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| 00:05.18 | cesurasean1 | where do i find the correct default file for the pxe boot of debian? |
| 00:06.29 | some-cowbell | there's pxes for the installer |
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| 00:11.02 | abrotman | cesurasean1: I already told you |
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| 00:16.05 | viccuad | hi, does anyone know why bluez is lagging a major version (4 vs 5) even in Sid? thanks in advance |
| 00:16.41 | abrotman | viccuad: the maintainer hasn't uploaded it yet |
| 00:16.55 | viccuad | abrotman: but it's from 2012 |
| 00:16.57 | viccuad | quite weird |
| 00:17.12 | viccuad | and I don't see it as orphaned or similar |
| 00:17.15 | abrotman | viccuad: it's in experimental |
| 00:17.40 | abrotman | You can email the maintainer and ask why it's not in yet? or check the BTS |
| 00:17.56 | viccuad | abrotman: argh, true. I missed experimental. thanks! |
| 00:18.13 | viccuad | abrotman: what do you mean by BTS? |
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| 00:19.45 | abrotman | viccuad: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746078 |
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| 00:20.32 | viccuad | abrotman: many thanks, you are faster than me |
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| 00:25.01 | earth2mark | quick question regarding cloning a disk with dd — is this not a good idea if the source disk has partitions mounted read-only? |
| 00:25.49 | dvs | earth2mark: copying a live partition doesnt sound like a good idea to me. |
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| 00:26.16 | daemonkeeper | That works fine if the resulting snapshop is consistent. |
| 00:26.37 | daemonkeeper | That's the case when mounted read only. |
| 00:26.41 | frostschutz | earth2mark, if it's really read only, for the duration dd is running, it's fine |
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| 00:38.28 | earth2mark | so, when I say mounted read only, I mean “mount -o ro” |
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| 00:39.38 | earth2mark | I cannot boot from a live cd on this machine, but I figured booting in single user mode and using dd to copy the boot drive was okay, but I see posts on the web that seem to state that it is not safe. |
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| 00:42.26 | My_loss | "''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''a<rcccccccy""x"xxxxxz <zzz____________ B ;2~ (rtgv&'''''''''''''''''''''''"bby "ÉQCWVÇ Y |
| 00:42.29 | My_loss | *ll#! /usr/bin/env bash -xv |
| 00:42.50 | My_loss | 1~ÇÀÉ"ZJN,,,ÉN Ù=Ù |
| 00:45.30 | My_loss | oops |
| 00:45.41 | My_loss | my kitten was walking on the laptop's keyboard. |
| 00:45.50 | dvs | !lart My_loss' kitten |
| 00:45.51 | dpkg | drops a humongous exploding nuke on My_loss' kitten |
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| 00:47.46 | My_loss | dvs: That dude. |
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| 00:47.48 | My_loss | http://i.imgur.com/gxeLXoV.jpg |
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| 00:48.31 | dvs | rats! the nuke didn't work. |
| 00:48.51 | some-cowbell | it would have on rats |
| 00:50.18 | some-cowbell | of course, that kitten could have been crossed with a cokaroach... |
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| 00:53.17 | My_loss | Excuse me? |
| 00:53.57 | some-cowbell | only way it would have survived a nuke of that color |
| 00:54.26 | My_loss | i got nothing, so i will move on. |
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| 00:55.40 | some-cowbell | My_loss: well if you want you could ask a debian-related question... |
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| 01:34.11 | hellinterim | Hi just to be clear wheezy uses python2.7 by default right? |
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| 01:36.12 | Yoshi1 | how do i install debs from the console? |
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| 01:40.39 | tubaman | Yoshi1: dpkg |
| 01:41.04 | Yoshi1 | or gdebi heh |
| 01:41.06 | Yoshi1 | thanks though |
| 01:41.38 | tubaman | sure. I've never used gdebi |
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| 01:42.51 | ryeseisi | n #debian-offtopic |
| 01:42.57 | ryeseisi | ... oops |
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| 01:54.15 | some-cowbell | , versions python |
| 01:54.17 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.6-2; sid: 2.7.6-2 |
| 01:55.25 | Extensa5630G | /boot/grub/menu.lst doesnt exist in my debian wheezy kde :O |
| 01:55.28 | Extensa5630G | how does the grub work then? :o |
| 01:55.52 | some-cowbell | that's grub legacy |
| 01:55.58 | Extensa5630G | though see the file /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 01:56.03 | Extensa5630G | *i see* |
| 01:56.19 | Extensa5630G | some-cowbell: means the older versions of grub? |
| 01:56.21 | some-cowbell | yeah, that's grub2 |
| 01:56.44 | some-cowbell | legacy grub is grub1 or 0.9something |
| 01:56.54 | some-cowbell | which has menu.lst |
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| 01:58.37 | Extensa5630G | some-cowbell: I see. |
| 01:59.34 | some-cowbell | there are programs that look for kernels and root fses and write grub.conf |
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| 02:03.04 | some-cowbell | so, if you want to alter grub.conf, read it first... also note, grub2 is pretty significantly changed from grub1, lots of details are different |
| 02:04.27 | Extensa5630G | some-cowbell: I see. |
| 02:05.17 | Extensa5630G | adds fedora 20´s entry, given that f20 is installed but not detected in teh grub menu loaded by debian |
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| 02:20.15 | Extensa5630G | isn't this line a comment in /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ### |
| 02:20.28 | Extensa5630G | same for other similar lines i'm seeing |
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| 02:31.45 | designs | hello all, any debian gnome 3 users here? |
| 02:32.49 | designs | I have a gnome 3 specific question |
| 02:33.57 | |knack| | How large are the current stable repos? |
| 02:34.12 | Extensa5630G | designs: jump-in and ask. |
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| 02:36.03 | designs | Does anyone experience any lag or a drop in Frames Per Second when you have multiple windows open in gnome 3 and decide to move your mouse over to the activities tab. Does it ever seem to slow down a bit? |
| 02:41.33 | Extensa5630G | but what is /etc/grub.d/ folder used for?i though that the sole main file responsible for managing the grub is /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 02:41.39 | Extensa5630G | *i thoughts* |
| 02:41.43 | Extensa5630G | *i thought* |
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| 02:51.04 | designs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:52.07 | Extensa5630G | designs: what is your cpu/gpu/ram |
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| 02:53.07 | designs | cpu: amd phenom quad core. Ram: 8GB DDR3. GPU: geforce GTS 250 |
| 02:53.29 | designs | using proprietry driver |
| 02:53.48 | designs | version: 304.17 |
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| 03:26.29 | tubaman | dpkg -l fail2ban |
| 03:26.30 | dpkg | ii fail2ban 1.9-15 tubaman's private porn collection |
| 03:27.10 | |knack| | Are the daily mirrror sizes represdentative of the full dvd install sets? |
| 03:27.27 | |knack| | Representative |
| 03:27.44 | abrotman | |knack|: not quite |
| 03:27.56 | |knack| | Ballpark? |
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| 03:29.32 | abrotman | |knack|: what are you actually asking? |
| 03:29.58 | abrotman | |knack|: the DVD set is likely one architecture, for one release .. and binary only |
| 03:30.06 | |knack| | How large is the full amd64 install currently? |
| 03:30.17 | abrotman | you cannot install all packages at once |
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| 03:58.01 | designs | how can I have my nvidia settings save in nvidia x server settings? Everytime I change it and reboot it resets. Anyone know why? |
| 03:58.46 | jelly-home | designs: you'll have to run "nvidia-settings -l" next time your X session starts |
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| 04:03.22 | designs | after installing the nvidia driverI have an icon called nvidia x server settings. And im talking about changing settings in there that are not being saved, do you know what I mean? |
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| 04:13.40 | silicone | Hello. Would anyone be able to tell me how I could download a more recent version of xxxterm? I know the name changed to xombrero, but apt-get install xombrero turns up nothing. |
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| 04:14.50 | gerforce | how can i open a port on debian for income connection? |
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| 04:24.06 | phogg | gerforce: bind something to listen on it on the IP |
| 04:24.11 | gerforce | for BT download. I have already activated uPnp on gateway. |
| 04:24.29 | Aaron_ | hi i have a question, I'm Using debian testing, and now my wifi every time i step out of the room, the connection drops; or it takes for ever to load; |
| 04:24.33 | Aaron_ | can someone guide me to fix my issue? |
| 04:24.35 | phogg | gerforce: if you really mean "My netfilter ruleset is dropping incoming connections, how do I make an exception for a port?" then the answer is iptables |
| 04:24.51 | gerforce | phogg: can you elaborate? |
| 04:25.00 | phogg | gerforce: IOW, ports are always open unless firewalled |
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| 04:25.25 | phogg | gerforce: iptables -L |
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| 04:26.07 | Aaron_ | any helP? |
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| 04:27.08 | gerforce | phogg:i am trying. |
| 04:27.29 | phogg | gerforce: that should tell you what rules/policies already exist |
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| 04:27.42 | phogg | gerforce: if INPUT has a policy of ACCEPT and no other rules it should work already |
| 04:27.58 | gerforce | phogg: there is no rule. |
| 04:28.23 | gerforce | phogg: but i cannot use transmission |
| 04:28.34 | Aaron_ | hi i have a question, I'm Using debian testing, and now my wifi every time i step out of the room, the connection drops; or it takes for ever to load; |
| 04:28.37 | gerforce | phogg: connection failed |
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| 04:32.10 | gerforce | phogg: i am sorry. i misunderstand the rules. There are 3 rules there. chain INPUT(policy Accept) chain forward(policy accept) chain output(policy accept) |
| 04:32.54 | phogg | gerforce: those are policies, not rules |
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| 04:33.09 | phogg | gerforce: if INPUT is ACCEPT then there is no firewall and the port is open |
| 04:35.05 | gerforce | phogg: i still can not get income connection. |
| 04:35.16 | phogg | gerforce: netstat -nlp | grep :portnumber |
| 04:35.20 | phogg | gerforce: is it listening? |
| 04:35.38 | gerforce | testing port tool in transmission always give me messeage: port closed |
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| 04:36.54 | phogg | gerforce: that's not what I asked. It's best not to trust the messaging from the application, instead look at reality first |
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| 04:39.28 | phogg | gerforce: the most likely thing is that the gateway box is blocking the connection, given that your input and output chains are set to accept by default. Or, the port is not configured properly |
| 04:40.09 | gerforce | phogg: yes the port is listening |
| 04:40.30 | gerforce | phogg: now it works |
| 04:40.34 | phogg | gerforce: then there's an 85% chance the problem is not on the Debian box. |
| 04:40.48 | phogg | gerforce: and what did you change? |
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| 04:41.29 | gerforce | phogg: nothing. After trying several times by application itself. |
| 04:41.53 | phogg | something has to have changed. Things don't just happen |
| 04:42.06 | phogg | we'll say that the change you made on the gateway took some time before it really worked |
| 04:43.50 | gerforce | phogg: yes.from the logs of the application,it takes time to make upnp work. |
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| 05:35.25 | hydra7 | Does fixing bugs make you learn more about the distro? |
| 05:37.47 | jelly-home | hydra7: depends on the bugs and how meticulous you are. If you to package rebuilding and testing with fixes incorporated, you may learn something about package creation and lifecycle |
| 05:38.06 | jelly-home | s/ to/ do/ |
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| 05:38.55 | hydra7 | jelly-home: just ordianry bugs |
| 05:39.14 | hydra7 | *ordinary |
| 05:39.34 | hydra7 | that occur in Testing |
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| 06:05.29 | Extensa5630G | lmfao!!! i wrongly wrote sudo rm -r /etc/default/grub |
| 06:07.48 | evilman_home | Extensa5630G: you can restore this file from .deb file of grub. |
| 06:08.22 | evilman_home | Extensa5630G: or just reinstall grub. |
| 06:08.39 | Extensa5630G | evilman_home: d'oh yeah, true |
| 06:10.31 | evilman_home | Extensa5630G: http://dpaste.com/0SRME3M |
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| 06:11.18 | Extensa5630G | evilman_home: Thanks, sir. |
| 06:11.32 | evilman_home | Extensa5630G: you're welcome. |
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| 06:12.44 | meek_geek | guys is there a update manager in Debian ? like if i don't do aptitude upgrade ; and if there is a serious update for debian ( security one ) ; how would debian system help me with it ? |
| 06:12.53 | calvinx | I am trying to disable console-klt-daemon from launching at reboot. how do I do that? |
| 06:13.39 | Extensa5630G | meek_geek: there is that GUI update tool that runs always in the background afaik |
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| 06:14.34 | meek_geek | Extensa5630G, i don't see such a tool ! where is it ? |
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| 06:15.06 | Extensa5630G | meek_geek: kde/gnome? |
| 06:15.22 | meek_geek | Xfce |
| 06:15.28 | Extensa5630G | meek_geek: it is often in the taskbar, have a look at those small icons, i use kde |
| 06:15.32 | meek_geek | Stable 4.8 |
| 06:15.45 | Extensa5630G | meek_geek: ah , then no clue, i don't use that graphical environment. |
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| 06:16.10 | meek_geek | I think i will have to install update-manager |
| 06:16.24 | meek_geek | It seems like a security flaw in xfce debian then |
| 06:16.31 | meek_geek | no update manager ? |
| 06:16.36 | evilman_home | calvinx: http://serverfault.com/questions/160612/console-kit-daemon-can-it-be-stopped |
| 06:16.46 | Extensa5630G | meek_geek: apt is the one, read its man |
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| 06:17.22 | meek_geek | Extensa5630G, but you are not getting my point ; What if i forget to run apt upgrade command for 1 week |
| 06:17.30 | meek_geek | and a update is there in between |
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| 06:17.36 | meek_geek | how would debian inform me ?\ |
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| 06:18.01 | calvinx | evilman_home: I don’t have default-display-manager |
| 06:18.19 | Extensa5630G | meek_geek: you can write a script that runs automatically every given amount of time, you got everything :) |
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| 06:18.58 | meek_geek | Extensa5630G, but by default debian-xfce is not secure then |
| 06:19.13 | meek_geek | it has no way to notify the updates to the user |
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| 06:19.55 | calvinx | sudo aptitude remove consolekit did the trick |
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| 06:20.02 | Extensa5630G | meek_geek: not sure why is your response to my last statement that debian is not secure, i told you that you can write a script that runs the command that updates your security stuff every given amount of time. |
| 06:20.39 | Extensa5630G | meek_geek: i don't have the procedure in top of my head currently, but that's surely possible |
| 06:20.48 | Extensa5630G | *on top* |
| 06:21.06 | meek_geek | Extensa5630G, I told you that for an avg user is not a habit to write an script unless Debian specify them that there is no update notifier in Xfce version |
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| 06:21.53 | Extensa5630G | meek_geek: type 'software' in your GUI's starter, and see if you get some results |
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| 06:22.50 | meek_geek | Extensa5630G, nothing man i think debian is cheating its XFCE user by not packing any updater app |
| 06:23.08 | Extensa5630G | debian is cheating? nice touch |
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| 06:24.39 | meek_geek | yep man we must consider update manager with xfce |
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| 06:25.13 | jelly-home | meek_geek: update-manager people have not considered xfce at all, there are plugins for gnome and kde only |
| 06:25.16 | Eremiell | meek_geek: every debian install gets THE updter app by default. it's called apt. everything else is just sugar. some DEs might provide their graphical sugar, some don't. no difference for debian. you pick you DE, not us. |
| 06:25.40 | jelly-home | meek_geek: same with update-notifier |
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| 06:26.07 | Extensa5630G | Eremiell: i liked the sugar analogy. |
| 06:26.38 | jelly-home | meek_geek: so, if you want xfce integration, you'd have to ask, pay for or write one yourself |
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| 06:27.15 | meek_geek | jelly-home, I see ; but don't you think debian is kinda cheating xfce users by not packing such a huge thing ? |
| 06:27.53 | Extensa5630G | meek_geek: debian has nothing to do with the lack of GUI updating thingy in xfce |
| 06:28.01 | Eremiell | Extensa5630G: had syntax sugar on lips, but found out, it's not really syntax. :) |
| 06:28.02 | jelly-home | meek_geek: it. does. not. exist. |
| 06:28.08 | Extensa5630G | meek_geek: that considers xfce |
| 06:28.24 | meek_geek | on xubuntu there is one |
| 06:28.28 | Extensa5630G | Eremiell heh |
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| 06:28.33 | meek_geek | We could adopt that |
| 06:29.02 | jelly-home | meek_geek: ask #debian-xfce on irc.debian.org on how to approach that |
| 06:29.14 | meek_geek | <Extensa5630G> meek_geek: debian has nothing to do with the lack of GUI updating thingy in xfce |
| 06:29.20 | meek_geek | this is childish ^ |
| 06:29.31 | Extensa5630G | meek_geek: What? |
| 06:29.47 | Eremiell | meek_geek: look if it's proposed for packaging. if not, propose it. |
| 06:29.55 | Extensa5630G | is editing his grub's boot picture. |
| 06:30.17 | jelly-home | meek_geek: please keep personal insults out of the conversation and keep to tech arguments |
| 06:30.34 | meek_geek | ain't it the duty of debian at least to inform its users about the "lack of update manager" in xfce flavor which might lead to security bugs as most users forget to update there system for one week at least |
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| 06:30.50 | meek_geek | ok ok |
| 06:31.14 | jelly-home | meek_geek: again, ask in our xfce channel on how to help adding the missing features that are found in eg. xubuntu |
| 06:31.41 | meek_geek | on here ? or irc.debian.org? |
| 06:31.51 | jelly-home | the latter |
| 06:32.08 | meek_geek | debian.org? |
| 06:32.20 | jelly-home | no, irc.debian.org |
| 06:32.28 | Extensa5630G | jelly-home: a small bash script can do all of that, imo |
| 06:32.55 | Eremiell | meek_geek: whoever doesn't check for system updates at least once a day as part of theri daily routine makes their system insecure by choice. notification service is not a replacement for your system administration. |
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| 06:33.52 | jelly-home | Eremiell: OTOH, automating stuff instead of relying on user to do something is useful. |
| 06:34.07 | jelly-home | meek_geek: my bad, it seems that channel is still on Freenode |
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| 06:34.29 | jelly-home | meek_geek: be very patient tho, it's a small channel |
| 06:34.31 | meek_geek | Eremiell, I disapprove of your statement. There are some professionals using your Debian system which don't even look at updates assuming that Debian has some update system which might notify them. Like Doctors/Accounts/Lawyers |
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| 06:35.11 | Extensa5630G | meek_geek: You're not making any sense. |
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| 06:35.42 | Eremiell | jelly-home: how about conflicting packages and stuff? tried to implement automation on system updates some time ago. ended up having to check root inbox daily to find out, if it went OK and often having to fix it manually. |
| 06:35.48 | jelly-home | meek_geek: a user using alternative, nonstandard DE should be aware it will be less tested and less featureful |
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| 06:36.05 | jelly-home | meek_geek: they have to explicitely _choose_ to use xfce |
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| 06:36.22 | meek_geek | oh so xfce is not officially support by Debian ? |
| 06:36.25 | meek_geek | I think it is |
| 06:37.17 | jelly-home | meek_geek: to cut the story short, if you want this fixed, ask the people responsible for xfce. Do you have any other issues? |
| 06:37.28 | Eremiell | meek_geek: I don;t think there are any official claims of support or whatever. This is not RHEL. |
| 06:38.30 | Eremiell | meek_geek: there's a clear testing procedure, which is kinda guaranteed, but that's about it. |
| 06:38.48 | socomm | Doesn't Ubuntu offer commercial support? |
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| 06:39.56 | Eremiell | socomm: neither is this ubuntu. ;) |
| 06:40.43 | socomm | Suppose if you want to stay with debian based distro and want commercial support, you can go with Ubuntu. |
| 06:41.14 | meek_geek | I was just trying to express that without a update-manager with notifications an OS is prone to bugs |
| 06:41.55 | jelly-home | meek_geek: that point was driven to ground. Move on. |
| 06:42.16 | meek_geek | ok |
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| 06:56.37 | hydra7 | I have read somewhere that Debian Testing is for experienced users, what exactly does experienced user mean? |
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| 06:58.32 | jelly-home | hydra7: able to work around stuff not working, and report and fix bugs |
| 06:59.22 | hydra7 | then I am not experienced one, as they say if you have to ask then you don't know |
| 07:00.07 | jelly-home | hydra7: implies medium to expert knowledge of packaging system, stuff like being able to downgrade a broken package on your own, checking and identifying bug reports |
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| 07:06.48 | alphazulu | hello, i am trying to set up apache under wheezy for h264 streaming |
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| 07:07.34 | alphazulu | however there is no mod_h264_streaming to be found and also can't locate any useful info on the web |
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| 07:12.23 | alphazulu | well it looks like this site has info on building it under debian: http://h264.code-shop.com/trac/wiki/Mod-H264-Streaming-Apache-Version2 |
| 07:13.08 | alphazulu | away we go... |
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| 07:54.47 | Extensa5630G | wouldn't installing grub2, update the debian's grub 1.99? |
| 07:55.05 | Extensa5630G | or di have to remove the latter first? |
| 07:55.11 | Extensa5630G | *do I * |
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| 07:57.59 | Eremiell | Extensa5630G: don't they conflict each other? if not, you'll probably want to remove the old one anyway. |
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| 07:59.39 | doebi1 | one of my machines just died and cant come back up :/ last thing i remember befoe i tried a reboot was some error regarding gpgv when doing apt-get update |
| 08:00.43 | Extensa5630G | Eremiell: i was having an issue anyway |
| 08:00.52 | Extensa5630G | you guys the thing here is that i installed fedora 20, then debian wheezy, but debian's grub can't detect fedora 20, not sure what i have to write in debian's /boot/grub/grub.cfg, here is my partition's scheme http://i.imgur.com/TW2RKcC.png , as well as /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 08:00.56 | Extensa5630G | http://paste.debian.net/108238/ |
| 08:01.44 | Extensa5630G | i tried to add fedora 20's entry manually though |
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| 08:02.11 | tilt | yeah welcome to the new and improved grub 2.0 - the distributor's choice :) |
| 08:02.13 | Extensa5630G | but but fedora can't load, it gets in a mode called emergency mode as far as i remember |
| 08:02.38 | Extensa5630G | it was a CLI mode with mimited number of commannds |
| 08:02.42 | Extensa5630G | *limited |
| 08:03.35 | tilt | i must say |
| 08:03.46 | tilt | if i wanted to configure a lot of stuff myself i would not use grub2 |
| 08:03.58 | Extensa5630G | tilt: Why so? |
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| 08:04.20 | tilt | because the entire configuration system of grub2 is made for generation by automatic tools |
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| 08:05.22 | tilt | and you know how it is with tools, they are great as long as they work |
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| 08:06.17 | Extensa5630G | tilt: you mean that configuring grub2 is often done using third-party tools?lie a GUI tool that i can download from the repositories? |
| 08:06.25 | tilt | no |
| 08:06.38 | nkuttler | Extensa5630G: see info grub |
| 08:06.50 | nkuttler | but yeah, it's a huge mess compared to v1.. |
| 08:06.59 | tilt | the distributor deploys a configuration mechanism that is run at installation time. you don't get to seee what it does and how it does it, you are just presented with the result |
| 08:07.32 | tilt | it's very useful in simple environments and a huge pain in not-so-simple ones |
| 08:07.38 | nkuttler | tilt: that's not true. it's all documented, and more powerful than v1. but harder to tweak for end users |
| 08:07.59 | tilt | i am not an end user i am a network engineer and server administrator |
| 08:08.16 | Extensa5630G | nkuttler: Um', I got your point |
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| 08:08.38 | nkuttler | tilt: then you should be able to rtfm |
| 08:08.40 | tilt | also _i_ can configure grub2 |
| 08:08.44 | nkuttler | see |
| 08:08.50 | tilt | but i don't like it |
| 08:08.54 | nkuttler | sure, me neither |
| 08:08.56 | tilt | and i am entitled to my opinion |
| 08:09.33 | tilt | so, if none of us likes it, why is it good? |
| 08:09.44 | Extensa5630G | because it is newer? |
| 08:09.55 | nkuttler | 2 is better than 1, obviously |
| 08:09.56 | tilt | ;) the curse of novelty |
| 08:11.24 | tilt | of course the distributor will try everything to lock me into his distribution |
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| 08:11.41 | tilt | and obfuscating multi boot scenarios is one tactical move to do so |
| 08:11.45 | Extensa5630G | i'll go and install grub2 |
| 08:12.38 | Extensa5630G | can't teh previousely-stated issue be happening due to the fact that fedora's grub is newer than debian's? |
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| 08:12.45 | Extensa5630G | 2 vs 1.99 as i saw |
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| 08:13.25 | tilt | Extensa5630G: i probably would try this: install fedora's bootloader into the partition instead of the mbr |
| 08:13.40 | tilt | Extensa5630G: then set up chain-loading from debian's into fedora's boot manager |
| 08:14.02 | tilt | Extensa5630G: that way you get the full boot menu operability from fedora which is probably what you want |
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| 08:14.58 | Extensa5630G | tilt: at this rate, i might want to read more about grub to be able to deal with this chainloading thingy |
| 08:15.09 | Extensa5630G | tilt: tahnks for the tips sir. |
| 08:15.14 | Extensa5630G | *thanks* |
| 08:15.42 | tilt | when you have booted into fedora and see the "emergency mode" you should be able to initiate normal system startup by pressing Ctrl-D when asked to do so |
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| 08:16.08 | tilt | sure, no problem, sorry for interleaving my personal opionions ^^ |
| 08:16.33 | Extensa5630G | tilt: it is not like that, it was some kind of very limited shell, like that one found in UBCD |
| 08:17.20 | Extensa5630G | tilt: i gave me the root user in that strange mode as well |
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| 08:21.26 | ln_ | I shrank a physical volume with pvresize, how can I free up the space for partitioning? |
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| 08:22.43 | tilt | ln_: hmmm |
| 08:22.50 | tilt | ln_: why did you do that in the first place |
| 08:23.11 | tilt | ln_: LVM is supposed to manage your volumes |
| 08:23.26 | tilt | ln_: you shring logical volumes to create space for different logical volumes |
| 08:23.30 | ln_ | i need a new primary partition for windows :( |
| 08:23.32 | tilt | ln_: sorry, "shrink" |
| 08:23.35 | tilt | ahhh |
| 08:23.44 | tilt | ok, that's a delicate move |
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| 08:24.38 | tilt | i would have bought a new harddrive fro that |
| 08:24.41 | tilt | srsly |
| 08:24.42 | frostschutz | ln_, shrink with pvresize, then shrink the partition with the partitioner of your choice, then create a new partition in the space you freed |
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| 08:25.50 | frostschutz | ln_, have a care to not make the partition smaller than the pv, you might lose data that way |
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| 08:27.54 | Pudgetta | Lenovo T420 |
| 08:28.44 | ln_ | frostschutz, so you think I could rewrite the partition table already after the pvresize? I'd probably use parted and remove/recreate the partition with the same start sector but different end |
| 08:29.06 | Pudgetta | I'll try this https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
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| 09:19.14 | Dreamer3 | how can i find which package is responsible for a particular file and restore it? |
| 09:19.59 | Extensa5630G | tilt: Should I chainload fedora's / partition?or /boot partition? in debian's /boot/grub/menu.lst . |
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| 09:20.18 | Extensa5630G | in root(hdn, m) line |
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| 09:34.50 | nevyn | Dreamer3: dpkg -S filename |
| 09:34.57 | Dreamer3 | yeah i found it :) |
| 09:35.00 | Dreamer3 | thanks |
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| 09:39.44 | vmimagedeb | can you recommend a debian vm image to download? |
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| 09:43.06 | frostschutz | with or without backdoor? |
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| 09:45.38 | Sec | heh |
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| 09:46.18 | markv | Hi |
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| 09:46.28 | markv | I'm trying to make a WiFi hotspot but not getting much luck |
| 09:46.33 | markv | With hostapd |
| 09:46.41 | qsuscs | i need to compile my kernel with one flag changed, what would be the clean way to do it? |
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| 09:47.07 | nehaljwani | what does the line emit mean in : https://gist.githubusercontent.com/wayoutmind/1386421/raw/682fa1c9f3cf8420fc109ae16dc320a5cfef973e/graylog2-server.conf |
| 09:47.34 | qsuscs | and can somebody estimate the time needed on an intel core i5 520m 2.4GHz, 2*ht cores, 8G ram |
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| 09:47.49 | nehaljwani | qsuscs, depends on your config file, I guess |
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| 09:48.09 | Sec | What's wrong markv? |
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| 09:48.55 | markv | Sometimes stops networking alrogether |
| 09:49.08 | markv | Not sure yet, following another tutorial now |
| 09:50.15 | Sec | markv: make sure your kernel supports your wireless card and the card has monitor(was it monitor) mode enabled |
| 09:50.33 | Sec | I had the same problems with an Atheros card, a backported kernel solved it for me |
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| 09:53.16 | Sec | Figuring these two things out ^ should let you connect to your AP to start off with. You'll only need to figure out bridging/dns after that. |
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| 09:56.28 | pepe1245 | Hi! |
| 09:57.22 | Sec | Hi pepe1245 |
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| 10:45.40 | imsc | Hi Guys.. need help.. i have switched from ubuntu to debian.. very new to it.. and i see some of the feature missing in it like double click doesn't work and window style dont have (minimize, maximize button.. etc) i just wanna know if there are any default packages to be installed after installing OS? |
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| 10:46.31 | imsc | i use accer aspire 5536 |
| 10:47.12 | babilen | imsc: You are now using Gnome 3 which is a different desktop environment from Unity which comes with Ubuntu. |
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| 10:47.56 | imsc | babilen, ubuntu is pretty heavy.. but i feel debian is better than ubuntu |
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| 10:49.11 | babilen | imsc: I can't comment on that and will only say that Debian is a great distribution. If you are looking for a lighter setup you might want to consider switching to XFCE4 or to simply not use a desktop environment at all, but a window manager such as openbox, fluxbox, i3, awesome, ... |
| 10:49.34 | babilen | (not that there is anything inherently wrong with Gnome) |
| 10:49.59 | imsc | oh.. i see.. |
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| 10:52.15 | imsc | babilen, also.. not able mount cdrom |
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| 10:52.59 | babilen | imsc: Could you paste your /etc/fstab to http://paste.debian.net ? How do you try to mount your CD? |
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| 10:53.45 | imsc | sure |
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| 10:56.04 | imsc | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/108267/ |
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| 10:57.10 | babilen | imsc: And how do you try to mount it? |
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| 11:06.22 | imsc | babilen, created a mount point and mount -t .... |
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| 11:09.35 | babilen | imsc: Well, you have an entry for it in your fstab, so you should just run "mount /dev/sr0". But aren't you using Gnome? It would be an option and, to be honest, also the more common approach to simply mount it through your filemanager (i.e. nautilus) |
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| 11:13.19 | imsc | babilen, yes.. i am using gnome.. but i don't see any option for cd rom in filemanager |
| 11:13.59 | imsc | babilen, double click on any folder doesn't work |
| 11:14.38 | babilen | imsc: There shouldn't be an option. The CD should just appear and you should be able to click (single) on it. What happens if you double-click on a directory? |
| 11:15.15 | babilen | Unfortunately I am needed elsewhere right now and therefore have to bid you farewell. All the best though! |
| 11:15.41 | imsc | babilen, sure :), but thank you |
| 11:17.48 | dutchfish | imsc, i am not a gnome user but, start Nautilus and go to System -> Preferences menu item and select the last tab, Media. Here you can control many aspect of automounting. |
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| 11:18.57 | imsc | dutchfish, sure.. i will give it a try now |
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| 11:19.04 | dutchfish | imsc, gl |
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| 11:34.54 | dutchfish | Nik05, and more to come tomorrow |
| 11:35.09 | Nik05 | wrong window :D |
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| 11:35.22 | dutchfish | Nik05, yes, sorry |
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| 11:46.15 | sympto_ | is there an recommendable alternative to iptables? |
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| 11:47.22 | dutchfish | sympto_, depends on your usage, normally no |
| 11:48.14 | sympto_ | maybe something which is more easy configurable? |
| 11:48.21 | dutchfish | sympto_, in newer kernels go NFTables |
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| 11:48.32 | dutchfish | sympto_, not really, iptables is really easy |
| 11:48.52 | dutchfish | sympto_, but you could delve into helper programs |
| 11:49.44 | dutchfish | sympto_, but you still need to learn the do's and dont's, start here http://www.howtogeek.com/177621/the-beginners-guide-to-iptables-the-linux-firewall/ |
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| 11:50.33 | sympto_ | thanks for the intro |
| 11:50.39 | dutchfish | sympto_, also delve into nftables if you are really not into iptables http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nftables |
| 11:50.49 | dutchfish | sympto_, yw |
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| 11:51.27 | dutchfish | sympto_, rem it is still all netfilter |
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| 11:54.23 | sympto_ | dutchfish: im on wheezy, so my kernel doesnt support it. i have to build the kernel for myself to get it to work, right? |
| 11:54.45 | dutchfish | sympto_, iptables should work |
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| 11:55.40 | dutchfish | sympto_, https://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 11:56.12 | d3lxa | I'm using tomoyo, used training mode, can see the policy but I still don't have /sys/kernel/security/tomoyo/ it's missing, any idea? |
| 11:56.23 | dutchfish | sympto_, not so for NFTables, only latest kernels will work on that |
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| 11:56.37 | sympto_ | yup |
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| 11:57.29 | jmd | How can I view the patch that fixed this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=741819 |
| 11:57.30 | sympto_ | d3lxa: mac would be my next project, you got experience in any mac besides tomoyo? |
| 11:57.31 | jmd | ?? |
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| 11:57.57 | dutchfish | d3lxa, i assume you have read this? https://wiki.debian.org/Tomoyo |
| 11:58.43 | d3lxa | dutchfish: yes, you can assume this, by boot has security thing |
| 11:58.51 | d3lxa | s/by/my/ |
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| 11:59.41 | d3lxa | sympto_: no, it's my first MAC app, I'm still reading the tutorial |
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| 12:00.32 | sympto_ | i mean waht is usable and safe enough. nsalinux is off the topic anyway so go for canoical or tomoyo? |
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| 12:01.05 | dutchfish | d3lxa, specially the kernel config line |
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| 12:01.29 | dutchfish | d3lxa, dmesg will tell you if it went wrong |
| 12:01.54 | d3lxa | dutchfish: what do you mean? I don't see any other config line except the kernel line |
| 12:02.03 | dutchfish | d3lxa, yes, that one |
| 12:02.55 | d3lxa | the kernel wrote tomoyo started: TOMOYO: 2.5.0… Mandatory Access Control activated. |
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| 12:03.21 | dutchfish | d3lxa, ok |
| 12:03.34 | dutchfish | d3lxa, is this a stock debian kernel? |
| 12:03.50 | dutchfish | d3lxa, stable (wheezy)? |
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| 12:04.03 | d3lxa | yes: 3.14-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.14.7-1 (2014-06-16) x86_64 GNU/Linux from 3.14+57 |
| 12:04.16 | d3lxa | it's a testing actually |
| 12:05.00 | dutchfish | d3lxa, then ask this issue in #debian-next i have that kernel not running atm |
| 12:05.27 | d3lxa | oh… ok |
| 12:05.35 | d3lxa | didn't know that, thx |
| 12:05.39 | dutchfish | d3lxa, also i believe tomoyo has some bugs to fix in testing |
| 12:05.53 | dutchfish | d3lxa, ask them |
| 12:06.04 | d3lxa | it says I must be invited |
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| 12:06.45 | dutchfish | !debian-next |
| 12:06.45 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 12:06.59 | d3lxa | oftc.net, oh ok |
| 12:07.03 | dutchfish | ;) |
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| 12:15.52 | oo_miguel | I have two 2000GB HDD and one 250GB SSD inside my desktop pc and wonder how to optimally set them up (partition them etc.). I plan to use an LVM over a RAID1 and do regular (daily) backups with rsnapshot. Can anyone give me a hint or tell me where to find some good online documentation that will help me solve my dilemma? |
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| 12:16.54 | jmd | oo_miguel: I suggest you ask on #lvm - this is not really a debian question. |
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| 12:17.46 | n-st | can i force unloading a kernel module that is currently in use? |
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| 12:18.20 | oo_miguel | jmd: hmm you are right, but it is not a lvm question either. I am not interested in the technical details how to set up the lvm and raid. I just have no concept, how to use the different disks so it makes sense. |
| 12:19.00 | jmd | oo_miguel: You are right. In fact your question is two different questions. |
| 12:19.12 | jmd | At any rate, it is not really debian related. |
| 12:19.23 | frostschutz | oo_miguel, for me, SSD is my main drive that has everything (system-home), whereas the HDD raid is for big clunky stuff and it's in standby most of the time |
| 12:20.43 | oo_miguel | frostschutz: do you use some sort of raid for the SSD? |
| 12:21.00 | frostschutz | oo_miguel, only have one SSD, but the SSD is a 1 drive raid1, and from time to time I add a write-mostly HDD-LV to it, so I have a bootable mirror in case the SSD ever dies |
| 12:21.34 | d3lxa | dutchfish, sympto_:found there, I needed to mount securityfs there in /sys |
| 12:22.25 | dutchfish | d3lxa, ah ok |
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| 12:22.41 | frostschutz | oo_miguel, but that's not something you'd do normally ;) |
| 12:23.27 | oo_miguel | frostschutz: yeah, but it might be a solution for me |
| 12:23.35 | oo_miguel | since I have also just one single SSD |
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| 12:24.18 | frostschutz | oo_miguel, http://bpaste.net/show/437478/ |
| 12:25.43 | oo_miguel | frostschutz: I wonder what will happen if the SSD dies during this process? will the hdd hold some valid state? |
| 12:27.36 | oo_miguel | frostschtz: maybe I will add the hdd permanently with --write-mostly (did not know about this option) |
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| 12:28.01 | oo_miguel | I do not plan to write so often to my ssd anyway |
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| 12:41.19 | |oop | Who here like debian |
| 12:42.32 | Anarch | Is there a command that tells me what `dpkg -L $pkg` tells me where $pkg is not installed? |
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| 12:42.40 | jmd | |oop: Please correctly conjugate that question. |
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| 12:42.57 | Sec | jmd: be nice to arch users |
| 12:43.40 | jmd | It's not my favourite system, but it isn't too bad. |
| 12:43.42 | Nik05 | Anarch apt-file |
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| 12:44.35 | Anarch | Nik05: Looks perfect, thanks. |
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| 12:46.49 | Zarthus | Hey, I'm using the debian-goodies utility with a cronjob that logs it to a file (basically just: cr=`checkrestart` echo "$cr" > checkrestart.log). When this is set to a hourly cronjob there is no output. Is there something I am doing wrong? I am using the root user. |
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| 12:52.54 | zykotick9 | Zarthus: are you also updating the system every hour? seems like overkill... good luck |
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| 12:53.38 | Zarthus | zykotick9: It doesn't matter if I do it hourly or every 20 years. That's not part of the question. |
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| 12:57.09 | zykotick9 | Zarthus: to "me" it is. 1) i think your updating scheme is wasteful and 2) putting "checkrestart" output to a log seems silly. BUT, good luck. |
| 12:57.47 | Zarthus | zykotick9, I want to have it as part of a dynamic MOTD on logging in to the shell, the box itself runs next to nothing so it can afford to put the resources to it. |
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| 13:00.49 | zykotick9 | Zarthus: ahhh, it wasn't actually your machine's resources i was thinking you're wasting, but debian's resources. personally, i update when i get an email from security notifications mailing list, then manually run checkrestart after... |
| 13:01.40 | Zarthus | Hmm. Maybe I should subscribe to such mailing list. |
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| 13:11.00 | pycoderf | hello all. for some reason when i do a post-up command in my network interfaces file i get a command not found when i can run it independantly on its own. everything typed correctly. ideas? |
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| 13:12.20 | tremon | 1) is your command a shell builtin? 2) are you specifying the full path to the file? |
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| 13:14.54 | pycoderf | tremon: yes to both. it is iiptables-restore. actually i removed quotes and it does not complain but wont reload my firewall rules correctly |
| 13:15.07 | pycoderf | when i do service networking restart |
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| 13:16.47 | tremon | pycoderf: can you paste your interfaces file? |
| 13:16.57 | pycoderf | sure. is it because im connected via ssh? |
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| 13:17.15 | tremon | that should have no effect |
| 13:17.40 | tremon | btw the correct response to question 1 would have been "no, it's not a shell builtin" ;) |
| 13:18.02 | pycoderf | tremon: http://pastebin.com/QH3MCpiB |
| 13:19.01 | Energy | i am an idiot lalalalala lala !!! who want suck my dick ? lalalala lala ! :-) |
| 13:19.44 | centrx | Good one |
| 13:20.27 | Brigo | pycoderf, did you know the iptables-persistent package? |
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| 13:21.25 | tremon | pycoderf: I'm not sure if input redirection works in up scripts |
| 13:22.05 | tremon | it's possible ifup is running the command through system() directly, and not through sh. I can't find it in the man page |
| 13:22.37 | tremon | although the "|| true" note does imply shell parsing |
| 13:23.16 | Anarch | I installed kde-full instead of kde-standard, and now discover that that didn't even install an X server or kdm (because I told aptitude not to automatically install recommended packages). So I've been going thru the recommendeds, trying to answer questions like whether I really need polkit-kde-1, guessing yes, and discovering that *that* installs kdebase-runtime ... so I'm wondering whether installing kde-full was a mistake. Its description in `apt-cache show |
| 13:23.38 | Ssquidly | quick question : which one is better for a seedbox between utorrent and transmission ? |
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| 13:24.37 | tremon | Ssquidly: are you running debian? |
| 13:25.12 | pycoderf | tremon: i think i got it |
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| 13:26.30 | pycoderf | tremon: https://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 13:26.37 | pycoderf | no interfaces edits needed |
| 13:26.50 | Energy | all jew must be die in a holocaust. |
| 13:26.58 | pycoderf | now if i do service networking restart it works fine |
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| 13:30.09 | tremon | good. But it's still not clear to me why a post-up rule like yours should fail. |
| 13:30.16 | Ssquidly | tremon: of course ^^ |
| 13:30.21 | pycoderf | tremon: i am unsure as well but does not seem needed |
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| 13:30.55 | tremon | Ssquidly: in that case, utorrent doesn't seem to be available in debian. Easy choice |
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| 13:31.36 | dvs | yay |
| 13:32.00 | Ssquidly | tremon: well that's a very good point ^^ i'll go with that |
| 13:32.16 | babilen | Please call !ops in cases like this, ta! |
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| 13:33.05 | jnull | hi everyone |
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| 13:34.47 | jmd | jnull: everyone logged off three minutes ago. |
| 13:35.21 | jnull | jmd: hm, bad news :| |
| 13:35.33 | jnull | I can't see my external monitor using xrandr, the internal one is showed as 'unknown'. I would work with dual monitor and I'm looking for a little help |
| 13:35.58 | jnull | http://pastebin.com/4tLNi2Fv |
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| 13:36.15 | jnull | Can anyone give me some clues? |
| 13:36.24 | karlpinc | jnull: You want to use lspci -v and see what it says about your cards. |
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| 13:36.57 | karlpinc | jnull: Then you can install the appropirate xorg-video-driver-* (iirc) package. |
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| 13:37.45 | tremon | that's xorg-server-video-* :) |
| 13:37.51 | jnull | karlpinc: ok, I'll try. lspci by the way http://wklej.to/yW6hq |
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| 13:38.06 | karlpinc | tremon: thanks |
| 13:38.06 | tremon | arg. xserver-xorg-video-* |
| 13:38.28 | karlpinc | tremon: Yeah. Did it just a few days ago. My brain leaks. |
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| 13:39.38 | tremon | jnull: that looks new. If you already have xserver-xorg-video-intel, you might need to install both the kernel and Xserver from backports |
| 13:40.11 | jnull | tremon: inux debian 3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.14.7-1~bpo70+1 (2014-06-21) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:40.20 | jnull | I've installed from backports as I remember |
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| 13:40.51 | jnull | Since that moment wifi and touchpad works, bluetooth sometimes crashes. |
| 13:40.58 | tremon | can you paste the output of apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel as well? |
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| 13:42.01 | jnull | http://wklej.to/8u4xa |
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| 13:42.45 | jnull | I've read in someplace it'll be a good thing to get kernel and drivers from testing, what do you think about it? |
| 13:42.56 | tremon | jnull: you don't have Xserver from backports yet |
| 13:43.24 | tremon | oh, apparently X isn't backported |
| 13:43.37 | jnull | I'm a littleconfused |
| 13:43.46 | jnull | So how can i backpoort it? |
| 13:44.23 | jnull | I don't remember the command I typed, I need to go trough my notes |
| 13:44.24 | tremon | I wouldn't recommend it. It's possible but not easy |
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| 13:48.09 | tremon | jnull: it would be safer to do a full upgrade to testing than to start mixing stable and testing packages |
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| 13:50.39 | jnull | tremon: ok, I'll do a full upgrade to testing and I'll share the results |
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| 13:55.02 | hydra7 | same here jnull |
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| 13:56.01 | jnull | hydra7: so wait for me, I'll be right back typing from teseting. Will see does the upgrade help or not. |
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| 13:56.45 | hydra7 | jnull: my download speed sucks still 31 minues to go with 61.7kB/s |
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| 14:20.10 | l_r | hello |
| 14:20.20 | l_r | is debian based on systemd? |
| 14:20.31 | abrotman | based on? |
| 14:20.54 | l_r | is it using sysv init or systemd? |
| 14:20.56 | abrotman | l_r: rephrase your question, that doesn't make sense |
| 14:21.05 | meek_geek | hello. |
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| 14:22.06 | hydra7 | l_r: Wheezy uses sysv init I guess |
| 14:22.24 | l_r | but are there plans to switch to systemd? |
| 14:22.44 | l_r | i am afraid... i had nightmares with system in past |
| 14:23.01 | abrotman | l_r: yes, jessie will default to systemd, you can choose another |
| 14:23.25 | abrotman | l_r: wheezy, the current stable, uses sysv instead as the default |
| 14:24.04 | hydra7 | abrotman: I have read that systemd limit the architecture to i*86 and amd64 |
| 14:24.18 | abrotman | No? |
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| 14:25.18 | abrotman | hydra7: in Unstable, systemd has packages for alpha amd64 arm64 armel armhf hppa i386 mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390x sparc x32 |
| 14:25.31 | abrotman | hydra7: so, that seems to completely invalidate whatever rubbish you've heard |
| 14:25.37 | jmd | both sysv and systemd are obsolete. The new standard is dmd |
| 14:25.42 | l_r | lol |
| 14:25.51 | l_r | systemd is broken by design |
| 14:26.15 | l_r | i've seen things you people wouldn't believe |
| 14:26.20 | jmd | dmd is however not so mature. |
| 14:26.29 | abrotman | l_r: Do you need help with Debian? This is not the channel for whining |
| 14:26.37 | hydra7 | I have no idea I barely use commands related to sysv or systemd |
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| 14:27.36 | abrotman | figured .. |
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| 14:38.56 | Guest63735 | I am trying to download a torrent to a vfat-formatted USB-stick to which the unprivileged user has read and write access but transmission-gtk says "Error: Permission denied (<path>)" |
| 14:39.07 | l_r | I am trying to make my own deb package for a program I wrote. I would like to let the user configure the program during installation. How can I do this? I have seen this being done via ncurses-like interfaces, but I am not sure if ncurses would be a requirement of the package then (I don't want this) |
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| 14:39.33 | Guest63735 | I have tried both mounting as root with "mount /dev/sd[...]" and via thunar file manager: same result... :-( |
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| 14:41.20 | Brigo | l_r, i think you better ask in #debian-mentors |
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| 14:42.08 | l_r | Brigo, that channel does not exist anymore |
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| 14:42.34 | Brigo | l_r, in OFTC network, sorry |
| 14:43.09 | Brigo | Guest63735, are you sure that your user can write in the device? |
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| 14:43.46 | a_person | Brigo: yes, touch works, for example |
| 14:44.00 | a_person | Brigo: (I am he) |
| 14:44.34 | Brigo | i can undestand who you can write in a filesytem and transmision has no permission. |
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| 14:46.31 | a_person | Brigo: can I somehow link the permission my unprivileged account has on xterm to transmission? I have root-access. |
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| 14:47.11 | Brigo | no, you can, and you should not. |
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| 14:47.29 | Brigo | why do you need root-access if you user can access the device? |
| 14:47.36 | a_person | Brigo: I am wondering whether this has something to do with transmission not being compatible with vfat or something |
| 14:48.02 | abrotman | which user is running transmission ? which user has mounted the device? |
| 14:48.09 | abrotman | what are the perms on the mount point? |
| 14:48.18 | Brigo | a_person, that do not matter. |
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| 14:53.37 | Guest63735 | I am back at the computer. I am running transmission as the user "user" and have tried both, mounting as root with "mount /dev/sd[...]" and as the respective unprivileged user via the thunar filemanager. |
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| 14:54.31 | abrotman | that didn't really answer my questions |
| 14:55.14 | Guest63735 | abrotman: it were at least intended to answer you first two questions from your first post :-) How do I find out the permissions on a mount point? |
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| 14:57.47 | Guest63735 | abrotman: with "respective user" I mean I have mounted the usb-memory via thunar file manager as the same user that is running transmission |
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| 14:59.06 | Guest63735 | by the way, I am only doing noble things using transmission-gtk |
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| 14:59.38 | Guest63735 | of course |
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| 15:03.32 | Walex | according to various official/semiofficial Debian networkk manuals, '/etc/network/interfaces' has several WPA-related options, but 'man 5 interfaces' does not list them. Where are they documented? |
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| 15:04.12 | abrotman | Walex: perhaps in the wpa-supplicant docs? |
| 15:04.50 | Walex | abrotman: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_wireless_lan_interface_with_wpa_wpa2 |
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| 15:05.27 | Walex | abrotman: those are 'ifupdown' options... |
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| 15:07.14 | Walex | even more strangely some docs involve an 'ifupdown' option 'wpa-roam' according to which 'wpa_supplicant' is expected to invoke 'ifup' on activating the interface, but there seems no trace of that in 'man wpa_supplicant.conf' either |
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| 15:07.43 | Guest63735 | abrotman: what question of yours haven't I answered? |
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| 15:10.26 | Walex | Ahhh the last one is vaguely documented in 'man wpa_action' |
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| 15:15.43 | Guest63735 | abrotman: I am experiencing it as slightly impolite to be randomly ignored from one moment to the next but okay, thanks anyway |
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| 15:18.29 | MarkG1234 | Hi, not sure if this a debian or a python question. I have python 2.7 installed, but I need a package managed by pip. why does it want to bring in 14MB of python 2.6 stuff? I run this on an embedded system, and could do without bloat. |
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| 15:19.33 | Walex | MarkG1234: if you don't know the answer already perhaps you should not be trying to run two distinct packaging system on the same host. |
| 15:20.32 | MarkG1234 | debian don't package the python modules I need. Why do I always end up getting a "fuck you, dumbass response" when I try and ask a simple question here? |
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| 15:22.08 | Guest63735 | heh, he should have asked abrotman :-) |
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| 15:23.36 | Walex | Guest63735: responding to questions here is entirely voluntary, and trying to pressure someone specific to give you answers is very counterproductive. |
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| 15:24.58 | babilen | It's no problem to manage a python 2.7 virtual environment with pip without having to bring in 2.6. The Debian packages do, however, work with 2.6 and 2.7 and therefore pull in the default version too. |
| 15:25.16 | babilen | Unfortunately MarkG1234 quite already, but meh |
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| 15:25.36 | babilen | (and it is perfectly fine to use pip on Debian and many Python developers do that) |
| 15:25.40 | Walex | babilen: also 'pip' and DPKG can pull in the same dependencies because they do the same stuff |
| 15:26.05 | Guest63735 | Walex: indeed. Everyone should deem himself a volunteer - or not. But asking two primitive questions and then ignoring the counterpart does worse than nothing - not writing anything at all, for example |
| 15:26.55 | Walex | babilen: sure you can use 'pip' and DPKG together, and even DPKG anmd RPM together, but then one should not be surprised that more stuff thasn expected gets pulled in, even if just 12MB. |
| 15:27.19 | babilen | Walex: There might be an overlap, but pip allows you to pull in everything that is in the cheeseshop. One, naturally, shouldn't install modules into the system's python site-packages with pip, but always do so in a separate virtualenv. |
| 15:27.21 | karlpinc | Walex: Virtual python environments are the preferred way to control this. |
| 15:27.51 | Guest63735 | it would be very interesting for me to know why transmission can't write into a directory, telling there were no permissions, while "touch"-ing works, saving LibreOffice documents, etc. |
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| 15:29.31 | Guest63735 | babilen, Walex, karlpinc: I don't have any of these issues using VMs for anything that my Debian stable cannot satisfy (via official repo, only main, etc.) |
| 15:29.38 | qsuscs | there is nothing such as g-cpan for debian? it builds ebuilds (gentoo "packages") automatically from cpan |
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| 15:30.54 | Walex | karlpinc: babilen: the source of my comment was this aspect: "bring in 14MB". that is really fine optimization, something that people who do virtual envs don't necessarily care about, and if you want to do that level of optimization, then perhaps understanding well how 'pip' and DPKG work is a bit of a prerequisite. I tnink... |
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| 15:31.26 | Walex | qsuscs: building a "proper" maitainanble package can be a rather big and subtle task. |
| 15:31.49 | karlpinc | qsuscs: It almost doesn't matter (you can use debtags to search). The problem with installing into the os is, well, it's a big and subtle task. :-) |
| 15:32.28 | Walex | qsuscs: Debian has several packaging tools to facilitate packaging Python, Perl, ... modules, and in simple cases it is just a few lines of macros, but it can be a lot harder than that. |
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| 15:33.13 | Walex | qsuscs: things like 'pip' and others take shortcuts. They work in the short term, but they pose significant issues in long term maintainability. |
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| 15:33.53 | Walex | Guest63735: perhaps 'transmission's message is about *another* directory. |
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| 15:34.38 | Walex | Guest63735: oer perhaps it is not running as yourself, or is trying to create files with a name not supported by the end file system. |
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| 15:35.13 | babilen | Walex: One should never tell somebody that that person doesn't know something. Either tell him/her what (s)he doesn't know or point out ways to gain that knowledge. Either way, lets move on ... Just a bit sad to see such a reaction. |
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| 15:36.32 | Guest63735 | Walex: it's definitely about the destination folder. Perhaps it's really a naming problem, since vfat is quite picky about names |
| 15:36.50 | pycoderf | hello. is it possible to have an array in a bash script written with one element per line? |
| 15:37.01 | Walex | pycoderf: #BASH |
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| 15:37.14 | peterrooney | pycoderf: /join #bash |
| 15:37.45 | karlpinc | Guest63735: Arn't there mount options that might do some vfat de-wonky-ing? |
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| 15:38.37 | doublehp | how to perform a recursive grep without following symlinks ? then, a zgrep ? |
| 15:38.50 | Guest63735 | karlpinc, Walex: I guess the problem is the file name containing `!' |
| 15:39.09 | Walex | doublehp: ideally #BASH too, but: 'find' seems the right approach |
| 15:39.28 | doublehp | Walex: find to read things inside files ? |
| 15:39.31 | Walex | doublehp: "recursive" 'grep' as in 'grep -r' is a great horror |
| 15:39.45 | jnull | doublehp: iterate over ls results with nofollow and -R options maybe |
| 15:39.49 | karlpinc | doublehp: find to find files to grep through. |
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| 15:39.58 | Walex | doublehp: Debian GNU/Linux does not use 'command.exe' as a shell :-) |
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| 15:40.26 | jelly-home | !tell jnull about parsing ls |
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| 15:40.53 | asterismo | hi people |
| 15:40.54 | Walex | doublehp: in UNIX/Linux culture, generating the list of file to process and processing them are different tasks to be done ideally with different commands |
| 15:40.59 | asterismo | i have a problem |
| 15:41.10 | asterismo | i have a Sony Vaio P pocket |
| 15:41.18 | TJ- | doublehp: something like "find . -type f | xargs grep 'SYNOPSIS' " |
| 15:41.28 | Walex | doublehp: 'find' can generate a custom list of names, and then you use 'xargs' and 'grep' to process them. |
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| 15:41.48 | asterismo | with Debian 7 wheezy |
| 15:41.51 | jelly-home | !using find |
| 15:41.51 | dpkg | somebody said using find was http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind or "man find" |
| 15:42.09 | karlpinc | doublehp: (Or, to be crude, use find -exec grep. But xargs is prettier.) |
| 15:42.24 | asterismo | and the video driver makes a subtle flicker in the upper part of the screen |
| 15:42.43 | doublehp | Walex: TJ- I am talking about 100 000 files, and several TiB |
| 15:42.50 | asterismo | so i enabled backports and installed a kerne 3.12, 3.13 and 3.14 and the flick is gone |
| 15:42.52 | karlpinc | asterismo: It would be more plesent if you pressed the enter key less often. |
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| 15:42.56 | jelly-home | jnull: please don't tell people to "iterate over ls results" |
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| 15:42.59 | asterismo | but now the audio is broken |
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| 15:43.19 | echo083 | hello, i have weird quotation marks in my filename i found it was because the filename encoding charset is wrong |
| 15:43.19 | asterismo | karlpinc: ok |
| 15:43.31 | doublehp | TJ-: xargs does not like working on more than a few hundred files |
| 15:43.32 | echo083 | i tried convmv but it says Skipping, already UTF-8 |
| 15:43.34 | karlpinc | asterismo: No worries. |
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| 15:43.42 | Walex | doublehp: "100 000 files, and several TiB" good luck, but you don't have many options to do it well. |
| 15:43.44 | echo083 | how to find my current filesystem charset ? |
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| 15:44.00 | Walex | echo083: there is no such thing for most filesystem types |
| 15:44.05 | doublehp | Walex: will require "while read line" loops ... several of them |
| 15:44.09 | Guest63735 | Walex, karlpinc: yes, transmission indeed told me that I would not have permission to write there but it was indeed because of a torrent having an exclamation mark in its name... |
| 15:44.13 | echo083 | Walex, how to get proper characters for my filenames then ? |
| 15:44.17 | karlpinc | asterismo: Sorry but don't know anything about audio. Is there anything in the dmesg output or the logs? |
| 15:44.26 | asterismo | so Amarok or even text based music player CMus reproduces the music with a bunch of stops and not in a fluid way... any ideas? |
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| 15:44.35 | Walex | doublehp: "xargs does not like working on more than a few hundred files" is a very bizarre misconception |
| 15:44.47 | echo083 | Walex, everybody on the net request to use convmv -f cp1252 -t utf8 * |
| 15:45.19 | doublehp | Walex: | xargs puts all names in the command line arguments; and a command line can not be more than 4K (or 4M) in bash |
| 15:45.24 | Walex | echo083: UNIX filesystems like IRC channels are "binary", that is they don't have any given encoding or charset |
| 15:45.26 | karlpinc | echo083: Your shell has a locale. That's how it works. |
| 15:45.26 | asterismo | the sound in fact sounds, but it is all in pieces, like pieces of audio 2 or 3 per second... this was not present in stock kernel 3.2 |
| 15:45.43 | echo083 | karlpinc, my locale is utf-8 |
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| 15:46.01 | doublehp | Walex: if you generate a very long list of stuff, bash will crash (with error messages) about "command too long" |
| 15:46.20 | Walex | echo083: so you can write filenames in UTF-8 or in ISO8859-1 or whatever else, and you have to *know* which encoding you used for which filename |
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| 15:46.35 | karlpinc | echo083: Just what is your problem? What are you trying to do, what happens, what did you expect? |
| 15:46.58 | Walex | doublehp: that's nothing to do with 'xargs', but with argvument vector size. The main reason why 'xargs' was designed to work around that limitation. |
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| 15:47.41 | echo083 | karlpinc, my filename is for the moment My_stupid_f??name.txt and i want a commandline to convert the ? with the real filename supported by my locale |
| 15:47.44 | asterismo | i'm booting the other kernel in the laptop |
| 15:47.48 | TJ- | doublehp: OK, how about "find . -type f -exec grep SYNOPSIS {} +" ? |
| 15:47.56 | Walex | doublehp: the list of file names to 'xargs' is not given in its argument vector, but in its 'stdin' |
| 15:48.17 | asterismo | dmesg shows nothimg |
| 15:48.24 | asterismo | is there any audio log? |
| 15:48.38 | Walex | doublehp: and 'xargs' feeds the list of filenames to its arguments in groups of N, where N is an option |
| 15:48.43 | Walex | TJ-: that's cruel |
| 15:49.00 | doublehp | TJ-: Walex i ll do it with fine and grep, but inside while read line, because this will WA buffer issues |
| 15:49.10 | karlpinc | TJ-: xargs is more efficient than find -exec. -0 is often needed with xargs. |
| 15:49.23 | Walex | doublehp: you are entirely free to be persuaded that you known better |
| 15:49.48 | TJ- | karlpinc: I'm aware of that, I was providing doublehp with an alternative to the piping to xargs example I'd given previously |
| 15:49.57 | karlpinc | TJ-: Ok. |
| 15:50.35 | asterismo | i even installed the RT kernel but the audio stills very very choppy |
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| 15:51.08 | Walex | is trying to avoid telling <doublehp> that he might reconsider doing tasks like that when he does not known even basic stuff about UNIX/Linux command processing :-) |
| 15:51.20 | karlpinc | asterismo: This is audio off disk, not streamed? (Just checking.) |
| 15:51.38 | Walex | asterismo: I have written a beautiful page or two about choppy audio, links to follow. |
| 15:51.54 | karlpinc | Walex: Don't worry about it. Everybody's ignorant about something. |
| 15:52.32 | doublehp | Walex: the while read line, as replacement for pipe and xargs is an peace of advice coming from #bash; so, if disagree, go there. |
| 15:52.38 | asterismo | i can hear the audio |
| 15:52.43 | asterismo | but it is in pieces |
| 15:52.49 | asterismo | i hear pieces of sound |
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| 15:53.11 | Walex | loves people who know better :-) |
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| 15:53.45 | Walex | asterismo: various bits in: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundLatency.html |
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| 15:54.05 | doublehp | Walex: if they are not here today, I can send you the IRC logs from previous discussions with them, where they spent hours trying to convince me to stop using | xargs, and use while read instead ... |
| 15:54.07 | Walex | http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#issues |
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| 15:54.34 | Walex | doublehp: not everybody on IRC is equally well informed :-) |
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| 15:58.25 | Walex | asterismo: sometimes what you are experiencing is the result of bad default values for two obscure ALSA library parameters, 'period_size' and 'buffer_size' |
| 15:59.18 | cybrNaut | can any packages do URL decoding? |
| 15:59.23 | cybrNaut | I ran "apt-cache search 'url decode'" and it came up empty |
| 16:00.01 | Guest63735 | cybrNaut: try aptitude search ~url~decode |
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| 16:00.17 | Guest63735 | cybrNaut: sorry, I mean aptitude search ~durl~ddecode |
| 16:00.28 | Walex | asterismo: there is a discussion of those parameters in the section "Simple output only sharing example" in http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#share |
| 16:01.02 | cybrNaut | Guest63735: thanks |
| 16:01.07 | Walex | cybrNaut: 'liburi-encode-perl' |
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| 16:01.34 | cybrNaut | Walex: i don't know perl |
| 16:02.09 | Walex | cybrNaut: it is a one liner, probably you can find an online page that shows it |
| 16:02.13 | Guest63735 | cybrNaut: without the trailing `e' there are more results: aptitude search ~durl~ddecod |
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| 16:02.48 | Walex | I used 'liburi-encode-perl' a few days ago for one URL, but can't remember the one liner |
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| 16:05.35 | Walex | cybrNaut: look also as 'urlscan', you can always 'echo' stuff into it I guess |
| 16:07.22 | formorer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.12 | formorer | that should do the trick |
| 16:08.35 | formorer | use uri_encode for encoding |
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| 16:09.50 | cybrNaut | formorer: indeed it does.. thanks. that'll be ugly in my tcl code.. but at least it will do the job |
| 16:10.54 | formorer | cybrNaut: http://wiki.tcl.tk/14144 |
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| 16:13.12 | cybrNaut | formorer: i saw that, but that's not an existing library.. but rather an implementation that would need to be copied in my application if I'm not mistaken. I guess i'd rather use the perl lib, since it's just one line of tcl |
| 16:14.08 | TJ- | cybrNaut: can you use "curl_easy_escape" ? |
| 16:14.39 | TJ- | cybrNaut: That's function in the libcurl library, you might be able to link to it |
| 16:14.40 | formorer | tclcurl - Tcl bindings to libcurl |
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| 16:15.10 | formorer | http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/c/curl_easy_escape.html |
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| 16:15.22 | TJ- | formorer: That sounds useful :) |
| 16:15.22 | formorer | so the answer is: yes. |
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| 16:15.52 | cybrNaut | looks like curl_easy_escape is in the C api, but not the tcl api |
| 16:16.54 | TJ- | cybrNaut: "curl::escape" and "curl::unescape" ? |
| 16:17.25 | formorer | cybrNaut: as far as I can read the library is bound directly to the c lib and all functions should be available. |
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| 16:18.33 | cybrNaut | TJ-: i'll check it out... but I recall that the curl option --data-urencode was specifically omitted from tclcurl, so I'll be surprised if the encoder/decoder is there |
| 16:19.28 | TJ- | cybrNaut: The tclcurl docs specify those |
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| 16:20.07 | TJ- | cybrNaut: "man 3 tclcurl" |
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| 16:21.36 | daslicht | i locked byself ot of my debian server |
| 16:21.50 | daslicht | I tried to reset iptables with iptables -F |
| 16:21.55 | cybrNaut | TJ-, formorer: curl::unescape works. i appreciate all the help |
| 16:22.00 | daslicht | but now no longer connections are accepted on port 22 |
| 16:22.18 | cybrNaut | I'm surprised the facility is there considering it's not available for POST operations |
| 16:22.28 | daslicht | I have access via a rescue system but i dont know how to make it accept on port 22 again |
| 16:22.31 | daslicht | any idea? |
| 16:22.34 | ZIPY | does someone have a usefull debian android music sync solution where you can rate tracks on your pc and android device that will be synced? |
| 16:22.51 | daslicht | https://gist.github.com/daslicht/27136ad71bf0b642e769 |
| 16:22.55 | TJ- | daslicht: check the current rules first to see if you've got partial configuration |
| 16:23.07 | daslicht | looks like there arent any rules at all? |
| 16:23.41 | TJ- | daslicht: not in the default 'filter' table, but there may be in others. Better to do "iptables-save" to see all rules (output to stdout by default) |
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| 16:24.06 | daslicht | https://gist.github.com/daslicht/85133d122b8d27701468 |
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| 16:24.34 | daslicht | is therer a way to get rid of all rules ? |
| 16:24.37 | TJ- | daslicht: perfect... so now check the ssh daemon is listening |
| 16:24.57 | daslicht | sorry i am a servr noob |
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| 16:25.23 | TJ- | daslicht: "sudo netstat -tnlp | grep 22" (assuming you have sshd on standard port 22) |
| 16:25.28 | formorer | cybrNaut: % package require TclCurl |
| 16:25.28 | formorer | 7.22.0 |
| 16:25.28 | formorer | % set escaped [curl::escape {What about this?}] |
| 16:25.28 | formorer | What%20about%20this%3F |
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| 16:25.30 | daslicht | https://gist.github.com/daslicht/30660d259f43117bee8f |
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| 16:25.35 | formorer | oh mei. |
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| 16:26.10 | formorer | cybrNaut: my tcl is a bit rusty. so it took some time. |
| 16:26.20 | daslicht | TJ-: will this also show the correct process? I am running throught that rescue system |
| 16:26.30 | cybrNaut | formorer: it's quite useful. This will replace some nasty code I used previously |
| 16:26.55 | daslicht | its running instead of my real server , so that i can repair it |
| 16:27.05 | TJ- | daslicht: What is the 'rescue system'? Is it a remote network console to the running server, *or* an alternative OS boot to fix things from? |
| 16:27.21 | daslicht | its an alternative system |
| 16:27.38 | formorer | I am happy I don't have to use tcl anymore. The language was even old and rusty when I started it in the middle of the nineties with eggdrop bots. |
| 16:27.42 | TJ- | daslicht: aha! so, that explains things. The faulty server is *not* running so any commands we run won't show its state but the state of the rescue system, which will be fine (as you're using it!) |
| 16:27.53 | daslicht | i see |
| 16:28.11 | daslicht | is there a way to disable somehoe iptables ? |
| 16:28.29 | daslicht | so thats not automatically starting on next boot of the real sys? |
| 16:28.42 | daslicht | http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/Hetzner_Rescue-System/en |
| 16:28.48 | daslicht | thats the rescue system i am using |
| 16:29.26 | frostschutz | daslicht, hetzner has vkvm so you can boot up the real system in a kvm. apart from that you can just mount the root partition in the rescue and edit your config as you see fit |
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| 16:29.46 | TJ- | daslicht: So, you'll need to - at a minimum - mount the root file-system of the 'bad' OS into this rescue environment, then look in that OS's "/etc/" directory to find the iptables-save file. You can probably find it by cat-ing the "/etc/network/interfaces" file. So, assuming you mount the 'bad' root-FS to /mnt/ you can do "cat /mnt/etc/network/interfaces" and see which file "iptables-restore" is loading |
| 16:30.17 | i5um41ru | Help: I ca'nt boot into my debian.. stuck with initramfs shell.. |
| 16:30.21 | daslicht | ok i mounted the root partition |
| 16:30.33 | oxez | I installed a package with dpkg -i. I needed to run apt-get install -f to install the de |
| 16:30.34 | daslicht | what do you suggest to edit ? |
| 16:30.44 | oxez | the dependencies*, are they installed as deps? |
| 16:30.49 | daslicht | aha |
| 16:31.21 | TJ- | daslicht: You've find the file that iptables-restore loads? |
| 16:31.27 | TJ- | s/find/found/ ? |
| 16:31.38 | daslicht | let me have a look |
| 16:31.44 | daslicht | i am still slow on such things |
| 16:32.05 | daslicht | i have : iptables.up.rules |
| 16:32.24 | TJ- | daslicht: That sounds promising... can you pastebin its contents for us? |
| 16:32.38 | daslicht | i also have : iptables.up.rules.ajenti |
| 16:32.48 | i5um41ru | anyone can help me..? |
| 16:33.04 | daslicht | https://gist.github.com/daslicht/1942f6b7947e776e0255 |
| 16:33.13 | daslicht | thats the content of iptables.up.rules |
| 16:33.18 | TJ- | daslicht: "Ajenti" is a web server control panel, have you used that to define firewall rules? |
| 16:33.26 | daslicht | i tried to yes |
| 16:34.07 | TJ- | Are both those files being loaded by "iptables-restore" commands in the interfaces file? |
| 16:34.19 | daslicht | i havent found that file yet |
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| 16:34.29 | ejit | I have just searched the internet for a way to limit the bandwidth of an already running process (by PID or anyhow) and am wondering whether there is really no way except going to great lengths with iptables. Any idea? |
| 16:34.43 | TJ- | daslicht: The "iptables.up.rules" as it is, is good. It allows port 22 connections. |
| 16:35.12 | daslicht | https://gist.github.com/daslicht/c75d8069f77075b817ea |
| 16:35.16 | TJ- | daslicht: Those files are usually in "/etc/" or "/etc/network/" ... the absolute path should be used in "/etc/network/interfaces" though |
| 16:35.18 | daslicht | do you mean this file ? |
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| 16:36.59 | TJ- | daslicht: Yes, I did. I'm surprised it doesn't show a command to run "iptables-restore" since that is how saved rules are loaded. I'm wondering if there is a separate script to do that. See of you can find one by doing "grep -rn 'iptables-restore' /mnt/rescue/etc/*" |
| 16:37.35 | daslicht | cat /mnt/etc/network/interfaceshttps://gist.github.com/daslicht/e73fd89d1fe33aaafd29 |
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| 16:38.18 | pycoderf | hello all. in /etc/crontab do i need to include the user field? it is not used in redbhat and that file only runs as root |
| 16:38.49 | daslicht | https://gist.github.com/daslicht/e3e9e9260202fd727c4b |
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| 16:39.53 | TJ- | daslicht: Yay, that's great. So, "/etc/iptables.up.rules" is loaded at boot-time. And according to your pastebin the rules to allow port 22 SSH are there, so the server should *just work* when you reboot it to the regular OS. |
| 16:40.16 | daslicht | when i reboot i get connection refused |
| 16:40.23 | daslicht | when i try to connect via ssh :( |
| 16:40.37 | daslicht | looks like i have damaged something else |
| 16:40.43 | daslicht | of ajenti |
| 16:40.44 | daslicht | or |
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| 16:41.07 | daslicht | it all happend after i ran iptables -F |
| 16:41.51 | daslicht | -A INPUT --protocol tcp --match tcp --destination-port 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 16:41.59 | TJ- | daslicht: "-F" is flush... but only operates on the live rules. The saved rules are intact. Therefore, we have to suppose that Ajenti is somehow applying more firewall rules later, which means we have to discover where/how it saves those rules |
| 16:41.59 | daslicht | does that rule also include ssh? |
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| 16:42.20 | TJ- | daslicht: that is the rule that allows TCP port 22 connections, a.k.a. SSH |
| 16:42.29 | daslicht | ok fine |
| 16:42.45 | daslicht | what about disable autostart of ajenti ? |
| 16:42.51 | daslicht | and trying to boot |
| 16:43.24 | TJ- | daslicht: great idea! |
| 16:44.00 | daslicht | whats the best way ? |
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| 16:44.10 | daslicht | deleting /mnt/rescue/etc/init.d/ajenti ? |
| 16:44.12 | TJ- | daslicht: before you do... |
| 16:44.31 | TJ- | daslicht: Can you pastebin the "/mnt/rescue/etc/iptables.up.rules.ajenti" so I can double-check it |
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| 16:44.48 | daslicht | https://gist.github.com/daslicht/ca8ef5af479306f324da |
| 16:44.54 | daslicht | here ya go |
| 16:45.05 | daslicht | looks the same |
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| 16:45.18 | daslicht | oh :INPUT DROP [0:0] |
| 16:45.23 | daslicht | sound evil |
| 16:45.24 | daslicht | ? |
| 16:45.24 | TJ- | daslicht: It looks fine |
| 16:45.27 | daslicht | ok |
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| 16:45.40 | silicone | Hello. I am running debian on an old machine and I notice that at first when I start up or log in it runs quite quickly, but after 30 minutes of browsing it slows down and the memory usage of the internet browser creeps up. Can I change this, or this just an old hardware reality? |
| 16:45.48 | TJ- | daslicht: No, that "INPUT DROP" is the *default* action if no rules in the INPUT chain match |
| 16:45.51 | daslicht | will it be enough just to remove the ajenti file form init.d ? |
| 16:46.45 | TJ- | daslicht: No, that is the wrong way. You just need to delete the symlink from the mnt/rescue/etc/rc.*/ directories. |
| 16:47.02 | tubaman | silicone: what browser are you using? |
| 16:47.04 | TJ- | daslicht: I'm trying to remember what runlevel debian server uses, I think it is 2 |
| 16:47.44 | TJ- | daslicht: That being the case, you should be able to remove "/mnt/rescue/etc/rc2.d/ajenti" or whatever it is called and then ajenti won't be started for runlevel 2 |
| 16:48.14 | silicone | tubaman: Right now Midori, but the same thing happened with luakit and dwb. I really liked xxxterm, which seemed the fasteds, but I could not figure out how to configure the homepage and user agent... |
| 16:48.22 | i5um41ru | how to solve this: mounting /dev on /root/dev failed: No such file or directory |
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| 16:48.59 | tubaman | silicone: how much RAM to you have in this old machine? |
| 16:48.59 | daslicht | therer is also a ajenti file in rc0.d |
| 16:49.01 | daslicht | ? |
| 16:49.11 | TJ- | daslicht: And whilst you're looking in "/mnt/rescue/rc2.d/" make sure the 'ssh' server init is in there... SSH server not starting could also explain why you get "Connection Refused" - especially as the firewall rules we've seen appear to be correct |
| 16:49.52 | daslicht | cd https://gist.github.com/daslicht/bf61ffba6febe38f86fa |
| 16:50.02 | silicone | tubaman: Do I use "free -m" ? gives total 247. |
| 16:50.20 | silicone | tubaman: It's an Ibook g3. |
| 16:50.24 | TJ- | daslicht: runlevel 0 is the shutdown services, so that'll issue the 'stop' command |
| 16:50.31 | rozie | silicone: can you add more RAM? |
| 16:50.40 | daslicht | ok i move the ajenti file and reboot |
| 16:50.43 | daslicht | :D |
| 16:50.53 | tubaman | silicone: so I it looks like you only have 256M of RAM |
| 16:51.21 | silicone | rozie: I'm a bit of a newbie, would that require adding hardware? Could I use a usb? |
| 16:51.22 | tubaman | that's probably not enough to run any modern browser without swapping |
| 16:51.37 | TJ- | daslicht: I notice you also seem to have "webmin" installed - another server control panel, and it seems to be set to start, too |
| 16:51.38 | tubaman | silicone: it's the swapping that's probably causing the slow down |
| 16:51.47 | silicone | tubaman: Swapping is at 5 |
| 16:51.48 | TJ- | daslicht: So that could interfere too |
| 16:52.01 | silicone | tubaman: I reduced it from 60. |
| 16:52.02 | rozie | silicone: no, you have to insert chip. why do you use such an old hardware? |
| 16:52.04 | daslicht | ok so better delete tmove that too |
| 16:52.29 | TJ- | daslicht: Would be advisable; that could be what is causing the entire issue if it has no rules configured |
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| 16:52.49 | silicone | tubman: It's true, the RAM is low, but why does it perform so much better in the first 5 minutes and then slow down? |
| 16:53.12 | rozie | because all ram is used, and then it starts to use swap |
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| 16:53.13 | silicone | tubaman: And the memory usage climbs |
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| 16:53.30 | silicone | rozie: So can I just prevent that from happening? |
| 16:53.34 | greenpanda | is anyone willing to help me out a bit? |
| 16:53.45 | silicone | rozie: would that improve performance? |
| 16:54.11 | greenpanda | i forgotten the administrative passcode on my sid os |
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| 16:54.19 | tubaman | silicone: perhaps you can reduce overall memory usage by stopping other unnecessary process |
| 16:54.23 | tubaman | er: processes |
| 16:54.29 | rozie | silicone: first of all, check which services use RAM |
| 16:54.32 | silicone | rozie: I could user a newer machine, but that linux can bring old hardware (12 years old!) back to life, for email, browsing, irc, music is a miracle! |
| 16:54.38 | rozie | maybe you can disable some |
| 16:54.50 | rozie | what window manager do you use? |
| 16:54.50 | silicone | rozie: is there a certain command for this? "top"? |
| 16:54.57 | rozie | top. |
| 16:54.59 | silicone | rozie: lxde |
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| 16:55.06 | rozie | lxde is fine |
| 16:55.20 | silicone | rozie: gnome would kill it! |
| 16:55.43 | silicone | tubaman: How can I tell what processes are necessary. I tried killing xorg once.... |
| 16:55.54 | daslicht | TJ-: ssh: connect to host ansolas.de port 22: Connection refused |
| 16:55.59 | rozie | greenpanda: http://blog.r3gi.net/2010/04/reset-hasla-roota-debian/ (PL so use google translate) |
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| 16:56.13 | greenpanda | thx rosie |
| 16:56.21 | tubaman | silicone: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/4999/how-to-find-which-processes-are-taking-all-the-memory |
| 16:56.23 | TJ- | daslicht: Are you sure the host has started? |
| 16:56.29 | silicone | tubman: rozie: can I paste top results? |
| 16:56.29 | rozie | bbl |
| 16:56.42 | tubaman | silicone: use a pastebin |
| 16:56.56 | TJ- | daslicht: I have not been able to ping it, so far |
| 16:57.02 | tubaman | silicone: http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 16:57.50 | TJ- | daslicht: Also, as well as the "iptables -F" what else did you do/change around the same time? |
| 16:57.58 | daslicht | nothing |
| 16:58.17 | daslicht | after executing iptable -F i instantly lost the connection to teh server |
| 16:58.48 | daslicht | ha! |
| 16:58.51 | daslicht | I am in again |
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| 17:00.25 | TJ- | daslicht: what happened? |
| 17:00.33 | daslicht | I have no clue |
| 17:00.53 | daslicht | looks like disableing the autostarts was the correct move |
| 17:01.01 | TJ- | daslicht: I think the disk was being checked... and therefore no services were started until that was complete... you just needed patience |
| 17:01.11 | daslicht | :D |
| 17:01.49 | TJ- | daslicht: the iptables rules from "/etc/network/interfaces" and the Ajenti rules are identical, so I can't see those causing the issue, but you should now replace those symlinks and so another reboot to test that |
| 17:01.57 | daslicht | hm apache is still broken |
| 17:02.02 | silicone | tubaman: rozie: http://paste.debian.net/108291/ |
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| 17:02.23 | TJ- | daslicht: On which port? |
| 17:02.33 | silicone | tubman: midori is not shown, but it is at about 46 % right now.... |
| 17:02.35 | daslicht | http://www.ansolas.de |
| 17:03.03 | silicone | tubaman: When I first open midori, it goes at maybe 20, 25, then climbs.... |
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| 17:03.22 | TJ- | daslicht: there is no firewall rule to open port 80 so that isn't surprising! I managed a connection to port 8000 briefly just as the server started, but then lost it |
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| 17:03.29 | pippoli | ciao |
| 17:03.35 | pippoli | !list |
| 17:03.35 | dpkg | pippoli: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 17:03.50 | daslicht | ok TJ- thank you ! |
| 17:04.00 | daslicht | at leat i have access to my files |
| 17:04.21 | TJ- | daslicht: Do you know how to replace those /etc/rc2.d/ sym-links? |
| 17:04.27 | daslicht | not really :D |
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| 17:04.57 | silicone | rozie: Could it be that the machine gets too warm? |
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| 17:05.25 | TJ- | daslicht: "sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/ajenti /etc/rc2.d/S03ajenti" and "sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/webmin /etc/rc2.d/S03webmin" |
| 17:05.47 | tubaman | silicone: you're using kupfer as your launcher which is taking up some RAM... you could find something smaller |
| 17:06.00 | daslicht | thank you ! |
| 17:06.01 | tubaman | silicone: you can also remove pbbuttonsd to save RAM |
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| 17:06.22 | silicone | tubaman: how could I remove pbbuttonsd? |
| 17:06.24 | tubaman | silicone: it's unlikely (too warm) |
| 17:06.30 | TJ- | daslicht: Then you can start Ajenti with "sudo service ajenti start" |
| 17:06.40 | silicone | tubaman: any suggestionson alternatives to kupfer? |
| 17:07.37 | silicone | tubaman: So is it normal and unavoidable that %MEM just climbs? |
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| 17:09.15 | tubaman | silicone: you could switch from LXDE to openbox or JWM |
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| 17:09.51 | tubaman | puppylinux which is known for it's low RAM usage uses those |
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| 17:10.40 | tubaman | silicone: it's not that the RAM usage increases forever, it's just that modern web browsing requires more RAM that you currently have available |
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| 17:11.13 | jlim | hey guys |
| 17:11.27 | jlim | i am trying to chmod -R 777 |
| 17:11.35 | jlim | but will not work |
| 17:11.44 | jlim | should work right? |
| 17:12.03 | jlim | in /proc/asound |
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| 17:12.46 | tubaman | jlim: proc is a special filesystem. I'm not sure you can change permissions there |
| 17:12.57 | tubaman | anyone else know? |
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| 17:13.31 | jlim | tubaman, i need to edit /proc/asound/cards hot do i do that? |
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| 17:14.00 | jmcnaught | jlim: why do you need to edit that file? that file isn't meant to be edited. what are you really trying to do? |
| 17:14.12 | Sec | tubaman: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt |
| 17:14.24 | jlim | it is starting the wrong sound card |
| 17:14.31 | Sec | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.34 | jlim | i need to change the order |
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| 17:15.12 | silicone | tubaman: I did try openbox. I was under the impression that it used more than lxde. |
| 17:15.39 | jlim | tubaman, i need to change the order the sound of the sound cards in /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:16.07 | arven | jlim: look in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf for examples of "prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0" |
| 17:16.15 | daslicht | TJ-: added port 80 to the ajenti firewall and anything works :D |
| 17:16.39 | TJ- | daslicht: nice :) |
| 17:17.07 | daslicht | TJ-: btw, i started to use iptable because i liked to block some email servers which send daily spam to me |
| 17:17.20 | daslicht | is ip tables teh correct place for uch blocks? |
| 17:17.37 | silicone | tubaman: So, when I start using a browser it might just be at MEM 30, but due to complexe pages, it could climb to and remain at MEM 45? I guess I'll just go elinks! |
| 17:17.44 | TJ- | jlim: "/proc/asound/cards" is read-only; you cannot write to it. Configuring the default sound device is done in the ALSA or pulseaudio configuration |
| 17:18.20 | TJ- | daslicht: "iptables" is the common command-line utility for setting kernel netfilter rules; it is absolutely the correct tool. |
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| 17:18.46 | jlim | TJ-, where is the config file for alsa |
| 17:19.15 | tubaman | silicone: I think Midori is a good choice |
| 17:19.16 | TJ- | daslicht: However, when you have a server control panel like Ajenti or Webmin and you're setting rules in it, you shouldn't have another set of rules being applied from "/etc/network/interfaces" ... keep the rules under the control of one tool |
| 17:19.43 | TJ- | jlim: see https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
| 17:19.44 | daslicht | TJ-: ok fine |
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| 17:20.10 | TJ- | daslicht: If you're going to continue using Ajenti I'd remove the "iptables-restore" line from "/etc/network/interfaces" |
| 17:20.12 | silicone | tubaman: Thanks for the info - I'm going to test out jwm. |
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| 17:20.30 | tubaman | silicone: no prob. have fun |
| 17:20.31 | jlim | TJ-, i been to that page where it says the file is it is not on my computer |
| 17:20.39 | TJ- | daslicht: but remember, if you do that, you must always set firewall rules using the Ajenti control panel to ensure they're saved to its rules file |
| 17:21.06 | jnull | Updatting to sid not helped for monitors detecting nor bluetooth crashes :-( |
| 17:21.10 | daslicht | TJ-: i think ajenti will write in that restore file when you click apply |
| 17:21.19 | TJ- | daslicht: It will. |
| 17:21.36 | jnull | I ran ubuntu from pendrive and there everythings except multitouch work fine |
| 17:21.50 | TJ- | jlim: It depends on which sound-server is in use, it could be Pulseaudio, in which case see https://wiki.debian.org/en/PulseAudio |
| 17:21.53 | daslicht | hm but if i remove "iptables-restore" line from "/etc/network/interfaces" nothing is loaded at all no? |
| 17:21.58 | jlim | alsa |
| 17:22.37 | jlim | TJ-, i have alsa and the debian alsa wiki is not correct |
| 17:22.43 | formorer | jnull: this is #debian, you may want to try an ubuntu specific channel |
| 17:22.45 | TJ- | daslicht: I think you'll find, if you check the Ajenti start-up scripts, they will be doing "iptables-restore /etc/iptables.up.rules.ajenti" or whatever that file is called |
| 17:22.50 | jlim | TJ-, FILE DOES NOT EXIST THERE |
| 17:22.50 | jnull | I have a question: detecting monitors/screens is a kernel function or other software take care of this functionality? |
| 17:23.04 | jnull | formorer: I'm running debian |
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| 17:23.16 | formorer | 19:21 <jnull> I ran ubuntu from pendrive and there everythings except multitouch work fine |
| 17:23.16 | jlim | TJ-, xfce alsa |
| 17:23.16 | daslicht | ok |
| 17:23.19 | formorer | yes? |
| 17:23.48 | jnull | Just checked how my pc works under ubuntu. |
| 17:24.28 | TJ- | jlim: which file is "it" ? |
| 17:24.43 | jlim | /etc/asound.conf |
| 17:24.58 | jlim | TJ-, /etc/asound.conf |
| 17:25.49 | TJ- | jlim: The usual solution is to create/edit "/etc/asound.conf" according to http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc |
| 17:26.47 | TJ- | jlim: I think you need, at minimum, a section with "pcm.!default {" "type hw" "card X" "}" where "X" is the index number of the default sound card |
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| 17:30.27 | jlim | TJ-, where does it say that. and in what file do i put that in? |
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| 17:32.37 | babilen | jlim: Did you read the article on default alsa cards I linked yesterday? |
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| 17:47.43 | ejit | I have searched the internet for a way to limit the bandwidth of an already running process (by PID or anyhow) and am wondering whether there is really no way except going to great lengths with iptables. After all, I am looking for something like trickle but want to throttle an already running process. Any idea? |
| 17:50.30 | Walex | ejit: amazingly vague. |
| 17:51.18 | jhutchins | ejit: why? What kind of process? |
| 17:52.30 | jelly-home | ejit: no way to apply a LD_PRELOAD library solution like trickle to a running process. Use netfilter |
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| 17:53.07 | cesurasean | ive checked /etc/resolv.conf, and /etc/network/interfaces and both files look fine, but im unable to ping 8.8.8.8 or google.com using my box. |
| 17:53.11 | cesurasean | any suggestions to get this working? |
| 17:53.15 | tharkun | I'm installing a server and it is asking for a file on firmware-linux-nonfree. Is there a simple way to download it like wget something ; unpack and have it all on a simple usb? |
| 17:53.27 | cesurasean | when i do ifconfig it shows my card with the right ip address in it. |
| 17:53.40 | cesurasean | i can also ping my router, and my computer itself. |
| 17:53.45 | tharkun | ip route ls |
| 17:53.54 | tharkun | mtr -r is your friend |
| 17:54.13 | Walex | cesurasean: 'tcptraceroute' and 'traceroute' too |
| 17:54.14 | jelly-home | cesurasean: care to show your /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 17:54.27 | babilen | tharkun: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ |
| 17:54.29 | cesurasean | how can i show you? i have no way to show it. |
| 17:54.40 | jhutchins | !installer firmware |
| 17:54.40 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 17:54.48 | ejit | Walex: what is vague? |
| 17:54.49 | formorer | ejit: the generic answer is: mark the packages with iptables (i.e. based on destination ip or port) and then use tc to ratelimit those packages. http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-traffic-shaping-using-tc-to-control-http-traffic/ should help |
| 17:55.10 | jelly-home | cesurasean: write it down into a pastebin site, transfer over a usb stick, made a screenshot with a camera phone... |
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| 17:55.15 | babilen | tharkun: Just unpack it on the second partition of the USB stick. You will have to create a filesystem there |
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| 17:55.18 | ejit | jhutchins: for example a running download with the primitive download manager integrated into common browsers |
| 17:55.24 | r3zn0r | tharkun https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 17:55.39 | tharkun | babilen: Thanks will download that for the next install. |
| 17:55.41 | jelly-home | s,made,make, |
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| 17:56.07 | Walex | ejit: just about everything you wrote: which bandwidth? how do you defined bandwidth? for every possible connection for a process? incoming or outgoing? and so on. |
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| 17:56.10 | tharkun | babilen: ar is the tool to unpack the .deb right? |
| 17:56.16 | sapints | hi to all |
| 17:56.31 | tharkun | r3zn0r: Yea Thanks. |
| 17:56.38 | tharkun | sapints: Hi :) |
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| 17:57.01 | cesurasean | jelly-home, i copied a working box, so i know the interfaces files is fine. |
| 17:57.26 | Walex | ejit: you are asking for a simple way to do something potentially very subtle, and without defining well what you want, where the technicalities matter a lot. you sopund lik |
| 17:57.34 | nrcpts | 00:58 have a nice after midnight all :) |
| 17:57.39 | cesurasean | it fails to bring up eth0 |
| 17:57.42 | cesurasean | no such process |
| 17:57.46 | tharkun | cesurasean: Do not asume anything. Check it. |
| 17:57.58 | cesurasean | it's failing to bring up eth0. |
| 17:58.03 | jelly-home | cesurasean: sorry, I can't help you without basic information about the issue |
| 17:58.42 | mranonym1us | How can I see ./configure options? |
| 17:58.49 | ejit | Walex: I just want to say something like "limit bandwidth of process with PID 1234 to 100KB/s" |
| 17:58.57 | tharkun | mranonym1us: depends on the program you are building |
| 17:59.15 | cesurasean | it's saying no such process and not enabling eth0 upon boot. |
| 17:59.19 | formorer | tharkun: you shouldn't use ar but dpkg-deb -R <deb> <outdir> |
| 17:59.37 | mranonym1us | tharkun: dillo |
| 17:59.51 | sapints | question: someone know as start a paersonal service on boot? alredy {/etc/init.d/ ... update-rc.d} |
| 18:00.03 | ejit | formorer: the link is good, but requires too much going into lenghts for such a simple thing |
| 18:00.45 | ejit | Walex: I just need something like "trickle -d 100 wget <URL>" but for an already started process |
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| 18:01.03 | formorer | ejit: as you may noted: the thing isn't simple for an already running process. |
| 18:01.10 | cesurasean | rtnetlink no such process eth0 |
| 18:01.17 | cesurasean | is that enough info, jelly-home? |
| 18:02.04 | ejit | Walex: yes, limit every possible connection for a process. I want to limit either incoming or outgoing or both |
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| 18:04.25 | cesurasean | jelly-home, ? |
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| 18:09.02 | cesurasean | hey guys. i can ping my router just fine, but can't ping 8.8.8.8 or anything else. |
| 18:09.07 | cesurasean | any ideas where to start to fix this? |
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| 18:11.25 | cesurasean | rtnetlink says file exists when i run /etc/init.d/networking |
| 18:11.27 | cesurasean | anyone? |
| 18:11.37 | mranonym1us | Hmm... Yeah. Do you have a modem? |
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| 18:12.36 | cesurasean | no. |
| 18:13.15 | mranonym1us | So, what's in WAN port? |
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| 18:13.24 | sapints_ | no one? |
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| 18:13.38 | cesurasean | this sucks. |
| 18:14.12 | cesurasean | what are the chances its called eth1? |
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| 18:16.27 | rozie | cesurasean: pls show: ip route | grep default |
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| 18:18.28 | cesurasean | rozie, nothing is shown when i do that. |
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| 18:20.26 | rozie | cesurasean: ip r a default via <IP address of your router> |
| 18:20.46 | rozie | then ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 18:23.11 | cesurasean | that worked. |
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| 18:23.12 | cesurasean | thanks. |
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| 18:26.32 | cesurasean | that solution didnt work when i rebooted. |
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| 18:27.01 | Sec | Do a tracert to 8.8.8.8 |
| 18:27.10 | Sec | You'll know where it's dropping off |
| 18:27.21 | nzerob | why 8.8.8.8? |
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| 18:27.32 | Sec | It's easy to remember and public |
| 18:27.43 | Sec | And always up |
| 18:27.48 | some-cowbell | so you're back where you were? can ping router but nothing else? |
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| 18:27.56 | cesurasean | yes |
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| 18:28.06 | cesurasean | can ping router, and the box itself, but nothing else. |
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| 18:28.18 | jlim | how do i find out what sound card drivers are loaded? |
| 18:28.25 | nzerob | Try 193.0.6.139 instead. |
| 18:28.30 | some-cowbell | so the local net route is present but not the default route |
| 18:28.46 | cesurasean | how do i add a default route so that it stays upon reboot? |
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| 18:29.24 | jlim | TJ-, you still here |
| 18:29.27 | some-cowbell | I would think that dhcp would give you everything you need |
| 18:30.07 | some-cowbell | according to your /etc/network/interfaces, are you using dhcp? |
| 18:30.18 | cesurasean | no |
| 18:30.24 | cesurasean | its static. |
| 18:30.40 | some-cowbell | ok, so you add the gateway there |
| 18:30.59 | cesurasean | there is one. |
| 18:31.05 | cesurasean | it's not working like it should. |
| 18:31.26 | cesurasean | i already mentioned i copied a working config. |
| 18:31.29 | cesurasean | from another box. |
| 18:31.33 | some-cowbell | is the address of the gateway correct? |
| 18:31.34 | rozie | cesurasean: is it wifi? |
| 18:31.38 | cesurasean | no wifi |
| 18:31.49 | cesurasean | rozie, the command you gave me fixed it but when i rebooted it didn't. |
| 18:31.56 | rozie | so it should work |
| 18:31.57 | cesurasean | how do i do that same command and make it stick? |
| 18:32.03 | rozie | man interfaces |
| 18:32.30 | rozie | it's gateway option |
| 18:32.47 | some-cowbell | perhaps you should show us your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 18:33.14 | cesurasean | gateway is set to 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:33.15 | cesurasean | as it should be. |
| 18:33.52 | some-cowbell | so when you did ip r a default via 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:33.56 | some-cowbell | it worked? |
| 18:34.11 | cesurasean | http://pastebin.com/d1Bj6DDU |
| 18:34.12 | some-cowbell | (as rozie suggested) |
| 18:34.17 | cesurasean | thats my interfaces file. |
| 18:34.18 | cesurasean | yes |
| 18:34.29 | cesurasean | when i added ip r a default via 192.168.1.1 it worked |
| 18:34.32 | cesurasean | until i rebooted. |
| 18:35.02 | rozie | paste ip a as well |
| 18:35.08 | rozie | maybe it's not eth0 |
| 18:35.17 | cesurasean | it is eth0 |
| 18:35.33 | cesurasean | i can ping google when i added the code you gave me. |
| 18:35.34 | some-cowbell | try getting rid of the blank lines |
| 18:35.50 | cesurasean | some-cowbell, i just posted from a working box. |
| 18:35.55 | cesurasean | blank lines have nothing to do with it! |
| 18:36.40 | rozie | cesurasean: is it the same version of Debian? |
| 18:36.46 | rozie | *exactly* the same? |
| 18:37.27 | some-cowbell | so the address is different in the box without the default route? |
| 18:37.40 | cesurasean | yes |
| 18:38.11 | cesurasean | rozie, how do i get the command you gave me to stick on reboot? |
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| 18:38.53 | rozie | cesurasean: it should work with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:39.17 | cesurasean | when i run route add default gw 192.168.1.1, it fixes it. |
| 18:39.20 | cesurasean | so its a routing issue. |
| 18:39.22 | some-cowbell | and this is as you know since the other box is working |
| 18:39.24 | rozie | there's rc.local of course, but it's not the right way |
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| 18:39.32 | pangoose | hello |
| 18:39.36 | cesurasean | yeah, but it's not. |
| 18:39.39 | cesurasean | so what's my issue? |
| 18:39.42 | pangoose | Does anyone else have problems with cinnamon in sid? |
| 18:40.01 | rozie | cesurasean: is it exactly the same Debian? architecture, version... |
| 18:40.04 | nzerob | pangoose: sure |
| 18:40.18 | loeken | try adding a auto eth0 above the iface eth0 inet static |
| 18:40.18 | pangoose | The thing freezes when you click on the panel. |
| 18:40.49 | rozie | loeken: bingo |
| 18:40.55 | nzerob | pangoose: of course it does |
| 18:41.07 | pangoose | nzerob: elaborate |
| 18:41.15 | Brigo | pangoose, i never use it, but i have heard a lot of issues about cinnamon in sid |
| 18:41.26 | loeken | http://pastebin.com/qPKWkMQW |
| 18:41.29 | rozie | strange, that router could be reached without this |
| 18:41.33 | pangoose | I would be surprised if they did something correctly for once |
| 18:41.35 | nzerob | pangoose: I think you're expecting too much from it. |
| 18:42.00 | some-cowbell | pangoose: there -is- a reason why sid is also called unstable |
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| 18:42.33 | pangoose | some-cowbell: still, in the package signatures, they were built in march |
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| 18:42.42 | cesurasean | ok its fixed. |
| 18:42.52 | cesurasean | i think gateway had to come BEFORE subnet mask. |
| 18:42.52 | pangoose | there's like 4 months difference and it's still broken |
| 18:42.55 | cesurasean | not sure, but its working now. |
| 18:43.01 | cesurasean | thanks guys! |
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| 18:43.48 | pangoose | Ok, let's drop trying to get packages from sid working then |
| 18:43.59 | pangoose | Is there any way for me to install packages from testing in unstable? |
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| 18:44.15 | some-cowbell | what you need to do is file a bug... |
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| 18:45.11 | some-cowbell | pangoose: so if we give you that way, you will end up with a mixture |
| 18:45.29 | pangoose | All I want from testing is gnome 3 packages and cinnamon. |
| 18:46.33 | some-cowbell | "gnome 3 packages" is a big list |
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| 18:47.05 | pangoose | I'm willing to have a mixture as long as I get cinnamon working. |
| 18:47.08 | some-cowbell | howbout you try your hand at fixing the issue? |
| 18:47.12 | Brigo | ,v gnome |
| 18:47.14 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.8+8; sid: 1:3.8+8 |
| 18:47.36 | some-cowbell | hmm... it's the same :) |
| 18:47.39 | pangoose | some-cowbell: do you think I would be here if I weren't to try my hand? |
| 18:48.00 | pangoose | lol try my hand sounds dirty |
| 18:48.19 | some-cowbell | well, not everyone is willing to go in and debug C code |
| 18:48.33 | Brigo | ,v cinnamon |
| 18:48.34 | some-cowbell | are you saying you are? |
| 18:48.34 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 1.7.4-2.2+b2; experimental: 2.2.13-1 |
| 18:48.58 | Brigo | cinnamon is only in sid and experimental. |
| 18:49.06 | some-cowbell | hmmm, there is no cinnamon in testing or wheezy |
| 18:49.23 | pangoose | aw hell naw |
| 18:49.30 | pangoose | time to upgrade to experimental maybe? :P |
| 18:49.40 | some-cowbell | wow :) |
| 18:50.25 | some-cowbell | so from what I get from you, you want to avoid breakages... yes? |
| 18:50.33 | pangoose | no |
| 18:50.39 | pangoose | I am an adventurer :P |
| 18:50.58 | pangoose | I just want Cinnamon to work on Debian before I get pissed off and switch to mint / arch for it |
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| 18:52.25 | some-cowbell | oh, well... head on down the road then! but just remember experimental is - not complete - where people put some of their non-working packages (this includes breakages in installability or removal) |
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| 18:53.10 | pangoose | Yeah, I've figured that out in my mind. Experimental sounds like a step higher in danger |
| 18:53.29 | pangoose | Thank you for your warning though |
| 18:54.11 | some-cowbell | so if you're feeling the wanderlust of adventure, by all means... go for it... at least you've been warned appropriately |
| 18:55.09 | amireldor | Hello maybe I'll get some help here. I've installed wheezy i386 on a VirtualBox, without a grahical interface, and installed the packages 'xorg' and 'awesome'. Now the probem is when I try to install 'iceweasel' because libgtk-2.0-bin is broken for some reason. |
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| 18:55.21 | amireldor | This seems to be the same issue, but I find no answer there: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712025 |
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| 18:56.45 | pangoose | I just realized the levels of risk-taking in life. First approaching women. Then jumping with a parachute. Then going at war. Then trying to save people from a nuclear explosion. But if none of these are risky enough for you, you can try installing debian experimental :D |
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| 18:57.39 | amireldor | also installing libgtk-2.0-bin on it's own fails. |
| 18:57.41 | babilen | amireldor: What is your actual issue? |
| 18:57.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell amireldor -about abt |
| 18:57.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell amireldor -about bat |
| 18:58.14 | some-cowbell | amireldor, that's very strange... wheezy got released as stable recently... could it be you're mixing wheezy and (say) jessie? |
| 18:58.31 | babilen | fsvo "recently" :) |
| 18:58.43 | pangoose | anyway, thanks for the answers anyone! Byebye (: |
| 18:58.58 | amireldor | some-cowbell: maybe I should read babilen's words first |
| 18:59.24 | some-cowbell | maybe you should :) |
| 18:59.30 | babilen | amireldor: Just paste the requested information + all your commands + output into a single paste on http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:59.42 | babilen | That should give us something to work with |
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| 19:01.25 | amireldor | babilen: problem is that's a virtual machine and I don't have a copy-pasting abilities as of now. But I'll overcome this somehow |
| 19:01.34 | babilen | amireldor: Do you have network? |
| 19:02.01 | amireldor | Yes, on I'm on the host of the virtual machine (that has wheezy). I can upload a small screenshot or smt |
| 19:02.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell amireldor -about pastebinit |
| 19:03.09 | babilen | amireldor: And just as a sidenote: virtualbox is rather slow and there are, IMHO, better virtualization options available. You might want to look into KVM with libvirt / virt-manager or even LXC/docker (depends on your needs) |
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| 19:04.00 | amireldor | babilen: I don't want to say the name of the host OS. |
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| 19:04.12 | amireldor | So I can't use KVM in this instance |
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| 19:04.21 | babilen | amireldor: Ah, in that case vbox is a reasonably choice. :) |
| 19:04.36 | nea1 | hi, how is the package called witch prevents you from shuting down your system? |
| 19:04.46 | nea1 | i think it overwrites the halt command etc |
| 19:04.48 | babilen | amireldor: It is just that a lot of people blindly use vbox on Linux without actually thinking about their usecase and how well other options fit it. |
| 19:05.08 | babilen | nea1: molly-guard |
| 19:05.11 | amireldor | babilen: I'll make a brain note on that next time my host is a linux :) |
| 19:06.04 | babilen | nea1: Well, it doesn't actually prevent you (I mean you can still shut it down), but guards you against doing so unintentionally. |
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| 19:08.30 | babilen | amireldor: script(1) might come in handy during the construction of the paste. Alternatively just redirect output into a file and paste that. |
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| 19:08.50 | LiENUS | so im about to upgrade my home media server's hardware by just replacing the machine |
| 19:09.08 | LiENUS | does debian generally handle a complete hardware change fine? ie can i just toss the drives from the old machine into the new one? or will debian freak out? |
| 19:09.43 | babilen | LiENUS: Okay, make sure that you don't have "MODULES=dep" in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf (but "most"), use UUIDs in your /etc/fstab and be aware of: |
| 19:09.50 | babilen | dpkg: 70 |
| 19:09.50 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: «udevadm trigger» or reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>. |
| 19:10.37 | LiENUS | babilen, i have modules=most that looks as safe as dep... |
| 19:10.49 | babilen | LiENUS: Apart from that it should work perfectly fine. Drastic changes in hardware might invalidate some of your configuration (e.g. your Xorg might not come up if it is configured for fglrx and you now use a nvidia card, ...) |
| 19:10.58 | LiENUS | should i still change it? and dont i need to rebuild my initramfs if i do? |
| 19:11.07 | LiENUS | and its a headless machine so xorg isnt an issue |
| 19:11.10 | babilen | LiENUS: You have =most ? |
| 19:11.43 | LiENUS | yeah |
| 19:12.06 | babilen | If so: That is exactly what you want. Note the "don't" in my original statement :) |
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| 19:12.34 | LiENUS | oh blah missed dont |
| 19:12.47 | babilen | LiENUS: I wouldn't expect any problems, but I'd still keep a live CD/USB around in case something needs adjusting. |
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| 19:13.33 | LiENUS | its a mostly stock i just installed nfs and smb |
| 19:13.35 | babilen | Boot with the new hardware, rename your interfaces and you should be sorted |
| 19:13.52 | LiENUS | aand couchpotato/sickbeard/sabnzbd which is where i hate reconfiguring |
| 19:14.06 | LiENUS | those are run as normal users though and not even root so presumably they'd port to new hardware with no issue |
| 19:14.25 | LiENUS | and my only non uid mounts are binding mounts |
| 19:14.29 | LiENUS | uuid* |
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| 19:16.37 | LiENUS | thank babilen looks like everythign is suitable to be switched over with minimal trouble |
| 19:16.41 | amireldor | babilen: ok here's something: http://paste.debian.net/108305/ |
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| 19:17.49 | nea1 | thanks babilen |
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| 19:17.56 | babilen | amireldor: "No space left on device" |
| 19:18.17 | babilen | :) |
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| 19:19.31 | amireldor | babilen: could it be that /tmp is too small? coz `du -hs /usr` shows 650MB, or I'm reading that wrong as well? |
| 19:20.00 | amireldor | oh no |
| 19:20.07 | babilen | hmm? |
| 19:20.11 | amireldor | i see the no space left under /usr/share/something |
| 19:20.29 | prot | hi folks, currently im using slackware linux and I heard a lot of good thinkgs about debian linux, maybe there are few ppl who could briefly tell me the benefits and pros to use debian linux |
| 19:20.41 | amireldor | oh well. thanks babilen :) I'll install a new machine |
| 19:20.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell prot -about why debian |
| 19:21.05 | cypherman | hi people |
| 19:21.24 | abrotman | where?! |
| 19:21.33 | cypherman | i'm having some trouble with kernel 3.14 from wheezy backports installed in a Sony Vaio Pocket |
| 19:21.43 | cypherman | i have a intermitent sound output |
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| 19:21.55 | tharkun | I just did a bare bones install of a wheezy yet it has exim installed. What is it configured to do? |
| 19:21.56 | babilen | prot: My personal take on this is: I agree with a lot of technical choices in Debian, generally like the "feel" and approach to creating a distribution and enjoy the fact that with stable, testing and unstable various choices are available that satisfy my needs as a system administrator and developer |
| 19:22.00 | cypherman | in amarok or even in text based audio player CMus |
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| 19:22.35 | abrotman | tharkun: listen on localhost, that's about it |
| 19:22.36 | cypherman | any ideas? any logs i can check out? The sound is fine in stock kernel 3.2 but the video driver is better in kernel 3.14... |
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| 19:23.07 | babilen | prot: The community is also quite nice and welcoming/knowledgable. I can recommend to give it a try and see it for yourself (but then some of the benefits (e.g. release upgrades) will take years to appreciate) |
| 19:23.08 | tharkun | abrotman: Does it deliver to a particular user? |
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| 19:23.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell tharkun about why a mta |
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| 19:23.49 | babilen | tharkun: Read <nullmailer> |
| 19:24.04 | tharkun | babilen: Thanks, msmtp is a nice option :) |
| 19:24.07 | abrotman | tharkun: it delivers to whichver user the message is addressed to .. seems to make sense |
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| 19:25.48 | tharkun | abrotman: IIRC aptitude/apt-get sometimes sends mail for system information, /etc/aliases holds the info I was looking for. Thanks |
| 19:25.57 | prot | babilen: thanks for the helpful answers, I thinks i want to try it out this night and explore the packagemanager. have a good night |
| 19:28.34 | cypherman | anyone? |
| 19:28.58 | cypherman | i;m asterismo logged in another machine in fact... |
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| 19:30.09 | tharkun | How many tty does debian require? I see it holds 6 out of the box. Will it work with fine with one and have tmux as a backup if more are needed. |
| 19:30.35 | tharkun | The use case is a server which can't be added any more ram and the resources at this point in time are very limited. |
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| 19:32.35 | esakish | Debian doesn't really *require* any ttys, iirc |
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| 19:32.42 | dutchfish | tharkun, i dont know about the curent release, but i have done lenny with 2 one on 1 one on 4 |
| 19:32.47 | cypherman | i installed a kernel 3.14 in a sony vaio pocket and the audio driver improved very much, but the sound playback is intermitent... any ideas? |
| 19:32.55 | Walex | tharkun: tmux most likely consumes more resources than console ttys |
| 19:33.40 | tharkun | Walex: Defenetly, but since it would only be used on a need to use basis there is long term savings of resources. |
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| 19:34.04 | Walex | tharkun: that's a really wistful argument... |
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| 19:34.35 | tharkun | Walex: This is to be a set up and forget/remotely accessed server. |
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| 19:35.01 | tharkun | Headless BTW |
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| 19:37.28 | gez | Hi |
| 19:37.43 | gez | I just noticed a couple of apache2 processes running in my jessie install |
| 19:37.46 | gez | (with gnome) |
| 19:38.11 | gez | I don't remember having installed apache, so I tried to uninstall it, but it looks like it's one of the dependencies of Gnome. |
| 19:38.14 | gez | Is this correct? |
| 19:38.55 | ekemsend | :o |
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| 19:39.28 | ekemsend | you can try running $ netstat |
| 19:39.32 | ekemsend | to see whats going on |
| 19:39.45 | babilen | gez: Could you paste your command and the entire output to http://paste.debian.net ? (the removal one, don't remove anything yet) |
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| 19:41.55 | gez | babilen: apache2-bin wants to uninstall gnome, gnome-core, gnome-user-share, libapache2-mod-dnssd, task-gnome-desktop |
| 19:42.50 | gez | ekemsend: what do I have to check in my netstat output? |
| 19:43.00 | gez | tcp connections? |
| 19:43.08 | babilen | gez: Yes, please show me. |
| 19:43.20 | babilen | judd: why apache2-bin gnome |
| 19:43.21 | judd | No package named 'apache2-bin' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 19:43.35 | gez | babilen: it's jessie |
| 19:43.55 | babilen | judd: why apache2-bin gnome --release testing |
| 19:44.17 | babilen | gez: testing/unstable are support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (cf. /topic) btw :) |
| 19:44.22 | judd | No dependency chain found between packages apache2-bin and gnome in jessie/i386. |
| 19:45.06 | babilen | gez: Do you not have access to the network or are there other reasons to not use a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 19:45.07 | gez | ekemsend: http://www.ohweb.com.ar/paste/?paste=7 |
| 19:45.29 | babilen | So, you can paste, but you don't like my questions. |
| 19:45.37 | babilen | Well, fair enough .. All the best! |
| 19:45.41 | gez | babilen: |
| 19:45.42 | gez | wait |
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| 19:45.55 | gez | I was pasting the output |
| 19:46.01 | gez | What question do you mean? |
| 19:46.08 | ekemsend | no output from the command like babilen said |
| 19:46.17 | ekemsend | thats more informative than netcat right now |
| 19:46.31 | ekemsend | netcats just going to let you track down the connection |
| 19:46.31 | babilen | "gez: Could you paste your command and the entire output to http://paste.debian.net ? (the removal one, don't remove anything yet)" |
| 19:47.01 | ekemsend | but yeah you might try #debian-next |
| 19:47.13 | gez | Ahh, babilen. Sorry. I didn't paste the entire output of the removal op because it was in spanish |
| 19:47.16 | ekemsend | this is mainly #wheezy i think |
| 19:47.39 | gez | And thanks for the tip about #debian-next. I din't know it. |
| 19:47.43 | ekemsend | it might be something to do with openoffice man |
| 19:47.44 | gez | I'll move there |
| 19:47.48 | ekemsend | ok good luck dood |
| 19:47.48 | babilen | But I'm heading off now, just thought that I could give advice while still seeing your question. My (generic) recommandation based on what I think happens: Install a smaller gnome metapackage (cf. <install gnome>) and track down which package actually needs apache2. "aptitude why apache2-bin" might be of interest there. |
| 19:48.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell gez -about localised errors |
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| 19:48.13 | ekemsend | yeah i would get rid of as much gnome as possible without borking |
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| 19:50.02 | gez | Thanks babilen and ekemsend. I'll follow your advise. But I'll move first to #debian-next. |
| 19:50.06 | gez | See you |
| 19:50.22 | gez | oops. |
| 19:50.29 | gez | #debian-next requires an invitation |
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| 19:53.26 | jmcnaught | gez: #debian-next is on irc.debian.org (not freenode) |
| 19:53.44 | gez | jmcnaught: ahh, thanks! |
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| 20:09.34 | Sec | !debian-next |
| 20:09.34 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 20:13.02 | A|an | To install jdk-8u5-linux-i586.tar.gz, where should it be unpacked? In /opt? |
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| 20:15.18 | subz3r0 | hi |
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| 20:15.53 | subz3r0 | can i use my backups of firefox/thunderbird for iceweasel/icedove? |
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| 20:18.07 | mtn | subz3r0: yes |
| 20:18.10 | shadok | subz3r0: sure, it's the same codebase except a few patch and the branding |
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| 20:19.52 | designs | whats the best way to update gnome 3 in debina wheezy? |
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| 20:22.18 | somiaj | designs: there is no realy best way, in debian wheezy you should stick with the version provided in wheezy. |
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| 20:22.27 | silicone | Hello. How would one install libjson-c-dev or libjson-dev in Wheezy? I tried apt-get install... but was told that that the package could not be found... |
| 20:22.31 | somiaj | If you need a newer version you'll have to backport/compile it yourself which will be a alrge procject designs |
| 20:22.46 | somiaj | silicone: try apt-cache search, maybe the package name has a number assoicated with it |
| 20:23.05 | somiaj | I see a libjson0-dev in sid, I'd assume it would have a similar name in wheezy |
| 20:23.41 | silicone | somiaj: Okay. |
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| 20:24.19 | some-cowbell | , v libjson0-dev |
| 20:24.21 | judd | Package: libjson0-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9-1; wheezy: 0.10-1.2; wheezy-backports: 0.11-3~bpo7+1; jessie: 0.11-4; sid: 0.11-4 |
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| 20:25.59 | aguitel | when jessie become stable ? |
| 20:26.16 | some-cowbell | probably when it's ready |
| 20:26.23 | somiaj | aguitel: it is scheduled to freeze this fall (november I belive) and I would expect about a year from that date. |
| 20:26.29 | somiaj | give or take 3 months. |
| 20:26.49 | aguitel | somiaj, thanks |
| 20:29.05 | abrotman | aguitel: I told you yesterday .. |
| 20:29.19 | silicone | judd: So, for powerpc would this work too? I would enter apt-get install libjson0.10-1.2-dev? |
| 20:29.25 | abrotman | silicone: judd is a bot .. |
| 20:29.37 | silicone | abrotman: Ha! |
| 20:29.41 | abrotman | judd: version libjson0-dev --arch ppc |
| 20:29.42 | judd | Package: libjson0-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9-1; wheezy: 0.10-1.2; wheezy-backports: 0.11-3~bpo7+1; jessie: 0.11-4; sid: 0.11-4 |
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| 20:30.22 | silicone | abrotman: I did the same thing with dpkg - I thought it was a person... |
| 20:30.23 | Extensa5630G | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.27 | Extensa5630G | bah |
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| 20:32.51 | silicone | abrotman: Sorry, I'm a newbie - "apt-get install libjson0-dev --arch ppc" didn't work |
| 20:33.10 | doebi | somehow my usb-sticks get mounted with root-only permission. how come? |
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| 20:35.37 | abrotman | silicone: you don';t need the --arch bit .. that wsa just for the bot |
| 20:35.46 | jrabbit | is there anyway to fix the libgdbm3 in testing? |
| 20:36.03 | silicone | abrotman: Okay. Thanks. |
| 20:36.08 | jrabbit | I can't upgrade the rest of my packages |
| 20:36.13 | somiaj | jrabbit: have you checked the bts |
| 20:36.22 | jrabbit | yeah |
| 20:36.29 | jrabbit | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=752465 |
| 20:36.40 | jrabbit | it's been like a week |
| 20:36.42 | somiaj | jrabbit: sometimes (since jessie is not frozen) pulling in a few packages form sid can fix it, not sure if the bts mentiones that as a possibility for that bug or not |
| 20:36.57 | somiaj | it sometimes takes 10 days or even more for packaegs to migrate from sid into testingg |
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| 20:37.29 | jrabbit | somiaj: theres no fix discussed or made yet though |
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| 20:37.45 | jrabbit | I'm mostly wondering how to skip that package |
| 20:37.48 | somiaj | then you may just have to wait |
| 20:37.54 | somiaj | oh you want to put it on hold? |
| 20:37.58 | somiaj | !tell jrabbit about hold |
| 20:38.03 | jrabbit | thanks |
| 20:38.16 | jrabbit | yeah I have liek a gig of updates to install :P |
| 20:38.38 | jelly-home | you could just force overwrite |
| 20:38.49 | silicone | abrotman: Thanks it worked! |
| 20:38.55 | jrabbit | how do i do that jelly-home ? |
| 20:38.58 | abrotman | you thought i was a liar?! |
| 20:39.12 | jelly-home | !force-overwrite |
| 20:39.12 | jrabbit | because it's just the changelog it's nothing critical |
| 20:39.12 | dpkg | The reason you have been told to use --force-overwrite is because some packages in unstable are buggy and either have missing Conflicts: or contain files that they shouldn't. Check the BTS and make sure that a bug has been filed about the package in question (ask me about <bts>) then run dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/.deb or apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <foopackagename>; |
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| 20:40.33 | jrabbit | yay |
| 20:43.02 | jrabbit | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 20:48.34 | mr_foobar_baz | my pulseaudio keeps breaking, especially after suspend/resume or maybe even locking and unlocking the screen with i3lock |
| 20:48.55 | mr_foobar_baz | should I just remove it and use alsa as-is? |
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| 20:52.36 | aguitel | abrotman, i change 2 pc to wheezy |
| 20:55.32 | meek_geek | !seen |
| 20:55.56 | abrotman | Do you need help? |
| 20:56.00 | meek_geek | !seen mr_foobar_baz |
| 20:56.00 | dpkg | mr_foobar_baz <~user@gateway/tor-sasl/mrfoobar/x-67184220> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7m 5s ago, saying: 'should I just remove it and use alsa as-is?'. |
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| 21:01.20 | aguitel | no ,thanks i installed nvidia-173xx fine in stable release |
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| 21:01.39 | aguitel | i always follow the wiki |
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| 21:04.30 | jlim | TJ-: i figured it out |
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| 21:25.58 | meek_geek | !seen mr_foobar_baz |
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| 21:26.08 | abrotman | meek_geek: please stop doing that, it's annoying |
| 21:27.25 | meek_geek | heh |
| 21:27.26 | meek_geek | Ok |
| 21:27.32 | meek_geek | abrotman, sup man ? |
| 21:28.17 | abrotman | ... |
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| 21:33.21 | A|an | What's the recommended way to install Java 8 on Debian? (I followed the first approach here -- https://community.oracle.com/thread/3546613 -- unpacking the tarzip in /usr/lib/jvm, reset the symlink default-java -> jdk1.8.0_05, and the old version (java-1.6.0-openjdk-i386) is still detected. |
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| 21:36.14 | Eremiell | A|an: I don't believe, there's recommended way, especially at stable, but there's a testing repo from java packaging team. can drop you address, if you're insterested. |
| 21:36.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell aguitel about java package |
| 21:37.19 | A|an | Eremiell: Yes, do so. |
| 21:38.21 | Eremiell | A|an: deb http://87.98.165.193/debian/repo unstable main |
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| 21:38.34 | A|an | thanks |
| 21:38.40 | Eremiell | A|an: there's some basic readme, if you put the repo address into browser. |
| 21:39.13 | A|an | so, the tar-zipped version from oracle is not commonly installed?? |
| 21:39.30 | Eremiell | A|an: report any problems or even if it's running alright to #debian-java ;) |
| 21:39.41 | A|an | okay |
| 21:39.42 | A|an | thanks |
| 21:39.58 | Eremiell | A|an: no idea, but it's definitely not a recommended way. |
| 21:40.31 | A|an | ic |
| 21:42.02 | abrotman | A|an: really, just use java-package, it's the recommended way |
| 21:42.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell A|an about java-package |
| 21:43.09 | abrotman | which I already did .. but Eremiell derailed him .. |
| 21:43.10 | A|an | well, what started this is...I dl'l the latest version of Eclipse and, when I tried to install it, it whined about needing a version of Java >1.7 |
| 21:43.21 | A|an | or 1.6..whatever |
| 21:43.33 | abrotman | so try java-package ... |
| 21:43.37 | A|an | okay |
| 21:44.11 | Eremiell | can't see how that gets him java8... |
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| 21:44.21 | abrotman | Eremiell: that's okay for you .. maybe he'll read the docs |
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| 21:45.21 | Eremiell | abrotman: the docs say, java 6 & 7 is supported. |
| 21:45.27 | abrotman | okay |
| 21:45.28 | babilen | It should be noted that java-package is also in wheezy-backports |
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| 21:45.56 | babilen | (which supports 8) |
| 21:46.41 | abrotman | wonders which docs Eremiell is reading .. |
| 21:47.03 | babilen | The factoid maybe |
| 21:47.07 | Eremiell | abrotman: the same one ou sent to A|an |
| 21:47.14 | Eremiell | yup, just factois |
| 21:47.27 | abrotman | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/java-package |
| 21:47.36 | babilen | I'll update that later … |
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| 21:48.08 | abrotman | we probably need a java8 factoid |
| 21:48.25 | Eremiell | babilen: I've seen more than one factoid worthy an update, not that I have a list or something. |
| 21:48.53 | babilen | ack |
| 21:49.04 | abrotman | thought everyone was using Flash now? :) |
| 21:49.18 | A|an | abrotman: *that's* what I need (if it works) |
| 21:49.38 | abrotman | A|an: Right, and it should work. I've used it in the past, and it did work |
| 21:49.51 | A|an | great, thanks |
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| 21:51.56 | Eremiell | babilen: is there some list of factoids or something? would volunteer to reserve some of my time, go through them and try to flag those I believe are not reflecting current state of things. not that I understand everything, that's for sure. |
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| 21:52.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell Eremiell -about dpkgbot |
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| 21:54.27 | Eremiell | babilen: thanks! |
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| 21:54.58 | abrotman | Eremiell: You can learn how to do it yourself, or just gather ones you know are out of date and ask others to update them for you . |
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| 21:56.57 | Eremiell | abrotman: if there's a way, I'll try to go and update them. If I won't be successful with that, I can at least produce some patch file or something. |
| 21:57.12 | babilen | Eremiell: There are docs about infobots out there. |
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| 21:58.57 | abrotman | Eremiell: it's not a "patch", it's a database backend |
| 21:59.39 | Eremiell | abrotman: would expect the factids to be embedded into the bot code, but database is even better. |
| 22:00.01 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Eremiell about your factoids |
| 22:00.02 | phogg | Eremiell: embedded in code would be a nightmare of idiocy |
| 22:00.27 | abrotman | "I need to update a factoid, let me patch and re-release" :) |
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| 22:01.20 | phogg | abrotman: worse, it would require dpkg to rewrite itself everytime someone tells it something |
| 22:01.49 | phogg | I'll generate the factoid as a bit of code which can be eval'd later! That'll be great! |
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| 22:11.11 | Eremiell | phogg: seen so many of such bots, I would just expect that. not that I believe, it's best idea... |
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| 22:17.40 | ogrgkyle | Hello. Can anyone recommend a small-sized modern Debian distro? |
| 22:17.56 | Walex | ogrgkyle: Debian 7/Wheezy? :-) |
| 22:18.03 | jmcnaught | definitely Debian |
| 22:18.14 | abrotman | otherwise, ask ##linux |
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| 22:18.46 | Walex | some people like Debian/kFreeBSD |
| 22:20.49 | ogrgkyle | I really don't know much about Debian |
| 22:20.57 | ogrgkyle | or FreeBSD |
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| 22:21.10 | ogrgkyle | But the main thing would be small file size |
| 22:21.18 | abrotman | so use Debian |
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| 22:22.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell ogrgkyle -about install debian |
| 22:22.12 | subz3r0 | you cannot compare freebsd to debian |
| 22:22.16 | subz3r0 | even not openbsd and debian |
| 22:22.28 | subz3r0 | read the wiki articles |
| 22:22.38 | abrotman | spoken like someone that doesn't know what they're talking about |
| 22:23.13 | babilen | ogrgkyle: You probably don't want to install the "desktop" task if you want a minimal installation. Consider installing a "smaller" de like xfce (cf. <install xfce>) if you still want a de or just <install x> and a <window manager> |
| 22:23.20 | subz3r0 | abrotman: mhh? |
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| 22:25.31 | |oop | Anyone know where i can a copy of b43legacy outside of bwf-ciutter? |
| 22:25.55 | abrotman | see where it gets it? it's a shell script IIRC |
| 22:26.13 | subz3r0 | ... |
| 22:26.23 | abrotman | ... |
| 22:26.38 | A|an | While the Java 8 thing is still semi-fresh...when I was looking around for a method, I noticed, I think at Oracle, that a version is available for Ubuntu, but of course it wouldn't work for Debian. And I've noticed that in other venues: Ubuntu is accommdated. What's the deal?? It's like Debian is the red-headed stepchild. |
| 22:27.12 | abrotman | A|an: Perhaps Debian users are (mostly) more educated and don't need all of hte hand-holding? |
| 22:27.23 | A|an | lol |
| 22:27.42 | A|an | <- wipes drool |
| 22:27.56 | |oop | A multimillioaire pays people out of his own pocket to work on ubuntu. Sorry what exactly was the question again |
| 22:28.08 | A|an | yeah, true that |
| 22:28.19 | |oop | Or were you a red-headed stepchild |
| 22:28.40 | A|an | no (it's an expression) |
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| 22:29.06 | |oop | Anyway whhere can i get a coppyy of b43legacy |
| 22:29.54 | subz3r0 | http://pkgs.org/download/firmware-b43legacy-installer |
| 22:31.09 | unreal-dude | i'm wanting to create a script that creates a new user with a default password, and require them to change it on first login. is it better to find some way to hack adduser into this? or would it be better to learn to use useradd and do everything manually? |
| 22:31.11 | |oop | Ty |
| 22:31.40 | jmcnaught | |oop: that package is in the wheezy repos instead of downloading it from some random website |
| 22:32.13 | jmcnaught | ,v firmware-b43legacy-installer |
| 22:32.20 | judd | Package: firmware-b43legacy-installer on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 4.178.10.4-4; wheezy/contrib: 1:015-14.1; jessie/contrib: 1:018-2; sid/contrib: 1:018-2 |
| 22:33.42 | subz3r0 | unreal-dude: use adduser or useradd |
| 22:33.48 | A|an | abrotman: actually, that's why I use debian...if I'm going to have to fight with an OS, i want to be with something substantial and worth while |
| 22:33.53 | subz3r0 | for bash scripting: #bash |
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| 22:34.08 | unreal-dude | subz3r0, im asking which would be better to automate with |
| 22:34.21 | subz3r0 | write a shell script |
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| 22:35.14 | Guest41706 | hi |
| 22:35.19 | unreal-dude | yes, doing that, which would be easier to utilize, useradd i know has many things i need to check, but adduser doesn't accept many argumentns so i have to pipe things. not sure which route is more reliable |
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| 22:36.12 | subz3r0 | unreal-dude: read the manpages of both and choose the one you prefer |
| 22:36.42 | jmcnaught | unreal-dude: you might be interested in chage(1) |
| 22:37.30 | Dieguito | hi, humans |
| 22:37.49 | Dieguito | I'm having a problem with startx, can't start with my video card. |
| 22:37.57 | Dieguito | This is my Xorg.0.log |
| 22:37.58 | Dieguito | http://pastebin.com/0HRzHUp2 |
| 22:38.03 | Dieguito | Any ideas? Thanks. |
| 22:38.31 | jmcnaught | Dieguito: can you put it on paste.debian.net instead? pastebin wants me to enable JS and enter a captcha |
| 22:38.41 | Dieguito | Ok |
| 22:38.50 | Guest41706 | I have a stupid problem... I have a problem installing bind9 because I have manually removed a old unused library required by bind, so when time later I'm installing bind9 again it fails because the library is missing... I'm fighting with dpkg but I can't reinstall nor remove it! Some tip? |
| 22:39.37 | jmcnaught | Guest41706: 1. never remove files owned by packages. 2. can you reinstall the package that owns this library? |
| 22:39.52 | Guest41706 | No, I can't reinstall |
| 22:40.11 | Dieguito | http://paste.debian.net/108332/ done. |
| 22:40.27 | Guest41706 | It don't installs because library is missing but it appears like installed in dpkg |
| 22:40.59 | abrotman | Dieguito: is your system fully up to date? |
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| 22:41.09 | Dieguito | it seems so |
| 22:41.20 | abrotman | Guest41706: paste all the outputin paste.debian.net |
| 22:41.47 | Guest41706 | I removed that library because after uninstall with --purge and autoremove in the system was files of bind9... |
| 22:42.18 | Guest41706 | abrotman: ok |
| 22:42.20 | WizardGed | Freudian slip abrotman: outPUTIN |
| 22:42.46 | abrotman | WizardGed: thank you .. that was awesome |
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| 22:43.21 | WizardGed | glad i could be of assistance |
| 22:43.44 | Dieguito | abrotman: yes, its up to date |
| 22:44.44 | abrotman | Dieguito: how did you install Xorg? |
| 22:44.59 | Dieguito | on console |
| 22:45.09 | Guest41706 | Here is the output of apt install and dpkg -C http://paste.debian.net/108333/ |
| 22:45.34 | Guest41706 | The file was manually removed and now is missing |
| 22:45.42 | Guest41706 | *files |
| 22:46.16 | abrotman | judd: file libbind9.so.80 --release wheezy |
| 22:46.21 | judd | Search for libbind9.so.80 in wheezy/i386: libbind9-80: usr/lib/libbind9.so.80 |
| 22:46.32 | abrotman | Guest41706: so instal libbind9-80 |
| 22:47.10 | Guest41706 | abrotman: I get same error as installing bind9 |
| 22:47.16 | abrotman | Guest41706: paste please ... |
| 22:47.59 | Guest41706 | http://paste.debian.net/108334/ |
| 22:48.43 | abrotman | Guest41706: apt-get --reinstall install libbind9-80 |
| 22:49.01 | Guest41706 | omg, thank you |
| 22:49.09 | Guest41706 | stupid noob fail :) |
| 22:49.26 | abrotman | error was right at the top |
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| 22:49.45 | abrotman | Guest41706: all fixed up? |
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| 22:50.17 | Guest41706 | so, please, can someone tells me how to maintain clean the system when trying software? with --purge and autoremove they are files outside home directory that aren't removed |
| 22:50.29 | Guest41706 | abrotman: yes, thank you very much |
| 22:50.29 | abrotman | what? |
| 22:50.41 | abrotman | Guest41706: purge should be fine .. it won't remove files that don't belong to it |
| 22:50.52 | abrotman | or shouldn't anyway |
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| 22:51.50 | Guest41706 | When I uninstall software usually don't make a cleanest one |
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| 22:51.59 | abrotman | be less vague |
| 22:52.13 | abrotman | "a cleanest one" ? |
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| 22:52.20 | Guest41706 | a clean uninstall |
| 22:52.27 | abrotman | you're still being vague |
| 22:52.30 | abrotman | what's left over? |
| 22:52.36 | Guest41706 | files and directories |
| 22:52.43 | Guest41706 | outside my home dir |
| 22:52.45 | abrotman | I'm not going to keep asking .. |
| 22:53.16 | Guest41706 | sorry I'm not english |
| 22:53.22 | abrotman | What's left over? |
| 22:53.38 | Dieguito | abrotman: instaled on console with apt-get install xorg |
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| 22:55.27 | Guest41706 | when I uninstalled bind9 for example, I did locate "bind9" and found files related bind9 in /usr/share and /var/lib/dpkg for example |
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| 22:56.32 | abrotman | Guest41706: aptitude show bind9 .. you'll notice it likely depends on a bind9-common that probably has those files |
| 22:57.04 | abrotman | (or you didn't run updatedb after uninstalling) |
| 22:58.09 | Guest41706 | uhm, are you saying that almost 99% of packages have a correct uninstall procedure? |
| 22:58.37 | Guest41706 | I have doubts, it is my question |
| 22:59.03 | abrotman | no .. i'm saying you're misunderstanding what's going on |
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| 23:00.27 | Guest41706 | abrotman: ok, I know maybe I don't track packages correctly and am confused |
| 23:00.40 | Guest41706 | I'm still reading about it, thank you for your help |
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| 23:02.53 | abrotman | Guest41706: you've just shown us that you do not understand dependencies. You believed tha tthe bind9 package had left that library behind, but it belonged to another package |
| 23:02.56 | silicone | Hello - I was using a programme for a while, then I quit it for about an hour. It then took about 20 seconds to reopen. However, upon logging out and then back in, it only took about 3 seconds to open. Why would this be? Can I produce the same time reduction with a command without logging out? Thanks. |
| 23:04.29 | Guest41706 | I think that too, sorry |
| 23:05.37 | jmcnaught | silicone: the times that it's quick to load the program its files are probably in the cache. When it took longer, the files probably had to be read from disk. Also maybe something else was happening at the same time. |
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| 23:07.22 | silicone | jmcnaught: Okay - so when I log in, the programme's files might already be in the cache - whereas after using the programme for a while they might not be? |
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| 23:08.07 | jmcnaught | silicone: possibly. did you logout then log back in? The kernel does its best to cache recently used files in memory. |
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| 23:09.20 | silicone | jmcnaught: Yes - I was using the programme for a few hours, then quit it for an hour or so. Then to open it took 20 seconds. Upon logging out and right back it took but three seconds.... |
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| 23:09.53 | silicone | jmcnaught: Does the kernel cache only come into effect after one logs back in? |
| 23:09.58 | abrotman | silicone: it's possible osmething else necessitated it being removed from cache |
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| 23:11.06 | jmcnaught | silicone: logins don't really effect the cache. it all depends on what the computer has been doing recently.. probably some cron task ran in the background, or you used another application that needed the memory |
| 23:12.05 | silicone | abrotman: Okay. The programme I was using was dwb. So it took 20 seconds to open, but I could open xxxterm in maybe five or seven even though I had not been using xxxterm for a while.... |
| 23:12.58 | jmcnaught | silicone: makes sense that the web browser would have more stuff to do at start up than a terminal emulator right? |
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| 23:14.04 | silicone | jmcnaught: Although the name suggests otherwise, xxxterm is actually a browser that uses webkit, like dwb does.... |
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| 23:14.57 | edman007 | silicone, what happens is when they is free RAM the file system driver/subsystem guesses at what files are likely to be used again and saves them in RAM, they are not removed until there is no free ram and either the kernel thinks that file is the least likely to be used again and it's reading a different file, or some application wants RAM (in which case the kernel removes it from the cache to let the application use the RAM) |
| 23:15.29 | edman007 | so really it depends on how much memory you have, how much is used by applications, and how much disk activity is happening |
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| 23:16.04 | edman007 | but reading files is not the only thing that takes time when starting an app |
| 23:16.05 | jmcnaught | silicone: my mistake. still, different programs taking different amounts of time to start up isn't that surprising. Maybe one uses more plugins, or restores more tabs from history etc? Also whether files are cached or not makes a difference |
| 23:18.53 | silicone | edman007, jmcnaught: Hmm. So there are different factors that can slow a programme down or speed it up. Well, thanks for your insights. |
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| 23:20.48 | d3lxa | I would like to deny some programs the read/exec permission on certain folders, they run with my user; it seems neither AppArmor nor tomoyo can block directory access, how can it be achieved anyway? |
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| 23:24.36 | doebi | my speakers make screeching noises when playing audio. i suspect this to be a driver and or misconfiguration problem. or is it that my speakers wear off? |
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| 23:25.41 | abrotman | try it with headphones, see what happens |
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| 23:30.57 | doebi | abrotman: well thats not what i am aiming at |
| 23:34.53 | abrotman | doebi: that will tell you if it's your speakers or the soundcard? |
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| 23:35.53 | pwhs | Hello |
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| 23:36.38 | pwhs | I need to some with a script. I need to read all the files in a directory that end.access.log and give the result of cat $1 | awk '{SUM+=$10}END{print SUM/1024/1024}' |
| 23:37.14 | pwhs | For each file. |
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| 23:40.27 | Brigo | pwhs, you can read the files with ls or find |
| 23:40.47 | Brigo | and cat $1 is the contents of each file? |
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