat | whoa |
| 19:33.36 | slackner | lmat: or alternatively add it to your bash profile, or whatever you like ;) |
| 19:33.43 | lmat | Did I need to install the pipe thing ? |
| 19:34.18 | slackner | lmat: no, you don't need that - its not a dependency of wine-compholio |
| 19:35.05 | subopt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.08 | lmat | oh, okay. |
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| 19:36.27 | Anuska | There is a solution to kill my husband without being seen? |
| 19:36.48 | lmat | Anuska: yes. |
| 19:37.06 | lmat | Anuska: Just look around first and make sure nobody's looking ? |
| 19:37.15 | Anuska | :) |
| 19:37.23 | ByT3b0N3 | Anuska: but this is not russian killer info channel :D |
| 19:37.32 | Anuska | uff |
| 19:37.51 | Anuska | :P oki |
| 19:37.53 | ByT3b0N3 | maybe some server in moskow |
| 19:38.09 | ByT3b0N3 | irc.putin.ru :D |
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| 19:39.11 | GuestUser123 | Metaleer is a fag |
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| 19:39.44 | jpgjpg | ciao |
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| 19:39.50 | GuestUser123 | take ur medz sycopath |
| 19:39.54 | brontosaurusrex | Anuska, pillow over the head while he is sleeping, you tell the cops he just didn't woke up ... |
| 19:39.56 | brontosaurusrex | next |
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| 19:40.28 | Anuska | yes brontosaurusrex but... they see the pillow |
| 19:41.01 | Anuska | :PPP |
| 19:41.06 | jmcnaught | maybe the murder topic could be moved to a different channel? |
| 19:42.10 | ByT3b0N3 | and someone can finally help me with this nic problem |
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| 19:45.50 | aguitel | debian boot in uefi mode ? |
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| 19:47.29 | jmcnaught | ByT3b0N3: have you tried using a different cable? is the computer connected to a router or directly to a modem? |
| 19:47.42 | ByT3b0N3 | to a adapter |
| 19:47.51 | ByT3b0N3 | have changed a lot of cables |
| 19:48.01 | ByT3b0N3 | problem is somewhere else |
| 19:48.08 | ByT3b0N3 | just now it is working perfectly |
| 19:48.09 | jmcnaught | ByT3b0N3: what kind of adapter? |
| 19:48.28 | ByT3b0N3 | tp-link n600 |
| 19:48.38 | ByT3b0N3 | tl-wa890ea |
| 19:48.44 | ByT3b0N3 | universal dual band |
| 19:48.52 | ByT3b0N3 | just wlan -> lan |
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| 19:49.29 | ByT3b0N3 | but this is not the problem i think |
| 19:49.42 | Anarch | Is there something I can type on the boot command line equivalent to telling the framebuffer to not set the font? I know how to do this with console-setup, but I want to do it for an out-of-the-box livecd without needing to install kbd onto the livecd (because doing so is slow, and the kernel font is find). |
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| 19:50.01 | ByT3b0N3 | maybe directly the ar8151 |
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| 19:50.20 | jmcnaught | ByT3b0N3: so by adapter you mean router then? And you're not having similar problems with other devices? |
| 19:50.31 | ByT3b0N3 | no |
| 19:50.46 | ByT3b0N3 | if i try it with my laptop it works fine |
| 19:50.58 | ByT3b0N3 | and on my laptop is a garbage system |
| 19:51.02 | ByT3b0N3 | ubuntu 12.04 |
| 19:51.15 | ByT3b0N3 | hardly destroyed :D |
| 19:51.23 | ByT3b0N3 | only problems with debian |
| 19:51.49 | ByT3b0N3 | and connection with laptop gives about 34mb/s |
| 19:51.54 | kisak | hello, I'm trying to install zfs on a debian wheezy / 7.5 server, and dkms appears to just stall at 'Building initial module for 3.2.0-4-amd64' and Ctrl-C does not abort the process |
| 19:51.55 | ByT3b0N3 | and debian only 9 |
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| 19:52.11 | kisak | ^ with the zfs-dkms package |
| 19:52.33 | ByT3b0N3 | before some configs with ar8151 eth0 speed was really bad |
| 19:52.37 | ByT3b0N3 | slow as hell |
| 19:53.12 | ByT3b0N3 | if someone can help please pn |
| 19:53.22 | ByT3b0N3 | I#m away for some houra |
| 19:53.27 | ByT3b0N3 | *hours |
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| 19:54.42 | jmcnaught | ByT3b0N3: "before some configs"? maybe you could pastebin the configs you're talking about. Also it's a lot easier to follow people when they don't press <enter> so much :) |
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| 20:06.59 | sandman13 | which one will be the better alternative here: Debian Stable with Backports or Debian Testing |
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| 20:08.12 | jmcnaught | sandman13: debian stable with backports (if the stuff in stable doesn't work for you, not just to get higher version numbers) is what i recommend |
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| 20:08.51 | jmcnaught | sandman13: debian testing isn't for getting newer versions, it's for testing the release and fixing bugs so that it can eventually become the next stable |
| 20:09.52 | sandman13 | jmcnaught: I was reading reviews about Debian and most of the people suggested that Testing will be fine for Desktop use |
| 20:10.17 | jmcnaught | sandman13: it's not really meant for end users, it's meant for people testing and doing bug reports |
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| 20:10.47 | sandman13 | jmcnaught: means it's perfect for a vm :D |
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| 20:11.18 | jmcnaught | sandman13: that said a lot of people use it as a desktop. it does break from time to time and security updates are slower. if you need it to work, use stable |
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| 20:12.09 | sandman13 | jmcnaught: i am trying it on VM the first bug (it's filed) I encountered is FlashPlugin |
| 20:12.43 | n2diy_ | Where should the pepperflash pluging be extracted to? |
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| 20:19.55 | athene_noctua | hello, I am wondering where the best place to put a script to load my iptables rules on startup would be? |
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| 20:20.24 | geekatcomputers | athene_noctua: rc.local |
| 20:20.25 | athene_noctua | putting them in /etc/rc.local seems to do the trick, but I am just wondering if that is the best approach |
| 20:20.38 | geekatcomputers | Oh hmmm not sure if it's the best per say |
| 20:21.15 | jmcnaught | athene_noctua: you could put the script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d |
| 20:21.58 | athene_noctua | jmcnaught: that would load the rules before the network interfaces even come up, yes? |
| 20:22.33 | petern_ | I just install iptables-persistent |
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| 20:23.22 | athene_noctua | : ) yeah, I think I had a setup like that running on an ubuntu system once. I am just curious on what the best, most secure way of doing it is, I guess. |
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| 20:24.30 | athene_noctua | if anyone thinks of anything or has any insight, feel free to /msg me. thanks for the input all. |
| 20:25.09 | petern_ | Install iptables-persistent, save the rules, let the system deal with it. |
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| 20:36.12 | DanDare | Hello. I just installed Debian with the "desktop" tick marker. When I log on Gnome I see a balloon on the upper right corner with options like "Busy" and "Available". What service these options belong to? Its some messenger client or something? |
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| 20:39.46 | babilen | DanDare: That is probably "empathy" a multi-network instant messenger client |
| 20:40.01 | DanDare | I see. Will check that, thanks |
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| 20:40.34 | jmcnaught | DanDare: you can configure accounts under gnome's "system settings > online accounts" |
| 20:40.57 | babilen | DanDare: You can configure various instant messenger accounts in "online accounts" and I guess that you toggle your availibility for all of them globally there |
| 20:40.58 | DanDare | thank you. Going to delete them instead :) |
| 20:41.01 | babilen | heh |
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| 20:43.25 | DanDare | online account is empty. That balloon thing, the strange part is that it doesnt tell what that state is referring to, if instant messengers or what |
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| 20:45.35 | Electricguy | greetings champs! |
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| 20:46.26 | Electricguy | i know we're all tired of people who just join channels and start to ask questions.. But i got a little quick one that i can't figure out.. |
| 20:46.54 | Electricguy | I need to add a double space after a bash command is printed out.. the command looks like so http://pastebin.com/Jj5UXvXh |
| 20:48.24 | Electricguy | i may add that it's sending the string to ttyUSB0.. and the problem is that i get some crap chars after the printout. The display is a 2x16 character LCD.. So if i can add a couple of empty spaces after the wanted message, i can cover the shite up |
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| 20:49.53 | DanDare | Electricguy, that maybe a better question to ##bash instead ? |
| 20:50.16 | Electricguy | oh, i didn't know there were such a channel.. |
| 20:50.22 | formorer | I have more the problem that I don't understand what he wants. |
| 20:50.23 | Electricguy | so cheers for that! |
| 20:50.33 | DanDare | :) |
| 20:50.34 | Electricguy | i think i'll stick around here anyways :) |
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| 20:55.29 | formorer | Electricguy: /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 | awk -F: '/inet addr:/ {split($2,a," "); print a[1]}' |
| 20:55.41 | formorer | we can do such things without too much pipes.. |
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| 20:58.04 | Electricguy | okey |
| 20:58.14 | Electricguy | sorry for being a noob. We all gotta start somewhere |
| 20:58.32 | formorer | I just wanted to make a little bit fun with awk |
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| 21:01.02 | Electricguy | funny. |
| 21:01.12 | Electricguy | that string works when you punch it in manually |
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| 21:01.27 | Electricguy | but in /etc/rc.local it doesn't work |
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| 21:02.11 | formorer | why shouldn't it? |
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| 21:02.25 | jbrelin | Can someone tell me why my display choices are only laptop, monitor, and both (cloned)? Why can't I pan across them anymore? Just reinstalled. |
| 21:02.42 | jbrelin | What's the missing component? |
| 21:02.54 | Electricguy | i don't know why it doesn't. But i got nothing on the display |
| 21:03.29 | jbrelin | It's only those three options which seems super weird. |
| 21:03.42 | formorer | Electricguy: and rc.local gets really executed? |
| 21:03.52 | Electricguy | yes |
| 21:04.04 | Electricguy | maybe i missed something.. gonna check it again |
| 21:04.06 | formorer | then at a set -x at the beginning |
| 21:04.10 | Electricguy | it really should work |
| 21:05.20 | Electricguy | there, it works. but i still get the crud on the display |
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| 21:15.51 | jhutchins | Electricguy: This channel exists for people to ask questions. |
| 21:15.59 | Amarande | blah. when did debian change the default vi editor from vim to something else (elvis, I'm guessing?) :( |
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| 21:16.19 | Amarande | it's a huge bear to use any other vi once you're used to vim LOL |
| 21:16.31 | Amarande | there are certain things which work with vim and just don't work with elvis or vi or whatnot :p |
| 21:16.32 | jhutchins | Amarande: I think it's nano. |
| 21:16.34 | formorer | ehm, we afaik we changed nothing. |
| 21:16.37 | jhutchins | Amarande: update alternatives |
| 21:16.43 | Amarande | yeah, installed vim, all is well |
| 21:16.47 | formorer | nano is default for... ehm 15 years? |
| 21:16.47 | Amarande | but I could swear vim used to be the default vi |
| 21:17.22 | jhutchins | Amarande: Might have been back on etch, I've fixed it on all my systems. |
| 21:17.46 | jhutchins | Amarande: I think RH still defaults to vi. |
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| 21:17.48 | Amarande | mostly, non-vim vi editors are really a pain in the bum when you're doing things like editing sources.list |
| 21:17.49 | formorer | Amarande: vim is the default vi. you mean the compatible mode of vim basic |
| 21:17.57 | Amarande | especially when you're adding contrib & non-free |
| 21:18.08 | Amarande | if there's one thing non-vim vi's *suck* at, it's adding anything at the end of a line :S |
| 21:18.24 | jhutchins | Amarande: Very annoying to type "visudo" and get nano. |
| 21:18.27 | Amarande | vim lets you cursor over to the end in insert mode, other vi's make you use a special mode just for appending |
| 21:19.02 | jhutchins | Amarande: All vi on debian is vim. |
| 21:19.20 | Amarande | nano is pico based ... should vi have any business linking to it heh |
| 21:19.41 | Amarande | next thing someone will say it's acceptable to have vi link to ed :) |
| 21:19.46 | jhutchins | Amarande: It doesn't, but the $EDITOR variable and the path to edit are variable. |
| 21:19.49 | TheQuestionmark | Stable needs some bleeding edge repo for games. |
| 21:19.59 | Amarande | TheQuestionmark: this is why I run jessie |
| 21:20.18 | jhutchins | Amarande: I expect them to link it to something that requires X. |
| 21:20.19 | TheQuestionmark | Amarande, Nah~ I feel uncomfortable when running Testing. |
| 21:20.31 | jhutchins | TheQuestionmark: As you should. |
| 21:20.37 | Amarande | Sadly, debian stable is a rock-solid dependable distro for VMs and servers, but it's really not all that great for general desktop use due to generally falling so far behind the curve :( |
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| 21:20.58 | TheQuestionmark | It's not that bad, especially with Steam. |
| 21:21.02 | jhutchins | Amarande: Been using it on the desktop for years now. |
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| 21:21.08 | TheQuestionmark | Still there are some packages that need newer libs. |
| 21:21.29 | jhutchins | I use my desktop as a tool for doing work. I need it stable, reliable, versitile. |
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| 21:21.35 | Amarande | Gaming is part of it though. Even having a gaming *PC* tends to virtually call for something newer than stable, even if you didn't game |
| 21:21.43 | jhutchins | I do not need jiggly windows. |
| 21:21.50 | Amarande | simply because you usually need testing or sid to have access to a new enough nVidia or AMD graphics driver |
| 21:22.09 | skribblezatcha | debian stable can be used on the desktop easily, but if you want newer packages you are going to run a different branch of debian, its just that simple. |
| 21:22.31 | skribblezatcha | contrary to what most think, both jessie (testing) and unstable are a bit more stable than what is believed. |
| 21:22.36 | formorer | there are up2date nvidia and amd drivers in backports. |
| 21:22.47 | jhutchins | Debian really isn't the best gaming platform. |
| 21:23.06 | formorer | thats probably the reason steam os is based on debian |
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| 21:23.19 | Amarande | formorer: still, not every stable user knows about backports, which is probably not such a good thing for debian adoption come to think of it |
| 21:23.23 | SynrGy | we don't recommend running testing or unstable here just to be more up to date. |
| 21:23.26 | Amarande | especially with the new AMD APUs being such popular choices |
| 21:23.32 | TheQuestionmark | Even backports aren't up2date. |
| 21:23.33 | skribblezatcha | for me to play supertuxkart and maybe some nintendo 64 games i am good to go but i dont have a gaming system. if i did and was using something like steam i am sure that i could game with games that have better graphics and all of that. |
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| 21:23.40 | Amarande | since every one of those, AFAIK, has a GPU too new to accept the open source driver, alas |
| 21:23.51 | skribblezatcha | since i am not a heavy gamer though i am good to go..but i do know some that say steam is nice. |
| 21:24.03 | Amarande | and especially for the lighter or non gamer users, APUs are probably perfect for a linux box |
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| 21:24.39 | Amarande | I actually was on the fence between jessie, wheezy, ubuntu 14.04, fedora 20, and freebsd 10.0-RELEASE when I chose to install jessie this time. :) |
| 21:24.50 | Amarande | wheezy is getting a little wheezy, if you get my drift, though |
| 21:24.59 | Amarande | freebsd has the same problem (most especially that Wine is way out of date) |
| 21:25.12 | jhutchins | Let us return now to Debian Support Questions. #debian-offtopic is available for philosophy. |
| 21:25.12 | skribblezatcha | thats cool Amarande. jessie is really nice. i am using sid. :) |
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| 21:25.50 | SynrGy | and for jessie/sid support questions, i want to remind you of #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
| 21:25.57 | Amarande | skribblezatcha: heh, I'm not brave enough to use full-blown sid :) |
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| 21:26.11 | SynrGy | uh |
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| 21:26.18 | Amarande | also you can't actually install straight to sid anyway, so testing is the logical choice |
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| 21:26.51 | skribblezatcha | i am banned from #debian-offtopic SynrGy. is there anyway that i can have that lifted please? |
| 21:27.10 | SynrGy | better :) |
| 21:27.28 | SynrGy | skribblezatcha: talk to whoever banned you |
| 21:27.40 | skribblezatcha | abrotman: can i talk to you please? |
| 21:28.20 | skribblezatcha | then we can talk a bit more Amarande, if i can get in there. |
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| 21:32.35 | SynrGy | skribblezatcha: or, failing that, there's priv msg |
| 21:32.42 | SynrGy | if you're mutually agreed |
| 21:33.05 | skribblezatcha | true that, and thanks SynrGy. |
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| 21:33.28 | skribblezatcha | it appears that abrotman is busy for the time being. |
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| 21:35.01 | karlo | hallo |
| 21:35.25 | brianherman | hello |
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| 21:36.06 | karlo | my first connect in irc |
| 21:36.16 | karlo | wow |
| 21:36.58 | karlo | hi brianherman wher are you from |
| 21:37.39 | jeep | karlo: your like 20 years to late for the first one |
| 21:37.56 | jmcnaught | karlo: hi karlo. this is a support channel for Debian Wheezy. If you have questions about using Debian you're in the right place, otherwise you might check out the #defocus channel :) |
| 21:38.08 | SynrGy | ##defocus |
| 21:38.12 | SynrGy | ? |
| 21:38.12 | karlo | ok |
| 21:38.23 | karlo | sorry |
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| 21:38.48 | Electricguy | woot. i figured it out |
| 21:38.55 | Amarande | wow, defocus lost its #-status? |
| 21:39.01 | SynrGy | nope |
| 21:39.04 | Electricguy | just use sed to add some spaces after the string |
| 21:39.11 | SynrGy | my confusion. there are two. but #defocus is the main one |
| 21:39.29 | SynrGy | other than just now to unconfuse myself, i've never been :) |
| 21:39.34 | Amarande | Electricguy: of course. if it has to do with text and you can't solve it with sed, awk, or perl, you probably can't do it with a computer :) |
| 21:39.34 | formorer | Electricguy: ehm? |
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| 21:40.42 | Electricguy | if i pipe the bash string to sed 's/$/ /' it puts the stated number of spaces, or whatever you like after the printout |
| 21:41.00 | formorer | /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 | awk -F: '/inet addr:/ {split($2,a," "); print a[1] " "}' |
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| 21:42.09 | skribblezatcha | be back in a few. |
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| 21:42.59 | brianherman | has anyone setup a router using this guide http://agentoss.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/creating-a-wireless-access-point-with-debian-linux/ |
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| 21:44.46 | brianherman | maybe a better question is that has any big networking changes been done to debian from 6.0 to 7.5? |
| 21:44.53 | brianherman | there |
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| 21:45.42 | moha_hunt | brianherman, not exactly that guide but it should work as far as I can see, nevertheless you always can count on man pages |
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| 21:45.59 | brianherman | moha_hunt thanks |
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| 21:47.51 | moha_hunt | brianherman, not much, just I think the kernel, which should have better support for newer drivers |
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| 21:48.06 | brianherman | moha_hunt: ok |
| 21:48.12 | Electricguy | there. the display shows what it's supposed to :) http://i.imgur.com/qDuPayp.jpg |
| 21:48.26 | Electricguy | that could really haven been done with a DYMO sticker.. but wheres the fun in that? |
| 21:48.38 | brianherman | moha_hunt: I bought a Atheros network card so i shouldn't worry |
| 21:48.47 | jkaberg | hey everyone! anyone sitting on a good postfix + dovecot install script? was going to test a few configurations and to lazy to it manually :) |
| 21:49.04 | formorer | apt-get install postfix dovecot |
| 21:49.21 | jkaberg | yeah, well i mean that sets it up mroe or less |
| 21:49.25 | jkaberg | them up* |
| 21:49.37 | brianherman | jkaberg: http://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-setup-simple-but-yet-powerful-mail-server-using-postfix-dovecot-and-sasl-in-debian-6-squeeze/ |
| 21:49.59 | jkaberg | cool, nothing for wheezy? |
| 21:50.00 | moha_hunt | brianherman, take a look at http://vyos.net/wiki/Main_Page, it a router based on debian |
| 21:50.00 | formorer | so many things wrong |
| 21:50.06 | formorer | a really bad howto |
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| 21:50.22 | formorer | and totally outdated |
| 21:50.56 | formorer | jkaberg: if you really want to manage dovecot and postfix with virtual users, look into vmm |
| 21:51.17 | formorer | aka http://vmm.localdomain.org/ |
| 21:51.33 | jkaberg | formorer: was thinking of vimbadmin? |
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| 21:51.37 | jkaberg | thoughts? |
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| 21:52.17 | formorer | vmm works here for some time. and thank god it doesn't have a php based webfrontend. |
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| 21:52.38 | jkaberg | i hear ya :) |
| 21:52.40 | teraflop | lol another silly script? |
| 21:54.00 | jmcnaught | jkaberg: vmm works well for me. also the debconf questions for postfix do a lot of the work for you when it comes to a simple set up |
| 21:54.01 | jkaberg | another? i havent come accross any good ones yet |
| 21:54.16 | jkaberg | across* |
| 21:54.37 | teraflop | sorry is my thought but if people need a script for setting up smtp/imap and some users may be they dont deserve to run an email server |
| 21:55.26 | jkaberg | i can do it by hand its not that, its just tedious when you do it a few times in a row |
| 21:55.39 | jkaberg | thought id save me some time :) |
| 21:55.53 | jmcnaught | jkaberg: maybe make a reusable script, or something like an ansible playbook? |
| 21:56.08 | teraflop | i dont think so, but anyway just a thought of mine |
| 21:56.48 | jkaberg | jmcnaught: yeah perhaps, i saw a cookbook somewhere.. might take that for a spin |
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| 22:05.00 | dimitry7 | Hey Guys, any good guide for Debian hardening?? |
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| 22:09.15 | level7 | Hi all... |
| 22:09.32 | level7 | I just got a HP Zbook and it comes with Windows7 |
| 22:09.45 | level7 | now I was thinking ....what about Linux on that baby? |
| 22:09.55 | level7 | but I am quite worried for drivers and moreover it looks like it would not be a bad idea to mirror the whole disk |
| 22:10.03 | level7 | so I need some advice to: |
| 22:10.20 | level7 | 1) mirror the whole disk as it is right now (so in case I will reinstall in few minutes) |
| 22:10.53 | level7 | 2) if I should buy a second Disk and install Debian on the second disk and double boot with GRUP |
| 22:10.58 | level7 | GRUB |
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| 22:14.14 | jmcnaught | level7: 0) don't press <enter> so much. 1) you could look into clonezilla for backing up the HDD 2) that's up to you. my advice is replace windows with Debian completely but to each their own. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual is where to start. Sometimes installing Debian you run into problems with missing firmware, for which there is an unofficial net-installer .iso that you could ask the dpkg bot about with "/msg dpk |
| 22:14.47 | jmcnaught | level7: and if you run into problems with Debian we're here to help :) |
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| 22:17.04 | level7 | the thing is that the laptop has 2 video cards: 1 is integrated and 1 "external"... when the integrated is not enough the dedicated will do the job... so I was thinking "hey and the drivers"? |
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| 22:19.53 | jmcnaught | level7: is it nvidia optimus + intel? https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee has information about that. In general Debian has all of the drivers that you will need if they exist for Linux, but for some things you might need to install additional packages |
| 22:21.14 | jmcnaught | level7: those packages are best installed from the official debian repositories. it's not recommended to run driver installation scripts from random websites (including the GPU manufacturer's own site). A lot of effort goes into the debian packages for those drivers to make sure they play nice with the rest of your system |
| 22:22.26 | level7 | it should be this one: AMD FirePro M4100 with 1 GB GDDR5 RAM w/ AMD dynamic switchable graphics |
| 22:22.54 | level7 | and also with Intel HD Graphics 4400 (that should be the integrated thing) |
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| 22:23.53 | jmcnaught | level7: there might be an AMD equivalent to bumblebee. You might also have the option of selecting only one of the graphics cards in your BIOS |
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| 22:31.05 | jmcnaught | level7: you can of course always install Debian to an external HD and boot from USB when you want to use it. Installing Debian inside a VM is another way to start learning |
| 22:32.22 | Otyugh | arh. My nginx still can't execute php. No answer on the forum. Nobody is using it ? :'( |
| 22:34.12 | jmcnaught | Otyugh: what's it doing instead of executing it, simply showing the php file in the browser? |
| 22:34.47 | Otyugh | jmcnaught: 502 Bad Gateway |
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| 22:35.34 | Otyugh | I must specify I'm from a clean installation. I'm up to reset it if anything... Default setting should work, right ? |
| 22:37.05 | jmcnaught | Otyugh: i don't know, i don't use nginx myself. A good place to check would be /usr/share/doc/nginx* for README and README.Debian files |
| 22:37.54 | Otyugh | changelog.Debian.gz changelog.gz CHANGES.gz copyright |
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| 22:42.33 | jmcnaught | Otyugh: the package nginx-doc looks like it has the nginx documentation. Also presumably you're using something like php5-fpm or php5-cgi, you may need to consult the PHP documentation as well. In my experience PHP is pretty simple to get running with Apache if you're not heart-set on nginx |
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| 22:44.16 | Otyugh | well, I'm running on very light machines (low consumption, Olinuxinos), s nginx sounded the best. Yet I'm a toally unexperienced web devlopper. I want this to be my "firsts steps", actually. >.> |
| 22:45.12 | Otyugh | well. I'll look more docs when I will feel the strength doing so. Maybe it's nothing. |
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| 22:48.54 | jmcnaught | Otyugh: I'm sure you'll figure it out :) Don't fear the docs! Soon enough you'll get to the point where you dislike using software that doesn't have sufficient documentation :) |
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| 23:02.25 | fs1 | Im trying to boot debian xfce on UEFI pc but it just boots to grub promt, i checked grub config file and I cant find anywhere to specify name of USB drive which I think is the cause |
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| 23:09.40 | athene_noctua | i just started using mutt, and I notice that local messages that were bound for my root user from system processes like cron actually show up in one of the standard user accounts on my system . . . anyone know why? |
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| 23:11.48 | abrotman | athene_noctua: yes, /etc/aliases |
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| 23:12.36 | haze_ | I have trouble finding out what my /media/Data drives UUID is how can i check that ? |
| 23:12.38 | athene_noctua | abrotman: cool, thanks. |
| 23:13.05 | haze_ | i know the blkid command but it does not tell me wich one is Data drive |
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| 23:16.26 | athene_noctua | abrotman: that made it abundantly clear : ) |
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| 23:19.51 | abrotman | athene_noctua: nothing in there? |
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| 23:24.07 | dimitry7 | How can I implement the thre authentication factors with SSH for my debian? |
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| 23:24.37 | dimitry7 | I mean a knowledge factor, a possession factor, and an inherence factor |
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| 23:54.08 | skyjumper | anyone intimately familiar with the init system in wheezy? |
| 23:54.43 | skyjumper | i'm trying to boot, enter password for encrypted filesystem, then change runlevels to start services |
| 23:54.57 | skyjumper | so boot to runlevel 2, change to 3... simple in theory |
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| 23:59.36 | unclezipper | skyjumper: What's your problem, exactly? How are you trying to mount the encrypted filesystem? |
| 23:59.49 | skyjumper | with luks, and that part is fine |
