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| 00:00.27 | kamintears | well hmm that is not good, and there seems to be no way to access the <webkit2/webkit2.h> api, because i see no other obvious candidate packages |
| 00:00.53 | kamintears | and autoconf expects that webkitgtk-3.0 provides that on most other systems |
| 00:00.58 | centrx | kamintears, You can try doing a source backport of the version from unstable, 2.4.3-2 |
| 00:01.03 | centrx | dpkg, tell kamintears about ssb |
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| 00:01.34 | kamintears | dpkg, tell centrx not to spam my IM |
| 00:01.44 | kamintears | :) |
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| 00:03.43 | kamintears | i'm more inclined to develop on a testing VM somewhere in this case, i'll manage. i just thought it was worth noting... |
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| 00:07.08 | haze_ | anyone here that can help me get Transmission-daemon write permissions to my /media/Data drive? |
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| 00:09.38 | cynicallemon | haze_, have you tried adding yourself to the transmission-daemon group? |
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| 00:10.32 | haze_ | cynicallemon I'm new/ish to linux so I'm not that familiar with how that is done |
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| 00:12.12 | cynicallemon | haze_, you can use the usermod command (as root) |
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| 00:12.58 | DanielI | "usermod -G" more specifically |
| 00:12.58 | cynicallemon | haze_, like, usermod -a -G transmission-daemon <username> |
| 00:13.03 | DanielI | ^ |
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| 00:14.26 | haze_ | group 'transmission-daemon' does not exists |
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| 00:18.45 | cynicallemon | haze_, whats the owner/group of your data folder? |
| 00:19.11 | haze_ | when I ls -la it says root:root |
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| 00:21.03 | cynicallemon | haze_, ah, my mistake, that group is debian-transmission |
| 00:21.53 | cynicallemon | haze_, so it should be root:debian-transmission |
| 00:22.07 | jmcnaught | haze_: it looks like transmission-daemon runs as the user debian-transmission. It looks like you need to make sure that this user has write permission to the directory in question. If "/media/Data\ Drive" is going to be mounted all the time, you could change its group to debian-transmission.. or you could enable all users to write to that directory. |
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| 00:23.04 | cynicallemon | haze_, add yourself to the debian-transmission group too |
| 00:23.13 | jmcnaught | cynicallemon: why? |
| 00:23.17 | dragon777 | Hi every one , to those who are talented in Hardware stuff :) Can I run ralink 3290 wireless adapter on the kernel 3.2 |
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| 00:24.33 | haze_ | cynicallemon I have added my self to the group with the "usermod -a -G debian-transmission haze" hope this is done right :) |
| 00:24.48 | haze_ | but I do not have permission to write to the drive as haze only as root. |
| 00:24.54 | cynicallemon | jmcnaught, he said hewanted to write to it but he may have meant the transmission daemon |
| 00:25.28 | haze_ | that would be a nice thing if it was open for user "haze" |
| 00:26.17 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell haze_ about permissions |
| 00:27.16 | jmcnaught | haze_: you should get a message from the dpkg bot with links to some info about permissions |
| 00:28.00 | zykotick9 | haze_: if this a fat/ntfs partition you're talking about? if so, keep in mind, POSIX permission won't work. |
| 00:28.28 | cynicallemon | zykotick9, good point |
| 00:28.30 | haze_ | one of the drives I need to have permissions for is an ntfs and the other ext4 |
| 00:29.16 | haze_ | but it's not an external, I probably should reformat it to ext4 anyway |
| 00:29.48 | cynicallemon | haze_, yes get rid of that ntfs garbage now! |
| 00:29.56 | cynicallemon | :) |
| 00:30.19 | dvs | in Soviet Russia.... ;-P |
| 00:30.39 | haze_ | problem is I'm afraid that my data will be lost, the only hdd I have space on for backup is corrupt |
| 00:30.57 | haze_ | the ntfs is stuffed with data |
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| 00:32.37 | cynicallemon | for my torrent server the permissions are root:debian-transmission and occasionally i use a sudo rm -r * on the completed folder if i need to purge all the downloads as i transfer all downloads to a NA |
| 00:33.02 | haze_ | jmcnaught I've been trying to understand that the last two days, my mind just collapses.. :) |
| 00:33.04 | cynicallemon | *NAS |
| 00:34.16 | cynicallemon | haze_, it gets easier |
| 00:34.35 | haze_ | cynicallemon It would'nt be a problem if transmission works now, and my data2 drive wasnt acting up, now I cant access it as haze only root can.. but thats something that has happens after I did a reformat |
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| 00:40.43 | haze_ | but now transmission can get access to the Data now I just need to get my data2 back.. So onwards with the reading |
| 00:41.05 | haze_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:44.31 | cynicallemon | haze_, what i do is say issue a chown -R haze:haze at the root of the drive say /media/Data this effectively gives you complete access to the drive but using the -R will change owner/group on existing stuff too so best done when its a fresh reformatted or new drive |
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| 00:49.33 | haze_ | cyincallemon found out something weird, I remembered that I added it in fstab so thought id remove it again because the error occurred after that was done to.. Now I have permission to the drive |
| 00:50.04 | haze_ | I used exact same options as on my Data drive for the Data2 drive in fstab |
| 00:50.19 | haze_ | the only difference is that Data2 is ext4 |
| 00:50.28 | haze_ | and Data is ntfs |
| 00:52.13 | cynicallemon | haze_, as mentioned, ntfs is root:root only |
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| 00:54.57 | jasabell1 | um, looking for an uptodate page on how to remove nfs :) |
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| 00:57.36 | haze_ | cynicallemon the Data2 is ext4 that is the one I get denied access to when I try to make it auto mount |
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| 00:59.05 | cynicallemon | haze_, i prefer to mount my secondary drives manually in fstab |
| 01:00.58 | haze_ | how do you mean? so you have to enter pass every time you want to use it ? |
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| 01:02.53 | cynicallemon | haze_, no, i put an entry for a drive in my /etc/fstab so i mount it to say /media/mydrive then change ownership to me |
| 01:03.29 | haze_ | oh like that, I'm reading about that right now |
| 01:03.50 | cynicallemon | haze_, then i do chmod -R myself:myself /media/mydrive |
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| 01:05.01 | haze_ | then it gets added to your usergroup or you get added to the drives group? |
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| 01:05.44 | cynicallemon | yeah you become owner and group for drive |
| 01:05.52 | haze_ | okay |
| 01:06.31 | haze_ | then in the option for the drive in fstab i should add "owner;discard" |
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| 01:07.11 | cynicallemon | i dont bother with any addition options |
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| 01:08.30 | haze_ | okay, ill try i out and see what happens then.. thanks |
| 01:08.39 | cynicallemon | ok |
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| 01:53.23 | BooK | I seem to have broken my grub installation. I'm now running a live cd from which I can manually mount my encrypted lvm root partition and my boot partition. How do I reconfigure grub to properly point at everything needed? |
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| 01:56.20 | DGMurdockIII | when go to log out the shutdown and restart buttons are grayed out |
| 01:56.20 | DGMurdockIII | xfce |
| 01:56.29 | DGMurdockIII | debian testing |
| 01:57.00 | DGMurdockIII | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.25 | dvs | aha! Got the password! |
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| 01:57.58 | DanielI | lol |
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| 01:58.44 | DanielI | DGMurdockIII, oops? |
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| 02:00.26 | DGMurdockIII | when go to log out the shutdown and restart buttons are grayed out |
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| 02:00.32 | DGMurdockIII | xfce |
| 02:00.42 | DGMurdockIII | debian testing |
| 02:00.56 | DanielI | Did you try google? xD |
| 02:01.07 | DanielI | I did a well formulated Google search. |
| 02:01.12 | DanielI | First hit contained a solution. |
| 02:01.30 | DGMurdockIII | opps? |
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| 02:02.05 | DanielI | <DGMurdockIII> /msg NickServ identify biggy |
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| 02:02.50 | ryonaloli | what's the best and quickest way to back up a server with minimal downtime? |
| 02:03.04 | DanielI | ryonaloli, what kind of server and how large? |
| 02:03.36 | DanielI | s/large/many gigabytes |
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| 02:04.25 | ryonaloli | a server running an imageboard. currently ~20GB but that will get multiple times larger |
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| 02:05.09 | DanielI | DGMurdockIII, /etc/sudoers, "username localhost = NOPASSWD:", replace "username" with "%users" |
| 02:05.30 | DGMurdockIII | also i have no grub |
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| 02:05.52 | DanielI | DGMurdockIII, grub-install? |
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| 02:08.31 | DGMurdockIII | /etc/sudoers, "username localhost = NOPASSWD:", replace "%users" with " like this |
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| 02:09.25 | DanielI | DGMurdockIII, ? |
| 02:09.38 | DanielI | DGMurdockIII, for the greyed out stuff. |
| 02:12.03 | ryonaloli | DanielI: the server uses apache and mysql. i would just use rsync but i've heard rsync does not like live sql databases |
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| 02:13.05 | DanielI | ryan-c, mysqldump? |
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| 02:13.27 | DanielI | you could compress the entire filesystem and copy that away with a protocol of your choice, to get a complete backup |
| 02:13.44 | DGMurdockIII | bash: cd: /sudoers: No such file or directory |
| 02:13.49 | DGMurdockIII | yes |
| 02:13.51 | DanielI | /etc/sudoers |
| 02:14.07 | DanielI | not /sudoers |
| 02:14.23 | jmcnaught | wait.. maybe i missed some messages during a netsplit or something but by are we enabling passwordless sudo? |
| 02:14.24 | DanielI | ryan-c, if it's a VPS, you can rsync (some directories excluded) the file system to another identical VPS |
| 02:14.32 | ryonaloli | it's a dedi |
| 02:14.36 | DanielI | jmcnaught, no |
| 02:14.48 | ryan-c | DanielI: tab complete fail |
| 02:15.02 | DanielI | no ryan-c, I was to say "no" to jmcnaught. |
| 02:15.21 | themill | questions that start with "why" don't have "no" as an answer |
| 02:15.28 | ryonaloli | i think me meant to me |
| 02:15.30 | LtL | DGMurdockIII: visudo is the program to best edit /etc/sudoers |
| 02:15.31 | ryonaloli | *he |
| 02:15.42 | DanielI | I read "are we enabling passwordless sudo?" |
| 02:15.43 | DanielI | my mistake. |
| 02:16.37 | DanielI | His shutdown and reboot buttons in xfce are greyed out, and a change to sudoers (that allows any user to use shutdown via the user shutdown) would fix it |
| 02:17.26 | themill | no it wouldn't |
| 02:17.45 | jmcnaught | ryonaloli: you can use rsync for backups, personally I use Duply (which is a frontend to duplicity) which uses a combination of rsync and GPG for encrypted remote backups. For MySQL you need to use mysqldump to get a plaintext dump of the database contents. |
| 02:18.20 | jmcnaught | DGMurdockIII: hold on a sec before you modify that sudoers file |
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| 02:19.07 | DanielI | The other people here are correct, editing sudoers while "blind"/following someones instructions is very bad. |
| 02:19.17 | themill | DGMurdockIII: which release of debian is this? |
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| 02:19.36 | themill | (and which dm are you using? lightdm?) |
| 02:19.43 | DGMurdockIII | testing jessie! |
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| 02:20.00 | DGMurdockIII | Xfce |
| 02:20.07 | DGMurdockIII | 4.10 |
| 02:20.57 | ryonaloli | jmcnaught: how would i set this up as a cron job so duplicity avoids getting the live sql database? would i just have mysqldump save to some file and then run duplicity while excluding the real mysql databases? |
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| 02:21.12 | jmcnaught | DanielI: please don't advise people to give themselves NOPASSWD sudo, at least not unless the situation clearly calls for it and other solutions have been exhausted |
| 02:22.06 | DGMurdockIII | lightdm xsession |
| 02:22.08 | jmcnaught | ryonaloli: duply/duplicity (and anything else using rsync) allow you to make include/exclude lists so that you only back up the specific paths that you need |
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| 02:23.12 | DGMurdockIII | http://pastebin.com/HRyrdAb0 |
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| 02:24.23 | themill | http://www.corsac.net/?rub=blog&post=1566 |
| 02:24.24 | DGMurdockIII | themill, u see |
| 02:25.30 | themill | DGMurdockIII: do you have the libpam-systemd package installed? |
| 02:26.12 | DGMurdockIII | not sure |
| 02:26.28 | DGMurdockIII | i'll look |
| 02:26.42 | DGMurdockIII | yes i do |
| 02:27.12 | DGMurdockIII | at least synaptic manger tells me i do |
| 02:28.26 | IonCannon218 | wtf is the package to isntall nslookup |
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| 02:28.45 | themill | dpkg: tell IonCannon218 about apt-file |
| 02:28.56 | IonCannon218 | ah dnsutils |
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| 02:29.12 | DanielI | I got it from BIND |
| 02:29.16 | DanielI | bind-utils I think |
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| 02:34.11 | jmcnaught | DanielI: bind-utils isn't a package. Please try to provide accurate advice here instead of guessing. |
| 02:34.12 | DGMurdockIII | themill, say i do in synaptic manger |
| 02:35.00 | jmcnaught | IonCannon218: in that same package there's also dig, which is often more useful than nslookup |
| 02:35.05 | Shdwdrgn | when I plug in the memory card from my camera into the USB port, I get a pop-up that I inserted media with digital photos, but the drop-down says no applications found. I can't seem to find where I would change the list of apps? All I want to do is open the usb device in the file browser. |
| 02:35.07 | themill | DGMurdockIII: having that package installed should be enough -- you might do better asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net where you'll find more people familiar with the quirks of debian testing |
| 02:35.23 | DGMurdockIII | i did no answer |
| 02:35.53 | themill | DGMurdockIII: patience. half an hour isn't long on irc at this time of day |
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| 02:37.47 | luminous | hi! I'm trying to mount an encrypted fs and am getting an error: One or more block devices are holding /dev/dm-0 |
| 02:37.53 | luminous | what does this translate to? |
| 02:38.08 | luminous | what exactly is the problem mount is running into with the device? |
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| 02:40.15 | jmcnaught | Shdwdrgn: are you in Gnome? Go to the system settings (in the top-right corner menu), click on the Details icon. In the "removable media" section you can configure what happens for photo media |
| 02:42.13 | Shdwdrgn | sorry, I'm running the mate desktop |
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| 02:42.25 | Shdwdrgn | haven't been able to find anything for removeable media |
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| 02:43.26 | jmcnaught | Shdwdrgn: i don't know Mate, but it might be called something like "default applications" |
| 02:44.23 | Shdwdrgn | the default apps program is sadly lacking in mate. It gives very few options for things like default browser or email, but doesn't let me fine-tune |
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| 02:45.39 | sakang | or perhaps preferred apps |
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| 02:46.41 | jmcnaught | Shdwdrgn: they might know in #mate |
| 02:46.58 | sakang | mate is just a DE. whatever apps you have in /usr/share/applications will show up in your menu |
| 02:47.36 | Shdwdrgn | jmcnaught, thanks, I was actually just trying there as well. |
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| 02:48.22 | jmcnaught | Shdwdrgn: if it's quiet you might need to hang around for a while to get a response. IRC is like that. Or maybe try their mailing list |
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| 02:53.44 | jmcnaught | luminous: not familiar with that kind of a problem. Have you tried using lsof to see what might be using dm-0? |
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| 02:54.49 | Shdwdrgn | thanks for trying, folks... getting some help from #mate now. |
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| 02:57.12 | jmcnaught | luminous: without knowing more, i might also guess that a desktop environment is trying to unlock and mount the volume for you, and that is getting in the way of using it with the mount command |
| 02:57.14 | BlueOne | When Debian 8 releases ,aprox ? |
| 02:57.51 | dvs | !wwjr |
| 02:57.51 | dpkg | I have no idea when Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will release -- when it's ready, I guess, but I do know about the <jessie freeze>. For user contributed guesses on when it will release, ask me about <jessie pool 1>. See also <release goals>, <wir>. |
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| 03:01.25 | BlueOne | Can I deal with sid as an "ArchLinux but the Debian way" or packages in Arch are more stable ? |
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| 03:02.59 | Coweater | sid will break, if you want a semi-rolling setup there's testing |
| 03:03.13 | jmcnaught | BlueOne: not really. unstable and testing aren't really meant for end users, they're testing platforms for the developers to work on and testers to find bugs with. Despite that lots of people use them on their desktops, but you will occassionally have problems. If you're new to Debian it's probably best to start with Wheezy + backports |
| 03:03.26 | dvs | Testing breaks too but less often |
| 03:04.15 | calamari | when I run glxinfo it says "Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig". Using Debian Wheezy (armel) with XServer XSDL (Android). basically trying to decide whether there is something I can do on the Debian side or if it's a problem in the X server. I don't have any 3d hardware, but I'm hoping mesa can render. anything I can do to investigate? |
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| 03:04.54 | jmcnaught | BlueOne: after using Linux for several years I've come to learn that having the latest version of everything isn't as important as having a computer that works the same way each day so i can focus on using my computer for getting stuff done, not tweaking the computer itself |
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| 03:05.32 | dvs | agrees |
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| 03:06.30 | luminous | jmcnaught: using lsof is a good idea. I'll check. Also, I'm not actually using mount directly. I'm using gnome to try to mount it using the method I have before |
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| 03:06.52 | luminous | BlueOne: I'll add another +1 to jmcnaught's message |
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| 03:07.44 | jmcnaught | luminous: maybe it's something like the drive didn't get removed properly last time? Have you tried checking it out with palimpsest (Disks)? |
| 03:08.00 | luminous | lsof doesn't have anything helpful |
| 03:08.23 | luminous | jmcnaught: I tried gparted, but that failed with lack of support for crypto |
| 03:08.32 | luminous | I have not seen palimpsest but will look |
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| 03:10.35 | luminous | jmcnaught: that worked, thanks! |
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| 03:11.11 | jmcnaught | luminous: sweet! |
| 03:12.06 | Bewilled | Hello, I've been searching everywhere for a nice integrated GUI tool to connect to a Postgresql database and browse some tables and maybe do some relational modelling. However, I've come bye a couple that seem good but requires the testing version of libc. Anyone know of something? |
| 03:13.32 | jmcnaught | Bewilled: pgadmin3 and phppgadmin are the ones i know about in wheezy, but i haven't used them |
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| 03:17.35 | jmcnaught | Bewilled: you might also check out Kexi (from the calligra suite), and if i'm not mistake libreoffice base (the access clone part) might be able to use postgresql as a backend too |
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| 03:18.09 | Bewilled | I'm thinking of turning to code what would you say? |
| 03:18.54 | luminous | pgadmin won't do what you need/ |
| 03:18.57 | luminous | ? |
| 03:18.58 | jmcnaught | Bewilled: well if none of my suggestions work for you, you could also look into using an ORM in a scripting language. If you know Python for example you could check out SQLAlchemy or the Django ORM |
| 03:20.37 | Bewilled | luminous, yes partially, although it would be nice I could do some modelling as well. |
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| 03:27.18 | jmcnaught | Bewilled: by modelling do you mean making tables and relationships? I don't know about pgadmin3, but it looks like Kexi can do this |
| 03:28.05 | luminous | Bewilled: yea, I stopped modeling that way when I picked up django |
| 03:29.09 | luminous | when running dpkg --install on a .deb, I get "dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read on buffer copy for failed to write to pipe in copy" - is this a bad .deb? or is dpkg complaining about something else? |
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| 03:37.58 | Bewilled | jmcnaught, apt-get install kexi in Wheezy gives me the following: kexi : Depends: calligra-libs (= 1:2.4.4-3) but it is not going to be installed |
| 03:37.59 | Bewilled | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.51 | jmcnaught | Bewilled: uh oh. Do you have any non-Wheezy repos enabled (or have had at one time)? |
| 03:39.10 | Bewilled | yes, and... yes... |
| 03:39.39 | Bewilled | Is my system bleeding? |
| 03:41.11 | jmcnaught | Bewilled: i don't know.. you might want to investigate where it's trying to get kde-runtime from using "apt-cache policy kde-runtime".. you could also try "aptitude why-not kde-runtime" (but i'm new to aptitude so i don't know for sure how much that will help) |
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| 03:41.28 | jmcnaught | Bewilled: which non-Wheezy repos are you using? |
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| 03:44.25 | Bewilled | Here's the list... omg http://pastebin.com/ASvB5u53 |
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| 03:48.25 | jmcnaught | Bewilled: that actually doesn't look too crazy to me. I don't think the google-chrome and mongo repos would interfere with kde but who knows. Did "aptitude why-not kexi" or "aptitude why-not kde-runtime" give you any clues? |
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| 03:53.59 | Bewilled | jmcnaught, kde-runtime:i386 - Conflicts - kde-runtime |
| 03:55.44 | jmcnaught | Bewilled: is kde-runtime:i386 installed? according to "apt-cache depends kde-runtime" it also conflicts with kdelibs4-dev |
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| 03:59.44 | Bewilled | jmcnaught, according to dpkg -s kde-runtime:i386, Kde-runtime is not installed |
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| 04:01.11 | jmcnaught | Bewilled: was there any more information about the error when you tried "apt-get install kexi"? Have you run "apt-get update" recently? |
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| 04:06.01 | uniquenick | trying to upgrade from wheezy to jessie I get the following (on distupgrade): Setting up grub-efi-amd64 (2.00-22) ... |
| 04:06.01 | uniquenick | source_dir doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory |
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| 04:10.43 | kryl0n | Debian rox |
| 04:10.50 | Bewilled | jmcnaught, Thank you |
| 04:11.00 | jmcnaught | Bewilled: get it to work? |
| 04:11.45 | Bewilled | jmcnaught, Yes, after installing dependencies |
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| 04:12.05 | jmcnaught | Bewilled: cool.. i hope kexi helps |
| 04:13.16 | uniquenick | anyone know how I can find out what directory it is talking about at least? |
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| 04:14.21 | jmcnaught | uniquenick: you might try #debian-next on irc.debian.org for help with jessie. I don't use it myself, but i know from time to time there are problems with packages because well, it's not finished yet |
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| 04:24.23 | mns | how do I get chromium + adobe flash to work properly ? It used to work, but a few weeks ago, I stopped using --enable-plugins. Now when I use it, sites like hulu.com and bbc.co.uk say that I need to have Flash. |
| 04:24.33 | mns | I'm using Debian/testing |
| 04:25.08 | jmcnaught | mns: i think you're looking for pepperflashplugin-nonfree package |
| 04:25.31 | mns | jmcnaught: if I use pepperflash, I can get video, but no audio. |
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| 04:26.06 | mns | so I was trying to revert to something that I know was working. |
| 04:26.39 | jmcnaught | mns: not sure what that problem is about, but chromium defintely can't use the flashplugin-nonfree one anymore. Chromium stopped using the npapi that the other flash plugin is based on. |
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| 04:28.05 | jmcnaught | mns: it could be that pepper flash is being silly and trying to use the ALSA device directly instead of using pulseaudio. |
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| 04:28.14 | mns | jmcnaught: ahhh ok. There was an update to chromium in the time between I disabled --enable-plugins, and todya when I started it. I presume this was in a recent update to chromium. |
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| 04:28.59 | jmcnaught | mns: yeah, this is fairly new. i don't use chromium.. but i do know that you can get ALSA-only programs to talk to pulse |
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| 04:29.48 | mns | well I guess I'll have to have both pepperflash and adobeflash installed. One for Chromium, the other for Iceweasel. |
| 04:30.20 | mns | why can't content providers just switch to using WebM or HTML5 video instead of flash. |
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| 04:34.08 | jmcnaught | mns: you could try the solution under "Third Party Applications |
| 04:34.30 | jmcnaught | oops... http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/PerfectSetup/ at this link, the ~/.asoundrc file part |
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| 04:35.29 | mns | jmcnaught: ok thanks. will give that a shot. |
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| 04:36.04 | jmcnaught | mns: then again i don't know if that's actually the problem, and i think that debian sets things up like this by default in wheezy and beyond. If it doesn't work just delete the ~/.asoundrc file that you created |
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| 04:44.23 | jmcnaught | you could also try running pavucontrol.. When i play a flash video in Iceweasel it shows up as "ALSA plugin ..." so yeah, i think Debian already has the steps in that pulse link i provided about configured by default |
| 04:45.18 | mns | jmcnaught: seems like I might need alsa installed in the first place. |
| 04:45.53 | mns | never mind, it seems its installed, though I didn't see any /etc/alsa.conf file or such. |
| 04:45.58 | jmcnaught | mns: if you have any sound at all, you probably have the necessary parts of alsa |
| 04:46.20 | mns | let me try playing some music |
| 04:48.09 | mns | ok that is totally strange. I can't get any music to play. And I know this was working like 3 weeks ago. |
| 04:50.03 | uniquenick | is it possible to downgrade back to wheezy at least? |
| 04:50.15 | jmcnaught | mns: do you still have that ~/.asoundrc file I suggested? Get rid of it. Also I don't know if it's installed by default, but with "paprefs" there's a "Simultaneous Output" tab, and I have the box checked "Add virtual output device..." checked. Again I'm not sure if that's necessary or not. |
| 04:50.45 | mns | oh duh. yes that asoundrc file. let me get rid of it. |
| 04:51.06 | mns | uniquenick: if that was for me, no its not possible for me to go back down to wheezy. |
| 04:51.15 | uniquenick | no, that was for me |
| 04:51.22 | jmcnaught | uniquenick: i don't think there's a supported way to downgrade a whole release like that. You might need to backup and reinstall |
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| 04:53.52 | mns | uniquenick: you could try doing pinning in apt, but that could get complicated. |
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| 04:55.07 | mns | jmcnaught: removed the ~/.asoundrc file, and no sound. hmmm this is strange. this must've happened between memorial day and today. I'd bought some CDs that weekend and had been listening to them on the laptop the following week. |
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| 04:55.46 | mns | jmcnaught: what package is paprefs a part of ? |
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| 04:56.04 | mns | never mind, found it. |
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| 04:58.57 | jmcnaught | mns: i was going to suggest that maybe pulseaudio needs to be restarted, but i went and restarted it myself first and lost sound :) Suspend/resume brought it back for me though |
| 04:59.07 | jpinx | jmcnaught: fwiw - the various options of mounting a .vdi of jessie and trying to update/upgrade have all failed. It really has to be run in a vm to do that :( |
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| 05:00.13 | jmcnaught | jpinx: that sucks, it's not a surpise though. All I've ever been able to do with libguestfs and friends is simple file edits like changing hostname etc. |
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| 05:01.01 | mns | jmcnaught: how do you suspect/resume pulseaudio ? |
| 05:01.32 | jpinx | jmcnaught: yes - I get the same result - only minor fiddlings "stick" and don't cause breakages |
| 05:01.41 | jmcnaught | mns: i meant i suspended my computer.. and it was actually my bandaided finger that was trying to logout/login heh |
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| 05:01.53 | jmcnaught | jpinx: http://libguestfs.org/virt-rescue.1.html what about this? |
| 05:02.01 | mns | jmcnaught: |
| 05:02.19 | mns | jmcnaught: hmmm ok let me try that. I suspend/resume on a daily basis. |
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| 05:02.51 | jmcnaught | jpinx: virt-rescue is in libguestfs-tools |
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| 05:03.49 | jmcnaught | mns: if that doesn't work you could also try restarting your DE session i suppose (logout/login) |
| 05:04.28 | jpinx | jmcnaught: that looks like a very limited rescue tool |
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| 05:05.14 | jmcnaught | jpinx: it looks like it would give you a shell, but i haven't tried it myself |
| 05:05.34 | jpinx | yes - a shell with very limited commands |
| 05:06.01 | mns | jmcnaught: Master channel in alsamixer was muted for some reason. |
| 05:08.20 | jmcnaught | jpinx: further into that manpage it suggests you can then chroot into the filesystem with "chroot /sysroot" |
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| 05:08.50 | jpinx | jmcnaught: yes -- but aptitude will not run in a chroot |
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| 05:11.55 | jmcnaught | jpinx: that's news to me. I'm pretty sure I've rescued a borked system by using a rescue CD and chrooting, then using apt-get at least, though it's been a long time. virt-rescue seems sort of like a rescue CD for VMs |
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| 05:13.02 | jpinx | jmcnaught: I'll maybe look more closely tomorrow -- I'm kinda over it for today ;) |
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| 05:14.04 | jmcnaught | jpinx: well i hope you figure it out. it's possible you might need to do a few more things like to get aptitude to work inside the chroot like set $PATH and setup networking, but I bet it can be done |
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| 06:03.34 | jmeyer | I want to have /etc/resolv.conf contain two nameservers, no search domains, and nothing else. However, Linux distros being what they are there are many things conspiring against this. When I edit this file and try to seal the gate with 'chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf' I am given the error "chattr: Operation not supported while reading flags on /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 06:04.04 | jmeyer | How do I get around this? |
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| 06:04.33 | dalias | hah that's how i used to protect resolv.conf |
| 06:04.38 | dalias | dunno why it's not working for you |
| 06:04.48 | dalias | but i think you can just fix some config to keep crap from overwriting it |
| 06:04.59 | jmeyer | resolv.conf *is* the config |
| 06:05.20 | jmeyer | or should i edit the daemon which edits the script that edits the config that edits the config? |
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| 06:06.10 | dalias | whichever program is clobbering resolv.conf, i think there's a way to tell it not to |
| 06:06.42 | jmeyer | I'm going to be honest here: I'm on Ubuntu. But the ##ubuntu people say "You don't want to do that." like ##windows people telling you off for violating the MS EULA for messing with protected system files (I needed to break them to play Halo 2!) |
| 06:06.43 | rryoumaa | i find that some program frequently changes resolv.conf |
| 06:07.05 | jmeyer | Right, rryoumaa, and it is always 'some program', whatever it is, wherever it is, and for what reasons unknown. |
| 06:07.10 | dalias | jmeyer, they're idiots |
| 06:07.16 | jmeyer | dalias: Yes I've said as much. |
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| 06:07.25 | dalias | you definitely want to do that. resolv.conf should either have 127.0.0.1 (preferable) or 8.8.8.8 in it |
| 06:07.28 | dalias | and nothing else |
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| 06:07.40 | dalias | most other nameservers are malicious |
| 06:07.49 | jmeyer | Wait you want to negate resolve.conf entirely? What...? |
| 06:07.58 | dalias | e.g. returning spam sites rather than negative results for nonexistant domains |
| 06:07.59 | jmeyer | I want to use OpenNIC nameservers only. |
| 06:08.19 | jmeyer | I can e-mail the guys running them. They have PGP keys. |
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| 06:08.24 | dalias | no, i mean you should run a nameserver on localhost that's actually honest :) |
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| 06:08.42 | dalias | and it can also do dnssec validation |
| 06:08.48 | jmeyer | I don't have the bandwidth |
| 06:08.55 | dalias | (which you can only trust if it's your own nameserver) |
| 06:08.58 | jmeyer | yeah i'll wait on dnssec until it just works |
| 06:09.07 | jmeyer | right, like OpenID |
| 06:09.12 | rryoumaa | whaaaat? your own machine and google are the only non-malicious nameservers? |
| 06:09.13 | dalias | anyway |
| 06:09.25 | dalias | rryoumaa, these days, sadly... |
| 06:09.26 | jmeyer | 8.8.8.8 is not to be trusted |
| 06:09.34 | rryoumaa | is very confused |
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| 06:10.01 | jmeyer | Okay, is there a way to edit /etc/resolv.conf in this particularly bad debian derivative? |
| 06:10.01 | dalias | rryoumaa, most isp nameservers do crap like returning a spam site ip when you lookup a nonexistant name |
| 06:10.06 | dalias | instead of a negative result |
| 06:10.36 | jmeyer | nxdomains sell me pizza |
| 06:10.37 | rryoumaa | i agree that sucks but it's different from mitm or something |
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| 06:10.45 | dalias | it's malicious |
| 06:10.49 | dalias | and you should not use such nameservers |
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| 06:11.03 | loeken | you should only trust 127.0.0.1 xD |
| 06:11.05 | rryoumaa | ok, how do you do localhost for that? install bind or something? |
| 06:11.05 | dalias | so dhclient overwriting your resolv.conf with them is nasty behavior |
| 06:11.08 | jmeyer | it adds Value to the customer experience you insensitive clod |
| 06:11.11 | dalias | rryoumaa, yeah |
| 06:11.29 | dalias | preferably the "or something" since bind rather sucks ;( |
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| 06:11.49 | rryoumaa | dhclient is the reason my resolv.conf always changes? |
| 06:11.50 | jmeyer | dhclient can suck it and so can everything else on the system. i want /etc/resolv.conf to have what I want in it, nothing else, with chattr +i |
| 06:11.58 | jmeyer | "chattr: Operation not supported while reading flags on /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:12.15 | jmeyer | I have a feeling this is due to some r/w handle open on it |
| 06:12.19 | jmeyer | like something i'd find in lsof |
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| 06:12.56 | themill | dpkg: tell rryoumaa about override dns |
| 06:13.02 | jmeyer | no tell me |
| 06:13.09 | themill | you can ask dpkg yourself ;) |
| 06:13.33 | jmeyer | oh, well, dhclient is one of the many meanies in this situation |
| 06:13.49 | jmeyer | NetworkManager, or maybe it is SystemD, well something else is fooling around with this here |
| 06:13.50 | themill | configuring the dhcp client what to do about the nameservers is the best way; you probably also want to install resolvconf. |
| 06:14.10 | themill | (and if you're using ubuntu here, you really should be asking #ubuntu) |
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| 06:15.15 | jmeyer | /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail |
| 06:15.22 | jmeyer | wat fux |
| 06:15.47 | jmeyer | openbsd is more userfriendly than this shit |
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| 06:16.03 | themill | jmeyer: wrong way to ask questions and wrong channel |
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| 06:20.35 | rryoumaa | i thought the policy was for /etc to be read only? |
| 06:21.23 | themill | not by default. It's supposed to be possible for the admin to do that if they want to put in the work |
| 06:22.00 | themill | (for instance by making /etc/resolvconf/run/ a symlink into /var) |
| 06:22.41 | rryoumaa | fhs says resolv.conf has to be in /etc. but it says it has to be static. |
| 06:23.04 | ikonia | I updated a kernel on a debian squeeze box using the backport inux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 on friday, the page https://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/amd64/linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64/filelist lists the package as containing a /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 file, however the date stamp on that file shows it has not been updated when the package was installed |
| 06:23.06 | themill | /etc/resolv.conf always esists. |
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| 06:23.32 | ikonia | the package reports no errors installing, so why is this file (or any of the modules for that matter) being updated with this package install |
| 06:24.24 | rryoumaa | and it even makes an exception for mtab, which by the exception proves the rule concept, suggests that resolv.conf should be either static or mentioned as an exception. at least, that is how i would interpret it. but then maybe debian isn't as fhs-oriented as i had thought. |
| 06:24.32 | ikonia | the logs show a concern |
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| 06:25.09 | ikonia | http://paste.debian.net/106324/ |
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| 06:30.48 | ikonia | I've just done a re-install of the package now to see what is going on and it doesn't appear to complete the install of the package, although doesn't error out http://paste.debian.net/106326/' |
| 06:31.41 | ikonia | the package status from dpkg though, seems to show "ok" |
| 06:31.43 | ikonia | ii linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1 Linux 3.2 for 64-bit PCs |
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| 06:36.24 | chalcedony | i downloaded another copy of the debian cd, it seems to have more features than the other one, and is loaded with Radeon.. what i don't know is how to make it sse my monitors as one big monitor, now? |
| 06:37.01 | ikonia | where did you get the other CD ? |
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| 06:39.52 | chalcedony | ikonia, it's the one from debian for 64 bit desktop |
| 06:40.04 | ikonia | chalcedony: "where did you get it" |
| 06:40.08 | formorer | all official cds have the same drivers. |
| 06:40.08 | chalcedony | and it has the right checksum |
| 06:40.20 | ikonia | formorer: that's why I'm curious also |
| 06:40.53 | chalcedony | sec let me find the url |
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| 06:42.22 | chalcedony | https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ ikonia - and additional files from ga tech, and then i added the correct repositories |
| 06:42.47 | ikonia | chalcedony: thats the netinstall |
| 06:42.50 | ikonia | chalcedony: it contains almost nothing |
| 06:43.06 | ikonia | you said it contained things such as the radion drivers - which I don't believe it does as it's net install based |
| 06:43.20 | ikonia | hence the name "minimal CD" |
| 06:44.22 | chalcedony | ikonia, i don't know. |
| 06:44.33 | ikonia | what do you mean "you don't know" ? |
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| 06:44.52 | ikonia | you said it was a "desktop CD" but you've just linked to the "net install" CD, which contains almost nothing |
| 06:44.55 | chalcedony | i explained |
| 06:45.19 | ikonia | apologies, I don't believe you have done |
| 06:45.29 | chalcedony | you finish with the CD, it kicks it out and directs you to other mirrors for files |
| 06:45.32 | ikonia | certainly not clearly |
| 06:46.10 | ikonia | that requires you to manually install all the packages correctly |
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| 06:46.32 | ikonia | that's not different than a standard install and then you manually adding packages to it, |
| 06:46.36 | ikonia | execpt there is more risk as you can add the wrong pacakges at install time |
| 06:46.45 | chalcedony | ok |
| 06:46.56 | chalcedony | what would you like to see? |
| 06:47.24 | chalcedony | rather than criticise what ive done, without checking perhaps? |
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| 06:48.50 | ikonia | "without checking" that's exactly what I'm doing |
| 06:49.04 | ikonia | you appear to be unable to explain what you've done eg "I've got the desktop install", |
| 06:49.11 | ikonia | so I was trying to clarify what you'd actually done |
| 06:49.16 | chalcedony | ikonia, ok |
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| 06:49.22 | ikonia | I'll back away now if this causes a problem/offense |
| 06:49.23 | chalcedony | i said it wrong |
| 06:49.32 | ikonia | good luck |
| 06:49.33 | chalcedony | no i'm sorry |
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| 06:51.57 | chalcedony | i guess i'm not supposed to do things on my own? |
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| 07:13.23 | daradara | Hello, is Debian 7.0 not available anymore? |
| 07:13.37 | daradara | THe download page only gives me 7.5 |
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| 07:14.13 | formorer | daradara: 7.5 is the updated version of 7.0, why do you need 7.0? |
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| 07:14.38 | daradara | I find it more stable. |
| 07:14.59 | formorer | I don't believe that. the only thing it has are more security holes. |
| 07:15.16 | daradara | I tried installing AMD graphics drivers. Worked fine in wheezy, but in 7.5 the installation failed and... oh. |
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| 07:16.03 | daradara | Oh and also the graphical desktop thing sometimes tends to freezelock. |
| 07:16.37 | formorer | I don't think that 7.0 vs 7.5 is the reason. as said it contains only minor fixes and security updates. |
| 07:17.04 | daradara | Still, a different version. |
| 07:17.21 | formorer | and you want you 7.0 without security updates? |
| 07:17.45 | daradara | I want stability and a graphics driver. |
| 07:17.50 | formorer | and you want you 7.0 without security updates? |
| 07:18.11 | formorer | as soon as you update you will have 7.5. And I still don't believe 7.5 is the reason |
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| 07:18.22 | daradara | I have it now from the ISO. |
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| 07:19.37 | daradara | What could be the reason then? |
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| 07:20.21 | ikonia | describing how it fails would be a good start |
| 07:20.32 | ikonia | rather than "it fails" |
| 07:20.33 | ikonia | that may give more of a clue to where the problem is |
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| 07:21.10 | daradara | I'd have to run the installer again and give you the log, but if I did that I wouldn't be able to get in irc because I'd be stuck in textmode. |
| 07:21.32 | ikonia | if it didn't work, how are you using it now ? |
| 07:21.39 | daradara | I didn't install it. |
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| 07:21.46 | daradara | That is, I reinstalled debian. |
| 07:21.50 | formorer | you should not run the installer, but install the fglrx packages (probably from backports) |
| 07:22.09 | ikonia | thats the point of the packages surly ? |
| 07:22.32 | ikonia | they have been tested and confirmed working and packaged properly, so you don't have to do any work |
| 07:22.35 | formorer | the installer from amd is known to be often broken |
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| 07:23.25 | daradara | Okay then I am lost. |
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| 08:14.51 | Iridos | dara.... |
| 08:14.58 | Iridos | well, too late |
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| 08:29.32 | Guest28267 | Hi. How can I enable autocompletion after man? For example man fir<TAB>? I've got bash-completion installed. |
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| 08:37.37 | nkuttler | Guest28267: that should work out of the box. if you don't start a new shell source /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion |
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| 08:39.45 | Guest28267 | nkuttler, thank you. Worked like a charm |
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| 08:41.24 | hatter__ | I am missing something with NFS, trying to mount a debian 7.0 share on a ubuntu client, but it's mounting with nobody.nogroup, I have the same domain in idmapd.conf , any clues ? |
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| 08:52.21 | talin | hello. what do you guys use for retrieving info about a server from an outside system? like, if any filesystems are nearly full, what the load is, etc |
| 08:53.01 | ChrisH | talin: monitoring software like nagios/OMD if there is more than one server involved |
| 08:53.10 | pfote | ^ |
| 08:53.11 | formorer | oh no. please don't recommend omd. |
| 08:53.25 | petern_ | orchestral manoeuvres in the dark? |
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| 08:53.47 | formorer | some crappy monitoring distribution that works from without the packaging system. |
| 08:53.51 | petern_ | ew |
| 08:54.58 | pfote | "OMD avoids the tedious work of manually compiling and integrating Nagios addons while at the same time avoiding the problems of pre-packaged installations coming with your Linux distribution, which are most times outdated and provide no regular updates." ^^ |
| 08:55.00 | ChrisH | formorer: whats wrong with OMD? We use it on many places and it makes much more fun, than plain-nagios |
| 08:55.13 | formorer | talin: debian includes a bunch a bunch of monitoring systems like icinga, nagios3, zabbix or shinken |
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| 08:55.43 | formorer | ChrisH: it is crap. it doesn't use packages. it is not conform to fhs. if is often buggy. |
| 08:55.56 | pfote | heard good things about shinken in bigger environments |
| 08:56.03 | formorer | we package all relevant monitoring systems for a good reason. |
| 08:56.21 | ChrisH | formorer: dpkg -l omd |
| 08:56.35 | ChrisH | Thats packaged, isn't it? |
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| 08:56.50 | formorer | ChrisH: HAHA. that joke was good. |
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| 08:58.37 | formorer | talin: if you ask me I would recommend icinga1 or icinga2, but I am biased |
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| 09:33.36 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 09:33.36 | dpkg | < justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp. |
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| 09:34.32 | dwatkins | has anyone had success with compiling the latest development version of HandBrake (and HandBrakeCLI) on Wheezy? I tried following the instructions on here, but it fails to compile: https://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/CompileOnLinux |
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| 09:46.15 | dcpc007 | hello |
| 09:46.30 | dcpc007 | why sftp is active by default in a new debian server ? |
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| 09:46.59 | talin | dcpc007: sftp is ftp over ssh and ssh is enabled by default |
| 09:47.05 | jelly | dcpc007: it's only active if openssh-server package is installer |
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| 09:47.11 | dcpc007 | i think that by default it's better to activate only necessary services. |
| 09:47.28 | jelly | dcpc007: do you need ssh service? |
| 09:47.34 | dcpc007 | yes i need ssh connection, but don't need ftp functions |
| 09:47.43 | dcpc007 | i could comment the subsystem line, |
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| 09:47.55 | jelly | dcpc007: sftp introduces no extra exposure |
| 09:48.01 | dcpc007 | but don't understand why default deb config activate this sftp |
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| 09:48.12 | dcpc007 | yes but functions are wider .... |
| 09:48.16 | pfote | dont mix sftp with ftps |
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| 09:48.50 | dob1 | hi, if an user run shutodown -h (some times but not now) how can i block it ? |
| 09:48.53 | dcpc007 | if i read docs : scp transfert files, sftp more like external FS browser |
| 09:48.58 | jelly | dcpc007: upstream has it enabled by default as well, it is useful, and it is not any less safe than having a shell opened |
| 09:49.06 | loeken | dob1, delete the user :D |
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| 09:49.26 | dcpc007 | yes but to trace user modifications, it's easier by the shell history |
| 09:49.29 | dcpc007 | dev are on windows |
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| 09:49.36 | dcpc007 | they use putty/ssh + winscp |
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| 09:49.46 | dob1 | loeken, he is allowed to shutdown the pc but maybe i am connected via ssh and i want to stop it :) |
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| 09:49.54 | dcpc007 | winscp should be used only to get a log for example |
| 09:50.14 | dcpc007 | with sftp they could do more things if i read well |
| 09:50.17 | dwatkins | dcpc007: sftp uses ssh/scp, it's not the same as ftp |
| 09:50.18 | loeken | dob1, kill the shutdown |
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| 09:50.21 | loeken | pkill shutdown |
| 09:50.26 | loeken | killall shutdown |
| 09:50.35 | loeken | kill `cat /var/run/shutdown.pid` |
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| 09:50.48 | loeken | maybe some of these will do the trick for ya ;) |
| 09:50.51 | dob1 | it enters in rc0 only after the shutdown time? |
| 09:50.53 | wnkz_ | dob1: command not found: shutodown |
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| 09:51.45 | jelly | dcpc007: sftp has to obey the exact same unix permissions as any other user process |
| 09:51.53 | dob1 | wnkz, shutdown |
| 09:52.08 | dcpc007 | yes i know, but maybe more operation possible via sftp like scp |
| 09:52.23 | jelly | dcpc007: "maybe" how? |
| 09:52.27 | dcpc007 | and for me, accessing data via winscp should be limited |
| 09:52.59 | dcpc007 | like i read : scp : transfer files, sftp : external file manager |
| 09:52.59 | icemax | dob1: alias shutdown 'echo "nice try bitch"' |
| 09:53.09 | jelly | dcpc007: so, you're basically saying "I have specific needs for my windows-based users, thus Debian should change its default" |
| 09:53.27 | dcpc007 | no i just ask how it is ? |
| 09:53.38 | dcpc007 | like i'm admin and must ensure integrity of server |
| 09:53.39 | jelly | dcpc007: again: upstream has it enabled by default as well, it is useful, and it is not any less safe than having a shell opened |
| 09:53.41 | dwatkins | dcpc007: if someone has ssh access, they can access any file their user account has access to, either from the terminal or via scp. |
| 09:53.41 | vak0160 | icemax: that could work |
| 09:53.51 | dcpc007 | i can log history of connection a dn command from shell |
| 09:53.53 | icemax | indeed :P |
| 09:53.53 | dwatkins | (unless their shell is something like /bin/false) |
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| 09:53.57 | wnkz_ | rm /sbin/shutdown |
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| 09:54.02 | dcpc007 | but i discover that they could do many thing via other way |
| 09:54.27 | dcpc007 | if they just DL the logs of their softs for debug, it's ok |
| 09:54.56 | jelly | dcpc007: use unix permissions to give or deny them access |
| 09:55.09 | dcpc007 | prob is not perms, it's trace |
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| 09:55.28 | jelly | you want an audit log of any change? |
| 09:55.29 | dcpc007 | like last week a dev could not access a file in the soft data (bug) |
| 09:55.52 | talin | dcpc007: sftp and scp are enabled by ssh. look at securing and restricting ssh |
| 09:55.53 | jelly | I've no idea how to do that anyway |
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| 09:55.55 | dcpc007 | they connect ssh via putty and make a chmod -R 777 .... i see it quickly and take it in the corridor :) |
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| 09:56.21 | dcpc007 | if he had do this via sftp connection i'm not sure i can see it so easly |
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| 09:57.14 | dcpc007 | and i prefer limit the number of access mode too ... |
| 09:57.28 | dcpc007 | ok 'il llook too |
| 09:57.35 | dcpc007 | hope it's not needed for other things |
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| 09:57.49 | peetaur2 | dcpc007: I give devs full access on development machines ... and then not on production or test machines :D chmod 777 is so wrong |
| 09:58.22 | dwatkins | you can only do "chmod -R 777" if you already have permission to those files, though |
| 09:58.32 | dcpc007 | they have full access only on limited data : like their data (like documents store on document server :) |
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| 09:58.50 | dcpc007 | yes they have rights, they need some |
| 09:59.04 | dcpc007 | but what i expect should be a 750 ... not a 777 |
| 09:59.18 | dcpc007 | (someone recreatae a folder with 740 /// |
| 09:59.38 | dcpc007 | i see quickly the chmod in the bash history |
| 09:59.42 | dwatkins | that's between you and your users as to how much security they give away |
| 09:59.57 | dwatkins | also, I'd be asking why they feel the need to do this |
| 10:00.00 | dcpc007 | if user has access to the folder he can modify rights too |
| 10:00.21 | dcpc007 | (have to lunch, coming back, sorry) |
| 10:00.27 | dcpc007 | thx for 1st answers |
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| 10:04.58 | Delphiworld-Away | hi debianists |
| 10:05.03 | Delphiworld-Away | quick question |
| 10:05.14 | Delphiworld-Away | how to add a secondary ip to a iface using cmdline? |
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| 10:06.18 | OpenTokix | Delphiworld-Away: by far easiest to add it in /etc/network/interfaces and then ifup ifname |
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| 10:06.36 | Delphiworld-Away | OpenTokix: ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.88.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 10:06.43 | woffs | ip addr add |
| 10:07.28 | Cope | ip a a 10.11.12.23/24 dev eth0 |
| 10:07.30 | Cope | for example |
| 10:07.30 | DelphiWorld | woffs: ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.88.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 is that ok? |
| 10:07.48 | DelphiWorld | Cope: thx |
| 10:07.53 | woffs | DelphiWorld: it seems ok, too |
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| 10:08.10 | DelphiWorld | but is creating eth0:1 so i hope its not a vlan |
| 10:08.24 | woffs | DelphiWorld: no vlan |
| 10:08.26 | Cope | DelphiWorld: ifconfig is mostly deprecated in favour of iproute2 family |
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| 10:08.33 | Cope | but it still works :) |
| 10:08.40 | DelphiWorld | lol Cope ;) |
| 10:08.54 | DelphiWorld | Cope, honestly i prefer ip better thant ifconfig |
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| 10:09.14 | Cope | yeah i never use it any more |
| 10:09.27 | DelphiWorld | Cope: just need to get on it:P |
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| 10:12.02 | dwatkins | is this sort of thing mostly documented in the release notes, or should I look somewhere else for details of ip versus ifconfig? |
| 10:13.04 | DelphiWorld | thank dear debianors;) |
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| 10:17.33 | Cope | dwatkins: I don't think I can point to an official debian policy document that states that iproute2 is favoured over net-tools |
| 10:17.40 | ziro` | i am using pbuilder, how can i add ssh keys so that my install task can authenticate with some remotes? |
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| 10:19.24 | Cope | dwatkins: but look at the changelog - you'll see it's mostly just debian patches to keep it alive |
| 10:19.27 | Cope | http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/n/net-tools/net-tools_1.60-26_changelog |
| 10:19.54 | Cope | by contrast iproute2 is actively developed |
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| 10:22.25 | L0aD1nG | Good morning! |
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| 10:23.04 | Johnon | wheezy 64bit has one only version or has more versions desktop - server - notebook... etc. |
| 10:23.49 | Cope | Johnon: when you install debian you get a choice of things, like 'install a desktop' or 'laptop stuff' |
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| 10:24.23 | Cope | but it's kinda up to you beyond that, there's no 'spin' unlike ubuntu |
| 10:24.37 | Cope | if you want something for a specific purpose, you make it from the components you want |
| 10:24.59 | Cope | aside from the top level ones that tasksel gives you |
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| 10:28.02 | johndoe | for some reason as of lately im unable to mount partitions (as a normal user). says unable to mount xyz, not authorized to perform operation. any pointers? |
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| 10:32.01 | Johnon | Cope, got it thanks |
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| 10:35.40 | johndoe | ^ im also unable to shutdown/reboot/hibernate/suspend my computer |
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| 10:35.46 | johndoe | from recently |
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| 10:36.50 | johndoe | maybe something to do with me using lightdm, and consolekit/dbus/polkit |
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| 10:39.55 | dwatkins | thanks Cope :) |
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| 10:40.55 | Johnon | can someone advise me a good debian or linux personal email to use? |
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| 10:41.20 | Cope | Johnon: you mean a mail client? |
| 10:41.32 | Johnon | no I mean a good mailservice |
| 10:41.33 | johndoe | Johnon@debian.org |
| 10:43.27 | Johnon | how to get a @debian.org mail if is possible? |
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| 10:44.07 | babilen | Johnon: You have to become a Debian Developer. |
| 10:44.45 | Johnon | I am not a developer, unfortunately I have not the knowledge |
| 10:45.34 | johndoe | why do you need debian/linux personal email? |
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| 10:46.04 | Johnon | because I don't trust most of the emailservices |
| 10:46.27 | _boot | a vps with postfix+stuff on? |
| 10:46.28 | babilen | Johnon: In that case you will not be given a @debian.org mail address. There are many other mailservices, but this channel is the wrong one to discuss that. You could ask in #debian-offtopic for pointers. |
| 10:46.59 | Johnon | babilen, thanks |
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| 10:54.21 | edoardo | hi |
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| 11:17.56 | smj | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/multi-arch/iso-dvd/debian-7.5.0-i386-amd64-source-DVD-1.iso Does this not have an installer? Is it just source packages or an apt repository? |
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| 11:18.28 | ziro` | anyone know much about dpkg-buildpackage? my source makefile paths are wrong because of the dpkg-buildpackage nesting i’ve had to d |
| 11:18.29 | ziro` | do |
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| 11:19.09 | formorer | smj: just sources |
| 11:19.54 | SynrGy | smj: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 11:19.55 | johndoe | im starting the DE with this line "exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch mate-session". is there something wrong with that? |
| 11:20.23 | smj | SynrGy: find a multiarch installation DVD |
| 11:20.49 | smj | but I think I'll go with i386 |
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| 11:21.45 | cheater | hi |
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| 11:22.41 | cheater | i have a debian computer which is not on the internet. i would like to download the version of the libc-bin deb that it uses. i have another computer running ubuntu. how would i proceed? |
| 11:23.14 | ikonia | cheater: you already have libc on your computer |
| 11:23.20 | ikonia | so you don't need to donwload it |
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| 11:23.47 | cheater | ikonia: i need to download the official release. i suspect ldd might have been modified. |
| 11:24.05 | ikonia | cheater: you already have the official release |
| 11:24.08 | flami | Hi. is the arm toolchain still in embedian? I am wondering since both the wiki and the embedian site talk about squeeze as stable still. |
| 11:24.11 | ikonia | it was installed when you installed your OS |
| 11:24.17 | cheater | you are not helping |
| 11:24.29 | cheater | i want to download the deb file. can you help me do that? |
| 11:24.30 | ikonia | cheater: I'm telling you, you already have what you think you need |
| 11:24.32 | ikonia | cheater: of course I am |
| 11:24.41 | smj | cheater https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libc-bin&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 11:24.41 | ikonia | cheater: why do you want the deb file if you already have the software on your machine |
| 11:24.56 | ikonia | what is the end goal you are trying to fix |
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| 11:25.36 | SynrGy | !smj tell smj about multi-arch installer |
| 11:25.37 | ziro` | seriously, someone must know something about dpkg-buildpackage |
| 11:26.01 | cheater | thank you smj |
| 11:26.04 | xhao | cheater: your debian computer can be online via the ubuntu computer |
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| 11:26.12 | SynrGy | bah |
| 11:26.18 | smj | SynrGy: should something happen? because it's not happening |
| 11:26.18 | SynrGy | !tell smj about multi-arch installer |
| 11:26.21 | ziro` | I am dying here, i have a problem that i can work around, then i have to work around something else because of my work around, then around that. |
| 11:26.24 | SynrGy | typo |
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| 11:26.44 | SynrGy | smj: do you understand the distinction between multi-arch installer and multiarch (i.e. a system that can run both arches?) |
| 11:26.44 | cheater | if i see this in /etc/issue, what debian am I running? I assume squeeze? Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n \l |
| 11:26.50 | SynrGy | smj: they're not the same thing. |
| 11:26.53 | cheater | or is it wheezy? |
| 11:26.55 | ikonia | cheater: wheezy |
| 11:27.03 | ikonia | cheater: what is it you are actually trying to do |
| 11:27.08 | SynrGy | !multiarch |
| 11:27.09 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 11:27.09 | ikonia | as it sounds like you could be about to make a huge mistake |
| 11:27.25 | SynrGy | smj: ^^ just do that after you install (whether you want amd64 on i386 or vice versa) |
| 11:27.26 | smj | yes, but I just have one DVD |
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| 11:27.36 | flami | I just want crosscompilers for arm thank you ;) |
| 11:27.46 | cheater | ikonia: i have already explained this above. |
| 11:27.53 | ikonia | cheater: you've not, |
| 11:28.06 | ikonia | cheater: you've said you want to download a deb - one that is very important to how your system functions |
| 11:28.09 | dcpc007 | peetaur2: re, yes but dev are windows men, and know near nothing about linux, but I must guive them some access |
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| 11:28.18 | cheater | ikonia: i am adding you to the ignore list |
| 11:28.21 | ikonia | cheater: "why" - do you want to download that deb, more so if you're unable to be certain what distro you are using |
| 11:28.38 | dcpc007 | they should ask us advices .. but .... in geneal, doing what they think good .... like chmod 777 = it work now = it's good |
| 11:28.41 | SynrGy | smj: do you need to install either i386 *or* amd64 from the same DVD? that's what the multi-arch installer is for. |
| 11:28.45 | ikonia | cheater: is there something you are trying to do/achieve/fix as you are on a dangerous path |
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| 11:29.17 | TJ- | ikonia: cheater already said. He suspects the core files may have been modified, and wants to download the packages from the archive manually to compare against on a clean (Ubuntu) PC |
| 11:29.32 | ikonia | TJ- ahh, I've not seen that, just that he wanted to download the deb |
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| 11:29.38 | ikonia | TJ-: that's all that was needed..... |
| 11:29.54 | TJ- | <cheater> ikonia: i need to download the official release. i suspect ldd might have been modified. |
| 11:29.55 | cheater | shout less, listen more |
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| 11:30.06 | ikonia | TJ-: ldd modified ??? |
| 11:30.07 | johndoe | dpkg doesnt have an entry on consolekit :/ |
| 11:30.08 | dpkg | johndoe: are you using Windows? |
| 11:30.13 | ikonia | that seems very unlikley, more so as it's not on the interenet, |
| 11:30.30 | dcpc007 | talin: jelly: peetaur2: thx all you, i resume my choice : desactivate sftp make winscp fallback in scp only, but no log on scp actions (like pull/push/chmod/rm), then keep sftp but add "-l INFO" option to have all users actions via sftp (in auth.log by default) + summary in logwatch by default. |
| 11:30.32 | ikonia | cheater: no-one is shouting, I'm just asking politely to help you not wreck your system |
| 11:30.59 | SynrGy | smj: i'm not even sure they make those anymore. i'm not finding them :/ |
| 11:31.01 | TJ- | ikonia: I would assume the suspect machine has been isolated from the network due to the potential compromise :) |
| 11:31.09 | smj | SynrGy: multi-arch DVDs? |
| 11:31.16 | ikonia | TJ-: again, if he just stated teh real problem, assumptions and guesses would nto be needed |
| 11:31.22 | dcpc007 | then after i can analyze user actions and try to learn them what to do if stupid things done (like chmoding 777 when 750 is needed) |
| 11:31.26 | TJ- | cheater: did you find the packages on the debian package web-site? |
| 11:32.05 | SynrGy | smj: oh, wait |
| 11:32.12 | dcpc007 | or have history of actions after something goes crazy |
| 11:32.47 | jelly | dcpc007: sftp is, in general, saner and nicer than scp. scp is basically a huge hack wokring on top of a shell, and does interesting things with shell expansion |
| 11:32.50 | cheater | yes TJ- - thanks guys |
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| 11:34.09 | johndoe | jelly: would you suggest against using scp? |
| 11:34.10 | dcpc007 | jelly: ha ? i was told that scp has less possible actions than sftp which is more like having full access on a remote FS |
| 11:34.19 | SynrGy | smj: yeah. just the netinst. |
| 11:34.35 | SynrGy | smj: did you really want a whole DVD? why wouldn't the netinst be suitable for yoU? |
| 11:34.42 | dcpc007 | i mention too that some operations seems more optimized with scp like recursive op |
| 11:35.13 | dcpc007 | something like a chmod -R is done by one shell command in scp, and sftp will do a chmod for each file ? |
| 11:35.14 | jelly | johndoe: yes. If your client can do sftp, use that. |
| 11:35.26 | johndoe | i usually just scp from the terminal |
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| 11:35.54 | SynrGy | smj: i don't know if they ever made anything *but* netinst in multi-arch flavour |
| 11:35.56 | jelly | dcpc007: why would you want to chmod -R anyway? |
| 11:36.05 | SynrGy | i gotta scram. bus to work. later |
| 11:36.31 | dcpc007 | jelly: from security point of vue, general guide is to guive only access to what you need, if sftp can do much more than scp, why don't limit to scp to get some file access / transfer ? |
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| 11:37.09 | dcpc007 | jelly: many cases ... just like here it's putting application data in archive mode, with copy and change access mode ... |
| 11:37.29 | dcpc007 | or copy prod data on dev server and i don't use the same user one the 2 env |
| 11:37.46 | dcpc007 | never use chmod -R ? |
| 11:38.19 | dcpc007 | or create scripts with dev account, and publish them with a script + chown/chmod to "admin" user |
| 11:38.56 | dcpc007 | and here, playing with tomcat .... (happy !!!! :-( ) |
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| 11:39.25 | dcpc007 | trying to get tomcat service + config managed by tomcat7 user and the application by its own user |
| 11:39.56 | dcpc007 | but data are written by tomcat7 users, then after tries, need to chmod and chown all old data |
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| 11:42.39 | jelly | dcpc007: sftp can't do anything more than shell access can |
| 11:43.25 | dcpc007 | yes, but i don't compare ssh an sftp, only sftp vs scp |
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| 11:43.43 | dcpc007 | and by default, ssh server + chmod = log in bash history |
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| 11:43.59 | dcpc007 | and sftp chmod command is not logged by default |
| 11:44.14 | dcpc007 | then, when a problem come, harder to analyze |
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| 11:44.41 | dcpc007 | i solve partially with add logging to sftp |
| 11:44.52 | dcpc007 | but 2 sources for modifications ... |
| 11:45.11 | jelly | dcpc007: bash history is basically elective; if you don't trust your users, you can expect them to disable logging and wipe any existing file |
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| 11:46.00 | dcpc007 | hum, then i'll see that they mask something ... and near the same at the end :) i could tell that admin do nothing yesterday, and dev do something and mask it after ... |
| 11:46.06 | dcpc007 | and can ask what |
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| 11:46.39 | dcpc007 | same, i think it is easy to see if a user change history conf in personnal .bashrc for example, |
| 11:46.47 | jelly | frankly I'd rather disable shell access and allow only sftp |
| 11:46.51 | dcpc007 | i configure history on global command |
| 11:48.43 | dcpc007 | no because dev (who are too the 1st level of technician for user call) must check some things like process launches, load server |
| 11:48.58 | dcpc007 | (third party maintenance users are the dev :) ) |
| 11:49.38 | cheater | ikonia/smj/TJ/xhao thanks guys, i'll check back with you all later |
| 11:49.44 | dcpc007 | i think we can't do a ps faux via sftp ? |
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| 11:50.08 | cheater | not unless you're on plan9, where every syscall is a file. |
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| 12:39.13 | fUNKIAM` | hi folks! |
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| 12:40.26 | DanielI | Hi fUNKIAM`. |
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| 12:59.20 | Barathe0n | Hi |
| 12:59.59 | Barathe0n | I need some help with configuring/reinstalling graphics driver in Kali 1.0.7. Anyupe up for the challenge? :) |
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| 13:00.34 | centrx | !kali |
| 13:00.34 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
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| 13:01.06 | Barathe0n | ok, ill try there. thanks |
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| 13:26.11 | heftig-z | how would I go about adding debian packaging files to a source repository, so that I can build debs from it? this entire thing will be private and there are no release tarballs |
| 13:26.12 | talin | hello spello. how does debian handle config-files when you upgrade it to a newer version? |
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| 13:26.45 | talin | with freebsd it's a bit of a pain in the bottom... you get to see a diff between files, and then you have to merge or modify manually etc |
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| 13:32.06 | ziro` | rerepro is throwing an error “Invalid section 'unknown' of ‘blah_0.0.1+0~20140623131931.35~1.gbpea0579_amd64.changes’!” |
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| 13:32.18 | ziro` | i don’t know where to start |
| 13:32.21 | centrx | talin, If a new config file cannot be merged automatically, it will ask you what you want to do. You can overwrite the old one completely, or manually merge it, or keep the old one, etc. |
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| 13:33.15 | talin | centrx: hmm, okay. sounds like the defaults are more reasonable |
| 13:34.42 | centrx | talin, It doesn't happen often. On the other hand, I don't have a server with a lot of manually changed configuration files. |
| 13:35.00 | talin | centrx: i see. cool |
| 13:35.00 | centrx | talin, For basic configuration, debconf handles storing your configuration settings and updates the files accordingly for new versions. |
| 13:35.32 | talin | centrx: i see. that sounds nice |
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| 13:44.29 | blockh34d | hi, anyone mind provding an example of using mkswap to increase virtual memory on rpi to say... 500mb instead of 100mb? rpi os = raspbian = more or less debian |
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| 13:44.48 | Mikaela | blockh34d: /join #raspbian |
| 13:44.57 | oniott | hi |
| 13:44.59 | blockh34d | hi Mikaela |
| 13:45.07 | Mikaela | Hi |
| 13:45.13 | blockh34d | Mikaela: i keep cursing and stuff in there |
| 13:45.19 | blockh34d | i'm just not kid-safe |
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| 13:45.47 | blockh34d | how you been btw? |
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| 13:46.03 | Mikaela | This channel cannot provide support for other distributions as we have no idea what changes there are in Raspbian when compared to Debian. |
| 13:46.42 | Mikaela | blockh34d: You could also try ##linux , but they might also send you to #raspbian . |
| 13:47.24 | oniott | debian server works well with hp? |
| 13:47.27 | blockh34d | Mikaela: guess we don't get openscad for rpi then cause i'm trying to get the 3d window working but it wont compile |
| 13:48.00 | blockh34d | oh well, woulda been nice maybe but i think i like freecad better anyways |
| 13:48.01 | Mikaela | has no idea on Pi and she hasn't ever used one. |
| 13:48.20 | blockh34d | well mkswap probably works the exact same |
| 13:48.38 | blockh34d | its cool i'll sort it out thanks anyways |
| 13:50.54 | blockh34d | so pretend i didn't mention rpi please |
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| 13:51.19 | blockh34d | can anyone provide example of using mkswap to increase swap file size from 100mb to 500mb? |
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| 13:51.59 | blockh34d | current swap file is in /var/swap |
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| 13:53.39 | ChrisH | blockh34d: filebased swap? |
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| 13:53.50 | blockh34d | yes i think so |
| 13:53.54 | blockh34d | kinda fuzzy on it all |
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| 13:54.09 | blockh34d | its a file names swap in the /var directory |
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| 13:55.11 | ChrisH | blockh34d: on Debian it's all explained in man mkswap incl. the command to create another swapfile. I would not increase the existing one but create a seconf with 400MB and add that |
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| 13:55.20 | blockh34d | mksawp /var/swap 500 ? |
| 13:55.29 | blockh34d | oh ok |
| 13:55.41 | blockh34d | so more like mkswap /var/swap2 400 ? |
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| 13:55.59 | ChrisH | blockh34d: man swapon and man swapoff additional man pages to be read! And once more Raspberry Pi is NOT debian. |
| 13:56.02 | blockh34d | how do i activate the second swap file? happens automatically by mkswap or its a second command? |
| 13:56.15 | blockh34d | k thanks |
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| 13:56.45 | ChrisH | blockh34d: YOur questions show you did not read the man page. Its explained in mkswap |
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| 13:57.38 | blockh34d | well i read the part that said 'a typo may destroy your disk' so i thought i'd come here and check it out, ask the experts etc |
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| 14:00.00 | ChrisH | blockh34d: there is a dd command at the end, showing how to create a fileswap |
| 14:00.08 | blockh34d | k so if i want a 400mb swap file, specified in 1024 byte increments, thats 500000(ish)? |
| 14:00.15 | blockh34d | k thanks |
| 14:00.38 | blockh34d | err 400000ish i mean (first coffee here) |
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| 14:03.50 | ChrisH | blockh34d: echo "400*1024*1024" | bc |
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| 14:04.57 | ChrisH | blockh34d: above is wrong... its echo "400*1024" | bc ; I never used any size option with mkswap |
| 14:04.59 | blockh34d | if i already have a swap and i'm trying to create a secondary one, does that dd command use a if param of /dev/zero or something else so i don't overwrite /dev/zero? |
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| 14:05.48 | blockh34d | i'm thinking my command is dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/swap2 bs=1024 count=400000 |
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| 14:06.33 | blockh34d | lot easier to blow up a disk than unblow it up so... hoping ot make sure i got the right idea before i do it. thanks for the help. |
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| 14:07.36 | ChrisH | blockh34d: the dd command looks resonable, and /dev/zero cannot be overwritten (normally) |
| 14:07.52 | blockh34d | is /dev/zero kinda like /dev/null ie its nothing? |
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| 14:08.08 | jelly | blockh34d: it's not nothing, it's full of zeroes forever |
| 14:08.26 | blockh34d | oh ok so that dd command says 'make me a 400mb file and fill it with 0's"? |
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| 14:08.42 | blockh34d | thanks |
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| 14:09.00 | Brigo | blockh34d, if=/dev/zero <-- yes |
| 14:09.09 | jelly | blockh34d: it says read 1024 bytes at a time, 400000 time, from /dev/zero, and put whatever you read into /var/swap2 |
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| 14:09.45 | blockh34d | great thanks, it makes more sense now for me |
| 14:10.10 | blockh34d | so i'll mkswap the file it makes, when it finishes, and then swapon the result, and i should be good? maybe a reboot? |
| 14:10.33 | jelly | blockh34d: there's no need for a reboot |
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| 14:10.35 | blockh34d | great |
| 14:10.40 | blockh34d | thanks |
| 14:11.02 | ChrisH | blockh34d: prefered... edit /etc/fstab and run swap -a to check the fstab entry |
| 14:11.07 | jelly | blockh34d: however, if you want to make that swap file enabled on further boots, you'll have to make a fstab line for it |
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| 14:12.06 | blockh34d | i see |
| 14:12.16 | blockh34d | actually in this case it would be better if it only worked this boot |
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| 14:12.36 | jelly | aight, then that's it |
| 14:12.45 | blockh34d | 100mb is normally more than enough but this app has a pretty serious compile process |
| 14:13.02 | jelly | small VPS is small? |
| 14:13.08 | blockh34d | openscad basically depends on everything else ever made |
| 14:13.18 | jelly | g++ can eat up lots of RAM |
| 14:13.38 | ag4ve_ | what do y'all use to unify clipboards? i've tried parcellite, glipper, and diodon (and others?) and nothing seems to work...? |
| 14:13.43 | blockh34d | ya i bet, i blame boost here... no good reason i'm just used to blaming boost |
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| 14:15.54 | jelly | ag4ve_: I've also tried klipper, clipit, clipman, what have you. There's no tool that works in all cases, rdesktop (RDP) is especially problematic |
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| 14:16.23 | repxl | hey guys this mysql is the worst shit i ever saw . |
| 14:16.36 | blockh34d | repxl: k, why is that? |
| 14:16.42 | jelly | repxl: this is a tech support channel |
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| 14:16.50 | jelly | blockh34d: don't feed the trolls, please |
| 14:16.57 | blockh34d | jelly: good point |
| 14:16.58 | repxl | jelly, blockh34d i get allways "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)" |
| 14:17.07 | blockh34d | repxl: if you're having problems with mysql msg me and maybe i can help a little |
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| 14:17.12 | jelly | repxl: which debian release are you using? |
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| 14:17.38 | repxl | jelly , blockh34d this occurs when i want to access my mysql like "mysql p" however i did aptitude --purge remove mysql-server and it still don't remove all the shit ... |
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| 14:18.17 | repxl | blockh34d , jelly how i can complete reverse the mysql from my machine to do a fresh install this purge + remove does not work there still are some settings or idk what that gives that error.- |
| 14:18.19 | jelly | repxl: right. Which Debian is this? |
| 14:18.21 | blockh34d | repxl: maybe you should specify a username/password? or ask in #mysql? |
| 14:18.31 | repxl | jelly 7.4 wheezy i think ye |
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| 14:19.11 | Voyager82 | I don't know if this is the proper channel to ask. (Maybe not.) Do you know where I can find some "instructions" that explain me how to "speed up" Mozilla Firefox. It's become a little slow, lately. A good "generic" manual about Mozilla could work as well. |
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| 14:19.28 | jelly | repxl: if you do not care about the data, you can purge all the packages named like mysql-server*. dpkg -l mysql-server\* may help |
| 14:19.41 | blockh34d | repxl: that error is probably because you're telling mysql you want to log in as root and it does not want to let you do that.. my guess would be you need to create a non-root mysql user with some password and then provide that info to mysql when you run it |
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| 14:20.06 | blockh34d | last i trie,d you could run mysql as root but it wasnt a very good idea? been a while |
| 14:20.29 | jelly | repxl: please pastebin the output of dpkg -l dpkg libc6 mysql\* |grep '^.i' |
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| 14:21.14 | blockh34d | repxl: some people really like postgresql, fyi... maybe worth looking at too |
| 14:21.14 | repxl | jelly http://pastebin.com/Vv20Hvbv |
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| 14:22.19 | jelly | repxl: right, if you want a fresh start, purge all of mysql-server mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server-core-5.5, then verify /var/lib/mysql/ directory is empty |
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| 14:23.25 | blockh34d | whats that kit thats got all that stuff in it, LAMP or something? |
| 14:23.30 | jelly | repxl: otherwise, if you just don't know the mysql root password, there are instructions to change it; read /msg dpkg ifmrp |
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| 14:23.49 | blockh34d | repxl: i think you may find the LAMP server pack install tutorials and usage tutorials informative |
| 14:23.54 | jelly | !tell blockh34d about lamp |
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| 14:24.29 | blockh34d | great thanks looks like my memory works! can never be too sure |
| 14:24.36 | jelly | blockh34d: there is no lamp installer in Debian. |
| 14:24.52 | blockh34d | no? dang oh well |
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| 14:25.30 | ag4ve_ | jelly: ugh, not what i wanted to hear :( |
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| 14:26.08 | jelly | ag4ve_: X11 is almost completely screwed up wrt copy/paste |
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| 14:26.22 | jelly | hell, Windows does it much better and saner |
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| 14:26.39 | blockh34d | blasphemy |
| 14:27.16 | jelly | ag4ve_: you can pretend selection does not exist and use the clipboard exclusively; Gnome seems to be going that way |
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| 14:27.41 | ag4ve_ | heh, yeah, even worse than linux with sound (though 20 years later, we kinda have a working toolchain for it) |
| 14:28.00 | jelly | blockh34d: it's been this way for decades, literally. It won't be fixed. |
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| 14:28.18 | ag4ve_ | decades? |
| 14:28.19 | blockh34d | ag4ve_: at least you're not trying to copy and paste sound clips... you'd be double mucked then |
| 14:28.29 | jelly | ag4ve_: X is 30-ish years old |
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| 14:28.54 | blockh34d | jelly: yeah its like the curses 'y before x because thats how its always been' i guess.. maybe no good reason Y should be in front of X but its too late to change now |
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| 14:29.09 | ag4ve_ | yeah, but when i first installed x with no dm in '95, i was just using primary and it liked that just fine |
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| 14:29.51 | ag4ve_ | ie, i'd hilight a url and it'd go to primary, i'd hilight text and it'd go to primary C-c/C-v went to primary |
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| 14:30.18 | ag4ve_ | ... in NS or whatever browser/text editor i was using then |
| 14:30.33 | ag4ve_ | i think it's only the dm's that've fucked it up |
| 14:31.13 | blockh34d | ok so i think i got my swap setup, thanks everyone |
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| 14:32.50 | blockh34d | i'm shopping around for a new desktop OS, maybe it'll be debian.. is there one main version of debian i should consider using or maybe theres variants and some are better than others for newbs like myself? |
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| 14:33.50 | blockh34d | imagine i'd put it on a standard (horrible) netbook and also maybe a proper desktop with reasonable cpu/ram |
| 14:33.51 | repxl | jelly that suxs .. i mean purging and removing mysql server gives me a fresh install but i still can't get into mysql when i use "mysql p" |
| 14:34.02 | repxl | jelly ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 14:34.08 | ziro` | blockh34d: ubuntu? |
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| 14:35.21 | jelly | repxl: mysql -p |
| 14:35.23 | blockh34d | ziro yah i had good luck with ubuntu in the past, until it blew up one day |
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| 14:35.46 | blockh34d | repxl: what does "mysql -u root test" do? |
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| 14:36.22 | HicksD | blockh34d: Easiest method is to install debian which is "stable" version. You can pick a suitable desktop env depending on your hardware during installation (or later) such as xfce, kde, gnome etc |
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| 14:36.47 | HicksD | then if you need newer packages either use backports or upgrade your installation to the testing or unstable version |
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| 14:37.13 | jelly | blockh34d: repxl is not typing the right command, "using password: NO" means he didn't -p |
| 14:37.35 | blockh34d | HicksD: ok great thanks, do you have one of htose desktops you like better than others? |
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| 14:37.50 | HicksD | Yes, but my reasons may not align with yours :) |
| 14:37.59 | HicksD | I run xfce, others prefer kde, gnome and so on |
| 14:38.18 | HicksD | it's easy enough to install each and swap between to see which is a good fit for you though |
| 14:38.23 | blockh34d | i think i'm using xfce right now actually |
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| 14:38.33 | blockh34d | on an unmentionalble platform |
| 14:39.07 | blockh34d | lol pi's sure catch a lotta grief, oh well guess it comes with the territory |
| 14:39.14 | jpinx | jmcnaught: I got my jessie.vdi mounted and now running LINE in wine ;) a bit clunky but better than the clunky vm which munched ram and cycles much more |
| 14:39.56 | jelly | jpinx: does audio (mic) work? |
| 14:40.22 | jmcnaught | repxl: an easier way to change a forgotten MySQL root password: "dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.5" and it will prompt you for the new password |
| 14:40.50 | jpinx | jelly: not sure -- still testing |
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| 14:43.35 | jpinx | runninx X things in a chroot is proving clunky - they freeze a lot |
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| 14:45.11 | jpinx | it did an aptitude update and upgrade seemingly ok -- but not sure if my host system has survived the experience with things being mounted --bind |
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| 14:50.12 | zafu | hi, do I need a utf8 locale to see russian chars in xterm? |
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| 14:50.40 | jmcnaught | jpinx: it's probably okay. i'm glad you made some progress with the issue |
| 14:50.42 | Voyager82 | I've used the vacuum procedure on my Firefox, and it seems working, so far. Let's see. :) Upon what principle does it work? |
| 14:51.52 | jmcnaught | Voyager82: you're not using Iceweasel? For Firefox support on IRC you'll probably get better help by checking here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/IRC |
| 14:52.55 | Voyager82 | jmcnaught, I'm using Iceweasel on another PC, where I have a "straight" version of Debian installed. |
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| 14:53.39 | jmcnaught | jpinx: one thing i've been meaning to try re: X in chroot is http://xpra.org/ but I'm not sure if it would help with the issues you're having. |
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| 14:53.51 | jmcnaught | Voyager82: so this is your "broken" version of Debian? |
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| 14:55.38 | Voyager82 | I'm using Ubuntu on this PC. That is mostly based on Debian, as far as I know. :) I was thinking of installing a "pure" version of Debian on this PC, but I discovered that I was to "lazy" to back up all the data. I'm trying to find a way to solve the problem now, the best I can using Ubuntu. :) |
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| 14:56.12 | jmcnaught | Voyager82: if you're using Ubuntu you should get support in #ubuntu |
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| 14:56.55 | Voyager82 | jmcnaught, I think you're right. :) |
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| 14:57.31 | jpinx | jmcnaught: I'll take a look at that -- meantime I'm testing the .vdi as a vm |
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| 15:00.05 | jmcnaught | jelly: the instructions in the ifmrp factoid could probably be replaced with "dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.5" which accomplishes the same thing (i've tested this twice in a container to be sure) |
| 15:00.08 | jpinx | jmcnaught: Xpra looks like another client-server system for connections over a LAN rather than just into a chroot |
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| 15:00.51 | jmcnaught | jpinx: as yes.. i think i was planning on using for X inside an LXC container which is a little different |
| 15:01.05 | jelly | jmcnaught: possibly for wheezy and above, if debian-maint account works, yes |
| 15:01.07 | jpinx | jmcnaught: I'm trying to do this with the minimum rescources penalty on my old eeepc ;) |
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| 15:02.07 | jpinx | jmcnaught: using qemu-utils was the least imposition |
| 15:03.59 | jpinx | hmm.. now the .vdi drops me into initramfs prompt instead of booting |
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| 15:06.31 | jpinx | I'll clone the original again and try again. I reckon it's because of mount --bind before chroot-ing |
| 15:07.10 | jpinx | complaining about missing /dev/xxx which only existed temporarily on the host |
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| 15:14.44 | hexorg | Hey guys, I'm new to Debian, but I've been on gentoo for a while. apt complains that dpkg had errors, but I can't seem to fing any logs with actual errors. |
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| 15:15.19 | hexorg | How can I find more info about "dpkg: error processing $PACK_NAME" ? |
| 15:15.52 | babilen | hexorg: Which command did you run and could you paste the *entire* output of that to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 15:16.16 | hexorg | babilen, apt-get upgrade |
| 15:16.39 | babilen | hexorg: so, paste the output to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link :) |
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| 15:16.54 | Rackmount | Greetings. Is there a way to disable showing icons in buttons for KDE applications while not explicitly using KDE. In other words, I have Xfce4 in use as my DE, however, I run several KDE applications. I would like for the buttons in file dialogues, and other elements like that to not display an icon for the buttons. |
| 15:17.10 | jpinx | hexorg: could be useful to check your sources.list too ;) |
| 15:17.38 | Rackmount | qt4config does not seem to have any options available to affect this. |
| 15:17.57 | hexorg | There's barely any output, just says Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/openssl_1.0.1e-2+deb7u11_amd64.deb |
| 15:18.44 | jpinx | hexorg: did you run update before upgrade ? |
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| 15:19.08 | hexorg | jpinx, yes, here's sources.list http://sprunge.us/NjQh |
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| 15:19.38 | babilen | hexorg: May I still see the entire output? |
| 15:19.41 | babilen | ... |
| 15:19.51 | hexorg | babilen, yeah, give me a sec |
| 15:20.19 | Aias | is it possible (good/bad practice?) to make a group of users with home directories in sub-directories of another user? |
| 15:20.50 | centrx | Sounds bad |
| 15:21.20 | Rackmount | Aias: overall that sounds like an unwise thing to do, but I guess it would depend upon how much you trust that user who would be housing the other users. |
| 15:21.21 | hexorg | babilen, http://sprunge.us/ODXi |
| 15:21.25 | babilen | hexorg: Did you ever install packages from deb http://free.nchc.org.tw/debian wheezy main restricted universe multiverse ? |
| 15:21.37 | hexorg | babilen, yes I did |
| 15:21.53 | babilen | hexorg: "cannot copy extracted data for './etc/ssl/openssl.cnf' to '/etc/ssl/openssl.cnf.dpkg-new': failed to write (No space left on device)" |
| 15:21.58 | babilen | hexorg: Your disk is full |
| 15:22.17 | Aias | Rackmount: the aim will be to have several FTP user accounts that 1 'supervisory' user can manage the files of (also via FTP) |
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| 15:22.24 | babilen | hexorg: That looks like a horribly unsupported and weird repository. I would recommend against using it. |
| 15:22.54 | Aias | Rackmount: trust i think is not an issue. the data/files will always be needed only temporarily |
| 15:22.56 | repxl | jmcnaught i know my password... |
| 15:23.00 | babilen | hexorg: Greetings to Taiwan though :) |
| 15:23.08 | Aias | i'll give it a go :) |
| 15:23.14 | repxl | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 15:23.17 | repxl | on mysql p |
| 15:23.21 | repxl | btw i know my password |
| 15:23.25 | repxl | but it don't even ask for it |
| 15:23.30 | centrx | That's what they all say |
| 15:23.48 | Rackmount | Aias: In that case, the only remaining hurdle is, will this work properly. I've never tested this, so I can't tell you one way or the other. But it *sounds* feasible. |
| 15:24.37 | centrx | I would expect the parent would not have permissions in the child home directories |
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| 15:24.40 | ChrisH | repxl: Please show the full command and response on paste.debian.net include dpkg -l mysql\* |
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| 15:25.00 | Aias | centrx: yes, perhaps they should all be members of the same group |
| 15:25.12 | centrx | Aias, It all comes to permissions in the end, so you might as well leave the home directories in their usual place |
| 15:25.49 | centrx | Aias, Maybe put the subordinate home directories in the same group, but only the supervisor belongs to that group |
| 15:26.08 | centrx | Aias, Otherwise all the users would share access to their siblings |
| 15:26.17 | Aias | centrx: oh, that is a good idea! ;) |
| 15:26.26 | jelly | repxl: you're still not writing the correct command, there's a minus sign in front of p |
| 15:26.49 | jelly | repxl: well, there SHOULD be. "mysql -p" |
| 15:26.56 | repxl | jelly |
| 15:26.57 | repxl | lol |
| 15:26.58 | repxl | fixed |
| 15:27.00 | repxl | problem |
| 15:27.01 | repxl | hahahahahaha |
| 15:27.03 | jelly | !enter |
| 15:27.03 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 15:27.04 | centrx | Aias, There are also more advanced permissions systems, called ACL |
| 15:27.11 | repxl | fu cking mysql sry for vulgar |
| 15:27.25 | jelly | repxl: told you about that half an hour ago |
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| 15:27.54 | Aias | centrx: and SELinux, but i'm still getting to grips with the basics :) |
| 15:27.59 | hexorg | babilen, ugh... that's what I get for trusting root to another admin :( |
| 15:28.09 | repxl | jelly sry was watching movie ty for tell it again ... have fun u solved my probelms |
| 15:28.24 | centrx | Is that English |
| 15:28.26 | jelly | !next |
| 15:28.26 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 15:28.44 | ChrisH | Aias: consider using proftpd, there you can have different "external" users beeing mapped to the same "internal"=filesystem user. And still keep in mind FTP is unsecure. |
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| 15:28.48 | jelly | centrx: well, this isn't exactly ##English |
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| 15:30.31 | asterismo | hi prople |
| 15:30.37 | asterismo | i need help |
| 15:30.53 | ChrisH | !ask |
| 15:30.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:30.59 | asterismo | i was upgrading a server through SSH and my remote PC was suddenly shutdown |
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| 15:31.28 | asterismo | so the server remained with my session |
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| 15:31.57 | asterismo | and now in another SSH session i want to upgrade and it says there is another sesion, lock and stuff |
| 15:32.09 | asterismo | how can i fix this? |
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| 15:33.58 | asterismo | anyone??? |
| 15:34.29 | tugrik | what's the specific error you're seeing? |
| 15:34.31 | jmcnaught | asterismo: patience grasshopper. were you running this inside of a screen session? |
| 15:34.44 | asterismo | no |
| 15:34.49 | asterismo | directly a SSH session |
| 15:35.01 | asterismo | but now a ps aux | grep apt-get |
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| 15:35.13 | asterismo | returns an "apt-get upgrade" process |
| 15:35.37 | asterismo | it still upgrading? or that task is now freeze, maybe waiting for user feedback |
| 15:35.54 | Aias | you could restart the ssh daemon. you'll get kicked out of the system, but so should that other connection.. |
| 15:35.56 | asterismo | should i kill that process and perform a dpkg --configure -a?? |
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| 15:36.13 | jmcnaught | asterismo: you'll probably need to stop that process and possibly remove the lock files. I'm not 100% sure the best process for this. In the future you should run remote apt-get upgrades inside of a screen session so you can reattach if you get disconnected |
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| 15:37.17 | ChrisH | asterismo: lets wait for someone else to recommend. but I would kill the apt-get process and re-run it from inside a screen session. Should continue smoothly |
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| 15:38.35 | wjtaylor | Software Update keeps saying "Could not get updates - Failed to process request". Under more details it says Operation was cancelled. How can I fix this? |
| 15:39.36 | centrx | wjtaylor, Are you sure you are using Debian? |
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| 15:40.23 | jpinx | asterismo: apt usually picks up from where it left off |
| 15:41.21 | jpinx | asterismo: I'd kill the process and run your aptitude in screen/tmux and it'll just continue |
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| 15:41.44 | jelly | wjtaylor: update manager? it doesn't work well in debian, use aptitude instead |
| 15:42.02 | wjtaylor | centrx: yes debian |
| 15:42.10 | jhutchins | wjtaylor: Would you like for us to walk you through manual updates from the command line? Those usually give much better feedback if there are problems. |
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| 15:42.40 | wjtaylor | jelly: I see that/ lol. Deb 7 kinda sucks IMHO. I wish I had stuck with 6 in oldstable. |
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| 15:43.10 | wjtaylor | juhutchins: How do I shut off update manager, just uninstall it? |
| 15:43.21 | wjtaylor | if I uninstall it, will I get prompted for updates? |
| 15:43.29 | wjtaylor | I still want to be prompted. |
| 15:43.39 | jelly | wjtaylor: right, squeeze seems to have two years more support with <squeeze-lts> |
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| 15:44.18 | wjtaylor | Maybe they'll add a rollback feature :) |
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| 15:44.39 | wjtaylor | jelly: Deb has LTS? |
| 15:44.43 | tugrik | wjtaylor: take a look at the "apticron" package, see if that does what you want |
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| 15:46.12 | wjtaylor | tugrik: jelly: jhutchins: Update-notifier (from squeeze) is still installed through the upgrade and it works... Are these conflicting? |
| 15:46.59 | cd | is it possible to get gdbserver setup to debug the linux kernel remotely? |
| 15:47.03 | jhutchins | wjtaylor: With what? |
| 15:47.20 | cd | # gdbserver :2345 vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 15:47.22 | cd | Process vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 created; pid = 4984 |
| 15:47.22 | cd | Cannot exec vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64: Exec format error. |
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| 15:47.54 | jhutchins | cd: Is this a vm? |
| 15:47.58 | cd | I can test gdbserver with sshd and connect with gdb with another host |
| 15:48.07 | cd | jhutchins: yes |
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| 15:48.48 | cd | debian server and my workstation is centos |
| 15:49.08 | jelly | wjtaylor: it's a very recent development, see /msg dpkg squeeze lts |
| 15:49.11 | jhutchins | cd: The error suggests an architecture problem - possibly trying to run 64b code on a 32b environment. |
| 15:49.34 | wjtaylor | jhutchins: is it conflicting with update manager. There seems to be two utilities for updates, Update Manager and Update-Notifier. No this is not a VM |
| 15:49.49 | wjtaylor | I probably would have reverted to 6 by now. |
| 15:50.19 | jelly | wjtaylor: I don't know about gnome-specific components, but update-notifier-kde seems to work here on wheezy in kde |
| 15:50.31 | cd | uname -a returns: Linux debian7 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:51.08 | jelly | wjtaylor: "works" as in I get kde notifications if there're updates available |
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| 15:51.44 | wjtaylor | I'm probably being overly harsh... 7 isn't horrible, but I have had more issues in 7 in about 6 months than I had in 4 years of squeez. |
| 15:51.49 | cd | gdbserver :2345 sshd (on debian server) works and on my workstation, (gdb) remote target <IP>:2345 connects to the debian server... |
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| 15:53.00 | cd | but when I attempted "gdbserver :2345 /tmp/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64" error...(I copied kernel to /tmp) |
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| 15:56.28 | jpinx | wjtaylor: why are you so anxious about updating? I believe many people only update/upgrade once a week |
| 15:57.47 | mjt | only? Many people (unfortunately) upgrade never... |
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| 15:58.01 | wjtaylor | jpinx: I'm not anxious about updating. Update manager keeps giving errors. I have update-notifier (which seems to be left over from squeeze) and that seems to be working. I wondering if I can get rid of one of them without issue. |
| 15:58.18 | wjtaylor | I think it may be why Update manager is not working... |
| 15:58.26 | wjtaylor | I don't know what else it affects though.. |
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| 15:58.55 | jpinx | wjtaylor: dpkg -l | grep update-notifier |
| 15:59.18 | jpinx | and see if you can remove/purge it |
| 16:00.18 | jpinx | wjtaylor: take a look with aptitude remove -s xxxxxx to simulate before you actually break your system (joking) |
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| 16:02.39 | wjtaylor | jpinx: it doesn't do anything |
| 16:03.13 | wjtaylor | It asks if I want to continue... but no simulation result |
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| 16:06.49 | jpinx | run those commands and paste the output ? |
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| 16:07.01 | jpinx | wjtaylor: ^^^ |
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| 16:14.21 | dhaval2712 | Does debian use inetd or something? |
| 16:15.54 | centrx | dhaval2712, I don't know what the default is, default might be No TCP Superserver |
| 16:16.00 | centrx | And...it's gone |
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| 16:17.51 | foreigner | hi |
| 16:17.58 | foreigner | is here anyone from wyoming, us? |
| 16:18.09 | wjtaylor | http://paste.debian.net/106379/ |
| 16:18.20 | wjtaylor | jpinx ^ |
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| 16:19.25 | jpinx | wjtaylor: hehe! Told you -s would be handy ;) |
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| 16:19.44 | jpinx | wjtaylor: looks like you're stuck with it |
| 16:20.06 | mjt | what does this {u} mean? |
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| 16:20.42 | mjt | it looks more like automatic removal of automatically installed packages which aren't needed anymore |
| 16:21.00 | mjt | what does `apt-get -s autoremove' say? |
| 16:21.10 | mjt | wjtaylor: ^^ |
| 16:21.20 | jpinx | wjtaylor: I find it hard to believe that aptitude wants to remove everything just because it's in the notifyer |
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| 16:22.00 | centrx | apt-get remove always tries to remove extra things. The command is nearly as dangerous as rm -rf. Use dpkg --purge |
| 16:22.23 | mjt | centrx: please stop spreading bullshit |
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| 16:22.41 | jpinx | centrx: not true |
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| 16:23.19 | centrx | It's pretty obviously true |
| 16:23.24 | jpinx | wjtaylor: is the offending notifier in init or services - so that it can be stopped ? |
| 16:23.28 | wjtaylor | mjt: http://paste.debian.net/106380/ |
| 16:23.29 | centrx | It removes all reverse dependencies of what you try to install |
| 16:23.34 | centrx | *remove |
| 16:23.35 | mjt | it doesn't |
| 16:23.39 | mjt | only autoremove does it |
| 16:23.58 | mjt | oh. well. yes. it does. because else these other packages will be broken |
| 16:24.07 | _boot | so. many. periods. |
| 16:24.18 | _boot | lol |
| 16:24.22 | mjt | and dpkg refuses to remove a package if some other package depends on it |
| 16:24.27 | centrx | Yes, that is exactly what I am saying, and it is dangerous. dpkg -r/--purge refuses to remove |
| 16:24.36 | Metaleer | mjt, even with --purge? |
| 16:24.40 | centrx | apt-get remove libc6 lists nearly every package for removal |
| 16:24.46 | mjt | sure |
| 16:24.48 | jelly-home | centrx: apt-get tries to keep the package state consistent |
| 16:25.07 | mjt | Metaleer: --purge has nothing to do with it |
| 16:25.13 | Metaleer | Aha. |
| 16:25.25 | wjtaylor | jpinx: Does update manager in 7 need update notifier? Does it try to to notify through Gnome 3... G3 is messing me up.. it's odd |
| 16:25.27 | mjt | it tells "how cleanly" to remove stuff, not WHICH stuff |
| 16:25.42 | Metaleer | I see. |
| 16:25.53 | mjt | wjtaylor: so that's exactly what I guessed |
| 16:26.08 | mjt | wjtaylor: all these packages has nothing to do with update-notifier |
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| 16:26.39 | mjt | wjtaylor: these are packages which were installed as dependency to some other packages you requested to be installed. In other words, these has been automatically installed. |
| 16:27.10 | mjt | wjtaylor: now, those other packages are not installed anymore on your system, OR they were upgraded and depend on other packages but not on these listed |
| 16:27.11 | jpinx | wjtaylor: no idea - I have no experience of it. if it can't be removed I'm stumped - apart from removing Gnome completely and using something handy like lxde ;) |
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| 16:27.57 | mjt | wjtaylor: so basically, from apt/aptitude point of view, all these packages are not needed. And indeed, there are lots of libraries listed in there, which really are not needed if apt/aptitude tells you so. |
| 16:27.59 | wjtaylor | mjt: so should I auto-remove? |
| 16:28.41 | mjt | wjtaylor: do you need gnome? |
| 16:28.47 | wjtaylor | I noticed in 7 it asks you for "safe updating" now... Debain packages/updates were always solid... |
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| 16:28.55 | jpinx | wjtaylor: you might try to get rid of orphans first |
| 16:28.59 | wjtaylor | mjt: I need another cup of coffee.. :) |
| 16:29.03 | mjt | wjtaylor: i mean, gnome desktop environment, whole of it |
| 16:29.22 | wjtaylor | Nah, this is the futue, might as well get used to it;. |
| 16:29.41 | mjt | wjtaylor: in that case, you can just let it do the work |
| 16:29.45 | jpinx | wjtaylor: fire a shot in it ;) |
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| 16:30.07 | mjt | wjtaylor: but again, this has nothing with update-notifier. You can remove it using apt-get remove -- that one wont remove other things |
| 16:30.09 | jpinx | wjtaylor: meantime, clean up any orphned packages |
| 16:30.23 | wjtaylor | jpinx: orphan -> autoremove? |
| 16:30.26 | mjt | that's what aptitude offers to do, actually |
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| 16:30.57 | jpinx | it's a huge and daunting list, but if you've not being tidy over time, it's likely correct |
| 16:31.01 | mjt | apt-get doesn't do that automatically (on "remove" operation), only on "autoremove" |
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| 16:31.26 | mjt | apt-get autoremove --purge should be fine |
| 16:31.26 | wjtaylor | So why the new "safe updates" |
| 16:31.28 | dFence | hey guys, I know it’s a shot in the dark, but maybe you can spot sth: why would this line in a Makefile target cause a segfault? file_list=$(dri_LTLIBRARIES:%.la=.libs/%.$(LIB_EXT)*); |
| 16:31.39 | wjtaylor | It basially asks to orphan packages... |
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| 16:32.18 | mjt | dFence: segfault of what -- make? |
| 16:32.22 | dFence | mjt: yup |
| 16:32.25 | jpinx | mjt: aptitude might be more transparent than apt-get |
| 16:32.39 | dFence | mjt: I get „/bin/bash: line 17: 13782 Segmentation fault file_list+=.libs/kgsl_dri.so* .libs/msm_dri.so*“ |
| 16:32.53 | dFence | (sorry, ignore the „+“) |
| 16:33.16 | mjt | heh |
| 16:33.25 | mjt | dFence: you're trying to run a makefile using bash not make |
| 16:33.43 | dFence | mjt: I’m running make clean all, one sec, ill pastebin the entire target |
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| 16:34.26 | dFence | mjt: http://paste.debian.net/106386/ |
| 16:34.28 | mjt | bash it telling you there's a segmentation fault in line 17 |
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| 16:34.53 | mjt | oh ma |
| 16:35.05 | dFence | it’s the „ln“ bit, but I can’t see the reason |
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| 16:35.52 | mjt | dFence: so what is that file_list+= thing? |
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| 16:36.20 | dFence | I guess it collects all the files that are to be linked in the if-sequence |
| 16:36.27 | mjt | this is shell |
| 16:36.29 | mjt | running by bash |
| 16:36.40 | mjt | but shell does not have += construct |
| 16:36.48 | mjt | make does, shell doesn't |
| 16:37.34 | dFence | mjt: but it’s the first file_list line (#8 in the PB) that throws the error |
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| 16:39.24 | mjt | well |
| 16:39.29 | mjt | i can imagine why |
| 16:40.12 | dFence | ? |
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| 16:40.18 | mjt | if the shell pattern expands to >1 file, and whole thing is without quotes like in there, |
| 16:40.35 | mjt | it becomes, like, file_list=.lib/foo .libs/bar |
| 16:40.41 | dFence | yup |
| 16:40.56 | mjt | which means, assign variable file_list value .lib/foo and RUN .libs/bar |
| 16:41.06 | dFence | isn’t ln capable of handling sth like this? |
| 16:41.13 | dFence | sorry, otp |
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| 16:41.38 | mjt | from line 8 and down it is a complete nonsense |
| 16:42.08 | mjt | it is a mix of broken shell and make |
| 16:42.20 | petern_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.24 | petern_ | nice :) |
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| 16:47.43 | unclezipper | I'm trying to run a few different websites with Apache. One of them uses mod_rewrite to make all connections go through https. I'm using e107 which does some stuff with AJAX that doesn't work right under https, leading me to think my Apache config is all messed up. Can anyone lend a hand? |
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| 16:55.16 | Endiannes | . |
| 16:55.42 | stevelitt | Weird. Old Ubuntu box is 192.168.100.2. New Debian box is 192.168.100.4. nmap -A -T4 192.168.100.4 gives a "Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -Pn" when the command is executed on 192.168.100.4, but it shows ports 22, 80, 111, 143 and 993 open when given from 192.168.100.2. |
| 16:55.52 | stevelitt | Experiments with 192.168.100.4 local Claws-mail, telnet, and openssl give similar results, like the computer is turned off. I'm suspecting it's either a firewall issue, or it's a problem caused by my changing the hostname after installation. |
| 16:56.26 | Endiannes | hey guys, i did dist-upgrade and i think something broke gnome (not sure if its actually gnome since I use a different window manager), my nm-applet, gnome-sound-applet and gnome-power-manager stopped working, also vim and gvim seem to be removed |
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| 16:57.56 | mtn | Endiannes: dist upgrade from what to what? |
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| 16:58.06 | Endiannes | i think it was 7.4 to 7.5 |
| 16:58.21 | mtn | Endiannes: nothing but stable in your sources.list? |
| 16:58.33 | Endiannes | yes, stable and wheezy in sources.list |
| 16:58.48 | Endiannes | no jessie/testing/unstable |
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| 16:59.29 | mtn | Endiannes: so you didn't actually check what was going to be removed when you did the dist-upgrade? |
| 16:59.45 | sandman13 | what happened? |
| 17:00.07 | mtn | Endiannes: and, gnome is not broken in stable |
| 17:00.09 | Endiannes | i honestly didnt think it would remove gnome... you know, considering its debians default dwm |
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| 17:01.06 | Endiannes | @mtn so if its not gnome what could be reason nm-applet and other gnome applets stopped working? |
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| 17:01.28 | Endiannes | also i can't log into the gnome shell, my .xinitrc launches awesome-wm, but if I remove .xinitrc gnome says it cant start |
| 17:01.37 | unclezipper | stevelitt: It's probably not a hostname change, but be sure you updated /etc/hosts as well and restart networking. It would likely complain of a failed DNS lookup if it were a hostname change |
| 17:01.51 | mtn | Endiannes: don't know for sure. are they still installed? maybe you need to reinstall gnome |
| 17:02.24 | Endiannes | so i just sudo apt-get install gnome? |
| 17:02.36 | mtn | Endiannes: please paste your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net and give us the link |
| 17:03.01 | Endiannes | ok lemme just log back into debian (coouldnt get wifi working since nm-applet doesnt work) |
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| 17:03.03 | centrx | Endiannes, First step is to make sure the upgrade happened properly/that the package system is in a good state |
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| 17:03.17 | Endiannes | i will be back in a min and post logs |
| 17:03.19 | centrx | Endiannes, Otherwise, you can just reinstall anything that was uninstalled. |
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| 17:04.50 | cipher___ | openssh freezes after 3-5 minutes of use, when I'm doing something with lots of traffic (like forwarding x-11) it fails in seconds |
| 17:05.16 | petern_ | cipher___, possibly an mtu issue |
| 17:05.34 | unclezipper | cipher___: I'm sorry, I'll stop |
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| 17:06.03 | cipher___ | petern_: can i remedy this somehow? |
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| 17:09.31 | jpinx | jmcnaught: I'm on the slow trail of getting a .vdi that's chroot-able with X and doesn't fall over as a vm ;) |
| 17:09.42 | jpinx | first attempt failed badly |
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| 17:27.44 | dFence | mjt: just checked the corresponding Makefile in a different subfolder and the target is identical |
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| 17:31.46 | cypherman | hi people |
| 17:31.47 | cypherman | question |
| 17:32.09 | cypherman | whats the main difference between stable abnd testing? |
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| 17:32.40 | cypherman | I'm running Debian 7 KDE wheezy and ii found many apps not working properly and always the solution is installing a recent version |
| 17:32.48 | cypherman | so i'm considering upgrading to testing |
| 17:32.53 | cypherman | is it worth the risk? |
| 17:33.38 | cypherman | It is my personal workstation, i have installed Matlab, LabView, QToctave... etc |
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| 17:33.50 | Endiannes | hey, sorry for the delay (im the guy with broken gnome after dist-upgrade), something strange happened, i installed wicd and it started doing something... for a long time, and this magically fixed my nm-applet and pulseaudio |
| 17:33.58 | cypherman | but KMail is not working properly, Reqonk also |
| 17:34.10 | Endiannes | any idea what it could have done? it said something about rebooting the kernel and updating languages |
| 17:34.18 | cypherman | does testing has broken packages? |
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| 17:36.20 | cypherman | i mean broken dependencies? |
| 17:36.25 | cypherman | anyone? |
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| 17:36.58 | ctmjr | dpkg: tell cypherman about -testing |
| 17:37.26 | ctmjr | dpkg: tell cypherman about testing |
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| 17:38.12 | babilen | cypherman: You probably also want to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html -- testing has certain idiosyncrasies such as package removals and missing security support which is why I would also recommend to run a testing/unstable mix in the vein of "/msg dpkg tum" |
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| 17:40.44 | stevelitt | unclezipper and everyone else: <SOLVED by workaround>, it turned out that interface lo was wrong, and I needed to ifdown it and then ifup it to cure the problem. Also note that, when booted, the computer needs ifup eth0 to do networking. |
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| 17:41.23 | stevelitt | Now Claws-Mail communicates with the local dovecot. |
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| 17:45.04 | Endiannes | I think installing wicd internally ran sudo dpkg --configure -a, which fixed all my problems, could this be the case? |
| 17:45.42 | dFence | mjt: putting the file=$(blah) in quotes solved it oO |
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| 17:47.57 | jhutchins | stevelitt: If you configure eth0 correctly in /etc/network/interfaces it should come up automatically. |
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| 17:49.07 | RoyK | stevelitt: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:50.01 | bocaneri | Debian 6, running KDE: very little sound watching movies with mplayer or xine; acceptably loud sound with vlc. Why? |
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| 17:53.14 | sandman13 | bocaneri: ALSA or PulseAudio? |
| 17:53.30 | bocaneri | Pulse, similar results with alsa and oss. |
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| 17:54.55 | sandman13 | bocaneri: have you tried setting mixer to about 80% and above? |
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| 17:55.08 | bocaneri | amixer set max. |
| 17:55.23 | bocaneri | Seems like I was getting sound last week, now I'm getting none. |
| 17:55.28 | bocaneri | (except through vlc) |
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| 17:58.44 | sandman13 | bocaneri: have you tried these? https://wiki.debian.org/en/PulseAudio#Solving_Problems |
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| 18:03.14 | bocaneri | That worked very nicely. I now have zero sound in mplayer. |
| 18:03.40 | bocaneri | In fact, I now have zero sound. |
| 18:04.09 | Endiannes | see if its running, ps aux | grep pulseaudio |
| 18:05.00 | Endiannes | bocaneri i had the same problem 30 minutes ago, my pulseaudio didnt work at all, and changing audio in alsamixer did nothing... it all magically fixed itself after dpkg reconfigured itself |
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| 18:05.16 | Endiannes | i still dont understand how/why any of this happened |
| 18:05.19 | sandman13 | I had similar issues with ALSA, autoremoved alsa, purged the setting, rebooted and reinstalled it now it works fine |
| 18:05.47 | bocaneri | Endianness, what did you do to get dpkg to reconfigure? |
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| 18:07.53 | sandman13 | bocaneri: apt-get install --reinstall pulseaudio might do the trick |
| 18:08.01 | Endiannes | @bocaneri im not 100% sure (nobody heres has answered me yet), but I think it was sudo dpkg --configure -a |
| 18:08.27 | Endiannes | it fixed a lot of things, including pulseaudio |
| 18:08.31 | jelly-home | sandman13: reinstalling without good reason does NOT solve problems |
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| 18:08.44 | jelly-home | sometimes, not often, it works around them |
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| 18:09.55 | bocaneri | Grr, have to attack this problem later. I'm short on time. |
| 18:10.19 | jelly-home | bocaneri: I _think_ vlc recognizes 5.1 sound and applies +12dB when downsampling to stereo |
| 18:10.29 | jelly-home | mplayer does not |
| 18:10.36 | bocaneri | I know it can force volume up to "200%". |
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| 18:11.13 | jelly-home | yeah, but its 100% sounds louder as well |
| 18:12.00 | bocaneri | This blows - zero sound at all. |
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| 18:12.13 | jelly-home | it blows quietly |
| 18:12.18 | Endiannes | vlc can go way beyond 200%, just do vlc file --volume 1000 |
| 18:12.26 | Endiannes | but it caps certain frequencies and is bad for the speakers |
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| 18:13.04 | jelly-home | bocaneri: which DE are you using, for a start? pulseaudio version in squeeze was somewhat unstable |
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| 18:13.18 | bocaneri | KDE. |
| 18:13.20 | jelly-home | same for its version of pavucontrol |
| 18:13.20 | sandman13 | jelly-home: he is using KDE |
| 18:13.39 | jelly-home | bocaneri: is there, or is there not, a pulseaudio process running at present time? |
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| 18:13.55 | bocaneri | Oh, I'm an ass... the movies I'm playing them are on a Debian server, but what's not giving sound is my Ubuntu laptop. This is the wrong channel, and I apologise. |
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| 18:14.07 | bocaneri | Ubuntu 12.04, to be precise. |
| 18:14.09 | Endiannes | @__@ |
| 18:14.16 | jelly-home | !pal bocaneri |
| 18:14.16 | dpkg | points at bocaneri and laughs hysterically |
| 18:14.17 | sandman13 | waaaaaaaaaat? |
| 18:14.40 | bocaneri | I keep forgetting because I spend a lot of my computer-bound life at a bunch of Konsoles. |
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| 18:15.09 | sandman13 | it's okay for human to make mistakes :D |
| 18:15.39 | Endiannes | errare humanum est |
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| 18:17.34 | unclezipper | stevelitt: Unless you want to do it manually, you can edit /etc/networking/interfaces to allow eth0 to come up automatically |
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| 18:19.32 | meek_geek | does debian support i5 4200U/M based Laptop ? how is performance of Intel 4600 HD graphics ? |
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| 18:19.56 | bocaneri | heh... for what it's worth, though, re-installing pulseaudio worked. |
| 18:20.38 | jelly-home | bocaneri: that's because you're _not_ on Debian |
| 18:21.02 | RoyK | Endiannes: Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare |
| 18:21.04 | sandman13 | jelly-home: do you use amarok? |
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| 18:21.19 | jelly-home | bocaneri: pavucontrol goes well with pulseaudio |
| 18:21.34 | jelly-home | sandman13: no, switched to clementine a couple years back |
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| 18:21.54 | jelly-home | it's an amarok 1.4 lookalike |
| 18:22.28 | sandman13 | jelly-home: okay then |
| 18:23.16 | jelly-home | ,i clementine |
| 18:23.17 | judd | Package clementine (sound, optional) in wheezy/i386: modern music player and library organizer. Version: 1.0.1+dfsg-2+b1; Size: 4384.1k; Installed: 11367k; Homepage: http://www.clementine-player.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/clementine |
| 18:24.28 | sandman13 | okay I might try that |
| 18:24.37 | unclezipper | meek_geek: If it uses an x86/x86-64 architecture, Debian should run on it. In other words, yes. Intel graphics performance is good |
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| 18:25.05 | bocaneri | I never knew about pavucontrol... thanks! |
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| 18:25.30 | sandman13 | few things don't work well with KDE 4.8.4, which makes me want to switch from Debian but I don't get anything this stable |
| 18:25.35 | sandman13 | elsewhere |
| 18:25.50 | pinumbernumber | (#debian-next is dead) Is it likely that Cinnamon will be functional on sid any time soon? It looks abandoned; https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=720466 |
| 18:25.56 | unclezipper | sandman13: Try XFCE? |
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| 18:26.18 | jpinx | sandman13: I use lxde |
| 18:26.36 | jelly-home | pinumbernumber: #debian-next is on irc.debian.org / irc.oftc.net not here |
| 18:26.38 | towo` | pinumbernumber, #debian-next is on oftc and is not dead |
| 18:26.43 | sandman13 | unclezipper: I like KDE XFCE is my second favourite |
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| 18:28.00 | unclezipper | sandman13: I have a soft spot for KDE too... it's just too big for most of my hardware. I like it more than any of the other popular DE's, save XFCE |
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| 18:28.34 | Endiannes | unclezipper: have you tried awesome? :D |
| 18:28.57 | unclezipper | Endiannes: Never heard of it. How is it? |
| 18:29.02 | Endiannes | i love it |
| 18:29.05 | sandman13 | Endiannes: awesome is awesome if you can customize it |
| 18:29.09 | Endiannes | yeah |
| 18:29.12 | sandman13 | same with Openbox |
| 18:29.13 | Endiannes | thats true |
| 18:29.34 | sandman13 | better than i3 imo |
| 18:29.39 | jelly-home | has xfce at home and kde at work and both have working 2d-grid pagers |
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| 18:29.50 | Endiannes | yeah i dont get the i3 hype |
| 18:29.54 | Endiannes | awesome all the way |
| 18:29.57 | ScottE_ | I think i3 is better - but clearly it's a subjective choice |
| 18:30.29 | meek_geek | unclezipper, ok thanks I just wanted to know if Debian can run latest processors |
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| 18:30.44 | Endiannes | i think once you spent some time customizing your wm (awesome/i3/whatever else) you don't want to switch to any other wm |
| 18:30.50 | teraflops | xmonad > i3 > awesome |
| 18:30.52 | adam_ | hello all |
| 18:31.08 | Endiannes | teraflops: haskell lover detected |
| 18:31.10 | ScottE_ | xmonad is great if you want to write your own, but... haskell... |
| 18:31.13 | unclezipper | Endiannes: It looks good from what I can see. Maybe I'll put it on my aging laptop. It's got a T2300, so it's struggling a bit, even with XFCE on top of Openbox |
| 18:31.19 | adam_ | Does anyone have a second for a quick very general, non technical question regarding GTK? |
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| 18:31.36 | teraflops | yep but i really dislike awesome simply by calling itself awesome Endiannes |
| 18:31.50 | unclezipper | meek_geek: You might want to try Debian jessie, wheezy might not have drivers for the newest wi-fi adapters and such |
| 18:31.50 | Endiannes | i dont like the name awesome too, hard to google |
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| 18:32.17 | unclezipper | meek_geek: I've had that problem before when installing on an MSI gaming laptop for a client |
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| 18:32.36 | unclezipper | Endiannes: "Awesome window manager" does the trick |
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| 18:33.12 | unclezipper | But they really could have chosen a better name... |
| 18:33.28 | pinumbernumber | jelly-home: towo` : no I was on the correct network. no talk for 45mins is pretty dead |
| 18:33.42 | Endiannes | using adjectives as names for software should be forbidden under intergalactic law |
| 18:34.01 | teraflops | i3 is so so easy to setup (3 answers) anfd you get a working wm |
| 18:34.24 | teraflops | xmonad is the opposite |
| 18:34.53 | teraflops | but anyway Endiannes dont you think the name is pretentious? |
| 18:35.01 | Endiannes | teraflops: yep |
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| 18:36.04 | unclezipper | Hey, does anyone know where to start looking if my mail server can't send mail to Gmail, Yahoo, etc.? I'm running Postfix. |
| 18:36.05 | Endiannes | could have gun with "hwm" - humble window manager :D |
| 18:36.18 | teraflops | unclezipper: rdns? |
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| 18:36.45 | unclezipper | teraflops: What is this magic rdns |
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| 18:38.03 | teraflops | unclezipper: test here |
| 18:38.14 | teraflops | unclezipper: test here http://mxtoolbox.com/ |
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| 18:38.57 | teraflops | heh Endiannes |
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| 18:39.20 | towo` | pinumbernumber, because you havn't asked anything |
| 18:39.35 | unclezipper | teraflops: it appears as if I forgot to add an MX record |
| 18:39.41 | teraflops | uhm |
| 18:39.46 | unclezipper | Maybe I should do that |
| 18:39.48 | towo` | pinumbernumber, it's a supportchannel and if no one has a problem, what should be talked |
| 18:39.58 | pinumbernumber | towo`: I did ask. |
| 18:40.01 | teraflops | may be unclezipper .... |
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| 18:40.23 | pinumbernumber | I guess no-one knew, so I thought I'd try here too is all |
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| 18:48.00 | n-st | during a kernel upgrade (3.2 → 3.14 from wheezy-backports), my server complains about "Possible missing firmware" for the modules e100 and r8169. my ethernet interface is an Intel 82574L, so i shouldn't need those modules anyway, right? |
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| 18:53.30 | unclezipper | teraflops: That didn't seem to resolve anything. Messages fail to send when it gets to EHLO |
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| 18:54.24 | unclezipper | n-st: If it doesn't affect the operation of your machine, I wouldn't worry about it |
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| 18:54.38 | unclezipper | Though if you want to be formal you could probably get the firmware |
| 18:54.46 | teraflops | so seting up an mx record has nothing to deal with a smtp server? |
| 18:55.07 | n-st | unclezipper: i wanted to be sure if it could cause any issues before rebooting the server |
| 18:55.12 | teraflops | unclezipper: please post the errors |
| 18:55.39 | unclezipper | n-st: I'll look into it for you |
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| 18:56.21 | n-st | unclezipper: and apparently it did the server doesn't seem to boot anymore, even though i installed firmware-{linux-nonfree,netxen,realtek}
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| 18:58.20 | unclezipper | teraflops: I see what the issue is now... Gmail is getting my ISP's hostname for my IP address rather than the hostname I want. |
| 18:58.40 | unclezipper | I probably should have mentioned but I'm running this out of my house |
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| 18:59.35 | teraflops | unclezipper: rdo you remember the rdns ? |
| 18:59.38 | teraflops | do* |
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| 19:00.18 | teraflops | aldo do you have a domain name unclezipper |
| 19:00.20 | teraflops | ? |
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| 19:00.30 | unclezipper | n-st: You said you installed firmware-realtek? |
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| 19:00.49 | n-st | unclezipper: yes, but it still reported some realtek firmware files as missing during the upgrade |
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| 19:00.54 | unclezipper | teraflops: Yes, I remember rdns. That resolved fine. The domain is teknoresearch.com |
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| 19:02.21 | unclezipper | n-st: Can you boot in single-user mode? |
| 19:02.21 | teraflops | and resolves to the inverse? unclezipper |
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| 19:03.13 | unclezipper | teraflops: It resolves correctly, but this shows up in my logs when I try to send an email to outside |
| 19:03.26 | unclezipper | Jun 23 02:18:32 unclezipper postfix/smtpd[23697]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 99-170-167-222.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net[99.170.167.222]: 554 5.7.1 <erick.v.zipper@gmail.com>: Relay access denied; from=<dustin@teknoresearch.com> to=<erick.v.zipper@gmail.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<dustin-dell> |
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| 19:04.12 | teraflops | sorry i might speak chinese |
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| 19:04.32 | teraflops | unclezipper: http://ix.io/d6T |
| 19:04.38 | RoyK | teraflops: you *might*? |
| 19:05.03 | n-st | unclezipper: the faulty server is in a datacenter and i have no remote access to it other than ssh and a rather limited web interface |
| 19:05.24 | n-st | unclezipper: i'll try their rescue system :/ |
| 19:05.54 | unclezipper | n-st: Oh wow... Its it a VPS or dedicated? |
| 19:06.27 | n-st | unclezipper: dedicated. first dedicated i've rented, actually. |
| 19:06.42 | teraflops | it dosent matter what matters is to set up a dns ptr register unclezipper |
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| 19:07.10 | unclezipper | teraflops: That seems similar to mine |
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| 19:07.26 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 19:07.26 | unclezipper | Can I try sending an email to you? |
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| 19:08.07 | teraflops | yep unclezipper look at the pm |
| 19:08.20 | bobort | Please help, I have an Asus pce-n10(rtl8188ce) and I'm trying to install the asus linux driver but I have to build it and there's no Make on my fresh install (7.5). I have no way of connecting to a wired network. How can I install the driver? |
| 19:08.28 | unclezipper | n-st: Sounds like a sticky situation you're in.... sorry I couldn't help much |
| 19:08.50 | n-st | unclezipper: the rescue system's online now, i should be able to fix it from there |
| 19:08.54 | n-st | thanks anyway :) |
| 19:09.20 | bobort | *network card |
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| 19:12.37 | unclezipper | bobort: Do you have another computer? |
| 19:13.09 | masoudd | He must have. How else is he talking to us now? |
| 19:13.32 | bobort | Yes I'm on it now. |
| 19:13.36 | unclezipper | masoudd: Telekinesis, duh |
| 19:13.42 | bobort | hehe |
| 19:13.50 | masoudd | I always forget that |
| 19:13.59 | unclezipper | You can try to download the files you need and transfer them with a USB drive |
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| 19:15.16 | bobort | I've done that but the install requires Make on the system and when I tried it I get "Make: command not found" |
| 19:15.45 | masoudd | Install make! |
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| 19:16.14 | unclezipper | You can put make and its dependencies on the flash dive as well |
| 19:16.45 | unclezipper | Or compile it on the other computer and put the binaries on the flash drive |
| 19:16.51 | RoyK | bobort: apt-get install build-essential |
| 19:17.21 | bobort | okay thank you |
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| 19:22.40 | dongus1 | iceweasel crashed and now all my windows are glued to the top left |
| 19:22.47 | dongus1 | it's like I'm using a tiling window manager |
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| 19:23.13 | dongus1 | I rebooted and it's still like this |
| 19:24.48 | lord_rob | Isn't there a resize option with your Window manager (for example with kde if I click on the upper left corner of the app I have the resize option) |
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| 19:25.45 | dongus1 | Im on lxde. Even if I click the minimize all windows button nothing happens |
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| 19:26.01 | LordDeath | is "service XXX restart" the same as "/etc/init.d/XXX restart"? |
| 19:26.10 | Luxxi | yes |
| 19:26.13 | LordDeath | and how will this change will systemd? |
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| 19:28.12 | lord_rob | the last resort option I can tell you is to delete your firefox config and start over dongus1 but of course it's not what you'd prefer ... (so make a backup if you choose to try that) |
| 19:28.36 | lord_rob | s/firefox/iceweasel |
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| 19:29.41 | dongus1 | lord_rob: what data will I lose with that |
| 19:29.52 | dongus1 | btw even the terminal is glued to the top left |
| 19:30.26 | lord_rob | hmm so it's not an iceweasel problem then |
| 19:30.28 | abrotman | (move it out of the way, not delete) |
| 19:30.47 | abrotman | dongus1: your WM crashed, restart it from a termianl |
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| 19:31.17 | dongus1 | Well I rebooted shouldnt that have restarted the WM? |
| 19:31.35 | lord_rob | should have |
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| 19:32.25 | dongus1 | Ok I know I need to do 'killall -SIGHUP <wmname>' |
| 19:32.48 | dongus1 | I'm on lxde so it's openbox right? But putting openbox as my wmname doesnt work |
| 19:33.12 | lord_rob | try to backup (rename as abrotman says) your lxde config and restart X |
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| 19:33.57 | dongus1 | where is the config |
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| 19:34.12 | linuxthefish | hi, how can i get a working ssh tunnel on linux? |
| 19:34.12 | lord_rob | dunno I don't use it |
| 19:34.23 | linuxthefish | i'm getting "Error code: ERR_SOCKS_CONNECTION_FAILED" in chrome and "channel 3: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused" on ssh |
| 19:34.25 | lord_rob | ~/.lxde |
| 19:34.28 | lord_rob | ? |
| 19:34.47 | lord_rob | maybe check that |
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| 19:35.27 | abrotman | I thought ~/.config/lxde/ .. |
| 19:35.57 | lord_rob | or create a new user (createuser testuser for example) |
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| 19:36.15 | abrotman | lord_rob: he's gone |
| 19:36.51 | lord_rob | ok |
| 19:36.51 | jpinx | ~/.config/lxterminal and lxpanel |
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| 19:38.56 | lord_rob | so I can stop talking to the flies :) |
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| 19:40.32 | lord_rob | abrotman: but I still see him on the # |
| 19:40.45 | abrotman | dongus?, he's gone |
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| 19:41.11 | cajg | I've booted a laptop not used for 2 months and get 'No Volumes found', so password entry obviously doesn't unlock the disk. I've tried rootdelay kernel boot parameter and a few other things, came here in case this has happened to someone |
| 19:41.18 | lord_rob | no sorry I confused with linuxthefish |
| 19:41.30 | cajg | it's possible I upgraded since last boot |
| 19:41.37 | linuxthefish | :? |
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| 19:41.54 | lord_rob | linuxthefish: nevermind |
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| 19:42.52 | MO_Handes | what file should I put a simple alias command for it to be executed every time and login, so I don't need to execute it every time I open a terminal? .bash_profile and .profile do not work! |
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| 19:43.37 | tremon | !bashrc |
| 19:43.37 | dpkg | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. Ask me about <bash eternal history>. |
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| 19:45.05 | fishcooker | i've using the same name and the password on first box i can connect flawlessly but on second box i get this message http://paste.debian.net/106413/ ? |
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| 19:47.39 | dr0 | anyone using tint2? |
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| 19:54.35 | lord_rob | !anyone |
| 19:54.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 20:10.22 | skilz | Hey how do I install the free nvidia driver? |
| 20:10.36 | skilz | Will that let me play minecraft decently? |
| 20:11.00 | AivarasK | get yourself Nvidia's drivers.. |
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| 20:11.09 | skilz | How? |
| 20:11.24 | skilz | Im in console |
| 20:11.29 | AivarasK | tried debian wiki? |
| 20:11.29 | skilz | I have no working x at the moment |
| 20:11.42 | AivarasK | links debian.com :) |
| 20:11.52 | formorer | the free one is installed by default. |
| 20:11.58 | skilz | I forget the apt-get commant to install noveuo or what ever it is called |
| 20:12.17 | skilz | I broke it trying to install the proprietry Nvidia drive a few months ago and just left it |
| 20:12.23 | skilz | Now I've come back to try again |
| 20:12.35 | skilz | nouveo |
| 20:13.49 | meek_geek | does shredding work in case of SSD? |
| 20:13.54 | meek_geek | or is it not required |
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| 20:17.10 | tremon | meek_geek: it may not have any effect, as an SSD may not map the second write to the same nand block. Zeroing the file, removing it and using fstrim may be more effective, but it depends on the size of the file vs the erase block size |
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| 20:17.50 | tremon | (second write == any latter writes) |
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| 20:24.36 | meek_geek | tremon, i see what about memory cards ? microSD etc ? |
| 20:26.29 | tremon | they don't have wear-leveling built-in, so shredding should probably work. But it will have the obvious effect of reducing that cell's lifetime |
| 20:27.12 | tremon | blawiz: probably through using lsof on /dev/dspN |
| 20:27.50 | tremon | or rather fuser, not lsof |
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| 20:28.36 | blawiz | tremon, i dont have /dev/dsp* |
| 20:29.12 | meek_geek | tremon, cards's life? or cellphone? |
| 20:29.15 | zykotick9 | blawiz: don't feel bad, i don't either ;) |
| 20:29.38 | tremon | meek_geek: not a cellphone obviously, the memory cell on the card :) |
| 20:29.45 | blawiz | zykotick9, are you flirting with me? |
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| 20:30.01 | tremon | yeah /dev/dsp is probably oss emulation. I don't remember which node is for alsa |
| 20:30.12 | zykotick9 | blawiz: what? no, just saying i don't have /dev/dsp... |
| 20:30.24 | meek_geek | tremon, ok i would shred them but one more question, shredding one time is as good as 20 times ? |
| 20:30.31 | blawiz | zykotick9, ahh ok o/ |
| 20:31.29 | tremon | meek_geek: I'm not sure. memory cells are not based on magnetic properties, so it's likely that previous cell contents can't be recovered after even one write. But I don't know for sure |
| 20:32.19 | tremon | blawiz: try /dev/snd/pcm* |
| 20:33.24 | blawiz | tremon, ahh looks like the right stuff :) |
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| 20:38.59 | skilz | Hello? |
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| 20:39.19 | X-Sleepy-X | skilz: Hello! |
| 20:39.22 | skilz | I've removed the nouveau drive and installed again but it still wont startx |
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| 20:39.36 | skilz | Because I think I tried to install non free nvidia before before and it broke it |
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| 20:39.45 | skilz | I really don't want to reinstall debian |
| 20:40.07 | skilz | I 'atp-get remove xserver-xorg' |
| 20:40.17 | skilz | and tried all again, still wont work :( |
| 20:40.19 | zykotick9 | skilz: sidenotes - 1) move xorg.conf out of the way and 2) remove the blacklist of nouveau that nvidia-propritary added (sorry i forget the file involved) |
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| 20:40.43 | Mikaela | I did the same, but I solved it by reinstalling Debian and promising to stay away from NVidia closed drivers for Debian, which probably doesn't help you. |
| 20:41.04 | skilz | Ok let me try, brb |
| 20:41.06 | Nik05 | maybe you need to reinstall mesa stuff |
| 20:41.08 | Mikaela | /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf I think |
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| 20:41.24 | zykotick9 | Mikaela: thanks |
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| 20:41.39 | Nik05 | something like this ? aptitude reinstall '~igl | ~idrm | ~imesa | ~iglx' |
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| 20:42.27 | X-Sleepy-X | Wouldn't purging the nVidia packages that were installed remove all the configuration files and sort of restore the previous setup? |
| 20:42.39 | TMM | hello! I was wondering if there is a 'debian way' of running multiple mysql server instances on one machine. Or maybe more usefully: I want to run two mysql instances on one box because I have two raidsets and I want to have a live mirror on my second set of drives. I figured running a mysql slave that's just there to receive the updates was a good way of doing thigs. |
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| 20:43.29 | zykotick9 | X-Sleepy-X: i don't believe the blacklist gets removed upon remove/purge of nvidia propritary :( |
| 20:43.47 | AivarasK | TMM, I have virtual machines for mysql servers |
| 20:44.15 | TMM | AivarasK, I guess that's one way of doing that. |
| 20:44.16 | TMM | :) |
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| 20:47.13 | jimbohertz | sup yall |
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| 20:47.42 | skilz | I cant do it |
| 20:47.47 | skilz | There is no xorg.conf file |
| 20:47.52 | jimbohertz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.00 | jimbohertz | i dont know whats going on but |
| 20:48.02 | skilz | "You have held broken packages" |
| 20:48.02 | jimbohertz | create one |
| 20:48.04 | skilz | I have no xorg |
| 20:48.07 | skilz | I removed it |
| 20:48.10 | jimbohertz | what... |
| 20:48.14 | jimbohertz | whats ur problem? |
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| 20:48.54 | skilz | When I try and 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau i get that error that it depends on blah blah blah and I have held broken packages |
| 20:49.04 | skilz | Because I tried to install non-free nvidia driver |
| 20:49.05 | jimbohertz | oh boy |
| 20:49.12 | jimbohertz | aahhh that |
| 20:49.13 | masoudd | I'm installing on a qemu virtual machine. I have debian-7.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso . Now I'm at the point where it asks me "Use a network mirror?". If I answer No, would it still download anything from the internet? I don't want to download anything from internet. Just use whatever is on the CD image |
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| 20:49.15 | skilz | and I rebooted my system and then xorg didnt work |
| 20:49.29 | jimbohertz | is xorg still installed ? |
| 20:49.33 | X-Sleepy-X | skilz: Try this: apt-get -f install |
| 20:49.33 | jimbohertz | do sudo apt-get install Xorg |
| 20:49.35 | skilz | no |
| 20:49.37 | jimbohertz | oh |
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| 20:49.54 | skilz | I dont want the whole xorg package |
| 20:49.58 | skilz | I use fluxbox |
| 20:50.02 | jimbohertz | uh i see |
| 20:50.02 | skilz | just the core or what ever |
| 20:50.08 | jimbohertz | minimal ah |
| 20:50.12 | skilz | yep |
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| 20:50.15 | skilz | Whats the command? |
| 20:50.20 | jimbohertz | man i wish i had 2 computer |
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| 20:50.50 | jimbohertz | i wanted to reinstall debian and have a very minimal install |
| 20:51.13 | jimbohertz | eh |
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| 20:52.41 | masoudd | I answered "No" and now it's "Retriving file 1 of 8". What the hell? |
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| 20:52.54 | jimbohertz | i couldve help |
| 20:52.57 | jimbohertz | ed |
| 20:52.59 | jimbohertz | butno |
| 20:53.09 | masoudd | Omg it's downloading |
| 20:53.51 | masoudd | What part of "No don't use a network mirror" means download stuff from the internet? |
| 20:54.01 | masoudd | Should I file a bug report? |
| 20:54.36 | X-Sleepy-X | masoudd: Are you sure it's not just retrieving files from the installation disc? |
| 20:55.05 | masoudd | X-Sleepy-X: I have nethogs running. I see qemu downloading files from the internet |
| 20:55.30 | masoudd | 80 KB/sec |
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| 20:57.30 | X-Sleepy-X | sunbeam: Do you want only one of the IP-addresses to be answering on FTP? |
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| 20:59.43 | masoudd | I will disable networking for the qemu and try again. |
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| 21:04.50 | vook | I'm setting up some quick and simple website blocking using a powerdns server (no activity in #powerdns). It works if I create a zone for each domain, such as univision.com, but I'm wondering if there is a way to do this without creating a zone for each. |
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| 21:05.25 | X-Sleepy-X | doebi: What does your /etc/fstab look like, do you have a line or two in that file that contain something like "/dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0"? |
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| 21:07.24 | X-Sleepy-X | vook: Are you redirecting the site to your localhost or what are you trying to achieve? |
| 21:07.36 | cowabunga | how to install miro and sopcast on debian? |
| 21:08.08 | doebi | X-Sleepy-X: i used manual mounting first but also tried with /etc/fstab, both unsuccessful |
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| 21:08.56 | X-Sleepy-X | doebi: So, does your /etc/fstab contain lines like i described or not? |
| 21:09.12 | doebi | X-Sleepy-X: http://files.doebi.at/temp/3nuQxHHa/ |
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| 21:10.03 | vook | X-Sleepy-X: just sending it to 0.0.0.0. |
| 21:10.28 | masoudd | from https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s01.html.en : "...a basic desktop installation can be done with only the first DVD or - to a limited extent - even with only the first CD". Does it mean I can install debian with only the first CD? I have debian-7.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso and don't want any GUI. |
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| 21:10.46 | X-Sleepy-X | doebi: When the USB device is plugged in, what does fdisk -l tell you? |
| 21:10.48 | Colapsnux | This command can help you so [RTFM] < blkid, lsblk, fdisk, df ... > |
| 21:10.57 | vook | X-Sleepy-X: I created a .com zone, but that killed all resolution to .com domains. |
| 21:11.48 | X-Sleepy-X | vook: And you're only setting it up for your local computer or are you doing it for the whole network? |
| 21:12.06 | vook | X-Sleepy-X: whole network. |
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| 21:13.30 | doebi | X-Sleepy-X: http://files.doebi.at/temp/p9SUl5yk/ |
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| 21:14.28 | vook | I know there are more elaborate and appropriate ways of doing this, but for now I just wish to quickly create an obsticle for users. |
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| 21:16.35 | X-Sleepy-X | doebi: I would suggest that you comment out both line 14 and 15 from /etc/fstab and do a reboot. If that doesn't help I would also suggest that you comment out line 17 and then just label the USB devices. |
| 21:18.05 | doebi | X-Sleepy-X: hmm line 14, 15 arent mine. the system put them there |
| 21:18.54 | X-Sleepy-X | doebi: Yes, and they prevent normal operations... Don't ask me why though... :) |
| 21:19.33 | X-Sleepy-X | doebi: I assume you installed Debian using a USB device? |
| 21:19.35 | doebi | X-Sleepy-X: lol, k |
| 21:19.38 | doebi | yeah |
| 21:19.50 | doebi | was a pretty mess to get the mounts/partitions right |
| 21:20.13 | X-Sleepy-X | doebi: Then commenting out those lines should help. |
| 21:20.22 | doebi | hmm k |
| 21:20.29 | doebi | is there a way i can do without rebooting? |
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| 21:21.34 | X-Sleepy-X | doebi: I'm not sure, I've always just rebooted since I always do some changes to /etc/fstab and /etc/default/grub after an installation. |
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| 21:25.13 | X-Sleepy-X | vook: Ok, I was going to suggest an easier setup if it only were for one computer. Sorry, but I don't have much experience with what you're trying to achieve, even though I use powerdns on a regular basis... |
| 21:25.21 | stevelitt | LOL, my new Debian 7.5 64bit installation's eth0 is both hard coded 192.168.100.4, and DHCP derived 192.168.100.237. |
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| 21:31.33 | nmschulte | Hi all. I am having trouble getting the Google Talk Plugin to work with Chromium. Any ideas? |
| 21:31.43 | sunbeam | X-Sleepy-X: nvm need to add it to interfaces first |
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| 21:32.42 | nmschulte | the plugin isn't listed in the chrome://plugins page, but Google Chrome (installed via Google's .deb) does. |
| 21:33.14 | X-Sleepy-X | doebi: You could try to run "mount -a" after commenting out the lines. |
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| 21:34.16 | masoudd | Though from https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable : "The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system." |
| 21:34.33 | cowabunga | Sugestion. I want debian easy like ubuntu please. I prefer debian but debian isnt easy. |
| 21:35.10 | cowabunga | How to install handbrake on debian stable for example? |
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| 21:36.13 | cowabunga | I dont like ubuntu. i PREFER debian. And debian has old packages... |
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| 21:36.30 | nmschulte | cowabunga: Well, there's always debian _unstable_. |
| 21:36.40 | nmschulte | But you should evaluate that before taking the plunge. |
| 21:36.58 | nmschulte | cowabunga: Is there something wrong with https://packages.debian.org/jessie/handbrake ? |
| 21:37.00 | cowabunga | nmschulte: but unstable isnt good. Ubuntu is more stable than sid |
| 21:37.02 | cynicallemon | nmschulte, I know that Chromium is a stripped down version of Google Chrome so that may be an issue |
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| 21:37.26 | nmschulte | cynicallemon: perhaps; I know there is/was a transition to remove supported plugin types? npapi vs ppapi etc? |
| 21:37.33 | nmschulte | I wonder if that's what's going on. |
| 21:37.34 | cowabunga | nmschulte: well... hadbrake is done? And higan emulator? |
| 21:37.49 | cynicallemon | cowabunga, I run sid and its rock solid and as fresh as Arch Linux |
| 21:37.54 | teraflops | cowabunga: debian has 3 branches (not counting exp) and backports blame on ubuntu |
| 21:37.56 | nmschulte | cowabunga: I don't know about handbrake or higan (or emulators there-of). |
| 21:37.56 | cynicallemon | well almost :) |
| 21:38.20 | nmschulte | I run sid on my personal machines as well; I have for the past idk how long. |
| 21:38.25 | cowabunga | can you compile sisimedia driver on debian. Ubuntu has option to install it |
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| 21:38.28 | cowabunga | DEbian dont |
| 21:39.15 | cynicallemon | nmschulte, I know you can get flash with Chromium by using the pepperflash non-free package |
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| 21:39.39 | nmschulte | cynicallemon: That's the one that downloads chrome and strips out the plugin, right? |
| 21:39.53 | masoudd | Can I install debian with only the first CD? |
| 21:39.58 | nmschulte | masoudd: yes. |
| 21:40.00 | cowabunga | masoudd: yes |
| 21:40.10 | teraflops | cowabunga: idn wtf is sisimedia but if is something multimedia im not your man i do not use debian for desktop/multimedia machines |
| 21:40.14 | masoudd | I'm having trouble with that. |
| 21:40.23 | nmschulte | You can install the packages contained on the first CD, which will get you a GNOME based debian Desktop out of the box. |
| 21:40.31 | cynicallemon | which is a bit of a laugh cause that downloads Google Chrome and extracts the plugin so you might as well just use Google Chrome |
| 21:40.39 | masoudd | No. I don't want any GUI |
| 21:40.40 | nmschulte | cynicallemon: Nah, I don't want Chrome. |
| 21:40.40 | teraflops | either you can run whatever you want no need to blame simply switch t another distro |
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| 21:40.56 | X-Sleepy-X | cowabunga: I assume you know about deb-multimedia.org? |
| 21:41.02 | cowabunga | teraflops: is debian don't ready for desktop or multimedia machines? |
| 21:41.05 | nmschulte | cowabunga: the DFSG plays an important role in Debian packaging. |
| 21:41.15 | teraflops | ni dinit say that |
| 21:41.21 | teraflops | I didnt* |
| 21:41.31 | cowabunga | X-Sleepy-X: DOes debian multimia have higan and sisimedia driver? |
| 21:41.45 | masoudd | I just want to create a headless server. I have debian-7.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso, did I download the wrong iso? |
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| 21:41.52 | nmschulte | cowabunga: https://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/higan |
| 21:41.53 | cowabunga | nmschulte: but debian community help users with blobs |
| 21:41.56 | X-Sleepy-X | cowabunga: I don't know. |
| 21:42.05 | nmschulte | cowabunga: They do, but I'm sure they would prefer to not have to. |
| 21:42.21 | cowabunga | nmschulte: but higan is for sid only... |
| 21:42.23 | cowabunga | :( |
| 21:42.29 | nmschulte | cowabunga: there is a jessie package it looks like |
| 21:42.32 | cynicallemon | masoudd, download the net install iso for doing servers |
| 21:42.50 | nmschulte | cowabunga: but yes, nothing for stable. |
| 21:43.04 | nmschulte | gotta run; good luck! |
| 21:43.12 | cowabunga | nmschulte: does debian have ppa like files? |
| 21:43.26 | masoudd | cynicallemon: It's not connected to the internet. I just want a minimal debian install with no GUI. |
| 21:43.49 | cynicallemon | cowabunga, no ppa's but there's talk of it so i hear |
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| 21:44.36 | cowabunga | cynicallemon: how to install pipelight on debian? |
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| 21:44.57 | cowabunga | I know install in Ubuntu but debian I dont |
| 21:45.04 | cynicallemon | cowabunga, don't know but why would you want that? |
| 21:45.22 | cowabunga | cynicallemon: to watch netflix movies |
| 21:45.43 | X-Sleepy-X | cowabunga: http://pipelight.net/cms/install/installation-debian.html |
| 21:45.44 | slackner | cowabunga: why don't you take a look at pipelight.net, then select debian, and follow the installation instructions |
| 21:46.00 | masoudd | It seems like I can't get that with only the first CD. It either starts downloading files without my consent if it can access the internet otherwise it refuses to install anything and keeps asking to scan the next CD |
| 21:46.16 | X-Sleepy-X | cowabunga: It won't work with the latest version of chromium since they stopped the NPAPI support. |
| 21:46.41 | cowabunga | X-Sleepy-X: but chrome has |
| 21:46.51 | X-Sleepy-X | cowabunga: For now... |
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| 21:47.11 | cowabunga | firefox developers wants use NPAPI wrapper like pipelight |
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| 21:47.39 | X-Sleepy-X | cowabunga: pipelight-multi works fine with iceweasel |
| 21:47.40 | cowabunga | X-Sleepy-X: Why debian don't has get deb like website? |
| 21:47.48 | cowabunga | X-Sleepy-X: THANKS |
| 21:47.50 | teraflops | debian with chrome sisibullshit pipewhatever ppas .... better use ubuntu imho |
| 21:47.54 | masoudd | Do you guys not know what's going on? Or do you just have very short attention spans? |
| 21:48.23 | cowabunga | teraflops: I agree but Debian must be more easier for n00bs like me. |
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| 21:48.31 | skilz | Okay, I just finished reinstalling |
| 21:48.34 | cowabunga | I am not a nerd, a cracker, a hacker |
| 21:48.44 | teraflops | neither the 99% of us |
| 21:48.44 | skilz | How do I install the basic minimal xorg package? |
| 21:48.47 | cowabunga | I am a Mac OSX and Windows n00bs user |
| 21:49.02 | X-Sleepy-X | masoudd: How would it be able to download packages since you said the computer isn't connected to the internet? |
| 21:49.05 | teraflops | simply steo back and read what you write cowabunga |
| 21:49.07 | cowabunga | iceweasel is more beaultiful |
| 21:49.09 | teraflops | step* |
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| 21:49.44 | cowabunga | teraflops: you are lying right? |
| 21:49.47 | masoudd | X-Sleepy-X: As I said earlier, I am trying it in a qemu virtual machine |
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| 21:50.02 | teraflops | sorry if im being rude cowabunga but that dejavi ive seen thousand of ties here |
| 21:50.03 | skilz | Hello? |
| 21:50.05 | teraflops | times* |
| 21:50.11 | masoudd | X-Sleepy-X: I will install it eventually on the real system |
| 21:50.28 | themill | masoudd: any of the install images will do what you want |
| 21:50.38 | skilz | Hi themill |
| 21:50.47 | cowabunga | why debian don't use remastersys package in debian sources? |
| 21:50.49 | teraflops | why I cant run the lates version of whatever ... ubuntu has ... |
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| 21:51.27 | cynicallemon | cowabunga, remastersys is a dead project |
| 21:51.47 | cowabunga | cynicallemon: remastersys has a fork |
| 21:52.00 | masoudd | themill: I am using debian-7.5.0-i386-CD-1.iso and it will not go further than "Install the base system". the next step is "Configure the package manager" and it just asks for the next CD |
| 21:52.04 | cowabunga | cynicallemon: garfio is a remastersys like tool |
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| 21:52.23 | cynicallemon | cowabunga, ok thats a new one to me |
| 21:52.25 | themill | masoudd: there's a "skip" button |
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| 21:52.30 | skilz | themill: How do I install the bare-minimal xserver-xorg package? What's the name of it? |
| 21:52.38 | asterismo | hi guys a question |
| 21:52.46 | themill | skilz: why are you asking me? |
| 21:52.47 | cowabunga | cynicallemon: you need update your skills |
| 21:52.58 | cynicallemon | cowabunga, theres also refracta snapshot and installer too |
| 21:53.05 | skilz | themill: Because you're the #Debian expert ;) |
| 21:53.07 | cynicallemon | cowabunga, lol |
| 21:53.08 | masoudd | themill: It says "Scan another CD or DVD"? and it has <Go back>, <Yes>, <No> |
| 21:53.10 | themill | skilz: and have you tried "xserver-xorg"? |
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| 21:53.16 | skilz | Yep |
| 21:53.23 | themill | masoudd: so "no" doesn't sound like an answer? |
| 21:53.23 | skilz | startx command not found |
| 21:53.33 | cynicallemon | cowabunga, have you tried debian live build? |
| 21:53.39 | skilz | Maybe I have to restart |
| 21:53.41 | themill | dpkg: tell skilz about apt-file |
| 21:53.42 | Colapsnux | aptitude install xfce |
| 21:54.10 | cowabunga | cynicallemon: that isnt good beacuse I can't create a snapshop of my sistem like remastersys |
| 21:54.13 | asterismo | will KDE packages on Wheezy will be upgraded by the ones in testing some day? For what i read in de Debian Wiki packages usually migrate to stable versions once they are stable enough |
| 21:54.16 | asterismo | right? |
| 21:54.20 | masoudd | themill: It asked again. I answered No again. now it's downloading from the internet. I don't even know how it's doing it. I didn't give the qemu virtual machine any nic |
| 21:54.28 | cowabunga | I loooove debian but debian needs more easier |
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| 21:54.44 | masoudd | I can' believe it |
| 21:54.55 | cowabunga | I hate UBuntu because ubuntu packges isnt debian compatible |
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| 21:55.01 | masoudd | Retriving file 1 of 8 |
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| 21:55.04 | cynicallemon | cowabunga, so youre using it for a backup type solution to snapshot data too then? |
| 21:55.19 | mtn | asterismo: no, it doesn't work that way |
| 21:55.23 | cowabunga | cynicallemon: for live cd or live usb too |
| 21:55.24 | asterismo | Current KDE version in Debian 7 is 4.8.4 pretty old with a lot of fixes in newer versions, like DE 4.10... will this versions be available in wheezy or it will be freezed in 4.8.4?? |
| 21:55.48 | cowabunga | I dont understand why UBUNTU is more easier than debian |
| 21:55.49 | jmcnaught | asterismo: one the current testing (Jessie) is finished, you will be upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie and all your packges will get upgraded with it. The final Jessie release is probably around a year away though (nobody knows for sure) |
| 21:56.03 | asterismo | mtn: because for example, KMail in KDE desktop has a non working group mail list |
| 21:56.05 | cowabunga | Ubuntu is debian based but is more easier |
| 21:56.13 | cynicallemon | cowabunga, debian live you can do that I'm sure |
| 21:56.14 | zykotick9 | !tell asterismo about stable |
| 21:56.17 | asterismo | and other stuff |
| 21:56.22 | jmcnaught | cowabunga: keep it on-topic please. this is a support channel, not a complaints/rants/comparisons/social channel |
| 21:56.24 | brightkill | Ubuntu sux |
| 21:56.37 | cowabunga | I dont know install miro on debian. |
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| 21:56.41 | chomwitt | trying dist-upgrade from 6 to 7 i get E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
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| 21:56.49 | cynicallemon | cowabunga, but its a lot easier the remastersys way admittedly |
| 21:56.55 | cowabunga | brightkill: you're right |
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| 21:57.00 | themill | masoudd: why do you not want the security updates for the kernel and openssl etc installed? |
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| 21:57.14 | asterismo | jmcnaught: mtn: and when will testing be stable? |
| 21:57.20 | cowabunga | I dont know install sisimedia driver on debian |
| 21:57.24 | cynicallemon | no distro based off of debian sux |
| 21:57.30 | jmcnaught | cowabunga: miro is in the wheezy repository, so you should be able to do "apt-get install miro" |
| 21:57.31 | masoudd | themill: I want to install debian on an offline machine |
| 21:57.35 | cynicallemon | rpm based distros suck |
| 21:57.41 | themill | masoudd: so tell it there's no network connection |
| 21:57.52 | themill | masoudd: or unplug the network connection |
| 21:58.00 | cowabunga | cynicallemon: I like rpm based and arch. I dont have problems with it |
| 21:58.07 | jmcnaught | asterismo: the proposed feature freeze for wheezy is in november, then it will get released as stable once all release critical bugs are fixed. https://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html |
| 21:58.19 | themill | masoudd: you currently have an "offline" machine that is online. That's a bit speshul and not in a good way. |
| 21:58.30 | zykotick9 | jmcnaught: s/wheezy/jessie/ |
| 21:59.00 | jmcnaught | zykotick9: indeed, thanks :) |
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| 21:59.02 | themill | chomwitt: you'd need to pastebin the entire output not just the last line that isn't actually the error message |
| 21:59.33 | asterismo | jmcnaught: mtn: and is jessie stable like wheezy yet? |
| 21:59.42 | asterismo | jmcnaught: mtn: ehat is your experience? |
| 21:59.47 | masoudd | themill: I don't know how. As far as I know the qemu is now disconnected from the network. But the "REAL machine" that I want to install debian to, is really disconnected. I'm just trying to install debian on a virtual machine first to try it. I want to be sure I can install debian using only this iso image and not anything else |
| 21:59.58 | mtn | asterismo: no, that is why it is called testing and not stable ;) |
| 22:00.08 | jmcnaught | cynicallemon, cowabunga: please move discussions comparing distros to another channel like #defocus or #debian-offtopic. It's hard to support people/get support when there's a bunch of off-topic chatter. |
| 22:00.19 | themill | masoudd: I think it's self-evident that the VM is not disconnected from the network. |
| 22:00.43 | cowabunga | jmcnaught: ok debian user but Why debian dont has websites like omgdebian or debianted? |
| 22:00.55 | jmcnaught | asterismo: stable in the debian context means "not changing" so updates don't change the way software behaves. Jessie is also for bug testing, not really intended for end users (but that doesn't stop some people) |
| 22:01.25 | cowabunga | jmcnaught: can you support sisimedia video driver on debian for me? |
| 22:01.31 | masoudd | themill: Yes. It's my fault for not knowing qemu well enough. but still, I specifically answered "No" to "Do you want to use a network mirror?" |
| 22:01.51 | jmcnaught | cowabunga: because it doesn't need them? or because nobody has taken the initiative? also I have no idea what sisimedia video driver is.. go ask them for support maybe? |
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| 22:02.11 | cowabunga | ;_: jmcnaught |
| 22:02.18 | dancus | do you know if the package "firmware-b43-lpphy-installer" is included in jessie an sid or the driver is supported by the kernel ? |
| 22:02.19 | themill | masoudd: the security repo is always added |
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| 22:03.17 | mtn | dancus: http://packages.debian.org |
| 22:03.22 | X-Sleepy-X | chomwitt: I tried these steps with success a while back: http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-upgrade-debian-squeeze-to-wheezy |
| 22:03.43 | dancus | it seems supportyed only in wheezy on packages.debian.org |
| 22:04.32 | babilen | chomwitt, X-Sleepy-X: Please recommend and follow https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 22:04.56 | dancus | but I don' understand how i could use the wifi card in jessie or sid without that firmware |
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| 22:05.33 | jmcnaught | dancus: you might need to ask in #debian-next on irc.debian.org for problems with jessie and unstable |
| 22:05.42 | mtn | dancus: maybe it is called something else in them? |
| 22:06.00 | cowabunga | jmcnaught: nobody need them? oh my... |
| 22:06.09 | cowabunga | jmcnaught: is this a help? |
| 22:06.12 | cowabunga | :( |
| 22:06.42 | dancus | ok thanks jmcnaught |
| 22:07.38 | X-Sleepy-X | babilen: Thanks, but I'm unable to follow it since I'm using OS X... :) |
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| 22:08.53 | cynicallemon | dancus, to check for packages in debian - https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 22:09.58 | jmcnaught | cowabunga: perhaps check out http://bits.debian.org/ and http://planet.debian.org/ for Debian related news and blogs. I'm sure there's more out there, it's a large community :) |
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| 22:11.18 | skilz | When I move my web browser around there is a big lag |
| 22:11.21 | skilz | What is that? |
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| 22:11.26 | skilz | Is that the video driver? Or?? |
| 22:11.43 | skilz | Actually every window does it |
| 22:11.44 | cowabunga | skilz: what is you video card? Sis? |
| 22:12.08 | skilz | Nvidia GTX 770 2GB OC Edition, i7 2.8GHz, 8GB DDR3 Ram. |
| 22:12.09 | cynicallemon | skilz, its not meant to be run on a 386 |
| 22:12.20 | skilz | No problems with my hardware mate. |
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| 22:12.51 | cynicallemon | skilz, video card/driver issue then |
| 22:13.36 | kenrestivo | i'm trying to figure out how to flash bios on my asus q400a (UEFI, originally shipped with winbloze8) which runs debian 7.4 currently. the drive has no recovery, or other windoze stuff, solely a GPT partition with debian in it. |
| 22:13.46 | SuperPhl_ | Hello mates, I've got a standard Gnome environment installed by default. I went ahead and installed slim, tint2 and openbox. slim is now the login manager, but when I log in, it's still starting up gnome and not openbox/slim. |
| 22:13.57 | SuperPhl_ | How does a single user change the desktop environment? |
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| 22:14.10 | cowabunga | skilz: can you borrew me memory? |
| 22:14.12 | cowabunga | :) |
| 22:14.14 | kenrestivo | so it's just grub2 efi. i can't seem to get grub to boot freedos to run a flash utility. |
| 22:14.28 | skilz | Sure... When I get 16GB |
| 22:14.47 | skilz | cynicallemon, http://paste.debian.net/106449/ |
| 22:14.55 | cowabunga | skilz: ok remember me. goro.ddaimonx@gmail.com ask me when ready. |
| 22:15.10 | skilz | Looks like I'm using the nouvaou driver? |
| 22:15.20 | skilz | cowabunga, okay |
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| 22:15.44 | kenrestivo | not at all new to linux or debian, but efi/uefi is a bit of a mystery to me still. |
| 22:15.50 | cowabunga | jmcnaught: can you guys improve synaptic no more user friendly? |
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| 22:16.08 | frostschutz | kenrestivo, can't it read the update off a vfat usb stick? |
| 22:16.21 | cowabunga | *for |
| 22:16.49 | kenrestivo | frostschutz: hmmm, that makes too much sense and would be too easy :-). will try that, if it works that'd be awesome. thanks |
| 22:16.58 | cynicallemon | skilz, yep you seem to be using the stock nouveau |
| 22:17.03 | ctmjr | skilz: if you did not install anything then yes, and you need the nvidia driver from backports to have full use of your card |
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| 22:17.06 | skilz | So why is this happening? |
| 22:17.33 | skilz | ctmjr, I installed 'xserver-xorg-video-nouveau' |
| 22:17.42 | skilz | ctmjr, How do I get that? |
| 22:17.49 | jmcnaught | skilz: which desktop/wm are you using? |
| 22:17.53 | skilz | I think thats what broke my xorg last time trying to do that. |
| 22:17.59 | skilz | jmcnaught, fluxbox |
| 22:18.02 | cynicallemon | skilz, https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 22:18.28 | cynicallemon | skilz, did u follow the instructions there ? |
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| 22:18.34 | skilz | yes |
| 22:19.20 | jmcnaught | skilz: i'm not sure if fluxbox has a "composite" mode, but i would look for one, or considering using a window manager that does. Otherwise you could try installing the proprietary closed nvidia drivers by following the link suggested by cynicallemon above, but those drivers aren't the greatest either |
| 22:19.51 | skilz | I plan to play Minecraft and such |
| 22:19.56 | skilz | So do I need those drivers? |
| 22:20.22 | skilz | Linux skynet 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:20.27 | skilz | Is this kernel old? |
| 22:20.51 | jmcnaught | skilz: the nouveau driver is supposed to do 2D and 3D acceleration. In my experience desktops/window managers that use a compositing mode have better visual performance |
| 22:20.53 | kenrestivo | frostschutz: um, sadly, no. i did what appears to have been a dumb thing when i installed this machine years ago, and wiped out its bios partition. |
| 22:21.07 | kenrestivo | so it won't boot off of anything other than the harddrive. |
| 22:21.18 | skilz | Whats something good to use then? |
| 22:21.24 | skilz | I don't really want gnome or kde |
| 22:21.26 | jmcnaught | skilz: no, it looks like you have the current Wheezy kernel. There is a newer kernel in backports but it might not solve your problem |
| 22:21.28 | kenrestivo | i could try some other tricks like swapping out hard drive though |
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| 22:22.31 | skilz | jmcnaught, ahh |
| 22:22.46 | skilz | I think the problem is this kernel doesn't support my video card? |
| 22:22.49 | skilz | The card is too new? |
| 22:22.58 | skilz | $ lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 22:22.59 | skilz | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation Device [10de:1184] (rev a1) |
| 22:23.03 | skilz | Doesn't show the model |
| 22:23.09 | cowabunga | jmcnaught: thats news sites isnt user friendly |
| 22:23.20 | jmcnaught | skilz: it looks like fluxbox (and openbox which is similar) both have ways of enabling composite. But then again that may not fix the issue. Also please stop pressing <enter> so much :) |
| 22:23.23 | cynicallemon | skilz, if you followed those nvidia instructions then it sounds like the xorg conf hasn't been altered, you may have to manually run nvidia-xconfig from the command line in a non-x session |
| 22:23.34 | jmcnaught | cowabunga: i guess that depends on the user :) |
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| 22:23.50 | jmcnaught | skilz: anyways i've got to get back to work, good luck figuring the issue out :) |
| 22:24.01 | skilz | cynicallemon, I haven't done the instructions yet because the kernel doesn't support my card. |
| 22:24.08 | ctmjr | The nvidia driver in wheezy only supports up to the gforce 600 series 700 series and above need the driver from backports |
| 22:24.16 | cowabunga | jmcnaught: sure? Well 99% will don't understand |
| 22:24.18 | cynicallemon | ah there lies the problem |
| 22:24.46 | skilz | ctmjr, Thank you, that's what I was thinking. So how do I do that? |
| 22:24.56 | masoudd | I found the option to disconnect the virtual machine from the network. After answering "No" to the CD scanning question like 20 times, it finally gave up and installed. Thank you themill and others. But I should say the installation process is weird and indeterministic |
| 22:25.22 | ctmjr | dpkg: tell skilz about bpo |
| 22:25.45 | teraflops | cowabunga: you have a bunch of requests might be better an email to the devs :P |
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| 22:26.17 | cynicallemon | skilz, get a newer kernel and nvidia drivers from backports then |
| 22:26.23 | cowabunga | teraflops: are you a developer? where is developer? |
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| 22:26.51 | themill | masoudd: if there are security updates available, it applies them. I don't think that's non-deterministic. |
| 22:27.15 | ctmjr | skilz: read what the bot say's the backports web site will tell you how to add backports to your sources list |
| 22:27.16 | skilz | How do I get a newer kernel? Sorry |
| 22:27.31 | masoudd | themill: I mean the number of times it asks to scan another CD |
| 22:27.37 | teraflops | heh cowabunga im getting old I dont relize if people is trolling me or not |
| 22:28.05 | cowabunga | teraflops: I am dont a troll |
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| 22:29.01 | skilz | ctmjr, Okay got the backports sources now how do I get a newer kernel? |
| 22:29.02 | sim590 | I have this message when installing openssh-server : openssl version mismatch. Built against 1000105f, you have 10001090 :p |
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| 22:29.11 | skilz | I want the newest |
| 22:29.16 | sim590 | what to do ? |
| 22:31.08 | skilz | To install 3.13? |
| 22:31.18 | skilz | I'm lost |
| 22:32.04 | kenrestivo | problem solved: it turns out i did not need any of that windoze crap, holding ESC key gets me a full bios menu. booting freedos off of flash drive works just like it used to in the days before EFI. thanks |
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| 22:33.46 | cynicallemon | kenrestivo, it was all so much simpler in the old day eh! |
| 22:34.06 | skilz | Can I just do 'sudo apt-get install linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64' ??? |
| 22:34.11 | kenrestivo | well, it seems they kept a legacy mode around for us old farts, so all is well cynicallemon |
| 22:34.20 | cowabunga | teraflops: why do you think I am a troll? |
| 22:34.39 | cynicallemon | kenrestivo, great, we need it sometimes :) |
| 22:34.56 | asterismo | jmcnaught: but if stable means not changing and testing is for bug testing, what if there are bugs still in stable and the only solution i get from other people is "sorry man, stable is very old software, you should update your packages..." |
| 22:35.11 | chomwitt | babilen: i tried to follow the debian release notes , now i get dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable. |
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| 22:35.50 | cowabunga | asterismo: some packages you can update in backuports but... they are few backport packages. |
| 22:36.00 | mtn | asterismo: security fixes are added to stable all the time |
| 22:36.09 | babilen | chomwitt: Are you running things through sudo instead of as root? |
| 22:36.52 | cowabunga | well bye bye and I AM NOT A TROLL |
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| 22:37.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell chomwitt -about sudo path |
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| 22:37.35 | ctmjr | skilz: no you need to read, someone else might help you i have to go for awhile here is a hint apt-get -t wheezy-backports install "package" |
| 22:37.56 | babilen | chomwitt: You should have been presented with /usr/share/doc/sudo/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 22:38.10 | babilen | chomwitt: Anyway, good night and good luck |
| 22:38.29 | skilz | But I only need the image no headers? |
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| 22:39.05 | themill | masoudd: I've only ever seen it ask that once |
| 22:39.57 | masoudd | themill: Okay. let me try again from a clean slate |
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| 22:40.05 | zykotick9 | skilz: see "install a package from backports" on http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 22:41.07 | chomwitt | babilen: yes |
| 22:41.13 | chomwitt | babilen: i use sudo |
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| 22:41.51 | skilz | Just installed nvidia-kernel-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 22:42.03 | skilz | So that will add drivers for my card now? |
| 22:42.17 | skilz | Will I still use to nouvaou driver with that? |
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| 22:42.40 | chomwitt | babilen: thanks for the tip! |
| 22:43.04 | zykotick9 | skilz: that is NOT the nouveau driver - that's the propritary nvidia driver |
| 22:43.49 | asturel | is nouveau better than prop. for simple 2d ? |
| 22:44.18 | hexorg | Hey guys, does anyone have any ideas why won't rdesktop grab neither mouse nor keys? |
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| 22:45.16 | teraflops | depends on the hw afaik even for 3d asturel |
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| 22:45.21 | asturel | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 [GeForce GT 640] (rev a1) |
| 22:45.23 | skilz | nDone |
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| 22:45.29 | skilz | Linux skynet 3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.14.7-1~bpo70+1 (2014-06-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:45.30 | skilz | :) |
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| 22:46.06 | teraflops | i think has to deal with the hw the devs are using asturel |
| 22:46.23 | asturel | ? |
| 22:46.30 | asterismo | but what about bugs that are not fixed in stable versions? the only choice is moving to a newer release in where they are supposed to be fixed |
| 22:46.32 | asterismo | right? |
| 22:46.44 | asterismo | mtn: jmcnaught... |
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| 22:47.38 | asturel | i dont need 3d.. if compiz doesnt matter :D |
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| 22:47.53 | skilz | Uh oh. Your card is not supported by any driver version up to 304.117. |
| 22:47.54 | skilz | A newer driver may add support for your card. |
| 22:47.54 | skilz | Newer driver releases may be available in backports. |
| 22:48.13 | teraflops | asturel: idn just try |
| 22:48.19 | mtn | asterismo: who says they aren't fixed? |
| 22:49.14 | mtn | asterismo: if bugs are fixed anywhere it is in stable |
| 22:49.45 | asturel | well imho i used the opensouce but it was laggy :/ |
| 22:50.54 | cynicallemon | 319.82 is in wheezy backports i think |
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| 22:51.35 | jimbohertz | hey does anyone have experience with running debian off ram ? |
| 22:51.52 | jimbohertz | i have searched about debirf but i have confused |
| 22:52.03 | jimbohertz | i dont know how module works |
| 22:52.10 | cynicallemon | jimbohertz, as in like a live cd or usb? |
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| 22:53.09 | asterismo | mtn: for example, when creating a mailing group in KMail for sending mail to several people, KMail fails (fatal error) and it tries to send a mail to group@hostname, mail which is bounced by mailserver. There is no solution for this and the only solution is "hey guy, you are using a way to old verion of KMail, try to update" |
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| 22:53.48 | jimbohertz | cynicallemon: normal install on a ssd |
| 22:54.03 | jimbohertz | jimbohertz: but i want it to load all the thing on am |
| 22:54.05 | jimbohertz | ram* |
| 22:54.21 | jimbohertz | cynicallemon: but i want it to load all the current install fs on ram |
| 22:54.24 | jimbohertz | * |
| 22:54.34 | asterismo | so my point is what about those bugs that are not fixed (which exist and are quite a few), do we have another choice rather to update to testing or so? or will fixes come to stable, say an update in KMail or KDE o K-what-ever package... do i explain myself? |
| 22:54.41 | mtn | asterismo: well, if that is true and you have to use kmail, then you might need to use a different distro that has the version of kde you HAVE to use |
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| 22:55.26 | chreuben | jimbohertz: Will you load it from the disk & run exclusively in RAM? |
| 22:55.27 | mtn | asterismo: and no, like I already said, the newer version of kde will NOT make it into stable |
| 22:55.36 | jimbohertz | chreuben: yeah |
| 22:55.45 | asterismo | mtn: i just wanted to know if KDE packages will be updated in stable, to say from 4.8.4 to 4.9 or whatever |
| 22:55.54 | asterismo | ok |
| 22:55.56 | asterismo | thanks |
| 22:56.46 | chreuben | jimbohertz: You could use mkinitcpio (or similar) to create an initramfs filesystem; then, put the kernel and initramfs on the disk; finally, use squashfs and unionfs to create a read-only copy of the original filesystem and a read-write mount point for the OS to save temp files to, respectively. |
| 22:56.51 | asterismo | i think in my list of prorities is 1) debian 2) stable release, unless some critical software i need is broken in which i would consider update to testing |
| 22:57.11 | chreuben | chreuben: Also, see http://www.pacificsimplicity.ca/blog/creating-livecd-existing-debian-installation-or-vm |
| 22:57.18 | skilz | Please help! http://paste.debian.net/106452/ |
| 22:57.38 | skilz | So I installed the new kernel from backports and the nvidia kernel module |
| 22:57.45 | skilz | Now I'm stuck |
| 22:58.19 | skilz | That was when I issued the command 'aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms' |
| 22:58.41 | jimbohertz | chreuben: is creating the file system copying my existing one ? |
| 22:59.03 | chreuben | jimbohertz: In the same sense that creating a photocopy is copying an existing document, yes |
| 22:59.11 | sim590 | a |
| 23:00.02 | skilz | I think I figured it out |
| 23:00.12 | jimbohertz | chreuben: im not experienced with the last part about squashfs and unionfs |
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| 23:00.28 | skilz | aptitude -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-driver |
| 23:00.33 | skilz | Seems like thats the one |
| 23:01.10 | zykotick9 | skilz: ahhh, did you add the squeeze-backports or wheezy-backports repo? you are on wheezy right? |
| 23:01.11 | chreuben | jimbohertz: mkdir -p /_add_these/{dev,proc,sys,tmp}; mksquashfs /bin /boot /etc /home /lib /mnt /opt /root /run /sbin /usr /srv /var /_add_these/* <output file> |
| 23:01.22 | skilz | wheezy |
| 23:01.23 | skilz | Yes |
| 23:01.24 | masoudd | themill: I tried the installation a few times again. And it only asks one time. I can't reproduce that strange behavior. I think it had something to do with qemu |
| 23:01.27 | chreuben | jimbohertz: unionfs – see http://unionfs.filesystems.org |
| 23:01.46 | skilz | Sorry I typed the wrong think |
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| 23:02.13 | jimbohertz | chreuben: and how will i boot on it ? |
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| 23:03.00 | chreuben | jimbohertz: Install a boot loader that will load and boot from the kernel and initramfs |
| 23:03.58 | chomwitt | during 6-->7 distupgrade i now get another error which tell me to put lenny in the sources and run 'apt-get install -t lenny linux-image-2.6' |
| 23:03.59 | jimbohertz | chreuben: so initramfs will be filed with a permanent filesystem that will copy itself to a ramdisk each time I boot ? |
| 23:04.43 | chreuben | jimbohertz: That’s the theory, yes. |
| 23:04.58 | jimbohertz | chreuben: aaahhh |
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| 23:06.05 | chreuben | jimbohertz: What if you used a removable medium (thumb driive, MultiMediaCard) instead? You could leave it in, run the OS from the read-only squashfs image, and leave lots of RAM free for actually doing things. |
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| 23:06.36 | jimbohertz | chreuben: its very minimal |
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| 23:06.45 | jimbohertz | chreuben: i wont use it as my Desktop OS |
| 23:06.50 | chreuben | ah |
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| 23:09.15 | jimbohertz | chreuben: how do i put the kernel on it ? |
| 23:09.33 | jimbohertz | chreuben: im a little bit confused mmhhh |
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| 23:17.25 | zykotick9 | jimbohertz: i'm just curious, but, why? do you want to run from RAM only? |
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| 23:22.47 | sim590 | anyone uses gmediarender ? I'm unable to start it. The init.d script fails at line 38... |
| 23:22.58 | sim590 | I don't know why |
| 23:22.59 | sim590 | http://pastebin.com/kd25MMvT |
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| 23:25.40 | jimbohertz | zykotick9: speed... |
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| 23:28.08 | zykotick9 | jimbohertz: well i hope your efforts are worth it... best of luck (IMO seems like a lot of hassel, for something that might not be as fast as you think???) |
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| 23:28.49 | teraflops | sim590: is there any file in /etc/default/whatever regarding that sw onwich you have to set enable to the proper value? |
| 23:29.07 | jimbohertz | zykotick9: thanks |
| 23:30.06 | chreuben | chreuben: You can create a kernel that has a built-in initramfs. I’ve never done it for an initramfs that is hundreds of gigabytes in size, but in theory it should work the same. Create an initramfs; create a kernel with a built-in initramfs; write the whole thing to the disk. |
| 23:30.20 | chreuben | jimbohertz: You can create a kernel that has a built-in initramfs. I’ve never done it for an initramfs that is hundreds of gigabytes in size, but in theory it should work the same. Create an initramfs; create a kernel with a built-in initramfs; write the whole thing to the disk. |
| 23:31.09 | jimbohertz | chreuben: create a kernel with a built in initramfs? |
| 23:31.12 | chreuben | jimbohertz: Considering the speed of the average solid-state disk, are you sure you wouldn’t be better off creating a ramdisk w/ mount -t tmpfs or something, then mapping it to a frequently used folder (/var/cache)? |
| 23:31.13 | sim590 | teraflops: ok. I've found a switch and I've set it, but now it fails. I do service gmediarender start and service gmediarender status outputs fail. |
| 23:31.13 | jimbohertz | chreuben: how |
| 23:31.32 | chreuben | jimbohertz: cd /kernel/source; make menuconfig; … :) Choose the intiramfs as the initramfs from the appropriate menu item. |
| 23:31.42 | teraflops | sim590: fils on the same line? |
| 23:31.48 | teraflops | fails/ |
| 23:32.22 | sim590 | teraflops: no. I haven't found where though |
| 23:32.35 | chreuben | jimbohertz: CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE=__________; or perhaps INITRAMFS_SOURCE=_____ |
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| 23:33.46 | jimbohertz | chreuben: what do i input ? the initramfs I created with mkinitcpio ? |
| 23:33.50 | teraflops | sim590: raspbery pi and alsa? |
| 23:34.02 | chreuben | jimbohertz: That, or the filesystem directory path |
| 23:34.39 | jimbohertz | chreuben: wait you mean i could only input the filesystem directory path and thats it ? |
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| 23:34.44 | jimbohertz | chreuben: / ? |
| 23:34.46 | jimbohertz | chreuben: lol |
| 23:35.07 | chreuben | jimbohertz: In theory, yes. The build script will create a cpio archive & incorporate it in the kernel. |
| 23:35.10 | chreuben | jimbohertz: Are you *sure* this is the best way to solve the problem? It sounds like a lovely bit of fun, but it’ll also take time away from actually addressing the problem itself. |
| 23:35.19 | sim590 | teraflops: no. it's a regular pc. |
| 23:35.31 | teraflops | are you using alsa? sim590 |
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| 23:35.49 | sim590 | yes. |
| 23:35.52 | teraflops | ok |
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| 23:36.25 | chreuben | jimbohertz: By mounting a temporary ramdisk to /var/cache (or wherever), you can get most of the benefits of running 100% from RAM. Also, consider the speed of the average solid-state disk. Consider the virtues of loading the RAM-based OS from a removable disk, e.g. MMC or thumb drive. There is already a tool to do just that. |
| 23:36.29 | jimbohertz | chreuben: yes ssd is slow for what i am doing |
| 23:36.40 | lift | Is there a good start-stop-daemon example script out there for sysvinit on debian? |
| 23:36.41 | chreuben | jimbohertz: No, I’ve not made myself clear. Caching will make ssd not ‘too slow’. |
| 23:36.59 | jimbohertz | chreuben: i have already tried this... |
| 23:37.19 | chreuben | jimbohertz: As have I. There is no tangible speed benefit to running the OS 100% in RAM as opposed to having the squashfs file on a removable disk and the important files in RAM. |
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| 23:37.36 | jimbohertz | chreuben: all file will be important |
| 23:37.46 | chreuben | jimbohertz: You say that, but in practice it doesn’t work like that. :) |
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| 23:38.22 | jimbohertz | for what I am doing, yes |
| 23:38.30 | chreuben | jimbohertz: Then,… good luck. |
| 23:38.56 | jimbohertz | chreuben: thanks! i have learned from you |
| 23:39.02 | chreuben | jimbohertz: I seriously doubt that. |
| 23:39.10 | jimbohertz | chreuben: uh?? xD |
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| 23:39.33 | sim590 | teraflops: I have to go. I'll try to fix that another time. THanks for helping |
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| 23:42.14 | jimbohertz | chreuben: why not? |
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| 23:44.20 | chreuben | jimbohertz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions_that_run_from_RAM <— lots of Linux distros already do what you’re trying to do |
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| 23:47.00 | jimbohertz | chreuben: i have already checked this |
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| 23:47.16 | jimbohertz | chreuben: but i need a very minimal install and custom kernel |
| 23:47.33 | chreuben | jimbohertz: Cryptanalysis, right? |
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| 23:49.17 | zykotick9 | jimbohertz: that reminds me, kali has a forensic mode that doesn't touch the hd, you might be able to see how they do it from a live media. |
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| 23:58.43 | jimbohertz | anyway i have to try it |