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| 00:01.15 | phoric | the debian docs on dependancy based startup/shutdown are quite sparse |
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| 00:09.08 | anoob | cafuego, i've tried several live cds (including debian) and i didn't find something like "rescue mode" |
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| 00:10.54 | kll31 | somehow my ~/bin is no longer in $PATH. all i remember doing was a dist-upgrade and also playing with /etc/motd and /etc/issue. does anyone know how this could have happened? |
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| 00:15.28 | cafuego | anoob: On the 14.04 CD, hit esc at the boot menu and then see F4 - other boot methods, rescue mode. |
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| 00:16.28 | cafuego | anoob: Admittedly that's different from the 12.04 CD i used yesterday, which has an actual "recovery mode" on its main boot menu. |
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| 00:17.11 | mininessie | i am getting this error Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (2: No such file or directory) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? and this is a fresh install and i don't have sudo but ran su in the terminal and enter the root password help |
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| 00:19.22 | anoob | cafuego, it does make ssense |
| 00:20.14 | rmorabia | How can I change a user's password from the command prompt (recovery mode)? |
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| 00:21.47 | trogdor_ | use the passwd command |
| 00:22.12 | rmorabia | What about other users, not root? |
| 00:23.07 | cafuego | passwd username |
| 00:23.17 | trogdor_ | change the password as an ordinary user? |
| 00:23.36 | cafuego | make sure / is mounted read-write, btw. |
| 00:23.44 | cafuego | mount -n -o remount,rw / |
| 00:25.25 | rmorabia | Thanks, got it to work. |
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| 00:28.05 | anoob | i think this issue is new in sid. posted today: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=84834&sid=3513b900b1030d25fae94c181cbe6501&start=15#p544675 :) |
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| 00:31.12 | jmcnaught | phoric: what have you tried doing so far? |
| 00:31.23 | phoric | 05.31 jmcnaught » phoric: what have you tried doing so far? |
| 00:31.30 | phoric | oops |
| 00:32.18 | phoric | jmcnaught: I've tried editing the init.d script for supervisor and adding the dependancies on the Required-start/stop lines |
| 00:32.36 | phoric | which seems to have no effect |
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| 00:34.20 | phoric | I've also tried adding an override file to /etc/insserv/overrides to no effect |
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| 00:35.48 | phoric | it seems like during shutdown, the message appears saying the supervisord is shutting down before the database. but then it doesn't actually wait for the children to shutdown |
| 00:35.49 | jmcnaught | phoric: have you checked for the /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering file? |
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| 00:36.28 | phoric | jmcnaught: I'm not familiar with that |
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| 00:37.33 | phoric | I don't see that file there |
| 00:37.39 | jmcnaught | phoric: it's probably not there, but if it is the system will still use the old boot order |
| 00:37.53 | Skaag | what's the bot command to check build dependencies for a pkg? |
| 00:38.00 | Skaag | ,build-deps network-manager |
| 00:38.45 | jmcnaught | Skaag: you can message the bots, and search their commands here: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/ |
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| 00:39.52 | Skaag | thanks |
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| 00:40.34 | jmcnaught | phoric: i'm just reading insserv(8) and update-rc.d(8) to try and help you figure it out :) |
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| 00:40.56 | lift | Will python packages installed to /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages with pip conflict with apt-get installed python packages? |
| 00:40.56 | phoric | jmcnaught: thank you! I've been doing the same |
| 00:41.37 | jmcnaught | phoric: have you tried using "X-Stop-After" ? |
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| 00:42.43 | Skaag | ,build-dep network-manager |
| 00:42.44 | judd | Package network-manager in wheezy -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 8.1.0), dpkg-dev (>= 1.16.1), autotools-dev, pkg-config, intltool, libdbus-glib-1-dev (>= 0.75), libdbus-1-dev (>= 1.1), libiw-dev (>= 27+28pre9), libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.22), libnl-3-dev, libnl-route-3-dev, libnl-genl-3-dev, ppp-dev (>= 2.4.5), libpolkit-gobject-1-dev, libgnutls-dev, uuid-dev, libudev-dev (>= 147), libgudev-1.0-dev, |
| 00:42.45 | judd | libgirepository1.0-dev (>= 0.10.7-1~), gobject-introspection (>= 0.9.12-4~), gtk-doc-tools, libglib2.0-doc. |
| 00:42.52 | phoric | jmcnaught: not yet. I'm unclear on the usage |
| 00:43.07 | jmcnaught | Skaag: try "/msg judd build-dep network-manager" :) |
| 00:43.21 | Skaag | wait, that's not what I was trying to do |
| 00:43.45 | Skaag | I think nkuttler helped me here yesterday, the goal was to backport network-manager 0.9.8 to wheezy |
| 00:43.46 | jmcnaught | phoric: i'm not sure either, but it looks like it would be used the same way as the other headers in the LSB init script |
| 00:43.53 | abrotman | Skaag: the bot responds in msg .. |
| 00:43.58 | Skaag | he used a bot command which showed which other packages i'll have to backport |
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| 00:44.12 | abrotman | Skaag: /msg judd backport-check foopkg |
| 00:44.18 | Skaag | that's the one, thanks! |
| 00:44.22 | abrotman | And please don't do it in the channel again |
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| 00:45.19 | Skaag | doesn't work |
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| 00:45.58 | jmcnaught | lift: from inside a python interpreter, import sys module then "print sys.path" to see the PYTHONPATH you're using |
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| 00:46.16 | jmcnaught | Skaag: i believe it's "/msg judd checkbackport network-manager" |
| 00:46.36 | Skaag | thanks jmcnaught |
| 00:47.05 | Skaag | that worked |
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| 00:47.50 | jmcnaught | Skaag: the dpkg bot can be messaged too, no need to do it in the channel :) |
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| 00:48.36 | phoric | jmcnaught: doesn't seem to make a difference. it's almost as if there needs to be a deliberate pause inserted after stopping supervisord. when I stop it manually, it takes 15-30 seconds to down my programs. when I shutdown or reboot the system, it's almost instant. |
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| 00:50.30 | phoric | jmcnaught: like debian just throws a TERM at supervisor and ignores the outcome. |
| 00:51.06 | phoric | or otherwise doesn't wait for it's children to close |
| 00:51.38 | anoob | for the record, "udevadm trigger" and then "exit" (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=752591#5) enabled my system boot ... thanks all :D |
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| 00:52.22 | Skaag | any advice on backporting packages from jessie/sid to wheezy, before I crack my skull on it? |
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| 00:53.05 | abrotman | Skaag: which package? |
| 00:53.14 | Skaag | network-manager |
| 00:53.20 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:53.29 | abrotman | I wouldn't even attempt that |
| 00:53.30 | Skaag | I need specific functionality in nmcli that was added in 0.9.6 and later |
| 00:53.51 | Skaag | the ability to connect to a specific hotspot |
| 00:54.13 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.16 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:54.17 | abrotman | Good luck |
| 00:54.19 | Skaag | or I need an alternative, how to tell networkmanager, programmatically, to do that |
| 00:54.46 | Skaag | (without the GUI) |
| 00:55.12 | Skaag | that's what I'm really trying to achieve |
| 00:55.20 | jmcnaught | phoric: well if i get a spontaneous clue later on and you're still around i'll ping you. I hope you figure it out :) |
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| 00:56.33 | phoric | jmcnaught: ok, thanks for the attempt. stumped me too, and there's not much on it. you'd think shutdown order would be an important topic with everyone out there running custom apps. |
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| 00:57.26 | phoric | jmcnaught: booting works perfectly fine, fwiw. |
| 00:57.27 | jmcnaught | phoric: it's probably something simple eluding both of us.. maybe someone else will know what to do |
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| 01:00.22 | jmcnaught | Skaag: i'm not that familiar with nmcli, but it looks like you can specify a connection by uuid. I just got a list (including uuids) by running "nmcli con list". Judging from the man page it looks like you should be able to do "nmcli con up uuid <uuid>". I could be wrong though, I just spent a few minutes in the man page and haven't really used nmcli before today |
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| 01:01.53 | jmcnaught | Skaag: well.. "nmcli con up uuid <uuid of my VPN>" just successfully brought up my VPN |
| 01:02.07 | abrotman | uses network-manager with his VPN |
| 01:02.21 | guest_____ | I'm trying to install 3rd-party firmware, but I'm not sure how. This is the documentation for it, but it doesn't work: https://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 |
| 01:02.57 | guest_____ | Specifically, the first step, when I input "deb," in the command line, it says it's not a valid command. |
| 01:03.32 | SirLagz | shpleh |
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| 01:04.06 | rtur | guest_____: it's not a command, as it states in the line above |
| 01:04.17 | jmcnaught | guest_____: that's not a command, it's telling you to make sure you have a line that looks like this inside teh file /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:07.25 | guest_____ | Now it's saying I don't have permission to edt the file? |
| 01:07.48 | jmcnaught | guest_____: only root can edit that file |
| 01:08.04 | abrotman | Nothing like reading the instructions .. |
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| 01:10.50 | SirLagz | abrotman: something that a lot of people apparently lack the ability to do nowadays |
| 01:11.17 | abrotman | ahem .. |
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| 01:46.41 | queso | Hello, I've recently set up a new Brother printer. It prints fine. If I load up xsane as root, I can scan. If I do so as a regular user, xsane doesn't work -- says "Failed to open device `brother4:bus4;dev1': Invalid argument." This user is in the scanner group, is there another group I need to add since this printer is hooked up via USB? |
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| 01:48.48 | Skaag | jmcnaught: the connection has to exist to have a uuid |
| 01:48.55 | jmcnaught | queso: I had a similar problem with my father's brother scanner. It needed an udev rule to be added. This might help: http://support.brother.com/g/s/id/linux/en/instruction_scn1c.html?c=us_ot&lang=en&comple=on&redirect=on#d6 |
| 01:49.01 | Skaag | jmcnaught: what if it's a new wifi hotspot for which no connection exists yet? |
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| 01:50.53 | queso | jmcnaught: I will try that, thank you. |
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| 01:51.45 | queso | jmcnaught: I'm on Wheezy. Should it go in /lib/udev or /etc/udev ? |
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| 01:53.16 | jmcnaught | queso: custom rules go in /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 01:53.28 | queso | jmcnaught: That's what I thought. |
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| 01:57.20 | jmcnaught | Skaag: like i said i'm not that well versed with nmcli. I'm a little busy right now but if I think of something later I'll ping you |
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| 02:35.19 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Is it OK to define a runlevel 7? If so do I have to do anything other then define the directory /etc/rc7.d? |
| 02:35.34 | abrotman | uh |
| 02:35.51 | dvs | MouseTheLuckyDog: why do you need a runlevel 7? |
| 02:35.57 | MouseTheLuckyDog | I don't want to muck up existing runlevels. |
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| 02:36.09 | abrotman | what are you actually trying to d? |
| 02:36.11 | abrotman | do? |
| 02:36.17 | dvs | MouseTheLuckyDog: run levels 3 to 5 is generally not used. |
| 02:38.03 | MouseTheLuckyDog | abrotman, I'm just rying to figure out what is going on with some run levels. |
| 02:38.10 | abrotman | to do what? |
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| 02:38.17 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Sorry I meant some init scripts. |
| 02:38.46 | Shadow_7 | depends on the flavor as systemd changes that behavior |
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| 02:38.58 | MouseTheLuckyDog | SO I want to boot without them running. |
| 02:39.09 | dvs | ???? |
| 02:39.50 | Shadow_7 | the /etc/rc?.d/S## are "start"ed scripts... and the /etc/rc?.d/K## are the "kill"ed scripts (aka shutdown) |
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| 02:40.02 | Shadow_7 | for sysV style inits |
| 02:40.33 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Shadow_7, How do I tell if systemd is running? AFAIK it hasn't been made the default yet. |
| 02:40.35 | Shadow_7 | as in links to /etc/init.d/<scripts> |
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| 02:40.52 | Shadow_7 | MouseTheLuckyDog: should show in ps output |
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| 02:41.07 | Shadow_7 | MouseTheLuckyDog: plus you have to systemctl stop <script> instead of /etc/init.d/... |
| 02:41.45 | rebauld | MouseTheLuckyDog: what do you or don't want running? |
| 02:44.06 | MouseTheLuckyDog | BTW what is rcS,d for? Is that just single from boot or is it common stuff? |
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| 02:44.36 | dvs | MouseTheLuckyDog: run levels 2 to 5 are set up the same. |
| 02:44.57 | dvs | by default |
| 02:45.55 | dimitry7 | how can I see which process is sending DNS queries? |
| 02:46.07 | Shadow_7 | iirc single user mode... or always runs... not really up on those these days |
| 02:46.39 | Shadow_7 | rc0 and rc6 are basically off as in shutdown or reboot |
| 02:47.16 | Shadow_7 | dimitry7: netstat -pxtuna |
| 02:47.28 | Shadow_7 | plus tcpdump for port 53 |
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| 02:48.11 | rebauld | hey MouseTheLuckyDog - make sure you have a repair cd handy - i have a feeling you gonna need it |
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| 02:49.22 | Shadow_7 | if you don't mess it up too bad you can just --reinstall the packages affected |
| 02:50.06 | dimitry7 | Shadow_7, excellent!! Those are great answers, thank you!! |
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| 02:50.41 | Shadow_7 | in my case atieventsd was flooding port 53 for tvc-ip.com cruft... xauth list... showed the config issue |
| 02:51.42 | Shadow_7 | still not sure how it got in that state. But I only partially installed fglrx stuff and was using radeon drivers |
| 02:51.48 | dimitry7 | Shadow_7, oh, perfect! The problem is in my internal server, a server keeps asking for some IPs |
| 02:51.58 | dimitry7 | private address range. |
| 02:52.31 | rebauld | quick what is the address range -- don't google it |
| 02:52.39 | dimitry7 | and I want to know in that server which process is requesting dns lookups, but netstat does not show anything to port53 |
| 02:52.54 | dimitry7 | 192.168.1.0 |
| 02:53.03 | MouseTheLuckyDog | rebauld, I have a seperate fresh install on a new SSD. About two weeks old. I haven't gone over yet, because I want to setup ecurity ( AIDE/tripwire, SELinux, LXC ) on it first. |
| 02:53.04 | dimitry7 | local, remote .30.0, .40.0, etc |
| 02:53.57 | Shadow_7 | if it's nothing critical you can just kill programs in the netstat output on the source until it stops... and that's obviously the culprit |
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| 02:54.27 | dimitry7 | Shadow_7, yes that's a good point! |
| 02:54.31 | Shadow_7 | speedometer is useful for that |
| 02:54.46 | dimitry7 | the thing is that when I added in etc/hosts the entry... it didn't query the DNS any more |
| 02:54.56 | dimitry7 | but then My laptop started querying :-S |
| 02:55.32 | dimitry7 | it wasn't sending queries before to those addresses |
| 02:55.38 | dimitry7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.41 | dimitry7 | like that |
| 02:55.44 | Shadow_7 | my instance of cruft was putting out enough port 53 content to equal 1/6th of a decent dialup connection |
| 02:55.52 | dimitry7 | 192.168.1.95 is this PC from which I am chatting |
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| 02:56.26 | Shadow_7 | looks like the xauth + atieventsd stuff I had issue with... the in-addr.arpa |
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| 02:56.52 | dimitry7 | Shadow_7, yes |
| 02:57.04 | dimitry7 | it is weird |
| 02:57.11 | dimitry7 | bro, see you tomorro |
| 02:57.13 | Shadow_7 | dimitry7: xauth list |
| 02:57.19 | dimitry7 | its 10 pm here and I need to go home |
| 02:57.22 | dimitry7 | im still at work |
| 02:57.27 | Shadow_7 | and see if it persists when X isn't running |
| 02:57.32 | dimitry7 | okay will search about that and see aroung tomorrow |
| 02:57.39 | dimitry7 | okay perfect! |
| 02:57.53 | dimitry7 | root@donkey:~# xauth list |
| 02:57.54 | dimitry7 | xauth: creating new authority file /root/.Xauthority |
| 02:57.54 | dimitry7 | root@donkey:~# |
| 02:58.07 | Shadow_7 | as the user that started X |
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| 02:59.50 | Shadow_7 | the .Xauthority + $DISPLAY + $XAUTHORITY lets users who didn't start X run X apps. |
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| 03:13.09 | ninoho | trying to make a bootable backup of hdd to ssd. created partition in ssd. mount it as /mnt. then rsync the / fs of the hdd to /mnt. but cannot chroot to /mnt. why? |
| 03:13.48 | Shadow_7 | is / active while you rsync? |
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| 03:14.30 | ninoho | active means? it was the / of the hdd. must be active in that sense. |
| 03:14.42 | Shadow_7 | the /dev /proc /run /sys /.... stuff is a lot of virtual things that shouldn't be copied as real files. And do not exist on an install that you're not booted to |
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| 03:15.24 | poeticrpm | what do you mean you cant chroot to /mnt? What does it say |
| 03:15.36 | ninoho | i know. those were excluded in an exclude file with option --exclude-from. |
| 03:15.40 | poeticrpm | and yes, you dont need /proc /run or /sys to be rsynced over |
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| 03:16.04 | Shadow_7 | you likely do need /proc/ and /dev/ mounted to the chroot before you chroot |
| 03:16.35 | ninoho | chroot /mnt |
| 03:16.36 | ninoho | chroot: failed to run command '/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 03:16.49 | Shadow_7 | and maybe others if you want to run X apps on an already launched X session |
| 03:17.10 | poeticrpm | ninoho, chroot /mnt /bin/bash |
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| 03:17.23 | Shadow_7 | export LANG=C; chroot /mnt /bin/bash |
| 03:17.30 | Shadow_7 | although debians default shell is dash |
| 03:17.30 | poeticrpm | that too |
| 03:17.50 | ninoho | mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc |
| 03:17.52 | ninoho | mount: mount point /mnt/proc does not exist |
| 03:18.05 | Shadow_7 | mount -t proc proc-chroot /mnt/proc |
| 03:18.14 | Shadow_7 | mount --rbind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 03:18.19 | poeticrpm | make sure the ssd is still mounted at /mnt |
| 03:18.29 | Shadow_7 | that too ^^^ |
| 03:19.18 | poeticrpm | also, if you exclude proc, dev, and sys, make sure the empty directories exist at least. I usually exclude like /proc/* |
| 03:19.31 | ninoho | mount -t proc proc-chroot /mnt/proc |
| 03:19.33 | ninoho | mount: mount point /mnt/proc does not exist |
| 03:19.39 | poeticrpm | that way it gets the directories but doesnt put in the other crap |
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| 03:19.50 | Shadow_7 | so... mkdir /mnt/proc |
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| 03:20.26 | poeticrpm | ninoho, thats because proc doesnt exist in /mnt. change directories to /mnt and run ls- what happens? |
| 03:20.30 | Shadow_7 | since you didn't sync the contects (or the directory) |
| 03:20.47 | Shadow_7 | s/contects/contents/ |
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| 03:21.26 | Shadow_7 | aka mount point .... does not exist |
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| 03:23.40 | ninoho | have made /proc and /sys and bind them,but still cannot chroot. mkdir /mnt/proc |
| 03:23.42 | ninoho | root@debian2:/home/hja# mkdir /mnt/sys |
| 03:23.43 | ninoho | root@debian2:/home/hja# mount -t proc proc-chroot /mnt/proc |
| 03:23.45 | ninoho | root@debian2:/home/hja# mount -t sys sys-chroot /mnt/sys |
| 03:23.46 | ninoho | mount: unknown filesystem type 'sys' |
| 03:23.48 | ninoho | root@debian2:/home/hja# mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys |
| 03:23.49 | ninoho | root@debian2:/home/hja# chroot /mnt |
| 03:23.51 | ninoho | chroot: failed to run command '/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 03:24.11 | Shadow_7 | chroot /mnt /bin/dash |
| 03:24.27 | ninoho | 'chroot /mnt' should be ok. default to bash. |
| 03:24.37 | Shadow_7 | debians default is dash |
| 03:24.46 | Shadow_7 | you likely need to apt-get install bash |
| 03:25.18 | ninoho | chroot /mnt /bin/dash |
| 03:25.20 | ninoho | chroot: failed to run command '/bin/dash': No such file or directory |
| 03:25.20 | Shadow_7 | i.e. sh script.sh == runs under dash, not bash |
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| 03:25.42 | Shadow_7 | are you root when trying to chroot? |
| 03:25.45 | poeticrpm | ninoho: have you physically verified the contents of /mnt |
| 03:25.47 | poeticrpm | ? |
| 03:26.17 | ninoho | i am root. yes, have check contents of /mnt. |
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| 03:26.23 | poeticrpm | physically go to /mnt/bin and look for a bash or dash executable. It should be there. If not, the backup must have missed some things |
| 03:26.43 | ninoho | ls /mnt |
| 03:26.45 | ninoho | bin boot dev etc grub home lib lost+found media opt proc root run sbin srv sys tmp usr var |
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| 03:27.18 | Azodon | "use osx or windows to repair" not trying to be rude but i get tired if hearing things like this. but this is why linux cant catch a better break. for years I myself was "conditioned" to use windows repair disk to fix MBR problems or, install windows first to fix format. While learning linux years ago these were things I was told to do because it was easier. We all need to work harder to curve this behavior |
| 03:27.29 | poeticrpm | ninoho: ls /mnt/bin |
| 03:27.34 | ninoho | s /mnt/bin/dash |
| 03:27.35 | ninoho | /mnt/bin/dash |
| 03:27.52 | ninoho | should be ls |
| 03:28.44 | Shadow_7 | perhaps cd /mnt and then chroot |
| 03:28.50 | poeticrpm | Azodon, what are you talking about? Nothing short of an ntfs filesystem problem cant be fixed with Linu |
| 03:28.52 | poeticrpm | Linux |
| 03:28.54 | ninoho | bash is there too. |
| 03:28.56 | ninoho | ls /mnt/bin/bash |
| 03:28.57 | ninoho | /mnt/bin/bash |
| 03:29.19 | poeticrpm | ninoho, could this be a PATH problem somehow? That doesnt make sense |
| 03:29.29 | Shadow_7 | and mount without parms to verify that your shared parts happened |
| 03:30.42 | Azodon | sorry this was an accident paste. but to explain i just saw that, someone told someone else to use windows to fix a drive they wanted formated to ext4 |
| 03:30.42 | poeticrpm | Azodan: I can fix any UEFI or mbr problem from virtually any livecd or linux install. |
| 03:30.56 | ninoho | how to list PATH? |
| 03:31.05 | Shadow_7 | echo $PATH |
| 03:31.18 | poeticrpm | Azodon, that person is wrong. Its always better to use a native solution like a linux livecd |
| 03:31.25 | Azodon | i know |
| 03:31.37 | poeticrpm | not trying to bust your balls |
| 03:31.38 | Azodon | but once the guys got his answer , he left |
| 03:31.40 | ninoho | echo $PATH |
| 03:31.42 | ninoho | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 03:31.48 | moondog | poeticrpm: I'm pretty sure that's what Azodon was saying |
| 03:31.49 | rebauld | .8 |
| 03:31.52 | Shadow_7 | unless you have no native linux solutions.. no optical drive.. no working linux installs |
| 03:32.10 | poeticrpm | moondog, sorry then, I got prematurely defensive :P |
| 03:32.16 | Azodon | this guy had working install gnu/linux |
| 03:32.17 | poeticrpm | Azodon, apologies :) |
| 03:32.23 | Azodon | :) |
| 03:32.25 | moondog | I think it's a good point |
| 03:32.46 | Azodon | just was given bad advice by someone who will give bad advice again |
| 03:32.46 | Shadow_7 | it's always easier to install linux with more than one linux machine at conception |
| 03:32.57 | poeticrpm | ninoho, that path looks fine to me. |
| 03:33.24 | poeticrpm | Shadow_7, I agree. I always install from existing Linux so I have tunes and firefox :P |
| 03:33.42 | poeticrpm | though sometimes Ill let a livecd install the kernel, chroot in, then install all my apps |
| 03:34.24 | Shadow_7 | I do mostly debootstrap installs these days. But hard to do that for noobs who have no linux's and only one piece of hardware |
| 03:34.30 | poeticrpm | ninoho, what environment are you trying to chroot from? Are they both the same architecture? |
| 03:34.43 | poeticrpm | Shadow_7, yeah |
| 03:35.10 | Shadow_7 | ninoho: is it possible that you're on a 32 bit kernel trying to chroot to a 64 bit install? |
| 03:35.25 | ninoho | i rsync from hdd to ssd on the same machine. no architecture issue. |
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| 03:35.52 | Shadow_7 | cmp /bin/bash /mnt/bin/bash |
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| 03:36.13 | poeticrpm | Shadow_7, I had no experience with debootstrap when I setup debian forever ago, so I just used the livecd to install debian (minimal), then chrooted for install apps/system setup. Of course Arch and Debian you basically use a variant of debootstrap anyways |
| 03:36.35 | ninoho | did the cmp. no error. |
| 03:37.07 | poeticrpm | cmp? |
| 03:37.11 | Shadow_7 | poeticrpm: I use debootstrap as I can setup linux on any bootable storage and never boot it, until it's full blown system. |
| 03:37.13 | poeticrpm | have to look that one up |
| 03:37.24 | ninoho | cmp /bin/bash /mnt/bin/bas |
| 03:37.33 | ninoho | cmp /bin/bash /mnt/bin/bash |
| 03:37.45 | Shadow_7 | cmp is just a byte for byte compare that only output if it doesn't match |
| 03:37.58 | poeticrpm | nice |
| 03:38.10 | Shadow_7 | kind of like comparing md5sum without the extra thought |
| 03:38.21 | poeticrpm | lol |
| 03:38.34 | Shadow_7 | let the computer do the work |
| 03:39.00 | poeticrpm | so same architecture, executables exist, path looks right, wtf? |
| 03:39.27 | ninoho | anything basically wrong in what i am doing to create the bootable backup? |
| 03:39.30 | Shadow_7 | is /mnt/ the only PATH in the mount point before the copy is mounted to it? |
| 03:39.48 | Shadow_7 | aka umount and ls /mnt/ |
| 03:40.04 | Shadow_7 | although at this point a reboot might help clean up the mess |
| 03:40.20 | Shadow_7 | otherwise umount /mnt/proc /mnt/dev /mnt |
| 03:40.59 | poeticrpm | sadly, even linux is fixed by a reboot sometimes. There is a way without rebooting, but sometimes its easier |
| 03:41.14 | Shadow_7 | ninoho: the fact that your sync-ing an active system... but beyond that no |
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| 03:42.10 | poeticrpm | I rsync a live system to my external- it boots fine, and I can chroot it fine |
| 03:42.30 | jmcnaught | Skaag: hey, so it looks like pre network-manager 0.9.6 the way to add a new connection w/o using the GUI is to manually add it in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections. I'm still not quite sure how you would create the UUID. Will you be creating more than one wifi connection? If not, maybe it would be easier to use the instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 03:42.32 | Shadow_7 | a live disc or usb linux is too easy if you don't need the uptime |
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| 03:47.45 | ninoho | cannot umount /mnt now, device is busy, even after umount /mnt/proc and /mnt/sys. |
| 03:47.51 | jmcnaught | Skaag: http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=1163023 <-- maybe this will help you. It suggests that you can simply generate the uuid with uuidgen. Still, using the method suggested in the wiki link from my last message might be easier especially if you only have one network to connect to |
| 03:49.35 | Shadow_7 | mount |
| 03:49.41 | Shadow_7 | no parms to see what's where |
| 03:50.21 | Skaag | jmcnaught: yes, that's what we did. I installed the uuid-runtime package so I now have uuidgen |
| 03:50.48 | Skaag | we just generate a file, put it in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ and thankfully, nmcli shows it when we list the connections |
| 03:50.58 | ninoho | mount |
| 03:50.59 | ninoho | sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) |
| 03:51.01 | ninoho | proc on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) |
| 03:51.02 | ninoho | udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,relatime,size=10240k,nr_inodes=190790,mode=755) |
| 03:51.04 | ninoho | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000) |
| 03:51.05 | ninoho | tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,size=153728k,mode=755) |
| 03:51.06 | jmcnaught | Skaag: i'm glad you figured it out, sorry i wasn't able to help earlier :) |
| 03:51.06 | ninoho | /dev/disk/by-uuid/ff5d5a7e-9d1e-46d0-bb47-9c2e47f1ec9d on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered) |
| 03:51.08 | ninoho | tmpfs on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=5120k) |
| 03:51.10 | ninoho | tmpfs on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=307440k) |
| 03:51.11 | ninoho | fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw,relatime) |
| 03:51.13 | ninoho | rpc_pipefs on /run/rpc_pipefs type rpc_pipefs (rw,relatime) |
| 03:51.14 | ninoho | binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) |
| 03:51.16 | ninoho | none on /sys/fs/cgroup type tmpfs (rw,relatime,size=4k,mode=755) |
| 03:51.17 | ninoho | systemd on /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd type cgroup (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,name=systemd) |
| 03:51.19 | ninoho | /dev/sdb1 on /mnt type ext4 (rw,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered) |
| 03:51.24 | Shadow_7 | probably should pastebin that |
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| 03:51.30 | ninoho | sorry |
| 03:51.37 | Skaag | jmcnaught: no worries it's all good. I figured "brute force" might work. |
| 03:51.51 | Skaag | jmcnaught: I know people are busy, I feel bad enough asking questions here... |
| 03:51.57 | Skaag | I know how busy I am...! :) |
| 03:52.05 | jmcnaught | ninoho: i'm surprised you didn't get kicked by a bot. please use http://paste.debian.net (not pastebin) for pastes in the future! |
| 03:52.15 | ninoho | ok |
| 03:52.27 | jmcnaught | Skaag: well, i'm here because i like helping people and always end up learning something :) |
| 03:52.59 | ninoho | the listing shows nothing wrong. |
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| 03:53.32 | Shadow_7 | the /dev/sdb1 on /mnt is the only /mnt thing listed... maybe the rsync is still running? ^Z something? |
| 03:53.53 | Shadow_7 | aka jobs / fg / bg / ... old school |
| 03:54.08 | ninoho | no, rsync was done yesterday. |
| 03:54.25 | jmcnaught | ninoho: have you tried "lsof | grep mnt" ? |
| 03:54.29 | Shadow_7 | lsof fuser and other things to see what has /mnt/ locke |
| 03:55.03 | Shadow_7 | btw cant umount if you're in /mnt... aka cd |
| 03:55.27 | ninoho | lsof | grep mnt |
| 03:55.28 | ninoho | bash 4133 root cwd DIR 8,17 4096 2 /mnt |
| 03:55.30 | ninoho | lsof 4289 root cwd DIR 8,17 4096 2 /mnt |
| 03:55.31 | ninoho | grep 4290 root cwd DIR 8,17 4096 2 /mnt |
| 03:55.33 | ninoho | lsof 4291 root cwd DIR 8,17 4096 2 /mnt |
| 03:55.37 | jmcnaught | ninoho: stop pasting in the channel!!!! |
| 03:55.50 | ninoho | ok |
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| 03:56.01 | Shadow_7 | try cd / && umount /mnt |
| 03:56.22 | ninoho | anyway, thks for the help. will surf web for further info, |
| 03:56.34 | Skaag | jmcnaught: same here |
| 03:56.47 | Skaag | I think the bots are down or netsplit |
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| 03:57.22 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell ninoho -about paste |
| 03:57.35 | ninoho | cd / && umount /mnt works. |
| 03:57.56 | ninoho | back to /mnt/. it show nothing. |
| 03:58.14 | ninoho | i mean ls /mnt/ |
| 03:59.13 | ninoho | thks and bye, |
| 03:59.18 | Shadow_7 | perhaps fsck the drive? |
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| 03:59.49 | Shadow_7 | povray compile so annoying on rpi... so many -l's... |
| 04:00.26 | fossfool | hello |
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| 04:03.26 | fossfool | Looking for info on getting a touch screen working with wheezy. |
| 04:03.29 | rawfodog | I .3 |
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| 04:05.32 | jmcnaught | fossfool: You'll probably need to include a lot more details than that, like which touch screen, what you've tried so far, which errors you're getting etc |
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| 04:05.35 | Shadow_7 | should be a mouse to most things? xinput || lsinput ? |
| 04:06.43 | fossfool | Ran into an old doc saying I should be able to see it using lsusb. Nothing there. |
| 04:07.15 | fossfool | It's a Samsung np880z5e |
| 04:07.17 | rawfodog | I just did a fresh install of debian. This time around I did not include a swap partition because I felt I didnt need one. WELL. I find out that hibernation mode writes to the swap. When I hibernate my computer it just shuts off clean. I was wondering if there is a way to specify where the hibernation file is saved as I do not have the swap partition |
| 04:07.26 | Shadow_7 | things migrated to evdev |
| 04:08.14 | Shadow_7 | rawfodog: you can dd a swap file and mkswap it and swapon it or /etc/fstab list it |
| 04:08.51 | Shadow_7 | should be the size of RAM plus a smidge probs |
| 04:09.29 | rawfodog | Shadow_7, whao slow down lol. |
| 04:09.32 | Shadow_7 | ermagerb... ran out of -l's to add to the povray make... do I dare... make check |
| 04:09.57 | rawfodog | So I make a swap ? or a I make a vr swap ? Can't I just point this to tmp ? |
| 04:10.39 | Shadow_7 | make a file... via dd of a size suitable... dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1024k count=1024... for about a 1GB file |
| 04:11.05 | Shadow_7 | then... mkswap -v1 file |
| 04:11.12 | Shadow_7 | then... swapon file |
| 04:11.15 | jmcnaught | rawfodog: https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation/Hibernate_Without_Swap_Partition |
| 04:11.26 | Shadow_7 | where FILE is any name you deem suitable |
| 04:12.40 | Shadow_7 | biscuit.pov fails again... is povray on arm a lost cause? |
| 04:14.10 | rawfodog | Thanks Shadow_7 and jmcnaught !! |
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| 04:18.08 | Shadow_7 | no guts no glory... make install... and see if make check still blows chunks |
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| 04:25.50 | L0aD1nG | Good Morning EveryBody! |
| 04:26.12 | Shadow_7 | Bueno Noches |
| 04:26.25 | L0aD1nG | bueno noches sir! :D |
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| 04:27.01 | L0aD1nG | does anyone have any idea of what this is "qemu-kvm" ? |
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| 04:27.37 | weirddan455 | L0aD1nG: virtualization software |
| 04:27.42 | Shadow_7 | sounds like virtualization of an architecture independent nature |
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| 04:28.08 | L0aD1nG | Do i really need it? |
| 04:28.20 | L0aD1nG | I mean what is used for...? |
| 04:28.37 | L0aD1nG | i didnt installed it by hand thats for sure...i mean manually |
| 04:28.38 | Shadow_7 | or is kvm kernel volume management? aka storage stuff |
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| 04:28.54 | fossfool | I've seen it in docs, I run VMWare and VirtualBox |
| 04:29.04 | L0aD1nG | tell dpkg to tell me with your tricks :D |
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| 04:33.28 | jmcnaught | L0aD1nG: you can read about packages with "apt-cache show qemu-kvm" for example to see what it is. The command "aptitude why qemu-kvm" will tell you why it is installed (or at least one reason, you might have multiple things installed that depend on it) |
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| 04:34.37 | weirddan455 | Shadow_7: no you're thinking of LVM. KVM is the kernel module that uses hardware extentions for virtualization |
| 04:34.54 | weirddan455 | and Qemu is the userspace program |
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| 04:38.23 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: arghhh i knew that answer gonna come sooner or later :) |
| 04:38.24 | Shadow_7 | none of my hardware has ever been fast enough for virtual machine stuff anyway |
| 04:38.57 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: its that i just woke up and i prefer to talk with people and read news when i am waking up. |
| 04:39.19 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: but thanks for the response dude |
| 04:39.33 | jmcnaught | L0aD1nG: maybe use #debian-offtopic if you're feeling chatty? |
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| 04:41.32 | z8z | any fortran ide for wheezy exist in the package repository? |
| 04:42.52 | L0aD1nG | hahaha |
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| 04:44.05 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: nono i am okay now, you want to dismiss me dude ? :D jk |
| 04:44.52 | demonax | Hello, I finally updated from squeeze to wheezy but brother printer drivers are in very bad inconsistent state. http://paste.debian.net/106796/ |
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| 04:45.28 | demonax | I cannot install any other software using apt-get |
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| 04:47.27 | weirddan455 | Shadow_7: virtualization doesn't require as much as you might think |
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| 04:47.56 | jmcnaught | L0aD1nG: This isn't a social channel, it's for support. So if you know how to look for answers yourself you should, and if you just want to talk then use #debian-offtopic or another channel. Maybe read "/msg dpkg offtopic" |
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| 04:50.17 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: okay dont bite me pleaseee! |
| 04:51.23 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: the truth is i didnt knew about "aptitude why" option so i learned something. |
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| 04:52.04 | jmcnaught | demonax: hey, were those packages installed already when you did the upgrade? If they were downloaded from Brother, you might need to contact their support to ask why their packages break your system |
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| 04:53.33 | demonax | jmcnaught: they were, I attempted to remove/rereinstall but ... |
| 04:55.06 | demonax | also, it seems that postrm isattempting to run a non-existing file |
| 04:55.26 | jmcnaught | demonax: it seems like it's complaining about the nonexistence of /etc/init.d/lpd which would normally be provided by the lpr package |
| 04:56.05 | sssslang | hi, can I port apt/dpkg to other distro? I want to use it for software release management over a lot systems. |
| 04:56.24 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: "aptitude why qemu-kvm" returned only that "libvirt-bin Recommends qemu-kvm | qemu (>= 0.9.1)" as the only package that depends on the qemu-kvm i guess its about VBox? |
| 04:56.26 | demonax | yep, maybe I copy it over from other workstation and see |
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| 04:58.05 | jmcnaught | demonax: i don't know if that would help because that script would then be calling commands that don't exist.. maybe if you put a script there that simply exits with return code 0? Make sure you remove it again right after |
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| 04:59.14 | demonax | jmcnaught: good idea, I'll try it |
| 04:59.16 | jmcnaught | L0aD1nG: libvirt is a generic interface for controlling different virtualization systems, most often used with KVM. KVM and VirtualBox cannot be installed at the same time (two different tools that solve the same problems) |
| 05:00.01 | jmcnaught | demonax: definitely don't want to leave your fake /etc/init.d/lpd file there though, since that file belongs to a package |
| 05:00.08 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: so i must uninstall it as i have VirtualBox installed and using? |
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| 05:01.16 | jmcnaught | L0aD1nG: well.. maybe you're getting an error about KVM module not being able to load when booting? Not sure what you have on your system or why, and usually it's not a good idea to start removing packages you don't understand right after waking up |
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| 05:02.19 | demonax | jmcnaught & all: good night, thank you! |
| 05:02.20 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: hahaha very good advice.Yea that is happening the only error i get on booting time is that "qemu-kvm" cant load correctly |
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| 05:06.03 | jmcnaught | L0aD1nG: well, that's probably because the virtualbox kernel module is loading first, and you can only have one of those two loaded at a time. |
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| 05:07.20 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught: True.What you prefer dude..prevent it from loading on boot or uninstall? |
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| 05:09.01 | weirddan455 | L0aD1nG: uninstall virtualbox... it's an external module that can compromise the security of the kernel as a whole... kvm is built into linux |
| 05:09.51 | jmcnaught | L0aD1nG: I prefer libvirt/KVM. If you insist on using VirtualBox and want to remove libvirt and qemu-kvm, be careful and look up each of the packages it wants to remove before answering yes |
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| 05:12.42 | weirddan455 | i don't know of many packages that depend on qemu/librit/kvm... they have a pretty specific use of running another OS inside linux and if you're doing that you should know about it :P |
| 05:13.17 | weirddan455 | especailly since the KVM module isn't even being loaded |
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| 05:13.52 | L0aD1nG | jmcnaught, weirddan455: but how libvirt/KVM i mean its like virtual box or smth? |
| 05:14.00 | L0aD1nG | works** |
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| 05:15.06 | L0aD1nG | is it even GUI? |
| 05:15.13 | weirddan455 | KVM is the native linux way to do virtualization... only time i would recommend virtualbox is if your CPU doesn't have the virtualzation extensions (nearly all modern x86 CPUs have them) |
| 05:15.29 | weirddan455 | KVM is just the kernel module |
| 05:15.36 | weirddan455 | qemu is the userspace program |
| 05:15.50 | weirddan455 | and libvirt ties them together in a nice interface |
| 05:16.07 | weirddan455 | virt-manager is the GUI component of libvirt |
| 05:16.53 | weirddan455 | all you really have to do is install those packages and run virt-manager and it'll give you a GUI similar to virtualbox |
| 05:17.16 | jmcnaught | L0aD1nG: i bet you could find out all kinds of stuff about libvirt on a search engine |
| 05:17.44 | weirddan455 | see what modules you actually have loaded first |
| 05:17.48 | weirddan455 | lsmod | grep kvm |
| 05:17.53 | weirddan455 | lsmod | grep virtualbox |
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| 05:18.02 | weirddan455 | i think you can only have one or the other |
| 05:18.17 | weirddan455 | and virtualbox is an external module made by Oracle *gag* |
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| 05:21.46 | L0aD1nG | weirddan455: many many thanks |
| 05:22.19 | L0aD1nG | weirddan455: i will try it someday. That thing you told me about disturbing the kernel with VirtualBox touched me :( |
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| 05:24.22 | weirddan455 | i mean you *probably* won't have problems with it |
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| 05:26.14 | weirddan455 | it's the same with any external module like the nvidia drivers (maybe nvidia even worse so since it's closed source) if you update you're kernel you have to recompile the modules and hope it works with the new kernel (they can be slow with this if you use newer kernels) |
| 05:26.15 | L0aD1nG | weirddan455: with KVM? or VBox? |
| 05:26.40 | weirddan455 | plus I just don't like Oracle |
| 05:26.45 | L0aD1nG | weirddan455: i have ATI though |
| 05:26.51 | weirddan455 | i trust the linux kernel developers a lot more |
| 05:27.11 | weirddan455 | well what video driver are you using? |
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| 05:27.22 | L0aD1nG | weirddan455: sec |
| 05:27.31 | weirddan455 | the "radeon" driver is open source and "fglrx" is the proprietary |
| 05:27.48 | weirddan455 | same with nvidia "nouveau" is open source, "nvidia" is proprietary |
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| 05:28.16 | L0aD1nG | weirddan455: i think its about that not sure fglrx |
| 05:28.18 | weirddan455 | the former is integrated into the kernel while the latter is external |
| 05:28.34 | weirddan455 | just run lsmod |
| 05:29.27 | L0aD1nG | lsmod | grep fl --> fglrx |
| 05:29.31 | weirddan455 | i mean i run proprietary nvidia just because it has better performance but if you want the best security you don't want a closed source external module loaded |
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| 05:30.16 | L0aD1nG | what should i grep for to be correct? or that is just fine? |
| 05:30.41 | weirddan455 | if it shows fglrx that's what you're running |
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| 05:31.00 | weirddan455 | that's the proprietary closed source ATI driver |
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| 05:32.55 | bascuppen | Hiya! I'm currently doing a netistall i386. After I choose for a encrypted home partition the install process takes a *heck* of a time deleting the data on the previous fat32 winxp partition. Is it using shred to overwrite the previous data? |
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| 05:34.58 | somiaj | bascuppen: isn't there a choice between a full format and quick format, the full format will zero the whole hard drive before installing I belive. |
| 05:35.30 | somiaj | been a while since I've done an install, but I thought there was a toggable option, or maybe encrypted partitions do a full format by default |
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| 05:36.09 | bascuppen | somiaj: I choose guided partitioning... |
| 05:36.37 | somiaj | guess it is default, it assumes if you want an encrypted partition you are intersted in security, and if there was any data there it makes sure it is deleted |
| 05:36.40 | somiaj | ed!] |
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| 05:36.48 | somiaj | http://superuser.com/questions/641487/speeding-up-encryption-during-debian-install |
| 05:36.49 | jmcnaught | bascuppen: it's filling the drive with random data to make it harder for the actual encrypted data to be distinguished. It's recommended to do, but I have skipped it in the past by hitting cancel and it continues okay |
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| 05:37.19 | bascuppen | somiaj: so no toggable options there I'm afraid. I'm happy with the decicion. |
| 05:37.48 | bascuppen | jmcnaught: thanks... that makes sense. |
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| 05:39.21 | jmcnaught | bascuppen: actually i might be mistaken about filling it with random data, it could just be filling it with zeroes. But the debian-installer wouldn't do it by default if it wasn't important |
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| 05:42.58 | bascuppen | jmcnaught: I already had a dd and shred session planned for that computer. Privacy is important. It is only unexpected. I'm quite happy I choose for a debian-installer. Feels like coming home again. |
| 05:45.01 | jmcnaught | bascuppen: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#partman-crypto seems to indicate it's filling it with random data |
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| 06:08.29 | bioman | Morning |
| 06:08.39 | bioman | I've just installed nvidia |
| 06:08.51 | bioman | When I reboot : fatal : module not found |
| 06:09.18 | bioman | Though I can modprobe it... |
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| 06:55.13 | KidCartouche | bioman: I think you should add it to /etc/modules |
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| 06:55.24 | KidCartouche | so that it modprobes it when it boots |
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| 07:07.45 | KidCartouche | On a wheezy box, I've tried pulling suricata from Jessie and now my /etc/debian_version is jessie |
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| 07:07.58 | KidCartouche | What change that ? |
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| 07:08.39 | KidCartouche | base-files got upgraded :-/ |
| 07:08.42 | KidCartouche | fuck |
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| 07:11.12 | formorer | KidCartouche: |
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| 07:11.54 | KidCartouche | formorer: ? |
| 07:11.54 | formorer | eh |
| 07:12.04 | formorer | KidCartouche: repeat 100 times: I should not mix releases. |
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| 07:12.16 | formorer | KidCartouche: or: I should not just install things from the next release. |
| 07:12.52 | KidCartouche | but...but...the new version was soooo much better |
| 07:13.01 | KidCartouche | :) |
| 07:13.07 | formorer | create a backport next time. or ask the maintainer for a backport |
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| 07:13.51 | KidCartouche | that's a pretty good suggestion actually |
| 07:14.02 | KidCartouche | How do I create a backport ? any pointers? |
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| 07:18.30 | surf | hi guys which is the deb experimental related channel? |
| 07:18.36 | KidCartouche | look at this beauty uptime |
| 07:18.37 | KidCartouche | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:22.37 | jelly-home | KidCartouche: the general procedure fits into 240 characters: read /msg dpkg simple sid backport; also read /msg dpkg backport, /msg dpkg backport caveat |
| 07:23.25 | formorer | KidCartouche: this only means: your system is unsecure. |
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| 07:24.27 | KidCartouche | jelly-home: will do, thanks |
| 07:25.14 | KidCartouche | formorer: ? the uptime one or the backport one ? |
| 07:25.20 | formorer | uptime. |
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| 07:26.17 | KidCartouche | formorer: yeah I know T_T I wouldn't even dare to say the debian version running on that box, there's a juniper firewall in front but still ... |
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| 07:51.27 | surf | guys after the last upgrade I can't boot. It looks like the grub has some sort of problem or the kernel is missing some modules. I get a "gave up waiting for root device" |
| 07:51.57 | surf | should I check the UUID of my boot partition with a live-cd and see if it matches with the one written in grub.conf? |
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| 07:57.26 | enkryptz | hello, since yesterday my debian unstable (after doing an apt-get upgrade) simply doesnt boot anymore, grub fails to find the root device. any known bug? |
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| 08:01.45 | enkryptz | hello, since yesterday my debian unstable (after doing an apt-get upgrade) simply doesnt boot anymore, grub fails to find the root device. any known bug? #help |
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| 08:04.00 | samugc47 | Hi all |
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| 08:04.14 | mjt | enkryptz: #debian-next I think |
| 08:04.25 | enkryptz | mjt can't go there, invite only apparently? |
| 08:04.42 | samugc47 | I'm user of debian testing, and i'm having several problems with keyboard layout and shortcuts on my desktop xfce4.10 |
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| 08:09.16 | poeticrpm | enkryptz, what is the exact message? |
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| 08:10.11 | poeticrpm | I would start by looking at grub.cfg |
| 08:10.32 | poeticrpm | and comparing the information for your debian partition with results from blkid |
| 08:10.33 | enkryptz | poeticrpm: i think its this bug in udev: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=752591 |
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| 08:11.55 | poeticrpm | enkryptz: hrmm.. I bet my debian system doesnt boot either than' |
| 08:11.58 | surf | enkryptz, hey same here! |
| 08:12.25 | enkryptz | surf and poeticrpm: wait until the initrd shell, then type "udevadm trigger", control-d, and it boots. then update udev asap :p |
| 08:12.35 | surf | enkrypt, just upgraded yesterday and taaadan! :) |
| 08:12.44 | surf | enkrypt, ok I'm trying now |
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| 08:14.20 | surf | enkrypt, did it and says "can't access tty". initramfs prompt appears again |
| 08:14.20 | samugc47 | I'm trying to look logs but seems init configuration well |
| 08:15.22 | poeticrpm | enkryptz: ill just hide in my other linux install until its fixed :P |
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| 08:16.07 | enkryptz | hmmm strange, this approach works for me |
| 08:16.10 | surf | enkrypt, /dev/sda* is not created... |
| 08:16.31 | enkryptz | surf weird! there are guys in the bug report saying that they needed to try it multiple times, a race condition seems to be involved |
| 08:16.54 | surf | oh yeah I'm reading the bug file |
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| 08:17.43 | samugc47 | The problem it's that layout and shortcuts don't init when restarting system and i have to logour and login to do it works |
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| 08:18.53 | surf | enkrypt, oh loading sd_mod does the job |
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| 08:19.38 | surf | enkrypt, I'm not rebooting until I get a fix :D |
| 08:19.48 | surf | enkrypt, which version of udev are you running? |
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| 08:20.15 | skilz | Hey my Windows partition shows up in Thunar, but when I click on it, it says "Failed to mount, Authentication required!" |
| 08:20.37 | lnxslck | try mounting it witho root |
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| 08:21.45 | skilz | I want to be able to just click on it |
| 08:21.50 | skilz | TO mounst it in thunar |
| 08:21.59 | skilz | Like I can with my usb HFS+ drive |
| 08:22.56 | skilz | How do I see what /dev/ it is? |
| 08:23.05 | enkryptz | surf I just upgraded to the newest, -212 i think |
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| 08:24.00 | surf | enkrypt, ok I have 204. I'm updating. thanks so much!! |
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| 08:29.04 | poeticrpm | skilz, policykit |
| 08:29.06 | skilz | Okay so how can I make my system auto mount /dev/sda2 to /media/Windows when it boots? |
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| 08:29.54 | poeticrpm | skilz, you can either use fstab to automount windows partition at a specific directory, or you can fix policykit so that it doesnt give you that error |
| 08:30.23 | poeticrpm | skilz, I have my windows partition mounted through fstab at /mnt/winblows |
| 08:30.35 | poeticrpm | but all my other partitions are through thunar |
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| 08:33.55 | poeticrpm | skilz, you get it? |
| 08:34.10 | skilz | What string/line would I put in fstab? |
| 08:34.17 | skilz | if its /dev/sda2 |
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| 08:35.21 | poeticrpm | skilz, UUID=1C8EA5018EA4D494 /mnt/winblows ntfs-3g defaults,noatime,ssd,discard,space_cache 0 0 |
| 08:35.59 | poeticrpm | change the uuid line to /dev/sda2, change the options to what you want, and do you have ntfs-3g installed? |
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| 08:36.16 | skilz | Yes I do |
| 08:36.27 | skilz | I jsut want read and write access |
| 08:36.44 | poeticrpm | obviously the line above is for an ssd, so you are going to have to change it up if its a hdd |
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| 08:37.12 | skilz | So would it be UUID=/dev/sda2 /media/Windows ntfs-3g defaults ? |
| 08:37.16 | skilz | Will that do? |
| 08:37.20 | skilz | Please help |
| 08:37.32 | poeticrpm | and obviously /mnt/winblows is a directory location that exists in my filesystem and thats where the windows partition will be mounted |
| 08:37.43 | poeticrpm | I think you need 0 0 at the end |
| 08:37.47 | poeticrpm | and no, just: |
| 08:38.06 | poeticrpm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:38.36 | poeticrpm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:39.24 | skilz | /dev/sda2 /media/Windows ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 |
| 08:39.29 | skilz | That will be fine? |
| 08:40.00 | poeticrpm | yeah, just make sure the directory /media/Windows exists before you reboot |
| 08:40.09 | poeticrpm | or just use: mount -a |
| 08:40.18 | poeticrpm | to double check it all works |
| 08:40.32 | samugc47 | how i can join to debian-next? |
| 08:40.45 | poeticrpm | dont even know what debian-next is |
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| 08:41.04 | skilz | /dev/sda2 /media/Windows ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 |
| 08:41.08 | sveta | the next planned release? |
| 08:41.16 | samugc47 | Irc for debian testing? |
| 08:41.38 | poeticrpm | skilz, looks right to me. Try mounting it with: mount -a (as root) and see what happens |
| 08:41.55 | samugc47 | I ask my question here, but i'm using jessie so i think this is not my channel |
| 08:42.08 | poeticrpm | I play all my music from an ntfs partition |
| 08:42.25 | poeticrpm | not sure thats really a good idea cpu wise though |
| 08:42.28 | sveta | samugc47, connect to irc.oftc.net, #debian-next channel there |
| 08:42.36 | poeticrpm | because that means ntfs3g gets involved |
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| 08:42.48 | samugc47 | but invitation is necessary |
| 08:43.08 | sveta | samugc47, on this network #debian-next forwards here, but on OFTC it doesn't |
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| 08:43.13 | poeticrpm | samugc47, im on Jessie. whats the problem? |
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| 08:43.31 | no_gravity | Good Morning! My Debian constantly tells me the battery is low. Like "you have 19 minutes".. "you have 18 minutes".. "you have 19minutes..." is there a way to tell it *not* to tell me about it every damn moment? |
| 08:43.36 | poeticrpm | plenty of people ask sid and jessie questions here |
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| 08:43.51 | samugc47 | with the keyboard layout and shortcuts on xfce4.10 |
| 08:44.11 | poeticrpm | no_gravity, need more info. What desktop environment? |
| 08:44.49 | poeticrpm | samugc47, im afraid I wont be of much help there :( |
| 08:44.54 | samugc47 | xfce4.10 with lightdm |
| 08:44.56 | no_gravity | poeticrpm: gnome. its a plain debian7 install without any customizations. |
| 08:45.18 | samugc47 | thanks in advance |
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| 08:45.39 | poeticrpm | no_gravity, on stable? Do you have gnome3 or gnome2? |
| 08:45.49 | samugc47 | no no only xfce |
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| 08:46.02 | samugc47 | there are any problem on booting with the layout |
| 08:46.16 | poeticrpm | samugc47, I was pinging no_gravity :) |
| 08:46.17 | sveta | samugc47, what with the layout and the shortcuts? |
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| 08:46.41 | no_gravity | poeticrpm: i have no idea. i just went to debian.org and clicked on the download link. then i installed it without altering any of the defaults. |
| 08:47.03 | samugc47 | The configuration of this don't init on booting, i have to logout and login to get it works |
| 08:47.16 | MCMic | Despite installing package task-esperanto-kde-desktop I got no esperanto option in KDE language selection :-/ Any idea why? |
| 08:47.21 | no_gravity | poeticrpm: oh, i have to say that i switched to gnome classic or something. so i have the task bar back. |
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| 08:47.30 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 08:47.42 | raddy | I have a non topic general question. |
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| 08:47.47 | thid | Hello |
| 08:47.54 | raddy | Please assist me kindly. |
| 08:47.59 | thid | So I have 2 computers |
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| 08:48.12 | no_gravity | poeticrpm: i mean: i was greeted with some crazy interface without a taskbar, so next time choose gnome classic or something in the login screen. |
| 08:48.21 | thid | and I must run a cron on computer1 first, and then run my cron on the 2nd |
| 08:48.29 | thid | how could I do this? |
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| 08:48.40 | raddy | Can Pick Up and From address be different in a USPS shipment ? |
| 08:48.49 | poeticrpm | no_gravity: im really not an authority on gnome, but you can try killing gnome-power-manager and see if that stops the problem |
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| 08:49.13 | thid | with ssh/autologin maybe.. |
| 08:49.22 | no_gravity | poeticrpm: that sounds dangerous. will i get no more infos about low battery then? i need that info of course, but not every minute. |
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| 08:49.51 | samugc47 | On xfce channel people say me to ask debian because is a know bug and there are a patch |
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| 08:50.08 | samugc47 | but i can't fint it |
| 08:50.15 | raddy | Can Pick Up and From address be different in a USPS shipment ? |
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| 08:52.44 | skilz | poeticrpm, what command? sudo mount -a /media/Widows ? |
| 08:53.19 | skilz | It works |
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| 08:55.48 | poeticrpm | skilz, for future reference, you should only need: sudo mount -a |
| 08:55.57 | poeticrpm | -a stands for all in fstab |
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| 09:00.44 | Aias | hi. i'm new to debian. i've come from arch. lsmod returns nothing. any hints? cat /proc/modules also returns nothing |
| 09:01.11 | Aias | i'd like to check if i have the fuse module loaded |
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| 09:02.37 | poeticrpm | Aias, so you are booted into Debian and lsmod returns nothing? |
| 09:02.56 | Aias | wel, actually, it's a VPS hosted by ramnode |
| 09:03.01 | Aias | i have root |
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| 09:03.36 | poeticrpm | no_gravity, I would suggest trying another power manager or one of many battery level indicators. Preferably one that is configurable |
| 09:04.01 | poeticrpm | Aias, to be honest, I have no idea what a VPS or ramnode is, so i probably cant help you |
| 09:04.12 | Aias | oh xD |
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| 09:04.26 | poeticrpm | I work off the assumption is locally at the system :P |
| 09:04.27 | Aias | ramnode is just one of many companies that provide Virtual Private Servers |
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| 09:04.37 | poeticrpm | oh |
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| 09:05.01 | SynrGy | the issue is simply whether it's Debian or not |
| 09:05.03 | poeticrpm | can you get any other output from the system? |
| 09:05.24 | SynrGy | VPS providers often use their own heavily-modded base images |
| 09:05.25 | Aias | i'm ssh'd in, and elevated to root |
| 09:05.41 | SynrGy | essentially, giving you a Debian derivative. and we can't know what's in that :( |
| 09:05.53 | Aias | yes i noticed the kernel is still at 2.6.32 |
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| 09:06.14 | Aias | that's way behind my arch, which is on 3.14 |
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| 09:06.20 | SynrGy | ,kernels |
| 09:06.21 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.15-trunk-686-pae (3.15.1-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.7-1); jessie: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.7-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 09:06.40 | SynrGy | Aias: squeeze? |
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| 09:06.48 | Aias | yes :) |
| 09:06.52 | SynrGy | bleh |
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| 09:07.08 | Aias | like i said it's my first time to debian |
| 09:07.13 | mniip | Is there a file that is a concatenation of all trusted ssl certs, somewhere in debian? |
| 09:07.31 | jeanez | i doubt!! |
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| 09:07.48 | mniip | I mean, there is /etc/ca-certificates.conf and /usr/share/ca-certificates/ but, for instance, python needs one file |
| 09:07.54 | Aias | i can do most other things i've tried. i can change hostname and root pass, start and stop services, use apt-get |
| 09:07.59 | colo-work | mniip, check /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt |
| 09:08.04 | SynrGy | Aias: sounds like whatever virtual environment you're in isolates you from those details |
| 09:08.11 | colo-work | it's _probably_ what you really mean/are looking for |
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| 09:08.16 | mniip | colo-work, thanks! that seems to be it |
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| 09:09.42 | Nephro | How do I use documentation provided in *-doc packages? |
| 09:10.22 | SynrGy | Aias: check /proc/filesystems |
| 09:10.45 | SynrGy | Aias: should include fuse, fusectl |
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| 09:11.04 | SynrGy | Aias: also, you should have a /dev/fuse |
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| 09:11.43 | SynrGy | oh, also, /proc/filesystems should include fuseblk |
| 09:12.15 | Aias | ah. /proc/filesystems contains fuse and fusectl, though they are prefixed with 'nodev'. there is no fuseblk there, and no fuse in /dev |
| 09:12.39 | Aias | perhaps i'll need to change up the OS again.. |
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| 09:13.02 | SynrGy | Aias: tbh, i don't know how it was in squeeze. it's rather old |
| 09:13.46 | vak0160 | but squeeze got LTS |
| 09:14.02 | SynrGy | Aias: all nodev means is it doesn't require a block device to be mounted |
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| 09:14.21 | some-cowbell | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.36 | SynrGy | Nephro: read it? :) |
| 09:14.54 | SynrGy | Nephro: typically provided in /usr/share/doc/whatever (use dpkg -L packagename to find out where) |
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| 09:15.28 | Yukikaze | vak0160: all that LTS means is they will provide security updates for people that can't/won't update to something more modern |
| 09:15.28 | SynrGy | vak0160: so? |
| 09:15.51 | SynrGy | and has nothing to do with it being so old i don't remember it anymore |
| 09:16.17 | vak0160 | some people just attracted with LTS postfix |
| 09:16.33 | SynrGy | i don't think this is one of those cases. |
| 09:17.42 | Aias | i'm going to try another OS. i can't even lsblk :/ |
| 09:17.57 | SynrGy | Aias: or another VPS provider? |
| 09:18.06 | Aias | or fdisk.. |
| 09:18.09 | SynrGy | Aias: if you're new to debian, start with wheezy |
| 09:18.25 | Aias | :) i'll try it on one of my own machines |
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| 09:18.37 | some-cowbell | sounds like a good call |
| 09:18.41 | Aias | i already downloaded the 20gbs of install dvds :o |
| 09:18.42 | SynrGy | yep |
| 09:18.45 | Yukikaze | Aias: no problems here https://i.lolicon.eu/1403774352.png |
| 09:18.49 | SynrGy | oh, wow. you didn't have to do that |
| 09:18.56 | some-cowbell | oh geez, you didn't have to do that |
| 09:18.59 | Aias | probable not lol |
| 09:19.01 | Aias | but wth |
| 09:19.06 | SynrGy | just the netinst |
| 09:19.25 | some-cowbell | maybe 150 mb |
| 09:19.26 | vak0160 | 20gbs of squeeze >_> |
| 09:20.17 | SynrGy | vak0160: not following you. he said squeeze was on his VPS. i assume the 20G is of wheezy |
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| 09:20.36 | some-cowbell | now that you have all that, it's not horrible... it's just that someone gonna pay for that bandwidth*time... on both sides... |
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| 09:20.59 | Aias | SynrGy: yes, 20gbs of wheezy |
| 09:21.04 | vak0160 | SynrGy: I'm rather slow today |
| 09:21.26 | Aias | some-cowbell: i dl the whole thing over a SIM card :P |
| 09:21.28 | SynrGy | !coffee vak0160 |
| 09:21.28 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of hippy-blend Colombian for vak0160, courtesy of synrgy |
| 09:21.35 | Aias | was testing the mobile networks :) |
| 09:21.39 | vak0160 | SynrGy: thanks |
| 09:21.43 | Aias | anyway |
| 09:21.48 | Aias | thank you for your help guys |
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| 09:21.56 | some-cowbell | like a microsd card? |
| 09:22.01 | Lalloso | hello |
| 09:22.02 | Aias | Yukikaze: are you using a VPS? |
| 09:22.04 | SynrGy | Aias: double wow. got unlimited data? |
| 09:22.10 | Yukikaze | yes |
| 09:22.12 | Aias | some-cowbell: no, a subscriber identity module |
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| 09:22.24 | Yukikaze | in KVM |
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| 09:22.33 | Lalloso | can someome confirm that this is correct apache2ctl status behaviour? http://paste.debian.net/106808/ |
| 09:22.41 | some-cowbell | never knew those things were 20g :) |
| 09:22.48 | no_gravity | poeticrpm: how would you go about trying another power manager / battery indicator? what do i have to type in the terminal, or where do i have to click? |
| 09:23.03 | vak0160 | some-cowbell: i think its more than that |
| 09:23.18 | SynrGy | some-cowbell: 20th generation? ;) anyway, we veer OT :p |
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| 09:23.35 | poeticrpm | no_gravity: try installing another one using apt. So say: sudo apt-get install xfce4-power-manager |
| 09:23.47 | poeticrpm | disclaimer, I dont use one so Im not sure thats what its called |
| 09:24.00 | poeticrpm | thats what it is on arch, let me look for debian |
| 09:24.08 | vak0160 | some-cowbell: ah, for jigdo its more than 20gbs ;) |
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| 09:24.41 | some-cowbell | last comment, Aias: next time you're thinking of downloading debian... come here first and ask someone to talk you out of it |
| 09:24.47 | raddy | Can Pick Up and From address be different in a USPS shipment ? |
| 09:25.17 | poeticrpm | yeah, its xfce4-power-manager on debian as well |
| 09:25.24 | some-cowbell | probably a question for usps :) |
| 09:25.27 | SynrGy | Lalloso: maybe you need to follow its advice? |
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| 09:25.59 | raddy | some-cowbell : usps don't offer chat faciliity |
| 09:26.05 | Lalloso | yeah no problem, it just sounded a bit strange to me |
| 09:26.15 | nzerob | While using ssh, has it ever happened to you that you executed some bad command on your computer rather than remote host? |
| 09:26.24 | SynrGy | Lalloso: e.g. lynx provides www-browser |
| 09:26.53 | some-cowbell | raddy, oh, I get it! and we do! |
| 09:27.21 | Aias | nzerob: i've made the mistake, but it's never been too bad |
| 09:27.33 | Lalloso | ok didn't know that I had to install lynx to get the status of the web server but it could make sense |
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| 09:27.41 | raddy | some-cowbell : just kidding, i am from a different country and different timezone, and i feel this to be an easy answer |
| 09:28.01 | SynrGy | Lalloso: just have a look inside /usr/sbin/apache2ctl ... it's just shell script. specifically: http://paste.debian.net/106809/ |
| 09:28.08 | Aias | nzerob: i now colour my consoles to make the difference obvious |
| 09:28.51 | SynrGy | Lalloso: normally installing apache would install this automatically. you must have installed it strangely (maybe with recommends disabled?) |
| 09:28.52 | some-cowbell | Aias, hmm, maybe you had a reason to get all of that stuff... ok... I'd like to see you pass those images around |
| 09:29.17 | SynrGy | Lalloso: disabling recommends completely will lead to all kinds of strangeness |
| 09:29.24 | Aias | my reason was primarily to test the mobile network here in UK |
| 09:29.24 | Yukikaze | nzerob: I've only ever done it the other way around and "pkill -u myuser" on the server and not my desktop |
| 09:29.26 | Yukikaze | :( |
| 09:29.27 | SynrGy | Lalloso: consider only disabling it selectively |
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| 09:29.46 | Lalloso | apt-get install apache2 |
| 09:29.48 | Aias | some-cowbell: and to test how unlimited their unlimited data plan is ;) |
| 09:29.50 | some-cowbell | Aias, are you part of a linux user group in your area? |
| 09:30.18 | Aias | some friends have already taken copies to their USB HDDs |
| 09:30.31 | Lalloso | SynrGy: http://paste.debian.net/106811/ |
| 09:30.33 | SynrGy | Lalloso: hmph. my assumption was wrong. apache2 only Suggests: www-browser |
| 09:30.37 | Aias | but i don't know that they use them yet |
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| 09:31.00 | Aias | some-cowbell: do you work for an ISP? xD |
| 09:31.01 | Lalloso | ah okay, in fact I did not change any apt-get settings I think |
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| 09:31.15 | SynrGy | Lalloso: i guess apache2ctl is not considered essential? :) |
| 09:31.33 | Lalloso | lol ok |
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| 09:32.03 | Aias | some-cowbell: 20gbs is small potatoes here. my friend just got fibre and he's been dl at 5mb/s for past 2 weeks lol |
| 09:32.03 | some-cowbell | Aias, no... I just wince when I hear that, because sometimes the people who volunteer to be mirrors get large bills which is why I say: chill! |
| 09:32.13 | Aias | some-cowbell: oh i see |
| 09:32.20 | Lalloso | however the manual is somehow unconsistent |
| 09:32.30 | nzerob | I almost deleted several gigabytes of my data-sniffing collection after lrz crashed somehow on the remote host. |
| 09:32.42 | some-cowbell | Aias, the issue is -someone- gonna pay the bandwidth bill |
| 09:32.54 | Lalloso | if you look at man apache2ctl status flag vs fullstatus flag |
| 09:33.03 | Lalloso | one would assume apache2ctl status should just work :D |
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| 09:33.28 | Aias | some-cowbell: well, i guess if you make a mirror but don't packet shape, or regulate traffic... |
| 09:33.29 | some-cowbell | Aias, and, the really great thing is you were able to offer the images to your friends |
| 09:33.33 | Yukikaze | some-cowbell: all my servers are unmetered bandwidth :> |
| 09:33.49 | Aias | some-cowbell: yes :) at least 4 copies have been made |
| 09:34.00 | Aias | perhaps more from those |
| 09:34.00 | SynrGy | Lalloso: ah. only 'status' and 'fullstatus' require it |
| 09:34.05 | SynrGy | so yeah |
| 09:34.16 | SynrGy | shrugs |
| 09:34.45 | Lalloso | eh eheh |
| 09:35.23 | SynrGy | Lalloso: see /etc/init.d/apache2 which doesn't seem to use apache2ctl for 'status' |
| 09:35.29 | SynrGy | Lalloso: i guess this is why |
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| 09:36.00 | SynrGy | if you use the init script instead of apache2ctl, it uses apache2ctl for all the other things. |
| 09:36.23 | some-cowbell | Aias, so just for next time... consider netinstall images :) there's another reason why that's better: it's that many times, mirrors of large images (like the 20g) are not also package mirrors, which there are more of, and something about that makes them cheaper |
| 09:37.06 | some-cowbell | the netinst images are still images, but they're mostly under 1/4 g |
| 09:37.12 | Lalloso | what an inconsinstency :) |
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| 09:37.46 | vak0160 | some-cowbell: but u can't distribute it to poor people ;p |
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| 09:38.21 | SynrGy | Aias: another reason to not amass huge mirrors of the whole DVD set is they don't tend to age well ... |
| 09:38.36 | some-cowbell | vak0160: you mean it would make more sense to give the 20g worth of images to the poor? |
| 09:39.12 | some-cowbell | because the poor wouldn't have good bw? |
| 09:39.15 | SynrGy | it's not a horrible thing you did. but in general, using the latest netinst for the current point release is the best in terms of both bandwidth conservation and being up-to-date |
| 09:39.22 | vak0160 | some-cowbell: like me ;p |
| 09:39.35 | vak0160 | nah just kidding |
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| 09:40.42 | SynrGy | (i.e. if people have gone to the bother of burning a huge set of DVDs, they'll be disinclined to use anything more up-to-date to install again some months down the road due to the hassle of obtaining a new set) |
| 09:41.09 | some-cowbell | supposedly then they could just dist-upgrade |
| 09:41.12 | vak0160 | having at least 1st DVD is good enough as backup if your my PC is broken and I don't any alternative to install debian |
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| 09:41.32 | SynrGy | some-cowbell: but experience all the old bugs in the old point release during install :p |
| 09:42.13 | some-cowbell | is 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, 7.4, 7.5 all wheezy? |
| 09:42.23 | vak0160 | yes |
| 09:42.48 | some-cowbell | they got rid of the middle number |
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| 09:55.58 | pbunny | anybody had problems with ath9k ? |
| 09:56.06 | pbunny | its atheros 9271 or something |
| 09:56.28 | pbunny | kernel can successfully recognize it, i can see wifi networks with perfect signal |
| 09:56.33 | poeticrpm | pbunny, I dont have it, but ive seen more people with issues on ath9k than any other driver |
| 09:56.42 | pbunny | however when i try to connect it gets stuck on DHCP stage |
| 09:56.52 | SynrGy | pbunny: ath9k covers a broad range of chips ... what pciid? |
| 09:57.02 | pbunny | i'm not by that pc atm |
| 09:57.05 | SynrGy | pbunny: lspci -nn | grep -i network |
| 09:57.06 | pbunny | SynrGy: 9271 |
| 09:57.17 | SynrGy | that's not a pciid ... |
| 09:57.23 | poeticrpm | pbunny: what type of network? Can you try to manually run dhcpcd or dhclient and tell us what it says? |
| 09:57.29 | pbunny | SynrGy: thats model |
| 09:57.31 | SynrGy | it's the 8 digits in square brackets at the end of the line of output i asked for |
| 09:57.42 | pbunny | poeticrpm: if i run dhclient i get the same - its just hanging |
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| 09:58.18 | pbunny | when i connect to it via gnome builtin widget and check /var/log/messages - i saw line like "dhcp status changed frmo stomething to preinit..." |
| 09:58.21 | pbunny | and its stuck on that line |
| 09:58.24 | pbunny | then its disconnected |
| 09:58.32 | pbunny | if i enter wrong passphrase, it disconnects at once |
| 09:58.38 | pbunny | so i assume it authenticates successfully |
| 09:58.43 | SynrGy | pbunny: model strings are not consistent from one kernel release to the next and don't uniquely identify the chip. please give the pciid with the command i gave you |
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| 09:58.48 | pbunny | if i enter static ip (i know the correct one), i can't ping gateway |
| 09:59.08 | pbunny | however, if i run dhcpcd (instead of dhclient), it outputs DHCPOFFER from correct gateway |
| 09:59.18 | pbunny | however, it then follows with "interface is DISABLED" lines |
| 09:59.23 | pbunny | and never completes |
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| 09:59.39 | pbunny | SynrGy: i can do that only when i'm on that pc |
| 09:59.49 | SynrGy | and this is a problem because ...? |
| 09:59.59 | pbunny | because its 15km away frmo me atm |
| 10:00.05 | SynrGy | ah. "i'm not by that pc atm". missed that point |
| 10:00.09 | poeticrpm | pbunny: we could definitely use what SynrGy asked for... |
| 10:00.25 | pbunny | also, this laptop has build-in wifi which works with iwlwifi driver |
| 10:00.35 | pbunny | it recognizes and connects to network successfully |
| 10:00.36 | poeticrpm | how are you instigating dhcpcd if you arent at the pc? |
| 10:00.46 | pbunny | however, i notice random spikes when pings to 8.8.8.8 go up to 1000 and higher for no reason |
| 10:00.59 | SynrGy | pbunny: my research indicates that's not ath9k proper. that's ath9k_htc which is a whole different driver. |
| 10:01.02 | pbunny | and signal strength is only 3 of 5 (5 of 5 on ath9k) |
| 10:01.07 | pbunny | SynrGy: yes |
| 10:01.19 | pbunny | there's ath, ath9k_htc and 2 more modules loaded |
| 10:01.20 | SynrGy | that may not have been in great shape in wheezy |
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| 10:01.25 | SynrGy | you should consider using a kernel backport |
| 10:01.27 | pbunny | i'm on jessie atm |
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| 10:01.31 | SynrGy | i see. |
| 10:01.34 | pbunny | however i have custom-compiled kernel (3.15.x) |
| 10:01.42 | SynrGy | then #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net is where we support jessie. |
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| 10:01.58 | pbunny | well kernel is not from jessie anyway |
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| 10:02.19 | SynrGy | and we would ask you to test it on a stock debian kernel |
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| 10:02.33 | SynrGy | and it would be best to actually be with the machine when you ask your questions :) |
| 10:02.39 | pbunny | SynrGy: stock is 3.14.x , mine is 3.15.x |
| 10:02.47 | pbunny | not much difference probably |
| 10:02.57 | pbunny | unless there are ath9k_htc-specific patches |
| 10:03.12 | SynrGy | pbunny: doesn't matter if it's "not much" difference. we'd ask you to eliminate that variable to consider if there's a debian-specific bug |
| 10:03.29 | SynrGy | as we support debian alone ... |
| 10:03.33 | pbunny | ok i will check it at the evening |
| 10:03.44 | SynrGy | pbunny: which wireless manager? |
| 10:04.01 | SynrGy | pbunny: if you're using wicd, it's pretty horrible. try network-manager instead. |
| 10:04.37 | pbunny | SynrGy: gnome3's |
| 10:04.41 | pbunny | also tried wicd |
| 10:04.45 | SynrGy | ok. that's NM, so we're good there |
| 10:04.55 | SynrGy | ah ... did you? are you sure you cleaned up afterwards? |
| 10:05.01 | pbunny | yes, i removed it |
| 10:05.12 | SynrGy | purged? |
| 10:05.14 | vak0160 | SynrGy: I thought people said nm is horrible and should use wicd ? |
| 10:05.15 | pbunny | no |
| 10:05.17 | pbunny | apt-get remove wicd |
| 10:05.23 | SynrGy | vak0160: several years ago, yes |
| 10:05.42 | vak0160 | SynrGy: old article then, good info |
| 10:05.59 | SynrGy | vak0160: it was the leading wireless manager for only a short period of time, and that was only due to the debian version of NM temporarily lagging behind upstream for a bit |
| 10:06.00 | babilen | vak0160: wicd was abandoned some time ago and even after its resurrection development slowed considerably |
| 10:06.51 | vak0160 | I almost tempted to us wicd, glad I didn't |
| 10:06.55 | vak0160 | use* |
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| 10:07.38 | SynrGy | and it claimed to be "light". in the debian-eeepc project we measured it. it actually had a larger memory footprint. it pulss in a whole bunch of python gui baggage. |
| 10:07.45 | SynrGy | pulls* |
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| 10:09.10 | SynrGy | pbunny: so i would purge it in case it left behind scripts in /etc that are messing with NM |
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| 10:10.06 | SynrGy | pbunny: i've seen people who have tried both and didn't properly get rid of wicd end up with broken wifi. purging everything and installing fresh solved it. |
| 10:10.37 | SynrGy | (details are hazy. again, this is from years ago experience in the eeepc project) |
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| 10:14.42 | pbunny | SynrGy: i will try |
| 10:14.49 | pbunny | btw, is it safe to keep both wifi cards enabled? |
| 10:14.49 | SynrGy | ok. good luck |
| 10:14.59 | SynrGy | "safe"? sure. |
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| 10:15.03 | pbunny | so i could access internet on iwlwifi while configuring ath9k |
| 10:15.32 | pbunny | oh, btw, is it possible to use both wifi cards for single connection? |
| 10:15.37 | pbunny | for stronger signal etc |
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| 10:17.31 | poeticrpm | SynrGy, lol :P |
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| 10:18.20 | poeticrpm | pbunny: probably, but why would you? The bottleneck will be the speed of your ISP. Your wireless card is prolly capable of 100mbps |
| 10:18.28 | poeticrpm | or your router |
| 10:18.55 | SynrGy | also, the complexity of your network configuration probably means you don't want to automatically manage the wireless connection with NM which probably doesn't address this use case :p |
| 10:19.12 | SynrGy | i.e. the wireless manager may actively fight against you doing it :p |
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| 10:19.32 | poeticrpm | yeah |
| 10:20.12 | poeticrpm | hed have to do some hackery for that. Im not even sure dhcpcd or dhclient would support that, because wouldnt he need a dhcp release for both wireless cards? |
| 10:20.22 | SynrGy | once upon a time i read about ethernet bonding ... |
| 10:20.41 | SynrGy | seemed like a whole lot of hassle, so never played wtih it |
| 10:20.44 | SynrGy | witH* |
| 10:21.08 | poeticrpm | not familiar with that. I figure my wireless or ethernet is good enough |
| 10:21.33 | SynrGy | yeap. and in any case, modern multi-channel wifi cards already do that for you |
| 10:21.39 | pbunny | anybody having horrible performance with iwlwifi ? |
| 10:22.17 | poeticrpm | pbunny, prolly depends again on the wireless card. Im using iwlwifi and my performance is great |
| 10:22.17 | pbunny | pings to 8.8.8.8 start frmo 40ms (after system boot), then start to jump between 80 and 200ms, occasionally going up to 1000ms |
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| 10:22.33 | pbunny | sometimes connection is lost altogether (so nm reconnects to it) |
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| 10:23.29 | poeticrpm | pbunny: isnt that DNS related? |
| 10:23.29 | pbunny | poeticrpm: its with iwlmvm |
| 10:23.34 | pbunny | poeticrpm: um, no |
| 10:23.40 | pbunny | same problem exist for any hosts |
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| 10:23.53 | pbunny | and we were even unable to play SMAC by multiplayer because of lags |
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| 10:24.03 | poeticrpm | I guess im not following you |
| 10:24.25 | pbunny | also, i have problem with bumblebee |
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| 10:24.32 | poeticrpm | I get 274-320ms to 8.8.8.8 on my ethernet card |
| 10:24.41 | pbunny | poeticrpm: well i typically have 40ms |
| 10:24.51 | pbunny | e.g. if i use wired connection to router |
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| 10:25.04 | poeticrpm | i see |
| 10:25.18 | pbunny | anybody using bumblebee-nvidia ? |
| 10:25.23 | poeticrpm | I am |
| 10:25.34 | pbunny | i get about 8000FPS in glxgears with 'intel' card |
| 10:25.40 | pbunny | and about 900FPS with optirun or primusrun |
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| 10:25.46 | pbunny | this is weird |
| 10:25.57 | pbunny | its geforce 730m |
| 10:26.02 | pbunny | shouldn't it be faster? |
| 10:26.07 | pbunny | or is it bumblebee bug |
| 10:26.19 | pbunny | also, in its log i see lines about i915_drm and stuff |
| 10:26.28 | pbunny | like it's trying to load glx for i915 |
| 10:26.32 | poeticrpm | cant help you there. I have a crappy nvidia 5400 so.. |
| 10:26.55 | poeticrpm | its not a whole lot better than the intel card |
| 10:26.58 | pbunny | is optimus support in binary driver any good yet? |
| 10:27.15 | pbunny | or may FPS be capped by something? |
| 10:27.19 | pbunny | e.g. bumblebee or nvidia driver |
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| 10:27.32 | poeticrpm | not sure on that. I just use bumblebee for team fortress, though I havent played in months |
| 10:27.53 | poeticrpm | FPS can be capped by vsync, but usually that results in 60fps |
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| 10:28.57 | mms_ | I am using dhclient wlan0 and its getting ip but no dns and gw |
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| 10:29.38 | SynrGy | !tell pbunny about anybody |
| 10:29.57 | poeticrpm | mms_: firewall? |
| 10:30.08 | poeticrpm | mms_: port 53 |
| 10:30.25 | poeticrpm | mms_: also, what is in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:30.45 | SynrGy | pbunny: also, a lot of your questions seem to relate to jessie. as i've said before, #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net supports that. |
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| 10:31.38 | mms_ | poeticrpm: no firewall and in resolve.conf I have 198.168.1.1 |
| 10:31.41 | mms_ | nameserver |
| 10:31.44 | mms_ | should I remove that ? |
| 10:32.03 | SynrGy | typically resolv.conf gets written automatically |
| 10:32.06 | mms_ | I am connecting to open internet captive portal |
| 10:32.14 | poeticrpm | no that should be fine |
| 10:32.18 | mms_ | ok |
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| 10:32.27 | SynrGy | so manual changes to that aren't needed if you have automatic ip configuration |
| 10:32.28 | poeticrpm | mms_: I dont even know what an open internet captive portal is |
| 10:32.39 | pbunny | any good opengl benchmark? |
| 10:32.42 | poeticrpm | SynrGy, true |
| 10:32.44 | pbunny | that doesn't produce thousands of fps |
| 10:32.45 | pbunny | something complex |
| 10:32.56 | pbunny | glmark2 is better but still too simple |
| 10:32.59 | mms_ | poeticrpm: basically wifi where you show connecting but you need to login using web browser before getting actually connectivity |
| 10:33.01 | poeticrpm | pbunny, no idea dude |
| 10:33.06 | SynrGy | poeticrpm: unencrypted wifi, but your routing is redirected until you authenticate via the web |
| 10:33.34 | poeticrpm | ahh i see |
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| 10:33.57 | SynrGy | used at, e.g. coffee shops, fast food, etc. |
| 10:34.04 | poeticrpm | yeah |
| 10:34.15 | poeticrpm | I wasnt familiar with the terminology |
| 10:35.14 | poeticrpm | mms_: im currently drawing a blank. what happen if you try to ping something like an opendns server or google? |
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| 10:35.39 | poeticrpm | well, youd need a google IP. Dug |
| 10:35.42 | poeticrpm | Duh* |
| 10:35.46 | poeticrpm | dumb me |
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| 10:36.16 | mms_ | poeticrpm: does not ping |
| 10:36.37 | poeticrpm | yeah, because you have no dns. hold on |
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| 10:36.51 | talin | does debian allow SSH as root by default?! |
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| 10:36.58 | SynrGy | mms_: in such a case i usually ask my immediate neighbours in the shop who appear to have devices online if they are managing to get connected. |
| 10:37.09 | SynrGy | mms_: to figure out if it's "just me" or the shop's portal is down |
| 10:37.35 | mms_ | well I have windows laptop and it works fine |
| 10:37.37 | SynrGy | if the latter, you can sometimes get staff to just reboot the AP to fix it |
| 10:37.40 | SynrGy | k |
| 10:37.48 | poeticrpm | mms_: what if you try to open http://74.125.224.72/ |
| 10:37.49 | mms_ | its debian issue also debain can connect fine to mifi |
| 10:37.54 | mms_ | but not to open internet captive |
| 10:38.07 | mms_ | I tried the ping to google.com ip |
| 10:38.09 | mms_ | it failed |
| 10:38.21 | SynrGy | that begs the question, how is your wifi configured? via network-manager? |
| 10:38.47 | SynrGy | using NM, these open captive portals "just work" for me |
| 10:38.57 | mms_ | I tried both using wicd network manager where all success cases work as I mentioned but for openwifi it failed to fetch ip |
| 10:39.01 | SynrGy | using some other method, i dunno |
| 10:39.11 | SynrGy | ugggh. you missed my earlier rant against wicd? |
| 10:39.18 | poeticrpm | SynrGy: same, and wicd works for me on them as well |
| 10:39.19 | mms_ | so I tried manual way of iwconfig for openwifi and it with dhclient gets ip but fails to get dna dn gw |
| 10:39.22 | SynrGy | it's trash. ditch it. |
| 10:39.41 | SynrGy | unmaintained, breaks in important use cases. fails on its claim to be "lighter" than NM |
| 10:39.48 | mms_ | well for now its connecting fine to all other interfaces wired and wireless |
| 10:40.02 | SynrGy | it's still trash, and i've lost interest in helping further :P |
| 10:40.09 | mms_ | I switched to it only for wifi |
| 10:40.13 | mms_ | and gui |
| 10:40.20 | SynrGy | it has a horribe gui |
| 10:40.25 | SynrGy | horrible* |
| 10:40.36 | mms_ | well I first need to get wifi to work and then can find other alternatives |
| 10:40.40 | poeticrpm | mms_: you have debian. I would suggest trying network manager. You can remove it if you dont want to keep it |
| 10:40.44 | SynrGy | that's ass-backwards |
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| 10:40.52 | poeticrpm | yeah that sucks |
| 10:40.55 | mms_ | I tired it and it was not getting wifi working |
| 10:40.59 | talin | does debian allow SSH as root by default? does anyone know? |
| 10:41.06 | SynrGy | first get it to work using NM. then if you find running NM objectionable, look for alternatives. |
| 10:41.07 | blogger | !chk 1 1 11 |
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| 10:41.31 | mms_ | nm works with wired fine but for wireless it did not so I went to wicd |
| 10:41.42 | poeticrpm | mms_: out of curiousity, have you tried to boot something like an Xubuntu livecd or something just to see if it works on that? |
| 10:42.03 | mms_ | poeticrpm: wifi works fine for other wifi n/w |
| 10:42.04 | poeticrpm | I know you said windows works |
| 10:42.11 | mms_ | only this openwifi is not working |
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| 10:42.23 | mms_ | on debian wifi works with non-open-wifi |
| 10:42.35 | poeticrpm | yet you can boot to windows and this open wifi works>? |
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| 10:42.55 | mms_ | yes |
| 10:43.05 | mms_ | I am chatting using it |
| 10:44.04 | poeticrpm | hrmm |
| 10:44.34 | poeticrpm | i think this has trumped my knowledge level |
| 10:44.36 | poeticrpm | :( |
| 10:45.23 | poeticrpm | Im trying to understand how youd get a dhcp release but have no dns. |
| 10:45.32 | SynrGy | NM is default in debian, and is the preferred "just works" method for dealing with all of the various random wifi configurations out there ... if you had an issue with it, i'd recommend going back to it (making sure you *purge* wicd and undo any manual configuration) and debug your issues with it. |
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| 10:46.16 | SynrGy | for example, do you know that if you have a wifi stanza in /etc/network/interfaces, NM will not touch your wireless? |
| 10:46.45 | poeticrpm | SynrGy, I use NM on Arch and Debian, and it basically just works. Im using wicd on Gentoo and it has worked well, but im considering the switch. Thing is, with gentoo, I hate taking on all the extra packages to have compiling issues later :P |
| 10:47.03 | SynrGy | poeticrpm: not my problem? ;) |
| 10:47.07 | poeticrpm | haha |
| 10:47.13 | poeticrpm | d!ck :P |
| 10:47.16 | SynrGy | sorry |
| 10:47.50 | poeticrpm | I will admit Ive had more issues with wicd than NM |
| 10:47.54 | poeticrpm | in the past |
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| 10:48.13 | SynrGy | mms_: 9 out of 10 newbie issues with getting NM to work are simply that they have wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces, causing NM to skip that interface. |
| 10:48.25 | talin | i have a fairly new debian 7.0 install. i can ssh into it with the user "root". does that mean that it has been compromised, or is this some insane default that debian uses? |
| 10:48.53 | SynrGy | the latter. corrected in a later release. |
| 10:49.01 | SynrGy | why 7.0? |
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| 10:49.27 | Shadow_7 | it's pretty easy really if your dhcp gets the routers IP and it has no dns enabled. Or just block port 53. |
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| 10:49.53 | SynrGy | talin: i'm not sure if a later point release of wheezy fixes this, or if that is only introduced in jessie. |
| 10:50.01 | SynrGy | but i do remember it is fixed |
| 10:50.26 | poeticrpm | Shadow_7, right, but that same router works on Windows, which suggests port 53 isnt blocked and that dns is enabled |
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| 10:51.05 | Shadow_7 | Depends on what's installed to. As in /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/resolvconf that's a link to other things |
| 10:51.23 | poeticrpm | yeah |
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| 10:51.53 | poeticrpm | Thats why SynrGy is suggesting NM. At least then we know whats happening |
| 10:51.56 | talin | SynrGy: aah, excellent. phew, was worried that this was intentional |
| 10:52.19 | Shadow_7 | I've never had much luck with nm or wicd. But that's with wireless where the driver blows. As in need to modprobe -r and modprobe it to reset things often. |
| 10:52.35 | poeticrpm | that sucks |
| 10:52.39 | poeticrpm | what wireless card? |
| 10:52.42 | formorer | there is nothing wrong in allowing root login via ssh and keys |
| 10:52.47 | Shadow_7 | a broadcom one ofc |
| 10:53.02 | Shadow_7 | on a 2006-ish laptop |
| 10:53.05 | poeticrpm | yuck. I had one of those years ago and it was a nightmare |
| 10:53.47 | poeticrpm | the only bummer on my system is my ethernet card doesnt support power saving. |
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| 10:53.56 | poeticrpm | which basically doesnt matter |
| 10:54.18 | talin | SynrGy: are you sure? this is from 2002: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2002/06/msg00413.html |
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| 10:56.46 | SynrGy | talin: why are you looking at 2002? |
| 10:57.17 | SynrGy | talin: how is that relevant to the current situation in 2014, i mean? |
| 10:57.30 | SynrGy | talin: and yes, it *was* intentional |
| 10:57.33 | talin | SynrGy: i googled permitrootlogin debian, and i can't find any other references to it. so if this is a bug according to you, it was also a bug in 2002 |
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| 10:57.45 | SynrGy | it wasn't a bug. it was by design |
| 10:57.53 | SynrGy | subsequently the maintainers changed their minds |
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| 10:58.29 | talin | ah, you said fix so i assumed you meant it was a bug. alright, thanks. if it gets fixed in 7.5 or something, then it's all good |
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| 10:58.45 | SynrGy | i agree that root logins via keys are fine ... |
| 10:58.56 | SynrGy | the issue i'm talking about is allowing root logins via password by default |
| 10:59.09 | SynrGy | for a long time that was default in debian and subsequently fixed |
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| 10:59.34 | jelly | auditing policies may make remote login as root undesirable |
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| 10:59.45 | SynrGy | talin: also i didn't say it was fixed in 7.5. i said i didn't know if it was fixed in 7.5 but i know for sure it's fixed in jessie |
| 10:59.53 | SynrGy | but configurable at install time or so |
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| 11:00.09 | talin | SynrGy: ah, okay |
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| 11:01.29 | SynrGy | talin: from current sid /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.templates: http://paste.debian.net/106821/ |
| 11:01.30 | arven | how can I list all available values for video=? kernel command line? |
| 11:02.55 | talin | SynrGy: excellent. thanks |
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| 11:03.38 | SynrGy | talin: since it's something that has only mild security implications (vulnerable by brute-force dictionary attack) i think it wouldn't be fixed in a wheezy point release |
| 11:03.51 | SynrGy | talin: especially since there's a known simple workaround: manually do the configuration |
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| 11:05.31 | mms_ | I have auto wlan0 in interfaces file |
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| 11:05.46 | debirant | After a clean install of debian, i try startx but get fatal error no screens found. Ideas? |
| 11:05.50 | SynrGy | mms_: yeah, scrap that. that would prevent NM from even looking at it |
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| 11:06.17 | SynrGy | mms_: along with any 'inet' stanza you might also have |
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| 11:08.09 | debirant | my graphics adapter is NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M |
| 11:08.42 | debirant | I have tried installing the drivers, but still; no screens found |
| 11:09.00 | mms_ | its already commented |
| 11:09.18 | mms_ | but still seems some issue |
| 11:09.36 | SynrGy | mms_: ok. so if you purge wicd and have network-manager-gnome installed and autostarted on login, what do you see when you click on the nm-client icon? |
| 11:09.37 | pbunny | debirant: optimus? |
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| 11:09.52 | mms_ | b43 module I have for my hp mini 1030nr |
| 11:10.13 | mms_ | wait let me get internet connectivity to do that |
| 11:10.17 | SynrGy | mms_: available wifi networks should show up under "Wi-Fi Networks" heading |
| 11:10.22 | SynrGy | k |
| 11:10.36 | debirant | pbunny: actually I don't know. Is there a simple way to figure that out? |
| 11:11.05 | SynrGy | debirant: lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 11:11.13 | pbunny | debirant: does your pc have 2 gpus? |
| 11:11.14 | SynrGy | debirant: on dual-gpu systems, two lines show |
| 11:11.16 | pbunny | e.g. intel and nvidia? |
| 11:11.24 | pbunny | i have nvidia 730m with optimus |
| 11:11.26 | debirant | checking... |
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| 11:11.39 | pbunny | debirant: if it's optimus, look into bumblebee package |
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| 11:11.52 | SynrGy | specifically probably bumblebee-nvidia |
| 11:12.00 | pbunny | it's about running everything on "intel" gpu and enable nvidia manually by running optirun <app> or primusrun <app> |
| 11:12.13 | SynrGy | (bumblebee uses the free driver which may not support that new of a card) |
| 11:12.18 | pbunny | yes |
| 11:12.36 | pbunny | i wasn't able to configure bumblebee-nvidia with m730 properly yet, though |
| 11:12.39 | debirant | the command from SynrGy gave one result: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics COntroller |
| 11:12.41 | pbunny | it gives less fps than intel |
| 11:12.48 | pbunny | debirant: yeah, same as mine |
| 11:12.56 | pbunny | google optimus |
| 11:12.59 | pbunny | and bumblebee |
| 11:13.00 | SynrGy | debirant: probably my command is at fault |
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| 11:13.26 | SynrGy | debirant: the other card probably has an ident string as a "3D controller" or some such |
| 11:13.31 | debirant | if I skip the grep part |
| 11:13.51 | debirant | then i also can find: 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device |
| 11:13.52 | SynrGy | so egrep -i '(vga|3d)' |
| 11:13.54 | SynrGy | yeah |
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| 11:14.16 | SynrGy | forgot about that :) |
| 11:14.32 | debirant | so does this still mean optimus? |
| 11:14.38 | SynrGy | yup |
| 11:15.28 | SynrGy | so, this might be a fun ride with wheezy because the intel driver support is oldish ... |
| 11:15.42 | Walex | SynrGy: you can use the backported kernel... |
| 11:15.50 | SynrGy | there is that. but that won't help with xorg |
| 11:15.59 | Walex | SynrGy: that's unfortunate :-) |
| 11:16.08 | SynrGy | whereas for the nvidia side of things there's a non-free nvidia backport for wheezy |
| 11:16.17 | SynrGy | which is why i suggested bumblebee-nvidia |
| 11:16.44 | SynrGy | you could *try* a backport kernel + bumblebee-nvidia ... |
| 11:16.53 | SynrGy | can't guarantee that would work due to old intel xorg. |
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| 11:17.05 | Walex | A possible option for the brave would be to use the SteamOS Xorg. |
| 11:17.25 | SynrGy | A possible option for the "not supported here" :) |
| 11:17.38 | SynrGy | we would disown you. probably steamos would disown you too |
| 11:17.52 | SynrGy | distro mixing screws you both ways. just don't. |
| 11:18.08 | MCMic | Hum, aptitude fails with «(mousepad:14063): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0» during configure step. Not sure why it’s trying to launch mousepad and why it would fail? |
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| 11:18.35 | SynrGy | if you want to run steamos, just run steamos. |
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| 11:19.05 | Slumlord_ | hi |
| 11:19.24 | debirant | SynrGy pbunnt Walex: thanks for your advice, I'll try to get this working :) and maybe (probably) i'll be back later |
| 11:19.26 | Shadow_7 | seems like the error is for trying to launch a gui application (as root?) |
| 11:19.41 | SynrGy | MCMic: insufficient details. which debian release? what was the aptitude command you typed? |
| 11:19.49 | debirant | pbunny * (sorry name typo) |
| 11:19.49 | MCMic | wheezy |
| 11:20.09 | SynrGy | MCMic: at paste.debian.net please provide the aptitude command and all of its output |
| 11:20.10 | MCMic | it’s an update which fails to configure «install-info» |
| 11:20.10 | Slumlord_ | installed debian 7.5.0. wheezy and after a few times of rebooting wallpaper came up with login and i could login but nothing the desktop wallpaper was up and i could move mouse but other than that nothing |
| 11:20.20 | MCMic | SynrGy: it’s not in english |
| 11:20.29 | SynrGy | !tell MCMic about localised errors |
| 11:20.38 | Shadow_7 | MCMic: which assumes that .Xauthority and DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY vars are setup. |
| 11:21.00 | SynrGy | the point is, no maintainer script should do that. sounds like a bug :p |
| 11:21.15 | Slumlord_ | any ideas what's the causing the desktop issue google was not much help |
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| 11:22.14 | SynrGy | Slumlord_: "after a few times of rebooting" ... hm? what changed between the last time you were successful and the reboot where it started to fail? |
| 11:22.27 | Shadow_7 | Slumlord_: depends on the window manager. cwm looks like you describe by design. Cntrl+Alt+F# to get to a term to get ps output might help. |
| 11:22.32 | Slumlord_ | uninstalled evolutuion |
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| 11:22.48 | SynrGy | Slumlord_: are you sure? |
| 11:22.53 | Slumlord_ | yeah |
| 11:22.56 | SynrGy | Slumlord_: i mean, are you sure that's *all* you uninstalled? :) |
| 11:23.02 | Slumlord_ | lol |
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| 11:23.06 | Slumlord_ | afaik |
| 11:23.10 | SynrGy | Slumlord_: aptitude remove evolution probably does *horrible* things |
| 11:23.20 | SynrGy | aptitude is gung-ho about autoremoving things |
| 11:23.31 | Slumlord_ | oh |
| 11:23.34 | SynrGy | evolution is a dependency of gnome ... you probably removed most of gnome |
| 11:23.54 | Slumlord_ | yeah i figured as such |
| 11:24.01 | SynrGy | so reinstall the gnome metapackage |
| 11:24.06 | SynrGy | everything should be back to normal |
| 11:24.13 | Slumlord_ | definity tried |
| 11:24.21 | Slumlord_ | definitely tried |
| 11:24.22 | SynrGy | switch to text virutal console for that |
| 11:24.26 | SynrGy | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 11:24.41 | Slumlord_ | it was a fairly new install |
| 11:24.55 | Slumlord_ | so i am just reinstalling |
| 11:24.58 | SynrGy | if you like |
| 11:24.59 | Slumlord_ | and live and learn |
| 11:25.02 | SynrGy | yep :) |
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| 11:25.24 | SynrGy | Slumlord_: and next time watch aptitude more carefully ... |
| 11:25.28 | Slumlord_ | i was able to get to command prompt but reinstalling gnome was a no go |
| 11:25.29 | SynrGy | don't blindly say "y" to removals |
| 11:25.55 | SynrGy | if the list is long and scrolls, make sure you scroll back and see exactly what it's about to do before confirming |
| 11:26.04 | Slumlord_ | oh |
| 11:26.08 | SynrGy | if it looks insane, then bail |
| 11:26.16 | Slumlord_ | yeah i was about to |
| 11:26.26 | Slumlord_ | i saw gnome stuff popup |
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| 11:26.31 | Slumlord_ | and i was like ohh oh |
| 11:26.51 | SynrGy | do not assume your computer is smarter than you. it's dumb. i can't begin to say *how* dumb :) |
| 11:27.02 | SynrGy | it will stupidly do whatever you tell it to do, even if it's insane |
| 11:27.04 | MCMic | SynrGy: http://paste.debian.net/106825/ |
| 11:27.13 | Slumlord_ | i suppose so |
| 11:27.57 | SynrGy | MCMic: hmm. that might not actually be install-info's fault, but rather something that it triggers. |
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| 11:28.25 | Slumlord_ | worst thing was i couldn't install gnome |
| 11:28.41 | Slumlord_ | looked up commands and none really worked |
| 11:28.44 | SynrGy | MCMic: let's see apt-cache policy mousepad |
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| 11:29.01 | SynrGy | Slumlord_: we would need to see the output of your failed attempt to be able to help |
| 11:29.17 | SynrGy | also, i'm vanishing in a minute, so "we" means everyone else here, not me :p |
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| 11:29.23 | Slumlord_ | the dmesg thing? |
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| 11:29.50 | SynrGy | Slumlord_: eh? no ... just the output from the apt/aptitude command |
| 11:30.03 | SynrGy | including the command itself |
| 11:30.09 | Slumlord_ | oh |
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| 11:30.57 | Slumlord_ | thank you SynrGy for your help |
| 11:31.00 | Slumlord_ | appreciate it |
| 11:31.22 | SynrGy | np |
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| 11:34.40 | SynrGy | MCMic: i wonder if that is just something misconfigured in your environment, i.e. as Shadow_7 hinted, check DISPLAY as root. is it set? if it is, unset it. also, since you shouldn't run X as root, if it is set that really begs the question "why?" |
| 11:35.23 | MCMic | ok |
| 11:35.53 | MCMic | echo $DISPLAY as root gives me 0 |
| 11:36.09 | SynrGy | hm. me too. so i don't think that's sufficient in and of itself to cause it |
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| 11:36.22 | SynrGy | what about that "apt-cache policy mousepad" output i asked for? |
| 11:36.32 | SynrGy | oops, really gotta run or i'll miss my bus to work |
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| 11:36.52 | MCMic | SynrGy: http://paste.debian.net/106830/ |
| 11:37.24 | pbunny | debirant: i'd suggest jessie, it has updated "intel" driver that works |
| 11:37.31 | MCMic | But why does it try to launch mousepad? Why not vim for instance? |
| 11:37.36 | pbunny | also you seem to have many other recent hardware |
| 11:37.56 | pbunny | i have asus zenbook ux302lg and had it barely working on wheezy, much better on jessie |
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| 11:39.09 | SynrGy | MCMic: you're mixing wheezy and jessie which is unsupported, so all bets are off. sorry |
| 11:39.24 | SynrGy | MCMic: move forward to jessie completely or else reinstall wheezy. |
| 11:39.29 | SynrGy | and next time, don't mix releases |
| 11:39.33 | SynrGy | gotta run. later |
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| 11:40.27 | MCMic | SynrGy: ??? |
| 11:40.41 | opiwan | hello is there a special room for the projekt "debian-live" ? |
| 11:40.46 | MCMic | SynrGy: the wheezy versions only is installed |
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| 11:42.47 | babilen | opiwan: You are probably looking for the #debian-live *channel* on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 11:43.04 | opiwan | oh, thank you very much. Im going there :-) |
| 11:43.11 | babilen | Have fun :) |
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| 11:43.42 | babilen | MCMic: You obviously configured both wheezy (stable) and jessie (testing) in your sources.list. A mix like that is neither recommended nor supported. |
| 11:43.52 | SynrG | MCMic: doesn't change the fact that you are mixing releases. |
| 11:44.25 | MCMic | What does this have to do with install-info trying to launch mousepad? |
| 11:44.28 | pbunny | i mixed jessie with ubuntu to some degree |
| 11:45.06 | SynrG | pbunny: please don't tell me that's what you currently run ... |
| 11:45.53 | SynrG | MCMic: it's a trigger to update its info doc |
| 11:46.15 | some-cowbell | MCMic, could be everything, nothing or anything inbetween... the point is the result can be unpredictable |
| 11:46.50 | SynrG | Read up on dpkg triggers of you must know technical details |
| 11:47.25 | MCMic | SynrG: removing mousepad would fix it then? Can I remove a package before configuring install-info? apt-get launch the configure what ever I do |
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| 11:48.16 | some-cowbell | MCMic, when did you first install this whole debian? |
| 11:48.17 | SynrG | If you remove notepad and other things (xfce meta? ) depend in it you may break your desktop |
| 11:48.28 | SynrG | Mousepad* |
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| 11:49.28 | MCMic | My desktop does not need mousepad, and it seems removing it only removes xfce-goodies which is not critical |
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| 11:51.13 | some-cowbell | is it new enough so you could consider a reinstall? if it's pretty old with the mixture configured in sources.list, -maybe- you're installing problematic versions of other things... having said that, maybe this "mixture" will only install the latest version of each package, and maybe all those come from the jessie source. |
| 11:51.33 | some-cowbell | if THAT is the case, maybe you're less mixed than people think |
| 11:51.48 | MCMic | some-cowbell: no it’s a wheezy, almost nothing from jessie |
| 11:52.22 | some-cowbell | is this "almost nothing" enumerable? |
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| 11:53.04 | some-cowbell | that is, can you produce a list of packages that are definitely from jessie? |
| 11:53.45 | some-cowbell | with the purpose of getting rid of them and then close the gate by removing the jessie source |
| 11:54.16 | MCMic | I don’t know which commands would do that |
| 11:54.41 | MCMic | and I pulled some software from jessie on purpose, but I can’t remember which |
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| 11:55.07 | skilz | Whats a good gui zip program? |
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| 11:55.27 | skilz | That handles tar, bz2, zip etc |
| 11:55.37 | MCMic | But the problem I have right now is apt-get won’t let me remove a package until this install-info is configured, is there any way to remove anyway? |
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| 11:56.53 | some-cowbell | so the reasons why this is not recommended is (1) it could actually be harmful to your installation and/or to your ability to install new packages, and (2) it |
| 11:57.09 | some-cowbell | is VERY difficult for any helper to diagnose |
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| 11:57.45 | some-cowbell | so, fair or not, it's considered unsupportable |
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| 11:58.35 | zykotick9 | MCMic: you may want to see <frankendebian> and <ssb>, binary mixing of debian-tracks leads to tears... |
| 11:58.39 | some-cowbell | I guess install-info is for copying info-page files? |
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| 11:59.47 | SynrG | See the man page? |
| 11:59.56 | MCMic | Solution found there: http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=6079251 |
| 12:00.05 | MCMic | worked |
| 12:00.46 | some-cowbell | ok, good. Now you need to try to get rid of the jessie stuff |
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| 12:01.43 | some-cowbell | (this is another thing that is like frankendebian, because it might require surgery that could cause other issues) |
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| 12:02.35 | SynrG | Ugly solution |
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| 12:03.38 | some-cowbell | yes, and the less ugly is a complete reinstall, which is hopefully not needed... but you're right, it's the only solution that's going to guarantee things will work properly, including the package database |
| 12:03.47 | SynrG | More to the point is how you end up with half-configured x auth as root |
| 12:04.08 | some-cowbell | that part I don't understand |
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| 12:05.14 | some-cowbell | that implies things are worse than I thought |
| 12:05.32 | SynrG | Or user error |
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| 12:06.38 | some-cowbell | SynrG: so do you think it's possible for him to restore by removing jessie stuff? |
| 12:07.24 | rkrishna | Hi, I am not able to pin a process with taskset any more, here the output of uname -a Linux test2 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:08.10 | some-cowbell | or do you think there's only one way (at this point) for him to restore? |
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| 12:08.32 | rkrishna | Hi, I am not able to pin a process with taskset, here the output of uname -a Linux test2 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux. Any ideas? |
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| 12:09.32 | SynrG | some-cowbell: it's a whole different issue so far as i can see. Chances are low but not impossible that mixing caused this |
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| 12:10.24 | some-cowbell | hmm, if that's the case he has multiple things to fix, the mixing plus the "whole different" issue |
| 12:10.39 | SynrG | Possibly just unsetting DISPLAY could have worked around the issue |
| 12:11.11 | some-cowbell | well, which would have meant he couldn't fire up x apps from his terminal? |
| 12:11.22 | SynrG | As root |
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| 12:13.08 | SynrG | And only for the install command. He went the other direction and authorized root, which i think was the wrong way to go. |
| 12:13.19 | some-cowbell | so he's running x clients as root (or trying to but failling because xauth is broke at the moment?) |
| 12:13.26 | SynrG | Moot point now. |
| 12:13.46 | SynrG | The maintainer script was |
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| 12:14.05 | some-cowbell | moot? is he gone? |
| 12:14.39 | SynrG | Might have X libs compiled in but assumes auth works to use them |
| 12:14.57 | SynrG | And bombs if it is misconfigured |
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| 12:15.17 | SynrG | Moot as he has his workaround |
| 12:15.40 | some-cowbell | oh ok |
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| 12:16.43 | SynrG | And seems disinterested in this discussion |
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| 12:17.53 | some-cowbell | disinterest is fine... it's at his peril not mine! |
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| 12:20.38 | some-cowbell | anyone want to help me debug a fglrx setup? |
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| 12:22.35 | micky | hey, is there a way to just upgrade let's say "nginx" ( to testing ) on my weezy install withouth upgrading the whole system ? |
| 12:22.54 | MCMic | :-D |
| 12:23.17 | micky | that's withouth going through the hassle of compiling it myself |
| 12:23.26 | some-cowbell | micky, that is the kind of thing that can cause dependency hell |
| 12:23.34 | some-cowbell | it doesn't always |
| 12:23.47 | jelly | !tell micky about backports |
| 12:23.53 | jelly | judd: v nginx |
| 12:23.54 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy2; wheezy-backports: 1.6.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.0-1; sid: 1.6.0-1 |
| 12:24.23 | micky | jelly: ty -> wheezy-backports: 1.6.0-1~bpo70+1; |
| 12:24.33 | jelly | micky: read /msg dpkg wheezy-backports |
| 12:25.17 | micky | jelly: did, ty |
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| 12:39.50 | some-cowbell | someone want to help me debug a fglrx setup? for example... shouild I load the firmware if I want to use fglrx |
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| 12:40.34 | Shadow_7 | what kernel? what card? |
| 12:40.45 | some-cowbell | the kernel is... |
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| 12:41.18 | Shadow_7 | or I could ask... is it a legacy ati card? |
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| 12:41.41 | some-cowbell | it's on a asus mobo; sec |
| 12:41.51 | Shadow_7 | if legacy then kernel > 3.4.x == fail |
| 12:41.54 | some-cowbell | 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:43.07 | Shadow_7 | so fglrx is already installed? might need dpkg-divert to see if the amd or non-amd version of libGL is in play |
| 12:43.26 | some-cowbell | card is... |
| 12:43.29 | some-cowbell | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series] [1002:791e] |
| 12:43.36 | some-cowbell | brb |
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| 12:45.48 | some-cowbell | , pciid 1002:791e |
| 12:45.49 | judd | [1002:791e] is 'RS690 [Radeon X1200]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:791e and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 12:46.59 | some-cowbell | also, I checked the other day to find the firmware is definitely getting loaded |
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| 12:48.39 | Shadow_7 | does glxinfo show "mesa" as the provider? or ATI/AMD/STI whatever the other one is? |
| 12:49.02 | Shadow_7 | assuming direct rendering == yes |
| 12:49.22 | some-cowbell | glxinfo (and glxgears) is throwing an error... |
| 12:49.47 | Shadow_7 | so missing packages then |
| 12:49.58 | SynrG | MCMic, some-cowbell: for your consideration: http://paste.debian.net/106842/ ... and yes, i confirmed just 'sudo -i' is enough to cause this. only gksudo (or other GUI sudo wrappers) will preserve the xauth so that root can use X |
| 12:50.09 | skilz | Say I just done 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8' how would I reverse the process and remove it? |
| 12:50.32 | SynrG | MCMic, some-cowbell: i.e. i have reversed my opinion about possible user error / misconfiguration here. this is normal. |
| 12:50.52 | Shadow_7 | skilz: not sure of the official way, but editing /etc/apt/sources.list is one way. |
| 12:50.56 | SynrG | the real issue is, as MCMic complained, why the trigger of the info stuff for this package even tries to use X |
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| 12:51.29 | skilz | sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa |
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| 13:03.17 | paul_grozav | Hello, I have a linux computer that crashes if I do some things on it. It simply reboots, I think it's a kernel panic followed by a reboot. Is there any way I could get the log from kernel, maybe it dumps some info about the problem. I need to send this to the developer that created this kernel module that is the problem. Thanks |
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| 13:03.55 | peetaur2 | paul_grozav: if it's not on disk already, you'll need a serial console |
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| 13:05.06 | Shadow_7 | could also be a cooling issue. but check the /var/log/ stuff for kern.log syslog dmesg and whatever. |
| 13:05.08 | paul_grozav | peetaur2: I know that dmesg prints the log of kernel. But as far as I can see it's only from the last boot until present. What about the things it printed before the reboot ? |
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| 13:05.54 | Shadow_7 | paul_grozav: logrotate might .0 or .1.gz it at boot |
| 13:05.57 | paul_grozav | hmm, I can see there is a /var/log/dmesg.old maybe this is the last one before reboot |
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| 13:07.01 | paul_grozav | ok, I'll make it crash again and watch that file, thanks |
| 13:07.11 | peetaur2 | paul_grozav: as I said, if the machine didn't persist it to disk before rebooting, then you can likely only get it with a serial console |
| 13:07.21 | Shadow_7 | maybe watch the sensors and ram usage when you're triggering it |
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| 13:07.35 | peetaur2 | paul_grozav: so try grepping through /var/log/* if you want, but remember to try serial console in the end |
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| 13:08.40 | Shadow_7 | and maybe tail -f the logs so you might catch a glimpse of what happened at the point of failure |
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| 13:09.02 | paul_grozav | peetaur2: What do you mean by serial console ? |
| 13:09.19 | some-cowbell | Shadow_7: so we stopped (I think) at missing packages... that your recall too? |
| 13:10.14 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: pretty much. Probably need the libmesa stuff for 3D first, then install the fglrx drivers. As they only provide "some" acceleration, not all of it. |
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| 13:10.28 | peetaur2 | paul_grozav: attach a null modem cable (it's a type of cable) from your bad machine to a good one, set up serial output as the kernel buffer, and then read it on the other machine. |
| 13:10.39 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: as in glxinfo should output something |
| 13:10.43 | peetaur2 | paul_grozav: it should be easy to find instructions in a simple search |
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| 13:12.29 | paul_grozav | peetaur2: So, do I need a modem card on that bad machine ? |
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| 13:13.01 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: I seem to recall manually installing the kernel module from the sources in /usr/src/, but that was long ago. fglrx.ko |
| 13:13.07 | peetaur2 | paul_grozav: a null modem cable between two machines, yes |
| 13:13.19 | peetaur2 | paul_grozav: a serial port... not some fancy card |
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| 13:13.54 | peetaur2 | paul_grozav: every server should have one already. Other things can have USB attachments. Or they have a port on the motherboard but not on the case so you need a bracket. |
| 13:14.16 | peetaur2 | paul_grozav: http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Serial-Motherboard-Header-PLATE9M16/dp/B001Y1F0HW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403788447&sr=8-1&keywords=serial+bracket |
| 13:14.30 | peetaur2 | paul_grozav: http://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-RS-232-Serial-Converter-TU-S9/dp/B0007T27H8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403788461&sr=8-1&keywords=serial+console+usb |
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| 13:14.46 | peetaur2 | not endorsing those links, just showing them for the pictures |
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| 13:16.12 | paul_grozav | peetaur2: and do I need to set some flags in grub so that the kernel prints these messages on the serial console ? |
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| 13:16.47 | peetaur2 | paul_grozav: yes on the kernel command line or something... just look up a howto |
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| 13:17.50 | paul_grozav | peetaur2: I didn't know about that. Thanks for telling me. Anyway I have no physical access to this server, but it's good to know |
| 13:18.27 | paul_grozav | /var/log/dmesg.old has no new lines since before i crashed the kernel.nothing else was appended |
| 13:18.33 | paul_grozav | but a new dmesg was created |
| 13:18.58 | paul_grozav | at boot |
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| 13:22.50 | jojoa1997 | is there a server version of the debian cd image or woul the ones found here be fine http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 13:23.14 | some-cowbell | how do you mean server version? |
| 13:23.48 | jojoa1997 | ubuntu isnt working for me so i am going to debian. with ubuntu there was a server iso and a desktop iso |
| 13:23.55 | jojoa1997 | so is debian kinda like that |
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| 13:24.02 | SynrG | there's no distinction like that. |
| 13:24.04 | peetaur2 | server version as in no X, gui, bloat, etc. by default |
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| 13:24.07 | some-cowbell | btw you can get smaller versions if you have a supported net card |
| 13:24.16 | SynrG | jojoa1997: software selection is configurable at install time |
| 13:24.22 | jojoa1997 | ok |
| 13:24.26 | SynrG | jojoa1997: simply uncheck the "Desktop" option |
| 13:24.51 | SynrG | jojoa1997: in the case of ubuntu it's not *just* what's included, but it uses a whole different installer. |
| 13:24.59 | some-cowbell | debian has packages... (well ubuntu does too) but point is you can install the packages you want to |
| 13:25.10 | SynrG | jojoa1997: in debian's case, there are many different images provided. some with more stuff than other. but they all use the same installer. |
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| 13:25.58 | SynrG | jojoa1997: and they allow some selection of which tasks you want (a task is a collection of related software, conveniently preselected for you) that can be toggled on or off, regardless of which image you use. |
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| 13:26.04 | some-cowbell | it's called a netinstaller, the image is about 175mb, it installs the base, and configures package installs |
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| 13:26.40 | SynrG | some-cowbell: 'about 175M' is an oldish figure :) |
| 13:26.52 | some-cowbell | how big are they now? |
| 13:27.23 | jojoa1997 | my wifi card uses the b43 driver. is there a way to install the driver during setup if it is not preinstalled. and ok i think i will just go with the cd image |
| 13:27.26 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:27.46 | SynrG | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.55 | SynrG | ^^ note, a bit more bloated by extra kernel |
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| 13:28.23 | some-cowbell | so between 225mb and 300mb? |
| 13:28.28 | SynrG | yep |
| 13:28.53 | some-cowbell | good to know... it's still less than half a cd |
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| 13:29.04 | SynrG | jojoa1997: there is the non-free firmware image ... |
| 13:29.18 | SynrG | !firmware installer |
| 13:29.19 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 13:29.36 | SynrG | !firmware images |
| 13:29.37 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 13:29.54 | some-cowbell | probably he needs that to start with... |
| 13:30.08 | jojoa1997 | well i was able to install it on ubuntu with |
| 13:30.10 | SynrG | yep. the second factoid. it can be done the first way but it's more steps |
| 13:30.19 | some-cowbell | so are most wireless interfaces supported by the netinstall? |
| 13:30.33 | SynrG | most, yeah. |
| 13:30.34 | jojoa1997 | sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer |
| 13:30.52 | SynrG | jojoa1997: pretty sure that's included in the unofficial netinst images linked above |
| 13:30.59 | jojoa1997 | the site said it works with ubuntu and debian |
| 13:31.04 | jojoa1997 | ok |
| 13:31.05 | SynrG | the installer should detect and set it up automatically, i think |
| 13:31.10 | some-cowbell | jojoa1997: do you have a wired net operating now? |
| 13:31.20 | jojoa1997 | yes but that is the problem |
| 13:31.35 | some-cowbell | not sure I understand |
| 13:31.46 | some-cowbell | is it that you want to do wireless? |
| 13:32.17 | jojoa1997 | i have 192.168.1.6 open for a static ip adress and i want to use the wireless caard but |
| 13:32.22 | jojoa1997 | the network is WPA2 |
| 13:32.33 | jojoa1997 | and yes it is just a local server for files and programs |
| 13:33.28 | jojoa1997 | it is possible to have a server connected wirelessly right? |
| 13:33.33 | some-cowbell | so, let me see if I understand... you do have a wired network, you want wireless, your network is a wpa2 |
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| 13:34.04 | some-cowbell | that a yes? |
| 13:34.08 | jojoa1997 | yes, though my room only has one ethernet cords and i want to use that with the computer i am on |
| 13:34.43 | some-cowbell | so wired is inconvenient for now |
| 13:34.51 | jojoa1997 | yes |
| 13:34.56 | SynrG | it is possible to put a server on wireless. and using wpa2 shouldn't be a problem. |
| 13:35.08 | jojoa1997 | i can use it if needed but i would like to keep the server wireless |
| 13:35.11 | SynrG | afaik, wheezy installer supports it |
| 13:35.18 | jojoa1997 | ok |
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| 13:41.15 | stevelitt | jojoa1997, if you have one Ethernet cable, you could add a cheap, unmanaged switch and more Ethernet cables, and wire everything. Faster performance, more security, easier to wire a wide variety of OS's. |
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| 13:41.58 | jojoa1997 | yeah i found that out today |
| 13:42.20 | jojoa1997 | um |
| 13:42.21 | tilt | physical server with fix-mounted installation that connects via wlan is ... unusual |
| 13:42.29 | tilt | :) |
| 13:42.34 | tilt | not impossible |
| 13:42.41 | tilt | but unreliable |
| 13:42.46 | jojoa1997 | do you mean on my end or on the router end for the switch |
| 13:42.59 | tilt | the clients are a different story |
| 13:43.24 | jojoa1997 | i would do that if it doesnt split the speed in half |
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| 13:44.24 | SynrG | eh, what? not sure why that would split the speed in half |
| 13:44.46 | jojoa1997 | give me a minute |
| 13:45.04 | SynrG | btw, don't believe the peak bandwidth figure of your wireless. that would only be realized in ideal conditions and wireless is never in "ideal" conditions :p |
| 13:45.13 | jojoa1997 | i know |
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| 13:45.41 | jojoa1997 | i usually get 120kbs when the wifi says 65mbs and the ethernet says 100mbs |
| 13:46.03 | jojoa1997 | it is just that the internet seems faster with the ethernet cable |
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| 13:46.58 | some-cowbell | and you might want that speed for the package installs |
| 13:47.27 | jojoa1997 | let me draw an image to ask a my question |
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| 13:48.03 | Karthick | I have installed proxmox in debian and I am not able to get the WEBUI. Can anybody help me? |
| 13:48.30 | SynrG | !proxmox |
| 13:48.31 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 13:55.19 | jojoa1997 | ok so for the switch setup which one is it 2 or 3? http://i.imgur.com/dQO3YFQ.png |
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| 13:56.32 | zxq9 | Karthick: Proxmox provides a way to install it over debian, but its an external thing. Keep in mind that there is no automated way to move a vm out of proxmox in the event you don't like it (still not so bad with a linux vm, but with a Windows or solaris vm it can be a real pain). |
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| 13:59.04 | some-cowbell | you mean proxmox as a client vm of a debian "dom0" setup? |
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| 14:00.38 | skilz | Is there some program like 'pastebinit' but for images? |
| 14:00.52 | skilz | So I can write a command to upload an image and it gives me the link? |
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| 14:01.03 | daemonkeeper | Not a support question, and http://imgur.com/. |
| 14:01.34 | skilz | For Debian |
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| 14:04.43 | no_gravity | Ok guys, I just installed Windows for the first time in 10 years and I will never make fun of Debians install process anymore :) |
| 14:05.17 | Karthick | zxq9: What you mean by automated way? |
| 14:05.57 | SynrG | skilz: some clipboard managers and screenshot programs have image bin integration, yes |
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| 14:22.49 | dubcl | Hi, anyone know this warning/error (?) "lldp_send: unable to send packet on real device for vnet1: No buffer space available" "lldpd_decode: unable to guess frame type" |
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| 14:24.51 | centrx | dubcl, I would do a web search with some key phrases from the error message. |
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| 14:27.01 | dubcl | centrx, yes but without luck |
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| 14:27.32 | dubcl | (i always search before ask =B ) |
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| 14:29.05 | centrx | dubcl, Network driver problem? |
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| 14:36.12 | jojoa1997 | what would be the best desktop environment, for emergencies, to install on a server? |
| 14:36.22 | formorer | the shell |
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| 14:36.33 | mjt | bash will do |
| 14:37.05 | jojoa1997 | not the TTY |
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| 14:38.17 | skilz | How come when I go to Youtube and watch a video it says missing plugin but then it plays anyway, but if I wanna watch some porn sites it wont work at all and just says missing plugin |
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| 14:38.39 | ksk | skilz: flash vs. html5? |
| 14:38.42 | OpenTokix | skilz: because it checks for flash, but will fallback to html5 |
| 14:39.17 | skilz | Okay so what package do I need to install? |
| 14:39.31 | ksk | !tell skilz about flash |
| 14:39.53 | ksk | dunno if that free flash runs fine nowadays, but see what the bot told you. |
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| 14:41.59 | jojoa1997 | ok i put debian-7.5.0-i386-netinst.iso on a flashdrive using YUMI. I boot it and get grub but when i press enter for install i just hear a beep sound and nothing else happens. What am i doing wrong? |
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| 14:46.20 | Brigo | jojoa1997, may be if you try wihtout yumi ... |
| 14:46.41 | ksk | !tell jojoa1997 about usb-install |
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| 14:47.11 | ksk | aka " cp debian.iso /dev/sdX |
| 14:47.11 | ksk | " |
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| 15:04.59 | ChrisH | Question on bpo, I still do not understand. Given I installed package AA from backports and now there is a newer one on backports, will apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade install them? |
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| 15:06.48 | Brigo | ChrisH, try it :) |
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| 15:08.46 | hikenboot | Does anyone in here know where one would go to find people that might be interested in an open source project --- specifically interested in porting debian, or lfs to or other distribution to NaCl |
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| 15:09.03 | hikenboot | google NaCl |
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| 15:10.06 | ChrisH | Brigo: that not the answer I expected :) I use bpo now for the first time |
| 15:11.10 | Brigo | ChrisH, i have never used it, but there is no proble, make apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and see what happen :) |
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| 15:16.45 | babilen | ChrisH: yes |
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| 15:17.29 | ChrisH | babilen: thanks... I hoped that. |
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| 15:24.49 | bt | hi everyone. |
| 15:25.20 | Colombiana | holaaaaaaaaa |
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| 15:28.28 | gestahlt | Hi |
| 15:28.40 | gestahlt | Has anyone experience with Exim4? |
| 15:29.12 | ChrisH | !ask |
| 15:29.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:30.32 | skilz | What do I need to install if I want to download source from github to compile? |
| 15:30.36 | gestahlt | Okay, i am an administrator for a small IT Company. They have deployed Exim4 for recieving mails and an application is processing them. It works fine for mails from anywhere else except from the local domain |
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| 15:31.11 | gestahlt | i get a funny error message "remote host address is localhost" which is not true. I googled it now and researched for 4-5 hours and i found no fitting / working solution |
| 15:31.21 | gestahlt | im running out of ideas and maybe you guys can help me |
| 15:31.39 | gestahlt | Basically all i want is to make exim accept emails from the local domain |
| 15:33.19 | Wes- | I am trying to use an armel solib on an armhf platform. I have added armel as a dpkg arch, installed libc, glib, etc - but the linker still refuses to use the library. Is there some other magic foo I need to sprinkle for multiarch to work? Like maybe tell gcc to build my code as armel somehow? |
| 15:33.20 | ChrisH | which exim option did you select? satelite or ? |
| 15:33.45 | gestahlt | internet |
| 15:33.54 | gestahlt | i did not initially configure it |
| 15:34.10 | Colombiana | live colombiana chat: http://colombiana.lsl.com |
| 15:34.16 | gestahlt | but i reconfigured it |
| 15:34.18 | ChrisH | gestahlt: can you show us /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf on paste.debian.net please |
| 15:34.22 | gestahlt | sure |
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| 15:37.00 | gestahlt | http://paste.debian.net/106872/ |
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| 15:41.41 | ChrisH | gestahlt: OK. now run: exim4 -bt and enter the emailadress which does not work as expected. does it look OK? if unsure add the command and outout to your paste |
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| 15:49.52 | furhun | Ive been using Ubuntu for ages.. still im not the most experienced user... recently i switched to openSUSE.. been considering a switch to debian... which version should i install? |
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| 15:50.35 | jmcnaught | furhun: you should install Debian Wheezy, the current stable release |
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| 15:50.45 | furhun | that'd be Debian 7? |
| 15:50.53 | ChrisH | furhun: in this channel only stable=wheezy is supported. 7.x |
| 15:51.13 | furhun | okay... and how often does Debian release stable releases? |
| 15:51.41 | gestahlt | ChrisH: Looks good |
| 15:51.41 | jmcnaught | furhun: yep! usually the network installer iso is all you need. Stable releases happen approx every two years, but releases happen when they're ready not on a strict schedule |
| 15:51.45 | gestahlt | mx gets resolved |
| 15:52.08 | furhun | hmm... is the next release close? cause i dont want to install and then have to upgrade.. |
| 15:52.53 | furhun | btw.. im not on a very stable connection for the network install.. also is Debian okay for general consumers too? cause it sure seems complex.. |
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| 15:53.32 | jmcnaught | furhun: my guess is that Debian 8 will take about another year. Also the great part about Debian is that release upgrades are extensively tested, so it's usually a pretty smooth experience. If your network connection isn't the greatest, maybe consider downloading CD1 which has most of the packages that you'll need to install |
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| 15:54.35 | jmcnaught | furhun: it's not really that difficult or different from the experience you have with Ubuntu. There's an excellent installation manual, and the Debian Administrator's Handbook is great too. |
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| 15:54.57 | kale | hi debianners, i'm having a curious issue. When i plug in my usb mouse the window manager becomes somewhat inresponsive. which means clicking maximixe/minimize/dekstop does not work. clicking on panel works. when i unplug mouse, then i have the expected behaviour. i have been using the mouse for many years. any suggestions? |
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| 15:55.13 | ChrisH | gestahlt: I am offline now... soccet time :) |
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| 15:55.41 | kale | forgot to say its jessie and xfce |
| 15:55.58 | jmcnaught | kale: #debian-next on irc.debian.org for jessie questions |
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| 15:57.00 | furhun_ | sorry i got disconnected.. jmcnaught? |
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| 15:57.20 | kale | jmcnaught: thanks |
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| 15:58.06 | furhun_ | jmcnaught: listen man... does Debian work well for general consumers too? i mean Ubuntu is like it doesnt seem anywhere close to debian.. debian is like acomplete dev OS.. |
| 15:58.18 | skilz | WARNING: The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist. |
| 15:58.18 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.18 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.32 | furhun_ | and is 7.5 considered a stable release? |
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| 15:58.35 | skilz | I already have virtualbox-ose-dkms and linux-header-amd64 installed |
| 15:58.59 | centrx | Debian only releases stable releases |
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| 16:00.28 | jmcnaught | furhun_: The biggest difference is the installer possibly requires a little more reading. There's an excellent installation manual linked from the debian website's front page. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also really good. Debian's not just for developers, but you do sometimes need to take a few extra steps that Ubuntu does for you (such as installing non-free firmware blobs for wifi cards, or getting non-free flash or codecs to |
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| 16:01.12 | jmcnaught | bah... why do people ask questions and disappear? |
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| 16:03.01 | jmcnaught | skilz: not sure what you're trying to do but 1) don't paste directly into the channel 2) perhaps your user doesn't have permission to access /dev/vboxdrv |
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| 16:05.35 | jmcnaught | skilz: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Troubleshooting |
| 16:05.50 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: He did say his connection wasn't very stable. |
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| 16:06.06 | slestak | having trouble with wheezy 7.5, svn + sasl + ldap. |
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| 16:06.33 | slestak | testauthsasl2 comes back with success, but svnserve is a nogo so far. |
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| 16:06.42 | some-cowbell | Shadow_7: still around? |
| 16:07.08 | Catz` | Can anyone please tell me how to copy paste a password in a keyboard authentication method on ssh? i can't manage to access the server via ssh putty |
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| 16:07.44 | skilz | jmcnaught, Is it because I'm using 3.14 kernel? |
| 16:07.53 | slestak | seeign some content on the net about this workign with libsasl2 2.1.23 but not 2.1.25 |
| 16:07.58 | skilz | It's unsupported? No modules for this kernel? |
| 16:08.16 | jmcnaught | skilz: did you check the link, try to modprobe the kernel module etc? |
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| 16:09.50 | jmcnaught | Catz`: does putty have a paste option in a menu, possibly a context menu accessed by right-click? The putty help/docs should tell you how to paste. When I need to paste in ssh using Gnome Terminal it's Ctrl+Shift+V |
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| 16:09.59 | lroe | for some reason I don't have sound anymore |
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| 16:10.37 | lroe | running 7.5, xfce and have Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1) |
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| 16:11.09 | jhutchins | lroe: I was able to get my sound back using alsamixer as root. |
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| 16:11.25 | jhutchins | lroe: Muted/Unmuted all relevant channels, boom, sound works. |
| 16:11.55 | some-cowbell | only boom sound?! |
| 16:11.56 | lroe | I only have the one channel, and I am using pulseaudio, if that makes a difference |
| 16:12.45 | lroe | ugh, the headphone jack wasn't pushed all the way in |
| 16:12.59 | lroe | FML, I spent the last 2hrs on this |
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| 16:13.32 | jhutchins | lroe: I once went on a $300 service call for a monitor that wasn't plugged in. |
| 16:13.40 | some-cowbell | lroe, it's experience for next time |
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| 16:14.04 | lroe | jhutchins, in that case you got to call someone else an idiot, here I can't blame anyone but me |
| 16:14.12 | jmcnaught | lroe: glad you figured it out. for next time, in alsamixer you can press F6 to select sound card (it defaults to the pulseaudio "virtual" card) |
| 16:14.30 | some-cowbell | lroe, maybe that's a good thing |
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| 16:15.50 | jhutchins | lroe: You don't call a customer who'd paying you $300 an idiot. |
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| 16:15.59 | jhutchins | lroe: You let their accountant do that. |
| 16:16.03 | lroe | ha |
| 16:16.35 | some-cowbell | lroe, I guess you'd be more comfortable if you could (with good conscience) blame something outside yourself... |
| 16:16.57 | lroe | yes |
| 16:17.18 | some-cowbell | I say it's a good exercise to pretend all events happen as if you choose them |
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| 16:17.37 | lroe | when did #cisco turn into an ashram? |
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| 16:18.00 | some-cowbell | when cisco kid he was a friend of mine |
| 16:18.40 | jmcnaught | they're handing out free ice cream in #debian-offtopic! *hint* :) |
| 16:18.55 | some-cowbell | free ice cream?! |
| 16:18.59 | some-cowbell | wow! |
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| 16:24.32 | IonCannon218 | is there a way to quickly isntall of the basic libs thats preloaded by default |
| 16:24.39 | IonCannon218 | trying to install i386 version for a steam game |
| 16:25.11 | some-cowbell | what's "all of the basic libs"? |
| 16:25.36 | IonCannon218 | libs for GUI apps like libpng, libaudio |
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| 16:26.03 | some-cowbell | how do you mean install? |
| 16:26.28 | some-cowbell | do you mean literally to install the package of them? |
| 16:26.33 | jhutchins | !steam |
| 16:26.33 | IonCannon218 | yeah |
| 16:26.34 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <testing> (non-free); amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. http://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
| 16:26.52 | zergut | good evening, is there x window in live of debian in standart release? |
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| 16:27.22 | some-cowbell | are you an amd64 (aka x86-64) user? |
| 16:27.29 | IonCannon218 | yes i already have multilib enabled |
| 16:27.42 | jhutchins | zergut: Yes. |
| 16:27.50 | IonCannon218 | but i just want to select all basic libs in i386 to install in one go instead of trying to launch this game and having it fail |
| 16:27.54 | IonCannon218 | then install that one lib |
| 16:27.56 | IonCannon218 | then repeat |
| 16:28.00 | some-cowbell | and, installed steam:i386 pkg? |
| 16:28.11 | zergut | jhutchins: it says no when im trying to start it |
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| 16:28.20 | slestak | getting this message in auth.log _sasl_plugin_load failed on sasl_canonuser_init for plugin: ldapdb I have libsasl2-modules-ldap installed and I am specifying auxprop in my sasl2 config |
| 16:28.21 | centrx | IonCannon218, apt-get handles dependencies for you |
| 16:28.30 | IonCannon218 | E: Package 'steam:i386' has no installation candidate |
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| 16:28.51 | skilz | How do I make my system automount optical drive? |
| 16:29.02 | centrx | IonCannon218, https://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
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| 16:29.16 | slestak | skilz, for console or gnome? |
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| 16:29.27 | some-cowbell | you have to add i386 arch and then aptitude update |
| 16:29.28 | slestak | soln might be different based on answer |
| 16:29.39 | IonCannon218 | i already have i386 arch added |
| 16:29.51 | IonCannon218 | but the libs are NOT installed |
| 16:29.54 | some-cowbell | ok, then you aptitude update |
| 16:29.54 | jhutchins | zergut: The GUI should start automatically if you have a good image, unless you have very new and unsupported video. (Even then it should start in VESA mode.) |
| 16:30.01 | slestak | https://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs |
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| 16:30.02 | IonCannon218 | how do i get those libs required |
| 16:30.04 | skilz | console |
| 16:30.15 | jhutchins | zergut: startx as a user is deprectated. |
| 16:30.16 | skilz | How do I find what /dev it is |
| 16:30.34 | slestak | skilz, dmesg may help |
| 16:30.50 | centrx | jhutchins, huh? |
| 16:31.06 | centrx | skilz, lsblk |
| 16:31.09 | jhutchins | centrx: The way it's set up by default users don't have permission to run it. |
| 16:31.16 | some-cowbell | IonCannon218: so you did the update? |
| 16:31.17 | centrx | skilz, (List block devices) |
| 16:31.22 | centrx | jhutchins, noo...what? |
| 16:31.25 | slestak | centrx, that means that method is outdated, by several years |
| 16:31.28 | IonCannon218 | some-cowbell: yes obviously |
| 16:31.32 | jhutchins | centrx: It's a configuration issue, but it's the default for most distros I've used recently. |
| 16:31.44 | Shadow_7 | I still use startx... need the xinit package |
| 16:31.51 | centrx | startx works fine on my Debian |
| 16:31.58 | zergut | jhutchins: sorry, i dont know what does deprectated mean |
| 16:32.11 | slestak | lol |
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| 16:32.16 | slestak | typonese |
| 16:32.17 | jhutchins | zergut: In this case it just means not set up to work by default. |
| 16:32.19 | skilz | mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 16:32.20 | skilz | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 16:32.39 | skilz | I done 'mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom' |
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| 16:32.47 | zergut | deprecated? |
| 16:32.54 | some-cowbell | IonCannon218: let's pretend nothing is obvious, especially since noone can see your screen |
| 16:33.06 | Shadow_7 | if you have a display manager like gdm or kdm installed you default to gui login ofc |
| 16:33.16 | jhutchins | skilz: Were these the DVD RWs from a Mac? |
| 16:33.36 | zergut | jhutchins: okay, i guess the problem is in the image |
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| 16:33.43 | zergut | thank you |
| 16:34.02 | Shadow_7 | skilz fstype == iso9660 aka -t iso9660 for mount options |
| 16:34.13 | jhutchins | zergut: Good luck. It should just work, but there are things that can cause it to break. |
| 16:34.15 | some-cowbell | Shadow_7: do you think it's possible that if firmware is loaded into the video card, that makes fglrx not do its thing? |
| 16:34.24 | Shadow_7 | although you cannot mount audio discs (anymore) |
| 16:34.26 | jhutchins | zergut: Regular users can just run X. |
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| 16:35.14 | skilz | jhutchins, Yes they are |
| 16:35.19 | IonCannon218 | okay i solved the issue |
| 16:35.19 | Shadow_7 | I'm not regular: startx -- -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp -nolisten udp -to 10 -depth 16 -retro |
| 16:35.26 | skilz | I'm trying to install OS X with VirtualBox |
| 16:35.36 | skilz | I have the OS X Install DVDs |
| 16:35.37 | zergut | i just wanted live cd to look at the system |
| 16:35.40 | IonCannon218 | it was the launcher script not including steam libs in LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 16:35.50 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: define not do it's things. fglrx only works in 24 color modes. |
| 16:36.19 | Shadow_7 | 24 bit color modes, aka DefaultDepth 24 or -depth 24 on my startx usage |
| 16:36.25 | some-cowbell | IonCannon218: ahh, that could do it... |
| 16:36.44 | IonCannon218 | the game JUST was released as beta on linux |
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| 16:36.56 | some-cowbell | Shadow_7: when I try the aticonfig program, it says no supported device |
| 16:37.17 | jhutchins | skilz: Those should be -t hfs I believe: Cron Daemon 6:34 am Cron <root@minerva> test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / ... |
| 16:37.26 | jhutchins | Eep - sorry, bad buffer. |
| 16:37.28 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: system defaults are normally good enough these days... try going without the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
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| 16:37.51 | jhutchins | skilz: http://support.apple.com/kb/TA21176?viewlocale=en_US |
| 16:37.52 | some-cowbell | hmm. let me see if I have one... |
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| 16:38.09 | jhutchins | Shadow_7: He was asking about live disks. |
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| 16:39.17 | zergut | i checked the image again, it's live cd, exactly what i need |
| 16:39.23 | jhutchins | skilz: Sorry, that's -t hfsplus |
| 16:39.24 | zergut | live* |
| 16:39.29 | furhun | is the LiveCD ISO less desirable? |
| 16:39.53 | Shadow_7 | you could dd the image and use file on it to potentially see what it expects |
| 16:39.54 | jhutchins | zergut: So the question is was the image burned correctly? |
| 16:40.09 | IonCannon218 | huh now the game itself wont work |
| 16:40.12 | zergut | dd /dev/sdb |
| 16:40.29 | zergut | USB flash drive |
| 16:40.32 | jhutchins | zergut: You're doing this from a linux system? |
| 16:40.39 | some-cowbell | there already isn't a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf (but there are a lot of /etc/X11/xorg.conf* files, from when I was experimenting or trying to get some driver working, over the years) |
| 16:40.39 | Shadow_7 | more like: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso |
| 16:40.41 | furhun | hey can anyone help me here? |
| 16:40.42 | IonCannon218 | libGLEW.so isnt found, i looked in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu not there |
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| 16:41.01 | zergut | jhutchins: yes, ubuntu |
| 16:41.08 | furhun | what? |
| 16:41.16 | some-cowbell | IonCannon218: maybe you have to install that |
| 16:41.24 | IonCannon218 | its installed |
| 16:41.30 | Shadow_7 | furhun: live disc of which for what? |
| 16:41.31 | furhun | The netinstall and the CD1 and stuff... they are minimalistic ones right? |
| 16:41.33 | IonCannon218 | i'm doing a find for the file |
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| 16:41.38 | jhutchins | zergut: I believe md5sum /dev/sdb should give you the same sum as md5sum *.iso |
| 16:41.39 | IonCannon218 | i'll just make symlink |
| 16:41.42 | furhun | Shadow_7: Debian of course |
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| 16:41.59 | some-cowbell | the :i386 version? |
| 16:42.06 | Shadow_7 | furhun: if you don't want to install and don't want persistence, a live disc IS desirable |
| 16:42.25 | IonCannon218 | some-cowbell: yup |
| 16:42.28 | IonCannon218 | huh |
| 16:42.30 | Shadow_7 | furhun: or at a minimum a recovery option (one of many) |
| 16:42.32 | IonCannon218 | libglew is nowhere to be found |
| 16:42.34 | zergut | jhutchins: couple seconds |
| 16:42.34 | furhun | no.. i want to install... but i prefer a complete installer rather than downloading stuff on the fly |
| 16:42.44 | IonCannon218 | oh forgot the * |
| 16:43.06 | furhun | Shadow_7: the CD1 and netinstall dont even have a DE right? i have to install one myself? |
| 16:43.19 | jhutchins | IonCannon218: Are you familiar with the locat command? |
| 16:43.24 | jhutchins | locate |
| 16:43.25 | Shadow_7 | furhun: the complete disc set would allow the complete installer. But the second you apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, you're acting on the fly anyway |
| 16:43.26 | staylor | Is this a good channel for debian packing questions? |
| 16:43.49 | some-cowbell | or #debian-mentors |
| 16:43.55 | jhutchins | furhun: There is no need to download anything but the first disk image. |
| 16:44.13 | jhutchins | furhun: The "complete set" is massive duplication and overkill. |
| 16:44.14 | furhun | okay... and that would leave me with an install enough to carry on myself? |
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| 16:44.23 | IonCannon218 | jhutchins: i use find but i found it |
| 16:44.40 | IonCannon218 | i cant find a .so file but i see some files |
| 16:44.40 | jhutchins | furhun: The minimal install will do that, but the main DVD will have a pretty complete system. |
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| 16:44.48 | Shadow_7 | furhun: depends on needs, used to get the first four discs... because the compiler isn't on the first one, nor is IceWM. |
| 16:45.20 | Shadow_7 | furhun: packages on later discs are there by popularity order |
| 16:45.29 | furhun | look, for once i want to setup a light, stable and fast system.. and im prepared to install minimalistic as long as it wont crack me up |
| 16:45.49 | furhun | so, what should i go for.. p.s. im not the most experienced use |
| 16:45.50 | jhutchins | furhun: I would recommend the first DVD iso. |
| 16:45.51 | furhun | *user |
| 16:45.58 | staylor | so I'm putting together a debian package using dh (package uses cmake) but I'm having an issue with handling of *.a libraries, my package doesn't generate these and I'm not sure how to tell the dh to not attempt to include it in the package. |
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| 16:46.33 | Shadow_7 | furhun: first DVD image should be ample. But if you're a minimalist wasted bandwidth as 80% of it you wont be installing |
| 16:46.35 | some-cowbell | *.a are static libs, are you sure you need them? |
| 16:47.07 | furhun | no im not really a minimalist but i want an install free from bloatware.. and yes id like to keep it minimal.. |
| 16:47.11 | staylor | yes that's right, which is partly why I'm not interested in generating/including them. |
| 16:47.21 | Shadow_7 | staylor: some sources have a --enable-shared in the ./configure |
| 16:47.54 | staylor | the problem isn't what I'm generating, it's that dh is expecting the *.a files but I am not generating them. |
| 16:48.12 | Shadow_7 | furhun: having it and installing it are two not related things as far as the dvd image goes |
| 16:48.21 | some-cowbell | ohh |
| 16:48.45 | some-cowbell | are you sure the make process doesn't at least try to generate them? |
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| 16:48.57 | staylor | so either I have my package generate both *.so and *.a or I tell dh to not go looking for *.a |
| 16:49.07 | IonCannon218 | okay wtf valve |
| 16:49.07 | some-cowbell | also, maybe debhelper can be convinced to not expect them |
| 16:49.13 | Shadow_7 | staylor: there's normally a ./debian/ directory with rules and build stuff in there. |
| 16:49.14 | furhun | Shadow_7: look for me a minimalistic install includes all libraries and finely setup repos and dependencies.. but free from DEs and other shit... |
| 16:49.17 | IonCannon218 | i see libs in probably 5 different location |
| 16:49.20 | IonCannon218 | why not just one |
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| 16:49.57 | staylor | yes, does anyone know how to tell debhelper to not expect that, I'm not seeing it anywhere in the manuals. |
| 16:50.28 | Shadow_7 | furhun: I do a debootstrap install. Requires only the debootstrap*.udeb from the netinstall image. The rest is downloaded as needed |
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| 16:50.52 | some-cowbell | staylor: what debhelper program is complaining? |
| 16:51.03 | furhun | Shadow_7: i hope that wont expect me to know which LIBRARIES and core components and stuff i need? |
| 16:51.32 | some-cowbell | staylor: read the man page for that program |
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| 16:51.49 | Shadow_7 | furhun: no, the package management system is still there. You just apt-get them as needed with deps grabbed. |
| 16:52.00 | IonCannon218 | steam stores libs in ~/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam-runtime/i386/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ AND ~/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam-runtime/i386/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ |
| 16:52.01 | IonCannon218 | wtf valve |
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| 16:52.29 | zergut | jhutchins: damn, it's different |
| 16:52.32 | zergut | :) |
| 16:52.33 | Shadow_7 | furhun: it's meant for setting up chroots of a distro. But it can / is used to full installs of linux while in linux. |
| 16:52.56 | furhun | Shadow_7: okay.. but how do i do it? |
| 16:53.44 | zergut | something gone wrong |
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| 16:53.54 | thorie_ | anyone know of a dumbed-down tutorial for newbies on debian packaging? |
| 16:54.19 | Shadow_7 | furhun: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 16:54.25 | furhun | what exactly is it that the netinstall DOES contain.. cause its 200+mb so thats a fine size |
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| 16:54.45 | Shadow_7 | furhun: be advised that it does not use an installer and certain steps are skipped. Like setting up a root password and a user account |
| 16:54.53 | zergut | jhutchins: how it could be, i thought dd make it completery proper |
| 16:54.58 | IonCannon218 | I got the game to work but nothing is being rendering lol |
| 16:55.05 | Shadow_7 | furhun: installer plus base system |
| 16:55.42 | Shadow_7 | furhun: basically gets you a command prompt and a login. from which you install everything else. |
| 16:55.50 | furhun | Shadow_7: netinst vs your bootstrap install? |
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| 16:55.59 | Shadow_7 | furhun: for you netinstall |
| 16:56.37 | Shadow_7 | furhun: once you know linux in and out, debootstrap is nice for a very minimal install with full control |
| 16:56.45 | furhun | haha :D but tell me, the base system it installs == a stable OS; all CLI; no DE? |
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| 16:57.19 | Shadow_7 | furhun: no de afaik. It's been a long while since I've used it. |
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| 16:57.45 | furhun | i dont get you Shado_7 |
| 16:57.48 | furhun | *Shadow_7 |
| 16:57.59 | Shadow_7 | furhun: for the debootstrap I download the netinst.iso image and mount -o loop it, then cp the debootstrap.udeb from /pool/... |
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| 16:58.54 | IonCannon218 | http://i.imgur.com/oeopjzG.png yup totally playable /s |
| 16:58.56 | Shadow_7 | furhun: the base system is the kernel, and the gnu tools to do unix things, plus the package management system |
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| 16:59.00 | furhun | Shadow_7: "furhun: no de afaik. It's been a long while since I've used it." what did this mean? |
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| 16:59.32 | furhun | Shadow_7: i dont even know how to connect to internet from CLI :P |
| 16:59.39 | Shadow_7 | furhun: back in the day the netinstall was 26 floppy disks /dev/fd0 style |
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| 17:00.02 | Shadow_7 | furhun: YMMV ... but ... dhclient eth0 |
| 17:00.07 | furhun | Shadow_7: i can use the netinst with WiFi i hope? |
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| 17:00.21 | furhun | ah yes ... how does dhclient em0 differ? |
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| 17:00.40 | Shadow_7 | furhun: that's where the debootstrap method prevails. wifi normally means proprietary drivers (not included). |
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| 17:01.13 | Shadow_7 | furhun: just a name.. one assigned by udev in most cases... |
| 17:01.28 | furhun | Shadow_7: see thats a weakness.. drivers.. HATE installing them.. |
| 17:01.47 | furhun | how does debootstrap make it easier? |
| 17:01.49 | Shadow_7 | furhun: netinstall have you the base system as in you boot to it... |
| 17:02.08 | Shadow_7 | furhun: debootstrap gives you the base system in a chroot that you can keep installing to before you ever boot it |
| 17:02.31 | furhun | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.40 | furhun | right Shadow_7? |
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| 17:03.14 | Shadow_7 | with the debootstrap install you're in a chroot and the linux you install it from takes care of the networking and other needs until you boot it. |
| 17:03.59 | Shadow_7 | with the traditional net install you "trust" that you have everything you need, until you realize you don't |
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| 17:04.52 | Shadow_7 | Now with a second machine things get a lot easier as you can ethernet bridge to wireless with a crossover cable / adapter. |
| 17:04.53 | furhun | :| is there a way i can get Wifi to work on the netinst? |
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| 17:05.25 | Shadow_7 | furhun: it depends on your wifi chipset. broadcom likely requires firmware that is not shipped with debian and must be downloaded. |
| 17:05.50 | Shadow_7 | athena and other chipsets are not that restrictive and may just work out of the box |
| 17:05.55 | furhun | how do i figure which one to download... |
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| 17:06.10 | Shadow_7 | lspci -nn | grep -i network |
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| 17:06.44 | furhun | what? that tiny command would do it? |
| 17:07.02 | Shadow_7 | it will give you information only about your hardware |
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| 17:07.08 | Shadow_7 | assuming it's pci based |
| 17:07.18 | Shadow_7 | lsusb and other options for other hardware |
| 17:07.21 | furhun | i dont really know whats pci |
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| 17:07.56 | Shadow_7 | those internal card slots in a desktop.. or a connection bus type for smaller device.. |
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| 17:08.10 | furhun | if not pci, what would it be> |
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| 17:08.21 | Shadow_7 | usb, serial, ...??? |
| 17:08.49 | furhun | serial? vs pci? |
| 17:08.55 | IonCannon218 | anyone familar with switchable graphics? |
| 17:09.11 | IonCannon218 | as on laptops |
| 17:09.16 | furhun | how do i check if mine is pci? Shadow_7? |
| 17:09.41 | Shadow_7 | is it embedded? is it a card that you plugged into the motherboard? |
| 17:10.04 | furhun | Shadow_7: embedded i gues.. built in |
| 17:10.11 | furhun | a laptop... came with it.. |
| 17:10.13 | Shadow_7 | IonCannon218: define switchable? You can use xrandr to resize and rotate your screen |
| 17:10.25 | furhun | its a dell 8.0.2 or something |
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| 17:10.31 | Shadow_7 | furhun: so likely a card on the inside, as in pci |
| 17:10.32 | jhutchins | furhun: Rather than trying to get us to guess correctly, just run lspci and see what it shows. |
| 17:10.33 | IonCannon218 | Shadow_7: dual graphics in a laptop |
| 17:10.45 | IonCannon218 | intel integrated and AMD or nvidia dedicated gpu |
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| 17:11.13 | Shadow_7 | IonCannon218: so you want to turn one or both on/off? |
| 17:11.13 | furhun | jhutchins: im not on linux right now |
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| 17:11.40 | furhun | Shadow_7: lspci would get me the cards name? then i just have to start searching for a driver? |
| 17:11.42 | IonCannon218 | Shadow_7: i was asking if anyone on here is familiar or have a fully functioning switchable graphics |
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| 17:12.42 | Shadow_7 | IonCannon218: I've run dual head on a laptop before. Long ago and X only worked with both if both were on and connected before starting X. |
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| 17:13.05 | Shadow_7 | But I was that up on xrandr back then (or it didn't exist) |
| 17:13.20 | furhun | lets say the card is "Dell Wireless 1702 802.11 b/g/n", now what shoud i do? Shadow_7? |
| 17:13.49 | Shadow_7 | furhun: get the vender:device ID and google it. aka lspci -n |
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| 17:14.18 | furhun | i just googled it.. irrelevant results not at all close to Debian |
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| 17:14.25 | Shadow_7 | furhun: a lot of chipsets are all the same chipsets rebranded |
| 17:14.46 | asturel | i cant have libmysqlclient-dev:i386 and in the same time ? |
| 17:14.47 | asturel | libmysqlclient-dev:amd64 |
| 17:14.52 | Shadow_7 | furhun: you want results relative to the kernel, since that's what will provide a driver |
| 17:14.55 | ctmjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.05 | furhun | Shadow_7: that doesnt help since im not into any chipsets.. nor the kernel |
| 17:15.19 | asturel | when i try to install the :amd64 it wants to remove the :i386 |
| 17:15.32 | IonCannon218 | ctmjr: sadly i have ati |
| 17:15.57 | asturel | libmysqlclient-dev : Conflicts: libmysqlclient-dev:i386 libmysqlclient-dev:i386 : Conflicts: libmysqlclient-dev |
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| 17:16.02 | Shadow_7 | furhun: for example I have to modprobe b43 on my laptop, because it's a broadcom chipset (and for some reason blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/) |
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| 17:16.06 | IonCannon218 | though this game should run fine on integrated gpu |
| 17:16.34 | Shadow_7 | furhun: then I can use the usual iwconfig, ifconfig, or other gui tools to use it like network-manager or wicd |
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| 17:17.42 | furhun | hmm.. i think i should install the netinst first then worry about wifi? Shadow_7? :D |
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| 17:17.55 | Shadow_7 | furhun: sounds like a plan |
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| 17:18.25 | Shadow_7 | IonCannon218: depends on the game. Most 2D games run fine on integrated gpus |
| 17:18.28 | furhun | Shadow_7: Stay.. il be right back :P |
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| 17:18.50 | IonCannon218 | i get 120fps constant on this hardware in windows, pretty sure it'll run fine |
| 17:18.55 | IonCannon218 | if i can even get it to display something |
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| 17:19.29 | furhun | btw.. how long does the netinst take on an average pc? i mean.. i wont have to keep the installer disk plugged in until im done setting up?? |
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| 17:20.17 | jhutchins | Iridos: Are you on the ATI chipset or the Intel? |
| 17:20.25 | jhutchins | IonCannon218: ^ |
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| 17:20.45 | level7 | hi all |
| 17:20.48 | IonCannon218 | i have no idea currently vgaswitcheroo isnt showing up |
| 17:21.02 | level7 | I have a problem with some kvm files.... |
| 17:21.17 | level7 | I want to delete some old kvm images but when I try I get |
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| 17:21.28 | level7 | I get "Read-only file system" but the mount shows --> /dev/sda1 on /home type ext4 (rw,discard) |
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| 17:21.38 | jhutchins | IonCannon218: I'm afraid you're mixing a bunch of fairly new and not completely perfected systems. That's why you're having to struggle. |
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| 17:22.05 | jhutchins | IonCannon218: I'm not sure how you tell which one it's on. |
| 17:22.07 | IonCannon218 | is there a way to see what kernel parameters was used at boot while up |
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| 17:22.16 | level7 | I am really puzzled because it should not complain, I am root and I just want do a simple rm -rf this_old_kvm file |
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| 17:22.24 | level7 | any clue? |
| 17:22.25 | IonCannon218 | jhutchins: theres a switch at /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch |
| 17:22.30 | IonCannon218 | it shows which gpu is active |
| 17:22.35 | IonCannon218 | but that path isnt shwoing up |
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| 17:23.16 | Shadow_7 | you need to run the kernel in debug mode to see module options. not quite sure how to do that myself. |
| 17:23.28 | Yoshi1 | anyone know how to get unrar to extract a file to a specificied directory? |
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| 17:23.42 | Shadow_7 | you could always modprobe -r the modules and them modprobe them known options, if they're not embedded in the kernel |
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| 17:23.50 | m5 | Hi |
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| 17:24.00 | m5 | I'd like to reduce the space reserved to root |
| 17:24.12 | m5 | sudo tune2fs -m 0 doesn't seem to do it |
| 17:24.16 | Shadow_7 | Yoshi1: I normally cd to the destination and then unrar the file with a full path |
| 17:24.17 | jelly | Yoshi1: the stupid way is cd /destin/ation && rar e /path/to/archive.rar file-to-extract |
| 17:24.21 | IonCannon218 | switchable wont work in debian because switchable graphics is a new thing |
| 17:24.52 | jelly | m5: how does it fail? |
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| 17:25.16 | jaggz | what's the proper way to install a python lib in debian? I can't find a package for matplotlib.pyplot |
| 17:25.27 | m5 | Usage: tune2fs [-c max_mounts_count] [-e errors_behavior] [-g group] |
| 17:25.27 | m5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.35 | m5 | Doesn't say anything though |
| 17:25.47 | furhun | Shadow_7: http://anasismail.com/others/locker/upload/alpha/1/a/1/debshot.png |
| 17:25.54 | furhun | ^ i got this error.. |
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| 17:26.09 | jelly | m5: you have to tell it the device node where your filesystem is stored |
| 17:26.12 | lift | jaggz: you can use "pip install --user [packagename]" to install it to just that user. Don't run pip as root or it will overwrite package manager controlled directories. |
| 17:26.14 | mah454 | Hello |
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| 17:26.33 | jaggz | eenteresting |
| 17:26.33 | jelly | m5: eg tune2fs -m 1 /dev/sda12 |
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| 17:26.42 | lift | jaggz: or better yet set up a virtualenv |
| 17:27.09 | jaggz | what's that? |
| 17:27.15 | jaggz | not a whole virtual box right.. ? |
| 17:27.22 | m5 | Awesome, thanks! |
| 17:27.22 | furhun | who me? |
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| 17:27.26 | lift | a virtual environment for whatever python stuff you're developing |
| 17:27.27 | jhutchins | IonCannon218: It works sometimes. Depends on the hardware implementation (and a bit of luck). |
| 17:27.29 | Shadow_7 | furhun: looks like you didn't get the full iso image |
| 17:27.31 | lift | or running |
| 17:27.39 | Shadow_7 | furhun: or it didn't burn right to the disk |
| 17:27.50 | furhun | i downloaded the netinst... ran it on a VM :3 |
| 17:27.56 | jelly | m5: all the lines of "Usage:" output are for a single command, and it ends with a ... [ -I new_inode_size ] device |
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| 17:28.21 | furhun | Shadow_7: followed by this: http://anasismail.com/others/locker/upload/alpha/1/a/1/02.png |
| 17:28.24 | IonCannon218 | jhutchins: hah i doubt it will work well, this is a samsung laptop |
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| 17:29.03 | Shadow_7 | furhun: did you wget -c <URL> the iso image? |
| 17:29.10 | IonCannon218 | it doesnt even work well sometimes in windows |
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| 17:29.49 | jaggz | lift, thanks :) |
| 17:29.50 | IonCannon218 | ok i just rebooted |
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| 17:30.04 | IonCannon218 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.07 | jaggz | jhutchins: you sent a dpkg msg to me about searching for things.. not sure how it applies to me |
| 17:30.09 | IonCannon218 | it worked fine a few days ago |
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| 17:30.44 | jhutchins | jaggz: I was hoping it might help you find the file you're looking for. apt-file will do that. |
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| 17:32.05 | Yoshi1 | jelly whats the smart way;/ |
| 17:32.09 | Shadow_7 | according to apt-file... python-matplotlib (jessie) ... contains /usr/share/pyshared/matplotlib/pyplot.py |
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| 17:32.53 | Catz` | i have a noob question, i also read on the internet, if i activate public key authentication, i generate the public and private key, and on the server both files must be available on .ssh and on my computer only the id_rsa right? |
| 17:33.21 | mah454 | minicom dont show keyboard characters !!! |
| 17:33.28 | jelly | Yoshi1: probably reading the manual of unrar or rar or whatever you use |
| 17:33.35 | jmcnaught | Catz`: only the public key should be on the remote host. both the public and private keys should be on the local computer |
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| 17:35.16 | Yoshi1 | jelly unrar doesnt have a manual |
| 17:35.27 | Yoshi1 | it has a help entry but thats not much help |
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| 17:36.17 | jmcnaught | Yoshi1: "man unrar" works for me |
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| 17:36.44 | jhutchins | Yoshi1: Yep, manpage here too. |
| 17:37.03 | Yoshi1 | i get man: command exited with status 255: (cd && LESS=-ix8RmPm Manual page unrar(1) ?ltline %lt?L/%L.:byte %bB?s/%s..?e (END):?pB %pB\%.. (press h for help or q to quit)$PM Manual page unrar(1) ?ltline %lt?L/%L.:byte %bB?s/%s..?e (END):?pB %pB\%.. (press h for help or q to quit)$ MAN_PN=unrar(1) pager -s) |
| 17:37.51 | jaggz | jhutchins: thanks :) |
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| 17:41.45 | jmcnaught | Yoshi1: do you not have "less" installed? Or have you used update-alternatives to change the default pager? "update-alternatives --display pager" should tell you which is being used, but generally "less" is the default |
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| 17:42.32 | IonCannon218 | i rebooted multiple times, it wont show me the switch wtf |
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| 17:52.13 | Yoshi1 | jmcnaught: less has priority 77 |
| 17:52.18 | Yoshi1 | higher then any others |
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| 17:54.01 | jmcnaught | Yoshi1: if other man pages work, then maybe it's a problem with your unrar man page. Are you using the unrar package from the Debian repos? |
| 17:54.10 | IonCannon218 | okay all of sudden it now appears |
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| 17:56.53 | Yoshi1 | yes |
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| 17:57.57 | furhun | Which "mirror" should i choose? |
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| 17:58.13 | pbunny | hi |
| 17:58.17 | pbunny | im now at this pc |
| 17:58.18 | furhun | yo |
| 17:58.21 | pbunny | with 2 wifi cards |
| 17:58.31 | pbunny | one built-in iwlwifi - works but signal is weak |
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| 17:58.48 | pbunny | second - usb ath9k_htc - signal perfect, can see networks, can't connect |
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| 17:58.54 | pbunny | goal - connect with ath9k_htc |
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| 17:59.26 | pbunny | hangs after this line - NetworkManager[3244]: <info> (wlan0): DHCPv4 state changed nbi -> preinit |
| 17:59.32 | pbunny | nothing happens |
| 17:59.48 | pbunny | it continues fine to preinit -> bound with iwlwifi |
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| 17:59.50 | pbunny | suggestions? |
| 18:00.16 | pbunny | SynrG: |
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| 18:01.03 | furhun | stupid question.. but the chinese mirror wont be carrying stuff in the chinesse language would it? |
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| 18:04.46 | SynrG | furhun: and every other language. hence 'mirror' |
| 18:05.03 | furhun | (y) |
| 18:05.07 | SynrG | there's a project to translate the metadata |
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| 18:05.31 | SynrG | https://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ddtp |
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| 18:07.51 | furhun | how fast a connection should i have for a netinstall>? |
| 18:08.12 | SynrG | pbunny: i have no special expertise in this. but as indicated earlier, if you mix ubuntu and debian, you put yourself in a position where you are unsupportable :p |
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| 18:08.50 | babilen | furhun: Faster is better. It really depends on your willingness to wait for downloads. How fast is your connection? |
| 18:09.38 | thorie | is there a debian packaging/maintainers chat room? |
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| 18:10.04 | SynrG | yes. what do you want to ask them? |
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| 18:10.15 | pbunny | SynrG: i just installed touchegg from ubuntu |
| 18:10.31 | SynrG | "just" meaning no dependencies? |
| 18:10.38 | pbunny | SynrG: just one library |
| 18:10.43 | pbunny | used only by touchegg |
| 18:11.00 | SynrG | i can't guarantee that won't wreck your system, if it has Conflicts, Breaks, or replaces files that exist in other packages |
| 18:11.00 | thorie | my Depends: php5 (>= 5.5.9+dfsg-1ubuntu4.2) line isn't working, it says i don't have the dependency but i do, it's installed |
| 18:11.10 | SynrG | or other rigid deps that prevent upgrades |
| 18:11.10 | pbunny | ok, so why can dhclient fail for ath9k_htc and work fine for iwlwifi ? |
| 18:11.22 | pbunny | for ath9k_htc it just hangs and then disconnects due to timeout |
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| 18:11.31 | pbunny | i can provide full log if interested |
| 18:11.39 | SynrG | pbunny: a better way would be to get the touchegg source and build it yourself. |
| 18:11.46 | SynrG | you could use the ubuntu source pkg |
| 18:12.09 | furhun | babilen: its 4mbps |
| 18:12.09 | pbunny | SynrG: well i really doubt touchegg can conflict with ath9k_htc driver |
| 18:12.13 | pbunny | or dhclient |
| 18:12.16 | SynrG | i don't really know either iwlwifi or ath9k_htc. sorry :/ |
| 18:12.29 | SynrG | pbunny: highly unlikely it does. but before, you never said what :) |
| 18:12.35 | pbunny | SynrG: i also have this line in dmesg - [ 4.501307] ath: Country alpha2 being used: CN |
| 18:12.40 | pbunny | can it be the reason? |
| 18:12.42 | SynrG | pbunny: and i'd rather see you follow best practices there. |
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| 18:13.02 | SynrG | i doubt it. that's just to set the channels used in CN |
| 18:13.05 | SynrG | are you in CN? |
| 18:13.09 | pbunny | no. |
| 18:13.12 | pbunny | im in Europe |
| 18:13.15 | SynrG | how strange |
| 18:13.17 | pbunny | yeah |
| 18:13.29 | pbunny | and the same adapter worked with winblows successfully |
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| 18:14.48 | SynrG | pbunny: is there any /etc/modprobe.d/ stuff for the ath modules? |
| 18:15.38 | pbunny | SynrG: no, i only blacklisted iwlwifi |
| 18:15.55 | pbunny | i start iwlwifi manually when need internet |
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| 18:16.31 | SynrG | pbunny: ok. so i think you could modprobe it with countrycode parameter |
| 18:16.42 | SynrG | not sure what 'it' is, though |
| 18:16.56 | pbunny | Europe maybe? |
| 18:17.06 | pbunny | EU? |
| 18:17.19 | pbunny | SynrG: any example? |
| 18:17.22 | pbunny | modprobe ... ? |
| 18:17.52 | SynrG | no, "it" being a module |
| 18:17.59 | SynrG | ath_something? |
| 18:18.11 | pbunny | ath9k_htc |
| 18:18.48 | SynrG | http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath |
| 18:18.55 | SynrG | i'm not sure if that's the module that accepts the option |
| 18:19.00 | SynrG | there are a family of modules |
| 18:19.12 | pbunny | (wlan0): using nl80211 for WiFi device control |
| 18:19.15 | pbunny | why not wext? |
| 18:19.15 | SynrG | lsmod probably has more than one belonging to your wireless stack |
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| 18:19.27 | babilen | furhun: I'd say that's fast enough. But then you can just download a CD1 or DVD1 image and have the download time upfront. |
| 18:19.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell furhun -about various cd1 |
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| 18:19.49 | babilen | furhun: That would, in particular, pay of if you plan to do multiple installs |
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| 18:21.48 | SynrG | pbunny: from the link i gave: http://paste.debian.net/plain/106906 |
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| 18:22.52 | SynrG | pbunny: if you drop the iwlwifi device (may have to go into bios to toggle it off) does it solve the regulatory domain issue? |
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| 18:24.28 | cuqa | hello |
| 18:24.34 | cuqa | some german t-online customere here? |
| 18:24.56 | RoyK | cuqa: why? |
| 18:25.00 | SynrG | cuqa: please explain how this is a debian support question ... |
| 18:25.11 | RoyK | !ask |
| 18:25.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:25.46 | cuqa | i cant reach the official t-online debian mirror |
| 18:26.00 | SynrG | cuqa: i think you need to talk to the mirror maintainer in that case |
| 18:26.11 | cuqa | do you know him? |
| 18:26.15 | pbunny | SynrG: no, and iwlwifi is dropped on boot |
| 18:26.19 | frostschutz | use another mirror then? |
| 18:26.23 | pbunny | i blacklisted it |
| 18:26.36 | SynrG | cuqa: otherwise: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 18:26.50 | SynrG | cuqa: no idea. |
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| 18:27.12 | tiko | holas |
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| 18:27.58 | SynrG | pbunny: no idea except to keep googling. i did see various suggestions but none of them seemed to apply to exactly your situation. |
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| 18:28.43 | SynrG | pbunny: you could try either forcing a channel or a countrycode when modprobing a (not sure which, maybe ath9k_htc) wireless module |
| 18:28.52 | SynrG | and if that's successful, you could toss that into /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 18:29.10 | SynrG | (though forcing a channel in modprobe, ugh ...) |
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| 18:29.24 | SynrG | unless there's some parameter that takes a list of channels |
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| 18:29.58 | SynrG | pbunny: another test would be to see if there are overlapping channels in the CN reg domain that are also in your domain and move the AP to such a channel |
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| 18:30.07 | SynrG | in theory, that should work, if it's the reg domain tripping you up |
| 18:30.25 | zq | is there a way to prevent <current lan address> from being shortcutted as loopback? |
| 18:30.31 | SynrG | (useful as a diagnostic, if not a great permanent solution) |
| 18:30.59 | SynrG | heading out shortly. that's about it for ideas for now :) |
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| 18:31.12 | SynrG | good luck |
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| 18:33.30 | jhutchins | pbunny: Lots of relevant discussing on google for "ath9k_htc set wrong regulatory". |
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| 18:34.48 | jhutchins | pbunny: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-961912-start-0.html |
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| 18:41.47 | pbunny | SynrG: forcing countrycode doesn't seem to work |
| 18:42.05 | pbunny | even though ath9k_htc accepts this option, in dmesg i see that CN is still loaded |
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| 18:49.34 | alphis | hey guys. i need to install armel crosscompile functionality and im following: https://wiki.debian.org/EmdebianToolchain#Get_the_binaries but i see NO gcc* binary for arm after install |
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| 18:59.55 | nell | I just cloned my system including the boot partition and lvm crypt partition |
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| 19:00.04 | nell | and on startup i get black screen with blinking white cursor |
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| 19:00.18 | nell | i booted from super grub boot loader and i can still access the system |
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| 19:00.25 | nell | but the boot is messed up |
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| 19:00.53 | nell | i ran sudo update-grub |
| 19:01.02 | nell | is this a grub problem |
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| 19:04.56 | m5 | Hi |
| 19:05.09 | m5 | I'd like to stop people nmapping 192.168.0.0/16 |
| 19:05.15 | m5 | 192.168.*.* |
| 19:05.27 | m5 | But I'd like to choose which users |
| 19:06.07 | RoyK | m5: ufw deny 192.168.1.2 or something |
| 19:06.18 | m5 | ufw? |
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| 19:06.22 | RoyK | m5: stopping people from nmapping your network is hard, better secure it |
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| 19:06.37 | RoyK | m5: or iptables, if you like to do it |
| 19:06.40 | m5 | I know I probably have to mess with iptables |
| 19:06.41 | RoyK | m5: or iptables, if you like |
| 19:06.42 | m5 | yeah |
| 19:06.44 | m5 | Hmm |
| 19:06.48 | m5 | ubuntu firewall |
| 19:06.57 | RoyK | uncomplicated firewall |
| 19:07.07 | RoyK | exists on debian as well |
| 19:07.09 | m5 | Okay seems lighter already |
| 19:07.10 | RoyK | a bit easier |
| 19:07.27 | m5 | Only specific users though |
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| 19:07.36 | RoyK | m5: better secure your servers - stopping people nmapping it won't help much |
| 19:07.37 | m5 | Ones not in group sudo |
| 19:07.53 | RoyK | you can't stop *users* from nmapping |
| 19:08.07 | RoyK | that thing happens on L3+ |
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| 19:08.22 | m5 | These aren't servers; people gaining access to my server would mean that they can access all ports on all machines on my network |
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| 19:08.38 | m5 | This is a massive security threat with a majority of windows devices |
| 19:09.08 | RoyK | that is, unless you're using 802.1x or something |
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| 19:09.29 | RoyK | m5: then the major threat is that you haven't secured your servers :P |
| 19:09.34 | m5 | -bash: ufw: command not found |
| 19:09.41 | tharkun | m5: Your question is to broad to be of real interest. If your network is so vulnerable, take steps to make it more secure. You can't stop people from messing around. |
| 19:09.43 | m5 | They are innocent computers |
| 19:09.45 | RoyK | apt-get install... |
| 19:09.54 | m5 | I've done that |
| 19:10.16 | RoyK | m5: you can't secure windows servers with ufw or iptables unless there's a linux machine doing the routing |
| 19:10.40 | m5 | SSH is forwarded to the linux machine which makes it the only outside access point to within the private network |
| 19:11.03 | m5 | I'd like to host shells which would mean blocking internal scanning |
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| 19:11.48 | RoyK | m5: rule number one: secure your servers. rule number two: see rule number one |
| 19:12.00 | m5 | Which servers? |
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| 19:12.10 | m5 | This is a normal home network |
| 19:12.12 | RoyK | m5: whatever they're nmapping |
| 19:12.20 | RoyK | m5: then secure those machines |
| 19:12.27 | m5 | I really can't |
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| 19:12.37 | m5 | Parents won't be pleased |
| 19:12.45 | m5 | More so if they are hacked |
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| 19:13.14 | m5 | can I nmap a whole /16 block? |
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| 19:14.21 | m5 | I'll just change the group of nmap execs |
| 19:14.25 | m5 | Hmm |
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| 19:16.45 | richvdh | hi guys. packaging question: is there a way to require that another package be purged before my package can be installed (like Conflicts, only stronger)? Or any suggestions on how to achieve that? |
| 19:17.05 | richvdh | the package in question leaves a config file sitting around which breaks things. |
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| 19:27.57 | niedbalski | Does anybody is able to dput to mentors.debian.org successfully ? |
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| 19:41.36 | Martin__1 | Hi! I downloaded debian-testing-ia64-CD-1.iso. I burned the iso on a dvd as I have done numerous times, but it simply refuses to boot. I cannot even load the iso in virtualbox. |
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| 19:42.21 | Martin__1 | My question is.. what the __ am I doing wrong!? |
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| 19:42.37 | IonCannon218 | so you have an Itanium cpu? |
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| 19:43.22 | Martin__1 | hmm no I don't think so. |
| 19:43.28 | IonCannon218 | you want the amd64 iso |
| 19:43.30 | Martin__1 | IA is itanium only? |
| 19:43.42 | Martin__1 | I thought IA meant Intel Architecture simply. hmm |
| 19:43.47 | IonCannon218 | nope |
| 19:44.03 | IonCannon218 | amd64 works on amd and intel |
| 19:44.07 | Martin__1 | well I guess that explains it. But it certainly isn't an AMD!? |
| 19:44.10 | Martin__1 | hmm ok. wow. |
| 19:44.12 | IonCannon218 | provided the cpu is 64 bit |
| 19:44.20 | Martin__1 | yep, it's 64 bit. |
| 19:44.50 | Martin__1 | well I'm gonna try that. Thanks a lot. |
| 19:45.02 | zinx | amd64 is the instruction set used |
| 19:45.17 | zinx | has nothing to do with who makes the processor (ok, maybe a little, but Intel makes them too ;) ) |
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| 19:49.33 | Colloguy | how do I simulate a name lookup from the cli, for testing purposes? dig unfortunately skips the /etc/hosts file |
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| 19:49.48 | formorer | Colloguy: getent hosts <hostname> |
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| 19:51.47 | Colloguy | how do I make it give me ipv4, instead of ipv6 addresses? |
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| 19:54.41 | Colloguy | getent ahosts <hostname> gives me ipv4 |
| 19:54.55 | Colloguy | formorer: thank you! |
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| 19:56.02 | iagso | I have copied a folder recursively from an ext2 partition which, according to "du -hs" got 350M in size, to vfat formatted usb-memory, where "du -hs" tells it were 412M in size. Is this a normal filesystem specific tradeoff or is something weird going on here? |
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| 19:56.40 | slestak | ive confirmed with strace that my daemoned svnserve cannot read sasl's mux |
| 19:56.44 | BlakeRG | I am suck on the "install and select software" screen during an install. Any way to cancel it out? |
| 19:56.55 | slestak | but i used setfacl to add rw to the user and group, confirmed with getfacl |
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| 19:57.19 | slestak | if i run svnserve at root, it all works well, so it has to be perms |
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| 19:57.48 | slestak | BlakeRG, i seem to remember a cancel option on botht eh text and gui installers |
| 19:58.04 | slestak | is it unresponsive, or you dotn know what to install? |
| 19:58.17 | slestak | m5, see iptables |
| 19:59.53 | dimitry7 | how to monitor BIND response time? |
| 20:00.02 | frostschutz | iagso, could be different block sizes, or sparse files on the ext2, or similar... |
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| 20:01.09 | Slumlord_ | if i started terminal by hitting ctrl alt f1 how can i get back my original desktop screen |
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| 20:01.30 | formorer | Slumlord_: alt-f7 |
| 20:01.39 | Slumlord_ | because when i typed startx and tried running ice weasel said it was already running |
| 20:01.43 | Slumlord_ | thanks i'll try that |
| 20:01.46 | thephpguy2 | ctrl alt f7 should do it |
| 20:02.46 | stevelitt | Slumlord_, what window manager/desktop environment are you using? |
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| 20:03.44 | Slumlord_ | ctrl alt f7 worked thank you |
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| 20:04.09 | Slumlord_ | gnome3 i think |
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| 20:04.54 | Slumlord_ | running debian 7.5.0 wheezy amd64 |
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| 20:05.01 | stevelitt | Slumlord_, It's cool you can start Gnome3 with startx, rather than having to go through the gdm intermediary. |
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| 20:05.20 | Slumlord_ | i did but then i tried to run web browser and etc |
| 20:05.28 | Slumlord_ | said it's already running |
| 20:05.30 | stevelitt | I just put together a dual AMD 4100, 16GB, Debian 7.5 with dwm. |
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| 20:05.40 | dimitry7 | how to monitor BIND response time? |
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| 20:06.30 | furhun | the netinstall has been running for like hours.. still configuring apt :S |
| 20:06.34 | stevelitt | dimitry7, I don't understand your question. You mean bind like the DNS software? |
| 20:07.05 | dimitry7 | stealthii, bind the DNS server, yes. It gets slow sometimes, with some internal sites. |
| 20:07.16 | dimitry7 | stevelitt, bind the DNS server, yes. It gets slow sometimes, with some internal sites. |
| 20:07.31 | dimitry7 | stevelitt, if I access by IP everything goes like a charm |
| 20:07.51 | dimitry7 | stevelitt, so I want to monitor how much seconds it delays to respond on requests. |
| 20:08.03 | dimitry7 | it is runinng on debian 6 btw |
| 20:08.12 | stevelitt | dimitry7, you could use the dig command to get the dns, and use the time command to see how long it takes. |
| 20:08.30 | stevelitt | time dig @my_ip_address domain_name |
| 20:08.35 | iagso | frostschutz: so you think a tradeoff that large is usual? |
| 20:08.35 | dimitry7 | stevelitt, I did and it shows 1 ms or 0 ms |
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| 20:09.04 | dimitry7 | stevelitt, the thing here is that with my linux clients everything goes well... not so with windows clients |
| 20:09.26 | dimitry7 | stevelitt, the proiblem is local... to load google.com or any external site it is OK |
| 20:09.49 | stevelitt | dimitry7, Ah-Ha!!! So either the time is taken by something other than domain to IP conversion, or your Windows machines aren't really using your local BIND. |
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| 20:11.41 | dimitry7 | stevelitt, well If I do for example: nslookup aereo.sistema.mex it does return the right address.... and it always loads the pages... but with a delay sometimes of 10 sec |
| 20:11.48 | m5 | wget -O - http://freedns.afraid.org/dynamic/update.php?********************** returns error |
| 20:11.54 | m5 | But not when I do ./dns |
| 20:11.55 | dimitry7 | aereo.sistema.mex is 192.168.14.254 |
| 20:12.05 | m5 | I think CRON is having issues |
| 20:12.11 | m5 | This happens once an hour |
| 20:12.12 | dimitry7 | if I do http://192.168.14.254 .... it goes PERFECT! |
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| 20:13.30 | dimitry7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.31 | nell | I have a suspicious IP connecting to my computer persistently at startup |
| 20:13.47 | m5 | I guess I want cron to ignore errors |
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| 20:14.10 | nell | I traced the PID which established a connection with port 443 and uses tor daemon |
| 20:14.22 | nell | how do i find out what exactly its doing |
| 20:14.29 | dimitry7 | nell, block it with IPtables |
| 20:14.46 | dimitry7 | iptables -A INPUT -s 12.12.12.12 -j DROP |
| 20:15.25 | nell | i did! |
| 20:15.32 | nell | it's still connected! |
| 20:15.39 | nell | i have a firewall too |
| 20:17.32 | dimitry7 | nell, probably they left a backdoor |
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| 20:17.48 | dimitry7 | could you pastebin how you see it connected? |
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| 20:24.16 | dimitry7 | ora |
| 20:24.21 | dimitry7 | nell, ?? |
| 20:24.26 | dimitry7 | nell, ya? |
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| 20:25.40 | nell | http://pastebin.com/hFuSHbVW |
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| 20:30.03 | ompaul | wow tor existing on two paid for hosts ... now that is a bit sus ;-) |
| 20:30.32 | nell | orport is 443 |
| 20:30.46 | nell | I have a need to know of what it is |
| 20:30.52 | nell | its been persistent |
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| 20:31.14 | ompaul | https |
| 20:31.31 | nell | i have all my browsers closed |
| 20:32.09 | ompaul | and how do you think you move from one part of tor to another - telepathy? |
| 20:32.18 | ompaul | some protocol was used |
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| 20:34.45 | ompaul | nell: less /etc/services |
| 20:34.50 | temhaa | why print log to daemon.log in mysql |
| 20:34.56 | temhaa | I see mysql queries in daemon.log |
| 20:35.01 | temhaa | how shoudl I do |
| 20:35.03 | ompaul | nell: that will tell you any port and it's most likely use - it could be something else |
| 20:37.02 | nell | i already know |
| 20:37.04 | nell | its using 443 |
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| 20:38.56 | ompaul | nell: why your question |
| 20:39.10 | ompaul | ah it's ok |
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| 20:42.06 | nell | its still connected |
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| 20:43.08 | ompaul | nell: kill your tor |
| 20:43.26 | nell | the IP went away |
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| 20:48.09 | nell | how do i blacklist ip's |
| 20:48.12 | nell | is there a program? |
| 20:48.33 | formorer | iptables, route |
| 20:48.43 | pbunny | hi |
| 20:49.08 | pbunny | i'm having some weird dhclient behavior - http://dump.bitcheese.net/texts/afadicy/Plaintext |
| 20:49.28 | pbunny | it receives DHCP OFFER, but does nothing and in the end notifies that no DHCP OFFERs were receiver |
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| 20:49.31 | pbunny | received * |
| 20:49.34 | pbunny | wats going on |
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| 20:51.30 | ompaul | pbunny: it would be nice if you used http://paste.debian.net |
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| 20:52.03 | jmcnaught | nell: as far as i can tell it's your computer making the connection to that remote IP. It's pretty unlikely that the remote IP is able to establish the connection directly to your private IP address |
| 20:52.22 | pbunny | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/plain/106947 |
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| 20:53.11 | ompaul | pbunny: first post lines 7 and 8 tell all - you either don't have a wlan0 or driver for same |
| 20:53.25 | pbunny | ompaul: a typo |
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| 20:53.30 | pbunny | i typed wlan1 next |
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| 20:54.00 | pbunny | obviously dhclient received DHCPOFFER , but in the end claimed it didn;t get one |
| 20:54.03 | pbunny | how is that possible |
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| 20:54.29 | ompaul | well lets see - start with an ifconfig -a |
| 20:54.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | pbunny, manpage says... for the -1 option that there's a timeout for the exchange... |
| 20:55.23 | jmcnaught | nell: if the connection goes away when you stop the tor daemon (the last column in your netstat output is the local process using that connection) then you have the mystery solved. unless of course it wasn't you that installed Tor in the first place |
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| 20:55.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe the "received offer" line is printed, but then that dialog is never finished? |
| 20:55.43 | m5 | Hi |
| 20:55.54 | m5 | Can I make a user that can only run a set of commands? |
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| 20:56.04 | m5 | Like python, cd, rm |
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| 20:56.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | m5, and then what could that user not do on the system writing commands in python? |
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| 20:57.04 | m5 | Well... |
| 20:57.09 | m5 | Doesn't matter |
| 20:57.30 | m5 | Need a concept for things like nmap |
| 20:58.19 | ompaul | so really how do you run selinux is really the question>? |
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| 20:59.03 | MouseTheLuckyDog | I went and toggled off all my services in runlevel 5, then rebooted into runlevel 5 (from grub menu ). I was able to ping google. Since I toggled off networking, why should I be abnle to ping? |
| 20:59.13 | ac_slater | hey guys... sometimes when I work on making .deb packages, I put apt in a weird state. It prompts me to `dpkg --configure -a` ... should I really do this? To me this sounds like it reconfigured things that might not need reconfigured. |
| 20:59.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell MouseTheLuckyDog -about runlevels |
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| 20:59.55 | babilen | MouseTheLuckyDog: You might also manage your networking with something like network-manager, but only you would know |
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| 21:00.48 | ompaul | MouseTheLuckyDog: run bum if you are on stable - I don't know if it runs with jessie / sid |
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| 21:01.04 | mtn | ac_slater: yes, it tells you to do that for a good reason ;) |
| 21:01.15 | ac_slater | mtn: I did --pending instead of -a ... worked ;) |
| 21:01.42 | MouseTheLuckyDog | ompaul. I used sysv-rc-init. Seemed easier to use. |
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| 21:02.35 | mcfrisk | Which tools to try when converting DVD's to mpeg4 for mobile phone? VLC is able to play the dvd but mencoder and mplayer don't find the main movie track.. |
| 21:02.35 | babilen | MouseTheLuckyDog: And you ran insserv and removed them with insserv -r too? |
| 21:02.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell MouseTheLuckyDog -about disable service |
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| 21:06.36 | MouseTheLuckyDog | babilen: Well since I used sysv-rc-conf ( sorry I said init before ) I would think that it would take care of all that. |
| 21:07.10 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Moreover I haven't updraded since I ran the configure. |
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| 21:17.10 | sunbeam | i want to stop some resource taking services on my standard debian webserver, any ideas apart from apache2 and mysql? |
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| 21:26.33 | ompaul | sunbeam: better code, write your own web server and db ... |
| 21:27.12 | ompaul | sunbeam: really you are not expressing the problem as well as you could. Perhaps some sample stats of resources being used and available might help. |
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| 21:28.26 | boxkey | I have two monitors, and i have my taskbar on my primary monitor. When I move a window to my second monitor, the item disappears from my taskbar. How can I make it so that the taskbar displays items from both of my monitors? |
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| 21:51.24 | furhun | why does that happen when apt is unable to locate packages? |
| 21:51.42 | furhun | ?? |
| 21:52.29 | furhun | any1 up? |
| 21:53.11 | dondelelcaro | furhun: why does what happen? |
| 21:53.18 | ompaul | furhun: yes, but your question lacks an error message. |
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| 21:53.56 | furhun | dondelelcaro: I try apt-get install* .. it returns unable to locate package * |
| 21:54.17 | ompaul | furhun: could we have an actual example please. |
| 21:54.20 | furhun | this ive faced numerous times on Ubuntu before but an Update usually used to do the trick... |
| 21:54.24 | dondelelcaro | furhun: what is the precise package you are trying to install, and what is the output of apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy foopkg; |
| 21:54.28 | furhun | ompaul: apt-get install git.. |
| 21:54.31 | furhun | no package is working |
| 21:54.46 | ompaul | furhun: http://paste.debian.net will help |
| 21:54.51 | dondelelcaro | furhun: show us the output of apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy git; |
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| 21:55.21 | hpol | unable to locate package hexchat |
| 21:55.22 | furhun | i used the CD1 iso.. does that help? |
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| 21:56.14 | ompaul | furhun: an exact error message pasted into http://paste.debian.net the output of apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy git might help and no CD1 doesn't |
| 21:56.35 | furhun | http://paste.debian.net/106954 |
| 21:56.51 | furhun | output of apt-cache policy |
| 21:57.20 | dondelelcaro | furhun: you only have cd 1. For whatever reason, when you installed Debian, you didn't select a network mirror. |
| 21:57.26 | furhun | yes |
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| 21:57.33 | dondelelcaro | furhun: add one to /etc/apt/sources.list, and then run apt-get update. |
| 21:57.48 | furhun | how |
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| 21:57.54 | babilen | furhun: You haven't configured the complete set of online repositories. Use http://paste.debian.net/106955/ (or something similar) in lieu of your current /etc/apt/sources.list and run "apt-get update" |
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| 21:58.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell furhun -about wheezy sources.list |
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| 21:58.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell furhun -about wheezy-backports |
| 21:58.35 | babilen | furhun: Adapt that list as you see fit |
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| 21:59.01 | cheapie | I just set up a computer to work as a network gateway. I can access the Internet through it (in fact, I am right now), and I can SSH to it, but it can't access the internet. "ping 8.8.8.8" gives "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted". |
| 21:59.26 | furhun | babilen... how do i add a mirror to the list? |
| 22:00.21 | cheapie | Output of ifconfig and iptables -L: http://pastebin.com/VG51MRa1 |
| 22:01.14 | steppen_wolf | "I can access the Internet through it but it can't access the internet" |
| 22:01.25 | ompaul | cheapie: why did you put in a firewall? |
| 22:01.26 | cheapie | steppen_wolf: Exactly. |
| 22:01.49 | cheapie | ompaul: Because I can't figure out how to set up NAT by hand. |
| 22:02.22 | furhun | Does Debian not have a 'main server'? |
| 22:03.20 | furhun | ?? |
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| 22:03.50 | ompaul | furhun: that is not how it works |
| 22:03.57 | ompaul | distributed networks |
| 22:04.33 | ompaul | cheapie: search for this: echo 1 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward it will get you some networking forwarding going on for a while |
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| 22:04.46 | ompaul | cheapie: search for this: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward it will get you some networking forwarding going on for a while |
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| 22:05.25 | ompaul | cheapie: and kill your firewall as you don't know how to use it yet, go back and add one rule at a time - check it out and then move on to the next one later on |
| 22:05.49 | cheapie | Never mind, I found the problem... |
| 22:05.52 | furhun | babilen: whats this dpkg :O |
| 22:05.55 | ompaul | furhun: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 22:05.58 | cheapie | I uploaded the wrong script. |
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| 22:06.01 | ompaul | furhun: the channel bot |
| 22:06.23 | jasabell1 | hi :) i'm trying to repllace the default vim.tiny package with vim.basic and cant seem to get update-alternatives to do so? |
| 22:06.46 | jasabell1 | sudo update-alternatives --config vi is the command im using |
| 22:07.32 | furhun | ompaul: :O .. thats amazing |
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| 22:09.03 | furhun | what do the other 7 CD images for Debian contain? |
| 22:09.53 | Shadow_7 | furhun: sometimes the repository list(s) doesn't update completely. apt-get install dselect && dpkg --clear-avail && dselect update |
| 22:10.22 | jasabell1 | furhun... more packages |
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| 22:10.45 | Shadow_7 | furhun: then searching via dpkg-query should work. Sometimes debian throws a number at the end of a package. dpkg-query --load-avail -l '*hexchat*' |
| 22:11.22 | Shadow_7 | furhun: more packages.. in decending importance and popularity order |
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| 22:11.27 | furhun | Shadow_7: well have i missed you.. |
| 22:11.59 | furhun | i was trying it all on a vm.. netinst didnt work well... too slow here.. |
| 22:12.28 | Shadow_7 | furhun: distracted trying to get EA games to run in linux. The impossible dream, probably more impossible if I was trying to get them to run in windows |
| 22:12.30 | furhun | so i downloaded the CD1... i think its pretty much everything.. the other disks would contain stuff like mailserver, ssh and stuff? |
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| 22:13.00 | furhun | hahaha :D Shadow_7: only reason y i keep windows is games.. and perhaps PS.. |
| 22:13.11 | jasabell1 | netinst (wheezy 7.5) worked for me in virtualbox for x86 |
| 22:13.13 | Shadow_7 | furhun: the first disc probably has that stuff. The later probably has wm's other than kde or gnome and the gcc compiler |
| 22:13.33 | furhun | no there are separate discs for different DEs.. |
| 22:14.22 | Shadow_7 | furhun: in my case, in browser java games that check on windows version of flash. So I hexedit the libflashplayer.so to report (falsely) the windows version. Works for most games, just not one in particular |
| 22:14.30 | furhun | Shadow_7: first disc didnt really prompt me asking for the network stuff... only teh DE and one mor ething.. |
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| 22:14.49 | furhun | which game are we talking? |
| 22:14.49 | Shadow_7 | kind of sad since it's an old game that probably hasn't received any updates in the past decade beyond, if linux then fail |
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| 22:15.15 | furhun | which game Shadow_7? |
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| 22:15.31 | Shadow_7 | bingo luau at pogo.com. Their forums are uber friendly. Not a supported platform, no refunds |
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| 22:16.18 | furhun | :S .. btw,, i installed icewm on debian.. y are there 2 entries? |
| 22:16.28 | furhun | one says "IceWM" and the other says "icewm" |
| 22:17.04 | Shadow_7 | furhun: the package management system only uses lower case names |
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| 22:17.39 | Shadow_7 | furhun: "exec icewm-session" is the start entry for .xinitrc if you start X in that manner |
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| 22:18.13 | furhun | no.. but why are there two entries in the DE selection menu on the login screen? |
| 22:18.18 | furhun | eh Shadow_7 |
| 22:18.23 | Shadow_7 | If you just going for lightweight then JWM might be slightly better, although more annoying |
| 22:18.56 | Shadow_7 | furhun: idk.. I don't use a display manager |
| 22:19.12 | Shadow_7 | you could probably edit the configs for the display manager |
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| 22:19.26 | furhun | ive used it on tinycore.. it didnt seem appealing.. i like Ice.. i dont usually.. but i like it and it seems a better option than installing lxde since id like to keep gnome or Kde .. |
| 22:19.52 | furhun | i want a lightweight one + gnome or KDE so iceWm would do the trick as i like it too |
| 22:20.00 | Shadow_7 | Ice is nice... but mostly because of the net and cpu meter in the task bar... |
| 22:20.12 | furhun | how is JWM better? |
| 22:20.24 | Shadow_7 | furhun: uses 10MB less ram |
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| 22:20.31 | furhun | ah :D what about flux |
| 22:20.43 | furhun | or openbox (never liked this one) |
| 22:20.57 | Shadow_7 | probably more than ice... I use cwm which is 10MB smaller than jwm... but I have to compile it from source |
| 22:21.29 | furhun | u said u dont use wms :S |
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| 22:21.36 | Shadow_7 | The dwm option is in the repositories and is probably the lightest. But a tiling wm and not that intuitive. |
| 22:21.45 | Shadow_7 | I don't use dm's |
| 22:21.57 | Shadow_7 | as in display managers (aka graphical logins) |
| 22:21.58 | furhun | dms? or DEs? |
| 22:22.01 | furhun | ah.. |
| 22:22.28 | Shadow_7 | mostly because they keep running and keep hogging ram after you've logged in |
| 22:22.30 | furhun | ah.. without DMs can you boot into DEs? (of course) |
| 22:22.36 | furhun | yes i considered that once |
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| 22:22.46 | furhun | i noticed how LightDM caused more lag than gdm |
| 22:22.47 | Shadow_7 | furhun: ofc... the old school way... with startx |
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| 22:23.02 | furhun | yeah Shadow_7: i played with that shit a lot on FreeBSD |
| 22:23.09 | furhun | whats cwm |
| 22:23.11 | furhun | i cant find it |
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| 22:23.29 | Shadow_7 | furhun: a bsd wm, but it has a linux source tarball |
| 22:23.38 | furhun | where can i find it? |
| 22:23.40 | Shadow_7 | albeit not updated since 2009-ish |
| 22:24.08 | furhun | where can i find it Shadow_7? |
| 22:25.07 | Shadow_7 | http://martintoft.dk/?p=cwm |
| 22:25.12 | Shadow_7 | was where I got my sources |
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| 22:25.38 | Shadow_7 | slackware supposedly has cwm in it's repositories. about the only compelling things I've found to use slack |
| 22:25.44 | furhun | ah cwm looks fun.. and perhaps one that often pisses you off when you cant find a damn button |
| 22:26.16 | Shadow_7 | furhun: all hotkeys... cntrl+alt+enter == xterm && cntrl+shift+alt+Q == quit |
| 22:26.42 | furhun | ALL hotkeys? as in everything? |
| 22:26.48 | Shadow_7 | I made a youtube video of it, sort of. As best as one can do on an old laptop |
| 22:27.13 | Shadow_7 | alt + left mouse to move && alt + middle mouse to resize |
| 22:27.33 | Shadow_7 | cntrl + alt + X to close a window |
| 22:28.10 | Shadow_7 | the man page has it all, although bsd terminology. but it's only like 3 pages |
| 22:28.19 | Shadow_7 | on an 80x25 terminal |
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| 22:29.06 | furhun | i gtg.. nice talking to you shadow_7 |
| 22:29.28 | JZA | hi I am having some cron error notifications |
| 22:29.42 | JZA | but I cant even identify the system messages |
| 22:29.43 | JZA | PHP Warning: Module 'curl' already loaded in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 22:31.21 | JZA | I tried going to my cron.daily and looked into apache2 but nothing really led me to believe there was a php related error |
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| 22:56.09 | JZA | how can I get a specific cron rule? |
| 22:56.19 | JZA | I am looking at crontab -l but I got nothing |
| 22:56.36 | JZA | yet I am having an error triggered by this cron rule |
| 22:56.58 | JZA | [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -delete |
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| 22:58.30 | jmcnaught | JZA: there might also be rules in individual files in /etc/cron.d also you should look at /etc/cron.{daily,hourly,monthly,weekly} |
| 22:59.01 | JZA | yeah I looked there |
| 22:59.09 | JZA | couldnt find it |
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| 22:59.32 | JZA | I did a sudo grep -h /etc/cron.{daily..}/* |
| 22:59.41 | JZA | couldnt find any |
| 22:59.58 | jmcnaught | JZA: it's possible that this cron job is owned by a different user? |
| 23:00.13 | JZA | I thought aout that, I did a crontab -l and didnt show any |
| 23:00.38 | JZA | so my guess is root maybe, but I did a /root/.cro... but nothing there |
| 23:00.49 | jmcnaught | JZA: is there anything under /var/spool/cron/crontabs ? |
| 23:02.02 | JZA | yeah I found files there, althought.. nothing really similar to a php command |
| 23:02.19 | JZA | usually find rules |
| 23:02.30 | JZA | ( find /var/www/ -name "*" -type d -exec chmod 2770 "{}" \; ) >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 23:02.41 | JZA | ( find /var/www/ -name "*" -type d -exec chown root:www-data "{}" \; ) >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 23:02.56 | jmcnaught | JZA: use http://paste.debian.net if you want to paste |
| 23:03.02 | JZA | oops ..type f |
| 23:03.14 | JZA | jmcnaught: thanks, well no php5 related rule |
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| 23:04.59 | JZA | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/5477800 here it is |
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| 23:06.32 | jmcnaught | JZA: i just installed PHP5 (libapache2-mod-php5 specifically) in a container and now I have /etc/cron.d/php5 that looks a lot like the "[ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ]..." rule |
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| 23:07.20 | JZA | jmcnaught: aaaah... you are right, how I didnt see it before |
| 23:08.13 | JZA | so why would this rule, generate these PHP warning |
| 23:08.17 | JZA | seems like a package bug |
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| 23:08.35 | jmcnaught | JZA: if you have the package "php5-curl" installed, then you'll also have a /etc/php5/conf.d/20-curl.ini file that loads this module. Is that module also being loaded somewhere else? |
| 23:08.52 | JZA | curl, pdo_pgsql, pgsql, and PDO is affected |
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| 23:09.37 | JZA | yeah I see it |
| 23:09.46 | de--- | Hey I would like to run an application every 10 minutes is there a command line to setup crontab or do i need to modify a conf file somewhere? |
| 23:10.00 | JZA | ok I found it now. |
| 23:10.01 | de--- | -to temporarily run in crontab |
| 23:10.14 | jmcnaught | JZA: have you made any changes to /etc/php5/cli/php.ini perhaps? |
| 23:10.30 | JZA | its /etc/php5/conf.d/10-pdo.ini ... 20-curl.ini 20-pdo_pgsql.ini etc. |
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| 23:11.10 | jmcnaught | de---: that what cron is designed to do |
| 23:11.25 | de--- | ah where is the cron.conf file |
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| 23:11.40 | de--- | maybe crontab -e ill try that |
| 23:11.46 | de--- | bingo |
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| 23:12.33 | JZA | ok I found the bug... is werid |
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| 23:12.48 | jmcnaught | de---: "man 5 crontab" is the manual for that if you need more info |
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| 23:13.04 | JZA | I got /etc/php5/conf.d/10-pdo.ini and /etc/php5/conf.d/pdo.ini |
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| 23:14.10 | de--- | 10 * * * * wget www.test.com /home/path/path |
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| 23:14.15 | de--- | this would wget every 10 minutes right? |
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| 23:15.19 | jmcnaught | de---: that would run every hour on the 10th minute |
| 23:15.36 | de--- | oh boy |
| 23:16.12 | de--- | so 0/10 ? |
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| 23:16.17 | de--- | 0/10 * * * * wget www.test.com /home/path/path |
| 23:16.52 | jmcnaught | de---: i think you want */10 instead of 0/10 |
| 23:17.04 | de--- | thanks let me give that a go |
| 23:17.09 | de--- | :) |
| 23:17.14 | jmcnaught | de---: but it says how to do it in the man page i suggested you read :) |
| 23:17.19 | de--- | im there now :P |
| 23:17.31 | de--- | but its overwhelming ::P |
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| 23:18.03 | jmcnaught | de---: take your time then, reading man pages is how everyone learns |
| 23:18.35 | Shadow_7 | even when you read them in ancient (stargate font)? |
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| 23:48.26 | eqweqw | any idea why this wont work in crontab? */10 * * * * wget /home/me/downloadtest http://www.domain.com |
| 23:48.41 | eqweqw | errr the domain before the path sorry |
| 23:48.45 | eqweqw | bad paste |
| 23:49.12 | eqweqw | */10 * * * * wget http://www.domain.com /home/me/downloadtest |
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| 23:50.15 | Brigo | eqweqw, i think you miss the user |
| 23:50.25 | Brigo | <eqweqw> */10 * * * * <user> wget http://www.domain.com /home/me/downloadtest |
| 23:50.40 | eqweqw | oops |
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| 23:52.10 | davis | i have a second disk which I could fdisk but not mkfs. It says its in use by the system. mount does not show it mounted though. |
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| 23:52.34 | eqweqw | are you sure the user should be there? |
| 23:52.36 | eqweqw | i dont see it in the example |
| 23:53.09 | eqweqw | maybe i need quotes somewhere? |
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