| 00:00.00 | Absalom | 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 130 [8086:0896] (rev 34) |
| 00:00.17 | jmcnaught | ,pciid 8086:0896 |
| 00:00.18 | judd | [8086:0896] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 130' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0896 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 00:00.55 | jmcnaught | Absalom: you need the package firmware-iwlwifi which is in the non-free repository |
| 00:01.41 | jmcnaught | Absalom: that message from judd above ^^^ has a debian wiki link with further instructions |
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| 00:01.51 | Absalom | thanks |
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| 00:07.18 | Asuran | ha its working |
| 00:07.42 | Asuran | that was easy thanks to you guys :D |
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| 00:14.19 | peter_ | ok the patch skript doesnt work. is there a way to install gedit >3.8 on wheezy i have 3.4 running. or is it a bad idea? if not how do i do it? |
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| 00:16.29 | nkuttler | ,v gedit |
| 00:16.30 | judd | Package: gedit on i386 -- squeeze: 2.30.4-1squeeze1; wheezy: 3.4.2-1; jessie: 3.12.1-1+b1; sid: 3.12.1-1+b1 |
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| 00:16.43 | abrotman | peter__: bad idea |
| 00:16.49 | nkuttler | ,checkbackport gedit |
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| 00:18.22 | jmcnaught | peter__: does the error happen all the time? I tried the gedit plugin and didn't get any errors. Could you put the errors in a paste on http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
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| 00:21.23 | peter__ | yes error comes all the time. here is the error http://paste.debian.net/110878/ |
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| 00:24.01 | Absalom | Wifi works, thanks guys |
| 00:24.17 | deepblue | how to get the download link of a you tube video to use with the wget -o command? |
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| 00:24.53 | nf7 | I would like to get a desktop environment onto my Debian machine. Is GNOME my only choice? I only really have the ability to use an apt-get command. |
| 00:25.12 | jmcnaught | peter__: strange. i still don't get an error like that. Are you working with python 3 files or some other language? |
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| 00:26.16 | peter__ | i dont really understand what you mean with 'working with', my goal is to edit php files |
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| 00:27.06 | jmcnaught | peter__: "working with" i meant "editing". Maybe you need to install python3? |
| 00:27.36 | Absalom | you can install xfce with just apt-get |
| 00:28.10 | nkuttler | peter__: you need a more recent gedit to edit php files? why? |
| 00:28.19 | judd | Backporting package gedit in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.39.5), libgtk-3-dev (>= 3.11.6), libgtksourceview-3.0-dev (>= 3.11.2), libpeas-dev (>= 1.7.0), valac (>= 0.24) | valac-0.24. |
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| 00:28.34 | nkuttler | wow.. |
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| 00:29.06 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Absalom -about install xfce |
| 00:29.08 | nkuttler | peter__: so, backporting gedit won't work either |
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| 00:30.12 | peter__ | ok, yes i installed python3 after i saw the error the first time but i didnt install any python3-* stuff. do i need to restart after the installation? i thought maybe a more recent gedit will work with the plugin |
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| 00:30.49 | jmcnaught | peter__: did you install the plugin with the Debian package? |
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| 00:32.05 | nf7 | tell nf7 -about install xfce |
| 00:32.06 | peter__ | first i installed it with gmate, as it didnt work i installed the debian package |
| 00:33.19 | abrotman | peter__: why not use bluefish or anjuta? |
| 00:34.15 | jmcnaught | peter__: i suspect that has something to do wit it. It's working fine for me and I installed the Debian package without doing gmate first. Perhaps gmate is still on your system interfering with the debian package. Always try the Debian package first, and only stray if you really need to and know what you're doing :) |
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| 00:39.27 | homecable | any one good at openbox |
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| 00:39.54 | peter__ | ok thanks for the advice. the gmate came with a install.sh . so how do i uninstall it? my idea to uninstall the gmate is to look into that install.sh file and remove the files it created |
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| 00:41.06 | nkuttler | homecable: people in #openbox? |
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| 00:41.47 | nkuttler | homecable: actually, they are on oftc |
| 00:41.51 | peter__ | @abrotman i used gedit because its default and i liked it until now. but thanks i will have a look at these two if i fail on repairing gedit |
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| 00:42.31 | nf7 | peter__: Why do you want gedit so badly in particular? |
| 00:42.57 | addaitech | sublime text > gedit :P |
| 00:43.41 | nf7 | addaitech: there |
| 00:43.50 | nf7 | addaitech: are about a million editors better than gedit |
| 00:43.51 | jmcnaught | peter__: you'd have to ask gmate for instructions on removing it, or look in the install.sh like you suggested. Another reason to stick to Debian packages :) Personally I like vim. It's worth the bit of time it will take to learn. emacs is also good. |
| 00:44.10 | nf7 | peter__: Yes, Vim and Emacs will serve you MUCH better in the long run. |
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| 00:47.50 | peter__ | i started migrating to linux just one year before, so i started with the default editor on debian. but it seems that gedit is not that popular here. i used vim on an raspberry but it feels like it is more for the expert. but i think you convinced me to try emacs or that bluefish thing? thanks |
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| 00:57.12 | homecable | any one have an acer one 725 ? |
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| 00:57.56 | abrotman | homecable: how is that important? |
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| 00:58.07 | homecable | debian run well on it ? |
| 00:58.30 | abrotman | try it and see? |
| 00:58.31 | aguitel | homecable: i am running arch there and win 7 |
| 00:58.48 | homecable | ah |
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| 00:59.27 | aguitel | homecable: only arch right now |
| 00:59.37 | homecable | does it run decent ? |
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| 01:01.39 | peter__ | ok just changing the editor wont help much, there are other problems, like i cant open a file on a smb: with emacs. maybe i should install ubuntu the appel from linux world, but thank you all for your help by the way ctrl+c ctrl+v seem not to work in emacs |
| 01:01.52 | aguitel | homecable: debian work in legacy mode |
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| 01:03.29 | jmcnaught | peter__: vim and emacs both have very different keyboard shortcuts from the CUA style that you might be familiar with. Learning one of them is probably still worth it though. Or checkout bluefish or anjuta. |
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| 01:05.58 | peter__ | yes i think learning is the keyword for me now |
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| 01:06.31 | abrotman | peter__: Really, look at Anjuta or Bluefish, they both do PHP files |
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| 01:10.06 | peter__ | ok i think i will try bluefish next emacs and vim might be more for the software developer i will use the programming more in an engineer way. so the next time i will have some questions about that. |
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| 01:10.52 | abrotman | peter__: Another popular one is Eclipse |
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| 01:12.58 | dvs | ay |
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| 01:13.28 | abrotman | a week later .. |
| 01:13.52 | dvs | but the release email said "7.5"! |
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| 01:58.06 | hanasaki | ifconfig eth0:0 1.2.3.4 works adding eth0:0 to /etc/networking/interfaces and ifup eth0:0 says no such device how can the 2nd option be made to work? |
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| 01:59.30 | heurist | hanasaki: it should work, pastebin your interfaces file. |
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| 02:08.55 | hanasaki | heurist: http://pastebin.com/LJ9sSqq3 |
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| 02:11.30 | heurist | hanasaki: your dhcp server will not be able to give seperate addresses to those interfaces, doing it statically would be simpler. Else you will need to delve into deep voodoo to get them to look like different devices to dhcp. |
| 02:11.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps whats the package do i need to mount samba share with mount and fstab i cant remember help |
| 02:12.03 | heurist | Eryn_1983_FL: cifs-utils |
| 02:12.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | ty |
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| 02:13.14 | hanasaki | heurist: I wanted dhcp with reverse ddns so it self configures on all interfaces |
| 02:13.19 | hanasaki | heurist: ideas? |
| 02:13.58 | abrotman | hanasaki: also, you'd have to do all sorts of other things relating to DHCP and your default route |
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| 02:14.26 | heurist | hanasaki: dhcp identifies the interface by its mac address, you may be able to set different mac addresses on virtual interfaces but I have never seen it done. |
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| 02:14.48 | hanasaki | bummer ... so its manual and static IPs? |
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| 02:15.06 | heurist | hanasaki: read though the whole page it might help: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface |
| 02:15.39 | heurist | hanasaki: report back if you get mac set on virtual interfaces, I am now curious. |
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| 02:15.58 | hanasaki | heurist: found something about using vlans... |
| 02:16.04 | hanasaki | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-configure-linux-virtual-local-area-network-vlan.html |
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| 02:16.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | still getting a weird error |
| 02:16.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | 'll deal with it tomorrow |
| 02:16.55 | hanasaki | you are right.. voodoo |
| 02:17.01 | OldParr | any one knows how to configure KB 110X genius keyboard ? |
| 02:17.06 | hanasaki | I need ot make time for this later :( |
| 02:17.08 | abrotman | plug it in ? |
| 02:17.24 | heurist | hanasaki: yeah, and vlans are probably not what you are looking for, not from what you have said so far. |
| 02:18.14 | heurist | hanasaki: go static, on the dns too for this machine. |
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| 02:24.19 | OldParr | please somebody that has configured KB-110X Genius Keyboard |
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| 02:27.46 | abrotman | OldParr: what doesan't work about it? |
| 02:27.54 | abrotman | You can't just take silly polls like that |
| 02:28.14 | OldParr | sorry |
| 02:28.50 | OldParr | i can not find it on the keyboard dialog |
| 02:29.20 | _unreal_ | installing debian right now. looking for some in-site. I have an athlon x64 3400+, with 3 gigs ram. MANY TB of storage. I'm looking to turn it into a media SERVER. I'm installing debian 7.6 currently. what would you guys suggest be my first place to start. I'm looking to use this computer as a MEDIA (movies!!! and music) server on the local network to any computer or media capable device in the house on the network. |
| 02:29.48 | abrotman | OldParr: on what dialog? stop being vague |
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| 02:30.53 | DanDare | _unreal_, for music, I really like MPD |
| 02:31.05 | jmcnaught | _unreal_: one you have it Debian installed you could install samba to share with Windows computers on the local network. If you have stuff like game consoles or set-top boxes, you might check out minidlna. |
| 02:31.09 | hanasaki | heurist: can I priv msg you? |
| 02:31.10 | OldParr | abrotman: in xfce application menu ---> configuration --> keyboard |
| 02:31.15 | chenchacha | hello, I use scilab in my computer, it's the mipsel architecture. but when running I the scilab-adv-cli, it said "not found /usr/lib/jum/default-java/jre/lib/i686", I ln the mipsel to i686, the error is "Error: libjvm.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory " |
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| 02:31.37 | _unreal_ | minidlna |
| 02:31.38 | _unreal_ | hum |
| 02:31.39 | heurist | hanasaki: if it realted to a channel I am in ask the channel rather. |
| 02:31.41 | chenchacha | the package error? |
| 02:31.45 | hanasaki | so I set |
| 02:31.48 | hanasaki | auto eth0.0 |
| 02:31.48 | hanasaki | iface eth0.0 inet dhcp |
| 02:31.48 | _unreal_ | I dont really have any windows computers in the house |
| 02:31.48 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.57 | DanDare | _unreal_, MPD + ampache |
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| 02:32.10 | hanasaki | the dhcp server sends back an IP but the client does not assign it |
| 02:32.13 | _unreal_ | mpd plus ampache? googling |
| 02:33.04 | abrotman | OldParr: so pick something similar |
| 02:33.08 | heurist | hanasaki: eth0.0 is not the same as eth0:0 |
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| 02:34.03 | themill | chenchacha: which version of scilab is this (which release of debian?) |
| 02:34.11 | OldParr | abrotman: i have chosen every genius i see in there but i see no changes, i do not know why maybe i have to restart something about the keyboard |
| 02:34.43 | hanasaki | heurist: I know. and I am still learning :) |
| 02:34.44 | abrotman | OldParr: or perhaps choose a basic keyboard? |
| 02:35.14 | DanDare | well, Debian 7 has "ampache-themes" but dont have ampache itself :/ |
| 02:35.31 | chenchacha | themill: scilab-5.3.3 |
| 02:35.32 | OldParr | abrotman: may be a basic one, but, restarting something is needed ? |
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| 02:35.38 | themill | DanDare: it's in backports |
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| 02:35.42 | abrotman | OldParr: how about just try it? |
| 02:35.46 | chenchacha | themill: my debian is 7.5 |
| 02:35.56 | DanDare | themill, oh cool. Thanks |
| 02:36.17 | OldParr | abrotman: do you know how to restart the keyboard ? |
| 02:37.05 | jmcnaught | DanDare: ampache is in wheezy-backports |
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| 02:37.29 | DanDare | jmcnaught, why some stuff are on backports but not on normal setup ? |
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| 02:38.00 | jmcnaught | DanDare: probably because the package didn't make it into Wheezy due to a bug |
| 02:38.06 | DanDare | I see |
| 02:38.24 | DanDare | or security flaw |
| 02:38.27 | abrotman | OldParr: when all else fails ? |
| 02:38.37 | DanDare | I remember Debian had Webmin in the past |
| 02:38.41 | themill | chenchacha: do you have JAVA_HOME set? |
| 02:38.44 | DanDare | webmin is cool :) |
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| 02:39.05 | OldParr | abrotman: maybe a basic one can approximate the keyboard distribution |
| 02:39.08 | _unreal_ | jmcnaught, and DanDare do you supose the specs I posted about the computer I'm building will do on the fly transcoding all right? |
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| 02:39.24 | DanDare | _unreal_, sorry.. I lost that part |
| 02:39.42 | _unreal_ | athlon x64 3400+, with 3 gigs ram. MANY TB of storage. |
| 02:39.44 | zykotick9 | !tell DanDare about webmin |
| 02:40.14 | _unreal_ | I forget what ATI video card it has |
| 02:40.18 | chenchacha | themill: the java is openjdk-6-jre from apt-get, it still set JAVA_HOME manual? |
| 02:40.24 | _unreal_ | x1050? |
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| 02:41.38 | DanDare | _unreal_, a trick is store the music in the format it will be streamed, thus, not doing on the fly transcoding (< 1% CPU). But then, I think MPD cant do that. Shoutcast can do it, if you just need some audio streamer |
| 02:42.05 | themill | chenchacha: making that symlink was definitely not the right thing to do so you can remove that. Unfortunately scilab-adv-cli is 1000 lines of spaghetti shell... |
| 02:42.16 | _unreal_ | all of my audio is in mp3 or flac |
| 02:42.26 | DanDare | zykotick9, yeah, I know bad Webmin reputation. Sometimes I use it, start service, do something and shut off service. I never leave it ON |
| 02:42.34 | themill | chenchacha: could you pastebin all of "sh -x /usr/bin/scilab-adv-cli" |
| 02:43.20 | OldParr | abrotman: i am going to reeboot because i do not know hot to restart the keyboard, thank you |
| 02:43.25 | _unreal_ | all my movies are dvd's I've purchased over the years. I'm not sure what format to rip them to. to put on the server some day |
| 02:44.07 | DanDare | _unreal_, i have 0 experience serving video |
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| 02:44.43 | _unreal_ | i'm hopping to serve movies to my media pc I'm building. and to any game console that can except local media streams |
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| 02:46.14 | chenchacha | themill: it's so many |
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| 02:47.07 | chenchacha | themill: it's a script, i see... |
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| 02:48.19 | chenchacha | themill: I can see JRE_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/default-java/jre from output |
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| 02:48.54 | _unreal_ | heh in OCT. I moved from maine to florida, I got rid of almost all of my dvd cases. was amazing I filled 3 60 gallon trash cans just with the outside covers for dvd's |
| 02:48.58 | _unreal_ | had to loose the weight |
| 02:50.33 | homecable | i used an atom d510 1.6ghz to transcode and it did fine |
| 02:50.46 | homecable | so that cpu u have would do just fine |
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| 02:50.58 | _unreal_ | transcode on the fly? or just in general? |
| 02:51.20 | homecable | transcode video and audio on the fly |
| 02:51.35 | _unreal_ | ok.... what base format would you suggest I put video in? |
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| 02:52.00 | homecable | blueray or plane dvds |
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| 02:54.35 | abrotman | boggles .. |
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| 03:01.07 | OldParr | abrotman: i need to restart the keyboard-setup service but the wiki do not explain how |
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| 03:05.59 | MO_Handes | are the latest available jessie iso dvds shipped with xfce or gnome3 by default? |
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| 03:07.22 | oxez | If I build my own kernel, will packages like nvidia-drivers update themselves correctly with this new kernel automatically? |
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| 03:24.27 | sheffield | oxez : maybe it is best then to get the package (NVIDIA-blah.run script) from nvidia's web site then run it. It does have a -K switch to rebuild the kernel module without reinstalling the driver :). you can check --help and /usr/share/doc too. |
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| 03:28.35 | jmcnaught | oxez: instead of running the nvidia driver installer script (which is generally not recommended on Debian), you should look into DKMS which is how the nvidia packages are built. I believe it is triggered by hooks in /etc/kernel but I don't use and DKMS packages my self. Also refer to the Debian Kernel Handbook which has a chapter about hooks: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-update-hooks.html |
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| 03:29.32 | oxez | jmcnaught: this looks like a better solution, I was already reading that page :) thanks |
| 03:30.08 | oxez | I want to avoid having stuff installed that is not managed with apt/dpkg |
| 03:30.15 | jmcnaught | oxez: good thinking :) |
| 03:31.48 | jmcnaught | sheffield: we don't recommend the nvidia installer script because it has a tendency to conflict with packages and break every time there's a kernel update. You might be interested in https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 03:31.48 | sheffield | jmcnaught: I wondered if the nvidia driver uses DKMS infrastructure.. |
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| 03:32.22 | jmcnaught | sheffield: the nvidia packages from the Debian repos use DKMS, but not the installer from the website |
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| 03:35.21 | sheffield | jmcnaught: what about the "Driver Manager" found in mint 16 and 17? it looks elegant. but should be the same than using debian package. |
| 03:36.19 | themill | chenchacha: I was hoping you'd copy and paste the entire output to a pastebin for me |
| 03:36.23 | sheffield | If I don't get something wrong.. actually ubuntu made such a transition, if you will. |
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| 03:37.14 | sheffield | I now use nouveau driver, but I have an old card from 2006. |
| 03:37.54 | jmcnaught | sheffield: I imagine that Mint's "Driver Manager" is just a front end for installing packages similar to the Debian ones that use DKMS. I've never used Mint though, and I also generally don't like helping people install proprietary video drivers but it is easy enough to do on Debian. |
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| 03:40.11 | sheffield | sometimes, especially years ago it was just easier to use the nvidia script (if we can call a 50MB or 100MB file a script) |
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| 03:41.28 | jmcnaught | sheffield: i think it's still easy to install those scripts. updating them and dealing with the conflicts they cause is another matter. Better to always use the packages, and not to recommend the scripts in here :) |
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| 03:47.27 | jmcnaught | sheffield: well please don't recommend it here |
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| 03:55.31 | themill | MO_Handes: the jessie installer images are for testing the installer not installing testing. There isn't really a default in any case... this is Debian... you get the packages you choose. |
| 03:57.32 | MO_Handes | can compiz be instaled on gnome3? |
| 03:57.42 | sheffield | hi MO_Handes, I don't think it has changed? |
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| 03:58.36 | themill | MO_Handes: compiz is long since dead and every other window manager out there has the same (or better) features anyway |
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| 03:59.43 | sheffield | let me think.. compiz is what's behind the Unity desktop if I remember correctly, it could be used with gnome 2, mate, lxde etc. |
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| 04:00.28 | sheffield | themill, is compiz really deprecated or it's just old and still working |
| 04:01.37 | MO_Handes | the former iso images of jessie installed gnome3 when you choose Desktop Environment in tasksel, the new ones seem to be xfce? |
| 04:03.33 | uforek | i did a jessie netinst and the desktop env was xfce for me. |
| 04:03.40 | Guest53406 | what the reason why vim (wheezy) highlights all lines when editing a file and not only the uncommented ones ? |
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| 04:04.22 | jmcnaught | as mentioned above, the jessie installer images are for testing the installer. The recommended way of installing Jessie is to upgrade from Wheezy (if you're going to install it at all) |
| 04:04.34 | themill | sheffield: compiz is no longer in debian |
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| 04:05.24 | sheffield | I've ever user the net install or PXE install and there was a choice or just going CLI only and then apt-get install a desktop.. same thing with ubuntu actually. (or I used debian lxde or mint) |
| 04:05.34 | jmcnaught | also with the Debian Installer at the boot prompt you can go to "advanced options" and pick which desktop will be installed. Or use "desktop=gnome" for example on the installer's boot prompt command line |
| 04:05.37 | sheffield | themill: thanks |
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| 04:06.47 | sheffield | I never got into compiz though really. you need the graphics card to work well. seen it work on old junk. . |
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| 04:07.43 | uforek | anyone have uefi problems with jessie? |
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| 04:09.20 | sheffield | I think that for a "3D accelerated desktop" we'll get there with Wayland. (and I'm not even afraid of it, there will still be Xorg and whatever) |
| 04:09.29 | terabit | jessie? |
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| 04:10.28 | sheffield | uforek, do you have problem with a dual boot? or a single OS with jessie |
| 04:11.34 | uforek | . |
| 04:11.52 | uforek | single os, sheffield. |
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| 04:13.17 | uforek | after the initial install, was hanging on loading initrd. a hard reboot usually "cured" that problem. |
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| 04:15.37 | sheffield | uforek I had trouble with a UEFI too. different from BIOS and troublesome. also, changing from MBR to GPT partition scheme. It's almost like we're not using an IBM PC anymore. |
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| 04:19.10 | uforek | i hear ya. i was pretty =( that i couldnt figure it out. |
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| 04:35.09 | sheffield | there was something about having a /boot/uefi/crap partition or directory. you can easily find about it. on the PC I tried to deal with, I couldn't get ubuntu 14.04 and mint 17 to interoperate! (just be there and dual boot). It was a GPT hard drive with eight primary partitions. And when I tried Windows 7 it crapped over itself (that's a microsoft "conspiracy"). Win 7 is too dumb and the motherboard couldn't seem to boot from a "UEFI" USB or DVD drive eit |
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| 04:37.02 | sheffield | uforek : if you don't need many partitions (up to four) you can maybe go into firmware/UEFI menu and enable old BIOS emulation. |
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| 05:09.13 | uforek | yeah, i originally had only 3 primaries, the efi part, /, and swap (which i deleted due to having an ssd and plenty of ram). |
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| 05:09.56 | uforek | if i remember correctly, when i was dual booting windows -- windows handled the boot partition fine and mapped the partitions correctly for everything else (wheezy) |
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| 05:11.57 | uforek | theres also this video card problem where i'll get black screens if i graphic boot due to having a naughty gfx module. had to pass nomodeset to the kernel |
| 05:12.31 | uforek | installing the proprietary gfx drivers fixed the video problems though, if i remember correctly. |
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| 05:51.00 | Zipf | Hi there. i've been moving data from my windows desktop to my debian for the last 24h, but i don't know why, vnstat don't show me any of this trasfer, ive moved like 2.2tb and vnstat show me like 10.7gb |
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| 05:51.24 | Zipf | the computer has 2 nic, 1 onboard, and 1 gbit pci, where it's connected |
| 05:51.52 | Zipf | the ethernet cable is connected on the gbit pci nic |
| 05:53.56 | Abhijit | Zipf, did you setup vnstat for the first time properly? what did you do? |
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| 05:54.22 | Zipf | http://paste.debian.net/110901/ |
| 05:54.44 | Zipf | i believe ive set it correct, ive followed a tutorial |
| 05:54.51 | Zipf | i believe i can't post the link in here |
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| 05:55.16 | Zipf | ntop get the statics properly |
| 05:55.33 | jaami | how to changescreen refresh rate of desktop sharing? |
| 05:56.50 | jaami | sorry to borher but really, that slow refresh rate is killing me |
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| 05:58.21 | jaami | please suggest something to decrease the refresh rate |
| 05:59.19 | jaami | can i get a quick response from any side |
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| 05:59.59 | jaami | debian desktop sharing do not refresh screen with mouse move |
| 06:01.05 | jmcnaught | jaami: not sure which desktop sharing you're talking about. "Remote Desktop Viewer" aka Vinagre in Gnome? You could try adjusting the settings, maybe a lower colour depth. Or try a different VNC client. |
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| 06:03.44 | jaami | for example i shared my desktop and using client on tablet. there on tablet i cannot see a message poped on desktop imhave to wait 5 to 10 seconds |
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| 06:04.24 | jaami | after that much delay i see the change on my tablet |
| 06:04.42 | jaami | debian does not send new state over the sharing system |
| 06:05.15 | jaami | i dont know how to explain it with proper terms but i will try |
| 06:06.08 | jmcnaught | jaami: maybe try a different VNC client on your tablet. It could be a slow network too. There are other VNC servers for Debian, I assume you're talking about the "Remote Sharing" aka Vino in Gnome |
| 06:06.12 | jaami | the problem is not with popped up message only, ievery thing changed on desktop does not get refreshed on client side |
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| 06:07.00 | jaami | yes, i used 4, 5 clients, all have the same issue. so i think its debian that does not send the new screen back to client |
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| 06:07.29 | jmcnaught | jaami: check https://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer it has a list of VNC 'server side" alternatives to vino |
| 06:07.52 | jaami | oh you got my point, the vino is the issue |
| 06:08.29 | jaami | is there any suggestion for a free one , the best? |
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| 06:10.21 | Zipf | maybe i should try "re-install" vnstat to see if i can fix the issue ? |
| 06:10.44 | jmcnaught | jaami: vino might be the issue. I don't use VNC very often, so unfortunately I don't know which to recommend. Maybe start checking them out and reading about them, or wait to see if anyone else has a better suggestion. |
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| 06:11.29 | jmcnaught | Zipf: I don't know if that would fix your issue, but generally with Debian packages reinstalling them doesn't effect configuration. Usually "dpkg-reconfigure $package" is what you want instead. |
| 06:11.35 | jaami | thank you so much. a little help sometime work a lot |
| 06:12.30 | Zipf | like dpkg-reconfigure $vnstat ? |
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| 06:13.20 | jaami | does any one know what site is used to see alternative linux apps? |
| 06:13.46 | jmcnaught | Zipf: well, without the $ |
| 06:14.08 | glukt | jaami: search engine? |
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| 06:14.33 | jaami | i am looking for a site like alternativeto.com |
| 06:14.52 | jaami | but for linux apps |
| 06:15.28 | jmcnaught | jaami: what's wrong with list of VNC servers on the wiki page? |
| 06:15.40 | jaami | oh, did i miss that |
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| 06:16.08 | jaami | damn, hahah, sorry missed the link you gave |
| 06:16.58 | jaami | thanks again |
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| 06:20.20 | jaami | i am not using kde and virtual networking |
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| 06:21.54 | themill | jaami: you're using vnc. |
| 06:22.12 | jaami | yes, vnc client and vino on debian |
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| 06:22.35 | jaami | oh, that is vertual networking! |
| 06:23.03 | themill | no, it is virtual network computing. |
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| 06:24.44 | jaami | right, but i dont know why vino is default app on debian for destop sharing while it is bugyy and really useless |
| 06:25.12 | jaami | i will check tightvnc this time |
| 06:25.25 | themill | who says it is? |
| 06:25.31 | jaami | i say |
| 06:25.37 | themill | maybe it's just you? |
| 06:25.43 | jaami | check it |
| 06:26.00 | heurist | vino is gnomes default, not debians |
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| 06:26.24 | jaami | i used many different clients, but refresh rate issue is with all, so server is the bug side |
| 06:26.38 | themill | vnc never has a high refresh rate |
| 06:27.10 | jaami | high, ? i have to wait more than 15 seconds sometimes |
| 06:27.24 | jmcnaught | jaami: or it's a slow connection |
| 06:27.32 | themill | maybe you should say that rather than calling it a refresh rate problem then,.,.. |
| 06:27.55 | jaami | not really, iam using same network to watch movies online |
| 06:28.02 | themill | a connection stalling for 15s is not a refresh rate problem |
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| 06:28.12 | heurist | lanodan: check vgdisplay/lvdisplay and make sure you have the correct device in fstab. |
| 06:28.22 | heurist | lanodan: sorry, wrong channel |
| 06:28.45 | jaami | connection is ok, only refresh rate is slower |
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| 06:32.08 | jaami | screen is sure refreshed on desktop now next thing is to,pick the new state or send the new state. i have checked different clients and that means on send the new state side is problem |
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| 06:34.23 | Zipf | jmcnaught ive did dpkg-reconfigure vnstat but still not working, seems its not counting the lan transfer or something like |
| 06:36.23 | jmcnaught | Zipf: I'm not sure I don't use vnstat myself, my advice about dpkg-reconfigure was more about packages in general :) I would check to see if vnstat has a README.Debian or other relevant files in /usr/share/doc/vnstat |
| 06:37.44 | Zipf | ok, ill check these options |
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| 06:52.04 | yogg | Hi |
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| 06:54.13 | `ajven | hi got problem, after fresh install debian i want to install nvidia, i follow this - https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. After install and reboot my system stuck before load kernel. It run grub but it stuck after that, any idea whats going on ? |
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| 06:55.36 | penrod | greetings, anybody with a simple solution to a new wheezy installation, with a sata drive. Added ide drives from a previous server, now some of the partitions (on the wheezy distribution) are read only |
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| 06:59.56 | yarl | penrod: Did you fill yourself /etc/fstab? |
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| 07:00.47 | penrod | no, I installed wheezy with just the sata drive atatched, then added the ide hard drives from an older linux box running samba |
| 07:01.58 | penrod | after that it wouldn't boot as the ide drives were given sda & sdb, so i diable those drives for booting in the bios |
| 07:02.41 | penrod | wheezy still recognizes them as sda and sdb, however does boot sdc (sata drive) |
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| 07:03.56 | yarl | Can you read sda and sdb? |
| 07:04.18 | yarl | you just can't write on it, right? |
| 07:04.21 | ix22600 | HI, where can I find linux interview questions? I would like to prepare for an interview .. :) |
| 07:04.46 | penrod | yarl, sda and sdb partitions can be mounted and read |
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| 07:05.02 | peetaur2 | Morning. What is the debian equivalent of this? (show all versions in a short tabular form, not huge like apt-cache show) http://bpaste.net/show/TXCHq8ag0lUUOyYW83P2/ |
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| 07:05.28 | yarl | Did you play with mout's options? |
| 07:05.45 | penrod | I was going to rsync the "shares" from the ide disk to the sata disk ( as it is much larger) and when I went to install rsync, I couldn't due to the partitons being read only. |
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| 07:06.43 | yarl | mount --rw or something? |
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| 07:06.55 | penrod | yarl, I was thinking of using persistent naming and getting the sata drive to boot (as sda1,sda2, etc) but am unsure of all the places I need to this or the recommended process. |
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| 07:07.46 | yogg | While the installation of debian the installer searches for hardware and installs missing firmware automatically (network cards, ...). Can I start this process again after installation in the system (I have now added nonfree)? |
| 07:08.31 | yarl | penrod: read comments in /etc/fstab if you didn't |
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| 07:09.41 | yarl | and man fstab and infos on net |
| 07:09.42 | penrod | yarl: it just mentions that it was on /dev/sdaX during installation |
| 07:09.54 | yarl | yeah, but blkid stuff |
| 07:10.04 | yarl | I guess that's the proper way |
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| 07:10.49 | yarl | I think shou should try to find mount option (if problem is here) to get read-write |
| 07:10.57 | penrod | I guess, I just need to know if I make changes , for persistent naming using UUID, that will work. |
| 07:11.00 | yarl | then make your fstab |
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| 07:13.36 | jmcnaught | peetaur2: maybe something like this: "aptitude search -F '%p %V %t' ~nlinux-image" Check the aptitude man page and also the reference manual section on "customizing how packages are displayed" http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ |
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| 07:17.14 | peetaur2 | jmcnaught: thanks... it does the job :) and I'll check out that page also |
| 07:17.20 | hipodilski | w |
| 07:17.24 | jmcnaught | peetaur2: there's also "aptitude versions" which is similar |
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| 07:20.40 | ix22600 | HI, where can I find linux interview questions? I would like to prepare for an interview .. :) |
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| 07:21.53 | jmcnaught | ix22600: Sounds like a job for a search engine. Maybe ##linux is a better place to ask. |
| 07:22.28 | ix22600 | I searched there, I thought there is a good website or torrent maybe, but thanks |
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| 07:24.34 | peetaur2 | ix22600: pop quiz question..... what does -U do in the ls command? ;) |
| 07:25.01 | peetaur2 | answer is: "man ls" :) |
| 07:25.03 | ix22600 | querying time of creation |
| 07:25.10 | ix22600 | :) |
| 07:25.31 | ix22600 | or man ls :) but in an interview, you cannot use man ls |
| 07:25.45 | peetaur2 | of course you can ... only a crazy person memorizes obscure options |
| 07:25.48 | jvv | hi, why command runlevel is reporting incorrent runlevel after my system boots ? |
| 07:25.55 | jvv | root@debian:~# grep initdefault /etc/inittab |
| 07:25.55 | jvv | id:2:initdefault: |
| 07:25.55 | jvv | root@debian:~# runlevel |
| 07:25.55 | jvv | N 5 |
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| 07:26.04 | ix22600 | becasue that's the default rl |
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| 07:26.09 | ix22600 | in debian |
| 07:26.38 | peetaur2 | and I wanted to share that with you ... one of the things that I found when researching a topic lke that. A sane admin knows how to find the information, but knows the common stuff. |
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| 07:26.56 | jvv | hi, why command runlevel is reporting incorrent runlevel after my system boots ? http://paste.debian.net/110920/ |
| 07:27.33 | peetaur2 | debhelper: :D |
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| 07:30.12 | ix22600 | where do you guys work? country, job, etc .. if you are willing to share |
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| 07:30.29 | peterrooney_ | !poll |
| 07:30.29 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 07:31.06 | peetaur2 | his question is not about popularity or opinion though |
| 07:31.17 | peetaur2 | off topic, but not quite that type of poll |
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| 07:51.49 | sw-tritum | hi, dist-upgrade marks linux-image-3.12-1-amd64 linux-image-amd64 as automaticially installed and wants to remove them? is there some replacement, or should i mark them as manual install? |
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| 07:56.01 | FuzzyWhirlpool | Yeah, there are many kernels. To find out, check `apt-cache search linux-image` and install your preferred linux image before removing it. |
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| 07:59.58 | petern_ | Hmm, I see Squeeze is still getting security updates... |
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| 08:00.30 | HeisSpiter | Squeeze is now LTS |
| 08:00.50 | FuzzyWhirlpool | Yeah, squeeze is good to be the first LTS version. |
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| 08:01.59 | petern_ | HeisSpiter, not if you don't set up the additional line in sources.list. |
| 08:02.00 | themill | petern_: sort of. |
| 08:02.05 | babilen | dpkg: squeeze-lts |
| 08:02.05 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:03.01 | petern_ | There was a base-files update (amongst others) in the regular repo, without squeeze-lts set up. |
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| 08:03.59 | formorer | petern_: that was the last one |
| 08:04.29 | formorer | petern_: https://www.debian.org/News/2014/20140719.en.html |
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| 08:04.56 | petern_ | Fair enough. I had expected that it had stopped a couple of months ago. |
| 08:05.03 | themill | petern_: it did. |
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| 08:05.55 | petern_ | themill, 19th July is 3 days, not months :-) |
| 08:06.08 | themill | petern_: did you look at what the actual changes were? |
| 08:06.15 | themill | and when they were actually made? |
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| 08:07.20 | petern_ | Some packages were not available on the previous day. Therefore they were made, for update purposes, on that date. |
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| 08:08.39 | themill | The only package in that category is base files and it is changed solely to permit that copying around. |
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| 08:38.43 | gribouille | hi |
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| 08:39.41 | Guest53406 | dpkg, tell me about tinc |
| 08:39.45 | justinas | Good morning! |
| 08:40.01 | justinas | Why, pray tell, the nvidia-driver has disappeared from jessie?! |
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| 08:40.26 | formorer | because its testing and because it is currently broken with the recent xorg |
| 08:40.42 | gribouille | is the nvidia driver available again on jessie? |
| 08:40.49 | tyho | gribouille: nope |
| 08:41.01 | gribouille | how long will it take? |
| 08:41.04 | tyho | :'( |
| 08:41.11 | tyho | about 4 days apparantly |
| 08:41.11 | formorer | a few days, maybe weeks. |
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| 08:41.14 | justinas | I guess that the question should have read "will it ever be available again". |
| 08:41.19 | formorer | transitions can be tricky |
| 08:41.34 | tyho | formorer: weeks? but muh vidya |
| 08:41.54 | justinas | I want my nvidia-drivers back. |
| 08:42.07 | formorer | it is testing. use stable or stop whining. |
| 08:42.08 | gribouille | justinas, why wouldn't it be available anymore? |
| 08:42.21 | justinas | I can't play Metro Last Light without them, seeing that nouveau is utterly inadequate for such purposes. |
| 08:42.24 | tyho | gribouille: some conflict with a new x version or something |
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| 08:43.43 | justinas | And, honestly, I don't put much trust in nouveau devs, because they had been concocting their driver for YEARS now and it's NOWHERE even close performance-wise to anything that nvidia has produced. |
| 08:43.58 | formorer | blame nvidia for it. |
| 08:44.05 | gribouille | formorer, I thougt that the unstable distribution was "unstable" and not "testing" |
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| 08:44.35 | formorer | gribouille: thats nonsense. testing isn't called testing because its final and stable. |
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| 08:44.47 | formorer | usually testing is the last distribution that gets fixed. |
| 08:45.06 | gribouille | formorer, so what's the difference between testing and unstable? |
| 08:45.23 | formorer | testing is proposed to be more stable than unstable |
| 08:45.23 | justinas | grave difference, in our case. |
| 08:45.26 | justinas | sid is unstable. |
| 08:45.30 | justinas | testing is jessie. |
| 08:45.33 | formorer | but that doesn't mean its stable. |
| 08:45.53 | formorer | and the main reason for testing is to have a staging area for the next stable. |
| 08:45.55 | justinas | Fixes to testing go from sid if 10 days pass without new bugs being reported. |
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| 08:46.30 | fosser_josh | i am not sure is this right channel to ask the question regarding freetds. I just have simple query, how can i tell freetds to make connection by ipaddress and not by hostname? even though in config i specified ip address. |
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| 08:47.05 | gribouille | formorer, but can testing be used on a computer for daily use or not? |
| 08:47.19 | justinas | So basically this means that testing is fixed way after the problem in sid is fixed, and way after the patch is backported to stable. |
| 08:47.19 | formorer | gribouille: if you have to ask: no. |
| 08:47.27 | formorer | gribouille: if you know what you are doing: yes. |
| 08:47.55 | justinas | I fully concur with formorer. |
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| 08:48.24 | formorer | if you haven't just blind executed apt-get dist-upgrade, but instead had a look on it before it removed your drivers, the problem wouldn't happened. |
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| 08:49.14 | gribouille | formorer, I couldn't think that apt-get dist-upgrade could break my system |
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| 08:49.58 | formorer | gribouille: breaking you system is an interpretation thing. if you use a non-finished distribution you should expect such changes. |
| 08:50.06 | tyho | gribouille: think about it as a learning experiance |
| 08:50.19 | formorer | the package system gave you a new x.org and therefore it had to remove the broken nvidia drivers. |
| 08:50.22 | gribouille | tyho, sure |
| 08:50.23 | tyho | I did the same thing a while ago in sid |
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| 08:50.37 | formorer | from the point of the package system you now have a new x.org. |
| 08:51.26 | tyho | gribouille: apt-listchanges may have given your warnings about it |
| 08:51.41 | gribouille | but for me the worst is the lack of communication. it is impossible to know what's going to happen |
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| 08:52.19 | formorer | gribouille: thats wrong. apt IS telling you in advance what is happening on your system. |
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| 08:52.57 | tyho | formorer: I think gribouille is refering to the lack of an announcment about timelines from the nvidia maintainers |
| 08:53.11 | gribouille | typ, right |
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| 08:53.18 | typ | ye? |
| 08:53.27 | gribouille | typ, sorry |
| 08:53.33 | typ | np |
| 08:53.33 | gribouille | tyho, right |
| 08:53.48 | fosser_josh | glukt: Hi can you help me with freetds? |
| 08:54.03 | petern_ | I don't think testing gets any such announcements. That would be pretty ridiculous. |
| 08:54.36 | formorer | there is a changes list |
| 08:54.48 | formorer | but if you ask me, that is too much to read. |
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| 08:55.29 | gribouille | petern_, I'm not asking about press releases |
| 08:56.05 | tyho | tbh, it would be better for nvidia maintainers to just get on with it rather than have to waste their time putting out press releases |
| 08:56.10 | formorer | gribouille: https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-changes/ |
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| 09:10.42 | friday_crew | hola folks |
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| 09:29.40 | formorer | there is no such thing as virtual network interfaces. the colon interfaces are deprecated for more than a decade now and they never really worked. |
| 09:30.52 | formorer | nm supports multiple addresses on one interface |
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| 09:32.44 | fangpeishi | formorer: thk. |
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| 09:37.36 | babilen | fangpeishi: http://www.tty1.net/blog/2010/ifconfig-ip-comparison_en.html might ease the transition from the long deprecated ifconfig to iproute2 |
| 09:38.09 | babilen | But then you don't really want :1 but just add additional addresses to the same interface |
| 09:39.33 | moai | hi. I'm using Gnome and debian testing. NetworkManager connects me with my wifi just fine but the gnome plugin does not seem to work. I am connected right now but the network-symbol in the gnome taskbar shows the "no-connection-symbol" |
| 09:39.56 | moai | in fact, the network section in the gnome settings is also empty |
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| 09:40.30 | moai | i.e., there's no indication that there's currently a wifi connection. there's no wifi option at all to select and not wired connection either |
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| 09:47.20 | moai | here is a screen shot since I think my description of the situation is poor: http://imgur.com/7Howp8E |
| 09:47.34 | moai | it shows the "no-connection" network symbol in the top bar |
| 09:47.55 | moai | and the "empty" gnome networking setting panel |
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| 09:48.16 | moai | even though there currently is a working wifi connection |
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| 09:48.59 | musca | moai: network-manager ignores all interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:49.39 | oo_miguel | I installed flashplugin-nonfree but chromium still shows "Adobe flash player required to display this content" instead of flash content. Did I miss something? |
| 09:50.01 | formorer | you need pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 09:50.12 | Stanto | Or use Chrome instead |
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| 09:52.41 | moai | musca: my /etc/network/interfaces does not contain the wifi or wired interface, if i read this correctly: http://pastebin.com/WYgkV6mA |
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| 09:54.21 | fangpeishi | oo_miguel: maybe you need to enable the plugin in chrome://plugins. |
| 09:54.21 | musca | moai: yes, only the loopback device, that's fine |
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| 09:56.42 | moai | musca: it appears to me that network manager is working fine internally. only the gui seems to be broken/missing somehow |
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| 09:59.13 | musca | moai: please try "LANG=C nmcli g" to check general status |
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| 10:03.16 | oo_miguel | fangpeishi: only one plugin shows up there: Chromoting Viewer, and it is enabled |
| 10:03.38 | moai | musca, "nmcli g" seems to be an invalid command, i used nmcli nm (NM's status), nmcli c (NM's connections) and nmcli d (NM's devices) instead: http://pastebin.com/hWiHNdHb |
| 10:04.33 | moai | this is strange, it seems to be running and connected, but the connection and device options are empty |
| 10:05.21 | Colapsnux | hi folks |
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| 10:07.00 | musca | moai: exactly. (i used the version from sid which has introduced new parameters g, n, r and removed the nm parameter) |
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| 10:10.14 | moai | musca: if NM has been updated in sid, could this then be a temporary issue caused by some gnome packages that expect the most recent NM? |
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| 10:10.42 | moai | but then again, Gnome is a few versions behind the current release on testing |
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| 10:13.29 | musca | moai: gnome 3.12 arrived in sid 8 days ago and will soon procceed to testing |
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| 10:17.55 | julius_ | hi |
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| 10:18.47 | julius_ | im on debian wheezy and got iceweasel from testing. when i now run (iceweasel is some weeks old) apt-get -t testing install iceweasel apt wants to update 173 packages and install another 160 new ones...can that be right? seems like a lot |
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| 10:19.25 | SynrGy | no. don't do that. |
| 10:19.31 | formorer | julius_: you are not on wheezy anymore. |
| 10:19.34 | SynrGy | ,v iceweasel |
| 10:19.36 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 24.4.0esr-1~deb7u2; wheezy-security: 24.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 30.0-2; sid: 30.0-2; experimental: 31.0~b3-1 |
| 10:19.54 | SynrGy | julius_: did you proceed or abort? |
| 10:20.09 | SynrGy | julius_: have you installed anything since you enabled testing in your sources.list? |
| 10:21.05 | SynrGy | !mdn |
| 10:21.05 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel (also Icedove and Iceape) are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze and wheezy or in <experimental> for jessie and sid. |
| 10:21.11 | julius_ | SynrG, abort |
| 10:21.31 | SynrGy | julius_: if you didn't install anything since you added testing to your sources.list, then you are still ok. just remove testing from sources.list and apt-get update |
| 10:21.38 | julius_ | formorer, how do you know? |
| 10:21.53 | julius_ | SynrG, im unsure, but i guess i didnt |
| 10:22.05 | SynrGy | julius_: see http://mozilla.debian.net/ and make an appropriate selection for wheezy |
| 10:22.09 | julius_ | ok |
| 10:22.18 | formorer | if you installed iceweasel from testing, you don't have wheezy anymore, but a borken hybrid between wheezy and jessie |
| 10:22.54 | SynrGy | julius_: when did you add testing? you say you're uncertain ... |
| 10:22.55 | julius_ | formorer, ah yes because of the iceweasel deps |
| 10:23.14 | SynrGy | and yet you say you aborted when you saw it would pull in extra packages |
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| 10:29.03 | julius_ | ah crap /var/log/apt/history.log says that i installed some packages from testing, but i have APT::Default-Release "stable"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00testing |
| 10:29.04 | julius_ | shouldnt that keep my system "stable" ? |
| 10:29.07 | julius_ | SynrG, yes....i was trying to upgrade iceweasel |
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| 10:30.05 | SynrG | pinning is tricky. it makes suggestions only |
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| 10:31.05 | SynrG | that may prevent wholesale upgrade to testing, but won't save you if you install a package that's in testing only |
| 10:31.33 | coreyfarrell | hello all, I'm trying to build rpm's for my perl modules, does anyone know what would cause: dpkg-gencontrol: warning: Depends field of package libmymodule-perl: unknown substitution variable ${perl:Depends} ? |
| 10:31.41 | SynrG | and once you start tainting your stable system with testing packages, it's game over. there's no downgrade path. |
| 10:32.23 | SynrG | julius_: stable/testing mix is not a supported debian system. your choices are: move forward completely to testing or reinstall stable |
| 10:32.28 | coreyfarrell | oops I meant debian packages.. sorry I usually work in RPM :) |
| 10:32.30 | SynrG | next time, don't mix stable/testing |
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| 10:33.48 | elposor | salve! |
| 10:33.49 | SynrG | coreyfarrell: your debian/control contains that substitution variable but no debian/packagename.substvars file provides it |
| 10:33.59 | elposor | !list |
| 10:33.59 | dpkg | elposor: Ã possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 10:34.12 | SynrG | coreyfarrell: and that question is perhaps more appropriate for #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net, not here |
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| 10:34.34 | coreyfarrell | SynrG: thank you, I'll look into that file in the package that works vs the one that does, and check out that other channel |
| 10:34.58 | SynrG | coreyfarrell: those .substvars files are typically automatically generated by debhelper |
| 10:35.34 | SynrG | or the appropriate dpkg-whatsit |
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| 10:36.02 | coreyfarrell | that's why I don't understand, both debian folders are almost identical with different names/descriptions, the one that's giving that warning has more build deps |
| 10:36.11 | SynrG | coreyfarrell: e.g. dpkg-shlibdeps |
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| 10:37.15 | SynrG | coreyfarrell: anyway, as to the specific reason that variable isn't provided, #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net probably has better answers than i do :) |
| 10:37.23 | SynrG | coreyfarrell: i've never packaged anything perlish |
| 10:37.54 | SynrG | dunno how the autodiscovery of dependencies works there |
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| 10:42.03 | coreyfarrell | SynrG: I found it, had a broken path in my Makefile.am.. found it when I tried checking out the .substvars.. thanks! |
| 10:42.09 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
| 10:42.24 | SynrG | coreyfarrell: yay! |
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| 10:58.48 | julius_ | SynrG, ok thx. so now what do i do with the firefox from testing? should i reinstall the whole system? |
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| 11:00.39 | martinrame | hi, can anyone point me to a description of the "network" param of /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 11:03.58 | musca | julius_: for a start you can determine how many and which packages from testing you installed. |
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| 11:08.02 | julius_ | musca, assuming i know that. is there a way to revert back to stable? |
| 11:08.39 | SynrG | !downgrade |
| 11:08.39 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 11:09.16 | SynrG | julius_: not really, but you can try enumerating all downgraded packages and downgrading them individually as per above |
| 11:09.23 | nevyn | martinrame: man 5 interfaces |
| 11:09.26 | SynrG | er, all accidentally upgraded packages i meant |
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| 11:10.04 | martinrame | nevyn: thanks, I can't find info about the "network" param, is it a correct parameter? |
| 11:10.05 | SynrG | julius_: the risk is that you hit one of the issues that the above factoid alludes to |
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| 11:10.37 | julius_ | SynrG, ok, for now i will continue with this system and see where it goes. when it makes trouble i reinstall |
| 11:10.49 | nevyn | martinrame: in what sort of stanza? |
| 11:10.55 | julius_ | thx for your time guys |
| 11:11.18 | martinrame | nevyn: inet |
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| 11:11.59 | nevyn | it's the network address |
| 11:12.40 | nevyn | so if you have 192.168.1.0/24 the network address is 192.168.1.0 broadcast is 192.168.1.255 |
| 11:12.54 | martinrame | nevyn: I have an "address" 192.168.10.104 and the network param was "192.168.10.0". Can it be blocking access from clients in the range "192.168.100.0" ? |
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| 11:13.13 | nevyn | martinrame: sigh. |
| 11:13.23 | martinrame | nevyn: btw, the router has rules to allow trafic from that network. |
| 11:13.38 | nevyn | do you have the gateway set to the router? |
| 11:13.48 | martinrame | nevyn: yes |
| 11:13.53 | nevyn | what's the subnet? |
| 11:14.37 | martinrame | nevyn: do you mean the netmask? 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:14.51 | nevyn | so /24 |
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| 11:15.49 | martinrame | nevyn: yes. Can that be the problem? |
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| 11:16.48 | nevyn | can you ping the router? |
| 11:17.08 | martinrame | nevyn: yes |
| 11:17.23 | OpenTokix | martinrame: you have to route the traffic from 192.168.100.0/24 to and from 192.168.10.0/24 |
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| 11:17.35 | martinrame | nevyn: it looks like the router is blocking clients from 192.168.100.x |
| 11:17.43 | nevyn | ok |
| 11:17.59 | nevyn | so you have a default route from 192.168.10.104 to where? |
| 11:18.12 | OpenTokix | martinrame: the client will ask for "Who has 192.168.10.x" on the 192.168.100.0/24 network - and noone will answer |
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| 11:18.21 | nevyn | no it won't |
| 11:19.01 | OpenTokix | correction, your default router will do that |
| 11:19.08 | nevyn | nope |
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| 11:19.25 | nevyn | I'm assuming the router has a connection to both networks. |
| 11:19.35 | nymous | hello folks |
| 11:19.56 | martinrame | OpenTokix: I had two servers 192.168.10.104 and 192.168.10.236, then I shut down the old 104 and changed the ip 236 to 104, to avoid going to all of them changing the ip of the database. |
| 11:20.21 | nevyn | ok |
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| 11:20.33 | OpenTokix | martinrame: and then it dont work anymore? |
| 11:21.05 | martinrame | OpenTokix: after that, only those clients on 192.168.10.x are working. The weird thing is those on 192.168.100.x can ping, but cannot reach ports 80 nor 5432 on 192.168.10.104 |
| 11:21.24 | nymous | i need an advice on how to do best the followig: i want to create my personal repo with mine software, but i want to have several lines of deployment, you know, like in chrome: dev, beta, release |
| 11:21.39 | martinrame | OpenTokix: The problem is on a remote site, the techs there says the CAN PING, but I'm not really sure. |
| 11:22.01 | nevyn | martinrame: can you ping 100.x clients from your 10.104 server? |
| 11:22.06 | OpenTokix | martinrame: Sounds like a firewalling issue, if icmp works but nothing else |
| 11:22.09 | nevyn | yeah |
| 11:22.14 | nevyn | I think that too. |
| 11:22.20 | nevyn | oh. |
| 11:22.39 | nevyn | is the router really routing this or is it natted or something horrible. |
| 11:22.50 | nymous | OpenTokix: flush arp caches on your router also |
| 11:22.54 | nevyn | yeah |
| 11:23.02 | martinrame | OpenTokix: yes, I can ping. |
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| 11:23.45 | OpenTokix | martinrame: what nymous said |
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| 11:23.51 | martinrame | nevyn: I'm waiting for the network admin. I'm sure it's an firewall config. |
| 11:24.17 | nevyn | but if you moved ip to the one that used to work. |
| 11:24.27 | OpenTokix | martinrame: I would tcpdump on both client and server, then try to telnet on port 80 from a client on 192.168.100.0/24 network |
| 11:24.41 | OpenTokix | and the gateway, if its a linuxbox |
| 11:24.48 | OpenTokix | I would start there |
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| 11:25.04 | martinrame | OpenTokix: yes, but I don't have access to any machine on 192.168.100.x |
| 11:25.07 | OpenTokix | And my guess is you will se traffic comming to gw, and the server, but then it will get lost |
| 11:26.50 | martinrame | Let's see what the netadmin says. |
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| 11:28.31 | martinrame | OpenTokix: and the cause of this behavior is the firewall? |
| 11:28.55 | OpenTokix | martinrame: while true; do nc -w 1 127.0.0.10 80; done <-- this will generate a port 80 packet every second |
| 11:29.05 | OpenTokix | martinrame: I dont know, depends on the firewall and configuration |
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| 11:37.36 | nymous | seems like reprepro is not my case |
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| 11:38.00 | nymous | i need something that allows to have several versions of a package |
| 11:38.18 | OpenTokix | nymous: That is annoying as hell to setup |
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| 11:38.50 | nymous | can you suggest me a tool for my case? |
| 11:39.05 | OpenTokix | The one they use for debian mirrors |
| 11:39.08 | OpenTokix | undocumented |
| 11:39.30 | nymous | multiple version of same package, several deployment lines like dev, beta, release |
| 11:39.36 | tyho | nymous: schroot |
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| 11:40.30 | nymous | tyho: i need a repository maintenance tool |
| 11:40.58 | nymous | so i can publish my packages to several lines, and they are deployed to my servers |
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| 11:41.17 | nymous | all of them are wheezy |
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| 11:44.02 | OpenTokix | nymous: Do you have some configuration managment tool, I would just setup different repos for the various versions |
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| 11:44.58 | nymous | yes, i have, i would setup different repos |
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| 11:45.10 | nymous | but i need something to create those repos first of all |
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| 11:45.32 | OpenTokix | nymous: dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 11:46.21 | OpenTokix | nymous: dpkg-scanpackages | gzip -9c > Packages.gz - in each repo-folder where you have the debfiles |
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| 11:46.28 | OpenTokix | nymous: then serve them with nginx |
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| 11:47.10 | OpenTokix | nymous: I have a cronjob that does that, so when I add a package, it will be added automatically to my repo |
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| 11:47.55 | nymous | i've did reprepro setup already, it works, even with package signing, but it lacks of multiversion support |
| 11:48.09 | OpenTokix | ahh |
| 11:48.35 | nymous | aptly looks fine, but i'm unsure |
| 11:49.13 | somiaj | nymous: Can you just name your packages different for the version, that is how it seems most offical repos deal with multiple versions, foo1.2 foo1.3 etc for the package names? |
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| 11:50.34 | nymous | actually, they use different pools |
| 11:50.45 | nymous | like wheezy/stable, wheezy/testing |
| 11:50.52 | nymous | wheezy/backports |
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| 11:51.30 | nymous | just mention pool you want to use in your apt list and you are done |
| 11:51.40 | OpenTokix | I am asuming you want to install apt-get install pkg=3.0.3 |
| 11:51.48 | nymous | yes |
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| 11:52.13 | nymous | apt-get install pkg for latest and pkg=1.2.5 for exact version |
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| 12:09.43 | rivarun | hello. i'd like to try out debian, but i'm dependant on awesome-3.5.x . i noticed that it's available in experimental. is there any way for me to figure out (without having debian installed at the moment) what other dependencies i will have to pull from other sources? |
| 12:10.30 | babilen | rivarun: Which version of Debian are you planning on tracking? |
| 12:11.14 | rivarun | babilen: i am not sure yet. i was considering testing or unstable |
| 12:11.28 | rivarun | most likely testing though |
| 12:11.36 | babilen | rivarun: In that case you can just pull it from experimental directly |
| 12:11.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell rivarun -about tum |
| 12:11.48 | rivarun | babilen: in the case of testing or unstable as well? |
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| 12:13.22 | babilen | rivarun: Also add experimental and you can install it with "apt-get -t experimental install awesome". Yes, it doesn't matter if you track testing or unstable. I would recommend to configure your system with testing and unstable sources anyway as you will almost certainly want to pull packages from unstable every now and then and the dependency resolution systems will have an easier time to to come up with sensible solution if you configure system ... |
| 12:13.28 | babilen | ... that way. |
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| 12:13.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell rivarun -about sid faq |
| 12:15.22 | babilen | I'd start with a minimal wheezy installation (just standard task) and then upgrade that to testing. |
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| 12:16.32 | rivarun | babilen: that's what i recall having done in the past. i somehow quickly get lost in debian's documentation. it's not bad, it's that it takes me from one page to another too often |
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| 12:17.27 | antithesis | Can anyone help me with pm-utils hooks? I've followed the instructions at the Arch Wiki (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/pm-utils#Creating_your_own_hooks), but I don't notice any change |
| 12:17.28 | babilen | Well, read the sid faq and make sure that you have apt-listbugs installed. Ask about problems you encounter in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) and you should be good to go |
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| 12:18.12 | oo_miguel | I installed postfix and fetchmail locally and I can send and receive mails from/to my different remote mailboxes, however now I would also like to have some kind of pre-sorting my incoming messages into different mboxes. I assume I shoud configure fetchmail to pass the messages to some mda? |
| 12:18.13 | rivarun | babilen: thanks for everything |
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| 12:21.29 | oo_miguel | which mda should I use locally. I just need to handle my own messages. |
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| 12:21.31 | babilen | oo_miguel: You probably want dovecot-imapd with some sorting program (e.g. imapfilter, pigeonhole (sieve), ..) or sort using your mail client -- I would also recommend to use offlineimap and not fetchmail. |
| 12:22.15 | babilen | Well, it is a bit trickier and it depends on where you want to keep your mails and where you want to sort them (e.g. how many clients will connect to it and so on) |
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| 12:22.33 | oo_miguel | I want to keep my mails locally and sort them locally |
| 12:22.48 | babilen | On the box the client is running on? |
| 12:22.52 | oo_miguel | exactly |
| 12:22.57 | babilen | Which client do you use? |
| 12:23.00 | oo_miguel | mutt |
| 12:24.23 | oo_miguel | but I want the sorting to happen autonomously and independetly of the client |
| 12:24.59 | oo_miguel | so the messages are put automatically in ~/mail/debian ~/mail/security etc.. |
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| 12:25.12 | oo_miguel | based on some simple rules |
| 12:25.46 | babilen | Well, you have multiple options there. I configured it with getmail that pipes messages into procmail for sorting *ages* ago. I make my sorted mailboxes available via dovecot and configure mutt to connect to my imap server. These days offlineimap is frequently used and alternatives to procmail comprise maildrop and various sieve implementations |
| 12:25.51 | oo_miguel | I wondered if procmail would be appropriate for that task, but wikipedia tells me it is not longer supported (?) |
| 12:26.41 | babilen | I just can't be arsed to update my procmailrc and switch to maildrop ;) |
| 12:27.10 | oo_miguel | oh, so in my case "maildrop" might be the preferred choice |
| 12:27.24 | babilen | It would, yeah |
| 12:27.47 | oo_miguel | allright, Ill give it a try, thanks babilen! |
| 12:27.59 | oo_miguel | maybe Ill be back soon, if it does not work as expected ;) |
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| 12:29.43 | babilen | oo_miguel: It's just that I have a bunch of rules like http://paste.debian.net/110967 that match *all* Debian mailing lists and create maildirs where necessary ... it would probably take me a day to translate my 300+ line .procmailrc to maildrop, but it should probably be done soon :) |
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| 12:30.49 | babilen | oo_miguel: Also please don't yet rule out sieve. Both courier and dovecot come with pretty complete implementations that are nice. |
| 12:30.51 | oo_miguel | babilen: I understand, maybe there is some way to translate it automatically ;). In my case, since I have not set up any rules yet, I will go for the maildrop language ;) |
| 12:31.05 | babilen | sure |
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| 12:33.28 | oo_miguel | In my case I fetch my mails from a couple of remote mailboxes (gmail, yahoo, my own server which runs dovecot indeed, etc) and I do NOT want to store copies remotely. I assumed it would be the easiest way to do the filtering/sorting locally |
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| 12:37.10 | babilen | oo_miguel: I concur |
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| 12:37.25 | abrotman | Doctor, do you concur? |
| 12:37.42 | oo_miguel | :) |
| 12:38.27 | oo_miguel | ... now i can install maildrop with a clear conscience ;) |
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| 12:41.52 | kyriakoshadj | Hello i have a problem |
| 12:42.02 | kyriakoshadj | i have two hard disks |
| 12:42.15 | kyriakoshadj | and BIOS shows them both |
| 12:42.24 | kyriakoshadj | but Debian Installer shows only the first |
| 12:42.30 | kyriakoshadj | what to do? |
| 12:42.47 | petn-randall | kyriakoshadj: Have you configured them as a Hardware-RAID? |
| 12:43.16 | kyriakoshadj | What's that? |
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| 12:44.40 | arcanus | im trying to set an ipv6 address on my interface eth0 but it doesnt work can anyone see any error in my /etc/network/interfaces config: http://pastebin.com/ucimxWeW |
| 12:45.17 | Dagger | "netmask 128" seems unlikely... |
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| 12:45.45 | kyriakoshadj | @petn-randall |
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| 12:47.57 | SirLagz | hmm...I think one of my machines is dying |
| 12:48.22 | SirLagz | crashed while running apt-get lol |
| 12:48.24 | petn-randall | kyriakoshadj: If you have a Hardware-RAID1, you have two HDDs configured to mirror each other. The OS will only "see" one disk, though. |
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| 12:50.20 | SirLagz | RIP: 0010:[<ffffffffa0188fa6>] [<ffffffffa0188fa6>] ext4_ext_map_blocks+0x416/0xef0 [ext4] |
| 12:50.22 | SirLagz | oops |
| 12:50.34 | SirLagz | didn't mean to paste that here =/ but since I did, would that indicate a hard drive issue ? |
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| 12:51.52 | _unreal_ | are you having issues with a partition on the drive? |
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| 12:52.11 | SirLagz | _unreal_: the machine's just crashed |
| 12:52.15 | oiot | hi guys |
| 12:52.31 | SirLagz | i'm suspecting hardware issues. Might just get another drive and see if the same thing happens =/ |
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| 12:52.53 | _unreal_ | you may need to do a drive scan |
| 12:52.56 | debianguy123 | need help with debian testing how I can install vboxguestadditions in it |
| 12:52.59 | debianguy123 | ? |
| 12:53.24 | debianguy123 | as root I am already told that I do not have the permission to execute it |
| 12:53.31 | _unreal_ | debianguy123, google: debian install vboxguestadditions |
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| 12:54.58 | SirLagz | _unreal_: Yeah, I don't like my chances of rescuing this system =/ |
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| 12:55.01 | _unreal_ | SirLagz, have you tried booting the machine from a live distro or change the run level so you can scan the hard drive? |
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| 12:55.18 | SirLagz | _unreal_: not yet. First time powering this machine on in a little while because I've been having issues haha |
| 12:55.35 | _unreal_ | is it setup as a logical volume? |
| 12:55.43 | SirLagz | _unreal_: I believe so |
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| 12:56.05 | _unreal_ | heh if its logical volume your best bet will be a hard drive scan |
| 12:56.19 | _unreal_ | and you'll be back up and running |
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| 12:57.09 | SirLagz | _unreal_: I'm wondering if it's bad sectors actually...It's a pretty old hard drive |
| 12:57.11 | _unreal_ | I've stopped using logic volume due to having many crashes where I'd have to deal with re-scanning the drive. then it fixes its self then every thing is hunky dory. each to there own |
| 12:57.11 | iSeeDeadPixels | hey people :) |
| 12:57.21 | iSeeDeadPixels | I'm currently trying to get my HP NC2400's TPM module to work, with tpm-tools and trousers, but i'm unable to take ownership because of a Internal Software Error, even when using the latest version of tpm-tools and trousers |
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| 12:57.35 | _unreal_ | I'd assume lvm issues first, bad sector issues later |
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| 12:57.59 | _unreal_ | do you know how to change your run level on boot? |
| 12:58.14 | SirLagz | _unreal_: maybe |
| 12:58.17 | _unreal_ | heh |
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| 12:58.43 | SirLagz | _unreal_: When you say scan the drive, do you mean run a fsck ? |
| 12:58.58 | _unreal_ | more or less yes |
| 12:59.01 | SirLagz | kk |
| 12:59.07 | _unreal_ | but there is a process |
| 12:59.38 | _unreal_ | first you have to boot to low level, then you have to identify the lvm, make the lvm active, then you can scan it |
| 12:59.43 | SirLagz | i see |
| 12:59.47 | ivefr | does any one here have experience with cpufreq? I am wondering about the manpage of cpufreq set which states in the second paragraph under REMARKS that the --freq argument could not be combined with any other parameter than --cpu. I am wondering why I shouldn't it combine with --related. Any idea? |
| 13:00.04 | ivefr | *cpufreq-set |
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| 13:00.05 | _unreal_ | pvscan something like that take me a bit to find the info. I use to have it written down because it happend so often |
| 13:00.15 | SirLagz | haha |
| 13:01.06 | _unreal_ | vgscan, vgchange....... |
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| 13:02.21 | _unreal_ | SirLagz, do a bit of googling, it has to do with vgscan vgchange and some other command |
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| 13:02.54 | SirLagz | _unreal_: righto will do |
| 13:03.11 | iSeeDeadPixels | I'm currently trying to get my HP NC2400's TPM module to work, with tpm-tools and trousers, but i'm unable to take ownership because of a Internal Software Error, even when using the latest version of tpm-tools and trousers, here's some output and commands.. http://pastie.org/private/debol0ppkxszehsd0gcyg |
| 13:03.19 | _unreal_ | its been like 2 years so I forget the sequence. but vgscan show's you the logical volume, then you vgchange to the logical volume then you do some other command to make it active or something??? then you can run a scan command. it finds the errors and all is hunky dory again |
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| 13:07.35 | _unreal_ | time to go finish my daughters school registration |
| 13:07.51 | debianguy123 | ok thanks |
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| 13:21.28 | Almtesh | Hi! |
| 13:21.37 | Almtesh | I have some vmdk files. |
| 13:22.03 | Almtesh | I zeroed the empty space, but I want to know how to reduce its size. |
| 13:22.25 | Almtesh | The vmdk file is for kvm, so I don't have any VirtualBox and VMWare tools. |
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| 13:49.17 | acu | I installed Jessie and for virtual machine - hda-duplex not supported in this QEMU binary' |
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| 14:09.05 | toad_ | are there any packaged tools for uploading files to Google Drive? I don't want to use Pip to get PyDrive, I want something that's actually officially Debian? |
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| 14:19.32 | pepperjack | hmm when i save a file on windows as say utf8 it is saved with 2 bytes per character x'00 FF' instead of x'FF'. if I save with encoding utf-8 on debian or any linux unless the file contains extended ascii chars it only allocates 1 byte per char x'FF'. a file command shows it as utf8 though |
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| 14:21.10 | pepperjack | or well x'64' or something since x'FF' would be extended ascii. how does debian know it is utf8 when a hexdump doesn't show it any different content than ascii? |
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| 14:21.17 | vassilux | hi, There is a possibility to change proxy when the proxy was initialized by d-i mirror/http/proxy string http://proxy:800 |
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| 14:21.59 | vassilux | I have this problem cause make a iso with my proxy and installation is blocked now |
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| 14:23.00 | pepperjack | vassilux: edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and change the line for your proxy server I think |
| 14:23.30 | pepperjack | or export http_proxy=http://server:8080 not sure if apt overrides http_proxy |
| 14:23.33 | vassilux | yes I know but the installation is blocked cause can not find the mirror |
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| 14:24.05 | vassilux | I tried too , in the console Alt F2, but the instalation is blocked |
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| 14:24.30 | vassilux | This is my fault but ... |
| 14:24.30 | hpekdemir | hi all |
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| 14:24.52 | newbsduser | how can i generate myfilename.gz 's zsync file? |
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| 14:25.00 | hpekdemir | apt-get upgrade shows me bareos-filedaemon with version 13.2.3-33.1. but trying to upgrade fails, because of a NOT FOUND. |
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| 14:25.07 | hpekdemir | Ive checked the sources. there is no version with 13.2.3-33.1 |
| 14:25.08 | newbsduser | i want to download it on client but it requires .zsync file |
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| 14:25.16 | vassilux | I tried to change 50mirror to generate apt.conf emtpty and it works |
| 14:25.17 | hpekdemir | even the Packages file does not contain the version 13.2.3-33.1 |
| 14:25.27 | hpekdemir | how come apt-get upgrade claims to have a new version of bareos then? |
| 14:25.33 | hpekdemir | where does this information come from? |
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| 14:26.48 | vassilux | I checked /target/etc/wgetrc and http_proxy is not used(commented). |
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| 14:31.19 | leni1 | how to remove the 'Windows Vista' entry in the GRUB boot menu? Anyone who can help |
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| 14:33.22 | vassilux | I tried too export use_proxy =off |
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| 14:43.14 | mtn | leni1: is vista installed on the computer? |
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| 14:50.04 | leni1 | no it is Windows 7 |
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| 14:50.55 | mtn | leni1: run update-grub and it should see what is actually installed on the computer |
| 14:51.09 | leni1 | Initially, it was recognized that way. After a kernel upgrade, the GRUB boot menu now has the entries 'Windows 7' and 'Windows Vista' |
| 14:51.23 | leni1 | Did that, nothing changed |
| 14:51.41 | mtn | leni1: silly windows |
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| 14:52.17 | mtn | leni1: do both entries boot into win7? |
| 14:52.26 | leni1 | yep |
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| 14:52.35 | mtn | leni1: pretty strange |
| 14:53.24 | leni1 | Yeah. when you select the 'Windows Vista' option, you see the message: 'error: no argument found' |
| 14:53.41 | leni1 | Pressing any key then lets you into Windows 7 |
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| 14:54.13 | leni1 | The 'Windows 7' entry lets you boot into the OS smoothly |
| 14:54.19 | leni1 | No message appears |
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| 14:58.22 | jere | What does -4-486 at the end of 3.2.0-4-486? |
| 14:58.44 | OpenTokix | jere: that is compiled for 486 cpu or older |
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| 14:58.58 | OpenTokix | no 586 or later instructions used |
| 14:59.02 | OpenTokix | ie. MMX SSE etc. |
| 14:59.05 | jere | If I want to download Linux source should I type apt-get install linux-source3.2.0? |
| 14:59.30 | jere | Is this an architecture like x86? |
| 14:59.49 | OpenTokix | jere: x86 is the architecture, 486 is the version |
| 14:59.51 | OpenTokix | more or less |
| 15:00.21 | OpenTokix | linux was made for 386, then came 486, 586 (pentium) 686 (Pentium2) and onward |
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| 15:01.13 | jere | Ahan. So AMD will have its own numbering. Am I correct? |
| 15:01.15 | OpenTokix | jere: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage <-- instructions how to rebould the offical kernel package |
| 15:01.27 | OpenTokix | jere: yes, but they are all x86 cpus |
| 15:01.50 | OpenTokix | jere: like the AMD64, is the 64 bit extensions for x86 made by AMD - but licensed by intel |
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| 15:04.12 | jere | Thanks OpenTokix. I am using this: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-getting |
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| 15:04.18 | jere | Is it fine too? |
| 15:04.21 | Li484 | Hello. What is the difference between a salt and a pepper concerning hashes? |
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| 15:05.04 | OpenTokix | jere: I am wondering why you feel the need to rebuild the kernel. Since your knowledge seems limited. - Is it educational, I understand you =) |
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| 15:08.34 | _unreal_ | SirLagz, ever figure it out? |
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| 15:20.15 | jere | OpenTokix: I am attempting Eudyptula Challenge. So there. :) |
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| 15:23.03 | jaami | something went wrong with vnc server on debian because no client vnc viewer is accepting tap event from my tablet |
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| 15:24.15 | jaami | i used different vnc clients but all of them behave the same way, cannot click on any thing from client side |
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| 15:25.19 | jaami | really messed up my debian when somebody told me to open back ports |
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| 15:25.56 | jaami | a lot of useless updates have been made to debian after back ports were enabled |
| 15:25.57 | acu | I am trying to run virtual machines in jessie and I get this: Unable to complete install: 'unsupported configuration: hda-duplex not supported in this QEMU binary' - any hints ? |
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| 15:26.56 | jaami | acu i use vertualbox and it is runing ok except for the usb ports |
| 15:28.10 | acu | jaami: I am interested in kvm qemu (type 1 hypervisor) |
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| 15:29.16 | jaami | what linux flavor would you choose if you are asked to use only virtual machines for debian and other guest os |
| 15:29.58 | dioz | smartos |
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| 15:30.26 | nymous | i'm using debian + opennebula |
| 15:30.48 | nymous | quite everything you need for small-medium sized clouds |
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| 15:32.02 | acu | jaami: as host - as with everything else, with what are you more confortable and fits your life phylosophy - for debian is always first choice - perhaps ubuntu next then scientific linux - centos - rhel, opensuse, suse |
| 15:32.15 | jaami | so, i can use any one of those suggested OS and then use any vm to run actual OS Like debian? |
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| 15:33.21 | acu | jaami: absolutely - I run debian as host with qemu-kvm libvirt virt manager and have guests windows machines and of course linux (debian and openbsd etc) |
| 15:33.26 | jaami | running directly without vm is always a problem |
| 15:33.45 | jaami | i see |
| 15:33.54 | acu | jaami: what running directly is a problem ? |
| 15:34.21 | jaami | i cannot start from the point where my debian was running good |
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| 15:34.56 | jaami | if there is way then that gona be real trouble |
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| 15:35.07 | jaami | i mean that wont be easy |
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| 15:36.13 | jaami | im thinking to get rid of debian and use a small footprint of any linux flavor os that support virtulization |
| 15:36.24 | acu | jaami: I installed debian in hundreds of computers, from servers to laptops, and it seems perfect for me - sometimes you need to add non-free repositories and install linux firmware nonfree, but that would be all |
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| 15:37.14 | acu | you do not need to install gnome and others, it is small foot print - few gb of hdd |
| 15:37.27 | jaami | i spent a lot of time for this running debian system. i have many things still working on it. |
| 15:37.40 | Rug | How do I find out the version of software that I installed via apt-get ? |
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| 15:37.45 | acu | lxde is 1 GB - I think you can have debian wheezy or jessie installed in 5 GB hdd |
| 15:37.59 | acu | the minimum is 12 GB though |
| 15:38.19 | jaami | right, actually my vino and tightvncserver are not working |
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| 15:38.52 | jaami | i have to use vnc client to work on my laptop |
| 15:39.27 | nymous | i do not recommend rhel-based distros |
| 15:39.46 | jaami | if i can fix the servers somehow then i will skip the idea of reinstalling os |
| 15:39.51 | nymous | because if debian is a bit outdated, rhel based would terribly outdated |
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| 15:40.19 | bakednotfried | Can anyone tell me how to remove packages properly with apt-get? |
| 15:40.27 | bakednotfried | I do apt-get purge but it doesn't work |
| 15:40.35 | jaami | oh that is serious point nymous |
| 15:40.43 | Brigo | bakednotfried, apt-get remove may be, then |
| 15:40.50 | centrx | bakednotfried, "doesn't work"? |
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| 15:41.09 | bakednotfried | Brigo: It does the same thing |
| 15:41.19 | bakednotfried | centrx: It doesn't remove the binaries and the configs |
| 15:41.33 | Brigo | Rug, dpkg -l <package> |
| 15:41.45 | nymous | bakednotfried: apt-get remove --purge |
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| 15:42.19 | jaami | anyway, can i get my tightvncserver fixed with help from any side? |
| 15:42.30 | nymous | jaami: yes, they are good for big fat commercial software whicn needs stable distro for 5-6 years |
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| 15:42.58 | Brigo | and for smart users |
| 15:43.01 | nymous | if you want to use new opensource software, like modern things from github, you WOULD suffer |
| 15:43.06 | Rug | Brigo: thanks |
| 15:43.07 | bakednotfried | nymous: It doesn't work |
| 15:43.16 | Brigo | Rug, np :( |
| 15:43.18 | Brigo | Rug, np :) |
| 15:43.19 | bakednotfried | nymous: Only removes like 26 KB of stuff |
| 15:43.45 | nymous | bakednotfried: try apt-get autoremove --purge also |
| 15:43.58 | Brigo | bakednotfried, that minds nothing |
| 15:44.03 | jaami | huh autoremove removed my gnome too |
| 15:44.11 | _unreal_ | im trying to install debian 7.6 on an athlon x64 3400+ computer. the install has crashed twice on me. might this be a computer that is to old? or an issue with all the add in cards I have? scsi, ata, usb wireless etc.. pci add in's |
| 15:44.12 | jaami | becarefull anyway |
| 15:44.14 | bakednotfried | nymous: I did but it removes the other dependencies instead of the binaries associated with the packages |
| 15:44.32 | bakednotfried | nymous: For example, I removed emacs but I can still run emacs from the terminal |
| 15:44.34 | centrx | _unreal_, If it has more than 96M of RAM it's probably okay |
| 15:44.37 | nymous | it should remove any unneeded depencies you still have |
| 15:44.40 | Rug | _unreal_: run a RAM/memory scan |
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| 15:44.43 | _unreal_ | 1gb |
| 15:44.55 | Brigo | _unreal_, when does it crashes? |
| 15:45.09 | _unreal_ | the packages install point |
| 15:45.16 | Brigo | _unreal_, not a test to check the ram |
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| 15:45.29 | nymous | bakednotfried: you might be removing wrong package, use dpkg -l to see installed ones |
| 15:45.33 | Brigo | _unreal_, not, rug minds a test to check the ram |
| 15:45.36 | _unreal_ | it gets almost to the end then just goes back to the main install options list |
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| 15:46.06 | Brigo | _unreal_, could you be more specific? are you installing wheezy? |
| 15:46.16 | _unreal_ | um |
| 15:46.29 | _unreal_ | I believe so? |
| 15:46.33 | bakednotfried | nymous: Ahh yes, there was the version number appended |
| 15:46.34 | _unreal_ | i'm just using the GUI install |
| 15:46.37 | bakednotfried | nymous: Thanks |
| 15:46.49 | _unreal_ | it has an ati x1050 video card |
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| 15:47.36 | Brigo | _unreal_, are you installing wheezy? |
| 15:47.59 | _unreal_ | I dont know what wheezy is spicifily |
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| 15:48.16 | Brigo | _unreal_, the debian version, 7.x is called wheezy, the last stable |
| 15:48.28 | Konomi | anyone happen to have a clue of why pm-powersave true no longer seems to be a default on debian testing? |
| 15:48.32 | _unreal_ | then yes |
| 15:48.35 | _unreal_ | 7.6.0 |
| 15:48.44 | _unreal_ | wooooo raining out hard |
| 15:48.52 | _unreal_ | good old south florida |
| 15:49.05 | Brigo | _unreal_, and can you tell us where the install crashes? |
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| 15:49.19 | raboof | nm-applet is segfaulting for me. normally I'd gdb, but it locks my windowmanager. what would be the recommended way to debug? generate a core file? or something apport-like? |
| 15:49.34 | _unreal_ | It starts the packages gui to pick what to install |
| 15:50.03 | _unreal_ | I pick just the basics samba, gnome and a few others and let it go |
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| 15:50.41 | Brigo | _unreal_, if you push alt+F2 or alt+F3 you will see other consoles with information, can you paste it or make a photo and share it? |
| 15:50.44 | _unreal_ | it downloads all the packages, starts installing, gets to the near end then goes back to the root menu for installing debian and says install crashed |
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| 15:51.01 | _unreal_ | computer is not running right now |
| 15:51.08 | _unreal_ | major thunder storm |
| 15:51.15 | _unreal_ | south florida :) |
| 15:51.19 | jaami | oh in real? |
| 15:52.15 | jmcnaught | jaami: if you removed vino that could be why the gnome meta-package was removed |
| 15:52.15 | _unreal_ | http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/southern-florida/weather-radar |
| 15:52.23 | Brigo | _unreal_, ok, can you try to reinstall with less hardward ? or testing the ram with memtest? |
| 15:52.40 | _unreal_ | sure just got to wait for the storm to pass |
| 15:52.54 | _unreal_ | ugh |
| 15:53.18 | jaami | jmcnaught: the problem is that the tap on screen does not send click to server. it was not a problem yesterday |
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| 15:53.58 | jaami | and the refresh rate is too slow , sometimes takes 10 to 30 seconds |
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| 15:55.01 | jaami | i want to remove all updates i made and uninstall vino and tightvncserver , all changes i made in last 3 days |
| 15:55.16 | jmcnaught | jaami: VNC has a "view only mode" maybe that's the problem. also the 10 to 30 second delay is probably better described as "latency" |
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| 15:56.01 | jaami | jmcnaught: thanks alot for the tip viewonly, i must check that first |
| 15:56.08 | _unreal_ | does gnome require opengl 2.0? or higher? |
| 15:56.15 | _unreal_ | gnome 3 |
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| 15:56.53 | jaami | btw, is there a way to tell debian to go back to state 3 days ago |
| 15:56.59 | jmcnaught | jaami: removing vino will remove your gnome metapackages. Using aptitude it might remove gnome completely. Using apt-get it'll tell you all the gnome packages can be autoremoved |
| 15:57.39 | jaami | jmcnaught: the autoremove will remove my gnome, it happened 3 times |
| 15:58.11 | jaami | so, i will use aptitude instead :) |
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| 15:58.43 | jmcnaught | jaami: aptitude will remove gnome too, just leave vino installed and don't use it |
| 15:58.57 | jaami | hmm, that is right |
| 15:59.20 | jaami | thans alot, you stoped me at the right time |
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| 15:59.26 | jaami | thanks a lot **+ |
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| 16:00.15 | jaami | that is the reson i installed tightvncserver but i now check if viewonly mode is selected |
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| 16:01.53 | stripe | hi all is this the right channel for jessie/sid? |
| 16:01.55 | centrx | apt-get remove and apt-get autoremove are dangerous |
| 16:02.07 | centrx | stripe, The more specific channel is #debian-next on OFTC |
| 16:02.50 | stripe | thanks centrix, |
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| 16:05.07 | vassilux | Is there a possibility to add the proxy choise dialog into pressed file ? |
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| 16:08.43 | vassilux | I tried d-i mirror/http/proxy string |
| 16:10.29 | raboof | hmm nm-applet also shows 'gsm_device_added: failed to create D-Bus properties proxy', how can I fix that? I think I don't need any GSM stuff. |
| 16:10.40 | raboof | CRITICAL **: dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name: assertion 'g_variant_is_object_path (path)' failed |
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| 16:30.29 | nymous | anyone familiar with aptly? |
| 16:30.49 | nymous | how do i add a package to specified repo into specified component? |
| 16:31.18 | nymous | seems like i can set default component for whole repo, but not for different packages |
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| 16:41.38 | wulllst | hey there, i just installed debian wheezy on two different machines. both hat the same graphics problem (on different hardware) and i wonder if that is related to X or debian-specific. probably both. |
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| 16:42.53 | centrx | wulllst, There is nothing in common between these two machines, such as the same graphics card? |
| 16:43.12 | wulllst | well, the prblem is that the diplay size is calculated wrong, which means that if I, for example, maximize iceweasel, i wont see the the minimize/maximize/close buttons on the right upper edge of the window. |
| 16:43.35 | wulllst | centrx: no, there graphics cards are different ones: one ati radeon, the other intel |
| 16:43.55 | centrx | I see. Try running X -configure with that monitor |
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| 16:45.24 | wulllst | centrx: ok. i should probably ad that is flat screen (whatever the correct term is) â no a crt. |
| 16:46.03 | centrx | wulllst, Are there any buttons or setting son the monitor about the screen width and height? |
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| 16:46.49 | wulllst | well, i don't see anything. it has a menu for configuration. but there you can just adjust the h- and a-position. |
| 16:47.41 | centrx | That's what I would guess it is from your description |
| 16:47.42 | nymous | if you use latest hardware, you might want to update your kernel from backports and use proprietary drivers |
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| 16:48.02 | wulllst | centrx: btw: on a prior installation debian wheezy on that machine, it worked. |
| 16:48.34 | wulllst | nymous: actually, may hardware is over a decade old â but not broken (tested). |
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| 16:49.16 | nymous | anyway, i prefer to use latest proprietary drivers on my desktop |
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| 16:50.09 | wulllst | centrx: ok, for X -configure, i would have to kill X first, right? |
| 16:50.32 | centrx | Probably |
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| 16:51.30 | wulllst | nymous: my graphics card is an "Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller". I think that should be supported pretty well. |
| 16:52.04 | wulllst | ok, i'll shut doen x for a moment. if it doesn't work out, i'll be back. thnaks so far. |
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| 16:52.38 | mechanicalduck | hi again |
| 16:52.39 | mechanicalduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.51 | mechanicalduck | So it doesn't really matter whether I use keys.gnupg.net or some other "official" key server? |
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| 16:58.33 | mechanicalduck | anyone? |
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| 17:19.51 | deadbot | hi, i'm trying to install virtualbox, but apt tells me that i'm missing libgsoap4, which cannot be installed |
| 17:20.21 | deadbot | i noticed a bugreport on the mailinglist yesterday, but it got deleted it seems, any hints? |
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| 17:21.35 | fcp14 | hello i'm using jessie on my lenovo w540 but after dist-upgrade i can't boot appears thinkpad unsopported brigthness, can i remove the thinkpad_acpi and install the default debian mirrors? |
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| 17:21.40 | fcp14 | how can i solve that? |
| 17:21.45 | fcp14 | regards! |
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| 17:22.39 | jmcnaught | deadbot: Which release are you using? You shouldn't have a problem like that on Wheezy. |
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| 17:23.27 | deadbot | jmcnaught: i'm using debian unstable, some packages on wheezy are too old |
| 17:24.59 | unclezipper | deadbot: That's because they're stable... Are you trying to get Virtualbox from the repos, or downloading from Oracle's website |
| 17:25.00 | petn-randall | deadbot: unstable is ... unstable. Unresolved dependencies are to be expected, and clearly documented. |
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| 17:25.14 | jmcnaught | deadbot: well it's called unstable for a reason :) You'll probably just need to wait for the package to be fixed or become available again. |
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| 17:25.31 | jmcnaught | deadbot: the version of VirtualBox in wheezy-backports is pretty recent no? |
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| 17:25.57 | deadbot | unclezipper: from the repos, petn-randall: i was hoping "unstable" means that some thing need my own work |
| 17:26.15 | deadbot | i used gentoo for 2 years, so i'm kinda used to diy :P |
| 17:26.53 | deadbot | jmcnaught: i didn't mean virtualbox with the "to old packages", i was talking about gnome3 for example |
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| 17:28.55 | petn-randall | deadbot: Unstable means "gets only testing by a few developers before upload, and used as a staging area to run through library transitions" |
| 17:29.18 | jmcnaught | !sns |
| 17:29.19 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 17:29.54 | jmcnaught | deadbot: I use Wheezy with Gnome on my desktop. It works fine, and keeps working every day :) |
| 17:30.14 | unclezipper | deadbot: It looks like libgsoap4 is in the repos too... What sort of error are you getting? |
| 17:30.18 | deadbot | jmcnaught: gnome 3.12 was released in march :D that's not "shiny new shit" :D |
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| 17:31.25 | jmcnaught | deadbot: it's a matter of perspective. People are welcome to use testing and unstable, but it does break. If you don't like that, that's the whole point of Debian Stable. |
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| 17:31.42 | deadbot | jmcnaught: i'm not complaining! |
| 17:32.17 | deadbot | unclezipper: it keeps telling me, libgsoap4 is needed, but can't be installed. apt-cache doesn't list libgsoap4 |
| 17:32.42 | deadbot | unclezipper: and i just did apt-get update |
| 17:33.07 | jmcnaught | deadbot: did you read the sid faq? http://deb.li/sidfaq also #debian-next on irc.oftc.net might be a better place to get support for unstable |
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| 17:33.44 | bakednotfried | deadbot: Check out the wheezy-backports repo if you want newer software |
| 17:33.55 | unclezipper | deadbot: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list? You might also consider just installing the version from Oracle's website |
| 17:34.04 | deadbot | jmcnaught: this is a fresh install, its 10 hours old |
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| 17:34.24 | deadbot | jmcnaught: but i'll ask in #debian-next too, thanks |
| 17:35.01 | deadbot | unclezipper: http://pastebin.com/fUDAD3cc |
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| 17:37.09 | jmcnaught | deadbot: why do you still have the wheezy repos listed? Even though it's a fresh install you should still read the sid faq.. probably before upgrading to sid |
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| 17:37.30 | centrx | All this for a newer version of a crap desktop environment... |
| 17:37.47 | unclezipper | It doesn't even look like there are testing repos there |
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| 17:39.07 | deadbot | jmcnaught & unclezipper : some guide said: "add those two lines to your sources.list" |
| 17:39.09 | sheap | I'm trying to an install via preseed, but I get this error: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/119888/06050678/ |
| 17:39.18 | sheap | any ideas? I'm not really sure where to start |
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| 17:40.16 | deadbot | jmcnaught: but i removed the other lines now, i thought they were necessary for something |
| 17:41.13 | jmcnaught | deadbot: sounds like you should do more research on your own to be honest. On Debian websites, not just "some guide" :) |
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| 17:42.40 | antithesis | Can anyone help me with pm-utils hooks? I've followed the instructions at the Arch Wiki (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/pm-utils#Creating_your_own_hooks), but I don't notice any change |
| 17:43.38 | deadbot | jmcnaught: seems like i wanted to learn it the hard way, but you're right :P |
| 17:44.58 | mechanicalduck | So the official debian repository keys are already added to a base system, right? |
| 17:45.07 | tyho | yes |
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| 17:46.30 | deadbot | thanks for all your help, guys. i'll have to do a reinstall, i think. |
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| 17:48.09 | jmcnaught | deadbot: i would consider using wheezy + backports if you can stand to use gnome 3.4. Or read up on testing/unstable a bit more :) |
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| 17:50.44 | deadbot | jmcnaught: yep, or back to gentoo again ;) |
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| 17:52.25 | jmcnaught | deadbot: what ever floats your boat. Debian is pretty solid, but it also isn't focused on chasing shiny. |
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| 17:53.16 | mechanicalduck | tyho: ah |
| 17:53.33 | mechanicalduck | Is there some kind of pgp-key autodiscovery for (secure) apt repositories? |
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| 17:53.59 | mechanicalduck | I meant to read something about it. That some tools (apt?) are able to find out the right key for a apt repository and install it. |
| 17:54.04 | deadbot | jmcnaught: i was kinda impressed by debian, from the first moment, that's why i use it at work. i'm just trying my luck with oracles binary, because virtualbox is the only thing not working ;) |
| 17:54.35 | tyho | mechanicalduck: I know that the debian mozilla team repo key is in the pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring package, so you can receive it authenticated against debain master key |
| 17:54.43 | jmcnaught | mechanicalduck: third party repositories usually have instructions on adding their key. Careful with third party repos though, stuff might install okay at first, but you also need to think ahead re: "will this upgrade to Jessie smoothly in the future?" |
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| 17:56.24 | unclezipper | It can also be pretty dangerous, otherwise. My friend runs a repo with packages that turn your computer into a proximity mine. It took me hours to get out all the shrapnel |
| 17:56.45 | tyho | mechanicalduck: there are a few that can be found with this: aptitude search "\-keyring" | grep GnuPG |
| 17:57.47 | tyho | jmcnaught: but if their website is served over http, then their insturctions are worthless because the NSA could be rewriting them to give you bad advice |
| 17:58.02 | invader | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.13 | invader | well damn it. |
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| 17:58.48 | mechanicalduck | tyho / jmcnaught: ah, so the keys are distributed as pgp keyrings - in an apt package (typically named '[...]-keyring') ? |
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| 18:00.08 | tyho | mechanicalduck: sometimes . . . |
| 18:00.31 | tyho | Just something I have noticed some repos do |
| 18:00.45 | tyho | as far as I can tell only debian offical repos |
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| 18:02.49 | mechanicalduck | tyho: So in all other cases one would have to install the key manually using apt-key and/or in combination with wget, right? |
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| 18:04.32 | deadbot | unclezipper & jmcnaught : i only added testing to the sources.list and now found libgsoap, after i found that out, i installed virtualbox without any problems |
| 18:04.40 | deadbot | *libgsoap4 |
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| 18:05.18 | wulllst | hi, if X doesn't correctly detect the width of my screen, should i create an xorg.conf using the information from xrandr? |
| 18:05.31 | centrx | Sure that's a good idea |
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| 18:05.56 | wulllst | centrx: but how do i know xrandr'soutput is correct? |
| 18:06.39 | centrx | wulllst, You'll have to try it and find out. It won't damage your hardware, so as long as you can get back to the console and remove the configuration it will be fine |
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| 18:07.20 | yofun | yes,so I am unable to log into sftp using winscp or coreftp, however I can log in using a terminal (sftp) |
| 18:07.32 | wulllst | centrx: ok, then i'll try that |
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| 18:08.16 | mechanicalduck | jmcnaught: So in all other cases one would have to install the key manually using apt-key and/or in combination with wget, right? |
| 18:08.26 | Dirkos | Due some odd reason my server keeps mailing itself which causes my mailserver to generate problems |
| 18:08.36 | Dirkos | anyone who can help me figure out where it is coming from? Using Exim4 |
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| 18:09.02 | wulllst | btw, am i getting this wrong, or is debian actually not really documented well? |
| 18:09.28 | wulllst | i mean, on the one hand, there are these debian handbooks on debian.org |
| 18:09.36 | wulllst | but they seem really out of date. |
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| 18:09.47 | jmcnaught | mechanicalduck: Debian's repos don't distribute keys for third party repos, you'd need to follow the instructions provided by the third-party repo (which wouldn't be supported here). Are you sure you need a third-party repo? What are you trying to install? |
| 18:09.48 | centrx | wulllst, Depends on the topic. X configuration is a general Linux thing that Debian does not document separately |
| 18:09.56 | unclezipper | Is anybody in here familiar with PhantomJS? |
| 18:10.08 | wulllst | on the other hand there's the wiki, which seem to be really chaotic to me. |
| 18:10.12 | centrx | man X |
| 18:10.21 | centrx | wulllst, The man pages are the best documentation |
| 18:10.30 | wulllst | centrx: right, but i mean that as a general question. |
| 18:10.34 | centrx | man xorg.conf |
| 18:10.54 | wulllst | centrx: i mostly use the man pages, if i happen to understand them. |
| 18:11.05 | centrx | Debian creates and improves man pages for packages that don't have them, so that is one way it is better documented |
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| 18:11.29 | basketballl | why does google pay for people to port stuff from other oses to debian |
| 18:11.40 | centrx | wulllst, man pages are the Unix documentation. Everything on the Internet is extra, and the best sources on the Internet are blogs and discussion forums, not pre-made handbooks |
| 18:11.48 | sheap | could anyone help with this preseed error im getting? http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/145964/ubuntu-trusty-preseed-error |
| 18:11.50 | mechanicalduck | jmcnaught: the puppetlabs apt repository (for debian wheezy). Apt complains about non verifiable source / package. So it is because of the missing pgp key. |
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| 18:11.50 | centrx | basketballl, What are you referring to? |
| 18:12.02 | jlim | hey guys |
| 18:12.03 | centrx | wulllst, The Debian Administration book and the Securing Debian book are pretty good as I recall |
| 18:12.07 | mechanicalduck | So I shouldn't use the key / short key variant. |
| 18:12.08 | basketballl | I'm making money by porting all elementary stuff to Debian; Google pays for that. |
| 18:12.13 | mechanicalduck | How can I get the full key for this short key?: 4BD6EC30 |
| 18:12.22 | wulllst | centrx: ok, i didn't know that debian created manpages. so this is mainly a "know-where-to-ask-what" question . |
| 18:12.26 | centrx | basketballl, Is there a website for this program? |
| 18:12.38 | jmcnaught | mechanicalduck: check with puppet then :) Or just use the puppet packages available in Debian. |
| 18:12.39 | wulllst | basketballl: lucky you. |
| 18:13.24 | basketballl | wulllst, centrx not me someone posted in #elementary |
| 18:13.31 | wulllst | centrx: i ment, i didn't know, debian writes extra manpages... |
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| 18:13.38 | mechanicalduck | jmcnaught: yes, I prefer to use the distribution packages. But in this case there isn't a puppet package in desired version. |
| 18:13.52 | mechanicalduck | jmcnaught: In their instructions (http://docs.puppetlabs.com/guides/puppetlabs_package_repositories.html) they don't mention where to get the full key of the apt repository... |
| 18:14.14 | centrx | basketballl, Well that's a pretty vague statement. It could be the Google Summer of Code, where Google pays for many different kinds of open source projects |
| 18:14.20 | jmcnaught | mechanicalduck: that third party repo isn't supported here. Maybe you need to find a puppet channel to ask in |
| 18:14.27 | mechanicalduck | right |
| 18:14.35 | mechanicalduck | trolls itself to #puppet |
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| 18:14.41 | basketballl | centrx, the summer of code how do i sign up |
| 18:14.47 | wulllst | centrx: well, i was just asking this, because i recently used the arch linux wiki a lot, which is a great resoource. but it seems to be simply a different approach. |
| 18:15.22 | basketballl | centrx, the website he was talking about was https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 18:15.35 | centrx | basketballl, Right, so there it is |
| 18:15.59 | basketballl | do they teach you how to code or do you already have to know |
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| 18:16.19 | centrx | You have to already know |
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| 18:16.51 | jlim | 4~anybody know when jessie is scheduled to be released? |
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| 18:17.17 | centrx | jlim, The freeze is scheduled fro November 15, 2014 |
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| 18:17.26 | centrx | jlim, The release is not scheduled, but it will probably be 6-8 months after that |
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| 18:17.53 | jlim | centrx: thanks |
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| 18:18.00 | centrx | Actually Nov 5 |
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| 18:19.20 | jmcnaught | remember remember the fifth of november |
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| 18:20.06 | mowcius | Can anyone tell me why this creates two identical folders with the contents of my CD? |
| 18:20.07 | mowcius | http://pastebin.com/EwqNidsu |
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| 18:20.18 | mowcius | one with a time about 6 seconds after the first |
| 18:20.21 | smyers | They day that Doc Brown fell off his toilet and invented the flux capcitor |
| 18:20.27 | smyers | (November 5, that is) |
| 18:21.49 | smyers | mowcius, not with that, but maybe run it with a set -e in there to see what the shell's actually doing |
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| 18:23.33 | mowcius | a set -e what ? ;) |
| 18:23.40 | mowcius | Kinda new to a lot of this |
| 18:23.47 | sifar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.35 | mowcius | really? |
| 18:25.09 | smyers | Before any of the commands in the script, or really at any point in a shell session, you can run 'set -x' to turn on the command echo, which will print what's being run |
| 18:25.23 | smyers | And yeah, set -e is another thing, set -x is the right one. :) |
| 18:25.31 | smyers | help set to see what other flags there are, and how to use them |
| 18:25.42 | smyers | er... run "help set" |
| 18:26.11 | smyers | and #elementary is a good channel for basic help like this, yes |
| 18:26.32 | smyers | But so is #debian, #fedora, etc |
| 18:27.09 | smyers | there are channels specific to bash, even, but not a lot of users |
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| 18:28.29 | smyers | Looking at that script, though, my best guess for why there are two dirs is "you ran it twice" :) |
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| 18:29.22 | mowcius | As weird as that might sound, you might be onto something there... |
| 18:29.27 | mowcius | let me check halevt |
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| 18:30.08 | smyers | Yeah, I guess to be less personal about it, I could say "it ran twice", but yeah. afaict, that script makes one dir |
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| 18:31.49 | HUZw72 | Hi. Does somebody know the new tool miniLock? |
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| 18:35.59 | mowcius | smyers - you da man ;) |
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| 18:36.18 | mowcius | Right, so I guess I actually get to ask my original question now |
| 18:36.54 | mowcius | Halevt doesn't appear to be playing ball. That script should be running when it detects a data disk - all it does is create the folder. |
| 18:37.03 | akp | hello, i am trying to recompile the wireshark pacakage. whenever i do debian/rules build it fails with a CAP NOT FOUND error. I can build the package with just compile and make |
| 18:37.27 | akp | so how do i get it to make a deb now? or how do i fix the debian/rules build |
| 18:37.30 | mowcius | but when I run the script manually, it works fine (if halevt is enabled then that works as well - at the same time +6 seconds) |
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| 18:45.08 | mowcius | ahh, looks like it might be folder permissions for halevt |
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| 18:47.06 | smyers | akp, did you apt-get build-depends the package first? |
| 18:47.45 | akp | smyers: i can't because apparently some of the -dev deps want to remove packages from my system which would break it |
| 18:47.59 | mechanicalduck | So I need some opinion: There is apt-mirror and aptly. Both can mirror (the official) apt repositories. |
| 18:48.02 | akp | but like i said i can do the ./configure manually. |
| 18:48.11 | mechanicalduck | apt-mirror looks more official to me. |
| 18:48.48 | smyers | akp, right, but the debian/rules file is enabling things according to debian settings, which I assume is making configure break because it can't support a requested --with-option |
| 18:49.07 | smyers | If you want to build a deb, then that's got to be resolved |
| 18:49.32 | akp | smyers: i would agree, but i am pretty sure i am passing ./configure the same options as the rules file is |
| 18:49.36 | smyers | Consider building packages elsewhere, or in docker, or a chroot, or some other clean environment (pbuilder?) |
| 18:50.02 | smyers | You haven't pasted anything actionable, so I'm pretty sure of nothing. |
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| 18:52.33 | akp | debian Pastezone |
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| 18:52.42 | akp | http://paste.debian.net/111058/ |
| 18:52.47 | foo | I have debian + apache + fastcgi + fpm on wheezy. I upgraded recently and I have php 5.4 which broke some stuff. I'm looking to set up php 5.2 on 1 vhost, and having everything else on 5.4 - any guides/tips on how to do this? |
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| 18:54.15 | akp | smyers: it fails because of this i think - -- Performing Test CPP__Wheader_guard_VALID - Failed |
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| 18:57.09 | akp | and i guess its more of a CMake error |
| 18:57.21 | akp | which is why i was asking how to build just the package. |
| 18:57.25 | puffie | so, I installed debian 7 minimal on a VPS because I didn't want bloatware like Apache, but I don |
| 18:57.41 | puffie | t even have basic tools like apropos and visudo. Is there any easy way to install these? |
| 18:57.50 | puffie | "apt-get install visudo" isn't giving me anyhting |
| 18:58.30 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell puffie -about standard task |
| 18:58.50 | Spec | puffie: visudo comes with 'sudo' |
| 18:59.00 | jmcnaught | puffie: "debian minimal" isn't an official debian release, it sounds more like a mutilated custom image provided by your host |
| 18:59.11 | puffie | visudo |
| 18:59.11 | puffie | -bash: visudo: command not found |
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| 18:59.20 | Spec | puffie: do you have sudo? |
| 18:59.30 | puffie | jmcnaught: dang... |
| 18:59.31 | Spec | and is your path set up to include /usr/sbin/ ? |
| 18:59.48 | puffie | Spec, I'm logged in as root (just got the vps, making a user), so I don't know |
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| 18:59.58 | Spec | puffie: okay, you probably don't have sudo installed, would be my guess. |
| 19:00.01 | jmcnaught | puffie: check out the message dpkg bot sent you for instructions on getting standard packages installed |
| 19:00.16 | puffie | installing sudo now |
| 19:00.39 | avri | I've installed django on debian 7 and would like to run mod_wsgi with apache. Python version is 2.7, but sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-wsgi wants to install libpython2.6... |
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| 19:00.44 | puffie | if I want to find which package a command like apropos exists in, what's the easiest way of doing that? |
| 19:00.51 | avri | is there a way to do this without compiling from source? - i.e. libapache2-mod-wsgi that works with python 2.7 ? |
| 19:01.02 | centrx | puffie, dpkg -S apropos |
| 19:01.19 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell puffie -about apt-file |
| 19:01.20 | puffie | centrx: thanks |
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| 19:02.24 | jmcnaught | foo: there probably isn't a supported way of having both php 5.4 and 5.2 installed on the same system. For something like PHP (or anything on a production server really) it's best to stick with the Debian provided packages. The best solution would be to fix the PHP code that doesn't work under 5.4 |
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| 19:03.23 | foo | jmcnaught: appreciate your response. I wish I could do that, but it's a CMS that isn't compatible, and I can't upgrade CMS at this time. Looking for a quick-fix solution/options (until we can upgrade that). hmm. |
| 19:03.56 | puffie | this is a mess, i'm just reinstalling |
| 19:04.02 | jmcnaught | avri: don't compile it from source. I just checked the dependencies on libapache2-mod-wsgi and it requires libpython2.6 and libpython2.7 (meaning it will work with either) |
| 19:04.13 | foo | jmcnaught: tempted to move things to another server with downgraded PHP version, but not sure, that would require DNS updates. Hmph |
| 19:04.16 | jmcnaught | puffie: did you get the messages from dpkg about the standard task? |
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| 19:05.27 | jmcnaught | foo: keep in mind that PHP 5.2 probably isn't getting security updates anymore |
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| 19:06.20 | Mousey | hey! |
| 19:06.22 | Mousey | what's p? |
| 19:06.33 | Mousey | i type "p" at a bash prompt and nothing happens! no error! |
| 19:06.39 | Mousey | p |
| 19:06.41 | Mousey | ??? |
| 19:07.00 | Mousey | oh, it's environmental. nm |
| 19:07.08 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Mousey -about enter |
| 19:07.28 | foo | jmcnaught: thank you, investigating trying to find a fix for this specific module that is having issues |
| 19:07.31 | jhutchins | puffie: Unless you select all of the individual packages yourself, you can't expect a set selected by someone else to exactly meet your needs and not include something you've arbitrarily decided is "bloatware". |
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| 19:08.04 | jhutchins | puffie: If you don't know what's in which package you might not know that a package has a perfectly good reason for being included in a default set. |
| 19:08.08 | puffie | jhutchins: I understand that it's kind of a knock against the OS. I just don't feel that having apache running on post-install startup is necessary |
| 19:08.12 | jmcnaught | foo: maybe contact the commercial CMS provider about why it doesn't run on supported versions of PHP? |
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| 19:08.24 | puffie | I'd prefer something like the OpenBSD default install but, oh well |
| 19:08.30 | puffie | it's not that big of a deal |
| 19:08.34 | jhutchins | puffie: Why do you imagine that that might happen? |
| 19:08.50 | jmcnaught | puffie: apache isn't part of a standard debian install, you have to choose to install it |
| 19:08.57 | jhutchins | puffie: By all means install OpenBSD then. |
| 19:09.13 | foo | jmcnaught: eh, it's old and outdated - our fault |
| 19:09.26 | Vasistha | I'm putting together a new box and would like it to be 4k-capable. No gaming, so slow refresh rates are okay, I just want that resolution and a crisp picture. What graphics cards should I be looking at, which are going to be super-friendly with debian? |
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| 19:11.09 | jhutchins | Vasistha: 4k is a cutting edge concept. Given the cost of the hardware and the limited utility in general computing, it would be surprizing if many Linux developers had the hardawre to develop drivers and software that could use it. You might find something on the web about it, but it certainly hasn't reached mainstream Debian yet. |
| 19:11.58 | puffie | jhutchins: I can't, my options are the ones that the BPS provider offers |
| 19:12.19 | puffie | hmm, maybe my providers have just been modifying the distrs to include apache, then |
| 19:12.27 | Vasistha | jhutchins: ah. Thanks very much for your answer. |
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| 19:13.23 | rytra | What is the best way to allow users to automount and write to removable drives? I have automount working with pmount, but still have to be root to write any files. |
| 19:13.50 | jmcnaught | puffie: see if you can use the VPS management panel to boot from a debian install iso. Or find a better VPS provider. Or see the instructions dpkg sent you about the standard task and read up on what Debian includes with the standard, required and important priorities |
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| 19:15.56 | loner269 | hi |
| 19:18.08 | mechanicalduck | Hm, when mirroring everything, does it make sense to use an apt mirror at all? |
| 19:18.18 | mechanicalduck | I meant apt proxy |
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| 19:21.00 | jhutchins | puffie: A standard debian install of apache requires significant work to configure and enable. It doesn't start up on it's own. |
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| 19:21.32 | puffie | i guess all my VPS providers just assume I want it, then |
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| 19:22.08 | Vasistha | rytra: have you checked the permissions on the directories where you're trying to write? what file systems are you using on these removable devices? |
| 19:22.15 | GLolol | <3 nginx |
| 19:22.16 | GLolol | personally |
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| 19:23.21 | jhutchins | mechanicalduck: Probably not. |
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| 19:24.13 | aramus | Hi there I just cloned my harddrive using the DD command and now when i try to boot up using the original drive it does work and I get the alert dev/disk/by-uuid does not exists. I then booted in recovery mode and made sure the etc/fstab had the correct UUID in it, Which it did |
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| 19:24.26 | rytra | Vasistha: The permissions are 700 each time a drive is plugged in, and it's NTFS. |
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| 19:24.50 | Vasistha | rytra: have you looked at the manpage for mount, and checked out the ntfs-specific options? |
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| 19:26.23 | Vasistha | aramus: when you say "it does work" do you actually mean "it doesn't work"? Is the cloned drive also present in the system, or is it disconnected? |
| 19:26.46 | aramus | Vasistha, i meant it does not work, I apoligize and the cloned drive is not connected to the system |
| 19:27.35 | aramus | it does boot however with the cloned drive connected, I just tried it this second |
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| 19:29.16 | MrAlexandr0 | hi. is there a way to host a webpage/service on your websever that will lett you browse the interwebs trough your homeservers ip-adress. for example. proxy.mydomain.tld/i that wil open as a webpage that looks kind of like a browser. where you can browse using homeserver as a proxy |
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| 19:30.50 | mechanicalduck | Pardon my ignorance - but... |
| 19:30.54 | mechanicalduck | $ gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 2A194991 |
| 19:30.56 | mechanicalduck | $ gpg -a --export 2A194991 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 19:31.02 | mechanicalduck | are any short keys used in these commands? |
| 19:31.19 | mechanicalduck | Or am I totally mislead about this and these string are something different? |
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| 19:31.49 | jhutchins | MrAlexandr0: You can run a proxy server on your home system and use that from a remote system. |
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| 19:32.22 | jhutchins | MrAlexandr0: You can also connect to your home server via ssh and launch a web browser with remote display forwarding (provided you have an x server running). |
| 19:32.45 | MrAlexandr0 | jhutchins: thanks man, i usually do that, but i was thinking more of like this: https://www.zend2.com |
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| 19:33.09 | Subfusc | Vasistha: about 4k video: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=750817 |
| 19:33.26 | mechanicalduck | anyone? :D |
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| 19:33.35 | mechanicalduck | $ gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 2A194991 $ gpg -a --export 2A194991 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 19:33.44 | mechanicalduck | Is there any short key involved in those commands? |
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| 19:34.10 | tyho | MrAlexandr0: somethign like glype proxy? |
| 19:34.13 | MrAlexandr0 | jhutchins: think i found something: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/create-online-proxy-server-minutes/ |
| 19:34.18 | MrAlexandr0 | typho: hah yeah :D |
| 19:34.24 | MrAlexandr0 | tyho :D |
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| 19:34.55 | jhutchins | MrAlexandr0: Well, obviously what they can do you can do, but they're the ones to ask about it. |
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| 19:35.26 | tyho | MrAlexandr0: yeah, thats good if you in an internet cafe, ie, you are unable to install software, but the simplest solution if you are using your own computer is just to tunnel ssh |
| 19:35.56 | MrAlexandr0 | tyho: this is for "webcafe" computer :D |
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| 19:36.16 | tyho | you can do that assuming you have a ssh server on your home computer, by running this on your laptop: $ ssh -D 8080 home.ub.vc |
| 19:36.27 | MrAlexandr0 | oh |
| 19:36.31 | tyho | then configuring your browser to use a socks5 proxy localhost:8080 |
| 19:36.55 | Vasistha | Subfusc: thanks! reading... :") |
| 19:37.01 | tyho | and all web traffic is routed through home.ub.vc |
| 19:38.25 | Subfusc | Vasistha: in short, there is an early implementation of HEVC/H.265/4k/8k (called x265) which VLC can use, and it is being introduced into debian. |
| 19:38.36 | DammitJim | do I not get a proper [user@server ~] because I don't have a .bashrc in the home folder? |
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| 19:39.24 | loner269 | hi DammitJim how ya been |
| 19:39.36 | DammitJim | hey loner269 |
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| 19:39.38 | Vasistha | Subfusc: ahha. Assuming I'm not going to be actually watching any 4k movies-- I just want to use this as a software development box-- how does this effect me? And would it be relevant for doing 1080p video editing on a 4k monitor? |
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| 19:42.12 | loner269 | i finally installed debian took me all night but its installed now problem is i hit it in grub an after i few i get blk screen an white box in center saying out of range or something then goes to sleep but hell im proud of my self for gettin it on here at least lol lol |
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| 19:45.04 | tyho | loner269: what is the exact message it gives you? |
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| 19:45.19 | tyho | and are you able to select a kernel to boot |
| 19:45.23 | tyho | or does it die before then |
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| 19:46.52 | loner269 | dies rite after i hit it in grub an white box said 1920x1200 out of range or something like thay its talkin about my screen an for now im on my manjaro so at least i can get in here |
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| 19:47.55 | tyho | Is the message shown as a text interface or as a graphical interface? |
| 19:48.00 | aramus | it seems to be booting from /deb/sdb now instead of /dev/sda |
| 19:48.02 | sheap | How would I define a new $PATH in a preseed file? |
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| 19:48.44 | loner269 | its a white box in center of screen an its text like were usen now |
| 19:48.57 | tyho | ok, what is the exact message it gives you? |
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| 19:49.59 | loner269 | i told ya best i can i dont remember word for word but its talkin bout my screen then going to sleep |
| 19:50.00 | mort96 | hai! |
| 19:50.44 | tyho | loner269: it sounds like that message is comming from your display, not from your computer. |
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| 19:51.41 | loner269 | last time i got it was on ubuntu when i tryd it an found out it was missin driver or soemthing |
| 19:51.47 | gvincent | !sudo |
| 19:51.47 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 19:52.17 | gvincent | !su |
| 19:52.17 | dpkg | well, su is switch/set user. It is used to change User ID's and/or gain super user access. |
| 19:52.22 | tyho | yes, I think your display driver is causing your graphics card to send bad data to your monitor, can you boot into recovery mode using grub? |
| 19:52.26 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell gvincent -about selftell |
| 19:52.29 | mort96 | so, every time I ssh into my debian server, syslog spams messages |
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| 19:52.45 | gvincent | sorry jmcnaught and thanks |
| 19:52.48 | mort96 | nothing I can make sense out of; empty stack trace, empty call trace, a bunch of hex after "code:" |
| 19:52.55 | mort96 | anyone got any idea what's going on? |
| 19:53.10 | tyho | mort96: post the messages? |
| 19:53.17 | jmcnaught | gvincent: no worries now you know :) you can also search the factoids here: http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/search.php |
| 19:53.19 | loner269 | nope same thing just takes a lil longer to get the box |
| 19:53.31 | gvincent | yes |
| 19:53.38 | mort96 | http://pastebin.com/zTq9et87 |
| 19:53.42 | jere | please correct me if I am wrong: a module package must be able to build against any kernel source tree, not exactly the one installed in /lib/. |
| 19:54.05 | mort96 | it just prints more and more, same style but different string of hex after "code:" |
| 19:54.09 | tyho | loner269: but you are able to start the kernel? It just fails as soon as X starts? |
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| 19:54.41 | mort96 | Message from syslogd@gallifrey at Jul 22 12:07:56 ... kernel:[119472.227692] Oops: 0002 [#1] SMP |
| 19:54.43 | tyho | loner269: press ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 19:54.46 | mort96 | was the first message it sent |
| 19:55.12 | tyho | mort96: are you using stock kernel? |
| 19:55.25 | mort96 | mhm, fresh debian install |
| 19:55.34 | loner269 | normal try i dont know how far it gets b4 note recover /advance what ever it runs words on screen for a lil then i get the blk screen an note in box |
| 19:55.37 | mort96 | happened during a relatively big cp from a wonky disk |
| 19:55.44 | loner269 | im not on it |
| 19:56.11 | loner269 | im on manjaro rite now |
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| 19:56.27 | tyho | loner269: when you are able to, reboot, wait until you get the error message, then hit ctrl-alt-f1 and you should get a login prompt |
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| 19:56.45 | loner269 | ok then what |
| 19:56.47 | meaneye | Changes that broke nVidia driver. Anyone has details on that? |
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| 19:56.51 | mort96 | tyho: any clue what could be wrong and how to fix it? |
| 19:56.53 | tyho | loner269: you have the login prompt? |
| 19:57.09 | tyho | mort96: you should check the sha1sum of your kernal image |
| 19:57.39 | loner269 | no im on manjaro id have to restart comp to try an get on deb |
| 19:57.40 | mort96 | how do I do that? I don't seem to get a working cli |
| 19:57.40 | unclezipper | mort96: Sounds like a hardware problem if it's a stock Debian install |
| 19:57.51 | tyho | loner269: could you do that please |
| 19:58.04 | tyho | mort96: can you use a livecd? |
| 19:58.08 | gvincent | on debian « adduser MyUser sudo » isnât suffisant to allow « MyUser » to connect has root (command: su - ) If I understand it allows MyUser to execute « sudo command ». |
| 19:58.08 | gvincent | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.16 | mort96 | nope, far away from the physical server sadry |
| 19:58.20 | loner269 | yes back soon |
| 19:58.24 | tyho | unclezipper: he mentioned a cp from a dodgey hdd |
| 19:58.40 | unclezipper | mort96: I would get error messages like that when I tried to run Xen on a processor whose microcode wasn't officially supportedby the motherboard |
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| 19:59.10 | jmcnaught | gvincent: when using "su" you use the root password. "sudo" uses the regular user's password. After being added to the "sudo" group, the user needs to log out and log back in. |
| 19:59.10 | unclezipper | tyho: That might be it then. mort96, is the HDD still connected? |
| 19:59.22 | tyho | mort96: I cannot think of a way to fix it wihthout phycical access unless you are able to get a login prompt |
| 19:59.42 | mort96 | it's been running completely stable Ubuntu Server for years until the HDD decided to die, after that I installed Debian to another disk, which it's now running from, and mounted the worky disk |
| 19:59.47 | tyho | mort96: what is your archetetucre? |
| 19:59.56 | mort96 | x86, it's an Intel Xeon |
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| 20:00.04 | tyho | 32bit? |
| 20:00.07 | mort96 | 64 |
| 20:00.20 | tyho | x86_64 ;-) |
| 20:00.21 | gvincent | thank you jmcnaught |
| 20:00.35 | mort96 | still x86 architecture, no? :P |
| 20:00.37 | gvincent | I used the userâs password indeed |
| 20:00.43 | mort96 | just 64 bit edition |
| 20:00.44 | gvincent | not the root password |
| 20:00.45 | tyho | mort96: yeah, but it is ambigious |
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| 20:00.48 | mort96 | true |
| 20:01.04 | tyho | mort96: especially if you are comparing kernal image sums |
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| 20:01.33 | tyho | mort96: anyway, I am all out of ideas unless you have physical access or a login shell |
| 20:01.37 | jhutchins | mort96: No, xeons are ia64. |
| 20:01.38 | mort96 | btw, Apache and an IRC bot is still running smoothly still |
| 20:01.48 | tyho | jhutchins: TIL |
| 20:02.06 | jmcnaught | gvincent: cool. by the way it's easier to follow what you're saying if it's all on a single line (instead of pressing <enter> multiple times) especially when it's busy like this :) |
| 20:02.08 | tyho | jhutchins: wait, what? |
| 20:02.26 | unclezipper | jhutchins: Intel Itanium architecture is really pretty rare |
| 20:02.29 | gvincent | k |
| 20:02.31 | tyho | oh, xeon vs xenon |
| 20:02.34 | tyho | right? |
| 20:02.34 | jhutchins | tyho: Er, Itaniums are, not sure about Xeons.... |
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| 20:02.53 | jmcnaught | Xeons are x86 |
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| 20:03.36 | tyho | jmcnaught: jhutchins wikipedia says IA-32 or x86_64 for xeon |
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| 20:03.54 | Topslakr | Itanium - ia64. Xeons are 32bit or x86_64 |
| 20:04.02 | jmcnaught | tyho: indeed. Xeons aren't the same as Itaniums |
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| 20:04.21 | lostNick | need to speed up my internet, kindly suggest accelerator |
| 20:04.24 | jhutchins | My mistake, brain slow from lunch. |
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| 20:04.55 | jhutchins | lostNick: Google Fiber? |
| 20:05.03 | tyho | mort96: try rebooting |
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| 20:05.34 | mort96 | rebooting could work, but then I'll have to get the cli working over ssh first |
| 20:05.47 | lostNick | i have no idea, that is new thing for me |
| 20:05.47 | lostNick | let me check it please, |
| 20:05.57 | mort96 | I should get one of those fancy things which can press actual hardware buttons over the internet. |
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| 20:06.17 | tyho | mort96: can you not ask the provider to do a reboot? |
| 20:06.23 | jhutchins | lostNick: There really isn't a magic software package that will make a slow connection faster. You can use compression, but you can't control whether whatever's on the other end uses compression. |
| 20:06.30 | mort96 | nope, it's my own server, just not at home atm |
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| 20:06.41 | tyho | mort96: oh, ahh |
| 20:06.48 | jhutchins | mort96: Train the cat. |
| 20:06.59 | mort96 | hmm, I'll get right on that |
| 20:07.14 | tyho | mort96: short of finding 0-day in apache, then you might need to wait untill you get home :-P |
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| 20:07.19 | smyers | I trained my wife to do it... |
| 20:07.24 | smyers | Was easier than training a pet. |
| 20:08.20 | lostNick | jhutchins , sometimes net is 200 times faster and mostly at night time. and there is another reason too. but i am sure net speed can be increased |
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| 20:08.39 | loner269 | im back |
| 20:08.56 | unclezipper | lostNick: Call your ISP and complain |
| 20:09.00 | tyho | lostNick: get a different ISP |
| 20:09.04 | tyho | you have crazy contention |
| 20:09.20 | tyho | loner269: tell me what happens when you hit thoes magic keys |
| 20:09.26 | mort96 | heh, getting a different ISP |
| 20:09.32 | jhutchins | lostNick: Sounds like you have shared bandwidth, that is probably just what you get for that price in your neighborhood. |
| 20:09.50 | tyho | lostNick: country? |
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| 20:10.35 | tyho | lostNick: oh, and the crucial question, do the slow speeds only affect your debian box, or are they the same across other devices |
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| 20:10.57 | loner269 | picked debian in grub saw loadin cernel pls waight then blk screen an note in box and ctrl alt f1 didnt do nada |
| 20:11.12 | tyho | you hit them all at the same time right |
| 20:11.17 | loner269 | yes |
| 20:11.22 | unclezipper | tyho: Hate to go answering other people's questions, but it looks like Pakistan |
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| 20:11.58 | alves84 | Debian have trojan? |
| 20:12.08 | Topslakr | How does one go about installing NVidia drivers in 'Testing'. All the docs I can find online point to packages I don't have available, like nvidia-kernel-dkms. Am I missing a repo? |
| 20:12.35 | unclezipper | alves84: No, but CentOS does :P |
| 20:12.54 | tyho | Topslakr: you wait 5 ish days |
| 20:12.57 | loner269 | unclezipper, im in the usa not over seas |
| 20:13.12 | towo` | Topslakr, or install the drivers from sid |
| 20:13.16 | Topslakr | tyho - ? What is that? |
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| 20:13.25 | tyho | they have been temporarily removed |
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| 20:13.36 | Topslakr | Hmm. How come? |
| 20:13.38 | tyho | towo`: how, becuase I want to know too :-P |
| 20:13.56 | tyho | Topslakr: not entirely sure, something to do with migrating x versions |
| 20:14.14 | tyho | Topslakr: I am without civ5 until they come back |
| 20:14.16 | towo` | put the unstable repo to your sources |
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| 20:14.29 | towo` | then apt-get -t unstable install nvidia-driver |
| 20:14.36 | tyho | towo`: oh yeah, I tried that, tried to pull in about 500MB of dependancies |
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| 20:15.00 | Topslakr | https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 20:15.09 | tyho | loner269: are you sure you already tried to boot the recovery kernel? |
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| 20:15.31 | loner269 | yea |
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| 20:16.00 | loner269 | i end up same way |
| 20:16.01 | tyho | loner269: reboot, when you get to the screen with a list of kernels, press a |
| 20:16.36 | loner269 | ok then what |
| 20:16.41 | tyho | what do you see |
| 20:17.06 | loner269 | im not on it i have to restart when i try an use it |
| 20:17.13 | tyho | do that first |
| 20:17.18 | lostNick | someone somewhere do,have solution for slow speed net but how to find the rightnperson |
| 20:17.18 | loner269 | im askin after a then what |
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| 20:17.44 | loner269 | ok ill be back again |
| 20:17.54 | tyho | then you append the number 1 to the line that you just began to edit |
| 20:17.56 | tyho | then enter |
| 20:18.03 | tyho | that will put you into single user mode |
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| 20:18.40 | towo` | tyho, then he must hit e, not a |
| 20:18.56 | tyho | towo`: oops |
| 20:19.01 | unclezipper | lostNick: You need to call your ISP |
| 20:19.19 | tyho | lostNick: does the problem only affect your debian machine, or everything on your network? |
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| 20:19.42 | lostNick | on tablet when i am downloading a game , i get full speed of internet and when i stop downloading of the game the speed of all other downloads also get slower |
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| 20:19.58 | lostNick | this is very strange thing |
| 20:20.11 | tyho | towo`: does a not work as well? e is edit and a is append? |
| 20:20.33 | mechanicalduck | hi again |
| 20:20.33 | jere | for a kernel module to be portable, it must be able to be compiled against any kernel source, correct? |
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| 20:20.44 | mechanicalduck | I use aptly (http://www.aptly.info/) |
| 20:20.55 | mechanicalduck | I want to let it download only priority: required packages. |
| 20:20.59 | mechanicalduck | How can I do that? |
| 20:20.59 | lostNick | laptop and tablet use same internet and downloading of a specific game increase speed of internet more than 400 times |
| 20:21.05 | mechanicalduck | Because currently it wants to download whopping 40 Gigs |
| 20:22.21 | tyho | lostNick: sound's like your QoS is shit |
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| 20:22.35 | lostNick | oh, yes, that is good idea. most of the time when the file to download has big size then speed of internet increase automaticall |
| 20:22.36 | Subfusc | Vasistha: sorry, I thought you where looking for video playback (which i think is the most common usage?) Is there a reason you can't do that with an nvidia card supporting 4k resolutions? |
| 20:23.25 | lostNick | tyho Qos? what is that |
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| 20:24.00 | tyho | quality of service, the way your ISP prioritizes different types of traffic |
| 20:24.32 | tyho | if the issue persists on non debian devices then it is either the fault of your router or ISP |
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| 20:24.50 | tyho | or if you listen to comcast, then Netflix did it |
| 20:24.54 | jcranmer | a question about the debian installer: |
| 20:25.08 | jcranmer | I'm trying to use the debian installer to inspect what's on the hard disk before I overwrite it |
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| 20:25.42 | lostNick | tyho the non debian device in fact increase speed of internet on debian as well |
| 20:25.44 | jcranmer | so I'm in the interactive shell with no root filesystem, and I tried saying mount /dev/sda2 /media/sda2 [a folder I created], and I get the Device or resource busy message |
| 20:25.55 | jcranmer | but mount indicates that it's not mounted anywhere |
| 20:25.59 | jcranmer | at least not that I can see |
| 20:26.06 | jcranmer | any thoughts? |
| 20:26.26 | tyho | sudo umount /dev/sda2 |
| 20:26.29 | tyho | ? |
| 20:26.42 | jcranmer | can't umount /dev/sda2: Invalid argument |
| 20:26.53 | tyho | file /dev/sda3 |
| 20:26.55 | tyho | *2 |
| 20:27.06 | jcranmer | /bin/sh: file: not found |
| 20:27.20 | jcranmer | I'm in the debian installer, so I don't have all the tools :-) |
| 20:27.21 | tyho | um |
| 20:27.42 | hnrgrgr | Hi people. Does anybody seen my mouse pointer ? Last seen: before login into gdm. Unfortunatly, since last jessie's update, i'm also unable to logout. I miss my mouse pointer. Rewards: cheerful thanks. |
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| 20:28.17 | tyho | are you sure /dev/sda2 is a block device |
| 20:28.18 | jhutchins | jcranmer: The installer's probably not the right tool for that. |
| 20:28.19 | jcranmer | I already inspected /dev/sda1 |
| 20:28.51 | jcranmer | jhutchins: the base install is a CentOS operating system, which refuses to start up because it's blocking on finding an NIS domain which apparently doesn't exist |
| 20:28.58 | jcranmer | the only other media I have is a debian installer |
| 20:29.02 | lostNick | hm, i remember that nick |
| 20:29.13 | jhutchins | jcranmer: Boot centos to single user mode. |
| 20:29.13 | gynter | Hello, any clues what might cause NetworkManager to see my Sony Ericsson Hazel (J20i) as ethernet device not ppp modem? |
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| 20:30.00 | jcranmer | oh $#@!@#ing lovely |
| 20:30.14 | jcranmer | the configuration won't let me boot to a single-user mode |
| 20:30.22 | jcranmer | I need a grub password I don't have :-( |
| 20:30.43 | jhutchins | jcranmer: Heh. |
| 20:30.47 | tyho | jcranmer: I would find a live cd |
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| 20:31.01 | loner269 | ok i tryd recovery it filled my screen with stuf then i ended up like i have been br and i did nada but |
| 20:31.06 | jcranmer | guess I'm going to have to pick up a dvd-r at the store this afternoon |
| 20:31.14 | jcranmer | I have a stack of CD-R |
| 20:31.15 | jcranmer | s |
| 20:31.16 | jhutchins | jcranmer: yeah, or do a minimal install to sda1 and then look at sda2 |
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| 20:31.25 | gynter | Last time when I used phone as modem, I used wvdial manually, but it's no longer present in testing. |
| 20:31.34 | jcranmer | but the ubuntu installer no longer fits on a CD |
| 20:31.42 | jcranmer | jhutchins: /dev/sda1 is a grub partition |
| 20:32.00 | jcranmer | I doubt there's more than a few mb of space there |
| 20:32.04 | jhutchins | !ppp |
| 20:32.05 | dpkg | Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) is a data link protocol frequently used in connecting a dial-up <modem> to the Internet. It is not supported at Debian installation time. To enable on established systems, "aptitude install pppconfig && pppconfig". For more information on Debian's PPP package, "zless /usr/share/doc/ppp/README.Debian.gz". See also <pppoe>, <kppp>, <wvdial>. http://wiki.debian.org/PPP |
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| 20:32.40 | tyho | jcranmer: or a usb stick |
| 20:32.56 | jcranmer | the only USB stick I own is a paltry 40MB |
| 20:33.10 | tyho | damn small linux |
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| 20:33.37 | tyho | shit, it's 50MB |
| 20:33.56 | unclezipper | Tinycore |
| 20:34.18 | tyho | yep |
| 20:34.20 | tyho | that will work |
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| 20:35.06 | jcranmer | sighs at a wasted afternoon of productivity |
| 20:35.21 | jcranmer | well, while I'm here, I've got a totally unrelated other question |
| 20:35.59 | jcranmer | I can't figure out why this install of Debian doesn't have an entry set up for the wireless card |
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| 20:36.07 | loner269 | so what can i type in grub to get it to run for me fxdrake or something ? or forcevga or soemthing i need it to use something other than nouvoo or how ever ya speel it |
| 20:36.09 | tyho | jcranmer: no drivers |
| 20:36.14 | tyho | jcranmer: lspci |
| 20:36.16 | jcranmer | it should have one |
| 20:36.19 | tyho | then find out the chipset |
| 20:36.26 | jcranmer | iwlwifi should work IIUC |
| 20:36.27 | tyho | add contrib and non-free repos |
| 20:36.32 | jcranmer | and it is installed and modprobe'd |
| 20:37.20 | tyho | what is your chipset? |
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| 20:37.40 | jcranmer | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (rev 35) |
| 20:38.07 | jcranmer | I see it on the debian iwlwifi list |
| 20:38.14 | tyho | yeah it is |
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| 20:38.39 | tyho | have you installed firmware-iwlwifi? |
| 20:38.51 | jcranmer | hmm |
| 20:39.09 | jcranmer | E: Package 'firmware-iwlwifi' has no installation candidate |
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| 20:39.21 | tyho | jcranmer: you need to add contrib and non-free to sources.list |
| 20:39.34 | tyho | well, just non-free really |
| 20:39.41 | jcranmer | ah, I have main and contrib but not non-free |
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| 20:40.14 | jcranmer | installs |
| 20:40.44 | tyho | # modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi |
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| 20:41.35 | gynter | jhutchins: that wasn't really my question, it was more like NM doesn't see my phone as dial-up modem |
| 20:41.44 | loner269 | ill be back later i need to go to the store |
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| 20:45.01 | Danielss89 | Hhi |
| 20:45.08 | Danielss89 | http://pastebin.com/akNmV7jb <â why wouldnât this chmod work :S |
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| 20:45.54 | jhutchins | Danielss89: Let's see if pastebin.com is blocked this week... |
| 20:46.10 | HyP3r | hi all, I'm trying to blacklist the kernel module ehci_hdc but it doesnt work |
| 20:46.18 | Danielss89 | jhutchins: blocked? |
| 20:46.23 | _unreal_ | ok starting the install again of debian on this computer of mine |
| 20:46.25 | Brigo | Danielss89, and what is the problem? |
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| 20:46.34 | Danielss89 | Brigo: It doesnât do the chmod |
| 20:46.37 | Brigo | HyP3r, what did you try? |
| 20:46.37 | Danielss89 | and no error |
| 20:46.47 | HyP3r | I created the file ehci_hdc.conf in the folder /etc/modprobe.d |
| 20:46.47 | Brigo | Danielss89, what chmod? |
| 20:46.49 | _unreal_ | with luck it will stop Tstorming for a bit |
| 20:46.58 | tyho | jcranmer: did it work? |
| 20:46.59 | HyP3r | Wrote in this file this: blacklist ehci_hdc |
| 20:47.08 | Danielss89 | Brigo: chmod 400 id_rsa |
| 20:47.09 | jhutchins | Danielss89: Not a writable filesystem? |
| 20:47.13 | HyP3r | Then I run depmod -ae and update-initramfs -u |
| 20:47.18 | Danielss89 | jhutchins: should be :S |
| 20:47.24 | HyP3r | But after a reboot this kernel module is back again :( |
| 20:47.31 | Danielss89 | jhutchins: i can touch files no problem |
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| 20:50.01 | jcranmer | tyho: yep |
| 20:50.05 | tyho | awesome |
| 20:50.09 | HyP3r | Brigo: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/106716/wheezy-how-to-actually-blacklist-ehci-hcd |
| 20:50.10 | jcranmer | I was trying to get the PEAP stuff set up |
| 20:50.12 | HyP3r | I should cry :( |
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| 20:50.26 | jcranmer | and whatever gui manager this install is using just isn't liking it |
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| 20:55.39 | Brigo | HyP3r, from your link, did you try install ehci_hcd /bin/false ? |
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| 20:56.48 | lostNick | i came to know that my isp is using some customer rating and based in that rating speed is distributed. its discrimination clearly |
| 20:57.37 | gynter | comcast :P ? |
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| 20:57.46 | jmcnaught | lostNick: that's too bad, but's it's also not really on topic for #debian |
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| 20:58.20 | lostNick | thanks a lot just wanted to share my thoughts before sleeping dead |
| 20:58.28 | lostNick | :) |
| 20:58.48 | lostNick | gynter , ty |
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| 20:59.46 | tekk | hi guys iâm following the instructions at https://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort/CuBox-i but just wondered what the rootfs credentials would be after? |
| 20:59.55 | tekk | debian/debian ? |
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| 21:00.25 | HyP3r | Brigo: no... |
| 21:00.32 | drvy | Hi, Ive installed kde-full a while ago, now, when I try to remove some of the apps that came with it, apt-get will also attempt to remove kde-full making autoremove to mark as unnecessary almost everything... is there a way to remove only one package from kde-full install without removing it entirely ? |
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| 21:03.55 | jmcnaught | drvy: not really. you could use one of the smaller kde meta packages instead, or if you really don't want to use a meta package then you would need to mark all the packages you want to keep as manaully installed (apt-get install <list of packages>) |
| 21:04.04 | Brigo | drvy, no, but you can safely remove kde-full pacakge and then mark like manual the packages you need |
| 21:04.22 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell drvy -about install kde |
| 21:04.32 | Brigo | too slow :( |
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| 21:04.55 | drvy | Thank you guys |
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| 21:07.22 | rommy | hi - i'm having some trouble with the exim package. Namely that I messed up the config and sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4 (while it asked me all new questions) wouldn't update or rewrite the config files... |
| 21:07.47 | rommy | so I deleted /etc/exim4/ - and now that the folder doesn't exist it doesn't get created |
| 21:08.25 | rommy | I've tried manually making the folders and dpkg-reconfigure runs but no files are created. if i remove the package and install it again (apt-get remove and apt-get install) /etc/exim4/ is still not created |
| 21:08.28 | rommy | am I missing something? |
| 21:08.43 | p14nd4 | rommy: try purge instead of remove |
| 21:08.45 | unclezipper | rommy - try apt-get purge exim4 |
| 21:08.46 | p14nd4 | and then install? |
| 21:09.00 | rommy | trying now, thanks |
| 21:09.10 | jmcnaught | !confmiss |
| 21:09.11 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 21:13.01 | rommy | !ucf confmiss |
| 21:13.03 | dpkg | If you need to restore a deleted config file in a package that is using <ucf> to manage its configuration files, use "UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=true aptitude reinstall $packagename". List the configuration files managed by ucf with "ucfq $packagename". If the package doesn't use ucf then ask me about <confmiss>. |
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| 21:19.19 | rommy | well i cant seem to get the above steps to work so... i'm just grabbing the folder from another system |
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| 21:22.24 | formorer | what is the recommended way with systemd to create a directory in /var/run to allow an unprivileged process to store its pidfile? |
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| 21:24.19 | babilen | formorer: Maybe its enough to simply specify PIDFile in the unit file (cf. http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html ) |
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| 21:25.10 | formorer | "systemd will not write to the file configured here." |
| 21:25.23 | formorer | the process needs to write the pidfile. |
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| 21:25.39 | babilen | Ah, right. Sorry for the wrong direction. |
| 21:26.04 | formorer | http://blog.hqcodeshop.fi/archives/93-Handling-varrun-with-systemd.html - something like this would work... |
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| 21:27.02 | uforek | so i touched on this earlier -- does anyone have knowledge of efi support in debian jessie? |
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| 21:29.00 | alves84 | exit |
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| 21:37.59 | uforek | is there a reason the debian jessie installer would suggest and ultimately "guide" a partition to gpt/efi if im using a legacy bios? |
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| 21:47.35 | Frogging101_ | If I want to take my Debian VM and put it into a real HDD partition to run as an actual OS, is it as trivial as shutting it down and cloning the disk image into the partition? |
| 21:47.52 | Frogging101_ | or do I have to do something else to make sure it doesn't asplode? |
| 21:48.24 | Vasistha | Subfusc: does nouveau support 4k? |
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| 21:48.34 | Vasistha | Subfusc: or would I have to use the proprietary nvidia driver? |
| 21:48.48 | oxez | uforek: I had that happen, on my system when I choose the device to boot from, I can choose either DVD or UEFI DVD, if I pick UEFI DVD debian will setup GPT partitions, if not it setups MBR partition, does that ring a bell for you? |
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| 21:50.30 | Vasistha | Frogging101_: if I were you I would just try it ... in my experience, debian is pretty flexible about booting from the same device with different surrounding hardware configurations. you might need to edit /etc/fstab and set up grub |
| 21:50.42 | Frogging101_ | Okay |
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| 21:51.18 | Frogging101_ | Yeah I'll have to set up GRUB... that could be an adventure given that I can't recall ever setting it up manually before |
| 21:51.44 | avri | I get a "'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 0-3: ordinal not in range(128)" - I assume I need to get postgresql to allow storing Latin/Hebrew character set - http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/multibyte.html - how do I do this on debian? |
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| 21:54.55 | tharkun | avri: /j #postgresql @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 21:56.55 | avri | thanks |
| 21:58.06 | boycottg00gle | avri: see also man pg_createcluster and man createdb |
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| 21:59.02 | boycottg00gle | avri: afair your default locale settings will be used on installation / creation of the initial cluster |
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| 22:01.52 | uforek | oxez, unfortunately my options when selecting the device to boot from is only limited to my only hard drive and the usb drive, no options available. |
| 22:02.20 | uforek | oxez, whats my frustrating is that the hardware should support legacy bios (checked windows logs and it shows windows detecting BIOS) |
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| 22:02.52 | uforek | oxez, it also setup NTFS parts to boot from not EFI (in windows) -- so when i did the debian install, i was shocked to see it creating EFI part. |
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| 22:03.13 | uforek | oxez, it doesn't give me any options as to how the devices are to be booted... UEFI or BIOS. |
| 22:04.14 | uforek | oxez, i should recap that when i couldn't resolve this issue i had to reinstall w7 (no other computer available right now to troubleshoot on) |
| 22:04.24 | oxez | uforek: That option for me was not from the Debian dvd, but from the BIOS boot order |
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| 22:04.41 | uforek | yeah, my boot order doesnt provide me those options |
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| 22:04.50 | oxez | What's your motherboard? |
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| 22:04.57 | uforek | its literally (hard drive whatever, usb drive whatever) |
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| 22:05.32 | uforek | i'm using a laptop, no idea of the vendor of the mb -- its an acer aspire 5560-SB613. |
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| 22:06.45 | uforek | i swapped the mechanical drive for a ssd -- no idea if that had any play in the problem. |
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| 22:07.54 | uforek | theres a couple of known issues with my particular laptop model and some others with black screens and some proprietary nightmares with the wifi nic and GPU, but never this kind of thing. |
| 22:07.57 | somiaj | it shouldn't, the issue is configuring your bootloader to match the mode your laptop is set in. Windows sometimes does something funky, but you have to be careful how you boot the installer, that totally effects what modes you can use |
| 22:08.37 | candel | I'll have you know that I just resized /, created to new partitions for usr and opt, and created the new mountpoints and I only red MoveMountPointHowTo 17 times *tsk* |
| 22:08.57 | uforek | thats what i gathered -- but what puzzles me is: wouldn't the installer *know* how i booted and thus guide me with the proper partition types and such? |
| 22:10.16 | uforek | what im assuming is that when i use F12 to select boot device, it must default to legacy bios mode but the installer detects support for uefi and defaults to those guidelines? |
| 22:10.53 | oxez | Guess I am lucky to have something that lets me boot as uefi or not :p |
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| 22:11.50 | uforek | i've been trying to get my hands on the firmware -- another issue outside the scope is using the optical drive's sata connectors for a secondary HD freaks the firmware out during boot. |
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| 22:13.12 | uforek | if i could afford another laptop i'd office space this one in my backyard. |
| 22:13.31 | gjvc | hi. i'm running jessie/sid and just done a dist-upgrade, and my x11 fonts are no longer anti-aliased. it's like 1996 up in here. what's the quickest way to fix it? |
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| 22:15.57 | uforek | quick question, is the 100MB part nessesary, if im only using 1 os, for boot? |
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| 22:17.03 | Nik05 | gjvx whay did you upgrade? |
| 22:17.25 | Nik05 | gjvc * or whay did you remove? |
| 22:17.50 | BluesKaj | debian-kde installed fine on this laptop with intel graphics, but not so on our desktop with nvidia graphics and X appears to be broken. Altho the nouveau driver is installed kdm fails to launch the login page, ...any ideas ? |
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| 22:18.24 | uforek | BluesKaj, did you check the Xorg logs? |
| 22:18.32 | wulllst | hi there, i just installed lxde-core for testing purposes and it installed a whole lot of dependencies. then, after having seen what i wanted to see, i did "apt-get purge lxde-core". but what happened was: apt just removed the lxde-core package and nothing else. |
| 22:18.51 | ckuehl | wulllst: try apt-get autoremove |
| 22:19.11 | wulllst | ckuehl: no luck there. and normally, apt would tell you to use autoremove |
| 22:19.41 | Nik05 | some other packwges probably have ot recommended or suggested |
| 22:19.52 | BluesKaj | yes uforek , all i could find was kdm failing and no screens found due to X failing |
| 22:20.33 | Nik05 | i disabled the dependecies on suggested packages, maybe that is what you want to |
| 22:20.52 | uforek | BluesKaj, nothing in your logs showing why X failed? |
| 22:20.59 | wulllst | Nik05: what can i do now? Is there a way to find all things installed as dependencies of lxde-core and get rid of them? |
| 22:21.17 | BluesKaj | uforek, nothing |
| 22:21.23 | Nik05 | wulllst in the logs? |
| 22:21.38 | wulllst | right, the logs. |
| 22:22.01 | zykotick9 | wulllst: /var/log/apt/history.log may shed some light |
| 22:22.22 | wulllst | zykotick9: thanks |
| 22:22.32 | uforek | BluesKaj, perhaps doing a grep on all your logs for clues to why xorg failed to load? |
| 22:23.11 | Nik05 | wulllst and with aptitude why you can find out why they are still installed |
| 22:23.58 | BluesKaj | uforek, I read on the forums that debian has problems with nvidia graphics ,, no drivers available in the repos |
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| 22:24.24 | wulllst | Nik05: ok, i'll try that |
| 22:25.31 | Zipf | are we allowed to post links in here ? i'm asking cause i'm following a tutorial to set auto mount on my second HD on debian, but i have a doubt at some point |
| 22:25.36 | Nik05 | and if it are suggest, then you can disable seeing suggests as a dependency if you want |
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| 22:25.56 | Nik05 | Zipf depends on the link |
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| 22:26.33 | gjvc | Nik05: ? |
| 22:26.34 | Nik05 | but if its not offtopic, wouldnt be a problem |
| 22:26.51 | Zipf | no its not offtopic |
| 22:27.04 | Nik05 | gjvc you asked something some time ago |
| 22:27.23 | gjvc | yeah i didn't understand your rsponse |
| 22:27.40 | wulllst | Nik05: well these things are obviously not removed because they depend on dconf-gsettings-backend, which i had installed prior when installing the mate desktop environement. |
| 22:27.47 | uforek | Zipf, auto-mount as in modifying /etc/fstab? |
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| 22:28.06 | Zipf | uforek yes |
| 22:28.24 | uforek | Zipf, what of it? |
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| 22:28.44 | Nik05 | wulllst they depend on dconf... or does dconf... depend on tbose? |
| 22:28.57 | Zipf | im new to linux, been palyin with for the last 3 days only |
| 22:29.02 | BluesKaj | uforek, this is a brand new clean install. This pc has never had Debian installed on it so I'm thinking this could be a HW recognition problem and there isn't a lot in the logs |
| 22:29.02 | Nik05 | gjvc what packages were upgraded/removed? |
| 22:29.15 | Zipf | i understead the part i have to check uuid |
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| 22:29.22 | Zipf | but i have a doubt about a command |
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| 22:29.45 | Zipf | let's say |
| 22:29.50 | Nik05 | Zipf just ask your question with the link |
| 22:29.57 | uforek | BluesKaj, if you think it may be a driver issue -- perhaps dig in that direction, test the driver with its utilities, etc.. |
| 22:30.28 | wulllst | Nik05: well, honestly i'm a bit confused about that. dconf-gsettings-backend is, for example, listed as a dependency of gnome-keyring, which was installed as a dependency of lxde-core. |
| 22:31.00 | wulllst | Nik05: i should probably add that met-core was installed from wheezy backports. |
| 22:31.12 | Nik05 | are you turning around the dependencies? |
| 22:31.17 | uforek | wulllst, perhaps what happend was the packages were updated for lxde-core? |
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| 22:31.24 | Zipf | ok, question is: what is my {/path/to/mount/point} ? i mean, how do i know mine ? |
| 22:31.26 | Zipf | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-finding-using-uuids-to-update-fstab/ |
| 22:31.39 | BluesKaj | uforek, yes thanks . I'll look into it tomorrow...dinnertime here |
| 22:32.03 | Nik05 | Zipf tou can choose where your device gets mountes |
| 22:32.31 | wulllst | uforek: the log says "Install" |
| 22:32.32 | uforek | Zipf, when you want to mount a device you need to have a mount point established first, ie: mkdir /mnt/newdevice |
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| 22:32.49 | wulllst | uforek: i suppose it's a backportsrelated issue. |
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| 22:34.03 | Zipf | ok |
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| 22:34.27 | wulllst | let's see what happens when i get rid of mate-core. |
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| 22:34.45 | uforek | im curious though, if, for example, you installed software that needed updated packages previously installed, if after you removed the software, would autoremove downgrade the packages back for you? |
| 22:34.48 | uforek | i'm assuming not |
| 22:34.52 | Zipf | that /mnt/newdevice , the /newdevice can be the name i gave it ? for example mkdir /mnt/DATA ? |
| 22:35.06 | uforek | Zipf, yes. |
| 22:35.21 | Nik05 | wulllst check why the packages are still installed with aptitude why, doesnt always give the correct answer thouh. packages with essental or required priority dont get autoremoved. and there are also some packages listed in a configuration file which arent automatically removed |
| 22:36.16 | Zipf | ok so for me it would be like UUID=xxxxx /mnt/DATA ext4 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 22:36.23 | Zipf | that's correct ? |
| 22:36.28 | uforek | Zipf, yes |
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| 22:36.37 | Zipf | great, i'll try asap |
| 22:36.45 | Nik05 | packages like kerner images arent autoremoved. but also oldlib packages, why no idea I removed those from the configuration |
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| 22:37.39 | _1_keren86 | hi |
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| 22:37.58 | uforek | whelp, im about to scrap this w7 fresh install for another stab at debian jessie, hopefully ironing out this UEFI/BIOS mode disaster. |
| 22:38.02 | Nik05 | oh and sometimes there is a bug in which packages are marked manually when they werent actually. old some configiguration(which i removed) that kust pits some packages on manual installed |
| 22:38.11 | uforek | wish me luck! |
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| 22:39.27 | wsl38 | is it true that freebsd is more security-concious by default than debian? i don't know much about BSDs but see that claim in their channel often |
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| 22:40.22 | unclezipper | wsl38: Not really |
| 22:40.58 | Arrowmaster | i think that claim only covers the base system and not any of the additional packages software so no |
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| 22:41.39 | unclezipper | The BSD kernel has many more errors per portion of code than Linux, in any event... I can't remember the stats on it, but there was a study about it not too long ago |
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| 22:43.26 | Otto- | hi. Which repository do I need to install virtualbox on jessie amd64? |
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| 22:44.10 | nkuttler | !tell Otto- about contrib |
| 22:44.17 | wsl38 | thanks |
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| 22:44.52 | Otto- | nkuttler: I already have this one. Doesn't it fit? deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 22:44.54 | nkuttler | Otto-: you might also want non-free, not sure about the kernel stuff. or just use libvirt |
| 22:45.08 | unclezipper | wsl38: Don't let that scare you away from FreeBSD though, it has its uses |
| 22:45.10 | nkuttler | ,v virtualbox |
| 22:45.19 | judd | Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.12-dfsg-1~bpo70+1; sid/contrib: 4.3.12-dfsg-1 |
| 22:45.36 | Otto- | that's on i386 |
| 22:45.42 | nkuttler | Otto-: ah, it's not in testing right now. #debian-next on the oftc irc network for testing support |
| 22:45.49 | zykotick9 | Otto-: and there is no jessie listed... |
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| 22:46.33 | Otto- | is it reasonable to download the .deb for wheezy on virtualbox.com? |
| 22:47.14 | Otto- | nkuttler: that channel is invite only |
| 22:47.20 | nkuttler | !tell Otto- about oftc |
| 22:47.25 | Arrowmaster | just install the sid version |
| 22:47.37 | Arrowmaster | or use libvirt |
| 22:47.42 | nkuttler | libvirt++ |
| 22:47.54 | Otto- | Arrowmaster: how do I get this version? |
| 22:48.00 | Otto- | not listed in virtualbox.com |
| 22:48.02 | wsl38 | unclezipper: like what? besides servers |
| 22:48.12 | wsl38 | unclezipper: debian is a good server OS too |
| 22:48.24 | nkuttler | Otto-: neither virtualbox.com packages nor testing are supported here |
| 22:48.32 | unclezipper | wsl38: ZFS |
| 22:48.45 | nkuttler | Otto-: personally, i would not install third party packages |
| 22:48.51 | unclezipper | But that's still in the server realm |
| 22:49.55 | Otto- | nkuttler: that channel you told me is on this oftc network? |
| 22:50.00 | nkuttler | Otto-: yeah |
| 22:50.10 | nkuttler | Otto-: all official debian channels are |
| 22:50.25 | Otto- | hmm, thanks. I thought this one was the official |
| 22:50.37 | nkuttler | nah, just the biggest ;) |
| 22:50.38 | Nik05 | was |
| 22:50.52 | Nik05 | or wasnt it? |
| 22:50.59 | nkuttler | !tell Nik05 about oftc move |
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| 22:51.24 | nkuttler | Nik05: yeah, before that irc.debian.org pointed to freenode |
| 22:51.25 | wsl38 | unclezipper: thanks for the info |
| 22:52.02 | Nik05 | yep it was Otto- so you were correct |
| 22:52.16 | Otto- | ok, I'll go there. Thanks |
| 22:52.16 | nkuttler | well, many years have passed since |
| 22:52.32 | Otto- | damn, this web client is weird |
| 22:52.58 | Otto- | lol, I'm using freenode web client and trying to connect to oftc |
| 22:53.06 | Nik05 | you can also be at both, althouh i always forget there is ann #debian and offtopic on oftc as well |
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| 23:00.39 | cerebro | . |
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| 23:04.37 | AlexLikeRock | hola |
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| 23:05.35 | AlexLikeRock | como puedo saber si mi chip grafico nesesita nvidia version 304.117 o 173.14.35 o 96.43.23 |
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| 23:06.22 | Nik05 | mag het in het nederlands? |
| 23:06.29 | AlexLikeRock | ingish !??!? |
| 23:06.34 | AlexLikeRock | sorry about |
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| 23:07.25 | AlexLikeRock | how to now, if i need nvidia 304.117 OR o 173.14.35 OR 96.43.23 to my GRAFIC-chipset ?? |
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| 23:28.41 | viccuad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:31.55 | zykotick9 | viccuad: my guess, would be "libgtk-3-dev - development files for the GTK+ library" |
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| 23:33.20 | viccuad | zykotick9: thanks! weird. it does not show on my synaptic searches, but it shows when apt-getting |
| 23:34.26 | viccuad | seems like a metapackage with all the -dev packages in the world |
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| 23:36.17 | s34n | I have a service that fails with exit code 127 when I start it using systemd. When I run the same command manually, it works. |
| 23:37.23 | Brigo | s34n, so you are using jessie, i guess |
| 23:38.38 | s34n | Brigo: no |
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| 23:39.10 | Mousey | 127 is the magical code for "file not found" |
| 23:39.18 | Mousey | it's looking for a file that isn't there |
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| 23:40.35 | s34n | but I run the exact same command manually and it works |
| 23:42.30 | heurist | s34n: what does systemctl status <servicename> say? |
| 23:43.24 | s34n | It says the command exited with status 127 |
| 23:43.49 | s34n | the ExecStartPre commands completed ok |
| 23:44.02 | heurist | s34n: wrong permissions? wrong user? |
| 23:44.05 | s34n | but it chokes on the ExecStart command |
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