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| 00:36.32 | teraflops | did you tried adressing/routing the interface manually miko /leave ma'a salama/leave ma'a salama/quit |
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| 01:02.30 | demonax | Hello, I can't get annotate plugin to work in calbre 1.22 (wheezy-backports); what's the probability I'll crash the system if I install the calibre 1.44 binary from http://calibre-ebook.com/download? |
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| 01:04.07 | heurist | demonax: I can not say specificallly but I have run calibre from the site on debian for ages before the backport, never had any issues that were not because of calibre being broken on all platforms |
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| 01:06.37 | demonax | heurist, thank you. It's interesting that the annotate functionality worked on squeeze but not on wheezy - standard nor backports |
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| 01:08.07 | demonax | maybe it's the plugin |
| 01:08.23 | heurist | demonax: calibre keeps breaking things with its updates, I am leaving it alone at backports version. |
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| 01:08.54 | heurist | demonax: haveing the plugins shift out from under your version is not fun. |
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| 01:10.54 | demonax | can I do a python build/make in environ so as not to break anything |
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| 01:13.13 | heurist | demonax: I had both the debian verions and the one from the site at the same time, site version goes in /opt |
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| 01:14.02 | heurist | demonax: there were no prblems with having both installed, just remember to run the correct one from /opt. |
| 01:14.36 | demonax | heurist: thank you, I'll give it another shot |
| 01:14.57 | heurist | demonax: I think I also just extacted the tar file into /opt/calibre because the install script did too much stuff for my liking. |
| 01:15.34 | demonax | heurist, good advice! |
| 01:17.26 | heurist | demonax: the "recomended" install procedure of "run this script direcly from the net" is always a concerning process, I prefer for people not t get into that habit. |
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| 01:18.09 | demonax | heurist, I'm inclined to BELIEVE! |
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| 01:18.57 | demonax | I confess I almost did it, and then caught myself and signed on here |
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| 01:43.23 | david-user | i did file a bug, but one has to wonder why cant user changer their wallpaper in debian Jessie Gnome 3 Edition. It just seems like something most user would want to do, why hasent it been fixed? |
| 01:43.43 | david-user | users** |
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| 01:45.03 | david-user | I just dont understand how this kind of bug slips by, can someone shed some light on this issue? |
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| 01:49.46 | heurist | david-user: jessie is not stable, there are plenty of bugs to be found. |
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| 01:52.22 | david-user | yea but with the complex three their infastucacture the debian has to ensure the when stable does come its , almost perfect, I just dont get how they let this obivous bug slip, do you know what I mean? Its not like its a hard to find bug. |
| 01:52.29 | LtL | david-user: hell, i never see my desktop.. to much other stuff covering it up, works for me :) |
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| 01:53.00 | Stevie-O | hello |
| 01:53.34 | Stevie-O | I'm using a Debian Live image with KDE,, and I accidentally clicked something that made all but my active window disappear |
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| 01:53.42 | Stevie-O | I minimiazed that window, and now I have *no* windows |
| 01:54.20 | Stevie-O | any ideas on what I could have done, and how to fix it? |
| 01:54.38 | david-user | I have tried plenty of linux distros based on debian testing, linux mint, SoldXK ect... but running debian itself proved to be rather unstable for the testing branch. |
| 01:55.11 | jmcnaught | david-user: it's unlikely you would ever find a bug like this in a stable release. The whole point of Testing is for people to have a chance to find these bugs and get them fixed. Testing isn't for end users to have access to newer packages, it's for testing and bug fixing as the name implies. Jessie won't even be frozen for several months |
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| 01:55.28 | heurist | david-user: those are intended as "stable" versions, testing is not really, and now is a bad time to be testing testing anyway. |
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| 01:57.29 | jmcnaught | david-user: if you want a release that is extensively tested and works really well, that's exactly what Debian Stable is for |
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| 01:58.45 | david-user | funny thing is most people advocate that testing is perfect for home PCs and computers that Do NOT have to server web pages(Server), or are being used in the next rocket launch by NASA. I lover stable, trust me. But Backports just isnt enought for my Home PC sometimes. So I though testing would be a bit better.. |
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| 01:59.52 | david-user | And I was surprise, although I am glad to contribute to the community :), At this point how much worse can unstable be? |
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| 02:01.18 | heurist | david-user: people who advocate testing for normal user are usually the "works for me" type. |
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| 02:01.28 | jmcnaught | david-user: I don't think that's the Debian project advocating that testing is perfect for desktop use, more like random blog/forum/reddit posts. Lots of people do use Testing, but it comes with caveats like stuff breaking from time to time. I use Wheezy on my desktops, and really only a handful of packages from backports. And I'm happy because my computer works well every day and I don't have to worry about updates breaking stuff |
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| 02:04.31 | jmcnaught | david-user: also on Stable if something isn't in backports often you can backport it yourself. "/msg dpkg ssb" for some info on that |
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| 02:04.40 | david-user | thank you for your comments thus far by the way! But I read through the debian FAQ and the FAQ states and I quote "If you are a desktop user with some experience in Linux and does not mind facing the odd bug now and then, use unstable. It has all the latest and greatest software, and bugs are usually fixed swiftly." And then my logic said well testing must be ever more stable.......... |
| 02:06.09 | david-user | Can understand where I am coming from with my unfortunate disappointments? |
| 02:06.19 | awc737 | what is the best virtualization on centos, for hosting debian guests? |
| 02:06.29 | awc737 | im limited to centos host with solusvm |
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| 02:06.53 | heurist | awc737: kvm via libvirt maybe? |
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| 02:07.24 | jmcnaught | david-user: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_life_with_eternal_upgrades this is probably a better source. What are the links you got that quote from? |
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| 02:07.55 | david-user | the link is https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html |
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| 02:08.15 | david-user | frome the debian website itself! |
| 02:08.26 | awc737 | k heurist thanks i wonder if it can do windows too |
| 02:08.36 | awc737 | or what can |
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| 02:08.48 | heurist | awc737: yes, kvm does everyting |
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| 02:09.21 | jmcnaught | david-user: well that does say there will be bugs :) |
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| 02:10.32 | heurist | david-user: depends on how you interpret "does not mind facing the odd bug". Sounds bad to me. |
| 02:11.03 | david-user | So then its up to the end user to determine that? |
| 02:11.06 | jmcnaught | awc737: i would definitely avoid openvz for debian guests. |
| 02:11.25 | awc737 | yeah it gives me all kinds of trouble |
| 02:12.01 | awc737 | simple stuff like can't set time and java memeory stuff i notice |
| 02:12.47 | david-user | They should state what that means. They did such a great JOB overall on the FAQ but the topic of picking your distribution should be carefully checked and explained, am I wrong? |
| 02:13.42 | awc737 | I just feel dirty using centos as my host |
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| 02:14.37 | jmcnaught | david-user: maybe it could be more clear, but i don't think it should be all that surprising that there are bugs in an unfinished release |
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| 02:16.42 | OldParr | does a full xcfe installation works fine in 75 Gb disk, personal data in other disk |
| 02:16.51 | OldParr | question |
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| 02:17.40 | david-user | Do you have some of the issues I mentioned , like not being able to change your wallpaper in gnome 3? |
| 02:17.41 | heurist | OldParr: that should be plenty of space. |
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| 02:18.07 | jmcnaught | OldParr: that's probably more than sufficient. my / volume is 13 GB and I only use 57% of it right now. That's with Gnome. |
| 02:18.19 | OldParr | hello heurist |
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| 02:19.47 | jmcnaught | david-user: I don't know sorry. You might get a better answer in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, or one of the channels listed here: https://wiki.gnome.org/Community/GettingInTouch/IRC |
| 02:20.21 | OldParr | GunsNRose__: do you install any applicaction that you need or you just pick them carefully |
| 02:20.25 | david-user | its just amazes me how debian cares so much about being stable, you would think that a simple action like chnaging the wallapaper would have been considered by the developers, because its such a trivial action in a computer. But thx none the less |
| 02:21.11 | jmcnaught | OldParr: was that for me? I'm not really that careful, but I only have the one desktop environment installed |
| 02:21.28 | OldParr | yes for you |
| 02:21.55 | OldParr | i think i will use 75 |
| 02:21.58 | jmcnaught | david-user: like I said earlier, the testing phase of a release is so that these bugs can be found and resolved. It will undoubtedly get fixed by the time Jessie is released as stable |
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| 02:25.01 | OldParr | jmcnaught: linux does not needs much space compared to windows |
| 02:25.53 | jmcnaught | OldParr: You might consider using LVM and a 15-20G volume for /. I usually leave some spaced unallocated on my my Volume Group so that I can grow whichever volume needs more room later on |
| 02:25.59 | heurist | OldParr: windows on a 75Gb would work fine too. |
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| 02:26.09 | david-user | well by the time we will be like 3 years in the past with software. Which is the only downfall to debian stable, but its greatest strenght. |
| 02:27.15 | OldParr | heurist: yes you are wright |
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| 02:31.23 | Che-Anarc | I few machines that are exact in hardware - only varying in i5 or i3 or Dual Celeron cpu using same image - 1 of the machines hangs - I've done memtest which passed 14 times - how else can I find issue / cause for hang? |
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| 02:35.09 | jmcnaught | Che-Anarc: have you looked for errors in the logs at the time the system crashes? |
| 02:35.09 | Che-Anarc | I'm using wheezy 7.5 none-window enviroment |
| 02:35.11 | wbv21 | is it possible to run iceweasel/firefox in a portable way like you can in windows, from a flash drive for example |
| 02:35.49 | Che-Anarc | jmcnaught, you mean after I rebooted cause at time of crash / hang I cant do anything system just freezes on whatever is on active tty |
| 02:36.01 | Che-Anarc | jmcnaught, how / what to check? |
| 02:37.05 | Che-Anarc | wbv21, plenty of distro's that have active / graphical enviroment with iceweasel included (eg ubuntu) |
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| 02:37.37 | jmcnaught | Che-Anarc: i would start with /var/log/syslog. Every line is date stamped, so look at the lines around when the crash happens |
| 02:37.59 | jmcnaught | Che-Anarc: Debian has graphical environments too, we typically don't recommend Ubuntu here |
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| 02:39.31 | wbv21 | that didn't even answer what i was asking. i want something bundled into a binary package i can run that won't write/read to/from the HDD |
| 02:39.37 | jmcnaught | wbv21: you might not be able to run Iceweasel in a portable way like that. As far as I know Iceweasel is only available as a debian package. Nothing's stopping you from running a portable version of Firefox though. You might want to find one that's meant to be run off a stick though, the regular download from Mozilla probably assumes it should store its profile in ~/home |
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| 02:40.31 | wbv21 | jmcnaught: yes, the one from mozilla does store its profile there and read the extensions my installed version has |
| 02:40.37 | jmcnaught | errr.. ~/.mozilla i mean |
| 02:41.26 | jmcnaught | wbv21: if you can't find a "portable firefox" another way might be to run it from a chrooted USB stick |
| 02:41.56 | wbv21 | jmcnaught: i was able to find one but it was 10 versions old unfortunately. |
| 02:42.05 | wbv21 | i don't know what a chrooted usb stick is but i can look it up |
| 02:43.02 | Che-Anarc | jmcnaught, I see in tail -n 100 of /var/log/syslog a bunch of eth related activity... |
| 02:43.35 | Che-Anarc | jmcnaught, could it be iptables / other related services I am running causing crash (eg fail2ban & psad?) |
| 02:44.11 | Che-Anarc | Still no closer in understanding cause for crash. |
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| 02:45.02 | jmcnaught | wbv21: https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot maybe using schroot, though i don't know how well that would work with an external. Doing a chroot on an external is probably a little wonky, so maybe someone else will have a better suggestion. |
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| 02:45.34 | Che-Anarc | It happens very randomly like sometimes in 24 hours sometimes in 36 - but its strange cause I have an exact clone image running fine. |
| 02:45.44 | wbv21 | jmcnaught: thanks for the info |
| 02:45.55 | jmcnaught | Che-Anarc: does the last 100 lines of syslog include messages from before the reboot? |
| 02:46.27 | Che-Anarc | jmcnaught, yes i booted in recovery mode after crash - syslog is from time of crash. |
| 02:47.34 | jmcnaught | Che-Anarc: you could try putting the lines from syslog before the crash on http://paste.debian.net and maybe someone will spot a clue |
| 02:47.51 | Che-Anarc | so last line is a eth related activity like dns query & before it a bunch of ip's on ban list |
| 02:48.38 | Che-Anarc | theres no seg or error or other strangeness |
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| 02:48.54 | smdgvm | hey |
| 02:48.57 | smdgvm | can i get halp |
| 02:49.14 | jmcnaught | Che-Anarc: you could check other logs in /var/log too like messages, kern.log |
| 02:49.22 | smdgvm | I know it's a debian dirvative... |
| 02:49.23 | smdgvm | proxmox |
| 02:49.28 | smdgvm | but It's still debian at heart... |
| 02:49.34 | jmcnaught | smdgvm: it's not supported here |
| 02:49.40 | smdgvm | I know but someone might be able to help |
| 02:49.45 | smdgvm | the #proxmox channel is dead |
| 02:49.48 | jmcnaught | !based on debian |
| 02:49.48 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 02:50.03 | smdgvm | .... |
| 02:50.09 | smdgvm | Could you at least try? |
| 02:50.15 | smdgvm | I can't use #linux without registering... |
| 02:50.33 | smdgvm | my wireless card still doesn't work with debian but that's for a different time |
| 02:50.49 | jmcnaught | smdgvm: it's ##linux not #linux |
| 02:50.55 | smdgvm | I know... |
| 02:51.02 | smdgvm | #linux redirects to ##linux |
| 02:51.17 | smdgvm | could you just try and help? |
| 02:51.20 | jmcnaught | smdgvm: so register your nick, or try #proxmox again when it's not so late |
| 02:51.24 | smdgvm | .... |
| 02:51.38 | smdgvm | it's 7 am where I am |
| 02:52.22 | Che-Anarc | jmcnaught, last line on kern.log match syslog in that its same IP related activity / eth0 |
| 02:52.32 | jmcnaught | smdgvm: freenode tends to be busiest during north america/europe daytime hours |
| 02:52.33 | Che-Anarc | jmcnaught, any other log file ? |
| 02:52.39 | smdgvm | ... |
| 02:52.44 | smdgvm | could you try at least? |
| 02:52.47 | smdgvm | a little bit. |
| 02:52.58 | smdgvm | or point me in the right direction on how to get the machine to boot |
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| 02:54.23 | jmcnaught | smdgvm: no sorry, proxmox modified and you can really expect Debian folks to keep track of the modifications in every derivative. I can't/won't help, and if you keep asking eventually an op will probably come and kick you. If you want support from #debian use Debian :) |
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| 02:54.50 | smdgvm | jmcnaught, you could help but you choose not to. |
| 02:54.53 | smdgvm | that's the difference. |
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| 02:55.01 | smdgvm | Also my wireless card still doesn't work under debian. |
| 02:55.25 | smdgvm | and I don't want to buy a wireless card to just use that laptop online |
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| 02:56.45 | jmcnaught | smdgvm: which release of debian is it? in which way does it not work? |
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| 02:57.22 | smdgvm | jmcnaught, I belize squeeze |
| 02:57.32 | smdgvm | and it's complaining during boot about "unmount: can't unmount /mnt: Invalid argument" |
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| 02:59.06 | jmcnaught | smdgvm: what is the output of "uname -a"? I doubt the umount error is related to wifi |
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| 02:59.38 | smdgvm | jmcnaught, just saying the version of proxmox it is. |
| 02:59.44 | smdgvm | the wifi thing is a different machine |
| 03:00.10 | jmcnaught | smdgvm: i'm going to /ignore you. Please respect the fact that derivatives are not supported in #debian |
| 03:00.25 | smdgvm | jmcnaught, you're litterally a cunt. |
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| 03:00.54 | smdgvm | you lead me on that you're going to assist and when I mention that wifi is a different laptop "/ingore!!!!!!!!!!" |
| 03:01.01 | smdgvm | ignore* |
| 03:01.10 | smdgvm | you're the reason I left this network 7 years ago. |
| 03:01.14 | Che-Anarc | smdgvm, wow lot of anger - take it easy kid |
| 03:01.20 | binaryhermit | vaguely wonders where the ops are |
| 03:01.27 | smdgvm | Che-Anarc, eh. |
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| 03:01.38 | jmcnaught | smdgvm: sorry to disappoint you. I feel like you misled me by saying that the wifi issue was on Debian. |
| 03:01.39 | smdgvm | Che-Anarc, it's just people like that, that I got sick of and left Freenode because of... |
| 03:01.44 | smdgvm | jmcnaught, it is. |
| 03:01.47 | smdgvm | In a different laptop. |
| 03:02.22 | jmcnaught | !ops nanaima private message spam when talking in channel |
| 03:02.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: nanaima private message spam when talking in channel |
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| 03:02.38 | smdgvm | !ops nanaima private messaging users without request with spam |
| 03:02.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: smdgvm complains about: nanaima private messaging users without request with spam |
| 03:02.50 | smdgvm | I was wondering what channel he was in |
| 03:02.53 | smdgvm | He's messaging me too |
| 03:03.05 | smdgvm | This is why people disable pm's now. |
| 03:03.08 | Che-Anarc | Aheh I dread having to re-install again on this system that has mystry crashes. |
| 03:03.21 | smdgvm | Che-Anarc, that sucks |
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| 03:03.34 | smdgvm | Che-Anarc, I feel bad that ##linux requires users to register to talk there |
| 03:03.49 | smdgvm | must have been some serious ammounts of trolls attacking that channel frequently for the ops to make registration a requirement |
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| 03:04.33 | binaryhermit | I wouldn't call unsolicited PMs trolling |
| 03:04.38 | smdgvm | nanaima, Please part this channel / network if you're not going to be productive |
| 03:04.42 | binaryhermit | not that it's appropriate |
| 03:04.49 | smdgvm | I'm not calling it trolling, I'm saying a side note |
| 03:04.58 | binaryhermit | though with the proper content it could be trolling |
| 03:05.03 | smdgvm | what nanaima is doing is innapropriate |
| 03:05.12 | binaryhermit | indeed |
| 03:05.38 | jmcnaught | smdgvm: calling peopl the c-word for asking them to respect the rules of this channel could be trolling though |
| 03:05.59 | smdgvm | jmcnaught, misleading people into believing that they're getting assistance from someone actually willing to help could also be considered trolling. |
| 03:06.29 | binaryhermit | !ops nanaima is still PM spamming |
| 03:06.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: binaryhermit complains about: nanaima is still PM spamming |
| 03:07.04 | jmcnaught | smdgvm: if it had actually been debian i would have helped you. You did say it didn't work in Debian. |
| 03:07.42 | smdgvm | I did say it didn't work in debian |
| 03:07.47 | smdgvm | Read up in the chat logs. |
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| 03:09.12 | jmcnaught | smdgvm: so boot into Debian and we'll help you get it working |
| 03:09.26 | smdgvm | i'm working on a debian dirvative atm |
| 03:09.36 | smdgvm | I have a debian dirivative with the correct drivers anyways |
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| 03:18.37 | smdgvm | wat, |
| 03:18.41 | smdgvm | yo wat bro |
| 03:18.43 | smdgvm | wtf. |
| 03:18.45 | smdgvm | I know your meep. |
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| 04:00.53 | prem | hi all |
| 04:01.16 | prem | is there a way to capture the http / https traffic logs in my machine without using any proxy? |
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| 04:02.31 | prem | i dont want to go with any proxy solution to do this |
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| 04:05.33 | heurist | prem: well tcpdum or wireshark could do it, but that my be too complex for you. |
| 04:05.49 | heurist | prem: tcpdump * |
| 04:06.08 | prem | heurist, yeah i just want to get the url of what my users are visting |
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| 04:06.39 | prem | its for some low end machines where i cant run any heavy cpu consuming process also |
| 04:06.45 | heurist | prem: wireshark is good for quick checks of what is going on. |
| 04:07.18 | heurist | prem: a proxy would be simpler for long-term. |
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| 04:08.32 | heurist | prem: also a proxy is probably your only solution if you want an idea of https urls and not just ip addresses |
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| 05:20.02 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell justanotheruser -about selftell |
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| 05:27.08 | Blue1 | !jessie |
| 05:27.09 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>. |
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| 05:31.10 | Blue1 | pardon my dumbness -- I want to download jessie -- but where? I can't seem to find a download link for the iso |
| 05:32.29 | heurist | Blue1: you probably do not want jessie, it is not stable. |
| 05:32.57 | ObrienDave | https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ that took about 15 seconds to find |
| 05:33.03 | ckuehl | Blue1: with that said, if you DO want jessie, there are isos here: https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 05:33.17 | ckuehl | (jessie = "testing") |
| 05:33.36 | justanotheruser | imunsie: sorry |
| 05:33.40 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: * |
| 05:34.28 | Blue1 | I DO want jessie |
| 05:35.13 | heurist | Blue1: consider yourself warned, and good luck. |
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| 05:35.47 | Blue1 | heurist: I have hardware that needs a later kernel then 3.2 |
| 05:36.06 | heurist | Blue1: 3.14 is in wheezy backports |
| 05:36.14 | Blue1 | heurist: it's either than or xubuntu |
| 05:36.20 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: no big deal, just thought you'd want to know how to do it :) |
| 05:36.34 | Blue1 | heurist: really? |
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| 05:37.37 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: :) |
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| 05:38.07 | justanotheruser | dpkg: bot is *very* useful. Props to the developers of him |
| 05:38.07 | dpkg | ...but bot is already something else... |
| 05:38.14 | jmcnaught | Blue1: yeah using a newer kernel from wheezy-backports is probably better to try before Jessie. Jessie users recently lost their precious proprietary GPU drivers because of an xorg update for example. Things break in Jessie sometimes |
| 05:38.37 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: you can also search the factoids here: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/ |
| 05:38.42 | Blue1 | jmcnaught: okay I am NOT seeing that in backports do I need to add a repo? |
| 05:39.20 | justanotheruser | neato |
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| 05:39.27 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Blue1 -about bpo kernel |
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| 05:40.22 | justanotheruser | So I'm wondering what exactly makes debian debain? The philosophy? |
| 05:40.29 | Blue1 | !dpkg wheezy-backports | blue1 |
| 05:40.57 | jmcnaught | !selftell |
| 05:40.57 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 05:41.37 | Blue1 | well that's what I am trying to do, redirect to myself -- but that didn't work sorry |
| 05:41.52 | dondelelcaro | justanotheruser: the packages, the policy, the people, the philosophy... and a few other things. |
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| 05:43.10 | justanotheruser | dondelelcaro: well it isn't the packages because they change over time right? |
| 05:43.19 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: https://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian is a pretty good overview. Also check out the Debian Social Contract |
| 05:43.32 | dondelelcaro | justanotheruser: so do the people |
| 05:43.44 | dondelelcaro | justanotheruser: but that doesn't mean that they aren't what makes Debian Debian. |
| 05:44.07 | justanotheruser | Does debian have a benevolent dictator? |
| 05:44.16 | dondelelcaro | justanotheruser: no; we do have a DPL. |
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| 05:45.53 | justanotheruser | if the DPL said "debian will now use non-free software as long as it is better than the free software" would debian still be debian |
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| 05:47.49 | dondelelcaro | justanotheruser: the DPL wouldn't be able to do that |
| 05:48.14 | justanotheruser | dondelelcaro: because they would be the ?PL then? |
| 05:48.17 | cafuego | Of course the DPL could say that. |
| 05:48.58 | cafuego | Then there would be armed conflict |
| 05:49.19 | cafuego | justanotheruser: But *I* will be the judge of "better". |
| 05:49.25 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: the DPL is also elected each year by all of the Debian Developers, so not really a dictator at all |
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| 05:57.43 | Blue1 | it complains about a broken package if I try to install the lastest backport kernel: linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 : Breaks: initramfs-tools (< 0.110~) but 0.109.1 is to be installed |
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| 06:02.50 | heurist | Blue1: upgrade initramfs-tools too. |
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| 06:04.26 | heurist | johnnyb: whatever I need, a login manger is an extra part, so I sometimes avoid it, sometimes I run slim, sometimes lightwm |
| 06:04.37 | heurist | johnnyb: errr, lightdm |
| 06:04.38 | Blue1 | heurist: not sure how to do that -- not worked much with backports repo |
| 06:05.03 | heurist | johnnyb: sorry, wrong channel |
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| 06:06.58 | Blue1 | ahh -t wheezy-backports seems to do the trick |
| 06:07.10 | heurist | Blue1: apt-get or aptitude? |
| 06:07.21 | Blue1 | heurist: apt-get |
| 06:07.40 | heurist | Blue1: as you say, -t |
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| 06:08.10 | Blue1 | heurist: now it complains about my ethernet card: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8106e-1.fw for module r8169 |
| 06:08.49 | Blue1 | welp -- gonna reboot keeping my eyes crossed |
| 06:09.27 | heurist | Blue1: r8169? firware is not *needed* for that is it? just enhanced things. |
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| 07:01.32 | eristisk | I am trying to run sweep to open a 1.2 GB WAV file but I get this error: |
| 07:01.34 | eristisk | (sweep:31953): GLib-ERROR **: /tmp/buildd/glib2.0-2.40.0/./glib/gmem.c:133: failed to allocate 18446744071992964800 bytes |
| 07:03.58 | iwilcox | prices up 18446744071992964800 bytes of ram |
| 07:04.19 | talin | 18 exabytes? |
| 07:05.00 | iwilcox | 16 * 2^60 |
| 07:05.15 | eristisk | Ummm, well, what's going on here? |
| 07:05.51 | talin | eristisk: what does du -sh file.wav say? |
| 07:06.12 | eristisk | 1,3 G |
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| 07:07.11 | sebbah | hello there! |
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| 07:24.12 | wulong_ | hello. I have a user named "pi" under /home/pi . Now, i want change the name "pi" to "dy". Then i use execute command : " usermod -l dy -d /home/dy pi". But /home/pi is still there. Did i use wrong command? |
| 07:24.33 | formorer | usermod will not touch any files. |
| 07:27.24 | wulong_ | @formorer: I want change username pi to dy. How can i change /home/pi to /home/dy.Can you give suggession? |
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| 07:30.40 | formorer | wulong_: mv ; chown |
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| 07:31.56 | heurist | wulong_: also make sure you chown all that users files on the system that are not in that directory (tmp, var, ...) |
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| 07:34.33 | wulong_ | yes. I use "usermod -l" command by root under /root directory. On the result i only change username pi to dy, but can't chang /home/pi to /home/dy |
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| 07:35.19 | formorer | wulong_: why can't you change it? |
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| 07:37.07 | peterrooney_ | smells raspbian |
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| 07:41.30 | wulong_ | @formorer: I think "usermod -l" command can change both username and user home directory name . Did i execute "mv /home/pi /home/dy" command after i use "usermod -l dy pi" ? |
| 07:43.19 | heurist | wulong_: man usermod, see -d |
| 07:43.27 | Viderizer | wulong_: http://darrenjw2.wordpress.com/2013/01/01/how-to-rename-the-default-account-on-the-rasp/ |
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| 07:44.04 | heurist | wulong_: or -m |
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| 07:45.56 | Viderizer | so basically `usermod -l dy pi && usermod -m -d /home/dy dy && rm -r /home/pi´ |
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| 07:47.02 | heurist | Viderizer: can you not do -l and -m in the same command? |
| 07:47.15 | Viderizer | uhh |
| 07:47.17 | Viderizer | probably |
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| 07:50.43 | gour | morning. i'd like to try, after long time, kde & plasma-5 on my debian sid. is installing kde-plasma-desktop all i need? |
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| 07:51.14 | Viderizer | wulong_: if you need more assistance with your pi, you should probably join #raspbian |
| 07:51.53 | wulong_ | @Viderizer: Ok, thank you |
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| 07:53.38 | jmcnaught | gour: as far as i know it's still KDE 4.11.3 in sid. KDE Plasma 5 was only released a few days ago, not really a long time :) |
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| 07:54.15 | sandman13 | 4.11.3 or 4.13 |
| 07:54.28 | sandman13 | I guess the latter one |
| 07:54.44 | gour | jmcnaught: i didn't use kde since 0.9.x., but afaict plasma-5 is supposed to run on kde-4.11/13 |
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| 07:55.13 | gour | there is no, afaict, kde-5 |
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| 07:55.15 | iwilcox | Ugh. My heart sinks when I hear new KDE stuff is coming out. Usually means Apple released something new and KDE had to copy it, upsetting my desktop AGAIN. |
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| 07:56.21 | gour | iwilcox: heh...atm i use plain i3, but it's not very user-friendly for other members of my family...i dont't like neither ubunutu nor gnome-3...xfce is without manpower... |
| 07:56.56 | gour | don't know what's going on with razort-qt/lxde merge... |
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| 07:57.12 | jmcnaught | gour: qt is 4.8.6 in sid, i think the new version needs Qt 5. You can search for package versions on https://packages.debian.org/ |
| 07:57.29 | gour | jmcnaught: i've qt5 installed in sid |
| 07:58.03 | gour | there is qt5.3 |
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| 07:58.15 | jmcnaught | gour: oh my mistake. still, i'm pretty sure the version of KDE is still 4.11 |
| 07:59.40 | gour | jmcnaught: right, but i wodner about the kde-plasma-desktop package labelled as 5:84 version |
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| 08:00.10 | jmcnaught | gour: sorry, kde is 4.13.1 as sandman13 said. The meta packages version is internal to Debian |
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| 08:02.36 | gour | ok, still wonder if it's plasma-4 or plasma-5 rc? |
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| 08:04.06 | Donse | good morning! |
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| 08:09.16 | gour | jmcnaught: it's a bit strange that internal numbering is not in 'sync' with upstream |
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| 08:14.31 | jmcnaught | gour: the versions are in sync with upstream for actual packages, but meta packages that don't actually contain anything themselves and just pull in dependencies have their own debian versions |
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| 09:25.42 | Nsales | Hi, I am running testing and upgraded yesterday but now I get an read only filesystem while boot and can't start X. If I go into grub and change ro to rw I get rid of the ro but I can't install fglrx (even from unstable) because xorg-abi can not be installed. Please help |
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| 09:30.43 | babilen | Nsales: Use radeon driver, ask for advice in #debian-next and perform upgrades/removals you don't want to perform. Please paste the output of those commands and your /var/log/apt/history.log to http://paste.debian.net and come to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 09:31.09 | babilen | Nsales: I would also recommend to add sid to your sources.list and set the default release |
| 09:31.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell Nsales -about tum |
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| 09:31.32 | AquaL1te | iwilcox: i would say kde is a windows copy ;-) gnome is more like an ios/mac os blend |
| 09:32.27 | iwilcox | AquaL1te: Just venting my inner "get orf my lawn"ism |
| 09:33.21 | iwilcox | AquaL1te: Haven't seen Windows in a while; you may well be right. |
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| 09:48.34 | reavengrey | Hey, I'm on testing, and I've done a dist-upgrade, to find that the package maintainers have disabled fglrx-driver |
| 09:48.46 | reavengrey | I don't know why, is that intentional? |
| 09:49.51 | TuxFighter | Hi Guys, someone here how can help me with my nvidia driver on jessie. Something changed in the packages and the nvidia driver wont work anymore |
| 09:50.48 | TuxFighter | I couldnt find any information via google about these changes |
| 09:50.50 | musca | reavengrey: yes, the upcoming xorg 1.16 requires new drivers. |
| 09:50.51 | bw_ | what is it with binary drivers today?;) |
| 09:51.12 | reavengrey | musca: K, so I suppose I'm being transitioned then; thanks |
| 09:51.31 | TuxFighter | yea that could be a solution, but I like using the ones from debian |
| 09:51.39 | reavengrey | I'll make the changes necessary to enable radeon |
| 09:51.40 | reavengrey | thanks |
| 09:51.43 | musca | reavengrey: search for alternatives. |
| 09:51.55 | musca | yes.ok |
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| 09:52.27 | reavengrey | musca: I was going to just remove the Xorg.conf generated by aticonfig --initial, and then allow xorg to guess its own config |
| 09:52.43 | reavengrey | By alternatives, you mean, I should update my libGL link, etc manually? |
| 09:53.04 | musca | fglrx contains a blacklist for the radeon kernel modul. |
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| 09:53.21 | reavengrey | Right, thanks for the reminder |
| 09:53.42 | musca | i meant the radeon driver. |
| 09:53.53 | reavengrey | Yes, kernel module = driver, no worries |
| 09:56.53 | TuxFighter | there is also no nvidia-settings package anymore, |
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| 10:01.39 | reavengrey | About to try to restart X |
| 10:01.42 | reavengrey | Wish me luck |
| 10:03.13 | reavengrey | Telinit not availabl? |
| 10:03.26 | reavengrey | $ sudo telinit 1 |
| 10:03.27 | reavengrey | Couldn't find an alternative telinit implementation to spawn. |
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| 10:21.56 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Hello I'm having problems with lxc because my cgroups aren't mounted. How do I go about munting cgroups in debian? |
| 10:22.05 | k-man | which directory on a usb stick should i copy firmware to so the installer can find it during install? |
| 10:22.37 | k-man | the installer appears to not be able to find it in /media/firmware afaict |
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| 10:25.07 | tuxarn1 | hi guys. the auth_ldap.load in apache mods_available does not exist for me, i have no idea what package will give me this, any ideas? |
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| 10:27.15 | k-man | oh, nm, i just downloaded the netinst with firmware included |
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| 10:28.04 | Walex | MouseTheLuckyDog: '/etc/fstab'? |
| 10:28.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | What does this mean: ~/.bash_logout is only run if it you explicitly exit the shell with exit or logout, or by typing Control-D to enter an end-of-file at the command prompt. |
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| 10:28.22 | TyrfingMjolnir | will ~/.bash_logout fire on connection drop? |
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| 10:29.34 | k-man | i'll hazard a guess: no |
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| 10:44.13 | Walex | TyrfingMjolnir: do you think that "connection drop" is a well defined concept? |
| 10:44.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | Well |
| 10:44.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | There is a server side |
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| 10:58.10 | EmleyMoor | My work phone thinks there's a Botany Bay in Greater London... |
| 10:59.12 | EmleyMoor | There is, it seems - but miles from here. |
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| 11:02.17 | Nsales | babilen, any idea why I get the read only fs when booting ? |
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| 11:04.40 | Donse | TyrfingMjolnir: Are you testing it now? otherwise i could do it.. got some spare time |
| 11:04.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | Sweet |
| 11:04.54 | TyrfingMjolnir | In a meeting now |
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| 11:07.56 | junkmechanic | i have always compiled vim to have python/ruby support. is that the right way to go or does debian package it with interpreter support? |
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| 11:09.04 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have never compiled vim when installed in vim |
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| 11:09.30 | TyrfingMjolnir | But I have written quite a couple of 100 000 lines in python |
| 11:09.35 | TyrfingMjolnir | Maybe 80 lines in ruby |
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| 11:16.49 | junkmechanic | TyrfingMjolnir: hmm . have you tried using conque hsell or powerline with vim..i believe it doesnt work without python interpreter suppport... |
| 11:17.14 | junkmechanic | similarly there are plugins for ruby that need ruby runtime support... |
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| 11:52.30 | Mateo_ | Hi everyone ! |
| 11:52.44 | Mateo_ | I have some trouble with curl ⦠I have installed every package needed, but I still have a command not found when I try to use curl in a terminal |
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| 11:53.00 | Mateo_ | If anyone has an idea, that would be time saving ! :) |
| 11:53.42 | formorer | Mateo_: what does dpkg -l curl show? |
| 11:54.37 | Mateo_ | un curl <none> (no description available) |
| 11:55.23 | Donse | TyrfingMjolnir: Here you go: http://pastebin.com/ymh7NfnB |
| 11:56.11 | Donse | unfortunately with default settings it does not, but I'm sure there is a way :D |
| 11:56.18 | formorer | Mateo_: installing curl may help |
| 11:56.27 | Mateo_ | formorer: I used apt-get install php5-curl and it install both libcurl3 and php5-curl |
| 11:56.49 | formorer | that are librarys. |
| 11:57.00 | formorer | install the curl binary. |
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| 11:58.04 | TyrfingMjolnir | Donse: Perfect, thanks. |
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| 11:58.29 | Mateo_ | formorer: Iâm so stupid ⦠Thanks. |
| 11:58.45 | Mateo_ | formorer: Ok. Installed, but still have a php error : Fatal error: Call to undefined function curl() :/ |
| 12:00.11 | formorer | Mateo_: that has nothing to do with the binary. probably the library isn't loaded. restart apache, if this doesn't work, check if the module gets loaded |
| 12:00.52 | Donse | TyrfingMjolnir: Thank you too! It was fun to investigate, learned something new today :D |
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| 12:13.46 | TyrfingMjolnir | Well, will have to write a NodeJS script to listen to and parse the system.log to achieve this? |
| 12:13.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or a socket? Or what? |
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| 12:19.06 | eest | is there a way to get similar behaviour to dpkg --set-selections when only using apt-get? i would rather skip dpkg given https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/FAQ#Q:_Why_does_.27.27dpkg_--set-selections.27.27_not_record_selections_for_unknown_packages.3F |
| 12:19.53 | Walex | eest: perhaps the different roles of DPKG and APT are not yet fully clear to you... |
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| 12:20.54 | Walex | eest: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:21.08 | TuxFighter | Someone know why nvidia-kernel-dkms was remove from the jessie tree ? changelog is too old and google does als not provide any information about the recent changes |
| 12:21.33 | Walex | TuxFighter: #Debian-next on IRC.Debian.org for unreleased versions of Debian |
| 12:22.01 | Walex | eest: for example, are you familiar with 'dselect'? |
| 12:22.14 | TuxFighter | OK. |
| 12:22.31 | eest | Walex: currently i maintain package lists in the format "packagename install" which is feed to dpkg --set-selections and installed with apt-get dselect-upgrade |
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| 12:23.44 | Walex | eest: what is the purpose of doing that? Seems rather convoluted to me. Are you a 'dselect' expert? |
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| 12:23.51 | eest | the mentioned change to dpkg requires that the "available" file is updated beforehand, either by using dselect update, or a apt-get dumpavail dance available in dpkg(1), and it seems to me it would be nicer to only use apt-get and leave dselect behind |
| 12:24.43 | Walex | eest: but why do do mix DPKG, 'dselect' and APT? What's your purpose? |
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| 12:25.06 | eest | the purpouse is having a niceley formatted list of packages that should be installed on each machine, maby this is convoluted, i didnt design it from the beginning |
| 12:25.31 | eest | that is why i am asking of there is a nicer way to do it via apt-get directly |
| 12:26.12 | Walex | eest: xargs < should-be-installed.txt | xargs apt-get install |
| 12:26.15 | eest | i mean, sure, i could loop over a list with apt-get install, but it feels more noisy than apt-get dselect-upgrade |
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| 12:26.27 | Walex | eest: what's wrong with that? |
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| 12:27.03 | Walex | eest: xargs < should-be-installed.txt | xargs apt-get -q install |
| 12:27.48 | Walex | eest: everything related to selections and 'dselect' is something that had a role and a meaning a long time ago when APT was not well established... |
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| 12:29.02 | Walex | eest: and viceversa APT is a dependency manager, and not a package manager like DPKG. So APT does not know about installed packages, only about available packages and their dependencies. |
| 12:29.36 | eest | right, thanks for the clarification |
| 12:29.45 | Walex | eest: xargs < should-be-installed.txt apt-get -q install # oops |
| 12:30.00 | Walex | eest: APT has sort of replaced 'dselect' |
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| 12:30.54 | Walex | eest: if your goal is to ensure that a set of systems have a consistent list of installed packages, there are some configuration management tools that can do that for you. |
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| 12:31.11 | abrotman | dpkg: tell eest about aptitude clone |
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| 12:32.37 | ransdlkfads | guys I think I messed up my fonts in deb7. Any way to "restore" the default fonts? |
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| 12:32.58 | Walex | ransdlkfads: there is not such thing as a non-messed up font configuration :-) |
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| 12:33.12 | ransdlkfads | Walex, oh I see :) |
| 12:33.34 | Walex | ransdlkfads: so you can choose your poison though... |
| 12:33.54 | ransdlkfads | Walex, well the fact is that for example in chrome I can barely read the text, in console they're all shrinked I dunno... |
| 12:34.13 | Walex | ransdlkfads: the main aspect of the situation is that most GNU/Linux systems have *serveral* font systems, and some applications use one and some another (most use one in particular) |
| 12:34.44 | ransdlkfads | yes this indeed. Just I dunno what I did on this system and now I booted up and ouch, such a mess |
| 12:34.52 | Walex | ransdlkfads: that actually is most likely an issues with the dots-per-inch computed by the X server for your display. |
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| 12:35.21 | ransdlkfads | Walex, should I dpkg-reconfigre? |
| 12:35.22 | Walex | ransdlkfads: I have nearly written a complete guide to setting the right DPI etc. for various apps... |
| 12:35.42 | Walex | ransdlkfads: no dpkg-reconfigre, it is most likely a dynamic configuration issue. |
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| 12:36.44 | Walex | ransdlkfads: just to be sure, run: 'xdpyinfo | grep dots |
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| 12:37.10 | eest | Walex: this is actually part of a homebuilt configuration management system, it is a script that bootstraps systems and also keeps them up to date (mostly using apt-get, but --get-selections is used for the choices of packages) |
| 12:37.17 | ransdlkfads | Walex, 96x96 |
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| 12:37.45 | eest | having it walk over the list of packages every hour vs. running dselect-upgrade maby is not that big of a deal |
| 12:38.00 | Walex | eest: uhhhhh I was afraid you would say something like that :-) |
| 12:38.06 | eest | Walex: im so sorry :) |
| 12:38.16 | Walex | I am sorry for you :-) |
| 12:38.47 | Walex | ransdlkfads: that is a plausible value for DPI though |
| 12:39.23 | Walex | ransdlkfads: try to do the following: 'xterm -fa "mono:size=10:dpi-100"' and check whether the characters that come up are sort of the right size for you |
| 12:40.21 | ransdlkfads | Walex, kinda small |
| 12:40.43 | Walex | ransdlkfads: try to do the following: 'xterm -fa "mono:size=10:dpi=100"' (typo!) |
| 12:40.53 | eest | abrotman: thanks for the tip, not really applicable to this specific issue |
| 12:41.07 | Walex | ransdlkfads: then try again with "dpi=130" |
| 12:41.14 | viccuad | How does debian make sure that the tarballs/etc of source they receive haven't been tampered? How much of upstream serves signed sources?? |
| 12:41.18 | abrotman | eest: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 12:41.25 | abrotman | eest: it seems closer to what you're already munging |
| 12:41.53 | ransdlkfads | Walex, oh ok now I like it |
| 12:42.10 | abrotman | eest: But otherwise, yeah, you'll have to feed it with xargs or similar |
| 12:42.13 | eest | at least i'm getting the vibe that i have not missed functionality in apt-get to replace this specific abuse of --set-selections |
| 12:42.25 | abrotman | eest: sadly, no |
| 12:42.44 | Walex | ransdlkfads: you see, I set my DPI to 130 because I have a 100 DPI monitor that I keep at around 80-90 cm distance |
| 12:43.04 | ransdlkfads | Walex, nixe |
| 12:43.05 | ransdlkfads | nice |
| 12:43.18 | Walex | ransdlkfads: what kind of monitor you got and how distant is it from your eyes? |
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| 12:43.25 | Walex | ransdlkfads: and how old are you? :-) |
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| 12:44.00 | ransdlkfads | Walex, 26" 1920x1200 but it's not for me this setup. Let's say 70 cm far |
| 12:44.26 | Prostetnic | hello. |
| 12:44.30 | Walex | ransdlkfads: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/14-one.html#140228 my long writeup on this issue |
| 12:44.40 | ransdlkfads | Walex, thanks! |
| 12:45.55 | Walex | ransdlkfads: most likely your fonts are good and fine. What you need to do is to override the computed DPI with an "optically adjusted" DPI, to something like 120 or 130. |
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| 12:46.39 | eest | Walex, abrotman: thank you for the input |
| 12:46.41 | Walex | ransdlkfads: one way is 'xrandr --dpi 130' but often this affects only stuff started after it is issued. Many applications also ignore that setting and use something else. |
| 12:46.51 | eest | nice to know i was not missing something obvious |
| 12:47.22 | Prostetnic | I'm trying to compile an up to date version of mysql-workbench as the current one is rather old and buggy. Unfortunately the version of libmysqlcppconn-dev that comes with debian does not export a function needed to build it. The version that does is 1.1.1. |
| 12:47.28 | abrotman | eest: well, I agree with Walex .. If you really have dozens of machiens like this, use something like FAI/preseed or Puppet/Chef/Ansible to manage them |
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| 12:48.32 | eest | they are initially configured via preseed, this is the "management script" that take care of them after that, but yeah, it makes me wish they were using something more mainstream ;) |
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| 12:48.36 | Prostetnic | There is a version 1.1.3 in testing but it has the dreaded requirement of libc6 >= 2.14 |
| 12:48.59 | Prostetnic | Does anyone have any further ideas? |
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| 12:50.34 | Brigo | Prostetnic, backport it first |
| 12:51.11 | Walex | eest: the best way for you to get a suitable list of installed packages is something like: dpkg-query -W --showformat '${Package}-${Version}:${Architecture}\n' |
| 12:51.20 | Prostetnic | Brigo, I'm not sure how to do that. Would you have a guide? |
| 12:51.22 | Donse | TyrfingMjolnir: zsh + grml config? |
| 12:51.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | bash |
| 12:51.43 | Walex | eest: perhaps I am a bit too radical, but I try to steer clear of anything vaguely related to selections/'dselect'. |
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| 12:52.50 | Prostetnic | Brigo, this? https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 12:54.12 | Brigo | Prostetnic, no: |
| 12:54.16 | Brigo | !tell Prostetnic about ssd |
| 12:54.51 | Brigo | Prostetnic, about backporting judd bot is very usefull: http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/#sourcepackages |
| 12:55.10 | Walex | Prostetnic: as usual, unreleased Debian version issues for very advanced testers and developers are discussed in #Debian-next on IRC.Debian.org |
| 12:55.17 | Brigo | Prostetnic, ups, a mistake, sorry |
| 12:55.20 | Brigo | !tell Prostetnic about ssb |
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| 12:56.39 | Prostetnic | Thank you Walex and Bringo |
| 12:56.44 | Prostetnic | Brigo |
| 12:57.26 | Brigo | Prostetnic, yw :) |
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| 12:59.24 | Donse | Have a nice one! and a beautiful sunny weekend! |
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| 13:32.13 | paul_grozav | do you know if in C++ i could get the thread id of an opened thread, from the main process? I know I can do it from inside the thread by using syscall(SYS_gettid) but I'd like to use this info outside the thread. Thanks |
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| 13:33.49 | abrotman | paul_grozav: there is a channel just for C++ |
| 13:34.07 | abrotman | paul_grozav: ##c++ |
| 13:34.09 | paul_grozav | abrotman: well it's a system call, |
| 13:34.27 | paul_grozav | I think the answer depends on the os |
| 13:34.38 | paul_grozav | but i'll ask there too, thanks |
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| 13:57.42 | Topslakr | Is it possible in Debian to put boot on a software RAID1 lvm partition? |
| 13:58.58 | codekK | Hi, i have a issue with Debian Testing and AMD Drivers. I Had installed the fglrx propietary driver and after a upgrade it crashes, i read about the fglrx driver was removed from reps. Im trying install open source drivers (xserver-xorg-video-ati) but i cant get working display manager, when i do "startx" i get error "screens not found" some suggestions, please? |
| 13:59.35 | bw_ | Topslakr: yes, if you mean boot as in /boot (kernels, grub config and stuff) |
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| 13:59.48 | RedDeath | ok codekK |
| 13:59.56 | RedDeath | i had same problem |
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| 14:00.11 | RedDeath | i resolve with a live cd |
| 14:00.15 | codekK | RedDeath, and u solve it atm? |
| 14:00.25 | RedDeath | you need to boot a live cd on your machine |
| 14:00.31 | RedDeath | after you boot |
| 14:00.49 | RedDeath | you need to go in /etc/default/grub |
| 14:00.59 | RedDeath | and edit grub in line |
| 14:01.39 | codekK | Hm dont need live cd for edit this file, cause i can login to system in tty mode |
| 14:02.03 | RedDeath | I tried editing: |
| 14:02.19 | RedDeath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:02.28 | RedDeath | by modifying |
| 14:02.35 | RedDeath | #GRUB_GFXMODE=800x600 |
| 14:02.42 | RedDeath | to GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768 |
| 14:02.46 | RedDeath | and after |
| 14:03.08 | RedDeath | From gedit, select Open, select your drive and navigate to /boot/grub and open grub.cfg |
| 14:03.14 | RedDeath | Edit line |
| 14:03.21 | RedDeath | set gfxmode=auto |
| 14:03.27 | RedDeath | replace with |
| 14:03.41 | RedDeath | set gfxmode=1024x768 |
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| 14:03.49 | RedDeath | Add line immediately after |
| 14:03.55 | RedDeath | set gfxpayload=keep |
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| 14:04.04 | codekK | What does the grub with the graphic driver? |
| 14:04.09 | RedDeath | so this is how i solve my problem |
| 14:04.14 | bw_ | codekk: KMS |
| 14:04.32 | towo` | GRUB_GFXMODE has nothing to do with kms |
| 14:04.36 | RedDeath | my problem was an error: Out of range monitor |
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| 14:05.04 | RedDeath | i think if you cant see your monitor is from here like my |
| 14:05.06 | codekK | i get error: "Fatal server error: no screens found(EE)" |
| 14:05.15 | codekK | i can see my monitor |
| 14:05.25 | codekK | I can not start the desktop |
| 14:05.33 | towo` | codekK, paste the whole Xorg.0.log |
| 14:05.43 | RedDeath | yes |
| 14:05.49 | RedDeath | maybe is Xorg |
| 14:05.52 | towo` | codekK, make sure, there is no radeon-blacklist and no xorg.conf |
| 14:05.57 | codekK | Second i need a pendrive cause im in other computer |
| 14:06.09 | codekK | towo`, i remove the blacklist of radeon and the xorg.conf |
| 14:06.14 | codekK | and no effect take |
| 14:06.24 | towo` | codekK, then paste the complete log! |
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| 14:06.46 | codekK | second |
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| 14:06.59 | dvs | towo`: so what cha saying? ;-) |
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| 14:07.57 | RedDeath | codekK try Install/reinstall the xserver-xorg-video-ati & xserver-xorg-video-radeon packages |
| 14:08.19 | RedDeath | read this on debian forum please ---> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=80463 |
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| 14:19.52 | mrAZ | i need to allow one user to delete dirs, in subdirectory owned by second user. which way to go? |
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| 14:23.06 | codekK | towo`, bw_ here is my Xorg.0.log http://paste.debian.net/110404/ |
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| 14:24.45 | towo` | codekK, there is no error |
| 14:24.50 | Walex | mrAZ: perhaps ACLs, perhaps a setuid program. But what you may be asking may be too fine grained. |
| 14:24.52 | towo` | codekK, your x is running |
| 14:24.58 | codekK | not really |
| 14:25.02 | dvs | codekK: That's not the entire log |
| 14:25.14 | towo` | codekK, and btw, that looks like hybrid graphics |
| 14:25.26 | towo` | and the log is from start with intel |
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| 14:25.37 | codekK | Hm i dont understand why :S |
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| 14:26.18 | codekK | towo`, and hybrid graphics why? :s I doesnt have two graphic card |
| 14:26.46 | towo` | codekK, your log say, you have |
| 14:26.48 | dvs | codekK: newer Intel chip have built in graphics capabilities |
| 14:27.06 | codekK | dvs, nah my chip isnt new |
| 14:27.12 | codekK | have more than eight years |
| 14:27.13 | towo` | [ 27.764] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:a011:1025:034a rev 0, Mem @ 0x58180000/524288, 0x40000000/268435456, 0x58000000/1048576, I/O @ 0x000060c0/8 |
| 14:27.13 | towo` | [ 27.765] (--) PCI: (0:0:2:1) 8086:a012:1025:034a rev 0, Mem @ 0x58100000/524288 |
| 14:27.23 | towo` | two graphics devices |
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| 14:28.08 | dvs | codekK: What CPU do you have? |
| 14:28.17 | codekK | My CPU is Intel Quad core Q6600 and graphic card AMD HD 7790 |
| 14:28.34 | codekK | motherboard asus p5q-pro |
| 14:28.35 | towo` | codekK, then your paste is not your log |
| 14:28.42 | codekK | Hmm |
| 14:28.57 | codekK | Maybe with an error i paste the log of the computer im now |
| 14:29.05 | codekK | second.. and srry |
| 14:29.30 | codekK | Ok i paste the wrong log |
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| 14:31.17 | codekK | http://paste.debian.net/110405/ towo` dvs |
| 14:31.20 | codekK | here is the crrectly log |
| 14:32.05 | towo` | [ 1948.519] (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported. |
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| 14:32.15 | towo` | without KMS no radeon |
| 14:32.29 | towo` | so, lsmod shows radeon loaded? |
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| 14:33.19 | codekK | lsmod | grep radeon/ati/amd n results |
| 14:33.23 | codekK | then i think isnt loaded |
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| 14:36.00 | codekK | towo`, i thnk isnt not loaded |
| 14:36.35 | towo` | codekK, then i would say, there is a blacklist |
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| 14:37.05 | codekK | hm at /etc/modprobe.d/ i didnt have blacklisted radeon |
| 14:37.22 | codekK | maybe in other route? |
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| 14:37.29 | towo` | not you, but a fglrx package |
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| 14:37.41 | towo` | codekK, dpkg -l | grep fglrx |
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| 14:38.27 | codekK | I had a fbdev-blacklist.conf with lines: arkfb aty128fb atyfb radeonfb.... kyrofb.. neofb pm2fb.. and more |
| 14:38.56 | towo` | <towo`> codekK, dpkg -l | grep fglrx |
| 14:39.05 | codekK | i saw tree packages |
| 14:39.10 | codekK | purge them? |
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| 14:39.37 | towo` | apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/fglrx/{ print $2 }') |
| 14:40.00 | codekK | done |
| 14:40.07 | codekK | rebooting |
| 14:40.09 | towo` | and then again, with no radeon kernel module, no x with radeon |
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| 14:41.18 | codekK | Still without desktop. towo` but what is the radeon kernel module? :S |
| 14:41.44 | towo` | that what should shown on lsmod | grep radeon |
| 14:41.54 | towo` | modprobe radeon sayes what? |
| 14:42.04 | codekK | nothing |
| 14:42.08 | codekK | and now |
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| 14:42.18 | codekK | the lsmod | grep radeon had an output |
| 14:42.29 | towo` | now start x |
| 14:42.30 | codekK | but startx still without working |
| 14:42.34 | codekK | same error |
| 14:42.41 | codekK | fatal server error: n screens found |
| 14:42.54 | towo` | ls -al /etc/modprobe.d |
| 14:42.58 | codekK | xinit: giving up, xinit: unable to connect to X server, xinit: server error |
| 14:43.00 | Psychon4ut | Hi, can someone help me to get my monitor working at 120 Hz ? jessie, nvidia dual monitor one monitor is able to 120Hz |
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| 14:43.31 | codekK | towo`, two files i had in modprobe.d are root:root -rw-r--r-- |
| 14:43.52 | towo` | i will see the files |
| 14:43.56 | towo` | grr |
| 14:44.02 | towo` | i want to see the files |
| 14:44.08 | codekK | One file is dkms.conf and its empty, other one is fbdev-blacklist.conf it had a many mdules |
| 14:44.13 | codekK | Ok |
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| 14:44.53 | towo` | then i want to see the output of dmesg | grep -i radeon |
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| 14:45.15 | codekK | towo`, fbdev-blacklist.conf http://paste.debian.net/110407/ |
| 14:45.25 | codekK | and the other one (dkms.conf) only have a comments its a empty file |
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| 14:45.59 | codekK | towo`, dmesg | grep -i radeon > [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled. |
| 14:46.16 | towo` | codekK, now paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:46.24 | codekK | ok |
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| 14:47.11 | codekK | towo`, http://paste.debian.net/110408/ |
| 14:47.15 | codekK | same than before |
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| 14:51.30 | m5 | Hi |
| 14:51.43 | m5 | Is it possible to install debian onto a laptop with no graphics card? |
| 14:51.51 | m5 | I'm looking for alternative interfaces |
| 14:51.54 | towo` | codekK, wy you don't use a recent kernel? |
| 14:52.13 | m5 | It'll be a server so I don't need graphics |
| 14:52.23 | m5 | Just makes the installation a bit difficult |
| 14:52.39 | codekK | towo`, 3.10 isnt a recent kernel? |
| 14:52.44 | towo` | no |
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| 14:53.09 | codekK | towo`, the kernel didnt upgrade with dist-upgrade or upgrade? |
| 14:53.15 | towo` | sice your xserver is 1.6-rc, i would say, you are using testing or sid |
| 14:53.17 | SPF | m5: I'm sure it's possible, routers dont have a graphical card either. No idea how though, you have to use the serial port to access the system |
| 14:53.32 | codekK | towo`, |
| 14:53.32 | towo` | codekK, sure kernels do, if you have the metapackage installed |
| 14:53.33 | codekK | im on sid |
| 14:53.34 | m5 | No serial either |
| 14:53.42 | codekK | towo`, |
| 14:53.43 | codekK | no! |
| 14:53.45 | codekK | sry im on testing |
| 14:53.48 | codekK | Jessie |
| 14:53.58 | towo` | codekK, testing has 3.14 |
| 14:54.02 | sandman13 | codekk 3.14 is recent I guess |
| 14:54.05 | codekK | Hmm |
| 14:54.10 | codekK | Then how i upgrade it= |
| 14:54.15 | codekK | What is the metapackage? |
| 14:54.18 | codekK | For autoupgrade |
| 14:54.22 | sandman13 | apt-get install linux-image |
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| 14:54.35 | towo` | codekK, why you use testing, if you can't handle it propper? |
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| 14:55.02 | towo` | sandman13, linux-image-amd64 |
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| 14:55.10 | sandman13 | towo`: was writing that |
| 14:55.29 | sandman13 | moreover upgrading also helps AFAIK |
| 14:55.30 | codekK | towo`, cause i want to learn about linux, and want newer software |
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| 14:56.33 | codekK | I like to try handle my problems, but this time i tried solve it and when i had no ideas and google a lot i call for help :) |
| 14:56.42 | SPF | m5: it aint possible to connect an external monitor or something or is the graphical card broken? |
| 14:56.56 | codekK | Ok sandman13 and towo` kernels is upgrade |
| 14:57.04 | m5 | i tried VGA and HDMI outputs |
| 14:57.13 | m5 | I guess I could try and replace it |
| 14:57.25 | m5 | Chances are they won't be compatible |
| 14:57.33 | SPF | m5: you could try a live cd, see if you can login remotely |
| 14:57.41 | codekK | towo`, i have x now |
| 14:57.52 | m5 | I don't think it runs any servers from the livecd |
| 14:57.57 | m5 | Like sshd |
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| 14:58.30 | SPF | m5: you can try to find a live cd which has sshd by default |
| 14:58.39 | SPF | or make one yourself |
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| 14:58.56 | codekK | towo`, thanks a lot now i can see my beautiful desktop again :D how i can see what drivers are running atm? |
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| 14:59.17 | towo` | codekK, glxinfo | grep -i render |
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| 15:00.56 | codekK | This is correct for open source drivers? -> paste.debian.net/110412/ glxinfo | grep -i render |
| 15:01.20 | towo` | codekK, yes, looks good |
| 15:02.03 | codekK | Okey thank you a lot towo` very friendly |
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| 15:02.21 | Topslakr | I've done more than a dozen installs and every time, Debian fails to boot. I'm trying to do a soft RAID1 with LVM on top. Is there some trick I'm missing. |
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| 15:03.41 | Topslakr | First error I get is that the disk 'mduuid/[guid#] is not found. Is it not assembled? |
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| 15:07.54 | paul_grozav | say I set a ulimit of 10 processes for a group of users. What will happen? will each user from that group be limited to opening 10 processes? or will the sum of open processes of all users in that group be limited to 10? |
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| 15:15.03 | duggles | paul_grozav: iirc the limit is per member of the group when the prefix on the gid is the '@' symbol |
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| 15:16.23 | paul_grozav | duggles: thanks |
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| 15:35.23 | pkutzner | Anyone in here familiar with the Debian installer preseed process? |
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| 15:36.45 | OpenTokix | pkutzner: yes |
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| 15:37.04 | pkutzner | Is there a way to log from a early_command script? |
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| 15:37.23 | pkutzner | I tried doing so the usual way within the script echo "blahblah" >>$SOMEFILE |
| 15:37.26 | pkutzner | but it's not working. |
| 15:37.51 | OpenTokix | pkutzner: Where are you going to log? |
| 15:37.57 | OpenTokix | pkutzner: you have nothing to write to |
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| 15:38.20 | pkutzner | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.40 | pkutzner | it's in partman/early_command |
| 15:38.57 | OpenTokix | pkutzner: /var/log/somefile does not exist at that point |
| 15:39.05 | OpenTokix | err. /var/log dont |
| 15:39.11 | pkutzner | I'm trying to do mdraid and have the early_command script set the device names. |
| 15:39.27 | OpenTokix | pkutzner: There is a ramdisk you can write to |
| 15:39.30 | pkutzner | It works in a VM I have set up, but is failing on physical hardware. |
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| 15:39.52 | OpenTokix | pkutzner: you mean for the autoselect on the devices, from /dev/vda to /dev/sda for instance? |
| 15:40.02 | pkutzner | yes |
| 15:40.23 | pkutzner | and to set the mdraid recipe |
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| 15:41.03 | pkutzner | where is the ramdisk location I can write to? I'm just trying to output what's being set... Since the debug output only shows the script itself, not the final values being set. |
| 15:41.13 | OpenTokix | pkutzner: just make it work on your vm with /dev/vda /dev/vdb - then change the recipe for /dev/sda/dev/sdb for your physical hardware. |
| 15:41.38 | OpenTokix | pkutzner: Start a normal installation, and then jump into shell at the partition point and look around. - I am not 100% sure right now |
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| 15:43.14 | pkutzner | Well, I'm trying to take into account if there is 1 or 2 disks present. I want it to still set up the mdraid on the drive, only in a degraded state if there's only 1 present. Hence the script... |
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| 15:44.03 | OpenTokix | pkutzner: oh |
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| 15:59.02 | MouseTheLuckyDog | When I do /etc/init.d/cgroupfs-mount status, I get a message cgroup is not mounted. The reason is that mountpoint -q /sys/fs/cgroup returns a false. I run mount and it says that cgroup is mounted at /sys/fs/cgroup. I ask because I am trying to run lxc and from it's perspective cgroup needs to be mounted. |
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| 16:23.37 | sandman13 | it's weird. I can connect to Wi-Fi if I am too close to Wi-Fi in other cases I can't connect, I am using 3.14 backported kernel |
| 16:24.16 | sandman13 | (the internet connection fails if I move my laptop to next room) |
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| 16:42.17 | codebear | any thoughts on msi mobo compatibility on laptops? |
| 16:42.41 | codebear | or general tips to check before buy quickly |
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| 16:49.57 | eest | Walex: sorry, was afk: yeah i think it is ugly mixing apt-get with dselect as well, i guess the reason has been that it was the easiest way to be able to "submit" a list of packages for the machine to keep track of, without having to loop over a list over and over |
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| 16:54.06 | sandman13 | is there a way to view what's going on behind the graphical installer? |
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| 17:01.24 | OldParr | xfce do not starts automatically, i have to write startx by hand ? |
| 17:01.57 | formorer | OldParr: you should install a display manager, like xdm, lightdm or gdm |
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| 17:02.38 | OldParr | formorer: is xdm the one for xfce ? |
| 17:02.52 | formorer | xfce doesn't have its own displaymanager |
| 17:03.08 | OldParr | formorer: thanks |
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| 17:39.38 | paul_grozav | say I set a quota of 10GB for a group of users. What will happen? will each user from that group be limited to using 10GB on that partition? or will the sum of used space of all users in that group be limited to 10GB? |
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| 17:41.12 | namix | kann der xorg radeon treiber aus jessie/sid mit einer radeon hd 8570D apu umgehen? |
| 17:41.19 | namix | ups, sry |
| 17:42.52 | Nik05 | namix radeon works on my 7870 |
| 17:43.24 | Nik05 | with xorg 1.16 there is now glamor stuff |
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| 17:44.08 | Nik05 | which is in sid |
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| 17:51.32 | ag4ve | is there a good way to sort file sizes given in #Unit ? ie 1.1K < 1.0G < 1.2T ? |
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| 17:52.47 | paul_grozav | say I set a quota of 10GB for a group of users. What will happen? will each user from that group be limited to using 10GB on that partition? or will the sum of used space of all users in that group be limited to 10GB? |
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| 17:54.36 | paul_grozav | How can I set a quota on a group of users, and have it reflect to each user? For example if I set a limit of 10GB on /dev/sdb on a group, I'd like to allow each user to use 10GB on that drive, instead of allowing 10 GB for all users in that group |
| 17:54.47 | tensorpudding | ag4ve: sort has an -h flag that does that kind of thing. |
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| 17:56.38 | ag4ve | ah cool, thanks |
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| 18:33.04 | Walex | paul_grozav: it is an interesting itch, submit patches :-) |
| 18:34.46 | paul_grozav | Walex: huh? |
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| 18:36.54 | Abbott | if i encrypt my drive during installation, there's absolutely no way anyone could get any kind of information off of my machine without a username and password to log in with, right? |
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| 18:37.20 | dvs | Abbott: I think it's just a password, no username needed. |
| 18:37.29 | Walex | Abbott: that's extremely naive |
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| 18:37.43 | Walex | Abbott: what kind of budget do your adversaries have? |
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| 18:38.06 | Abbott | it depends on their efforts more than their budget |
| 18:38.15 | Walex | Abbott: http://xkcd.com/538/ |
| 18:38.23 | Abbott | whether they will want to spend time decrypting my drive |
| 18:38.34 | Walex | Abbott: that is a pleasant illusion |
| 18:39.09 | Walex | Abbott: and it is an extremely pleasant illusion that you will get an answer that you can understand from IRC :-) |
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| 18:39.47 | Abbott | could you humor me at least |
| 18:39.58 | Abbott | then i can spend the next 20 mins furiously googling and translating your message |
| 18:40.05 | Walex | Abbott: you have asked "absolutely no way anyone could get any kind of information off of my machine |
| 18:40.19 | Walex | Abbott: you have asked "absolutely no way anyone could get any kind of information off of my machine": the answer is NO. |
| 18:40.23 | Abbott | alright i guess i meant more in a practical sense |
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| 18:40.57 | Abbott | the life of the planet isn't on the line but my adversaries aren't the IT guy at a high school |
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| 18:41.16 | Walex | Abbott: in a practical sense putting a webcam or a microphone near to you when you type your password is cheap and effective. |
| 18:41.33 | Abbott | my adversaries would try some basic, commercially available decrypting stuff |
| 18:41.35 | dvs | turns on Abbott's webcam |
| 18:41.40 | Abbott | lol |
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| 18:42.16 | Abbott | all attempts would be to recover stuff solely with the drive, they wouldn't have me or any kind of recorded or logged incidences of me interacting with the machine |
| 18:42.31 | Walex | Abbott: that is quite a funny assumption :-) |
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| 18:43.08 | Walex | Abbott: just read panel 1 of the XKCD cartoon then, that's the answer that you want to hear |
| 18:43.47 | Abbott | so you think it's much more likely that people will use other means to tie this box to me and then beat me with a wrench for access to its contents |
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| 18:44.14 | Abbott | or other blunt object i guess |
| 18:44.31 | heurist | Abbott: wrenches and webcams is the way to go. |
| 18:44.43 | Walex | Abbott: if you use a well known crypto *system* and are careful with the password your data will be fairly cryptographically secure against most decryption attempts. |
| 18:45.25 | heurist | Abbott: full disk encryption may help you agains the kids that pick up you latptop from where you left it on a train, resturant, car, or desk. |
| 18:45.28 | Walex | Abbott: obviously the "bad" guys would rather use "indirect" means. |
| 18:45.42 | Abbott | right |
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| 18:46.18 | Walex | Abbott: so disk encryption is a privacy thing. It is a pretty good privacy thing. If you want *security* that is a lot harder. |
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| 18:46.49 | Abbott | what exactly do you mean |
| 18:47.10 | Abbott | or is that a matter of how i use it and how it connects to the outside world |
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| 18:47.42 | Walex | Abbott: if you have motive to think that someone wants your data and have the sort of budget that a criminal gang or a city police force have... |
| 18:48.06 | heurist | Abbott: when it is conneting to the outside world the drive is not encrypted anymore anyway. |
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| 18:50.27 | Abbott | but it still can remain private if i use encrypted/secure connections right |
| 18:50.49 | dvs | creates the "brainbleed" bug |
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| 18:51.05 | Abbott | dvs ;[ |
| 18:51.45 | heurist | Abbott: same answer as above, encrtypting it helps, it is probably good enough to most people's purposes, but no promises. |
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| 18:54.07 | Kireji | in the past when I've rebooted my server, sometime when there is a Loong wait before it comes back up, people have told me it's doing some kind of disk checking. particularly bad when it's been a long time since last reboot. Is there a way I can do whatever disk checks before I reboot so it doesn't happen? |
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| 18:55.03 | bazhang | Kireji, on ubuntu? |
| 18:55.07 | Kireji | yes |
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| 18:55.14 | bazhang | why post here |
| 18:55.18 | heurist | Kireji: for all but the root filesystem yes, but you will need to take each filesystem offline while checking that one. |
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| 18:55.24 | Kireji | the debian people are nicer and more helpful |
| 18:55.44 | teraflop | then use debian Kireji as a tribute |
| 18:55.46 | teraflop | :P |
| 18:55.52 | bazhang | you're crossposting in #ubuntu |
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| 18:56.31 | Kireji | teraflop: I got frustrated that packages were far out of date on debian. ran debian for over 10 years |
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| 18:57.31 | Kireji | heurist: is it simply umount and fsck? |
| 18:57.49 | Kireji | heurist: I don't really understand what I have to do |
| 18:57.55 | duggles | Kireji: if you want to not jave the automated fscks, you can is the tune2fs command to change it |
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| 18:58.00 | duggles | have* |
| 18:58.54 | heurist | Kireji: yes, unmount then fsck then remount. |
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| 18:59.16 | Abbott | thank you guys for answering my questions |
| 18:59.25 | Abbott | and i liked the xkcd comic lol |
| 18:59.26 | Kireji | bazhang: see, four pepole interested and engaged and helpful here, crickets in #ubuntu |
| 18:59.30 | Kireji | heurist: thank you |
| 18:59.35 | heurist | Kireji: having a small root filesystem makes the during-boot check of that one fast as well. |
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| 19:01.06 | Kireji | just to be clear, after I umount I run "sudo fsck /dev/sdb1" |
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| 19:01.14 | Kireji | never done this before |
| 19:01.24 | Kireji | reading man page |
| 19:01.34 | heurist | Kireji: yes, after reading the man. |
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| 19:01.50 | wakd | Kireji, fsck on ext4 is much faster than on ext3 (becaase you said "in the past", maybe that was ext3) |
| 19:02.33 | Kireji | wakd: how do I determine if a fs is ext3 or 4? |
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| 19:02.45 | heurist | wakd: ext3 and ext4 are about the same speed, it was ext2 that was SLOW. |
| 19:03.00 | wakd | Kireji, blkid |
| 19:03.03 | Kireji | found it, its in mtab |
| 19:03.05 | ciscon | anybody know how to disable the lid close suspend behavior in unstable? i can't figure out what's signaling it for the life of me, not acpid apparently. |
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| 19:03.38 | Kireji | these are ext3 |
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| 19:04.27 | Kireji | so the fsck took 2 seconds |
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| 19:04.46 | Kireji | :/ |
| 19:05.11 | duggles | heh |
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| 19:05.32 | heurist | Kireji: fsck -f maybe |
| 19:05.36 | duggles | larger partitions take longer |
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| 19:05.58 | OldParr | debian does not detects my wireless internet connection on my notebook |
| 19:06.15 | duggles | heurist: -f? what does what do? |
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| 19:06.45 | wakd | Kireji, fsck -fp to get the behaviour used at boot |
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| 19:07.30 | duggles | nvm |
| 19:07.35 | heurist | duggles: man fsck but -f tells it check even if it thinks it does not need to. |
| 19:07.36 | wakd | Kireji, if you want action, or just -f to force it |
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| 19:08.05 | duggles | heurist: it's an ext specific option (so it's not in the fsck manpage which threw me) |
| 19:08.43 | heurist | duggles: ha, sorry. |
| 19:08.59 | wakd | heurist, when I changed ext3 to ext4, my fsck goes much faster |
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| 19:09.52 | petern_ | Hmm, somehow my system gets through processes really quickly. 1 day uptime and it's gone past pid 1100000... |
| 19:09.54 | OldParr | is there any magic word to detect a wireless internet conection on a notebook with debian? |
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| 19:10.51 | mtn | OldParr: did you follow the debian wireless wiki? |
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| 19:11.03 | OldParr | no |
| 19:11.08 | OldParr | i will |
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| 19:12.32 | OldParr | mtn: do you mean https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 19:12.49 | mtn | OldParr: looks good |
| 19:13.17 | rryoumaa | how do i get debsecan to not tell me about vulnerabilities that it has already told me about? |
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| 19:33.26 | punto | hi.. I'm on debian "jessie" according to my sources.list, I tried to install package "redmine" but after an apt-get update the package dissapeared, it's no longer available for install. what happened to it? |
| 19:33.58 | punto | is "jessie" the unstable branch? |
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| 19:34.26 | Walex | punto: yes, and if you don't know you should not use it unless you have a high sense of humour |
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| 19:34.43 | mtn | punto: no, jessie is testing |
| 19:34.47 | punto | I thought it was testing |
| 19:34.54 | punto | ok |
| 19:35.11 | Walex | punto: in any case any issue with unreleased unfinished versions please use #Debian-next on IRC.Debian.org |
| 19:35.15 | mtn | punto: things like that happen in testing and sid |
| 19:35.20 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: Fix them. |
| 19:35.25 | smyers | jessie is testing, sid is always unstable |
| 19:35.36 | smyers | Or, unstable is always sid |
| 19:35.47 | punto | will jessie stop being testing at some point? |
| 19:36.00 | smyers | When it's done testing, it will move to stable |
| 19:36.03 | jhutchins | punto: Yeah, when it's ready. |
| 19:36.15 | punto | so there's no way to be on testing eternally like with sid? |
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| 19:36.30 | smyers | Use the name "testing" instead of the codename |
| 19:36.30 | jhutchins | ,v redmine |
| 19:36.31 | judd | Package: redmine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-2; squeeze-security: 1.0.1-2; squeeze-backports: 1.1.2-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.4.4+dfsg1-2+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 2.5.1-2~bpo70+1; sid: 2.5.2-1 |
| 19:36.51 | mtn | punto: yes, but you won't like it ;) |
| 19:36.54 | smyers | testing will always be testing, even if e.g. jessie moves to stable |
| 19:37.08 | smyers | But yeah, what mtn said. It's a rought place to be |
| 19:37.11 | smyers | *rough |
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| 19:37.44 | smyers | Using the codenames means no surprise need to dist-upgrade when you just wanted a new openssl :) |
| 19:37.44 | sandman13 | unless you are experienced don't switch to Testing |
| 19:37.48 | punto | is it rougher than unstable? stable is too stale |
| 19:37.53 | jhutchins | punto: There is probably a bugreport that says why it got pulled. |
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| 19:38.14 | jhutchins | punto: Usually it's something like critical bugs outstanding for months with no updates released. |
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| 19:38.41 | jhutchins | punto: That or the version in testing was too buggy, and the one in sid's not redy. |
| 19:39.00 | jhutchins | punto: It should move into testing if it's acceptable. |
| 19:39.04 | zykotick9 | punto: "stable is too stale" <- in your opinion. personally, i think testing/unstable are downgrades from stable but YMMV |
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| 19:39.18 | jhutchins | punto: This is one of the problems with running testing, sometimes things just go away. |
| 19:39.20 | smyers | stable might be "stale", but...it's also stable |
| 19:39.26 | smyers | Like...STABLE. |
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| 19:39.37 | punto | are squeeze and wheezy also nicknames for stable/unstable etc? |
| 19:39.44 | sandman13 | fire rockets it won't crash |
| 19:39.47 | smyers | punto, https://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 19:39.50 | Spec | squeeze is oldstable, wheezy is stable, punto |
| 19:40.02 | rryoumaa | jhutchins: i infer from that answer that there is no way to achieve incremental reporting |
| 19:40.08 | smyers | I'm sure there's some dpkg queue I could've used, but eh. The link is an easy read |
| 19:40.20 | jhutchins | punto: Rember that packages in stable have patches that mean they're not the same as similar version numbers upstream. |
| 19:40.20 | punto | haha I didn't know there was stabler than stable |
| 19:40.27 | smyers | s/queue/cue :\ |
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| 19:40.52 | smyers | stable is always the most stable, oldstable doesn't get as much love |
| 19:41.07 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: THere might be, I don't know, but fixing them will make the reports go away. Why not do that? |
| 19:41.58 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: I know rkhunter has a config file that documents how to whitelist different kinds of alerts. |
| 19:42.11 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: debscan might have the same thing. |
| 19:42.21 | punto | it's like osx releases, I've no idea if a wheezy is newer than a squeezy or a mountain tiger :p |
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| 19:42.41 | rryoumaa | jhutchins: you want me to read 60 cve reports, download sources, patch my debian wheezy code, and install my own versions of each of them? |
| 19:42.53 | rryoumaa | there is no debsecan in /etc :( |
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| 19:44.06 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: Why are you bothering to scan if you're not going to read the CVEs? |
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| 19:45.48 | DammitJim | what is the utility that allows one to put something to standby and hibernate? |
| 19:45.58 | DammitJim | I was reading there is some kind of feature like that? |
| 19:46.26 | jhutchins | DammitJim: Depend on the hardware, a lot of desktops can't do that. |
| 19:46.33 | centrx | DammitJim, "standby" and "hibernate" usually mean the entire computer. It's called "Power Management" |
| 19:46.34 | rryoumaa | jhutchins: who said i didn't read them? |
| 19:46.51 | rryoumaa | i don't read all of them because i don't use all of them |
| 19:47.18 | rryoumaa | but i don't want the same cve reported more than once, for the same reason i don't want the same log messages reported more than once |
| 19:47.29 | rryoumaa | (for the same timestamp that is) |
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| 19:49.24 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 19:49.50 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: Looks like --only-fixed might be useful to you. |
| 19:50.29 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: Doesn't look like there's an incremental option. Perhaps you could suggest that. |
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| 20:00.12 | edoardo | i need to run a dns server on my debian laptop so i can relay all connections on one ip address |
| 20:00.41 | edoardo | but i'd like to be also able to use my default (my router's) default dns meanwhile |
| 20:01.00 | edoardo | any hints? i don't know where to start |
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| 20:02.46 | ciscon | i don't think i quite understand what you're going for- you want to run a resolver on your laptop so that things behind your laptop can resolve dns? |
| 20:03.16 | Spec | 'relay all connections on one ip address' <-- what? |
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| 20:03.28 | edoardo | i have a wifi ap where people can connect |
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| 20:04.06 | edoardo | but i'd like to make available only an apache2 server on my laptop |
| 20:04.13 | edoardo | i mean, |
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| 20:04.31 | edoardo | i connect to the network, i try to go to google but i get the apache2 server |
| 20:04.57 | Spec | that's what you want? |
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| 20:05.20 | edoardo | what's wrong with me today? i can't speak proper english heh |
| 20:05.27 | ciscon | right, you want a transparent proxy that redirects everything to a locally run apache2 server- you can do that with iptables |
| 20:05.37 | Spec | yeah, dns isn't exactly the right solution |
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| 20:06.03 | bee27 | hello... im after some help with the kernel accessing the rootfs from a usb device... doesnt look like my kernel is finding the device |
| 20:06.04 | ciscon | just let dns requests route properly, or if you really wanted to you could run a bind resolver on that box as well but there really isn't a point |
| 20:06.07 | edoardo | but i can't find an option to activate a proxy on the router's control panel |
| 20:06.25 | edoardo | i can only set a (forced) custom dns |
| 20:06.46 | edoardo | it's just a home router/ap, nothing fancy |
| 20:07.13 | ciscon | oh, you're trying to do all of this with some router firmware? i have no idea. just use it as a bridge and setup a box as your router and do everything on that (including hosting your apache server and whatnot) |
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| 20:07.48 | mtn | bee27: is it seen using lsusb while plugged in? |
| 20:08.04 | Spec | edoardo: 'forced' custom dns is probably not really forced |
| 20:08.16 | edoardo | Spec, that's what the vendor wrote :) |
| 20:08.29 | bee27 | its dropped out to the dracut shell.... lsusb is not found |
| 20:08.33 | Spec | edoardo: it's probably just setting dns via dhcp |
| 20:08.37 | ciscon | yeah, that just lets you override which servers you're going to give the clients for dns resolution. |
| 20:08.57 | edoardo | so if an user has 8.8.8.8 or whatever set as dns this will have no effect? |
| 20:09.04 | ciscon | setup a box as a router and just turn off routing functionality on your ap, it'll be much easier to do this with a linux box hehe |
| 20:09.11 | ciscon | nope |
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| 20:09.29 | edoardo | let's see..... |
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| 20:09.35 | mtn | bee27: so you don't have debian booted up on the hard drive? not sure what you are doing |
| 20:10.06 | bee27 | mtn: im trying to get debian working on an arm based nas box (others have successfully on this model) |
| 20:10.24 | mtn | bee27: ok, no knowledge of that |
| 20:10.42 | bee27 | mtn: i have got the device booting into the kernel from usb, but once in the linux kernel it isnt finding the usb... its not loading the modules etc |
| 20:10.43 | edoardo | ciscon, i can see a "dhcp mode: relay" as an option |
| 20:10.50 | ciscon | edoardo: what you want is your linux box to be the router and act as a transparent proxy, only allowing certain traffic to route and redirecting all http traffic to a locally hosted apache daemon- just turn routing off on your ap and setup a linux box to be a router. |
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| 20:11.06 | edoardo | is it right? |
| 20:11.21 | Spec | edoardo: what he says is what i would do |
| 20:11.24 | ciscon | edoardo: yeah, it's relaying dhcp requests from the clients up to your actual dhcp server as opposed to doing it itself. |
| 20:11.26 | Spec | or use a router w/ dd-wrt |
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| 20:13.00 | edoardo | thanks everyone |
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| 20:13.06 | edoardo | i'll try the relay way |
| 20:13.38 | ciscon | well, that's not going to accomplish what you want (at least to my understanding), but go for it :-) |
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| 20:36.46 | edoardo | yeah! found the name for what i need |
| 20:36.50 | edoardo | a "captive portal" |
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| 20:37.36 | centrx | Interesting |
| 20:38.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is there some documentation on what it takes to replicate a Debian install using debootstrap? For example, filling /etc/fstab etc. |
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| 20:58.33 | jhutchins | Eduard_Munteanu: Tell us more about what you're trying to do. |
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| 20:59.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | jhutchins: I'm trying to install Debian in a more customized fashion than the installer lets me, mostly related to partitioning |
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| 20:59.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | (Thanks for noticing my reconnect.) |
| 20:59.56 | jhutchins | Eduard_Munteanu: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 21:00.15 | jhutchins | Eduard_Munteanu: There's an advanced mode installation that lets you partition manually. |
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| 21:00.49 | jhutchins | Eduard_Munteanu: debootstrap's result is very basic, and if you don't know how to build an fstab I wouldn't recommend it quite yet. |
| 21:01.37 | jhutchins | Eduard_Munteanu: I recommend one partition+swap unless you know a specific reason to do otherwise. Otherwise the free space is always on the wrong partition. |
| 21:01.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | jhutchins: I know how to build fstab, just looking for a checklist of stuff left undone after debootstrap finishes. Besides, manual partitioning still doesn't let me pick e.g. 512-bit AES XTS |
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| 21:04.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | Which would be nice to have by the way, since XTS splits the key into 2 half-length keys. |
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| 21:47.23 | and0r | the installer for centOS 7 looks real purdy |
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| 21:50.18 | dvs | !lart and0r |
| 21:50.18 | dpkg | DoSes and0r |
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| 21:53.57 | Ticho | hm, was nvidia graphics driver removed from jessie? |
| 21:54.13 | catpiggest | which one? |
| 21:54.37 | centrx | Ticho, yes, it will return |
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| 21:55.24 | shay_shay | whats the judd command to check backport deps? |
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| 21:56.03 | Ticho | centrx: was there any announcement about this? I seem to have missed it completely and now I'm without an xserver |
| 21:56.27 | shay_shay | is it possible to backport sid nouveau to wheezy? |
| 21:56.40 | centrx | Ticho, The old package should still be on your system, and the free driver is still in jessie. |
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| 21:58.58 | centrx | huh I take that back, I guess nouveau is not in jessie |
| 21:59.11 | Ticho | centrx: I'm more interested in knowing what the plans are, and when it is supposed to be fixed in jessie |
| 21:59.22 | Ticho | or why was it done, etc. |
| 21:59.38 | centrx | Ticho, Sometimes packages are removed from testing to facilitate the transition of another package into testing. In this case, xorg 1.16 |
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| 22:00.24 | centrx | Ticho, So once that transition finishes, and perhaps those drivers need to be updated by their maintainers too, then it will be in testing 5 days after that probably |
| 22:00.43 | Ticho | I can't even get it installed from sid - some "xorg-video-abi-X" dependencies are missing even from latest xorg-core package |
| 22:01.07 | centrx | Yes, because it was removed for this reason, it probably does not work with the packages currently in sid |
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| 22:01.22 | Ticho | that's great... I thought experimental is for this kind of breakages |
| 22:01.27 | centrx | It's not any sort of release decision though, and it's not permanent |
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| 22:01.55 | centrx | Ticho, It is unfortunate. You can switch the VESA driver or similar |
| 22:02.12 | centrx | Ticho, Or not upgrade/go back to the old version of X |
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| 22:02.45 | centrx | shay_shay, Backporting any part of X to wheezy is generally a no-go |
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| 22:03.25 | Ticho | centrx: I'm pretty pissed at debian right now, but thanks for your patience and explanation :) |
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| 22:03.57 | centrx | It is called "testing" for a reason, though generally this sort of thing doesn't happen |
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| 22:04.08 | centrx | ATI/Intel okay at least :) |
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| 22:08.22 | Ticho | nope, vesa doesn't work - the screen is all garbled |
| 22:08.31 | Ticho | I guess I'm stuck to console for next few days here |
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| 22:09.44 | centrx | Ticho, It should work, VESA is the most basic thing |
| 22:10.35 | Ticho | well, it does work in a way, my desktop gets loaded after "startx", but the display is all broken |
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| 22:22.38 | AlexPortable | 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts /etc/cron.daily |
| 22:22.40 | AlexPortable | what is this? |
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| 22:29.29 | jelly-home | AlexPortable: looks like a line from default /etc/crontab |
| 22:29.42 | peterrooney_ | AlexPortable: every day at 6:25 am local time, check that anacron is installed and run the once-daily cron jobs |
| 22:29.59 | jelly-home | ... if it's not |
| 22:30.33 | jelly-home | (because if anacron _is_ installed, it manages those daily, weekly and monthly jobs itself) |
| 22:30.36 | TJ- | AlexPortable: see "man 5 crontab" |
| 22:30.49 | peterrooney_ | Oops, my bad typo. |
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| 22:39.47 | busch | Is it possible to configure vsftpd to listen on ipv4 and ipv6 simulaniously? |
| 22:41.16 | busch | (wheezy) |
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| 22:42.31 | phy1729 | from man vsftpd.conf listen_ipv6 - <snip> This parameter and the listen parameter are mutually exclusive. |
| 22:43.55 | teraflop | busch: did you search question on the internet? |
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| 22:46.27 | busch | teraflop: Yes, i have seen a lot of bugreports releated to this problem, but i have read that this should be fixed. Other google results are blog postings from people whos recommending several configuration options which are not related to this problem. The vsftpd website doesnt mention my problem |
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| 22:47.16 | teraflop | bush did yoi read that? http://blog.waja.info/2013/01/24/vsftpd-running-on-ipv4-and-ipv6-simultaneous/ |
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| 22:51.54 | busch | teraflop: Yes. Thats exaclty what I have in my configuation: http://dpaste.com/36Y0S3E |
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| 22:57.13 | n-st | hi, is there still a userspace nfs server available for wheezy? i can't seem to find anything more recent than lenny
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| 22:59.07 | heurist | n-st: why would you want userspace nfs? what did you use in lenny? |
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| 22:59.45 | AlexPortable | ok thanks TJ- peterrooney_ jelly-home |
| 22:59.51 | n-st | heurist: i never used lenny, i'm not that old ;) and i want to run the nfs server in an openvz container, so i can't use the kernel implementation |
| 23:01.04 | heurist | n-st: Intriguing, no help here, sorry. |
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| 23:30.55 | vimel | heres a link for nvidia debian users. https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html |
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