| 00:00.19 | krunk | somiaj: reason is that the DAW I use would be upgraded and I will lose 4 yeras of work with the newer version. Squeeze is good enough for me - it's a local box, not dev |
| 00:00.38 | DHowett | krunk: sure thing. by way of example, kernel 2.6.32 (as somiaj noted: wheezy ships with 3.2) seems to be working alright on my Xeon E3-1230. While it only has four cores, I don't imagine that core count will cause much issue. |
| 00:01.15 | DHowett | The microarch is fairly stable within a family, I believe |
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| 00:01.38 | krunk | DHowett: at present doing udio, CPU at 100% and makes a racket will processing audio |
| 00:01.53 | krunk | while |
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| 00:02.27 | krunk | Thanks |
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| 00:04.43 | Sue | my google-fu is failing me, all i get are results for disabling ipv6 |
| 00:04.55 | Sue | how do i install over ipv6 *only* |
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| 00:06.20 | viccuad | Sue: what's the problem with ipv4? |
| 00:07.13 | Sue | just to try |
| 00:07.27 | ksdncv | TJ- indeed after powering down the switch for some hours am suprised, the switch doesnt boot anymore |
| 00:07.40 | viccuad | Sue: I found this, from 2011: https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2011/01/msg00883.html |
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| 00:07.49 | ksdncv | not the kind of surprise that was expecting though |
| 00:08.20 | TJ- | ksdncv: Check for bad capacitor... bulging electrolytics |
| 00:08.26 | Sue | and i'm going to be using nginx to proxy_pass over a private network to one ipv4 addr |
| 00:08.29 | TJ- | ksdncv: A few pennies to replace usually |
| 00:08.33 | ksdncv | was opening it just now |
| 00:08.38 | TJ- | ksdncv: It'll be on the power supply side |
| 00:09.16 | viccuad | Sue: IIRC, it has an ipv6 auto config when network connected |
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| 00:09.54 | Sue | i'm in henet's fmt2, for some reason autoconfig stopped working |
| 00:10.22 | Sue | and i've just taken to assigning addresses starting from ::2 |
| 00:10.57 | Sue | even when it worked, autoconfig failed for some reason... i guess i have to switch to vt2 and add the address and route manually |
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| 00:15.29 | ksdncv | TJ- for a start capacitors look fine, but the 7.5V supply that came with it is giving 11.8 volts, either something is mis labeled, or this is going to be a bit more complicated than just replacing capacitors |
| 00:16.10 | dalias | ksdncv, i didn't see the whole conv, but sometimes power supplies output high voltage when there's no load |
| 00:16.25 | ksdncv | that was when connected to the load, when unconected goes up to 13V |
| 00:16.26 | TJ- | ksdncv: Are you measuring that without a load? |
| 00:17.04 | TJ- | ksdncv: OK, that suggests the 'load' side of the device isn't pulling power... look for fuses, diodes, or other capacitors further down the line |
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| 00:25.32 | ksdncv | seems stable 3.4V at the output of the buck converter |
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| 00:26.37 | TJ- | ksdncv: what make/model is it? |
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| 00:27.13 | ksdncv | a dlink one, at least is not one expensive model |
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| 00:31.20 | ksdncv | anyways, for now am going to sleep soon, will try to look a bit more on it tomorrow, at least still have the old 100mbit one as backup, again thanks for the help today, and for pointing out the switch, otherwise might still been stuck by now trying to guess why kernel didnt use network properly (which once had trouble with the mainboard and some kernels too, but wasnt actually the case today) |
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| 00:50.02 | jak_ | who |
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| 01:08.07 | viccuad | why isn't there an option on the debian install to setup it like a desktop or laptop? you select it, it blacklists the pc speaker, it doesn't add the usb sticks to /etc/fstab so they don't get mounted as root, it may install laptop-mode, etc |
| 01:08.15 | viccuad | it would make sense |
| 01:08.33 | viccuad | right now debian does not shine at all on desktop, and other distros made all the work |
| 01:09.28 | centrx | k I'll get right on it |
| 01:09.32 | SirLagz | viccuad: why shouldn't it add USB sticks to /etc/fstab ? |
| 01:10.04 | SirLagz | viccuad: or do you mean that it doesn't and it should ? |
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| 01:11.23 | viccuad | SirLagz: I mean, it adds the USB stick used for install to etc/fstab. then it get's mounted as root. and you can't just unplug it and plug it. good for servers, not so good for laptops. |
| 01:11.46 | SirLagz | viccuad: do you mean during the install ? Or after the system is running ? |
| 01:12.13 | viccuad | after the install. in the installed system, the usb is on /etc/fstab |
| 01:12.46 | viccuad | i have had it interfere with my usbs when i plug them in. maybe that isn't an issue anymore? but the /etc/fstab entrance is there |
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| 01:13.12 | SirLagz | viccuad: I see. Can't say I've used USBs to install debian in a long time, but the last time I did, I don't recall it being an issue |
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| 01:14.18 | SirLagz | I don't think it was even added to fstab IIRC, but if it was, I haven't had the USB plugged in since I installed Debian and it hasn't stopped anything working |
| 01:14.47 | viccuad | my problem was when i was using my debian desktop and then plugged an usb stick |
| 01:14.54 | viccuad | it didn't automount, etc, on gnome-shell |
| 01:15.00 | SirLagz | ah I see |
| 01:15.11 | viccuad | commenting that line on fstab (and rebooting) fixed it |
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| 01:16.06 | viccuad | what about pcspkr blacklisting for desktops? |
| 01:16.13 | SirLagz | viccuad: not sure about that one |
| 01:16.16 | viccuad | rest of the distros do it |
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| 01:16.42 | SirLagz | viccuad: why do you want it to be blacklisted ? |
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| 01:17.32 | viccuad | for desktops/laptops, it makes sense. it does not make sense to press backspace on the web browser entrance or the shell and have a very loud ugly beep |
| 01:17.51 | viccuad | for servers, of course it should be there |
| 01:18.03 | viccuad | but ubuntu, does not have it. and ubuntu server has the beep |
| 01:18.21 | viccuad | same for fedora, centos, etc |
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| 01:19.07 | viccuad | you could just blacklist it if you are using X, but that's not optimal and you can install X on a server |
| 01:20.15 | SirLagz | viccuad: I don't think I've heard the ugly beep while I've been in X at all even though I don't blacklist pcspkr[B[B |
| 01:20.29 | viccuad | I hear always :( |
| 01:20.40 | SirLagz | hmm...odd |
| 01:20.42 | viccuad | 2 times this week, I reinstalled debian 7 on my dell 1320 laptop |
| 01:20.56 | viccuad | now on testing, and i blacklisted pcskpr manually |
| 01:21.06 | viccuad | pcspkr* |
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| 01:35.16 | malavoie | hi ! I'm trying to install nividia driver on jessie debian and I have a wiki that says to install nvidia-kernel-dkms but I can't find it in jessie repositories. |
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| 01:36.01 | zykotick9 | malavoie: it's broken right now. you might want to try #debian-next of OFTC for further jessie support BTW. welcome to testing ;) |
| 01:36.01 | viccuad | malavoie: is not currently in jessie, it isn't compatible with xserver 1.16 |
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| 01:36.40 | malavoie | thanks you guys ! I'll look it out ! |
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| 01:36.58 | viccuad | malavoie: wait from 3 to 5 days at least, or maybe more, to get the 340 driver to enter testing |
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| 01:43.16 | dazoe | How do i add an options line to my resolv.conf? i'm using dhcp with the networking service not networkmanager |
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| 01:49.04 | themill | dazoe: use the resolvconf package and add the options line to the /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail file |
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| 01:52.14 | dazoe | when i try a service networking restart it just releases the ip and doesn't re-request an ip. why is that? |
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| 01:54.15 | themill | "networking" is pretty vague and everyone has different ideas of what it should do (which is why it tells you it is deprecated). Instead, you can do what you actually wanted (ifdown eth0; ifup eth0) |
| 01:56.35 | dazoe | when does it tell you it's deprecated? |
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| 02:01.54 | asterismo | hi guys |
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| 02:04.36 | OldParr | i installed gnash but chromium still asks for adobe flash player, and do not display any flash |
| 02:05.11 | jmcnaught | OldParr: i think gnash uses the NPAPI that chromium stopped using. You probably need pepper flash |
| 02:05.32 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell OldParr -about pepper flash |
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| 02:11.07 | viccuad | jmcnaught: is there anything more to install on chromium to get it closer to chrome? |
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| 02:11.32 | centrx | viccuad, spyware |
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| 02:11.51 | themill | dazoe: when you run it |
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| 02:13.55 | viccuad | centrx: that was my point, get as close to chrome without the spyware xD |
| 02:14.33 | jmcnaught | viccuad: I don't know, I don't use it. I prefer Iceweasel, and I have flash installed but disabled in that. |
| 02:15.02 | OldParr | jmcnaught: just adding: deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie] main contrib |
| 02:15.19 | OldParr | i can not find it in that repo |
| 02:15.45 | viccuad | its in "nonfree" |
| 02:16.00 | OldParr | ok |
| 02:16.12 | jmcnaught | OldParr: make you you don't mix releases. If you're using Wheezy only add the wheezy line |
| 02:16.28 | viccuad | also, that |
| 02:16.36 | viccuad | you are making a mess of a frankendebian |
| 02:16.39 | viccuad | !frankendebian |
| 02:16.40 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 02:16.45 | jmcnaught | also pepperflashplugin-nonfree is in contrib |
| 02:17.00 | viccuad | oh |
| 02:17.16 | OldParr | maybe is the release mix the problem |
| 02:17.24 | viccuad | yes it is, i eat my words |
| 02:17.55 | themill | it's also in wheezy-backports not in wheezy |
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| 02:19.10 | OldParr | contrib is the option preferd by dpkg |
| 02:19.45 | OldParr | dpkg shows contrib as first option |
| 02:19.46 | dpkg | OldParr: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 02:29.02 | linux-fox | is the current point release debian 7.6? |
| 02:29.03 | viccuad | is there a better way of having chromium as up-to-date as possible than taking it from sid and apt-pinning? |
| 02:29.30 | viccuad | linux-fox: yes, 7.6 since 12th july |
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| 02:30.16 | linux-fox | viccuad, thank you |
| 02:30.28 | SirLagz | viccuad: I'm guessing you could probably get the .deb packages from Google themselves. |
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| 02:33.26 | viccuad | SirLagz: I don't see chromium built by google, only chrome |
| 02:34.07 | viccuad | there's an ubuntu ppa that one could try on debian, but.. :/ |
| 02:34.35 | centrx | viccuad, Best way to is to use the Debian package, the newest reliable version of which would be in sid |
| 02:34.59 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 02:35.50 | centrx | newest version not in experimental which is usually broken |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | If you want Chrome, just use Chrome |
| 02:37.25 | OldParr | is this line well written: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib ? |
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| 02:37.46 | abrotman | use http.debian.net instead of ftp.us.debian.org .. but otherwise, yes |
| 02:38.22 | jmcnaught | OldParr: also if you're having trouble with your sources.list you could put the whole file on http://paste.debian.net for folks to take a look |
| 02:38.47 | themill | OldParr: pepperflash is not in that repo, however. |
| 02:38.53 | OldParr | abrotman: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ was written by the debian installer |
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| 02:39.16 | themill | OldParr: because you selected it. |
| 02:39.44 | abrotman | OldParr: that's fine, my statement sitll stands |
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| 02:44.14 | OldParr | abrotman: loke this ? deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 02:44.20 | OldParr | like |
| 02:44.27 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:44.37 | viccuad | abrotman: I want chromium, not chrome |
| 02:45.04 | dotDeb | viccuad what's the problem? |
| 02:45.51 | viccuad | there's no problem, just asking if it was a better solution for having an updated chromium than pulling if from sid |
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| 02:46.18 | themill | viccuad: wheezy and sid have the same version of chromium. there's no need to do that |
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| 02:46.33 | centrx | viccuad, Use the version in testing. If there is a security issue, grab the version from sid, but it only matters for a few days anyway. |
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| 02:46.58 | OldParr | abrotman: just for curiosity why changing us.debian.org for debian.net ? |
| 02:47.12 | themill | dpkg: tell OldParr about ftp.us.debian.org |
| 02:47.18 | abrotman | versions chromium |
| 02:47.24 | abrotman | judd: versions chromium |
| 02:47.25 | viccuad | but then I need to proactively be aware of security issues. comparing that to just install chrome and google's repo, its a pitty :( |
| 02:47.26 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 35.0.1916.153-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 35.0.1916.153-1~deb7u1; jessie: 35.0.1916.153-2; sid: 35.0.1916.153-2; experimental: 36.0.1985.103-1 |
| 02:47.37 | abrotman | They're all the same .. anyone else notice this? |
| 02:47.42 | viccuad | but then, you are just installing chrome binary and that package as root, ugh |
| 02:47.55 | themill | viccuad: which release of debian are you running? |
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| 02:48.03 | viccuad | testing |
| 02:48.10 | centrx | OldParr, http.debian.net selects a mirror that is working, has your requested arch/section/etc., and is close to you geographically and network-wise |
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| 02:48.26 | themill | viccuad: then you should expect to have to do some leg work. Testing is called testing for a reason |
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| 02:48.30 | viccuad | they are all the same, but, how does it work when the freeze takes over? do also web browser get frozen? |
| 02:48.50 | abrotman | yes .. |
| 02:48.53 | centrx | viccuad, You can sign up for Debian security updates, the announcement mailing list |
| 02:49.06 | abrotman | viccuad: Perhaps before you try to fuck up your system, you actually understand what you're trying to do? |
| 02:49.10 | viccuad | centrx: that's a good idea, in fact |
| 02:49.41 | somiaj | viccuad: currecntly the security team supports webbrowers. Icewesel uses the supported esr release from firefox, and secuirty brings in a more recent version of chormium (than was released with wheezy) |
| 02:49.59 | viccuad | abrotman: there's no need to be so harsh. I'm just trying to grasp how packing web browsers work, as they are quite unique |
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| 02:50.24 | viccuad | fyi, im just using chrome with google's repo, and icedove |
| 02:50.26 | abrotman | viccuad: no, they aren't |
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| 02:50.48 | OldParr | can i mix us.debian.org and debian.net --http://paste.debian.net/110721/ |
| 02:50.51 | viccuad | abrotman: well, one expects them to be more up to date than other packages |
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| 02:51.31 | viccuad | and in fact they are, as somiaj says, and they are supported by the security team then. |
| 02:52.12 | abrotman | viccuad: Why? because you surf the web using a GUI browser? |
| 02:52.20 | jmcnaught | OldParr: might as well use http.debian.net for all of them. https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList has a reasonable example. Also for pepper flash you need wheezy-backports: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 02:53.09 | dotDeb | abrotman what? you use wget like stallman? :P |
| 02:53.15 | viccuad | abrotman: because it makes no sense to have a freeze, and have web browsers lagging versions up to 1-2 years. that's a big security hole. |
| 02:53.25 | viccuad | for web browser, which are a major vector attack |
| 02:53.36 | viccuad | so, yes, it makes sense to look at them differently |
| 02:53.57 | abrotman | viccuad: then perhaps Debian isn't the distro for you |
| 02:54.02 | centrx | viccuad, That's how it used to be, security updates are generally backported. This exception for browsers has started since then. |
| 02:54.14 | viccuad | centrx: thanks |
| 02:54.15 | abrotman | and apparently you don't understand how security updates work in Debian .. |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | which goes back to my original point |
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| 02:55.05 | viccuad | so, abrotman , you say there's no exception for browsers? |
| 02:55.11 | dotDeb | I haven't been following: I thought Debian had the same browser version across Debian versions? |
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| 02:55.28 | centrx | viccuad, We got a lot of /msg dpkg sns here |
| 02:55.31 | abrotman | viccuad: Look at the changelogs |
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| 02:56.29 | dotDeb | I'm confused, do debian stable browsers have security problems? |
| 02:56.47 | centrx | dotDeb, no |
| 02:56.52 | viccuad | centrx: but the browsers issue is a security one, not a shiny new shit one |
| 02:57.22 | dotDeb | centrx good thanks |
| 02:57.24 | centrx | viccuad, It used to be more feasible to backport security fixes, or maybe they just thought it was unnecessary work. |
| 02:57.40 | viccuad | so, centrx is saying to me that browsers are kept up to date as much as possible, between all debian versions, and abrotman is saying that it isn't that way |
| 02:58.19 | abrotman | I didn't say that, I said you're trying to break your system to fix problems that don't exist because you don't understand how things work |
| 02:58.25 | centrx | viccuad, I think he is just warning you about using testing, and that "new versions" is not a sufficient reason to use testing. |
| 02:58.47 | OldParr | >abrotman: can you check this sources.list please i do not feel sure about this http://paste.debian.net/110723/ |
| 02:59.00 | abrotman | centrx: and there isn't a "new" version |
| 02:59.18 | viccuad | centrx: I'm aware of that, I'm using testing because I want to be useful submitting bugs. I'm just curious of how browsers are packaged, since I couldn't find literature online |
| 02:59.28 | viccuad | centrx: thanks |
| 03:00.07 | abrotman | OldParr: Seems fine, mostly |
| 03:00.19 | OldParr | thnaks |
| 03:01.03 | centrx | viccuad, Same way as other packages, except the popular browsers can take 4GB of RAM or more to compile. And this security thing is unique for chromium, since iceweasel uses the ESR |
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| 03:05.17 | viccuad | also, abrotman |
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| 03:05.33 | viccuad | judd: versions chromium |
| 03:05.35 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 35.0.1916.153-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 35.0.1916.153-1~deb7u1; jessie: 35.0.1916.153-2; sid: 35.0.1916.153-2; experimental: 36.0.1985.103-1 |
| 03:05.53 | centrx | Same upstream version |
| 03:05.57 | viccuad | they aren't the same. note the difference between jessie-sid and experimental |
| 03:06.05 | centrx | experimental is different |
| 03:06.10 | OldParr | themill: nice information you sent me thanks |
| 03:06.18 | viccuad | isnt the "-2" debian specific? |
| 03:06.29 | viccuad | couldn't it be patched from security? |
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| 03:06.46 | OldParr | jmcnaught: thanks |
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| 03:07.04 | centrx | viccuad, sid is not really covered by the security team except for the purposes of release |
| 03:07.18 | viccuad | I'm aware of that |
| 03:07.36 | pira7e | i'm aware that you're aware of being aware |
| 03:07.52 | viccuad | you can't lag a lot on security updates for being on testing-sid |
| 03:07.57 | viccuad | CAN* |
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| 03:08.38 | centrx | viccuad, Yes, it's most important for public servers, which should use stable. |
| 03:09.15 | centrx | viccuad, Desktops/clients have a much smaller surface area, the biggest part of which is the browsers, which are updated quickly for security problems in Debian, in sid too |
| 03:09.19 | OldParr | wheezy-backports: where is pepperflash ? |
| 03:10.16 | jmcnaught | OldParr: it's in wheezy-backports contrib. Did you look at the backports instructions? |
| 03:10.30 | OldParr | yes |
| 03:10.40 | OldParr | but it says testing (mostly) and unstable |
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| 03:11.05 | OldParr | i am a beginner to mess with testing (mostly) and unstable |
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| 03:12.06 | Shadow_7 | is pepperflash available on arm? |
| 03:13.00 | viccuad | Shadow_7: doesn't seem so: https://packages.debian.org/sid/pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:13.09 | OldParr | if pepperflash is a testing or unstable i think is better to avoid it |
| 03:13.10 | jmcnaught | OldParr: the point of backports is some software from testing/unstable is recompiled to work on stable (Wheezy). Using backports doesn't upgrade you to testing/unstable. |
| 03:13.12 | viccuad | only amd64 and i386 packages (at the end of the page) |
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| 03:13.38 | jmcnaught | OldParr: or just use Iceweasel and flashplugin-nonfree (or don't use flash at all :) |
| 03:14.02 | dotDeb | who needs flash anymore? |
| 03:14.20 | Shadow_7 | or use the one from adobe and hexedit it to report the windows version. Otherwise most flash sites just tell you to upgrade. |
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| 03:14.38 | OldParr | jmcnaught: we have one navigator for person in my family mine is chromium |
| 03:15.04 | glukt | lolwtf? |
| 03:15.17 | glukt | why not use multiple profiles in iceweasel? |
| 03:15.17 | jmcnaught | OldParr: do you mean each family member gets their own browser? Why not separate user accounts? |
| 03:15.29 | glukt | or multiple users yeah |
| 03:15.35 | Shadow_7 | or chroots |
| 03:15.49 | glukt | computers |
| 03:15.50 | SirLagz | or VMs ! |
| 03:15.58 | glukt | computers works better lol |
| 03:16.22 | SirLagz | multiseat configuration ! |
| 03:16.28 | glukt | you each get your own full disk encryption key |
| 03:16.39 | jmcnaught | OldParr: Linux supports multiple users to solve this exact problem. If everyone has their own user account, everyone can use the same browser and have their own settings, bookmarks etc |
| 03:16.40 | glukt | cant spy on each other |
| 03:17.09 | OldParr | glukt: less passwords to write |
| 03:17.16 | glukt | haha |
| 03:17.19 | Shadow_7 | Chroot comes in handy when your primary drive with the bootloader fails. |
| 03:17.22 | glukt | oh wait you're serious |
| 03:17.31 | viccuad | then set up the accounts to autologin, no passwords |
| 03:17.45 | viccuad | at least you have different settings |
| 03:18.19 | Shadow_7 | as long as the users don't have root access they can't spy on each other. Although they can see filenames, but not contents |
| 03:18.41 | glukt | Shadow_7: if you have physical access, you can just boot to live and spy on each other just fine |
| 03:19.12 | Shadow_7 | which is what UEFI is supposed to help prevent |
| 03:19.20 | glukt | which is disableable |
| 03:19.37 | Shadow_7 | which can have password protection to prevent that |
| 03:19.45 | glukt | then the person with the bios password can still spy |
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| 03:19.59 | glukt | and actually cant you just reset CMOS to bypass that? |
| 03:20.02 | Shadow_7 | although physical access, means you can remove the drive ofc |
| 03:20.11 | OldParr | jmcnaught: we all use the same user |
| 03:20.23 | Shadow_7 | glukt: ofc, but you have to open it up and pull the battery |
| 03:20.42 | glukt | easier than pulling the hard drive :P |
| 03:21.07 | Shadow_7 | if you're that far into it, might as well pull the drive and plop it in a docking station |
| 03:21.08 | jmcnaught | OldParr: You should use different users. If the problem is too many passwords, use the same password (not really recommended but no less secure than what you're doing now) |
| 03:21.20 | Shadow_7 | most cases have quick release clamps these days |
| 03:21.49 | glukt | Shadow_7: i like it, each person gets their own full disk encrypted drive... but then you can just hack the bios and root their shit |
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| 03:23.42 | viccuad | or you can boot on monouser, i don't remember the init level |
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| 03:23.50 | OldParr | we strive for comunism |
| 03:23.53 | viccuad | and you have a prompt with access to all |
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| 03:24.34 | glukt | viccuad: not if the drive is encrypted |
| 03:24.40 | jmcnaught | OldParr: well do what ever you want, but this is the whole reason the multiple users feature exists. Trying to get a different browser installed for each family member is doing it the hard way |
| 03:24.41 | viccuad | glukt: that's true |
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| 03:25.13 | viccuad | yep |
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| 03:25.29 | glukt | OldParr: i hope you dont get another family member anytime soon! might run out of browsers and have to pop up a VM to get IE working :P |
| 03:25.32 | viccuad | and maybe some family member does not see so well and want's the fonts to be 60 |
| 03:25.40 | viccuad | heh! |
| 03:26.31 | dotDeb | I don't understand why they cant all use the same browser but I haven't been paying attention |
| 03:27.10 | jmcnaught | dotDeb: everyone's sharing a single user account |
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| 03:27.35 | dotDeb | jncnaught what's the problem with that? |
| 03:27.40 | viccuad | it's... |
| 03:28.01 | viccuad | would you only have 1 chair for a family of 4 members? |
| 03:28.23 | dotDeb | I meant I don't understand why that means they all need different browsers |
| 03:28.24 | glukt | dotDeb: because their solution is that one member gets chromium, one member gets firefox, one member gets... opera?... etc |
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| 03:28.40 | dotDeb | glukt yea why not all use the same browser |
| 03:28.42 | viccuad | so they can have each their own settings, extensions, ... |
| 03:28.43 | glukt | dotDeb: yeah thats our point... they could use multiple profiles or multiple users easily |
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| 03:29.03 | dotDeb | viccuad uh ok |
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| 03:29.21 | dotDeb | doesn't seem too important if they can't even configure multiple users |
| 03:29.22 | OldParr | i can not find pepper flash not even in whezzy-backpports |
| 03:29.27 | viccuad | its like instead of setting up the seat and mirrors of the car, you buy other car |
| 03:29.31 | dotDeb | oldparr why do you need it |
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| 03:29.54 | OldParr | dotDeb: for chromium |
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| 03:30.06 | glukt | chromium comes with flash built in |
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| 03:30.09 | dotDeb | oldparr but why do you need flash at all? |
| 03:30.10 | glukt | i thought |
| 03:30.10 | jmcnaught | OldParr: did you update after adding wheezy-backports? |
| 03:30.13 | dotDeb | no glukt |
| 03:30.36 | glukt | i havent used it in awhile, does chromium have the nonfree stuff removed? that makes sense |
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| 03:30.59 | dotDeb | glukt chromium is the fully free basis of chrome |
| 03:31.21 | dotDeb | glukt nothing is removed to create it, things are added to make chrome |
| 03:31.54 | glukt | dotDeb: i guess im thinking of other distros that add flash to their chromium packages (ive never used chrome itself) |
| 03:32.14 | dotDeb | glukt I don't see any reason to need flash anymore |
| 03:32.22 | dotDeb | flash is on the way out |
| 03:32.26 | dotDeb | html5 is the future |
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| 03:32.56 | glukt | dotDeb: thats the problem, though, its the future not the present... there are tons of video embedded plugins that still require flash to operate |
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| 03:33.25 | dotDeb | glukt apparently they aren't very common because I rarely run into them |
| 03:33.27 | glukt | plus i still cant for the life of me get youtube to save my preference for the html5 viewer |
| 03:33.45 | dotDeb | glukt there are Firefox and chrome extensions for ie |
| 03:33.46 | dotDeb | it |
| 03:33.48 | dotDeb | * |
| 03:33.49 | jmcnaught | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-without-flash/ not sure if there is a chromium equivalent |
| 03:34.22 | glukt | oh awesome i had no idea about that, thanks for the tip dotDeb, jmcnaught |
| 03:34.41 | dotDeb | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/html5-video-for-youtube/dolajcekhnohkpncmhgledbmndjpblei?hl=en |
| 03:34.46 | dotDeb | there ya go |
| 03:35.09 | glukt | " |
| 03:35.17 | glukt | Youtube: The comments do not load when the video is detected on page load." |
| 03:35.21 | glukt | that sounds like a feature not a bug |
| 03:35.37 | dotDeb | hahahaha |
| 03:35.40 | jmcnaught | glukt: gnash can also play youtube videos (but not in chromium) |
| 03:35.48 | dotDeb | gnash is ok |
| 03:35.51 | glukt | gnash still crashes for me |
| 03:35.51 | dotDeb | a little wonky |
| 03:36.02 | dotDeb | for YouTube? |
| 03:36.06 | dotDeb | should work fine |
| 03:36.10 | glukt | yep it does |
| 03:36.15 | glukt | causes the browser to crash |
| 03:36.18 | glukt | it works about 30% of the time |
| 03:36.19 | dotDeb | hmm |
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| 03:36.31 | dotDeb | html5>gnash |
| 03:36.42 | glukt | well duh |
| 03:38.03 | chopsticksavage | Unfortunately I still need flash for my university, they record all the lectures but they only release them through a flash video player... but it will change eventually |
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| 03:38.28 | centrx | Dare them to fail you for your refusal to use non-free software |
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| 03:39.02 | dotDeb | chopsticksavage that blows |
| 03:39.52 | OldParr | http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/Release: Unable to find expected entry 'wheezy-backports/binary-amd64/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 03:39.55 | glukt | centrx: yeah that will go well... |
| 03:40.18 | chopsticksavage | "you call this a *liberal* arts degree?!" haha |
| 03:40.25 | dotDeb | hahaha |
| 03:40.50 | dotDeb | chopsticksavage what plugin is it exactly? |
| 03:41.03 | jmcnaught | maybe we could move the discussion about flash into #debian-offtopic |
| 03:41.21 | dotDeb | maybe |
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| 03:44.17 | jmcnaught | OldParr: you could put your sources.list on paste.debian.net again |
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| 03:46.22 | OldParr | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/110727/ |
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| 03:48.18 | jmcnaught | OldParr: remove "wheezy-backports" from the end of line 8. wheezy-backports gets its own line. http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ tells you the line to add.. you need to add "contrib" to the end of the additional line |
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| 03:51.07 | OldParr | add a line --> deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main contrib ? |
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| 03:51.53 | jmcnaught | OldParr: also if you're going to have "contrib non-free" on line 8, you should probably add "contrib non-free" to lines 9, 11, 12, 15, 16 as well. |
| 03:52.19 | jmcnaught | OldParr: yes that line looks like the one you want to add |
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| 03:52.45 | OldParr | ok it updated well !! |
| 03:52.55 | OldParr | lets see |
| 03:53.32 | OldParr | i found pepper falsh thank you |
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| 03:54.01 | dotDeb | oldparr what do you need pepper flash for? |
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| 03:56.19 | OldParr | dotDeb: cromium to surf the web |
| 03:56.46 | dotDeb | oldparr chromium works fine without flash. I'm asking which sites |
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| 03:58.49 | dotDeb | oldparr most sites don't need flash |
| 03:59.06 | OldParr | i can not remember exactly, but a few days ago while experiencing some surfing problem in the web i decided to give chromium a flash |
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| 03:59.28 | dotDeb | oldparr what? |
| 03:59.34 | heurist | OldParr: remeber to also install a flash-block plugin. |
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| 04:01.41 | heurist | BlastHardcheese: line numbers and context and such. |
| 04:01.46 | jmcnaught | OldParr: I would also strongly recommend you consider using separate user account for each family member. Under Gnome this can be done in System Settings > User Accounts. Then people can all use the same browser but with their own settings and bookmarks. Each family member can have their own desktop background, organize their files however they want to. It's been a core feature of UNIX (which Linux is based on) since the 70s :) |
| 04:01.58 | dotDeb | ^ |
| 04:02.18 | OldParr | jmcnaught: thank you |
| 04:03.00 | OldParr | heurist: flash-block ? what is that |
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| 04:03.46 | heurist | OldParr: plugin from chrome store. |
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| 04:04.19 | dotDeb | oldparr flash is not updated for Linux AFAIK so its good to block it when you're not using it |
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| 04:05.40 | OldParr | dotDeb: thnaks , i am going to reboot |
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| 04:15.59 | rryoumaa | tiger is telling me xdg-open, xdg-screensaver, and xprop are listening on every interface. is this a false positive, are those only inward-facing ports, or can they be made not to listen? |
| 04:16.09 | rryoumaa | (it's also telling me vlc is listening) |
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| 04:35.54 | glukt | rryoumaa: if "every interface" then thats not inward-facing |
| 04:36.01 | glukt | rryoumaa: do you have a firewall configured? |
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| 04:36.28 | glukt | rryoumaa: also, if you test from a different computer you'll see which ports can be accessed remotely |
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| 04:38.48 | rryoumaa | it is every interface. but the strange thing in vlc's case (not hte others) is that the port number is one that i entered into deluge |
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| 04:39.12 | rryoumaa | i have a firewall |
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| 04:40.27 | glukt | rryoumaa: sometimes portscanners detect based on the port number and not off of the actual service fingerprint... nmap is better at service fingerprinting than other software for port scanning |
| 04:40.30 | rryoumaa | however, doesn't pretty much everybody's firewall allow connections that have been established from the inside? i suppose i could block those programs specifically. |
| 04:40.51 | glukt | rryoumaa: they just look up the port in /etc/services |
| 04:41.08 | glukt | rryoumaa: most, yes, but you shouldnt blacklist programs you should whitelist them |
| 04:41.17 | rryoumaa | glukt: i mean that the port number (not the name) is one that i entered into deluge and vlc should not know about htat port any more than any other port |
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| 04:41.28 | rryoumaa | i like the idea of whitelisting |
| 04:41.46 | glukt | rryoumaa: block by default, allow only those programs you need remotely.. that way if you install new software that starts listening and you didnt realize, you dont have a port open that you didnt know about |
| 04:42.37 | glukt | rryoumaa: basically what i mean is that you accidentally picked a random port that happens to be the default for VLC's server stuff (i think it can stream video remotely or something) |
| 04:42.52 | glukt | rryoumaa: tiger probably is just guessing based on the number, knowing that port number is the default for VLC |
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| 04:44.29 | rryoumaa | ah. big coincidence then. |
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| 04:46.06 | rryoumaa | is iptables good at blocking by programs? |
| 04:47.17 | jmcnaught | rryoumaa: did you follow glukt's suggestion to do a port scan from a different computer? |
| 04:47.24 | rryoumaa | jmcnaught: i don't have such a computer |
| 04:47.34 | rryoumaa | i've done it from sites that do that, and i'm fine |
| 04:47.41 | rryoumaa | like grc's |
| 04:48.35 | jmcnaught | rryoumaa: those sites are probably scanning your public IP address. Maybe next time you have a friend over who has a laptop you could get them to port scan your computer from inside the LAN, that will give you a better idea |
| 04:49.02 | dotDeb | what's the problem? |
| 04:49.08 | glukt | rryoumaa: so program based blocking is harder on linux because there is only the process tree and PID to go off of... PIDs change each time its executed, so not really a good way to do it, processes can be renamed before being executed, so again, not very good for blocking.... mostly its just done through mass port blocking and allowing only those ports that you want... that being said, selinux is able to do stuff like that just isnt really that easy to us |
| 04:49.27 | dotDeb | are we talking about firewalls? |
| 04:49.29 | glukt | rryoumaa: grc's for instance is probably scanning your router, which is filtering probably all your traffic for you |
| 04:49.32 | dotDeb | I use firestarter |
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| 04:49.53 | glukt | i wasnt even aware firestarter was still around, interesting i should see what its like modern day |
| 04:50.03 | glukt | i generalyl do server stuff though |
| 04:50.11 | dotDeb | glukt I find it more featured than ufw |
| 04:50.19 | rryoumaa | i find that deluge uses a lot of different ports, dunno if it would work in practice |
| 04:50.25 | dotDeb | glukt but I'm not too experienced with firewalls |
| 04:51.18 | glukt | dotDeb: is firestarter not in debian? or actaully it might be nonfree? i cant remember... i know a lot of security software of old was non-free like tripwire |
| 04:51.40 | dotDeb | I don't think its in nonfree since I don't use the nonfree repo |
| 04:51.45 | glukt | maybe contrib |
| 04:51.58 | glukt | er... i have contrib |
| 04:52.09 | rryoumaa | firestarter looks like it is on its way out |
| 04:52.25 | dotDeb | it is |
| 04:52.27 | dotDeb | I just like it |
| 04:52.30 | glukt | im on jessie i wonder if they already removed it |
| 04:52.37 | glukt | for testing |
| 04:52.40 | dotDeb | I don't use contrib either |
| 04:53.16 | rryoumaa | i don't favor gui tools unless they also work on cli or tui, and if you can inspect the iptables calls they do |
| 04:53.35 | glukt | rryoumaa: but anyway, iptables when i was last doing desktop based firewalling the most was just phasing in different ways of adding process based filtering, i think there are some modern modules that do it |
| 04:53.55 | glukt | rryoumaa: all firestarter and such are just iptables wrappers |
| 04:54.08 | dotDeb | ^ |
| 04:54.20 | jmcnaught | Tripwire is GPL i'm pretty sure |
| 04:54.24 | dotDeb | there's one for android too |
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| 04:55.19 | glukt | "In 1997, Gene Kim co-founded Tripwire, Inc. The rights to the Tripwire name and technology were attained, and a commercial version of the product, Tripwire for Servers was released soon thereafter. In 2000, Tripwire contributed source code functionally equivalent to the academic source release to the open source community to enable Open Source Tripwire." |
| 04:55.27 | glukt | yeah see how long ago im talking about lol |
| 04:55.58 | glukt | i like ossec better anyway, but thats offtopic |
| 04:56.16 | rryoumaa | isn't that more enterprisey? |
| 04:56.26 | rryoumaa | oh, not in wheezy, gotcha |
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| 04:57.35 | glukt | well tripwire and ossec are HIDS, not firewalls |
| 04:57.44 | glukt | as i said, offtopic :) |
| 04:58.16 | glukt | i like to talk about random things sometimes |
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| 04:58.47 | glukt | rryoumaa: anyway, so if you want to see what your iptables rules are, take a look at `iptables -nvL` |
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| 04:59.14 | glukt | the policy part is your default, so "DROP" means by default you are blacklisting, ACCEPT would be by default you are whitelisting |
| 04:59.32 | glukt | for INPUT is probably all you'll care about |
| 05:00.00 | qman | I just wrote a shell script to set up iptables, its not that hard |
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| 05:00.33 | qman | Drop it in /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 05:00.43 | glukt | qman: why? by default we have iptables-save now |
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| 05:01.12 | unclezipper | I have a weird, non-debian specific question. Maybe someone here could point me in the right direction |
| 05:01.16 | qman | Iptables-save sucks, really limited |
| 05:01.22 | formorer | use ferm |
| 05:01.45 | glukt | qman: how so? it saves the entire table, you then use iptables-restore... pretty simple and fully supported |
| 05:02.03 | formorer | its just unreadable, if things are getting complex. |
| 05:02.13 | qman | My router's script does port forwarding from an external file, and does both ipv4 and ipv6 |
| 05:02.16 | rryoumaa | i used to use a shell script for iptables, then i decided that a bunch of people maintaining a well-maintained project will be able to keep up with iptables syntax changes (that did happen to me) and blah blan > /proc/whatever stuff better than me. i don't regret delegating iptables to trusted people. |
| 05:03.17 | glukt | just dont use sopeq ;) |
| 05:04.33 | unclezipper | The short version: My girlfriend is taking classes online at a university. We paid $30 for "course material," meaning access to a digital version of the book the course is based on for 5 weeks. She wants to keep it so she can study it after the class is over, but the catch is that even though we paid for it they won't give her a copy, she has to use their web viewer. |
| 05:04.41 | qman | Another important bit is that my script is a lot more readable and therefore more easily modified |
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| 05:05.50 | rryoumaa | yes, i found that too, when i was willing to keep up with all the changes manually |
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| 05:06.18 | unclezipper | Since it requires a login, how could I save everything locally so she can read it after the course is over, without manually going and saving it page-by-page? |
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| 05:07.07 | glukt | qman: how does it compare to this? just curious this is about 10 years old: https://github.com/BCable/sopeq/blob/master/documentation |
| 05:07.09 | themill | unclezipper: how many pages is it? What sort of login does it use? |
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| 05:08.02 | unclezipper | themill: Around 600 something pages, more than I'm willing to do manually. It uses session-based authentication I think |
| 05:08.23 | qman | glukt: way, way simpler |
| 05:08.51 | glukt | qman: skip down to the RULES section, the top is generally not supposed to be touched |
| 05:09.10 | themill | unclezipper: You can export the cookie for the session auth from iceweasel and then get wget or curl to walk to site with that cookie jar (You'd probably want to change the user agent string and add in some random waits too). |
| 05:09.13 | formorer | (ferm) |
| 05:09.28 | qman | The script is basically iptables rules abbreviated with variables for commands and networks, then I have a loop that reads a file for port forwards |
| 05:09.44 | themill | unclezipper: Alternatively, there are downloader addons for iceweasel that can help do this |
| 05:10.03 | qman | In the format: ipv4 proto port range ipv6 comment |
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| 05:11.03 | glukt | qman: for looping that makes sense |
| 05:11.26 | glukt | qman: though if you work on iptables while its live, then iptables-save, you can just loop the commands then too |
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| 05:11.55 | unclezipper | themill: Call me stupid, but curl didn't even come to mind... Probably because I'm not too used to using it. It always has the book content in a div with id="content," could curl grab just that div or would I need to parse it after the fact? |
| 05:12.09 | avshalom | oh dear, i've made a mistake and installed a package that puts an "icon dock" along the right side of my KDE desktop |
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| 05:12.42 | avshalom | "Config" "Web Browser" ... "Audacious" ... |
| 05:13.10 | avshalom | does anyone recognize this? (so that I can delete it) |
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| 05:14.02 | themill | unclezipper: curl and wget download pages not sections of pages, but don't you need the entire page rather than just one div in it? |
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| 05:17.18 | unclezipper | themill: That's what I thought... but no, not really. A lot of each page is the top bar with the uni name and there's a big unsightly nav bar on the left that will just be wasting space on my drive 600 times over. I just want the text from the book, but I guess I can remove the relevant section after each page is downloaded |
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| 05:20.02 | themill | unclezipper: yeah, you'd need to post-process the html to get just that div if that's what you wanted. If you're lucky, you might be able to use an xml tool like xmlstarlet or an xslt to grab it quite easily. |
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| 05:23.33 | unclezipper | Well, thanks themill. I wasn't really expecting anybody to be able to help with such a strange problem |
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| 05:24.34 | themill | unclezipper: getting the auth to work out might prove to be quite a bit of work btw. See how you go with it. |
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| 05:25.51 | unclezipper | I'll try with the portal until I'm sure the auth will work right :P |
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| 05:27.09 | themill | unclezipper: I've come across sites in the past where you needed to include all manner of other headers in the request because everything was actually a form. |
| 05:27.17 | avshalom | wbar... Warlock Bar... |
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| 05:28.12 | unclezipper | themill: I hope that's not the case... I've got things to do :P |
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| 06:05.55 | Whoopie | Hi, could someone explain me how I build packages based on the git repository? I'd like to build http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-virtualbox/virtualbox.git in my PPA, but how do I get the orig-dfsg tarball from git? |
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| 06:08.55 | themill | Whoopie: there's a pristine-tar branch there -- git-buildpackage will use it automatically for you or the pristine-tar command can extract it for you. (You need to tell git to fetch that branch for you too) |
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| 06:09.32 | formorer | always use gbp-clone if you want to be sure to have all relevant branches. |
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| 06:11.22 | Whoopie | formorer, themill: thanks, let me try. ;-) |
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| 06:12.29 | themill | formorer: does gbp-clone handle the case where the maintainer doesn't use git-bp or pristine-tar? |
| 06:13.19 | formorer | I am sure it can't handle every usecase. but it will at least fetch master, which isn't worse than just doing git clone by hand |
| 06:13.45 | themill | hopefully |
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| 06:14.46 | themill | wishes we could agree on a packaging workflow and just use it |
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| 06:24.48 | meek_geek | how do you do |
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| 06:33.05 | Whoopie | formorer, themill: works, thanks! And again something learned. |
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| 07:16.52 | solrize | any idea how much disk i need to install a debian desktop system? |
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| 07:17.04 | solrize | it's for an eee pc with a 4gb ssd |
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| 07:17.11 | SirLagz | solrize: I fit a Debian install onto a 512MB DOM |
| 07:17.18 | SirLagz | solrize: 4GB will work fine |
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| 07:17.39 | solrize | what's a dom? it's using around 900mb right now without the window system |
| 07:17.47 | solrize | just a vanilla install from the main cd vol 1 |
| 07:17.59 | SirLagz | Disk On Module. Essentially a couple of flash modules on an IDE plug |
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| 07:18.08 | solrize | ic |
| 07:18.17 | solrize | you must be using a reduced distro |
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| 07:18.31 | SirLagz | solrize: cut a standard install down to about 300MB |
| 07:18.44 | solrize | hmm |
| 07:19.06 | solrize | the installer got to a screen asking what configuration i wanted, but i hit return by accident and got the default, whatever that was |
| 07:19.19 | solrize | i may do the installaation over tomorrow... it was kind of time consuming |
| 07:19.31 | SirLagz | solrize: I just installed a Debian install that was just a base install + ssh server onto a 4GB usb stick |
| 07:19.53 | SirLagz | then installed a few things, 1.4G used |
| 07:19.56 | solrize | by base install do you mean netinst? |
| 07:20.00 | solrize | 1.4gb isn't bad |
| 07:20.08 | solrize | does that include X and a web browser? |
| 07:20.09 | SirLagz | solrize: no, the base install that the installer has |
| 07:20.14 | SirLagz | solrize: nope, just a console installation |
| 07:20.27 | solrize | ic. yeah that's around what i have now, using 900mb or so |
| 07:20.42 | solrize | i'd kind of like to install a browser even though the machine itself is wimpy |
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| 07:21.15 | SirLagz | If i tried, I could probably fit a base install with X and a browser into 512MB, but it'd be very squishy. |
| 07:21.17 | solrize | think i should use the xfce iso ? |
| 07:21.44 | solrize | box has 1gb of ram, i probably don't want to run gnome even if i have the disk space |
| 07:21.59 | formorer | I would even go down to lxde |
| 07:22.00 | SirLagz | solrize: I'd run something like fluxbox on the eeePC |
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| 07:22.13 | SirLagz | solrize: which eeePC is this ? |
| 07:22.22 | solrize | eee701 the original one |
| 07:22.31 | SirLagz | I have a eeePC 701 running crunchbang with openbox, still reasonable responsive |
| 07:22.32 | formorer | yeah, so lxde. |
| 07:22.38 | solrize | fluxbox hmm |
| 07:23.06 | SirLagz | as long as I don't open lots of tabs, firefox still runs ok |
| 07:23.13 | SirLagz | and don't install flash lol |
| 07:23.18 | solrize | cool there's an lxde cd-rom i'll download it |
| 07:23.21 | solrize | no i'll never run flash |
| 07:23.33 | solrize | i use dillo sometimes... it's shockingly fast |
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| 07:24.44 | solrize | anyway thanks for the advice.... i'm too tired to do another install tonight but will probably do it tomorrow from scratch agin |
| 07:24.45 | solrize | again |
| 07:24.54 | SirLagz | no problems |
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| 07:26.11 | brontosaurusrex | how about a tiler, like dwm? |
| 07:26.33 | brontosaurusrex | should be slightly lighter than open/fluxbox i'd imagine |
| 07:27.16 | brontosaurusrex | and with screen of that size, you'd be in "monocle" mode 100% of the time anyway |
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| 07:27.36 | solrize | yeah i've used xmonad on bigger screens |
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| 07:28.26 | brontosaurusrex | I have some notes on dwm setup if you wish (starting with fresh debian wheezy) |
| 07:28.34 | solrize | hmm sure |
| 07:28.44 | brontosaurusrex | a bit of a pain, but doable ... |
| 07:29.16 | brontosaurusrex | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/79532365/dwm/mdwiki.html#!dwm_on_fresh_debian.markdown < no waranty of any kind. |
| 07:29.28 | solrize | thanks |
| 07:30.06 | solrize | anyway i gotta sleep, thanks again / gnite |
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| 08:11.23 | artej | hi, is there a channel for proprietary drivers on debian? |
| 08:11.37 | artej | I think I need to pray to lilith here :D |
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| 08:11.47 | sprinf | Hello |
| 08:12.30 | sprinf | Please I am trying to update my debian using "apt-get update" and I have the following errors http://sprunge.us/eIWZ |
| 08:13.01 | artej | lsmod shows fglrx loaded but /var/log/Xorg.0.log says otherwise |
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| 08:14.30 | themill | sprinf: "unstable-updates" makes no sense. |
| 08:14.53 | artej | sprinf give us contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:15.36 | artej | probably some entries are wrong |
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| 08:19.27 | Zipf | Hi, i did a brand new fresh install of my debian, i'm trying copy files from my windows to debian, via gui Places, network |
| 08:19.44 | Zipf | but when i try copy any file i get an error saying i don't have permissions |
| 08:19.46 | Zipf | http://paste.debian.net/110740/ |
| 08:20.10 | Zipf | question is, how do i set read/write permission on entire /dev/sdb1 |
| 08:20.13 | Zipf | ? |
| 08:20.34 | artej | chmod -R a+rwx {folder} |
| 08:20.43 | artej | -R for recursive |
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| 08:21.17 | Zipf | chmod -R a+rwx /dev/sdb1 or chmod -R a+rwx /meida/DATA ? |
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| 08:21.42 | artej | ok, can you see what permissions do you have now? |
| 08:21.50 | artej | ls -l {folder} |
| 08:22.40 | artej | I think you don't have permission for reading from you old drive |
| 08:23.00 | artej | whatch for something like --rwx |
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| 08:23.13 | Zipf | http://paste.debian.net/110741/ |
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| 08:23.38 | artej | Zipf I am kinda stuck in terminal before I install dem proprietary drivers |
| 08:23.49 | artej | so can you give an example line here |
| 08:24.10 | Zipf | that's hard, since im new to linux, not sure what to do |
| 08:24.22 | Zipf | was just trying move some data from windows to this debian HD |
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| 08:24.31 | Zipf | it's the second HD actually |
| 08:24.33 | artej | I meant line from ls -l for some file in folder |
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| 08:24.52 | Zipf | there's no files there yet, u just created that 2 folders |
| 08:25.47 | artej | I asked for permissions of source files |
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| 08:26.11 | artej | oh I see |
| 08:26.14 | artej | sorry) |
| 08:26.19 | artej | haven't noticed |
| 08:26.26 | Zipf | no problem |
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| 08:27.09 | artej | Can you give rights for folders though? |
| 08:27.31 | artej | line for them must look like d[something] name |
| 08:27.57 | glukt | 03:21:16 < Zipf> chmod -R a+rwx /dev/sdb1 or chmod -R a+rwx /meida/DATA ? |
| 08:28.00 | glukt | Zipf: /media/DATA |
| 08:28.07 | Zipf | ok |
| 08:28.08 | Zipf | lemme try |
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| 08:28.43 | artej | if he is copying from user folder he might need to set rights for it too |
| 08:29.17 | artej | windows tends to set them as ------rwx |
| 08:29.27 | Zipf | the files are on a windows machine, on a shared drive there |
| 08:29.38 | artej | oh, I see |
| 08:29.39 | glukt | Zipf: you are trying to copy files from /dev/sdb1 to /home/fry, right? |
| 08:29.51 | artej | no he is copying from shared folder |
| 08:30.18 | Zipf | no, i'm trying copy files from D: on windows, to /dev/sdb1 on debian |
| 08:30.36 | Zipf | i was able to do that before, but after the new fresh install, it's asking for permissions |
| 08:30.40 | artej | which is mounted on /media/DATA |
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| 08:30.43 | Zipf | not sure why |
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| 08:30.53 | Zipf | <artej> which is mounted on /media/DATA <-- correct |
| 08:30.55 | artej | which is root owned prolly |
| 08:30.56 | glukt | where is the network install? |
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| 08:31.02 | glukt | *network share |
| 08:31.23 | glukt | some smb:// link? |
| 08:31.41 | Zipf | well, ive used the gui of debian, gnome to find the share on network |
| 08:31.47 | glukt | got it |
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| 08:31.49 | glukt | so |
| 08:31.51 | Zipf | Places > network |
| 08:32.15 | glukt | `ls -l /media/DATA` and `mount | grep DATA` |
| 08:32.17 | glukt | run those |
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| 08:32.59 | glukt | paste them, and we should know what permissions are going on |
| 08:33.10 | glukt | at least for sdb1 |
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| 08:33.42 | glukt | er crap... `ls -ld /media/DATA` im sorry |
| 08:33.43 | Zipf | http://paste.debian.net/110742/ |
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| 08:34.36 | glukt | alright great, its ext4 so chmod will work on it without messing with the mount settings |
| 08:34.42 | Zipf | there |
| 08:34.42 | Zipf | http://paste.debian.net/110743/ |
| 08:34.45 | glukt | chmod -R 777 /media/DATA |
| 08:35.24 | glukt | thats not exactly preferrable actually, the best bet would be to chown to your user |
| 08:35.27 | sprinf | thanks artej It was indeed a problem with my source list |
| 08:35.30 | glukt | but that works |
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| 08:36.04 | Zipf | ok did chmod -R 777 /media/DATA |
| 08:36.10 | Zipf | lemme try move files now |
| 08:36.22 | glukt | Zipf: if it works, i have to fix my mistake |
| 08:36.28 | artej | I hate my slow connection :/ have to wait 50 more minutes before X is updated :/ |
| 08:37.02 | Zipf | yay |
| 08:37.05 | Zipf | its worked :) |
| 08:37.07 | glukt | Zipf: cancel it |
| 08:37.22 | Zipf | cancel what ? |
| 08:37.26 | glukt | the transfer |
| 08:37.35 | Zipf | ok |
| 08:37.35 | glukt | or was it small files |
| 08:37.42 | Zipf | was a 2gb file |
| 08:37.49 | glukt | k good |
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| 08:38.11 | glukt | so what you just did was gave permissions to everyone to that drive, ideally you want just your user to have access |
| 08:38.16 | glukt | is your username "fry" in the system? |
| 08:38.44 | Zipf | the fry is the name the account ive created during the install, after the root account was created |
| 08:38.59 | glukt | k |
| 08:39.04 | Zipf | so its the "normal" user account |
| 08:39.16 | artej | e.g. you login as fry |
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| 08:39.19 | glukt | `chown -R fry:users /media/DATA` and `chmod -R 750 /media/DATA` |
| 08:39.20 | artej | during load |
| 08:39.47 | glukt | then do your copying and everything should be not so dangerous anymore :) |
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| 08:40.01 | fosser_josh | pymssql cur.fetchall() does not fetch data in debian |
| 08:40.08 | fosser_josh | can someone help me? |
| 08:41.33 | Zipf | ok glukt |
| 08:41.37 | Zipf | done the cmd's |
| 08:41.40 | glukt | fosser_josh: i think that might be more of a question for the pymssql people... do you need help figuring out what version you have to give to them? |
| 08:41.47 | glukt | Zipf: go ahead and copy, you're good :) |
| 08:41.59 | Zipf | what about the old cmd "did chmod -R 777 /media/DATA" ive set ? do i need to "undo" that ? |
| 08:42.00 | XF | hi , my graphic interface not working , only my system open on txt mode (debian wheezy) , gnome interface III , now how i can recovery or repair the interface without any demage / defect to my system , tks |
| 08:42.07 | glukt | Zipf: we just did :) |
| 08:42.27 | Zipf | nice, nice |
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| 08:42.53 | fosser_josh | glukt: no positive response from #python |
| 08:42.56 | Zipf | thank you VERY MUCH artej and glukt, im newbie with linux, i'm trying to learn it, really helped a lot :) |
| 08:43.21 | glukt | fosser_josh: yeah they probably arent going to help with a specific library i bet |
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| 08:44.16 | fosser_josh | glukt: i dont understand whats wrong with library. sqsh fetch data from mssql properly. |
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| 08:45.54 | glukt | fosser_josh: okay so pymssql doesnt realyl have official support channels... can we take this to #python? its at least a bit more relevent there |
| 08:46.08 | TyrfingMjolnir | What is a good way of installing enligthenment in wheezy? |
| 08:46.38 | TyrfingMjolnir | All my findings on the web include adding testing in repo |
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| 08:48.06 | glukt | TyrfingMjolnir: the e17 package is only available in testing/unstable it looks like |
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| 08:49.34 | TyrfingMjolnir | Compile from source? |
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| 09:03.09 | CasualUser | I have problem with Debian Jessie not booting to GUI after I've done today update with apt- get (apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade). I've noticed that most and first common thing that most people ask is Xorg log file |
| 09:03.13 | CasualUser | so here it is: http://pastebin.com/EfRfjXQi |
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| 09:03.41 | CasualUser | I've tried dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 or lightdm, it helped me before |
| 09:03.54 | colo-work | CasualUser, your config seems to request fglrx, the proprietary video card driver from AMD |
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| 09:04.05 | colo-work | did you conciously install that? if so, how? |
| 09:06.07 | CasualUser | all installation were though apt-get, yes I've installed it conciously, otherwise I couldnt play Steam games |
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| 09:06.36 | colo-work | CasualUser, try reinstalling it, or maybe wait for the Debian archive to contain a properly fixed new version of the driver |
| 09:07.04 | CasualUser | hmm, gonna try reinstallation then. thx for suggestion- leaving to reboot and reinstall! |
| 09:07.11 | colo-work | (for starters, you could try something like `apt-get install --reinstall fglrx-driver`) |
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| 09:09.14 | artej | CasualUser Is error cannot load module, module does not exist? |
| 09:09.40 | artej | can't see now because I've got subj related myself |
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| 09:10.17 | artej | CasualUser you can check if module is loaded by |
| 09:10.26 | artej | 'lsmod|grep fglrx' |
| 09:10.32 | gcdie | I have a problem with postfix guys, i've this my own mail server for 6 months now and it just started getting errors everywhere |
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| 09:14.03 | TyrfingMjolnir | gcdie: which errors? |
| 09:14.27 | gcdie | few seconds i am making a paste |
| 09:14.29 | TyrfingMjolnir | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.24 | gcdie | TyrfingMjolnir : http://hastebin.com/awavowubuw.rb |
| 09:15.55 | gcdie | an i reststarted the service and rebooted the vps a few times alaredy |
| 09:16.03 | TyrfingMjolnir | AAAA = IPv6 |
| 09:16.28 | TyrfingMjolnir | This is not really a postfix error |
| 09:16.34 | TyrfingMjolnir | This is a NDS error |
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| 09:16.49 | gcdie | should i ad ipv6 to my hosts |
| 09:16.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | Nah |
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| 09:17.18 | TyrfingMjolnir | Configure the sender for IPv3 |
| 09:17.19 | Dagger | (...well, yes, you should, but probably not because of this) |
| 09:17.20 | TyrfingMjolnir | IPv4 |
| 09:17.43 | TyrfingMjolnir | Apache sending these? |
| 09:17.45 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or Nginx? |
| 09:17.53 | gcdie | lighttpd |
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| 09:18.18 | TyrfingMjolnir | You should edit the lighttpd conf to send IPv4 mail |
| 09:18.39 | TyrfingMjolnir | Which CGI? |
| 09:18.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | And why does it say www-data |
| 09:18.54 | TyrfingMjolnir | @UNKNOWN? |
| 09:19.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | This is incomplete configuration of sender |
| 09:19.13 | Dagger | TyrfingMjolnir: will that even help? I suspect UNKNOWN doesn't have any A records either |
| 09:19.16 | gcdie | that's the problem in my opinion |
| 09:19.59 | TyrfingMjolnir | A quickfix would be: echo "127.0.0.1 UNKNOWN" >> /etc/hosts |
| 09:20.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | But it's not the right way to fix this issue |
| 09:20.39 | TyrfingMjolnir | The real way to fix this is to configure lighttpd |
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| 09:22.29 | gcdie | how do you know lighty is causingthe errors |
| 09:23.48 | TyrfingMjolnir | www-data |
| 09:23.54 | TyrfingMjolnir | is usually the apache users |
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| 09:24.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | But I guess it could also be lighttpd having a user by this name |
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| 09:24.34 | gcdie | because i get undeliverd mail to sender form gmail and other because of this |
| 09:24.42 | TyrfingMjolnir | \ |
| 09:24.43 | TyrfingMjolnir | ? |
| 09:24.57 | TyrfingMjolnir | undelivered mail to sender |
| 09:25.07 | TyrfingMjolnir | It's a sign the you did not configure something |
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| 09:25.40 | gcdie | http://hastebin.com/qohofudiya.vhdl |
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| 09:26.02 | gcdie | it's the UNKNOWN name that makes the dkim sign fail |
| 09:26.10 | gcdie | from what i understand |
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| 09:27.09 | gcdie | I don't send spam, i barely send 20 mails a day and am not an open relay |
| 09:28.02 | gcdie | i checked all blacklists and i'm clean |
| 09:28.30 | TyrfingMjolnir | Ouch |
| 09:28.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | you have not configured your postfix |
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| 09:28.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | cat /etc/hostname |
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| 09:29.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | Mine looks like this: # cat /etc/hostname |
| 09:29.14 | TyrfingMjolnir | dev |
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| 09:29.31 | gcdie | mine looks like this domain |
| 09:29.42 | gcdie | without .tld |
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| 09:30.06 | peetaur2 | hastebin won't render without JS ... it's one of those pages that is completely blank without it. What a PoS |
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| 09:30.29 | formorer | paste.debian.net |
| 09:30.35 | TyrfingMjolnir | gcdie: it should only say hostname |
| 09:30.43 | TyrfingMjolnir | not tld, no domain |
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| 09:30.57 | TyrfingMjolnir | like my latest mailserver says: mail194 |
| 09:31.07 | TyrfingMjolnir | As it's my mailserver number 194 |
| 09:31.14 | gcdie | it says : pon*** |
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| 09:31.30 | TyrfingMjolnir | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.30 | gcdie | my mailserver is pon***.eu |
| 09:31.43 | TyrfingMjolnir | Not interesting |
| 09:31.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | it should say mail |
| 09:32.04 | TyrfingMjolnir | and pr0n.eu should not be mentioned there |
| 09:32.24 | TyrfingMjolnir | If your system is mail.pr0n.eu |
| 09:32.32 | TyrfingMjolnir | your hostname should be mail1 |
| 09:32.35 | TyrfingMjolnir | or gandalf |
| 09:32.40 | TyrfingMjolnir | or bilbo |
| 09:32.43 | TyrfingMjolnir | or something like that |
| 09:32.46 | gcdie | i configured it that way so the vps could be a webserver a well a mailserver at the adress |
| 09:32.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | It's thew node name |
| 09:33.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | ? |
| 09:33.08 | TyrfingMjolnir | It should still have a name |
| 09:33.17 | TyrfingMjolnir | it can be named www.pr0n.eu |
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| 09:33.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | the hostname is not part of your domain name |
| 09:33.41 | casualuser | okey, I was here less than like 1h ago with problem that I cannot boot into GUI. Tried reinstall command, it shows that there is no such package. So I attempted some search of this error and found that |
| 09:33.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | Let's say your domain name is gcdie.xxx |
| 09:34.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | your machines on there could be whatever |
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| 09:34.16 | TyrfingMjolnir | Let's say the hostname for this machine is debian1 |
| 09:34.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | With the FQDN debian1.gcdie.xxx |
| 09:34.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | debian1 can still host www.gcdie.xxx and mail.gcdie.xxx |
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| 09:35.13 | casualuser | 07-15 fglrx-driver REMOVED from testing. Why? WHY? Im downloading it manually on pendrive to install but I cant find any reason why they removed it. |
| 09:35.48 | TyrfingMjolnir | casualuser: Use testing or stable, not both |
| 09:35.58 | gcdie | Oh ok, how did it work for 5 months then |
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| 09:36.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | gcdie: I m not a clairvoyant |
| 09:36.32 | TyrfingMjolnir | Unless you give me the logs from 5 months ago, I have no way to see this |
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| 09:37.39 | gcdie | so should i put CNAMES from sub.domain.tld |
| 09:37.47 | gcdie | to domain.tld |
| 09:37.58 | TyrfingMjolnir | Not sure what you mean |
| 09:38.10 | TyrfingMjolnir | You should make virtual names for http and mail |
| 09:39.10 | TyrfingMjolnir | For apache this would be: |
| 09:39.36 | TyrfingMjolnir | <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 09:39.37 | TyrfingMjolnir | ServerName www.gcdie.xxx |
| 09:39.38 | TyrfingMjolnir | ServerAlias gcdie.xxx |
| 09:39.39 | TyrfingMjolnir | DocumentRoot /www/domain |
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| 09:39.58 | gcdie | HAHA |
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| 09:40.47 | TyrfingMjolnir | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-lighttpd-web-server-setting-up-virtual-hosting.html |
| 09:41.08 | TyrfingMjolnir | gcdie: How did you configure your postfix? |
| 09:41.16 | gcdie | if i want http/https traffic to go to gcdie.xxx but it is hosted on web.gcdie.xxx should i have a cname from web.gcdie.xxx to gcdie.xxx |
| 09:41.47 | TyrfingMjolnir | In the public space, yes |
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| 09:42.03 | TyrfingMjolnir | I m not sure how you set this up |
| 09:42.18 | gcdie | with this http://sealedabstract.com/code/nsa-proof-your-e-mail-in-2-hours/ |
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| 09:42.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | Then format |
| 09:42.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | reinstall |
| 09:42.54 | TyrfingMjolnir | and redo |
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| 09:43.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | There are some good points on that page. |
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| 09:44.15 | TyrfingMjolnir | The main problem however is that you did not name your machine; hence node name: UNKNOWN |
| 09:44.49 | gcdie | what i don't understand is why it suddenly stopped working |
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| 09:46.13 | TyrfingMjolnir | My first idea was that you upgraded and deleted a config file |
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| 09:47.02 | gcdie | the only update i did before it began to fuck up was fail2ban |
| 09:47.30 | TyrfingMjolnir | apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 09:47.31 | TyrfingMjolnir | ? |
| 09:48.00 | TyrfingMjolnir | What does your: cat /etc/hosts look like? |
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| 09:48.27 | TyrfingMjolnir | For the case of your own sanity, please name your box something |
| 09:48.40 | TyrfingMjolnir | box1 for example |
| 09:48.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | And after you have that |
| 09:49.00 | TyrfingMjolnir | Then you can start configuring your virtual hosts |
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| 09:50.02 | gcdie | http://hastebin.com/quwohuhove.hs |
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| 09:50.54 | gcdie | more like this sorry http://hastebin.com/ojicuciqel.hs |
| 09:52.36 | gcdie | and no updates |
| 09:53.41 | gcdie | For this article, I’m going to set up my mailserver running on a subdomain – drew@awesomebox.sealedabstract.com. So I configure an MX record that points mail for the subdomain to my server. |
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| 09:54.21 | gcdie | when i saw that i told myself i had to sertup mine directly to domain.tld |
| 09:55.01 | gcdie | and took the subdomain off everytime he mentioned it |
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| 10:00.15 | TyrfingMjolnir | Do not remove the hostname |
| 10:00.25 | TyrfingMjolnir | Services are always on a host |
| 10:00.40 | TyrfingMjolnir | only the network does not have a hostname |
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| 10:00.59 | TyrfingMjolnir | Backup the config files |
| 10:01.05 | TyrfingMjolnir | and if any data files |
| 10:01.12 | TyrfingMjolnir | or any other files you might need |
| 10:01.17 | TyrfingMjolnir | format |
| 10:01.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | reinstall |
| 10:01.23 | TyrfingMjolnir | Do the tutorial again |
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| 10:01.37 | TyrfingMjolnir | That way you will not have any crazy things going on |
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| 10:01.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | Just my 2 cents worth |
| 10:02.02 | gcdie | thanks a lot |
| 10:03.06 | gcdie | just a last question, how would setup a @domain.tld adress without a subdomain |
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| 10:07.16 | OpenTokix | dcpc007: @ IN A 123.123.123.123 in the $ORIGIN domain.tld |
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| 10:07.37 | OpenTokix | gcdie: ^^^ |
| 10:07.43 | OpenTokix | dcpc007: I have no idea why I tab:ed you nick |
| 10:09.13 | gcdie | alright thanks a lot everybody |
| 10:09.30 | gcdie | i think i'm gonna go with this https://github.com/JoshData/mailinabox |
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| 10:19.09 | norbert | hi |
| 10:19.19 | norbert | when I apt-cache search for nvidia-current, I get this: |
| 10:19.24 | norbert | nvidia-current - Transitional package for nvidia-current |
| 10:19.38 | norbert | I'm wonder who I can talk to to have that description changed |
| 10:20.03 | binaryhermit | yeah, that description is a bit... circular |
| 10:20.13 | norbert | this is on Mint 17, but I think it relies on the Ubuntu repos which in turn relies on what Debian does? |
| 10:20.41 | norbert | yes, it's circular, it needs to say nvidia-304 |
| 10:21.49 | SynrGy | !mint |
| 10:21.49 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 10:22.11 | norbert | gees, I know this is #debian |
| 10:22.29 | norbert | I deliberately just now stated the issue is on Mint 17, /but,/ |
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| 10:23.10 | SynrGy | norbert: if mint determines it is a problem upstream, they'll file it upstream |
| 10:23.19 | SynrGy | you see your own support for this issue |
| 10:23.29 | norbert | yes Sir! |
| 10:23.43 | SynrGy | there is no nvidia-current package in debian |
| 10:23.49 | norbert | yes, I just saw that |
| 10:24.23 | norbert | it may be too non-gnu for Debian, maybe it's not debian->ubuntu->mint, but probably just ubuntu->mint |
| 10:24.48 | norbert | although I do get hits about nvidia when searching packages at debian.org |
| 10:24.56 | norbert | anyways, will leave you alone; will try #ubuntu |
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| 10:25.07 | SynrGy | why not mint's own channel? sigh |
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| 10:30.37 | emr | Hello i have 2 monitors, trying to multi-display i did but resolutions aren't same, its ati, how i can solve? |
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| 10:32.17 | Shadow_7 | emr: set the resolution to the lowest common denominator |
| 10:32.37 | Shadow_7 | emr: xrandr can accomplish that without having to reconfigure and restart X. |
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| 10:33.01 | emr | Shadow_7, ty, trying |
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| 10:40.37 | debuser | How can I set the PATH? I tried to edit /.bashrc directly. (I could edit it but it doesn't work) |
| 10:41.04 | ksk | debuser: see if ~/.bashrc is called from ~/.profile |
| 10:41.21 | debuser | How can I do that? |
| 10:42.06 | ksk | check if there is something like ". .bashrc" in .profile - or put your path settings just into .profile (which gets executed by bash) |
| 10:42.41 | debuser | .profile is empty |
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| 10:44.37 | ksk | so put your path stuff in there? :) |
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| 10:45.07 | ksk | or put an ". ~/.bashrc" in there, to also load .bashrc |
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| 10:47.15 | debuser | What is the right format for the path? |
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| 10:48.27 | debuser | PATH= or export PATH=$PATH: orexport PATH=/home/username/foo:$PATH |
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| 10:50.27 | debuser | ksk: what is the right format |
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| 10:51.34 | SynrGy | "doesn't work" is not descriptive. your path will already be set, so you want to add additional items to the path. "export PATH=/home/username/foo:$PATH" will do that. |
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| 10:51.55 | SynrGy | that will ensure anything in foo is found before other paths are searched |
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| 10:57.46 | debuser | ndk-build not found in PATH (IT DOES NOT WORK) |
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| 10:58.23 | oupala | hello, does iceweasel uses system approved certificates ? |
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| 10:59.58 | debuser | ksk: I put "PATH=~/android-ndk-r9d" in ".profile" but it does not work. |
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| 11:06.59 | ksk | so your question is "how do i add another dir to $PATH"? google it :> |
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| 11:07.15 | ksk | and first make sure it works on your shell, then try adding it to .profile or something like that |
| 11:07.45 | jelly-home | debuser: ~ does not expand there. use $HOME instead. |
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| 11:08.44 | jelly-home | make sure your login shell actually reads that .profile |
| 11:08.46 | debuser | PATH=$HOME/android-ndk-r9d doesnt work either. |
| 11:09.04 | SynrGy | and as I said, you need to keep the original path in there |
| 11:09.16 | SynrGy | it's going to be pretty useless without /bin, /usr/bin etc. |
| 11:09.38 | jelly-home | debuser: how does it fail to work? What's in PATH after you open a new terminal window or log in again? |
| 11:10.24 | jellow | hello, can I have some pointers on increasing my screen display to above 800x600 , I have a Radeon HD 6310 and xserver-xorg-video-ati installed. Running debian jessie |
| 11:10.26 | jelly-home | debuser: to find out, echo $PATH |
| 11:10.38 | debuser | how do i check what is in the path.? |
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| 11:11.09 | duggles | env | grep PATH |
| 11:11.20 | SynrGy | echo $PATH |
| 11:11.37 | debuser | echo $PATH shows the content of .bashrc not .profile |
| 11:11.39 | Brigo | jellow, are you using gnome? |
| 11:11.51 | jellow | Brigo, xfce |
| 11:11.59 | SynrGy | duggles: that will needlessly match any environment variable (or its value) with "PATH" in it |
| 11:12.27 | SynrGy | debuser: ... what? |
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| 11:12.48 | jelly-home | debuser: which login shell do you use? getent passwd yourusername |
| 11:12.59 | debuser | terminal |
| 11:13.01 | Brigo | jellow, in gnome -and mate at least- there are an application called gnome-display-properties |
| 11:13.26 | debuser | gnome terminal window |
| 11:14.02 | jelly-home | debuser: that's a GUI component which runs and shows output of your shell, not the login shell itself. |
| 11:15.04 | debuser | I don't exactly know what you mean |
| 11:15.28 | oupala | hello, does iceweasel uses system approved certificates for ssl ? I installed CAcert certificates, but iceweasel seems to not take care of it... |
| 11:16.31 | jelly-home | debuser: run the getent command live above, it will tell you which login shell you use, among other things |
| 11:16.43 | jelly-home | like* above |
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| 11:17.26 | jelly-home | debuser: then read the manual for _that_ shell to find out the correct place to add things to PATH, instead of blindly assuming ~/.profile will work |
| 11:18.09 | Brigo | oupala, i remeber there was a security issue about cacert certificates, at least. |
| 11:18.46 | Brigo | oupala, but i do not know exactly the problem, and the situation now |
| 11:19.00 | debuser | getent PASSWORD USER does not work |
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| 11:19.27 | oupala | Brigo: thanks for your anwser but my question is not about CAcert, but about how iceweasel is managing certificates from system |
| 11:20.05 | Brigo | oupala, yes, i think they are related issues. |
| 11:20.09 | formorer | it doesn't |
| 11:20.28 | formorer | iceweasel has its own cert store, it doesn't use the system stor.e |
| 11:20.30 | debuser | getent just says: Get entries from administrative database. Supported databases: ahosts ahostsv4 ahostsv6 aliases ethers group gshadow hosts netgroup networks passwd protocols rpc services shadow For bug reporting instructions, please see: <http://www.debian.org/Bugs/>. |
| 11:20.35 | jelly-home | debuser: getent passwd usernamehere will say something like jelly:x:1002:1002:Real Name:/home/jelly:/bin/zsh ... that bit after the rightmost colon : character is the login shell, in my case zsh |
| 11:20.56 | oupala | formorer: ok, si if I had installed CAcert for the system, I have to reinstall for iceweasel as well |
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| 11:21.12 | SynrGy | debuser: literally the words "getent passwd" followed by your username |
| 11:21.13 | oupala | formorer: ok, so if I had installed CAcert for the system, I have to reinstall for iceweasel as well |
| 11:21.14 | jelly-home | debuser: you're supposed to run "getent passwd YOURUSER" |
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| 11:21.42 | SynrGy | debuser: e.g. if your username is debuser, "getent passwd debuser" |
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| 11:23.10 | debuser | It says: debuser:x:1000:1000:Debuser,,,:/home/debuser:/bin/bash |
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| 11:23.36 | jelly-home | debuser: so your login shell is /bin/bash, in other words, bash |
| 11:24.12 | jelly-home | debuser: man bash, read the INVOCATION section |
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| 11:27.10 | betrayer | hi how do i detect my usb pendrive do ineed any driver to be install on debian wheezy 7 |
| 11:27.38 | betrayer | it cant detect pendrive or any cd and dvd media |
| 11:27.55 | debuser | well, it says what it does with the files. But not how i can set the PATH. |
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| 11:28.06 | jelly-home | debuser: your desktop environment and your terminal is likely to start bash with options to run as "interactive shell" but not a "login" one. The distinction is subtle, and you'll see the manual says bash ... "bash reads and executes commands from /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc, if these files exist." in that case |
| 11:28.12 | SynrGy | debuser: it says what order they are read in |
| 11:28.23 | SynrGy | debuser: it says it will read the first one it finds and ignore the others. |
| 11:28.31 | jelly-home | debuser: draw your conclusion about where to put changes to PATH. |
| 11:28.54 | ikonia | does debian 7 automatically select the partition table format based on disk size |
| 11:29.00 | ikonia | (the installer I should say) |
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| 11:29.46 | jellow | hello, can I have some pointers on increasing my screen display to above 800x600 , I have a Radeon HD 6310 and xserver-xorg-video-ati installed. Running debian jessie |
| 11:29.50 | jelly-home | (hint: it won't be .profile unless bash is invoked as login shell, with -l option, and it won't even read .profile AT ALL if any of .bash_profile or .bash_login exist) |
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| 11:30.25 | SynrGy | debuser: as for the command, i told you a long time ago, "export /home/debuser/bin:$PATH" is the right command, and you've also been told, multiple times, to just test this in the terminal first before editing any of these files ... |
| 11:30.57 | SynrGy | (/home/debuser/bin is an example only; i don't know what path you're trying to add) |
| 11:32.24 | debuser | do i have to type it into the terminal window or write it into the file .bashrc? |
| 11:32.37 | SynrGy | my advice: 1. undo any changes you made to any files. 2. logout & login. 3. hand-test the command. 4. make sure with "echo $PATH" it contains what it's supposed to contain (your new path followed by all existing paths) |
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| 11:32.54 | SynrGy | worry about where to put it *after* your hand testing succeeds. |
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| 11:33.40 | SynrGy | you are trying to figure out too many aspects of the problem at once: both where to put the command *and* the correct syntax to achieve the desired result. |
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| 11:34.04 | SynrGy | then you get confused about which part failed and confuse *us* by just saying "doesn't work" and not explaining which part doesn't work |
| 11:34.14 | SynrGy | this is not a recipe for success |
| 11:35.01 | oupala | I'm installing a software from backports and it needs a dependancy from backports also, how can I tell apt to install dependancy ? At this time I have an error for unmet dependancy |
| 11:35.07 | debuser | Ok, thank you for your support. |
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| 11:35.18 | SynrGy | oupala: apt-get install -t wheezy-backports nameofthing |
| 11:35.36 | meaneye | Anyone knows when Gnome 3.12 will be in testing? |
| 11:35.47 | SynrGy | er, apt-get -t wheezy-backports install, even |
| 11:35.52 | betrayer | hey how am i be able to look on my pendrive? |
| 11:36.08 | Brigo | jellow, try randr |
| 11:36.09 | betrayer | i alrd on startx |
| 11:36.38 | betrayer | hmmm |
| 11:36.49 | SynrGy | betrayer: with a desktop (gnome, kde, etc.) it would 'just work' |
| 11:36.52 | jellow | Brigo, I had a go at randr it does not list any other resolutions |
| 11:36.56 | SynrGy | with just a plain WM, you need to work harder |
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| 11:37.35 | SynrGy | betrayer: if you are just using a plain wm and want to automount removable media, i recommend udisks-glue |
| 11:37.38 | Brigo | jellow, well those are the selectable resolutions ... |
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| 11:37.55 | oupala | that was easy SynrGy, thanks |
| 11:38.00 | SynrGy | oupala: np |
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| 11:38.42 | Brigo | jellow, may be you can try to modify your Xorg driver config |
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| 11:39.19 | jellow | Brigo, I do get these error messages in dmesg pastebin.ubuntu.com/7829818 |
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| 11:39.43 | Brigo | jellow, je |
| 11:39.45 | jellow | Brigo, I'm not clever enought to config Xorg :P |
| 11:39.51 | Brigo | so you have to install firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 11:40.18 | Brigo | it is a package. And relauch the Xorg -or easeir, to reboot- |
| 11:40.23 | jelly-home | !tell jellow about non-free sources |
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| 11:42.42 | SynrGy | jellow: also, for future reference, see #debain-next @ irc.oftc.net for support for jessie (in particular there are some useful links in channel topic you should read) |
| 11:42.51 | SynrGy | jellow: #debian-next |
| 11:43.03 | SynrGy | curse you, transposition errors |
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| 11:43.48 | nzoi | i'm on debian lxde but i cannot scroll up and down using the touchpad (two fingers) |
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| 11:44.30 | SynrGy | nzoi: see http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
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| 11:46.32 | SynrGy | nzoi: in particular, even in the 'big' desktops (gnome, kde) you don't have control through their config GUIs for all of the features of synaptics. these need to be done either using synclient (run on each login) or in /etc |
| 11:46.35 | jellow | I cannot find the package it is listed in apt-cache search but apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree is not found ( Should I continue asking here or go to jessie channel?) |
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| 11:47.26 | yogg | Hi |
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| 11:48.07 | SynrGy | jellow: no, this part is general. did you edit your sources.list as per the factoid you were sent? |
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| 11:48.19 | SynrGy | jellow: did you apt-get update afterwards, also explained in that factoid? |
| 11:49.46 | SynrGy | jellow: if you did both steps and still have problems, please show us in a paste the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:49.48 | yogg | How can I change "/usr/lib/jvm/default-java"? Currently its an link to: "java-1.6.0-openjdk-amd64" but I want openjdk7 here. Openjdk7 is installed and i already have tried "update-alternatives --all" and "update-java-alternatives". But the symlink has not changed. |
| 11:49.57 | yogg | I can change it manual but :/ |
| 11:51.14 | SynrGy | yogg: you should not change that |
| 11:51.39 | SynrGy | yogg: that is provied by the package default-jre-headless |
| 11:51.42 | jellow | SynrGy, I've edited two lines and ran apt-get update , this is my source list pastebin.ubuntu.com/7829879/ |
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| 11:51.58 | SynrGy | yogg: it is not an /etc file and therefore is not configurable. |
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| 11:52.30 | yogg | Ok then the only solution to run tomcat7 with openjdk7 is to set the java home variable in "/etc/default/tomcat7"= |
| 11:52.54 | SynrGy | yogg: what are you actually trying to accomplish? selecting which version of the 'java' command, etc. you use by default? |
| 11:53.09 | SynrGy | yogg: that is done with 'update-alternatives --config java' |
| 11:53.30 | nzoi | SynrGy: on kde it worked fine, at least for scrolling |
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| 11:53.49 | SynrGy | nzoi: better than i remember last time i checked it (but i am not a kde user) |
| 11:54.09 | nzoi | SynrGy: what should i do on lxde, i don't see the instructions for this window manager |
| 11:54.16 | yogg | My tomcat 7 runs with openjdk6 but should run with openjdk7. Tomcat uses the "/usr/lib/jvm/default-java" path which links to openjdk6. I tried to change this, but if this is unchangeable i set the homepath in the defaults file |
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| 11:54.42 | SynrGy | nzoi: do one of the two things i said, either make an autologin shell script file that sets it via synclient ... |
| 11:54.45 | OpenTokix | yogg: update-alternatives |
| 11:54.51 | SynrGy | nzoi: or the "system wide" configuration i pointed at in the wiki page |
| 11:55.00 | OpenTokix | yogg: and set the system wide java version to use |
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| 11:55.34 | SynrGy | nzoi: the autologin is slightly more steps to set up but is technically the correct place to do it (it's a user preference, after all) |
| 11:55.41 | yogg | As already written by "SynrGy" the "/usr/lib/jvm/default-java" is not affected by "update-alternatives" |
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| 11:56.05 | SynrGy | nzoi: the system wide configuration, for a single-user system, is easy because it's just one file that you need to create/edit |
| 11:56.16 | nzoi | i don't understand the first option |
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| 11:56.39 | SynrGy | nzoi: lxde will run on login anything in ~/.config/autostart/ |
| 11:56.48 | SynrGy | but that has to be a *.desktop file |
| 11:57.23 | SynrGy | you could create one with 'alacarte', for example, pointing at a shell script with the 'synclient' command, repeated once per option you want to configure |
| 11:57.47 | SynrGy | e.g. ~/bin/touchpad-settings.sh |
| 11:57.50 | nzoi | i see thanks |
| 11:58.27 | SynrGy | then it can be turned on/off in the normal way through whatever gui config thing lxde has for applications to start |
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| 11:58.36 | nzoi | i'll go for the second one since the file is already ready |
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| 11:58.51 | SynrGy | yup. except don't edit anything in /usr |
| 11:59.01 | nzoi | once i created the file do i need to log off/log on or is there another way? |
| 11:59.11 | SynrGy | looks at the wiki page again to make sure it's clear ... |
| 11:59.18 | nzoi | i put the content of the wiki in: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/synaptics.conf |
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| 11:59.53 | SynrGy | nzoi: well, those are example settings only ... |
| 12:00.18 | nzoi | yes i know, but if VertTwoFingerScroll works i'll already be happy :) |
| 12:00.19 | SynrGy | better to look at the default file provided in /usr, make a copy of it, and just change the config vars you want to |
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| 12:01.08 | SynrGy | nzoi: see /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf |
| 12:01.16 | SynrGy | the wiki page mentions the dir, just not the filename |
| 12:01.43 | nzoi | that file is pretty empty |
| 12:01.43 | SynrGy | ah. it contains no names of options |
| 12:01.48 | nzoi | doesn't contain "VertTwoFingerScroll" |
| 12:01.50 | SynrGy | nzoi: see the synaptics man page |
| 12:02.25 | SynrGy | wiki pages can be inaccurate/out-of-date :) |
| 12:02.30 | nzoi | yep, once i finished editing the /etc/ file what should i do? log off log on or is there another way? |
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| 12:02.51 | SynrGy | well, you can use the synclient command directly to test |
| 12:03.49 | nzoi | Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded? |
| 12:04.00 | SynrGy | that's a bit of a problem |
| 12:04.18 | SynrGy | do you have any custom xorg stuff? |
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| 12:04.29 | SynrGy | (aside from what we're working on) |
| 12:04.36 | nzoi | no, it's a fresh debian 7.5 install from the hybrid live iso |
| 12:04.40 | Brigo | jellow, too much jessie/update and you miss deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free |
| 12:04.46 | SynrGy | ok. typically xorg detects and sets up the driver properly |
| 12:05.05 | nzoi | i've installed non-free drivers for the intel wireless |
| 12:05.17 | SynrGy | nzoi: have a look at your Xorg.0.log |
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| 12:05.47 | SynrGy | nzoi: look at the "Multitouch" section of the wiki page |
| 12:06.26 | SynrGy | hmm, which won't help if it's not even being detected as synaptics :( |
| 12:06.32 | nzoi | SynrGy: http://paste.debian.net/110771/ |
| 12:07.26 | SynrGy | FSPPS/2 :( |
| 12:08.19 | nzoi | what does this mean? |
| 12:08.31 | SynrGy | you need a backports kernel to make this work |
| 12:08.40 | SynrGy | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=104410#p498884 |
| 12:08.49 | SynrGy | "A quick Google search for "Sentelic FingerSensingPad" brought me to this discussion: http://chakra-project.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?id=6981 . It appears that the 3.2 Linux kernel in Wheezy only has partial support for your touchpad. According to the linked post, full support (including multi touch and scrolling) is available in the 3.4 kernel or newer. You can try the kernel from Sid or compile your own." |
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| 12:09.06 | SynrGy | (the post is very old; you don't need sid or compile your own ... just use backports) |
| 12:09.09 | SynrGy | !bpo kernel |
| 12:09.10 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 12:09.15 | SynrGy | ,kernels |
| 12:09.16 | BluesKaj | hiyas |
| 12:09.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.15-trunk-686-pae (3.15.5-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.12-1); jessie: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.12-1); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.12-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 12:09.31 | nzoi | SynrGy: before installing debian, i had kubuntu on the "normal" kernel i guess, and it worked fine |
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| 12:10.12 | SynrGy | nzoi: 'normal' may have been 3.4 or later |
| 12:10.19 | SynrGy | nzoi: wheezy has 3.2 |
| 12:10.26 | nzoi | not sure anymore |
| 12:10.33 | nzoi | ok i'll install using "aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`" |
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| 12:10.44 | SynrGy | nzoi: which kubuntu release? anyway, moot point :) yes, do that. |
| 12:10.53 | SynrGy | nzoi: make sure backports is in your sources.list first |
| 12:11.05 | SynrGy | !wheezy-backports |
| 12:11.05 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the "Jessie" (8.0) release of Debian but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
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| 12:11.13 | nzoi | i think it worked on both 13.10 and 14.04 |
| 12:11.30 | nzoi | yes thanks it's installing |
| 12:11.33 | SynrGy | 13.10 is still more recent than wheezy. |
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| 12:12.09 | SynrGy | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes#Linux_kernel_3.11 |
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| 12:15.19 | nzoi | it's installed, now i guess i really need to reboot; btw i have another problem, which is vlc not displaying subtitles properly; i have tried several subtitles files and several encodings, and i have also changed the encodings in the preferences of vlc but it's always gibberish |
| 12:15.20 | Artej | how do I get UUID of partition? |
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| 12:16.44 | Artej | nevermind, googled it |
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| 12:18.19 | oupala | How can I get Gnome display files that are in Desktop diretory ? |
| 12:18.29 | SynrGy | nzoi: what is "gibberish"? wrong encoding? |
| 12:18.37 | oupala | I can"t see any file... |
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| 12:18.49 | SynrGy | nzoi: i mean, are the subtitles non-english? |
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| 12:19.55 | nzoi | SynrGy: they're french, but they're even the normal letters are not being displayed properly, yes looks like wrong encoding |
| 12:20.27 | SynrGy | nzoi: i would expect at least the unaccented characters to look correct in reasonable encodings ... |
| 12:20.30 | nzoi | the file is ISO-8859, but i have tried several files, several encodings, and i also tried to convert the subtitles to UTF-8 and setting the subtitles encoding in vlc to UTF-8 |
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| 12:20.46 | SynrGy | nzoi: what does 'locale' output? use a paste |
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| 12:21.14 | SynrGy | paste.debian.net or so, i mean |
| 12:21.17 | nzoi | SynrGy: UTF-8 almost everywhere |
| 12:21.34 | SynrGy | ,v vlc |
| 12:21.35 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-5~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.0.3-5; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.0.3-5+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 2.0.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.2-2~bpo70+3; jessie: 2.1.4-1+b3; sid: 2.1.4-1+b3; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo2; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.1.5-dmo1; |
| 12:21.36 | judd | sid-multimedia: 1:2.1.5-dmo1 |
| 12:21.42 | SynrGy | nzoi: which vlc? i hope you're not using dmm ... |
| 12:21.47 | nzoi | http://paste.debian.net/110775/ |
| 12:22.08 | SynrGy | looks fine to me |
| 12:22.11 | nzoi | SynrGy: i had the "normal version" 2.0.3 or something, and i've upgraded to 2.1.2 (using the backports i think) |
| 12:22.25 | nzoi | i had the issue with both versions |
| 12:22.29 | SynrGy | hmm. dunno. |
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| 12:22.49 | nzoi | it's ok, what's a good alternative to vlc? |
| 12:22.52 | SynrGy | i use vlc (but on sid, though i have at some time used the version currently in backports) ... |
| 12:22.56 | SynrGy | and never any issue |
| 12:23.21 | SynrGy | my locale is similar. (only en_CA.UTF-8, not en_GB.UTF-8) |
| 12:23.35 | nzoi | is it easy to go to sid? |
| 12:23.42 | SynrGy | that will not help. and no. |
| 12:24.07 | SynrGy | i don't think it's related to vlc or to your locale, but to the subtitle files themselves. |
| 12:24.27 | nzoi | SynrGy: they work fine on windows, and i have tried several files |
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| 12:25.24 | SynrGy | do you have any vlc dotfiles or /etc configurations from elsewhere, or is this all with wheezy out of the box? |
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| 12:26.50 | nzoi | vlc was not included in wheezy, i had to install it using apt-get |
| 12:27.03 | nzoi | but i only did that "apt-get install vlc" |
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| 12:27.32 | nzoi | is this the right way to upgrade? https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/upgrading-debian-to-unstable |
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| 12:28.32 | SynrGy | nzoi: no. users should not run unstable ... |
| 12:28.40 | SynrGy | nzoi: i have zero confidence it would help your issue |
| 12:28.58 | nzoi | ok fair enough |
| 12:28.59 | SynrGy | nzoi: and that article was irresponsible for that user to post :( |
| 12:29.06 | nzoi | :) |
| 12:29.22 | SynrGy | i've seen it quoted before. it's entirely not recommended. |
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| 12:29.31 | Artej | guys I need help |
| 12:29.35 | nzoi | it's weird that i cannot find a lot of people with that same problem on debian/vlc |
| 12:29.43 | Artej | I need to execute script after kdm startup |
| 12:29.49 | Artej | before logging in |
| 12:29.53 | SynrGy | nzoi: could you post a link to an example broken subtitle file? |
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| 12:30.44 | Artej | because no DE allows to turn off acceleration by graphical means |
| 12:31.51 | Artej | also can I get parameter number using script from xinput output? |
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| 12:32.15 | Artej | because properties change number sometimes |
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| 12:32.55 | nzoei | SynrGy: they're all broken! last one i tried is the first one on the page: http://www.addic7ed.com/serie/The_Sopranos/3/1/Mr._Ruggerio%27s_neighborhood |
| 12:33.27 | SynrGy | ok. so let me see ... |
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| 12:35.05 | SynrGy | nzoei: so, 'file' says it is UTF-8: |
| 12:35.06 | SynrGy | Wilfred (US) - 04x05 - Forward.LOL.English.HI.C.orig.Addic7ed.com.srt: UTF-8 Unicode (with BOM) text, with CRLF line terminators |
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| 12:36.06 | mkad | Hi |
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| 12:37.10 | SynrGy | nzoei: and i'm playing it now (with a different video) and the subtitles all display fine. not mangled ... |
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| 12:37.32 | nzoei | SynrGy: it says ascii text for me |
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| 12:37.54 | nzoei | the "unspecific" version http://www.addic7ed.com/original/7616/0 |
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| 12:38.21 | nzoei | they're not being displayed in the same order |
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| 12:39.28 | SynrGy | nzoei: that's fine for me, too |
| 12:39.56 | nzoei | SynrGy: is that ascii or utf8 for you? |
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| 12:40.27 | SynrGy | The Sopranos - 03x01 - Mr. Ruggerio's neighborhood.Unspecified.English.orig.Addic7ed.com.srt: ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators |
| 12:40.40 | nzoei | yes |
| 12:40.55 | SynrGy | nzoei: in vlc Preferences > Subtitles / OSD, what are the encoding-specific options set to? |
| 12:41.07 | SynrGy | nzoei: my "Preferred subtitle language" is blank |
| 12:41.22 | SynrGy | nzoei: my default encoding is "Default (Windows-1252) |
| 12:41.29 | nzoei | yes same for both |
| 12:41.37 | SynrGy | my font is Bitstream Vera Sans |
| 12:41.59 | nzoei | dejavu sans, i don't have that one |
| 12:42.05 | SynrGy | doesn't matter. should be the same |
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| 12:44.00 | r-x-w- | has anyone been on top of the debian-user@lists.debian.org? |
| 12:44.05 | nzoei | tried to change the font but that didn't help |
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| 12:44.43 | SynrGy | smells like some local configuration issue ... do you have a home dir brought over from some other system? |
| 12:44.54 | SynrGy | maybe some stray dotfiles causing issues ... |
| 12:44.58 | r-x-w- | Oh Dear Lord Cthulu, systemd is not THAT bad. |
| 12:45.03 | SynrGy | otherwise, i'm out of ideas. |
| 12:45.13 | r-x-w- | anyone any one? |
| 12:45.15 | SynrGy | r-x-w-: do you have a debian support question? |
| 12:45.36 | nzoei | no it's the fresh debian/lxde install |
| 12:45.40 | r-x-w- | SynrGy: yea, what is the main difference between Sid and Jessie? Aren't they both unstable? |
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| 12:46.20 | SynrGy | r-x-w-: read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
| 12:46.20 | r-x-w- | SynrGy: I'm wandering to update to Jessie-- since I'm running systemd on production servers under Wheezy for quite some time. And people obviously need troubleshooting. |
| 12:46.32 | r-x-w- | SynrGy: Wondering that is. |
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| 12:47.02 | SynrGy | r-x-w-: jessie is not recommended for production servers. |
| 12:47.17 | r-x-w- | SynrGy: no, but for my hobby machine it is. |
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| 12:47.33 | Corey84 | wheezy for servers |
| 12:47.46 | SynrGy | r-x-w-: and that's fine. it is the topic of #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net to run testing/unstable. please join and we can continue discussion there. |
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| 12:52.51 | nzoei | SynrGy: found the issue! there was a .smi file which was automatically loaded for the subtitles, so changing the .srt files had no effect... it's working now |
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| 12:53.31 | SynrGy | nzoei: fun! |
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| 12:57.11 | nzoei | SynrGy: also dragging and dropping a subtitle doesn't work, so... :) |
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| 12:57.38 | nzoei | thanks for the help! rebooting for new kernel |
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| 12:59.41 | SynrGy | nzoei: no problem |
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| 13:04.40 | irctc586 | any good resource on how to setup email server with openldap? |
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| 13:08.09 | panoramic | anyone know any good resouce on setting up email server with openldap? |
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| 13:09.39 | BluesKaj | will firefox run on debian ? |
| 13:09.48 | OpenTokix | BluesKaj: yes |
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| 13:10.05 | panoramic | yes, firefox can run on debian |
| 13:10.07 | BluesKaj | do I need a ppa OpenTokix ? |
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| 13:10.28 | OpenTokix | BluesKaj: no, you have it built in - it is just called iceweasel and have a differnt logotype |
| 13:10.52 | BluesKaj | OpenTokix: I'm on kde |
| 13:11.09 | OpenTokix | BluesKaj: it is still called iceweasel |
| 13:11.11 | r-x-w- | panoramic: you'll need to have to make some pretty fundamental design choices, like, what scale are we talking about? Does it process filtered mail? |
| 13:11.15 | BluesKaj | just iceweasel here |
| 13:11.20 | OpenTokix | BluesKaj: yes |
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| 13:11.35 | r-x-w- | panoramic: will you be doing the filtering? |
| 13:11.41 | panoramic | r-x-w-: perhaps small business scale |
| 13:12.03 | panoramic | in the begin might not filter email. |
| 13:12.27 | BluesKaj | ok, so my saved FF bookmarks will import ok then |
| 13:13.03 | OpenTokix | BluesKaj: yes |
| 13:13.12 | r-x-w- | panoramic: I'd go with a postfix, Dovecot, OpenLDAP application stack. That is what I've been using for years. |
| 13:13.57 | panoramic | thanks r-x-w-.. you're running entreprise/small business scale on that stack? |
| 13:14.07 | SynrGy | !tell BluesKaj about why iceweasel |
| 13:15.00 | r-x-w- | panoramic: small business in the US, multiple multinationals in Europe and Taiwan |
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| 13:15.39 | panoramic | wow, that's impressive.. why postfix? debian came with exim4, sorry i'm not sure if i'm asking the right question |
| 13:15.46 | r-x-w- | panoramic: for filtering I use SpamAssassin + Pyzor and Razor. |
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| 13:16.24 | panoramic | spamassassin using perl right |
| 13:16.28 | r-x-w- | panoramic: Well I have a erm hehe flowchart to make my point but... yea. |
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| 13:16.56 | panoramic | could you simplify the flowchart for me to understand it? |
| 13:17.14 | r-x-w- | panoramic: yea. Basically, modern day mail processing plants suffer from mail filtering issues. Right? Basically it's an in, out system. |
| 13:17.23 | oupala | what drop down terminal is working well with wheezy ? guake tilda yakuake ? |
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| 13:17.48 | r-x-w- | panoramic: postfix lets you re-inject mail into it's queue. So, first you filter, then re-inject, then deliver. |
| 13:18.17 | panoramic | oh ok..exim4 not able re-inject? |
| 13:18.18 | BluesKaj | SynrGy: yeah I got the message and managed to import my bookmarks just fine, thanks :) |
| 13:18.29 | oupala | I belive yakuake is for kde, but there is still the choice between guake and tilda for wheezy/gnome... |
| 13:18.35 | r-x-w- | panoramic: this solves many many issues, like, you actually filter the spam OUT |
| 13:18.40 | SynrGy | oupala: try it and see? i tried guake for a while and found it just annoying. back to using a normal 'always open' terminal instead. |
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| 13:19.02 | SynrGy | probably not guake's fault. just, i don't really find drop-down terminals that pleasant in general |
| 13:19.11 | oupala | SynrGy: is there a keyboard shortcut for opening a terminal ? |
| 13:19.19 | r-x-w- | panoramic: nope, not in the same way postfix can. Also, postfix plays really well with dovecot-lda |
| 13:19.25 | oupala | SynrGy: I don't want to get my mouse each time I need a terminal |
| 13:19.31 | SynrGy | yes? i think? i dunno. i just finished explaining i don't use it :) |
| 13:19.40 | SynrGy | i believe there was |
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| 13:20.14 | SynrGy | i'm probably not the right person to ask about all of its wonderful features :) |
| 13:20.27 | sandman13 | SynrGy: you don't use GUI? |
| 13:20.39 | SynrGy | sandman13: did i say that? no ... |
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| 13:21.15 | SynrGy | sandman13: you know what a drop-down terminal is? it's a particular kind of desktop widget i just don't happen to like. |
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| 13:21.57 | SynrGy | i prefer a terminal, maximized to fill the display when i'm using it ... and with transparency so i can see whatever app is running immediately behind it |
| 13:22.10 | sandman13 | SynrGy: I have tried KDE version of it, didn't like it. |
| 13:22.39 | SynrGy | so yes, i definitely appreciate using a GUI (even if 99% of my time is spent in the cli) |
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| 13:24.19 | sandman13 | SynrGy: you are a Debian Developer aren't you? |
| 13:24.30 | SynrGy | yes |
| 13:24.39 | sandman13 | nice |
| 13:24.58 | BluesKaj | kinda liking good ol' debian again ...was my first serious venture into a full use linux OS....been on Kubuntu for 9 yrs |
| 13:25.10 | sandman13 | BluesKaj: nice to see you here |
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| 13:25.44 | BluesKaj | hey sandman13 thanks , nice to see a friendly face so to speak :) |
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| 13:26.14 | sandman13 | BluesKaj: let's move to offtopic and not clutter the channel if you want |
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| 13:27.08 | BluesKaj | sandman13, just response to your hello |
| 13:27.18 | sandman13 | ok |
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| 13:28.00 | BluesKaj | managed to get PIA openvpn working using the ubuntu.sh installer since the beta linux installer was missing a lib which had to be compiled, a chore I didn't feel like dealing with |
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| 13:28.28 | SynrGy | what is "PIA openvpn" and why would one use it? |
| 13:28.52 | BluesKaj | SynrGy, I have my reasons |
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| 13:29.16 | SynrGy | ah. not being critical. just curious |
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| 13:29.35 | BluesKaj | SynrGy, https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/client-support/ |
| 13:29.46 | gcdie | SynrGy : Private Internet Access and you probably shouldn't |
| 13:29.59 | sandman13 | btw I was wondering what someone has to know before using Testing and fixing minor bugs. I have Testing installed on a VM and I have heard that Testing helps to increase the familiarity with Debian |
| 13:30.03 | sandman13 | but I am not sure |
| 13:30.07 | wulllst | is there a way to get a reasonable collection of debian icons from the official wheezy repos? i thought this was all in desktop-base. but it seems it isn't. |
| 13:30.18 | gcdie | BluesKaj : i had it working with the nm-applet openvpn plugin |
| 13:30.41 | wulllst | i'm especially looking for replacement of the gnem/mate menu icon |
| 13:31.02 | BluesKaj | gcdie, which openvpn plugin? |
| 13:31.08 | SynrGy | gcdie: oh? see, that's the sort of thing i was wondering. |
| 13:31.09 | gcdie | wulllst : flattr |
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| 13:31.30 | wulllst | gcdie: ? |
| 13:31.52 | BluesKaj | on kde here , so gnome and unity NM is probly different , gcdie |
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| 13:32.44 | BluesKaj | wonders why the debian-kde chat is on a different server OFTC |
| 13:33.08 | SynrGy | BluesKaj: you should wonder, rather, why this channel is here at all. |
| 13:33.10 | gcdie | BluesKaj : https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/client-support/#linux_ubuntu_openvpn_12_04 |
| 13:33.14 | SynrGy | BluesKaj: irc.oftc.net is irc.debian.org |
| 13:33.23 | SynrGy | BluesKaj: all official debian support channels are on OFTC |
| 13:33.26 | gcdie | wulllst : the flattr icon theme |
| 13:33.27 | SynrGy | (and development) |
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| 13:33.48 | BluesKaj | SynrGy, yes , I'm there already , but the room is rather quiet |
| 13:33.57 | SynrGy | !tell BluesKaj about oftc move |
| 13:34.08 | SynrGy | BluesKaj: typical of developer channels. lurk and be patient. |
| 13:34.42 | SynrGy | we try to handle all user questions here, regardless of the desktop, but punt the harder ones to dev channels if nobody here knows. |
| 13:34.48 | wulllst | gcdie: ok, i'll see. otherwise, i may simply go with http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 13:35.31 | wulllst | gcdie: well that doesn't seem to be in the wheezy repos |
| 13:35.51 | gcdie | wulllst : yes i couln'd find it either |
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| 13:36.19 | BluesKaj | gcdie, this is what worked for me, https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/client-support/#linux_ubuntu_openvpn_12_04 |
| 13:37.09 | BluesKaj | err gcdie scroll up one section :) |
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| 13:38.31 | gcdie | BluesKaj : yeah, it seems to be a scripted version of the one I linked |
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| 13:39.16 | BluesKaj | gcdie, anyway it works ok so far |
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| 13:40.18 | gcdie | BluesKaj : I'm using it too, but on arch |
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| 13:41.31 | BluesKaj | ok gcdie , good to hear, sort of a one size fits all installer :) |
| 13:41.36 | gcdie | BluesKaj : and after seeing some of the Hope X conference video from yesterday, I'm a bit mixed about wether to keep using it |
| 13:42.37 | BluesKaj | gcdie, oh why? |
| 13:44.22 | BluesKaj | PIA succumbing to pressure from the MPAA? |
| 13:44.24 | gcdie | BluesKaj : you should watch the conf yourself and see : http://new.livestream.com/internetsociety/hopex1/videos/57038514 |
| 13:45.02 | gcdie | No just the use of vpn and other anonymizing software |
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| 13:50.08 | g105b | How do I set up a shell script to execute every time a directory's (recursive) contents changes? |
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| 13:54.32 | SPF | g105b: you can make a checksum of the ls -lR listing ever ?? seconds. if the checksum changes, you execute the script |
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| 13:55.07 | g105b | hmm, interesting idea... thanks. |
| 13:55.22 | neoz | lxde on debian uses 150mo, is there a way to decrease that? |
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| 13:55.32 | SirLagz | neoz: don't use lxde ? |
| 13:56.00 | neoz | SirLagz: use what instead? |
| 13:56.09 | SirLagz | neoz: depends on what your needs are. |
| 13:56.23 | SirLagz | neoz: Do you have any docklets or whatever lxde calls em ? |
| 13:56.40 | neoz | i've just installed lxde for the first time i don't know what these are |
| 13:56.58 | SirLagz | ah k |
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| 13:57.33 | SirLagz | neoz: personally for a low spec machine, I'd be using something like fluxbox or openbox |
| 13:58.01 | neoz | thank you i'll try |
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| 13:59.30 | neoz | brb |
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| 14:04.32 | nzoe | SynrGy: it's 116 with openbox at startup; can i decrease it further? |
| 14:06.12 | jhutchins | nzoe: What are you trying to do? Are you talking about memory use? |
| 14:06.50 | abrotman | nzoe: that's pretty low already. There are WMs that use less memory, but the functionality for a beginner decreases pretty quickly |
| 14:07.10 | nzoe | jhutchins: yes, just trying to optimize the window manager for low spec laptop |
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| 14:07.29 | abrotman | nzoe: what are the "low specs" ? |
| 14:07.37 | nzoe | is there a small guide for openbox by the way? feels pretty empty |
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| 14:08.04 | jhutchins | !free ram |
| 14:08.05 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 14:08.19 | abrotman | dpkg: tell jhutchins about bottell |
| 14:08.27 | KaaK | I've got a Debian host that loves to reboot randomly, and log next to nothing about it. Any way to get details on hard system reboots? |
| 14:08.29 | abrotman | nzoe: what are the specs on the laptop ? |
| 14:08.38 | abrotman | KaaK: clean reboot, or reset? |
| 14:08.43 | jhutchins | nzoe: How much RAM do you have? |
| 14:09.01 | jhutchins | KaaK: Most likely it's hardware |
| 14:09.14 | nzoe | jhutchins: 2GB but the computer slows down pretty fast with a few chromium tabs open |
| 14:09.27 | nzoe | abrotman: looking for them |
| 14:09.34 | KaaK | abrotman, hard reset. When going through syslog, it just dissapears for about 3 minuets, and then logs the boot information |
| 14:09.37 | abrotman | nzoe: Right, your WM isnt' the problem, it's your browser |
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| 14:09.56 | abrotman | nzoe: If you have Adobe Flash/Pepper Flash installed, it gets worse more quickly |
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| 14:10.22 | nzoe | abrotman: i need it for some websites; what's the alternative? |
| 14:10.35 | abrotman | KaaK: you may need to start looking at rsyslog and log things remotely |
| 14:11.08 | abrotman | nzoe: there really isn't one .. My laptop has 2GB also, and it occasionally swaps out large things, like the browser |
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| 14:11.30 | nzoe | abrotman: which browser would you suggest? |
| 14:11.41 | OpenTokix | abrotman: *snicker* 2G? |
| 14:11.45 | abrotman | nzoe: they all work roughly the same these days, one isn't better than the other |
| 14:12.00 | abrotman | OpenTokix: I've tried numerous times to upgrade to 8GB .. damn thing just beeps at me |
| 14:12.16 | OpenTokix | abrotman: Even with bios upgrade? |
| 14:12.41 | OpenTokix | abrotman: 4G should be doable, some dont accept 4G sticks, but 2G sticks works |
| 14:12.43 | abrotman | OpenTokix: It's supposed to support it out of the box .. |
| 14:12.48 | KaaK | abrotman, could you elaborate on rsyslog? I've got it currently setup to log everything locally, but you think remote logging might be worth a look? |
| 14:13.04 | abrotman | OpenTokix: I don't know where the disconnect is .. but it's frustrating. The laptop is otherwise great |
| 14:13.14 | abrotman | OpenTokix: Maybe I'll let you try at LISA if we both go :) |
| 14:13.26 | abrotman | KaaK: it might be, depends what part of the system is crashing |
| 14:13.43 | KaaK | abrotman, thanks, I'll give it a shot |
| 14:13.47 | OpenTokix | abrotman: that is the plan (to got ot LISA) |
| 14:14.03 | abrotman | I'm not sure if I'll go this year or not .. I have other things I have to go to also |
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| 14:14.45 | SynrGy | nzoe: i find a file manager running constantly to be a bit of overkill for my needs. so i don't run one |
| 14:15.03 | OpenTokix | abrotman: ofc. you will |
| 14:15.13 | SynrGy | nzoe: i do, however, like removable media to be detected and automounted, so i run udisks-glue instead |
| 14:15.39 | abrotman | OpenTokix: heh, "Yeah boss, OpenTokix said I have to go, so uh, I'm going" |
| 14:15.51 | OpenTokix | abrotman: yeah, should work |
| 14:15.56 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:16.13 | OpenTokix | abrotman: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t1.0-9/553_10152057071747942_459861560_n.jpg <-- show him this picture if he hesitates. |
| 14:16.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:17.03 | SynrGy | nzoe: xscreensaver is another useless thing it starts |
| 14:17.40 | nzoe | ok thanks |
| 14:17.41 | SynrGy | nzoe: http://paste.debian.net/110796/ |
| 14:17.42 | edfuo | my mother's USB stick seems to be damaged. It cannot be mountd anymore, the filesystem is no more regognized, and cfdisk /dev/sdX prints * Warning: read error (EIO) near sector(10628272), skipping...* for thousands of sectors. There are important files on the stick. How do I best save these? |
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| 14:19.46 | nzoe | how can i get a wifi/battery/volume panel on openbox? |
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| 14:20.11 | SynrGy | nzoe: as for openbox configuration, i find the web site helpful. |
| 14:20.26 | SynrGy | for volume, i borrow xfce's |
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| 14:20.42 | SynrGy | nzoe: xfce4-volumed |
| 14:20.56 | SynrGy | for wifi, i borrow gnome's. network-manager-gnome |
| 14:21.04 | SynrGy | for battery, i just use the lxpanel widget |
| 14:21.15 | nzoe | that's some hacking :) |
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| 14:21.32 | SynrGy | whatever does the job :) |
| 14:21.58 | rzr_ | wlan0 absent in ifconfig |
| 14:22.14 | SynrGy | rzr_: most often due to missing firmware. |
| 14:22.20 | SynrGy | rzr_: lspci -nn |grep -i network |
| 14:22.46 | SynrGy | rzr_: second most common issue is rfkill switch has accidentally flipped wifi off |
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| 14:23.39 | rzr_ | but when the laptop is started wifi is there but when i mannually turn it off , and start again , wifi cant be connectted |
| 14:24.06 | SynrGy | ok. sounds like the driver can't handle rfkill |
| 14:24.15 | SynrGy | maybe some race with reloading the firmware |
| 14:24.41 | SynrGy | the kernel/drivers have long standing issues with that class of problem. may be worse with wheezy's old 3.2 kernel than a backports kernel |
| 14:24.45 | SynrGy | !bpo kernel |
| 14:24.46 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
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| 14:25.13 | tonythomas | I am unable to enable my bluetooth adapter in debian 7 wheezy (KDE) |
| 14:25.31 | SynrGy | sorry. i don't know bluetooth from a sweet tooth :p |
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| 14:26.31 | tonythomas | SynrGy: I tried a lot of recommended ways in the help pages, but it doesn't seem to work |
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| 14:34.04 | Doyle_ | Hey |
| 14:34.17 | Doyle_ | How can i see which ppd file a printer is setup to use with CUPS? |
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| 14:36.41 | tyho | Is there a way to get debootstrap to install packages (--include) from contrib or non-free? |
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| 14:45.51 | tyho | :q |
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| 15:02.38 | bodom | Hi there! I have a fresh debian install that hangs at reboot with one long and two short beeps, continuosly. Any ideas? |
| 15:03.03 | thingfish | beeps are usually BIOS |
| 15:03.11 | thingfish | i.e. hardware problems |
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| 15:03.54 | thingfish | bodom: go to your motherboard manufacturer's website and you'll be able to find info that tells you what the beeps mean. |
| 15:03.58 | bodom | thingfish: at reboot? Hardware should be checked during post |
| 15:04.21 | thingfish | this is post-post? :P |
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| 15:05.03 | SynrGy | mismatched ram, etc. |
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| 15:05.30 | SynrGy | but definitely look up the beep codes. don't just guess. |
| 15:05.33 | bodom | SynrGy: is the system supposed to boot with mismatched ram? |
| 15:05.46 | SynrGy | i was furnishing an example, not diagnosing your issue |
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| 15:06.20 | SynrGy | so, what thingfish said. goo to mfr website and look up those codes. |
| 15:06.23 | SynrGy | go* |
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| 15:07.30 | bodom | So, motherboard manual says nothing about beeps |
| 15:08.55 | SynrGy | bodom: which motherboard? |
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| 15:09.29 | bodom | SynrGy: Asus J1800I-C http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/J1800IC/HelpDesk_Manual/ |
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| 15:15.10 | thingfish | A quick googling suggests memory is the problem indeed. |
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| 15:15.23 | thingfish | http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/281353-30-long-beep-short-beep |
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| 15:15.48 | thingfish | it's old but I bet they haven't changed their beep codes |
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| 15:16.23 | bodom | thingfish: I had already found that, but it doesn't make sense. Why should memory be checked at reboot? |
| 15:16.44 | SynrGy | bodom: do you have two sticks of ram? |
| 15:16.50 | SynrGy | two or more, i mean |
| 15:16.56 | bodom | SynrGy: only one |
| 15:17.28 | bodom | but the system runs ok, it just doesn't reboot. If I had faulty hardware, I suppose it didn't boot at all |
| 15:17.29 | SynrGy | bodom: did you assemble it yourself? |
| 15:17.41 | bodom | SynrGy: yes |
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| 15:17.53 | SynrGy | bodom: "doesn't reboot" meaning if you poewr off and power on it works? |
| 15:17.59 | SynrGy | power* |
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| 15:18.31 | SynrGy | i'm not sure in what universe "just doesn't reboot" is the same as "runs ok" :) |
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| 15:19.52 | bodom | SynrGy: I mean I issue "reboot" command. SysV stops all processes, then kernel writes on video "Restarting system". Then system is supposed to reboot, but it freezes and beeps instead. |
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| 15:20.14 | SynrGy | bodom: so you can confirm for me that if you power down and cold boot it's ok? |
| 15:20.26 | bodom | SynrGy: yes |
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| 15:20.39 | SynrGy | bodom: have you ever run it through memtest86+ for an extended period of time? |
| 15:20.43 | bodom | SynrGy: But system doesnt power off too |
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| 15:21.49 | bodom | SynrGy: no, but I don't think it would be useful. I bet it should be something related to APM/ACPI or UEFI, but I don't know enough about them to diagnose |
| 15:21.56 | SynrGy | there exists a class of hardware faults that will present only under uncommon circumstances ... i would call rebooting an "uncommon circumstance" |
| 15:22.07 | SynrGy | so, don't ask for it to make sense ... :) |
| 15:22.45 | SynrGy | whether or not there is *also* some software fault that precipitates the problem, i couldn't say ... |
| 15:22.53 | SynrGy | but the beep codes are telling you the BIOS hates your ram |
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| 15:24.10 | bodom | SynrGy: Those beep codes are POST beep codes. This is a reboot beep code. Never heard about them, but it is different :) |
| 15:24.35 | zh1 | does debian have a online wiki book that can be edited by all users? just see handbook here |
| 15:24.40 | thingfish | have you tried different memory? |
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| 15:25.02 | bodom | thingfish: no |
| 15:25.18 | SynrGy | bodom: there are "reboot beep codes"? you're making stuff up. |
| 15:25.20 | thingfish | memory might *not* be the issue, but at least it would allow you to check that possible cause off the list |
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| 15:26.21 | tyho | Does anybody know what happened to libgl1-nvidia-glx on jessie? It used to be in the repos (https://web.archive.org/web/20130823040049/http://packages.debian.org/jessie/libgl1-nvidia-glx) but has since dissapered |
| 15:26.23 | bodom | I don't have a spare one and I can't figure out how a faulty RAM could cause this behaviour |
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| 15:29.13 | SynrGy | bodom: if POST didn't happen during a reboot, why would someone file a patent like this? :) http://www.google.com/patents/US7984282 |
| 15:29.23 | SynrGy | seems pretty frivolous otherwise |
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| 15:31.19 | bodom | SynrGy: so you are saying that i have a RAM issue that makes system but and run flawlessly but doesn't allow it to reboot |
| 15:31.38 | SynrGy | i'm saying that your beep codes sound like a POST test failing. nothing more, nothing less. |
| 15:31.44 | SynrGy | you can draw whatever conclusions you want from it |
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| 15:31.55 | SynrGy | i also did not rule out there *also* being a software fault that precipitates that |
| 15:32.03 | SynrGy | but the codes indicate a hardware fault |
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| 15:32.29 | SynrGy | if you want to pursue it further, you need to seek support from the board manufacturer, because debian has nothing to do with producing those beep codes. |
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| 15:33.33 | thingfish | you could try ##hardware too maybe |
| 15:33.36 | SynrGy | i also don't rule out that the BIOS is buggy with respect to your ram, and the ram is perfectly ok |
| 15:33.53 | SynrGy | to pursue that, see what BIOS revision you have ... |
| 15:34.03 | SynrGy | look up the release notes for any more recent BIOS downloads that may be available |
| 15:34.34 | bodom | SynrGy: ty for your help, but I still think that's a some APM/ACPI/UEFI issue |
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| 15:34.54 | bodom | SynrGy: kernel/debian related |
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| 15:36.39 | freezevee | can someone please tell me how do I set a screensaver in wheezy 7.5 ? |
| 15:36.41 | SynrGy | bodom: so you disagree that the BIOS emitting wrong beep codes is not a BIOS manufacturer problem, at least in part? |
| 15:36.46 | freezevee | I can't find it :) |
| 15:37.01 | petn-randall | freezevee: Which desktop environment are you using? |
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| 15:37.22 | freezevee | petn-randall: I have no idea |
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| 15:37.23 | SynrGy | bodom: i think i adequately outlined the areas of uncertainty i still have. but under no circumstances should the BIOS be telling me "you have bad ram" when the ram is not, in fact, bad. |
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| 15:37.38 | SynrGy | bodom: and debian does not instruct the BIOS how to emit those beep codes. |
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| 15:38.13 | petn-randall | freezevee: How did you install Debian? |
| 15:38.20 | freezevee | live cd |
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| 15:38.48 | bodom | SynrGy: I think these beep codes are undocumented and not related to the ones issued during POST |
| 15:39.00 | freezevee | petn-randall: I thought that I was using gnome |
| 15:39.15 | freezevee | petn-randall: but I can't find many things I used to do in ubuntu |
| 15:39.24 | SynrGy | bodom: so you disagree that POST is also performed on a reboot? |
| 15:39.25 | freezevee | petn-randall: so this must be something else... it's the default one |
| 15:39.30 | petn-randall | freezevee: That's because Ubuntu is using Unity, not Gnome. |
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| 15:40.06 | Dr_Chroot | Falhawk: Fellow Liberty student? |
| 15:40.18 | bodom | SynrGy: If it called Power-On Self Test, yes, I disagree. Unless the engineer who named it was completely drunk :D |
| 15:40.23 | SynrGy | bodom: anyway, let's not tie up the channel further with this. i think the suggestion you go check out ##hardware was a good one. they may be able to shed light on your as yet unsubstantiated theories. |
| 15:40.36 | freezevee | petn-randall: yeah, debian has something similar but not unity |
| 15:40.37 | SynrGy | bodom: so the filers of the patent are on crack? |
| 15:41.08 | bodom | SynrGy: Probably. There are a dozilion useless and nonsense patents on this world. |
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| 15:41.36 | petn-randall | freezevee: I can't remember how to exactly do it, press the meta key and type 'screen', the selection should also offer configuring the screensaver. |
| 15:41.40 | SynrGy | bodom: "... using the information, wherein a subsequent POST associated with the rebooting of the computer is skipped during the rebooting of the computer." |
| 15:41.49 | SynrGy | very well |
| 15:42.00 | freezevee | petn-randall: that doesn't work, first thing tried |
| 15:42.15 | bodom | SynrGy: I trust more WikiPedia than a random patent |
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| 15:42.19 | petn-randall | freezevee: Open the settings manager |
| 15:42.32 | SynrGy | bodom: filed by HP? well, who are they anyway. probably don't know anything about computers :P |
| 15:42.47 | freezevee | petn-randall: nothing there, I've been to every choice |
| 15:42.51 | freezevee | petn-randall: If I can change desktop manager to gnome, I will be happy |
| 15:43.21 | petn-randall | freezevee: I've assumed you're running gnome. |
| 15:43.42 | freezevee | petn-randall: I don't have the classic gnome menu |
| 15:43.47 | petn-randall | freezevee: If not, it would be great if you find some info button that tells you which DE you're running. |
| 15:43.52 | Dr_Chroot | I'm trying to compile bar aint recursive, but keep getting the error that xcb/xinerama.h is missing. Ideas? I have downloaded every package that has anything to do with xinerama! |
| 15:44.06 | freezevee | petn-randall: and also it seems that apt-get install gnome or gnome-screensaver appears installed |
| 15:44.09 | bodom | SynrGy: Most companies just fill lots of patents with no contact to real world just so they can use them later for legal wars. Isn't this discussion completely OT? |
| 15:44.27 | petn-randall | freezevee: Doesn't mean you're using it, though. You can have several DEs installed in parallel. |
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| 15:44.40 | SynrGy | bodom: yep. take your complaint to ##hardware plz, and just ignore me otherwise :) don't know when to let a dead topic die :p |
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| 15:44.49 | petn-randall | bodom, SynrGy, yes, it's OT, head over to #debian-offtopic if you want to continue. |
| 15:44.54 | SynrGy | i don't |
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| 15:45.03 | Dudytz | how to view the default compile options of a oficial debian package? (is possible with any apt tool?) |
| 15:45.28 | SynrGy | Dudytz: download and examine the source |
| 15:45.39 | freezevee | petn-randall: this is what I got http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/r/story/70/00/015889/debiangnome-620x349.png?hash=MzWvAQAvBQ&upscale=1 |
| 15:45.40 | SynrGy | Dudytz: apt-get source packagename |
| 15:45.51 | Dudytz | SynrGy: is the only way? |
| 15:45.55 | SynrGy | Dudytz: look in debian/control for options that may be passed to the build |
| 15:45.58 | bodom | SynrGy: Thank you. I will just wait some hours and ask again later. Maybe someone knowing the solution to my problem will be online by then |
| 15:46.24 | bodom | petn-randall: it's over. Sorry for OT. |
| 15:46.26 | SynrGy | bodom: please don't. your problem is OT for this channel |
| 15:46.28 | freezevee | petn-randall: it's the unity-like manager on the top of gnome 3 |
| 15:46.29 | leni1 | is commenting out a 'Windows Vista' entry in the /boot/grub/grub.cfg safe? Since there is already an entry for 'Windows 7'. |
| 15:47.00 | Dr_Chroot | I'm trying to compile bar aint recursive, but keep getting the error that xcb/xinerama.h is missing. Ideas? I have downloaded every package that has anything to do with xinerama! |
| 15:47.00 | bodom | SynrGy: it isn't |
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| 15:48.14 | Edward_Snowden | hi |
| 15:48.26 | Dr_Chroot | hi snowden. |
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| 15:50.59 | bl4ckdu5t | I installed a package and I don't know the binaries I can use to execute it. How can I get binaries attached to a package? |
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| 15:51.23 | bodom | bl4ckdu5t: have a look at packages.debian.org |
| 15:51.34 | bl4ckdu5t | ok |
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| 15:51.55 | bl4ckdu5t | I thought it'll be a dpkg argument that'll output the attached bins |
| 15:52.19 | SynrGy | bl4ckdu5t: dpkg -L packagename |
| 15:52.21 | bodom | bl4ckdu5t: if you want to do it from command, line, you can use apt-file |
| 15:52.25 | SynrGy | grep that for 'bin' |
| 15:52.39 | SynrGy | apt-file is helpful too, and doesn't depend on you first having the package installed, either |
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| 15:54.19 | bl4ckdu5t | ok thanks SynrGy |
| 15:54.32 | ikonia | on a Debian Wheezy box - what would stop a network bond device from coming up, the bonding module is not being loaded automatically, which stops the bonding device from being created, |
| 15:54.41 | bl4ckdu5t | and bodom |
| 15:54.47 | ikonia | however I can insmod the bonding.ko and depmod shows it as a valid module |
| 15:54.56 | bodom | bl4ckdu5t: yw |
| 15:55.02 | ikonia | so something is stopping it from loading at boot time and thus stopping the bonded devices from being created |
| 15:55.22 | petn-randall | ikonia: I'm guessing the module doesn't get loaded on boot time. |
| 15:55.36 | ikonia | petn-randall: I've just told you it doesn't get loaded at boot time |
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| 15:56.14 | bodom | ikonia: can you load the module via modprobe? |
| 15:56.28 | petn-randall | ikonia: You're assuming that, and I agree. How do you load it on boot time? Is it in /etc/modules? |
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| 15:56.47 | freezevee | petn-randall: any ideas ? It seems I am going crazy to find easy things like this one :P |
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| 15:57.46 | ikonia | bodom: intereneting, insmod works, but depmod loading it complains that module not found |
| 15:57.49 | ikonia | petn-randall: I'm not assuming that |
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| 15:58.34 | mechanicalduck | hi |
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| 15:58.37 | mechanicalduck | W: GPG error: http://apt.puppetlabs.com wheezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 1054B7A24BD6EC30 |
| 15:58.38 | bodom | ikonia: I would start by fixing that at first then |
| 15:58.45 | ikonia | bodom: agreed, checking it now |
| 15:58.45 | mechanicalduck | So what can I do about this? |
| 15:58.48 | mechanicalduck | Can I add the key somehow? |
| 15:58.57 | ikonia | bodom: very odd that the file is there, and the insmod loads it, but depmod doesn't, |
| 15:59.00 | mechanicalduck | Is there a default place for those keys when the repository url is known? |
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| 15:59.29 | ikonia | I'd assume something a dependency module isn't in place based on that, but I'll need to check |
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| 15:59.49 | bodom | ikonia: I am not expert about it, but insmod directly reads a file, while modprobe does some magic, interpret some config, then looks for the file where it expect to found it |
| 16:00.06 | ikonia | bodom: yes, the dependencies, hence why I'm "assuming" it's failing |
| 16:00.11 | ikonia | I'll need to check more |
| 16:00.25 | tyho | I package I need (libgl1-nvidia) is avalible in sid, wheezy and wheezy-backports, used to be avalible in jessie, but has now dissapered, why is this? |
| 16:00.39 | tyho | *libgl-nvidia-glx |
| 16:00.54 | centrx | tyho, nvidia graphics packages were temporarily removed from testing to facilitate the X 1.16 transition |
| 16:00.56 | mechanicalduck | anyone? :( |
| 16:01.12 | tyho | centrx: ah, ok, when will they return? |
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| 16:01.50 | centrx | tyho, Probably 5 days. You can check the status at https://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html |
| 16:02.24 | tyho | centrx: thank you very much, I am trying to install steam in a chroot, and am not getting direct rending, I think it is becuase I have not installed libgl-nvidia-glx |
| 16:02.50 | petn-randall | freezevee: No idea, I don't use Gnome3. Maybe someone else can help. |
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| 16:03.06 | tyho | well i have installed steam, but it warns me no direct rendering when it starts, and glxgears is janky, so I do not have high hopes when left 4 dead finishes downloading |
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| 16:03.49 | ricepooding | tyho, just joined, are you talking about drivers missing from jessie? |
| 16:03.55 | tyho | #yeah |
| 16:04.09 | tyho | that was not suppost to be a hash tag :-| |
| 16:04.13 | ricepooding | ;) |
| 16:04.14 | jere | I am trying to compile a kernel module on Debian. Where exactly are the compiled kernel source files present? |
| 16:04.31 | ikonia | jere: normally in the kernel source |
| 16:04.32 | ricepooding | tyho, i downloaded TF2 just the other day and it won't run because of the missing ligl1-nvidia-glx package... :/ |
| 16:04.38 | ikonia | jere: or an external package |
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| 16:04.46 | tyho | ricepooding: we are in the same boat then |
| 16:05.04 | ricepooding | tyho, yup, i'd give the package a few days to migrate to testing |
| 16:05.06 | tyho | ricepooding: are you running jessie in a chroot or not |
| 16:05.35 | ricepooding | tyho, no, I was using jessie in a chroot previously but i wanted to upgrade to jessie |
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| 16:07.38 | BluesKaj | I assume the nvidia 331 drivers are still available in wheezy, correct? |
| 16:07.58 | mhoney | anyone know of a good hardware serial passthrough device that has a tap port for listening? |
| 16:08.42 | BluesKaj | was about to install wheezy on our desktop HTPC |
| 16:08.59 | mechanicalduck | gpgkeys: HTTP fetch error 7: couldn't connect: Success |
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| 16:09.02 | mechanicalduck | Yea, success.... |
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| 16:10.42 | jere | What does it mean to build a module against any kernel source tree present on file system and not just those happened to be install in /lib/ at sometime? |
| 16:10.45 | chrisb | any way to fix unbound and systemd invocation? |
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| 16:12.35 | jmcnaught | mechanicalduck: if you're having trouble with the puppet labs apt repo you should ask them, why would we know? |
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| 16:23.01 | ikonia | this is very odd, if I "ls -la" the file - it's there, if I "ismod" the .ko file I've just run ls against, it's there, if I modprobe it, it complains "not found" yet I can modinfo it fine |
| 16:23.10 | ikonia | the depmod map for it shows no other modules as a dependency |
| 16:24.42 | jere | What does it mean to build a module against any kernel source tree present on file system and not just those happened to be install in /lib/ at sometime? |
| 16:25.10 | ikonia | jere: you use the kernel source on the disk to build the module |
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| 16:25.22 | eristisk | Very often, my laptop will not go to sleep, and I don't know how to find out what is preventing it from sleeping |
| 16:25.28 | Rudde | so I think I've fucked up a mdadm array |
| 16:25.29 | ikonia | then drop it into your modules directory for the binary kernel |
| 16:25.35 | eristisk | I'm on Linux 3.14 with Debian |
| 16:25.53 | sheap | how would I define python-pip packages that depend on my debian package that I'm creating? |
| 16:26.08 | jere | When I download Debian, is the kernel source present in my distribution? If yes, what is the path? |
| 16:26.09 | mechanicalduck | jmcnaught: because it is debian / apt related. |
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| 16:26.29 | ikonia | sheap: pip and dpkg are seperate |
| 16:26.30 | unclezipper | ikonia: From the modprobe man page: modprobe intelligently adds or removes a module from the Linux kernel: note that for convenience, there is no difference between _ and - in module names (automatic underscore conversion is performed). modprobe looks in the module directory /lib/modules/`uname -r` for all the modules and other files, except for the optional configuration files in the /etc/modprobe.d directory (see m |
| 16:26.30 | unclezipper | odprobe.d(5)). modprobe will also use module options specified on the kernel command line in the form of <module>.<option> and blacklists in the form of modprobe.blacklist=<module>. |
| 16:26.32 | ikonia | jere: no you download it |
| 16:26.42 | Rudde | What can I do ? http://i.imgur.com/S68nTVS.png when I try to add the disks I get mdadm in --manage --add mode failed : mdadm: cannot get array info for /dev/md0 |
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| 16:26.51 | sheap | ikonia: yea I know, just wondering |
| 16:26.53 | ikonia | unclezipper: I'm aware of that, |
| 16:27.11 | ikonia | unclezipper: not quite sure why that fits into what I'm seeing though, unless I miss-understood what you're suggesting |
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| 16:27.43 | ikonia | Rudde: start the array |
| 16:27.55 | unclezipper | ikonia: Just wanted to throw it out there. Sometimes I find my problems are related to something simple like that, and I've been trying to look for less obvious problems :P |
| 16:28.02 | Rudde | yeah how do I do that? |
| 16:28.08 | Rudde | my other array started autmaticly |
| 16:28.29 | ikonia | unclezipper: I've been trying with the /lib/modules/`unamr -r` path in my debugging to make sure that wasn't the problem |
| 16:28.33 | ikonia | Rudde: there is an start option in "manage" I think |
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| 16:29.28 | Rudde | ikonia: Where? I don'ty see it and why is there no partitions listed in raid partitions? |
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| 16:30.36 | ikonia | Rudde: what are you talking about "listed in raid partitions2 |
| 16:30.44 | ikonia | Rudde: you need the array to be started before you can interact with it |
| 16:31.02 | Rudde | http://i.imgur.com/c3iCmYU.png |
| 16:31.06 | Rudde | There is no start button |
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| 16:31.34 | ikonia | Rudde: I have no idea about the gui |
| 16:31.54 | ikonia | Rudde: mdadm is the raid manager from the shell, try the "maange" option to start the array |
| 16:32.19 | Rudde | mdadm: failed to run array /dev/md0: Input/output error |
| 16:32.34 | Rudde | that was from cli |
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| 16:34.49 | Rudde | so there my array got back, but it's degraded and missing 2 drives |
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| 16:42.00 | sheap | have any of you used the nvidia provided run file? I'm kinda scared |
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| 16:42.49 | unclezipper | sheap: Don't do it, man. You're asking for trouble |
| 16:43.02 | sheap | unclezipper: :( |
| 16:43.07 | sheap | says my card is supported |
| 16:43.10 | sheap | buuut |
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| 16:43.42 | unclezipper | You're better off just using the ones in the repos |
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| 16:45.12 | sheap | "a newer driver may be available in backports" says nvidia-detect |
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| 16:47.02 | Terje_ | Hello, i'm currently in the process of installing debian, and have created 1 partition for ext4 and one for the swap area. When i press finish partitioning and write changes to disk, it says i have to define a root system - how do i do that? |
| 16:47.09 | sheap | looks like that's what I must do |
| 16:49.41 | Terje_ | Nevermind, i sorted it out :) |
| 16:49.52 | centrx | Good work team |
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| 16:55.40 | edfuo | ~bpo |
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| 16:55.45 | edfuo | !bpo |
| 16:55.45 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 16:55.51 | edfuo | ^^ now aptitude is suggested to use, apt-get at other times... |
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| 16:56.53 | babilen | edfuo: Yes, both are useful and we typically have good reasons to recommend one over the other for *specific* purposes |
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| 16:57.27 | sheap | babilen: could you explain the choice in this case? |
| 16:57.43 | edfuo | babilen: so it's recommended to mix their usage on one system nowadays? |
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| 16:58.06 | babilen | sheap: "this case" ? |
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| 16:59.10 | edfuo | babilen: kernel installation |
| 16:59.37 | babilen | edfuo: Oh, absolutely. They use the same library underneath. I tend to use apt (in apt 1.0.0) and apt-get for most everyday tasks and aptitude if I need its interactive resolver or search patterns. I also tend to use different resolvers (packup primarily) for apt-get if apt-get/aptitude can't come up with a good solution. (but then I'm tracking unstable where this is more important) |
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| 17:00.01 | babilen | edfuo: Which particular command are you referring to? |
| 17:00.17 | babilen | dpkg: bdo kernel |
| 17:00.17 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
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| 17:00.31 | babilen | edfuo: That one ^^^ ? |
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| 17:02.47 | edfuo | since apt-get also supports installing from a different release than the standard one so I don't see how to decide when to use apt-get and when aptitude (for installation of course; when it comes to search patterns, etc., aptitude's superiority is obvious) |
| 17:03.41 | babilen | edfuo: It doesn't make a difference in this case. As I said: I tend to use apt or apt-get for most everyday tasks and aptitude if I need one of its special features or resolver. |
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| 17:04.12 | babilen | It typically makes sense to compare their proposed actions if you try to resolve hairy situations |
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| 17:06.17 | edfuo | babilen: so having aptitude resolve dependency conflicts is also recommended when apt-get is usually used on a certain system? |
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| 17:07.13 | edfuo | babilen: (at least once in the past it wasn't recommended because of inconsistent databases or the like) |
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| 17:24.31 | yofun | hello my server has been hacked, I recovered it, what type of files/applications/ logs are available to see what he did? |
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| 17:24.55 | unclezipper | yofun: Check everything in /var/log/ |
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| 17:25.27 | yofun | what about commands etc? |
| 17:25.30 | somiaj | yofun: also assume your server is compermised and the only way to fix it is a complete/fresh install with new passwords/keys generated. |
| 17:25.46 | yofun | aye |
| 17:26.05 | somiaj | yofun: you can look in .bash_history of the various users they used, but the history is easy to clean up |
| 17:26.13 | unclezipper | probably /var/log/auth.log if it was a ssh-based attack. You may or may not be able to view the user's command history depending on whether or not the attacker cleared it. look in ~/.bash_history |
| 17:26.28 | yofun | 12:24 PM yofun hello my server has been hacked, I recovered it, what type of files/applications/ logs are available to see what he did? |
| 17:26.30 | yofun | ops.. |
| 17:26.36 | yofun | lol |
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| 17:28.43 | Terje_ | Hello. By mistake i chose to install the print server with my debian install. Is there a quick way to remove this, or do i have to locate & remove every package? |
| 17:29.38 | somiaj | Terje_: lots of libs will be marked as autoinstall, so you only need remove the main packages then let autoremove any extra libs brought in. If for some reason they aren |
| 17:29.50 | somiaj | Terje_: deborphan can look for extra libs on your machine that arent being used |
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| 17:30.22 | SynrGy | Terje_: tasksel --task-packages print-server |
| 17:30.32 | SynrGy | Terje_: that shows what was installed |
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| 17:30.50 | SynrGy | Terje_: should be just task-printer-server. remove that. then autoremove the rest. |
| 17:31.18 | SynrGy | er, task-print-server, even |
| 17:31.31 | Terje_ | Thank you for your help somiaj & SynrGy :) |
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| 17:33.24 | yofun | okay, so seemingly I can't login with sftp |
| 17:33.31 | yofun | well only two users |
| 17:33.44 | yofun | root and mystaria |
| 17:34.16 | jhutchins | yofun: Unless you have an IDS that can show you exactly what was done you can neer trust that system again. |
| 17:34.31 | yofun | IDS? |
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| 17:34.55 | jhutchins | yofun: Intrusion Detection System like Tripwire. |
| 17:35.16 | jhutchins | yofun: Even that can be tampered with, logs can be altered, stored checksums changed. |
| 17:35.28 | yofun | aye |
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| 17:36.19 | jhutchins | yofun: What you really need to do is to boot to a known good source (live CD) and back up your data, then do a clean reinstall including a format of the partitions. |
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| 17:37.10 | yofun | backing up existing data using the system is a bad idea? |
| 17:37.25 | jhutchins | yofun: Could be compromised/poisoned. |
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| 17:38.11 | jhutchins | yofun: There is a linux malware out there that installs a hidden filesystem. |
| 17:38.35 | Topslakr | Is there a simple way to make wheezy not change to a new graphics mode part way through boot? I did the install with the framebuffer off and now the system boots and I can login over SSH but the screen goes blank during boot. |
| 17:38.50 | heurist | yofun: as jhutchins says, that server is gone. you will need to make a new one, and then get your data (which you also can not trust anymore(but what can you do)) using a safe box (not the hacked one). |
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| 17:39.18 | heurist | Topslakr: getty has a no-clear option you can add to the inittab. |
| 17:39.28 | jhutchins | I think that the AVG scanner might be able to detect the malware. |
| 17:40.19 | jhutchins | Topslakr: You might also try removing the "quiet" option from the boot command. |
| 17:40.19 | heurist | I would not bet on av sotfware finding the sort of stuff tha can affect linux, but it will be a good idea of windows data is hosted there. |
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| 17:41.02 | jhutchins | heurist: AVG knows about the malware and can detect/repair it's windows equivalent. |
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| 17:41.23 | jhutchins | heurist: I haven't seen anything specific that is known to detect it on linux. |
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| 17:43.17 | jhutchins | There is linux-malware-detect or maldet that isn't packaged for wheezy. |
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| 17:43.40 | ioudas | rkhunter/chkroot i use |
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| 17:44.10 | heurist | ioudas: those are only good before you are compromised though. |
| 17:44.17 | ioudas | yep |
| 17:44.30 | ioudas | remote syslog as well |
| 17:44.35 | jhutchins | ... hasn't been updated since April 13. |
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| 17:49.03 | jelly-home | jhutchins: maldet -u says the signatures are from 2014-06-15 |
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| 17:51.07 | jhutchins | I was going by the update on sourceforge. |
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| 17:51.58 | jhutchins | heurist: Even with a detector, if you get hacked you can't trust anything on the system, but if you have good backups you know where to restore to. |
| 17:52.00 | jvv | hi, what should I change and where, so newly installed services wouldnt start automatically just after installation ? |
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| 17:52.18 | jhutchins | Er, yofun |
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| 17:52.32 | yofun | yes? |
| 17:52.42 | jhutchins | jvv: Why are you installing them if you don't want them to start? |
| 17:52.58 | yofun | ah |
| 17:53.47 | jhutchins | yofun: They do things like replace login with a binary that does somethiing else, and create some sort of back door shell that lets them run your server in a botnet. |
| 17:54.07 | jvv | jhulst: who said I dont want them to start ? do you start your services before configuring them ? why would I need started apache just after install with no config defined by me ? |
| 17:54.34 | jhutchins | jvv: They should only start if the default configuration is a sane way to run them (like sshd). |
| 17:55.03 | jhutchins | jvv: If they need real configuration to run, they often have a file in /etc/defaults that prevents them from starting until enabled. |
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| 17:56.08 | yofun | jhutchins: yeah I figured that, I'm aware of basic hacking |
| 17:56.10 | yofun | HF |
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| 17:57.10 | jvv | jhutchins: but I dont care if its sane or not. Administrator should decide if its sane for him, or not... |
| 17:58.19 | heurist | jvv: that is my one big bugbear with Debian: starting things as soon as they are instaled, Arch has a better aproach I my optinion. But most people want to run the services they install, so that is the default. |
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| 18:00.08 | jvv | heurist: well, I have been administering AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, RHEL, Centos and FreeBSD. and wondering 'what da hell ?' I understand that developers might make and ease on users and start for them... but there should be some global flag 'I want this', 'I dont want this' |
| 18:01.29 | jvv | heurist: so this cannot be turned off in easy way, right ? |
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| 18:02.15 | heurist | I have a hacked version of the process that does that, I can look up which files I modifdied if you need. |
| 18:02.16 | jmcnaught | jvv: there's this: http://blog.zugschlus.de/archives/974-Debians-Policy-rc.d-infrastructure-explained.html but note that the instructions there will also prevent daemons from restarting automatically when they are updated and might cause mysteries. I don't use it myself. It might be better to use files in /etc/default on a per package basis instead |
| 18:02.17 | jhutchins | jvv: Of course you can stop the service, and disable it from starting on boot. The mechanism is the same as any linux. |
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| 18:04.16 | jvv | jhutchins: no its not the same, Debian as only *NIX I know that does that... |
| 18:04.38 | jvv | jmcnaught: thx, will read about it |
| 18:04.41 | jmcnaught | jvv: see also /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz |
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| 18:06.06 | jvv | jhutchins: Debian was about freedom, right ? so someone decides that some services start on my server before I tune config for it ? |
| 18:06.58 | abrotman | jvv: for some daemons, you can pre-create a control file and disable it |
| 18:07.08 | petn-randall | jvv: It's not possible to centrally configure if a service gets started upon installation. Do you have another support question? |
| 18:07.15 | heurist | jvv: I copied /usr/sbin/update-rc.d to /usr/sbin/update-rc.d.real then made a script at /usr/sbin/update-rc.d that detected if it as being run at install time and quit, else it ran /usr/sbin/update-rc.d.real. This is based on what the Kali-Linux guys did in thier sysv-rc |
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| 18:07.57 | heurist | and I can not type. ): |
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| 18:08.02 | abrotman | heurist: that's dirty :) |
| 18:08.13 | jvv | heurist: nice ;) |
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| 18:08.22 | jmcnaught | heurist: do you use dpkg-divert for that? |
| 18:08.26 | abrotman | alternately, you could just have something else occupy the port so that the daemon fails to start? |
| 18:08.57 | heurist | abrotman: for everything I install? ouch. |
| 18:09.01 | jmcnaught | or keep the port blocked in your firewall until after the service is configured |
| 18:09.17 | abrotman | jmcnaught: that's too easy .. |
| 18:09.26 | heurist | I just changed the default run policy, seams simpler to me. |
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| 18:12.17 | heurist | jmcnaught: could do, if I had know about dpkg-divert, I just made a deb for it. |
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| 18:24.38 | wagner_ | debian testing: well, I just broke my system with a dist-upgrade... on a normal boot it just asks me to provide root password for maintenance (but apparently there are 2 processes asking for it, so I can`t do anything)... how do I proceed to get help? |
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| 18:25.26 | fcp13 | hello |
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| 18:26.03 | fcp13 | i've debian jessie when i made dist-upgrade can't boot appears thinkpad_acpi: Unsupported |
| 18:26.03 | fcp13 | brightness interface, please contact ibm-acpi-devel@lists.sourceforge.net |
| 18:26.08 | fcp13 | anyone can help? |
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| 18:26.48 | fcp13 | the #debian-next must be only with invite :S |
| 18:27.20 | mtn | fcp13: not if you are on the correct server |
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| 18:27.46 | fcp13 | mtm im at freenode |
| 18:27.47 | mtn | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
| 18:27.49 | fcp13 | it's ? |
| 18:27.50 | fcp13 | ahhh |
| 18:27.52 | fcp13 | sorry |
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| 18:27.54 | fcp13 | thanks! |
| 18:28.03 | mozis | hi, how can extract an tar.gz into one folder which not exists and without doing "mv" ?? |
| 18:30.20 | pupil | mozis: tar -xvfz file.tar.gz |
| 18:30.47 | mozis | oh sorry my question wasnt complete |
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| 18:31.37 | mozis | how can i extract an tar.gz file, called bridge-utils-1.5.tar.gz to bridge-utils if the folder doesnt exists and without "mv or cp" ?? |
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| 18:33.17 | centrx | mozis, Find the right option for tar in the manpage |
| 18:33.35 | centrx | Otherwise, use mkdir and cp |
| 18:33.38 | centrx | or mv |
| 18:33.45 | mozis | hehe i tried but i found no way atm doing this without mv or cp |
| 18:33.54 | socomm | tar -xzvf tar.tar.gz -C /path/to/directory |
| 18:34.01 | phy1729 | I'm starting a process and it dies soon after (a second or two). How can I get the group it's running under? |
| 18:34.03 | ndf808 | mozis just extract the tar with the compression option for the compression in use. |
| 18:34.24 | jmcnaught | mozis: also bridge-utils 1.5 is in Wheezy, the packaged version is probably what you should be using instead of compiling from source if that's what you're up to |
| 18:34.27 | mozis | "-C" needs an allready existing folder but this is not what i need |
| 18:34.54 | mozis | i will compile from source tight |
| 18:34.58 | mozis | *right |
| 18:35.25 | jmcnaught | mozis: look in the tar man page for "--strip-components" but seriously, compiling stuff from source when a package is available is usually a bad idea |
| 18:35.32 | socomm | mozis: mkdir -P /path/to/directory && tar xzvf file.tar.gz -C /path/to/directory |
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| 18:36.14 | mozis | thanks to all but it seems to use only tar without additiol command isnt possible !? |
| 18:36.16 | candel | hi! |
| 18:36.22 | socomm | mozis: generally compiling source should be avoided, it make upgrading/maintenance/updates a pain in the arse |
| 18:36.23 | mozis | *additional |
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| 18:37.06 | candel | how can I tell which font size is being used _right_now_ in tty's? |
| 18:37.18 | candel | I can't tell the resolution for my tty's |
| 18:37.19 | mozis | mkdir -p folder && tar ... seems so far the only way ... |
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| 18:37.33 | jmcnaught | mozis: combining -C and --strip-components will probably do the trick. However what you really want to do is "apt-get install bridge-utils" |
| 18:37.42 | sec | candel: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup shows that at the end I think |
| 18:37.50 | ndf808 | mozis: sounds like you are trying to extract the package to a folder other than the one in the package, that's why you need additional commands. Byt default it will extract into the folder it was packaged in. |
| 18:38.02 | mozis | ok let me try "--strip-components" lets see |
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| 18:40.28 | jmcnaught | mozis: what's wrong with the bridge-utils package? |
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| 18:42.33 | pankid | I think I just killed my backup drive. I tried re-sizing it using this: http://positon.org/resize-an-ext3-ext4-partition and now I am getting a "The filesystem size (according to the superblock) is 52428800 blocks The physical size of the device is 49072542 blocks Either the superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt! Abort? yes" |
| 18:42.48 | mozis | --strip-components just removes the top level directory ... is think i have to deal with mkdir -p folder && before doing untar |
| 18:43.49 | mozis | but thanks anyway for your nice support "/" help |
| 18:44.00 | mozis | *all |
| 18:44.21 | jere | On this link: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/27042/what-does-a-kernel-source-tree-contain-is-this-related-to-linux-kernel-headers . What exactly does 'ls -l /usr/src/linux' this command mean? |
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| 18:44.53 | mozis | man ls !?! |
| 18:45.14 | mozis | ls shows output of the directory and "-l" switch means listing mode |
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| 18:48.58 | candel | sec: I got to see available fonts for the tty, but not the resolution, as in 7x13, 7x14, which is what I need |
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| 18:49.33 | sec | candel: it shows that too afaik, press enter on the font selected, it's on the next screen |
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| 18:50.40 | sec | candel: there should be a better way anyway, this was from the top of my head |
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| 18:51.38 | candel | darn it! |
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| 18:52.56 | sec | candel: does showconsolefont work? |
| 18:53.04 | sec | that and setfont |
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| 18:53.36 | candel | as you said, there was one more screen |
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| 18:53.48 | candel | it's 8x14 that I want |
| 18:53.49 | candel | thanks! |
| 18:53.55 | sec | Ah well, glad I could help ;) |
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| 18:54.23 | jere | I have not installed source tree on my Debian then why does /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build shows folders `arch`, `include` etc..? |
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| 19:03.12 | jmcnaught | jere: what are you trying to do? |
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| 19:05.51 | jmcnaught | jere: it sounds like you're trying to compile a kernel module. Have you checked if there's a Debian package that builds this module for you? Generally when you build kernel modules from source you have to repeat the steps every time the kernel is updated. If you tell use the core problem you're trying to solve there might be a better/easier way. |
| 19:05.57 | jere | I am attempting Eudyptula challenge. I sent the file, and got back the response that my module should compile against any source tree on filesystem and not only that which was installed in /lib/ at some time |
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| 19:06.18 | jere | Other than I have already compiled and run a linux kernel module, so thats there. |
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| 19:07.09 | rasc | jere: se we shouldn't help you, right? |
| 19:07.28 | jmcnaught | jere: okay sounds like fun :) |
| 19:08.08 | jere | rasc: If I ask you WHAT I have to do then sure not. I will eventually figure it out. Right now, I am trying to get my head around what is happening. :) |
| 19:08.32 | rasc | jere: do the rules say you have to do it yourself? |
| 19:09.06 | rasc | jere: the answer is in the debian kernel-handbook |
| 19:09.10 | kikimeter | !minimal |
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| 19:09.40 | kikimeter | where I can found information for the difference beetween debian-minimal and debian ? |
| 19:09.45 | meek_geek | does debian stable support 4600 Intel Graphics out of the box ? |
| 19:09.49 | jere | rasc: of course. They were particularly pissed at people who were posting code et el. But asking what is kernel source tree, what does /build/ contains isn't cheating. or is it? |
| 19:09.57 | sec | kikimeter: I think you mean netinstall? |
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| 19:10.27 | rasc | jere: do you want to try the kernel-handbook first? it's a package you can install |
| 19:10.47 | jere | rasc: doing it right now. |
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| 19:11.37 | jmcnaught | meek_geek: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ might help you figure it out |
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| 19:12.00 | meek_geek | ok |
| 19:12.09 | meek_geek | jmcnaught, is it your site ? |
| 19:12.51 | jmcnaught | meek_geek: no |
| 19:13.06 | mtn | kikimeter: not sure what you are referring to, but try the debian website for info about debian and its versions |
| 19:14.05 | jmcnaught | kikimeter: if "debian-minimal" is some template option on a VPS host, it's probably a mutilated version that is missing standard packages |
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| 19:14.46 | kikimeter | debian-7.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso install from network ? |
| 19:15.00 | sec | Yes kikimeter |
| 19:15.02 | kikimeter | k |
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| 19:15.24 | sec | It does have all the packates for a bare minimum install though |
| 19:15.40 | kikimeter | thank you sec |
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| 19:16.18 | jvv | http://major.io/2014/06/26/install-debian-packages-without-starting-daemons/ here seems a simple hack |
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| 19:18.33 | jmcnaught | jvv: isn't that the same solution that i linked you to an hour ago? keep in mind that this probably means services also won't restart automatically after upgrades |
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| 19:20.07 | jvv | jmcnaught: no, it is not the same solution |
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| 19:23.15 | jmcnaught | jvv: i don't see the difference, they both recomend using "exit 101" in the same file but whatever. If it were me I'd just keep the firewall ports blocked until the service was configured. |
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| 19:27.19 | jvv | jmcnaught: that is not rationale for unnecessary action if either way I need to stop it/restart it... and if people like this guy na major.io do that, then it seems that I am not the only one that has such opinion |
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| 19:30.07 | porton | Loading of this Web page is stalled: http://people.debian.org/~lbrenta/debian-ada-policy.html |
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| 19:30.50 | porton | http://people.debian.org/ does not load as well |
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| 19:32.07 | porton | Hey?! Anyone responsible for Debian Web servers? |
| 19:33.02 | jmcnaught | porton: be patient. #debian-www on irc.oftc.net might be a better place to ask |
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| 19:33.37 | Gemclip | is there a way to map the key combonation CTRL-C to copy and CTRL-V to paste? |
| 19:34.43 | jhutchins | Gemclip: In what that doesn't already do that? |
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| 19:36.21 | Gemclip | in the terminal. I was hoping to use the mapping system wide |
| 19:37.18 | unclezipper | How can I wget/curl a page that uses AJAX to load some content? |
| 19:37.42 | rasc | Gemclip: what terminal are you using? |
| 19:37.45 | jmcnaught | Gemclip: if you're using Gnome Terminal, try Shift-Ctrl-C/V for copy paste |
| 19:37.46 | unclezipper | Gemclip: Most terminal emulators use Shift-Ctrl-C and Shift-Ctrl-V |
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| 19:38.03 | Gemclip | ahh thank you |
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| 19:38.53 | Gemclip | unclezipper: wget -r -l 1 -nd http://<nameofurl> |
| 19:38.59 | unclezipper | Reason being, Ctrl sequences are reserved in some shells. For example, Ctrl-C will stop a running program, Ctrl-Z will pause its execution and put it in the background... |
| 19:39.42 | unclezipper | Gemclip: Thanks for that |
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| 20:22.28 | andrej | How do I find out whether a file from a package is considered a config file? I need to change /etc/init.d/open-iscsi, because every time someone changes any network interface iscsi disconnects. But I don't want to have to do this after every update to iscsi |
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| 20:23.47 | temhaa | hi |
| 20:23.58 | temhaa | I want install openvz my debian machine |
| 20:24.04 | temhaa | http://openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian I did according to what is written here |
| 20:24.10 | temhaa | but vzctl create command get error: |
| 20:24.17 | temhaa | Directory /proc/vz not found, assuming non-OpenVZ kernel |
| 20:24.22 | temhaa | Container init failed: Cgroup is not mounted |
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| 20:26.12 | andrej | duh. answeering my own question. /var/lib/dpkg/info/open-iscsi.conffiles |
| 20:26.18 | andrej | thanks :) |
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| 20:34.43 | jmcnaught | andrej: there might be something in /etc/default/open-iscsi that you could change before editing the init script |
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| 20:35.58 | rasc | temhaa: we don't support third party packages here |
| 20:37.54 | rasc | temhaa: you should use some container that is supported in the kernel, like lxc |
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| 20:39.23 | rasc | temhaa: wiki page on LXC https://wiki.debian.org/LXC |
| 20:39.29 | c107 | zykotick9: Re: libmotif. What PPA is it? / How do I add its PPA? |
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| 20:45.39 | andrej | jmcnaught: I can't see any hint that suggest that file exists, or would be honoured if it existed. |
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| 20:45.57 | andrej | The f*cked up init script has been an open bug since 2008 |
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| 20:48.52 | jmcnaught | andrej: i don't use that package but I did check apt-file before suggesting it. On Wheezy the open-iscsi package includes /etc/default/open-iscsi file. I don't know if it has what you need, but files in /etc/default are worth checking before changing the init script |
| 20:50.57 | zykotick9 | c107: ya, you don't use PPAs with debian! they only lead to tears. AND, i have no idea, but it's jessie/sid that has the free-motif version you're looking for... good luck. |
| 20:51.20 | rasc | dpkg: tell c107 -about PPA |
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| 20:56.41 | asturel | hi, i wanted to install python-cairo but it want to install lot of dep.. which imho unneeded.. like intel,radeon, nvidia mesa drivers :S |
| 20:56.47 | asturel | isnt there some 'lightweight' version? |
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| 20:59.40 | rasc | asturel: can you paste what you get for us? |
| 20:59.56 | rasc | dpkg: tell asturel -about paste |
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| 21:00.02 | asturel | http://bpaste.net/show/xPKW7XDltabsFSkVsiXP/ |
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| 21:00.45 | asturel | ehm sorry, should i paste to one in the list? |
| 21:01.06 | petn-randall | asturel: no, it's fine to paste it here. |
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| 21:01.39 | petn-randall | asturel: You can try 'apt-get --no-install-recommends install python-cairo', but I think they're all hard dependencies. |
| 21:02.45 | rasc | it apears the xorg pulls all the libdrm for all it's drivers the support it |
| 21:03.19 | rasc | or rather, mesa pulls it |
| 21:04.55 | rasc | asturel: each of those packages is less than 200kB, is that a problem? |
| 21:05.17 | asturel | but lot of package :/ |
| 21:05.41 | asturel | seems like a direct suicide 4 me |
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| 21:06.15 | petn-randall | asturel: I've got over 3.000 installed, a few like that won't hurt ;) |
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| 21:07.03 | petn-randall | asturel: Please don't be so destructive, he had an honest support request. |
| 21:07.19 | asturel | ? |
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| 21:07.56 | NicePerson | i made a song about debian |
| 21:08.04 | rasc | asturel: I want to know if you have a very small system |
| 21:08.10 | petn-randall | asturel: errr ... no need for suicide, it's just 30 MB ;) |
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| 21:08.27 | asturel | apt-get --no-install-recommends install python-cairo seems reduced it a lot thanks :D |
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| 21:09.02 | asturel | rasc well its only a vps with 25G disk, but not the space the problem i just didnt wanted to fill the system with ehm.. :D |
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| 21:09.42 | rasc | asturel: a very small debian system will have more than 1000 packages, that's a 0,3% increase |
| 21:10.07 | Spec | random debian server i ssh'd into only has 712 ;) |
| 21:10.15 | asturel | mine is under 600 |
| 21:10.23 | Spec | and that's not a "lightweight" debian server |
| 21:10.31 | asturel | and i still have lot of packages installed which i dont need |
| 21:10.34 | Spec | ^ |
| 21:11.02 | Spec | another random server, 571 packages |
| 21:11.07 | rasc | Spec: yeah, but it won't have cairo... |
| 21:11.11 | Spec | heck no |
| 21:11.11 | asturel | :D |
| 21:11.17 | asturel | i want graphite :$ |
| 21:11.25 | Spec | oh, you use cairo with graphite? |
| 21:11.26 | asturel | if anyone can suggest better alternative |
| 21:11.36 | asturel | no.. graphite want to use cairo :D |
| 21:11.39 | Spec | graphite is sweet :p |
| 21:11.47 | Spec | let me check the graphite server |
| 21:11.53 | andrej | jmcnaught: thanks for the double-check, I'll have another look |
| 21:12.21 | Spec | 713 packages, with python-cairo et al |
| 21:12.45 | Spec | didn't pull in libdrm* |
| 21:12.59 | asturel | how? |
| 21:13.04 | Spec | prolly apt-get install ;) |
| 21:13.13 | rasc | k, It's a different use i wasn't aware, you two win |
| 21:13.15 | asturel | well why mine wants that |
| 21:13.15 | Spec | X isn't installed or anything |
| 21:13.33 | Spec | asturel: dunno, i have no *mesa* libs or x drivers or anything like that. |
| 21:14.14 | Spec | asturel: oh, haha, coworker installed graphite from sauce. that's how. |
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| 21:14.34 | rasc | dpkg: tell asturel -about equivs |
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| 21:15.57 | petn-randall | Spec: Tomato or Pesto sauce? |
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| 21:16.50 | Spec | petn-randall: probably habanero :) |
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| 21:17.13 | rasc | Some of could prepare a patch for the package if you have the time |
| 21:17.23 | rasc | some of you* |
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| 21:18.05 | asturel | thanks |
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| 21:19.24 | andrej | jmcnaught: no mention of the interface names in /etc/default/open-iscsi, so I still have to go down the route of hacking the script up :} |
| 21:19.28 | andrej | Thanks, anyway |
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| 21:20.01 | rasc | andrej: put the patch in the bug tracker if there isn't one there already |
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| 21:23.54 | sheffield | Hello, I want to ask about the status of the lxdm display manager/greeter. |
| 21:24.23 | rasc | ,v lxdm |
| 21:24.24 | judd | No package named 'lxdm' was found in i386. |
| 21:24.47 | sheffield | It's been included in ubuntu (and Mint Ubuntu) but is not in wheezy for instance. |
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| 21:25.22 | rasc | there's a ITP(intend to package) bug here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560004 |
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| 21:26.11 | sheffield | I like it, similar to slim but just a but different - both have a good looking blue login screen. |
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| 21:28.12 | rasc | the owner of the bug doesn't seen very interested, the last update is from Jan 2013, you could ask for help in #debian-mentors in oftc for how to package it for debian yourself |
| 21:28.57 | sheffield | had an i486 wheezy + lxde installation : very good but comes with lightdm ; it's decent sometimes but has shortcomings when used "raw". a friend had trouble logging in.. like, you're in the display manager/login screen and you don't even know if it asks for password or username, because you hit space or enter.. |
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| 21:31.25 | viccuad | guys, how does the touchpad get set up, if you are using nouveau and then there's no xorg.conf?? |
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| 21:34.57 | zykotick9 | viccuad: historically, i used a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf to add the tap-to-click for my old EEEpc |
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| 21:36.19 | sheffield | viccuad: for like three or four years, Xorg has been made to work without any xorg.conf file. But one can be generated with `X -configure` |
| 21:36.19 | viccuad | zykotick9: the xorg.conf.d it's not present anymore for me neither in stable nor in testing. but the touchpad is configured in stable, and it isn't in testing |
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| 21:37.08 | zykotick9 | viccuad: for wheezy, i can say you can create it, and the file inside. for testing - i wouldn't know... |
| 21:38.23 | viccuad | do you know if gnome-shell(or lxde, etc) would be able to change the preferences from the guis if I make an X config? |
| 21:38.26 | sheffield | It is more "compentized" too. xrandr/RandR should manage display resolutions, multiple displays and rotating etc. XInput should manage some input things. |
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| 21:40.07 | viccuad | I'm just puzzled. I have a backup of my / in stable, and now I'm in testing. There's no configs in neither of them, but in testing the touchpad has little sensitivity/no acceleration. |
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| 21:41.00 | make | Hello |
| 21:41.04 | viccuad | both with nouveau. I have the xorg.0.log here: http://paste.debian.net/110872/ |
| 21:41.09 | make | Any Russians here |
| 21:41.12 | sheffield | viccuad, it's all more modern now but if you want to generate a xorg.conf, you still need to get into a text console (ctrl-alt-f1, or ssh etc.) and kill the display manager and do your stuff there. |
| 21:41.55 | viccuad | sheffield: thanks. guess I will give that a try |
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| 21:42.22 | make | Why don't Russians care about the people they killed on the plane |
| 21:42.27 | sheffield | zykotick9 answered your thing somewhat, too. |
| 21:42.39 | make | Why don't they fucking care |
| 21:42.41 | vook | make: see debian-ru on oftc - wait, nevermind. |
| 21:42.45 | sheffield | make: is that true |
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| 21:42.57 | make | Seems to be |
| 21:43.05 | make | I would like to ask a russian |
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| 21:43.15 | make | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:43.35 | sheffield | I know that I didn't care when they downed the plane with 50 military personel on-board.. |
| 21:43.38 | vook | make, this is hardly on topic. Any why you seek to have a single russian answer for all other +100 million is beyond me. |
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| 21:44.28 | sheffield | make, I'll chat with you |
| 21:44.47 | make | Mil planes don't contain adorable young girls |
| 21:44.52 | vook | please take it to #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:45.03 | make | It's not off topic |
| 21:45.11 | sheffield | it is |
| 21:45.18 | make | The russian coldness to any human emotion is a problem |
| 21:45.24 | vook | "adorable young girls" is offtopic |
| 21:45.28 | make | What are you all Russians and Germans |
| 21:45.37 | vook | op? |
| 21:45.47 | gotmynick | everyday people dies in wars, please, stop off topic |
| 21:45.54 | sheffield | I am french, and aristocracy russians all speaked French |
| 21:45.58 | make | If something isn't about technology or science or steel |
| 21:46.10 | make | You just don't care |
| 21:46.30 | zykotick9 | make: this just isn't debian-support related. end of story. |
| 21:46.32 | viccuad | this is not the place |
| 21:46.43 | make | Says a russian or German |
| 21:46.51 | viccuad | also, people care. that's why are here, spending their time, volunteering |
| 21:46.53 | make | Other people care about human beings |
| 21:47.01 | make | Other people have emotions |
| 21:47.06 | make | Russians don't care |
| 21:47.10 | sheffield | we care. |
| 21:47.12 | make | Putin doesn't care |
| 21:47.22 | vook | make: we care in #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:48.06 | make | If putins whole family and all his friends were on that plane he would have still outstretched his hand to press the button to command the missile to launch |
| 21:48.11 | sheffield | iranians probably care, they got a plane downed 26 years ago.. |
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| 21:48.18 | make | Putin doesn't care about anyone in the world |
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| 21:48.32 | sheffield | see ya on -offtopic if you wish.. |
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| 21:48.46 | make | And Russians see noting wrong with this because they have he same lack of emotions |
| 21:48.50 | make | Germans too |
| 21:49.11 | zykotick9 | make: please stop... |
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| 21:49.23 | make | But many Russians are a mix of German and russian blood from when the time russian czars invited German immigrants in |
| 21:49.29 | sheffield | and US and french and everyone else |
| 21:49.40 | make | No just Russians and Germans |
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| 21:50.00 | sheffield | yeah and there's Koenisgberg. but the germans were kicked out. |
| 21:50.03 | vook | make: Ian Murdock was German - the creator of Debian |
| 21:50.15 | make | Every evil thing America owns or has developed was y German or russian scientists who joined America |
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| 21:50.46 | vook | was/is |
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| 21:51.12 | petn-randall | looks at the topic, and then back to you. |
| 21:51.28 | make | Ian Murdock created debian for technical reasons. Once it stopped being about only technology but community too he dropped it |
| 21:51.35 | make | He just didn't care |
| 21:51.49 | sheffield | make, I think you're shocked and disheartened. |
| 21:51.51 | vook | at least I'm laughing now |
| 21:51.56 | make | Germans are cozying up to the Russians recently |
| 21:52.06 | make | They see something they like in them |
| 21:52.17 | make | Something familiar |
| 21:52.18 | sheffield | you want to talk about Gerhard Schröder? lol |
| 21:52.38 | petn-randall | make, sheffield, please take it to #debian-offtopic, where this is better suited. |
| 21:52.40 | make | Russians don't give a fuck that they killed all those people |
| 21:53.05 | make | They see the world as one sees people in a movie through a screen |
| 21:53.09 | sheffield | make please join offtopic too. |
| 21:53.15 | make | Detached |
| 21:53.23 | make | Separated |
| 21:53.30 | petn-randall | make, stop it. |
| 21:53.32 | make | As if an unfeeling dream |
| 21:53.55 | sheffield | you mean like you detach a screen? |
| 21:55.29 | make | Sheffield, like as if you are on a bus going through life and the rest of the human beings on the planet even your mother and father and siblings are just things beyond the bus windows, out there, apart, distant |
| 21:55.33 | teraflop | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.04 | make | Russians just cannot understand emotion |
| 21:56.13 | petn-randall | make, final warning. This channel is for Debian support requests. If you want to talk about this, take it somewhere else. |
| 21:56.15 | make | This is why they let snowden in |
| 21:56.28 | make | They just see him as someone who is against America |
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| 21:56.40 | make | So they do a calculation and bring him in |
| 21:56.43 | petn-randall | !ops make |
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| 21:56.45 | sheffield | make, you speak too much |
| 21:57.02 | make | They don't care he's a traitor, they even say yes he is a traitor |
| 21:57.13 | make | Traitor means nothing to them |
| 21:57.31 | sheffield | but there were very very bad things last ten to twelve years. |
| 21:57.36 | make | He is for russia and therefore on their side and therefore good. It's as simple as that |
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| 21:58.01 | make | No emotion, just calculation. |
| 21:58.23 | make | It's like another Germany |
| 21:58.46 | petn-randall | make: Take your armchair politcs somewhere else. |
| 21:59.02 | vook | make: seriously, if you'd like to have a discussion in #debian-offtopic, people will join you. All you are doing is a broadcast though, you may as well talk to a wall. |
| 21:59.08 | make | Can normal people even have children wit Russians |
| 21:59.31 | teraflop | oh lord, do you eat tongue? |
| 21:59.38 | zykotick9 | make: take your racism/nationism-prejudices elsewhere please! |
| 22:00.40 | make | Zy: look Russians look good physically |
| 22:00.57 | make | But there is no... That thing that makes us alive |
| 22:00.57 | petn-randall | !ops please don't give him this audience. |
| 22:00.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: please don't give him this audience. |
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| 22:01.47 | sheffield | oh, I will not speak about Richard Perle, Tony Blair, Dick Cheney, John Bolton and Wolfowitz. but I sort of mentioned their names. I quit talking politics after that. |
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| 22:02.43 | gotmynick | I get enough pro-war propaganda on the news I pay with my taxes in europe |
| 22:02.48 | gotmynick | good nights |
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| 22:08.31 | petn-randall | !ops argh, please keep #debian-offtopic clean of bullshit |
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| 22:19.45 | liquidAnger | hello everyone |
| 22:20.18 | meek_geek | liquidAnger, sup |
| 22:20.54 | liquidAnger | not muchhh, |
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| 22:21.22 | liquidAnger | who can i "convert" my wheezy to rolling release ? |
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| 22:23.01 | Alex149 | liquidAnger: by editing the file /etc/apt/sources.list and changing all the "wheezy" or "testing" occurrences to "unstable" or "sid" |
| 22:23.18 | Alex149 | then doing apt update / apt upgrade |
| 22:23.22 | liquidAnger | and then just update && upgrade ? |
| 22:23.33 | Alex149 | and dist-upgrade also. |
| 22:23.42 | liquidAnger | and thats it ? |
| 22:23.47 | Alex149 | Yes :) |
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| 22:23.56 | liquidAnger | let meeeee try |
| 22:23.58 | liquidAnger | thank you |
| 22:24.02 | teraflop | heh |
| 22:24.05 | Alex149 | welcome |
| 22:25.35 | liquidAnger | in progresss.... |
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| 22:27.00 | liquidAnger | its asking for some mozilla certificates ? |
| 22:27.04 | liquidAnger | what should i type |
| 22:27.12 | fcp2014 | hello ;) |
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| 22:27.24 | liquidAnger | hi |
| 22:27.29 | liquidAnger | just pressd enter |
| 22:28.21 | fcp2014 | please anyone can help after apt-get upgrade i can't boot only on recover mode, appears an msg thinkpad_acpi unsupported brightness interface please contact ibm-acpi-devel |
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| 22:30.12 | jmcnaught | liquidAnger: Debian unstable isn't really meant for end-users or new-comers to Debian. You should read at least http://deb.li/sidfaq and probably also the Debian Reference if that's what you're going to use |
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| 22:31.08 | liquidAnger | ok i will it in mind , thank you |
| 22:31.18 | liquidAnger | *keep in mind |
| 22:31.20 | jmcnaught | Alex149: probably best to direct people to documentation about unstable rather than simply directing them to upgrade blindly |
| 22:31.33 | jmcnaught | liquidAnger: if it breaks you get to keep both pieces :) |
| 22:31.58 | liquidAnger | well still downloading packages |
| 22:32.15 | ponyofdeath | hi how do i pin packages from non-free or main as higher priority? |
| 22:32.18 | liquidAnger | i have a smokeping installed on it to monitoring the network |
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| 22:32.33 | ponyofdeath | i see a lot of examples to pin from different urls but not sub dir's |
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| 22:32.59 | Terje_ | Im attempting to download the debian wheezy source code. I've done apt-get source linux. My guide tells me it should be in my "linux-version" directory, where is that located in debian? |
| 22:33.15 | sheffield | jmcnaught: more than a few times, I read advice that using sid / unstable is easier or less buggy than testing :). |
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| 22:33.35 | liquidAnger | Terje: locate linux-version ? |
| 22:33.48 | liquidAnger | Terje: find / -name linux-* |
| 22:34.18 | sheffield | on the other hand, linux mint LMDE uses testing is all automagic. but can have small driver issues and such. |
| 22:34.30 | mtn | ponyofdeath: any one package will only be in non-free or main or contrib. can't be in two of them |
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| 22:34.51 | Terje_ | liquidAnger: Thanks, locate was able to quickly determine it was in the /usr/bin directory :) |
| 22:35.05 | liquidAnger | Terje: you welcome :) |
| 22:35.14 | jmcnaught | !unstable |
| 22:35.14 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 22:35.20 | ponyofdeath | is that possible tho like in the ubuntu case with universe/multiverse |
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| 22:35.44 | mtn | ponyofdeath: have no idea since debian does not such |
| 22:35.48 | mtn | not have |
| 22:35.55 | jmcnaught | ponyofdeath: what are you trying to do? the same package wouldn't exist in main and contrib/non-free at the same time |
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| 22:36.23 | ponyofdeath | jmcnaught: i just want to pin packages from main with much higher priority |
| 22:36.29 | ponyofdeath | how can i do that |
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| 22:36.57 | jmcnaught | ponyofdeath: are you mixing releases? i don't understand why you need to pin stuff in main. |
| 22:36.58 | liquidAnger | after update now upgrading 412MB to go... |
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| 22:37.38 | ponyofdeath | jmcnaught: i have other repos that have the same packages |
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| 22:38.06 | mtn | pono: what repos? quick making us guess what you are trying to do. |
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| 22:38.39 | ponyofdeath | mtn: sorry not trying to. Is it posible to pin packages based on main non-free contrib etc.. or not |
| 22:38.51 | mtn | ponyofdeath: no. no. and no. |
| 22:39.00 | ponyofdeath | mtn: ok thanks for you help |
| 22:39.07 | mtn | heh |
| 22:39.19 | jmcnaught | ponyofdeath: if you're mixing jessie/unstable repos with wheezy pinning is not going to prevent your system from breaking. it's going to end in tears. |
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| 22:40.34 | liquidAnger | what are you thinking about truecrypt status guys ? any cryptogeeks ? |
| 22:40.41 | jmcnaught | ponyofdeath: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html this chapter of the Debian reference covers pinning, and also talks about the risks. I recommend reading the whole chapter and not just skipping to the part about pinning. |
| 22:41.06 | ponyofdeath | jmcnaught: thanks! will do. |
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| 22:42.18 | joshh20 | Ok so the weirdest thing happened. For some reason my SSH keys no longer work to login to my root account |
| 22:42.25 | joshh20 | All of the other accounts works, except for root |
| 22:42.38 | joshh20 | I generated new keys, and wiped the .ssh folders to no avail |
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| 22:43.05 | mtn | ponyofdeath: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 22:43.13 | liquidAnger | im in progress in upgrading and before few min it asked me just that ? to disable or not root login |
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| 22:43.44 | joshh20 | Really? |
| 22:43.50 | liquidAnger | yep |
| 22:43.52 | joshh20 | I have no idea why this happened |
| 22:43.57 | liquidAnger | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726661 |
| 22:43.58 | joshh20 | Like it doesn't make sense lol |
| 22:44.12 | liquidAnger | google found this |
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| 22:45.00 | joshh20 | Yeah but I already have that set to yes unfortunately |
| 22:45.11 | cheapie | Does anybody happen to know roughly how much disk space it would take to mirror the entire repository for Debian 7? |
| 22:45.33 | liquidAnger | 6 DVD's i guess |
| 22:45.58 | cheapie | liquidAnger: So, roughly 30 GB? |
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| 22:46.07 | ckuehl | cheapie: what do you mean "repository"? just the package repos? |
| 22:46.14 | ckuehl | or also debian-cd? |
| 22:46.19 | cheapie | ckuehl: Just the packages. |
| 22:46.25 | liquidAnger | well complete debian wheezy install is 3 DVD's sorry |
| 22:46.27 | liquidAnger | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726661 |
| 22:46.33 | liquidAnger | nope wrong link sorry |
| 22:46.38 | liquidAnger | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 22:47.07 | ckuehl | cheapie: ckuehl@fallingrocks:/opt/mirrors/ftp$ du -hs debian \ 871Gdebian |
| 22:47.18 | ckuehl | that is not just wheezy though |
| 22:48.09 | cheapie | So, 500GB would definitely be enough for just wheezy amd64, right? |
| 22:48.15 | joshh20 | Yes |
| 22:48.16 | ckuehl | yes |
| 22:48.20 | cheapie | OK, sounds good. |
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| 22:48.39 | joshh20 | So I am getting this with the SSH key login |
| 22:48.41 | joshh20 | "Permission denied (publickey)" |
| 22:48.59 | liquidAnger | yep beacuse your disabled root login |
| 22:49.04 | liquidAnger | just login with user |
| 22:49.07 | liquidAnger | and then su |
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| 22:49.12 | joshh20 | Yes that worked |
| 22:49.22 | joshh20 | But according to the config I have not disabled root login |
| 22:49.29 | liquidAnger | hmm |
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| 22:49.59 | joshh20 | "PermitRootLogin yes" |
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| 22:50.09 | jmcnaught | joshh20: do you have password authentication disabled? Does root have the necessary SSH key in its authorized_keys? |
| 22:50.47 | joshh20 | Yes, I disabled password auth, and I added the keys to root the same exact way I added it to the other accounts and they work fine |
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| 22:52.22 | liquidAnger | how do you disable password login ? i want this too , force login with key |
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| 22:53.03 | joshh20 | liquidAnger, edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and about half way down there is a plaintext password option |
| 22:53.13 | joshh20 | Uncomment it and make sure it is set to no |
| 22:53.31 | jmcnaught | liquidAnger: also https://wiki.debian.org/SSH#Using_shared_keys |
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| 22:54.00 | liquidAnger | thank you |
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| 22:54.22 | jmcnaught | joshh20: if you can use from another user on the server, i would check root's authorized keys to make sure it's in there |
| 22:54.43 | liquidAnger | cant find anything with plaintext in the conf file |
| 22:54.57 | jmcnaught | liquidAnger: did you upgrade your desktop to unstable, or a server? |
| 22:55.09 | liquidAnger | server |
| 22:55.13 | joshh20 | liquidAnger, they call it clear text actually |
| 22:55.24 | jmcnaught | liquidAnger: that is literally insane |
| 22:55.34 | liquidAnger | nope its a vm |
| 22:55.42 | liquidAnger | i have only smokeping on it |
| 22:56.09 | liquidAnger | joshh20: nothing with cleartext or plaintext |
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| 22:56.42 | joshh20 | So this isn't in your config? |
| 22:56.44 | joshh20 | # Change to no to disable tunnelled clear text passwords |
| 22:56.44 | joshh20 | PasswordAuthentication no |
| 22:57.43 | liquidAnger | JohnDoh:im already set this to no, but still accepting password login |
| 22:58.34 | joshh20 | Oh did you do afterwards |
| 22:58.37 | joshh20 | service ssh restart |
| 22:58.57 | liquidAnger | yep |
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| 22:59.47 | liquidAnger | User: root |
| 22:59.49 | liquidAnger | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.49 | liquidAnger | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.49 | liquidAnger | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.49 | liquidAnger | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.49 | liquidAnger | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.49 | liquidAnger | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:59.52 | joshh20 | Lol |
| 23:00.03 | joshh20 | gg |
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| 23:00.32 | joshh20 | I appreciate your help guys, but this is a very weird issue |
| 23:00.42 | joshh20 | Guess I will have to go back to using passwords |
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| 23:01.14 | jmcnaught | joshh20: did you investigate /root/.ssh/authorized_keys? |
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| 23:02.44 | liquidAnger | just pasted my archey here and server kicked my sorrry |
| 23:03.01 | liquidAnger | upgrade was succesfull nothing is broken |
| 23:04.34 | jmcnaught | liquidAnger: stuff breaks in unstable. read the faq i linked you to, you should also install apt-listbugs. when doing dist-upgrades pay attention to what it wants to remove before hitting yes |
| 23:05.23 | liquidAnger | jmcnaught: ok, just i wanted to try, i have nothing too importand ot that vm |
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| 23:05.49 | liquidAnger | tommorrow i will try the newest kernel :D |
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| 23:06.18 | jmcnaught | liquidAnger: cool. doesn't hurt that much to read about it though right? And keep in mind unstable's not a "rolling release" like arch or gentoo, it's a development branch |
| 23:06.38 | sheffield | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:06.43 | liquidAnger | jmcnaught: yes ,right |
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| 23:06.53 | joshh20 | jmcnaught yes I checked it, and used grep to confirm that is was accurate, I used the exact method on all other accounts, it is just weird and won't let me use keys with root |
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| 23:07.28 | liquidAnger | so what are you guys using to encrypt your stuff ? |
| 23:07.39 | jmcnaught | joshh20: instead of enabling passwords i would consider just using su or sudo |
| 23:07.41 | sheffield | is there someone named grep on the channel? (recorded laughs ! !!) |
| 23:07.43 | liquidAnger | im reading for ecryptfs right now |
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| 23:08.40 | liquidAnger | sheffield: no , how i know, typd gre and pressed tab key nothing .. |
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| 23:26.25 | Asuran | hi, i trying to get gcc 4.9 from jessie on wheezy 7.6 but apt-get -t wheezy-backports just gives gcc4.7 back, why? |
| 23:26.43 | mtn | Asuran: apt-get update first? |
| 23:26.56 | Asuran | im sure i did but i try again |
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| 23:28.18 | heurist | Asuran: wheezy-backports is not jessie. |
| 23:28.19 | Asuran | nope still the same |
| 23:28.29 | jmcnaught | Asuran: I don't think gcc 4.9 is in wheezy-backports |
| 23:28.31 | Asuran | what then? |
| 23:28.38 | Asuran | i dont understand that logic |
| 23:28.39 | mtn | heurist: yikes, I sure missed that |
| 23:28.51 | Asuran | i thought wheezy backports would be from testing (jessie) |
| 23:28.54 | heurist | dpkg: tell Asuran about frankendebian |
| 23:28.56 | Terje_ | Is there a terminal command that will allow me to confirm that GNOME3 launched correctly and not in fallback mode? |
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| 23:29.37 | mtn | Terje_: the screen will be different if in fallback. more like gnome2 |
| 23:29.45 | jmcnaught | Asuran: wheezy-backports has some stuff from Jessie backported to Wheezy, but not everything. You could install Jessie in a chroot if you need it, or upgrade to Jessie entirely (but keep in mind it's not finished yet and prone to breaking) |
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| 23:30.11 | Asuran | jmcnaught: already tryed it, yea its breaking sshd install wont work |
| 23:30.30 | jmcnaught | Asuran: already tried what? a chroot? |
| 23:30.37 | Asuran | entirely update |
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| 23:30.41 | Asuran | dist-upgrade |
| 23:30.56 | Asuran | serveral times, had to reinstall image |
| 23:31.08 | Terje_ | mtn: I previously got an error saying gnome started in fallback mode. I've installed proprietary drivers for my nvidia gpu, and now i dont receive the message. However, the screen is pretty much the same (i can't tell the difference) |
| 23:31.12 | jmcnaught | Asuran: well like I said Jessie's not finished yet. It's a development branch. Were you trying to mix Wheezy and Jessie? That would be bad. |
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| 23:31.23 | Asuran | just some packages |
| 23:31.29 | Asuran | i just want up2date packages |
| 23:31.36 | Asuran | nothing else |
| 23:31.44 | jmcnaught | Asuran: yeah that's not a good idea. Did you read the frankendebian message from dpkg bot? |
| 23:31.48 | Asuran | yes |
| 23:32.01 | Asuran | it makes some sense what the bot wrote |
| 23:32.03 | Asuran | nvm |
| 23:32.11 | Asuran | what can i do then? |
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| 23:32.21 | Asuran | change distro? |
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| 23:32.29 | jmcnaught | Asuran: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian also you could install Jessie in a chroot using these instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot |
| 23:32.38 | Asuran | hmm |
| 23:32.43 | Asuran | sounds intresting |
| 23:33.04 | mtn | Asuran: if you really want newer packages all the time, most likely debian is not for you |
| 23:33.17 | Asuran | hmm |
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| 23:33.31 | Asuran | i just want some, for example idc if contab is latest version |
| 23:33.37 | Asuran | but gcc or kernel for sure |
| 23:33.43 | Asuran | especially gcc |
| 23:33.46 | mtn | Asuran: especially if you don't like fixing broken things ;) |
| 23:33.57 | Asuran | if i could maybe i would |
| 23:34.07 | Asuran | my c knowledge is very theoretical |
| 23:34.29 | Asuran | and not really a knowledge *hehe* |
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| 23:35.12 | jmcnaught | Asuran: i prefer versions that work and are well tested and bug fixed to the latest versions myself. Some people use Jessie or Unstable on their desktops, but it's full of caveats.. stuff breaks. All weekend people who didn't pay enough attention in Jessie had their video drivers break for example. |
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| 23:35.18 | Ponyo | Hi there, does anyone know of a meta package that would give me something like a router in a box with a web interface similar to openwrt? |
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| 23:35.35 | Asuran | hmm |
| 23:35.37 | peter_ | hi, i am using debian wheezy. i want to use the source code browser plugin in gedit but when i try to activate it there comes an error symbol. anyone know what i can do, or where the error logs of gedit are where i can see wat the problem is? |
| 23:35.42 | Asuran | yea okay maybe youre right about this |
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| 23:36.31 | jmcnaught | peter_: try running gedit from a terminal |
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| 23:37.25 | sheffield | Ponyo: you can get a Virtualbox VM with openwrt, for instance :) |
| 23:37.30 | peter_ | thank you |
| 23:37.37 | Asuran | i guess i give centos a try again |
| 23:37.39 | Ponyo | i can't this is ARM |
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| 23:38.03 | Ponyo | I can compile openwrt from scratch, but i'd rather not do it |
| 23:38.07 | Asuran | youre using wheezy for desktop? |
| 23:38.39 | sheffield | I would use a Pentium 2 computer.. |
| 23:38.48 | Ponyo | doesn't fit in the box |
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| 23:39.21 | jmcnaught | Asuran: I use Wheezy on my desktop. Is there some functionality you're missing from the newer gcc, or you just like chasing version numbers? ;) I've also got a Jessie chroot, but I don't really use it for anything. Newer kernels are available in wheezy-backports |
| 23:40.01 | Asuran | well i read something about 4.8.2 gcc and i hope they improved the code generation "problems" in 4.9 a bit |
| 23:40.27 | sheffield | fits in micro ATX, but maybe you want smaller.. There is Geode and Alix stuff. Or ARM with multiple network interfaces, but that is recent stuff. |
| 23:40.32 | Ponyo | 8"x8"x2" box with antenna, radio, sbc and poe breakout...... |
| 23:40.36 | Asuran | and i like improvements especially at compiler |
| 23:40.42 | Asuran | even its little |
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| 23:40.54 | Asuran | and yea im chasing verisons :D |
| 23:41.01 | sheffield | Ponyo : is that like a ubiquity router |
| 23:41.36 | Ponyo | cracked out ubiquity router |
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| 23:42.14 | sheffield | what do you mean by cracking out ubiquity router? |
| 23:43.33 | Ponyo | sheffield: check your pm's it's too offtopic for here |
| 23:43.35 | jmcnaught | Asuran: sounds kind of vague, but do what you want. Debian focuses more on software working reliably than having the most recent versions. You can always run Wheezy and then have Jessie in a chroot or a VM if you want. Mixing releases (stable+testing or unstable) is a bad idea though. |
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| 23:45.09 | Asuran | what about installing software without apt? bad idea too right? |
| 23:45.26 | Asuran | its about nginx, the version provided on wheezy is way too old |
| 23:45.39 | Ponyo | use the dotdeb repos |
| 23:45.45 | Ponyo | or the nginx deb repos |
| 23:46.24 | Ponyo | http://wiki.nginx.org/Install |
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| 23:47.09 | peter_ | i get an error: Could not find loader 'python3' for plugin 'sourcecodebrowser'. so i installed python3 but still get the error what does the error mean? |
| 23:47.17 | Ponyo | http://www.dotdeb.org/ |
| 23:47.35 | Asuran | yea thanks Ponyo |
| 23:47.44 | Ponyo | np |
| 23:47.52 | Asuran | seems ok for nginx |
| 23:48.00 | Ponyo | Asuran: anything you want to install, usually has a debian repo somewhere |
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| 23:48.09 | Asuran | gcc too? :D |
| 23:48.12 | Ponyo | however, if you can't find one, making deb packages are very easy too |
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| 23:48.30 | Asuran | yea i remember it provides easy tools and tutorials for that purpose |
| 23:48.31 | Ponyo | Asuran: absolutely apt-get install build-essential |
| 23:49.28 | jmcnaught | ugghh.. don't recommend the dotdeb repos here please |
| 23:49.36 | Ponyo | they've worked for me for years |
| 23:49.42 | jmcnaught | they're not supported here, and have been known to break people's systems |
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| 23:50.38 | jmcnaught | Asuran: installing software only from apt is what's recommended. If you do compile stuff from source, look into using GNU Stow or learn how to make your own packages. nginx is also in wheezy-backports i believe |
| 23:51.13 | Absalom | anyway I can install all my drivers at once? I thought this was posible with synaptic but can't seem to find it... |
| 23:52.09 | jmcnaught | Absalom: what drivers do you need to install? Do you mean firmwares? |
| 23:52.48 | Asuran | i begin to think that _maybe_ linux from scratch would be easier for having up2date software |
| 23:53.18 | Asuran | really now i see why people like emerge |
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| 23:54.01 | mhoney | iolinux is nice |
| 23:54.09 | Asuran | idk that |
| 23:54.17 | jmcnaught | Asuran: the advantage of using the packages provided by Debian is that you'll be able to upgrade in the future. When you use third party repos and a year or two from now you're upgrading your production server from Wheezy to Jessie, it's going to go a lot smoother if you have only Debian packages without third-party stuff mixed in |
| 23:54.32 | Asuran | yea thats right |
| 23:54.42 | jmcnaught | Absalom: keep it in the channel please, that way people can correct me when i'm wrong :) |
| 23:55.27 | Absalom | sorry, I can't seem to get my network manager working with my wifi, thought this might be a driver problem |
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| 23:55.59 | peter_ | now i found a similar bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit-source-code-browser-plugin/+bug/1242126 and the provide a patch, but i dont know how to deal with that patch file |
| 23:56.49 | jmcnaught | Absalom: what do you get from the command "lspci -nn | grep Network" ? |
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| 23:57.06 | mhoney | a 10mill prize ;) |
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