| 00:00.02 | jmcnaught | asne: well IRC is not a substitute for reading the documentation. it's a supplement for after you've read the documentation. |
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| 00:01.43 | asne | I will read next time but that won't help because of my intelligence , i am going to special school so i am able to do some things lucky for me though |
| 00:02.00 | asne | And i am not social in real life main reason :) |
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| 00:04.57 | jmcnaught | asne: Well if you keep trying and keep reading the docs you'll eventually figure it out. http://debian-handbook.info/ is pretty easy to read. Best of luck :) |
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| 00:07.07 | forel | hello |
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| 00:07.52 | forel | I know that this question could be pretty general; but could you recommend any tutorial related to basic linux in networking area? |
| 00:08.11 | brianmwaters | hey, does Debian have any sort of master PGP key that's used to sign all the other release keys? |
| 00:08.51 | brianmwaters | a sort of internal PGP CA for Debian, like some other projects do |
| 00:09.08 | ompaul | I doubt they use PGP |
| 00:09.23 | brianmwaters | well, the CD signing keys are PGP keys. |
| 00:09.27 | ompaul | they use GPG keys to sign packages |
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| 00:10.10 | ompaul | brianmwaters: http://keyring.debian.org/ |
| 00:10.20 | brianmwaters | hah, you got me there. technically i should have said OpenPGP |
| 00:10.52 | brianmwaters | as i understand, that server is for developers (actual humans), not the release keys |
| 00:11.51 | ompaul | and what / who are the ftpmasters? |
| 00:12.43 | ompaul | and openpgp is a protocol |
| 00:12.56 | ompaul | and I'm going to bed - it's too early the next day ;-) |
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| 00:13.24 | brianmwaters | https://ftp-master.debian.org/index.html this? |
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| 00:13.44 | brianmwaters | i know what openpgp is :) |
| 00:13.47 | brianmwaters | thanks for the help |
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| 00:15.50 | Smurfy | Hi, I'm having big troubles with my servers |
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| 00:16.04 | Smurfy | Is someone in this channel able to help me? |
| 00:16.16 | brianmwaters | Smurfy: what's wrong |
| 00:17.25 | Smurfy | My database has been corrupted but the only saves availables are on a NFS drive |
| 00:17.44 | Smurfy | But this NFS drive doesnt want to mount |
| 00:17.59 | Smurfy | I'm having the error Stale NFS file handle |
| 00:18.31 | Smurfy | Do you know how to resolve this error brianmwaters ? |
| 00:19.08 | brianmwaters | Smurfy: go back in time and test your backups! |
| 00:19.23 | brianmwaters | sorry, that was mean. seriously though, i have no experience w/ NFS, sorry |
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| 00:19.49 | brianmwaters | serverfault is your friend for error messages. |
| 00:20.08 | Smurfy | Already checked that... I'll try again. |
| 00:20.15 | Smurfy | Thank you to answer me anyway ! |
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| 00:20.42 | Smurfy | ( and sorry for my veeeeery bad english ahah ) |
| 00:20.53 | brianmwaters | you could also try tracking down the source and grepping for parts of the error message... sometimes that is helpful, if you have the right skills. |
| 00:22.07 | Smurfy | My mate just rebooted the server |
| 00:22.10 | brianmwaters | just don't grep for the whole message, verbatim, because they often do string substitution |
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| 00:44.01 | goit790 | http://2014-the-best-hd-movies-adults-only.blogspot.com/2014/07/2014-best-hd-movies-adults-only.html |
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| 00:44.14 | dvs | awwwwwwwwwww |
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| 01:00.15 | rgb | hello |
| 01:03.07 | rgb | i just installed debian 7.5. i use wicd to connect wo wireless networks. the problem is the usb dongle (rtl8188cus) works fine but i only do see a single wireless network (my neighbor's) - although there are a lot more networks around me. the point is i even can't see my own wireless network. what could i do to fix that? |
| 01:03.16 | rgb | s/wo/to |
| 01:07.08 | rgb | even "iwlist wlan0 scan" does not show more than my neighbor's ssid |
| 01:07.43 | nurupo | rgb: maybe your wireless is of type X and that dongle only works with Y types? |
| 01:08.01 | nurupo | you know, like wi-fi g/n/b/whatever |
| 01:08.42 | rgb | that's what i thought at first nurupo. but i plugged it in a os x and a win machine and there it works. |
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| 01:09.38 | dvs | Did you try just entering the SSID? |
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| 01:15.37 | rgb | dvs, hm wicd does not seem to let me setup a custom wifi connection? |
| 01:15.50 | some-cowbell | rgb, but it does show something... |
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| 01:16.41 | rgb | dvs, got it. "find a hidden network" - but that didn't show anything either |
| 01:16.48 | rgb | some-cowbell, yes it does |
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| 01:17.25 | some-cowbell | what is the device that is your AP? |
| 01:18.13 | rgb | i can count 20 wireless networks around me on my other system. but over here i only get 1 in wicd. |
| 01:18.26 | rgb | a avm device |
| 01:19.25 | rgb | also there's an old linksys ap around which does not show up |
| 01:19.28 | some-cowbell | what phys distance are the two? "my other system" and "over here" |
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| 01:20.15 | rgb | ap is 3m away from me, no walls in between. my other system stands right besides me. laptop and pc. :) |
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| 01:21.01 | some-cowbell | so maybe the wireless that shows only your neighbor doesn't have the freq range similar to "my other system" |
| 01:21.12 | jmcnaught | rgb: i'm not that familiar with wicd (I use NetworkManager), but is your wifi interface defined in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 01:22.04 | some-cowbell | jmcnaught: he says iwlist scan does produce results, but just one |
| 01:22.27 | jmcnaught | sorry i must have missed that |
| 01:22.52 | rgb | some-cowbell, i mean if i plug that dongle into my win pc it get a lot more networks. |
| 01:23.21 | rgb | i wonder if it's a hardware<->linux issue. but it came bundled with a raspberry pi |
| 01:23.23 | some-cowbell | so same "radio" different... what? kernel? |
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| 01:24.40 | silicone | Hello I am trying to compile Linphone 3.7.0 for Wheezy following the instructions here :http://sagar.se/linphone-3.7.0-wheezy.html. Unfortunately I ran into a wee bit of a problem under section "Install zrtpcpp" at the 'cmake -DCORE_LIB=true -DSDES=false . && make" command. I received an error message. Any suggestions? |
| 01:24.57 | some-cowbell | maybe same radio, different firmware? or different driver? |
| 01:25.17 | rgb | jmcnaught, no it's not. should it? |
| 01:25.40 | some-cowbell | silicone: why not cmake at the end? |
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| 01:26.16 | jmcnaught | rgb: no it probably shouldn't be there, i was just wondering if it was defined there that could be the reason wicd will only connect to that AP |
| 01:26.29 | rgb | ah i see |
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| 01:27.04 | some-cowbell | wicd "shouldn't" be the difference |
| 01:27.22 | Hasan | what is the channel for debian-next |
| 01:27.24 | Hasan | uftc? |
| 01:27.33 | some-cowbell | irc.oftc.net |
| 01:28.22 | jmcnaught | rgb: there's a wiki page for your wifi adapter https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x also i'm assuming you must have the firmware-realtek package installed for it to be even semi-functional, but still worth a check |
| 01:28.25 | silicone | some-cowbell: To be quite honest, I don't understand the instructions, but I am trying to follow them and read the output to understand a bit more... but should it be at the end? "make -DCORE_LIB=true -DSDES=false . && cmake"?? |
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| 01:28.59 | some-cowbell | I would guess you should use the same make on both sides |
| 01:30.03 | rgb | jmcnaught, thank you. i have been there already, so firmware-realtek is properly installed. |
| 01:30.47 | some-cowbell | and does dmesg show that firmware being loaded? |
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| 01:32.38 | jmcnaught | silicone: one thing worth noting about the instructions you're following is that you won't be able to remove any of the software installed with commands like "make install" using apt-get etc. It looks like linphone 3.6 is available in testing/unstable but according to judd there are unsatisfiable build dependencies so SSB might not work either |
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| 01:33.22 | silicone | jmcnaught: Okay - that is good to know. |
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| 01:34.27 | silicone | jmcnaught: Well, maybe I'll just stick with 3.5.2 in the Wheezy repositories. Now, would I have to remove what I half-installed if I want to use 3.5.2 - I mean would that possibley create a conflict? |
| 01:35.15 | rgb | some-cowbell, http://bpaste.net/show/kGFfJYhFaiBJ7VQha7yw/ |
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| 01:37.00 | jmcnaught | silicone: if you haven't managed to compile linphone yet, you probably haven't run "make install" for it. But the stuff you compiled before it, you might be able to remove with "make uninstall" (however you should check the INSTALL and README files in each of those sources). If the software you installed is sane at all, it should have installed to /usr/local meaning it's unlikely to conflict with Debian packaged software |
| 01:38.37 | rgb | that's what i get from iwlist wlan0 scan: http://bpaste.net/show/GKESYOjrniPrEXqJGgql/ |
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| 01:40.06 | rgb | lsmod: http://bpaste.net/show/eLuN7J2ZCoKxvKYNgL8J/ |
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| 01:40.46 | rgb | iwconfig: http://bpaste.net/show/wBRsi8CNTTR820dTyV5G/ |
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| 01:40.49 | XYZAFFA1R | I am trying to install openbox using the 64bit deb they provide on there website, and I get this: Failed to obtain authentication. |
| 01:40.56 | XYZAFFA1R | On my computer next to me it works fine |
| 01:41.00 | XYZAFFA1R | But on my main it doesnt |
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| 01:41.22 | [TheFlash] | hi, will iceweasel support the new encrypted media extensions? if so, as of which version will it be supported? |
| 01:42.06 | jmcnaught | XYZAFFA1R: why not use the Debian package from wheezy-backports instead of downloading it from there website? |
| 01:42.33 | jhutchins | [TheFlash]: It'll deal with whatever firefox deals with. |
| 01:42.33 | XYZAFFA1R | jmcnaught, oh, I didnt realise it was on there, thank you |
| 01:42.52 | jhutchins | [TheFlash]: Whatever firefox version will match iceweasel. |
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| 01:43.02 | [TheFlash] | jhutchins: so they won't be removed? |
| 01:43.48 | foo | I'm on debian 6.0.9 and it doesn't seem to have apache 2.4. Hmm, what are my options? wheezy is stable, right? |
| 01:44.09 | jhutchins | [TheFlash]: No, all that's changed is the logos and the names. |
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| 01:44.37 | [TheFlash] | too bad |
| 01:44.45 | jhutchins | ,v apache |
| 01:44.46 | judd | No package named 'apache' was found in i386. |
| 01:44.52 | silicone | jmcaught: Oh - okay, so debian packaged software and other software go to different locations. Thanks. |
| 01:44.52 | jhutchins | ,v apache-common |
| 01:44.54 | judd | No package named 'apache-common' was found in i386. |
| 01:44.58 | jhutchins | Grr, sorry. |
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| 01:45.17 | jmcnaught | [TheFlash]: from what I understand the way Firefox will handle EME is with a thirdparty plugin from Adobe that has to be installed by a user action (not included by default) |
| 01:45.33 | jhutchins | ,v apache2 |
| 01:45.34 | XYZAFFA1R | jmcnaught, http://paste.debian.net/109272/ |
| 01:45.34 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.2.22-13+deb7u2; jessie: 2.4.9-2; sid: 2.4.9-2 |
| 01:45.35 | jmcnaught | jhutchins: you probably mean apache2 :) Also you can message judd privately too |
| 01:45.41 | [TheFlash] | jmcnaught: that's not true, the downloader for that plugin will be included by the fault, and it can't be disabled yet |
| 01:45.51 | [TheFlash] | lol, s/the fault/default/ |
| 01:46.04 | jmcnaught | XYZAFFA1R: above you said openbox... |
| 01:46.10 | [TheFlash] | funniest typo i've ever made |
| 01:46.11 | foo | jhutchins: thank you! that means wheezy doesn't have 2.4, only jessie (unstable) does, correct? |
| 01:46.17 | XYZAFFA1R | jmcnaught, Oh, I meant dropbox sorry |
| 01:46.30 | XYZAFFA1R | jmcnaught, Sorry about that |
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| 01:46.45 | jhutchins | jmcnaught: If I were to message judd privately, foo woudn't see it. |
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| 01:47.09 | jmcnaught | [TheFlash]: yeah the downloader the for plugin, the plugin itself won't be included. |
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| 01:47.23 | jmcnaught | jhutchins: sorry, i didn't realize you were helping foo |
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| 01:48.03 | jmcnaught | XYZAFFA1R: in that case you should probably ask Dropbox for help with their software :) |
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| 01:48.15 | [TheFlash] | jmcnaught: but if it downloads the plugin and executes it without asking, it's not only executing non-free software, but also compromising security |
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| 01:48.32 | jmcnaught | [TheFlash]: it doesn't ask the user for permission first? |
| 01:48.33 | XYZAFFA1R | jmcnaught, But on my other computer, running that same version of debian, it installed perfectly |
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| 01:48.59 | [TheFlash] | jmcnaught: i think the real firefox doesn't, at least not yet |
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| 01:49.25 | jmcnaught | XYZAFFA1R: strange, however it's not part of the Debian distribution so I don't know if anyone here can help you. Dropbox must have some sort of support |
| 01:49.42 | XYZAFFA1R | jmcnaught, ok thank you |
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| 01:58.36 | [TheFlash] | jmcnaught: false alarm, there is a prompt |
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| 02:00.24 | [TheFlash] | anyway thanks for answering my question |
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| 02:05.11 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 02:05.43 | rindolf | apt-get clean gives me <<E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)\nE: Unable to lock the download directory>> - what can I do? |
| 02:05.54 | rgb | jmcnaught, some-cowbell, nurupo: this guide fixed it: https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/reserve-7 |
| 02:06.12 | rgb | seems like the rtl linux drive has a bug |
| 02:06.25 | jmcnaught | rgb: glad you got it working :) |
| 02:06.43 | rgb | now it finds 8 cells immediately |
| 02:07.03 | rgb | nevertheless thanks for your help people :) |
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| 02:11.31 | rindolf | Hi all. |
| 02:11.53 | rindolf | Wow! The Debian system on my partition just doesn't allow me to get shit done. |
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| 02:21.45 | rindolf | OK, one question: how can I make apt-get -y dist-upgrade ***completely fully and wholly *** non-interactive - like "urpmi --auto" on Mageia Linux? |
| 02:21.46 | rindolf | I don't want to be prompted for any question whatsoever. |
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| 02:22.38 | rindolf | OK, one question: how can I make apt-get -y dist-upgrade ***completely fully and wholly *** non-interactive - like "urpmi --auto" on Mageia Linux? I don't want to be prompted for any question whatsoever. |
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| 02:23.12 | jmcnaught | rindolf: you could set the environment variable DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive (see debconf(7) in the debconf-doc package for more details) |
| 02:23.33 | rindolf | jmcnaught, thanks! |
| 02:24.27 | jmcnaught | rindolf: it's probably also worth reading the upgrade documentation: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html |
| 02:25.05 | sjp__ | I need help. So, I have a Debian system with three drives: one is OS/boot/home. Two other drives are archives of media. They have no operating system files or anything like that on them. I want to replace one of these. When I unplug a disk, GRUB complains it "cannot find <long UUID>" -- I do not understand why grub cares about drives which have no OS business or duties, and halts. Worse yet, when I grep for that UUID, it does not exist in any config |
| 02:25.05 | sjp__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.13 | rindolf | kmmndr, OK, now I got prompted again . :-( |
| 02:25.25 | rindolf | jmcnaught, ok , now I got prompted again . :-( |
| 02:27.36 | jmcnaught | rindolf: first, did you read the upgrade release notes? And how did you do it? "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
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| 02:28.26 | rindolf | jmcnaught, I did <<export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive ; apt-get -y dist-upgrade>> |
| 02:28.36 | rindolf | jmcnaught, and I was still prompted. |
| 02:29.02 | rindolf | jmcnaught, for quitting out of less and for upgrading various packages. |
| 02:29.11 | rindolf | feels an urge to kill someone. |
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| 02:31.27 | jmcnaught | sounds like rindolf needs to relax, or at least not quit before I suggest they read the man page for apt-listchanges |
| 02:32.00 | sjp__ | rindolf, if we could put our frustration levels together right now we could open a wormhole. What say we ditch this computer stuff and open a wormhole instead. |
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| 02:45.06 | jmcnaught | sjp__: i'm not a grub expert so someone else probably has better advice, but I believe you can tell grub which disk it should install to with "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" |
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| 02:49.42 | parakeet | i have debian installed on powerbook g4 apple's laptop . i am not sure how to get 3D graphics acceleration working |
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| 02:50.25 | parakeet | that and synaptic touchpad edge scrolling . i'm fine living w/o adobe flash tho it would be nice if gnash or sparklight can totally replace those |
| 02:51.23 | jmcnaught | parakeet: what graphics card does it have? "lspci -nn |grep VGA" should tell you |
| 02:51.34 | parakeet | radeon 9600 i think oh one sec |
| 02:51.56 | parakeet | what's -nn ? |
| 02:52.10 | parakeet | 0000:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] [1002:4e50] |
| 02:52.37 | parakeet | i followed the wiki . debian. org but not working for me |
| 02:52.55 | parakeet | the same with wifi which i got working now . the wiki was different from what i needed to do |
| 02:52.58 | jmcnaught | ,pciid 1002:4e50 |
| 02:52.59 | judd | [1002:4e50] is 'RV350/M10 [Mobility Radeon 9600 PRO Turbo]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeonfb', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4e50 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 02:53.10 | parakeet | wow |
| 02:54.26 | parakeet | whoa machine locked up for a sec |
| 02:54.28 | parakeet | ok |
| 02:55.08 | parakeet | oh what do i do from now? do i apt-get something? |
| 02:57.23 | jmcnaught | parakeet: well the fglrx proprietary driver is only available for amd64 and i386. But for the radeon driver on powerpc you should be able to instal firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri to get 3D acceleration working, following these instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 02:57.43 | parakeet | oh thanks super much let me do that now |
| 03:00.17 | arven | how can I get rsyslog to filter out all messages to the console? I want everything in dmesg, but the console spamming of "psmouse sync" errors are kind of annoying. |
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| 03:08.40 | nurupo | i have debian with KDE installed on a laptop, from a netinst. when i try change screen brightness -- KDE shows on-screen indicator telling that the brighness has changed, but it actually doesn't change |
| 03:09.08 | Shadow_7 | nurupo: have you used xrandr to change the brightness / gamma? |
| 03:09.11 | nurupo | i'm thinking that i'm missing some package/display driver |
| 03:09.31 | nurupo | Shadow_7: no |
| 03:09.39 | nurupo | i have tried to use xbacklight just now |
| 03:09.44 | nurupo | it also did nothing |
| 03:09.57 | Shadow_7 | does the keyboard have an Fn key? |
| 03:10.02 | zRecursive | which notebook or tablet can run debian perfectly, especially wifi/3G/other wireless support ? |
| 03:10.03 | nurupo | except that KDE noticed the change and displayed the brightness indicator |
| 03:10.17 | nurupo | Shadow_7: it does, it's a laptop |
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| 03:10.46 | nurupo | Shadow_7: KDE shows the change in the on-screen indicator, but the actual brightness doesn't change |
| 03:10.56 | Shadow_7 | nurupo: is there hot keys for brightness? Mine has Fn + up cursor and down cursor ... it's a hardware thing, not a software it seems |
| 03:11.10 | nurupo | Shadow_7: it works perfectly in Windows |
| 03:11.26 | parakeet | hm.... now my screen is flickering like crazy |
| 03:11.28 | parakeet | hard to see |
| 03:11.29 | parakeet | hehe |
| 03:11.31 | nurupo | Shadow_7: it's fn+f2 and fn+f3 |
| 03:11.44 | Shadow_7 | nurupo: and does that work? or not? |
| 03:12.31 | some-cowbell | zRecursive: debian packages stuff that computers can usually run. debian packages kernels, which among other things support devices. you would judge by each individual chipset as to whether it's supported or not |
| 03:12.34 | some-cowbell | and he's gone |
| 03:12.37 | nurupo | KDE picks up those hotkeys and displays that i lowered/increased the brightness, but the brightness of the screen doesn't change |
| 03:13.25 | nurupo | Shadow_7: i did a netinstall of debian and then installed KDE from the terminal, so my guess is that i might be missing some package or driver or firmware or something |
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| 03:15.42 | Shadow_7 | nurupo: the hardware in question? I had an old vaio that had sonypi, but didn't work for that model. |
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| 03:16.03 | nurupo | Shadow_7: like, graphics cards? |
| 03:16.41 | Shadow_7 | nurupo: there's xcalib and xrandr to adjust how X uses the display, but not necessarily the display itself |
| 03:16.57 | Shadow_7 | nurupo: like entire system specs... your display manipulation probably works for any external display. |
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| 03:30.21 | nurupo | changing it in `/sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness` and with `xrandr --output LVDS1 --brightness 0.5` works |
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| 03:31.51 | parakeet | oh flickering stopped after another reboot and manually installing xserver-xorg-somethingsomething |
| 03:32.11 | parakeet | oh xserver-xorg-video-radeon_6.14.4-8_powerpc.deb |
| 03:32.21 | parakeet | let me check what driver is running graphics now |
| 03:33.29 | parakeet | doh still software rasterizerr |
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| 04:27.38 | shay_shay | Debian as a router? |
| 04:29.01 | tensorpudding | Sure, why not. |
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| 04:49.30 | shay_shay | because i'm not very good with iptables |
| 04:50.06 | shay_shay | :( |
| 04:50.35 | phy1729 | uploads in shay_shay's brain https://www.frozentux.net/documents/iptables-tutorial/ |
| 04:50.47 | phy1729 | you know kung fu |
| 04:50.57 | shay_shay | skimmed that one already |
| 04:50.58 | zh1 | gufw? |
| 04:51.21 | phy1729 | shay_shay: read it |
| 04:51.34 | shay_shay | oh that is a different one |
| 04:51.47 | shay_shay | i thought i recognised the URL :P |
| 04:52.47 | shay_shay | holy crap |
| 04:53.10 | shay_shay | when i finish that i will know kung fu |
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| 04:53.42 | rozie | Debian is very good as router |
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| 04:55.26 | rozie | and Vyatta, open source router platform was Debian based (some modifications to kernel, UI added) |
| 04:56.00 | rozie | right now it forked to VyOS http://vyos.net/wiki/Main_Page |
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| 04:57.07 | rozie | but this is rather for bigger appliances. for SOHO pure Debian is enough |
| 04:57.23 | shay_shay | yeah i was looking at pfsense |
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| 04:57.34 | shay_shay | but i dont think i will learn as much for that |
| 04:57.51 | shay_shay | otoh, should i really be using my security as a guina pig? |
| 04:58.17 | shay_shay | identity theft would be a hell of a lesson |
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| 05:40.33 | nurupo | Shadow_7: added `acpi_backlight=vendor` to kernel boot parabeters and brightness works |
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| 05:41.35 | shay_shay | rozie: I am trying to decide between centos7 and Debian for my router tho. At least CentOS will have 10 years of support so I will only have to do it once |
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| 05:42.32 | shay_shay | I'm trying not to let my bias in... Its hard |
| 05:42.35 | shay_shay | :P |
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| 05:51.58 | Shadow_7 | ten years... twenty years later we're still configuring audio on the command line... You really want the same old same old tens more years from now? |
| 05:52.56 | Shadow_7 | Like you'll be working where-ever longer than six months from now... |
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| 05:56.57 | cheapie | Is there a way to download all of the packages for Debian 2.1? |
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| 05:57.23 | cheapie | (yes, there's a reason I want to do that) |
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| 05:59.15 | Shadow_7 | if it still exists and you have an install of it. # apt-get install -d --reinstall * && cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.*deb /where-ever/ |
| 06:00.13 | Shadow_7 | or something like that... started using debian on woody.. aka v3 |
| 06:00.44 | cheapie | Shadow_7: Are you talking to me? If so, I don't have an internet connection on the box that I want to install the stuff on, and as far as I can tell, 2.1 doesn't have APT. |
| 06:01.28 | cheapie | Shadow_7: Actually, it looks like APT is available in the repos, but it's not much help here. |
| 06:02.00 | Shadow_7 | you can get the *.iso's of it and mount -o loop -t iso9660 them? Although they might be floppy images back then |
| 06:02.30 | cheapie | Shadow_7: I only see floppy images, and only of the "base" packages, not all of them. |
| 06:02.33 | Shadow_7 | What's the purpose anyway? museum? |
| 06:02.51 | cheapie | Shadow_7: I have an old computer I'm playing with, and 2.1 is the last version that will work on it. |
| 06:03.18 | cheapie | Meh, I'll just point HTTrack at the repo. |
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| 06:03.46 | Shadow_7 | tiny and other linux's that should work on it. Just be sure to have 32bit kernel / non-pae / and other things not common / default in modern ones. |
| 06:03.53 | cheapie | I read that as of 2.0, it's "something like 2 GB" to install all of them, so the download can't be /that/ bad. |
| 06:04.05 | cheapie | I'm limited by RAM here, by the way. 8MB. |
| 06:04.32 | Shadow_7 | if you don't need gui, the kernel would be the only RAM factor |
| 06:05.20 | Shadow_7 | my ddwrt router is < 8GB ram, but mips based. |
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| 06:07.03 | Shadow_7 | I guess it depends on what you want that thing to do? |
| 06:07.03 | cheapie | Shadow_7: As far as Debian goes, I think 3.0 requires something like 12MB. |
| 06:08.10 | Shadow_7 | I started on 3.0 for debian... SuSE 6.1 at the time. 128MB of ram at the time. Or was it 64? 26 floppies for the full system or some such. |
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| 06:09.03 | Shadow_7 | Pentuim 75MHz was my first GUI capable computer. And had 8GB by default. |
| 06:09.15 | cheapie | I installed the system I'm talking about from 9 floppies. |
| 06:10.10 | cheapie | It's a 100 MHz Pentium (overclocked to 120 MHz) with 8 MB of RAM (1/1000 the amount of RAM in the computer I'm sitting in front of). |
| 06:11.03 | shay_shay | how well does selinux work on debian? |
| 06:11.05 | Shadow_7 | Quake I was a min req of that 75MHz cpu... |
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| 06:11.32 | shay_shay | e.g. for router/proxy |
| 06:11.36 | petern_ | quake ran on 486s |
| 06:12.00 | petern_ | bit sluggish mind |
| 06:12.07 | shay_shay | yeah with 25% of your screen |
| 06:13.02 | Shadow_7 | We used computers like that back in '96. So many other things now at 1/10th the power consumption for < $100 these days. |
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| 06:13.51 | some-cowbell | remember when a floppy's worth was an annoyingly long download? |
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| 06:14.19 | cheapie | some-cowbell: I've experienced that over a null-modem cable (but now I have a properly-working optical drive). |
| 06:14.28 | Shadow_7 | I remember 64K taking an hour to download... So like yesterday or tomorrow with the anti-fast lane |
| 06:14.33 | cheapie | It's bad enough at 115200 baud. |
| 06:15.00 | cheapie | watches HTTrack run |
| 06:15.04 | Shadow_7 | 64k per hour was a 300 baud modem |
| 06:15.25 | Shadow_7 | aka downloads at reading speed |
| 06:15.41 | some-cowbell | then someone had to come up with cd image downloads |
| 06:15.59 | cheapie | I've seen a demo of a 300 baud modem, but I'm not old enough to ever have had one. |
| 06:16.11 | some-cowbell | I'll have that cd by this time tomorrow |
| 06:16.12 | cheapie | This computer I'm talking about already predates me by a few months. |
| 06:17.05 | Shadow_7 | cheapie: if it's your employer... run... question if your paycheck will even clear the bank |
| 06:17.06 | some-cowbell | 110baud printing teletypes with the off-yellow rolls of paper |
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| 06:17.30 | Shadow_7 | I helped my dad type in punch cards at the university |
| 06:17.53 | cheapie | I work for McDonald's, and this is my own private computer... then again, McD does use some ancient UNIX system for a lot of stuff. |
| 06:18.47 | Shadow_7 | A raspberry pi is like +10years more capable than that tech |
| 06:18.56 | cheapie | has an RPi too |
| 06:19.07 | some-cowbell | you can afford your own computer at a mcd sallary?! |
| 06:19.18 | Shadow_7 | I'm irc-ing from my RPi atm. While checking yahoo mail |
| 06:19.25 | cheapie | some-cowbell: I still live with my parents (I'm 17), so yes. |
| 06:20.13 | cheapie | The old one I've been talking about was a Christmas present, actually, but I have purchased (well, built from parts I purchased) a rather fancy gaming computer. |
| 06:20.16 | Shadow_7 | not having living expenses has it's perks |
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| 06:21.07 | cheapie | During the summer I can make about $200/week, and there's pretty much nothing that I /need/ to buy then (except for the occasional tank of gas). |
| 06:21.29 | cheapie | Most of it does generally go to computer parts. |
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| 06:23.07 | cheapie | I then end up with things like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7783514/ |
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| 06:24.09 | cheapie | (yes, my computer is named "Shelley". My sister came up with that one) |
| 06:24.19 | Shadow_7 | heh... 8 cores and the bogomips is only 2x my dual cores from 8-ish years ago |
| 06:24.44 | some-cowbell | bogomips is bogotho! |
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| 06:24.58 | cheapie | Shadow_7: Well, bogomips is per-core, isn't it? (that, and I've heard it doesn't mean much) |
| 06:24.59 | emm | hey guys |
| 06:25.06 | some-cowbell | hey emm |
| 06:25.12 | emm | do I need to update from stable to testing and then to unstable? |
| 06:25.22 | emm | to have a functional unstable debian? |
| 06:25.24 | cheapie | Meh, who cares. It's fast. |
| 06:25.26 | Shadow_7 | why not skip the middleman? |
| 06:25.36 | some-cowbell | need? no... you can choose to stay with stable. |
| 06:25.47 | emm | well I want to go with unstable |
| 06:25.57 | shay_shay | emm: why not testing |
| 06:25.59 | cheapie | emm: I think you can go straight there, but you do run the risk of breaking different (and possibly more) things. |
| 06:26.21 | Shadow_7 | as long as you don't boot to a gui, whatever happens should be recoverable. |
| 06:26.27 | emm | I had a fresh install with nothing more but the base system and dist-upgraded to unstable from stable |
| 06:26.28 | cheapie | has run a system from "experimental" before |
| 06:26.36 | cheapie | It lasted about a week, then exploded. |
| 06:26.48 | cheapie | (not the computer, the Debian install) |
| 06:26.52 | emm | and didn't manage to get xorg and nvidia drivers working |
| 06:27.05 | shay_shay | emm: yeah so testing will work |
| 06:27.16 | some-cowbell | you should probably perform the upgrade with X turned offf |
| 06:27.28 | emm | okay guys. thanks alot for your answers |
| 06:27.34 | emm | i'll give it a try |
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| 06:27.36 | some-cowbell | oh, and, "upgrade" is a strong word |
| 06:27.52 | some-cowbell | backup alot |
| 06:27.57 | cheapie | some-cowbell: Can't you always boot in single-user if something goes wrong and you need a console (or switch ttys, if X doesn't completely lock up the system)? |
| 06:28.13 | some-cowbell | we;; ot |
| 06:28.17 | Shadow_7 | having a dual boot and doing the upgrade in a chroot has it's perks |
| 06:28.17 | some-cowbell | err |
| 06:28.35 | some-cowbell | well it's going to replace X anyway, and probably all the clients |
| 06:28.40 | cheapie | sort of wants to get a /real/ TTY and plug it in (somehow)... |
| 06:28.42 | some-cowbell | and all the libs |
| 06:29.02 | some-cowbell | cheapie, to a serial port I guess |
| 06:29.11 | cheapie | Anyway, I can PXE boot a live OS here if something goes wrong. |
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| 06:29.59 | cheapie | Sure, it would be Linux Mint... but the server runs Debian, doesn't that count for something? |
| 06:30.17 | some-cowbell | emm: so you probably also want to add a connection to irc.oftc.net and join #debian-next |
| 06:30.26 | emm | I might do that |
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| 06:30.52 | some-cowbell | if you need more help during the upgrad. |
| 06:31.20 | emm | well I do have some experience with linux. but debian always gave me a headache |
| 06:31.22 | cheapie | emm: Just remember, aptitude is a lot smarter than apt-get, and can often fix things that just confuse apt-get. |
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| 06:31.35 | some-cowbell | emm, then why debian? |
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| 06:31.46 | emm | because it's rock solid I presume? |
| 06:31.54 | emm | it's somewhere in the middle of arch and gentoo. exactly what I want |
| 06:32.02 | cheapie | Just... if you do that, read what aptitude suggests /before/ you let it rip out random packages to "fix" it. |
| 06:32.16 | some-cowbell | ok, wrong question. what has debian giving you headaches? |
| 06:32.19 | cheapie | I've seen aptitude suggest some crazy things before. |
| 06:32.37 | emm | because I always end up breaking something and it's most likely xorg or nvidia drivers |
| 06:32.47 | Shadow_7 | emm: gentoo and arch has their "costs". i.e. time to compile, G's of updates daily/weekly/monthly. |
| 06:33.02 | cheapie | hates those proprietary drivers |
| 06:33.07 | some-cowbell | gangstas of updates?! |
| 06:33.23 | emm | I want relatively new software |
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| 06:33.32 | cheapie | That's the main reason that I won't upgrade my video card - it's that I finally got fglrx to work with this one. |
| 06:33.45 | cheapie | emm: Then upgrading to at least testing would be good. |
| 06:33.59 | emm | yea but seeing that arch stable has newer software than debian unstable confuses me in making that decision |
| 06:33.59 | some-cowbell | how old an fglrx is still around? |
| 06:34.22 | some-cowbell | debian I guess tests longer |
| 06:34.36 | emm | that means unstable is pretty stable too |
| 06:34.44 | cheapie | some-cowbell: Linux Mint/Ubuntu's "fglrx-updates" works with this card (for now, who knows about next week). |
| 06:35.29 | cheapie | (yes, I'm running Mint on this box) |
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| 06:36.49 | cheapie | Interestingly enough, last time X broke for me was when the root FS mounted ro for some reason (I never figured out why). |
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| 06:37.27 | cheapie | I would think "maybe it encountered an error" (as I use the errors=remount-ro option for /), but fsck passed. |
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| 06:37.50 | some-cowbell | the root fs will always mount ro initially.... it later remounts rw |
| 06:38.01 | cheapie | some-cowbell: The problem was it wasn't remounting rw. |
| 06:38.02 | martin1969 | hello. i'm a linux newbie. just installed ubuntu on my computer. but was advised to try debian instead. just curious, in what area is debian better? |
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| 06:38.23 | cheapie | martin1969: It's more "1337", last I checked. |
| 06:38.27 | some-cowbell | bermuda triangle? |
| 06:38.44 | Shadow_7 | My primary desktop install boots to ro. But I never bothered to setup /etc/fstab. |
| 06:38.45 | cheapie | martin1969: I also *think* it's supposed to be more stable. |
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| 06:38.51 | some-cowbell | and the area is 1/2 (b * h) |
| 06:39.06 | Shadow_7 | Just: # mount -o remount,rw / |
| 06:39.13 | Shadow_7 | to change it after boot |
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| 06:39.40 | some-cowbell | kidding about the bermuda triangle being the area where debian is better/// |
| 06:39.42 | martin1969 | cheapie, thanks for the info. |
| 06:40.20 | martin1969 | which one is more user friendly? |
| 06:40.21 | some-cowbell | they test more and longer, they prefer to stablize the software, they won't hide problems |
| 06:40.53 | some-cowbell | some of those maintainer dudes are user-hostile |
| 06:41.32 | some-cowbell | but it's very likely you won't have to talk to them |
| 06:41.45 | martin1969 | ok. does anyone know how to keymap trackball here? |
| 06:41.52 | cheapie | martin1969: Well, most of the people here are going to be biased... I think Ubuntu is better if you're a "what's this Linux thing" sort of person, but once you know how it works, it's not for you any more. |
| 06:41.58 | emm | okay guys I'm off installing debz. I'll let you know how it works out |
| 06:42.22 | some-cowbell | cool. keep tylenol handy :) |
| 06:43.09 | cheapie | has done the whole spectrum, just about, from Mint to LFS... |
| 06:43.13 | martin1969 | cheapie, have you tried other os like free bsd? |
| 06:43.21 | cheapie | martin1969: I tried FreeBSD once. |
| 06:43.37 | martin1969 | and? |
| 06:43.53 | some-cowbell | plays some really fast bebop in Fmin.... what is this thing... called linux... |
| 06:43.56 | martin1969 | is that what mac os is based on? |
| 06:43.56 | cheapie | Sure, as they say, Beastie's cuter/better/more whatever than Tux, but the OS was just okay. |
| 06:44.12 | Shadow_7 | I always end up back on debian. Most howto's apply, and easiest on the bandwidth and time to manage factors. |
| 06:44.16 | cheapie | martin1969: It's not really "based on" it, but Mac OS X is sort of distantly related. |
| 06:45.15 | cheapie | Just like Linux isn't really "based on" Minix, but it's related (a bit more closely than OSX<->BSD, from what I've heard). |
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| 06:46.09 | cheapie | The initial announcement being titled "what would you like to see most in minix?" certainly counts towards that. |
| 06:46.09 | some-cowbell | the relation that's most well known is Linus used it as a platform for starting linux |
| 06:46.38 | martin1969 | is there such a thing as ubuntu specific apps or do most linux apps run on all flavors? |
| 06:46.49 | some-cowbell | the most interesting thing is you could rebuild everything by hand |
| 06:47.11 | helena | Hello |
| 06:47.17 | some-cowbell | martin, there are a few things ubuntu has |
| 06:47.31 | some-cowbell | aneleh: ih |
| 06:47.31 | cheapie | some-cowbell: Yeah, the story I was told was that Linus wanted UNIX on his PC, but he couldn't really get it, and Minix was too expensive (or something), so he wrote his own kernel, which sort of got sucked into the GNU project. |
| 06:48.08 | cheapie | martin1969, some-cowbell: Don't even get me started on that @&%@ "upstart". |
| 06:48.32 | martin1969 | another thing i'm curious about is does linux auto sense devices attached to the computer and auto download and configure the driver? |
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| 06:49.13 | cheapie | martin1969: If the module is present, it will generally load it. Most distros won't auto-download drivers, though. |
| 06:49.19 | some-cowbell | martin, no, not download of driver |
| 06:49.24 | peterrooney | martin1969: it's not downloaded; it's already on your hard drive. |
| 06:49.28 | cheapie | Ubuntu *does* have jockey, but it's practically useless. |
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| 06:50.11 | cheapie | For pretty much everything except video acceleration and Broadcom Wi-Fi chips, you can just plug it in and it works. |
| 06:50.36 | cheapie | (heck, I have a Bluetooth adapter here that works in Linux and not Windows) |
| 06:50.38 | peterrooney | martin1969: there's no such thing as 'ubuntu specific', but for most software that depends on libraries, newer software tends to depend on newer libraries. |
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| 06:51.13 | martin1969 | ok. i have a kensington trackball. it works but i can't figure out how to keymap the buttons. for example, change what the buttons' function. |
| 06:51.15 | some-cowbell | well there are the softwares ubuntu wrote |
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| 06:52.27 | helena | Does anyone use Xen? |
| 06:52.35 | some-cowbell | used to |
| 06:52.37 | martin1969 | i want to change upper left button to back in firefox. |
| 06:52.48 | martin1969 | the upper right button for forward. |
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| 06:53.12 | samba35 | i am planning to buy a SOHO /home user nic card but it should support SR -IOV which card do you recommand to support kvm |
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| 06:53.31 | cheapie | martin1969: Well, I have no idea how to do that, and judging by the lack of responses, I don't think anyone else does either. |
| 06:53.54 | some-cowbell | I used to have a kensington |
| 06:53.57 | helena | some-cowbell: Do you know anything about this and how to fix it? Running command 'mount -t ext3 -o loop /home/xen/domains/hdgh02/disk.img /tmp/sWlSvppQCK/ 2>&1' failed with exit code 512. |
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| 06:54.16 | martin1969 | yea. i'm kinda disappointed because in windows, there is a program called xmouse that make that task simple. |
| 06:54.33 | cheapie | helena: Did it mention anything before that? |
| 06:54.52 | helena | cheapie: Just the usual filesystem creation. |
| 06:54.55 | some-cowbell | helena, do you think that 512 exit status is coming from mount? |
| 06:55.21 | cheapie | I can't find anything online about mount returning 512. |
| 06:55.54 | cheapie | helena: What happens if you try to mount it manually? |
| 06:56.14 | helena | There is this one too |
| 06:56.15 | helena | Running command 'umount /tmp/sWlSvppQCK/proc 2>&1' failed with exit code 256. |
| 06:56.20 | martin1969 | cheapie, do you think you can operate a computer without graphical interface? so much of linux is text based. |
| 06:56.36 | cheapie | martin1969: It's possible, yes. |
| 06:56.38 | helena | mount: could not find any free loop device |
| 06:56.56 | cheapie | looks at the computer running without X installed behind him, and the other one to his right |
| 06:57.01 | cheapie | Yep, definitely possible. |
| 06:57.20 | some-cowbell | helena, do you think your kernel doesn't have loop support? |
| 06:57.59 | helena | some-cowbell: Yet I created the first VM just fine. |
| 06:58.10 | some-cowbell | martin1969: definitely. the question is tho, do you want to live in that world? |
| 06:58.37 | some-cowbell | how many loops does the one vm need? |
| 06:58.46 | helena | I don't know |
| 06:59.12 | helena | btw there are 8 loop devices |
| 06:59.18 | helena | altogether I just checked |
| 06:59.19 | some-cowbell | I've seen mostly kernels having 8 loop devices... can you arrange to get more? |
| 06:59.27 | martin1969 | cowbell, not really. however, i don't understand why installing applications can't be made simpler, like in mac os or windows even. |
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| 06:59.44 | helena | some-cowbell: If I don't have to recompile the kernel then yes |
| 06:59.57 | cheapie | martin1969: What's so hard about "sudo apt-get install whatever" or picking it in Synaptic? |
| 07:00.33 | cheapie | I think the Debian way is better because you don't even have to go looking for a download if you know what you want. |
| 07:00.45 | helena | cheapie: :D |
| 07:00.47 | martin1969 | cheapie, not necessarily hard but cumbersome. wouldn't it be easier just to double click on .exe file? |
| 07:00.52 | cheapie | (Ubuntu uses the same method, if you've noticed) |
| 07:01.02 | some-cowbell | the thing you want to be the most careful of, is mixing different versions of debian (most people say they do it to get more uptodate software) |
| 07:01.23 | cheapie | martin1969: But then you can't update everything with a few clicks, or any of the other nice things. |
| 07:01.42 | cheapie | (and if you install WINE, then you can double-click on .exe files) |
| 07:01.55 | some-cowbell | this could cause a lot of different kinds of damage |
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| 07:02.24 | martin1969 | cheapie, another thing is i think that auto sensing and auto installing driver is way easier. |
| 07:02.26 | cheapie | some-cowbell: Yeah, I've never really understood apt-pinning. It sounds like you get the worst of both worlds. |
| 07:02.33 | some-cowbell | helena, do you think you can find out how many loop devices are still available after starting the one vm? |
| 07:02.44 | cheapie | martin1969: Is there a particular device you have that's not working? |
| 07:03.40 | some-cowbell | martin1969: you were the one who said someone told you debian might be for you? |
| 07:03.48 | helena | some-cowbell: How do I check that out? |
| 07:04.00 | helena | Sorry I rarely use loop devices and when I do it's blind. |
| 07:04.02 | cheapie | martin1969: Yeah, Debian's definitely not for you. Ubuntu might be, or you can try Mint. |
| 07:04.39 | some-cowbell | helena, I was asking if you knew :) |
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| 07:05.04 | martin1969 | cheapie, i posed a question in craigslist's linux forum and there seems to be a lot of ubuntu bashing. |
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| 07:05.38 | cheapie | martin1969: Well, yes, Ubuntu isn't all that popular with more experienced users, but it's a decent starting place. |
| 07:05.58 | some-cowbell | martin1969: do you currently have data which may be your original material you want to preserve? |
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| 07:06.01 | cheapie | You should probably ask questions about Ubuntu in the Ubuntu forums, or their IRC channel. |
| 07:06.06 | helena | some-cowbell: No |
| 07:06.09 | helena | I don't |
| 07:06.34 | some-cowbell | hmm. maybe indirect method: monitor dmesg |
| 07:07.29 | martin1969 | cowbell, no. for now, i just want to get my kensington trackball to work the way i want it to be in ubuntu and i haven't found a solution yet. |
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| 07:07.39 | helena | some-cowbell: Thing is... dmesg shows nothing related to this but stuff related to network bridging which is again unrelated. |
| 07:07.52 | helena | no errors in there from what I can see |
| 07:08.05 | some-cowbell | hmm, so it's not reporting loop device usage |
| 07:09.09 | martin1969 | there does not seem to be an xmouse equivalent in the linux world, it seems. |
| 07:09.12 | cheapie | As for that software installation system, here's Debian/Ubuntu/Mint's/etc. way: it keeps track of what files are installed, where, and what they belong to. To install something, it downloads the software for you and installs it automatically, along with whatever else it needs (dependencies). When removing it, it knows what files came from it, and can remove *all* of them without touching anything else. It also knows which of those dependencies are no |
| 07:09.12 | cheapie | longer needed, and can automatically remove unneeded ones. It also knows what version of a given package is the latest, and which version is installed, so it can easily update the whole system. |
| 07:10.12 | cheapie | The Windows way: Let the installer put the files wherever it wants (don't bother keeping track of what belongs to what), hope the program can find the stuff it needs (which usually means packaging *all* of it in the installer), dpm |
| 07:10.13 | some-cowbell | well, "is the latest available to the version of the os you have installed" |
| 07:10.38 | cheapie | don't keep track of versions, and hope that the uninstaller removes all it should, and leaves files that don't belong to it. |
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| 07:10.53 | SNow | hello, a general question |
| 07:11.01 | some-cowbell | 42 |
| 07:11.06 | cheapie | Yeah, 42. |
| 07:11.47 | some-cowbell | marvin the paranoid android said that's the most general answer possible |
| 07:11.51 | SNow | I have a project who has more than 600 gb of small .jpg files. The servers have 2x480SSD raid0 and using nginx to serve it. |
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| 07:12.08 | SNow | What's is the best way to scale images through the servers? I mean static file sharding or somewhat.. |
| 07:12.27 | cheapie | Scale... you mean like resize them? |
| 07:12.28 | greenit | hi, i have problem: i wanted to switch from gnome to kde without reinstalling, so i used this step https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#Install_Xfce_in_an_already_installed_system and then i installed kde instead of xfce like this https://wiki.debian.org/KDE#task but it seems like kdm doesn't start on boot... what do i have to do to get to a working desktop? (debian testing) |
| 07:12.28 | SNow | NFS is obviously too slow, glusterfs is also bad for small files |
| 07:13.03 | SNow | cheapie: no.. meaning have them in seperate servers |
| 07:13.08 | martin1969 | another question i have for you guys. currently i have windows 7 and ubuntu dual boot on this computer. however, when i boot in windows the time is always out of whack. any explanation for that? |
| 07:13.16 | cheapie | SNow: Oh. |
| 07:13.17 | SNow | img X is in server Z, img Y is in Server B and so on.. |
| 07:13.27 | SNow | and that those imgs would be served from those locations.. |
| 07:13.43 | greenit | martin1969, check if the bios-time is set correctly |
| 07:13.52 | cheapie | martin1969: Ubuntu's probably setting the time to UTC, and Windows expects it to be local time. I think there's a setting for that, let me look it up... |
| 07:14.02 | SNow | the problem now is with traffic ~hitting about 1 gbit and disk space, while I will outgrow the 2x480GB raid0 ssd very fast... so rsync for balancing the traffic is not the option.. |
| 07:14.07 | some-cowbell | martin1969: yeah, windows thinks it's the center of the time universe... ubuntu/deb/etc knows the center is in greenwich |
| 07:14.33 | martin1969 | green, ubuntu's time is always correct and when i had the windows 7 as the sole os, the time was always correct. |
| 07:14.51 | cheapie | martin1969: That's why. Ubuntu's changing the time to what it expects. |
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| 07:15.19 | some-cowbell | yet another example of how windows doesn't know how to be appropriately subservient... has to own everything |
| 07:15.32 | cheapie | martin1969: Now, you have to pick: would you rather change settings in Windows or Ubuntu? |
| 07:15.50 | cheapie | (the Ubuntu side's easier) |
| 07:16.40 | cheapie | Oh, and either way, you're going to have to type commands in. |
| 07:16.41 | some-cowbell | when you said you don't have original material under your ubuntu, does that also mean you don't do any of your real work in ubuntu? do you do any kind of real work in windows? |
| 07:16.54 | cheapie | some-cowbell: I don't do real work in any OS. |
| 07:16.58 | cheapie | some-cowbell: (or at all) |
| 07:17.09 | zh1 | martin1969, win sucks dont use that |
| 07:17.50 | martin1969 | cowbell, i tried ubuntu just for fun and to learn a few things about how other os work. |
| 07:18.10 | cheapie | martin1969: From Ubuntu, press Alt+F2, and in the prompt that appears, type "pkexec gedit /etc/default/rcS" without the quotes. |
| 07:18.42 | cheapie | It should prompt you for your password (as you're going to be modifying system files). |
| 07:18.43 | martin1969 | may be to try programming. |
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| 07:19.11 | cheapie | After that, a text editor should appear. Find the line that says "UTC=yes" and change it to "UTC=no", then save and exit. |
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| 07:19.31 | some-cowbell | zh1, winsucks? well, winSOCKS... http://www.sockets.com/foxinsox.htm |
| 07:20.03 | cheapie | some-cowbell: Don't remind me of winsock. |
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| 07:20.43 | some-cowbell | can't play that game, you say? here's a better game to play... |
| 07:21.22 | cheapie | some-cowbell: Minetest is a "better game to play". |
| 07:21.29 | martin1969 | cheapie, it didn't work. i was prompted for the password but no text editor appeared. |
| 07:21.38 | cheapie | martin1969: Are you sure you spelled it right? |
| 07:21.51 | cheapie | goes to grab a laptop with Ubuntu to check the command |
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| 07:22.14 | martin1969 | yea. the icon in pkexe showed up. |
| 07:22.24 | some-cowbell | martin1969: so, what do you want to do? switch to debian? |
| 07:22.30 | cheapie | martin1969: And the "gedit" part was right? |
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| 07:22.46 | martin1969 | i'll copy and paste. |
| 07:23.01 | cheapie | watches X start up on the laptop |
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| 07:23.50 | martin1969 | cheapie, no text editor showed up. |
| 07:24.04 | cheapie | martin1969: Just a second, I'm trying in on a computer here. |
| 07:24.20 | martin1969 | cowbell, i'm undecided. just want to look into what debian has to offer. |
| 07:24.20 | cheapie | martin1969: You're using regular Ubuntu, not Kubuntu or whatever, right? |
| 07:24.33 | martin1969 | cheapie, right. it's the latest version. |
| 07:24.42 | martin1969 | 14.04 |
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| 07:25.23 | cheapie | I see the problem now. |
| 07:25.26 | cheapie | Just a second... |
| 07:25.27 | martin1969 | cowbell, i just started using ubuntu less than a week ago. |
| 07:25.31 | martin1969 | cut me some slack. |
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| 07:25.53 | some-cowbell | it's not totally different from ubuntu; a lot of things are the same, just a bit more slow to upgrade versions of various software (they trade that time for more testing) |
| 07:26.24 | cheapie | martin1969: OK, open a terminal, and run "sudo gedit /etc/default/rcS". |
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| 07:26.43 | martin1969 | ok. |
| 07:27.07 | cheapie | Note that at that thing's password prompt, you won't see *anything* as you type (not even ****). |
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| 07:27.32 | shingouz | what is this? #ubuntu? dammit... |
| 07:27.32 | martin1969 | ok. text editor popped. |
| 07:27.36 | helena | some-cowbell: Sorry did you say anything? My network went down. Pile of junk ISP router. :/ |
| 07:27.49 | cheapie | OK, now change "UTC=yes" to "UTC=no". |
| 07:27.57 | rryoumaa | how do you get the list of non-automatically installed packages from either (1) an apt-clone (which has extended states and installed pkgs) or (2) a specified partition that contains a root directory? (either answer will do, i just need the list.) |
| 07:28.01 | some-cowbell | helena, not sure where we were |
| 07:28.16 | Fooman2011 | Hello. I would like to run a program when the machine start. What is the default manager for this in debian ? Is it upstart ? |
| 07:28.25 | cheapie | rryoumaa: Synaptic can do that, but I don't think it can export them. |
| 07:28.41 | cheapie | Fooman2011: As root, or as a normal user after they log in? |
| 07:28.51 | Fooman2011 | as root |
| 07:29.05 | cheapie | Fooman2011: Put it at the bottom of /etc/init.d/rc.local |
| 07:29.14 | some-cowbell | Fooman2011: the most wide open way is edit a shell script called /etc/rc.local |
| 07:29.22 | martin1969 | cheapie, done. and saved. |
| 07:29.28 | rryoumaa | cheapie: i am booted to a machine with an earlier installation, and i want to update it to what i have on my non-running filesystem. i have the apt-clone. so i need a list that i can pass to aptitude. |
| 07:29.32 | Fooman2011 | It can manage the respawn ? |
| 07:29.33 | some-cowbell | oh, they moved it? |
| 07:29.39 | cheapie | martin1969: OK, it should work now (might take a bit to update). |
| 07:29.50 | Ritzton | Hello |
| 07:30.01 | some-cowbell | helena, I was probably speculating on ways to monitor loop usage |
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| 07:30.08 | martin1969 | ok. cheapie, thanks. |
| 07:30.10 | cheapie | Fooman2011: It just runs it once when the system starts. If you want it to respawn, run in the background, or whatever, you'll need to write a shell script or something for that. |
| 07:30.14 | some-cowbell | possibly silently :) |
| 07:30.17 | DHowett | the ATI proprietary driver is utterly maddening :) |
| 07:30.24 | Ritzton | I have a problem with backup-manager, my mysql files are empty and I don't understand why ? what should I do ?? |
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| 07:30.50 | cheapie | some-cowbell: It appears that the both exist (not sym/hardlinked, though), and seem to do the same thing. |
| 07:30.59 | cheapie | DHowett: Yes, it is. |
| 07:31.07 | some-cowbell | so two different files? |
| 07:31.11 | cheapie | some-cowbell: Yep. |
| 07:31.17 | some-cowbell | wow |
| 07:31.23 | some-cowbell | bug |
| 07:31.31 | dutchfish | Ritzton, man mysqldump |
| 07:31.47 | cheapie | I have entries in /etc/init.d/rc.local that work, and they're not in /etc/rc.local (which the comments say does the same thing). |
| 07:32.08 | dutchfish | Ritzton, what backupmanager are you using? |
| 07:32.12 | babilen | martin1969: Ubuntu is supported in #ubuntu not here |
| 07:32.15 | some-cowbell | sounds like it is two different files |
| 07:32.27 | Ritzton | dutchfish> backup-manager |
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| 07:32.33 | cheapie | babilen: Too late, we already solved the problem. |
| 07:32.36 | some-cowbell | weeeeelllllll, let'ssss ssssseeeeee, shall we? |
| 07:32.50 | babilen | cheapie: I would also kindly ask you to not support Ubuntu in here |
| 07:32.52 | some-cowbell | , file etc/rc.local |
| 07:32.56 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 07:33.10 | some-cowbell | , file etc/init.d/rc.local |
| 07:33.15 | judd | Search for etc/init.d/rc.local in wheezy/i386: initscripts: etc/init.d/rc.local |
| 07:33.15 | martin1969 | cowbell, one the reason i'm installing ubuntu was because i want an os that is virus free. |
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| 07:33.29 | cheapie | looks at the comments in /etc/init.d/rc.local a bit more |
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| 07:33.55 | cheapie | Heh, it looks like it's supposed to run /etc/rc.local, and as a side effect, anything tacked onto the end gets run too. |
| 07:34.01 | babilen | martin1969: Yes, and this channel supports Debian. So please take it to #ubuntu |
| 07:34.34 | dutchfish | Ritzton, hard to tell, you could set a higher log level to find out, i assume you already checked the logs. Have you checked rights? |
| 07:34.35 | martin1969 | babi, point taken. i won't ask anything related to ubuntu. |
| 07:34.37 | some-cowbell | martin1969: ubuntu and debian tend to do much better on viruses than windows, for several reasons |
| 07:35.11 | babilen | martin1969: No, you should seek support for *everything* concerning your system in #ubuntu as you don't use Debian and are therefore not supported in here. |
| 07:35.11 | cheapie | martin1969: There's a channel for Ubuntu on this same network. As babilen mentioned, it's called #ubuntu. |
| 07:35.18 | babilen | So, and lets move on now. |
| 07:35.20 | cheapie | A "/join #ubuntu" command should get you there. |
| 07:35.52 | helena | some-cowbell: Yea I was unable to see that, on a crappy terminal. |
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| 07:36.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell Fooman2011 -about init script |
| 07:36.30 | some-cowbell | babilen, how might one monitor loop device usage? |
| 07:36.37 | martin1969 | cheapie, does malware affect debian system? |
| 07:36.50 | dutchfish | Ritzton, for the most obvious things to setup read this http://howto.biapy.com/en/debian-gnu-linux/system/software/install-and-setup-backup-manager-on-debian |
| 07:36.50 | cheapie | martin1969: Not generally. |
| 07:36.52 | babilen | some-cowbell: Write a nagios check for it! |
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| 07:37.43 | cheapie | martin1969: There is malware out there, but it's a lot harder for it to do anything. Unless it manages to exploit something, it's limited to your account unless you give it root access. |
| 07:38.11 | some-cowbell | or unless they otherwise gain root access |
| 07:38.19 | cheapie | martin1969: That's why you shouldn't give random programs your password unless they have a valid reason for it. |
| 07:38.41 | babilen | some-cowbell: Sorry, I really can't answer that question as it is really quite unclear what you mean by "monitor" and "usage" |
| 07:38.49 | dutchfish | Ritzton, but first check if mysqldump works, so you know that mysql is working properly, if i am not mistaken backup-manager using the same |
| 07:39.08 | martin1969 | would you say there's no need to install anti-virus or anti-malware software in linux in general? |
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| 07:39.08 | some-cowbell | "I'm a cookie monster virus! please type root pw on the cookie!" |
| 07:39.24 | babilen | some-cowbell: I'm also not sure why you address me specifically as I can't recall having discussed this problem with you previously |
| 07:39.26 | cheapie | martin1969: It's pretty much never needed. |
| 07:39.28 | some-cowbell | martin1969: it's much more rare |
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| 07:39.55 | babilen | martin1969: Seriously, #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 07:40.17 | Ritzton | dutchfish> yes I have checked it : Jul 12 02:07:26 vpsXXXXX backup-manager[6818]: warning * Creating a default MySQL client configuration file: /root/.backup-manager_my.cnf I don't know if it is normal |
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| 07:41.25 | cheapie | waits to see if he shows up in one of those |
| 07:41.46 | some-cowbell | babilen, you did have a response that could be of use |
| 07:42.17 | dutchfish | Ritzton, not relevant, its a warning i have seen before, backupmanager complaining there isnt one setup for root |
| 07:42.39 | cheapie | still doesn't see martin anywhere. |
| 07:42.46 | cheapie | I think he got scared off. |
| 07:42.57 | DHowett | (It seems he parted in the fray?) |
| 07:43.15 | DHowett | I don't mean to question authority, but I don't entirely understand why he got a +q. |
| 07:43.34 | some-cowbell | remember that originally he wanted to see if the recommendation he got for debian was valid |
| 07:43.39 | cheapie | DHowett: Is it bad that when I saw "parted", I thought you meant the parition editor? |
| 07:43.40 | dutchfish | Ritzton, i prefer running it as non-root, but alas, also check vi /usr/share/backup-manager/backup-methods.sh |
| 07:43.49 | DHowett | cheapie: that sounds like PTSD to me ;) |
| 07:44.11 | Ritzton | dutchfish> I think I have solved my problem :-) "mysqldump requires at least the SELECT privilege for dumped tables, SHOW VIEW for dumped views, TRIGGER for dumped triggers, and LOCK TABLES if the" |
| 07:44.22 | dutchfish | Ritzton, yup |
| 07:44.32 | Ritzton | dutchfish> I only added SELECT to my backup mysql user |
| 07:44.37 | cheapie | DHowett: I haven't had any problems with it, I've just been using it a lot (to set up disks for installing Debian, so it's related). |
| 07:44.40 | dutchfish | Ritzton, there you go |
| 07:44.47 | nurupo | TRIGGER for inferno cop |
| 07:45.00 | DHowett | some-cowbell: fair enough |
| 07:45.22 | DHowett | cheapie: I suppose that's fine then. Nowadays I only invoke it in a blind panic when nothing seems to be working right. |
| 07:45.47 | cheapie | They're discussing sleep schedules in #minetest, and we can't even talk about Ubuntu (or Linux in general) here.... |
| 07:45.51 | some-cowbell | when your only tool is a flame thrower, everything looks like a human... |
| 07:45.57 | dutchfish | Ritzton, one more hint, document your steps for later, so next time you know how to grant the rights in an orderly fashion |
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| 07:47.12 | babilen | some-cowbell: I will happily discuss this with you later. You do have to be more specific as to what you want to achieve and what kind of monitoring solution you envision. Ping me again in a couple of hours. ta! |
| 07:47.17 | cheapie | Huh, martin showed up in #ubuntu, and then left without saying anything. |
| 07:47.37 | some-cowbell | I'll add to dutchfish: get a notebook to use for an installation journal (or dba journal) |
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| 07:49.09 | some-cowbell | babilen, I'll look into it... thanks for the support offer, I may need that, it sounds like you have used that to come up with a bunch of different monitor/notification things |
| 07:49.13 | babilen | DHowett: This channel quite intentionally supports only pure Debian and Debian users. This happens for both technical and social reasons (e.g. I want to help the Debian project by spending my time in here helping its users). Tried a couple of time to nudge martin into joining #ubuntu, but it didn't help. |
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| 07:49.38 | babilen | DHowett: Feel free to /msg me if you have any further questions regarding this. (it might take a little for me to get back to you, but I will) |
| 07:49.57 | deepblue | every time i press the open folder button in evance enterface the rythmbox opens instead.how to fix this? |
| 07:50.05 | zh1 | babilen ubuntu is debian based? |
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| 07:50.33 | babilen | some-cowbell: Sure, no problem. It is just not sure what you mean by "monitor a loop device" (e.g. Do you want to be notified as soon as one turns up in /etc/mtab ? |
| 07:50.38 | some-cowbell | decreasingly so, but some things are still based on debian ideas |
| 07:51.58 | some-cowbell | babilen, trying to debug a situation where we suspect (we don't know yet) whether a xen guest takes up more loop devices than there are |
| 07:52.04 | babilen | zh1: It is, but it is also a different distribution and only pure Debian is supported here. There is ##linux and #ubuntu and various other channels for the rest. And frankly, helping in here is quite a commitment. I really want to help users of Debian and not some other distribution and that doesn't even touch on technical differences. (I mean if there were no difference people could just use Debian to begin with) |
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| 07:52.40 | zh1 | ok |
| 07:52.49 | some-cowbell | by the time you're more freed up, we might have found out what we need to know |
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| 07:54.12 | some-cowbell | besides it's late and I'm starting to fade :) |
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| 07:55.53 | Fooman2011 | Hello. I would like to run a program when the machine start with respawn managment. |
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| 07:57.27 | DHowett | babilen: (understood; thanks for the explanation) |
| 07:57.29 | DHowett | :) |
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| 07:58.02 | babilen | No problem (/me believes in open governance) |
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| 08:01.52 | shingouz | Fooman2011: make a script for /etc/init.d would be a nice way to do that. for a quick nasty hack, inittab |
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| 08:05.45 | Fooman2011 | shingouz: My program is a java program which i have to run using java -jar myprog.jar I think that the daemon stop will stop all the "java" programs |
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| 08:07.48 | shingouz | most possibly |
| 08:08.18 | ffog | how do I install opengl? want to make sure i get the right package |
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| 08:08.49 | ffog | i thought i had it but something i'm trying to install says i don't |
| 08:09.28 | ffog | wait i have blender on this machine, i must have opengl... |
| 08:10.06 | ffog | checking GL/gl.h presence... no |
| 08:10.13 | ffog | any tips? |
| 08:10.21 | ffog | i'm installing DIN Is Noise |
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| 08:13.17 | ffog | appears I need libglu1-mesa-dev |
| 08:13.59 | Fooman2011 | OMG there is no simple way to run a java program at start with respawn management under debian ? |
| 08:14.48 | some-cowbell | inittab and daemontools provide respawn mgt |
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| 08:15.06 | some-cowbell | can you run a java program at all? |
| 08:15.13 | Fooman2011 | yeah but it will kill all the java processes |
| 08:15.23 | brightkill | Fooman2011, no |
| 08:15.23 | Fooman2011 | not only mine |
| 08:15.27 | Fooman2011 | really ? |
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| 08:15.32 | Fooman2011 | interesting |
| 08:15.36 | brightkill | you need to kill java by pid |
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| 08:16.05 | Fooman2011 | It is done in skeleton ? |
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| 08:26.03 | jnhghy | Hi, I have debian without gui install in virtaulbox on a win7. I'm trying to mount a folder from my widows in debian. I've shared the folder in windows and it gaved me the folder path, but when I try to mount it in debian I get time out error. the command I tried is: mount -t nfs win7ip:folderaddress |
| 08:26.16 | jnhghy | + mount point |
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| 08:28.26 | emm | hey guys I managed to get debian testing working with driver xorg and dwm. but the problem is I can't change my resolution higher than 640x480 |
| 08:28.39 | emm | nvidia drivers* |
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| 08:30.05 | some-cowbell | emm, you want to go all the way to unstable, yes? |
| 08:30.27 | emm | nah. I'm sticking with testing |
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| 08:40.30 | guerrerofran | hello there |
| 08:40.30 | emm_ | I fixed the resolution. thanks guys :D |
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| 08:40.43 | some-cowbell | what was the problem? |
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| 08:41.06 | emm_ | I was stuck in a low resolution and when I tried to force a bigger one it looked very ugly |
| 08:41.12 | emm_ | and I changed my xorg.conf refresh rates |
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| 08:41.38 | some-cowbell | wrote mode lines?? |
| 08:41.48 | emm_ | not quite. I just changed two lines |
| 08:42.03 | nabblet | security question: hi, i found this in a bash history http://paste.debian.net/109282/ of a normal users. the user has sudo rights but now i wonder: did the attacker assume that he already had root rights (does not use sudo)? why did he try the local privilege escalation? |
| 08:42.09 | emm_ | HorizSync and VertRefresh |
| 08:42.17 | guerrerofran | i'm having some issues with the prop. nvidia drivers. i followed the wiki howto in order to install them but after restarting, I get no X |
| 08:42.45 | guerrerofran | first off, any recommendations to a pastebin application via command line? |
| 08:42.56 | nabblet | guerrerofran: pastebinit |
| 08:42.57 | emm_ | install the nvidia-xconfig package |
| 08:42.59 | emm_ | and run ti |
| 08:43.12 | guerrerofran | thanks nabblet |
| 08:43.30 | shingouz | emm_: usually xorg.conf is empty. /msg dpkg xorg.conf |
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| 08:43.42 | some-cowbell | try modprobing the driver then see if you can start X |
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| 08:44.10 | emm_ | well that's why x isnt's tarting because xorg.conf is empty |
| 08:44.12 | some-cowbell | does your card need firmware? |
| 08:44.15 | emm_ | I had that issue like 5 minutes ago |
| 08:44.35 | level7 | hi all.. I a looking for a cloud platform to be installed on servers to keep storage based on linux/*BSD ... any hint? |
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| 08:44.54 | dragos | i have a problem i try to upgrade ubuntu 11 to 12 all good but themes are gone |
| 08:45.08 | DHowett | dragos: sorry -- this channel is for Debian support. Ubuntu is over at #ubuntu |
| 08:45.09 | some-cowbell | you want to be a cloud? or be in a cloud? |
| 08:45.22 | guerrerofran | this is my log... through the wiki I only created a 20-nvidia.conf at xorg.conf.d directory and it seems it needs more info: http://pastebin.com/38qraGAg |
| 08:45.29 | shingouz | emm_: ok. you just need to be a bit careful with those to settings you modified, there is a small possibility that the screen goes pop. |
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| 08:46.32 | nabblet | dpkg: security |
| 08:46.32 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>. |
| 08:46.40 | emm_ | worst case scenario my screen goes blank. I think the problem was with the refresh rate. my screen supports only 60hz |
| 08:46.41 | some-cowbell | and pop goes the screen ain't a song you want to be throwin down |
| 08:46.55 | shingouz | emm_: also, i have noticed that some setups need one or two parameters in xorg.conf, some are easier to make work with a completely empty xorg.conf. whatever works there |
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| 08:48.31 | shingouz | has heard pop goes the screen a couple of times years ago. once with pyrotechnics and smoke effects |
| 08:48.38 | emm_ | heh |
| 08:48.54 | emm_ | I don't really know I distrop hopped a while and I always got across these nvidia drivers |
| 08:49.12 | emm_ | but it works really. I never managed to pop my screen because I always double-check my configs and the source I'm getting help from |
| 08:49.20 | some-cowbell | and you did alredy this time, right? |
| 08:49.25 | emm_ | yea |
| 08:50.56 | some-cowbell | so when you set the refresh rates, do you think it calculates a mode line? |
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| 08:51.11 | petern_ | Never had a screen pop, though one managed to scan a single very bright line as it stopped vertical deflection. |
| 08:51.14 | tremon | old CRT monitors tied their beam controller directly to the input signal. If the input signal was too high, the beam controller could overload. I don't think any LCD has that risk |
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| 08:52.07 | some-cowbell | old crts are made of heavy glass and stuff in there |
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| 08:52.28 | some-cowbell | you don't want that stuff to implode :) |
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| 08:52.44 | emm_ | I have an LCD never tried linux on a crt. I can't say for sure |
| 08:52.57 | emm_ | but tremon might be right about input signal |
| 08:53.27 | some-cowbell | yeah, I had crts for awhile, never did pop one |
| 08:54.08 | shingouz | some-cowbell: it was just the electronics, caps and such. not the actual crt unless the pop was induced with a sledgehammer |
| 08:54.36 | some-cowbell | that would be less a pop and more a booom |
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| 08:54.58 | some-cowbell | and you did NOT want to be the one throwin the hammer |
| 08:55.17 | shingouz | moob. an implosion, not an explosion |
| 08:55.38 | tremon | lol |
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| 08:55.43 | some-cowbell | well yes... but what happens after? |
| 08:55.52 | shingouz | smoke |
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| 08:56.03 | emm_ | you can grill a steak on your crt maybe |
| 08:56.06 | some-cowbell | the broken glass gets sucked into the vacuum and then thrown out |
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| 08:57.25 | Fooman2011 | Could you explain me what the following command do please ? "apt-get -o Acquire::http::Dl-Limit=25 dist-upgrade -d -y -o APT::Get::Show-Upgraded=true" ? |
| 08:57.47 | some-cowbell | and the gas inside there, you don't want to be breathin that, and not just because it could be mixed with fast-moving tiny shards of broken glass... |
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| 08:58.06 | shingouz | i'm just saying that if i have to hack the refresh values on xorg.conf, i really, *really* make sure they are absolutely correct before i fire up the thing. two pops are enough, i do not want to take the risk of a third |
| 08:58.16 | tremon | Fooman2011: it's all in the man, man ;). It downloads all upgradable packages without asking, with a bandwidth limit and lists the packages |
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| 09:00.20 | some-cowbell | what happens to a loop device (something I can detect hopefully) when a successful mount ... -o loop ... happens? |
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| 09:00.48 | tremon | "happens" in what sense? nothing happens to it |
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| 09:01.13 | some-cowbell | like, does a file get added to a dir? does something get added to mtab? |
| 09:01.43 | some-cowbell | I'm trying to figure out if I'm running out of loops |
| 09:02.01 | tremon | try listing them with losetup |
| 09:02.27 | some-cowbell | is that for the lo net interface? |
| 09:02.44 | tremon | I don't think the kernel list of active loop devices is available as a virtual filesystem anywhere. Maybe in sysfs |
| 09:03.07 | Fooman2011 | tremon: ok thank. but this line give me an error: "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" followed by a list of package that I tryed to install yesterday without success. Why apt-get is trying to reinstall them again ? |
| 09:03.22 | Fooman2011 | How to fix this ? |
| 09:04.39 | tremon | Fooman2011: re-run apt-get update and/or apt-key update. If that doesn't help, try a different mirror in your sources.list |
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| 09:05.47 | tremon | reinstalling debian-archive-keyring sometimes helps, but it shouldn't be necessary |
| 09:06.01 | some-cowbell | it looks like losetup -a gives me a list of loops |
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| 09:07.24 | Fooman2011 | tremon: seems to be OK now thanks very much |
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| 09:52.30 | dragos | nop |
| 09:53.47 | nf7 | dragos: What is it |
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| 09:54.03 | dragos | steam os is not debian |
| 09:55.23 | nf7 | its debian based apparently |
| 09:55.33 | shingouz | !based on debian |
| 09:55.33 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 10:09.25 | luiggi | if i recompile a package and this gets an update i will have to recompile everytime no? |
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| 10:38.47 | nkuttler | jsOS6: you get one file, instead of many |
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| 10:42.00 | tremon | jsOS6: a tar archive can preserve file attributes even if the storage medium cannot, e.g. if you copy a folder to a fat32 drive you lose permissions, if you copy the archive the permissions are maintained |
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| 10:43.07 | jsOS6 | Thanks for your help |
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| 10:46.07 | rgb | hello |
| 10:46.24 | rgb | what is a process named galaxy in debian 7.5? |
| 10:47.55 | tremon | ,file bin/galaxy |
| 10:48.01 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 10:48.45 | tremon | rgb: it looks like there's no such binary in debian |
| 10:49.46 | nkuttler | rgb: which galaxy; ps auxw | grep galaxy; dpkg -S galaxy etc come to mind |
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| 10:54.09 | rgb | yes, i already did a "type galaxy" and pidof, but it does not show anything. it was there for a moment in the top listing. not it's goneĆ¢ĀĀ¦strange. or does my mind play with me, it was late last night... |
| 10:55.35 | excalibr | How do you set up cron rule to run every 90 minutes? Will this work? 30 */1 * * * <command> |
| 10:56.02 | nkuttler | rgb: type? so you know where the file is? what does dpkg -S tell you? |
| 10:56.12 | tremon | no, that will fire every 30 minutes |
| 10:57.00 | tremon | excalibr: you need two rules, with 3 hour intervals |
| 10:57.39 | jolt | like http://stackoverflow.com/questions/247626/how-can-i-set-cron-to-run-certain-commands-every-one-and-a-half-hours |
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| 10:58.07 | tremon | fcron used to have an @every directive, maybe anacron has as well |
| 10:59.03 | tremon | (correction, 30 */1 will not fire every 30 minutes obviously, but 30 minutes in to each hour, so every 60 minutes) |
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| 11:02.13 | excalibr | I still dont get it actually. Why you can just do "0 */2 * * *" for every 2 hours? |
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| 11:03.09 | jolt | excalibr: That works fine for every 2 hours |
| 11:04.03 | jelly-home | except DAYLIGHT SAVING |
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| 11:04.24 | jelly-home | (dst ruins everything!) |
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| 11:05.01 | jolt | This video is pretty funny regarding timezones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY |
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| 11:06.33 | jelly-home | jolt: run every 30 minutes, |
| 11:06.35 | jelly-home | erm. |
| 11:06.36 | excalibr | jolt, umm that's exactly on 0 minute within the 2nd hours. So why it can't just do 30 */1 * * * if I want it to be every 90 minutes? |
| 11:06.51 | excalibr | I can't* |
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| 11:07.12 | jelly-home | have two jobs, running every three hours, the second one doing a sleep $((45*60)) first |
| 11:07.23 | jelly-home | sorry, 90*60 |
| 11:08.14 | jelly-home | so: "0 */3 * * * foo" and "0 */3 * * * sleep 4500; foo" |
| 11:08.36 | duggles | Hello, just wondering if there's a time set for the 7.6 update, or is it a case of When It's Ready(tm)? |
| 11:08.53 | abrotman | Do you need it for something? |
| 11:10.37 | jolt | excalibr: beacuse it will run at NN:30? |
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| 11:11.40 | jelly-home | excalibr: each column in crontab format is parsed and evaluated separately |
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| 11:12.53 | jelly-home | excalibr: so there no way to define run times in terms of fractions |
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| 11:13.35 | jelly-home | excalibr: the simplest thing to do is make two jobs as above. |
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| 11:19.06 | excalibr | jelly-home, okay but I'm keeping that solution as last resort if I can't find a simpler way |
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| 11:20.35 | jelly-home | if you want to use cron as scheduler, I don't see a simpler way |
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| 11:26.18 | excalibr | jelly-home, I'm checking out some alternatives to cron. tremon mentioned about fcron just now, and looks pretty nifty but I dont know |
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| 11:29.07 | some-cowbell | your debian system uses cron, and maybe if the alternative you pick is "too weird", it will misbehave in doing the system jobs |
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| 11:34.31 | jargon | i had an /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy file that pointed to the apt-cacher-ng on our office LAN. no i removed the file, but when i run aptitude update, it's still trying to go through the apt-cacher-ng, and fails because i'm not at the office |
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| 11:34.47 | jargon | now* i removed the file... |
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| 11:35.25 | abrotman | and your sources.list ? |
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| 11:36.03 | some-cowbell | check your sources.list |
| 11:36.18 | jargon | nevermind. it seems apt.conf was also referencing the apt-cacher-ng. it's fixed now. thanks :-) |
| 11:37.19 | some-cowbell | you may wish to jot down a note on this, and how to restore it when you get back to the office |
| 11:37.41 | jargon | good idea |
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| 11:57.51 | jargon | anybody get their samsung phone to mount on wheezy? |
| 11:58.01 | jargon | i installed gmtp but no luck |
| 11:58.24 | jelly-home | jargon: did you try that jmtpfs backport? |
| 11:59.31 | jargon | jelly-home: no, i haven't. let me try it |
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| 12:03.11 | jelly-home | ,v jmtpfs |
| 12:03.12 | judd | Package: jmtpfs on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 0.5-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.5-2; sid: 0.5-2 |
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| 12:03.54 | jargon | jelly-home: so after i installed jmtpfs do i try connecting with gmtp again? |
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| 12:04.40 | jelly-home | jargon: no, use jmtpfs instead |
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| 12:10.56 | Tasab | hello , how i can configure usb modem in the terminal to enable me connect to the internet |
| 12:10.59 | jargon | jmtpfs can't mount it either :-( |
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| 12:11.23 | jelly-home | jargon: it does not detect a mtp device at all? |
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| 12:12.23 | abrotman | I thought libmtp was slightly broken in wheezy? |
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| 12:12.48 | jargon | abrotman: oh great... |
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| 12:16.14 | jargon | jelly-home: it detects but is unable to mount |
| 12:16.22 | jargon | Device 0 (VID=04e8 and PID=6860) is a Samsung GT P7310/P7510/N7000/I9070/I9100/I9300 Galaxy Tab 7.7/10.1/S2/S3/Nexus/Note/Y. |
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| 12:19.22 | jelly-home | well, there's a backport of libmtp9 in wheezy-backports too |
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| 12:21.33 | jelly-home | (and I wrongly assumed jmtpfs had strict enough dependencies to pull it in) |
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| 12:22.46 | jargon | backport of libmtp9 isn't helping either |
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| 12:32.06 | meek_geek | guys I am having performance issues in Debian in comparison with Xubuntu |
| 12:32.24 | meek_geek | For example Evince is a lot slower |
| 12:32.31 | meek_geek | so is Image Viewer |
| 12:32.32 | erry | Hii |
| 12:32.43 | meek_geek | hey |
| 12:32.43 | erry | there wouldn't happen to be a package for https://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta for arm architecture would there? :3 |
| 12:32.50 | erry | for raspberry pi |
| 12:33.02 | erry | i tried installing and it says there's nbo packags for the architecture |
| 12:33.27 | erry | i'd rather not build from source :) |
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| 12:35.12 | Fooman2011 | could you tell me how to list de installed package please ? |
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| 12:36.50 | Shadow_7 | Fooman2011: dpkg -l |
| 12:37.01 | Shadow_7 | Fooman2011: or dpkg --get-selections |
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| 12:37.36 | sandman13 | dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall I guess |
| 12:37.37 | dpkg | selects sandman13's pr0n collection |
| 12:37.45 | erry | oh nevermind :p |
| 12:38.32 | Shadow_7 | erry: looks like rt2800pci is the current name for the rt2860sta module for the device. Or I could be wrong. But it's available in a few of the jessie armel kernels. |
| 12:38.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell Fooman2011 -about aptitude clone |
| 12:38.46 | sandman13 | lol |
| 12:39.03 | babilen | (might come in handy, depending on what you actually try to do) |
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| 12:39.44 | erry | wrong repo |
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| 12:43.23 | Shadow_7 | I use a custom compiled kernel that I did on raspian for my jessie install. Took 9 hours, but the only change from /proc/config.gz of raspbian was making nfs a module. The guide said 22 hour compile time. There's a few rt28*.ko modules that exists, but not the pci or sta one. |
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| 12:52.14 | meek_geek | I am having performance issues in Debian in comparison with Xubuntu |
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| 12:54.51 | vadimkolchev | hi all. have machine with windows 8.1. need to install debian alongside and dual-boot. Do I have to know anything specific? Will the bootloader of win be recognized well by nstaller? |
| 12:56.40 | abrotman | vadimkolchev: yes |
| 12:57.29 | vadimkolchev | abrotman, that's good to hear. last time I tried it, it was one year ago with win 7 and debian told me it didn't find any other oss' on my hard drive, which was strange |
| 12:57.39 | vadimkolchev | anyway, I'll give it a shot once more |
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| 12:59.16 | abrotman | vadimkolchev: that had nothing to do with Debian |
| 12:59.31 | abrotman | vadimkolchev: I'll guess you are using fakeraid |
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| 13:00.27 | vadimkolchev | abrotman, yep, probably it had to do something with me then)) just kidding. really, I had a fresh win 7 installation, no fakeraid, and it somehow didn't recognize existing os, that was strange for me. However, I didn't try it for the second time then |
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| 13:02.36 | abrotman | vadimkolchev: It wasn't Debian, Debian has been able to detect Windows7 for quite some time .. |
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| 13:03.01 | Bwithmore14 | hello |
| 13:03.10 | Bwithmore14 | debian community |
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| 13:03.24 | vadimkolchev | abrotman, yes, I guess so. anyway I've got to try it again now, it's a different machine and win 8.1, not win 7, though I don't think they are very different (their loader parts) |
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| 13:08.16 | abrotman | Bwithmore14: english please |
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| 13:10.43 | Bwithmore14 | ok abrotman there are filipinos here in debian community ? |
| 13:11.09 | meek_geek | what up |
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| 13:12.03 | RobinJ | yesterday we installed debian stable and setup libnss-mysql-bg. it worked fine. today we updated our system, and it broke. we tried on another system which also had it set up. we upgraded it, too, and it broke. the error is always the same (except for teh su, which would be sshd in case of an ssh login) |
| 13:12.08 | RobinJ | [ 9988.146182] su[7154]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f3cb87fcfb2 sp 00007fffa1c6c2a0 error 4 in libc-2.13.so[7f3cb87c5000+182000] |
| 13:12.12 | RobinJ | can anyone give me some pointers? |
| 13:12.42 | vadimkolchev | abrotman, oh well, I remembered the problem. I had gpt and not mbr, that's why had problems with grub. I guess here I have gpt as well. How should I act about it? |
| 13:13.19 | abrotman | FIIK |
| 13:13.23 | abrotman | dpkg: tell vadimkolchev about gpt |
| 13:13.32 | abrotman | Bwithmore14: Not that I know of |
| 13:13.41 | Shadow_7 | RobinJ: Was that after a reboot? |
| 13:14.00 | vadimkolchev | abrotman, I know what gpt is, but I don't know how to make grub friendly with it |
| 13:14.23 | abrotman | vadimkolchev: it says to ask it about gparted ? |
| 13:15.46 | vadimkolchev | abrotman, I see, but I always thought that gparted is a tool designed to create partitions? I already have partition for debian, but I am positive that if i try to convert gpt to mbr, I will lose all my data and will have to reinstall and I'm not prepared to do so. What else can gparted do for me? |
| 13:16.22 | abrotman | vadimkolchev: I don't have GPT, so I won't be much help .. see if hte installation guide has more help ? |
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| 13:16.35 | vadimkolchev | abrotman, ok, thank you, anyway |
| 13:17.23 | RobinJ | Shadow_7: before it. but a reboot makes no change. |
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| 13:26.50 | RobinJ | Shadow_7: any clue? seems like even arch is more stable than debian "stable" :P |
| 13:27.10 | esakish | ... |
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| 13:27.42 | abrotman | RobinJ: that generally indicates a hardware issue .. or you've mixed versions of Debian |
| 13:30.44 | Guest96660 | I just installed my debian and I'm not in sudoers file but i need to run sudo commands |
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| 13:31.06 | Guest96660 | what can i do? |
| 13:31.08 | rtur | Guest96660: Log in as root (su) |
| 13:31.32 | Guest96660 | i think it's sth with usermod |
| 13:32.55 | Guest96660 | i want to add this user to the sudoers file |
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| 13:33.28 | Guest96660 | rtur: ? |
| 13:33.46 | abrotman | Guest96660: 'su', type the root password, then add your user to the sudo group |
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| 13:34.44 | RobinJ | abrotman: on every server includinga brand new one? no. |
| 13:34.51 | Guest96660 | abrotman: how do i add my user to user group |
| 13:35.19 | abrotman | RobinJ: pastebin your sources.list |
| 13:35.22 | rtur | Guest96660: usermod -aG group user |
| 13:35.26 | abrotman | Guest96660: how do you add your user to any group? |
| 13:35.30 | abrotman | rtur: you ruined the fun |
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| 13:35.48 | rtur | abrotman: sorry, just reacted without thinking |
| 13:36.09 | Guest96660 | usermod -a user -g sudo ? |
| 13:36.09 | petern_ | "adduser user group" |
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| 13:36.39 | RobinJ | abrotman: default wheezy repos |
| 13:36.57 | Guest96660 | sorry how do i know the group? |
| 13:37.00 | abrotman | RobinJ: you're going to have to use a pastebin and share it with the channel, also check the BTS |
| 13:37.04 | abrotman | Guest96660: 'sudo' |
| 13:37.10 | abrotman | disappears for a bit |
| 13:37.50 | RobinJ | abrotman: will do once the network guys bring back my uplink |
| 13:37.52 | Guest96660 | thanks |
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| 13:58.33 | RobinJ | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/TBQm8k3B |
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| 14:06.15 | Fooman2011 | how to compile a .mk file ? |
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| 14:06.31 | Fooman2011 | when i launche make it tell me no target |
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| 14:08.46 | rtur | make doesn't look for *.mk but Makefile/makefile/GNUmakefile. Try make -f yourmake.mk |
| 14:10.10 | Fooman2011 | rtur: it works thanks |
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| 14:14.08 | Fooman2011 | ... the makefile contains the line: tx --root="$(CURDIR)/../" pull --all --resource=$(OMV_PACKAGE).$(OMV_TRANSIFEX_SLUG) |
| 14:14.15 | Fooman2011 | tx is not found on my system |
| 14:14.26 | Fooman2011 | do you know what it is and where to find it please ? |
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| 14:20.54 | rtur | Fooman2011: check the README or INSTALL file, there should be some dependency list. If the programm is on a deb mirror you also can check build-deps with aptitude |
| 14:21.57 | AndrejsZ | Fooman2011: have a look at transifex-client package |
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| 14:24.40 | derfr | i have a problem with debian i try to install skype on debian 7 and crash |
| 14:25.08 | derfr | nobody chat with me |
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| 14:27.33 | derfr | finaly im joined |
| 14:27.51 | derfr | lol cool |
| 14:27.54 | derfr | kill all |
| 14:27.58 | derfr | remote ef |
| 14:27.58 | derfr | cerf |
| 14:27.58 | derfr | erf |
| 14:27.58 | derfr | f |
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| 14:28.22 | Fooman2011 | tahnks guys I found it |
| 14:28.26 | Fooman2011 | thanks |
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| 14:29.02 | derfr | i have a problem to debian |
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| 14:29.31 | derfr | lesve |
| 14:29.35 | derfr | os cool |
| 14:29.35 | derfr | d |
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| 14:29.37 | jelly | derfr: be patient, it's weekend in many places |
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| 14:30.12 | jelly | derfr: be patient, it's weekend in many places |
| 14:30.16 | derfr | its wekend at mee |
| 14:30.28 | jelly | !ask |
| 14:30.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:30.45 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:30.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:30.50 | derfr | nobody chat with me |
| 14:31.00 | jelly | derfr: follow the instruction above. |
| 14:31.22 | derfr | kill all |
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| 14:37.38 | deepblue | every time i press the 'open folder'button in transmission or evince,the ruthmbox opens instead.how to fix this? |
| 14:37.52 | deepblue | every time i press the 'open folder'button in transmission or evince,the rythmbox opens instead.how to fix this? |
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| 14:41.08 | mactheknife7 | What is a good pdf printing plugin in linux? |
| 14:41.32 | mactheknife7 | cups crashes... |
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| 14:49.12 | edoardo | hello! |
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| 14:49.29 | edoardo | my newly installed debian doesn't recognize eth0 anymore |
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| 14:49.45 | edoardo | how do i troubleshoot that? |
| 14:50.21 | tensorpudding | You might check the dmesg log and such. |
| 14:50.50 | edoardo | everything seems ok in dmesg, but if i do ifconfig i only get loopback |
| 14:51.20 | tensorpudding | What if you run 'ifconfig eth0 up' say? |
| 14:51.35 | edoardo | eth0: RTL8102e at 0xffffc[...] |
| 14:51.38 | edoardo | ok wait |
| 14:52.02 | edoardo | well, it worked |
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| 14:52.22 | edoardo | tensorpudding, hehe thank you |
| 14:52.40 | edoardo | now i can download my packages |
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| 14:59.08 | rgb | nkuttler, looks like it might be related to xscreensaver: http://bpaste.net/show/sHDzXFEDZ35pN73KkfGj/ |
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| 15:04.59 | SpeakerToMeat | Any idea why I can't open ssh/sftp: locations with nautilus under gksu? |
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| 15:05.22 | SpeakerToMeat | They try to open in /home/myuser/sftp:/user/ip and fail |
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| 15:12.47 | SpeakerToMeat | It seems that root in wheezy with nautilus has no access to gvfs plugins (are these still the ones being used?), can't open any non file location |
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| 15:14.55 | jelly | SpeakerToMeat: root cannot access fuse-mountpoints of other users, and gvfs is implemented with fuse |
| 15:15.16 | jelly | run nautilus as normal user |
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| 15:15.37 | levo | i'm on ubuntu, how can i install dch? |
| 15:15.48 | jelly | dpkg, tell levo about ubuntu |
| 15:16.16 | rgb | can anyone recommend a "desktop firewall"/frontend ui? is there a "default" standard on debian? |
| 15:16.22 | SpeakerToMeat | jelly: trouble is I need to copy from remote to local (local as root), so I can't run two nautilii at once, one root and none not. right? |
| 15:16.25 | jelly | levo: ask in #ubuntu or ##Linux |
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| 15:16.47 | jelly | SpeakerToMeat: why does local need to be root? |
| 15:16.56 | levo | jelly: it's not ##linux at all! i want to use dch for debian packaging |
| 15:17.03 | SpeakerToMeat | rgb: All my experience with these things end up in pain, my view is either you go full in into understanding firewalling in linux wether you later use a gui tool to help or not, or not do it. |
| 15:17.08 | SpeakerToMeat | jelly: destination directory permissions |
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| 15:17.46 | jelly | SpeakerToMeat: change them temporarily, or write the file someplace else then mv as root |
| 15:18.17 | SpeakerToMeat | jelly: Second idea is good. thanks |
| 15:19.01 | jelly | levo: ##linux is the best place I can think of. We only cater to users of Debian in here due to a number of technical and social issues |
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| 15:22.22 | SpeakerToMeat | levo: The general idea is this: "Installing programs or editing your distro's configs: ##linux/<#yourdistro>", "Using non standard tools to build a program: #<the tool>, if there is none, maybe with luck #<the programming language> or #friendly-coders", "Editing source in an app, running it, or std building process: #<the app, in this case, here>", it's a general rule in freenode |
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| 15:23.15 | levo | SpeakerToMeat: thanks |
| 15:23.26 | SpeakerToMeat | Oh my gods I'm in debian. I thought I was in gtk. |
| 15:23.50 | SpeakerToMeat | So I broke that rule too levo , I should've asked about troubles with nautilus in #gnome but jelly decided to help me |
| 15:24.06 | levo | jelly is racist :D |
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| 15:26.05 | jelly | levo: you're walking on a thin line, don't joke like that |
| 15:26.25 | levo | jelly: what do you mean? |
| 15:26.42 | jelly | accusing someone of racism |
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| 15:28.01 | levo | jelly: accusation? c'mon bro. |
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| 15:29.24 | SpeakerToMeat | levo: Give it a rest, there's no way to "win" this |
| 15:29.39 | SpeakerToMeat | Water under the bridge. |
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| 15:38.30 | levo | jelly: sorry if you felt offended. |
| 15:40.28 | jelly | levo: just... keep it to technical discussions instead of stupid jokes, please. It's a tech support channel. |
| 15:40.44 | levo | jelly: :) |
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| 15:41.45 | Sagar | how can i install 2.4.9 on Debian Wheezy 7? |
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| 15:43.02 | comradekingu | Sagar: 2.4.9 of what? |
| 15:43.11 | Sagar | Apache 2.4.9 |
| 15:43.29 | comradekingu | Find it upstream or compile |
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| 15:44.07 | tremon | ,check-backport apache2 |
| 15:44.08 | judd | Backporting package apache2 in sidĆ¢ĀĀwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libaprutil1-dev (>= 1.5.0), libapr1-dev (>= 1.5.0). |
| 15:44.16 | jelly | Sagar: there is no package of apache 2.4 for debian 7. |
| 15:45.18 | tremon | Sagar: I would not recommend this if you're going to run a public site on it, but you can backport both libapr1 and apache2. However, that would you you need to keep up with security updates manually |
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| 15:46.38 | tremon | s/you you/mean you/ |
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| 15:49.08 | Sagar | tremon: Ok but any latest update except 2.22.2 i can use? |
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| 15:50.16 | SpeakerToMeat | If it's not in the repository, there's not |
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| 15:50.28 | tremon | what do you mean with "can use"? A standard backport still uses debian sources, so you'd be backporting the current 2.4.9-2 from testing |
| 15:50.34 | SpeakerToMeat | Stable systems dont change to new majors, rarely even new minors |
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| 15:51.13 | greenit | what is an easy way to add a locale to debian? |
| 15:51.23 | jelly | !locales |
| 15:51.23 | dpkg | Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
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| 16:16.10 | helena | Hello |
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| 16:17.16 | helena | I am able to ping devices on the LAN but unable to ping devices on the internet. |
| 16:17.23 | helena | This is my ifconfig. http://pastebin.com/i3Gs6XwL |
| 16:17.48 | jelly | helena: are you running actual Debian this time? |
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| 16:17.54 | helena | jelly: Yes |
| 16:18.00 | helena | Wait, what? |
| 16:18.37 | jelly | you're always coming in with silly android devices and barely-topical stuff |
| 16:18.47 | helena | What? |
| 16:18.55 | helena | I'm running Debian, not Android! |
| 16:19.07 | jelly | has heard that before |
| 16:19.46 | jelly | helena: if you join a physical device into a bridge, configure the network on the bridge iface not eth0 |
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| 16:19.56 | Shadow_7 | helena: can you ping internet by IP? like 8.8.8.8 for google dns |
| 16:20.00 | jelly | helena: which debian release is this? |
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| 16:20.22 | helena | Shadow_7: Like I said... I can't ping out of the LAN |
| 16:20.30 | helena | Google DNS isn't on the LAN! |
| 16:20.36 | helena | jelly: Wheezy |
| 16:20.58 | ompaul | can you ping something on the lan |
| 16:21.19 | jhutchins | . |
| 16:21.20 | jelly | helena: again, remove eth0 configuration and move all its network config to xenbr0 |
| 16:21.43 | helena | ompaul: Yes |
| 16:21.47 | helena | jelly: Okay I am on to it |
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| 16:23.56 | helena | jelly, Same symptoms as before and yes I did restart the networking service. |
| 16:24.03 | helena | Lemme give you the putput of ifconfig |
| 16:24.11 | jelly | helena: reboot |
| 16:24.32 | helena | http://pastebin.com/D5quGRA5 |
| 16:24.56 | helena | jelly: Is there are workaround? I'd rather a reboot be last resort! |
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| 16:25.04 | helena | s/are/a |
| 16:25.57 | jelly | helena: I don't have experience with your VPS / VM type, so a reboot seems an easy way to get to a clear state |
| 16:26.45 | jelly | helena: the netmask on xenbr0 is not set correctly in that ifconfig output |
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| 16:27.29 | jelly | helena: what's the host type and hardware? |
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| 16:28.07 | TJ- | helena: see http://wiki.kartbuilding.net/index.php/Xen_Networking#Troubleshooting_Steps_for_Bridge_Networking |
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| 17:38.01 | Psychon4ut | Hi, do I have to compile a own kernel also with the target kernel_source to get it working with dkms module building ? |
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| 17:38.20 | Psychon4ut | seems that kernel_headers isn't sufficient |
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| 17:39.02 | babilen | You shouldn't have to compile a kernel at all to use DKMS, the stock kernel should work just fine (just install the headers) |
| 17:39.25 | Psychon4ut | I compiling because I use a specific patch |
| 17:39.47 | Psychon4ut | So I want to get my own kernel working with that |
| 17:39.55 | babilen | Ah, and you followed http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html ? |
| 17:40.58 | babilen | I'm frankly not sure what you have to do to integrate a vanilla kernel with DKMS, but wouldn't expect it to be too hard. It should work right away if base it on the Debian packaging though. |
| 17:41.06 | Psychon4ut | I am using make-kpkg |
| 17:42.14 | Psychon4ut | the dkms module is compiling well for the stock kernel, but not for my selfbuild |
| 17:42.31 | Psychon4ut | and I compile headers of course |
| 17:42.54 | babilen | make-kpkg has been deprecated and I wouldn't recommend to use it anymore. |
| 17:43.34 | babilen | But you would, IIRC, have to instruct make-kpkg specifically to create the header packages. |
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| 17:43.51 | foo | Had some load issues on a server. Logged into console. Saw this: http://screencast.com/t/u2kwJc2F - any two cents on what this is/means? |
| 17:43.53 | Psychon4ut | sure with the target, I already did that |
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| 17:46.00 | duggles | foo: the timeout is usually because it can't access a file. are you running the DB over something like NFS? if so, maybe check the connection |
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| 17:49.31 | foo | duggles: nope, it's all local. I had to reboot the server. Open to any two cents, not sure what would cause that. So something was preventing file access? I don't think I have a I/O bottleneck, shouldn't |
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| 17:55.01 | foo | duggles: So the filesystem is preventing access to a file. That's so weird. |
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| 18:02.50 | israel | Anyone here familiar with cmake and debian packaging? |
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| 18:26.27 | donofrio | paste.debian.net/109368 is the list of packages that dpkg should be installing but it doesn't seem to be reading it when I dpkg --set-selections < package_list_file |
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| 18:27.58 | formorer | donofrio: did you executed dpkg --update-avail before --set-selections? |
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| 18:28.13 | donofrio | oh no I'll try that |
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| 18:30.51 | donofrio | just get paste.debian.net/109369 )-: |
| 18:31.42 | donofrio | now when I manually do an apt-get install abiwo(tab - it completes) and then I could install abiword so I know the database is good? |
| 18:31.43 | formorer | dpkg --update-avail should prevent these errors |
| 18:31.43 | dpkg | formorer: are you using Windows? |
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| 18:32.48 | formorer | apt-get install deselect and dselect update should also work q |
| 18:33.00 | donofrio | root@debian:~# dpkg --update-avail |
| 18:33.00 | donofrio | Replacing available packages info, using -. |
| 18:33.00 | donofrio | Information about 0 packages was updated. |
| 18:33.04 | donofrio | )-: |
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| 18:33.44 | donofrio | stock netinstall |
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| 18:33.58 | donofrio | updated of course |
| 18:35.21 | formorer | donofrio: https://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2012/03/msg00067.html |
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| 18:39.56 | donofrio | I also failed at stripping off EOL and putting the whole list into one huge apt-get install commandline buit it failed ): how to pipe a file to apt-get install? |
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| 18:40.27 | formorer | donofrio: using one of the three methods on the mail should work. |
| 18:40.39 | formorer | (in advance of the --set-selections) |
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| 18:44.42 | somiaj | donofrio: /msg dpkg clone (there may be different methods there) Depending on if you want to set manual/auto flags when you do that, notice the aptitude method |
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| 18:45.35 | somiaj | donofrio: sorry it is /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 18:47.24 | hyper_ch | Hi there, I have a problem with the locale on my debian wheezy... for some reason the system keeps complaining about them not being available |
| 18:47.57 | abrotman | so generate some |
| 18:48.36 | somiaj | hyper_ch: apt-get install locales && dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:48.57 | somiaj | most likely they are installed, so the second thing may be all you need |
| 18:49.00 | donofrio | no joy still |
| 18:49.54 | hyper_ch | somiaj: already did so |
| 18:49.59 | donofrio | somiaj: no they are not install this was a stock netinstall without gui, the apt-list was from fully setup and confured system |
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| 18:50.50 | hyper_ch | found problem |
| 18:51.11 | somiaj | donofrio: correct, I was giving you a factoid on how to clone a fully setup and configured systems packages. I was just suggeinst aptitude because you can keep track of auto/manual install flags with that method. |
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| 18:51.48 | hyper_ch | somiaj: for some reason it wanted also different locale than the ones I had installed |
| 18:52.03 | donofrio | formorer: no joy on your link....I ran the first and third options and still no new packages |
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| 18:53.13 | formorer | you ran this commands and did --set-selections afterwards and apt-get dselect-upgrade afterwards? |
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| 18:53.36 | donofrio | yep did them idea..... |
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| 18:53.59 | somiaj | hyper_ch: as both abrotman and I said, you needed to generate the locales. dpkg-reconfigure locales allows you to select which ones you need to generate for your machine. |
| 18:54.26 | donofrio | why di the package not in databa=se line numbrs keep growing |
| 18:54.36 | donofrio | was at line 500 from my paste |
| 18:54.46 | donofrio | but now its line 1423 |
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| 19:21.52 | rgb | i'm about to install debian 7.5. i chose to encrypt the disk inside the graphical installer. it canceled the erase process because it takes pretty long to wipe the entire disk. will the disk/partition still be encrypted? |
| 19:22.15 | babilen | rgb: Yes, it will. |
| 19:22.17 | tremon | rgb: I'm surprised the installer lets you proceed without it |
| 19:23.02 | rgb | btw s/it canceled/i canceled |
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| 19:24.24 | rgb | babilen so i assume the purpose of the process of erasing the disk is to safely remove any previous traces of data before encrypting the disk actually? |
| 19:24.53 | rgb | tremon, well yes i was surprised, too :) |
| 19:25.54 | tremon | rgb: yes, that and to obfuscate to an attacker which part of the disk is in use, and which are not |
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| 19:26.12 | babilen | rgb: That is the case, yes |
| 19:26.38 | rgb | ok, since the installation lives inside a virtual machine i guess everything should be fine then anyway |
| 19:27.38 | rgb | how could i safely check if the volume is encrypted? would blkid show some relevant data about it? |
| 19:28.33 | Blue11 | rgb: ever considered lxc (containers?) |
| 19:29.22 | rgb | Blue11 never heard of them before :) |
| 19:29.54 | Blue11 | let me see if I can find something hang |
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| 19:31.59 | rgb | Blue11, found the wikipedia article, sounds interesting :) |
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| 19:33.20 | rgb | sounds like python's virtualenv |
| 19:33.24 | rgb | in some way |
| 19:35.02 | Blue11 | rgb: found it: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/lxc.html |
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| 19:35.35 | Blue11 | rgb: run linux inside of linux |
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| 19:37.05 | rgb | thanks, Blue11 and of course babilen and tremon ^^ |
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| 19:37.36 | Blue11 | welcome |
| 19:37.38 | gewt | so uhhhh |
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| 19:38.04 | gewt | i have experimental in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:38.12 | gewt | and i'm trying to apt-get install -t experimental a package |
| 19:38.19 | gewt | ...but it's still installing it from testing. |
| 19:38.41 | abrotman | did you update? |
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| 19:39.29 | gewt | yes |
| 19:39.31 | gewt | repeatedly |
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| 19:39.51 | abrotman | pastebin your sources.list and apt-cache policy foopkg |
| 19:40.46 | gewt | ?! |
| 19:40.54 | gewt | apparently the package...no longer exists in experimental? |
| 19:41.51 | gewt | looks like it's in unstable now, apparently. |
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| 19:47.51 | babilen | slinnky: Yes? |
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| 20:22.21 | n-st | hi, i've got a problem with my ipv6 connectivity on a debian wheezy system: i'm using dhcpv6 and the router is advertising the 2002:cba0:49fa::/64 prefix (a 6to4 subnet), but one system on the network always picks up an address from the 2002:cba0:526a::/64 subnet i've been assigned previously, but haven't had for over a week now. i have to manually delete the 526a address approximately every three minutes to maintain ipv6 connectivity, whic |
| 20:22.23 | n-st | h is simply impractical. what could be causing this? |
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| 20:27.57 | dutchfish | n-st, what is in /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/autoconf ? |
| 20:28.11 | n-st | dutchfish: 1 |
| 20:28.24 | dutchfish | n-st, make it 0 and try again? |
| 20:28.38 | dutchfish | n-st, dhcpv6 right? |
| 20:28.45 | n-st | dutchfish: yes |
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| 20:29.01 | n-st | dutchfish: i tried autoconf once, but then the system didn't get an ip at all |
| 20:29.18 | dutchfish | n-st, try it and let me know |
| 20:29.32 | dutchfish | n-st, also check logs |
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| 20:32.15 | dutchfish | n-st, debian wheezy with stock kernel right? |
| 20:32.35 | n-st | dutchfish: the only log entries concerning that ip are from ntpd when i binds to the address and from sudo when i delete it from the interface |
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| 20:33.36 | dutchfish | n-st, service ntp stop (for now, then check again logs with autoconfig = 0) what is the outcome? |
| 20:35.32 | n-st | dutchfish: the ip still doesn't turn up in the logs |
| 20:35.57 | dutchfish | n-st, ifconfig shows ipv6? |
| 20:36.03 | n-st | and so far (after disabling autoconf and ip addr del'ing it), it hasn't appeared again |
| 20:36.21 | n-st | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/Dd9ETnzf (that's before disabling autoconf and removing the address) |
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| 20:38.08 | dutchfish | n-st, mm... weird, it should respond to dhcpv6, also check this http://www.rjsystems.nl/en/2100-dhcpv6-stateful-autocfg.php |
| 20:38.56 | n-st | dutchfish: shouldn't this works without any additional packages? |
| 20:39.59 | dutchfish | n-st, as far as i know this is all involved for a basic setup https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
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| 20:40.36 | viccuad | does anyone use Atom Editor on Debian? |
| 20:41.08 | dutchfish | n-st, for dhcpv6 https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/wide-dhcpv6-client |
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| 20:41.53 | dutchfish | n-st, thats all |
| 20:42.11 | babilen | viccuad: I would be surprised if nobody uses it |
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| 20:42.35 | n-st | dutchfish: doesn't debian (at least wheezy) support dhcpv6 out of the box? if not, how did i get my ip in the first place? |
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| 20:42.43 | babilen | viccuad: It has, however, not been packaged so you cannot check how many reported their usage on popcon |
| 20:42.55 | viccuad | babilen: I cannot find an official debian package urge for it |
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| 20:43.20 | dutchfish | n-st, thats weird, i have no answer to do, i am not an ipv6 expert, maybe others can answer that |
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| 20:44.08 | dutchfish | n-st, or something has been altered after the initial install |
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| 20:44.50 | babilen | viccuad: Yes, there does not seem to be one. See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=747824 for details |
| 20:44.53 | n-st | dutchfish: the strange part is that ipv6 works without any configuration on all systems on the network, except this one box |
| 20:45.11 | viccuad | babilen: thanks |
| 20:45.13 | n-st | and all the others also notice that they're getting a dynamic 6to4 address: http://pastebin.com/VYMFVKYP |
| 20:45.44 | n-st | oh, and autoconf is enabled on all of them |
| 20:46.07 | dutchfish | n-st, also check buglist https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/wide-dhcpv6 |
| 20:46.08 | n-st | dutchfish: the incorrect address just came back :| |
| 20:46.39 | babilen | viccuad: https://github.com/atom/atom/blob/master/docs/build-instructions/linux.md + stow |
| 20:46.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell viccuad -about stow usage |
| 20:47.11 | viccuad | thanks! |
| 20:47.26 | babilen | have fun |
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| 20:48.35 | MO_Handes | I want to setup pptp vpn server on my home network so I can find out which clients use traffic and limit their bandwidth. best tool for doing this? |
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| 20:50.01 | foo | Just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy. apache problems starting up. I'm getting: [crit] (22)Invalid argument: alloc_listener: failed to get a socket for (null) . Following this now: http://serverfault.com/questions/496989/apache-in-linux-vserver-wont-start-cant-create-socket |
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| 20:50.19 | foo | apt-get source libapr1 says E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list - I think I just add source. /me tries |
| 20:50.20 | Elirips | Hello. How can I tell the installer to choose kde as desktop environment? |
| 20:50.35 | Elirips | i'm using netinst, which i put on a bootable usb-stick (from windows, using unetbootin) |
| 20:50.51 | dutchfish | n-st, have you checked the dhcp server? |
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| 20:51.14 | dutchfish | ty |
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| 20:51.26 | foo | I have deb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/debian/ wheezy main contrib and deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main in sources.list - I tried addindg source to the end of both lines but no go, any two cents? |
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| 20:51.36 | n-st | how/what exactly? i'm just using the dhcp server integrated in my router |
| 20:51.46 | horsik_ | hi, is there a reason why systemd rdepends on initscripts? |
| 20:51.55 | horsik_ | isn't that like a sysvinit thing? |
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| 20:52.26 | abrotman | foo: what line did you try to add? |
| 20:52.48 | babilen | foo: Which kernel version do you have? What does "uname -a" give you? |
| 20:53.19 | foo | abrotman: I did it wrong. :) Added another line with deb-src at the front |
| 20:53.38 | foo | babilen: 2.6.26-2-xen-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 5 02:55:27 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:53.47 | abrotman | foo: that's not a wheezy kernel .. |
| 20:53.50 | babilen | foo: Please upgrade to the kernel version in wheezy (3.2) |
| 20:53.57 | dutchfish | n-st, fyi the only time i have encountered such behavior was when a rogue dhcp server was on that lan |
| 20:54.20 | foo | babilen: I saw an error on that. How do I upgrade? On production server now. Not sure why this wasn't done automatically in update |
| 20:55.16 | babilen | foo: You should probably install a metapackage so that you don't forgot this at the next time. You want linux-image-amd64 |
| 20:55.38 | foo | babilen: thank you, installing linux-image-amd64 now |
| 20:55.57 | foo | babilen: and then I'll reboot. I did see [FAIL] udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.32, not started ... failed! failed! |
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| 20:56.44 | babilen | foo: Yes, you need a newer kernel. Your current kernel is *ancient* (it was outdated in squeeze too) |
| 20:57.03 | foo | babilen: geez, that's not good. I hope this will fix my [crit] (22)Invalid argument: alloc_listener: failed to get a socket for (null) error :) |
| 20:57.10 | babilen | It will |
| 20:57.12 | foo | babilen: but if not, will tackle that after this. Thank you! Not sure how this happened |
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| 20:57.52 | babilen | You forgot to install the metapackage (or to upgrade the kernel packages explicitly while upgrading from lenny to squeeze and now from squeeze to wheezy) |
| 20:57.54 | foo | babilen / abrotman - thank you a lot, appreciate the help. :) |
| 20:57.58 | foo | babilen: I see! |
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| 21:00.52 | foo | babilen: hm, just rebooted and got this: http://pastebin.com/FL6g3p4c |
| 21:00.56 | foo | guklps |
| 21:01.51 | foo | babilen: ok, rebooting again, saw this: [FAIL....] udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.32, not started ... failed! |
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| 21:02.57 | foo | babilen: 2.6.26-2-xen-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 5 02:55:27 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux - hm, look like apt-get install linux-image-amd64 was not enough |
| 21:03.12 | foo | babilen: do I need to set the default kernel manually? |
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| 21:03.42 | foo | (or abrotman ^^) |
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| 21:04.18 | abrotman | foo: shouldn't have to .. |
| 21:04.36 | Tasab | how i can connect to internet using the terminal , my gdm broken |
| 21:05.11 | foo | babilen: hmm, so I did see this during startup: http://pastebin.com/FL6g3p4c - still on old kernel, any two cents what I can do next? Very weird |
| 21:05.17 | foo | whoops, abrotman ^^ |
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| 21:05.26 | n-st | Tasab: are you using ethernet, wifi or something else? |
| 21:05.47 | babilen | foo: Who knows what /usr/local/xc/current/bin/xencons-sh is -- it is certainly not in Debian. |
| 21:05.53 | Tasab | SG75 modem - usb |
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| 21:06.07 | n-st | oh. i pass. |
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| 21:06.27 | foo | babilen: any two cents on how I can find what's calling that? This is a production system, I know, my fault for not doing this in a test environment first. :X |
| 21:06.53 | babilen | foo: What does /boot/grub/grub.cfg contain? What does "aptitude search '~i~n^linux-image'" and "update-grub2" give you? |
| 21:06.56 | Tasab | n-st, no prob , tks anyway |
| 21:07.08 | babilen | foo: You could grep in /etc?! |
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| 21:07.57 | smoke_ | im on wheezy, and i installed pepperflashplugin, the regular adobe flash plugin all the newest versions but my chromium still doesnt recognize the flash player anyone know anything about this? |
| 21:08.06 | n-st | Tasab: well, you don't actually need gdm to start a gui program. you could manually start an xsession and run whatever you need to connect in there |
| 21:08.19 | foo | babilen: I was connected to a console and just happened to copy/paste that message |
| 21:08.28 | babilen | smoke_: Are you sure that the chromium version in wheezy works with that? |
| 21:08.38 | abrotman | smoke_: how did you test 'newest' ? |
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| 21:09.05 | slinnky | smoke_, take a look in chrome://extensions |
| 21:09.06 | smoke_ | abrotman, well, i used the update command line, it said it was at the newest version, im guessing something is wrong with chromium |
| 21:09.16 | babilen | foo: yeah, sure .. but I really don't know what it is. It is obviously due to some local change that should have been documented .. I'd grep in /etc for that script to see what calls/uses it. |
| 21:09.16 | smoke_ | how do i enable the flash extension? |
| 21:09.27 | slinnky | smoke_, take a look in chrome://extensions |
| 21:09.32 | foo | babilen: here's this: http://pastebin.com/eP34bXCd - getting you grub.lst now |
| 21:09.41 | foo | babilen: doing now |
| 21:09.45 | smoke_ | slinnky, i did, its not listed, how do i install it? |
| 21:09.52 | smoke_ | into the chromium extensions? |
| 21:10.01 | slinnky | sorry chrome://plugins |
| 21:10.05 | babilen | Oh, please use http://paste.debian.net or http://refheap.com or gist.github.com or ... and not pastebin.com (which is just horrible) |
| 21:10.12 | Tasab | n-st, umm - my system starting with the text mode only , then how i can configure the modem thro' the terminal , this is the problem |
| 21:10.17 | slinnky | is it listed in chrome://plugins? |
| 21:10.20 | smoke_ | slinnky, its not listed |
| 21:10.28 | foo | babilen: ok, good to know. |
| 21:10.34 | babilen | foo: Your /boot/grub/grub.cfg is missing. |
| 21:10.40 | foo | babilen: nothing for grep -iR xencons * |
| 21:10.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell foo -about pastebin.com |
| 21:10.52 | foo | babilen: ok, i sthere a way to generate it? |
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| 21:11.05 | babilen | foo: They are essentially internet leeches that bleed the uninitiated and provide a horrible interface |
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| 21:11.25 | aeyesi | hello debianers, someone has skill with touchpad/usb mouse fixing? <,< |
| 21:11.25 | foo | babilen: you're not the first to tell me it's bad, I just never understood why |
| 21:11.29 | babilen | foo: What do you mean to generate it? Don't you have it? Did you upgrade to grub2 ? |
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| 21:11.38 | smoke_ | slinnky, should i reinstall chromium? |
| 21:12.12 | babilen | foo: Do you have a /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 21:12.29 | foo | babilen: Ohh, my confusion, yes. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6290840/grub.cfg |
| 21:12.46 | foo | babilen: You were telling me it was missing as in I didn't share it, not that it's missing from my system. doh. |
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| 21:13.34 | n-st | Tasab: you can login on the console and start an xsession (e.g. a gnome-session) without using gdm |
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| 21:13.58 | babilen | foo: What about your /etc/default/grub file? |
| 21:14.31 | babilen | foo: But you could just remove all those old kernels .. it wouldn't have another option (well, it could fail to boot, but ... ;) |
| 21:14.49 | foo | babilen: ha! /me gets grub |
| 21:14.52 | babilen | The 3.2 kernel seems to be configured as default |
| 21:14.54 | slinnky | smoke_, did you try running 'sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install' ? |
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| 21:15.04 | babilen | (default="0") |
| 21:15.17 | Tasab | n-st, tried the same way but failed |
| 21:15.17 | smoke_ | slinnky, hmm i did let me try again |
| 21:15.33 | abrotman | smoke_: you do have to restart the browser after updating |
| 21:15.37 | foo | babilen: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6290840/grub - really appreciate your help! |
| 21:15.42 | slinnky | well if you already did that............. |
| 21:15.42 | smoke_ | slinnky, no it didnt work |
| 21:15.52 | smoke_ | and yes i restarted the browser/left it close while updating |
| 21:15.55 | n-st | Tasab: hmm, then it's probably gnome that's screwed up, not gdm |
| 21:16.07 | n-st | Tasab: what program do you normally use to connect? |
| 21:16.08 | abrotman | smoke_: checked about:plugins ? |
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| 21:16.20 | smoke_ | abrotman, yeah, i did |
| 21:16.32 | smoke_ | only thing listed is the chromium viewer |
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| 21:16.37 | smoke_ | err chromoting viewer |
| 21:17.13 | babilen | foo: I can't see anything wrong with that. I'd remove the other kernels and see that (you *do* have out-of-band, don't you? (e.g. drac or so)) |
| 21:17.25 | babilen | *and see how that behaves |
| 21:17.35 | Tasab | yep U R right the gnome correpted also endeavor 2 re-install also no way |
| 21:18.06 | foo | babilen: I do have remote console access, ok. So comment out all other kernels |
| 21:18.16 | slinnky | smoke_, is there another session of chromium running? maybe in a different workspace? |
| 21:18.35 | n-st | Tasab: i'm afraid i don't quite understand you... |
| 21:18.55 | babilen | foo: No, I would just uninstall/purge them |
| 21:19.16 | foo | babilen: ok, apt-get remove --purge ____ - will do |
| 21:19.44 | MO_Handes | any way to manage bandwidth on a pptp vpn server? |
| 21:20.01 | babilen | foo: You would still have them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ if you really have to reinstall them (because something external (what?) hardcodes the kernel and overrides grub.cfg |
| 21:20.17 | foo | babilen: This system is in the cloud, not dedicated. Not sure if that's important |
| 21:21.02 | Tasab | n-st, easy the gnome & gdm both not working properly , caused tried to upgrade some packages then the system fail to work on the graphic mode only working on text mode , hope now you get me - tks |
| 21:21.11 | babilen | foo: Yeah, that much was obvious. You *might* have to speak to your hoster as they might do something funky (I know we do, so yours might too...) |
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| 21:21.43 | n-st | Tasab: so what program do you normally use to establish a connection with your modem? |
| 21:22.12 | foo | babilen: ok, thank you! Will try this first |
| 21:23.49 | foo | babilen: the kernel I want to be on is linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 - right? |
| 21:24.13 | babilen | yeah |
| 21:24.40 | smoke_ | slinnky, ok, im an official idiot thank you |
| 21:24.45 | smoke_ | had chromium in another workspace LOL |
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| 21:24.53 | slinnky | smoke_, haha it's all good |
| 21:25.04 | slinnky | Does flash work though? |
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| 21:27.21 | babilen | foo: I should note that it is rather late here and I might not be quite as assiduous when arduously reading/checking as beautiful configuration files as grub.cfg, so there might very well still be a different kernel selected as default. |
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| 21:27.37 | foo | babilen: no problem! i am rebooting now |
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| 21:27.44 | foo | babilen: hope this fixes it :) |
| 21:27.52 | foo | babilen: appreciate your transparency |
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| 21:28.25 | foo | babilen: dang it, still got that error message. Let's see what kernel it boots into |
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| 21:29.28 | foo | babilen: hmm, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f1bd18f7/ |
| 21:29.58 | Tasab | n-st, sori @ the moment using windows and disconnected , am using wvdial for my modem connection - tks |
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| 21:30.25 | foo | babilen: now it's not booting into anything with no options. calling data center |
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| 21:31.37 | n-st | Tasab: it seems like wvdial runs on the terminal anyway, so you could just use it there |
| 21:33.31 | babilen | foo: Is that Xen PV or PVHVM? |
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| 21:34.03 | foo | babilen: not sure, just called data center, they're looking into it |
| 21:34.11 | foo | babilen: meanwhile, I'll google what the heck this is |
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| 21:34.57 | babilen | foo: Also look into http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/PyGrub (it might be that you get the domU kernel, but then .26?) |
| 21:34.59 | foo | babilen: no results for this file... very strange. |
| 21:35.03 | babilen | err, dom0 naturally |
| 21:35.10 | foo | babilen: eg. Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at /usr/local/xc/current/bin/xencons-sh line 57 (#1) |
| 21:35.20 | babilen | *shrug* |
| 21:35.53 | jerng | hi all! I have a webserver (RasbPi) running in combination with a dynamic dns service. in addition, i have a "real" dns entry that points to the dynamic dns name (not the IP!). I'd like to run the webserver with SSL. I'm struggling if this is even possible... I'd tried creating self-signed certificates with multi domain (0.commonName, 1.commonName, ...) and v3_req subjectAltName, but so far I didn't get it running. Hence my question: is thi |
| 21:36.08 | babilen | foo: Discuss it with your hoster, they will know their systems better than what we can conclude by performing experiments here :) |
| 21:36.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell jerng -about raspbian |
| 21:36.44 | foo | babilen: appreciate it :) I really hope they call back with good news. thank you for all your help thus far. It's your fault I removed all the kernels, BTW. I kid, I kid. :) Seemed like a good idea, darn weird. |
| 21:36.49 | jerng | babilen: i think it's not raspian specific... |
| 21:37.01 | babilen | foo: Ask them specifically about pygrub and if they respect your grub.cfg |
| 21:37.31 | abrotman | jerng: we do not support raspbian here. |
| 21:37.51 | foo | babilen: aha! ok, good to know |
| 21:38.16 | babilen | jerng: This channel still only supports pure Debian and none of its derivates for a number of social and technical reasons. If #raspbian is not much help you could ask in ##linux or #httpd as well as #openssl |
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| 21:38.41 | jerng | babilen: #openssl would be a good idea :) |
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| 21:39.25 | babilen | All the best (and please keep our channel policy in mind) :) |
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| 21:40.22 | easyxz | which app|where to download/use to flash usb with iso on >windows |
| 21:40.47 | slinnky | easyxz, pendrive linux |
| 21:41.13 | easyxz | thx |
| 21:41.17 | slinnky | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ |
| 21:41.20 | babilen | no |
| 21:41.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell easyxz -about usb install |
| 21:42.02 | easyxz | it worked once now it doesnt anymore |
| 21:42.25 | easyxz | had to enable legacy, .., gotta see now |
| 21:42.34 | babilen | wut? |
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| 21:43.02 | slinnky | you disabled UEFI? |
| 21:43.47 | babilen | Wheezy support UEFI |
| 21:43.51 | babilen | +s |
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| 21:45.16 | easyxz | i dunno |
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| 21:45.28 | easyxz | bios legacy on works, didnt try off but safe boot off too |
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| 21:45.45 | slinnky | if legacy bios works you can just roll with that |
| 21:45.54 | monotoko2 | is there anything that will record my screen in a half-decent framerate without slowing my PC down? |
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| 21:46.08 | monotoko2 | trying to record a civilisation game |
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| 21:47.03 | easyxz | maybe while sleep .2; do cat /dev/fb0 >/tmp/fb$((++i)); done |
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| 21:47.15 | easyxz | nevermind |
| 21:47.30 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 21:47.32 | babilen | indeed |
| 21:47.33 | slinnky | lol |
| 21:47.40 | babilen | No, not "lol" at all |
| 21:47.55 | foo | babilen: dang, not looking good. http://paste.debian.net/hidden/0cb4be9a/ |
| 21:48.00 | foo | babilen: that's from a tech |
| 21:48.20 | SpeakerToMeat | Bye bye froods |
| 21:48.24 | abrotman | enjoys the pasting of "hidden" pastes in a public/unencrypted/publicly-logged channel |
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| 21:48.37 | foo | abrotman: sure! Not so loud, you're going to blow my cover. |
| 21:48.43 | foo | abrotman: ssssh * |
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| 21:51.56 | babilen | foo: Do you have a /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 21:52.08 | foo | babilen: yes |
| 21:52.22 | foo | babilen: Well, I can't boot into it now - it doesn't boot at all... but menu.lst was there. |
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| 21:53.49 | foo | babilen: I imagine they should be able to boot into some sort of recovery mode and edit the menu.lst |
| 21:54.01 | foo | babilen: (right?) - this is internap, fwiw. |
| 21:54.02 | babilen | foo: Maybe pygrub is using that (or they are using a horribly outdated version of pygrub that doesn't support grub2) and you could mv it somewhere else (so that it uses grub.cfg) |
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| 21:54.42 | babilen | foo: Yes, they should. It's also rather their problem than yours. I mean you have to deal with the fallout. |
| 21:54.52 | babilen | Let's see which pygrub version they would need for that. |
| 21:55.21 | foo | babilen: hey, if they can get it working in the next 30m-1h, I'm a happy camper. We have dozens of production sites on here and fortunately I haven't had any customer complaints yet |
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| 21:55.41 | foo | babilen: sounds like my system was really outdated and needed something anyway. |
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| 21:56.16 | babilen | foo: I guess that their xen-utils version is outdated (but then you shouldn't debug their system) |
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| 21:56.59 | babilen | foo: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=599243 btw |
| 21:57.02 | foo | babilen: yeah, I see what you're saying. Not too familiar with xen myself. |
| 21:57.26 | foo | babilen: ohh! /me checks this out |
| 21:57.48 | babilen | foo: They need xen-utils 4.0.1-2 -- yeah, i'm just trying to enable you to talk to them in a more informed manner |
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| 21:58.01 | foo | babilen: can't tell you how much I appreciate this. :) |
| 21:59.01 | babilen | I mean it might be an entirely different problem (i.e. not related to the grub2 transition) |
| 21:59.39 | foo | babilen: so, they're using xen, and xen overrides grub's boot loader (or, interacts with it?). Their version of xen tools which is responsible for this has a compatibility issue with grub2 - right? |
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| 22:00.39 | babilen | foo: I mean alternatively hack your own menu.lst (pygub will just read that unconditionally) and mv grub.cfg somewhere else. update-grub2 naturally doesn't update the content of menu.lst |
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| 22:00.55 | babilen | foo: Yes, that is more or less it. |
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| 22:01.35 | babilen | It doesn't override it, but simply reads the information in those files (and can't handle the grub2 conventions in early versions) |
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| 22:01.40 | foo | babilen: so squeeze had grub, and wheezy has grub2 - right? |
| 22:01.46 | babilen | yeah |
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| 22:02.33 | babilen | Well, you could have upgraded earlier, but my current working hypothesis is that it was this transition (coupled with an older xen-utils version on their side) that caused this problem. |
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| 22:02.52 | foo | babilen: good stuff, just tipped them of |
| 22:02.53 | foo | off |
| 22:02.58 | babilen | So, either you switch back to grub1 or they get their shit together :) |
| 22:03.10 | babilen | It might still be something else though |
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| 22:03.45 | foo | babilen: how would I switch back to grub1 if I can't boot the system at all? They'd need to boot into recovery mode, mount my partitions, chroot into them, then do it - right? |
| 22:03.58 | Shadow_7 | wheezy has both... grub1 is grub-legacy naming wise |
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| 22:04.17 | edoardo | what's the proper way to install Cinnamon? |
| 22:04.21 | Shadow_7 | foo boot a live image or usb distro and chroot to the install |
| 22:04.59 | babilen | foo: Well, you can't boot it right now so you can either do so out-of-band (and then chroot into the system) |
| 22:04.59 | edoardo | debian 7.5, just installed |
| 22:05.11 | babilen | judd: v cinnamon |
| 22:05.13 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 1.7.4-2.2+b2; experimental: 2.2.13-1 |
| 22:05.25 | slinnky | yeah it's not in wheezy |
| 22:05.28 | babilen | edoardo: It's not available in wheezy |
| 22:05.37 | edoardo | so, no cinnamon for me? |
| 22:05.43 | babilen | exactly |
| 22:05.47 | Striki | we are creating our own debian packages for our own software that will not be hosted upstream. What's the benefit of creating a source package then? |
| 22:05.51 | babilen | Well, not in wheezy at least. |
| 22:05.52 | edoardo | ou... |
| 22:06.16 | edoardo | what do you guys use? |
| 22:06.26 | slinnky | edoardo, linux mint |
| 22:06.27 | babilen | i3 and awesome |
| 22:06.55 | foo | Shadow_7: good to know, thank you for chiming in :) |
| 22:06.56 | foo | babilen: gotcha |
| 22:07.04 | shay_shay | I use dwm + dmenu |
| 22:07.26 | foo | Shadow_7 / babilen - response from tech: "I am looking into that error specifically now. I have the iscsi mounted and am hoping to resolve asap. I agree and think your on the right track." |
| 22:07.33 | babilen | edoardo: But then just use whatever you feel comfortable with. There are a number of great DEs and window managers in Debian, but cinnamon is only available in unstabl. You could, if you are familiar enough with Debian, naturally consider tracking unstable or a testing/unstbale mix. |
| 22:07.55 | shay_shay | edoardo: try mate 1.8 from wheezy-backports |
| 22:08.02 | edoardo | babilen, i always use xfce, but i wanted to change a bit |
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| 22:08.12 | Shadow_7 | shay_shay: I use cwm. But no package for it. 6k lines of code so not really an issue. |
| 22:08.23 | babilen | edoardo: If you really want cinnamon you might just consider using a different distribition and one at that that comes with cinnamon natively. (i.e. mint) |
| 22:08.48 | shay_shay | Fedora has cinnamon too |
| 22:08.48 | slinnky | edoardo, http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-cinnamon-1-8-on-debian-7-0-wheezy.html |
| 22:08.49 | edoardo | they are the same for me, i only wanted to change from xfce |
| 22:09.01 | edoardo | the mint repo is broken, btw |
| 22:09.06 | babilen | foo: great, it's probably just an outdated dom0 on their part |
| 22:09.07 | Shadow_7 | all the perks of a normal wm without the extra graphics bits. So much more screen real-estate and so performant |
| 22:09.39 | edoardo | is kde5 really that good? |
| 22:09.47 | slinnky | edoardo, KDE is beautiful |
| 22:10.06 | Shadow_7 | cwm was my reference... kde has always been slow for anything ever... on consumer grade gear |
| 22:10.11 | babilen | slinnky: Please do not advocate mixing release/distribitions in here as it will render the system of the user unsupportable. |
| 22:10.27 | babilen | *distributions |
| 22:10.27 | shay_shay | Shadow_7: too leet for me |
| 22:10.50 | Shadow_7 | shay_shay: the man page for cwm is like 2 pages at 80x25 |
| 22:10.58 | edoardo | well |
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| 22:11.06 | edoardo | cwm seems too essential |
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| 22:11.30 | shay_shay | Minimal? |
| 22:11.33 | edoardo | but i do agree that it could be more efficient as of working |
| 22:11.37 | thingamabob | 19 updates was this maybe a time unsecure? :) |
| 22:11.51 | Shadow_7 | it does kind of suck for irssi in a terminal or if emulate3button fails for your mouse |
| 22:12.20 | Shadow_7 | shay_shay: it is pretty minimal. Not as minimal as dwm, but not a tiling headache either. |
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| 22:12.53 | shay_shay | Shadow_7: dwm has a window mode as well |
| 22:13.02 | edoardo | let's see if this work |
| 22:13.04 | edoardo | judd, v kde |
| 22:13.06 | judd | Package: kde on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66 |
| 22:13.10 | edoardo | heh |
| 22:13.24 | babilen | edoardo: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 22:14.03 | edoardo | so, we still don't have kde 5 in debian |
| 22:14.09 | edoardo | or isn't it out yet? |
| 22:14.36 | slinnky | debain wheezy is usually far behind the latest release |
| 22:14.48 | slinnky | pretty conservative distro |
| 22:14.57 | slinnky | er, debian 'stable' |
| 22:15.37 | babilen | edoardo: I couldn't care less about KDE, but it appears as if KDE Announces 4.13.2 was the last release |
| 22:15.42 | edoardo | hmm |
| 22:15.53 | edoardo | what if i upgrade debian wheezy to jessie? |
| 22:15.57 | babilen | slinnky: "stable" in the context of Debian simply means "not changing" |
| 22:16.11 | slinnky | Linux Mint Debian Edition actually tracks 'testing', iirc, edoardo |
| 22:16.15 | babilen | edoardo: Then KDE still hasn't released KDE 5 ;) |
| 22:16.31 | slinnky | that might be an option for you if you really wanted cinnamon |
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| 22:16.59 | Shadow_7 | shay_shay: what I like about cwm is that you can move the mouse cursor with the keyboard. What I don't like is no tabbing between apps. |
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| 22:17.12 | babilen | edoardo: It would get you 4.10 rather than 4.8 though and with "/msg dpkg tum" you could easily (?) grab 4.11 from unstable. |
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| 22:17.30 | edoardo | and break debian :P |
| 22:18.59 | shay_shay | Its not so terrible to track Jessie/testing if you want to have the newest desktop and there is no back ports. Then baxkporting from unstable/experimental becomes a lot easier |
| 22:19.05 | Shadow_7 | shay_shay: what I do like is layering abilities, i.e. application on top can be the inactive window. And mouse follow focus doesn't altar that. |
| 22:19.39 | shay_shay | Shadow_7: yes I pefer that behavior as well |
| 22:19.57 | Shadow_7 | jessie is the minimum if you want gaming and opengl. aka glibc > 2.13 |
| 22:20.10 | slinnky | da |
| 22:20.13 | edoardo | well, i think i'll update to jessie |
| 22:20.15 | babilen | shay_shay: You can (and should) just pull packages directly from unstable into testing. You are, after all, simply speeding up the normal transition. I would even go so far to argue that one cannot reasonably track only testing at this point in the release cycle, but needs the ability to pull packages from unstable rather often. |
| 22:20.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell edoardo -about sid faq |
| 22:20.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell edoardo -about wheezy->jessie |
| 22:20.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell edoardo -about tum |
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| 22:21.02 | edoardo | wait, but then jessie is unstable as hell? |
| 22:21.16 | edoardo | understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride |
| 22:21.18 | babilen | edoardo: I would furthermore recommend to read: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html + https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html |
| 22:22.04 | centrx | You just need to be prepared to know what you are doing with Linux/Debian |
| 22:22.05 | Shadow_7 | no, not unstable. There's a vetting process for NEW stuff. testing is just less OLD. |
| 22:22.10 | boodie | Hi: is the security of debian offtopic? |
| 22:22.11 | babilen | edoardo: "unstable" in Debian means "changing" and yes, you don't get security fixes as fast as the stable release or unstable (you can, however, just pull the package in question directly from unstable) |
| 22:22.42 | babilen | boodie: Not necessarily |
| 22:22.53 | edoardo | well, it will be a machine just to run gqrx and other random-related softwares |
| 22:22.58 | edoardo | so nothing important on it |
| 22:23.14 | slinnky | edoardo, give LMDE a look if you really want cinnamon.... http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php.... It tracks testing |
| 22:23.46 | edoardo | wait, but cinnamon is in jessie |
| 22:23.53 | abrotman | Cinnamon is in Debian .. |
| 22:24.02 | babilen | slinnky: Please just drop it. If you want to support mint then take it to #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
| 22:24.07 | slinnky | it's in jessie? i though just sid |
| 22:24.15 | edoardo | but i couldn't find it in wheezy |
| 22:24.29 | babilen | edoardo: You can setup your system as <tum> and pull it from unstable, yes. |
| 22:24.33 | abrotman | It's not in wheezy |
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| 22:24.52 | edoardo | ok, so that's my plan: upgrade to jessie and install cinnamon |
| 22:24.53 | shay_shay | LMDE doesn't "track" testing, it takes snapshots of Jessie which can be problematic. If there is a regression because of a critical bug, mint will be stuck with the bad version because it just happened to snapshot at that moment |
| 22:25.18 | abrotman | Enouhg of the LMDE talk eh? |
| 22:25.24 | shay_shay | OK sorry |
| 22:25.27 | babilen | edoardo: Note that I am not arguing that you will be happy with that and you really should read all the aforementioned websites/documents, but it *is* an option. If it is the best option for you I really can't tell. |
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| 22:26.06 | edoardo | babilen, i'm reading |
| 22:26.20 | slinnky | abrotman: Cinnamon is only in unstable |
| 22:26.27 | oeitei | Hi |
| 22:26.31 | abrotman | slinnky: I said "in Debian" .. try to keep up |
| 22:26.40 | slinnky | oh ffs |
| 22:26.46 | abrotman | slinnky: and babilen pointed out the factoid called 'tum' |
| 22:27.12 | slinnky | ffs!! |
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| 22:27.41 | oeitei | I want to know if in theory hardware drivers can be automatically trusted by the OS |
| 22:27.53 | oeitei | Because they are in assembly language |
| 22:28.00 | oeitei | they can do anythinh |
| 22:28.05 | oeitei | *anything |
| 22:28.09 | abrotman | oeitei: Depends how trusting you are .. |
| 22:28.23 | abrotman | oeitei: and not all drivers are in 'assembler' |
| 22:28.31 | oeitei | I mean, in general, what hepens in OSs |
| 22:28.39 | Shadow_7 | depends on the hardware. Most assembly stuff these days is firmware, which you're powerless to change anyway. |
| 22:29.08 | Shadow_7 | well, almost powerless... but not really worth the effort. |
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| 22:29.16 | oeitei | They are, though working at low lovel, meaning at the same level as the OS |
| 22:29.23 | oeitei | or lowest |
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| 22:29.39 | abrotman | oeitei: So what's your choice? This is why F/OSS advocates ask for open hardware and open drivers |
| 22:30.33 | wheezy34121 | Trying to get qemu-kvm and seahorse but it looks like dependencies are broken. Can anyone advise? |
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| 22:30.55 | oeitei | So, I'm right then, the most dangerous thing is the hardware driver, and the OS have no policy to protect us from them ? |
| 22:30.59 | wheezy34121 | Its in the package manager but when I try to download the dependencies it says they are not there. |
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| 22:31.16 | abrotman | oeitei: Did you miss what I just said? |
| 22:31.21 | abrotman | wheezy34121: What OS are you using? |
| 22:31.31 | wheezy34121 | puppy linux wheezy |
| 22:31.33 | teraflop | debian? |
| 22:31.36 | teraflop | hah |
| 22:31.42 | wheezy34121 | debian wheezy based |
| 22:31.43 | abrotman | wheezy34121: we do not support Puppy here, they have their own channel |
| 22:31.48 | abrotman | dpkg: tell wheezy34121 about puppy |
| 22:31.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell wheezy34121 about puppylinux |
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| 22:32.10 | abrotman | wheezy34121: #puppylinux on irc.freenode.net |
| 22:32.11 | oeitei | abrotman in fact, good answer |
| 22:32.14 | oeitei | ;) |
| 22:32.30 | abrotman | wheezy34121: if you can't find help there, perhaps try ##linux |
| 22:33.00 | edoardo | is updating the repos just replacing wheezy with testing? |
| 22:33.11 | abrotman | edoardo: see what the bot already told you |
| 22:33.43 | edoardo | what's the difference between testing and jessie? |
| 22:33.58 | abrotman | testing is always testing, jessie will one day release and be stable |
| 22:34.03 | abrotman | you should use 'jessie' |
| 22:34.04 | oeitei | I don't find what is F/OSS |
| 22:34.15 | edoardo | thanks |
| 22:34.17 | abrotman | oeitei: Free & OpenSource Software |
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| 22:34.32 | oeitei | Ok thank's |
| 22:34.32 | wheezy34121 | I tried it on the debian live cd and had the same problem. Can someone confirm that seahorse and qemu-kvm dependencies have broken links in the package manager? |
| 22:34.34 | abrotman | oeitei: try 'FOSS' |
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| 22:34.45 | abrotman | wheezy34121: we do not support Puppy here. |
| 22:34.58 | boodie | About security : I found http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Security-Quickstart-HOWTO/intrusion.html and I tried the intrusion detection test in paragraph 6.2 ... the command is /usr/bin/lsattr `echo $PATH | tr ':' ' '` | grep i-- ... can anyone see it's output and tell me whether I have to worry? |
| 22:35.46 | abrotman | we can't see your output |
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| 22:36.08 | boodie | sure ... I'll post it on pastebin |
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| 22:39.26 | oeitei | Does the driver software replaces the handler of the OS, I think yes but I'm not sure if there is an intermediate |
| 22:40.44 | babilen | foo: Any updates? |
| 22:40.46 | oeitei | It does have to do with processes |
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| 22:41.05 | oeitei | This is a lowest leveĆ² |
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| 22:41.13 | oeitei | seems crazy *_* |
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| 22:46.22 | foo | babilen: about to e-mail them, thank you for asking |
| 22:46.56 | foo | babilen: haha, 1m ago - they're still working on it, saw an e-mail |
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| 22:47.27 | magikfingerz | Hi, I have debian SID and I have upgrade my xorg recently, and currently X doesn't work anymore if I use the radeon open source driver, I'm currently using vesa because is what works, anybody have the same problem...? :) |
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| 22:48.45 | babilen | foo: Oh dear :-/ |
| 22:49.19 | abrotman | magikfingerz: did you check the BTS? |
| 22:49.34 | foo | babilen: yeah :/ really, it'd be hard to know I was going to have this issue without experiencing something like this |
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| 22:51.15 | magikfingerz | abrotman, checking it right now... I have google a little but nothing about recent errors in Xorg or radeon driver... |
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| 22:52.15 | Amstealla | hey |
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| 22:54.36 | Amstelalal | I'm trying to get linux headers installed on my Debian 7 VPS, but the kernel is still on 2.6 and won't upgrade |
| 22:55.17 | foo | babilen: what are you still doing up ? |
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| 22:56.39 | Amstelalal | anyone have any idea why the kernel has not been upgraded? |
| 22:56.56 | babilen | foo: I don't quite follow |
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| 22:57.15 | abrotman | Amstelalal: because it's a VPS |
| 22:57.16 | foo | babilen: ahh, thought it was very late over there - I could be confused. :) |
| 22:57.19 | babilen | Amstelalal: What kind of vps? OpenVZ by chance? |
| 22:57.28 | babilen | foo: Mind a pm? |
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| 22:58.36 | Amstelalal | abrotman : what do you mean because it's a VPS, the sourcelist is updated so it should be updating packages correctly |
| 22:58.57 | Amstelalal | babilen : no, it's just a regular VPS |
| 22:59.09 | babilen | Amstelalal: What does "uname -a" give you? |
| 22:59.32 | Amstelalal | babilen : Linux amstell 2.6.32-042stab090.5 #1 SMP Sat Jun 21 00:15:09 MSK 2014 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:01.49 | Amstelalal | does debian have a different kernal for 32-bit and 64 bit? I wouldn't think so, but I don't understand why its on 2.6 |
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| 23:03.24 | babilen | Amstelalal: That looks like an OpenVZ kernel and you probably get the one from your host machine. (i.e. you cannot upgrade the kernel "inside" the VM) |
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| 23:04.32 | Amstelalal | babilen: oh really? ok thanks. I was trying to install virtualbox to run a server. Do you think this is not possible due to kernel configuration and getting linux header files? |
| 23:05.28 | babilen | virtualbox? why not kvm or lxc (docker even?) or ... |
| 23:05.58 | Amstelalal | babilen: possibly later, but the opv I have is specific to what I need and I can't change right now |
| 23:06.09 | babilen | ack |
| 23:06.35 | Amstelalal | babilen: I'm just trying to setup something for travel and remote home work....it's nothing big |
| 23:06.59 | Amstelalal | babilen: I do mostly everything on linux, but need excel addons for work with clients |
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| 23:08.47 | Amstelalal | babilen: and why would the openvz be on an old kernel? |
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| 23:13.44 | shay_shay | If I install wheezy-backports kernel will that kernel continue to get updated from wheezy-backports or will I need to pin it since its not the default release? |
| 23:14.10 | shay_shay | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:16.14 | abrotman | shay_shay: install the metapackage |
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| 23:25.24 | shay_shay | Linux-image-amd64 vs Linux-image-i686-pae for haswell Intel atom with only 4gb of ram? |
| 23:25.35 | shay_shay | Its one of those borderline cases |
| 23:26.04 | jelly-home | amd64 kernel, but i386 userspace. |
| 23:26.07 | jelly-home | <g> |
| 23:26.16 | deepblue | every time i press the 'open folder'button in transmission or evince,the rythmbox opens instead.how to fix this? |
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| 23:27.31 | donofrio | paste.debian.net/109368 is the list of packages that dpkg should be installing but it doesn't seem to be reading it when I dpkg --set-selections < package_list_file |
| 23:27.31 | blivande | how can I mount an hfsplus partition on read & write? |
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| 23:27.51 | blivande | I read on the internet the journaling prevents this |
| 23:28.11 | abrotman | donofrio: didn't you go through this earlier? |
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| 23:28.52 | donofrio | yah but just got back tried again and no joy - plus I couldn't go back though the days logging to see what was finnal answer |
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| 23:40.30 | rektide | ye gods! i did a deb-pkg with a 3.16-rc kernel, having taken the 3.13 kernel .config and make oldconfig'ed it |
| 23:40.59 | rektide | why do i have a 717MB linux-image-3.16.0-rc4_1.0_amd64.deb !??!?! |
| 23:41.43 | deepblue | every time i press the 'open folder'button in transmission or evince,the rythmbox opens instead.how to fix this? |
| 23:41.50 | foo | Gah, looks like grub2 in wheezy breaks xen-utils that my host runs. Wondering how difficult it will be to get grub-legacy running with old drive chroot |
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| 23:44.31 | rektide | ah |
| 23:44.34 | foo | Shadow_7: still happen to be around? |
| 23:44.44 | rektide | deb-pkg has included a /deb/ain/dbgtmp/ folder with tons of extra crap |
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| 23:49.11 | foo | I am going to ssh into a system and then mount old unbootable debian drive to try to switch wheezy from grub2 to grub-legacy. Any tips on how to do that? |
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| 23:54.06 | royalty | hello can i ask questions about general linux sysadmin here |
| 23:54.55 | royalty | does anyone know |
| 23:55.10 | royalty | what kind of skills should i brush up on to apply for a job like this http://www.democracynow.org/about/jobs/sysadmin |
| 23:55.14 | royalty | I am a web developer now |
| 23:55.24 | royalty | but always kind of wanted to delve into linux sysadmin |
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| 23:57.57 | royalty | or do you guys know a channel that just has a bunch of linux sysadmins in it |
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