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| 00:03.16 | JZA | ok now I get a different kind of error |
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| 00:05.28 | rsw | im studying man page usage and am stumped on the "section" concept. i run 'man 5 passwd' and it doesn't seem to be different from regular old 'man passwd'. can someone clue me in? |
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| 00:06.23 | rsw | o wow, never mind |
| 00:06.33 | Slumlord_ | ASIX AX88179 driver chipset what is best way to go about installing that? |
| 00:06.44 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys, is there any package for VXFS in debian wheezy? |
| 00:06.53 | Slumlord_ | in debian wheezy 7.5.0 i386 |
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| 00:08.32 | alusion | hey i just cloned my disk |
| 00:08.39 | alusion | and my comp boots straight into grub shell |
| 00:08.41 | alusion | T_T |
| 00:09.14 | rsw | exit |
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| 00:11.44 | Brigo | eqweqw, a running example: 0 * * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/tigercron && { [ -r "$DEFAULT" ] && . "$DEFAULT" ; nice -n$NICETIGER /usr/sbin/tigercron -q ; } |
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| 00:12.42 | Brigo | PhoenixSTF, what's that? |
| 00:13.16 | PhoenixSTF | is there a package for Veritas FileSystem on wheezy I can install and use? |
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| 00:17.13 | Brigo | Slumlord_, i need the pciid. You can get it with lspci -nn (the 8 number between []) |
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| 00:20.47 | alusion | it WHY |
| 00:22.03 | PryMar56 | alusion, you cloned the image to another drive? or within the same box? |
| 00:22.16 | alusion | to another drive |
| 00:22.20 | alusion | and i just booted up my computer |
| 00:22.31 | alusion | and it establishes a connection to port 22 on some foreign address?!!? |
| 00:22.58 | PryMar56 | alusion, sit at terminal and change the uuid to drive path -> /dev/sdaX |
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| 00:24.20 | alusion | my connection establishes an ssh connection to a known spammer IP |
| 00:24.22 | alusion | WTF |
| 00:25.24 | Brigo | alusion, what proccess did it? |
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| 00:25.41 | alusion | shows no process in netstat |
| 00:25.45 | alusion | just establishedc onnection |
| 00:29.27 | dondelelcaro | alusion: is this an image of a machine which was compromised? If so, why are you booting it? |
| 00:29.40 | alusion | idk if its been compromised |
| 00:29.44 | alusion | but its been doing some fishy things |
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| 00:30.26 | alusion | i can tell by the open ports |
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| 00:37.28 | alusion | any idea why my computer |
| 00:37.35 | alusion | establishes a connection to port 22 to a foreign ip |
| 00:37.37 | alusion | near startup |
| 00:38.41 | dondelelcaro | alusion: probably because it has been compromised. Most likely you've got a @reboot or some other cron job which is doing it |
| 00:38.53 | dondelelcaro | alusion: but it could honestly be anything which has been trojaned |
| 00:39.29 | alusion | what should i do |
| 00:39.35 | alusion | im running rkhunter |
| 00:39.37 | alusion | chkrootkit |
| 00:39.39 | alusion | the goods |
| 00:41.03 | jmcnaught | alusion: netstat doesn't show the process owning the connection when you use "-p" ? Also we generally appreciate it if you don't press <enter> so much :) |
| 00:41.31 | alusion | i do netstat -tulpan and i dont see the process owning the connection |
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| 00:53.44 | alusion | how do i find out the process which is establishing the connection |
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| 00:55.55 | alusion | wow |
| 00:56.01 | alusion | Nmap says that port 22 is filtered on my host |
| 00:56.07 | alusion | how did someone manage this?! |
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| 00:56.21 | jmcnaught | alusion: is it an outbound connection? |
| 00:56.26 | alusion | Yes |
| 00:57.01 | jmcnaught | alusion: nmap is probably telling you that inbound connections are filtered |
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| 00:58.23 | alusion | what do I do about this to probe deeper |
| 00:59.02 | jmcnaught | alusion: i'm surprised that "netstat -tulpan" isn't showing you the process ID, it should be the last column. |
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| 00:59.54 | alusion | i did with sudo and it says its oer tor |
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| 01:00.55 | jmcnaught | alusion: that said, if you think this computer is compromised (and the connection in question isn't simply software you've installed without understanding) then you should take it offline immediately. It could be damaging the reputation of your IP address (or those of your neighbours) and causing damage to others computers via DDoS, spam, sending malware etc. |
| 01:01.12 | LtL | alusion: for starters, 'service ssh stop' |
| 01:02.24 | jmcnaught | alusion: the last column of "netstat -tulpan" says "tor"? there's no number beside it? Have you looked at the column headers in netstat's output to see what each one means? |
| 01:03.03 | alusion | 2975 |
| 01:03.12 | alusion | i got a pid |
| 01:03.21 | alusion | should i set up tcpdump and restart the service |
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| 01:03.37 | jmcnaught | alusion: what do get from "ps aux | grep 2975" ? |
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| 01:06.09 | alusion | 115 11386 2.1 0.1 55780 24828 ? S 21:04 0:00 /usr/bin/tor --defaults-torrc /usr/share/tor/tor-service-defaults-torrc --hush |
| 01:06.38 | jmcnaught | alusion: did you install Tor? |
| 01:06.41 | alusion | yes |
| 01:07.02 | alusion | tor is important to me |
| 01:07.12 | alusion | but this is weird behavior |
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| 01:07.57 | jmcnaught | alusion: i'm not a regular user of Tor, but it doesn't surprise me that it might connect to remote hosts on common ports like 22/80/443 etc in an attempt to prevent detection or blocking. |
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| 01:08.34 | jmcnaught | alusion: you might look for a Tor support channel or forum and ask if it's normal for Tor to connect to port 22 |
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| 01:08.55 | alusion | is there a tor support channel |
| 01:09.07 | jmcnaught | alusion: probably |
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| 01:15.08 | zykotick9 | alusion: i "believe" tor has a channel on oftc |
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| 01:18.08 | abrotman | They do |
| 01:18.19 | abrotman | though, OFTC is not accepting Tor connections |
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| 01:20.11 | MouseTheLuckyDog | I use sysv-rc-config to disable all startup scripts at runlevel 5. Then I reboot into 5 from the grub menu. When I log in networking works why? |
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| 01:21.04 | abrotman | MouseTheLuckyDog: did you change the default run level? |
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| 01:22.20 | MouseTheLuckyDog | abrotman, no. What I did was when presented the gtrub menu I added a 5 to the linux line. After I logged in runlevel said "N 5". |
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| 01:24.02 | abrotman | MouseTheLuckyDog: mine says that too .. /etc/inittab disagrees |
| 01:24.42 | MouseTheLuckyDog | abrotman, I'm not clear what you man by change. If you mean run "init 5" then no. I did a shutdown -r and then modified the boot sequence to start at 5. |
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| 01:25.10 | abrotman | i'm saying 'runlevel' may be lying |
| 01:27.13 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Hmm. But if you pass the run level 5 as a kernel option isn't it going to start in 5? |
| 01:27.33 | abrotman | i'm saying 'runlevel' may be lying |
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| 01:27.51 | MouseTheLuckyDog | If runlevel is lying, how do you know what runlevel you are at. |
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| 01:28.46 | abrotman | /etc/inittab says I'm at 2 |
| 01:29.42 | MouseTheLuckyDog | But if you pass the runlevel as a kernel option, then ./etc/inittab does not apply. |
| 01:31.03 | abrotman | That may or may not be true, I'm still saying that my /etc/inittab says 2, the runlevel command says 6 |
| 01:31.06 | abrotman | 5 |
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| 01:33.00 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Hang on I figureout a way to be sure. |
| 01:33.03 | MouseTheLuckyDog | brb |
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| 01:36.14 | zykotick9 | runlevel says "N 2" |
| 01:36.44 | abrotman | zykotick9: using systemd? |
| 01:36.50 | zykotick9 | nope... |
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| 01:37.07 | abrotman | that might be part of it .. not sure |
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| 02:15.04 | IonCannon218 | this channel have 4.3 million lines logged by bot |
| 02:15.14 | IonCannon218 | bah wrong channel |
| 02:15.30 | IonCannon218 | touchpad switched channels by accident |
| 02:15.43 | dvs | !lart IonCannon218 |
| 02:15.43 | dpkg | raises middle finger to IonCannon218 |
| 02:15.48 | dvs | O_O |
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| 02:21.40 | deepblue | how to change the default group of some user? |
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| 02:27.47 | jmcnaught | deepblue: you can modify users including the group with the usermod command. see "man usermod", you're probably most interested in -g and -G options |
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| 02:28.50 | stevelitt | When you revoke an ssh key, does that simply involve deleting the private key? |
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| 02:31.43 | MouseTheLuckyDog | So where are the inittab entries documented? |
| 02:32.00 | jmcnaught | stevelitt: it's probably more important to remove the public key from the authorized_keys file on the remote host. There's also a "RevokedKeys" option you can read about in "man sshd_config" |
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| 02:38.32 | abrotman | MouseTheLuckyDog: man inittab ? |
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| 02:43.13 | ninoho | Yesterday I came here with a problem of not being able to chroot to a filesystem which was rsynced from another the filesystem in another hard drive. It was solved. The problem was that I had rsynced without the symlinks. Hope info this can benefit some people. |
| 02:44.19 | Arahael | ninoho: you will also be missing any extended attributes if you are using any. |
| 02:45.00 | ninoho | what n how important are these? |
| 02:46.04 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Doesn't SELinux use extended attributes? |
| 02:46.30 | ninoho | I don't believe i have selected that option but it works. i have created a bootable backup on a SSD. |
| 02:46.36 | Arahael | i think so - so would be more important in testing. |
| 02:48.56 | ninoho | Now i have a problem with power management. cannot hibernate. from kde, a window pop-up requesting to unlock. when unlocked, system return to normal . fr commandline, with command pm-hibernate, after a few seconds, prompt returned, system continues to run. what's the problem? |
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| 02:52.52 | jmcnaught | ninoho: my system has a /var/log/pm-suspend.log file (i never hibernate) so maybe you could look for problems in /var/log/pm-hibernate.log (or similar, if it exists). Other logs in /var/log might have useful details, syslog in particular. Also do you have a swap partition configured? |
| 02:53.25 | vook | I have some confusion with apt-mark. I've held a few packages, squid3 and squidclient, because they were built and installed manually. However, when I do an aptitude dist-upgrade, it prepares to install squid3. Does aptitude not honor holds that were marked by apt-mark? |
| 02:54.52 | ninoho | jmcnaught: thks for the log info. is swap space critical to hibernate? how big? same as ram size? |
| 02:56.21 | jmcnaught | hibernate puts all the stuff from RAM into swap, so yes it's necessary. I have reading to do, if you still need help later I might be back. good luck :) |
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| 02:57.03 | ninoho | ok. surfing for more info. |
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| 03:02.44 | ninoho | not sure if i have downloaded the right package. i have pm-powersave.log and pm-suspend.log only. i think it was pm-utils. is this the right package for kde? surfing doesn't throw up anything useful. |
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| 03:08.53 | Slumlord_ | learning things here and there about debian thanks for your help today folks |
| 03:10.05 | relipse | How do I get email working on my debian box? |
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| 03:16.50 | vook | relipse: you install a client, such as icedove |
| 03:17.04 | relipse | it is a webserver box |
| 03:17.52 | vook | the process for that may be to elaborate for IRC. There are plenty of docs available. |
| 03:17.55 | vook | !exim |
| 03:17.56 | dpkg | Exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. It is available under the GPL and the current version in Debian is exim4. Ask me about <exim4> <exim boot stall> <exim flush queue> <why exim>. http://www.exim.org/ #exim on irc.freenode.net and irc.oftc.net. |
| 03:18.55 | vook | The debian wiki is probably more helpful: https://wiki.debian.org/Exim |
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| 03:31.47 | ryonaloli | is there a way i can reset the mail config on a debian server to the defaults? the configs are fscked up too badly from multiple people trying to install a bunch of different things on it and several poorly made online guides |
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| 03:37.14 | somiaj | ryonaloli: yes you can revert to default configs, maybe /msg dpkg confmiss would help (this is for if you deleted the config files) |
| 03:37.30 | somiaj | ryonaloli: check the man page for other options |
| 03:38.59 | ryonaloli | somiaj: i've read through the manpages, and about 5 online guides, and got help in #squirrelmail, #dovecot, and #postfix. there must be something i've done wrong, and i think the reason is that the configs were bad from the start (from someone else trying previously to install vmail or something). i'm trying to find out how to reset the configs, not restore them |
| 03:39.06 | ryonaloli | so far it's just very confusing |
| 03:39.43 | somiaj | ryonaloli: check man dpkg, but I think confask is what you need, "confask: If a conffile has been modified always offer to replace it with the version in the package, even if the version in the package did not change." |
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| 03:40.29 | ryonaloli | oh, i should have specified i don't want to overwrite them automagically, i want to be able to see what the changes that have been made are |
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| 03:43.54 | somiaj | I forget what sort of diff is shown by debconf, but confask will ask you if you want to replace a config file with the version from teh package (you can use that with a --reinstall option to force it to ask if youw atn to revert) |
| 03:44.07 | somiaj | I'm unsure if it will give you the option to see the changes, it isn't something I mess with that often |
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| 03:46.56 | ryonaloli | hm, then do you know of any scripts like http://blog.rimuhosting.com/2011/03/08/setup-mail-hosting-on-debian-squeeze/ which work on debian wheezy? |
| 03:47.14 | ryonaloli | when i tried that script after modifying a few things to get it working on wheezy, it just gave me a large amount of mysql errors |
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| 04:09.13 | MACscr | im getting "The current kernel doesn't support the Logical Volume Manager. You may need to load the lvm-mod module." and i just have to manually press enter to continue and then everything is fine during a pxe install of debian wheezy. I understand how to figure out dbconf options for installing packages with confirmation options, etc, but no idea how I find out what they are for installs |
| 04:09.33 | MACscr | this issue didnt come up until recently. my preseed was working fine before |
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| 04:38.46 | alusion | i backed up my package.list |
| 04:38.49 | alusion | and im trying to restore |
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| 04:39.11 | alusion | sudo dpkg --set-selections > ~/package.list |
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| 04:39.26 | alusion | sudo dpkg --get-selections < package.list |
| 04:39.42 | alusion | does that look correct? I also installed dselect [not sure how to use it] |
| 04:39.51 | alusion | I want to restore all my installed packages |
| 04:40.24 | alusion | reinstalled onto a new debian install. I have copied my home directory and will rsync /etc [already backed up etc/fstab] after |
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| 04:42.54 | alusion | it says warning, found unknown packages, might mean available database is outdated or need to be updated through frontend method |
| 04:42.58 | alusion | i did update tnho |
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| 04:56.20 | jmcnaught | alusion: were there additional repos in the old install that are not in your sources.list on the new install? |
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| 05:45.18 | Gear_ | I installed kali |
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| 05:45.31 | Gear_ | this is gnome 3 right? |
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| 05:45.54 | Gear_ | it's been optimised or something, there is all the shit missing from wheezy |
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| 05:47.31 | sdvsdvsdv | Hello, I am running Debian Wheezy and want to install the 3d driver for: |
| 05:47.33 | sdvsdvsdv | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV25 [GeForce4 Ti 4200] (rev a3) |
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| 05:48.51 | sdvsdvsdv | How do I do that?, or might I be able to do that? |
| 05:50.07 | sdvsdvsdv | Are there multiple ways of doing that? |
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| 05:51.04 | kalt | Help.. I'm using Wheezy 7.5 with stock kernel, trying to make hard cpu percentage limit using cgroups. I think I need to use "cpu.cfs_period_us" or "cpu.cfs_quota_us" or "cpu.rt_period_us" or "cpu.rt_runtime_us", but my /sys/fs/cgroup doesnt have any of these features, only cpu.shares. Whats wrong with my Debian? How to enable cgroup CFS thing? |
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| 05:54.02 | sdvsdvsdv | I need to go for a little, but what ever what I want isn't pressing by any means. |
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| 05:54.59 | somename | Is it possible to format a usb drive in Debian KDE? |
| 05:55.19 | somename | Or even delete the files? |
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| 05:57.19 | kalt | somename: yes, plug it in and KDE will make a popup window for file exprorer. |
| 05:57.30 | kalt | *explorer |
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| 06:28.19 | mariok | hi everybody |
| 06:28.31 | SirLagz | hi |
| 06:29.32 | mariok | How can I configure a default Desktop environment and default language for gdm3 |
| 06:29.46 | mariok | I was looking for that setting but I didn't find it |
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| 06:34.05 | david_ | hello all, is this the main debian channel? |
| 06:34.46 | nkuttler | david_: kinda, yes. the official one is on oftc though |
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| 06:35.31 | david_ | well which one has more active users? |
| 06:35.45 | nkuttler | this one |
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| 06:36.12 | david_ | okay good to know thanks. |
| 06:36.28 | david_ | just installed this distro for first time so.... |
| 06:36.40 | kalt | How to enable cgroup CPU CFS scheduler or RT scheduler on Debian Wheezy? |
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| 06:38.37 | david_ | how do I install sudo and get it to work on debian. i ran aptitue install sudo so far but i think theres more to it. |
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| 06:39.16 | formorer | david_: add yourself to the sudo group or edit /etc/sudoers (with visudo) |
| 06:40.21 | david_ | whats viduso and how do i use it? |
| 06:40.34 | david_ | visudo** |
| 06:40.43 | formorer | visudo. it spawns an editor to edit the sudoers file in a safe way |
| 06:40.53 | david_ | o ok |
| 06:41.09 | nkuttler | david_: see also man visudo and man 5 sudoers |
| 06:41.13 | formorer | but with the defaul sudo configuration in debian, adding yourself to the sudo system group should be enough |
| 06:41.44 | formorer | for everything else see: man sudoers |
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| 06:43.47 | david_ | when i type visudo /etc/sudoers |
| 06:43.54 | formorer | no. |
| 06:43.56 | formorer | just visudo |
| 06:44.39 | david_ | oooo, i was thinking like, nano configfilename ect.. |
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| 06:48.42 | david_ | Just want to make sure I do this right. never had to conif sudo on my own. But what do I need to add to this file exactly? |
| 06:49.10 | formorer | I don't know. I have no idea what you want to achieve |
| 06:49.56 | david_ | just to be able to use sudo as in sudo apt-get ect... |
| 06:50.11 | formorer | let me cite myself: |
| 06:50.12 | formorer | 08:41 <formorer> but with the defaul sudo configuration in debian, adding yourself to the sudo system group should be enough |
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| 06:53.56 | mariok | I want to have the gdm greeter and my desktop sessions in german but the rest of the system in english |
| 06:54.28 | mariok | so the startup (services, etc) should still remain in english but the user sessions of my users should be german (by default) |
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| 06:54.32 | mariok | how to setup this? |
| 06:55.11 | mariok | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 06:55.44 | mariok | ^^^ here I can change the whole system to a preferred language so that is not exactly what I want to do |
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| 07:07.20 | mms_ | hi I installed debian, gnome on netbook. for apps when I open certain dialogs like in iceweasel or chrome they are too big. I cannot even see the bottom of dialog. how to fix ? |
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| 07:10.45 | _u2pop_ | hello all |
| 07:10.56 | _u2pop_ | sorry my little stupid question hehe |
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| 07:11.05 | tema_linux_r | Hello |
| 07:11.08 | _u2pop_ | what is the command for show all the usb disk ? |
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| 07:11.21 | vak0160 | lsusb ? |
| 07:11.37 | Arahael | mms_: frankly i would avoid gnome, you can use alt whike dragging to select any point of the window to drag it but gnome goes out of its way to ensure that the titlebar is visible. |
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| 07:11.44 | Wulf | _u2pop_: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 07:12.58 | _u2pop_ | i am using a virtualbox and running debian |
| 07:13.03 | mms_ | Arahael: not sure but in iceweasel I opened preference and its too big and I cannot see bottom of it. I cannot even drag it using ALT+drag |
| 07:13.36 | _u2pop_ | and i have a mini hard drive IDE with special cable USB and have 60GB |
| 07:13.45 | _u2pop_ | but dont showup the HDD on there :/ |
| 07:13.45 | mms_ | Arahael: I mean I can move it left rigth but cannot reduce its size so I can see it on screen the bottom |
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| 07:14.08 | Arahael | mms_: blame gnome for stupidly preventing you from moving it up. |
| 07:14.28 | mms_ | Arahael: so no way to fix it ? |
| 07:14.58 | mms_ | I have guess what button I click by tabbing |
| 07:15.09 | Arahael | mms_: not that i know of - either raise it |
| 07:15.41 | Arahael | as an issue with gnomr or firefox. or give up and use a different desktop environment, such as xfce4. |
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| 07:15.49 | mms_ | also in display I see only one resolution....I thought it might fix with that...but... |
| 07:16.44 | Arahael | mms_: xorg tends to be pretty good at selecting thenoptimal resolution. |
| 07:16.56 | Arahael | *the optimal |
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| 07:18.54 | mms_ | I thought gnome was standard and others might be bit fancy |
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| 07:20.34 | Arahael | mms_: there is a lot of history there behind that choice. :) |
| 07:20.45 | zxcvbn | _u2pop_: is it shown in "dmesg | tail"? |
| 07:21.03 | nurupo | ␡␡␡␡ |
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| 07:23.04 | nurupo | _u2pop_: you need go into VM's Settings -> USB and add your USB devices there |
| 07:24.02 | nurupo | you also might need to install VirtualBox Extension Pack on your host to add support of USB2.0 in VirtualBox |
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| 07:25.09 | colonolGron | hi |
| 07:25.56 | colonolGron | trying to install debian on an external harddrive on a macbook pro retina. getting "conflicting fb hw usage noevaufb vs simple - removing generic driver" when trying to boot. can someone help? |
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| 07:27.06 | babilen | colonolGron: Is that an Optimus system? |
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| 07:28.12 | colonolGron | babilen: it has an NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M and Intel HD Graphics 4000 |
| 07:29.12 | colonolGron | didnt read Optimus anywhere but not totally sure |
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| 07:30.34 | babilen | colonolGron: That sounds like an Optimus system. You *might* need a newer Xorg version for all that (in particular the higher dpi on the retina systems), but you should take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 07:30.54 | babilen | colonolGron: Could you show me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" please? |
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| 07:31.07 | colonolGron | babilen: maybe i should add that i used the testing dvd to install the system |
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| 07:32.22 | zxcvbn | How to enable cgroup CPU CFS scheduler or RT scheduler on Debian Wheezy? Doesnt work on stock kernel. |
| 07:32.33 | babilen | colonolGron: Ah, that might or might not be broken at any given time (more frequently broken than not) -- testing is generally support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) -- Which version of the testing installer did you use? Do you get the installer to boot at all or is that exactly the error that prevents you from starting the installer to begin with? |
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| 07:32.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell zxcvbn -about rt |
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| 07:33.30 | colonolGron | babilen: i successfully installed the system, i get this error when trying to boot into the fresh installed system |
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| 07:33.51 | colonolGron | babilen: i used it because i thought testing will have newer kernel and so on, and because of that higher probability to work with the macbook |
| 07:34.02 | babilen | colonolGron: Okay, can you disable one of those cards? (in whatever your macbook presents as BIOS equivalent) |
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| 07:34.26 | babilen | colonolGron: Okay, but still: Which version of the installer did you use? |
| 07:34.32 | furhun | what advantages does FreeBSD debian offer over Linux? |
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| 07:35.54 | colonolGron | babilen: i am not sure the iso is named: debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso which i downloaded at 20th of june |
| 07:35.57 | babilen | furhun: Ask #FreeBSD, but ZFS and pf come to mind |
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| 07:36.25 | babilen | colonolGron: Okay, that looks like a daily or weekly |
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| 07:37.00 | furhun_ | no u dont get it.. Debian offers both freeBSD and Linux.. babilen |
| 07:38.05 | babilen | furhun: You are referring to Debian/kFreeBSD and not FreeBSD in that case. My understanding was that that project is pretty dead, but ask in #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. The advantages remain the same though. |
| 07:38.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell furhun about kfreebsd |
| 07:38.44 | furhun_ | dpkg: tell babilen about x |
| 07:38.46 | mariok | How can I configure a default Desktop environment and default language for gdm3 |
| 07:38.50 | furhun_ | ^is it working babilen? :D |
| 07:39.24 | babilen | furhun_: There is no need to ask the bot to tell me about x. Please refrain from doing that, ta :) |
| 07:39.42 | furhun_ | haha was playing with it.. :D |
| 07:39.51 | babilen | colonolGron: So, can you disable the nvidia card? |
| 07:40.05 | colonolGron | babilen: i try to find out how :) |
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| 07:40.12 | furhun_ | anyways, yesterday Shadow_7 told me about some BOOTSTRAP install for debian... he sent a link which i happen to have lost... |
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| 07:40.49 | babilen | colonolGron: Well, booting into the system (rescue mode, live cd, ...) and getting the bumblebee stuff installed might be a good thing. You still haven't shown me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" though. |
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| 07:41.56 | colonolGron | babilen: i am on osx right now, so now lspci. however i did a full lspci one time and copied it to a file, here it is: http://bpaste.net/show/ZmqD003KBjODBmZpgA3P/ |
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| 07:43.25 | babilen | colonolGron: Unfortunately that does not include the pciid which is an alphanumerical identifier. I would still assume that that is an optimus system |
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| 07:48.57 | colonolGron | babilen: i found a tool which is supposed to turn one card of, was going to reboot to try it |
| 07:49.24 | colonolGron | but not someone told me it works only inside osx and there doesnt seem a way to turn one card of in efi. strange. however i will reboot and try if the tool worked or not |
| 07:49.59 | colonolGron | so if it doesnt, i should try to install bumblebee right? |
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| 07:50.24 | colonolGron | however, how to install it without being able to boot into the system? |
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| 08:01.13 | Iridos | jhutchins, tsk, tsk, tsk... and for your curiosity... intel :P |
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| 08:02.22 | arven | is there a way to rebuild the entire debian repository, or a subset of it, with specified -march and -mtune options? |
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| 08:03.37 | babilen | colonolGron: You will have to boot into the system. You can boot into the rescue system (that might work) or chroot from a live cd (cf. first part of instructions in "/msg dpkg fixmbr") |
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| 08:05.36 | colonolGron | thanks babilen, i will try it |
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| 08:11.55 | Pheimors | hi guyz, I'm installing debian via usb (cp debian-7.5.0-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdd;sync and boot) on an eeepc 701 (not sure 701, but old one) |
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| 08:12.29 | Pheimors | image is good (checked the hash) but I got file:///cdrom/pool/.../libc6*.deb was corrupt |
| 08:12.43 | Pheimors | pretty strange, I'm on a usb key, not cdrom |
| 08:12.50 | Pheimors | any hint on this please ? |
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| 08:15.26 | frostschutz | Pheimors, cmp debian.iso /dev/sdd says eof on debian.iso, and the hash of the debian.iso itself is the correct one? then that leaves memory error, or erratic usb, I guess? |
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| 08:16.20 | Shadur | Yeah, if you got that far before you get an error I'm thinking b0rk memory card. |
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| 08:18.45 | Pheimors | ok, different hashes |
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| 08:19.05 | Pheimors | you think my usb key is broken ? |
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| 08:19.58 | Shadur | Try using dd rather than cp to put the image on the stick. |
| 08:20.16 | Pheimors | I use to use dd, but I followed the debian wiki |
| 08:20.25 | mms_ | I have network-manager-gnome and it connects to a wifi network but keeps dropping with error "activation of network connection failed" |
| 08:20.28 | Shadur | Probably shouldn't make a difference but we're already in "should be working but isn't" territory, so. |
| 08:20.43 | Pheimors | kind of :) |
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| 08:36.06 | pupil | hello guys |
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| 08:39.07 | aborrero | hi there |
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| 08:40.07 | pupil | is there any convention about reading or writing man page? |
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| 08:43.46 | OpenTokix | pupil: yes, when you write tham - make sure you cram in as much possible generic info and abbrevations as possible in just one example. Think about it "I want ti encrypt the usage" |
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| 08:45.06 | pupil | is there any special rule about how to read the } ] | , etc?? |
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| 09:03.19 | peetaur2 | pupil: yes but not sure where to point you to ;) { } something required ... | is an or [ ] is optional | can go in either |
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| 09:23.33 | colonolGron | i dint know that the "debian-testing" iso install xfce when i select "Desktop", how can i remove all xfce stuff and install gnome3? |
| 09:23.59 | mjt | apt-get install gnome? |
| 09:24.31 | colonolGron | i doubt that will remove xfce and all its programs like their terminal emulator and so on |
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| 09:24.41 | some-cowbell | except then you'd have both... removing multiple packages is iffy |
| 09:25.01 | colonolGron | so i need to do a fresh install if i want this? |
| 09:25.04 | some-cowbell | the closest is if you could remove common libs |
| 09:25.29 | some-cowbell | that would be one way (an extreme action, but it is a way) |
| 09:25.29 | colonolGron | should i use the mini install and then install gnome by myself or can i select it somwhere in the installer i used? i didnt see it |
| 09:26.06 | some-cowbell | I guess gnome isn't one of the "task"s |
| 09:26.08 | mjt | if you just remove xfce metapackage it should autoremove all other stuff |
| 09:26.28 | some-cowbell | that works? |
| 09:27.14 | some-cowbell | if it does, it works because then the packages that were "automatically installed due to dependencies" would get removed |
| 09:27.30 | mjt | that's exactly why it works |
| 09:27.47 | some-cowbell | this would require that they got flagged as such when they were installed |
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| 09:27.59 | mariok | hi again. |
| 09:28.13 | some-cowbell | hi for first time. |
| 09:28.36 | colonolGron | and is xfce standard only in the testing installer? |
| 09:29.00 | colonolGron | its the first time i use another iso than netinst, normally i only did a minimal instalation |
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| 09:30.22 | some-cowbell | colonolGron: so in order for this to work, the packages would have to be flagged as "autoinstalled" during original install process. if this is the case, you're golden |
| 09:30.35 | colonolGron | i will try it some-cowbell |
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| 09:31.00 | some-cowbell | , info xfce-task |
| 09:31.01 | judd | No package named 'xfce-task' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 09:31.10 | some-cowbell | what's it called? |
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| 09:32.21 | some-cowbell | colonolGron: it's the task package that you probably want to try removing... and, you probably want to do it from one of the consoles (not from a terminal under X) |
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| 09:37.25 | colonolGron | erm, gnome doesnt have a preferences thing for the font size? o_O |
| 09:37.33 | colonolGron | couldnt find one, will install lxappearance |
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| 09:38.10 | trewas | colonolGron: I think it is in gnome-tweak-tool, which might not be installed by default |
| 09:38.15 | some-cowbell | the "lx" may be suggestive of a different DE called lxde |
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| 09:40.43 | colonolGron | thanks trewas :) |
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| 09:52.39 | L0aD1nG | Good Morning Everyone! |
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| 09:54.58 | skribblezatcha | good morning L0aD1nG. |
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| 09:56.26 | L0aD1nG | hello dude.. |
| 09:56.39 | skribblezatcha | how are you doing L0aD1nG? |
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| 09:58.53 | L0aD1nG | good man...I met 4 spanish erasmus girls yesterday at midnight, that erasmus is so nice thing. |
| 09:59.06 | L0aD1nG | and you? |
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| 10:02.34 | SynrGy | L0aD1nG, skribblezatcha: while it's nice to know some people on irc have social lives, and certainly i don't fault you for being friendly, please stick to support here and take social chat off-channel. tnx |
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| 10:03.52 | L0aD1nG | SunrGy : Ofc man.But right now noone was in need of support.But either way you are right. |
| 10:04.40 | SynrGy | still, helpers are constantly scanning the backlog for actual support questions. filling it with social interactions diminishes our ability to do our job |
| 10:05.12 | SynrGy | thanks for your understanding |
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| 10:07.43 | skribblezatcha | understood. |
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| 10:15.08 | anton02 | how do you descend down all directories from the current directory and run make on the makefile in that directory called Makefile.linux64 |
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| 10:24.16 | ksk | find . -name Makefile.linux64 -exec make {} \; |
| 10:24.23 | ksk | try with an "echo" before the make, first. |
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| 10:40.29 | mms_ | hi my wifi connnection keeps disconnecting with error that "No probe response from AP <addr> after 500ms, disconnecting" |
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| 11:18.22 | jojoa1997 | is there a command that can undelete a folder that was deleted by rm? |
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| 11:20.10 | Iridos | jojoa1997, you cannot delete directories with rm (except as part of a recursive delete) |
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| 11:20.39 | jojoa1997 | yeah i did rm -r |
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| 11:20.53 | Iridos | if your real questions was "can I undelete a file" |
| 11:20.59 | Iridos | or several files... |
| 11:21.04 | ksk | answer is: no |
| 11:21.07 | jojoa1997 | actually |
| 11:21.07 | Iridos | the answer is a clear "maybe" |
| 11:21.40 | Iridos | it depends on the filesystem used... also SSD behave differently than spinning hard-disks |
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| 11:22.08 | jojoa1997 | can i undelete a folder and a set of files that were deleted using "rm -r"? |
| 11:22.20 | jojoa1997 | is that a better way to ask it? |
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| 11:22.34 | jojoa1997 | also it is a spinning hard dislk |
| 11:22.42 | sveta | yes, search 'undelete <filesystem name such as ext4>' on the web for solutions or give the fs name to the channel |
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| 11:22.48 | Iridos | a bit... :) I also gave you the answer... it depends on the filesystem you use |
| 11:23.12 | Iridos | and SSD seem to erase stuff to prepare for the next write |
| 11:25.03 | Iridos | jojoa1997, df -h /place/to/files shows you the mount point on the left ... mount |grep mount-point (where mount-point is what you got from df) says something like /dev/bla on /home type ext4 (...bla) |
| 11:25.14 | Iridos | jojoa1997, "ext4" is the filesystem on the disk |
| 11:25.29 | jojoa1997 | ok thank you |
| 11:25.31 | Iridos | jojoa1997, you need root access to the system to undelete anything at all |
| 11:25.36 | jojoa1997 | i can test that in a bit |
| 11:25.42 | jojoa1997 | k |
| 11:25.43 | Iridos | well, you should hurry |
| 11:25.51 | jojoa1997 | the computer is off |
| 11:25.53 | Iridos | things can get overwritten by new stuff any time |
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| 11:26.00 | Iridos | well, not while it's off :P |
| 11:26.30 | Iridos | dpkg, undelete |
| 11:26.31 | dpkg | Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext3/ext4, ask me about <ext4magic>, <ext3grep>. For ext2 *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the filesystem, and select "Undelete files" from menu. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. See also <photorec>, <fatback>. |
| 11:26.53 | jojoa1997 | When i shutdown Debian it goes through the process and then seems to hang on something |
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| 11:27.05 | jojoa1997 | and will not finish |
| 11:27.35 | jojoa1997 | Atm I am loading debian so i can get the final messages it sends and will paste them |
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| 11:29.54 | yekwol | hellow; how can I manipulate network starting scripts to start near the end of booting process? |
| 11:30.26 | dym | Hey everyone. Im running a raspberry pi with fluxbox on a 23" widescreen and i cannot seem to maximize the resolution. http://drop.openroot.de/Qg9v/4zBpZuaO |
| 11:30.29 | dym | anyone got an idea? |
| 11:31.00 | yekwol | somehow openvswitch is started via /etc/network/if-pre-up.d .. and does some writing to /run .. which at that point is not tmpfs |
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| 11:33.46 | Selfarian | Hi |
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| 11:35.21 | Selfarian | i'm using mysql-server and i changed the user with which the database-server runs in my /etc/mysql/my.cfg file. But now, when i run aptitude upgrade to upgrade my mysql-server, it tries to chown all files in /var/lib/mysql to the "default" user, which is normally set. Is there a way to prepend it? |
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| 11:39.25 | some-cowbell | Selfarian, to make this a global change, you'll need to have a (polite) conversation with the maintainer, mostly to see if he agrees that the mysqld should run as a different user. What user did it run as when you installed it, and what user did you change it to? |
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| 11:41.14 | Selfarian | the default user is mysql i changed it to use an ldap user "dbuser" |
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| 11:41.52 | some-cowbell | is this user also a unix (aka in /etc/passwd) user? |
| 11:43.05 | Selfarian | i think, it's not in the local passwd file... only visible with getent passwd |
| 11:43.21 | Selfarian | but i'm unsure, system hangs atm on the upgrade process, need to wait for more output ;) |
| 11:43.58 | some-cowbell | so ldap has been added to your pam setup? |
| 11:44.51 | Selfarian | yes |
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| 11:46.14 | some-cowbell | all that stuff should work, but the packaging probably didn't accomodate an ldap superuser. is this "default" user that you mention called mysql? if so, the packaging probably has this user hard wired |
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| 11:46.52 | some-cowbell | it's going to take some work to get the packaging to cooperate |
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| 11:47.55 | some-cowbell | if you do decide to talk to the maint, you might ask what else depends on "mysql" being the superuser |
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| 11:49.16 | Selfarian | okay |
| 11:49.24 | some-cowbell | especially what other packages would be hardwired to use user "mysql" |
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| 11:50.10 | some-cowbell | I'd also like to invite you to look at postgresql for new projects |
| 11:50.17 | PhoenixSTF | hello guys, what does one needs to do to push a new software into debian official repo? |
| 11:50.42 | formorer | a package, a maintainer and someone with upload permissions |
| 11:50.50 | some-cowbell | you need to be a debian maint or have one who is willing to push for you |
| 11:51.24 | some-cowbell | the only way you could push yourself is to be a debian maint |
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| 11:52.46 | pfote | +1 for the postgres recommendation |
| 11:53.00 | PhoenixSTF | ok well I am thinking in maitaining a package of a php compiled C framework |
| 11:53.42 | some-cowbell | see if you can find a maint who is willing to act as sponsor |
| 11:54.16 | some-cowbell | you mean like c funcs that are bound to php calls? |
| 11:54.31 | some-cowbell | or other way around |
| 11:55.35 | PhoenixSTF | C funcs bound to php calls, that is correct, its called phanconphp |
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| 11:55.47 | PhoenixSTF | *phalconphp, its open source |
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| 11:56.51 | some-cowbell | so the way it works, is you tell php to load phalconphp, and then you have additional php commands? |
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| 11:57.33 | abrotman | dpkg: tell PhoenixSTF about nmg |
| 11:57.37 | abrotman | dpkg: tell PhoenixSTF about mentors |
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| 11:58.13 | PhoenixSTF | some-cowbell, adicional commands, classes, routing, ORM, validations etc.... |
| 11:59.07 | some-cowbell | ok, so you would need to learn a bunch of stuff about package maintaining |
| 11:59.41 | PhoenixSTF | some-cowbell, it for big projects and organizes code in a MVC kind of way, since it is compiled it is very fast and low memory |
| 11:59.56 | some-cowbell | to the point (at least) you can get a working set of packages installable (and removable) |
| 12:00.07 | PhoenixSTF | some-cowbell, ok I am up for it, where should I start? |
| 12:00.26 | some-cowbell | someone got dpkg to msg you |
| 12:00.36 | some-cowbell | take a look at those |
| 12:00.39 | PhoenixSTF | oh yes its here |
| 12:01.00 | some-cowbell | it's a lot of stuff, just saying |
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| 12:01.54 | mms_ | I am compiling linux kernel 3.15 ...for broadcom network wifi driver do I need to choose any thing in menuconfig ? |
| 12:02.43 | some-cowbell | either everything needed to mount / or else enough to support initrandisks |
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| 12:03.15 | abrotman | PhoenixSTF: please see what the bot told you, those are great places to start |
| 12:03.58 | PhoenixSTF | some-cowbell, I got this far with a lot of stuff in less then 4 years and I knew nothing about Linux, I still do not know that much but always eager to learn :) |
| 12:04.02 | PhoenixSTF | abrotman, thanks :) |
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| 12:05.24 | some-cowbell | I am running 3.2.0-4-amd64, I want to run fglrx, and I notice I do have it, but it's in /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/nonfree/fglrx... that isn't going to work is it? |
| 12:05.50 | abrotman | why not? |
| 12:05.52 | abrotman | oh .. no |
| 12:06.00 | abrotman | dpkg: tell some-cowbell about fglrx |
| 12:06.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell some-cowbell about fglrx dkms |
| 12:06.12 | some-cowbell | thanks, I'll look at that |
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| 12:06.37 | some-cowbell | the dkms, that's a package system? |
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| 12:08.13 | mms_ | does the menuconfig make correct guess based on hardware already ? |
| 12:08.13 | xormor | why does my Mobile Internet always get cut off and reconnected, or cut off altogether and need the stick to be removed and re-entered? I am using Debian 7.5 stable, updated and upgraded. |
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| 12:08.26 | mms_ | I have not changed any thing in it and saved it |
| 12:08.32 | Wanaoishi | Hi I have a problem with /tmp and nginx |
| 12:08.42 | some-cowbell | mms, no, you have to pick what you want |
| 12:08.45 | Wanaoishi | "Failed to remove file /tmp/symfony/cache/dev/jms_diextra/metadata/JMS-TranslationBundle-Controller-TranslateController.cache.php" |
| 12:09.03 | Wanaoishi | is there a way to chmod definilty /tmp to 777 |
| 12:09.07 | Wanaoishi | ? |
| 12:09.15 | ksk | Wanaoishi: you probably want to set a temp-path for nginx where he can write stuff |
| 12:09.23 | ksk | that would be the cleaner solution |
| 12:09.32 | some-cowbell | Wanaoishi: I think you want 2777 |
| 12:09.35 | Wanaoishi | I am on a vagrant machine |
| 12:10.01 | Wanaoishi | some-cowbell: yes |
| 12:10.23 | Wanaoishi | ksk: I can change the directory but it will be a nfs share which will slow my vagrant a lot |
| 12:10.27 | some-cowbell | show us ls -ld /tmp |
| 12:10.43 | Wanaoishi | drwxrwsrwx 3 root root 4096 Jun 27 12:09 /tmp |
| 12:10.54 | ChrisH | Wanaoishi,some-cowbell tmp should be 1777 |
| 12:10.55 | some-cowbell | ok, it's already 2777 |
| 12:10.57 | Wanaoishi | I have down a chmod 2777 but it will only be temporary |
| 12:11.00 | some-cowbell | 1? |
| 12:11.26 | Wanaoishi | I am looking for a way to keep that on reboot |
| 12:11.30 | ChrisH | sure. drwxrwxrwt 197 root root 28672 Jun 27 14:11 /tmp/ |
| 12:11.30 | some-cowbell | oh, is 1777 rwxrwxrwt? |
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| 12:11.38 | Wanaoishi | yes |
| 12:11.51 | some-cowbell | yeah, that's what you want, not 2 |
| 12:12.02 | some-cowbell | 2 is sgid bit |
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| 12:13.39 | ChrisH | Wanaoishi: even if /tmp has 1777 its expected that only the owner is allowed to remove his own files (or root) |
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| 12:14.40 | Wanaoishi | yes that would be perfect |
| 12:14.45 | xormor | why does my Mobile Internet work badly? I am using "Saunalahti Internet Provider" and Debian 7.5 stable, updated and upgraded. |
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| 12:14.51 | Wanaoishi | as files are created by nginx |
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| 12:20.45 | mjt | my provider enabled ipv6 so now my machine has v6 default route, but not real v6 addresses (only link-local). But many apps started trying to connect using v6, and obviously fail. How to quickly disable v6? |
| 12:20.58 | Wulf | rmmod ipv6 |
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| 12:21.17 | mjt | Wulf: have you actually tried it? |
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| 12:21.39 | Dagger2 | wait, why would they try to use v6 without addresses? |
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| 12:21.48 | mjt | no idea |
| 12:21.54 | abrotman | formorer: Did you see Yahoo Groups changed their From headers? |
| 12:22.09 | Dagger2 | getaddrinfo() will sort v6 records below v4 records, so it'll only try v6 after v4 fails |
| 12:22.10 | formorer | abrotman: no I don't use yahoo groups. |
| 12:22.13 | formorer | abrotman: *shiver* |
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| 12:22.26 | Wulf | mjt: are you sure that you have a route but no address? |
| 12:22.27 | abrotman | formorer: I meant relating to Debian mailing lists, I don't use them either :) |
| 12:22.41 | Wulf | mjt: if I now tried, I'd be disconnected from irc ;) |
| 12:22.45 | abrotman | formorer: http://yahoogroups.tumblr.com/post/85163779041/dmarc-related-changes-in-yahoo-groups |
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| 12:23.49 | formorer | abrotman: that post is yahoo groups specific, I don't see where is applys to debian |
| 12:24.15 | formorer | and the shitstorm in the comment is very enlightening |
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| 12:24.23 | abrotman | formorer: It was more about someone trying to change the way their mailing list works to be dmarc friendly .. not specifically Debian related |
| 12:24.33 | formorer | like: "Having major email issues. Replies going to entire group even though setting set for reply to sender." |
| 12:24.54 | formorer | "When a member replies to a post, the email no longer shows who made the reply. This is not good. " |
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| 12:25.11 | formorer | "And this is entirely the wrong thing to do, since the GROUP IS NOT THE SENDER; all it is doing is relaying the message" and a lot more. |
| 12:25.25 | mjt | my isp - they run radvd somewhere (probably some equipment) which advertises routes, but don't assign real addresses |
| 12:25.28 | abrotman | I can read them .. Just sharing :) |
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| 12:26.42 | mjt | Wulf: once ipv6 module is loaded, you can't unload it without rebooting. And it is loaded automatically as a dependency of some other modules. And more, in debian kernels (iirc) it is built-in. |
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| 12:28.22 | mms_ | does make menuconfig make good guess based on hardware ? |
| 12:28.44 | mjt | Dagger2: I've issues with some apps apparently. Eg, squid prefers v6 for some reason. |
| 12:28.56 | Skyp | mjt: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6 should do |
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| 12:29.09 | mjt | oh |
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| 12:29.28 | petn-randall | mms_: make menuconfig/xconfig does no guesses at all. |
| 12:29.32 | mjt | Skyp: perfect! Thank you! :) |
| 12:29.58 | centrx | mms_, The settings that are already set are just universal defaults |
| 12:30.10 | mjt | (I wasn't even able to use google as my squid tried to contact to google over non-working v6 :) |
| 12:30.16 | Skyp | ;) |
| 12:30.55 | Dagger2 | and you really have no non-LL addresses? :/ |
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| 12:31.08 | mms_ | ok I had issue with broadcom wifi driver so am compiling 3.15.2 read thats its fixed in 3 kernels. I did not make any changes to selections. |
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| 12:32.48 | centrx | mms_, If you are not familiar with kernel compiling options, you should probably stick to the Debian packages. |
| 12:33.12 | centrx | mms_, What kernel version fixes your broadcom driver issue? |
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| 12:37.22 | jelly | formorer: It's generated huge issues with my mailing lists, but frankly I'm glad yahoo et al. pushed it out and started enforcing dmarc |
| 12:37.59 | formorer | I am sorry, I still can't find anything positive on dmarc. |
| 12:38.00 | jelly | thinks it's going to do good long-term |
| 12:38.16 | formorer | it is a bad designed pain in the ass. |
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| 12:39.32 | jelly | worse is better |
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| 12:40.22 | AL13N_work | i'm on deb6 lts and check-support status shows me php5 is not supported |
| 12:40.42 | AL13N_work | but, there is no new php5 on backports or something... |
| 12:41.15 | AL13N_work | also, it refers me to a README file, which states that they provide vulnerability support, but limited |
| 12:41.23 | AL13N_work | though that file was written in 2006 |
| 12:41.49 | nkuttler | ,v php5 |
| 12:41.50 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u9; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u11; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u11; jessie: 5.6.0~beta4+dfsg-4; sid: 5.6.0~rc1+dfsg-1 |
| 12:42.14 | AL13N_work | nkuttler: and backports didn't show any update either |
| 12:42.31 | nkuttler | AL13N_work: well, either there are no security fixes, or the packages aren't maintained |
| 12:42.37 | formorer | ndphp is not in backports and it won't be |
| 12:43.02 | jelly | not backports, squeeze-lts |
| 12:43.17 | formorer | I can only speak for backports :) |
| 12:43.31 | AL13N_work | http://pastebin.com/8ErPfeQA |
| 12:43.46 | jelly | yeah, but check-support-status is lts and not your domain |
| 12:43.51 | AL13N_work | formorer: nkuttler: does this mean, php5 is unsupported, or limited supported? |
| 12:44.00 | formorer | ask the lts people. |
| 12:44.05 | formorer | they have an irc channel |
| 12:44.10 | AL13N_work | ah nice |
| 12:44.12 | jelly | AL13N_work: #debian-lts on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) |
| 12:44.16 | AL13N_work | thx |
| 12:44.18 | jelly | !squeeze-lts |
| 12:44.19 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:44.20 | AL13N_work | i'll go ask there |
| 12:44.44 | AL13N_work | i'm just saying that the text looks dubious for interpretation to me |
| 12:44.47 | AL13N_work | WDYT? |
| 12:44.58 | AL13N_work | this text: http://pastebin.com/8ErPfeQA |
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| 12:45.28 | jelly | affected, not necessarily completely given up hope for |
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| 12:46.44 | AL13N_work | jelly: so, you think it's partially supported? |
| 12:46.44 | nmluser | hallo |
| 12:46.53 | formorer | AL13N_work: https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/2014/06/msg00138.html |
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| 12:47.08 | jelly | AL13N_work: I don't know. |
| 12:47.20 | formorer | I think moritz is working on it. unfortunately noone ever answered his mail |
| 12:47.35 | AL13N_work | :-( |
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| 12:47.49 | AL13N_work | hmm, so it might be in the works |
| 12:47.50 | formorer | but its not to late to step in |
| 12:47.55 | jelly | this means YOU, AL13N_work |
| 12:48.03 | AL13N_work | myeah, but i can't exactly put this on my production servers |
| 12:48.16 | nmluser | I was wondering why the network-manager maintainers (utopia team) decided to scrap resolvconf usage?? it was working great and it was possible to programatically add dns for unmanaged interfaces, now NM just overrides the resolv.conf and there's no way to manage part of it externally, it's very frustrating |
| 12:48.18 | formorer | if everyone thinks that way, there won't be a php I guess |
| 12:48.28 | AL13N_work | formorer: that's true |
| 12:48.31 | jelly | you can test it and see if it works on devel servers, THEN report back and put it on your proc |
| 12:48.33 | jelly | prod* |
| 12:48.50 | AL13N_work | do any of you know that this moritz is an actual member of debian-lts? |
| 12:48.53 | nmluser | this is something that was changed all of a sudden by the maintainers as usage of resolvconf is conditional in NM (#ifdef RESOLVCONF_PATH)) |
| 12:49.03 | AL13N_work | if it's not from someone random, i might try it |
| 12:49.04 | formorer | AL13N_work: there are no "members" everyone can work on it. |
| 12:49.08 | AL13N_work | oic |
| 12:49.29 | jelly | it's a random person with an account on people.debian.org! |
| 12:49.36 | formorer | he is not random |
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| 12:50.05 | formorer | but moritz is also a member of the security team |
| 12:50.22 | AL13N_work | i don't mean anything bad, just that i'm not just gonna download any packages from someplace of the internet, or i'd be crazy |
| 12:50.32 | AL13N_work | formorer: thanks! |
| 12:50.43 | someplace | uploads packages to AL13N_work |
| 12:51.18 | jelly | AL13N_work: would you feel safer if it were https://people.d.o/ instead of http:// ? |
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| 12:51.27 | AL13N_work | someplace: heh |
| 12:51.40 | AL13N_work | jelly: no :-) |
| 12:52.05 | jelly | AL13N_work: so you don't trust debian developers. I suggest using a different distro |
| 12:52.06 | AL13N_work | jelly: i have no idea if ppl.d.o is from debian or if debian gives this out to regular users who want it or try to contribute |
| 12:52.10 | jelly | hides |
| 12:52.15 | AL13N_work | i'm using debian for work |
| 12:52.26 | AL13N_work | i'm a Mageia contributor myself, so i'm using Mageia at home =-) |
| 12:53.01 | AL13N_work | btw: anyone knows if this http://people.debian.org/~jmm/ is a folder i should add in apt/sources.list ? or do i manually install the packages? |
| 12:53.26 | formorer | there are only debs in that folder and no repo metadta |
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| 12:53.34 | AL13N_work | ok, thx |
| 12:53.50 | AL13N_work | has no idea how repo metadata looks like for debs |
| 12:54.05 | AL13N_work | is used to rpms |
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| 12:54.55 | formorer | AL13N_work: https://wiki.debian.org/RepositoryFormat |
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| 12:56.00 | jelly | AL13N_work: you can always download .tar.gz, diff and dsc, and compare to the current package version |
| 12:56.07 | AL13N_work | formorer: ic, it's pretty different from rpms |
| 12:56.19 | nmluser | ok I'm convinced this is a bug in the building of the package, debian/rules still includes --with-resolvconf, what most likely happened is that the machine the package was built on didn't have resolvconf installed |
| 12:56.21 | jelly | and if the differences seem sane, do a |
| 12:56.23 | jelly | !package rebuild |
| 12:56.23 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>. |
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| 12:56.48 | jelly | (starting from step 4-ish) |
| 12:57.10 | formorer | AL13N_work: rpm doesn't have a repo format. thats from from yum or zipper. they all use different repo metadata |
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| 12:59.03 | AL13N_work | formorer: yes |
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| 12:59.09 | AL13N_work | formorer: i meant urpmi :-) |
| 12:59.15 | AL13N_work | they too have different metadata |
| 12:59.43 | AL13N_work | though all of them are more similar then the structure that debs have |
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| 13:20.35 | MartinCleaver | Question - my new install (installed via netboot) doesn’t get recognized by the bios. I’m assuming this is an EFI like problem. I tried then using http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/getting.html on a USB stick, written to the USB stick using unetbootin from my Mac. |
| 13:20.45 | MartinCleaver | That doesn’t boot either |
| 13:20.57 | MartinCleaver | s/netboot/netinstall/ |
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| 13:22.29 | MartinCleaver | Any hints? |
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| 13:27.41 | abrotman | unetbootin will almost always fail |
| 13:27.46 | maher | I installed icedtea-7-plugin, but when I look at about:plugins in iceweasel the java plugin is listed as disabled - how do I enable it? |
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| 13:28.28 | abrotman | maher: did you restart IW after installing? |
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| 13:28.38 | MartinCleaver | :( |
| 13:28.47 | MartinCleaver | what will almost always succeed? |
| 13:28.48 | JordiGH | Huh, starting daemons by default isn't good? |
| 13:28.54 | abrotman | dpkg: tell MartinCleaver about usb install |
| 13:28.59 | abrotman | dpkg: tell MartinCleaver about efi |
| 13:29.00 | jojoa1997 | how do i have Debian start in text mode with lxde installed? |
| 13:29.09 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jojoa1997 about nodm |
| 13:29.17 | maher | abrotman: yes |
| 13:29.18 | abrotman | makes the bot do his dirty work .. |
| 13:29.24 | abrotman | JordiGH: vague .. |
| 13:29.29 | JordiGH | http://major.io/2014/06/26/install-debian-packages-without-starting-daemons/ |
| 13:29.38 | abrotman | maher: that should be it .. make sure java works at all .. |
| 13:29.48 | JordiGH | This dude thinks that starting daemons by install scripts is a horrible thing to do. |
| 13:30.00 | maher | abrotman: it shows up in about:plugins but it says State: Disabled |
| 13:30.20 | abrotman | maher: that might be IW overriding it because it thinks it's insecure |
| 13:30.34 | abrotman | JordiGH: is there a question here, or you're just rambling ? |
| 13:30.51 | JordiGH | Well, my question is, why does Debian do this? |
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| 13:31.02 | jojoa1997 | would "echo true >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" renable gui by default and woiuld startx also start lxde? |
| 13:31.07 | JordiGH | Why start a daemon that by default has a suboptimal config? |
| 13:31.11 | Shadow_7 | JordiGH: It can be if you do installs in a chroot. As you have to stop the daemons on the HOST system to umount the chroot |
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| 13:31.35 | JordiGH | Ah. |
| 13:31.51 | JordiGH | Looks like a particular use case that doesn't like daemons getting started, eh? |
| 13:32.11 | abrotman | Right .. |
| 13:32.39 | maher | abrotman: it doesn't show up in chromium at all... |
| 13:32.42 | sveta | why would you install things from chroot? |
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| 13:33.18 | Shadow_7 | why wouldn't you? already working network with a firewall, already working device drivers (including wifi)... |
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| 13:35.20 | Shadow_7 | Not that you would need to, since the host system already has an install. But you might be setting it up for another box that needs a non-pae kernel or you hate using installers or whatevs. |
| 13:35.26 | abrotman | maher: interesting .. make sure you have a valid java installed via CLI |
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| 13:37.34 | Shadow_7 | maher: there's a few links in /etc/alternatives to include openjdk or *cringe* oracles java. icedtea tends to built against the openjdk version, mixing those up can break things. |
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| 13:38.52 | Shadow_7 | maher: also java tends to NOT know where it got installed to, so you may need to fiddle in ld.so.conf.d land to TELL it where it lives. |
| 13:39.06 | Shadow_7 | maher: at least for games that you want OpenGL to work on. |
| 13:39.11 | MartinCleaver | abrotman: thanks - though are there particular instructions you would recommend for an install from a Mac? |
| 13:39.46 | abrotman | MartinCleaver: Intel mac I presume? There are wiki pages about it |
| 13:39.47 | MartinCleaver | I’m installing to a PC laptop with a new drive… it should be easy |
| 13:40.01 | MartinCleaver | Unetbootin looked easy |
| 13:40.03 | MartinCleaver | :) |
| 13:40.51 | MartinCleaver | I tried using DD before that, but the image didn’t write to the USB stick that way. Unetbootin got the installer installed and completed. |
| 13:41.02 | MartinCleaver | it’s just a bios issue now |
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| 13:41.41 | maher | Shadow_7: ok - I have multiple javas installed, but currently they all point to openjdk... |
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| 13:42.21 | maher | Shadow_7: they means update-alternatives |
| 13:42.55 | Shadow_7 | MartinCleaver: I tend to mount -o loop the .iso image and rsync the contents to a partition. Pros - choice of fs type, and don't mess up other installs on same drive. Cons - might have to manually edit /etc/fstab and the usual grub/bootloader hassle |
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| 13:44.08 | MartinCleaver | I think if I can get the bootloader fixed the rest should just work… |
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| 13:44.17 | Shadow_7 | maher: update-alternatives is one way to set those up. I tend to manually do the ln -s links. Not quite the official way. But oracles java has had a bit of update hell these past years |
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| 13:45.04 | MartinCleaver | I completed the install, after all. But it complained about EFI during install, and offered only “ignore” as an option |
| 13:45.28 | MartinCleaver | in his wisdom took that option |
| 13:45.31 | Shadow_7 | maher: the main considerations is that /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so links to icedtea and one that exists |
| 13:45.51 | Shadow_7 | maher: and that /etc/alternatives/java links to a preferred java that also exists |
| 13:46.28 | Shadow_7 | maher: although the /usr/lib/... link is to /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so which is a link to the actual one iirc. |
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| 13:47.06 | thms | I have a 32 bits systems. I want to install amd64 package. My host provider tells me I want a multiarch setup. |
| 13:47.26 | thms | That being said, ifg I want to convert this to a multiarch setup, I need to first reinstall the whole system with a base amd64 system |
| 13:47.37 | ksk | thms: you cannot run 64bit software with 32bit kernel, thms |
| 13:47.39 | maher | thms: do you have a 64bit processor? |
| 13:47.43 | thms | and *then* add the i386 to dpkg and can use i386 packages |
| 13:47.44 | thms | maher: yes |
| 13:47.55 | thms | it seems like I have a 64bits kernel space |
| 13:47.57 | Shadow_7 | thms: is the cpu 64 bit? " lm " in the FLAGS of /proc/cpuinfo ??? |
| 13:47.58 | thms | but 32 bits userspace |
| 13:48.13 | thms | Shadow_7: it is 64 bits, the Xen hypervisor is 64 buts (dpkg --print-architecture) |
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| 13:48.23 | maher | thms: 64bit kernel and 32bit userland works fine |
| 13:48.32 | thms | but mys VMs are uname -m x86_64 BUT dpkg --print-arch is i386 |
| 13:48.48 | thms | maher: I want to install a amd64.deb in this 32 bits userland |
| 13:48.49 | Brigo | thms, i think you are right, for using 64 bits you need to reinstall, and swap to multiarch or 64bits. |
| 13:48.50 | thms | that's the problem |
| 13:49.13 | MartinCleaver | considers ubuntu instead |
| 13:49.41 | maher | Shadow_7: abrotman: doh! there was some button in the iceweasel settings I had to click... |
| 13:49.44 | armin | so is my assumption correct there will be an updated php version for debian stable soon, reflecting the currently fixed security related bugs that 5.5.14 addresses? |
| 13:49.54 | armin | ,v php5 |
| 13:49.56 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u9; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u11; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u11; jessie: 5.6.0~beta4+dfsg-4; sid: 5.6.0~rc1+dfsg-1 |
| 13:50.01 | Brigo | thms, if you have already a 64bits kernel,them may be you can install 64 bits package, not sure |
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| 13:50.16 | Shadow_7 | heh... ubuntu... that slug... those "extras" that you can't opt out of by default. |
| 13:50.34 | AL13N_work | formorer: jelly: looks like it's partially supported after all, this moritz sent an update a few hours back which isn't on mirrors yet... |
| 13:50.49 | AL13N_work | anyway, time to head home |
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| 13:51.47 | Shadow_7 | thms: it would be easier to start with amd64 and add i386 stuffs |
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| 13:52.34 | thms | Shadow_7: We agree. :) Just wanted to be sure before replying to them |
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| 13:52.47 | Shadow_7 | I recall setting up the multiarch stuff for wine once, it was only a few commands, but what a mess as you have to add the arch to the package name to remove it |
| 13:52.56 | maher | thms: do you have ia32-libs installed? |
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| 13:53.30 | formorer | ia32libs don't exist anymore |
| 13:53.43 | formorer | and are not needed by the way |
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| 13:54.33 | maher | thms: formorerL ok - I once followed the multiarch howto https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO but this was a long time ago and I don't remmeber exactly what I did... |
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| 13:55.45 | formorer | installing i386 packages from wheezy on is no more than: dpkg --add-architecture i386 ; apt-get update ; apt-get install package:i386 |
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| 13:57.53 | thms | thanks a lot guys. |
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| 14:02.17 | Shadow_7 | To gentoo or not to gentoo? Since armel is armv4 and armhf is armv7, but raspberry pi is armv6... *sigh* |
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| 14:03.09 | CissWit | Shadow_7: raspbian ? |
| 14:03.17 | CissWit | it's mostly a debian rebuilt for armv6 |
| 14:03.25 | bezaban | it's given what the answers will be in here :P |
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| 14:03.44 | floyin | For my raspi I'm going to deboostrap a minimal debian |
| 14:04.00 | some-cowbell | tried to build fglrx legacy driver, this was result: http://pastie.org/9331242 |
| 14:04.13 | floyin | instead of doing raspbian and ripping out all of the stuff I don't use |
| 14:05.00 | some-cowbell | you would need enough stuff to support running debootstrap |
| 14:05.14 | MartinCleaver | looks like proxmox doesn’t work on ubuntu |
| 14:05.38 | floyin | some-cowbell: I planned on just tossing the SD card in my laptop, bootstrapping the right arch, and going from there |
| 14:05.43 | Nik05 | just use raspbian, its compiled for the raspi |
| 14:05.52 | some-cowbell | both are based on debian without actually being debian |
| 14:06.11 | some-cowbell | floyin, could work... will require effort n stuff |
| 14:06.14 | MartinCleaver | I don’t suppose that installing from a DVD would be any advantage over installing from the USB stick as I’ve already done. In particular it’s not going to get this puppy to boot |
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| 14:07.08 | floyin | Nik05: but raspbian has all sorts of packages I don't want/need |
| 14:07.19 | some-cowbell | MartinCleaver: not sure that asking here would help without some kind of op fight... |
| 14:07.20 | Nik05 | then dont install them floyin ... |
| 14:07.30 | floyin | some-cowbell: there's also some resources and scripts to facilitate this http://blog.kmp.or.at/2012/05/build-your-own-raspberry-pi-image/ |
| 14:07.48 | some-cowbell | unless you're asking specifically about debian |
| 14:07.57 | MartinCleaver | re: booting or re: ubuntu, some-cowbell |
| 14:07.58 | MartinCleaver | ? |
| 14:08.29 | floyin | Nik05: I mean the base image. I haven't seen a "minimal raspian" image (without desktop, X and all) |
| 14:08.35 | some-cowbell | re: ubuntu and re: proxmox as both are their own dists |
| 14:08.37 | floyin | If there is one, let me know :) |
| 14:08.45 | Nik05 | floyin i have seen them |
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| 14:09.13 | MartinCleaver | y, well, I’d be happy if Debian would just boot |
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| 14:09.44 | some-cowbell | floyin, the best I can say is it's gonna be an adventure... prepare for rocks, snakes, more snakes, pygmies and fast-moving water |
| 14:10.14 | Shadow_7 | raspian is too annoying... can't run glxgears... 20k packages versus 40k of debian jessie |
| 14:10.31 | some-cowbell | I don't have a raspthing so I can't help specifically |
| 14:10.48 | some-cowbell | if I did, I'd try what you're trying |
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| 14:11.41 | Shadow_7 | raspian also has sshd and other daemons running at first boot. and rpciod and nfsiod kernel things running included in the kernel so you can't modprobe -r them |
| 14:11.44 | MartinCleaver | finds an old partimage is not ghost cd and boots that |
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| 14:13.22 | some-cowbell | MartinCleaver: if something you're asking is about debian specifically, then I'll apologize as I didn't see it |
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| 14:15.01 | ed8 | hi there, I will have to create a debian/ubuntu daemon in the coming days and would like some pointer |
| 14:15.20 | ed8 | do you have articles/wiki's page to recommend ? |
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| 14:16.24 | some-cowbell | ed8, for what purpose? |
| 14:16.33 | thms | Well following my question my host told me to run: dpkg --add-architecture amd64 |
| 14:16.44 | thms | on my 32 bits userland system (64 bits kernel) |
| 14:16.53 | thms | now dpkg -i omnisbus-gitlab.deb just hangds |
| 14:17.09 | ed8 | some-cowbell: starting assh tunnel |
| 14:17.13 | Shadow_7 | thms: did you apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade after? |
| 14:17.17 | ed8 | *a list of ssh tunnels |
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| 14:17.24 | alusion | i just did fresh install of debian and i want to reinstall all my packages from my previous build |
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| 14:17.43 | alusion | i do sudo dpkg --get-selections > package.list |
| 14:17.58 | alusion | and then on the new system sudo dpkg --set-selections < package.list |
| 14:18.16 | Shadow_7 | alusion: probably dpkg --set-selections < package.list... but never done that myself |
| 14:18.24 | some-cowbell | "from" your "previous build"? |
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| 14:18.41 | alusion | it says unexpected end of line after package name at line 1 |
| 14:18.53 | some-cowbell | look at the file |
| 14:18.59 | Shadow_7 | alusion: I tend to awk the package names from dpkg -l and do apt-get on that... aka the hard way |
| 14:19.13 | alusion | i made a new file |
| 14:19.15 | alusion | and now it says |
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| 14:19.30 | thms | Shadow_7: yes, even rebooted |
| 14:19.33 | some-cowbell | you could unpack them all in a loop then dpkg --configure --pending |
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| 14:19.46 | alusion | found unknown packages [all of them not found in database at line ____: package] the available database is outdated, and needs to be updated through a front end |
| 14:19.52 | alusion | i did update |
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| 14:20.14 | Shadow_7 | thms: you could strace the package install to get a clue as to what it hung on |
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| 14:21.37 | thms | Shadow_7: I don't understand.. maybe it is a fake solution they told me to. Because I am in 32 bits userland so I don't understand how I could install 64bits package |
| 14:21.39 | Shadow_7 | alusion: did you include the contrib and non-free in your apt-sources? |
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| 14:21.51 | thms | plus the package is omnibus-gitlab.deb... there should be no problem installing it |
| 14:21.57 | thms | I installed it with no problem on my 64bits system |
| 14:22.22 | Shadow_7 | thms: maybe it requires 64 bit cpu stuff and your cpu isn't fully 64 bit? |
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| 14:22.29 | alusion | im not sure |
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| 14:22.38 | MartinCleaver | some-cowbell: my specific debian question is: during installation, my installation failed to set up booting (it complained about EFi - I neglected to write down the exact message, sorry to admit). So, now the BIOS doesn’t see the installation. How do I use my mac to fix the hard disk boot? |
| 14:22.38 | alusion | i just did dpkg --get-selections > pkg.list |
| 14:22.39 | Shadow_7 | thms: or you only got part of the file for the .deb |
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| 14:25.03 | kombi | upgrading to wheezy I get unmet dependencies of libc6, how do I resolve those? |
| 14:25.17 | MartinCleaver | according to http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/76254/how-to-build-a-live-debian-cd-usb-in-windows-bootable-in-efi-mode?rq=1 unetbootin is the way to go, |
| 14:25.32 | MartinCleaver | but abrotman says this is fail |
| 14:25.35 | Shadow_7 | alusion: you have some versioning issues obviously. dpkg-query --load-avail -l '*partial*name*' to see what or if the package(s) exists and what it's named |
| 14:25.51 | babilen | MartinCleaver: It is indeed |
| 14:25.55 | babilen | dpkg: unetbootin |
| 14:25.55 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 14:26.02 | babilen | dpkg: usb install |
| 14:26.02 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 14:26.04 | ed8 | does the switch from initd to systemd have any impact on a the way a service should be written ? |
| 14:26.09 | thms | Shadow_7: finally worked. |
| 14:26.26 | MartinCleaver | I didn’t see in those instructions a way to start from a mac |
| 14:26.28 | abrotman | MartinCleaver: unetbootin is a broken pile of shit |
| 14:26.52 | babilen | MartinCleaver: It essentially boils down to "cp debian-foo-image.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your USB driver) |
| 14:27.05 | petn-randall | ed8: The service shouldn't need any changes, but how the service is started, stopped and the status is polled will be a lot different. |
| 14:27.11 | babilen | MartinCleaver: You can copy it on a mac directly, but the device nodes are different. |
| 14:27.35 | babilen | MartinCleaver: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx ← applies to Debian as well |
| 14:27.55 | babilen | (modulo "Download Ubuntu" naturally) |
| 14:28.23 | thms | Shadow_7: the package installed a binary in /opt/gitlab/embedded, when I "file" it it says 64 bits. But there is no way running it after chmod +x, it just says "no such file or directory". The regular command to start the package I installed returns "no such file or directory" on this binary too. |
| 14:28.37 | babilen | MartinCleaver: Ah, they unnecessarily advocate dd (you can use cp, but that procedure there would work too) |
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| 14:28.41 | thms | my understanding is that my systems just don't understand how to run those 64bits files |
| 14:28.49 | Shadow_7 | thms: ls -l the file |
| 14:28.51 | MartinCleaver | unetbootin successfully installed the debian installer onto my usb stick. That install all went fine until it wanted to set up EFI (I ignored the error). When I rebooted the laptop failed to see the partition as bootable |
| 14:28.56 | thms | Shadow_7: the file is there |
| 14:29.06 | Shadow_7 | thms: likely a link to something else and you only +x the link |
| 14:29.12 | MartinCleaver | While I could dd the iso onto the usb stick I think this is not the issue |
| 14:29.23 | MartinCleaver | because the debian installer already ran fine |
| 14:29.26 | ed8 | petn-randall: any links to start writing services ? |
| 14:29.32 | MartinCleaver | it’s booting not installing that is the issue |
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| 14:29.46 | thms | Shadow_7: how can I find this out ? |
| 14:30.33 | Shadow_7 | thms: the /opt is one of those virtual like fs things. Not even sure if debian uses it for anything |
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| 14:31.09 | petern_ | Er, /opt is not virtual. |
| 14:31.20 | babilen | MartinCleaver: The issue with unetbootin essentially boil down to it using wrong device nodes and mounts. It is *very much* related to that. |
| 14:31.26 | Shadow_7 | but it's mostly empty iirc |
| 14:31.35 | babilen | MartinCleaver: Just don't use it for Debian images. It breaks them and we do not support it. |
| 14:31.38 | petern_ | Debian does "use it", because /opt is for stuff self-installed out of the package system. |
| 14:31.47 | petern_ | err. *doesn't |
| 14:31.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell MartinCleaver -about fixmbr |
| 14:32.01 | Shadow_7 | so /opt is /usr/local/ ? |
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| 14:32.04 | babilen | MartinCleaver: That doesn't mean that you have to reinstall Debian now though |
| 14:32.21 | babilen | Shadow_7: No, /opt is not /usr/local |
| 14:32.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell Shadow_7 about hier |
| 14:32.28 | MartinCleaver | reads the fixmbr stuff and thanks babilen |
| 14:32.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell Shadow_7 about fhs |
| 14:32.51 | petern_ | /usr/local tends to be the default for locally compiled stuff. |
| 14:32.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell Shadow_7 -about usrlocal |
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| 14:32.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell Shadow_7 -about stow |
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| 14:32.59 | petern_ | /opt usually for binaries |
| 14:33.02 | babilen | yeah |
| 14:33.08 | thms | Shadow_7: I don't reallt understand. there is a binanry file in /opt |
| 14:33.12 | thms | just can't run it |
| 14:33.14 | babilen | (i.e. if you use /opt you are doing it wrong) |
| 14:33.17 | thms | ruby: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, BuildID[sha1]=0x528cdea1fe17695302138aed12ce88369919ef46, not stripped |
| 14:33.22 | thms | but can't ./ruby |
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| 14:35.08 | Shadow_7 | thms: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i " lm " |
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| 14:35.40 | Shadow_7 | thms: if you don't have lm in the cpu info then your cpu isn't 64 bit |
| 14:36.05 | ed8 | find this question on ServerFault that give some starting points: http://serverfault.com/questions/306203/debian-init-script-from-scratch |
| 14:36.12 | DammitJim | is there a utility to do a diff between 2 server directories? |
| 14:36.20 | abrotman | diff |
| 14:36.26 | DammitJim | diff over ssh? |
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| 14:36.40 | DammitJim | sorry, abrotman |
| 14:36.47 | DammitJim | I meant diff between 2 servers |
| 14:36.48 | thms | Shadow_7: I have lm |
| 14:36.54 | DammitJim | on specific directoreis |
| 14:36.56 | DammitJim | directories |
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| 14:37.53 | Shadow_7 | thms: perhaps use strings on the binary and see what lib???.so it uses and see if they exist on your system |
| 14:38.21 | ChrisH | Shadow_7: checked file ./binary and ldd ./binary ? |
| 14:38.42 | Shadow_7 | thms: and probably some ugly ln -s trickery to make their names match your libs |
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| 14:38.47 | MartinCleaver | of=/dev/rdisk4s1 or /dev/disk4s1 ? |
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| 14:39.53 | thms | Shadow_7: I think I need 64bits libs |
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| 14:40.59 | thms | Shadow_7: here is the output of strings: http://paste.debian.net/107035/ |
| 14:41.26 | ChrisH | thms: that was for you :) checked file ./binary and ldd ./binary ? |
| 14:41.27 | Shadow_7 | thms: that doesn't do me anygood. I don't know if they exist on your system. |
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| 14:42.08 | MartinCleaver | uses rdisk |
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| 14:43.17 | domsson | I wish I'd knew how to mount my SD Card. Or how to figure out if it got auto-mounted. And if so, where to and how to use it. Would someone help me get started? :) |
| 14:43.42 | formorer | thms: what system do you have? an amd64 system? /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 |
| 14:43.46 | formorer | does exist? |
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| 14:51.57 | MartinCleaver | well, reinstalling the iso to USB vai DD failed: isolinux.bin missing or corrupt |
| 14:52.07 | MartinCleaver | s/vai/via/ |
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| 14:53.11 | Brigo | !tell domsson about automount |
| 14:53.29 | Pretzel | At what point in the boot process is the "interfaces" file read to start up the network? |
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| 14:54.27 | Pretzel | I looked in /etc/rc2.d but saw no reference to anything network related except for "S18nfs-common" |
| 14:55.27 | abrotman | rcS perhaps? |
| 14:55.38 | Pretzel | *looking* |
| 14:56.10 | Shadow_7 | the /etc/init/networking.conf file seems to hint at it |
| 14:56.19 | thms | formorer: nah doesn't exist |
| 14:56.21 | some-cowbell | it might be in /etc/init.d/rc2.d |
| 14:56.26 | thms | it's a 64bits kernel with 32 buts userland... |
| 14:56.28 | thms | kind of weird |
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| 14:56.58 | Pretzel | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.59 | Pretzel | I see |
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| 14:57.14 | formorer | thms: then add amd64 as additional architecture and install the relevant 64 bit libs |
| 14:57.17 | Shadow_7 | with references to ifup and ifdown using it so probably looking for those in /etc/rc?.d/* |
| 14:57.26 | formorer | or use a 32bit version of the software |
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| 14:57.50 | Pretzel | abrotman: thanks for the pointer. I think that's what I'm looking for. |
| 14:57.59 | thms | formorer: in what package are those libs ? I already added amd64 arch and ran apt-get ypgrade |
| 14:58.10 | thms | no 32 bits version of the software available |
| 14:58.58 | Pretzel | abrotman: I presume that rcS.d executes before rc2.d, yes? |
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| 14:59.00 | Shadow_7 | thms: it would probably be easier to have a 64bit install that you chroot into for that binary |
| 14:59.08 | abrotman | Pretzel: reasonable |
| 14:59.29 | some-cowbell | ok, so there are scripts in /etc/init.d and links to those scripts in /etc/rc?.d (where ? stands for 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,S) |
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| 15:00.05 | Brigo | some-cowbell, runlevels? |
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| 15:00.36 | formorer | thms: you need a bunch of libs as it seems. I am not exectly sure if it will work afterwards. you should use a 64bit system or a chroot. |
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| 15:01.21 | some-cowbell | yeah, 1 is single user, S is the startup beforehand, and 2,3,4,5 are multiuser runlevels (aka the normal unix operation) and 6 is pre-shutdown |
| 15:01.33 | Pretzel | good to know. |
| 15:01.44 | Pretzel | I didn't know about the S level, but it makes sense. |
| 15:01.55 | abrotman | notes that probalby pointing Pretzel at the man pages is better than spoon feeding |
| 15:02.10 | ksk | hey. can i see the unpacked size of a tar.gz *before* unpacking it? |
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| 15:02.23 | ksk | (to determine if i have enough space) |
| 15:02.25 | domsson | Thanks, Brigo. I'm using Thunar and thunar-volman is installed. Still, I can't tell if the sd card is being mounted or not. |
| 15:02.30 | Pretzel | abrotman: actually, I just needed someone to point me in the right direction. I think I'm good now. |
| 15:02.34 | Pretzel | :) |
| 15:03.23 | some-cowbell | if you look in the /etc/rc[2345].d dirs, you'll see links whose name has [SK][digitdigit]nameofscript |
| 15:03.58 | some-cowbell | if you look in /etc/init.d, you'll see instances of nameofscript |
| 15:03.59 | abrotman | some-cowbell: man page ... |
| 15:04.19 | abrotman | instead of reading the man page to the entire channel please .. |
| 15:04.24 | Pretzel | yeah, I had remembered that from when I used to work on Debian systems |
| 15:04.32 | Pretzel | I just couldn't remember where the start-up scripts were. |
| 15:04.42 | some-cowbell | and now you know :) |
| 15:04.47 | Pretzel | thanks! |
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| 15:04.54 | some-cowbell | welcome. |
| 15:06.09 | Brigo | domsson, i have never used thunar, so i do not know how to configure it. But if it runs ok, i think the sd car should be automounted when you insert it. |
| 15:06.20 | some-cowbell | abrotman, I'm not reading anything, especially something that discourages understanding and experimentation. just giving him just enough to look at it. |
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| 15:06.52 | abrotman | some-cowbell: "Read man foo, let me know if you have any questions, I'll be around" |
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| 15:07.26 | abrotman | dpkg: tell some-cowbell about fish |
| 15:07.45 | some-cowbell | probably I'm not ever going to do that as (again) it's discouraging |
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| 15:08.49 | abrotman | So is a 10 line lecture, instead of 'read this man page, it explains it' |
| 15:09.02 | domsson | Brigo, would you know where it should mount it to? It might be to /media/usb0 (there is an fstab entry for it), but that folder is always there and never accessible ('permission denied'), whether card is inserted or not. |
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| 15:09.52 | some-cowbell | the value of a communication is the result you get. Pretzel: were you discouraged in any way? |
| 15:09.59 | Pretzel | nope |
| 15:10.30 | Shadow_7 | of course system will likely make all that information obsolete |
| 15:10.30 | Brigo | domsson, i do not how thunnar do it, but usually it will create a new folder, usually called like the sd's label, and mount the sd there. |
| 15:10.35 | Shadow_7 | systemd * |
| 15:10.38 | abrotman | notes he gave Pretzel the answer he needed in one line, isntead of 5 |
| 15:11.03 | Pretzel | some-cowbell: I'm used to IRC, although I haven't used it much in recent years. I've only just gotten back into it. |
| 15:11.26 | Pretzel | abrotman: It's totally cool. I appreciated both of your help. |
| 15:11.27 | Brigo | domsson, if you can get thunar automoun running may be you want to try udisks-glue package. |
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| 15:11.43 | MartinCleaver | runs the net install again |
| 15:11.51 | Pretzel | I was just having difficulty coming up with the right terminology to Google. |
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| 15:12.29 | Pretzel | So I popped into #debian since I was already on #ipxe and #clonezilla. |
| 15:14.28 | some-cowbell | Google is ok, it's getting less so as people run their little things (like speedlings) that can alter what it comes up with. abrotman, I also wanted to thank you for your help earlier... I got an error in the final link step tho |
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| 15:15.24 | some-cowbell | http://pastie.org/9331242 <- I guess this is the fglrx package build log |
| 15:15.40 | domsson | Brigo, I have a feeling the problem is deeper. fdisk -l doesn't list the sd card (although it did before the last reboot) |
| 15:16.05 | Brigo | domsson, and blkid? |
| 15:16.32 | domsson | Neither. |
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| 15:17.08 | Shadow_7 | domsson: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 15:17.26 | domsson | It was showing it before; and it seems like it automagically added an entry in the fstab. I rebootet (because I was confused and wanted to start afresh), now it doesn't even show up; maybe because of the fstab entry? Nothign else changed. |
| 15:17.57 | domsson | Shadow_7, I'm seeing 4 entries there, sda, sda1, sda2, sda5. |
| 15:17.59 | Shadow_7 | the /dev/ names can change between boots. UUIDs are little more reliable |
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| 15:18.23 | Shadow_7 | domsson: so only one device then and not the one you were wanting? |
| 15:18.28 | zykotick9 | and LABELs are easier to work with the UUIDs IMO |
| 15:18.31 | abrotman | some-cowbell: which final step? |
| 15:18.43 | abrotman | some-cowbell: I don't use fglrx, so I"m not a great reference, but you can try |
| 15:18.50 | some-cowbell | the fglrx.o link |
| 15:19.20 | some-cowbell | yeah, I didn't expect you did, but you did try to help me earlier |
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| 15:19.52 | domsson | Shadow_7, well, before the sd card showed up as sdb1 with fdisk -l, now it doesn't. The output of cat /proc/partitions doesn't really tell me anything tbh. |
| 15:19.53 | some-cowbell | so I thought any info you may have had that was more general might help |
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| 15:20.02 | Shadow_7 | should be fglrx.ko which you might have to compile manually from /usr/src/ portion that the debian packages put down yonder |
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| 15:20.31 | Shadow_7 | domsson: removing and reinserting might make it show up again |
| 15:20.53 | Brigo | domsson, what about logs? what are writting in /var/log/kern.log when you insert the sd card? |
| 15:21.02 | arven | how can I automatically build a package and all of its dependencies with certain optimizations? |
| 15:21.06 | some-cowbell | Shadow_7: would you mind taking a look at the paste, it's about 13 lines, and the error is near the end, clearly marked |
| 15:22.31 | arven | zykotick9: I agree, I personally use labels in fstab |
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| 15:22.35 | domsson | Shadow_7, Brigo: I think I reinserted it 10 times already, but I did again and checked the log: Nothing has been added (!) |
| 15:22.52 | Brigo | domsson, so the sd card is not detected |
| 15:23.05 | Brigo | by the hardware or the kernel. |
| 15:23.09 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: looks like it's trying to make a 32 bit kernel module for a 64 bit kernel... fail |
| 15:23.12 | Brigo | is it usb? |
| 15:23.15 | domsson | Brigo, that's what I assume. But it has been detected before - and it is brand new. So that's quite puzzling, is it not? |
| 15:23.30 | domsson | It is an internal card reader (in a MSI Wind netbook) |
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| 15:23.58 | Shadow_7 | domsson: does the card reader show up in lsusb? |
| 15:24.03 | Brigo | domsson, yes, it is puzzling. Can yuo try to plug in another system? only for testing the card is ok? |
| 15:24.14 | some-cowbell | am I missing some kind of build package? like maybe I'm missing ld for amd64? |
| 15:24.34 | domsson | Shadow_7, assuming that "USB 2.0 multicard reader" is my internal SD card reader, I'd say "yes" to that one :) |
| 15:24.35 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: did you apt-get install build-essentials? |
| 15:24.46 | some-cowbell | not recently :) |
| 15:24.53 | domsson | Brigo, I can. Give me a second. |
| 15:25.17 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: there's also autoconf automake m4 mercurial scons and others that build-essentials may not grab by default |
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| 15:25.39 | some-cowbell | mercurial? |
| 15:25.40 | Shadow_7 | domsson: perhaps modprobe usb-storage ? |
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| 15:25.52 | some-cowbell | that's a source control thing isn't it? |
| 15:25.55 | Shadow_7 | just another make system |
| 15:26.15 | some-cowbell | J.A.M.S |
| 15:26.36 | gellioth | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.12 | gellioth | this is the command that I'm using: |
| 15:27.20 | Shadow_7 | gellioth: need to cat the file? or redirect it? |
| 15:27.28 | lmat | I'm having trouble selecting the keyboard layout on debian (Gnome) login screen. It looks like there's no control to do that. Normally, when a user is logged in, they get the option in the bar at the top. |
| 15:27.38 | lmat | It says en1 or en2 (depending on whether qwerty or dvorak is selected). |
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| 15:28.14 | lmat | My wife only knows dvorak (and the keyboard only has dvorak letters on it, but the login screen is in qwerty, and there doesn't seem to be a way to change it. She now can't type her password. |
| 15:28.28 | domsson | Shadow_7, modprobe usb-storage didn't give me any output (is it supposed to?) Brigo, the card does show up and can be used in another computer. And yeah, I just bought it two hours ago, so that would've been weird. :) |
| 15:28.32 | gellioth | echo $1|iconv -f utf-8 -t iso-8859-1|festival –tts –language spanish |
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| 15:28.45 | Shadow_7 | domsson: it might update the /proc/partitions |
| 15:29.08 | Shadow_7 | domsson: but it was likely already loaded, on a working system |
| 15:29.24 | lmat | I guess changing keyboard layout in login screen isn't too popular an issue :( |
| 15:29.25 | Shadow_7 | domsson: check dmesg for any changes |
| 15:29.25 | some-cowbell | So, I tried to install build-essential, it said it's going to configure the dkms for fglrx-legacy (which leads to building that module, which leads to the link error) |
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| 15:29.48 | domsson | Shadow_7, dmesg shows that... there are no news. |
| 15:30.35 | lmat | Oh, also, it doesn't work to set the system-wide default (and terminal settings) to dvorak, because I have a dvorak keyboard for which the computer should be expecting qwerty input. |
| 15:30.41 | lmat | The keyboard does the translation in its firmware ^_^ |
| 15:31.08 | Shadow_7 | lmat: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 15:31.28 | lmat | Shadow_7: Right, that is a good way to change the layout, but it can't be run from the login screen. |
| 15:31.39 | lmat | Shadow_7: I need to be able to change the keyboard layout at the login screen. |
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| 15:31.48 | Brigo | domsson, i think it should be a kernel problem or a problem in the own card reader. |
| 15:32.23 | Brigo | domsson, you can try to change the kernel for a new one or boot from a live cd ... |
| 15:32.37 | gellioth | Shadow_7, It reads the adress, but not the file, I need that festival reads the file, all the other stuffs are to festival can use "ñ" that is very common in spanish |
| 15:32.39 | domsson | Brigo, kernel problem sounds quite problematic. How do I 'change the kernel'? :\ |
| 15:32.41 | Shadow_7 | lmat: which display manager? gdm? |
| 15:32.48 | lmat | Shadow_7: yup |
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| 15:32.53 | Brigo | are you in wheezy? |
| 15:33.20 | Shadow_7 | lmat: apt-get install gnome-accessibility-themes |
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| 15:33.40 | Shadow_7 | there's also one for virtual keyboard so you can type things in with a mouse |
| 15:34.00 | lmat | Shadow_7: I'll take a look at gnome-accessibility-themes! |
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| 15:36.04 | lmat | Shadow_7: It was already installed. Perhaps there's a setting I need to set... looking |
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| 15:37.22 | domsson | Brigo, I'm with jessie. |
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| 15:37.40 | Brigo | kernel version? |
| 15:37.47 | lmat | Shadow_7: I assume you are thinking that gnome-accessibility-themes will change the login screen, right ? (I'm not seeing anything to that effect ^_^) |
| 15:37.58 | domsson | Sorry that I have to ask, but how do I figure it out? |
| 15:38.15 | domsson | Ah, got it. 3.13-1-686-pae (that's it, isn't it?) |
| 15:38.35 | Brigo | domsson, it is, yes |
| 15:38.59 | Brigo | i am in jessie too and i am running a 3.14 kernel |
| 15:39.37 | gellioth | any idea? |
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| 15:39.50 | Shadow_7 | jessie and 3.12.22+ for arm... |
| 15:39.51 | some-cowbell | I didn't realize this... but dpkg --print-architecture says i386 and dpkg --print-foreign-architectures says amd64 |
| 15:40.37 | Shadow_7 | gellioth: normally I do echo "stuff to say" | festival --tts |
| 15:40.48 | some-cowbell | and the kernel I have is 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 15:40.49 | Shadow_7 | gellioth: or cat file.txt | festival --tts |
| 15:40.53 | Brigo | gellioth, i think this echo $1 has the path, you better do a cat $1 |
| 15:40.54 | domsson | Brigo, so I should update mine? If so... how on earth...? :) |
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| 15:41.41 | Shadow_7 | domsson: dpkg -l '*linux*image*' |
| 15:41.42 | Brigo | domsson, well, it a try and see. Didn't you get upgraded with apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 15:42.49 | domsson | Shadow_7, Brigo - I just found a bug report (its for Ubuntu though) where someone's internal card reader will not recognize an SD card *unless* he reboots with the card already inserted. I just tried that and the card now shows up with fdisk -l |
| 15:42.58 | gellioth | thanks, I'll try now |
| 15:43.22 | Brigo | domsson, please paste the link, i am courious. |
| 15:43.22 | domsson | Not sure if I'm allowed to paste links, but maybe I'm affected by this. Apart from that, I'll update my kernel now. |
| 15:43.24 | domsson | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/995743 |
| 15:43.46 | MartinCleaver | So, this time the installation step failed ‘grub loader’ so I used the grub-install /dev/sdb which seemed to work |
| 15:43.51 | MartinCleaver | but then it failed to boot |
| 15:43.52 | domsson | (The workaround listed in the bug report did not work for me though) |
| 15:43.57 | Shadow_7 | gellioth: but if the "stuff to say" never changes, might as well convert it to audio files. |
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| 15:44.46 | some-cowbell | how can I tell if I can run a 686-pae kernel? |
| 15:44.47 | Brigo | domsson, it is weired because is a pci rescan, not a usb, but may be a gun in the card reader firmware |
| 15:44.57 | MartinCleaver | That time again I used unetbootin to generate the USB stick… so at least now I understand the issue about /dev/ being messed up such that it doesn’t install |
| 15:44.59 | MartinCleaver | BUT |
| 15:45.10 | MartinCleaver | so I then try to use DD again |
| 15:45.19 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i "pae" |
| 15:45.28 | MartinCleaver | 6$ sudo dd if=~martincleaver/Downloads/debian-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/disk4s1 bs=4m; sudo sync 55+1 records in 55+1 records out 232783872 bytes transferred in 38.308252 secs (6076599 bytes/sec) |
| 15:45.43 | MartinCleaver | yet the usb stick doesn’t start with this |
| 15:45.43 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: or cpuid if you have that installed and x86 |
| 15:45.58 | some-cowbell | it shows a flags line |
| 15:46.11 | frostschutz | MartinCleaver, is disk4s1 a partition? it should go onto the disk itself |
| 15:46.17 | Shadow_7 | MartinCleaver: you have to dd to the whole disk for that, not a partition on it |
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| 15:46.56 | some-cowbell | could someone point out the difference between running an amd64 versus a 686 with and without pae? |
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| 15:47.22 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: 686 == 32 bit? |
| 15:47.42 | some-cowbell | ok, which matches my dpkg --print-architecture |
| 15:47.50 | MartinCleaver | thx; /disk or /rdisk ? |
| 15:48.06 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: you need " lm " in the /proc/cpuinfo to run 64 bit |
| 15:48.29 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: and if you don't have " pae " in the /proc/cpuinfo you need a non-pae kernel |
| 15:48.41 | gellioth | It works!!! thanks a lot!!! |
| 15:48.42 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: aka apt-get install linux-image-486 |
| 15:48.49 | MartinCleaver | i.e. sudo dd if=~martincleaver/Downloads/debian-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/disk4 bs=4m; sudo sync or sudo dd if=~martincleaver/Downloads/debian-7.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/rdisk4 bs=4m; sudo sync |
| 15:49.44 | Shadow_7 | MartinCleaver: whatever it shows up as in /proc/partitions |
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| 15:50.13 | Brigo | domsson, are you still there? :) |
| 15:50.28 | MartinCleaver | Mac’s don’t have, Shadow_7 |
| 15:50.28 | MartinCleaver | martincleaver@MartinCleaversMBP.local:~ 11:49:59 495$ ls /proc/partitions |
| 15:50.29 | MartinCleaver | ls: /proc/partitions: No such file or directory |
| 15:50.34 | some-cowbell | it does have lm and pae in the flags line |
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| 15:51.05 | Shadow_7 | MartinCleaver: so you're in OS X ? |
| 15:51.08 | MartinCleaver | y |
| 15:51.26 | some-cowbell | curious why there's no 686 without pae and no 486 with? |
| 15:51.32 | Shadow_7 | Do you have sfdisk? |
| 15:51.33 | domsson | Brigo, I am - Update just finished :) |
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| 15:51.38 | Mawuq | hi |
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| 15:51.59 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: none provided by the distro. You can always compile your own |
| 15:52.19 | Brigo | domsson, in this link people talk about some workarrouns very interesting. |
| 15:52.43 | MartinCleaver | no, Shadow_7 |
| 15:52.47 | some-cowbell | Shadow_7: any idea what the reason for that might be? |
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| 15:53.15 | some-cowbell | what's pae for? |
| 15:53.24 | Shadow_7 | MartinCleaver: does it run udev? might check /dev/ for disks |
| 15:53.27 | petn-randall | some-cowbell: There's no 486 that can do PAE, and if your CPU supports it, there's no reason *not* to use it. |
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| 15:53.36 | Brigo | domsson, for example if the car has a label it will be mounted :D |
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| 15:53.45 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: physical address extensions?? lets you access RAM above 4GB |
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| 15:53.57 | petn-randall | some-cowbell: Besides, you can always disable PAE as a kernel boot parameter. |
| 15:54.26 | some-cowbell | oh ok... wish I had that :) maybe newegg here I come, but I don't think I need it yet |
| 15:54.37 | Brody | Hi, I have installed debian successfully on an old machine recently. My main computer is XP and I wonder; Is it a painful process to switch it over to debian. I have lots of word files and excel spreadsheets. Is it probably better to just get a new harddrive and dual boot. Any tips? |
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| 15:54.55 | domsson | Brigo, yeah, either boot with the card inserted (*sigh*) or echo 1 > ... - the latter didn't work for me though. In any case, now that it does show up with fdisk -l, I still don't know if it has been mounted - and where to if so. Hm... |
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| 15:55.32 | Shadow_7 | Brody: a new harddrive would be better. You might want to keep those original files and some OS stuff like fonts might be useful someday |
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| 15:55.45 | some-cowbell | Brody, I suggest that at least for awhile, keep the machines separate, and move stuff across to the debian machine as you get programs that work (for example, gnumeric for spreadsheets) |
| 15:56.01 | Brigo | domsson, they talk about another workarround, loading some modules. You could try it too. |
| 15:56.10 | Shadow_7 | Brody: plus if it's the original HDD it might 10+yo and on it's last leg |
| 15:56.10 | petn-randall | Brody: "old" excel/word files can be read practically without problems by a current libreoffice. It's just the OOXML format that newer MS office uses that breaks. It's mostly formatting though. |
| 15:56.22 | domsson | Brigo, I'll try those later. For now: I have "/dev/sdb1 /media/usb0" [...] in my fstab (I did not put it there), but trying to write a file to that dir does not work (permission denied). |
| 15:56.41 | Brigo | domsson, if the card was automounted it will shou with mount command, and in thunnar too. |
| 15:56.47 | petn-randall | Brody: Either way, you probably want to dual-boot for a while if you haven't used a Linux distro yet, to ease the transition. |
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| 15:56.56 | some-cowbell | I guess a 686-pae is in my future |
| 15:57.27 | Brigo | domsson, may be thunnar automount need some tunnig ... |
| 15:57.31 | Brody | Thanks very much guys |
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| 15:58.06 | MartinCleaver | neither of=/dev/disk4 nor /dev/rdisk4 worked |
| 15:58.28 | some-cowbell | Brody, and after you get to the point where you can get rid of the microsoft thing, I will add mine to the vote of getting another hd |
| 15:58.30 | MartinCleaver | looks for a window |
| 15:58.51 | some-cowbell | nono, don't jump out, it[s not worth it! |
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| 15:59.37 | jmcnaught | MartinCleaver: these instructions might help, just use the Debian iso instead of the Ubuntu one: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx |
| 16:00.39 | domsson | Brigo, `mount | grep sdb` doesn't give me any output, so I guess it has not been mounted then (although the fstab entry is there and I ussed `mount -a` before) |
| 16:01.23 | Brigo | is the sdb1 listed in the output of blkid? |
| 16:01.27 | some-cowbell | btw, howbout the rt kernels? |
| 16:01.49 | domsson | Brigo, yes, now it is. |
| 16:02.02 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: meant for low latency aka realtime stuff like higher end audio recording |
| 16:02.13 | Brigo | domsson, do you want just mount it now or try to solve the automount issue? |
| 16:02.16 | some-cowbell | they crash much? |
| 16:02.22 | domsson | Brigo, I manually mounted the sdcard to a custom directory (/mnt/sdcard/) and will now try to write to it... |
| 16:02.43 | some-cowbell | I may try to get my RME setup going again |
| 16:03.00 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: they're slower as it checks for things more often, but you can prioritize processes |
| 16:03.01 | domsson | Brigo, for now I want to understand how to mount it (or why it doesn't get automounted, although it seems like it should), as I at least have a workaround for the "card does not show up" issue. :) |
| 16:03.05 | Brigo | domsson, you can write to in like root or mount it wint -o user which will allow you to write into |
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| 16:03.34 | Brigo | domsson, reboot is not the best workarround ever :D |
| 16:03.37 | some-cowbell | ok, so I'll hold off on the rt stuff for now |
| 16:03.44 | domsson | Brigo, yep, that's what I just did: `mount -t vfat /dev/dsb1 /mnt/sdcard -o rw,user` - I'll try to write to it now, let's see... |
| 16:04.09 | MartinCleaver | posts onto https://bugs.launchpad.net/unetbootin/+bug/493129 |
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| 16:04.24 | some-cowbell | at least, are there less crashes in the rt kernels these days? |
| 16:04.36 | Brigo | domsson, good luck then :) |
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| 16:04.59 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: as in kernel-panic? I haven't really used them much but crashes are not common in most suitable setups |
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| 16:05.53 | domsson | Brigo, interesting: once I manually mounted it (to /mnt/sdcard), a new device ('usb0', which is where fstab points to for the automount) suddenly shows up in thunar. Anyway, I can neither write to /mnt/sdcard nor /media/usb0 - "permission denied" |
| 16:05.55 | Shadow_7 | some-cowbell: in the days of old video drivers, and other drivers, and lack of RAM caused a lot of grief. |
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| 16:06.03 | zq | hi guys |
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| 16:06.07 | zq | pls halp |
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| 16:06.37 | Brigo | domsson, are the card mounted read-only? you can see it with the mount command alone |
| 16:06.42 | zq | how do i trick my system into avoiding the local stack on access to its own lan address? |
| 16:06.43 | some-cowbell | zq, wat? |
| 16:06.48 | zq | some-cowbell: dat |
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| 16:07.06 | some-cowbell | ohh |
| 16:07.38 | domsson | Brigo, I mounted it with option 'rw', which does also show up when I look at it via `mount` now, so that should give me _r_ead and _w_rite permissions, right? And: I checked - the sd card's 'lock' switch is on 'unlock' ;) |
| 16:07.47 | zq | i know there is some ip routing voodoory |
| 16:08.00 | zq | i just know nothing about linux ip routing |
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| 16:08.57 | Brigo | and you can not write to the car like root? |
| 16:09.02 | some-cowbell | I dont' think I'm enough knowing about routing... not sure about voodoo either |
| 16:09.10 | domsson | Brigo, I haven't tried as root yet. I will now... |
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| 16:09.52 | some-cowbell | ok trying to boot into it |
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| 16:10.25 | Brigo | if your user can write should be because you must belong to plugdev group |
| 16:11.44 | Brigo | s/can/cannot |
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| 16:12.55 | domsson | Brigo, I was able to write a file to the card (or at least to /mnt/sdcard, I don't trust the whole thing yet) as root. My regular user is member of the plugdev group, so that should not be the problem. |
| 16:13.17 | Brigo | domsson, did you install gvfs? |
| 16:13.31 | domsson | Brigo, no, what is that? |
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| 16:14.36 | Brigo | domsson, it needed for thunar to automount -as i just read in archwiki-. It is: userspace virtual filesystem - GIO module |
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| 16:16.07 | domsson | It was installed, I think, but I think I updated it... or something. |
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| 16:16.24 | domsson | I just issued 'apt-get install gvfs' and it actually removed one package :p |
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| 16:17.44 | furhun | okay, i cant get GNome's WIfi applet to work.. |
| 16:17.48 | furhun | anyone there? |
| 16:18.02 | domsson | Brigo, ah, maybe I should not have mounted the device as root? |
| 16:18.32 | furhun | ??? anyone there? |
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| 16:19.14 | jmcnaught | furhun: ask a detailed question, someone will help if they can. please don't get impatient, it's actually really busy in here right now but you just joined. |
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| 16:19.33 | Brigo | domsson, if you want to mount it, only root can do it. |
| 16:19.57 | furhun | Okay, i installed Debian from CD1, but didnt install the DE.. i manually installed X followed by icewm and then i used wicd to get the wifi to work.. |
| 16:20.16 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell furhun -about anyone |
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| 16:20.22 | furhun | now just installed gnome and booted into it.. the wifi applet says "unavailable" |
| 16:20.36 | domsson | Brigo, I see. Well, then maybe this: I created the /mnt/sdcard directory as root - maybe that's why only root can write to it? Do I need to set permissions on the dir? (If so, how? Well, I guess Google will tell me :) |
| 16:20.57 | furhun | dpkg: tell jmcnaught you told me |
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| 16:21.17 | jmcnaught | furhun: well i was going to help you, but i don't like helping rude people so good luck |
| 16:21.27 | furhun | :S |
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| 16:22.47 | Brigo | domsson, the folder has to belong to root. That is ok |
| 16:23.07 | MartinCleaver | burns a CD |
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| 16:23.55 | domsson | Brigo, damn, I'm running out of ideas. I never thought it could be *that* hard to access an SD Card. Do you have any ideas left? I'll try them all ;) |
| 16:23.59 | Brigo | domsson, when you access to the folder you really are accessing to the device, so the device permissions are the important. |
| 16:24.48 | Brigo | domsson, Let try with this: install udisks-glue |
| 16:25.05 | Brigo | it is another automount daemon |
| 16:25.30 | Brigo | domsson, well, sto |
| 16:25.32 | Brigo | domsson, well, stop |
| 16:25.55 | Brigo | you will need to reboot to detect the card again so automount is not so usefull ... |
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| 16:26.15 | Brigo | that you need is a fstab line who automount the card when you boot |
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| 16:27.11 | Brigo | something like my dvd fstab's line:#/dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 16:27.28 | some-cowbell | OK, I also figured out why kde wasn't starting on some kernels; radeon wasn't loaded |
| 16:27.53 | Brigo | for you should be somenthin like: /dev/sdb1 /media/sdcar vfat user 0 0 |
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| 16:28.42 | domsson | Brigo, yeah that line has been added automagically after I inserted the SD card the first time, it seems (by the way, then it worked - without reboot!). |
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| 16:29.12 | domsson | The line is: `/dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0` |
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| 16:29.19 | some-cowbell | yeah, rebooting is an extreme action |
| 16:29.21 | domsson | So that seems pretty good. Just that it does not seem to work. |
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| 16:30.00 | Brigo | umount it and then try : mount /media/usb0 if usb0 exists |
| 16:30.31 | some-cowbell | maybe /media/usb0 is the mount point? |
| 16:30.52 | Brigo | i think automount programs should not edit fstab, never ever.. |
| 16:30.57 | some-cowbell | ls /media to see |
| 16:30.58 | domsson | Brigo, so, in detail: `umount /dev/sda1`, then `mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 -o rw,user`, right? |
| 16:31.18 | Brigo | domsson, not sda1 but sdb1 |
| 16:31.30 | domsson | Oops, sry, sleepy-typo |
| 16:31.40 | Brigo | and no, only mount if usb0 exists |
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| 16:31.56 | Brigo | and only mount /media/usb0 |
| 16:32.24 | Brigo | mount can extract the other information from fstab. |
| 16:32.27 | domsson | so.. just `mount /media/usb0` ? |
| 16:32.38 | Brigo | yes. |
| 16:32.44 | some-cowbell | which should use the line in /etc/fstab |
| 16:33.00 | domsson | I see. Alright, I will. Weird though: after using `umount /dev/sdb1` I issued `mount` again - and it seems like sdb1 is still mounted. Should I worry? :) |
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| 16:33.31 | domsson | Hm, umounting again did the trick, so nevermind. |
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| 16:35.08 | Brigo | just now i have remembered another easy workarround that i use: install pmount. |
| 16:35.08 | domsson | Interesting. Now the card shows up as "8.0 GB Volume" in Thunar (which I like better than 'usb0') and it shows me the previously root-created file - but I still can't write to the card as regular user: 'Permission denied.' |
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| 16:35.45 | kruug | I'm at 100% disk usage for `/`. Where do I start finding how to clean that out? |
| 16:35.47 | domsson | In other words: manually triggering the fstab mount worked - but the permissions are somehow still screwed up. |
| 16:35.54 | kruug | I have /home/ on its own directory |
| 16:36.11 | kruug | as well as /boot/ |
| 16:36.18 | Brigo | domsson, are your user in 'user' group? |
| 16:36.19 | kruug | s/directory/partition |
| 16:36.54 | Brigo | kruug, can you paste the output of df -h in paste.debian.org? |
| 16:37.19 | Brigo | domsson, install pmount. It will be easier to use |
| 16:37.21 | domsson | Brigo: no, the (only) user is not in the user group, but in a group that has the same name as the user. |
| 16:37.38 | kruug | Brigo: http://paste.debian.net/107054/ |
| 16:38.06 | Brigo | domsson, i am in the group users, my be that is the problem |
| 16:38.24 | domsson | is installing pmount, hoping that it won't confuse the whole system more than it already seems to be :) |
| 16:39.00 | Brigo | kruug, try in /var (df -h /var will tell you ) |
| 16:39.21 | jmcnaught | kruug: the "du" command can help you figure out the usage of different directories. One place to start might be the "apt-get clean" command, which gets rid of cached .deb files. My guess is you have a lot of stuff in /var |
| 16:39.26 | domsson | Brigo, pmount is installed. And: if the user should be in the 'user' group, shouldn't the system have put him there in the first place? (During install / initial setup) |
| 16:39.43 | Brigo | domsson, really i am not sure |
| 16:40.05 | kruug | yeah, that helped a bit |
| 16:40.07 | kruug | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/107055/ |
| 16:40.11 | kruug | Brigo: ^ |
| 16:40.12 | Brigo | umoun then the card and try pmount /dev/sdb1 |
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| 16:40.51 | Brigo | kruug, sorry, du -h i meant, like jmcnaught told you. |
| 16:40.55 | jmcnaught | kruug: instead of "df -h /var" (which is just showing you / because /var doesn't have its own volume) use "du -h /var" |
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| 16:41.11 | domsson | Brigo, I will. To unmount, I'd use `umount /dev/sdb1` although I mounted it with `mount /media/usb0` I guess? |
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| 16:41.23 | Brigo | yes, you can |
| 16:41.49 | jmcnaught | kruug: also if this is a desktop, you might have "baobab" installed which is a nice GUI for figuring out disk usage |
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| 16:42.00 | kruug | wow, that's a lot of files in /var |
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| 16:42.17 | kruug | jmcnaught: yeah, this is a desktop, but I'm currently in via PuTTY |
| 16:42.37 | Brigo | kruug, always :) |
| 16:42.42 | jmcnaught | kruug: now that you have some free space you might be able to run a desktop session again |
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| 16:43.05 | kruug | jmcnaught: lol, it's because I'm at work and the machine is at home, not because of disk space :) |
| 16:43.42 | jmcnaught | kruug: "du -h" is pretty useful though, it should show you a total at the bottom |
| 16:43.50 | kruug | 4.4G in /var |
| 16:43.55 | domsson | Brigo, that did the trick. I was now able to save a file to the sd card as regular user. Thanks a lot for your help already! I hope you're going to bear with me to tackle the automount now :) Because I don't want to remember and type `pmount /dev/sdb1` every single time, espec. because 'sdb1' might change if I'm not mistaken? |
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| 16:44.53 | Brigo | domsson, automount needs to detect the card plugin, but if you want, install udisks-glue |
| 16:44.56 | Brigo | and try it |
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| 16:46.17 | Brigo | domsson, and yes, sdb1 might change, sdb1 is the second storage unit. If you remove the sd card and insert a usb stick -for example- it will become sdb1 |
| 16:46.32 | kruug | thanks |
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| 16:46.36 | Brigo | and the next will become sdc1, and sdd1, and so. |
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| 16:51.10 | domsson | Brigo, so the fstab entry might become 'invalid'? I really wonder "who" put that entry there anyway. And... udisks-glue will be able to handle it properly? |
| 16:51.30 | domsson | Also, I wonder if pmount is using the fstab entry or if I should / could remove it. |
| 16:51.41 | Brigo | domsson, the fstab entry should be deleted, yes. |
| 16:51.53 | Brigo | pmount do not use fstab at all (good boy) |
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| 16:52.32 | Brigo | i do not for sure udisks-glue will do it, but if sucess in my laptop |
| 16:52.40 | Brigo | s/if/it |
| 16:52.43 | domsson | Alright, I deleted (well, I was a chicken and just put a # in front) the entry in fstab. :) |
| 16:53.11 | Brigo | domsson, you are not a chicken, you are smart |
| 16:53.24 | Brigo | or we both are chickens, i am not sru :-m |
| 16:53.31 | Brigo | sure* |
| 16:53.48 | some-cowbell | smart chickens peck the joketeller until HE crosses the road... |
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| 16:53.53 | Brigo | umount the sd card and run udisks-glue and let see |
| 16:54.18 | domsson | Installing. |
| 16:54.55 | some-cowbell | ok, I seem to have an fglrx module for this kernel now, let's try a reboot |
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| 16:55.52 | domsson | Brigo, running udisks-glue seems to have worked, although it created a rather cryptic mount point (/media/28B5-C626) |
| 16:56.33 | Brigo | yes, it is intended for graphic users :) |
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| 16:57.47 | Brigo | domsson, but nothing is perfect ... You must launch it on every boot |
| 16:58.51 | domsson | Brigo, well that seems like a bad solution considering that the card might not be inserted. By the way, can I just take the card out or do I need to umount it before? |
| 16:59.10 | domsson | Also: this brings us (well, me) back to the initial problem of "having to put it in before booting" ;) |
| 16:59.34 | Brigo | domsson, you need to umount it, i think the graphic interface will be nice for it |
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| 17:00.13 | domsson | udisks-glue has a GUI? |
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| 17:01.49 | Brigo | no, is only a workarroud for udisk or so |
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| 17:02.09 | SynrGy | if you want a gui, use nautilus, pcmanfm, etc. |
| 17:02.12 | domsson | Apart from that, back to the "weirdly named folder" first. Let's say I want to store some application data on the sd card (for example, Blender models), then I would want the path to stay the same in order for Blender (or whatever program) to be able to open "recently opened files" and so on. Do you know if it is possible to customize the mount point (folder name) so it will always be the same (and something "readable")? |
| 17:02.22 | SynrGy | they'll talk to a udisks backend directly to automount |
| 17:02.38 | some-cowbell | Hmm. modprobe fglrx says no supported devices found |
| 17:02.47 | babilen | With that in mind it is particularly interesting to learn that Danish online banking seems to run exclusively on Java |
| 17:02.49 | SynrGy | i use udisks-glue because i don't care to run a file manager constantly when i only really use one 1% of the time. |
| 17:02.59 | babilen | ECHAN |
| 17:03.07 | Brigo | domsson, i think it will always be the same. I do not know if you can customice them |
| 17:03.21 | domsson | SynrG, nah, I don't needa GUI, I just thought that Brigo tried to tell me there is one when he said "i think the graphic interface will be nice for it" |
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| 17:04.31 | Brigo | domsson, you do not use graphic interface? and what that stuff about blender, then? :) |
| 17:04.44 | SynrGy | domsson: regarding "cryptic mount point" probably |
| 17:04.44 | domsson | Brigo, by the way - what's better about using udisks-glue over pmount (seems like both do the same thing?) |
| 17:04.55 | SynrGy | i.e. you don't really need to worry about it because you click on it |
| 17:04.59 | some-cowbell | maybe he meant doesn't use a gui for one specific thing |
| 17:05.03 | SynrGy | (via file manager or so) |
| 17:05.35 | SynrGy | domsson: also, that "cryptic" mountpoint is just the filesystem label, defaulting to its id if you didn't label it |
| 17:05.39 | SynrGy | domsson: so just label it :) |
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| 17:06.13 | SynrGy | e.g. label "xfer" would be mounted as /media/xfer or so |
| 17:06.14 | domsson | SynrGy, I see. Still, if a program (let's say Blender) remembers a file in one session ("/media/cryptic-dir-1/model.blend"), and then tries to open it in the next session, this might not work as the path might have changed to /media/crpytic-dir-2/model.blend - which is... well, not ideal :) |
| 17:06.19 | Brigo | domsson, yes, you can customize it: man udisks-glue.conf |
| 17:06.36 | SynrGy | domsson: it's called a "removable" media for a reason |
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| 17:06.55 | SynrGy | domsson: as long as it is the same removable media, that id is stable |
| 17:07.12 | Brigo | and the same label :) |
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| 17:07.17 | SynrGy | it only "might have changed" if you changed the filesystem |
| 17:07.44 | domsson | SynrGy, true, but I guess this might be one reason why Wind*ws (tries to) give the same drive letter to the same devices every time. But anyway, what about those labels? I didn't quite get what they are or how to use them. Sounds good though. ;) |
| 17:08.15 | Brigo | all filesystems have labels (afaik) |
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| 17:08.19 | domsson | Ah, so udisks-glue would give the same card the same "ID" (or whatever that is) every time you think? |
| 17:08.19 | SynrGy | drive letters are a bit stupid for removable media, as depending on which order you plug them in, they get different letters |
| 17:08.25 | SynrGy | so they aren't stable at all |
| 17:08.51 | Brigo | domsson, yes it will do it. |
| 17:08.52 | domsson | SynrGy, yeah, maybe I'm wrong about how they work to be honest. :p |
| 17:08.55 | MartinCleaver | hoo f*sking hooray for CDs |
| 17:08.59 | domsson | Brigo, ah, well that's nice. |
| 17:09.16 | SynrGy | and udisks-glue isn't responsible for the naming. a lower level is |
| 17:09.48 | domsson | Okay, so I can now use `pmount` or `udisks-glue` to mount the card as user, which is nice. I have yet to understand which one to use - what's the difference? |
| 17:10.09 | domsson | I guess it might be irrelevant as both achieve the same thing? |
| 17:10.35 | domsson | tries to get a thorough understanding - sorry if that leads to a lot of questions ;| |
| 17:10.36 | Brigo | domsson, usually when you create a filesystem you add a label, if you want. If not, you have some tools for do it like dosfslabel for msdos, or fatlabel |
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| 17:11.09 | Brigo | domsson, `udisks-glue` will automount everything you plug |
| 17:11.24 | Brigo | pmount needs to be executed by you. |
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| 17:12.48 | domsson | Brigo, alright, that makes sense. Now, I still have to umount before I take it out. Plus, because of the kernel bug (or whatever it is) I probably have to remember to put it in before I turn the machine on. |
| 17:13.20 | Brigo | or try some workarrounds :D |
| 17:13.44 | domsson | The umounting part seems a bit tedious in the long run; maybe there are tools that detect the 'unplugging' of an sd card and will issue the umount command automatically, just like those automount tools (which failed for me, ha ha)? |
| 17:13.53 | Brigo | domsson, you always have to umount. The system can not guess when you will unplug the card |
| 17:13.56 | domsson | Yes, I'll try all of the workaround from that bug report launchpad soon. |
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| 17:15.00 | Brigo | domsson, it is impossible to detect the unplug procces before you unplug the card |
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| 17:18.29 | domsson | I see. Woah, this is all pretty... complicated. :) In any case, I learned that there are - as usual - a dozen ways to achieve the (roughly) same result, I learned that I'm suffering from some kind of bug and that no matter what, some manual work will always be included. At least I can finally access the SD card when using all the workarounds. Therefore: thanks a lot for all your help! |
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| 17:19.09 | Brigo | your are wellcome :) |
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| 17:20.02 | domsson | Also, in case you are interested - it seems there is a way to get the same device to always mount with the same, self-defined name. Described here: https://workaround.org/mount-usb-memory-sticks |
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| 17:20.22 | domsson | Sadly, this is relying on the fstab entry, so I'm not sure if I can combine that with pmount / udisks-glue ;-) |
| 17:21.24 | Brigo | domsson, you can not, but you do not need it :) |
| 17:22.00 | domsson | Oh well, alright. Guess it is time to grab dinner then. Cheers and thanks again :) |
| 17:22.44 | jwwwww | I have some troubles loading modules that require firmwares on my arm chromebook( running debian jessie ). when I load a module for a wireless nic, bluetooth,phone the module crash.does somebody got a clue on how I can find what's the problem ? |
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| 17:32.32 | furhun | The Gnome Network applet says UNAVAILABLE next to wireless... also, if i open the network settings dialog, the OPTIONS button is disabled.. |
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| 17:34.06 | reactormonk | furhun, try `ip a` in a console and tell us what the status is next to your wireless device, e.g. <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> |
| 17:34.29 | furhun | reactormonk: dunno if itd help but right now im connected through WICD.. |
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| 17:35.05 | furhun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:35.28 | reactormonk | looks good |
| 17:35.41 | furhun | what? mine? |
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| 17:38.58 | furhun | um.. reactormonk? |
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| 17:40.54 | reactormonk | what else? |
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| 17:42.39 | furhun | reactormonk: what else what? |
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| 17:46.18 | furhun | :/ |
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| 17:46.54 | furhun | reactormonk? |
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| 17:49.27 | furhun | okay, anyone else? |
| 17:50.24 | SynrGy | furhun: replace wicd with NM. problem solved. |
| 17:50.54 | furhun | i thought about that.. WICD is like clashing with the other manager right? |
| 17:51.03 | SynrGy | (also make sure you don't have wlan0, or whatever your wireless device is in /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 17:51.09 | furhun | how do i replace it though? quit wicd and start nm? |
| 17:51.15 | furhun | ah.. i might have to check |
| 17:51.16 | SynrGy | why did you install wicd to begin with? |
| 17:51.24 | furhun | cause i was on icewm.. |
| 17:51.29 | SynrGy | i see |
| 17:51.35 | SynrGy | not a good enough reason :) |
| 17:51.43 | furhun | haha the CLI tools werent working |
| 17:51.45 | SynrGy | network-manager-gnome would work fine on icewm |
| 17:51.56 | furhun | and i desperately needed wifi to work.. ah so i should do what now? |
| 17:52.12 | SynrGy | purge wicd and use network-manager-gnome, i guess? |
| 17:52.24 | furhun | cant i keep wicd and do this? :P |
| 17:52.35 | SynrGy | it's crap. why would you want to keep it? |
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| 17:52.42 | SynrGy | tell me one good reason it is better than the alternative |
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| 17:52.51 | furhun | no reason :D |
| 17:52.51 | SynrGy | and no, "it's not gnomeish" isn't a good reason |
| 17:53.05 | SynrGy | wicd: claims to be light. isn't |
| 17:53.13 | furhun | # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback |
| 17:53.20 | SynrGy | wicd: was formerly touted as "works better than NM". it doesn't. |
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| 17:53.25 | furhun | this is the output of the file.. no WLAN0.. right? |
| 17:53.26 | SynrGy | is basically abandoned upstream. |
| 17:53.51 | SynrGy | yeah. you've wrapped it funny but ... no wlan0 |
| 17:54.04 | SynrGy | but you'll need to purge wicd to be able to use gnome network manager. |
| 17:54.10 | furhun | done purging |
| 17:54.17 | furhun | funny how im still connected :O |
| 17:54.31 | SynrGy | yeah. gnome just doesn't know it |
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| 17:55.00 | furhun | how do i install the networkmanagergnome? |
| 17:55.09 | SynrGy | it probably is installed anyway. you said: |
| 17:55.16 | SynrGy | 14:32 < furhun> The Gnome Network applet says UNAVAILABLE next to wireless... also, if i open the network settings dialog, the OPTIONS button is disabled.. |
| 17:55.39 | SynrGy | check for 'network-manager-gnome'. if you have gnome installed, that will be there. |
| 17:55.42 | reactormonk | furhun, stop pinging people |
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| 17:56.59 | furhun_ | SynrGy? |
| 17:57.15 | furhun_ | how do i switch to the gnome one? |
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| 17:57.29 | SynrGy | furhun_: lost your connection finally? |
| 17:57.31 | SynrGy | 14:55 < SynrGy> check for 'network-manager-gnome'. if you have gnome installed, that will be there. |
| 17:57.42 | furhun_ | its installed yes |
| 17:57.57 | furhun_ | but now what? do i need to reboot to get it working and integrated? |
| 17:57.59 | SynrGy | then the applet should be able to see networks |
| 17:58.02 | SynrGy | possibly |
| 17:58.05 | furhun_ | its not |
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| 17:58.32 | SynrGy | reboot |
| 17:58.36 | furhun_ | hang on |
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| 18:00.53 | Tylertwo | Hey, so this was quite strange. For no apparent reason my cursor graphic changed from the default to this odd graphic that was a sorta vertical slash. So.. I rebooted my computer and then X wouldn't load.. So I rebooted again and now everything seems to be back to normal... Any idea what happened? |
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| 18:05.22 | furhun_ | SynrGy? |
| 18:05.49 | babilen | furhun_: Just ask |
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| 18:06.21 | furhun_ | ah well i just purged wicd and reset my pc to get Network manager to work |
| 18:06.46 | furhun_ | WICD was still there and running though network manager was working too *_* |
| 18:07.23 | furhun_ | i tried an apt-get remove wicd and ended up doing an auto remove.. which removed the DAEMON and shit.. wicd is STIlLL running.. _S |
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| 18:08.01 | furhun_ | asdf |
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| 18:08.42 | mms_ | debian I compiled 3.15.2 kernel and for make install it generated initrd image and also grub.cfg....so now I should do grub_install ? |
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| 18:10.38 | ln_ | hello, what is the current GUI Packagemanagement tool for KDE. I heard about KPackagekit but it's not in the repos. Then I heard about Muon but thats also not in the repo. What do I use? |
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| 18:11.12 | furhun | where can i find the rc.conf file for X |
| 18:11.24 | furhun | dpkg: tell me about X |
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| 18:14.33 | furhun | ? |
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| 18:14.55 | furhun | On freeBSD there was this RC.CONF file for managing startup apps and stuff.. whats the debian equivalent? |
| 18:15.10 | mms_ | on booting in to linux3 kernel I am stuck with turned off screen |
| 18:15.24 | furhun | btw.. e.g. i want to mange stuff like which WM to start and which DM to use e.t.c. |
| 18:15.31 | furhun | mms_: try updating bios |
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| 18:15.48 | mms_ | how ? |
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| 18:16.14 | mms_ | netbook hpmini 1030 nr I have |
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| 18:19.11 | furhun_ | how do i disable GDM> |
| 18:19.22 | furhun_ | dpkg tell me |
| 18:19.59 | furhun_ | okay dpkg doesnt know... can anyone tell me how i can disable GDM and boot right into the console? |
| 18:20.40 | mms_ | instructions to update bios seems to be for windows |
| 18:20.59 | furhun_ | mms_: i think it can be done via FreeDOS too |
| 18:21.14 | mms_ | update bios seems bit drastic |
| 18:21.21 | mms_ | sure its due to bios ? |
| 18:21.37 | sandman13 | gdm? of gnome? |
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| 18:22.00 | abrotman | dpkg: tell furhun_ about nodm |
| 18:22.50 | furhun_ | mms_: there was a time when i used to experience this every time i tried windows8 or a previosu release.. for ages i thought it was a video diver issue |
| 18:22.51 | Brigo | !tell furhun_ about nodm |
| 18:23.12 | furhun_ | but i tried connecting an external monitor and it worked.. then i simply updated the BIOS |
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| 18:23.32 | ln_ | furhun_, theresno single rc.conf in debian has a directoriesin etc called rc.* corresponding to the runlevels |
| 18:24.35 | furhun_ | ln_: yes i noticed.. btw i dont get this NODM>.. |
| 18:25.59 | abrotman | because when I did it, it wasn't enough ? |
| 18:26.01 | furhun_ | hey, would adding an '#' therefore commenting the line do the trick? |
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| 18:26.41 | ln_ | if you want to handle service statups manually you can install sysv-rc-conf and have a look |
| 18:26.47 | furhun_ | i.e. to the /etc/X11/default-display-manager ... if i comment the only line thats present.. |
| 18:27.29 | ln_ | dpkg: tell me about nodm |
| 18:27.56 | furhun_ | okay, next question.. when i normally do a startx, it boots me into gnome.. how can i select a different one? xinit icewm? |
| 18:28.04 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ln_ about selftell |
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| 18:28.17 | furhun_ | dpkg: tell me about selftell |
| 18:28.35 | furhun_ | lol |
| 18:28.50 | ln_ | abrotman, got it |
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| 18:29.26 | furhun_ | abrotman: i dont get nodm.. is it like we wont have to do startx ? :D |
| 18:29.39 | abrotman | I dont' get your question lololololollolo |
| 18:29.47 | furhun_ | who me? |
| 18:29.53 | abrotman | furhun_: what are you trying to do? What is your goal? |
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| 18:30.23 | furhun_ | look, i want the pc to boot into a console.. i should start the x AND the WM or DE myself and amnually |
| 18:30.27 | furhun_ | *manually |
| 18:31.17 | furhun_ | abrotman: get it now?? |
| 18:31.19 | abrotman | then do what the bot told you from nodm |
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| 18:31.26 | abrotman | furhun_: get it now?? |
| 18:31.31 | furhun_ | haha :D |
| 18:31.34 | abrotman | not amused |
| 18:31.46 | furhun_ | i commented the lines in /etc/X11/default-display-manager... this ought to disable the gdm? |
| 18:32.02 | furhun_ | commenting would do the trick right.. just like deleting would? |
| 18:32.09 | abrotman | try it and see? |
| 18:32.19 | mms_ | upgrade caused this so still bios issue ? |
| 18:32.20 | furhun_ | abrotman: sounds like a plan.. |
| 18:32.24 | abrotman | this isn't the space shuttle .. |
| 18:32.38 | furhun_ | abrotman: wheredoes the shuttle come in? |
| 18:32.52 | abrotman | go try it .. quit being difficult |
| 18:33.02 | furhun_ | how do i set which wm to start with startx? |
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| 18:35.12 | mms_ | there is recovery mode also so may be I can try that ? |
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| 18:36.29 | mms_ | I have booted into recovery console |
| 18:36.40 | mms_ | any thing I should do from here ? |
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| 18:38.37 | furhun | okay commenting the file worked.. but theres one more thing |
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| 18:38.55 | furhun | when i run startx, it boots me into GNOME.. i want to be able to select which one to boot into |
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| 18:39.26 | furhun | also, "startx gnome-session/icewm" doenst work since it keeps this stupid xterm window open that you cant close.. |
| 18:39.31 | Guest30035 | is there still a mkisofs??? |
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| 18:39.39 | furhun | abrotman: there pal? |
| 18:40.23 | abrotman | then change the file that controls that |
| 18:40.53 | furhun | abrotman: exactly! but where is that file? |
| 18:40.58 | furhun | is it xinitrc? |
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| 18:42.34 | abrotman | try it and see .. |
| 18:42.44 | abrotman | 'man startx' .. learn |
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| 18:43.49 | mms_ | when I compiled kernel it said it created initrd image so I did not manually run mkinitrd..I hope thats right thing. |
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| 18:45.28 | furhun | abrotman: i dont get you.. |
| 18:45.54 | abrotman | likewise |
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| 18:46.03 | furhun | :S oh come on |
| 18:46.23 | Guest30035 | is there still a mkisofs??? |
| 18:46.45 | Guest30035 | its not in an apt repo or anywhere |
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| 18:48.18 | floyin | ~$ apt-cache search mkisofs |
| 18:48.19 | floyin | xorriso - command line ISO-9660 and Rock Ridge manipulation tool |
| 18:48.21 | floyin | ? |
| 18:48.59 | brightkill | floyin, install it |
| 18:49.05 | brightkill | apt-get install xorriso |
| 18:49.25 | Guest30035 | O.o |
| 18:49.38 | floyin | brightkill: I was suggesting that as a possiblilty to Guest30035 |
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| 18:49.50 | brightkill | oh |
| 18:49.50 | brightkill | ok |
| 18:50.04 | floyin | np |
| 18:50.06 | Guest30035 | thx floyin |
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| 18:51.45 | Guest30035 | i heard oftc.net has also debian channels? |
| 18:51.54 | floyin | Guest30035: Guest30035, I looked a little more and you may find that genisoimage has replaced mkisofs |
| 18:52.51 | Guest30035 | flowyin: yes |
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| 18:57.51 | Guest30035 | mhh what i tried, didnt seem to work -.-.. |
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| 18:58.09 | Guest30035 | anyone familiar with persistence on debian live distributions? |
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| 18:58.55 | abrotman | Guest30035: perhaps you want #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:59.22 | Guest30035 | abrotman: i might thinks so too, thx |
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| 19:01.14 | andrewrk | I have accidentally blocked myself out of my unstable box by upgrading openssl and not openssh |
| 19:01.37 | andrewrk | if I mount the file system on another machine, would I be able to use apt-get for the mounted file system? |
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| 19:21.14 | AquaL1te | whois aqual1te |
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| 19:22.56 | martinus | Hi #debian. Would anyone be able to give me the "Like I'm five" description of why adding PPA repos to my unstable install would be a terrible idea? Google is somewhat limited other than a few how-tos. |
| 19:23.33 | formorer | because ppas are for ubuntu. and noone says that the dependencys fit. |
| 19:24.31 | martinus | surely aptitude would immediately red-flag any package that wasn't available? |
| 19:25.12 | jmcnaught | martinus: Ubuntu and Debian are not compatible. They use a lot of the same software, but there are enough differences that you don't want to mix the two |
| 19:25.16 | formorer | it can also try to fullfil the deps with installing several stuff from ubuntu which break ylour system afterwards |
| 19:25.20 | formorer | you can never know |
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| 19:27.19 | martinus | Cheers, I'm aware that Canonical have gone their own way on a lot of things and am vaguely aware that there was some tension over the creation of non-debian compatible deb packages. |
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| 19:27.55 | martinus | Good to know thre are consequences without having to break my system. :) |
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| 19:28.27 | jmcnaught | martinus: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian might be of interest for you :) |
| 19:28.38 | martinus | Haha! Thanks. :) |
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| 19:29.33 | martinus | I've been using debian as a desktop (and a server on a sheevaplug) for many years now, you'd think I'd be up to scratch on this by now. :D |
| 19:30.11 | Rug | martinus: don't feel bad, some of this stuff sneaks up on all of us |
| 19:30.20 | rsw | is there a method for downloading sets of webpages within a domain, using wget or similar? |
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| 19:31.19 | rsw | my wireless connection cuts in and out, and i'd specifically like to read long documents like the BSD for Linux users guide at over-yonder.net/~fullermd for local reading |
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| 19:32.15 | martinus | Is there a debian equivalent to Ubuntu's PlayDeb (ironic name, no?) |
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| 19:32.53 | jelly-home | what does it do, martinus? |
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| 19:33.37 | martinus | It's sort of a Steam for Ubuntu - a centralised repo of FOSS games. I've seen a few games producers use it as a distribution platform. |
| 19:33.47 | martinus | http://www.playdeb.net/welcome/ |
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| 19:35.01 | jmcnaught | rsw: i'm pretty sure that wget can download multiple pages recursively, you could check the man page |
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| 19:35.45 | martinus | Note, some of the games available via PlayDeb are already in the debian repos. |
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| 19:37.47 | phogg | martinus: most of them are available in debian repos or have .debs you can easily get. I've got almost all of the strategy ones installed now, in fact. It looks like playdeb is just a nice way to display them. |
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| 19:39.54 | designs | hello all, new debian user here. Should I will be adding the contrib and nonfree parts to my sources.list but should I be putting any configuerations inside sources.list.d? |
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| 19:40.09 | martinus | phogg: For the most part, I agree. There are a few notable games (UFO:Alien Invasion for example) that only produce Ubuntu packages exclusively on PlayDeb. The UFO:AI team used to host debian packages but at present compiling from source is the only option. |
| 19:40.14 | designs | So*** "ment to start with So** |
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| 19:42.16 | jmcnaught | martinus: one thing you could try is having Ubuntu in a schroot for installing games: https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot (I haven't tried it myself, but saw it recommended as a way of getting Steam on Wheezy) |
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| 19:42.23 | designs | Does anyone here use sources.list.d for configerations or should I just modify sources.list? |
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| 19:42.42 | zq | i use .d occasionally |
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| 19:43.27 | jmcnaught | designs: i have backports and mozilla.debian.net in sources.list.d, the primary wheezy repos (including contrib and non-free) in the main sources.list |
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| 19:43.33 | martinus | cheers, jmcnaught. I actually installed Steam under debian (non-foss, boooo, etc. etc. ;) ) and it works very well. |
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| 19:44.14 | designs | awesome, will follow that structure then. It seems like a good idea to have backports seperate |
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| 19:44.38 | designs | Do i need to add some sort of include command at th end of my sources.list for sources.list.d?>? |
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| 19:45.08 | babilen | designs: No, all files whose name ends in .list will be included from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 19:45.09 | jmcnaught | designs: nope, anything in sources.list.d will be included automatically. make sure the file name ends in .list |
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| 19:45.33 | designs | okay thanks guys |
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| 19:46.35 | martinus | many thanks for the help, guys. :) |
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| 19:49.25 | MartinCleaver | I redid my install, based on the LVM option, took all the defaults |
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| 19:49.33 | MartinCleaver | and it fails to boot |
| 19:49.39 | MartinCleaver | Volume group not found |
| 19:49.54 | MartinCleaver | restrains himself |
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| 19:59.38 | correct | who offers better support than Rackspace for their cloud service offering? |
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| 19:59.54 | abrotman | correct: not #debian .. please ask an appropriate channel, perhaps #defocus |
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| 20:00.40 | correct | well.. I wanted a host that offers strong debian support |
| 20:00.44 | correct | is that not related? |
| 20:00.46 | abrotman | dpkg: tell correct about hosting |
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| 20:01.06 | abrotman | But we wouldn't know about their cloud support or how ti compares to RackSpace |
| 20:01.25 | Rug | correct: send me a message if you would like my answer. |
| 20:01.55 | abrotman | or use #debian-offtopic |
| 20:02.01 | abrotman | it's not really apprpriate for here |
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| 20:03.00 | Rug | I have a nagios based question (on my debian servers) ;^) |
| 20:03.03 | babilen | (perfectly fine in #debian-offtopic though) |
| 20:03.08 | Rug | I have a really stupid question/problem. I have a couple of clients configured to provide simple data (free disk space, CPU usage, uptime, etc..) I have verified that the NRPE service is listening on those clients. What file do I edit to tell the server to go look for those clients? |
| 20:03.12 | babilen | Rug: There is #icinga and #nagios |
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| 20:03.26 | Rug | babilen: yeah I have tried in there with no response. |
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| 20:06.04 | babilen | Rug: Okay, you probably want to have something like "cfg_dir=/etc/icinga/sites" in your your /etc/icinga/icinga.cfg and then in /etc/icinga/sites/*/*.cfg you can define checks for hosts and services. |
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| 20:07.30 | babilen | Rug: You don't have to introduce that additional layer and you could just use /etc/icinga/sites/{hosts,services}.cfg in which you define, well, those two things. http://docs.icinga.org/latest/en/objectdefinitions.html#host + http://docs.icinga.org/latest/en/objectdefinitions.html#service |
| 20:09.04 | Rug | babilen: thanks. |
| 20:10.07 | babilen | Rug: An examples for a host would be http://paste.debian.net/107076/ for a host check (requires that contactgroup to be defined already, which we do in global/contacts.cfg ) |
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| 20:11.42 | Rug | babilen: this is excellent; thank-you |
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| 20:14.36 | babilen | Rug: On the clients you naturally need to define those NRPE checks on the hosts in /etc/nagios/nrpe.cfg (e.g. "command[check_load]=/usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_load -w 15,10,5 -c 30,25,10" in there for http://paste.debian.net/107078/ ) |
| 20:15.47 | babilen | Rug: That gives you the group of hosts you monitor (each of which will have a suitable NRPE config in which you enable the checks for each "service" check you want to monitor). You enable that on the icinga host by enumerating them in services.cfg |
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| 20:16.14 | babilen | What I haven't shown are contact groups, timeperiods and whatnot, but that should get you started |
| 20:16.56 | zq | ugh |
| 20:16.57 | Rug | I understand, and yes just getting it 'started' was my biggest hangup. (or so I thought) |
| 20:17.09 | zq | anyone here understand ip routing? |
| 20:17.36 | Rug | zq: I deal with it a lot, and hate it. I might be able to help |
| 20:17.49 | babilen | zq: No, try ##networking or #VENDOR (for VENDOR in [juniper, cisco, mikrotik, ...]) |
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| 20:19.12 | zq | Rug: i have one iface wlan0 assigned a lan ip. every ping i send on this host to that lan ip gets shortcircuited to the local stack, right? |
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| 20:20.44 | Rug | zq: I am a little unclear by what you mean. short-cutted ? |
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| 20:20.50 | kruug | is tuptime (http://tuptime.sourceforge.net/) a good way to track total uptime for a server? Is there a better solution out there? |
| 20:20.58 | kruug | Bascially, I've been having recent issues with my hosted server since my VPS vendor upgraded the host kernel, but they guarantee 99.9% uptime. I want to see if that's actually kept... |
| 20:21.05 | zq | Rug: sure, shortcutted |
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| 20:21.53 | zq | Rug: the point is that ping <lan ip> gets sent over loopback instead of to the gateway |
| 20:22.14 | Rug | Ahh that's different |
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| 20:22.24 | Rug | I understand what you are talking about now. |
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| 20:23.06 | zq | cool. now how do i force my host to instead send every packet to the gateway first? |
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| 20:23.24 | Rug | zq: join me in #zq-networking so we don't flood this channel |
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| 20:23.58 | babilen | Why don't you take it to ##networking? It the perfect channel for that fill of knowledgeable people |
| 20:24.14 | babilen | Ah, zq is there already |
| 20:24.16 | zq | Rug: i'm actually at ##networking already |
| 20:24.17 | Rug | yeah that would be a good plzce to get help too |
| 20:24.34 | Rug | hehe |
| 20:24.47 | Ool | Rug: read the doc no use to crosspost |
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| 20:26.06 | Rug | Ool: what are you refering to? |
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| 20:36.29 | MartinCleaver | hey - so - new install… lvm fails to start |
| 20:36.52 | MartinCleaver | I can force it to work with vgchange -a y |
| 20:36.58 | MartinCleaver | and then ctrl-d |
| 20:37.09 | MartinCleaver | but what the heck, how do I make this permanent? |
| 20:37.20 | MartinCleaver | learnt this from http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/11125/lvm-devices-under-dev-mapper-missing |
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| 20:37.52 | MartinCleaver | apt-get says lvm2 was already installed |
| 20:38.38 | MartinCleaver | init says Default-Start: S |
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| 20:38.50 | MartinCleaver | maybe that’s not early enough? |
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| 20:40.37 | MartinCleaver | guesses with initramfs |
| 20:40.44 | MartinCleaver | reboots |
| 20:41.01 | fcp13 | hello please when i check my fdislk -l appears Partition 2 does not start on physical sector boundary. |
| 20:41.01 | fcp13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.05 | fcp13 | anyone can help? |
| 20:41.12 | fcp13 | the disk have 2 months |
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| 20:41.33 | fcp13 | i think the problem isn't harddisk |
| 20:41.36 | MartinCleaver | no idea, sorry fcp13 |
| 20:41.50 | MartinCleaver | it’s a bit of a ghost town in here at the moment |
| 20:41.55 | PryMar56 | MartinCleaver, dpkg-reconfigure lvm2 <-- will setup lvm2 in the initramfs |
| 20:42.07 | MartinCleaver | ah, thanks PryMar56 |
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| 20:42.33 | GuidovanPossum | hello, is it possible to resize an encrypted lvm partition after install? |
| 20:42.53 | MartinCleaver | reboots yet again |
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| 20:44.24 | fcp13 | heya is only the swap parttion :) |
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| 20:47.39 | designs | i just updated my sources.list, can someone please take a look to make sure I did it write. that is adding contrib and nonfree |
| 20:47.41 | designs | http://pastebin.com/YYByTsjj |
| 20:47.50 | MartinCleaver | reboots to test lvm |
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| 20:48.38 | designs | right** |
| 20:48.45 | MartinCleaver | nope, didn’t fix it, I still see “Volume group “debian” not found etc etc |
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| 20:49.09 | MartinCleaver | was I supposed to type something after dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 20:49.17 | MartinCleaver | (PryMar56) |
| 20:50.26 | PryMar56 | MartinCleaver, when you typed that, did you see a rebuild of initramfs? |
| 20:50.50 | MartinCleaver | yes |
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| 20:51.04 | designs | Can anyone review my sources.list to make sure that I added contrib and non-free correctlry: http://pastebin.com/YYByTsjj |
| 20:51.07 | MartinCleaver | with just a warning about some network drivers |
| 20:51.07 | MartinCleaver | but it did complete |
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| 20:51.32 | PryMar56 | MartinCleaver, so you know any possible VG's are activated at boot and available for /root |
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| 20:52.18 | LtL | designs: it's correct, update it |
| 20:52.29 | MartinCleaver | I get /dev/mapper/debian-root does not exist |
| 20:52.34 | designs | now just run aptitude update right? |
| 20:52.47 | LtL | designs: right, or apt-get update |
| 20:52.55 | designs | awesome thanks |
| 20:53.00 | LtL | np |
| 20:53.04 | MartinCleaver | back in 5 |
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| 20:58.13 | asterismo | hi people |
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| 20:58.34 | asterismo | i have an AMD FX 8120 |
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| 20:58.45 | asterismo | what architecture should i enable? |
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| 21:00.48 | asterismo | anyone? |
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| 21:01.15 | asterismo | anyway to figure out CPU architecture? |
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| 21:02.31 | jmcnaught | asterismo: "uname -a" should give you some clues. Also please be patient, everyone here volunteers their time |
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| 21:19.26 | MartinCleaver | PryMar56: am back |
| 21:20.19 | MartinCleaver | Gave up waiting for root device |
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| 21:21.05 | MartinCleaver | lvm lvdisplay shows okay |
| 21:21.07 | PryMar56 | MartinCleaver, you on bare metal or VM? do you specify root as UUID? |
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| 21:21.16 | MartinCleaver | bare metal |
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| 21:22.11 | MartinCleaver | root=/dev/mapper/debian-root |
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| 21:22.46 | MartinCleaver | but I’m surprised I have any issue - I just took the defaults during a lvm based install ;( |
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| 21:28.09 | MartinCleaver | looks blankly at the initramfs prompt |
| 21:28.56 | some-cowbell | means the kernel couldn't mount / usually |
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| 21:29.53 | some-cowbell | and I believe you mentioned the reason earlier, you're having problems getting lvm going? |
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| 21:37.37 | MartinCleaver | PryMar56: did you survive the netsplit? |
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| 21:39.25 | PryMar56 | MartinCleaver, yes still here |
| 21:39.38 | MartinCleaver | :) |
| 21:39.52 | MartinCleaver | any other ideas? Did I answer your q? |
| 21:40.18 | PryMar56 | MartinCleaver, do you have a parallel install to troubleshoot from? |
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| 21:40.57 | MartinCleaver | no, this is it. The boot drive is on an external USB at the moment if that’s relevant |
| 21:41.21 | MartinCleaver | (and I took out the internal windows drive) |
| 21:41.48 | PryMar56 | MartinCleaver, try and specify root=UUID=<ugly uuid> |
| 21:42.25 | asterismo | anyway to install latest 0ad game in Debian 7?? |
| 21:42.41 | asterismo | In 0ad webpage is only stock repo |
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| 21:43.47 | MartinCleaver | I guess that’s the onle in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 21:43.53 | MartinCleaver | s/onle/one/ |
| 21:44.32 | MartinCleaver | runs his vgchange -a y again |
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| 21:44.43 | MartinCleaver | boots |
| 21:44.49 | MartinCleaver | is there a runlevel before S? |
| 21:45.06 | MartinCleaver | seems to me it all starts too late |
| 21:45.31 | MartinCleaver | huge fail on the part of the installer |
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| 21:46.46 | PryMar56 | MartinCleaver, in deb7 lvm2 is started early in /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 21:46.55 | PryMar56 | S as in Sam |
| 21:47.36 | MartinCleaver | I see it as S05lvm2 |
| 21:48.06 | MartinCleaver | ok, so booted - where do I change to this uuid? |
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| 21:48.26 | PryMar56 | MartinCleaver, that is fine.. in your console if you see VG's activate before /root fs is mounted , then its all good |
| 21:49.18 | some-cowbell | if you look in /dev you might see dirs (or maybe one dir) named for vol groups |
| 21:49.39 | MartinCleaver | it only booted because I manually ran vgchange -a y and did ctrl-d |
| 21:50.07 | some-cowbell | oh, so that's another sign things are working pretty good |
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| 21:51.16 | some-cowbell | the thing is, that (generally) that vgchange should run before trying to mount / in case the storage for / is an lv |
| 21:51.38 | MartinCleaver | looks like it didn’t |
| 21:52.05 | some-cowbell | right, but you were able to, which means somehow you got the device mapper in |
| 21:52.39 | some-cowbell | (another thing that generally should happen before mounting /) |
| 21:53.01 | MartinCleaver | so how should vg run before mounting / ? |
| 21:53.13 | some-cowbell | in the initrd |
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| 21:53.36 | MartinCleaver | and why the heck did this fresh install with lvm not do it? |
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| 21:53.46 | MartinCleaver | I didn’t select anything special |
| 21:53.47 | some-cowbell | it's a script that runs, that makes sure modules are inserted that have to do with mounting / |
| 21:54.03 | some-cowbell | not sure. it should have. |
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| 21:54.43 | MartinCleaver | says X-Start-Before: checkfs mountall |
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| 21:55.07 | MartinCleaver | should be before mount root, is that part of mountall? |
| 21:55.20 | some-cowbell | if the install knows that / is in an lv, it should arrange for the initrd to (1) insert device mapper module, (2) vgchange -a y |
| 21:55.42 | MartinCleaver | how does it know whether / is an lv? |
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| 21:55.53 | some-cowbell | you're out of the installer now, so the initrd should have done those things if the installer had reason to believe it should |
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| 21:56.12 | Stereo | Hi everyone |
| 21:56.20 | some-cowbell | if you put an lv mounted as / during the install |
| 21:56.22 | Stereo | I have inherited a server with this /etc/network/interfaces, and the ipv6 doesn't come up when I reboot. I'm not sure what's wrong, it comes up fine when I run the 'up' commands by hand. http://pastebin.lu/mokapidayu.avrasm |
| 21:56.40 | some-cowbell | if -not-, then it doesn't need to do those things to mount / |
| 21:56.41 | MartinCleaver | I did |
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| 21:57.09 | some-cowbell | ok, what's your volume group name and your lv name for /? |
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| 21:57.33 | MartinCleaver | debian was the vg name |
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| 21:57.52 | MartinCleaver | and debian-root |
| 21:58.02 | MartinCleaver | debian-root -> ../dm-0 |
| 21:58.07 | some-cowbell | you should see a /dev/debian/debian-root since you did vgchange -a y |
| 21:58.44 | MartinCleaver | well, after the manual workaround each time, now I am in xterm etc so it all works |
| 21:58.46 | some-cowbell | oh ok, so /dev/debian/debian-root is a link to dm-0 |
| 21:58.52 | MartinCleaver | y |
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| 21:59.55 | some-cowbell | and there might also be a /dev/mapper/debian-debian-root |
| 22:00.10 | MartinCleaver | no, there is no |
| 22:00.12 | MartinCleaver | not |
| 22:00.17 | some-cowbell | maybe extra dash somewhere |
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| 22:00.40 | some-cowbell | how many things in /dev/mapper? |
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| 22:01.47 | MartinCleaver | debian-home (dm-5) , debian-root (dm-0) debian-swap_1 (dm-3) debian-tmp (dm-4) debian-usr (dm-1) debian-var (dm-2) |
| 22:02.04 | MartinCleaver | plus control |
| 22:02.14 | some-cowbell | oh wait, |
| 22:02.22 | MartinCleaver | waits |
| 22:02.24 | some-cowbell | so the volume group is called debian |
| 22:02.47 | MartinCleaver | possibly, I didn’t try to name it |
| 22:02.47 | some-cowbell | and your lvs should be called home root swap_1 tmp usr var |
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| 22:03.16 | some-cowbell | you should be able to confirm this by doing ls /dev/debian/ |
| 22:03.55 | MartinCleaver | well, lvscan says things like ACTIVE ‘/dev/debian/root’ |
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| 22:04.27 | MartinCleaver | and y, that matches /dev/debian |
| 22:04.40 | some-cowbell | (for example) you don't have "debian-root" in that dir but you do have root there, AND you have /dev/mapper/debian-root |
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| 22:04.59 | MartinCleaver | correct |
| 22:05.27 | some-cowbell | so... that much says you have a vg named debian and an lv in group debian named root |
| 22:05.52 | MartinCleaver | ok |
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| 22:06.08 | some-cowbell | it's good to have this as practice, you can see how things work a little bit |
| 22:07.14 | some-cowbell | anyway, not sure why the automatic device mapper & vgchange didn't take effect |
| 22:07.35 | MartinCleaver | :( me neither |
| 22:07.35 | some-cowbell | but at least now you can mount / |
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| 22:08.01 | MartinCleaver | well, I figured it out manually. But what a bother |
| 22:08.35 | some-cowbell | to figure it out, yes... and it's annoying to do it even tho it's just the two commands |
| 22:09.00 | some-cowbell | the only good part being it's just the two commands |
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| 22:09.43 | MartinCleaver | well, this is my first bare metal install in maybe 5 years. Not looking rosy. |
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| 22:10.26 | some-cowbell | but it won't be that forever |
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| 22:11.13 | MartinCleaver | It’s going to fix itself? |
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| 22:11.30 | some-cowbell | what it will take is to rebuild the initrd, and (I'm wondering how the rebuild process will know to add those things to the initrd) |
| 22:12.09 | some-cowbell | -potentially-, yes, but hold off, it's going to be a good thing to find out how the rebuilder would know to do that |
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| 22:13.20 | some-cowbell | and yes... finding out could be a big adventure ^W^W annoying hassle |
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| 22:13.25 | MartinCleaver | :/ |
| 22:14.05 | some-cowbell | focus on the former, and you won't be annoyed so much by the latter :) |
| 22:15.11 | some-cowbell | I don't know for sure how it all works, but I do know there are config files controlling some aspects |
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| 22:16.43 | MartinCleaver | reads https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=616689 |
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| 22:17.24 | MartinCleaver | “It seems it has been corrected in grub 2.02~beta2-8, released 31st of March. |
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| 22:17.28 | MartinCleaver | “ |
| 22:17.53 | MartinCleaver | what version of grub do I have? |
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| 22:19.31 | MartinCleaver | too long since I did this stuff |
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| 22:30.19 | MartinCleaver | how do I change what version of grub I have? |
| 22:30.25 | MartinCleaver | assumes this will fix it |
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| 22:35.49 | some-cowbell | wow... that was a nasty, grubby bug report |
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| 22:39.45 | MartinCleaver | seems I have 1.99-27+deb7u2 |
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| 22:42.15 | deezed | hello guys! Ive been using ubuntu for some years and I want to change for debian. But by checking the official debian web page I got mixed up about which is the version I should download to install it from an usb stick. Considering that I intent to have the latest stable version, can you help me out with that? |
| 22:42.42 | MartinCleaver | bites his tongue |
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| 22:46.38 | Pualzinho | I need tutorial like "how to make debian easier like mint." I am not joking. I am not a troll. |
| 22:46.40 | mhoney | is there a way to have automatic failover to secondary drive on a software raid 1 after reboot. assuming only two drives and boot is software raid 1? |
| 22:47.09 | Pualzinho | whick packages mint comes to I install in debian? |
| 22:47.16 | mhoney | Pualzinho, get mint debian edition |
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| 22:47.50 | Pualzinho | mhoney: that's rolling release. I have problems with rolling release. |
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| 22:48.23 | mhoney | Pualzinho, well you'll have to add the backports reposirory to apt |
| 22:49.01 | mhoney | do a dpkg --get-selections on a mint distro to see all packages installed |
| 22:49.29 | Pualzinho | I liked a lot new debian installer. mhoney thanks! How to add normal user to sudo? Debian has software-center from Ubuntu. Does debian has lubuntu software center? |
| 22:49.57 | mhoney | edit /etc/sudoers file and add normal user there. |
| 22:50.04 | mhoney | comments in the file will show you how |
| 22:50.21 | Pualzinho | If I install software center debian edition that will install gnome dependenciees and and gnome desktop. mhoney thanks! You are a nice dude! |
| 22:50.33 | mhoney | debian only has synaptics afaik |
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| 22:50.48 | mhoney | no prob |
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| 22:53.35 | Pualzinho | mhoney: debian has software center. do apt-get install software-center |
| 22:54.04 | mhoney | oh, good to know. I am pretty much a command line only admin. Dont use a gui much |
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| 22:54.23 | Pualzinho | mhoney: update your knowledge |
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| 22:54.59 | mhoney | Pualzinho, lol. I should, but I use Windows when I want a gui |
| 22:55.13 | Pualzinho | mhoney: nemo fans created a nemo without cinnamon dependencies on ubuntu. Debian needs software-center without gnome dependencies |
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| 23:04.35 | multi_io | killall doesn't kill processes with dashes in their name. |
| 23:05.03 | multi_io | I guess somebody should report this bug |
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| 23:05.28 | multi_io | e.g. killall google-chrome |
| 23:05.39 | Pualzinho | multi_io: thanks for tip. |
| 23:05.42 | multi_io | doesn't kill any running google-chrome processes. |
| 23:05.52 | aarcane | So I'm working on finishing maintaining a third party debian repository, right? and I'm using pbuilder and reprepro for most of the maintenance. Anyway, I want to know howw to set it up so that anyone using my repo has to use -t reponame to install packages. |
| 23:05.54 | mhoney | try pkill |
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| 23:06.17 | multi_io | mhoney: ah |
| 23:06.43 | bauhaus1919 | hello, how can i see what packages are installed, and once installed, how can i use the libraries with gcc? |
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| 23:07.01 | bauhaus1919 | im just trying to use linux |
| 23:07.04 | mhoney | do a dpkg --get-selections |
| 23:07.12 | mhoney | to see packages installed |
| 23:07.26 | bauhaus1919 | will this get packages from apt-get? |
| 23:07.37 | mhoney | yes |
| 23:07.51 | bauhaus1919 | say i install a lib, how will gcc find it? |
| 23:07.52 | mhoney | http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/show-the-list-of-installed-packages-on-ubuntu-or-debian/ |
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| 23:09.06 | bauhaus1919 | say i install a package, how will i know all the files it put on my file system |
| 23:09.08 | mhoney | bauhaus1919, probably by you path setting |
| 23:10.16 | ScottE | bauhaus1919: dpkg-query -L <package> will tell you all the files for a particular package |
| 23:10.19 | bauhaus1919 | haha yeah, that thought just occured to me ^ |
| 23:10.31 | bauhaus1919 | so how should i know what to put in my path? |
| 23:10.37 | mhoney | bauhaus1919, use "echo $PATH" to see it current search locations |
| 23:10.45 | bauhaus1919 | its not magic is it ;] |
| 23:10.57 | mhoney | bauhaus1919, https://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cs348/unix_path.html |
| 23:11.36 | bauhaus1919 | paths not the problem here :) |
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| 23:12.21 | mhoney | google for gcc environment variables |
| 23:13.08 | bauhaus1919 | do you use xorg or xfree86? |
| 23:13.58 | mhoney | niether |
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| 23:20.53 | famicom | beep |
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| 23:37.53 | drith | I am risking direct ban but I will ask for help. I am searching for famous rock song with english lyrics and some french in them. Can you give me some suggestions? |
| 23:38.25 | drith | I use latest debian :> |
| 23:38.35 | kale | drith: french as in cursing :-) |
| 23:39.14 | drith | No cursing in them I think. |
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| 23:49.41 | drith | I am risking direct ban but I will ask for help. I am searching for famous rock song with english lyrics and some french in them. Can you give me some suggestions? |
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| 23:59.46 | jmcnaught | drith: ask questions like this in #debian-offtopic or #defocus |