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| 00:00.29 | skyjumper | the problem is the init symlinks in /etc/rc3.d, wheezy's init scripts don't behave as you would expect |
| 00:00.40 | skyjumper | looks like it's ignoring the K* scripts |
| 00:00.52 | skyjumper | i guess because of dependency based boot? |
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| 00:01.56 | unclezipper | Not sure. I'm no expert on the init system. You haven't tried manually putting symlinks in /etc/rc?.d, have you |
| 00:02.23 | skyjumper | i've manually changed /etc/rc3.d, because i know how not to break it |
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| 00:04.42 | unclezipper | As I mentioned, I'm no expert on runlevels, but maybe you should pastebin ls -la /etc/rc[1-7].d/ as well as the contents of the files you stuck in /etc/rc3.d |
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| 00:08.12 | unclezipper | skyjumper: That might give someone more knowledgeable than I some clues as to what might be going on |
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| 00:19.38 | vaxxon | Sorry, stupid newbie questions, but I've had little luck with googling. I've got a fresh debian 7 system and I'm trying to get pillow and pip installed. When I try to install python-pip, it wants to pull in python 2.6. Is this alright? That doesn't seem right at all. Also, is there some easy way to install pillow? |
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| 00:21.13 | LeelooMinai | I have a basic install question. I read I can choose rt kernel during install (latest debian live iso). I added proprity=medium for the installer, but I do not see any option there to specify the kernel I want. Any ideas? |
| 00:22.15 | Mittens2001 | i also have a question |
| 00:22.31 | Mittens2001 | if i set my sources.list |
| 00:22.48 | Mittens2001 | as unstable for packages, then testing for security and updates |
| 00:23.00 | Mittens2001 | unstable packages get priority, correct? |
| 00:23.18 | Mittens2001 | i shouldn't have asked this during a netsplit |
| 00:23.40 | LeelooMinai | I guess that applies to my question too |
| 00:24.34 | vaxxon | Ah. Is that what's going on It seems like an awfully quiet channel for being so large. ;) |
| 00:25.18 | LeelooMinai | Or this is preliminary stage where everyon plans strategy for trolling "newcomoers" |
| 00:25.45 | vaxxon | I hope not. My question was even more basic than yours. ;) I'd NEVER get any help. |
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| 00:27.52 | abrotman | Mittens2001: You haven't a clue, please use wheezy |
| 00:28.32 | Mittens2001 | this guy seems like he does https://pay.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/27jdhj/how_do_i_install_debian_sidunstable/ci1ea85 |
| 00:28.35 | Mittens2001 | ( ´_ゝ｀) |
| 00:29.23 | abrotman | .. |
| 00:29.59 | abrotman | vaxxon: that sounds correct |
| 00:30.08 | abrotman | vaxxon: for pip I mean |
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| 00:30.25 | vaxxon | abrotman, it simply needs 2.6 to work? It's not going to cause some kind of chaos with the native 2.7? |
| 00:30.31 | vaxxon | Or start installing things into 2.6? |
| 00:30.32 | Mittens2001 | what's the matter abrotman |
| 00:31.19 | LeelooMinai | How can I get the installer to let me choose rt kernel? |
| 00:31.27 | abrotman | Mittens2001: you're a troll, it's pretty obvious |
| 00:31.35 | Mittens2001 | what the fuck |
| 00:31.37 | vaxxon | I'm not even all that thrilled to be using it. I started with a fresh debian 6 system at an isp which was comping me a vm. I upgraded it to 7. Now I'm trying to run something which requires pillow, but getting an error which states pil, nor pillow, is installed. |
| 00:31.56 | abrotman | vaxxon: apt-cache search python pip .. seems to be more than one? |
| 00:31.58 | vaxxon | I need pillow, and it's supposed to be included in debian 7. |
| 00:32.17 | Mittens2001 | yes m8 im getting u really hard right now by asking whether testing or unstable is prefered by the package manager |
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| 00:32.47 | vaxxon | Ah. apt-cache. Was looking for a way to see everything available. |
| 00:32.49 | vaxxon | Thanks. |
| 00:33.03 | abrotman | Mittens2001: If you need to ask if you should use testing/unstable, please do yourself a favor and use Wheezy. |
| 00:33.19 | LeelooMinai | puts a helmet on and crawls into a trench |
| 00:33.48 | vaxxon | Think it would be safe for me to install pillow via pip, then? I've intentionally installed everything else I needed via apt-get, using backports if need be. |
| 00:34.07 | jradd | vaxxon: that is how i install pillow |
| 00:34.08 | vaxxon | If I screw this system up, I'm not going to be able to get another one, so I'm just being paranoid. More of a bsd guy. |
| 00:34.11 | vaxxon | k |
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| 00:35.43 | jradd | vaxxon: imo your question and paranoia is valid. but what do i know. :pp |
| 00:37.06 | RandomGuy5432 | Virtualbox helps aleve a lot of stress with experimentation :) for me anyways. |
| 00:37.59 | vaxxon | Yeah. that worked out fine. Thanks. |
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| 00:47.42 | dimitry7 | Guys, I configured my key and passphrase and put the pub key in the server... when I logged in.. it asked for my passphrase... but then I logged out, logged in again and it is no longer asking for my passphrase.... what can I do for it to ask for pasphrase everytime I log in? |
| 00:47.59 | dimitry7 | It logs me in automatically.... |
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| 00:49.12 | jradd | dimitry7: I would check settings in /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
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| 00:49.23 | dimitry7 | jradd, okay |
| 00:49.23 | jradd | sshd_config |
| 00:49.27 | dimitry7 | ok |
| 00:50.27 | jradd | and then restart ssh of course (it is a wise idea to open up a second tty/session when restarting ssh and making changes fyi, just in case you fudge it up) |
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| 00:51.36 | dimitry7 | jradd, okay let me see |
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| 00:54.35 | jradd | dimitry7: if you never made changes to that file then it should already be set to use a pw, as that is default i think. It must have been the pw for your key though, which would make more sense. |
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| 00:56.04 | dimitry7 | jradd, which option should I check? password auth set to no? |
| 00:56.57 | jradd | you should set that to `yes` if that is what you want. But also require RSA, which sounds like is already set |
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| 00:57.38 | dimitry7 | jradd, i want to authenticate only throught key + passphrase |
| 00:58.26 | jradd | you should just comment that out probably and make sure `UsePAM` is set |
| 00:59.24 | dimitry7 | PasswordAuthentication no |
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| 00:59.35 | dimitry7 | I want to disable password authentication |
| 00:59.57 | jradd | then 'no'. Mine is just commented out I noticed |
| 01:00.37 | dimitry7 | but the problem is that the server does not ask for my passphrase (the one belonging to the key, not my password) |
| 01:00.44 | dimitry7 | and I want it to ask for it. |
| 01:01.04 | jradd | post your config on gist or something |
| 01:01.36 | dimitry7 | my config is the defult config for openssh-server install |
| 01:01.44 | dimitry7 | I only did apt-get install openssh-server |
| 01:01.48 | jradd | `UsePAM yes` is what you want i think |
| 01:02.04 | dimitry7 | is set to yes as default |
| 01:04.03 | jradd | what client are you connecting with? |
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| 01:04.45 | jmcnaught | vaxxon: i'm a little late, but my advice is never run pip as root. You might also want to check out the python-virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper packages |
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| 01:07.12 | jradd | jmcnaught: does that mean don't instal packages globally with pip ? |
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| 01:08.10 | jradd | because while I agree it is probably more secure that way. Some packages need to be installed globally from my experience. |
| 01:08.18 | vaxxon | jmcnaught: Yeah, Too late, but it worked out alright. Thanks, though. Now I'm trying to get pypy working. Again, trying to stick to apt-get if possible. |
| 01:08.53 | vaxxon | jradd: Generally speaking, I find that if you are going to drink the package management kool-aid, you need to drink it 100%, or bedlam happens. |
| 01:09.01 | jmcnaught | jradd: yes, and also that packages on PyPI don't have the same level of credibility as packages in Debian repositories. This page some some more info on the topic: http://notes.pault.ag/debian-python/ |
| 01:11.20 | jmcnaught | vaxxon: with python-virtualenv you can create isolated python environments with their own set of modules separate from the system. virtualenvwrapper is a nicer way of using it. You can run pip as a regular user inside a virtualenv to install from PyPI. If you need to install Pillow inside a virtualenv, "apt-get build-dep python-imaging" will make sure you have the necessary compiler and libraries |
| 01:11.53 | jradd | python-imaging ahhh |
| 01:13.03 | jradd | I think the time i had to install virtualenv with pip globally was on CentOS. |
| 01:13.10 | jradd | (with su) |
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| 01:13.23 | jradd | because centos is a pain in the ass |
| 01:13.45 | dvs | !win jradd |
| 01:13.45 | dpkg | Congratulations, jradd! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 01:14.11 | jradd | haha |
| 01:14.15 | dvs | yay $10! |
| 01:14.30 | vaxxon | exit |
| 01:14.32 | vaxxon | Whoops. |
| 01:14.40 | dvs | !exit |
| 01:14.40 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 01:14.45 | jradd | :wq! |
| 01:14.49 | jradd | doh |
| 01:14.56 | jradd | jk |
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| 01:16.04 | jmcnaught | seriously though, python-virtualenv with virtualenvwrapper is the cat's pyjamas. |
| 01:16.50 | jradd | where do you store your site-packages or global env? just the default ~/.virtualenv ? |
| 01:17.36 | jradd | i kind of like to bundle my env with the project i am working on. and so I don't use virtualenvwrapper |
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| 01:17.40 | jradd | for that |
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| 01:19.58 | jmcnaught | jradd: you could also do "pip freeze > requirements.txt" and include that, but the important part is using virtualenv not the wrapper i guess |
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| 01:25.21 | jradd | Even cooler with custom $TERM set to accommodate virtualenv. But yes! |
| 01:26.36 | jradd | sorry didnt mean to sound like '1up' |
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| 01:31.56 | ^v | how would i configure my DNS server to respond to every request with a single IP? |
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| 01:34.06 | jmcnaught | ^v: why would you want to do that? is this DNS just for resolving, or is it authoritative? |
| 01:34.48 | ^v | to redirect people trying to use my wifi |
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| 01:40.27 | jmcnaught | ^v: well i don't know very much about that, but you could check out http://dev.wifidog.org/ to see how it works (or maybe even use it) |
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| 01:42.46 | ^v | jmcnaught, seems overkill for what i want :| |
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| 01:50.27 | jmcnaught | ^v: maybe it's overkill i don't know. it still might be worth looking at how they do captive portal. It seems to me like DNS redirection is not the way to go and could be easily circumvented by not using the DHCP supplied nameserver. If you do decide to do it with DNS, you should make sure the TTL is set to 0 on any of the faked records that are returned so you don't poison the client's DNS cache |
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| 01:51.22 | ^v | jmcnaught, yeah but i can just iptables everything to the server |
| 01:51.37 | ^v | no matter the dns server i would still be serving |
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| 01:53.23 | jradd | ^v: why do you want to redirect people using your wifi? |
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| 01:53.56 | jradd | for a joke? Advertising? Captive Portal? |
| 01:54.36 | jradd | because that wouldn't be secure by any means, as jmcnaught mentioned |
| 01:54.44 | ^v | jokeish |
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| 01:55.02 | ^v | the router isnt actually connected to the internet |
| 01:55.06 | ^v | cant route through real dns |
| 01:55.18 | jradd | okay, i understand. I have done the same before using forwarding |
| 01:55.38 | jradd | but cannot remember how it was done |
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| 02:06.12 | slitt_newbox | I have a 240GB SSD drive, and a 3GB WD Green. My plan is to put / on the SSD, and put /home, /var, and maybe the swap space on the WD green. What do you guys think of that? |
| 02:06.47 | slitt_newbox | I've heard you don't want to write too much to an SSD. |
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| 02:08.52 | jradd | i think that sounds pretty good. I do something similar. |
| 02:09.49 | slitt_newbox | jrad: What do you put on your SSD? |
| 02:10.15 | slitt_newbox | Do you put either /var or the swap disk on the SSD? |
| 02:10.56 | jradd | i would but both on conventional disk. |
| 02:11.04 | jradd | like you said |
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| 02:11.57 | slitt_newbox | Thanks jradd! This is my first SSD, so I didn't really know. |
| 02:12.01 | jradd | my setup is a bit different on my main home server, because i am using LVM with a pool of drives, and use my ssd for my "home" directory (not /home) |
| 02:12.50 | jradd | my /srv/www, and /srv/home |
| 02:12.54 | jradd | on the ssd |
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| 02:13.22 | jradd | which is random i know. don't follow that advice |
| 02:13.27 | jradd | lol |
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| 02:15.22 | slitt_newbox | Thanks jradd ! I'm going to reboot and do a memtest86+ now. |
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| 02:17.46 | sandman13 | I now understand why people recommend Stable. |
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| 02:27.03 | jeep | sandman13: over testing ? |
| 02:27.10 | sandman13 | yes |
| 02:27.52 | sandman13 | installed it yesterday couldn't stand for more than 3 hours spent whole night awake and installed Wheezy |
| 02:28.21 | jeep | is using sid right now |
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| 02:29.19 | sandman13 | jeep: I am not so good with packages handling |
| 02:30.01 | jeep | lots of stuff is broken in unstable .. testing is usually ok with the odd thing breaking but of course it may be the thing you want |
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| 02:30.37 | sandman13 | Flash broke for me, searched for 3 hours no solution |
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| 02:30.59 | jeep | and of course stable is stable and dependable |
| 02:31.34 | jeep | its broke in unstable also i removed it kept crashing browser |
| 02:32.08 | cra1g321 | sandman13 what browser were you using ? |
| 02:32.19 | sandman13 | cra1g321: Iceweasel 30 |
| 02:33.09 | cra1g321 | ahright, thought you were maybe using chromium and needed the pepperflashplugin |
| 02:33.52 | sandman13 | I use chromium when sites demand newer flash player |
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| 02:34.05 | sandman13 | but that has never occured to me |
| 02:34.18 | _quadDamage | So I tried dual-booting Wheezy and Win7, with Wheezy on encrypted LVM. I evidently screwed something up, because Debian won't boot. Kicks me back to initramfs, can't find the vol grps (never asked for p/w). any ideas what I mucked up? |
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| 02:36.07 | rryoumaa | what would cause this kind of error? zfs-fuse? hardware? kernel? http://sprunge.us/ibAg |
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| 02:46.00 | jradd | it means you probably ought to invest in UPS/batt backup |
| 02:46.12 | jradd | that is my guess |
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| 02:49.57 | jradd | you might try lvconvert |
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| 02:55.27 | jradd | or disable write caching i guess. but either way, if you don't have that on a UPS you will probably regret it someday |
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| 03:05.50 | jradd | rryoumaa: I realized I didn't answer your actual question. That is not an error. That looks like a warning message. |
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| 03:06.31 | chalcedony | i need to access stuff on my former drive. i can see it, mounted it.. i'm not sure how to search for what i need. can anyone help me with a command line way to access that drive? |
| 03:06.57 | jradd | what type of FS? |
| 03:07.03 | Budoy | hi! i want to ask how can i full access the hard disk via xrdp? |
| 03:07.38 | chalcedony | jradd, it's just drives on debian - new one is wheezy, old one is squeeze |
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| 03:09.39 | jradd | chalcedony: If that drive is in fact mounted. it is probably located in /mnt |
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| 03:09.57 | rryoumaa | jradd: yes, i should have said warning. what would cause it? |
| 03:10.04 | chalcedony | um jradd right! let me see ... |
| 03:10.54 | chalcedony | umm jradd cd /mnt $ ls .. nothing |
| 03:11.06 | chalcedony | try as root? |
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| 03:12.07 | jradd | chalcedony: `df -h` or `sudo mount` `sudo fdisk -l` `cat /proc/partitions` |
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| 03:12.36 | jradd | to check if it is mounted, and other info. doesn't sound like it is mounted though |
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| 03:13.11 | chalcedony | well, i clicked the 956 gig file system |
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| 03:13.42 | chalcedony | it shows my user, and files in the gui |
| 03:13.47 | jradd | most of your stuff should be in the /home/$USER dir |
| 03:13.52 | jradd | of that drive. |
| 03:14.50 | chalcedony | yes.. but how do i get it to find what i need? ls *thing* is easy |
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| 03:18.56 | jradd | goto http://commandlinefu.com and you mind find a good command to search for what you want |
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| 03:19.31 | jradd | that is just the easiest if you dont want to read the manual :) |
| 03:21.04 | chalcedony | ill do that, thank you!! |
| 03:21.39 | Budoy | hi! iwant to make full access the HDD using xrdp? |
| 03:22.22 | Budoy | itry use xrdp but i cannot access the secondary HDD but if i can go to main Computer i access the HDD |
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| 03:43.51 | j4jackj | places a lemon on the channel's table |
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| 03:47.26 | iateadonut | is there a tool i can use to carry out a ddos synflood attack? i've had one on a server for the last 12 hours, and i'm not sure if updating the iptables has worked or if the attacker has stopped. |
| 03:47.39 | iateadonut | so i'd like to carry out one myself. |
| 03:47.56 | jeep | iateadonut: why? |
| 03:48.13 | iateadonut | to see if the attacker stopped, or if the iptables rules worked. |
| 03:48.21 | j4jackj | .......... |
| 03:48.24 | j4jackj | just don't do that |
| 03:48.28 | j4jackj | i hate DDoS |
| 03:48.30 | iateadonut | i want to make sure it's prepared for next time. |
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| 03:48.41 | iateadonut | i'd be doing it on my own server as a test. |
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| 03:48.53 | Amarande | well, I guess I can consider wheezy after all, lol |
| 03:49.05 | Amarande | apparently wine in jessie is rather ... um ... I'm not sure what the right word is |
| 03:49.13 | j4jackj | wheezy > squeeze by a long shot |
| 03:49.29 | Amarande | j4jackj: yeah, I'd only tried jessie in order to try to get the latest wine |
| 03:49.31 | Amarande | hrm. |
| 03:49.36 | Budoy | hi! i ask i create server Debian wheezy with secondry HDD |
| 03:49.44 | Amarande | can you reinstall linux on lvm partitions without reformatting all of them? |
| 03:50.00 | Amarande | i.e., can I preserve /home on a downgrade reinstall or will I need to back it up and reformat the partition? |
| 03:50.00 | j4jackj | wouldn't be too sure |
| 03:50.06 | j4jackj | you can probably |
| 03:50.09 | j4jackj | but i'm not sure |
| 03:50.12 | j4jackj | IANAE |
| 03:50.18 | Budoy | and use other pc the i use xrdp for remote that Server debian |
| 03:50.21 | j4jackj | i'm just a luser who runs an ircd for a very tiny network |
| 03:50.40 | Budoy | but i cannot access the HDD |
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| 03:54.38 | jradd | Amarande: If /home is on its own partition that should be very doable |
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| 03:58.06 | Amarande | jradd: yeah, /home is on a separate partition within the lvm |
| 03:58.26 | Amarande | I have it set up the same way I saw fedora do it, where /boot is on /dev/sda1 and /, swap, and /home all go under /dev/sda2 in an LVM |
| 03:58.51 | Amarande | actually thought of using fedora at first, but the fact that I'd have to get a separate install disc to not have GNOME 3 is a dealbreaker |
| 03:58.56 | Amarande | because like I've said ... GNOME 3 is terrible |
| 03:59.03 | Amarande | it makes Windows 8 seem like an elegant UX :( |
| 03:59.32 | Amarande | GNOME 3 is worse than gnomes in WoW that gank you when you're horde |
| 04:00.06 | jradd | haha |
| 04:01.51 | Amarande | not that I'll be playing WoW for a while it seems |
| 04:02.00 | Amarande | because all the distros that carry wine 1.6 seem to be unsatisfactory |
| 04:02.07 | Amarande | unless wine backports back to stable properly for once, anyways |
| 04:02.19 | Amarande | usually I end up having it compile fine and then not be able to do anything I actually want to do :| |
| 04:03.32 | jradd | yeah, i don't even mess with wine. I am fine running windows for an xbox with a keyboard and virus' |
| 04:05.35 | iateadonut | 200000 packets transmitted, 115 packets received, 100% packet loss - just tried to carry out a synflood attack on that server - these results mean my server is no longer vulnerable to such an attack, right? |
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| 04:06.26 | iateadonut | well, near as i can tell, i guess. i guess i'll wake up in the morning and figure it out if the server is still up. good night, everybody. |
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| 04:07.59 | Akiba_ | hey guys |
| 04:09.10 | Akiba_ | can someone help me with my ideas |
| 04:09.47 | bakaneko | Akiba_, which ones lol? |
| 04:09.54 | Akiba_ | lol |
| 04:09.58 | Akiba_ | pm me |
| 04:10.00 | Akiba_ | its a ton |
| 04:12.52 | rryoumaa | i think you need to, like, motivate people |
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| 04:14.28 | Budoy | hi! any answer about to my problem |
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| 04:20.33 | Budoy | anyhelp please |
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| 04:24.51 | zpmorgan | Budoy, hi. Probably not from me, but please feel free to elaborate :) |
| 04:33.41 | jalalsfs | Budoy, Have you installed debian on the secondary DDH? |
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| 05:03.50 | sandman13 | I am not able to install flashplayer in Wheezy via repos |
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| 05:06.40 | LtL | sandman13: got contrib and non-free in sources.list ? |
| 05:06.55 | sandman13 | LtL, yes |
| 05:07.05 | LtL | its there im sure |
| 05:07.23 | LtL | did you update the list sandman13 |
| 05:07.29 | sandman13 | yes three times |
| 05:08.06 | j4jackj | snsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsn |
| 05:08.27 | j4jackj | sandman13, as root: apt-get update && apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:08.29 | j4jackj | i think |
| 05:09.03 | LtL | sandman13: apt-cache search flashplugin-nonfree |
| 05:09.19 | sandman13 | LtL, let me send you the error |
| 05:09.44 | LtL | sandman13: dont paste a bunch of lines |
| 05:09.52 | sandman13 | no I won't |
| 05:09.59 | sandman13 | I will use paste.debian.net |
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| 05:11.31 | Akiba_ | can someone help me with my ideas |
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| 05:11.57 | LtL | Akiba_: ask and find out |
| 05:13.36 | Akiba_ | yo ltl |
| 05:13.38 | Akiba_ | i pmed u |
| 05:13.59 | LtL | Akiba_: keep it in the channel please |
| 05:14.11 | sandman13 | LtL, following your suggestion I tried running apt-get update and this is what I get: W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org wheezy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 05:14.15 | Budoy | actually if i use my pc i can use the secondry HDD but if i want my debian pc via remote i cannot access the secondary HDD |
| 05:14.20 | Akiba_ | id prefer to keep my ideas between as few as people |
| 05:14.22 | Akiba_ | but sure |
| 05:14.47 | Budoy | they have a way i can access the secondary HDD via remote desktop using xrdp |
| 05:14.54 | Akiba_ | any programming language other than java that use self contained sandboxed apps like .jar? |
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| 05:17.17 | LtL | sandman13: can you post your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 05:17.42 | sandman13 | LtL okay |
| 05:18.02 | LtL | Akiba_: i couldn't say, sorry |
| 05:19.07 | sandman13 | LtL, here: http://paste.debian.net/106102/ |
| 05:19.43 | Akiba_ | but please pm me |
| 05:19.50 | Akiba_ | its too much stuff for this channel |
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| 05:20.39 | rryoumaa | are they really sandboxed? |
| 05:21.09 | Akiba_ | by default they are yeah |
| 05:22.45 | sandman13 | LtL, here is the flash error I am talking about: http://paste.debian.net/106104/ |
| 05:22.53 | LtL | sandman13: delete lines 17 thru 19. and contrib nonfree to lines 7-8 10-11 and 14-15 update |
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| 05:24.43 | rawfodog | I was wondering if there is a software midi bank for debian like in windows. |
| 05:25.10 | rawfodog | I dont want to use vst's and such. I want to select a generic midi set like in windows |
| 05:25.23 | rawfodog | I thought timidity did this but I thought wrong |
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| 05:30.18 | sandman13 | LtL, like this? http://paste.debian.net/106106/ |
| 05:31.08 | LtL | sandman13: yes, update now |
| 05:31.31 | sandman13 | LtL, did you see the error I sent you? |
| 05:31.34 | jmcnaught | sandman13: the flash error is because Adobe has changed their download URL. the flashplugin-nonfree package works by downloading the plugin from the Adobe website when the package is installed. There's a bug report here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=752023 |
| 05:31.40 | Mittens2001 | test |
| 05:31.41 | LtL | sandman13: yes, weird |
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| 05:32.07 | Akiba_ | do you think it would be possible to change the linux filesystem architecture |
| 05:32.13 | sandman13 | jmcnaught, that means I have to manually configure it? |
| 05:32.15 | Akiba_ | or use symlinks to mantain compatibility |
| 05:32.51 | jmcnaught | sandman13: or just wait until the package gets updated, it probably won't take very long |
| 05:33.32 | sandman13 | jmcnaught, I have to use google-chrome now |
| 05:34.31 | jmcnaught | Akiba_: it's a little off-topc for this channel because Debian adheres to the FHS. You could look up Gobo Linux which does something like what you're talking about though |
| 05:35.34 | jmcnaught | sandman13: i don't think you *have* to use google chrome. If you must use flash, you could use chromium and the pepperflashplugin-nonfree package in wheezy-backports |
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| 05:43.51 | Akiba_ | and also |
| 05:43.56 | Akiba_ | how would this be done in linux |
| 05:43.57 | Akiba_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_bundle |
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| 05:47.24 | jmcnaught | Akiba_: since your questions are not very debian specific, maybe you'd better responses in #linux? You might be interested in the docker.io package (only in Jessie) |
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| 05:49.03 | skribblezatcha | Akiba_: there are actually distros that use a different fileystem structure than most other linux distros. |
| 05:49.42 | skribblezatcha | for instance puppy linux is one, and then there is nanolinux i think it is..that has come out with a new package management system as well as a new filesystem. |
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| 05:57.16 | Akiba_ | puppy doesnt really use a different filesystem |
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| 06:04.25 | skribblezatcha | yet it does though when it comes down to it Akiba_. |
| 06:05.01 | skribblezatcha | its not completely different though, but its different. |
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| 06:24.26 | Amarande | gah, wheezy, the heck, you're performing worse than a wheezing old man |
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| 06:25.09 | Amarande | and that's another couple gigs of usage down the drain. good thing I never got to install wine and WoW I guess, I'll need those 20 gigs of usage getting Linux working (not that I know if I'm close to cap but still ...) :P |
| 06:25.48 | Amarande | CUPS prints UNACCEPTABLY slow |
| 06:26.02 | Amarande | and I STILL have no sound, get all kinds of invalid argument errors on speaker-test |
| 06:26.16 | Amarande | was it just too much to hope for to try to run debian on a Haswell? |
| 06:26.47 | Amarande | like, unless I'm willing to put up with having to catalogue and report bugs, I had better either go with Ubuntu or Fedora or just crawl back to Windows? |
| 06:27.11 | Amarande | (i.e., jessie is about the only debian distro that has a hope of working on this thing?) |
| 06:27.51 | Amarande | No explicit errors to report with CUPS, just that on wheezy (it doesn't do it on jessie, oddly) I get an insanely long pause before every print job |
| 06:28.01 | Amarande | I hear the printer warm up, the status goes to busy, and then there's an aeon long wait |
| 06:28.14 | Amarande | seems to be related to ghostscript, and how wheezy apparently likes to convert every single thing to pdf before doing anything :| |
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| 06:36.50 | jmcnaught | Amarande: maybe try a different printer driver at http://localhost:631/ for your CUPS problems, sometimes there's more than one that works, but only one that works well |
| 06:37.20 | jmcnaught | Amarande: for the audio problems, you could put the errors on http://paste.debian.net and maybe someone will know what to do about them |
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| 06:39.56 | jmcnaught | Amarande: before upgrading to Jessie you could also try using a newer kernel from wheezy-backports if you think your hardware is too new for the wheezy kernel. |
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| 06:59.54 | Amarande | jmcnaught: tried a couple of them, they all have the same super slow print issue |
| 06:59.58 | Amarande | whatever it is, it's fixed in jessie |
| 07:00.05 | Amarande | but there's no way to get that version packaged for wheezy |
| 07:00.09 | Amarande | it's not in bpo |
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| 07:33.33 | Akiba_ | is btrfs the best filesystem? |
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| 07:35.30 | equex | define best |
| 07:35.54 | equex | urmal is onMessage spamer |
| 07:36.28 | equex | 09:35] <urmal> show gratis (solo hooy) --> http://XXX/ |
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| 07:37.44 | MsK` | hi |
| 07:38.13 | MsK` | I get that we must use crontab -e to edit the crontab, but do we edit what's in /etc/cron.d ? |
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| 07:38.22 | MsK` | how do* |
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| 07:39.38 | Amarande | hrm |
| 07:39.42 | Amarande | I should probably say goodbye to debian |
| 07:39.52 | Amarande | I'm still not sure why I have been loyal to debian for this long |
| 07:39.58 | equex | why |
| 07:40.12 | Amarande | it's a nice distro, but it seems like a huge percentage of my linux issues have had one of two causes |
| 07:40.20 | Amarande | either a) stable is too old to support foo properly |
| 07:40.39 | Amarande | or b) testing has too much brokenness at the time to be comfy |
| 07:40.48 | MsK` | what about backports ? |
| 07:41.05 | Amarande | MsK`: backports are nice when they help, but aren't always an available option |
| 07:41.13 | Amarande | for instance the fact that cups is ridiculous right now on wheezy |
| 07:41.15 | equex | the too old syndrome is present in a lot of distros, unfortunately |
| 07:41.38 | Amarande | when I tried jessie, one thing I noticed good at least was that cups printed nice and swiftly |
| 07:41.48 | equex | i havent tried any debian testing yet though |
| 07:41.57 | Amarande | when I tried wheezy, one thing I noticed was that it took a full minute or so before even a single page document came out |
| 07:42.10 | Amarande | we're talking a laser printer here ... it'd warm up, then it would sit there for an inordinate amount of time |
| 07:42.17 | Amarande | it seems to be tied to issues with ghostscript, perhaps |
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| 07:42.56 | Amarande | equex: yeah, I'm getting the idea that basically debian is for two types of builds |
| 07:43.00 | Amarande | at least on the desktop |
| 07:43.11 | Amarande | a) old computers you're putting out to pasture and are not your main current-hardware rig |
| 07:43.17 | Amarande | or b) machines you built specifically with debian in mind |
| 07:43.36 | Amarande | if (as tends to happen with me) you get discontented with windows and try to migrate to linux? |
| 07:43.49 | Amarande | oh, oh woh woh woh you're in for a world of pain there buddy apparently. heh. |
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| 07:44.02 | equex | yes ive ben bouncing back and forth for a while between linux and windows |
| 07:44.21 | Amarande | I still can't get sound working with pulseaudio either on jessie or wheezy for instance |
| 07:44.29 | equex | i think the whole mobilify-the-desktop fad is catastrophic |
| 07:44.30 | Amarande | I'm thinking I've been bitten by the 'two soundcards' problem |
| 07:44.38 | equex | made me jump linux ship for a few years |
| 07:44.43 | Amarande | which is becoming a catastrophic issue for linux I think :( |
| 07:44.47 | equex | now i run specific debian builds |
| 07:45.11 | Amarande | pulseaudio has, in my experience, ALWAYS had issues with any machine that has more than one sound output device |
| 07:45.21 | Amarande | now there is no way to not have more than one sound output device for the most part though |
| 07:45.36 | equex | um there is a sound station distro... whats it called again |
| 07:45.51 | equex | if youre like, into production |
| 07:45.58 | Amarande | because you have your onboard sound and then since your video card generally sports HDMI, that's counted as a sound output device too |
| 07:46.05 | equex | oh like that |
| 07:46.25 | Amarande | and apparently, googling (and experience) is showing me that pulseaudio is really bad at handling there being more than one card |
| 07:46.35 | equex | actually i havemt tried that.. last time i ran linux native on main desktop i was running dvi |
| 07:46.45 | Amarande | I wonder if sooner or later we're looking at the death of analog sound under linux |
| 07:46.51 | equex | that was sid actually |
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| 07:47.15 | Amarande | some googling has actually already suggested that the best solution is just to accept that the sound is going to go out over hdmi and use a television or builtin-speakers monitor as your screen |
| 07:47.22 | Amarande | forget about your old no-speakers screen I suppose |
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| 07:47.45 | Amarande | either that or to use headphones all the time |
| 07:47.55 | Amarande | apparently headphones are more reliable than speakers with pulse for some reason. not sure why. |
| 07:48.16 | equex | hum that would be unfortunate because hdmi sound actually gives some people power issues under gpu load |
| 07:48.43 | Amarande | equex: but yeah, the big issue with pulseaudio is that forcing it to use the device you actually want it to use seems to regularly be a pita |
| 07:48.59 | Amarande | I first encountered the issue on my old sandy bridge i3 machine where I had a discrete sound card |
| 07:49.11 | Amarande | which I had installed because at the time I feared to use my old studio style mic with onboard sound |
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| 07:49.39 | Amarande | however, it had no 10pin for the front case connector so I had to leave the onboard sound enabled |
| 07:50.02 | Amarande | I could never manage to get debian to route the sound properly ... I got *weird* issues when trying to override the default via config files |
| 07:50.08 | babilen | Amarande: Might want to ask in #pulseaudio if you can't configure it to your liking in pavucontrol or paprefs |
| 07:50.27 | equex | ive had some luck using Jack |
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| 07:50.35 | equex | to reroute audio |
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| 07:50.41 | equex | but its a pita |
| 07:50.45 | babilen | Amarande: Apart from that I have a hard time to figure out what the actual issue is you are trying to solve |
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| 07:51.16 | Amarande | babilen: silence, regardless of audio settings |
| 07:51.30 | Amarande | try setting foo, click test, no matter what foo is, nothing |
| 07:51.59 | Amarande | googling is suggesting that the issue is pulseaudio wants to use the HDMI output on my graphics card for the sound preferentially |
| 07:52.12 | equex | do you see the sound device in lspci? |
| 07:52.14 | Amarande | and that overriding this may not be easy |
| 07:52.18 | babilen | Yes, so use something different |
| 07:52.18 | Amarande | yeah, I do |
| 07:52.30 | Amarande | babilen: kde doesn't depend on pulseaudio, I hope? |
| 07:52.35 | babilen | Amarande: And you configured it to your liking in pavucontrol already? |
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| 07:52.56 | babilen | Amarande: Why do you hope that? |
| 07:53.13 | Amarande | babilen: because it would mean that not using pulseaudio would mean having to abandon kde as well |
| 07:53.18 | babilen | Amarande: IIRC KDE has something else sitting in between called "phonon", but I am not familiar with that. |
| 07:53.40 | Amarande | and apart from mate (whose future seems uncertain largely due to a lack of interest in gnome2 environments), none of the other full-scale desktop environments really appeal to me |
| 07:53.58 | babilen | Amarande: I fail to see how one thing follows from the other. Either way, *did* you check the settings (in particular the output sink) in pavucontrol? |
| 07:54.06 | Amarande | GNOME 2 is dead, GNOME 3 is horrible, Cinnamon is just a fork of GNOME 3, but KDE is nice |
| 07:54.17 | babilen | Amarande: So use KDE and lets move on. |
| 07:54.18 | Amarande | I'm being told when I type pavucontrol that there is no such command |
| 07:54.36 | babilen | Amarande: What do you typically do in situations like that? |
| 07:54.53 | Amarande | I've been using the phonon settings thing that comes from the KDE system menu |
| 07:55.10 | Amarande | selecting 'built-in audio analog stereo' seems to do nothing, though |
| 07:55.26 | babilen | Amarande: Yeah, you might want to seek help with that in a more KDE/Phonon specific channel or wait for a KDE person to appear here. |
| 07:55.39 | Amarande | clicking on the mixer in the 'system tray' area doesn't even show a volume control for the built-in at all |
| 07:55.58 | Amarande | it shows only the "GK104 HDMI Audio Controller Digital Stereo [HDMI]" |
| 07:56.13 | Amarande | the only thing that occurs to me is if Z87 sound is not supported properly in debian yet |
| 07:56.14 | babilen | Amarande: Same in pavucontrol? |
| 07:56.48 | Amarande | installing that now |
| 07:56.52 | babilen | ... |
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| 07:58.12 | Skyrider | Greetings all |
| 07:58.30 | Amarande | aright, installing pavucontrol shows that it had been set to headphones out (which doesn't seem to be noted anywhere in phonon control) |
| 07:58.43 | Amarande | oh, gluh. that's gotta be a fun one. no wonder people say headphones are more reliable on linux |
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| 07:59.04 | Amarande | however, if I launch pavucontrol and set it to the speakers |
| 07:59.10 | Amarande | then go to phonon and run the test |
| 07:59.18 | Amarande | pavucontrol shows activity on the sound device, but I hear no sound |
| 07:59.41 | babilen | So, you verified that the settings in pavucontrol are correct? |
| 07:59.46 | babilen | (no longer set to headphone) |
| 07:59.58 | Amarande | yeah. now set to analog output |
| 08:00.06 | Amarande | (which is the only other option than headphone) |
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| 08:00.27 | Amarande | when I then run a test, the activity bar in pavucontrol shows signs of life |
| 08:00.32 | Amarande | but nothing comes out over the actual speakers |
| 08:00.34 | babilen | Okay, might want to play some sound, but you should tpyically have more choices there. |
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| 08:01.07 | Amarande | also the GK104 HDMI remains the only selection in the mixer |
| 08:01.10 | babilen | Sure, what does "cat /proc/asound/cards" give you? What about "aplay -L" ? |
| 08:02.00 | Amarande | the first gives an HDI-Intel - HDA Intel PCH and an HDI-Intel - HDA NVidia |
| 08:02.12 | babilen | And you verified already that the actual hardware is supported by the installed kernle and alsa version? (which is what btw?) |
| 08:02.18 | babilen | May I see that? |
| 08:02.23 | Amarande | babilen: wheezy defaults |
| 08:02.24 | babilen | → http://paste.debian.net |
| 08:02.39 | babilen | Amarande: You verified it? |
| 08:02.52 | Amarande | so 3.2.57-3+deb7u2 kernel |
| 08:02.58 | Skyrider | When I attempt to grab memcached, I noticed it's installing an older version of it. |
| 08:02.59 | Skyrider | Is there a way for me to install the latest 1.4.20 memcached version? |
| 08:02.59 | Skyrider | urmal is advertising to me.. |
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| 08:03.20 | Amarande | and the alsa-base package is 1.0.25+3~deb7u1 |
| 08:03.22 | babilen | judd: v memcached |
| 08:03.23 | judd | Package: memcached on i386 -- squeeze: 1.4.5-1+deb6u1; squeeze-security: 1.4.5-1+deb6u1; wheezy: 1.4.13-0.2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.4.13-0.2+deb7u1; jessie: 1.4.13-0.3; sid: 1.4.13-0.3 |
| 08:03.34 | babilen | Amarande: And you verified that your hardware is supported by that? |
| 08:03.47 | Skyrider | as you can see, older memcached version :p |
| 08:03.50 | Skyrider | Latest is 1.4.20 |
| 08:04.17 | babilen | Skyrider: Yes, the version in wheezy is 1.4.13-0.2+deb7u1 |
| 08:04.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell Skyrider -about ssb |
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| 08:05.06 | babilen | Skyrider: You could try to backport it yourself if you want 1.4.13-0.3, but 1.4.20 does not seem to be packaged |
| 08:05.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell Skyrider -about uupdate |
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| 08:05.36 | babilen | scowls at debhelper |
| 08:06.11 | babilen | Skyrider: But then this probably is more work than you might want to put into this. |
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| 08:09.04 | Amarande | babilen: that's what I'm trying to research now |
| 08:09.21 | babilen | Amarande: Well, why don't you show me the requested output to begin with? |
| 08:09.37 | Amarande | if Z87 requires very new linux kernels that aren't perhaps available in most packaged distros |
| 08:09.54 | babilen | Amarande: There is also a good heuristic kernel-wise as you can just install a 3.14 one from backports |
| 08:09.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell Amarande -about bdo kernel |
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| 08:10.28 | Amarande | http://pastebin.com/GT3KWU3c |
| 08:10.37 | babilen | dpkg: pastebin.com |
| 08:10.38 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 08:11.25 | Amarande | http://paste.debian.net/106109/ |
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| 08:11.41 | babilen | Amarande: Does "speaker-test -t wav" play sound? What about "speaker-test -t wav -Dfront" ? |
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| 08:12.22 | babilen | Amarande: Also run "lspci -nn" and show me the line pertaining to your audio device. |
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| 08:14.23 | Amarande | speaker-test gives no error messages on the terminal, but no sound |
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| 08:14.32 | Amarande | the wav one, anyway, let's see about Dfront |
| 08:14.44 | babilen | They both have "-t wav" |
| 08:14.55 | Amarande | the first wav one gives no errors but no sound |
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| 08:15.21 | Amarande | the second one complains of "Invalid argument" and I'll paste it |
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| 08:16.34 | Amarande | http://paste.debian.net/106110/ along with the lspci line |
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| 08:17.01 | Amarande | also, it occurs to me |
| 08:17.17 | Amarande | why the bloody devil was pulseaudio so well accepted to become standard when it's apparently been the root of so many people's sound issues |
| 08:17.30 | Amarande | to the point where it seems like it's common advice to get rid of it, heh |
| 08:18.06 | Amarande | or did it work really well with some sort of audio hardware paradigm that used to be common and isn't now? |
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| 08:18.13 | babilen | Amarande: What if you use "speaker-test -t wav -Dsysdefault" ? |
| 08:18.27 | babilen | maddogie: This has *nothing* to do with Pulseaudio |
| 08:18.36 | Amarande | babilen: No error, no sound |
| 08:18.39 | babilen | maddogie: Sorry, that was meant for Amarande |
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| 08:20.12 | Amarande | debhelper, please lag less, thx |
| 08:21.31 | babilen | Amarande: Okay, please run "alsactl init" and test sound again |
| 08:21.48 | babilen | Amarande: I am also assuming that you checked that the speaker are turned on and are actually working |
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| 08:22.12 | Amarande | still no sound. yeah, speakers are fine |
| 08:22.24 | babilen | Amarande: Please then run "alsamixer" and make sure that they are unmuted (toggle with "m") |
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| 08:22.30 | Amarande | interestingly, when I ran alsactl I got "Hardware is initialized using a generic method" |
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| 08:22.38 | babilen | That's normal |
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| 08:23.13 | babilen | Amarande: You can switch between cards with F6 btw |
| 08:23.36 | Amarande | yeah, checked everything, only thing that's muted is a mic setting, not speakers |
| 08:23.42 | babilen | Amarande: I'll have to leave soonish, so you might want to continue this in #alsa |
| 08:23.47 | Amarande | I'm beginning to suspect that something is too old to support z87 |
| 08:23.54 | Amarande | or that there's a specific bug |
| 08:23.55 | babilen | Before that I would, however, try a new kernel. |
| 08:24.05 | Amarande | yeah, I'm beginning to suspect a kernel version specific bug |
| 08:24.24 | babilen | Not necessarily a bug |
| 08:24.25 | Amarande | primarily since this smacks of stuff I've seen happen before with other hardware. like the ethernet card I had once |
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| 08:47.47 | equex | i have 3 devices that are using the cp210 usbtouart driver on a usb hub, but my wheezy has problems accessing them. they appear in /dev as ttyUSB devices and appear in lsusb. i keep trying all combinations, putting them in one by one etc. but i can get at most 2 to run, usually just 1. i have a suspicion that they are all appearing to the system at the same serial device or some other conflict. |
| 08:47.54 | equex | but i dont know what to look for. |
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| 08:49.01 | equex | must be a conflict. |
| 08:49.16 | equex | just removed the nonworking device, plugged it back in |
| 08:49.21 | equex | then a working device stopped working |
| 08:49.40 | equex | it thought the second was the first |
| 08:49.57 | equex | like ttyusb2 and ttyusb0 was the same device |
| 08:50.04 | equex | :/ |
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| 09:07.25 | lanodan | Hi ! I can't activate anthy using uim |
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| 09:10.14 | Akiba_ | hey |
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| 09:11.01 | Akiba_ | does anyone know how to install programs in ubuntu before the installer starts |
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| 09:11.20 | jmcnaught | Akiba_: you should ask in #ubuntu, this is the Debian channel |
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| 09:11.55 | Akiba_ | it should be the same idea |
| 09:12.09 | jmcnaught | !ops urmal is spamming private messages |
| 09:12.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: urmal is spamming private messages |
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| 09:12.36 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 09:12.57 | jmcnaught | Akiba_: still, only Debian is supported in this channel |
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| 09:13.27 | Akiba_ | fine lets put it this way |
| 09:13.50 | Akiba_ | how do you install packages into debian, before you start the debian installer |
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| 09:14.12 | Akiba_ | like put the packages in the iso before installing debian |
| 09:14.32 | jmcnaught | !ubuntu |
| 09:14.32 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 09:15.35 | Akiba_ | how do you install packages into debian, before you start the debian installer |
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| 09:16.12 | jelly-home | Akiba_: we don't really know how much ubuntu's installer is different from debian's. If you really wanted debian installer, read /msg dpkg custom d-i |
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| 09:17.23 | Akiba_ | that will tell me how to install it before the operating system is installed? |
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| 09:19.21 | jelly-home | Akiba_: that will tell you how to customize the set of packages available on your installation media, and the set of packages to install by default |
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| 09:21.44 | Akiba_ | so i can install cairo-dock and gobohide into debian before the installer starts |
| 09:22.09 | jelly-home | I'm not sure what you mean by "before the installer starts" |
| 09:22.12 | Akiba_ | so people can see a regular installer when they boot their pc |
| 09:22.31 | Akiba_ | like with windows and mac osx when they boot for the first time |
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| 09:24.11 | jelly-home | if they're able to boot the machine, it means the installer has already done its job |
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| 09:24.55 | SpaceKookie | Is there a way to get the power rate that a DesktopPC is pulling from the PSU? under Debian Wheezy (Kernel 3.2) ? |
| 09:25.21 | jmcnaught | Akiba_: you might also have trouble with gobohide, it doesn't seem to be packaged for Debian and looks like it's a tool specific to GoboLinux |
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| 09:25.47 | Akiba_ | gobohide is just a patch to the linux kernel |
| 09:25.51 | Akiba_ | so it will work no matter what |
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| 09:27.05 | jmcnaught | Akiba_: well read the links that dpkg suggests and good luck with that |
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| 09:27.44 | Akiba_ | and would you have any clue how to make the notification alerts |
| 09:27.54 | Akiba_ | like android has |
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| 09:41.51 | d0wn_blog | hi someone have an idea how I could get my LTE Stick K5005 working with debian wheezy? |
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| 09:59.46 | buu | So um, any one have an idea why one win7 box could load a samba share but a nearly identical second one couldn't? |
| 09:59.58 | buu | It keeps asking me for the password and no matter what I enter it refuses to load =[ |
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| 10:01.55 | Zharf | wrong domain? |
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| 10:03.10 | buu | Um. |
| 10:03.19 | buu | Does smbd care about domain? |
| 10:03.58 | formorer | depends on the configuration. if running as pdc or bdc: yes of course. |
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| 10:06.10 | buu | Its definitely not doing that |
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| 10:07.42 | buu | So the first win7 machine, I map the drive, it asks me for a "network password" and connects as BUU-MSI\buu; which is the name of my machine |
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| 10:08.07 | buu | The second one tries to connect as GAMEBOX\buu |
| 10:08.11 | mbainrot | evening all |
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| 10:10.44 | sandman13 | does this sources.list of mine look right? http://paste.debian.net/106120/ |
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| 10:16.03 | d0wn_blog | hi someone have an idea how I could get my LTE Stick K5005 working with debian wheezy? |
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| 10:17.30 | sandman13 | jmcnaught: nope no errors but I think using non-free and contrib on line no. 8-9 is unnecessary |
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| 10:21.34 | jmcnaught | sandman13: no you want contrib and non-free on those lines if you have contrib and non-free on the other lines. See https://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 10:22.47 | sandman13 | jmcnaught: I had to reinstall Wheezy but in my earlier installation I didn't use that line, may be I was making mistake thanks |
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| 10:22.59 | sandman13 | for pointing me towards the right direction |
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| 10:28.20 | rocketmagnet | hi all |
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| 10:28.57 | rocketmagnet | i'm coming from squeeze and use gnome3 - how on earth can i add/change entries from the "favorites" "activities" ? |
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| 10:33.54 | jmcnaught | rocketmagnet: the bar of icons on the left hand side? right click on them in the bar to remove, to add right click on an icon in the "applications" view |
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| 10:47.29 | MikZyth1 | jmcnaught: |
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| 10:50.08 | jmcnaught | MikZyth1: yes? |
| 10:51.06 | MikZyth1 | jmcnaught: sorry, pushed the wrong button :) |
| 10:52.02 | jmcnaught | MikZyth1: no worries :) |
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| 11:12.46 | rocketmagnet | jmcnaught: yes i mean these buttons - but where do i find the configuration file / GUI tool ? |
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| 11:13.04 | lmat | I'm trying to run globulation2, and the error I get is "Unable to open a console terminal". |
| 11:13.16 | lmat | I think this means that I don't have permission to open a tty, so I need to run the game as root. |
| 11:13.26 | lmat | Run a game as root? That sounds preposterous. Is it so? |
| 11:14.29 | centrx | It is preposterous |
| 11:15.08 | Metaleer | Hi. I'm trying to get dibbler-client up and running on Debian wheezy, and when I do 'service dibbler-client start', the output is "Starting DHCPv6 client: dibbler-client."; but when I do 'service --status-all', I get: "[ - ] dibbler-client". |
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| 11:15.19 | Metaleer | Anyone know why it's still being reported as not running? |
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| 11:18.51 | themill | Metaleer: that would normally be because the init script doesn't implement a 'status' call, but that one looks like it does |
| 11:19.12 | Metaleer | I see. |
| 11:19.45 | Metaleer | So, how do I really check if it's running, and if it isn't, why not? |
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| 11:21.25 | lmat | Metaleer: ps -ef | grep dibbler; perhaps |
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| 11:23.08 | Metaleer | lmat: I get "root 17035 16637 0 13:21 pts/0 00:00:00 grep dibbler" as the output. |
| 11:23.53 | themill | if that's the only output, that would imply it's not running |
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| 11:24.01 | Metaleer | I see. ._. |
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| 11:25.04 | Metaleer | I am guessing I need to configure dibbler properly. |
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| 11:28.10 | themill | Metaleer: you could start with "dpkg-reconfigure dibbler-client" |
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| 11:28.23 | degv | on systems where source repositories are written in a complex way in lots of files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, is there a command that just lists all the releases that are written anywhere or so? |
| 11:28.46 | themill | degv: what do you mean? |
| 11:28.48 | Metaleer | themill: I see. |
| 11:28.59 | Metaleer | Let me check something first... |
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| 11:29.17 | degv | I want, for example, know whether sid is mentioned anywhere in the sources |
| 11:29.25 | Metaleer | You see, I have another VPS where dibbler /does/ run and it does properly accept incoming IPv6 addresses, let me see how it's set up there. |
| 11:29.33 | themill | degv: you could just do that with grep |
| 11:29.49 | degv | themill: you mean just rgrep? |
| 11:30.18 | themill | not necessarily |
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| 11:30.54 | Metaleer | themill: I think I know what the problem is -- I think I selected "DNS" as opposed to "domain" before. |
| 11:31.05 | degv | themill: otherwise I can't search in many fils at once... |
| 11:31.12 | themill | sure you can |
| 11:31.55 | themill | degv: "mentioning sid" isn't really an interesting thing though. It's where packages will be installed from and to know that, you need to go through the pinning that is used... it's a question that doesn't really have an answer and I have to say, if you're asking the question, you're probably asking for trouble anyway |
| 11:32.57 | degv | themill: it's because I am sure that I need to install packages from sid and so want to make sure that sid is set up in the sources.list before updating the package database |
| 11:33.18 | themill | why do you need to install packages from sid? and what are you mixing sid with? |
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| 11:33.32 | degv | themill: in this case it's no problem at all because I am doing it in a live system within a VM |
| 11:33.52 | degv | themill: mixing sid with oldstable :-) |
| 11:33.55 | themill | egads |
| 11:34.14 | themill | You're in the "that's an odd thing to do and there's probably a much better way" territory. |
| 11:34.49 | themill | (not to mention that you're in the "when it breaks, we'll point and laugh" place) |
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| 11:36.08 | degv | themill: I need to set up a usb-stick with portable apps from portableapps.com to use on public windows machines but I got no windows at all. So I am going to set up the directory hierarchy using wine. If you know of an easier and faster way I would like to know it :-) |
| 11:36.35 | themill | and where do squeeze and sid fit into this? |
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| 11:37.21 | degv | themill: the live system I am using as a base (it's tails) uses squeeze and I am going to install wine from unstable |
| 11:37.33 | formorer | haha. |
| 11:38.10 | degv | formorer: directed at me? :-) |
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| 11:38.49 | formorer | yes. in short: this is not possible. |
| 11:39.05 | degv | indeed, being forced to use castrated windows machines is a sign of incredibly mad karma |
| 11:39.17 | degv | formorer: any suggestions? And why shouldn't it work? |
| 11:39.39 | formorer | degv: because you can't just install packages from unstable into stable, or even old-stable |
| 11:39.48 | formorer | the dependencys won't fit- |
| 11:40.01 | formorer | after the installation you will end with some half installed unstable. |
| 11:40.07 | degv | formorer: I did it before (with -t <release>) and it worked |
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| 11:40.19 | degv | formorer: but if you got a more elegant way I would like to know it |
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| 11:40.43 | themill | degv: if it works, it's an accident |
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| 11:41.21 | degv | themill: it updates dozens of other packages, too, of course (###MBs) |
| 11:41.23 | themill | (also, you really want #tails on irc.oftc.net not #debian) |
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| 11:44.06 | degv | themill: remember, my base question was a general Debian one about parsing sources. And I am open not to use tails for that (I am using it because it's the only iso I got at the moment) if you have a better option. The host system on my main production laptop is wheezy. |
| 11:44.54 | themill | the answer to mixing releases is "don't do that" which means you don't need to work out which release you're running |
| 11:44.55 | degv | indeed, doing it the way I am is a crooked way. But it's the only solution that comes to my mind at the moment: to get the directory hierarchy for the usb-stick |
| 11:45.37 | degv | themill: what do you suggest me to do? |
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| 11:48.56 | themill | degv: if you want to run jessie (or sid), then run that release |
| 11:49.44 | MACscr | hmm, how do i ensure i have static entries in resolve.conf no matter if im using dhcp or static? |
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| 11:51.05 | formorer | MACscr: if you want to be really sure noone touches your resolvconf: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 11:51.33 | MACscr | formorer: seems more of a hack,but should work. Is there a more proper way to do it though? |
| 11:51.50 | themill | bad formorer |
| 11:52.14 | formorer | MACscr: edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 11:52.19 | MACscr | can i not add the dns servers to my network/interfaces file even if im using dhcp? |
| 11:52.30 | themill | MACscr: if you're using resolvconf then you can add entries to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head; otherwise tell the dhcp client to ignore the dhcp server |
| 11:52.40 | themill | dpkg: tell MACscr about override dns |
| 11:52.54 | formorer | themill: I had to use third party vpn clients in the past that insisted on changing resolv.conf. That is the only method that always works. |
| 11:53.11 | TJ- | MACscr: possibly, you'll need a script in "/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/" or "/etc/resolvconf/update.d/", depending on what precisely the aims are |
| 11:53.12 | themill | formorer: that doesn't mean it's not a timebomb waiting to screw you over later on |
| 11:53.31 | formorer | I don't think that there is a timebomb hidden in resolv.conf |
| 11:53.46 | themill | formorer: you haven't been around here for long, have you.... |
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| 11:54.18 | formorer | themill: sure, it helps not to forget about this hack. |
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| 11:58.15 | MACscr | after i make the resolvconf change, how do i get it to apply? |
| 11:58.22 | MACscr | i dont want to completely restart networking |
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| 12:02.23 | Brigo | MACscr, i think it is automatic |
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| 12:55.01 | ted20 | Why generally date +%p shows date in lowercase letters? It should be in uppercase |
| 12:55.35 | ted20 | Why generally date +%p shows pm or am date in lowercase letters? It should be in uppercase |
| 12:55.46 | abrotman | ted20: mine is uppercase |
| 12:56.11 | abrotman | ted20: %P is lowercase, %p is uppercase |
| 12:56.23 | abrotman | otherwise, it may be a function of your locale |
| 12:57.01 | ted20 | abrotman: You've US locale? |
| 12:57.39 | abrotman | probably |
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| 12:57.59 | Skyrider | Anyone has an idea why pecl is down? |
| 12:58.11 | ted20 | What probably? |
| 12:58.20 | abrotman | ted20: appears to be en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 12:59.12 | ted20 | Hmm... Interesting, because in British locales I've only lowercase, is it a bug? |
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| 12:59.30 | marcham93 | Hey everyone. I noticed in settings I can adjust my sound level from 0-120%, but the normal system volume in the task bar is 0-100%. Is there anyway to make it up to 120% everywhere? |
| 12:59.57 | abrotman | ted20: I dont know, I do'nt have a british locale. Perhaps try another locale and check |
| 13:00.20 | ted20 | abrotman: It doesn't work in date in console |
| 13:00.45 | abrotman | that wasn't what I said ? |
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| 13:01.23 | ted20 | Yeah, It was, but it's an odd |
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| 13:03.50 | zykotick9 | ted20: fyi, my "date +%p" is in uppercase, while +%P gives the lowercase. |
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| 13:05.24 | MACscr | well damnit, seems adiscon removed their rsyslog v7 repo |
| 13:05.40 | MACscr | v8 has to many upgrade issues |
| 13:06.08 | ted20 | zykotick9: exactly, it works correctly. |
| 13:06.23 | ted20 | zykotick9: Probably, you've the US locale? |
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| 13:07.34 | zykotick9 | ted20: i would guess yes, but i'm unsure how to verify that... |
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| 13:07.56 | ted20 | zykotick9: look at locales in console/terminal |
| 13:08.06 | ted20 | zykotick9: look at locale in console/terminal |
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| 13:08.29 | zykotick9 | LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 |
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| 13:26.19 | ssol | i, how i can get debian 1 or 2 or 3 to just try it :) |
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| 13:29.11 | sandman13 | ah flash plugin is fixed on wheezy too |
| 13:29.13 | sandman13 | nice |
| 13:29.24 | Nik05 | ssol /w https://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 13:29.29 | Nik05 | ho not the /w |
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| 13:31.01 | ssol | Nik05, no ISO file? |
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| 13:32.47 | Nik05 | maybe they didnt had ISO's that time... |
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| 13:33.14 | Nik05 | ssol here are the old distributions http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 13:33.53 | Nik05 | the installer is in main/disks-*/ etc... |
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| 13:38.36 | ummk | if you restart a service, lets say php, will all running PHP tasks exit? |
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| 13:39.19 | centrx | PHP is not a service |
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| 13:39.43 | ummk | php-fpm is? |
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| 13:40.32 | centrx | If you restart Apache, it stops/restarts its children |
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| 13:40.52 | ummk | php can be run without apache, cant it? |
| 13:40.56 | centrx | I don't know if it's a requirement in policy, otherwise it would depend on the package |
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| 13:40.59 | kysse | ummk: ofc? |
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| 13:42.07 | ummk | if I run a service php5-fpm stop, will all running php task exit? |
| 13:42.11 | ummk | a rephrased question |
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| 13:42.41 | ummk | I need a way in my bash to stop all ongoing PHP executions, thats why I am asking |
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| 13:43.48 | kysse | killall php5-fpm |
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| 13:44.24 | ummk | really o.O |
| 13:44.44 | centrx | ummk, I would expect stopping/restarting the service would kill all children, but it might depend on the particular behavior of the php-fpm software/package |
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| 13:45.26 | ummk | kysse, doesn't that rely on the service name? That it is actually equal to "php5-fpm"? |
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| 13:46.15 | kysse | it kills every process named php5-fpm. |
| 13:46.39 | kysse | ofc you can use service php5-fpm stop to stop every php5 process, but that doesnt kill those zombie ones. |
| 13:47.07 | centrx | It might |
| 13:47.22 | ummk | my php script appears like this php /var/www/index.php in top |
| 13:47.30 | ummk | so I guess the killall php5-fpm wont work |
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| 13:48.44 | centrx | ummk, You can look in the init file for php5-fpm |
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| 13:49.07 | centrx | ummk, For example, in a random init file on my machine, you find: start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --retry=TERM/30/KILL/5 --pidfile $PIDFILE --name $NAM |
| 13:49.38 | ummk | ohm |
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| 13:49.55 | ssol | chmod -x /usr/bin/php :p |
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| 13:50.38 | centrx | ummk, This --retry is documented in the manpage for start-stop-daemon. It allows defining the daemon stopping to be progressively more aggressive. |
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| 13:51.10 | centrx | ummk, So in the init file for php5-fpm, you can look around to see if it does this for the children as well as the parent process(es) |
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| 14:05.29 | Coweater | how can a determine what's running tw-cli? it keeps segfaulting in my dmesg log, but it's not in cron nor in my init scripts |
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| 14:07.36 | Brigo | Coweater, can you find the executable? |
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| 14:10.06 | Coweater | yeah, but i checked the package and 3ware-status depends on it. it's running it's own service and launching it from a script in /usr/sbin |
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| 14:12.14 | Brigo | you can backup the executable and make one with the same name who prints the pid and name of the parent proccess |
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| 14:13.01 | Brigo | or you can monitor who access the file tw-cli |
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| 14:13.47 | Coweater | ok, i've got it, thanks for the ideas |
| 14:15.58 | Brigo | Coweater, for file monitoring may be you can use inotify or fam ... not really sure. |
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| 15:05.57 | geekatcomputers | dwfreed: /window close |
| 15:06.00 | geekatcomputers | Damn it |
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| 15:10.06 | xmj | hi, does apt have a way with which to see which package provides a given file? like yum provides path/to/file or pkg which path/to/file |
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| 15:10.41 | abrotman | dpkg: tell xmj about apt-file |
| 15:11.36 | xmj | thanks. |
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| 15:11.50 | xmj | is there any way to do that without installing any new packages? |
| 15:12.01 | abrotman | xmj: only if hte package is installed |
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| 15:12.07 | abrotman | or use the website |
| 15:12.19 | xmj | ah |
| 15:12.31 | xmj | so, i'm trying to find out which package provides /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_default.so |
| 15:12.32 | abrotman | xmj: dpkg -S path/to/file |
| 15:12.36 | xmj | Ah |
| 15:12.59 | xmj | abrotman: thank you. |
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| 15:14.36 | skribblezatcha | abrotman: can i get taken off of the ban list for debian-offtopic please? |
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| 15:15.04 | abrotman | skribblezatcha: that's what you had to ask me? :) |
| 15:15.12 | abrotman | skribblezatcha: you oculd have msg'ed me that, sorry |
| 15:15.20 | abrotman | skribblezatcha: I came back about 10 minutes after you left |
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| 15:15.38 | skribblezatcha | i didnt know that, and yes..thats what i wanted to ask you. |
| 15:15.46 | abrotman | skribblezatcha: moment or two .. |
| 15:15.47 | skribblezatcha | its all good, no worries. :) |
| 15:16.07 | skribblezatcha | ok abrotman, thanks. |
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| 15:20.05 | gerforce | hi, i want to install bitchx, i can't locate package after running command "sudo apt-get install bitch". If there are some sources i need to add into my soures.list? |
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| 15:20.22 | abrotman | gerforce: you sohuld not use bitchx .. ever |
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| 15:20.39 | abrotman | gerforce: choose something that is still supported, etc |
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| 15:21.21 | gerforce | abrotman: bitchx is not supported now? |
| 15:21.41 | abrotman | gerforce: when was the last code update on the website? |
| 15:21.45 | abrotman | dpkg: tell gerforce about bitchx |
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| 15:23.56 | gerforce | abrotman: got it |
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| 15:42.50 | null_l33t | running deb 7.5, so I have done: sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove AND commented out the gdm line in /etc/X11/default-display-manager, what else do I need to do to stop gdm running at system startup? |
| 15:43.28 | steppen_wolf | it does still start ? |
| 15:43.47 | null_l33t | steppen_wolf,, yep |
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| 15:44.17 | steppen_wolf | is a symlink to gdm in /etc/rc[12345] ? |
| 15:44.26 | steppen_wolf | /etc/rc[12345].d/ |
| 15:44.33 | gerforce | null_i33t: sudo update-rc.d gdm3 disable 2, this will help |
| 15:44.41 | null_l33t | shouldn't update-rc.d takecare of that? |
| 15:44.54 | null_l33t | k.. |
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| 15:46.25 | null_l33t | bah.. howmany run lvls does debian have? can I exicute a single command to disable it in all runlvls? |
| 15:46.42 | null_l33t | misses fbsd :-( |
| 15:46.45 | mjt | maybe you should just remove the poor thing? |
| 15:46.52 | mjt | why install it and fight with it? |
| 15:47.03 | cra1g321 | mjt it's maybe part of a metapackage |
| 15:47.08 | null_l33t | maybe they should quit letting Rube Goldberg make commits ;-) |
| 15:47.12 | mjt | it is part of gnome |
| 15:47.31 | null_l33t | it installed out of the box |
| 15:47.40 | null_l33t | and I wanted some gnome stuff.. |
| 15:47.47 | null_l33t | just not the wm or gdm' |
| 15:47.53 | gerforce | you can learn about booting sequences from it. |
| 15:47.56 | null_l33t | systems too old for it |
| 15:47.56 | mjt | so install the stuff you wanted |
| 15:47.58 | steppen_wolf | null_l33t: juste with "disable" then |
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| 15:48.20 | doebi | i am doing a fresh install of debian, i am installing from /dev/sdb and want my / on /dev/sdc my /home on /dev/sda. how do i correctly install grub so that everything works? |
| 15:48.31 | steppen_wolf | update-rc.d gdm disable |
| 15:48.43 | null_l33t | rc has gotten way too complicated since I last used linux.. |
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| 15:49.47 | null_l33t | thanks for the help guys.. brb.. |
| 15:50.09 | steppen_wolf | doebi: from the official installer ? |
| 15:50.20 | doebi | steppen_wolf: yeah |
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| 15:51.11 | steppen_wolf | hm... grub should be installed correctly without special action, I suppose |
| 15:51.26 | doebi | i am installing now for the third time, first the usb broke, second it installed grub on /dev/sda |
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| 15:51.43 | gerforce | it should be installed in the process |
| 15:51.45 | doebi | but it should be on /dev/sdc i think |
| 15:51.50 | steppen_wolf | yes |
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| 15:52.14 | steppen_wolf | I think it should be installed on the device containing /boot partition |
| 15:52.18 | steppen_wolf | here, just / |
| 15:52.24 | doebi | well it doesnt boot, so whats wrong? |
| 15:52.41 | steppen_wolf | do you have the "boot" flag on the partition ? |
| 15:52.51 | steppen_wolf | (are you using MBR or EFI ?) |
| 15:52.57 | snoopybbt | hello guys, i logged in on one of my debian boxes but it seems i can't run binaries |
| 15:53.02 | doebi | dunno last time, but i did add one now |
| 15:53.03 | snoopybbt | -su: /bin/dmesg: cannot execute binary file |
| 15:53.08 | snoopybbt | what's happening ? |
| 15:53.31 | snoopybbt | /var/log/dmesg doesn't show anything strange |
| 15:53.59 | steppen_wolf | doebi: I would install grub on the device where /boot is, with the "boot" flag enable |
| 15:54.02 | mjt | snoopybbt: broken /lib/ld-linux.so ? |
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| 15:54.10 | steppen_wolf | + make sure that the bios tries to run on /dev/sdc first |
| 15:54.29 | doebi | steppen_wolf: thats what i am trying to do, my question is how :P |
| 15:54.37 | steppen_wolf | which part ? |
| 15:54.43 | mjt | snoopybbt: (or /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ) |
| 15:54.53 | snoopybbt | it's a 32-bit box |
| 15:55.07 | snoopybbt | and filesystem (a compact flash card) seems to be read-only... no good |
| 15:55.16 | doebi | steppen_wolf: hang on. setup is installing software. i'll call when its ready |
| 15:55.39 | steppen_wolf | the "manual" partitionning tools allows to do so ; there's also a "grub" step where you can choose the device |
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| 15:57.07 | gerforce | i installed firefox on debian.some plugins is useless even if i activated it. And i am confused |
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| 15:58.07 | cra1g321 | what plugins ? |
| 15:58.23 | mjt | firefox? |
| 15:58.27 | mjt | or iceweasel? |
| 15:58.52 | gerforce | firefox |
| 15:58.53 | cra1g321 | what version of Debian, what version of firefox/Iceweasel and what plugins ? |
| 15:59.12 | cra1g321 | how did you install it |
| 15:59.20 | mjt | !firefox |
| 15:59.20 | dpkg | Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian, ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. For actual Mozilla Firefox® support, try #firefox on irc.freenode.net. For the latest and greatest versions of Iceweasel, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>. |
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| 16:00.08 | gerforce | i downloaded firefox from website and removed iceweasel |
| 16:00.15 | doebi | steppen_wolf: now setup asks if i want to install grub to the MBR |
| 16:00.24 | atari314 | Hello, when installing debian on a 64 bit pc using the amd64-i386 hybrid netinstall iso, is it possible to force a i386 install? When I boot it, it calls the grub from the iso which calls for the "linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 -- quiet" and "initrd /install.amd/initrd.gz" |
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| 16:00.34 | steppen_wolf | you're using only debian, right ? or windows aside ? |
| 16:00.40 | abrotman | gerforce: we don't support Firefox, just Iceweasel |
| 16:00.49 | steppen_wolf | doebi |
| 16:00.51 | doebi | steppen_wolf: just debain, of course |
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| 16:01.26 | steppen_wolf | so "yes" to install it on the same device as the boot partition ? |
| 16:01.38 | doebi | steppen_wolf: dunno, it doesnt say on which device |
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| 16:01.55 | steppen_wolf | just "yes", then |
| 16:01.56 | gerforce | abrotman: first i thought it was iceweasel that did not support the plugin.so i want to try firefox ,but same problem occurs |
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| 16:02.18 | steppen_wolf | (though, the boot process remains a bit mysterious for me...) |
| 16:02.29 | snoopybbt | is there a file in /proc i can inspect for kernel messages? / is read-only so /var/log/dmesg won't report anything and i can't execute binaries like /usr/bin/dmesh |
| 16:02.33 | snoopybbt | *dmesg |
| 16:02.48 | doebi | i did 'yes' not it says 'installing grub to /dev/sda' it didnt let me select a device |
| 16:02.56 | doebi | /dev/sda is wrong for my setup |
| 16:03.13 | doebi | crappy installer |
| 16:03.14 | steppen_wolf | are you sure /dev/sdc is present ? |
| 16:03.17 | doebi | yes |
| 16:03.46 | doebi | now it says its done, but when i reboot it will be same problem as last time i guess |
| 16:03.46 | steppen_wolf | maybe you could copy the MBR |
| 16:03.48 | steppen_wolf | with dd |
| 16:03.58 | doebi | should i reboot, or do some alternation first? |
| 16:04.08 | cra1g321 | you could use the cd to install grub manually |
| 16:04.23 | cra1g321 | i'm near sure there is a option for it on the cd or dvd |
| 16:04.34 | steppen_wolf | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ |
| 16:04.45 | steppen_wolf | if your not afraid of installing a second time |
| 16:04.56 | steppen_wolf | hum |
| 16:04.57 | doebi | not another time :((( |
| 16:05.02 | steppen_wolf | not sure, in fact |
| 16:05.16 | mjt | snoopybbt: looks like your only option is to boot some rescue cd/image and inspect your system |
| 16:05.34 | steppen_wolf | grub-install /dev/sdc |
| 16:05.37 | cra1g321 | why install debian again ? surely he just needs to mount the new install with the cd and do a grub-install ? |
| 16:05.39 | steppen_wolf | from a command-line |
| 16:05.41 | snoopybbt | mjt: so if the box is remote there's nothing i can do ? |
| 16:05.45 | doebi | when i do 'no' on 'install to mbr?' and select /dev/sdc it fails |
| 16:06.12 | mjt | snoopybbt: if you can't execute binaries, your chances are highly low |
| 16:06.19 | steppen_wolf | cra1g321: yes, probably |
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| 16:06.33 | snoopybbt | mmmh... |
| 16:06.37 | snoopybbt | porco d** |
| 16:06.56 | cra1g321 | i'm gonna take a look and see if i can find the option i used a while back, not sure if it was part of cd or dvd |
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| 16:07.44 | doebi | oh wow i was able to install to /dev/sdc1 |
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| 16:07.52 | doebi | now lets hope reboot works |
| 16:08.01 | steppen_wolf | /dev/sdc1 or sdc ? |
| 16:08.12 | doebi | sdc1 |
| 16:08.24 | mjt | snoopybbt: I once was in a somewhat similar situation - I rm -rf'ed /lib while was logged over dialup modem to a remote system. So no binary was runnable. I recovered it (praying the dialup connection wont stop), but it was a big work, and my filesystem was writable. |
| 16:08.56 | doebi | looks good |
| 16:09.38 | doebi | yay, it booted. thanks steppen_wolf cra1g321 |
| 16:09.57 | steppen_wolf | not sure I was really essential :P |
| 16:09.59 | Metaleer | Re: /etc/hosts.allow ; this file is only a whitelist, right? As in, hosts and IPs that /aren't/ here aren't locked out. |
| 16:10.10 | mjt | snoopybbt: (i uploaded a tiny version of uudecode as a set of hex strings, decoded it using running bash and put into some existing executable, because chmod didn't work, and uploaded some libs in uuencoded form) |
| 16:10.21 | Metaleer | And hosts.deny is used to actively deny connections, instead. |
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| 16:11.13 | snoopybbt | mjt: wait, is that the unix disaster recovery story ? |
| 16:11.18 | mjt | snoopybbt: but in your case you need a working mount at least, and maybe dmesg, just to _inspect_ your system |
| 16:11.45 | mjt | snoopybbt: I don't know what you're talking about. What I told is a real story happened to me about 10 years ago |
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| 16:12.46 | snoopybbt | mjt: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/hack/recovery.html looks very similar |
| 16:13.07 | snoopybbt | mjt: btw, my root filesystem is ro so there's not much i can do... |
| 16:13.14 | snoopybbt | unless... |
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| 16:14.02 | iateadonut | hi - i was under a DDOS attack (I guess) - i did this and see a bunch of active connections: |
| 16:14.02 | iateadonut | netstat -n|grep :80|cut -c 45-|cut -f 1 -d ':'|sort|uniq -c|sort -nr|more |
| 16:14.02 | iateadonut | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:14.11 | iateadonut | i'm wondering how i can auto-block these types of attacks? |
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| 16:16.04 | Cyrille37 | hi all. for hours I could not resolve this error : OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 1000105f, you have 10001090 |
| 16:16.17 | mjt | iateadonut: why do you think it is an attack? What's the number of connections (per second? active?) when regular access becomes an attack? |
| 16:17.27 | iateadonut | because the group performing the attack sent an email. |
| 16:18.28 | snoopybbt | i had an external drive attached |
| 16:18.38 | snoopybbt | it is mounted as /rw |
| 16:18.42 | snoopybbt | i mean |
| 16:18.48 | snoopybbt | it is mounted as read-write |
| 16:19.11 | snoopybbt | and i was trying to cat binaries on files on its mountpoint |
| 16:19.32 | mjt | iateadonut: you can rate-limit stuff. but you'll have to determine the limit yourself |
| 16:19.33 | snoopybbt | but when i went to execute them i remembered i set that mount point as noexec |
| 16:19.37 | snoopybbt | ... |
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| 16:20.10 | mjt | you can use stuff like, eg, (while read x; do echo $x; done; ) < /proc/mounts |
| 16:20.16 | abrotman | Cyrille37: from what? |
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| 16:20.38 | snoopybbt | and tmpfs files are noexec too... |
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| 16:21.19 | abrotman | iateadonut: you don't deal with it .. your hoster does .. the upstream |
| 16:21.36 | mjt | snoopybbt: but you need mount and/or dmesg for a start. So you need some executable which you can overwrite, somewhere |
| 16:21.39 | Cyrille37 | abrotman: from openssh-server. it could not start |
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| 16:22.08 | mjt | Cyrille37: and all dependencies are okay? What versions of openssh-server and libssl? |
| 16:22.12 | iateadonut | abrotman, i see - i'm using a cheap hoster; can you recommend a VPS provider that wouldn't let this happen? |
| 16:22.22 | snoopybbt | mjt: yes that's what i was thinking |
| 16:22.24 | abrotman | iateadonut: nope, but you can ask before you sign |
| 16:22.40 | abrotman | Cyrille37: show us the log files or debug info .. plus, what is your openssh-server versoin ? |
| 16:22.41 | snoopybbt | mjt: sadly all filesystems except for / are noexec |
| 16:23.38 | mjt | so you may run ldconfig ;) |
| 16:23.41 | abrotman | Cyrille37: paste.debian.net to pastebin please |
| 16:24.14 | mjt | snoopybbt: you also may have initramfs tools which has its own version of many utils |
| 16:24.23 | mjt | snoopybbt: or even busybox-static, by a chance? |
| 16:24.56 | mjt | snoopybbt: initramfs-tools: i mean klibc-utils package |
| 16:25.01 | snoopybbt | mjt: sadly not... it's a thin-client home-server... and i'm not home :\ |
| 16:25.16 | snoopybbt | what a beautiful day for the home server to die |
| 16:25.23 | mjt | snoopybbt: do you have /usr/lib/klibc/bin/* stuff? |
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| 16:25.38 | snoopybbt | mjt: i actually do *_* |
| 16:25.56 | snoopybbt | -su: /usr/lib/klibc/bin/mount: cannot execute binary file |
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| 16:26.22 | mjt | do you have /lib to start with? |
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| 16:27.05 | snoopybbt | yes i do |
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| 16:27.40 | mjt | /usr/lib/klibc/bin/mount uses /lib/klibc-$SOMETHING.so |
| 16:28.16 | mjt | snoopybbt: what error you see when you run regular executables? |
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| 16:28.22 | mjt | (try to*) |
| 16:28.47 | snoopybbt | mjt: basically the same |
| 16:28.56 | snoopybbt | "cannot execute binary files" |
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| 16:29.32 | mjt | snoopybbt: try /usr/lib/klibc/bin/zcat < /dev/null |
| 16:29.46 | snoopybbt | same |
| 16:29.49 | mjt | snoopybbt: (that one is actually statically linked) |
| 16:30.18 | iateadonut | i've dropped through iptables, but the attack keeps coming: |
| 16:30.18 | iateadonut | root@server:~# iptables -A INPUT -s 41.141.225.152 -j DROP |
| 16:30.18 | iateadonut | root@server:~# netstat -n|grep :80|cut -c 45-|cut -f 1 -d ':'|sort|uniq -c|sort -nr|more |
| 16:30.18 | iateadonut | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:30.42 | snoopybbt | lol |
| 16:30.51 | snoopybbt | hey debhelper |
| 16:31.22 | iateadonut | sorry - i tried to drop the ip, but it seems like they are still attacking: iptables -A INPUT -s 41.141.225.152 -j DROP - i did that, but the connections still appear in netstat |
| 16:31.29 | mjt | snoopybbt: how about ldconfig? |
| 16:31.43 | MACscr | im automating some server provisioning with puppet and i noticed that postfix asks you the install type during the middle of installing it with apt-get. Is there a way to bypass that check? |
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| 16:32.30 | mjt | MACscr: you can pre-set the answer using debconf-set-selections (iirc) |
| 16:33.18 | cra1g321 | n |
| 16:33.43 | mjt | snoopybbt: that looks like much deeper problem. What happened, which lead to current situation? |
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| 16:34.32 | snoopybbt | mjt: that box runs off a compact flash card. i suspect that card reached its end-of-life |
| 16:34.59 | iateadonut | or is there a more appropriate channel for my question? |
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| 16:35.41 | Chelsea_Jergens | Hi everyone |
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| 16:45.14 | MACscr | mjt: thanks. Actually DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install postfix -y, worked perfectly |
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| 16:46.02 | Walex | iateadonut: ##networking #Netfilter |
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| 16:49.21 | Walex | iateadonut: but the answer has already been given: by the time the traffic has reached your system, you can't do much. |
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| 16:49.30 | Bewilled | Hi, when executing a program, that program seems to be missing some Libs, but they are included in the same folder where the executable is. Why are they not being detected? |
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| 16:49.59 | Walex | Bewilled: read carefully 'man ld.so' |
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| 16:52.45 | jhutchins | iateadonut: It doesn't work the way you think it does. The packets still all reach the kernel, they just don't get passed to internal processes. |
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| 16:53.05 | mjt | Bewilled: unlike windows, linux does not include magic directories in $PATH |
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| 16:55.19 | Walex | mjt: I wish that were really true, but it is mostly true for the kernel at least :-) |
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| 16:56.03 | Walex | mjt: the Microsoftization of GNU/Linux is progressing, and lots of environment and subsystems have "magic" paths. |
| 16:56.25 | mjt | that smells like a nonsense, at least in the way I meant to say that |
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| 16:57.03 | mjt | by magic paths I meant current dir (.) and directory where the executable is located, -- both are prepended to $PATH in windows by the kernel |
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| 16:57.37 | dv- | you can do that on linux too |
| 16:57.59 | mjt | no, please don't patch linux kernel for that, thank you |
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| 16:58.44 | Walex | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.17 | mjt | more likely systemd will gain its own kernel to replace linux |
| 16:59.26 | dv- | the systemd people have now made it so you don't need /etc any more. it's just re-built from scripts in /usr on every boot |
| 16:59.29 | Walex | mjt: eventually ! :-) |
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| 17:00.16 | Walex | dv-: and where scripts are not enough to rebuild the configs, Emacs will become another 'systemd' plugin :-) |
| 17:00.33 | mjt | guys, this is far from being funny |
| 17:00.47 | Walex | mjt: it is not funny -- it is prophecy :-) |
| 17:01.52 | null_l33t | well, gdm is now disabled. Thanks for the help people. |
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| 17:02.10 | dv- | it's kinda weird any way. one of the rationales for systemd was to avoid scripts |
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| 17:03.09 | null_l33t | thought that's what rc.local was for? |
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| 17:03.41 | null_l33t | know's rc.local is too simple to properly manage daemons |
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| 17:08.28 | rgr | avoid scripts? |
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| 17:10.32 | OpenTokix | I use monit |
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| 17:14.20 | Walex | null_l33t: managing daemons and doing startup are completely different things, and should not be done in the same tool. |
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| 17:15.09 | Walex | null_l33t: one of the big problems with the UNIX model of doing things is that there is no well defined concept of "daemon", and this creates quite a few uncertainties. |
| 17:16.06 | Walex | or perhaps the UNIX notion of "daemon" is so different from the Microsoft notion of "daemon" that many people just reject it. |
| 17:16.10 | null_l33t | Walex, I like how fbsd does it tbh.. |
| 17:16.30 | Walex | null_l33t: BSD startup is largely UNIX like... |
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| 17:16.47 | Walex | null_l33t: I don't know about BSD "daemon" management. |
| 17:17.08 | null_l33t | it's refined to a single file for the most part, /etc/rc.conf |
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| 17:17.30 | Walex | BTW for people reading this, Debian has packages for several 'init' systems, startup systems and daemon managers. |
| 17:17.36 | null_l33t | and you edit variables for each serivce you setup |
| 17:18.08 | null_l33t | I don't mind init.d, but it seems to have gotten overly complicated |
| 17:18.10 | Walex | as to daemon managers I like one called "nosh" which is inspired by 'daemontools' by the indomitable DJC |
| 17:18.27 | Walex | DJB (not DJC) |
| 17:18.48 | Walex | null_l33t: yes, that rc.conf is fairly UNIXy. |
| 17:19.07 | null_l33t | has never wirked with UNIX(tm) |
| 17:19.33 | null_l33t | my last time using linux was with slackware like 15+ years ago. |
| 17:19.36 | Walex | null_l33t: but the SystemV style 'init' and daemon manager has AFAIK actually never used. Very few people actually use 'inittab' |
| 17:19.54 | abrotman | well, use it directly |
| 17:20.10 | Walex | null_l33t: GNU/Linux is a UNIX variant, and Slackware is very close to the original |
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| 17:20.19 | Walex | abrotman: yes, I means directly. |
| 17:20.42 | Walex | we'll see what the Gentoo people do too. |
| 17:20.51 | abrotman | everyone uses it .. most just don't know it |
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| 17:21.13 | null_l33t | tried gentoo before installing debian |
| 17:21.26 | null_l33t | portage seems badly broken |
| 17:21.45 | cra1g321 | only if you tell it to break ;) |
| 17:21.46 | abrotman | tell #gentoo, not #debian .. Thank you |
| 17:21.56 | null_l33t | there was so many problems with init vs systemd in it I just installed debian over it |
| 17:22.08 | null_l33t | and their docs sucked :-\ |
| 17:22.18 | abrotman | null_l33t: enough ... |
| 17:22.21 | cra1g321 | docs sucked ? |
| 17:22.34 | abrotman | null_l33t: this is a Debian support channel .. otherwise, please leave the channel open for others |
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| 17:27.10 | david_ | need some major help. Need to enable nova open source driver because I tried installing nvidia driver but had some issues |
| 17:27.53 | david_ | currently the only way I was able to boot into my gnome desktop my by commenting out some lines in xorg.conf |
| 17:28.17 | david_ | but now my only resolution aviable is 600by 300 |
| 17:29.25 | david_ | last command I ran was apt-get purge ^nvidia* ^libnvidia and then I commented out the nvidia section in xorg.conf. Can anyone help me out? |
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| 17:30.18 | Walex | david_: probably not in a simple way |
| 17:30.38 | ctmjr | nova driver? do you mean vesa? |
| 17:30.49 | Walex | david_: how did you install the nVidia proprietary driver? |
| 17:30.55 | Walex | ctmjr: "noveau" |
| 17:30.59 | zykotick9 | david_: sidenote, propritary nvidia adds a blacklist for nouveau, that you must manually remove before nouveau will work again... |
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| 17:31.54 | david_ | okay at this point how can I get "noveau" working again? |
| 17:32.33 | david_ | the only part commented out in xorg.conf is the nvidia section. If I didnt comment it out I would onnce again boot into a command prompt and not know what to do |
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| 17:33.03 | zykotick9 | david_: personally, if it's possible, i'd try without xorg.conf to see what happens... |
| 17:33.12 | jhutchins | Walex: Um, MS doesn't run daemons, they run services. |
| 17:33.21 | david_ | you mean remove xorg.conf? |
| 17:33.31 | david_ | completely? |
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| 17:33.36 | zykotick9 | david_: mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.ORIG |
| 17:33.51 | jhutchins | !nvidia |
| 17:33.51 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:34.03 | jhutchins | !nouveau |
| 17:34.04 | dpkg | The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for Nvidia GPUs (Riva, TNT, GeForce, Quadro). Nouveau <DRM> is part of the Linux kernel, the display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read its README.Debian file for important notes). 3D acceleration is available as of Debian 7 "Wheezy", install the libgl1-mesa-dri package. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:34.41 | jhutchins | david_: Undoing the proprietary driver install depends on how you installed it in the first place. |
| 17:36.24 | jhutchins | david_: I'd say zykotick9's suggestion is a good first step. |
| 17:36.38 | jhutchins | david_: REmember, you don't have to reboot just to restart X. |
| 17:37.03 | jhutchins | david_: Also, did you install a binary kernel driver? You will have to remove or blacklist it, and unload it (rmmod). |
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| 17:37.10 | doebi | when compiling some library from source i need to link/install/whatever them with libtool, what command am i looking for? |
| 17:37.44 | david_ | heres a link to the video i used |
| 17:37.51 | david_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKs9MubGy1A |
| 17:37.57 | david_ | i did everything he did |
| 17:38.12 | david_ | and heres the last command before problems started: |
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| 17:39.51 | david_ | apt-get -t wheezy-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx build-essential nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig |
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| 17:40.23 | cra1g321 | why did you install the backports driver ? |
| 17:40.53 | david_ | thats the one that causes me to boot into a comand prompt screen at boot. Also once again to under the last command i tried to undeo this was that purge one i typed above |
| 17:41.09 | david_ | I wanted to use backports to get the lastest driver |
| 17:42.30 | david_ | at this point in time the driver has been removed with the purge command above, and there was still some modifictions that had to been done to xorg before being 100 sucessfull. |
| 17:42.36 | david_ | 100% |
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| 17:43.49 | david_ | thats were im at now. So I just want to get back to that open source Nova driver now and start over |
| 17:44.07 | cra1g321 | well the backports driver currently doesn't compile with a linux kernel from backports, so thats maybe why it didnt work for you to begin with |
| 17:44.19 | cra1g321 | what files did you create ? |
| 17:44.25 | cra1g321 | conf files * |
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| 17:45.09 | david_ | the only file i created I already removed it. Now I only have the xorg.conf file |
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| 17:46.26 | david_ | the original config file i made was /ect/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-nvidia.conf and in it was something about Section "device" driver "nvidia" ect..... |
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| 17:46.55 | david_ | so any ideas guys? |
| 17:47.28 | cra1g321 | you mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf ? |
| 17:47.35 | david_ | yea that one |
| 17:47.37 | iateadonut | thanks, guys. |
| 17:47.48 | david_ | but I removed it after using the purge command |
| 17:47.55 | david_ | so it no longer exist |
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| 17:48.06 | cra1g321 | i'm not sure how nouveau gets blacklisted, but check /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 17:48.39 | cra1g321 | or look in /etc/modprobe.d for any nvidia files |
| 17:48.53 | cra1g321 | i'm guessing nouveau is still blacklisted to not load |
| 17:49.05 | jhutchins | david_: Double check, purge might not always work with non-debian packages. |
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| 17:49.18 | david_ | its empy in there cralg321 |
| 17:49.47 | david_ | how can i double check it? |
| 17:49.49 | cra1g321 | so have you changed the driver in your xorg.conf from to nvidia to nouveau ? |
| 17:49.56 | jhutchins | david_: You should probably try working without an xorg.conf, and be suspicious of other file sin xorg.conf.d, You can also look for modprobe.conf and other files in modprobe.d |
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| 17:49.58 | david_ | no |
| 17:50.20 | david_ | should i do that cralg |
| 17:50.21 | david_ | ? |
| 17:50.30 | cra1g321 | yes |
| 17:50.45 | david_ | jhutchins do you also think thats a good idea |
| 17:50.46 | david_ | ? |
| 17:51.02 | cra1g321 | you need to tell xorg you want it to use the nouveau driver |
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| 17:52.00 | cra1g321 | also check the nouveau packages are installed |
| 17:52.18 | david_ | okay and if that fails, should i then try removing xorg.conf complteley ? |
| 17:52.48 | cra1g321 | well you still need a xorg.conf |
| 17:53.07 | david_ | okay before I do anything, how can I check to make sure i have the right packages for nouveau driver right now ? |
| 17:53.14 | cra1g321 | i dont know if there's a backup or what the default xorg.conf contains |
| 17:53.19 | david_ | installed that is |
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| 17:53.55 | cra1g321 | it should be the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package |
| 17:54.33 | david_ | okay ill do an apt-get install <packagename> for that one then |
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| 17:57.31 | david_ | after running aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
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| 17:57.52 | david_ | i get: No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 17:57.53 | david_ | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded. |
| 17:57.53 | david_ | Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. |
| 17:57.57 | david_ | does that mean im good |
| 17:58.30 | redShadow | hi guys! ..does anybody know how to make multitail leave control characters alone -- IE not escape them? something like less' -R |
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| 17:59.08 | redShadow | had a look at the manpage but didn't find anything :( but maybe they just gave the option some weird name..? |
| 17:59.12 | cra1g321 | yeah it's already installed |
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| 18:00.21 | ctmjr | if you do not have anything in /etc/modprobe.d then the nouveau driver is conflicting with the nvidia driver. you need to get rid of one or the other, since you purged the nvidia one you should move the xorg.conf file and reboot. |
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| 18:00.58 | david_ | okay this is how the nvidia section now look for my xorg.conf |
| 18:01.01 | david_ | Section "Device" |
| 18:01.02 | david_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.02 | david_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.02 | david_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.02 | david_ | EndSection |
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| 18:01.59 | david_ | sorry for flood but did my conf file look good? |
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| 18:03.28 | abrotman | use paste.debian.net |
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| 18:03.59 | ctmjr | you do not need a xorg.conf file with the nouveau driver but you can reboot and see what happens |
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| 18:04.35 | david_ | do i need to chage vendor name or add anything else ? |
| 18:04.58 | cra1g321 | no, its only a description as far as i know |
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| 18:05.37 | david_ | thx for the help ill reboot now |
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| 18:06.48 | null_l33t | is pkg build-essential obsolete? I'm following the kernel-handbook from alioth and it said to -apt-get that |
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| 18:08.29 | null_l33t | but now I'm getting an error.. not avaliable.. refrenced by another pkg.. may be obsolete or only avaliable from another source |
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| 18:10.53 | cra1g321 | you're l33t, figure it out |
| 18:10.56 | null_l33t | do the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list all get tried, or is does it use the first listed? |
| 18:11.10 | cra1g321 | all get used |
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| 18:11.24 | null_l33t | bah.. if the docs don't say and debian dieviated from the norms, then how am I suppposed to RTFM? |
| 18:11.31 | mjt | (unless apt-get update or equivalent hasn't been run) |
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| 18:12.45 | lucido | how can I transfer an LVM debian install to a new hdd_ |
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| 18:13.07 | cra1g321 | null_l33t copy and paste the contents of your sources.list file to http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 18:15.04 | null_l33t | http://paste.debian.net/106179/ |
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| 18:15.28 | cra1g321 | bingo |
| 18:15.40 | cra1g321 | you don't have main repository |
| 18:15.47 | null_l33t | guess I'm windering if I need to move security* below ftp.us* |
| 18:15.53 | null_l33t | *wondering |
| 18:16.00 | cra1g321 | it doesnt matter what order they are in |
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| 18:16.21 | null_l33t | what repo do I need? |
| 18:16.29 | cra1g321 | 1min |
| 18:16.34 | null_l33t | k |
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| 18:18.44 | cra1g321 | null_l33t http://paste.debian.net/106182/ |
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| 18:22.26 | DGMurdockIII | hey i have a qustion im wanting to start using Debian but i have a Killer E2200 network card |
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| 18:22.39 | DGMurdockIII | i found this https://wiki.debian.org/alx |
| 18:22.46 | cra1g321 | null_l33t remember to do apt-get update after you changed your sources.list file |
| 18:23.04 | DGMurdockIII | is it supported out of the box |
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| 18:23.55 | null_l33t | cra1g321, so I was just missing the first 2 repos? The urls are identical to the ones I already have, only diff was in yours is't just "wheezy" and not "wheezy-updates" (need to read up on apt more.. :-\) |
| 18:25.43 | null_l33t | should I grab a more recent kernel, or stick with 3.2.* |
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| 18:26.40 | cra1g321 | yes you were missing the top 2 lines, dont remove wheezy-updates, you will need it |
| 18:27.18 | null_l33t | I kept it, figured you'd have shown me one without those if I didn't need them |
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| 18:30.06 | null_l33t | it's offering "suggested" pkgs.. I assume it's not gonna install those, should I also apt-get those as well? |
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| 18:30.32 | cra1g321 | why do you want a a newer kernel ? |
| 18:32.35 | null_l33t | well, I'm not sure if I even need one tbh.. the only hardware not working atm is my ipad and that looks to be related to libimobiledevice stuff |
| 18:33.06 | cra1g321 | most idevices dont play well with linux, |
| 18:33.12 | cra1g321 | you can thank apple for that |
| 18:33.25 | null_l33t | yeah, I nkow.. I so regret getting it |
| 18:33.56 | null_l33t | lmfao.. I had presumed it would have worked with fbsd.. |
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| 18:34.13 | null_l33t | anyways.. |
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| 18:34.56 | null_l33t | so no real need to move to a newer kernel then? |
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| 18:35.20 | dimitry7 | Hi guys! How are you?. How can backup one samba server to my backup samba server (both are in production). I do rsync but I DON'T want root from samba server to log in as root in my backup (for sercurity). I created a backup user, but it creates all files as owned but it, how do I do for it to preserve permissions? every file or directory shared's got different as are shared to different users. |
| 18:35.28 | dimitry7 | * How can I |
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| 18:36.01 | dimitry7 | btw I have like two TB of information. |
| 18:36.14 | dimitry7 | so I can't compress all that. |
| 18:36.22 | dimitry7 | no, 3.5 TB |
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| 18:37.21 | Johnon | hi guys someone knows where to insert the public key? When i update get always this error: W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net wheezy-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY |
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| 18:37.31 | teraflop | does not rsync -o (asroot) preserve user ownership¿ |
| 18:37.49 | chalcedony | i downloaded debian-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso on my windows system, to make the DVD, how can i do a checksum to make sure this one is ok? |
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| 18:38.33 | dimitry7 | teraflop, it is included in the -a option, and It does, but only for root |
| 18:38.39 | jhutchins | !checksum |
| 18:39.15 | teraflop | oh yes thats true dimitry7 |
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| 18:39.31 | spawnrad | Hi, have trouble with postfix. I have tons of email with from : fakeuser@mydomain.com and i don't know how to filter them and delete them from my queue. Can someone give me some advice to search how to do that please? that's spambot who use my domain to send email? Thank in advance and sorry for my bad english. 10hour in that trouble and i don't know what wrong |
| 18:39.34 | obsed | hmm does Debian default to alsa or pulseaudio ? |
| 18:39.51 | Nik05 | no default? |
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| 18:40.15 | chalcedony | obsed, you need pulseaudio, then alsa |
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| 18:40.35 | dimitry7 | teraflop, what would you do? I do need to have this server all ready for when the main server fails. And I need to have all the files owned by their corresponding users. |
| 18:40.38 | obsed | chalcedony: ah right so you mean to say both are supposed to be installed & used ? |
| 18:40.39 | jhutchins | obsed: pulseaudio runs on top of alsa. |
| 18:40.48 | obsed | jhutchins: ahh thank you, hehe |
| 18:41.00 | jhutchins | obsed: Although you really don't need it, many packages require it these days. |
| 18:41.17 | jhutchins | obsed: It doesn't cause as many problems as it did a couple of years ago. |
| 18:41.19 | dimitry7 | teraflop, probably you're going to tell me to virtualize and trust me, I will, but for now I need this. |
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| 18:41.41 | obsed | jhutchins: yeah just afew programs need it i guess |
| 18:42.15 | chalcedony | jhutchins, i read this https://www.debian.org/CD/verify i can't see what to do from it? |
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| 18:42.40 | jhutchins | chalcedony: I had something scribbled somewhere, hang on... |
| 18:42.57 | chalcedony | jhutchins, ah no rush - busy day here |
| 18:44.10 | teraflop | dimitry7: |ssh -l user? |
| 18:44.12 | jhutchins | chalcedony: Here's the one from Microsoft itself: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/841290 |
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| 18:45.12 | dimitry7 | teraflop, I do that with the backup user, otherwise I would need root credencials... but wait... i got an idea |
| 18:45.14 | jhutchins | teraflop: rsync -a will preserve ownership/permissions by UID. |
| 18:45.15 | dimitry7 | teraflop, NFS :-D |
| 18:45.27 | jhutchins | teraflop: As long as the UIDs match on both systems you should be fine. |
| 18:45.36 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, only as root |
| 18:45.40 | teraflop | dimitry7: |ssh -l user then su whatever |
| 18:46.09 | dimitry7 | teraflop, yes. It does NOT preserve permissions as a user other than root. |
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| 18:46.24 | jhutchins | dimitry7: Well, if the files are owned by multiple users of course you'd run it as root. |
| 18:46.30 | teraflop | rsync -r -a -v -e “ssh -l myuser" ? |
| 18:46.42 | jhutchins | dimitry7: It will preserve them for a user too, but only if they have rw permissions. |
| 18:46.48 | OpenTokix | rsync -avP myuser@host:/blah . |
| 18:46.49 | teraflop | i said so jhutchins |
| 18:47.08 | teraflop | hes cheating me :P |
| 18:47.33 | dimitry7 | teraflop, no, I won't do it as root |
| 18:47.34 | dimitry7 | no way |
| 18:47.55 | dimitry7 | I will never use root to do a simple backup. There most be something there. |
| 18:48.10 | teraflop | ssh -l myuser <= whereis root? |
| 18:48.16 | dimitry7 | We're linux, we can do anything. |
| 18:48.22 | dimitry7 | any tool |
| 18:48.37 | dimitry7 | I used rsnapshot |
| 18:48.43 | dimitry7 | what a crap. |
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| 18:49.02 | OpenTokix | dimitry7: you can use any user you want, just add user@ to the backup line in rsnapshot |
| 18:49.36 | OpenTokix | dimitry7: ie. backup backupuser@host:/etc /machine |
| 18:49.47 | dimitry7 | teraflop, yep I do ssh -l or user@ ... with -avPoe etc etc... It does not preserve them if it is not root. |
| 18:49.58 | dimitry7 | OpenTokix, that does not preserve permissions |
| 18:50.04 | jhutchins | dimitry7: Not sure where you get your system administration info, but I just checked the manpage for rsync. You might want to re-read it. |
| 18:50.08 | OpenTokix | dimitry7: no, henche why you need root |
| 18:50.33 | teraflop | dimitry7: anyway dimitry7 do as the user of your choice |
| 18:50.39 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, I have read it! |
| 18:50.53 | teraflop | simple use the correct user dimitry7 |
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| 18:53.33 | dimitry7 | will use nfs, rsync can't preserve permissions when not used as root. |
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| 18:53.50 | dimitry7 | only root can do that. |
| 18:54.13 | dimitry7 | btw I don't need permissions exactly, but ownership |
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| 18:55.02 | Amarande | unghhhh, ever do research on your problem on the web and come out with a really, really, really sad result? |
| 18:55.31 | Amarande | apparently, I did some more poking around, and it sounds like this onboard sound is complete bunk for linux |
| 18:55.39 | Amarande | (why should I be surprised, it took me like an hour to get the driver working on windows, too) |
| 18:56.53 | Amarande | alas, like I mentioned last night, it's an alc1150 |
| 18:57.04 | Amarande | did some googling around about this. here's a lovely little gem from the OpenSuSE boards: "There are many threads on the internet regarding the Realtek ALC1150 driver and alsa, with most ending up buying some other soundcard. ;-)" |
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| 18:57.25 | Amarande | *sigh* |
| 18:57.31 | teraflop | look at the date of the posts Amarande |
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| 18:58.04 | teraflop | sometimes the posts are outdated |
| 18:58.39 | Amarande | teraflop: the post mentioning this is from January 19 of this year |
| 18:58.44 | teraflop | uhm |
| 18:58.58 | Amarande | however, I have yet to find any actual tales of alc1150 woes actually resolving well |
| 18:59.09 | Amarande | well, I did see one, but at the end I read that the guy said he put his sound blaster back in, lol |
| 18:59.22 | DanielI | I have yet to hear success stories with alc1150. |
| 18:59.41 | Amarande | DanielI: likely to be supported soon, or is it a particularly intractable chipset? |
| 18:59.44 | teraflop | Amarande: may try with newer kernels |
| 18:59.46 | jhutchins | Amarande: pciid? |
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| 19:00.10 | jhutchins | Artemis3: From lspci -nn |
| 19:00.11 | Amarande | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Lynx Point High Definition Audio Controller [8086:8c20] (rev 05) |
| 19:00.16 | DanielI | Trying a newer kernel might help. |
| 19:00.31 | Amarande | yeah, I'm using the 3.14 wheezy backport kernel |
| 19:00.33 | jhutchins | ,pciid 8086:8c20 |
| 19:00.34 | judd | [8086:8c20] is '8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:8c20 |
| 19:00.42 | DanielI | Amarande, the one time I used that chipset I had to hack and slash to get sound at all. Got poor quality even. |
| 19:00.56 | Amarande | DanielI: yeah, even the Windows drivers for this chipset are painful to get working right |
| 19:01.12 | DanielI | Agreed. |
| 19:01.16 | Amarande | I want to know what ASUS was smoking when they decided it was good to include this on their flagship ROG series boards |
| 19:01.24 | teraflop | heh |
| 19:01.29 | DanielI | And when you get it working, it doesn't take a lot to f*** it over. |
| 19:01.58 | Amarande | I'm guessing this is gonna be the kind of sad case where we won't see support till Linux 4 or somesuch? heh |
| 19:02.04 | teraflop | Amarande: try the 3.15.1 its the new stable regarding kernel.org |
| 19:02.28 | teraflop | i have a cople of machines with that kernel, no issues |
| 19:02.33 | Amarande | hrm, is there a hardware compatibility list anywhere for the kernel? |
| 19:02.36 | teraflop | s/couple |
| 19:02.38 | jhutchins | It is supported in wheezy per the above. |
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| 19:02.54 | Eren97 | How to blacklist nouveau? |
| 19:02.56 | Eren97 | I'm in recovery |
| 19:02.58 | Amarande | like, that doesn't involve having to deep trawl the source tree wading through individual readmes? |
| 19:03.12 | Eren97 | As normal boot leads to blank console |
| 19:03.20 | jhutchins | Artemis3: http://www.alsa-project.org/ |
| 19:03.52 | jhutchins | Amarande: http://www.alsa-project.org/ |
| 19:04.08 | Eren97 | Anyone? |
| 19:04.18 | teraflop | Eren97: echo "blacklist nouveau" > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf |
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| 19:04.57 | Amarande | also apparently there seem to be loads of issues with getting the sound to come out the analog ports instead of hdmi |
| 19:05.13 | Amarande | it seems to be a common search thing to come up with alc1150 issues, actually |
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| 19:05.26 | Amarande | wonder if it has to do with realtek embracing digital rights management :( |
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| 19:05.44 | Amarande | are we finally starting to see the death of old school analog speakers? |
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| 19:05.52 | Eren97 | teraflop: thanks will try later |
| 19:05.57 | teraflop | yw Eren97 |
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| 19:06.16 | Eren97 | Is it probably going to be the reason? |
| 19:06.17 | DanielI | I have a Realtek chipset on my ROG board (main desktop computer) and I was able to use generic drivers in both Linux and Windows. |
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| 19:06.41 | Eren97 | As reboot leads to blank console as it says in documentation |
| 19:06.48 | Amarande | DanielI: which iteration of Maximus are you on? |
| 19:06.58 | Amarande | ... I'm gonna find out I should have effing gone with ivy bridge instead of haswell aren't I |
| 19:07.00 | Amarande | gah |
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| 19:07.16 | DanielI | I'm on a custom ordered one, based on the newest model |
| 19:07.32 | Amarande | apparently the VI Gene is alc1150 |
| 19:07.32 | DanielI | I have 8 x 8GiB RAM mounted, plus an AMD processor |
| 19:07.35 | DanielI | Oh, bleh. |
| 19:07.37 | Amarande | ah, you're on an LGA2011 |
| 19:07.45 | Amarande | that means you're still on a IV series most likely |
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| 19:07.53 | Amarande | they must have changed at some point between sandy and haswell |
| 19:07.55 | DanielI | I can't remember it. |
| 19:08.02 | DanielI | I have the docs in one of my mail boxes. |
| 19:08.09 | Amarande | er wait, you're on AMD? |
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| 19:08.12 | DanielI | Yes, so no LGA |
| 19:08.17 | Amarande | but yeah, you're definitely on an older board if you have 8 RAM slots |
| 19:08.28 | DanielI | That's why I ordered a custom M/B |
| 19:08.43 | DanielI | To be able to chug all the RAM chips in it. |
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| 19:09.16 | frostschutz | you can just use duct tape |
| 19:10.32 | Amarande | oh, man, this guy is in for pain |
| 19:10.42 | Amarande | "Has anybody had any problems with linux especially with ASUS' new SupremeFX sound codec(instead of realtec)?" -- an ASUS ROG board post asking about the Maximus VI boards |
| 19:10.48 | Amarande | that shiny supremefx sound? |
| 19:10.52 | Amarande | ... it's realtek, ROFL |
| 19:11.01 | frostschutz | Amarande, I have a "00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 8 Series/C220 Series Chipset High Definition Audio Controller [8086:8c20] (rev 05)" and it works fine |
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| 19:11.19 | DanielI | Duct tape. |
| 19:11.21 | Amarande | hrm, 8086:8c20 is the same pci id that mine has |
| 19:11.24 | DanielI | Tried it on an old motherboard just for fun |
| 19:11.40 | Amarande | but my lspci claims it as a "lynx point" instead of "8 series/C220 series" |
| 19:11.41 | DanielI | It broke when the tape got heated up a tiny bot. |
| 19:11.47 | DanielI | bit* |
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| 19:12.47 | Amarande | I'm still not sure why realtek felt they needed a new sound codec |
| 19:12.55 | Amarande | to improve sound? that would only make sense if speakers were improving |
| 19:13.02 | cathode | hi. anyone have an idea why dd would say 'no space left on device' after only 10MB written when attempting to write to /dev/hda (booted to a livecd)? |
| 19:13.17 | frostschutz | cathode, that's usually because there is no space left on device? |
| 19:13.19 | Amarande | but speakers are pretty much mature tech nowadays, plus if anything they're degenerating (as people move from old school shelf speakers to things like cheap earbuds ...) |
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| 19:13.43 | cathode | frostschutz if that were actually the problem do you *REALLY* think i would come here and waste your time with that? |
| 19:13.46 | frostschutz | cathode, maybe hda did not exist and you filled a regular file in a /dev tmpfs instead |
| 19:14.39 | frostschutz | hda is unusual these days anyhow |
| 19:14.42 | cathode | no, /dev/hda is a 587GB disk and i had a previous 'dd' process running that terminated unexpectedly after writing 127GB (should have written 300GB) |
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| 19:15.51 | jhutchins | cathode: what does fdisk -l /dev/sda show? |
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| 19:16.13 | frostschutz | cathode, ls -l /dev/hda |
| 19:16.48 | jhutchins | cathode: or hda rather. |
| 19:17.02 | cathode | jhutchins - it's showing 10MB, but that is wrong because it's a whole 587GB volume... |
| 19:17.27 | jhutchins | cathode: There may be something wrong with it. |
| 19:17.36 | jhutchins | cathode: Why did the previous dd process terminate? |
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| 19:19.47 | DGMurdockIII | i found this https://wiki.debian.org/alx |
| 19:19.56 | DGMurdockIII | is it supported out of the box on jessie |
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| 19:20.16 | DGMurdockIII | for the Killer E2200 |
| 19:20.28 | jhutchins | cathode: Can't help if you don't respond. Later. |
| 19:20.41 | Amarande | btw, regarding 3.15.1 |
| 19:20.52 | Amarande | I'm guessing you mean build the kernel manually, since there is no 3.15 in bpo? |
| 19:21.09 | Amarande | 3.14 bpo did nothing for the sound issues |
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| 19:23.01 | cathode | looks like i was using /dev/hda instead of /dev/sda |
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| 19:23.30 | cathode | i'm a BSD user 99% of the time so i'm not familiar with linux terminology |
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| 19:41.56 | Mike9863 | Keyboard Shortcuts are broken in sid's version of GNOME unless I use GNOME Shell. Is there any way to get around this issue? |
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| 19:59.23 | LinuxGuy2020 | Are the backported packages supported just the same as the main, contrib, non-free package sections? Or is it recomended to only install whats needed and then remove the source? |
| 19:59.49 | LinuxGuy2020 | Would it be bad to upgrade packages from it or would that cause breakages/instability? |
| 19:59.57 | formorer | that wouldn't happen |
| 20:00.05 | formorer | backports aren't considered for upgrades |
| 20:00.11 | LinuxGuy2020 | ok |
| 20:00.18 | formorer | unless you already installed the package from backports |
| 20:00.37 | LinuxGuy2020 | i see that seems good policy |
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| 20:00.58 | formorer | I hope so, we had to change apt and the archive software to make this possible |
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| 20:03.29 | LinuxGuy2020 | I saw that mate-desktop-environment got added to backports. Does it have all the dependencies drawn in automatically? Like xserver, display manager, etc? I had mate installed from the 3rd party repo they had listed on the mate website and you had to install them seperately. Just wondered if someone may have tried it and knows for sure. |
| 20:05.01 | formorer | xserver and display managers aren't a dependency of a desktop. you can happily run it without them |
| 20:05.07 | zykotick9 | LinuxGuy2020: sidenote, i would recommend you purge all the 3rd party repo mate, before trying to install the backports version. i certainly haven't tried it. |
| 20:05.09 | formorer | so I wouldn't bet on it |
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| 20:10.20 | equex | omg what have you done to gnome in 7.5 |
| 20:10.35 | equex | and it talks |
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| 20:11.54 | equex | why is speech enabled by default ? |
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| 20:12.33 | equex | and how do i get the panel back lol |
| 20:12.57 | equex | metro ahoy |
| 20:13.03 | LinuxGuy2020 | formorer: How is xserver not a requirement for a desktop? |
| 20:13.20 | LinuxGuy2020 | formorer: CLI based system sure. |
| 20:14.12 | LinuxGuy2020 | zykotick9: Yes I will most likely start fresh and use the debian repo only for mate install. |
| 20:15.03 | mtn | equex: assuming you aren't trolling, gnome has never had speech enabled any time I have installed it and gnome 3 does have a panel |
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| 20:15.55 | TheQuestionmark | Just to make this sure, playdeb isn't for the use in Debian Stable, is it? |
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| 20:18.59 | equex | for some reason mine had it enabled. |
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| 20:27.49 | LinuxGuy2020 | TheQuestionmark: The website says Ubuntu gaming made easy. |
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| 20:29.33 | TheQuestionmark | Yea, I just wanted to have confirmation on that, I use to play games with some Arch dudes from time to time who easily get annoyed by those old packages Debian offers for me. |
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| 20:50.03 | equex | what is the easiest way to get back the regular usability paradigm in 7.5 gnome ? |
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| 20:50.23 | equex | for example, how do i open two terninals without getting the old terminal window in focus |
| 20:50.33 | equex | this activity thing is very confusing |
| 20:51.19 | Bewilled | any magic pills out there for glibc6 backward compatibility? |
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| 20:53.08 | SynrG | equex: i don't remember. right-click the icon to create a new one? |
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| 20:53.34 | SynrG | it's just that the norm is to not have multiple of one application open at once, so it's not the default behaviour |
| 20:53.50 | CalimeroTeknik | hi! * The PostgreSQL server failed to start. Please check the log output. |
| 20:53.54 | CalimeroTeknik | where is the log? |
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| 21:03.53 | monode | hi, I have installed linthesia (keyboard training software) and it crashes on startup with "GdkGLExt-WARNING **: cannot load PangoFont" |
| 21:04.21 | monode | various internet sources suggest changing the font name with gconf-editor, which I did, and that error still appears. the application is unusable |
| 21:04.26 | jhutchins | CalimeroTeknik: Logs are usually in /var/log, but some apps maintain their own in their own directory. |
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| 21:04.42 | jhutchins | CalimeroTeknik: If not obvious, find the configuration file and see where it specifies. |
| 21:05.39 | monode | also, libpangomm-1.4-1 is already the newest version |
| 21:05.50 | monode | so uuuh.. not sure what to do. |
| 21:06.04 | jhutchins | monode: Which release are you using, and did you install it from the official repos? |
| 21:06.42 | monode | i installed it, of course, from the official repos, using wheezy main |
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| 21:08.32 | babilen | monode: Not to say that your problem shouldn't be solved, but take a look at gtypist. It is a very good typing tutor (no-fuzz though) for the command line. I can assure you that you'll be a fast touch typist soon with that problem. |
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| 21:08.44 | monode | piano keyboard. |
| 21:08.57 | monode | sorry, should have mentioned that |
| 21:09.06 | babilen | chuckles |
| 21:09.08 | babilen | haha |
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| 21:09.25 | babilen | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=719288 is the bug in question btw |
| 21:09.45 | babilen | judd: v linthesia |
| 21:09.46 | judd | Package: linthesia on i386 -- squeeze: 0.4-1; wheezy: 0.4.2-3; sid: 0.4.2-6 |
| 21:10.07 | Amarande | hm, conclusion arrived at: I require a sound card |
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| 21:10.22 | Amarande | time to research, because it just wouldn't do to buy a sound card and then find THAT didn't work with alsa either |
| 21:10.39 | Amarande | I believe at that point concussion-inducing wall bangs would be appropriate |
| 21:11.02 | babilen | Amarande: Seriously? You *have* discussed that with the peeps in #alsa and #pulseaudio by now haven't you? |
| 21:11.22 | Amarande | also will probably have to go to at least jessie, seeing that cups has problems under wheezy with my printer, too |
| 21:11.30 | monode | babilen: yeah, i found that page, but it doesn't really list a solution |
| 21:11.37 | babilen | "that page" ? |
| 21:11.43 | monode | also tried installing from sf, same thing happens |
| 21:11.49 | monode | the page you linked |
| 21:11.53 | Amarande | basically making wheezy live up to its name, since the printer prints like a slow, wheezy old thing under cups on stable. :S |
| 21:12.06 | Amarande | I don't have the same issue with cups on jessie, I'm not sure what's changed since though :) |
| 21:12.07 | babilen | monode: Ah, you mean the bug report. Yes, I am aware that it doesn't list a solution and the comment by the maintainer is a bit, well, useless. (as there is no new version) |
| 21:12.11 | monode | basically what's left is checking out the sources, getting a patch and compiling.. don't really want to do that |
| 21:12.27 | Amarande | babilen: haven't been to the channels yet, but I've been doing extensive googling |
| 21:12.28 | babilen | monode: You could try the slightly newer version in sid, but that one doesn't fix the bug either (or at least doesn't claim to) |
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| 21:12.56 | Amarande | babilen: all of which points to that if you take the collective increase in blood pressure among linux users saddled with alc1150 and trying to get it to work, you could probably lift the Great Pyramid of Giza |
| 21:13.16 | Amarande | I've actually yet to see a single hopeful story regarding the onboard |
| 21:13.29 | Amarande | thought I had a hope spot, read the post more closely and noticed the guy had simply put his sound blaster back in :) |
| 21:13.46 | Amarande | but I'll see if they have anything more to say heh |
| 21:13.51 | babilen | Amarande: Please ask them. There is no much shit on the internet and very few people really understand ALSA and pulseaudio ... these people will be on those channels however. They probably want to see the output of the alsa-info.sh script listed at http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug |
| 21:14.09 | babilen | "is so much" |
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| 21:14.29 | skribblezatcha | whats up peoples. |
| 21:14.36 | monode | babilen: ah yes, tried that earlier. crashes with libpangomm-1.4-1 is already the newest version |
| 21:14.42 | monode | err, I mean linthesia: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkglextmm-x11-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:14.43 | babilen | skribblezatcha: Do you have a problem with Debian that we can help you with? |
| 21:14.56 | skribblezatcha | just saying hi babilen. |
| 21:15.25 | babilen | skribblezatcha: This is a technical support channel and not a social chat one. Please take that elsewhere (e.g. #defocus or #debian-offtopic) |
| 21:15.48 | monode | this seems like a rather silly issue, the dev insists on using a font or something, and debian package maintainers don't want to make packages depend on fonts or something |
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| 21:16.01 | skribblezatcha | i know what it is babilen..and came here to help out..and said hi to you all in the meantime babilen. chill. |
| 21:17.04 | Eren97 | teraflop: u here? |
| 21:17.18 | teraflop | yep Eren97 |
| 21:17.21 | Eren97 | Remember me asking about nvdia nouveau etc |
| 21:17.29 | teraflop | Eren97: ys |
| 21:17.35 | Eren97 | I did that command but I still get that blinking _ |
| 21:17.51 | Eren97 | And I looked at the stuff when it booted |
| 21:18.00 | Eren97 | Last thing was a warn, does it matter? |
| 21:18.17 | Eren97 | Weird thing is |
| 21:18.34 | teraflop | uhm Eren97 idn, anyway that command do blacklist nouveau for sure |
| 21:18.42 | Mike9863 | Keyboard Shortcuts are broken in sid's version of GNOME unless I use GNOME Shell. Is there any way to get around this issue? |
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| 21:18.43 | Eren97 | When I get that blinking _ I can still click power off button and it initializes shutdown lol |
| 21:18.52 | babilen | monode: Sorry, I can't really comment on that issue further. You might want to write a message to that bug report (i.e. 719288@bugs.debian.org) and ask the maintainer for additional help. |
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| 21:18.58 | teraflop | well then is graphics related |
| 21:19.09 | Eren97 | Meh |
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| 21:19.19 | Eren97 | Can I undo what I did at all? lol |
| 21:19.27 | teraflop | yes Eren97 |
| 21:19.27 | Eren97 | Or well.. I might as well just reinstall Debian |
| 21:19.48 | Eren97 | Didn't do much on it yet anyway |
| 21:19.49 | teraflop | by sshing or using a debian iso in rescue mode Eren97 |
| 21:20.00 | Eren97 | I used recovery mode |
| 21:20.15 | Eren97 | 2nd boot entry in grub |
| 21:20.51 | teraflop | if its a clean install what will prevent that issue fro happenning again Eren97 |
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| 21:21.03 | teraflop | i meant by reinstalling |
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| 21:22.09 | atari314 | Hello, doing an "expert install" on the "Install the base system" step, right after choosing the kernel I can select "generic" or "targeted" for modules install. But if I was doing a debootstrap install, what would be the "equivalent" of that generic/targeted step? |
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| 21:24.13 | babilen | atari314: Edit /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf and set "MODULES={most,dep}" and regenerate the initramfs |
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| 21:24.51 | atari314 | babilen: got it, tyvm sir! |
| 21:24.58 | babilen | You are welcome |
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| 21:29.52 | ochiottes | my machine won't turn off completely whenever i shut it down via ssh. the system halts but i have to turn it off mechanically. it shuts down completely when i locally halt it though. any ideas what might be the problem? |
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| 21:32.14 | jhutchins | ochiottes: THere's some process that's hanging, possibly the ssh session. Do you have any network shares mounted? |
| 21:32.44 | ochiottes | jhutchins: yes, i have samba serving files |
| 21:33.26 | jhutchins | ochiottes: are the shares mounted on the system that won't shut down? |
| 21:33.26 | ochiottes | good call, i'll look into it |
| 21:33.29 | jmcnaught | Eren97: did the problem you're having start by using the Nvidia driver installer downloaded from their website? |
| 21:33.42 | jhutchins | ochiottes: wheezy seems to have a problem if they don't unmount cleanly. |
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| 21:33.46 | asturel | !openssl |
| 21:33.46 | dpkg | it has been said that openssl is the open source version of Secure Socket Layer. http://www.openssl.org/ . See also <why gnutls>. |
| 21:34.19 | ochiottes | jhutchins: so, i'll need to umount them first, i guess |
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| 21:34.45 | asturel | is 1.0.1h-3 openssl affected by man in the middle attack bug? |
| 21:34.56 | asturel | CVE-2014-0224 |
| 21:35.12 | jhutchins | ochiottes: You might see if that helps. Also, wheezy updated samba recently iirc, it might be better now. |
| 21:35.19 | abrotman | asturel: Doesn't hte CVE say? or #openssl ? |
| 21:35.27 | ochiottes | jhutchins: thank you |
| 21:35.59 | asturel | well seems like debian have a kinda selfversioning |
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| 21:38.13 | jhutchins | Nope, mine doesn't have the cifs errors any more but it still hangs after stopping rsyslog. |
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| 21:39.57 | jmcnaught | asturel: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0224, note that the page states the current wheezy security release of the openssl package is not vulnerable |
| 21:40.10 | asturel | oh thanks |
| 21:40.23 | asturel | im on jessie but i saw there's an update for openssl |
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| 21:40.44 | jhutchins | asturel: jessie does not necessarily get security updates right away. |
| 21:40.48 | jhutchins | ,v openssl |
| 21:40.49 | judd | Package: openssl on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security-lts: 0.9.8o-4squeeze16; wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u11; wheezy-security: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u11; jessie: 1.0.1h-3; sid: 1.0.1h-3; experimental: 1.0.2~beta1-1 |
| 21:41.21 | asturel | jhutchins why's that |
| 21:42.15 | jmcnaught | asturel: testing isn't meant for production use, it's meant for testing |
| 21:42.38 | Amarande | jmcnaught: stable is often too old for production use, depending most especially on hardware needs |
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| 21:43.05 | Amarande | backports helps, but in some cases, you nearly have to be thinking debian in mind when you first build the machine |
| 21:43.21 | Amarande | (sound is a big gotcha, there are a lot of newish boards with realtek alc1150 codecs. do not get these.) |
| 21:43.30 | asturel | i thought jessie is kinda pre-release and stable gets only kinda security updates |
| 21:43.32 | Amarande | alc1150 codecs will have you wailing and gnashing your teeth |
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| 21:43.49 | Amarande | asturel: the major thing to be aware of with jessie is that packages may break at any time |
| 21:44.10 | Amarande | asturel: changes to stable are made on a very conservative basis in order to preserve its status as so |
| 21:44.29 | Amarande | changes to jessie are made on a much more liberal basis, and things may break |
| 21:44.30 | Harm133 | Hey, Does anybody here have a good explanation of why my download speed keep fluctuating ? Its steady on my windwows box :) |
| 21:44.33 | babilen | Well, "stable" simply means "not changing" so that shouldn't really be a surprise |
| 21:44.36 | Amarande | (though it's generally still a lot less risky than sid) |
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| 21:55.05 | rick1 | hi! i got trouble installing bumblebee on my laptop. Can someone help me perhaps? |
| 21:55.48 | Eren97 | jmcnaught: no |
| 21:56.04 | rick1 | i get the following error when i run 'optirun glxgears': [ 4055.650380] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not load GPU driver |
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| 21:56.30 | Eren97 | teraflop: the will to install the drivers again |
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| 21:57.24 | teraflop | Eren97: just curoius what driver and how did you isntall that driver? |
| 21:57.30 | ctmjr | rick1: did you ask in #bumblebee they might be able to help you |
| 21:57.56 | Eren97 | teraflop: a command I forgot sorry |
| 21:58.13 | Eren97 | But something with nvidia kernel etc |
| 21:58.26 | rick1 | ctmjr: good idea. ill try. thanks! |
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| 21:59.05 | teraflop | uhm |
| 21:59.17 | teraflop | Eren97: just a suggestion use the debian wiki |
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| 21:59.29 | teraflop | the official one |
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| 22:01.47 | Eren97 | teraflop: okay thanks |
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| 22:02.17 | Tau | hello. |
| 22:02.26 | Tau | i thought my keyboard was broken because some keys werent working. |
| 22:02.38 | Tau | then i plugged another keyboard it worked for some hours then got some keys not working again. |
| 22:02.42 | Tau | what can it be happening? |
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| 22:03.06 | abrotman | wrong keymap? |
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| 22:11.42 | aguitel_ | how to know if i am using non-free drivers? |
| 22:12.12 | babilen | aguitel_: You remember installing them is one option. non-free drivers for what though? |
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| 22:13.00 | aguitel_ | babilen: vga |
| 22:13.41 | babilen | aguitel_: And you don't remember? |
| 22:13.45 | aguitel_ | coz this is not my pc |
| 22:13.57 | aguitel_ | son of mine |
| 22:14.31 | babilen | aguitel_: You could take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log or "dpkg -l '*nvidia*'" or /etc/X11/xorg.conf{.d/*,} or ... |
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| 22:14.50 | aguitel_ | thanks babilen |
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| 22:15.10 | babilen | (assuming you have an nvidia card, "dpkg -l '*fglrx*'" for ATI) |
| 22:15.20 | aguitel_ | ok |
| 22:16.29 | Hxxx | debian refuses to install grub in software raid. I have 4 disks, only 2 of them with 3 partitions each raided. /boot , / and swap . disks for OS raided (this disks) are sdc sdd . grub try to install into sda and fail. right now on a live cd trying to get grub install sdc and sdd but im really failing here |
| 22:16.34 | Hxxx | any help is appreciated. |
| 22:17.32 | babilen | dpkg: errors |
| 22:17.33 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
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| 22:18.25 | Hxxx | grub> device (hd0) /dev/sdc then grub> device (hd1) /dev/sdd then grub> root (hd0,0) then grub> setup (hd0) |
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| 22:18.38 | Hxxx | error: bad file or directory type |
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| 22:21.33 | babilen | Hxxx: "update-grub" and "grub-install /dev/sdc" causes similar errors (adjust as appropriate) ? |
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| 22:22.51 | Hxxx | complain about not being mounter babilen |
| 22:22.58 | Hxxx | let me mount it probably that is the problem |
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| 22:28.37 | Hxxx | babilen should i mount sdc or the respective md device? |
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| 22:32.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell Hxxx -about fixmbr |
| 22:33.04 | babilen | Hxxx: You have to make sure you mount /proc and /dev/ into the chroot. I'm off now (sorry, rather late here), but wish you all the best! |
| 22:33.14 | Hxxx | thanks |
| 22:33.28 | babilen | Hxxx: There is also a small #grub that might have some ideas if that doesn't work out for you |
| 22:33.34 | babilen | (it typically does) |
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| 22:36.40 | CalimeroTeknik | well, I ran postgres in a screen, since the init.d script would just silence out the server logging to …stderr. |
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| 22:37.33 | nkuttler | meh.. dpkg just left. can somebody run apt-file find /usr/lib/git-core/git-sh-prompt on wheezy for me? |
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| 22:39.41 | babilen | judd: file /usr/lib/git-core/git-sh-prompt |
| 22:39.48 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 22:39.57 | nkuttler | hrm |
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| 22:42.04 | jmcnaught | nkuttler: apt-file says /usr/lib/git-core/git-sh-prompt is in the package git (for me, on wheezy) |
| 22:42.31 | nkuttler | jmcnaught: yeah, same for me. but it's not there |
| 22:42.54 | nkuttler | must be in the backported repo i guess |
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| 22:43.12 | nkuttler | jmcnaught: do you have backports in your sources? |
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| 22:44.09 | jmcnaught | nkuttler: i do. the file also does not exist on my system, nor is it lised in "dpkg -L git" |
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| 22:46.58 | nkuttler | yeah, it's in the backport.. but something on my wheezy box wants to source it. sigh |
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| 22:48.34 | deego | hi. I have hsperfdata_foo in my /tmp. I don't ever recall running anything java. Where could that have come from? And, it was last modified *today* |
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| 22:53.58 | jmcnaught | nkuttler: this issue got me curious about apt-file. I moved the wheezy-backports lines into their own file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d. Now if I run "apt-file -s /etc/apt/sources.list search usr/lib/git-core/git-sh-prompt" I no longer get the results from backports. Running apt-file without the "-s" option still works as before (includes results from bdo) |
| 22:54.39 | jbaiter | quick question, when i'm creating a debian package, how can i tell dh to exclude certain files from being included in the package? I'm using dh with python_distutils as the buildsystem |
| 22:57.18 | jbaiter | e.g. by default a file /etc/something is created, how do i exclude that |
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| 23:06.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell jbaiter -about mentors |
| 23:07.25 | babilen | jbaiter: Just delete the files thag you don't want |
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| 23:11.21 | jbaiter | babilen: can you point me to a resource that tells me how i can do that from the rules makefile? .) |
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| 23:21.21 | Kriss3d | HI everyone. Im having a strange problem when trying to do an apt-get update. I will get a connection failed (127.0.0.1 port 4001) on http://ftp.is.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6_2.19-1_amd64.deb |
| 23:21.42 | Kriss3d | but if i enter the address manually in a browser i get the file instantly.. however synaptics wont pick it up.. howcome ? |
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| 23:24.10 | jmcnaught | Kriss3d: are you using some sort of proxy with APT? Not sure what 127.0.0.1:4001 has to do with it. It might help if you put the complete error on http://paste.debian.net/ Also for problems with jessie or unstable you should ask in #debian-next on irc.debian.org |
| 23:24.53 | Kriss3d | ok thanks. Yeah i cant quite figure out why its attempting to use itself as a proxy. I dont recall having set up one. but ill look into that first i guess |
| 23:24.54 | Kriss3d | thanks |
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| 23:28.16 | Amarande | wow, not even sid has 3.15 yet? |
| 23:29.22 | Cpuroast | nope |
| 23:29.26 | Cpuroast | 3.14.7 |
| 23:30.46 | Cpuroast | There's an ongoing discussion to decide if Debian 8 will stick with 3.14 or 3.16 |
| 23:31.48 | Amarande | ah, so 3.15 is not on the table at all, we're waiting at 3.14 until 3.16 hits? |
| 23:31.58 | Amarande | oh, that's fun for people with Z87 :| |
| 23:32.02 | Cpuroast | no, if 3.16 is decided |
| 23:32.07 | Cpuroast | 3.15 will land shortly |
| 23:32.12 | Amarande | basically you're telling us to buy a sound card and try to figure out which ones actually work right with ALSA |
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| 23:32.36 | Amarande | because apparently you NEED 3.15 to get alc1150 to work at all, based on what I'm coming up researching |
| 23:33.07 | Amarande | 3.14 recognises alc1150 to be such but apparently doesn't cut the mustard for actually working with it |
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| 23:33.27 | Cpuroast | yah, at this stage of the game, since freeze isn't happening for some time, 3.16 should be adopted |
| 23:33.32 | Cpuroast | and now stay with 3.14 |
| 23:33.35 | Cpuroast | not |
| 23:33.38 | jmcnaught | Amarande: Debian kernels often include backported drivers, so going by the upstream version number doesn't always tell you the whole story |
| 23:33.48 | Cpuroast | there is that too :) |
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| 23:34.08 | Amarande | jmcnaught: well, the 3.14 from bpo on wheezy doesn't seem to quite get all the way on alc1150 |
| 23:34.13 | Amarande | it starts the race but doesn't finish, so to speak :p |
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| 23:35.45 | Cpuroast | and I assume 3.14.7 doesn't change much either |
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| 23:36.04 | Cpuroast | which is what sid/testing have |
| 23:36.28 | Amarande | hrm, I can't remember if I tested sound in jessie or not, come to think of it |
| 23:36.58 | Amarande | but apparently finding a decent sound card for a modern intel machine on linux is torture |
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| 23:37.07 | Cpuroast | and the 3.14.7 kernel in jessie has most of the fixes from .8 includes |
| 23:37.10 | Cpuroast | included too |
| 23:37.13 | Amarande | most of the cheaper pci-e cards seem to just be various realteks similar to the onboard sound |
| 23:38.21 | Amarande | which means apparently if you don't want to throw usb connections into the whole soup, lacking a legacy pci slot is cruel |
| 23:38.43 | cafuego | I have ISA soundblaster AWE64, would that be helpful? |
| 23:38.55 | Amarande | seems like since pci-e they've practically given up on making actual decent sound cards, at least ones cheap enough that it's not cheaper to just buy a whole new mobo and rebuild the box |
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| 23:39.10 | Amarande | (i.e., $100 sound cards are kinda a ripoff, if compatibility is the only reason to get one) |
| 23:39.30 | Amarande | cafuego: I don't even have a legacy PCI slot in naamah, let alone an ISA, ROFL |
| 23:39.54 | Amarande | but that's kinda the thing, sound cards seem to have been terrible at adopting new slot architectures |
| 23:40.03 | cafuego | Can't get a pci-e riser with ISA slots on it? :-) |
| 23:40.07 | Amarande | meaning if you need a sound card you're practically screwed if your mobo doesn't have legacy |
| 23:40.12 | cafuego | (or one with legacy pci slots?) |
| 23:40.23 | Amarande | don't risers usually require case mods as well? |
| 23:40.42 | cafuego | when you say case mod i just see 'gaffer tape' |
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| 23:41.25 | Eren97 | Hello |
| 23:41.25 | Amarande | with the change from isa to pci, I kinda understand cards dragging their feet |
| 23:41.42 | Amarande | since back then dos games were still popular and dos ran really poorly if at all with pci sound cards |
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| 23:42.01 | cafuego | didn't run that gerat with most isa ones either |
| 23:42.04 | Amarande | not sure why they haven't adopted PCI-E much, though |
| 23:42.16 | Amarande | cafuego: well, pci cards in general didn't tend to work very well in DOS |
| 23:42.17 | Eren97 | I need to configure xorg for nvidia driver |
| 23:42.25 | Eren97 | I got an example on the Debian doc |
| 23:42.32 | Eren97 | But can I use just that? |
| 23:42.45 | Amarande | Eren97: the instructions on nvidia-graphics-drivers are pretty good |
| 23:42.56 | Amarande | on the debian wiki |
| 23:42.57 | Eren97 | At #configure |
| 23:43.03 | Eren97 | Can I just use the example? |
| 23:43.08 | Amarande | Eren97: just keep in mind that you need backports to use 700 series geforces with wheezy |
| 23:43.14 | jmcnaught | Amarande: not sure what all you've tried, but have you attempted the workaround suggested here?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1321421/comments/21 |
| 23:43.19 | somiaj | Eren97: you should only need a few lines, just enough of a devive section to tell it ot use the nvidia driver |
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| 23:43.40 | cafuego | Amarande: you'd be hard pressed to not find a mobo with half-decent sound these days though - but if that does then yes, usb would be your only option i think. |
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| 23:44.01 | Amarande | cafuego: generally the issue is driver support, not sound quality |
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| 23:44.06 | Eren97 | somiaj: does it depend on that if it'll work? |
| 23:44.22 | Amarande | especially since most z87 seem to have the updated realtek codec with horrid driver situatoin |
| 23:44.28 | Amarande | even on windows it can be a pain to get the drivers working |
| 23:44.50 | Amarande | I guess the idea is they figure you're not going to run linux on Z87, you're going to be running Win8.1? heh |
| 23:45.08 | cafuego | If it's in any way not 6 months old yet - yes. |
| 23:45.17 | Amarande | silly haswell, linux is for sandy? :) |
| 23:45.59 | cafuego | isn't sure he runs Linux on machines that need sound anymore ;-) |
| 23:46.01 | Eren97 | Amarande: I got geforce 9600m |
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| 23:46.10 | cafuego | oh, the raspberry |
| 23:46.17 | Amarande | cafuego: heh, I'm starting to grok why linux on the desktop is always such an endangered species |
| 23:46.27 | Amarande | it's because the kind of people who are going to run linux on the desktop are generally geekly types |
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| 23:46.57 | Amarande | but ... geekly types are likely to do what I've apparently done and build ourselves right out of the ability to run linux without something breaking due, largely, to being too recent |
| 23:47.26 | somiaj | Eren97: what? Yes it is requred you tell xorg to use the non-free nvidia driver though the config as it won't detect it automatically. But you only need a few lines in your xorg.conf file to do that. |
| 23:47.30 | Amarande | heh. then it becomes a self-propagating inadequacy |
| 23:47.30 | cafuego | Well, it'll be sorted in the enxt few months I'm sure. |
| 23:47.50 | cafuego | Then you'll get off and on broken sound for 4 months, then it'll break again and then it'l be fixed for good. |
| 23:47.50 | Eren97 | somiaj: Which lines |
| 23:47.51 | jmcnaught | Amarande: you could also thoroughly research hardware compatibility before making a purchase. I understand your frustration but this really isn't the place to vent it. |
| 23:47.57 | Amarande | because despite the large amount of desktop userland stuff out there, when it comes down to it, linux gets associated mostly with server use |
| 23:48.08 | Amarande | and then anything that's not networking or disk seems to be given low priority |
| 23:48.31 | Amarande | even the total nonworking of a device that's not network, disk, or core chipset seems to be considered Medium bug priority at best :S |
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| 23:49.14 | Amarande | jmcnaught: specific audio codecs vary widely by motherboard and are not always easy to research in advance |
| 23:49.24 | Amarande | especially with makers like asus that like to sell their realtek as if it was something special :) |
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| 23:49.33 | somiaj | Eren97: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure -- the ones I thoguht you referenced of course, the four lines there, and then it gives you things you can do from the command line. |
| 23:50.04 | Amarande | hrm. will 3.15.1 build correctly in the jessie ecosystem or are some packages not yet new enough? |
| 23:50.21 | Amarande | seems like a custom kernel build might be the best option here |
| 23:50.46 | somiaj | Kernels usually build just fine, I don't see why this would be any different. |
| 23:51.09 | Amarande | somiaj: kernels usually have a certain set of minimum package versions required, as listed in the readme |
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| 23:51.23 | Amarande | haven't looked at the readme yet, so before I go to install jessie again (which I need to do anyway, tbh) |
| 23:51.29 | Eren97 | I used the configuration package of nvidia instead |
| 23:51.40 | Amarande | was wondering if any issues were known :) |
| 23:51.43 | Eren97 | It definitely filled more than I'd have |
| 23:52.00 | Amarande | (after all, there's presumably a reason why 3.15 is not even in sid yet, let alone testing) |
| 23:52.08 | jmcnaught | !enter |
| 23:52.09 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 23:52.28 | Eren97 | Fuck yeah |
| 23:52.31 | Eren97 | It works thanks |
| 23:52.52 | somiaj | Amarande: sure but I have rarely seen one version newer than the one curretnly in a debian os not build. |
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| 23:53.35 | teraflop | Eren97: nice |
| 23:53.35 | somiaj | as in I would be surprised if 3.15 didnt' build on jessie (I'd be surprised if it didn't build on wheezy either) |
| 23:54.12 | Amarande | heh. I'm also glad my next hardware upgrade (assuming I don't need also a sound card) consists entirely of fans |
| 23:54.24 | Amarande | if there's one thing that had better be supported by every distribution, it's fans |
| 23:55.48 | Amarande | well, I have to go to jessie anyway since wheezy has a severely underperforming print infrastructure (and there's nothing in bpo to bump up in wheezy) |
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