| 00:00.07 | shay_shay | Yes |
| 00:00.43 | shay_shay | Same way you normally update it, with dist-upgrade |
| 00:00.59 | mhoney | you have to change the apt sources |
| 00:01.06 | mhoney | to go from say wheezy to jessie |
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| 00:02.23 | shay_shay | He didn't even ask how. That's why I kept it brief |
| 00:03.30 | DHowett | but you know that when people say "can xxx", they really mean "how do i xxx" |
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| 00:05.01 | shay_shay | Yeah I know. But sometimes it's nice to take what people say at face value |
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| 00:08.10 | raspberrypifan | well i wanted to know how |
| 00:08.17 | raspberrypifan | but im running ubuntu but i figured its a similar process |
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| 00:11.30 | shay_shay | blinks |
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| 00:12.49 | shay_shay | raspberrypifan: try #ubuntu |
| 00:13.05 | raspberrypifan | i am but i am asking another question and i didnt wanna bug them with two questions at a time |
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| 00:13.49 | mhoney | how do I get rid of the 1mb partition windows creates for uefi? |
| 00:14.22 | Shadow_7 | raspberrypifan: I run debian on my pi. Tis where I'm irc'ing from. |
| 00:14.23 | Mittens2001 | sorry about all the name changes, was adding alts to my nickserv group |
| 00:14.59 | raspberrypifan | i am doing voip wit hte pi |
| 00:15.15 | Shadow_7 | raspberrypifan: a few gotcha's. armel which is optimized for armv4. So fbturbo, dispmanx, and kernel stuff you'll likely want to compile from source. |
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| 00:16.36 | DHowett | mhoney: you should probably not do that -- especially if you're doing UEFI boot ;P |
| 00:16.41 | Shadow_7 | raspberrypifan: the advantage over raspbian is video codecs are not cripled, and glxgears does something, only 11 fps, but better than doesn't exist |
| 00:16.51 | mhoney | DHowett, im not |
| 00:16.57 | mhoney | all legacy here |
| 00:17.05 | mhoney | reusing a windows drive |
| 00:17.07 | DHowett | aw |
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| 00:17.42 | raspberrypifan | eh doesnt matter to me |
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| 00:19.59 | Shadow_7 | raspberrypifan: but I have my pi to offload tasks from my desktop. Like povray animations, video encoding, and other things that takes days and months anyway. Plus living in Texas having the desktop off in the afternoon helps keep the living space cool. |
| 00:20.11 | piroko | So at some point after an upgrade, my install of chromium lost the flash plugin. It doesn't show up in about://plugins even though it's installed |
| 00:20.16 | raspberrypifan | Shadow_7: ive been thru texas |
| 00:21.29 | piroko | update-flashplugin-nonfree says that upstream version 11.2.202.394 is already installed |
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| 00:21.36 | piroko | I'm stumped |
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| 00:22.19 | jmcnaught | piroko: it's because Chromium no longer supports the NPAPI (traditional plugin interface). There's a pepperflashplugin-nonfree package in wheezy-backports you can use |
| 00:22.33 | piroko | Oh snap |
| 00:22.34 | jmcnaught | !tell piroko about pepper flash |
| 00:22.39 | piroko | I got it :) |
| 00:22.48 | piroko | Thank you! |
| 00:23.06 | jmcnaught | piroko: No problem. Or just use Iceweasel :) |
| 00:23.48 | piroko | Hooray! It works! |
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| 00:28.08 | rue_mohr2 | are any of wheezy or sid stable or unstable? |
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| 00:29.10 | rue_mohr2 | debhelper, tell rue_mohr2 about versions |
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| 00:29.27 | avshalom | rue_mohr2: wheezy is stable and sid is unstable. |
| 00:29.32 | rue_mohr2 | thanks |
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| 00:32.16 | Mittens2002 | Alright, Brigo, what was it that you wanted me to do again? |
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| 00:34.06 | Mittens2002 | I've just went into the terminal mode from ctrl alt F1 |
| 00:34.38 | Brigo | i do not remember :) |
| 00:34.54 | Brigo | ah, yes, restart gdm3 with service gdm3 restart |
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| 00:35.45 | Mittens2002 | "-bash: service: command not found" |
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| 00:37.15 | Mittens2002 | Brigo |
| 00:37.31 | fifty-five-nine | sudo service --status-all | grep gdm |
| 00:37.49 | fifty-five-nine | that should give you some idea of what to restart |
| 00:38.08 | Mittens2002 | fifty-five-nine: Still the same error |
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| 00:38.42 | fifty-five-nine | a reboot will always restart it too. |
| 00:39.03 | mhoney | does it matter if you run grub-install before or after rebooting when setting up software raid 1? |
| 00:39.19 | Brigo | Mittens2002, dont you have /usr/sbin/service ? |
| 00:39.22 | Brigo | are you root? |
| 00:40.38 | Mittens2002 | Brigo: Ah, I wasn't root |
| 00:40.49 | fifty-five-nine | You can try this to find a running process for gdm....ps ax | grep gdm |
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| 00:41.57 | Mittens2002 | Brigo: Alright, the screen just went blank again for both f1 and f7 this time |
| 00:42.57 | Brigo | is there output in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 00:43.23 | Mittens2002 | I don't know, should I reboot to check? |
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| 00:43.45 | Brigo | no |
| 00:44.03 | Brigo | cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log and tell me if there is something |
| 00:44.12 | Mittens2002 | Then how would I? The monitor just shut off |
| 00:44.27 | Brigo | and alf+f2? |
| 00:44.30 | Brigo | and alt+f2? |
| 00:44.45 | Mittens2002 | Alt f2 is blank too |
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| 00:45.12 | Brigo | that is bad. reboot, then. I think the driver is broken ... |
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| 00:48.26 | Mittens2002 | Alright, I rebooted Brigo |
| 00:49.03 | Mittens2002 | I also did the command you said, what should I look for? |
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| 00:52.29 | Brigo | the cat? |
| 00:54.05 | Mittens2002 | Yes Brigo |
| 00:55.35 | Brigo | and get some lines? |
| 00:55.53 | Mittens2002 | Yes, it seemed to be exactly what it was in the .old |
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| 00:57.02 | Brigo | great, so become root and install pastebinit with: apt-get install pastebinit |
| 00:57.50 | Brigo | and then use it to paste the output of this command: pastebinit -b paste.debian.net -i /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 00:58.48 | lmat | I'm trying to install https://packages.qa.debian.org/0/0ad.html |
| 00:58.58 | lmat | I specifically want the "testing" one (0.0.16-4) |
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| 00:59.51 | Mittens2002 | Brigo: http://paste.debian.net/108815 |
| 01:00.01 | jmcnaught | lmat: are you using Wheezy or Jessie? |
| 01:00.04 | lmat | When I just apt-get install it, I get the 0~r |
| 01:00.06 | lmat | jmcnaught: wheezy |
| 01:00.35 | jmcnaught | lmat: it looks like the version that's in Jessie is available in wheezy-backports. I hope you haven't tried mixing Wheezy and Jessie repos |
| 01:00.38 | TheReverend403 | Anybody fancy helping with this? http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2a741t/help_with_broken_libc6_debian/ |
| 01:00.53 | Brigo | Mittens2002, you can see the erro by yourself, at the end of the paste, especifically line 98 |
| 01:01.07 | lmat | jmcnaught: Haven't done anything, promise!! :D |
| 01:01.22 | jmcnaught | !tell lmat about wheezy backports |
| 01:01.35 | lmat | jmcnaught: thanks |
| 01:01.49 | lmat | seems like I've done backports before... |
| 01:01.53 | lmat | Oh, I guess that was on ubuntu. |
| 01:01.56 | jmcnaught | lmat: also http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ is more informative |
| 01:01.57 | Mittens2002 | Brigo: No devices found, so what do I do? I just checked and everything is plugged in properly on my 770 |
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| 01:02.04 | fifty-five-nine | you change all repo, except the crunchbang repos to jessie. |
| 01:02.14 | fifty-five-nine | Leave the cb repo's alone though... |
| 01:02.28 | shay_shay | Not a good idea |
| 01:02.32 | fifty-five-nine | I did that and I upgraded without issue. |
| 01:02.33 | lmat | jmcnaught: Oh, it's case sensitive... :) |
| 01:03.02 | lmat | jmcnaught: I need "wheezy-backports" ? Or since I'm looking for a Jessie package, do I need "Jessie-backports" or something/ |
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| 01:03.14 | Brigo | Mittens2002, may be it is the wrong driver, so let's return to the star and paste the 8 numbers between [] win lscpi -nn command |
| 01:03.16 | lmat | jmcnaught: Oh, I got the message from dpkg |
| 01:03.23 | Brigo | s/win/with |
| 01:03.24 | jmcnaught | lmat: generally you don't install jessie packages into wheezy. that's what backports is for |
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| 01:03.48 | jmcnaught | fifty-five-nine: this isn't the crunchbang channel... |
| 01:03.58 | Brigo | or paste the full output if you prefer: lspci -nn| pastebininit -b paste.debian.net |
| 01:04.40 | fifty-five-nine | Yeah, sorry about that. |
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| 01:05.11 | lmat | jmcnaught: Right :) How do I tell what repo (I think that's the right word) this is in? (main, contrib, extras, whatever?) |
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| 01:06.10 | Mittens2002 | Brigo: http://paste.debian.net/108816 |
| 01:06.40 | jmcnaught | lmat: you could search for 0ad on https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 01:06.57 | lmat | Also, after adding a backports, how do I choose whether it will get the package from backports or the normal main? |
| 01:07.08 | Brigo | Mittens2002, you have two graphics cards ... |
| 01:07.40 | Mittens2002 | Brigo: Yes, an integrated intel card and one nvidia card |
| 01:07.54 | jmcnaught | lmat: it says how to install packages from wheezy-backports on the instructions link i sent you above |
| 01:07.56 | lmat | oh jee.... sorry |
| 01:08.00 | lmat | yeah, just saw that, so sorry. |
| 01:08.06 | jmcnaught | no worries |
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| 01:09.26 | Brigo | for your nvidia card (GeForce GTX 770) the driver you need is nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver |
| 01:09.34 | Brigo | not nvidia-driver |
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| 01:11.52 | crunchbang | I had to chroot into #! from live session |
| 01:12.13 | crunchbang | and i am trying to exit chroot |
| 01:12.27 | jmcnaught | crunchbang: wrong channel? |
| 01:12.33 | crunchbang | from what im reading control-D is to exit right ? |
| 01:13.07 | crunchbang | I know but its still debian, thought somone should know because im not getting response from crunchbang channel |
| 01:13.23 | crunchbang | crunchbang is debian |
| 01:13.31 | jmcnaught | !tell crunchbang -about crunchbang |
| 01:13.37 | jmcnaught | !tell crunchbang -about based on |
| 01:14.23 | Mittens2002 | Brigo: Even on debian sid? |
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| 01:14.43 | crunchbang | well, how come i am running debian jessie on crunch ? |
| 01:14.45 | Brigo | no, in debian sid. In wheezy may be not. |
| 01:15.11 | Mittens2002 | What? |
| 01:15.21 | Brigo | Mittens2002, apt-cache show nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver and see for yourself |
| 01:15.44 | crunchbang | im just curious. |
| 01:16.28 | jmcnaught | crunchbang: there are a lot of debian derivatives, but only Debian is supported here. You can use Debian if you want to get support here, or wait for someone to help you in #crunchbang |
| 01:17.07 | nurupo | jmcnaught beat me to it :) |
| 01:18.51 | crunchbang | Thank you for the information |
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| 01:19.09 | crunchbang | I feel sad that #debian has no love for a crunchy |
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| 01:25.08 | Mittens2002 | Brigo: Would it be a good idea to download the nvidia drivers from nvidias website? |
| 01:25.29 | jmcnaught | Mittens2002: no, always use the packages |
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| 01:26.53 | Brigo | Mittens2002, you only have to install de legacy envidia driver and uninstall the nvidia-driver. |
| 01:28.02 | Brigo | the driver split new/legacy is not from debian but nvidia. So the nvidia driver from its web will have the same behaviour. |
| 01:28.35 | Brigo | Mittens2002, and other important point: do not use sid, use wheezy aka stable. |
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| 01:30.11 | jmcnaught | i don't think GTX 770 is a legacy card.. there was someone here the other day with that card... the nvidia-detect was saying to use the legacy driver, but it actually requires the newer nvidia-driver from wheezy-backports |
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| 01:32.38 | jmcnaught | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-319.23-driver <--- this shows in release notes that GTX 770 support is added. This is the version of nvidia-driver that's in wheezy-backports |
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| 01:33.02 | Brigo | jmcnaught, that is true in wheezy, but not in sid |
| 01:33.26 | Brigo | the new nvidia drive move some cards from new to legacy |
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| 01:34.41 | jmcnaught | yeah but i still don't think legacy is the right driver for GTX 770 in sid either |
| 01:35.21 | jmcnaught | that card was only released last year |
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| 01:36.54 | avshalom | hi all, question about `testing' have the versions of jessie been set in stone? e.g. i would be interested to know if Emacs 24.4 would be included in jessie (currently pretest), and also postgresql 9.4.0 (currently beta1) |
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| 01:37.44 | rryoumaa | if you have two identical mouses, is it possible to flip the left and right buttons on one of them? |
| 01:37.45 | Brigo | jmcnaught, i think it is listed in the package description. |
| 01:38.17 | Brigo | avshalom, may be |
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| 01:38.43 | Brigo | avshalom, new versions can get into jessie still it get frozen. |
| 01:38.59 | avshalom | Brigo: oh, so jessie is not frozen yet? |
| 01:39.09 | Brigo | no, at all |
| 01:39.26 | avshalom | Brigo: excellent, thanks for the info |
| 01:39.45 | Brigo | i heard something about november, but nothing sure. |
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| 01:40.18 | avshalom | i sort of doubt that postgresl 9.4.0 would go in.... seems too new |
| 01:40.23 | Brigo | avshalom, yw :) |
| 01:40.56 | jmcnaught | Brigo: nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver lists a 7700, but not the 770 |
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| 01:43.44 | Brigo | jmcnaught, wee, i am not sure, and this line? GeForce Go 7600 GT [G73M], GeForce Go 7700 [G73M], GeForce Go 7800 [G70M], |
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| 01:44.19 | m_billybob | Those are ancient |
| 01:44.28 | jmcnaught | Brigo: 7700 != 770 |
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| 01:45.36 | m_billybob | To put it into perspective, and have an opteron 1210 system that has a 7600GT in it . . . |
| 01:45.51 | m_billybob | I have an* |
| 01:46.37 | Brigo | jmcnaught, i am looking in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-driver/README.txt.gz, i find nothing .. |
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| 01:47.43 | Brigo | ok, i found it, it is supported, then. :-/ |
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| 01:48.23 | jmcnaught | well that Mittens person seems to be gone, but they need nvidia-driver from wheezy-backports if they're smart, or from unstable if they want to keep rolling with that |
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| 01:48.42 | Brigo | jmcnaught, he is using sid. |
| 01:49.38 | nurupo | when jessie gets frozed, does it detach from testing and testing still gets updates? |
| 01:49.39 | Brigo | and the driver did not detected his card, may be because he has two and he have to tell where the card is ... |
| 01:49.56 | Brigo | nurupo, yes |
| 01:50.35 | Brigo | nurupo, but everybody will be working on the frozen side, so testing will get few updates,really |
| 01:50.36 | jmcnaught | newbies using sid.. sounds legit |
| 01:50.56 | Brigo | jmcnaught, yes :/ |
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| 01:52.05 | Brigo | i go to sleep, bye :) |
| 01:54.04 | nurupo | btw, i sent a bugreport for hunspell-de-de a week or even two ago and there is still no reply from the maintainer. is that how it's usually is? |
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| 01:56.02 | nurupo | actually, just 6 days ago |
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| 01:56.43 | nurupo | i guess i will give him some more time :) |
| 01:56.52 | Mittens2002 | Brigo: Why use stable? What if I want to keep my packages up to date? Should I just use fedora instead then? |
| 01:58.31 | jmcnaught | Mittens2002: the point of unstable/testing isn't to get the latest packages.. they're for development and testing of the next Debian release. Stable is what's recommended for most users, especially if learning Debian. The packages in Stable are well tested and bugfixed. Newer isn't always better |
| 01:58.38 | nurupo | stable is pretty up-to date for regular use, not development one |
| 01:59.04 | nurupo | for example, chromium is almost the same as in testing/unstable, same for vlc |
| 01:59.22 | nurupo | and it gets security patches faster than testing/unstable |
| 01:59.27 | jmcnaught | also there's wheezy-backports |
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| 02:00.07 | jmcnaught | to me, using testing/unstable as a regular user (not a developer) basically misses the whole point of Debian |
| 02:00.30 | m_billybob | agrees |
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| 02:01.44 | jmcnaught | well there are other points too, like software freedom and the social contract. But Debian gets its reputation for quality and stability because of the release process |
| 02:02.00 | m_billybob | Production system running testing / unstable mmmmmm lots of fun ;) |
| 02:02.38 | ProfOak_ | Speaking of which... I'm using stable but I want to have more up-to-date packages. Can I just add the testing repos and run an update? |
| 02:02.49 | dvs | ProfOak_: nope |
| 02:03.05 | dvs | ProfOak_: Thats what wheezy-backports are for. |
| 02:03.21 | jmcnaught | ProfOak_: use http://backports.debian.org/ instead |
| 02:03.39 | ProfOak_ | beautiful, thanks! |
| 02:03.58 | Cueball | Can anyone recommend a php portal which I can use as a home page which can be updated quickly and possibly auto order clicked links to top based on frequency (chrome style?) |
| 02:05.01 | Cueball | Woops just realised I was in the wrong chan. Sorry guys. |
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| 02:07.48 | nurupo | jmcnaught: am i doing it right if i use testing because i want some more bleeding edge things for development, which are not in backports (qt5, git2, gcc4.9, etc) and i'm fine with something breaking a little and sending bugreports? |
| 02:09.18 | jmcnaught | nurupo: sounds good to be, but i'm no expert :) Lots of people use testing on their desktops, but it helps if you know how to fix problems yourself. And since you're contributing bug reports, well that's exactly what testing is supposed to be for :) |
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| 02:16.34 | agath_ | hello... I am running debian 6.06 in vm and I just installed nodejs... I want to install a nodejs app, but I don't don't know where to put it... I am a newbie |
| 02:17.16 | m_billybob | agath_, define "app" |
| 02:17.40 | agath_ | is it important where a nodejs app is installed? |
| 02:17.45 | agath_ | ok |
| 02:17.51 | agath_ | infranodus |
| 02:17.57 | agath_ | on github |
| 02:18.19 | agath_ | I compiled nodejs and it installed successfully |
| 02:18.41 | m_billybob | Not familiar with it, but the README.MD file should have all necessary instructions. if not included you could probably create any old directory and git pull to that |
| 02:19.05 | agath_ | I know I need to install neo4j, but besides that, I am curious where in relation to the nodejs directory, I should put it |
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| 02:19.27 | agath_ | ok |
| 02:19.55 | agath_ | thank you |
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| 02:25.41 | jmcnaught | agath_: Wheezy might be a better choice if you're just setting this server up. Regular security updates have finished for Squeeze. There is an LTS program that is providing limited updates though. Also wheezy-backports has nodejs packaged, which is probably easier to maintain than something you've compiled. |
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| 02:26.47 | m_billybob | From my own experience for Debian ( wheezy ) is best to build jode.js from source. |
| 02:27.06 | m_billybob | but I'm also running Debian on ARM |
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| 02:27.57 | m_billybob | err lol Node.js* |
| 02:28.03 | cross__ | Hi there, I am looking for a guru who might help me with a lvm partition suspended, ioctl failure |
| 02:28.56 | m_billybob | agath_, dahm those instructions seem fairly complex for a node app lol |
| 02:29.01 | nurupo | *Guru Meditation* |
| 02:30.02 | m_billybob | agath_, also since you mentioned being a newb . . .dont run node apps as root . . . |
| 02:31.17 | jmcnaught | cross__: Here it's best to ask a question with as much detail as you can, and if someone can help they will. |
| 02:31.52 | cross__ | jmcnaught: ok, thanks |
| 02:32.23 | cross__ | dmseg return : device-mapper sda5 is too small for target |
| 02:32.45 | cross__ | i can't reactivate a lvm partition after a resize |
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| 02:33.17 | jmcnaught | cross__: did you resize the filesystem on the LV before shrinking the LV? |
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| 02:33.50 | designs | how can I update from debian stable, to debian testing?] |
| 02:33.58 | asarch | What is the name of the package for the GNU Assembler? |
| 02:34.31 | m_billybob | apt-cache search assmbler |
| 02:34.33 | cross__ | jmcnaught: it seems that unfortunately no |
| 02:35.30 | somiaj | designs: you change your sources.list, but I would rethink why you awnt to upgrade to testing, testing can and will break |
| 02:35.39 | asarch | D'oh! I was doing: aptitude search assembler |
| 02:35.44 | asarch | Thank you m_billybob |
| 02:35.48 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
| 02:35.51 | m_billybob | welcome |
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| 02:36.18 | cross__ | jmcnaught: that is why lvm is returning this error, but I would like to restore the previous state or increase the size to make lvm able to reactive it |
| 02:36.20 | jmcnaught | designs: if you don't know how to find out, are you sure you're ready for testing? https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_life_with_eternal_upgrades |
| 02:36.54 | designs | well how bad can testing be? |
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| 02:37.27 | m_billybob | designs, how badly do you need a stable / reliable system ? |
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| 02:37.58 | designs | its a home pc, not a sever or anything like that. |
| 02:38.01 | cross__ | is there a way to increase my lvm partition /dev/sda5 to let lvm activate the partition |
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| 02:38.39 | designs | I would like to update my gnome desktop because stable is at .3.4 and thats really old. |
| 02:39.09 | designs | I herd of backports but understand that its not offically supported by debian. |
| 02:39.22 | m_billybob | and testign is ? |
| 02:40.02 | m_billybob | either way backports is most likely the way to go |
| 02:40.03 | dvs | testing is the worst of the three options when it comes to support |
| 02:40.26 | designs | m_billybob, what do you mean> |
| 02:40.39 | jmcnaught | cross__: hmmm... /dev/sda5 sounds more like a Phyical Volume than a Logical Volume. I think I misunderstood at first maybe. I would consider cloning the entire disk before doing anything else. Then try to reverse the shrinking of /dev/sda5 |
| 02:41.23 | m_billybob | designs, as in testing is meant for testing / development, backports is meant for the exact situation you're describing |
| 02:41.42 | m_billybob | "updated software / packages " |
| 02:41.50 | designs | okay then, how can I upgrade my gnome 3 desktop using backports? |
| 02:42.27 | jmcnaught | designs: what's wrong with gnome 3.4? |
| 02:43.19 | cross__ | jmcnaught: indeed but there is /dev/sda2 as extended and /dev/sda5 flagged as lvm type |
| 02:43.22 | dvs | It's GNOME! |
| 02:43.25 | dvs | runs away |
| 02:43.33 | designs | its old, the newer versions of gnome 3 offer some slight improvements in both UI and backend |
| 02:43.47 | designs | dvs, your an xfce user? |
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| 02:44.07 | dvs | KDE |
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| 02:44.52 | designs | jmcnaught are you using gnome 3 as well? |
| 02:45.35 | jmcnaught | cross__: so it sounds like your /dev/sda5 is one of (or the only) Physical Volumes (PV) in your Volume Group (VG). Shrinking that was a bad idea. Try to clone the entire disk, or at least save what you can. Then I would put /dev/sda5 back to exactly the size it was before. When using LVM, it's the logical volumes (LV) that you want to resize, not the PV |
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| 02:46.11 | jmcnaught | designs: yeah i'm using Gnome 3.4 on Wheezy. I like it a lot actually. I also like how when I do updates, I don't get surprised with new bugs or software that works differently than yesterday. |
| 02:46.44 | jmcnaught | designs: using the same version of a desktop environment for a couple of years is no big deal, and not really any different from any other major OS |
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| 02:48.05 | m_billybob | designs, seem you may have a point. |
| 02:48.10 | m_billybob | seems* |
| 02:48.11 | designs | jmcnaught, you run debian as a home pc? |
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| 02:48.32 | cross__ | jmcnaught: I agree, what you want to use to resize /dev/sda5? (pvresize?) Is there a way to know what was the original size? |
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| 02:49.38 | jmcnaught | cross__: well i'm not completely sure on what you've done to get to this point. I strong suggest making a backup before trying to fix it though. I don't know of a way to know the original size, except for checking your notes ;) |
| 02:50.09 | jmcnaught | designs: yes, Wheezy with Gnome on my laptop, my desktop. My girlfriend uses it on her laptop too. |
| 02:50.09 | designs | m_billybob, you mean about my reason for updating my gnome desktop? |
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| 02:50.47 | m_billybob | abotu wanting to move to testing although I dont really know what version testing uses. I run CLI only on all my own systems |
| 02:51.02 | m_billybob | Debian systems that is |
| 02:52.18 | jmcnaught | Debian Stable makes a fine desktop computer |
| 02:53.04 | designs | jmcnaught, have you tried any other linux distros? |
| 02:53.17 | xormor | I use Debian Stable on a laptop. |
| 02:53.31 | jmcnaught | designs: certainly, and Debian is the best one I've found |
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| 02:54.31 | cross__ | jmcnaught: do have any suggestions how to resize /dev/sda5? |
| 02:54.31 | m_billybob | I use Debian on embedded hardware ( ARM ) :) |
| 02:54.37 | designs | only ask because I have used many, and, i like debian except for the fact that I feel that Im stuck in the past. But I guess thats the point about being stable in the first place. |
| 02:55.09 | m_billybob | designs, yeah thats pretty much point. "proven" |
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| 02:55.35 | somiaj | designs: what do you need that isn't in debian stable. Then figure out how to backport it. I think many would find everything they need is there. |
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| 02:56.25 | somiaj | and building things on debian works in lots of cases, just have to get some basics down to keep manage local isntalls. |
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| 02:58.02 | cross__ | jmcnaught: after pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize, pvscan return the right size but parted say that /dev/sda5 is still the old size |
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| 02:58.48 | meek_geek | fastest image viewer the default seems to be very slow on my laptop whereas its decent in xubuntu |
| 02:58.52 | meek_geek | ? |
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| 02:59.33 | some-cowbell | the toolchain is well maintained, and the same toolchain that you would install and use is what's used to build all the packages you use... so you could say it's well tested as well |
| 02:59.40 | designs | backporting my entire desktop enviorment to update it to a newer version on a distro thats ment to be stable. It sounds like something bad idea, but its worth a shot. |
| 02:59.52 | jmcnaught | cross__: is pvresize how you shrunk the PV in the first place? What does fdisk say? |
| 03:00.41 | jmcnaught | designs: backporting all of Gnome probably is a bad idea. Why not just be happy with Gnome 3.4? come on.. drink the kool-aid! |
| 03:00.44 | some-cowbell | designs, is there something specific you need to be a specific version? |
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| 03:00.54 | cross__ | jmcnaught: it seems that frisk say the same as parted |
| 03:01.03 | cross__ | *fdisk |
| 03:01.49 | some-cowbell | cross__: is there anything in that pv? |
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| 03:02.02 | jmcnaught | cross__: sorry not sure what to recommend. I don't think that pvresize would have let you shrink the PV in a way that damaged it.. or did you originally shrink it with parted? |
| 03:02.09 | cross__ | some-cowbell: yes on 155G - 86G free |
| 03:02.28 | cross__ | no only read only with parted |
| 03:02.56 | cross__ | i think i just need to extend /dev/sda5 to align with my PV |
| 03:03.03 | some-cowbell | ok, then... if you try to resize the physical partition, you're going to need to be very careful to not size it smaller than the pv that's in it |
| 03:03.05 | designs | to be honest, no there isnt anything i NEED from the newer version of gnome. I just saw a video online and realized how old my version of gnome 3 really is. |
| 03:03.22 | cross__ | but no idea how to do it |
| 03:03.47 | cross__ | some-cowbell: with frisk, parted? |
| 03:03.51 | cross__ | *fdisk |
| 03:03.52 | designs | I think version 3.12 is comming out already! |
| 03:04.03 | jmcnaught | designs: to me Gnome (or any other DE/WM) is just a tool to let me use other tools. It's the other tools that I use the computer, not the Gnome experience |
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| 03:04.22 | some-cowbell | well first you need to get pvdisplay to show the exact sector size of the pv |
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| 03:05.37 | cross__ | some-cowbell: is it TOTAL PE? |
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| 03:07.58 | some-cowbell | I would guess that when you multiply the total PE by the PE size you would get very close to the PV size, but I think there's also some overhead you'd have to take into account |
| 03:08.12 | designs | jmcnaught well stated, dont take this the wrong way or anything, But why do use Linux exactly or you a systems admin? |
| 03:08.25 | cross__ | some-cowbell: I can make it bigger? |
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| 03:08.43 | some-cowbell | one sec |
| 03:08.58 | some-cowbell | I'm looking at man pvdisplay |
| 03:09.04 | some-cowbell | you should too :) |
| 03:09.08 | jmcnaught | designs: probably a topic for #debian-offtopic, but i'm actually about to watch a video.. maybe later? |
| 03:09.13 | cross__ | some-cowbell: yes size is PE Size * Total PE |
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| 03:10.12 | designs | yea sure. |
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| 03:10.22 | cross__ | some-cowbell: but my PV size seems to be ok with pvscan (/dev/sda5 155G) but with parted it returns only 70G |
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| 03:11.14 | cross__ | so it seems to be fine for LVM but when it tries to enable it, the layer above return "ioctl error I am too small" |
| 03:11.25 | some-cowbell | that could be bad... your pv size is much larger than the partition size (are you sure that's true?) |
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| 03:13.03 | some-cowbell | you should try making the partition the original size it was |
| 03:13.40 | shay_shay | Designs because Linux is fun! |
| 03:13.50 | cross__ | some-cowbell: how? which tool do you recommend? |
| 03:14.01 | some-cowbell | if I'm understanding you correctly, you resized the partition to be smaller than the total pv size |
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| 03:14.35 | some-cowbell | either fdisk or parted or gparted |
| 03:15.28 | cross__ | I am wondering if resize2fs have not detected a wrong size for an unknown reason, cannot find out anyway, ok so with fdisk I try to allocate the maximum of space |
| 03:15.28 | some-cowbell | resize2fs is not for PVs |
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| 03:16.50 | m_billybob | fdisk does non destructive resizes ? |
| 03:17.00 | some-cowbell | well at least the 155 gb it originally was |
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| 03:18.02 | some-cowbell | m_billybob: until you write the partitions, yes... I'm hoping he didn't do anything to the upper sectors |
| 03:18.23 | innmalint | does anyone else run virt-manager? if so, does it always need to be started with 'sudo'? |
| 03:18.46 | some-cowbell | as far as I know it just touches the partition table... for example it does not format the partitions |
| 03:19.00 | cross__ | I try to resize2fs /dev/sda5 to 155G, device busy - can't find valid filesystem superblock , should I disable the PV first? what do you think about that? |
| 03:19.30 | m_billybob | ... |
| 03:20.01 | some-cowbell | (once more) resize2fs is NOT for pvs, and it's also not for resizing partitions (the containers for filesystems) |
| 03:20.28 | some-cowbell | use fdisk or parted for resizing partitions |
| 03:21.03 | cross__ | but /dev/sda5 is flagged as lvm, I misunderstood something for sure |
| 03:21.21 | m_billybob | rips open a bag of tropical trail mix and kicks back |
| 03:21.40 | some-cowbell | right, that's because it's an LVM Physical Volume |
| 03:21.53 | cross__ | some-cowbell: ok got it |
| 03:22.10 | some-cowbell | at this point I want to recommend that you back up your data as soon as possible |
| 03:22.49 | cross__ | but resize with parted said "could not detect filesystem" |
| 03:23.10 | some-cowbell | hmm. then try with fdisk |
| 03:23.22 | some-cowbell | but be -careful- :) |
| 03:23.33 | some-cowbell | I still say: back up first |
| 03:23.44 | m_billybob | cross_ how did you get into this predicement ? |
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| 03:24.31 | cross__ | m_billybob: not sure, vmware hot space allocation, lvm resize, ... |
| 03:24.54 | cross__ | I did it just before for a customer then on this server ... |
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| 03:25.31 | some-cowbell | cross, for future installations, I recommend you keep a notebook on the install so you can say with certainty what you did when |
| 03:25.51 | m_billybob | logs all ssh sessions |
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| 03:31.25 | cross__ | some-cowbell: sure I did not install it, even just separate partition for data and system... |
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| 03:31.48 | cross__ | some-cowbell: https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2013-July/msg00102.html |
| 03:32.37 | cross__ | some-cowbell: I disable my lvm, lvchange -an and pvchange -an |
| 03:33.16 | cross__ | then retry the resize2fs and get a bad magic number in super-block |
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| 03:36.21 | cross__ | I am pretty sure that the starting block never changed as pvscan is able to read the PV, I would like to offset the end block beyond the need of the PV, not sure how to do it, I found article saying that I should delete and recreate partition above it keeping the same starting block |
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| 04:11.47 | cross__ | ok I find a way |
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| 04:13.21 | cross__ | frisk -> delete partition logical then extended |
| 04:13.35 | cross__ | then recreate extended |
| 04:13.57 | cross__ | then recreate logical with same starting block with end farther |
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| 04:14.19 | cross__ | then pvchange -ay |
| 04:14.21 | cross__ | reboot |
| 04:14.37 | cross__ | thank you very much for your help |
| 04:15.08 | cross__ | jmcnaught: some-cowbell m_billybob |
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| 04:16.38 | m_billybob | cross__, ? |
| 04:16.47 | m_billybob | got it resolved ? |
| 04:16.51 | cross__ | thanks yes! |
| 04:16.59 | m_billybob | excellent |
| 04:17.49 | m_billybob | log those ssh sessions in the future ;) |
| 04:18.11 | cross__ | easy when you know the solution of corse, Linux LVM partition was too small, just delete with frisk and recreate with same starting block but bigger |
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| 04:19.03 | cross__ | It was not possible to access the partition |
| 04:19.25 | cross__ | it was a ram disk :) |
| 04:19.56 | m_billybob | :/ |
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| 05:46.24 | sandman13 | is there a way to download .deb packages via wget or something? |
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| 05:50.05 | jmcnaught | sandman13: there's the debget command in the debian-goodies package (along with some other great stuff) |
| 05:50.42 | sandman13 | jmcnaught: outside the debian as I cannot get my Internet working, says firmware missing |
| 05:50.50 | sandman13 | not even Ethernet |
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| 05:54.19 | jmcnaught | sandman13: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ has firmware tarballs and zip files that can be used by the installer. See https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en for more info about this. |
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| 05:55.58 | jmcnaught | !firmware image |
| 05:55.59 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 05:56.29 | jmcnaught | sandman13: ^^^ this is an unofficial netinst iso that includes most of the firmwares, might be easier |
| 05:57.08 | sandman13 | jmcnaught: I have already installed Debian, if I use that iso do I have to reinstall? |
| 05:59.05 | jmcnaught | sandman13: yes, normally you would handle the firmware issue during the install |
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| 06:00.09 | jmcnaught | sandman13: check the message from dpkg about another possible route, and maybe ask it about the other options in the <> brackets |
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| 06:00.45 | sandman13 | jmcnaught: doing that thanks |
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| 06:48.44 | gluesniffmonkey | I am trying to get the py3status-pomodoro-timer going on Debian Wheezy using i3wm. the pomodoro timer is not responding to mouse clicks. |
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| 06:49.43 | gluesniffmonkey | This is py3status-pomodoro-timer https://github.com/tjaartvdwalt/py3status-pomodoro-timer |
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| 07:14.48 | greenit | hi, is there an easy way to change from GNOME to KDE without having GNOME dependencies anymore and without re-installing debian? |
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| 07:15.58 | Energy | we wish a sucking of my dick, we wish a sucking of my dick, we wish a sucking of my dick for an happy new year !!! :-) |
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| 07:17.02 | Beherit | pretty good english for living in belgium, Energy |
| 07:17.36 | jolt | greenit: Not "easy" per se, but you could aptitude purge gnome and aptitude autoremove after that to get rid of most things. Then I would probably list all remaining stuff with "dpkg -L|grep gnome" to see if anything is lingering. Thats the only way I know of, but I would assume there are alternative ways to do it, so maybe you can ask again later when more people are awake. |
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| 07:17.57 | Energy | when pretty woman, open the mouth, i insert my penis for an happy new year !!! |
| 07:18.27 | greenit | jolt: thx for the answer, yeah, probably i'll try it later again :) |
| 07:18.29 | jolt | greenit: Have a look at https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
| 07:18.45 | Energy | thanks you Beherit :-) |
| 07:19.01 | jolt | greenit: XFCE is another desktop environment (like kde, gnome) and that is how they recommend |
| 07:19.52 | greenit | thx |
| 07:19.57 | av0idz | good morning friends of debian, what would one of you charge as monthly payment for administration of about ~50 hosts managed with puppet, just for updating and keeping them alive ? |
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| 07:20.22 | av0idz | i dont know as for an hour of work i normally charge 100-120 $ |
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| 07:21.28 | jolt | av0idz: That depends on the country, local market etc, so maybe there is some union thing to ask for guidance? |
| 07:21.36 | greenit | av0idz: i can just tell from my experience, our company is charging ~160$ per server for this |
| 07:23.01 | jolt | In Sweden, as a part-time consultant I would do it for $3000/mo, but then I have a 15+ years of experience with linux, and people has to pay for that shit :) |
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| 07:23.55 | av0idz | 160$ per server! this is damn high prized :) well i will investigate further before i send out an offer! wow ... i thought i would / can charge around 400$ per month ... as i thought i wont have that much of work there :) |
| 07:24.32 | jolt | av0idz: You don't pay for the amount of work, you pay for someones experience |
| 07:24.47 | day | jolt: i disagree. |
| 07:24.52 | Energy | giggle bells giggle bells when my cock are shaked, i'm happy to be here lalala lala !!! hééé !!!! |
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| 07:25.15 | av0idz | thanks for the input guys, i think i should balance amount of work and expertise anywhere |
| 07:25.37 | jolt | day: Maybe Im a bit harsh, of course the amount of work is part of it. But if stuff breaks on 50 hosts and you have to fix it, then you would need more money becuase it would take a lot of time. |
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| 07:26.16 | greenit | av0idz: included in the 160$ are also network-connection and energy-costs + some $ for unexpected problems and work connected to it ;) |
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| 07:26.44 | jolt | greenit: :) |
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| 07:27.16 | greenit | by the way, can we "report" a channel-user? |
| 07:27.44 | day | jolt: nah what i mean is, a customer pays because for a service. It doesnt matter how you fullfill his wishes, as long as you do. Noone pays for experience |
| 07:27.53 | day | dat grammar |
| 07:28.04 | jolt | :D |
| 07:28.14 | jelly-home | greenit: if there's prolonged abuse not being curbed, write !ops nickname reason |
| 07:29.33 | av0idz | i see greenit , well i do have to pay none of this as the servers are all located in an datacenter and are all dedicated hosts i i would only manage them, i wont be the guy that buys new hardware |
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| 07:30.26 | greenit | jelly-home: so i could write "!ops Energy spamming", or doesn't he write enough to count as spam? |
| 07:30.27 | av0idz | so far.. i will though step in my local community and ask about prizing there around :) |
| 07:30.51 | greenit | av0idz: that would be the best i think :) |
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| 07:31.05 | lotherk | can anyone tell my why irc is disabled in kopete on jessie? |
| 07:31.07 | jelly-home | greenit: you could, had he not just been banned and removed from the channel |
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| 07:31.45 | av0idz | thanks thanks thanks guys :) |
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| 07:31.47 | greenit | jelly-home: ah, i didn't see it, thanks :) |
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| 07:44.00 | av0idz | wow rainloop looks impressive |
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| 07:44.21 | av0idz | :) |
| 07:44.36 | tuxdude | i'm trying to install jessie from netboot and i get this error: mismatch between the kernel modules. i check console 4 and the "Good signature" is coming from Wheezy, which explains the kernel mismatch. how do i get it to take the jessie signature? |
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| 07:54.11 | nkuttler | !tell tuxdude about debian-boot |
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| 07:57.43 | colo-work | is there an ftpd in Debian that can retrieve account (authn) data from an apache2 htpasswd file? |
| 07:58.14 | colo-work | mod_ftp from apache doesn't seem to be packages unfortunately |
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| 08:02.28 | tuxdude | i'm trying to install jessie from netboot and i get this error: mismatch between the kernel modules. i check console 4 and the "Good signature" is coming from Wheezy, which explains the kernel mismatch. how do i get it to take the jessie signature? |
| 08:03.03 | av0idz | anddam you could try apt-get autoremove |
| 08:04.40 | tuxdude | it says "no packages matching running kernel 3.13-1-486 in archive" |
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| 08:05.09 | av0idz | tuxdude you may have messed up your /etc/apt/sources.cfg |
| 08:05.12 | av0idz | check it out |
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| 08:06.24 | tuxdude | av0idz: i never touched it but let me check |
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| 08:07.27 | tuxdude | av0idz: i found no sources.cfg in /tftpboot |
| 08:07.40 | av0idz | sry its called sources.list |
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| 08:09.14 | milligan | I have a folder that I can't remove (device or resource is busy) as root or any other user. I can't create subdirectories as root (or any other user). The folder is not an nfs mount or anything (i.e it doesn't appear under fstab or `mount`). What could be up ? |
| 08:09.25 | tuxdude | av0idz: hmm. no file at all with *sources* in it in my /tftpboot folder |
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| 08:22.12 | greenit | tuxdude: search for it in /etc/apt/ |
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| 08:24.00 | tuxdude | greenit: this is a netinstall with a tftpd server. i see no /etc/apt in my /tftpboot on the tftp server and none on my netbook |
| 08:24.17 | greenit | tuxdude: oh, sry then |
| 08:24.59 | tuxdude | :-( |
| 08:25.10 | greenit | tuxdude: wait, you mean you made a net-install and installed a tftpd-server on it? |
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| 08:27.40 | tuxdude | greenit: no i set up a tftp server, extracted the netboot.tar.gz to its /tftpboot directory and i'm now trying to install debian on my netbook over the lan |
| 08:28.35 | greenit | ok, then i read your setting correct, but sadly i can't help you with that.... |
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| 08:29.12 | tuxdude | ok. thanks anyway :-( |
| 08:30.53 | anddam | av0idz: nope, it removed previous kernel (headers and image) |
| 08:31.05 | anddam | not the bunch of stuff I saw when I ran build-dep |
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| 08:33.59 | greenit | tuxdude: did you make the steps described here with "jessie" instead of "wheezy"? https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall#Provide_the_boot_image |
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| 08:36.45 | tuxdude | greenit: no i just manually downloaded from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ through the browser and then untarred it to /tftpboot |
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| 08:43.15 | greenit | tuxdude: can you pastebin what is in your debian-installer/pxelinux.cfg ? |
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| 08:46.36 | tuxdude | greenit: only this: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 Mar 16 17:38 default -> ../boot-screens/syslinux.cfg |
| 08:47.00 | greenit | tuxdude: yeah, but what is _in_ the file? |
| 08:47.45 | greenit | as i said, i never did this before, so i don't know if there must be a folder "debian-installer" |
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| 08:47.55 | tuxdude | oh ok let me pastebin that |
| 08:48.45 | munnis | Hi, I have this crontab 30 10 * * * reboot, yet my machine did not restart 10:30 AM, 20 minutes ago server time. Also I noticed that I often have to type reboot twice in order to reboot the system |
| 08:48.52 | tuxdude | greenit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7769372/ |
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| 08:49.28 | munnis | what can cause this? How can I track it down |
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| 08:50.04 | greenit | tuxdude: and what is in the menu.cfg this file redirects to? |
| 08:51.04 | tuxdude | greenit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7769376 |
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| 08:53.00 | greenit | tuxdude: hm... well, sry... probably you need someone who already did pxe-booting... but if you don't find anyone here, try #linux, they are very helpful too :) |
| 08:53.52 | tuxdude | ok i will do that. thanks for trying :-) |
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| 08:55.30 | greenit | tuxdude: probably this site helps you too: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/478/Setting_up_a_server_for_PXE_network_booting just with jessie instead of etch |
| 08:57.01 | greenit | munnis: which version of debian are you using? |
| 08:58.50 | greenit | munnis: did you try to use the absolute path to reboot? (ie /usr/bin/reboot) |
| 09:00.12 | greenit | munnis: erm, i mean /sbin/reboot (at least in centos, i don't have a debian here right now) |
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| 09:00.43 | ChrisH | munnis: keep in mind that cront ENV is very limited. |
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| 09:05.53 | munnis | greenit: I did try /sbin/shutdown -r |
| 09:05.55 | munnis | did not work either |
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| 09:06.40 | munnis | ah it need more arguments? |
| 09:06.56 | greenit | munnis: and which version of debian are you using? (oldstable, stable, testing, ...) |
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| 09:07.27 | munnis | stable |
| 09:07.37 | munnis | I am still curious though why I always have to type reboot twice, before reboot |
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| 09:07.46 | munnis | I tried /sbin/reboot aswell, have to run it twice |
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| 09:08.32 | greenit | munnis: probably this helps you http://aplawrence.com/Unixart/crontab_not_running.html |
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| 09:09.23 | munnis | I did have working crontabs before which executed php scripts |
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| 09:10.22 | munnis | yeah I sacked it now |
| 09:10.28 | munnis | with two /sbin/reboot entries in crontab |
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| 09:12.40 | munnis | so it is not really a permission issue |
| 09:12.45 | munnis | I can live with that though |
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| 09:17.29 | lc_ | hi to all.. question.. i've installed the uswsusp package to have the suspend-hybrid, i've configured all like here http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-use-hybrid-suspend-in-ubuntu.html. All ok but when i try to hibernate or suspend when i resume its triggered twice .. any advice ? |
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| 09:37.15 | jelly | munnis: how much do you wait after the first reboot command issued? Does "shutdown -r now" work better? |
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| 09:44.37 | masashon | hi. i have a problem with tcpdump. witch irc channel would i use? pleas |
| 09:45.51 | day | masashon: try #networking |
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| 10:08.27 | frdmn | can someone help me out with some iptables + gre tunnel issues |
| 10:08.41 | frdmn | not sure wheres the best place to ask |
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| 10:10.35 | esakish | frdmn, /j #netfilter |
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| 10:15.34 | fALSO | Hi there |
| 10:15.49 | fALSO | Im having a little problem with apt-get after doing a dist-upgrade to squeeze |
| 10:16.05 | fALSO | im trying to install the package: libnet-z3950-zoom-perl |
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| 10:16.17 | fALSO | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.38 | fALSO | ~# apt-rdepends libnet-z3950-zoom-perl|grep perlapi |
| 10:16.42 | fALSO | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.07 | fALSO | Why is he depending on perlapi-5.10.1 when the package specifies 5.14.2 ? |
| 10:17.16 | fALSO | Anyone knows what can be the trouble? |
| 10:18.33 | linuxthefish | why does mysql server install always mess up? |
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| 10:18.54 | linuxthefish | [FAIL] Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 10:18.55 | linuxthefish | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
| 10:18.55 | linuxthefish | dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.5 (--configure): |
| 10:18.55 | dpkg | linuxthefish: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 10:19.23 | linuxthefish | mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.5; however: Package mysql-server-5.5 is not configured yet. |
| 10:19.24 | linuxthefish | :S |
| 10:20.01 | ChrisH | linuxthefish: shounds like the standard issue, debian-maintainer PW inside MySQL does not match the one in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 10:23.49 | jelly | !tell fALSO about bat |
| 10:24.09 | jelly | ,v libnet-z3950-zoom-perl |
| 10:24.10 | judd | Package: libnet-z3950-zoom-perl on i386 -- squeeze: 1.26-1; wheezy: 1.26-1+b2; jessie: 1.30-1; sid: 1.30-1 |
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| 10:25.25 | fALSO | judd, going to do that |
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| 10:27.25 | fALSO | judd, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/269d8971/ |
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| 10:28.48 | bolt | Any tips on how to help out samba's limited "veto files" option? Say I want to hide the "bin" directory in one directory, but show it in another, "veto files" will only allow me to hide or show both, as it doesn't seem to allow for neither regex nor subdirectories. Is there a workaround for this? A fuse file system which allows hiding files by regex, which I could then in turn share on samba or something? Open to suggestions here. |
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| 10:30.42 | jelly | fALSO: you seem to have both squeeze and wheezy repositories enabled. Which release are you supposed to be running? |
| 10:31.18 | fALSO | found the problem!!! |
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| 10:34.06 | jelly | fALSO: which was? Apart from mixing two releases and using a third party repo with several versions of your desired package? |
| 10:34.22 | fALSO | yes that was the problem |
| 10:34.29 | fALSO | a third party repo that I didnt knew about |
| 10:34.36 | fALSO | changed it and everything is fixed ! :-D |
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| 10:48.20 | bolt | just found "rofs", which seems to do what I want |
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| 10:51.06 | bolt | hm.. rofs isn't rofs-fuse :/ |
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| 11:26.51 | busch | What debian package provides the dsync utility? |
| 11:26.58 | busch | *Which |
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| 11:27.44 | jelly | busch: dovecot's dsync? |
| 11:27.54 | busch | jelly: Yes |
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| 11:29.13 | Brigo | dovecot-core: /usr/bin/dsync |
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| 11:30.02 | busch | Brigo: How did you figure this out? |
| 11:30.28 | jelly | !tell busch about search |
| 11:30.49 | jelly | busch: also, /msg judd file bin/dsync |
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| 11:45.57 | ExeciN | debian always checks my HDDs when it boots. I have an MBR/GPT hybrid HDD that I don't want debian to mess with it. How can I set it to always skip the checks on that drive? |
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| 11:47.28 | jelly | ExeciN: in fstab(5) manual, you'll see the 6th column (fs_passno) decides the order of filesystem check at boot. Set it to 0. |
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| 11:48.02 | jelly | ExeciN: I'm assuming you're talking about automatic fsck at reboot |
| 11:48.19 | ExeciN | jelly: correct |
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| 11:49.31 | boratynskikamil | Hello dear all. |
| 11:49.56 | boratynskikamil | Question to you, what way do you recommend to share a hard drive between two VMs? OCFS? GlusterFS? |
| 11:50.58 | boratynskikamil | It is important one of VM may corrupt and while it is, the second one has to be able to read the whole data from shared HD. |
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| 11:54.03 | ochiottes | why not nfs or samba? |
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| 11:55.44 | boratynskikamil | ochiottes: One of VM will share drive, right? What if this one corrupts? |
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| 11:56.16 | birdpoop | Hi, if i have a password already hashed how do i assign it to a user ? |
| 11:56.19 | frostschutz | boratynskikamil, a cluster file system with replication then, or just something fancy with rsync depending on how realtime you need changes to appear on either end |
| 11:57.02 | boratynskikamil | frostschutz: GlusterFS or OCFS? |
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| 11:58.14 | frostschutz | boratynskikamil, or if it's all on the same host, let the host provide nfs/samba to both. saves storage (no duplication inside the vm) |
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| 11:59.02 | boratynskikamil | frostschutz: Both are virtualmachines.. |
| 11:59.11 | boratynskikamil | So HyperV may share one drive, right? |
| 11:59.27 | boratynskikamil | But we could may a problem with parallel I/O operations. |
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| 12:16.40 | terr1 | Im running a few debian servers, a fileserver and a webserver on the same datacenter using 1gbit... What technology is recommended for the webserver to get access to the files on the fileserver. Is NFS the best bet, or what is the standard solution for this, when splitting servers up into multiple machines? |
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| 12:20.35 | Shadur | thinks that's what NFS still tends to be used for. |
| 12:20.41 | Shadow_7 | terr1: no idea what the standard solution is, but nfs has less overhead than samba if both machines are linux based. |
| 12:20.56 | terr1 | all linux based |
| 12:21.04 | frostschutz | terr1, files the webserver needs internally or files to be served to the clients? in the latter case the fileserver would be a webserver too and you'd just put nginx to the task. otherwise nfs or similar |
| 12:21.28 | Shadur | Also less potential access permission problems, although I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish by putting the static files on a separate server. |
| 12:21.55 | SirLagz | assuming the UIDs on both boxes are the same |
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| 12:23.07 | terr1 | The fileserver will contain client files.. its because I want to split my current server up into, 1. nginx reverse proxy frontend, 2. mysql server, 3. webserver (nginx) / API and backend.. Due to CPU bottleneck problems. |
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| 12:23.31 | ExeciN | I want to add an entry in /etc/fstab Can I have an entry for the drive or all the entries have to be for partitions only? |
| 12:23.50 | SirLagz | ExeciN: depends...why would you want to do that ? |
| 12:25.56 | ExeciN | SirLagz: I want to set a drive to be ignored by fsck during the startup no matter how the partition table looks like. If it can't be done I'll just keep the partition table as it is |
| 12:26.16 | ExeciN | or update the entry in fstab |
| 12:26.36 | SirLagz | ExeciN: I'm not sure about that. Could always try and find out though :D |
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| 12:28.47 | ExeciN | can I set a label on a disk or that can only be done on partitions? |
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| 12:34.57 | milligan | Bit of a far fetched question for debian channel I guess, but I'll give it a go. I'm looking to make a userbased web-filter system. Pretty much I want to create filters allowing/disallowing urls, content, keywords, etc on a pr user basis. Are there any systems I could start looking at and customize to my needs? |
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| 12:39.38 | SirLagz | milligan: squid |
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| 12:48.08 | ChrisH | dansguardian with or without squid |
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| 13:17.09 | dakira | hi. I just updated and rebooted a server that doesn't boot anymore. I used a live-system to chroot into it and everything looks fine except one thing: |
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| 13:17.57 | dakira | when I run mkinitramfs I get an error: modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:556 kmod_search_moddep() could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.13.0-24-generic/modules.dep.bin' |
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| 13:18.20 | xmite | Hi everyone |
| 13:18.23 | dakira | 3.13.0-24 is the version of the live-system, though and not of the system I chrooted into and want to fix |
| 13:18.34 | SirLagz | dakira: what error do you get when you try to boot the server ? |
| 13:19.59 | xmite | I've been setting up a debian sid system for the last couple of days, for a home recording studio, and I've got a few issues left. 2 hurdles to tackle are when switching to a rt-preempt kernel (latest amd64) I get random freezes, i/o errors and usb system becomes unstable to unresponsive... |
| 13:20.06 | dakira | SirLagz: I can't look at the screen. It's a server and I don't have a remote console, yet (still waiting for it). In the meantime I can only boot into a live-system and mount my drives. |
| 13:20.27 | SirLagz | dakira: physical or virtual server ? |
| 13:20.34 | dakira | SirLagz: physical |
| 13:20.41 | SirLagz | dakira: located remotely is it ? |
| 13:20.51 | dakira | SirLagz: exactly |
| 13:20.56 | SirLagz | xmite: jessie / sid is supported on #debian-next on OFTC |
| 13:21.01 | SirLagz | !jessie |
| 13:21.02 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>. |
| 13:21.15 | SirLagz | !sid |
| 13:21.15 | dpkg | hmm... sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 13:23.44 | mad_hatter | hey folks im trying to setup a dual monitor in xfce4 but when i do xrandr to see my connected monitors I get the error: xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
| 13:24.10 | SirLagz | mad_hatter: what GPU ? |
| 13:24.38 | mad_hatter | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Haswell Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0412] (rev 06 |
| 13:24.49 | mad_hatter | ^^ lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 13:25.00 | dakira | SirLagz: any more ideas. The thing is: I don't get why mkinitramfs looks for the host kernel version and not the kernel version in the chroot. |
| 13:25.39 | SirLagz | dakira: nope, sorry |
| 13:25.53 | SirLagz | dakira: why did you need to reboot the server ? |
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| 13:28.53 | Shadow_7 | mad_hatter: xvidtune -show |
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| 13:30.29 | mad_hatter | "1920x1080" 0.00 1920 1920 1920 1920 1080 1080 1080 1080 -hsync -vsync -csync |
| 13:30.32 | mad_hatter | Shadow_7, |
| 13:30.45 | dakira | SirLagz: kernel update |
| 13:31.07 | SirLagz | dakira: was it a manual kernel build ? or a debian image that you installed ? |
| 13:31.57 | petn-randall | I'm looking for a traceroute-like tool that runs continuously and pings every hop in between. I forgot the name of it, can someone refreshen my memory? |
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| 13:32.09 | SirLagz | petn-randall: pathping ? |
| 13:32.14 | dakira | SirLagz: original kernel from the build I installed. |
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| 13:33.17 | dakira | SirLagz: but running "apt-get --reinstall install THE_KERNEL" gives said mkinitramfs error message |
| 13:33.19 | SirLagz | petn-randall: sorry that's the windows version... |
| 13:34.03 | SirLagz | petn-randall: mtr |
| 13:35.02 | invader | Morning |
| 13:35.22 | SirLagz | dakira: is there an old kernel on the server still ? |
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| 13:36.03 | petn-randall | SirLagz: Yes, that's the one, thanks. |
| 13:36.10 | SirLagz | petn-randall: no problems |
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| 13:38.03 | dakira | SirLagz: nope. I've got a console now. It shows a kernel panic. |
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| 13:38.57 | SirLagz | dakira: kernel panic ? sounds fun. |
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| 13:40.14 | mad_hatter | any suggestions? |
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| 13:40.34 | dakira | SirLagz: here it is: http://i.imgur.com/kp12m0c.png |
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| 13:58.16 | threenuc | Hey, from time to time Debian Wheezy "freezes" (everything on the desktop is continuing as usual, say I have an update in the terminal - it still reports what files it's downloading etc.), it's just input devices that magically stop working. All processes in the System Monitor have normal cpu usage even when everything hangs. What do? |
| 13:58.54 | Brigo | threenuc, did you check the logs? |
| 13:59.07 | threenuc | yeah, the logs... brb |
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| 14:00.08 | threenuc | Which log do I view from /var/logs? |
| 14:00.21 | threenuc | sorry I'm linux retarded |
| 14:00.54 | Brigo | threenuc, try syslog |
| 14:01.25 | Brigo | threenuc, if you prefer, you can paste it in paste.debian.net |
| 14:01.27 | Shadow_7 | That type of behavior is most noticed by less than optimal video drivers. So /var/log/Xorg.0.log, although dmesg and syslog are the normal first stops |
| 14:02.35 | threenuc | Brigo, syslog (without the .1, .2 and so on) is just Job 'cron.daily' terminated \n Normal exit (1 job run) |
| 14:02.51 | threenuc | Shadow_7, I didn't install any drivers unless Debian does it by default |
| 14:03.01 | Shadow_7 | I was getting that on my raspberry pi, until I switched from fbdev to fbturbo video drivers. Although I had to compile fbturbo since it's not in the arm repositories. |
| 14:03.12 | Brigo | then check /var/log/Xorg.0.log like Shadow_7 has said |
| 14:04.23 | Shadow_7 | threenuc: dpkg -l '*xserver*xorg*video*' |
| 14:04.42 | Shadow_7 | to see what video drivers for X were installed. maybe by default. |
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| 14:07.57 | dakira | SirLagz: In case you're interested: findutils was broken. reinstalling it solved the problem. |
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| 14:08.32 | threenuc | Brigo, lots of modelines but found this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2df5c1fe/, reason for concern? |
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| 14:09.12 | Brigo | threenuc, no these lines. |
| 14:09.40 | threenuc | Brigo, huh? |
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| 14:10.17 | Brigo | these lines are no errors, are normal output when you plug in and out a mouse or a keyboard. |
| 14:11.40 | threenuc | Brigo, by the way what does the numbers (like 17.196) at the beginning of every line mean? |
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| 14:12.20 | Nik05 | TheAlien some kernel clock |
| 14:12.27 | Brigo | threenuc, not sure, i think timestamps |
| 14:12.30 | Nik05 | wwoops wrong hilight sorry threenuc |
| 14:12.57 | e^0 | default package manager of debain is aptitute ? |
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| 14:13.13 | e^0 | where can i find all the commands and info about aptitude ? |
| 14:13.24 | Brigo | Nik05, i think you sorry the wrong nick :) |
| 14:13.33 | Nik05 | :) |
| 14:13.35 | Brigo | e^0 man aptitude |
| 14:13.37 | Shadow_7 | e^0: apt-get technically. Although tasksel, dselect, aptitude, ... are options |
| 14:13.42 | Nik05 | but then i hilight him twice Brigo |
| 14:14.03 | Nik05 | e^0 first man aptitude, after that some internet page |
| 14:14.32 | threenuc | Sooo, what can I do next? |
| 14:14.34 | Brigo | Nik05, first time you hilight The Alien .. |
| 14:14.44 | Nik05 | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/index.html |
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| 14:14.55 | e^0 | Shadow_7: apt-get is of ubuntu right ? bit confused which one to use on debian aptitute or apt-get ? |
| 14:15.01 | Nik05 | yes Brigo but if i say sorry to him i hilight him another time |
| 14:15.05 | lc | hi .. debian wheezy... when i use s2both and s2disk with the function keys they do all well but when finished resuming they do re-suspend twice.. any advice ? |
| 14:15.14 | Nik05 | e^0 apt-get is default in debian |
| 14:15.16 | Brigo | let us check your entire xorg and syslog, only for be sure. |
| 14:15.19 | lc | thinkpad x201 |
| 14:15.47 | Shadow_7 | e^0: apt-get is the deb package management system. aptitude uses it on the backend in all probability. |
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| 14:16.10 | Shadow_7 | apt is anyway. apt-get is one part of it to retrieve packages and updates |
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| 14:16.25 | Brigo | Nik05, yes i he will red two messages, the mistake and the apologies, of this way he only will read the mistaked message and will get wonder what the matter? :) |
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| 14:16.34 | threenuc | Brigo: last "freeze" happened yesterday tho, here's the log http://paste.debian.net/108894/ syslog is small as I quoted |
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| 14:16.43 | e^0 | so that means for ubuntu and debian apt-get is the default one..!! i thought there is bit difference between both of the distros |
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| 14:17.32 | Shadow_7 | threenuc: a lot of times when the video driver disconnects the HID's you can still ssh into the machine and do stuff, like restart X to fix the issue without reboot. |
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| 14:18.03 | threenuc | Shadow_7, like SSH from another computer you mean? |
| 14:18.13 | Shadow_7 | threenuc: yes |
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| 14:18.35 | e^0 | which one should i use apt-get or aptitude because i am familiar with apt-get due to ubuntu |
| 14:18.48 | Shadow_7 | e^0: when in doubt use apt-get |
| 14:18.48 | Sark | apt-get is easier. Heh. |
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| 14:19.11 | threenuc | Shadow_7, I don't really have any other machines. |
| 14:19.12 | Brigo | e^0 it is the same, use wath you want |
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| 14:19.30 | Shadow_7 | although technically apt is most times a front end to dpkg. |
| 14:19.37 | Brigo | threenuc, even a smartphone? |
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| 14:20.19 | Sark | wow - I can't imagine having only one computer. I've always had piles of them. A side effect of being a computer guy, everyone dumps their old hardware on you. The end table in my living room is currently an old computer. |
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| 14:20.35 | Shadow_7 | threenuc: any other linux machines or machines period? putty in windows to ssh in and other options. |
| 14:20.45 | e^0 | ok will go with apt-get :) |
| 14:21.22 | threenuc | Yeah I have a smartphone. I could also find my W8 laptop somewhere tho |
| 14:21.36 | threenuc | I tried this SSH thing once, when it got to connecting over WiFi I gave up |
| 14:21.41 | Shadow_7 | Sark: I've had a few dump their NEW machines on me to fix their OLD ones. Oh Vista, how I miss thee. |
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| 14:22.41 | Shadow_7 | threenuc: not really important, but one step to narrowing down the issue. At the end of the day ssh is just a workaround, not a solution. |
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| 14:23.13 | Nik05 | e^0 depends what you want to use :) |
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| 14:23.34 | Shadow_7 | threenuc: but it opens up debugging options to find out what actually happened. |
| 14:24.06 | Nik05 | but now there is also "apt", well not sure if that is in stable, maybe backports |
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| 14:24.34 | threenuc_crashed | It's me threenuc, I crashed :| |
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| 14:25.12 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: you could always try using the vesa video driver and see if you run problem free under it. |
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| 14:25.33 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: one way to narrow down the possible cause to video driver territory. |
| 14:25.46 | threenuc_crashed | okay I'll try |
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| 14:26.56 | threenuc_crashed | But how can it be the video driver if the screen is fine but the keyboard and mouse act as if they were disconnected? |
| 14:27.11 | Brigo | threenuc_crashed, now your logs should be specially interesting! paste it, syslog and xorg.o.log! |
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| 14:27.50 | colo-work | is there an ftpd in Debian that can retrieve account (authn) data from an apache2 htpasswd file? |
| 14:27.54 | Brigo | threenuc_crashed, Xorg manages the video and the mouse and keyboard. If it crashell all crashes |
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| 14:29.49 | threenuc | Brigo: http://paste.debian.net/108897/ |
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| 14:29.54 | threenuc | that's syslog |
| 14:30.05 | Shadow_7 | not always all. Most of my similar type crashes these days are power related. i.e. the lights flicker and not using any UPS. The computer stays on, X content keeps updating, but no human interface devices function. Sometimes a heat issue to if on old gear with dysfunctional fans. |
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| 14:31.52 | Brigo | threenuc, you have gnome debug active, so the syslog is full with gnome debug info, but nothing for our issue, try to paste somthing older |
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| 14:32.02 | Shadow_7 | threenuc: video driver issue likely --> [drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: PFIFO: unknown status 0x40000000 |
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| 14:32.20 | threenuc | http://paste.debian.net/108900/ xorg.0.log |
| 14:32.34 | threenuc | So I'll try changing to vesa |
| 14:33.09 | Brigo | threenuc, try paste the previous one, the crashed one |
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| 14:33.26 | threenuc | syslog.1? |
| 14:33.50 | Shadow_7 | threenuc: you could also try changing your video mode. xrandr |
| 14:34.23 | esakish | Is kvm good enough to use, or should I stick with VirtualBox? |
| 14:34.25 | Shadow_7 | threenuc: some drivers work best at 24 bit colors. Some drivers are buggy at certain resolutions or refresh rates. |
| 14:34.30 | Brigo | threenuc, for example |
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| 14:36.19 | threenuc | Brigo: http://paste.debian.net/108901/ |
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| 14:44.25 | Brigo | threenuc, did you see the nouveau problems line? |
| 14:45.02 | threenuc | oh, yeah. how do I change the driver to vesa though? I already have it. |
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| 14:47.33 | Brigo | did you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
| 14:47.45 | Brigo | s/did/do |
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| 14:51.20 | threenuc | Brigo: Nope |
| 14:51.36 | Brigo | you need it :) |
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| 14:51.51 | threenuc | Brigo, so I just make it? |
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| 14:53.05 | Brigo | no go out of X and run Xorg -configure |
| 14:53.33 | Brigo | threenuc, stop xorg with service gdm3 stop first |
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| 14:54.36 | xok | hello all... |
| 14:55.12 | threenuc | Brigo: I don't get it, can't I just Shift Ctrl F1? |
| 14:55.13 | xok | I am trying to connect iPhone 4S to my Debian wheezy system but it stucks looping the "trust this computer" thing... |
| 14:55.30 | xok | can anyone please be so kind to help me figure out how to solve the problem?.. |
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| 14:56.12 | Brigo | threenuc, no, with Shift Ctrl F1 xorg is still running. You need to stop it. get root in a console and run this: ' service gdm3 stop' |
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| 14:58.57 | threenuc_crashed | Brigo: weird didn't work the first time. Okay so I'm in a black screen with a console |
| 14:59.14 | Brigo | nice, so run the command |
| 14:59.24 | threenuc_crashed | It doesn't read commands tho, if I type echo "a" nothing happens |
| 14:59.32 | threenuc_crashed | I did. |
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| 15:03.37 | threenuc_crashed | Brigo: you there? |
| 15:03.58 | Brigo | sorry, threenuc_crashed did you run the command, i think i do not understood you very well |
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| 15:05.13 | threenuc_crashed | Brigo: I restarted and did this: open terminal, login as root, run "service gdm3 stop" and now I have a black screen with a flashing cursor that doesn't do anything when I type stuff into it. |
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| 15:05.50 | Brigo | threenuc_crashed, did you try to chante to console 1 wint alt+f1? |
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| 15:06.23 | threenuc_crashed | Brigo: N-no :| It works now |
| 15:06.55 | Brigo | run the command, then :) Xorg -config |
| 15:07.05 | Brigo | Xorg -configure |
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| 15:07.27 | threenuc_crashed | Brigo: Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. Configuration failed |
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| 15:07.51 | Brigo | ? |
| 15:08.00 | threenuc_crashed | Brigo: That's the error message I get |
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| 15:08.02 | Brigo | try again |
| 15:08.14 | threenuc_crashed | Same thing all the time |
| 15:08.24 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: try renaming / removing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then startx |
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| 15:09.07 | threenuc_crashed | Shadow_7: xorg.conf isn't in /etc/x11 |
| 15:09.14 | threenuc_crashed | X11* |
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| 15:10.00 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: is xinit installed? |
| 15:10.15 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: startx -- -depth 24 |
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| 15:10.33 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: although probably need to set your wm in .xinitrc first |
| 15:10.39 | threenuc_crashed | Shadow_7: yes |
| 15:10.59 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: which desktop window manager? |
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| 15:13.26 | threenuc_crashed | Shadow_7: wmctrl says Mutter |
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| 15:15.21 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: echo "exec wmctrl" > ~/.xinitrc |
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| 15:15.34 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: then startx -- -depth 24 |
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| 15:16.50 | mad_hatter | anyone got any idea why I can't do dual monitor with gnome2/classic xrandr gives me this odd error: xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
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| 15:17.31 | Shadow_7 | mad_hatter: can you do that with other wms? i.e. have a dual head video card. |
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| 15:18.15 | mad_hatter | Shadow_7, no I've tried it with xfce4, lxde, etc. to no avail |
| 15:18.28 | threenuc_crashed | Shadow_7, errors. xinit: connection to X server lost. waiting for X server to shut down Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file |
| 15:18.39 | mad_hatter | I'm thinking it's something debian based since I was able to do it in Gentoo/Fluxbox before movign to debian |
| 15:18.48 | threenuc_crashed | Shadow_7, I shouldn't be starting X from root, no? |
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| 15:19.27 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: of course not |
| 15:19.37 | Guest91029 | hello all , my debian wheezy working on text mode , no graphic assumed the gdm3 - gnome need to be installed can you hlp pls , tks |
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| 15:20.08 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: except maybe X -config /root/xorg.conf.new |
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| 15:21.04 | Shadow_7 | Guest91029: apt-get install xinit, jwm |
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| 15:21.21 | threenuc_crashed | Shadow_7, same error, launching from my profile now. |
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| 15:22.23 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: odd... apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core |
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| 15:23.08 | threenuc_crashed | Shadow_7, and then do the same as before? |
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| 15:23.37 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: probs |
| 15:24.13 | threenuc_crashed | Shadow_7, same thing |
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| 15:24.50 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: and you're sure that you have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
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| 15:25.17 | autrilla | I have a tomcat7 app on http://myserver.com:8080/myapp. How can I have it on myapp.myserver.com, on port 80? I have apache2 too. |
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| 15:25.27 | threenuc_crashed | Shadow_7, nope |
| 15:26.40 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: export COLUMNS=200; dpkg -l | grep -i "*x*xorg*vid*" |
| 15:27.34 | threenuc_crashed | Shadow_7, done |
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| 15:28.26 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: is the vesa one install and nouveau |
| 15:28.38 | threenuc_crashed | Shadow_7, no output |
| 15:29.07 | mad_hatter | is there a way to install a new xorg from backports? |
| 15:29.23 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: apt-cache search xorg-video |
| 15:29.34 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: then install one or more of them |
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| 15:30.04 | threenuc_crashed | Shadow_7, any? I know vesa is already installed. |
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| 15:30.21 | threenuc_crashed | From the grep I ran like 30 minutes ago like you told me I think |
| 15:30.29 | Shadow_7 | threenuc_crashed: not unless you typo'd. if you got none on previous |
| 15:31.08 | Guest91029 | Shadow_7, can i run update ,upgrade after installing the xinit & jwd |
| 15:31.34 | Guest91029 | *jwm |
| 15:31.54 | threenuc_crashed | Shadow_7, I just tried to install nouveau and vesa and they're both installed |
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| 15:34.48 | iLogic | hey guys, i'm trying to compile the latest nodejs on debian wheezy and getting this error: dpkg-deb: error: parsing file '/var/tmp/tmp.Ic2km8ZGjP/package/DEBIAN/control' near line 7 package 'node': error in Version string 'v0.10.29-1': version number does not start with digit |
| 15:37.11 | Brigo | mad_hatter, the xorg in wheezy and in sid are the same |
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| 15:40.32 | mad_hatter | hmm...how do you figure out what driver your using for your graphics card? |
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| 15:41.13 | ghostlin_ | mad_hatter I think you have to run lshw for that |
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| 15:44.51 | e^0 | debian is really good :) |
| 15:45.18 | e^0 | wondering that is their any real difference between debian and ubuntu, apart from ubuntu uses latest packages and debian more stable ? |
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| 15:47.45 | mad_hatter | ghostlin, so my driver is i915...but I don't have an intel configuration file in my /etc/modprobe.d |
| 15:47.55 | Shadow_7 | ubuntu is more bleeding edge and full of cruft |
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| 15:49.53 | Shadow_7 | I guess one major difference is ubuntu paid the m$ tax and is signed with m$ keys for UEFI machines |
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| 15:56.00 | e^0 | Shadow_7: ok :) |
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| 16:00.08 | BackEndCoder | Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager. |
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| 16:00.14 | BackEndCoder | sorry i am not getting great google results on this |
| 16:00.24 | BackEndCoder | it seems to be something that restarts services on my behalf |
| 16:00.35 | BackEndCoder | i just installed a web panel ... so this could cause a problem |
| 16:00.42 | BackEndCoder | any good links ? |
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| 16:01.49 | Shadow_7 | A reboot might be the simple answer. Or restart the dbus daemon |
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| 16:03.00 | BackEndCoder | a restart of the dbus daemon ... still no dice |
| 16:03.13 | BackEndCoder | systemctl list-units will get me the same error |
| 16:03.26 | BackEndCoder | i will reboot, but i'm assuming it will be the same, brb |
| 16:04.11 | shay_shay | e^0: Debian testing is equivelant to Ubuntu *.10 releases |
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| 16:04.38 | shay_shay | Debian stable is like Ubuntu *.04 releases |
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| 16:05.08 | mad_hatter | is there a way you can point all your sources to jessie |
| 16:05.14 | e^0 | shay_shay: other than that everything is same ? |
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| 16:05.33 | Shadow_7 | mad_hatter: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and update |
| 16:05.41 | shay_shay | e^0: no I was referring to the newness of the packages |
| 16:05.50 | e^0 | don't know someone told me use aptitude on debian, and i was feeling awkward after using apt-get for a long time, now really using apt-get is fun on debain. |
| 16:05.57 | mad_hatter | Shadow_7, is there a wiki on how to do it? |
| 16:06.03 | shay_shay | I use apt-get |
| 16:06.03 | mad_hatter | I'm not sure what I'm supposed to edit |
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| 16:06.32 | shay_shay | e^0: apt-get works fine and IMO aptitude is still rough around the edges. |
| 16:06.43 | Shadow_7 | mad_hatter: your deb and deb-src lines and change wheezy or stable to testing or jessie |
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| 16:07.20 | shay_shay | I've had aptitude try and break my system more than once when a seemingly identical command for apt-get doesnt |
| 16:07.32 | Tasab | 2 days ago tried to ugrade something unfortunately my system working now on txt mode no graphical , how i can recover to my old system basis - tks |
| 16:07.37 | Shadow_7 | if you have a lot of non-traditional repositories you might break things |
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| 16:08.00 | e^0 | shay_shay: ok :) |
| 16:08.23 | petn-randall | mad_hatter: If you have difficulties upgrading to a pre-release version of Debian, you probably shouldn't be doing it. |
| 16:08.26 | shay_shay | Shadow_7: yes I am sure there was an explanation but at the end if the day its more finicky |
| 16:08.54 | Shadow_7 | shay_shay: that was meant more towards mad_hatter |
| 16:09.05 | shay_shay | Oh |
| 16:09.13 | petn-randall | !tell shay_shay -about bat |
| 16:09.54 | petn-randall | You'll have to to show us actual output of how your system is actually broken. |
| 16:10.34 | shay_shay | Its not broken |
| 16:11.07 | BackEndCoder | ok, so i read somewhere that it also effects shutdowns |
| 16:11.10 | shay_shay | Someone was asking if they HAD to use aptitude and I offered an anecdotal story of why I dont |
| 16:11.11 | BackEndCoder | my shutdown halted |
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| 16:11.53 | sandman13 | I was trying to get VLC via backports but this is the error I get: http://paste.debian.net/108926/ |
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| 16:13.32 | somiaj | sandman13: care to put the output of 'apt-cache policy vlc' and 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
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| 16:14.13 | TheWarden | Hi, I've been installing Debian OS via USB for some time now successfully. Oddly just recently I re-created the USB bootable installer and have done so many times I have a problem. |
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| 16:14.20 | TheWarden | The install works without errors. |
| 16:15.13 | somiaj | sandman13: a --dry-run seems to say it is isntallable here, think you may have a conflict in your sources.list or installed packages somewhere |
| 16:15.21 | TheWarden | However when the install completes and then reboots I receive a grub rescue screen that states error out of disk. What does this mean and how can I fix this? Remember this is a freshly installed OS from USB. So I have no issue re-installing as it should work after the install anyways. |
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| 16:15.28 | sandman13 | somiaj: here: http://paste.debian.net/108928/ |
| 16:16.13 | somiaj | TheWarden: How did you create your usb install....just double checking you ddin't use unetbootin or some tool like that. I wonder if grub is getting installed on your usb drive and you have an old broken grub on the mbr of the actuall isntall still |
| 16:16.34 | BackEndCoder | nvm, the reboot accually fixed it thanks |
| 16:16.44 | Shadow_7 | TheWarden: if you have a live disc option, boot it and chroot to the USB and re-install grub to it's MBR. |
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| 16:18.29 | petn-randall | shay_shay, e^0, saying that Debian stable is like Ubuntu LTS and testing is like the other Ubuntu releases is a gross oversimplification. Ubuntu only offers security support for 'main', which is about 10% of the package repository, and ships a lot of other things unique to Ubuntu. |
| 16:18.31 | Shadow_7 | BackEndCoder: there should be non-reboot ways to fix it, but sometimes the simple solution is the quickest one. |
| 16:18.59 | TheWarden | Here is the steps I took to create the installer via USB, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/2c1faa68a6b28a261a85. |
| 16:19.06 | BackEndCoder | i did restart the dbus, but no dice |
| 16:19.14 | jhutchins | TheWarden: DId you remove the USB? |
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| 16:19.32 | BackEndCoder | and i paniced cause it halted on shutdown... but, then the systemctl list-units worked |
| 16:19.34 | e^0 | petn-randall: ok :) |
| 16:19.34 | TheWarden | The USB flash drive was removed after the install was completed. |
| 16:19.38 | BackEndCoder | so you fixed it, thanks :P |
| 16:19.43 | Shadow_7 | BackEndCoder: dbus is finicky. Most times I have to stop it and manually kill -9 the leftovers, then start it again. |
| 16:19.54 | TheWarden | somiaj: see my link, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/2c1faa68a6b28a261a85 |
| 16:19.55 | BackEndCoder | i will make a note of that thanks |
| 16:19.57 | Neobenedict | yo, I'm about to install debian through a rescue system and I noticed this: http://puu.sh/a3MNG/43e4fb1818.png |
| 16:20.03 | Neobenedict | is that a problem? |
| 16:20.10 | jhutchins | TheWarden: You said you were getting an out-of-disk error? |
| 16:20.18 | Shadow_7 | BackEndCoder: perhaps it's like pulseaudio if you don't set autospawn = no. |
| 16:20.22 | TheWarden | Shadow_7: no I can't do that, and this is a fresh install it should work right away. I've done this a number of times. |
| 16:20.27 | Neobenedict | "This Rescue System is based on Debian 7.0 (wheezy) with a newer kernel. You can install software as in a normal system." |
| 16:20.29 | TheWarden | jhutchins: correct |
| 16:20.52 | somiaj | TheWarden: yea seems very complicated way when you can just copy the iso right to the device. Anyways, if the only thing that is broken is grub didn't install correctly you can fix that manually and might be the best attempt. I wonder if something in your preeseed custom usb installer confused grub from installing correclty |
| 16:20.53 | Shadow_7 | TheWarden: I tend to do debootstrap installs, fewer issues. |
| 16:20.56 | jhutchins | TheWarden: What are the chances it's actually out of disk space? |
| 16:21.37 | jhutchins | TheWarden: Possibly a partition that wasn't sized correctly? |
| 16:21.41 | somiaj | sandman13: I don't know what sort of conflict you have on your system that is preventing it from working. Just for testing things, does aptitude work? (use the same command with aptitude and not apt-get) |
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| 16:21.57 | TheWarden | somiaj: no sure, been doing this method for ages now without issues. Not sure why it won't work and I wasn't aware of a simpler way to do this. |
| 16:22.08 | TheWarden | Shadow_7: not aware of that method. |
| 16:22.13 | sandman13 | somiaj: I am using KDE and VLC was installed alongside with KDE |
| 16:22.19 | shay_shay | petn-randall: someone said Ubuntu was more bleeding edge, and I said Jessie was roughly equivalent by the newness of packages and also the stability of Ubuntu *.10 releases. You could come up with many differences, I was only pointing out that Debian has new packages |
| 16:22.30 | Shadow_7 | TheWarden: with UEFI systems you might need to use an odd partitioning scheme. |
| 16:22.35 | TheWarden | jhutchins: not possible I have 3.87 TB in a RAID 5 (hardware). |
| 16:22.57 | TheWarden | jhutchins: using entire disk. dedicated. |
| 16:23.07 | jhutchins | TheWarden: We're talking about just creating the installer USB here. Simplest to just copy the image. |
| 16:23.22 | TheWarden | Shadow_7: mmm UEFI maybe, not sure what though. |
| 16:23.23 | jhutchins | TheWarden: No swap? |
| 16:23.26 | Shadow_7 | TheWarden: the > 2TB disks need that UEFI partitioning scheme. GUID? |
| 16:23.45 | Shadow_7 | assuming it's a single disk and not an array |
| 16:23.46 | TheWarden | jhutchins: well yes sorry of course a swap. |
| 16:23.46 | jhutchins | Shadow_7: GPT |
| 16:23.51 | shay_shay | Ever feel like people take your words out of context on propose so they can argue ? |
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| 16:24.09 | TheWarden | jhutchins: what do you mean by just simplest to just copy the image? |
| 16:24.31 | Shadow_7 | shay_shay: always... sucks worse when it's your employer trolling you. |
| 16:24.42 | jhutchins | TheWarden: If you're creating the installer, just copy the iso to the raw device (/dev/sdX) |
| 16:24.46 | somiaj | TheWarden: I think for some reason that grub cannot find /boot on your system. Maybe due to grub being installed wrong (or actually installed on the wrong deivice such as your usb stick). I would try to see if you can resuce the install by following the instructions here |
| 16:24.52 | somiaj | !tell TheWarden about fixmbr |
| 16:25.22 | jhutchins | TheWarden: I think the first thing I would do is simply reboot the thing. |
| 16:25.24 | somiaj | TheWarden: and yes debian .iso are really easy to make bootable, 'cp foo.iso /dev/sdb' (Assuming /dev/sdb is your usb drive) |
| 16:25.29 | SynrG | shay_shay: the problem with rough comparisons is that people *will* misunderstand. there is no malice intended on the part of the helpers. it's just that we've seen far too much misinformation and confusion in this general category. |
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| 16:25.47 | TheWarden | Shadow_7: Ahh its all being done auto with the custom installer. |
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| 16:26.01 | shay_shay | SynrG: understood |
| 16:26.11 | shay_shay | < |
| 16:26.25 | somiaj | sandman13: Any luck with aptitude, was it intelligent enough to figure out your dependency issues? |
| 16:26.30 | TheWarden | jhutchins: well yes I guess I could copy the ISO to the flash drive and install however I need a custom installer to speed up the process hence why I went this route. |
| 16:26.44 | sandman13 | somiaj: let me try it |
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| 16:26.52 | TheWarden | somiaj: okay thanks. |
| 16:27.11 | TheWarden | jhutchins: a reboot doesn't fix it. the same error appears. I tried that. |
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| 16:27.29 | Shadow_7 | TheWarden: can you use some other bootloader to load it? |
| 16:27.34 | TheWarden | somiaj: right but then if I just copy the ISO to the device that would not be a custom installer. |
| 16:27.46 | Shadow_7 | if it's only the bootloader that's playing hardball |
| 16:27.50 | TheWarden | Shadow_7: you mean other than GRUB? |
| 16:28.15 | Shadow_7 | TheWarden: other than on THAT usb stick. grub.iso or on a main disk |
| 16:28.18 | somiaj | TheWarden: correct, seems you have an error in your installer somewhere. But the installer should give you a rescue mode which will be enough to fix this install and move on |
| 16:28.47 | TheWarden | Shadow_7: to achieve what? |
| 16:28.50 | sandman13 | somiaj: basically what it is telling me is to remove whole KDE, here this is the output: http://paste.debian.net/108931/ |
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| 16:29.00 | Shadow_7 | TheWarden: boot the install to see that it's not the issue. |
| 16:29.18 | TheWarden | somiaj: yeah, I don't want to have to fix this for every single system I have to setup. I have two more left to do yet at the moment. |
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| 16:29.39 | Shadow_7 | TheWarden: from the grub command line you can configfile (device,partition)/boot/grub/grub.cfg to chainload |
| 16:29.47 | jhutchins | TheWarden: If it doesn't do something sensible on reboot I think I'd just do a manual install and see if you catch the problem there. |
| 16:29.48 | TheWarden | Shadow_7: oh I can boot off USB drive just fine. mm |
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| 16:30.07 | TheWarden | jhutchins: yeah... okay. Thanks. |
| 16:30.30 | jhutchins | TheWarden: Since we didn't see your actual preseed (I don't think we did) I don't know what the problem is. If it's saying out-of-space I'm thinking the partitioning didn't work correctly and it can't write any logs as it's booting. |
| 16:30.39 | SynrG | jhutchins: it's embedded |
| 16:30.49 | somiaj | TheWarden: I think grub was just isntalled to the mbr of the usb drive and not the actuall install disk. It just happened you had an old grub on the install disk that is now confused. Might want to check your preseed and see if you can figure out why it is installing ther e(rember sometimes the usb drive gets detected as /dev/sda) |
| 16:30.50 | TheWarden | Thanks guys. |
| 16:30.53 | jhutchins | TheWarden: You can try rebooting and edit the boot command to eliminate "quiet" to get more detailed errors. |
| 16:31.04 | jhutchins | somiaj: He removed the USB drive. |
| 16:31.23 | Shadow_7 | TheWarden: is the USB option a dedicated device? or a card in a reader? Some readers only work to certain sizes. |
| 16:31.32 | somiaj | sandman13: you are going to have to manually go though and help apt understand what to do |
| 16:31.40 | TheWarden | somiaj: yeah I wonder how I can test that. |
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| 16:31.48 | SynrG | jhutchins: oh, except i see there are manual steps there. ugh :( |
| 16:32.04 | TheWarden | Shadow_7: its dedicated, the server came with it. |
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| 16:32.14 | somiaj | TheWarden: that is easy to test, put the usb drive back in, tell the machine to boot off of it and see if it loads the system. But I think jhutchins has a much better idea than my guess what is going on. |
| 16:32.28 | sandman13 | somiaj: how? |
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| 16:33.17 | TheWarden | somiaj: oh no I meant how to determine if the devices are being detected wrong when handling the partitioning at the installer. |
| 16:33.19 | somiaj | sandman13: lets go back to the fist thing you pasted, and lets start telling apt get what to install. for example try 'apt-get -t wheezy-backports install vlc vlc-nox libvlccore7' see if that helps it figure it out. |
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| 16:34.48 | TheWarden | guys, just to let you all know that have commented on my problem. I've used this method and installing from USB on 20+ systems and worked fine. So my method works just something gone wrong in this case.. UEFI or something like that maybe I messed up my PRESEED when doing the partiioning.. |
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| 16:35.18 | sandman13 | somiaj: that still gave me dependency error: vlc-data |
| 16:35.46 | sandman13 | somiaj: I added vlc-data and it is telling me that KDE related stuffs will be deleted |
| 16:36.24 | sandman13 | somiaj: it would be better for me if I don't update it, "If it doesn't break why fix?" policy |
| 16:37.26 | somiaj | sandman13: do you happen to have packages related to your system that are not installed from debian, you have a conflict somewhere, tracking it down is the hard part. |
| 16:38.08 | sandman13 | somiaj: does that count packages from contrib and non-free |
| 16:38.13 | somiaj | nope |
| 16:38.22 | somiaj | !tell sandman13 about non available |
| 16:38.26 | somiaj | !tell sandman13 about not available |
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| 16:38.44 | somiaj | sandman13: run that comand I had the bot send you and paste the output. |
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| 16:39.13 | sandman13 | somiaj: shows nothing |
| 16:40.07 | somiaj | sandman13: just for trial and error, remove the mozilla.debian.net sources from your sources.list (Comment it out), update and try again |
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| 16:40.30 | somiaj | sandman13: again Im just guessing now, I have just seen some clinflicts from m.d.n for some libs in the past. |
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| 16:40.39 | sandman13 | somiaj: let me try it |
| 16:40.50 | somiaj | sandman13: I just don't see any sources and apprentaly anything installed on your system that is obvsioually causing this conflict. |
| 16:41.21 | sandman13 | somiaj: it is fresh net install |
| 16:42.07 | somiaj | sandman13: yea I'm almost wondering if there is a bug related to the vlc security packages. My test system didn't have vlc installed so I didn't see any problems installing the version from backports. |
| 16:42.32 | somiaj | sandman13: but I'm at a loss, and can't seem to see any obvious problem with your setup. |
| 16:42.41 | sandman13 | somiaj: nope same thing still asking me to remove before mentioned packages |
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| 16:43.31 | somiaj | sandman13: The last thing I would try is remove vlc, and then try to install it from backports without it being installed. (again just guessing as I don't see any obvious conflicts on your system) |
| 16:43.36 | sandman13 | somiaj: I have successfully installed it on Debian 7 with Openbox |
| 16:43.43 | sandman13 | in the past |
| 16:44.04 | sandman13 | somiaj: let's try |
| 16:44.18 | somiaj | sandman13: It is some version conflict and not sure where that conflict is. My best guess is the recent security packages as they are the new thing on your system. |
| 16:44.48 | sandman13 | somiaj: I guess it's the integration of VLC with KDE |
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| 16:45.49 | somiaj | sandman13: The only way to fix this (and then file a good bug report) is track down exactly what libaries/versions are conflicting and not allowing this sintall to happen. |
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| 16:46.27 | sandman13 | somiaj: how do i file one? Bug reporting tool? |
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| 17:00.32 | e^0 | which is the default DE for debain atm ? |
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| 17:00.47 | jelly-home | e^0: gnome |
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| 17:01.18 | e^0 | jelly-home: it must be without gnome-shell ? or it full-blown gnome enviourment ? |
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| 17:02.00 | e^0 | sorry not gnome-shell, if gnome-shell is not there than gnome would not work :) |
| 17:02.08 | jelly-home | e^0: proper gnome I guess |
| 17:02.18 | jelly-home | I do not use it, personally |
| 17:02.44 | e^0 | ok i thought, it would be something like how it look like fallback mode |
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| 17:02.48 | e^0 | jelly-home: which one do you use ? |
| 17:02.49 | SynrG | e^0: the gnome DE will attempt to use gnome-shell if the hardware/driver supports it |
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| 17:02.59 | SynrG | e^0: otherwise, will fall back to fallback mode |
| 17:03.07 | e^0 | SynrG: ok :) |
| 17:03.11 | SynrG | which is pretty horrible in wheezy, imho |
| 17:03.17 | SynrG | but not quite so bad in jessie |
| 17:03.36 | SynrG | but other desktops are easy to install from netinst. go into advanced otpions |
| 17:03.41 | e^0 | what's the name of version 7 ? |
| 17:03.44 | SynrG | just select whatever desktop you like |
| 17:03.46 | SynrG | wheezy |
| 17:03.59 | e^0 | ok |
| 17:04.20 | jelly-home | e^0: what I use doesn't matter, since I ignore most DE components anyway |
| 17:04.25 | SynrG | some cards will need non-free firmware to work, or even non-free driver. |
| 17:04.29 | e^0 | i would like to stick to cli interface |
| 17:04.41 | e^0 | jelly-home: ok np :) |
| 17:04.43 | SynrG | you can uncheck the 'desktop' option when you install, then. |
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| 17:04.55 | SynrG | it's selected by default, but it will ask you before installing it. |
| 17:05.11 | e^0 | SynrG: yeah did, is their ncurses based interface similar to synaptic ? |
| 17:05.23 | SynrG | "their"? |
| 17:05.36 | jelly-home | the best CLI is lots of xterms CLI :-) |
| 17:06.00 | SynrG | e^0: your question confuses me ... |
| 17:06.15 | SynrG | e^0: there is a curses-based interface for aptitude. i don't use it, however. |
| 17:06.23 | e^0 | SynrG: sorry for my bad communication |
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| 17:06.50 | e^0 | SynrG: ok |
| 17:06.53 | SynrG | e^0: the installer doesn't dump you into aptitude, though ... it just asks some crude categories (called 'tasks') |
| 17:07.22 | SynrG | the TUI there is 'tasksel' |
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| 17:08.10 | e^0 | SynrG: yeah tasksel correct, i was looking for tasksel |
| 17:08.18 | e^0 | finally debain installed ;D |
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| 17:09.33 | e^0 | now need to get familiar with aptitude commands |
| 17:09.54 | e^0 | will that be ok if i ignore aptitude and use apt-get ? |
| 17:10.05 | e^0 | ok learning aptitude will be beneficial |
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| 17:12.30 | e^0 | ok will learn both of them |
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| 17:37.38 | fephisto | I have a _lot_ of cruft in my debian system that has built up over the last five years or so. I'd like to really minimize my system, but don't want to horribly break it, nor do I want to spend hours combing through aptitude looking at packages one by one. What to do? |
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| 17:39.51 | jameshyde | Does anyone know how to workaround max 6 search domain limit in /etc/resolv.conf without the need to recompile glibc? |
| 17:41.39 | fephisto | The standard 8.8.8.8 doesn't work? |
| 17:41.55 | shingouz | works here... |
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| 17:42.05 | abrotman | jameshyde: how many do you need? |
| 17:42.11 | abrotman | fephisto: and that's not standard |
| 17:42.21 | jameshyde | abrotman: more than 6 |
| 17:42.27 | abrotman | .. |
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| 17:44.20 | linuxthefish | why do i have crap mirror? :( |
| 17:44.21 | linuxthefish | Hit http://debian.yeasoft.net wheezy/non-free amd64 Packages |
| 17:44.50 | linuxthefish | and it's not in /etc/apt/sources.list :/ |
| 17:44.53 | abrotman | linuxthefish: use http.debian.net |
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| 17:45.27 | linuxthefish | abrotman i'm trying to! |
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| 17:46.22 | hxla | Hello guys, I pretend to run gnome on raspbian, or at least some parts of it, more precisely I'd like to run the settings window under openbox, is there a way to just install this part? Thanks |
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| 17:47.01 | somiaj | !raspbian |
| 17:47.01 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 17:47.19 | somiaj | hxla: for raspbian support please see the above factoid. |
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| 17:47.25 | hxla | Thanks somiaj |
| 17:47.29 | paca_paca|3 | hello. i have ssh access to my available server and dont have access to my debian server. i want to ssh from my working server to my blocked server. i have set up the key pair before the block happend and now i made it connect. the connection lasted too little time for me to use it. it only said the standard opening statement when opening ssh session and "Connection to MY_IP_ADDRESS closed" |
| 17:47.39 | paca_paca|3 | how can i make the connection last? |
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| 17:48.31 | linuxthefish | dpkg --add-architecture -r i386 |
| 17:48.31 | linuxthefish | dpkg: error: conflicting actions -r (--remove) and (--add-architecture) |
| 17:48.31 | dpkg | gets an architect to start planning a new hppa processor |
| 17:48.48 | Bombo | hm is it possible to build a deb package out of an installed package? lets say i installed somepackage.deb a while ago, deleted it, can't find it again, but it's still installed, how would i make a .deb again |
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| 17:50.59 | e^0 | i did `adduser foo sudo` still the user foo hasn't got the sudo rights |
| 17:51.50 | somiaj | linuxthefish: the error message seems fairly self explanatory, what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:52.20 | somiaj | Bombo: no you will need to reget the source you use and recreate the package form that. |
| 17:52.49 | somiaj | Bombo: you could get a complete list of all files that package owns and say copy/tar them up, but what package is this and what are you really trying to do? |
| 17:53.23 | kyriakos29102001 | Hello i installed Debian in one hard drive and Windows in another hard drive now it boots only Windows and it doesnt show me debian |
| 17:53.24 | Bombo | somiaj: right, but what if i couldn't find the source again |
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| 17:54.14 | Bombo | somiaj: with tar ok, but i want to know if its possible to build a deb again |
| 17:54.22 | somiaj | Bombo: I think it would be a hack since the binaries on your system may not work on another system, but you can get a complete list of all the files and copy them over. |
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| 17:54.25 | jmcnaught | e^0: did you log out and log back in? a login is required for group changes to take effect |
| 17:54.28 | nkuttler | kyriakos29102001: you need to install grub in the mbr, chainload windows, etc |
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| 17:54.54 | somiaj | Bombo: I'm sure if you understood how debs work you could recreate it. |
| 17:54.58 | kyriakos29102001 | how @nkuttler |
| 17:54.59 | nkuttler | kyriakos29102001: though ideally grub should find your windows partition if you just reinstall it |
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| 17:55.37 | e^0 | jmcnaught: let me do it |
| 17:55.40 | nkuttler | kyriakos29102001: boot your linux using a grub cd for example, and use grub-install |
| 17:55.46 | kyriakos29102001 | OK |
| 17:55.50 | Neobenedict | sigh |
| 17:55.51 | nkuttler | as for detecting windows, that's some script iirc, not sure how to call that |
| 17:55.56 | Neobenedict | i just did sudo apt-get install sudo |
| 17:56.00 | Neobenedict | lol |
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| 17:56.20 | Bombo | somiaj: ok but lets say it's the same system ;) so same binaries would work, just cp them is not good because i want to have them in dpkg -l for -r e.g. |
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| 17:56.55 | kyriakos29102001 | tHANKS@ |
| 17:56.55 | kyriakos29102001 | ! |
| 17:56.55 | kyriakos29102001 | Bye |
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| 17:57.48 | Bombo | somiaj: ok i need a debian/control file and such... i don't know if that can be built automatically, because the info was stored somewhere, when i installed it |
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| 17:58.52 | salah_ | hey guys :) |
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| 17:59.59 | Bombo | somiaj: i mean, i want to know if i can get the info (control etc) files that i need to build a deb somehow |
| 18:00.04 | salah_ | I would like to know the local ip adresses of different computers connect to my wifi router from the command line, is that possible ? if yes, how ? |
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| 18:03.36 | e^0 | jmcnaught: i did still it doesnt works |
| 18:03.58 | e^0 | do i need to add the user in /etc/sudoers file ? |
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| 18:05.38 | e^0 | added myself to sudoers and it worked |
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| 18:11.41 | jmcnaught | e^0: hopefully you used "visudo" to do that. If you use the "groups" command as that user, is sudo listed? Maybe the sudo group wasn't in sudoers? Which release of Debian are you using? |
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| 18:13.07 | shingouz | Bombo: i think there was some tool that can do the repackaging, i just do not remember what it was called. i had to do a repackage once ages ago and the tool actually worked. i'm trying to google the thing up for you |
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| 18:15.15 | shingouz | Bombo: dpkg-repack |
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| 18:15.56 | e^0 | jmcnaught: i am using debian 7.4 |
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| 18:17.08 | e^0 | jmcnaught: prob solved i had to restart and reinstalled sudo and all done :) |
| 18:17.22 | jmcnaught | e^0: well it sounds like editing sudoers worked for you. Whenever you edit that file you should use "visudo" in case you didn't already now. As for group changes, you need to completely logout and log back in. Relaunching a terminal is not enough. |
| 18:17.27 | shingouz | Bombo: also: apt-clone but that is not quite what you are looking for |
| 18:17.53 | e^0 | jmcnaught: ok :) |
| 18:18.12 | e^0 | thanks for that additional info , that will help me in future |
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| 18:24.13 | ph4n70md | Hi |
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| 18:25.01 | Bombo | shingouz: nice! thx! ;) |
| 18:25.49 | shingouz | hope it works for you. ymmv |
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| 18:30.29 | temhaa | hi |
| 18:30.57 | temhaa | I have lxc containers on debian machine |
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| 18:31.18 | temhaa | I want 80. port redirect main machine to one lxc container 80 port |
| 18:31.54 | temhaa | I used iptables |
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| 18:32.21 | temhaa | But my question is main machine is not installed apache so 80 port is closed |
| 18:32.54 | temhaa | how can I open 80 port on main machine without install apache |
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| 18:34.16 | Bombo | temhaa: netcat |
| 18:34.39 | Bombo | temhaa: netcat -l -p 80 |
| 18:34.54 | Bombo | temhaa: listens on port 80 (if that is what you mean) |
| 18:35.17 | temhaa | Bombo, can I run as daemon |
| 18:35.21 | Bombo | temhaa: you can try connect then, you see output |
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| 18:35.39 | Bombo | temhaa: you want it for testing? |
| 18:35.59 | temhaa | Bombo, not testing |
| 18:36.12 | Bombo | temhaa: what do you need it for then? |
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| 18:36.40 | temhaa | Bombo, I want web server my lxc container |
| 18:37.14 | temhaa | Bombo, I wrote iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.11:80 |
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| 18:37.48 | temhaa | Bombo, my main machine not listen 80 port. But 192.168.1.11 listen 80 port |
| 18:38.07 | Bombo | temhaa: looks ok |
| 18:38.39 | temhaa | Bombo, netcat is works but not continuous |
| 18:41.06 | Bombo | temhaa: netcat on 192.168.1.11? |
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| 18:41.25 | Bombo | temhaa: you got an apache running on 192.168.1.11 |
| 18:42.02 | temhaa | Bombo, apache running on 192.168.1.11 |
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| 18:42.32 | Bombo | temhaa: can you reach it from main? and you want to reach it from outside also? |
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| 18:43.16 | n-st_ | hi, is there any reason why the debian installer creates the swap partition as a logical (instead of a primary) partition by default? |
| 18:43.18 | temhaa | Bombo, for example main machine has x.x.x.x public ip. I want access 192.168.1.11:80 for this write browser x.x.x.x:80 |
| 18:44.10 | Bombo | temhaa: can you access 192.168.1.11:80 from main browser? |
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| 18:44.59 | temhaa | Bombo, no. But I can access from main machine. my machine on digital ocean. just access main machine from browser |
| 18:45.06 | temhaa | Bombo, :)ü |
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| 18:46.28 | Bombo | temhaa: so you mean 'yes' ;) |
| 18:46.41 | Bombo | temhaa: yes but no but yes? |
| 18:46.55 | Bombo | temhaa: what ocean? |
| 18:47.01 | skibur | Very Interesting.... |
| 18:47.23 | skibur | LEAVE |
| 18:47.28 | temhaa | Bombo, digital ocean is https://www.digitalocean.com/ :) |
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| 18:48.28 | Bombo | temhaa: oh, cloud, ok |
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| 18:49.46 | Bombo | temhaa: so you got a lxc machine running there? |
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| 18:50.33 | temhaa | Bombo, yes. |
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| 18:50.59 | temhaa | Bombo, installed web server to lxc |
| 18:51.06 | vlt | Hello. Is it still impossible nowadays to grow a raid10 array even if I have increased the size of all members? |
| 18:51.07 | Bombo | temhaa: but you can't access from outside |
| 18:51.13 | temhaa | Bombo, yes |
| 18:51.53 | Bombo | temhaa: you sure they don't block it somehow? firewall? |
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| 18:52.07 | Bombo | temhaa: where did you type the iptables line? |
| 18:52.23 | Bombo | temhaa: where is the 'main' machine? your home? |
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| 18:53.33 | temhaa | Bombo, I typed main machine. no my home. no lxc container |
| 18:54.02 | aramus | Hello, I currently have 18 nodes and 15 of them are 64bit and the other 3 are 32bit, I have the 15 64bit booting off of the master via NFS and now I need to get the other 3 to boot using a 32bit share. I am wondering how i can obtian the vmlinuz-3.12-0 i386 to complete my setup. thank you |
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| 18:54.39 | Bombo | temhaa: where is it then? ;) |
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| 18:55.08 | jmcnaught | Bombo: it sounds to me like temhaa has a VPS (the "main machine"), on the VPS there is an LXC container running a website. The container is on a private IP. When a request comes into port 80 on the VPS, temhaa wants it forwarded to the LXC container's private IP address. |
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| 18:56.11 | temhaa | jmcnaught, You have a very good summary Bombo |
| 18:56.12 | Bombo | jmcnaught: probably |
| 18:56.23 | Bombo | temhaa: ok |
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| 18:56.48 | temhaa | jmcnaught, Bombo sorry my english is bad. |
| 18:56.55 | nea1 | hi, can someone help me, i have a problem on my server - br0 isn't coming up |
| 18:57.05 | nea1 | i first have to enter brctl addbr br0 |
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| 18:57.12 | nea1 | then it works (ifup br0 |
| 18:58.29 | Bombo | temhaa: so from the VPS.main you can browse to the lxc.apache, aand can you access port 80 from outside to VPS.main? |
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| 18:59.08 | Bombo | temhaa: no matter my english is also bad, so minus*minus=plus? ;) |
| 18:59.50 | temhaa | Bombo, I can not access port 80 of VPS.main. exactly I asking this |
| 18:59.51 | Bombo | temhaa: when you do netcat -l -p 80 on main. can you access from home |
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| 19:00.11 | temhaa | Bombo, minus*minus=plus is good:) |
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| 19:00.36 | mad_hatter | Anyone know why libreoffice jacks up .docx files? |
| 19:01.12 | Bombo | temhaa: if that doesn't work, the problem is not the lxc, and not the iptables line, but firewall |
| 19:01.44 | Bombo | (which could be a iptables line also ;) |
| 19:02.08 | Nik05 | mad_hatter because microsoft doesnt like open formats so libreoffice need to reverse engineer and something fucks something up? And maybe microsoft changes stuff in the format without letting them know. |
| 19:02.20 | zykotick9 | nea1: my notes on the subject http://paste.debian.net/108958/ |
| 19:02.33 | jmcnaught | mad_hatter: it's mostly because MS made the .docx file format extremely difficult to comprehend. Their implementation doesn't even conform to the "open standard" that they submitted |
| 19:02.33 | Bombo | temhaa: i use netcat for testing if a port is open/gets through |
| 19:02.42 | temhaa | Bombo, I run netcat. I see netstat output and I run on VPS.main: telnet 127.0.0.1 80 its works but Can not access from outside |
| 19:02.47 | zykotick9 | nea1: ^ assumes you use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:02.58 | temhaa | Bombo, telnet outpus is connection refused |
| 19:03.12 | Bombo | temhaa: firewall |
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| 19:03.29 | Bombo | temhaa: see iptables -L -n |
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| 19:03.54 | Bombo | temhaa: or the web interface for the VPS maybe |
| 19:04.04 | temhaa | Bombo, I think not |
| 19:05.08 | Bombo | temhaa: something is blocking the port |
| 19:05.45 | mad_hatter | jmcnaught, anyway i can decipher this into readable language? lol |
| 19:05.46 | Bombo | temhaa: some policy, either firewall or company won't allow it? |
| 19:05.49 | mad_hatter | with libreoffice? |
| 19:06.17 | Bombo | temhaa: how do you connect to the main? ssh? |
| 19:06.32 | jmcnaught | mad_hatter: not sure what the exact issue you're having is. I don't deal with .docx files all that often, but usually I find the issue is font/format related. |
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| 19:08.05 | temhaa | Bombo, I access with public ip |
| 19:08.28 | Bombo | temhaa: with web browser? |
| 19:08.29 | jmcnaught | mad_hatter: if you're using Wheezy, you could maybe try the newer version of Libreoffice in wheezy-backports. The "ttf-mscorefonts-installer" package in contrib might help with getting the correct fonts (it downloads the non-free MS fonts) |
| 19:08.31 | temhaa | Bombo, I think work when installed apache |
| 19:08.50 | temhaa | Bombo, I can not access VPS with browser |
| 19:08.54 | nea1 | whant is the problem if br0 doesn't come up (brctl addbr br0 && ifup br0 works - and bridge-utils are installed) |
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| 19:09.23 | Bombo | temhaa: try port 81, netcat -l -p 81 can you access from outside? |
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| 19:11.28 | zykotick9 | nea1: do you have "auto br0" in your interfaces file? |
| 19:11.56 | temhaa | Bombo, I tried 81 port .its work. I can access from outside. but 80 port doesnt work. |
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| 19:12.32 | Bombo | temhaa: ok then it's something else ;) |
| 19:14.19 | Bombo | temhaa: can you start netcat -l -p 81 on lxc, you can reach from main? |
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| 19:16.15 | nea1 | dhcp on bridge failes -.- |
| 19:16.24 | temhaa | Bombo, hmm didnt work |
| 19:16.25 | nea1 | doesn't bring bridge up |
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| 19:16.32 | temhaa | Bombo, iptables is wrong |
| 19:16.36 | temhaa | Bombo, :) |
| 19:17.14 | Bombo | temhaa: probably |
| 19:17.24 | zykotick9 | if nea1 returns, perhaps explaining "auto br0" means bring up automatically and not dhcp... might help? |
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| 19:18.47 | mad_hatter | jmcnaught, |
| 19:18.51 | mad_hatter | that fixed me up |
| 19:18.52 | mad_hatter | thanks |
| 19:19.51 | Bombo | temhaa: but didn't you say, from main to lxc port 80 works? |
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| 19:20.30 | meek_geek | sup |
| 19:20.33 | temhaa | Bombo, I can access lxc port 80 from VPS.main |
| 19:20.53 | temhaa | Bombo, iptables rule is wrong |
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| 19:21.07 | Bombo | temhaa: fix it ;) |
| 19:22.12 | temhaa | Bombo, I fixed. |
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| 19:22.44 | temhaa | Bombo, iptables -F && iptables iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.11:80 |
| 19:23.17 | temhaa | Bombo, thanks for everthing |
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| 19:23.31 | Bombo | temhaa: what? does it work now? |
| 19:24.09 | temhaa | Bombo, I flushed all rules on iptables |
| 19:24.19 | temhaa | Bombo, after its worked |
| 19:24.22 | Bombo | temhaa: so it was the firewall on main |
| 19:24.26 | Bombo | temhaa: ok ;) |
| 19:24.30 | temhaa | Bombo, yes |
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| 19:25.24 | Bombo | temhaa: you probably should just allow port 80, now the main vps is fully open ;) |
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| 19:26.34 | Bombo | temhaa: (if you got other daemons running on main) |
| 19:26.52 | temhaa | Bombo, can i ask you. what is your experience in debian or linux? I'm new. I have a lot to learn |
| 19:27.08 | Bombo | temhaa: (see with netstat -nlp) |
| 19:27.22 | temhaa | Bombo, netcat not need directly run :) |
| 19:27.47 | Bombo | temhaa: is good ;) using debian everywhere |
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| 19:28.34 | terr1 | Can anyone recommend a good bandwidth monitor web interface? |
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| 19:29.09 | Bombo | temhaa: you know, flush iptables == firewall disabled |
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| 19:31.12 | shay_shay | temhaa: check out this book: http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php (its free for download) |
| 19:31.14 | tnks | okay, just now catching up with the migration to systemd |
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| 19:31.38 | tnks | and I see that there's /both/ a /etc/init/ssh.conf as well as a /etc/init.d/ssh on my system. |
| 19:31.57 | tnks | but not sure what prevents the later from being used. |
| 19:31.58 | temhaa | Bombo, yes I know |
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| 19:32.53 | shay_shay | There's a series of symlinks there for the transition period. |
| 19:33.18 | tnks | shay_shay: you talking about my question? |
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| 19:34.10 | day_ | i was wondering, every application is started by a user. what if the user logs off. What do i have to do to keep programs running? |
| 19:34.22 | mad_hatter | jmcnaught, maybe you could help with this also: I'm trying to set up dual monitors and I'm getting an error from xrandr: http://pastie.org/9372373 |
| 19:34.37 | temhaa | shay_shay, thanks |
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| 19:36.09 | jmcnaught | mad_hatter: sorry i don't know much about xrandr, but maybe someone else will know. Dual monitors "just work" for me :) |
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| 19:38.33 | tremon | mad_hatter: you don't have dual outputs, according to that paste |
| 19:38.45 | fryguy | mad_hatter: what graphics driver are you using? |
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| 19:38.50 | KaaK | how can i get apt to never remove a specific package? |
| 19:38.54 | tremon | are you running on the (default) vesa driver? |
| 19:39.02 | mad_hatter | tremon: apparently |
| 19:39.14 | mad_hatter | lemme do lspci right quick and ill paste the output |
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| 19:40.13 | tremon | KaaK: why? apt already never removes packages unless you explicitly issue dist-upgrade or purge/remove |
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| 19:40.39 | tremon | mad_hatter: pasting your most recent Xorg.log could also help |
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| 19:41.11 | KaaK | tremon, i'm upgrade pacakge A, and it is wanting to remove package B |
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| 19:41.19 | KaaK | i want to keep package B |
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| 19:42.10 | mad_hatter | tremon: here's the output from lshw for 'display': http://pastie.org/9372383 |
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| 19:42.57 | tremon | KaaK: ok, then probably package A conflicts with or replaces B. You can pin package A at -1 to avoid apt trying to install it. But usually packages don't displace eachother unless there's an upgrade path. Which packages are we talking about? |
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| 19:44.32 | tremon | mad_hatter: I guessed as much, we had someone asking here last week as well. This is 4th-gen Intel graphics, right? IIRC Debian stable doesn't have a recent enough X driver for that |
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| 19:45.45 | mad_hatter | tremon: not in backports either? |
| 19:46.53 | tremon | sadly, no. The linux kernel is in backports, but upgrading only the kernel didn't help for last week. ymmv of course |
| 19:47.22 | mad_hatter | hmm |
| 19:47.26 | KaaK | tremon, these are internal packages ... which is probably a part of the dependency-hell. Basically, package B is a meta-package that depends on package A. I'm currently in a situation where A needs to be upgraded to A`, but B needs to remain at B (i.e. not upgrade to B`) |
| 19:47.32 | mad_hatter | what about pointing sources to jessie? |
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| 19:48.10 | tremon | that would work, but you would need to do a full dist-upgrade from stable to testing, with all the challenges that brings |
| 19:48.16 | jmcnaught | mad_hatter: if you're going to do that, go completely jessie. A mix of wheezy and jessie is no good |
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| 19:48.33 | mad_hatter | is there a wiki on going completely jessie |
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| 19:49.01 | tremon | it may work perfectly one day, then break the next. It's certainly doable (I'm running jessie on my desktop), but it's your call |
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| 19:49.24 | tremon | (and jftr, the current -testing cycle hasn't broken on me at all) |
| 19:49.35 | shay_shay | mad_hatter: only thing you might need to donisbupgrade to systemd. Gnome 3.8 for example has some things broken without it, same with mate 1.8 |
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| 19:49.53 | shay_shay | Do is upgrade* |
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| 19:50.03 | mad_hatter | well...its for my workstation in the office... |
| 19:50.07 | jmcnaught | ,checkbackport xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 19:50.08 | judd | Backporting package xserver-xorg-video-intel in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 19:50.30 | shay_shay | That's a neat trick jmcnaught |
| 19:50.45 | mad_hatter | I'm a programmer and it's very nice to have dual monitors so I can have my sql browser up on one monitor and vim/terminals up in the other |
| 19:50.49 | jmcnaught | mad_hatter: you might be able to use kernel from wheezy-backports, then backport xserver-xorg-video-intel yourself |
| 19:50.50 | tremon | jmcnaught: do you think it's possible to backport the driver without backporting the X server? I hadn't thought of that |
| 19:51.11 | mad_hatter | jmcnaught, i think i tried that earlier |
| 19:51.46 | jmcnaught | tremon: i don't know really. i did notice that squeeze-backports got some backported xserver drivers, but i didn't investigate far enough to see what else was backported |
| 19:52.31 | tremon | mad_hatter: there is https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting, but it's not comprehensive |
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| 19:52.57 | mad_hatter | hmm...several lines of thought going on here...so could I just backport xserver altogether? |
| 19:53.01 | tremon | normally I would point you to release notes but they're obviously still under construction :) |
| 19:53.16 | tremon | ,check-backport xserver-xorg-core |
| 19:53.22 | judd | Backporting package xserver-xorg-core in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: x11proto-core-dev (>= 7.0.26), x11proto-fonts-dev (>= 2.1.3), x11proto-randr-dev (>= 1.4.0), x11proto-xext-dev (>= 7.2.99.901), x11proto-present-dev, x11proto-dri3-dev, xtrans-dev (>= 1.3.3), x11proto-input-dev (>= 2.3), x11proto-dri2-dev (>= 2.8), libpixman-1-dev (>= 0.27.2), x11proto-gl-dev |
| 19:53.23 | judd | (>= 1.4.17), libgl1-mesa-dev (>= 9.2), libx11-dev (>= 2:1.6), libxi-dev (>= 2:1.6.99.1), libxshmfence-dev (>= 1.1) [!hurd-i386], libepoxy-dev [linux-any kfreebsd-any]. |
| 19:53.31 | tremon | mad_hatter: only if you're comfortable backporting that list of packages as well |
| 19:53.47 | mad_hatter | and then I'd have support for my driver? |
| 19:54.15 | tremon | yes, you should have (disclaimer: I don't have your hardware) |
| 19:54.23 | mad_hatter | lol |
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| 19:54.50 | shay_shay | Does anyone know what mechanism ,check-backport uses? Can this be done on a Debian system? |
| 19:54.55 | mad_hatter | so just: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install xserver-xorg-core then? |
| 19:55.12 | jmcnaught | !tell mad_hatter -about ssb |
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| 19:55.47 | jmcnaught | mad_hatter: that command only works if it's already been backported. For stuff not already in wheezy-backports, see the instructions the dpkg bot just msged you |
| 19:55.51 | tremon | KaaK: and you want this to happen with a regular apt-get (dist-)upgrade, or can you force the package through scripting with dpkg -i? |
| 19:55.54 | MachinaeWolf | Is it possible to have 1 soundcard and have alsa have sound on multiple apps? If so I'm seriously considering ditching pulse. |
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| 19:56.00 | Alone_n_Poor | helloo |
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| 19:56.58 | Alone_n_Poor | somebody can resolve my doubt problem? |
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| 19:57.09 | tremon | MachinaeWolf: you can, by using the alsa dmix plugin. It's underdocumented, but you can start here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Asoundrc |
| 19:57.17 | dokma | just installed java 8 on debian for Eclipse Luna and now Eclipse is really ugly |
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| 19:57.36 | dokma | controls are just bulky and I have a feeling I should be able to change that somehow |
| 19:57.50 | MachinaeWolf | ok cool tremon |
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| 19:58.27 | Alone_n_Poor | I'm looking for a DE for me, I've tried i3wm, gnome, kde, xfce, lxde, awesome... and the most I like was COMPIZ but the project still dead... what I can do? |
| 19:58.43 | Alone_n_Poor | "de" or "wm", I don't care |
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| 19:58.59 | dokma | anyone got any idea where does this ugliness come from? http://david.evorion.hr/ugliness.png |
| 19:59.08 | dokma | and how to get away from it? |
| 19:59.12 | gregor2 | i have a problem! |
| 19:59.27 | gregor2 | how can i save my configuration in nvidia-settings? |
| 20:00.16 | tremon | dokma: and it worked fine under java 7? |
| 20:00.25 | dokma | java 6 |
| 20:00.34 | dokma | I jumped from 6 to 8 a few minutes ago |
| 20:00.37 | mad_hatter | jmcnaught, first of all I'm having trouble understanding how to check for a backport on <debian-backports> via commnd-line |
| 20:00.44 | dokma | I can revert it back to java 6 and see how it looks then |
| 20:01.45 | dokma | ahhh... blimy... it doesn't work under java 6 |
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| 20:01.57 | jmcnaught | mad_hatter: have you added backports to your sources.list as described at http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ ? If so, when you do "apt-cache policy <packagename>" it should show if there's a version available from backports |
| 20:01.57 | tremon | dokma: I have no way to verify this, but my guess would be that java 8 is using gtk3 whereas java6 was using gtk2. If you're not running gnome (or maybe even if are), the look&feel configuration for both is entirely separate |
| 20:02.21 | dokma | I run xfce4 |
| 20:02.35 | tremon | mad_hatter: and run apt-get update between editing sources.list and running apt-cache policy |
| 20:02.37 | dokma | any way to switch java 8 back to gtk2 ? |
| 20:02.56 | jmcnaught | mad_hatter: also for dpkg factoids, anything <between angle braces> are keys you can type into the dpkg query window to get more information |
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| 20:03.54 | Alone_n_Poor | I like compiz but the project is dead so I'm searching for my perfect de or wm, so Openbox looks nice alternative but the project appear as semi deprecated too! |
| 20:03.59 | mad_hatter | jmcnaught, it doesn't look like there is a newer version of xserver-xorg-core in backports |
| 20:04.51 | jmcnaught | mad_hatter: no, i don't think there is. You could try following dpkg's <ssb> instructions for xserver-xorg-core, but you'd also have to do all the dependencies for that package that were listed by judd above |
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| 20:05.23 | mad_hatter | holy balls...yeah def. not doing that |
| 20:05.26 | shay_shay | I tried to do stuff like that before, always ended in tears |
| 20:05.48 | tremon | dokma: no. Porting an application from gtk2 to gtk3 involves rewriting the code. If you have the time and ability to undo the rewrite, you're welcome to try of course. But there are better things to spend your time on |
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| 20:06.10 | dokma | tremon, thanks! |
| 20:06.17 | dokma | I'll try a gtk3 theme |
| 20:06.49 | tremon | dokma: that's probably your best bet :) |
| 20:06.56 | Alone_n_Poor | Trellmor: which wm or de do you use? |
| 20:07.02 | jmcnaught | mad_hatter: upgrading to jessie is an option, but keep in mind it's unfinished and stuff will break from time to time. It's not really intended for end users, but lots of people still use it anyways |
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| 20:07.18 | tremon | Alone_n_Poor: assuming you intended to ask me, I'm running xmonad |
| 20:07.28 | Alone_n_Poor | yep, sorry :P |
| 20:07.46 | Alone_n_Poor | xmonad looks nice but I'm not sure about its future |
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| 20:08.43 | tremon | Alone_n_Poor: as for which you should choose, it's really up to your taste and needs. I used to be a fan of ratpoison, I hate using the mouse :) |
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| 20:09.08 | jmcnaught | mad_hatter: i have a feeling that backporting xserver-xorg-video-intel by itself would not be enough |
| 20:09.27 | tremon | Alone_n_Poor: I've heard great things about awesome. Never tried it, but it might have a brighter future |
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| 20:10.46 | Alone_n_Poor | tremon: I wanna an updated, optimized (code) and customizable one |
| 20:10.57 | PaolaGirl | hello |
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| 20:11.49 | tremon | awesome does seem to fit that bill. Customizable in what way? scriptable or skinnable? |
| 20:12.09 | Alone_n_Poor | More skinnable than scriptable, but both |
| 20:12.29 | Neobenedict | hi guys, how I can I make it so the group 'storage' has full read/write control over /storage |
| 20:12.36 | PaolaGirl | can I installl kde just with apt-get install kde? |
| 20:12.40 | Neobenedict | p2p@cloudnine /storage $ ls -ld /storage/ |
| 20:12.40 | Neobenedict | drwxr-xr-x 3 root storage 4.0K Jul 9 19:50 /storage/ |
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| 20:12.50 | Neobenedict | I am in the storage group but cannot write to the folder |
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| 20:13.18 | jmcnaught | !tell PaolaGirl -about install kde |
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| 20:13.35 | jmcnaught | PaolaGirl: the dpkg bot has messaged you with instructions on installing KDE :) |
| 20:13.37 | tremon | Neobenedict: find /storage -execdir chmod -R 2775 '{}' + |
| 20:14.10 | PaolaGirl | jmcnaught yey, thanks!! |
| 20:14.47 | tremon | Neobenedict: you strictly only need the group write bit (g+w), but I always also set the group sticky but (g+s) so that files created in those folders also get the correct group |
| 20:14.49 | Alone_n_Poor | Openbox is nice, I'm bored of Compiz deprecation and bored of i3wm ugly appearance.... but I'm scared about openbox future |
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| 20:15.26 | Neobenedict | thanks treaki_ |
| 20:15.29 | Neobenedict | tremon* |
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| 20:15.48 | Neobenedict | tremon: will that also mean that user A can't touch user B's files in /storage |
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| 20:16.00 | kline | Hi all. I have a problem with iwlwifi on jessie, kernel 3.14. my connection is constantly flapping. ive attached some logs here: http://paste.debian.net/108966/ . Is anyone able to help? |
| 20:16.02 | Neobenedict | can't modify* |
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| 20:16.36 | tremon | Neobenedict: not it will not. I don't think it's possible to do that without acl's |
| 20:16.47 | Neobenedict | alright never mind then |
| 20:16.53 | tremon | you should also make sure that the users have their umask set to 002, not 022 otherwise newly created files can only be edited by the original user |
| 20:16.56 | Neobenedict | thanks |
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| 20:17.08 | sithfm | what's the easiest way to reinstall a single file from a debian package? I removed the /etc/awstats/awstats.conf file from the awstats package and now it's even more broken than before |
| 20:17.30 | Neobenedict | cat .bash_profile | grep umask |
| 20:17.30 | Neobenedict | umask 022 |
| 20:17.34 | sithfm | awstats keeps insisting there are no site visits and that it has a permissions error on /var/log/apache2/ssl_access.log |
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| 20:17.37 | Neobenedict | so that should be set to 2, tremon? |
| 20:17.43 | quitte_ | sithfm: you can extract the .deb to for example /tmp with dpkg |
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| 20:18.02 | tremon | Neobenedict: 002. It's octal, I don't think just "2" is a valid value |
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| 20:18.06 | Neobenedict | 002, yeah |
| 20:18.09 | Neobenedict | tremon: will that apply to all files or only files modified after it's changed |
| 20:18.33 | Neobenedict | after the umask is changed to 002. |
| 20:18.34 | tremon | Neobenedict: to all files *created* after it has been changed |
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| 20:19.01 | Neobenedict | okay, thanks. |
| 20:19.58 | sithfm | dpkg --unpack ? |
| 20:19.59 | dpkg | sithfm: i haven't a clue |
| 20:20.13 | jmcnaught | !tell sithfm about confmiss |
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| 20:20.33 | quitte_ | sithfm: -x iirc. dpkg --help |
| 20:20.40 | sithfm | ahh i breezed past confmiss |
| 20:20.41 | jmcnaught | sithfm: check the message from dpkg bot for a way to do this |
| 20:20.42 | sithfm | in the man |
| 20:21.10 | tremon | however, that will not just restore 1 conffile. If you deleted multiple, it will restore all of them |
| 20:21.11 | sithfm | yeah i don't want to do the package reinstall though |
| 20:21.33 | tremon | and just a note, don't run dpkg -x as root. It will reset the ownership of the directory you're extracting in. for example, dpkg -x $deb /tmp will try to set /tmp to 755 |
| 20:22.19 | quitte_ | tremon: wtf? how is that not a security bug |
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| 20:23.20 | quitte_ | tremon: by extension that means that any package that has any directory permissions misconfigured will alter your filesystem permissions, doesn't it? |
| 20:23.27 | tremon | quitte_: it's never a security bug to give the system's superuser too much rope :) |
| 20:24.43 | quitte_ | it's kind of sad that there still is no user package management |
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| 20:25.14 | tremon | quitte_: yes, probably. But dpkg -x is never ran automatically, although it would be interesting to what would happen if you crafted a .deb with /usr/bin set to 777 and issues dpkg -i |
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| 20:25.37 | tremon | then again, that would only be an argument against installing untrusted .debs |
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| 20:26.20 | quitte_ | tremon: no. this would be an argument against installing buggy .debs. |
| 20:26.29 | quitte_ | mistakes happen |
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| 20:27.47 | sithfm | good lord awstats is hosed |
| 20:27.50 | sithfm | heh |
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| 20:35.11 | sithfm | ah, there we go |
| 20:35.33 | quitte_ | sithfm: ah package crafted that way will not change the usr/bin permissions. i just tried |
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| 20:36.29 | quitte_ | sorry |
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| 20:47.21 | kline | Hi all. I have a problem with iwlwifi on jessie, kernel 3.14. my connection is constantly flapping. ive attached some logs here: http://paste.debian.net/108966/ . Is anyone able to help? |
| 20:47.30 | jhutchins | sithfm: You might want to look at awffull. |
| 20:47.52 | jhutchins | sithfm: slightly less hosed slightly more of the time. |
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| 20:49.49 | Fooman2011 | Hello. I would like to install Debian Wheezy on a machine but there is no CD, DVD and no network. Is it possible using a USB Stick ? What is the correct iso to get ? |
| 20:50.19 | mtn | Fooman2011: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 20:50.27 | AimHere | Fooman2011, it is possible, yes |
| 20:50.32 | mtn | Fooman2011: any iso will work, I like the netinstall |
| 20:50.53 | AimHere | netinstall might be a bad plan given 'no network' |
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| 20:51.31 | AimHere | In that circumstance, get the biggest image with the mostest stuff |
| 20:51.40 | mtn | AimHere: good point. I guess he can't install anything since he can't download the iso, either :P |
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| 20:52.03 | Fooman2011 | It seems to have a usb stick install but it is not clear if it is an install way from USB or a way to get the OS on a USB stick and not on Hard Drive |
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| 20:53.04 | designs | running debian stable right now. im not trying to launch a space craft with this OS or anything like like, so I would my OS to be more modern and up to date, should I track testing or unstable? Which has the better support? |
| 20:53.05 | AimHere | Fooman2011, not a problem - the Debian Live Image does have a fairly friendly install-to-hard-drive option anyways, so you win no matter which you pick |
| 20:53.25 | mr_foobar_baz | trying to get a brother mfc-235C scanner working. I installed the drivers, sane, xsane... sane-find-scanner and scanimage -L find it, but when I try it with scanimage -T I get this: scanimage: open of device brother2:bus2;dev1 failed: Invalid argument |
| 20:53.30 | Fooman2011 | The DVD install is 3 iso files ? |
| 20:53.58 | mr_foobar_baz | in xsane I get the same error |
| 20:54.00 | designs | and Im not using this pc as a sever either, futher eliminating some of the best reasons to use "stable" |
| 20:54.04 | AimHere | Fooman2011, you only need the first DVD (or even CD) to get yourself a perfectly usable system; the most commonly used packages are always on the first CD/DVD |
| 20:54.42 | Fooman2011 | Ok so I create a bootable USB stick with the first ISO and it should be ok ? |
| 20:54.50 | AimHere | Yeap |
| 20:55.00 | Fooman2011 | ok thank you very much for the info :) |
| 20:55.14 | mtn | designs: neither testing or unstable are meant to be used as a distro. do some research and decide if they are for you or not |
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| 20:57.29 | designs | why not? I can name a few distros based on debian testing... |
| 20:57.31 | mr_foobar_baz | guys? any idea how to debug my scanner problem? |
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| 20:59.06 | mtn | designs: if you are talking to me, go do some research and you will learn "why not" |
| 20:59.40 | jmcnaught | mr_foobar_baz: from what i recall, the brother drivers require a udev rule so that regular users can access the scanner. That may or may not be the problem you're having. It's documented on the Brother website |
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| 21:00.31 | mr_foobar_baz | jmcnaught: yes I added the rule as well and rebooted |
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| 21:01.17 | iuz | Im using update-java-alternatives --set java-8-oracle |
| 21:01.47 | iuz | but my IntelliJ installation (looking for the java_home) still says It does not support openjdk6 |
| 21:02.01 | mr_foobar_baz | jmcnaught: the line I added at the end of /lib/udev/rules.d/60-libsane.rules: ATTRS{idVendor}=="04f9", ATTRS{idProduct}=="01d5", GROUP="scanner", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes" |
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| 21:02.15 | jhutchins | mr_foobar_baz: Check the device in /dev - there was one kernel that created a different device than xsane was looking for for that model - had to go into the xsane definitions and rename it. There was another time it was a matter of permissions (root could access, user could not). |
| 21:02.19 | mr_foobar_baz | jmcnaught: I added the user to the scanner group |
| 21:02.52 | jhutchins | mr_foobar_baz: there is also a "scan" group in current setups, user must join that group, log out, log back in. |
| 21:03.06 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: there is some definitions package that I didn't install because it said it was for ubuntu 9.04 and higher, so I assumed it was ubuntu only |
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| 21:03.28 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: well, as sudo it doesn't work either :/ |
| 21:03.48 | jhutchins | mr_foobar_baz: On my system the groups is "scan". |
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| 21:04.33 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: I don't even have a "scan" group, only "scanner" |
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| 21:05.02 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: what device am I looking for in /dev? |
| 21:05.12 | sympto | i just want to ask whether this article is up-to-date enough or not for stable. https://wiki.debian.org/openvpn%20for%20server%20and%20client |
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| 21:06.07 | jhutchins | mr_foobar_baz: varies, sorry. |
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| 21:06.40 | jhutchins | mr_foobar_baz: I see my current system upgraded from Lenny to Wheezy has both scan and scanner, saned is the only member of scanner. |
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| 21:07.18 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: wait, does the udev rule have to be before something like LABEL="libsane_rules_end" ? |
| 21:07.21 | jhutchins | .me is waking up the scanner to see what it creates. |
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| 21:09.20 | kline | Hi all. I have a problem with iwlwifi on jessie, kernel 3.14. my connection is constantly flapping. ive attached some logs here: http://paste.debian.net/108966/ . Is anyone able to help? |
| 21:09.27 | jhutchins | mr_foobar_baz: might be sg0 |
| 21:09.31 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: ah now if I move the line BEFORE the end label it gives me a segfault |
| 21:09.54 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: I just did service udev restart after changing the rule, is that enough or do i have to rebootr |
| 21:10.12 | jhutchins | mr_foobar_baz: No, that's CDs. Old scanner was scsi, this is USB... |
| 21:10.35 | jhutchins | mr_foobar_baz: USB scanner? |
| 21:10.38 | jmcnaught | kline: for jessie you might try asking in #debian-next on irc.debian.org (not freenode) |
| 21:10.50 | kline | jmcnaught: thank you :) |
| 21:11.08 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: yes |
| 21:11.14 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: replugged, now I get https://gist.github.com/anonymous/49713ffa38be2815f04b |
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| 21:13.04 | jhutchins | mr_foobar_baz: I know this is generally a bad idea, but what if you launch it as root? |
| 21:13.27 | jhutchins | mr_foobar_baz: gsudo or whatever. |
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| 21:14.28 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: just get the invalid argument line |
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| 21:16.58 | jhutchins | mr_foobar_baz: Not very helpful, is it. Is this thread any use? |
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| 21:17.19 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: what thread? |
| 21:17.36 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: the one I linked to? |
| 21:18.23 | jhutchins | mr_foobar_baz: Or possibly this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1909165 |
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| 21:21.52 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: not sure if it matters but I have this in my /var/log/syslog: Jul 9 23:17:04 localhost kernel: [ 2800.676605] usb 3-1: usbfs: interface 0 claimed by usblp while 'xsane' sets config #1 |
| 21:21.53 | mr_foobar_baz | Jul 9 23:17:04 localhost kernel: [ 2800.676628] usb 3-1: usbfs: process 12461 (xsane) did not claim interface 1 before use |
| 21:22.05 | mr_foobar_baz | sorry, is 2 lines paste too much? |
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| 21:23.14 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: the only .drc I have in .sane/xsane is for my webcam, which I don't care about |
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| 21:24.08 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: I should really go to sleep.. have to work tomorrow |
| 21:24.16 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: good night, thanks for the effor |
| 21:24.25 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: I'll be back tomorrow, probably. |
| 21:24.47 | jhutchins | mr_foobar_baz: G'nite, I got nothin' more for ya. |
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| 21:25.10 | jhutchins | mr_foobar_baz: Lots o' problems like this in ubuntu. |
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| 21:25.24 | mr_foobar_baz | jhutchins: fun stuff |
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| 21:35.55 | doubled | I want to connect a mic to my computer, then have it output to my headphones. What free programs should I use to do this? |
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| 21:49.26 | jhutchins | doubled: Should work with just the alsa mixer. |
| 21:50.20 | jhutchins | doubled: There are some decent audio editors I have useed for reording, but what really matters is which one seems sensible to you and what you're doing. |
| 21:50.31 | jhutchins | doubled: No escaping actually trying them out. |
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| 22:01.17 | dpkg | slaps mr_foobar_baz upside the head with a wet fish, courtesy of shay_shay |
| 22:03.59 | doubled | jhutchins: thanks |
| 22:04.01 | rryoumaa | aptitude seems stuck on "Resolving dependencies...". how long does this take? |
| 22:05.46 | phogg | rryoumaa: could be quite a while, depending on CPU, disk speed, size of your apt database, etc |
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| 22:07.02 | rryoumaa | phogg: i added mozilla.debian.net to sources.list and it's been more than half an hour |
| 22:07.43 | shay_shay | Kline++ |
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| 22:08.25 | phogg | rryoumaa: hard to say, that is quite long. It could be out to lunch. Inspect ps/top--is it using CPU? RAM? |
| 22:08.36 | BuFF | hi anyone using jessie? |
| 22:08.42 | phogg | rryoumaa: if it's not actively using CPU and the RAM usage is not fluctuating then it could be hung |
| 22:08.52 | kline | shay_shay, hm? |
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| 22:09.18 | phogg | kline: maybe he's a fan of the fine KDE game "KLines" |
| 22:09.31 | phogg | er, screensaver I guess not game |
| 22:09.36 | kline | maybe im a fan of the server ban "k-line" ;) |
| 22:09.38 | phogg | has such accurate memory |
| 22:09.47 | phogg | kline: Maybe he is, too! |
| 22:09.50 | rryoumaa | phogg: htop says there are 2 processes, both of which are taking 90% cpu and 90% mem |
| 22:09.59 | phogg | kline: I feel like I'm taking a chance just talking to you |
| 22:10.07 | kline | }:) |
| 22:10.30 | phogg | rryoumaa: it may still be stuck, but it's doing *something*... you can try giving it more time or killing and restarting |
| 22:10.32 | shay_shay | Horns? |
| 22:10.56 | phogg | shay_shay: clearly frightening devil horns |
| 22:11.01 | rryoumaa | just killed and restarted, to confirm that it is supposed to be 2 processes, i'll give it 1h |
| 22:11.23 | ryan_____ | Hello guys I just installed Debian and after when the setup reboots my laptop I get a error saying "no bootable disk" but when I put the USB in, it works then after that I press F12 and the system works what could this problem be caused by? |
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| 22:11.47 | shay_shay | Ryan your bios settings |
| 22:11.58 | ryan_____ | shay_shay: Meaning? |
| 22:12.18 | shay_shay | Make sure the correct disk is set to boot first. Your "boot order" |
| 22:12.32 | ryan_____ | 0K, I shall be right back |
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| 22:18.53 | shay_shay | 0K |
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| 22:21.38 | gribouille | hi |
| 22:22.04 | gribouille | libreoffice crashes on startup on jessie |
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| 22:26.27 | some-cowbell | I'm looking to get my sound working better... apparantly there is a driver and it's working (audacity works) but most other apps under kde are not. when I go to the prefs dialog, it mentions something called phonon, what's that? |
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| 22:34.07 | raspberrypifan | so i need a distro comptabiel with debian, but i dont wanna use debian itself. any ideas |
| 22:34.50 | some-cowbell | not-debian isn't on topic here; maybe ##linux? |
| 22:34.56 | digdilem | raspberrypifan, odd question. a distro is either debian or it isn't. |
| 22:35.21 | raspberrypifan | cant it be package comptable wtih debian but not actually debian? |
| 22:35.49 | some-cowbell | other dists are typically not compatible |
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| 22:35.57 | raspberrypifan | ah whys that |
| 22:36.09 | some-cowbell | because they do their own thing |
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| 22:38.14 | raspberrypifan | wouldnt package comptability be a plus |
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| 22:38.53 | digdilem | debian is 100% compatible with debian. that's enough. |
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| 22:39.15 | raspberrypifan | seems limited |
| 22:39.17 | digdilem | pick a distro for your own reasons, and one of those should be availability of the packages you want |
| 22:39.32 | some-cowbell | the other dist would have to follow debian closely, adhere to its policies and respond to bug reports from the bts... |
| 22:40.08 | some-cowbell | in short, a LOT of work |
| 22:40.24 | digdilem | it is possible to use packages from another distro, there are several tools available to port different package types - but compatibility is rarely guaranteed |
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| 22:40.43 | digdilem | dependancies, y'see |
| 22:40.57 | some-cowbell | the main thing with binaries is the libs they would use |
| 22:41.07 | raspberrypifan | ah |
| 22:43.14 | some-cowbell | the other part with binary compatibility is how they were compiled, and how the libs were compiled... it's possible to be absolutely incompatible, such that the binaries won't run at all |
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| 22:44.24 | raspberrypifan | i suppose thats never gonna change |
| 22:45.10 | some-cowbell | never is a strong word |
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| 22:45.49 | raspberrypifan | is anyone trying? |
| 22:45.57 | some-cowbell | dunno |
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| 22:46.06 | raspberrypifan | i guess not |
| 22:47.10 | some-cowbell | not sure why they would, since each other dist has their own policies, in terms of how the deps work and how things are compiled |
| 22:47.11 | f55384 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.42 | some-cowbell | how do you try to start it exactly? |
| 22:48.19 | raspberrypifan | idk make it android |
| 22:48.21 | f55384 | open a termial, type mc, enter |
| 22:48.23 | some-cowbell | to f55384 |
| 22:50.27 | f55384 | if i open a terminal an su - , then start mc it works fine. and if i log in as root and su <user> its slow again |
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| 22:51.36 | some-cowbell | how many different non-root users have you tried so far? |
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| 22:52.33 | f55384 | just 1, my own. but i ws thinking of making a new one just to test |
| 22:52.44 | some-cowbell | you should do that :) |
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| 22:54.57 | some-cowbell | I'm definitely not having that issue |
| 22:56.15 | abrotman | f55384: strace -o /tmp/mc.strace mc |
| 22:56.23 | abrotman | wait . no .. |
| 22:56.47 | abrotman | add a -t to show where it might be pausing |
| 22:57.17 | some-cowbell | you mean strace -t? or mc -t? |
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| 22:57.25 | abrotman | some-cowbell: read the man page, you tell me |
| 22:57.27 | f55384 | intersting, it works fine as a new user. oh i tried strace, no -t tho, thanks |
| 22:58.34 | some-cowbell | f55384: so then, it's something about the user you were using... like maybe preferences for mc or something that mc runs first, like a hook |
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| 23:02.55 | f55384 | oh, i feel reeeeeely dumb. its my bashrc |
| 23:03.10 | some-cowbell | what was it? |
| 23:04.29 | f55384 | i added a few functions to startx or fish shell, direclty to bashrc. cuz im lazy |
| 23:04.46 | abrotman | At least you were able to find it |
| 23:04.48 | rryoumaa | phogg: well, i can't run aptitude upgrade. it takes up all memory and makes the machine thrash and not respond to keyboard or mouse |
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| 23:06.41 | f55384 | oh its been killing me. google search just shows tons of dns issues causing a slow start |
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| 23:07.46 | abrotman | f55384: strace (and ltrace sometimes) are neat tools |
| 23:09.55 | f55384 | this is the first time ive heard of it, i really like it tho. |
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| 23:21.47 | Jarmer | Wondering if someone can help me out with a question on broken packages in the package manager. Basically when I install Retroshare directly with dpkg in terminal, the package manager refuses to do anything because it thinks it is a broken package. However, I can't even FIND the app in the package manger when I remove it. What gives? |
| 23:22.09 | Jarmer | how can I have retroshare installed at all if the package manager refuses to do anything when I install it manually? |
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| 23:24.57 | mtn | Jarmer: I am a bit confused. if you are using dpkg from the command line, where does the package manager come into play? |
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| 23:27.33 | Jarmer | hmm, yeah I guess that explanation might have been a bit confusing. Basically, originally, I couldn't find retroshare in the package manager, so I went to the website and downloaded the .deb. I installed it, all was well with the world. Then who know, maybe a week later I was trying to use the package manager to do OTHER things like updates, or whatever, and it refused to do anything because it thought the retroshare package was "broken" and demanded I remo |
| 23:27.33 | Jarmer | ve it |
| 23:27.56 | Jarmer | I'm confused as to how the package manager even lists it as "broken" if I installed it manually and can't even find it in a search |
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| 23:28.58 | abrotman | Jarmer: apt-get -f install ? |
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| 23:32.22 | Jarmer | abrotman: I'm kinda new to commands and installing packages without the gui manager, what exactly would that do ? |
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| 23:39.30 | jmcnaught | Jarmer: any time you're not sure what a command does, you can read the manual page for the command with "man apt-get" for example |
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| 23:41.32 | jmcnaught | Jarmer: I also suggest reading http://debian-handbook.info/ and https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/index.en.html both of which have a lot of coverage package management in Debian. |
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| 23:42.58 | Jarmer | jmcnaught: oh wow, that's really helpful! I didn't know about that. Okay so the -f command attempts to fix it. I don't think the package manager gui provided me with that option so maybe I should try to do it manually. |
| 23:43.04 | Jarmer | I will also take a look at those links now. |
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| 23:44.00 | jmcnaught | Jarmer: the "apropos" command can also help you find man pages. Those two books are pretty great, and can both be installed locally (they're available as packages) |
| 23:44.06 | mtn | Jarmer: the package manager, synaptic, does have that option. Edit--> Fix broken packages |
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| 23:45.24 | multi_io | how do you generally configure new kernels these days? oldconfig, allmodconfig, menuconfig? And if the latter, how do you carry over the old config? |
| 23:46.55 | multi_io | I just ran oldconfig in a newly installed (3.14) source tree, and just hit enter on every question, and then noticed that V4L was completely gone from the .config. Is this to be expected? |
| 23:47.08 | multi_io | (old kernel is a 3.2.12) |
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| 23:51.45 | Jarmer | Jmcnaught @ mtn: both very helpful. Okay I will go read a bunch of new info and also try to fix the broken package with the gui. Thank you both very much! |
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