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| 00:37.05 | IonCannon218 | hi |
| 00:37.38 | IonCannon218 | i'm on crunchbang wheezy but i'm trying to install cmake from debian but apt-get with --simulate wants to replace libc6 with testing |
| 00:38.31 | IonCannon218 | i currently have cmake backport installed but its one sub version behind of what i need |
| 00:39.06 | somiaj | !crunchbang |
| 00:39.06 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 00:39.49 | IonCannon218 | really? what i'm doing has nothing to do with crunchbang |
| 00:40.04 | somiaj | IonCannon218: I woudln't mix repos, if you use crunchbang use their repos and software, We don't support their repos. If you need something in your system that is not from your repo, you will want to compile it yourself, again ask #crunchbang for best pratices and the likes for complining your own software. |
| 00:40.18 | somiaj | we don't support debian derivatives for social and technicial reasons. |
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| 00:41.38 | Amarande | somiaj: wise policy, it'd be "fun" for debian folk to try to support mint since certain changes made by ubuntu. :) |
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| 00:41.58 | Amarande | this is half the reason to run linux, so you don't HAVE to deal with unpleasant nexuses of third party decisions. that's for the windows users to deal with heh |
| 00:42.54 | Amarande | (to be brief in that particular case, unlike debian where unless you horribly break something you can run for years just aptitude updating, upgrading, and occasionally dist-upgrading, mint must be reinstalled basically every 6 months now.) |
| 00:43.53 | somiaj | Amarande: mint (the debian based) has it's own support. Part of what you get when you choose a distro is the community (hence social reasons). And issues with mint would be best brought up with it's community developers. (: |
| 00:45.06 | IonCannon218 | i'm trying to understand the apt pinning thing |
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| 00:45.50 | somiaj | IonCannon218: don't mix, you are going to break your system. You are trying to install a binary package that isn't compadable with y our core libs. Compile it yourself and move to #crunchbang for futher support. |
| 00:46.05 | IonCannon218 | i already asked in there |
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| 00:46.46 | IonCannon218 | what about backports and stable is that ok |
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| 00:48.15 | somiaj | Amarande: though it would be nice if debian had some sort of 'theme' ability so things that are just basically debian with a face lift were actually debian but in the end mint/crunchbang/etc seem to want to change some core policy/non-free packages included by default, which then makes them not-debian. |
| 00:49.24 | IonCannon218 | ^ |
| 00:49.26 | Amarande | heh actually, I wasn't even thinking that in mint's case, more the fact that now mint is stuck with 6-month reinstall cycles because their distro doesn't lend itself well to dist-upgrades, and since they pull off ubuntu which has moved to completely obsolete non-LTS releases after just six months now instead of 18 ... yeah, we don't need those kind of headaches and we don't get them with debian :) |
| 00:50.17 | Amarande | one nice thing about debian is we mainly don't have to worry as A support about trying to help people with B when it's really the developers of C screwing things over with an independent decision of theirs that impacted B under A, or the like :) |
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| 00:50.37 | Amarande | That kind of chaos can be left to the Windows users, who sadly get that kind of situation constantly :S |
| 00:51.11 | IonCannon218 | somiaj: and not in the form of different versions say like Xubuntu and kubuntu, just one single version |
| 00:51.43 | Amarande | and yes, that too :) I very much appreciate the fact that debian bundles the ability to install whichever main DE you like into the base installer |
| 00:52.00 | Amarande | unlike others where if you don't like the DE that came on that install disc you have to get a whole new one |
| 00:52.11 | IonCannon218 | i like debian but packages can be so behind |
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| 00:53.04 | somiaj | IonCannon218: the advantages you get is a solid stable system that works. In many cases the package are just fine, and in the rare case you need something newer there are backports and as I suggested, you can make your own. |
| 00:53.16 | Amarande | IonCannon218: yeah, that's why I usually end up in testing ultimately when I use debian |
| 00:53.26 | IonCannon218 | somiaj: yeah exactly |
| 00:53.33 | IonCannon218 | its great for server |
| 00:53.42 | Amarande | testing is stable enough for day to day personal use, although I wouldn't want to trust a mission critical server with it of course |
| 00:53.52 | Amarande | but then, server stuff tends to be the task stable excels at the most |
| 00:53.55 | IonCannon218 | but for desktop/laptop, just too old stuff |
| 00:54.04 | Amarande | mostly when you end up needing testing for day to day use, you need it because of hardware support and the like |
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| 00:54.20 | IonCannon218 | cmake is now 3.0 and wheezy is 2.8.9 |
| 00:54.54 | somiaj | and why do you need a newer version of cmake? |
| 00:55.14 | IonCannon218 | asmjit requires 2.8.12 to build |
| 00:55.18 | Amarande | tbh, if it wasn't for CUPS, I'd probably just try to do a custom kernel under wheezy to get sound working |
| 00:55.45 | Amarande | but the version of CUPS in testing is so far and away better performing on my printer (and is not available in bpo), and testing works well enough for me, so testing it will be |
| 00:55.49 | somiaj | Amarande: I solved my sound problems years ago, via an sblive. (: |
| 00:56.02 | Amarande | somiaj: yeah I'm beginning to regret choosing an ASUS Republic of Gamers board |
| 00:56.07 | IonCannon218 | i wanted to check out rpcs3 but i cant even get the first thing to build because it wants newest cmake |
| 00:56.16 | alm | REPUBLIC OF GAMERS |
| 00:56.18 | Amarande | don't get me wrong, it's got solid infrastructure and all, but for $200 I would expect a board with no issues |
| 00:56.21 | somiaj | I droped my laptop to wheezy just because I got tired of having to fix things when running testing on it. |
| 00:56.30 | IonCannon218 | rpscs3 itself just needs 2.8 |
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| 00:56.47 | Amarande | and it has 1) onboard sound that needs a bleeding edge kernel to use in linux, and 2) no legacy PCI slots, which means most discrete soundcards are not usable |
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| 00:57.09 | Amarande | since there are precious few PCI-E sound cards compared to PCI (and most of the PCI-E ones are expensive enough that it's cheaper just to buy a brand new mobo with a more friendly onboard codec) |
| 00:57.13 | IonCannon218 | somiaj: is it a new laptop? |
| 00:57.25 | IonCannon218 | my samsung (with horrible support) actually runs wheezy fine |
| 00:57.27 | somiaj | no, wheeyz fglrx drivers don't even support its 4200 card |
| 00:57.35 | IonCannon218 | without the discrete card |
| 00:57.47 | IonCannon218 | not that i need it |
| 00:57.51 | Amarande | somiaj: be glad you're not able to use fglrx under debian |
| 00:58.00 | IonCannon218 | nor i think i want to mess with it |
| 00:58.08 | Amarande | I used to have to use fglrx under debian on some old machines, and it was a disaster area |
| 00:58.23 | Amarande | apparently fglrx did not like the kernel version that debian used at the time, is what I suspect |
| 00:58.32 | somiaj | the dkms packages make ti work just fine |
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| 00:59.01 | Amarande | somiaj: yeah it would install and start up just fine, but any time the X server would exit for any reason (logout, shutting down X or gdm, or even switching users sometimes) it would cause a kernel panic |
| 00:59.01 | somiaj | sounds like you wern't installing it via debian packages but trying to get it form upstream. |
| 00:59.18 | Amarande | and I actually had been using the packages |
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| 00:59.58 | Amarande | it was apparently a known issue with fglrx for an inordinately long time, as in amd had bug tickets for it that stretched across three major catalyst versions |
| 01:00.36 | somiaj | Amarande: I haev personally jsut always used nvidia, and found their non-free drives to work just fine (been using debian as my sole desktop/gaming os since 2004) |
| 01:00.57 | Amarande | yeah, I think at this point I will be sticking with nvidia :) |
| 01:01.09 | IonCannon218 | ^ |
| 01:01.13 | IonCannon218 | i always have bought nvidia |
| 01:01.21 | IonCannon218 | except this laptop |
| 01:01.26 | Amarande | I have found no issues with it at all in testing, and in wheezy the only sticking point is that you need to remember to pull from bpo to use GTX 700 series cards |
| 01:01.34 | IonCannon218 | actually next laptop i'll buy, no dedicated gpu |
| 01:01.40 | IonCannon218 | something simple |
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| 01:02.08 | Amarande | (well, and apparently upgrading to the bpo 3.14 kernel broke the nvidia driver from bpo, so I'm using nouveau again atm) |
| 01:02.16 | Amarande | actually that reminds me |
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| 01:02.44 | Amarande | if you build a custom kernel deb from stock kernel source, can you still do dkms stuff (e.g. nvidia driver) with it, or is that a privilege you gain only by using the debian official kernel packages? |
| 01:03.20 | Amarande | (i.e., am I going to be forced to choose between 3.15.1 or nvidia-kernel-dkms ability but not both?) |
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| 01:03.52 | somiaj | Amarande: yes, most of the stuff actually is in the vanilla kernsl now with 'make deb-pkg' or something like that |
| 01:04.13 | somiaj | Amarande: I belive it makes the linux-image and linux-headers package, and provided you have a linux-headers package dkms will work |
| 01:04.44 | Amarande | yeah, that's what I was wondering, if there was anything special about the debian official linux-headers packages vs the ones you get by building a custom .deb |
| 01:04.52 | somiaj | I also think it checks /usr/src/linux (should be a link to the source of your current running kernel) and in that case you might not need to install the linux-headers package since you have the source |
| 01:05.05 | somiaj | but it has been since 3.0 that I last compiled a kernel, I coudln't keep up with the changes anymore. |
| 01:05.11 | somiaj | nothing |
| 01:05.42 | somiaj | well there is difference in terms of one is the headers for the debian patched kernel as opposed to the unpacked vanilla kernel, but in terms of using it with modules it is the same. |
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| 01:05.54 | Amarande | also, next time remind me to decide to become unhappy with windows in advance |
| 01:06.00 | Amarande | so that I may choose my hardware more judiciously, heh |
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| 01:07.48 | somiaj | laptops are a gambel, even mine had all the hardware supported but the wireless card/drivers are worthless, it has a terrible time staying assoicated to open network ap's |
| 01:08.00 | IonCannon218 | i had arch on this laptop |
| 01:08.07 | dr0 | ohai :) |
| 01:08.15 | IonCannon218 | hardware support sucked |
| 01:08.24 | Amarande | wow, that's weird |
| 01:08.30 | Amarande | doesn't arch usually have the latest kernels? |
| 01:08.40 | IonCannon218 | yeah but wireless and network didnt work |
| 01:08.50 | IonCannon218 | debian worked better |
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| 01:09.43 | IonCannon218 | oh yeah that reminds me, i need to install touchpad driver |
| 01:10.20 | Kriss3d | Hm Anyone had problems with flash not wanting to let you play in fullscreen ? but freeze the video but let the sound run fine untill you move focus to another window then it will play but still not in fullscreen. |
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| 01:10.58 | somiaj | Kriss3d: why not take a step back, what browser and flash plugin are you using? |
| 01:11.03 | somiaj | Kriss3d: as in versions too. |
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| 01:12.07 | Kriss3d | Debian Jessie. Im using Chromium and iceweasel |
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| 01:13.03 | Kriss3d | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:13.08 | somiaj | How about flash plugin, Chromium removed the old plugin api and you need to get pepper-flash for that |
| 01:13.14 | DanielI | ^ |
| 01:13.18 | DanielI | pepper-flash is great. |
| 01:13.23 | DanielI | I have an idea. |
| 01:13.25 | somiaj | that shouldn't be working with chromium unless you have an outdated version and you should upgrade |
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| 01:13.34 | DanielI | Try google-chrome or google-chrome-unstable |
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| 01:14.22 | Kriss3d | ok ill try that |
| 01:14.28 | somiaj | the other thing is what wm/de do you use, sometimes that or other apps grab the focus or are running in teh background mess with flash since it releases the full screen if something else grabs focus |
| 01:14.33 | DanielI | If you can find the .deb file, download it. |
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| 01:14.50 | somiaj | DanielI: debian provides a pepperflash contrib package that extracts it from google-chrome and uses it with chromium. |
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| 01:14.58 | DanielI | Open a terminal, `cd /directory/to/downloads`, `dpkg -i file.deb` |
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| 01:15.05 | DanielI | Yes, it does somiaj. |
| 01:15.08 | somiaj | Kriss3d: there is also a pepperflashplugin-nonfree package in contrib |
| 01:15.21 | Kriss3d | yeah im trying that |
| 01:16.09 | DanielI | Chromium and Chrome aren't the same. |
| 01:16.12 | somiaj | Kriss3d: but I'm guessing something is grabing focus or running on your system that is making it so flash won't stay fullscreen. Since you have this problem in both iceweasel and chormium? |
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| 01:16.59 | somiaj | DanielI: but probabaly best to suggest chroimum here since it is already in the debian repos. And chrome really isn't supported here either. |
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| 01:17.19 | DanielI | Indeed. |
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| 01:17.45 | DanielI | It's not in the Debian repos, but works just as well as Chromium does. You are right though. |
| 01:17.50 | DanielI | It's a principle issue. |
| 01:18.05 | Kriss3d | hmm it seems like that does the trick.. you say chromium is outdated ? |
| 01:18.15 | DanielI | It's possible. |
| 01:18.26 | DanielI | I can't remember how often the repo Chromium is updated. |
| 01:18.30 | Kriss3d | ok ill see what i can do. at least it works now.. thanks alot :) |
| 01:18.32 | somiaj | DanielI: and a support issue, though I'd just ad the warning not supported |
| 01:18.58 | DanielI | You are entirely correct. |
| 01:19.11 | DanielI | I should have included a little warning myself, sorry. |
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| 01:30.34 | somiaj | DanielI: security support is now solving security issues with browsers by newest version, so it is actually updated fairly quickly (in chromium standards which of course is missing features in chrome) |
| 01:30.56 | DanielI | Fairly quickly is relative. :) |
| 01:31.11 | DanielI | It does however give a good idea. |
| 01:31.13 | somiaj | iceweasel is using the esr release though |
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| 01:40.53 | _2_malenaakamj | hi |
| 01:41.06 | phidog | hello |
| 01:41.24 | _2_malenaakamj | r u a bot |
| 01:41.29 | phidog | nope |
| 01:41.40 | DanielI | ._. |
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| 01:42.03 | _2_malenaakamj | i dont know how to work this stuff |
| 01:42.12 | phidog | what's the problem? |
| 01:42.37 | phidog | il |
| 01:42.41 | phidog | *i'll be right back |
| 01:42.43 | _2_malenaakamj | wats ur kik |
| 01:43.27 | DanielI | sighs |
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| 01:45.17 | chalcedony | am i ok with my 2 tb drive being set up this way for debian squeeze? http://seekingalpha.com/author/patent-news?s=patent-news |
| 01:45.31 | chalcedony | oops !! |
| 01:45.35 | chalcedony | not that :) |
| 01:45.51 | chalcedony | SCSI (0,0,0) (sda) - 2.0 TB ATA WDC WD20EZRX-00D |
| 01:45.51 | chalcedony | #1 primary 2.0 TB F ext4 / |
| 01:45.51 | chalcedony | #5 logical 8.0 GB F swap swap |
| 01:45.54 | chalcedony | .. |
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| 01:48.00 | chalcedony | that looks ok to me.. am i ok? |
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| 01:48.31 | phidog | what |
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| 01:50.49 | chalcedony | phidog, wb |
| 01:50.55 | phidog | thanks! |
| 01:51.08 | chalcedony | i'm partitioning a new 2 tb drive |
| 01:51.28 | phidog | to what format? |
| 01:51.47 | chalcedony | i put in the live debian squeeze cd |
| 01:51.52 | chalcedony | er |
| 01:51.55 | chalcedony | wheezy |
| 01:52.00 | chalcedony | sorry .. names |
| 01:52.18 | phidog | lol i don't have them memorized either |
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| 01:52.25 | chalcedony | i just want the whole drive with debian :) |
| 01:52.31 | Rurd2di | FUCK! I just deleted my whole home directory, teaches me for not paying attention to what i was doing |
| 01:52.33 | somiaj | chalcedony: I personally like /home on it's own partition for a desktop system, but having everything in / is fine. |
| 01:52.39 | DanielI | Oooooodayum. |
| 01:52.50 | DanielI | I did the rm -rf mistake once, never again. |
| 01:52.54 | phidog | I keep my /home separate. I've got a terrible history of distrohopping |
| 01:53.05 | DanielI | I grew up with Linux and not Windows like most |
| 01:53.08 | Rurd2di | well this sucks |
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| 01:53.27 | DanielI | Rurd2di, if it helps in any way, you have my compassion. |
| 01:53.34 | sideup66 | hello room |
| 01:53.35 | chalcedony | mine too |
| 01:53.35 | phidog | same ^ |
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| 01:53.51 | phidog | Hey guys what movie player do you recommend other than vlc? |
| 01:54.00 | chalcedony | so, should i go back or undo changes to partitions or |
| 01:54.02 | chalcedony | ? |
| 01:54.07 | sideup66 | does anyone know when debian 7.5 will see chromium 36? |
| 01:54.22 | chalcedony | phidog, mplayer is nice for lots of things |
| 01:54.25 | phidog | chalcedony are you trying to format the entire partition? |
| 01:54.25 | comradekingu | Rurd2di: you might be able to recover it |
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| 01:54.32 | DanielI | Hmm. |
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| 01:54.36 | DanielI | Mplayer is nice. |
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| 01:54.37 | phidog | I've heard of mplayer, installing now |
| 01:54.42 | DanielI | mplayer* |
| 01:54.46 | sideup66 | reason being is because ive been having issues with it and think its bug-related... i have this version on my system 35.0.1916.153-1~deb7u1 |
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| 01:55.11 | sideup66 | hello phidog, daniel |
| 01:55.13 | chalcedony | phidog, i'm going through the partitiioning steps, yes i guess? |
| 01:55.16 | DanielI | Hello. |
| 01:55.35 | phidog | oh man sideup66 i'm on 33.0.175, i should update |
| 01:55.38 | DanielI | I suggest trying tab completion. Type "dani" and press tab. |
| 01:55.47 | sideup66 | phidog, do you have x64? |
| 01:56.00 | phidog | chalcedony if you want your whole drive and home to be on the drive just format it and install there |
| 01:56.10 | phidog | sideup66 yeah, jessie 64bit |
| 01:56.31 | sideup66 | oh, im on wheezy i486, its a beige box converted for me |
| 01:57.02 | chalcedony | i think i went to a lot of effort before, and it didn't end up making upgrades easier or anything better, that i recall? |
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| 01:57.38 | DanielI | Wheezy x64, DIOS, Arch(I dislike systemd), Red Hat, Slackware, Solaris, Darwin here. |
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| 01:58.29 | phidog | i have a single core phenom or something like that next to with gentoo on it, way too lazy for that though |
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| 01:58.57 | phidog | Thinking of moving to arch this summer in favor of pacman over apt |
| 01:59.17 | sideup66 | phidog: this is why i was here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=750361 |
| 01:59.45 | DanielI | Pacman... Hmm. |
| 01:59.46 | oxez | Is it possible to remove the "Advanced Options for Debian" option in grub2? (Permanently, for example I don't want it to appear again when I run update-grub) |
| 01:59.52 | sideup66 | i see, its an old beige here, amd athalon 1ghz, 1.2 gb memory just runs some file hosting for me |
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| 02:00.18 | sideup66 | im asking because i seem to be affected by the bug, at first it did not open at all, now it opens, loads into memory, but just hangs |
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| 02:00.21 | sideup66 | oOo |
| 02:00.27 | DanielI | I like pacman. |
| 02:00.50 | phidog | neat, right now running jessie with i3 on a 3.6Ghz amd 6100 with 4gb of ram |
| 02:00.52 | sideup66 | but would 7 have any hope of 36 which the page says will fix it, or is that just gonna be a jessie thing |
| 02:01.09 | phidog | reading the thread |
| 02:01.16 | squisher | hey folks, anyone around who has some experience with bcache and errors after power loss? |
| 02:01.40 | sideup66 | not sure but at first i was hit head-on by that |
| 02:03.05 | sideup66 | using ice weasel at the moment as a workaround |
| 02:03.22 | phidog | funny, I literally just installed iceweasel 30 seconds ago |
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| 02:03.51 | sideup66 | ah, did you have chromium issues? |
| 02:04.04 | phidog | not at the moment, other than updating it which i'm about to do |
| 02:04.12 | sideup66 | i guess im wondering if 36 will ever see debian, as they claim it will fix it |
| 02:04.19 | sideup66 | just odd, first time having anything happen to that |
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| 02:07.16 | Extensa5630G | I wonder how to upgrade a given piece of softwarei have installed from the repositories of my debian OS |
| 02:07.24 | Extensa5630G | the version mentioned in the given software's website is newer than the one found in the repositories |
| 02:07.27 | Extensa5630G | and the software is shutter |
| 02:07.53 | sideup66 | phidog: do you think it would be worth trying to get the upstream chromium and loading that |
| 02:07.56 | sideup66 | and seeing if it works |
| 02:08.03 | sideup66 | if so just waiting for the debian repo to catch up? |
| 02:08.14 | phidog | sideup66 i'm installing the regular chromium right now from the debian jessie repo to see if it works alright |
| 02:08.33 | sideup66 | oh, let me know |
| 02:08.45 | sideup66 | the issue seems to affect 32 bit only, as 64 can handle the instruction set |
| 02:08.51 | phidog | Extensa5630G, if it's available in a different repo like experimental or testing (assuming you're on stable or testing) just use backports and install |
| 02:09.10 | phidog | sideup66 which reminds me i should install something on my 32bit machine |
| 02:09.20 | squisher | Extensa5630G, so a backport can be pretty easy but you have to be willing to mess with the cli to compile it |
| 02:09.33 | phidog | any way to tether internet from my desktop to this computer via the ethernet port? I've had dhcp problems last time i did that. |
| 02:09.56 | phidog | I've got a wireless usb dongle thing on my desktop and no ethernet outlet nearby for this other computer... |
| 02:10.08 | sideup66 | go for it |
| 02:10.11 | Extensa5630G | squisher: the cli entertains me :) |
| 02:10.30 | sideup66 | not sure phidog, you would need dhcpd to make the computer act as a server id imagine, unless networkmanager has a way to bridge? |
| 02:11.11 | squisher | Extensa5630G, look at for example: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 02:11.18 | Extensa5630G | squisher: so that's the game?every newer version of a given softwarethat works for linux/debian can be found in the debian unstable repositories as well as the software's website? |
| 02:11.34 | Extensa5630G | *given software that works* |
| 02:11.47 | phidog | sideup66 i think at the moment i'm using the wicd daemon to autoconnect to my wifi from the desktop, and in i3 it's not showing up in the tray, im not sure how to access wicd at this point.. |
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| 02:12.16 | squisher | Extensa5630G, it depends. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Btw, the line "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc" should be "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot" |
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| 02:12.49 | Extensa5630G | squisher: It seems like there is much i have to know about my main OS: Debian wheezy ... |
| 02:13.17 | sideup66 | not sure honestly phi, my server box is a wired system... :/ |
| 02:13.29 | sideup66 | which im gonnna have words with comcast about anyway |
| 02:13.40 | sideup66 | the botnet crap hitting it has been outta control |
| 02:13.52 | phidog | is comcast evil? |
| 02:14.12 | sideup66 | they all are |
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| 02:14.28 | sideup66 | google, comcast, either way you look someone in 'murica is got you on a botnet |
| 02:15.00 | phidog | haha, i've heard many horror stories about the internet down there |
| 02:15.13 | phidog | It's quite alright here other than the blatant throttling |
| 02:15.31 | sideup66 | that and my router has been gettting hit with smurf attacks apparently, either way fail2ban and the netgear firewall in router deal with it, but id rather not get raeped |
| 02:15.39 | sideup66 | canada phidog? |
| 02:15.48 | phidog | Just north of Toronto! |
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| 02:16.26 | sideup66 | hm i see |
| 02:16.30 | sideup66 | any issues with chromium |
| 02:16.38 | phidog | still updating |
| 02:16.51 | phidog | I havent run apt-get upgrade for like 2 months lol |
| 02:17.03 | sveta | meh, 4-5 mo here |
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| 02:17.17 | sideup66 | lol ok |
| 02:17.34 | sideup66 | ill wait on you to tell me how it works out thanks for guinea pigging it for me |
| 02:17.47 | sideup66 | but yeah |
| 02:18.02 | phidog | no problem, I'll get to installing testing on a 32bit box as well |
| 02:18.07 | sideup66 | i know im gonna call comcast and their going to blame me for having spyware or whatever, and i know windows pretty well, so i know my boxes are just fine |
| 02:18.18 | sideup66 | thanks man, im curious, if upstream works ill try it |
| 02:18.49 | dgeary2 | what special configuration is needed to run pbuilder in a lxc container? it is failing to mount proc and aborting. |
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| 02:19.19 | sideup66 | phidog, at which point commence the usual isp back and forth x_x |
| 02:20.04 | phidog | oh man, we used to have a server in Chicago I think about 10 months ago, worst internet ever despite it being in a datacenter |
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| 02:20.49 | sideup66 | hm, weird, who was the ISP? |
| 02:20.52 | phidog | the owner was blaming it on us claiming we had spyware and shit on it despite it running a pretty clean version of debian maintained by me and another dude. |
| 02:21.05 | sideup66 | and dgbeary, im sorry i dont know much on that, sorry :/ |
| 02:21.22 | phidog | Uh, I'm not sure it was a while ago, but we ended up getting it moved to here in Toronto where we're with Bell and they've been nothing but great to us. |
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| 02:21.35 | sideup66 | phidog, yeesh, i hate it |
| 02:21.59 | skyjumper | anyone successfully using maildrop+postfix on wheezy? |
| 02:22.14 | sideup66 | i just want them to possibly setup a firewall rule to quiet that down a bit, my ssh is on port 22 because i didnt know better when i first implemented (yes fail2ban is there and setup) but now my router? |
| 02:22.42 | phidog | you let your isp touch your router? oh boy |
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| 02:22.46 | sideup66 | i can deal with that for my stupidity as its already deployed, but the router has me mad |
| 02:22.48 | sideup66 | phidog: no |
| 02:22.52 | sideup66 | they dont, its my router |
| 02:23.06 | sideup66 | im just saying the shit they have hitting its firewall has me not a happy panda |
| 02:23.31 | phidog | dang |
| 02:23.39 | sideup66 | smurf attacks |
| 02:23.44 | sideup66 | smurf attacks, everywhere |
| 02:23.54 | phidog | One time, when we moved in to this house this ISP guy came in and capped the number of connections on router to five devices. It was so bad until I called and argued until they gave me the router password, reset it, made it nice and now it works. |
| 02:24.17 | sideup66 | just botnet bs really, but i feel like being a res isp, that stuff should be firewalled |
| 02:24.27 | sideup66 | maybe im thinking too logical, idk |
| 02:25.21 | phidog | Hey does anyone know how to get rid of title bars in i3? |
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| 02:27.24 | sideup66 | nah |
| 02:27.31 | sideup66 | phi, hows the upgrade coming? |
| 02:27.42 | phidog | found a thing online, gotta use some type of 3rd party script to do it |
| 02:27.54 | phidog | with chromium 35 it's running just like normal |
| 02:28.32 | phidog | brb doing a quick reboot |
| 02:29.21 | sideup66 | k |
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| 02:34.59 | sideup66 | phidog? |
| 02:35.03 | chalcedony | quick |
| 02:35.17 | sideup66 | umm |
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| 02:36.26 | chalcedony | i was going to ask him how one selects "choose to install one or more of the following predfined collections of software" .. i tried hitting enter before to select, it moved right to the next window.. and didn't add ssh server. |
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| 02:37.22 | phidog | hello all |
| 02:37.47 | chalcedony | wb |
| 02:37.52 | chalcedony | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.21 | sideup66 | hello phidog |
| 02:38.26 | themill | chalcedony: spacebar |
| 02:38.43 | chalcedony | oh! |
| 02:38.50 | chalcedony | themill, thank you :) |
| 02:38.52 | phidog | yeah so chromium 35.0.1916 is running perfectly |
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| 02:39.31 | sideup66 | on 32 bit? |
| 02:39.56 | sideup66 | if its 64 it should |
| 02:40.38 | phidog | fine on my 32bit VM |
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| 02:41.35 | sideup66 | argh :( dunno what the issue is then, tried clearing the config file in the home directory |
| 02:42.00 | phidog | I read the thread and it is weird indeed |
| 02:42.56 | sideup66 | apparently older amd systems are affected |
| 02:43.06 | sideup66 | ok im gonna see if i can get the 36 package from upstream in debian |
| 02:43.34 | phidog | downloading an image of the 7.5 iso 32bit to install on a computer i've got here, i'll keep you updated once i finish |
| 02:44.06 | sideup66 | beige system, if you read looks like amd k7 and such are affected (older cpus) |
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| 02:46.18 | sideup66 | phidog: 36 is in experimental |
| 02:46.24 | sideup66 | assuming that is far up? :( |
| 02:46.49 | phidog | yeah, 35 is in testing, I'm not sure I have the balls to run bleeding edge stuff yet |
| 02:46.59 | phidog | any reason to use 36 over 35? |
| 02:47.12 | sideup66 | the bug report claims the issue is fixed in 36 |
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| 02:48.00 | sideup66 | if i were to install 36 from testing, and let it run and say stable caught up, would that slip right into stable for updates or would i need to remove the testing version, install stable, and that would resync |
| 02:48.03 | sideup66 | im just wondering |
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| 02:48.48 | phidog | I think you can just upgrade what you have using the testing repo |
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| 02:49.37 | sideup66 | hmm well i removed the other |
| 02:49.41 | sideup66 | so i guess load it back |
| 02:49.45 | sideup66 | then load in testing... |
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| 02:49.56 | jmcnaught | sideup66: don't adding testing repositories to stable, you'll break your system |
| 02:50.10 | phidog | jmc he can do it for just one package |
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| 02:50.36 | sideup66 | jmcnaught, i wasnt planning to do the whole repo, just the one package that seems to have a known bug on my stable build |
| 02:50.45 | sideup66 | which the testing version claims to have fixed |
| 02:50.50 | sideup66 | want to test it to confirm |
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| 02:50.57 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell sideup66 about ssb |
| 02:51.17 | sideup66 | and if it works, leave it therre til the stable package catches up (debian stable on box) |
| 02:51.35 | jmcnaught | sideup66: dpkg should have messaged you with instructions on how to backport a package from unstable to stable.. that way it'll be compiled for the versions of libraries that are present in wheezy |
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| 02:51.59 | sideup66 | ok, thanks jmc, got it |
| 02:52.03 | sideup66 | reading it up now |
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| 02:52.47 | jmcnaught | sideup66: by the way if you want to make sure people see messages meant for them, start typing their nick and hit <TAB>.. IRC clients will only hilight messages that have the complete nick in them |
| 02:53.24 | sideup66 | jmcnaught, i know, ive been getting into that habit ;) |
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| 02:53.50 | sideup66 | jmcnaught: thanks however |
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| 02:54.08 | jmcnaught | phidog: advising people to add testing repo to stable isn't something we do here.. checkout https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian the part about FrankenDebian |
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| 02:55.27 | sideup66 | jmcnaught, will that affect my stable packages adding the backport repo to my debian install? |
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| 02:55.58 | jmcnaught | sideup66: the point of the backports repo is that it's a safe way to add newer packages to a stable system |
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| 02:56.12 | sideup66 | jmcnaught, say I do a system update later, it wont wind up updating my entire system with testing will it? this is really over one troublesome package, the rest of the system is running fine where Is |
| 02:56.23 | sideup66 | I see, so this is made specifically not to do that then |
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| 02:57.34 | phidog | sorry jmcnaught my bad. I didn't mean to add the whole repo, you can make an exception for just one package, just though it would help. |
| 02:57.46 | jmcnaught | sideup66: yes.. backports exists partially so people don't bork their systems by mixing releases.. backports repo also defaults to a lower priority so you normally have to speficy that you want it |
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| 02:58.04 | phidog | I've had some horrible nightmares going from stable to testing, made some bad mistakes... |
| 02:58.48 | ctmjr | sideup66: they way jmcnaught is suggesting is the best way to get what you want. if you add testing to your sources list you will not be a happy camper |
| 02:58.52 | jmcnaught | phidog: i understand wanting to help, that's why we're all here :) it's just we see a lot of broken systems around these parts from people mixing releases. checkout "/msg dpkg ssb" if you want to see instructions on how to backport packages from unstable, it's actually pretty easy |
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| 02:59.29 | sideup66 | ctmj i see, so now i just need to figure out how to add it to my repos, i dont see anything in synaptic, do I need to edit my sources.list? |
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| 03:00.11 | phidog | jmcnaught in my early days of debian, i accidentally modified my repos to be testing only, just to update clementine. Everything broke, had to reinstall. Ever since then, I learned to keep my /home separate just in case. |
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| 03:00.57 | sideup66 | phidog, mine is a server, so i dont wanna know how a reinstall will go, i keep an image after every version update just in case things go crazy but ugh |
| 03:01.13 | sideup66 | that will be a bad day to do clean, worried mainly about users being imported and file permissions |
| 03:01.30 | IonCannon218 | phidog: yup thats mainly why i have /home separate |
| 03:01.45 | sideup66 | fortunately their data is actually on a seperate disk, I use a cheapo to boot and a 1 tb raid one (mdadm) to run data |
| 03:01.46 | IonCannon218 | also easy to switch distros |
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| 03:02.04 | sideup66 | how is it easy with /home moved? |
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| 03:02.23 | IonCannon218 | you dont have to reformat, you can easily just move it to new distro |
| 03:02.36 | IonCannon218 | you keep your files |
| 03:02.48 | phidog | I was way too dumb back then to save anything |
| 03:02.54 | asarch | One very stupid question about LVM? If I have only one distro, do I really need the /boot partition outside the LVM volume? |
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| 03:04.05 | sideup66 | i see ion, im not worried about data as i said on a seperate disk, its about taking the raid with me, mounting it, and of course restoring users and various configs for different things the server does |
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| 03:04.23 | sideup66 | configs arent bad as i backup the config files too but im just worried about recreating users and their permissions |
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| 03:05.12 | IonCannon218 | sideup66: tar can preserve permissions and ownership with some flags |
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| 03:06.24 | sideup66 | ion, i see, im just curious, im honestly not looking forward to the day i rebuild, 500 gb of data moving around...yay |
| 03:06.42 | sideup66 | thats when I have my degree, and am working as funding will be availible to do it again |
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| 03:10.20 | sideup66 | ummmm |
| 03:10.21 | sideup66 | guys? |
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| 03:10.48 | sideup66 | why did i just add the backports repo to my system, and request to install chromium, it came up that 93 packages are not upgraded? |
| 03:10.51 | sideup66 | im using debian stable... |
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| 03:11.02 | sideup66 | with all updates already, just updated it |
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| 03:11.46 | jmcnaught | sideup66: put the list on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 03:12.06 | sideup66 | well wait, let me see what its doing |
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| 03:12.45 | IonCannon218 | https://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian this was an interesting read |
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| 03:12.53 | jmcnaught | sideup66: wait, are you installing chromium from backports on a server or was that a different system you were talking about? |
| 03:13.15 | sideup66 | the same system, and im trying to install chromium from backports |
| 03:13.32 | IonCannon218 | wait |
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| 03:13.35 | IonCannon218 | chrome on a server? |
| 03:13.37 | sideup66 | I found this page in the debian wiki ( i did read what dpkg said but it confused me a bit) http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 03:13.46 | skyjumper | anyone using postfix at all on wheezy? |
| 03:13.47 | skyjumper | er |
| 03:13.50 | skyjumper | i mean maildrop |
| 03:13.57 | jmcnaught | sideup66: oh.. well maybe think twice about using backports o a server.. also why do you have crhome on a server at all? or any gui for that matter? |
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| 03:14.34 | sideup66 | jmcnaught, its not always on with the gui, i dont run with gui at start and only launch the gui when needed, kinda new to debian so I use it to help myself along but am teaching myself the shell little by little |
| 03:14.36 | jmcnaught | sideup66: when you were talking about chromium i assumed you were talking about a desktop. |
| 03:14.37 | Amarande | sooo ... |
| 03:14.43 | Amarande | when building a custom kernel from the kernel.org source |
| 03:14.49 | sideup66 | i am, it is a desktop pc |
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| 03:15.00 | Amarande | are there any notables that need to be changed from their defaults to avoid wailing and gnashing of teeth? |
| 03:15.05 | Amarande | or are make menuconfig's defaults generally right? |
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| 03:15.22 | monkwitdafunk | Hi #debian. Where is documentation fr installing nvidia certified drivers |
| 03:15.49 | IonCannon218 | monkwitdafunk: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers link just happened to be on the page i'm reading |
| 03:15.51 | monkwitdafunk | I am trying to review two books as much as i can |
| 03:15.55 | jmcnaught | sideup66: i see.. so more like a home server, not a server used for a business or something |
| 03:15.56 | sideup66 | jmcnaught, its just a home server and im kinda learning linux as i go along, it is used via shell 90% of the time, I just noticed this had borked when maintaining the box |
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| 03:16.08 | monkwitdafunk | Ok. Thanks |
| 03:16.18 | IonCannon218 | sideup66: heh i remember my ubuntu days |
| 03:16.32 | IonCannon218 | way before unity |
| 03:16.44 | sideup66 | jmcnaught, yes, im kinda new/intermediate to linux, so im learning the shell but turn on the desktop when I need it (router and links dont play nice because router gets mad about java script...fun times) |
| 03:16.47 | sideup66 | example needing it |
| 03:16.53 | sideup66 | and IonCannon218 lol |
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| 03:18.10 | sideup66 | jmcnaught, yes it is a home environment |
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| 03:24.43 | jmcnaught | sideup66: and sorry you probably said above, but what was the reason for needing the newer version of chromium? Why not just use Iceweasel? |
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| 03:25.22 | Mike9863 | Keyboard Shortcuts are broken in sid's version of GNOME unless I use GNOME Shell. Is there any way to get around this issue? |
| 03:25.29 | Amarande | Mike9863, use kde? :) |
| 03:25.35 | Mike9863 | Lol no thanks |
| 03:25.47 | Amarande | and yeah, I can understand not wanting to use gnome shell |
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| 03:25.49 | sideup66 | jmcnaught, always had it on my home server and never had an issue until this version which seemed to break |
| 03:25.57 | Amarande | that thing is so hideous it makes modern ui seem elegant |
| 03:26.03 | jmcnaught | Mike9863: unstable questions are better off in #debian-next on irc.debian.org |
| 03:26.06 | sideup66 | just like to figure out how to fix it |
| 03:26.22 | Mike9863 | Amarande: I actually managed to make it look good, but it's much laggier than any alternative I've used |
| 03:26.28 | Mike9863 | Thanks jmcnaught |
| 03:26.49 | jmcnaught | sideup66: it might be easier to use Iceweasel for a bit and simply wait for the next chromium update.. just saying |
| 03:27.12 | sideup66 | as according to the bug report that i had found 36 does fix the issue, and I thought the last update of the program in stable would deal with the problem, which it just changed the program from not launching at all, to launching but appearing in the system running but not doing much |
| 03:27.28 | sideup66 | and jmcnaught i understand that, I guess im being ocd about it is all :/ |
| 03:29.07 | jmcnaught | sideup66: if the chromium package in stable is not launching at all or not "doing much" it could be an extension or config problem local to your computer. In general packages to reach the stable respoitories if they're that broken |
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| 03:29.57 | sideup66 | jmcnaught, I had already tested that theory about config by removing the program and any leftover configuration files left by chromium, then reinstalling chromium again from repo |
| 03:30.21 | sideup66 | jmcnaught, I dont mean to be difficult |
| 03:30.31 | sideup66 | I just wanted to explain what I had done already to try and diagnose the issue |
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| 03:31.45 | jmcnaught | sideup66: well i don't use chromium at all, i'm just surprised a package in stable would be as broken as you describe |
| 03:32.28 | Amarande | jmcnaught: stable has a few howlers |
| 03:32.41 | Amarande | jmcnaught: for instance cups on networked postscript laser printers ... it's ludicrously slow |
| 03:33.01 | Amarande | (apparently whatever causes this has been fixed for next release, though, since jessie doesn't have the same issue) |
| 03:33.23 | jmcnaught | Amarande: i'm quite familiar with your list of complaints about wheezy at this point there's no need to repeat them |
| 03:34.23 | sideup66 | as per this bug report that I am affected by originally that started all of this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=750361 |
| 03:34.37 | sideup66 | jmcnaught, check the link i just posted |
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| 03:36.12 | jmcnaught | sideup66: yeah, that would be enough for me to switch to using Iceweasel, but to each their own |
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| 03:37.32 | sideup66 | jmc yeah, i just tried the newer version and my library isnt right, so i guess im gonna play with the repos and see, im just used to chromium jmc, and anything on the web just works in chromium i guess, though iceweasel isnt bad :) |
| 03:37.38 | sideup66 | to each their own in the browser war |
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| 03:38.58 | jmcnaught | sideup66: Iceweasel is basically just Firefox with the branding changed. I doubt there's very much that works in Chromium but doesn't in Iceweasel |
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| 03:40.10 | Amarande | jmcnaught: probably mostly recent flash based stuff, since flash plugin is EOL for linux |
| 03:40.37 | Amarande | and the google browser has that pepper stuff (at least chrome does, I"m not fully sure about chromium) |
| 03:40.44 | jiohdi | google-chrome has the only updated flash for linux, yes? |
| 03:40.51 | Amarande | jiohdi: yeah |
| 03:41.04 | jiohdi | chromium works off mozilla plugin so no |
| 03:41.07 | Amarande | in fact, there may be no winners in the browser wars for linux now, depending on one's needs |
| 03:41.15 | Amarande | basically, let's say I'm glad I can live without web java |
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| 03:41.32 | jmcnaught | Amarande: flash needs to die. For chromium however there is the pepperflashplugin-nonfree package which extracts the flash plugin from chrome to use in chromium |
| 03:41.36 | jiohdi | netflicks-desktop allows hbo go :) |
| 03:41.39 | Amarande | since atm you can pretty much have java or flash but not both (chrome no longer accepts npapi, so no more java, unless maybe you install oracle java 8 but ewww) |
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| 03:41.57 | Amarande | jmcnaught: agreed, but html5 isn't quite all there yet, it seems |
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| 03:42.30 | Amarande | jmcnaught: even then patent encumbrance may necessitate flash in many countries as it's often how h.264 video is supported on linux |
| 03:42.30 | jiohdi | since google owns youtube and as youtube goes so goes the world, flash will not be a problem for long |
| 03:42.58 | Amarande | and apple has pretty much seen to it that h.264 is here to stay on the web |
| 03:43.48 | Amarande | jiohdi: yeah, google has moved near everything to html5, main sticking point is monetised videos (flash apparently lets marketing partners know if you watched or skipped the ad, which is info they want) |
| 03:43.50 | jmcnaught | Amarande: the latest Firefox adds h.264 support via gstreamer on linux. It needs a newer gstreamer than what's in Wheezy to work though |
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| 03:46.43 | babilen | jiohdi: You can easily install pepperflashplugin-nonfree for chromium |
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| 03:47.07 | jiohdi | why bother when google-chrome is available? |
| 03:47.25 | sideup66 | i see |
| 03:47.36 | Amarande | jiohdi: some people have a philosophical objection to google chrome |
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| 03:47.46 | sideup66 | jiohdi,i was trying to keep it to the debian repos |
| 03:47.51 | babilen | jiohdi: google-chrome cannot be distributed by Debian and there are other differences |
| 03:48.00 | sideup66 | does chrome itself have a repository i can add to sources maybe and just run things off of that |
| 03:48.11 | sideup66 | my main reason for staying there was because debian-stable likes to use old packages |
| 03:48.20 | jiohdi | it seems like the iceweasel firefox thing |
| 03:48.23 | Amarande | sideup66: actually yes it does, when you install the chrome .deb from google it adds the necessary repo for updates to your sources.list automatically |
| 03:48.35 | jmcnaught | sideup66: based on the bug report you linked me to, i bet that chrome would have the same problem |
| 03:48.40 | oxez | While we're on the subject of chrome, does anyone have this issue: Copy something from Chromium, close Chromium, try to paste what you copied.. clipboard seems to empty itself after closing the browser? |
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| 03:49.03 | jiohdi | I find that happens with many apps not just chromium |
| 03:49.04 | Amarande | oxez: clipboards on X are heavily DE based |
| 03:49.12 | Amarande | so it might be a bug in your DE rather than chromium |
| 03:49.12 | babilen | jiohdi: Well, licensing, trademarks and copyright are one very important part in free software, yeah |
| 03:49.17 | jmcnaught | oxez: that's the way that clipboard works in X.. i think you would have that problem in other applications too |
| 03:50.19 | babilen | jiohdi: Either way, this is the wrong channel to discuss that (you want #debian-offtopic for that) -- You can install chromium with pepperflashplugin-nonfree on Debian if you want that or Icewawsel from http://mozilla.debian.net if you want a newer version of that. |
| 03:50.26 | oxez | seems to work for every other application I use though, I'll try to investigate more |
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| 03:55.19 | Amarande | oxez: the important thing to understand about X is it doesn't actually have, as far as I understand, a clipboard at all by default |
| 03:55.29 | Amarande | things like a clipboard are services provided by your desktop environment |
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| 03:55.40 | Amarande | and thus are entirely dependent on how your DE handles things |
| 03:56.01 | Amarande | like KDE has Klipper which actually keeps several past copies accessible in clipboard history, for instance |
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| 03:56.44 | sideup66 | jmcnaught, but i think the chrome package uses the newer version |
| 03:56.54 | sideup66 | it is common for debian to lag behind a bit on stable... |
| 03:57.35 | babilen | sideup66: "stable" means "not changing" so that is not a surprise |
| 03:57.50 | Amarande | I'm not sure if that clipboard fact will be changing in wayland or if it will still be dependent on WM/desktop environment as with X |
| 03:59.22 | sideup66 | babilen, yes but they usually move packages like that due to security issues |
| 03:59.36 | jmcnaught | sideup66: from what i understand 35 is the current release of chrome and chromium (i could be wrong). Also the bug report you linked to says that the upstream (that is, the chromium developers) have removed support for older i386 processors. I only skimmed the bug report, but it looks like it's the Debian developers that are adding that support back in |
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| 04:00.16 | jiohdi | stable in debian means does not break or interfer with other apps |
| 04:00.33 | oxez | Amarande: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=359645 |
| 04:00.37 | babilen | jiohdi: No, that is wrong. "stable" in Debian *only* means "not changing" |
| 04:00.43 | oxez | Seems like a bug with Aura |
| 04:00.47 | babilen | dpkg: stable |
| 04:00.47 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.5); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 04:00.57 | jiohdi | stable is always being updated so it is changing |
| 04:01.13 | jiohdi | stable means tested and works |
| 04:01.32 | babilen | jiohdi: Please try to be precise in the information you give to other people in this support channel. |
| 04:01.43 | sideup66 | i see jmc, people have said that they have loaded 36 successfuly on their machines and made it work |
| 04:02.18 | sideup66 | so im going to add backports and see if i can get the updated version of things going with 36 and wait for it to stream down to stable |
| 04:02.18 | Amarande | oxez: huh, never seen that be an issue, but might be because I use kde and klipper is so robust |
| 04:02.19 | Amarande | will have to test it in a bit |
| 04:02.57 | babilen | jiohdi: And "stable" has very little to do with "tested and works". Naturally it would be a bad idea to release a set of software that isn't allowed to change in a broken state. Which is why *prior* to releasing it bugs are being fixed, but once it is released as stable it doesn't change (security and other similar grave bugs are still fixed) |
| 04:03.31 | babilen | sideup66: 36 has not yet been packaged AFAICT |
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| 04:06.22 | jmcnaught | jiohdi: the point of stable meaning "not changing" is that you don't have to worry that applying updates will pull in new versions that behave differently or require configureation changes. No surprises is a good thing. |
| 04:06.40 | jiohdi | agreed |
| 04:07.13 | sideup66 | babilen, why does this exist? https://packages.debian.org/experimental/chromium |
| 04:07.45 | babilen | sideup66: What exactly are you referring to? |
| 04:08.05 | sideup66 | chromium experimental is 36, but they say it solves the problem 35 has in debian stable |
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| 04:08.22 | babilen | sideup66: Ah, it is in experimental and judd listed it above. Fair enough. |
| 04:09.01 | oxez | Amarande: Seems like it's fixed in 36, they removed // TODO comments with actual code! |
| 04:09.09 | sideup66 | yes, why im thinking of fixing it with the experimental version |
| 04:09.12 | jmcnaught | skyjumper: i don't use maildrop, but it might help if you provide some details about the problem you're having with it. If you're getting errors, paste them to http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 04:09.30 | sideup66 | and to see if it fixes it then can just wait it out til it slips into stable (which it will because security) |
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| 04:09.49 | Amarande | oxez: also doesn't seem to affect kde at all |
| 04:10.05 | oxez | Amarande: Your klipper thing probably manages the clipboard |
| 04:10.07 | babilen | Amarande: I like to point out that this channel is strictly for support and it seems as if a lot of your recent discourse would be much better suited for #debian-offtopic as you simply like to chat about certain, Linux related, topics. Please make use of that channel and keep lengthy discourse out of this channel. Ta. |
| 04:11.29 | jmcnaught | oxez: you could do "apt-cache search clipboard history" to see a list of packages similar to klipper that might be a better fit for your DE |
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| 04:12.00 | oxez | jmcnaught: Turns out it was a bug in chrome 35 introduced by their change to Aura, it's fixed in 36, so I'll wait for that :) |
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| 04:23.21 | sideup66 | well libc6 seems busted with the new one |
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| 04:23.45 | sideup66 | i might just follow conventional wisdom and just use iceweasel til it blows over |
| 04:24.09 | sideup66 | its seriously not even used frequently, its a maintenance hatch more than anything else on this box |
| 04:25.11 | jmcnaught | sideup66: did libc6 get upgraded when you tried installing that chromium package, or did the newer version of chromium complain about libc6 being too old? |
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| 04:26.05 | sideup66 | the new version which is 36 from testing complained about libc6 being too old |
| 04:26.56 | sideup66 | needs to be >=2.10 i believe |
| 04:27.23 | sideup66 | unless that is upgradable but i guess im worried as to what it would break |
| 04:27.50 | jmcnaught | sideup66: okay good. upgrading libc6 to a newer version in Wheezy is not a good idea |
| 04:27.55 | sideup66 | and it didnt grab any newer version from backports |
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| 04:28.28 | sideup66 | im sorry libc6 >=2.15 |
| 04:29.15 | sideup66 | was it (just looked it back up |
| 04:29.47 | jmcnaught | sideup66: yeah packages in experimental are extremely unlikely to work on stable |
| 04:29.52 | sideup66 | jmcnaught, the family whom i got into the world of linux from is actually from older unix days of yore |
| 04:30.25 | sideup66 | he is interesting, actually against upgrading as he feels it somtimes just breaks too muc |
| 04:30.25 | sideup66 | much* |
| 04:31.45 | sideup66 | whenever i mention about updating my distro to him he looks at me and just says well why, didnt the old one work fine? |
| 04:31.46 | sideup66 | im talking any upgrades |
| 04:32.20 | sideup66 | stable or not |
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| 04:32.54 | sideup66 | he would upgrade only if it proved necessary |
| 04:32.54 | sideup66 | mind you this was an earlier time in computing too |
| 04:33.28 | sideup66 | we didnt have constant web threats popping up like today either |
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| 04:34.03 | babilen | sideup66: → #debian-offtopic |
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| 04:34.30 | sideup66 | so i kinda get his logic, also purpose builds dont go wandering off into the internet, i came from microsoft land where your a fool not to patch |
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| 04:36.27 | sideup66 | ok ok sorry |
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| 04:36.57 | sideup66 | thanks anyway everyone, ill just load debian into my box and wait it out i suppose |
| 04:37.31 | sideup66 | i mean chromium |
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| 05:01.16 | Bsims | where would I set NNTPSERVER variable for bash? I tried in .bashrc as NNTPSERVER="address.of.server.net" and it didn't work |
| 05:01.45 | tubaman | did you export it? |
| 05:02.05 | Bsims | Ah so thats the missing step |
| 05:02.24 | tubaman | probably |
| 05:03.00 | Bsims | that was it thanks tubaman |
| 05:03.00 | LtL | Bsims: append a && export NNTPSERVER |
| 05:03.33 | Bsims | yeah I didn't think I had to export it if it was in my .bashrc but apparently I do |
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| 05:04.04 | Bsims | the things ya forget when you no longer run nix every day |
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| 05:08.19 | dgeary2 | sideup66, answering my own question: mounting proc requires capability sys_admin |
| 05:10.44 | deepblue | aftet power failure takes place,ithe added torrents gets less than before it.how to fix this? |
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| 05:22.11 | LoveAndHappiness | hello |
| 05:22.16 | LoveAndHappiness | anyone here? |
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| 05:22.56 | LoveAndHappiness | how do I talk to others in person? |
| 05:22.59 | LoveAndHappiness | I mean 1 to 1? |
| 05:23.20 | LoveAndHappiness | I tried "/msg user message" |
| 05:23.53 | bazhang_ | ask first |
| 05:23.58 | LoveAndHappiness | yes |
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| 05:24.02 | LoveAndHappiness | I just want to know, how it works |
| 05:24.06 | dotDeb | woot |
| 05:24.07 | LoveAndHappiness | I am using irssi |
| 05:24.11 | bazhang_ | "may I PM you" |
| 05:24.15 | dotDeb | just installed debian with kde with an encrypted LVM |
| 05:24.25 | LoveAndHappiness | bazhang "may I PM you?" :) |
| 05:24.41 | bazhang_ | keep it in channel |
| 05:24.48 | dotDeb | where do I go in KDE to change the gray boxy-ness of the window buttons and stuff? |
| 05:25.18 | LoveAndHappiness | did you get that bazhang? |
| 05:25.39 | dimitry7 | Hey guys, correct me if I am wrong. Here at work we have backup database files in /backupdb or some accounting info in /var/accounting, etc... my idea is to move ALL that to /home... is that a good practice for security or there is no problem at all if I leave it like it is now? |
| 05:26.31 | LoveAndHappiness | bazhang |
| 05:27.09 | bazhang_ | LoveAndHappiness, no, ask in the channel. |
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| 05:30.47 | LoveAndHappiness | test |
| 05:30.57 | LoveAndHappiness | hello guys |
| 05:31.00 | dotDeb | hi |
| 05:31.00 | LoveAndHappiness | can someone help me out |
| 05:31.04 | LoveAndHappiness | I am new to linux |
| 05:31.09 | dotDeb | just ask |
| 05:31.19 | themill | LoveAndHappiness: being new doesn't mean you have to be annoying. |
| 05:31.21 | dotDeb | if someone can help they will read it and answer |
| 05:31.30 | rryoumaa | LoveAndHappiness: welcome to linux |
| 05:31.31 | LoveAndHappiness | kk... formulating question now |
| 05:32.06 | dotDeb | themill he/she could be new to IRC too |
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| 05:32.21 | LoveAndHappiness | In windows I could just "cd.." to get to my root folder. In Linux my Root folder seems to be a folder, that has "Desktop, Documents, Downloads, Music, etc." |
| 05:32.26 | LoveAndHappiness | If I want to install lamp |
| 05:32.36 | themill | dotDeb: except they are not |
| 05:32.40 | LoveAndHappiness | In windows I could just install it under Partition D: |
| 05:32.51 | themill | dpkg: tell LoveAndHappiness about lamp |
| 05:33.03 | dotDeb | themill ah |
| 05:33.13 | GTRsdk | Anyone know why my install might be taking so long? |
| 05:33.30 | LoveAndHappiness | does this mean, that in linux my working folder has to be the folder, where my "pictures, videos and documents" are? |
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| 05:33.59 | themill | LoveAndHappiness: no, that's just some starting suggestions for you from your desktop environment |
| 05:34.18 | GTRsdk | It's 7.5.0 AMD64 running off of a Lexar USB drive. Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB RAM, 60 GB HDD |
| 05:34.29 | rryoumaa | LoveAndHappiness: your main directory is /home/whatever |
| 05:34.39 | LoveAndHappiness | themill HOw do I use "cd.." in linux then? |
| 05:34.46 | GTRsdk | And hd6970 |
| 05:35.00 | themill | LoveAndHappiness: you're missing the space |
| 05:35.03 | abbe | LoveAndHappiness: cd .. (space after cd ) |
| 05:35.14 | GTRsdk | Been at the Select and Install software part for a few hours |
| 05:35.35 | abbe | GTRsdk: upgrading debian gnu/linux to 7.0.5 ? |
| 05:35.36 | LoveAndHappiness | if I "cd " and then "ls" I am still in the same "Home Directory" |
| 05:35.45 | LoveAndHappiness | that displays "Desktop, Documents, Pictures, etc." |
| 05:36.07 | LoveAndHappiness | I just want to navigate through my entire harddisk, using terminal |
| 05:36.12 | GTRsdk | abbe: no, it's installing for the initial install |
| 05:36.21 | rryoumaa | LoveAndHappiness: cd / |
| 05:36.23 | themill | LoveAndHappiness: "cd" and "cd .." are different things. |
| 05:36.27 | themill | dpkg: tell LoveAndHappiness about general cli tutorial |
| 05:36.29 | cra1g321 | GTRsdk what did you use to put the ISO onto the usb pen drive ? |
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| 05:37.11 | abbe | GTRsdk: if you can find terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F3, or Ctrl+Alt+F4), go to: tail -f /var/log/syslog (should print some information on what's going on) |
| 05:37.33 | GTRsdk | cra1g321: dd if=img.iso of=drive bs=5M |
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| 05:37.50 | Karl177 | hello |
| 05:38.02 | LoveAndHappiness | rryoumaa thank you, will look further into navigation now |
| 05:38.14 | Karl177 | hi |
| 05:38.21 | Karl177 | love and happiness |
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| 05:38.28 | LoveAndHappiness | hey karl |
| 05:38.42 | rryoumaa | LoveAndHappiness: you made the right decision to learn cli |
| 05:38.52 | Karl177 | so what is this channel all about |
| 05:38.59 | LoveAndHappiness | i know |
| 05:39.04 | LoveAndHappiness | at least it looks cool |
| 05:39.11 | GTRsdk | abbe: it shows that it's setting the programs up |
| 05:39.11 | LoveAndHappiness | :) |
| 05:39.25 | LoveAndHappiness | brb |
| 05:39.41 | GTRsdk | But sadly it is still going slowly |
| 05:39.42 | cra1g321 | i go this dd if=<file> of=<device> bs=4M; sync from https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 05:39.51 | cra1g321 | did you maybe forget about sync ? |
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| 05:40.41 | Karl177 | I said what is this channel all about |
| 05:40.43 | Karl177 | ? |
| 05:40.52 | GTRsdk | cra1g321: I've never heard about using sync... Always had success without it... But it's not really using the flash drive anymore in this step, right? |
| 05:40.53 | abbe | GTRsdk: okay, so then that's what's going on. I'm not sure about your hardware, but if it's slow (like some flash based netbooks) storage, then it's going to take a long time. |
| 05:41.21 | cra1g321 | it shouldnt take hours |
| 05:41.26 | Karl177 | its my first time here |
| 05:41.35 | GTRsdk | The hard drive came from a Macbook that ran Windows 8.1 decently |
| 05:41.48 | abbe | oh, okay |
| 05:42.11 | cra1g321 | i'm thinking the installer maybe wasn't copied over to the usb pen drive correctly |
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| 05:42.35 | cra1g321 | is it installing anything ? or is it just stuck at loading the software selection screen ? |
| 05:42.49 | GTRsdk | cra1g321: the installer seems to be working, but slowly |
| 05:42.55 | GTRsdk | It is installing |
| 05:43.03 | Karl177 | does anyone have any good scripts |
| 05:43.07 | Karl177 | for IRC |
| 05:43.24 | GTRsdk | Taking about 5 seconds between each program |
| 05:43.46 | cra1g321 | i'm not sure then |
| 05:43.48 | abbe | try: dmesg |tail |
| 05:44.05 | abbe | maybe if it's emitting some I/O errors, or stalls, they should show up in there |
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| 05:44.42 | dotDeb | karl177 idk if you got your question answered because I quit and then rejoined, but this channel is for the Debian GNU/Linux operating system |
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| 05:45.25 | GTRsdk | abbe: nothing unusual showing up there... Just partition information |
| 05:45.45 | mindstorm | Karl177: scripts to do what exactly |
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| 05:45.57 | dotDeb | does anyone know where to go to theme inside windows in kde |
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| 05:46.25 | dotDeb | not sure how to describe it, but inside of windows on menus and buttons it is windows 95 -esque |
| 05:47.12 | abbe | are you installing on battery by any chance? |
| 05:47.21 | abbe | not connected to AC |
| 05:47.43 | GTRsdk | It's installing on AC, since it's installing on a desktop |
| 05:47.55 | abbe | Oh, okay |
| 05:48.10 | abbe | then installing over USB casing or something ? |
| 05:48.15 | GTRsdk | Because I had to pull the HDD from the macbook to install... Once finished, it'll go back in the macbook |
| 05:48.30 | GTRsdk | SATA 3 |
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| 05:49.16 | GTRsdk | Though the drive shows up as an ATA drive, while things like my WD Black show up as like SATA, iirc |
| 05:50.16 | abbe | okay not sure about that, but my other guess would be misaligned partitions, if your drive is 4096 bytes sector drive, and your partitions aren't aligned to 4096-bytes, then it can cause a good amount of slowness, or so I experienced |
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| 05:57.54 | abbe | hdparm -i, i think |
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| 06:38.32 | jmd | Something keeps dumping crap in /tmp and filling it up. How can I find out what is doing it? |
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| 06:41.37 | nevyn | jmd: is there a pattern to the files created? |
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| 06:42.19 | rozie | jmd: iotop -ao |
| 06:42.49 | nevyn | fuser /tmp/* in a loop |
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| 06:43.55 | nevyn | ver USB casing or something ? |
| 06:43.55 | nevyn | 15:48 < GTRsdk> Because I had to pull the HDD from the macbook to install... Once finished, it'll go back in the macbook |
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| 06:45.16 | rozie | iotop will not work if /tmp is tmpfs |
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| 07:00.34 | jmd | rozie: iotop: command not found |
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| 07:01.29 | rozie | jmd: not my fault ;-) |
| 07:01.35 | jmd | nevyn: Yes they are called /tmp/tmp.xxxxxx and seem to be created at or around 07:05 each morning. |
| 07:02.01 | jmd | But I cannot find anything in cron which obviously is doing it. |
| 07:02.02 | nevyn | look in cron for a job starting at 7am |
| 07:02.20 | nevyn | and /etc/cron.daily |
| 07:02.21 | nevyn | etc. |
| 07:04.18 | SpaceKookie | I'm having a massive issue with Wheezy right now. Last night I was installing requirements for RVM. It wanted "libncurses5-dev" so Installed from the sid repository. |
| 07:04.44 | SpaceKookie | Then about 5 minutes into the RVM requirements setup my bash crashed (red font in Terminal) and after rebooting my xserver is bricked :| |
| 07:05.35 | rozie | SpaceKookie: it's not a Wheezy issue. you mixed it with sid. be glad that it starts... |
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| 07:06.37 | george | hi there |
| 07:06.51 | LoveAndHappiness | hi there |
| 07:06.51 | rozie | SpaceKookie: install apt-show-versions, it can help you identify which packages are not from stable |
| 07:07.14 | LoveAndHappiness | I just installed lamp, but I can't find where the "www" directory is, can someone help me with this? |
| 07:07.20 | rozie | install stable versions. this should fix you xserver (but break RVM) |
| 07:07.23 | SpaceKookie | rozie: okay...I'm just removing the package, removing the sid repos from my sources. Anything else I should do to give my system a chance to recover? |
| 07:07.54 | rozie | if you want to use newer versions of packages, use backports repository |
| 07:08.02 | SpaceKookie | Okay |
| 07:08.51 | rozie | you may have your libc upgraded. prepare for live and chroot |
| 07:09.02 | rozie | (liveCD/USB) |
| 07:09.03 | SpaceKookie | I guess there is no magic "repair broken shit the user breaks" command for aptitude? :) xD |
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| 07:09.43 | rozie | no. and downgrade is not supported in Debian |
| 07:10.09 | rozie | so prepare for some manual work |
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| 07:14.04 | SpaceKookie | rozie: okay there are 2 issues now. 1) I can't log into my user account anymore (via console) but into other accounts. 2) I get dropped into a default login screen after boot but I can't actually log into anything with a GUI |
| 07:14.15 | SpaceKookie | Anything you can point me at how to fix Xserver? |
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| 07:16.02 | rozie | SpaceKookie: paste apt-show-versions |
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| 07:18.52 | SpaceKookie | rozie: that will be tricky. It's telling me I have a version mismatch with SSL when trying to SSH the file off the computer. And I don't actually own a memory stick :s |
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| 07:26.00 | arcke | i cant reach debian.org |
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| 07:26.16 | formorer | works fine here |
| 07:29.38 | arcke | everything works, just no http/ftp to *debian.org |
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| 07:32.12 | arcke | and i can indeed still reach debian.org through tor |
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| 07:35.53 | rozie | arcke: http works fine here |
| 07:35.59 | rozie | http://isup.me |
| 07:37.09 | arcke | wtf is going on this side.. |
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| 07:38.05 | arcke | it's unreachable from my connection |
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| 07:41.52 | arcke | i get the feeling me using dnscrypt may be the cause |
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| 07:54.12 | chuckles_ | hi all |
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| 07:54.51 | chuckles_ | problem with internet, i get ip adress gateway etc all looks good but when i ping router i get a no route to host |
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| 07:59.08 | null_l33t | chuckles_, you try this yet: route add default gw xx.xx.xx.xx |
| 08:00.13 | chuckles_ | ok thanks ill write that down for when i boot it up again |
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| 08:00.35 | chuckles_ | although it says it has a gate way from dhcp that is correct |
| 08:00.39 | null_l33t | are you using /etc/network/interfaces to configure? |
| 08:01.00 | chuckles_ | using built in app |
| 08:01.27 | null_l33t | just find the "gateway" option, and set the router ip there.. |
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| 08:08.31 | george | hi guys |
| 08:08.40 | george | dk |
| 08:08.47 | george | how do I change my nick? |
| 08:08.51 | george | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.59 | george | command doesn work |
| 08:09.12 | Eren97 | It does |
| 08:09.20 | george | not for me |
| 08:09.33 | george | anyway: What is the opposit command of "cd dir" |
| 08:09.46 | george | in windows it is "cd.." |
| 08:10.05 | george | and in linux "cd " just brings me back to the root directory |
| 08:10.17 | george | or the "Home"-Dir |
| 08:10.30 | george | anyone? |
| 08:11.06 | themill | george: we've already answered that one today... |
| 08:11.58 | chalcedony | i'm redoing the formatting on my 2 tb debian drive again, to have a separate home, is 8 GB enough for swap? |
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| 08:13.15 | null_l33t | chalcedony, it used to be 2x the amount of RAM for swap, not sure what the more recent is, but I wouldn't use anything less then == to RAM |
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| 08:13.39 | george | themill: I am another george... |
| 08:13.45 | Eren97 | cd .. |
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| 08:13.50 | george | ah... right |
| 08:14.05 | george | ok, thanks |
| 08:14.08 | aphoriser | why a I getting: " E: Command line option 'd' [from -dev] is not known." when I try to to do any apt-get ? |
| 08:14.16 | george | because linux sucks |
| 08:14.19 | george | :) |
| 08:14.28 | george | just an amateurs joke |
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| 08:14.58 | null_l33t | at least they don't charge you like Apple and MS do for the same joke |
| 08:15.34 | null_l33t | and... you get to be on the inside of it ;-) |
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| 08:17.38 | Eren97 | aphoriser: paste the code |
| 08:17.42 | Eren97 | The line I mean |
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| 08:18.53 | j4jackj | .____. |
| 08:18.57 | null_l33t | apt-get doesn't have a -e or -v flag... only -V |
| 08:18.59 | aphoriser | Eren97, well I get this when I try to run any ./somefile.sh |
| 08:19.07 | j4jackj | e_e |
| 08:19.11 | aphoriser | sorry my bad its not apt specific |
| 08:19.52 | chalcedony | null_l33t, i think i have 4 GB of ram so 8 for swap is what it's making with the default settings |
| 08:20.10 | null_l33t | that's the way I would do it |
| 08:20.16 | Eren97 | What's swap again? |
| 08:20.21 | null_l33t | chalcedony, ^^ |
| 08:20.54 | chalcedony | null_l33t, thank you :) |
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| 08:21.04 | ziftex | Hi. |
| 08:21.22 | null_l33t | Eren97, google: what is linux swap |
| 08:21.30 | themill | george: sure. And I'm the tooth fairy. |
| 08:22.01 | themill | aphoriser: what's the actual command you've got there? |
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| 08:23.15 | chalcedony | oh him. |
| 08:23.19 | ziftex | I have connected a profilic usb-to-serial adapter too my debian laptop (and a hp switch at the other end). When I do cat /dev/ttyUSB0 I can see output from the switch. But when I open putty and open /dev/ttyUSB0 it says "unable to open serial port" |
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| 08:25.30 | aphoriser | themill, > #!/bin/basb sudo apt-get install ....... \ ... <--- thats my command |
| 08:25.35 | aphoriser | in .sh file |
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| 08:25.43 | ziftex | alway tried CU. it says "cu: open (/dev/ttyUSB0): Permission denied" |
| 08:25.45 | HelloShitty | hi |
| 08:25.48 | HelloShitty | I need some advice |
| 08:25.58 | HelloShitty | When you guys can |
| 08:25.58 | themill | aphoriser: there's no package called ......... so perhaps you'd like to show us what you're *actually* doing. |
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| 08:26.58 | equex | i have problems with usb-to-serial too |
| 08:27.13 | mjt | ziftex: don't run it as root |
| 08:27.18 | equex | i read somewhere that kernel changes broke some serial drivers |
| 08:27.25 | equex | at least tje cp210x |
| 08:27.28 | equex | the* |
| 08:27.44 | ziftex | mjt, it says that as non-root just after fresh boot. |
| 08:27.51 | aphoriser | themill, http://paste.debian.net/106227/ |
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| 08:28.06 | mjt | ziftex: either that, or you should be a member of dialout group |
| 08:28.18 | themill | aphoriser: have a look in the middle of line 5 |
| 08:28.45 | aphoriser | themill, oh obvious thanks :D |
| 08:28.52 | themill | :) |
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| 08:31.19 | ziftex | mjt, I added my non-root too the dialout groups and now cu says "Connected." :) |
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| 08:32.08 | ziftex | Thanks alot. |
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| 09:00.55 | obsed | Hi |
| 09:01.20 | obsed | Does anyone know if the ASUS Xonar ST sound card will work well with Debian Wheezy ? |
| 09:01.41 | obsed | It is this card: http://www.asus.com/Sound_Cards_and_DigitaltoAnalog_Converters/Xonar_Essence_ST/specifications/ with an ASUS AV100 High-Definition Sound Processor and a TI Bur-Brown PCM1792A |
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| 09:50.27 | pbunny | hi |
| 09:50.35 | pbunny | i'm having issues with touchscreen on gnome3 |
| 09:50.52 | pbunny | first, zoom-in and zoom-out gestures don't work in chromium |
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| 09:52.23 | pbunny | Xorg.0.log has [ 6.572] (--) evdev: Atmel Atmel maXTouch Digitizer: Found absolute multitouch axes line |
| 09:52.38 | pbunny | and [ 6.572] (II) evdev: Atmel Atmel maXTouch Digitizer: Using mtdev for this device |
| 09:52.45 | pbunny | mtdev == multitouch device ? |
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| 09:53.12 | pbunny | however, when i run xev and try multitouch gesture, it only captures one touch |
| 09:53.42 | pbunny | is there any good solution for enabling full-featured multitouch on touchscreen in gnome 3? |
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| 09:54.06 | pbunny | and second question - sometimes touchscreen stops triggering mouseup event in chrome |
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| 09:54.22 | pbunny | e.g. when i click on "close tab" icon, it gets highlighted |
| 09:54.29 | pbunny | as if i held mouse clicked on it |
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| 09:55.22 | pbunny | also sometimes i can't click on tabs (to switch them) anymore, probably because same missing mouseup event |
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| 10:02.13 | george | sudo npm install -g bower |
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| 10:05.18 | Milos | How do I stop console-kit-daemon from starting? |
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| 10:26.41 | toli | I have issues to go on standby len closing the lid on debian wheezy. I use xfce4, and in the power management it have option to suspend wen closing the lid only if plugged on AC. however it shows on battery only "ASK" and "Nothing" why is this option not available on battery mode? |
| 10:26.41 | paul_grozav | Hello, I need to install debian on a dell poweredge 2950. I'm using a netinstall usb stick but I need this firmware: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-bnx2 . What's the best way to solve this? |
| 10:27.00 | toli | when* |
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| 10:29.41 | paul_grozav | Hello? |
| 10:29.59 | formorer | paul_grozav: use the images with firmware included |
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| 10:30.22 | formorer | paul_grozav: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 10:30.23 | paul_grozav | You mean these: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ |
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| 10:30.27 | paul_grozav | yes ,, |
| 10:30.54 | paul_grozav | Are they safe? are they published by the debian community? or why does it say unofficial? |
| 10:31.27 | formorer | because we don't officialy support non-free |
| 10:31.45 | formorer | but they are done by the debian project with the same tools as the other images (by the same guy) |
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| 10:32.22 | paul_grozav | So, is it safe to run in on a production server? |
| 10:33.12 | formorer | paul_grozav: yes. except of the firmware they aren't different to the normal installer |
| 10:33.12 | paul_grozav | does it contain any closed source code that could not be verified by the debian community? |
| 10:33.30 | formorer | firmware. |
| 10:35.14 | paul_grozav | ok, thanks :) |
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| 10:36.43 | trae32566 | http://xkcd.com/797/ |
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| 10:51.21 | Gear_ | hi, can someone tell me about a kde release of debian |
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| 10:52.03 | formorer | please be more verbose in your question |
| 10:52.23 | Gear_ | the dealbreakers are: Mypaint, Krita, gnome 3.8 |
| 10:53.19 | Gear_ | as the software that works, and of course gimp, vlc, firefox, but I'd primarily wnt to use KDE |
| 10:53.40 | jelly-home | !tell Gear_ about install kde |
| 10:53.50 | Gear_ | hang on I have more illustration software I need to work |
| 10:54.21 | jelly-home | I have not personally checked either Mypaint or Krita |
| 10:55.28 | jelly-home | you may have to investigate suitability on your own |
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| 10:56.16 | Gear_ | how? |
| 10:57.39 | Gear_ | if someone could install them from the repos, they aren't exactly huge |
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| 10:57.48 | Gear_ | I'd be pretty grateful |
| 10:58.12 | Gear_ | in an intangible way :) |
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| 11:01.44 | Gear_ | I can't distro hop again until I know this works |
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| 11:02.13 | Gear_ | opensuse is a bit of a disaster |
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| 11:02.37 | Gear_ | but why is debian so weird about gpl? |
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| 11:15.13 | Gear_ | is there maybe another channel that can answer my questions |
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| 11:16.09 | format_c | Gear_, not channels answer questions, the people currently in could to that. |
| 11:16.46 | afsal | how to do APT pinning ? |
| 11:16.48 | Gear_ | are there some people who would be so kind as to answer my questions |
| 11:16.49 | format_c | Maybe right now, it's not the best time for your question. the people that could have an answer for your are not yet in. |
| 11:17.01 | format_c | I suggest, try at another time. |
| 11:17.02 | jelly-home | Gear_: how? Install Debian and try things. |
| 11:17.07 | arcke | Gear_: what is your question? |
| 11:17.35 | afsal | is APT pinning is safe? |
| 11:17.42 | Gear_ | I did install debian, I got frustrated and deleted it |
| 11:17.57 | jelly-home | afsal: it can be problematic and generate unexpected results. |
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| 11:18.05 | arcke | getting frustrated is always a abad idea |
| 11:18.14 | Gear_ | it is, but I gave it several days |
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| 11:19.39 | afsal | Gear_: actually what's your problem? |
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| 11:20.45 | arcke | CampinSam: is that your sister? |
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| 11:21.06 | arcke | *Camellia21 i mean |
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| 11:24.12 | mjt | was it spam? the empty lines? :) |
| 11:24.17 | mjt | (but ok) |
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| 11:24.42 | babilen | mjt: ##comment-on-spam please |
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| 11:25.06 | format_c | it was an undesired message, though w/o any information |
| 11:25.23 | babilen | Please, take it to the aforementioned channel if you want to discuss this |
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| 11:26.10 | format_c | babilen, haven't thought there is a channel for this :-) |
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| 11:29.22 | afsal | is there any good method to install latest packages in 'stable' debian, rather than apt pinning method? |
| 11:29.47 | babilen | afsal: pinning (or rather the implied mixing of releases) is not a good method at all. |
| 11:30.14 | formorer | backport(s.debian.org) |
| 11:30.25 | skribblezatcha | afsal, if you were going to do that..you may as well just run jessie. |
| 11:30.37 | babilen | afsal: You would typically install newer versions of software from <backports> and, in particular, <wheezy-backports> for wheezy. If there is no backport already you might be able to create one yourself by following <ssb> -- /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 11:31.40 | babilen | afsal: And yes, you might want to consider tracking a testing/unstable mix (with default release set to testing) as detailed in <tum> or unstable. Please read the <sidfaq> before deciding to do that. |
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| 11:32.46 | afsal | manually download latest packages from ftp.debian.org is safe? |
| 11:32.49 | babilen | afsal: It really depends on your wishes, familiarity with Debian and its packaging system and the amount of time you are willing to invest in learning and administrating your system. There simply is no free lunch and new software also means "untested" software and fancy new and interesting bugs. |
| 11:33.04 | formorer | afsal: no. |
| 11:33.07 | Mikaela | Is it known issue that http://http.debian.net/debian-backports/ is only delivering mirrors which don't have backports for later releases than Wheezy for Finnish users? |
| 11:33.31 | babilen | afsal: No, it is not. You have all the problems as if you mix releases and none of the benefits of having access to a properly configured repository. |
| 11:33.37 | formorer | Mikaela: from wheezy on debian-backports/ is obsolete |
| 11:33.46 | formorer | Mikaela: it is included in every debian/ mirror then |
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| 11:34.06 | afsal | then upgrading to jessie is safe? |
| 11:34.08 | babilen | Mikaela: You want "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free" not /debian-backports/ |
| 11:34.09 | Mikaela | formorer: I have missed that. Where can I find the new backports if they exist? |
| 11:34.15 | babilen | afsal: Define safe |
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| 11:34.33 | Mikaela | Oh, I see, thanks :) |
| 11:34.33 | formorer | Mikaela: on every full debian mirror |
| 11:34.49 | afsal | i like to give some contributions to debian, by testing |
| 11:34.50 | formorer | Mikaela: just replace http.debian.net/debian-backports with http.debian.net/debian |
| 11:34.54 | babilen | afsal: Have you read the sidfaq already? I would also recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html |
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| 11:36.58 | Gear_ | can someone please check for me if "mypaint" and "krita" are in a kde debian repository list |
| 11:37.07 | Gear_ | if they're just in there |
| 11:37.22 | Gear_ | they should in theory work, debian being "the most stable" |
| 11:37.24 | formorer | there is no kde debian repository list. and you are free to check packages.debian.org on your own. |
| 11:37.27 | jelly-home | Gear_: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 11:37.39 | afsal | babilen: you mean this http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html ? |
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| 11:38.24 | babilen | afsal: I included various links to our bots database in the messages I send you earlier. I am referring to <sidfaq> and you can ask the bot with "/msg dpkg sidfaq" |
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| 11:39.51 | afsal | babilen: oh.. thanks |
| 11:40.14 | babilen | afsal: But yeah, wooledge's FAQ is more or less what I was referring to. (There is one on wiki.debian.org that might be more up-to-date, but I haven't checked that) |
| 11:40.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell Gear_ -about search |
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| 11:41.05 | babilen | judd: v mypaint |
| 11:41.06 | judd | Package: mypaint on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.2-1.1; wheezy: 1.0.0-1; jessie: 1.1.0-3; sid: 1.1.0-3 |
| 11:41.09 | babilen | judd: v krita |
| 11:41.10 | judd | Package: krita on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.2.1-4; wheezy: 1:2.4.4-3; jessie: 1:2.7.5-1+b5; sid: 1:2.7.5-1+b5 |
| 11:41.21 | Gear_ | x64 ? |
| 11:41.21 | babilen | Gear_: ^^^ (/msg judd v PACKAGE) |
| 11:41.48 | afsal | babilen: bot says it don't know abot sidfaq... |
| 11:41.52 | babilen | Gear_: That too, see http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ for how to select a different architecture) |
| 11:42.17 | babilen | afsal: Ah, it is <sid faq>. Sorry about that. |
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| 11:49.52 | sandman13 | who are the targeted users of Debian Testing? |
| 11:50.22 | themill | sandman13: people who can test and help improve the next release of Debian |
| 11:51.14 | afsal | themill: how to upgrade from wheezy to testing ? |
| 11:51.20 | sandman13 | themill: that implies running Testing requires some skills |
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| 11:52.21 | sandman13 | afsal: editing sources.list, replacing 'wheezy' with 'testing', apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:52.25 | themill | sandman13: it can do, yes. testing is called testing for a reason |
| 11:52.49 | Gear_ | ok, screw debian, thankyou for the help |
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| 11:53.12 | sandman13 | Gear_ installs Ubuntu |
| 11:53.38 | afsal | themill: is it jessie? |
| 11:53.55 | afsal | then why not calling jessie |
| 11:53.56 | sandman13 | afsal: yes Jessie is in testing right now |
| 11:54.13 | afsal | :) |
| 11:54.14 | themill | afsal: jessie is currently the testing release, yes. In a bit under a year, it won't be testing any longer. |
| 11:54.14 | afsal | ok... |
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| 11:55.41 | sandman13 | themill: I tried Testing but within 3 hours I was back installing Stable felt like I was doing some sort of mistake |
| 11:57.02 | themill | the testing release is for people who have the time and experience to cope with that |
| 11:57.54 | afsal | sandman13: most important thing is to keep in mind that you are participating in the development of Debian when you are tracking testing |
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| 11:58.15 | sandman13 | afsal: I would love to do that |
| 11:58.39 | afsal | sandman13: then go with jessie :-)... |
| 11:58.57 | sandman13 | afsal: I don't have the skills to cope with bugs |
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| 12:00.06 | sandman13 | else I would have been running Testing not Stable plus security in Testing worries me |
| 12:00.38 | afsal | sandman13: if you can handle her, she is cute... otherwise vampire |
| 12:01.16 | sandman13 | that applies for whole Linux distros afsal |
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| 12:02.39 | afsal | yeah.. |
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| 12:24.28 | Metaleer | Hm, does logcheck dynamically synch to the configuration file? I can't seem to find any daemon to restart to make it read the new conf. |
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| 12:29.51 | format_c | Metaleer, logcheck is based on cron. So it's triggered externally and reads the configuration file when it's triggered. |
| 12:30.08 | Metaleer | format_c: I see; and I guess by default that's every hour, iirc |
| 12:30.29 | format_c | Check afsal |
| 12:30.30 | Metaleer | I thought it was a 'lurking' daemon that always stayed in the background. |
| 12:30.37 | format_c | sorry I mean /etc/cron.d/logcheck |
| 12:30.48 | digdilem | more usually daily, i would think |
| 12:31.00 | digdilem | bicbw, can't find it in my /etc/cron.daily |
| 12:31.01 | Metaleer | No -- my e-mail inbox got a message every hour. |
| 12:31.12 | Metaleer | I mean, I guess I could change that. |
| 12:31.13 | digdilem | k, I'm wrong. Not the first time. |
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| 12:35.51 | Metaleer | format_c: heh, yes, it's there. |
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| 12:37.58 | format_c | I mean when you open it, you should see the classical cron syntax where you can change the interval it's being triggered. |
| 12:38.05 | themill | ,file cron*logcheck |
| 12:38.08 | judd | Search for cron*logcheck in wheezy/i386: logcheck: etc/cron.d/logcheck |
| 12:38.45 | Anarch | Is there something I can type on the boot command line equivalent to telling the framebuffer to not set the font? I know how to do this with console-setup, but I want to do it for an out-of-the-box livecd without needing to install kbd onto the livecd (because doing so is slow, and the kernel font is find). |
| 12:39.33 | Metaleer | format_c: I guess it's time to learn cron syntax. :> |
| 12:39.38 | Metaleer | gets his hands dirty. |
| 12:40.26 | format_c | Metaleer, man 5 crontab |
| 12:40.41 | Metaleer | Thanks. |
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| 12:48.05 | springor | how to resolve the exec format error? when I run the docker command "docker run learn/tutorial /bin/bash" on jessie debian, I got the "exec format error" message, any body help? |
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| 12:51.41 | jelly-home | springor: that typically means you're trying to run a 32bit binary on a 64bit system, or vice versa |
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| 12:52.45 | jelly-home | springor: what does "file $(readlink -f $(which docker))" say? |
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| 12:54.28 | springor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:54.54 | jelly-home | springor: and is your installation 32- or 64-bit? |
| 12:55.33 | Metaleer | Heh, cron syntax is pretty convoluted at first glance. |
| 12:55.39 | Metaleer | But you can tell it's very flexible. |
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| 12:55.57 | jelly-home | it may be flexible but the parser is crap |
| 12:56.05 | Metaleer | Heh. |
| 12:56.10 | L0aD1nG | Hello everyone! |
| 12:56.16 | Metaleer | Hi. :-) |
| 12:56.23 | jelly-home | forgot that tail \n ? No error, job just does not run |
| 12:56.33 | Metaleer | jelly-home: Ah, I see. |
| 12:56.40 | L0aD1nG | Is everyone using debian linux on that channel? |
| 12:57.06 | Metaleer | Yes and no; not on my home PC, but I have Debian wheezy on two VPS's I have root access to. |
| 12:57.08 | jelly-home | L0aD1nG: some are hopeful future users -- that's who the channel is for |
| 12:57.29 | L0aD1nG | Thank God i found a channel like that |
| 12:57.31 | L0aD1nG | this* |
| 12:57.49 | L0aD1nG | i am on a Microsoft handled country like 99% microsoft users :D |
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| 12:58.06 | jasabella | hi |
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| 12:58.51 | L0aD1nG | So i have a question to ask just to warm up as its my first time on the channel... |
| 12:58.58 | jasabella | is the "standard system utilities" task to attain posix compatibility or is there a more basic package i can install? |
| 12:59.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell jasabella about standard |
| 12:59.51 | themill | jasabella: the standard system is the collection of things that you'd expect to find on a unix-like machine (things like less). It's optional but highly recommended. |
| 13:00.07 | babilen | jasabella: You don't have to install that task if you don't want to, but it contains tools that you want to have on most machines |
| 13:00.43 | jasabella | i find they install too much :) |
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| 13:02.29 | L0aD1nG | When i am shuting down the machine after many ours (laptop with Debian 7 "wheezy") it normally should be shat on like 3-4 seconds...sometimes (most) it stack on "Asking all remaining processes to stop" |
| 13:02.45 | L0aD1nG | Then it gives something like an error about couldnt stop tcpbind |
| 13:02.48 | babilen | jasabella: Well, then suit yourself and install whatever *you* want to have. It is your system after all :) |
| 13:02.51 | themill | jasabella: about the only thing from the standard task I don't have installed anyway is exim (I'd replace that with dma). |
| 13:03.11 | L0aD1nG | *rpcbind |
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| 13:03.24 | L0aD1nG | and some more things...printed out like a tree |
| 13:03.25 | springor | jelly-home it's 32bit |
| 13:04.13 | L0aD1nG | i cant really read them all cause after that it shuts down like in 1 second and i cant capture a ss too anyone have any idea its the only thing i am leaving unsolved on my system for much time now ?? |
| 13:04.26 | jelly-home | springor: just to confirm, "dpkg --print-architecture" should say i386... Is that the case? |
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| 13:05.29 | springor | jelly-home yes, it say i386 |
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| 13:05.58 | L0aD1nG | anyone have some ideas about what i talked above :/ ? |
| 13:06.00 | Savannah21 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:06.15 | jelly-home | springor: no idea then, that /usr/bin/docker executable ought to run (or give a different error) |
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| 13:08.06 | springor | jelly-home dose Docker run only on 64bin machine? |
| 13:08.33 | jelly-home | springor: I have no idea. How did you install it? |
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| 13:09.13 | L0aD1nG | Is there anyway i stop that messages about who enter/quit the chat? |
| 13:09.32 | springor | jelly-home i installed it using "apt-get install docker.io" |
| 13:09.36 | jelly-home | L0aD1nG: which irc client are you using? |
| 13:09.44 | L0aD1nG | i am in with pidgin |
| 13:09.50 | jelly-home | ,v docker.io |
| 13:09.51 | judd | Package: docker.io on i386 -- jessie: 1.0.0~dfsg1-1; sid: 1.0.0~dfsg1-1 |
| 13:09.56 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Depends on your client, but most allow you to filter joins/parts/quits |
| 13:09.59 | L0aD1nG | as its updated on debian repos always |
| 13:10.11 | L0aD1nG | hmmm |
| 13:10.16 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Not sure about pidgin (which isn't a very good client), but it might do that too |
| 13:10.18 | L0aD1nG | i will look over it after |
| 13:10.31 | L0aD1nG | why its not very good |
| 13:10.38 | L0aD1nG | i heard that its much safe! |
| 13:11.03 | jelly-home | springor: does running just "docker" produce different output? |
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| 13:11.43 | babilen | L0aD1nG: It seems to not provide many functions you would find in a dedicated IRC client. But I haven't looked at it in ages and this isn't really on-topic here either :) |
| 13:12.14 | jelly-home | springor: apt-cache show docker.io says, among other things, "This package contains the daemon and client. Using docker.io on non-amd64 hosts is not supported at this time. Please be careful when using it on anything besides amd64." |
| 13:12.19 | L0aD1nG | yea it isnt :P |
| 13:12.42 | L0aD1nG | babilen : what do you use m8 ? |
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| 13:13.18 | jelly-home | springor: so... it's built for i386 but apparently does not work there (yet). Now you know! |
| 13:13.54 | jelly-home | springor: that's debian testing and/or unstable for you |
| 13:13.55 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Apart from that: The messages you see happen once every now and then and we would have to see the process tree to make guesses as to what causes this problem. |
| 13:14.35 | L0aD1nG | babilen : Thats what i thought in the begining too |
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| 13:14.53 | L0aD1nG | babilen : but at last the messages appear to be the same everytime i shut it down... |
| 13:14.54 | babilen | L0aD1nG: I use irssi, but clients that I would look into comprise: irssi, weechat, quassel, konversation, xchat, hexchat, ... |
| 13:14.55 | springor | jelly-home the same error massage, i am using testing debian |
| 13:15.27 | babilen | L0aD1nG: All I am saying is that it is hard to debug this problem without seeing those messages in their entirety |
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| 13:15.38 | jelly-home | springor: the Description tells the truth, then |
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| 13:16.47 | L0aD1nG | babilen : i will try to write them down manually but...shouldnt they be on /var dir man? i mean to exist there separetly ? |
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| 13:18.11 | springor | jelly-home thank you! |
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| 13:20.34 | Walex | as to IRC clients, i also like the one that is implemented as a Firefox extension, called "ChatZilla". The integration with Firefox gives some nice advantages and it is simple to use |
| 13:21.01 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Well, obviously some process failed to shutdown withing the alloted time and is therefore being killed. That might be caused by stale NFS handles and all sort of other things. You might try to experiment by manually stopping each of the listed processes before and then check if that still prevents the system from shutting down cleanly (e.g. I've seen this happen with tracker (filesystem indexer) before) |
| 13:22.27 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Did you mount NFS filesystems? |
| 13:22.52 | L0aD1nG | babilen : no man i have only debian installed |
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| 13:24.06 | L0aD1nG | babilen: but rpcbind is a default program that handles either wifi/ethernet or something and touching it manual maybe cause me problems...or not? what do you think? By the way the rpcbind proves to be the main problem as the other processes are subprocesses of rpcbind as the tree diagram is showing me |
| 13:24.09 | babilen | L0aD1nG: I would only be able to guess which process causes this problem. |
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| 13:24.30 | L0aD1nG | babilen : its rpcbind for sure |
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| 13:25.27 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Unlikely as it is most likely the service that *uses* RPC. Seriously, shut it down take picture and post it to imgur to show us the message in its entirety. |
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| 13:26.06 | babilen | (feel free to remove/purge rpcbind or disable the service -- /msg dpkg disable service -- you will see what is unhappy about it pretty soon) |
| 13:26.12 | L0aD1nG | babilen : Sure...but how can i take a ss when the pc is Shuting down m8 :D ? |
| 13:26.53 | babilen | L0aD1nG: You don't have a camera or a smartphone? |
| 13:26.59 | L0aD1nG | babilen : disabling that will cause me massive problems on network handling i bet |
| 13:27.12 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Why do you think so? |
| 13:27.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell L0aD1nG about rpcbind |
| 13:27.22 | babilen | :( |
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| 13:27.33 | L0aD1nG | babilen : no no smartphone i think its insecure and no camera as "no money no honey" :-? |
| 13:27.41 | L0aD1nG | :-/ |
| 13:28.23 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Well, the remove/purge the rpcbind package and see what other packages will be removed when you do that. I would guess that the offender is among them. Or disable the service and see what complains about that. |
| 13:28.31 | L0aD1nG | babilen : its a default debian program that handles something about networks....purging it probably will cause problems...no? |
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| 13:29.08 | formorer | L0aD1nG: it handles some very special things about networks. unless you use nfs it is likely you wouldn't notice its absence |
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| 13:29.30 | L0aD1nG | babilen : i dont use nfs for sure m8 |
| 13:29.31 | babilen | L0aD1nG: No, it won't. It is a fairly specific piece of software that is being used by, for example, NFS to make RPC calls .. |
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| 13:30.28 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Why don't you try it? I mean you can either provide is with the *exact* error message or test it some other way. We established that, short of you typing it all, you have no means to do the former so why don't you do the latter? |
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| 13:30.43 | L0aD1nG | babilen : Ohh i thought of nfs wrong..i dont know i maybe use nfs not sure enough to tell sorry. |
| 13:30.50 | smj | I installed vim-scripts, but I can't access the themes it includes |
| 13:31.02 | smj | :colorscheme can't find tem |
| 13:31.03 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Well, run "mount" and show us the output of that. |
| 13:31.08 | formorer | L0aD1nG: do you use remote filesystems from a unix fileserver? |
| 13:31.16 | smj | *them |
| 13:31.21 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Paste the output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 13:31.51 | L0aD1nG | formorer : I use to connect via teamviewer to my pc so i can hear music from real sound-system ... |
| 13:31.58 | formorer | L0aD1nG: thats not nfs. |
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| 13:33.50 | L0aD1nG | babilen : there you go bro --> http://paste.debian.net/106243/ |
| 13:33.55 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Please run the following two commands and paste their output to http://paste.debian.net : "mount" and "apt-get -s purge rpcbind" |
| 13:34.00 | formorer | L0aD1nG: you can't use nfs by accident |
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| 13:34.27 | L0aD1nG | babilen : i posted the mount on check it out |
| 13:34.41 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Yes, click "Paste as new" and add the output of the second command. |
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| 13:36.02 | DanielI | lol |
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| 13:36.28 | jasabell1 | are there any system "things" which email you rather than write to the log that i have to set up if i want things written to the log? |
| 13:36.35 | L0aD1nG | babilen : i did the second command too http://paste.debian.net/106244/ |
| 13:36.36 | jasabell1 | syslog |
| 13:36.49 | L0aD1nG | babilen : thanks for learning me what -s args on aptitude does :D |
| 13:36.58 | L0aD1nG | babilen : didnt know that GZ |
| 13:37.12 | formorer | as expected only nfs-common. so I would again say that you are safe to remove it |
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| 13:37.32 | tcurtis | For the Sugar desktop, the Debian wiki states that most of Glucose (the desktop) is present as packages, but missing most of Fructose (the apps). Why is that? Are there technical reasons or is it a question of manpower? |
| 13:37.36 | babilen | L0aD1nG: I asked you to use apt-get, but fair enough. Given that you don't use NFS you might just want to purge rpcbind and nfs-common. |
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| 13:38.39 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Please note that you cannot always replace apt-get with aptitude (and vice versa) in commands we tell you to run and doing so may, in fact, have an adverse effect on your system or simply not achieve the desired effect. |
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| 13:40.26 | L0aD1nG | babilen : sec man a stupid bee is in here i am on attack |
| 13:41.24 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Take your time |
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| 13:42.56 | jpinx | SynrGy: was it you telling me how to run a later version of wine in wheezy ? |
| 13:43.32 | L0aD1nG | babilen : man the results i pasted was from apt-get but because i mostly use aptitude i checked on manual about the -s args and if it does the same on the reactions |
| 13:43.59 | SynrGy | jpinx: aside from backports, i wouldn't know how |
| 13:44.02 | L0aD1nG | babilen : thats why i said that...not cause i changed your desired command to execute :D |
| 13:44.04 | SynrGy | ,v wine |
| 13:44.06 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-8; sid: 1.6.2-8 |
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| 13:44.11 | SynrGy | doesn't seem to be one |
| 13:44.20 | jpinx | SynrGy: nothing in Bports |
| 13:44.22 | L0aD1nG | babilen : so you think removing rpcbind wont cause me any trouble sir? |
| 13:44.28 | SynrGy | ,v wine-unstable |
| 13:44.31 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.7.20-1 |
| 13:44.36 | SynrGy | and nothing there for stable |
| 13:44.38 | jpinx | and there's no ssb option |
| 13:44.40 | SynrGy | nope |
| 13:44.49 | jpinx | bummer.... |
| 13:44.53 | SynrGy | i'm running wine strictly on sid |
| 13:45.06 | SynrGy | 1.6 meets all our needs |
| 13:45.29 | jpinx | I was hoping to run a rather messy messenger windows thing without using a vbox |
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| 13:46.11 | jpinx | SynrGy: wine is a bit strange about installing things ( to my mind) |
| 13:46.46 | jpinx | SynrGy: anyway - tfl - I'll plod on here,,,, |
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| 13:49.24 | L0aD1nG | Found pidgin plug-in to hide join/left messages :D |
| 13:49.43 | Geraldus | Hi everybody! |
| 13:49.50 | L0aD1nG | hello sir |
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| 13:50.38 | dvs | Hi Dr. Nick! |
| 13:50.59 | Geraldus | I have issue with my debian 7 running under XEN VPS, I want to add user, but I have no `useradd` or `adduser` executables. What’s the trick? `apt-get install adduser` says me that it is already installed. |
| 13:51.26 | jpinx | Geraldus: do it as root |
| 13:51.34 | L0aD1nG | geraldus : as root ofc right? |
| 13:51.40 | Geraldus | jpinx: I have only root access for now |
| 13:51.46 | L0aD1nG | jpinx : lol you got me |
| 13:52.02 | jpinx | L0aD1nG: :P |
| 13:52.05 | Geraldus | ))) |
| 13:52.24 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Haven't we established already that purging rpcbind won't cause you any trouble *iff* you don't plan to use NFS? |
| 13:52.41 | jpinx | Geraldus: check with your VPS supplier that you can do it |
| 13:52.54 | Geraldus | jpinx: Ok |
| 13:53.21 | L0aD1nG | babilen : What is nfs used for...is used for Virtual box or something? |
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| 13:53.42 | Geraldus | LOL! I have both adduser and useradd after reboot ))) |
| 13:53.50 | Geraldus | Is weird stuff |
| 13:53.55 | Geraldus | *It's |
| 13:54.00 | jpinx | Geraldus: spooky :) |
| 13:54.11 | L0aD1nG | geraldus : you are done now dont complain :D enjoy DEBIAN! |
| 13:54.19 | formorer | LordDeath: for mounting remote filesystems. |
| 13:54.30 | jpinx | Geraldus: now makea user for logging in and disable root logins |
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| 13:55.00 | L0aD1nG | formorer : you spoke to me right? |
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| 13:55.12 | formorer | yes sorry |
| 13:55.13 | jpinx | Geraldus: remote root logins are a favourite hunting ground for bad boys ;) |
| 13:55.21 | Posterdati | hi |
| 13:55.24 | L0aD1nG | formorer : haha its no problem man |
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| 13:55.38 | Posterdati | which is the best hardware platform to run linux? |
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| 13:55.48 | formorer | amd64 |
| 13:55.48 | L0aD1nG | i will purge it the fuck off and i will rebooot |
| 13:55.53 | L0aD1nG | brb people |
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| 13:55.59 | IonCannon218 | that reminds me, i need to setup sudo on my VMs |
| 13:56.09 | Posterdati | amd64 on intel cpus? |
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| 13:56.15 | IonCannon218 | Posterdati: yes |
| 13:56.30 | Posterdati | i7? |
| 13:56.32 | formorer | Posterdati: intel just copied amd64 and called it emt64. it is the same. |
| 13:56.35 | centrx | Posterdati, amd64 is certainly the most common, so it ends up having the best hardware support and so forth, but Linux works well on many architectures. |
| 13:57.11 | centrx | Posterdati, Debian supports eleven architectures which are well-tested and have theoretically equal status. |
| 13:57.43 | Posterdati | I'm currently running wheezy on dual core amd64 (AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+) |
| 13:57.53 | Geraldus | jpinx: I believe it is :D |
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| 13:58.09 | Posterdati | and I need to update this hardware very soon |
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| 13:58.23 | abrotman | yeah, so slow .. |
| 13:58.37 | abrotman | Posterdati: So what are you actually asking us? |
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| 13:59.13 | Posterdati | which is the fastest hardware to run linux? |
| 13:59.37 | L0aD1nG | Done now i take the same error for one more thing lol but the massive tree errors gone |
| 13:59.41 | Posterdati | amd or intel processors? |
| 13:59.42 | formorer | Posterdati: what is the fastest hardware to run windows? |
| 13:59.52 | L0aD1nG | i think now its about rsysload or rsyslog something like that |
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| 13:59.59 | formorer | I would say there is no big difference. |
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| 14:00.34 | Posterdati | formorer: I don't know, I don' |
| 14:00.36 | babilen | L0aD1nG: So it obviously wasn't rpcbind causing the actual problem and we are at square one again. |
| 14:00.39 | Posterdati | t use windows |
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| 14:00.57 | Posterdati | formorer: I don't know, I don't use windows |
| 14:01.10 | IonCannon218 | formorer: that really depends on what your workload is |
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| 14:01.40 | Posterdati | I need a cpu very fast on numerical jobs |
| 14:01.43 | formorer | IonCannon218: don't tell that me. |
| 14:01.46 | abrotman | So get a fast CPU |
| 14:01.48 | IonCannon218 | Intel have better cores while amd is more cores |
| 14:01.48 | centrx | Posterdati, Try ##hardware |
| 14:01.58 | formorer | Posterdati: nowadays the most numeric jobs are done in gpus |
| 14:03.14 | L0aD1nG | babilen : No it was...i told you the most errors of the tree output have gone now |
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| 14:03.23 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello guys , nice morning all :) |
| 14:03.26 | L0aD1nG | babilen : i will search for that rsyslog |
| 14:03.28 | Posterdati | I do not thrust web benchmarks :) |
| 14:03.40 | IonCannon218 | formorer: oh wrong person lol |
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| 14:04.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell L0aD1nG about rsyslog |
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| 14:04.33 | babilen | L0aD1nG: IOW: I wouldn't necessarily remove that. |
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| 14:08.28 | L0aD1nG | babilen : i wont remove it |
| 14:09.26 | L0aD1nG | babilen : the time that i w8 for rsyslog to be killed is like 1/8 from what i ve been w8ing for that plus rpcbind so its np now |
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| 14:09.53 | L0aD1nG | babilen : the only problem is that is pretended like an error and i dont like that lol |
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| 14:11.09 | L0aD1nG | babilen : It just fails to be killed on time and it force it to.And that is printed like error on tree view after "Asking all remaining processes to terminate " |
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| 14:17.20 | L0aD1nG | Anybody knows when Debian "jessie" 8 coming out? |
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| 14:17.57 | dvs | !wwjr |
| 14:17.58 | dpkg | I have no idea when Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will release -- when it's ready, I guess, but I do know about the <jessie freeze>. For user contributed guesses on when it will release, ask me about <jessie pool 1>. See also <release goals>, <wir>. |
| 14:19.28 | L0aD1nG | okay thank you |
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| 14:29.12 | SynrGy | jpinx: the helper scripts make it tolerable. there was winetricks with the old version. i think with the new, there's something that replaces it that's more automatic. |
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| 14:30.07 | SynrGy | jpinx: for instance, some missing stuff to run Adobe Digital Editions (an important component to 'liberating' some e-books) was automatically detected and installed under the new version the first time i ran it. |
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| 14:31.42 | Pudgetta | Hello. |
| 14:32.51 | ompaul | !ask |
| 14:32.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:33.00 | Pudgetta | I am running a live cd off of a usb drive and I have 30GB left on the USB, can I install this OS onto the rest of the drive? I don't want it to be the "live" kind. |
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| 14:36.02 | ompaul | Pudgetta: if this is what you downloaded then I believe you can. However the installer "netinstall" cd is the suggested fashion it gives the most options. https://www.debian.org/CD/live/#live-install-stable |
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| 14:37.42 | Pudgetta | ompaul this coputer does not have a hard drive |
| 14:37.51 | Pudgetta | only the USB key |
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| 14:40.57 | ompaul | Pudgetta: in that case I would say yes you can, but usbkeys are not a source for long term storage |
| 14:41.41 | ompaul | Pudgetta: also the speed of writing to one is VERY slow so this is not going to be a happy experience. |
| 14:43.21 | Pudgetta | You know, this started because I was casually using this usb and then when it came time to apt-get upgrade it said I needed more space, and I understand because the partition here is only 2.4GB. |
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| 14:44.20 | L0aD1nG | anyone knows live-usb installer software for linux dudes? |
| 14:44.59 | DanielI | L0aD1nG, unetbootin |
| 14:45.04 | DanielI | No doubt. |
| 14:45.05 | ompaul | Pudgetta: you might like to look at this: http://www.linux.com/community/blogs/133-general-linux/420179-creating-a-debian-live-usb-flash-drive-with-persistence-for-non-techies its not where I usually point people but it seems sane but that is what I suggest |
| 14:45.08 | ompaul | !unetbootin |
| 14:45.08 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 14:45.14 | DanielI | ^ |
| 14:45.18 | ompaul | WARNING BAD IDEA UNETBOOTIN |
| 14:45.24 | babilen | Pudgetta: You can install from Debian Live, but I am not sure how to do that to be honest. |
| 14:45.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell Pudgetta -about usb install |
| 14:45.47 | DanielI | Yes, it does mangle it, but works in most cases. |
| 14:45.50 | L0aD1nG | i have this one installed |
| 14:45.51 | DanielI | There are others as well. |
| 14:46.02 | L0aD1nG | yes i forgot it , i have it allready sorry |
| 14:46.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell Pudgetta -about firmware image |
| 14:46.22 | DanielI | I believe this one called LiLi was ported to Linux. |
| 14:46.48 | L0aD1nG | lili has not a linux version... |
| 14:46.59 | babilen | Pudgetta: I would recommend to use the netinstall image with firmware (if your hardware requires that) to install Debian. You should, however, simply be able to install from the live CD, but I am not sure how to start the installer from there. (I never use that) .. Should be fairly obvious though. |
| 14:47.01 | ompaul | DanielI: it was and is a bad idea - please don't put it about that debian has a nice day with it unless you are going to do 24/7/365 support online for that idea ;-) |
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| 14:48.36 | DanielI | I used this once. http://live.learnfree.eu/ |
| 14:48.43 | babilen | You can just "cp the-image.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (with /dev/sdX being your USB drive and something like /dev/sdb) most live images that I come across these days. |
| 14:48.44 | DanielI | It was.. dissatisfying, but got the job done. |
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| 14:52.28 | L0aD1nG | babilen : if i just cp it will recognise it on boot time man? |
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| 14:59.06 | babilen | L0aD1nG: Copy what? |
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| 14:59.38 | Pudgetta | well this seems like a nice tutorial I'll probably learn a bunch ompaulthanks,ill try it now |
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| 15:01.27 | ompaul | Pudgetta: tbh I would start with a not live image on one key and install a system to the stick - using the full 30gig |
| 15:01.37 | ompaul | but you know what it's all mad |
| 15:01.49 | ompaul | goes back to unbraking a very broken pc |
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| 15:06.29 | L0aD1nG | babilen : nothing about the cp .iso you said i thought was talking to me |
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| 15:06.51 | L0aD1nG | babilen : unetbootin is able to install tails on a usb stick? |
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| 15:07.53 | okee | Any idea why I am showing duplicate sources for my Google Talk Plugin? The results of an updates is http://paste.debian.net/106256/ and my sources.list file is http://paste.debian.net/106257/ |
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| 15:09.50 | ompaul | L0aD1nG: unetbootin is not the way forward |
| 15:09.57 | abrotman | i'ts broken pile of poo |
| 15:10.05 | ompaul | understatement |
| 15:10.45 | ompaul | tails is not debian |
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| 15:12.16 | abrotman | okee: I don't see any source for google talk? apt-cache show <pkgname> |
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| 15:13.15 | okee | abrotman> No, there is no source for Google talk, but both the i386 and AMD64 are in my library, and I am wondering if that is correct. Shouldn't I only have one plugin? |
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| 15:14.03 | abrotman | okee: show us where you see two ... |
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| 15:15.34 | ompaul | !tell L0aD1nG about tails |
| 15:16.04 | L0aD1nG | tails is debian based though |
| 15:16.50 | okee | abrotman> Earlier I pasted the results of an update, and an error message appears during an update, indicating there are duplicate sources.list entry. To make it more clear, the following is a paste of what is on the system: http://paste.debian.net/106258/ |
| 15:17.01 | L0aD1nG | its just not debian so its out of the topic okaaaaaay |
| 15:17.03 | L0aD1nG | :P |
| 15:17.37 | L0aD1nG | is there any more responsible live usb installer program for linux??Anyone knows? |
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| 15:18.11 | lucido | I cloned my debian LVM install with dd to a new larger disk. How can I expand the now incorrect partition table and create and mount a new partition? |
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| 15:20.05 | L0aD1nG | you can create a new partition with the fdisk |
| 15:20.05 | Pudgetta | well that method assumes I possess two drives on the computer, which i don't, [all] i have is the usb drive |
| 15:20.25 | TJ- | lucido: create a partition that uses the additional space, make a PV, add the PV to the VG, and then extend LVs as you waont |
| 15:20.25 | abrotman | okee: right, one is amd64, one is i386 |
| 15:20.57 | jelly-home | lucido: boot from a capable livecd and use parted or fdisk to either resize the existing or recreate a larger partition starting in _exactly_ the same place |
| 15:21.14 | L0aD1nG | *gparted |
| 15:21.21 | jpinx | ,versions wine |
| 15:21.23 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-8; sid: 1.6.2-8 |
| 15:21.25 | okee | abrotman> You didn't answer my question. Can both versions of the Google plugin be resident at the same time? Or do I need to remove one? |
| 15:21.30 | jelly-home | L0aD1nG: since when does gparted support LVM? |
| 15:21.51 | jelly-home | wasn't aware of that |
| 15:22.02 | L0aD1nG | jelly-home : thought you misspelled there is a parted software too? |
| 15:22.16 | abrotman | okee: probably only one can be installed .. try it and see |
| 15:22.18 | jelly-home | L0aD1nG: you thought... incorrectly |
| 15:22.32 | L0aD1nG | jelly-home : okay EAT me! |
| 15:22.45 | jelly-home | you wish |
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| 15:23.09 | L0aD1nG | jelly-home : why should i wish smth like that? |
| 15:23.14 | |oop | mmm jelly |
| 15:24.06 | Pudgetta | can two partions on one usb key considered to be equivalent to two usb keys? |
| 15:25.06 | ompaul | Pudgetta: in some configurations yes |
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| 15:25.59 | ompaul | Pudgetta: seriously if you are planning on more than one distro on a usb stick and choosing between them you are going to spend a lot of time being fed up with it - better to have two sticks |
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| 15:26.19 | ompaul | screams sunday and heads off |
| 15:26.34 | Pudgetta | im running out of sticks ompaul, and im just doing this for fun |
| 15:27.00 | Pudgetta | for fun == to learn as well |
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| 15:31.37 | lucido | TJ-, logical or primary ? |
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| 15:32.41 | TJ- | lucido: If you're using all free space on the drive, and there's room for a primary, then use primary - it doesn't really matter unless you have plans to compartmentalise the device some more later outside of using LVM |
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| 15:36.59 | lucido | TJ-, I tried to create a logical partition and it says: No free sectors available |
| 15:37.28 | lucido | I cloned the disk with dd so maybe the partition table is incorrect |
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| 15:38.46 | lucido | TJ-, here's my fdisk and df output |
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| 15:39.11 | lucido | http://pastebin.com/r9PqjuWL |
| 15:39.16 | TJ- | lucido: If the new disk is larger, there'll be free space after the last partition |
| 15:39.34 | lucido | fdisk says there isnt |
| 15:39.47 | lucido | old was 160G new is 2T |
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| 15:39.53 | TJ- | lucido: If you look at the fdisk output, you'll also see the disk already has an extended partition, so any new partition should be logica |
| 15:40.39 | lucido | TJ-, yes that's why I tried logical but it sayns there is no space |
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| 15:40.47 | lucido | No free sectors available |
| 15:40.50 | TJ- | lucido: That fdisk output is incomplete... where's the output about the disk geometry that comes before the table? |
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| 15:41.30 | lucido | TJ-, sorry, here it is: http://pastebin.com/RcRHadbT |
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| 15:42.31 | lucido | how big is a block? |
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| 15:44.02 | TJ- | lucido: There looks to be a *lot* of free space there. The disk has "total 3907029168 sectors" and the last allocated sector is "312580095" |
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| 15:44.35 | Peleus | Hey all, having issues with ATI drivers in Jessie, tried installing fglrx-drivers but fglrxinfo is giving error messages and I can tell from performance it's not enabled, any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Will supply any info you want. |
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| 15:44.57 | lucido | TJ-, yes, here's the exact command output: http://pastebin.com/kBvckx8L |
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| 15:47.02 | TJ- | lucido: That is weird! |
| 15:47.16 | lucido | TJ-, yes it must be becasue of the dd |
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| 15:48.09 | lucido | I did dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=32M conv=notrunc,noerror where a is 160 the old drive |
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| 15:50.26 | TJ- | lucido: Oh, silly me, I know the issue! You can only create new logicals inside the extended, and it is limited to the size of the original disk! |
| 15:50.40 | lucido | TJ-, ah |
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| 15:52.17 | lucido | TJ-, I used the defaults and this is what it game me, obv wrong: http://pastebin.com/HLGdQ8ph |
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| 15:52.30 | TJ- | lucido: So, what you'd need to do is take a very careful note of the current values (starting sector, number of 1KB blocks), then delete the logical (#5), delete and recreate the extended to use all the disk, then recreate the logical at the same starting sector and for size give it the number of 1KB blocks with "156039168K" (note the K suffix). Then you'd be free to add additional logicals. |
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| 15:53.26 | lucido | TJ-, but this is a live system with sda5 containing the root filesystem |
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| 15:55.47 | RoyK | lucido: if you want to copy a live system to another drive, why don't you just create new filesystems on the new drive and rsync the lot? |
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| 15:56.24 | TJ- | lucido: Ahhh, I didn't realise you were working from the cloned image |
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| 15:58.04 | _2_julie | hello |
| 15:58.07 | _2_julie | anyone here |
| 15:58.11 | _2_julie | im newbie |
| 15:58.33 | TJ- | lucido: OK, so you'll need to do some advanced editing. Instead of deleting the extended you'll need to edit it's ending sector using fdisk's advanced options, which I cannot recall off the top of my head |
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| 16:00.38 | okee | Seems to be a probleml with the Google Talk Plugin in the repos. Both i386 and AMD 64 are installed, instead of one or the other. |
| 16:02.05 | petern_ | "google talk plugin"? |
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| 16:09.21 | lucido | TJ-, stupid error, there was a gap between sda1 and 2 and fdisk offered thet space by default |
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| 16:28.16 | panther_ | hello |
| 16:28.42 | panther_ | is anyone there? |
| 16:28.55 | panther_ | (secondly, do they see this post) |
| 16:29.25 | panther_ | Hello? |
| 16:29.37 | panther_ | Please, I need help with my computer |
| 16:30.00 | panther_ | goodbye |
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| 16:30.27 | bazhang_ | with mint? |
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| 16:32.25 | peterrooney | Here I was thinking I was the impatient one. |
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| 16:34.31 | centrx | Another problem solves itself |
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| 16:37.21 | sandman13 | what do I need to know before I switch to testing? any sort of skills,commands etc.? |
| 16:38.02 | abrotman | Gah .. |
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| 16:38.51 | wjtaylor | I have different workspaces each containing several apps. I want to reorder them, but when I try to move one workspace to reposition it, it only moves the window that I clicked on inside the workspace preview. How do I move the WHOLE workspace? |
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| 16:42.04 | Otyugh | hey |
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| 16:42.22 | Otyugh | genfstab is part of which package ? |
| 16:42.30 | Otyugh | apt-cache search don't display anything about it :s |
| 16:43.43 | `ryban | hello :) |
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| 16:46.51 | jelly-home | Otyugh: if apt-file can't find it, it's not there |
| 16:47.01 | jelly-home | judd: file genfstab |
| 16:47.09 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 16:47.30 | jelly-home | Otyugh: apparently not in debian 7 |
| 16:47.54 | dutchfish | wth, purple tomatoos??? http://www.ebay.com.hk/itm/20pcs-Purple-Tomato-Seeds-Garden-Organic-Fruit-Vegetable-Natural-Plants-Blub-IND-/370948730514?ssPageName=ADME:B:FSEL:HK:1123 |
| 16:48.00 | dutchfish | ooops, sorry |
| 16:48.11 | jelly-home | wjtaylor: you'll probably have to move all the windows from one workspace to another |
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| 16:50.32 | rkpisanu | Hello |
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| 16:51.25 | jpinx | can anyone shed any light on why this loop device refuses to mount ? http://paste.debian.net/106271/ |
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| 16:54.19 | mjt | jpinx: the offset is in what units? :) |
| 16:54.41 | jpinx | blocks |
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| 16:55.12 | mjt | there's no unit named "block" |
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| 16:55.35 | mjt | or, rather, that unit is of undetermined/varied size |
| 16:56.18 | jpinx | :( |
| 16:56.42 | jpinx | ok -- what's the protocol for getting the offset in appropriate units ? |
| 16:57.19 | mjt | ok -- that was a hint for you, I hope you can do you homework from this point on :) |
| 16:57.32 | jpinx | mjt: you can see from the paste that I just used what file gave me |
| 16:57.55 | mjt | yeah, hence my hint |
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| 17:16.30 | jmcnaught | jpinx: from your paste above it looks like you're tring to mount a VB image file, which can't be done because it's not a filesystem (there's one or more somewhere inside it though). You might want to check out libguestfs-tools and guestfish |
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| 17:25.29 | jpinx | [B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B |
| 17:25.40 | mns | how does one get Flash working in Chromium ? |
| 17:25.43 | jpinx | Ooops |
| 17:25.49 | jpinx | jmcnaught: guestfish is a new one :) Tks :) |
| 17:26.29 | centrx | mns, Install the pepper flash plugin in the Debian repository |
| 17:26.50 | mns | centrx: not the adobe one ? |
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| 17:27.52 | centrx | mns, I think you can install either, but the pepper flash one originates from and is extracted out of Google Chrome |
| 17:27.58 | jpinx | jmcnaught: that seems to be ro -- not much use :( |
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| 17:28.11 | centrx | mns, Adobe Flash always has its own problems |
| 17:28.32 | L0aD1nG | what kind of problems? |
| 17:28.40 | jmcnaught | jpinx: i've modified guest images with those tools |
| 17:28.45 | centrx | security is the worst one |
| 17:29.39 | centrx | instability |
| 17:29.55 | centrx | Thankfully I have left Flash far behind |
| 17:30.10 | jpinx | jmcnaught: I wanted to chroot in and do the update/grade without firing up vbox ;) |
| 17:31.06 | jmcnaught | jpinx: ahh.. that might still be possible with those tools but if it is it would be difficult |
| 17:32.01 | jpinx | jmcnaught: I'll fiddle a bit on a copy and see what I break ;) |
| 17:32.34 | jpinx | jmcnaught: I got vdfuse to mount it :) |
| 17:33.45 | okee | Is anyone getting both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of the Google Talk Plugin when installing from the repos? I have both versions installed simultaneously, but would like to delete the i386. |
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| 17:34.21 | jpinx | ,versions vdfuse |
| 17:34.22 | judd | No package named 'vdfuse' was found in i386. |
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| 17:35.05 | centrx | okee, You can use the :i386 in the name to specify which to delete |
| 17:35.10 | jpinx | ,versions virtualboxfuse |
| 17:35.12 | judd | No package named 'virtualboxfuse' was found in i386. |
| 17:35.30 | okee | centrx> Tried that and it didn't work. Would you please provide me the delete command that you recommend? |
| 17:35.31 | jpinx | ,versions virtualbox-fuse |
| 17:35.32 | judd | Package: virtualbox-fuse on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3 |
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| 17:35.48 | josema | hola |
| 17:35.54 | josema | hola chicoz |
| 17:36.07 | centrx | okee, dpkg --purge googletalkwhatever:i386 |
| 17:36.54 | centrx | okee, Sometimes I have found that dependencies want both versions installed and I was unable to uninstall the other in dselect, so it might be similar with dpkg/apt |
| 17:37.08 | jmcnaught | jpinx: you can also "/msg judd", or use https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages to do those kinds of searches |
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| 17:37.41 | okee | centrx> I couldn't uninstall it with apt-get remove --purge |
| 17:38.07 | centrx | It might be something weird with multiarch |
| 17:38.21 | centrx | It still seems to contain some voodoo |
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| 18:16.16 | Geraldus | hey friends! I’ve just created new user in debian 7, switched it to bin/bah. But when I login I have `Cannot execute bin/bash: Permission denied`. Is this (https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/02/msg02519.html) *right* solution for me? |
| 18:16.42 | Wulf | Geraldus: no. |
| 18:16.58 | Wulf | Geraldus: figure out why it's not working first. |
| 18:17.04 | formorer | Geraldus: bin/bash? try /bin/bash |
| 18:17.13 | Geraldus | Hmmm ) |
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| 18:17.31 | Cpuroast | also, isn't the default debian 7 shell |
| 18:17.33 | Cpuroast | already that |
| 18:17.49 | Wulf | he wants "bin/bah", never heard of that shell ;-) |
| 18:17.58 | Geraldus | Yeah! First time i wrote without leading slash. Pity ) |
| 18:18.50 | Geraldus | Cpuroast: Is it wrong to use bash instead of sh? My root is running bash |
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| 18:19.27 | Cpuroast | sh is a symlink to dash |
| 18:19.30 | Cpuroast | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Mar 1 2012 sh -> dash |
| 18:19.33 | Cpuroast | as seen in ls |
| 18:20.02 | IonCannon218 | so it is |
| 18:20.05 | Cpuroast | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Almquist_shell |
| 18:20.07 | Geraldus | By the way switching to bash did not helped me. I can’t even `ls` or `mkdir` by that user. What’s wrong? |
| 18:20.15 | IonCannon218 | interesting |
| 18:20.31 | Cpuroast | as in there is no point to switch the default |
| 18:20.40 | Cpuroast | from sh -> dash, to bash |
| 18:20.42 | IonCannon218 | i always have used bash so i prefer it |
| 18:20.51 | Cpuroast | they are pretty much close to identical |
| 18:21.16 | Geraldus | IonCannon218: me too. I mostly have Gentoo expirience) |
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| 18:22.21 | Cpuroast | as in I really don't see the point of switch from dash to bash |
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| 18:22.38 | IonCannon218 | i tried zsh when playing with arch |
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| 18:22.44 | Cpuroast | zsh, sure |
| 18:22.48 | Cpuroast | it's actually different |
| 18:22.50 | IonCannon218 | it was interesting but diffcult to configure |
| 18:22.56 | Cpuroast | but ash, dash and bash |
| 18:22.59 | Cpuroast | are very close |
| 18:23.00 | IonCannon218 | yeah |
| 18:23.27 | IonCannon218 | i read about the debian way yesterday |
| 18:24.12 | Cpuroast | according to the wiki: |
| 18:24.13 | Cpuroast | The reason for using dash is faster shell script execution,[5] especially during startup of the operating system (compared to Linux distributions using Bash for this purpose). |
| 18:24.13 | IonCannon218 | which would be preferrable, vmware or virtualbox |
| 18:24.26 | Cpuroast | I always liked vmware |
| 18:24.28 | Cpuroast | better |
| 18:24.32 | IonCannon218 | yeah and shit works |
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| 18:24.54 | IonCannon218 | but not free unless you're a college student |
| 18:25.16 | Geraldus | Cpuroast: thanks, interesting article )( |
| 18:25.24 | Cpuroast | Geraldus: so essentially, switching from dash to bash |
| 18:25.24 | Geraldus | :) |
| 18:25.28 | Cpuroast | is a waste of time |
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| 18:25.38 | gringre | !list |
| 18:25.38 | dpkg | gringre: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.5.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 18:25.41 | Cpuroast | it falls into the if it ain't broke, don't fix it category |
| 18:26.05 | IonCannon218 | how do i know what shell i'm using from within that shell |
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| 18:26.51 | IonCannon218 | wow i'm actually getting 1MB/s |
| 18:27.08 | relaxed | echo $SHELL |
| 18:27.12 | Geraldus | Cpuroast: I use terminal a lot, so I configured color highlight with bash |
| 18:27.18 | IonCannon218 | figures |
| 18:27.33 | IonCannon218 | comcast gave this CDN higher access |
| 18:27.47 | Cpuroast | Geraldus: if you do echo $SHELL |
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| 18:27.55 | Geraldus | This relaxes my eyes a lot, so the execution speed is less valuable) |
| 18:27.59 | Cpuroast | I bet you get bash in a default Debian install |
| 18:28.20 | Cpuroast | and there is nothing stopping you from configuring colors with DASH |
| 18:28.26 | IonCannon218 | one thing i love about VMs |
| 18:28.41 | IonCannon218 | you can just snapshot it then break it horribly then try to fix it. even if you fail you can easily undo |
| 18:28.57 | Geraldus | Cpuroast: yes root user was on bash out of box |
| 18:28.57 | Cpuroast | echo $(ls -l /proc/$$/exe | sed 's%.*/%%') |
| 18:29.22 | Cpuroast | will do it too |
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| 18:29.58 | Geraldus | What about that I can’t do nothing by my newly created user, even `ls` or `mkdir` (command not found) in both dash and bash? |
| 18:30.05 | Cpuroast | so I don't understand the need to change the shell at all in debian |
| 18:30.08 | Cpuroast | unless you want zsh |
| 18:30.23 | Cpuroast | I suspect it's not even launching the shell |
| 18:30.25 | OpenTokix | Cpuroast: what is your $PATH ? |
| 18:30.43 | Cpuroast | OpenTokix: that's for Geraldus |
| 18:31.02 | OpenTokix | oh, sorry |
| 18:31.08 | OpenTokix | Geraldus: what is your $PATH + |
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| 18:31.21 | Geraldus | OpenTokix: wait a bit ) |
| 18:31.44 | Geraldus | Oh… )) /root/.cabal/bin:$PATH |
| 18:31.59 | Geraldus | $PATH does not interpolates ( |
| 18:32.01 | OpenTokix | Geraldus: I am guessing your dont have ls in /root/.cabal/bin |
| 18:32.02 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 18:32.21 | OpenTokix | Geraldus: its: export PATH=$PATH:/root/.cabal/bin |
| 18:32.28 | Geraldus | OpenTokix: I’m planning to move it, that’s why I’ve created user ))) |
| 18:32.40 | IonCannon218 | wow |
| 18:32.47 | IonCannon218 | the wiki page on Vmware is very outdated |
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| 18:33.16 | Geraldus | Thanks friends! ) |
| 18:33.17 | OpenTokix | Geraldus: so what is /root/.cabal/bin ? <-- that sounds like a dumb place for the new user |
| 18:33.21 | IonCannon218 | no mention of wheezy |
| 18:34.11 | Geraldus | OpenTokix: Now, I’m using Haskell, so it is the dir where new haskell executabales store. I should reinstall this, to have something ~/.cabal/bin |
| 18:34.31 | OpenTokix | Geraldus: ok |
| 18:34.39 | Geraldus | OpenTokix: Thank you! |
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| 18:35.10 | OpenTokix | yw |
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| 18:36.28 | IonCannon218 | interesting, linux installer of vmware workstation is more informative |
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| 18:42.32 | Cpuroast | Geraldus: yah, should always be in the user's home folder |
| 18:43.16 | Geraldus | Cpuroast: first time I’ve run `cabal install cabal-install` as root, so got this PATH ) |
| 18:43.30 | Cpuroast | lol |
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| 18:59.09 | IonCannon218 | to switch from wheezy stable to testing so i put in jessie or testing in the sources.lst |
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| 18:59.55 | zykotick9 | IonCannon218: it's good practise to use the codename, over "testing". for when things switch. |
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| 19:00.53 | IonCannon218 | from what i can understand, using jessie will stay on jessie branch through the full life while testing will switch to the next new one as jessie is released |
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| 19:01.48 | IonCannon218 | after pulling the new packages data, do i use dist-upgrade |
| 19:02.11 | ctmjr | are you sure your ready for testing? |
| 19:02.17 | IonCannon218 | i'm testing in a vm |
| 19:02.19 | zykotick9 | !tell IonCannon218 about wheezy->jessie |
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| 19:28.14 | ummk | Hi, I have a bash script(loop) in my /etc/init.d/ now I've done some modifications to it. What is the best way to "reload" it without reboot? |
| 19:28.34 | ummk | First I need to find it and kill the process, how? It does not show in top, maybe it shows as anything else than file name? |
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| 19:30.52 | format_c | ummk, in init.d there should only be scripts located that comply to the insserv standard. If you script complies to it, it solves exactly that problem so that you should be able to reload it by utilizing "service loop restart" |
| 19:30.52 | L0aD1nG | ummk : kill `pgrep <name of the script>` |
| 19:31.19 | L0aD1nG | ummk : if it still runs try that as root dude |
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| 19:33.23 | babilen | L0aD1nG, ummk: You can just use pkill in the first place |
| 19:33.51 | ummk | what if I want to start it in the background? |
| 19:34.02 | ummk | service loop start starts in current terminal |
| 19:34.29 | format_c | ummk, that depends on the way you wrote your script. |
| 19:34.51 | ummk | guess I have to reboot then ^^ |
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| 19:35.33 | format_c | If you script in requires that it may be the best solution. However, it's quite unusual. |
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| 19:37.00 | ummk | my script just issues an infinite loop |
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| 19:39.33 | format_c | OK that's not the intension of scripts in init.d. They're intended to control a daemon/background process thorugh this script. Your script seem to be the main program. |
| 19:40.29 | format_c | Check rc.local |
| 19:41.04 | L0aD1nG | babilen : Didnt knew that you own me... >:o |
| 19:42.08 | format_c | Store your script somewhere else. Maybe /usr/local/bin/. Then create the file /etc/rc.local, make it executable and launch your script from there (in the background). |
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| 19:44.26 | babilen | L0aD1nG: I don't quite follow |
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| 19:50.25 | ummk | format_c: ok |
| 19:53.29 | L0aD1nG | babilen : What do you mean by that ? :-/ |
| 19:54.13 | babilen | L0aD1nG: I simply didn't understand why you said " Didnt knew that you own me... >:o" and what you mean by that |
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| 19:54.54 | babilen | Either way, feel free to /msg me if you want to elaborate |
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| 20:10.42 | Mike9863 | Keyboard Shortcuts are broken in sid's version of GNOME unless I use GNOME Shell. Is there any way to get around this issue? |
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| 20:10.55 | nkuttler | !tell Mike9863 about debian-next |
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| 20:11.39 | Mike9863 | Yes wrong channel sorry |
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| 20:19.37 | linux|newb | anyone seen it in debian wheezy where wired connections fail to get a dhcp assigned address? |
| 20:19.44 | linux|newb | wireless is fine |
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| 20:20.44 | Absalom | isn't there a complete installation image wich consists of only 1 iso? going to use a bootable usb... |
| 20:21.10 | DanielI | Absalom, there is. |
| 20:21.20 | babilen | Absalom: Are you connected to the internet or not? |
| 20:21.29 | babilen | (or will the computer you install on be) |
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| 20:22.27 | Absalom | can't seem to find it daniel, only for 3 dvd's or so and babilen yes it will but I think I would have less trouble using a complete installation image |
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| 20:24.15 | babilen | Absalom: You can use *any* first CD/DVD/BD image from each set as well as the netinstall ones to install Debian. You find them on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/ |
| 20:24.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell Absalom -about usb install |
| 20:24.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell Absalom -about install debian |
| 20:24.43 | babilen | Absalom: Do you know which desktop environment (if any) you'd like to install? |
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| 20:25.09 | nkuttler | Absalom: what do you mean by complete? includes all packages? |
| 20:25.18 | Absalom | thought of going with KDE since everyone has a boner for it |
| 20:25.31 | Absalom | A larger complete installation image: contains more packages, making it easier to install machines without an Internet connection. |
| 20:25.43 | Absalom | what it says |
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| 20:26.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell Absalom -about install kde |
| 20:26.38 | babilen | Absalom: Grab the KDE image from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/ in that case. |
| 20:26.38 | nkuttler | yeah, first dvd/br.. though more packages is pretty meaningless. you might want to build a custom installer instead |
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| 20:28.08 | synthetix | hi, which package contains the "ar" program? |
| 20:28.29 | nkuttler | synthetix: dpkg -S `which ar` |
| 20:28.55 | synthetix | nkuttler: i dont have it installed, i'm trying to install it :) |
| 20:29.10 | jelly-home | arrrr, it be binutils matey |
| 20:29.21 | synthetix | jelly-home: lol, thanks :D |
| 20:29.26 | nkuttler | heh. thought it was always installed |
| 20:29.29 | nkuttler | !tell synthetix about apt-file |
| 20:29.33 | Luxxi | arrrrr pirateutils |
| 20:30.02 | jelly-home | "kids, if you like binutils, you'll LOVE build-essential" |
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| 20:48.20 | crusader-2004 | is there a simple way to create debian packages? |
| 20:48.35 | crusader-2004 | or is there only the manual way by creating the three package stages? |
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| 20:52.32 | L0aD1nG | crusader-2004: there are some GUI programs that generating .deb based on the sources you give them BUT they are not recommended for sure...i prefer the manual way |
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| 20:56.29 | crusader-2004 | if it helps me to get a deb file quickly it would be a first step before I recreate the manual one |
| 20:56.46 | crusader-2004 | do you have some hints for the links, locations or names? |
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| 21:03.16 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell crusader-2004 about checkinstall |
| 21:03.20 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell crusader-2004 about nmg |
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| 21:08.23 | L0aD1nG | crusader-2004 : no it wont help you...it will cause you loose time i mentioned it so you avoid use them man...i dont have links for it but even if i had i should not like em cause it doesnt do what you need it to. |
| 21:08.41 | L0aD1nG | link them* |
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| 21:16.52 | crusader-2004 | L0aD1nG: the problem is I don't have a source package for the stuff I need right now |
| 21:17.08 | crusader-2004 | so I need just a package which deploys files from a specific location |
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| 21:28.01 | rgr | whats wrong with the gui UI?Its just a wrapper for the same tools. ommand line <> only thing that works or is cool. |
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| 21:34.42 | Tau | which is the daemon that detects when i put a cd room in the device? |
| 21:34.48 | Tau | then mounts it. |
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| 21:41.12 | aguitel | i am running squeeze ,and when i check "check-support-status" libwekit are affected ,what need to do? |
| 21:41.56 | aguitel | sorry the package is libwebkit |
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| 21:45.28 | L0aD1nG | rgr : it doesnt make a correct built thats the problem. |
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| 21:46.19 | Pancakez | anyone know if there's a way to get IGD Multi-Monitor support working in debian? I just set it up on the same machines windows partition, automatically detected everything, and works great. My google-fu for debian seems to be failing me however, can't even find if it's supported, let alone where to start?? |
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| 21:53.36 | jmcnaught | aguitel: i'm guessing that check-support-status is a tool that is included in squeeze-lts. If there's no update available for libwebkit, it could be that it's still being worked on. I don't know a lot about LTS but from what I understand not all packages will continue to get updates, only certain priority packages will. What about upgrading to Wheezy? |
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| 21:57.14 | jmcnaught | aguitel: this blog entry i read on Debian Planet the other day has some more background: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2014/06/19/convince-your-company-to-contribute-to-debian-long-term-support/ |
| 21:57.46 | crusader-2004 | rgr: was that for me? |
| 21:58.02 | crusader-2004 | rgr: if yes, gui tool? Which one? |
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| 22:04.39 | L0aD1nG | Good night everyone! |
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| 22:11.20 | crusader-2004 | L0aD1nG: thank you, and good night |
| 22:11.44 | aguitel | jmcnaught: thanks |
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| 22:42.21 | hatter__ | I have an ASUS z87-c motherboard, after turning off all the UEFI stuff it still doesn't boot. However I can boot if I use supergrub2disk boot disk. What is this boot disk doing that grub can't do ? |
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| 22:53.07 | hatter__ | debian wheezy btw |
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| 22:55.06 | rockerman | guess whos it?;) |
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| 22:58.08 | jhutchins | !efi |
| 22:58.10 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 22:58.17 | jhutchins | hatter__: Dunno if there's anythng useful there. |
| 22:58.50 | jhutchins | hatter__: Grub's been able to handle EFI for years, it's a matter of getting the right version and setting it up right. |
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| 23:05.48 | n-st | is there a channel where asking about my isp's broken routing would be on-topic? |
| 23:07.08 | Metaleer | n-st: ##networking, for example. |
| 23:08.53 | nkuttler | n-st: are you sure you don't want to contact your isp? |
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| 23:11.48 | n-st | nkuttler: i first need to know which one of them screwed up ;) |
| 23:12.40 | n-st | Metaleer: thanks i now remember being there before, i just forgot the channel name
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| 23:12.52 | Metaleer | Sure. |
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| 23:18.27 | hatter__ | jhutchins - ah, I didn't realise secureboot and EFI are two different things. |
| 23:18.57 | hatter__ | thing is, I have disable secureboot and turned on CSM, the install goes through fine, but won't boot. |
| 23:19.15 | hatter__ | unless I boot with supergrub2disk, then I can boot. |
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| 23:28.59 | Clinteger | hello |
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| 23:29.49 | Clinteger | does anyone here happen to know if it is possible to modify the xkb configuration so that <dead_acute> <c> produces ccedilla instead of cacute ? (ç instead of ć) |
| 23:30.27 | BooK | my laptop is stuck in a loop. i think it went on hibernate, but when waking up, it looks up the wrong uuid for the encrypted disk and falls flat |
| 23:31.09 | BooK | i suppose the easiest way out is to force a normal boot, but i don't know how to do that |
| 23:35.01 | Brigo | BooK, boot from a rescue disk and clean the swap partition (format it again, for example) |
| 23:39.36 | Brigo | Clinteger, may be xmodmap ... |
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| 23:43.15 | BooK | brigo: i was hoping for a magic key combination at some point during boot, but your solution sounds like something that will work, thanks |
| 23:43.32 | BooK | now to find a rescue disk... |
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| 23:44.24 | Brigo | BooK, you can try edit the kernel parameters at boot time, in grub menuç |
| 23:44.39 | jasabell1 | i'm a bit confused :) does the default install of debian include vim or vi? |
| 23:44.51 | jasabell1 | it seems to be vim but named vi? |
| 23:45.20 | Brigo | jasabell1, it is vi, not vim |
| 23:45.56 | jasabell1 | but when i do vi --help, it says VIM - Vi IMproved |
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| 23:46.53 | jasabell1 | but okay hmm |
| 23:46.59 | Brigo | jasabell1, so it si vim, but afaik the default's one is vi |
| 23:47.36 | jasabell1 | perplexing :) |
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| 23:55.40 | zykotick9 | the default "vi" in debian is packaged as vim-tiny |
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| 23:55.51 | kamintears | hi i'm trying to use webkitgtk-3.0-dev from the ports and it gives me a webkitgtk-3.0 with version 1.8.1 which does not even include webkit2 |
| 23:55.59 | kamintears | something went wrong with the packaging? |
| 23:56.50 | jasabell1 | oh thanks zykotick9 :) |
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| 23:57.55 | centrx | kamintears, I don't know why they named the package 3.0, that seems odd |
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| 23:58.53 | centrx | kamintears, It must mean it's for GTK 3.0 |
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