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| 01:57.10 | asterismo | Hey, cannot find Rekonq browser in debian testing |
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| 01:57.26 | judd | No package named 'rekong' was found in i386. |
| 01:57.29 | dvs | ,v rekonq |
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| 02:03.02 | dondelelcaro | -S |
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| 02:05.58 | asterismo | seriously there is no package for the KDE web browser Rekonq... ?? |
| 02:06.23 | dvs | not for testing |
| 02:06.58 | asterismo | for sid? |
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| 02:10.09 | Urk | Are there any other programs like Xournal, that let you sign your pdf documents with a mouse? |
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| 02:12.21 | dondelelcaro | Urk: that's the only one I'm aware of |
| 02:12.30 | dondelelcaro | (it's the one I use personally) |
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| 02:13.07 | Urk | dondelecaro: I found one with a zip extension, so I assume it is only windows. The reason I ask is that I have a PDF that xournal can't open up. But the pdf is good and viewable with other viewers. |
| 02:14.07 | abrotman | perhaps try pdftk to repair/convert |
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| 02:16.12 | Urk | dondelelcaro> I figured out the problem. I am opening up JPG, and Xournal wants PDF or docx, so I need to convert to PDF. Wonder what conversion options are in debbie stable? |
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| 02:17.48 | dondelelcaro | Urk: if you've got a JPG, you can sign in just about anything |
| 02:18.08 | dondelelcaro | Urk: for example, you could use gimp, or some other graphics program |
| 02:18.14 | Urk | dondelelcaro> I don't think Xournal does JPG |
| 02:18.25 | Urk | Yeah, GIMP or maybe Krita might work. |
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| 02:23.16 | Urk | Looks like I can sign the GIF/JPEG in Krita |
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| 02:24.36 | abrotman | wonders how the other PDF readers opened it .. |
| 02:25.12 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: evince will open jpg images |
| 02:25.25 | rawfodog | I had an ssd that was luks/encrypted. One day I cold power off and wasnt able to get back in (I got a grub error). So I buy a new hd and reinstall. NOW, I have this harddrive plugged in through usb. When I try to mount the drive I get this error : |
| 02:25.25 | rawfodog | <oxygenfad> Error unlocking device: cryptsetup exited with exit code 1: Requested offset is beyond real size of device /dev/sdb2. |
| 02:25.34 | dondelelcaro | has actually been meaning to port xournal to run ontop of the evince set of libraries |
| 02:26.37 | abrotman | hasn't tried .. odd |
| 02:26.49 | dondelelcaro | rawfodog: hrm. that sounds like either the partition table is screwed up, or the SSD shrunk itself |
| 02:27.06 | dondelelcaro | err, actually, I'm wrong |
| 02:27.17 | dondelelcaro | I thought evince would; it opens almost everythign else |
| 02:27.35 | rawfodog | How can I decryp the drive to rescue mystuff ? |
| 02:27.54 | dondelelcaro | rawfodog: first, try to take an image of the drive |
| 02:28.06 | dondelelcaro | rawfodog: second, look at the partition table to see if it makes any sense |
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| 02:28.16 | rawfodog | how ? |
| 02:28.21 | rawfodog | gparted ? |
| 02:28.29 | dondelelcaro | rawfodog: or fdisk, yes. |
| 02:29.24 | Geraldus | Hi friends! |
| 02:30.58 | Urk | Someone needs to update LibreOffice, it is starting to show signs of fatigue. |
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| 02:32.23 | rawfodog | dondelelcaro, should the 2meg luks part have the bootflag ? |
| 02:34.26 | dondelelcaro | rawfodog: is this a gpt partition table? or a MBR partition table? In general, only the partition which has /boot on it is bootable, but it really shouldn't matter, IIRC. |
| 02:34.41 | dondelelcaro | IIRC, grub totally ignores that flag |
| 02:35.39 | rawfodog | should I take a screen shot of what I see ? Im kind of noobie with linux disk recovery :\ |
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| 02:36.44 | dondelelcaro | rawfodog: sure |
| 02:36.50 | dondelelcaro | rawfodog: or use a paste site to paste the output |
| 02:37.03 | rawfodog | there is no output of gparted tho |
| 02:37.08 | dondelelcaro | rawfodog: the smartctl -a /dev/foo; output would also be useful. |
| 02:37.21 | rawfodog | k |
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| 02:38.26 | dondelelcaro | rawfodog: you can also just run parted /dev/foo print; if you want |
| 02:38.35 | dondelelcaro | rawfodog: it's often more useful than gparted |
| 02:40.16 | rawfodog | dondelelcaro, http://paste.debian.net/106468/ |
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| 02:44.51 | dondelelcaro | rawfodog: OK. And in the parted output, or in the dmesg output, the device is 120G? |
| 02:45.00 | Urk | Does anyone on here use Krita? I would like to know how to resize lettering. |
| 02:45.54 | rawfodog | dondelelcaro, the drive is 120 gigs |
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| 02:48.40 | abrotman | Urk: isn't it a JPG? |
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| 02:49.53 | Urk | abrotman> It was a JPG, but apparently there is an on the fly conversion if you change the file extension to GIF. I have completed the edit in Krita. |
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| 02:52.15 | dondelelcaro | rawfodog: OK. that drive looks to be fine, according to the smart output |
| 02:52.27 | dondelelcaro | rawfodog: so I'm not quite sure why it's not working for you |
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| 02:52.58 | rawfodog | maybe I outputted the wrong drive (I have 2 identical ssd's) |
| 02:53.08 | rawfodog | Ill paste the output of sda just in case |
| 02:53.35 | rawfodog | dondelelcaro, http://paste.debian.net/106469/ |
| 02:53.55 | rawfodog | I basically replaced the failed drive with an identical model.\ |
| 02:54.06 | dondelelcaro | rawfodog: yeah, both of those look OK |
| 02:54.21 | dondelelcaro | http://media.kingston.com/support/downloads/MKP_306_SMART_attribute.pdf <-- this should help you read the smart attributes |
| 02:54.28 | pual | hi guys i need help. synaptic dont have screenshots. why we need type apt-get install libreoffice instead LibreOffice? |
| 02:54.55 | dondelelcaro | pual: all packages in Debian are lower case. |
| 02:54.57 | rawfodog | oh cool thanks :) |
| 02:55.18 | rawfodog | dondelelcaro, so is this drive just screwed ? Like I have some files I'd really like to get off of it ;\ |
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| 02:56.36 | pual | dondelelcaro: please create a yast like tool or a software center too |
| 02:56.55 | pual | is more easy type a name of app instead a name of package |
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| 03:00.29 | goez | helo |
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| 03:02.39 | jmcnaught | pual: debian already has lots of ways to install software. Maybe install the software-center package if that's what you're looking for. Also don't forget that Debian is an all-volunteer project :) |
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| 03:04.17 | pual | jmcnaught: when debian is ready for end user? |
| 03:04.47 | pual | jmcnaught: do you know yast? |
| 03:05.15 | jmcnaught | pual: it already is. if you're having trouble using it you should check out some documentation. I highly recommend http://debian-handbook.info/ |
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| 03:06.07 | pual | jmcnaught: are you a developer? |
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| 03:06.40 | jmcnaught | pual: and if you're having trouble with something after reading up on how to do it, you're welcome to ask for help here. Insisting that Debian should be more like some other distro probably won't get you very far though. And no, I'm not a Debian Developer, I'm just a regular user who likes to help |
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| 03:07.40 | jmcnaught | pual: so if you have support questions please ask (detailed) questions. Otherwise this is not a place to air complaints. |
| 03:09.10 | pual | jmcnaught: ok how to install sisimedia video driver easy |
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| 03:11.26 | jmcnaught | pual: oh it's you :) can you run the command "lspci -nn | grep VGA" and tell me what it shows in the 9 characters between [ and ]? It should look something like [8086:2a42] |
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| 03:15.03 | jmcnaught | pual: also while you're doing that, do you have any graphics displaying at all? are you able to log in to a desktop environment? It would also help if you put the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log on http://paste.debian.net and give us the link |
| 03:16.03 | pual | jmcnaught: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter [1039:6351] (rev 10) |
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| 03:17.10 | oxez | hey. I want to install the kde-standard package to try out KDE. If I decide I don't want to keep using it, will running "apt-get autoremove kde-standard" also remove the packages that were installed with this meta-package? |
| 03:18.35 | pual | jmcnaught: I cant logoff. I can only reboot |
| 03:18.50 | zykotick9 | oxez: i don't use apt-get often, but i think "apt-get autoremove" is run by itself, without a package name - to get the stuff remove/purge misses. |
| 03:18.55 | jmcnaught | judd: pciid 1039:6351 |
| 03:18.57 | judd | [1039:6351] is '771/671 PCIE VGA Display Adapter' from 'Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1039:6351 |
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| 03:19.30 | oxez | zykotick9: hm, I usually use it to remove a package and its dependencies at the same time, not sure if that's a good way of doing it, but it works :P |
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| 03:20.02 | oxez | I'm just not sure about kde-standard, since it's a meta-package |
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| 03:20.34 | pual | judd: there's a opensource video driver in github |
| 03:20.42 | zykotick9 | oxez: i don't think apt-get removes stuff by default. i _believe_ aptitude might be closer, to doing this in real-time (but even that my vary?). good luck. |
| 03:20.47 | jmcnaught | pual: do you see what the judd bot just said? ^^^ It doesn't look like even a kernel from backports would help if sid (unstable) doesn't have a kernel module for that card. Still I bet it works in VESA fallback mode. You can login to a desktop, but you're having trouble logging out? |
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| 03:21.29 | pual | jmcnaught: I tried install mageia driver in debian, but dont work 100% |
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| 03:22.36 | jmcnaught | oxez: I believe with apt-get you need to do it in two steps. First remove kde-standard, then run the autoremove command. From what I understand aptitude will remove all the dependencies along with the meta-package |
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| 03:23.17 | jmcnaught | oxez: of course, be very careful when removing multiple packages. read the list of proposed changes closely and look up any packages you're not sure about |
| 03:23.24 | oxez | jmcnaught: thanks. I knew that apt-get remove and then autoremove would get rid of unused deps, but I wasn't sure if it also did it for metapackages |
| 03:23.32 | jmcnaught | pual: installed the mageia driver how? |
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| 03:24.59 | pual | jmcnaught: I just used alien to convert the package to deb |
| 03:25.09 | pual | pkgs.org |
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| 03:26.04 | jmcnaught | pual: it's not surprising that it didn't work if it wasn't originally compiled for Debian. Installing software from arbitrary websites is a bad-habit when it comes to Debian |
| 03:26.49 | pual | jmcnaught: ok How I will obtain 3d software aceleration on my system? |
| 03:26.55 | pual | Vesa dont work with 3d |
| 03:27.30 | jmcnaught | pual: you might be out of luck. Is this a laptop or desktop? |
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| 03:27.54 | pual | jmcnaught: theres a source code on github but i am not a nerd and i don't know to modify the code. I am a laptop |
| 03:28.48 | pual | jmcnaught: do you know ndiswrapper? can you create a win32kwrapper for video driver? I want sis video blob |
| 03:29.23 | jmcnaught | pual: if it's a desktop you may consider picking up a cheap nvidia or ati card (research the compatibility first, but most of those cards will work) |
| 03:29.26 | zykotick9 | pual: or is it EvilPual? cross posting is rude. doing it between #d and #u makes me question what you are actually running for a distro there. |
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| 03:30.10 | jmcnaught | pual: ndiswrapper is only for network adapters. I'm not aware of anything like it for video drivers |
| 03:30.13 | pual | jmcnaught: hire me please to buy a new computer |
| 03:30.28 | jmcnaught | zykotick9: he was here earlier as cowabunga |
| 03:31.06 | pual | jmcnaught: the nickname isnt important |
| 03:31.13 | pual | the important is help |
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| 03:32.18 | jmcnaught | pual: sorry but i'm too poor :P I'm gonna go watch some vids now. Also since you insisted in all caps earlier that you're not a troll, you should consider improving your IRC etiquette so you don't accidently give us that impression. Best of luck! |
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| 03:40.33 | pual | if jmcnaught can't help me, who can help me? |
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| 03:50.53 | Spitting_Cobra | Can someone tell me the version number for the Libreoffice update that is in the backports? I tried adding this file, and it didn't install. |
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| 03:52.18 | shingouz | ,v libreoffice |
| 03:52.19 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:4.2.4-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.2.4-4; sid: 1:4.2.5-1; experimental: 1:4.3.0~rc1-1 |
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| 03:55.45 | pual | can someone put handbrake and higan emulaton on backports please? |
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| 03:56.47 | shay_shay | maybe someone can explain this, whenever i need to edit a sysfs file , for example "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" , ofc i need root to do that. but sudo perm denied unless i sudo su -c "" it |
| 03:56.51 | shay_shay | ? |
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| 03:58.00 | pual | judd: add higan emulator and handbrake on backports please. add sisimedia driver too please. |
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| 04:01.06 | ctmjr | judd is a bot but that was kinda funny |
| 04:01.16 | shay_shay | HALP |
| 04:02.47 | Rusty1 | shay_shay: perhaps it might be better to explain what you are trying to accomplish in the script |
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| 04:03.28 | pual | what debian does and ubuntu dont does? |
| 04:03.55 | shay_shay | pual: "but ubuntu doesnt do" ?? |
| 04:04.16 | pual | shay_shay: yes man yes |
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| 04:05.37 | DHowett | I have to question the wisdom of making wicd a metapackage and wicd-daemon "just the daemon" when wicd-daemon depends on wicd-gtk and wicd-python *anyway*, making the metapackage version pointless. |
| 04:05.47 | shay_shay | Rusty1: i just want to know why i cant echo into write protected files with sudo. it works on other distros, but i assume there is a reason for it |
| 04:05.49 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell pual why debian |
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| 04:08.25 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell pual -about why debian |
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| 04:09.11 | pual | jmcnaught: lol ? |
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| 04:09.43 | pual | jmcnaught: ok i read |
| 04:09.49 | jmcnaught | pual: sorry i didn't instruct the bot properly the first time |
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| 04:38.27 | Geraldus | Hi all ) |
| 04:38.29 | Geraldus | Hey freinds, I’m having troubles building GHC 7.6.2 on Debian 7. Current version of GHC is 7.4.1, `make` process finishing with this weird message: `cd libraries && sh gen_contents_index --inplace`. Trying to run `make install` reports error. Here is paste (http://dpaste.com/3M3XJMY) |
| 04:38.49 | asterismo | is it safe to use debian-backports? |
| 04:40.57 | jmcnaught | Geraldus: as a regular user you probably don't have write permission to /usr/local unless you're a member of the staff group. |
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| 04:41.34 | jmcnaught | Geraldus: you might also consider using someting like stow to keep track of the software that "make install" is putting on your system to make it easier to remove later on. /msg dpkg stow |
| 04:41.42 | Geraldus | asterismo: I assume not all the time. For example I’ve installed from backport tmux and git. Looks like it work fine ) |
| 04:42.31 | Geraldus | jmcnaught: so, I should add this user to `staff` group? |
| 04:42.53 | jmcnaught | asterismo: it's safe to use backports on desktops especially, but you might consider keeping the number of packages installed from their to a minimum. Debian does extensive testing to make sure that releases are upgradeable to the next release, but I think not as much effort is put into testing the backports |
| 04:43.26 | jmcnaught | Geraldus: honestly i wouldn't recommend running "make install" at all, but if you must you should use something like stow.. ask dpkg for details with the command i suggested ^^ |
| 04:44.02 | asterismo | ok |
| 04:44.03 | asterismo | thanks |
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| 04:44.50 | BlaDe^ | Hi, does anyone knwo what's going on here? http://pastie.org/private/ztd59ynibuzvyisl516fgq |
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| 04:45.47 | Geraldus | jmcnaught: Ok, in my case I have to do it, beacuase GHC version which is being shipped by default is very outdated. I guess I’ve understood you, thanks ) |
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| 04:46.27 | jmcnaught | Geraldus: just try to think ahead before you use "make install" about how easy it'll be to upgrade/remove the software in the future |
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| 04:47.08 | jmcnaught | Geraldus: you might also be able to compile it to install just in your home directory with something like "./configure --prefix=/home/me" (check the GHC install instructions for info on that though) |
| 04:47.22 | BlaDe^ | resize2fs doesn't do anything, it says it's all ready N blocks long |
| 04:47.23 | dan89 | can anyone recommend an easy way to play correspondence chess on linux these days? |
| 04:48.01 | Geraldus | jmcnaught: this will install GHC non-system-wide, right? It is acceptable I belive. |
| 04:48.05 | Geraldus | *believe |
| 04:48.34 | asterismo | i just added backports and the syste, did not upgraded any package |
| 04:48.51 | jmcnaught | Geraldus: well it's your system :) just my advice is before installing, think about how upgrades/removal will work |
| 04:48.58 | Geraldus | asterismo: after that you should first run `apt-get update` |
| 04:49.05 | asterismo | yes |
| 04:49.09 | asterismo | did it |
| 04:49.17 | asterismo | even did dist-upgrade |
| 04:49.22 | asterismo | nothing |
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| 04:50.33 | Geraldus | asterismo: Then you can install packacke from backports using `apt-get -t <backports name> install <package name>` |
| 04:51.02 | BlaDe^ | anyone have any ideas about my storage issue? |
| 04:51.14 | Geraldus | e.g. `apt-get -t wheezy-backports install git` |
| 04:51.39 | Geraldus | BlaDe^: sorry dude, I don’t familiar with raisefs |
| 04:51.49 | jmcnaught | asterismo: what i would do is see if the version in wheezy works for you, and if you cannot do what you need to, then try the backport. Don't just go for the newer version because the number is higher |
| 04:51.51 | BlaDe^ | it's so odd fisk -l reports different to df -h |
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| 04:52.33 | asterismo | i just wanted to know what was for upgrade in my system |
| 04:52.38 | asterismo | see the packages |
| 04:53.23 | Cpuroast | asterismo: as far as I know packages from the stable distro will take precedence over backports |
| 04:53.38 | Cpuroast | so you have to install an upgraded one manually |
| 04:53.42 | Cpuroast | however |
| 04:53.48 | Cpuroast | you could look into apt-pinning |
| 04:54.03 | Cpuroast | if you want to have backports take precedence |
| 04:55.04 | Geraldus | jmcnaught: I have a lot Gentoo expirirence, so I’ve already know that building from source may sometimes make a lot of troubles. But I believe I have no another option, because I *need* GHC 7.8.2 in final, to obtain it I have to upgrade from 7.4.1 to 7.6.2 first, and then I have to build another version once again. |
| 04:55.16 | Geraldus | *a lot of |
| 04:55.56 | jmcnaught | Geraldus: well building from source is diffferent than with gentoo.. if you run "make install" there's no emerge(?) to remove or upgrade it for you |
| 04:56.06 | jmcnaught | Geraldus: this is why i suggest you look into using stow |
| 04:56.58 | Geraldus | jmcnaught: I’ve study it in a minute, pal. Thank you once again. |
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| 05:18.45 | Geraldus | jmcnaught: stow is cool, I’ll use it (reading docs now), but what about `staff` group? |
| 05:20.30 | asterismo | is icedove the same version as thunderbird and iceweasel the same version of firefox? |
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| 05:24.41 | jmcnaught | Geraldus: there's information at this link about the staff and other groups: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch12.en.html#s-faq-os-users |
| 05:25.56 | jmcnaught | Geraldus: if you add your user to the staff group, it will have write permissions to /usr/local. Or you could become root to install the software if you don't want your user to have that kind of access all the time. Or compile with a different unique user that is a member of staff is another way |
| 05:26.18 | Geraldus | Ok |
| 05:29.41 | nitz | The package "initramfs-tools" is stuck in a "half-configured" state. "sudo dpkg --configure -a" results in the process getting stuck at "Running post-installation trigger initramfs-tools" & "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-####" & "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl####" (running "apt-cache search rtl####.fw" shows the correct name, so I think that means I have the non-free drivers already in cache). Any suggestions on res |
| 05:29.41 | nitz | olving this? |
| 05:31.41 | jmcnaught | !sudo path |
| 05:31.41 | dpkg | As of sudo version 1.8.2 (Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases), sudo does not include /usr/sbin and /sbin in the PATH. You must set secure_path in /etc/sudoers (as prompted by dpkg during the upgrade); see Debian bug #639841: Defaults secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
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| 05:33.58 | shingouz | nitz: i believe you should install firmware-linux first |
| 05:34.39 | jmcnaught | nitz: it might work better if you use "su" instead of "sudo", or set the secure_path as suggested by dpkg ^^. Also "apt-cache search" searches for the availability of a package. "apt-cache policy $package" tells you if a package is installed or not (or dpkg -l $package) |
| 05:34.48 | shingouz | nitz: apt-cache search does not show the installed state, dpkg -l <packagename> does |
| 05:35.14 | shingouz | i stand (partly) corrected |
| 05:35.25 | jmcnaught | teamwork! |
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| 05:36.16 | nitz | shingouz: & jmcnaught: Should I try to install firmware-linux (or anything) while my packages are still in a half-configured state? |
| 05:36.43 | shingouz | i would. not sure if that is the proper way, but i would |
| 05:36.56 | nitz | I tried "su -" and got the same result (stuck in the dpkg process with no activity). |
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| 05:38.02 | shingouz | nitz: your dpkg error tells pretty much what the problem is: a missing piece of firmware. you need to get that installed before you can process the rest of the packages |
| 05:39.45 | nitz | shingouz: when I try to run the apt-get install of firmware-linux I just get the error about how dpkg was interrupted and how I need to do "sudo dpkg --configure -a". Is there a work around? |
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| 05:40.11 | jmcnaught | nitz: the missing firmware message is a warning and might be unrelated to initramfs-tools not finishing its install. It might help if you paste the entire output to paste.debian.net |
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| 05:43.51 | jmcnaught | nitz: or were there any other related problems you were having? is this a fresh install, or did this just happen out of the blue? it also help if you tell us which debian release this is. Anyways I need to get to bed but I hope you figure it out :) |
| 05:45.11 | nitz | Thanks for the help. I will try my best from here. |
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| 05:56.54 | Yoshi1 | i accidetnally removed my last panel on the desktop how do i get it back |
| 05:57.47 | Yoshi1 | or add a panel to the desktop |
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| 05:59.40 | dotDeb | Just switched to Debian w/ KDE and loving it :) |
| 05:59.45 | dotDeb | stable, that is |
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| 06:06.56 | Yoshi1 | i have no taskmanger systemtray start icon nothing can someone pklease tell me how to add one back |
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| 06:07.49 | dotDeb | yoshil, taskmanager systemtray? what DE are you using? |
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| 06:11.14 | Geraldus | jmcnaught: Oh, it turned out that I've misunderstood you and I have no ability to make install with stow support. So I’ll just build my GHC as root user :) But thanks anyway, I’ve read a lot of usefull information |
| 06:11.16 | Yoshi1 | dotDeb: kde but i accidentally removed my only panel |
| 06:12.00 | dotDeb | yoshil right click > new panel |
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| 06:12.25 | dotDeb | yoshil you may have to unlock widgets first and then add panel |
| 06:13.07 | Geraldus | One more question yet: export PATH makes permanent PATH changes or only for current session? |
| 06:14.18 | Yoshi1 | dotDeb: oh i managed to add it you do that from the actual desktop but now the panel is doing that stupid windows panel tab thing |
| 06:14.31 | Yoshi1 | where if theres multiple windows under a heading it compresses them into one tab |
| 06:14.33 | Yoshi1 | god i hate that |
| 06:15.01 | dotDeb | yoshil right click panel > task manager settings >grouping and sorting>do not group |
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| 06:15.30 | Yoshi1 | there is no task manager option |
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| 06:15.52 | Yoshi1 | oh there is it isnt on the blank panel itself |
| 06:15.53 | dotDeb | yoshil when you right click on the panel what do you see? |
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| 06:16.07 | dotDeb | yoshil add a default panel not blank |
| 06:16.10 | Yoshi1 | when i right click the panel i always make sure not to catch one of the widget things |
| 06:16.16 | nagersasdasdt | I can not install debian, it just beeps when i select install from the launch menu. |
| 06:16.20 | Yoshi1 | i did add a default panel |
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| 06:16.34 | Yoshi1 | dotDeb: i figured it out |
| 06:16.37 | dotDeb | yoshil awesome |
| 06:17.03 | dotDeb | nagersasdasdt it just beeps and does absolutely nothing else? the screen doesnt change? it just stays at the boot screen? |
| 06:17.12 | nagersasdasdt | dotDeb: yup |
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| 06:17.28 | dotDeb | nagersasdasdt what are you booting off of? |
| 06:17.49 | nagersasdasdt | dotDeb: USB |
| 06:17.58 | dotDeb | nagersasdasdt live usb? |
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| 06:18.06 | dotDeb | nagersasdasdt and what did you use to make it? dd? |
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| 06:18.41 | nagersasdasdt | dotDeb: i used yumi, but i have also tried unetbootin. dd in windows is not to be trusted. |
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| 06:19.05 | dotDeb | nagersasdasdt hmmmmm |
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| 06:20.25 | dotDeb | nagersasdasdt and unetbootin gave you the exact same problem? |
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| 06:22.31 | nagersasdasdt | dotDeb: not exactly. there the installer starts but fails to find a cd |
| 06:22.50 | nagersasdasdt | perhps it is an EFI issue, tho |
| 06:22.52 | dotDeb | nagersasdasdt fails to find a CD? why does it look for a CD? |
| 06:23.11 | nagersasdasdt | no idea. but that is where it fails |
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| 06:23.30 | dotDeb | :S |
| 06:23.32 | nagersasdasdt | this machine has bios and EFI but the EFI is disabled |
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| 06:23.48 | dotDeb | If you have access to another linux machine dd has yet to fail me |
| 06:23.52 | nagersasdasdt | if i turn it on the dual boot situation gets very wonky |
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| 07:03.59 | chomwitt | during dist-upgrade from 6 to 7 i was asked to install a lenny linux kernel! is that a bad sign for my system? should i proceed and follow what apt-get says? |
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| 07:08.18 | babilen | chomwitt: You probably lack a suitable metapackage (e.g. linux-image-amd64 for amd64 systems) that pulls in the latest kernel. Could you show us the output of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'linux-image*'" on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 07:10.05 | chomwitt | ok |
| 07:11.36 | chomwitt | it couldnt find packages matching linux-image* |
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| 07:12.59 | chomwitt | anyway i see that uname -a says :2.6.18-028stab092.1 . and i've read another forum that maybe that is lenny kernel and my wheezy installation was broken all that time without me knowing it |
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| 07:14.32 | some-cowbell | I want to try getting direct rendering going... how would I do that? |
| 07:15.12 | formorer | chomwitt: this is not a lenny kernel, it is a virtuaso kernel. You are running a virtualized instance and you can't change the kernel. |
| 07:15.17 | formorer | eh virtuso |
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| 07:16.03 | jelly-home | virtuozzo, or openvz |
| 07:16.08 | chomwitt | formorer: yep my system is hosted in a virtual server |
| 07:16.12 | babilen | And an ancient one at that ... |
| 07:16.34 | chomwitt | so what can i do? |
| 07:16.40 | formorer | they are 2.6.18 or 2.6.28 |
| 07:16.48 | formorer | chomwitt: complain to your hoster. |
| 07:16.50 | babilen | chomwitt: You get the kernel of host system so you can do nothing but change to a different hoster |
| 07:16.56 | formorer | there is nothing you can do |
| 07:17.07 | jelly-home | 2011, not that ancient, but doesn't support wheezy glibc build |
| 07:17.16 | formorer | except of avoiding virtuozzo instances |
| 07:17.29 | babilen | (and OpenVZ) |
| 07:17.32 | jelly-home | or using one based on el6 instead of el5 |
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| 07:18.06 | formorer | it is always a good idea to avoid them. they have several limitations. |
| 07:18.38 | jelly-home | they're also extremely cheap, and still most proven container tech |
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| 07:20.41 | jelly-home | that said, I have a 2€ Xen vps so those aren't pricey these days either, and running own kernel with full iptables support and boot console is indeed advantageous |
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| 07:21.09 | some-cowbell | looking to get DRI/DRM going, lspci shows this as my video: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]... what else do I need to know? |
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| 07:22.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell some-cowbell -about radeon |
| 07:22.33 | some-cowbell | how do I see dpkg priv messages on the web interface? |
| 07:22.35 | babilen | some-cowbell: Make sure that you have firmware installed if you use the open radeon driver. Installing fglrx is probably an option too. |
| 07:22.39 | chomwitt | but the host is very know ,how could they do that mistake. i mean surely someone else must have tried to upgrade! |
| 07:22.40 | babilen | dpkg: radeon |
| 07:22.40 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 07:22.52 | babilen | some-cowbell: No idea, but read ^^^ |
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| 07:23.17 | some-cowbell | oh ok, thanks |
| 07:23.35 | babilen | some-cowbell: So essentially make sure that you have firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri installed and reboot. |
| 07:23.49 | babilen | (haven't checked support for that particular card though) |
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| 07:24.54 | some-cowbell | it was working at one time, then I got a laptop, and this radeon mobo box sat for a few years, I put it back up, and dist-upgraded it, that could have removed the drivers, not sure. |
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| 07:25.53 | some-cowbell | oh, I forgot the -nn on lspci; one sec |
| 07:26.38 | some-cowbell | VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series] [1002:791e] |
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| 07:38.52 | some-cowbell | ok, installing the firmware package made it rebuild an initrd |
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| 07:39.59 | babilen | some-cowbell: Yes, install libgl1-mesa-dri too and reboot. |
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| 07:40.49 | some-cowbell | babilen: that one was already installed. ok, rebooting |
| 07:41.01 | some-cowbell | scratches head... rebooting? hmm |
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| 07:52.20 | some-cowbell | back, I need to see the package install log to check which initrd it rebuilt |
| 07:52.58 | some-cowbell | where would I find this log? |
| 07:54.11 | some-cowbell | tried glxgears, threw an error... want to make sure I do have the right firmware in place; would there be also a log that shows it loading? |
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| 08:08.05 | peetaur2 | some-cowbell: every machine I ever tried with fglrx would not run glxgears |
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| 08:09.03 | peetaur2 | (but I also didn't test games... was fiddling with things like GPU passthrough, and OpenCL) |
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| 08:09.45 | some-cowbell | peetaur2, hi. |
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| 08:11.19 | some-cowbell | peetaur2, trying to go lower level just enough to see if firmware loaded... I'm looking at dmesg and I have no idea what I'm looking for. Am I even looking in the right place? |
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| 08:12.13 | peetaur2 | some-cowbell: not sure how to check for firmware. But I just wanted to say you should not rely on glxgears, and test something else. |
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| 08:12.36 | some-cowbell | oh ok... glxinfo? |
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| 08:14.32 | peetaur2 | no .... more like supertuxkart |
| 08:14.43 | peetaur2 | or whatever you intended to run with it originally |
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| 08:14.47 | peetaur2 | and then if they fail, then go to the low level stuff |
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| 08:16.34 | some-cowbell | ok, that seems reasonable,,, btw glxgears and glxinfo both say this: http://pastie.org/9318978 |
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| 08:16.58 | some-cowbell | which I'm pretty sure at least glxgears was saying before |
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| 08:25.22 | some-cowbell | if I wanted to try fglrx, is that installable from packages? |
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| 08:26.20 | babilen | some-cowbell: What does "glxinfo|grep -E 'render(er|ing)'" give you? |
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| 08:31.12 | babilen | some-cowbell: And yes, fglrx is installable from packages. You probably want to install it from wheezy-backports and you'll find general instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 08:31.20 | babilen | dpkg: wheezy-backports |
| 08:31.21 | t4nk987 | what is the mp3 player that have GUI but not Qt, and have less dependencies, NOT vlc couse am will remove samba-libs to get nano desktop |
| 08:31.21 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the "Jessie" (8.0) release of Debian but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 08:31.43 | babilen | (you naturally want the sources.list entry to end in "main contrib non-free") |
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| 08:32.21 | vak0160 | t4nk987: deadbeef ? |
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| 08:32.51 | yann2 | hello! Fighting with debhelper - would there be a dh_install that could extract from a zip file? |
| 08:32.55 | t4nk987 | vak0160: al will google it |
| 08:33.13 | vak0160 | t4nk987: u can use deb-multimedia repo to download it |
| 08:33.44 | t4nk987 | vak0160: yes, i see that its not at main |
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| 08:35.10 | stojic | It might be better to just get the .deb from deadbeef web site. It is statically built so it only has basic dependencies. |
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| 08:37.21 | cynicallemon | do people need GUI's to play music? |
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| 08:38.03 | t4nk987 | yes, and i need to play video too |
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| 08:38.54 | `just1n | no it's just easier than putting in the time to learn configs |
| 08:38.56 | cynicallemon | t4nk987, if you have mplayer installed which most will then try gnome-mplayer |
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| 08:39.09 | vak0160 | t4nk987: or smplayer |
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| 08:39.15 | cynicallemon | yep |
| 08:40.00 | gebjgd | cynicallemon: yes |
| 08:40.12 | hyper_ch | hi there, I tried to setup a raid1 system with efi/gpt... I needed to create a first partition for the EFIBoot stuff.... however I cannot make that to a raid. Teh partition is only fat32.... so once I have everything up, can I just mount that fat32 partition and copy the contents from sda1 to sdb1? |
| 08:40.16 | gebjgd | cynicallemon: my wife as example |
| 08:40.20 | t4nk987 | i have a little problem with debian backport repo |
| 08:40.29 | t4nk987 | like: gnome-mplayer : Depends: libgmlib0 (>= 1.0.5) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 08:40.53 | t4nk987 | and i can install kde couse an pulseaudio i think... |
| 08:40.59 | t4nk987 | can't* |
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| 08:41.17 | live_ | does anyone have any numbers on ram and cpu use comparing gnome with kde xfce and others? |
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| 08:41.47 | gebjgd | live_: no, but i would like to tell you, i have my apu netbook running with kde |
| 08:42.10 | cynicallemon | live_, goes like this xfce low, gnome so so, kde wth! |
| 08:42.17 | live_ | apu? |
| 08:42.27 | live_ | hahaha ok thanks |
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| 08:42.31 | gebjgd | live_: yes |
| 08:42.34 | gebjgd | live_: amd apu |
| 08:42.36 | vak0160 | live_: http://www.renewablepcs.com/about-linux/kde-gnome-or-xfce |
| 08:42.40 | gebjgd | live_: with 2g ram |
| 08:42.47 | live_ | of the 'light' window managers which one is still kinda full featured/ |
| 08:43.38 | gebjgd | live_: xfce4 |
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| 08:44.15 | cynicallemon | gebjgd, xfce is a desktop environment |
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| 08:44.32 | gebjgd | cynicallemon: live_ xfwm |
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| 08:44.56 | live_ | thank you! |
| 08:45.05 | live_ | desktop environment is what I meant |
| 08:45.23 | live_ | is a window manager part of the de, or does the de run inside the wm? |
| 08:45.26 | cynicallemon | ah ok then xfce |
| 08:45.43 | live_ | which leads me to . . . what about WMs? |
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| 08:46.04 | live_ | can I get a windows analogy comparind the concept of WM with DE? I dont quite understand the diff |
| 08:46.11 | cynicallemon | live_, ive always gone for openbox |
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| 08:46.21 | vak0160 | live_: WM is part of DE I guess |
| 08:46.35 | vak0160 | xfce using xfwm, lde using openbox |
| 08:46.39 | vak0160 | lxde* |
| 08:46.52 | some-cowbell | babilen, glxinfo output is this error message: http://pastie.org/9318978 |
| 08:46.56 | vak0160 | although openbox can run on its own |
| 08:47.21 | stojic | live_: Window managers draw and manage windows, other programs (panel, config programs, notification daemon etc) together with a window manager make up the desktop environment. |
| 08:47.28 | talin | what do you guys use as a "user account database" if you have lots of servers? can you use something like radius, or must you use e.g. ldap? |
| 08:47.29 | omarek | 1. Why don't more people use 'locate' instead of 'find' ? |
| 08:47.38 | live_ | ahh, I see |
| 08:47.40 | cynicallemon | live_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/18078/what-is-the-difference-between-a-desktop-environment-and-a-window-manager |
| 08:48.01 | peetaur2 | live_: open task manager, kill explorer.exe.... voilla, you have a WM (for a few seconds until your explorer.exe starts again) hit ctrl+shift+esc for task manager, where you can click file>>run and run another program (such as explorer.exe) |
| 08:48.08 | live_ | VAK can you inform me about lxde vs x/x vs /l/o |
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| 08:48.28 | live_ | ok cool |
| 08:48.34 | peetaur2 | there are cases where explorer.exe is broken horribly (maybe always), and then you can do stuff like that to fix it |
| 08:48.37 | t4nk987 | nice mplayer, have no smbclient dep :) |
| 08:49.40 | vak0160 | live_: someone posted this http://www.renewablepcs.com/about-linux/kde-gnome-or-xfce |
| 08:50.00 | babilen | some-cowbell: Looks as if your GPU is not supported by the radeon version in wheezy a kernel upgrade to the one in backports might be sufficient, but you *might* need a newer xserver-xorg-video-radeon version. #radeon would know about that, the fglrx-driver version in wheezy-backports or wheezy might, however, work fine. I'd also take a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 08:50.28 | babilen | some-cowbell: I am, however, now working on something else and won't therefore be too active in here. |
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| 08:53.37 | cynicallemon | vak0160, gnome memory consumption seems a bit high on that blog page. for me xfce would be about 220MB, Gnome 400MB and KDE 600MB+ |
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| 08:54.32 | cynicallemon | vak0160, but depends what bells and whistles you include for each |
| 08:54.35 | vak0160 | cynicallemon: I got it from someone though |
| 08:55.08 | vak0160 | usally, for memory usage: lxde < xfce < gnome < kde < unity |
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| 08:55.12 | vak0160 | usually* |
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| 08:55.22 | cynicallemon | yeah agreed |
| 08:55.47 | cynicallemon | but i find lxde lacking a bit against xfce |
| 08:56.06 | vak0160 | yeah |
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| 08:56.41 | vak0160 | i want to try lxqt though |
| 08:56.59 | cynicallemon | looks interesting |
| 08:57.02 | some-cowbell | babilen, ok, thanks for your help |
| 08:57.17 | live_ | where would you place lxqt relative to lxde and xfce? |
| 08:57.38 | vak0160 | live_: lxde using qt instead of gtk and added more features |
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| 08:58.23 | vak0160 | but its still on sid |
| 08:58.56 | cynicallemon | still early days for lxqt |
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| 09:00.00 | babilen | some-cowbell: My recommendation would be to try fglrx from wheezy-backports. |
| 09:00.04 | babilen | all the best! |
| 09:00.17 | some-cowbell | live_, there isn't an analogy that's close enough to windows to have you understand with references to it... look at it this way: there's another piece to talk about, and that's the x server itself... that's basically taking your screen and giving it graphics, and listening to the mouse and keyboard. |
| 09:00.31 | some-cowbell | babilen, same toya |
| 09:00.38 | live_ | are there different x servers or just one/ |
| 09:01.07 | vak0160 | live_: for now just one |
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| 09:01.16 | some-cowbell | live_, there's one, with separated drivers per video card and per different kind of mouse and keyboard |
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| 09:02.04 | cynicallemon | live for graphical servers, x still dominates but we have wayland and mir joining the fray |
| 09:02.26 | vak0160 | still a long way for wayland and mir though |
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| 09:02.57 | some-cowbell | x servers can have windows (not m$), and positions for them, but these windows lack any kind of decoration, no closebox, title bar, other buttons |
| 09:03.07 | cynicallemon | waylands coming along though it seems but still a way to go |
| 09:04.04 | cynicallemon | mir i think will end up like upstart |
| 09:04.22 | vak0160 | short lived ;p |
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| 09:04.40 | some-cowbell | the different window managers use the windows of the x server, and put these decorations on them, and respond to them (so a window manager is how you would be able to close a window with its close box, and drag it around to move or resize it) |
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| 09:05.08 | live_ | ahh yes. a long time ago I tried out a distro that had x but no wm or de. |
| 09:05.15 | cynicallemon | yeah, i would like to see them do it but as with upstart it was basically a on distro shop |
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| 09:05.27 | cynicallemon | *one |
| 09:05.31 | some-cowbell | live_, right, and you couldn't move the windows right? |
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| 09:06.54 | live_ | my memory is too foggy to say, but I recall it being crippled but not entrirely without merit. |
| 09:06.56 | vak0160 | some-cowbell: what about session manager ? |
| 09:06.56 | cynicallemon | can anyone move to windows once on Linux? |
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| 09:07.44 | some-cowbell | vak0160, a session manager is usually part of a de |
| 09:08.22 | pbunny | hi, i have a problem with bumblebee |
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| 09:08.38 | pbunny | on intel card i'm getting about 8000 fps in glxgears |
| 09:08.53 | cynicallemon | pbunny, cool |
| 09:08.54 | pbunny | when i run it through optirun or primusrun (using nvidia gpu), i get only about 900 fps |
| 09:09.12 | pbunny | http://dump.bitcheese.net/texts/ywibato/Plaintext - bumblebeed log |
| 09:09.13 | formorer | please repeat 100 times: glxgears is not a valid benchmark |
| 09:09.20 | pbunny | can you point at what is wrong there? |
| 09:09.33 | pbunny | formorer: 900 fps vs 8000 fps is pretty weird though |
| 09:09.43 | pbunny | also, see the errors in log |
| 09:09.53 | pbunny | e.g. http://dump.bitcheese.net/texts/ywibato/Plaintext |
| 09:09.54 | pbunny | oops |
| 09:10.01 | live_ | hey, in a normal distro, if you boot to commandline, how do you start x but not the window manager? |
| 09:10.12 | pbunny | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.16 | cynicallemon | startx |
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| 09:10.44 | vak0160 | cynicallemon: startx also start the DE iirc |
| 09:10.48 | formorer | yeah it shouldn't segfault. But it is a non-free driver, so no support from here. you may want to ask nvidia |
| 09:11.03 | pbunny | formorer: segfault is irrelevant, it happened only after i closed glxgears |
| 09:11.15 | formorer | segfaults are never irrelevant |
| 09:11.18 | pbunny | happened on other pcs with nvidia driver frequently |
| 09:11.24 | pbunny | even without bumblebee |
| 09:11.29 | Johnon | does debian have a gui similar or at least something that simplify the programs search like ubuntu software center? |
| 09:11.39 | cynicallemon | vak0160, by default startx will start an x session with the default TWM window manager |
| 09:11.41 | vak0160 | Johnon: synaptic |
| 09:11.58 | cynicallemon | hail synaptic |
| 09:12.33 | live_ | If I change the name of the wm will x not start at all, or start without it? |
| 09:12.52 | vak0160 | cynicallemon: I see, its been a long time since I use startx, since the first time I used linux |
| 09:13.04 | cynicallemon | so was on ubuntu last night and opened the software center, one of the "must have" apps on the main page was synaptic lol |
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| 09:13.42 | some-cowbell | live_, finally a desktop env uses a window manager to paint and listen to the decorations on windows, but also adds things like panels and menus that are kinda like the start menu, and let you add launchers from the menu onto panels, and stuff like that |
| 09:14.10 | cynicallemon | vak0160, yeah, to start a DE or WM you have to make a .xinitrc file and specify what you want to start |
| 09:14.53 | some-cowbell | live_, to start just X, there is an executable called: X |
| 09:15.36 | cynicallemon | you can start xfce directly by issuing startxfce4 |
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| 09:16.01 | some-cowbell | X is said to have the mechanisms to implement different user interfaces, but doesn't force anyone. you would run a window manager or a de for that. |
| 09:16.19 | Johnon | I have synaptic yet. thanks. But is not no easy to find what there is inside. I don't know if there is a better way to search inside synaptic.. but it's not so good as I do |
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| 09:18.00 | live_ | how hard do you guys think it would be to make a repository out of sourceforge so you can access everything on sourceforge from synaptic? |
| 09:18.06 | vak0160 | Johnon: synaptic is the same with apt-cache search, but with GUI, I don't think debian have alternative to ubuntu software center which simplify everything |
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| 09:18.25 | vak0160 | vak0160: on the bright side, no ads on synaptic ;p |
| 09:18.28 | some-cowbell | live_, you just invented debian |
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| 09:19.10 | some-cowbell | packaging can be easy, and for some things, it can be tough |
| 09:19.10 | cynicallemon | Johnon, why cant you find stuff in synaptic? |
| 09:19.46 | Johnon | it's not easy without download counters, votes, comments |
| 09:20.12 | live_ | some: close but not quite. There is still lots of stuff on sourceforge thats not on debian, unless you know about some secret repository that I dont know. |
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| 09:20.38 | live_ | Is there a "beefy" version of synaptic that shows download counts? |
| 09:20.59 | some-cowbell | there is somethign... what's the name of it... |
| 09:21.17 | cynicallemon | live_, yes software center lol |
| 09:21.20 | some-cowbell | popularity-contest |
| 09:21.59 | some-cowbell | when you install debian one of the questions it asks is whether you want to be a part of it |
| 09:22.17 | jelly | !popcon |
| 09:22.17 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
| 09:22.20 | cynicallemon | some-cowbell, does that gives stats that are easy to read, i thought it was more of a reporting tool for debian |
| 09:22.44 | some-cowbell | not sure, I never did look at the reporting |
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| 09:23.35 | Johnon | sounds interesting, let me search, thanks |
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| 09:24.14 | some-cowbell | one thing popularity-contest results were used for, is to decide where packages go on the CDs |
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| 09:24.32 | cynicallemon | Johnon, what packages are you looking for, maybe we can suggest some |
| 09:24.49 | live_ | What do you guys think of an "anything goes" repository where anyone can add scripts or programs they have made. |
| 09:24.57 | vak0160 | live_: disaster |
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| 09:25.11 | cynicallemon | live_, recipe for malware |
| 09:25.32 | vak0160 | live_: try debian experimental, and you'll see |
| 09:25.41 | cynicallemon | live_, think like google-play and various app stores |
| 09:25.54 | cynicallemon | lol vak0160 |
| 09:25.56 | SynrG | vak0160: experimental is not 'anything goes' |
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| 09:26.05 | SynrG | not as live_ describes it |
| 09:26.11 | live_ | Does experimental have a whole lot of stuff that never makes it to stable/ |
| 09:26.16 | some-cowbell | there's linux-from-scratch |
| 09:26.27 | some-cowbell | "never |
| 09:26.32 | some-cowbell | is a strong word |
| 09:26.33 | Johnon | cynicallemon, it's not something for now, thanks. But when I need something to use I must check on ubuntu software center and then return back to synaptic to see if there is :) that's why I have asked |
| 09:27.07 | Seb | Johnon: doesn't "apt-cache search" help ? |
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| 09:27.41 | cynicallemon | Johnon, check google for pages that help windows users see whats the popular Linux equivalents |
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| 09:28.07 | live_ | how many packages are in experimental, how many in stable? If I have a stable distro I heard it wont let me install experimental, is that true/ |
| 09:28.41 | some-cowbell | there's usually thousands in stable, and not so many in experimental |
| 09:28.52 | Johnon | Seb, never used that command, usually i just use Synaptic on wheezy. I come from Xubuntu so I have some problem but after all is normal, I am a Debian newby |
| 09:29.26 | some-cowbell | Johnon, so, give it a try... howbout apt-cache search sound |
| 09:29.50 | Johnon | yes sure |
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| 09:30.24 | Johnon | thanks guys |
| 09:30.59 | shingouz | live_: the name "experimental" should tell you pretty much everything needed. do not even think about using packeges from that one, your computer will most likely develop legs and run away. even unstable has a habit of biting the hand that feeds it, not recommended for general use and absolutely not for newbs |
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| 09:31.39 | vak0160 | live_: use backports for saver packages |
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| 09:31.43 | DHowett | taken altogether, however, it seems that "unstable" is far more stable than some distributions' concept of "stable" |
| 09:32.12 | some-cowbell | experimental is where developers put things that do not work yet... among other things. and, experimental packagings too: maybe installing doesn't work right yet, maybe removal doesn't. |
| 09:32.51 | nkuttler | maybe the boot brocess breaks.. |
| 09:32.56 | nkuttler | process even |
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| 09:33.31 | some-cowbell | oh yeah, my boot process is broke... it boots a different hd than I want it to |
| 09:33.33 | live_ | thx shin |
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| 09:34.01 | some-cowbell | can I tell it to boot the grub on a different drive? |
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| 09:34.48 | some-cowbell | the drive it succeeds in booting has legacy grub on it |
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| 09:35.11 | some-cowbell | the only good thing about that is I understand it well enough to boot other stuff |
| 09:35.21 | nkuttler | some-cowbell: running grub-install from the correct install should fix this |
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| 09:36.40 | some-cowbell | I think I don't want a canned solution so much as something I know what it does, and more, that I control |
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| 09:38.02 | some-cowbell | right now I just want to get the booting drive to boot the grub on the other drive, which is already set up but doesn't boot yet |
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| 09:41.36 | DHowett | some-cowbell: it depends on a couple things. Legacy BIOS or EFI? If BIOS you might be able to chainload the second drive's either MBR or bootable partition's header |
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| 09:41.41 | DHowett | er PBR |
| 09:41.51 | DHowett | some-cowbell: if EFI, well, gods only know :P |
| 09:42.56 | some-cowbell | the second drive is a two-terabyte that has not been converted to the new partition table, so it's still mbr |
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| 09:45.25 | some-cowbell | meanwhile I did find the initrd image that installing linux-firmware-nonfree altered |
| 09:46.17 | some-cowbell | it was the only file in /boot with today's date |
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| 09:49.56 | some-cowbell | how can I find out where grub2 decided to install itself? |
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| 09:53.08 | OpenTokix | petern_: +1 |
| 09:54.05 | petern_ | I'm not sure how to progress :( |
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| 09:54.41 | OpenTokix | petern_: What is it you wanna do? Most stuff can be done from virsh commandline |
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| 09:55.22 | petern_ | Trying to set up a new guest. |
| 09:56.00 | petern_ | But it locks up the moment it asks for the name of the guest. |
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| 09:56.13 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 09:56.36 | petern_ | I'm wondering if trying to use TLS instead of SSH would help. It's over a VPN anyway. |
| 09:56.51 | OpenTokix | Sounds like a plan |
| 09:58.16 | Nik05 | s/SSH/SSL/ |
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| 09:58.51 | meek_geek | anyone using hurd version of Debian ? |
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| 09:59.02 | petern_ | Nik05, no, SSH. |
| 09:59.22 | Nik05 | oh |
| 10:00.32 | Nik05 | whats the problem with SSH petern_ ? |
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| 10:01.02 | petern_ | Nothing with SSH itself, but virt-manager is locking up when using it. |
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| 10:04.43 | mjt | petern_: but virt-manager does not use ssh. how can it lock when doing what it doesn't do? |
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| 10:05.48 | petern_ | virt-manager most definitely does use ssh. |
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| 10:07.49 | mjt | petern_: you're right, I stand corrected. I didn't know. |
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| 10:53.16 | some-cowbell | say I want to grab stuff from the backports compiled for wheezy that come from jessie... could someone name the dpkg factoid for that? |
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| 10:54.39 | Brigo | !tell some-cowbell about backport |
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| 10:55.01 | SynrG | !tell some-cowbell about ssb |
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| 10:55.52 | SynrG | some-cowbell: the ssb factoid assumes backporting from sid. from jessie is the same process, just s/sid/jessie/ |
| 10:56.24 | SynrG | some-cowbell: which package, btw? |
| 10:56.35 | SynrG | oh |
| 10:56.37 | some-cowbell | thanks... I was told the thing I want (the radeon fglrx driver) is definitely in backports, and he suggested I want the stuff from jessie compiled for wheezy |
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| 10:56.44 | SynrG | you didn't want to compile it. you just wanted to install it |
| 10:56.56 | Sander_G | Do anyone know why I get: df: cannot read table of mounted file systems. And when I touch /asd I get no space left on device.. after I do: grep -v rootfs /proc/mounts > /etc/mtab .. then it says / have 72% space used. |
| 10:57.00 | SynrG | skimming fail. :) |
| 10:57.02 | some-cowbell | yes :) |
| 10:57.07 | some-cowbell | no worries |
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| 10:57.37 | SynrG | !tell some-cowbell about wheezy-backports |
| 10:57.46 | SynrG | but i knew 'backports' was the wrong one. it's too general. |
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| 10:59.40 | some-cowbell | I've done the ssb thing before, it worked maybe 70% of the time... this time, I think I need what's packaged already for a coupla reasons... first it's fglrx which I thought was no open source, and second, I guess it works with the packages that were built already |
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| 11:00.48 | some-cowbell | maybe some of that is it works with specific kernels, and I have 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 11:03.59 | SynrG | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 11:03.59 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.4.2-1; sid/non-free: 1:14.4.2-1; experimental/non-free: 1:14.6~betav1.0-1 |
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| 11:04.29 | SynrG | some-cowbell: well, if you need to, you could use a kernel backport too |
| 11:04.30 | SynrG | ,kernels |
| 11:04.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.15-trunk-686-pae (3.15.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.7-1); jessie: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.7-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 11:05.11 | some-cowbell | baba! |
| 11:05.44 | some-cowbell | SynrG, which kernel should I use? or should I stick with the one I have? |
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| 11:25.31 | some-cowbell | how can I find out where grub2 or grub-pc has decided to grace my HD? |
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| 11:40.01 | petn-randall | some-cowbell: Part of it is in the MBR, part of it in /boot/. What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 11:44.15 | some-cowbell | petn-randall, I have been booting by typin stuff into grub1... unsatisfying, time consuming, but it works... I have another drive that I believe has a grub2 setup on it, and the least intrusive solution I can think of is to have the first drive (with the legacy grub) chain boot to the second drive. |
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| 11:44.49 | some-cowbell | to the grub on the second drive that is |
| 11:45.16 | petn-randall | some-cowbell: That is possible, yes. Is there a reason you're still keeping grub-legacy around? It's quite old, and has its rough edges. |
| 11:45.18 | some-cowbell | that's why I wanted to know where it's been placed |
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| 11:45.54 | some-cowbell | petn-randall: just that it's least intrusive |
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| 11:47.36 | pbunny | do i need to enable "Laptop Hybrid Graphics - GPU switching support" in kernel config for nvidia optimus? |
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| 11:47.44 | pbunny | or is totally different technology |
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| 12:01.29 | andyjpb | hey |
| 12:01.54 | andyjpb | I'm trying to set a base set of packages with dpkg --clear-selections; dpkg --set-selection; apt-get deselect-upgrade |
| 12:02.14 | andyjpb | once I've done that I ahve |
| 12:02.15 | andyjpb | # dpkg --get-selections |grep bash |
| 12:02.15 | andyjpb | bash install |
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| 12:02.27 | andyjpb | but apt-get dselect-upgrade says bash is going to be removed |
| 12:02.37 | andyjpb | any clues about what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 12:03.29 | nabblet | hi, i try to set up IPsec, so far with racoon, since i found most how-to's and tutorials to use it. now i was sugested to use openswan (also i noticed that some of the how-tos are quite old) |
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| 12:05.06 | some-cowbell | maybe the software is also old... are you having any specific problems getting it to do what you want? |
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| 12:13.37 | SirLagz | *** Error in `apt-get': free(): invalid size: 0x00007fff82b90c90 *** <-- that can't be a good sign |
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| 12:25.35 | abrotman | SirLagz: are you mixing versions of Debian? |
| 12:26.20 | SirLagz | abrotman: maaaybe...I'm not sure on this box |
| 12:26.33 | SirLagz | abrotman: nope, i'm not |
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| 12:26.42 | abrotman | are you fully up to date? |
| 12:26.48 | SirLagz | abrotman: nope, i got that error when trying to update haha |
| 12:26.55 | abrotman | try aptitude perhaps |
| 12:27.04 | SirLagz | abrotman: I'm thinking it may be dodgy hardware though...it's crashed 3 times in 30 minutes lol |
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| 12:27.44 | abrotman | oh, is that all? |
| 12:27.59 | SirLagz | maybe. I really hope not |
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| 12:28.23 | SirLagz | but this machine has been flaky since I tried to hack up my own Molex -> PCI-E power adapter... |
| 12:28.37 | SirLagz | but I've replaced the PSU in this machine so it has a proper PCI-E power plug now |
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| 12:29.21 | SirLagz | might have to run a memtest and see if the memory is flakey |
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| 12:29.53 | jbrelin | I am having the most absolutely confusing and frustrating wifi problem. Does anybody know where I can go to discuss it? |
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| 12:30.44 | some-cowbell | I dunno... here? ##networking? |
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| 12:30.56 | babilen | jbrelin: Do you use Debian? |
| 12:31.03 | jbrelin | It's not really Debian related, but this is a Debian system. |
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| 12:31.24 | jbrelin | Both my laptops are and both have this problem... but it's really a network problem. |
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| 12:31.52 | jbrelin | It appears as though my neighbors router is intercepting my connections. |
| 12:32.11 | SirLagz | jbrelin: intercepting ? how ? |
| 12:32.14 | some-cowbell | jbrelin, see if (as root) iwlist scan produces a list of nearby nets |
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| 12:32.21 | jbrelin | Answering as my network (no matter what I name it) and accepting login credentials and putting me on its network. |
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| 12:32.55 | Blashyrkh | i have a few mails in the postfix postqueue that are addressed to an not existing email address, is it possible to "redirect" them to another email address? |
| 12:33.30 | jbrelin | So, let's say my network is called fooblitzky. I will connect to network "fooblitzky" and it will ask for a password and then give me a 172.16.0 address (while mine is configured for 192.168.1)... and when I try to go to 192.168.1, it gives me a login for a Linksys E2500 (which I do not have). |
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| 12:33.57 | OpenTokix | jbrelin: your loginpanel is sending your broken routes |
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| 12:34.03 | jbrelin | That last address should read 192.168.1.1. |
| 12:34.04 | SirLagz | jbrelin: well, that sounds dodgy |
| 12:34.20 | OpenTokix | jbrelin: to send all traffic to 172.16.loginpanel |
| 12:34.29 | OpenTokix | jbrelin: common trick for captive portals |
| 12:35.09 | jbrelin | Can you elaborate, OpenTokix? When I try to go to 192.168.1.1, it goes to some Linksys router and not mine. What's up with that? I'm on their network and not mine, clearly. |
| 12:35.30 | petern_ | Do they have a Linksys router? |
| 12:35.34 | OpenTokix | jbrelin: What network are you on now? |
| 12:35.40 | Geraldus | Debian is tricky :) |
| 12:35.40 | jbrelin | For instance, my media server is hardwired on 192.168.1.42 and I can't reach it. So 192.168.1 is routing, but not to my network. |
| 12:35.49 | OpenTokix | jbrelin: you can check "ip route show" |
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| 12:35.57 | OpenTokix | jbrelin: to see how your routing table looks like |
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| 12:36.14 | jbrelin | I usually do route -n, but OK. |
| 12:36.40 | OpenTokix | jbrelin: you can use whatever tool you like to print the routing table, my command of choice is ip route show |
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| 12:37.26 | jbrelin | There are two routes beside the default: 169.254/16 and 172.16.0/24. No 192.168 route at all, so I'm not sure how I'm getting to this linksys thing except through the default route... so that makes me think it's their router that hijacked me. |
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| 12:38.44 | OpenTokix | jbrelin: what does the default route say? |
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| 12:39.33 | jbrelin | OpenTokix: default via 172.16.0.1 dev wlan0 proto static |
| 12:39.39 | jbrelin | Just what I'd expect. |
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| 12:39.44 | OpenTokix | And that is your router? |
| 12:39.56 | jbrelin | Since my address is 172.16.0.2 (via DHCP from this connection). |
| 12:40.03 | jbrelin | My router is 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:40.22 | Geraldus | Is it correct that /etc/login.defs work only for Debian 7? Reffering to http://stackoverflow.com/a/14280860/1749901 |
| 12:40.24 | jbrelin | And it gives addresses in 192.168.1.128-253 . |
| 12:40.34 | Geraldus | I’m sorry, for DEbian 6 |
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| 12:41.43 | jbrelin | If I were on my own network, I would expect to have a 192.168.1 address and 192.168.1.1 would answer as my default route and 192.168.1.42 would be reachable as my media server. |
| 12:42.05 | jbrelin | In this connection, 192.168.1.1 answers as a Linksys E2500 and must be using the default route. 192.168.1.42 is unreachable. |
| 12:43.10 | Geraldus | I’ve added one path to ENV_SUPATH and another to ENV_PATH, but even after reboot I have default path. Is it preffered to edit `/etc/environment`? |
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| 12:43.30 | some-cowbell | login.defs is for getty/login |
| 12:44.34 | Geraldus | some-cowbell: can you please explain? |
| 12:45.01 | Geraldus | oh sometimes my English is terrible ) |
| 12:45.30 | some-cowbell | I'm trying to remember the details... but in the original situation, there were serial ports connected to the multiuser unix machine, and each serial port had a getty, which basically prints a greeting message then a login prompt |
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| 12:47.26 | Geraldus | some-cowbell: thanks, thus it’s useless in my case. |
| 12:47.38 | some-cowbell | once the user enters a login name, login is spawned, prints a password prompt, accepts the password and if correct spawns a shell |
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| 12:51.47 | some-cowbell | Geraldus: getty is also used for the same purpose only without the serial link, to the virtual consoles |
| 12:55.14 | jbrelin | So nobody has anything else to try, eh? |
| 12:55.35 | some-cowbell | and if you read man login, you'll note in the files section that it reads /etc/login.defs |
| 12:56.08 | Geraldus | I have VPS with Debian 7, now I’m going to add `PATH=my-custom-paths:$PATH` to /etc/environment, am I right about absence of double quotes after equal sign? |
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| 12:56.37 | some-cowbell | you can put them in |
| 12:56.55 | Geraldus | okay, I’ll study man login |
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| 12:57.43 | some-cowbell | well if it's not germain, you probably don't need to do that... I'm just pointing out that login is what reads the file you first mentioned |
| 12:58.32 | some-cowbell | I thought it was getty that reads it, but no, it just spawns login at some point |
| 12:58.50 | nabblet | hi would you recommend using ipsec-tools & raccon or openswan for an new ipsec setup? (my testsetup: asterisk server (debian) in lan with 1 debian client and one win client) |
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| 12:59.37 | mjt | isn't ipsec-tools deprecated? |
| 13:00.45 | nabblet | mjt: don't know. it's still in the repos |
| 13:00.54 | SirLagz | jbrelin: nope. I'd start using Ethernet if I were you |
| 13:01.01 | some-cowbell | jbrelin, I wonder if you can somehow deny that router that's trying to pull connections |
| 13:01.33 | mjt | nabblet: it is, but considered to be removed, iirc. |
| 13:02.37 | nabblet | mjt: so openswan then? |
| 13:02.52 | Geraldus | some-cowbell: anyway, it will be interesting to learn something new ) |
| 13:02.55 | nabblet | mjt: as i understood racoon is part of ipsec-tools |
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| 13:03.53 | Brigo | ,v mate |
| 13:03.54 | judd | No package named 'mate' was found in i386. |
| 13:04.21 | babilen | judd: v mate-desktop |
| 13:04.23 | judd | Package: mate-desktop on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1; sid: 1.8.1+dfsg1-1 |
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| 13:04.48 | nabblet | mjt: all information i find is outdated too...most howtows, mails to mailing lists... so many things are older than 5 years... |
| 13:05.11 | nabblet | ok sounds stupid :P but i have a hard time to find out what to use and weight my options |
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| 13:05.46 | mjt | there are 2 packages in debian - openswan and strongswan. |
| 13:06.00 | mjt | i use strongswan on a road-warrior server |
| 13:06.08 | jbrelin | Yeah, I was thinking of something like that, some-cowbell. |
| 13:06.11 | jbrelin | Like, block the MAC. |
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| 13:06.34 | mjt | nabblet: but openswan reportedly is more useful for opportunistic encryption |
| 13:07.06 | some-cowbell | the other thing I would suggest (this may be painful) is go to a wired net |
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| 13:08.12 | nabblet | mjt: what i am wondering is, if any of the *swan is actually what i need. I want to authenticate and encrypt asterisk's traffic, i don't think I need vpn for that so i think *swan is more than I need. I might be wrong though... |
| 13:08.26 | jbrelin | some-cowbell, wired is not a long-term solution... Honestly, I'd rather just buy my upstairs neighbor a new router. I think it's their garbage machine. |
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| 13:11.35 | some-cowbell | what's debian 7.1? |
| 13:11.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell some-cowbell about 7.1 |
| 13:12.11 | benjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.49 | some-cowbell | so the point releases are 7.1, 7.2, ..., 7.5? |
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| 13:14.01 | some-cowbell | babilen: btw if you're at a stopping point on your other project, I have some questions I'd like to bounce off you |
| 13:14.12 | some-cowbell | related to grub |
| 13:14.13 | andyjpb | jbrelin: traceroute to find 192.68.1.1? |
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| 13:16.59 | babilen | some-cowbell: Just ask, but I'm busy |
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| 13:20.37 | dob1 | hi, using keys to login via ssh how can i manage multiple pub keys on server? for multiple keys on client i see i can use .ssh/config but for pub keys? |
| 13:20.57 | formorer | just add them to authorized_keys |
| 13:21.00 | formorer | one key per line |
| 13:21.16 | dob1 | add like append ? |
| 13:21.22 | formorer | yes. |
| 13:21.25 | nabblet | !racoon |
| 13:21.26 | dpkg | racoon is a key-exchange management daemon developed by the KAME project, used for automatically keying <IPsec> connections. The IPsec-Tools port of KAME's IPsec utilities is packaged for Debian. http://ipsec-tools.sf.net/ |
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| 13:22.49 | dob1 | formorer, thanks |
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| 13:27.09 | benjr | first time user, fresh install, wanting to setup zfs, have run into the follow error which i dont understand and the log file it tells me to goto for more info does not exist http://paste.debian.net/106519/ |
| 13:27.12 | nabblet | hi, could it be that the dpkg-reconfigure openswan text is wrong? it states that key based auth is easier to administer and more secure than cert-based in big networks. |
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| 13:27.35 | nabblet | as i understand, certs are considered more secure and easier to administer |
| 13:28.46 | Geraldus | !dpkg |
| 13:28.46 | dpkg | well, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 13:28.53 | Geraldus | oh cool ) |
| 13:29.02 | dob1 | formorer, but when i use ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub $remote_user@$remote_host it add the key to authorized keys or it overwrite the content of the file? |
| 13:29.19 | formorer | it does the right thing (adds it) |
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| 13:40.48 | nabblet | hi, what tools do you recommend for ipsec deployment? |
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| 13:45.59 | lotherk | do I have to recompile openssl on debian jessie to get aes-ni support? |
| 13:46.46 | some-cowbell | look at the source package and see (probably in debian/rules) |
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| 13:47.03 | lotherk | thanks |
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| 13:47.55 | some-cowbell | you should be able to tell from that based on the call to ./configure |
| 13:48.30 | some-cowbell | which is probably in debian/rules but could be elsewhere (or nonexistant) |
| 13:48.52 | lotherk | yes, I guess it's CONFARGS in debian/rules |
| 13:49.02 | jelly | lotherk: compare eg. "openssl speed aes-128-cbc" vs "openssl speed -evp aes-128-cbc" |
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| 13:49.26 | jelly | lotherk: it ought to use aesni when -evp is explicitely given |
| 13:49.29 | nabblet | mjt: where can i see if reacoon is obsolete= |
| 13:49.30 | nabblet | ? |
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| 13:50.06 | lotherk | jelly, oha, looks like you're right |
| 13:50.07 | some-cowbell | jelly, so you're saying it definitely is built with that support for jessie? |
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| 13:50.46 | jelly | some-cowbell: yes. I think it's in wheezy as well, but I don't have a handy machine with aesni cpu and wheezy to confirm |
| 13:50.54 | lotherk | so does it say, I don't have to take care of anything (e.g. openvpn) and it'll use it automatically? |
| 13:51.18 | jelly | no idea there |
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| 13:52.16 | Geraldus | I have user running dash, I don’t know why but he have no permissions for even `ls` or `mkdir`. Yet another issue with user groups? |
| 13:53.13 | some-cowbell | Geraldus: ls -l $(which mkdir) |
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| 13:53.35 | jelly | Geraldus: which Debian release is this? What happens when they do /bin/ls --version ? |
| 13:53.47 | jelly | !ask |
| 13:53.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:53.57 | Geraldus | some-cowbell: this does not works beacause ls also fails with permission denied message |
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| 13:54.49 | some-cowbell | something's really weird there |
| 13:55.05 | some-cowbell | what if the user does not run dash? |
| 13:55.41 | Geraldus | jelly: I have wheezy DEbian 7, ls —version prints me version |
| 13:55.54 | Geraldus | and other about stuff |
| 13:55.55 | jelly | Geraldus: so /bin/ls works. |
| 13:56.10 | Geraldus | jelly: yes |
| 13:56.21 | jelly | Geraldus: what does echo $PATH say? paste the exact output please. |
| 13:56.23 | some-cowbell | wonder if it's permission on / or /tmp |
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| 13:56.58 | Geraldus | some-cowbell: I’ve just switched him to via `usermod -s /bin/sh $username` |
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| 13:57.54 | Geraldus | some-cowbell: I tried to make dir in my home directory, it is not work. Previously that user run bash, everything worked. |
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| 13:58.10 | some-cowbell | Geraldus: ok, so then you'd have to have that user log out then back in |
| 13:59.11 | some-cowbell | usermod changes stuff in /etc/passwd and friends, it doesn't change anything about already logged in users or things that are running already |
| 13:59.41 | some-cowbell | that's why you have to logout/login to have the new settings take effect |
| 14:00.10 | Geraldus | some-cowbell: I’ve just tried to logout and login back. Nothing changed ( |
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| 14:00.45 | some-cowbell | so they have a shell but can't use things in PATH? |
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| 14:01.21 | some-cowbell | or maybe can't execute anything? |
| 14:02.21 | some-cowbell | wait, you altered /etc/login.defs? |
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| 14:03.24 | Geraldus | some-cowbell: Yes |
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| 14:03.45 | jargon | whatwas python-psyco replaced with? seems the pkg has been removed? |
| 14:04.36 | some-cowbell | Geraldus: what version of debian do you have? |
| 14:05.07 | Geraldus | some-cowbell: 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.54-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:05.32 | Geraldus | Oh, this is not what you asked |
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| 14:05.40 | some-cowbell | I think I have that kernel too... that looks like it could be wheezy's default |
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| 14:06.17 | some-cowbell | judd v login |
| 14:06.18 | judd | Package: login on i386 -- squeeze: 1:4.1.4.2+svn3283-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1:4.1.4.2+svn3283-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 1:4.1.5.1-1; jessie: 1:4.2-2; sid: 1:4.2-2 |
| 14:06.51 | some-cowbell | now I just need to confirm that the login package comes with a login.defs |
| 14:06.56 | Geraldus | I have debian 7.4 |
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| 14:08.30 | nabblet | whic ipsec implementation is recommended? ipsec-tools, openswan or strongswan? |
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| 14:10.52 | some-cowbell | ok, confirmed... login IS the package with login.defs |
| 14:12.40 | jhutchins | nabblet: Whichever one you prefer. |
| 14:12.53 | sebastianlutter | I need to benchmark a webservice. It should execute a pre-defined list of urls with get params (one each line in my file) and return the query time as csv. Any recommendations? JMeter is much to complex for what I need |
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| 14:14.31 | some-cowbell | so the urls in the file are in the website? |
| 14:15.34 | jelly | execute URLs? |
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| 14:15.48 | some-cowbell | probably wget them |
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| 14:16.09 | some-cowbell | maybe wget has a parameter that says "print the elapsed time" |
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| 14:16.31 | jelly | sebastianlutter: in parallel? Serially? How many times? Using ab and a for loop good enough? |
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| 14:16.48 | skilz | I installed the Wheezy backports and 3.14 kernel from there and nvidia-driver |
| 14:16.57 | skilz | Then rebooted and now 'No screns found'. |
| 14:17.02 | mozzz | hello guys have been tring to use the debian releas of xbmc on raspberry pi but after it runs an update of itself i lose the wifi ability of the device |
| 14:17.12 | skilz | When I try to startx, something went wrong. |
| 14:17.34 | jhutchins | mozzz: raspian? |
| 14:17.36 | jelly | mozzz: you probably don't want to run actual debian on a r.pi, raspbian has optimized binaries |
| 14:17.56 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 14:17.57 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 14:17.58 | some-cowbell | skilz, maybe you need to alter the X config file |
| 14:18.06 | skilz | I have none |
| 14:18.13 | mozzz | yeah raspbian is ace but not xbmc |
| 14:18.16 | skilz | Well. It contains nothing |
| 14:18.24 | skilz | some-cowbell: Also the console font has changed |
| 14:18.34 | skilz | Like when my system boots its all big now |
| 14:18.40 | sebastianlutter | jelly, in parallel, about 1000 queries. I could do this with curl and xargs, but I hope there is already a "shoot out this list of urls and store the query time" app / skript /whatever. |
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| 14:19.05 | jelly | sebastianlutter: ab does one URL at a time |
| 14:19.06 | mozzz | and raspian is debian dpkg |
| 14:19.12 | sebastianlutter | the queries are in a file (full url with get parameters) |
| 14:19.20 | some-cowbell | when I boot, the console font starts out big but switches to small sometime during boot |
| 14:19.42 | skilz | Doesn't switch at all anymore |
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| 14:19.45 | sebastianlutter | jelly, what is ab? googeling it is useless |
| 14:19.50 | jelly | judd: file bin/ab |
| 14:19.54 | judd | Search for bin/ab in wheezy/i386: apache2-utils: usr/bin/ab; apache2-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/ab |
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| 14:20.27 | jelly | sebastianlutter: ab, "apache benchmark" |
| 14:20.30 | sebastianlutter | judd, i tried emerge on my gentoo and was not able to find it |
| 14:20.31 | judd | No package named 'tried' was found in wheezy/i386. |
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| 14:20.48 | jelly | sebastianlutter: judd's a bot, and they just told you which package it's in |
| 14:20.59 | jelly | sebastianlutter: install apache2-utils |
| 14:21.10 | skilz | Should I reinstall debian? |
| 14:21.14 | skilz | I think so |
| 14:21.17 | sebastianlutter | jelly, I see :) |
| 14:21.28 | some-cowbell | that's probably an extreme action |
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| 14:22.00 | centrx | skilz, Just switch back to your old kernel... |
| 14:22.05 | skilz | ok |
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| 14:22.56 | some-cowbell | there was a kernel switch? |
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| 14:24.51 | malmelmil | Hello, In a multiboot system (debian wheezy, kali, xubuntu) I'd like to change the order and names of each system, plus default boot. I know how to do this last thing, but not changing names and order, or even showing or hiding elements. Is there an easy way to do this? thank you |
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| 14:24.59 | malmelmil | (or can be done at all?) |
| 14:25.20 | some-cowbell | how do you mean "name"? |
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| 14:25.34 | malmelmil | hello ! I mean, what is shown in the list when grub loads |
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| 14:25.47 | malmelmil | xubuntu is shown as "ubuntu" for example |
| 14:25.49 | some-cowbell | oh, you can easily edit that |
| 14:25.53 | Pual | what is goal of debian? |
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| 14:26.14 | some-cowbell | to marry apples and oranges! |
| 14:26.15 | centrx | Pual, https://www.debian.org/social_contract |
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| 14:26.22 | malmelmil | :D |
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| 14:26.52 | Pual | centrx, Why debian goal isnt beat windows and macosx? |
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| 14:27.11 | centrx | Pual, It has already accomplished that goal? |
| 14:28.13 | jhutchins | !br |
| 14:28.13 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:29.07 | Pual | Pual, why debian don't have proprietary equivalent? |
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| 14:29.28 | jhutchins | malmelmil: The names of the boot options are determined by the kernels that os-prober finds when you run update-grub. |
| 14:29.41 | jhutchins | malmelmil: xubuntu is just ubuntu with xfce installed. |
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| 14:31.59 | malmelmil | thanks jhutchins, I found a tutorial that seems helpful |
| 14:32.03 | malmelmil | http://dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html |
| 14:32.28 | Pual | centrx, accomplished? I don't understand why debian for exemple don't have a image editor which works with 16 and 32 bits channel |
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| 14:33.23 | jelly | Pual: because noone packaged it |
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| 14:34.13 | Pual | jelly, well... does debian have image editor which works with 16 and 32 bits colour channel? |
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| 14:34.45 | centrx | Pual, "krita" is apparently one and is in Debian |
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| 14:34.57 | jelly | Pual: I have no idea! Is there any open-source tool matching the description? |
| 14:35.04 | some-cowbell | malmelmil: you should look at the file /boot/grub/grub.conf which, if you edit directly, the grub menu will show the names you want UNTIL the thing that writes grub.conf runs again, overwriting the whole file... then, you can go in again and edit the names |
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| 14:35.14 | some-cowbell | it's not ideal |
| 14:35.24 | Pual | centrx, krita only works with 16 bits colour channel |
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| 14:35.48 | TheWarden | HI |
| 14:35.50 | Pual | centrx, do you can help me put sisimedia viveo driver in debian backports? |
| 14:35.57 | Pual | TheWarden, hi dude |
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| 14:36.00 | Pual | cowabunga! |
| 14:36.22 | TheWarden | For some reason I don't have ldbsearch. Does anyone know what package I can install to get this utility? is it by chance "ldb-tools"? |
| 14:36.30 | some-cowbell | notices all cows have shuddered |
| 14:37.08 | jelly | TheWarden: /msg judd file bin/ldbsearch |
| 14:37.57 | jhutchins | TheWarden: See also apt-file |
| 14:38.09 | jelly | !tell TheWarden about search |
| 14:38.25 | some-cowbell | yeah, it's the same as the bot except you run it on your machine |
| 14:39.57 | malmelmil | thankssome-cowbell |
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| 14:41.21 | some-cowbell | malmelmil: again, it's not ideal since sometimes automatic processes will overwrite it like when grub is installed, or another kernel |
| 14:42.13 | malmelmil | I understand, at the moment I am looking for the memtest script |
| 14:42.20 | malmelmil | because I don't need that to show up |
| 14:42.31 | malmelmil | so i can chmod 20_memtest script |
| 14:42.33 | some-cowbell | there's a flag for that |
| 14:42.33 | malmelmil | to not run |
| 14:42.46 | malmelmil | in what file, again, sorry ? |
| 14:43.02 | some-cowbell | I'd have to remember and look for it :) |
| 14:43.17 | some-cowbell | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.19 | malmelmil | I find my setup is different from the one described by the tutorial I founmd |
| 14:43.21 | some-cowbell | maybe |
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| 14:43.33 | malmelmil | I got that file open, looking at it |
| 14:43.53 | TheWarden | Thanks jelly and jhutchins |
| 14:44.10 | malmelmil | but no option to remove memtests |
| 14:44.22 | malmelmil | the tutorial specifies chmoding the file 20_memtest script but i do not have that file |
| 14:44.28 | malmelmil | ...i think |
| 14:44.43 | malmelmil | etc/grub.d/ should be here |
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| 14:45.12 | malmelmil | I got 00_header 05_debian_theme 10_linux 20_linux_xen 30_os-prober 40_custom 41_custom README |
| 14:45.19 | malmelmil | but no 20_memtest script |
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| 14:45.40 | some-cowbell | what dir are those in? |
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| 14:46.08 | arven | Can debian be run with a separate /usr properly? I have installed a system with a local root, but nfs-mounted /usr and /home. The only thing that actually appears broken is the "colorized" startup scripts at the beginning, until tterm is available from the /usr. |
| 14:46.19 | malmelmil | etc/grub.d |
| 14:46.37 | some-cowbell | thanks, I wanted to look in there |
| 14:46.56 | some-cowbell | arven, you mean a separate partition mounted on /usr? sure |
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| 14:47.46 | arven | some-cowbell: yes. I've recently read that things like systemd and the like will completely break separate /usr, unless mounted while still in initial ramdisk state |
| 14:48.21 | arven | some-cowbell: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken/ |
| 14:49.01 | some-cowbell | hmm... that must mean my machine is broke too... |
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| 14:49.37 | some-cowbell | having said that, I haven't used nfs /usr or really nfs anything for a lot of years |
| 14:50.07 | jelly | or a separate /usr |
| 14:50.22 | some-cowbell | no, I have that now |
| 14:50.27 | jelly | why? |
| 14:50.46 | some-cowbell | so I can enlarge just that when I want to |
| 14:50.49 | arven | It has to be separate if you want a local root. I should have probably just created an entire NFS root. |
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| 14:51.15 | jelly | some-cowbell: how's that different from enlarging /? |
| 14:51.33 | some-cowbell | I like keeping / separate too |
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| 14:51.52 | jelly | some-cowbell: sure, but if they're both local, why? |
| 14:52.06 | arven | I'm interested in using update-initramfs to premount my NFS shares though. It'd be much more reliable if I run into issues. |
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| 14:52.19 | some-cowbell | there would be less chance of / filling up with stuff |
| 14:52.34 | some-cowbell | so /var is also separate |
| 14:52.49 | jelly | what kind of stuff? Separate /var makes sense since data goes there |
| 14:53.21 | jelly | Even separate /usr/src may make sense on a build or dev machine |
| 14:54.03 | jelly | but /usr on its own is just OS packaged and managed stuff |
| 14:54.04 | arven | Isn't separation mainly good for multiboot situations? |
| 14:54.40 | arven | well, /usr/local includes non-packaged stuff |
| 14:55.00 | jelly | it does, if you have any |
| 14:55.12 | jhutchins | arven: /usr/local can be discrete without /usr. |
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| 14:55.31 | some-cowbell | I've just observed over the years that if you don't keep these separate, that can interfere with things in /... and, that if I keep growth of / to zero, I enjoy very long uptimes :) |
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| 14:56.46 | arven | jhutchins: I don't typically have very much in there. The system in question is a test system with a small hard drive, and I figured a local root would help boost performance a bit. I'm mainly going to be dealing with testing modules. |
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| 14:57.25 | jelly | arven: a local /tmp might be useful, but I'd probably go with nfsroot if I were doing that |
| 14:57.37 | jhutchins | My policy is that given modern hardware, you need to seperate / and swap - that's all. |
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| 14:58.09 | arven | By the way, what is the actual difference between the /usr/local and /opt trees? Both seem to be out-of-package-manager installed stuff. |
| 14:58.09 | petn-randall | jhutchins: I keep /home separate, too, to make migrations a tad easier. |
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| 14:58.13 | jelly | also, I don't know where to find a HDD smaller than a typical 10-20GB desktop Debian installation |
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| 14:58.56 | arven | jelly: It's a spare 1.6G, that managed to fit a barebones console-only install |
| 14:59.05 | jelly | arven: /usr/local is out-of-package-mgt; /opt is for managed and unmanaged third-party vendor software |
| 14:59.12 | jelly | !fhs |
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| 14:59.12 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 14:59.20 | dimitry7 | Hey guys, reinstalling SSH would cause the RSA fingerprint to be renewed?? |
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| 14:59.40 | jelly | dimitry7: reinstalling openssh-server package? No. |
| 14:59.43 | arven | jelly: Ah, that makes sense. Some managed stuff like Trinity, even in the package manager, is still in /opt |
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| 15:00.08 | dimitry7 | jelly, and purging his files? |
| 15:00.27 | jelly | dimitry7: purging probably does wipe all the stuff, that's the point |
| 15:00.37 | D-Boy | Hello, rsync end up with this ==> rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1536) [generator=3.0.9] how to identify those errors, i have the rsync log file, how those errors shows in the log file ? |
| 15:00.47 | jelly | dimitry7: I have not checked nor do I remember whether that's really the case. |
| 15:00.48 | alexbodn | hello friends, |
| 15:00.48 | alexbodn | all my logs are empty. anywhere to look in? |
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| 15:00.58 | dimitry7 | jelly, okay... because I'm seeing the message: WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! |
| 15:01.11 | dob1 | hi, i still have some doubts about ssh and keys, i created the keys, ssh to the server and it works. Now i am using keychain to manage the passphrases and i put "keychain key1" and "source $HOME/.keychain/$HOSTNAME-sh" in my .bashrc, but now every time i open shell it asks me for the ssh passphrase. ok i have to enter it only one time for session but if i have multiple keys every time i have to enter all the passphrase of all the |
| 15:01.11 | dob1 | keys? |
| 15:01.19 | jelly | dimitry7: make sure you're connecting to the right host and IP address first. |
| 15:01.31 | dimitry7 | jelly, yes I am |
| 15:02.08 | jelly | dimitry7: if you have access to its console or are logged in already, you can try doing "ssh localhost" on that machine itself to check the host hey |
| 15:03.21 | dimitry7 | jelly, I am connecting from a remote server to this PC (mine), I need to transfer myself something via sftp. I did $ ssh localhost and it says: Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? no |
| 15:03.47 | arven | jelly: I think the local /tmp might just be the best idea, because kernel stuff can really throw a wrench into the filesystem. Depending on where it panics out. |
| 15:03.52 | dob1 | maybe can i setup keychain only when i connect to a server? or there is some way to setup a master password that store all the ssh passphrase ? (i understand this is more insecure) |
| 15:04.03 | dimitry7 | jelly, the thing is that I have transfered files before this way. |
| 15:04.41 | jelly | dimitry7: that's not the only thing it says. |
| 15:05.01 | jelly | dimitry7: it also tells you the host key fingerprint I believe |
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| 15:05.23 | dimitry7 | jelly, yes exactly, it says a different KEY than the one I see in the remote server.... |
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| 15:05.31 | arven | why would one be trying to connect to localhost via ssh? |
| 15:05.32 | jelly | dimitry7: ah, that's interesting! |
| 15:05.42 | dimitry7 | jelly, really? why? |
| 15:05.52 | jelly | dimitry7: is it the same key type? |
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| 15:06.53 | dimitry7 | jelly, here are both: http://pastebin.com/KYT31RH6 |
| 15:06.54 | jelly | dimitry7: ssh -v localhost will tell you debug1: Server host key: KEYTYPE xx:xx:xx... |
| 15:07.05 | arven | Aside from testing purposes, that is. I've used that trick to determine if it's just the ssh server not responding or if it's a security setting somewhere. |
| 15:07.26 | jelly | dimitry7: if key types match but keys don't, you're not connecting to the same sshd |
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| 15:08.15 | dimitry7 | jelly, those key types are the same? I see one is RSA and the other is ECDSA |
| 15:08.37 | dimitry7 | jelly, here is $ ssh -v localhost http://pastebin.com/m7a9aumc |
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| 15:09.54 | jelly | dimitry7: I don't know how to force the ssh client to try RSA key like the old remote client does |
| 15:10.38 | sebastianlutter | jelly, I wrote a script that uses ab in a concurrent way, but I struggle with ab itself. Is there an easy way to just output the time the query takes (overall) instead of parsing the output with grep and cut? |
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| 15:11.33 | jelly | dimitry7: perhaps ssh -o HostKeyAlgorithms=ssh-rsa-cert-v01@openssh.com,ssh-rsa-cert-v00@openssh.com,ssh-rsa localhost |
| 15:11.36 | dimitry7 | jelly, how can I know am I connecting to the same SSHD? |
| 15:11.46 | mick_ | hi, I got disconecting trouble on a debian wheezy, is wpa-supplicant mandatory when you use network manager ? |
| 15:11.55 | jelly | dimitry7: by matching the host key and type. |
| 15:12.11 | jelly | dimitry7: which is what we're trying to do right now |
| 15:12.13 | dimitry7 | jelly, Okay let me try |
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| 15:13.35 | jelly | sebastianlutter: sorry, don't remember much about it. I'm not doing web stuff these days |
| 15:13.38 | nabblet | hi, where can i find more information about /etc/ipsec-tools.conf ? |
| 15:14.17 | nabblet | hope for a man page like 'man racoon.conf' is but no :/... didn't find anything o ipsec-tools' website either. |
| 15:14.39 | mick_ | does anyone know if wpa-supplicant is mandatory when you use "network manager" or wicd ? |
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| 15:15.41 | jelly | sebastianlutter: which number are you interested in? |
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| 15:16.57 | jelly | sebastianlutter: ab -n 10 -dSq http://google.com/ | awk '/Time per request:/ {print $4}' |
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| 15:19.31 | jelly | sebastianlutter: awk is actually an interpreted language but is input line-based and can be used to replace and simplify a grep+cut line |
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| 15:20.08 | dimitry7 | jelly, see this: http://pastebin.com/hkwBbq9u |
| 15:20.14 | dimitry7 | jelly, my key matches :-) |
| 15:20.19 | dimitry7 | * keys |
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| 15:20.55 | jelly | dimitry7: great, so you're connecting to the same machine and have apparently changed host keys in some way or the other |
| 15:20.56 | dimitry7 | jelly, so I can be sure this is a safe connection?? and that I am connecting to the trusted SSHD?? |
| 15:21.27 | rtur | mick_: only if you use wpa, and since most network managers (also wicd) do it by default you will have to compile it oneself without wpa support |
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| 15:21.50 | jelly | dimitry7: you can edit /home/tonycolin/.ssh/known_hosts and delete or comment out line 1 (with the saved old key) that causes the warning |
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| 15:22.52 | jelly | dimitry7: running ssh then will prompt you to accept and save the current host key, as if you're connecting for the first time |
| 15:23.01 | dimitry7 | jelly, good!! :-). I have a doubt, why the remote host see it as different if it is the same? or why would keys have changed? |
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| 15:23.25 | jelly | dimitry7: finding out why the key changed is a different issue |
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| 15:24.32 | dimitry7 | jelly, the key in /home/tonycolin/.ssh/known_hosts in the remote host is there a way to find it in my local machine? |
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| 15:25.46 | dimitry7 | jelly, exists the posibility to be at risk because of that? |
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| 15:26.43 | jelly | dimitry7: if you have backups of /etc/ssh, maybe you can figure out when the key changed |
| 15:26.49 | duckx0r | I'm running Debian wheezy with KDE and for some reason the "Highlight Text Selection" plugin for Kate is not working. Does anyone know how to get it to work correctly? |
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| 15:28.07 | dimitry7 | jelly, no I don't.. |
| 15:28.28 | txomon|fon | hi, about using flash in chromium, the last time I was here I was told about the pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:28.40 | jelly | dimitry7: I s'pose you'll never know! |
| 15:28.51 | txomon|fon | but the icedtea plugin doesn't seem to work now neither |
| 15:29.00 | ctmjr | duckx0r: if you do not get an answer here you might ask in #kde |
| 15:29.02 | txomon|fon | any tip on how to enable java? |
| 15:29.19 | duckx0r | ctmjr, thanks for the tip\ |
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| 15:30.20 | andyjpb | ok... so the answer of why my dpkg --set-selections was trying to remove bash and base-utils in apt-get dselect-upgrade |
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| 15:30.40 | andyjpb | was that I had removed mawk fromthe list which both bash and base-files depend on |
| 15:31.16 | andyjpb | why did this happen? isn't it supposed to work out the deps? libtinfo5 was also removed from the list and is currently installed and apt-get deselect-upgrade doesn't attempt to remove it because bash requires it |
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| 15:32.16 | andyjpb | ok... |
| 15:32.20 | duckx0r | txomon|fon, It's not likely to work in the future either. |
| 15:32.23 | andyjpb | base-files depends on awk (0 (null)) |
| 15:32.30 | andyjpb | bash depends on base-files |
| 15:32.36 | andyjpb | but not direclty on mawk |
| 15:32.53 | andyjpb | mawk provides awk 1.3.3-17 |
| 15:32.59 | skilz | How do I install 64bit java? |
| 15:33.00 | andyjpb | is there something wrong with the dependency chain? |
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| 15:37.25 | sandman13 | I am getting this error at boot time: /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh: logsave not found |
| 15:37.37 | sandman13 | failed (code 127) |
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| 15:37.38 | txomon|fon | duckx0r, so you tell that all the chromiums that have been updated have Java broken? |
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| 15:39.10 | duckx0r | txomon|fon, see https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/qPiZkcLwFFk |
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| 15:40.58 | dimitry7 | jelly, yes It is because of reinstallation |
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| 15:41.49 | dimitry7 | jelly, firs purging ssh server and ssh-client, and then doing apt-get install... it says generating RSA hosy key, and generating EDSA key, etc. |
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| 15:42.58 | arietis | is it possible to totally get rid of glibc and keep OS functionality? |
| 15:43.07 | IonCannon218 | wat |
| 15:43.39 | arietis | it looks like glibc is used everywhere |
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| 15:43.58 | athene_noctua | arietis: If I'm not mistaken, glibc is the main c library for pretty much everything, so no . . probably not :) |
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| 15:44.10 | arietis | what if i want replace it with another C library |
| 15:44.12 | txomon|fon | duckx0r, does icedtea plugin come from oracle? |
| 15:44.40 | athene_noctua | arietis: you'd break a lot of stuff? |
| 15:44.51 | arietis | so what? :) |
| 15:45.25 | arietis | i doubt it's hard to rewrite few headers |
| 15:45.28 | txomon|fon | arietis, you can try ulibc |
| 15:45.45 | alexbodn | all my logs are empty. anywhere to look in? |
| 15:46.09 | txomon|fon | uops |
| 15:46.20 | txomon|fon | I didn't read the g part of glibc xD |
| 15:46.30 | petn-randall | arietis: Try it, and see :). Make sure to keep us up to date on the results. ;) |
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| 15:47.04 | duckx0r | txomon|fon, I haven't been able to get any java plugin to work in chrome 35+ |
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| 15:47.46 | duckx0r | txomon|fon, they've dropped support for all NPAPI plugins, which means much more than just java. |
| 15:48.08 | txomon|fon | duckx0r, but at least flash has been put in there |
| 15:48.24 | txomon|fon | (thought I don't agree it should be put in backports, but in security updates) |
| 15:48.25 | txomon|fon | anyway |
| 15:48.32 | txomon|fon | the java thing sucks |
| 15:48.57 | txomon|fon | I am going to open a ticket in webex to tell them about my issue |
| 15:49.10 | duckx0r | txomon|fon, it's in chrome because it's built with flash support out of the box. not so with chromium, however. |
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| 15:49.48 | duckx0r | txomon|fon, or just use firefox instead |
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| 15:50.47 | txomon|fon | duckx0r, but that says nothing about the java thing |
| 15:50.56 | txomon|fon | you are speaking about flash |
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| 15:52.16 | dimitry7 | jelly, thank you jelly for all your help!!! |
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| 15:54.58 | duckx0r | txomon|fon, I mean firefox for java. and you can install the flash plugin manually |
| 15:55.37 | Deesl | http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/geek-linux-windows-sigkill-523208.png |
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| 15:56.29 | txomon|fon | duckx0r, yeah, but I just wanted to know whether if the icedtea plugin was going/is being updated to use the new api |
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| 15:57.10 | sandman13 | is there a way to install base system via rescue disk |
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| 16:01.15 | Pual | I need help. Can you guys put sisimedia video driver in debian backports? |
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| 16:02.55 | LtL | Pual: you cannot backport a driver from upstream if it doesn't exist in upstream |
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| 16:04.03 | Pual | LtL, oh man.. I need that opensource driver. I don't know understand compile or modify source code... |
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| 16:09.02 | shay_shay | sandman13 yes |
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| 16:09.23 | txomon|fon | duckx0r, http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1791 |
| 16:09.28 | sandman13 | shay_shay: I think I messed my disks |
| 16:09.35 | sandman13 | or the file system |
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| 16:09.44 | Skaag | how difficult is it to backport network manager 0.9.8 to wheezy? |
| 16:09.55 | shay_shay | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 16:10.00 | sandman13 | it says fsck failed fsck.ext4 not found |
| 16:10.28 | mjt | gah. that's several discussions interleaved... very difficult to follow :) |
| 16:11.48 | shay_shay | sandman13 chroot into the systen and start snooping around. if you cant mount your entire directory structure (which is sort of a prereq for chroot) that would be a clue |
| 16:12.05 | athene_noctua | Pual: https://www.ehow.com/how_7329262_compile-linux-device-driver.html You can do it, and that article is a good place to start. |
| 16:13.19 | txomon|fon | I would redirect everyone that comes with the Java problem to that bug, to see if they warm it up |
| 16:13.55 | sandman13 | shay_shay: I have tried the normal way but it said: /etc/ini.d/checkroot.sh : logsave not found |
| 16:14.09 | sandman13 | and fsck didn't get executed |
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| 16:14.54 | Pual | athene_noctua, why is hard install driver on Gnu/Linux? |
| 16:15.47 | Pual | and do you guys use irc instead a modern chat? |
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| 16:16.08 | arven | what is "a modern chat"? |
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| 16:17.01 | athene_noctua | Pual: because IRC rulez. and it's really not that hard to install a driver, just do some research and maybe test it in a virtual machine before you do it on your real computer. |
| 16:17.31 | shay_shay | sandman13 the normal way? |
| 16:17.43 | sandman13 | shay_shay: booting from grub |
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| 16:18.06 | arven | does anyone know a good reference for the current etiquette of getting patches looked over? |
| 16:18.21 | shay_shay | yes well boot from a livecd and try to mount / |
| 16:19.09 | skilz | How do I install 64bit java? |
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| 16:19.18 | skilz | I wanna play minecraft |
| 16:19.27 | shay_shay | athene_noctua: yes nothing like IRC yet, so imo irc is still modern |
| 16:19.55 | arven | I've done some studying, poking, and prodding around with the Emu8k wavetable synth driver, and I think I have got a bug fix. |
| 16:20.56 | sandman13 | shay_shay: it is mounted |
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| 16:22.13 | shay_shay | can you fsck it? |
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| 16:23.08 | mjt | shay_shay: it is not a good idea to fsck a mounted filesystem... |
| 16:23.13 | sandman13 | no |
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| 16:23.20 | sandman13 | says its already mounted |
| 16:23.51 | skilz | Can I make it possible that I do not need to type 'sudo' to apt-get install? |
| 16:24.14 | shay_shay | mjt: even with -n ? but yea thats not what i meant |
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| 16:24.41 | ctmjr | skilz: sure type "su" |
| 16:24.46 | mjt | skilz: you can use a GUI frontend i think |
| 16:24.49 | Pual | athene_noctua, virtual machine dont emulate sis videocard. |
| 16:25.09 | skilz | How do I install 64bit java? |
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| 16:25.13 | sandman13 | shay_shay: it's on a VM |
| 16:25.28 | arven | is this a legacy SIS card? |
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| 16:26.00 | okee | I tried updating libreoffice through backports, and the update will not work. I am still stuck on Version 3.5.2, and it is buggy due to its age. |
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| 16:26.39 | jmcnaught | Pual: not all drivers are hard to install in Linux. Most hardware just works. When hardware doesn't work, it is because the manufacturer has not provided suitable drivers or specifications for kernel developers to write their own. In short, don't blame Linux, blam the hardware manufacturer for lack of Free Software support in their devices. |
| 16:26.48 | ctmjr | dpkg: tell skilz about insall java |
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| 16:27.09 | shay_shay | welp |
| 16:27.14 | arven | It appears the 3d acceleration is limited to the proprietary Windows driver. |
| 16:27.15 | ctmjr | dpkg: tell skilz about install java |
| 16:27.17 | skilz | derp |
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| 16:27.44 | infoget | Hi, I have two repositories which include same packages with same name but with different version, how can I choose package with newer version? |
| 16:28.11 | arven | jmcnaught: It's especially annoying when your "video card" is on the north bridge, however. |
| 16:28.12 | Pual | arven, well... sis made sis3d only for linux satux... |
| 16:28.55 | mjt | haven't heard the name "sis" for a very long time... |
| 16:28.58 | arven | perhaps there are some drivers available now |
| 16:29.17 | mjt | is sis still relevant? |
| 16:29.46 | arven | there are SIS chipsets for AM2 boards |
| 16:29.50 | mjt | i guess linux sis drivers bitrot a bit |
| 16:29.52 | mjt | ah |
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| 16:30.17 | arven | which will ensure they won't work with a modern X11 or modern kernel, most likely |
| 16:31.34 | dutchfish | infoget, man aptitude (look under download how to choose a version or repository) |
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| 16:32.45 | sandman13 | that was easy |
| 16:33.13 | sandman13 | shay_shay: installed base system problem solved |
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| 16:35.35 | jmcnaught | Pual: not sure how old this is (no dates on page that I can see) but there is a petition for SiS to make suitable Linux drivers here: http://www.petitiononline.com/sislinux/petition.html |
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| 16:39.28 | shay_shay | sandman13: so donyou think on accident you deleted some important stuff? |
| 16:40.21 | yann2 | mhh just to be sure: the files {pre,post}{inst,rm} are completely facultative? I don't need to put any of those in my package? |
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| 16:48.54 | sandman13 | shay_shay: I was removing few things warning was given to me but I ignored it and that happened |
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| 16:53.25 | Geraldus | Looks like I have an issue in configuration somewhere, i have this message after logging as root. Please have a look http://dpaste.com/3G2EXK7 |
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| 16:53.42 | jmcnaught | sandman13: any time you're removing packages, carefully review the list and lookup any packages you're not familiar with |
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| 16:54.13 | skilz | How do I install Steam? |
| 16:54.19 | Geraldus | looks like this is issue with PATH var ((( |
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| 16:55.42 | petn-randall | Geraldus: Looks like id from coreutils isn't found. Either you don't have it installed, or you've mucked around with your PATH variable. |
| 16:55.50 | jmcnaught | Geraldus: also "lsb_release -a" should report 7.5 if you were up to date. |
| 16:56.25 | Geraldus | petn-randall: I guess this is because of PATH |
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| 16:57.02 | petn-randall | !tell skilz about steam |
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| 16:57.27 | sandman13 | jmcnaught: I did that because it was a VM and I wanted to see what happen |
| 16:57.29 | sandman13 | s |
| 16:57.51 | petn-randall | Geraldus: What is your PATH? |
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| 17:00.08 | Geraldus | I’ve edited /etc/login.defs, so I found at list one mistake there: `ENV_SUPATH=/root/.cabals:/bin:$rest_stuff` instead of `/root/.cabal/bin:$rest_stuff` |
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| 17:04.05 | Geraldus | petn-randall: so I reverted my changes to `login.defs` back, now after relogin I have following PATH: `/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/usr/local/vesta/bin` (echo $PATH). But error message still appears |
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| 17:05.26 | Geraldus | and I do have `id` command availabe, looks like the issue with path is occurs when /etc/profile executes. |
| 17:05.44 | Geraldus | Just while logging in. |
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| 17:05.49 | petn-randall | Geraldus: If you revert all your changes, does the error go away? |
| 17:05.53 | odroidHelp | helllo |
| 17:06.00 | Geraldus | petn-randall: No ) |
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| 17:06.11 | Geraldus | odroidHelp, hi! ) |
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| 17:06.41 | odroidHelp | anyone feel like troubleshooting something fun? |
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| 17:07.26 | Geraldus | odroidHelp: all our life is troubleshooting, if it is not fun you will die bored %) |
| 17:07.41 | odroidHelp | haha well said |
| 17:07.44 | petn-randall | odroidHelp: Is it related to Debian? |
| 17:07.49 | odroidHelp | its debian |
| 17:08.02 | petn-randall | odroidHelp: If it is, just ask ahead, don't ask to ask, or if anyone can help you. |
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| 17:08.08 | odroidHelp | i just love those days, it worked yesterday and today it doesnt... |
| 17:08.25 | petn-randall | !tell odroidHelp about ask |
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| 17:08.59 | odroidHelp | debian 7.5 for odroid arm, getting header errors trying to compile something...its above my paygrade |
| 17:09.27 | odroidHelp | it worrked yesterday and then i did freshh image today for another reason and it wont compile... |
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| 17:09.53 | odroidHelp | can i paste 6 lines? or will i get booted |
| 17:10.08 | jmcnaught | odroidHelp: use http://paste.debian.net and give us the link |
| 17:10.13 | odroidHelp | cheers |
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| 17:10.36 | odroidHelp | http://paste.debian.net/106559/ |
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| 17:11.14 | nitz | The package "initramfs-tools" is stuck in a "half-configured" state. Running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" results in the process getting stuck at "Running post-installation trigger initramfs-tools" & "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.12-1-amd64" & "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw". Any suggestions on resolving this? log: https://infotomb.com/gy7do.txt |
| 17:11.16 | odroidHelp | tried upgrading libusb-dev and tried root, triedd every simple thing i could. no dice today |
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| 17:11.24 | Geraldus | Why `id` could not be accesible when `/etc/profile` is being evaluated during login process? How to check PATH value before login? |
| 17:11.51 | jmcnaught | odroidHelp: most likely you are missing the package libc6-dev |
| 17:12.05 | odroidHelp | i have it installed np |
| 17:12.29 | petn-randall | nitz: Have you checked with top if 'dpkg --configure -a' is still doing something when it seemingly stalls? |
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| 17:12.57 | odroidHelp | apt-get install libc6-dev Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done libc6-dev is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 17:13.01 | odroidHelp | woops worry |
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| 17:13.19 | odroidHelp | http://paste.debian.net/106561/ |
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| 17:14.04 | fishcooker | there is process running process after window screen "screen" closed accidentaly.. but i can't continue it .. but still the process running .. there is dpkg running background.. how to continue them? |
| 17:14.15 | nitz | petn-randall: I have "top" open. How can I find/filter the dpkg process to see if it is still active? |
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| 17:15.06 | odroidHelp | its insane, the error says select.h is missing, sure its missing its in the bits directory, not thhe sys directory by default...i dont know why the types.h is having issues with /sys/select.h |
| 17:15.14 | petn-randall | nitz: Pushing > and < will go left and right by the columns to sort. Try to hit CPU% and check if dpkg is up there. |
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| 17:16.10 | odroidHelp | i figured im simply missing a package of some sort but i dont think I am...i have installed sixpair and qtsixa 15 times on various platforms...and even this one yesterday np. but today not happy. |
| 17:16.24 | nitz | petn-randall: I see two dpkg processes running. Both have 0% cpu and a tiny amunt of %MEM in usage. |
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| 17:17.06 | atari314 | Hello, on a debootstrap install (using an ubuntu live-cd as host), which should be the proper way to mount /sys? The documentation (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html) don't mention it but while installing the kernel the initramfs asks for it. |
| 17:17.08 | petn-randall | nitz: Can you check if "dmesg | less" shows you any errors? |
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| 17:17.35 | Geraldus | Oh, I assume I found solution https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables |
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| 17:20.10 | nitz | petn-randall: I see several lines at the end of that log that look similar to this format: [######.######] traps: ld-linux-x32.so[####] general protection ip:####### sp:####### error:0 in ld-2.18.so[#######+#####] |
| 17:20.11 | odroidHelp | so how do i verify that libc6-dev is installed proper? have tried upgrade and install and both say its fine |
| 17:21.28 | petn-randall | nitz: You sure you're running Debian? libc6 2.18 is in no Debian release. |
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| 17:22.21 | nitz | petn-randall: That comment was directed at odroidHelp I think. |
| 17:22.35 | odroidHelp | got it |
| 17:22.45 | odroidHelp | im sure im runing debian 7.5 |
| 17:22.55 | dFence | hey guys, can anyone tell me if it’s possible to automatically generate a list of build/run-dependencies for tarballs like this: http://git.exherbo.org/summer/packages/x11-libs/cogl/index.html ? |
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| 17:23.03 | petn-randall | nitz: Nope, you've got an error mentioning ld-2.18.so (which is in libc6, and 2.18 is the version) ... |
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| 17:23.54 | fishcooker | how to continue the process that still running inside the box? |
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| 17:25.38 | nitz | petn-randall: dpgk found the following libc6 package installed: "ii libc6:amd64 2.18-5 amd64 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries" |
| 17:26.37 | odroidHelp | OK so i found a package i installed today that i didnt yesterday...maybbe this is the conflict...only difference. |
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| 17:27.03 | odroidHelp | i did apt-get install pyqt4-dev-tools |
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| 17:27.18 | odroidHelp | and didnt yesterda...safest way to revert that package or remove it? |
| 17:27.23 | logari81 | after a suspend-wakeup cycle, cpu load balancing is disabled completely, CPU0 takes the whole load. Any idea how to debug this issue? |
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| 17:29.20 | nitz | Any suggestions on a way to work around a stuck install process? "sudo dpkg --configure -a" is getting stuck in the middle of the configuration of a package. |
| 17:29.23 | jmcnaught | nitz: libc6 2.18 isn't in any of the Debian releases. Wheezy uses 2.13, Jessie uses 2.19. Either you're not using Debian (maybe a derivative?) or perhaps you've used a non-Debian repository that has pulled in a different version of libc6 |
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| 17:29.58 | nitz | jmcnaught: Would that explain the process getting stuck? |
| 17:30.18 | jmcnaught | nitz: if you're using a non-Debian libc6 then you certainly could expect problems like this |
| 17:31.14 | nitz | jmcnaught: I am on testing. Any suggestions on where to go from here to resolve this issue? |
| 17:31.17 | hairyDragon | I have an rtl8818ce based network card and I copied the firmware-realtek package from another computer and installed it. Now it shows up Wifi networks but won't connect to them at all. How could I fix this? |
| 17:31.20 | jmcnaught | nitz: libc6 is basically the core runtime for a Linux system after the kernel, replacing it with a non-Debian one (or even from a different Debian release) will break your system. |
| 17:31.33 | ctmjr | fishcooker: what is the output of "screen -list" |
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| 17:32.01 | jmcnaught | nitz: you might want to go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org for help with Jessie.. though they'll need to know about the libc6 version you have too |
| 17:32.44 | fishcooker | no screen attach ctmjr |
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| 17:32.58 | fishcooker | but yes there is the perl process.. |
| 17:33.05 | fishcooker | still running |
| 17:33.13 | fishcooker | how to continue those process? |
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| 17:33.18 | fishcooker | ctmjr: |
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| 17:33.44 | jmcnaught | fishcooker: did you background the process with Ctrl+Z? use "fg" to bring it back to the foreground |
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| 17:34.36 | odroidHelp | hrmmm still getting compilation terminated...damn if i have to start again im going to lose my mind |
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| 17:36.19 | fishcooker | no jmcnaught.. i accidentally close the window "screen" command |
| 17:36.26 | fishcooker | the process still running |
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| 17:36.35 | fishcooker | i do apt-get dist-upgrade -y |
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| 17:37.29 | fishcooker | if there is #perl* command .. is "#perl* fg %1" will bring it to the front jmcnaught? |
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| 17:38.30 | nh2 | hi, need some quick apt help: How can I tell `apt-get install -f` that I'm not actually interested in a certain package it wants to "fix" for me? |
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| 17:41.42 | slitt_newbox | For some reason, X keeps thinking my monitor is 1920x1200 instead of its true 1920x1080, and every time I need to run lxrandr, change and apply. Because this is dwm, it doesn't remmeber the change between invocations. Is there a way I can set the screen resolution permanently? I couldn't find an xorg.conf anywhere. |
| 17:42.15 | slitt_newbox | Debian Wheezy 7.5 64bit with self-compiled dwm, run from startx, by the way. |
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| 17:42.55 | fishcooker | i've tried the #perl* fg %1 .. there is a message .. resource temporarily unavailable jmcnaught |
| 17:44.05 | mtn | nh2: not interested in what way? |
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| 17:45.45 | jmcnaught | fishcooker: sorry my IRC client doesn't hilight unless my nick is at the start of the message. "fg" only works if it's bash that backgrounded the process. "screen -DR" doesn't work at all? |
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| 17:46.18 | phaazon | hi |
| 17:46.31 | phaazon | I’m looking for my SD card in /dev/ |
| 17:46.36 | phaazon | I can’t find nothing : |
| 17:46.40 | phaazon | http://i.imgur.com/vKGrNXo.jpg |
| 17:47.00 | phaazon | any idea where it could be? |
| 17:47.09 | fishcooker | jmcnaught: let say i've perl process that running background .. is it possible to restart those process(yes i have the pid)? |
| 17:48.59 | jmcnaught | fishcooker: well you could kill the process, but i don't know if that will leave it in a broken state or not with whatever software you're using |
| 17:49.14 | phaazon | /dev/mmcblk0p5 |
| 17:49.18 | phaazon | ok I guess it’s my SD card |
| 17:50.25 | fishcooker | ok i will try to kill it.. im worried about the broken dependency thing |
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| 17:50.41 | fishcooker | jmcnaught: thankyou |
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| 17:54.00 | nh2 | mtn: I installed some other version of boost, which then failed because some dependency tried to install an already existing file, and I decided it wasn't worth the effort and wanted to go back to my old version, but -f wanted to satisfy some deps of the new version. I managed by figuring out that if I want to install/remove at the same time, I have to *append* my - and +, not prepend, so nvm :) |
| 17:54.22 | mtn | nh2: nice you figured it out |
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| 18:17.30 | SpaceKookie | I'm running Debian Wheezy but the new Spotify client requires the "libc.so.6" library version GLIBC_2.14 which apparently can be found in the Jessie or Sid repositories. How dangerous is it to install that from there? And do I have other options except not use Spotify anymore? |
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| 18:18.33 | X-Sleepy-X | SpaceKookie: Have you tried the web player? play.spotify.com |
| 18:18.42 | jelly-home | SpaceKookie: you won't get any possible security updates for libc6 and friends from that point on. It's not worth it. |
| 18:18.44 | jmcnaught | SpaceKookie: don't mix testing/unstable repos into Wheezy.. especially don't install libc6 from testing/unstable. Everything else depends on libc6, so doing that will break your system or essentially upgrade you partially to testing |
| 18:18.46 | RandomGuy5432 | you can always install a separate system in Virtualbox risk-free just for your Spotify :) a bit of a waste though if you're short on RAM or disk space |
| 18:19.20 | SpaceKookie | X-Sleepy-X: Yea obviously I can use the web player but is there anything else I can do? Except…upgrade to Jessie ? |
| 18:19.27 | jelly-home | jmcnaught: upgrading just the glibc components does not, and should not break other software, but is problematic from a packaging system point. |
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| 18:20.12 | jmcnaught | jelly-home: okay |
| 18:20.17 | jelly-home | jmcnaught: that is _the_ one critical component that absolutely has to be backward compatible |
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| 18:20.28 | RandomGuy5432 | SpaceKookie if you have lots of RAM, just fire up a virtual machine with different system for it, no risk then of breaking anything (goes for all software) |
| 18:20.30 | jelly-home | well, libc and the kernel |
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| 18:21.10 | SpaceKookie | RandomGuy5432: Hmmm…well I guess I could run the Windows version via wine....but okay, thanks. I guess it's my own fault for running the stable release XD |
| 18:21.22 | RandomGuy5432 | stable is good :) |
| 18:21.49 | SpaceKookie | Oh I just found older Spotify packages on Google Code...maybe those will work. |
| 18:22.24 | X-Sleepy-X | awaits Spotify OS |
| 18:22.49 | SpaceKookie | "spotify-client depends on libssl0.8.9." |
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| 18:23.42 | RandomGuy5432 | if you have 4GB or more of RAM, virtual machines are a great option, everything "just works" and you won't break anything :) I love my Debian stable but I have an Ubuntu and a Windows VM open for some things |
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| 18:23.49 | X-Sleepy-X | SpaceKookie: There is a work-around for that if I remember correctly. Try to find instructions for it on Google. |
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| 18:24.08 | SpaceKookie | Well I apparently already have the latest libssl-dev package |
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| 18:25.29 | SpaceKookie | Ah, I found the right package. And spotify even launches :) |
| 18:25.34 | SpaceKookie | It's an older client but at least it works. |
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| 18:31.17 | sheap | does anyone have experience packaging a python application? |
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| 18:33.27 | skilz | Hey I downloaded Firefox 64-bit version and copied the binary over to /opt, when I type 'firefox' in terminal command is not found. |
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| 18:34.31 | Brigo | skilz, you need the full path, for example /opt/firefox/firefox.bin |
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| 18:37.40 | babilen | skilz: Ask in a mozilla channel for help with that. Any particular why you don't use the (perfectly integrated) iceweasel in Debian? |
| 18:37.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell skilz about firefox |
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| 18:40.05 | X-Sleepy-X | !anyone | sheap |
| 18:40.18 | X-Sleepy-X | !dpkg anyone |
| 18:40.19 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 18:40.20 | sheap | yes yes |
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| 18:44.19 | sheap | well I have a python web app made with Flask/Celery that I wanted to package to make it easier to deploy. In the end I want it to install dependencies and install the files to the correct directories (most of which go into /var/www/) |
| 18:44.29 | skilz | babilen, Because it is slower then the 64-bit version of Firefox, that's why. |
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| 18:44.50 | sheap | not sure if that's even possible or just so overwhelmingly complex that it is too difficult for a new person. |
| 18:44.51 | skilz | Brigo, how can I setup my system so I don't have to type the full path? Add it to my path> |
| 18:44.57 | babilen | skilz: I doubt that as it is quie the same modulo the branding |
| 18:45.17 | babilen | skilz: Iceweasel *is* Firefox |
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| 18:46.14 | skilz | It's a much older version |
| 18:46.20 | skilz | I don't think it is 64bit? |
| 18:46.44 | Brigo | skilz, if you install amd64 or multiarch you get firefox 64 |
| 18:46.55 | skilz | Personal preference anyways. |
| 18:47.04 | jhutchins | skilz: It's the same code. |
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| 18:47.23 | skilz | For some reason it's slower. |
| 18:47.26 | skilz | Starts slower |
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| 18:47.54 | okee | I just upgraded libreoffice from 3.5.4.2 to 4.2, but the page is now half the size, and hard to see. Anyone know how I can increase the size of the page? |
| 18:48.54 | jhutchins | !mdo |
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| 18:49.56 | cheater | okee: maybe press ctrl and use the mouse wheel? |
| 18:50.20 | okee | cheater> Nope, it didn't do it. |
| 18:50.51 | cheater | tried asking in #libreoffice ? |
| 18:51.34 | okee | cheater> It just started increasing. Thanks for your help. Also, #Libreoffice is suffering from an energy deficiency. |
| 18:51.47 | babilen | skilz: You would have to seek support for that in #firefox then. Which Iceweasel version do you compare against which Firefox version? |
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| 18:52.31 | cheater | okee: that took long |
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| 18:53.09 | okee | cheater> Initially it wouldn't work. But it worked in preview mode, and after that, then it worked in the default mode. |
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| 18:53.55 | cheater | cool |
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| 18:57.13 | adamsilver | is this java 6 or 7: javac 1.8.0_05 |
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| 19:36.27 | skilz | Is framebuffer the thing that gives the nice looking picture in the console? |
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| 19:44.01 | d4t | debian is no doubt one of the most powerful programming languages I've ever used. I use it extensively on my laboratories to carry highly complex computations |
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| 19:44.54 | ruukasu | is it feasible to replace the coreutils with busybox on an existing debian gnu/linux install? |
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| 19:45.08 | dondelelcaro | ruukasu: why bother? |
| 19:45.39 | ruukasu | dondelelcaro, so I can be one step closer to saying that I'm not running gnu/linux |
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| 19:46.27 | dondelelcaro | ruukasu: uh... but you'll still be using gnu libc? Anyway, it's feasible, but some things will not work, and you'll have to fix them. |
| 19:46.57 | dondelelcaro | it's basically not worth it |
| 19:47.02 | ruukasu | I know, but in theory |
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| 19:47.26 | ruukasu | would it just be something like `alias mv="busybox mv"` |
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| 19:49.01 | cperdue | busybox installations normally use symlinks to the busybox executable if I remember correctly |
| 19:49.05 | cperdue | busybox just looks at the name of the link to determine what to run |
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| 19:50.12 | jmcnaught | ruukasu: why don't you test it out in a VM? |
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| 19:53.29 | frostschutz | ruukasu, in short: no |
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| 19:58.37 | jhutchins | ruukasu: Why not just run a BSD or NextStep? |
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| 19:59.26 | ruukasu | because I like debian and arch, I just want to experiment in such a way that would anger rms ;) |
| 20:00.05 | ruukasu | (calling my os "linux" and being correct) |
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| 20:01.00 | some-cowbell | here's how you can -really- piss him off... make a linux with NONE of the gnu stuff, including no gcc |
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| 20:02.29 | ruukasu | some-cowbell: but that requires effort and has been done |
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| 20:03.34 | jhutchins | ruukasu: How is it that you imagine that rms cares what you do? |
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| 20:05.23 | some-cowbell | he doesn't seem to want to piss rms off as much as we thought... creating the dist, doing the marketing work sufficient so rms sees it... both take effort |
| 20:06.20 | ruukasu | jhutchins, he doesn't, but I have nothing better to do than create an exception to a rule |
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| 20:06.45 | ruukasu | (rule being "it's not linux, it's gnu/linux", which used to annoy me quite a bit until I realized how much of gnu/linux was gnu) |
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| 20:07.48 | some-cowbell | thing is, yes, rms has done some boneheadded things lately... but creating an entire userland set did help a lot of people |
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| 20:08.09 | ruukasu | some-cowbell, which boneheaded things? |
| 20:08.23 | some-cowbell | gfdl for one |
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| 20:08.58 | some-cowbell | which he used to preserve manifesto-oriented materials |
| 20:09.52 | ruukasu | god forbid man pages escape the copyleft regime and flee to the public domain |
| 20:10.05 | GuidovanPossum | just curious, why would swap be used when there's plenty of ram still available? |
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| 20:10.53 | ruukasu | I used to know the answer to this, can't remember |
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| 20:12.42 | ruukasu | GuidovanPossum, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swappiness |
| 20:12.55 | jmcnaught | GuidovanPossum: the kernel will start putting stuff in swap so that it's there already when it needs to be used |
| 20:13.27 | jmcnaught | also there's a lot of off-topic chatter going on in here that would perhaps be better suited for #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:19.41 | GuidovanPossum | thanks both interesting, I had the default swappiness of 60, which I'll stick with but I'm looking into the documentation on it to see what I can learn |
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| 20:24.26 | AbsoluteBuffoon | good evening |
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| 20:26.20 | AbsoluteBuffoon | I have a mouse connected to the 9 PIN serial port of my computer. "dmesg | grep tty" tells me that the serial port is /dev/ttyS0. I have used modprobe to insert the sermouse (sermouse.c) module into the kernel. |
| 20:27.01 | AbsoluteBuffoon | I have been using cat /dev/ttyS0 and moving the mouse / clicking the buttons expecting to see some output, but I get nothing |
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| 20:28.32 | AbsoluteBuffoon | what am I doing wrong? |
| 20:29.55 | OpenTokix | AbsoluteBuffoon: I am guessing your mouse is not connected by serial port |
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| 20:30.01 | OpenTokix | AbsoluteBuffoon: but rather some usb-port |
| 20:30.39 | AbsoluteBuffoon | how can it be connected by a usb-port when it is a serial mouse and I have plugged it into the 9 pin serial port? |
| 20:31.30 | OpenTokix | AbsoluteBuffoon: you have a 9-pin serial mouse? omg. - ok - but try /dev/psaux |
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| 20:33.17 | AbsoluteBuffoon | just tried "cat /dev/psaux" and again to no avail |
| 20:33.37 | OpenTokix | did you boot with the mouse connected? |
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| 20:34.23 | AbsoluteBuffoon | I did boot with the mouse connected, but I had to manually insert the driver module using modprobe after bootup (modprobe sermouse) |
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| 20:34.34 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 20:34.37 | AbsoluteBuffoon | the module definitely inserted OK because I can see it in the list when I type lsmod |
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| 20:34.47 | OpenTokix | I havent used a serial mouse for like 15 years, so knowledge is rusty =) |
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| 20:35.28 | OpenTokix | AbsoluteBuffoon: and the serial port is enabled in bios? |
| 20:35.28 | zykotick9 | AbsoluteBuffoon: after searching online (cause i have no idea how to get a serial mouse working in gnu/linux, but was a bit curious) seems like inputattach might be helpful. arch has a wiki page at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Attaching_serial_input_devices_to_the_kernel_input_system best of luck. |
| 20:35.38 | TheQuestionmark | It's mostly a mouse with a ball instead of a laser for movement. |
| 20:35.50 | zykotick9 | OpenTokix: seeing the /dev/ttyS0 "suggests" it is |
| 20:36.20 | OpenTokix | zykotick9: not nessary |
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| 20:37.08 | AbsoluteBuffoon | I am assuming the serial port is enabled in BIOS because dmesg | grep tty produces this output: |
| 20:37.09 | AbsoluteBuffoon | 00:06: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4, base_baud = 115200) is a 16550A |
| 20:38.06 | AbsoluteBuffoon | IRQ = 4 means that it has been assigned an interrupt line by the operating system doesn't it? |
| 20:38.12 | Brigo | AbsoluteBuffoon, and how did you configure the mouse? |
| 20:38.21 | AbsoluteBuffoon | I didn't |
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| 20:38.59 | AbsoluteBuffoon | I merely inserted the serial mouse driver into the kernel and now I'm trying to capture some input from it using "cat /dev/ttyS0", which I foolishly assumed would work |
| 20:39.14 | Brigo | try to install gpm, is a pacakage to get mouse support in text mode, I think it still configures serial mouse. |
| 20:39.40 | Brigo | AbsoluteBuffoon, i should work, i am no really sure |
| 20:39.45 | skilz | Wow |
| 20:39.55 | AbsoluteBuffoon | I don't really need to get the mouse working with gpm etc per se. I have a working USB mouse connected to the computer |
| 20:39.57 | skilz | Minecraft runs like crap in Debian but fine in Windows, why is that? |
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| 20:40.27 | skilz | I have openjdk-7-jre installed an nouveau drivers |
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| 20:40.47 | jelly-home | skilz: games often run better with closed-source blob drivers |
| 20:41.07 | jelly-home | at least, that's the case on nvidia cards |
| 20:41.29 | skilz | I've tried to install the propriety nvidia driver twice now and I ended up having to reinstall Debian |
| 20:41.33 | zykotick9 | AbsoluteBuffoon: wait, do you have two mice connected here? i believe that might change things (cause my attempts at getting two mice working on one xorg proved more difficult then i expected... multi-point was an issue at the time) |
| 20:41.35 | skilz | It keeps breaking xorg |
| 20:41.35 | AbsoluteBuffoon | I'm wondering now whether I blew my serial port up when I plugged a 9 pin atari joystick into it a few months ago before I realised there was a difference between the serial port and the atari style joystick port |
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| 20:41.53 | jelly-home | skilz: sounds like you're lacking some... skills |
| 20:41.56 | jelly-home | hides |
| 20:42.01 | skilz | Yes I am |
| 20:42.13 | skilz | But this is my name, Steven Kilzony |
| 20:42.23 | skilz | AKA S.kilz |
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| 20:43.11 | jmcnaught | skilz: are you installing the nvidia drivers by running the installer script from nvidia's website, or are you using the packages provided by Debian? |
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| 20:44.17 | skilz | Debian |
| 20:45.34 | jmcnaught | skilz: following the instructions here? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers -- What goes wrong when you've tried this before? |
| 20:45.45 | skilz | This time all I done was install debian, then xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, then installed kernel 3.14 from Wheezy backports and nvidia-kernel-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd6 |
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| 20:46.24 | skilz | Well when I do; |
| 20:46.27 | skilz | $ lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 20:46.27 | skilz | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation Device [10de:1184] (rev a1) |
| 20:46.36 | skilz | Doesn't show my card, GTX 770 |
| 20:46.43 | skilz | Even using the 3.14 kernel. |
| 20:46.54 | jelly-home | judd: pciid 10de:1184 |
| 20:46.56 | judd | [10de:1184] is 'GK104 [GeForce GTX 770]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:1184 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 20:47.20 | jelly-home | skilz: that _is_ your card |
| 20:47.39 | skilz | And nvidia-detect says; Uh oh. Your card is not supported by any driver version up to 304.117 |
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| 20:48.36 | shay_shay | uh oh |
| 20:48.40 | Brigo | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 20:48.41 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.117-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+2; jessie/non-free: 331.67-2; sid/non-free: 331.79-1; experimental/non-free: 337.19-1 |
| 20:48.43 | shay_shay | uh oh |
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| 20:49.27 | Brigo | skilz, you have the 304.117 in wheezy, and the 319 in backports |
| 20:49.44 | skilz | Okay so what command do I have to do? |
| 20:50.15 | shay_shay | :D |
| 20:50.16 | jelly-home | to install nvidia-kernel-dkms from wheezy-backports? |
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| 20:50.21 | skilz | nvidia-kernel-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 20:50.22 | skilz | ? |
| 20:50.31 | skilz | I already have that |
| 20:50.31 | jelly-home | ,v nvidia-kernel-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 20:50.32 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 on i386 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82+1~bpo70+1+1~bpo70+2+3.14.4-1~bpo70+1 |
| 20:50.50 | jelly-home | skilz: which version do you have installed? |
| 20:51.10 | skilz | nvidia-kernel-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 20:51.29 | jelly-home | skilz: that's the package name. Which version? |
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| 20:51.39 | skilz | I have no idea what you mean? |
| 20:51.54 | jelly-home | skilz: dpkg -s nvidia-kernel-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 20:51.54 | shay_shay | :D |
| 20:52.04 | ctmjr | skilz: you had this working yesterday what happened? |
| 20:52.11 | skilz | Nah I didnt |
| 20:52.16 | skilz | Only nouveau |
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| 20:52.57 | skilz | jelly-home, Version: 319.82+1~bpo70+1+1~bpo70+2+3.14.4-1~bpo70+1 |
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| 20:53.12 | dimitry7 | How do you monitor the service that is congesting your server local connectivity?? |
| 20:53.27 | jelly-home | skilz: and which version of nvidia-detect package btw? |
| 20:53.33 | jelly-home | ,v nvidia-detect |
| 20:53.34 | judd | Package: nvidia-detect on i386 -- squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.117-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+2; jessie/non-free: 331.67-2; sid/non-free: 331.79-1; experimental/non-free: 337.19-1 |
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| 20:54.36 | skilz | 304.117-1 |
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| 20:54.55 | jelly-home | install the one from wheezy-backports, and try again |
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| 20:55.54 | skilz | IS the name just nvidia-detect-319.82-1~bpo70+2 |
| 20:56.26 | jelly-home | the name of the package is "nvidia-detect" |
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| 20:57.06 | skilz | Ok cool done, now what? |
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| 20:57.43 | skilz | h oh. Your card is only supported by the 71.86 legacy drivers series, which is not in any current Debian suite. |
| 20:57.52 | skilz | wtf |
| 20:57.58 | skilz | This aint no legacy card |
| 20:57.59 | jelly-home | lol |
| 20:58.16 | skilz | State of the art |
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| 20:58.26 | jelly-home | too new for Debian apparently |
| 20:58.30 | skilz | Is my card too new? |
| 20:58.32 | skilz | Really? |
| 20:58.37 | skilz | It's like over 6 months old |
| 20:58.46 | jelly-home | 12 months is a better bet |
| 20:58.51 | skilz | Yep |
| 20:59.02 | skilz | So I can't install nvidia closed drivers? |
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| 20:59.22 | skilz | What about the one I downloaded from the website? |
| 20:59.41 | jelly-home | either backport 331.something or 337.something or try jessie or use windows for minecraft |
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| 21:00.13 | skilz | What? |
| 21:00.25 | skilz | Whats 331 337 and jessie? |
| 21:00.37 | skilz | 1337 |
| 21:00.47 | jelly-home | 331.* and 337.* are versions of nvidia-driver |
| 21:01.01 | jelly-home | jessie is current debian testing branch |
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| 21:01.37 | skilz | I have the 331 driver from the nvidia site |
| 21:01.37 | jelly-home | "backport" is a process of adapting package from debian testing to released debian |
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| 21:01.48 | skilz | Ah I understand now. |
| 21:01.57 | jelly-home | yeah, but that installer usually makes a mess |
| 21:02.12 | skilz | So I tried to run this before and it said I have a current driver installed by another mechanism |
| 21:02.29 | skilz | Remove it via the same way it was installed |
| 21:02.43 | skilz | 'Continue anyway'? or 'quit'? |
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| 21:02.59 | skilz | How do I get around it? |
| 21:03.16 | jelly-home | I can't guess what it means, sorry |
| 21:03.32 | skilz | How do I try Jessie with out reinstalling? |
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| 21:03.39 | skilz | Is there a way to dist-upgrade ? |
| 21:04.00 | jelly-home | there is, but testing can be broken in other ways |
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| 21:04.14 | skilz | How new is it? |
| 21:04.23 | skilz | If it's 6 months old thats good enough for me. |
| 21:04.26 | jelly-home | you don't seem to have enough debian experience to use testing |
| 21:04.26 | Brigo | what about bakports? |
| 21:04.41 | skilz | Most 'major' bugs should be ironed out |
| 21:04.45 | ctmjr | skilz: the 319 driver in backports support that card you are doing something wrong http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-319.32-driver.html |
| 21:05.02 | jelly-home | ctmjr: and yet, nvidia-detect 319 says it's unsupported |
| 21:05.30 | jelly-home | 319.82 from wheezy-backports |
| 21:05.59 | jelly-home | (worse, it detects it as a very old card) |
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| 21:06.22 | Brigo | may be a nvidia-detect fail |
| 21:06.50 | skilz | I'll take my chances with the nvidia site driver |
| 21:07.08 | skilz | How to get around whay it tells me about current driver installed from debian? |
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| 21:08.27 | skilz | I have NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-319.32.run and NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.79.run, the later being the better one to use? |
| 21:08.33 | skilz | Most up-to-date. |
| 21:09.03 | floyin | skilz: to get around the warning, you'll have to remove the packages you installed from debian |
| 21:09.19 | skilz | How do I do that? |
| 21:09.24 | skilz | Wow I can't remember them all |
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| 21:09.30 | skilz | is it nouveau? |
| 21:09.40 | skilz | nvidia-detect |
| 21:09.48 | Brigo | both, i think |
| 21:09.56 | skilz | nvidia-kernel-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 21:10.02 | skilz | Hmm, what else? |
| 21:10.06 | skilz | I'm scared |
| 21:10.07 | floyin | I've installed the NVIDIA-Linux... drivers without removing nouveau before |
| 21:10.21 | skilz | This is going to break x... AGAIN :/ |
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| 21:10.34 | floyin | Probably. |
| 21:10.44 | ctmjr | skilz: you cannot have nouveau driver and the nvidia driver running at the same time they conflict with each other |
| 21:11.01 | floyin | Take this with a grain of salt, but what I've done before to remove all of the nvidia stuff was apt-get remove nvidia-*. |
| 21:11.13 | floyin | Others may have a better approach |
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| 21:11.27 | floyin | but after that I go to a virtual console and run the nvidia installer |
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| 21:11.40 | skilz | Ok thanks |
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| 21:12.22 | floyin | skilz: I currently run sid, and I run into issues when I dist-upgrade and the kernel changes. DKMS never builds right for me so I have to manually reinstall the driver if the kernel changes |
| 21:12.42 | skilz | Should I now first remove the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau too? |
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| 21:13.09 | zykotick9 | skilz: be sure to follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers good luck. |
| 21:13.10 | floyin | I would think so. The other option would be to blacklist the module |
| 21:13.16 | skilz | Okay going to try and install now, with me luck :) |
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| 21:13.41 | skilz | zykotick9, that page is useless for me! |
| 21:13.48 | skilz | My card is too new for Debian! |
| 21:14.06 | zykotick9 | skilz: if that's the case, i pity you. good luck... you'll need it. |
| 21:14.08 | skilz | Trying now |
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| 21:15.19 | zykotick9 | realizes backports has already been pointed out... so souldn't be that bad. |
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| 21:18.30 | skilz | Said the 'nouveau kernel is currently in use by your system, please disable it first'. |
| 21:18.30 | skilz | How do I disable it? |
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| 21:18.48 | comradekingu | skilz: you blacklist it |
| 21:18.48 | skilz | How? |
| 21:18.57 | HicksD | skilz: installing the nvidia drivers should result in a blacklist entry added for you |
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| 21:18.57 | dondelelcaro | skilz: did you follow the instructions here? |
| 21:19.04 | dondelelcaro | skilz: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 21:19.10 | skilz | DUde |
| 21:19.13 | zykotick9 | skilz: just installing the non-free driver should blacklist it automatically. do you need something newer then 319.82-1 from backports? |
| 21:19.20 | skilz | My card is too new for Debian |
| 21:19.27 | HicksD | What card do you have? |
| 21:19.28 | dondelelcaro | skilz: installing the appropriate nvidia-kernel-common package will give you the blacklist, which will work. |
| 21:19.42 | skilz | GTX 770 |
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| 21:20.42 | dondelelcaro | skilz: that's supported by nouveau |
| 21:21.01 | dondelelcaro | has a GK107, and that's a GK104. |
| 21:21.31 | HicksD | nvidia site isn't loading for me atm so I can't check if it's supported by 319, see if it loads for you and if so you can install that from backports as dondelelcaro mentioned. |
| 21:22.21 | HicksD | ah, just loaded and 770 may not be supported. 600 looks to be the latest other than 700M |
| 21:22.26 | skilz | Yes nouveau works, but I can't play games with it |
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| 21:26.15 | skilz | Shit how do I unblacklist nouveau? |
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| 21:27.49 | dondelelcaro | skilz: you can either purge the nvidia-kernel-common package, or edit the blacklist entry in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 21:29.13 | skilz | Phewwww |
| 21:29.21 | skilz | x still worked when I rebooted |
| 21:29.31 | skilz | But now the console text is big and ugly |
| 21:29.36 | sim590 | I'm trying to make run gmediarender. I get this http://pastebin.com/x2tmcMuE. Some guy on this website http://blog.scphillips.com/2013/01/a-upnp-renderer-for-the-raspberry-pi/ makes me think I have to install gstreamer0.10-plugins-good.. but when I try to install it, I get : http://pastebin.com/L0XHsmKU |
| 21:29.39 | skilz | The booting text |
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| 21:30.06 | HicksD | Not that it's much help, but Jessie has 331 which supports the 700 series. |
| 21:30.13 | johnnyfive | Howdy. I'm a little confused on the best way to install a specific library. I am using wheezy, but need a library that is only in the sid repos. Is it best to just install it (and the dependencies) from source, or is there a safe way to add the sid repos and install the library without putting my system in an unstable state? |
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| 21:33.21 | jmcnaught | johnnyfive: you could try backporting it from sid to wheezy.. try asking dpkg bot with "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 21:33.58 | jhutchins | johnnyfive: That's the safe way to do it. |
| 21:34.07 | jmcnaught | johnnyfive: it's not really that great an idea to add the sid repos to stable, you'll probably end up upgrading a lot more than you intend to |
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| 21:34.26 | johnnyfive | jmcnaught, that's my worry. Thanks i'll look at back ports. |
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| 21:35.10 | HicksD | back porting can be pretty simple depending on the package and its dependancies or a pain. |
| 21:35.20 | HicksD | Which library is it? |
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| 21:36.22 | johnnyfive | HicksD, libtorrent-rasterbar7 |
| 21:36.49 | johnnyfive | and associated python-libtorrent |
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| 21:37.05 | jelly-home | judd: checkbackport libtorrent-rasterbar7 |
| 21:37.23 | johnnyfive | Yea I just did, it's not there, so might have to do it myself |
| 21:37.28 | judd | Backporting package libtorrent-rasterbar7 in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
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| 21:37.59 | HicksD | that should be a case of grabbing the package and building then. |
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| 21:38.19 | jelly-home | right. Backporting original libtorrent and its user rtorrent was straightforward, did that twice or so |
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| 21:38.59 | jmcnaught | johnnyfive: follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb" and you'll get wheezy compatible .debs |
| 21:39.03 | johnnyfive | So once completed, should I submit it to back ports? |
| 21:39.19 | skilz | johnnyfive, Why not use this qbittorrent-nox - bittorrent client based on libtorrent-rasterbar (without X support) |
| 21:39.41 | jelly-home | johnnyfive: not unless you're committed to maintaining the backport for the lifetime of wheezy |
| 21:39.58 | johnnyfive | skilz, I have actually been using qbittorrent, but it's insufficient for my needs (which i've been fixing with my own code, but it's still not what I want) |
| 21:40.15 | skilz | Why is your needs? |
| 21:40.18 | johnnyfive | jelly-home, I see, thanks |
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| 21:41.20 | HicksD | if you do decide you'll willing to maintain it, check out the docs on building via pbuilder so that it's built in a clean wheezy install |
| 21:41.50 | HicksD | even if you don't, might be worth setting up to avoid installing packages on your current install that are only needed for building the lib. |
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| 21:42.38 | johnnyfive | skilz, It's a little out of scope if I can get libtorrent-rasterbar7 working - but basically a torrent downloader that has a plugin system, able to connect a gui remotely (or at the very least a functional webui) and a functioning label/tagging/sorting system. |
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| 21:43.10 | johnnyfive | HicksD, I will be going the back port way for sure, thanks ;) |
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| 21:43.59 | johnnyfive | we'll see about maintaining it once it works.... |
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| 21:44.40 | skilz | Has anyone played Battlefield4 on Debian yet? |
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| 21:54.10 | temhaa | hi |
| 21:54.46 | temhaa | I see mysql log in /var/log/daemon.log |
| 21:55.26 | temhaa | for example log line: mysqld: 140625 0:54:55 [Warning] Unsafe statement written to the binary log using statement format since BINLOG_FORMAT = STATEMENT. |
| 21:57.20 | jhutchins | temhaa: WHat do you suppose that's trying to tell you? Did you go to the mysql web page to see what it means by "Unsafe statement", and what the recommended BINLOG_FORMAT is? |
| 21:57.42 | skilz | Steam needs to install these additional packages: |
| 21:57.43 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.52 | skilz | Is that going to break x if I install those? |
| 21:57.56 | skilz | I use nouveau |
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| 21:58.27 | jelly-home | skilz: libgl1-mesa-dri _is_ nouveau (parts of it) |
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| 21:58.48 | temhaa | jhutchins, Why look logs to daemon.log |
| 21:58.52 | mark06 | in debian packaging, how can I make ${shlibs: Depends} generate a libpurple dependency of 2.10.9-rs137, which is the version of the package I'm building? instead, the field states libpurple0 (>= 1:2.8.0) which is not what I want |
| 21:59.11 | skilz | But it's i386 |
| 21:59.16 | skilz | SO I should be ok? |
| 21:59.27 | temhaa | jhutchins, this log why in daemon.log? |
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| 21:59.52 | jelly-home | skilz: if you're using free drivers, yes |
| 22:00.11 | jhutchins | temhaa: Because that's where it's configured to log by rsyslog.conf |
| 22:00.12 | skilz | Wow it wants to download a whole bunch of files |
| 22:00.14 | skilz | drivers |
| 22:00.16 | skilz | I dont like this |
| 22:00.32 | skilz | Screw it! |
| 22:00.39 | skilz | I can do without Steam on here |
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| 22:00.44 | jhutchins | temhaa: More likely in rsyslog.d/* |
| 22:00.55 | skilz | But how do I fix my console font now? It's big now not small anymore :/ |
| 22:01.05 | jelly-home | skilz: don't fix it. |
| 22:01.16 | skilz | But it looks like shit now |
| 22:01.27 | skilz | Since I removed all those nvidia files before |
| 22:01.29 | jelly-home | it's not worth the trouble, and you're not spending a lot of time in console |
| 22:01.44 | skilz | and tried the closed source nvidia driver |
| 22:01.47 | skilz | ok |
| 22:01.58 | skilz | Is it framebuffer? |
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| 22:02.08 | jelly-home | if you're indeed running on nouveau, next reboot will set up graphical framebuffer console again |
| 22:02.26 | skilz | Ok |
| 22:02.35 | skilz | How do I get a tux picture in the top left? |
| 22:02.46 | temhaa | jhutchins, my rsyslog.d/my.conf is http://paste.debian.net/106622/ |
| 22:02.54 | jelly-home | that's only present with fb console |
| 22:03.08 | temhaa | jhutchins, I didnt configure about mysql in rsyslog.conf |
| 22:03.11 | jelly-home | skilz: (if you're talking about the boot-time linux logo) |
| 22:03.12 | skilz | Like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_framebuffer#mediaviewer/File:KNOPPIX_booting.png |
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| 22:03.47 | jelly-home | skilz: you don't need that, either |
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| 22:04.25 | skilz | Wow this looks really nice http://mjanusz.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/shot.png |
| 22:04.30 | skilz | But can I get it? |
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| 22:04.37 | Mousey | why god |
| 22:05.04 | skilz | Is it hard to get tux? |
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| 22:06.24 | jelly-home | skilz: setting up splash screens for boot is a waste of time, IMHO |
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| 22:08.06 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.10 | skilz | Is that what I need? |
| 22:08.16 | addaitech | just install plymouth |
| 22:08.31 | addaitech | https://wiki.debian.org/plymouth |
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| 22:10.32 | skilz | Nooo that's ugly |
| 22:10.35 | zykotick9 | skilz: fyi, that tux is a kernel option (and debian doesn't include it, by default) it's not worth the effort (fyi, it's one tux per core, so one smb systems, you can see many tuxs) |
| 22:10.40 | os-app92 | Hello |
| 22:10.49 | os-app92 | Just installed jessie on VirtualBox |
| 22:11.01 | skilz | I just want text boot still with tux ^_^ |
| 22:11.02 | zykotick9 | s/so one smb/so on smb/ |
| 22:11.15 | skilz | I have i7... So I will have 8 tuxes? |
| 22:11.36 | os-app92 | and weirdly apt-get install virtualbox-guest-additions-iso replies not found package |
| 22:11.37 | zykotick9 | that would be the plan |
| 22:11.48 | skilz | WOW XD |
| 22:11.53 | skilz | 8 Tuxes! |
| 22:12.08 | zykotick9 | has only ever seen 4 |
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| 22:13.23 | jelly-home | don't come crying when you want nvidia driver again and it fails to work because of nouveau loaded in early initramfs |
| 22:14.12 | skilz | zykotick9, like this? https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/geoff/cell/debian-penguin-shot.png |
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| 22:17.52 | zykotick9 | skilz: fyi, i NEVER saw them with my nvidia hardware, it wasn't until i was using intel graphics that i saw them. it's kinda hardware dependent. |
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| 22:18.24 | zykotick9 | skilz: not worth the effort & probably won't work anyways... YMMV |
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| 22:18.39 | skilz | Ok I won't bother |
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| 22:19.42 | zykotick9 | skilz: sidenote, you can install the linux-libre kernel on debian from jxself's repo, it has tuxs enabled. but that's HIGHLY not supported in #d !!! |
| 22:19.55 | jelly-home | zykotick9: blob drivers disable and do not work with fb console |
| 22:20.22 | zykotick9 | jelly-home: only with horrible hack workarounds ;) |
| 22:21.01 | zykotick9 | doesn't own any nvidia or ati hardware anymore, intel with freedom thanks. gaming... not so much ;) |
| 22:21.26 | jelly-home | that was an explanation of why you might have never seen those |
| 22:21.40 | zykotick9 | jelly-home: agreed! |
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| 22:22.09 | zykotick9 | jelly-home: those silly tuxs kernel things, are particularily picky it seems. |
| 22:22.41 | jelly-home | not really, just depending on a fb console |
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| 22:23.50 | zykotick9 | jelly-home: but nouveau gives a great fb console - but i never saw the kernel tuxes?!? |
| 22:24.03 | temhaa | my similar problem in here: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/89228/mysql-log-confusion |
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| 22:39.03 | Skaag | how difficult is it to backport network manager 0.9.8 to wheezy? |
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| 22:40.17 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport network-manager |
| 22:40.23 | judd | Backporting package network-manager in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: ppp-dev (>= 2.4.6), libmm-glib-dev (>= 0.7.991). |
| 22:41.12 | Skaag | :-( |
| 22:41.16 | Bert_2 | Hi, our student organisation would like to automate ethernet cable testing for package loss a little more, currently we just use two laptops, one doing DHCP, and then we use iperf on both machines, this however takes a long time. Is there a way to use one or two old machines filled with PCI network cards to automate the procedure a little more? Some pointers how to perhaps detect an attached cable and trigger a test would be great |
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| 22:41.28 | Skaag | so best to just upgrade to sid then |
| 22:41.54 | Skaag | nkuttler: that's a pretty cool feature of the bot, thanks for that |
| 22:42.40 | johnnyfive | Skaag, is it? Why not back port the two dependencies? I'm new, so i'm genuinely interested why two dependencies immediately call for a total upgrade |
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| 22:43.07 | DGMurdockIII | how can i install Cinnamon or is it advised to stick with xfce on jessie |
| 22:43.14 | Skaag | johnnyfive: I assumed the unsatisfiable dependencies meant those dependencies can't be backported or don't exist in wheezy |
| 22:43.18 | nkuttler | Skaag: um, why do you think you need 0.9.8 ? |
| 22:43.28 | temhaa | can you help me |
| 22:43.31 | nkuttler | Skaag: no, not necessarily |
| 22:43.57 | Skaag | nkuttler: it has a specific feature I need, that allows defining (and connecting to) a new access point from the command line |
| 22:44.07 | Skaag | we're writing a web based front-end for network manager |
| 22:44.13 | nkuttler | ,v network-manager |
| 22:44.14 | judd | Package: network-manager on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.1-6+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.4.0-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.4.0-10; jessie: 0.9.8.10-3; sid: 0.9.8.10-3 |
| 22:44.22 | mark06 | I've built my version of pidgin which generates also a libpurple0 and pidgin-data package, however the dependency field is set to the distro version of these packages, not my own version. How can I make ${shlibs: Depends} refer to the versions have been just built? |
| 22:44.27 | Skaag | that feature appeared in 0.9.6 I believe |
| 22:44.49 | nkuttler | Skaag: yeah, i'd rather try to backport the deps. but if it's just for development, sure, testing/sid are an option |
| 22:45.07 | Skaag | hm. I'll try both. |
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| 22:47.25 | zykotick9 | Skaag: fyi, "sometimes" you can then backport the "unsatisfiable build dependencies:" themselves, to make it work. but obviously, this can become frankendebian quickly... |
| 22:48.56 | zykotick9 | only <ssb>s 1 package, with minimal deps |
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| 22:50.50 | decan | Hello to everyone! |
| 22:51.40 | Skaag | zykotick9: yah, you're right, one more reason to just upgrade to sid |
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| 22:52.21 | decan | How can I update my squeeze 6.0 to 6.0.9? please help me |
| 22:52.37 | zykotick9 | Skaag: _personally_ i consider testing/sid a downgrade from stable, but ymmv (most people do ;) |
| 22:52.39 | Skaag | nkuttler: specific feature I need: npmcli dev wifi con <network> password <pass> |
| 22:52.54 | Skaag | that's what worried me in the first place, and the reason I wanted to backport |
| 22:53.29 | mtn | decan: simply update/upgrade using your favorite tools |
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| 22:54.52 | decan | mtn: this is like apt-get dist-upgrade? I'm afraid this could upgrade to 7 |
| 22:55.33 | mtn | decan: no need for dist-upgrade and you wouldn't go to 7 unless your sources say stable in them instead of squeeze |
| 22:55.42 | zykotick9 | "dist-upgrade" <- one of the least understood commands in apt. full-upgrade _is_ much clearing in this case. |
| 22:56.05 | zykotick9 | s/clearing/clearer/ |
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| 22:58.17 | decan | mtn, yes, I've checked my source.list for only squeeze |
| 22:58.46 | mtn | decan: good, so no worries |
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| 22:59.08 | decan | mnt, zykotick9 I'm already upgrading! Thanks guys |
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| 23:12.16 | bauhaus1919 | hello all, i have installed debian, and now i would like to use opengl. any pointers? |
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| 23:14.25 | jmcnaught | bauhaus1919: have you been unable to use it successfully? How do you know you're not already using it? ;) |
| 23:14.55 | bauhaus1919 | it may be already installed, i do not know where the libs and header files are, i am using gcc |
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| 23:16.56 | jmcnaught | bauhaus1919: what are you trying to do, get started with OpenGL development, compile something that uses OpenGL? You can search for packages here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and note that most libraries have a -dev package that includes the headers |
| 23:17.41 | bauhaus1919 | i am attempting to start using opengl, ive been studying it for weeks! cant wait |
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| 23:18.50 | jmcnaught | bauhaus1919: well check out the package database above ^^, and you can also search for packages on the command line.. if you know which library you want to use, make sure you have the -dev package for that library installed |
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| 23:21.12 | GuidovanPossum | I just started by running some of the examples with openframworks+codeblocks bauhaus1919 |
| 23:22.01 | bauhaus1919 | ok, that sounds awesome, know will debian and raspbian work with each other |
| 23:22.17 | cynicallemon | bauhaus1919, apt-cache search opengl | grep dev | grep lib |
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| 23:22.48 | cynicallemon | pretty much yes |
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| 23:28.23 | zykotick9 | bauhaus1919: "will debian and raspbian work with each other" probably not. if you're using a rpi, you "probably" (i believe) should be using raspbian - but that isn't supported in #d! just what i've heard... could be wrong! |
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