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| 00:24.18 | cathode | hi there. i just installed debian7 on an hp system with a Broadcom NetXtreme II network card which required non-free firmware packages. i went ahead with the installation without that, and downloaded the bnx2-firmware 'package' separately and copied it to the server via a flash drive. but i don't know how to install it and theres no readme in the package |
| 00:24.22 | cathode | it's got a bunch of .fw files |
| 00:24.54 | cathode | this is what i downloaded. https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-bnx2 |
| 00:26.00 | Brigo | cathode, you only have to copy the firmware to the right directory |
| 00:26.18 | cathode | which would be /usr/local/lib/firmware? |
| 00:27.10 | Brigo | cathode, no: /lib/firmware/ |
| 00:27.29 | cathode | ok. how do i know which .fw to put? |
| 00:27.36 | Brigo | cathode, sorry, not that, this: /lib/firmware/bnx2/ |
| 00:27.45 | Brigo | cathode, put them all :) |
| 00:28.40 | pce | which X server should be more secure? |
| 00:29.12 | jmcnaught | cathode: did you download it as a .deb file? you should be able to just use "dpkg -i <path to .deb file" |
| 00:29.20 | cathode | there was no .deb file |
| 00:30.06 | jmcnaught | cathode: what exactly did you download then? the page you linked to has a download link at the bottom for getting the .deb file |
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| 00:30.22 | Brigo | cathode, if you want: http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-bnx2_0.43_all.deb |
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| 00:30.36 | cathode | oh i see it now |
| 00:30.37 | cathode | :/ |
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| 00:32.02 | deepblue | how to get the devel package? |
| 00:32.05 | rasc | pce: what do you mena? |
| 00:32.09 | deepblue | how to get the devel package? |
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| 00:32.47 | Brigo | deepblue, usually, there are a package with the same name plus -dev |
| 00:33.04 | pce | which is more secure gnome or kde? |
| 00:33.28 | rasc | pce: against what? |
| 00:33.52 | deepblue | Brigo: so it's devel ?-dev |
| 00:34.08 | deepblue | Brigo: so it's devel -dev ? |
| 00:34.39 | Brigo | deepblue, i think, that is you are searching for, or are you looking for sources packages? |
| 00:35.10 | pce | rasc, which should i use if i have security in mind and need a graphic desktop? |
| 00:35.13 | Brigo | deepblue, with the -dev you can compile againt it, with sources you can modify the sources. |
| 00:35.20 | rasc | pce: i3 |
| 00:35.33 | deepblue | Brigo: i need installing gcc ,ruby,..etc |
| 00:35.44 | Brigo | deepblue, oh, the environment. |
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| 00:36.11 | rasc | pce: between gnome and kde there's no pratical difference in security and privacy |
| 00:36.14 | jmcnaught | deepblue: build-essential package is a good start |
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| 00:37.13 | masterman88 | how do i remove a repository? |
| 00:37.31 | Brigo | editing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:37.53 | rasc | masterman88: is it a debian repository? or third party? |
| 00:37.59 | masterman88 | third party |
| 00:38.09 | rasc | masterman88: from whom? |
| 00:38.14 | masterman88 | noobslab themes |
| 00:38.16 | teraflop | i think security relies more on the user rasc |
| 00:38.51 | masterman88 | its somewhere in folder but i forgot which one |
| 00:38.54 | rasc | look int /etc/apt/sources.list for lines to take out and /etc/apt/preferences.d for file to take out |
| 00:39.07 | rasc | in* |
| 00:39.26 | jmcnaught | security rule #1, don't give people your password in exchange for chocolate |
| 00:39.41 | rasc | or sorry, /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 00:40.03 | Brigo | jmcnaught, and for whisky? :-P |
| 00:40.07 | pce | rasc, thank you |
| 00:40.20 | rasc | Brigo: depends in the amount of whisky |
| 00:40.24 | jmcnaught | masterman88: if you installed any packages from this 3rd party repo, simply removing it from sources.list does not remove the software that was installed from it |
| 00:40.34 | jmcnaught | Brigo: and the type. |
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| 00:40.39 | masterman88 | I just added it |
| 00:40.42 | masterman88 | Not installed |
| 00:40.56 | Brigo | what about a bottle of Jack Daniels? :D |
| 00:41.05 | teraflop | age? |
| 00:41.19 | Brigo | 8 years? XD |
| 00:41.24 | teraflop | heh |
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| 00:41.34 | masterman88 | removed thanks |
| 00:41.47 | masterman88 | how do i install a gtk3 theme ? |
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| 00:42.15 | rasc | Brigo: I have friends that would give even their girlfriends for jack |
| 00:42.21 | Brigo | masterman88, did you try gtk-theme-config ? |
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| 00:43.01 | masterman88 | brigo no |
| 00:43.02 | Brigo | rasc, i can undestand that. Even for only a glass of whisky :) |
| 00:43.09 | masterman88 | how do i open gtk-theme-config? |
| 00:43.13 | rasc | Brigo: the secret is to give the whisky before asking for the password |
| 00:43.21 | Brigo | first install it if you dont |
| 00:43.44 | masterman88 | does not work is it exactly the name? |
| 00:43.46 | Brigo | rasc, damn it! i will try to remember next time! XD |
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| 00:44.08 | Brigo | masterman88, it is a package name |
| 00:44.48 | masterman88 | okay but i can't find it in synaptic . |
| 00:44.58 | Brigo | masterman88, and yes, the executable is called gtk-theme-config |
| 00:45.14 | Brigo | ,v gtk-theme-config |
| 00:45.15 | judd | Package: gtk-theme-config on i386 -- jessie: 1.0-1; sid: 1.0-1 |
| 00:45.29 | Brigo | masterman88, oh, only in jessie, sorry :( |
| 00:45.40 | masterman88 | ok another way to install gtk ? |
| 00:45.43 | masterman88 | gtk themes ? |
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| 00:46.26 | jmcnaught | masterman88: i believe there are a bunch of gtk themes packaged in Wheezy |
| 00:46.45 | masterman88 | I need this one particular theme which is awesome |
| 00:46.45 | Brigo | masterman88, did you check the packaged ones? |
| 00:47.19 | masterman88 | Brigo: packaged ones? |
| 00:47.40 | Brigo | masterman88, apt-cache search gtk3 theme |
| 00:48.06 | masterman88 | Its not there |
| 00:48.28 | masterman88 | just few themes that are not finished |
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| 00:49.28 | jmcnaught | masterman88: you might want gnome-tweak-tool too. In that tool if you look under "Shell Extensions" there's a "User Themes Extension" you can enable. Then you should be able to load themes from ~/.themes |
| 00:49.34 | rasc | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.44 | Brigo | masterman88, this can help you: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=214088 |
| 00:49.49 | masterman88 | rasc i already did that do i need to relog or what? |
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| 00:50.14 | rasc | you need to tell gnome to use it with the tweat tool |
| 00:50.34 | rasc | gnome-tweak-tool |
| 00:50.42 | masterman88 | I have already checked that too its not in there |
| 00:50.56 | rasc | , v gnome-tweak-tool |
| 00:50.56 | jmcnaught | uses the default theme in gnome on wheezy. didn't even change wallpaper for the first year. |
| 00:50.57 | judd | Package: gnome-tweak-tool on i386 -- wheezy: 3.4.0.1-2; jessie: 3.12.0-2; sid: 3.12.0-2 |
| 00:51.42 | rasc | masterman88: what version are you using? |
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| 00:53.16 | jmcnaught | masterman88: did you enable user themes extension? |
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| 00:53.34 | masterman88 | jmcnaught : yes |
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| 00:53.51 | masterman88 | i don't know what file it is called? |
| 00:54.07 | masterman88 | rasc how can i see what version i run? |
| 00:54.15 | User3 | who's going to take the course "introduction to linux" on edx |
| 00:54.37 | rasc | User3: want to move this to offtopic? |
| 00:55.11 | jmcnaught | masterman88: "apt-cache policy gnome-tweak-tool" for version of the package. "cat /etc/debian_version" for which version of debian |
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| 00:55.24 | User3 | rasc: sorry, I'm leaving alright |
| 00:55.38 | masterman88 | 3.4 gnome tweak tool , debian 7.6 |
| 00:56.21 | User3 | exit |
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| 00:57.29 | rasc | after turning on the user themes extensions, I have to log out and back in for it to show me the option to pick one |
| 00:58.15 | masterman88 | not by me |
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| 01:00.37 | masterman88 | http://killhellokitty.deviantart.com/art/dorian-theme-3-12-12-06092014-453111725 |
| 01:00.54 | masterman88 | can anyone try it self ? |
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| 01:01.40 | masterman88 | on debian gnome :) |
| 01:01.50 | spawnrad2 | Can someone help me with memory issue please? I"m new in debian and im out of memory and i don't know how to solve it :( - http://www.heberger-image.fr/images/44755_memory.png.html Thanks in advance |
| 01:02.09 | rasc | it says there that you need gtk 3.12 if you wahnt to use it with gtk 3, and you have gtk 3.4 |
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| 01:02.33 | masterman88 | oh |
| 01:02.53 | masterman88 | how do i install gtk3.4? |
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| 01:03.47 | rasc | the development branch of debian is in migration right now, do you want to try it? if it breaks, you get to keep both parts |
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| 01:04.27 | masterman88 | I am confused , i have gtk 3.4 |
| 01:04.38 | masterman88 | no i don't know which version of gtk i have running |
| 01:04.49 | rasc | it says in the screenshot: " for gtk 3.12 " |
| 01:05.05 | masterman88 | ok and how do u know i use 3.4? |
| 01:05.31 | rasc | you are in wheezy, the stable branch, it has gtk 3.4 |
| 01:05.47 | masterman88 | okay , how do i install gtk 3.12 |
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| 01:07.41 | somiaj | not easily, I would suggest looking for a theme compadable with the gtk version in wheezy |
| 01:07.51 | rasc | ,v libgtk-3-0 |
| 01:07.55 | judd | Package: libgtk-3-0 on i386 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7; jessie: 3.12.2-1+b1; sid: 3.12.2-1+b1 |
| 01:08.29 | rasc | masterman88: it is avaibala in jessie, the testing branch, but your system will break |
| 01:08.46 | masterman88 | why do people make themes for nonstable version? |
| 01:09.04 | rasc | masterman88: because hipsters, of couse |
| 01:09.32 | masterman88 | lol rasc |
| 01:09.37 | masterman88 | it says minimum gtk-2.24.17(or newer) |
| 01:10.03 | rasc | but that is gtk+ 2, gnome doesn't use that |
| 01:10.50 | masterman88 | Ill try just need find a way to install this theme |
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| 01:12.04 | rasc | ,v libgtk2.0-0 |
| 01:12.05 | judd | Package: libgtk2.0-0 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.20.1-2; wheezy: 2.24.10-2; jessie: 2.24.24-1; sid: 2.24.24-1 |
| 01:12.49 | rasc | it is used for applications that weren't ported yet |
| 01:13.39 | rasc | wheeze has 2.24.10 and you need 2.24.17 |
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| 01:17.27 | rasc | masterman88: you can try jessie, just keep backups |
| 01:18.25 | ksdncv | just installed jessie, quite funny, it keeps ifup/ifdown all the time the network interface and still havent figured out why |
| 01:18.42 | masterman88 | rasc how do i know what version of gtk i running? |
| 01:18.53 | masterman88 | i run 7.6 wheezy that may be new gtk |
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| 01:19.46 | rasc | did you see the messages the bot sended? those are the versions in each version of debian |
| 01:20.16 | masterman88 | yes but if there is difference between numbers 7 and 7.6 |
| 01:20.23 | rasc | spawnrad2: mysql is doing what it is suppoed to do: use all the memory of the system... |
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| 01:20.43 | rasc | masterman88: there's a debian 8, unreleased, that has the newer software |
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| 01:21.05 | masterman88 | Jessie is not stable |
| 01:21.31 | rasc | masterman88: yes, like I said, it will break, you just need to keep backups of you data |
| 01:21.38 | rasc | your* |
| 01:21.41 | spawnrad2 | rasc> thank you for your answer, so its not an issue? all is normal in my screenshot? |
| 01:22.30 | rasc | spawnrad2: you may want to separate them into 2 containers so that apache has memory and disk i/o to work, but yes, that is what mysql does |
| 01:23.30 | spawnrad2 | rasc> do u have some document about that ( 2 containers ) i will search about that. Thanks a lot for your help |
| 01:23.40 | rasc | spawnrad2: every database server will do that |
| 01:24.18 | spawnrad2 | rasc > oh ok i was scared about that, thank you :) |
| 01:24.30 | rasc | np |
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| 01:34.13 | spawnrad2 | rasc> when i use cp -a (161Mo file), i must wait 30minute to be finish i don't understand |
| 01:34.39 | rasc | spawnrad2: how much traffic are you getting? |
| 01:34.52 | spawnrad2 | none |
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| 01:35.54 | spawnrad2 | Just me |
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| 01:38.29 | sakang | and what is your expectation? |
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| 01:39.34 | sakang | among other things the copy is hardware dependent |
| 01:39.57 | spawnrad2 | have a good server 4core |
| 01:40.29 | spawnrad2 | here the server spec http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-classic |
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| 01:46.03 | spawnrad2 | I think i know why, maybe because i use 4 core for nginx . I will check for that |
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| 01:58.57 | scottj | How do I prevent systemd from starting pulseaudio? I did sudo systemctl disable pulseaudio.service but it's still starting at boot. I also have PULSEAUDIO_SYSTEM_START=0 in /etc/default/pulseaudio |
| 01:59.16 | scottj | the parent process is /sbin/init |
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| 01:59.54 | heurist | scottj: is it starting system-wide or as a user process? |
| 02:00.05 | scottj | (note I want to start pulse as my user, so uninstalling it isn't an option) |
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| 02:00.26 | scottj | heurist: it's running as user Debian-+ |
| 02:00.51 | heurist | I hate those long usernames that cut off. |
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| 02:01.32 | scottj | ahh, perhaps it's Debian-gdm |
| 02:01.59 | heurist | I would suspect something like that too. |
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| 02:04.48 | liox_ | hi |
| 02:05.22 | liox_ | Has anyone worked with roundcube webmail and could help in? |
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| 02:05.51 | heurist | liox_: a long time ago. |
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| 02:08.26 | liox_ | heurist: I have a serious problem I had in my vps with ubuntu 12:04 apache 2.2 and php 5.3 with ISPConfig panel and Roundcube Webmail decided to upgrade to php 5.5 and Apache 2.4 came along which broke all my vps. So I did a downgrade to apache 2.2 and php 5.3 and got back my vhosts and ISPConfig my dashboard but still unable to webmail |
| 02:09.21 | liox_ | heurist: see http://mercattomarmores.com.br/webmail/ |
| 02:09.26 | heurist | liox_: does not sound like fun, what are your symptoms? error messages? logs? |
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| 02:10.27 | heurist | liox_: interal server error is not very helpful, you will need to look at the logs. |
| 02:10.41 | liox_ | Apache error log n accuses nothing |
| 02:11.02 | liox_ | heurist: logs which I could observe to identify the problem? |
| 02:11.04 | liox_ | ? |
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| 02:12.16 | inSky | liox_: May be it's a permission issue ! |
| 02:12.29 | heurist | liox_: that does not look like an apache error screen. I have no idea. You would need to ask you vps provider what that is, it might be some sort of load-balancer maybe. |
| 02:12.54 | heurist | liox_: well yes make sure the permissions are correct, but that should show up in the apache logs. |
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| 02:14.19 | heurist | liox_: ispconfig is also probably something to look at. |
| 02:15.16 | liox_ | heurist: 'm finding q may be some as fastcgi module that is not working properly |
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| 02:15.59 | liox_ | heurist: ISPConfig is working |
| 02:16.06 | heurist | liox_: could be, you really need to find logs to diagnose this sort of thing. |
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| 02:16.36 | heurist | liox_: ispconfig is giving you that error though, check its logs. I do not know the product at all. |
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| 02:19.33 | inSky | liox_: in your Ispconfig panel; under tab "FastCGI" be sure to select Old ( Apache 2.0 ) |
| 02:19.55 | liox_ | I think this may be a problem looking log in var / log / suPHP |
| 02:20.05 | liox_ | [Sat Jul 19 23:13:43 2014] [warn] File "/ var / www / webmail / index.php" is not in document root of vhost "/ var / www / agenciazig.com.br / web" |
| 02:20.12 | liox_ | is a problem? |
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| 02:23.01 | liox_ | heurist: ? |
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| 02:24.34 | jmcnaught | liox_: if it's Ubuntu you should get support in #ubuntu |
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| 03:00.10 | usrnix | Hi, my laptop has been having problems where it's can't get an IP (where other pc's can), with right network/interfaces configured, the DHCP client keeps DHCPDISCOVERing to 255.255.255.255 (when I should be getting a normal 255.255.255.0?) (also with dhcp and static IP I don't get anything sometimes) Any help? Thx. |
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| 03:03.03 | antithesis | Why is fish shell in stable but not in testing? |
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| 03:05.54 | jmcnaught | antithesis: usually it's because of RC bugs. For questions like this you can usually find an answer on th package tracker: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/fish |
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| 03:07.18 | jmcnaught | deepblue: i do it by adding these lines to my .bashrc http://paste.debian.net/110601/ |
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| 03:09.58 | sherl0ck | running debian wheezy, id like to apply grsecurity patches to current kernel, but errors out during the 'patch -p1 < GRSECURITY_PATCH'. Sugguestions? |
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| 03:11.30 | antithesis | jmcnaught if I understand it correctly, they removed it from testing because the version that's in stable right now has security issues? |
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| 03:12.14 | antithesis | Oh nevermind I found it |
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| 03:14.28 | Guest75625 | problem compiling nmap : http://dpaste.com/1JXHJ9C . suggestions ? |
| 03:15.10 | deepblue | jmcnaught: done but still can't run binaries from there |
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| 03:15.54 | jmcnaught | deepblue: if you didn't start a new shell, try running .bashrc ("source ~/.bashrc") |
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| 03:16.11 | rasc | sherl0ck: I think tahat's more of a general programming question, not especif for debain... |
| 03:16.51 | Guest75625 | solved with : apt-get install build-essential g++ |
| 03:17.01 | croddy | Guest75625: nmap should be in the repos. unless there is something special you need in nmap 6.46, i would recommend just 'apt-get install nmap'. |
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| 03:17.18 | deepblue | jmcnaught: great ,thanx a lot |
| 03:17.32 | croddy | if you're running testing or unstable, then nmap 6.46 *is* the version in the repos |
| 03:18.43 | jmcnaught | Guest75625: if you *really* need the newer version on Wheezy backporting the package from unstable is usually a better way to go about it than compiling from source |
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| 03:20.26 | antithesis | jmcnaught let's say I really need that package. Is it safe to just install the sid version on a testing system? |
| 03:20.47 | croddy | no, before you know it you'll have upgraded libc or something and then you'll really be screwed |
| 03:20.58 | croddy | unless you want to RUN testing or unstable by dist-upgrading to it, use the backports repos. |
| 03:21.27 | jmcnaught | antithesis: you're on wheezy or jessie? on jessie it's probably not that bad, but you might ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and get a better answer |
| 03:21.30 | croddy | that may not be the case for nmap specifically, so sure, you might get away with it here or there, but it's a bad policy generally. |
| 03:21.42 | antithesis | I'm on jessie |
| 03:21.51 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell antithesis -about tum |
| 03:22.06 | Guest75625 | croddy, it is but it does not detect the iface . not even when specified |
| 03:22.09 | jmcnaught | croddy: i'm not talking about mixing repos, i'm talking about backporting a source package |
| 03:22.42 | croddy | yes that would be betters |
| 03:22.52 | jmcnaught | ,checkbackport nmap |
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| 03:24.22 | judd | Backporting package nmap in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
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| 03:24.43 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Guest75625 -about ssb |
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| 03:25.17 | jmcnaught | Guest75625: dpkg bot should have messaged you instruction on how to backport a package. anything <in angles> are further topics you can ask the bot about |
| 03:26.40 | jmcnaught | Guest75625: you might want to read https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 03:29.40 | jmcnaught | treaki__: connection problems? |
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| 03:32.21 | DanDare | Hello. How/where to report a error on page https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware ? |
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| 03:34.43 | rasc | DanDare: it's a wiki open for edits, just change it. If someone disagrees, they will revert |
| 03:35.17 | DanDare | rasc, do I need some type of registration do edit it? |
| 03:35.38 | rasc | DanDare: yes |
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| 03:36.04 | DanDare | ok, thanks |
| 03:36.09 | rasc | there's a login button, second thing at the top left |
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| 03:37.21 | DanDare | the text link for "rtl18168e-2.fw" is wrong, its rtl81168e-2.fw, actually |
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| 03:37.48 | DanDare | err, I mean: rtl8168e-2 |
| 03:38.44 | DanDare | right, lets create that account then |
| 03:39.47 | rasc | If you help at the wiki, there's a thanks page here: https://contributors.debian.org/ |
| 03:41.02 | DanDare | nice :) |
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| 03:46.15 | DanDare | Oh, anyway, there's nothing wrong there... just me in need of some sleep |
| 03:46.18 | DanDare | :/ |
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| 03:58.53 | rasc | DanDare: don't feed them like that the next time |
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| 03:59.09 | DanDare | rasc, ok |
| 03:59.43 | DanDare | Whats the script that detects and set network adapters on installation process? |
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| 04:00.28 | somiaj | DanDare: what are you wanting to do? I'm not sure about the actual script it is part of the installer, which is where I would start looking. |
| 04:00.29 | DanDare | It's possible to run that script, after installed the system? It was nice how it just detected and configured my wi-fi dongle, smoothly |
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| 04:01.03 | DanDare | somiaj, Im installing Wheezy on a new box. Installation detected wi-fi dongle and configured it all for me. |
| 04:01.05 | somiaj | DanDare: I haven't seen a way, the option I use is just manually configure /etc/network/interfaces (which is basically what the script does) by hand. |
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| 04:01.30 | DanDare | I remember having some trouble the last time I added a wi-fi dongle (after installing the OS) |
| 04:01.32 | somiaj | DanDare: it should only require you add a efw lines to /etc/networking/interfaces yourself. |
| 04:01.57 | somiaj | DanDare: well there are two things to make sure 1) Firmware is loaded, 2) configure it, which as I said is only a few lines in the interfaces file or use a network-manager |
| 04:02.13 | somiaj | if you prefer to use the network-manager it would conflict with setting it in the interfaces file manually (or via the script) |
| 04:02.43 | DanDare | somiaj, yeah I know... the theory say that but I had a hard time on squeeze configuring and setting up the wi-fi thing, even having the firmware installed and the kernel module loaded etc |
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| 04:03.31 | DanDare | Nah, i dont want network-manager for this one. Anyway, its just running. Just curious if such a script is accessible after install |
| 04:03.44 | somiaj | well if you like i can help ya set it up. Have you pluged it in, look at dmesg | tail to see if it loaded correct firmware |
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| 04:05.09 | DanDare | somiaj, no, thank you very much... I was referring a problem I had in the past. Was just curious about some specific script that detects, install and configure the wi-fi, like seem on installation process |
| 04:05.45 | DanDare | *OS installation process |
| 04:05.48 | somiaj | as I said I haven't seen any, I'm looking now. But my suggestion is just learn how to configure thigns with the interfaces file so in the future you can just do it. |
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| 04:06.47 | DanDare | Im fine with /etc/network/interfaces. I think I wasnt much luck in squeeze though. |
| 04:07.22 | DanDare | Or had conflicting firmwares/drivers, not sure |
| 04:07.24 | somiaj | with wifi there are just two issues. 1) wpasupplicant I don't think was installed by defaut on squeeze (no longer the case) and the config syntax is difference between wep and wpa and open (I find it annoying but that is how it works) |
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| 04:07.41 | somiaj | that is provided the firmware/card was actually supported |
| 04:08.27 | DanDare | interesting. Wheezy install just set up WPA2 for me. I though wpasupplicant is needed for that |
| 04:08.44 | somiaj | it is |
| 04:08.58 | somiaj | but the interfaces file manages doing all teh calls if you put the correct info in it |
| 04:09.07 | somiaj | well the ifup/down scripts that use it |
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| 04:09.29 | DanDare | ok |
| 04:09.53 | somiaj | but I'm not seeing mention to the isntaller script available after the installer. Maybe #debian-installer on irc.oftc.net would know |
| 04:10.54 | DanDare | Nice to know, thank you. Will try to find info about it on the internet |
| 04:11.31 | DanDare | I mean, how installation process works.. I dont have any clue on that |
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| 04:16.21 | DanDare | Heh. Now this is funny. Despite installation had configured wi-fi for me, to download the packages and all. Is no more available after the first boot |
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| 04:17.39 | rasc | DanDare: yep, that's how it works |
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| 04:18.26 | DanDare | I see now. Anyway, everything is loaded, just a matter to add the lines on interfaces file |
| 04:19.06 | jmcnaught | DanDare: if you want to use network-manager you don't want the interfaces listed in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:19.16 | DanDare | I know |
| 04:19.27 | DanDare | I dont want network-manager for this one. |
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| 04:20.25 | DanDare | I will be configuring hostapd also. Tried the infrastructure mode of network-manager but i didn't liked it |
| 04:21.27 | DanDare | well, also network-manager and resolvconf together can be a confusing mix I guess. |
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| 04:22.15 | rasc | DanDare: there's 2 usual usecases: a desktop, which uses wicd or network-manager or a server, which an admin needs to configure to the policy os the site. The usecase were the system automatically configures network in /etc/interfaces isn't covered. |
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| 04:22.57 | DanDare | rasc, this will be a router/internet gate and a file server for my office, so not a desktop thing |
| 04:23.39 | DanDare | pretty bad I know, mixing internet router with file server but well... lets then trust on iptables and hope the best :p |
| 04:23.48 | rasc | puting configuration there would get in the way of networ-manager, making it harder for the casual user, and not really helping a sysadmin, because he will need to do a manual config anyway |
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| 04:24.02 | DanDare | I see |
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| 04:25.14 | DanDare | rasc, I think theres a setting you can instruct network-manager to respect or by-pass interfaces file options |
| 04:26.09 | rasc | networmanager won't touch anything listed in the interfaces file |
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| 04:26.41 | DanDare | no. But it can consider the info there in 2 different ways |
| 04:27.11 | rasc | will it configure an interface marked 'auto'? |
| 04:28.10 | DanDare | rasc, on the conf file /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf one can choose the line 'managed=' true or false |
| 04:28.23 | rasc | except in very recent systems, which i'm not quite sure how they work, anything in /etc/interfaces won't even show up in network manager |
| 04:28.50 | DanDare | Sorry, not sure, but I think if you set that line to false, network-manager respect and let interfaces do its job (not sure) |
| 04:29.00 | DanDare | tested it briefly last week |
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| 04:29.12 | rasc | in which release? |
| 04:29.52 | DanDare | rasc, wheezy |
| 04:30.49 | DanDare | rasc, yeah.. interfaces file dont have any effect on network-manager, but you can instruct network-manager what to do in relation to that info. That config line I show |
| 04:31.30 | rasc | this wiki pageagrees with me: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager . "As of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", NetworkManager does not manage any interface defined in /etc/network/interfaces by default. " |
| 04:32.01 | jmcnaught | yeah it's also documented in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 04:32.07 | rasc | it also says there's a way to allow that |
| 04:32.47 | DanDare | the "by default" bit left it open for other possibilities |
| 04:32.59 | rasc | putting managed=true like you said |
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| 04:33.42 | DanDare | Wait, if managed=true, it lets interfaces file do it job? or the contrary ? |
| 04:33.47 | DanDare | is confused now |
| 04:34.00 | rasc | \"If you want NetworkManager to handle interfaces that are enabled in /etc/network/interfaces: |
| 04:34.11 | DanDare | Ah ok, thanks |
| 04:34.14 | jmcnaught | http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2014/06/20/well-build-a-dream-house-of-net/ apparently networkmanager 0.9.10 is better at cooperating with ip, ifconfig, brctl etc |
| 04:34.17 | rasc | Set managed=true in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf. |
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| 04:34.46 | rasc | ,v network-manager |
| 04:34.48 | judd | Package: network-manager on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.1-6+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.4.0-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.4.0-10; jessie: 0.9.10.0-1; sid: 0.9.10.0-1 |
| 04:35.02 | DanDare | rasc, so I guess, if managed=false and the interface is set on interfaces file, network-manager will not use that |
| 04:35.17 | jmcnaught | which makes me wonder if the default behaviour will change in Jessie.. especially with the systemd migration. I've been reading the systemd man pages tonight. It seems like it touches everything |
| 04:35.23 | DanDare | I mean, network-manager will not attempt to configure that interface |
| 04:35.30 | rasc | if managed=false, it will ignore it even if it doesn't show there |
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| 04:35.46 | SanDi | hello debian |
| 04:35.49 | DanDare | I see |
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| 04:38.31 | rasc | jmcnaught: even if debian didn't choose systemd as the default init, all the other utilities would be here, bolted on top of upstart |
| 04:39.32 | jmcnaught | rasc: i'm not complaining, just saying it looks like a lot to learn (i just started though :) |
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| 04:40.39 | rasc | jmcnaught: systemd ussully chooses to do things the debian way, it shouldn't change much, except for the init system. where systemd does change things, like binfmt, debian will be keeping what it uses now |
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| 04:41.39 | somiaj | the not launching tty's by default confused me when xorg wasn't on tty7 anymore. I need to learn to configure systemd more, but so far I haven't noticed it which is what I was hoping. |
| 04:41.49 | SanDi | ðª |
| 04:42.44 | rasc | my x is on tty7 in this machine and on tty2 in the one I use @work |
| 04:43.56 | DanDare | once I got X on tty6 or 8, cant remember. But, why it happens ? |
| 04:44.25 | jmcnaught | DanDare: I've had it on tty8 if a second user starts an X session |
| 04:44.31 | rasc | DanDare: it launches ttys on request, not all of them like sysvinit |
| 04:44.37 | DanDare | it looked just random for me |
| 04:45.01 | DanDare | because it returned to tty7, cant remember what I did though |
| 04:45.09 | rasc | they are preparing to releases without vts |
| 04:46.08 | rasc | or without vts in the kernel |
| 04:46.25 | DanDare | i hope this systemd stuff will not make normal users life (like me), much harder |
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| 04:47.09 | rasc | if you use testing, the migration can cause problems, but it will make everything more robust and automated |
| 04:47.20 | DanDare | sounds cool |
| 04:47.26 | jmcnaught | DanDare: i doubt it will.. if anything it might be easier to write service unit files than init scripts (systemd still supports traditional init scripts though) |
| 04:47.30 | DanDare | i never used tested :p... im just some final user |
| 04:47.45 | DanDare | *testing |
| 04:48.00 | DanDare | jmcnaught, I see |
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| 04:48.41 | rasc | jmcnaught: it can support any initsystem script, someone just need to write a generator for them, third party generators will be comming soon |
| 04:48.43 | DanDare | and yeah... tried init scripts already but need study that for anything concrete |
| 04:48.54 | DanDare | *study more |
| 04:49.13 | SanDi | ð³ |
| 04:49.22 | jmcnaught | http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.path.html this feature looks pretty neat |
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| 04:49.32 | DanDare | my way actually is managing stuff from /etc/rc.local actually |
| 04:49.48 | jmcnaught | SanDi: hi do you need some help? |
| 04:50.08 | DanDare | hmm, maybe he needs unicode |
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| 04:50.33 | rasc | DanDare: that should stay working in the future |
| 04:50.45 | DanDare | rasc, fortunately then :) |
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| 04:51.17 | SanDi | thanks,but i just have a look |
| 04:52.14 | rasc | TIL my terminal supports unicode |
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| 04:59.47 | Shaganoz | hi |
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| 05:03.24 | Shaganoz | i am getting to install a debian i386 cd iso |
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| 05:03.59 | Shaganoz | i want to ask here is there suffice if im downloading the iso1. cd file size 648mb |
| 05:04.18 | heurist | Shaganoz: yes, that will work |
| 05:04.20 | Shaganoz | debian-7.6.0-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 05:04.31 | Shaganoz | to run on my computer later after finis downloading it |
| 05:04.56 | Shaganoz | ok thank i just need some verification |
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| 05:10.51 | nurupo | Shaganoz: just don't download .iso with "update", they might not be what you want since they don't have boot files |
| 05:11.44 | Shaganoz | what it mean? |
| 05:11.58 | rasc | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.17 | Shaganoz | what i gonna do is downloading the debian-7.6.0-i386-CD-1.iso and burn it into a cd |
| 05:12.21 | nurupo | Shaganoz: you won't be able to boot from such cds |
| 05:12.30 | Shaganoz | huh |
| 05:12.31 | nurupo | with word "update" in them |
| 05:12.41 | Shaganoz | no new installation |
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| 05:12.58 | Shaganoz | im going to have new intsallation with debian-7.6.0-i386-CD-1.is |
| 05:13.16 | rasc | nurupo: that cd is the installation cd, isn't it? |
| 05:13.21 | Shaganoz | *on my computer before was previously with win7 |
| 05:13.22 | nurupo | "debian-7.6.0-i386-CD-1.iso" will work fine, "debian-update-7.6.0-i386-CD-1.iso" will not |
| 05:13.36 | Shaganoz | orh u are confusing me nurupo |
| 05:13.39 | jen232 | any fun & free games in debian repos i can install to play with a friend over a network. little two-player games not something like steam or anything |
| 05:14.00 | Shaganoz | i am alrd on my half way downloading with the debian-7.6.0-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 05:14.02 | rasc | jen232: i like to play 0ad |
| 05:14.18 | DanDare | jen232, tried apt-cache to list games for you ? |
| 05:14.19 | rasc | nurupo: he isn't using a update cd |
| 05:14.32 | Shaganoz | nurupo: its not update thanks for quoted |
| 05:14.35 | jen232 | DanDare: no. how can i do that? |
| 05:14.36 | nurupo | rasc: i'm just informing him for the future :) |
| 05:14.55 | rasc | Shaganoz: ok, it will be fine then |
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| 05:15.03 | DanDare | jen232, are you using any window manager? like gnome or KDE ? |
| 05:15.11 | jmcnaught | Shaganoz: you're getting the right file to do an install. You could also use the network installer disk if you have a fast connection. Reading the Installation Guide is also recommended: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.en :) |
| 05:15.22 | Shaganoz | rasc: thank you |
| 05:15.34 | DanDare | jen232, if so, you can install synaptic and browse all the packages by categorym including games |
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| 05:16.20 | jen232 | DanDare: yes i am. thanks. it's just hard to tell from description if they will allow me to connect with a remote friend and play together |
| 05:16.24 | rasc | np |
| 05:16.27 | Shaganoz | DanDare: my resident internet connection is really awkard not really fast though |
| 05:16.40 | DanDare | jen232, understand |
| 05:16.43 | Shaganoz | so im not using the netinst for the task |
| 05:17.19 | rasc | Shaganoz: you may download more cds in the future, when you have the time |
| 05:17.29 | DanDare | jen232, do at command line: "apt-cache search game | grep multiplayer" it will be a start for you |
| 05:17.41 | jmcnaught | Shaganoz: sounds like you picked the right one. Does your computer have less than 4GB of RAM? If you have 64-bit processor the amd64 iso might have been a better choice. |
| 05:17.42 | jen232 | DanDare: thanks for the advice |
| 05:17.56 | DanDare | np |
| 05:18.01 | Shaganoz | rasc YEAH i am gonna redistribute the cd among my friend and collegue here |
| 05:18.16 | nurupo | jen232: debian has teeworlds, haven't played it though https://www.teeworlds.com/ |
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| 05:18.32 | nurupo | just did apt-cache search for games :) |
| 05:18.36 | rasc | Shaganoz: the other cds have more software in them, it could be useful to download them once and install from them |
| 05:18.54 | Shaganoz | dandare nice for the advice i appreciated for those advanced ADVICE from the geeks though |
| 05:19.05 | jen232 | nurupo: maybe i'll try that out |
| 05:19.10 | rasc | Shaganoz: the samller number, more popular is the software in them |
| 05:19.15 | rasc | smaller* |
| 05:19.40 | Shaganoz | nope its my desktop with enough 4gb RAM and its is 32 BITS architecture |
| 05:20.32 | DanDare | Shaganoz, 4gb is very suitable for desktop |
| 05:20.38 | Shaganoz | rasc what are there in the package im downloading it now? got firefox and libre office or open office on it? |
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| 05:21.39 | Shaganoz | actually this pc is for my home desktop |
| 05:22.02 | Shaganoz | i just need some different environment to play around rather than windows OS |
| 05:23.11 | Shaganoz | brb |
| 05:23.22 | rasc | libreoffice and icewesel(firefox) comes in the first cd |
| 05:25.13 | Shaganoz | noted it |
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| 05:38.44 | DanDare | I can say it was a very happy thing that I discovered the apt-cacher-ng program |
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| 05:40.24 | jmcnaught | DanDare: i agree |
| 05:41.20 | DanDare | jmcnaught, doing lots of experiments these days, with debian virtual machines. Searching for "how to make a debian mirror" leaded me for the cacher |
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| 05:44.03 | jmcnaught | DanDare: that's what led me to discover it too. Benefitting from it right now as I debootstrap jessie for a chroot. Have you tried LXC? For some experiments it's replaced the need for VMs for me, it's a little faster than the way I was creating VMs too |
| 05:45.02 | DanDare | jmcnaught, no, i dont know LXC. I will take a look for sure, thanks |
| 05:46.04 | DanDare | doing experiments mostly on the networking part. tunnels, separate servers, VPNs connected together etc |
| 05:46.11 | DanDare | its getting very funny :p |
| 05:46.11 | formorer | if you want to use lxc, you should start with docker. |
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| 05:46.34 | HugeBoobs3 | Does Debian have a channel of OFTC and on Freenode? |
| 05:46.48 | formorer | oftc is the "official" one |
| 05:46.57 | DanDare | HugeBoobs3, i suspect the OFTC one, is the official one |
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| 05:47.11 | DanDare | forcer, thank you, will check it, right now |
| 05:47.21 | HugeBoobs3 | I see, thanks |
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| 05:56.51 | and0r | i cant get debrah out of my mind whenever i see .deb packages |
| 05:57.09 | and0r | like its all her |
| 05:57.14 | and0r | everywhere |
| 05:57.21 | and0r | deb all over the place |
| 05:57.40 | boudiccas | how many kb is 35.4mb please? I'm trying to work it out so that I can uplaod it to my blog |
| 05:58.37 | rasc | boudiccas: that's a very complicated question |
| 05:59.03 | and0r | haha |
| 05:59.17 | jmcnaught | boudiccas: 35.4 megabits is 35500 kilobits |
| 05:59.43 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 05:59.46 | rasc | are you using 10^3 or 2^10? |
| 05:59.49 | and0r | a kb is a kilobyte, not bit |
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| 06:00.03 | croddy | oh good, here we go |
| 06:00.05 | rasc | kb is a kilobit |
| 06:00.16 | jmcnaught | boudiccas: err sorry 35400. did you mean bytes though? |
| 06:00.28 | and0r | no sorry, but k and b together is a kilobyte sir |
| 06:00.28 | rasc | kB is a kilobyte and kiB is a kibibit |
| 06:00.32 | croddy | kilobait |
| 06:00.47 | and0r | kbp is a kilobit |
| 06:01.02 | rasc | kiB is a kibibyte, sorry |
| 06:01.05 | and0r | yes |
| 06:01.14 | jmcnaught | boudiccas: there's a convertall package for doing unit conversions :) |
| 06:01.29 | boudiccas | jmcnaught; no, its got to be in kb |
| 06:01.30 | and0r | ok im sorry for disrespecting you |
| 06:01.33 | croddy | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=35.4+megabytes+to+mebibytes |
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| 06:01.46 | rasc | one can use units too |
| 06:02.00 | and0r | i love you all |
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| 06:02.31 | Derpadong | Eh |
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| 06:06.23 | Derpadong | Is ati still a bad thing to use with Debian? Lol |
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| 06:07.39 | jmcnaught | Derpadong: the default open source "radeon" driver works pretty well. The proprietary fglrx drivers are available in the non-free repository as well. |
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| 06:09.34 | Derpadong | Ah I see. It'll be my first time messing with ati so that's why I asked. I'm an Intel kinda person cause its open sourced very well |
| 06:11.04 | jmcnaught | Derpadong: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo has info on the radeon driver. There's a link on that page to instructions for the proprietary driver if you want that. Do you know the pciid of the card? "lspci -nn | grep VGA" will tell you |
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| 06:13.36 | Uassau | some of you are practical about reverse engeniering? interested? |
| 06:13.40 | Derpadong | I shall look into that. Thanks jmcnaught |
| 06:13.59 | and0r | uassau you can read my thoughts |
| 06:14.31 | and0r | i was just thinking that any binary is reverable, at the very least be shear brute force |
| 06:14.36 | and0r | by* |
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| 06:15.53 | and0r | i need to stop thinking aloud |
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| 06:18.52 | Uassau | the program is to make autotracking a camera ptz license is timed and is situated in an xml file |
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| 06:20.25 | jmcnaught | Uassau: there might be a better channel than #debian to talk about this |
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| 06:24.38 | Zipf | Hi, im new to linux world. Im running a fresh install of Debian 7 wwheezy, ive plugged a TP-LINK model TG-3269 gbit pci lan card, since the onboard lan is only 10/100 |
| 06:24.42 | Zipf | using # lspci | egrep -i --color 'network|ethernet' |
| 06:25.01 | Zipf | i can see the board is there listed, but somehow when i plug the cable on it, it won't work |
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| 06:25.25 | Zipf | the nic came with a cd with drivers for linux, but i don't know how to "load" the drivers |
| 06:26.00 | rasc | can you paste the line from lspci for us? |
| 06:26.13 | Zipf | yes i sec plz |
| 06:28.06 | Uassau | any of you know a channel that speaks reverse engwnieering |
| 06:28.20 | Zipf | root@debian:/home/user# lspci | egrep -i --color 'network|ethernet' |
| 06:28.21 | Zipf | 00:07.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2) |
| 06:28.21 | Zipf | 01:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10) |
| 06:28.21 | Zipf | root@debian:/home/fry# |
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| 06:28.36 | rasc | !tell Zipf -about paste |
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| 06:29.48 | Zipf | i really sorry |
| 06:29.53 | Zipf | about the spam |
| 06:30.00 | Zipf | here it is |
| 06:30.02 | Zipf | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a15b9450/ |
| 06:31.01 | rozie | it wasn't spam. up to 4 lines is OK to paste, the old rule says |
| 06:31.38 | rozie | Zipf: what do you mean by: it won't work |
| 06:32.04 | rozie | how do you define working network card? |
| 06:32.23 | rozie | does it have leds? do they lit up when you plug cable? |
| 06:32.39 | Zipf | i don't know, when i started the fresh install of debian, ive plugged the cable on the nic, the lights were ON, when in fact it started install debian, lights truned off, and it won't work, if i plug the cable on the onboard nic, it goes fine |
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| 06:33.12 | Zipf | lighs gone off when it would check internet for the 1st updates if im not wrong |
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| 06:33.38 | rozie | OK, probably you need to load firmware |
| 06:33.42 | rozie | let me check |
| 06:34.25 | rasc | Zipf: paste the results of modprobe for us, please |
| 06:34.32 | Zipf | sec |
| 06:34.47 | rasc | ops |
| 06:34.50 | jmcnaught | Zipf: while you're at it "lspci -nn" will show the pciid |
| 06:34.53 | rasc | lsmod |
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| 06:35.52 | rozie | Zipf: probably install firmware-realtek package (from non-free section) |
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| 06:36.06 | Zipf | http://paste.debian.net/110613/ |
| 06:36.09 | Zipf | thats for lsmod |
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| 06:37.17 | rasc | r8169 is there |
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| 06:37.24 | rasc | it's not firmware |
| 06:37.34 | Zipf | modproble |
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| 06:37.35 | Zipf | http://paste.debian.net/110614/ |
| 06:38.02 | rasc | modprobe is my bad |
| 06:38.16 | Zipf | humm |
| 06:38.22 | Zipf | maybe i need use modproble -v |
| 06:38.26 | rozie | Zipf: take a look on dmesg when you plug/unplug cable |
| 06:38.34 | Zipf | ok |
| 06:38.41 | rozie | and provide ifconfig ouput pls |
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| 06:41.03 | Zipf | well |
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| 06:41.22 | Zipf | i have no clue what happened, but sundelly ive connected the cable on it, and it worked |
| 06:41.26 | Zipf | crazy |
| 06:41.42 | Zipf | http://paste.debian.net/110616/ |
| 06:42.18 | Derpadong | Zipf: is Debian already installed or no? |
| 06:42.33 | Zipf | yes it is |
| 06:42.45 | rozie | Zipf: so [solved]? probably you gave it the right plug this time ;) |
| 06:42.47 | jmcnaught | Zipf: it knew you were serious this time. Next time you're doing lspci for help in the channel, it's better to do "lspci -nn" to get the pciid so it's easier to check the hardware compatibility list |
| 06:43.21 | Zipf | ok |
| 06:43.51 | rasc | I just wanted some atention, it always happens. It is worse when the hardware wants to go for a walk. |
| 06:44.11 | Zipf | sorry im just new, was an windows only user for the last 15 years, i don't know how things really works on linux, but i'm trying learn daily, im just stuck on the basic stuff |
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| 06:44.32 | Zipf | it's a lot of stuff and cmds to learn to try start solve the things |
| 06:44.56 | jmcnaught | Zipf: no worries, it'll get easier with time :) |
| 06:44.58 | rasc | Zipf: soon you won't be able to stay away, don't worry |
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| 06:45.11 | Derpadong | Zipf: in a desktop environment or no! |
| 06:45.21 | Derpadong | ? |
| 06:45.27 | Zipf | yes, did the default install with desktop enviroment only |
| 06:45.30 | Zipf | running gnome |
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| 06:45.43 | Zipf | everyone told me i need run it as a pro, with no gui at all |
| 06:45.46 | Derpadong | Ah. |
| 06:45.52 | Zipf | but i cant, not at the moment |
| 06:45.59 | Derpadong | Zipf: lol |
| 06:46.02 | rasc | Zipf: it's the same setup as mine at home |
| 06:46.05 | Zipf | remember, 15 years with icons, and gui's, u cant just drop taht |
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| 06:46.10 | Derpadong | I run it as a pro. |
| 06:46.24 | Derpadong | I do it all terminal and bash scripting |
| 06:46.51 | Zipf | ive been gettin e-books and pdfs bibles, to try learn the basic, but it's a lot of stuff to read, i'm going setp by setp |
| 06:46.56 | Derpadong | I went from Arch to Debian and figured I could make bash do all my work for me. |
| 06:46.58 | rasc | the text interface is very useful for us to help you |
| 06:47.07 | Zipf | [03:45:48] <Derpadong> I do it all terminal and bash scripting <--- thats what i wanna do, someday :) |
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| 06:47.45 | Zipf | mainly, ive setup this machine to run an ftp server on it |
| 06:48.02 | Derpadong | I have some scripts nodded to my liking which install everything for me and grabs all my configs |
| 06:48.16 | jmcnaught | Zipf: as far as books go, The Debian Administrator's Handbook and Debian Reference are both very good. They can both be read online or installable as packages on your computer |
| 06:48.18 | Zipf | thats is PRO for sure :) |
| 06:48.26 | Zipf | i can do that also, on winblows :/ |
| 06:48.32 | Derpadong | Lol |
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| 06:49.11 | Zipf | but, thx for the help guys with the NIC, i'll start move some data to there now, and see if i can deal things |
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| 06:49.31 | rasc | Zipf: reboot first to see if stays OK |
| 06:49.33 | Derpadong | I'm deciding on if I should stick with Debian or Arch. Might go Debian but my only concern is setting up Skype on 64bit |
| 06:49.47 | Zipf | good idea |
| 06:49.55 | Derpadong | Do as he says |
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| 06:50.07 | Derpadong | He is more pro than me lol |
| 06:50.37 | Derpadong | I won't know what to do with 500GB of storage lol |
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| 06:52.05 | Zipf | ill get disconected, cause i have to setup NIC adress on my router to get the correct ip, but will reconect |
| 06:52.18 | rozie | Derpadong: seed some torrents. I have good ratio at Kali Linux, Tails. I also seed Debian images |
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| 06:53.23 | Derpadong | rozie: lol. I'm reading up on Skype on Debian 64 bit. Not so happy |
| 06:53.25 | Derpadong | Lol |
| 06:53.49 | jmcnaught | !lol |
| 06:53.50 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 06:54.28 | rozie | Derpadong: just add multiarch and install skype |
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| 06:55.52 | Derpadong | I just read that. Now to pick and choose my GUI to use and all the apps I want to use |
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| 06:56.12 | nurupo | does skype still require ~300mb of i386 compatibility libs? |
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| 06:56.21 | Derpadong | nurupo: yup |
| 06:56.24 | Derpadong | Lol |
| 06:57.03 | nurupo | i better just wait on Tox to replace Skype then |
| 06:57.22 | Derpadong | Tox? |
| 06:57.52 | rozie | nurupo: probably yes. it won't install on unstable |
| 06:58.26 | nurupo | Derpadong: https://tox.im/ |
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| 06:59.11 | rasc | "Make free and secure Tox to Tox calls." No VoIP? |
| 06:59.50 | nurupo | i think there is #tox |
| 07:00.04 | rozie | there's also retroshare for encrypted communication |
| 07:00.12 | Derpadong | Lol |
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| 07:01.03 | rozie | Derpadong: stop worshiping it! |
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| 07:01.25 | Derpadong | Huh? |
| 07:01.34 | Derpadong | Lol |
| 07:01.36 | rozie | Derpadong: LOL stands for Lucipher Our Lord ;-) |
| 07:01.43 | Derpadong | Oh. Ha |
| 07:01.53 | Derpadong | Its all good. I look evil |
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| 07:02.50 | rasc | rozie: only a problem if you are not a satanist |
| 07:02.52 | Derpadong | I wonder if bumping my 3GBs of ram to 4 would do anything good |
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| 07:04.29 | Zipf | nice |
| 07:04.45 | Zipf | it worked fine after reboot, and got the correct ip i set on router |
| 07:05.05 | Derpadong | Nicely done |
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| 07:05.23 | Zipf | now did an apt-get upgrade and its updated |
| 07:06.14 | Disconsented | I am trying to update mldonkey ("Torrent Server" from Turnkey linux) but the packages are only on sid and I am using wheezy. Is there a way to force install this? |
| 07:06.24 | afsal | is there any alternative for skype in debian |
| 07:06.30 | rasc | ,v mldonkey |
| 07:06.32 | judd | No package named 'mldonkey' was found in i386. |
| 07:06.33 | Derpadong | Zipf: learn about .bash_aliases and then setup the file the way you want it. |
| 07:06.57 | Derpadong | They are shortcuts for terminal basically |
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| 07:07.05 | Zipf | ok, will look about it right now |
| 07:07.54 | rasc | Disconsented: what is the name of the package? |
| 07:08.08 | Disconsented | mldonkey-server iirc |
| 07:08.16 | Derpadong | Lol |
| 07:08.21 | rasc | ,v mldonkey-server |
| 07:08.22 | judd | Package: mldonkey-server on i386 -- squeeze: 3.0.3-4; wheezy: 3.1.2-1; sid: 3.1.5-1 |
| 07:08.43 | rasc | Disconsented: are you using testing? |
| 07:08.54 | Disconsented | yes |
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| 07:09.33 | Disconsented | Erm I don't know acutaly |
| 07:09.49 | Derpadong | Error |
| 07:09.55 | rasc | It got removed because of a serious bug problably |
| 07:10.17 | jmcnaught | Disconsented: are you using Debian or Turnkey? |
| 07:10.23 | Disconsented | Turnkey |
| 07:10.34 | Disconsented | "Debian GNU/Linux 7.6 (wheezy)" |
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| 07:11.16 | Derpadong | Odd |
| 07:11.24 | jmcnaught | Disconsented: mldonkey-server is in Debian Wheezy. It looks like you're using a derivative of Wheezy that you'd need to get support from Turnkey for |
| 07:11.36 | rasc | We don't provide help to derivatives, we don't know what turnkey did to debian |
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| 07:12.16 | Disconsented | So I can't install packages on sid to wheezy? |
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| 07:12.39 | rasc | ,checkbackports mldonkey-server |
| 07:13.11 | jmcnaught | Disconsented: you shouldn't need to, the package you want is in Wheezy. Why not just use regular Debian instead of whatever broken derivative Turnkey has made? |
| 07:13.46 | Disconsented | Because it had someone other stuff packaged out of the box that I liked |
| 07:13.59 | Zipf | For a 4TB drive, is it better format it on ext3 or ext4 ? |
| 07:14.08 | jmcnaught | Disconsented: well like we said, Turnkey isn't supported here |
| 07:14.26 | Disconsented | But its Debian/? |
| 07:14.28 | Derpadong | Zipf: I recommend ext4 but its your choice |
| 07:14.46 | rasc | Disconsented: it's not |
| 07:14.50 | rozie | Disconsented: Turnkey is not Debian. |
| 07:14.53 | jmcnaught | !based on debian |
| 07:14.54 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 07:15.06 | Disconsented | hmm okay |
| 07:15.10 | Disconsented | Now since what I can only assume the answer to my question is no, I am going to install another OS and set up samba + transmission... again |
| 07:15.19 | Disconsented | thanks for your help reguardless |
| 07:15.24 | Derpadong | Debian = Debian, turnkey = spinoff of debian with their custom files |
| 07:15.32 | jmcnaught | Disconsented: it's probably easier to juse use Debian :) |
| 07:15.33 | rasc | Disconsented: I recomment debian, btw |
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| 07:15.35 | Zipf | i was following a tutorial, just asked cause the Seagate tutorial says to use ext4, and the tutorial i was reading says nothing about the drive size, just says format using ext3 |
| 07:16.05 | Derpadong | Zipf: ext4 is my choice |
| 07:16.13 | Zipf | got it |
| 07:16.43 | Disconsented | debain makes my old laptop feel sluggish |
| 07:16.51 | Disconsented | :| |
| 07:17.20 | rasc | debian can make a rapiberrypi feels responsive |
| 07:17.37 | Derpadong | Disconsented: it could be your desktop GUI or apps you run |
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| 07:18.02 | Disconsented | Enlighten me as to this black magic ( was running stock lxde linux + samba and transmission) |
| 07:18.12 | Derpadong | Ha |
| 07:18.23 | Derpadong | Never mind black magic man |
| 07:18.27 | rasc | samba and transmission on a laptop will be slughish even on a big server |
| 07:18.37 | Disconsented | it was slugish before that |
| 07:19.03 | rozie | Disconsented: what WM? |
| 07:19.06 | jmcnaught | Zipf: it might have been an old tutorial if it recommends ext3. In my experience there's a lot of outdated tutorials out there, sometimes with bad advice. In order of preference I'd look for info in Debian Reference, Handbook and other Debian manuals, the Debian wiki, and blogs/tutorials only to get a general overview or idea of how it all fits together |
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| 07:19.31 | Disconsented | w/ever was with stock wheezy |
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| 07:20.40 | jmcnaught | Zipf: every Debian package also hase documentation in /usr/share/doc/$packagename.. always good to check for a README.Debian file there. Also any command your using should have a man page which can be read with "man $command" (where $command is "ls" or "cp" for example) |
| 07:20.52 | rozie | well, I don't follow what WM comes with "stock Wheezy". stock Wheezy for me is just a base system, no WM at all |
| 07:21.14 | Disconsented | I said that as I don't know |
| 07:22.15 | rozie | so you don't know what you have installed. but it's sluggish. and it's Debian fault. |
| 07:22.18 | rozie | interesting. |
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| 07:22.24 | Shadow_7 | there's tasksel and dselect options to select things less randomly. |
| 07:22.27 | rasc | Disconsented: how old is it? |
| 07:22.34 | Disconsented | Laptop? |
| 07:22.38 | rasc | yeah |
| 07:22.43 | Disconsented | 3 years |
| 07:22.47 | rozie | age does not matter ;) |
| 07:22.49 | Disconsented | and its a piece of junk |
| 07:22.58 | rozie | what CPU and how much RAM? |
| 07:23.06 | rasc | did you get other distro to run fine? |
| 07:23.11 | Disconsented | celeron somthing or rather |
| 07:23.16 | Disconsented | 2gb ram |
| 07:23.29 | rozie | should work fine, with right WM |
| 07:23.42 | Disconsented | Never tried anything else other than turnkey and that felt like my recently upgrade W8 desktop |
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| 07:24.10 | rozie | can be slow with gnome/kde and fancy eye candy settings |
| 07:24.11 | rasc | turnkey is striped down |
| 07:24.21 | rasc | rozie: he said lxde |
| 07:24.32 | Disconsented | I realise that but my Pi felt faster |
| 07:24.43 | rozie | rasc: did he? must have missed that |
| 07:24.43 | Disconsented | and that is with xmbc on top of everything else |
| 07:24.50 | rasc | Disconsented: with raspibian? |
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| 07:25.06 | rasc | Disconsented: or debian? |
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| 07:25.28 | jmcnaught | 2GB of ram is plenty for LXDE, even Gnome could run in that. If it felt sluggish it was probably a video driver that needed to be configured |
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| 07:26.07 | jmcnaught | Disconsented: anyways, if you install proper Debian Wheezy and it still feels sluggish, you could come here and ask for help |
| 07:26.46 | Disconsented | I am installing debian atm, if it still feels bad then Ill give crunchbag a go |
| 07:27.15 | rasc | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.39 | Disconsented | the distro I am using with xbmc has both of those |
| 07:27.45 | Disconsented | and it doesn't feel as slow |
| 07:28.15 | jmcnaught | Disconsented: Linux distros generally all have the same software, the difference is how it gets configured. If any Linux distro runs fine, Debian should run fine too. It probably just needs some troubleshooting |
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| 07:31.14 | Shadow_7 | configuration and versioning is about the only difference |
| 07:31.30 | Shadow_7 | and/or availability. |
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| 08:05.29 | Shaganoz | Hi there why when im starting debian there are only cmmand line interface? |
| 08:05.54 | Shaganoz | Issit debian is without a graphic user interface at all? |
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| 08:06.05 | Shaganoz | Hmm |
| 08:06.33 | Shaganoz | Or maybe like something is like ubuntu maybe? |
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| 08:07.00 | themill | if you want a gui you need to install it first |
| 08:07.32 | Shaganoz | Ok |
| 08:07.39 | Shaganoz | how to install it |
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| 08:07.52 | Shaganoz | Apt-get how? |
| 08:08.12 | Shaganoz | im now on a black screen at the login where all is cli |
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| 08:09.12 | Shaganoz | i alrd enter my username and pass ok im in betrayer@betrayer:~$ |
| 08:09.23 | Shaganoz | How do we start to go with gui? |
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| 08:13.45 | Gemclip | I am still learning the basics. how would I remove a non empty directory in Debian from the command line. I tried rmdir -R <dirname> and -r and -ri |
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| 08:16.09 | Gemclip | Ahh i see just using rm instead of rmdir |
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| 08:32.17 | narcislinux | how should i do whit this proble? http://paste.debian.net/110626 |
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| 08:38.18 | Betrayer | hi |
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| 08:38.34 | Betrayer | how to get debian runninn on GUI mode |
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| 08:38.44 | Betrayer | what is the name to apt-get it? |
| 08:38.53 | Betrayer | do it need internet connection for that? |
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| 08:40.11 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, read about window managers, pick one you like |
| 08:41.05 | Betrayer | Rodrigo_: how to get in window manager from start at debian login? |
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| 08:41.39 | Betrayer | after login the username and password |
| 08:42.28 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, you must choose which one window manager to use, then install it with apt-get |
| 08:43.30 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, I think the default one for Debian is gnome, so you can do 'apt-get install gnome' |
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| 08:44.34 | Betrayer | type it on the black screen as it is in CMD |
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| 08:44.52 | Betrayer | apt-get install gnome? |
| 08:44.57 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, yeah |
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| 08:45.30 | Rodrigo_ | and prepare for a 0.5GB download :) |
| 08:45.45 | Betrayer | ok |
| 08:45.51 | Betrayer | before that how to get login as root? |
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| 08:46.10 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, the same way you do it already |
| 08:46.10 | Betrayer | after the computer start and load the debian OS |
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| 08:47.07 | Betrayer | ok i need a vice versa work around |
| 08:47.10 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, im pretty sure it will install gdm by installing gnome. it means that computer will boot into the nice X screen |
| 08:47.31 | Rodrigo_ | vice-versa what ? |
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| 08:48.07 | Betrayer | so after i type this command apt-get install gnome and nextime if im starting my computer shall it will start as CLI or GUI? |
| 08:48.27 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, GUI I think (but not sure) |
| 08:48.36 | Betrayer | den how do i go back to add programs and remove the programs? |
| 08:48.55 | Betrayer | must be in login as root and in the CLI mode right? |
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| 08:49.00 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, if it doenst boot into GUI, just do "apt-get install gdm" |
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| 08:49.33 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, sorry, the correct is "apt-get install gdm3" |
| 08:49.43 | Rodrigo_ | for Wheezy at leastz thats |
| 08:50.09 | Betrayer | yeah its was wheezy i got juz now mate |
| 08:50.19 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, no, you can log as root with GUI as well |
| 08:50.56 | Betrayer | im confusing how to run the debian into a GUI mode den im about to installing windows again and get to irc |
| 08:51.05 | Betrayer | pretty poor for a startup duhh.. |
| 08:51.15 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, what you call GUI is called "X window system" |
| 08:51.20 | Betrayer | i think gonna start install debian again |
| 08:51.49 | Betrayer | OK |
| 08:52.06 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, why start over? You broke your install already :) |
| 08:52.10 | Betrayer | so there is exactly a CLI and GUI in debian not as completly only refer to CLI right |
| 08:52.30 | Betrayer | i juz reformat the system drive back to windows 7 again |
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| 08:52.46 | Betrayer | well i think dual boot will works this time |
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| 08:53.38 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, the GUI youre saying, is just a resource. you can call X (GUI) from the command line. You can start a X session and open a terminal (CLI) from that etc |
| 08:53.46 | Betrayer | as i got 4 partition on my single internal hardisk and one another 700gb hardisk on my system |
| 08:53.52 | Rodrigo_ | you can boot and start right over the GUI |
| 08:54.04 | Rodrigo_ | or just the CLI |
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| 08:54.40 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, its windows 7? |
| 08:54.57 | Betrayer | ya |
| 08:55.37 | Betrayer | but its weired actually when i restarting my computer loaded with debian recently it keep bring me to CLI and im a bit confuse how to get a GUI or this windows X system |
| 08:55.50 | Rodrigo_ | I remember having trouble with dual boot, if windows 7 had the rescue partition... hmm, not sure if it was really the cause but, i got it working after getting rid of the rescue partition |
| 08:56.26 | Rodrigo_ | the *recovery partition |
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| 08:57.39 | Betrayer | hmm i think i only get the win7 installer and a debian-7.6.0-i386-CD-1 but that still learning how to operate this things out |
| 08:58.21 | Betrayer | id remember when installing debian its alrd have the option to do something with the partition |
| 08:58.56 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, the installed will ask what type of partitioner to use, automatic, manual etc |
| 08:59.08 | Betrayer | whether to delete or just overwrite the disk for me when i overwrite the disk it mean replacing the old win7 has in it already |
| 08:59.18 | Betrayer | its automatic |
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| 08:59.41 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, best thing is just leave a empty space on the HD, without any partition. installer will pick that for linux |
| 09:00.05 | Betrayer | ok |
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| 09:00.46 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, anyway, must take care and read everything it says, theres a risk that it wipe out your w7 install |
| 09:01.04 | Betrayer | yup |
| 09:01.05 | Rodrigo_ | Betrayer, I mean, its easy to make mistakes on the partitioner step |
| 09:01.19 | Betrayer | im going to read over the maual again |
| 09:01.45 | Betrayer | and when i get another question i will go and ask here |
| 09:01.52 | Betrayer | thank mate |
| 09:02.03 | Rodrigo_ | np, good luck! :) |
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| 09:06.18 | dragutux | hi anyone knowing if its normal that boost 1.49 doesnt have log ? |
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| 09:09.08 | Dudytz | hi all .. I am searching for an alternative to openvpn, is there a lightweight and "easy to setup" open source alternative? |
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| 09:10.09 | dragutux | tor |
| 09:10.26 | dragutux | you can setup a private node i guess |
| 09:10.54 | formorer | Dudytz: what is your problem with openvpn? |
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| 09:10.59 | Dudytz | i think that tor is not specific for vpn and have a big overhead |
| 09:11.31 | Dudytz | years ago I read about a much simple tool that openvpn, but I not remember the name |
| 09:12.07 | formorer | openvpn is braindead simple. but you are probably talking about tinc |
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| 09:13.44 | nkuttler | Dudytz: which problem are you trying to solve anyway? |
| 09:14.06 | Dudytz | connect several VPS machines |
| 09:14.24 | Dudytz | on different providers |
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| 09:17.33 | mechanicalduck_ | hi |
| 09:17.54 | mechanicalduck_ | Are there any 'special' packages I should install on a Debian server? |
| 09:18.04 | mechanicalduck_ | molly-guard proved to be quite useful |
| 09:18.06 | mechanicalduck_ | (for example) |
| 09:18.31 | nkuttler | mechanicalduck_: a backup client |
| 09:19.43 | mechanicalduck_ | nkuttler: Backup client = for storing backups on the server? |
| 09:20.06 | formorer | for doing backups of the server to a backup server |
| 09:20.14 | nkuttler | mechanicalduck_: no, to back it up. i find it a little scary that you find molly-guard useful, hence the recommendation |
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| 09:21.56 | mechanicalduck_ | :D |
| 09:22.22 | mechanicalduck_ | formorer / nkuttler: Good point. But that backup client requires some inbound-able connection to a backup server, right? |
| 09:22.46 | nkuttler | mechanicalduck_: that depends on the client i guess |
| 09:23.45 | mechanicalduck_ | But there must be also a backup server. Who backups the backup server? |
| 09:24.03 | nkuttler | usually an archive host |
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| 09:30.11 | mechanicalduck_ | nkuttler: They aren't free, right? (naive) |
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| 09:31.23 | nkuttler | mechanicalduck_: what isn't free? servers? |
| 09:31.34 | yottanami | I want to apt-get update but I got Hash Sum mismatch error how can I fix it ? |
| 09:32.46 | mechanicalduck_ | nkuttler: yes, an archive server |
| 09:35.02 | babilen | yottanami: Use a different mirror (e.g. http.debian.net) or wait |
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| 09:39.28 | Gemclip | how do I clear my history (keyboard history) |
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| 09:40.54 | mechanicalduck_ | Gemclip: You mean the console / bash command history? |
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| 09:41.04 | Gemclip | yes please |
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| 09:44.52 | Gemclip | got it history -c |
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| 09:45.19 | mechanicalduck_ | Gemclip: no |
| 09:45.23 | mechanicalduck_ | nkuttler: This alone is not sufficient. |
| 09:45.24 | anton02 | for some reason when i change the txpower of my wifi adapter, it still remains at 19dB |
| 09:45.28 | mechanicalduck_ | Gemclip: http://askubuntu.com/questions/191999/how-to-clear-bash-history-completely |
| 09:45.30 | mechanicalduck_ | nkuttler: sorry, wrong nickname |
| 09:45.37 | mechanicalduck_ | nkuttler: damn nick autocompletion again |
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| 09:45.46 | mechanicalduck_ | Gemclip: This alone is not sufficient. |
| 09:45.58 | mechanicalduck_ | Gemclip: If you only use history -c, the commands will be still there. |
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| 09:47.34 | mechanicalduck_ | Gemclip: Depending on the sensitivity of the entered commands, even consider (a) somehow can still / did read them (although quite improbable (but not impossible!)) (the admin (root) for example) and (b) even to wipe the empty disk space to be really sure. |
| 09:48.04 | mechanicalduck_ | Gemclip: In every open terminal issue `history -w && history -c` |
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| 09:49.14 | FuzzyWhirlpool | soft linking ~/.bash_history to /dev/null maybe better. |
| 09:49.21 | Gemclip | i looked in the man and info pages i didnt see an explaination of -w |
| 09:49.38 | Gemclip | or -c lol for that matter. I seen that in google |
| 09:50.20 | mechanicalduck_ | Gemclip: this one is also nice as it explains how to remove only selected portions of history: http://rawsyntax.com/blog/learn-bash-remove-commands-from-your-history/ |
| 09:52.30 | Gemclip | perfect. Thanks for the help |
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| 09:53.17 | Gemclip | 6 am guess its time for bed |
| 09:53.37 | Gemclip | thanks again for the help |
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| 09:54.14 | croddy | if you export HISTIGNORE=" *", then you can prevent them from ever landing there, if you think ahead. all you have to do is put a space at the beginning of the line |
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| 10:02.01 | martin-_- | hi, i try to enable ipsec support for my kernel 2.4.20. when i execute make menuconfig I'm not able to find under network ipsec |
| 10:02.37 | formorer | 2.4? 2.4?? |
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| 10:03.05 | formorer | 2.4.20 is from 2002. |
| 10:03.46 | martin-_- | yes it the kernel from an old nas |
| 10:03.53 | martin-_- | *is |
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| 10:05.10 | formorer | martin-_-: ipsec makes no sense on this kernel. everyone can have root to it whenever they want |
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| 10:06.11 | martin-_- | damnit - i want to support ikev2 on this machine |
| 10:06.27 | ompaul | if you have hardware from 2002 you should go get something better |
| 10:06.38 | ompaul | you are well past MTBF |
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| 10:08.13 | martin-_- | is it possible to upgrade the kernel from 2.4.0 to a newer one for this sparc machine? |
| 10:08.42 | martin-_- | http://wiki.dietpc.org/index.php/DIET-PC_on_SPARC_ReadyNAS |
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| 10:09.44 | notmarc | anyone here familiar with regex? |
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| 10:10.26 | ompaul | martin-_-: read the gotchas on the foot of your own link |
| 10:10.30 | ompaul | !ask |
| 10:10.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 10:12.22 | dokma | how do I detect where my compose key is atm? |
| 10:12.44 | martin-_- | ompaul, what kernel version would you recommend for this machine? |
| 10:12.47 | martin-_- | *which |
| 10:12.55 | ompaul | none - I'd get rid of it |
| 10:12.56 | dokma | I'm on Wheezy/XFCE4 |
| 10:13.23 | dokma | ompaul, machine or the kernel? |
| 10:13.24 | dokma | ;) |
| 10:13.50 | ompaul | dokma: not aimed at you - you might try xev |
| 10:14.01 | dokma | ompaul, I know it's now |
| 10:14.05 | dokma | I messing with you a bit |
| 10:14.18 | ompaul | notmarc: if you don't ask the question nobody knows if they know or don't know the answer to the question |
| 10:14.33 | ompaul | says that's what someone sed |
| 10:14.38 | ompaul | awk awk awk |
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| 10:15.22 | notmarc | sorry, trying to figure it out for myself, hurting my idiot head |
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| 10:15.44 | notmarc | i have ircu on my nix box, and trying to get bopm to read the connexit notices. |
| 10:15.45 | notmarc | *** Notice -- Client connecting: Guest_1013 (~Guest@118.174.137.43) [118.174.137.43] {Other} [Guest] <ACAem> |
| 10:15.56 | notmarc | that's what it looks like in status. it needs to look something like... |
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| 10:16.08 | notmarc | \\*\\*\\* Notice -- Client connecting: ([^ ]+) \\(([^@]+)@([^\\)]+)\\) \\[([0-9\\.]+)\\].*" |
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| 10:16.17 | notmarc | i know that ones not correct, but you get the idea. |
| 10:17.09 | ompaul | I'm not even going to try - it's too much sunday no coffee |
| 10:17.43 | ompaul | ,v ircu |
| 10:17.44 | judd | No package named 'ircu' was found in i386. |
| 10:17.54 | ompaul | so it's not even a debian package |
| 10:17.58 | notmarc | possibly undernet-ircu |
| 10:17.58 | ompaul | off with you to ircu land |
| 10:18.34 | notmarc | ircd-ircu - Undernet IRC Server daemon |
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| 10:19.41 | ompaul | they'd know their regex one would imagine |
| 10:19.57 | ompaul | you could ask in #bash |
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| 10:36.31 | dragutux | hi anyone knowing if its normal that boost 1.49 doesnt have log ? |
| 10:36.41 | dragutux | (the debian stable version of boost) |
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| 10:37.11 | some-cowbell | ,info boost |
| 10:37.12 | judd | No package named 'boost' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 10:37.30 | some-cowbell | is it libboost or something?] |
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| 10:39.27 | dragutux | yes |
| 10:39.39 | dragutux | boost dev & lib for stable.. |
| 10:39.48 | dragutux | ,info libbost1.49-all-dev |
| 10:39.49 | judd | No package named 'libbost1.49-all-dev' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 10:40.01 | dragutux | ,info libboost1.49-all-dev |
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| 10:41.38 | nkuttler | dragutux: are you using ubuntu or something? |
| 10:41.39 | Tiberio | hi all, how to set locales to have english lenguage in a italian environment? I want comma to be decimal splitter (no thousand splitter like in imperial system) |
| 10:41.47 | ompaul | ,v libboost |
| 10:41.50 | Tiberio | so I'd like en_IT.UTF-8 |
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| 10:42.03 | dragutux | nkuttler, infamy. |
| 10:42.06 | dragutux | debian wheezy |
| 10:42.09 | ompaul | dragutux: it's in jessy |
| 10:42.14 | ompaul | jessie |
| 10:42.14 | dragutux | k |
| 10:42.18 | nkuttler | ah |
| 10:42.35 | dragutux | jessie = testing right ? |
| 10:42.40 | ompaul | so 1.49 is not in stable |
| 10:42.42 | nkuttler | dragutux: right now, yes |
| 10:42.52 | ompaul | ,v libboost1.49 |
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| 10:43.01 | ompaul | meh |
| 10:43.15 | nkuttler | ,v libboost1.49-dev |
| 10:43.32 | dragutux | upgrading the beast |
| 10:43.35 | ompaul | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libboost-dev |
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| 10:43.41 | ompaul | it's there |
| 10:43.56 | ompaul | anyhow no idea about logging and it |
| 10:44.05 | dragutux | boost guys told me it was added after 1.49 |
| 10:44.06 | nkuttler | apparently logging is there since 1.54 |
| 10:44.09 | dragutux | could be why |
| 10:44.42 | ompaul | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libboost-dev and 55 is in there |
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| 10:45.57 | dragutux | bracing myself for the hiccups brb |
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| 10:49.05 | Disconsented | So I broke somthing:http://pastebin.com/GiCwWCyJ Trying to install transmission and its spouting somthing about a media change. I installed it off a flash drive and it reboots just fine so idk whats wrong |
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| 10:52.32 | judd | An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 10:52.33 | judd | No package named 'libboost' was found in i386. |
| 10:52.34 | judd | No package named 'libboost1.49' was found in i386. |
| 10:52.34 | judd | Package: libboost1.49-dev on i386 -- wheezy: 1.49.0-3.2; sid: 1.49.0-4+b4 |
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| 10:53.07 | some-cowbell | ooohhh, bad berries! |
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| 10:53.26 | ompaul | Disconsented: remove the CD lines from /etc/apt/sources.list then do apt-get update && apt-get install whatever |
| 10:53.37 | ompaul | Disconsented: it will resolve what you want |
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| 10:54.52 | Disconsented | Uhm that file is blank |
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| 10:57.13 | some-cowbell | horses.list? |
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| 12:15.57 | aberlin | Hello, I want to write my personal diary on my laptop, i want it secure and relaiabale: I thought of following concept: I have an full encryptet Linux inside of this system i want to use an also encrypted debian in a VM, there i want to use git and latex to write my diary ? |
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| 12:21.03 | ompaul | aberlin: whatever you want to do -git looks out of place in a diary - create doc drop into tree move on |
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| 12:21.26 | ompaul | encrypt each doc but the question of what is the threat is really how you plan your security |
| 12:21.53 | ompaul | can you trust the cyphers you have at your disposal |
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| 12:29.24 | viccuad | just encript it with gpg and you are done |
| 12:29.45 | viccuad | too much convoluting and over-engineering, unless its something higly ilegal |
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| 12:31.16 | Psych0n4ut | Hi guys, is there any list where I can check what /etc/ subfolders are needed at boot before mouting ? |
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| 12:44.09 | meek_geek | yo |
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| 12:53.40 | snip_ | i've just installed debian, but the wifi wasn't installed because of "proprietary firmware"; now that the installation is finished, how should i add the wifi? |
| 12:54.02 | tensorpudding | What wifi is it? |
| 12:54.51 | snip_ | tensorpudding: how can i know? |
| 12:55.46 | amphorion | snip_, lspci, lsusb |
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| 12:56.48 | osmo_SMS | snip_: lshw |
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| 12:58.02 | Dmitry | Hello |
| 12:58.08 | Dmitry | I have installed Debian 7.5.0 and found that Installer removed the Boot flag from Windows 7 partition. (I did manual partitioning, but I did not change Windows 7 partition settings). Neither Windows 7 nor Debian did start. (`MBR Error 1 \n Press any key to boot from floppy`). I solved the problem by loading from USB flash drive into the Debian Live system and setting the boot flag in Gparted back. Why did it happen? |
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| 12:58.31 | snip_ | tensorpudding:amphorion: osmo_SMS: intel corporation centrino wireless -N 135 |
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| 12:59.10 | osmo_SMS | snip_: oh, u have a laptop? right? |
| 12:59.15 | snip_ | yes |
| 12:59.46 | tensorpudding | snip_: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 13:00.22 | osmo_SMS | snip_: follow this: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Wicd |
| 13:00.24 | tensorpudding | You'll have to get online through a wired Ethernet connection, then add non-free repositories and install the firmware-iwlwifi package. |
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| 13:01.04 | tensorpudding | Then reboot and it should have the module loaded and NetworkManager or wicd or whatever will detect it. |
| 13:01.11 | snip_ | ok i'll try |
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| 13:02.01 | tensorpudding | Or I guess you can manually install the packages from another computer and transfer them over USB to the laptop. |
| 13:02.27 | tensorpudding | Err, manually download, and then manually install them on the laptop using 'dpkg -i' |
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| 13:02.49 | tensorpudding | That's if hooking it up through wired Internet isn't an option for some reason. |
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| 13:07.54 | ompaul | Dmitry: I don't run dual boot systems, haven't run windows in years but this or that may help you: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s05.html.en http://linuxcommando.blogspot.ie/2013/12/dual-booting-debian-wheezy-and-windows-7.html |
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| 13:14.24 | dFence | hey guys! are there any implications I need to look out for when I try to run debian in combination with an android-kernel? |
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| 13:16.29 | aberlin | ompaul, viccuad : thank you for the tipps, i post this in an other board anyway, i just want to reduce possible flaws in the concept |
| 13:18.12 | Dmitry | ompaul: Thanks for response, but my question is not how to make dual boot. I'm asking: Why Installer remove boot flag from other partition? Is it correct behavior or a bug? |
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| 13:20.47 | ompaul | Dmitry: we didn't see what you did, if you have a video I guess you will see the advice that is in the second one about efi might just apply. But without a complete and true picture of what you did, not what you thought you did, one cannot be sure. |
| 13:21.41 | ompaul | Dmitry: if you can't parse that, the second one explains how such a situation could come about. |
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| 13:23.10 | Dmitry | Ok. I just thought that if before installing there was boot flag on some partition, Installer shouldn't touch it without asking user. |
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| 13:24.18 | Dmitry | Also you should know that I didn't install grub (I plan to start Debian from usb flash, but it's another story) |
| 13:24.24 | ompaul | efi is efi and bios is bios |
| 13:24.38 | ompaul | Dmitry: if you feel it is a bug please file it. |
| 13:24.47 | ompaul | irc is not a bug report place ;-) |
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| 13:26.17 | Dmitry | What do you mean by "efi is efi and bios is bios"? My machine is on BIOS. |
| 13:26.26 | snip_ | the wifi is now working, are there drivers for the touchpad so that i can scroll or stuff like that? |
| 13:26.44 | dvs | scroll? |
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| 13:28.07 | ompaul | and the installer may have used efi please read the post again |
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| 13:28.32 | snip_ | dvs: when you pass two fingers on the touchpad generally you can scroll (i can do that on windows after installing the synaptics drivers) |
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| 13:29.13 | ompaul | dvs: what is the don't break debian factoid? |
| 13:29.19 | ompaul | can't remember |
| 13:29.45 | some-cowbell | Aren't they all that? |
| 13:30.00 | ompaul | there is one very specific one |
| 13:30.30 | some-cowbell | do you remember the gist of the value? |
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| 13:30.51 | ompaul | yeah explicitly don't break stuff by doing $wrong things |
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| 13:31.08 | ompaul | that was the result |
| 13:31.17 | some-cowbell | was there a list of wrong things or something like that? |
| 13:31.40 | some-cowbell | maybe you could find it using listvals |
| 13:31.50 | amphorion | snip_, http://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.6/doc/man/man4/synaptics.4.xhtml |
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| 13:32.21 | Dmitry | ompaul: I don't have video, sorry. I have just found some related bugreport - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=733049 |
| 13:32.31 | dvs | snip_: I can scroll like that in Linux right now. |
| 13:32.36 | ompaul | debianunbroken |
| 13:32.42 | ompaul | !debianunbroken |
| 13:32.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debianunbroken is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 13:32.46 | snip_ | dvs: doesn't work on my fresh install |
| 13:32.48 | ompaul | that;s the one |
| 13:32.51 | snip_ | amphorion: how do i install it? |
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| 13:34.04 | vyadhaka | how to check which flavour debian I have installed, the kernel has 686 at the end and it's 32bit, I thought it should say i386 |
| 13:34.22 | ompaul | uname -a |
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| 13:34.36 | some-cowbell | easier to remember if you name the factoid dontbreakdebian? |
| 13:34.47 | some-cowbell | or add the name somehow |
| 13:34.55 | amphorion | snip_, apt-get -f install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, but i think it is installed.. |
| 13:35.28 | ompaul | someone might alias it but right now debianunbroken is good enough for me - my brain is complaining about being awake and it is almost mid afternoon |
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| 13:38.54 | vyadhaka | ompaul: uname -a output is > 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Tue May 13 16:33:32 UTC 2014 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:39.48 | some-cowbell | vyadhaka: also look at /etc/debian_version |
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| 13:40.05 | ompaul | vyadhaka: 2.6.32-5-686 your version number |
| 13:40.39 | amphorion | snip_, you have to set it up properly.. :-) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Advanced_configuration |
| 13:40.43 | dvs | squeeze? |
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| 13:42.16 | snip_ | amphorion: thanks |
| 13:42.19 | tensorpudding | snip_: Two-finger scrolling might be an option you have to set in your desktop environment. |
| 13:42.42 | Dmitry | How do I enter to expert install from Debian Live DVD? |
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| 13:44.57 | vyadhaka | some-cowbell: version no is 6.0.9, what I want to find out is if the flavor I installed is part of the l |
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| 13:45.03 | vyadhaka | LT support |
| 13:45.12 | rebelos | shay_shay, |
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| 13:47.15 | shay_shay | ya |
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| 13:51.16 | l_r | hello |
| 13:51.46 | l_r | i wonder if there is a way to get an official prebuilt .deb for gcc 4.9.1 .. |
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| 13:51.53 | vyadhaka | can someone please tell me if i686 is part of the long term support, release notes says i386 is, I did not find any info on 686 |
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| 13:52.25 | Dmitry | I don't see any Expert install options in Advanced. How do I enter to expert install? |
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| 13:53.50 | ksdncv | hello again, is there a way to check if kernel on oldstable is safe from this bug? http://neil.brown.name/blog/20120615073245 recent 3.2 and 3.4 dont get network working properly, and 2.6 are available on oldstable only |
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| 13:58.54 | gnoid | Dmitry: забÑли как ÑÑо делаеÑÑÑ ) |
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| 14:01.27 | karvas | I have debian 7.6 wheezy (fresh install) and I tried to install openjdk-7 via apt-get but "java -version" still says 1.6. What do I need to do? maybe purge openjdk-6 ? |
| 14:02.02 | dvs | update-java-alternatives ? |
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| 14:04.44 | Dmitry | gnoid: No, I know. It was Advanced Options -> Expert Install. But in Live DVD there is only "Hardware detection tool (HDT)" and "Memory Diagnostic Tool (memtest86+)" in Advanced options. |
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| 14:05.23 | shay_shay | hello. whats the commabd to check backport deps with judd? |
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| 14:06.06 | jelly-home | shay_shay: /msg judd checkbackport |
| 14:06.25 | jordila | dear #debian community , how can configure my Debian 7 in order to automatically delete downloaded packages after installation ? |
| 14:06.32 | jordila | thanks for your attention |
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| 14:07.27 | jelly-home | jordila: is manually running "aptitude clean" after a successful installation or upgrade not good enough? |
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| 14:07.59 | jordila | jelly-home i was trying to go further... |
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| 14:08.25 | jordila | as long as i've seen the ubuntu guys have GUI guided setup for... |
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| 14:09.02 | karvas | dvs: I tried update-java-alternatives but it says "Error: no alternatives for mozilla-javaplugin.so". Any advice? |
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| 14:10.14 | karvas | dvs: ok nvm thanks it worked now |
| 14:10.23 | karvas | thank you for the hint dvs |
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| 14:10.44 | gribouille | where does debian mount a hard disk when it is plugged? |
| 14:10.45 | dvs | np |
| 14:10.57 | dvs | gribouille: /media |
| 14:11.34 | gribouille | dvs, /media/usb0? |
| 14:11.42 | dvs | i guess |
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| 14:12.58 | betrayer | hi dvs |
| 14:13.20 | gribouille | how can I configure the system to mount the fils system to a directory in /media using as name the label of the file system? |
| 14:13.20 | dvs | hi? |
| 14:13.37 | betrayer | how do i go to specific part or navigate through my partition in debian |
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| 14:14.01 | dvs | betrayer: I don't know what you mean |
| 14:14.32 | betrayer | let say my deb installed on c drive when it on windows and how do i get H: drive in another location |
| 14:14.32 | jaakkos | gribouille: add it to fstab with LABEL=yourlabel as the first column |
| 14:14.48 | betrayer | browse file in another part of the hardrive |
| 14:15.02 | jaakkos | gribouille: hmm, i'm not sure what you were asking. |
| 14:15.16 | dvs | betrayer: it has to be mounted in order to do that. |
| 14:15.18 | betrayer | ok nvm |
| 14:15.37 | betrayer | i connect my phone via bluetooth |
| 14:15.54 | jaakkos | gribouille: the fstab thing is probably not what you want. |
| 14:15.59 | betrayer | how do i get connected to the internet network ? |
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| 14:16.55 | betrayer | using bluetooth |
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| 14:17.16 | gribouille | jaakkos, of course not |
| 14:18.01 | snip_ | what's the best lightweight browser i can use on debian/lxde? |
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| 14:21.28 | dvs | betrayer: no idea |
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| 14:23.52 | wulllst | hey there, i want to to perfom a cpu stress test on an older laptop. the cpu is an intel pentium 4. the debian cpuburn package offers "burnP5" and "burnP6". Neither of them explicitly says: "if it's a pentium 4, use me." |
| 14:24.23 | wulllst | so which one do i use for that cpu? |
| 14:26.59 | dutchfish | wulllst, have you tried burnmmx ? (same package) |
| 14:27.26 | wulllst | wulllst: no |
| 14:27.34 | wulllst | dutchfish: no |
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| 14:27.56 | dutchfish | wulllst, cpuburn: /usr/bin/burnMMX |
| 14:28.05 | wulllst | dutchfish: doesn't that also test the RAM? |
| 14:28.29 | dutchfish | wulllst, read the manpage, but no |
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| 14:29.12 | wulllst | dutchfish: ok. i'll give it a try with burnMMX. thanks |
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| 14:29.27 | dutchfish | wulllst, for memtesting: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/memtest86 |
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| 14:30.11 | wulllst | dutchfish: right- |
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| 14:30.49 | wulllst | dutchfish: i was just asking abaout the memory testing since i already had memtest run for 8h on that machine. |
| 14:31.02 | dutchfish | wulllst, ah ok |
| 14:31.42 | dutchfish | wulllst, while running cpuburn monitor temperature, so you ar enot destroying that cpu |
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| 14:33.32 | dutchfish | wulllst, older laptops are not designed to run at the max edge continously |
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| 14:34.47 | wulllst | dutchfish: ok, what would you suggest then? not to perfom a stress test o the cpu? |
| 14:35.04 | wulllst | dutchfish: ok, i will monitor the cpu tem |
| 14:35.06 | wulllst | p |
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| 14:35.55 | dutchfish | wulllst, i would rather monitor temps, and do short tests, just to see if cooling is apropriate, newer cpu's have thermal shutdown, but you want to avoid that as well |
| 14:36.11 | wulllst | dutchfish: on this machine this would be done with "acpi -t" |
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| 14:36.47 | wulllst | dutchfish: however, it is quite futile to always hit enter to monitor the cpu temp |
| 14:36.51 | dutchfish | wulllst, that or a temperature probe on the cooler block |
| 14:37.04 | wulllst | dutchfish: how that? |
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| 14:38.11 | dutchfish | wulllst, nvm if you can read the temp by any means that will do for a rough estimation |
| 14:38.51 | wulllst | dutchfish: ok |
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| 14:43.45 | linuxator | http://paste.debian.net/110644/ ,how to fix this? |
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| 14:45.13 | Brigo | linuxator, and you have, of course, internet connection. |
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| 14:45.41 | Brigo | linuxator, if yes, did you tray doing apt-get update, first? |
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| 14:46.21 | shay_shay | thanks jelly-home . i wish there was a way to list the commands on that bot so i only have to memorize one command |
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| 14:47.51 | PalyaPix | o |
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| 14:48.05 | gribouille | I have two identical usb disks with labels backup1 and backup2; when I mount them using "udisksctl mount -b", the first is mounted at /media/$USER/backup1 and the second is mounted at /media/usb0. what does that mean? |
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| 14:48.30 | wulllst | the manpage of cpuburn says: "The programs produce no output, but signal hardware errors by a return code or (more likely) your machine locking up." Does that imply that the error code will be geiven to me in the form of an error message in the terminal window running the respective burn test? |
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| 14:51.12 | jelly-home | shay_shay: http://ircbots.debian.net/judd |
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| 14:51.50 | gribouille | what is the udev rules that determines how hard disks are mounted? |
| 14:53.07 | jelly-home | wulllst: "return code" can be figured out by looking at the $? variable in the shell right after running a command; it's not in the output |
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| 14:53.35 | jelly-home | wulllst: eg. "/bin/false; res=$?; echo return code was $res" |
| 14:55.17 | gribouille | what is the udev rules that determines how hard disks are mounted? |
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| 14:56.06 | wulllst | jelly-home: ok, thanks, now i understand "burnP5 || echo $?" |
| 14:57.07 | gribouille | what is the udev rules that determines how hard disks are mounted? |
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| 14:58.16 | phogg | gribouille: udev doesn't determine that, /etc/fstab does |
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| 14:59.25 | gribouille | phogg, I'm talking about drives that are plugged while the system is running |
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| 15:19.11 | ricepooding | guys, are the binaries that i install using apt-get signed with the same key as the source packages that i download with apt-get source? |
| 15:19.37 | formorer | binaries are not signed. |
| 15:19.55 | ricepooding | aren't they? |
| 15:20.01 | formorer | no, they don't have too |
| 15:20.15 | formorer | the packages file containing the checksums is signed. |
| 15:20.20 | ricepooding | surely they're validated some way then -- perhaps with checksums |
| 15:20.23 | ricepooding | ah |
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| 15:21.09 | Edward_Snowden | hello |
| 15:21.27 | ricepooding | well, how about the packages file -- is that signed with the same key as source packages? I ask because when apt-get source-ing a package, GPG complains about the key not being recognised and I know that's because I don't have debian-keyring installed but it had me wondering |
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| 15:23.21 | formorer | ricepooding: the dsc is signed by the developers key |
| 15:23.43 | formorer | the Packages file by the archive's key |
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| 15:23.56 | revolve | apt sid is 404ing |
| 15:24.02 | apt | ...but sid is already something else... |
| 15:24.12 | ricepooding | okay, i got it, cheers guys :P |
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| 15:24.50 | revolve | then who's on third? |
| 15:25.08 | revolve | but yeah, sid main, cant get python-dev |
| 15:25.48 | centrx | revolve, apt-get update |
| 15:25.54 | revolve | ty |
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| 15:26.47 | centrx | revolve, If you are not familiar with Debian you are going to run into issues with sid that you do not know how to work around |
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| 15:31.07 | ksdncv | why so much trouble, now finally got 2.6 kernel up, but where before (on 3.2 kernel) console switched from 80x25 during boot (already after pivoting root, runlevel related) now get a black screen with some random pixels, any clue what the offending package that switches mode is or how to disable that? |
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| 15:46.11 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: you need to pass the videomode in grub, to avoid the vesa-modes |
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| 15:46.17 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: I hate the vesa-modes |
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| 15:46.44 | ksdncv | its not that hate them when they work, but getting a black screen with a line of random pixels on top is quite annoying |
| 15:47.17 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: yeah |
| 15:47.22 | ksdncv | going to check that videomode option, thanks |
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| 15:48.04 | ksdncv | thought was something done in userspace though, as it boots normally for 9 seconds, and something kills the video output at that point |
| 15:48.20 | ksdncv | last timestamp get to read before screen gets black is [9.somenumber] |
| 15:48.32 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: its when the kernel loads modules - I think |
| 15:49.44 | ksdncv | probably that noveau thing fault, not the first time have trouble with it, but disabling doesnt seem to work nouveau.disabled=1 on kernel line |
| 15:50.10 | ksdncv | but once screen and network are both dead, cant check anything to make sure what was the culprit |
| 15:51.02 | ksdncv | also had same kernel as now, but before didnt do that mode switch, only after tried an upgrade to 3.x |
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| 15:57.01 | rgr | its your display driver loading. Use that nouveau rubbish at your own peril. |
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| 15:57.33 | ksdncv | OpenTokix seems it is userspace fault, selected vga mode manually on start, still after some init script messages get dead screen |
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| 15:57.51 | gabboman | Hi, I have a problem with bind9: it's using a lot of my cpu |
| 15:57.59 | ksdncv | at least this time have some better clues, recorded screen output with a camera... high tech solution |
| 15:58.16 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: grub is very persistent in willing to switch videomode |
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| 15:58.23 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: I do that to =) - what did it say? |
| 15:58.35 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: might be so you need to blacklist the module |
| 15:58.55 | Guest74307 | any medical students in Hungary that can help me out ? Sorry for the intrusion. |
| 15:58.56 | ksdncv | have already blacklisted it twice, one on kernel command line, other in modprobe configuration |
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| 15:59.39 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: and you have written the modprobe correctly? I usually forget to write "blacklist modname" and just he modname |
| 16:00.13 | ksdncv | made sure that wrote it properly and in the correct place (googled and compared a few results) |
| 16:00.34 | gabboman | I mean, it is not normal, and I get this when I start the service in the system log |
| 16:00.35 | gabboman | http://pastebin.com/yCGFfWe5 |
| 16:00.47 | ksdncv | oh, got 1 frame with a new clue in the video: nvidiafb |
| 16:00.48 | gabboman | (bind 9 uses a lot of cpu) |
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| 16:01.16 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: did you blacklist that module then? |
| 16:01.27 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: and nueveou (spelled correctly) |
| 16:01.33 | ksdncv | going to blacklist it now |
| 16:02.02 | ksdncv | thats why googled that many times that nouveau thing, whoever chosed the name must hate people trying to blacklist it |
| 16:02.08 | ksdncv | or just hates people trying to write it |
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| 16:03.04 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: yeah =) |
| 16:03.23 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: should be called: thatnvidiashit |
| 16:03.40 | ksdncv | when done with this am going to check hard disk reboot counts, had 4 reboots from previous install, now must have increased it to 30 or more |
| 16:04.16 | ksdncv | well, at least this time have a backup kernel with image and no network |
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| 16:04.40 | ksdncv | yesterday had a kernel with broken initrd and a backup kernel taht init refused to use |
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| 16:09.32 | ksdncv | OpenTokix definitively something that runs after loading udev, any clue what command is to change the tty configuration? |
| 16:10.19 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: no, sorry |
| 16:10.31 | ksdncv | also had some mknods round before udev loads to fix another issue, their message is there, so its already booting the install outside initrd when does the switch |
| 16:10.38 | ksdncv | thanks anyways |
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| 16:13.22 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: still videoissue after nvidiafb blacklist? |
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| 16:14.02 | ksdncv | yes, last boot still got black screen, and cant just rm nvidiafb since is builtin on kernel |
| 16:14.16 | ksdncv | kernel boots in a valid mode though |
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| 16:14.22 | ksdncv | its userspace that is messing it up somehow |
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| 16:14.53 | markv | Hi |
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| 16:15.44 | danlamanna^ | i'm trying to setup wireless on a debian server, figured out the driver situation finally, but i get a links not ready when i try to set wlan0 to up, i'm sure this is because i didn't setup which ssid/password to connect to - how can i go about this |
| 16:15.53 | ksdncv | 80x25 giant text mode works fine during all initial boot of kernel and initrd, switches to disk init without problems too keeps bootink fine unit udev loads, and something loads after that which kills screen image, just need to pinpoint what package is doing that and its going to get rm -rf and blacklist at dpkg level |
| 16:15.55 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: annoying - What vga_parameters are you passing in grub? |
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| 16:16.26 | ksdncv | last one had ask to try different options, but seems kernel is not messing it up, is userspace fault |
| 16:16.38 | ksdncv | something gets installed with newer installations |
| 16:17.00 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: Takes a while before the kernel switch, since first boot is via initrd and not the actual kernel |
| 16:17.01 | ksdncv | which isntructs the kernel to do something stupid |
| 16:17.20 | somiaj | danlamanna^: you have to use wasupplicant or iwconfig to set that, which can also be configured in the debian interfaces file |
| 16:17.43 | danlamanna^ | somiaj: yeah, should i use wicd or something, or just straight edit the interfaces file |
| 16:18.25 | ksdncv | initrd part works fine, even /etc/init.d/udev runs fine (due to some other issue had a debug messages there and they show up), fater that something too fast to see or record might happen that kills video output |
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| 16:19.18 | ksdncv | i'm sure some package slipped that is doing that, just cant find which one |
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| 16:23.49 | somiaj | danlamanna^: choice is up to you how you want to manage your server. I personally like the interfaces file. |
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| 16:24.08 | somiaj | danlamanna^: it can also all be done from the command line with the right tools, but it is nice to have it automatically brought up at boot. |
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| 16:26.09 | ksdncv | OpenTokix finally solved it, luckily could blacklist it at rm level (nvidiafb was a module in this kernel) |
| 16:26.13 | ksdncv | thanks for the help |
| 16:26.44 | ksdncv | rmed it from initrd and install, now whatever is ignoring blacklist and forcing it to load cant load it anymore |
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| 16:27.45 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: =) |
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| 16:28.05 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: didnt do much, just helped you brainstorm the problem - you solved it yourself |
| 16:28.09 | ksdncv | networking is still dead though, which used to work with this exactly same kernel |
| 16:28.11 | danlamanna^ | is iwlist, iwscan, etc all within wireless-tools? |
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| 16:28.35 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: firmware missing? |
| 16:28.49 | ksdncv | not really, it half works |
| 16:28.54 | ksdncv | can apt-get install stuff at slow speeds |
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| 16:29.03 | ksdncv | but cant make any server work |
| 16:29.14 | ksdncv | after first few packets tcp connections freeze |
| 16:29.24 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: what does dmesg say? |
| 16:29.28 | ksdncv | nothing |
| 16:29.37 | ksdncv | all fine according to dmesg |
| 16:29.59 | ksdncv | outbound conections are slow, indbound connections freeze forever until they time out |
| 16:30.37 | TJ- | ksdncv: has anything changed external to the server, such as the switch port it is connected to, the patch cable, switch or router configuration? |
| 16:31.00 | ksdncv | nothing, also this pc is connected to same network, and no problems from here |
| 16:31.26 | TJ- | ksdncv: And will the server operate normally when booted to its previous, working, configuration? |
| 16:31.46 | ksdncv | have no previous configuration anymore |
| 16:32.10 | ksdncv | installed fresh debian testing over my old pre-oldstable install |
| 16:32.16 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: no firewall? no wierd sysctl-settings? |
| 16:32.27 | ksdncv | not even loading the firewall yet |
| 16:32.29 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: I would try some modern livecd to see if it has the same problem |
| 16:33.13 | ksdncv | that means also getting a cd writer since dont have one nor reader on that pc |
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| 16:33.45 | ksdncv | as expected, iptables is empty |
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| 16:34.11 | ksdncv | also cleaned sysctl configuration yesterday, only panic to instant reboot is there |
| 16:35.18 | TJ- | ksdncv: OK, so *potentially* this could be caused by new kernel+initrd and previous /etc/ config causing a conflict.... but to me it sounds like a badly configured network driver... can you give us the "sudo lspci -nnvvvk" to a pastebin please? |
| 16:35.50 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: usb-stick? |
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| 16:36.05 | ksdncv | i'll try, if can manage to extract it |
| 16:36.31 | ksdncv | OpenTokix no lck when triet that to bring a working kernel into the existing install before reinstalling new |
| 16:37.09 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: ok |
| 16:37.23 | TJ- | ksdncv: how is it if you use "init=/bin/bash" and don't let the init daemon start - can you bring the network up from that and test it... to eliminate the init as a source of this? |
| 16:37.55 | OpenTokix | TJ-: that is a good idea, - going to remember that |
| 16:37.58 | ksdncv | TJ- as stupid as that sounds, installed a statically linked busybox just for that purpose, yet forgot to do exactly that |
| 16:38.00 | ksdncv | thanks |
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| 16:38.28 | TJ- | ksdncv: I always try to reduce a problem to its smallest possible set of causes... makes debugging much less frustrating |
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| 16:40.07 | ksdncv | apt-get at 9000 bytes/s is not taht fun |
| 16:40.19 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: more then enough |
| 16:40.24 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 16:40.48 | OpenTokix | ksdncv: if you can check the port in the switch, do that - sounds like duplex problems |
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| 16:42.19 | ksdncv | seems cant get any packet of reasonable size out |
| 16:42.39 | TJ- | OpenTokix: Yeah, that was my thought too, but ksdncv indicates that external config hasn't changed. ksdncv I'm assuming you *did* try switching to a different port on the switch/router, and using another known-good patch cable? |
| 16:43.15 | TJ- | ksdncv: Also, have you tried a direct host<>host link with crossover ? |
| 16:44.23 | ksdncv | will try next if can get lspci out of taht |
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| 16:48.41 | strawbs | is it possible to protect grub2 from the possibility of a nonfree OS replacing it with grub+malware to compromise my system? |
| 16:50.05 | ricepooding | maybe put grub on a removable device? not sure |
| 16:50.17 | strawbs | i tried that, seems to work |
| 16:50.19 | ricepooding | your /boot partition rather |
| 16:50.22 | strawbs | wondering if theres a better way |
| 16:50.31 | ksdncv | seems apt.get is still slow, didnt get apacke to work to check dling, and had to reboot due to ctrl+c not stopping apt-get update |
| 16:50.39 | ricepooding | i don't suppose there is, but i'd love to be corrected |
| 16:51.40 | TJ- | strawbs: If the system is UEFI there is Secure Boot for that |
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| 16:52.50 | TJ- | strawbs: The other option is to encrypt both the root file-system, and the "/boot/" partition using LUKS-dmcrypt |
| 16:52.55 | ksdncv | what the hell |
| 16:53.19 | ksdncv | this is totally random |
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| 16:53.44 | ksdncv | changed ethernet cable port and had same issue as yesterday, eht0 doesnt complain, eth1 goes up-down-up-down alone all time |
| 16:53.50 | ksdncv | seitched cable on switch, now works |
| 16:54.10 | ksdncv | 2 days trying to get this work and its the switch that got a bad port during a reboot of the server |
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| 16:55.22 | TJ- | ksdncv: Yup! I always assume bad switch port for this kind of issue |
| 16:55.36 | ricepooding | TJ-, wouldn't encrypting /boot be futile? there'd need to be software to decrypt it and i guess that could be pwned by a nonfree os |
| 16:55.38 | ksdncv | why the hell does a switch port break during a reboot |
| 16:55.42 | ksdncv | worked fine before reboot |
| 16:55.56 | ksdncv | and happens by chance to die at the same time as initrd got corrupted? |
| 16:56.42 | ksdncv | so there goes 2 days of trying to guess why kernel didnt like ethernet ports, well, thanks for the help |
| 16:56.48 | TJ- | ricepooding: Certainly, but it increases the difficulty significantly, especially if *inside* the encrypted parts is stored the SHA hash of the boot-loader for checking |
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| 16:57.24 | TJ- | ksdncv: Try turning the switch off for 20 minutes and then powering up... you may be surprised :) |
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| 16:57.54 | ksdncv | good thing have al old 100mbit switch too, will try that |
| 16:58.16 | ricepooding | TJ-, i'd stick with /boot on an external usb personally -- there's no attack on /boot unless its plugged into the computer that way. :P |
| 16:58.41 | TJ- | Grub provides GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y in to do encrypted /boot/ |
| 16:58.57 | ksdncv | cant belive lost two days of headaches because of a switch port |
| 16:59.02 | TJ- | ricepooding: some more secure systems have USB entirely disabled |
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| 16:59.11 | ksdncv | well, thanks again |
| 16:59.40 | ricepooding | TJ-, some more secure systems probably use free software ;) |
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| 17:00.17 | shay_shay | hello. i cant figure out why when i ssh to my debian VPS the $TERM env is always xterm even though my terminal is passing xterm-256color |
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| 17:01.18 | frostschutz | ricepooding, usb /boot with encrypted keyfiles works fine for me too, but... keyloggers exist as do usb-copy-passthrough-things. if you can't trust the box that's that |
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| 17:02.19 | Bitvilag | hi everyone |
| 17:02.32 | Bitvilag | I have a question regarding bash scripting |
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| 17:02.57 | babilen | Bitvilag: #bash might be a better place for that |
| 17:03.06 | ricepooding | frostschutz, fair point :) |
| 17:03.18 | Bitvilag | I am doing autocompleted bash script and i cannot fill in the fields on cli gui (pop-up) questions |
| 17:03.25 | Bitvilag | right |
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| 17:14.26 | Bitvilag | anyone a bash expert here? |
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| 17:14.40 | Bitvilag | #bash is not ansering i mean no one overthere:P |
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| 17:15.25 | glukt | Bitvilag: just ask the question :P |
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| 17:15.55 | Bitvilag | my main goal is to automate a several guides with auto installation but i cannot seem to pass any info to the CLI GUI (pop-up questions) |
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| 17:16.37 | Bitvilag | i think i would require an id of question to identify in order for expect to work |
| 17:16.49 | Bitvilag | and this is where i am kinda lost |
| 17:17.28 | axper | My computer has only 1 network interface which is Broadcom wireless device. I want to install debian on it. When I boot from CD/USB, it cannot connect to internet since (i guess) drivers are not included. How can I connect to the internet? |
| 17:17.56 | zykotick9 | axper: did you try the non-official netinst with firmware? |
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| 17:18.03 | ricepooding | axper, nonfree netinst |
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| 17:18.17 | axper | thanks, i'll have look! |
| 17:18.19 | ricepooding | axper, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 17:22.12 | glukt | Bitvilag: im confused on what your question really is..... it sounds like you are trying to use `expect` to automate some installs? most installation stuff doesnt need `expect` to be automated |
| 17:22.58 | glukt | Bitvilag: `expect` is cool and all, but i have had very little practical use for it over the years... most things are very automation aware |
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| 17:23.51 | Bitvilag | glukt: well let say this guide: https://wiki.icinga.org/display/howtos/Setting+up+Icinga+with+IDOUtils+on+Debian |
| 17:24.02 | Bitvilag | I managed to automate the config changes with sed -i etc |
| 17:24.23 | Bitvilag | but I cannot pass input to apt-get when asking for basic questions |
| 17:24.43 | Bitvilag | like which database I want to use. mysql or the other one |
| 17:24.45 | Bitvilag | etc |
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| 17:26.47 | glukt | Bitvilag: are you prompting the user for those questions? |
| 17:27.07 | glukt | or wanting to, taht is |
| 17:27.10 | TJ- | Bitvilag: You need to use I/O redirection if you want the script to be able to interact with the apt-get process, see http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html |
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| 17:29.20 | Bitvilag | glukt I want the script to runs moothly without question |
| 17:30.04 | zykotick9 | Bitvilag: why are you crossposting to #ubuntu? if this is ubuntu, keep the question there. if it's debian... no comment... |
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| 17:30.46 | Bitvilag | its debian but the solution works for both |
| 17:30.51 | Bitvilag | probbaly |
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| 17:31.46 | Bitvilag | TJ -> I/O redirection might be solution |
| 17:32.32 | glukt | Bitvilag: there are options such as --assume-yes, --assume-no, and --force-yes (this one is slightly dangerous) to make apt run non-interactively if you know the answers to the question beforehand |
| 17:33.19 | Bitvilag | but not all the answers should be that |
| 17:33.34 | Bitvilag | and not only yes and no are the choices:S |
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| 17:34.23 | scape_ | is there an update on how to install my fglrx or amd's beta drivers? |
| 17:35.38 | scape_ | for jessie that is |
| 17:35.59 | TJ- | Bitvilag: Instead of that, why not just use debconf? |
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| 17:36.59 | Bitvilag | TJ i do not know the attributes that i should use or variables |
| 17:37.14 | TJ- | Bitvilag: in your script, before calling apt-get, do something like "echo $PACKAGE $PACKAGE/$KEY string" | debconf-set-selections" |
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| 17:38.09 | TJ- | Bitvilag: Then do "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y $PACKAGE" |
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| 17:39.05 | Bitvilag | TJ: that would not work because it does not ask for important questions |
| 17:41.27 | TJ- | Bitvilag: don't use "-y" then, just make sure all the debconf settings are pre-set |
| 17:41.36 | JyZyXEL | is it possible to give user 'nobody' read access to /media/storage/downloads/videos/* without giving it any sort of access to /media/storage or /media/storage/downloads? |
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| 17:43.38 | sharp15 | is debian still a rolling release distribution? aka "install once and upgrade forever" |
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| 17:46.22 | Bitvilag | well thanks 4 the help cya |
| 17:46.25 | jmcnaught | sharp15: there is a stable release of Debian approximately every 2 years (released when ready, not on a deadline) and you are able to upgrade from major release to major release. Usually what's meant by "rolling release" is that you are constantly upgrading to the latest version of everything. In a Debian Stable release, the versions of all packages remains "stable" but get backported security and bug fixes |
| 17:46.29 | centrx | sharp15, Debian has never had a "rolling release", but the upgrade system works well |
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| 17:47.05 | scape_ | is there an update yet on how to install my fglrx or amd's beta drivers? for jessie |
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| 17:47.55 | acu | hello - is there edu or skolelinux for jessie ? |
| 17:48.04 | acu | I need for small kids |
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| 17:50.20 | formorer | skolelinux and edu are the same. and it is always based on stable |
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| 17:58.10 | ksdncv | annoying ssh, now refuses root login (only login allowed account there) because of some pam misconfiguration, which worked fine on same configuration with pre-oldstable. Any clues on where to look after setting allowrootlogin to yes in sshd_config yet still doesnt work? |
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| 17:59.43 | ksdncv | debug1: PAM: password authentication failed for root: Authentication failure |
| 17:59.43 | ksdncv | yet no information on what is blocking it |
| 18:00.57 | Spec | look in /etc/pam.d/sshd ? |
| 18:01.02 | gaondo | i have a subtitles file encoded in ISO-8859 but vlc displays it as gibberish; and in the subtitles settings i cannot find ISO-8859 (except ISO-8859-6/7/8/9); i have a fresh debian install |
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| 18:01.59 | Spec | ksdncv: some people use pam_listfile.so to explicitly list users allowed to ssh |
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| 18:02.27 | NiLon | is there any application already that would monitor the system and send email if it does see that ip of one interface does change? |
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| 18:04.01 | NiLon | well maybe I just write crontab for that |
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| 18:04.35 | acu | formorer, so you recomend stable for skolelinux |
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| 18:04.50 | acu | !skolelinux |
| 18:04.50 | dpkg | Skolelinux is a Debian Pure <Blend> produced by the <Debian Edu> project, see http://www.skolelinux.org/ for more details. For user/admin support, join #skolelinux on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 18:05.17 | centrx | acu, Stable is better for a deployed system |
| 18:05.49 | kiakli | or the new squeeze-lts |
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| 18:06.07 | centrx | I wouldn't do a new install of something that old |
| 18:06.21 | acu | I just need a workstation with education al programs |
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| 18:06.36 | acu | so I would not mind to have it on jesssie |
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| 18:07.29 | ricepooding | quick q, what does it mean when a directory ends in .d? for example, Muttrc.d |
| 18:07.31 | sharp15 | jmcnaught, centrx: ok. thank you. |
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| 18:08.29 | centrx | acu, Will it be exposed to the Internet? |
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| 18:19.42 | scape_ | ricepooding: are you sure it's a directory? try emacs or nano on it |
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| 18:20.18 | coOor | fluxbox is removed from the dvd1-3 isos? |
| 18:20.31 | scape_ | is there an update yet on how to install fglrx or amd's beta drivers? for jessie. I keep running into problems now that I removed fglrx and updated things. looks incompatible now :-\ |
| 18:20.44 | centrx | coOor, probably, it's not very high on popcon. openbox is the more popular box now |
| 18:21.11 | zykotick9 | scape_: have you tried asking on #debian-next on OFTC? |
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| 18:21.47 | scape_ | no but i should thanks |
| 18:21.58 | jmcnaught | scape_: probably best to use radeon for now until there's an fglrx-driver that supports the new xorg version |
| 18:22.01 | coOor | centrx: thank you. |
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| 18:23.00 | zykotick9 | notes, he has now seen irc questions about broken nvidia & ati propritary with testing/sid... stable FTW ;) |
| 18:24.00 | jmcnaught | I don't know why so many people are adverse to using Debian Stable. Some people cling to Squeeze (or even older..) and others insist on using unfinished Jessie. Wheezy's where it's at. |
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| 18:24.21 | centrx | only normies use wheezy |
| 18:24.26 | scape_ | jmcnaught: stable didn't support my video card, for some reason. jessie did out of the box |
| 18:24.45 | jmcnaught | scape_: what card is it? |
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| 18:24.56 | scape_ | the radeon beta and stable from amd doesn't install, complains about a dkms error |
| 18:25.24 | scape_ | tahiti le, which is an odd card i think. 7850 but really a chipset from 7900 series i believe |
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| 18:27.07 | jmcnaught | scape_: oh yeah, i don't think radeon in Wheezy supports anything newer than HD 69xx. Still in Jessie you're probably best off using the free radeon driver until there's a newer fglrx-driver package that supports the new xorg ABI |
| 18:28.21 | scape_ | jmcnaught: as in xserver-xorg-video-ati? |
| 18:29.09 | scape_ | -radeon rather |
| 18:29.11 | jmcnaught | scape_: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo i think it's xserver-xorg-video-radeon you're looking for |
| 18:29.18 | scape_ | okay thanks |
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| 18:30.40 | jmcnaught | scape_: for what it's worth, i found the radeon drivers in wheezy pretty decent on my 5770 HD. I wouldn't bother with fglrx unless you really really need to |
| 18:31.00 | _1_Dan | hi |
| 18:31.32 | glukt | if you are trying to play games i can understand why you'd want fglrx though... and if you want to install specific fglrx you can not use debian packages and just download straight from ati, but i would stick to the packages if you can |
| 18:32.04 | scape_ | well neither work. fglrx seems to have an issue with the new xorg version |
| 18:32.19 | glukt | hahahhahaha |
| 18:32.20 | glukt | of course |
| 18:32.39 | scape_ | yea, don't purge fglrx, haha |
| 18:32.51 | glukt | i remember my ati days back in late 90s early 2000s... basically once you get fglrx working you just stop upgrading forever |
| 18:33.01 | glukt | i thought they had improved things but i guess not lol |
| 18:33.15 | scape_ | it's aggrevating |
| 18:33.38 | glukt | thats why its important we get a much better open source driver for radeon cards |
| 18:33.52 | glukt | though ive heard the radeon driver is miles better than it was before |
| 18:33.58 | glukt | *radeon module |
| 18:34.09 | jmcnaught | scape_: if you had fglrx installed radeon might be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 18:34.50 | scape_ | interesting |
| 18:34.54 | glukt | scape_: jmcnaught: from what i remember, fglrx does do that |
| 18:35.13 | scape_ | => dkms.conf fbdev-blacklist.conf modesetting.conf open-vm-tools.conf radeon-kms.conf |
| 18:35.13 | glukt | scape_: basically try loading X without fglrx and see what module is loaded in Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:35.44 | OldParr | xfce is very good! |
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| 18:36.48 | hesco1 | For years I have used build-essentails, but it does not seem to be available in the jessie repo. Am I missing something? |
| 18:37.21 | scape_ | vesa? |
| 18:37.26 | ricepooding | scape_, it's a directory alright |
| 18:37.32 | centrx | hesco1, It might be a Virtual package now |
| 18:37.40 | ricepooding | scape_, the kind people in #linux helped me, it's fine :) |
| 18:38.02 | glukt | scape_: vesa is a very very generic video driver, its not specific to your card, whcih means radeon isnt running |
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| 18:38.25 | centrx | hesco1, Or it's called "build-essential", singular |
| 18:38.29 | zykotick9 | ,v build-essential |
| 18:38.31 | judd | Package: build-essential on i386 -- squeeze: 11.5; wheezy: 11.5; jessie: 11.6; sid: 11.6 |
| 18:38.33 | hesco1 | This seems to indicate its still there: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=build-essential |
| 18:38.33 | scape_ | yes, it's barebones right now haha. looks like it's all cpu really |
| 18:38.44 | ch077179 | Hi, my ebanking application fails to find libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 18:38.46 | glukt | scape_: that radeon-kms.conf looks suspect, what are its contents? |
| 18:38.52 | scape_ | let me see |
| 18:39.00 | ch077179 | and I think that's because I have gtk-3.0 installed |
| 18:39.01 | hesco1 | and amd64 |
| 18:39.20 | ch077179 | what's the best way to go about this? Can I install gtk-2.0 aside? |
| 18:39.26 | scape_ | => options radeon modeset=1 |
| 18:39.27 | zykotick9 | ,v build-essential amd64 |
| 18:39.28 | judd | Package: build-essential on amd64 -- squeeze: 11.5; wheezy: 11.5; jessie: 11.6; sid: 11.6 |
| 18:39.59 | hesco1 | thanks judd and centrx, perhaps an update is in order. |
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| 18:40.08 | glukt | scape_: check /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 18:40.58 | scape_ | no file |
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| 18:41.46 | tiger7117 | Hi |
| 18:41.55 | glukt | scape_: `grep radeon /etc/modprobe.d/*` |
| 18:42.26 | scape_ | etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf:options radeon modeset=1 |
| 18:42.32 | glukt | okay that one's fine |
| 18:42.39 | glukt | do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 18:42.42 | glukt | fglrx likes to create that |
| 18:43.03 | glukt | it might specify fglrx or something still, then fall back on vesa without autodetecting radeon |
| 18:43.24 | scape_ | so if i run propreitary radeon drivers, it fails with "dkms part of installation failed" |
| 18:44.26 | tiger7117 | echo 'phpmyadmin phpmyadmin/app-password-confirm password your-app-pwd' | debconf-set-selections .. what kind of application password is it ? |
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| 18:44.40 | glukt | scape_: you need to pick a path here, if you are wanting to try the radeon route and start intalling fglrx, you are going to undo everything you are in the middle of doing |
| 18:45.04 | scape_ | well I dumped fglrx as best I could |
| 18:45.29 | scape_ | it's not installable at this point, so radeon is fine if I could install it |
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| 18:46.25 | glukt | scape_: do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
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| 18:46.55 | scape_ | no |
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| 18:47.25 | scape_ | i never ran initial on atiradeon because dkms was failing |
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| 18:48.07 | glukt | scape_: do you have the xserver-xorg-video-ati package installed? |
| 18:48.33 | scape_ | yes |
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| 18:49.17 | glukt | scape_: what video card do you have? |
| 18:49.39 | scape_ | 7870 actually |
| 18:49.54 | scape_ | lspci | grep VGA |
| 18:49.56 | scape_ | 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Tahiti LE [Radeon HD 7870 XT] |
| 18:50.08 | ricepooding | what's going on with the nvidia drivers in testing? they seem to have disappeared... |
| 18:50.29 | centrx | Correct |
| 18:51.21 | glukt | scape_: based on the debian wiki page on radeon, it looks like you might need the packages: "firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri" as well then need to reboot to get the firmware loaded properly |
| 18:51.25 | towo` | ricepooding, they are in sid since today, so soon in testing also |
| 18:51.33 | scape_ | okay thanks |
| 18:51.36 | scape_ | i'll look in to that |
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| 18:51.40 | glukt | scape_: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 18:51.48 | scape_ | I don't have mesa i don't think |
| 18:51.49 | glukt | on it, you'll see how to add contrib and non-free to your sources |
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| 18:52.00 | ricepooding | towo`, wicked, is there any ETA? |
| 18:52.21 | towo` | normaly 10 days |
| 18:52.45 | centrx | ricepooding, http://bugs.debian.org/755020 |
| 18:52.55 | ricepooding | towo`, i thought about that amount of time, ugh. How will I play TF2 in the meantime? D: |
| 18:53.05 | centrx | ricepooding, packages.qa.debian.org/nvidia-driver |
| 18:53.27 | centrx | ricepooding, You could download the newer version from unstable |
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| 18:53.51 | ricepooding | centrx, apt-pinning? :S |
| 18:54.27 | centrx | ricepooding, I don't use pinning myself. The scheme is change your sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install package, change your sources.list back, run apt-get update again |
| 18:54.43 | centrx | ricepooding, The last two steps are the most important, otherwise you may accidentally install more unstable packages |
| 18:55.06 | ricepooding | centrx, so I take it if I were to dist-upgrade the packages would be removed? :P |
| 18:55.08 | centrx | ricepooding, the apt-get install package should work fine in this case, because I believe it depends on the same version of X that just migrated to testing |
| 18:55.35 | centrx | ricepooding, the package should remain installed, and remember in 5 days hopefully it will be in testing anyway, the exact same package |
| 18:55.57 | centrx | ricepooding, It is safe if done carefully |
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| 18:56.17 | ricepooding | centrx, are there any guides anywhere or do I literally just have to do what you've said? |
| 18:57.19 | centrx | I don't know |
| 18:57.24 | centrx | It's really just three steps |
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| 18:57.38 | ricepooding | cool, I might give it a shot later. Cheers |
| 18:58.13 | centrx | ricepooding, If the apt-get install command results in many non-X packages being updated, abort the mission |
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| 18:58.49 | ch077179 | apt-file search finds a certain library on my system. whereis does not. why? |
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| 18:59.19 | centrx | ch077179, I thought apt-file searches the package repository, not the files necessary installed on your system |
| 18:59.46 | formorer | centrx: in fact it searches in cache. but never in your installed system |
| 19:00.10 | formorer | apt-file updates fetches the relevant files from the server and stores it local |
| 19:01.35 | ricepooding | centrx, understood -- i'm looking on the net now and people seem to recommend apt-pinning. it seems a bit overkill for something as simple as pulling one package from sid which will exist in testing days later... |
| 19:01.49 | centrx | ricepooding, exactly |
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| 19:03.32 | glukt | centrx: if apt-get ends up pulling more than just X as deps, couldnt he just grab the nvidia packages directly from a mirror or packages.debian.org? i mean yeah apt would be better for deps and all, but for one measly package that just disappeared... |
| 19:03.48 | xurious | Picked up a xserve g5. Installed debian from net without an issue. Asked if I had proprietary firmware for ethernet (em0,em1), said no. Now it halts on boot when, what appears to be, getting networking information. |
| 19:04.01 | xurious | Anyone have an idea on what I could do to fix it? Limited linux knowledge. |
| 19:04.18 | centrx | glukt, dpkg still looks at dependencies. Ideally, the dependencies represent an actual necessity to install the package. |
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| 19:05.19 | glukt | centrx: so, yes? ;) |
| 19:06.10 | glukt | centrx: err... i just looked at the reasonings, maybe not |
| 19:06.11 | ricepooding | centrx, am I correct in thinking that as soon as the package hits testing, it'll be as if it were never pulled from sid? i.e. will everything function as you'd expect updates wise? |
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| 19:06.13 | glukt | Urgency=high because nvidia is currently completely broken in testing due to xserver 1.16 migration and ABI bump. |
| 19:06.23 | centrx | glukt, If there are no additional dependencies required, you can download just the one file and install it |
| 19:07.54 | glukt | centrx: nvidia would probably require a new xorg from sid, so yeah apt would be preferrable.... there would be a ton of deps to pull by hand |
| 19:08.31 | ricepooding | centrx, glukt, if there are a tonne of deps I guess i'll just wait for the sake of not borking my system |
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| 19:10.20 | glukt | ricepooding: you can still do what centrx originally suggested, update to sid temporarily make sure only X is getting upgraded, then revert back to jessie |
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| 19:26.56 | blar1 | hello all; i'm getting ready to set up some services in a dev environment, and just wanted to get some pointers/proper reference materials for running daemons as non-root (admin is not my focus). am i correct in thinking that the appropriate way to go about launching daemons is to drop a script into the /etc/init.d tree in the appropriate place? |
| 19:29.12 | mhoney | why not just run everything as root and login as root if its just a dev env. |
| 19:29.34 | heurist | blar1: yes, esentially that is correct, but it may be more complicated than that. |
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| 19:30.17 | blar1 | mhoney: because at some point i'd like to be able to just clone this VM out to a cloud environment; and if this will ever be exposed to the wide world, i don't want my wiki or issue tracker to have root privs |
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| 19:30.31 | heurist | blar1: try find init scripts for the things you need to run, most distros have init scripts for most things they install. |
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| 19:30.57 | blar1 | heurist: good deal; so the debian policy manual's chapter on init.d will be a good starting point for ref material? |
| 19:31.14 | blar1 | (as mentioned in /etc/init.d/README) |
| 19:31.14 | heurist | blar1: good place to start yes. |
| 19:31.17 | blar1 | thanks! |
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| 19:48.05 | gooko | can I underclock my laptop's cpu in order to save battery and prevent the fan from running? |
| 19:48.24 | jhutchins | gooko: Usually, yes, cpufreq. |
| 19:48.44 | centrx | gooko, Yes, this is a big part of "Power Management" |
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| 19:50.16 | gooko | jhutchins: thanks |
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| 19:59.16 | MrAlexandro | its so many guides at mounting smb partitions in /etc/fstab. but could someone tell me how to mount a folder from a debian computer on another wihtout using smb or cifs please :) |
| 19:59.39 | ksdncv | ssh? |
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| 19:59.48 | MrAlexandro | over a network lets say 50.50.50.0/24 |
| 19:59.49 | ksdncv | actually sshfs |
| 19:59.57 | MrAlexandro | ksdncv and then it will be mounted ? |
| 20:00.02 | TJ- | MrAlexandro: NFS or sshfs maybe? |
| 20:00.22 | ksdncv | nfs is fine for lan too |
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| 20:01.10 | ksdncv | btw what a pain upgrade this one, ssh defaults to reject all, apache2 also defaults to reject all, and still am stuck with those two |
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| 20:02.28 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: There are two things that need to be done, the share needs to be configured and shared on the host computer, then the client computer needs to mount the share locally. |
| 20:03.01 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: Usually the local mount depends on the type of share and not the original filesystem of the sharing host. |
| 20:03.12 | garfil2 | robert55: there is #iptables on this server |
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| 20:03.54 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: There are several methods; SMB/CIFS uses the protocols developed by Microsoft, NFS is a more traditional *NIX system, and there was an Apple network protocol that is rarely used these days. |
| 20:03.57 | MrAlexandro | jhutchins: yes. thank you. As i was starting to read up on sshfs I realised i had not thought about something. if you do not have ldap up how does it handle users from all the difrent computers in that share that is configured |
| 20:04.20 | centrx | yeah use AppleTalk |
| 20:05.29 | MrAlexandro | jhutchins: Im sorry. i should read up, then ask. never mind that question:) thanks for the tips so far :D |
| 20:05.34 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: sshfs is really a pseudo protocol, it uses communication features of ssh and data/file transfer features from the sftp subshel of ssh to present a remote file system as if it were mounted locally. This can be a problem with large files and trying to use things like spreadsheets and documents that are edited in a non-linear manner. |
| 20:05.40 | MrAlexandro | nice :D |
| 20:05.56 | MrAlexandro | oh |
| 20:06.14 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: ldap is just one mechanism for maintaining user/access lists, the normal passwd file is what is most often used for ssh. |
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| 20:06.49 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: ssh can also use any PAM compatible protocol including ldap. |
| 20:07.03 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: ldap is actually a remote database protocol. |
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| 20:08.15 | MrAlexandro | jhutchins good point. I guess i saw it as not remote because i set it up using localhost(not network adress). But what you said about large files beeing a problem. would you say that nfs is better ? |
| 20:09.14 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: Yes, NFS was designed for sharing files and has locking mechanisms to keep multiple people from performing conflicting edits. |
| 20:09.55 | jhutchins | NFS and CIFS/SMB are similar, parallel approaches to the same problem. |
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| 20:10.45 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: Above that level are distributed filesystem engines like NAS where contemporary edits can be merged into a common document, those are pretty much beyond the scope of a Linux server. |
| 20:10.59 | ksdncv | sshfs is better for things like handling configuration files over itnernet or uploading/downloading the files of the http server, nfs is better suited if you're sharing the files over a lan and gives better performance at the expense of being restricted to lan |
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| 20:12.35 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: The simplest method is to just copy the files using scp/rsync. Work on the file locally then copy it back. Any network share is essentially doing just that behind the scenes. |
| 20:13.21 | MrAlexandro | jhutchins: oh ok. that sounds amazing. i will keep away from NAS (and san :D ) But when it comes to options, is that where you enable that amazing filelock system ? ksdncv : This will be strictly lan so that sounds perfect. good to know that sshfs is suited for internet drives. That will be my next project, but it will be done with privacy and security in focus and not performance as now |
| 20:13.32 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: ksdncv is correct, mounted shares are meant to happen on a local LAN. |
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| 20:14.34 | MrAlexandro | jhutchins & ksdncv Thanks for clarifications. i actually got a lot wiser on the primary usage of the different systems |
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| 20:14.49 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: NFS and other sharing/mounting protocols do NOT cope with packet loss or dropped connections. |
| 20:15.25 | MrAlexandro | jhutchins: do you think that 5-9 debian computers at an isolated vm network interface would be stable enough? |
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| 20:15.53 | MrAlexandro | jhutchins I am thinking of the package loss now |
| 20:15.59 | duggles | MrAlexandro: NFS usually refers to a set of daemons which do the locking, but also the sharing of the folder, the mapping of the users (i.e. who is doing stuff on the remote servers and do they have permission, etc.). |
| 20:16.22 | duggles | 10 computers using an NFS share is fine. there should be very little problems |
| 20:16.40 | duggles | if you are thinking that there is packet loss on your LAN, you really should get that fixed |
| 20:16.51 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: Yes, we have CIFS shares mounted from remote datacenters across our organization with literally thousands of users. |
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| 20:17.08 | MrAlexandro | jhutchins nice! :D |
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| 20:17.45 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: CIFS because the clients are all Windows; server-to-server is done with scp. |
| 20:18.07 | MrAlexandro | oh, but NFS should perform equall to smb right? |
| 20:18.11 | MrAlexandro | cifs i mean |
| 20:18.27 | jhutchins | MrAlexandro: Yes, they have different strengths but are mostly equivalent. |
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| 20:19.51 | rryoumaa | MrAlexandro: another way to edit remote files is with emacs tramp |
| 20:19.59 | rryoumaa | maybe vim has something similar, dunno |
| 20:20.22 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: vim users usually edit a local copy. |
| 20:20.32 | jhutchins | rryoumaa: Or use ssh to edit on the remote. |
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| 20:21.22 | MrAlexandro | jhutchins & rryoumaa yeah i use ssh going from one to the other doing edits. this was more for storage(logistics) and structure of my caos |
| 20:21.43 | formorer | vim scp://server/file |
| 20:21.43 | rasc | jhutchins: when you use an operating system were thing don't integrate well, you need a different tool fo each task :) |
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| 20:22.32 | jhutchins | rasc: linux, windows, aix, and mac. |
| 20:22.55 | rasc | jhutchins: no, emacs |
| 20:23.16 | jhutchins | rasc: Oh, you mean emacs doesn't integrate well. |
| 20:23.26 | jhutchins | ducks |
| 20:23.28 | rryoumaa | rasc: tramp is not a different tool; you edit normally |
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| 20:23.51 | jhutchins | !start an editor war |
| 20:23.51 | dpkg | xemacs blows. |
| 20:23.57 | rryoumaa | you edit the file as if it were local, but it is remote |
| 20:23.58 | rasc | the joke is that it is an operating system, and you can't use just ssh |
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| 20:30.06 | Ney | hi, i own a nas that have been updated to wheezy (from etch), but now i have weird issue. when i ssh into the unit and try to move a file with the "mv" command, instead of just updating the location of the file, the nas writes a whole new file (and then deletes the old one), a bahaviour i would expect between disks, but it's one big raid array, any ideas what could be wrong? |
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| 20:32.26 | frostschutz | Ney, what filesystem? You sure you're on the correct device? (df path/to/thefile and df path/to/thedest should show it) |
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| 20:33.47 | Ney | both says "dev/md127" |
| 20:33.52 | Ney | which is my raid array |
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| 20:34.33 | Ney | and the file system should be ext4, but i am not 100% sure, is there an wasy way to check? |
| 20:34.47 | ksdncv | finally ssh working, just had to make a fake user that actually execs a suid shell... "neat and secure" as required by the new sshd that refuses otherwise |
| 20:35.01 | rasc | Ney: mount | grep md127 |
| 20:35.29 | heurist | Ney: file -s dev/md127 |
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| 20:35.34 | Ney | ah, btrfs |
| 20:35.39 | frostschutz | Ney, and/or check /proc/mounts, it's more reliable than mount itself |
| 20:35.39 | Ney | not ext4 |
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| 20:35.58 | ksdncv | Ney if you check both locations with stat are they really on same disk? |
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| 20:36.16 | Ney | well there is only the one in the unit |
| 20:36.26 | frostschutz | ask #btrfs then :P how do you know it's copying instead of just renameing? I thought btrfs never copied anything |
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| 20:37.09 | Ney | i had the folder opened in filemaneger and could se the file i moved steadily increase in size like when you copy |
| 20:37.20 | Ney | not a behaviour i expect |
| 20:37.28 | Ney | it just seems weird |
| 20:37.55 | frostschutz | but you did use mv and not some file manager thing? |
| 20:38.02 | Ney | yeah used mv |
| 20:38.24 | Ney | just happened to have the destination opened on a windows machine |
| 20:38.45 | heurist | alias mv=cp |
| 20:38.46 | frostschutz | ask #btrfs, who knows what it does with subvolumes and per-directory settings and whatnot. it might have to copy after all |
| 20:39.11 | Ney | but yeah btrfs might be a better place to ask |
| 20:39.11 | heurist | sorry that would be mean |
| 20:39.23 | Ney | that doesnt sound nice no :) |
| 20:39.26 | frostschutz | heurist, anything's possible but that alias would not delete the source file :) |
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| 20:39.51 | heurist | frostschutz: good rebuttal to my joke, I concede. |
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| 20:41.27 | Ney | hrm actually i might have just created the destination directy and made some symlinks, maybe i have confused it :) |
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| 20:51.33 | MrAlexandro | if i have enabled ipforwarding in iptables, is there something i need to do for NFS packets to go from each computers in the lan? i think now they are all just leaving trought the router on a different network interface |
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| 21:03.26 | MrAlexandro | jhutchins: i have trouble mounting the shared folder on the client computer. after entering "mount -a", it takes forever to see the command finnish in terminal(maybe never). could be both on the nfs server or on the client of course |
| 21:04.47 | heurist | MrAlexandro: try mount -vvv to get more info. |
| 21:05.14 | MrAlexandro | heurist, ok. also think i found some more configuration lacking on the server. i will read up :D |
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| 21:14.14 | MrAlexandro | haha ...(*embarrased) /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart ...... :) |
| 21:14.56 | MrAlexandro | heurist i thought exportfs -a would suffice |
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| 21:18.10 | level7_ | hi all |
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| 21:18.32 | level7_ | I m using wthunderbird under windows and I want someting like that or even better |
| 21:18.59 | jmcnaught | level7_: Thunderbird is renamed Icedove in Debian |
| 21:19.00 | Soly | for debian? |
| 21:19.22 | level7_ | I am not sure if I should use icedve or... evolution |
| 21:19.45 | jmcnaught | level7_: they're both good, and if you use IMAP you can try them both at the same time |
| 21:19.57 | level7_ | yes...what should I use ? not sure why icedove is not installed by default |
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| 21:27.31 | aoeuaoeu | hi guys, I installed debian on a ML350 G6 server and getting these errors at boot. http://pastebin.com/Hq3ZVCKk I did install the intel-microcode package. |
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| 21:28.33 | aoeuaoeu | debian wheezy, uname -a: Linux kvm 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:28.44 | mranonymous | Does anyone know something about that? https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5583079 |
| 21:29.56 | somiaj | aoeuaoeu: is the firmware located on your machine, /lib/firmware/intel-ucode/06-2c-02 I guess would be the directory |
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| 21:30.10 | somiaj | aoeuaoeu: or you could do a dpkg -L intel-microcode and see where it puts the firmware |
| 21:30.44 | TJ- | aoeuaoeu: It doesn't look as if it is in that package: "apt-file list intel-ucode | grep 06-2c-02" returns nothing |
| 21:30.53 | glukt | MrAlexandro: `exportfs -fa` is probably what you were looking for |
| 21:32.58 | aoeuaoeu | hmm, I miss that file yes. is there any way to fix? |
| 21:34.11 | TJ- | aoeuaoeu: see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699412 |
| 21:35.36 | level7_ | so any advice as irc client? |
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| 21:36.10 | glukt | level7_: depends on what you want, GUI or CLI... GUI probably XChat, CLI probably irssi |
| 21:36.14 | glukt | but its all preference |
| 21:36.17 | level7_ | I am used to chatzilla and in the past I liked mirc, but not sure what could be nice under linux... weechat ? is that the one? |
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| 21:36.36 | level7_ | well... something that has "tabs" for channels |
| 21:36.39 | jmcnaught | level7_: you might like xchat |
| 21:36.44 | glukt | level7_: pretty much all of them |
| 21:37.17 | glukt | level7_: `apt-cache search irc client`, though there are a ton of them |
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| 21:38.25 | aoeuaoeu | thanks somiaj and TJ- |
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| 21:38.54 | aoeuaoeu | do you think there is a way to fix? |
| 21:39.35 | jelly-home | mranonymous: it looks like a pppd log with no debug enabled. |
| 21:40.12 | mranonymous | one moment |
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| 21:44.19 | aoeuaoeu | somiaj, TJ-: would installing the drivers from squeeze do the trick? seems like not included in jessie :| |
| 21:45.41 | TJ- | aoeuaoeu: Best to ask HP about it, there must be a reason Intel withdrew that ucode update |
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| 21:47.32 | aoeuaoeu | TJ-: ok, ill do, thanks |
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| 21:57.57 | mranonymous | jelly-home: Full log https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5583203 |
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| 22:02.45 | mranonymous | any ideas? |
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| 22:06.32 | TJ- | mranonymous: "Could not determine remote IP address: defaulting to 10.64.64.64" looks suspect |
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| 22:08.39 | aoeuaoeu | TJ-, somiaj: I think I know why HP are removing cpu firmware. It could be because they want to sell the latest BIOS upgrade. making OS reload cpu firmware would make buying HPs BIOS upgrade less neccesary. (?) |
| 22:08.56 | aoeuaoeu | never buying HP again. |
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| 22:12.02 | TJ- | aoeuaoeu: From that I read, it is Intel that revoked that ucode update, not HP |
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| 22:14.36 | aoeuaoeu | TJ-: oh, ok. even seems like drivers are possible to download from HPs pages :) strange that Intel removed them though :| |
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| 22:16.44 | jelly-home | mranonymous: no. Did you add debug to ppp options? |
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| 22:17.26 | MrAlexandro | heurist jhutchins working like a dream now :D |
| 22:17.49 | mranonymous | Yeah |
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| 22:18.01 | mranonymous | pppd debug call something |
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| 22:22.17 | guest965 | kimse var mi |
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| 22:27.11 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I add subinterfaces to my server? |
| 22:28.11 | somiaj | Jeeves_Moss: like virtual interfaces? |
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| 22:28.55 | Jeeves_Moss | somiaj, I need to add ips on other subnets. |
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| 22:30.02 | somiaj | Jeeves_Moss: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface |
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| 22:31.49 | Jeeves_Moss | somiaj, thanks |
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| 22:38.21 | jelly-home | mranonymous: nope, but debug ought to show a bit more info |
| 22:38.44 | jelly-home | oh... I commented on that already; time for bed |
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| 22:44.41 | spydon | How do I install the fglrx-driver in testing? It doesn't seem to be in the non-free contrib repos like in stable? |
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| 22:47.41 | ricepooding | guys, have i spotted a bug? on debian jessie running xfce, whenever i log out and log back in again a new instance of gpg-agent is being launched. i.e. if i log in and out 3 times, ps -ef reports 3 different gpg-agents |
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| 22:49.43 | somiaj | ricepooding: go check the bts, then report it if you don't see it reported already |
| 22:49.54 | petn-randall | spydon, ricepooding, go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, where testing and sid are supported. |
| 22:50.57 | ricepooding | petn-randall, cheers |
| 22:51.02 | ricepooding | somiaj, looking now |
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| 22:56.54 | ricepooding | somiaj, not sure whether it's a bug with gnupg-agent or something else on my system. it looks like the processes aren't being killed when i log out and are launched again (as a new instance) when i log back in |
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| 23:21.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peepsn |
| 23:21.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | peeps |
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| 23:47.18 | c107 | When are you going to update Motif to the free version? |
| 23:47.40 | c107 | (3.3.4) |
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| 23:53.07 | somiaj | c107: sounds like something to look for or file a wishlist bug |
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| 23:53.44 | zykotick9 | ,v libmotif-common |
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| 23:53.57 | judd | Package: libmotif-common on i386 -- jessie: 2.3.4-5; sid: 2.3.4-5 |
| 23:54.39 | zykotick9 | ^ just doesn't seem to be in wheezy? but appears to be a higher verion in jessie/sid |
| 23:55.30 | somiaj | oh he had a typo with his 3.3.4 version? |
| 23:55.34 | zykotick9 | ^ also, no longer in non-free :) |
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| 23:56.18 | zykotick9 | somiaj: it's for CDE... tbo i couldn't care less |
| 23:56.26 | krunk | Quick question: does Debian Squeeze support 6-core Xeon processors? |
| 23:57.17 | DHowett | It should. |
| 23:57.19 | krunk | 64 bit |
| 23:57.33 | DHowett | There's no core count limit, and the Xeon is already well-supported by the kernel |
| 23:57.53 | krunk | DHowett: hope it does before I commit to buy a HP Z800 |
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| 23:58.15 | somiaj | krunk: if you are buying a new machine why are you wanting to run squeeze on it? |
| 23:58.49 | somiaj | krunk: as for debian wheezy, it has the stock 3.2 kernel which should support it and you can get a newer kernel from backports. If you want to research what linux kernel supports it. I suppect it is supported |
| 23:58.51 | krunk | DHowett: thanks -- be nice to move up from my single core that is straining to keep up with audio procesing |
