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| 00:09.25 | hackedbellini | heurist: here was my solution to the problem: http://hackedbellini.org/linux/downgrade-and-force-some-packages-on-debian-to-a-previous-version/ |
| 00:09.27 | hackedbellini | if anyone comes here with the same problem, and if you consider my solution good, you can recommend it =P |
| 00:09.42 | abrotman | no, we can't |
| 00:09.53 | heurist | hackedbellini: will take a look, thanks. |
| 00:09.57 | abrotman | It's not supported, it's not really recommended |
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| 00:13.17 | Amarande | abrotman: technically, the whole usecase for which this came up in this particular case was "not supported" in the eyes of debian purists anyway |
| 00:13.31 | Amarande | because it centred entirely around a non-free GPU blob |
| 00:13.34 | abrotman | It's not about purists or not ... |
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| 00:13.45 | abrotman | It's not supported, it's not intended to happen |
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| 00:13.58 | abrotman | The entire action is undefined |
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| 00:15.29 | Amarande | abrotman: you mean there's actually technically a bug in apt, then? |
| 00:15.40 | abrotman | it's not a bug |
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| 00:16.20 | Amarande | then the fact that pinning policy overrides "latest version" is specifically established as the correct behaviour of apt, then |
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| 00:22.03 | scape_ | so I need help with fglrx and my card. it's been a pain since I first installed debian. I had it going great finally but recently changed monitors and somehow broke things. |
| 00:22.14 | Amarande | abrotman: unless I've understood pinning wrong, the purpose of pinning a package is to override the default version choice, no? |
| 00:22.30 | Amarande | and the default version choice is generally the latest version for any given package ... so if you were happy with that you would never need to use pinning |
| 00:22.35 | scape_ | i ended up purging fglrx and tried reinstalling things but end up without a DE |
| 00:22.42 | Amarande | which seems to me means that that's the only *point* of pinning, is to force an earlier version to stick around |
| 00:23.23 | Amarande | scape_: X doesn't come up, or your DE was uninstalled altogether? |
| 00:23.48 | scape_ | x doesnt come up |
| 00:24.18 | abrotman | Amarande: the downgrade .. not the pinning .. |
| 00:24.22 | scape_ | finally removed all traces of fglrx and it does not, but the driver is terrible |
| 00:24.27 | scape_ | one min |
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| 00:25.10 | scape_ | https://www.refheap.com/88255 |
| 00:25.21 | scape_ | DE comes up now, but it's on some barebones driver |
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| 00:25.31 | scape_ | trying to reinstall fglrx results in that printout |
| 00:25.47 | Amarande | is that jessie or wheezy? |
| 00:25.51 | scape_ | jessie |
| 00:25.57 | Amarande | scape_: bad news atm |
| 00:26.02 | scape_ | i was worried! |
| 00:26.07 | scape_ | saw a report :-\ |
| 00:26.11 | Amarande | none of the proprietary video drivers work right now if you have the latest version of x |
| 00:26.17 | scape_ | doh |
| 00:26.31 | Amarande | and uninstalling fglrx probably made apt see the version conflict go away so it went ahead and installed xserver 1.16 |
| 00:26.39 | scape_ | dang |
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| 00:27.04 | scape_ | should i just wait it out? how long has this been like this? |
| 00:27.09 | Amarande | atm I haven't heard of any good workaround other than the one that hackedbellini used earlier, but it's officially not supported |
| 00:27.19 | Amarande | apparently it just happened today, thank the gods :S |
| 00:27.33 | scape_ | ok |
| 00:27.37 | scape_ | thanks |
| 00:27.47 | scape_ | i guess ill do text editing today :D |
| 00:27.49 | Amarande | (just installed jessie last night, if I'd waited till today I would be stuck with nouveau, which for some reason liked to give me a horridly low resolution by default on my GPU) |
| 00:28.08 | Amarande | by 'officially not supported' I mean it works, but abrotman says that's not how apt is supposed to actually work |
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| 00:28.33 | scape_ | i read roll it back and pin it, but i don't want to mess with all of that |
| 00:28.40 | scape_ | i wonder how long this will last |
| 00:28.53 | Amarande | apparently until the debian package maintainer for fglrx repackages the driver |
| 00:29.04 | Amarande | assuming the driver has proper 1.16 support, which I'm not sure about for amd |
| 00:29.13 | scape_ | gotcha |
| 00:29.20 | Amarande | (nvidia does, it's just that version hasn't entered the repo yet) |
| 00:29.30 | abrotman | Did Xorg updates in Jessie break nvidia binary crap? |
| 00:29.50 | Amarande | abrotman: apparently, because you need a newer nvidia binary driver for 1.16 xserver |
| 00:29.59 | Amarande | which nvidia has addressed, but the package maintainer for debian has yet to |
| 00:30.38 | Amarande | and hey, at least the nvidia binary driver seems to be pretty stable |
| 00:31.04 | Amarande | not like the amd one where it seems to have fits unless it has just the right kernel version (which sadly usually isn't the one in debian, so you get to see fglrx's worst side a lot) |
| 00:31.07 | scape_ | theyre good about that |
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| 00:31.23 | abrotman | hugs Intel |
| 00:31.30 | Viderizer | how bad is the nouveau compared to the closed ones by nvidia |
| 00:31.50 | Amarande | last time I used an amd graphics card with debian and needed the blob, I would find that something as simple as trying to log out of my desktop session would cause a full monty kernel panic |
| 00:32.00 | Amarande | and that was on freaking STABLE at the time, too |
| 00:32.23 | Amarande | Viderizer: depends on how new your nvidia card is and what functionality you expect |
| 00:32.24 | zinx | Viderizer: almost unusable |
| 00:32.26 | scape_ | i jumped to jessie just for this card lol |
| 00:32.47 | abrotman | zinx: that's not true .. |
| 00:32.48 | Amarande | Viderizer: apparently the basic 3d nuts and bolts are there in nouveau for everything except maxwell (750/750Ti) but some other supporting stuff is not |
| 00:32.57 | zinx | abrotman: has been with ever card i've tried it with. |
| 00:33.01 | zinx | s/ever/every/ |
| 00:33.07 | Viderizer | well, that is kind of sad to hear :( |
| 00:33.08 | Amarande | in particular, nouveau doesn't know how to handle the card's power management features in most newer cards |
| 00:33.15 | Amarande | which means you're stuck at the base idle clock even under load, mainly |
| 00:33.19 | abrotman | zinx: unusable for what? 3D gaming? or basic 2D stuff? |
| 00:33.31 | abrotman | as Amarande alluded to.. what are you expectations? |
| 00:33.34 | zinx | abrotman: basic 2d stuff was unstable. |
| 00:33.36 | Amarande | but that's pretty terrible ... read that someone's GTX 560 basically functioned about as well as an Intel integrated GPU |
| 00:33.40 | Viderizer | but wasn't nvidia helping with neoveau some way |
| 00:33.41 | abrotman | maybe if nVidia would actually fucking help instead of being assholes |
| 00:33.51 | scape_ | Amarande: thought they fixed that |
| 00:33.53 | abrotman | Go buy Intel or AMD |
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| 00:34.44 | Viderizer | do radeons have good open source drivers? |
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| 00:35.00 | jmcnaught | Or use Debian Stable if you don't like stuff breaking like this :) |
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| 00:35.11 | Amarande | Viderizer: pretty good but apparently you still need a non-free firmware blob (kinda like many wifi cards) for most of the newer ones |
| 00:35.23 | Amarande | otherwise you don't get 3D |
| 00:36.10 | Viderizer | well, better than nothing |
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| 00:39.08 | Amarande | abrotman: anyway, when pinning would result in a downgrade, what *is* the spec behaviour for apt, anyway? |
| 00:39.20 | abrotman | there isn't one .. that's the point |
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| 00:39.28 | Amarande | is it supposed to properly ignore the downgrade, or is that case not specified for at all? |
| 00:39.34 | abrotman | doesn't understand why "downgrade not supported" is so hard to grasp |
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| 00:39.48 | Amarande | to me it seems that downgrade is probably the best way to handle it |
| 00:39.57 | Amarande | I mean think about it, say we're developing testing or sid |
| 00:40.18 | Amarande | we upgrade package XYZ from, oh, say, 1.5.19 to 1.6.0, which turns out to be an absolute catastrophic disaster |
| 00:40.29 | Amarande | it should be viable to reissue a new package that goes back to 1.5.19 |
| 00:40.35 | abrotman | Right .. apparently it is hard to grasp ... |
| 00:40.37 | Amarande | but that would *require* the pin-allows-downgrade behaviour to be sanctioned |
| 00:40.56 | Amarande | as it is, it seems like the "correct" situation there is to either fix 1.6.0 if possible or hope 1.6.1 comes out sometime soon |
| 00:41.04 | Amarande | which seems a little ... limiting |
| 00:41.16 | abrotman | go use another distro |
| 00:41.32 | Amarande | abrotman: what *do* package maintainers do in that case, btw? |
| 00:41.45 | Amarande | assuming worst case, that the new version isn't readily reparable |
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| 00:42.04 | abrotman | Amarande: It's not supported, why is this hard to understand? |
| 00:42.21 | abrotman | It might work, it might not, no one knows, it's not tested, not supported ... |
| 00:43.30 | oxez | Amarande: you might want to look at Gentoo (or derivates), they offer you multiple versions of a package to install |
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| 01:03.08 | Viderizer | what the hell |
| 01:03.10 | Viderizer | http://valssi.fixme.fi/~viderizer/scr/2014-07-17-04-02-31.png |
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| 01:18.14 | TyrfingMjolnir | What is the right channel for asking about booting a system? |
| 01:18.27 | TyrfingMjolnir | At the level of OS independency? |
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| 01:19.20 | abrotman | You want to know about the hardware? |
| 01:19.38 | helena | abrotman: jelly |
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| 02:09.25 | hackish | Is there a way to get a package for lenny to install that is listed only for wheezy? |
| 02:11.27 | some-cowbell | hackish, you're running lenny? you could try backporting. you could also try upgrading. any reason why you're not? |
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| 02:11.55 | hackish | work has a compile machine setup and they say the build environment runs only in lenny. |
| 02:12.24 | dvs | even squeeze would be a better choice.. |
| 02:12.51 | some-cowbell | how big is the thing it builds? |
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| 02:13.15 | heurist | hackish: maybe try fixing the build env to work in wheezy? |
| 02:13.20 | hackish | I think it's about a gig of source. |
| 02:13.25 | hackish | Takes about 4h to compile |
| 02:13.55 | hackish | I wouldn't mind fixing the build environment but it's a mess. |
| 02:14.04 | some-cowbell | wow, that's big |
| 02:14.12 | heurist | hackish: then don't fiddle with it. |
| 02:14.25 | abrotman | hackish: why in the world are you using lenny? |
| 02:14.32 | hackish | exactly why I installed lenny on a virtualbox |
| 02:14.45 | abrotman | fears what production runs ... |
| 02:14.53 | dvs | bo |
| 02:15.10 | hackish | It sucks but it's for an embedded device and if I break it my ass is grass |
| 02:15.19 | abrotman | vacation? |
| 02:15.26 | abrotman | Playing OF for the Mets? |
| 02:15.44 | hackish | I'm afraid to even upgrade the compiler ;( God knows what would happen if I moved from 32 bit to 64 bit |
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| 02:16.26 | some-cowbell | hackish, if I were really curious, I'd set up a separate machine for that... |
| 02:16.48 | abrotman | would probably get a new job |
| 02:17.02 | some-cowbell | what's involved in duplicating the build machine? |
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| 02:17.34 | hackish | It's a massive list of things to install and then checkout a massive amount of source via svn |
| 02:17.35 | abrotman | Could we solve one problem at a time? |
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| 02:17.45 | abrotman | hackish: what packages are you trying to backport? |
| 02:18.02 | hackish | I'm trying to get l2tp to work so I can tunnel into the office and access the SVN server |
| 02:18.17 | abrotman | wait .. and you have to compile this on lenny? |
| 02:18.33 | abrotman | Couldn't you just setup a different server just for l2tp ? |
| 02:18.42 | some-cowbell | if he's doing it from the build machine, yes |
| 02:18.54 | abrotman | I wasn't asking you |
| 02:18.57 | heurist | hackish: running your vpn on you build box sound like a bad idea. |
| 02:19.22 | hackish | why is that heurist? |
| 02:19.27 | some-cowbell | you weren't specifying either. |
| 02:19.57 | abrotman | hackish: because it runs lenny, which is probably has more than a few security issues at this point |
| 02:20.24 | heurist | hackish: and is an important box, don't open it to the outside world. |
| 02:20.25 | hackish | abrotman, don't care. It's not going to be talking to the outside. |
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| 02:21.16 | abrotman | wonders how you access it from home without talking to the outside? |
| 02:21.33 | heurist | abrotman: by living at the office? |
| 02:21.36 | hackish | I'm basically duplicating the build box. Get it to build properly, then load up wheezy, move it over and see if I can get it work. |
| 02:21.50 | hackish | yes, home office. The real office is 2000km away. |
| 02:21.52 | heurist | hackish: good idea. |
| 02:22.14 | hackish | once it builds I'll need to fire up VPN again to commit all the changes to SVN and I'm done. |
| 02:23.21 | some-cowbell | sounds like about a week's worth of work |
| 02:23.42 | hackish | I'm sure it's going to be at least a week of work :( |
| 02:24.14 | hackish | the whole thing comes with 3 types of documentation. Missing, incomplete and incorrect |
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| 02:25.11 | hackish | couple that with the fact I haven't used linux since the late 1990's and I'm in for a long week |
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| 02:25.48 | some-cowbell | so you're somewhat new to the project? |
| 02:26.16 | david-user | Running Jessie here and have a bug to report. How can i find out the name of the package for which the bug lies in. In my situation, going to gnome settings, clicking on background cause the whole window to crash. thus not being able to change background. |
| 02:26.29 | hackish | cowbell, yes |
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| 02:26.56 | hackish | I got pissed with them saying we can't implement this and that so I said f-it give me the source I'll do it myself. |
| 02:27.04 | hackish | Now they're having the last laugh |
| 02:27.17 | abrotman | david-user: in the actual settings window? |
| 02:27.36 | david-user | so the bug is inside gnome settings and then the background option. Yes in the actual settings window. |
| 02:27.50 | abrotman | doesn't have this problem .. |
| 02:28.54 | abrotman | david-user: you could file against gnome-shell, and state you aren't sure it's the correct package, (see if you can get a traceback or something helpful) and let them reassign if need be |
| 02:29.18 | abrotman | david-user: can you see if the same thing happens if you open the "Files" in the left bar? |
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| 02:29.53 | david-user | files opens up just fine. |
| 02:30.06 | abrotman | and lcicking the background doesn't die? |
| 02:30.14 | abrotman | clicking even |
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| 02:31.37 | david-user | wait let me be clear on the bug. Not being able to change my background wallpaper in gnome because the window crashes, also right clicking on the desktop to change background wallpaper results in the same window poping up for one sec then crashing. |
| 02:31.56 | vimel | hi abrotman: a quick question about testing. ive been using it since january. everything has for the most part been great, until yesterday. i did a update / dist-upgrade and my nvidia driver was removed. now nvidia driver is not even in the apt-cache. i read that kernel 3.15 fixes some sound and video issues. steam isnt working atm either. all due to this update that took my nvidia driver out. long story short, should i wait for nvidia driver to come back |
| 02:32.07 | abrotman | david-user: ah, I thought you meant clicking in the background of that window caused a crash .. let me see what happens with that bug :) |
| 02:32.39 | abrotman | david-user: right, same problem here .. I'd file against gnome-shell (I think there's already one there) |
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| 02:33.11 | david-user | Awesome, you have the same issue too? |
| 02:33.20 | abrotman | vimel: I don't use nvidia, but I believe there was a fellow here that had the same issue. I think nvidia has resolved the issue, but that fix hasn't made it to Jessie yet |
| 02:33.35 | vimel | abrotman: ty sir! |
| 02:33.52 | abrotman | vimel: You can downgrade (not supported, but may work) Xorg, or see about whatever nvidia has done to resolve this outside of Debian |
| 02:34.25 | david-user | so this is not a debian related bug? |
| 02:34.41 | vimel | abrotman: it reminds me about chromium on jessie. it was working fine for months then something broke. it took them about a month to fix it. about two months ago. |
| 02:34.43 | abrotman | david-user: the nvidia bug? |
| 02:34.55 | abrotman | vimel: hadn't noticed, I've been using it for some time, no issues |
| 02:35.02 | vimel | abrotman: ya im going to just wait. that sounds like a good recmmendation. |
| 02:35.18 | david-user | the background wallapaper bug, you said you have the same issue of not being able to change right>? |
| 02:35.19 | abrotman | david-user: it is a problem in Debian, but it's because nvidia binary crap tthings + kernel + xorg changes .. |
| 02:35.27 | abrotman | david-user: yes, I have that same issue .. |
| 02:35.37 | abrotman | david-user: your bug is not related to what vimel was talking about |
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| 02:36.38 | vimel | nouveau is working fine. :D |
| 02:36.39 | david-user | o okay. abrotman how could you have not known about this bug in jessie, you must love to keep that debian logo front and center :) |
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| 02:37.10 | abrotman | david-user: I did know, I'd forgotten about it .. I think because I dont' look at my background often :) |
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| 02:37.36 | abrotman | david-user: oddly, if you hit the Windows key, I still see my background .. but if I just go to a blank Workspace, I see white background |
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| 02:38.50 | david-user | so what are we to do about this bug, we are testers after all right? |
| 02:39.16 | abrotman | david-user: you can file a bug, use reportbug, file against gnome-shell ? |
| 02:39.17 | some-cowbell | he suggested filing against gnome-shell |
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| 02:41.07 | david-user | Do you mean when i use report bug I use gnome-shell for the package name? |
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| 02:42.24 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:44.08 | david-user | abrotman here another bug to look at real quick, open up gnome tweak tool. |
| 02:44.29 | david-user | now go to the desktop tab on the left |
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| 02:44.47 | abrotman | needs to get a new laptop .. |
| 02:45.00 | abrotman | okay ? |
| 02:45.14 | david-user | now hover your mouse over the drop down menu for "Zoom" ect... Move your mouse over it |
| 02:45.29 | abrotman | and? |
| 02:45.33 | david-user | does it flicker in a werid way at all |
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| 02:45.43 | abrotman | I guess .. |
| 02:45.43 | david-user | like the text getting distorted |
| 02:46.10 | abrotman | ha .. neat .. |
| 02:46.17 | abrotman | turn off Icons, desktop wallpaper comes back |
| 02:46.17 | david-user | do you see it? |
| 02:46.27 | abrotman | yeah .. i see it |
| 02:46.32 | david-user | hover all around that area |
| 02:46.35 | david-user | yep |
| 02:46.41 | abrotman | so maybe the bug should be filed against Nautilus |
| 02:46.48 | david-user | bug #2 |
| 02:47.01 | david-user | Nautilus, why? |
| 02:47.36 | david-user | Nautitlus is the file manager |
| 02:48.20 | abrotman | turning off nautlius exposes the background |
| 02:48.26 | abrotman | just file it against gnome-shell |
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| 02:51.16 | david-user | okay, wait how do you turn "off" the file manager nautilus |
| 02:51.19 | david-user | ? |
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| 02:54.41 | david-user | okay will file against gnome-shell for both bugs then. |
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| 02:55.18 | david-user | Glad to know others are having the same bugs, somethings I feel like its my machine thats craping out or something. |
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| 03:01.59 | TyrfingMjolnir | I gave up and installed from stick |
| 03:02.05 | TyrfingMjolnir | How do I best install postgre 9.3? |
| 03:02.26 | TyrfingMjolnir | update apt to reflect unstable? |
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| 03:03.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | testing? |
| 03:03.59 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or install some port? |
| 03:04.04 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or install from source? |
| 03:04.41 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: if you really want to upgrade to jessie or unstable you should read up on that first. Don't add jessie/unstable repos to Wheezy though. The best way might be to backport |
| 03:05.26 | TyrfingMjolnir | and is there nodeJS in debian repo? |
| 03:06.18 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: nodejs is in wheezy-backports |
| 03:06.32 | Megaf | Hi everyone, I need your helo today, my girlfriend's laptop is freezing when playing an OpenGL game, nothing works but cursor moves and atl Gr sys rq o |
| 03:06.48 | Megaf | It's running Wheezy and Nouveau |
| 03:07.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | Megaf: Show her how to play ncurses based tetris |
| 03:07.05 | Megaf | it happens in GNOME 3 and GNOME 3 classic |
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| 03:07.23 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: "/msg dpkg ssb" for instructions on backporting packages from unstable to wheezy |
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| 03:08.37 | awc737 | What are these /etc/rc deals? |
| 03:08.40 | awc737 | http://laravel.io/bin/788Mz |
| 03:08.40 | TyrfingMjolnir | jmcnaught: What do I have to paste in to sources.list? |
| 03:09.16 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell TyrfingMjolnir -about bpo |
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| 03:11.58 | jmcnaught | awc737: did you install solr with Debian packages from the repositories? It looks like the init script solr_jw_stage is missing LSB info (there's a link in your paste with more info). |
| 03:12.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | No backports on cdn? |
| 03:13.05 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: I don't know, they should be there but maybe the CDN isn't up to date? I use a regional mirror myself. |
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| 03:16.02 | rryoumaa | how much worse in terms of stability is btrfs on wheezy compared to zfs on wheezy (which means zfs-fuse)? |
| 03:16.15 | jmcnaught | Megaf: you could try looking for error messages in ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log/syslog to find clues that might help you diagnose the issue |
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| 03:16.38 | Megaf | I took a look at dmesg, syslog and messages, no errors at all |
| 03:17.00 | TyrfingMjolnir | appears to work on cdn |
| 03:17.15 | TyrfingMjolnir | fuse is no godd? |
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| 03:17.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | rryoumaa: ZFS should be run in fifo, or as open zfs |
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| 03:17.54 | heurist | rryoumaa: been running btrfs for over a year now, no stability issues, it is really slow though once the meta-data starts growing, will not use it again for a few years. |
| 03:17.56 | rryoumaa | dunno what those mean. i don't want to dl anything new; i just want to use what wheezy has. |
| 03:17.58 | TyrfingMjolnir | btrfs I do not know |
| 03:18.14 | rryoumaa | heurist: the wheezy version? |
| 03:18.43 | heurist | wheezy + backports kernel |
| 03:19.43 | rryoumaa | is the backports kernel a reasonable thing to use in other respects? i don't need btrfs enough to upgrade unless the backports kernel is good in other ways. |
| 03:20.37 | TyrfingMjolnir | nodejs installed from wheezy-backports |
| 03:20.45 | heurist | rryoumaa: only running bpo kernel because btrfs code has major upgrades in it, speed is one of the upgrades, but it is still painfully slow. |
| 03:20.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | where do I find postgre 9.3? |
| 03:21.18 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: ask dpkg bot about "ssb" in a /msg like I suggested earlier |
| 03:21.49 | heurist | rryoumaa: maybe look at xfs |
| 03:22.59 | jmcnaught | ,checkbackport postgresql-9.3 |
| 03:23.14 | judd | Backporting package postgresql-9.3 in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 03:24.20 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: ^^^ according to judd you should be able to backport it, but unless you *really* need a new feature in 9.3 I would stick with the version in Wheezy to benefit from security updates without having to backport manually each time |
| 03:25.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | I will install this due to the JSON response in 9.3, or is that 9.4? Now I m confused. |
| 03:25.15 | TyrfingMjolnir | npm did not install with nodejs? |
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| 03:34.39 | Guest49691 | hi everyone |
| 03:38.15 | roboman2444 | http://i.imgur.com/MynKgRB.png good job |
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| 03:38.36 | roboman2444 | and no, i cant manually use the .run from the nvidia site, because i am using bumblebeed and that messes up all the lib locations |
| 03:39.49 | heurist | roboman2444: so don't do the update, that is the price of running testing. |
| 03:39.55 | roboman2444 | yep, i know |
| 03:40.02 | roboman2444 | but i also know that it wont be fixed for a while |
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| 03:43.16 | vimel | roboman2444: im in the same boat. this happened to my nvidia driver yesterday. i wasnt paying attention and allowed the dist-upgrade |
| 03:43.27 | mechaniputer | I saw the same thing today with the fglrx drivers. I ended up switching over to the radon driver to dodge it, because it's good enough and lower-hassle. |
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| 03:54.26 | david-user | just reported a bug using report bug, where can i find it?? |
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| 04:03.04 | Rusty1 | david-user: https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ , maybe that can help |
| 04:03.06 | TyrfingMjolnir | Anyone running cinnamon? |
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| 04:30.50 | newbieAlert | how to read a usb memory byte by byte , bypassing filesystem layer? |
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| 04:31.12 | heurist | newbieAlert: man dd |
| 04:31.12 | dondelelcaro | newbieAlert: just read the device directly |
| 04:31.13 | hyper_ch | dd |
| 04:31.26 | dondelelcaro | newbieAlert: less -f /dev/sdb1; foo for example |
| 04:31.51 | newbieAlert | thank you all :) |
| 04:32.56 | newbieAlert | got garbage with less command |
| 04:33.12 | heurist | newbieAlert: less is for text |
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| 04:34.12 | newbieAlert | did 'dd' usb to a file. now how to read this in file as hex, such that it shows memorylocations and corrosponding memory content |
| 04:34.54 | jKlaus | hey guys |
| 04:34.54 | newbieAlert | heurist: thats what i thought. but as usggested, no harm in trying. |
| 04:35.04 | jKlaus | Did anyone else just have their flash stop working in chrome? |
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| 04:35.24 | dondelelcaro | newbieAlert: hexump -C foo; for example. |
| 04:35.45 | dondelelcaro | newbieAlert: less will work too, but it'll just show you the content as if it were text, which might not be what you want |
| 04:35.55 | dondelelcaro | newbieAlert: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 04:36.21 | heurist | newbieAlert: man xxd |
| 04:37.00 | Viderizer | wouldn't `hexdump -C foo | less´ work |
| 04:37.03 | newbieAlert | trying to read superblock manually |
| 04:37.12 | Viderizer | jKlaus: what are you using flash for |
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| 04:37.35 | newbieAlert | xxd. thnx. currently trying bless. |
| 04:37.36 | jKlaus | adobe |
| 04:37.54 | jKlaus | Viderizer, it was working just before my laptop died due to low battery |
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| 04:38.17 | aBound | Hmm, forgot about Bless thanks for the reminder. |
| 04:38.25 | Viderizer | jKlaus: I haven't used flash since youtube implemented their html5 player |
| 04:38.36 | Viderizer | just curious on why you are using flash :p |
| 04:38.36 | jKlaus | Viderizer, I somewhat remember getting adobe to work in chome being a bitch before |
| 04:38.52 | heurist | so many hex editors, none of them brilliant ): |
| 04:39.20 | jKlaus | Viderizer, youtube is trying to make me use flash |
| 04:39.22 | heurist | jKlaus: pepperflash for chrome |
| 04:39.59 | Viderizer | jKlaus: http://youtube.com/html5 |
| 04:40.02 | heurist | jKlaus: tell it to use html5 again, your browser has paniced due to battery fail |
| 04:40.15 | aBound | Opera developer preview contains Pepper. |
| 04:42.07 | jKlaus | hmm |
| 04:42.11 | jKlaus | interesting |
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| 04:43.01 | aBound | :) |
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| 04:44.11 | jKlaus | about every site i go to it keeps popping up the warning about not having flash |
| 04:44.20 | jKlaus | yet things seem to be working though html5 |
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| 04:48.59 | aBound | If you use ice weasel/firefox you can open your browser. Type in: about:plugins |
| 04:49.17 | aBound | This way you can verify Flash is installed. |
| 04:49.26 | jKlaus | flash doesn't show up there |
| 04:49.36 | jKlaus | it does in ice weasel though |
| 04:51.05 | aBound | Hmm, in Firefox I'm guessing it isn't installed in it's proper directory. |
| 04:51.21 | aBound | Chrome would normally have Pepper by default. |
| 04:52.33 | aBound | Though since I just got in here I don't know what your question was. :P |
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| 05:55.48 | greenit | hi, does anyone know why conky-all is not in the jessie-repos? |
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| 05:59.14 | formorer | greenit: the package is obsolete. its just conky-std |
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| 06:01.10 | greenit | formorer: hm... thanks for the answer. Do you know a way to install conky-manager ( http://www.teejeetech.in/p/conky-manager.html ) in testing? it needs the conky-all package. Or is there a similar easy-to-use conky-config tool already in the repos? |
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| 06:02.42 | formorer | greenit: the package there has to be fixed. |
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| 06:03.30 | SirLagz | !jessie |
| 06:03.30 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>. |
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| 06:05.17 | greenit | SirLagz: did you post this to point me to #debian-testing? |
| 06:05.29 | greenit | #debian-next * |
| 06:05.33 | SirLagz | yes |
| 06:05.37 | greenit | k |
| 06:05.37 | SirLagz | just a FYI :) |
| 06:06.02 | greenit | but normally this channel is way more active than the channels on oftc.net ;) |
| 06:06.04 | formorer | if personally think this release pointing is nonsense. |
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| 06:10.24 | SirLagz | formorer: well making people in #debian-next aware of issues affecting Jessie make sense, since the devs for jessie are probably in #debian-next |
| 06:10.51 | formorer | here are also devs. if the question can get answered here, it should get answered here. |
| 06:11.01 | formorer | greenit: http://people.debian.org/~formorer/conky-manager/ |
| 06:11.04 | formorer | greenit: try that one. |
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| 06:11.21 | SirLagz | formorer: devs for jessie or devs for wheezy ? maybe the jessie devs aren't in here ? I don't know, i'm only guessing. |
| 06:11.48 | formorer | ah. so you haven't understood how debian gets developed. |
| 06:12.01 | SirLagz | formorer: I have a vague understanding |
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| 06:13.27 | formorer | greenit: I did the rebuild against sid. if the deps doesn't work, I'll have to rebuild against testing. (that may take a few minutes more) |
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| 06:15.22 | greenit | formorer: thanks for the link, but sadly i am not in front of my linux-machine right now (I am at work) :( |
| 06:15.45 | greenit | but, if it is okay, i'll try it when i come home and report in this channel if it worked :) |
| 06:15.49 | formorer | sure |
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| 06:18.12 | greenit | by the way, as i am interested in solving such problems on my own in future, how did you build this package against sid? |
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| 06:18.43 | formorer | I downloaded the source, fixed the dep and rebuild the package via cowbuilder. |
| 06:19.21 | greenit | ok, is there any tutorial-page for doing something like that? :) |
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| 06:20.50 | formorer | the new maintainers guide and the developers reference should help |
| 06:21.05 | formorer | there are probably better starter documents nowadays, but I am not familiar with them |
| 06:21.28 | greenit | thanks for your help formorer :) |
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| 06:21.54 | formorer | de nada |
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| 06:46.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | What is the preferred desktop for remote access? |
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| 06:48.18 | TyrfingMjolnir | VNC? |
| 06:48.24 | TyrfingMjolnir | X11? |
| 06:50.17 | TyrfingMjolnir | MSRDP |
| 06:50.30 | TyrfingMjolnir | There is also a 4 or 5 letter abbreviation |
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| 06:50.49 | meek_geek | sup |
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| 06:59.26 | iwilcox | TyrfingMjolnir: I think I'd probably go for RDP for speed, maybe VNC for isolation |
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| 07:09.15 | `ajven | hi im looking for help any idea why i cant remove mysql-server ? and why apt want to start mysql-server to remove it ? http://pastebin.com/2zZRRQgj |
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| 07:11.38 | jmcnaught | `ajven: maybe try removing mysql-server-5.1 package |
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| 07:14.01 | jmcnaught | `ajven: also it's probably easier for people here to help you if you make sure the errors come out in english by setting LC_ALL=C, so "LC_ALL=C apt-get remove mysql-server-5.1" |
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| 07:20.01 | `ajven | i know but its productive server i cant change laguange |
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| 07:20.32 | jmcnaught | `ajven: it's just for that command |
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| 07:21.11 | `ajven | oh |
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| 07:21.53 | jmcnaught | `ajven: I'm about to leave, but if it's a production server I hope you're being careful and have backups :) Best of luck. |
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| 07:38.27 | colo-work | hrm. |
| 07:38.42 | colo-work | is there a way to encrypt tmpfs, like it is with swap? |
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| 07:42.10 | somiaj | colo-work: since tmpfs is in memory and active things need to be able to read it any thing you can think of why you would want to encrypt it? |
| 07:43.08 | colo-work | somiaj, to prevent cold-boot attacks with still-resident memory content in DRAM from getting at sensitive data. it's the very same thing as with encrypted swap, actually. |
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| 07:43.39 | somiaj | ahh wasn't sure memory could be read after a boot, swap is hard media is it can be read after a reboot. |
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| 07:49.08 | phy1729 | colo-work: check out http://www1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/tresor |
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| 07:51.53 | colo-work | phy1729, awesome stuff, thanks :) |
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| 07:52.40 | `ajven | http://pastebin.com/Gd5BeGLU any idea why i cant remove that mysql ? |
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| 07:54.09 | somiaj | some-cowbell: could it just be old and jamming. It should have a small hole in it you can put a paperclip in to force the door open. |
| 07:54.52 | somiaj | some-cowbell: you could also run the eject command, but it could be a jammed door. |
| 07:56.18 | somiaj | `ajven: what state is that package in, what is the output of 'dpkg -l mysql-server' (Wanting just the first two letters for the package state) |
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| 08:02.14 | `ajven | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/pVGR2KV6 |
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| 08:04.05 | somiaj | `ajven: oh sorry I need the package mysql-server-5.1 (that is the one giving you the problems, not mysql-server) |
| 08:04.09 | formorer | `ajven: add exit 0 to the second line of /etc/init.d/mysql |
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| 08:05.15 | `ajven | rebooting now |
| 08:05.26 | formorer | ? |
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| 08:05.47 | zuse___ | good morning vietnam |
| 08:05.51 | nathannX | hello |
| 08:06.00 | six86 | Guten Morgen! :) Is there a way to automatically set the correct file permissions when building a debian package? So lintian complains about of a lot wrong permissions, is there a tool to automatically fix them? I found dh_fixperms, but I have no clue how it is used. |
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| 08:06.38 | nathannX | anybody here can answer me a simple YES or NO question, Is it possible to hide a process from root using user account? |
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| 08:07.00 | quantumbeat | if all terminals are busy (Ctrl+Alt+F1 - Ctrl+Alt+F12), how to restart a new one on F1? |
| 08:07.03 | quantumbeat | nathannX: no |
| 08:07.15 | quantumbeat | except if you recompile the kernel |
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| 08:07.35 | quantumbeat | which you wont install as user |
| 08:07.38 | nathannX | You sure theres no way hiding a process from root |
| 08:07.41 | nathannX | so its possible. |
| 08:07.50 | quantumbeat | yes, but not without root access |
| 08:07.58 | nathannX | oh so its a NO again |
| 08:08.01 | nathannX | ^_^ |
| 08:08.04 | nathannX | thanks bro. |
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| 08:08.19 | nathannX | Root see's everything indeed. |
| 08:08.35 | quantumbeat | anybody else on the terminal question? |
| 08:08.44 | quantumbeat | with "busy" I mean "dead" |
| 08:08.49 | quantumbeat | so screen is not a solution |
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| 08:09.15 | `ajven | Well it looks like some problem with apt-get - http://pastebin.com/6mqiWHwp |
| 08:09.34 | nicxz_ | quantumbeat: ssh in if that's an option |
| 08:10.03 | iwilcox | cebuano: Why do you want to? |
| 08:10.15 | somiaj | `ajven: look at the package state, rc means the packages are removed but the config files are still around, use dpkg --purge if youw ant to get rid of the config files. |
| 08:10.23 | formorer | `ajven: no. the package is remove but the configfiles are left (thats state rc). if you want to get rid of them, do: apt-get --purge remove <package(s)> |
| 08:10.25 | iwilcox | cebuano: (now that you've got your simple answer) |
| 08:10.30 | cebuano | iwilcox, im just if it's posible or not |
| 08:10.37 | cebuano | so its ano :) |
| 08:10.51 | `ajven | It will not crash server ? im a little scary |
| 08:10.59 | cebuano | co'z I dont want somebody messing up on my box. |
| 08:11.08 | quantumbeat | yes, thats an option, thanks - but I came accross that problem quite a few times now, especially when dealing with graphics issues and always wonder if there's some SysRQ (except reboot), which can FIFO through terminals beyond F12 ... |
| 08:11.13 | quantumbeat | or something like that |
| 08:11.22 | iwilcox | cebuano: That suggests you're more worried about rootkits or similar? |
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| 08:11.57 | `ajven | apt-get --purge remove mysql-server / apt-get --purge remove mysql-server-5.1 answer same = Package mysql-server-5.1 is not installed, so not removed |
| 08:12.08 | cebuano | iwilcox, NO im worried that one of my users doing iligal things on my box, so just making sure if i see everything in ps aux |
| 08:12.11 | somiaj | `ajven: because it is not installed. |
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| 08:12.55 | iwilcox | cebuano: It'd be pretty easy to hide the true purpose of a process from a casual glance at ps output. |
| 08:13.13 | cebuano | iwilcox now im confused. |
| 08:13.14 | cebuano | Lol |
| 08:13.17 | babilen | `ajven: "apt-get purge mysql-server-5.1" -- Or just remove *all* removed-but-not-purged packages with "aptitude purge '~c'" |
| 08:13.21 | six86 | Guten Morgen! :) Is there a way to automatically set the correct file permissions when building a debian package? So lintian complains about of a lot wrong permissions, is there a tool to automatically fix them? I found dh_fixperms, but I have no clue how it is used. |
| 08:13.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell six86 -about mentors |
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| 08:13.53 | babilen | six86: Moin, I'd take it to #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 08:13.53 | iwilcox | cebuano: Put it this way: root could see what user processes were claiming to do, but couldn't be sure that they were really doing that. |
| 08:14.28 | `ajven | babilen: Package mysql-server-5.1 is not installed, so not removed |
| 08:14.34 | quantumbeat | true recompile your program and call the process "top" |
| 08:14.36 | quantumbeat | :D |
| 08:14.36 | cebuano | iwilcox oh ya' so they just rename the file? |
| 08:14.59 | formorer | `ajven: and you added --purge? |
| 08:15.18 | cebuano | yep suspecios activity always use crazy CPU usage |
| 08:15.19 | `ajven | yes |
| 08:15.19 | cebuano | lol |
| 08:15.20 | somiaj | apt-get won't act on removed apckages (even if config fiels around) use aptitude or dpkg |
| 08:15.26 | quantumbeat | cebuano: in the end, a program running in user space cannot do much which would be interesting for root anyway |
| 08:15.34 | iwilcox | cebuano: Stuff like that, yeah. If you want to be really sure, there are fancier tools that come with extra management work attached. Stuff like SELinux, grsecurity |
| 08:15.41 | formorer | somiaj: of course it does. |
| 08:16.01 | six86 | babilen: thanks, I'll ask there |
| 08:16.01 | babilen | `ajven: Could you paste the output of: "apt-get purge mysql-server-5.1", "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'mysql-*'" and "aptitude search '~c'" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 08:16.34 | babilen | `ajven: Oh, and throw in "aptitude purge mysql-server-5.1" just for giggles |
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| 08:16.38 | cebuano | quackgyver, great bt when i delete their username on the system , everything they run will be dead, YES? |
| 08:16.40 | formorer | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/110198/ |
| 08:17.04 | some-cowbell | somiaj: a couple of things make this more interesting... one, I'm running a 3.2 kernel now, and I had occasion to run an earlier kernel... a 2.6.something, and under that kernel the door was working |
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| 08:17.33 | some-cowbell | somiaj, could it be a driver issue? |
| 08:17.35 | cebuano | Sorry got DC |
| 08:17.37 | cebuano | lol |
| 08:17.47 | somiaj | formorer: hmm, I rebmer apt-get not able to do that and it gave me a similar error he was getting |
| 08:18.29 | cebuano | hey br quackgyver , if i delete the username everything that the username run will be automatically killed? |
| 08:18.36 | formorer | cebuano: no. |
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| 08:19.36 | babilen | cebuano: Take a look at "userdel" and, in particular, the --remove option. |
| 08:19.38 | cebuano | I'm doing trial and error in here 2 windows user and root, somebody told me that running a file in /var/tmp will be invisible in root |
| 08:19.48 | quantumbeat | wrong |
| 08:19.53 | cebuano | but when i try it , i still see it n root |
| 08:19.54 | cebuano | Lol |
| 08:19.58 | quantumbeat | :) |
| 08:20.00 | cebuano | Yes I know |
| 08:20.06 | babilen | dpkg: lol |
| 08:20.06 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 08:20.29 | quantumbeat | thats good advice |
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| 08:20.33 | cebuano | sets mode: +o dpkg |
| 08:20.35 | some-cowbell | what do aol users look like? |
| 08:20.37 | quantumbeat | bwahaha |
| 08:20.41 | cebuano | nice1 |
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| 08:21.25 | cebuano | who owned this chnnel? you got serious drones/bnc's n here |
| 08:21.27 | cebuano | Lol |
| 08:21.37 | cebuano | gimme script. |
| 08:21.39 | cebuano | :P |
| 08:21.42 | babilen | Please, can we move on and concentrate on the issues at hand? |
| 08:21.51 | cebuano | Sorry |
| 08:22.01 | cebuano | just confuse with small thigns |
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| 08:23.33 | `ajven | how to force debian to install old package version from disk ? i cant install mysql-server5.0 becouse was installed 5.1 version |
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| 08:24.09 | formorer | dpkg -i <package.deb> |
| 08:24.10 | dpkg | installs <package.deb> into formorer's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 08:24.26 | babilen | `ajven: I am still waiting for that paste, btw. Are we done with that issue? |
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| 08:24.34 | ThreadKiLL | sooooo, bottom line is NO? |
| 08:24.46 | some-cowbell | that's a particular example of why it was decided to not bother supporting downgrades... |
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| 08:25.09 | babilen | `ajven: And what are you trying to achieve? You should use the MySQL version that comes with your Debian release and not the lenny version you might have lying aroung somewhere. |
| 08:25.10 | some-cowbell | what you need to do is backup your database first by producing a dump |
| 08:25.31 | `ajven | babilen: sorry, yes i remove it at last, its productive server so much of ppl calling and asking why its not working im confused. I'm trying now to install old version mysql from archive |
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| 08:26.04 | babilen | `ajven: Why are you not installing the MySQL version that comes with the release of Debian you are running (wheezy?) |
| 08:26.27 | somiaj | formorer: ahh I found it in the change log, seems that ability was added a while ago, I was just in the habbit of not using apt-get for purging. |
| 08:26.33 | some-cowbell | if you just install it you could lose the databases in it... back them up before doing anything like this |
| 08:27.22 | some-cowbell | this happens to be dangerous territory |
| 08:27.23 | somiaj | `ajven: what version of debian are you running? |
| 08:27.30 | `ajven | babilen: im not using wheezy as first, i need to have older mysql version to make system like egroupware working, its setting up for older mysql version |
| 08:27.41 | `ajven | somiaj: its lenny |
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| 08:28.02 | babilen | `ajven: Lenny is no longer supported. At all. You really shouldn't use it. |
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| 08:28.09 | somiaj | that explains why apt-get won't purge, use dpkg --purge on those packages. Also lenny on a server is probabaly a bad idea, it is way outdated |
| 08:28.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell `ajven -about lenny->squeeze |
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| 08:29.01 | somiaj | seems the abitlity for apt-get to purge rc files was added around sept 2010 |
| 08:29.23 | `ajven | its productive server so i cant just make update it, much of systems are settup for working on this version php / mysql etc |
| 08:29.52 | piotrh | hi, need some help. i'm getting signature verification errors for debian-lts repo when running apt-get http://pastebin.com/XeeybHuz . everything seemed to work fine few days ago when i added the repo and upgraded my servers. any advice? thanks |
| 08:30.05 | some-cowbell | he's right about that... the mysql world is full of messes like that |
| 08:30.08 | babilen | `ajven: But you probably know that already. Either way you should run the MySQL version that comes with the release that you are tracking (i.e. lenny) and not the version of some other release. Given that you get *no* security fixes whatsoever and your system *is* very vulnerable you obviously don't mind certain problems ... |
| 08:30.13 | formorer | `ajven: that just means it is an productive server with a bug number of security problems. consider it already compromised. |
| 08:30.16 | SPF | how can I modify an existing iso with isolinux without breaking it? |
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| 08:31.16 | gluesniffmonkey | Is there a way to copy the working Xorg from Wheezy to Jessie? Like we used to do in the old days with Knoppix CD's. |
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| 08:31.45 | gluesniffmonkey | Ignore that. Meant to switch to debian-next |
| 08:31.56 | babilen | `ajven: Squeeze (the version before the current stable release and successor to lenny) has been released in 2011 and lenny was EOLed in 2012. There really was enough time to find out about this and plan the upgrade. I would *strongly* recommend to perform it rather sooner than later. |
| 08:32.22 | babilen | gluesniffmonkey: "no" ;) |
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| 08:32.55 | some-cowbell | somiaj, when you have a moment, I would liek to continue a conversation we started about an hour ago |
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| 08:33.17 | somiaj | some-cowbell: I wouldn't have much more advice as to why the door isnt' working. |
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| 08:34.03 | some-cowbell | what I was going to ask, is are there still specific drivers per specific ata device? |
| 08:34.32 | gluesniffmonkey | babilen, It used to be so easy. If you booted into a Debian install and no gui you stole the working Knoppix one. |
| 08:34.36 | somiaj | not really, i'm not sure what the issue could be |
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| 08:35.00 | Lymia | Quick question, how well supported is UEFI on Debian? |
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| 08:35.12 | Lymia | I'm dealing with a convertable laptop that has no Legacy BIOS support. |
| 08:35.13 | somiaj | Lymia: wheezy has support for it if you turn secure mode off. |
| 08:35.19 | somiaj | Lymia: it works just fine for me here. |
| 08:35.26 | babilen | some here |
| 08:35.29 | babilen | *same |
| 08:35.51 | Lymia | kk |
| 08:35.57 | Lymia | Having secure boot would be nice. :P |
| 08:35.59 | Lymia | But it's not a must-have. |
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| 08:37.15 | somiaj | Lymia: just make sure you use an offical debian installer and boot it in uefi mode. last I checked the debian-live images did not have a efi boot option. |
| 08:37.44 | quantumbeat | secure boot is a foul bitch |
| 08:38.20 | quantumbeat | send laptop back to manufacturer and complain it is broken |
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| 08:38.45 | cebuano | Lol |
| 08:38.59 | Lymia | quantumbeat, I do intend to use full disk encryption. :P |
| 08:38.59 | quantumbeat | that is just what it is |
| 08:39.06 | quantumbeat | Lymia: so? |
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| 08:39.10 | Lymia | It would actually be nice for me if secure boot worked (and recgonized Linux) |
| 08:39.10 | Lymia | :P |
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| 08:39.20 | Lymia | I have no clue how to add keys to it though, so. |
| 08:39.29 | quantumbeat | secure boot has got absolutely nothing to do with encryption |
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| 08:39.44 | quantumbeat | it's like a frog and a bicycle |
| 08:40.00 | Lymia | AFAIK, it does stop people from doing weird things with the bootloader that, uh, accepts my password and actually decrypts stuff. |
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| 08:43.08 | armin | hm, the package description for the "command-not-found" package is "Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions", though there is an /etc/zsh_command_not_found ... |
| 08:43.17 | Lymia | somiaj, anyway, is there a live CD that supports UEFI? |
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| 08:43.47 | SynrGy | armin: file a minor bug and patch for the description |
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| 08:44.12 | somiaj | Lymia: The ones I have seen from debian didn't last I checked. Only the installer images did. |
| 08:44.14 | armin | SynrGy: thx |
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| 08:45.05 | Subfusc | Lymia: if you are afraid of that, set a bios administrator password and encrypt the drive |
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| 08:53.54 | DI_dot_fm | !PSOIX |
| 08:54.02 | DI_dot_fm | !POSIX |
| 08:54.02 | dpkg | posix is, like, the Portable Operating System Interface - the GNU library is also compatible with the IEEE POSIX family of standards, known more formally as the Portable Operating System Interface for Computer Environments. POSIX is derived mostly from various versions of the Unix operating system. |
| 08:54.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell DI_dot_fm -about msgthebot |
| 08:54.21 | DI_dot_fm | babilen: point takne. |
| 08:54.26 | DI_dot_fm | *taken. |
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| 08:56.47 | DI_dot_fm | who wrote dpkg bot > |
| 08:56.54 | DI_dot_fm | ? :o |
| 08:58.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell DI_dot_fm -about dpkgbot |
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| 09:06.53 | samael | hello |
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| 09:08.31 | samael | i'm about to live-migrate a production machine from squeeze to wheezy. the only (really) important service there is openvpn. are there some known issues/practices to avoid troubles? any experience here? |
| 09:09.08 | Nik05 | first read the manual |
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| 09:11.31 | FuzzyWhirlpool | frtm^ |
| 09:12.22 | Nik05 | FuzzyWhirlpool isnt it rtfm? |
| 09:12.50 | FuzzyWhirlpool | just a variance of it. |
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| 09:30.15 | AlexKa-71 | hello |
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| 09:30.27 | Mmike | Hi, lads. Is there a way to have apt-get 'ignore' pinning preferences when installing a package? |
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| 09:37.29 | armetiz | Hi there |
| 09:37.50 | armetiz | I'm trying to upgrade debian which was installed before heartbleed fix |
| 09:37.57 | armetiz | And I want to do it automatically |
| 09:38.04 | Nik05 | Mmike do you mean something like -t? |
| 09:38.24 | armetiz | The problem is, when libssl is updated, I get a question "do you want to restart some services.." |
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| 09:38.52 | armetiz | I have something like that : export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive; apt-get update -q -y && apt-get upgrade -q -y |
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| 09:39.05 | armetiz | but the problem still persists |
| 09:39.20 | armetiz | do you h ave any clue ? |
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| 09:40.55 | armetiz | Hum.. I guess the problem is not around apt, but more about dpkg |
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| 09:49.08 | some-cowbell | , v lame |
| 09:49.09 | judd | Package: lame on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 3.98.4-0.0; squeeze-backports: 3.98.4+repack2-3~bpo60+1; jessie: 3.99.5+repack1-3; sid: 3.99.5+repack1-3; wheezy: 3.99.5+repack1-3; jessie-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo2 |
| 09:50.02 | Mmike | Nik05: yes, but not for series, but for packages. Say I have added additional package archive/repo, and default pin for those packages is 400. So if I want to install pkg-something, it will pull it from debian/stable because that archive has pin 500, regardless of pkg-something in that additional repo has higher version. So I want to tell apt to install that package from that particular archive, regardless of the default pinning in apt-preferences. |
| 09:50.07 | Mmike | if that's even possible. |
| 09:50.36 | Mmike | I know I can add that package to apt preferences, and then tell it to have pin priority 500+. But I want to do it, somehow, from the command line. |
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| 10:02.39 | Mmike | something like Apt::Preferences::... config item |
| 10:02.51 | Mmike | but it seems there isn't one |
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| 10:04.38 | user1 | i am building a debian package (.deb) for java library which has a number of jars. how should i proceed. |
| 10:05.34 | babilen | user1: Ask in #debian-java or #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net please. |
| 10:05.41 | user1 | ok |
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| 10:06.36 | user1 | babilen : got kicked by mentors. give me an invitation |
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| 10:16.45 | UserError | Does debian allow exec on /run/shm ? |
| 10:16.54 | UserError | defaults |
| 10:17.19 | UserError | errr maybe it is called /dev/shm not a regular debian user |
| 10:19.52 | petern__ | UserError, tmpfs on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=1644760k) |
| 10:19.59 | petern__ | UserError, so no :) |
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| 10:20.06 | UserError | Awesome, thank you |
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| 10:50.04 | colo-work | is it just me, or is Debian's network configuration subsystem (ifup/ifdown/ifquery) severly fucked? |
| 10:50.36 | stakewinner00 | colo-work: what happens? |
| 10:50.38 | Walex | colo-work: it mostly works, except it is trying to do something impossible |
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| 10:51.50 | colo-work | I am trying to integrate ucarp on aliased interfaces (ethN:M) in a sensible manner. I've gotten to a point where an ifup ethN:M-ucarp... sets up everything correctly, has ifup return 0, yet the state is still somehow garbled |
| 10:52.00 | colo-work | ifdown on the interface claims it isn't configured |
| 10:52.07 | colo-work | ifup once more complains the interface already exists |
| 10:52.38 | colo-work | is there a way to know, without trying to change state, if ifup/ifdown consideres an interface up or down? |
| 10:52.54 | Walex | colo-work: so you are trying to do corner cases through a "best effort" wrapper... |
| 10:53.20 | iwilcox | Yeah, for that sort of thing I tend to use 'manual' and a bunch of pre-up/post-down |
| 10:53.35 | colo-work | Walex, I'm trying to rely on core infrastructure provided by Debian. it's a pity that whoever implemented ucarp support did so in a borderline unusable manner |
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| 10:54.05 | colo-work | once ucarp instance/HA IPv4 address per _physical_ link is somewhat... yeah. too little. |
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| 10:55.28 | colo-work | `ifquery <if>` spits out all the pretty data and returns 0; `ifdown <if>` tells me <if> is not configured |
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| 10:56.10 | stmaher | Hi Guys have a bond0 internface with 2 1000Mbps nic cards installed. The bond is working and fault tolleerance works.. however i cannot get 2Gbps on the link using two desktop machines agains the server with the bond using iperf |
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| 10:56.19 | stmaher | any pointers on where I might be going wrong |
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| 10:57.33 | Walex | stmaher: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-*/Documentation/networking/bonding.txt.gz |
| 10:58.06 | Walex | stmaher: also read very carefully the ARP situation. |
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| 10:58.25 | stmaher | Thanks Walex |
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| 10:59.12 | Walex | stmaher: you can choose several different bonding modes both at the switch and at the server, and they many not necessarily overlap. |
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| 11:00.48 | stmaher | Walex dont have "linux-doc-*" on my systems.. |
| 11:00.57 | stmaher | is there an apt for the documentation im missing? |
| 11:01.14 | Walex | apt-get install linux-doc-3.2 |
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| 11:02.32 | Walex | stmaher: anyhow you seem a bit underinformed :-) Bonding is a subtle bit configuration, and perhaps you might want to do a search on the web for some reasonable explanation of the various bonding configuration modes, and potential tradeoffs. |
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| 11:03.41 | Walex | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/debian-ubuntu-teaming-aggregating-multiple-network-connections.html |
| 11:03.51 | Walex | http://serverfault.com/questions/569060/link-aggregation-lacp-802-3ad-max-throughput |
| 11:04.04 | Walex | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/bonding.txt (same as the file I mentioned above) |
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| 11:05.32 | stmaher | Walex Interesting articles.. thankyou for that.. However it states a flaw of using a single stream.. Im using iperf with 5 concurrent connections brom two machines |
| 11:05.38 | stmaher | Walex I would expect it to work |
| 11:05.49 | stmaher | I have moved over to using rr load balancing to see if it makes a difference |
| 11:05.57 | Walex | http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsysm/article.php/3697756/Tips-and-Tuning-for-Ethernet-Bonding-With-Linux.htm |
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| 11:06.45 | stmaher | (point to note switch has the two ports in a LAG group) |
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| 11:08.09 | Walex | stmaher: it is not as simple as that |
| 11:08.22 | deed02392 | hi guys, I've just downloaded a debian package source and built it with dpkg-buildpackage, but I can't find the .deb file - shouldn't it create one? |
| 11:08.26 | Walex | stmaher: "expect it to work |
| 11:08.32 | Walex | stmaher: "expect it to work" :-) :-) |
| 11:09.01 | Walex | stmaher: there are several subtle aspects, so you got to look at it carefully. |
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| 11:09.13 | stmaher | Walex LOL.. it just looks so simple ;-) |
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| 11:09.38 | stmaher | Walex I have toyed with the different bonding modes.. Im onto RR now to see if it makes a difference |
| 11:09.44 | deed02392 | i can't do apt-get source foo -b because the build fails due to debian/rules not being able to find a dependency i manually installed |
| 11:10.10 | deed02392 | so I just did apt-get source, fixed the rules file and then dpkg-buildpackage... but no .deb is generated to subsequently install |
| 11:10.16 | stmaher | Walex I was expecting to just put the two ports on the switch into a LAG and bond the two interfaces on the server and thats it.. |
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| 11:11.41 | stmaher | Interesting though is one link gets a full 934Mbps but the second machine only gets 1.33Mbps |
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| 11:11.51 | stmaher | sorry 6Mbps |
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| 11:19.29 | deed02392 | I get the error "no dependency information found for /usr/local/lib/libdrm.so" when I try to apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-vmware -b |
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| 11:30.22 | TJ- | deed02392: Looks like you manually built/installed another package that has installed that library, which is taking preference over the archive-installed library |
| 11:31.05 | deed02392 | I manually built and installed libdrm |
| 11:31.24 | stmaher | Walex YAY I got 1.6Gbps using RR |
| 11:31.26 | deed02392 | not another package other than this though |
| 11:31.47 | deed02392 | I think I managed to make it work by running the apt-get source -b command from within the directory containing libdrm... |
| 11:32.01 | deed02392 | could that be feasible? might it have searched the current directory and magically found what it needed? |
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| 11:33.24 | TJ- | deed02392: No, usually the libraries are searched on LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 11:33.36 | deed02392 | TJ-, I can't explain how else it might have suddenly worked |
| 11:34.19 | TJ- | deed02392: maybe "." is in the LD_LIBRARY_PATH during build |
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| 11:34.34 | deed02392 | where could I check that? |
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| 11:38.55 | Walex | deed02392: if you are trying to backport X etc. stuff to make Steam work, consider using SteamOS binary packages... |
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| 11:40.02 | m_tadeu | hi....where can I ask about packaging? |
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| 11:43.57 | AimHere | m_tadeu, well packaging for Debian systems would be about as ontopic here as anywhere |
| 11:44.02 | Walex | m_tadeu: depends... |
| 11:44.46 | Walex | m_tadeu: as <AimHere> said, it is ontopic here, but this is mostly a channel for users and sysadms rather than packagers |
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| 11:45.17 | deed02392 | Walex, nah it was to get 3D acceleration working under vmware, for Gnome |
| 11:45.39 | Walex | m_tadeu: there is #Debian-mentors on IRC.Debian.org for aspiring package developers |
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| 11:45.50 | deed02392 | Walex, it worked, I just want to know how/why. When I was first trying apt-get source xserver-etc -b it was failing with that error on libdrm |
| 11:46.07 | deed02392 | but then suddenly after fiddling about with looking at what libdrm packages were available, and doing a make clean and reinstall of libdrm, it worked |
| 11:46.23 | m_tadeu | ok...I can build my project on 2 different ways. this will make the package have different dependencies....is there a way to set something like "if ${myvar}"? |
| 11:46.37 | deed02392 | perhaps it was because i reinstalled libdrm manually... or because i ran the apt-get command once again from within the drm source dir |
| 11:46.37 | m_tadeu | on the control file, I mean |
| 11:46.46 | Walex | deed02392: "reinstall of libdrm" from a ".deb" or from manual build? |
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| 11:47.24 | Walex | m_tadeu: you are building two different packages, not a single package. |
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| 11:47.38 | deed02392 | Walex, manual build |
| 11:47.51 | deed02392 | the _only_ package i've played with fixing this was the one I got dpkg to build after apt-getting source |
| 11:48.02 | m_tadeu | Walex: yes, 2 different packages, sames control file |
| 11:48.20 | m_tadeu | s/sames/same |
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| 11:49.35 | Walex | m_tadeu: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-substvars may help you |
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| 11:50.22 | m_tadeu | Walex: thanx...gonna read that |
| 11:51.11 | Walex | m_tadeu: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/27/different-dependencies-between-debian-and-ubuntu-but-common-source-package/ |
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| 12:03.56 | vNistelroot | hi people |
| 12:04.05 | koell | hi bot |
| 12:04.26 | vNistelroot | why bot? |
| 12:04.35 | koell | :D |
| 12:04.43 | koell | how can we help you? |
| 12:04.54 | vNistelroot | im experiencing issues when connecting to wireless networks via wicd package and captive-portal |
| 12:05.10 | vNistelroot | it connects but not redirects to custom page, so I cant connect to Internet |
| 12:05.30 | vNistelroot | doesnt matter what captive portal |
| 12:05.37 | vNistelroot | ive tried many |
| 12:05.44 | vNistelroot | hotels, big companies, my own company... |
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| 12:16.21 | joar | dokma: http://wiki.languagetool.org/command-line-options |
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| 12:19.04 | prem | hi all |
| 12:19.12 | susundberg | _o/ |
| 12:19.23 | prem | does debian switches to xfce as the default desktop in jessie? |
| 12:19.46 | abrotman | supposedly |
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| 12:20.35 | AquaL1te | prem: no, gnome3 is the default as with wheezy |
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| 12:20.57 | abrotman | AquaL1te: no |
| 12:20.59 | prem | abrotman, so it means the jessie release will be with xfce desktop? |
| 12:21.15 | AquaL1te | abrotman: source? |
| 12:21.16 | abrotman | prem: yes, it will also release with Gnome and KDE and 25 other Window Managers and Desktops |
| 12:21.22 | abrotman | AquaL1te: the vote they took months ago |
| 12:21.42 | AquaL1te | hmmm i missed that one |
| 12:21.47 | prem | abrotman, where can i get the current testing dvd with gnome3 / |
| 12:21.58 | prem | the official dvd1 / cd1 comes with xfce |
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| 12:22.10 | abrotman | prem: you don't want that, please just use the netinst |
| 12:22.32 | abrotman | notes this was always an easy option anyway |
| 12:22.33 | prem | abrotman, but i want to install in machines where i dont ve internet |
| 12:22.39 | prem | thats the prob |
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| 12:23.55 | dokma | joar, don't have java on the server |
| 12:24.15 | AquaL1te | it's not final yet: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/debian-8-0-switches-xfce-default |
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| 12:25.04 | AquaL1te | hopefully they don't IMHO ;-) gnome fallback could be the default for people with low performing hardware. just like in rhel 7/centos 7 (which looks very good btw) |
| 12:25.09 | abrotman | prem: then it won't matter what the default is .. |
| 12:25.19 | abrotman | AquaL1te: LXDE would be better |
| 12:25.39 | dokma | xfce4 |
| 12:25.42 | abrotman | prem: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ Good luck |
| 12:25.42 | dokma | :D |
| 12:25.45 | abrotman | dokma: pay attention ... |
| 12:26.09 | dokma | abrotman, I did |
| 12:26.49 | AquaL1te | abrotman: gnome development is unmatched, gtk3 is superb, gnome3 shell is a modern desktop, gnome fallback is for systems without 3d accel. which is hard to find in 2014 ;-) |
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| 12:27.16 | AquaL1te | but whatever, anyone can install their own system... gnome3 is more populair, so should be the default |
| 12:27.24 | abrotman | Whatever floats your boat .. I'm not arguing with you .. It's not up to you or me |
| 12:27.26 | AquaL1te | i'll end with that, because i can't make the difference anyway :P |
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| 12:34.40 | Shadow_7 | AquaL1te: if you go purely by statistics, Unity is the most popular. Not that I care for either Unity or gnome as my systems are old and using either would cut my performance in half. |
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| 12:37.09 | Shadow_7 | AquaL1te: for examples, at the moment, X + cwm + 3 xterms + hexchat and free says 53.6MB of RAM used. |
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| 12:42.08 | AquaL1te | Shadow_7: are you from the past ;-) you can buy 8 GB of RAM for 50 euros... all this BS about RAM and 3d acceleration is not valid in 2014 also the restriction that the install medium should fit on a cdrom... who uses cdroms? is unity packaged in debian? |
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| 12:42.30 | Shadow_7 | AquaL1te: until you run anything arm |
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| 12:43.24 | Shadow_7 | AquaL1te: and it is valid since the price of energy is going up and up and up. Plus some people don't like have 57000 BTU heaters / gaming PCs to do simple things. |
| 12:43.27 | AquaL1te | Shadow_7: default means what is suitable for most people ;-) what most people use as a debian desktop is an amd64 pc with enough ram and 3d accell. |
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| 12:44.07 | AquaL1te | Shadow_7: again, old argument... i use the igpu of intel, i have no dedicated gpu and i can still run games froms steam |
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| 12:44.51 | Shadow_7 | AquaL1te: But does your A/C every shot off countering the heat your PC generates? |
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| 12:45.25 | Shadow_7 | And how many car parts are on your computer? aka radiator, water pump, .... |
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| 12:48.52 | Shadow_7 | You don't really need dedicated GPUs these days. My moms new computer has an integrated ATI HD 7xxx series GPU. |
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| 12:49.21 | AquaL1te | Shadow_7: exactly my point, i use the igpu of intel, integrated gpu |
| 12:49.28 | AquaL1te | i'm doing fine btw: http://paste.debian.net/110245/ |
| 12:49.41 | AquaL1te | i'm in a hot office and my system is doing a lot of things |
| 12:49.45 | AquaL1te | anyway i'm off :P |
| 12:49.48 | Shadow_7 | My desktop with dual core 1.9GHz and an ATI HD 4550 after market card can barely play games. |
| 12:49.55 | AquaL1te | all these 1980 arguments :( |
| 12:50.02 | tensorpudding | You don't need a dedicated GPU to use any 3D desktop environment. |
| 12:50.11 | AquaL1te | amd and ati on linux... says it all |
| 12:50.27 | iwilcox | tensorpudding: DEs have three dimensions now? |
| 12:50.31 | AquaL1te | indeed, i run portal 2 on my intel hd4000 |
| 12:50.33 | Shadow_7 | I'm in a cold bedroom, because the desktop is off |
| 12:50.40 | tensorpudding | I meant 3D-accelerated. |
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| 12:50.59 | tensorpudding | Well that doesn't much matter. |
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| 12:54.14 | Shadow_7 | In the 1980s we have Vic-20s and Commodore 64s and eventually 4MHz IBM clones. At the late 1990s we were still barely 128MB RAM and 400MHz computers. |
| 12:54.39 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic .. |
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| 12:57.56 | Shadow_7 | Is there some reason that I have to use xinput to set emulate3button mode? The usual xorg.conf stuff doesn't seem to do anything anymore. |
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| 13:04.36 | vadim_ | Hello. Debian 7.6 |
| 13:04.41 | vadim_ | tomcat 7.0.28 |
| 13:04.44 | vadim_ | [pid 30620] futex(0x8eda54, FUTEX_WAIT_BITSET_PRIVATE|FUTEX_CLOCK_REALTIME, 1, {1405601481, 219546000}, ffffffff) = -1 ETIMEDOUT (Connection timed out) |
| 13:04.44 | vadim_ | [pid 30620] futex(0x8eda28, FUTEX_WAKE_PRIVATE, 1) = 0 |
| 13:04.44 | vadim_ | [pid 30620] futex(0x8eda54, FUTEX_WAIT_BITSET_PRIVATE|FUTEX_CLOCK_REALTIME, 1, {1405601481, 269961000}, ffffffff <unfinished ...> |
| 13:04.46 | vadim_ | [pid 30707] <... restart_syscall resumed> ) = -1 ETIMEDOUT (Connection timed out) |
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| 13:06.02 | vadim_ | http://paste.debian.net/110250/ |
| 13:06.49 | vadim_ | I see a lot of such messages in the strace of java process (tomcat 7.0.28) |
| 13:06.55 | vadim_ | is it ok ? |
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| 13:07.10 | vadim_ | cpu usage is low |
| 13:08.55 | bw_ | vadim_: do you randomly strace every process even if its working fine? ;) |
| 13:09.16 | jellow | Is it possible to downgrade to xorg-video-abi-13 on debian jessie to install fglrx-driver that depends on >13 or lower ? |
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| 13:12.36 | vadim_ | bw_: no :-) but after a while this java process stucks and stop respond to the requests. And i dont see anything in the log files. strace is the only thing that looks strange, as for me. |
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| 13:13.29 | AquaL1te | Shadow_7: just to show you how nice gnome 3 can be in fallback (rhel 7) http://worldofgnome.org/uploads/2013/06/classic-mode-383.png |
| 13:13.48 | AquaL1te | i'm off now :) |
| 13:14.28 | vadim_ | bw_: it's look like a leap second bug, but i think that it's not it |
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| 13:16.13 | thes | im trying to install this https://github.com/jgarzik/python-bitcoinrpc one of the steps to install is to edit the file and enter the directory of the python installation but i don't know where that i |
| 13:16.24 | thes | how can i find where the python directory is |
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| 13:17.01 | Shadow_7 | AquaL1te: such pixel waste. -32px on top and -32px on bottom? Making a 1080p display a 1014p display? Might as well call it 960p after you minus the title bar on the app. Rough estimate, but there's reasons we have choice. |
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| 13:17.25 | thes | im using python 2.7.3 |
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| 13:18.38 | Shadow_7 | thes: for which part of python? the *.py apps? |
| 13:19.10 | thes | Shadow_7: this is the installation instructions on git 'Installation: - change the first line of setup.py to point to the directory of your installation of python 2.* - run setup.py' |
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| 13:19.25 | bw_ | vadim_: hmm, sorry, no idea how tomcat usually behaves |
| 13:19.28 | thes | Shadow_7: so i don't know |
| 13:19.58 | Shadow_7 | thes: is there a default value for it? |
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| 13:20.30 | thes | Shadow_7: this is the first line in the file that needs to be edited '#!/usr/bin/env python' |
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| 13:21.27 | Shadow_7 | thes: That should work, although I'm on jessie and it has python 3.4 |
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| 13:21.56 | Shadow_7 | thes: looks like wheezy is 2.7 on my laptop. |
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| 13:22.49 | Shadow_7 | thes: are you trying to replace something that already exists in the repositories? |
| 13:23.18 | thes | Shadow_7: no i'm trying to install python-bitcoinrpc |
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| 13:24.31 | m_tadeu | Walex: still about packaging...do you know what this means? "dpkg-source: error: control doesn't list any binary package" |
| 13:24.50 | Shadow_7 | thes: is just running it failing to build/install? |
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| 13:25.46 | thes | Shadow_7: its actuall building now. but it wont install i dont have permission to create a folder. i have no root access |
| 13:25.54 | thes | Shadow_7: thanks for the help |
| 13:25.57 | AquaL1te | Shadow_7: gnome3 shell fixes that ;-) :P |
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| 13:27.08 | thes | Shadow_7: its trying to create '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/bitcoinrpc' but i don't have permission is there anyway around that? |
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| 13:29.57 | Shadow_7 | thes: you could mkdir and chown the destination. But that should only be relevant to make install, not a build. i.e. You should make locally as user, and hopefully use it from the /home/... location. |
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| 13:41.13 | redShadow | hi guys.. what would you recommend using to setup a small, internal-use, debian repo? |
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| 13:42.46 | redShadow | I mean, not a mirror, a private repo for some locally-generated packages for internal use |
| 13:42.48 | centrx | redShadow, apt-cacher is the simple way, it's not a repo though, it's a proxy |
| 13:42.56 | centrx | right |
| 13:43.27 | redShadow | you know, stuff like oracle java, nodejs, .. |
| 13:43.27 | centrx | redShadow, Look at apt-mirror |
| 13:43.44 | redShadow | centrx: isn't that just for mirrors..? |
| 13:43.46 | centrx | oh I don't know |
| 13:43.58 | centrx | you'r right |
| 13:44.00 | redShadow | (was reading https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository but I see there are quite a lot of tools..) |
| 13:44.32 | centrx | redShadow, Yes, if you are creating your own repo, the main point is putting the packages in the right directory structure really |
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| 13:44.59 | centrx | redShadow, The apt client is just visiting pages according to a certain directory structure, so you need to match that directory structure. |
| 13:45.29 | centrx | redShadow, Of course these tools automate all these |
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| 13:45.45 | redShadow | centrx: hm.. I guess that would work for "trivial" repositories, but I think "fully-featured" ones offer more features..? |
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| 13:46.00 | centrx | right yeah I was not suggesting doing it manually |
| 13:46.07 | redShadow | debarchiver seems promising |
| 13:46.44 | redShadow | AFAIK it would be possible to just put stuff in a ftp directory, but that's quite limiting.. |
| 13:47.19 | centrx | redShadow, People more knowledgeable on this subject will be on later. There may also be a Debian channel on OFTC dedicated to this type of thing |
| 13:48.08 | redShadow | hm.. let me check there.. |
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| 13:56.04 | wilfredor | I have a dependence problem http://pastebin.com/19WeS0e1 |
| 13:56.54 | centrx | wilfredor, What OS are you using? |
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| 13:57.21 | wilfredor | centrx: linux |
| 13:57.36 | centrx | wilfredor, Are you using the Mint distribution? |
| 13:57.45 | centrx | wilfredor, Or did you add Mint sources to your Debian configuration? |
| 13:57.51 | wilfredor | centrx: I am using a debian based distribution, yes |
| 13:58.02 | centrx | wilfredor, For Mint go to the Mint channel, I think it's #linuxmint |
| 13:58.03 | centrx | !mint |
| 13:58.03 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 13:58.04 | wilfredor | centrx: I added debian sources to configuration |
| 13:58.17 | wilfredor | centrx: I want transform mint to debian |
| 13:58.21 | centrx | wilfredor, Mixing Mint/Debian/Ubuntu is liable to cause problems |
| 13:58.26 | tensorpudding | Mixing and matching distro repositories *will* lead to problems and that is not supported by us. |
| 13:59.14 | centrx | wilfredor, Cool, note that is not a reliable thing to do and may cause things to break. The more stable path would be a re-install. That said, it is do-able. |
| 13:59.20 | centrx | Potentially that is |
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| 13:59.32 | wilfredor | centrx: I think so |
| 13:59.46 | wilfredor | centrx: maybe is more easy install from 0 |
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| 14:00.01 | centrx | wilfredor, you'll need to uninstall mint-related packages |
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| 14:00.33 | wilfredor | centrx: Thanks Sir |
| 14:00.38 | centrx | wilfredor, Yes, "transitioning" from Mint to Debian is not likely to work without spending a lot of time, if at all |
| 14:01.01 | wilfredor | centrx: Yes, I underestand |
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| 14:51.50 | vimel | this is just a comment from earlier. i agree with formorer. he said "(02:03:25 AM) formorer: if personally think this release pointing is nonsense. (02:08:13 AM) formorer: here are also devs. if the question can get answered here, it should get answered here." Depending on whos around and what the question is, versions do not always matter in this room and questions get answered regardless of debian version. other times people are inflexible and pass the b |
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| 15:12.51 | somiaj | croddy: I think you would have to invesigate the matter yourself (such as upgrading only a few packages) |
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| 15:13.31 | somiaj | croddy: another suggestion is run upgrade first (it won't allow you to add/remove pacakges) then run dist-upgrade second. The packge is being removed due to a dependency conflict that is created in the upgrade (or sometimes just removed because package names change). Is this on testing/sid? |
| 15:13.46 | croddy | yeah, it's on testing. thanks for the suggestion. |
| 15:14.21 | somiaj | well if core packages are being removed that you don't think should be, check the bts maybe it is a known bug (they happen quite often), and you can try to narrow it down to what package is causing the conflict |
| 15:14.35 | somiaj | and if you are mixing sources with testing then it is a lot hard of a problem |
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| 15:14.52 | croddy | well, i think it's probably likely that they "should" be, it's just that what i actually want disagrees slightly with what i said when i ran "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 15:37.05 | nagerst | Hi! i am reading on the debian wiki about mobile phones that can run debian and found that the Nexus 4 was listed as supported with Sailfish and cyanogenmod. Does it also run debian, and does booting debian require to load android before running debian? I do not like google and want an debian phone that can use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. |
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| 15:37.40 | armin | hi, i'm getting a no space left on device for a filesystem that is shown in df output as "rootfs 74G 62G 8.5G 88% /" (use 88%) - any hint what i'm missing |
| 15:37.44 | armin | ? |
| 15:38.28 | SuperNull | what is claiming no space? |
| 15:38.34 | armin | touch moo |
| 15:38.37 | SuperNull | could be a failing drive.. |
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| 15:38.50 | SuperNull | does mount show it as rw ? |
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| 15:39.16 | armin | yup |
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| 15:39.27 | SuperNull | any oddities in dmesg? |
| 15:39.29 | SynrGy | nagerst: see #cyanogenmod ... you can run CM without GApps if you simply don't like Google |
| 15:39.29 | armin | and i see nothing for the drive in syslog/dmesg |
| 15:39.31 | armin | no |
| 15:39.34 | SuperNull | hmmm |
| 15:39.52 | SuperNull | i know it might not be convienent but did ya try a reboot ? |
| 15:39.57 | SuperNull | just to see if that does anything? |
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| 15:40.20 | nagerst | Synchunk: i do not want android at all on the phone |
| 15:40.31 | SynrGy | nagerst: tab-completion fail |
| 15:40.42 | SynrGy | nagerst: I don't know any way to do that. sorry |
| 15:40.54 | nagerst | Is there any phone that can run debian natively? |
| 15:41.05 | SynrGy | i don't know. see http://wiki.debian.org/Mobile |
| 15:41.27 | armin | SuperNull: ah, now i see. all inodes are being occupied. |
| 15:41.31 | SynrGy | nexus4 might be able to. all i said was i don't know any way to do that |
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| 15:42.09 | SynrGy | i.e. i am not all-knowing :) |
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| 15:47.28 | SuperNull | armin good find. |
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| 15:49.42 | reepeecheep | Hello |
| 15:49.49 | reepeecheep | I need help |
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| 15:50.51 | reepeecheep | I use KDE and the speed of my mouse is slow, I did increassed but the changes only occurs after Login |
| 15:51.17 | reepeecheep | In KDM screen is slowly :( |
| 15:51.29 | reepeecheep | Sorry 4 my poor English |
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| 15:51.37 | ars23 | hi guys! |
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| 15:54.15 | ars23 | can someone help me with a problem? I can't connect to DSL wired network anymore! |
| 15:54.35 | jhutchins | ars23: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
| 15:55.32 | ars23 | ok, the problem is simple... I try to connect to my internet connection from GUI... and it seems that it cannot require address... |
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| 15:57.44 | ars23 | i can only connect via mobile broadband... |
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| 16:02.17 | rasc | I had a problem like this yesterday with network manager, it was mixing the configuration of static and dhcp methods, seens to be a bug |
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| 16:02.42 | rasc | try to do a totally manual config, see if it helps |
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| 16:02.57 | ars23 | ok rasc, i'll try! thanks! |
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| 16:03.48 | rasc | my computer at home is with manual configuration because it would use the default route of the manual config even when I told it to get it via dhcp |
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| 16:04.49 | gribouille | hi |
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| 16:05.17 | gribouille | why can't I join #debian-next? |
| 16:05.48 | rasc | did you try it here or at oftc? |
| 16:06.01 | Shadow_7 | gribouille: OFTC is a different irc network. |
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| 16:06.42 | gribouille | Shadow_7, what is OFTC? |
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| 16:07.00 | Shadow_7 | an irc server other than freenode |
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| 16:09.39 | DacFarren | Hi... why haproxy is removed from the jessie distro? |
| 16:09.51 | rasc | .v haproxy |
| 16:09.55 | rasc | ,v haproxy |
| 16:09.56 | judd | Package: haproxy on i386 -- squeeze: 1.4.8-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.4.8-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 1.4.25-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 1.4.25-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.5.1-1; sid: 1.5.2-1 |
| 16:10.12 | rasc | it's not? |
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| 16:11.33 | DacFarren | uff... thanks. |
| 16:12.05 | rasc | DacFarren: what is your problem, exactly? |
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| 16:12.57 | DacFarren | I saw that now... im running debian containers... the host is jessie... but the guests are wheezy... did not realize I have to use the backports |
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| 16:14.08 | DacFarren | anyway look into debian.net and didnt have a haproxy installation for haproxy, then I asked here.. |
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| 16:15.18 | DacFarren | didnt realize the guest was wheezy too. |
| 16:15.46 | sandman13 | what is kfreebsd? |
| 16:16.05 | sandman13 | oh wait |
| 16:16.17 | sandman13 | let me message "dpkg" first |
| 16:16.19 | rasc | dpkg tell sandman13 -about kfreebsd |
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| 16:18.36 | lolihunter_ | hello i have a big problem, after i have setup my nvidia driver on debian on my laptop, at the boot i get a ahcp_keyfake modeprobe uinput error (red, failed) and now my keyboard and mouse dont work, how can i fix it? |
| 16:18.56 | rasc | can you change your nick? it bothers me |
| 16:19.28 | rasc | where did you got those nvidia drivers? |
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| 16:20.07 | lolihunter_ | from the officlia site an dbecaus emy nickname, dont worry it means from an normal anime called MM! the big fight machois vs the lolihunter |
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| 16:20.47 | rasc | the nvidia oficial site? |
| 16:20.50 | lolihunter_ | yes |
| 16:20.58 | rasc | we don't support those |
| 16:21.03 | gogogadgeto | what could be the problem if "gvfs-mount -s gphoto2" is working but not with sudo? |
| 16:21.34 | lolihunter_ | [FAIL] Starting acpi_fakekey daemon ... failed (modprobe uinput failed. Please use 'dmesg' to find out why) |
| 16:21.40 | lolihunter_ | this i get |
| 16:22.16 | lolihunter_ | no the problem starten after it because some gcc error |
| 16:22.53 | lolihunter_ | because the official nvidia driver checks the gcc version and says the kernal since 2.6 reject modules if the version is not the same |
| 16:23.06 | rasc | try thes ones: https://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-driver |
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| 16:23.12 | rasc | these* |
| 16:23.20 | lolihunter_ | now i dont get keyboard or mouse support because uinput faild to load |
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| 16:26.51 | rasc | lolihunter_: reinstall and then try the debian packages, we won't help with the packages from nvidia |
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| 16:33.44 | Halexander9000 | Can some please help me set my resolution to 1024 by 768 using my Intel HD4600 iGPU? |
| 16:34.16 | somiaj | Halexander9000: is this decreasing the resolution or is xorg not correctly detecting a higher resolution than say 800x600? |
| 16:34.23 | Shadow_7 | Halexander9000: does xrandr show that as an option? |
| 16:34.23 | somiaj | Halexander9000: also what desktop envoirment do you run? |
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| 16:37.00 | Halexander9000 | My Default resolution is 1600 by 1200 after a recent kernel update. |
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| 16:38.10 | Halexander9000 | It says something about "Failed to get size of gamma for output default" when I try to change it with xrandr. |
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| 16:38.48 | Shadow_7 | Halexander9000: but it shows the current and maybe other resolutions? |
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| 16:39.28 | Halexander9000 | xrandr show my added mode for the 1024 by 768, but it can't apply it due to the mentioned error message. |
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| 16:40.08 | Halexander9000 | it also says that both it's minimum, current and maximum for Screen 0 are 1600 by 1200 |
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| 16:40.32 | Halexander9000 | Default is conected. |
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| 16:41.16 | Shadow_7 | Halexander9000: there's a label assigned to the display at the top. So the command to change modes would be something like ... $ xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x768 |
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| 16:44.06 | Halexander9000 | Screen 0? |
| 16:44.40 | somiaj | Halexander9000: they start counting at 0 |
| 16:44.46 | somiaj | so your first screen is Screen 0 |
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| 16:45.32 | Halexander9000 | If I try it, it just shows me the command list. |
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| 16:47.14 | somiaj | Halexander9000: to me the issue is more the fact that the driver/xrandr is not detecting the resolution as valid. What version of debian are you running, what ugprade did you do that made it so you weren't able to change your resolution anyremo? |
| 16:49.09 | Halexander9000 | I didn't try changing the resolution before because it was fine. Updated the kernel of my Crunchbang to the latest but I can't remember which. Is there a command to find out? |
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| 16:49.34 | Halexander9000 | The kernel update was needed for the wifi adapter to function. |
| 16:49.42 | Shadow_7 | Halexander9000: try $ xrandr -s 1024x768 |
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| 16:50.28 | Halexander9000 | Now it says that "1024x768 not found in available modes" |
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| 16:51.49 | Shadow_7 | was 1024x768 listed in the default output of xrandr? |
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| 16:52.15 | somiaj | Halexander9000: please go get support from Crunchbang, if an upgrade they did made it so you no longer can detect the correct modes of your graphic card is not a #debian issue |
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| 16:52.18 | somiaj | !crunchbang |
| 16:52.18 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 16:54.12 | Shadow_7 | Halexander9000: you might also $ grep -i "mode" /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:56.27 | Halexander9000 | What's the relevant bit of information in that command output, Shadow_7 ? |
| 16:58.14 | somiaj | Halexander9000: as I said this is not the place, go use crunchbang support and see if they can help you figure out what changed in thekernel upgrade so resolutions are not being detected correctly. This is not a #debian issue and you need to find correct support from your distro of choice. |
| 16:58.16 | Shadow_7 | Halexander9000: if 1024x768 is listed. Otherwise #cruchbank |
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| 16:59.33 | Shadow_7 | Although my pi has basically the same issue. Although I don't expect it not to. Only one mode, ways to change it if a reboot is done. *sigh* |
| 17:00.02 | paxcoder | hello. I'm trying to make lean my system, and I've noticed /usr/locale weighs 210 MB. Do I need all of those since I'm only using a couple? What's the right way to remove others if possible? |
| 17:00.25 | Halexander9000 | Understood smiaj. Thanks Shadow_7 |
| 17:00.29 | somiaj | Shadow_7: kernel driver/edid I think is what is used to determine the modes, it should be rare you have to manually add them. |
| 17:00.44 | somiaj | Halexander9000: my blanket suggestion is downgrade to the kernel that works, and report a bug against the kernel you upgraded to. |
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| 17:01.08 | Shadow_7 | somiaj: the RPi is a bit hardcoded. The GPU apparently boots the thing and other quirks. |
| 17:01.10 | somiaj | paxcoder: it should only generate the ones you need, 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' only select the ones you need. |
| 17:01.33 | somiaj | paxcoder: sometimes people just select them all to generate when installing. |
| 17:01.48 | paxcoder | somiaj: i didn't |
| 17:02.28 | somiaj | paxcoder: anyways, run that reconfigure command, go though and unlesect any you don't need |
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| 17:03.01 | paxcoder | somiaj: did, and as i've expected, only one locale thingy is selected |
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| 17:05.19 | somiaj | paxcoder: are you sure on the path /usr/locale, that dones't seem to be where debian puts it. |
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| 17:06.21 | caraconan | Hi there. There's any tool/howto to permanently mount a TLS FTP remote server? At the moment I have curlftpfs. Thanks |
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| 17:07.18 | paxcoder | somiaj: So, on the second screen (after selecting UTF-8 locale thingy), I've selected the appropriate locale to be "default". Previously "none" was selected. No change though. 210 MB |
| 17:07.33 | paxcoder | somiaj: sorry, /usr/share/locale |
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| 17:07.38 | somiaj | paxcoder: I also notice I have that much space being used in /usr/share/locale |
| 17:07.48 | paxcoder | :/ it's a lot |
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| 17:08.05 | somiaj | I guess I don't notice it, but yea not sure if you can limit it or not, might be the minimial you need |
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| 17:08.43 | paxcoder | I don't know why I'd need french and finnish LC_MESSAGES |
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| 17:08.45 | paxcoder | (etc) |
| 17:10.39 | somiaj | yea I thought the idea was the package only generated the ones you wanted, not sure what all the extra stuff there is |
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| 17:11.43 | somiaj | when I do a dpkg -S /usr/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/ I get a lot of packages own files in there, it could be that it is just other packages putting in its locale info that has added up between all the packages you have installed |
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| 17:12.27 | Shadow_7 | the locales packages seems to include most of them |
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| 17:13.48 | paxcoder | i'm trying out localepurge utility now |
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| 17:14.50 | paxcoder | nope |
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| 17:15.25 | paxcoder | ... |
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| 17:15.33 | Shadow_7 | the /etc/locale.alias pretty much lists all of them on my system. trim it down? |
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| 17:16.35 | Shadow_7 | seems like /etc/locale.gen modifications and run locale-gen might help? |
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| 17:17.14 | paxcoder | Shadow_7: in the latter, everything but desired locale is commented out |
| 17:17.36 | paxcoder | still, uk, fr, etc persist |
| 17:17.51 | paxcoder | (on the disk) |
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| 17:19.27 | rasc | do you have locales-all installed? |
| 17:19.31 | paxcoder | no |
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| 17:19.56 | paxcoder | however, i do have locales |
| 17:20.26 | paxcoder | but apt-get remove that only says it'd free 18MB |
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| 17:21.05 | somiaj | paxcoder: if you want to test something, I say tell dpkg-reconfigure locales to generate another set of locales (pick one) see if the size of the directory goes up. It could be that the stuff there is just what is needed to generate locales and is being put there from different packages. That is what I"m seeing. |
| 17:21.30 | somiaj | correct, I bet those files are owned and put there by other packges. debian packages put in lots of various things for menus/locales/etc that are used with the package. |
| 17:21.47 | rasc | for me it seens that packages install their messages here, these aren't being generated |
| 17:21.49 | somiaj | but what I'm seeing is all the files you are talking about are actually owned by other files |
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| 17:22.06 | somiaj | sorry other packages, they are not the actually locales, only the messages |
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| 17:22.13 | paxcoder | somiaj: "owned"? |
| 17:22.25 | paxcoder | still, why are they there? |
| 17:22.33 | Shadow_7 | somiaj: probably did an apt-get remove locales and /usr/share/locale/ is still 260Mb |
| 17:22.47 | rasc | because the programs installed them there |
| 17:23.04 | somiaj | paxcoder: all files a deb puts on your machine are owned by a package, you can do dpkg -S path/to/file to see whhich package owns that file |
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| 17:23.28 | somiaj | you will see all the files you are talking about are owned by the other packages on our system as they come with the locale messages already genrerated for tha tpaticular package (But the locales are not generated) |
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| 17:23.35 | paxcoder | somiaj: alrighty then... |
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| 17:23.57 | paxcoder | so they really are generated by the apps they're for |
| 17:24.05 | paxcoder | (packages of the apps..) |
| 17:24.28 | somiaj | they are not generated, they are provided by the apps so you can get correct locale messages from that app. You still need to generate the locales for them to work. |
| 17:24.28 | paxcoder | even though the system doesn't use those locales |
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| 17:25.12 | paxcoder | somiaj: yeah, not totally clear what locales are then |
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| 17:25.50 | paxcoder | but anyway, this bloat sucks |
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| 17:26.54 | somiaj | paxcoder: the only way to get around this is compile your own custom packages for everything, but debian packages are provided to contain info for all the langauges they support. To most 200megs is not worth worrying about, maybe people who are use to installing/configure debian on embeded minimial systems might have some advice. But most do not worry about an extra meg or so per package to ensure all the files are already there. |
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| 17:27.18 | somiaj | again these are just the program specific messages, they are not the locales themselves. Those even take up more space. |
| 17:27.46 | rasc | the bigger ones have separate locales in many packages, but that is a lot of work |
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| 17:28.09 | paxcoder | somiaj: again, don't know what locales are then. |
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| 17:28.59 | paxcoder | rasc: alright, but why unpack messages for languages that aren't used on the system? pull them if and when the corresponding locales are generated. |
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| 17:29.32 | rasc | doing that separation requires work, and the mainteiner can't be bothered to do it |
| 17:29.36 | Shadow_7 | paxcoder: mostly charsets for unicode stuff (i.e. ascii chars are two bytes). So you can use fonts for languages other than english. Or I could be wrong |
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| 17:30.04 | paxcoder | rasc: see above |
| 17:30.04 | somiaj | paxcoder: as he said it would be a lot of work to split up the messages into multiple packages that only get pulled in if you have certain settings. This would be a lot of work for very little gain |
| 17:30.26 | paxcoder | Shadow_7: no need for multiple packages, just selective unpacking |
| 17:30.37 | somiaj | and Shadow_7 is correct, the locales are the actually characters as well as the settings. The programs themselves still have to provided the messages/errors in the languages used. That is different than the characters used to write the language. |
| 17:30.39 | rasc | the package management doesn't do it this way, it isn't so dynamic |
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| 17:31.19 | Shadow_7 | paxcoder: localepurge seems to do the selective unpacking, but can potentially break systems. |
| 17:31.37 | paxcoder | rasc: if no other way, post installation triggers could remove them, right? |
| 17:31.55 | paxcoder | speaking of removing, wonder what would happen if i did it manually |
| 17:32.02 | rasc | lot of work for no gain, again |
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| 17:32.29 | somiaj | but each matainer would have to write that into the post install script, and it would cause more trouble than needed. Again most people do not worry about 200megs of space being used (over hundereds of packages) |
| 17:32.55 | rasc | you can ask people used to embeded people beforehand, they could know |
| 17:32.57 | somiaj | paxcoder: you would confuse apt/dpkg. The files would be replaced during upgrades, and during removes/uninstalls you may get lots of warnings/errors that files are missing. |
| 17:33.18 | paxcoder | somiaj: or it could be generated automatically, along with other boilerplate stuf |
| 17:33.20 | paxcoder | *stuff |
| 17:33.47 | somiaj | there is #debian-embedded on irc.oftc.net and http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian |
| 17:33.54 | somiaj | they may have a standard solution for this |
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| 17:34.03 | paxcoder | somiaj: i'm sure the package system is smarter than that |
| 17:34.05 | somiaj | paxcoder: these are not generated messages, they are translated. |
| 17:34.13 | paxcoder | somiaj: thanks |
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| 17:34.48 | rasc | paxcoder: not quite that smart yet, i'm afraid |
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| 17:35.34 | paxcoder | rasc: do you think so or do you know so? |
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| 17:36.00 | Shadow_7 | paxcoder: if you back it up you probably could. and dpkg-reconfigure locales could generate just the ones you use. But as somiaj said, updates and upgrades with replace them slowly but surely. |
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| 17:36.19 | rasc | there's procedure in the references for spliting these things when they are bigger and a problem for more people |
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| 17:37.01 | Shadow_7 | not that big of an issue for most things modern as 32GB cards are < $20 these days. |
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| 17:37.25 | rasc | for embedded, it is |
| 17:37.25 | paxcoder | Shadow_7: i'd be surprised if the system really can't be selective. But as a hack to shut the warnings up, ti could trim files rather than removing them. But - a hack. |
| 17:37.45 | rasc | look up how it is done with iceweasel, for example |
| 17:37.59 | Shadow_7 | embedded these days is getting to be 4GB nand and 2GB RAM. |
| 17:38.10 | rasc | there's 1 package for each locale, and you install the ones you want |
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| 17:38.32 | biketron | Hey, i figured out an Problem with samba. We have an WinS2008 with some shares. During an connection with samba3 works without problems the samba4 client isn't able to connect (TimeOut). Is there any known fix for this (please do not tell me to backport xD) |
| 17:38.57 | paxcoder | rasc: thanks, but i'm aware of that, no need to keep bringing it up. |
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| 17:39.05 | somiaj | just what I don't want, a nother million and half packages to keep track of. Again this is probably an issue people on enbedded systems have a standard solution for. Look it up. As it stands I think there is more to creating the message files than a generation script. If that is all it was it would probabaly be implemented that way. |
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| 17:39.50 | vexati0n | clear |
| 17:39.54 | somiaj | I bet there has been various hours put in creating decent translations of the error messages. |
| 17:39.59 | vexati0n | stupid slashes |
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| 17:42.23 | rasc | biketron: samba4 uses more ports, did you change the firewall? |
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| 17:48.17 | meek_geek | sup |
| 17:48.29 | meek_geek | sup |
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| 17:49.01 | viccuad | i/c |
| 17:49.03 | paxcoder | meek_geek: pong |
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| 17:49.17 | meek_geek | paxcoder, how r u |
| 17:49.18 | paxcoder | meek_geek: next time you can /msg dpkg ping |
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| 17:51.49 | NGC3982 | Hi. I need help with starting the telldusd daemon in Raspbian on my pi. I'm using the guide for Tellstick on RPI (http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Tellstick_core), and it tells me to start the daemon with "sudo service telldusd start". |
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| 17:51.54 | NGC3982 | While doing so, i get the "start-stop-daemon: --start needs --exec or --startas" error message. I try to read the --help section, but i don't understand how to implement it and start the daemon. |
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| 17:52.05 | NGC3982 | I guess Raspian == Debian, in daemon sense. |
| 17:52.21 | jmcnaught | NGC3982: no, Raspian is not suppported here, only Debian |
| 17:52.30 | meek_geek | paxcoder, ok? |
| 17:52.47 | jmcnaught | !raspian |
| 17:52.47 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 17:52.48 | paxcoder | meek_geek: a little creeped out by you, otherwise ok |
| 17:53.14 | NGC3982 | jmcnaught: Yes, i know. Although, i thought i'd give it a shot since it does not seem to be any difference regarding my issue. Although, ill return to #raspian. :) |
| 17:53.39 | meek_geek | paxcoder, awesome :] what did i do man ? |
| 17:54.09 | rasc | we were just talking with that guy long enough about his locales, I feel raspbian is an exception, isn't it? |
| 17:54.09 | paxcoder | meek_geek: just the above |
| 17:54.49 | Shadow_7 | You can run debian armel on raspberry pi. I'm doing it right now actually... uptime 10 days |
| 17:54.56 | jmcnaught | rasc: the word of dpkg is law. maybe that person was using proper Debian? |
| 17:55.14 | meek_geek | ok |
| 17:55.38 | meek_geek | debian is slower on my laptop than xubuntu 14 |
| 17:55.39 | rasc | with the binary distribution or do you have to cross compile it youself? |
| 17:55.58 | paxcoder | rasc: speaking of things not gladly supported by some in this channel, was #debian-next incorporated into #debian? |
| 17:55.59 | biketron | rasc: there is no way to edit the firewall for me |
| 17:56.24 | rasc | #debian-next is over at OFTC, you should ask there |
| 17:56.33 | Shadow_7 | The #debian-next is on the OFTC irc server |
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| 17:56.41 | paxcoder | meek_geek: because of the GUI? |
| 17:57.05 | paxcoder | Shadow_7: so at #debian on OFTC it's OT? ;-) |
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| 17:57.57 | Shadow_7 | I join channels manually and that's not one I join over there. |
| 17:57.57 | jmcnaught | paxcoder: some people are willing to answer jessie/unstable questions here, but personally i think it's best to ask them in #debian-next on oftc. |
| 17:58.18 | rasc | paxcoder: the people that make testing are over there, they know the system better |
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| 17:58.29 | meek_geek | paxcoder, no man I am using xfce only |
| 17:58.53 | paxcoder | meek_geek: weird |
| 17:58.55 | rasc | biketron: so it won't work |
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| 17:59.33 | rasc | biketron: well, maybe, you need to test, try getting some banners |
| 17:59.34 | biketron | rasc: discussting it should be |
| 17:59.35 | meek_geek | paxcoder, image viewer and pdf viewer is 150 percent slower |
| 17:59.41 | paxcoder | is there a way to make apt not keep a cache? |
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| 18:00.11 | biketron | rasc: some backward compatibillity should be implemented |
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| 18:00.23 | rasc | paxcoder: put a cleaning job for the apt cache in cron |
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| 18:01.03 | paxcoder | rasc: what's he command? also, will apt-cache be rendered non-functional then? |
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| 18:01.45 | rasc | biketron: you need to see what you need to change in the configs, I don't know that |
| 18:01.48 | snauty | hello, iam running kde on debian sid and after last update the hibernate button is gone. "qdbus --system org.freedesktop.login1 /org/freedesktop/login1 org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanHibernate" returns "yes" |
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| 18:02.38 | biketron | rasc: yeah i think i have to figure it out myself.... but in an optimal way this should be done automatically :D |
| 18:02.40 | rasc | paxcoder: sudo apt-get clean |
| 18:02.59 | rasc | biketron: samba is a montruosity alredy, please no |
| 18:03.01 | jmcnaught | paxcoder: if you're talking about the deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ it's "apt-get clean" or autoclean (man apt-get to see the difference) |
| 18:03.14 | jhutchins | snauty: Welcome to sid! |
| 18:03.57 | rasc | sid is so much fun right now |
| 18:04.25 | snauty | jhutchins: thanks :) i know, dont complain when running sid but maybe anyone in here has the same prob and solution ;) |
| 18:05.03 | jmcnaught | snauty: if nobody here knows you should try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is the official testing/unstable channel |
| 18:05.34 | snauty | jmcnaught: ok. thx |
| 18:06.33 | paxcoder | jmcnaught, thanks. actually, there are configuration options, i just don't know which one i want yet |
| 18:06.56 | rasc | paxcoder: if you clean the cache, apt-cache will use what is left, the cache of package metadata |
| 18:07.52 | paxcoder | rasc: yes, there are options like Dir::Cache::archives (note the archive part), but man apt.conf goes on to talk about pkgcache and srcpkgcache there, so i'm confused |
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| 18:08.58 | jmcnaught | paxcoder: maybe look for it in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
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| 18:10.54 | rasc | paxcoder: http://ask.xmodulo.com/disable-apt-cache-debian-ubuntu.html |
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| 18:11.42 | paxcoder | thanks, will try that |
| 18:13.32 | tensorpudding | Where can I find a list of past and present official Debian wallpapers? |
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| 18:25.33 | gabboman | Hi, how do I setup postfix to send mail to all the internerd? |
| 18:25.48 | jhutchins | tensorpudding: Thered's a debian art site iirc. |
| 18:26.12 | jhutchins | gabboman: Start by reading the postfix docs. |
| 18:26.16 | jhutchins | !postfix |
| 18:26.16 | dpkg | Postfix is a <MTA> originally created as an alternative to <sendmail>. It aims to be fast, secure, easy to administer and (relatively) sendmail compatible. Receiving "no mechanism available" with SASL when used as a SMTP client? Install the suggested libsasl2-modules package. Kyle Dent's Postfix FAQ: http://www.seaglass.com/postfix/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix http://www.postfix.org/ #postfix on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:26.31 | rryoumaa` | my exim paniclog keep saying "group mail was not found". but i have group mail (gid = 8) and /etc/group is readable. what gives? |
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| 18:33.23 | augusto | ciao |
| 18:33.26 | augusto | !list |
| 18:33.27 | dpkg | augusto: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
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| 18:33.50 | LordDeath | is an update like the recent one for eglibc a reason to reboot the system? |
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| 18:34.33 | oinkers | There an accurate howto on how to prevent screen blanking for debian wheezy amd64 desktop pc? |
| 18:35.05 | oinkers | or how i can prevent screen blanking |
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| 18:35.19 | heurist | LordDeath: generally it will will tell you if you need to reboot. However, if you are unsure rebooting is the wisest move. |
| 18:35.51 | mtn | oinkers: which desktop? |
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| 18:36.02 | jmcnaught | LordDeath: the debian-goodies package has a checkrestart command you might find useful |
| 18:36.31 | oinkers | gnome |
| 18:36.47 | LordDeath | jmcnaught: I use it every single time after upgrading packages and afair it never mentioned a process running with old versions of a file |
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| 18:37.04 | mtn | oinkers: system settings --> Power |
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| 18:37.25 | heurist | LordDeath: reboot is not really a thing in Linux. |
| 18:37.26 | augusto | ciao |
| 18:37.29 | augusto | !list |
| 18:37.29 | dpkg | augusto: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 18:37.42 | LordDeath | heurist: kernel updates? |
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| 18:38.07 | heurist | LordDeath: only sometimes, and not really on stable. |
| 18:38.16 | KaaK | i'm looking for a one-liner to determine if NTP is syncronized. Something with a script-friendly 1/0 exit code |
| 18:38.25 | oinkers | under brightness and screen lock only options from 1 minute to 1 hour to prevent screen from blanking mtn and I have read a lot of howto's from google non of which work |
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| 18:38.51 | mtn | oinkers: do you mean under Power? |
| 18:39.20 | oinkers | correct yes |
| 18:39.55 | heurist | KaaK: nptdc -p |
| 18:40.15 | mtn | oinkers: hmm. not sure that version has the option to set it to never. newer versions of gnome do. |
| 18:41.24 | oinkers | ahh ok I appreciate it mtn I'll have to keep looking |
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| 18:42.34 | Tazmain | hi all, I am having some issues with network manager. I would leave my laptop on during the day and when I come back the wifi would have disconnected and I have to turn off the wifi and on again and then it refuses to connect and keeps asking me for a password. How do I fix this / |
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| 18:43.45 | hellyeah | what is the last situtation od debian |
| 18:44.59 | heurist | oinkers: xset s noblank dpms 0 0 0 |
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| 18:45.53 | mtn | Tazmain: sounds like something your router is doing. don't you usually need a network password? |
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| 18:47.20 | oinkers | what file heurist? |
| 18:47.49 | heurist | oinkers: command, but you can put it in a script that runs. |
| 18:48.03 | oinkers | ahh ok |
| 18:48.23 | oinkers | trying that right now |
| 18:48.36 | oinkers | thanks |
| 18:49.00 | juveniz | is there a way to see the contents of the masquerade table? |
| 18:49.20 | heurist | juveniz: iptables-save |
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| 18:50.17 | formorer | juveniz: do you mean the iptables rules or the expectation table? |
| 18:50.36 | juveniz | the dynamic table that is generated for each masqueraded connection |
| 18:50.39 | juveniz | not the rules |
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| 18:51.17 | formorer | juveniz: install the conntrack tool and do conntrack -L |
| 18:51.23 | KaaK | heurist, that gives me great info when connected, but even after several minutes of no internet, it still reported remote peers, and gave me a 0 exit code |
| 18:51.35 | juveniz | formorer: thank you! I'll try that. |
| 18:51.36 | oinkers | no luck heurist |
| 18:51.44 | oinkers | screen went blank |
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| 18:51.59 | heurist | oinkers: then gnome it overriging it, sorry |
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| 18:53.06 | oinkers | k |
| 18:54.07 | oinkers | i still have a couple things to try. thanks though heurist I appreciate it |
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| 18:56.45 | Tazmain | It keeps asking for the password I have entered over and over and its only this machine |
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| 19:14.51 | Tazmain | Hi all, after a day or so I get disconnected from the wifi network and then when I click on netowkr manager there are no wireless accesspoints listsed. If I then turn off the wifi and on I keep getting asked for the same password for my wifi network I was connected on previously |
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| 19:18.00 | spacemeld | Are there significant benefits in using 32-bit for lower memory configs at this time? I know 64-bit takes up more room and 32-bit will be phased out at some point -- not sure if the time has come yet. |
| 19:18.30 | saleem | can someone please link me to sources.list for debian testing? |
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| 19:19.56 | saleem | !sources.list |
| 19:19.57 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 19:20.42 | saleem | !jessie |
| 19:20.42 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>. |
| 19:20.54 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell saleem -about selftell |
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| 19:21.58 | saleem | jmcnaught, thanks but i gues dpkg won`t tell me about sources.list for testing |
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| 19:22.57 | jmcnaught | saleem: it did tell you about #debian-next though :) |
| 19:23.18 | saleem | yes but thats invite only :( |
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| 19:24.01 | superbia | by default, how can i make my debian installer find driver for my wifi card |
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| 19:24.06 | Brigo | saleem, in oftc server |
| 19:24.07 | jmcnaught | saleem: if you're just looking to get newer versions of some packages, you should consider wheezy-backports. Testing breaks from time to time. Right now Jessie cannot install nvidia/fglrx proprietary drivers for example |
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| 19:24.47 | spacemeld | Are there significant benefits in using 32-bit for lower memory configs at this time? I know 64-bit takes up more room and 32-bit will be phased out at some point -- not sure if the time has come yet. |
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| 19:26.37 | Cpuroast | spacemeld: nah, 64bit on anything that has a 64bit CPU |
| 19:26.43 | saleem | jmcnaught, yes it happened to me already i installed one of testing based fork and nvidia did not work for me i was forced to use vesa |
| 19:27.16 | spacemeld | Cpuroast: alright, thanks! |
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| 19:28.35 | jmcnaught | saleem: well you can always use nouveau. or if you don't like dealing with random surprises like this that's sort of the whole point of Debian Stable. |
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| 19:31.28 | saleem | jmcnaught, debian stable is the best option i know that but i am trying to get as much working as possible testing because i want to make a backup snapshot iso of my installed system with a third party tool which only works on testing, this is risky with testing might breaking but just wanted to give it a try |
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| 19:33.19 | jmcnaught | saleem: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting you could look here for more info. Note that it's recommend to use the release codename in sources.list instead of "testing" like this wiki page suggests. #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (hint: not part of freenode) is perhaps a better place to get support with testing |
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| 19:34.06 | jmcnaught | saleem: alternatively if it's just one tool you want a new version of, look for it in wheezy-backports, or "/msg dpkg ssb" for instructions on how to backport a package yourself |
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| 19:35.28 | gnat_x | is it possible to have serial redirection without turning off output to tty1? |
| 19:35.34 | saleem | jmcnaught : oh thanks for this info i rather thought using testing than release codename was more correct method, thanks for pointing me the real fact |
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| 19:36.15 | gnat_x | i'm having trouble making that happen. my ideal is two serial (one is ipmi ethernet deal, and the other is traditional 9 pin), as well as vga. |
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| 19:36.59 | gnat_x | i have my serial lines in some state of working; though i the handoff from grub to the kernel seems wonky, but that may be redraw issuess. |
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| 19:38.16 | saleem | i was planning to use these sources http://pastie.org/9400832 i will modify it with putting jessie instead of testing |
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| 19:40.07 | jmcnaught | saleem: i don't use jessie myself, so my only feedback is that you use a mirror instead of the primary repo. and that #debian-next probably has better advice :) |
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| 19:41.17 | saleem | jmcnaught : ii will join this channel now thanks for helping me upto this level :) |
| 19:42.50 | jhutchins | Does a simple "echo" statement in an init script get init/upstart to write to the console? |
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| 19:46.29 | meek_geek | yo |
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| 19:47.53 | bodom | Hi there! Has the "business card" install image been removed? |
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| 19:49.50 | somiaj | bodom: I think it is still there, any reason the netisntall won't work for you as that is prefered |
| 19:50.23 | rasc | bodom: yes, it never semmed to work well and had very few users was the explanation, i think |
| 19:50.48 | bodom | somiaj: ehm... I only have a 128Mb USB stick at the moment :) |
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| 19:50.57 | somiaj | bodom: I think they call it the netboot image now. |
| 19:50.58 | jhutchins | Business card CDs are pretty old hat these days. |
| 19:51.34 | bodom | rasc: ouch... thank you. So I cna stop seraching. I was one of these few users :( |
| 19:51.42 | rasc | hey, |
| 19:51.57 | rasc | i think netboot will fit in your usb stick |
| 19:52.25 | bodom | it's 222Mb. I'll try to use it anyway and see what happens :D |
| 19:53.05 | Lope | if I run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, and then I want to do apt-get install ... should I do another update before the install? |
| 19:53.34 | bodom | Lope: it depends on how many time passed, i suppose |
| 19:53.40 | rasc | if you just updated, no you don't |
| 19:54.15 | Lope | okay, what if the dist-upgrade changed the sources? possible? |
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| 19:54.44 | somiaj | Lope: also depends on what version of debian, stable should work for the most part. If the install errors out wiht a 404 then update again. |
| 19:54.48 | rasc | then you have to update |
| 19:55.00 | bodom | Lope: improbable. You'll get just a download error anyway |
| 19:55.06 | somiaj | for the most part dist-upgrade should not be changing your sources unless you have strange third party mirrors that want to do that. |
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| 19:55.43 | Lope | ok |
| 19:55.54 | rasc | we do it here where i'm at, it points to the local archive |
| 19:56.23 | bodom | Lope: generally speaking, in my experience apt/dpkg are VERY robust. It is hard to screw them and even when it happens hacking for a while on /var/lib/dpkg can fix anything |
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| 19:58.45 | miko | If i copy a dvd image on a usb stick (as descriped by https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html ) it does not boot. |
| 19:59.12 | Lope | thanks bodom |
| 19:59.17 | rasc | miko: are you sure you computer can boot from usb? |
| 19:59.25 | miko | I'm quite suprised it should, as there are tools convert a iso image to a usb image |
| 19:59.40 | miko | yes, the ubuntu image, written with create-usb does work |
| 19:59.51 | bodom | miko: i've just brutally copied one with dd and it booted |
| 19:59.52 | miko | unfortuanlly it crashes with a debian image |
| 20:00.03 | rasc | debian images are hybrid, is it a recent one? |
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| 20:00.21 | miko | The latest debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 20:00.47 | miko | What kind of bootloader should i expect? Grub or sysiso? |
| 20:01.05 | Lope | I want to install a lot of apt packages in a script. I've separated them into different groups: like so: apt-get install blah1 blah2 ; apt-get install blah3 blah4 blah5 etc. I need a way to alert myself if something fails, but I don't want it to fail in the middle and not complete all the downloads. Any ideas? |
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| 20:01.50 | rasc | miko: try doing a bit-by-bit copy as thios answer in askubuntu describes: http://askubuntu.com/questions/59551/how-to-burn-a-iso-to-a-usb-device |
| 20:01.56 | Lope | what if I do the download only switch. is there a way to tell apt to go ahead and install everything that has been downloaded, but not installed? |
| 20:02.05 | udie | Hello, I am having an issue with apt-get update. It seems that there is a package that has a mistake in its name and therefore is not being found in a Release file. |
| 20:02.07 | miko | Lope apt-get --download-only |
| 20:02.12 | Lope | dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb ? |
| 20:02.12 | dpkg | installs /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb into lope's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 20:02.16 | udie | W: Failed to fetch http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/wheezy/Release Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-multarch-support/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 20:02.27 | rasc | ouch |
| 20:02.50 | udie | This is on raspbian, the people over on that irx are not very helpful and this is not an issue related to that platform. |
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| 20:02.57 | udie | I was hoping someone here could help |
| 20:03.04 | miko | rasc, thats just copying it, that does not work for whatever reason |
| 20:03.20 | miko | I think the bios does not expect a iso9660 fs on a usb stick |
| 20:03.39 | udie | i do not believe that multarch-support exists, it is multiarch-support correct? |
| 20:03.43 | Lope | miko: after using --download-only can I just use that dpkg command I wrote above? |
| 20:04.13 | Cpuroast | udie: you are missing an i in that math |
| 20:04.14 | miko | Lope, Just call the same apt-get command without the --download-only option |
| 20:04.15 | Cpuroast | arg |
| 20:04.16 | Cpuroast | path |
| 20:04.31 | rasc | miko: that's exactly what the bios wants in the usb stick |
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| 20:04.47 | Lope | miko: then I have to duplicate every package name in the script, that's messy. |
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| 20:04.50 | udie | right, it should be multiarch-support |
| 20:05.10 | udie | that is output from apt-get update |
| 20:05.10 | rasc | Lope: use a variable |
| 20:05.12 | miko | Lope, use arrays and lops |
| 20:05.14 | miko | loops |
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| 20:05.39 | miko | rasc, i wonder what usb-creator does. It does some conversion and these sticks boot |
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| 20:06.10 | Cpuroast | udie: acrtually, there is no multi or mult in tha file: http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/wheezy/Release |
| 20:06.16 | Cpuroast | open it your browser and search |
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| 20:06.53 | jmcnaught | !raspian |
| 20:06.54 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 20:06.58 | Lope | miko, rasc: I hate bash programming. I was hoping to do the initial apt stuff in pure bash, but I guess I'll just apt-get install php-cli and then do it all in a php script. |
| 20:07.24 | Cpuroast | udie: there you go :) |
| 20:07.36 | bodom | miko: I've just tried again and I confirm you it works with the netinst image and dd |
| 20:07.47 | miko | mmm |
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| 20:08.10 | rasc | miko: can you ty the bit-by-bit copy? that's how we do it usually. |
| 20:08.30 | udie | lovely, so what should be done to fix this error? |
| 20:08.48 | bodom | miko: btw, it's a brand new 2014 motherboard with a recent bios |
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| 20:09.26 | miko | rasc, yes, that's what i tried. It does not boot. I select the usb device as boot device, but it directly goes to the hdd |
| 20:09.27 | rasc | bodom: bios? why not uefi? |
| 20:09.36 | miko | My bios is 2 years old btw |
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| 20:10.26 | rasc | miko: the link you provided uses other methods, you should do the one with dd |
| 20:11.10 | miko | yes, i did that |
| 20:11.16 | bodom | rasc: whathever it has inside it :P |
| 20:11.28 | gnat_x | okay. so i have serial redirection working on my two ports and vga through grub. i want the rest of the output (drawing a blank on the actual name, but its the stuff that is traditionally on tty1) |
| 20:12.08 | gnat_x | the one serial line is getting it, the other isn't and the vga stops giving me output at booting the kernel. |
| 20:12.27 | rasc | miko: so what is problably happening is that you need to use other arguments to dd, like block size |
| 20:13.03 | miko | rasc, is that even relevant? But yes, i used 4MB blocks |
| 20:13.12 | rasc | bodom: does it support usb keybords at early boot? |
| 20:13.32 | rasc | miko: maybe you stick doesn't have 4 mb blocks |
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| 20:14.09 | miko | What? I thought the usb stick was just a flat block. |
| 20:14.29 | rasc | miko, try it without any block size |
| 20:14.58 | miko | Ok, i think this will take a while... |
| 20:15.04 | JyZyXEL | does anyone know of a software that can move the Unallocated partition space to a different position in-place? |
| 20:15.18 | dalias | using 4MB blocks for a filesystem sounds like a formula for disaster... |
| 20:15.28 | dalias | or is this just a matter of the block size for dd copy? |
| 20:15.50 | rasc | is just for dd, it doesn't know about filesystems |
| 20:15.56 | dalias | ah ok |
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| 20:17.29 | rasc | dalias: the filesystem is iso9660, it doesn't have blocks anyway |
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| 20:18.04 | psymin | which way would you recommend installing desura or desurium on a debian box? |
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| 20:18.52 | dalias | rasc, ah |
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| 20:22.12 | rasc | psymim: they provide a .tar.gz , you could try the installation scripts into a vm to see if they are good. |
| 20:23.50 | rasc | psymim, if you can hammer it into shape, maybe package it and submit? |
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| 20:25.20 | psymin | okies, I'll give it a shot .. sometime :) and if successful I'll post about it |
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| 20:29.12 | rasc | psymin: there's a request to package for desura https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=656903 |
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| 20:30.04 | psymin | cool, never made a .deb, but done a few rpms and ebuilds .. I'll tinker with it |
| 20:31.01 | rasc | psymin: there's debs in some ubuntu ppas in the bug report, you could start from there |
| 20:31.08 | psymin | thx |
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| 20:44.07 | shay_shay | hello |
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| 20:44.59 | shay_shay | once i was in here and i saw someone ask the bot if a package can be backported to wheezy. the bot returned the number of dependencies which would also need to be backported. 1. what was that bot command? 2. can i do that from a debian system without the bot? |
| 20:45.26 | jmcnaught | shay_shay: "/msg judd checkbackport foo" |
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| 20:46.16 | rryoumaa` | exim keeps saying "group mail was not found". but i have group mail (gid = 8) and /etc/group is readable. any clues here? |
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| 20:48.41 | shay_shay | jmcnaught: thank you |
| 20:49.00 | jmcnaught | shay_shay: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation might help too.. there's a dpkg-checkbuilddeps command mentioned there |
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| 20:53.10 | shay_shay | ahh |
| 20:53.12 | shay_shay | silly me |
| 20:53.16 | ShalokShalom | what is again the name of that tech, which makes 64 bit software running with the 32 bit ram usage ? |
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| 20:53.52 | zh1 | damn my debian is like lazy snail, how do i clear all caches mem etc |
| 20:54.16 | rryoumaa` | zh1: htop is a good way |
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| 20:54.59 | zh1 | dont know whats wrong but something is wild today |
| 20:56.18 | rasc | download more ram |
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| 20:57.52 | zh1 | ii can barely switch windows |
| 20:58.08 | zh1 | dnt know how am going to download that ram |
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| 21:00.41 | zh1 | i only have irc open and cpu is high |
| 21:01.15 | rasc | zh1: use htop to see whats happening behind the scenes |
| 21:01.34 | zh1 | alredy did |
| 21:01.42 | zh1 | didnt spot anything |
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| 21:02.09 | heurist | zh1: are you wheezy? maybe hit by the prop-driver issues and now using vesa? |
| 21:02.38 | ShalokShalom | what is again the name of that method, which makes 64 bit software running with the 32 bit ram usage ? |
| 21:02.51 | miko | Oh, copying it without specifingy a blocksize for dd gives the same result |
| 21:02.58 | tremon | ShalokShalom: x32. But it's not a method, it's a linux ABI |
| 21:03.02 | miko | it was just incredibly slow to copy it |
| 21:03.04 | zh1 | i'm starting to suspect debian is fine but hardware is going bananas |
| 21:03.06 | ShalokShalom | aha |
| 21:03.08 | ShalokShalom | thanks |
| 21:03.27 | zh1 | im 32bit |
| 21:03.37 | zh1 | no x64 |
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| 21:05.26 | jhutchins | zh1: iostat |
| 21:06.04 | psymin | after tinkering with this git repo for desura-app .. I'm assuing the 'right' way is to use their script to make a .deb :D |
| 21:06.13 | zh1 | i hate the days when everything goes wrong and i dontknow why |
| 21:07.06 | rasc | miko: try creating it with http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ |
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| 21:08.40 | rasc | miko: or https://launchpad.net/usb-creator |
| 21:08.50 | miko | The later does not work |
| 21:09.04 | miko | gives some strage error message for debian images |
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| 21:09.23 | miko | »"GNU/Linux" unexpected string« or something like this |
| 21:09.29 | miko | I think i truy unetbootin |
| 21:10.10 | miko | Oh that's windows software, i have to reboot |
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| 21:16.38 | Fusselkater | Hi, i am trying to build a package for alfred (remote exchange daemon). But somehow, dh_auto_install doesnt seem to call make install, if i override dh_auto_install for setting /usr as install prefix. here is my rules-file http://pastebin.com/sKTVnz6f ... Do you have any ideas? |
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| 21:17.08 | zh1 | i think its the cpu |
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| 21:22.55 | shellclear | my umask is 0027 but some programs create directories in my home with different permittions, for example FBreader, it create a directory in my home called .FBreader with permitions 755.. why? |
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| 21:26.02 | heurist | shellclear: umask is just the creation default, permissions can be changed by the program or created with other permissions. |
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| 21:26.21 | McLive | can someone help me with fsck here? |
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| 21:27.27 | McLive | I umounted /dev/sdb and tried "fsck /dev/sdb1" but it tells me "/dev/sdb1 is in use.".. lsof | grep '/mnt/disk2' does not show anything.. |
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| 21:30.14 | teraflops | umount the device or program a fsck on the next boot McLive |
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| 21:30.38 | McLive | i already umounted it |
| 21:30.50 | heurist | McLive: if you are brave and KNOW what you are doing, try fuser -M -k /mnt/disk2 |
| 21:30.59 | teraflops | oh |
| 21:31.15 | teraflops | McLive: then its in use ;P |
| 21:31.29 | McLive | how can it be in use if its umounted? |
| 21:32.17 | heurist | McLive: may be mounted elsewhere, there may still be open handles, matbe you did not actually unmount it properly, ... |
| 21:32.31 | GLolol | because i'm using it |
| 21:32.37 | GLolol | jk |
| 21:32.37 | McLive | hmm |
| 21:32.53 | heurist | did the umount go smoothly? did it fight you? |
| 21:33.16 | Fusselkater | ok, my problem seems to be fixed. it didnt find the sources |
| 21:33.21 | McLive | smoothly like nothing else |
| 21:33.23 | McLive | :D |
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| 21:33.40 | heurist | McLive: what command did you use? |
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| 21:34.16 | McLive | umount /mnt/disk2 |
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| 21:34.33 | teraflops | as who? |
| 21:34.36 | McLive | root |
| 21:34.58 | teraflops | and where are you regarding the directiey tree right now? |
| 21:35.01 | heurist | McLive: ok making sure it was not lazy, pastebin the output of mount |
| 21:35.05 | teraflops | directiry* |
| 21:35.20 | McLive | atm I'm in /root |
| 21:35.21 | teraflops | uhm di-rec-to-ry |
| 21:35.28 | teraflops | ok hah sorry |
| 21:35.44 | McLive | http://hastebin.com/inupafecot.hs |
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| 21:36.53 | teraflops | but what device is disk2 McLive? |
| 21:37.09 | McLive | sdb is mounted as "disk2" in /mnt |
| 21:37.22 | heurist | McLive: I can not use that pastebin without js, so I can not look now (term only) try http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 21:37.33 | heurist | McLive: that is probably a problem |
| 21:37.43 | teraflops | sure |
| 21:37.45 | McLive | http://paste.debian.net/110343/ |
| 21:37.46 | McLive | huh |
| 21:37.59 | McLive | it was mounted cause I umounted it^^ |
| 21:38.12 | teraflops | heh |
| 21:38.12 | McLive | sorry |
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| 21:38.15 | teraflops | np |
| 21:38.22 | teraflops | was in use at last |
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| 21:39.17 | heurist | McLive: so you are sorted out now? |
| 21:39.24 | McLive | no :/ |
| 21:39.51 | McLive | looks like it's umounted correctly, but I can't run fsck |
| 21:39.59 | McLive | "/dev/sdb1 is in use." |
| 21:40.08 | heurist | McLive: can you reboot? |
| 21:40.25 | McLive | could but better would without rebooting^^ |
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| 21:41.23 | heurist | McLive: trying to find what it holding it open may be prohibativly complicated, weigh that against the cost of rebooting. |
| 21:41.45 | McLive | hmm, ok |
| 21:42.18 | heurist | McLive: exit all programs you can, one of them may still be using stuff from that mount. |
| 21:42.33 | McLive | wouldn't that show lsof? |
| 21:43.06 | heurist | McLive: not if your grep was too limiting, and not always clearly. |
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| 21:44.05 | Slumlord_ | what desktop should i be using gnome, kde, xfce? |
| 21:44.07 | McLive | hmm, ok. I'll try restarting soon then |
| 21:44.13 | McLive | thanks so far :) |
| 21:44.16 | heurist | Slumlord_: i3 |
| 21:44.35 | Slumlord_ | xfce |
| 21:45.08 | teraflops | Slumlord_: whatever |
| 21:45.16 | heurist | Slumlord_: but seriously those polls are nevery useful, you will get a lot of optinion and trying them is the only way to find what you like. |
| 21:45.18 | brightkill | Slumlord_, emacs |
| 21:45.25 | teraflops | sure heurist |
| 21:45.31 | teraflops | kmscom |
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| 21:51.29 | oinkers | i like gnome but they can't even make a desktop without blanking |
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| 22:14.12 | Technodrome | all those a2ensite do is copy the config right? and the same with disable, they jsut copy the configs from the available to the enabled? |
| 22:15.00 | heurist | Technodrome: symlink not copy, but basically yes. |
| 22:15.15 | Technodrome | ah symlink ok |
| 22:15.43 | Technodrome | i had the most craziest problem the other day with an ubuntu box, i deleted everything out of that enabled directory, yet the sites were still loading |
| 22:15.45 | Technodrome | it was crazy |
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| 22:16.04 | oxez | Technodrome: you have to reload/restart apache2 for those changes to take effet |
| 22:16.15 | Technodrome | yes |
| 22:16.15 | heurist | Technodrome: need to restart apache, and there are defaults as well. |
| 22:16.22 | Technodrome | trust me that was done like 150 times if not more :) |
| 22:16.45 | Technodrome | it only happened when i upgraded from 2.2 to 2.4 on that version of ubuntu |
| 22:16.53 | Technodrome | who knows , i just reverted from backup and said I would owrry about it another day |
| 22:21.20 | Technodrome | heurist: was that tool made just for debian? |
| 22:21.48 | heurist | Technodrome: it is not everywhere, so maybe, gentoo uses it as well. |
| 22:22.13 | Technodrome | seems like it would have to be aware of the config structure |
| 22:22.51 | teraflops | some people dislikes that funcionality |
| 22:23.16 | Technodrome | in centos you just put all the vhosts in the main apache2.conf |
| 22:23.24 | Technodrome | or you create your own structure |
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| 22:23.28 | teraflops | even imported to nginx on debian build as well |
| 22:23.54 | teraflops | ... even worse imo |
| 22:23.57 | Technodrome | but it seems like the debian philosphy of separete configs has stayed strong |
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| 22:24.40 | teraflops | i belong to the haters regarding to that |
| 22:24.45 | miko | After quite some time, behind a very slow internet connection and mulitple attempts, i reach the following conclusion: |
| 22:24.55 | croddy | all the redhat apache servers i've seen with a non-trivial number of vhosts just use a crude approximation of sites-enabled, usually something like vhosts.d or just dump them all in conf.d |
| 22:25.29 | Technodrome | croddy: rackspace has their own way as well |
| 22:25.44 | Technodrome | but yeah i see tons of people just dropping them all in one dir |
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| 22:26.54 | miko | 1) The debian manual instruction on creating a bootable usb stick just don't work. I didn't do anything wrong, it does not work. 2) USB-creat is made for ubuntu and not work with debian, but it displays a error message, so this is no suppirse 3) Unetbootin does not work either. It seems mostly unmaintained. 4) linuxliveusbcreator.com does indeed work, eventhoug it warns it does no offically support the debian installation iso. |
| 22:27.09 | teraflops | miko: wait |
| 22:27.32 | teraflops | hows tour procces on creating the usb installer? |
| 22:27.40 | teraflops | your* |
| 22:28.15 | miko | I was in the channel about two hours ago and complained the manuel instructions on creating a bootable usb stick didn't work |
| 22:28.38 | teraflops | miko: sorry but works for the miriads of poeple n the hole world |
| 22:28.51 | miko | I was told i should try some variation, and they didn't work either (the usb stick was not bootable) |
| 22:28.58 | Technodrome | teraflops: so what way do you prefer? |
| 22:28.59 | miko | In case somebody else is complaining: |
| 22:29.23 | miko | tell them they should try http://www.linuxliveusb.com/ |
| 22:29.30 | miko | for some obscure reason it does work |
| 22:29.33 | teraflops | i prefer the conf.d/ dir and single file for each host Technodrome |
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| 22:29.42 | teraflops | manually |
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| 22:30.13 | Technodrome | or just stuffing the main apache2.conf? :) |
| 22:30.15 | teraflops | and of course about nginx does vhost behaviour does not make sense |
| 22:30.18 | Technodrome | hmm yeah, iâm not sure yet myself |
| 22:30.29 | teraflops | may be Technodrome depending on the number of vhots |
| 22:30.33 | teraflops | hosts* |
| 22:30.59 | Technodrome | then when you update that file though on a new release , weird things could happen |
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| 22:31.05 | teraflops | miko: lso does your mobo support booting from usb stick? |
| 22:31.17 | heurist | teraflops: Technodrome that "available/enabled" structure is just a conf.d/ with easy disabling, I manually symlink the files since I have been using since before the helper scipts came along. |
| 22:31.50 | Technodrome | yeah i know heurist , but still so many peope just stuff their apache2.conf on centos |
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| 22:31.54 | teraflops | Technodrome: about that i prefer not to use repo packages for apache/nginx |
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| 22:32.03 | miko | teraflops: As it does work now, yes it certanly does |
| 22:32.07 | croddy | i am glad to hear that the helper scripts were not already there. when i found out about them, i assumed i had been doing it wrong when i was placing the links manually. |
| 22:32.29 | heurist | croddy: that happens to me all the time. |
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| 22:32.37 | miko | But it never works with usb sticks that where just copied with dd from a cd image |
| 22:32.41 | croddy | were not always there, even |
| 22:32.48 | miko | i was suprised it was suposed to work |
| 22:32.54 | Technodrome | ok let me install centos7 here on a vm , want to take a look |
| 22:33.24 | teraflops | miko: just `cp debian iso /dev/sdX` |
| 22:33.35 | Brigo | miko, dd or cp. It just work for me few days ago. |
| 22:34.17 | miko | teraflops, i tried that in every possible variation, it does not work |
| 22:34.17 | miko | for me |
| 22:34.31 | teraflops | heh thats weird miko |
| 22:34.56 | miko | thankfully now i found a way. |
| 22:35.09 | teraflops | well congrats miko |
| 22:35.13 | miko | It's a quite exotic atom board with notbook hardware |
| 22:35.21 | miko | maybe that the reason |
| 22:35.28 | teraflops | may be ... |
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| 22:36.25 | teraflops | i always have a usb-dvd reader miko |
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| 22:38.15 | miko | That would have saved me a hole lot of time. |
| 22:38.17 | zh1 | stopped webgl and debian looks faster |
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| 22:59.37 | fommil | hi all. Did jessie just drop support for NVIDIA in the last few days? All my drivers are marked as obsolete and there are no replacements :-( |
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| 22:59.37 | Brigo | ,v nvidia-driver |
| 22:59.37 | judd | Package: nvidia-driver on i386 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+2; sid/non-free: 331.79-1; experimental/non-free: 337.19-1 |
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| 22:59.38 | fommil | yup, nothing in jessie Brigo |
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| 22:59.39 | centrx | fommil, It will come back. It was removed to facilitate the X upgrade |
| 22:59.39 | Brigo | strange :-m and i just uupgraded the system ... |
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| 22:59.46 | fommil | specifically I was using nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms but I can't find any of the drivers anymore. |
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| 22:59.46 | fommil | *am* using, I should say |
| 22:59.46 | centrx | fommil, You should be able to continue using previously installed software |
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| 22:59.50 | fommil | centrx: yes, but this is concerning for the future |
| 23:00.02 | centrx | How so? |
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| 23:00.27 | fommil | centrx: it means that all the X libraries have to be held |
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| 23:01.06 | sakang | 304.21 is tha latest and been soo for quite sometime, no changes imho |
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| 23:01.11 | fommil | Brigo: are you on jessie? |
| 23:01.20 | Brigo | yes i am |
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| 23:01.33 | fommil | Brigo: and are you using nvidia? which packages did you install? |
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| 23:02.00 | centrx | fommil, Holding packages is no big deal. It won't be for for more than a couple weeks |
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| 23:02.30 | Brigo | i think the important one is nvidia-driver, the importat packages depend on it, so installing it you will get all the stuff installed and configured |
| 23:02.43 | fommil | Brigo: but it doesn't exist anymore |
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| 23:03.00 | fommil | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/nvidia-driver => gone |
| 23:03.02 | Brigo | fommil, you can get from snapshot.debian.net |
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| 23:03.18 | Brigo | or snapshot.debian.org, not sure |
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| 23:04.12 | fommil | Brigo: well, I already have it, but it is now incompatible with all the new x11 libs that are coming out. Does anybody know why the package has been removed? Or are we just waiting for some compile server to build it against the new X11 release? |
| 23:04.54 | Brigo | centrx just told you why |
| 23:04.55 | fommil | Brigo: it's actually been taken down entirely from the debian mirrors. |
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| 23:05.50 | fommil | centrx just said that holding packages is no big deal |
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| 23:06.12 | centrx | <centrx> fommil, It will come back. It was removed to facilitate the X upgrade |
| 23:06.23 | fommil | centrx: aah, perfect, that's all I needed to know thanks |
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| 23:06.45 | fommil | centrx: was there an announcement about that somewhere? I couldn't find anything about it |
| 23:07.07 | centrx | fommil, Visit packages.qa.debian.org/nvidia-driver |
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| 23:07.33 | centrx | fommil, The note is not very descriptive, but that's what it means |
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| 23:08.50 | fommil | packages.qa.debian.org/nvidia-driver [00:07] |
| 23:08.50 | fommil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:09.13 | fommil | sorry, wrong kill ring, meant https://tracker.debian.org/news/558502 |
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| 23:10.17 | fommil | yeah, not very descriptive :-) I guess I had some fear that debian finally got so sick of the NVIDIA non-free license that they decided to pull it entirely |
| 23:10.18 | miko | I have realtek wireless lan adapter. I installed the firmware and the kernel module is loaded |
| 23:10.25 | miko | it also appears in lsusb |
| 23:10.35 | miko | and yet i don't see the interace in ifconfig |
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| 23:11.02 | fommil | miko should that not be iwconfig ? |
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| 23:12.23 | fommil | miko do you know about network-manager or wpa-applicant? They are probably what you want (I prefer nm-cli even though it's got a bit of a steep learning curve) |
| 23:12.46 | fommil | wpa-supplicant^ |
| 23:14.25 | miko | ah, it was iwconfig. I assumed ifconfig would list it aswell. |
| 23:15.00 | david-user | just installed the istanbul package, but it does not want to launch when i click on the icon |
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| 23:22.36 | david-user | whats the command to remove a package and its config files, I think its sudo apt-get --purge remove |
| 23:22.54 | Brigo | david-user, yes, or apt-get purge |
| 23:23.03 | Brigo | david-user, at least in jessie |
| 23:23.35 | david-user | yea running jessie, do does it matter if the purge comes before remove? |
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| 23:24.35 | david-user | I mean does the order of purge and remove matter? |
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| 23:25.39 | centrx | david-user, do apt-get purge or dpkg --purge, then you don't have to worry about the order |
| 23:26.13 | musca | man page says: remove --purge is equivalent to the purge command. |
| 23:26.50 | david-user | i just used apt-get --purge remove and it worked |
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| 23:28.59 | OldParr | i made an ntfs partition, but i forgot to format it, i am copying files to this partition wright now should i abort copying and format ? |
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| 23:30.02 | gjvc | how is it copying ? |
| 23:30.08 | gjvc | what is doing the copying? |
| 23:30.22 | gjvc | can you browse the partition? |
| 23:30.35 | gjvc | formatting is still required in this day and age |
| 23:30.51 | heurist | OldParr: how did you make it? what to you mean "format"? check mount, if it is mounted as ntfs (maybe 3g) then it is "formatted". |
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| 23:31.36 | OldParr | i can browse it perfectly and i am copying well, amazingly |
| 23:31.48 | heurist | OldParr: gjvc: "format" is just the name of the microsoft command that makes a file system, mkfs is what we use. |
| 23:32.06 | OldParr | i used gparted |
| 23:32.14 | OldParr | i created the partition with gparted |
| 23:32.17 | heurist | OldParr: then that made a filesystem for you too. |
| 23:32.22 | OldParr | but i forgot to format |
| 23:32.36 | heurist | OldParr: no such thing as "format". |
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| 23:33.51 | OldParr | heurist: the confusion is because gparted creates and formats separetely |
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| 23:34.20 | heurist | OldParr: apparenly not if you can copy to it, though check that it is mounted as ntfs. |
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| 23:35.59 | OldParr | heurist: how do i check under which type is mounted |
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| 23:36.07 | heurist | OldParr: mount |
| 23:36.27 | OptimizedCoder | I'm on debian testing with make version 4.0 - I'll need to downgrade to 3.81 - how easily can I accomplish this - without borking up my system? |
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| 23:38.13 | OldParr | heurist: is mounted as fuseblk |
| 23:38.29 | OldParr | i do not see any ntfs in there |
| 23:39.23 | heurist | OldParr: that means ntfs.3g which uses fuse |
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| 23:40.05 | OldParr | heurist: and that means it do not need formatting |
| 23:40.16 | heurist | OldParr: you can also run file -s /dev/... on the device and it should tell you. |
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| 23:43.19 | maurizius81 | !list |
| 23:43.20 | dpkg | maurizius81: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
| 23:43.27 | OldParr | file -s /dev/sda3 says it is NTFS amazingly |
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| 23:44.09 | heurist | OldParr: the stars align. everything points to success. |
| 23:47.00 | OldParr | heurist: thank you |
| 23:47.07 | miko | What is wrong if the network is unreachable, but the wlan interface is up, has a dhcp ip address and ifconfig does not show any errors? |
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| 23:48.28 | teraflops | did you tried adressing/routing the interface manually miko |
| 23:48.54 | OldParr | i have spent many time of my life formatting new partitions |
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| 23:50.12 | miko | yup |
| 23:50.16 | miko | anyway |
| 23:50.20 | miko | now it works |
| 23:50.26 | miko | and i don't know why |
| 23:50.37 | miko | well, i don't bother |
| 23:50.41 | miko | thanks |
| 23:50.44 | miko | buy |
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| 23:52.20 | teraflops | heh |
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| 23:57.10 | teraflops | oh s/tried/try |
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| 23:59.30 | mrdeb | hey |
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| 23:59.37 | mrdeb | is jessie safe to install with openbox now |
