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| 02:20.35 | asterismo | install ATI drivers with a custom kernel |
| 02:20.39 | asterismo | there is something missing |
| 02:21.06 | asterismo | or maybe incompatible with kernel 3.15 |
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| 03:14.47 | tohuw | I’m having difficulty getting LDAP authentication to work. I’ve installed libpam-ldapd, which in turn ran the appropriate NSS configurations and invoked pam-auth-update, but when I attempt to su to an LDAP user, I get the message there is no passwd entry for them. What am I missing? (The users exist in LDAP and work fine for other purposes) |
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| 03:16.45 | tohuw | I tried following https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM but there are a few vague references in there to configuring certain files “accordingly” without specifying what their modern equivalent are, such as /etc/pam_ldap.conf |
| 03:16.55 | tohuw | (Debian Jessie) |
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| 03:18.50 | some-cowbell | thing is, with ldap you would have to build a database (maybe a simple one) to store the logins, passwords, home dir locations, shells and etc |
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| 03:26.34 | tohuw | some-cowbell: What’s wrong with using a schema for that? |
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| 03:28.05 | tohuw | I already have inetorgpersons; one of the stock schemas has homedir and shell; account or user IIRC. I just want to see if I can get a proper answer back from PAM that the user exists; solving the information a linux user needs shouldn’t be too difficult |
| 03:30.40 | tohuw | Yeah, loginShell and homeDirectory, both part of inetorgperson |
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| 03:33.16 | lmat | I'm looking for git version 2... |
| 03:33.27 | lmat | http://serverfault.com/questions/567237/installing-git-from-debian-wheezy-backports-anyway-i-see-old-package-version |
| 03:33.41 | lmat | has two lines: apt-get install git/wheezy-backports |
| 03:33.49 | sithfm | hello there |
| 03:33.50 | sithfm | sudo aptitude search '~nphp~ncurl' |
| 03:33.53 | sithfm | i php5-curl |
| 03:34.04 | tohuw | oops, NIS, sorry, not inetorgperson |
| 03:34.11 | sithfm | is there any search syntax that is quicker than this for finding multiple substrings in a package name? |
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| 03:34.46 | lmat | sithfm: apt-cache search php | grep curl; ? |
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| 03:37.12 | lmat | hmm... following those instructions got me git 1.9.1... closer! |
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| 03:42.01 | lmat | When I do anything with apt-get, it says that I have tons of applications that aren't "needed". |
| 03:42.15 | lmat | Once I was a fool and ran sudo apt-get autoremove; It removed Gnome and everythnig else :( |
| 03:42.26 | lmat | I think the problem is that I got rid of the default browser (ice penguin or something?) |
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| 03:43.35 | lmat | Perhaps there's some way to mark some of these packages as desired ? |
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| 04:06.24 | tohuw | lmat: Ice Weasel, a freely branded fork of Firefox. Autoremove should only be finding packages that are not needed, as they are dependencies of other packages that have been removed. However, apt-get seems to still be fickle, especially in terms of metapackages. The general recommendation has been not to break the desktop metapackages, but rules were meant to be broken. As far as excluding packages from autoremove, I imagine it’d depend on the package; i |
| 04:06.25 | tohuw | gnome core packages are showing up there, something weird is happening. |
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| 04:07.07 | tohuw | lmat: man apt-mark may help you out. |
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| 04:21.30 | lmat | tohuw: apt-mark does sound helpful |
| 04:21.52 | lmat | so let's see... what should I mark? |
| 04:22.08 | lmat | http://sprunge.us/EKWa |
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| 04:22.32 | lmat | Is there some way to view these packages in a tree structure ? |
| 04:22.43 | lmat | Then I could pick the leafiest leaf in there, and "require" that one ? |
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| 04:27.07 | DanDare | Hi. Im setting up OpenVPN on my (wheezy) VPN. I compiled OpenVPN from latest source. When I start openvpn I got message "library versions: OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013". This means my VPS is vulnerable to Heartbleed stuff also other ones discovered after Feb 2013? |
| 04:27.55 | somiaj | debian wheezy backported all the security fixes, care to show me the output of apt-cache policy openssl at paste.debian.net |
| 04:28.12 | DanDare | alright |
| 04:28.29 | somiaj | also the output of 'apt-cache policy libssl1.0.0 |
| 04:29.00 | DanDare | roger |
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| 04:32.00 | DanDare | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/107909/ . I just have standard (stable) install and did apt-get update/upgrade. |
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| 04:34.00 | DanDare | Debian usually backport fixes for bugs found in most important packages (like openssl)? In reasonable time? |
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| 04:34.27 | DanDare | knowing a little bit of Debian I guess so... but I have no clue really |
| 04:35.49 | somiaj | as you can see you have the current version from security.debian.org |
| 04:35.59 | somiaj | that version has been patched against heartbleed and various other vulns since then |
| 04:36.11 | somiaj | you can check /usr/share/doc/openssl/ and read the change log to see the fixes have been applied |
| 04:36.29 | DanDare | I see somiaj. Thanks for clarifying it |
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| 04:37.32 | DanDare | I read there are some important (bug) ones after heartbleed already. openssl catches lot of attention recently |
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| 04:37.57 | somiaj | DanDare: you can check debian.org and look at the DSA history and see all that debian has fixed |
| 04:38.13 | somiaj | there is a nice link (forgot it though) that you can look up current debian packages and if they have CVE's fixed or not |
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| 04:40.04 | DanDare | It sounds cool, will look for that. I sincerely didnt knew about "backport", never used it.. I mean, I use it not knowing im doing it :p |
| 04:40.26 | DanDare | (apt does for me) |
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| 04:44.15 | blackjack | how di i close port 139 and 445 |
| 04:44.25 | blackjack | i wonder why it is open by default on debian |
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| 04:45.05 | loeken | blackjack, simple setup iptable rules |
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| 04:45.31 | loeken | csf/lfd + webmin is setup quickly :) |
| 04:45.46 | somiaj | blackjack: they are probably opened because of some software you installed, you can use netstat to determine which application is openeing a port |
| 04:45.59 | somiaj | you could use a firewall, though I woudl suggest you don't run applications you don't want listening on your machine |
| 04:46.44 | somiaj | but those look like the windows sharing ports, do you have samba installed and a samba server running, blocking those ports would prevent the windows machines fro seeing your shares. |
| 04:47.29 | blackjack | all i did is ssh tunnel |
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| 04:48.18 | blackjack | does ssh tunneling makes use of those port? (but those ports are not the one i picked) |
| 04:48.19 | somiaj | maybe one of the packages you installed pulled in the samba server, dpkg -l | grep samba |
| 04:48.35 | somiaj | as I said, use netstat to figure out what is listening on those ports |
| 04:48.45 | blackjack | i installed also openssl |
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| 04:49.16 | blackjack | it says tcp6 |
| 04:49.38 | somiaj | netstat -t -p | grep LISTEN |
| 04:50.49 | somiaj | actually might get better luck with -a (all) instead of -t (tcp), but anyways that should tell you what binary is listening on the prot |
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| 04:53.16 | blackjack | it says netbios-ns |
| 04:53.18 | blackjack | on udp |
| 04:53.34 | blackjack | but there is a listein on ipv6 as well |
| 04:53.41 | blackjack | netbios-ssn |
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| 04:57.47 | somiaj | I have told you mutiple times that they are the windows share ports, most likely samba. Check what I suggest, first check if you have samba installed and running, or actually check what binary is running on the port (not what the common service on that port is) |
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| 04:58.53 | blackjack | somiaj, can i paste you the logs on pm? Via paste bin? |
| 04:59.16 | somiaj | no don't want to see logs, I mearly want you to identify what is listening on the port so you can decide if you want to run that software or not |
| 04:59.17 | blackjack | by the way. in issuing the netstat and dpkg commands, should i be on root? |
| 04:59.42 | somiaj | I think you need root for the netstat as the user may not be able to determine actual program, but the dpkg runs as a normal user just fine |
| 04:59.49 | somiaj | netstat does too, but it may not give you all the info you need |
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| 05:01.46 | blackjack | netbios is all udb i see |
| 05:01.50 | blackjack | udp* |
| 05:02.12 | blackjack | on protocol |
| 05:02.19 | blackjack | i dont seem to see what service triggers it |
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| 05:02.30 | somiaj | did you include the -p flag (for program) |
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| 05:02.49 | somiaj | or just look if samba is installed and running. As I said multiple times that is most likely the reason |
| 05:02.52 | blackjack | i see netbios-ssn on listen |
| 05:02.56 | blackjack | and microsoft-ds |
| 05:03.08 | blackjack | i just wonder what triggered openign this. |
| 05:03.15 | somiaj | I know, but that is only the port numbers. Figure out the application. |
| 05:03.27 | blackjack | ok wait |
| 05:04.16 | blackjack | smbd |
| 05:04.17 | edjix | somiaj: you're a good teacher, teach the subject, not the answer, :) |
| 05:04.22 | blackjack | smbd it. is |
| 05:04.46 | somiaj | that is samba |
| 05:04.49 | edjix | blackjack: that'd be windows file sharing, like samba |
| 05:04.55 | somiaj | if you don't want samba running eitehr uninstall or disable it. |
| 05:04.56 | blackjack | maybe it was triggered when i do apt-get install build-essential ? |
| 05:05.04 | edjix | probably have port 501 open too, |
| 05:05.12 | blackjack | this are the commands i type --> apt-get update |
| 05:05.14 | somiaj | no, samba is not a dependency of build-essential |
| 05:05.15 | blackjack | upgrade |
| 05:05.17 | somiaj | aptitude why samba |
| 05:05.20 | blackjack | and dist-upgrade |
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| 05:05.26 | Kristina21 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.55 | blackjack | somiaj, how about libc something |
| 05:06.09 | somiaj | no samba does not depend on libc6 |
| 05:06.14 | blackjack | somiaj: someone made me install something, that says its also openssl-dev |
| 05:06.14 | edjix | blackjack: i think most distro's ship with the ability to do windows file sharing, especially if you hit certain options during the install |
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| 05:06.38 | blackjack | but i dont have the 'openssl-dev' so theres an alternative file which is libpc something |
| 05:06.41 | blackjack | that i installed |
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| 05:07.30 | somiaj | the packages you are listing will not install samba, do you have a desktop enviorment installed on that machine? |
| 05:07.43 | blackjack | edjix maybe it is triggered when i ssh -D , or ssh tunnel? |
| 05:07.44 | blackjack | hmmm |
| 05:07.55 | blackjack | no. none |
| 05:08.00 | somiaj | no tunneling with ssh will not triger your machine to install a package |
| 05:08.06 | somiaj | did you run the command 'aptitude why samba' |
| 05:08.10 | blackjack | i just installed fail2ban , irssi, znc |
| 05:08.11 | blackjack | thats all |
| 05:08.12 | edjix | blackjack: do your homework, you, or whoever installed it, clicked something to install file sharing tools, including samba, |
| 05:08.22 | blackjack | and also the openssl part so that i can connect my znc via ssl |
| 05:08.34 | edjix | it's no big deal, apt-get remove samba, or edit the smbd config to disable it, |
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| 05:08.55 | somiaj | again pcik your battles, everyting you have mentioned since you confiremd you had samba installed and running has nothing to do with installing samba on your machine |
| 05:09.03 | blackjack | edjix: how are you sure if i remove samba, nothing would go wrong. hmmm |
| 05:09.07 | somiaj | you can also check the logs for apt and dpkg to se what and when it was installed |
| 05:09.22 | somiaj | the worst thing that would go wrong is you would have to reinstall it |
| 05:09.23 | blackjack | how somiaj.. |
| 05:09.40 | somiaj | again we have no clue why samba was installed by someone with root access on your machine or if other window users on your network are depending on it |
| 05:09.41 | blackjack | how to view the history |
| 05:09.58 | blackjack | no, im only the person on my machine |
| 05:10.00 | somiaj | you need to know this, if no one on your network is using windows file sharing with your machine, you can safely remove samba |
| 05:10.14 | somiaj | look in /var/log |
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| 05:10.36 | somiaj | there is /var/log/apt/ (a full directory of log files) and /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 05:10.56 | somiaj | you can prase those logs for samba and determine the date it was insatlled. or did you run 'aptitude why samba' on your machine yet? |
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| 05:11.16 | blackjack | no never |
| 05:11.18 | blackjack | hmmm |
| 05:11.29 | blackjack | or maybe it was really installed by dfeault? |
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| 05:11.33 | blackjack | coz this is only a vps |
| 05:11.38 | blackjack | i mean. openvm |
| 05:11.48 | edjix | blackjack: a simple command that somiaj is suggesting will tell you WHY samba is on there, run it, will you? |
| 05:11.59 | blackjack | ok wait |
| 05:12.39 | somiaj | I have only said that command 3 times, and 'installed by default' is vague, during the install you have the option to select different boxes of packages to install. some of them do install samba some don't, but this was not a default but a choice you made during the install. |
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| 05:13.41 | blackjack | i have no aptitude command somiaj |
| 05:13.46 | blackjack | command not found |
| 05:13.56 | blackjack | i only do apt-get |
| 05:14.20 | cafuego | weak. I only to curl and dpkg. |
| 05:14.27 | somiaj | aptitude is a Priority: important package, it should be installed on your system. If it is not you have done something very strange. |
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| 05:14.56 | blackjack | somiaj i only use apt-get to update and upgrade |
| 05:14.57 | somiaj | just beacuse you prefer to use apt-get does not mean that aptitude is not installed. It should be there, if it is not, you should install the standard task |
| 05:15.13 | jmcnaught | my guess is it's a "custom minimal" openvz template |
| 05:15.21 | DanDare | aptitude cames with the "minimal" install |
| 05:15.22 | blackjack | yes it is |
| 05:15.23 | blackjack | i think |
| 05:15.24 | somiaj | I don't care that you only use apt-get, aptitude is a core package that has some functionality that apt-get doesn't have. running 'aptitude why samba' should work on your machine if you are running debian. |
| 05:15.43 | somiaj | so why don't you just run the command 'aptitude why samba' |
| 05:15.48 | blackjack | jmcnaught is kinda correct, coz this is only a 10GB quota machine |
| 05:15.55 | edjix | ...or debian based, ubuntu and crunchbag have it in there, |
| 05:16.33 | blackjack | ok let me install aptitude first somiaj |
| 05:16.39 | jmcnaught | blackjack: your VPS provider has modified Debian to the point that it's no longer standard. For all we know, they put samba in their "template" |
| 05:16.41 | blackjack | apt-get install aptitude ? |
| 05:17.03 | blackjack | ok i might need to ask them |
| 05:17.10 | somiaj | if you don't have aptitude installed then I don't know what to think. It would take someone basically removeing it to not have it on your system. |
| 05:17.22 | blackjack | thanks for the that point of view jmcnaught |
| 05:17.24 | tohuw | edjix: Ubuntu dropped aptitude from their default packages I believe. But yes, I agree: blackjack ought to install aptitude. blackjack, who’s your provider? |
| 05:17.59 | blackjack | this is iniz |
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| 05:18.06 | blackjack | .com |
| 05:18.09 | edjix | tohuw: haven't run ubuntu for awhile, sorry if i stated incorrectly, |
| 05:18.31 | blackjack | but on my solus vm panel it says debian 7 |
| 05:18.33 | blackjack | :/ |
| 05:19.16 | tohuw | blackjack: out of curiosity, can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 05:19.26 | somiaj | tohuw: he has debian on his machine, that really isn't an issue |
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| 05:19.51 | somiaj | the issue is what the person who installed debian on the vps did and why aptitude is not there. |
| 05:19.58 | somiaj | !standard |
| 05:19.58 | dpkg | standard task is, like, a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 05:20.13 | tohuw | somiaj: I’m just curious why it isn’t there. Some providers do very strange things to their VPS templates |
| 05:20.29 | somiaj | blackjack: ^^ run that command, make sure you have all standard and above packages installed (there are a few things you may not need in there, but not worth worrying about to ensure you have a complete base system) |
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| 05:20.57 | blackjack | ok |
| 05:21.11 | somiaj | you can take the ~pstandard off that list, but make sure you have all required and important packages installed |
| 05:21.14 | blackjack | which to run somiaj? the one pointed out by tohuw? /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 05:21.32 | blackjack | Debian 7 32Bit |
| 05:21.33 | edjix | aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant <---that, blackjack |
| 05:21.37 | somiaj | blackjack: oh wait that command won't work as you don't have aptitude installed...grr |
| 05:21.57 | somiaj | just install aptitude, I don't think we really care why it is not there. Just install it and be done with it |
| 05:21.59 | edjix | aptitude install ~prequired ~pimportant <---run that blackjack, that's the one somiaj wants run, |
| 05:22.14 | somiaj | edjix: well given he doens't have aptitude, that won't work to well |
| 05:22.14 | blackjack | Ok ok |
| 05:22.16 | tohuw | blackjack: apt-get install aptitude, then the command edjix just provided |
| 05:22.43 | edjix | thought he was installing it...you told him to a few lines ago.... |
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| 05:23.22 | somiaj | edjix: he is very slow about actually doing what we suggest. |
| 05:23.42 | edjix | *sigh* |
| 05:25.02 | edjix | should be a sign.... "Frustration Wall" with a bullseye, saying "Bang Head Here Until Frustration Ceases" |
| 05:25.16 | blackjack | im afraid to do it immediately as i might break something. so im actually reading stuffs before insuring things would actually work and not break |
| 05:25.49 | blackjack | coz it seems im installing many stuffs, i was just curious why SAMBA is running thats all |
| 05:25.58 | blackjack | coz i nmap my own vps |
| 05:26.15 | blackjack | and found out not not only my ssh port and http ports are open. but also that of samba |
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| 05:26.38 | blackjack | besides the znc open ports. and ssh tunnel |
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| 05:28.30 | blackjack | ok. installing.. |
| 05:29.40 | blackjack | can i paste here the results of aptitude why samba ? |
| 05:29.55 | somiaj | paste it at pate.debian.net if it is multiple lines |
| 05:30.04 | somiaj | but it should tell you exactally the name of the package that installed samba |
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| 05:32.30 | tohuw | People have their own pace. If he wants to read and take the time to understand what he’s doing, no harm in that… no one HAS to hang out with him the whole time. He’ll learn more going slowly and trying to grasp what’s happening than parroting. |
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| 05:33.54 | jmcnaught | in fact it's better to read up on what commands do than to blindly enter the magic spells that people give you on IRC without understanding them |
| 05:34.22 | blackjack | debian paste server seems slow |
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| 05:34.29 | edjix | i agree, but aptitude??? |
| 05:34.30 | blackjack | i chose a diffrent one |
| 05:34.31 | blackjack | http://pastie.org/private/7pbp6ukrvyokmxrhwrgr9g |
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| 05:34.47 | blackjack | thats the result of "aptitude why samba" |
| 05:34.50 | blackjack | in my machine |
| 05:35.57 | blackjack | so what does this tell? Why is my samba running? hmmm |
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| 05:36.07 | somiaj | blackjack: there is no big things saying why it samba was installed |
| 05:36.58 | somiaj | blackjack: oh it is running because someone installed it on your machine. Now you know it isn't because some package pulled it in as a depends (seems no packages depend on samba and ones you don't have installed) |
| 05:37.18 | somiaj | so the options are either someone with root access installed it, or your vps provides it by default |
| 05:37.22 | blackjack | maybe the openssl package |
| 05:37.36 | blackjack | ok |
| 05:37.40 | somiaj | don't just make random guesses, openssl does not depend on samba in any way. It would not install it |
| 05:38.19 | somiaj | read the output that you pasted and try to understand it. i = install, p = purged (or never isntalled), none of the installed packages on your system depened explicity on samba so it was most likely installed by your vps as a default. |
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| 05:45.11 | blackjack | somiaj, i found out something. though i know its a bad thing i did |
| 05:45.29 | blackjack | i nmap the next ip to my vps which is not mine, (and i guess its also of an default install) |
| 05:45.40 | blackjack | and guess what, it has all same open ports as i have |
| 05:46.00 | blackjack | which tells me, maybe they really installed samba by default on the vpses... |
| 05:46.39 | blackjack | so i really just need to disable it |
| 05:47.06 | somiaj | then contact your vps if you have a question for them on their policies. But if you don't want it, yes you can either disable 'update-rc.d samba disable' or uninstall it |
| 05:47.19 | somiaj | if you disable, you will still have to stop it, '/etc/init.d/samba stop' |
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| 05:48.57 | blackjack | thanks |
| 05:49.23 | blackjack | ill do that later after i counsult my vps |
| 05:49.26 | blackjack | consult* |
| 05:49.28 | blackjack | thanks somiaj :) brb |
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| 07:07.55 | TheCodeAssassin | hi all |
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| 07:09.35 | TheCodeAssassin | does anybody know what the policy is on multiple maintainers of a package? Can i just add another Maintainer section in the rules file ? |
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| 07:52.44 | colo-work | on my laptop running wheezy, I got several messages like these in the kernel debug ringbuffer: |
| 07:52.44 | colo-work | [3799513.750795] audit: type=1302 audit(1404289943.539:11): item=0 name="/tmp/53a164f414f5b" inode=657246 dev=fd:00 mode=0120777 ouid=1000 ogid=1000 rdev=00:00 nametype=NORMAL |
| 07:52.44 | colo-work | now, I don't have anything from the audit subsystem (conciously) enabled; can you explain where that's (all of a sudden, I've never seen this before) coming from? |
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| 08:14.21 | ThKo | Hi, has anyone a system: Server with Debian 7.5 , node.js , eclipse , android sdk , android ndk and Cordova? :-) |
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| 08:28.54 | sommarnatt | Are there any mirrors for 7.4? Or do I have to use an iso? |
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| 08:30.05 | HeisSpiter | Hey, is there anyone here from Debian Security Team? |
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| 08:31.42 | jelly | HeisSpiter: #debian-security on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net), or better, mail them: https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contact |
| 08:32.20 | HeisSpiter | Already mailed. But no feedback. I wanted to make sure they properly received it |
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| 08:32.41 | HeisSpiter | (was several days ago) |
| 08:32.55 | jelly | ask there, then |
| 08:33.12 | HeisSpiter | there == #debian-security? |
| 08:33.23 | jelly | HeisSpiter: yes. note it's a different irc network |
| 08:33.55 | HeisSpiter | Ok! Thanks jelly! |
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| 08:52.56 | untitaker | Does anybody know of an easy way to install reportbug on a different non-Debian-based distro? I want to file a bug against a specific package, but don't dare to format the mail by hand. |
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| 09:00.14 | Asiajey | untitaker: check the manual for your repo and find "bug reporting" article in it :) |
| 09:00.14 | peetaur2 | untitaker: you should likely ask in that distro's channel |
| 09:00.26 | peetaur2 | s/repo/distro/ ? |
| 09:00.32 | Asiajey | untitaker: *distro :) |
| 09:00.33 | untitaker | no, absolutely not |
| 09:00.41 | untitaker | i specifically want to report a bug on a debian package |
| 09:00.59 | Asiajey | untitaker: reportbug it is like dh_* programs - debian specific |
| 09:01.17 | untitaker | i don't want to setup a debian VM just to report a bug |
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| 09:01.35 | peetaur2 | so you found a bug in a debian package installed on a non-debian distro? |
| 09:02.12 | Asiajey | untitaker: how you will use reportbug (it collects intalled version, etc) on other distro ? run it on debian instance and save to file, then mail from your mail program |
| 09:02.18 | untitaker | no, one user of my software was complaining that the imports fail, and the reason is because of heavily patched deps |
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| 09:02.36 | jelly | judd: depends python-reportbug |
| 09:02.37 | judd | Package python-reportbug in wheezy/i386 -- depends: python (>= 2.6), python-support (>= 0.90.0), apt, python-debian, python-debianbts. |
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| 09:02.50 | untitaker | so...? |
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| 09:03.09 | themill | untitaker: which package is this btw? |
| 09:03.12 | jelly | untitaker: probably "not easily", and "debootstrap a debian chroot" |
| 09:03.26 | untitaker | https://github.com/untitaker/vdirsyncer/issues/82 |
| 09:04.11 | Asiajey | untitaker: install virtual environment, repeat your problem, run reportbug and be happy, if you can't repeat the problem, it is useless bugreport |
| 09:04.19 | untitaker | my own software was installed via pip, and it breaks because it uses the Debian version of python-requests, which moves subpackages around |
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| 09:04.38 | themill | and python-requests upstream is on bonghits ;( |
| 09:04.54 | untitaker | Asiajey: This is not a bug that has to be reproduced, it is very clear where the issue lies (it is a conceptual one) |
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| 09:05.29 | jelly | themill: do they just gratuitously ship a duplicate urllib in their namespace, or is there method to madness? |
| 09:05.38 | Asiajey | untitaker: but you are sure that your software searches for files in proper way ? |
| 09:05.46 | themill | jelly: they embed a copy of it because |
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| 09:05.51 | jelly | reasons. |
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| 09:06.08 | untitaker | Asiajey: yes, it is the Debian package's fault that the module is not there where it is supposed to be. |
| 09:06.13 | Asiajey | untitaker: it should be reported using debian environment anyway, |
| 09:06.16 | untitaker | (sorry for the aggressive tone) |
| 09:06.21 | untitaker | Asiajey: why |
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| 09:08.05 | untitaker | currently trying to use Debian's patch tracker at http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/requests/2.3.0-1 -- is this host available for anybody? |
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| 09:08.53 | jelly | patch-tracker's been down for a couple weeks now |
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| 09:10.32 | threenuc | Hey, my system freezes from time to time (unresponsive mouse etc, can only restart). I'm using Debian wheezy on kernel 3.2.57-3+deb7u2. What do? |
| 09:10.56 | SynrGy | how much ram? |
| 09:11.10 | threenuc | 4gb |
| 09:11.10 | themill | untitaker: the debian patch doesn't actually change the python namespace of requests btw |
| 09:11.37 | SynrGy | threenuc: what do you have running when it freezes? any discernable pattern? |
| 09:11.46 | untitaker | themill: i think it changes requests.packages.urllib3 to urllib3, without providing a stub |
| 09:12.06 | untitaker | (which is why i wanted to use the patch-tracker to make sure) |
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| 09:12.12 | peetaur2 | threenuc: I would check logs for kernel OOPS/BUG (and expect to find nouveau crashing in there maybe ;) if you have an nvidia GPU) |
| 09:12.17 | untitaker | all i have is the error report of the user |
| 09:12.38 | themill | untitaker: which is why reproducing it is necessary before filing it... |
| 09:12.45 | threenuc | SynrGy: All the freezes were when I was using Iceweasel but I don't use Debian all that often so it might crash all the time. When you asked about ram I remembered I can't hibernate because my swap is too small, maybe it's that? |
| 09:13.06 | SynrGy | probably not |
| 09:13.07 | themill | untitaker: http://paste.debian.net/107933/ |
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| 09:13.34 | untitaker | themill: thanks for that link, that validates my assumptions |
| 09:13.35 | SynrGy | threenuc: when using iceweasel, how many tabs/windows at once? is one of those windows facebook? |
| 09:13.43 | MartyH | hi, I wanted to switch to systemd on a test system which I don't want to run a desktop environment on. I installed "systemd" and "systemd-sysv". The machine boots fine, but launches a display manager now on boot. I suppose it's a question of tweaking which systemd jobs to run on boot, but which one(s) do I have to stop? |
| 09:13.46 | themill | untitaker: how so? |
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| 09:13.53 | SynrGy | heavy javacript and/or flash sites? |
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| 09:14.09 | threenuc | SynrGy, one or two. None of the facebook |
| 09:14.15 | threenuc | nope |
| 09:14.19 | untitaker | themill: requests.packages.urllib3 is gone in debian and other packages installed via pip which depend on exactly this break down |
| 09:14.26 | Asiajey | untitaker: how you would fllowup the bug ? |
| 09:14.46 | MartyH | (this is a test system, so the nuclear option is definitely an option if I messed something up) |
| 09:14.54 | untitaker | Asiajey: i assume i'll get mails about it? |
| 09:15.02 | untitaker | currently formatting by hand |
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| 09:15.46 | A_I_ | hi there |
| 09:15.47 | themill | untitaker: I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to import requests.packages.urllib3, you're supposed to use the bits requests imports into its own namespace (or if you need other bits, use urllib directly) |
| 09:15.48 | untitaker | i know it is a bit arrogant not to try to reproduce this, but i can assure you all i am very sure about this |
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| 09:16.06 | SynrGy | threenuc: on FB in particular (but other sites could have the same issue): http://syn.theti.ca/2014/02/28/invisible-css-animations-on-iceweasel-consuming-cpu/ |
| 09:16.29 | A_I_ | what is the risk to run "apt-get -o 'APT::Immediate-Configure=no" dist-upgrade' ? |
| 09:16.31 | themill | untitaker: requests.packages.urllib3 is an implementation detail you shouldn't be relying on |
| 09:16.50 | untitaker | themill: http://www.python-requests.org/en/latest/user/advanced/?highlight=poolmanager#example-specific-ssl-version |
| 09:17.03 | untitaker | even the requests docs show it |
| 09:17.14 | SynrGy | threenuc: watch top until the issue recurs. see if there are any high CPU processes at the time the system goes unresponsive |
| 09:17.19 | untitaker | (although the idea would be sound) |
| 09:17.29 | Asiajey | untitaker: when they fixed, and ask you to check if you happy ? |
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| 09:17.41 | untitaker | Asiajey: what? |
| 09:17.55 | SynrGy | threenuc: *how* unresponsive. no response at all from keyboard/mouse, or just too slow to accomplish anything? |
| 09:17.56 | Asiajey | or if they do "wantfix" and provide you with workaround |
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| 09:18.08 | threenuc | SynrGy: Okay, thanks. I think I'll just switch to regular firefox then. No response from anything. The only thing I can do is restart |
| 09:18.38 | SynrGy | threenuc: uh, not sure how "switch to regular firefox" is a solution ... |
| 09:18.41 | themill | untitaker: eww... and now I am back to "requests upstream are on bonghits" |
| 09:18.45 | SynrGy | did you read the article, and the one linked? |
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| 09:18.58 | untitaker | Asiajey: It sounds idiotic to me to put workarounds for packaging issues into my code. If you read the issue posted by me above, it's not even my code affected by it -- the breakage is coming from a supplementary package maintained by one of the core devs of requests. |
| 09:19.02 | threenuc | SynrGy: because it's only iceweasel which has that problem, right? |
| 09:19.26 | SynrGy | threenuc: did i say that in my article? |
| 09:20.20 | threenuc | SynrGy, no, it said that it's only on iceweasel |
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| 09:20.48 | themill | untitaker: please do report this, but be clear that the problem is not that the embedded copy of urllib is patched out but that the patch isn't complete |
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| 09:20.57 | SynrGy | threenuc: at no point did i ever say "it's only on iceweasel" |
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| 09:21.26 | untitaker | themill: Oh, that was the misunderstanding. To clarify, i *do* see why you guys patch that out. |
| 09:21.31 | threenuc | SynrGy, yes but you found the problem on iceweasel. I'm going to try anyway. |
| 09:21.35 | SynrGy | threenuc: and bernat (see link in my article) |
| 09:21.45 | SynrGy | threenuc: ... explicitly said it is equally applicable in firefox |
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| 09:22.08 | xinming | Hi, Just curious, for the question about apt-get vs aptitude, I read the debate about these 2 long ago, and before that, aptitude is recommend, But now, with the debootstrap installation of debian, I saw aptitude is not installed by default. Does that mean, aptitude and apt-get is finally "merged" and they are almost identical now? |
| 09:22.13 | SynrGy | ,v iceweasel |
| 09:22.14 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 24.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 30.0-2; sid: 30.0-2; experimental: 31.0~b3-1 |
| 09:22.26 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys. I'm experiencing a dim panel after dist-upgrading to jessie. if I boot the previous kernel, it looks fine, but with 3.14, the laptop panel is dim. the brightness keys don't work either. running a Dell Latitude D630 with intel video |
| 09:22.44 | vampi-the-frog | the previous kernel was 3.2 I think |
| 09:22.49 | Walex | vampi-the-frog: #Debian-next on IRC.Debian.net |
| 09:22.54 | vampi-the-frog | ok ty |
| 09:23.09 | Walex | vampi-the-frog: but note that these things are "random" |
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| 09:23.24 | SynrGy | threenuc: anyway, *if* that is causing you issues, it may be that 30 or 31 fixes it, but neither are available for wheezy. |
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| 09:23.35 | SynrGy | i didn't retest on either of those versions |
| 09:23.41 | vampi-the-frog | hm I'm getting unknown host irc.debian.net |
| 09:23.58 | vampi-the-frog | must be .org |
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| 09:24.20 | threenuc | SynrGy: oh right, sorry. You were right about facebook though. I visited it now and iceweasel started using 60% CPU (that's where I closed it, anyway), maybe other sites cause that too. Gonna use the fix, didn't notice it at first, sorry ;_; |
| 09:24.24 | SynrGy | threenuc: i stated specifically which versions i did, and you can read "iceweasel" as synonymous with "firefox" |
| 09:24.57 | SynrGy | yep. nice workaround given. no reason to try random things :) |
| 09:25.21 | martines | vampi-the-frog, #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
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| 09:26.07 | vampi-the-frog | thanks, figured it out |
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| 09:33.03 | untitaker | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=753578 Thanks all for your help! |
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| 09:43.38 | vpit3833 | my wi-fi is getting incorrect IP, BCast and DNS and is unable to connect to the Internet. Ethernet connection works fine. Wi-fi used to work until a couple of days ago. What could have happened? |
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| 09:46.36 | MartyH | well, I found the display manager job, and it's started from an init.d script. systemctl disable gives me "Failed to issue method call: No such file or directory" though. My best guess is that it's because it's a converted sysvinit script and a "virtual" systemd service? if so, how can I still disable the service to be started at boot? |
| 09:47.14 | ChrisH | vpit3833: your router/dhcp server got weird. Your client does not longer authenticate witrh the Wifi and therefore assigs one of these <forgot the name> IPs. Can you show us dmesg and ifconfig -a output AFTER a failed connect on paste.debian.net please |
| 09:48.14 | MartyH | vpit3833: if you don't have anything manually configured (that is, everything over DHCP), my best guess is that you placed a new router/access point with the same SSID, which you thought you weren't using, but is still broadcasting (this happens more than you'd think) |
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| 09:55.17 | teshiburu | Howdy guys - can someone help me with some permissions issues? |
| 09:55.59 | SynrGy | permission granted |
| 09:56.03 | ChrisH | !ask |
| 09:56.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 09:57.55 | teshiburu | I am using SABnzb on my raspberry pi to download to a WD NAS, the temp folder for SAB is set to 777 but when it creates subfolders for each download within /mnt/SAB/TEMP it doesnt give itself permission to add to the folder |
| 09:58.19 | vpit3833 | dmesg -- http://paste.debian.net/107938/ and ifconfig -- http://paste.debian.net/107939/ |
| 09:58.44 | vpit3833 | the router has remained the same and others in the house hold have no issues with connecting |
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| 09:58.55 | teshiburu | I have tested this using for example touch /mnt/SAB/TEMP/download1/i-like-trains and it states i dont have permission |
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| 10:01.55 | SynrGy | teshiburu: are either of these debian systems? |
| 10:02.36 | teshiburu | it is running raspmc which i have been assured runs over raspian :) |
| 10:02.47 | SynrGy | that's not debian, however. |
| 10:02.50 | SynrGy | !raspbian |
| 10:02.51 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 10:03.40 | teshiburu | okey dokey ill go find their IRC :) |
| 10:03.46 | SynrGy | good luck |
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| 10:04.51 | ChrisH | vpit3833: there is a valid IP adress assigned to your wlan0 interface. check grep dhclient /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 10:09.22 | vpit3833 | ChrisH: wlan0 is getting its IP from 192.168.0.50 |
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| 10:10.19 | vpit3833 | if I were to remove the eth0 cable, the wlan0 alone does not connect to the internet |
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| 10:12.15 | vpit3833 | I am thinking making the wlan0 seek IP from 192.168.1.1 can help. How can I do this? |
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| 10:15.51 | Coweater | there is no seeking. dhcp request is broadcast to the whole network and a response is received |
| 10:16.16 | Coweater | check whatever device is 192.168.0.50 and disable it from being a dhcp server |
| 10:16.53 | Coweater | or perhaps it's connecting to the wrong ssid |
| 10:17.01 | shingouz | !tell vpit3833 about interfaces |
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| 10:23.28 | ChrisH | vpit3833: it even might be simple only a wrong default route. can you ping via WLAN your local router 192.168.0.50 ? |
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| 10:25.02 | vpit3833 | I can ping 192.168.0.50 through wlan0. Don't know which device is on that IP as all the other devices are on 192.168.1.* |
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| 10:26.40 | Arahael | Could try pinging the broadcast address just to see what responds. |
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| 10:28.28 | hhack | hi |
| 10:29.14 | hhack | I'm using debian wheezy and I upgraded dbus package (https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-2971) |
| 10:29.26 | hhack | should I reboot my system? |
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| 10:29.42 | ChrisH | vpit3833: OK, so your wlan0 Interface does get a valid IP and gets connection. But it gets an IP from an unknwon server. So your next step is to find out what 192.168.0.50 is any why that server does assign an IP to your client. There is not much we can do there. |
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| 10:32.29 | vpit3833 | pinging to the boradcast address has no response. nmap shows http://paste.debian.net/107946/. The OS signature looks odd. |
| 10:32.32 | teshiburu | Just popped back to say worked it out :) thanks for pointing me in the right direction, but worked it out myself :) |
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| 10:33.40 | ChrisH | vpit3833: point your browser to that url: http://192.168.0.50/ I assume its your router |
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| 10:36.30 | vpit3833 | 192.168.0.50 shows a D-Link router login. The home router here is TP-Link on 192.168.1.1. Both present a login page |
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| 10:40.17 | Nik05 | vpit3833 are you connecting to the wrong access point? |
| 10:40.26 | Nik05 | is it your neighbours router? |
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| 10:41.20 | Sec | Hey guys |
| 10:41.35 | teshiburu | Hey Sec |
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| 10:41.48 | Sec | Sup teshiburu, how's it going |
| 10:42.01 | vpit3833 | no, this is the only SSID to which the usual passphrase works.. |
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| 10:47.24 | colonolGron | how to find out with which options vim is compiled in debian? |
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| 10:47.53 | colonolGron | and what is the debian way to make certain options work? for example if vim doesnt have lua support, how to add it the debian way? |
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| 10:48.13 | nkuttler | colonolGron: vim --version? |
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| 10:49.07 | colonolGron | nkuttler: thanks. i thought maybe there is a general way to get this info, for every package, i thought maybe the info is in the deb |
| 10:49.10 | Shadur | colonolGron: If it doesn't have lua support compiled in by default, there'll almost certainly be a vim-lua package that contains the libraries. |
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| 10:51.00 | colonolGron | Shadur: okay, thanks |
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| 10:52.15 | themill | colonolGron: you probably want one of the other vim-* packages (vim-nox for example) |
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| 10:53.38 | colonolGron | themill: whats the difference? |
| 10:54.00 | themill | you'd need to check the package descriptions |
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| 10:54.40 | lotherk | is anyone here using a thinkpad t420 with the (f*cking) optimus card and a monitor connected to the displayport and using this setup with success? I mean permanently success? Not just for one session? I'm going CRAZY on this and want to drive to the nvidia HQ to punch them in their faces |
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| 10:56.07 | Anarch | `apt-cache search doc-linux` lists packages in French, Croation, Japanese, & Polish, but no other languages. My /etc/apt/sources.list contains 'deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free'. I'm looking for the package that has the English HTML HOWTOs. Does that package have some other name? |
| 10:56.49 | Sec | Anarch: you want the html man pages? |
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| 10:57.01 | Anarch | Sec: No, the HTML HOWTOs. |
| 10:57.10 | Nik05 | there is linux-doc |
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| 10:57.40 | Anarch | Nik05: That's different. |
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| 10:59.24 | Sec | Anarch: Probably would help if you elaborated on which How-to you're talking about |
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| 11:01.55 | Anarch | Sec: I'm setting up a new Debian, and trying to install all documentation that's likely to be useful in emergency troubleshooting. On previous Debians, and on Ubuntu Hardy, I've used the package doc-linux-html to install all the HOWTOs from TLDP. Now, apt-cache search doesn't find that package (I just did an update). I'm wondering whether the problem is with <http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/>; are there any other U.S users here, and if so, what mirrors do you |
| 11:02.41 | themill | ,i sysadmin-guide |
| 11:02.42 | judd | Package sysadmin-guide (doc, optional) in wheezy/i386: The Linux System Administrators' Guide. Version: 0.9-1; Size: 187.2k; Installed: 964k; ITA: #678876 |
| 11:02.43 | themill | perhaps? |
| 11:03.39 | Sec | Anarch: That package is called doc-linux in Wheezy and above. |
| 11:03.42 | Sec | https://packages.qa.debian.org/d/doc-linux.html |
| 11:04.07 | Sec | Or not, wait |
| 11:04.23 | Nik05 | no its only in squeeze |
| 11:04.51 | themill | ,bug rm doc-linux |
| 11:04.54 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/668078 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: doc-linux -- RoQA; outdated, orphaned»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-04-08; last modified: 2012-05-10. |
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| 11:05.37 | Sec | That's a very nice bot |
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| 11:05.42 | Anarch | Sec: OK, that sounds reasonable; but `apt-cache search doc-linux` DOES NOT FIND THAT PACKAGE, only a bunch of foreign translations of it. Can you tell me what mirror your /etc/apt/sources.list is looking at (that has that package)? |
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| 11:05.50 | meek_geek | guys which xfce theme do you think works best for debian stable? |
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| 11:05.57 | Sec | Anarch: it was removed because it was too outdated |
| 11:06.00 | Nik05 | Anarch its not in the repositories |
| 11:06.03 | Sec | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=614131 |
| 11:06.08 | Sec | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=668078 |
| 11:06.19 | Anarch | Oh, I just saw that themill commented on that. OK. |
| 11:06.40 | Anarch | Sec, Nik05, themill: Thanks all. |
| 11:06.43 | Sec | And outdated documentation is worse than no documentation |
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| 11:09.19 | meek_geek | anyone using xfce with stable here ? |
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| 11:09.28 | Nik05 | probably, whats your question? |
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| 11:19.56 | paul_grozav | Hello, can someone tell me how to measure the performance of a program using perf. I'm interested in the hle statistics as described here: http://lwn.net/Articles/534758/ at "Tunning and profiling TSX" . Thanks ! |
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| 11:31.47 | meek_geek | hi |
| 11:32.03 | omarek | Hey, I'm looking for some primitive spam filter I can script. For example I'd like to do "if the mail has hyperlinks and none of them point to our domain, nuke it" |
| 11:32.23 | omarek | Any idea how to do that ? I think the server is running postfix but I have no root access. |
| 11:32.43 | Twinkletoes_ | omarek: procmail? |
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| 11:33.28 | Twinkletoes_ | omarek: It's a steep learning curve if you've not used it before, but providing your mail server supports .forward files in your home directory, you can use procmail |
| 11:34.04 | Twinkletoes_ | omarek: This is the page you wante: http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/qs/ |
| 11:34.24 | omarek | Twinkletoes_: Thanks, I'm looking it up. |
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| 11:49.05 | meek_geek | anyone using debian stable with xfce? |
| 11:49.31 | ksk | hey guys. i want to "automate" a package installation which asks me "do you want to replace file XY" on upgrade - whats the way to automate this? |
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| 11:49.50 | gooberfoob | why is it that steam cannot run on wheezy ? |
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| 11:50.16 | gooberfoob | I just was looking at the wiki and I am reading it can only be installed on jessie |
| 11:50.27 | themill | ksk: you'd need to be sure which answer you wanted to give for that question and also need to know whether it's a dpkg conffile prompt or a ucf conffile prompt (the latter is unlikely but possible). /msg dpkg confnew |
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| 11:50.37 | ksk | thanks themill |
| 11:50.38 | themill | gooberfoob: it's compiled against a newer libc |
| 11:50.39 | meek_geek | gooberfoob, for games we have xubuntu |
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| 11:50.56 | gooberfoob | so, if i want steam.. i need to update to jessie |
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| 11:51.13 | themill | gooberfoob: or make a jessie chroot on the wheezy system, yes |
| 11:51.39 | gooberfoob | am I sacrificing security going to jessie testing ? |
| 11:51.59 | meek_geek | gooberfoob, steam is proprietary don't except an audit |
| 11:52.07 | themill | gooberfoob: to an extent, yes |
| 11:52.23 | meek_geek | expect* |
| 11:52.47 | gooberfoob | mmm.... |
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| 11:54.17 | gooberfoob | Now, I have to make that decision. Steam still does not offer a lot of games |
| 11:55.09 | Slava_J | gooberfoob: you also can pin to testing and install que packages that steam req |
| 11:55.38 | gooberfoob | how do I go about that ? |
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| 11:56.41 | Slava_J | gooberfoob: https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 11:57.04 | themill | mixing wheezy and jessie is definitely not a good plan |
| 11:57.28 | Slava_J | its just an idea |
| 11:57.41 | gooberfoob | Yeah, I understand. |
| 11:57.55 | gooberfoob | I dont want to sacrifice security just to play some steam games |
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| 12:03.47 | ksk | so install ubuntu (steam suggest ubuntu?) on a second partition to play? should be a lot easier |
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| 12:07.12 | meek_geek | guys when I install ntfs-3g it worked fine but after a restart it gave me a permission error while mounting the same drive |
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| 12:10.12 | ThKo | wtf |
| 12:10.18 | LinuxGuy91 | stop it |
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| 12:10.22 | Sec | Smart |
| 12:10.22 | LinuxGuy91 | i'll tell mike shuttleworth |
| 12:10.26 | ariscop | they've been in unubtu too, it's getting a little annoying |
| 12:10.38 | Sec | And in defocus |
| 12:10.39 | achadwick | Meh. |
| 12:10.49 | Sec | He seems to be bored as hell |
| 12:10.53 | gooberfoob | whats that all about ? |
| 12:10.58 | CoreIT84 | morning all |
| 12:11.00 | e-anima | damn spam idiots, mass nick :) |
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| 12:11.08 | gooberfoob | What is the point ? |
| 12:11.12 | CoreIT84 | gotta loveem lol |
| 12:11.31 | e-anima | i am not sure. maybe the same poin tas spamming 1000 messages on a comment moderated site/forum as 0% will pass. |
| 12:11.45 | CoreIT84 | get us non ops complaining lol makes them feel relavent ? |
| 12:11.56 | e-anima | so the point is just stupidity :) |
| 12:12.03 | CoreIT84 | likely |
| 12:12.10 | sommarnatt | Perhaps they just wanna liven up the channels ;)( |
| 12:12.40 | KBme | I think they're collecting info about who's active and who's not |
| 12:13.07 | CoreIT84 | im in 192 channels across 8 servers i dont mind that its the dcc chat requests for naughty affairs i dislike greatly |
| 12:13.33 | e-anima | KBme would make sense and then spamming them in query |
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| 12:15.05 | KBme | e-anima, I bet the stats are worth a couple of cents |
| 12:15.13 | e-anima | :) |
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| 12:29.59 | tdn | Is there any filesystems available on Debian that support transparent compression? I see that ext4 and XFS does not. |
| 12:30.23 | tdn | I know that btrfs does, but that is experimental. |
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| 12:32.28 | ioudas | Hi, I have a debian wheezy install on a jetway (intel nm10 chipset) that will randomly kernel panic. When it does the kern.log shows an error message of drm registered panic notifier. Does anyone have ideas on how to solve this? |
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| 12:34.11 | Cpuroast | ioudas: you could try the backported 3.14 kernel |
| 12:34.30 | Cpuroast | see if it improves things |
| 12:36.07 | peetaur2 | tdn: also there's zfsonlinux. It works well... doesn't corrupt anything, but has some memory issues which have workarounds. |
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| 12:38.08 | tdn | peetaur2, hmm... is that considered production ready? |
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| 12:38.32 | MartyH | tdn: there is a zfs-fuse package too. Not sure what that'll do to perf |
| 12:38.41 | peetaur2 | tdn: many believe so |
| 12:39.02 | peetaur2 | tdn: zfs-fuse is okay for some cases, but is unusably slow on raidz (raid5/6 equivalent) |
| 12:39.30 | tdn | This is going to be fast. 800-1600 mb/s. Maybe more. |
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| 12:39.52 | jhutchins | ioudas: That sounds very much like a hardware problem. |
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| 12:40.08 | jhutchins | ioudas: You could run memtest on it, or just try reseating the modules. |
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| 12:40.40 | peetaur2 | ioudas: you should pastebin the whole bug/oops... it says [------cut here----] to mark the relevant part. Try to get the first one that says "Not tainted" instead of the "Tainted" ones. |
| 12:42.30 | jhutchins | tdn: In the many years since disk compression first came out it's never caught on. The costo of bulk storage continues to drop, and the resource cost of compression/decompression just isn't worth it. |
| 12:43.27 | jhutchins | tdn: The only practical implementation I can think of at the moment is squashfs, which is used for live and embedded systems. |
| 12:43.43 | peetaur2 | jhutchins: lz4 and lzo actually don't slow most tasks down noticably |
| 12:44.08 | peetaur2 | and people that have studied btrfs/zfs say that it doesn't work as well outside the filesystem... has to be integrated. |
| 12:44.49 | jhutchins | There's no point in compression for ordinary systems though. |
| 12:45.00 | tdn | jhutchins, yeah, but this system has a lot of data (about 50 TB) that compresses extremely well (70-90 %). And the cost of storage is non-trivial due to the fact that this is a validated environment used for clinical trials. |
| 12:45.41 | tdn | jhutchins, maybe this is not an "ordinary" system :) |
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| 12:47.12 | ioudas | the drm module registers a panic on restart |
| 12:47.21 | ioudas | drm appears to be intel's modules for emgd |
| 12:47.26 | peetaur2 | my backup server zfsonlinux has a 1.7x compress ratio... so I'm happy :D |
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| 12:47.45 | jhutchins | tdn: For that kind of storage you're probably looking at dedicated storage arrays anyway, with their own OS built in. |
| 12:48.05 | peetaur2 | 3 machines that I simply copied with rsync have 1.4x, and the burp backup has 1.8, and on average it's 1.7x |
| 12:48.20 | peetaur2 | so I'd expect a random linux OS to compress to around 1.4x |
| 12:48.31 | gigo1980 | hi together… is the following security problem fixed if i have on debian wheezy ther version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u11 of the package "openssl" installed ? |
| 12:48.36 | gigo1980 | 1.0.1e-2+deb7u11 |
| 12:48.50 | gigo1980 | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0224 <— sorry this is the link to the security issue |
| 12:48.53 | tdn | jhutchins, we have not decided yet, we might use internal disks as this is a distributed environment. |
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| 12:58.01 | petn-randall | gigo1980: That page you linked answers your own question. There's a line "wheezy (security) 1.0.1e-2+deb7u11 fixed". |
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| 13:02.26 | jaakkos | is it not possible to get rsyslogd in wheezy to use UNIX timestamps when logging... |
| 13:03.04 | xand | jaakkos: you can certainly change the format |
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| 13:05.34 | jaakkos | xand: it appears "unixtimestamp" is not supported before 6.3.8 :S |
| 13:05.45 | xand | oh... |
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| 13:06.40 | jelly | judd: v rsyslog |
| 13:06.41 | judd | Package: rsyslog on i386 -- squeeze: 4.6.4-2; squeeze-backports: 5.8.11-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 5.8.11-3; wheezy-backports: 7.6.3-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 7.6.3-3; sid: 8.2.2-3 |
| 13:07.08 | jelly | jaakkos: there you go, use wheezy-backports |
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| 13:12.54 | jaakkos | jelly: good idea, thanks. |
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| 13:20.44 | neo1691 | I would like to ask something linux specific query here. Why do "ls -d" only shows the . directory and if I want to see all the directories in the current directoy I need to do "ls -ld */" |
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| 13:21.47 | jhutchins | neo1691: Because that's the way it works? |
| 13:22.20 | neo1691 | jhutchins: isn't ls -d should list the directories? |
| 13:22.32 | Walex | neo1691: the implicit argument to 'ls' is '.' |
| 13:22.33 | petn-randall | neo1691: If you don't add a dir as parameter, it will act on the current working dir. |
| 13:22.51 | jhutchins | neo1691: It will if you specify the path, otherwise it's assuming the current directory is the target. |
| 13:23.00 | petn-randall | neo1691: So it would effectively be "ls -ld .", which matches what you get. |
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| 13:25.44 | neo1691 | but even if I do ls -d Videos/* it will still show all the files. |
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| 13:26.40 | neo1691 | or ls -ld Pictures/* yet it will return all the files in that directory, not only directories but all the files |
| 13:27.19 | jhutchins | neo1691: ls does have a man page. |
| 13:27.34 | neo1691 | jhutchins: I have read that, thanks for letting me know that |
| 13:27.42 | petn-randall | neo1691: This is because your shell will expand Videos/* to all files under Videos, and then pass that list to ls. |
| 13:27.46 | TJ- | neo1691: You're using the wrong tool. Use "find /path/to/dir -type d" |
| 13:27.59 | neo1691 | jhutchins: I would not have asked here if I would have understood it in the first place |
| 13:28.25 | neo1691 | TJ-: Okay! I knew find, but i thought ls -d should do the same |
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| 13:28.54 | TJ- | neo1691: Use "-maxdepth X" to control the number of sub-directories 'find' will recurse into |
| 13:29.05 | neo1691 | According the man page -d says list directories themselves, not their contents |
| 13:29.20 | neo1691 | TJ-: yup! maxdepth :) |
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| 13:35.03 | TJ- | neo1691: 'ls' "--directory" a.k.a. "-d" means list the *dir_ent* structure (directory entry) - of the named directory entr{y,ies} - rather than fetching the *dir_ent* structure and listing all its child dir_ent structures. The language of the help/man-page is very much related to the underlying programming metaphors |
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| 13:41.10 | kushal3 | I am learning Wheezy. Gmail works fine with receiving emails but I can't send emails from Evolution. Any ideas? I have imap enabled and pop disabled in my account. |
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| 13:51.29 | valdez | whats the command to scan all network adapters? im trying to find my broadcom wifi card info |
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| 13:52.06 | centrx | lspci ? |
| 13:52.39 | valdez | thanks |
| 13:52.45 | Slava_J | valdez: lspci -nn | grep Broadcom |
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| 13:52.52 | ChrisH | lshw -short -C network ; lsusb ; lspci ;... |
| 13:52.52 | valdez | thanks =] |
| 13:52.56 | valdez | thanks a third time |
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| 13:53.19 | babilen | kushal3: Just as a note: I would recommend to use, say, Icedove from http://mozilla.debian.net rather than evolution. For Gmail you essentially have to configure your SMTP server as detailed on the google support pages. You will also have to enable that in your account settings IIRC. |
| 13:53.23 | jordila | Hi, dear #debian community |
| 13:53.27 | babilen | (icedove == thunderbird) |
| 13:54.03 | kushal3 | ah, ok. It is in backports, babilen ? |
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| 13:54.57 | jordila | just wondering... is it possible (without too many complex operating) to embed my running Debian 7 onto a VirtualBox ? :-/ |
| 13:55.06 | jordila | thanks for your attention |
| 13:55.35 | Slava_J | jordila: yes |
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| 13:56.12 | babilen | kushal3: It is already in wheezy, but a newer version is available from http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 13:56.32 | babilen | (same for iceweasel/firefox) |
| 13:56.37 | kushal3 | ok, I'll just install from just apt-get |
| 13:57.11 | babilen | kushal3: Yes, but that gets you an old version and you will, almost certainly, want to use a newer one which is available from our maintainers at http://mozilla.debian.net for wheezy |
| 13:57.17 | hiuf | Hi, I want to install and run a minimal debian+kvm on a sd card. how should I do that the best way? Im thinking mounting "/" with noatime and using ext4? But not sure what would be best. I know that this is considered best practice by vmware wich uses linux kernel, so should be possible to do it in a sane way |
| 13:57.42 | kushal3 | ah ok |
| 13:57.42 | jordila | Slava_| thanks |
| 13:58.08 | ChrisH | jordila: If you have not done to much config, it might be easier to install a new Debaian into Virtualbox. But googles shows some ideas on how to move an existing system into a VM. But I would consider that medium-magic stuff :) |
| 13:58.38 | jordila | Thanks Chrish |
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| 13:59.01 | Slava_J | i think dd is the easiest way |
| 13:59.06 | jordila | the point is... i need a kind of sandbox for a Debian based LAMP training... |
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| 13:59.45 | jordila | so i (is it crazy ?) i was wondering how to easily pass my trainees a virtual instance of my current Debian ? :-/ |
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| 14:00.17 | jordila | (instead of building it from scratch...as long as it would be iterated...) |
| 14:00.18 | centrx | jordila, Do a search for how to make a virtualbox image out of a dd image |
| 14:00.31 | jordila | thanks centrx ! |
| 14:00.32 | centrx | jordila, You probably use the VBoxManage program |
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| 14:00.48 | ChrisH | jordila: Given that: DO a new installation, configure it and export it. Have your trainees import that template |
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| 14:01.30 | jordila | mmmh... maybe that's cleaner than passing them my system, Chrish |
| 14:01.42 | jordila | ...CrisH |
| 14:01.48 | jordila | thanks again |
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| 14:02.23 | jordila | i love #debian |
| 14:02.28 | ChrisH | jordila: I assume its the faster way :) I saw a colleague who must do the other way and it took a longer time to get it booting. |
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| 14:02.41 | jordila | sure ! |
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| 14:04.41 | Baughn | Can I get an installation image with a newer kernel than 3.2 somewhere? |
| 14:04.48 | Baughn | I don't think it'd work too well on my hardware. |
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| 14:05.34 | Cpuroast | Baughn: 3.14 is available |
| 14:05.38 | Cpuroast | in backports |
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| 14:06.02 | Cpuroast | Baughn: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 14:06.31 | Baughn | This page seems to assume I already have a working system |
| 14:06.41 | Cpuroast | 3.2 doesn't even boot |
| 14:06.42 | Cpuroast | ? |
| 14:06.59 | ioudas | does anyone know how you install something with pkgbuild? on wheezy? |
| 14:07.37 | Baughn | Cpuroast: I'm not /sure/. I won't have access to the hardware for another two weeks, and by then I won't have an internet connection. |
| 14:07.40 | Cpuroast | lol |
| 14:07.42 | Baughn | THings are a little problematic like that. |
| 14:07.51 | Baughn | But the machine is pure-UEFI |
| 14:07.54 | Baughn | No BIOS support |
| 14:08.06 | Cpuroast | I don't see why that would be a problem |
| 14:08.17 | Baughn | I remember UEFI support in 3.2 being rather buggy. :) |
| 14:08.18 | ChrisH | Baughn: booti8ng from network might be an option. |
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| 14:08.37 | Cpuroast | the only post 3.2 is in backports or in testing/sid |
| 14:08.46 | Baughn | Maybe. I'd need a linux VM.. and yeah, I should probably make one. It'd be helpful. |
| 14:08.56 | Baughn | Okay, so no install images available. Got it. |
| 14:09.08 | Cpuroast | unless Jessie freezes this november |
| 14:09.15 | Cpuroast | until |
| 14:09.17 | Cpuroast | I mean |
| 14:09.21 | Baughn | Did I mention this is in two weeks? :P |
| 14:09.26 | Cpuroast | yah |
| 14:09.27 | Cpuroast | I know |
| 14:09.35 | Cpuroast | you could potentially install 3.2 |
| 14:09.42 | Cpuroast | the original wheezy install |
| 14:09.42 | Baughn | THanks anyway. I'll look into various rescue images; I can always install with debootstrap. |
| 14:09.52 | Baughn | Or maybe I'll do Arch this time. Hum~ |
| 14:10.03 | Cpuroast | make a copy of the 3.14 backports kernel .deb file |
| 14:10.14 | Cpuroast | then load up in recovery mode |
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| 14:10.24 | Baughn | I'm sure I'll figure it out. |
| 14:10.31 | Cpuroast | mount your actual install as your root |
| 14:10.35 | Cpuroast | and install the deb |
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| 14:10.53 | kushal3 | babilen, only esr and esr10 are available on mozilla.debian for wheezy |
| 14:11.04 | Baughn | carefully pokes the Arch installation CD. 3.14.4 is a bit /too/ new, perhaps.. |
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| 14:11.20 | Cpuroast | if you want to run deb 7 |
| 14:11.23 | Cpuroast | there are ways |
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| 14:11.51 | Cpuroast | Baughn: how come no internet |
| 14:11.52 | Cpuroast | ? |
| 14:11.58 | themill | kushal3: you want "release" |
| 14:12.10 | kushal3 | themill, I don't see that option |
| 14:12.11 | Baughn | Cpuroast: You want to know the full story? It's amusing. |
| 14:12.24 | Cpuroast | Baughn: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:12.27 | Cpuroast | could work too |
| 14:12.37 | Cpuroast | these are Jessie snapshots |
| 14:13.07 | Baughn | (But actually it isn't "no internet". The purpose of this machine is to act as an internet router. However, I've got a 6GB/month bandwidth cap.) |
| 14:13.19 | Sec | That's horrible Baughn |
| 14:13.27 | themill | kushal3: ahh. for icedove, wheezy already has versio n24 |
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| 14:13.39 | kushal3 | so apt-get will work fine? |
| 14:13.40 | Cpuroast | Baughn: a Linux netinstall wouldn't eat that much |
| 14:13.49 | Cpuroast | debian |
| 14:13.50 | Baughn | Perhaps it'll make more sense if I mention that I'm installing it at https://www.google.ie/maps/@68.6614303,16.0129214,15239m/data=!3m1!1e3 |
| 14:14.10 | babilen | kushal3: Oh, is that the case? |
| 14:14.10 | Baughn | And the internet connection is a 400MHz radio link |
| 14:14.15 | Cpuroast | Fun |
| 14:14.16 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 14:14.34 | Baughn | Oh yeah, and I'll need to put a wifi relay on top of the nearest mountain to actually *get* that connection |
| 14:14.42 | babilen | kushal3: Oh, I'm sorry. I thought that newer versions (i.e. releases) would also be available. |
| 14:14.43 | Baughn | Soo~ |
| 14:14.44 | kushal3 | I don't know how far back esr is from release |
| 14:14.57 | Baughn | Cpuroast: Fun. Definitely. In the dwarven sense. :X |
| 14:15.09 | babilen | kushal3: It's the extended release releases, but I don't know which the laste was. Let me check the versions in question. |
| 14:15.13 | babilen | judd: v icedove |
| 14:15.13 | themill | kushal3: given how (not) developed thunderbird is, you're not missing much |
| 14:15.14 | hiuf | Anyone? I want to install and run a minimal debian+kvm on a sd card. how should I do that the best way? Im thinking mounting "/" with noatime and using ext4? But not sure what would be best. I know that this is considered best practice by vmware wich uses linux kernel, so should be possible to do it in a sane way |
| 14:15.14 | judd | Package: icedove on i386 -- squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12-1; jessie: 24.5.0-2; wheezy-security: 24.6.0-1~deb7u1; sid: 31.0~b1-2 |
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| 14:15.30 | Cpuroast | Baughn: it's an interesting challenge |
| 14:15.36 | kushal3 | yeah, at least they haven't turned it over to the community yet, have they? |
| 14:15.37 | Baughn | hiuf: If it's an SD card, you'll want to minimize writes |
| 14:15.51 | Baughn | hiuf: noatime is good, if it /works/, but otherwise you can use relatime |
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| 14:16.28 | kushal3 | Baughn, how far are you from the north pole? |
| 14:16.32 | kushal3 | just curious |
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| 14:16.50 | Baughn | kushal3: According to the URL, we're at 68.66 degrees north |
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| 14:17.00 | babilen | kushal3: Version: 24.0-1~bpo70+1 is in esr |
| 14:17.42 | Baughn | hiuf: "Best practice" is whatever doesn't break the SD card; they're not meant for heavy use, really. What is the machine for? |
| 14:17.52 | babilen | kushal3: So there is no point in installing that as you can get a newer version from wheezy-security already. Sorry for that. |
| 14:18.17 | kushal3 | no problem, babilen thank you for your help :) |
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| 14:18.45 | kushal3 | babilen, have you messed with postgres much? |
| 14:19.00 | babilen | kushal3: It hates me, yes |
| 14:19.13 | babilen | But just ask the entire channel or #postgresql |
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| 14:21.21 | kushal3 | Ah, the latest thunderbird release on windows is 24.6.0 and I believe the Debian folks backport all security updates to wheezy anyways |
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| 14:22.35 | babilen | kushal3: yes, it is in wheezy-security .. It's just that for *iceweasel* newer versions are also available from http://mozilla.debian.net -- I simply remembered that they also have some icedove repos and foolishly assumed that they make the version in sid available for wheezy there. |
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| 14:23.11 | babilen | kushal3: I don't use Icedove or Thunderbird (I love me some mutt) so forgive me this slight oversight. :) |
| 14:23.42 | kushal3 | babilen, once again no problem :) and I appreciate your help |
| 14:23.52 | Sec | All hail mutt |
| 14:24.02 | kushal3 | mutt? |
| 14:24.19 | babilen | http://www.mutt.org/ |
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| 14:27.21 | kushal3 | "Simply put, mutt is just a file browser specialised for browsing email." Nice |
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| 14:28.55 | neo1691 | Sec: All hail! |
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| 14:30.01 | BenC | Is there a channel specific to nm applicants? |
| 14:30.12 | Sec | nm? |
| 14:30.22 | kushal3 | New Mexico? |
| 14:30.26 | BenC | new maintainer |
| 14:32.01 | hiuf | Baughn: kvm hypervisor :) |
| 14:32.10 | hiuf | for putting virtual servers on top |
| 14:32.44 | hiuf | thinking maybe putting /var/log to a file server with nfs? or sshfs? |
| 14:32.49 | ioudas | Hi, I have a debian wheezy install on a jetway (intel nm10 chipset) that will randomly kernel panic. When it does the kern.log shows an error message of drm registered panic notifier. Does anyone have ideas on how to solve this? does anyone know where theres is an emgd download ? |
| 14:33.23 | hiuf | Baughn: and use tempfs/ram for /tmp |
| 14:33.26 | neo1691 | I really want to get going with mutt! |
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| 14:33.34 | babilen | BenC: There is. You are looking for #debian-newmaint on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 14:33.43 | jhutchins | ioudas: We answered you earlier. |
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| 14:33.58 | jhutchins | ioudas: Did you do either of the things I suggested? |
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| 14:34.29 | Agiofws | hello |
| 14:34.53 | Agiofws | how do i install deb package that all ready exists in synaptic? |
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| 14:34.59 | ioudas | We? you mean you? I fail to see how a memtest issue will fix a emgd module panic. I would like any advice from anyone else. Your advice is just silly. |
| 14:35.17 | Cpuroast | ioudas: did you try the backports kernel? |
| 14:35.22 | Agiofws | do i remove the package from synaptic and then install the deb package with dpkg -i ? |
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| 14:35.39 | ioudas | I have not, do you know Cpuroast if that is fixed any where? I couldnt find it in the kernel.org lists |
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| 14:36.00 | themill | Agiofws: what are you really trying to do here? |
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| 14:36.08 | epinky | Hello, I'm trying to install freeradius-mysql but I get this error: " freeradius-mysql: Depends: freeradius (= 2.0.4+dfsg-6) but 2.1.10+dfsg-2~bpo50+1 is to be installed |
| 14:36.09 | epinky | E: Broken packages" |
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| 14:36.28 | Cpuroast | ioudas: I don't see how it could hurt and it's not like it removes the 3.2 kernel, so you can always boot back to 3.2 |
| 14:36.38 | ioudas | ill give that a test |
| 14:36.39 | Agiofws | themill, http://www.pasteall.org/52603 |
| 14:36.50 | epinky | I've tried to update and reinstall, but get the same error, any way to solve this? |
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| 14:37.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell epinky -about bat |
| 14:37.48 | themill | Agiofws: that's rather different to what you described. You need to remove the package makehuman-alpha. |
| 14:37.50 | jhutchins | ioudas: If you knew what was actually wrong, you wouldn't be asking here. |
| 14:37.50 | Baughn | hiuf: No, what will the machine actually _do_? |
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| 14:38.01 | Baughn | hiuf: Although, this does not sound like something you'd run off an SD card. |
| 14:38.07 | hiuf | running kvm. miminal debian with kvm installed |
| 14:38.22 | Agiofws | Removing makehuman-alpha ... |
| 14:38.23 | ioudas | jhutchins, everytime I ask for a problem here, your advice is always so far from the actual problem I use your advice on what not to do. So im not sure you can some how claim authority. |
| 14:38.28 | Baughn | hiuf: And on top of that? |
| 14:38.40 | ioudas | To me youre not experienced enough to help |
| 14:38.58 | Baughn | hiuf: So far you're describing a doorstopper. The machine should be doing something useful. :) |
| 14:39.19 | ioudas | just because i didnt follow your advice doesnt mean you have to resort to acting like a 4 year old. |
| 14:39.24 | hiuf | Baughn: the virtual servers on a raid10 scssi |
| 14:39.26 | ioudas | or i cant ask other people |
| 14:39.28 | ioudas | grow up |
| 14:39.46 | Baughn | hiuf: Wait, weren't you talking about SD cards? |
| 14:40.08 | hiuf | Baughn: yes. the SD card is for the minimal debian OS - running kvm |
| 14:40.09 | hiuf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:40.35 | Baughn | hiuf: Hum. |
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| 14:40.49 | Baughn | hiuf: My experience is that they fail randomly. You'll probably want a cheap SSD for this. |
| 14:41.26 | epinky | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ffd3441a/ |
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| 14:41.42 | babilen | epinky: ta |
| 14:42.01 | babilen | epinky: lenny, really? |
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| 14:42.11 | epinky | babilen: yes :( |
| 14:42.59 | hiuf | Baughn: also considering this option.. hmm, I could set up a sata disk as boot number 2 wich mirrors the sd card maybe, but would like to have all the sata connectors for disks |
| 14:43.28 | hiuf | Baughn: but so far with 6 scsi disks, no need for the sata ports yet. |
| 14:43.36 | babilen | epinky: Well, you forgot the output of "apt-cache policy freeradius" and it would also help if you could paste your entire sources.list. It should go without saying that an upgrade lenny→squeeze→wheezy is long overdue there. |
| 14:43.45 | Baughn | hiuf: Why scsi, anyway? |
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| 14:44.16 | Yatmai | Hi everyone |
| 14:44.41 | hiuf | Baughn: I got a piece of hardware to set up, and already got 6x300Gb scsi disks and hardware raid (I would prefer linux sw raid though) :) |
| 14:44.53 | epinky | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f969d292/ |
| 14:44.57 | Yatmai | How can lie dpkg/apt that package is installed without installation? |
| 14:44.59 | hiuf | it got sd card slot internally right on motherboard :) pretty cool |
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| 14:45.58 | babilen | epinky: You must have installed the freeradius from lenny-backports at one point. You can either downgrade that to the version in lenny or install freeradius-mysql from lenny-backports too (assuming it is available there) |
| 14:46.02 | Baughn | hiuf: Hum. Well, you can certainly try running it off an SD card. Just don't be surprised if it fails. |
| 14:46.09 | Baughn | hiuf: Try to minimize writes, at least. |
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| 14:46.28 | epinky | babilen: how to install from backports? |
| 14:46.34 | Baughn | hiuf: As for swraid... my preference is very much ZFS. http://sprunge.us/AVbV gives a nice explanation of why. |
| 14:46.37 | hiuf | Im thinking of dd'ing a copy every time major changes are done |
| 14:46.49 | hiuf | ZFS is awesome :) |
| 14:46.49 | Baughn | ..though I think it's just a dodgy cable. |
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| 14:46.55 | Pres-Gas | Is iceweasel 30 from the debian-mozilla team somehow keeping the old version of FF sync in it? |
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| 14:48.20 | babilen | epinky: Check line 15 in your sources.list, uncomment that and run "apt-get update". Then install from there with "apt-get -t lenny-backports install freeradius-mysql" -- I will, however, repeat it once more: UPGRADE TO SQUEEZE |
| 14:48.24 | Pres-Gas | I was about to migrate to the new version of FF sync and see that FF and iceweasel 30 seem to have different sync windows. |
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| 14:48.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell epinky -about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:48.57 | Agiofws | thank you themill |
| 14:49.08 | epinky | babilen: ok, thank you very much |
| 14:49.59 | babilen | epinky: Please, do us *and the rest of the world* a favour and upgrade that system. In particular if you run (and rely on) software such as freeradius. It is not justifiable to run that version. Not at all. |
| 14:50.57 | hiuf | Baughn: thanks a lot for helping :) |
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| 14:53.50 | blackjack | hello guys. how do i disable samba? |
| 14:54.31 | blackjack | is the proper way to uninstall samba daemon is to disable it first right? |
| 14:54.34 | blackjack | then purge? |
| 14:55.04 | babilen | blackjack: Why don't you purge it to begin with? |
| 14:55.35 | blackjack | someone said to stop it first |
| 14:55.38 | blackjack | before purging |
| 14:55.42 | blackjack | or is it the same thing? :/ |
| 14:55.45 | karlpinc | blackjack: If you just want to turn it off temporarly there's other choices. |
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| 14:56.19 | babilen | blackjack: It will be stopped when you purge it, but it really depends on how it is being used now and what you want to achieve. |
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| 14:57.04 | blackjack | if i "/etc/init.d/samba stop" it, it will still run if i reboot my system right? |
| 14:57.10 | blackjack | it 'auto' starts? |
| 14:57.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell blackjack -about disable service |
| 14:57.38 | blackjack | thanks babilen |
| 14:57.57 | babilen | blackjack: Please note that *purging* the package will remove its configuration files (which might not be what you want, but then it might be exactly what you want .. I have no idea) |
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| 14:58.49 | blackjack | babilen, maybe i want to purge it, i never hard used it anyway |
| 14:59.03 | blackjack | i heard from my hosting, is that its run by default |
| 14:59.19 | babilen | Only you can know what you want :) |
| 14:59.32 | blackjack | in the default template of openvz.org |
| 14:59.50 | blackjack | i never had* used it anyway i mean |
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| 15:01.06 | blackjack | babilen: is dpkg better in installing and uninstalling debian packages? |
| 15:01.14 | blackjack | better than aptitude or apt-get? |
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| 15:02.01 | karlpinc | blackjack: It's all a matter of the interface you like, but generally aptitude or apt-get is preferred. |
| 15:02.08 | babilen | blackjack: No, you should use apt-get and aptitude as they will handle dependencies and the retrieval of packages from the repositories you configured |
| 15:02.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell blackjack about debian handbook |
| 15:02.20 | blackjack | ok |
| 15:02.41 | babilen | blackjack: Read the chapter in the handbook that discusses the package management system |
| 15:03.08 | karlpinc | blackjack: Note that you want to use the stock debian repos and get your packages from there. Otherwise, well, you're taking on the work that a huge debian team does that makes sure everything works together. |
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| 15:04.33 | JordiGH | Why do maintainers make transitional packages that say stuff like "you may remove this package"? Doesn't apt have some sort of package "symlink"/alias thing? |
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| 15:07.10 | blackjack | yeah karlpinc i get the point. I used to always rely on apt-get for everything, to updating the OS and packages, and also uninstalling some of them. |
| 15:07.18 | blackjack | i even seldomly use aptitude |
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| 15:07.30 | blackjack | but i know every command has its special purpose |
| 15:07.50 | kushal3 | babilen, thank you! I can send emails now in debian :D configuring gpg was easier than I anticipated |
| 15:08.30 | blackjack | i only know of pgp |
| 15:08.36 | blackjack | whats 'gpg'? |
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| 15:10.38 | jhutchins | !gpg |
| 15:10.38 | dpkg | [gpg] GNU Privacy Guard (GnuPG, GPG) is free public-key encryption program, an alternative to <PGP>. Packaged for Debian as gnupg and gnupg2. http://gnupg.org/ #gnupg on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:10.50 | Voyager82 | Please, can you explain me, in a few words, the difference between the Squeeze distro, and the Wheeze distro, please? |
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| 15:11.15 | mtn | Voyager82: squeeze=older wheezy=newer ;) |
| 15:11.19 | jhutchins | Voyager82: They were released at different times, have different default kernels and different package versions. |
| 15:12.41 | Voyager82 | mtn, jhutchins, my understanding was the Squeeze included only "stable" (more "verified") software, compared to Wheeze. Is it so? When is a software "verified" enough, to be included to the Squeeze distro? |
| 15:12.45 | jhutchins | Voyager82: squeeze is "oldstable", still supported but not really updated except security fixes, wheezy is stable, packages are not updated except bugfixes and security fixes, but some new features in newer packages are available from backports. |
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| 15:14.40 | jhutchins | Voyager82: You can /msg dpkg oldstable or /msg dpkg stable for a more official description. |
| 15:15.50 | jhutchins | Voyager82: Are you running Debian, or considering installing it? |
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| 15:16.50 | Voyager82 | jhutchins, do you mean that Squeeze software is not updated anymore? The problem that I encountered is with the "libatlas3gf-base" package that has a documented bug, which makes it work improperly on my (old) computer. Apparently, the bug was solved, but it seems that I cannot install it by "apt-get upgrade", since I have a Squeeze distro. |
| 15:18.59 | themill | Voyager82: if your bug is fixed in wheezy, then you can upgrade your installation from squeeze to wheezy to get the fix. |
| 15:19.00 | jmcnaught | Voyager82: there's only one stable release at a time. Debian 6 (Squeeze) was supported for about a year after Debian 7 (Wheezy) was released. When the current testing release (Jessie) is finished, Jessie will be Debian 8, and Wheezy will be oldstable. |
| 15:19.07 | themill | dpkg: tell Voyager82 about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 15:20.50 | Voyager82 | jmcnaught, maybe I don't undestand the difference among the many distro names. |
| 15:20.52 | Voyager82 | :( |
| 15:21.32 | themill | Voyager82: "old" is the only thing you need to understand here -- squeeze is older than wheezy (and is no longer supported) |
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| 15:22.17 | JordiGH | Well, no longer *as* supported. |
| 15:22.38 | themill | no, no longer supported. |
| 15:22.57 | JordiGH | I thought oldstable still got security fixes? |
| 15:23.01 | themill | no |
| 15:23.09 | JordiGH | jhutchins: you lied to me! |
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| 15:24.10 | Voyager82 | themill, therefore, Squeeze is not a name for "stable" or "oldstable". it's just a specific name of a Debian distro. Is it so? |
| 15:24.18 | jhutchins | !oldstable |
| 15:24.19 | dpkg | i heard oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Squeeze (6.0) was oldstable and currently has volunteer-provided security support; ask me about <squeeze-lts>. It is recommended to upgrade your system(s) to the current stable release, ask me about <oldstable->stable>. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 15:24.26 | jhutchins | JordiGH: I also gave you official references. |
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| 15:24.52 | fryguy | Voyager82: names like Squeeze and Wheezy are fixed names for releases. They don't change over time. names like "oldstable, stable, testing" are aliases for those names that DO change over time |
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| 15:25.31 | JordiGH | fryguy: Squeeze is Debian 6.x and wheezy is Debian 7.x. I'm getting old enough with Debian that I find numbers more useful than codenames. |
| 15:25.35 | JordiGH | Er, Voyager82 |
| 15:25.54 | fryguy | JordiGH: i'm in the same boat, last time I used debian seriously was potato/sarge |
| 15:26.08 | JordiGH | Voyager82: Just like Mac OS X.VI is Mountain Cat and Mac OS X.VII is Leopard or whatever. |
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| 15:26.49 | jhutchins | Voyager82: As oldstable gets older, it gets harder to get support if you have upgrade problems, so upgrading sooner rather than later is good. |
| 15:26.58 | Voyager82 | JordiGH, maybe I hadn't understand that codenames had the same function of serial numbers. I agree with you that serial number would be better than codenames. |
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| 15:27.58 | Voyager82 | JordiGH, I thought that "Squeeze" was a synonym for "stable". Of course, I was wrong. :) |
| 15:28.23 | jmcnaught | Voyager82: this sums it up: https://www.debian.org/releases/index.en.html |
| 15:28.41 | fryguy | Voyager82: back when you installed squeeze, that was probably the case |
| 15:28.48 | Voyager82 | JordiGH, I thought you were trying to convince me to install a "less stable" version of Linux. Now I understand my mistake. :D |
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| 15:31.22 | Voyager82 | fryguy, I thought that they were "strict" synonyms. This was my serious mistake. :) Better late than never. This means that, switching to Wheezy, I will switch to software that is "verified" enough. :) |
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| 15:32.25 | pycoderf | hello all. i am using debian on my raspberry pi and i cannot seem to get iptables rules to restore automatically on reboot |
| 15:32.55 | abrotman | pycoderf: using what? |
| 15:33.32 | pycoderf | i added a line to /etc/network/interfaces stating pre-up iptables-restore /etc/network/iptables.rules |
| 15:33.35 | pycoderf | i reboot but no rules |
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| 15:34.17 | pycoderf | file is owned by root and permissions match interfaces |
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| 15:34.49 | joltcan | pycoderf: can you paste that interface stanca on paste.se or some other paste site? |
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| 15:35.02 | abrotman | pycoderf: you mean "/sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/network/iptables.rules" ? |
| 15:35.23 | pycoderf | abrotman: i did not write it like that but will try |
| 15:35.36 | joltcan | up /sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.up is what I do on lo |
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| 15:36.52 | petern_ | hmm, can i make "-c qemu:///system" the default when running virsh? |
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| 15:39.49 | petern_ | ah ha, yes. |
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| 15:44.41 | karlpinc | pycoderf: My personal preferenc is to use ferm for firewalling. YMMV. |
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| 15:49.24 | esakish | How much space does a default desktop install require? |
| 15:49.34 | abrotman | that depends on which desktop you choose |
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| 15:49.50 | esakish | KDE |
| 15:50.04 | esakish | I have a 4GB / in a vm |
| 15:50.07 | esakish | Not sure if its enough |
| 15:50.11 | abrotman | HUGE!!!! |
| 15:50.25 | abrotman | heh, probably at least 1GB .. perhaps a bit more |
| 15:50.31 | esakish | Ah |
| 15:50.39 | Twinkletoes_ | esakish: If it's a VM, and you've run out of space, just make the disk bigger |
| 15:50.49 | abrotman | not always an option .. |
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| 15:53.57 | pycoderf | so the last suggestion for iptables did not work |
| 15:54.08 | abrotman | mine? |
| 15:54.11 | pycoderf | yes |
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| 15:54.24 | abrotman | that should work, and is generally the suggested method .. what's the error? |
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| 15:55.22 | pycoderf | well the box didnt even get an ip this time |
| 15:55.36 | abrotman | that sounds like a different problem |
| 15:55.59 | TJ- | pycoderf: sounds like you may have introduced a syntax error into the network configuration |
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| 15:58.18 | pycoderf | weird i cannot find the error in my file. can no longer copy/paste as it has no network |
| 15:58.59 | pycoderf | ok got back in |
| 15:59.44 | pycoderf | http://pastebin.com/5xkUweu3 |
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| 16:00.18 | pycoderf | for some reason i need the default line at the bottom even though i only have one connection |
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| 16:04.00 | TJ- | pycoderf: You're missing an "auto eth0" |
| 16:04.10 | pycoderf | i guess it is not a big deal for the moment but my update issue is |
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| 16:09.48 | esakish | Is it OK to make a username called "user"? |
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| 16:10.02 | esakish | I try usermod -a -G sudo user, but it doesn't work |
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| 16:10.11 | zxd | with udev is it possible to , I have two identical usb wifi devices and I want to load each one with a different module they sit on different usb addresses different usb ports |
| 16:10.29 | daniel__ | I'm getting an error message saying " libgdbm3:i386 : Breaks: libgdbm3 (!= 1.8.3-12+b1) but 1.8.3-12 is installed" when trying to upgrade. Seems to be this bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=753011 but meanwhile I can't install anything. What can I do? |
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| 16:11.52 | trebor_dki | hello. i bought a new laptop (Acer Aspire E3-111) - Debian7.5 does not support wifi/acpi, but Debian8 seems to. I only tested it with liveCDs right now (debian7.5-live-non-free, sparkylinux (jessie/sid). does anyone have expirience with installed sparkylinux/jessie? |
| 16:12.17 | jhutchins | esakish: Probably not a good idea. |
| 16:12.25 | esakish | Why not? |
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| 16:13.23 | jhutchins | esakish: Generic default names like that are easy to guess, easy to confuse, and might be used by applications as generic placeholders. |
| 16:13.32 | esakish | Ah |
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| 16:14.06 | jhutchins | esakish: THere is usually a group named "users" that is the default group on some systems. |
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| 16:15.51 | esakish | "usermod -a -G sudo user1" doesn't work :/ |
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| 16:15.58 | fx11 | hi |
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| 16:16.31 | helena | E: Cannot install into target '/mnt' mounted with noexec or nodev |
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| 16:18.59 | esakish | cat /etc/group shows "sudo:x:27:user1", but running "groups" on the user's terminal doesn't show it |
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| 16:19.37 | fx11 | how to up wifi on fresh installed deb from mini.iso without eth connection? |
| 16:19.39 | themill | esakish: did you log out and then log back in? |
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| 16:19.45 | esakish | :/ no |
| 16:19.47 | deepblue | how to run the md5 check test? |
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| 16:21.56 | esakish | deepblue, md5sum |
| 16:22.50 | deepblue | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.59 | petn-randall | fx11: What is the problem you see? Probably you need firmware for you wifi. Try the non-free installer with firmware. |
| 16:24.35 | fx11 | <petn-randall> iwlist it's from wireless-tools? |
| 16:24.46 | jhutchins | helena: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 16:25.49 | helena | jhutchins: I want to use debootstrap to install a wheezy base system onto the root of a vfat partition. |
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| 16:26.04 | fx11 | ah, I see |
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| 16:27.04 | abrotman | helena: a vfat? |
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| 16:27.27 | karlpinc | VFAT! For those who like the exciting life! |
| 16:27.40 | helena | abrotman: /dev/sdb4: UUID="7ADE-06B8" TYPE="vfat" |
| 16:27.54 | deepblue | http://dpaste.com/0TASTCM ,how to fix this? |
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| 16:28.39 | abrotman | helena: not likely to work, good luck |
| 16:28.46 | fx11 | so, I need install wireless tools, but how without connection |
| 16:28.55 | fx11 | :< |
| 16:29.01 | helena | abrotman: Then how do I work around it? |
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| 16:29.53 | abrotman | not use vfat? |
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| 16:30.18 | helena | abrotman: But mkdiskimage created that vfat partition. |
| 16:30.27 | TheWarden | hello |
| 16:30.34 | abrotman | helena: fine, do what youw ant ... you're on your own |
| 16:32.17 | daniel__ | I'm getting an error message saying " libgdbm3:i386 : Breaks: libgdbm3 (!= 1.8.3-12+b1) but 1.8.3-12 is installed" when trying to upgrade. Seems to be this bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=753011 but meanwhile I can't install anything. What can I do? |
| 16:33.08 | petn-randall | fx11: Yes, it is. |
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| 16:34.42 | Brigo | daniel__, are you in jessie? |
| 16:35.23 | skilz | Anyone know a good alarm program? |
| 16:35.33 | skilz | Preferably GUI |
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| 16:35.48 | daniel__ | Brigo, I am. |
| 16:35.52 | helena | Ewww GUI!!! |
| 16:36.02 | helena | GUI is for Windows users |
| 16:36.06 | skilz | Ewww ya face |
| 16:36.15 | helena | Ewww urs too |
| 16:36.18 | Brigo | daniel__, so you should ask in #debian-next channel on OFTC server |
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| 16:37.04 | daniel__ | Brigo, Thanks, had no idea. |
| 16:37.06 | Eyes | how do you even |
| 16:37.09 | Eyes | get a non-gui alaram |
| 16:37.18 | Brigo | daniel__, for your problem: you will need to remove that package or wait for a new version |
| 16:37.32 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm trying to figure out how to implement a cluster with Debian. Would anyone have some good resources to read up on this subject? I'm going to have Apache HTTPD, MySQL and the file system as resources. |
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| 16:38.26 | daniel__ | Brigo, How come I can't install anything else until that is fixed without removing it? |
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| 16:39.05 | Brigo | daniel__, or you can remove it. |
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| 16:41.11 | daniel__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:42.17 | Brigo | daniel__, yes, you can not install any packages. The database is broken about a package you are using. |
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| 16:42.52 | Brigo | daniel__, it will be fixed soon (may be the new package has yet on the incoming repos) |
| 16:43.07 | daniel__ | Brigo, thanks. I was told that I could try pin it to a previous version, but can't find how. |
| 16:43.18 | fryguy | daniel__: packages exist as a group, and all of their dependencies are linked. because something is broken, apt treats it like everything is broken because it can't be sure what to do (if it did know, then it wouldn't be broken). if you think you are smarter than apt in this situation, you can try force installing things |
| 16:43.50 | Brigo | !tell daniel__ about pin |
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| 16:46.00 | daniel__ | fryguy, Brigo thanks. But how do I know which previous version to install? There only seems to be libgdbm3-11 (i have -12) from stable. Should that be it? |
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| 16:46.47 | Brigo | ,v libgdbm3 |
| 16:46.48 | judd | Package: libgdbm3 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.8.3-9; wheezy: 1.8.3-11; jessie: 1.8.3-12+b1; sid: 1.8.3-12+b1 |
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| 16:47.25 | Brigo | download from 1.8.3-12+b1; to 1.8.3-11 i think is ok |
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| 16:47.45 | Brigo | it is the fewer ... |
| 16:48.15 | skilz | Whats a good wireless cracking tool to test the security of my network? |
| 16:48.34 | ske14 | nmap |
| 16:48.41 | skilz | For wifi |
| 16:48.49 | skilz | To see if I can find the key |
| 16:49.57 | petn-randall | jsz: aircrack-ng? |
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| 16:50.02 | jsz | Ok |
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| 16:50.12 | Brigo | jsz wifite is easy to use |
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| 16:50.21 | petn-randall | jsz: Are you using WPA/WPA2, or WEP? |
| 16:50.29 | jsz | WPA |
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| 16:51.02 | petn-randall | Then there's only brute force to crack it. If you have a passphrase that's not easily guessable, you're safe. |
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| 16:51.28 | jsz | and WPA2? |
| 16:51.39 | jsz | Same I guess |
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| 16:52.47 | daniel__ | Brigo, Thanks. That did it. |
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| 16:54.45 | Brigo | daniel__, yw :) |
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| 16:58.25 | esakish | Will Debain 8 use MiB (1024*1024) when partitioning, rather than MB (1000*1000)? |
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| 17:01.57 | Brigo | esakish, try ask it in #debian-next on OFTC server |
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| 17:06.50 | esakish | Does Debian have package groups? e.g. apt-get install compress-tools, or something like that? |
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| 17:07.04 | esakish | Bit annoying having to install each specific package... |
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| 17:10.48 | ske14 | Yes/no. Most of "package groups" must either be maintained as one large package or is found via forums, etc. |
| 17:10.55 | lotherk | debian has some virtual packages, kde-plasma-desktop which would install a minimal kde desktop but I am not aware of a virtual package for compress tools. |
| 17:11.12 | esakish | Ah |
| 17:11.17 | lotherk | what are you missing that isn't installed by default? |
| 17:11.53 | petn-randall | ske14: You install random packages via forums? I wouldn't do that, nor recommend that. |
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| 17:13.52 | ske14 | petn-randall: What's wrong with installing a combination of packages via bash command? |
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| 17:15.34 | jhutchins | petn-randall: I think he means you find the names of the packages by researching what you want to do on forums, then install what you need via dpkg. |
| 17:15.43 | jhutchins | s/dpkg/apt |
| 17:15.49 | petn-randall | ske14: Copy/pasting commands from websites is a big no-no, with javascript and LTR/RTL marking you can "hide" arbitrary commands in the cut buffer. |
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| 17:18.13 | ske14 | petn-randall: Even with JavaScript disabled? |
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| 17:21.50 | daswort | i got >1300 updates for my DPTS rss-feeds. Did they change something or is my feed reader the problem? anybody experienced the same? |
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| 17:23.48 | karlpinc | ske14: If you want to know what's wrong with installing random package combinations see footnote 1 of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
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| 17:25.19 | Voyager82 | What is the difference, in a repository, between the "main" packages, and the "contrib" packages? |
| 17:26.04 | ske14 | karlpinc: Thanks! |
| 17:26.15 | GNU\colossus | does anyone of you in here use an mtp-tools or jmptfs to access an Android phone's MTP storage? |
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| 17:27.52 | bbtech | What tool can I use to modify pdf text on debian wheezy? |
| 17:27.59 | daswort | Voyager82, contribs contains packages that are free but that depends on proprietary software. |
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| 17:28.47 | Voyager82 | daswort, then, what does "non-free" mean? Is this "strictly" "non-free" software? Software protected by copyright? |
| 17:29.03 | jhutchins | !non-free |
| 17:29.04 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 17:29.06 | daswort | Voyager82, all software is protected by copyright |
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| 17:29.18 | daswort | !contrib |
| 17:29.18 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
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| 17:30.39 | daswort | bbtech, pdfedit or "master pdf editor" commercial and proprietary obviously not in the repo. |
| 17:31.20 | bbtech | daswort, yeah, those were the two I found and neither install on wheezy. :-( |
| 17:31.23 | daswort | bbtech, i see the linux version is free (as beer) for non-commercial use. |
| 17:31.39 | Voyager82 | !DFSG |
| 17:31.41 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 17:31.42 | sommarnatt | Is there anyway to get kernel images from security / proposed-updates during a preseed of wheezy? My SATA drives arent found during install in 7.5 but they're found in 7.4. Fix lies in deb7u1 which hasn't made it to normal repo yet |
| 17:31.58 | Voyager82 | !non-free |
| 17:31.59 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 17:32.01 | sommarnatt | (im using pxeboot) |
| 17:32.31 | SynrG | bbtech: the best solution is to modify the source document that produced the pdf |
| 17:32.36 | Voyager82 | daswort, I think I understand, although it seems to be a "subtle" difference. :) |
| 17:32.46 | daswort | Voyager82, if you want to query the bot a lot, then please to a query. "/query dpkg" is the IRC-command. |
| 17:32.57 | SynrG | bbtech: pdf is not really intended to be edited (except for the corner case of forms, a formally supported extension) |
| 17:33.15 | Voyager82 | Ok. I'm sorry, daswort. |
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| 17:34.24 | bbtech | SynrG, but there is still a use case for editing them and adobe has a product specifically for it. |
| 17:34.24 | GNU\colossus | oh this is great. |
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| 17:34.35 | GNU\colossus | the fucking library release that's available for wheezy is buggy. |
| 17:34.41 | daswort | bbtech, downloaded the tar.gz of the prop. tool on testing and it works fine. Can you please run the "master-pdf-editor" command in the terminal and give us the output via a paste service? |
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| 17:35.04 | daswort | !paste |
| 17:35.05 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:35.16 | bbtech | daswort, ./master-pdf-editor: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by ./master-pdf-editor) |
| 17:35.23 | sommarnatt | Wheezy is buggy for sure.. was hoping i'd see update1 out.. |
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| 17:35.49 | daswort | bbtech, so you have 64bit and downloaded the 64bit version? |
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| 17:35.53 | SynrG | bbtech: i'm sure adobe is quite happy to take your money ... |
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| 17:36.07 | SynrG | it doesn't change how the damned things are designed :) |
| 17:36.13 | bbtech | daswort, yup, Linux brett-debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:36.43 | bbtech | daswort, downloaded MasterPDFEditor-1.9.25.x86_64.tar.gz |
| 17:37.33 | daswort | bbtech, which version of libc do you have? Does wheezy have? I think a symlink should fix your problem. |
| 17:37.48 | SynrG | i doubt it |
| 17:37.55 | SynrG | ,v libc6 |
| 17:37.56 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u2; jessie: 2.19-4; sid: 2.19-4 |
| 17:38.28 | bbtech | ldd (Debian EGLIBC 2.13-38+deb7u1) 2.13 |
| 17:38.31 | bbtech | yup |
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| 17:41.08 | daswort | bbtech, http://code-industry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=75 sorry |
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| 17:41.43 | bbtech | daswort, sad, guess I will have to fire up a virtual machine for this task |
| 17:41.50 | bbtech | daswort, thanks for trying |
| 17:42.09 | ioudas | Hi, I have a debian wheezy install on a jetway (intel nm10 chipset) that will randomly kernel panic. The panic is in module drm for intel graphics. When i view the kern.log shows an error message of drm registered panic notifier. Does anyone have ideas on how to solve this? does anyone know where theres is an emgd download for debian? |
| 17:42.10 | daswort | bbtech, so what is the problem with pdfedit? |
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| 17:43.05 | bbtech | daswort, package isn't available via aptitude |
| 17:43.13 | bbtech | daswort, http://sourceforge.net/p/pdfedit/mailman/pdfedit-support/thread/20120717152843.GG4352@tiehlicka.suse.cz/ |
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| 17:45.38 | GNU\colossus | yay, there's a backports release of the library that actually works |
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| 17:45.40 | GNU\colossus | praise Debian |
| 17:45.41 | GNU\colossus | praise bpo |
| 17:45.43 | GNU\colossus | :^) |
| 17:45.53 | daswort | bbtech, debs are in squeeze and unstable. Or you could compile it. Or use a testing VM for the other program. |
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| 17:46.50 | bbtech | daswort, hmm, maybe I have forgotten how to search testing (I know I set it up a while back) |
| 17:46.52 | bbtech | daswort, sudo aptitude -t testing search pdfedit |
| 17:47.19 | daswort | bbtech, it is not in stable or testing! |
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| 17:47.30 | bbtech | oops you said unstable |
| 17:47.50 | bbtech | sudo aptitude -t unstable search pdfedit |
| 17:47.53 | bbtech | no results |
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| 17:48.07 | SynrG | er? |
| 17:49.15 | SynrG | probably due to lack of unstable in /etc/apt/sources.list? (not that I'm recommending you add it ... are you on stable? you don't mix stable and testing/unstable) |
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| 17:49.31 | SynrG | ,v pdfedit |
| 17:49.32 | judd | Package: pdfedit on i386 -- squeeze: 0.4.5-1 |
| 17:49.33 | daswort | only for m68k in unstable, sorry overlooked that. Use the squeeze then there is a amd64 version. |
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| 17:50.35 | SynrG | back to my original assertion: pdf doesn't want you to edit it! (except adobe, who will happily take your money to do that, but on wheezy? no soup for you) |
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| 17:50.58 | SynrG | is there really that much of a problem getting the source document? |
| 17:51.01 | sommarnatt | Anyone use apt-cacher-ng? Is it possible to add packages from security repo and have them being used instead of the ones from stable? |
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| 17:53.08 | sommarnatt | Silly preseed, i might give up haha.. |
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| 17:53.23 | sommarnatt | and do it the manual way |
| 17:53.44 | sommarnatt | install 7.4 from iso and then update to 7.5 + security |
| 17:53.53 | sommarnatt | so my drives are found |
| 17:53.54 | bbtech | daswort, SynrG, I think I'll just stick to Adobe via Windows virtual machine for now. Thanks for the help! |
| 17:54.46 | subz3r0 | hi guys |
| 17:54.46 | jhutchins | bbtech: There are several tools that can sometimes work (including vi), but even the Adobe editor won't work on all pdfs. |
| 17:54.57 | subz3r0 | hope you can help... since im at the end of my knowledge |
| 17:55.28 | jhutchins | bbtech: The Officially Correct method from Adobe is to edit the original document and re-convert it. |
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| 17:55.55 | daswort | bbtech, if you have the option that is probably a good solution. :) too bad. |
| 17:56.40 | subz3r0 | I have two HDDs. one got 3 partitions a' 300+gb. all paritions were NTFS. i moved all the data to a 2tb disk(ext4). formated the old disk with those 3 paritions that it has only one (ext4) |
| 17:56.53 | subz3r0 | now i cannot copy all the data to the old disk with one partition... not enough space |
| 17:57.09 | subz3r0 | "df -h" shows me this |
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| 17:57.23 | subz3r0 | 917G 607G 265G |
| 17:57.27 | jhutchins | bbtech: http://www.wikihow.com/Edit-PDF-Files-in-Linux-Using-GIMP |
| 17:57.29 | subz3r0 | all - used - free |
| 17:57.32 | subz3r0 | any ideas? |
| 17:57.37 | fx11 | guys |
| 17:57.42 | subz3r0 | since 917-607 is not 265 |
| 17:57.46 | bbtech | jhutchins, yeah, there are times I don't have access to the original document and typically the Adobe editor will make the edits I need. |
| 17:58.25 | jhutchins | bbtech: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDF_software#Editors_2 |
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| 17:59.57 | subz3r0 | anyone? |
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| 18:00.09 | cesurasean1 | how do i check to see if im running a 64 bit kernel? |
| 18:00.15 | fx11 | I have machine with deb installation now, can I connect to it with another machine? |
| 18:00.16 | jhutchins | bbtech: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfedit/ |
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| 18:00.35 | subz3r0 | kernel: uname -a |
| 18:00.36 | jhutchins | bbtech: Evince is supposed to be adding editing capability at some point. |
| 18:00.38 | mhoney | cesurasean1, uname -a |
| 18:00.54 | bbtech | jhutchins, gimp is an interesting idea but doesn't really allow editing the text just deleting the text image and putting new text on top. |
| 18:01.08 | bbtech | jhutchins, that will be nice when evince has support |
| 18:01.19 | cesurasean1 | mhoney, Linux server 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux , is this 64bit? |
| 18:01.28 | esakish | No |
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| 18:02.01 | jhutchins | fx11: How do you want to connect? |
| 18:02.07 | mhoney | no |
| 18:02.25 | fx11 | jhutchins: like ssh |
| 18:02.47 | jhutchins | bbtech: Same approach as gimp using inkscape. Evince might already have some features. |
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| 18:03.21 | jhutchins | fx11: You need to install/start openssh-server for inbound connections, ssh client should be instealled (if not, install it). |
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| 18:04.12 | bbtech | jhutchins, evince doesn't have anything in version 3.4 |
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| 18:04.32 | jhutchins | bbtech: I printed a PDF for a signature this morning, scanned it, it went from 90K to 2.8M. |
| 18:05.03 | bbtech | jhutchins, sounds about right |
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| 18:05.27 | jhutchins | bbtech: Difference is the first was a genuine text-and-vector PDF, the second was a single image. |
| 18:05.28 | fx11 | jhutchins: currently being installed deb os, I wanted connect to this installation if possible |
| 18:05.28 | bbtech | jhutchins, docusign might have saved a few steps there |
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| 18:05.50 | jhutchins | fx11: ok. |
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| 18:06.21 | subz3r0 | no1 an idea about my hdd issue? |
| 18:06.32 | jhutchins | bbtech: Yeah, I don't have to do it often enough to mess with it. I have signature files somewhere... |
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| 18:07.01 | fx11 | jhutchins: it is possible? |
| 18:07.44 | Voyager82 | When I upgrade software, is it always advisable to execute "apt-get upgrade >> test.txt", in order to keep trace of any problem? |
| 18:07.46 | jhutchins | :03 < jhutchins> fx11: You need to install/start openssh-server for inbound connections, ssh client should be instealled (if not, install it). |
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| 18:08.28 | jhutchins | Voyager82: THere are various logs in /var/log that may contain what you want. |
| 18:08.50 | Voyager82 | I understand, jhutchins. |
| 18:08.55 | jhutchins | fx11: Do you need help following that? |
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| 18:09.40 | fx11 | jhutchins: nope |
| 18:09.57 | Voyager82 | I didn't try. I've had some problems upgrading my system. I'm trying with "apt-get dist-upgrade --fix-missing", that was suggested by the install procedure. |
| 18:10.33 | jhutchins | fx11: I'm actually on a work laptop on their LAN, connected to my home PC via ssh and running irssi in screen. |
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| 18:13.00 | fx11 | <jhutchins> I'm sorry, but you didt understand my question |
| 18:14.20 | jhutchins | fx11: Ok. |
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| 18:17.27 | acidfu | Hi, I'd like to enable coredump on debian 7, anyone could point me a tutorial I can read please, thank you. |
| 18:17.29 | X-Sleepy-X | Voyager82: Are you upgrading from Squeeze to Wheezy? |
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| 18:17.54 | Voyager82 | X-Sleepy-X, I am. Why? |
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| 18:19.34 | X-Sleepy-X | Voyager82: This page covers pretty much everything about doing so: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html |
| 18:19.45 | X-Sleepy-X | Voyager82: But perhaps you already know about it. |
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| 18:21.16 | Voyager82 | X-Sleepy-X, don't presume. :) However, yes. I took a look at that, but not too closely. I don't remember any mention of the option "--fix-missing". |
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| 18:22.00 | lsblakk | rebooted and suddenly am no longer booting up to a windowed login |
| 18:22.29 | lsblakk | not sure if my inittab got altered or what |
| 18:22.53 | X-Sleepy-X | Voyager82: I'm not sure what that command does but maybe apt-get -f install would achieve the same? |
| 18:23.09 | lsblakk | any help for getting back to gui? |
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| 18:23.43 | jhutchins | lsblakk: What did you do in the session prior to rebooting (and why did you reboot)? |
| 18:24.02 | lsblakk | i was having issues with bluetooth |
| 18:24.09 | lsblakk | not getting audio through headphones |
| 18:24.11 | lsblakk | couldn't open settings |
| 18:24.14 | Voyager82 | I did. It did nothing. When I did "apt-get dist-upgrade", apt-get couldn't locate certain packages, but said that "--fix-missing" could solve the problem. I'm trying so. |
| 18:24.17 | lsblakk | (either system or bluetooth) |
| 18:24.22 | jhutchins | !ru |
| 18:24.24 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 18:25.07 | jhutchins | lsblakk: Did you install anything new? What kind of video card do you have? |
| 18:25.19 | lsblakk | it's an x1 carbon thinkpad |
| 18:25.35 | lsblakk | i also lost evolution a little while ago |
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| 18:25.41 | lsblakk | so was downloading thunderbird |
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| 18:25.49 | SynrG | "lost"? |
| 18:25.49 | lsblakk | mostly have been trying to set up python and virtualenv |
| 18:25.52 | jhutchins | lsblakk: That doesn't sound good, things shouldn't just disappear. |
| 18:25.56 | lsblakk | well, it quit on me and wouldn't relaunch |
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| 18:26.07 | lsblakk | and then it wasn't in the activities options anymore |
| 18:26.08 | jhutchins | lsblakk: Are you logged into the console now? |
| 18:26.10 | lsblakk | ya |
| 18:26.42 | SynrG | lsblakk: let's see "apt-cache policy" |
| 18:26.44 | jhutchins | lsblakk: I would suggest that you start with a disk check, shutdown -Fr now will reboot the system and check the disks pre-mount. |
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| 18:27.12 | Voyager82 | X-Sleepy-X, have you encountered my smae problem? |
| 18:27.39 | lsblakk | jhutchins: ok, will do that |
| 18:28.12 | jhutchins | lsblakk: After that, maybe aptitude -f install. Both need to be run as root. |
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| 18:28.36 | lsblakk | i was having some problems with building package list on updates - some launchpad ppa weren't resolving for wheezy/main |
| 18:28.40 | karlpinc | lsblakk: (Might not hurt to check the ram hardware with memtest86+, but I've not been following along so don't take this advice unconditionally.) |
| 18:28.54 | lsblakk | can't execute kdm |
| 18:28.56 | SynrG | lsblakk: launchpad ppa, wtf? |
| 18:28.58 | X-Sleepy-X | Voyager82: I haven't, atleast not that I can remember. What did the message you got say in its whole? |
| 18:29.01 | lsblakk | (flew by) |
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| 18:29.14 | SynrG | lsblakk: i really would be interested to see 'apt-cache policy' at http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 18:29.37 | lsblakk | hm. can i paste from the command line somehow? |
| 18:29.42 | SynrG | !nopaste |
| 18:29.43 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 18:29.48 | lsblakk | ah, thanks :) |
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| 18:30.15 | Voyager82 | X-Sleepy-X, there were many packages that apt-get coudn't find in the servers. I don't know why. There were many packages. (more than 20, perhaps.) And it said to try with --fix-missing, |
| 18:30.21 | X-Sleepy-X | lsblakk: and for mouse support in the cli u can install gdm |
| 18:30.56 | X-Sleepy-X | lsblakk: sorry strike that it was a typo |
| 18:31.36 | X-Sleepy-X | lsblakk: gpm is the right package |
| 18:31.46 | lsblakk | SynrG: http://paste.debian.net/108008 |
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| 18:32.37 | SynrG | lsblakk: that's whacked ... |
| 18:32.41 | SynrG | lsblakk: so, basically you run sid |
| 18:32.46 | lsblakk | also http://paste.debian.net/108009 for inittab is that helps |
| 18:33.02 | ag4ve_ | i'm trying to write udev rules so that the consoles that are on these usb->serial 'hubs' are ordered the same each boot (and figured i'd do /dev/<machine name> while i was at it) |
| 18:33.08 | SynrG | lsblakk: see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for sid support. was it your intention to run sid? |
| 18:33.21 | SynrG | lsblakk: mixing squeeze, wheezy and sid repos is highly suspect |
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| 18:33.30 | lsblakk | i don't know what that is, but i think it came up when i was having trouble getting pip installed |
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| 18:33.44 | lsblakk | i kept having no dependencies or installables |
| 18:33.46 | SynrG | lsblakk: if it was not your intention to run sid, reinstall |
| 18:33.56 | lsblakk | :( |
| 18:34.00 | SynrG | lsblakk: in its current state, you'll have all kinds of strange problems |
| 18:34.00 | ag4ve_ | but, i'm not exactly sure what 'attrs' i'm looking for - i don't see 'ATTRS(model)' which most guides explain |
| 18:34.02 | lsblakk | ya |
| 18:34.06 | SynrG | lsblakk: and there's no downgrade path from where you are. |
| 18:34.12 | lsblakk | ok, that's good to know |
| 18:34.14 | SynrG | !downgrade |
| 18:34.14 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 18:34.16 | lsblakk | saves much time - thank you |
| 18:34.19 | SynrG | yep |
| 18:34.23 | SynrG | good luck. and sorry to hear |
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| 18:35.30 | lsblakk | aw well, i was only a few days into set up |
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| 18:36.11 | SynrG | you need to use backports with stable. mixing testing or sid is not supported and will wreck your stable system. |
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| 18:37.31 | MACscr | when i install items with apt-get such as rbd support, shouldnt it load the kernel modules or do i really have to manually add them to /etc/modules? |
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| 18:38.13 | centrx | MACscr, It should. I don't know about rbd. |
| 18:38.39 | MACscr | well it seemed i even had to do it with bonding too |
| 18:38.53 | MACscr | and support for ipmi |
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| 18:42.29 | itrekkie | Hey all, would anyone have any idea on how to install a duplicate copy of make (3.82) in jessie that can coexist with the 4.0 version? |
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| 18:50.38 | meek_geek | sup man |
| 18:50.42 | meek_geek | I ve a question |
| 18:50.57 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 18:50.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:51.11 | meek_geek | !ok |
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| 18:51.32 | meek_geek | jelly-home, any good youtube downlader ? |
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| 18:52.15 | Asiajey | meek_geek: youtube-dl works fine and updates often |
| 18:52.17 | jelly-home | meek_geek: dunno, I used cclive or youtube-dl but had to grab and backport a newer version of the former |
| 18:53.05 | Asiajey | meek_geek: also downloadhelper for iceweasel works good |
| 18:53.26 | jelly-home | history file says I'd used youtube-dl last |
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| 18:54.31 | adm001mi | hey all |
| 18:54.37 | meek_geek | cclive ? |
| 18:54.50 | meek_geek | I like smtube but we don't have it even in backports |
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| 18:56.26 | meek_geek | jelly-home, cclive is in main repo right ? |
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| 18:57.00 | jelly-home | meek_geek: both are. |
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| 18:57.04 | jelly-home | ,v cclive |
| 18:57.05 | judd | Package: cclive on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.3-1; wheezy: 0.7.9-1; jessie: 0.7.16-2+b1; sid: 0.7.16-2+b1 |
| 18:57.16 | jelly-home | ,v youtube-dl |
| 18:57.17 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; jessie: 2014.06.19-1; sid: 2014.06.19-1 |
| 18:57.32 | jelly-home | huh, no youtube-dl in wheezy and no backport either |
| 18:57.40 | meek_geek | ya |
| 18:57.44 | meek_geek | I just searched it |
| 18:58.08 | meek_geek | cclive works fine ? |
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| 18:58.43 | jelly-home | I couldn't grab 1080p with it |
| 18:59.07 | jelly-home | lower resolutions used to work |
| 18:59.28 | adm001mi | I got this very nice Toshiba L750D-15Z, I just returned from Ubuntu, and I'm back in the lane of Debian... which gives me overheating on the cpu and gpu... Before turning to Ubuntu for all the wrong reasons... I had the same issues but I overcame with some work... but just now I can't prevent the overheating anymore |
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| 19:01.26 | adm001mi | I retried installing cpufreq but no avail |
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| 19:16.47 | adm001mi | anyone experience with overheating quadcore laptops? |
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| 19:18.17 | karlpinc | adm001mi: I don't suppose there's non-free firmware involved? (Just guessing...) |
| 19:18.19 | phogg | adm001mi: Assume yes. What was your question? |
| 19:18.50 | phogg | karlpinc: fan control is also not always correct on all hardware by default |
| 19:19.05 | adm001mi | I have a quadcore which overheats simply after only running gnome for about 10 minutes |
| 19:19.20 | karlpinc | phogg: Kernel parameters set this? |
| 19:19.27 | meek_geek | jelly-home, Do you use tor? I noticed a strange new thing, i install the tor browser and the hexchat app; but the freenode won't connect via tor sasl until I tried for about 2 hours ( just retry ) ; but other networks connect in secs ; also it has been the same since last one year ; |
| 19:19.43 | adm001mi | I tried installing cpufreq, and it works a little bit... that's the extra 5 minutes so far... |
| 19:19.45 | phogg | karlpinc: The defaults? I expect so |
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| 19:20.01 | meek_geek | But Xubuntu connects freenode in secs and i never this issues even if i do fresh install for 20 times |
| 19:20.21 | adm001mi | karlpinc... it's a fresh install... and indeed theres non-free involved but firmware? dunno yet |
| 19:20.29 | karlpinc | phogg: You'd typically frob kernel parameters to get the fan right? |
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| 19:21.56 | karlpinc | phogg: (I'm talking the kernel boot line.) |
| 19:22.05 | phogg | karlpinc: not likely |
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| 19:22.27 | phogg | karlpinc: but I suppose it's possible (don't know for sure) |
| 19:22.32 | karlpinc | phogg: Thanks. Just curious, since it's not my problem. :) |
| 19:22.50 | adm001mi | karlpinc: no it is my problem, lol |
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| 19:23.28 | adm001mi | so does anyone have experience on this matter? |
| 19:24.33 | phogg | karlpinc: mostly you should use sensors/fancontrol, or knobs in /sys (I would think) |
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| 19:25.10 | adm001mi | how can i use that? |
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| 19:26.08 | phogg | adm001mi: which? |
| 19:26.24 | adm001mi | something which helps me with my problem |
| 19:26.42 | phogg | adm001mi: I've no idea what your problem is, so I don't know what will help |
| 19:26.55 | phogg | adm001mi: does it sound like your fans are perhaps not spinning or not spinning very fast? |
| 19:27.16 | adm001mi | they are spinning but out of the airvents comes plan hot air... |
| 19:27.16 | phogg | adm001mi: you could try monitoring fan speed and perhaps changing it if it seems wrong |
| 19:27.26 | dimitry7 | hey guys. I have a server which is responding PING for all servers except one... what it may be? |
| 19:27.46 | dimitry7 | tcpdump sees the request comming, but there is no reply going back.... |
| 19:28.11 | dimitry7 | there are no firewalls in the middle |
| 19:28.14 | phogg | dimitry7: an iptables rule on that box could be dropping the request before anything happens |
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| 19:28.36 | adm001mi | phogg: how can I monitor my fan speed? |
| 19:28.36 | phogg | dimitry7: iptables -L to get a list |
| 19:28.46 | dimitry7 | phogg, well, I can see the request comming in the tcpdump |
| 19:28.53 | phogg | adm001mi: outside my area of expertise. lmsensors perhaps? |
| 19:28.53 | dimitry7 | and I don't have IPtables enalbled |
| 19:29.20 | phogg | dimitry7: it's possible to disable ICMP echo by itself, though I don't recall where/how. Looked in to that? |
| 19:29.22 | eshlox | someone managed to run second display using hdmi on nvidia optimus? |
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| 19:30.00 | dimitry7 | phogg, yes it is a kernerl parameter... it is set to 1, enabled... and the weird thing is that it reponds pings to other 3 servers |
| 19:30.05 | dimitry7 | only one is not responding |
| 19:30.30 | phogg | dimitry7: so wait... you ping this server from 3 locations and it replies, but from another it doesn't reply? |
| 19:30.35 | dimitry7 | that that one is also responding pings from everywhere |
| 19:30.43 | phogg | dimitry7: and you're sure it's not the reply getting blocked on the way *back*? |
| 19:30.44 | dimitry7 | phogg, exactly! Just like that. |
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| 19:31.13 | dimitry7 | phogg, well... I don't know if something is blocking it, but there is no firewall at all |
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| 19:31.24 | dimitry7 | and tcpdump only gets the request |
| 19:31.52 | phogg | dimitry7: would tcpdump normally see the reply if it were being sent? (might need to test this) |
| 19:32.43 | dimitry7 | phogg, yes I do test with the other servers and it sees request from >> etc... and then reply from etc << |
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| 19:33.22 | adm001mi | who has experience with cpu scaling on debian and fan control? |
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| 19:34.32 | dimitry7 | phogg, this is totally weird |
| 19:34.41 | dimitry7 | phogg, I don't know where to look for clues or info |
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| 19:35.07 | dimitry7 | phogg, this is not a service-related issue, or network related because let me tell you that from server B I DO can ping A |
| 19:35.11 | phogg | dimitry7: this is where I go back to "dumb mode" and start carefully testing each step along the chain, even ones where I'm sure I know what's happening |
| 19:35.42 | dimitry7 | phogg, how do you explain that |
| 19:35.46 | lucido | where can I get a list of available multiarchs. I want to install a cross-compilation toolchain for the microcontroller that I#m developing for |
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| 19:35.51 | dimitry7 | server B is seeing server A, but A cant see B ? |
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| 19:36.03 | phogg | dimitry7: in principle everything makes sense, it's just a matter of stepping through the details until you figure out how |
| 19:36.04 | dimitry7 | server A, sees C, D, E |
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| 19:36.29 | phogg | dimitry7: could be a routing thing, could be some kind of interference, could be a lot of things |
| 19:36.33 | dimitry7 | phogg, I can't see which details may I chec |
| 19:36.42 | dimitry7 | phogg, well, that's right |
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| 19:37.22 | phogg | dimitry7: do you have fping or hping3? |
| 19:37.28 | dimitry7 | phogg, yes |
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| 19:37.44 | phogg | dimitry7: it's time to start sending individual packets and seeing where they will and will not go... or at least that's one thing I'd try |
| 19:38.02 | phogg | dimitry7: it would help also to know the topology |
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| 19:38.08 | dimitry7 | phogg, by the wah hping3 is an amazing tool... where can I find more of those rare commands??? hehe |
| 19:38.29 | phogg | dimitry7: I find them by apt-cache search ... (-; |
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| 19:38.31 | dimitry7 | phogg, ookay |
| 19:38.40 | dimitry7 | phogg, hehe good :-) |
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| 19:38.54 | dimitry7 | phogg, well that's a perfect startup I tried hping3 but it happens the same |
| 19:39.05 | dimitry7 | tcpdump is just capturing incomming requests |
| 19:39.10 | dimitry7 | it seems like |
| 19:39.10 | phogg | sorry, I must afk for RL things now... but good luck, keep asking |
| 19:39.27 | dimitry7 | phogg, good, thank you for your help man! |
| 19:39.52 | jhutchins | dimitry7: Is there a route to the other server from the one that's not replying? |
| 19:40.25 | jhutchins | dimitry7: If you originate the ping from the one that's not replying, does it work? |
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| 19:41.04 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, Hi man!!. Okay let's name them server A and B. From A, I cannot ping B. From B I can ping A |
| 19:41.21 | jhutchins | dimitry7: Try running nmap from each server. |
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| 19:41.30 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, okay |
| 19:41.48 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, any recommended option? |
| 19:41.54 | dimitry7 | I tried -PN, no results |
| 19:41.58 | jhutchins | dimitry7: This is to see if it's isolated to ping or a general routing problem. |
| 19:42.11 | dimitry7 | perfect!! |
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| 19:42.58 | jhutchins | dimitry7: Have you tried in #networking? |
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| 19:43.40 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, didn't know that channel existed hehe... I haven't. I will if these test don't work :-( |
| 19:44.34 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, nmap is stucked |
| 19:44.35 | jhutchins | dimitry7: I'm just hacking away at general possibilities, I don't know of anything specific that would cause this. I've had good luch on #networking. |
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| 19:44.50 | Sec | I would help you out, but I've missed out on everything you said so far, and it seems like a wall of text |
| 19:44.51 | jhutchins | dimitry7: Give it time, it scans thousands of possibilities. |
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| 19:45.06 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, okay perfec |
| 19:45.07 | dimitry7 | t |
| 19:45.26 | jhutchins | Sec: Basically A can ping B, but B can't ping A, although he sees the inbound packets at A. |
| 19:45.36 | dimitry7 | SYN Stealth Scan Timing: About 84.50% done; ETC: 14:45 (0:00:31 remaining) |
| 19:45.52 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, better explaned, impossible. |
| 19:45.56 | dimitry7 | * explained. |
| 19:46.00 | dimitry7 | It is just like that. |
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| 19:46.08 | Sec | nmap -sn -Pn IP.of.A.from.B |
| 19:46.17 | Sec | What is the OS on A and B? |
| 19:46.19 | dimitry7 | Sec, hello man! |
| 19:46.41 | Sec | Sup dimitry7 |
| 19:46.41 | jhutchins | dimitry7: Is this over wireless or wired? |
| 19:46.42 | dimitry7 | Sec, both are Debian Squeeze |
| 19:46.53 | Sec | Do that ^ |
| 19:47.06 | jhutchins | dimitry7: You will have had the lecture yesterday about upgrading squeeze. |
| 19:47.24 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, wired, through a direct link |
| 19:47.41 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, well, I can't |
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| 19:47.46 | dimitry7 | because we use slony |
| 19:48.09 | dimitry7 | and slony is not included in wheezy repos, so we'll be looking forward to Jessie, which includes it |
| 19:48.41 | dimitry7 | NMAP: All 1000 scanned ports on 192.168.12.254 are filtered |
| 19:49.04 | Sec | dimitry7: run this, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=eqgr1v1x and try pinging again |
| 19:49.04 | lucido | I'm following but I cant find the crossbuild packages |
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| 19:49.14 | lucido | https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers |
| 19:50.02 | dimitry7 | Sec, okay perfect |
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| 19:50.43 | Sec | and check this out |
| 19:50.44 | Sec | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-iptables-9-allow-icmp-ping.html |
| 19:51.05 | dimitry7 | Sec, oh man :-o, that's rude! let's do it!! |
| 19:51.06 | lsblakk | SynrG: hi again - i have a clean install of 7.5 now, but still boots into command line and not window |
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| 19:51.55 | SynrGy | lsblakk: probably just a video card driver |
| 19:52.00 | SynrGy | or firmware |
| 19:52.11 | SynrGy | lsblakk: lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
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| 19:53.13 | lsblakk | VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corp 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0166] (rev 09) |
| 19:53.23 | dimitry7 | Sec, wow, it worked!! But I can only see server B, which is the gateway /firewall... and I cannot see the LAN |
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| 19:54.27 | D3dalus | Hello to everyone |
| 19:54.28 | dimitry7 | server B is 192.168.12.254, one host in the LAN (which is UP) 192.168.12.2 |
| 19:54.37 | dimitry7 | and cannot see it from server A :-S |
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| 19:54.46 | francogrex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:56.38 | lsblakk | interestingly, i had the wifi firmware on a usb stick but the installer didn't let me find it |
| 19:56.40 | SynrG | lsblakk: sec, had to take a phonecall. back :) |
| 19:56.54 | lsblakk | but i suspect that might be part of the issue |
| 19:56.58 | Sec | dimitry7: you have your firewall rules messed up probably, do the same thing on the remaining servers and it should work fine |
| 19:57.00 | lsblakk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.11 | SynrG | ,pciid [8086:0166] |
| 19:57.14 | judd | [8086:0166] is '3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0166 |
| 19:57.22 | dimitry7 | Sec, I know man. Perfect!!!... well, what If I flush filter table too?? |
| 19:57.38 | dimitry7 | Sec, I am on SSH, might I cat disconnected? |
| 19:57.40 | dimitry7 | * get |
| 19:57.54 | SynrG | is that the only gpu? i guess also look for '3d controller' (some hybrid systems call the 2nd gpu that) |
| 19:58.02 | francogrex | anyone? |
| 19:58.08 | Sec | dimitry7: No, it's not restricting anything. But the flush is temporary, you might want to figure out what rules to keep before writing them. |
| 19:58.20 | Sec | Or they will revert when you reboot |
| 19:58.24 | SynrG | lsblakk: so you did not select desktop when you installed? |
| 19:58.24 | lsblakk | SynrG: ya, there's also [8086:1e3d] |
| 19:58.37 | lsblakk | i do not recall being asked for desktop |
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| 19:58.50 | SynrG | ,v [8086:1e3d] |
| 19:58.51 | judd | No package named '[8086:1e3d]' was found in i386. |
| 19:58.54 | Sec | dimitry7: next time use ufw or something, less of a pain in the arse |
| 19:58.55 | lsblakk | m |
| 19:58.55 | SynrG | argh. brain problems |
| 19:58.59 | SynrG | ,pciid [8086:1e3d] |
| 19:59.00 | lsblakk | i'm going to try installing again |
| 19:59.00 | judd | [8086:1e3d] is '7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family KT Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1e3d |
| 19:59.04 | dimitry7 | Sec, perfect!! ufw? |
| 19:59.05 | lsblakk | and watch more closely |
| 19:59.12 | lsblakk | also i did do 64 bit this time instead of last time |
| 19:59.16 | lsblakk | when i did the i386 |
| 19:59.16 | francogrex | erros I get is: I: Installing core packages... W: Failure trying to run: dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.13-38+deb7u1_armel.deb |
| 19:59.17 | SynrG | lsblakk: eh? doesn't look like a gpu ... |
| 19:59.26 | dimitry7 | Sec, man you've really saved my life!! Thank you!!! :-) |
| 19:59.32 | dimitry7 | Sec, so much!!! |
| 19:59.35 | lsblakk | SynrG: doh! that's a serial controller |
| 19:59.45 | dimitry7 | Sec, uncomplicated firewall... good :-) |
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| 19:59.53 | SynrG | lsblakk: matched on the pciid ;) |
| 19:59.58 | lsblakk | yup |
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| 20:00.26 | Sec | cheers mate |
| 20:00.59 | D3dalus | Is there someone who know how to change the ctrl+alt+del with another key sequencies ? |
| 20:01.06 | SynrG | lsblakk: you don't need to reinstall to get the desktop ... |
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| 20:01.26 | jhutchins | Sec: Good call, I though we had eliminated IP Tables. |
| 20:01.51 | Sec | Couldn't really be anything else jhutchins |
| 20:01.52 | SynrG | lsblakk: if you like installing for the experience of it, though, go for it :) but which desktop did you want? you can install it separately. |
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| 20:02.22 | jhutchins | Sec: Certainly nothing I know of. |
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| 20:03.29 | lsblakk | i think i was using kde |
| 20:03.34 | lsblakk | or kgm? |
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| 20:05.20 | Sec | KDE is a thing |
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| 20:06.29 | SynrG | lsblakk: and you want to reinstall that this time? you can just apt-get install task-kde-desktop |
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| 20:06.33 | SynrG | !install kde |
| 20:06.33 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". |
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| 20:06.42 | SynrG | humm, or that way |
| 20:06.49 | lsblakk | i don't have working wifi because i haven't got the firmware on there yet |
| 20:07.01 | lsblakk | not sure why, but the usb key doesn't seem to show up |
| 20:07.01 | SynrG | i see. and hence just a base system |
| 20:07.04 | lsblakk | oh wait |
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| 20:07.10 | lsblakk | in the reinstall, i am getting networks |
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| 20:07.21 | warcques | sup |
| 20:07.29 | lsblakk | oooh |
| 20:07.34 | lsblakk | i have internet on this round |
| 20:07.35 | SynrG | the unofficial firmware installer would get you up and running on network immediately |
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| 20:08.31 | SynrG | lsblakk: i gotta scoot. supper, then errands. but any number of others here ought to be able to help |
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| 20:08.49 | lsblakk | thanks SynrG |
| 20:09.01 | SynrG | np. later |
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| 20:10.36 | colonolGron | what exactly is the difference between vim-gtk and vim-gnome and vim-nox? |
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| 20:10.48 | francogrex | nobody has such a knowledge here? that's surprising |
| 20:10.59 | colonolGron | vim-nox support for script languages, "vim" package doesnt hav ethat? |
| 20:11.29 | Sec | Pretty much colonolGron, nox has a larger feature set |
| 20:11.39 | warcques | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.39 | warcques | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.43 | warcques | vim-nox |
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| 20:11.53 | colonolGron | where did you get that information warcques ? |
| 20:11.54 | warcques | others are different gooeys |
| 20:11.59 | warcques | apt-cache show vim-nox |
| 20:12.02 | colonolGron | Sec: so better use nox in this case :) |
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| 20:12.37 | Brigo | francogrex, what knowledge? |
| 20:12.39 | Sec | colonolGron: depends on the case. plain vim has worked well for me over the years |
| 20:12.52 | colonolGron | warcques: thanks, didnt know that command |
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| 20:13.20 | warcques | :) |
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| 20:14.13 | cesurasean1 | hey guys. when i boot my system, it goes to busybox because of UID of my harddrive, or something like that. I rsynced another server to this one, and forgot to exclude the grub files. so, i tried to boot into rescue mode, and reinstall grub, but grub-install /dev/sda fails. |
| 20:14.18 | cesurasean1 | how can i get my system running? |
| 20:14.22 | francogrex | Brigo: debootstrap --verbose --arch armel --foreign wheezy debian http://... get armv6 packages selectively |
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| 20:15.33 | Brigo | cesurasean, may be you have to configure you grub with the right UUID |
| 20:15.35 | cesurasean1 | anyone? |
| 20:15.45 | Brigo | s/you/your |
| 20:15.50 | cesurasean1 | Brigo, I copied over the grub files, so it has the old server's grub config. |
| 20:16.23 | cesurasean1 | why cant i reinstall grub from rescue mode, though? |
| 20:16.33 | Brigo | and what is the error? |
| 20:16.39 | cesurasean1 | just says it failed. |
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| 20:16.53 | cesurasean1 | this is a fatal error. |
| 20:16.57 | cesurasean1 | it's not specific enough. |
| 20:17.04 | Brigo | agree :/ |
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| 20:17.10 | meek_geek | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1AKIl_2GM |
| 20:17.16 | Brigo | may be uefi o so? |
| 20:17.28 | cesurasean1 | uefi o? |
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| 20:17.43 | Sec | If it's hitting grub it's not uefi |
| 20:17.49 | Sec | Need more details on error |
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| 20:18.03 | Brigo | i am wondering if you are using uefi or somethink like it :) |
| 20:18.05 | cesurasean1 | Sec, how do i get more details/ |
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| 20:18.20 | cesurasean1 | i may try ultimate boot disc to see if i can get into the system to reinstall grub. |
| 20:18.31 | Brigo | may be grub-install -v or may be in logs |
| 20:18.55 | Sec | cesurasean1: let me have a look, shouldn't be too complicated |
| 20:19.07 | cesurasean1 | exec format error. |
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| 20:20.25 | Sec | 32/64 bit mismatch? You sure you're using the same architecture as before? |
| 20:20.51 | cesurasean1 | yes |
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| 20:21.10 | cesurasean1 | ive tried both 64 and 32 bit versions. |
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| 20:21.52 | Sec | Just boot a live disk and edit the UIDs in in "/etc/fstab" and "/boot/grub/grub.cfg" |
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| 20:22.16 | Sec | or http://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair-cd/home/Home/ |
| 20:22.27 | cesurasean1 | perhaps the rescue disk is loading rescue mode in 32 bits? |
| 20:22.37 | Sec | Second one works most of the time |
| 20:22.45 | Sec | Try that first |
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| 20:28.05 | viccuad | Hi guys. I get an error '/usr/lib/apt/methods/https not found' when issuing a sudo apt-get update. The file does no longer exist!. I have reset the apt cache, but I keep having the error. I'm out of ideas. Any ideas? thanks in advance |
| 20:28.33 | viccuad | also, why does apt use the https method if all the entries in sources.list are only http? |
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| 20:30.37 | Nik05 | viccuad mine doesnt do that |
| 20:30.57 | viccuad | Nik05: mine didn't, until today |
| 20:31.05 | viccuad | I'm on Testing also |
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| 20:32.48 | viccuad | Ok, I downloaded and installed this .deb (https://packages.debian.org/jessie/apt-transport-https) |
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| 20:33.23 | viccuad | since I cannot use apt-get. Now, it goes through the sources but gets stuck at Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.spotify.com_dists_stable_non-free_i18n_Translation-es%5fES |
| 20:33.25 | viccuad | weird |
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| 20:35.24 | Nik05 | viccuad which mirror do you use? |
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| 20:36.56 | viccuad | Nik05: wow, you are going to kill me, but I have a mix of .de for stable and .dk for testing |
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| 20:37.17 | ompaul | viccuad: mixing stable and testing is the real crime |
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| 20:37.26 | viccuad | no, sorry, .dk for stable and .de testing |
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| 20:37.53 | viccuad | ompaul: could you explain that please? if the packages in testing are more up to date, what is the problem? |
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| 20:38.03 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 20:38.04 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 20:38.33 | babilen | viccuad: Mixing releases is totally unsupported and will, eventually, cause very tricky problems. You should *either* tracke stable (+ backports) or testing (+ unstable) |
| 20:38.41 | babilen | *track |
| 20:38.57 | viccuad | :( |
| 20:39.08 | viccuad | I'm ashamed |
| 20:39.08 | ompaul | viccuad: given you have exposed your box to testing you should shut off the stable repos, and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and get over the problems |
| 20:39.22 | ompaul | viccuad: that or reinstall |
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| 20:39.25 | ompaul | your call |
| 20:39.32 | viccuad | ompaul: thanks, will try testing only |
| 20:39.39 | ompaul | but if the first option doesn't work |
| 20:39.44 | ompaul | btw that was apt-get |
| 20:39.45 | viccuad | I really thought using stable and testing was correct |
| 20:39.48 | ompaul | and do it outside of X |
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| 20:40.05 | ompaul | viccuad: the bad news you now know. |
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| 20:40.46 | ompaul | viccuad: service gdm stop or service kdm stop as root clean up repos, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade <<< not something / anything else |
| 20:41.02 | ompaul | viccuad: and if you have already broken it beyond use ... a clean install and backports is more rational |
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| 20:41.14 | viccuad | ompaul: thanks, I will get out of X |
| 20:41.29 | viccuad | I really wanted testing, I'm aware that it can break |
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| 20:42.30 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI1 | is there a way to run dpkg-reconfigure for another package inside some package's postinst script? |
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| 20:43.43 | viccuad | I'm on Testing also |
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| 20:47.00 | viccuad | ompaul: it worked! on testing now, I suppose |
| 20:47.02 | viccuad | thanks :) |
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| 20:49.48 | babilen | viccuad: You probbaly want to read <sid faq> the <debian handbook> chapter on the lifecycle of a release. I'd also recommend to consider running a testing/unstable mix (cf. <tum>) as that allows you to deal with bugs and package removals in a more informed way. Andlast but not least: testing is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:49.58 | some-cowbell | Is there something I can add, maybe to my kde setup, so that when I print anything, I can have it scaled? |
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| 20:50.24 | viccuad | babilen: thanks |
| 20:50.45 | babilen | ("/msg dpkg foo" for <foo>) |
| 20:51.02 | babilen | I strongly recommend to install apt-listbugs :) |
| 20:51.10 | viccuad | I have it installed |
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| 20:58.06 | JyZyXEL | i need to have free space on my VG if i want to use LVM snapshots? |
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| 21:01.27 | Brigo | JyZyXEL, yes |
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| 21:04.05 | JyZyXEL | aww ext4 does not online shrink |
| 21:05.28 | JyZyXEL | guess it would be a better idea to start with smaller ext4 LV's and leave plenty of un-used space in the VG and assign it to the LV's as needed |
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| 21:06.46 | Brigo | JyZyXEL, it looks smart for me :) |
| 21:08.39 | JyZyXEL | Brigo: when i installed the system i just went ahead and divided the free space evenly among all the different partitions /, /var/www, /home and now i don't have any room for snapshots or any room for one of the partitions to grow |
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| 21:09.44 | JyZyXEL | i desperately need to take some space away from / and give it to /home :D |
| 21:09.52 | Brigo | JyZyXEL, and you canno umount /home at least? |
| 21:10.04 | JyZyXEL | well i can not unmount /, thats for sure |
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| 21:10.44 | JyZyXEL | i probably just have to boot in single user mode or with a live cd |
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| 21:11.10 | Brigo | JyZyXEL, with a live cd, in single-user mode / gets mounted -i think- |
| 21:11.52 | JyZyXEL | i thought single user mode was just the kind of place where you could do this kind of maintenance? |
| 21:12.03 | JyZyXEL | another alternative is the initrd busybox i imagine |
| 21:12.20 | JyZyXEL | could even rig it to do networking perhaps |
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| 21:13.05 | Brigo | and initrd busybox will can shrink the partition? |
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| 21:13.42 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: gparted can resize partitions and can effectively "move" space between two partitions if they are adjacent. |
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| 21:14.16 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: If you're going to mess with partitions, you want a full backup anyway (human oops factor if nothing else), and once you have that it's often quicker to just repartition and restore. |
| 21:14.28 | toe | hi. got a quick question: where can i find the "ldif" tool? it is neither part of ldap-utils nor slapd. it also cannot be found through packages.debian.org |
| 21:14.44 | toe | i am not sure if this is directly debian related |
| 21:15.08 | toe | any hints? |
| 21:15.11 | JyZyXEL | jhutchins: better to use lvm |
| 21:15.27 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: Um, that "assign space as needed" plan ... wow. That's setting up a real potential for disaster. |
| 21:15.42 | JyZyXEL | hows that? |
| 21:15.44 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI1 | toe: apt-file update && apt-file find ldif |
| 21:15.54 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI1 | *apt-file find bin/ldif |
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| 21:16.07 | toe | IlIlIlIlIlIlI1: no results |
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| 21:16.23 | toe | some files with .ldif endings, but no executable/scripts |
| 21:16.24 | JyZyXEL | i wouldn't be surprised if that is a very common practice |
| 21:16.33 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: Joining random blocks of disk together as pseudo partitions. |
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| 21:16.48 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: Just because it can be done doesn't make it a good idea. |
| 21:17.06 | JyZyXEL | thats what lvm is all about |
| 21:17.14 | toe | apt-file find ldif | egrep "/ldif$" # is what i did earlier. no results. |
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| 21:17.39 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: Which is one of the many reasons I don't like it. |
| 21:17.59 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI1 | toe: if it was supposed to be a binary, I usually just search for bin/ldif |
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| 21:18.05 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI1 | in this case, it seems it's not present |
| 21:18.07 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: I've seen too many of it's predecessors and too much of how disk hardware works. |
| 21:18.15 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI1 | but I don't have sid repos here |
| 21:18.48 | JyZyXEL | jhutchins: interesting, i was under the impression lvm2 is pretty solid and popular technology at this point |
| 21:19.07 | toe | i basically searched for files named ldif in any folder, not only .../bin -- but no success |
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| 21:19.41 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: I've just never liked the idea of hard disk abstraction. One more thing to go wrong. |
| 21:20.18 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: Also, that plan is essentially manually fragmenting your drive/data. |
| 21:20.31 | JyZyXEL | does that really matter? |
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| 21:20.48 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: For all the reasons it always has. Performance and reliability. |
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| 21:21.02 | toe | apt-file find ldif | egrep "[^.]ldif$" # this one was better and found me some files. again no success for the tool i searched for |
| 21:21.35 | JyZyXEL | thats why i have SSDs that do really good random IOPS |
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| 21:22.46 | jhutchins | I think simpler is better, but we've drifted pretty far off topic, so - just my opinion. |
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| 21:23.17 | somiaj | toe: is ldif really the name you want (I don't reconize it, but I'm thinking ldiff) |
| 21:23.25 | JyZyXEL | so you probably just use a single big partition on a single device? |
| 21:23.51 | toe | ldif is an LDAP input/output format. ldiff exists as well and is used for differences between ldif files |
| 21:23.57 | JyZyXEL | or a single big filesystem i should rather say |
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| 21:27.35 | somiaj | toe: what are you trying to do with an .ldif file, doesn't seem there is a binary by that name to modify those files, but pleny of mention here https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup on how to create/edit ldif files |
| 21:28.13 | somiaj | toe: I see ldapmodify mentioned a lot |
| 21:28.16 | toe | i'm about to convert an smime certificate in DER format into an LDIF file to publish it to GAL |
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| 21:28.41 | somiaj | that wiki link has some examples of converting samba files, not sure about your case though. |
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| 21:29.29 | somiaj | slaptest seems to be another binary mentioned |
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| 21:30.53 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: For most purposes, yes. |
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| 21:35.25 | ndowens | Remind me how to create only a dsc file without building and checking deps. Going to be using cowbuilder |
| 21:35.36 | ndowens | been searching google and haven't found it |
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| 21:36.21 | toe | somiaj: thanks for trying |
| 21:36.38 | toe | alright, good night. have a good one |
| 21:36.40 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, man, thank you for your help today, the help Sec provided me solved everything! :-) |
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| 21:38.27 | somiaj | ndowens: try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, they may know |
| 21:38.39 | ndowens | true, thanks |
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| 21:41.29 | meek_geek | well how to search with aptitude is a package is in main or contrib or non-free |
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| 21:41.42 | Radditz | Hello |
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| 21:41.51 | somiaj | meek_geek: aptitude show foo |
| 21:41.59 | Radditz | newbie here, I am trying to install libncurses but IDK the name how can I do a search using apt? |
| 21:42.02 | Radditz | ty |
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| 21:42.21 | cesurasean1 | how do i find out my hard drive's UID from busybox? It seems my grub is messed up. |
| 21:42.23 | somiaj | meek_geek: apt-cache show foo also works, then look up for the repo it comes from. |
| 21:42.50 | somiaj | cesurasean1: various ways, do you know if it is /dev/sda2 or /dev/sdb1 for isntance, if so 'ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid' |
| 21:43.07 | cesurasean1 | i can't seem to do anything from busybox though. |
| 21:43.20 | cesurasean1 | sda1 |
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| 21:43.22 | kjikn | hi |
| 21:43.26 | somiaj | blkid would list them too |
| 21:43.43 | somiaj | cesurasean1: so ls -l /dev/dis/by-uuid and see which is point at /dev/sda1 that will tell you the uuid |
| 21:43.45 | cesurasean1 | what is the best way to fix my grub? |
| 21:43.50 | kjikn | i have a question i just install debian, but after reboot i cannot see the grub menu; is because it has efu mode or something |
| 21:43.54 | somiaj | !fixmbr |
| 21:43.55 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
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| 21:44.39 | kjikn | how can i boot into; the grub menu so i can boot debian |
| 21:44.39 | somiaj | kjikn: sounds like you either didn't install grub correctly, or installed it into the wrong partition, or if you are using efi boot you didn't boot the installer using efi (and it fellback to mbr mode) |
| 21:44.39 | Radditz | anyone please? |
| 21:44.42 | cesurasean1 | i find two uuids when i look in that directory. |
| 21:44.53 | somiaj | kjikn: you'll probably need a livecd or the install medium to rescue the system. |
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| 21:45.14 | somiaj | cesurasean1: those are links, look at which one points to /dev/sda1 |
| 21:45.34 | cesurasean1 | is there a way to run rescue mode in 32 bits and 64bits? im afraid when i launch it, it's running 32 bit version (?) |
| 21:45.40 | cesurasean1 | neither of them point to /dev/sda1 |
| 21:45.54 | cesurasean1 | sdb5 is what they point to. |
| 21:46.01 | somiaj | that would totally depend on the kernel on the resuce medium you are using |
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| 21:46.18 | somiaj | i.e. the i386 installer won't have a amd64 kernel so you'll have to use 32bit and visa versa |
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| 21:46.41 | cesurasean1 | how do i force the installer to rescue in 64 bit mode? |
| 21:46.47 | somiaj | Radditz: apt-cache search foo, so try apt-cache searc libcurses |
| 21:46.54 | somiaj | Radditz: but I belive it is called ncurses |
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| 21:48.25 | cesurasean1 | ok im lost. can someone help me to get my system booted up? |
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| 21:50.14 | somiaj | cesurasean1: what medium did you use to install debian and do you still have it? |
| 21:50.29 | cesurasean1 | usb, and i chose 64 bit install. |
| 21:50.44 | somiaj | you can use that installer to boot into rescue mode in various ways |
| 21:50.45 | cesurasean1 | when i run rescue mode, it's giving an error like exec format error when reinstalling grub. |
| 21:51.09 | somiaj | so you booted into rescue mode and are actually chrooted in your install? (I think you missed some steps) |
| 21:51.12 | cesurasean1 | so im unable to reinstall grub due to the installer medium, which i think is booting into a 32 bit kernel for rescue instead of 64 bit. |
| 21:51.30 | cesurasean1 | i run the rescue mode, and tell it to reinstall grub. |
| 21:51.50 | cesurasean1 | it fails. |
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| 21:52.13 | somiaj | how do you run the rescue mode, are you running it off the installer or selecting it from a broken grub menu |
| 21:52.19 | Radditz | somiaj: thank you, that worked I found the dev ones that were needed |
| 21:52.23 | cesurasean1 | off the installer. |
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| 21:52.54 | somiaj | cesurasean1: doesn't it ask for your root partition? |
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| 21:53.26 | cesurasean1 | yes, and i tell it to initalize raid. |
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| 21:54.10 | somiaj | cesurasean1: it shouldn't require grub at all to use the rescue mode, it should boot into the system just fine. |
| 21:54.25 | somiaj | cesurasean1: the other option is to boot into the installer (But don't actually install things) then manually set up the chroot for your system |
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| 21:55.27 | cesurasean1 | ah! |
| 21:55.35 | cesurasean1 | there is rescue mode, and 64 bit rescue mode. |
| 21:55.37 | cesurasean1 | no wonder! |
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| 21:58.12 | cesurasean1 | nope. still a fatal error. |
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| 21:58.57 | cesurasean1 | says the file is not read correctly. |
| 21:59.18 | cesurasean1 | what files do i need to exclude in an rsync for grub not to get messed up? |
| 21:59.29 | lucido | how can I fix this: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/Release Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-arm/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
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| 22:02.06 | ws2k3 | how can i automaticly remount an nfs share after disconnect ? |
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| 22:03.20 | jhutchins | ws2k3: One way is to use autofs/automount |
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| 22:03.53 | E00650074006F | Some one have problem with bluetooh? |
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| 22:04.09 | jhutchins | E00650074006F: Lots of people have problems iwht bluetooth. |
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| 22:04.59 | E00650074006F | With 7.5? |
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| 22:16.14 | Psychon4ut | Hi guys, do you would expect any problems with moving some folder in /etc to /usr/local/etc and symlink it ? |
| 22:16.29 | Psychon4ut | no x11 system |
| 22:16.39 | Psychon4ut | usr will be mounted ro |
| 22:16.50 | Psychon4ut | but some files in etc have to be writable |
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| 22:29.14 | magnulu | Hello - I am running wheezy and have added a third party rep (debian.oppserver.net) - from which I have installed a few packages |
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| 22:30.08 | magnulu | now I am looking to remove them all, and remove the repository as well, as I want to strip my ex-htpc from all bullcrap.. any suggestions on how to best do this? |
| 22:30.16 | magnulu | multiarch system |
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| 22:51.21 | tremon | magnulu: you can probably do this with aptitude search ~O: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#searchOrigin |
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| 22:53.51 | tremon | you might be able to check which origin oppserver declares by using head /var/lib/apt/lists/debian.oppserver.net*Release, I'm not sure if origin is mandatory |
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| 22:54.54 | tremon | Psychon4ut: those files will be inaccesible at early boot then |
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| 23:00.21 | adm001mi | hey all |
| 23:00.43 | adm001mi | still having issues with my amd quadcore cpu because of either the cpufreq or fan control |
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| 23:05.22 | magnulu | tremon: thanks |
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| 23:22.47 | estudio | hi all, i am using debian jessie/sid and cannot install nvidia propietary drivers on old hardware. The NVIDIA pkg1.run seems to only works with stable debian |
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| 23:23.00 | estudio | is it better to downgrade or to download and re install from scratch? |
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| 23:24.32 | jmcnaught | estudio: it's recommended to use the packages instead of running the nvidia auto-installer script. see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 23:25.12 | estudio | jmcnaught, the page does not specify anything for jessie |
| 23:25.18 | estudio | only wheezy and squeezy |
| 23:25.35 | estudio | i want to use stable now to use that wiki |
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| 23:26.21 | jmcnaught | estudio: the packages are there in jessie too, but i agree you probably should use Wheezy |
| 23:27.02 | estudio | do i downgrade or download wheezy iso andreinstall? |
| 23:27.08 | jmcnaught | estudio: if your card requires a newer version of the nvidia driver than what is available in wheezy, there's wheezy-backports |
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| 23:27.24 | jmcnaught | estudio: there's no downgrading. if you want wheezy you need to reinstall |
| 23:27.46 | estudio | i've read that adding the wheezy repositories to sources.list and running update & upgrade it downgrades the system |
| 23:27.57 | estudio | removing jessie repos ofcourse |
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| 23:28.49 | estudio | is that safe jmcnaught ? |
| 23:29.30 | jmcnaught | estudio: i suppose you could try if you have lots of time to waste, but as far as i understand upgrading is a one way street |
| 23:29.45 | jmcnaught | !downgrade |
| 23:29.46 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 23:30.58 | estudio | ah |
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| 23:31.11 | estudio | thanks for letting me know before i screw up jmcnaught |
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| 23:31.25 | estudio | is there any way i can chose specific packages that i want in my debian ISO stable? |
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| 23:34.09 | jmcnaught | estudio: well there's this: https://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD but most people get the netinst image and it will only download the packages you choose to install (during the installation) |
| 23:34.41 | estudio | for a non tech savvy is it too hard to start with a netinstall? |
| 23:35.12 | jmcnaught | estudio: for a non-tech-savvy person using the netinst is a lot simpler than trying to make your own CD image |
| 23:35.38 | estudio | ahhh |
| 23:35.48 | jmcnaught | estudio: Reading the Install manual is also highly recommended: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 23:36.01 | estudio | thakns jmcnaught |
| 23:36.40 | jmcnaught | estudio: no problem. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is quite good too (can be read online or purchased) |
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