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| 00:15.12 | Eremiell | Connie: among the popular ones are GNOME3, KDE, Xfce, LXDE, MATE, Cinnamon, Enlightment, i3 and possibly some others. Go and explore. No one can tell you, what best suits your needs. ;) |
| 00:15.40 | Connie | ok, thanks Eremiell, i'll do that :) |
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| 00:16.48 | Eremiell | Connie: start with looking on screenshots. it can rule some of them out and don;t mes with your install. ;) |
| 00:16.59 | Eremiell | *don't mess |
| 00:17.23 | Connie | i've been using mint, might as well start with cinnamon :P |
| 00:17.27 | Connie | i didn't like unity at all |
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| 00:20.10 | Eremiell | Connie: I've heard, Cinnamon is currently a bit oldish in repos. But MATE gives similar experience. |
| 00:20.55 | Connie | well, i'm using a VM to try debian for now, so i can just try everything :P |
| 00:21.24 | Connie | so far is doing well, i managed to change my keyboard layout, i'm so proud of myself :D |
| 00:22.52 | shay_shay | Connie: disclaimer: personal preference: I recommend mate 1.8 on wheezy-backport |
| 00:23.05 | Eremiell | Connie: be aware, that install media only serves GNOME, KDE, LXDE and Xfce. You've got to install anything else manually/ |
| 00:23.05 | Connie | there's no problem with having more than one desktop environment installed, is it? |
| 00:23.12 | jmcnaught | asterismo: Iceweasel might be trying to use whatever default is configured for your DE. Maybe look for the "default applications" or "mime types" settings dialog in whatever you're using. If that doesn't work, you could try looking in the file ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list |
| 00:23.52 | some-cowbell | Connie, shouldn't be. then you should be able to pick |
| 00:24.07 | Connie | thanks |
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| 00:26.27 | jmcnaught | Connie: as far as extra repositories in sources.list go, i would stick to backports and the mozilla.debian.net ones (if you need newer iceweasel). |
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| 00:28.53 | Connie | jmcnaught: i think that's for asterismo ? |
| 00:29.46 | jmcnaught | Connie: no it's new to debian advice :) https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 00:31.31 | Eremiell | Connie: you'll quickly find out, there are tons of unofficial repos out there and will have urge to add all of them. with time, you'll learn what's save and what's not and how to manage various situations, but for now, stay in safe-safe zone. ;) |
| 00:31.59 | abrotman | and if anyone suggests dotdeb, smack them |
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| 00:32.08 | Connie | ooh, that's great advice, thanks a lot |
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| 01:43.56 | arven | What's the easiest way to add customization to the debian installer? I mainly want to put a few options in the "software selection" stage. |
| 01:44.24 | arven | I especially want it to be able to work with a preseed file (I already know how to manage those) |
| 01:45.00 | tikun | hmm... trying to decide if I like KDE or not.... |
| 01:45.14 | tikun | it's changed quite a bit since i've last used it |
| 01:45.26 | shay_shay | Its so busy |
| 01:45.29 | arven | tikun: last used it in 3.5 days? |
| 01:45.32 | arven | or later? |
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| 01:45.48 | tikun | uh, last used several years ago |
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| 01:45.59 | arven | so 4.x was definitely out |
| 01:46.14 | abrotman | "several" is vague |
| 01:46.18 | tikun | hell, I don't know what version i'm currently running, lol |
| 01:46.27 | tikun | 3-5 years |
| 01:46.44 | arven | Help->About from a KDE application should tell you |
| 01:47.29 | tikun | 4.8.4 |
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| 01:48.10 | tikun | pretty sure I was in the 3s last I used it |
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| 01:51.13 | tikun | I just remember it being more graphics intensive... but then again, I am using a desktop that is much more powerful than before. |
| 01:52.20 | arven | tikun: more graphics intensive as in requiring more of the GPU hardware? |
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| 01:54.43 | shay_shay | Ahhh attack of the 5 letter nicks!! |
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| 01:58.20 | tikun | arven: nevermind.... i'm thinking of ubuntu's crap that they were and still have been adding, Unity and all that |
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| 01:58.38 | arven | tikun: yeah, that's vastly different from KDE |
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| 01:59.01 | tikun | yeah, and I hate it. lol |
| 01:59.13 | shay_shay | Newest Unity runs fine on 2007 hardware |
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| 01:59.52 | abrotman | ahem .. |
| 01:59.58 | shay_shay | I'm not saying its good in any other way, but it certainly runs fast |
| 01:59.59 | arven | tikun: I've recently been looking into Trinity Desktop Environment. It runs fine on 96 hardware and on 2011 hardware. |
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| 02:01.02 | tikun | been a while since i've actually used a linux distro as my desktop operating system instead of command line |
| 02:01.14 | arven | there are a few bugs that need to be worked out, and a lot of the "bundled" stuff is kind of lacking (Kopete, office suite) |
| 02:01.34 | shay_shay | Ahem |
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| 02:02.17 | tikun | did they ditch koffice finally? (once again, its been a while, lol) |
| 02:02.26 | shay_shay | #debian-offtopic |
| 02:02.39 | tikun | kk |
| 02:02.52 | shay_shay | Is that an actual channel or did I make it up |
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| 02:03.00 | tikun | probably is |
| 02:03.15 | arven | it is |
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| 02:10.32 | Ridley5 | hi all |
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| 02:12.57 | NeilHanlon_ | Could anyone help me figure out why I'm banned from this channel under my username without a _ ? |
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| 02:13.42 | NeilHanlon_ | .. |
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| 02:14.13 | NeilHanlon_ | [22:14] #debian unable to join channel (address is banned) |
| 02:14.19 | NeilHanlon_ | Hmm |
| 02:14.21 | abrotman | you clearly joined .. |
| 02:14.29 | NeilHanlon_ | it's not showing up in my client |
| 02:14.29 | NeilHanlon_ | odd |
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| 02:18.39 | NeilHanlon_ | shay_shay: yes |
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| 02:20.13 | Guest12285 | Where are hardware requirements listed for Debian? |
| 02:20.18 | shay_shay | Well whois your other nick and then compare the host to the ban masks |
| 02:20.56 | abrotman | Guest12285: in the installation manual |
| 02:21.28 | Guest12285 | OK thanks |
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| 02:27.03 | kushal3 | are you guys really considering shipping jessie with xfce? |
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| 02:27.48 | dvs | ??? |
| 02:27.50 | abrotman | yes, is that a problem for you? I mean, you can install whatever you want |
| 02:27.53 | dvs | wheezy already does |
| 02:28.03 | abrotman | dvs: he means as the default DE |
| 02:28.12 | kushal3 | wheezy netinstall comes with gnome 3 |
| 02:28.15 | dvs | o i c |
| 02:28.22 | kushal3 | not sure about the full dvd... |
| 02:28.27 | abrotman | kushal3: technically it can come with anything you want if you know what you're doing .. |
| 02:28.48 | kushal3 | abrotman, i.. don't really :( |
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| 09:15.43 | petern_ | Hmm, so I have no access to nameservers, my resolv.conf is basically a blank file. How do I prevent stuff trying to use localhost as resolv in that case? |
| 09:16.50 | peetaur2 | petern_: vim /etc/nsswitch.conf hosts: files networks: files (remove dns) |
| 09:17.08 | peetaur2 | if that doesn't work, find 'The Debian Way' of doing it |
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| 09:19.02 | dracarys | hello, question about MX records |
| 09:19.09 | dracarys | is 1 the highest priority or is it the lowest? |
| 09:19.45 | formorer | The preference number is used to indicate in what order the mailer should attempt deliver to the MX hosts, with the lowest numbered MX being the one to try first. |
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| 09:33.30 | petulko391 | hi, i have problem s nagiosgraph.. help my anyone |
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| 09:34.00 | babilen | petulko391: Are you looking for #nagios ? |
| 09:34.34 | petulko391 | yes |
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| 09:36.52 | babilen | petulko391: Great, see you there. |
| 09:37.32 | petulko391 | thx |
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| 10:07.10 | Kingsy | I am trying to install dovecot, however I am getting an error --> http://pastie.org/9363553 <-- can someone offer some advice? |
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| 10:09.55 | osmo_SMS | Kingsy: you updated your sistem? |
| 10:10.34 | Kingsy | osmo_SMS: in what way? |
| 10:10.43 | Kingsy | I have not updated anyway afaik |
| 10:10.46 | osmo_SMS | try to run: aptitude update |
| 10:10.47 | Kingsy | anything** |
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| 10:11.58 | Kingsy | ah that worked.. |
| 10:12.00 | Kingsy | hmm weird |
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| 10:12.03 | Kingsy | thought I tried that |
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| 10:13.14 | Kingsy | osmo_SMS: hmm i don't think it installed correctly tho.. /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf does not exist |
| 10:13.37 | osmo_SMS | maybe because u not updated |
| 10:13.43 | osmo_SMS | try to run after update |
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| 10:14.32 | karan200000 | can wine run teamviewer properly? |
| 10:15.10 | osmo_SMS | you have teamviewer for debian ^.^ |
| 10:15.30 | karan200000 | :o |
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| 10:16.02 | karan200000 | i have a vps running wheezy |
| 10:16.20 | karan200000 | and i installed x2go on that |
| 10:16.50 | karan200000 | now i wanna use gui of my vps through teamviewer |
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| 10:17.41 | osmo_SMS | then go on teamviewer.com/en/download/linux.aspx |
| 10:17.44 | osmo_SMS | and install :) |
| 10:18.04 | karan200000 | is there any x2go client for android? |
| 10:18.13 | osmo_SMS | idk |
| 10:20.15 | Fusl | guys.. can someone tell me if CVE-2014-4699 "[SECURITY] [DSA 2972-1] linux security update" can be exploited by kvm machines with host node kernel version 3.2.0-4-amd64? |
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| 10:21.26 | rhapbit | Hey there :) |
| 10:21.48 | karan200000 | hello |
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| 10:27.23 | Kingsy | osmo_SMS: I did, I updated then installed it |
| 10:27.26 | Kingsy | still no main config |
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| 10:34.17 | dey | im using putty to ssh onto a linux machine. Im having trouble with japanese+german characters (unicode?). All japanese characters are displayed as '?'. Putty is set to UTF8. Japanese font is also installed. Any ideas? |
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| 10:42.16 | SpaceKookie | Can anyone tell me where in XFCE I can set up the FN + Keys shortcuts? I can regulate screen brightness but the FN + Arrowkeys to change it won't work. |
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| 10:55.22 | RickyB98 | my debian machine won't install mysql-server correctly... once i enter my root password (the one mysql wants) then it goes to some innodb errors, makes 5 attempts then fails. then it aborts everything and finally fails |
| 10:55.25 | RickyB98 | any help? |
| 10:55.36 | RickyB98 | i tried removing all mysql related packages.. but that didn't help at all.. |
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| 11:00.41 | bhuddah | RickyB98: did you try purging it too? |
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| 11:01.35 | RickyB98 | bhuddah, how's that done? |
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| 11:02.26 | bhuddah | RickyB98: "apt-get purge <packetname>" ... see the man page for details |
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| 11:02.32 | RickyB98 | okay |
| 11:02.43 | karan200000 | hindi aati hai? |
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| 11:03.51 | zoek | hello, i use geany to write code in python; is there a way to run python interpreter inside geany |
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| 11:12.37 | karan200000 | i have a vps running wheezy....in sources.list file there r two links below rackster......i get errors when i update...what to do? |
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| 11:14.54 | dfb | can you pastebin your source.list? |
| 11:15.39 | petern_ | peetaur2, thanks, testing it (got sidetracked, heh) |
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| 11:16.37 | petern_ | hmm, nope, doesn't affect it :( |
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| 11:18.19 | peetaur2 | petern_: might be some daemon to restart (nscd for example) |
| 11:18.29 | petern_ | not using it. |
| 11:18.43 | petern_ | i've given in, and added an except to the firewall, heh |
| 11:18.53 | petern_ | stops these dns packets being logged at least |
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| 11:20.07 | analogmind_work | hey guys, I'm running Debian on an usb stick. How long you think until the stick dies? |
| 11:20.21 | analogmind_work | it's already giving me fpdma queue errors |
| 11:20.33 | analogmind_work | running it from virtualbox |
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| 11:21.50 | karan200000 | dfb, after removing the two links below rackster its works fine.....no problems |
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| 11:28.07 | dfb | yeah maybe test the urls in your browser and see if they are up... you can maybe find another mirror that does the same thing depending if you actually need those lines for something |
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| 11:28.22 | karan200000 | k |
| 11:28.58 | jelly | analogmind_work: it depends on how smart you were formatting it and avoiding writes |
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| 11:29.52 | analogmind_work | jelly: I just installed the plain configuration, nothing specific |
| 11:30.48 | jelly | analogmind_work: if you made sure to have volatile mountpoints like /var/log, /run, /tmp, $HOME/.cache in RAM, if you only installed stuff wrapped with eatmydata, it might work a good while |
| 11:31.01 | sandman13 | Testing -> Wheezy -> Testing -> Wheezy(with bpoKernel) my life |
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| 11:31.15 | analogmind_work | jelly: ok |
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| 11:31.43 | analogmind_work | is there a way to see the total uptime of the system, without accounting for reboots (shutdowns)? |
| 11:31.43 | jelly | analogmind_work: if you just slapped ext4 on it and let apt/dpkg and syslog write as they may, I'd say expect 6-12 months lifetime |
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| 11:39.08 | AlexPortable | will debian 7 be lts? |
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| 11:39.19 | colo-work | maybe. |
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| 11:40.45 | AlexPortable | so what should i install? |
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| 11:41.35 | AlexPortable | i need something to install on my pc |
| 11:42.04 | sandman13 | Debian LTS? |
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| 11:42.17 | sandman13 | Stable is LTS |
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| 11:43.44 | jelly | sandman13: stable is _not_ long term by any means |
| 11:44.08 | dfb | https://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 11:44.29 | sandman13 | I find it similar yet more stable than LTS of other common distros |
| 11:44.32 | jelly | AlexPortable: install debian 7. It will have at least one year of security support after debian 8 is released |
| 11:44.40 | jelly | !lts |
| 11:44.41 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:45.10 | jelly | sandman13: lts is a different team, and only squeeze is getting the LTS treatment (thus far) |
| 11:45.58 | sandman13 | jelly: thanks for the info learned new thing today |
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| 11:46.59 | AlexPortable | I need 5 year support |
| 11:47.10 | AlexPortable | and i can choose between ubuntu 14.04 lts and debian |
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| 11:49.39 | AlexPortable | debian has software center? |
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| 11:50.08 | jelly | AlexPortable: debian has no 5 year promise anywhere, if you need that use Ubuntu. |
| 11:51.29 | sandman13 | AlexPortable: apper is there I think |
| 11:51.56 | wurglern | I've got a question regarding the development process of Debian Stable. I know we have a rolling-releaese branch named Sid, however I don't know how Debian stable is operated regarding updates. For Example if I install 7.5 can I use it forever like source-based distros? Will kernel and software repository be updated via aptitude etc.? |
| 11:52.05 | jelly | AlexPortable: software-center it technically packaged but I'm not sure how well it works in Debian. Aptitude and synaptic may be better options. |
| 11:52.15 | wurglern | Or is it a classical model, where if I want new versions of software I should install new version from scratch? |
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| 11:52.29 | sandman13 | but I have never used it, I prefer apt-cache search to search packages and apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 11:53.01 | sandman13 | wurglern: changing sources.list to point to the next stable release and you are done |
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| 11:53.16 | jelly | wurglern: you use debian 7.x until debian 8 is released. At that point you can use the documented release upgrade process to change your installation to debian 8 |
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| 11:53.29 | jelly | sandman13: that's is NOT enough. |
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| 11:53.34 | wurglern | sandman13, jelly: thank you |
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| 11:53.36 | sandman13 | oh wait you should use apt-get update and apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade |
| 11:53.58 | jelly | sandman13: please don't give people incomplete information :-( |
| 11:54.14 | sandman13 | jelly: okay |
| 11:54.33 | sandman13 | sorry for that |
| 11:54.43 | ghost75_ | any idea why it tells it cannot find python and python2.7 (its installed already) http://paste.debian.net/108513/ |
| 11:54.47 | jelly | wurglern: with each release, debian gives out the Release Notes that document gotchas and the supported upgrade process |
| 11:54.49 | jelly | !release notes |
| 11:54.50 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 7 "Wheezy" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/releasenotes . See also <squeeze->wheezy>, <install guide>. |
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| 11:55.24 | jelly | wurglern: ^^ see those for an example which contains upgrade procedure to get from debian 6 to 7 |
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| 11:56.01 | wurglern | jelly, thank you, it's very useful |
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| 11:57.53 | ghost75_ | is this bug in package? |
| 11:59.57 | jelly | !tell ghost75_ about experimental |
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| 12:01.13 | ghost75_ | want to know if i did something wrog |
| 12:01.15 | ghost75_ | wrong |
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| 12:02.47 | jelly | ghost75_: stuff in experimental a) has bugs by definition b) is to be used with sid only |
| 12:04.29 | ghost75_ | aha |
| 12:07.13 | AlexPortable | What version of debian has more up to date packages? |
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| 12:07.43 | jelly | ghost75_: if you're surprised by that stuff not working properly, you're probably not the target audience |
| 12:07.56 | jelly | "here be dragons" |
| 12:08.02 | ghost75_ | if was only surprised that it didnt even isntall |
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| 12:10.07 | GazzaBazza | Hi |
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| 12:10.21 | GazzaBazza | I'm really enjoying debian + XFCE |
| 12:10.34 | ghost75_ | <- lxde |
| 12:10.44 | sandman13 | AlexPortable: what is the package you want? for popular packages backports are enough AFAIK |
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| 12:11.13 | AlexPortable | i don't know which package i want |
| 12:11.16 | AlexPortable | i want a desktop that works |
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| 12:11.26 | AlexPortable | browser + printing + scanning + office |
| 12:13.39 | jelly | AlexPortable: do you place more importance on "desktop that works" or "up to date packages"? |
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| 12:13.50 | gregor2 | ;;'''';ääöäöö+üö |
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| 12:14.16 | jelly | gregor2: move the cat AWAY from the keyboard |
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| 12:16.21 | gregor2 | I have a problem with my gpu! At every game, the Framerate is good at the beginning (over 60 fps). But after a view minutes it drops to 10 or 20. I think, instead of cooling by turning on the van it downclocks! |
| 12:16.58 | AlexPortable | jelly: bot |
| 12:17.00 | AlexPortable | both |
| 12:17.06 | AlexPortable | up to date packages mean a desktop that works |
| 12:17.06 | gregor2 | both? |
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| 12:17.57 | jelly | AlexPortable: not really. |
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| 12:18.38 | jelly | new stuff has new bugs; old stuff has known bugs, and known workarounds |
| 12:19.03 | gregor2 | can anyone help me with this? |
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| 12:26.49 | sandman13 | AlexPortable: I had the same itch, I wanted latest KDE in Debian |
| 12:28.05 | sandman13 | I moved to Testing but bugs made me switch back to Debian now I don't use a DE |
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| 12:45.09 | mad_hatter | hey folks, im tyring to install debian for the first time and I'm at this page: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.5.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 12:45.13 | mad_hatter | which one should I download? |
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| 12:46.55 | whiterice | mad_hatter, that depends on what desktop environment/window manager you want to use |
| 12:47.05 | jelly | mad_hatter: the netinst one. Do you plan to install on a laptop or desktop? |
| 12:47.19 | mad_hatter | desktop |
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| 12:47.29 | mad_hatter | and I want the whole package...preferably gnome |
| 12:48.02 | jelly | mad_hatter: you won't have an internet connection available at installation time? |
| 12:48.32 | mad_hatter | yes I will |
| 12:48.57 | jelly | mad_hatter: then use netinst and let the installer download the stuff it needs at installation time. |
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| 12:54.19 | abrotman | looks at mad_hatter ... |
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| 12:57.25 | AlexPortable | so i just installed debian 7 |
| 12:57.29 | AlexPortable | why cant i place anything on the desktop? |
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| 12:58.59 | mad_hatter | abrotman? |
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| 12:59.58 | abrotman | AlexPortable: Are you using GNome3? |
| 13:00.59 | AlexPortable | abrotman: no idea |
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| 13:01.04 | AlexPortable | how can i check? |
| 13:01.12 | abrotman | AlexPortable: this is important to know .. what does the interface look like? |
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| 13:02.19 | AlexPortable | applications, places left top corner |
| 13:02.28 | AlexPortable | time top middle |
| 13:02.34 | AlexPortable | sound, email, battery, internet, username top right |
| 13:02.40 | bnb_dev | Hello ALL |
| 13:02.41 | AlexPortable | bottom left active things i opened |
| 13:02.47 | AlexPortable | bottom right; workspace switcher |
| 13:02.59 | abrotman | AlexPortable: use the gnome-tweak-tool to enable nautilus |
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| 13:03.14 | AlexPortable | Gnome Flashback |
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| 13:03.43 | petern__ | gnome-tweak-tool > desktop > have file manager handle the desktop |
| 13:04.25 | bnb_dev | I did mistake in executing a command, it moved and merged all pdf files into a file called myfiles |
| 13:04.27 | bnb_dev | find /var/www/example.com/app/webroot/files/pdf -iname "*.pdf" -exec mv {} /var/www/example.com/app/webroot/myfiles \; |
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| 13:04.36 | halma | hi all |
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| 13:04.42 | halma | i have an question |
| 13:04.44 | bnb_dev | How i get back all the files? |
| 13:05.00 | abrotman | bnb_dev: your backups |
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| 13:05.14 | bnb_dev | I did not take any backup :( |
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| 13:05.25 | abrotman | bnb_dev: otherwise, figure out the PDF language, see if you can determine some method to break the files apart |
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| 13:05.31 | halma | if i try to build a xen dom0 kernel is it ok if i just edit the .config file and set all "XEN" related stuff to "y" or do i need make menuconfig ? |
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| 13:05.58 | AlexPortable | thanks petern__ |
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| 13:06.09 | AlexPortable | why iceweasel and not firefox? |
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| 13:06.28 | exarkun | On Debian Wheezy, I have a man page for `setns`. I also see it has a prototype in /usr/include. However, I *don't* see the symbol in libc - and neither does ld. What gives? |
| 13:06.50 | bnb_dev | I " rm -fr tar.gz " file, can I recover it? |
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| 13:07.17 | halma | turn of the machine an use an external recovery program |
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| 13:07.52 | bnb_dev | OK |
| 13:07.54 | bnb_dev | thanks |
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| 13:08.14 | halma | important to stop immediately all writes to the hraddrive |
| 13:08.48 | AlexPortable | how can i disable graphical things on gnome fallback? |
| 13:08.53 | halma | one question: if i try to build a xen dom0 kernel is it ok if i just edit the .config file and set all "XEN" related stuff to "y" or do i need make menuconfig ? |
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| 13:09.53 | AlexPortable | is the wine version on debian older than on ubuntu? |
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| 13:10.27 | halma | use google and checkout the versions and compare |
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| 13:11.03 | AlexPortable | how can i add myself to the sudoers file? |
| 13:11.08 | halma | who can help me with a kernel building question |
| 13:11.08 | CissWit | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=wine https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wine <- depends on versions of Ubuntu and Debian you use |
| 13:11.51 | halma | use visudo and insert your username under the root user |
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| 13:12.05 | halma | use the rootuser as example configuration |
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| 13:13.53 | halma | if i try to build a xen dom0 kernel is it ok if i just edit the .config file and set all "XEN" related stuff to "y" or do i need make menuconfig ? |
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| 13:29.16 | souf | Hi, I got a newby question. The fact : I want to use docker on my debian system. Docker's doc says that debian 8 is required. I'm under debian 7. The question : now i'm wondering, what does a major debian update means ? For instance are debian 7 and 8 structurally different ? Or are is it only the packages defaultly installed and so on that differs ? |
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| 13:30.32 | souf | Maybe my question is confusing, actually i'm wondering what is the change between 2 debian versions ? |
| 13:30.44 | souf | 2 major* version |
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| 13:33.09 | bw__ | not too much, only all packages come in newer versions; somethings major things get changed, like support for openvz gets dropped |
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| 13:34.47 | Brigo | souf, but docker is in wheezy, so it can run in debian 7 |
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| 13:35.48 | Cpuroast | except debian 8 isn't quite ready yet |
| 13:35.52 | Cpuroast | freeze is in november |
| 13:36.49 | souf | Thanks, then debian 7 and 8 are structurally the same ? If i understood there are only security update, packages updates... |
| 13:37.00 | bw__ | souf, you can install jessie in a vm and try docker there, it runs perfectly fine in a vm, if you dont want to upgrade |
| 13:37.48 | souf | bw__: yes, but my curiosity wanted to know what was the differences between 2 debian major versions ! |
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| 13:38.02 | Brigo | souf, there is not such think like debian 8 yet. I will be freeze in november and release in one point of the next year. |
| 13:38.04 | bw__ | like Cpuroast said, it's not finished and there are daily coming changes in, it _might_ break something |
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| 13:38.27 | souf | yes got it |
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| 13:39.43 | souf | Brigo: in debian 7.1 (the version i got right now) there is a package named docker. But that's not the same as i want, the one i'm looking appears appears to be docker.io |
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| 13:39.48 | bw__ | tbo, i think everyone running debian on a desktop or server with a longer experince in debian i running testing or stable mixed with packports/testing packages pinned |
| 13:39.56 | bw__ | is* |
| 13:40.07 | Brigo | souf, right |
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| 13:40.32 | bw__ | souf: docker.io is in unstable right now |
| 13:40.52 | souf | yes ok, i will add unstable to my sources, not a problem |
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| 13:41.42 | Brigo | souf, i think ssb will be a better solution |
| 13:41.43 | bw__ | if you're careful and you pinning it's now problem :) |
| 13:41.49 | Brigo | !tell souf about ssb |
| 13:42.04 | souf | Brigo: what is ssb ? |
| 13:42.39 | Brigo | i ask dpkg bot to tell it to you |
| 13:42.40 | abrotman | Cpuroast: it's not even close to ready .. it's a long way off |
| 13:43.00 | souf | oh yes thanks Brigo didnt pay attention |
| 13:43.02 | Cpuroast | abrotman: of course |
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| 13:50.29 | souf | Brigo ssb = using backport ? |
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| 13:50.42 | Brigo | simple sid backport |
| 13:50.58 | Brigo | let apt compile it for you :) |
| 13:51.01 | souf | ok |
| 13:51.12 | souf | thanks for the new knowledge ! |
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| 13:53.25 | Brigo | that is one of the aims of this channel |
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| 13:58.22 | rue_mohr2 | it seems that wodim no longer works (on all my machines, with any of my disks, it says there is no disk in the drive), so I cant burn an install cd, how do I install a *not* live cd via usb? |
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| 13:59.09 | rue_mohr2 | than again, it can burn dvd's fine |
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| 14:00.02 | souf | Brigo: according to the bot instruction i have added 2 lines in my sources.list, then i update but there is an error and i cant figure out what is wrong. See : http://pastebin.com/QyjWScBV |
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| 14:00.47 | rue_mohr2 | deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ sid>2 main contrib non-free |
| 14:00.50 | rue_mohr2 | that line is wrong |
| 14:01.14 | souf | it's what the bot said me to use |
| 14:01.20 | Brigo | souf, replace sid>2 with sid |
| 14:01.22 | rue_mohr2 | the bot was wrong |
| 14:01.26 | souf | ok |
| 14:02.04 | souf | yes works better :) Maybe the bot would need an update ? |
| 14:02.43 | yogisophi | ok, i have a debian notebook wid sid installed, i hvae neglaected this note book for 9 months and it needs tons of updates however I cannot conect online to update and it has errors when i tryto update it |
| 14:03.02 | yogisophi | can anyone help? |
| 14:03.02 | souf | no actually I asked bad question to the bot |
| 14:03.03 | ftpmget | hello to all...let me describe my problem from start...i have 2 hdd in my laptop...switching boot drives in bios...sata is win, and ssd is debian...on win hdd i have iso image of debian first dvd...i played with sources.list and by stupid accident deleted the entry for dvd source...how i did this before: from debian i mounted ntfs win partition...then via console "mount"-ed the iso file as /media/cdrom...everything ok...files accessible under debian. |
| 14:03.18 | rue_mohr2 | yogisophi, why do you need to update it? |
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| 14:03.37 | yogisophi | it has bugs and i cannot get online' |
| 14:03.56 | yogisophi | even with a ethernet cable it wont connect |
| 14:03.58 | rue_mohr2 | is the only bug that you cant get online? |
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| 14:04.21 | yogisophi | there is aanother error when I tried to get online as well |
| 14:04.33 | yogisophi | error with the updates |
| 14:04.52 | yogisophi | i want to install a diff os on it' |
| 14:06.06 | rue_mohr2 | I use command line, you dont want my help |
| 14:06.16 | yogisophi | i cannot even upload a diff os because its a small netbook with no disk drive and the only version of a |
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| 14:06.24 | yogisophi | i can handle that' |
| 14:06.50 | yogisophi | the only version of a bnootloader for the new os system is windows |
| 14:07.27 | rue_mohr2 | windows is the source of all problems |
| 14:07.59 | yogisophi | its not my comp that is windows |
| 14:08.13 | yogisophi | but it is the only other comp i have access to |
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| 14:09.02 | yogisophi | but i just thought... perhaps I can install a simulator linux os on the windows to install the correct version of the bootloader |
| 14:09.52 | yogisophi | unless someone could help me connect my componline |
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| 14:10.04 | rue_mohr2 | I use command line, you dont want my help |
| 14:10.18 | yogisophi | i do want your help |
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| 14:10.37 | yogisophi | wte fixes this comp |
| 14:10.50 | rue_mohr2 | nobody wants help that involves going to a command line |
| 14:10.58 | rue_mohr2 | every one wants gui help |
| 14:11.07 | rue_mohr2 | and nobody writes cds anymore |
| 14:11.19 | yogisophi | if you tell me what to type im sure i can handle it |
| 14:11.30 | yogisophi | if it fixws |
| 14:11.46 | yogisophi | but i cannot even tell you why it wont connect |
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| 14:12.00 | yogisophi | it would be alot of time to fix |
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| 14:12.34 | yogisophi | ... |
| 14:12.42 | souf | rue_mohr2: i do use cds |
| 14:12.42 | rue_mohr2 | ifconfig -a |
| 14:12.46 | souf | :) |
| 14:13.03 | rue_mohr2 | souf, you dont write them with wodim I suspect |
| 14:13.05 | yogisophi | ok let me power up |
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| 14:13.50 | souf | rue_mohr2: no i dont |
| 14:14.12 | rue_mohr2 | because wodim dosn't work with cd's anymore |
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| 14:16.58 | jhutchins | ftpmget: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 14:17.19 | yogisophi | command not found |
| 14:17.33 | yogisophi | :( |
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| 14:18.44 | jhutchins | yogisophi: When working on system-wide changes and system configuration, assume that the commands need to be done as root. |
| 14:18.50 | rue_mohr2 | your running windows, not linux |
| 14:19.05 | yogisophi | my netbook is linux |
| 14:19.11 | rue_mohr2 | oh yea, or your not root |
| 14:19.32 | rue_mohr2 | I have to leave for work now! |
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| 14:19.52 | yogisophi | k im in root |
| 14:20.06 | yogisophi | ok |
| 14:20.55 | rue_mohr2 | ifconfig -a will tell you what eth* interface you have |
| 14:20.59 | rue_mohr2 | probably 0 or 1 |
| 14:21.01 | rue_mohr2 | maybe 2 |
| 14:21.27 | yogisophi | i see that but how is... |
| 14:21.28 | rue_mohr2 | then run dhclient eth0 (if its in fact eth0 you have) |
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| 14:21.35 | yogisophi | i do |
| 14:21.36 | rue_mohr2 | dhcleint eth0 |
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| 14:22.00 | yogisophi | not found |
| 14:22.04 | rue_mohr2 | then run ifconfig again, you should see the eth interface with an ip address |
| 14:22.07 | rue_mohr2 | really |
| 14:22.12 | rue_mohr2 | no dhclient |
| 14:22.41 | rue_mohr2 | then you need to make sure the eth number in the ifconfig matches the file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:22.49 | rue_mohr2 | by changing the interfaces file |
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| 14:23.05 | rue_mohr2 | then reboot |
| 14:23.12 | yogisophi | ok |
| 14:23.16 | rue_mohr2 | bye! |
| 14:23.24 | yogisophi | i did dhclient eth0 |
| 14:23.36 | yogisophi | but ok |
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| 14:24.54 | tuor-work | hi, i have problems with my wireless card. First, it's not the hardware, i tested with an exaclty similar hardware and it's still the same. I can connec't to the wireless when i startup. Some days it works with out problem. Some days it, after (always changing) amount of time, i can't reache anything. My ip is still configured. My route to. but I can't ping the router. |
| 14:25.17 | tuor-work | I'm the single in the network having this problem. some inforations: http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/cfbf99d5 |
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| 14:27.26 | yogisophi | thx for nothing.. lol it already matches |
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| 14:27.48 | tuor-work | I have tryed to reinstall. I don't install any networkmanager. I had only installed wireless-tools and iwlwifi. that's it. And the same problem. |
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| 14:29.43 | tuor-work | If I have this Problem, nothing what i tested helped, only reboot. I tryed to 'sudo ifdown wlan0; sudo ifup wlan0', restarting the networking service, checked if the iwlwifi module is loaded, yes it was. thx for help! |
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| 14:32.08 | babilen | tuor-work: Your configuration looks perfectly sane, but you might want to try a newer kernel. For that configure backports and install the kernel *and* firmware package(s) from wheezy-backports. |
| 14:32.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell tuor-work -about bdo kernel |
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| 14:32.56 | crane | does anyone knows how to disable or reduce the timeout of exim when there is no uplink? |
| 14:33.01 | babilen | tuor-work: Apart from that you might want to consider configuring wpa-supplicant in roaming mode or using network-manager. But then that shouldn't™ be necessary if you only ever connect to the same network. |
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| 14:35.01 | sharky | babilen, I hit a bug in nouveau on Debian wheeyz |
| 14:35.20 | sharky | wheezy |
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| 14:36.15 | sharky | when booting Debian screen goes blur, black with points, like fog |
| 14:36.30 | tuor-work | babilen, if it's works first with out, then i'll use it again. But for know i wan't to limit the possibilities of failure. Do I not get problems with other Programms, if i install only the kernel and the iwlwifi firmware at newer version? Can I "downgrade" again, after installing the new version? |
| 14:36.32 | sharky | you can't log in |
| 14:36.48 | babilen | sharky: I personally don't consider nouveau to be a replacement for the nvidia drivers in every case yet. (in particular the version in wheezy) |
| 14:36.54 | sharky | on nvidia |
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| 14:37.03 | {4e65746f} | exit |
| 14:37.51 | babilen | tuor-work: You can install many kernels side-by-side and you can easily remove the newer one if that doesn't help. You can also downgrade the firmware package, but you would either have to do so manually with "dpkg -i ..." or by purging it first and then reinstalling the older version. |
| 14:37.53 | sharky | babilen, actually the driver works perfectly fine, I can play 1080p, all good, no problem, only the booting mode is bad |
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| 14:38.41 | babilen | tuor-work: The background is simply that the module in the newer kernel *might* behave differently. So far I haven't seen any actual error (nor corresponding logs from, say, dmesg or syslog) |
| 14:39.09 | sharky | babilen, the solution I found is in hte grub manu, on linux line add "grub_glxmode=1280x1024x24" and it boots normally |
| 14:39.12 | tuor-work | babilen, ok. So I'll try it thx. dpkg have to be a bot i asume. thx. |
| 14:39.57 | folivora | Can anyone tell me if I can tell proftpd-mod_clamav to check files which are coming to certain directory? I would not want to check all the files |
| 14:39.58 | sharky | babilen, I don't know where is best to report that, it happens to me on multiple computers |
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| 14:41.26 | babilen | sharky: Splendid, well done! |
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| 14:41.55 | babilen | tuor-work: yeah, dpkg is both a bot in here and a low-level package management tool. |
| 14:42.03 | sharky | babilen, ;), at least I was thinking if people ask here you will give them the right answer |
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| 14:42.46 | babilen | sharky: You could consider using reportbug and reporting a bug against xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, but you should verify that it happens in unstable first. (stable is stable regarding bugs too) |
| 14:43.28 | babilen | sharky: Sorry, I am not too intimately familiar with nouveau and probably not the best person to debug that. |
| 14:43.39 | sharky | babilen, I have one jessy installation that was acting weird too, but haven't tried that on it yet |
| 14:43.48 | babilen | Sure |
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| 14:44.07 | cek | alrighty, i've found an nfs bug |
| 14:45.02 | sharky | babilen, what do you mean by "stable is stable regarding bugs too"? That some bug may be already taken care of and that is why verify in unstable? |
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| 14:46.10 | babilen | sharky: "stable" means "not changing" in the context of Debian (and has *nothing* to do with "working") |
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| 14:47.09 | sharky | babilen, but packages are update in stable too, why "not changing" |
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| 14:48.21 | cek | https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.hipchat.com/50867/961387/ZxKi7IfZ9xV3PIr/nfsttrcrap.png |
| 14:48.25 | sharky | I try only to understang the semantics and the meaning, I think it is not so clear to me |
| 14:48.42 | M1521191901 | meaning of? |
| 14:48.49 | M1521191901 | stable? |
| 14:49.15 | sharky | M1521191901, yes and "stable is stable regarding bugs too" |
| 14:49.15 | tuor-work | babilen, thx. (i know that's about the tool :) ) |
| 14:49.28 | M1521191901 | bugs regard to? |
| 14:50.06 | sharky | M1521191901, I hit bug in nouveau on wheezy |
| 14:50.29 | M1521191901 | is nouveau a package? |
| 14:50.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell sharky -about stable |
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| 14:50.58 | babilen | dpkg: stable |
| 14:50.58 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.5); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 14:51.11 | sharky | a driver, but there is some package |
| 14:51.32 | M1521191901 | we;; then is a driver bug not an OS bug |
| 14:51.35 | M1521191901 | well |
| 14:52.02 | babilen | sharky: And by "stable is stable regarding bugs too" I mean that the behaviour of software regarding bugs also doesn't change (i.e. bugs aren't fixed). Naturally grave bugs and security problems are an exception here. |
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| 14:52.43 | tuor-work | babilen, what meens "rt" and "dbg" for example at: "linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64-dbg" |
| 14:52.49 | sharky | babilen, I see now, thanks |
| 14:53.11 | sharky | babilen, so bugs are only fixed in testing and unstable? |
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| 14:54.45 | babilen | sharky: yes, exactly |
| 14:55.03 | babilen | tuor-work: "rt" == "real time", "dbg" == "debug" |
| 14:55.16 | tuor-work | babilen, thx. |
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| 15:00.49 | binaryhermit | ~some bugs get fixed in stable... mostly security bugs |
| 15:01.58 | sharky | binaryhat, babilen thanks for the clarification |
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| 15:07.15 | tuor-work | babilen, whith "firmware package(s)" do you only ment "firmware-linux-free", or more then this? |
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| 15:19.49 | skilz | How do I install cursors? |
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| 15:19.56 | skroon | h |
| 15:20.42 | skroon | i'm using a minimalistic installtion of jessy, with openssh-server installed, but as soon as I try to login with root (i've got my ssh public key in authorized_file) I see that it logs in, but then directly logs out. |
| 15:20.58 | skroon | I turned on sshd debugging, but I can't really figure out what's going wrong, anyone that might know what i'm doing wrong? |
| 15:21.03 | skilz | Windows cursors |
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| 15:21.38 | Brigo | skroon, did you check logs? |
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| 15:23.44 | skroon | Brigo: the thing is I don't really see much in the logs :( |
| 15:25.03 | Brigo | can you paste the syslog? |
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| 15:26.01 | skroon | Brigo: yep, hold on |
| 15:26.12 | skroon | Brigo: it's inside a docker container so little harder to get the logs :-) |
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| 15:29.39 | Krigsforbryter | Hello, i have a problem with Wine on a new installed server |
| 15:30.18 | Krigsforbryter | use apt-get to install wine but everytime i run wine i got no response from it. No errormessages or someting |
| 15:31.11 | esakish | Why do you need wine? |
| 15:31.51 | Krigsforbryter | so the software thinks i run Windows |
| 15:32.30 | petn-randall | Krigsforbryter: You'll likely need an X server running to see the result. What type of software exactly? Not everything can be run sensibly under wine. |
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| 15:33.22 | Krigsforbryter | petn-randall: i got no reaction from it, not even "wine --help" |
| 15:33.23 | brianblaze420 | maybe a vm would be better? |
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| 15:34.09 | karan200000 | which is better- wine or playonlinux? |
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| 15:37.13 | skilz | How do I install a set of cursors? They are all .cur files. |
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| 15:39.24 | Anarch | Where is a comprehensive list of XkbOptions? I only know about ctrl:swapcaps because I remember it from older systems; it's not in `man keyboard`. |
| 15:40.18 | skilz | karan200000, Playonlinux would be more suited to your needs. |
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| 15:47.49 | skroon | Brigo: Think i've found the reason while getting the logs over (so thanks :-)) |
| 15:48.00 | skroon | Brigo: I was getting: PAM: pam_open_session(): Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session |
| 15:48.10 | skroon | Brigo: seems like this is because of some kernel feature missing |
| 15:48.32 | Brigo | skroon, mmm. |
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| 15:56.20 | karan200000 | hello debhelper |
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| 16:01.50 | LordDeath | how big/small are the chances to see this in jessie? http://lxqt.org/ |
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| 16:04.04 | esakish | Quite small I think |
| 16:04.22 | esakish | Depends on whether there is a maintainer for it, and whether its stable or alpha/etc |
| 16:04.25 | jelly | ,v lxqt-common |
| 16:04.27 | judd | No package named 'lxqt-common' was found in i386. |
| 16:04.33 | esakish | I think. Don't quote me on that. |
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| 16:05.11 | jelly | judd: wnpp lxqt-common |
| 16:05.12 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/747599 in wnpp (open): «ITP: lxqt-common -- Common files for LXQt»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-05-10; last modified: 2014-05-10. |
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| 16:05.30 | jelly | esakish: ask the guy that wanted to package it ^^ |
| 16:05.37 | jelly | er, LordDeath ^^ |
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| 16:06.57 | jelly | he seems to have filed ITP for a good bit of lxqt https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?submitter=ajqlee%40debian.org |
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| 16:28.01 | jedahan | so, I want to run a command forever, and start it on boot. "while : do mycommand; done" (mycommand.sh) works fine in the shell, but "start-stop-daemon --start --background --exec mycommand.sh" only runs the command once |
| 16:28.26 | shay_shay | You'll have to make a loop |
| 16:28.30 | Krigsforbryter | exit |
| 16:28.39 | Krigsforbryter | ups |
| 16:28.57 | jedahan | shay_shay, wrap the start-stop-daemon in a while loop? |
| 16:29.55 | jedahan | ahh i made that confusing. Lets say `cat mycommand.sh` shows "while : do echo 'boy howdee'; sleep 3; done" |
| 16:30.02 | jedahan | its already in a loop |
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| 16:30.54 | SynrG | aaa: ia32-libs is obsolete |
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| 16:31.09 | aaa | what is the replacement ? |
| 16:31.11 | Bombo | hi |
| 16:31.18 | SynrG | !multiarch |
| 16:31.19 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 16:31.28 | SynrG | aaa: ^^ this |
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| 16:32.29 | SynrG | aaa: if you do that, then probably ia32-libs still installs (but is inferior to just installing the individual libs you want) |
| 16:32.44 | SynrG | aaa: so i should've said 'deprecated' :) |
| 16:32.46 | Bombo | when i do 'df' i see two entries concerning root 1: 'rootfs ... /' and '/dev/disk/by-uuid/... /' no idea where that came from |
| 16:32.58 | aaa | i would go with installing the individual libs but dont which ones |
| 16:33.12 | Bombo | (i suppose that it is nor normal, is it) |
| 16:33.18 | Bombo | (not) |
| 16:35.06 | SynrG | aaa: maybe ldd path-to-binary |
| 16:35.14 | aaa | libc6-i386 <-- soolved |
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| 16:35.23 | SynrG | aaa: super :) |
| 16:35.24 | Bombo | anyone also got two mounted / in df? (wheezy) |
| 16:35.35 | SynrG | aaa: libc6:i386, you mean |
| 16:35.40 | juliohm | Could you please confirm Debian testing is rolling release? |
| 16:35.48 | SynrG | !rolling |
| 16:35.49 | dpkg | Testing is not a rolling release in the strict sense of the word. It is a test platform, currently codenamed <jessie>. It is part of the Debian development process and is gradually being built into the next <stable>. Please go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org for support. See <moving target>. |
| 16:36.15 | juliohm | thanks SynrG |
| 16:36.23 | jelly | juliohm: it's not. There are times it barely twiteches, let alone rolls |
| 16:36.30 | jelly | twitches* |
| 16:36.47 | SynrG | i wonder if jelly rolls |
| 16:37.22 | jelly | donuts |
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| 16:37.35 | juliohm | jelly, SynrG what are the practical consequences? |
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| 16:37.52 | juliohm | I'm deciding between Arch and Debian testing |
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| 16:38.16 | SynrG | juliohm: if you're a user not interested in testing, but just in a rolling release, don't choose Debian testing. |
| 16:38.42 | SynrG | juliohm: if you're ok with being a guinea pig and willing to be part of the development process, testing may be for you. |
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| 16:39.43 | jelly | juliohm: there are times when even stable is more usable for actual work, and has quicker updates, eg. during the <freeze> part of the release cycle |
| 16:40.02 | jelly | erm. stable is supposed to be more usable |
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| 16:40.55 | juliohm | SynrG, jelly, how often does Debian Testing breaks? I know this is really difficult question to answer, but do you have any numbers? |
| 16:41.06 | juliohm | From your own experience |
| 16:41.23 | SynrG | more if you don't know what you're doing. less if you do. |
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| 16:41.28 | juliohm | SynrG, I'm a user interested in bleeding edge software |
| 16:41.34 | SynrG | since i know what i'm doing, not often. |
| 16:41.41 | SynrG | not in any way i can't solve in minutes |
| 16:41.47 | jelly | juliohm: every time you decide to upgrade blindly, especially during <freeze> and right after a release |
| 16:42.03 | juliohm | SynrG, imagine that I'll only develop my applications and rarely install new software |
| 16:42.09 | jelly | breaks SynrG's perl |
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| 16:42.34 | juliohm | jelly, ok, I guess I'll go with Arch then |
| 16:42.39 | shay_shay | jedahan: try #bash |
| 16:42.57 | jedahan | will do shay_shay, thank |
| 16:43.09 | juliohm | thanks jelly SynrG |
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| 16:44.00 | SynrG | juliohm: there's no way to give you a meaningful answer to your question, since i cannot possibly know your use case's "badness" or "fragileness" compared to mine. |
| 16:44.24 | SynrG | some people doing simple things break their systems horribly shortly after installing testing ... |
| 16:44.37 | SynrG | some people doing complex things run testing fine for years, with no issues |
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| 16:44.57 | shay_shay | juliohm: it never breaks for me |
| 16:45.20 | shay_shay | I do alot of customizations too. |
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| 16:45.37 | jelly | shay_shay: how long have you used it and how many release cycles did you live through? |
| 16:45.39 | Bombo | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=653073 |
| 16:45.43 | Bombo | got it |
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| 16:47.04 | shay_shay | Jelly I like to stick with the release until after the freeze for as long as I can... Then I will upgrade. But I was running wheezy when it was testing on one machine and it still works fine |
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| 16:52.16 | brontosaurusrex | how do i search for package in jessie/sid/experimental? |
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| 16:53.23 | shay_shay | https://packages.debian.org/testing/ |
| 16:54.03 | Bombo | brontosaurusrex: apt-cache search |
| 16:54.03 | brontosaurusrex | shay_shay, wasnt there search? |
| 16:54.24 | jelly | brontosaurusrex: search by name? Description? Contents? Use packages.debian.org, or enable the repos and apt-cache search or aptitude search, or use some of judd bot facilities |
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| 16:54.38 | jelly | !tell brontosaurusrex about search |
| 16:55.15 | brontosaurusrex | my god ... |
| 16:55.18 | brontosaurusrex | how do i search for package in jessie/sid/experimental? |
| 16:55.49 | shay_shay | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=search |
| 16:55.53 | shay_shay | Lol |
| 16:56.29 | shay_shay | Sorry I googled that for you with the wrong keywords. I forgot to include "search" |
| 16:56.44 | brontosaurusrex | shay_shay, thanks |
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| 17:01.53 | void | hi |
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| 17:02.24 | void | everytime i try to shutdown the computer or check a partition it ask for root permissions |
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| 17:02.48 | void | there's any way to change it to allow a normal user do this ? |
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| 17:07.27 | brontosaurusrex | void, http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_allow_non-super_users_to_shutdown_computer_in_Linux |
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| 17:16.46 | mgaunard | hi folks |
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| 17:16.59 | mgaunard | how can I add the key for a repository to apt? |
| 17:17.40 | babilen | mgaunard: You use apt-key for that. Please note that installing software from third-party repositories voids your warranty (and your chance of support in here) and is in a large number of cases not a good idea. |
| 17:18.23 | ikonia | mgaunard: just be aware adding debian repos to ubuntu will break your system |
| 17:18.33 | ikonia | mgaunard: you are using ubuntu and the debian repos you want to add are not for ubuntu |
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| 17:18.58 | mgaunard | ikonia: I do not care about your offtopics comments. This is not my question. |
| 17:19.09 | ikonia | that is your question |
| 17:19.31 | mgaunard | it's you misinterpreting my question. Please don't try to answer my question. |
| 17:19.45 | ikonia | but if you don't care and I see babilen has already warned you of it voiding your support in this channel (not that this channel supports ubuntu) you'l be fine |
| 17:20.13 | mgaunard | I don't care about the warning. What I care about is the answer. |
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| 17:21.45 | babilen | mgaunard: Are you using Ubuntu rather than Debian? |
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| 17:23.10 | mgaunard | babilen: thanks. Yes, I want to cherry pick some packages from debian. |
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| 17:25.54 | babilen | mgaunard: This channel only support Debian and Debian users and not Ubuntu. This is due to both social and technical reasons and I would kindly ask you to accept that policy and seek support for the distribution *you* chose to run in #ubuntu. Thank you. |
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| 17:28.16 | mgaunard | babilen: my question is not related to either distribution. It's a question about the apt set of tools which is developed by debian. |
| 17:28.52 | gregor2 | exit |
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| 17:32.21 | TimRiker | apt, ping |
| 17:32.21 | apt | ~pong |
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| 17:35.11 | jmd | I want to replace sysV init with dmd. How do I do this? |
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| 17:35.38 | gregor2 | how can i stop the x server? |
| 17:36.00 | towo` | if you use a $DM, stop him |
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| 17:36.12 | towo` | jmd, o don't think, you can |
| 17:36.16 | shay_shay | mgaunard: if its generic then #ubuntu should be able to help you. If they ignore you, you can't expect Debian support to pick up the slack. The line has to be drawn somewhere |
| 17:36.35 | shay_shay | Otherwise they'll send everyone here |
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| 17:39.47 | FaTony | hi, how to make application launcher think it's run from a specific directory? |
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| 17:40.34 | abrotman | jmd: probably follow the docs on the DMD site? |
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| 17:49.21 | juliohm | what is the current GCC version in Debian Testing? |
| 17:49.55 | somiaj | ,v gcc |
| 17:49.56 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.0-4; sid: 4:4.9.0-4 |
| 17:50.15 | somiaj | judd: testing will have multiple versions of gcc you can install, but it appears 4.9 is the version the meta package gcc points at |
| 17:50.21 | somiaj | juliohm: ^^ |
| 17:50.59 | juliohm | thanks somiaj :) |
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| 17:51.41 | somiaj | looks like 4.6, 4.7, 4.8 and 4.9 are all available for testing |
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| 17:59.47 | juliohm | where is the Debian Testing iso download? |
| 18:00.01 | juliohm | https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 18:00.25 | juliohm | I want try it on a VM |
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| 18:01.20 | jelly | juliohm: install stable, then upgrade (read /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie) |
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| 18:02.08 | juliohm | jelly, https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 18:02.37 | jelly | juliohm: that's the testing release of the installer software, not an installer for the testing release :-) |
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| 18:02.58 | juliohm | oh |
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| 18:03.11 | juliohm | jelly, is this the installer that comes with Gnome 3? |
| 18:03.14 | zinx | there isn't a non-testing release of the installer software that installs testing/sid |
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| 18:03.52 | jelly | juliohm: I honestly have no idea which desktop environment is default these days |
| 18:05.05 | jelly | juliohm: even if gnome isn't default any more, you can probably pick it in the expert mode |
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| 18:05.36 | juliohm | ok jelly, thanks |
| 18:05.52 | jelly | somewhere not unlike |
| 18:05.55 | jelly | !install kde |
| 18:05.55 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". |
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| 18:07.53 | Anarch | I just got KDE installed. How can I configure the window manager to put useful buttons on windows like Konsole? I need to be able to move, resize, etc. |
| 18:08.39 | shay_shay | https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2014/20140319 for those asking about Jessie installer |
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| 18:10.38 | juliohm | Why is the installer asking me for a Domain name? What I'm supposed to fill in? |
| 18:10.50 | shay_shay | just noticed juliohm already posted the link .. |
| 18:11.03 | juliohm | "Configure the network" step of the installation |
| 18:11.15 | juliohm | the hostname is the name of the machine, the domain name is...? |
| 18:11.21 | shay_shay | juliohm: put "myhouse" |
| 18:11.30 | shay_shay | :) |
| 18:11.31 | juliohm | shay_shay, what is this for? |
| 18:11.41 | juliohm | how Debian uses this Domain name? |
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| 18:11.58 | juliohm | This is for static IP address? I want use DHCP |
| 18:12.25 | shay_shay | http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fully_qualified_domain_name |
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| 18:13.37 | shay_shay | You can make it whatever you want |
| 18:15.24 | juliohm | thanks shay_shay, I don't understand though how this name is used though |
| 18:15.37 | juliohm | s/though// |
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| 18:16.57 | juliohm | what is his LVM option after guided partition? |
| 18:17.27 | juliohm | I can choose between Guided - Use entire disk and optionally set up a LVM |
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| 18:18.18 | juliohm | I see the wiki page |
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| 18:22.06 | shay_shay | juliohm: if you use LVM use the whole disk for the container, but for the volumes only allocate 50% of the container |
| 18:22.32 | shay_shay | That way you can increase them as you need as time goes on. Its far easier to grow them than to shrink |
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| 18:24.17 | juliohm | shay_shay, thanks, I probably don't need this expansion/shrinkage feature LVM provides |
| 18:24.34 | shay_shay | That way you can have separate /home without having to guess at how big your / will need to be later |
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| 18:25.55 | juliohm | shay_shay, but the default guided partition scheme allocates enough memory for a usual /, correct? |
| 18:26.06 | juliohm | I never had to deal with its size in the past |
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| 18:26.42 | scoobert1on | I have an encrypted root partition and an unencrypted swap partition. is anything special needed to suspend/resume to disk, or should it work in the usual way? |
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| 18:26.48 | shay_shay | Yeah it should but what's good for one person might be overkill or underkill for another |
| 18:27.01 | juliohm | :) |
| 18:27.12 | shay_shay | So check what it proposes it before you accept and write |
| 18:27.47 | shay_shay | can't wait for btrfs to be default |
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| 18:38.46 | exarkun | On Debian Wheezy, I have a man page for `setns`. I also see it has a prototype in /usr/include. However, I *don't* see the symbol in libc - and neither does ld. What gives? |
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| 18:49.25 | exarkun | Okay... Technically I guess this is not a bug. The man page does say the call was introduced in glibc 2.14 and Wheezy has 2.13. :/ |
| 18:49.34 | exarkun | :( |
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| 18:56.02 | banjo | hi i get this output: https://paste.debian.net/108546 while i want to start diakonos. its for a month or 2 now. tried to reinstall but didnt help. on testing |
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| 19:21.01 | toli | guys do you know why after making boot-able usb device using dd if=xxx of=xxx bs=4096, it shows me only ISOLINUX ....... and prompt blinking, tried to modify the isolinux.conf, but seems I am only able to mount this drive only in read mode! |
| 19:22.07 | shay_shay | Toli have you booted from that drive before? |
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| 19:22.25 | hiro_ | I have a problem with a bridge in network/interfaces: I use hwaddr eth0-mac-addr and I can see that the hwaddr gets set correctly. Also the SLAAC ipv6 address seems correct. Just the link-local address belongs to the wrong bridge port. Why is that? |
| 19:22.28 | toli | shay_shay, yes! and even tried other usb |
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| 19:22.57 | shay_shay | Toli Have you booted that computer before from USB? |
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| 19:23.13 | toli | shay_shay, nope |
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| 19:27.30 | toli | no one? |
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| 19:28.17 | rozie | toli: what usb? what do you want to do, exactly? |
| 19:28.45 | toli | rozie, booting a machine with the USB |
| 19:28.46 | rozie | you probably use iso for cd as image for USB |
| 19:28.54 | happytux | So is the openssh blacklist still required? I use Debian Wheezy (7). |
| 19:28.56 | happytux | I think it is intended for legacy systems which openssh server was affected by the rng vulnerability and to prevent accidental slip-in of affected keys when migrating from such a legacy system? |
| 19:29.21 | rozie | if you want to boot Debian from USB you can install it on USB just like on HDD |
| 19:29.58 | rozie | happytux: not server was affected. keys were. |
| 19:30.34 | [1]b0bi | Hi, someone gave me dsc files of openssh and openssl(1.0.1h with fips module) he gave me these files for debian 6 and for debian 7, first of all I did dpkg-source -x [openssl dsc file] and built it with dpkg-buildpackage, I installed all the deb files that were created and went to do the same for the openssh, on debian 6 everything went fine, but in debian 7 I got the following error: http://pastebin.com/0bUMxHqb |
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| 19:32.36 | [1]b0bi | sorry for the long description :) , TL;DR : when performing buildpackage on openssh I get error that says that the openssl headers did not much the library, and both versions that are shown are wrong. |
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| 19:37.04 | happytux | rozie: ah |
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| 19:37.19 | happytux | rozie: So there can be still legacy _clients_ which generate unsafe keys? |
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| 19:38.42 | rozie | might be. but point is - if I understand correctly - to prevent login to any system with those keys |
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| 19:43.57 | prot_ | where can I find the debian handbook in .pdf format for download? ive searched already, only found the old version. |
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| 19:45.09 | Shadow_7 | prot_: debian-handbook.info ??? been a while, it exists (somewhere). |
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| 19:48.22 | skilz | is there some program like the OS X 'Spotlight' that I can run (WM regardless) and it will sit in the tray |
| 19:48.38 | skilz | So I can just click it and type something in to search for |
| 19:49.03 | m3tti_ | isn't launchy or kupfer some kind of that |
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| 19:49.22 | abrotman | spotlight does a bit more than that .. |
| 19:50.25 | prot_ | Shadow_7: thank you. (: |
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| 19:52.05 | jhutchins | skilz: I have xfce on ubuntu and it does that. Might be a way to adapt it. |
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| 19:53.55 | skilz | I'm frankensteining my own WM/DM |
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| 19:59.37 | Shadow_7 | I just use CWM, it takes the wm out of the wm. So much more room with no task bar and no window decorations. |
| 19:59.54 | Shadow_7 | And a lot more pep on my dated / low end tech. |
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| 20:00.25 | xingu | throws a dated/ low end cinema 27" display at Shadow_7 |
| 20:00.31 | xingu | grins |
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| 20:03.46 | ompaul | xingu: I'll settle for a two year old 24inch |
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| 20:09.30 | TheWarden | Hello |
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| 20:10.53 | TheWarden | I'm trying to learn how to setup a cluster. I'll have two servers to put with a cluster. Now these servers are to host web services. How do I handle traffic coming from the outside world in to the correct node? I've read some say with a virtual IP but I'm not understanding how this would help. |
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| 20:11.49 | jhutchins | !tell TheWarden about cluster |
| 20:12.33 | jhutchins | TheWarden: I think that's pretty far beyond the scope of this irc channel. |
| 20:13.51 | TheWarden | jhutchins: thanks for the links. Oh okay, do you have a suggestion of an IRC channel to cover such a topic? |
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| 20:25.08 | toli | what's wrong with debian.rog? |
| 20:25.41 | toli | solved |
| 20:25.46 | toli | that was fast |
| 20:25.48 | towo` | nothing if you would type debian.org |
| 20:26.18 | Shadow_7 | heh. Is that a romanian TLD? |
| 20:26.57 | toli | :) Belgian |
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| 20:36.00 | jhutchins | TheWarden: I think it's the kind of topic that goes beyond IRC. There might be channels for specific solutions, you know how to search. |
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| 20:36.38 | TheWarden | jhutchins: I see okay. thanks. |
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| 20:39.08 | happytux | rozie: So should the server prevent incoming connections with blacklisted key or the client prevent a outgoing connection? Or both? |
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| 20:45.21 | jhutchins | happytux: Whatever function requires the blacklisted key should fail. |
| 20:45.44 | jhutchins | happytux: If it's authorization, that fails (and probably falls back to CHAP). |
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| 20:46.11 | jhutchins | happytux: If it's encryption, it probably fails back to unencrypted unless it's required. |
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| 21:01.46 | Shadow_7 | Where is the defaults for CFLAGS set and why would setting them, even one simple one break a configure? |
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| 21:06.39 | surial | I have a harddisk from a debian installation mounted on another system. How can I check which packages were explicitly apt-getted into it? |
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| 21:07.23 | surial | i.e. which dir do I check? there's /var/lib/apt/extended_states, which appears to list all deps auto-installed, but everything I remember explicitly apt-getting aren't in there. |
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| 21:07.50 | Nik05 | you mean which package have a manual state? |
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| 21:08.19 | frostschutz | you could always chroot and then use apt/whatever normally |
| 21:09.20 | surial | frostschutz: I'm sshing in, I really _REALLY_ don't wanna go there, because if I screw that up, I'm in for a very long drive. |
| 21:09.27 | surial | Nik05: yes. |
| 21:10.09 | surial | There's /var/lib/dpkg, but I don't know how to turn /var/lib/dpkg/status into what I want. I can't tell the difference between automatics and manuals there. |
| 21:10.23 | Nik05 | i dont think dpkg stores that |
| 21:10.28 | surial | okay. |
| 21:10.32 | byte | n8 |
| 21:10.43 | ochiottes | how would i check if rsyslog is up and running? there are no entries for the past 5 weeks at all |
| 21:10.50 | Nik05 | /var/lib/apt/extended_states |
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| 21:12.58 | Shadow_7 | ochiottes: ps and top? probably better ways... is it a read-only or full filesystem? |
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| 21:14.46 | ochiottes | Shadow_7: full FS. ps shows no (r)syslog |
| 21:14.51 | surial | Nik05: yes, looks like if it is in dpkg's installed list ANd it is NOT in extended_states, it was manually installed. |
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| 21:15.07 | surial | great. This is gonna take me like an hour to script into a list of manually installed pasckages. dang. |
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| 21:15.53 | Nik05 | surial could be that it is in extended_states, you cant be sure |
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| 21:16.26 | ochiottes | Shadow_7: rsyslog wasn't installed. i'm worried now |
| 21:16.28 | surial | Nik05: The rule seems to be that forced packages aren't added in there. If it was alrady in there (an auto-added dep is later manually apt-getted), then its Auto-whatsit is set to 0. |
| 21:16.58 | surial | Either way, the usual case is that I need to find the cross section of all installed packages (via dpkg's huge states file) and then subtract everything from apt's extended_states. Which is not easy. |
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| 21:17.20 | surial | nevermind. Not worth it. |
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| 21:17.29 | surial | I'll just add stuff that's missing on an as needed basis. |
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| 21:18.02 | Shadow_7 | surial: and dpkg --get-selections doesn't give you that list? |
| 21:18.18 | surial | Shadow_7: It's not for the current root disk, it's for another disk mounted on /mnt. |
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| 21:18.48 | Shadow_7 | surial: and you don't want a complete mirror install? i.e. dpkg --set-selections |
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| 21:20.22 | jhutchins | surial: apt stuff is logged to /var/log |
| 21:20.43 | dey | im having trouble with japanese fonts. They all show up as ???. Someone told me it might be locale related. But that strikes me as odd :/ |
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| 21:21.49 | Shadow_7 | dey: LANG and LC_TYPE type stuff is set? Or is this application specific? |
| 21:22.08 | dey | im talking terminal via ssh |
| 21:22.22 | dey | no lang and language are both not set |
| 21:22.30 | banjo | dey have u japanese fonts installed? |
| 21:22.31 | dey | the rest is set to POSIX |
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| 21:22.33 | dey | yes |
| 21:23.00 | dey | at least if all it takes is an apt-get install font..... |
| 21:23.38 | Shadow_7 | dey: implied fc-cache if you want things to show up in xlsfonts. Might not happen with apt? Or might? |
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| 21:24.25 | Shadow_7 | dey: a quick check would be to use xfontsel to select the font, assuming a gui option. |
| 21:24.39 | dey | no gui. all i have is ssh |
| 21:24.59 | Shadow_7 | dey: xlsfonts | grep -i "font" |
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| 21:25.20 | dey | unable to open display |
| 21:25.24 | Shadow_7 | dey: it could also be that the terms were stripped of the unicode stuff |
| 21:26.31 | Shadow_7 | dey: fc-cat | grep -i "font" |
| 21:27.09 | dey | wall of text |
| 21:27.10 | Shadow_7 | might be risky to do that one as in leaves the term in an odd state. Lots of potential non-8859 type chars. |
| 21:27.12 | dey | what am i looking for? |
| 21:27.33 | Shadow_7 | dey: probably one or two scrolls up... filename and posix fontname |
| 21:27.35 | rryoumaa | i have been getting keyboard or x freezing, weird ctimes on HUGE numbers of files including in the future, weird mtimes, inode changes, and more, so i want to fsck my root partition. having trouble booting into my alternate root partition so i can do the fsck. it seems something mounted my regular partition instead. how do i debug or fix this? |
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| 21:27.58 | Shadow_7 | dey: but if it got something then the search term matched something |
| 21:29.14 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: shutdown -Fr now will fsck before it's mounted rw. |
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| 21:30.21 | jaakkos | does fail2ban apache filter work for someone with Wheezy? |
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| 21:36.43 | rryoumaa | jhutchins: interesting. that's a great solution. i will do that. |
| 21:38.18 | rryoumaa | any ideas on how to get it so i can boot to my alternate partition? i tried changing the uuid for root in fstab to the alternate partition, but that had no effect. is grub hardcoding the original partition to be mounted somehow, or something like that? |
| 21:39.19 | jaakkos | ok it's here... https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=739945 |
| 21:39.40 | jaakkos | severity: minor even though apache protection in wheezy is entirely disabled... |
| 21:40.12 | dey | am i understanding it correctly that the POSIX font is the one that is exclusively used in the terminal? |
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| 21:45.36 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: No idea. What file did you change? |
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| 21:48.15 | rryoumaa | jhutchins: i created the partition with rsync. i have a grub menu entry to boot to it. but when i booted, the old partition was mounted and (brokenly) running. so i figured its fstab was wrong, being same as old. so i updated that to point to the new partition and rebooted. but the old partition /still/ got mounted. |
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| 21:56.30 | dey | i got the japanese fonts in the terminal wuhuu... sadly only as a super user T_T |
| 21:56.52 | dey | how can i make a dpkg-reconfigure console-setup working for all users? |
| 21:57.23 | dey | it needs super user rights to be executed, therefore i cant do it with my normal user account :( |
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| 22:01.26 | HeXiLeD | i am looking for mercurial (just mercurial to run qwebirc) but there are too many mercurial pages. http://dpaste.com/06MT7T8 . which one is it ? |
| 22:01.39 | Brigo | dey, the locales are seting per user, in the init session scrpits |
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| 22:01.54 | HeXiLeD | nevermind ... . just found it |
| 22:03.10 | dey | Brigo: i see. I just compared the user and root locale.. one is filled with US.UTF-8. The other with POSIX |
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| 22:05.06 | Otyugh | hey |
| 22:05.18 | Otyugh | is there a frontend to upload youtube's video ? |
| 22:05.29 | Brigo | dey, yes, you have to add to the .bashrc file (if you use bash) a line like: LC_ALL=" US.UTF-8" |
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| 22:06.01 | choosegoose | this is what makes people use Windows http://i.imgur.com/moaMvs9.png |
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| 22:07.19 | choosegoose | I want to do a thing on Debian. I Google that thing and wade through 2009 forum posts for a name of a software package that I can hopefully apt-get |
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| 22:08.52 | abrotman | notes that's a vague search |
| 22:08.53 | choosegoose | oh I remembered that Audacity is a thing. thanks, pre-existing knowledge |
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| 22:09.16 | ProfOak_ | Hey all, I'm having an annoying issue with gnome-keyring. When I do a command sometimes I get this: "WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to..." I'm not using gnome, but I installed debian with the gnme installer. I've read some solutions and they said to edit a file and add your wm in there, but adding "dwm" didn't work for me. Any idea? |
| 22:09.16 | ProfOak_ | Hey all, I'm having an annoying issue with gnome-keyring. When I do a command sometimes I get this: "WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to..." I'm not using gnome, but I installed debian with the gnme installer. I've read some solutions and they said to edit a file and add your wm in there, but adding "dwm" didn't work for me. Any idea? |
| 22:09.16 | ProfOak_ | disregard that second one... woops |
| 22:09.56 | dey | seriously... what is the equivalent to dpkg-reconfigure console-setup for a non root user |
| 22:10.16 | abrotman | to do what? |
| 22:10.25 | dey | setup a clean locale |
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| 22:10.40 | dey | at least the dpkg-reconfigure did a great job for the root account |
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| 22:14.02 | abrotman | dey: it will do it for all accounts |
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| 22:18.23 | dey | abrotman: no. it doesnt :/ my root locale looks fine. The user locale screams POSIX |
| 22:19.36 | dey | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/Ux1DyZFD |
| 22:21.23 | abrotman | dey: did the user logout/login after setting it? |
| 22:21.37 | dey | restarting a 2nd time atm |
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| 22:22.11 | dey | abrotman: didnt work. still 2 different ones |
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| 22:24.59 | dec4n | Hello everyone |
| 22:25.23 | abrotman | dey: what's in /etc/default/locale ? |
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| 22:25.54 | dey | abrotman: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 22:26.31 | dec4n | Can I download packages by running apt-get install <packages> and send them to another folder? |
| 22:26.37 | dec4n | please help |
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| 22:26.41 | dey | abrotman: its also the only one uncommented in /etc/locale.gen |
| 22:27.10 | abrotman | dey: what shell are you using? |
| 22:27.11 | Arch-Linux-Dabes | Why are you useing a distro that simulates ubuntu and other casual distros in everyway you should pretty much switch to a windows UI format because you suck that much. |
| 22:27.14 | abrotman | dec4n: no |
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| 22:27.44 | dey | abrotman: bash |
| 22:27.56 | abrotman | dey: can you source any files and have it change? |
| 22:28.04 | abrotman | dey: is this actually Debian, or something else? |
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| 22:28.39 | dey | abrotman: its debian yes. ALthough ARM, and precompiled for a beaglebone black |
| 22:28.50 | abrotman | shouldn't matter |
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| 22:29.31 | dec4n | abrotman, I mean download them in another partition but later make install in my local folder. So, I can't? |
| 22:29.36 | dey | abrotman: i think i changed the root locale via dpkg-reconfigure terminal-setup... in case it matters |
| 22:29.42 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dec4n about apt-zip |
| 22:29.48 | abrotman | dey: it really shouldn't |
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| 22:30.34 | banjo | 'gem install curses' i have to do as root. is there an debian package or have i to install this directly from the ruby site? |
| 22:31.04 | abrotman | banjo: there's a ruby-ncurses package .. does that help? |
| 22:31.18 | abrotman | judd: versions ruby-ncurses |
| 22:31.19 | judd | Package: ruby-ncurses on i386 -- wheezy: 1.3.1-2; jessie: 1.4.7+dfsg-1+b2; sid: 1.4.7+dfsg-1+b2 |
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| 22:33.17 | abrotman | dey: what if you, as your user, ssh back in? |
| 22:33.44 | dey | abrotman: i was forced to due to the restarts |
| 22:34.01 | dey | abrotman: root -> utf, user -> posix |
| 22:34.16 | banjo | abrotman: judd installed it but diakonos still doesnt want to start. its exactly this problem: https://github.com/Pistos/diakonos/issues/44 |
| 22:35.30 | abrotman | dey: still? |
| 22:35.33 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 22:35.39 | dey | abrotman: still |
| 22:35.48 | abrotman | banjo: my ruby knowledge is limited to cursing at Puppet :) |
| 22:36.02 | abrotman | banjo: IIRC< there's a #debian-ruby on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:36.15 | banjo | ok thanks:) |
| 22:36.16 | abrotman | dey: you tested as a new user? works fine? |
| 22:36.27 | dey | abrotman: not yet |
| 22:36.30 | dey | good idea |
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| 22:39.07 | dey | abrotman: new user = POSIX. no utf anywhere |
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| 22:40.19 | abrotman | dey: that's interesting .. and everything in /etc/ is stock? |
| 22:40.37 | dey | abrotman: absolutely. never touched or even updated anything so far |
| 22:40.39 | abrotman | or mostly so |
| 22:41.42 | dey | i dont understand how the locale isnt user based. What if, two people use the pc and require different locales :/ |
| 22:41.48 | abrotman | The only place I know where that might differ is /etc/profile |
| 22:41.59 | abrotman | dey: you could set it and export it in your own profile .. |
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| 22:45.07 | abrotman | dey: you're not going to try to export it |
| 22:45.07 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:45.34 | dey | abrotman: not today. wanted to got to sleep an hour ago T_T |
| 22:45.42 | dey | aaand its 1am again :P |
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| 22:47.52 | XYZAFFA1R | So I am trying to install compton. I went here: https://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/compton And I downloaded the amd64 deb. I get an error on the installer: Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6 (>= 2.15) |
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| 22:48.07 | XYZAFFA1R | So I ran apt-get install libc6 |
| 22:48.15 | XYZAFFA1R | And it was at the newest version |
| 22:48.59 | banjo | XYZAFFA1R: why not apt-get install compton? |
| 22:49.09 | XYZAFFA1R | banjo it didnt install anything |
| 22:49.23 | XYZAFFA1R | Unable to locate |
| 22:49.30 | XYZAFFA1R | So unless its in another repo |
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| 22:49.38 | XYZAFFA1R | Can't install it that way |
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| 22:51.55 | XYZAFFA1R | banjo, any other ideas? |
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| 22:53.22 | banjo | XYZAFFA1R: no sorry. on testing compton works fine |
| 22:53.46 | banjo | but i wonder why its not availeble with apt |
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| 22:55.09 | banjo | XYZAFFA1R: apt-get download compton didnt work too? |
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| 22:56.05 | XYZAFFA1R | banjo, let me try |
| 22:56.20 | XYZAFFA1R | unable to loacate |
| 22:56.24 | XYZAFFA1R | *locate |
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| 22:56.46 | XYZAFFA1R | banjo, so you could just download it and install it? |
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| 22:58.23 | banjo | XYZAFFA1R: yes. can do this and then: dpkg -i compton |
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| 23:00.36 | XYZAFFA1R | Run this? dpkg -i compton_0.1~beta2-1_amd64.deb |
| 23:00.38 | XYZAFFA1R | ? |
| 23:00.40 | banjo | XYZAFFA1R: are u running unstable? |
| 23:00.51 | XYZAFFA1R | banjo, unstable debian? |
| 23:00.56 | banjo | yea |
| 23:00.59 | XYZAFFA1R | no |
| 23:01.03 | banjo | :) |
| 23:01.07 | XYZAFFA1R | Should I be? |
| 23:01.09 | banjo | wheezy i think |
| 23:01.26 | XYZAFFA1R | Should I be running unstable? |
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| 23:01.36 | banjo | so in wheezy libc6 is 2.13 |
| 23:02.00 | banjo | Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6 (>= 2.15) |
| 23:02.06 | XYZAFFA1R | Ok |
| 23:02.18 | XYZAFFA1R | Does that mean I have to compile it myself? |
| 23:02.18 | banjo | now i read your first comment again:) |
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| 23:02.58 | XYZAFFA1R | banjo, so what am I supposed to do? |
| 23:04.01 | banjo | if you are experienced or want to explore then you can try to compile an older version of compton. but you can install xcompmgr instead |
| 23:05.02 | XYZAFFA1R | Eh, last time I used xcompmgr it had a lot of graphical errors |
| 23:05.18 | XYZAFFA1R | like leaving little broken boxes everywhere |
| 23:05.19 | banjo | heard of that. never tried it |
| 23:05.51 | banjo | unagi maybe. it has not so many features but maybe its enough |
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| 23:06.24 | XYZAFFA1R | Another problem I have with debian, and nothing else, is that when I plug in headphones, or external speakers my craptop speakers keep going |
| 23:06.33 | XYZAFFA1R | Nothing in alsa mixer to fix it |
| 23:06.37 | XYZAFFA1R | or pavucontrol |
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| 23:07.33 | abrotman | XYZAFFA1R: you can't mix versions of debina |
| 23:07.51 | banjo | hm are you using alsa or pulse? |
| 23:07.58 | XYZAFFA1R | banjo pulse |
| 23:08.05 | XYZAFFA1R | I think |
| 23:08.06 | XYZAFFA1R | Anyways |
| 23:08.15 | banjo | :) |
| 23:08.26 | banjo | dont know pulse |
| 23:08.49 | XYZAFFA1R | banjo, well Ill go play a sound and see if its pulse or alsa |
| 23:09.37 | banjo | you hear through speakers AND headphones? |
| 23:09.54 | XYZAFFA1R | Yes |
| 23:10.03 | banjo | ok wait |
| 23:10.54 | yule | XYZAFFA1R: what sound card do you have? (it should be in `lspci -v`) |
| 23:11.08 | banjo | look at alsamixer or pulsemixer option. you have master headphones front side etc |
| 23:11.16 | banjo | i think |
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| 23:13.17 | XYZAFFA1R | banjo http://sprunge.us/VPfC |
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| 23:16.30 | XYZAFFA1R | banjo, now all pulse is giving is dummy output :/ |
| 23:16.38 | XYZAFFA1R | banjo, let me log out and back in |
| 23:16.43 | XYZAFFA1R | Also I dont have that option |
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| 23:17.44 | yule | XYZAFFA1R: hm, so it's an Intel one. if all else tinkering fails, I'd consider trying a backported kernel image (http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/) |
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| 23:17.59 | XYZAFFA1R | OK, Im back |
| 23:18.01 | XYZAFFA1R | banjo |
| 23:18.07 | XYZAFFA1R | I have output again |
| 23:18.44 | XYZAFFA1R | Any ways, on other other distros I can change the "port" in pavucontrol, but in debian the only port I have is analog output |
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| 23:20.53 | banjo | XYZAFFA1R: sorry i cant help with this. have you searched wiki or forums for this? |
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| 23:21.25 | yule | [11:17] <yule> XYZAFFA1R: hm, so it's an Intel one. if all else tinkering fails, I'd consider trying a backported kernel image (http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/) |
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| 23:22.37 | XYZAFFA1R | banjo, yeah, thank you |
| 23:22.37 | XYZAFFA1R | yule, Whats a backport kernel image? |
| 23:24.22 | XYZAFFA1R | Hello? |
| 23:24.46 | XYZAFFA1R | I think I lost connection for a little bit |
| 23:24.51 | Brigo | !tell XYZAFFA1R about backports |
| 23:25.04 | banjo | https://wiki.debian.org/en/PulseAudio#Front_Panel_Jacks_not_working is this the problem? dont know if i understand the description right |
| 23:25.12 | XYZAFFA1R | yule, The requested URL /Instructions/) was not found on this server. |
| 23:25.39 | jmcnaught | XYZAFFA1R: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ works for me |
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| 23:26.33 | XYZAFFA1R | banjo, I think so |
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| 23:29.47 | XYZAFFA1R | banjo, Just realised I followed instructions for the wrong problem |
| 23:30.08 | XYZAFFA1R | I hope my sound still sounds fine, because I have no idea what the settings were before what I just did :) |
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| 23:50.39 | XYZAFFA1R | I'm back |
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| 23:50.51 | XYZAFFA1R | So, what do I do about my sound issue? |
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| 23:53.49 | XYZAFFA1R | Maybe if I update the kernel it will work, that has helped sound issues in the past |
| 23:54.07 | XYZAFFA1R | And debian stable uses 3.2 so... |
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| 23:54.43 | abrotman | so use backports like someone said ages ago |
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| 23:55.14 | XYZAFFA1R | abrotman, I don't know what those are, and when I opened the link the page was broken |
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| 23:58.28 | XYZAFFA1R | abrotman, well, I will use backports I guess, I found the page |
| 23:58.35 | XYZAFFA1R | thanks every one who helped me |
| 23:58.36 | abrotman | dpkg: tell XYZAFFA1R about wheezy backports |
| 23:59.14 | XYZAFFA1R | abrotman, I figure it out, thanks |
| 23:59.25 | abrotman | okay |
