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| 00:03.53 | mhoney | why the heck would grub v1.99 be considered grub2 |
| 00:04.17 | mhoney | how basackwards is that for version numbering |
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| 00:09.02 | reactormonk_ | how do I load the default PATH variable? |
| 00:10.43 | Eremiell | reactormonk: depends where you defined it. most straightforward would probably be to start a new shell instance. |
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| 00:11.56 | E00650074006F | Sorry brothers, I don't get turn on my bluetooh in my debian. I think it was turn off by hardware. Some one help? |
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| 00:26.13 | blackjack | hello i got a newbie question |
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| 00:26.37 | blackjack | when i install a default debian, is the mail already functions as i could do emails? |
| 00:26.46 | blackjack | or should i set it up still? |
| 00:26.50 | blackjack | on a vps debian |
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| 00:27.10 | blackjack | mail or mailx command. |
| 00:28.54 | efi_emergency | Hey. Not sure this is the right place, but I'm truly lost. My wife's laptop broke, so I put her harddrive in mine to get her files. No luck. Now it wont start my own drive, and I think EFI is to blame. When I boot, it goes straight to BIOS. I have EFI settings in my BIOS, but I've had no luck. Disabling secure boot changes nothing, nor has reset to default. There is a menu to load EFI keys, and it finds grubx86.efi on the "Debi |
| 00:29.28 | efi_emergency | partiton), but it says "Failed" if I try to l.oad it. I truly don't know where to go from here. Any help? |
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| 00:30.45 | efi_emergency | Oh, it has an "add net boot option" option, but adding my drive as A with /grubx64.efi as the keyfile didn't help me. ASUS with an Amercian Megathrends BIOS in case it helps. |
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| 00:31.33 | blackjack | hmm |
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| 00:32.10 | efi_emergency | *new boot option |
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| 00:33.32 | blackjack | you mean |
| 00:33.42 | blackjack | your hardisk is not detected by the efi/bios? |
| 00:34.42 | efi_emergency | No, I think it detects it, but I'm not sure I understand the question. It knew I have Debian somehow in the "Set PK from File" menu, so I assume it can detect the disk |
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| 00:37.02 | blackjack | ok im really not good in this. lol. maybe you can ask in other channels too while waiting here for answers |
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| 00:38.53 | PurpleDog | has anyone here configured sendmail on their server? I installed it and tried sending a test message, but I never received it at the other end |
| 00:39.09 | PurpleDog | and I still see an active sendmail process to the recipient address |
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| 00:56.32 | jmcnaught | PurpleDog: I use Postfix instead of Sendmail. Does this server need to be an MX, or just needs to send mails? If the latter, you should consider using a null mailer like msmtp-mta, nullmailer, or even Postfix configured to be a null mailer |
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| 01:01.58 | PurpleDog | just send mails jmcnaught, I'm mostly trying to configure it to send mails with fail2ban |
| 01:02.49 | PurpleDog | Postfix looks like it was a lot more work to set up, and I don't know if my registrar allows for all the steps outlined in the guide I saw |
| 01:03.52 | jmcnaught | PurpleDog: well you don't need to configure Postfix as an MX, setting it up like this it will only send mails from that host, won't accept or relay mails: http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#null_client |
| 01:04.29 | rsw | is there a way to use usb wifi stick w/ debian win32-loader? |
| 01:04.53 | rsw | when i get to the network hardware screen it just sits blank |
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| 01:05.51 | jmcnaught | PurpleDog: but you could also use msmtp-mta (a command line mail sending tool, although it doesn't do date fields), ssmtp and nullmailer are other options. See the "reverse provides" list at the bottom of the output of "apt-cache showpkg mail-transport-agent" for a list of packages you could use |
| 01:06.16 | PurpleDog | thanks a lot jmcnaught, I'll take a look at the guide first |
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| 01:07.08 | jmcnaught | PurpleDog: some of these are "null mailers" only, some of them are full mail servers that can be configured to act as only a null mailer. Some of them are quite simple |
| 01:08.36 | cra1g321 | rsw why not just use the debian ISO with unetbootin ? |
| 01:08.58 | dvs | nope |
| 01:09.06 | dvs | win21diskimager |
| 01:09.14 | dvs | win32diskimager |
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| 01:10.24 | jmcnaught | rsw: does the installer ask you to load firmware? Have you tried using wired ethernet during the install so you can worry about configuring wifi afterwards? |
| 01:10.38 | cra1g321 | likely firmware missing |
| 01:11.15 | jmcnaught | cra1g321: unetbootin often breaks debian isos, so we generally don't recommend it here :) |
| 01:11.23 | cra1g321 | oh |
| 01:11.32 | cra1g321 | i've always used it with debian |
| 01:11.50 | jmcnaught | cra1g321: it's hit or miss, and when it's a miss it's a big mystery |
| 01:12.12 | cra1g321 | using unetbootin-windows-585 on windows 7 |
| 01:12.43 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell rsw -about firmware images |
| 01:12.57 | cra1g321 | but i've always used it since squeeze, is there a preffered gui tool ? |
| 01:13.14 | rsw | cra1g321 because im on an emachine t6524 and afaik it has no usb boot option. also the optical drives are shot. its near 10 years old |
| 01:13.29 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell cra1g321 -about win32diskimager |
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| 01:14.38 | rsw | jmcnaught i haven't seen firmware mentioned in the installer, should i look for it some place specifically? and ive got no ethernet cable on this machine but if i get one it'll probably work |
| 01:14.56 | PurpleDog | jmcnaught, for the `myhostname = hostname.example.com` line, say my domain is purpledog.com, my server hostname is "purpledog", so would I do myhostname = purpledog or myhostname = purpledog.purpledog.com? |
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| 01:15.51 | jmcnaught | rsw: if you can use ethernet it might be a lot easier |
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| 01:19.36 | jmcnaught | PurpleDog: yeah use the FQDN for the server for myhostname. You can also use it for myorigin if you want emails to arrive from "foo@purpledog.purpledog.com" instead of "foo@purpledog.com" (which might be more specific if you have multiple servers) |
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| 01:20.08 | PurpleDog | okay thanks |
| 01:20.20 | jmcnaught | PurpleDog: you can also have $myorgin set to /etc/mailname (which should be the FQDN of the server) |
| 01:21.01 | PurpleDog | on second thought, it looks like postfix might be easier to set up |
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| 01:22.41 | jmcnaught | PurpleDog: do you MX records configured for your domain? the "relayhost = $mydomain" line means "look up the MX record in DNS for my domain name, and relay emails through that MX" |
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| 01:23.44 | deepblue | no online games can be loaded in iceweasel.what's wrong? |
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| 01:24.17 | rsw | hey jmcnaught is there a guide for using this firmware package with the win32-loader? |
| 01:24.42 | dotDeb | deepblue what kind of online games? flash? |
| 01:24.53 | PurpleDog | I haven't configured MX records for my domain name jmcnaught |
| 01:25.01 | cra1g321 | think you just need to copy the firmware .deb files to the firmware folder after |
| 01:25.07 | PurpleDog | I never had a domain name until recently, so I'm still trying to figure this stuff out |
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| 01:25.39 | deepblue | dotDeb: like this : https://apps.facebook.com/artexas/?by_ref=76&by_langtype=15&by_mid=4281651&by_time=1401473135&by_sig=6580eb6135cd57632008f7cd81cc0a2f |
| 01:26.08 | jmcnaught | rsw: the firmware image factoid that the dpkg bot told you about links you to an .iso file. win32diskimager is a windows program.. have you tried running it? |
| 01:26.24 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell rsw -about win32diskimager |
| 01:26.26 | dotDeb | deepblue im on my phone so I can't view it well, but my suspicion is that it uses flash and that you don't have it installed |
| 01:26.48 | rsw | yes and ive gotten as far as network hardware configuration, tried both graphical and text-mode installers |
| 01:26.55 | deepblue | dotDeb: it's poker game |
| 01:27.14 | dotDeb | deepblue ok? |
| 01:27.34 | deepblue | dotDeb: may be java runtime is missing? |
| 01:28.09 | dotDeb | deepblue do you have flash and java installed? |
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| 01:28.36 | abrotman | about:plugins |
| 01:28.48 | deepblue | i have flash but not sure about java |
| 01:29.03 | rsw | i wish this machine could use usb boot feature, or optical drives, unfortunately neither are available. i'm trying to use the win32-loader because wubi worked although i would necessarily prefer debian over ubuntu |
| 01:29.04 | dotDeb | deepblue try installing openjdk7 |
| 01:29.06 | jmcnaught | PurpleDog: well, you probably need to configure an MX record. Is your domain registrar also providing email addresses to you? You can use the command "dig MX <domain name>" to figure out what the MX record for a domain is |
| 01:29.26 | PurpleDog | I don't think so jmcnaught |
| 01:29.50 | jmcnaught | rsw: oh.. sorry i thought you were talking about win32diskimager. I have no idea what win32-loader is |
| 01:30.35 | jmcnaught | PurpleDog: are you already recieving emails with addresses on your domain? Or is the plan that this box will be sending emails to a different email address? |
| 01:30.53 | PurpleDog | the latter jmcnaught |
| 01:31.10 | PurpleDog | I just went this box to essentially send emails to my main email address |
| 01:31.17 | PurpleDog | like an alarm system |
| 01:31.33 | rsw | its actually really awesome. i am actually getting a ethernet cable so i can use it. it's a windows executable for installing debian without removable media. its available at http://goodbye-microsoft.com for quite some years afaik |
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| 01:32.31 | abrotman | that doesn't look suspicious or anything .. |
| 01:32.54 | jmcnaught | PurpleDog: okay.. for relayhost you probably need to use the SMTP server of your current email provider. Basically you're going to configure postfix (or any other null client) the same way you would configure Icedove or any other mail client. |
| 01:33.21 | PurpleDog | I had a feeling that was the case |
| 01:33.52 | rsw | i understand the sentiment abrotman. although i can verify it does what it says it's supposed to do. so does the debian lenny illustrated install guide. |
| 01:33.53 | PurpleDog | all the guides I've read made it just seem like it would be a simple "apt-get install sendmail" and that's it, but I had a feeling I would need to do a bit more than that |
| 01:34.55 | jmcnaught | PurpleDog: For the user name and password, you'll probably need to use this directive for postfix: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_sasl_password_maps which points to a file containing your username and password for the email account you'll be using to send. "man postmap" describes the file format, and every time you make a change to the map file you'll need to run postmap on it as described in that man page |
| 01:35.04 | rsw | abrotman https://wiki.debian.org/LennyIllustratedInstall#win32-loader |
| 01:35.49 | PurpleDog | I still need to configure an MX record for my domain name and post it to my server's IP address, right jmcnaught? |
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| 01:36.05 | PurpleDog | point it to* |
| 01:36.36 | jmcnaught | PurpleDog: msmtp-mta or ssmtp are probably easier to configure than Postfix for this task. I use postfix for this because I also use it for my MX so I'm already familiar with it. Look up the documentation for the other packages I mentioned and see if one of them makes more sense for you. |
| 01:36.52 | PurpleDog | will do |
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| 01:37.46 | jmcnaught | PurpleDog: the MX record needs to point to a server that is responsible for receiving mail for that domain. The MX server doesn't have to have the same domain name.. often it's an email provider's MX server even when you have a custom domain, but you'd know more about the services you have than i do |
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| 01:40.49 | jmcnaught | PurpleDog: It should be noted that running an MX is a fairly big responsibility and requires a lot of knowledge. Don't let that discourage you from doing it yourself, but if you're not really that interested in running your own mail server, you're probably better off using some service as your MX |
| 01:41.37 | PurpleDog | it might be something I'm interested in down the line but I think my priority right now is a null client or the like, I just went to send out emails from my server |
| 01:41.55 | PurpleDog | or rather configure smtp as you mentioned |
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| 02:06.02 | jmcnaught | rsw: I sorta checked out this win32-loader thing you're tring to use. I'm not quite sure how it works, and it isn't an official Debian supplied tool (although it looks like it's produced by someone involved with Debian). Do you think your computer would boot from an external CD-ROM if you found one to borrow? Another option is https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall but it could be difficult at your experience level |
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| 02:13.01 | justanotheruser | what package is javac in? |
| 02:13.38 | dvs | justanotheruser: openjdk-6-jdk |
| 02:13.40 | justanotheruser | and what command could I use in the future to find this out? |
| 02:13.49 | justanotheruser | ty |
| 02:14.04 | dvs | apt-cache search |
| 02:14.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell justanotheruser about apt-file |
| 02:14.56 | justanotheruser | dvs: apt-cache search javac didn't return openjdk-6-jdk anywhere |
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| 02:15.57 | justanotheruser | ok thanks abrotman |
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| 02:26.21 | Shadow_7 | Leave it to sdl to have the only -lSDL case deviation |
| 02:28.58 | abrotman | Shadow_7: perhaps you wanted #debian-offtopic? |
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| 02:30.03 | Shadow_7 | Is needing to add /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/ to /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ an offtopic discussion? for debian jessie? |
| 02:30.55 | abrotman | Did you file a bug? |
| 02:31.32 | Shadow_7 | That still didn't fix much. Still needed LIBS= a mile long |
| 02:32.03 | Shadow_7 | only seemed to shorten the ./configure a bit. And no not a bug report as of yet |
| 02:33.46 | Shadow_7 | Anyway, proof of concept complete. As in it's okay to buy next gen arm stuffs given specs that dwarf my ancient x86 stuff. |
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| 03:01.29 | chenchacha | some one use lemote? |
| 03:01.37 | dvs | !ask |
| 03:01.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 03:03.09 | chenchacha | ei...I just want to chat |
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| 03:04.23 | chenchacha | the command is useful |
| 03:04.26 | chenchacha | !ask |
| 03:04.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:04.37 | chenchacha | !help |
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| 03:07.22 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell chenchacha -about selftell |
| 03:08.04 | jmcnaught | chenchacha: if you're just looking to chat, there's #defocus and #debian-offtopic |
| 03:08.28 | chenchacha | the rebot is cool |
| 03:08.43 | chenchacha | thank you |
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| 03:23.58 | Guest45291 | Hello. Has anyone ever used the tool scalpel on Debian? |
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| 03:33.47 | bato | !ask |
| 03:33.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:34.23 | ffledgling | Hi, I'm new to debian. I've been trying to install and setup encfs on debian Wheezy, for this I need fuse, but even thought I have the packages installed get an error when running encfs and modprobe encfs fails with and ERROR |
| 03:34.23 | ffledgling | Has anyone faced similar issues? if yes, what's the work around? |
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| 03:36.03 | raSter^ | how do i install .deb files? |
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| 03:36.30 | stevesmename | I have some commands that I'm having trouble converting from CentOS to Debian. Can I ask here? |
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| 03:37.32 | stevesmename | chkconfig (cents) which I can't find the correct way to do in Debian. Every blog post says to do it differently. |
| 03:38.01 | Shadow_7 | raSter^: dpkg -i <file>.deb |
| 03:38.52 | raSter^ | ok thanks |
| 03:40.44 | stevesmename | Service network has to be enabled to start service.... |
| 03:43.08 | Shadow_7 | raSter^: dpkg -c <file>.deb to see what is "IN" the .deb file |
| 03:43.28 | raSter^ | ok |
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| 03:48.08 | raSter^ | Shadow_7 do you know in terminal |
| 03:48.13 | raSter^ | if i dont use mouse |
| 03:48.22 | raSter^ | how do i copy paste when i highlighted |
| 03:48.52 | raSter^ | copy a text highlited |
| 03:49.03 | raSter^ | i know some when you highlight, it automatically copies it |
| 03:49.19 | raSter^ | but in the case that it doesnt copies it. how do i make it to copy the highlighted text? |
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| 03:52.51 | Shadow_7 | in an xterm? or regular console? |
| 03:52.56 | jmcnaught | stevesmename: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch03.en.html#_sysv_style_init and http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/unix-services.html#sect.system-boot would both be better places to get information about the managing system services. The second link is maybe better to read first. |
| 03:53.20 | stevesmename | jmcnaught, thanks! |
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| 03:54.37 | raSter^ | its on a vpn |
| 03:54.39 | raSter^ | on some website |
| 03:54.47 | raSter^ | and it has its own terminal |
| 03:55.06 | raSter^ | but ive been having troubles because i still havent replaced my mouse. :D |
| 03:55.08 | jmcnaught | stevesmename: both of those books are full of useful Debian specific information. In my experience blog posts are hit or miss. Other resources here: https://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 03:55.24 | raSter^ | so im doing it all in keyboard. i just wonder if you have any other way to copy text highlighted on terminal |
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| 05:34.22 | Neo | greetings everyone I am having issues with the xserver-xorg-video-intel package. Appearently it's not detecting the built in graphics card propperly. I've asked in #intel-gfx but it's very dead there |
| 05:35.30 | Neo | the chipset in question is the 945GM intel integrated mobile chipset |
| 05:35.41 | Shadow_7 | did you disable integrated graphics in the bios? |
| 05:36.02 | Neo | I'm not sure if I have, let me see if I have the option |
| 05:37.25 | Shadow_7 | I've had that chipset. i915 module iirc |
| 05:38.17 | Neo | ah, I do not have the option in the bios |
| 05:38.51 | Neo | I do have the option to specify how much ram to allocate to graphics, either 64mb, 128mb or auto |
| 05:39.19 | Shadow_7 | the more the better on those non-3D gfx cards |
| 05:39.45 | Neo | haha indeed |
| 05:40.01 | Neo | the hardware is a Samsung Q1 Ultra |
| 05:41.06 | Neo | I just got the digitizer calibrated, and my next challenge is to get the propper resolution set |
| 05:41.52 | Shadow_7 | xvidtune and xrandr can be useful for that |
| 05:42.10 | Shadow_7 | with the /var/log/Xorg.0.log info of course |
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| 05:42.56 | Neo | I'll go ahead and pastebin that right quick |
| 05:43.28 | Neo | in grub, 915resolution -l reports the availability of 1920x1440 @ 32bit and 1280x770 @ 32bit amongst others, but are not seen in xorg |
| 05:43.28 | Shadow_7 | no need... cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i modes |
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| 05:44.14 | Shadow_7 | if it's anything like amd, probably best to stick to 24 bit colors |
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| 05:46.13 | Shadow_7 | I would say 16 bit, but it's probably not that decrepit and you can't screencast with mouse point at less than 24 bit colors |
| 05:46.18 | breedx | man what does it take these days to have udev make a simple symlink? http://paste.debian.net/107350/ |
| 05:46.21 | Neo | hang on real quick, let me see if adding i915.modeset=1 to my kernel options changes anything |
| 05:46.38 | talin | is windowmaker an available package? apt-cache search windowmaker doesn't come up with anything relevant, it seems |
| 05:46.48 | Shadow_7 | Neo: more nomodeset to the kernel parms |
| 05:46.59 | Shadow_7 | Neo: "or" not "More" |
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| 05:47.19 | Neo | ah okay |
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| 05:48.09 | Shadow_7 | module parts can be added with the options setting in /etc/modprobe.d/ stuff |
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| 05:48.26 | Shadow_7 | when the module isn't "in" the kernel |
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| 05:49.52 | Neo | ah I have to use i915.modeset=0 becuase otherwise I get spammed with edid errors |
| 05:50.03 | Neo | but let me see if it gets me the propper resolution now |
| 05:50.44 | Shadow_7 | edid info comes from the monitor. Perhaps there's a firmware update for the monitor? |
| 05:51.12 | Neo | it is possible, the monitor is integrated as it is essentially a laptop |
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| 05:52.00 | talin | bleh, i don't understand how you guys deal with window managers. i can find very few packages, and among the ones i find, some of them simply crash (verified by others in the channel as well) |
| 05:52.35 | Shadow_7 | talin: I don't.. I just run jwm or icewm.. or compile cwm |
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| 05:52.44 | Neo | okay so I'm able to get 1024x600 with i915.modeset=1 however supposedly 1920x1440 is available somewhere |
| 05:53.06 | Shadow_7 | Neo: xrandr |
| 05:53.15 | Shadow_7 | with no parms to list available modes |
| 05:53.52 | Shadow_7 | I sometimes have to use that when video games don't restore the original resolutions upon exit |
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| 05:54.00 | Neo | ahh I see |
| 05:54.11 | Shadow_7 | xvidtune -show |
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| 05:54.17 | Shadow_7 | to see the current ones info |
| 05:54.56 | Neo | okay so "LVDS1" has a maximum of 1024x600 and "tv1, tv2, and vga2" all have resolutions of 1360x768 |
| 05:55.16 | Shadow_7 | xrandr can set the video modes in an active X session. |
| 05:56.08 | Shadow_7 | and do other tricks like rotate the screen or create a virtual size so you can scroll around more pixels than you have |
| 05:56.27 | Neo | ahh right on, cool cool |
| 05:57.25 | Neo | thanks Shadow_7 :) I'm gonna see if theres a way to quiet those edid errors |
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| 06:31.27 | wh0ami | how can i check if i've got correctly installed libstdc++? i've spotted in a crashlog this: ../../../../../src/libstdc++-v3/src/c++98/tree.cc: No such file or directory. |
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| 06:41.29 | rryoumaa | talin: wm take a lot of leap of faith to put the effort into getting them to even work at all |
| 06:41.55 | rryoumaa | i tried a few and just stuck with fluxbox because i couldn't deal with trying any more :/ |
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| 06:44.00 | talin | rryoumaa: oh. weird |
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| 07:11.55 | MACscr | ok, this is driving me nuts, i have "error on subcontainer 'ia_addr' insert (-1)" appearing every few seconds in my syslog, yet i have my snmpd.conf log level set to -LS6d as all the sites that mentions how to correct it |
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| 07:26.53 | talin | is debian a good router/firewall? |
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| 07:28.04 | Otyugh | Le greffon GStreamer est manquant. |
| 07:28.04 | Otyugh | La lecture de ce film exige un greffon qui n'est pas installé. |
| 07:28.16 | Otyugh | Décodeur H.264 |
| 07:28.21 | Otyugh | Mhhouuargl |
| 07:28.28 | Otyugh | I'm struggling with this error |
| 07:28.49 | OpenTokix | Otyugh: it does the job |
| 07:28.51 | Otyugh | what exact package is he refering to ? :( |
| 07:29.02 | OpenTokix | talin: it does the job |
| 07:29.05 | OpenTokix | Otyugh: sorry, wrong nick |
| 07:29.08 | Otyugh | ^^ |
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| 07:33.29 | talin | with debian, where do you determine which services should start at boot? on bsds you have a file called rc.conf with a list of services that are set to YES or NO |
| 07:33.49 | OpenTokix | talin: you decide this with update-rc.d program |
| 07:34.06 | OpenTokix | talin: also, look at the symlinks in /etc/rcS* for what is running at each runlevel |
| 07:34.54 | Otyugh | Nobody have a clue of this H264 decoder Gstreamer ? |
| 07:35.05 | OpenTokix | Otyugh: Most people dont speak french |
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| 07:35.28 | Otyugh | well, there is the question without french, then :s |
| 07:35.52 | OpenTokix | h264 is a codec for medis |
| 07:36.04 | Otyugh | yes |
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| 07:39.38 | Otyugh | showmount isn't part of nfs-common ? |
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| 07:40.22 | OpenTokix | Otyugh: yes, it is |
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| 07:40.55 | OpenTokix | Otyugh: unless you run kfreebsd |
| 07:41.16 | Otyugh | ho |
| 07:41.22 | Otyugh | OpenTokix: sorry, it was working |
| 07:41.35 | OpenTokix | Otyugh: no need to be sorry, I am happy for you |
| 07:41.36 | Otyugh | OpenTokix: I needed the root permission to access it... |
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| 07:43.28 | hyppias | Do you find the speed on a 64bit machinche much higher than on a 32 bit machine? speed as in subjective, experienced. |
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| 07:47.49 | OpenTokix | hyppias: I find the use of 64bit mandatory as it gives a whole lot of good things. Like access to more ram as the big thing. - So why would you ever weant to use last generation? |
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| 07:52.33 | talin | i do /etc/init.d/networking restart, and it says that it is deprecated. it doesn't say what i ought to use though |
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| 07:52.59 | jelly-home | OpenTokix: because it works! |
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| 07:56.41 | babilen | talin: You use /etc/init.d/networking -- The deprecated message essentially tries to inform you in a very, well, suboptimal way that all interfaces that are deactivated with "ifdown -a" might not be reactivated again when "ifup -a" is run. |
| 07:56.46 | jelly-home | talin: that's maintainer's way of saying "this never worked as the users wanted it to". you can do ifdown someinterface; ifup someinterface |
| 07:56.57 | Otyugh | I'm sadness, this Gstreamer plugin just don't seem to work and nobody answers. Could it be cause I unchecked "non free" and H264 support isn't included otherwise ? I though it was been freed. :s |
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| 07:57.38 | babilen | talin: So the "non deprecated" way is to simply do whatever it is you are *really* trying to do. Please note that "ifup -a" will simply activate interfaces with "auto" in /e/n/i |
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| 07:58.08 | talin | babilen, jelly-home: aah, thanks. |
| 07:58.33 | talin | babilen: hmm, so ifdown and ifup is the way to go. that won't read the interfaces file, if i have static settings? |
| 07:58.33 | babilen | talin: It is one of the most confusing messages users have to endure when running Debian and a lot of people consider it horrible |
| 07:59.05 | talin | babilen: i see. if i wanted to propose a better message, how would i go about doing that? |
| 07:59.12 | babilen | talin: ifup, as opposed to ip and ifconfig, will read /e/n/i |
| 07:59.51 | talin | good, i'll stick with that then |
| 07:59.59 | babilen | talin: You would write a bug report against ifupdown (but then i am sure that there are numerous bug reports about this already) |
| 08:00.28 | jelly-home | dpkg: mdblows is <reply>The deprecated message essentially tries to inform you in a very, well, suboptimal way that all interfaces that are deactivated with "ifdown -a" might not be reactivated again when "ifup -a" is run. |
| 08:00.28 | dpkg | okay, jelly-home |
| 08:00.39 | talin | babilen: i will browse through the bugtracker, it should be on debian.org somewhere :) |
| 08:00.45 | babilen | The maintainer isn't exactly the most understanding of humans ;) |
| 08:00.52 | babilen | jelly-home: heh |
| 08:01.02 | jelly-home | dpkg: restart networking is also see also <mdblows> |
| 08:01.02 | dpkg | jelly-home: okay |
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| 08:04.25 | gnude | hello, i have a new notebook (toshiba c50d-a133) with ati graphic. the chip is ati 8210 . i use debian testing with installed firmware-linux-nonfree. but the graphic work not correctly. after the firmware package the resolution and colour depth is correct. but the system is very very slow. htop shows me that gnome-shell uses most cpu power. glxinfo shows: OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.4, 128 bits) and Ope |
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| 08:25.14 | movl | gnude, I suggest you try #debian-next on OFTC |
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| 08:26.59 | talin | hmm, since i tried installing windowlab, i keep getting "sh 1: /usr/lib/windowlab/create_menu.sh: not found" every time i use apt-get |
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| 08:28.22 | gnude | debian-next ... is the channel for testing? |
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| 08:30.45 | Otyugh | hey again |
| 08:30.53 | Otyugh | any idea what I can do from theses logs ? |
| 08:30.57 | Otyugh | http://pastebin.com/TxUGgaXa |
| 08:31.18 | Otyugh | it trying to play a video |
| 08:32.08 | Otyugh | I got only sound first and a warning for the video. After installing gstreamer-ffmpeg, I have no warning, but no sound and no image... |
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| 08:41.37 | Otyugh | [otyugh@armServ ~]$ sudo showmount -e |
| 08:41.37 | Otyugh | clnt_create: RPC: Program not registered |
| 08:42.39 | Otyugh | I'm giving up on debian. Why everything have initial problems ? I had nothing of that kind of archlinux installation. What the heck. Oo |
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| 08:47.04 | nino | exit |
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| 08:48.32 | blackbinary | hey guys, |
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| 08:50.06 | blackbinary | i got Mail Notification running with This HowTo : https://library.linode.com/email/exim/send-only-mta-debian-6-squeeze BUT i keep getting this Error Message : " mail: Unknown command: fwdretain" if i Send Testmessages with the Mail Command . |
| 08:50.23 | blackbinary | what do i miss in my Installation? |
| 08:51.03 | _mel_ | Hi. i have a strange tging goinig on on debian wheezy. since the upgrade from squeeze, sometimes netstat reports not apache on port 80 but fcg-pm. lsof show the correct program. how can that be? |
| 08:51.31 | _mel_ | http://pastebin.com/Zy7UpAWY |
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| 08:53.16 | SynrGy | grep fcgi-pm /etc/services |
| 08:53.32 | _mel_ | SynrG: is empty |
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| 08:54.16 | _mel_ | after restarting apache / php-fpm netstat show the correct output again. but after some time the same ting happens |
| 08:54.43 | SynrGy | don't know where the name comes from. i had assumed /etc/services |
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| 08:55.05 | SynrGy | that's a process name |
| 08:55.08 | SynrGy | not a port |
| 08:55.32 | _mel_ | yeah, netstat reports the wrong process for the port. |
| 08:55.39 | _mel_ | but why? |
| 08:55.40 | SynrGy | sorry, haven't had coffee yet. momentary confusion :) |
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| 08:56.24 | SynrGy | makes sense, though. fastcgi is a script server |
| 08:56.52 | _mel_ | yes. i thing its php-fpm |
| 08:56.59 | SynrGy | the apache process delegates script accesses to fcgi |
| 08:57.12 | _mel_ | bb in 10 min... |
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| 08:57.16 | SynrGy | so this is all normal and expected for a system with fastcgi |
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| 09:08.37 | blackbinary | can someone help me with this Mail Problem ? |
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| 09:09.17 | petn-randall | Hi blackbinary, just ask ahead, and if someone knows they'll try to answer. |
| 09:09.25 | petn-randall | !tell blackbinary -about ask |
| 09:09.41 | blackbinary | petn-randall: [10:50:06] <blackbinary> i got Mail Notification running with This HowTo : https://library.linode.com/email/exim/send-only-mta-debian-6-squeeze BUT i keep getting this Error Message : " mail: Unknown command: fwdretain" if i Send Testmessages with the Mail Command . |
| 09:10.03 | blackbinary | what do i miss in my Installation? |
| 09:10.35 | petn-randall | blackbinary: Ah, sorry, missed your messages in the backlog. Reading up now. |
| 09:10.58 | blackbinary | :) |
| 09:11.29 | brontosaurusrex | what would be a proper test to figure out why one can't see a specific domain? |
| 09:12.10 | OpenTokix | brontosaurusrex: define see? |
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| 09:13.11 | brontosaurusrex | domain doesn't resolve localy |
| 09:13.20 | _boot | brontosaurusrex: ask around various nameservers? |
| 09:13.22 | brontosaurusrex | but it's seen by others fine |
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| 09:14.28 | brontosaurusrex | _boot, change the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 09:14.36 | _boot | or use dig |
| 09:14.44 | _boot | dig @ns-address-here domain.com |
| 09:14.50 | OpenTokix | brontosaurusrex: and the domain in question is a real domain or a local domain? |
| 09:14.57 | babilen | blackbinary: You might want to install bsd-mailx if you use fwdretain |
| 09:14.58 | brontosaurusrex | OpenTokix, real |
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| 09:15.14 | babilen | blackbinary: What does "ls -l /etc/alternatives/mail" give you now? |
| 09:15.19 | some-cowbell | name servers should be handed to you by dhcp |
| 09:15.22 | OpenTokix | brolin_empey: And if you do: dig domainnamne.tld @register-nameserver you get an answer ? |
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| 09:15.26 | brontosaurusrex | _boot, where is dig, part of what package? |
| 09:15.30 | OpenTokix | brontosaurusrex: ^^^ |
| 09:15.31 | _boot | dnsutils i think |
| 09:15.35 | brontosaurusrex | mkay |
| 09:15.39 | OpenTokix | brontosaurusrex: sorry, wrong tab |
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| 09:15.49 | OpenTokix | holy crap, this isnt going well |
| 09:16.03 | _boot | lol |
| 09:16.03 | OpenTokix | brolin_empey: Wrong tab, for the completion |
| 09:16.04 | blackbinary | babilen: i dont want to use fwdretain, it is just an error i get by sending a mail with Root |
| 09:16.31 | blackbinary | babilen: the Mail is delivered successfully but i keep geht this error |
| 09:16.36 | babilen | and? |
| 09:17.49 | babilen | blackbinary: Are you not going to tell me which alternative has been configured for mail? |
| 09:17.53 | OpenTokix | brontosaurusrex: yes, dnsutils |
| 09:18.19 | blackbinary | babilen: i used this exim tutorial |
| 09:18.27 | brontosaurusrex | hm, so basically when i set up domain somewhere, i could use any nameservers there in the A record? |
| 09:18.40 | babilen | blackbinary: I asked a question earlier and it would be lovely if you could answer it :) |
| 09:18.43 | OpenTokix | brontosaurusrex: I dont understand the question |
| 09:19.51 | some-cowbell | the auth name servers would be in NS records |
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| 09:20.17 | brontosaurusrex | yeah, but what servers can i use there? |
| 09:20.19 | blackbinary | i get /etc/alternatives/mail -> /usr/bin/mail.mailutils |
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| 09:20.33 | some-cowbell | for lookup? |
| 09:20.43 | brontosaurusrex | for domain hosting |
| 09:20.45 | some-cowbell | how long ago did this domain start? |
| 09:20.48 | babilen | blackbinary: Yes, so please install bsd-mailx and try again. |
| 09:20.56 | brontosaurusrex | some-cowbell, more than 48 hours |
| 09:20.59 | blackbinary | i just simply want to send Mails to a Exchange server using the "mail" command. T.T :) |
| 09:21.39 | blackbinary | first uninstall the exim package? |
| 09:21.41 | some-cowbell | you must use the name servers at the specific static IP addresses that were established when the domain was established |
| 09:21.47 | Gargantua | so I set up 4 ntp server in ntp.conf "server 0.ca.pool.ntp.org" being one for example. I restart ntpd. My clock changed to 12:21 pm, it's currently 5:21am here |
| 09:21.50 | Gargantua | What am I doing wrong? |
| 09:21.54 | babilen | blackbinary: I am not sure why fwdretain is being used, but that command is being used with the mailx command IIRC. You could track down where that strange config is coming from or simply check if installing a different mailer that supports that command is doing the trick. Right now I'd like you to do the latter. |
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| 09:22.30 | brontosaurusrex | some-cowbell, right, i need some re-reading, i forgot all this stuff, thanks |
| 09:22.31 | babilen | blackbinary: No, don't uninstall exim .. not at all. You want to use exim as MTA, don't you? I want you to switch from mailutils to bsd-mailx |
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| 09:23.02 | some-cowbell | bronto, care to tell us (or just me) what the domain is? |
| 09:23.13 | Gargantua | anyone? |
| 09:23.16 | blackbinary | babilen: okay done |
| 09:23.24 | babilen | blackbinary: Do you still get that error? |
| 09:23.25 | some-cowbell | I can do some simple checks |
| 09:23.30 | blackbinary | babilen: do i need to change somthing |
| 09:23.37 | blackbinary | babilen: yes |
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| 09:23.55 | brontosaurusrex | some-cowbell, sure |
| 09:23.58 | blackbinary | babilen: Error yes, and the Mail still works |
| 09:24.03 | babilen | blackbinary: Hmm, and /etc/alternatives/mail points to /usr/bin/bsd-mailx now? |
| 09:24.12 | some-cowbell | ok |
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| 09:24.28 | blackbinary | babilen: Yes /etc/alternatives/mail -> /usr/bin/bsd-mailx |
| 09:24.50 | babilen | Hmm, I though that that one support fwdretain. One second please. |
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| 09:25.45 | blackbinary | babilen: by the Way, is see that sending Mails as User does not work, only as Root |
| 09:26.58 | some-cowbell | ok, the domain is alive and well... there are two auth name servers, pinging them shows they are alive too |
| 09:27.27 | brontosaurusrex | some-cowbell, yeah, so the person is having some local missconfiguration i'd say? |
| 09:27.35 | babilen | blackbinary: Hmm, maybe it was heirloom-mailx that you want :-/ |
| 09:27.41 | blaubarschbube | hi. i want to install a package but need to configure it before isntallation. does apt provide to run the configure skript with my own parameters? |
| 09:28.03 | some-cowbell | when you say "the person", is that the person who is not seeing the domain? |
| 09:28.20 | some-cowbell | so also, you are seeing the domain fine? |
| 09:28.38 | brontosaurusrex | me: it works fine, person: problems, on and off |
| 09:29.01 | babilen | blackbinary: Do you have /root/.mailrc ? |
| 09:29.04 | some-cowbell | where is person located approximately? |
| 09:29.48 | some-cowbell | in UK? elsewhere? |
| 09:29.52 | brontosaurusrex | uk |
| 09:30.19 | some-cowbell | hmm. Do you know anything about his/her setup |
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| 09:31.06 | some-cowbell | also, 48 hrs does seem long doesn't it... |
| 09:31.54 | blackbinary | babilen: @ heirloom, no there is no Error message. But the "-a" Argument does no longer work |
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| 09:32.10 | _mel_ | SynrG: but php-fpm binds to a socket |
| 09:32.57 | Gargantua | so I set up 4 ntp servers in ntp.conf "server 0.ca.pool.ntp.org" being one for example. I restart ntpd. My clock changed to 12:21 pm, it's currently 5:21am here. What am I doing wrong? |
| 09:33.12 | blackbinary | babilen: "mail -a "from: someone <some@one.com" .... |
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| 09:33.51 | brontosaurusrex | some-cowbell, in my experience com,org,net propagates in an hour |
| 09:33.57 | brontosaurusrex | 48 is more than plenty |
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| 09:34.44 | petn-randall | Gargantua: You have your timezone set wrongly. Run 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow tzdata', and select the proper one. |
| 09:35.10 | some-cowbell | agreed... and... stranger things have happened. I'm in US, I see it fine, maybe it propigated everywhere already |
| 09:35.11 | petn-randall | Gargantua: Also ... doing server work at 5:21 AM :S |
| 09:35.19 | some-cowbell | but these are guesses |
| 09:35.25 | _mel_ | SynrG: and here is the funny thing: there is no binary /us/sbin/fcgi-pm http://pastebin.com/3z9Qrgxk |
| 09:36.55 | babilen | blackbinary: And do you have a .mailrc? |
| 09:37.01 | some-cowbell | and my best guess right now, is something is up with Person's setup |
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| 09:37.20 | babilen | blackbinary: -a attaches files, what do you want to use it for? |
| 09:37.30 | brontosaurusrex | yeah or a local provider and its nameservers |
| 09:38.11 | some-cowbell | people say "don't guess", but unless we can talk to Person, I don't see a choice |
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| 09:38.53 | some-cowbell | right exactly, it could very well be Person's provider |
| 09:38.54 | blackbinary | babilen: befor the change -a has added information to the header , like replay-to:some@one.com |
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| 09:39.59 | blackbinary | babilen: there is no .mailrc in the root or user home |
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| 09:41.30 | some-cowbell | brontosaurusrex: one thing Person can try, is use 8.8.8.8 and/or 4.4.4.4 as name servers (they're google) to test if it's the name servers handed to Person by the provider |
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| 09:42.15 | brontosaurusrex | right |
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| 09:43.38 | blackbinary | babilen: i dont get it :( i need a realy simple Way to send Mails from commandline, mainly as User, not root :( |
| 09:43.44 | cynicallemon | opendns servers are good ones too |
| 09:44.05 | cynicallemon | mail command? |
| 09:44.10 | blackbinary | simply send to a smarthost (local Exchange) |
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| 09:44.38 | Skyrider | Greetings. |
| 09:44.56 | Skyrider | Is there a way for me to gzip a directory without it "removing" the directory once its gzipped? |
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| 09:45.22 | some-cowbell | Other than that... I don't know what to do next. the domain seems alive and well from here, the auth servers won't let me axfr (that's a good thing), there's nothign I can do or say that would change anything |
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| 09:46.40 | cynicallemon | blackbinary, man mail for your answer |
| 09:46.44 | brontosaurusrex | Skyrider, zip -r myvacationpics.zip /home/you/pics/ |
| 09:47.00 | babilen | blackbinary: Sorry, I'm somewhat busy with something else. |
| 09:47.19 | blackbinary | babilen: ty anyway :) |
| 09:47.23 | Skyrider | *.zip ? |
| 09:47.54 | Skyrider | no tar.gz or .gz? :p |
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| 09:48.36 | some-cowbell | as far as I know, gzip operates on files, not dirs... you could tar the dir and then gzip the tar file (which is the usual case) |
| 09:49.02 | blackbinary | cynicallemon: it is not that simple :( i used exim4 to set a smart host, the command works just fine except for two things : 1. i cant send mails as normal User, and 2. i allways get the error "Unknown command: "fwdretain"" |
| 09:49.02 | some-cowbell | I've never seen that process remove the dir it's operating on |
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| 09:51.23 | Skyrider | thanks. |
| 09:51.29 | some-cowbell | brontosaurusrex: unless there's something (else?) specific I can help with? |
| 09:51.31 | brontosaurusrex | Skyrider, i have this in my script: tar -acf $wwwfolder.tar.gz $wwwfolder/ |
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| 09:51.50 | brontosaurusrex | some-cowbell, no, we will make this closed. |
| 09:52.16 | some-cowbell | ok, hope you can assist Person. |
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| 09:55.32 | brontosaurusrex | some-cowbell, well, the dig command is certainly usefull |
| 09:55.34 | Skyrider | brontosaurusrex |
| 09:55.40 | brontosaurusrex | Skyrider |
| 09:55.48 | Skyrider | I assume running the command would create the zip file in your existing directory (where you are right now on shell) |
| 09:55.57 | brontosaurusrex | Skyrider, yeah |
| 09:56.05 | Skyrider | Would the zip file be created before-hand? |
| 09:56.15 | Skyrider | Seeing shell is doing stuff right now, just no zip file has been created yet. |
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| 09:56.49 | Skyrider | unless it generated a temp file |
| 09:56.52 | brontosaurusrex | Skyrider, hm, not sure |
| 09:56.57 | Skyrider | ya.. zi0uCVYG |
| 09:57.00 | Skyrider | temp file, no extension. |
| 09:57.17 | Skyrider | Thanks, I'll wait :) |
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| 10:03.26 | blaubarschbube | in general, ho can I know with whitch configure parameters a debian package was build? |
| 10:04.11 | babilen | blaubarschbube: Take a look at debian/rules in the source package |
| 10:04.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell blaubarschbube -about debian/rules |
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| 10:05.09 | blaubarschbube | babilen, yeah, thats what i was looking for |
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| 10:06.22 | babilen | blaubarschbube: If you don't want to checkout (with debcheckout PKG) or download (apt-get source PKG) each package you might simply want to check on http://packages.qa.debian.org and, specifically, in the VCS for that package (if it uses that) |
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| 10:18.02 | SynrGy | _mel_: i wouldn't expect there to be. it's not the sort of thing you would run from the commandline ... |
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| 10:20.23 | wfq | hi guys |
| 10:21.01 | wfq | could anyone please point me to a place where I can read how to install ffmpeg on debian Jessie? Can't find reliable doc online. |
| 10:21.48 | Shadow_7 | wfq: avconv is a fork of ffmpeg aka libav-tools |
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| 10:22.00 | brontosaurusrex | wfq, command line usage or? |
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| 10:22.27 | _mel_ | SynrG: yes. but why's that in the cmdline in the first place? http://pastebin.com/rsxBZVJW |
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| 10:22.50 | _mel_ | maybe it's a bug in apache? |
| 10:22.56 | wfq | Shadow_7,brontosaurusrex. Puff it is required by a web that I have but I believe is command line |
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| 10:23.21 | wfq | Shadow_7, do you mean to install avconv or libav? |
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| 10:25.09 | SynrGy | _mel_: not sure how the process name gets set. but the module is probably FCGI.pm from the libfcgi-perl package |
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| 10:25.17 | SynrGy | _mel_: again, i don't think there's any bug here. |
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| 10:25.19 | wfq | this is going to be a little bit of a problem. Perhaps I need to install it by using make |
| 10:25.39 | SynrGy | _mel_: other than the unexpected process name, are you experiencing any buggy behaviour? |
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| 10:26.11 | _mel_ | SynrG: yes. the check_mk apache plugin stops working, because it tries to find the right preocess that way :-) |
| 10:26.12 | brontosaurusrex | wfq, afaik you build one yourself or get a static version from http://ffmpeg.gusari.org/static/ |
| 10:26.31 | brontosaurusrex | wfq, depending on the features you need |
| 10:26.33 | _mel_ | apache itself works without problems |
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| 10:26.59 | SynrGy | _mel_: oh, sec, actually libapache2-mod-fastcgi is the package |
| 10:27.15 | wfq | brontosarusrex thanks a lot. IGood to know I can use a static one hwoever I think I will need some extra codecs. I am going to try to build it using make |
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| 10:27.23 | SynrGy | _mel_: well, i guess it uses a wrong assumption, then |
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| 10:27.32 | Shadow_7 | wfq: perhaps ln -s avconv ffmpeg might workaround the issue. |
| 10:27.33 | brontosaurusrex | wfq, what codecs? |
| 10:28.01 | SynrGy | http://www.fastcgi.com/mod_fastcgi/docs/mod_fastcgi.html |
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| 10:28.10 | SynrGy | "FastCGI static and dynamic applications are spawned and managed by the FastCGI Process Manager, fcgi-pm. The process manager is spawned by Apache at server initialization. External applications are presumed to be started and managed independently." |
| 10:28.15 | _mel_ | SynrG: ok. I've disabled the module before switching to php-fpm. |
| 10:28.18 | thid | Hey I can't ping a node anymore withi some nodes even though still he's still up and I changed nothing recently.. |
| 10:28.30 | thid | s/withi/with |
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| 10:29.00 | _mel_ | SynrG: so there is always a apache process as CGI process manager? |
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| 10:30.08 | thid | and I can ping any other node in this subnetwork |
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| 10:30.37 | SynrGy | _mel_: i can't say what there is "always", just how it looks to me. |
| 10:30.51 | SynrGy | and that is that it looks like this is by design, and not a bug |
| 10:31.06 | SynrGy | if you want to know for certain, read up on fastcgi |
| 10:31.15 | wfq | brontosaurosrex, 3gp, h.264, libogg and Vorbis |
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| 10:31.32 | wfq | Shadow_7 that is worth while trying |
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| 10:32.21 | _mel_ | SynrG: ok. i'm beginning to understand now. i thing it needs deeper digging on my site before file a bug then. Thx for helping me out |
| 10:32.27 | brontosaurusrex | wfq, 3gp is a "format", all are there in the static buidl |
| 10:32.29 | brontosaurusrex | *build |
| 10:32.32 | SynrGy | np |
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| 10:32.51 | brontosaurusrex | wfq, you can check for them like: ffmpeg_static -codecs | grep vorbis |
| 10:33.09 | brontosaurusrex | or ffmpeg_static -formats | grep 3gp |
| 10:33.16 | wfq | great. I am giving it a go, there is nothing to loose really |
| 10:33.29 | wfq | thanks a lot brontosaurusrex |
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| 10:33.56 | SynrGy | _mel_: there is always the possibility of some misconfiguration here ... that perhaps fcgi should be binding to some other port |
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| 10:35.40 | SynrGy | _mel_: i must confess i am not overly familiar with the proper setup of fastcgi, having only used it once before (and many years back) |
| 10:35.43 | _mel_ | SynrG: its a bit confusing havinf cgi, fgci fast-gci in apache :-) |
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| 10:36.03 | SynrGy | but i would say odds are more likely it is misconfiguration here than a bug |
| 10:36.13 | _mel_ | SynrG: same for me, but it's the way php seams to run properly on apache-mom |
| 10:36.16 | SynrGy | maybe something leftover from before the upgrade ... |
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| 10:36.45 | SynrGy | so dig into the fastcgi doc & config and see what you can find |
| 10:36.59 | _mel_ | SynrG: yes. i'll do. thx again :) |
| 10:37.47 | SynrGy | np. good luck. |
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| 10:42.51 | adm001mi | hey all |
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| 10:43.50 | adm001mi | Need a little hand with my videocard driver... |
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| 10:49.36 | peterpan22 | huhu guyssssssss |
| 10:49.45 | peterpan22 | i have a question |
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| 10:50.29 | bhuddah | !ask |
| 10:50.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 10:50.40 | bhuddah | and hi :) |
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| 10:51.19 | peterpan22 | I made a website on blogspot with my microsoft computer ( http://basicandsense.blogspot.com ) can user who use debian look at it too? my friend told me he had a problem and he cant look at it. its for school. plx help |
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| 10:53.20 | ksk | peterpan22: webpages and html is more a browser, less an os thingy. |
| 10:53.33 | peterpan22 | oh kay |
| 10:53.36 | peterpan22 | didnt know that |
| 10:53.41 | peterpan22 | who do I ask then |
| 10:53.59 | ksk | "had a problem"? |
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| 10:55.06 | SynrGy | peterpan22: direct your friend here. maybe we can help. otherwise, without a precise description of the problem, not much we can do. |
| 10:55.19 | peterpan22 | ok |
| 10:55.20 | peterpan22 | thanks |
| 10:55.26 | peterpan22 | you guys are awesomeeeeeeeee! |
| 10:55.40 | SynrGy | adm001mi: that 'ask' factoid is equally applicable to you. if you don't ask us exactly what you want help with, there's not much chance you'll get any. |
| 10:56.12 | jelly | peterpan22: works just fine on debian 7 with chromium browser (and also in google chrome 35, mozilla firefox 24.6.0esr) |
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| 10:57.03 | SynrGy | peterpan22: is it possible your friend is quite out of date with updates for debian? |
| 10:57.40 | SynrGy | in the current stable release there is a much more recent version of each of the most popular browsers than there were at its initial release. |
| 10:58.01 | SynrGy | (the latest point-release, 7.5, i mean) |
| 10:58.07 | jelly | ,v chromium |
| 10:58.08 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 34.0.1847.116-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 35.0.1916.153-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 35.0.1916.153-1~deb7u1; jessie: 35.0.1916.153-2; sid: 35.0.1916.153-2; experimental: 36.0.1985.84-1 |
| 10:58.45 | peterpan22 | okay thanks alot hes joining this channel later |
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| 10:59.27 | peterpan22 | do this links (different pages on the blog) http://basicandsense.blogspot.com/p/photos.html also work? or just the one to the mainsite? |
| 10:59.36 | peterpan22 | if its not a general problem everything is fine |
| 10:59.41 | peterpan22 | if just he cannot enter |
| 10:59.49 | peterpan22 | but if everyone cant enter it sucks. |
| 10:59.54 | wfq | brontosaurusrex, it did the job. Thank you very much |
| 11:01.09 | brontosaurusrex | wfq, yw |
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| 11:01.38 | Donse | Hello everyone! I'm running a 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.5 (wheezy)' and at the moment I'm trying to get my user groups straigthend out. As of now, every new user has got their own primary user group witht the same name as the user itself, pretty ba. So I created a group called 'developer' and started to add everyone into that group(using this command: 'adduser -a -G <groupname> <username>'). Now my first question: |
| 11:01.40 | Donse | Is it safe to remove the other/primary group? The one that was created when the user was created? |
| 11:01.46 | talin | what graphical browsers do you recommend? |
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| 11:03.10 | OpenTokix | Donse: to see all the defaults run useradd -D and you can edit other defaults in /etc/default/useradd |
| 11:03.30 | OpenTokix | Donse: yes, but then their homefolders will have a unused gid as owner |
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| 11:04.43 | brontosaurusrex | talin, depends on your RAM mostly |
| 11:05.02 | Donse | OpenTokix: Thank you very much! so the primary-group-ID is used as an internal relation between the user and the home directory? That would also explain my second question |
| 11:05.03 | brontosaurusrex | talin, there is plenty of them |
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| 11:06.14 | OpenTokix | Donse: a folder need a user and a group owner, but you could put developers as the primary group - but then I assume you want the homefolders to be 0700 |
| 11:07.03 | talin | brontosaurusrex: i have 4gb |
| 11:07.19 | brontosaurusrex | talin, i'd use chromium or firefox |
| 11:07.32 | talin | brontosaurusrex: i tried to find firefox, but it was not in packages |
| 11:07.34 | Donse | Also a very nice idea... haven't thought af that since now! Thank you again! |
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| 11:07.54 | Donse | OpenTokix: Also a very nice idea... haven't thought af that since now! Thank you again! |
| 11:08.02 | brontosaurusrex | talin, try iceweasel |
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| 11:08.50 | adm001mi | Well I followed the instructer per https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers but I always get that I'm running without the NVIDIA X driver... even install nvidia-xconfig and ran that... |
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| 11:10.07 | Brigo | adm001mi, did you reboot the system? |
| 11:10.35 | adm001mi | already 3 times... btw it's a clean install... |
| 11:11.05 | Brigo | adm001mi, what driver are you using if not nvidia? noveau may be? |
| 11:11.30 | talin | brontosaurusrex: thank you, noble sir |
| 11:13.05 | adm001mi | I think so |
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| 11:14.12 | adm001mi | yeah, I installed version 304.117 since I have a GeForce 6700 XL |
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| 11:16.50 | Brigo | adm001mi, can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log file in paste.debian.net? |
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| 11:21.40 | adm001mi | Brigo, paste.debian.net/107384/ |
| 11:22.47 | Brigo | adm001mi, you are already using nvidia glx driver |
| 11:23.22 | adm001mi | then why does gnome state it isn't running? |
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| 11:24.30 | dokma | anyone know how to make less jump to the search term instead of the beginning of the line containing the search term when searching? |
| 11:24.43 | adm001mi | well apparently it's running I reboot again and see where that brings me... thanks so far Brigo |
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| 11:24.45 | dokma | it's rather annoying for long lines to have to scroll 10,15 screens |
| 11:24.58 | Brigo | adm001mi, you do not need to reboot. |
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| 11:26.23 | Donse | Brigo: restart gnome? |
| 11:26.45 | adm001mi | alright, thanks so far! |
| 11:26.52 | Brigo | you can try it (as root servicd gdm3 restart) |
| 11:26.57 | Brigo | service* |
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| 11:38.02 | talin | i see a lot of people recommend a term emulator called urxvt |
| 11:38.07 | talin | does it have a different name, or doesn't it exist in debian? |
| 11:38.21 | talin | is it rxvt-unicode, perhaps.. hmm |
| 11:38.59 | bzed | talin: yes, thats what you are looking for |
| 11:39.13 | talin | bzed: thank you :) |
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| 11:48.23 | spawnrad | hi |
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| 11:49.35 | SynrGy | talin: also, it is not often I would steer users to anything but Debian's own documentation for starters, but Arch has an excellent article in their wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/rxvt-unicode |
| 11:49.57 | SynrGy | talin: you should still consider the debian doc informative, but i found that article very helpful |
| 11:50.06 | SynrGy | s/informative/authoritative/ |
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| 11:54.57 | rtur | What is the Release.blame file on a mirror for ? Is it required ? |
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| 11:56.45 | talin | SynrGy: excellent, thank you |
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| 12:07.32 | esakish | Why does 6 get LTS? It's ancient. Wouldn't Wheezy be better? |
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| 12:08.40 | SynrGy | esakish: i think you miss the point. some people wanted LTS for squeeze and offered to do the work to make that happen |
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| 12:08.54 | esakish | Ah |
| 12:08.56 | SynrGy | this was not a case of the project making a strategic decision based on the available versions |
| 12:09.06 | MrSir | Hi, im trying to preseed my debian installation with boot params but i am stuck on the software selection option, does anyone know the proper syntax for this? |
| 12:09.26 | nea1 | hi, after centos7 and rhel7 (will) include kpatch - so you don't need to reboot your servers - will debian include / build something simular? |
| 12:09.33 | SynrGy | esakish: i.e. if you expect some 'rule' to be followed here, there isn't any :) |
| 12:10.03 | esakish | I assumed it was the same as how the Ubuntu project declares their versions LTS |
| 12:10.15 | Skyrider | Where can I sign a key for the source list? |
| 12:10.23 | Skyrider | W: GPG error: http://packages.dotdeb.org squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E9C74FEEA2098A6E |
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| 12:12.31 | zykotick9 | !tell Skyrider about dotdeb |
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| 12:16.11 | Skyrider | Rightyo |
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| 12:37.05 | KamZou | Hi, is it safe / clean on a debian squeeze install to upgrade to php 5.4 using the wheezy repositories for ? |
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| 12:40.33 | Cpuroast | KamZou: no |
| 12:40.41 | Cpuroast | KamZou: look for a backports |
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| 12:42.14 | Cpuroast | KamZou: if one doesn't exist, you can make a backports youtself |
| 12:42.23 | Cpuroast | yourself |
| 12:42.27 | KamZou | Cpuroast, could you explain me why it's not clean / safe please ? |
| 12:42.48 | Cpuroast | because wheezy packages are dependant on wheezy libraries |
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| 12:42.58 | Cpuroast | they may or may not work on squeeze |
| 12:43.08 | Cpuroast | the proper way to get an updated version |
| 12:43.12 | Cpuroast | is to use backports |
| 12:43.38 | Cpuroast | http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 12:44.36 | Cpuroast | looks like there are no php backports |
| 12:44.47 | Cpuroast | you'd have to backport it yourself |
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| 12:45.47 | KamZou | ok thanks |
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| 12:47.07 | Cpuroast | KamZou: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
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| 12:49.24 | zykotick9 | !tell KamZou about ssb |
| 12:49.47 | mr_foobar_baz | Hi, is there a better mail notification daemon in debian stable than the mail-notification package? It seems a bit buggy and I'd like to avoid having to modify it because I've already got too much stuff on my to-do list. |
| 12:50.51 | mr_foobar_baz | or perhaps I could try creating a backport of a newer version and see if that works better... |
| 12:51.19 | mr_foobar_baz | although I'd prefer to use stable packages when possible.. |
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| 12:56.34 | Skyrider | Is it wise to use dotdeb? |
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| 12:56.44 | SynrGy | no |
| 12:56.48 | SynrGy | !dotdeb |
| 12:56.48 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
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| 12:57.24 | SynrGy | hm, i guess the factoid i really wanted was: |
| 12:57.28 | SynrGy | !dotdeb alternatives |
| 12:57.28 | dpkg | Software from <dotdeb> historically had a number of packaging or functional issues. If you require newer versions than what <stable> offers, a lot of the packages now have updates in backports.debian.org, ask me about <bdo>. To remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'". |
| 12:58.35 | no_gravity | For a typical lamp stack, would you guys choose a 32 bit or a 64 bit debian disk image if your VM provider has both? |
| 12:58.47 | esakish | no_gravity, I would go with 64 |
| 12:59.12 | no_gravity | esakish: any reasons? |
| 12:59.28 | esakish | Why use 32 unless you have a reason? |
| 12:59.42 | SynrGy | no_gravity: 64 is a larger number than 32. it must be better. ;) |
| 12:59.49 | esakish | ^ |
| 13:00.06 | no_gravity | SynrGy: you would prefer to be 65kg overweight and 64k in debt? |
| 13:00.37 | SynrGy | no_gravity: you do understand what a winky emoticon means, right? i'm agreeing esakish's justification is somewhat ... lacking |
| 13:01.11 | no_gravity | ok. so everybody would go with 64bit but nobody knows why. |
| 13:01.23 | mrtnt | Am I correct that vmlinuz is a single executable file which is unpacked to memory? |
| 13:01.32 | SynrGy | no_gravity: as for myself, i deploy 64 bit over 32 because it appears to be where the majority is now. and where the majority goes, there goes the majority of support. |
| 13:01.35 | esakish | no_gravity, is there any reason you can think of to use 32 bit in this day and age? |
| 13:01.43 | SynrGy | i would only deploy 32 bit in cases where there is a clear advantage. |
| 13:01.50 | esakish | ^ that |
| 13:02.21 | no_gravity | chooses 64 bit... |
| 13:02.22 | SynrGy | one such advantage "compatibility with binary-only distribution of 32-bit software" |
| 13:02.38 | SynrGy | (mostly solvable these days with multiarch) |
| 13:02.55 | SynrGy | or "don't use non-free crapware ;)" |
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| 13:03.01 | SynrGy | (unlikley for a LAMP deployment, too) |
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| 13:04.33 | SynrGy | mrtnt: yes. why? |
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| 13:07.12 | mjt | does vdpau work with radeon card on wheezy? |
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| 13:08.14 | Nik05 | mjt depends which card |
| 13:08.19 | mjt | "VDPAU drivers for radeon are packaged as mesa-vdpau-drivers." |
| 13:08.26 | mjt | as dpkg tells me |
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| 13:08.42 | OpenTokix | SynrGy: like you have quit your job and want to fuck over your future self? =) |
| 13:08.43 | mjt | which means jessie+ |
| 13:09.09 | mrtnt | SynrGy: just being curious :) |
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| 13:09.41 | Nik05 | oh mjt mesa-vdpau-drivers isnt in stable |
| 13:10.11 | Nik05 | mjt but maybe its in some other package |
| 13:10.21 | bauhaus1919 | hello all, i have installed the joystick package, are there headers available for development? |
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| 13:11.33 | mjt | Nik05: in wheezy the drivers are provided in vdpau-va-driver which does not have radeon driver, only nvidia and s3 |
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| 13:17.21 | SynrGy | OpenTokix: or that :) |
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| 13:25.36 | no_gravity | Shouldnt a change of the A RECORD of a subdomain immediately have an effect? When i dig sub.mydomain.org ... why do i still get the old ip? |
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| 13:27.41 | petn-randall | no_gravity: Every DNS record has a TTL. If that hasn't run out yet your DNS server won't fetch the new entry. |
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| 13:28.17 | no_gravity | petn-randall: your probably right. where do i see the ttl? |
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| 13:29.23 | petn-randall | no_gravity: if you run 'dig yourdomain', the second column (before "IN") is the remaining TTL. |
| 13:30.15 | no_gravity | petn-randall: yeah. thanks. |
| 13:30.17 | Donse | thanks again for the help. have a nice day! |
| 13:30.32 | petn-randall | no_gravity: You're welcome, have a nice one. |
| 13:30.38 | no_gravity | petn-randall: 3600.. looks like 1 hour. |
| 13:30.59 | petn-randall | no_gravity: Luckily you don't have a TTL of a week ;) |
| 13:31.08 | no_gravity | petn-randall: yeah |
| 13:31.30 | OpenTokix | no_gravity: if you dig against the master dns, you should see the change instantly |
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| 13:32.07 | no_gravity | OpenTokix: interesting. thanks. |
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| 13:32.26 | some-cowbell | you can dig <domain> ns to get name servers that are auth over <domain>, then dig @oneofthosenameservers <domain> to get what the auth dns has |
| 13:33.04 | Skyrider | Does the squeeze-backports always use sloppy? |
| 13:33.25 | some-cowbell | also if you update an A record (or any record), you need to bump the serial number |
| 13:33.43 | petn-randall | Skyrider: No, why do you ask? |
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| 13:35.50 | some-cowbell | one thing that's very important: authoritative name servers MUST run on static IPs |
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| 13:50.44 | no_gravity | Hmm.. im confused.. i installed apache+php but php does not get executed. is that a debian specific thing? i did not encounter this on ubuntu machines. |
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| 13:51.01 | sveta | check logs of apache please, php logs there iirc |
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| 13:55.39 | no_gravity | hmm.. apt-get purge php5; apt-get install php5 fixed it. |
| 13:56.22 | sveta | sounds like user config or, if it's a fresh install, a package issue |
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| 13:59.24 | Skyrider | What's the difference between sq backports and the sloppy one? |
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| 14:00.30 | SillyTalker | df -h said my disk is full, so i removed a bunch of data from it |
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| 14:00.36 | SillyTalker | ran df -h again... |
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| 14:00.40 | SillyTalker | and my desk is still full |
| 14:00.57 | centrx | Skyrider, http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index4h2 |
| 14:01.18 | SillyTalker | so i checked with du -sh ./* , and ONLY /mnt/ seesm to hold a lot of data, because i mount a fileserver there to store data |
| 14:01.40 | SillyTalker | could it be that it somehow counts the data in /mnt/ as data for / ? |
| 14:01.44 | SillyTalker | how to fix it? |
| 14:01.57 | centrx | SillyTalker, Use du -x to avoid counting other filesystems |
| 14:02.08 | centrx | SillyTalker, Use apt-get clean to get some quick space |
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| 14:03.31 | Skyrider | Whats recommended then.. sloppy or just normal squeeze backport. |
| 14:04.41 | centrx | Skyrider, If you want to preserve an upgrade path to wheezy, do not use sloppy. |
| 14:04.54 | dashs | Looking for exit codes from lockfile -- typical non-documenting Unix pathology, a man pages which hints that there are exit codes. |
| 14:05.08 | Skyrider | Sticking with Debian 6. |
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| 14:05.38 | jelly | !tell Skyrider about squeeze-lts |
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| 14:06.29 | jelly | Skyrider: I'm not sure squeeze-backports get updates at all at this point |
| 14:06.51 | Skyrider | So I should just stick with the original debian 6 source list? |
| 14:06.59 | petn-randall | Skyrider: Is there a reason you're sticking with squeeze? It only gets limited security support. |
| 14:07.06 | jelly | Read what dpkg told you in private, Skyrider |
| 14:07.22 | Skyrider | petn-randall: Dreamhost |
| 14:07.27 | Skyrider | I can't upgrade, I tried multiple times. |
| 14:07.32 | Skyrider | Just buggy, errors, issues, etc. |
| 14:07.43 | Skyrider | So I'm forced to stick with Debian 6. |
| 14:08.01 | Skyrider | And yea.. I read what the bot told me. |
| 14:08.06 | Skyrider | The link is a bit broken though. |
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| 14:08.52 | petn-randall | Skyrider: Sounds like they don't offer full virtualization. Do they support squeeze/wheezy officially as OS? |
| 14:09.34 | jelly | Skyrider: thanks, fixed the sources.list line (just add "deb " in front) |
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| 14:10.12 | jelly | petn-randall: a VPS running on openvz 2.6.18 el5 kernel can't run with wheezy glibc |
| 14:10.39 | jelly | squeeze userspace however still works |
| 14:10.50 | petn-randall | Urgh :( |
| 14:10.52 | jelly | !squeeze-lts |
| 14:10.52 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:11.14 | Skyrider | petn-randall : for now they do support it.. |
| 14:11.23 | Skyrider | But they told everyone last year they'll be going to ubuntu. |
| 14:11.37 | Skyrider | hence they are not going to wheezy |
| 14:11.41 | SillyTalker | centrx: i found the prob, i have 15GB of logs |
| 14:11.42 | SillyTalker | lol |
| 14:11.53 | jelly | Skyrider: ask to be transferred to a host based on el6 (with 2.6.32 kernels), wheezy _might_ work on those |
| 14:12.19 | Skyrider | different host? :p |
| 14:12.21 | Skyrider | Like, move? |
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| 14:12.46 | jelly | Skyrider: yes |
| 14:12.57 | Skyrider | I'd love to, but I merely maintain the vps. |
| 14:13.02 | Skyrider | With the knowlegde I have :p |
| 14:13.09 | Skyrider | My own VPS hosted somewhere else is using Debian 7. |
| 14:13.16 | jelly | Skyrider: well, ask the owner to ask them then :-) |
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| 14:13.26 | Skyrider | hehe.. wish it would be that simple. |
| 14:13.48 | Skyrider | What is the latest PHP that is currenly in the official debian 6 deb? |
| 14:14.07 | jelly | ,v php5 |
| 14:14.08 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3-7+squeeze20; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u9; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u11; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u11; jessie: 5.6.0~rc1+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.0~rc1+dfsg-1 |
| 14:14.17 | Skyrider | 5.3, interesting. |
| 14:14.20 | jelly | Skyrider: squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3-7+squeeze20 apparently |
| 14:14.40 | jelly | for some value of "official" |
| 14:14.43 | Skyrider | Guess that'll do. |
| 14:14.46 | Skyrider | For now anyway. |
| 14:15.07 | Skyrider | I'll do official stuff for now, need to get stuff to work again. |
| 14:15.31 | jelly | officially, squeeze is end-of-lifed |
| 14:15.36 | jelly | officially. |
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| 14:16.44 | jelly | if you have to run squeeze connected to the internets, enable and use lts repos |
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| 14:17.16 | Skyrider | grumble. |
| 14:18.09 | Skyrider | Guess I found the LTS list. |
| 14:19.06 | Skyrider | Thanks, learning something new everyday. |
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| 14:24.02 | Skyrider | W: GPG error: http://http.debian.net squeeze-lts Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY XXXXXX |
| 14:24.04 | Skyrider | mmhhhh |
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| 14:27.01 | Skyrider | That error is not to me |
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| 14:27.06 | Skyrider | *Is new to me |
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| 14:28.10 | DacFarren_ | hey |
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| 14:30.10 | Skyrider | anyone any idea? |
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| 14:35.43 | centrx | Skyrider, What is your complete sources.list? |
| 14:36.01 | centrx | Skyrider, When was the last time you did a complete upgrade of all updated packages? |
| 14:36.34 | mjt | I can't seem to be able to connect a bluetooth mouse to my debian laptop. I mean, the device connects fine, but it works up to next reboot or up to some - apparently, in-device - timeout. After which I have to "re-pair" it to my notebook again. What's the way to make the connection persistent/automatic? |
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| 14:43.25 | jelly | Skyrider: which version of debian-archive-keyring do you have installed? |
| 14:43.46 | mjt | actually there are apparently many more problems with this laptop. But the most annoying is this bluetooth mouse issue. |
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| 14:44.51 | some-cowbell_ | why use a bluetooth mouse when you would have to replace its battery all the time./ |
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| 14:45.01 | esakish | Why use wired mouse? |
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| 14:45.12 | jelly | Skyrider: you're expected to use normal squeeze repos together with squeeze-lts, btw |
| 14:45.14 | esakish | Batteries aren't that expensive. If you buy decent ones they last a long time |
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| 14:45.30 | esakish | If you're changing batteries "all the time", you need to get better ones. |
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| 14:45.44 | some-cowbell_ | they're infinitely more expensive than free |
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| 14:47.03 | jelly | some-cowbell_: maybe the computer is 6m away. Maybe mjt has peculiar hands and only a tiny bt mouse fits and leaves him without cramps. Maybe we don't need to second guess users' questions so much. |
| 14:47.12 | mjt | some-cowbell_: I haven't replaced batt on this mouse for over half a year of almost constant usage |
| 14:47.38 | mjt | but it was used with windows on this same laptop |
| 14:47.51 | esakish | How well do BT mice work with linux, btw? |
| 14:47.56 | esakish | Just plug & play or what? |
| 14:47.57 | some-cowbell_ | that is pretty good... and, bluetooth is radio which is fairly expensive powerwise |
| 14:47.59 | mjt | that's my question esakish |
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| 14:48.45 | mjt | i "plugged" (actually paired) it "on", it works for a while, and I have to "re-pair" it again |
| 14:48.49 | SillyTalker | centrx: sorry i lost what you said can you repeat it once more? i have to use webchat... |
| 14:48.51 | mjt | this is very annoying |
| 14:49.08 | esakish | :( |
| 14:49.10 | SillyTalker | centrx: because i deleted the log files and it did not free up as much as i deleted |
| 14:49.18 | esakish | Is there any options in BT config to extend pair life? |
| 14:49.30 | mjt | there's no option to reduce pair life |
| 14:49.31 | centrx | <centrx> SillyTalker, Use du -x to avoid counting other filesystems |
| 14:49.31 | centrx | <centrx> SillyTalker, Use apt-get clean to get some quick space |
| 14:49.46 | SillyTalker | centrx: ty |
| 14:49.51 | esakish | mjt, If you're using KDE, check the "Input Devices" in system settings |
| 14:49.58 | some-cowbell_ | when I pair my cell with my car, it doesn't unpair |
| 14:50.24 | some-cowbell_ | perhaps something specific is wrong? |
| 14:50.30 | SillyTalker | centrx: ok so i can use du, however my system stops working when df -h shows the disk is full |
| 14:51.16 | mjt | some-cowbell: my question is exactly that -- which specific can be wrong, or where to look at. |
| 14:51.23 | centrx | SillyTalker, You have to find what is taking up the space. If /mnt/ is a different filesystem/partition than the full filesystem/partition in df, then du -x will skip /mnt/ |
| 14:51.33 | mjt | esakish: in there (in gnome) it is configured, and is set to "trusted" |
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| 14:53.49 | SillyTalker | centrx: rsyslog still had the lgos open, i restarted it and the space is freed up :) |
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| 15:01.29 | esakish | Will Debian use systemd as the default in 8 ? |
| 15:02.16 | somiaj | yes |
| 15:02.23 | somiaj | but it will still support sysvinit |
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| 15:06.02 | Skyrider | jelly |
| 15:06.06 | Skyrider | No idea how to find out, yet :) |
| 15:06.14 | Skyrider | Still a newbie with debian / linux.. but making progress. |
| 15:06.30 | Skyrider | https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using |
| 15:06.33 | Skyrider | I'm using those. |
| 15:06.37 | Skyrider | Squeeze updates combined with lts. |
| 15:06.48 | esakish | wiki doesn't work for me ... |
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| 15:09.46 | jelly | Skyrider: pastebin your complete /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:10.04 | jelly | basically you'd need |
| 15:10.10 | jelly | !squeeze sources.list |
| 15:10.11 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <squeeze/updates> <squeeze-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 15:10.18 | jelly | and lts, |
| 15:10.22 | jelly | !squeeze-lts |
| 15:10.22 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:10.53 | jelly | !tell Skyrider about paste |
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| 15:28.31 | mjt | so, anyone know how to pair a bluetooth mouse with linux so it wont require re-pairing on every (re)boot or (re)login and after every ~20 minutes? |
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| 15:31.49 | anudas | mjt: i have only idea |
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| 15:32.00 | abrotman | mjt: what is your DE? |
| 15:32.09 | mjt | abrotman: gnome |
| 15:32.30 | abrotman | mjt: You shouldn't have to anything .. is something possibly stealing your device? |
| 15:33.03 | mjt | hm. A good question. |
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| 15:35.23 | anudas | abrotman: exuse me, but i have some bluetooth device, and automatic pairing doesnt exist |
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| 15:35.38 | abrotman | thinks you're all crazy |
| 15:35.59 | anudas | abrotman: what? |
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| 15:37.01 | mjt | abrotman: why? |
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| 15:38.07 | mtn | thinks abrotman is right |
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| 15:38.58 | anudas | mjt: by the way, in fact, i no need automatic pairing, pairing is there and thats all |
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| 15:39.44 | mjt | ok, i just turned bluetooth on my phone -- another device nearby which I used with this mouse. Now there's no other BT devices around. |
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| 15:40.32 | anudas | mjt: maybe, you must do new install and dont play with toys .-) |
| 15:40.47 | mjt | but it doesn't connect automatically still. I have to press "connect" button on the mouse _and_ click to the BT icon in gnome, choose the device in the list, and hit "Connect" |
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| 15:40.58 | mjt | new install of what? |
| 15:41.03 | anudas | mjt: mouse |
| 15:41.13 | mjt | sorry, what is an "install of mouse"? |
| 15:41.18 | anudas | mjt: remove and then new install |
| 15:41.29 | aktau | Hey guys, I just allocated a bit more space to my VM. Which was partitioned as /dev/sda1 = / (primary), /dev/sda2 (extended), /dev/sda5 (swap, logical inside of /dev/sda2) |
| 15:41.30 | mjt | how to remove it? |
| 15:41.58 | aktau | I'm not sure how to best move forward here. And fdisk and cfdisk let me do different things |
| 15:42.22 | mjt | anudas: (I can wipe it from /var/lib/bluetooth/<my-device-addres>/* files, but I don't think it is what you mean) |
| 15:42.23 | aktau | For example, cfdisk lets me create both a primary and a logical partition with the unallocated space |
| 15:42.39 | aktau | That seems strange, I thought the extended partition should be the last partition on the drive |
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| 15:42.57 | anudas | mjt: you can try to plug in to another usb hole :-) |
| 15:42.59 | mjt | aktau: any out of 4 primary partitions can be extended |
| 15:43.02 | aktau | fidsk doesn't let me create a logical partition (no free sectors, it says), but does let me create a primary partition with the unallocated space |
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| 15:43.11 | mjt | anudas: how to plug an BLUETOOTH mouse into a HOLE ? |
| 15:43.34 | aktau | mjt: do you mean to transform a primary partition into an extended one? |
| 15:43.45 | anudas | mjt: you have bluetotth on motherboard? |
| 15:43.55 | aktau | mjt: the discrepancy between what fdisk and cfdisk offer me is also worrisome. |
| 15:44.08 | mjt | anudas: bluetooth is built into the notebook. I think it is a wifi+bluetooth pci-e adaptor inside |
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| 15:44.36 | anudas | mjt: :-) |
| 15:44.51 | mjt | anudas: besides, even if i remove/disable BT adaptor, the configuration wont be forgotten |
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| 15:45.24 | mjt | anudas: fdisk is a bit more low-level |
| 15:45.29 | mjt | er |
| 15:45.36 | mjt | aktau: ^^ |
| 15:45.59 | aktau | mjt: right, but cfdisk offers me more, I thought/hoped it would protect me a tiny bit more from bad choices |
| 15:46.10 | aktau | mjt: yet more choices is more ways in which to mess up |
| 15:46.13 | mjt | aktau: cfdisk manages extended partition for you automatically, fdisk requires to create one before it'll let you create any logical partitions insde. |
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| 15:46.50 | mjt | aktau: if you wont delete current partitions nothing will be lost |
| 15:46.53 | anudas | mjt: it is, how to say in nice words, even in the windows os :-) |
| 15:47.19 | mjt | aktau: but you can also _extend_ your current partition |
| 15:47.21 | aktau | mjt: I have an extended partition, /dev/sda2, yet fdisk says that it can't create a logical partition |
| 15:47.34 | mjt | um |
| 15:47.50 | mjt | show the partition table please, preferrable from sfdisk -d |
| 15:47.56 | aktau | mjt: by extending my current partition, do you mean turning it from a primary partition into an extended partition? |
| 15:48.00 | aktau | mjt: I will, just a sec. |
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| 15:48.06 | mjt | (yes it is Sfdisk, not Cfdisk) |
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| 15:49.07 | aktau | mjt: here you go: http://pastebin.com/NqNSAnLS |
| 15:49.09 | DammitJim | silly question |
| 15:49.23 | DammitJim | if I do: cp file.txt /home /var/tmp |
| 15:49.36 | DammitJim | will the file file.txt be copied to /home and /var/tmp ? |
| 15:49.41 | aktau | mjt: I don't even see /dev/sda{3,4} showing up in other tools, funny :) |
| 15:49.44 | osfd | How can I make vim my default editor, even for X softwares ? |
| 15:50.25 | aktau | mjt: Ideally I would be able to enlarge my /dev/sda1 partition with the new free space. But I reckon I'd need to umnount for that, and I can't do that. |
| 15:50.30 | esakish | DammitJim, No, iirc cp only handles one destination |
| 15:50.32 | esakish | Check the man page |
| 15:50.33 | anudas | osfd: please, learn, what word even means >/] |
| 15:50.42 | aktau | mjt: it's a headless server that I can't reboot, and /dev/sda1 is mounted on / |
| 15:50.50 | DammitJim | how do you guys deal with copying 1 file to multiple destinations? for loop? |
| 15:50.58 | esakish | Sure |
| 15:51.06 | aktau | mjt: unfortunately, they didn't use LVM at installation time, bummer for me. |
| 15:51.23 | mjt | aktau: what's the size of the hdd? |
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| 15:51.38 | mcgreg | hi |
| 15:51.40 | DammitJim | oh, xargs |
| 15:51.41 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 15:51.45 | osfd | anudas: I may not understand what you said |
| 15:51.49 | anudas | DammitJim: it can be done by one long command inne |
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| 15:51.57 | anudas | command line |
| 15:52.01 | mcgreg | do you by chance know if there is a build of linux kernel 3.16 for debian somewhere? |
| 15:52.09 | esakish | DammitJim, iirc always use -0 with xargs |
| 15:52.10 | aktau | mjt: the HDD now has about 107GB. The total covered by partitions is about 46GB. |
| 15:52.32 | aktau | mjt: it used to be 46GB total space of course, but I allocated more because it was filling up. |
| 15:52.43 | aktau | mjt: in fact, I'm at 100% disk utilization right now (I know, very stupid). |
| 15:52.55 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 15:52.56 | mjt | allocated from what? |
| 15:53.04 | aktau | From the virtual machine total |
| 15:53.05 | DammitJim | why is that esakish ? |
| 15:53.11 | aktau | It runs under a VM. |
| 15:53.29 | esakish | Not sure where I can find the link, but xargs doesn't work well with filenames that don't end up NUL |
| 15:53.40 | esakish | Google it, should find something on it |
| 15:54.00 | mjt | not NUL but NL |
| 15:54.06 | mjt | eghrm |
| 15:54.14 | mjt | esakish: that's some strange statement |
| 15:54.27 | DammitJim | so, I should do: echo dir1 dir2 dir3 | xargs -0 -n 1 cp file1 |
| 15:54.27 | DammitJim | ? |
| 15:54.48 | esakish | Here is a quick search http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/lpt/09_22.html |
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| 15:55.12 | esakish | find . -type f -mtime +7 -print | xargs rm |
| 15:55.14 | esakish | "If find outputs the pathname ./Beware UNIX Security Holes, the xargs command would most likely tell rm to remove four filenames: ./Beware, UNIX, Security, and Holes." |
| 15:55.31 | esakish | Anyway, do your own googling |
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| 15:56.22 | mjt | esakish: by definition, xargs splits input by spaces, that's what it always did and does and what's required by the standard. Sure it wont work well with filenames with embedded newlines or spaces, for that -0 option has been invented. And no filename can contain a NUL character. |
| 15:56.49 | mjt | but in order to use -0 you have to prepare input delimited by NUL |
| 15:56.58 | esakish | mjt, I don't mean that the filename should contain NUL, I mean that filenames passed to xargs should end with NUL |
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| 15:57.31 | aktau | mjt: a tricky idea has formed in my head: try to force swapoff somehow, then try to enlarge /dev/sda2 |
| 15:57.39 | mjt | at least echo can't produce null-terminated output ;) |
| 15:57.43 | jmcnaught | osfd: In general you could use update-alternatives (for example update-alternatives --config editor). For inside X it might depend on the DE you're using. In Gnome, you could edit ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list (there might be an easy way but i couldn't find it) |
| 15:57.47 | aktau | mjt: I'm not sure how I would go about it, but does that sound good? |
| 15:58.12 | mjt | aktau: what's on sda5? |
| 15:58.29 | aktau | mjt: sda5 is swap, it's in sda2, as far as I can see |
| 15:58.43 | mjt | yes it is |
| 15:58.53 | mjt | and what do you want to achieve? |
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| 15:59.13 | osfd | jmcnaught: the point is, I don't get how vim will launched, given it's a "terminal" editor |
| 15:59.15 | aktau | mjt: I've amended with fdisk -l output: http://pastebin.com/nJ5itni9 |
| 15:59.18 | anudas | i try to do force swapoff and then swapon and system dont crash |
| 15:59.27 | jelly | aktau: next time, make a VM with a small disk for /boot partition, and a large disk for everything with LVM put on the unpartitioned full disk device; that way you can grow the disk online, and the PV and all the LVs too |
| 15:59.39 | aktau | jelly: I know, this is what I do with all machines that I install |
| 15:59.44 | aktau | jelly: I inherited this one, though. |
| 15:59.46 | mjt | swapoff is actually pretty safe |
| 15:59.49 | esakish | DammitJim, for i in /home /var/tmp; do cp file.txt "$i"; done |
| 15:59.58 | jmcnaught | osfd: check that mimetypes.list file i told you about, or tell us what DE/WM you're using? Also there's vim-gnome |
| 16:00.01 | DammitJim | esakish, I am leaning towards that ;) |
| 16:00.06 | aktau | jelly: having LVM would be heaven right now. |
| 16:00.06 | anudas | but swap was not used in that time |
| 16:00.21 | jelly | aktau: linux kernel cannot reread changes in the partition table if _any_ of the partitions on said disk are in use |
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| 16:00.29 | osfd | jmcnaught: xfce4 |
| 16:00.34 | mjt | aktau: so yes, do a swapoff, remove sda5 and sda2, and just _extend_ sda1 |
| 16:00.35 | aktau | mjt: I'd like to either enlarge /dev/sda1 (ext4 partition), or create a new partition that entails the unallocated space. |
| 16:00.38 | osfd | lightdm |
| 16:00.47 | Evropi | hey, shutdown and logout is not working properly. Not just in Enlightenment, even in the shell I get thrown into It throws me back into a shell. Expert friend suggests it's a permissions or account issue. Any ideas? |
| 16:01.05 | mjt | aktau: what's your kernel version btw? |
| 16:01.06 | DammitJim | lol |
| 16:01.08 | jelly | aktau: care to pastebin the output of "blkid" and "sfdisk -d /dev/sda" ? |
| 16:01.17 | aktau | jelly: will do, just a second. |
| 16:01.21 | mjt | jelly: sfdisk is at http://pastebin.com/NqNSAnLS |
| 16:01.26 | aktau | mjt: so you're saying I should go without swap? |
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| 16:01.37 | mjt | aktau: you can add swap after you extend it |
| 16:01.39 | anudas | Evropi: i used reboot in some time and reboot did his job normally |
| 16:01.52 | mjt | aktau: but actually I'd suggest you to create a separate virtual device for swap |
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| 16:02.03 | jelly | aktau: paste.debian.net has less ads |
| 16:02.07 | aktau | mjt: Linux m3d-server 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 10:07:46 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:02.24 | mjt | aktau: that one doesn't support online ext4fs resize iirc |
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| 16:02.43 | esakish | mjt, "at least echo can't produce null-terminated output": echo -e -n "Hello World\x00"; does that work? |
| 16:02.56 | mjt | yes, but not that easy |
| 16:03.00 | jmcnaught | osfd: well, i don't use xfce, but there might be a default applications menu option. You could look in your file manager's preferences too. Alternatively you could right-click the files and see if you can change the default open-with option. Also that mimeapps.list file I mentioned might apply to xfce as well as Gnome, though I'm not sure about that |
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| 16:03.08 | jelly | aktau: if you have enough RAM to swapoff, you can do this with one reboot only |
| 16:03.15 | mjt | esakish: i mean, if you want to use it in context, say, echo * | xargs |
| 16:03.17 | aktau | jelly: the info you requested: http://paste.debian.net/107434/ |
| 16:03.20 | esakish | Ah |
| 16:03.31 | Evropi | wow anudas reboot still works properly... but how can I shut it down? |
| 16:03.37 | aktau | mjt: I figured as much, about the only resize |
| 16:03.40 | Evropi | and I want to be able to do from within E, without opening a terminal |
| 16:03.48 | aktau | jelly: I was hoping for a no-reboot way. |
| 16:03.57 | jelly | aktau: impossible, afaik |
| 16:04.01 | aktau | jelly: I can free enough RAM though |
| 16:04.02 | mjt | aktau: but I think it's time to upgrade from squeeze already :) |
| 16:04.07 | eologolo | hi, how do i get a 0eef:0001 D-WAV Scientific Co., Ltd eGalax TouchScreen working? axis are crossed! |
| 16:04.14 | anudas | Evropi: there is also poweroff |
| 16:04.19 | aktau | mjt: entirely correct, but this server will go out of commission in about 1-2 months. |
| 16:04.27 | aktau | mjt: it needs to continue operating for the time being though. |
| 16:04.32 | jmcnaught | osfd: also check out the vim-gtk package, aka GVim, if you haven't already |
| 16:04.50 | aktau | jelly: not even creating a new partition with the unallocated space is possible? |
| 16:04.56 | Evropi | I used the shutdown command |
| 16:05.03 | jelly | aktau: kernel won't be able to see it |
| 16:05.09 | osfd | jmcnaught: precisely my point, I want bare vim, not gvim ! |
| 16:05.15 | Evropi | anudas: but how can I make it so it works properly for how E does it + the shutdown command? |
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| 16:05.17 | anudas | Evropi: what you need? |
| 16:05.26 | aktau | jelly: oh my, this is bad :( |
| 16:05.44 | Evropi | anudas: I need the machine to actually shut down without going to a shell |
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| 16:05.54 | Evropi | which puts you in more and more shells... it's so weird |
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| 16:06.05 | Evropi | maybe I should record a video |
| 16:06.06 | jelly | anudas: I _guess_ you can try creating sda3, then use kpartx to make it visible via device-mapper instead of partition table |
| 16:06.17 | anudas | Evropi: do you need shutdown? the poweroff |
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| 16:06.20 | jelly | erm. aktau ^^ |
| 16:06.39 | anudas | then |
| 16:06.43 | Evropi | anudas: yes because that's what E calls |
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| 16:06.54 | anudas | Evropi: so? |
| 16:06.58 | Evropi | I have to do it through sudo |
| 16:07.08 | Evropi | I don't want to give every user of this laptop the root password |
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| 16:07.23 | Evropi | not to mention that opening a terminal is a nono |
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| 16:07.40 | Evropi | so yeah... how do I fix the permissions so shutting the machine down works as expected? |
| 16:07.42 | aktau | jelly: I had just found partx through google as well. It sounds a bit dangerous. Also, would it still function after reboot, if I did that? |
| 16:07.53 | jelly | aktau: kpartx, not partx. |
| 16:08.01 | jmcnaught | osfd: do you have a ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list file? |
| 16:08.11 | jelly | aktau: you'll see the partition normally after a reboot |
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| 16:09.53 | osfd | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/107435/ |
| 16:09.57 | anudas | Evropi: passwords and user admin privilegs |
| 16:10.12 | aktau | jelly: alright, I guess I'll have to take the dive. Since fdisk won't allow me to create a new logical partition, I need to create a primary one, right? |
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| 16:10.27 | aktau | jelly: cfdisk, strangely enough, does seem to allow it (haven't tried writing out the changes though). |
| 16:10.41 | mjt | so, every time I (re)boot or resume the notebook, the "Connect" setting near this bluetooth mouse moves to "Off" position. Why? |
| 16:10.55 | anudas | Evropi: chomd, chroot, passw and so on |
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| 16:11.06 | Evropi | what about them? |
| 16:11.20 | jmcnaught | osfd: on my computer in wheezy it's "gvim.desktop". Also it looks like xfce has a MIME type editor, is that what you're using? http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/mime |
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| 16:11.35 | jelly | aktau: you can change the partition table and add a new one, it's just the kernel is unable to recognize the change of on-disk structures without a reboot |
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| 16:11.54 | Evropi | they all have the same permissions, I can give you the visudo line if that helps |
| 16:12.13 | aktau | jelly: right, and that's where kpartx comes in. But I'm still unsure about primary vs. logical |
| 16:12.27 | anudas | i have no time :-) |
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| 16:17.20 | FungiFox | . |
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| 16:19.29 | jelly | anudas: "logical" partitions are stored inside an "extended partition" container, historical reasons |
| 16:19.54 | jelly | aktau: what does your sfdisk -d /dev/sda look like now? |
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| 16:21.30 | aktau | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/107434/ |
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| 16:26.58 | rsw | installer is hanging on scanning disks 50%. I tried a solution from the forums involving running fdisk and setting the target dir, then commenting out partman with nano yet i get the same results. someone got a clue? |
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| 16:29.04 | Skyrider | meh. |
| 16:29.40 | dolf_ | hey all, what is the easiest way to download a bunch of .deb packages from the repositories (the most recent version) and their dependencies, so I can create a local install repos (I have an expensive pay-per-Mb and unreliable internet connection) |
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| 16:30.24 | dolf_ | I have a file with the packages I want installed (generated with editing the result of dpkg --get-selections) and would like to fetch those packages incuding dependencies |
| 16:30.34 | ksk | dolf_: "aptitude download $package" |
| 16:30.41 | dolf_ | a file with package names that it |
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| 16:31.02 | ksk | does not work including deps automagicly though |
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| 16:31.25 | dolf_ | ksk: ok, deps is kind of essential to me |
| 16:31.26 | ksk | but if all your systems are the same see deps on one machine you update normally, and download them |
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| 16:31.48 | dolf_ | I could scipt the aptitude download bit, but how to get the deps from a package then? |
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| 16:32.00 | ksk | btw, mabe you want to tell us what you try to archive, sounds a little bit strange to me :) |
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| 16:32.25 | jmcnaught | dolf_: you could look into using something like apt-cacher-ng, which is a caching proxy for APT. That way if you have multiple computers on the LAN, each package only needs to be downloaded once |
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| 16:33.32 | dolf_ | ksk, I want to install more pc's with a pre-fixed set of packages, but I don't have the infrastructure to setup a proxy and stuff. I only hhave a prepaid 3G internet connection, and want to install some pc's locally with a set of packages that I know (based on my current pc) |
| 16:33.54 | dolf_ | so I would like to have a local file repository that I can take to different places and use it to install the debian machines |
| 16:34.05 | jelly | aktau: oh, you haven't gone and added a partition yet? |
| 16:34.11 | dolf_ | like the cdrom repositories |
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| 16:35.26 | aktau | jelly: not yet, no. |
| 16:35.47 | aktau | jelly: I'm having a difficult gordian knot in my mind. I would like to avoid a reboot at all costs. |
| 16:35.50 | dolf_ | and I would like to be able to little by little (depending on internet availability) download the packages, untill I have all of them, and then start installing. The problem with using packages from the internet (with or without a caching proxy) is that when the internet connection dies, so does the install |
| 16:35.54 | jmcnaught | dolf_: maybe something like apt-offline then? http://www.debian-administration.org/article/648/Offline_Package_Management_for_APT |
| 16:36.03 | jelly | aktau: if you add a primary partition, that will leave the rest of the current table unchanged, including the "extended partition" sda2 container. That way you can just remove it later to get back to the old state |
| 16:36.05 | aktau | jelly: the server is almost end of life and the last reboot caused no end of issue. I'd like to avoid wasting a few days. |
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| 16:36.13 | Skyrider | Greetings again. |
| 16:36.34 | jelly | aktau: using samba or nfs for remote storage not an option? |
| 16:36.57 | aktau | jelly: have never done that, I must admit. I just need to extend the life of this server for another 2 months (approx) |
| 16:37.08 | aktau | jelly: I just managed disabling the swap, by the way |
| 16:37.11 | Skyrider | jelly: Would you be so kind to share with me what you last said towards me? Before or after the bot message. miranda lacks the ability to scroll up, and cuts off text. |
| 16:37.21 | aktau | jelly: if I resize the extended partition (/dev/sda2) now, will the kernel see it? |
| 16:37.26 | jelly | aktau: nope |
| 16:37.32 | aktau | jelly: damnit... |
| 16:37.54 | aktau | Why oh why did they not use LVM... |
| 16:38.40 | jelly | Skyrider: pastebin your complete /etc/apt/sources.list (http://paste.debian.net), and see you have complete squeeze sources (/msg dpkg squeeze sources.list) in addition to lts (/msg dpkg squeeze-lts) |
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| 16:39.25 | jelly | aktau: there's a simpler solution. Instead of using space on this disk, add a _new_ disk to the VM |
| 16:39.53 | Skyrider | jelly: I assume Miranda is bugged, the messages I receive from dpkg are weird. |
| 16:40.12 | jelly | aktau: it will be unused by the OS for obvious reasons and can be partitioned and formatted however you want |
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| 16:40.29 | Skyrider | » <- not sure if you see what I see.. an A with something above it including an arrow pointing to the right. |
| 16:40.50 | jelly | Skyrider: oh, apparently your client doesn't deal with UTF-8 well |
| 16:40.59 | Skyrider | So it seems. |
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| 16:41.21 | jelly | Skyrider: if there's an option to set encoding or codepage somewhere, set it to UTF-8 |
| 16:41.40 | aktau | jelly: I should've been more specific, the extra space was added by the hosting company. They ask a lot of money for even simple things like that, I would like to avoid that. If there's no other way, I'll have to make the dicision anyway. |
| 16:42.11 | jelly | aktau: why am I not asking 50% of that lot to help you fix things?! |
| 16:42.15 | dolf_ | jmcnaught: I don't really understand apt-offline. Does it allow me to specify a set of packages to download and store them as a local repos? It doesn't look like it from what I read from the website. |
| 16:42.25 | Skyrider | http://paste.debian.net/107440/ is my current source list. |
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| 16:43.19 | dolf_ | I just want to start an install, give the install a local repos, and start installing a debian machine without an internet connection, using a local repos as the source |
| 16:43.57 | dolf_ | so really my question is still: how do I download a package and its deps from the repos? |
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| 16:44.23 | aktau | jelly: well, it's not their problem, but I see how you could ask me for money. I'm sorry if I've offended you. |
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| 16:46.07 | rsw | is there a solution for the "scanning disks" installer step getting stuck at 50%? |
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| 16:48.24 | jelly | aktau: I jest. after you create a new partition, "kpartx -l -p _p /dev/sda" ought to show it would like to create /dev/sda_p3 (and sda_p1 and p2 and p5, too) |
| 16:48.39 | mtn | rsw: how did you make your install disk? is it usb or dvd? |
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| 16:49.05 | rsw | win32-loader, from the debian wiki mtn |
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| 16:49.21 | jelly | aktau: replacing -l with -a would actually do that, and you ought to be able to use /dev/sda_p3 afterwards |
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| 16:49.27 | mtn | rsw: is it usb or dvd? |
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| 16:49.59 | rsw | neither. it's win32-loader. an executable for configuring the bootloader etc. without removable media |
| 16:50.00 | jelly | aktau: under no circumstances touch /dev/sda_p[125] with anything that might write stuff |
| 16:50.12 | aktau | jelly: I suppose it would name it /dev/sda_p3 instead of /dev/sda3 to signal it's created in a hacky way? |
| 16:50.18 | mtn | rsw: oh, sorry. no idea then. |
| 16:50.46 | jelly | aktau: that's what -p parameter does. |
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| 16:50.57 | rsw | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win32-loader_(Debian) mtn |
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| 16:51.40 | jelly | aktau: also, stops kpartx-create device nodes from clashing with existing partition device nodes /dev/sda[125] |
| 16:51.40 | mtn | rsw: not the way I would do it, for sure :P |
| 16:51.48 | jelly | kpartx-created* |
| 16:52.03 | rsw | well, your machine prolly has functional optical drives and/or usb boot mtn |
| 16:52.17 | aktau | jelly: indeed, but since /dev/sda3 doesn't exist yet and the kernel won't create /dev/sda3, I don't see the issue. |
| 16:52.24 | mtn | rsw: indeed |
| 16:52.36 | aktau | jelly: unless the /dev/sda_p3 persists after boot, and then /dev/sda3 also exists |
| 16:52.36 | rsw | i guess i'm being really cheap not wanting to put a new optical drive in a 10 year old emachine. well wubi works at least. |
| 16:52.44 | jelly | aktau: kpartx wants to create all the partitions it sees |
| 16:53.00 | magyar | hi, is /bin/ping not in jessie anylonger? |
| 16:53.04 | aktau | jelly: so it will also create /dev/sda_p1? |
| 16:53.13 | aktau | jelly: basically being a clone of /dev/sda1? |
| 16:53.15 | jelly | aktau: yes, all of them |
| 16:53.29 | Skyrider | Its weird.. I can find a lot of solutions for the public key issue, but thats all for ubuntu. |
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| 16:54.15 | jelly | Skyrider: which version of debian-archive-keyring do you have installed? |
| 16:54.19 | aktau | Ok, I got only 10 min left before I have to go, feels like Mission Impossible, only nerdier. Here goes nothing :). I apologize for my newness at HD management with Linux, jelly |
| 16:55.02 | jelly | aktau: don't do it if you have to leave now. Also: this isn't management but kludges and hacks. |
| 16:55.33 | jelly | tho, the best I can think of given the no-reboot requirement |
| 16:55.38 | aktau | jelly: kludges and hacks indeed... especially the /dev/sda_p3 business. |
| 16:55.48 | aktau | jelly: still I'm happy there is actually a way |
| 16:55.50 | Skyrider | jelly : I'm afraid I'm unsure. |
| 16:56.04 | jelly | Skyrider: dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring, show the last line |
| 16:56.19 | aktau | jelly: right, so "kpartx -a -p _p /dev/sda" will create them... |
| 16:56.20 | Skyrider | figured it was a package. |
| 16:56.36 | Skyrider | 2010.08.28 |
| 16:57.02 | aktau | jelly: create/reload failed on sda_p3, evice-mapper: reload ioctl failed: Invalid argument |
| 16:57.09 | aktau | jelly: no sigar, I'm afraid ;) |
| 16:57.36 | Skyrider | Thanks jelly |
| 16:57.41 | Skyrider | Updating it worked just perfectly. |
| 16:58.47 | aktau | jelly: gotta go, thanks again for all the help, if one day I actually have (spending) money and I meet you in real life, remind me to buy you a few |
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| 16:59.15 | jelly | aktau: oh well, it was worth a try |
| 16:59.15 | aktau | jelly: (the kpartx command failed, but I hope googling a bit when I return will alleviate the problem) |
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| 16:59.53 | jelly | Skyrider: you probably have lots of other updates, too, then |
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| 17:03.10 | Skyrider | indeed. But I'm removing all Dreamhost ngn packages first. |
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| 17:33.32 | Skyrider | Hey jelly .. Currently cleaning up the VPS.. Noticed apache 2, utils, bin, common, and lib packages that belongs to the apache2. |
| 17:33.38 | Skyrider | I can safely remove all of it if I go nginx, right? |
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| 17:34.05 | Skyrider | All the libs are runtime library, urility, sqlite3 driver, ldap driver, all for apache. |
| 17:34.10 | mjt | isn't gnome pulls in apache? |
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| 17:34.19 | Skyrider | ? |
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| 17:34.24 | jmcnaught | Skyrider: i would consider stopping apache and checking to see if that breaks anything before outright removal |
| 17:35.12 | Skyrider | unsure how to check if anything breaks when we are using nginx / php in the first place :) |
| 17:36.06 | jmcnaught | Skyrider: well you know the system better than we would right? |
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| 17:36.21 | Skyrider | Ya.. I'm just making sure I don't break things.. that's all |
| 17:36.28 | Skyrider | Seeing I cannot reset the system with my access. |
| 17:36.40 | meek_geek | guys I have an image copy of Debian 7.2 Xfce but it does not install ever |
| 17:36.44 | meek_geek | just bad copy ? |
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| 17:39.04 | ryeseisi | meek_geek: probably. check the md5sums or sha1 hash, whichever debian gives on their site for the iso |
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| 17:39.39 | ryeseisi | if even 1 bit is off between your iso and theirs the hash will be completely different |
| 17:39.47 | meek_geek | ryeseisi, ok I would download the latest then :] |
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| 17:40.59 | lmat | On the login screen, how do I change the keyboard layout? |
| 17:41.15 | lmat | Once I login, I can change from qwerty to dvorak, but at the login screen, I can't figure out how to change. |
| 17:41.17 | meek_geek | ryeseisi, does debian stable support latest 4th Processors by Intel/ |
| 17:41.58 | ryeseisi | meek_geek: dunno. would be a good google search. if they only came out recently, probably not without using backports. |
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| 17:42.26 | ryeseisi | ryeseisi: i'm cheap, i only run old systems lol. |
| 17:43.13 | jmcnaught | meek_geek: the CPU itself should be supported. If it has some fancy integrated GPU you might have some difficulties which the backports kernel may help with. It's hard to say without more details. |
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| 17:43.24 | ryeseisi | ^ |
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| 17:43.44 | Mathuin | My computer at work was converted from Ubuntu to Debian. On Ubuntu, when I fullscreened an application, the window's titlebar was no longer displayed and the file edit etc. was in the unity bar. When I fullscreen the same app on Debian, the title bar is still visible. This is causing some scrollbar issues. How can I make Debian act like Ubuntu did in this case? I think I'm using Gnome 3 on Debian but I'm not completely sure. |
| 17:43.59 | meek_geek | jmcnaught, Intel has integrated graphics like HD 4400 or 4600 |
| 17:45.03 | ryeseisi | Mathuin: what window manager/desktop environment are you using? |
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| 17:45.17 | ryeseisi | sorry, didn't read your last sentence |
| 17:45.19 | ryeseisi | haha |
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| 17:45.23 | mtn | Mathuin: there might be a gnome extension to do that. extensions.gnome.org |
| 17:45.27 | ryeseisi | ^ |
| 17:45.29 | Mousey | o/ |
| 17:45.53 | jmcnaught | meek_geek: well it should work in a basic VESA fallback mode no matter what. Getting 3D acceleration may require newer xorg than what's in Wheezy. http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ <-- this site might help you research the issue |
| 17:46.30 | meek_geek | jmcnaught, so I better switch from debian to xubuntu ? |
| 17:47.07 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: debian jessie? |
| 17:47.08 | jmcnaught | meek_geek: that's not what i said. |
| 17:47.26 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: or maybe backports |
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| 17:47.47 | Mathuin | "We cannot detect a running copy of GNOME on this system" it says. How can I confirm that I'm running GNOME here on Debian? |
| 17:48.01 | ryeseisi | meek_geek: if it's only a kernel driver issue then backports or upgrading to testing/unstable should work |
| 17:48.10 | jmcnaught | meek_geek: are you running Debian Wheezy right now on this computer? What is the output of "lspci -nn | grep VGA" ? |
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| 17:48.12 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, Jessie I love your idea but the problem is I have heard Jessie get as many updates as Arch linux does .. is it true ? |
| 17:48.17 | ryeseisi | Mathuin: If it can't detect a running copy then you aren't running gnome |
| 17:48.28 | ryeseisi | Mathuin: Can you post a screenshot to imgur? |
| 17:48.45 | Mathuin | Sure, but I think the real problem is that I'm running Chrome and Chrome no longer supports NPAPI. Lemme try Firefox first! |
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| 17:48.51 | mtn | Mathuin: do you see extensions anyway? if so, it should work ok. |
| 17:49.06 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: Afaik it should be quite a bit more stable than arch since the packages have to be in sid for 10+ days first |
| 17:49.23 | Mathuin | iceweasel tells me it can't detect one either. |
| 17:49.31 | Mathuin | I can see the website https://extensions.gnome.org |
| 17:49.34 | meek_geek | jmcnaught, I am using AMD C-60 netbook right now ; my new laptop is in mail |
| 17:49.36 | Mathuin | And that's what's giving me this error. |
| 17:49.58 | jmcnaught | Mathuin: that extensions.gnome.org site should work in Iceweasel. It needs a browser plugin (included by default) to work. Also by "full screen" do you mean maximize, or full screen as in pressing F11? |
| 17:49.59 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: but I am quite "new" to debian, but I used arch for quite a long time so I know that stuff often breaks with arch updates |
| 17:50.27 | Mathuin | jmcnaught: by full screen I mean maximize. |
| 17:50.27 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, Ok Debian Stable might work fine with i5 and integrated graphics says my friend ; he is using it |
| 17:51.03 | Mathuin | ryeseisi: taking a screenshot of iceweasel now. |
| 17:51.06 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: yes I am doing the same thing. wehezy with a backport for intel to get my integrated graphics to recognize external screens |
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| 17:51.35 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, what is your system config |
| 17:51.46 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: Also required a backport of the linux kernel |
| 17:52.04 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: if i remember correctly. What do you mean by system config? |
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| 17:52.32 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: Do you want me to list everything I use on a daily basis or.. ? |
| 17:52.34 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, what is the hardware that you are running right now ? |
| 17:52.36 | jmcnaught | Mathuin: the title-bar showing on maximized windows is normal behaviour for Gnome 3.4 in Wheezy. If you press "F11" in Iceweasel is that closer to what you want? |
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| 17:53.10 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: The lenovo G510 notebook http://www.amazon.de/Lenovo-Notebook-4700MQ-5400RPM-schwarz/dp/B00FQLVHK0 |
| 17:53.32 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, haha I bought the same laptop man! its in mail!! |
| 17:53.33 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: it's got an i7 with HD4600 integrated graphics |
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| 17:53.52 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, i bought with i5 4600 |
| 17:54.02 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: lol, good choice. I compared laptops for weeks and picked this one. literally. |
| 17:54.23 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: I see. I would guess the drivers are the same though |
| 17:54.51 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: I guess you also have the BCM4312 wifi card that doesn't work in stable out of the box? |
| 17:55.22 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, I did 2 hours of research and finally got this i5 with Intel graphics only ( i don't like dedicated graphics ) and with extra ram slot ( empty ) also nice keyboard and freeDOS |
| 17:55.26 | meek_geek | i love the package |
| 17:55.40 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: check with "lspci | grep Network" |
| 17:56.38 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, and don't you think lenovo is offering latest hardware @ lowest price ? |
| 17:56.48 | ryeseisi | I've had the unfortunate luck of ALL of my laptops having broadcom chips. Always a joy to set up. |
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| 17:56.59 | mr_foobar_baz | ryeseisi: yes me too |
| 17:57.18 | mr_foobar_baz | ryeseisi: jessie actually supports it ootb I think but I really wanted stable |
| 17:57.43 | ryeseisi | mr_foobar_baz: yeah, at this point it's more of a chore than a challenge, but it's getting better and easier every time I have to do it |
| 17:57.56 | mr_foobar_baz | ryeseisi: because stable is really stable. and I like that a lot. don't have time to fix issues all the time |
| 17:57.57 | ryeseisi | which is nice because 8 years ago it took days |
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| 17:58.11 | ryeseisi | same, I'm on CB stock, so deb stable also |
| 17:58.15 | ryeseisi | loving it so far |
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| 17:58.33 | techevo | i suffered the some issue, i followed this guide, worked for me http://www.chokepoint.net/2014/04/installing-broadcom-bcm43142-drivers-on.html |
| 17:58.42 | techevo | debian stable + backport kernel |
| 17:59.07 | ryeseisi | deb stable without backports seems to work fine, just gotta grab the firmware |
| 17:59.22 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: I guess. At least an i7 for that price is very unusual. And before this one I had an HP gaming laptop for 1200€ that broke down after 3 days. Just black screen and wouldn't boot anymore. Took ages to get my money back from HP. |
| 17:59.30 | techevo | the only reason i used backport was for my ethernet actually.. |
| 17:59.39 | Mathuin | jmcnaught: the app in question is not iceweasel, it is vncviewer. f11 in iceweasel does something very similar to what I want, except the titlebar trumps the overlay bar, and the other way 'round was what I expected. Sorry for the delay, got a phone call. |
| 17:59.50 | ryeseisi | wow really? usually ethernet is supported ootb |
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| 18:00.06 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: but back to topic.. do you have the BCM4312 wifi card as well? because if that's so then I also have to show you how to get that working |
| 18:00.07 | techevo | alx didnt yet support this model with 3.2 kernel |
| 18:00.16 | mr_foobar_baz | ryeseisi: oh yeah, that didn't work either with 3.2 |
| 18:00.25 | mr_foobar_baz | ryeseisi: that's why I backported the newer kernel |
| 18:00.33 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: you might have that issue too? |
| 18:00.35 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, sure I love Asus laptop thought they work fine with debian default without non-free blobs |
| 18:00.39 | ryeseisi | gotcha |
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| 18:01.23 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, I have an external USB wifi |
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| 18:01.30 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: My old laptop was an acer extensa, pretty much everything worked OOTB or with minimal hassle |
| 18:01.37 | jmcnaught | Mathuin: not sure if vncviewer has a fullscreen mode. However if you look into the Keyboard shortcuts, under "Windows" section there's a "Toggle fullscreen mode" shortcut which is disabled by default. That might be what you're looking for |
| 18:01.44 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: So you never use the internal one? |
| 18:02.02 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, I use hardware that work with Free Software only |
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| 18:02.10 | Mathuin | jmcnaught: I'm on a dual-monitor system and for whatever reason vncviewer's fullscreen screws that up. That's why I went with window maximizing. |
| 18:02.10 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: I would rather not have to use my USB wifi when I am not at home and using my laptop |
| 18:02.12 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: ok |
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| 18:02.28 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: Is the intel driver free software? |
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| 18:02.40 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, open though |
| 18:02.40 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: cause if not you can't use that laptop I guess :P |
| 18:02.45 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: I see |
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| 18:03.07 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: does your ethernet work with the 3.2 kernel? |
| 18:03.11 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, In fact most of the asus / acer laptop with intel graphics work well with trisquel and debian stable ( free repo ) |
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| 18:03.49 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, my laptop in mail ; with my current laptop nothing works fine ; its amd c-60 shitty apu |
| 18:03.52 | Skyrider | php5-fpm is not in the official debian repository? |
| 18:04.01 | Skyrider | debian 6 that is. |
| 18:04.06 | jmcnaught | Mathuin: maybe you'll have more luck with Gnome's Vinagre (aka Remote Desktop Viewer) |
| 18:04.27 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: oh right |
| 18:04.42 | Mathuin | jmcnaught ryeseisi: http://imgur.com/a/HkCWt here's the two screenshots. |
| 18:05.31 | Mathuin | jmcnaught: vinagre isn't really a solution here. I would sooner modify the geometry of the vnc session to exactly fit the screen. I did that for Ubuntu and it worked. If it has to be slightly smaller, that's fine, as long as I know the exact values. |
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| 18:05.53 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, I think i would return the laptop and buy one with atheros wifi card |
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| 18:06.01 | Skyrider | odd.. |
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| 18:07.35 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: so yeah.. you probably need the kernel from backports, at least to get ethernet working. Should you want to get a BCM4312 working, this page: http://www.mindwerks.net/2013/10/wireless-bcm4312-with-the-3-10-and-3-11-kernels/. For intel you have to create a custom backport of the intel driver.. But probably only if you need 3d or multi head support. One screen worked fine OOTB. |
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| 18:08.22 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: I think that's all the info you need to get started. Or you can get another laptop if you want. I really like this one... |
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| 18:09.34 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: You could change the wifi card, but there is a BIOS protection that checks an ID on the card. Appereantly that can be circumvented by changing the ID on your atheros card or whatever but it's a bit complicated http://web.archive.org/web/20071016063645/http://www.dagarlas.org/stuff/computing/article0001.php |
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| 18:09.40 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, man than I might switch to trisquel |
| 18:10.01 | meek_geek | then* |
| 18:10.54 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: idk trisquel.. I'd recommend jessie if stable is too much trouble |
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| 18:11.28 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: be aware that jessie is quite stable now and will become the new "stable" eventually |
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| 18:13.08 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: I actually try to stay away from anything ubuntu.. bad experiences with it and all it's tightly integrated unity stuff and so on |
| 18:13.14 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, ok thanks for all info |
| 18:13.26 | jmcnaught | Mathuin: i think the gnome extensions site was suggested to you because you might find an extension that modifies Gnome to do what you want.. The screenshot you posted has a bar asking if you want to allow the plugin required to use that site. I'm only an occasional reluctant user of VNC so I don't really have any other suggestions |
| 18:13.56 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: you're welcome... I am here quite often if you need anything |
| 18:13.56 | lmat | I was trying to start x11vnc remotely just now, and gave up eventually, called on the phone and asked my wife to run "echo $DISPLAY". She said it returned :1. |
| 18:14.22 | lmat | How the crap was I supposed to know it's on :1? (there's only one display server!, one monitor, etc.) Is there any way to tell what dispay X is using? |
| 18:14.58 | Mathuin | jmcnaught: I wasn't sure if I was even running GNOME at the time. I went with the workaround of changing the parameters -- I lost 32 pixels but no more scrollbar and that's what really matters. |
| 18:15.04 | mr_foobar_baz | lmat: you mean if you have a ssh connection to the machine? |
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| 18:15.09 | lmat | mr_foobar_baz: yes |
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| 18:15.34 | Mathuin | lmat: if you want a crappy way to find out, look in /tmp and /tmp/.X11-unix. |
| 18:15.37 | mr_foobar_baz | lmat: maaaaybe with ps aux | grep vncserver |
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| 18:15.40 | lmat | mr_foobar_baz: That's how I'm running x11vnc, too. I use ssh and run x11vnc, but of course, I need to tell it which display to use. I assumed :0, but I was wrong. I would rather not guess :) |
| 18:15.44 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, ok are you an active dev ? |
| 18:15.44 | Mathuin | You will see /tmp/.X1-lock and /tmp/.X11-unix/X1 if you're on 1. |
| 18:15.45 | mr_foobar_baz | lmat: there definitely is *a* way |
| 18:15.45 | lmat | mr_foobar_baz: I'm running the vnc server... |
| 18:16.07 | lmat | mr_foobar_baz: In other words, there is no vnc server before I start it :) |
| 18:16.10 | lmat | Mathuin: hmm |
| 18:16.22 | Mathuin | I wish vncserver had a way to list vnc servers the way screen has a way to list screen sessions, but alas. |
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| 18:16.39 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: well yes but usually not a "debian dev" |
| 18:16.54 | lmat | Mathuin: Interesting. I see two files in there: X0 and X1 |
| 18:17.06 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: I mostly develop web stuff on my job |
| 18:17.11 | Mathuin | The second directory is for all X screens I believe. |
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| 18:17.16 | lmat | Mathuin: And they're pretty crazy files :) srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jun 30 ... |
| 18:17.28 | Mathuin | Yep, Unix sockets |
| 18:17.30 | lmat | Mathuin: Those two files are normal "files", not directories. |
| 18:17.34 | lmat | Mathuin: ahh |
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| 18:17.53 | Mathuin | So for example I see .X0-lock owned by root and .X3-lock owned by jmt -- the latter is my VNC session. |
| 18:18.09 | lmat | Mathuin: That doesn't exactly answer the question. |
| 18:18.24 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, I am a paralegal and happen to develop some interest in web development ( coding ) too ; I started with JS. Any tips ? |
| 18:18.35 | lmat | When I run x11vnc -noxdamage -many -display $WHATDISPLAY -auth "$auth" -forever; |
| 18:18.39 | lmat | I need to know what display to pass... |
| 18:19.13 | lmat | So, I will do :N where N is the second part of the filename under /tmp/.X11-unix/* ? |
| 18:19.19 | lmat | s/part/character |
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| 18:19.58 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: um... make sure you actually really learn how to program and do things the right way. Learn TDD (aka BDD). Ruby (And Ruby on Rails) is awesome. PHP is bad. |
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| 18:20.27 | Mathuin | -display `ls -al /tmp/.X*-lock | grep USERNAME | awk '{ print $9 }' | sed -e "s/\/tmp\/\.X//" -e "s/-lock//"` |
| 18:20.30 | Mathuin | UGLY AS SIN |
| 18:20.41 | Mathuin | Might need to prepend a colon to that `` argument |
| 18:20.45 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: You can also use server side js with node.js if you are into that.. but ruby on rails with it's community is quite something |
| 18:20.49 | Mathuin | But it retrieves the correct numerical screen value. |
| 18:21.03 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, but when i develoop a program that adds two numbers ; it won't show output in firefox but only in console why ? |
| 18:21.13 | Mathuin | Jam the : in the first // and you're good. |
| 18:21.17 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: And I deploy my web stuff on linode servers running debian stable ofc |
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| 18:21.38 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: oh boy... |
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| 18:22.07 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: try "alert(your_result);" |
| 18:22.11 | teraflops | Xrdp > vnc |
| 18:22.36 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, that is an alert but i want like normal HTML text |
| 18:22.47 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: if you want the HTML on your page to change you have to manipulate the HTML elements using JS |
| 18:23.13 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, ai'ght |
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| 18:23.49 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: you can use document.body.innerHTML = "something" |
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| 18:24.14 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: you can also run JS in the command line if you just want to learn JS itself |
| 18:24.37 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: with "js" on my wheezy system |
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| 18:24.45 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: then you also have an interactive prompt |
| 18:24.57 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: fyi this conversation is kinda off topic |
| 18:25.15 | meek_geek | mr_foobar_baz, yep hence I PMed you long back |
| 18:25.33 | mr_foobar_baz | meek_geek: oh I didn't notice :P |
| 18:25.42 | meek_geek | np sir |
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| 18:26.59 | pythonista | I am trying to change my mysql data directory, but I am having a problem with apparmor, can anyone help? I am on Ubuntu, but asking here because the problem seems to be with apparmor and no one can help at #ubuntu or #mysql. Here is a full description of the problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/490075/error-restarting-apparmor-while-changing-mysql-data-directory |
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| 18:29.44 | pythonista | jmcnaught: well can anyone read an apparmor error message? |
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| 18:45.21 | boycottg00gle | gregor2: maybe xinput list and xinput disable helps |
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| 18:46.16 | ryeseisi | maybe also check out http://www.ubuntugeek.com/touchfreeze-tray-icon-that-disables-your-touchpad-while-typing.html if you just want it disabled while typing |
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| 18:46.51 | ryeseisi | nvm. itt I forget to check apt-cache for a deb package before offering advice |
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| 18:49.48 | npic | Hi! I have a Debian sid machine with Intel graphics. I want to start a second X server from within the main X session. The problem is, I can't switch between two consoles. If I try Ctrl+alt+F7, I get back to the first session, but Ctrl+Alt+F8 gets me to a black screen with cursor blinking. What should I do? |
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| 18:51.42 | HelloShitty | Hi |
| 18:51.57 | Brigo | npic, Ctrl+Alt+F8 gets you to your new Xorg session, the problem is that it is empty |
| 18:52.03 | HelloShitty | Does anyone knows the package name for missing library img::png in Debian? |
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| 18:52.36 | Brigo | holmgren, python, perl , ruby, C? |
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| 18:53.07 | holmgren | perl please |
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| 18:54.10 | holmgren | But I think you meant to adress HelloShitty |
| 18:54.26 | npic | Brigo: sorry, probably I was too unclear. I run something like "xinit myprogram :1" from within the first X and get to the second, and it does work. But if I switch to the first X, I can't switch back. |
| 18:55.03 | HelloShitty | :p |
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| 18:55.28 | Brigo | npic, it should be because you have not any windows manager. |
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| 18:56.04 | HelloShitty | Was any of the answers to me? |
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| 18:56.28 | happytux_ | hi |
| 18:56.39 | MrAnonymous | hey |
| 18:56.50 | happytux_ | So I changed the network configuration (e.g. /etc/network/interfaces) and now I want to apply it _without restarting the whole system_. |
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| 18:57.02 | happytux_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.02 | npic | Brigo: you mean, the "myprogram" should be a WM? |
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| 18:57.26 | happytux_ | Also I don't want to restart the whole networking but only the part with the interfaces/adapters actually changed. |
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| 18:57.35 | Brigo | npic, or you should exec a wm before. |
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| 18:58.24 | npic | Brigo: I tried that too. Run a WM that autostarts myprogram. The program works, but the switching still don't. |
| 18:58.29 | Brigo | happytux_, ifdown ifup |
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| 18:58.31 | ryeseisi | happytux_: ifdown then ifup? |
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| 18:58.47 | Brigo | npic, so no more clues, sorry :) |
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| 18:59.11 | HelloShitty | looks like not |
| 18:59.12 | npic | Brigo: thanks nevertheless. |
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| 18:59.21 | Brigo | npic, yw :) |
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| 19:02.00 | th0r | I have a recent install of wheezy on my laptop set up to autologin my account. When the desktop first loads I cannot do anything for about 30 seconds as there is 20-30 MBps being written to the disk. I assume this is some indexing function, which I would like to disable. Can someone tell me what this process might be? |
| 19:02.39 | ryeseisi | fire up a htop on tty2 while it's loading and sort by processor usage |
| 19:02.43 | ryeseisi | that'll tell ya :) |
| 19:03.25 | th0r | ryeseisi, would be nice, but by the time I get logged into a second tty the process has completed. Tried to get into a terminal to run iotop but as I said, can't do anything til it completes |
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| 19:03.59 | th0r | ryeseisi, also, I run top through gkrellm at startup, and it shows nothing running a large cpu load |
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| 19:04.28 | happytux_ | Brigo / ryeseisi: Is there also a command which combines ifdown and ifup? Or one which tries it and when it fails, rolls back to previous config? |
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| 19:08.06 | ryeseisi | th0r: check out http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/unwanted.htm |
| 19:08.27 | th0r | ryeseisi, checking now...thanks |
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| 19:08.56 | ryeseisi | basically install rcconf or sysv-rc-conf and use those to find whatever service is it and disable it |
| 19:09.10 | ryeseisi | probably the easiest way |
| 19:09.46 | th0r | ryeseisi, I am familiar with those tools, but haven't been able to determine what it is that is doing that massive write. It only occurs one time, and only from a cold boot. I suspect it is part of the bootup, but happens to occur right after my login completes and my desktop appears |
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| 19:10.01 | ryeseisi | hmm |
| 19:10.14 | ryeseisi | what wm/de are you using? |
| 19:10.46 | th0r | ryeseisi, I am running a pure xfce install, no gnome or kde |
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| 19:11.38 | subz3r0 | hi |
| 19:11.49 | th0r | ryeseisi, a google of 'excessive hd writes on bootup in debian' found no mention of any problem similar to this |
| 19:11.55 | subz3r0 | isnt it possible to use pass + keyfiles for luks(dmcrypt) |
| 19:12.00 | ryeseisi | th0r: anything in ~/.config/autostart? |
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| 19:12.23 | subz3r0 | means using both vor decrypting. not just pass or keyfiles |
| 19:12.25 | subz3r0 | for |
| 19:12.37 | rostputz | subz3r0, encrypted keyfiles? |
| 19:12.53 | th0r | ryeseisi, ryeseisi gkrellm, xfce4-power-manager, sfce4-settings-helper, xpad, and xfce4-notes |
| 19:12.53 | subz3r0 | rostputz: hmm? |
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| 19:13.34 | ryeseisi | th0r: prefs>session and startup>application autostart? |
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| 19:13.57 | ryeseisi | gotta be something listed somewhere :p |
| 19:14.53 | subz3r0 | anyone? |
| 19:15.15 | th0r | ryeseisi, those items listed above are what I autostart. I don't do a saved session so there shouldn't be anything out of the ordinary...just xfwm and such. |
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| 19:16.43 | DammitJim | I hate using host files |
| 19:16.57 | th0r | ryeseisi, I removed tumbler so it isn't trying to thumbnail all my photos and such. I suspect it is some indexing 'feature' that I am not aware of (like zeitgeist-core used to be <smile>) |
| 19:17.08 | ryeseisi | th0r: and it's definitely a disk write and not just spinning up and down excessively? |
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| 19:17.52 | th0r | ryeseisi, no, it is definitely a write. I can clearly see it in gkrellm, which starts at login automatically. And as soon as the write ends, the system becomes responsive |
| 19:19.40 | ryeseisi | googling my pants off, trying to see what i can come up with |
| 19:20.16 | teraflops | th0r: may be using lsof so you can see what is wraiting? |
| 19:20.24 | th0r | ryeseisi, hope you have better luck than I....been searching google for two days now and found not much. |
| 19:20.26 | teraflops | *writing* |
| 19:20.56 | th0r | teraflops, would like to, but like I said the system is unresponsive until that massive write is complete. Can't pull up a terminal or switch to another tty until then |
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| 19:21.10 | teraflops | uhm |
| 19:21.23 | teraflops | i didint read that sorry |
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| 19:21.56 | th0r | I have been through 'ps ax' a number of times and the only things I can't identify are (more or less) kernel level. |
| 19:22.10 | ryeseisi | is this a relatively new deb install? |
| 19:22.40 | ryeseisi | i don't remember deb installing any kind of indexer by default |
| 19:22.43 | th0r | ryeseisi, yes, I had a hd crash about a week ago and did a fresh install of 7.1 that I had lying around....then updated |
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| 19:23.14 | ryeseisi | fresh install on the crashed hd? |
| 19:23.26 | teraflops | ^^ |
| 19:23.44 | ryeseisi | wondering if maybe it's a hardware thing |
| 19:24.00 | th0r | ryeseisi, the crash was my fault. Well....not exactly....there is a bug where a mounted nas will not unmount at shutdown. I thought I had it fixed, but had to just power down when it locked up |
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| 19:25.41 | th0r | ryeseisi, I do most of my computing in android in my retirement, but the geek in me just won't let this issue go <smile>. |
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| 19:27.09 | ryeseisi | haha, totally understandable |
| 19:27.22 | ryeseisi | is it a SMART hard drive? |
| 19:27.32 | th0r | ryeseisi, I dont think it is hw as it only shows on a cold boot. If I log out and back in I don't have the problem |
| 19:27.44 | th0r | ryeseisi, no....old tech....a dell 430 |
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| 19:28.30 | th0r | ryeseisi, the whole thing works like a charm except right at bootup, and that is only for about 30 seconds. |
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| 19:29.23 | th0r | ryeseisi, maybe I should just document it as a feature....an opportunity to get a cup of coffee before starting to work! |
| 19:29.43 | ryeseisi | th0r: the only other thing I can think of is to run through all the initscripts and see if there's something there.. i |
| 19:29.58 | ryeseisi | i'm not a hard disk or boot script expert though :/ |
| 19:30.37 | th0r | ryeseisi, yeah, that was going to be my next step....add 'iotop > log.log' to one of the inits and see if I could find it. Just thought I would drop by and see if anyone had another idea |
| 19:31.35 | ryeseisi | yeah, if there's nothing obvious from htop and your autostart stuff then it's gonna be a hunting game through initscripts and logs |
| 19:31.40 | ryeseisi | unfortunately |
| 19:31.50 | th0r | ryeseisi, keeps me off the streets |
| 19:32.05 | ryeseisi | haha |
| 19:32.29 | th0r | ryeseisi, thanks for the effort....if nothing else it helps to just bounce the thing of someone else. |
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| 19:32.54 | ryeseisi | th0r: yeah definitely.. that way you know you didn't overlook something obvious |
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| 19:33.38 | Monotoko | can I ask an openvpn question in here? |
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| 19:42.54 | KaaK | Monotoko, what's the issue? |
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| 19:44.20 | Monotoko | KaaK, basically OpenVPN seems to be working, I can connect and ping the servers own internal address (192.168.122.130) but can't get anywhere else in the subnet. I've added what I think are the correct iptables rules for accessing the subnet but nothing is happening (http://pastebin.com/RAB8ENfV) |
| 19:44.54 | Monotoko | I can ping 192.168.122.50 from the VPN host... but not from the VPN itself |
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| 19:51.01 | KaaK | Monotoko, have you verified that the routes are correct on both sides. Do each of the tunnels know about the other's internal networks? |
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| 19:52.12 | happytux_ | OK, so in order to restart/reconfigure a network interface, one can use ifdown and ifup. |
| 19:52.20 | happytux_ | However, is there also a command which does this both? |
| 19:52.35 | Monotoko | KaaK, looks fine to me: http://pastebin.com/M6Ch6idk |
| 19:52.38 | KaaK | Monotoko, in my experiance, it usually boils down to three problems. 1) Incomplete routes on either end 2) iptables not allowing forwarding 3) ip_forward not enabled in sysctl |
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| 19:53.21 | Monotoko | facepalms |
| 19:53.29 | KaaK | number 3? |
| 19:53.31 | Monotoko | who on earth thought it was a good idea to have ipforward off by default |
| 19:53.34 | Monotoko | yeah |
| 19:53.45 | m3tti | why is there no gnumail.app in the wheezy repo? |
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| 19:56.27 | don_armstrong | Monotoko: because you rarely actually want it on? Only a small fraction of hosts should forward packets |
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| 20:01.39 | vanila | hi guys |
| 20:01.49 | taz1232 | hi |
| 20:01.57 | vanila | I just tried to install some new package and it totall destroyed my debian system |
| 20:02.06 | vanila | I think it replaced libc and a whole bunch of other things |
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| 20:02.25 | Cpuroast | vanila: from the correct repo? |
| 20:02.32 | vanila | I just added non free repo |
| 20:02.52 | Cpuroast | but it was still wheezy? |
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| 20:03.09 | vanila | hmm I might have made a mistake there, can't remember for sure - but ill try it again and keep that in mind |
| 20:03.17 | jmcnaught | vanila: can you put /etc/apt/sources.list and anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 20:03.30 | vanila | well my system is trashed i cant boot it |
| 20:03.48 | ryeseisi | you probably pulled in something from testing or unstable by mistake |
| 20:03.50 | vanila | I didn't really lose anything because I have backups but I just tried to reinstall debian and it wouldn't write the partition |
| 20:03.53 | ryeseisi | that'll trash it for sure |
| 20:03.54 | vanila | I see |
| 20:03.55 | vanila | thanks |
| 20:04.12 | vanila | so how do I go about installing over that partition? so I can use it again |
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| 20:05.06 | ryeseisi | do you have your system and personal files on separate partitions? if you wanna do the quick and "easy" way just a re-install over the system partition might be the best way to go |
| 20:05.20 | ryeseisi | although I'm sure there's a guide somewhere on fixing broken installs |
| 20:05.23 | vanila | I have other partitions for other systems |
| 20:05.35 | vanila | but i just want a self contained debian system on this one partition like I had before |
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| 20:06.04 | vanila | so I picked it in the partitioning section fo the installer and it just said "cannot write filesystem" |
| 20:06.46 | ryeseisi | maybe try deleting and re-creating the partition? |
| 20:07.10 | vanila | alright! Do you think that has a chance of damaging my other partitions |
| 20:07.31 | ryeseisi | if you just delete that one and re-create a new one in the same space it shouldn't |
| 20:07.35 | ryeseisi | as long as it doesn't touch the MBR |
| 20:07.37 | vanila | okay |
| 20:07.42 | vanila | ill give it ashot thanks |
| 20:07.58 | ryeseisi | although you'll probably have to update your grub/lilo entries afterwards |
| 20:08.13 | vanila | alright that wont be a problem |
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| 20:22.34 | designs | hello everyone, my video card is an nvidia 250 GTS. When I go under settings > details, under graphics its lists: Gallium 0.4 on NV92. Why is that? |
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| 20:23.07 | designs | Im using debian wezzy gnome edition. |
| 20:23.39 | subz3r0 | google... |
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| 20:27.24 | designs | hello everyone, my video card is an nvidia 250 GTS. When I go under settings > details, under graphics its lists: Gallium 0.4 on NV92. Why is that? Using Debian Stable Gnome Edition. |
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| 20:29.59 | subz3r0 | google it! |
| 20:30.07 | jhutchins | designs: The chipsets are not the same as the marketing label on the box. |
| 20:30.16 | subz3r0 | doesnt make it better when you repeat the same question every 5 minutes |
| 20:30.34 | jhutchins | subz3r0: Now, now, one repeat is not every. |
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| 20:30.50 | subz3r0 | jhutchins: wait for the next 5 mins |
| 20:30.51 | subz3r0 | :D |
| 20:31.06 | jelly-home | you're also talking to yourself! |
| 20:31.14 | designs | So your saying debian is technically correct ? |
| 20:31.22 | jelly-home | ... ECHAN again |
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| 20:32.10 | jelly-home | designs: yes, NV92 probably matches your card, and you're using free drivers for it |
| 20:32.37 | designs | are there any commands to list my current driver ? |
| 20:33.07 | jelly-home | designs: what's your actual goal? |
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| 20:33.24 | jhutchins | designs: You are probably not asking the question you think you are. lsmod lists the kernel drivers, but that won't tell you anything but "nvidia". |
| 20:33.57 | jelly-home | jhutchins: actually, it won't tell "nvidia" but "nouveau" |
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| 20:34.32 | Otyugh | Ho can I know on what physical device is my "/" mounted on ? |
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| 20:34.35 | jhutchins | jelly-home: That's the kms module too? |
| 20:34.49 | jhutchins | Otyugh: The mount command will tell you. |
| 20:34.54 | designs | My goal is to get the best driver for my video card, I dont care if its propriety. Im interested in performance. |
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| 20:35.00 | jelly-home | jhutchins: yes. |
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| 20:35.17 | Otyugh | jhutchins: /dev/root on / type ext3 |
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| 20:35.21 | Otyugh | does not help é_è |
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| 20:35.50 | jelly-home | Otyugh: there's a second line for the / mount point in the output |
| 20:35.57 | mitchreward | hi guys I've compiled a kernel 3.14 on my wheezy64. and the wireless module is not loaded (ath9k) |
| 20:36.02 | mitchreward | what should i do? |
| 20:36.20 | Otyugh | well |
| 20:36.24 | Otyugh | I can show you the input |
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| 20:36.34 | Otyugh | I find it very messy |
| 20:36.37 | mitchreward | sudo modprobe ath9k; FATAL: Module ath9k not found. |
| 20:36.38 | Otyugh | I don't understand it :s |
| 20:36.57 | jelly-home | Otyugh: sure, paste.debian.net |
| 20:37.03 | jhutchins | Otyugh: Try ls -l /dev/root |
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| 20:37.23 | jelly-home | jhutchins: what is that supposed to accomplish? |
| 20:37.43 | Otyugh | http://paste.debian.net/107481/ |
| 20:37.46 | jelly-home | jhutchins: are you just guessing? |
| 20:37.46 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Shows what /dev/root is a symlink to. At least on mine. |
| 20:37.52 | jelly-home | jhutchins: on Debian? |
| 20:38.19 | jhutchins | Yeah, wheezy. |
| 20:38.38 | jelly-home | interesting |
| 20:39.15 | jhutchins | jelly-home: The actual mount is disk-by-uuid. |
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| 20:39.56 | Otyugh | so guys, what about the input ? What I wanted to do is mount / on LABEL=nand, but it failed, right ? |
| 20:40.03 | jhutchins | jelly-home: I think that's an upgrade from Lenny by way of Squeeze. |
| 20:41.03 | jmcnaught | mitchreward: why not use the 3.14 kernel in wheezy-backports? |
| 20:41.06 | jhutchins | Otyugh: You're trying to change / on a running system? |
| 20:41.11 | Otyugh | well |
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| 20:41.26 | mitchreward | don't know how to use backports |
| 20:41.29 | Otyugh | jhutchins: I'm not. I'm changing oit on fstab, it will change only at reboot, right ? |
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| 20:41.55 | mitchreward | jmcnaught, could you help me? |
| 20:42.23 | Spida | how do I find out if a system is running BIOS or (U)EFI? The HDD has both GPT and protective Partitiontable... |
| 20:42.25 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell mitchreward -about bdo kernel |
| 20:42.26 | jelly-home | jhutchins: for some reason I never noticed /dev/root was an actual valid device node on wheezy |
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| 20:42.34 | jhutchins | Otyugh: Possibly. |
| 20:42.55 | jhutchins | Otyugh: What device does LABEL=nand correspond to? |
| 20:42.56 | Otyugh | there is the actual thing : http://paste.debian.net/107482/ |
| 20:43.11 | Otyugh | it correspond to /dev/nand |
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| 20:43.16 | jmcnaught | mitchreward: you should get a message from dpkg bot about it. You can also ask the bot about wheezy-backports or anything it says between <>'s |
| 20:43.17 | jelly-home | Otyugh: and update the boot loader config and make sure it generated correct root= kernel boot parameters |
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| 20:43.34 | Otyugh | argh |
| 20:43.43 | Otyugh | Well |
| 20:44.03 | jelly-home | Otyugh: basically, run "update-grub" |
| 20:44.15 | jelly-home | unless you're using a weirder boot loader |
| 20:44.22 | Otyugh | well |
| 20:44.27 | Otyugh | it is a weird boot loader |
| 20:44.29 | Otyugh | I'm on arm |
| 20:44.39 | jelly-home | !arm |
| 20:44.39 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:44.58 | jelly-home | Otyugh: #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net may have more clueful people |
| 20:45.13 | Spida | If grub does only load when a windows 7 (which is also installed) install-dvd is present in the dvd-drive, am I correct when I guess that the MBR is broken? |
| 20:45.25 | Otyugh | mhm |
| 20:45.26 | Otyugh | well |
| 20:45.48 | Otyugh | Now how can I be sure I'm not with the "/" on /dev/nand ? |
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| 20:46.04 | Otyugh | I don't want to fail that :p |
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| 20:50.09 | yelow79 | has there been a fix for the libgdbm3 error for jessie? I'm searching google and can't find anything as of yet |
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| 20:52.13 | jelly-home | yelow79: what's the bug number for this error? |
| 20:52.58 | jelly-home | yelow79: can you find it on https://bugs.debian.org/src:gdbm ? |
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| 20:54.57 | yelow79 | crap let me look |
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| 20:55.46 | yelow79 | 753253 <-- is one bug report number |
| 20:55.51 | yelow79 | there's like 5 |
| 20:56.04 | yelow79 | all the same thing and have been merged |
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| 20:57.52 | obiewan | hi guys |
| 20:58.00 | lamp_ | I'm not sure if this it right channel for this question - just let me know if it is not. I'm running debian on an old machine and looking for a really lightweight browser. I'm trying out xombrero and luakit. Any other suggestions? |
| 20:58.49 | yelow79 | i personally like swriron |
| 20:59.06 | yelow79 | but it might be a little heavy |
| 20:59.32 | Brigo | lamp_, conlose ones, like elinks. |
| 21:00.07 | Mousey | dillo! |
| 21:00.15 | ryeseisi | yeah "lightweight" and "browser" don't really go into the same sentence too often anymore lol |
| 21:00.19 | ryeseisi | dillo is pretty decent |
| 21:00.28 | Mousey | dillo - Small and fast web browser |
| 21:00.30 | obiewan | i'm kinda new to debian and linix and wonder how to extract an rar archive. tried installing unrar via via apt-get but get an error. have tried alot of things whem searchin on google. error: "Package unrar is not available, but referred to by another package". |
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| 21:00.50 | Mousey | unrar - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version) |
| 21:00.50 | Mousey | unrar-free - Unarchiver for .rar files |
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| 21:00.57 | Mousey | apt-get install unrar-free |
| 21:00.58 | ryeseisi | unrar-free |
| 21:01.22 | Mousey | i could do this all day |
| 21:01.43 | ryeseisi | what are you trying to extract that comes in a rar archive? just curious |
| 21:02.00 | lamp_ | For these lightweight browsers, are there any security concerns that "bigger" browsers might not have? |
| 21:02.20 | ryeseisi | i imagine most of them have ssl and everything implemented |
| 21:02.49 | obiewan | have left windows and running plex on debian. i need to extract movies that i DL |
| 21:02.51 | obiewan | :) |
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| 21:03.07 | obiewan | thanks for the help. will try unrar-free right away |
| 21:03.18 | ryeseisi | gotcha |
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| 21:12.15 | mkf | Hi, After the grub screen I have a black screen, all the boot messages and user/password request aren't shown, so I have to type them blindly and the run the window manager xinit awesome. After that, I can regularly see all as usual. What can I do to fix that? What is the reason of this behaviour? |
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| 21:12.31 | yelow79 | im guessing there's no fix yet for my issue |
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| 21:13.33 | obiewan | Mousey, ryeseisi seems to be workin' now. thanks! |
| 21:13.52 | Mousey | yay! |
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| 21:15.15 | Mousey | mkf: sounds like framebuffer not putting console in a video mode your monitor likes. |
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| 21:20.35 | ryeseisi | obiewan: no problem, glad to hear it |
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| 21:22.41 | jmcnaught | yelow79: have you tried asking in #debian-next on irc.debian.org? |
| 21:22.57 | yelow79 | didn't know about either of those places |
| 21:23.13 | yelow79 | i'll slip in over there now |
| 21:23.16 | yelow79 | thanks |
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| 21:29.22 | eipieqng1 | Hello folks, I am at a real loss. Someone who knows less than but is my boss gave me a debian box and said fix it. I am not very good at fixing *inx stuff yet. All I know is that it has a hardware raid mirrored. I see grub but it wont boot. I en dup at a blinking white cursor |
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| 21:30.34 | mkf | Mousey: should I enable KMS on i915 graphics card? |
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| 21:31.24 | Mousey | mks, i have no idea! |
| 21:31.26 | eipieqng1 | WTF do i google. I want to say its the MBR record but I dont know enough to proper assume this |
| 21:31.28 | Mousey | mkf, even |
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| 21:32.19 | subz3r0 | eipieqng1: start with a live usb stick |
| 21:32.27 | subz3r0 | knoppix |
| 21:32.29 | subz3r0 | rescuecd |
| 21:32.31 | subz3r0 | or what ever |
| 21:32.38 | Mousey | eipieqng1: burn yourself a debian (or ubuntu) CD, boot from it, and try to fix it |
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| 21:32.51 | Mousey | or whatever subz3r0 said |
| 21:32.54 | eipieqng1 | I have n ubuntu installer |
| 21:32.54 | vlade_imir | eikenb, check here http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ |
| 21:33.01 | subz3r0 | Mousey: that would work, too. but knoppix has a lot of usefull tools pre installted |
| 21:33.04 | subz3r0 | installed |
| 21:33.06 | Mousey | yes |
| 21:33.19 | eipieqng1 | Knoppix sounds like a shot |
| 21:33.39 | Mousey | and knoppix is a debian derivative, so it'll be familiar ground for the unfamiliar |
| 21:33.44 | eipieqng1 | Thnka you folks. In a few hours I may ether return sans genitelia or victorious. |
| 21:33.45 | subz3r0 | for recovering faulty hdds i like rescue cd. but thats just my taste |
| 21:33.49 | subz3r0 | knoppix is very good too |
| 21:33.58 | Mousey | eipieqng1: or both! |
| 21:34.12 | eipieqng1 | Mousey, or both |
| 21:34.12 | Mousey | subz3r0: there are much worse choices |
| 21:34.24 | subz3r0 | eipieqng1: but i really RECOMMEND do BACKUPS "BEFORE" |
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| 21:34.39 | Mousey | it's hard to back up what you cannot reach |
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| 21:34.44 | Mousey | but yea |
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| 21:35.03 | subz3r0 | make clones of the disks |
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| 21:35.06 | subz3r0 | partimage, dd... |
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| 21:35.27 | subz3r0 | but well... pretty hard if its some 10PB storage monster :P |
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| 21:36.07 | McLive | whoops |
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| 21:36.17 | subz3r0 | many netsplits last days |
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| 21:36.22 | yelow79 | turns and pees on different wires |
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| 21:39.13 | textualbroken | where is the desktop in debian, i cant find it under usr |
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| 21:41.47 | nevyn | ~/Desktop |
| 21:41.47 | apt | /desktop is, like, a folder (under KDE 3.2 RC1 that is) |
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| 21:42.22 | textualbroken | i am trying to install gcc using apt-get but it keeps asking for the cd |
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| 21:42.31 | Rudde | Why can't I install firewalld? |
| 21:43.09 | subz3r0 | Rudde: what is firewalld? |
| 21:43.11 | textualbroken | when i try to cd ~/Desktop it says no such file or directory |
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| 21:43.19 | nevyn | textualbroken: remove the cd source from your sources.list |
| 21:43.20 | Rudde | IDK, but I need it for kimchi |
| 21:43.24 | Rudde | https://github.com/kimchi-project/kimchi |
| 21:43.30 | subz3r0 | textualbroken: you have to edit your sources.list |
| 21:43.47 | subz3r0 | sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:43.53 | subz3r0 | comment out the cd stuff... with # |
| 21:44.12 | subz3r0 | then sudo apt-get update |
| 21:44.23 | subz3r0 | and sudo apt-get install packagename |
| 21:44.30 | textualbroken | kk, so why cant i find the desktop ol |
| 21:44.54 | subz3r0 | no idea |
| 21:44.59 | subz3r0 | dont have debian isntalled atm |
| 21:45.02 | subz3r0 | with a DE |
| 21:45.16 | textualbroken | its got KDE |
| 21:45.18 | subz3r0 | only minimal installations without those directoried |
| 21:45.20 | subz3r0 | only minimal installations without those directories |
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| 21:46.23 | subz3r0 | textualbroken: no idea if you just need gcc... but normaly most install build-essential |
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| 21:46.35 | subz3r0 | most needed things will be installed then |
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| 21:46.56 | textualbroken | its strange |
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| 21:47.39 | subz3r0 | textualbroken: why not just check in your home dir? |
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| 21:47.50 | subz3r0 | or create some file on your desktop and search for it |
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| 21:47.56 | wrth | . |
| 21:47.57 | wrth | warning |
| 21:47.57 | wrth | you may be watched |
| 21:47.57 | wrth | do usa&israel use the internet(facebook,youtube,twitter, chat rooms ..ect)to collect informations,can we call that spying?? |
| 21:47.57 | wrth | they ask for ur name,age,gender,occupation,location&sometimes political point of veiw?!?! |
| 21:48.14 | textualbroken | when i cd to ~ |
| 21:48.16 | textualbroken | it shows empty |
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| 21:48.28 | subz3r0 | like: find / -iname createdfilename |
| 21:48.51 | subz3r0 | textualbroken: ls -lah shows nothing? |
| 21:49.03 | subz3r0 | ls -lah ~/ |
| 21:49.43 | textualbroken | it shows a bunch of . files |
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| 21:51.04 | subz3r0 | textualbroken: if nothin personal is there pastebin it please |
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| 21:51.24 | textualbroken | ok |
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| 21:51.25 | textualbroken | one sec |
| 21:51.27 | subz3r0 | ls -lah ~/ > pastethis.txt |
| 21:51.37 | subz3r0 | nano pastethis.txt |
| 21:51.40 | subz3r0 | and copy and paste it |
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| 21:52.01 | MrAlexandro | when installing nodejs and npm in debian i face problems. $node_path is not set. I have tried compiling from source, and i have tried using backports install |
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| 21:52.34 | textualbroken | the problem |
| 21:52.40 | textualbroken | is that i cant get vmware tools installed |
| 21:52.44 | textualbroken | so i can copy or paste anything |
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| 21:54.33 | subz3r0 | why not open a browser in the vm? |
| 21:54.34 | subz3r0 | no inet? |
| 21:54.58 | textualbroken | i suppose i could |
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| 21:58.16 | MrAlexandro | textualbroken open an etherpad or google doc on both and you have "paste" clipboard for this session ;) |
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| 21:58.51 | textualbroken | interesting but i really wish i could get the vmware tools working thats why im trtying to find the desktop |
| 21:59.09 | subz3r0 | ehh? |
| 21:59.15 | subz3r0 | finding desktop for vmtools? |
| 21:59.18 | subz3r0 | what for? |
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| 21:59.33 | subz3r0 | install kernel headers |
| 21:59.42 | subz3r0 | install build-essential |
| 21:59.48 | subz3r0 | mount the cd and install it |
| 21:59.50 | subz3r0 | :) |
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| 22:00.48 | textualbroken | thats the issue |
| 22:00.50 | textualbroken | i have the cd |
| 22:00.54 | textualbroken | but its read only |
| 22:00.57 | textualbroken | so i cant untar it |
| 22:01.29 | subz3r0 | uhmm? |
| 22:01.50 | subz3r0 | copy that file to your home directory |
| 22:01.50 | textualbroken | so i tried ot move the files to the desktop |
| 22:01.54 | subz3r0 | then do chmod +x file |
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| 22:01.59 | textualbroken | thats what i tried |
| 22:02.00 | subz3r0 | but why desktop? |
| 22:02.05 | textualbroken | cause its easy |
| 22:02.05 | subz3r0 | you can copy it anyhwere |
| 22:02.11 | subz3r0 | and ofc you can NOT move it |
| 22:02.13 | textualbroken | i can drag and drop to the destkop |
| 22:02.24 | subz3r0 | drag and drop is for pussies |
| 22:02.27 | subz3r0 | use the terminal |
| 22:02.38 | subz3r0 | or like i mentioned before. search for that damn file |
| 22:02.42 | Mousey | i like drag and drop! |
| 22:02.48 | subz3r0 | i like pussy! |
| 22:02.50 | textualbroken | the file is now lost |
| 22:03.03 | Mousey | don't drag and drop files into pussy |
| 22:03.18 | yelow79 | they get lost |
| 22:03.31 | subz3r0 | open a terminal. copy the file to your home or /tmp or what ever |
| 22:03.35 | subz3r0 | chmod +x that file |
| 22:03.35 | yelow79 | if you like drag and drop you belong on winblows |
| 22:03.36 | subz3r0 | and run it |
| 22:03.49 | textualbroken | copy it using the terminal? |
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| 22:04.05 | yelow79 | cp = copy |
| 22:04.17 | textualbroken | but i gotta specify the input and outpiut |
| 22:04.22 | textualbroken | and i gotta look for how to do that |
| 22:04.23 | MrAlexandro | textualbroken: http://pastebin.com/r2H1HmQL |
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| 22:05.08 | subz3r0 | i really like it to help |
| 22:05.10 | MrAlexandro | textualbroken if you double clicked the cd on the desktop it is mounted |
| 22:05.14 | subz3r0 | but i do not like it when ppl waste my time |
| 22:05.15 | subz3r0 | http://blog.pusheax.com/2013/02/installing-vmware-tools-on-debian.html |
| 22:05.18 | subz3r0 | use this. |
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| 22:05.38 | textualbroken | im just gonna move to ubuntu |
| 22:05.40 | textualbroken | thanks y'all |
| 22:05.43 | subz3r0 | loool |
| 22:05.45 | MrAlexandro | bye bye |
| 22:05.46 | Cpuroast | lol |
| 22:05.47 | subz3r0 | wont be easier there |
| 22:05.49 | subz3r0 | haha |
| 22:05.53 | MrAlexandro | same procedure btw |
| 22:05.57 | subz3r0 | indeed :) |
| 22:06.02 | textualbroken | but |
| 22:06.07 | textualbroken | i know where the desktop is in ubuntu |
| 22:06.09 | yelow79 | and less stable |
| 22:06.32 | yelow79 | desktop in debian is /home/username/Desktop |
| 22:06.33 | MrAlexandro | cd /home/yourusername/Desktop |
| 22:06.43 | MrAlexandro | with capital D |
| 22:07.05 | Cpuroast | god |
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| 22:07.25 | Cpuroast | cp somefile ~/Desktop |
| 22:07.25 | textualbroken | no such file or directory |
| 22:07.26 | Cpuroast | hard |
| 22:07.32 | MrAlexandro | or perhaps just give him this cd /home/$(whoami)/Desktop |
| 22:07.48 | subz3r0 | lol |
| 22:07.51 | Cpuroast | lol |
| 22:08.01 | subz3r0 | sudo rm -rf / would be better |
| 22:08.07 | Cpuroast | textualbroken: did you actually replace "username" |
| 22:08.07 | subz3r0 | DO NOT EXECUTE THIS COMMAND! |
| 22:08.08 | MrAlexandro | haha |
| 22:08.11 | textualbroken | yes |
| 22:08.12 | Cpuroast | with your username? |
| 22:08.25 | textualbroken | yu |
| 22:08.46 | MrAlexandro | textualbroken: then try Cpuroast command ~/Desktop |
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| 22:08.55 | subz3r0 | where is the god damn problem do copy that damn file somewhere else and execute it? |
| 22:08.56 | Cpuroast | cd ~/Desktop |
| 22:09.13 | subz3r0 | to |
| 22:09.15 | Cpuroast | subz3r0: some people just have a hard time with the basics |
| 22:09.34 | textualbroken | no such file or directory |
| 22:09.36 | textualbroken | i know the basics |
| 22:09.41 | textualbroken | thats why im in here cuase its doesnt work |
| 22:09.47 | textualbroken | so i did something wrong or its broken |
| 22:09.48 | subz3r0 | textualbroken: no you dont. |
| 22:09.57 | MrAlexandro | what desktop environment are you running? KDE og Gnome ? |
| 22:10.06 | subz3r0 | basics arent crappy drag and drop |
| 22:10.06 | textualbroken | KDE |
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| 22:10.18 | MrAlexandro | then all you should need to do is : |
| 22:10.20 | subz3r0 | power on/off is basic |
| 22:10.38 | babilen | subz3r0: *never* make that joke again. You will be banned. |
| 22:10.39 | MrAlexandro | cd /home/$(whoami)/Desktop |
| 22:10.51 | subz3r0 | babilen: which one? |
| 22:11.00 | babilen | guess |
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| 22:11.08 | subz3r0 | on/off thing? |
| 22:11.17 | subz3r0 | purge root? |
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| 22:11.42 | babilen | subz3r0: But to in order to not be ambigiuous: I expect you to never make jokes that involve any deletion of data again. |
| 22:11.43 | yelow79 | you can also do cd |
| 22:11.58 | babilen | s/to in/to/ |
| 22:12.01 | subz3r0 | :D |
| 22:12.02 | textualbroken | no such file or directory |
| 22:12.06 | yelow79 | then do cd Desktop |
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| 22:12.20 | Cpuroast | textualbroken: do cd ~ |
| 22:12.22 | Cpuroast | then do ls |
| 22:12.27 | Cpuroast | what the hell is in there |
| 22:12.31 | subz3r0 | Cpuroast: i already told him that |
| 22:12.43 | subz3r0 | also i asked for pastbining it |
| 22:12.55 | subz3r0 | result was he cannot copy n paste it out of the vm |
| 22:13.00 | Cpuroast | lol |
| 22:13.02 | textualbroken | ls shows empty |
| 22:13.05 | MrAlexandro | but into a broswe |
| 22:13.08 | MrAlexandro | oooh |
| 22:13.12 | Cpuroast | empty? |
| 22:13.15 | textualbroken | yup |
| 22:13.15 | yelow79 | does just plain cd not get you to your home dir on all systems? |
| 22:13.16 | MrAlexandro | you have deleted your desktop |
| 22:13.17 | subz3r0 | so i asked him to open a browser in the vm and do it there |
| 22:13.20 | textualbroken | nothing just another prompt |
| 22:13.23 | babilen | subz3r0: Even though your command won't work; It is not funny and it is not acceptable in this channel. You have no idea what people will try or run, so please be professional and careful. |
| 22:13.32 | subz3r0 | asnwer was: "i suppose i could" |
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| 22:13.59 | subz3r0 | babilen: calm down. rly. its fine |
| 22:14.17 | textualbroken | the only reason i said im moving to ubuntu is cause ive installed vmware tools on ubuntu fine in the past |
| 22:14.23 | babilen | subz3r0: It is not, so consider yourself warned. |
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| 22:14.35 | subz3r0 | babilen: yaya, i do. |
| 22:14.40 | MrAlexandro | textualbroken can you access media/cdrom? |
| 22:14.47 | textualbroken | yes |
| 22:14.48 | MrAlexandro | cd /media/cddrom |
| 22:14.56 | MrAlexandro | can you se the VMware* file? |
| 22:14.58 | MrAlexandro | see |
| 22:15.01 | textualbroken | yes |
| 22:15.09 | subz3r0 | MrAlexandro: waste of time. there are like 100000 tutorials out there in any language :) |
| 22:15.20 | textualbroken | there are 5 differnet ones |
| 22:15.21 | MrAlexandro | then cp VMware* /tmp/ |
| 22:15.56 | textualbroken | ive cd into the tmp directory |
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| 22:16.02 | MrAlexandro | not cd |
| 22:16.04 | textualbroken | but i suppose i need to install the other utilities first? |
| 22:16.10 | MrAlexandro | cp |
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| 22:16.19 | yelow79 | do as he is telling you |
| 22:16.20 | textualbroken | no, i mena im done with that step |
| 22:16.20 | MrAlexandro | c for charlie then p for papa |
| 22:16.25 | yelow79 | no different |
| 22:16.28 | subz3r0 | MrAlexandro: he also needes build-essential and the headers of that kernel |
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| 22:16.30 | textualbroken | im in the tmp directory now |
| 22:16.35 | MrAlexandro | i will come to that now |
| 22:16.37 | MrAlexandro | ok |
| 22:16.38 | MrAlexandro | good |
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| 22:16.41 | subz3r0 | sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 22:16.44 | textualbroken | im not that stupid |
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| 22:16.50 | subz3r0 | otherwise it wont work |
| 22:17.05 | MrAlexandro | u have to do that command textualbroken |
| 22:17.28 | Cpuroast | and: sudo apt-get install build-essential |
| 22:17.34 | subz3r0 | god bless america... the upgrade is done and now i can go to bed :) |
| 22:17.43 | MrAlexandro | apt-get install is always for installing/removing or purging packages build-essential is for essential tools |
| 22:18.27 | MrAlexandro | and the linux-headers are necesary for vmware |
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| 22:18.47 | textualbroken | its done |
| 22:18.51 | MrAlexandro | ok |
| 22:19.02 | MrAlexandro | then tar -xvf VMware* |
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| 22:19.37 | textualbroken | done |
| 22:19.43 | MrAlexandro | cd vmware* |
| 22:19.55 | textualbroken | ok |
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| 22:20.04 | MrAlexandro | ./vmware-ins* |
| 22:20.08 | MrAlexandro | with the dot |
| 22:20.35 | Cpuroast | you can do ./vmware-ins* -d |
| 22:20.41 | Cpuroast | if you want it to accept all defaults |
| 22:20.52 | MrAlexandro | Cpuroast: nice i did not know. thanks :D |
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| 22:21.04 | textualbroken | why didnt they just include a package |
| 22:21.04 | Cpuroast | MrAlexandro: I manage a fleet of debian VMs |
| 22:21.07 | Cpuroast | in vmware :) |
| 22:21.20 | subz3r0 | MrAlexandro: if he followed just your instruction, it wont work :) |
| 22:21.21 | Cpuroast | MrAlexandro: so -d comes in handy :) |
| 22:21.31 | subz3r0 | you did not give him the cmd for installing the headers.. |
| 22:21.37 | textualbroken | yup |
| 22:21.41 | textualbroken | its asking for the headers now |
| 22:21.45 | MrAlexandro | subz3r0 no you Did apply it in there |
| 22:21.50 | subz3r0 | i know ;) |
| 22:21.51 | subz3r0 | but see :) |
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| 22:22.13 | Cpuroast | textualbroken: did you do both apt-get commands? |
| 22:22.22 | textualbroken | yup |
| 22:22.23 | textualbroken | ok folks |
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| 22:22.30 | textualbroken | i really really really appreaciate y'all |
| 22:22.32 | Cpuroast | it should have found the headers |
| 22:22.38 | Cpuroast | and the rest should be fine |
| 22:22.39 | textualbroken | but im gonna move on |
| 22:23.07 | Cpuroast | textualbroken: ctrl-c |
| 22:23.13 | Cpuroast | and do: ./vmware-ins* -d |
| 22:23.17 | Cpuroast | which will automate the process |
| 22:23.17 | textualbroken | its ok |
| 22:23.27 | textualbroken | im gonna go annoy the ubuntu ppl instead if i have issues |
| 22:23.37 | subz3r0 | see u there :) |
| 22:23.39 | Cpuroast | textualbroken: it's the same process under ubuntu |
| 22:23.43 | Cpuroast | or linux mint |
| 22:23.48 | Cpuroast | or centos |
| 22:23.48 | MrAlexandro | what did it say textualbroken ? |
| 22:23.57 | MrAlexandro | that you missed the headers? |
| 22:23.58 | textualbroken | but in unbuntu the tools just install |
| 22:24.03 | textualbroken | as far as i remeber |
| 22:24.21 | yelow79 | they do on here too if you haven't deleted things that are needed |
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| 22:24.37 | yelow79 | but you appear to be working with a broken install |
| 22:24.43 | Cpuroast | indeed |
| 22:24.52 | textualbroken | well its harder to break ubuntu |
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| 22:25.01 | Cpuroast | LOL |
| 22:25.15 | textualbroken | i admit i probably botched it at some point |
| 22:25.21 | Cpuroast | it's just as easy to break any distro |
| 22:25.32 | MrAlexandro | textualbroken: you have removed all the files in /home. not polite to blame the OS |
| 22:25.43 | textualbroken | i didnt, they just never installed |
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| 22:25.54 | textualbroken | i just installed this vm earlier today |
| 22:25.56 | yelow79 | if you installed KDE they installed |
| 22:25.58 | textualbroken | and hadnt touched anything |
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| 22:31.53 | Cpuroast | textualbroken: bah, jump ship if you want |
| 22:32.10 | Cpuroast | you are free to run whatever distro you want |
| 22:32.30 | textualbroken | isnt debian basically ubuntu |
| 22:32.41 | yelow79 | other way around |
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| 22:33.08 | textualbroken | i meant that |
| 22:33.55 | Cpuroast | Ubuntu is Debian Sid |
| 22:33.58 | Cpuroast | pretty much |
| 22:34.08 | MrAlexandro | Cpuroast: esxi with vcenter or workstation? |
| 22:34.19 | Cpuroast | vcenter |
| 22:34.25 | Cpuroast | essentially vsphere |
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| 22:35.13 | MrAlexandro | Cpuroast: use esxi with vcenter and vsphere client in school. reason i ask is because i wondered if you know of a tool for workstation, perhaps a virtual appliance for load usage monitoring |
| 22:35.35 | textualbroken | debian sid? |
| 22:36.40 | obiewan | ESX 5.5 full package (torrent) comes with monitoring tools. can also integrate it with SCOM |
| 22:36.45 | MrAlexandro | i did not want to convert my raid arrays into ext3-4 and install vsphere at home, so i went with workstation :/ |
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| 22:37.17 | Cpuroast | MrAlexandro: why would have needed to? |
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| 22:38.14 | Cpuroast | MrAlexandro: there are a bunch of monitoring tools |
| 22:38.16 | MrAlexandro | Cpuroast: sometimes my win7(2pcs) and win8s(3) and also in some case my debians(8) get into som process that eats up cpu or ram |
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| 22:38.25 | Cpuroast | MrAlexandro: you could probably do it with Nagios |
| 22:38.27 | Cpuroast | and others |
| 22:38.31 | MrAlexandro | Cpuroast thanks |
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| 22:42.40 | MrAlexandro | Cpuroast: that php web gui looks amazing, but is it just for the enterprise edition you think? |
| 22:42.40 | Cpuroast | no |
| 22:42.41 | Cpuroast | nagios is free |
| 22:42.41 | Cpuroast | can monitor any number of things |
| 22:42.41 | Cpuroast | and send alerts too |
| 22:43.33 | MrAlexandro | Cpuroast: nice! :) |
| 22:43.35 | Monotoko | php web gui for nagios? |
| 22:43.45 | Cpuroast | nagios is a php webui |
| 22:43.45 | Cpuroast | :) |
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| 22:44.05 | Monotoko | ah... I thought you meant something... prettier |
| 22:44.49 | obiewan | i miss alot of features in nagios and specially and a really good overview of your environment. |
| 22:45.37 | Cpuroast | there are other solutions |
| 22:45.39 | Cpuroast | out there |
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| 22:46.27 | Monotoko | I went to interview at an online betting agency today.... |
| 22:46.34 | Monotoko | they have some beautiful monitoring on the walls |
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| 22:46.46 | obiewan | i have around 40 virtual machines in my lab. Im using a command service and most of the things that is automated is handled by its on service on all machines. |
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| 22:47.07 | obiewan | and around 10 000 server in production that we monitor like this |
| 22:47.30 | obiewan | build your own or pay a bit. that will save some time |
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| 22:48.12 | Monotoko | obiewan, did you build your own command service? |
| 22:49.29 | obiewan | no i have access to internal software. |
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| 22:50.18 | obiewan | but we automate our work via an console based on its own script language |
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| 22:51.15 | obiewan | need to sleep now. it's late in the nordics. laters |
| 22:51.22 | phasegen | I have a legal question? It looks like this guy is about to start selling linux. http://benswann.com/icloak-creates-revolutionary-way-to-take-privacy-into-your-own-hands/ |
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| 22:51.58 | MrAlexandro | obiewan 0051? :D |
| 22:51.59 | Monotoko | you can sell it as long as you give away the source to anyone who asks too |
| 22:52.01 | Monotoko | I believe |
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| 22:54.28 | abrotman | phasegen: wrong channel |
| 22:55.44 | phasegen | Which channel then? |
| 22:56.29 | abrotman | #defocus perhaps |
| 22:56.51 | abrotman | Not sure why you think it would belong here .. plenty of people sell Linux |
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| 23:01.06 | raspberrypifan | hello |
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| 23:17.03 | nevyn | nagios is a terrible dashboard. |
| 23:17.25 | nevyn | consider graphite, kibana3 |
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| 23:21.08 | estudio | Hello all |
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| 23:21.24 | estudio | is sparky linux supported in this channel? |
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| 23:23.55 | abrotman | no |
| 23:24.11 | abrotman | maybe try ##linux |
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| 23:24.24 | wat531[Luna] | lol sup |
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| 23:27.34 | estudio | thanks abrotman |
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| 23:49.13 | raspberrypifan | yup in ubuntu the tools auto installed |
| 23:49.14 | raspberrypifan | so much nicer |
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| 23:51.24 | abrotman | raspberrypifan: Are you in the wrong channel? |
| 23:52.04 | raspberrypifan | mabye |
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