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| 00:09.17 | wsl38 | to stop using sudo in favor of su do i just apt-get remove sudo or do i need to erase that password somehow |
| 00:09.29 | wsl38 | do i remove /etc/sudoers? |
| 00:09.44 | tensorpudding | You don't have to uninstall sudo to stop using sudo. |
| 00:10.04 | wsl38 | why leave something installed on my system that won't be used anymore? |
| 00:10.05 | jasabella | why not sudoedit? |
| 00:10.25 | denisrfe | .. |
| 00:10.34 | tensorpudding | Well, if something or another depends on sudo. I'm not sure if that's the case. |
| 00:10.49 | TheQuestionmark | I like using su -c 'apt-get install xyz' for example. |
| 00:11.05 | wsl38 | well debian doesn't come with sudo by default so i doubt that's the case |
| 00:11.44 | wsl38 | ya there's really no need to use sudo when you can just use su |
| 00:11.54 | jmcnaught | wsl38: you probably know this, but make sure that root has a password before removing sudo |
| 00:12.42 | jasabella | i thought you get asked if you want to allow root login? (and if you answer no, it installs sudo?) |
| 00:12.45 | wsl38 | jmcnaught: thanks. i can use su so that means root has a password right? |
| 00:13.16 | wsl38 | jasabella: that's correct. i guess it's an option, not default one way or another |
| 00:13.49 | jmcnaught | wsl38: yes |
| 00:14.10 | multi_io | is xserver-xorg-video-nvidia broken in unstable at the moment? |
| 00:14.17 | wsl38 | sudo and root are the same password which probably wasn't the best idea, but it's a single user system |
| 00:14.28 | multi_io | it depends on xserver-xorg-core (< 2:1.15.99) |
| 00:14.46 | jmcnaught | wsl38: sudo just uses the user's password |
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| 00:15.02 | multi_io | ...but the provided version of xserver-xorg-core is 2:1.15.99.904-1 |
| 00:15.10 | wsl38 | jmcnaught: i mean my user's password is the same as the root password |
| 00:15.16 | Brigo | multi_io, it is probably |
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| 00:16.08 | Brigo | multi_io, there is a new version of Xorg not compatible with nvidia drivers |
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| 00:16.39 | multi_io | Brigo: ok...but this is gonna be fixed? |
| 00:16.55 | Brigo | multi_io, ask nvidia :) |
| 00:16.58 | multi_io | it was still all installable last week |
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| 00:17.26 | Brigo | multi_io, yes, it just today or yesterday |
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| 00:18.21 | jmcnaught | it's been kind of funny seeing all the folks who just blindly answer 'y' to dist-upgrade asking them if they want to remove their graphics drivers |
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| 00:19.34 | multi_io | what I really wanted was install googleearth |
| 00:19.53 | multi_io | that induced an x server upgrade |
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| 00:20.33 | jasabella | jmcnaught... they should have a package named "im-a-careless-user" for an april fools prank and you can test for its presence as a way to test for PEBCAK :D |
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| 00:20.34 | multi_io | I got a conflict-free set of packages to upgrade in aptitude, with the package versions from a week ago |
| 00:21.01 | multi_io | but that wouldn't install because some of the packages were no longer available |
| 00:21.34 | Brigo | multi_io, it is a mess, tipically in sid :) |
| 00:21.43 | jmcnaught | multi_io: it'll probably be resolved in a week or two. that's the price of running unstable :/ |
| 00:21.46 | multi_io | so I ran aptitude update, and now I can no longer get a conflict-free set |
| 00:21.53 | wsl38 | quit |
| 00:21.57 | wsl38 | regards |
| 00:22.05 | multi_io | ok |
| 00:22.57 | multi_io | I was wondering how long packages are kept on the server? it's kind of discouraging to see them gone just one week after the last update, isn't it? |
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| 00:23.20 | Brigo | multi_io, snapshot.debian.org |
| 00:24.02 | multi_io | Brigo: cool, I didn't know about that |
| 00:24.03 | teraflop | yeah better do pinning if using unstable so you can switch experimental i cannot wait |
| 00:24.05 | multi_io | thanks |
| 00:24.10 | teraflop | if* |
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| 00:52.18 | martianlobster | I am trying to do a profile that includes kernel time. I am looking at oprofile. It requires that I have an uncompressed kernel. How can I tell if I have an uncompressed kernel? This is what my /boot looks like: http://pastebin.com/dcXwXsKw |
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| 00:53.19 | martianlobster | is a bzImage compressed? |
| 00:53.29 | martianlobster | bz sounds like it uses the bz algorithm |
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| 00:55.15 | martianlobster | *sigh* |
| 00:55.34 | martianlobster | 10.5. bzImage The bzImage is the compressed kernel image http://oss.sgi.com/LDP/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO/kernel_files_info.html |
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| 01:14.50 | sleep | I installed a wifi adapter and it takes restarting the computer 3 to 4 times just to get the adapter to read |
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| 01:15.37 | drith | well i have xerox workcentre 3119 but i can't make it run well please suggest me seamless printer who will run without headache ? |
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| 01:22.55 | Eduard_Munteanu | martianlobster: bz there is unrelated to bz2 |
| 01:23.13 | martianlobster | thanls |
| 01:23.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | It originally stood for "big zImage" |
| 01:23.21 | martianlobster | ahhhh |
| 01:23.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | martianlobster: what you want is the vmlinux file usually generated by a compile, though I'm not sure how you get one from a package |
| 01:24.10 | martianlobster | thank ypu |
| 01:24.27 | Eduard_Munteanu | martianlobster: you might also want to consider trying the kernel 'perf' tool |
| 01:24.46 | martianlobster | i will check that out |
| 01:24.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | (note: vmlinux not vmlinuz) |
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| 01:25.51 | aditsu | hi, I'm trying to install debian with the graphical install, and it doesn't detect any network card, what should I do? |
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| 01:26.54 | aditsu | the laptop has a qualcomm atheros ar956x wifi interface, but ath9k doesn't seem to help |
| 01:27.53 | vimel | aditsu: download the driver to USB then install debian skipping dhcp configuration step. once debian is installed then install your wifi driver. |
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| 01:30.40 | aditsu | ok I'm installing with no network |
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| 01:35.52 | elkingrey | How can I tell if this product will work with debian stable 100% free software? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178437 |
| 01:36.36 | vimel | elkingrey: i have an older seagate which works fine on debian. |
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| 01:37.24 | vimel | any security software that seagate makes for it will not work unless it has a linux installer. most of them are pre-programmed for windows / mac systems. |
| 01:37.25 | heurist | elkingrey: people have had issues with usb3 though, ymmv |
| 01:37.53 | vimel | mine is usb3 and it works fine. but yes ymmv. |
| 01:38.30 | elkingrey | I prefer to shop with thinkpenguin so that I never have to worry about it. I don't like how few details they give though on this product: https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-1tb-1000gb-usb-slim-portable-hard-drive-gnulinux |
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| 01:51.02 | aditsu | so I got debian installed, but got no network and no X, and debian hcl says "what is that?" :p |
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| 01:53.13 | aphorise | Anyone using php5 - I'm having issues getting /var/log/php_error.log to be generated as per my php.ini settings - I get "Error" message on index.php but no other stack trace... can any1 heko? |
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| 01:56.46 | aditsu | make: command not found :-s |
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| 01:58.23 | vimel | aditsu did you install using netinstaller or full debian image? |
| 01:58.59 | aditsu | vimel: I used a CD iso on usb |
| 01:59.07 | aditsu | no network |
| 01:59.10 | vimel | 600+mb image? |
| 01:59.15 | aditsu | yeah |
| 01:59.27 | vimel | okay coz that should have a desktop on that image. |
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| 01:59.58 | vimel | skipping dhcp configuration does not affect x installation. not sure what you did or what happened. |
| 02:00.03 | aditsu | I think it installed the software, but startx failed |
| 02:00.14 | aditsu | no screens |
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| 02:00.46 | vimel | can you link the image you are using? |
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| 02:01.15 | aditsu | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.6.0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 02:01.45 | vimel | hmm that looks fine. |
| 02:02.24 | aditsu | checking Xorg log file.. |
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| 02:02.34 | vimel | try the xfce image instead. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.6.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 02:02.53 | vimel | once you get it installed and browsing the web then you can install KDE |
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| 02:03.16 | aditsu | the problem is about X, not the DE |
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| 02:04.56 | aditsu | I may need radeon drivers.. |
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| 02:05.19 | aditsu | anyway, I think the main problem is the network |
| 02:05.32 | aditsu | I downloaded a driver, but it's source code |
| 02:05.46 | aditsu | I have no make and no gcc on the machine |
| 02:05.58 | vimel | sec let me try to find the deb package for you |
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| 02:10.24 | vimel | still looking |
| 02:11.17 | c^ | Anyone know where I can find the full docs on .screenrc |
| 02:12.07 | jmcnaught | aditsu: you probably don't want to compile drivers from source. is it just the video driver you're having trouble with, or do you have no network access either? |
| 02:13.22 | jmcnaught | aditsu: for radeon drive you need the firmware in the firmware-linux-nonfree package |
| 02:13.30 | vimel | it doesnt look like your chipset is supported |
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| 02:13.47 | aditsu | jmcnaught: I thought I mentioned several times that I have no network whatsoever |
| 02:14.21 | jmcnaught | aditsu: sorry, but is that a driver issue or you just don't have a network? |
| 02:14.23 | vimel | jmcnaught: his issue is two fold. no network driver for atheros ar956x and x is not working. |
| 02:14.23 | TJ- | c^: "man screen" then "/^CUSTOMIZATION" |
| 02:14.36 | c^ | mercà TJ- |
| 02:14.43 | aditsu | jmcnaught: driver issue |
| 02:16.05 | vimel | you could buy a debian compatible wifi card which is plug and play. a lot of the newer chipsets work out of the box. |
| 02:16.22 | vimel | i found this on ubuntu forum about your chipset http://askubuntu.com/questions/215498/how-to-install-qualcomm-atheros-ar9565-wireless-drivers |
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| 02:16.47 | aditsu | vimel: yeah I got that driver, but can't compile it :p |
| 02:17.31 | aditsu | hmm, your previous comment reminds me, I actually have a usb ethernet adapter |
| 02:17.36 | vimel | usb wifi or minipcie wifi cards are very cheap now days. |
| 02:18.17 | aditsu | I think I have a usb wifi too, but it's not really supported :p |
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| 02:18.50 | jmcnaught | aditsu: if you can do ethernet, you could try installing a newer kernel from wheezy-backports |
| 02:19.10 | vimel | i have a really dlink adapter 802.11g that works on debian you would be surprised. |
| 02:20.18 | jmcnaught | aditsu: installing a kernel module from source on debian most likely means that the driver will break every time there's a kernel update. for the graphics issue it's most likely a missing firmware. I couldn't see if you posted any pciids for the devices you're having trouble with, sorry if i just missed them |
| 02:21.22 | aditsu | hurray for asix, I'm online :) |
| 02:21.39 | vimel | cool |
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| 02:22.18 | aditsu | ok, keep in mind I'm really new at debian |
| 02:22.40 | vimel | aditsu: sounds like you have some reading to do. here you go: |
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| 02:22.42 | vimel | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/intro-linux.pdf |
| 02:22.42 | vimel | http://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf |
| 02:22.42 | vimel | https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/install.pdf.en |
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| 02:22.46 | aditsu | jmcnaught: I didn't post that, I can put them in a pastebin |
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| 02:23.12 | vimel | pastebin it is |
| 02:23.14 | jmcnaught | aditsu: "lspci -nn" gives you the pciid. Also we prefer http://paste.debian.net to pastebin |
| 02:23.25 | vimel | ya i got the notice |
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| 02:23.49 | vimel | i didnt think just three links would trigger it. |
| 02:23.51 | vimel | now i know. |
| 02:24.04 | aditsu | jmcnaught: too late :p http://dpaste.com/1471CYZ |
| 02:24.57 | jmcnaught | aditsu: two ns "lspci -nn | grep VGA" will give you just the graphic card |
| 02:25.24 | aditsu | how do I install wgetpaste? |
| 02:25.28 | jmcnaught | aditsu: dpaste is fine, it's pastebin.com that really sucks |
| 02:25.34 | aditsu | apt-get can't find it |
| 02:25.56 | jmcnaught | !pastebinit |
| 02:25.57 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 02:26.08 | vimel | if you are looking for packages apt-cache search packagenamehere is a good command to know |
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| 02:26.29 | aditsu | yeah it can't find it either.. I'll try pastebinit |
| 02:26.41 | AgentHeX | could someone plz invite me to #debian-next? |
| 02:26.55 | jmcnaught | AgentHeX: it's on irc.oftc.net (not on freenode) |
| 02:26.58 | AgentHeX | I'm trying to add 32-bit nvidia-glx libs to a 64-bit jessie install. |
| 02:26.59 | aditsu | no luck either |
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| 02:27.17 | aditsu | do I need to update the package list or something? |
| 02:27.37 | jmcnaught | aditsu: you might need to. you said that you're connected now? |
| 02:27.41 | vimel | AgentHeX: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 02:27.52 | aditsu | jmcnaught: yeah, what's the command? |
| 02:27.59 | jmcnaught | aditsu: "apt-get update" |
| 02:28.33 | aditsu | updated, still can't find pastebinit |
| 02:28.35 | rasc | AgentHeX: #debian-next is in OFTC |
| 02:29.24 | jmcnaught | aditsu: are there a bunch of errors in the output of "apt-get update"? |
| 02:29.47 | aditsu | no error |
| 02:29.56 | rasc | ,v pastebinit |
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| 02:30.02 | judd | Package: pastebinit on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1-2squeeze1; wheezy: 1.3-4; jessie: 1.4-3; sid: 1.4-3 |
| 02:30.08 | aditsu | anyway, I'll do it via ssh |
| 02:30.26 | jmcnaught | aditsu: you might be missing lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:30.55 | aditsu | jmcnaught: oh, quite likely |
| 02:31.10 | jmcnaught | aditsu: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList has a reasonable example |
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| 02:31.54 | aditsu | huh, I don't have sshd either |
| 02:32.26 | jmcnaught | aditsu: it's only installed if the "SSH server" task is selected in the installer |
| 02:33.04 | AgentHeX | vimel: I'm not sure what I'm looking for on that link. Is this a status page for the packages, or is there something there that I can use to install nvidia drivers from repo? |
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| 02:34.16 | jmcnaught | AgentHeX: xorg was recently updated in jessie and the nvidia proprietary drivers aren't compatible yet. New nvidia drivers will probably be packaged soon, but it's one of the downsides of using Jessie which isn't finished yet :/ |
| 02:34.44 | AgentHeX | jmcnaught: Understood. Can I use the NV binary driver, or will that just mess things up? |
| 02:35.01 | aditsu | jmcnaught: do I need wheezy, wheezy-updates and wheezy/updates? |
| 02:35.07 | rasc | AgentHeX: mess up pretty badly |
| 02:35.08 | jmcnaught | AgentHeX: using the driver installer from the nvidia website is not recommended |
| 02:35.40 | AgentHeX | jmcnaught: And roughly how long does it take for them to fix this? Make compatible or what have you? |
| 02:36.25 | AgentHeX | *shakes fist* |
| 02:36.28 | jmcnaught | aditsu: yes, your sources.list should look like the example on that wiki page, possibly with "contrib non-free" on the end of each line. Then you should be able to install packages |
| 02:37.29 | aditsu | so confusing :/ |
| 02:37.32 | rasc | AgentHeX: *soon* we don't have any schedule from nvidia, and the new xorg is very incompatible with their drivers, so they may take some time |
| 02:37.59 | jmcnaught | AgentHeX: it's basically nvidia's fault for not supporting free open source drivers or at least making documentation available to developers. I'm not sure how long it will take for a new package to get into Jessie. It is a development release after all, not really targetted to end-users. In the meantime you can use the nouveau drivers probably, at least for regular desktop use (but probably not steam) |
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| 02:38.45 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell aditsu -about wheezy sources.list |
| 02:39.16 | AgentHeX | jmcnaught: Yeah, I'm using the free drivers. Steam loads, but none of the apps run. I was hoping to have Steam working on Debian rather than using Ubuntu. |
| 02:39.39 | jmcnaught | aditsu: check the message from dpkg bot, or reread that wiki page. I've got to go away from keyboard for a bit, but I'm sure someone here will be able to help you |
| 02:39.41 | rasc | AgentHeX: for regular desktop use nouveau is better because it doesn't break like this |
| 02:39.44 | vimel | AgentHeX: it looks like there are two security bugs in nvidia driver. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=nvidia-driver&sev-inc=critical&sev-inc=grave&sev-inc=serious |
| 02:39.47 | aditsu | finally I can install pastebinit |
| 02:40.06 | AgentHeX | jmcnaught: Good enough for now. I'll get my normal packages installed and check back in the future. |
| 02:40.44 | rasc | AgentHeX: that page is about the transition, they should put anouncements there |
| 02:40.45 | aditsu | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/110473 |
| 02:40.54 | AgentHeX | rasc: Cool. Thanks. |
| 02:41.53 | rasc | aditsu: jmcnaught is away, what is your problem? |
| 02:42.26 | vimel | read up on the nvidia bugs here: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 02:42.54 | aditsu | rasc: oh right, I somehow misread his last message as a bot message... my problem is I got no network |
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| 02:43.36 | aditsu | also a bunch of other problems, but let's focus on that first :p |
| 02:43.38 | rasc | do are you trying to connect via wireless or cable first? |
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| 02:43.58 | aditsu | wireless |
| 02:44.25 | aditsu | right now I'm connecting via a usb ethernet adapter, but it's a temporary thing |
| 02:45.27 | aditsu | I downloaded a driver from http://askubuntu.com/questions/215498/how-to-install-qualcomm-atheros-ar9565-wireless-drivers (the snpc thing) but can't compile it |
| 02:45.51 | rasc | give me a uname -a |
| 02:47.12 | aditsu | rasc: Linux acer 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.57-3 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:47.17 | vimel | im confused. aditsu, you did say you were connected. what changed? |
| 02:47.38 | aditsu | vimel: I plugged in my usb network adapter |
| 02:48.01 | vimel | right. i forgot. |
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| 02:48.22 | vimel | buy a wifi card / adapter ;b |
| 02:48.48 | aditsu | I have one, but it's not any easier to get working |
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| 02:51.09 | aditsu | installing gcc now :p |
| 02:53.06 | rasc | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 02:53.08 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.14+57~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.14+58; sid: 3.14+58 |
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| 02:53.37 | rasc | aditsu: try to install the kernel from wheezy-backports |
| 02:53.45 | jasabella | um, hi crazyeddy heh |
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| 02:54.02 | aditsu | rasc: how do I do that? |
| 02:54.15 | c^ | I'm not too familiar with such a process.. but can I get 2 debian machines to behave as one? |
| 02:54.38 | c^ | So it would think it has dual processors.. the amount of memory added together etc. |
| 02:54.40 | aditsu | hmm, driver build failed :/ |
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| 02:54.48 | rasc | dpkg: tell aditsu -about wheezy-backports |
| 02:55.09 | c^ | I'm familiar with server clusters.. but not too sure how to go about this |
| 02:55.43 | rasc | c^: try to search about beowulf clusters, that is the best I know can be done with debian |
| 02:56.00 | c^ | Thanks rasc I'll do some research |
| 02:56.24 | aditsu | rasc: added, but what exactly should I install? |
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| 02:56.40 | rasc | linux-image-amd64 |
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| 02:57.09 | aditsu | rasc: it says it's already the newest version |
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| 02:57.34 | iwilcox | Did you update after adding? |
| 02:57.42 | aditsu | yeah |
| 02:57.58 | rasc | and you have to put apt-get -t wheezy-backports install... |
| 02:58.16 | aditsu | oh, let me try |
| 02:58.47 | aditsu | yeah, something new |
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| 02:59.53 | aditsu | woohoo, 3.14 |
| 03:00.03 | aditsu | heeey, X is working now :p |
| 03:00.04 | rasc | apt won't upgrade your packages unless you tell it to |
| 03:00.34 | rasc | and the wifi? |
| 03:01.14 | rasc | it's a combined bluetooh/wireless ethernet thing, it's complicated hardware |
| 03:01.53 | aditsu | it looks like I have 3 interfaces now :o |
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| 03:02.13 | aditsu | so I guess it detected everything |
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| 03:02.40 | rasc | wireless should have a different name, with wlan. cable starts with eth |
| 03:02.49 | aditsu | yeah, wlan0 |
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| 03:02.58 | aditsu | how do I set it up? |
| 03:03.05 | rasc | are you in gnome? |
| 03:03.10 | aditsu | no, kde |
| 03:03.18 | rasc | hum, let me look |
| 03:03.57 | vimel | aditsu: it may recognize your wifi if you reboot now that you have an updated kernel. |
| 03:03.59 | rasc | ,v kde-full |
| 03:04.00 | judd | Package: kde-full on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66; wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:84; sid: 5:84 |
| 03:04.16 | aditsu | vimel: yes it recognized it, but I need to configure it |
| 03:04.44 | vimel | i havent used kde in a long time. just search for network manager |
| 03:04.58 | vimel | you should be able to connect your wifi if its availabe now |
| 03:05.02 | vimel | available* |
| 03:05.27 | aditsu | I can't without giving it an access point and a password |
| 03:05.36 | jmcnaught | "plasma-widget-networkmanagement" is the package that has the network manager interface for KDE. Not that network-manager will ignore any interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:05.57 | rasc | ,v network-manager-kde |
| 03:05.58 | judd | Package: network-manager-kde on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.9~svn1141976-1; squeeze-backports: 1:0.9+git20110422.810bc16-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:0.9.0.3-1 |
| 03:06.17 | aditsu | I usually used wpa-supplicant, but I'll try that thing |
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| 03:07.01 | jmcnaught | although the network-manager KDE plasmoid stuff is probably installed by default |
| 03:07.01 | somiaj | you can also use wicd or even configure in the info directally in /etc/network/interfaces (I prefer that method myself) |
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| 03:08.45 | avshalom | would love to hear of an easy way to install KDE 5 plasma on jessie |
| 03:09.20 | jmcnaught | avshalom: the easy way would be to wait for it to be packaged :) |
| 03:09.35 | rasc | ,v kde-full |
| 03:09.36 | judd | Package: kde-full on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66; wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; jessie: 5:84; sid: 5:84 |
| 03:09.58 | rasc | isn't this kde 5? |
| 03:10.22 | avshalom | jmcnaught: that's what i was hoping for, someone else to do the work so i can apt-get install "kde5-full" |
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| 03:10.32 | rasc | ,v kde5-full |
| 03:10.40 | judd | No package named 'kde5-full' was found in i386. |
| 03:10.42 | shay_shay | helllo. is tasksel --new-install bad to run on a already installed system? |
| 03:10.48 | jmcnaught | rasc: no, those are debian specific versions for the meta-package. KDE 5 just came out the other day, certainly wasn't available in squeeze |
| 03:11.29 | rasc | ok, I tried kde once |
| 03:12.10 | avshalom | i tried kde5 in a neon5 vm. it's really nice |
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| 03:12.48 | somiaj | shay_shay: what are you trying to achive. I doubt it would be bad, it just might pull in some packages you removed. |
| 03:13.52 | shay_shay | somiaj: well, we installed standard task, and then after reboot network manager says: "" The system network service is not compatible with this version"" |
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| 03:14.22 | shay_shay | the odd thing is this is a new install as of this morning. only thing from wheezy-backports is nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 03:14.29 | somiaj | that is a strange error shay_shay. What version of debian are y ou running? |
| 03:14.42 | somiaj | you dno't have any third party repos/software except for backports? |
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| 03:14.46 | shay_shay | wheezy with that singular backport package |
| 03:14.54 | shay_shay | only google chrome |
| 03:14.58 | shay_shay | chrome* |
| 03:15.03 | somiaj | well that is not a singular package, it would have pulled in more. But that shouldnt' be the issue |
| 03:15.38 | aditsu | my wifi is working now :D |
| 03:15.47 | rasc | the crhome package from google configures extra repos |
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| 03:16.06 | aditsu | thanks everybody |
| 03:16.14 | shay_shay | rasc: yeah, thats why i said i have a google chrome repo |
| 03:16.33 | jasabella | time to play with my raspian :D |
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| 03:17.01 | somiaj | shay_shay: can you put the output of 'apt-cache policy network-manager' at paste.debian.net |
| 03:17.28 | rasc | shay_shay: he asked for repos and software, you could be aswering for any of them |
| 03:17.43 | vimel | aditsu: yw take care |
| 03:18.23 | shay_shay | somiaj: difficult because theres no internet connection on that system |
| 03:18.34 | shay_shay | no network connection at all or i would ssh to it |
| 03:18.49 | shay_shay | i will upload a picture from my camera |
| 03:19.13 | somiaj | shay_shay: well try this, do you use gnome and do you see a package 'network-manager-gnome' installed? |
| 03:20.09 | shay_shay | hold on |
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| 03:20.25 | somiaj | I just found a debian bug report with someone with a similar error, seems to be they were missing the gnome package |
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| 03:21.03 | shay_shay | maybe its a 7.6 bug? |
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| 03:21.20 | shay_shay | because this was installed with the 7.6 installer |
| 03:21.29 | somiaj | not the bugreport, but I'm looking to find what is missing. |
| 03:21.36 | somiaj | I think it is more a bug with your paticular setup |
| 03:21.51 | shay_shay | i was thinking it might be related to uefi |
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| 03:22.30 | tidux | Iceweasel 24 on Wheezy can't resolve violently-happy-.tumblr.com |
| 03:22.33 | tidux | Chromium can |
| 03:22.49 | tidux | is this some sort of hostname parsing failure? |
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| 03:24.00 | somiaj | shay_shay: I doubt that. It is something with your kernel/network/firmware. |
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| 03:24.26 | relipse | I have medium experience, I need to take a website and move it to a VPS, but how do I make the box PCI compliant |
| 03:24.26 | rasc | tidux: iceweasel 30 can't either, host and dig can |
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| 03:24.58 | tidux | relipse: PCI compliance is basically bullshit |
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| 03:25.02 | tidux | and anyone who asks you for it is wrong |
| 03:25.04 | vimel | tidux: are you sure that is not a typo in your url? violently.happy.tumblr.com works for me |
| 03:25.10 | tidux | no, it's not a typo |
| 03:25.18 | c^ | Does anyone know of a 'modern' version of Parallel Virtual Machine? |
| 03:25.29 | tidux | http://violently-happy-.tumblr.com/post/92202787536/pika-brew-memeguy-com-i-didnt-know-body |
| 03:25.34 | tidux | this link resolves in Chromium |
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| 03:26.07 | rasc | tidux: looks like a bug |
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| 03:28.16 | dua | tidux: I replicate it, it crashes even on FF |
| 03:29.08 | dua | tidux: I don't want to be negative but, yes, looks like a url parsing bug |
| 03:29.32 | dua | tidux: On Chromium works fine |
| 03:29.32 | rasc | relipse: http://www.cio.com.au/article/400303/pci_compliance_checklist/ if this checklist is to believed, it just means: dont be a moron |
| 03:30.57 | tidux | basically keep your stuff patched |
| 03:31.13 | dua | tidux: Even you cannot make a ping on it |
| 03:31.22 | tidux | and be willing to dig through security changelogs to say "we don't need to upgrade to a new version, this CVE is covered here" |
| 03:31.45 | tidux | @ rasc |
| 03:32.00 | dua | tidux: Is this your tumbr page? |
| 03:32.14 | tidux | no, somebody sent me a link to it, and it gave a "server not found" error |
| 03:32.35 | tidux | but it spits back an IP address via "host" and the webpage resolves in Chromium |
| 03:32.39 | rasc | it's very basic security |
| 03:33.03 | dua | tidux: This is funny, Can you make a ping to this? |
| 03:33.16 | tidux | it doesn't respond to ping, dua |
| 03:33.20 | tidux | doesn't mean it's not there |
| 03:33.27 | tidux | probably ICMP firewalled or something |
| 03:33.49 | rasc | tidux: i responds to my pings |
| 03:33.53 | rasc | it* |
| 03:34.07 | dua | tidux: It is happening to me too with the same page |
| 03:34.21 | tidux | no I get an unknown host error in ping |
| 03:35.05 | rasc | oh, I tried with the ip address |
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| 03:35.20 | rasc | with the hostname it won't work |
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| 03:35.54 | rasc | it appears ping and firefox share a dns resolution bug |
| 03:38.21 | Blue1 | If you fix the url it works fine: http://violently-happy.tumblr.com/post/92202787536/pika-brew-memeguy-com-i-didnt-know-body |
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| 03:40.45 | dua | Blue1: There are two diferent websites |
| 03:41.48 | Blue1 | oh -- well I changed the happy-.tumbler to happy.tumbler -- |
| 03:42.38 | rasc | do they both have that same big url? |
| 03:43.00 | rasc | that's a title, they have posts with the same title? |
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| 03:43.29 | dua | rasc: Only works for one, the other goes to 404 |
| 03:44.15 | rasc | i don't think the one with the - is right, i is very unlikely they have posts so similar |
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| 03:46.45 | dua | Can anybody reach the site with w3m? |
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| 03:50.11 | rasc | no |
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| 03:51.37 | dua | Well evidently this is not a browser problem, Chromium can reach some websites without standar dns access |
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| 03:53.10 | rasc | it's certainly a corner case |
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| 03:54.47 | dua | Maybe on tumbr, every engineer is obligated to use Google Chrome and have forbidden touch any open source distro. |
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| 03:58.44 | StolenToast | "The Chromium projects include Chromium and Chromium OS, the open-source projects behind the Google Chrome browser" |
| 03:59.05 | rasc | I don't think they test every website people create |
| 03:59.51 | rasc | it would still be better than my college, there's a rule for internet explorer only |
| 03:59.52 | dua | StolenToast: You are right, sorry for that |
| 04:00.06 | StolenToast | I got what you meant though =P |
| 04:01.26 | dua | StolenToast: But even if you can not make a ping and can not navigate with w3m or linx. We can not think that is a browser issue |
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| 04:02.35 | rasc | someone would have to dig trough the rfcs to see who got the bug |
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| 04:04.54 | metabsd | testing 123 |
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| 04:05.10 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 04:05.17 | man_in_shack | got a fun issue going on with steam in non-free |
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| 04:05.47 | man_in_shack | it's complaining that opengl isn't running with direct rendering, but glxinfo from mesa-utils:i386 says it is |
| 04:06.06 | man_in_shack | video card is "Mobility Radeon HD 4225/4250" and i'm using xorg radeon driver |
| 04:06.32 | sandman13 | what does http://http.debian.net do? does it help to select the fastest mirror? |
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| 04:07.32 | sandman13 | oh got it thanks to dpkg |
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| 04:09.19 | dua | man_in_shack: Tell me if this help you: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/231.html |
| 04:11.37 | man_in_shack | dua: already have all those packages installed |
| 04:11.47 | man_in_shack | and [drm] is initialised in dmesg |
| 04:12.28 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/0ND4HSA << glxinfo |
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| 04:13.27 | man_in_shack | also /var/log/Xorg.0.log is showing RADEON driver is in use |
| 04:14.46 | Viking667 | is cursing the fact that google-chrome is no longer working, and for no percievable reason. |
| 04:14.54 | dua | man_in_shack: Maybe you can try install the next packages: sudo apt-get install freeglut3 freeglut3-dev binutils-gold g++ cmake libglew-dev g++ mesa-common-dev build-essential libglew1.5-dev libglm-dev |
| 04:15.57 | dua | man_in_shack: Did you installed it already? |
| 04:16.35 | man_in_shack | no, i don't have the dev stuff installed atm |
| 04:16.42 | Viking667 | ... what the heck is binutils-gold? |
| 04:17.05 | man_in_shack | Viking667: apart from being a virtual package? :) |
| 04:17.10 | Viking667 | wow. That's new. |
| 04:17.16 | Viking667 | I wasn't aware there was a new linker. |
| 04:17.24 | TyrfingMjolnir | Viking667: ? |
| 04:17.43 | Viking667 | binutils-gold |
| 04:17.45 | TyrfingMjolnir | Where did 667 come from? |
| 04:17.55 | Viking667 | ahhh. That came from the days of Undernet. |
| 04:18.02 | Viking667 | When even then, I couldn't get "viking" |
| 04:18.11 | Viking667 | I couldn't even get viking1 or viking2 |
| 04:18.29 | Viking667 | So I said "Screw this, let's salt the pot" and hence viking667 was born. |
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| 04:18.42 | Viking667 | these days I more normally go by BrickViking |
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| 04:18.45 | TyrfingMjolnir | Sweet |
| 04:18.53 | Viking667 | shrugs |
| 04:19.06 | Viking667 | I've been on IRC (on and off) since about 1996 |
| 04:19.15 | TyrfingMjolnir | Oh |
| 04:19.35 | TyrfingMjolnir | Not related to TheBrick/Majic12 in the Amiga scene I guess |
| 04:19.45 | Viking667 | Nope, sorry. |
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| 04:20.48 | man_in_shack | dua: didn't help |
| 04:21.45 | rasc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_%28linker%29 |
| 04:22.07 | dua | man_in_shack: What tests did you do? |
| 04:22.19 | man_in_shack | steam still complaining |
| 04:22.32 | man_in_shack | "Error: OpenGL GLX context is not using direct rendering, which may cause performance problems." << from steam |
| 04:22.36 | Viking667 | whew. I've finally got google-chrome working again by reverting to stable instead of unstable |
| 04:22.51 | man_in_shack | but glxgears runs correctly and glxinfo reports direct rendering: yes |
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| 04:23.35 | Viking667 | glxgears will run even with a software renderer, which is what mesa provides. What frames figure do you get? |
| 04:23.43 | Viking667 | 200, or 4000? |
| 04:24.10 | man_in_shack | it's vsynced ... |
| 04:24.22 | Viking667 | ... and? |
| 04:24.33 | man_in_shack | so it gets ~60 fps |
| 04:24.37 | dua | man_in_shack: You can try this: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9938-EYZB-7457 |
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| 04:24.50 | formorer | .oO( please repeat one thousand times: glxgears is not a benchmarkk ) |
| 04:24.56 | Viking667 | My apologies. I meant to ask about frames, not fps. |
| 04:25.04 | Viking667 | I'm getting 300 frames |
| 04:25.11 | man_in_shack | dua: already done, that was my first attempt |
| 04:25.21 | Viking667 | ... that's probably using Mesa, not fglrx (as I don't have that installed) |
| 04:25.46 | man_in_shack | Viking667: if your screen is running at 60Hz, you'll get about 300 frames |
| 04:25.56 | dua | man_in_shack: Oh, I see |
| 04:26.01 | man_in_shack | "Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate." << this |
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| 04:26.21 | Viking667 | hm. |
| 04:26.50 | Viking667 | On my wife's system (running fglrx) she's getting roughly 26,000 frames. |
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| 04:27.04 | Viking667 | so she's getting 5,340-ish frames per second. |
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| 04:27.30 | man_in_shack | that's probably a glxgears from fglrx |
| 04:27.44 | Viking667 | It may well be, and it's also a Ubuntu variant. |
| 04:27.55 | man_in_shack | right |
| 04:28.01 | Viking667 | I instaled mesa-utils, so I wasn't using fglxgears |
| 04:28.10 | man_in_shack | in theory :P |
| 04:28.12 | Viking667 | ... unless there's a redirect in place via alternatives |
| 04:28.20 | dua | man_in_shack: Did you try downgrade the library? |
| 04:28.40 | man_in_shack | also ubuntu may let you use it as a "benchmark" tool |
| 04:28.41 | Viking667 | nope, no redirect. |
| 04:28.55 | man_in_shack | there's no flag in debian's glxgears to turn off vsync |
| 04:28.56 | Viking667 | I'm well aware it's not a "benchmark" but it's at least an indicator. |
| 04:29.25 | Viking667 | I use it as a divider... anything less than about 500 is not accelerated, anything above 1000 is probably accelerated. |
| 04:29.37 | Viking667 | and 26,000-ish frames, is most certainly accelerated. |
| 04:29.39 | dua | man_in_shack: I found a solution here (On the fourth post) https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=183953 |
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| 04:33.34 | shay_shay | somiaj: it was network-manager-gnome was missing |
| 04:33.41 | shay_shay | somiaj: nice guess |
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| 04:33.46 | shay_shay | ty |
| 04:33.48 | shay_shay | bows |
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| 04:42.00 | man_in_shack | dua: no difference |
| 04:42.08 | man_in_shack | but it is bitching about not being able to preload |
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| 04:49.17 | man_in_shack | getting nowhere here :( |
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| 04:54.19 | man_in_shack | may need to use fglrx-legacy :( |
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| 05:04.41 | rasc | man_in_shack: are you using jessie? |
| 05:04.47 | man_in_shack | no, sid |
| 05:04.55 | man_in_shack | also looks like i found the problem |
| 05:05.20 | man_in_shack | https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3273 << needed to move some libs out of .steam/ |
| 05:05.30 | rasc | man_in_shack: you should try #debian-next at oftc, they are the guys that make the thing, they know better than us |
| 05:05.41 | man_in_shack | yah, they sent me here :) |
| 05:05.52 | man_in_shack | fun times |
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| 05:06.23 | rasc | there was some buzz in the last days about taking libs out of steam, but I don't have any pointers to you |
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| 05:08.39 | rasc | what did they said when they told you to come to the unnoficial channel? |
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| 05:09.28 | man_in_shack | "< sney> yeah. I would say go to freenode. if they send you back here, bring more information with you" |
| 05:09.52 | man_in_shack | brb |
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| 05:11.23 | rasc | I guess they send people that want help with steam here, then? |
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| 05:14.13 | man_in_shack | wouldn't think so, just there's more people here than there |
| 05:14.18 | man_in_shack | so better chance of help :) |
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| 05:21.15 | man_in_shack | ok, had to do the same thing with the 64bit libs in steam's runtime |
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| 05:36.17 | shay_shay | does anyone know how i can get to gnome-flashback? its not showing up in GDM |
| 05:36.27 | shay_shay | only gnome and gnome-classic |
| 05:36.49 | shay_shay | gnome-session-fallback package is installed |
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| 05:40.05 | rasc | shay_shay: debian renames fallback to classic, I think |
| 05:40.31 | rasc | did you tried it and want something else? |
| 05:40.56 | shay_shay | gnome classic is different |
| 05:41.32 | shay_shay | https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeFlashback?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=gnome-flashback.png |
| 05:42.12 | rasc | let me try and see what I get |
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| 05:44.47 | rasc | I do get both |
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| 05:45.07 | shay_shay | yep |
| 05:48.03 | shay_shay | ii gnome-session-fallback 3.4.2.1-4 |
| 05:48.05 | shay_shay | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.08 | shay_shay | thus means its installed right? |
| 05:48.19 | shay_shay | sorry the columns got messed :D |
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| 05:49.40 | Shadow_7 | they ii means installed |
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| 05:50.17 | Shadow_7 | depending on how you launch a wm, it may differ from expectations |
| 05:50.25 | rasc | i don't see any package that provides that |
| 05:51.02 | Shadow_7 | apt-file show gnome-session-fallback | grep -i bin |
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| 05:51.29 | Shadow_7 | to find what might be preferred for "exec ???" in an .xinitrc. |
| 05:51.36 | r47 | can someone tell me which package integrates "su" in debian, for I am with him Corrupt on a server and need to reinstall it? |
| 05:51.55 | Shadow_7 | r47: apt-file find bin/su |
| 05:52.07 | r47 | Shadow_7: thanks alot |
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| 05:52.44 | Shadow_7 | shay_shay: dpkg -c <file.deb> does mostly the same stuff as apt-file show |
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| 05:55.12 | shay_shay | Shadow_7: apt-file show gnome-session-fallback | grep -i bin |
| 05:55.14 | shay_shay | nothing |
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| 05:56.12 | shay_shay | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/gnome-session-fallback/filelist Shadow_7 are you looking for this ? |
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| 05:59.52 | mze1 | hi |
| 06:00.11 | mze1 | flashback is not shown i session menu |
| 06:00.15 | mze1 | any ideas? |
| 06:01.32 | rasc | dejavu |
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| 06:05.04 | mze1 | why? do others have the same issue? |
| 06:05.06 | mze1 | XD |
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| 06:06.51 | rasc | shay_shay has, we were just talking about it |
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| 06:07.37 | shay_shay | O-O |
| 06:08.11 | rasc | Shadow_7 told him to run apt-file show gnome-session-fallback | grep -i bin |
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| 06:09.32 | rasc | went away |
| 06:09.35 | shay_shay | gnome-session-flashback: /usr/bin/gnome-wm |
| 06:09.52 | shay_shay | thats the output of that commands |
| 06:09.55 | shay_shay | command |
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| 06:10.20 | rasc | try to put that in .xinitrc, stop gdm3 and run startx |
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| 06:13.00 | shay_shay | rasc: echo "/usr/bin/gnome-wm" > ~/.xinitrc |
| 06:13.03 | shay_shay | ? |
| 06:13.27 | shay_shay | or do i need a shebang line and all that |
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| 06:14.11 | rasc | echo "/usr/bin/gnome-wm" >> ~/.xinitrc -note the double > |
| 06:14.34 | shay_shay | ok to append it |
| 06:14.57 | rasc | look there, you need to comment something out |
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| 06:23.31 | sandman13 | was another point release made? |
| 06:23.36 | sandman13 | of Wheezy |
| 06:23.38 | sandman13 | ? |
| 06:25.26 | jelly-home | sandman13: doesn't look so https://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2014/ |
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| 06:25.48 | kj4 | t5O@XedK5oMCaXEi#fbwwcZ4 |
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| 06:26.42 | sandman13 | jelly-home: here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ it says 7.6.0 so I was little confused |
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| 06:27.09 | jelly-home | sandman13: it's quite possible it's in process, but not announced yet |
| 06:27.26 | sandman13 | jelly-home: thanks for the info :D |
| 06:28.36 | rasc | sandman13: there was a release july 12th, but that is old news already |
| 06:29.10 | sandman13 | I think there is a command that shows the version of Debian you are running I can't recall it |
| 06:29.16 | rasc | 7.6 was released july 12th |
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| 06:29.27 | rasc | cat /etc/os-version ? |
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| 06:29.41 | rasc | ops |
| 06:29.52 | rasc | cat /etc/os-release |
| 06:30.04 | sandman13 | rasc: figured that out :D |
| 06:30.11 | jmcnaught | "cat /etc/debian_version" or "lsb_release -a" |
| 06:31.15 | sandman13 | rasc you are right lsb_release -a shows: Release: 7.6 |
| 06:31.30 | rasc | why are you interested in the point release? your system should track that on it's own |
| 06:31.46 | sandman13 | rasc: just for info nothing more |
| 06:32.20 | rasc | no need to trow all those new 7.5 dvds away |
| 06:32.51 | sandman13 | I don't have any DVDs. I only have a netinstall image. |
| 06:33.09 | jasabell1 | 7.6 is out? heh |
| 06:33.10 | jmcnaught | there is an announcement listing changes linked on the debian home page. Support for ECC keys in apache2 is pretty cool |
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| 06:34.00 | jasabell1 | elliptic curves? :) |
| 06:34.18 | sandman13 | btw what sites should I visit to get more information about Debian? |
| 06:34.32 | sandman13 | wiki is one of them |
| 06:36.05 | rasc | there's https://www.debian.org/News/ and http://bits.debian.org/ |
| 06:36.58 | jmcnaught | http://planet.debian.org/ too |
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| 06:37.58 | sandman13 | thanks jmcnaught and rasc |
| 06:38.27 | rasc | planet is cool for the upcoming things, like elektra |
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| 06:40.28 | sandman13 | btw I have heard something like CUT project of Debian, is that project moving forward? |
| 06:42.09 | rasc | there was some changes, like the automatic removal of rc-buggy packages from testing, let's see if the packagers can take the pressure |
| 06:43.02 | sandman13 | does that mean we will see another branch of Debian soon? |
| 06:43.23 | rasc | no, the plan is to make testing more usable |
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| 06:43.58 | nigggers | [08:41:45] * [#freenode] Cannot send to channel |
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| 06:43.58 | nigggers | [08:43:37] * [#defocus-ops] Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned |
| 06:44.04 | nigggers | what the fuck is going on |
| 06:44.07 | nigggers | somebody call the cops |
| 06:44.08 | nigggers | or ops |
| 06:44.23 | nigggers | WHY?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 06:44.37 | sandman13 | nigggers: you have to be identified |
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| 06:44.48 | rasc | you will get auto-banned from here too soon if you keep that |
| 06:44.53 | sandman13 | :D |
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| 06:45.14 | nigggers | identified? i can identify your pussy with ny dick |
| 06:45.18 | nigggers | my* |
| 06:45.30 | jasabella | why is dist-upgrade uninstalling systemd and restoring sysvinit? :/ |
| 06:45.38 | nigggers | jasabella ahahahahah |
| 06:45.57 | nigggers | jasabella you shoulda have used windows |
| 06:46.03 | rasc | there's a transition going on, let me look |
| 06:46.13 | nigggers | jasabella do you know where do find womans? |
| 06:46.37 | sandman13 | somebody please banhammer him out of the way |
| 06:46.52 | nigggers | sandman13 shut your nigger or holocaust yhou bidtgch |
| 06:47.02 | jmcnaught | sandman13: i'm sure it won't take long |
| 06:47.03 | sandman13 | nigggers: learn to spell first |
| 06:47.11 | nigggers | i can spell your mother in bed |
| 06:47.11 | rasc | sysvinit is now a metapackage, is sysvinit-core being installed? |
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| 06:47.27 | nigggers | safridzal bitch |
| 06:47.41 | rasc | sandman13: don't feed him |
| 06:47.43 | nigggers | im the king of this channel |
| 06:47.48 | jmcnaught | sandman13: your IRC client probably has a /ignore command :) |
| 06:47.49 | nigggers | rasc shut your anus |
| 06:48.11 | sandman13 | ah done |
| 06:48.17 | sandman13 | thanks jmcnaught |
| 06:48.19 | nigggers | ah done, fucked your mothe bitch |
| 06:49.57 | rasc | jasabella: sysvinit is now a metapackage, is sysvinit-core being installed? |
| 06:52.30 | jasabella | hang on :) |
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| 06:56.23 | Gez | Hi |
| 06:56.45 | sandman13 | ah he's gone thanks jelly-home |
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| 06:57.36 | Gez | I know this belongs in #debian-next, but I had troubles with my box where I had the address of the server and I can't remember it :) |
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| 06:58.03 | Gez | I'm running jessie, just updated I lost the nvidia drivers |
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| 06:58.36 | Gez | I'm trying to re-install them but I can't see them in the repos. Any idea of what happened with them? (non-free drivers) |
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| 06:59.18 | rasc | Gez, the nvidia drivers don't work with the new xorg, nvidia should release a new one in some time in the future |
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| 07:00.23 | fgret | guys I am having hang issues with flash player (non-free). Is gnash mature enough to replace flah player |
| 07:00.41 | Gez | rasc: Oh crap |
| 07:01.14 | rasc | fgret: i'm using shumway to watch youtube,do want to do other things? |
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| 07:01.44 | Gez | rasc: how do I go back to nouveau? At least to have X |
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| 07:02.07 | Gez | (it's not starting) |
| 07:02.16 | Gez | hmmm. maybe there's something blacklisted. Let me see |
| 07:02.35 | sree82 | I am new to debian, while working with some minor ubuntu bugs, I found a similar bug in debian, I filed a bug report long back, I just want to fix it, Could anyone please help me with this? |
| 07:02.43 | somiaj | Gez: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xorg.conf/* file that is telling your x to use nvidia? |
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| 07:03.11 | somiaj | sree82: just ask your question, what version of debian did you find this bug in and what package/issue needs to be fixed? |
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| 07:04.02 | Gez | somiaj: already removed that file |
| 07:04.31 | somiaj | Gez: and any other file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d directory? Do you see the nouveau module loaded when you type 'lsmod | grep nouveau' |
| 07:04.32 | sree82 | somiaj :https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=5;bug=729554 |
| 07:04.34 | Gez | But I've found a nVidia configuration file blacklisting nouveau. |
| 07:04.46 | Gez | I just commented it and X started |
| 07:04.53 | Gez | But gnome crashed :( |
| 07:05.06 | fgret | rasc, where there are couple of sites with flash players I'd like to see so I'd like to have a plugin. Do you think is it a good idea to install gnash? (also since flash will not be updated anymore)? |
| 07:05.08 | rasc | ,v xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
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| 07:05.09 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5; squeeze-backports: 1:0.0.16+git20110411+8378443-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.0.1-5; jessie: 1:1.0.10-1+b2; sid: 1:1.0.10-1+b2 |
| 07:05.15 | somiaj | what video card do you have? |
| 07:05.35 | Gez | 9600GT |
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| 07:06.06 | somiaj | sree82: do you have a fix and want to get it uploaded into debian? |
| 07:06.14 | Gez | Damn, it's a really bad moment for this :( |
| 07:06.29 | Gez | Is it possible to roll back to the old xorg and have the nvidia drivers working? |
| 07:06.49 | jelly-home | !tell Gez about snapshot |
| 07:06.51 | somiaj | Gez: Yes, I'm running nvidia just fine in sid, I haven't upgraded since I heard of this bug and just waitign (: |
| 07:07.29 | Gez | somiaj: I haven't heard about that bug, upgraded and my nvidia drivers were uninstalled. |
| 07:07.34 | rasc | fgret: gnash is for older flash versions, only supported by youtube, I think, you also need lightspark and shumway to be safe |
| 07:07.48 | somiaj | Gez: and jelly-home sent you a link to places you can find old packages, you could also have the old xorg sitting in /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 07:08.05 | rasc | than you switch btween them |
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| 07:09.53 | jelly-home | Gez: DO try to read what your package managing tool plans to do, esp. when running a testing "release" |
| 07:09.53 | sree82 | somiaj: I did it long back , have that branch in launchpad, I couldn't revert it to debian that time :( |
| 07:10.23 | Gez | jelly-home: thanks, I was reading about snaptshot |
| 07:10.49 | jelly-home | I meant that as a comment on "upgraded and my nvidia drivers were uninstalled" |
| 07:10.54 | fgret | rasc, oh I see. Do you find any problems with your setup? |
| 07:10.55 | Gez | It seems exactly what I need. But I'm reading carefully, I don't want to break things even further. |
| 07:11.09 | somiaj | Gez: you should install apt-listbugs |
| 07:11.34 | Gez | what does it do, somiaj ? |
| 07:11.45 | somiaj | it tells you about bugs when you install/upgrade packages |
| 07:11.45 | rasc | fgret: I do get youtube and some old games in kongregate, nothing more complicated than that |
| 07:12.03 | rasc | fgret: I don't try anything more complicated |
| 07:12.24 | Gez | and jelly-home, you're right. I usually read the list of updates before applying. I didn't this time :( |
| 07:12.56 | rasc | Gez, somiaj: don't forget apt-listchanges too. I was pleased this comes by default now |
| 07:14.01 | jasabella | The following packages will be REMOVED: systemd-sysv |
| 07:14.02 | jasabella | The following NEW packages will be installed: sysvinit |
| 07:14.14 | jasabella | when i do dist-upgrade |
| 07:15.16 | somiaj | jasabella: what version of debian? |
| 07:15.43 | Gez | Maybe I should try to get nouveau working instead of fooling around with the snapshots |
| 07:15.55 | rasc | jasabella: sysvinit is just a "placeholder" package, sysvinit comes with sysvinit-core now, but systemd-sysv shouldn't be removed |
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| 07:16.13 | rasc | Gez: you won't, a new release is necessary |
| 07:16.27 | rasc | ops |
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| 07:16.49 | rasc | Gez: yeah, I read nvidia in the place of nouveau |
| 07:17.15 | jasabella | i just apt-get upgrade from 7.5->7.6 |
| 07:17.21 | jasabella | now i do dist-upgrade and it gives me that |
| 07:17.23 | Gez | rasc: any ideas about how to bring nouveau back to life? |
| 07:17.44 | Gez | X is starting now, but gdm crashes |
| 07:18.00 | rasc | do you have xserver-xorg-video-nouveau installed? |
| 07:18.05 | Gez | There has to be some leftover of the nvidia driver. |
| 07:18.08 | Gez | Yes, I have it. |
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| 07:18.29 | rasc | Gez: try a 'startx' to see what happens |
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| 07:19.31 | sree82 | somiaj: Could you please tell me how can I proceed? |
| 07:19.35 | jasabella | lsb_release -a tells me Description: Debian GNU/Linux 7.6 (wheezy) |
| 07:19.41 | Gez | That's what I did. X starts, but when it tries to load GDM it shows a white (or dark gray maybe) background with a sad computer saying uh, oh! :p |
| 07:19.57 | Gez | I'm uninstalling everything with the name nvidia-* |
| 07:20.46 | somiaj | sree82: I don't understand what you want to do. It is just a spelling error from the report you sent me so you can fix the text file if you want. If you want to get it fixed in debian submit a patch with your bugreport. If the matianer is unresponsive it takes a bit to get the change made. |
| 07:20.48 | rasc | put anothe window manager in xinitrc and try again |
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| 07:22.05 | Gez | rasc: It's not necessary. After removing everything from nvidia I got gnome running again |
| 07:22.09 | Gez | thanks anyway. |
| 07:22.26 | rasc | jasabella: try aptitude and see if it sees a better solution |
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| 07:22.33 | Gez | My box is alive again. |
| 07:22.34 | Gez | phew |
| 07:22.40 | karan200000 | hello |
| 07:23.07 | Gez | I think I'm going to give nouveau another shot |
| 07:24.16 | Gez | I use Blender, and the performance of the free drivers is still far behind the closed drivers, but if performance is reasonable I could keep it. I would have a 100% free box :) |
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| 07:25.49 | rasc | Gez: go poke nvidia about that :) |
| 07:25.56 | sree82 | somiaj:Ok, Is the secure-delete package for debian and Ubuntu different? |
| 07:26.13 | Gez | Hmmm. I just opened my last Blender project and it runs surprisingly well on nouveau. |
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| 07:26.31 | Gez | I'll give it a try until the problem with the closed drivers is solved at least. |
| 07:27.05 | somiaj | sree82: I would not know, you can check the ubuntu package from their repos but many tools are the same. |
| 07:27.12 | rryoumaa | just curious: what does this mean in locate's man page? "Print only entries that refer to files existing at the time locate is run." i thought only looking at its own database was how it worked. |
| 07:27.13 | Gez | Thanks for the help, rasc, somiaj and jelly-home |
| 07:27.26 | rasc | Gez: nvidia is contributing code to nouveau now, it's a hole new era for the free nvidia drivers |
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| 07:28.00 | Gez | rasc: As far as I know that's true but only for new models |
| 07:28.05 | Gez | (optimus, iirc?) |
| 07:28.08 | sree82 | somiaj:Ok, Thank you |
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| 07:28.21 | Gez | Anyway, it's good news. |
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| 07:28.50 | rasc | sree82: try the debian-mentors list, they could help you |
| 07:29.04 | somiaj | sree82: but making a patch and creating your own package could be a learning experience. (: |
| 07:29.10 | Gez | I'll go back to work. Thanks for your help everyone. See you later. |
| 07:29.37 | somiaj | unforntually getting patches applied to packages with abstant matainers is not always the easiest of tasks |
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| 07:31.23 | sree82 | somiaj:Is it that tough? ;) |
| 07:32.04 | sree82 | rasc: Ok, Do we have some channels dealing with debian bugs? |
| 07:32.23 | somiaj | sree82: in your case not really, a spelling patch is one of the easist. Basically unpatch the source follow the new debian matianers guide to using quilt to make a patch, change the file, and compile |
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| 07:33.24 | jasabella | so i should not install the dist-upgrade recommendations? |
| 07:33.44 | sree82 | somiaj:Ok, Thanks, let me try it :) |
| 07:34.05 | somiaj | sree82: https://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt#Basic_quilt_tasks |
| 07:35.09 | rasc | sree82: There's #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 07:35.42 | rasc | jasabella: you hould, but there could be some way to work around that |
| 07:35.48 | rasc | should* |
| 07:36.05 | somiaj | jasabella: since sysvinitrc is default in wheezy maybe you have some issue where some laten package is depending on it. Try to determine what is pulling sysvinit in. |
| 07:36.54 | jasabella | k |
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| 07:38.50 | rasc | run apt-cache policy sysvinit and paste the results in http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 07:39.06 | rasc | then bring the url for us |
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| 07:40.14 | somiaj | rasc: aptitude why sysvinit may help too. |
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| 07:42.24 | aphorise | will systemd be part of default debian install in the future? |
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| 07:43.01 | rasc | aphorise: the transition is going on right now |
| 07:43.17 | aphorise | Will changes thh |
| 07:43.20 | somiaj | aphorise: the plan is for it to be default in wheezy, though sysvinit will still be supported |
| 07:43.38 | aphorise | Will the changes be in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset init=/bin/systemd" ?? just wondering when I'll need to stop doing this :-P |
| 07:43.47 | jelly-home | somiaj: in jessie* ? |
| 07:43.53 | somiaj | oh yea jessie...haha |
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| 07:44.45 | rasc | aphorise: install systemd-sysv and you should be able to |
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| 07:45.55 | rasc | aphorise: it's your choice, not much will change, but an option to boot with sysvinit should appear in grub in the future |
| 07:46.14 | aphorise | thx good to know |
| 07:46.16 | somiaj | the systemd packages should make /sbin/init a link to systemd, at least in testing/unstable that is hwo it is |
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| 07:47.09 | jelly-home | rasc: presumably at that point sysvinit won't actually get removed when systemd-sysv is installed? |
| 07:47.55 | rasc | jelly-home: in the near future they will install a copy in /lib/sysvinit/ or something |
| 07:48.14 | rasc | and put an entry in the grub menu to boot with that |
| 07:49.41 | rasc | yeah, it will be /lib/sysvinit/init |
| 07:51.06 | rasc | somiaj: the package that does that is systemd-sysv |
| 07:55.04 | busch | Is it possible to configure vsftpd to listen on ipv4 and ipv6 simulaniously? It doesnt work on my Debian 7 server (only listen on ipv6). vsftpd version is 2.3.5. Here is my config: http://dpaste.com/36Y0S3E |
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| 08:01.06 | rasc | busch: theres a bug report for that: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574837 |
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| 08:01.50 | busch | rasc: Yep, listen in NO, listen_ipv6 is YES |
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| 08:04.12 | rasc | I have tried nothing and i'm out of ideas |
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| 08:04.45 | rasc | time to go, bye wonderful people |
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| 08:10.02 | Dagger | busch: and is the sysctl net.ipv6.bindv6only set to 0? |
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| 08:11.28 | busch | Dagger: sysctl -a | grep bindv6only returns nothing? |
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| 08:14.35 | Dagger | hm. it certainly should... |
| 08:14.42 | Dagger | http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/net/ipv6/sysctl_net_ipv6.c still there in 3.15 |
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| 08:17.31 | lxsameer | hey guys, I'm looking for a solution to create a debian repository with only softwares which i need, any recommendation ? |
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| 08:27.58 | sree82 | rasc, had some connection problem, Ok, Thank you |
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| 08:37.19 | sree82 | somiaj:How can I forward patches from Ubuntu to debian? |
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| 08:58.54 | nosklo | lxsameer: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
| 08:59.51 | lxsameer | thaanks |
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| 09:09.57 | temhaa | hi |
| 09:10.11 | temhaa | I'm studying mutt |
| 09:10.27 | temhaa | I setting up gmail with mutt but I get login failed error |
| 09:10.34 | nkuttler | temhaa: you might want #mutt |
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| 09:11.37 | temhaa | nkuttler, ok. I think maybe here faster then there |
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| 09:14.59 | newbieAlert | hey hi all, whats the way to corrupt the superblock?? |
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| 09:16.36 | newbieAlert | anyone?? |
| 09:17.23 | OpenTokix | newbieAlert: you want to corrupt it? |
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| 09:19.01 | newbieAlert | OpenTokix: yep |
| 09:19.18 | OpenTokix | newbieAlert: mdadm --zero-superblock devicepath |
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| 09:19.30 | newbieAlert | OpenTokix: tried with dd. but it automatically restores. |
| 09:19.31 | OpenTokix | newbieAlert: ie. mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdb |
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| 09:20.08 | newbieAlert | OpenTokix: i mean selective field coruuption that can be later restored by the user. |
| 09:21.01 | newbieAlert | OpenTokix: mdadm can be used for USB?? |
| 09:21.33 | OpenTokix | newbieAlert: ok |
| 09:21.51 | OpenTokix | newbieAlert: you have to do some calucation, to corrupt onlu the single block |
| 09:21.57 | OpenTokix | newbieAlert: is this for a lab? |
| 09:22.12 | newbieAlert | i did .. but after each dd it automatically restores to original value. |
| 09:22.33 | newbieAlert | no. |
| 09:22.38 | OpenTokix | newbieAlert: intresting |
| 09:23.20 | newbieAlert | OpenTokix: i actually made free inode and blocks to 0 so that the kernel thinks thta the device is full but after each dd the values are restored |
| 09:24.01 | OpenTokix | newbieAlert: what is the goal you are trying to reach with this? |
| 09:24.07 | newbieAlert | but ust after the operation , dumpe2fs shows the count_free_inode = 0 but if you plug in th eusb again, values are srestored. |
| 09:24.28 | newbieAlert | fool the pc into thinking that usb is full |
| 09:24.44 | newbieAlert | OpenTokix: all the PC , without actually being dependent on PC> |
| 09:25.44 | OpenTokix | I havent used a usb stick in about 10 years, so cant help you really |
| 09:26.45 | newbieAlert | OpenTokix: is there somekind of mechanism that restores the Primary superblock automatically?? |
| 09:27.17 | newbieAlert | OpenTokix: Thank you for your time :) :) |
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| 09:27.58 | zick | hi all... i cant boot on a arm machine, after a disk change (dd if=hda of=hdb) any reason plz ? |
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| 09:55.21 | TurkActivist | 240 Gaza targets attacked since Thursday: Israeli army http://www.aa.com.tr/en/news/361136--240-gaza-targets-attacked-since-thursday-israeli-army |
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| 09:59.57 | gabboman | Hi, I want to configure bind9 to answer by mysubdomain.mydomain.com , and let another dns answer for the rest of it. Where coud I find good documentation or help? |
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| 10:08.25 | tremon | gabboman: I'd start here: https://kb.isc.org/article/AA-01031 |
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| 10:09.23 | tremon | this is only the reference manual for the server, you'll probably need to read up on dns architecture itself as well |
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| 10:10.42 | gabboman | thanks tremon |
| 10:10.57 | tremon | gabboman: http://linux1.ca/docs/dns-primer.pdf looks useful as a first start |
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| 10:13.09 | tremon | and http://www.bind9.net/links is bound to have at least some useful links |
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| 10:14.24 | dragutux | hi i have updated my system libs and need to update |
| 10:14.31 | dragutux | tho i havent run ldconfig in ages.. |
| 10:14.35 | dragutux | any specific command ? |
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| 10:15.17 | tremon | "updated my system libs"? how? |
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| 10:16.06 | tremon | ldconfig is run as a post-install trigger for all packages that ship libraries, you should never have to run that manually |
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| 10:27.22 | dragutux | tremon, aptitude removed some |
| 10:27.32 | dragutux | but apparently references of them are still there |
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| 10:28.56 | dragutux | tremon, never have to run a tool manually ? |
| 10:29.03 | dragutux | it's not win32 planet here buddy |
| 10:29.08 | dragutux | or ubuntu for that matter |
| 10:29.23 | dragutux | especially since i'm a dev |
| 10:29.24 | dragutux | lol |
| 10:29.28 | dragutux | some people :D |
| 10:30.29 | tremon | well, if you're a dev you should be able to trace your aptitude binary and verify for yourself if ldconfig is being run or not. There's no point in arguing |
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| 10:35.30 | sandman13 | I want to manually start KDM. Will disabling the execute permission on /etc/init.d will do? |
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| 10:37.02 | redeathray | Hi, I have a problem, I installed debian on a virtual machine on android and, to have the GUI I have to run a vnc client but I only get a grey screen and a black cross |
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| 10:39.47 | tremon | sandman13: it will (iff you're running sysvinit), and you shouldn't. Run update-rc.d kdm disable instead |
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| 10:41.34 | tremon | redeathray: that screen usually indicates that X (the graphics system) is installed, but you did not install any desktop environment (like kde, fluxbox, lxde). Not sure if the same applies to the android environment |
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| 10:42.19 | sandman13 | tremon: thanks |
| 10:42.40 | redeathray | ok so If i install xfce with terminal it should work? |
| 10:44.23 | tremon | "should" being the operative word |
| 10:44.25 | sandman13 | redeathray: go for LXDE |
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| 10:44.38 | redeathray | ok |
| 10:45.15 | sandman13 | AFAIK other DE are more power demanding which may not be good for Android devices (battery life) |
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| 10:46.17 | meek_geek | sup |
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| 10:47.14 | meek_geek | I have a question if I have some program installed like adb and if same is to be run ./adb <-- if it is there in a folder of the program |
| 10:47.18 | meek_geek | does it give error ? |
| 10:47.22 | meek_geek | or would it run well ? |
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| 10:48.21 | SynrGy | ,v android-tools-adb |
| 10:48.22 | judd | Package: android-tools-adb on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 4.2.2+git20130529-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 4.2.2+git20130529-3; sid: 4.2.2+git20130529-3 |
| 10:48.36 | SynrGy | there is a backport of that for wheezy. why not simply use the debian package of it? |
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| 10:49.05 | duggles | ./adb will not run unless adb is inside that folder. this is bevause you have specified the path so the shell won't search for adb in your PATH |
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| 10:49.23 | SynrGy | and that, yes. |
| 10:49.34 | SynrGy | but if you use the debian package, it will be in your PATH |
| 10:49.41 | SynrGy | so just leave off the "./" |
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| 10:55.15 | shay_shay | how to list all factoids of dpkg bot? |
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| 11:05.55 | basic6_ | i can't reattach to screen sessions on debian/kbsd hosts (works on linux hosts though), screen -x simply does nothing (but exit code 0), is this a known issue? |
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| 11:30.58 | shingouz | shay_shay: i am not sure how to list *all* of them, but you can do a "listkeys foo" and get relevant results |
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| 11:46.06 | SquirrelCZECH_ | hi folks, what are sane values for "nice": I 've web computer, which main purpose is controlling machine via app |
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| 11:46.26 | SquirrelCZECH_ | so, that app is high priority |
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| 11:52.35 | musca | SquirrelCZECH_: 0 is a sane default value |
| 11:52.39 | duggles | SquirrelCZECH_: the default nice value is 0, you can set it to a negative number (up to -20) to increase it's priority. Setting it to -1 should be enough (setting it to -20 can affect processes that need to have priority which is bad) |
| 11:52.51 | SquirrelCZECH_ | ok |
| 11:52.56 | shay_shay | shingouz: thanks that helps |
| 11:52.59 | shay_shay | :) |
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| 11:53.45 | dvs | sets it to 100 because he's not very "nice" |
| 11:54.28 | SquirrelCZECH_ | yeah, thanks |
| 11:54.35 | duggles | look at you with your fancy custom kernel (since PRIO_MAX is 20). also, dvs you meanie |
| 11:54.41 | SquirrelCZECH_ | now automate it |
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| 11:58.10 | duggles | in your startup script have something like 'nice -n -1 mywebapp' as the command to start the app. iirc this must be run as root (so use sudo or setuid) |
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| 12:26.06 | BWMerlin | when I run groups there is no sudo group, is that normal? |
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| 12:26.34 | BWMerlin | I am trying to write a bash script and have bearly gotten started and have run into many problems |
| 12:27.08 | Shadow_7 | BWMerlin: depends on the distro. Kind of normal for debian. Groups gives the groups that a user is in. Not a list of groups that are available. |
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| 12:27.45 | Shadow_7 | BWMerlin: debians default is dash, so don't #!/bin/sh or run a script with sh or it will run under dash. |
| 12:28.12 | Shadow_7 | BWMerlin: use #!/bin/bash or launch it with ./ |
| 12:28.38 | Shadow_7 | and launch it with ./ or bash <script> |
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| 12:32.24 | BWMerlin | Shadow_7: my script does start with #!/bin/bash and i tried ./script.sh but when I try ./script.sh I get permission denied |
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| 12:33.00 | BWMerlin | so I tried sudo ./script.sh and get command not found |
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| 12:35.39 | tremon | BWMerlin: tried chmod a+x script.sh? |
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| 12:36.12 | Shadow_7 | BWMerlin: chmod +x script.sh to have ./ work. |
| 12:36.38 | Shadow_7 | BWMerlin: or run it with bash to run it under bash (ignores the interpreter line) |
| 12:36.42 | BWMerlin | I used u+x |
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| 12:37.44 | Shadow_7 | BWMerlin: it's been a while since I've done a base install, but I believe sudo is NOT installed by default in debian. At least if you do a minimal install. |
| 12:38.01 | Shadow_7 | BWMerlin: so $(which sudo) will like find nothing, aka command not found. |
| 12:38.28 | SirLagz | base install has no sudo |
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| 12:38.48 | BWMerlin | I tried aptitude install sudo and it said there was nothing to install |
| 12:39.33 | jpinx | BWMerlin: new install? check your sources-list |
| 12:39.41 | Shadow_7 | The script will still need +x attributes to run, even as root or with administrator priviledges |
| 12:39.47 | BWMerlin | yes a new install |
| 12:40.04 | Shadow_7 | unless you prefix it with bash and not ./ |
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| 12:40.45 | jpinx | BWMerlin: sudo is not included in the base system iirc |
| 12:41.03 | BWMerlin | yay got it working |
| 12:41.08 | BWMerlin | seems sudo is there |
| 12:41.08 | jpinx | but you don't need it if you work as root to setup the system |
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| 12:41.33 | BWMerlin | had to change to root then usermod -G username |
| 12:41.37 | BWMerlin | logout and log back in |
| 12:41.40 | BWMerlin | and I can now sudo |
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| 12:41.50 | BWMerlin | which means I can now change the chmod of the script |
| 12:41.52 | BWMerlin | and it now runs |
| 12:42.00 | BWMerlin | and list what I want it to list |
| 12:42.05 | BWMerlin | now that hard part comes |
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| 12:42.51 | Shadow_7 | You can chmod the script as the user that created the script. Without any of that fluff |
| 12:42.52 | tremon | the canonical (debian) way to add a user to a group is "adduser $user $group" |
| 12:43.02 | jasabell1 | reminds me of an old joke hehe |
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| 12:43.46 | codepython777 | whats an easy way to install sublime 3 on debian (preferably using apt-get/aptitude)? |
| 12:44.21 | BWMerlin | Shadow_7: it wouldn't let me, kept getting permission denied |
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| 12:45.47 | jpinx | codepython777: aptitude search sublime |
| 12:46.01 | dob1 | hi, i was looking at this iptables rules to block/prevent ssh bruteforce http://hastebin.com/ecuqonugil.hs , it blocks for one minute an ip if it connects more than 3 times in a minute, but the 'check time' and the 'block time' has to be the same, right? |
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| 12:46.32 | jasabell1 | how to chmod 755 chmod? :) |
| 12:46.36 | codepython777 | jpinx: nada |
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| 12:47.04 | codepython777 | also i'm using xterm, and would like to get a nicer terminal. Eterm? any other light weight but nice suggestions? |
| 12:47.08 | tremon | dob1: can you paste that to a pastebin that doesn't require javascript? |
| 12:47.17 | jpinx | codepython777: I got two entries |
| 12:47.17 | Shadow_7 | BWMerlin: chmod +x script.sh |
| 12:47.33 | jaakkos | dob1: why not use fail2ban ? |
| 12:47.34 | tremon | codepython777: urxvt and roxterm are my preferred terminals |
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| 12:47.37 | Shadow_7 | BWMerlin: which assumes that ls -l script.sh shows you as the owner / group |
| 12:47.51 | jaakkos | dob1: just install the package and you're done |
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| 12:48.02 | codepython777 | tremon: can i use consolas in any one of those easily? |
| 12:48.19 | BWMerlin | Shadow_7: it does not, I am pretty sure it is telling me that root is the owner |
| 12:48.29 | dob1 | tremon, http://pastebin.com/b5iw6AX3 |
| 12:48.30 | BWMerlin | -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 24 Jul 19 22:11 merged.sh |
| 12:48.31 | codepython777 | tremon: I'm using icewm. roxterm seems to be using gtk+ = not lean perhaps? |
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| 12:48.57 | codepython777 | tremon: roxterm = 60MB, eterm = 2MB! |
| 12:49.39 | tremon | codepython777: $ ldd `which roxterm` | wc -l --> 80 . Probably not that lightweight, no |
| 12:50.03 | codepython777 | tremon: rxvt - how do i change font/size? |
| 12:50.09 | dob1 | jaakkos, it seems more simple this to me, i don't know if i am wrong |
| 12:50.20 | codepython777 | rxvt = 1MB. |
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| 12:50.59 | codepython777 | tremon: i'd prefer something which allows me to use a menu to change the fonts etc. |
| 12:51.25 | tremon | codepython777: you can only change urxvt through Xresources: http://wiki.afterstep.org/index.php?title=Rxvt-Unicode_Configuration_Tutorial |
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| 12:52.39 | tremon | maybe use https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Rxvt-unicode , it has a hint on how to find all xresources parameters from rxvt |
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| 12:53.46 | format_c | codepython777, Tryed Crtl+right click |
| 12:53.50 | format_c | (hold) |
| 12:54.59 | tremon | dob1: I'm not familiar with the mod_recent module for iptables. Won't it rate-limit traffic on existing connections as well? |
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| 12:56.09 | tremon | dob1: I'm using something similar though, with mod_limit: -m state --state NEW -m limit --limit 1/m --limit-burst 8 -j ACCEPT |
| 12:56.50 | codepython777 | format_c: didnt show me a menu with font options |
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| 12:57.56 | tremon | dob1: important though, these solutions do not check whether a login succeeded. Repeatedly calling scp in a loop will also be blocked, especially if you use public-key authentication |
| 12:58.08 | format_c | codepython777, ok was a try. The *xterm terminals show a menu related menu |
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| 12:58.45 | dob1 | tremon, i know this, a succeful login is the same as a failed login |
| 12:59.38 | petern_ | fail2ban works nicely for ssh |
| 12:59.41 | dob1 | tremon, do you think si better to switch to fail2ban as jaakkos suggested? |
| 13:00.16 | codepython777 | format_c: that worked on my xterm, nice. Thanks |
| 13:00.25 | tremon | dob1: it really depends on what you want to block. fail2ban is probably easier to verify and audit, and has less chance of annoying legitimate users |
| 13:00.26 | petern_ | and disable root and password authentication if possible |
| 13:00.36 | petern_ | *root logins |
| 13:01.05 | dob1 | root login is disabled, i setup a list of only allowed users but i prefer to keep password login |
| 13:01.22 | format_c | codepython777, and you can permanently configure using .Xdefaults or .Xresources |
| 13:01.42 | codepython777 | format_c: thanks |
| 13:01.55 | codepython777 | any ideas how to install sublime text 3 using commandline ? |
| 13:02.24 | Shadow_7 | BWMerlin: do you want root to be the owner? chown <user>:<group> <file> |
| 13:02.35 | format_c | what is sublime text? |
| 13:02.45 | Shadow_7 | BWMerlin: which you'll have to do as root, but then shouldn't need root. |
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| 13:04.39 | Shadow_7 | BWMerlin: and the file will need to be in the /home/... of the user to make changes to ofc. |
| 13:05.25 | BWMerlin | I don't know who I want the owner to be, I just want it to run |
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| 13:08.15 | codepython777 | format_c: how do you paste in a x-window terminal? I've a ctrl+C from chrome. |
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| 13:09.14 | format_c | codepython777, you hae to use the X11 built-in method: Mark the text with the mouse and middle-click in the destination window. |
| 13:09.28 | format_c | No more key press event necessary. |
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| 13:10.17 | codepython777 | format_c: I need a key press copy/paste? |
| 13:10.28 | format_c | No |
| 13:10.41 | format_c | As soon as the text is marked, it's in the X11 clipboard |
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| 13:12.20 | codepython777 | format_c: I've a chrome window. I do a selection + ctrl+C. then when i try to paste in x-window , middle mouse doesnt work |
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| 13:14.28 | shingouz | codepython777: just paint the selection with the mouse, then middle-click at the correct insert point. if middle click does not work or you have a two-button mouse, try clicking both buttons as a replacement for middleclick |
| 13:15.05 | codepython777 | shingouz: the problem is - i'm trying cut from chromium and paste in xterm |
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| 13:15.39 | format_c | codepython777, mhh works for me perfecly. My middle mouse is presing the scroll wheel. Alternatively the simulated middle button is left and right click at the same time. |
| 13:15.49 | shingouz | codepython777: i understood that. you do not need to ctrl-c in chromium. just highlight the selection with the mouse and middle-click |
| 13:16.06 | codepython777 | doesnt work for me for some reason |
| 13:16.17 | codepython777 | neither the middle button, nor both buttons |
| 13:16.28 | codepython777 | debian is running as a guest inside windows using vbox for me |
| 13:16.55 | shingouz | codepython777: that might be the explanation. windows could be screwing with the mouse somehow |
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| 13:17.21 | Shadow_7 | emulate3button can be hard to configure these days. As xong.conf kind of ignores input stuff by default these days. |
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| 13:17.22 | shingouz | re-reads that and notices it looks downright sick :) |
| 13:17.23 | codepython777 | shingouz: its full screen, i think something is messed up in icewm perhaps? |
| 13:17.33 | format_c | It's important not to mark anything in when selecting the destination window. Even not empty space. |
| 13:17.38 | Shadow_7 | xinput can help toggle a few preferences |
| 13:17.46 | shingouz | i am guessing windows and the vm.... |
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| 13:20.46 | format_c | codepython777, starting virtualbox on Linux and copy&paste within that virtual box works as well. But my host OS is Linux as well- |
| 13:22.30 | format_c | codepython777, maybe you need to install the virtualbox guest tools. Maybe the middle mouse button event isn't passed properly to the VM. |
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| 13:23.23 | format_c | codepython777, aptitude search virtualbox-guest |
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| 13:25.01 | meaneye_ | Hi folks. Anyone has idea what the hell happened to nVidia driver? |
| 13:25.21 | meaneye_ | Updated my system and nvidia-driver package is no longer available. |
| 13:26.09 | Shadow_7 | The NSA data sucked it out of existence. For testing/unstable there's an abi-## conflict iirc. |
| 13:26.19 | format_c | meaneye_, I used to use the propreitary one from the Nvidia website. Works perfectly. |
| 13:26.44 | meaneye_ | format_c, I'd like to avoid downloading from nvidia site if possible. |
| 13:26.49 | petern_ | Works as long as you don't mind your package system being screwed over. |
| 13:28.05 | meaneye_ | petern_, You are referring to downloading driver from their site or in general using binary driver? |
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| 13:28.40 | petern_ | meaneye_, the former. |
| 13:29.14 | meaneye_ | So why did the nvidia-glx dissapear from repos? |
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| 13:29.55 | f55384 | hi, im getting errors in journalctl whenever i use optirun/optimus. "kernel: vgaarb: this pci device is not a vga device". |
| 13:30.25 | f55384 | is this of to ignore? everything works as far as i can tell |
| 13:31.07 | petern_ | meaneye_, are you using testing/unstable? |
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| 13:31.20 | meaneye_ | petern_, testing. |
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| 13:31.42 | petern_ | meaneye_, then read what Shadow_7 wrote above. And there's a separate IRC channel for testing/unstable support, this is for stable. |
| 13:32.00 | meaneye_ | Ah, okay. Thanks. |
| 13:32.11 | Shadow_7 | meaneye_: xorg-video-abi-## conflicts with them proprietary thingies. |
| 13:32.57 | meaneye_ | Shadow_7, so what am I suppose to do know? |
| 13:33.13 | Shadow_7 | meaneye_: use stable for the next six months? |
| 13:33.38 | Shadow_7 | meaneye_: or use the nouveau (sp?) or radeon drivers. |
| 13:33.44 | meaneye_ | Shadow_7, That means I would have to reinstall and reconfigure everything. |
| 13:34.07 | Shadow_7 | meaneye_: or run stable (different install) and chroot to testing |
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| 13:34.30 | meaneye_ | Or, we don't break thousands of computers because reasons. |
| 13:34.52 | Shadow_7 | things evolved. nvideo and amd didn't |
| 13:35.21 | Shadow_7 | and testing/unstable was never meant for production machines |
| 13:35.37 | meaneye_ | Yeah I know. |
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| 13:35.48 | meaneye_ | I'll switch to nouveau until this issue is resolved . |
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| 13:37.00 | Shadow_7 | I expect much breakage with wayland and systemd coming down the pipeline |
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| 13:37.26 | meaneye_ | Am willing to suffer through those. |
| 13:37.41 | meaneye_ | SystemD is making my computer boot like a champ. |
| 13:38.07 | Shadow_7 | my computer shutdowns fast, but it boots faster but with a ro filesystem. |
| 13:38.31 | Shadow_7 | I should get off my duff and configure an /etc/fstab for it someday. |
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| 13:39.08 | meaneye_ | For some strange reason nouveau makes boot up soooo slow. |
| 13:39.48 | meaneye_ | Scratch that. Works fine. Okay thanks folks. |
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| 13:40.09 | meaneye_ | Shadow_7, do these changes mean Wayland is coming to debian soon? |
| 13:40.31 | Shadow_7 | meaneye_: idk. Just a power user. |
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| 13:41.14 | tremon | meaneye_: not in this cycle (jessie). Although strictly speaking, wayland itself already is in debian. There's just no desktop environment for it |
| 13:41.15 | meaneye_ | Well, I did see the news of new version of X.Org getting XWayland built-in. |
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| 13:41.30 | meaneye_ | tremon, Yeah. I know tha.t |
| 13:41.43 | meaneye_ | Well, can't wait for that either ;D |
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| 14:11.33 | stark | anyone using the bsd kernel get any performance boost over linux ? |
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| 14:40.42 | Vanfanel | Hi! Is there a general MAKE or GCC LOG generated in the system? where should it be located? |
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| 14:42.16 | centrx | Vanfanel, Negative |
| 14:42.18 | monode | hello |
| 14:42.35 | monode | I have a E3131 usb 3G modem, which presents itself as a cdrom and i have to run sg to switch it to a usb device. |
| 14:43.05 | monode | the modem lists itself as a cdrom, i'm supposed to run |
| 14:43.06 | monode | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.27 | monode | and after tha, it will disconnect, reconnect, reenumerate with a different vid:pid and create some devices (/dev/ttyUSB{0-2}). |
| 14:43.36 | fnoyanisi | hi, any luck in mounting media (or win drives) via thunar (xfce fm) as I am getting difficulties in that? I googled a bit but could not find a proper solution. |
| 14:43.39 | Vanfanel | centrx: thanks |
| 14:43.51 | monode | this all happens ok, but the next step usually involes some magically added nic, which I can't see in ifconfig (-a) |
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| 14:44.45 | Penix | monode: "nic"? a ppp interface? |
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| 14:45.23 | monode | I think it's a ppp interface, yes |
| 14:45.39 | monode | sorry, i just meant interface (not sure if it's ppp) |
| 14:45.54 | Penix | well, what's the name of the interface? |
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| 14:46.09 | monode | I don't know, that's what I'm trying to find out. |
| 14:46.27 | monode | every tutorial says that after running modeswitch, you will get /dev/ttyUSB{0-2} and an interface, but I only get the /devs |
| 14:46.33 | monode | modeswitch/sg_raw |
| 14:46.43 | Penix | the interface would be created by the ppp daemon |
| 14:46.43 | monode | (tried both, same result) |
| 14:47.15 | monode | I have ppp installed, I'm not exactly sure what else I need to do. |
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| 14:47.31 | Penix | you need to configure ppp to use the appropriate device node for the modem |
| 14:47.52 | Penix | google "Linux ppp 3G conf" or something similar |
| 14:47.57 | Penix | should be plenty of examples around |
| 14:48.00 | monode | i see, that makes sense |
| 14:48.01 | monode | thanks |
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| 14:56.17 | monode | Penix: wvdial is supposed to use ppp, and I'm only supposed to edit the wvdial conf file, iirc? |
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| 15:01.25 | Shadow_7 | I dabbled in that land for dialup back in the day. wvdial was quirky, I ended up using diald instead. |
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| 15:09.28 | nkuttler | monode: pppoe? |
| 15:09.57 | monode | no, a 3g modem (e3131) that creates the /dev/ttyUSB{0,3} devices, but not sure what to do to creat ethe interface |
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| 15:11.44 | monode | so far it seems to die with Modem not responding from wvdial after running ATD*99# |
| 15:13.31 | Shadow_7 | No ATZ type init stuff to reset the modem to factory defaults or some such? been a good while since I've mingled. |
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| 15:14.12 | monode | i have line1=ATZ, line2=ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2, line3=AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet", line4=ATD*99# |
| 15:14.20 | monode | i have confirmed with my provider that the AP is indeed named "internet" |
| 15:14.35 | martianlobster1 | I need to download the source code for perf and compile for my custom kernel, 3.10.4 |
| 15:14.36 | monode | by lines I mean "Initx" lines in /etc/wvconf |
| 15:14.46 | Shadow_7 | all lower case? or leading capital I? |
| 15:14.50 | martianlobster1 | Where can I get the source code for perf? |
| 15:15.09 | monode | just as I've written them |
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| 15:15.29 | Shadow_7 | I mean verified that it's "internet" and all lowercase? |
| 15:15.37 | mtn | martianlobster1: the debian repos? |
| 15:15.40 | monode | I think the device uses /dev/ttyUSB0 for control and some other of the /dev/ttyUSB{1-3} for data |
| 15:15.44 | monode | Shadow_7: yes, "internet" |
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| 15:16.23 | martianlobster1 | mtn: thanks |
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| 15:17.51 | martianlobster1 | mtn: *sigh* apt-cache search | egrep source isn't helpful |
| 15:18.27 | mtn | martianlobster1: try using synaptic and/or http://packages.debian.org |
| 15:18.37 | Shadow_7 | monode: and they exist? the /dev/.. As hinted at with /proc/devices and /proc/misc. udev should technically take care of that. |
| 15:18.41 | martianlobster1 | pl |
| 15:18.47 | martianlobster1 | mtn ok thanks |
| 15:19.00 | monode | Shadow_7: yes, when modeswitching, the device creates 4 /dev/ttyUSBx devices |
| 15:19.02 | Shadow_7 | martianlobster1: there's apt-file. although you'll need the deb-src line in your /etc/apt/sources.list for sources. |
| 15:19.42 | Shadow_7 | martianlobster1: and if perf is the package name. apt-get source perf |
| 15:19.47 | martianlobster1 | Shadow_7: that is a good point, I need to check that sources.list has debv-src in it |
| 15:19.54 | monode | shadow7: i'm not exactly sure what I should do |
| 15:20.21 | martianlobster1 | Shadow_7: the perf executable is in the linux-tools package |
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| 15:20.32 | Shadow_7 | monode: I seem to recall some monitor tool to manually type those AT lines in |
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| 15:20.55 | monode | I tried, it's minicom, all went ok up to connect |
| 15:21.01 | monode | (esentially, what wvdial did) |
| 15:21.03 | Shadow_7 | martianlobster1: so apt-get source linux-tools, and cd to the needed part of the tree |
| 15:21.16 | formorer | cu ; minicom; gtkterm |
| 15:21.32 | martianlobster1 | Shadow_7: thanks! |
| 15:22.36 | Shadow_7 | monode: and the carrier isn't intentionally making it fail? data caps / TOU / whatever... |
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| 15:22.54 | monode | yes, i just tested it on windows 10 minutes ago |
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| 15:23.14 | monode | the dvice (e3131) is known to be working, I just can't figure out what to do :) |
| 15:23.37 | aliendough | hi guys. i'm trying to install weechat to a remote machine running debian 6.0.5. i am following the instructions here http://www.weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_user.en.html#compile_with_autotools . i am currently in my home directory on the shell /home/bingefeller/ . should i download the weechat source package to this directory and then created the build directory as per the instructions? the other thing i don't understand is where it |
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| 15:24.18 | Shadow_7 | Your guess is as good as mine at this point. Perhaps some form of logging from windows might hint at what's missing. |
| 15:24.35 | Shadow_7 | monode: or could be missing a kernel module that isn't modprobed. |
| 15:25.16 | mtn | aliendough: why not install weechat from the debian repos? |
| 15:25.42 | monode | it's just a regular ppp-like modem, iirc |
| 15:26.07 | aliendough | mtn: when i try to install it using the apt-get command i get this message "Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)" |
| 15:26.16 | aliendough | "Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?" |
| 15:26.20 | mtn | aliendough: so you need to be root |
| 15:26.32 | aliendough | yes, can i do that on a shell? |
| 15:26.48 | mtn | aliendough: of course. did you try? |
| 15:26.50 | aliendough | i have tried using sudo apt-get too |
| 15:26.57 | aliendough | mtn, i don't know how to |
| 15:27.07 | mtn | aliendough: use the su command |
| 15:27.20 | aliendough | ahh thank you |
| 15:27.22 | aliendough | i will try this |
| 15:27.39 | aliendough | so i type su apt-get weechat-curses ? |
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| 15:28.24 | centrx | aliendough, su -c apt-get weechat-curses |
| 15:28.52 | aliendough | thanks, i'll try that |
| 15:28.54 | aliendough | brb! |
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| 15:29.30 | MrFrood | aliendough: centrx su -c "apt-get weechat-curses" |
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| 15:33.43 | Amgine | I am running a personal server on Debian Jessie, but php5 5.6x has implemented some breaking changes so I need to downgrade to 5.5. Is there an easy tutorial/method someone can point me at? |
| 15:34.12 | Brigo | ,v php5 |
| 15:34.13 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3-7+squeeze20; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u11; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u12; jessie: 5.6.0~rc2+dfsg-3; sid: 5.6.0~rc2+dfsg-4 |
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| 15:34.45 | Brigo | Amgine, uninstall it and install then from wheezy |
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| 15:34.58 | Amgine | Thanks Brigo. |
| 15:35.11 | Brigo | Amgine, or wheezy-security, better |
| 15:36.11 | Amgine | Do I add wheezy-security to the sources.list, then install php5=version? |
| 15:36.49 | centrx | Amgine, With security updates you should install all of them, complete apt-get upgrade |
| 15:37.18 | centrx | oh nevermind you're trying to future-port it to jessie |
| 15:37.36 | centrx | Amgine, So yes, apt-get install php5=version |
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| 15:43.02 | martianlobster1 | Shadow_7: , I ran "apt-get source linux-tools" the files are in /usr/linux-latest-46/debian/. but I don't see any source code or makefiles. There are a lot of config files, lots of files ending in presubj, There is no Readme or configure. How do I build? |
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| 15:43.25 | antithesis | Does every packages in the Testing repository have a backport for Stable? |
| 15:44.52 | centrx | antithesis, no |
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| 15:45.06 | antithesis | centrx how many, by estimate? |
| 15:45.14 | antithesis | Or what percentage |
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| 15:46.24 | netdis | hello |
| 15:46.35 | centrx | antithesis, From http://backports.debian.org/ it looks like there are 743 backported packages, so a small percentage but also the most popular packages are the ones backported |
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| 15:47.31 | netdis | installed debian with xfce on virtualbox with guest additions but still don't have 1366x768 resolution |
| 15:47.44 | martianlobster1 | Shadow_7: maybe this is what I need http://lumiera.org/documentation/user/tutorials/DebianBuilding.html |
| 15:47.50 | netdis | also Auto-resize Guest Display is greyed out, any ideas? |
| 15:48.30 | netdis | i have 1280x960 and few others in xrandr |
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| 15:49.57 | netdis | read somewhere that i have to add this line to xorg.conf Option "UseFBDev" "false", it should be in Device section? |
| 15:50.02 | newbieAlert | help please. issue with superblock corruption. |
| 15:50.04 | Thomas1 | Hey, I am having an issue with setting ACL and it actually working...Anyone care to give some input.... |
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| 15:51.33 | Brigo | newbieAlert, and the question is? |
| 15:52.17 | nkuttler | newbieAlert: run fsck with -b |
| 15:52.29 | aliendough | hi guys, when i type in the su -c apt-get "weechat-curses" i get an error saying Unknown ID: weechat-curses |
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| 15:53.25 | breadstick | hey room. Anyone experience this: I'm able to access the internet when running crunchbang 32-bit iso from a dvd however I am unable to access internet when running the 64-bit iso burnt to a usb using unetbootin. I'm not sure whether it is in the correct but i guess as it's built on debian... |
| 15:53.26 | formorer | aliendough: you are missing the actual command |
| 15:53.35 | formorer | aliendough: like apt-get install weechat-curses |
| 15:53.37 | aliendough | ah the install |
| 15:53.39 | aliendough | sorry! |
| 15:53.41 | centrx | !crunchbang |
| 15:53.42 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 15:54.01 | aliendough | now it says unknown id: install.... |
| 15:54.02 | aliendough | lol |
| 15:54.14 | breadstick | cheers. |
| 15:54.18 | formorer | aliendough: yeah, you have a su bug too |
| 15:54.20 | centrx | aliendough, put the whole command in quotes.. |
| 15:54.34 | aliendough | https://i.imgur.com/EpAGP9Y.png |
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| 15:55.01 | aliendough | -bash: su -c apt-get install weechat-curses: command not found |
| 15:55.06 | aliendough | oh well |
| 15:55.09 | centrx | aliendough, What is the whole command you are trying to execute in a command shell from su -c |
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| 15:55.12 | newbieAlert | brigo: |
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| 15:55.36 | aliendough | centrx: su -c apt-get install weechat-curses |
| 15:55.47 | aliendough | i am logged into remote machine via ssh |
| 15:55.55 | newbieAlert | Brigo: i want to corrupt specific bits of the superblcok |
| 15:55.55 | newbieAlert | which is not being possible as it is getting restored again and again |
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| 15:56.04 | formorer | aliendough: su - -c 'apt-get install weechat-curses' |
| 15:56.11 | formorer | aliendough: and you should setup sudo |
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| 15:56.39 | Brigo | newbieAlert, you want to corrupt?? |
| 15:57.05 | newbieAlert | nkuttler: i dont want to solve it, i want to change specific bits of the superblock. specifically, unallocated inodes and blocks |
| 15:57.34 | aliendough | sorry, formorer, that's not working for me "su: Authentication failure" |
| 15:57.37 | Brigo | newbieAlert, well, first, of course, a backup |
| 15:57.45 | aliendough | i have tried twice and entered my password in slowly |
| 15:57.52 | aliendough | i will have to get the admin to install for me |
| 15:57.54 | formorer | aliendough: then you haven't entered your root password corretcly |
| 15:58.02 | aliendough | formorer: i have sir |
| 15:58.06 | formorer | nope. |
| 15:58.11 | aliendough | i tried twice and it's definitely correct |
| 15:58.24 | aliendough | i only have one password |
| 15:58.24 | formorer | I verified the command before I pasted it. and it works. |
| 15:58.52 | aliendough | formorer: i am logged into a remote machine, does that make a difference? |
| 15:58.59 | aliendough | i am connecting via ssh |
| 15:59.12 | aliendough | they only gave me one password and i have definitely entered it correctly |
| 15:59.26 | formorer | aliendough: I did too. it only makes a difference in that you need to enter the root password of that remote box. |
| 15:59.41 | formorer | aliendough: that doesn't have to mean it is the correct one. |
| 16:00.00 | formorer | aliendough: can you try sudo -l with your user password? |
| 16:00.17 | nkuttler | newbieAlert: what? you want to break your superblock? |
| 16:00.29 | aliendough | 'sudo -l apt-get install weechat-curses' ? |
| 16:00.37 | formorer | aliendough: no, just sudo -l |
| 16:00.46 | aliendough | alright let me see |
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| 16:01.01 | aliendough | sudo: must be setuid root |
| 16:01.09 | formorer | funny system. |
| 16:01.12 | aliendough | yeah |
| 16:01.14 | aliendough | hehe |
| 16:01.26 | formorer | so you have to ask your admin. |
| 16:01.26 | aliendough | i don't know much about debian myself, as i'm trying to learn from this |
| 16:01.29 | aliendough | alright |
| 16:01.39 | aliendough | ask him to install weechat for me and to fix sudo? |
| 16:01.50 | formorer | aliendough: as usual debian wouldn't give that message on executing sudo |
| 16:01.57 | aliendough | oh |
| 16:02.14 | newbieAlert | Brigo: yes. i do have a backup. and i am using dd for writing bits. if i write the first 4 bits, dumpe2fs isn recognizing the superblock. but if change the bits corrosponding to unallocated inodes and blocks, after any operation it is getting restored. |
| 16:02.54 | aliendough | thanks for your help, formorer |
| 16:03.14 | newbieAlert | nkuttler: above |
| 16:03.16 | newbieAlert | nkuttler: not exactly break, better word : manually modify :D |
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| 16:04.31 | anoob | hi, does debian have something like fedora's fpaste (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/fpaste/) ? |
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| 16:05.23 | anoob | "fpaste --sysinfo" would create a new paste with system info. example: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/119244/57849921/ |
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| 16:09.54 | Thomas1 | Get someone help me with why ACL permissions are not working.. |
| 16:09.55 | Thomas1 | http://pastebin.com/UfcPSZhs |
| 16:11.13 | Thomas1 | I set acl rwx on /home/project/shared for user steve, when user steve trys to cd into dir he gets permission denied.. what am I missing? |
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| 16:20.03 | Bombo | hi |
| 16:20.08 | aliendough | hi |
| 16:21.15 | monode | my E3131 3G modem is returning a class A ip from my ISP when connecting through wvdial, which is of course, useless; if I use it in windows I get a public ip |
| 16:21.51 | monode | anything I should do? the only message that seems interesting is "cannot determine remote IP, defaulting to 10.64.64.64" in the syslog |
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| 16:22.24 | Bombo | i installed this on amd64 (multilib) $ dpkg -L libfontconfig1:i386 shows '/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libfontconfig.so.1.5.0' but gcc -m32 -o fctest -g -O2 fctest.c -L/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu -lfontconfig gives me this error '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lfontconfig' |
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| 16:24.54 | tremon | Bombo: you need to install the corresponding -dev package |
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| 16:25.59 | Bombo | tremon: libfontconfig1-dev is installed |
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| 16:29.11 | tremon | Bombo: hmm, then that command should just work. Although I have no idea how the gcc-multilib package is built, the direct path to libfontconfig.so is specified. Does the same thing happen if you use i386-linux-gnu-gcc (or something like that) instead of gcc -m32? |
| 16:30.08 | tremon | (assuming that gcc-multilib does include an actual cross-compiler) |
| 16:30.51 | Bombo | tremon: i see no cc |
| 16:31.02 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Since upgrading to wheezy I get false IP6 paniclog entries, see http://paste.debian.net/110521/. Seems like exim tries to bind multiple times. Any hints? |
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| 16:31.43 | Janos | hey there, any idea what happened with the nvidia-driver package in Jessie ? |
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| 16:32.19 | Bombo | hmm /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfontconfig.so exists, but /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libfontconfig.so doesn't, |
| 16:32.45 | Bombo | i linked manually to /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libfontconfig.so.1.5.0, and the code compiles! :) |
| 16:33.16 | Bombo | who is responsible for creating the links? |
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| 16:34.00 | tremon | Bombo: that's odd. I checked the contents of the -dev package, and the .so is listed |
| 16:34.19 | Bombo | dpkg -L libfontconfig1:amd64 lists just /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfontconfig.so.1.5.0 |
| 16:34.19 | dpkg | ii libfontconfig1:amd64 lists just /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libfontconfig.so.1.5.0 3.8-1.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 16:34.34 | tremon | Bombo: ah, you didn't install libfontconfig1-dev:i386? |
| 16:34.43 | Bombo | (but the .so is there) |
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| 16:35.12 | Bombo | tremon: not yet, ok the links are in the -dev? |
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| 16:35.40 | tremon | Bombo: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/i386/libfontconfig1-dev/filelist |
| 16:35.47 | tremon | can't tell if it's a link or a file |
| 16:35.58 | Bombo | apt-get install libfontconfig1-dev:i386 libfreetype6-dev:i386 pkg-config:i386 |
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| 16:36.12 | Bombo | The following packages will be REMOVED: build-essential g++ gcc gcc-multilib |
| 16:36.13 | Bombo | etc |
| 16:36.25 | Bombo | too many removes |
| 16:36.39 | tremon | ElDiabolo: don't have exim listen on both 0.0.0.0 and ::, they're the same address |
| 16:37.12 | tremon | Bombo:argh. apparently pkg-config isn't multi-arch: foreign |
| 16:37.27 | Bombo | why the does it want to remove gcc? |
| 16:38.11 | Bombo | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libfontconfig1-dev:i386 : Depends: pkg-config:i386 but it is not going to be installed |
| 16:38.28 | Bombo | i'm in dependency hell |
| 16:38.42 | tremon | I'm guessing that gcc-multilib somehow depends on the 64-bit version of pkg-config, and the 32-bit and 64-bit packages can't be installed simultaneously it seems |
| 16:39.29 | tremon | I have no solution for that. There is a #debian-toolchain channel on irc.oftc.net, you can try asking there how this is supposed to work |
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| 16:40.39 | Bombo | ok thx |
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| 16:41.10 | tremon | in the meantime, if your current solution produces working executables, I'd say go with it |
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| 16:42.58 | Bombo | need some more fixes, trying to compile wine current |
| 16:43.04 | TJ- | Bombo: there's a great discussion and explanation of the multiarch library issues at https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/LibraryPathOverview |
| 16:43.29 | TJ- | Bombo: You could avoid this by creating a 32-bit chroot and building in it |
| 16:44.31 | Bombo | TJ-: ah, thx, thats a good idea too |
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| 16:49.43 | zubir | yioo |
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| 16:53.06 | Bombo | /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu$ find -type f -iname '*.so.*'|while read lib; do ln -s $lib ${lib/.so.*/.so};done |
| 16:53.09 | Bombo | ;) |
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| 16:53.56 | Bombo | let's see if wine configure eats that |
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| 16:55.01 | autrilla | Could anyone that uses ATI propietary drivers please stand up¿ |
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| 16:57.41 | em | I heard that Debian no longer does the super old packages anymore, is that true? Debian Stable updates a little more regularly now? Maybe once every 6 months? |
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| 16:58.26 | Brigo | em, no, but it has backports |
| 16:58.55 | Brigo | em it is the right way to get new software running in a stable system |
| 16:59.10 | tilt | no :) stable == stable |
| 16:59.43 | em | I would love to see debian get slightly fresh packages a little more often. |
| 17:00.04 | em | I like debian on the whole and i love dpkg and I dont need new packages like every week, but just a bit more often. |
| 17:00.05 | Brigo | em for example? |
| 17:00.12 | teraflop | I wouldnt |
| 17:00.16 | teraflop | use sid |
| 17:00.25 | tilt | teraflop: for production? |
| 17:00.29 | tilt | good luck with that :D |
| 17:00.37 | teraflop | dor production use stable |
| 17:00.41 | teraflop | s/for |
| 17:00.46 | tilt | current status: 1468 updates |
| 17:00.54 | tilt | haha, problem solved |
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| 17:10.54 | Maniqui | hi. a bit offtopic: anyone knows how to get voice in #radeon? |
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| 17:14.52 | jimmt | getting this trying to do apt-get update |
| 17:14.53 | jimmt | Could not resolve 'ftp.egr.msu.edu' |
| 17:15.08 | jimmt | do I need to get a new apt sources list manually or something |
| 17:16.36 | UploadDownload | Ping request could not find host ftp.egr.msu.edu. Please check the name and try |
| 17:16.36 | UploadDownload | again. |
| 17:16.39 | UploadDownload | Jikan: Yes |
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| 17:16.59 | ompaul | !tell jimmt about sources.list |
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| 17:17.18 | ompaul | jimmt: that box name does not resolve |
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| 17:17.44 | UploadDownload | jimmt: edit /etc/apt/sources.list with new ones :) |
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| 17:18.49 | jimmt | I'm putting the ones from the wiki page there instead |
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| 17:23.13 | jimmt | dpkg: error: --configure needs a valid package name but 'libc6' is not: ambiguous package name 'libc6' with more than one installed instance |
| 17:23.14 | dpkg | that's too long, jimmt |
| 17:23.22 | jimmt | I guess I'm probably supposed to remove one of the instances |
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| 17:23.46 | jimmt | apt-get remove libc6 doesn't sound like a good idea though |
| 17:24.36 | tremon | jimmt: try dpkg --configure libc6:amd64 |
| 17:25.01 | tremon | (or i386, or whatever your architecture is) |
| 17:25.30 | jimmt | thanks |
| 17:27.10 | somiaj | dpkg --configure -a is also useful (configures all non-configured packages) |
| 17:27.10 | dpkg | somiaj: what are you talking about? |
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| 17:28.46 | tremon | I tend not to use that one. I tend to confuse it with dpkg-reconfigure -a, in which case -a means "all installed packages" :) |
| 17:29.02 | tremon | although it's longer, I prefer dpkg --configure --pending |
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| 17:33.41 | somiaj | tremon: dpkg-reconfigure -a no longer works, it was removed due to it was a feature that only seemed to find bugs in other packages. (: |
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| 17:54.47 | jhj | i installed jdk8 with java-package/make-jpkg and it's working fine... but when i go to install maven, apt-get wants to pull in openjdk and a ton of extra crap. what should i do? just install maven separately? |
| 17:55.26 | somiaj | jhj: check the depends of maven, does it depend on some java meta package that has a version attached to it? |
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| 17:57.04 | heurist | jhj: you installed jdk8 from apt? |
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| 17:57.52 | somiaj | no he created a package, I'm looking at the maven depends, looks like it depends on default-jre which his java package is not proviiding |
| 17:58.28 | heurist | ha, then that package will need to "provide" the things maven depends on. |
| 17:58.28 | jhj | yes i am able to see that now with dpkg -p on the deb... had to google for it |
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| 17:58.50 | jhj | it provides javaX-runtime which should be superset of jre... |
| 17:59.40 | somiaj | whihc one, the maven depends exlicity depend on java5-runtime |
| 17:59.48 | jhj | heurist: i installed it by downloading the tar.gz from oracle and using the java-package package (from apt) to create a deb, which i installed manually with dpkg |
| 18:00.24 | heurist | jhj: it is just that maven from apt thinks it needs other stuff. |
| 18:00.33 | jhj | somiaj: ohhh maven depends on 5, deb provides 6, 7, or 8 |
| 18:01.05 | somiaj | so you'll have to change the depends of either maven or what the package provides |
| 18:01.10 | somiaj | you might be able to fool it by using equivs |
| 18:01.31 | jhj | oh screw it i will just install it in opt from apache |
| 18:01.33 | heurist | isn't the debian maven a bit old anyway? |
| 18:01.42 | panthersh | Hi everyone. I'm trying to install fglrx-driver, but I have an error telling me "you have held broken packages". I don't see any broken packages though: http://paste.debian.net/110533/ |
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| 18:02.17 | panthersh | I also says that it depends on xorg-video-abi-6 -> xorg-video-abi-15 but I only have xorg-video-abi-18 available. |
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| 18:03.16 | panthersh | Even though https://packages.debian.org/sid/xorg-video-abi-15 should be available in sid. I don't get it. |
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| 18:03.22 | panthersh | https://packages.debian.org/sid/xorg-video-abi-18 too. |
| 18:03.22 | jmcnaught | panthersh: proprietary graphics drivers are not available in Jessie right now. xorg was recently updated and fglrx isn't compatible. For now you could use radeon |
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| 18:03.56 | jmcnaught | we need a factoid for this or something |
| 18:04.18 | panthersh | jmcnaught: ah I see. That's unfortunate. :| |
| 18:04.30 | panthersh | jmcnaught: I suppose sid won't help either? |
| 18:04.43 | JyZyXEL | can i somehow check how many sectors my SSD currently has that are trimmed? |
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| 18:05.07 | somiaj | it is an xorg issue, downgrade xorg, use free drivers or wait untill the non-free drivers catch up |
| 18:05.20 | jmcnaught | panthersh: it's part of the price of using an unfinished development release. I don't know if it's been fixed in sid yet. My advice is just use radeon for now |
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| 18:06.42 | panthersh | Unfortunately it seems I'm unable to use armagetronad with the free drivers. That's the only thing that makes vrms mad on my laptop. |
| 18:06.50 | panthersh | Well thank you for the advices. |
| 18:07.32 | panthersh | Oh one last thing, X wouldn't start (obviously), so I just removed xorg.conf and X started again. I assume I'm using the radeon/free driver? |
| 18:07.39 | somiaj | panthersh: in the future don't run testing if you dont want development issues to break your machine. (: |
| 18:08.31 | somiaj | or install apt-listbugs |
| 18:08.42 | panthersh | somiaj: I've been running testing for 10+ years. Sometimes it breaks, but that's a price I'm willing to pay. :) |
| 18:09.06 | jmcnaught | panthersh: it's possible the radeon module is still blacklisted from fglrx having been installed before |
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| 18:09.28 | jmcnaught | panthersh: oh sorry.. i misread, X *is* starting for you now :) |
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| 18:09.34 | somiaj | panthersh: then one would assume you know how to check bugreports by now, this is an issue that happens about once ever release or so. (: |
| 18:09.34 | Quantum` | Something is hammering away trying to get out port 25. |
| 18:09.46 | Quantum` | [176552.832222] Shorewall:fw-net:DROP:IN= OUT=wlan0 SRC=192.168.111.1 DST=141.0.173.173 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=50047 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=36882 DPT=25 WINDOW=29200 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 |
| 18:10.00 | panthersh | jmcnaught: yeah :) |
| 18:10.01 | Quantum` | I don't use 25 or 110. I use SSL. |
| 18:10.16 | Quantum` | ... and TORified at that... |
| 18:10.30 | panthersh | somiaj: oh yeah apt-listbugs, I had that installed a while ago. I totally forgot about that. Thanks! |
| 18:10.37 | Quantum` | How do I find out what kind of trojan this is? |
| 18:11.36 | rasc | Quantum: stop this system and do it post-mortem |
| 18:12.49 | Quantum` | rasc: I suspect it's a drive-by hostile javascript, in which case it's erased from mem if I shut down. |
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| 18:13.59 | heurist | Quantum`: missed most of the discussion, but have you tried tcpdump and netstat -nlp? |
| 18:15.44 | Quantum` | heurist: Haven't tried tcpdump as there's so much junk to sort through. netstat -nlp insists on monitoring eth0, when it's wlan0 in question, and no way to change that. |
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| 18:16.46 | heurist | Quantum`: netstat does not monitor things, just gives a listing of that is happening now. |
| 18:17.15 | Quantum` | Well it's only listening on eth0, which it even states is down. |
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| 18:18.11 | heurist | Quantum`: try netstat -np maybe |
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| 18:18.40 | Quantum` | Same. interface: eth0 (not running) |
| 18:18.40 | Quantum` | pps |
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| 18:33.53 | tomte | hi there |
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| 18:35.03 | tomte | when I installed debian a while back, I had the option to choose between a targeted and a universal kernel |
| 18:35.38 | tomte | I chose the universal kernel just to get the install done quick and easy. |
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| 18:35.47 | somiaj | tomte: I belive that determines how many modules are packaged into the initrd image |
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| 18:36.19 | tomte | Is there any easy (installer like) way to package the targeted kernel later on? |
| 18:36.24 | somiaj | tomte: if it doesn't hurt your system to have a larger initrd image to boot from, it should have little effect. I would expect most modern systems this to be the case (embeded systems may be a different story) |
| 18:36.30 | SynrGy | i don't recall any such option using the normal (non expert) install |
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| 18:36.59 | somiaj | yes, modify how your initrd image is made, maybe just dpkg-reconfigure the correct package. Though I wouldn't know what it is |
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| 18:37.08 | somiaj | SynrGy: I vagually rember such an option with the initrd image in expert mode |
| 18:37.21 | tomte | yes, I used the expert mode |
| 18:37.35 | SynrGy | see /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
| 18:38.11 | SynrGy | grep MODULES= /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
| 18:38.17 | tomte | you are right, it might not have a big impact on my system, it's more out of curiosity and some learning curve... |
| 18:38.24 | SynrGy | and as somiaj hints, probably dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools |
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| 18:39.05 | tomte | SynrGy: MODULES=most |
| 18:39.10 | SynrGy | yep |
| 18:39.15 | SynrGy | that's the default |
| 18:39.28 | SynrGy | generally you don't want to change this |
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| 18:39.45 | SynrGy | if you do, you risk making a bare metal recovery from backup harder if you need to restore to different hardware. |
| 18:39.50 | somiaj | if you list only the modules you want it will be targeted, but if you don't have a module you need in that list you won't boot. |
| 18:40.12 | SynrGy | hence, an 'expert' option |
| 18:40.18 | SynrGy | don't use it unless you absolutely know what you're doing |
| 18:40.50 | somiaj | or like to break things, just as sid he is good at that. (: |
| 18:40.55 | SynrGy | :) |
| 18:41.39 | tomte | I like to break things so I can fix them and learn |
| 18:41.48 | debguy | Hello fellow Debian folks. I have problems with upgrading from 'stable' to 'testing'. Shall I ask here, or would someone be so kind to invite me to #debian-next? |
| 18:42.01 | SynrGy | very well. but understand what the risks are here. |
| 18:42.13 | jmcnaught | debguy: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net (not freenode) |
| 18:42.14 | SynrGy | no point in needlessly breaking things if there's no actual benefit |
| 18:42.35 | jmcnaught | debguy: Jessie is a little rocky right now though from what i understand |
| 18:42.38 | debguy | jmcnaught: Oh, that's an explanation. Thank you! |
| 18:42.40 | SynrGy | irc.oftc.net = irc.debian.org ... the official network for debian channels |
| 18:42.42 | tomte | SynrGy: I do understand the risks - no data on this machine, it's really curiosity and learning |
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| 18:42.53 | somiaj | debguy: #debian-next is on another network, irc.oftc.net. You will get better help there, but can ask your question here. What breaks during the upgrade. If it is non-free video drivers, they are all broken at the moment. |
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| 18:43.35 | SynrGy | tomte: there is a cost to the support community if you bother them with things you break due to imprudent choices. i just wanted you to be forewarned is all :) |
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| 18:44.13 | SynrGy | yep, have a look at: |
| 18:44.15 | SynrGy | !debian weather |
| 18:44.17 | dpkg | https://qa.debian.org/dose/ |
| 18:44.18 | rasc | tomte: If it breaks, you get to keep both pieces :) |
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| 18:44.52 | SynrGy | wait until that clears up |
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| 18:45.21 | tomte | rasc: thank you! |
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| 18:46.45 | debguy | Well, as I am here already :-) I used the tutorial on debian wiki, which suggests "dpkg --get-selections" and "--set-selections". I did "aptitude update" in between. Now, with "dist-upgrade", I have a lot of unmet dependencies, and basically everything is to be uninstalled, like dolphin, kde, xserver-stuff. This can't be right! |
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| 18:47.47 | debguy | Is https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStability suggesting a sane way to go from "stable" to "testing"? |
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| 18:50.14 | tomte | SynrGy: I might be able to give back to the community at other places. But I also do know that the debian community is more a "rtfm yourself" community, so I don't expect a lot. |
| 18:50.26 | rasc | debguy: it's just tradition to apt to suggest unistalling half of your system |
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| 18:51.05 | rasc | tomte: we are not arch |
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| 18:51.28 | dansan | Hey guys. What package do I need to install to retrieve files via MTP off of an android phone? |
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| 18:51.36 | dansan | curses google for using MTP!$#(*& |
| 18:51.40 | SynrGy | tomte: well, i prefer to think of it more as 'teach to fish, not give a fish ...' |
| 18:51.43 | debguy | rasc: Well, in earlier times I carelessly said "yep, do that, you know the best!", and was left with a (for my knowledge) dead system.. |
| 18:51.49 | heurist | sane goodl luck. |
| 18:51.55 | dansan | a fuse mtp driver would be nice, but I'll take what I can get |
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| 18:52.37 | dansan | hmm, mtp-tools? |
| 18:52.43 | heurist | dansan: jmptfs was the best result I got, not very good though. |
| 18:52.58 | dansan | heurist: thank you for the response |
| 18:53.10 | dansan | heurist: I do not like mtp :( |
| 18:53.24 | heurist | dansan: no one likes mtp. |
| 18:53.30 | dansan | :( |
| 18:53.33 | rasc | ,v mtpfs |
| 18:53.35 | judd | Package: mtpfs on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9-3; sid: 1.1-5 |
| 18:53.53 | dansan | I will celebrate the day when we can have *real* open & free software on our phones! |
| 18:53.57 | dansan | rasc: ty |
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| 18:53.58 | SynrGy | that's normally not a good sign |
| 18:54.20 | SynrGy | when you see that, read the RC bugs against the sid version & reason for removal |
| 18:54.22 | dansan | hmm, no jmptfs or mtpfs package... |
| 18:54.33 | dansan | this is x86_64 |
| 18:54.52 | heurist | dansan: backports |
| 18:54.55 | rasc | judd told us it was taken out of testing |
| 18:55.06 | rasc | are you in stable or testing? |
| 18:55.13 | dansan | heurist: ty, so I need to add "backports" to my deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free? |
| 18:55.16 | dansan | oh, wheezy |
| 18:55.18 | tomte | SynrGy: might be the right way to think about it - but I hate fishing, it is too random. |
| 18:55.19 | rasc | heurist: no backports either, see above |
| 18:55.38 | SynrGy | tomte: not if you learn where to look |
| 18:55.39 | dansan | ahh, i see |
| 18:56.07 | heurist | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/jmtpfs |
| 18:56.19 | SynrGy | tomte: so, regarding your issue, and rtfm ... you know many .conf files have man pages too? see man initramfs.conf |
| 18:56.22 | dansan | heurist: ty :) |
| 18:56.26 | dioz | anyone have a good pgp tutorial for someone looking to use it properly? |
| 18:56.28 | dioz | i read the rfc |
| 18:56.37 | dioz | "properly" |
| 18:56.37 | SynrGy | tomte: then read the meanings of the various values it can take |
| 18:56.44 | dansan | I hate when I get RTFM-ed and they are right |
| 18:56.51 | rasc | .v jmtpfs |
| 18:56.58 | rasc | ,v jmtpfs |
| 18:56.59 | judd | Package: jmtpfs on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 0.5-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.5-2; sid: 0.5-2 |
| 18:57.00 | heurist | dioz: the gnupg page has some stuff that was not bad, google too. |
| 18:57.38 | rasc | dansan: try jmtpfs from backports, do you know how to do that? |
| 18:57.50 | dansan | rasc: Add "wheezy-backports"? |
| 18:58.18 | rasc | then you do apt-get -t wheezy-backports install jmtpfs |
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| 18:58.41 | dansan | rasc: to my /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy wheezy-backports main contrib non-free? |
| 18:58.52 | dansan | rasc: cool, ty |
| 18:59.10 | rasc | dansan: use two lines |
| 18:59.27 | dansan | rasc: oooh, good to know |
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| 18:59.38 | rasc | one for wheezy, other for wheezy backports |
| 19:00.02 | dansan | rasc: should I do the same for my contrib and non-free? |
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| 19:00.22 | rasc | no, one line gets all of them |
| 19:00.36 | dansan | rasc: I think that the only non-free is her nvidia driver (my wife's computer) |
| 19:01.01 | dansan | I run Gentoo on my computer, but I've only had one occasion in my life thus far where I felt it was fair to actually reccomend it to somebody ;) |
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| 19:06.27 | tomte | dansan: there was a time when gentoo was the way to go to get a working amd64/64bit system |
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| 19:06.40 | dansan | tomte: oh yeah, that's right, I remember that :) |
| 19:07.18 | tomte | dansan: that basically got me into Linux... |
| 19:07.25 | dansan | tomte: I hope that one day soon, Debian can have a USE-flag-like mechanism for those who wish to be more picky |
| 19:07.57 | dansan | but I have to say, it's been a maintenance nightmare for me thus far |
| 19:08.17 | rasc | debian has been? |
| 19:08.22 | dansan | Gentoo |
| 19:08.25 | dansan | But I'm addicted |
| 19:08.28 | dansan | :( |
| 19:08.36 | dansan | debian is easy :) |
| 19:09.05 | rasc | dansan: you can compile things locally with different options, it's just not a expansive as gentoo |
| 19:09.41 | tomte | dansan: use flags are not necessary for mainstream users, but compile times get shorter so it might be more attractive... |
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| 19:09.48 | dansan | rasc: I did work a few tutorials on this at one point, building my own .deb packages and such |
| 19:10.06 | tomte | I still remember compiling openoffice on a 400mhz cpu... |
| 19:10.20 | rasc | you can pull the source debs and tell the utilities to compile them automatically |
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| 19:10.41 | dansan | tomte: yeah, because maintainers can determine the configuration options of building a package that are suited for a mass audience, as opposed to those that are experimental, insecure, etc. |
| 19:10.42 | rasc | all debs have automatic compiling |
| 19:11.01 | dansan | tomte: OMG! never! |
| 19:11.18 | dansan | rasc: Do you happen to have a link on how to do that? |
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| 19:12.15 | rasc | dpkg: tell dansan -aboute source |
| 19:12.28 | rasc | dpkg: tell dansan -about source |
| 19:12.31 | mze1 | why no secure boot |
| 19:12.40 | dansan | thankee! |
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| 19:13.57 | SynrGy | dansan: recognizing you have an addition is the first step to freedom from it ;) |
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| 19:15.32 | tomte | dpkg: tell tomte -about source |
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| 19:16.02 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell tomte -about selftell |
| 19:16.04 | format_c | tomte, you remember compiling because it's still compiling :-D |
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| 19:16.06 | rasc | !selftell |
| 19:16.06 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 19:16.17 | dansan | SynrGy: oh, an addiction? lol! |
| 19:17.14 | dansan | SynrGy: yeah, well we'll see if it gets better after the multilib changes stabilize |
| 19:17.19 | SynrGy | you should honestly ask yourself the question if the perceived benefits have truly been worth the 'maintenance nightmare' |
| 19:17.19 | ksdncv | is the seemly useless busybox included in initrd even useful for anything at all? for some reason after reboot the kernel refuses to mount root and goes into that "busybox", which cant mount / but can wc -l its partition (not even hexdump nor less), no network, nothing, not even use usb keyboard even though hid appears as detected in dmesg |
| 19:17.40 | tomte | format_c: I think it was something like 36h |
| 19:17.54 | dansan | OK, so I still can't find either jmptfs or mptfs. This is my sources.list now: http://bpaste.net/show/Cu5PdMXTueAQfxzRgA2P/ |
| 19:18.00 | dansan | do I just need to download the .deb file? |
| 19:18.05 | ksdncv | trying to find a way to download and bring a new kernel image into this system, but with that excessively reduced busybox am out of ideas |
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| 19:18.43 | rasc | ksdncv: use the rescue mode of the installer |
| 19:18.45 | heurist | dansan: no, if you have backports set up corretly then you should find it. |
| 19:18.58 | dansan | heurist: ok, let me try again .. |
| 19:18.59 | ksdncv | thats funny, it doesnt have any if* commands, yet does include wget |
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| 19:19.35 | SynrGy | dansan: unless you forgot to 'apt-get update' |
| 19:19.44 | ksdncv | rasc the server doesnt have a cdrom drive nor have a cdrom writer anymore, and dont think a debian potato or sarge cdrom would be of much use nowdays |
| 19:19.49 | rasc | dansan: remember apt-get -t wheezy-backports install ... |
| 19:19.50 | dansan | SynGy: did that... |
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| 19:19.59 | SynrGy | dansan: and what rasc said |
| 19:19.59 | dansan | rasc: ah hah!!! |
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| 19:20.10 | dansan | Didn't know that part, thanks!! |
| 19:20.15 | ksdncv | cant even boot the older kernel because init "needs" a newer one |
| 19:20.22 | SynrGy | but with a package name that is unique, i did not think the target was necessary |
| 19:20.39 | SynrGy | (i.e. is present only in wheezy-backports) |
| 19:20.43 | ksdncv | checks version, complains "kernel too old" exactly 0.0.1 versions too old, and dies panicking |
| 19:20.47 | jmcnaught | unless it has additional dependencies it needs from backports as well |
| 19:21.01 | dansan | YES!! |
| 19:21.03 | rasc | like fuse |
| 19:21.03 | SynrGy | jmcnaught: but he said he couldn't find it. not that there were dependency errors installing it |
| 19:21.12 | dansan | insert "success baby" meme here |
| 19:21.14 | SynrGy | unless he inaccurately represented his problem |
| 19:21.44 | dansan | yes, correct, w/o the "-t wheezy-backports", I got "E: Unable to locate package jmptfs" |
| 19:21.56 | rasc | if you use aptitude, it will show you, apt-get has problems with more than one target |
| 19:22.06 | dansan | rasc: oh yeah.... a gui... |
| 19:22.12 | SynrGy | dansan: typo? |
| 19:22.21 | dansan | SynGy: nope |
| 19:22.28 | heurist | dansan: aptitude is not a gui, it HAS a gui but is also a cli |
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| 19:22.43 | SynrGy | dansan: jmtpfs .. |
| 19:22.45 | dansan | heurist: oh :) |
| 19:22.47 | SynrGy | dansan: not jmptfs |
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| 19:23.06 | SynrGy | dansan: and re typoing my nick ... not a good sign ;) |
| 19:23.14 | SynrGy | dansan: use tab-completion for that, by the way |
| 19:23.15 | dansan | SynGy whew, I was getting scared |
| 19:23.38 | dansan | SynGy I thought that maybe there was a subtle difference in the way you typed it, like the emotion or intention as you hit the keys |
| 19:23.46 | dansan | http://bpaste.net/show/eyUJRX8phwn0DtRT8Ar3/ |
| 19:24.10 | dansan | oh crap... |
| 19:24.41 | dansan | SynrGy: sorry, it's because my blasted konversation is all screwed up :( :( If I want to copy & paste, I get this nasty 600 ms delay |
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| 19:25.11 | dansan | I dunno what went wrong with my last upgrade, but I've disabled debugging in all of qt (as in enabling assertions & such) |
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| 19:25.47 | rasc | ksdncv: what version are you trying to use? |
| 19:25.51 | SynrGy | dansan: are we on the same page now? the name of the package is 'jmtpfs', not 'jmptfs' as shown in your paste. |
| 19:25.58 | dansan | it makes typing really hard, if I have a typo and I hit a certain number of backspaces I don't always get to see that for some time, so I either wait forever or just keep tying only to find out later that my number of backspaces was wrong and I still ahve a typo |
| 19:26.20 | dansan | SynrGy: uugh, I see |
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| 19:26.49 | dansan | SynrGy: My brain is thinking "oh cute! it's like a wierd conditional jump instruction nmemonic" |
| 19:27.04 | dansan | *mnemonic |
| 19:27.08 | SynrGy | and weird |
| 19:27.13 | dansan | dislexia I guess |
| 19:27.30 | SynrGy | transposition errors are some of the most common to plague typists |
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| 19:27.34 | dansan | yeah, "jump on tea in your file system"... I dunno |
| 19:27.48 | SynrGy | no worries |
| 19:28.24 | dansan | I really need to solve this Konversation problem though, I use irc a lot and it's really bothersome |
| 19:28.45 | Walex | is there some important difference between 'mtpfs' and 'jmtpfs'? |
| 19:28.52 | SynrGy | dansan: out of curiosity, do you use virtualbox? |
| 19:28.59 | dansan | Oh yeah, and I built most of my system with gcc 4.8.3 and -flto enabled (the *experimental* optimization flag) |
| 19:29.05 | rasc | mtpfs seens unmainteined |
| 19:29.09 | SynrGy | i've found vb can seriously break the cut-and-paste pipeline |
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| 19:29.18 | ksdncv | rasc sorry was on the phone, 2.6.32 which used to boot fine, for some unknown reason is dead after last reboot |
| 19:29.19 | SynrGy | vbox, even |
| 19:29.23 | dansan | uhh, not lately. I think I used it when trying to debug a crappy kernel patch I made :) |
| 19:29.35 | SynrGy | k. no ideas about that, then. |
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| 19:29.46 | dansan | SynrGy: no, I'm thinking of qemu, sorry |
| 19:29.59 | SynrGy | a paste manager interfering? klipper maybe? |
| 19:30.09 | dansan | oooohhhhhh |
| 19:30.09 | rasc | ,v linux-image |
| 19:30.10 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in i386. |
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| 19:30.31 | SynrGy | ,kernels |
| 19:30.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.15-trunk-686-pae (3.15.5-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.12-1); jessie: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.12-1); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.12-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 19:30.34 | dansan | SynrGy: just killed it , let's find out |
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| 19:30.36 | rasc | ,v linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 19:30.37 | judd | Package: linux-image-2.6-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46 |
| 19:31.01 | SynrGy | rasc: why do you want to know about that? it's a transitional metapackage only |
| 19:31.40 | rasc | SynrGy: tanks for that, i was trying to figure out how to find avaiable kernels |
| 19:31.47 | dansan | How long will 2.6.32 be supported for? |
| 19:31.52 | SynrGy | rasc: also you can query judd bot |
| 19:32.08 | SynrGy | dansan: since squeeze now has LTS, for a while longer |
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| 19:32.23 | dansan | doesn't know what LTS is |
| 19:32.29 | SynrGy | long term support |
| 19:32.33 | dansan | ahh, cool! |
| 19:32.45 | SynrGy | !tell dansan about lts |
| 19:32.47 | dansan | There's a bug in 2.6.32.63 that I haven't reported yet :( |
| 19:32.56 | ksdncv | wow, unbelivably useless busybox cant mount usb drives either |
| 19:33.11 | dansan | It's just a patch backport mismatch |
| 19:33.29 | dansan | ksdncv: I think that's about rather or not you have the drivers |
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| 19:33.41 | ksdncv | so guess i'll have to take the hard drive somewher and cdebootstrap a working up to date install |
| 19:33.59 | ksdncv | 2 rebots ago it had all the drivers |
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| 19:34.16 | ksdncv | didnt update any driver related package since then, now doesnt |
| 19:34.26 | ksdncv | doesnt make any sense, but result is system doesnt boot anymore |
| 19:34.29 | dansan | hmmm |
| 19:34.32 | rasc | ksdncv: did you updated your kernel and removed the old one before testing the new one? |
| 19:34.40 | ksdncv | no, old one is there |
| 19:34.45 | ksdncv | but init crashes with it |
| 19:34.52 | ksdncv | so can't try to use old one either |
| 19:35.00 | ksdncv | it worked for a while with newer one tho |
| 19:35.01 | rasc | neither of them boot? |
| 19:35.04 | dansan | ksdncv: do "lsmod|grep usb" (without the quotes) and see if you see usb_storage |
| 19:35.21 | ksdncv | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:35.51 | ksdncv | found it, second key near backspace |
| 19:36.04 | ksdncv | modprobing it manually seems to work |
| 19:36.11 | ksdncv | its just not loading any modules automatically seems |
| 19:36.53 | dansan | ksdncv: there ya go. So I *think* that automatic loading of modules is either a kernel option (I seem to recall somewhere) or the job of your init (if using openrc) and don't ask me about systemd because I don't know |
| 19:37.31 | ksdncv | still doesnt anything after modprobing usb_storage, plugged usb drive, no messages in dmesg |
| 19:37.47 | dansan | eewww :( |
| 19:38.09 | dansan | hmm, it should have loaded any deps of usb_storage... |
| 19:38.31 | ksdncv | probably is missing host controller driver, whatever its name is |
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| 19:38.41 | dansan | oh yeah, that's the other one I was thinking of |
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| 19:38.46 | rasc | ksdncv: the initrd is very minimal, if you can't use it, try a more drastic aproach |
| 19:39.16 | dansan | ehci_hcd? |
| 19:39.25 | dansan | not sure |
| 19:39.42 | ksdncv | rasc one thing is minimal, and other including wget without ifconfig which was all that needed to try dl a proper busybox, exec it and try from there |
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| 19:40.48 | rasc | ksdncv: if you have a nfs root partition, the initrd will connect to the network and mount it, it is capable of that, but it seens you can't do it manually |
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| 19:41.22 | rasc | can you mount your root rw? |
| 19:42.11 | dansan | ksdncv: yeah, so ehci-hcd is the usb 2.0 host controller driver, ohci-hcd is usb 1.1 |
| 19:42.15 | ksdncv | thts one problem, there is /dev/sda1 can dump it, when try to mount it says no such device or directory |
| 19:42.33 | ksdncv | probably thats exactly the reason why it refuses to boot now |
| 19:42.44 | rasc | you're trying to mount it where? |
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| 19:43.14 | ksdncv | in /asd (newly mkdir'ed directory just to try check root partition) |
| 19:43.54 | rasc | paste the message you get for us |
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| 19:44.22 | ksdncv | mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /asd failed: no such file or directory |
| 19:44.35 | ksdncv | nothing on that in dmesg |
| 19:44.50 | ksdncv | also partition was cleanly shut down during last reboot |
| 19:45.26 | ksdncv | same partition that worked witht that kernel fine for months, but that without hexdump nor fdisk cant even try to check |
| 19:45.44 | rasc | the few times I tried to fix things with busybox i just gave up and went for the cd |
| 19:46.03 | ksdncv | whoever decided how to build that busybox must be a saw fan |
| 19:46.18 | ksdncv | really cant figure anything with it |
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| 19:46.57 | ksdncv | "your kernel is snafu, here you get a shell with the most important utilities missing" |
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| 19:47.19 | rasc | it's only necessary if you have a complicated setup, it's not really a rescue option |
| 19:48.13 | ksdncv | they could had just included a tiny program that paints the screen blue, puts some cryptic numbers and adds a last line "haaaa haaaaa now go reinstall" |
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| 19:48.45 | ksdncv | at least that would be funnier than this, seems i'll have to bring disk to another pc to try restore it |
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| 19:49.53 | ksdncv | and disassembling this pc is also a pain |
| 19:50.05 | rasc | ksdncv: next time just redo your kernel and go without it |
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| 19:50.55 | ksdncv | you mean compile own kernel and initrd instead of using prepackaged one ? |
| 19:51.48 | rasc | that's an option, but you canalso go without it |
| 19:52.36 | ksdncv | now need to remove half case to unscrew the disk cage to be able to unscrew the hard disk and identify which one might be the boot disk from all the raids there |
| 19:52.50 | ksdncv | that is going to be a funny day today |
| 19:53.38 | rasc | if you have software raid and/or lvm you need the initrd to boot, that is its function, not repair |
| 19:54.32 | ksdncv | rest of disks are raid, boot one is single dedicated to that task only (and swap) |
| 19:54.59 | ksdncv | hopefully at least all this rebooting with the useless busybox didnt trigger that new mdadm bug that wipes raid metadata |
| 19:55.18 | ksdncv | to make things even better 2.6.32 might have that bug too |
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| 19:59.26 | ksdncv | sometimes am wondering why even am still using debian, lately it is all trouble, totally different as it was some years ago, old frankendebian pc had before worked nicely (and would had been working if didnt replace whole disk for a larger one), but those that have with new packages of same release are all trouble |
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| 20:00.12 | SynrGy | sure. it's all shyte. i don't know why any of us use it. we must be mad. |
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| 20:01.30 | ksdncv | its not all that is going worse, but certain packages of big importance did |
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| 20:01.50 | TJ- | ksdncv: If you're attempting to mount /dev/sda1 .... do you know that is actually a mountable file-system? If devices were discovered in a different order to normal, then sda could be one of those RAID array members you spoke of. Try "cat /proc/partitions" "cat /proc/mounts" "cat /proc/mdstat" and "dmsetup ls" |
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| 20:02.18 | day | does a program exist that lets me start multiple terminal sessions within one? + swithcing via hotkeys? |
| 20:02.27 | ksdncv | not long ago to update libc for something it asked me to rm /lib/libc6.so.6 before allowing to install it, which resulted in having to modify package to remove preinstall script |
| 20:02.36 | rasc | day: tmux |
| 20:02.45 | day | rasc: :o thanks |
| 20:02.50 | ksdncv | TJ- checked it on cat /proc/partitions, correct size |
| 20:03.00 | ksdncv | just cant check actualy bytes contents, but at least partition seems the correct one |
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| 20:03.22 | TJ- | ksdncv: is the sysfs mounted at this point? |
| 20:03.34 | f-a | There is an application which keeps creating a ~/Desktop folder in my ~/ .I don't have a DE, so I don't want a ~/Desktop folder. Is there a way to pinpoint the application who is guilty of this? |
| 20:03.49 | ksdncv | was mounted, yes, system is off atm and am disassembling it |
| 20:04.12 | ksdncv | much easier to connect disk to this pc, cdebootstrap a new install, and start from there again |
| 20:04.24 | SynrGy | ksdncv: i don't recall any such issue (the libc6 one) with debian stable ... |
| 20:04.50 | ksdncv | can't remember which one was if this one with testing or the server one with stable |
| 20:05.00 | dansan | hmm, who is the jmtpfs maintainer? I need to report bug |
| 20:05.07 | dansan | and my grammar too, it's bad |
| 20:05.09 | SynrGy | if you run testing/unstable and it breaks occasionally, this is par for the course. |
| 20:05.13 | dansan | https://github.com/kiorky/jmtpfs/? |
| 20:05.26 | SynrGy | it is really intended for development purposes only, not as a system for end users. |
| 20:05.35 | ksdncv | well, the testing one is here, had some issues but none leaving system unbootable |
| 20:05.44 | ksdncv | the stable one is the one that stopped working today |
| 20:05.58 | rasc | https://github.com/JasonFerrara/jmtpfs |
| 20:06.03 | ksdncv | might actually even been oldstable, cant remember which version it had anymore |
| 20:06.08 | dansan | rasc: ty! |
| 20:06.09 | SynrGy | k. i was just commenting on your frustration with debian in general, not this specific issue. |
| 20:06.18 | ksdncv | whatever version had still 2.6.32 kernel |
| 20:06.27 | SynrGy | squeeze, yes. oldstable |
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| 20:07.00 | dansan | rasc: hmm, not very maintained, but oh well |
| 20:08.11 | ksdncv | going afk a bit while disassembling the disk cage, thanks for the help so far |
| 20:08.27 | day | tmux works like a charm :3 |
| 20:11.16 | dansan | hmm, how do I make a udev rule so that when my wife plugs in her phone it runs "jmtpfs -o allow_other -o auto_unmount -d /home/michele/Desktop/phone" |
| 20:11.18 | dansan | ? |
| 20:11.22 | dansan | or link? :) |
| 20:12.12 | dansan | hmm, i think I foudn it, sorry |
| 20:12.20 | dansan | being lazy I guess |
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| 20:27.10 | ian_mcxa | hello |
| 20:27.24 | dioz | bonjour |
| 20:27.33 | dansan | go away |
| 20:27.37 | dansan | err, I mean, uhhh |
| 20:27.47 | ian_mcxa | does anyone here know about xrandr |
| 20:27.52 | dansan | yes |
| 20:27.55 | dansan | what is your question? |
| 20:27.58 | dansan | is that your question? |
| 20:28.18 | ian_mcxa | So I'm trying to use the nouveaur driver and I've got one DVI monitor working but the hdmi doesn't work |
| 20:28.24 | ian_mcxa | it says input not supported |
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| 20:28.45 | dansan | :*( |
| 20:28.51 | dansan | I haven't used that driver |
| 20:28.52 | ian_mcxa | the command I use is xrandr --output DVI-I-1 --left-of HDMI-1 |
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| 20:29.44 | ian_mcxa | I just can't find any differences between the two monitors |
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| 20:29.51 | ian_mcxa | so I'm not sure why one works |
| 20:30.27 | rasc | run just xrandr and paste the result at http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 20:31.09 | ian_mcxa | http://paste.debian.net/110573/ |
| 20:31.14 | ian_mcxa | there |
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| 20:32.00 | Walex | ian_mcxa: they both work... |
| 20:32.13 | ian_mcxa | but I get input not supported on my HDMI-1 monitor |
| 20:32.27 | Walex | ian_mcxa: on the monitor itself? |
| 20:32.32 | ian_mcxa | Yeah |
| 20:32.45 | Walex | ian_mcxa: that's not an X problem, it is a monitor problem. |
| 20:33.01 | ian_mcxa | Could it be caused by some setting? Refresh rate maybe? |
| 20:33.16 | Walex | ian_mcxa: potentially, but unlikely |
| 20:33.19 | ian_mcxa | I mean it could just be that HDMI doesn't work with Nouveau |
| 20:33.29 | ian_mcxa | that would be my guess, but I really don't want that to be the case |
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| 20:33.57 | Walex | ian_mcxa: if the monitor is complaining about the input signal, that means it is receiving one |
| 20:34.12 | ian_mcxa | Yeah it's getting a signal, it just can't process it |
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| 20:34.43 | Walex | ian_mcxa: the signal it is getting is, according to 'xrandr', 1920x1080 at 60Hz, totally normal. |
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| 20:34.52 | ian_mcxa | That's what the monitor supports |
| 20:34.57 | rasc | you need 2 xrandr commands, one to set the hdmi and other to position it in relation to the other, don't know the order tough |
| 20:34.59 | Walex | ian_mcxa: have you considered swapping monitors on the two ports? |
| 20:35.21 | ian_mcxa | the issue there is that my other monitor doesn't have hdmi |
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| 20:35.23 | Walex | rasc: the issue is that the monitor says it cannot handle the video signal it is receiving. |
| 20:35.28 | ian_mcxa | I don't think |
| 20:35.29 | ian_mcxa | Yeah |
| 20:35.32 | ian_mcxa | that's correct |
| 20:35.35 | Walex | ian_mcxa: and what does the other monitor have? |
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| 20:36.05 | ian_mcxa | One has DVI and VGA the other has DVI VGA and HDMI |
| 20:36.18 | Walex | ian_mcxa: note that DVI and HDMI are lamost the same. |
| 20:36.26 | ian_mcxa | ugh |
| 20:36.32 | Walex | ian_mcxa: you can use a mechanical adaptor. |
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| 20:36.40 | Walex | ian_mcxa: also, try the second monitor with VGA. |
| 20:36.48 | ian_mcxa | I don't have any VGA outputs |
| 20:36.51 | ian_mcxa | or cables |
| 20:36.57 | Walex | ian_mcxa: also, try to check that the second monitor has input link autoselection. |
| 20:37.05 | ian_mcxa | It does |
| 20:37.36 | Walex | ian_mcxa: about half of all DVI outputs are DVI-I and that includes VGA, via another cheap mechanical adapter |
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| 20:38.12 | Walex | ian_mcxa: as an experiment, try to lower the resolution on the second monjtor. |
| 20:38.14 | ian_mcxa | Does anyone know if the Nvidia Propriatory Driver will be getting re added to Jessie any time soon? |
| 20:38.16 | ian_mcxa | okay |
| 20:38.39 | ksdncv | just remembered there was a package totally unrelated to booting but for some reason it re-generated the init image, which just thought it was strange but didnt bother about that since that program had nothing to do with booting anyways, so may be found the culprit that corrupted the initrd, just cant remember which package was |
| 20:38.41 | Walex | ian_mcxa: like: xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 1024x768 |
| 20:38.57 | ompaul | Is it Sunday already? |
| 20:39.12 | Walex | ompaul: depends where |
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| 20:39.25 | ompaul | Walex: I suppose that is always the day |
| 20:39.31 | ompaul | s/day/way/ |
| 20:39.45 | ksdncv | so lesson leartn: if a package that shouldnt touch initrd does rebuild it, restore initrd from backup and find whatever it was doing to initrd to stop the package from doing that again |
| 20:40.08 | Walex | ksdncv: you cannot assume that a package won't rebuild 'initrd' |
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| 20:40.17 | ian_mcxa | lower resolution doesn't help |
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| 20:43.20 | Walex | ian_mcxa: is "input not supported" the literal message? What is the model of the monitor? |
| 20:43.48 | Walex | ian_mcxa: have you tried to attach the second monitor as DVI? |
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| 20:44.45 | mechanicalduck_ | hi |
| 20:45.06 | mechanicalduck_ | I know, it is de-facto standard but can I somehow prevent in the preseed that exim4 is installed? |
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| 20:45.12 | mechanicalduck_ | I already use bare-minimum. |
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| 20:45.43 | ompaul | for nvidia note how to remove the offending nvidia https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755020 |
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| 20:45.53 | ompaul | ssh into the box if you have to |
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| 20:47.11 | Walex | mechanicalduck_: what forces you to use 'bare-minimum' as it is? |
| 20:47.36 | mechanicalduck_ | Walex: It still installs exim4 |
| 20:47.49 | Walex | mechanicalduck_: "it" being... |
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| 20:48.56 | mechanicalduck_ | the debian installer using unattended with a preseed. |
| 20:48.58 | ian_mcxa | sorry, Yeah I can try attaching the second monitor to DVI |
| 20:48.59 | ian_mcxa | hold on |
| 20:49.04 | jmcnaught | mechanicalduck_: use a different package that provides the mail-transport-agent virtual package. "aptitude search ~Pmail-transport-agent" will give you a list. You might want to use msmtp-mta or nullmailer if you don't want a daemon running |
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| 20:49.49 | mechanicalduck_ | ah |
| 20:49.54 | ian_mcxa | second monitor works with DVI |
| 20:49.58 | ian_mcxa | meaning there's something with the HDMI |
| 20:50.03 | ksdncv | brb, time to connect the disk to the pc |
| 20:50.11 | Walex | ian_mcxa: something weith HDMI on the monitor perhaps |
| 20:50.13 | mechanicalduck_ | So I just add nullmailer or similar to package list in preseed and this should prevent installing/replace exim4? |
| 20:51.16 | rasc | mechanicalduck_: can you try that? |
| 20:51.40 | mechanicalduck_ | yes |
| 20:51.43 | ompaul | !qotd186 |
| 20:51.43 | dpkg | well, qotd186 is <ompaul> Brigo: Xorg Mesa and Nvidia went to play in a field after compile time they all went home crying "I'm not your friend!" |
| 20:51.45 | mechanicalduck_ | Just wanted to be sure |
| 20:51.54 | ompaul | just so you know about nvidia |
| 20:52.35 | Walex | ian_mcxa: it is possible that the version of "nouveau" does not fully support the HDMI output of your card, and sets it up the wrong way. |
| 20:52.43 | dansan | hmm, so I added thsi to /etc/fstab and I can mount it as non-root, but not umount: jmtpfs /media/g2 fuse user,noauto,allow_other 0 0 |
| 20:52.54 | dansan | I get "umount: only root can unmount jmtpfs from /media/g2" |
| 20:52.58 | dansan | :( |
| 20:53.04 | Walex | ian_mcxa: but HDMI comes in many different variants, so it could be bad luck |
| 20:53.06 | dansan | fusermount -u works, but not umount :( |
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| 20:53.46 | Walex | dansan: is that a problem? |
| 20:54.02 | dansan | Walex: well, it is from the gnome perspective, the UI is calling umount and failing :( |
| 20:54.31 | Walex | dansan: then 'man 5 fstab' |
| 20:55.06 | dansan | Walex: any specific section? I have -o user set |
| 20:55.15 | Walex | dansan: 'users' vs. 'users' perhaps |
| 20:55.40 | dansan | user,noauto,allow_other |
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| 20:56.01 | ian_mcxa | ugh |
| 20:56.12 | ian_mcxa | I got the cables back in place |
| 20:56.18 | dansan | hmm, not sure if noauto is messing something up |
| 20:56.27 | ian_mcxa | what is noauto? |
| 20:56.36 | Walex | dansan: which version of Debian are you using? |
| 20:57.01 | dansan | wheezy, update about 2 or 3 months ago. And this is the jmtpfs driver (android phone) |
| 20:57.13 | ian_mcxa | Jessie |
| 20:57.14 | ksdncv | as expected, boot partition is fine, can mount it without problems here, it was just the initrd that got corrupted somehow |
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| 20:57.50 | dansan | Walex: the driver I grabbed off of wheezy-backports earlier today |
| 20:57.52 | ian_mcxa | The issue is that with the latest update nvidia-glx stopped working, so I'm having to go with nouveau |
| 20:57.57 | Walex | dansan: 'man 8 mount' the difference between 'user' and 'users' |
| 20:58.04 | dansan | Walex: ty! |
| 20:58.15 | Walex | dansan: that should not matter though |
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| 20:58.31 | ksdncv | would you recommend install using netinst cdrom and kvm or better stay with cdbootstrap? |
| 20:58.47 | ian_mcxa | netinst works pretty darn well if you've got a solid connection |
| 20:59.35 | ksdncv | ian_mcxa sorry if missed earlier log, you're having problems with getting nvidia driver working on 3.14 kernel? just had that on today here too when upgrading kernel |
| 20:59.54 | petern_ | ian_mcxa, this channel is for wheezy support |
| 20:59.58 | autrilla | I think my USB drive might have died. I formatted it to ntfs, one partition, and if I reinsert my device and run "sudo mount /dev/sdd/ /media/device" it mounts in read-only mode |
| 20:59.59 | dansan | Walex: oh, it does matter! |
| 21:00.03 | ksdncv | was actually simple with dkms (haven't yet booted to the new kernel tho, first have to fix other system not booting) |
| 21:00.04 | ian_mcxa | Is there a Jessie channel? |
| 21:00.08 | dansan | Walex: changed user to users and it works now |
| 21:00.10 | ian_mcxa | sorry I'm new to IRC |
| 21:00.14 | petern_ | #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:00.14 | autrilla | What could I try to revive it? |
| 21:00.31 | ian_mcxa | Well thanks for the help guys |
| 21:00.32 | dansan | Walex: Thanks for your help! Could this be a bug in the young jmtpfs driver? |
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| 21:00.40 | Walex | dansan: no. |
| 21:00.41 | markv | hi |
| 21:00.54 | petern_ | but yeah, there's an issue with it i hear, but if you're running these versions you should expect issues. |
| 21:01.00 | autrilla | Without this drive, I can't dual boot to Windows :/ |
| 21:01.10 | markv | I'd like my debian laptop to recognize a tap on the trackpad as a left click |
| 21:01.10 | Walex | autrilla: if your flash USB device has run out of write cycles, that is irreversible |
| 21:01.29 | autrilla | Walex: I don't think that's the issue, I wrote to it earlier today |
| 21:01.30 | Walex | autrilla: if the problem is simply that the filesystem is a bit damaged, 'fsck' or 'chkdsk' it. |
| 21:01.30 | dansan | Walex: Well, /dev/fuse belongs to root:fuse and I added her to the fuse group. |
| 21:01.33 | autrilla | And it's not that old... |
| 21:02.02 | dansan | Anyway, this is the /etc/fstab line now, and it's working: jmtpfs /media/g2 fuse rw,users,noauto 0 0 |
| 21:02.32 | autrilla | Walex: fsck: error 2 while executing fsck.udf for /dev/sde |
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| 21:02.35 | ksdncv | oh, this is funny, no wonder installing new kernel didnt show up on reboot, forgot i'm not using packaged grub and it has its own partition for menu file |
| 21:03.04 | dansan | Oh, does anybody know what moved /media to /var/run/<user>/media? That is, if I do I system upgrade at some point, will I need to move where I'm expecting things to be auto-mounted? |
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| 21:05.29 | dansan | Hurray, and I don't need a sloppy udev rule :) |
| 21:06.20 | rasc | dansan: I think that is a new freedesktop specification |
| 21:06.40 | dansan | rasc: ahh, ty |
| 21:06.59 | dansan | rasc: my gentoo system is like that now, but I didn't know which package was even responsible for it |
| 21:07.03 | scottj | Just dist-upgraded on unstable and now most of the boot messages are hidden. How do I change this? |
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| 21:08.35 | rasc | scottj: archwiki has something about it: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Disable_clearing_of_boot_messages |
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| 21:08.47 | mechanicalduck_ | Strange, although mentioned during installation, exim4 doesn't seem to be installed on the resulting system. |
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| 21:09.00 | scottj | rasc: thank you |
| 21:09.09 | autrilla | I should probably get a couple of these http://www.pccomponentes.com/kingston_datatraveler_100_g3_8gb_usb3_0.html and have Windows and Linux for emergencies |
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| 21:09.19 | mechanicalduck_ | I use `apt-get autoremove exim*` but no packages are installed. |
| 21:09.28 | jmcnaught | mechanicalduck_: "aptitude search ~i~nexim4" to see if there are any other exim4 packages |
| 21:09.28 | Dudytz | hi all ... is there any tool (a service, a daemon, ecc) to monitor if remote hosts are live? Via ping, or throught try to connect to a port ... I am searching to a in-house open source solution as alternative to the commercial PingDom service. |
| 21:09.44 | rasc | Dudytz: icinga |
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| 21:09.58 | Dudytz | wow, great, i am search for info |
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| 21:10.31 | dansan | Walex: Hey, before I forget about this, why do suspect I cannot umount when using -o user, but can with using -o users, even though it's the same non-root user doing both? |
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| 21:10.46 | Dudytz | but is a complete suite like nagios and zabbix ... is there a "lightweight" service? |
| 21:10.47 | liox_ | my vps /webmail broken |
| 21:10.56 | liox_ | plis help |
| 21:10.59 | rasc | Dudytz: smokeping |
| 21:11.02 | liox_ | see |
| 21:11.08 | liox_ | agenciazig.com.br/webmail |
| 21:11.21 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell liox_ about ask |
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| 21:11.44 | Dudytz | rasc: perfect! thank you very much! |
| 21:11.48 | rasc | np |
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| 21:12.06 | mechanicalduck_ | jmcnaught: no results. |
| 21:12.18 | mechanicalduck_ | jmcnaught: So it is really not installed then? |
| 21:12.35 | mechanicalduck_ | But one should have at least some kind of mailer installed on the system (like nullmailer), right? |
| 21:12.36 | liox_ | after a downgrade of apache and php vps broke my access to webmail |
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| 21:13.05 | jmcnaught | mechanicalduck_: i guess it's not there then. a standard debian install requires "mail-transport-agent" which is a virtual package that exim4, postfix, nullmailer and others provide |
| 21:13.17 | rasc | mechanicalduck_: services that run under cron or at expect to send messages by mail |
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| 21:14.28 | mechanicalduck_ | jmcnaught / rasc: How can I find out what mail-transport-agent is used on that Debian system? |
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| 21:15.06 | jmcnaught | liox_: downgrades are really not supported. please try and provide more details. which release of debian. downgraded which packages from which version to which version. were you using third-party repositories. are you getting errors in your logs that provide clues? |
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| 21:15.46 | jmcnaught | mechanicalduck_: aptitude search ~i~Pmail-transport-agent |
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| 21:18.57 | dansan | Alright, well I opened an issue to have him add the instructions to README.md: https://github.com/JasonFerrara/jmtpfs/issues/4 |
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| 21:23.11 | Walex | dansan: I suspect that your issue has nothing to do with 'jtmpfs' but with lack of familiarity with UNIX style permissionsa and/or FUSE seems more likely |
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| 21:23.47 | dansan | Walex: I'm not horribly familiar with fuse, only slightly. unix I'm fine with. |
| 21:25.41 | dansan | Walex: Perhaps fuse can't necessarily determine who mounted it? |
| 21:25.48 | Shadow_7 | always nice to have to umount fusectl before modprobe -r fuse after update-grub. |
| 21:26.11 | dansan | Walex: Anyway, when I solve a non-intuitive problem like this, I prefer to document it so that somebody else will have an easier time at solving it. |
| 21:26.26 | Shadow_7 | dansan: could be that the users isn't in the disk group? |
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| 21:26.52 | dansan | Shadow_7: really!? |
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| 21:27.10 | Shadow_7 | or whatever perms are on the /dev/ of the device |
| 21:28.05 | dansan | Shadow_7: well, it's one of those crappy mtp things, android. The only device node is /dev/fuse which belongs to root:fuse (and she's in fuse), but she is *not* in the disk group |
| 21:28.24 | dansan | cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev fuse scanner bluetooth netdev |
| 21:28.40 | dansan | hmm, no wheel either. Is that even used anymore? |
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| 21:29.54 | dansan | Shadow_7: do you know of a good reference to review common *nix groups and what they are for? |
| 21:30.57 | jmcnaught | dansan: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch12.en.html#s12.1.12 has a list of groups and what they're for |
| 21:30.59 | Shadow_7 | dansan: not really more of an app guy. /etc/group has the groups on the system. Everything else depends on what you're trying to access. |
| 21:31.41 | dansan | Shadow_7: gotcha. I'm familiar with /etc/groups, just not versed in what every single group is for |
| 21:31.47 | dansan | jmcnaught: ty |
| 21:32.09 | dansan | jmcnaught: oh, that's a good one |
| 21:32.55 | dansan | ewww, not sure I want to add her to disk: "disk: Raw access to disks. Mostly equivalent to root access" |
| 21:33.10 | dansan | cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda |
| 21:33.39 | dansan | yeah, that's not good :) |
| 21:33.53 | trampel | dansan: "Group List" on the bottom here is reasonably edifying: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/users_and_groups |
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| 21:34.38 | dansan | trampel: that's a pretty one, all nice and formatted :) thansk |
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| 21:36.11 | jmcnaught | trampel: dansan: that list might not be completely relevant to Debian. It doesn't mention staff and adm groups for example |
| 21:36.27 | dansan | makes sense |
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| 21:37.21 | trampel | jmcnaught: right you are. dansan(!) forget i mentioned it. |
| 21:37.33 | rasc | no lpadmin either |
| 21:37.58 | dansan | trampel: lol! no, I appreciate the reference. I use many different distros |
| 21:38.36 | jmcnaught | dansan: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/index.en.html also has information about groups but the list isn't as comprehensive as the one in the Securing Debian manual. The Reference is excellent though, full of great info |
| 21:39.19 | dansan | jmcnaught: ooh, shiny :) |
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| 21:40.44 | dansan | don't you hate when you usermod -g and forget the -a? |
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| 21:41.19 | jmcnaught | dansan: http://debian-handbook.info/ too if you haven't seen it. This one can be purchased which helps support the authors who are Debian Developers. All of these manuals can also be installed as packages on your system too :) |
| 21:45.00 | mechanicalduck_ | jmcnaught: used the command, no results |
| 21:45.02 | mechanicalduck_ | strange |
| 21:46.21 | jmcnaught | mechanicalduck_: maybe you don't have the standard task installed? |
| 21:46.30 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell mechanicalduck_ -about standard task |
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| 21:48.48 | Shadow_7 | dansan: There's a useradd method or adduser method of modifying groups that is supposedly preferred with debian. But I normally -g with a full group list to safety. |
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| 21:49.25 | paxcoder | is there a way to list of installed packages matching a name/description patter? |
| 21:49.43 | rasc | paxcoder: apropos |
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| 21:50.30 | jmcnaught | paxcoder: aptitude search has some pretty handy filters including "~i" for installed |
| 21:50.39 | paxcoder | jmcnaught: thanks |
| 21:50.49 | mechanicalduck_ | jmcnaught: right, no standard tasks, just bare minimum |
| 21:50.58 | mechanicalduck_ | jmcnaught: So the mailer is missing. I would have to pick one. |
| 21:51.21 | paxcoder | rasc: i want to see what gstreamer0.10 packages are installed so i can install the equvalent 1.0 ones to see if that allows me to remove the 0.10 ones |
| 21:51.24 | mechanicalduck_ | jmcnaught: But standard tasks means that there are a list of tasks to pick one which is suited. |
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| 21:53.10 | paxcoder | rasc: rasc: apropos i'm not sure you're using the word correctly, although strictly apropos its root, you are |
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| 21:54.03 | jmcnaught | mechanicalduck_: the standard task (along with required and important) depends on packages that are part of standard debian. Check out https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive#s-priorities |
| 21:54.15 | rasc | I know my answer is'nt good, I was just joking because you didn't explain you problem |
| 21:54.26 | rasc | paxcoder: what you need is aptitude why |
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| 21:55.19 | paxcoder | rasc thanks |
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| 21:55.43 | mechanicalduck_ | jmcnaught: Is there a list of what packages belong to standard task? |
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| 21:57.02 | rasc | mechanicalduck_: fire aptitude and look for it under tasks |
| 21:57.31 | xteejx | Hi guys, can I get packaging help here or is there a debian packaging channel better suited? |
| 21:57.45 | rasc | #debian-mentors in OFTC |
| 21:58.19 | xteejx | rasc, assume thats for me, thanks :) |
| 21:58.29 | rasc | np |
| 21:58.41 | jmcnaught | mechanicalduck_: aptitude search "?priority(standard)" though note that some like exim4 can be replaced with others that provide the virtual package. I don't know why you'd want to run a system without the standard packages though |
| 21:59.13 | rasc | jmcnaught: because he can? |
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| 21:59.41 | rasc | jmcnaught: he is playing package golf problably |
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| 21:59.46 | SquirrelCZECH_ | hi folks, I know it's not exactly debian specific, but I suppose you could help me |
| 21:59.48 | jmcnaught | rasc: seems like more trouble than it's worth |
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| 22:00.29 | SquirrelCZECH_ | I've written (python daemon and perl webpage) apps, they both use one sqlite database. I made it on my laptop (archlinux) and it worked fine (only one writing is daemon, webapp only reads) |
| 22:00.30 | xteejx | rasc, that channel is unofficial and has like 2-3 people, seems to have disappeared into the ether :s |
| 22:00.37 | ksdncv | btw, thanks again for those that tried helping me earlier to rescue the boot, just did a rm -rf and going to install new though |
| 22:00.38 | SquirrelCZECH_ | problem is when I copied it to my debian deice |
| 22:00.42 | SquirrelCZECH_ | where it should run |
| 22:00.52 | SquirrelCZECH_ | it reports me, that webpage can't open the sqlite db, because it's locked |
| 22:00.57 | SquirrelCZECH_ | any ideas what can cause this? |
| 22:01.02 | rasc | xteejx: it's what the documentation in the mentors website points to |
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| 22:01.13 | SquirrelCZECH_ | it sounds to me like there is something different between archlinux libs and debian libs maybe? |
| 22:01.20 | paxcoder | let's step up the game: is there a way to list installed packages on which none depend (ideal: only those that were installed via the command line)? |
| 22:01.23 | xteejx | rasc, on freenode? If so I should probably report a bug |
| 22:02.00 | rasc | xteejx: no, in oftc |
| 22:02.37 | xteejx | rasc, d'oh, you did say that too, its late...forgive me! thanks again :) |
| 22:02.42 | Shadow_7 | paxcoder: you could cross reference dpkg -l and /var/lib/dpkg/available. Although I think only dselect update populates that file these days. |
| 22:02.46 | dioz | i'm ^ |
| 22:04.27 | paxcoder | Shadow_7: aptitude search '~i !~M !~pstandard !~pimportant !~prequired' |
| 22:04.56 | paxcoder | Shadow_7: pretty nice that aptitude. Wish it didn't exhaust the memory resolving dependencies though |
| 22:05.09 | rasc | dpkg: tell paxcoder about aptitude clone |
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| 22:11.17 | paxcoder | rasc: thanks. i'm trying to find out what the v modifier is, how do i get to the section, it's not on the aptitude(8) |
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| 22:13.11 | rasc | ?virtual ~v Select virtual packages. |
| 22:13.21 | paxcoder | rasc: teach a man to fish |
| 22:13.30 | rasc | from http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html or the aptitude-doc package |
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| 22:14.02 | heurist | he does have a point that the man pages are a bit lacking. |
| 22:14.04 | paxcoder | thanks |
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| 22:14.31 | rasc | heurist: the full explanation is in the -doc, so I don't know |
| 22:14.59 | heurist | rasc: but it is rtfm not rtfd |
| 22:15.25 | paxcoder | hehe |
| 22:15.47 | rasc | they say the same thing about vim or perl, and they require the installation of a separete package too |
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| 22:16.17 | ksdncv | is currently jessie/testing without kernels ? or just am doing something wrong with the package search? |
| 22:16.20 | heurist | vimdocs tells you all you need. |
| 22:16.47 | jmcnaught | the aptitude man page does reference the doc package under SEE ALSO. at least it doesn't tell you to use gnu info |
| 22:17.10 | heurist | yaeh, I have being refered to info pages. |
| 22:17.43 | jmcnaught | ksdncv: jessie has kernel packages, what did you search for? |
| 22:17.46 | ksdncv | weird, following link from stable into testing did show a kernel, but searching there didnt work |
| 22:17.52 | ksdncv | packages starting with linux-image |
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| 22:18.32 | heurist | for aptitude docs I just refer to the web, but it would be nice if the man page told us the search flags since when I need them I can never remember them. |
| 22:18.34 | rasc | they changed name, that's all |
| 22:18.40 | rasc | ,kernels |
| 22:18.41 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.15-trunk-686-pae (3.15.5-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.12-1); jessie: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.12-1); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.12-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 22:19.12 | ksdncv | oh, nice, is there some guide on how to use that judd bot ? seems quite useful but have no clue how to query it |
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| 22:20.10 | ksdncv | found it on google |
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| 22:20.19 | ksdncv | actually on debian.net using google |
| 22:20.43 | ksdncv | going to bookmark this too |
| 22:21.08 | dansan | Anybody know how to emit message from a udev rule for syslog to pick up? |
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| 22:21.15 | dansan | I'm using rsyslog on this system |
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| 22:36.42 | rasc | that was quick |
| 22:37.23 | meaneye | Funny how they try to relay intelligent sounding message and yet fail to spell words properly. |
| 22:37.28 | meaneye | Ironic isn't it. |
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| 22:40.21 | viccuad | maxism? |
| 22:40.23 | viccuad | I like max |
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| 22:41.20 | viccuad | guys, has anyone updated testing in the last days and got the touchpad to have little sensitivy or no acceleration? |
| 22:42.39 | meaneye | I updated today, but I don't use touchpad. In fact I have it disabled. |
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| 22:45.35 | ksdncv | so cdebootstrap finished, going to check if disk works in intended place, bbl |
| 22:45.44 | viccuad | It happens in gdm3,gnome,openbox,lxde. I suppose it should be an X problem |
| 22:46.59 | meaneye | viccuad, I think X.Org abi changed. nVidia binary driver doesn't work anymore. |
| 22:47.41 | rasc | meaneye: what does the touchpad has to do with that? |
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| 22:47.59 | meaneye | Wel, directly none. |
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| 22:48.28 | meaneye | But X.Org does have input handling so something might have changed there as well. |
| 22:48.29 | viccuad | meaneye: true. I was using the blob, borked my system because I didn't do a safe-upgrade. installed stable with nouveau, upgraded to testing, and here I am, my system is working well. except the touchpad |
| 22:49.22 | rasc | viccuad: it would have configuration for that, but I don't know hot to cahnge the sensitivity or resolution of a touchpad |
| 22:49.54 | viccuad | rasc: I have looked on the internet for filed bugs, etc, but no luck |
| 22:50.05 | viccuad | I suppose I would need to discover how X works in that aspect |
| 22:50.21 | viccuad | external usb mouse works well, though |
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| 22:53.11 | coldiso | I know that 32bit and 64bit is always a tender topic but with testing I am trying to utitlize libstdc++.so.6 on a 64-bit platform and use the 32bit version due to a requirement for 32bit java and 32bit firefox. i have this working on squeeze but noticed that with multi-arch 32 libs are now in /usr/libx32 |
| 22:53.46 | coldiso | ldconfig prints both paths (64/32) but when i try to launch firefox 32 bit it complains that libstdc++.so.6 is missing or not loaded |
| 22:54.03 | rasc | coldiso: did you compile firefox? |
| 22:54.17 | coldiso | rasc: pulled it from the ftp mirror |
| 22:54.41 | rasc | we don't support that, try with the debian package |
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| 22:55.21 | coldiso | rasc: is there an iceweasel that is 32 bit? |
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| 22:55.31 | rasc | .v iceweasel |
| 22:55.34 | rasc | ,v iceweasel |
| 22:55.36 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 24.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 30.0-2; sid: 30.0-2; experimental: 31.0~b3-1 |
| 22:55.44 | rasc | yes |
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| 22:56.54 | rasc | dpkg: tell coldiso -about multiarch |
| 22:57.30 | coldiso | rasc: i have added i386 to my platform |
| 22:57.40 | coldiso | that didn't fix it actually which in the past this has been all that it took |
| 22:57.53 | rasc | so you need to install iceweasel:i386 |
| 22:57.56 | coldiso | rasc: libstdc++.so.6 (libc6,x32) => /usr/libx32/libstdc++.so.6 |
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| 22:58.32 | rasc | or compile the source from upstream |
| 22:58.40 | coldiso | rasc: i didn't realize you could prepend the :i386 to do that |
| 22:58.45 | coldiso | rasc: thanks for the tip |
| 22:59.37 | rasc | np |
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| 23:00.07 | coldiso | rasc: i wish this last hold out 32 bit program that insists on 32 bit java would roll over and die =) |
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| 23:01.26 | rasc | coldiso: we all do |
| 23:01.43 | coldiso | rasc: =) |
| 23:02.07 | rasc | coldiso: did you saw that game that was released as 64bit only? |
| 23:03.02 | coldiso | rasc: i did not catch that but that is certainly a good direction |
| 23:03.08 | dgriffi | just for grins, I decided to download the debian 3.0 install CD through jigdo (which seems to be the only way to get it now). Is it considerd a failure mode if even one wget fails with a 404? |
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| 23:04.42 | rasc | dgriffi: I can see it here: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
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| 23:05.31 | dgriffi | hmm.. well, it's still running, so I guess I should wait until its finished and then check the MD5 |
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| 23:09.58 | ksdncv | great, forgot to install the kernel, now am back to where a few hours ago except that dont have a useless busybox, but grub complaining of file not found |
| 23:10.48 | heurist | dgriffi: jigdo checks the md5 for you. |
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| 23:15.23 | ksdncv | does stock grub installed by debian package by chance support usb disks? |
| 23:15.29 | coldiso | rasc: so the prepending :i386 to the libs that were missing got me over the hump and i am again breaking the rules of support but i thank you a lot, that has changed for the last time i did this in squeeze |
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| 23:16.45 | rasc | coldiso: if you are using the package from debian, we can help you |
| 23:17.21 | coldiso | rasc: i totally understand but i like iceweasel to remain untainted with all the extra plugins that i have to use the firefox32 for |
| 23:17.49 | rasc | coldiso: compile another iceweasel in you home, then |
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| 23:18.54 | coldiso | rasc: i <3 debian, but maybe i don't fully understand the zeallot appeal for the rebuilt iceweasel. is there an audit that is done around it, why are people so fervent about using it |
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| 23:19.20 | rasc | mozilla asked debian to do it |
| 23:19.47 | coldiso | rasc: i hate to ask but why |
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| 23:21.00 | rasc | debian wants to support it, and mozilla says that's a no no, they don't want anyone to distribute anything called firefox because that makes they job of people that make bad firefoxes easier |
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| 23:21.19 | coldiso | oh i am reading the wiki article now |
| 23:21.23 | coldiso | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project |
| 23:21.26 | coldiso | good grief! |
| 23:22.12 | rasc | if you search firefox on google, the first paid hit is from someone that changes firefox and put adware in it |
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| 23:22.59 | rasc | mozilla doesn't allow people to distribute firefox if it is modified, they are trying to get those guys |
| 23:23.13 | coldiso | rasc: lovely; i will have to poke at iceweasel more, i had issues many years ago with it that caused me just to use the default FF but i see what is going on now and why i always get so much hate when i bring up ff in this channel |
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| 23:24.03 | coldiso | rasc: i usually track the *nightly* as well for ff but i get this issue better now |
| 23:24.18 | rasc | debian modifies firefox for support. canonical and redhat do it also, but they have a license. As you may know, debian won't distribute anything with a license specific to debian |
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| 23:25.23 | paxcoder | rasc: considering what you've said it's perposterous that we must call it another name |
| 23:25.44 | rasc | no, it is just fine |
| 23:26.02 | rasc | it makes the important job of mozilla easier |
| 23:26.37 | paxcoder | rasc: it's important for us not to call it iceweasel because we customize it, but it's not important to stop malware being added to it? |
| 23:27.49 | coldiso | paxcoder: its easier to track down honest people than the rule breakers |
| 23:27.57 | rasc | to use the name firefox, you need authorization from mozilla, so only people with good intentions do it. debian won't distribute anything with a license specific to debian, so this is the only solution |
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| 23:28.12 | rasc | can do it* |
| 23:28.27 | jmcnaught | coldiso: do you know about the packages on http://mozilla.debian.net/ ? |
| 23:28.43 | paxcoder | coldiso: it's also pointless and wastes time |
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| 23:29.24 | paxcoder | rasc: i understand that, no need to keep explaining, but i'm not sure if you know, we used to call it firefox, before we got contacted by mozilla |
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| 23:29.36 | coldiso | jmcnaught: i did not know about this; so this allows you to track similar nightly rebuild for the debian probject |
| 23:29.47 | rasc | paxcoder: yes, and they are right to protect their brand |
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| 23:29.57 | paxcoder | rasc: are we a threat to it? |
| 23:30.21 | jmcnaught | coldiso: i don't know if it has nightly builds, but it does have several options |
| 23:30.32 | paxcoder | rasc: the only reason i can think of is consistency. |
| 23:30.52 | jmcnaught | paxcoder: another side to it is Mozilla doesn't want to support modified versions, the same way that #debian doesn't support derivative distros |
| 23:30.54 | paxcoder | as in, preventing others from saying: You let Debian do it. |
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| 23:31.20 | paxcoder | jmcnaught: well they're doing it anyway ;-P |
| 23:31.24 | rasc | the only way you can do it to to prohibit anyone without a license to use it. It is everyone or no one. This is required by law, otherwise tha guys on google could just point to debian an say they are doing the same |
| 23:31.47 | paxcoder | actually, i report my bugs to debian's bts |
| 23:33.06 | rasc | did they make debranding a easy job for debian? |
| 23:33.12 | paxcoder | anyway, jmcnaught, what's a derivative distro? would automatizing installation of certain packages make for one? |
| 23:34.05 | rasc | paxcoder: no that would not |
| 23:34.07 | paxcoder | i wonder where the line is drawn |
| 23:34.11 | jmcnaught | paxcoder: ubuntu, mine, kali, proxmox etc are derivative distros.. see http://futurist.se/gldt/ |
| 23:34.31 | paxcoder | rasc: what about automatizing changing settings? |
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| 23:34.48 | paxcoder | (automatic change of conf files) |
| 23:34.53 | jmcnaught | paxcoder: debian patches firefox, and instead of using the included static libraries it uses the packaged libraries (for sqlite for example) |
| 23:35.29 | rasc | paxcoder: debian-edu does it and is a pureblend, not a derivative |
| 23:35.46 | paxcoder | jmcnaught: thanks, but i'm wondering about calling a system debian, i'm no longer talking about icefox or fireweasel |
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| 23:36.02 | rasc | paxcoder: you need to change the packets |
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| 23:38.07 | rasc | paxcoder: therre's got to be a delta mesurable in patches to the packets |
| 23:39.19 | rasc | packages*, sorry |
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| 23:40.17 | paxcoder | rasc: nice definition |
| 23:40.46 | Neobenedict | hi, i cannot write to a folder: dr-xrwxr-x 2 user user 4.0K Oct 16 2013 plugins as user, anyone know why that could be? what perms do I need to set? |
| 23:41.13 | paxcoder | Neobenedict: chmod +w folder |
| 23:41.51 | Neobenedict | thanks. I did chmod g+w before and it didn't work |
| 23:42.08 | rasc | paxcoder: there's also a difference between a derivativa and a fork: a derivative has to sync to the older distro from time to time |
| 23:42.11 | jmcnaught | Neobenedict: chmod o+w ? |
| 23:42.22 | Neobenedict | what does o+ and g+ do? |
| 23:42.26 | paxcoder | o is owner |
| 23:42.28 | paxcoder | g is group |
| 23:42.34 | Neobenedict | ah |
| 23:42.42 | Neobenedict | so that would have given the user group the ability to write |
| 23:42.44 | Neobenedict | g+w |
| 23:42.47 | Neobenedict | and +w gives bothj |
| 23:42.47 | paxcoder | and with that said, perhaps you should actually add yourself into the correct group |
| 23:42.49 | Neobenedict | -j |
| 23:43.30 | paxcoder | (eg. adduser user group) |
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| 23:44.50 | paxcoder | Neobenedict: no wait, sorry, you're probably in the group (also called user), I guess the owner permissions override the group permissions |
| 23:45.01 | paxcoder | *were overriding |
| 23:45.29 | paxcoder | (well they still are, but ... you know) |
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