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| 00:01.07 | pce | why you don't remove xchat, looks like this sw is from 2010? |
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| 00:02.16 | pce | ..the last version, is it not insecure?, in 2 or 4 years not one security hole found? |
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| 00:04.32 | abrotman | judd: versions hexchat |
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| 00:04.34 | judd | Package: hexchat on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 2.9.6.1-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.0-1; sid: 2.10.0-1 |
| 00:04.36 | abrotman | pce: happy ? |
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| 00:05.21 | pce | abrotman, i mean xchat |
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| 00:06.03 | abrotman | I'm aware |
| 00:06.24 | abrotman | pce: if you believe there's a reason to remove xchat, feel free to file a bug |
| 00:06.52 | pce | abrotman, ok |
| 00:06.59 | pce | abrotman, thank you |
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| 00:13.18 | toli | anyone can help me with alsa ? it seems ok playing, but cant hear any sound! What could be the issue? |
| 00:13.31 | rryoumaa | what user-called or apt-called program calls the programs that create /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 typically? |
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| 00:13.56 | heurist | toli: muted maybe? |
| 00:14.45 | heurist | rryoumaa: mkinitramfs |
| 00:15.02 | rryoumaa | heurist: what typically calls that? |
| 00:15.29 | heurist | rryoumaa: kernel post-install hooks |
| 00:15.34 | toli | heurist, where do you unmute? |
| 00:16.18 | heurist | toli: try alsamixer |
| 00:16.36 | toli | heurist, yes found it just the key "m" |
| 00:16.51 | iwilcox | rryoumaa: There's also update-initramfs, but that usually gets called by the hooks as needed |
| 00:17.51 | rryoumaa | i have a bin/busybox that is different in two versions of the initrd. i was trying to find out if one of them is legit. does it take busybox from /bin? |
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| 00:18.35 | iwilcox | Have a poke in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ for busybox |
| 00:19.05 | iwilcox | A hook somewhere in there will be doing that copy as part of the image creation. |
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| 00:19.14 | heurist | rryoumaa: update-initramfs is a shell script you might find answers in there. |
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| 00:21.05 | iwilcox | rryoumaa: Here I have at least /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/busybox and /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/zz-busybox â not sure whether/how they differ, but both do a cp (copy_exec) |
| 00:21.30 | rryoumaa | i found the copy but not where ${BUSYBOXDIR} is set |
| 00:22.43 | heurist | rryoumaa: /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs line 11 |
| 00:22.46 | toli | heurist, it is not the mute |
| 00:23.15 | rryoumaa | heurist: thank you. that helps. |
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| 00:23.33 | heurist | toli: try all the knobs, one of them may work, alsa is a pain. |
| 00:23.55 | rryoumaa | perhaps they are different because the versions are different then |
| 00:24.49 | heurist | rryoumaa: maybe busybox was updated between the creation of those two? |
| 00:25.04 | rryoumaa | toli: don't quote me on this, but restarting alsa, not as root, but as user (don't ask me why) can actually make alsa work |
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| 00:25.16 | rryoumaa | heurist: yes, that is what i am surmising |
| 00:25.50 | rryoumaa | this is a long shot, but is there a place to search for hashes of different versions of debian binaries? |
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| 00:29.59 | heurist | rryoumaa: if you still have the deb files they contain md5sums. |
| 00:30.38 | Amarande | wow, it's been a long long time since I used this irc client |
| 00:30.44 | Amarande | still on basically the barebones jessie install heh |
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| 00:31.33 | Amarande | hmm. so, does aptitude install kde install kdm as well, or does the display manager have to be selected separately? |
| 00:32.16 | heurist | Amarande: try it and see, it is probably a sugested package, but you may have to choose to install it or not. |
| 00:32.45 | dp | Spec: if you're still here, how can I work around this with a perl program? |
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| 00:34.16 | Amarande | hmm, instead it says "no candidate version found for kde" |
| 00:34.21 | Amarande | what's the right metapackage name for that? |
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| 00:35.27 | heurist | Amarande: kde-full maybe? |
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| 00:37.49 | heurist | Amarande: aptitude search "~Grole::metapackage kde" |
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| 00:39.05 | Amarande | ah, there we go. |
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| 01:06.48 | asterismo | hi people, is there any QT desktop environment other than KDE in Debian 7 wheezy repos? |
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| 01:07.21 | heurist | asterismo: is there any QT de other than KDE at all? |
| 01:07.41 | jhambo | Hi folks, is it just me or has Flash been broken in stable for a couple of months now? |
| 01:08.15 | heurist | jhambo: flash has been broken for decades. |
| 01:08.30 | abrotman | heurist: actually, es |
| 01:08.30 | jmcnaught | jhambo: which browser are you using? |
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| 01:08.36 | dvs | jhambo: Adobe moved the location of the program. |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | jhambo: there is the adobe flash and the pepper flash |
| 01:08.50 | jhambo | using chromium |
| 01:09.01 | centrx | <heurist> jhambo: flash has been broken for decades. |
| 01:09.12 | jhambo | I'm using flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 01:09.20 | asterismo | heurist: i heard about razor-qt but then it merged with LXDE, but i do not know in what state is in the debian wheezy repos |
| 01:09.23 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell jhambo -about pepper flash |
| 01:09.37 | asterismo | if it still being classic GTK LXDE or if it is QT now |
| 01:10.08 | xar- | WARNING: at /build/linux-5U_ZPM/linux-3.2.57/net/sched/sch_generic.c:256 dev_watchdog+0xf2/0x151() |
| 01:10.20 | xar- | how do I stop this from crashing my server? :) |
| 01:10.26 | jhambo | jmcnaught: okay I'll give pepperflash a try |
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| 01:11.17 | joshh20 | Hi, does anyone know if the entropy generation chip built into newer Intel processors is activated by default on Debian? |
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| 01:11.51 | heurist | asterismo: lxde does not say it needs QT, so I assume it is still GTK. |
| 01:12.02 | asterismo | ok |
| 01:12.04 | centrx | joshh20, My understanding is those hardware generators are ignored by default in the kernel for security reasons (i.e. potential infiltration by NSA) |
| 01:12.20 | joshh20 | Oh I see |
| 01:12.44 | joshh20 | I had attempted to install rng-tools, but it gives me errors about not being able to find the proper hardware, and a web search was fruitless |
| 01:12.53 | iwilcox | joshh20: And mine is that it is used as one of many sources of entropy that feed into the CSPRNG, but in a way that (the authors feel) can't taint the output |
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| 01:13.25 | joshh20 | See I am wondering though, because the entropy pool on my machine is quite low, less than 200 |
| 01:13.38 | centrx | There is a setting for this, for some reason the default is really low |
| 01:13.51 | centrx | I should file a bug, thank you for reminding me |
| 01:14.04 | joshh20 | Really, cool :D |
| 01:14.09 | heurist | joshh20: 200ish is normal, are you having issues with crypto stuff stalling? |
| 01:14.20 | joshh20 | No, but that just seemed rather low to me |
| 01:14.41 | joshh20 | I mean, if the pool is low, doesn't it tend to use an alternative source that is less random? |
| 01:14.47 | joshh20 | Or am I wrong in thinking that |
| 01:14.56 | centrx | It means that /dev/urandom could be less random |
| 01:14.59 | centrx | but /dev/random blocks |
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| 01:15.48 | iwilcox | joshh20: MIght be worth having a read of http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/ |
| 01:15.52 | heurist | joshh20: Is this a desktop or a server? i.e. does it have a keyboard with a user attached? |
| 01:16.03 | joshh20 | Nope, headless machine, it's a server |
| 01:16.35 | centrx | It does use I/O timings too, servers must have been contemplated |
| 01:16.36 | joshh20 | And thank you iwilcox , I will read that |
| 01:16.41 | heurist | joshh20: headless can have entroy issues as keyboard is still about the only source used. |
| 01:16.46 | joshh20 | Really? |
| 01:16.53 | centrx | I don't think that can be true |
| 01:16.54 | joshh20 | I would've thought they would more than just that |
| 01:17.08 | joshh20 | In that case, I had better get typing |
| 01:17.18 | centrx | I don't think that's true |
| 01:17.27 | iwilcox | joshh20: Not too hard to build a decent quality USB entropy source |
| 01:17.35 | heurist | joshh20: you can configure things to use network or sound card but they are not used by default. |
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| 01:17.55 | iwilcox | joshh20: I've made six of them for about £3 a pop |
| 01:18.11 | joshh20 | Yeah but iwilcox I rent my servers, so that isn't too feasible |
| 01:18.32 | jhambo | jmcnaught: abrotman: Pepperflash fixed the problem. As usual, debian irc saves the day! Thanks all! |
| 01:18.46 | heurist | Dan Kaminsky mentioned an intersting idea of use the drifts of various clocks for rng, there are about a dozen clocks in modern machines and they all run slightly out of sync. |
| 01:18.58 | centrx | If you really want the down and dirty: http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/char/random.c |
| 01:18.59 | abrotman | WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS ... |
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| 01:19.25 | iwilcox | heurist: Yeah, that's what these USB ones do; two watchdog timers on an ATTiny with jitter |
| 01:19.39 | joshh20 | Yep I was already reading the source code for it centrx :) |
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| 01:20.52 | joshh20 | But that is some seriously smart stuff that I don't understand |
| 01:21.13 | iwilcox | joshh20: That link I gave has some overview (hand-drawn!) diagrams :) |
| 01:21.19 | heurist | joshh20: maybe look at haveged for software random pool. |
| 01:21.23 | centrx | I think it makes pretty clear that keyboard is not the only source of entropy |
| 01:22.01 | joshh20 | Well yeah heurist was thinking that other sources weren't enabled by default |
| 01:22.13 | heurist | there is plenty of entropy, the kernel just does not use it. |
| 01:22.23 | joshh20 | I mean I suppose it isn't that big of a deal honestly, was just wondering a bit |
| 01:22.24 | centrx | That said, there is a scientific paper that claims the Linux random device is somewhat insecure, but it seemed to have been repudiated in some sense |
| 01:22.52 | heurist | warning! my infomation may be out of date. I have not looked into this subject in many years. |
| 01:23.36 | heurist | random is only insecure if it is predicatble by an attacker though. |
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| 01:24.17 | joshh20 | True, but then I guess you couldn't call it random, either |
| 01:24.48 | heurist | there is no random in a computer, nor in a human, just complex enough to look random. |
| 01:25.08 | centrx | The Linux random device is pretty good I think |
| 01:25.19 | centrx | and I read all that source code AND forgot all of it, so there |
| 01:25.35 | heurist | from a security standpoint it is good enough yes. |
| 01:25.36 | joshh20 | Haha |
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| 01:27.14 | joshh20 | That myths article is really good |
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| 01:29.23 | heurist | true for a given value of myth, but it does depend on you use case, which is why there are more than one rng device. |
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| 01:34.35 | kj4 | is there a debian 0ff topic? |
| 01:35.07 | DHowett | curious: why would you use a 0 for that? |
| 01:35.21 | abrotman | kj4: /topic |
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| 01:37.07 | kj4 | thanks abrotman ! |
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| 01:44.24 | Guest9792 | Hi, I after the last update on the Debian Sid the buttons for suspend and hibernate are missing on kde. How can I get them back? |
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| 01:45.01 | jmcnaught | Guest9792: hello. For Sid you might get better support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 01:46.43 | centrx | Guest9792, Continue the carousel! :) |
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| 01:57.21 | iateadonut | i'm using rtorrent. the manual has things like ^S Start download. and ^X Call commands or change settings.. I know this mean ctrl-S and ctrl-X |
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| 01:57.44 | iateadonut | i don't know what this means in a man file: -> View download. - what does "->" stand for? |
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| 01:58.43 | iateadonut | nevermind. it means right arrow |
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| 02:00.57 | iwilcox | iateadonut: Careful with ^S/^Q since your terminal might grab them and suspend/resume output |
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| 03:08.35 | Dmitry | is there any difference in installation process between CD image and live image? |
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| 03:17.56 | Dmitry | Will I be able to choose packages what to install and what to don't install? |
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| 03:18.51 | centrx | Dmitry, Yes |
| 03:18.56 | centrx | Dmitry, What kind of installation are you looking for? |
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| 03:19.59 | pav5088__ | Hi... I would like to build a server using a PCIe storage device... but it looks like there are driver issues with many(all?) devices. Are there any supported devices (eg. OCZ Revodrive), or do I need to go for a stock SATA SSD? If I need to go SATA, are there any motherboard recommendations to get max SATA throughput? |
| 03:20.31 | Dmitry | centrx: I want to install Debian on my PC from USB and maybe try the 'live' system before doing it. |
| 03:20.54 | centrx | Dmitry, The result you get from installing from the live CD will be the same as if you had installed from an ordinary install |
| 03:21.22 | Dmitry | centrx: good |
| 03:22.15 | centrx | Dmitry, The installer has a set of "tasks" which represent the purpose of the computer, such as SSH Server or Desktop Environment. These can be selected for a broad range of useful packages. |
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| 03:23.00 | centrx | Dmitry, You can also do a minimal install where you do not choose these functions, and install individual packages you need using apt, Debian's excellent and powerful package manager |
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| 03:26.28 | Dmitry | centrx: ok. minimal install is available from any image or there's some special minimal image? |
| 03:28.02 | Alex149 | from any image |
| 03:28.49 | Alex149 | and perhaps do "Expert install" |
| 03:29.12 | Alex149 | There's a very small "mini.iso" that I like to do a NetInstall from |
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| 03:31.01 | Alex149 | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/20140316/images/netboot/ the mini.iso allows you to even install stable/testing/unstable |
| 03:34.01 | Dmitry | Well. Is both CD and live ISO image hybrid, which I can write to USB stick by dd? |
| 03:34.32 | heurist | Dmitry: yes |
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| 03:41.32 | asterismo | hi people, is it safe to do apt-get -t wheezy-backports dist-upgrade?? |
| 03:41.45 | centrx | Not recommended |
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| 03:41.54 | asterismo | it should upgrade all packages to backport version right? |
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| 03:42.27 | centrx | Choose individual packages you wish to have a backport for. All the backport packages together have not necessarily been tested together by anyone. |
| 03:42.45 | centrx | !sns |
| 03:42.46 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 03:43.11 | centrx | You could consider upgrading to testing, a pre-release version, if this is your inclination |
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| 03:43.25 | asterismo | well |
| 03:43.27 | asterismo | ok |
| 03:44.05 | asterismo | i read that backported packages are tested to work with stable dependencies, so i figure out it was kinda stable |
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| 03:44.35 | asterismo | i'm running debian 7 kde and upgraded to a backport kernel |
| 03:44.49 | centrx | asterismo, It could work, it's just a risky thing to do. If you have a machine to spare or time to waste, try it out and tell us what happens. |
| 03:45.00 | centrx | asterismo, You do not need to upgrade random libraries you've never heard of |
| 03:45.04 | asterismo | and KDE started to have hang ups, choppy sometimes... i dunno |
| 03:45.16 | doublehp | my SD card is formatted as textfat by android; is it possible to read it under linux desktop ? |
| 03:45.22 | asterismo | maybe there is some missing library that i need to install from backports |
| 03:45.26 | Dmitry | I see 7.5.0 images now, but I can't find 7.6.0 Live. When are they be available? |
| 03:45.57 | asterismo | centrx: ok |
| 03:46.00 | centrx | Dmitry, I don't know. It's not a problem using older software with a Live CD |
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| 03:50.14 | mechaniputer | Dmitry, The main difference between 7.5.0 and 7.6.0 will be security patches that typically would not matter if you just want to test the livecd. Once you run updates after installation, you get the same thing in the end. |
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| 03:51.41 | Dmitry | If I install the 7.5.0 to PC, I can upgrade it to 7.6.0, right? |
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| 03:52.09 | mechaniputer | Dmitry, Tha't correct. |
| 03:52.11 | centrx | Dmitry, Yes, it is very easy to upgrade Debian |
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| 03:54.28 | Dmitry | Thank you all for your help |
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| 04:56.51 | scottj | Hi, right now my laptop is in powersave mode (governor) by default even when it is plugged in. I'm wondering how I can switch it to ondemand or performance by default when on AC? |
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| 05:02.28 | abcd593 | Hi, does anybody know which webserver YouTube uses today? (source of information?). Thank you! |
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| 05:05.26 | nkuttler | abcd593: wget -S example.com |
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| 05:05.55 | zykotick9 | abcd593: not sure how it's debian related, but http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://youtube.com might be of interest to you |
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| 05:11.32 | abcd593 | thank you |
| 05:11.54 | abcd593 | zykotick9: but where is the information about webserver? |
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| 05:13.48 | zykotick9 | abcd593: on the page linked you should see Webserver = gwiseguy/2.0 but again, i don't think this is debian related, and thus is offtopic here |
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| 05:15.31 | abcd593 | thank you |
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| 05:19.31 | abcd593 | sorry for being offtopic again - is it their home grown webserver? wikipedia doesn't seem to know much about it... |
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| 05:28.00 | abhort | hello |
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| 05:37.01 | Basant | HI All , I have to display mesages over a digital messsage board , I have the message string , but dont know how to display it on the message board . The display board is connected to a machine running on linux. |
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| 05:39.05 | abhort | what kind of message board is it Basant ? |
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| 05:41.03 | Basant | Its a VMS (Variable message sign) Board to display message by trafic police |
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| 05:43.49 | Basant | <abhorit> the message are kept in a text file such as ^G1N Traffic Wishes you good day-272-K419.png^ , I have to read these messages and display on the message board |
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| 05:45.10 | abhort | so can you edit the text file ? |
| 05:45.29 | Basant | yes |
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| 05:46.38 | Basant | <abhort> edit before display ? |
| 05:47.29 | TyrfingMjolnir | How do I boot a new debian system? |
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| 05:47.35 | abhort | i would assume so...whats the problem then? |
| 05:47.42 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have booted from an ubuntu disk, debootstrapped to sdc |
| 05:47.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | Do I use grub? |
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| 05:48.07 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or do I compile the kernel in a certain way? |
| 05:48.38 | rozie | TyrfingMjolnir: you need to install grub on disk, where you installed Debian |
| 05:48.47 | Basant | actually I dont know how to display it . |
| 05:48.57 | TyrfingMjolnir | on /dev/sdc? |
| 05:49.00 | TyrfingMjolnir | or /dev/sdc1? |
| 05:49.17 | rozie | usually grub install with root parameter works |
| 05:49.26 | TyrfingMjolnir | But for newer machines it's possible to compile the kernel in a way it will boot, no? |
| 05:49.27 | rozie | sdc |
| 05:49.29 | abhort | hrm, me neither lol..im on google reading about these signs |
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| 05:50.05 | rozie | don't know anything about kernel allowing to boot. there's bootloader for this |
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| 05:50.41 | rozie | grub update takes root parameter, not sure about grub install |
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| 05:51.34 | TyrfingMjolnir | grub does not install |
| 05:51.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | errors |
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| 05:52.09 | Basant | I have written a shell script to get the command file from server , and read the command file line by line . Now I need to send the data to the display unit . Now I got stuck . do I need to have an utility to send output to a socket which can send the string to the display unit ..... not sure |
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| 05:53.18 | rozie | TyrfingMjolnir: http://rozie.blox.pl/2012/03/Jak-zainstalowac-Debiana-przy-pomocy-debootstrap.html (PL, so google translate) I use this way |
| 05:53.28 | Basant | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.33 | rozie | check if you have /dev and /proc mounted |
| 05:53.40 | rozie | (in chroot) |
| 05:54.03 | justanotheruser | What is the cleanest way to upgrade from terminator .95 (debian stable) to .97? |
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| 05:55.10 | TyrfingMjolnir | rozie: I have installed 20 some systems using similar to this method |
| 05:55.25 | TyrfingMjolnir | But this time grub gives an error. |
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| 05:58.15 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: the best way would probably be to backport |
| 05:58.24 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell justanotheruser -about ssb |
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| 06:15.48 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: ty |
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| 06:45.57 | WormFood | Is the -v option in awk busted on debian? I can't get this fuckin' shit to work no matter what I do. |
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| 06:48.49 | relaxed | pastebin the command and output or it didn't happen. |
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| 06:55.16 | iwilcox | Works for me: awk -v foo=bar 'BEGIN { print foo }' |
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| 07:21.27 | WormFood | thanks iwilcox, I got it working now. |
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| 07:26.32 | iwilcox | \o/ |
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| 07:51.53 | deMoivre | I'm in firmware hell |
| 07:52.48 | deMoivre | The debian installer tells me that bnx2 / bnx2-mips-06-6.2.1.fw is non-free and must be manually added |
| 07:53.05 | deMoivre | this is from the ~280MB .iso installer, not a network installer |
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| 07:53.29 | deMoivre | It looks like this lack of firmware will prevent the networking from working, which means I'm in a catch 22 |
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| 07:53.49 | deMoivre | unless I can put that file on the usb drive in a place that the installer will recognize |
| 07:54.20 | croddy | deMoivre: that's exactly what the installer wants you to do. |
| 07:54.37 | croddy | https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 07:54.56 | deMoivre | I can't find the file, for one thing |
| 07:55.04 | deMoivre | I've been googling for a while and my google skills are somehow failing me |
| 07:55.21 | croddy | it's on that page i just linked, along with instructions |
| 07:55.36 | deMoivre | reads |
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| 07:56.12 | croddy | the good news is that i see the exact bnx2 fw you need. the bad news is that i've never had to do more than just follow that page, so after this you have exhausted my ability to assist |
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| 08:58.52 | punkgeek | can i ecrypting debian like android? |
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| 09:02.10 | bezaban | punkgeek: not sure what you mean by 'like android', but you can encrypt the entire filesystem (except /boot) using LUKS. Easiest is to set up encrypted LVM on boot. |
| 09:02.14 | bezaban | on install* |
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| 09:03.37 | WormFood | punkgeek, it's also trivial to make an encrypted partition, if you don't need the whole system encrypted. |
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| 09:07.26 | punkgeek | see, when we settings password on android, we cant delete password without factory reset |
| 09:07.33 | punkgeek | can i do this work on ubuntu? |
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| 09:07.40 | punkgeek | (when we forgoting password, we cant delete password without factory reset) |
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| 09:08.44 | WormFood | if you lose your password, then your stuff is forever encrypted. |
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| 09:08.56 | WormFood | yeah, encryption works the same way, in this respect. |
| 09:09.14 | WormFood | same on a desktop, same as on a phone/tablet/whatever |
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| 09:11.33 | punkgeek | so what should i do on debian server |
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| 09:11.51 | WormFood | you never said exactly what you want to accomplish |
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| 09:16.17 | Ivelfan | Hello everybody |
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| 09:17.10 | gribouille | hi |
| 09:17.24 | Ivelfan | I want to download this package https://packages.debian.org/fr/sid/libharfbuzz0b but apt doesn't find it. How can I download it ? |
| 09:17.25 | gribouille | why isn't xserver-xorg-video-nvidia available for jessie anymore? |
| 09:18.02 | WormFood | Ivelfan, that is for sid. What branch of debian are you using? |
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| 09:18.24 | Ivelfan | WormFood: wheezy |
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| 09:19.14 | Ivelfan | WormFood: Stable I suppose, I download iso file on the WebSite |
| 09:19.28 | WormFood | !backports |
| 09:19.29 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 09:19.33 | hyper_ch | hmmm, I think one of my drives died, I can't open it anymore with cryptsetup... it says it needs block device... however it still shows at /dev/disk/by-id just fine |
| 09:19.41 | hyper_ch | is there a way to rescan the disks? |
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| 09:20.25 | Ivelfan | WormFood: And how can I use backport ? |
| 09:20.27 | iwilcox | hyper_ch: Hints more at a cryptsetup argument error than a dead disk; you checked your args carefully? |
| 09:20.30 | gribouille | why isn't xserver-xorg-video-nvidia available for jessie anymore? |
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| 09:20.48 | WormFood | Ivelfan, ask the bot ;) |
| 09:20.58 | Ivelfan | WormFood: Okay ^^ |
| 09:21.07 | Ivelfan | !debian-backports |
| 09:21.08 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 09:21.35 | WormFood | you can do that in a /msg to the bot, so you don't clutter up the channel ;) |
| 09:22.17 | Epakai | gribouille: because testing is for breaking things, a new version will migrate from sid eventually |
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| 09:22.46 | gribouille | Epakai, where can I find the latest version? |
| 09:22.47 | WormFood | iwilcox, can you see the data on the drive at all? dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | xxd |
| 09:22.52 | Ivelfan | WormFood: Thanks |
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| 09:23.01 | wv | Hello, what is update-rc.d "exactly" doing? |
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| 09:23.11 | virtualmix | gribouille: I asked the same question a minute ago on #debian-next and was told it's because of the X migration |
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| 09:23.35 | virtualmix | gribouille: Better wait a couple of days before updating your Debian Jessie |
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| 09:23.37 | gribouille | virtualmix, what X migration? |
| 09:23.40 | wv | because I have this initscript, and when I create the links manually in /etc/rc2.d (S16dsvs) to this initscript, it does not work |
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| 09:24.00 | wv | when I do a update-rc.d dsvs defaults, it works perfectly |
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| 09:24.24 | wv | but a ls -l of /etc/rc?.d gives me the exact same output as if I create the links manually |
| 09:24.27 | Ivelfan | WormFood: Are you sure is a backport ? |
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| 09:24.45 | Ivelfan | WormFood: I don't find it :/ |
| 09:24.51 | wv | when I created them manually, it does not work, but after update-rc it does work |
| 09:25.00 | wv | so is the update-rc also doing something else? |
| 09:25.04 | virtualmix | gribouille: I'm not sure what going on exactly with X but as you can see all x related package have been updated |
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| 09:26.02 | WormFood | Ivelfan, did you read the instructions? |
| 09:26.26 | WormFood | http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 09:26.45 | WormFood | "All backports are deactivated by default" |
| 09:27.26 | Ivelfan | WormFood: Yes |
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| 09:28.22 | WormFood | what command line did you try to use to install it with? |
| 09:28.35 | WormFood | it's also possible, it may not be in backports |
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| 09:30.06 | iwilcox | wv: Maybe update-rc.d just added +x to your script? Is this on wheezy or something later? |
| 09:30.50 | wv | iwilcox, no, script was already x-et (same attributes as other scripts), yes, wheezy |
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| 09:31.31 | iwilcox | wv: Maybe something to do with the dependency stuff then. |
| 09:32.04 | iwilcox | wv: update-rc.d tinkers with /etc/init.d/.depend.* |
| 09:32.16 | wv | iwilcox, yes, I was just figuring that out |
| 09:32.35 | wv | and these .depend.* files are involved at startup? |
| 09:32.56 | iwilcox | If you're booting with dependency-based ordering, yeah |
| 09:33.01 | iwilcox | (which I think is the default) |
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| 09:33.48 | wv | iwilcox, are there consequences in disabling this? |
| 09:33.49 | iwilcox | Do you have a compelling reason to avoid update-rc.d or is this just curiosity? |
| 09:34.04 | wv | iwilcox, yes |
| 09:34.16 | iwilcox | Yes to which? |
| 09:34.20 | wv | I want to "install" a custom application, which needs to be run at startup |
| 09:34.28 | wv | but doing it by remote via scp |
| 09:34.40 | wv | so without running any commands on the target |
| 09:34.50 | wv | just by putting the right things at the right place |
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| 09:35.11 | iwilcox | Well it looks like you can just touch /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering to get the old behaviour. |
| 09:35.36 | wv | will these have any drawbacks? |
| 09:35.57 | iwilcox | Slower boot; besides that, not sure, sorry; never tried it. |
| 09:38.09 | iwilcox | If you know none of the hosts use rc.local, you could overwrite that adding a line to call your init script (and stick with parallel boot) |
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| 09:45.46 | armin | hm, am i the only one with a broken X right now (nvidia)? |
| 09:46.36 | armin | ah, backlog looks so |
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| 09:54.51 | colo-work | hrm. wheezy's smartmontools aren't compatible with the upstream drivedb any more: |
| 09:54.52 | colo-work | ~# update-smart-drivedb |
| 09:54.52 | colo-work | /usr/share/smartmontools/drivedb.h.error: rejected by /usr/sbin/smartctl, probably no longer compatible |
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| 10:05.52 | Bugson | guys I'm trying to install debian jessie on dell r210 with BCM5716 NIC and it does correctly discover hardware doesn't ask about any additional firmware but doesn't work either, is there some way to check what might be the issue or maybe someone know how I can debug it |
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| 10:07.34 | nkuttler | !tell Bugson about bnx2 |
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| 10:09.17 | Bugson | nkuttler: from what I remember debian installer always asks about missing firmware |
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| 10:09.59 | Bugson | in this case it wasn't asking about any |
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| 10:32.30 | hyper_ch | iwilcox: sorry, phone call.... |
| 10:32.52 | iwilcox | hyper_ch: Does lsblk list the block device? |
| 10:33.02 | hyper_ch | iwilcox: http://paste.debian.net/110067/ |
| 10:33.37 | hyper_ch | iwilcox: http://paste.debian.net/110068/ |
| 10:34.23 | iwilcox | hyper_ch: Permissions on /dev/sdb* ? |
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| 10:35.10 | hyper_ch | iwilcox: http://paste.debian.net/110068/ |
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| 10:35.11 | hyper_ch | root@servi:/dev/mapper# ls -al /dev/sdb* |
| 10:35.13 | hyper_ch | brw-rw---T 1 root disk 8, 16 Jul 12 13:42 /dev/sdb |
| 10:35.14 | hyper_ch | brw-rw---T 1 root disk 8, 17 Jul 12 13:42 /dev/sdb1 |
| 10:35.56 | iwilcox | OK, I'd probably next try WormFood's suggestion of: dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/dev/null bs=512 count=1 |
| 10:36.47 | hyper_ch | http://paste.debian.net/110069/ |
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| 10:37.25 | iwilcox | Hrm. Anything about it in dmesg output? |
| 10:38.16 | hyper_ch | http://paste.debian.net/110070/ |
| 10:39.22 | iwilcox | That looks like a very unhappy drive ;( |
| 10:40.08 | iwilcox | I'd probably be going for the backups now and worrying about post-mortem later |
| 10:40.21 | hyper_ch | iwilcox: that's the local backup drive :) |
| 10:40.42 | hyper_ch | but I still have here at work a seperate backup drive - ext usb to which I rsync |
| 10:40.47 | hyper_ch | so no big dieal |
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| 10:41.47 | hyper_ch | but thx for checking :) |
| 10:43.11 | hyper_ch | However the difficult question is, what should I go with now... another 2 TB drive... or 3 TB or 4 TB |
| 10:43.54 | hyper_ch | or even 6tb |
| 10:44.36 | hyper_ch | since my external usb drive here at work is also 2 TB.... best I probably go with 2 TB again |
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| 10:45.06 | hyper_ch | including the snapshot style backups it's only full to 60% |
| 10:46.00 | iwilcox | Remember that whatever you get, you have to keep however many backups of, including an offsite one, so those extra TB cost 3x as much |
| 10:46.12 | ws2k3 | hello i have 3 servers on server1 i generated an ssh fingerprint uploaded it to server2 and then i can login without a password i uploaded the same fingerprint to server3 but then it still asks for a password what can i do to fix this does ssh have some kind of a error log ? |
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| 10:47.01 | iwilcox | hyper_ch: For me my only offsite choice is stuff like S3 over DSL crappy upload, too, so it makes me much more conservative with space |
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| 10:47.29 | hyper_ch | iwilcox: my backup scheme is simple: Home server --> make nightly backups with rsync/hardlinks onto other drive in home server and keep snapshots for 60 days..... at work: rsync the backup drive on home server to external usb drive... |
| 10:47.37 | duggles | ws2k3: check the permissions on the authorized_keys file in ~/.ssh. They should be 600 |
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| 10:48.13 | hyper_ch | iwilcox: and once a month I do make a full backup, meaning I delete the /backup/current folder completely and rewrite everything... so that all data is read again |
| 10:48.25 | iwilcox | ws2k3: The server logs to /var/log/auth.log but the client can usually tell you everything you need to know if you throw a few -vvv in there |
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| 10:48.38 | hyper_ch | the snapshot / hardlinks backups go into /backup/old/YYYY-MM-DD_HH-MM/ |
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| 10:49.26 | ws2k3 | the chmod on the www directory was wrong thanks anyway for the help iwilcox |
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| 10:51.00 | hyper_ch | another WD Green 2TB ordered |
| 10:51.08 | hyper_ch | I mount the drive only when I do backups :) |
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| 10:58.12 | day | hyper_ch: why would you delete everything once a month? |
| 10:58.33 | hyper_ch | day: well, so that the home system gets its data read out once a month |
| 10:58.39 | hyper_ch | bit rot etc... |
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| 10:59.07 | hyper_ch | because rsync won't read all data |
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| 10:59.29 | petern_ | Pardon? |
| 11:00.22 | hyper_ch | when I rsync -avzp --delete --delete-excluded --exclude-from=bu.excludes / /backup/current then rsync won't read every bit and byte of the already existing data |
| 11:01.38 | hyper_ch | --> Each file will be checked to see if it can be skipped. In the most common mode of operation files are not skipped if the modification time or size differs. |
| 11:01.57 | hyper_ch | so files I haven't touched for years will not be read out completely again by rsync and just skipped |
| 11:02.15 | hyper_ch | because it exists already in /path/to/some/file and /backup/current/path/to/some/file |
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| 11:02.34 | hyper_ch | but that doesn't mean, that the file is still intact... there could be bad sectors and stuff |
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| 11:03.01 | hyper_ch | for that reason, once a month, I just delete /backup/current again and make a complete new sync |
| 11:03.15 | hyper_ch | so all data has to be read again and if an error occurs, I'll get notified |
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| 11:04.38 | hyper_ch | petern_: got it now? |
| 11:04.51 | petern_ | I'd rather do a separate verify step, than rely on my backup process to identify bad sectors. |
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| 11:05.51 | hyper_ch | petern_: that's up to you :) but rsync does do file verifcations :) |
| 11:05.52 | SynrGy | there's a switch to read all data |
| 11:06.10 | SynrGy | -I |
| 11:06.47 | petern_ | Your process ignores the possibility of read errors on your backup media. |
| 11:07.06 | petern_ | Current might be fine but if you need to go back... |
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| 11:08.11 | hyper_ch | petern_: that's not so much a concern |
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| 11:08.45 | petern_ | Integrity of backups is pretty vital, that's their purpose. |
| 11:08.52 | SynrGy | i've stop buying the greens and prefer the reds. |
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| 11:09.07 | SynrGy | green is fine for a desktop system but i wouldn't trust my backups to it |
| 11:09.27 | hyper_ch | petern_: yes, it re-creates the files every month, in between it hardlinks them if they were not altered... so at any time I have at least two complete sets |
| 11:09.39 | hyper_ch | on a desktop you want a ssd :) |
| 11:09.52 | iwilcox | bcache! |
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| 11:10.50 | hyper_ch | although I just read scary news that sudden powerloss on SSD can make it vanish from the system |
| 11:10.50 | SynrGy | yes, i'd get appropriate-sized ssds for my desktops if i had the money for them ... |
| 11:11.08 | hyper_ch | Samsung 840 Evo 1TB aint' so badly priced |
| 11:12.26 | SynrGy | when you're living paycheque to paycheque it is pretty crazy expensive |
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| 11:13.05 | SynrGy | i'll survive on my aging 680G WD blue for now |
| 11:13.34 | hyper_ch | http://www.extremetech.com/computing/169124-the-mysteriously-disappearing-drive-are-power-outages-killing-your-ssds - really scary |
| 11:14.06 | hyper_ch | SynrGy: you have just to hit the jackpot once with the lottery :) |
| 11:14.28 | SynrGy | that's another thing. my desktop isn't on a UPS. before investing significantly in more hardware, i want it to be on one |
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| 11:14.41 | SynrGy | that can solve the power outage issue |
| 11:14.56 | petern_ | My UPS died :( |
| 11:15.06 | hyper_ch | do UPSes really work? |
| 11:15.09 | SynrGy | aw :( |
| 11:15.18 | SynrGy | yes. they not only take the small bumps out of the power ... |
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| 11:15.28 | SynrGy | but allow for proper shutdown to happen before you totally lose poewr |
| 11:15.29 | SynrGy | power* |
| 11:15.29 | JyZyXEL | https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid&arch=amd64&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-3 how the heck is this search "too generic" |
| 11:15.32 | petern_ | Yes, they work. |
| 11:15.45 | hyper_ch | been pondering to get one for home server |
| 11:15.53 | SynrGy | i use nut with mine |
| 11:15.55 | hyper_ch | but didn't do much besides ponder about |
| 11:16.00 | frostschutz | unless they fail, and you have no redundancy, in which case the ups may be causing your power loss in the first place |
| 11:16.10 | wv | iwilcox, thanks, the .legacy-bootordering did the trick |
| 11:16.38 | hyper_ch | frostschutz: in the worst case, you can just email the NSA if they can ship you a backup of your data |
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| 11:17.15 | iwilcox | Are they offering that on stuff that hasn't touched the network yet? |
| 11:17.17 | SynrGy | frostschutz: speaking from experience? anyway, i think the likelihood of a power fail is much greater than a UPS fail. and if you proactively replace your batteries on a schedule, you should be mostly ok |
| 11:17.47 | hyper_ch | SynrGy: I can't remember the last power outage here |
| 11:18.01 | hyper_ch | that must have been years ago |
| 11:18.11 | hyper_ch | iwilcox: yes, the NSA can :) |
| 11:18.11 | SynrGy | nova scotia is smack dab in the middle of the hurricane corridor up the east coast of north america |
| 11:18.31 | petern_ | Hmm, UPS are pretty expensive... wonder why mine is not working, heh. |
| 11:18.38 | SynrGy | mind you, most of them fizzle out before they hit us, but we're pretty much guaranteed to have at least one failure each season |
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| 11:19.07 | SynrGy | and then there are winter storms to contend with, too |
| 11:19.18 | hyper_ch | power grid here has been -this far - pretty stable |
| 11:19.45 | SynrGy | hyper_ch: don't underestimate the damage little bumps in the power might do, too |
| 11:19.57 | SynrGy | if even only wear and tear over time |
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| 11:20.37 | hyper_ch | never noticed anything :) |
| 11:20.44 | hyper_ch | but then, didn't really check or think about it |
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| 11:21.59 | SynrGy | ever had blown caps? aiui, 'dirty power' is a big contributing factor |
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| 11:22.31 | SynrGy | speaking from experience, blown caps on your motherboard can ruin your week :p |
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| 11:23.05 | hyper_ch | blown caps? |
| 11:23.09 | SynrGy | capacitors |
| 11:23.17 | SynrGy | where the tops begin to bulge ... |
| 11:23.29 | hyper_ch | not that I remember |
| 11:23.34 | SynrGy | and they lose the ability to do their job, which can start a cascade of failures |
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| 11:24.00 | JyZyXEL | blown caps are nothing compared to dried out caps |
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| 11:26.05 | wv | wv |
| 11:26.17 | hyper_ch | anyway, new drive ordered :) |
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| 11:27.40 | SynrGy | yeah. enjoy. (and sorry about all the OT. next time #d-ot) |
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| 11:32.17 | d3lxa | I'm trying to get my kernel sources but I don't get the correct version: apt-get source linux is getting me 3.15 but I want 3.14, I tried =3.14 etc what's wrong? |
| 11:33.23 | Shadow_7 | d3lxa: did you try the full name? linux-image-... |
| 11:34.05 | Shadow_7 | as listed in dpkg -l |
| 11:34.19 | d3lxa | Shadow_7: yes, it's getting me 3.15 instead |
| 11:34.26 | d3lxa | Picking 'linux' as source package instead of 'linux-image-3.14-1-amd64' |
| 11:34.28 | petern_ | Heh, batteries are so blown they're proper stuck inside it. |
| 11:34.58 | d3lxa | it's written in the manual to use 'linux' http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 11:35.29 | formorer | d3lxa: probably your packaging isn't available in that version anymore. |
| 11:36.01 | formorer | snapshot.debian.org should help |
| 11:36.02 | d3lxa | formorer: huh? it's still available upstream in the mirror, I just got the .deb |
| 11:36.21 | formorer | there is a difference between binary and sources. |
| 11:36.39 | d3lxa | btw what's this 'linux' invisible package? I don't see it anywhere |
| 11:36.48 | formorer | it is a source package. |
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| 11:41.16 | Shadow_7 | I normally grab the kernel.org sources and use the /boot/config to configure it. Or /proc/config.gz |
| 11:41.20 | d3lxa | I was able to install the source with apt-get source linux=3.14.12-1 |
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| 11:42.00 | d3lxa | Shadow_7: the sources upstream does not have the debian patches |
| 11:42.58 | Shadow_7 | true... but do you really "need" those patches? upstream? |
| 11:43.05 | rtur | Is there a way to write the depends&builddepends sections in a control file in a way so the same package version that was used to build shall also be set as the dependency for the binary package. Example: Build-Depends: libboost-dev (>=1.43) , if then the package is build with boost 1.49 (with debuild) I want then that the dependency written in Depends: to be liboost-dev (=1.49) . |
| 11:43.14 | d3lxa | Shadow_7: I think so, there are i915 patches that may benefit me at least |
| 11:44.08 | Shadow_7 | d3lxa: you could always get the linux-headers... and compile that from intels sources for the module |
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| 11:51.19 | OpenTokix | Would you put extra modules in /etc/modules or /etc/modules.conf.d/extra.conf or similar? |
| 11:52.18 | petern_ | Damn, £80 to replace the batteries on this UPS, and I don't know if it'll work after :S |
| 11:52.21 | Bugson | ok so whenk I put firmware-bnx2 on fat usb debian doesn't use it during installation and my network is down, when I install it after installation process my network card starts to work, any tips on the subject? |
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| 11:54.01 | [exa] | Hi everyone |
| 11:54.29 | Bugson | I wouldn't care but such installation doesn't suit my need at all, I can't even install new packages as apt doesn't find packages after apt-get update |
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| 11:55.12 | Bugson | I tries unoficial iso with firmware from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/jessie_di_alpha_1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 11:55.22 | Bugson | but it also doesn't load bnx2 firmware |
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| 11:56.29 | Shadow_7 | OpenTokix: If manually configured, /etc/modules |
| 11:56.45 | OpenTokix | Shadow_7: It is for configuration managment |
| 11:57.35 | sandman13 | Bugson: Testing is meant to be like that |
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| 11:58.08 | JyZyXEL | is there something i can use to explore a random package repository? |
| 11:58.28 | Shadow_7 | OpenTokix: are the modules able to autoload? if the /dev/ or whatever is used a /etc/modprobe.d/?.conf configuration to define the particulars. |
| 11:58.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Bugson about firmware images |
| 11:58.51 | OpenTokix | Shadow_7: it is normal modules, that should be loaded at boot |
| 11:59.01 | Bugson | abrotman: like I said I'm already using it |
| 11:59.17 | abrotman | Bugson: then you shouldn't have to load the firmware from outside .. unless the kernel doesn't know about your NIC at all |
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| 12:00.31 | Bugson | abrotman: as fas as I've read there where some problems with detectinc BCM5716 by kernel: http://insanelabs.com/debian/debian-lenny-cannot-load-broadcom-nic-drivers-asking-for-firmware-bnx2-06-405fw-during-install/ |
| 12:00.48 | abrotman | Bugson: That's in lenny, that's old ... |
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| 12:00.57 | abrotman | Like, really old |
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| 12:01.07 | Bugson | abrotman: problem is that installer doesn't ask about firmware but when I install it manually network cards starts to work |
| 12:01.08 | abrotman | not even a 3.x kernel |
| 12:01.30 | Bugson | abrotman: that's why I'm here asking for help :) |
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| 12:01.39 | abrotman | Bugson: use the nonfree netinst as you're doing, load the driver, what does it say? |
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| 12:02.32 | Bugson | abrotman: it gives error that dhcp doesn't work which does, and with manual configuration it says that network has failed |
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| 12:03.08 | Bugson | when I finish installation and reboot kernel throws error that it cannot load firmware bnx2 |
| 12:03.28 | Bugson | when I install it and reboot everything starts to work |
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| 12:03.52 | abrotman | but if you put the firmware in place, unload/reload driver .. same thing? |
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| 12:03.54 | Bugson | but apt-get isn't installed properly and can't find any packages |
| 12:03.58 | heurist | Bugson: make sure you put the firmware files in the correct directory, the docs where unclear on that the last time I looked and I wasted lots of time, unfortunatly I do not recall exactly where to put them, but either in /firmware or in the same directories the archive uses (still under the firmware dir). |
| 12:04.13 | abrotman | /lib/firmware/ I thought .. |
| 12:04.16 | uetzibuetzi | exit |
| 12:04.19 | abrotman | see, that's part of the confusion :) |
| 12:04.48 | heurist | pretty sure it is not /lib/ on the usb during install |
| 12:04.58 | Bugson | abrotman: you're saying about loading driver thru shell? |
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| 12:05.11 | Bugson | heurist: I think it's the root dir |
| 12:05.18 | abrotman | modprobe -r bnx2 && modprobe bnx2 |
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| 12:05.32 | abrotman | if the installer doesn't have moddprobe, use rmmod/insmod ... /me shudders |
| 12:05.39 | Bugson | heurist: but from what I recall debian should ask for extar firmware |
| 12:05.45 | jelly-home | bnx2 fw has a subdir under /lib/firmware |
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| 12:05.56 | heurist | Bugson: there is also https://bugs.debian.org/740503 |
| 12:06.22 | heurist | Bugson: it was almost definitly not the root, but not definite ): |
| 12:06.44 | abrotman | jelly-home: just to be different? |
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| 12:07.05 | jelly-home | it's not the only one |
| 12:07.13 | Bugson | heurist: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 |
| 12:07.15 | heurist | Bugson: installer does not ask if the drive is inserted when it looks. |
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| 12:07.58 | Bugson | heurist: without inserted it also doesn't ask what is strange in my opinion |
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| 12:08.27 | Bugson | I remember it does with my previous installations |
| 12:08.46 | jelly-home | Bugson: some (not all) cards using this driver can work without fw, some cannot |
| 12:08.52 | heurist | Bugson: that page says "either the root directory or a directory named /firmware of the file system on the medium" so who knows these days. |
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| 12:09.07 | iLogic | hey guys, i'm unable to see any external hdds i plug on a usb 3.0 port, they mount fine when i plug to the 2.0 ports and also the mouse works fine when i plug it on the 3.0 port.. any clues? |
| 12:09.17 | jelly-home | thus the driver continues to load even in absence of fw |
| 12:09.41 | Bugson | jelly-home: ok so is there some way to load it manually? |
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| 12:10.01 | Bugson | go in shell and make dpkg -i firm...? |
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| 12:10.20 | Bugson | I've never done such staff |
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| 12:10.49 | jelly-home | Bugson: if you're in the installer, and using jessie d-i, I'd suggest asking in the installer irc channel. #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:10.50 | Bugson | I can try to load and unload the driver like abrotman said to give some more feedback |
| 12:11.15 | heurist | Bugson: what does dmesg say about firmware when loading the driver or when detecting the hardware during boot? |
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| 12:11.41 | Shadow_7 | iLogic: perhaps a kernel modules isn't loaded. Like ohci (or uhci) for 1.x USB, then ehci for usb 2.x, don't know the name for 3.x atm. |
| 12:12.09 | Bugson | heurist: that it cannot load the firmware bnx2 and so on |
| 12:12.24 | Bugson | jelly-home: ok I'll go and ask there, thx for the tips |
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| 12:13.20 | [exa] | quick question: what is the easiest way to install debian on a machine with a small disk (no PXE boot needed, grub/initrd can be local) but with root on NFS? is there some good howto? |
| 12:13.33 | Shadow_7 | the testing installer is for "testing" the installer. It's better to install stable, then upgrade. |
| 12:14.09 | jelly-home | Shadow_7: at this point in time, the d-i devel web page says otherwise |
| 12:14.11 | Shadow_7 | [exa]: how small? |
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| 12:14.42 | [exa] | Shadow_7: less than 1GB.. smaller than data that I want to host there |
| 12:14.44 | iLogic | Shadow_7: lspci says xhci_hcd is loaded |
| 12:14.51 | Shadow_7 | [exa]: I do debootstrap installs, < 400MB for a base system in most cases. |
| 12:15.23 | Shadow_7 | But that's a minimal install, no X, or other things. |
| 12:15.48 | [exa] | Shadow_7: mostly installing "just a worker machine" and don't want to setup full diskless PXE+nfsroot. |
| 12:15.53 | Shadow_7 | iLogic: and your disks do not show in /proc/partitions? |
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| 12:16.41 | Shadow_7 | iLogic: any indicators in dmesg? |
| 12:18.28 | Shadow_7 | [exa]: what type of work? The base system is little more than a bash prompt, limited networking, and the package management system to install stuff. |
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| 12:20.30 | iLogic | Shadow_7: it shows up on dmesg but not on /proc/partitions |
| 12:21.14 | Shadow_7 | iLogic: dmesg says what? unknown? no driver? |
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| 12:21.37 | [exa] | Shadow_7: just an apache+php worker |
| 12:22.13 | Shadow_7 | [exa]: so basic lamp stack? should fit in < 1GB. Although it depends on how much content you'll have on it. |
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| 12:22.43 | [exa] | i want the root to be on NFS because of software updates and so |
| 12:23.07 | [exa] | updating one host on ZFS, then clone off to the other hosts |
| 12:23.13 | iLogic | Shadow_7: says: scsi 14:0:0:0: Direct-Access Seagate GoFlex Turbo 0214 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 |
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| 12:24.21 | [exa] | hmm, i found pxeboot+nfsroot howto for debian, gonna try just to strip off the PXE part :] |
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| 12:26.52 | Shadow_7 | iLogic: looks like you might need to pass pci=nomsi to the kernel for that drive to work. |
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| 12:31.06 | iLogic | Shadow_7: sorry for being a noob, but i just add pci=nomsi to /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
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| 12:31.53 | Shadow_7 | or /boot/grub/grub.cfg if you're using grub2 on the linux / kernel line for the option you boot. |
| 12:32.57 | iLogic | Shadow_7: that's what i'm using, actually.. but just that expression in a separate line will do it? at the end? |
| 12:34.22 | Shadow_7 | there's more than one way to do it, but the line with root=... pci=nomsi .. ro quiet or whatevs |
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| 12:35.16 | iLogic | Shadow_7: I added it to /etc/default/grub as the header of that file said, but when i run update-grub afterwards it just hangs |
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| 12:38.20 | iLogic | Shadow_7: gonna reboot now, thanks for the tip |
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| 12:40.20 | stevied | ping dondelelcaro |
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| 13:05.19 | boratynskikamil | Is Moodle by default in Debian repositories? |
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| 13:07.48 | Andy-ds1_ | boratynskikamil: http://docs.moodle.org/20/en/Debian_GNU/Linux_installation#Installing_Moodle_as_a_Debian_package |
| 13:07.50 | brlancer | boratynskikamil: I see packages in squeeze (old-stable) and sid (unstable) https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=moodle&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
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| 13:11.41 | punkgeek_ | can i send passpharse with cloud? (encrypting) |
| 13:12.14 | backSlasher | I'm getting "The following packages have been kept back" when trying to upgrade "linux-image-amd64" after pinning backports. Any way to avoid "dist-upgrade"? |
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| 13:13.02 | shingouz | backSlasher: install the kernel manually. apt-get install <foo> |
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| 13:13.43 | backSlasher | shingouz, I was hoping to keep it in "apt-get upgrade" |
| 13:14.25 | shingouz | backSlasher: it is most probably on hold for some reason or another. after you install it manually, it will ge off hold and install automagically next time |
| 13:14.26 | sammi` | !previous |
| 13:14.46 | shingouz | !tell backSlasher about hold |
| 13:14.53 | backSlasher | shingouz, I read that it was because it requires the installation of a new package (the real kernel) |
| 13:15.15 | backSlasher | shingouz, I will check about hold though. |
| 13:15.37 | shingouz | backSlasher: well, it is a metapackage. personally i manually select the kernel i want to run and do not let the system automagically update the kernel |
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| 13:18.16 | backSlasher | shingouz, it is not on hold. checked by grepping `dpkg --get-selections` and `apt-mark showhold`. Could it be becauase it's a metapackage? |
| 13:18.29 | Shadow_7 | I tend not to uninstall the previous kernel. Until I have 3 more more iterations of old kernels. Or I think my grub menu is too long. |
| 13:19.16 | shingouz | good point. the new kernel might be unbootable so it will be easier to get the system up again on the old kernel when it still sits on the drive |
| 13:19.27 | backSlasher | I keep one kernel back at home, but these are work-servers. I don't give them as much love and attention |
| 13:19.43 | backSlasher | :P |
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| 13:21.17 | shingouz | backSlasher: on a production server i would *never* let the system just automagically install a neww kernel. too many risks for me. install manually and when update time comes, make sure the new kernel will work as planned. use a scratchmonkey to test before working on the production servers |
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| 13:22.21 | backSlasher | shingouz, this is after letting pre-prod stew in it and only from official repos, so I see little risk with it |
| 13:22.42 | shingouz | good. you used a scratchmonkey :) |
| 13:23.22 | backSlasher | shingouz, so no way around using "install" or "dist-upgrade" for metapackages? |
| 13:23.35 | OpenTokix | shingouz: when did you have a problem with a kernel last time? |
| 13:23.39 | shingouz | backSlasher: maybe that is why the kernel is on hold... do a uname -a on the test system and install the appropriate kernel manually to be safe |
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| 13:24.25 | OpenTokix | I havnet had a problem with a stock debian kernel for years |
| 13:24.26 | shingouz | backSlasher: umm... they update automagically when there is a new version of the software they point at |
| 13:24.37 | backSlasher | shingouz, kernel is not on hold (as far as I could see) |
| 13:24.40 | shingouz | OpenTokix: sid has some nasty habits |
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| 13:25.01 | OpenTokix | shingouz: So you dont autoupgrade kernel on production, but run sid? - ok ;) |
| 13:25.22 | backSlasher | living on the edge |
| 13:25.36 | shingouz | OpenTokix: you asked when i last had problems with a kernel. i answered that. the production systems do not run sid |
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| 13:26.04 | OpenTokix | shingouz: when did you have a kernel issue on a debian stable machine last time? |
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| 13:26.50 | shingouz | a long time ago. i still do not see any point in taking unnecseeary risks. otoh, maybe i am a bit paranoid |
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| 13:27.04 | OpenTokix | yes you are |
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| 13:27.59 | backSlasher | so upgrade habits aside, packages with new dependencies are held back unless explicitly installed / dist-upgrade is used? |
| 13:28.00 | shingouz | OpenTokix: i do not like surprises. i also hate the wtf-moment when the systems go casters up |
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| 13:28.22 | shingouz | backSlasher: afaik, yes |
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| 13:28.59 | backSlasher | shingouz, ok. and the difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade is only this? |
| 13:29.01 | shingouz | backSlasher: i also have to mention that i have not used pinning since... umm... the last dinosaurs roamed the earth? |
| 13:29.11 | shingouz | yes |
| 13:29.30 | backSlasher | shingouz, I have a feeling that using `apt-mark showauto` on your machines will return nothing |
| 13:29.54 | shingouz | backSlasher: you could also do a --ignnore-hold but usually the holds are there for a reason |
| 13:31.11 | shingouz | backSlasher: update/upgrade usually results in some new packages. i tend to keep the hold list as short as possible on the sids but i also read the bugs before i install. as i said, i hate non-working systems because they mean more work for me and i am lazy |
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| 13:31.47 | Bugson | jelly-home: this article saved my ass http://www.underhanded.org/blog/2009/12/18 |
| 13:33.43 | backSlasher | shingouz, got it. I think my hold list is empty |
| 13:33.56 | shingouz | attaboy :) |
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| 13:37.11 | heurist | Bugson: so you manually copied the .fw file? |
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| 13:37.43 | Sark | So - quick question - is there anything I should be aware of for running a Debian system off an SSD? I just bought my first SSD, with the intent of replacing the failing mechanical drive in my laptop, and want to check if there are any gotchas with regards to swap, etc? |
| 13:38.11 | esakish | Sark, Learn how to TRIM |
| 13:38.11 | heurist | Sark: how much ram do you have? |
| 13:38.13 | esakish | Also, don |
| 13:38.16 | esakish | 't auto trim |
| 13:38.16 | backSlasher | Sark I'm just finishing a week of "research" for myself |
| 13:38.33 | Sark | 2 gigs of RAM. |
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| 13:38.45 | esakish | Sark, http://blog.neutrino.es/2013/howto-properly-activate-trim-for-your-ssd-on-linux-fstrim-lvm-and-dmcrypt/ |
| 13:38.51 | backSlasher | Sark, Ubuntu, which is supposed to be less configuration, uses a weekly trimfs |
| 13:39.04 | `ajven | hi, i screw up my server, please help me. How i can see what package are installed on server ? |
| 13:39.15 | heurist | Sark: maybe avoid swap or look into zram |
| 13:39.44 | Sark | zram? Haven't heard of it. I'll look it up. |
| 13:39.47 | shingouz | Sark: afaik the ssd's have a limited number of writes. make sure your system does not constantly thrash the drive. noatime and such in fstab, swap on an ssd does not sound like a good idea either |
| 13:39.49 | heurist | Sark: use a newer kernel from backports as well maybe. |
| 13:40.00 | backSlasher | esakish, I didn't enable TRIM on LVM - it happened by itself IMO |
| 13:40.12 | Sark | I don't think I can get away without swap, since it's pretty easy to use up 2 gig. |
| 13:40.17 | `ajven | any chance for help ? |
| 13:40.32 | Sark | I'm doing a fresh install via netinst, so I should get the latest everything. |
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| 13:40.43 | backSlasher | esakish, I just used `fstrim` on my root and it worked (root is on LVM) |
| 13:41.03 | SynrGy | `ajven: aptitude versions --group-by=none '~i' |
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| 13:41.35 | shingouz | mumbles something about losing the irritating dit in front of the nick |
| 13:41.58 | `ajven | SynrGy not working |
| 13:42.05 | heurist | shingouz: ident! |
| 13:42.43 | iwilcox | `ajven: If you want help, help the channel to help you. "not working" doesn't give us much to work with. |
| 13:42.51 | shingouz | ajven: dpkg --get-selections | less. and please lose the dit or dah in front of your nick? |
| 13:43.59 | `ajven | well its just not working showing me options what i can use with aptitude |
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| 13:44.18 | SynrGy | shingouz: getting dpkg's selections only tells you the desired state, not the actual state. |
| 13:44.28 | SynrGy | `ajven: you fail at typing |
| 13:44.29 | shingouz | i stand corrected |
| 13:44.48 | SynrGy | `ajven: cut-and-paste might work better? :) |
| 13:45.00 | SynrGy | (or maybe you fail at reading?) |
| 13:45.08 | `ajven | i did it |
| 13:45.18 | SynrGy | and the output was what? |
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| 13:45.36 | iwilcox | `ajven: "showing me options" is much better, but I'm still going to throw http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html at you |
| 13:45.51 | `ajven | well i hate ppl on debian so unkind dear god |
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| 13:45.55 | `ajven | bye nvm thanks for help |
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| 13:46.10 | eihrul | anyone know what might cause the gtk filechooser to freeze/hang any app it is used in? firefox, gimp, inkscape, etc. all seem to hang whenever i try to open/save as/etc. that launches the gtk filechooser, and this has made my system rather unusable :/ |
| 13:46.27 | SynrGy | good lord |
| 13:46.44 | iwilcox | I hate people on #debian. Literally *none* of them are psychic. |
| 13:46.44 | SynrGy | the command works fine on wheezy and sid. either he's not reading, not typing, or not running debian. |
| 13:47.11 | SuperNull | iwilcox i knew you were going to say that. |
| 13:47.16 | SuperNull | dick. |
| 13:47.17 | SuperNull | :P |
| 13:47.23 | heurist | I am a bit pdychic, about 40% of the time |
| 13:47.26 | SuperNull | goes back to idle |
| 13:47.33 | shingouz | SynrGy: you probably should have crawled over to his place as a tcp package and fixed it for him |
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| 13:48.25 | Shadow_7 | Assuming it was something broke, and I don't like the color green. |
| 13:48.26 | backSlasher | `ajven, I think you should stop panicking and read /var/log/apt/history.log to see what you did (and then understand how to fix it) |
| 13:48.42 | shingouz | he's gone... |
| 13:48.47 | backSlasher | oh :( |
| 13:49.00 | backSlasher | I copied the nick manually for nothing |
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| 13:55.21 | esakish | Do you need to TRIM on an SSD before reinstalling Debian? The SSD wouldn't know which blocks are free, no? |
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| 13:55.50 | hyper_ch | just create new partitions |
| 13:57.18 | backSlasher | You can trim after you're finished imo |
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| 13:57.45 | hyper_ch | at least that's how I setup my notebook again |
| 13:58.09 | Cpuroast | yah simply running fstrim after it's done is fine |
| 13:58.12 | hyper_ch | I converted it to raid1... so I just the same partitions but in the use I set to raid |
| 13:58.23 | hyper_ch | seems to work all fine :) |
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| 13:58.42 | heurist | esakish: trim before partitioning would be a waste, after partioning or after install would be a good idea |
| 13:59.01 | backSlasher | hyper_ch, which version of Debian are you using? |
| 13:59.02 | esakish | Ok |
| 13:59.18 | hyper_ch | on the notebooke I'm using kubuntu |
| 13:59.21 | backSlasher | because Wheezy stable doesn't support TRIM on RAID1 |
| 13:59.22 | backSlasher | oh |
| 13:59.34 | hyper_ch | didn't know about that :) |
| 13:59.41 | backSlasher | guess how I found out :) |
| 13:59.47 | e-anima | is it possible to do this, i mean aliasing: alias compilesass='while sleep 1; do compass compile .;done' |
| 13:59.57 | hyper_ch | aren't there newer kernels in backport? |
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| 14:00.02 | backSlasher | there are |
| 14:00.07 | Cpuroast | 3.14 is in backports |
| 14:00.08 | backSlasher | btw, imo formatting doesn't save you from trimming |
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| 14:00.49 | e-anima | ok it is. had a mistake, forgot sorucing it |
| 14:00.51 | heurist | yes trims after mkfs, that is the step I meant |
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| 14:01.26 | wathek | any one's using debian jessie here ? because I have a problem with the mouse speed I cannot change it and it's very slow I tried to change it from the gui I set it to max and nothing happens and I tried to change it usig xset command and it's still very slow |
| 14:01.45 | wathek | this is happened after updating xserver |
| 14:02.48 | petern_ | See topic for testing support. |
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| 14:04.24 | hyper_ch | https://github.com/Cyberax/mdtrim |
| 14:04.34 | mika64 | hallo...jemand da der mir bei einem Postfix Problem helfen kann? |
| 14:05.03 | SPF | !de |
| 14:05.03 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 14:05.04 | AquaL1te | mika64: english bitte ;-) |
| 14:05.04 | bw_ | mika64: don't ask to ask, just ask (in english;) |
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| 14:05.28 | hyper_ch | wouldn't #postfix be the more appropriate channel? |
| 14:06.08 | Shadow_7 | unless the issue is that postfix won't install |
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| 14:07.21 | mika64 | how can i user postfix as a nullmailer beeing able to send root-Mails to a local user and forward them via smtp. Both alone no prob...together it doesn't work |
| 14:07.24 | hyper_ch | Shadow_7: you might have a good point there :) |
| 14:07.54 | mika64 | the postfix channel is only for registered users @ hyper_ch |
| 14:08.11 | mika64 | i tried it first ;-) |
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| 14:08.22 | hyper_ch | mika64: it's good to be registered on freenode :) |
| 14:08.33 | bw_ | mika64: exim4 with debians installscript provides a easy setup for smarthosts, that should do what you ask for |
| 14:08.54 | bw_ | it doesn't sound like it must be postfix after all |
| 14:08.57 | mika64 | isn't smarthost setup just forwarding? |
| 14:09.00 | hyper_ch | and then edit /etc/aliases to setup where root et al shall send email to |
| 14:09.20 | hyper_ch | (and after editing run: newaliases) |
| 14:09.28 | hyper_ch | IIRC |
| 14:10.06 | mika64 | I ve tried that @ hyper_ch...doesnt work |
| 14:10.20 | hyper_ch | mika64: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ia64/ch08s05.html.de |
| 14:10.54 | hyper_ch | you want exim4 as smarthost IMHO |
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| 14:12.01 | hyper_ch | mika64: http://blog.xig.ch/Exim-Smarthost-mit-Authentifizierung-%FCber-STARTTLS_127.html |
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| 14:13.41 | mika64 | these tutorials are delivering root mails local and via smtp to a smarthost? |
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| 14:14.41 | petern_ | Something like "root: localuser, remoteuser@domain" in /etc/aliases should work, no? |
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| 14:15.02 | petern_ | Pretty sure aliases allows multiple recipients. |
| 14:15.41 | mika64 | using aliases with postfix or exim? |
| 14:15.52 | petern_ | I use postfix myself. |
| 14:16.01 | hyper_ch | aliases works with exim4 |
| 14:16.21 | hyper_ch | never tried multiple recipients in aliases with exim though |
| 14:16.22 | petern_ | Yeah, should not be a difference really. |
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| 14:17.09 | hyper_ch | time to call it a work day :) |
| 14:17.10 | hyper_ch | cya |
| 14:17.21 | petern_ | enjoy |
| 14:17.23 | bw_ | aliases should be MTA agnostic IIRC |
| 14:17.37 | oser | is there a debian phone coming? |
| 14:17.56 | petern_ | bw_, I wouldn't be surprised if qmail did something different :) |
| 14:18.23 | SynrGy | oser: http://wiki.debian.org/Mobile may interest you |
| 14:18.28 | jww | isn't those neo freerunners running debian already ? |
| 14:18.30 | bw_ | petern_: heh, true |
| 14:18.57 | jhutchins | hyper_ch: Yeah, multiple recipients in aliases works in exim. |
| 14:19.00 | SynrGy | oser: i haven't seen or heard a lot of progress in that area. but i haven't checked up on them lately |
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| 14:19.14 | oser | oh thanks for the info.. first time heard it. |
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| 14:20.58 | mika64 | just being curious..... anyone in here who worked @ the german selflinux project years ago? |
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| 14:21.21 | bw_ | if only the GSM part of every phone wouldn't be closed/blackboxed |
| 14:21.32 | mika64 | the postfix config i use is discribed here: http://www.it-muecke.de/node/537 |
| 14:21.47 | mika64 | its pretty simple |
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| 14:22.23 | mika64 | works fine....exept the local delivery |
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| 14:25.58 | yayaja | hi, why is debian-next invited only ? i need some help with testing |
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| 14:26.57 | centrx | yayaja, It is on the OFTC IRC network |
| 14:26.58 | Shadow_7 | did you try /join #debian-next |
| 14:27.04 | mtn | yayaja: go to the correct server and it won't be |
| 14:27.08 | Shadow_7 | and that ^^^ |
| 14:27.21 | yayaja | ohh thanks guys. have a nice day |
| 14:28.07 | petern_ | Heh, I used to get phone calls from companies trying to sell email lists, and claiming they had all registered to receive emails... |
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| 14:43.43 | deepblue | the system monitor shows 100 % cpu load thogh no runnung proccesses takes highrt the 2 %.what is wrong? |
| 14:44.02 | OpenTokix | deepblue: probably io |
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| 14:44.29 | deepblue | OpenTokix: what is it io? |
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| 14:44.52 | OpenTokix | deepblue: disk usage |
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| 14:45.02 | OpenTokix | deepblue: network usage, etc - input/output |
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| 14:45.26 | OpenTokix | deepblue: Generally disks is a lot slower than other parts of the system, so they stand and stap their fot and wait for the slow disks |
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| 14:45.56 | OpenTokix | deepblue: apt-get -y install sysstat && iostat 4 |
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| 14:46.28 | OpenTokix | deepblue: and then look at %iowait |
| 14:47.52 | deepblue | OpenTokix: ok |
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| 14:48.11 | OpenTokix | deepblue: do abort iostat: ctrl + c |
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| 14:50.28 | deepblue | 51,9 |
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| 14:52.13 | deepblue | OpenTokix: the last value %iowait=0.50 |
| 14:52.53 | OpenTokix | deepblue: when you do iostat 4 it iwll update every four seconds, and get the delta between the two mesurments |
| 14:53.04 | OpenTokix | and 51% iowait is _a lot_ will cause a machine to almost feel frozen |
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| 14:54.57 | deepblue | OpenTokix: i don;t think this is the oroblem.but the swap usage doesn't exeed .04!! |
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| 14:55.26 | OpenTokix | deepblue: if you have iowait at 50% - it is the problem you are describing |
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| 14:55.37 | deepblue | OpenTokix: i don;t think this is the problem.but the swap usage doesn't exeed 0.04GB of 1.9GB!! |
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| 14:56.02 | OpenTokix | What do the swap usage have to do with anything? |
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| 14:56.51 | deepblue | OpenTokix: the iowait4 is swinging |
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| 14:57.28 | OpenTokix | deepblue: as it should |
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| 14:57.42 | deepblue | not taking higher values now |
| 14:57.43 | roylaprattep | Someone there to help me ? |
| 14:57.51 | OpenTokix | deepblue: and you stil see 100% cpu usage? |
| 14:57.52 | roylaprattep | Pastebin http://payloge.com/?ref=1612 |
| 14:58.03 | roylaprattep | Please. |
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| 14:58.43 | deepblue | OpenTokix: yep |
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| 14:59.12 | OpenTokix | deepblue: What does: top |
| 14:59.13 | OpenTokix | say? |
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| 15:00.12 | jelly-home | roylaprattep: referal link spam is not allowed here. This is your only warning. |
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| 15:00.40 | deepblue | that's what i wanna no |
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| 15:02.54 | deepblue | still almost 100% cpu usage most of time |
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| 15:04.27 | OpenTokix | deepblue: intresting |
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| 15:05.11 | deepblue | OpenTokix: still almost 100% cpu usage most of time |
| 15:05.42 | OpenTokix | And if you run iostat 1 together with top |
| 15:05.51 | OpenTokix | When top have 100% cpu,what does iostat say? |
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| 15:08.54 | deepblue | 58,61,54 |
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| 15:09.45 | deepblue | OpenTokix: 58,61,54 |
| 15:09.52 | HeisSpiter | Is there any reason why testing has no openswan packages? |
| 15:09.58 | HeisSpiter | Stable and old stable used to have them |
| 15:10.10 | OpenTokix | deepblue: There is the reason - and finding out what process is doing this - is a little bit harder. |
| 15:10.11 | HeisSpiter | sid doesn't have them either |
| 15:11.18 | deepblue | OpenTokix: what if i shutdown and restart?will it help? |
| 15:11.39 | OpenTokix | deepblue: That will probably solve the problem, but you will not avoid the issue in the future. |
| 15:11.46 | jhutchins | HeisSpiter: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=openswan |
| 15:12.11 | HeisSpiter | 404 - Not Found |
| 15:12.32 | deepblue | good enuogh for me |
| 15:12.52 | deepblue | OpenTokix: good enuogh for me,thanx a lot |
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| 15:12.56 | OpenTokix | deepblue: yw |
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| 15:13.55 | jhutchins | HeisSpiter: Yeah, sorry, web page is broken. |
| 15:13.59 | HeisSpiter | And looking through the lists at https://release.debian.org/migration/ |
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| 15:14.03 | HeisSpiter | gives no information |
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| 15:14.24 | jhutchins | HeisSpiter: It was allways a bit hit-or-miss. |
| 15:14.25 | jmcnaught | HeisSpiter: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/openswan |
| 15:15.18 | HeisSpiter | It says it got removed |
| 15:15.20 | HeisSpiter | No reason why? |
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| 15:16.50 | jmcnaught | HeisSpiter: if you dig around on that tracker or the old one you might find the reason. If you don't like surprises like packaged disappearing, you can always use Debian Stable :) |
| 15:17.12 | HeisSpiter | Well, it means it won't be in next stable.... |
| 15:17.27 | HeisSpiter | So, keeps being a surprise |
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| 15:17.42 | jhutchins | HeisSpiter: Package has three RC bugs and has not been updated for more than a year. |
| 15:17.52 | jhutchins | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/openswan |
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| 15:18.11 | HeisSpiter | RC bugs? |
| 15:19.48 | jhutchins | ,v strongswan |
| 15:19.49 | judd | Package: strongswan on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4.1-5.4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 4.4.1-5.6; squeeze-security: 4.4.1-5.6; squeeze-backports: 4.5.2-1.5+deb7u2~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 4.5.2-1.5+deb7u3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.5.2-1.5+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 4.5.2-1.5+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 5.1.1-2~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 5.1.1-3~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 5.1.3-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 5.1.3-4; |
| 15:19.50 | judd | sid: 5.2.0-1 |
| 15:19.54 | jhutchins | HeisSpiter: Try that. |
| 15:20.36 | HeisSpiter | ok, thanks |
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| 15:21.14 | jhutchins | HeisSpiter: Realease Critical: considered bad enough that the software should not be released as a part of the stable release. |
| 15:21.24 | zen_monkey | came across some half translated dialog on vim, where should i go to help correcting that? |
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| 15:21.52 | jhutchins | zen_monkey: Dialog? Translated from what to what? |
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| 15:22.16 | trae32566[W] | is there a way to drop to a root shell in a netinstall disk? |
| 15:23.05 | jhutchins | trae32566[W]: It depends on where you are in the install, Alt-F2 maybe? |
| 15:23.44 | usr1 | is there anyone who can help on building debian package for java packages |
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| 15:24.06 | zen_monkey | jhutchins, the text that suggests to diff two files when there was a .swp already and recovered it. It's half in spanish and half in english (my system it's set to spanish) |
| 15:24.22 | zen_monkey | E308 |
| 15:24.33 | esakish | If you only install debian base, do you just literally apt-get install kde to get a working desktop, or are there configurations needed? |
| 15:25.37 | usr1 | what tool is available to build deb installation package out of a java package |
| 15:25.55 | trae32566[W] | thanks. |
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| 15:26.02 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell esakish -about install kde |
| 15:26.20 | jmcnaught | esakish: you have a few options which dpkg just messaged you about :) |
| 15:26.26 | trae32566[W] | trying to help this guy in #kvm and losing patience fast. |
| 15:26.31 | esakish | Thanks |
| 15:26.46 | trae32566[W] | earlier I got asked "/dev/virtuals/router-centos is a logical volume?" |
| 15:27.13 | trae32566[W] | "yes ..... /dev/<volume-group>/<logical-volume>" |
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| 15:30.03 | zen_monkey | esakish, check apt-cache show kde-standard or kde-full |
| 15:30.31 | esakish | Was mainly asking if there was any configuration involved other than installing the packages |
| 15:31.03 | jmcnaught | usr1: javahelper package has some tools for that. You'll probably need to read the New Maintainers Guide or a packaging tutorial if you haven't already |
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| 15:32.58 | jmcnaught | esakish: shouldn't be necessary to configure beforehand. apt-get will pull in any packages that KDE needs and xorg and the others usually configure themselves. If you have trouble after installing, then sometimes it might be necessary to config X or pulseaudio or something, but most people don't need to |
| 15:33.16 | esakish | Thanks |
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| 15:34.38 | usr1 | jmcnaught: can i have a link where i can use that or a link which shows how to insert ant and java into debian/rules file. |
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| 15:37.05 | jmcnaught | usr1: sorry not off the top of my head. Maybe you can find something about it in the Policy or Developer's Reference? https://www.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 15:39.13 | jmcnaught | usr1: https://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/java-policy/ maybe that will help |
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| 15:47.17 | myselfhere | Hello, anyone knows what could be soultion of a problem with bandcamp on icewasel - its not playing |
| 15:47.39 | myselfhere | i have installed gnash and gstreamer and gecko |
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| 15:47.58 | myselfhere | and set play_on_click to true ( was false by default ) |
| 15:48.26 | myselfhere | yet still not playing, no any messages poping out, just no reaction when I click play button |
| 15:48.37 | swi | Hello. Does sid has broken multiarch now ? |
| 15:48.46 | myselfhere | and i cant find media.gstreamer |
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| 15:48.53 | myselfhere | in about:config |
| 15:49.12 | swi | oops, sorry |
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| 15:51.17 | mtn | myselfhere: if the site uses flash, you will probably need the flash plugin installed |
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| 15:51.55 | myselfhere | mtn: i said i installe d gnash |
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| 15:52.25 | myselfhere | when i has no plugin website reportas it now its silent |
| 15:52.48 | mtn | myselfhere: gnash is not the flash plugin. look at flashplugin-nonfree, I think it is called. if you want to use chromium, you will need pepperflash |
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| 15:53.25 | myselfhere | gnash is *proper* plugin, |
| 15:53.27 | myselfhere | here |
| 15:53.35 | mtn | myselfhere: ok. good luck! |
| 15:53.39 | myselfhere | it works w/o problems on arch :P |
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| 15:54.46 | h00s | hi. i did a dist-upgrade on my testing which updated xorg. update completed but it broke/removed proprietary nvidia driver, and x is now unable to start. any advice how ti fix this? |
| 15:54.48 | myselfhere | dang, installing media plugins on fresh installation to get basic media functionality for web pages is so boring and "trial be errors" like |
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| 15:55.11 | myselfhere | can't one just make metapackage for that? :D |
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| 15:56.35 | myselfhere | I see no media.gstreamer.* in about:config |
| 15:56.38 | myselfhere | dunno why |
| 15:56.41 | myselfhere | any ideas? |
| 15:57.21 | wullst | hey there, when i want to install debian on a machine running the amd a4 processor, should i choose the amd64 port? |
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| 15:58.17 | Shadow_7 | wullst: is there anything else too choose? amd64 == generic x86_64 linux |
| 15:58.42 | wullst | Shadow_7: And that means? |
| 15:59.03 | daemonkeeper | Shadow_7: If course. IA64, which is commonly confused with x86_64 |
| 15:59.13 | Shadow_7 | wullst: idk... the /proc/cpuinfo has " lm " in the FLAGS section. |
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| 16:00.12 | wullst | Shadow_7: it does have "lm" in the flags section, yes |
| 16:00.21 | Shadow_7 | ia64 is for itanium cpus ONLY... or however it's spelt... |
| 16:01.13 | Shadow_7 | wullst: so amd64 should do you |
| 16:01.30 | wullst | i always thought that amd64 is for amd 64 bit processors. and the question arose, since i wasn't able to tell, if the amd a4 is a 64 bit processor. |
| 16:01.34 | wullst | ok |
| 16:02.24 | Shadow_7 | there's more confusion since intel's x86_64 runs with amd64 distros. Guess they lost the name game |
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| 16:03.01 | Shadow_7 | at least with debian, other distros label it x86_64 |
| 16:03.12 | heurist | amd was first with 64 bit extensions while intel was still trying to get ia64 working, then intell copied them |
| 16:03.27 | wullst | ok. well maybe there should be an exact list of which port goes with with port. |
| 16:03.40 | wullst | i know of a general debian ports overview only |
| 16:03.41 | heurist | x86_64 is starting to be used, but it is slow going. |
| 16:03.56 | daemonkeeper | Shadow_7: They did. There is also IA64 (Intel architecture 64), used e.g. for Itanium, but that's barely used and never on end user systems. |
| 16:04.32 | daemonkeeper | Unlike x86_64 (invented by AMD) which is used by every modern (IBM) PC |
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| 16:04.57 | heurist | daemonkeeper: IBM who? |
| 16:04.59 | zen_monkey | jhutchins, is there a place to check that half translated text? http://pastebin.com/tDKehVpc |
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| 16:05.22 | heurist | names stick around for a long time. |
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| 16:06.27 | jhutchins | zen_monkey: Where is the text published? |
| 16:06.40 | jhutchins | zen_monkey: Is the original available? Is it in Spanish or English? |
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| 16:06.45 | shay_shay | hallo |
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| 16:08.39 | drwx | hi, i'm playing with some init scripts that were written by various people and i realise that some of these have a start action that returns before the service is actually started; start-stop-daemon's -b is used and running status right after start returns "not running" |
| 16:08.50 | drwx | is that a correct behaviour? |
| 16:08.52 | myselfhere | strange it works under midori ( bandcamp ) but not under iceweasel |
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| 16:10.06 | drwx | i decided to fix these by waiting for the pid file to be written but i'm not sure i should contact the package maintainers; are they doing something bad? |
| 16:11.02 | zen_monkey | jhutchins, you mean wich version of vim is it from? it appears on the situation told before, i'm not sure what handles the translation (show what in x language) |
| 16:11.03 | jhutchins | drwx: You might point it out to them. |
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| 16:11.48 | jhutchins | !es |
| 16:11.48 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 16:11.54 | myselfhere | bandcamp under iceweasel working for you? |
| 16:12.37 | myselfhere | anyone? |
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| 16:13.31 | mtn | myselfhere: you could try renaming .mozilla and see if a clean profile helps |
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| 16:13.59 | jmcnaught | myselfhere: it's probably gnash causing you the trouble. it's not 100% compatible with flash. I can barely get it to work on Youtube, and nothing else works. If it works for you on another distro, it could be simply the other distro has a newer version of gnash. |
| 16:14.34 | zen_monkey | jhutchins, i don't need help in my language, can understand what you say. But i'm not sure what do you mean by where is it published or if the original is available. |
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| 16:15.06 | myselfhere | new gnash works excelent on youtube under parabola gnu/linux-libre - 100% free version or arch |
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| 16:15.36 | myselfhere | i think it could be caused by iceweasel default configuration under about:config |
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| 16:16.04 | myselfhere | as plugins.click_to_play was disabled |
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| 16:16.17 | myselfhere | and for some reason i cant find in about:config |
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| 16:16.26 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell myselfhere -about enter |
| 16:16.29 | myselfhere | media.gstreamer.* |
| 16:16.46 | myselfhere | enter? |
| 16:17.03 | mtn | heh |
| 16:17.57 | myselfhere | meh, accidentally |
| 16:18.14 | myselfhere | you never made any typo? |
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| 16:20.05 | mnep | the package nvidia-drivers disappeared from jessie non-free. I used apt-get autoremove and the drivers were removed. should I wait until they are back in jessie or should I install from backport or sid instead? |
| 16:20.39 | mtn | mnep: which debian are you running? |
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| 16:20.50 | meek_geek | sup |
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| 16:21.02 | iceroot | hi |
| 16:21.22 | mnep | I installed Debian 7.6 yesterday and switched to the testing-repositories |
| 16:22.08 | mtn | mnep: so you are now running testing? if so, you don't use backports. you would install from sid if you don't want to wait |
| 16:22.10 | iceroot | i have a default debian installation (without gui) and i was setting the ip address via /etc/network/interfaces. after a ifup eth0 everything is fine but after a reboot i have to execute ifup eth0 again so that my settings from interfaces are valid. what is the correct way to set a static ip on the cli which will survive a reboot? |
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| 16:23.41 | mnep | mtn: thanks. What do you think how long it will last until they are back in testing? |
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| 16:23.59 | Shadow_7 | iceroot: set it in /etc/network/interfaces --- aka auto lo / auto eth0 plus the iface stuff |
| 16:23.59 | mtn | mnep: sorry, no I don't. |
| 16:24.15 | Walex | iceroot: 'man interfaces' (the 'auto' directive). |
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| 16:24.25 | Shadow_7 | iceroot: the auto basically does the ifup set at boot |
| 16:24.28 | mtn | mnep: don't know, that is |
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| 16:24.58 | mnep | mtm: Too bad. But thanks for your answers |
| 16:25.32 | mnep | mtn: Too bad. But thanks for your answers |
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| 16:27.01 | strawbs | hey, on unstable it's not possible to downgrade a package to an earlier release? |
| 16:27.22 | strawbs | as in package=version, not e.g. mixing stable or something |
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| 16:27.54 | iceroot | Shadow_7: Walex ah great, exactly what i needed, thank you i removed the auto because i thought it is "dhcp" |
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| 16:28.53 | mtn | strawbs: you can always try. remove the "new" one and try to install the "old" one |
| 16:29.13 | strawbs | well, apt just says it cant find the previous version of the package |
| 16:29.39 | strawbs | if i put the current one in, it works |
| 16:30.02 | mtn | strawbs: did you look in your cache? you would use dpkg to install the old one |
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| 16:30.32 | strawbs | apt-cache? |
| 16:30.55 | SynrGy | no, /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 16:31.24 | jere | So I came across this blogpost: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2014/07/16/spotify-migrates-5000-servers-from-debian-to-ubuntu/ |
| 16:31.31 | SynrGy | strawbs: provided you had an older version in that cache that has not been removed with 'apt-cache clean', you may be able to fall back to the old one there. |
| 16:31.42 | strawbs | SynrGy: nah, this is a clean install |
| 16:31.42 | jere | How can I, being an EE, contribute to Debian? |
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| 16:32.08 | strawbs | i was hoping apt-get could install a previous release if i used pkg=1.x, but no joy |
| 16:32.12 | SynrGy | strawbs: a clean install of unstable? by the way, testing/unstable are supported at #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:32.21 | SynrGy | you can only do that if the archive carries it |
| 16:32.25 | strawbs | clean as in, not previously had this package |
| 16:32.30 | SynrGy | and if your apt sources.list points at the archive carrying it. |
| 16:32.47 | SynrGy | one possible source of "previous version" is testing. another is snapshots |
| 16:32.50 | strawbs | yeah |
| 16:32.56 | strawbs | so just unstable is always going to be latest only |
| 16:32.58 | petern_ | jere, anyone can. |
| 16:33.01 | WormFood | I'll be god damned if I can figure out how to make the xsane preview window any smaller. I can make it bigger, but not smaller. It's so god damn big, it won't even fit on my screen, making working with it rather frustrating. Am I missing something? How in the hell do I make this damn preview window smaller? |
| 16:33.02 | SynrGy | !snapshot |
| 16:33.02 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 16:33.14 | SynrGy | strawbs: yes. new versions supercede old ones |
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| 16:33.16 | strawbs | testing has already migrated unfortunately |
| 16:33.22 | strawbs | i'll check out snapshots |
| 16:33.24 | strawbs | thanks |
| 16:33.28 | SynrGy | np |
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| 16:36.40 | WormFood | do any of you guys use xsane? is your preview window freakin' huge? Can you make it smaller? |
| 16:37.19 | Walex | WormFood: you can make it as small as you want |
| 16:37.26 | SynrGy | yes, i suppose it's subjective, and yes |
| 16:37.30 | WormFood | how? |
| 16:37.41 | WormFood | I can only make it bigger. It won't even fit on my screen |
| 16:37.52 | SynrGy | ah |
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| 16:37.56 | SynrGy | how big is your screen? |
| 16:38.04 | WormFood | bigger |
| 16:38.04 | Walex | SynrGy: zoom? DPI? |
| 16:38.16 | SynrGy | ... |
| 16:38.22 | Walex | WormFood: Zoom? DPI? |
| 16:38.44 | SynrGy | what is the output of 'xrandr' (output it at paste.debian.net please) |
| 16:38.46 | WormFood | it's 806x1207....my vertical resolution is only 1080 |
| 16:38.49 | Andymeows | Hello, should there be any concerns with the version of openssl.so included in libruby1.9.1? https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/libruby1.9.1/filelist |
| 16:38.59 | WormFood | I've tried that, and it didn't seem to have any effect on the preview window |
| 16:39.15 | SynrGy | WormFood: that is indeed strange. |
| 16:39.19 | SynrGy | that's much larger than mine |
| 16:39.34 | WormFood | and it WILL NOT let me make it any smaller. I can't figure it out. |
| 16:39.43 | SynrGy | WormFood: on debian stable? |
| 16:39.58 | WormFood | yes |
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| 16:40.25 | SynrGy | ,xsane |
| 16:40.27 | WormFood | now the scan window, that shows what I scanned, I can resize like normal |
| 16:40.28 | SynrGy | ,v xsane |
| 16:40.31 | judd | Package: xsane on i386 -- squeeze: 0.997-2+b1; wheezy: 0.998-3+b1; jessie: 0.998-5+b1; sid: 0.998-5+b1 |
| 16:40.40 | WormFood | but, the preview window is fixed for it's smallest size. |
| 16:40.41 | SynrGy | WormFood: ^^ so this version? 0.998-3+b1? |
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| 16:41.12 | WormFood | Version: 0.998-3+b1 |
| 16:41.14 | SynrGy | WormFood: still waiting to see that xrandr output. something like strange DPI setting or so? |
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| 16:41.52 | WormFood | SynrGy, I missed your request for xrandr |
| 16:42.40 | Walex | SynrGy: WormFood: in some cases I had DPI settings computed by the Xorg server of 33,000 DPI. |
| 16:43.05 | petern_ | $ ruby -ropenssl -e 'puts OpenSSL::OPENSSL_VERSION' |
| 16:43.05 | petern_ | OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 |
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| 16:43.36 | petern_ | Hmm, dunno, did the version string get updated? |
| 16:43.38 | WormFood | http://pastebin.ca/2821819 |
| 16:43.51 | petern_ | Ah, no it didn't. |
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| 16:44.22 | WormFood | that is the pastebin for my xrandr output |
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| 16:44.30 | Andymeows | it looks like the latest patch is from Dec 1st, 2013. http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/r/ruby1.9.1/ruby1.9.1_1.9.3.194-8.1+deb7u2_changelog |
| 16:44.42 | WormFood | SynrGy, that was directed at you, in case you missed it. |
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| 16:46.27 | SynrGy | WormFood: could be confused by your multihead setup? |
| 16:46.35 | SynrGy | WormFood: what if you start with only a single display attached? |
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| 16:47.22 | WormFood | I'm not restarting x11. I can test it on another machine first, before I start playing with my monitors on my main machine |
| 16:47.57 | abrotman | Andymeows: IIRC, there's a #debian-ruby on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:48.17 | SynrGy | WormFood: all i can say is, i've not seen that issue with xsane |
| 16:48.28 | Andymeows | Thanks abrotman |
| 16:48.36 | WormFood | SynrGy, so, you're able to resize the preview window smaller? |
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| 16:48.51 | WormFood | and I don't mean the view window, that pops up after it scans |
| 16:49.06 | SynrGy | WormFood: to the best of my recollection. and in any case, it does not start out taller than the available screen size, which is 1280x1024 where i use it |
| 16:49.12 | SynrGy | (i am not now at that machine to test) |
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| 16:49.52 | WormFood | well, as far as my software is concerned, my resolution is higher than it really is, due to the multi-head setup, so that may explain it. |
| 16:50.04 | WormFood | still, really shitty if they don't let you make it smaller. |
| 16:50.04 | SynrGy | or, hmm, even shorter on one display where i use it: 1280x768 |
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| 16:50.42 | SynrGy | WormFood: i am a long-time xsane user. probably most of the early years, using 1024x768. so i doubt if it's a design limitation |
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| 16:51.31 | SynrGy | WormFood: but if it uses a percentage of your total virtual desktop size, yeah, i can see how that might cause the issue ... |
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| 16:52.07 | WormFood | that is what I'm guessing is going on...I could always grab the source code and see, but I'm not an X11 programmer (I'm more of an embedded and low level programmer) |
| 16:52.08 | edjix | LOL, i switch to a bigger pipe, and now have an IPv^ address, |
| 16:52.11 | SynrGy | WormFood: maybe check upstream. see if they have a bug tracker with this issue? |
| 16:52.20 | SynrGy | WormFood: yes, examining the source may be revealing |
| 16:52.26 | WormFood | I googled and couldn't find anything helpful |
| 16:52.26 | edjix | this oughtta be fun to learn, crash course in IPv6 |
| 16:52.27 | SynrGy | WormFood: or just report it directly upstream |
| 16:52.43 | WormFood | or even file a debian bug report. |
| 16:52.49 | SynrGy | or both. and xref :) |
| 16:53.14 | SynrGy | just thinking of getting you results quickly. the debian devel may not be able to easily reproduce your issue |
| 16:53.15 | WormFood | on a different subject, have you tried tesseract ocr? |
| 16:53.25 | SynrGy | upstream may have a broader pool of help to draw from |
| 16:53.26 | SynrGy | yes. |
| 16:53.31 | SynrGy | i use it regularly. quite nice |
| 16:53.36 | WormFood | works well? |
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| 16:53.41 | SynrGy | it's a part of my book-scanning pipeline for a blind friend |
| 16:53.47 | WormFood | what languages do you use it with? |
| 16:53.49 | SynrGy | yes. it does about a 95% job |
| 16:53.50 | SynrGy | english |
| 16:54.23 | SynrGy | of course, that last 5% takes me a while because i'm super fussy |
| 16:54.27 | WormFood | I need to OCR some Chinese stuff. I've found abbyy fine reader does an awesome job at it, but I'd rather A) not use Windows (or mac), and B) I'd rather use something opensource anyways |
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| 16:54.33 | SynrGy | ahh |
| 16:54.36 | SynrGy | no idea. |
| 16:54.51 | WormFood | I think Abbyy does a better job at Chinese OCR, than it does at English OCR |
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| 16:55.32 | WormFood | at least, it did for me, when I was playing around with it a year or two ago...now a new version of abbyy fine reader is out, and I wanted to see if tesseract would do the job, before I tried something else. |
| 16:55.46 | WormFood | Thanks for your input, and suggestions SynrGy |
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| 16:56.47 | SynrGy | WormFood: np |
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| 17:05.32 | martinus | Hi everyone. Could anyone advise where I should look to start getting to the bottom of what I believe to be a kernel panic? I have dmesg output but it's rather cryptic. |
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| 17:06.19 | martinus | Here's the relavent output: http://pastebin.com/kXy1kSYW |
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| 17:08.20 | JyZyXEL | what kind of HTTP request does apt-get send when it asks for the package list from the repository? |
| 17:09.31 | JyZyXEL | in other words, how can i ask a deb package repository for a list of its packages? |
| 17:09.43 | JyZyXEL | just a random one, not an official one |
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| 17:15.27 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: it's the Packages file ... |
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| 17:16.56 | JyZyXEL | abrotman: so for repository "http://people.connexer.com/~roberto/debian/" it would be "http://people.connexer.com/~roberto/debian/Packages" ? |
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| 17:17.30 | JyZyXEL | gives me Not found |
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| 17:19.54 | WormFood | JyZyXEL, why don't you say what your goal is? That would make it easier for people to help you |
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| 17:20.09 | JyZyXEL | WormFood: i want to see the packages available in the repository |
| 17:20.23 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: so add the repo, apt-get update, go look on your filesystem ? |
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| 17:21.34 | JyZyXEL | but once im finished i also gotta remove it and update yet again |
| 17:21.44 | abrotman | Poor you .. |
| 17:22.26 | JyZyXEL | i would like to just wget the package lists |
| 17:22.51 | abrotman | man sources.list, work out how to browse the repo. I just figured it out in 30 seconds |
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| 17:23.09 | abrotman | There are seven binary amd64 packages. |
| 17:24.11 | JyZyXEL | are there different versions for squeeze and wheezy? |
| 17:24.17 | WormFood | http://people.connexer.com/~roberto/debian/dists/wheezy/Release <-- this may also help you |
| 17:24.47 | abrotman | WormFood: let him fish .. jesus . |
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| 17:26.56 | JyZyXEL | ah there we go! |
| 17:27.08 | JyZyXEL | http://people.connexer.com/~roberto/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 17:27.30 | JyZyXEL | i knew there had to be a way around it |
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| 17:38.48 | aramus | HI there I am having an issue with isc-dhcp-server, for some reason the server is dishing out reserved ips, anyone know why this is? |
| 17:39.33 | SynrGy | an error in your configuration, i guess? |
| 17:40.01 | SynrGy | hard to say, since we haven't seen it. |
| 17:40.35 | SynrGy | i'm vanishing soon, though. but anyone else willing to help would have to see it |
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| 17:58.25 | tesh | تØØ°Ùر |
| 17:58.25 | tesh | warning |
| 17:58.25 | tesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.25 | tesh | do usa&israel use the internet(facebook,youtube,twitter, chat rooms ..ect)to spy?? |
| 17:58.25 | tesh | do usa&israel use the internet 2 collect informations,,can we call that spying?? |
| 17:58.25 | tesh | do they record&analyse everything we do on the internet,,can they harm you using these informations?? |
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| 18:07.33 | martinus | Hi everyone. Could anyone advise where I should look to start getting to the bottom of what I believe to be a kernel panic? I have dmesg output but it's rather cryptic. |
| 18:07.34 | martinus | Here's the relavent output: http://pastebin.com/kXy1kSYW |
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| 18:10.00 | centrx | martinus, Oftentimes it is a hardware issue |
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| 18:10.18 | centrx | even though it does say "BUG" |
| 18:10.53 | martinus | centrx: Thanks, I suspected as much based on a number of google results. I ran a memory check on the RAM which suggested that there's no issue. |
| 18:11.31 | centrx | martinus, Are you able to reproduce the error? |
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| 18:11.59 | martinus | Unfortunately I don't know where to go from there. There is a reference to CPU in the dmesg output but nothing more comprehensive. |
| 18:12.06 | martinus | It seems to occur randomly. |
| 18:12.44 | centrx | martinus, Yeah that must be a hardware issue, like your motherboard or hard disk |
| 18:12.50 | martinus | Server was running for a few days with no issues. |
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| 18:13.01 | centrx | martinus, Especially if you are using amd64/i386 with the stock vanilla kernel |
| 18:13.49 | martinus | using amd64. I'm guessing if it's a hardware issue that it's a defect/damage rather than incompatibility? |
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| 18:14.04 | heurist | martinus: how often is this "random" can you avoid mounting nfs for a while and see if that helps? |
| 18:14.36 | martinus | I've just started messing with nfs, it occurred prior to that. |
| 18:15.05 | martinus | Random is anywhere between once or twice a day and every few days. |
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| 18:15.56 | heurist | martinus: pitty the log output is not helpfull then. Do the logs always refer to umount? Any similatities will help diagnosis. |
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| 18:16.45 | martinus | I'll have to check, I'm not sure. |
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| 18:17.38 | heurist | martinus: when did this start, what did you do just before? Do not say "nothing" (:. |
| 18:19.52 | martinus | The system has just recently been switched back on after a complete rebuild. Previously it was a desktop system, now it's a headless server. It was mostly used for standard desktop stuff and I suspect that the most frequently used programs were iceweasel and whatever media player was stock in gnome. |
| 18:20.14 | martinus | It crashed more frequently as a desktop than it has as a server. |
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| 18:21.23 | heurist | martinus: oh well, then you have a long standing hardware issue, no real chance of us diagnosing it remotely. sorry. |
| 18:21.48 | martinus | Thought so, short of doing part-swapping I guess I'm stuck in the dark. |
| 18:22.02 | martinus | Thanks for the suggestions. :) |
| 18:22.29 | martinus | If only my sheevaplug supported a bunch of SATA drives! :D |
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| 18:42.15 | Eulipion | anyone know how to debug runit? i can start the svc manually via /etc/service/<myapp>/run, but "sv start <myapp>" gives timeout: down, want up |
| 18:43.43 | Falhawk | I've got a xen vm running wheezy and an instance of canvas. I have an rnsapshot of the clean install. What I would like is to extract from that a generic machine from which I can clone other instances or just reset if I want. Anyone have any idea of the dirs I need to copy? Or maybe a black list of dirs to not copy? |
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| 18:56.00 | boblee | gay continues |
| 18:56.46 | centrx | Falhawk, What's wrong with the "clean install" snapshot? You don't need to change anything from that point |
| 18:56.57 | centrx | maybe change hostname or something |
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| 18:57.22 | petern_ | Andymeows, find anything out? |
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| 18:58.26 | Falhawk | every time I do a restore, and reboot the system it has issues with the root file system |
| 18:58.38 | centrx | "issues"? |
| 18:58.54 | Falhawk | fails the checks, makes me log in as root and do a fschk |
| 18:58.58 | Falhawk | fsck |
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| 18:59.16 | petern_ | A restore of what? |
| 18:59.18 | heurist | Falhawk: are you restoring a fs that was not cleanly shut down? |
| 18:59.31 | Falhawk | I don't want to have to do that every time. I figure there is a file I'm copying that I shouldn't |
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| 19:00.04 | heurist | Falhawk: if you take an image of a running system then try booting it you will have some issues, I assume fsck "fixes" it? |
| 19:00.16 | Falhawk | I've blacklisted "/dev/*","/proc/*","/sys/*","/tmp/*","/run/*","/mnt/*","/media/*","/lost+found","/etc/openvpn","/etc/network/interfaces","/etc/hosts","/etc/hostname","/etc/init*"} |
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| 19:00.38 | centrx | Blacklist directories, what does that mean? |
| 19:00.38 | petern_ | How come you need to restore often? |
| 19:00.45 | centrx | Just take an image that isn't of a running filesystem |
| 19:00.46 | Falhawk | or excluded from the rsync on the restore script |
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| 19:01.41 | petern_ | So... are you restoring a filesystem or files on a filesystem? The latter wouldn't need fscking, even if it did something wrong. |
| 19:01.47 | Andymeows | petern_: not yet. I posted in #debian-ruby on irc.oftc.net, but no response yet. My guess is that it's the old vulnerable version |
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| 19:03.44 | Falhawk | I have three unique instances that I want to be able to restore to the basic install with out jacking their network info. I thought excluding the right /etc files was enough, can't figure this boot issue. |
| 19:03.48 | petern_ | Andymeows, you could post to https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/ |
| 19:04.35 | Falhawk | failure in the boot sequence: |
| 19:04.36 | Falhawk | [....] Checking root file system...fsck from util-linux 2.20.1 |
| 19:04.36 | Falhawk | /dev/xvda2 contains a file system with errors, check forced. |
| 19:04.36 | Falhawk | Unattached inode 297191 |
| 19:04.36 | Falhawk | /dev/xvda2: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. |
| 19:04.36 | Falhawk | (i.e., without -a or -p options) |
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| 19:04.46 | Andymeows | petern_: will do. Thank you! |
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| 19:05.28 | toli | since a while I made a small home server with old dualcore PC and I just discovered that I cant play sound. My aplay -l show : ALC880 and lspci 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02).. Is that something to deal with? When I play sound the system says that it is playing, but there is no sound coming our, unmuted alsamixer everything seems to be ok! any workaround? hope someone can hel |
| 19:05.28 | toli | p me on that |
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| 19:08.05 | Falhawk | whoa, my chat delayed. thanks for all the responses |
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| 19:08.33 | toli | :) Falhawk you been kicked |
| 19:08.34 | Falhawk | I think you're right, I did take the snapshot with a running instance |
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| 19:08.45 | Falhawk | oh |
| 19:09.04 | Falhawk | why, so I don't do it again |
| 19:09.10 | Falhawk | too noob? |
| 19:09.15 | toli | Falhawk, use pastebin instead of pasting here |
| 19:09.16 | Falhawk | shazbot |
| 19:09.20 | Falhawk | ohhhh |
| 19:09.22 | Falhawk | right |
| 19:09.24 | Falhawk | thx |
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| 19:09.47 | toli | np |
| 19:09.57 | jmcnaught | actually better to use http://paste.debian.net than pastebin. pastebin sucks |
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| 19:11.36 | toli | centrx, sorry for off, but is a full backup can me made easy with "dd /dev/sda" for ex.? |
| 19:11.55 | OpenTokix | toli: not the optimal way of doing a backup |
| 19:12.06 | Falhawk | cool, will do in the future. thanks for the help! Gonna try with a shutdown snapshot |
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| 19:12.39 | toli | what is the reason ? OpenTokix, as far as I see "dd" takes a full image! |
| 19:12.59 | OpenTokix | toli: yes, but it is very slow, you need to do it when the disk is offline |
| 19:13.03 | heurist | toli: full of an the empty soace too. |
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| 19:13.15 | heurist | s/soace/space/ |
| 19:13.19 | OpenTokix | toli: better to use lvm, and dd varios snapshots, that is much smaller |
| 19:14.23 | toli | Thanks, I will need to take a look at this, as it is important! I was always doing it with "dd" |
| 19:15.06 | OpenTokix | toli: if you do a dd of the physical blockdevice, and something changes during the dd - you journal etc. will be messed up if you try to restore |
| 19:15.23 | OpenTokix | toli: and you should have configuration managment in place, for provisioning |
| 19:15.35 | OpenTokix | toli: and then only backup the stuff you change, data, application settings etc. - not the packages and binaries |
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| 19:16.32 | toli | ah, ok, but for an offline disk it is OK? |
| 19:16.56 | OpenTokix | toli: yes |
| 19:17.12 | OpenTokix | toli: also for restore you need a drive of the same geometry |
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| 19:17.28 | toli | omg, that's bad |
| 19:17.31 | brandywine | ? |
| 19:17.52 | heurist | OpenTokix: toli: nah, just a drive of same or larger capacity. |
| 19:18.10 | OpenTokix | heurist: yes, but thats not elegant ;) |
| 19:18.35 | heurist | no, dd is slow and wasteful as a backup. |
| 19:19.08 | toli | I thought CloneZilla was using dd to restore and take image! |
| 19:19.47 | OpenTokix | toli: dosent make it good |
| 19:19.50 | OpenTokix | Just a way to do it |
| 19:19.54 | Spec | Is there a place to check on the status of a security fix/patch going into security? |
| 19:20.00 | OpenTokix | I used dd for massive mysql backups |
| 19:20.35 | OpenTokix | Spec: you can check what versions is in what version at packages.debian.org |
| 19:20.54 | Spec | a vulnerable version exists, there in "stable" |
| 19:21.01 | Spec | does "stable" reflect security.debian.org packages? |
| 19:21.34 | centrx | Spec, what package? |
| 19:21.39 | Spec | mysql-server-5.5 |
| 19:21.47 | centrx | Spec, stable and stable-security are separated |
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| 19:22.08 | centrx | Spec, Also, even if the version number would be vulnerable, the security patch has most likely been backported to that version in the stable Debian release |
| 19:22.20 | Spec | i checked the changelog, centrx |
| 19:22.32 | Spec | how do you view stable-security packages at packages.debian.org? |
| 19:23.04 | centrx | Spec, Right now they are the same version because there was a just a point release |
| 19:23.28 | centrx | Spec, Every point release, among other things, all the updated packages in the security repository get moved into the main stable repository |
| 19:23.29 | Spec | ah, ok. so how can i check on the status of whether or not the latest patches (released this month by oracle) are in the process of going into security? |
| 19:23.54 | centrx | Spec, There is a security tracker here, though it is not always the most accurate thing: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/mysql-5.5 |
| 19:24.21 | centrx | Spec, What is the vulnerability? |
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| 19:24.44 | Spec | sweet |
| 19:25.01 | Spec | centrx: hmm, it says under the 'Resolved issues' one of the 10, but i didn't see it mentioned in the changelog |
| 19:25.09 | Spec | CVE-2014-4240, for example |
| 19:25.25 | Spec | ah, ok, 5.5 wasn't affected by it, okay. i'll go through all of the CVEs |
| 19:26.03 | petern_ | Unspecified vulnerability < so useful |
| 19:26.11 | Spec | hehe |
| 19:26.14 | petern_ | Shame people are still using MySQL :p |
| 19:26.29 | toli | ah I got it now. dd is a low level byte to byte copy. it means that it writes the full sector bytes? |
| 19:26.30 | Spec | instead of mariadb? |
| 19:26.39 | Spec | or instead of my preferred postgres? :( |
| 19:26.53 | heurist | toli: yes, inluding the "empty" ones. |
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| 19:27.18 | petern_ | Spec, instead of something better, yeah :) |
| 19:27.26 | Spec | petern_: mysql isn't terrible :-/ |
| 19:27.44 | Spec | it just lots a bit of its glory |
| 19:27.48 | Spec | err, lost |
| 19:27.55 | toli | ok, but it is a good to have utility :p at least you can copy data from damaged hdd's. |
| 19:28.19 | toli | what is the alternative way to take full image then? |
| 19:28.46 | toli | that will also work for ntfs partitions! |
| 19:28.49 | petern_ | Spec, compare the amount of CVEs with postgres ;) |
| 19:28.55 | heurist | toli: brilliant utility for what it does, "utility" is the term though it has lots of utility. |
| 19:29.56 | Spec | petern_: that says not much |
| 19:30.11 | heurist | toli: ddrescue is probably better for damaged drives due to clever speed tricks that get the data it can before it labours over the data it can't. |
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| 19:30.13 | Spec | Hmm, so if the security tracker is aware of a vulnerability, is it reasonable to conclude the security team is working on it? |
| 19:31.18 | heurist | Spec: the sec team a human they do their best, but often have to wait for upstream to fix. |
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| 19:31.35 | Spec | heurist: upstream has released patches |
| 19:31.49 | Spec | but yes, i am patient, i just want to know waiting is appropriate course of action, instead of applying patches myself/etc |
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| 19:32.08 | Spec | none of these actually affect me, i'm not in the process of security mysql, i'm in the process of checking boxes. |
| 19:32.09 | heurist | then sec team will evaluate and add them. |
| 19:32.23 | toli | thanks heurist, OpenTokix |
| 19:32.29 | Spec | heurist: thanks |
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| 19:33.22 | heurist | Spec: if you have security concerns you should address them yourself, the sec team may take a while. I try not to use software that keeps having critical bugs though. |
| 19:33.46 | Spec | heurist: yeap. these are not exploitable in their current configuration. |
| 19:34.03 | Spec | heurist: it was a battle to get off oracle, to mysql. i'll keep pushing for pgsql ;) |
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| 19:34.21 | heurist | Spec: yeah, debian versions are not the same as upstream, often we do not suffer like others. |
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| 19:35.18 | heurist | Spec: MySQL is Oracle now, maybe it is TheirSQL now. |
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| 19:36.00 | Spec | of the ten, only 5 are vulnerable and open ;) |
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| 19:36.23 | Spec | heurist: i know, that happened around the time they switched to mysql. i was depressed deep down inside for a day |
| 19:36.31 | Spec | so hard to escape the claws |
| 19:36.36 | heurist | Spec: ouch. |
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| 19:44.58 | davi | Can I install Debian stable i386 on Core i7 (amd64) laptop? |
| 19:45.11 | TheReverend403 | don't see why not |
| 19:45.29 | TheReverend403 | although, why you wouldn't just use the 64 bit version is beyond me |
| 19:45.32 | heurist | davi: yes but amd64 would be better |
| 19:45.42 | brlancer | i386 kernels will run on amd64 |
| 19:45.48 | davi | I tried to boot Ubuntu 14.4 i386 from USB ISO image and failed |
| 19:46.26 | davi | TheReverend403, I need i386 setup to access to the job SSL VPN |
| 19:46.33 | TheReverend403 | what |
| 19:46.41 | abrotman | you can use a VM or chroot for that |
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| 19:47.05 | heurist | davi: dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 19:47.31 | davi | Java i386 did not work properly with the company SSL VPN, if used on amd64 setup. With i386 base Operating System it worked perfectly. |
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| 19:47.45 | davi | heurist, I was using it, but without luck |
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| 19:48.06 | heurist | davi: then use the 32 one, there really is not that much difference. |
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| 19:48.30 | davi | abrotman, I tested it on a i386 VM and it worked. Not tried chroot yet however. |
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| 19:49.09 | davi | heurist, Yes, I am going to try to install Debian from USB ISO i386 image on this amd64 hardware |
| 19:49.21 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:03.11 | Fooman2011 | Hello apache2 seems to be installed on my system but when I try to remove it using apt-get remove apache2 it tells me that it is not installed. Any idea ? |
| 20:03.44 | davi | At Ubuntu (i386) ISO download, we can read "for i386 < 2 GB RAM". |
| 20:03.52 | p14nd4 | Fooman2011: dpkg -l '*apache*' |
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| 20:04.04 | davi | Will Debian i386 detect and work with 8GB of this laptop? |
| 20:04.16 | abrotman | why not? |
| 20:04.18 | Shadow_7 | Fooman2011: has a version number in the name? or installed from sources? |
| 20:04.24 | davi | ack abrotman |
| 20:04.26 | Fooman2011 | not from source |
| 20:04.40 | abrotman | davi: Debian uses the PAE extensions |
| 20:04.46 | Fooman2011 | but i have some version to "<none>" |
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| 20:05.21 | p14nd4 | Fooman2011: did you run my command? |
| 20:05.27 | p14nd4 | (as sudo/root) |
| 20:05.37 | Fooman2011 | yes |
| 20:05.40 | p14nd4 | er, i guess that doesn't need sudo/root |
| 20:05.41 | Fooman2011 | I have a big list |
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| 20:05.48 | Shadow_7 | dpkg-query --load-avail -l '*apache*2*' |
| 20:05.59 | Shadow_7 | dpkg-query --load-avail -l '*apache*2*' | grep "^ii" |
| 20:06.21 | p14nd4 | Fooman2011: Fooman2011 yeah, look (or grep) for the 'ii' ones. or pastebin the whole list |
| 20:06.36 | p14nd4 | but you may have something like apache2-mpm-prefork installed, but not actually the apache2 metapackage |
| 20:06.49 | A|an | From the results of apt-get update, how do you exclude one package from a list of several (i.e., upgrade everything except one particular package)? |
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| 20:06.58 | Shadow_7 | might need to export COLUMNS=200; before it to see long lines, depending on terminal size. |
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| 20:07.33 | Shadow_7 | A|an: put the package on hold |
| 20:07.35 | A|an | Doing apt-get upgrade <list of everything except one package> doesn't work |
| 20:07.47 | A|an | How do you do that? |
| 20:08.02 | jmcnaught | "aptitude search ~i~napache2" is an alternative to that dpkg-query pipeline above |
| 20:08.17 | A|an | (i guess i could goolge that...) |
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| 20:08.31 | A|an | thanks |
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| 20:22.08 | damarusama | hi there, in my ~.fonts folder can I put fonts in folders and subfolder and all the font will be picked up by the system automatically? |
| 20:22.21 | damarusama | recursively |
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| 20:25.36 | dankan | damarusama: maybe yes maybe no |
| 20:25.41 | dankan | damarusama: check it |
| 20:25.54 | joar | for some reason most of my /dev files have only root permissions |
| 20:26.31 | damarusama | heheh I guess so |
| 20:27.12 | joar | Almost all of my /dev nodes have ?rw-rw---- root root permissions: https://gist.github.com/joar/35c4a6084b030b258662 |
| 20:27.39 | damarusama | works |
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| 20:27.55 | dankan | answer without help :) |
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| 20:29.52 | joar | and this is my /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules file: https://gist.github.com/joar/35c4a6084b030b258662#file-gistfile2-txt |
| 20:30.15 | midacts | are you "allowed" to use the Debian non-free repos "for free"? |
| 20:30.26 | nurupo | how popular is Debian GNU/kFreeBSD? |
| 20:30.34 | nurupo | haven't seen a single person using it |
| 20:30.47 | ckuehl | midacts: what do you mean? |
| 20:30.55 | heurist | midacts: yes, it is about licensing, not cost |
| 20:31.01 | dankan | nurupo: in production environment? |
| 20:31.06 | p14nd4 | nurupo: http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 20:31.14 | midacts | im just making sure i can install something from the non-free repos and not get in trouble |
| 20:31.23 | iwilcox | joar: Did you have a specific problem with perms on a specific node? |
| 20:31.24 | nurupo | dankan: just any use, home/production/whatever |
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| 20:31.33 | midacts | or add something from the non-free repos to a script and not have it bite me later |
| 20:31.37 | jmcnaught | midacts: the non-free means not free as in freedom. https://www.debian.org/social_contract checkout the part about Debian Free Software Guidelines |
| 20:31.38 | joar | iwilcox: Yes, urandom |
| 20:32.18 | joar | "PRNG not seeded" for ssh, "Not enough entrophy" for wget on https links |
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| 20:33.34 | strawbs | how safe is start-stop-daemon chrooting? is there anything particularly important for the jail security? |
| 20:33.37 | iwilcox | joar: Is /dev a mount of the appropriate type, or is this a MAKEDEV set of nodes? |
| 20:34.00 | joar | iwilcox: How can I tell? |
| 20:34.13 | iwilcox | joar: Maybe: mount | grep dev |
| 20:35.10 | dankan | strawbs: what you mean 'start-stop-daemon'? |
| 20:35.26 | dankan | strawbs: start using jail for daemons? |
| 20:35.27 | joar | iwilcox: https://gist.github.com/joar/35c4a6084b030b258662#file-gistfile3-txt |
| 20:35.39 | strawbs | yeah using --chroot param |
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| 20:37.07 | iwilcox | joar: wheezy? |
| 20:37.30 | joar | iwilcox: I think so :) |
| 20:37.37 | dankan | strawbs: better way is use grsec + lxc containers |
| 20:37.43 | dankan | strawbs: better way is using grsec + lxc containers |
| 20:37.49 | joar | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ooDzZQ3U |
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| 20:38.02 | dankan | strawbs: for security reasons |
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| 20:38.06 | strawbs | yea or namespaces |
| 20:38.10 | strawbs | more work too tho :p |
| 20:38.38 | iwilcox | joar: Is udev running? |
| 20:38.40 | dankan | strawbs: :) |
| 20:38.56 | strawbs | dankan: :3 i'll have a look |
| 20:39.15 | joar | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/KE5WPEOj |
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| 20:39.37 | joar | sorry, wrong machine. |
| 20:39.39 | dankan | strawbs: maybe kvm? |
| 20:39.52 | joar | iwilcox: no, it isn't |
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| 20:41.31 | iwilcox | joar: I'd begin with working out why udev isn't running, and try to start it; if perms still look inconsistent with that udev rules file, there's a tool I think at this point I might be trying that simulates device adds and shows you what would run; it's slightly tricky to get right though |
| 20:41.39 | joar | iwilcox: https://gist.github.com/joar/35c4a6084b030b258662#file-gistfile4-txt |
| 20:41.55 | iwilcox | joar: *trying that udev toool that |
| 20:42.22 | iwilcox | Hrm. Grammar fail. But you get what I mean. |
| 20:42.49 | joar | I should try that tool if there's still inconsistencies when I get udev to run, right? |
| 20:43.07 | strawbs | dankan: cheers |
| 20:43.20 | joar | Might be worth to do a dist-upgrade on that machine. |
| 20:43.48 | dankan | strawbs: cheers :) |
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| 20:44.07 | iwilcox | joar: Yeah, tool is only useful if udev runs. Machine looks like it uses a squeeze-era kernel. |
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| 20:44.55 | joar | iwilcox: .. just double-checking/confirming that i understood the last, botched part right. |
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| 20:51.27 | newbieAlert | hi. where can i find code for filesystems? |
| 20:52.08 | Shadow_7 | newbieAlert: kernel.org |
| 20:52.38 | newbieAlert | are those code for fs drivers or the fs themselves?? |
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| 20:53.39 | dankan | newbieAlert: driver? |
| 20:54.02 | dankan | newbieAlert: you mean userspace software to manage fs? |
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| 20:54.28 | vexati0n | so ... i have a completely broken multiarch system apparently. my amd64 server believes it is i386 |
| 20:54.35 | vexati0n | does anyone know how to 'reset' multiarch ? |
| 20:54.38 | dankan | newbieAlert: fsck, mkfs, tune2fs...? |
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| 20:55.51 | dankan | newbieAlert: study kernel to determine how fs works:P |
| 20:56.15 | newbieAlert | sorry, i meant modules for kernel ... my doubt is when we format usb to ext2 then what code is used to do what?? as far as i could figure out, those codes are for kernel to support those fs. |
| 20:56.40 | newbieAlert | dankan : :D trying trying.. |
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| 20:57.03 | formorer | newbieAlert: apt-get source e2fsprogs |
| 20:57.26 | dankan | newbieAlert: when you format usb to ext2 you use software to manage FS in ex. mkfs to create filesystem on spec. device |
| 20:57.57 | newbieAlert | dankan: formorer: thank you. |
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| 20:58.28 | newbieAlert | dankan : exactly . i want that code which creates the filesystem. |
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| 20:59.16 | newbieAlert | i have a simple filesystem taken from internet, but whenever i format it on usb stick, usb doesnt get detected at all. |
| 20:59.52 | newbieAlert | git psankar/simplefs is the fs i am uaing for studying purposes. |
| 21:00.11 | joar | iwilcox: thank you very much. It seems that Rackspace forces an old kernel on me since this server is on their old, first-gen infrastructure, but they can change it from their end. |
| 21:00.29 | dankan | newbieAlert: "This is a Work In Progress. Do not use this yet." |
| 21:00.35 | dankan | newbieAlert: :> |
| 21:00.43 | joar | So udev broke because i upgraded, and udev wanted the new kernel, but rackspace only provided the old one. |
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| 21:01.30 | vexati0n | anyone able to explain why my server with amd64 kernel believes i386 is its native architecture? |
| 21:01.31 | dankan | newbieAlert: https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Disk_Layout + http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-anatomy-ext4/ |
| 21:01.46 | newbieAlert | i know. thats why i want to try and learn in the process to make it usable for flash devices. :) |
| 21:01.53 | newbieAlert | thank you dankan. |
| 21:01.57 | newbieAlert | :) |
| 21:02.10 | dankan | newbieAlert: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FegjLbCnoBw this video is recent and GOOD :) |
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| 21:02.29 | newbieAlert | dankan: thankyou |
| 21:02.46 | dankan | newbieAlert: sorry i mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMcVdZk7wV8 |
| 21:03.08 | dankan | newbieAlert: evolution of FS and it's features |
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| 21:04.04 | dankan | newbieAlert: no problem :) |
| 21:04.10 | dankan | newbieAlert: you are welcome |
| 21:04.38 | newbieAlert | dankan: that video or some book you are suggesting. @evolution of fs and features. |
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| 21:05.29 | newbieAlert | dankan: and one more doubt, is fs same for hdd and usb devices?? |
| 21:05.37 | porton | When I start paplay command from my personal crontab it does not work. Should I set some environment variable? |
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| 21:08.33 | dankan | newbieAlert: USB in most casess are used to storage files for transportation so don't need extra features like journaling snapshots etc. |
| 21:08.37 | iwilcox | joar: Mystery solved :D |
| 21:08.59 | newbieAlert | dankan: e2fsprog contains too many files. which are the files related to fs?? |
| 21:09.07 | porton | $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR |
| 21:09.09 | dankan | newbieAlert: w8 |
| 21:09.50 | dankan | newbieAlert: how about your C programming? |
| 21:09.52 | newbieAlert | got it ext2ed |
| 21:10.01 | newbieAlert | its okay. |
| 21:10.42 | dankan | newbieAlert: lib/ext2fs |
| 21:10.59 | dankan | newbieAlert: The core of ext2 fs :P |
| 21:11.32 | newbieAlert | dankan: thank you. you have been of so much help to me :) :) |
| 21:12.55 | dankan | newbieAlert: I'm glad that i may help you |
| 21:13.41 | newbieAlert | dankan: in that case, if you are not going anywhere, i ll jmp right back here with lots of other doubts ;) |
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| 21:17.27 | {xmb} | how can i start a late init, like boot with init=/bin/bash and /sbin/init & from there |
| 21:18.57 | iwilcox | {xmb}: You can replace the shell with the proper init, but init insists on having pid 1 so you can't use & (even if it didn't, there's no job control on the console) |
| 21:19.32 | iwilcox | So, "exec /sbin/init" will usually continue the boot as normal from an init=/bin/bash boot. |
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| 21:20.37 | iwilcox | I guess you could "exec /sbin/init S" if you just wanted to progress as far as single user mode. |
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| 21:22.05 | nell | I have debian wheezy right now |
| 21:22.08 | nell | but i want testing packages |
| 21:22.12 | nell | so i just change my sources? |
| 21:22.15 | nell | and it just werkz? |
| 21:22.43 | zykotick9 | !tell nell about testing |
| 21:23.19 | zykotick9 | !tell nell about frankendebian |
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| 21:23.50 | mtn | is that a new cool word: werkz? |
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| 21:24.50 | nell | oh |
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| 21:29.55 | amanita | Hi all. Got a problem. After update my X or video driver broke(idk exactly). After struggling and purging nvidia driver I managed to startx with nouveau, but resolution is wrong and i cannot install nvidia drivers now too. jessie 3.14(was 3.2) |
| 21:30.50 | zykotick9 | amanita: i hear nvidia-propritary is broken in sid (perhaps testing as well?) you might want to ask in #debian-next on OFTC |
| 21:31.32 | amanita | zykotick9, k thanks |
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| 21:32.26 | amanita | zykotick9, that channel is invite only |
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| 21:32.56 | Amarande | hrm, so apparently in lm-sensors on debian, I get 2 temperature sensors other than my cpu cores |
| 21:33.07 | Amarande | one is "physical id 0" under cpu, and the other is "thermal zone 0" under acpi |
| 21:33.27 | Amarande | am I guessing right that the first one is CPU uncore temp and the second one is mobo/PCH temp? |
| 21:33.37 | mtn | Amarande: you need to be on the correct server. oftc, not freenode |
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| 21:33.50 | mtn | Amarande: sorry, was meant for amanita |
| 21:33.51 | and0r | it would also probably help if you actually told us what CPU you have |
| 21:34.04 | amanita | mtn, oh sry got it |
| 21:34.29 | Amarande | and0r: xeon e3-1240v3 |
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| 21:52.36 | nAn00k | hey toli |
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| 21:57.14 | fommil | hi all, I would like to rebind the aptitude C-t keybinding to something else. But the manual doesn't like it as an option (or I can't see it) http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s05s02.html |
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| 22:03.35 | trampel | what is a legitimate use for PXE(boot) these days?? i've got to go diagnose a wedged linux box because the PXE boot can't find a DHCP server [obscenities truncated at 140 chars...] |
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| 22:06.10 | toli | trampel, what is your dhcp server box? |
| 22:06.27 | dp | Spec: you around? |
| 22:06.41 | heurist | trampel: PXE would not be looking for dhcp if it was not trying to boot from network. |
| 22:07.16 | heurist | trampel: if you do not need network boot then disable the option, but it sounds like your expected boot procedure failed. |
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| 22:10.17 | trampel | -i- don't need the network boot. but this box has been set by quasi-IT types long gone (probably a postdoc) to require a PXEboot. i was just wondering what "valid" use there is for a PXE boot these days. some sort of 'license server' perhaps? |
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| 22:11.05 | heurist | trampel: I do most of of my installs from PXE, saves on media. |
| 22:11.44 | trampel | ok ok... thank you. that's useful to know... harddrives (used to) cost a lot... |
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| 22:12.29 | trampel | it just strikes me that it was somesort of supervisor bigbrother-y odd-ball security logic ...maybe |
| 22:12.46 | heurist | trampel: yeah, not much use for permanent network booting these days, except with really small embeded stuff or test and recovery. |
| 22:13.02 | toli | trampel, I use my server to boot from pxe |
| 22:13.22 | heurist | trampel: I am not sure what licensing or security would have to do with it. |
| 22:13.37 | duggles | i've used PXE as the way of installing the OS for nodes in a cluster, saves on a fair amount of hassle |
| 22:13.39 | toli | trampel, all my necessary config files are on my nas |
| 22:13.41 | trampel | heurist: nor i. i was just trying to guess why it was installed in the first place. |
| 22:14.12 | heurist | trampel: without seeing the setup there is not much we can say. |
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| 22:14.37 | toli | most of the companies which are cloning the computers are booting from the net |
| 22:14.44 | trampel | we're talking circa 1999 and there were laboratory machines involved. i'm thinking someone had an ancient "terminal" mentality |
| 22:15.28 | heurist | trampel: or *reliable* drives where expensive? |
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| 22:17.39 | trampel | this is interesting. thank you all. there would be no case for replicating cluster nodes, or embedded, sorts of development for my case. i'm probably looking at some remote lab equipment monitoring |
| 22:17.41 | toli | heurist, the need of netboot is more interested when you don't want to manage all the computers separately... All the OSes are the same |
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| 22:18.46 | toli | ops heurist, sorry it was for trampel |
| 22:18.59 | heurist | toli: nfs home directories are another solution to that, but I do have netboot systems as well. |
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| 22:19.26 | trampel | oh there are nfs mounted directories involved in my situation in addition to the PXE problems |
| 22:20.03 | trampel | my current guess is the university changed all the subnet numbering (hey after 15 years, why not?) and that borked over some ancient PXE config file |
| 22:20.19 | heurist | trampel: we assumed that, netboot then mount local drive is kinda weird as a long-term setup. |
| 22:21.45 | heurist | trampel: that is one big advantage of having machines able to boot a minimal system then mount the nfs themselves, less reliance on infrastructure. |
| 22:21.50 | trampel | actually just knowing that some of you young geniuses (princes of maine) have *heard* of a PXE set-up makes me less concerned |
| 22:22.23 | heurist | trampel: bit presumtuous. |
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| 22:22.40 | trampel | i was afraid all PXE knowledge had gone with SGI |
| 22:22.55 | trampel | and Alphas |
| 22:22.56 | heurist | trampel: PXE is the new kid, I still remember bootp |
| 22:23.24 | trampel | yes i recall bootp (tftp) too |
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| 22:23.47 | heurist | trampel: actuall I lie, thinking about I do not really remeber bootp /scratchhead... |
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| 22:24.06 | trampel | ("smart" graphics terminals...) |
| 22:24.13 | heurist | trampel: I just remember that I did remember bootp at one time... |
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| 22:25.52 | trampel | i was witness to some of what duggles was referring to, involving a parallel Gentoo build; over about 64 nodes. it was fun to watch the quasi-synchronized blinky lights... |
| 22:26.14 | duggles | recoils |
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| 22:27.22 | duggles | did all of those have to be configured by hand or was there some sort of template (a la kickstart/debian automated instal) used? |
| 22:28.07 | trampel | but somehow i think that was other than PXE... mayve just been Etherboot... ah how the mind doth decay... |
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| 22:29.24 | trampel | duggles: we'd have to wake up that IT master Uwe who's probably still drinking beer over the worldcup win. but i believe Gentoo (egad i shouldn't be talking about that -here-) has lots of automation config options |
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| 22:34.12 | Viderizer | i am very confused with the debian's alternative system |
| 22:34.57 | Viderizer | if I set editor to eg. vim |
| 22:35.25 | Viderizer | how do programs know to run /usr/bin/editor, not $EDITOR |
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| 22:36.26 | toli | what is the trick to mount all the /etc folder from NFS when your fstab is in /etc. |
| 22:36.45 | heurist | Viderizer: they are configured that way, if $EDITOR is not set they try the next option which might be editor or sensible-editor or something. |
| 22:36.50 | trampel | Viderizer: what is /usr/bin/editor symbolic linked to? |
| 22:36.59 | toli | perhaps the location of fstab should be else where |
| 22:37.02 | toli | ? |
| 22:37.06 | heurist | toli: initramfs |
| 22:37.20 | iwilcox | toli: /etc isn't really very well suited to being NFS-mounted |
| 22:37.21 | Viderizer | trampel: it works for me, I'm just interested in /how/ it works |
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| 22:37.57 | toli | iwilcox, if you want to all your system to be writable? |
| 22:38.02 | trampel | Viderizer: me too. but i believe you'll find they're all a bunch of links to whatever you chose to be your default |
| 22:38.04 | toli | thx, heurist |
| 22:38.23 | trampel | Viderizer: probably links to links to... |
| 22:39.00 | Viderizer | trampel, I set editor to /usr/bin/vim |
| 22:39.32 | Viderizer | which is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/vim -> /usr/bin/vim.basic |
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| 22:40.02 | trampel | Viderizer: and /usr/bin/editor is likely a link to /etc/alteratives/<something> |
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| 22:40.16 | Viderizer | heurist: so it just checks $EDITOR -> sensible-editor -> editor |
| 22:40.30 | trampel | Viderizer: which eventually points to /usr/bin/vim... |
| 22:40.47 | Viderizer | trampel: yeah /etc/alternatives/vim -> /usr/bin/vim |
| 22:40.54 | Viderizer | ---.basic |
| 22:40.57 | trampel | now whether this has been all standardized (under systemd).... ? |
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| 22:41.08 | Viderizer | oh wait no, only vim |
| 22:41.31 | heurist | Viderizer: or some such combination, you would have to check the build paramters and config files for all software you care about. |
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| 22:42.07 | Viderizer | heurist: for me every program I needed it for (crontab) has checked them for default :D |
| 22:42.09 | heurist | Viderizer: there are LOTS of alternatives to configure not just editor. |
| 22:42.37 | daifuco | hello since I got a girlfriend I feel I need more logic in my life so I want to learn coding , what is the way to install python in debian? i am using testing |
| 22:42.40 | heurist | Viderizer: it works pretty well for most software on Debian. |
| 22:42.49 | Viderizer | daifuco: sudo apt-get install python3 |
| 22:43.14 | daifuco | thanks vider |
| 22:43.27 | heurist | daifuco: python2 is probably there already, try typing python at the terminal. |
| 22:43.39 | trampel | with "since I got a girlfriend" i'm outta here... thank you folks! |
| 22:44.02 | daifuco | mmm ill see although the two books i have been looking at ask for installing python3 |
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| 22:44.13 | Viderizer | heurist: I love things that just work by default <3 |
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| 22:44.43 | heurist | daifuco: then get 3 as above, and enjoy. |
| 22:45.44 | daifuco | oh yeah debian testing comes with python 2.7.7 ... if i install python3... will not I get in in trouble? |
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| 22:46.14 | heurist | daifuco: no it will be called python3 and both will work. |
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| 22:47.08 | heurist | daifuco: I suggest you keep python (default) as python2 and do not try to set python3 as the default for the system, that may break things that still expect python2. |
| 22:47.09 | hackedbellini | hi guys, |
| 22:47.11 | daifuco | oh thanks, really the python debian page is super extensive but not really oriented to new users, even the faqs are kinda obscure |
| 22:47.11 | hackedbellini | the xserver1.16 migration just hit testing and it broke nvidia proprietary graphics driver on my wife's pc. I set it to use nouveau, but because of that she can't play her steam games atm. Is there any workaround I can do atm as no xserver-xorg-nvidia from unstable/experimental (the testing one was removed today) can be installed together with the new xserver version |
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| 22:48.21 | heurist | hackedbellini: nvidia is broke in sid too, the price of not running stable. |
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| 22:49.22 | hackedbellini | heurist: yes, I noticed that too :(. But is there any workaround I can try? |
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| 22:50.09 | Walex | hackedbellini: you created yourself a problem or two. Perhaps you can create yourself a different problem by using 7/Wheezy plus SteamOS packages. |
| 22:50.24 | heurist | hackedbellini: nothing simple, it is expected that if you run testing you are able to do some pretty complex fu. |
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| 22:51.20 | Walex | hackedbellini: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/14-one.html#140317 |
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| 22:52.13 | hackedbellini | well, I usually am able to fix things if something breaks. I'm actually thinking in downgrading the xserver packages by hand. Since I can't use apt preferences setting priority to 1001 because the packages already moved to testing, I have to manually download and install all the debs by hand. I was looking at a way to avoid that =P |
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| 22:52.50 | Walex | hackedbellini: use 'aptitude' with options set opportuntely so you can pick and choose the versuions you want |
| 22:53.14 | Amarande | hmm |
| 22:53.18 | Walex | hackedbellini: anyhow with suitably subtle pinning configs you can do it also in 'apt-get' |
| 22:53.19 | Amarande | I'm using nvidia on testing and haven't had an issue |
| 22:53.34 | heurist | hackedbellini: that is pretty much what I was trying not to have to have to teach you how to do, but try using aptitude and selection the version you want, then have some dependancy fun! |
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| 22:53.53 | heurist | Amarande: don't update! |
| 22:54.37 | hackedbellini | heurist: hahaha I'll try to play with aptitude a little =P |
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| 22:54.39 | hackedbellini | I don't mind getting a bit technical sometimes... actually I enjoy it, I always end up learning something fun =P |
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| 22:54.54 | Amarande | heurist: hmm, this one is really interesting |
| 22:55.06 | Amarande | when I looked at what apt-get upgrade would do vs. aptitude upgrade |
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| 22:55.41 | Amarande | apparently, apt-get says all the xserver-xorg-video-* packages will be kept back, along with a few other xserver related ones (and google chrome for some reason) |
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| 22:55.53 | hackedbellini | Amarande: probably you can apt-get upgrade, but apt-get dist-upgrade will migrate xserver and remove nvidia driver =P |
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| 22:56.18 | oxez | Amarande: same here.. it will work when nvidia-driver gets updated. But dist-upgrade and pressing YES will break your graphics |
| 22:56.19 | Amarande | neither says anything about a dependency conflict |
| 22:56.51 | Amarande | aptitude, however, doesn't even say stuff will be kept back |
| 22:56.52 | Amarande | *weird*. |
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| 22:57.07 | oxez | Amarande: aptitude dist-upgrade, read the messages, it tells you :) |
| 22:57.29 | Amarande | ah, regular upgrade will presumably refuse to touch the conflicting packages, I'm guessing |
| 22:58.01 | Amarande | this is where it sucks to own a 700-series card, I suppose |
| 22:58.30 | Amarande | for stable, to use the 700 series you *have to* use backports, which I'm sure will also be fun when people try to move to testing |
| 22:58.39 | Amarande | er, to jessie when it becomes stable |
| 22:58.54 | Amarande | since, don't you kind of have to back out all your bpo packages to dist-upgrade sanely? |
| 22:59.57 | heurist | Amarande: upgrades are always dodgey, especially if you messed with sources. |
| 23:00.27 | Amarande | heurist: that's what I mean, you basically have to run jessie to not strain things when using a 700 series nvidia card |
| 23:00.32 | Amarande | because the stable driver versions are too ancient |
| 23:00.59 | Amarande | (which is weird in a way ... both the 680 and 770 are GK104, but apparently the fact that a driver version can use the 680 doesn't mean it can necessarily use the 770) |
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| 23:01.26 | heurist | Amarande: stable and bpo is a safer option, no? |
| 23:02.01 | Amarande | heurist: considered it, but meh, jessie's getting pretty close to stable-freeze status anyway, just a few more months |
| 23:02.05 | Amarande | might as well keep using it now |
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| 23:02.20 | Amarande | especially since it's not just nvidia drivers, some other stuff in wheezy is kind of wheezy too, like cups |
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| 23:03.00 | Amarande | networked laser printers are unbearably slow with the version of cups in stable, apparently the blame is on ghostscript ... the version in jessie either doesn't use gs at all or it handles things significantly different :) |
| 23:03.31 | heurist | Amarande: yep, but then you get these breakages, depends what you need from a system. |
| 23:03.33 | Amarande | oxez: is it debian's part of nvidia-driver that needs updating btw, or are we waiting on nvidia themselves? |
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| 23:04.13 | heurist | Amarande: always waiting for nvidia... ... |
| 23:04.14 | oxez | Amarande: latest nvidia driver supports xorg 1.16 |
| 23:04.40 | Amarande | oxez: ah, we're waiting on the package maintainer for debian then |
| 23:04.42 | hackedbellini | heurist: I'm playing with aptitude a little here, but can't see how to force a downgrade to a version that was replaced on the dist. |
| 23:04.47 | oxez | Amarande: yup |
| 23:05.15 | heurist | hackedbellini: you got wheezy in your sources? |
| 23:05.26 | Amarande | what's interesting is that apparently xserver-common can be upgraded without upgrading the xserver-xorg-video-* modules |
| 23:05.46 | hackedbellini | heurist: not wheezy, just testing, unstable and experimental. With priorities of 900, 500 and 100 respectively |
| 23:05.48 | oxez | Amarande: https://packages.debian.org/sid/all/xserver-common/filelist |
| 23:05.54 | oxez | Amarande: this might be why =P |
| 23:05.58 | Amarande | so claim both apt-get and aptitude (apt-get explicitly says they will be held back, while aptitude does not include them in the "to be upgraded" list) |
| 23:06.05 | heurist | hackedbellini: nvidia is not in any of those. |
| 23:06.25 | hackedbellini | heurist: yes I know... but downgrading to wheezy would be downgrading too much, right? |
| 23:06.33 | Amarande | hm, what's the critical package to be careful with, then |
| 23:06.37 | heurist | hackedbellini: probably. |
| 23:06.37 | Amarande | xserver-xorg-core I'm guessing? |
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| 23:07.19 | oxez | Amarande: Most likely.. I'm running a self-patched version of this package so I have to be an extra-step careful when updating haha |
| 23:07.32 | Amarande | pity fglrx is so picky about kernel versions, or I'd consider just putting my HD 7850 back in |
| 23:07.43 | hackedbellini | heurist: hrm, I'll probably try to downgrade all the xserver-*, getting the debs from the snapshot archive. |
| 23:07.52 | Amarande | but my experience with amd cards on debian is that if the kernel version isn't just so, the amd driver is prone to extreme bugginess |
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| 23:08.06 | heurist | hackedbellini: Amarande: prehaps this is better taken to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:08.10 | Amarande | up to and including things like full-monty kernel panic as soon as you do something innocent like, log out or close X |
| 23:08.26 | hackedbellini | heurist: going there |
| 23:08.36 | heurist | waves |
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| 23:21.09 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I add a subinterface to my debian server? |
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| 23:25.28 | TJ- | Jeeves_Moss: see https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface |
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| 23:48.43 | innmalint | haven't found a satisfactory answer to this yet; does anyone else have issues toggling mute? I'm using xfce if it matters |
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| 23:52.51 | somiaj | innmalint: what are you using to toggle mute? |
| 23:54.05 | innmalint | I'm using a thinkpad laptop, it has a mute toggle that "works" except the Speaker channel in alsamixer remains muted until I toggle it manually |
| 23:54.23 | somiaj | sounds more like issues with reconizign the keybidning needeed |
| 23:55.11 | innmalint | the xfce4 notification shows a small [x] when I toggle it, and recognizes when it's on/off. it appears to be the Speaker channel getting stuck, as it toggles the Master |
| 23:55.36 | somiaj | I would maybe ask xfce people they may understand what xfce could be doing |
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| 23:56.13 | innmalint | Understandable. Do you know if it would be worthwhile looking into OSS as a replacement for ALSA? |
| 23:56.21 | somiaj | but if it is actually software toggle something is running when you hit the mute keybinding |
| 23:56.35 | somiaj | no, this is more what is happenening when your keybinding is toggleed |
| 23:56.38 | heurist | innmalint: not oss, try pulseaudio rather. |
| 23:57.25 | innmalint | I'm on pulse -- I'm having a difficult time finding the keybinding but I appreciate it |
| 23:58.03 | heurist | innmalint: if you are trying to mix pulse and alsa you will have strange results. |
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| 23:58.38 | innmalint | it's a standard install, haven't modified anything. I could be mistaking names |
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