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| 00:01.44 | SirLagz | _unreal_: nope, gave up on that machine for now. Found out that one of my VM hosts HDD is dying so fixing that first |
| 00:02.20 | _unreal_ | ouch |
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| 00:02.36 | SirLagz | _unreal_: yep. Pain. in. The. Ass. |
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| 00:02.44 | _unreal_ | ya saddly I dont know where my paper is any more. I'll take one more look see if I can find a page with the info |
| 00:02.51 | SirLagz | _unreal_: sure thing, thanks ! |
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| 00:07.46 | atannus | Hi, I just ran upgrade and gnome is acting up: Dual displays seems to have had its configurations "reset" and I can't apply changes to the Display configuration screen with error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: No such method 'ApplyConfiguration'. Have I done something wrong? |
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| 00:11.16 | lanodan | How do I add a GPG to apt ? |
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| 00:16.25 | _unreal_ | SirLagz, http://www.softpanorama.org/Commercial_linuxes/LVM/recovery_of_lvm_partitions.shtml kind of talks about it |
| 00:16.45 | _unreal_ | where it says enter the command: vgscan |
| 00:16.51 | _unreal_ | you can go from there |
| 00:17.37 | _unreal_ | vgscan to find the volume, then vgchange to change to the volume and make it active, then you can fsck |
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| 00:21.07 | atannus | Is anyone else having issues with gnome on jessie? |
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| 00:26.35 | abrotman | atannus: need more details |
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| 00:27.22 | atannus | abrotman, sure, what? |
| 00:27.36 | _unreal_ | ok could use a hand I just installed debian on an other computer, I didnt relize that I had a second hard drive in and it made it so I couldnt install grub. how would I go about installing GRUB on the hard drive even though I have already installed debian minus grub. with out having to redo every thing? |
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| 00:27.47 | _unreal_ | do I just need to boot from the debian cd? |
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| 00:29.16 | atannus | abrotman, Dual screens appear to have been "reset" to the state of a fresh install (they're swapped around), and when I try to configure them in the Display settings I get an error. |
| 00:30.20 | atannus | "Failed to apply configuration" GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: No such method 'ApplyConfiguration' |
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| 00:31.28 | atannus | abrotman, I just ran apt-get upgrade followed by aptitude dist-upgrade. Many extensions have failed (incompatible with shell version), so I disabled and removed them. |
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| 00:39.18 | bhag | how to resolve apt-get update breakage --> Err http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid/main python2.7 armhf 2.7.3-5 |
| 00:39.18 | bhag | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.18 | bhag | Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sqlite3/libsqlite3-0_3.7.14.1-1_armhf.deb 404 Not Found |
| 00:39.31 | tapout | is vsftpd, still the end-all-be-all for ftpd ? |
| 00:40.22 | themill | bhag: sounds like you need to apt-get update. |
| 00:40.31 | abrotman | tapout: if you must .. it's a good optoin |
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| 00:40.51 | bhag | themill: apt-get update is causing the issue |
| 00:41.10 | tapout | abrotman, i need users to be able to ftp. I've always used vsftpd but figured I would ask if somethign else is on everyones radar |
| 00:41.20 | themill | bhag: no |
| 00:43.34 | bhag | themill: please check the logs http://pastebin.com/QHJ5Q2Au |
| 00:43.56 | themill | dpkg: tell bhag about pastebin.com |
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| 00:44.18 | themill | that's not the error message that you showed earlier |
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| 00:44.52 | bhag | themill: how can i resolve it |
| 00:44.57 | bhag | > |
| 00:44.59 | bhag | ? |
| 00:45.17 | themill | what's the output of "date" you your machine? |
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| 00:48.19 | atannus | It's really gone bonkers... I guess I'll move to xfce for the time being.... |
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| 00:49.49 | meaneye | Hey guys, I just updated and now my cursor's gone on my tiling window manager. |
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| 00:49.55 | meaneye | Anyone knows what's with that? |
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| 00:50.48 | atannus | meaneye, no, but I'm having trouble with gdm |
| 00:51.29 | meaneye | What's whit these updates. |
| 00:51.37 | meaneye | Past two days everything is broken |
| 00:51.56 | abrotman | meaneye: testing/unstable? |
| 00:52.15 | meaneye | Yes. |
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| 00:52.23 | abrotman | have you checked the BTS? |
| 00:53.12 | meaneye | Nope. |
| 00:53.18 | meaneye | Didn't expect this. I know I did stupid. |
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| 00:53.31 | meaneye | But, now I can barely do anything considering I don't have a freaking mouse. |
| 00:54.11 | somiaj | meaneye: well debug, try to figure out what isn't working (this is the fun of testing/unstable). But /var/log/Xorg.0.log is a good place to start looking for X related stuff |
| 00:54.34 | meaneye | somiaj, I wish I could do that. |
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| 00:54.43 | meaneye | Also funny thing is, cursor is there in login window. |
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| 00:54.56 | somiaj | why can't you, if you can't deal with a broken X and boot up into a console you probably shouldn't be running testing/unstable |
| 00:55.37 | somiaj | if not even ctrl-alt-f1 will get you to a login console, sounds like you need recovery media to go disable your display manager while you debug this. |
| 00:56.02 | meaneye | I can deal with it just fine. No need to be rude about it. |
| 00:56.10 | meaneye | Thanks for no help. |
| 00:56.14 | gjvc | hey meaneye |
| 00:56.20 | gjvc | same problems here man |
| 00:56.32 | gjvc | my fonts are wacked |
| 00:56.41 | meaneye | gjvc, may I ask which window manager you are using? |
| 00:56.45 | gjvc | fluxbox |
| 00:56.52 | meaneye | Am on i3. |
| 00:57.04 | meaneye | Am gonna jump into default session and check if everything's fine there. |
| 00:57.08 | meaneye | Brb! |
| 00:57.17 | gjvc | it's the fonts in chrome which i care about |
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| 01:01.28 | shamraine | j unixcod |
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| 01:03.39 | somiaj | I ahve some trouble with fonts in FVWM, but it is only FVWM fonts which are giving me trouble, every other app is just fine |
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| 01:05.31 | meaneye | So horribly broken. :/ |
| 01:05.47 | atannus | meaneye, same here... |
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| 01:07.08 | somiaj | meaneye: is it the display manager, maybe first thing to look up in the bts. Things mostly work here in sid, I have some extra small fonts in FVWM decorations but most apps work fine |
| 01:07.55 | meaneye | So everything runs fine but I don't have a cursor on screen. |
| 01:08.07 | meaneye | It's there, I can click... select. Just no visual on it. |
| 01:08.39 | atannus | so, you guys are not using gnome? |
| 01:09.04 | meaneye | In my case it's a hybrid. I have i3 window manager but I do start gnome session. |
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| 01:09.27 | atannus | why do you do that? |
| 01:09.47 | meaneye | Font hinting, themes, icons, wallpaper, global keyboard shortcuts etc. |
| 01:10.04 | meaneye | Gnome guys are making it exceedingly difficult to use desktop environment the way you want it to. |
| 01:10.04 | atannus | meaneye, so i3 is better than what gnome3 bundles? |
| 01:10.19 | meaneye | gnome3 doesn't bundle tiling window managers. |
| 01:10.25 | atannus | I don't really understand these things... i just know I don't like gnome3. |
| 01:10.40 | meaneye | Gnome3 is yet to learn how to use my third display above the two I have in front of me without freaking out. |
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| 01:11.23 | atannus | How do I configure what you have so I can check it our? Just install i3? |
| 01:11.37 | meaneye | Yes. |
| 01:11.53 | meaneye | But that won't give you my .session file and start up. |
| 01:12.13 | atannus | What will be the difference for me? |
| 01:12.19 | meaneye | No gnome session in i3. |
| 01:12.27 | meaneye | Which I think is the main problem here. |
| 01:12.29 | atannus | What is i3? Is it the thing that draws the window? |
| 01:12.42 | meaneye | Sort of. |
| 01:12.49 | atannus | Like Metacity? |
| 01:12.50 | meaneye | Organizes windows in specific manner. |
| 01:12.52 | meaneye | Yes. |
| 01:13.15 | meaneye | Okay, let me check if normal i3 without gnome session will work. |
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| 01:14.47 | meaneye | Guessed as much. |
| 01:15.00 | meaneye | Without gnome session it works properly. |
| 01:15.02 | meaneye | Gah. |
| 01:15.20 | atannus | I'm tellin' ya, Gnome is evil. |
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| 01:16.01 | atannus | They're little evil bastards who mix things up just for the pleasure of tricking system admins. |
| 01:16.20 | atannus | Something's wrong? A Gnome did it. |
| 01:16.29 | meaneye | No themes, ugly font rendering. |
| 01:16.32 | meaneye | Though not too bad. |
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| 01:17.44 | meaneye | I'll live with this. |
| 01:17.53 | unixpro1970 | I have installed debian on sparc but can't find certain packages such as x2goserver. Any idea where I can obtain the sparc packages from? |
| 01:18.05 | unixpro1970 | sparc64 using wheezy |
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| 01:19.09 | heurist | unixpro1970: I do not see x2goserver in architecture. So it is not a sparc64 issue. |
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| 01:19.24 | wulllst | is there a collection of all official wallpapers that have ever been included into the debian releases? |
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| 01:20.10 | unixpro1970 | anyone? |
| 01:20.50 | mhoney | how old is that sparc, just curious? |
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| 01:22.04 | unixpro1970 | sun t5140 sparc64, i think it is from 2008 or 2009 |
| 01:22.11 | atannus | I'm on kde now. |
| 01:22.22 | mhoney | nice. |
| 01:22.50 | unixpro1970 | I like it because it has 128 threads ( dual cpu ). |
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| 01:24.38 | unixpro1970 | However, finding some debian sparc packages is pretty tough. Does anyone know of good repos I should add? Maybe I will get luck and find the packages I need? |
| 01:24.43 | viccuad | wulllst: I only know about of this: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Artwork . Go to the different releases to see wallpapers, winners, etc |
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| 01:24.52 | somiaj | unixpro1970: it doesn't appear x2go server is in debian (not that I see) I see x2go clients but no server, and the info I get online says you have to use a third party repo to get the server. It could also be that third party repo doesn't support sparc64 |
| 01:26.14 | unixpro1970 | @somiaj, thanks you are correct that is what I noticed as well. Might have to build it from source but must admit it was a nightmare the first time I attempted to so on sparc. |
| 01:26.34 | unixpro1970 | It didn't build at all |
| 01:26.51 | mhoney | unixpro1970, is that server really loud like all the x86 sun servers? |
| 01:28.21 | unixpro1970 | Actually it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. |
| 01:28.21 | somiaj | unixpro1970: any reason you want to use x2go and maybe not use vnc or some other remost client that may be already in debian and thus supported on sparc64? |
| 01:28.21 | wulllst | viccuad: been there already. it's sad place. |
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| 01:28.21 | unixpro1970 | I am currently using xrdp to access the box but it seems buggy, x2go is pretty solid when I used it on intel platforms. |
| 01:28.30 | somiaj | unixpro1970: but the pages I saw seemed to have a deb-src for the server, maybe you can just download their source package and build it in a chroot (for a clean build enviorment) faily automatically. |
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| 01:29.34 | mhoney | unixpro1970, I wonder if xrdpomatic would compile |
| 01:29.45 | unixpro1970 | that is what I am using now. |
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| 01:31.09 | unixpro1970 | but the xrdp server is sluggish and hangs often. |
| 01:31.37 | mhoney | your using the one from scaryglider? |
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| 01:31.37 | mhoney | http://scarygliders.net/x11rdp-o-matic-information/ |
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| 01:31.45 | unixpro1970 | @mhoney, I am already using x11rdp-o-matic. It is slugish and hangs. |
| 01:31.45 | mhoney | unixpro1970, ah... strange. Works great on any box Ive put it on |
| 01:32.18 | unixpro1970 | I am new to debian, if I add deb-src to my repo then I can download and compile it? |
| 01:32.46 | somiaj | unixpro1970: maybe check out x11vnc, that should allow you to see the server over vnc, might be a little less laggy than xrdp |
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| 01:32.54 | somiaj | unixpro1970: correct, if you have a deb-src line you can download soure packages with 'apt-get source foo' (it puts the package and unpacks it in your cwd) |
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| 01:33.36 | somiaj | unixpro1970: from there you can just try to build it (apt-get build-dep packagename) and then dpkg-buildpackage. (look at /msg dpkg ssb for the simple basics) |
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| 01:34.14 | unixpro1970 | Just turned on the box, I will give it a try when it finally boots up. |
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| 01:41.33 | meaneye | somiaj, apologies for my attitude before. |
| 01:42.14 | somiaj | meaneye: it is all good, I just sometimes try to give general testing/unstable advise. It breaks and will break again. (: |
| 01:42.42 | somiaj | meaneye: also #debian-next on irc.oftc.net may have better support as that channel is only for testing/unstable and the users there may be more familar with the bugs |
| 01:42.57 | meaneye | Issue this time is not Debian. My bad on assuming that. Gnome developers are pushing too hard to ruin my lovely desktop. |
| 01:43.05 | meaneye | Oh, okay, thanks! |
| 01:43.13 | somiaj | meaneye: I upgrade my sid box maybe once every 3-6 months so I am not always current on bugs, I do lurk there to make sure I avoid upgrading when everything is badly broken (I waited thought the whole nvidia/xorg abi issue) |
| 01:43.28 | meaneye | Lucky you. |
| 01:43.34 | meaneye | Though nouveau is not all that bad. |
| 01:43.38 | somiaj | also install apt-listbugs |
| 01:43.42 | meaneye | At least I get to use my third screen. |
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| 01:44.06 | somiaj | I am interested in teh future of nouveau, hear nvidia is support it in the attempt that it will run their older legacy cards, so that should be nice. |
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| 01:44.34 | shay_shay | ls |
| 01:44.42 | shay_shay | er.. |
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| 01:46.04 | meaneye | I almost laugh out loud remembering how much people criticized Intel. Now days, I got out of my way to get Intel GPU. |
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| 01:48.15 | Wyzard | meaneye: I tried out nouveau recently... it seemed OK for a GNOME desktop, but hard-locked my whole system when I tried to play Minecraft :-) |
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| 01:48.25 | dioz | omg off topic chats |
| 01:48.25 | ryann | anyone familiar with nesting raids with mdadm? |
| 01:48.33 | meaneye | Yeah, gaming is a no go. |
| 01:49.25 | mhoney | ryann, like striped mirrors? |
| 01:49.42 | Wyzard | also just today helped someone set up the proprietary nvidia driver in Ubuntu 14.04 because nouveau couldn't even display the Unity menu correctly (using an old 8000-series GPU) |
| 01:49.46 | ryann | yea, 0+1 in particular |
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| 01:51.03 | mhoney | ryann, http://kromey.us/2009/08/raid-10-with-mdadm-65.html |
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| 01:53.43 | ryann | oh, mhoney, thanks, but i am not asking how to do it |
| 01:54.02 | mhoney | oh, whats your question? |
| 01:54.35 | tomman | Hi there |
| 01:54.49 | tomman | My KDE is hanging at boot on Jessie after installing some updates |
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| 01:54.55 | tomman | (this batch: http://pastie.org/9413738 ) |
| 01:55.02 | ryann | ultimately, i want to build a 0+1 device |
| 01:55.16 | tomman | I have to kill one of the "kdeinit4" process in order to "unfreeze" the boot |
| 01:55.22 | ryann | but funds are tight, so i can only afford two of the disks i want in the 4 disk system |
| 01:55.29 | tomman | any hints? |
| 01:55.46 | ryann | could i stripe the first 2 disks (raid 0) and later add (nest) in a mirror to another raid 0? |
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| 01:56.41 | mhoney | ryann, sure |
| 01:57.21 | ryann | would i be better off assembling the entire configuration, and running degraded? |
| 01:57.46 | jmcnaught | !enter |
| 01:57.47 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 01:58.18 | mhoney | Nah, just run with the stripe for now. No real advantage to running degraded |
| 01:58.19 | shamraine | !scripts |
| 01:58.51 | ryann | thanks, mhoney. i'm just unfamiliar with how to then mirror and specify one disk as a "master" to rebuild from |
| 01:58.56 | ryann | but i'm sure i can find that someplace |
| 01:59.11 | jmcnaught | ryann: Another way to do it is with LVM. You can use lvconvert to mirror and/or stripe volumes. Also you can do this on a per volume level, and you get features like snapshots too. |
| 02:00.02 | ryann | jmcnaught: interesting. might be over-engineering for what i need. simple nas to start for multimedia |
| 02:00.16 | ryann | once i mirror the stripes, i'll toss some of the family pictures and videos on there |
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| 02:00.45 | ryann | easy enough to test this out in a vm. thanks guys. |
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| 02:07.59 | tomman | Oh, I found the root of the cause of my KDE hangs |
| 02:08.12 | DHowett | You found the cause to be KDE? ;) |
| 02:08.16 | tomman | looks like the GDM3 update is to blame |
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| 02:08.30 | tomman | I changed the login managed to KDM and sure enough, it starts fine |
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| 02:08.51 | tomman | The funny thing is that GDM was working just fine... until today (when it got updated on Jessie) |
| 02:09.02 | tomman | but... WHY!? |
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| 02:09.08 | tomman | what is gdm3 doing that upsets KDE? |
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| 02:09.58 | jmcnaught | tomman: #debian-next on irc.oftc.net might be more familiar with the bugs in Jessie. Also please stop hitting <enter> so much :) |
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| 02:10.09 | tomman | Oh, sorry. |
| 02:10.28 | tomman | heh, it says I need a invite |
| 02:10.44 | jmcnaught | tomman: irc.oftc.net is not part of freenode. |
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| 02:10.51 | tomman | Oh, sorry. |
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| 02:19.03 | unclezipper | After signing in to a site with PhantomJS, this shows up 5 times in the log: Refused to set unsafe header "Referer" |
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| 02:19.25 | unclezipper | Anybody? I'm not a web dev, I'm just trying to archive some stuff... |
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| 02:27.20 | SirLagz | _unreal_: thanks for that, I'll have a look when I get home |
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| 02:41.05 | MO_Handes | I suppose I need to install iwlwifi-firmware package in order to make my wifi work, while I have no internet connection how can I installl that package? is there a way to create a local repository and put the package and dependencies in there? or better solutions? |
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| 02:43.28 | abrotman | MO_Handes: do you have internet elsewhere and a USB drive? |
| 02:43.38 | Brigo | MO_Handes, you can use apt-get install iwlwifi-firmware --print-uris |
| 02:44.03 | abrotman | Brigo: not if apt doesn't know about it at all... |
| 02:44.14 | ftc- | I did a "apt-get upgrade" from 7.3 to 7.6. Now my system won't boot when the esata HDD is plugged in (secondary HDD). Boot fine if its unplugged. It gets stuck right at "Loading, please wait..." Anyone got any ideas where to look? Something to do with grub? |
| 02:45.20 | MO_Handes | abrotman, yes |
| 02:45.33 | ftc- | Hmm, after a while it says: task busybox: 202 blocked for more than 120 seconds |
| 02:48.22 | abrotman | MO_Handes: use wget, put it on the drive, install the package from the drive |
| 02:48.34 | abrotman | MO_Handes: or however you want to put it on the drive from another OS |
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| 02:53.40 | karlpinc | Are there any reasons why I should not use the nginx repo that maintains a backport for wheezy? I need a 1.5.4+ feature and it seems reasonable to go to nginx for the backport, unless somebody says otherwise. |
| 02:54.58 | jmcnaught | karlpinc: are you talking about wheezy-backports or a third party repository? |
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| 02:55.16 | themill | ,v nginx --release wheezy-backports |
| 02:55.17 | judd | Package: nginx on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.6.0-1~bpo70+1 |
| 02:56.14 | MO_Handes | thanks abrotman, I downloaded it from ftp.debian.org/debian/pool but how I make sure it is the right package in my later online repository and not conflict with them? after all this install is not managed by apt-get |
| 02:56.46 | karlpinc | themill: That does sound like a good reason. Thanks. |
| 02:57.06 | karlpinc | jmcnaught: The nginx project maintains it's own repo. |
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| 02:58.26 | unclezipper | ftc-: Try changing boot order in the BIOS or installing GRUB on your esata drive |
| 02:58.38 | jmcnaught | karlpinc: I usually avoid third party repos especially for servers. While it might install okay at first, upgrading to future Debian releases might not be easy with their party repos. |
| 02:59.42 | karlpinc | jmcnaught: Yes. Since it's in wheezy-backports there's not a good reason to go with a 3rd party. |
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| 03:02.57 | ftc- | unclezipper: ok thanks, i'll take a look at those |
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| 03:24.57 | karlpinc | Where can I find the page that describes the relationship (or lack thereof) between wheezy-backports and the regular debian security team? Is there anything besides the faq on backports.debian.org? |
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| 03:27.10 | themill | karlpinc: the FAQ says it all. |
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| 03:28.47 | karlpinc | themill: Righto. (Be nice if there were anchors on the page to the questions. Maybe there are but I don't want to look at the source.) |
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| 03:42.37 | FunkyBob | morning all... am having a little trouble and was after some help in how to debug it |
| 03:42.52 | FunkyBob | basically, on boot the root partition [single partition config] isn't being remounted rw |
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| 03:44.41 | FunkyBob | [Jesse, on an odroid-xu, if that helps at all] |
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| 03:46.58 | jmcnaught | FunkyBob: is there anything about it in the dmesg output? |
| 03:48.20 | FunkyBob | looking |
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| 03:50.22 | FunkyBob | [ 6.854805] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem |
| 03:50.25 | FunkyBob | ah, that could be it |
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| 03:51.09 | jmcnaught | FunkyBob: the /etc/fstab on my system has "errors=remount-ro" so yours probably does too. Sounds like you might need to fsck |
| 03:51.28 | FunkyBob | no, wait... it then cleaned it up |
| 03:51.59 | FunkyBob | http://dpaste.com/046KPJV |
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| 03:54.31 | jmcnaught | FunkyBob: If you reboot again does the same thing happen? It looks like an SD card, can you check the filesystem on another computer? |
| 03:54.34 | karlpinc | WTF? support@timmehosting.de is sending auto-responses to bugs submitted to the bts for the nginx-full package. |
| 03:54.36 | FunkyBob | and way later, [ 696.431084] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): re-mounted. Opts: data=ordered |
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| 03:54.43 | FunkyBob | jmcnaught: yes, it's consistent |
| 03:54.48 | FunkyBob | yes, it's an SD card |
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| 03:55.42 | Mahjongg | Hi, What is the proper way to install Firefox on Wheezy? When I try to remove iceweasel, gnome-desktop meta package is also removed. So Can I keep iceweasel and install firefox at the same time? |
| 03:55.54 | karlpinc | Mahjongg: Sure. |
| 03:56.20 | Mahjongg | karlpinc, change /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox.ice? |
| 03:56.41 | karlpinc | Mahjongg: Humm. I could be really wrong here. |
| 03:56.48 | jmcnaught | Mahjongg: Iceweasel is Firefox |
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| 03:57.24 | Mahjongg | I am a web developer and have to test latest Firefox jmcnaught |
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| 03:57.48 | karlpinc | ,v iceweasel --release=wheezy-backports |
| 03:57.49 | judd | No package named 'iceweasel' was found in wheezy-backports/i386. |
| 03:57.57 | jmcnaught | Mahjongg: you can get the packages from here: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 03:58.22 | karlpinc | Mahjongg: The nightly? I built and ran it just fine the other day. Didn't install it though. |
| 03:58.39 | karlpinc | Mahjongg: Ah, not the nightly. |
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| 03:59.13 | Mahjongg | karlpinc, not the nightly stable |
| 03:59.38 | Mahjongg | I already have a binary firefox stable 64 just don't know how to keep iceweasel properly |
| 03:59.48 | Mahjongg | while all firefox should point to firefox 31 |
| 04:00.09 | FunkyBob | jmcnaught: well, thanks for your input... I guess I'll give it a thorough preening when I resize the partition |
| 04:01.17 | karlpinc | Mahjongg: You could get rid of iceweasel. There's some sort of package that makes "placeholders" to satisfy dependencies so you don't have to get ird of gnome-desktop.... |
| 04:02.06 | jmcnaught | the best way is to install using the packages at http://mozilla.debian.net/ which are usually only a day or two behind Mozilla releases |
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| 04:02.53 | karlpinc | jmcnaught: That makes sense. |
| 04:02.58 | Mahjongg | jmcnaught, ah that sounds promising. I'll try thanks |
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| 04:03.25 | karlpinc | (I still wish I could recall the name of that program. Begins with an e...) |
| 04:03.30 | Mahjongg | shoudl the version be set to release? |
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| 04:04.23 | themill | karlpinc: equivs |
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| 04:04.29 | jmcnaught | Mahjongg: "release" is for the current table version |
| 04:04.44 | karlpinc | themill: Thanks. That's probably the 3rd time you've told me that, over time. |
| 04:04.54 | themill | ;) |
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| 04:05.45 | karlpinc | Well, 31 is the newest stable. As of today I think. (Gets rid-ish of network.request.http.timeout, which was making me really cranky.) |
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| 04:06.53 | karlpinc | Mahjongg: I guess if they're behind and 31 != release then you could install beta, which would be almost 31, and use that for a day or so until the site catches up. |
| 04:07.08 | karlpinc | (But I've not tried this.) |
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| 04:07.32 | Mahjongg | 30 is good enough actually |
| 04:07.43 | Mahjongg | I can be delayed couple of days, no problem... |
| 04:07.45 | Mahjongg | :) |
| 04:07.56 | Mahjongg | Thank you both |
| 04:08.28 | Mahjongg | Any idea if I can use iceaweasel and firefox syncing to the same mozilla acoount? |
| 04:08.35 | karlpinc | Mahjongg: (30 times out requests that take more than 5 minutes.) |
| 04:08.53 | karlpinc | (29 too.) |
| 04:09.07 | Mahjongg | hmm, shouldn't it? |
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| 04:09.46 | karlpinc | Mahjongg: No. In my opinion the server should be able to take as long as necessary to respond. Some operations take more than 5 minutes. |
| 04:09.47 | jmcnaught | Mahjongg: I don't see why not, but it's been a while since I used Sync with anything other than Iceweasel |
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| 04:11.48 | Mahjongg | jmcnaught, just curious do you use packages from the repository at all times? I'd love to do that but packages like eclipse lag seriously... Forcing me to use binaries... I'd love to get you wisdom on that |
| 04:12.11 | karlpinc | DammifIknow why "aptitude search package" does not return equivs. |
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| 04:14.19 | karlpinc | Mahjongg: There's the wheezy-backports repo. If that's not good enough you can self-backport from sid. There's an occasional upstream-maintained repo (i.e PostgreSQL) that can be trusted, but this can cause problems upgrading debian to a new release. Release notes generally say remove all backports before upgrading. |
| 04:14.31 | jmcnaught | Mahjongg: I use packages from the repositories for everything if at all possible. Usually the only exception to that rule is stuff installed with pip in a python virtualenv. Some stuff is available in wheezy-backports. Often you can backport packages from unstable ("/msg dpkg ssb" for instructions). If you have to use binaries, you could try something like GNU Stow. |
| 04:14.44 | karlpinc | !tell Mahjongg about ssb |
| 04:15.14 | karlpinc | Python virtual envs rock. |
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| 04:16.06 | Mahjongg | I did not knwo the deb-src trick :) |
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| 04:16.28 | jmcnaught | karlpinc: other stuff I might use in a chroot or LXC container, or in a VM. I also don't mind stuff being a little older. I prefer "it works" to "latest version". |
| 04:16.44 | karlpinc | jmcnaught: Me too. |
| 04:17.20 | karlpinc | lxc is nice, but I've not figured out how to upgrade a container to a new debain release. |
| 04:17.50 | karlpinc | (To be honest, I've not tried.) |
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| 04:19.20 | Mahjongg | Thanks again |
| 04:19.23 | Mahjongg | have good night |
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| 04:19.58 | jmcnaught | karlpinc: I haven't either now that you mention it. I only learned how to use LXC in the last six months. I assume it would be the same as upgrading any other Debian system, but I guess there's a chance stuff like kernel packages might choke. I'll have to give it a try. |
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| 04:29.32 | Streusel | Is there any way to identify the number of users on a system? without looking at /etc/passwd or /etc/group. And no not currently active sessions by individual users, but actual accounts. |
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| 04:31.51 | jhutchins | Streusel: who |
| 04:32.03 | Streusel | but that only displays the currently active users |
| 04:32.20 | jhutchins | Yes, I see that was part of your equation, |
| 04:33.02 | Streusel | yep :| |
| 04:33.21 | jhutchins | Streusel: A collegue of mine has written a script that purports to show which users have logged in in a certain time frame. It is a complete farce, but satisfies the auditors. |
| 04:33.46 | Streusel | hehe |
| 04:33.51 | jhutchins | Streusel: last/lastlog offers the raw data for a partial answer. |
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| 04:34.17 | Streusel | I'll have a go at that, thanks jhutchins |
| 04:34.42 | jhutchins | Streusel: If you come up with good ideas tag me. |
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| 04:35.11 | Streusel | gonna go with lastlog and pipe it |
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| 04:36.12 | jhutchins | Streusel: it has ... quirks. |
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| 04:37.02 | Streusel | true, hope that includes all users ever logged in since the beginning of time. |
| 04:37.20 | Streusel | oh, nice it even displays those who never logged in |
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| 04:48.04 | jmcnaught | Streusel: it looks at /etc/passwd, but so does lastlog "awk -F':' '{ if ($3 >= 1000 && $3 <= 60000) print $0}' /etc/passwd" |
| 04:48.33 | Streusel | weird, my passwd is tiny |
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| 04:52.59 | Streusel | ah, need the sort -u as well, else it'll show duplicates |
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| 05:00.16 | zw01 | is there any way to get 'apt-get upgrade' to not just ignore its arguments and actually upgrade just the specified packages. rather than all packages on the system? |
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| 05:00.32 | formorer | zw01: apt-get install <your packages> |
| 05:00.42 | zw01 | formorer: right, i'm aware of that |
| 05:00.46 | zw01 | but i'd like to use a glob |
| 05:00.57 | zw01 | and i don't want to install any new packages, just update already-installed ones |
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| 05:02.19 | formorer | zw01: if apt-get upgrade installs new packages, thery are required by your already existing packages. |
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| 05:03.23 | zw01 | hm? i'm confused...currently i'm just trying to update texlive-* without also doing cowsay, for example (pretty sure there's no dependency there...) |
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| 05:03.59 | zw01 | a bunch of texlive-* packages and cowsay (among other things) would be installed by 'apt-get upgrade' |
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| 05:04.18 | formorer | zw01: then extract the list of already installed textlive packages and do them as an arguement to apt-get install |
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| 05:05.13 | zw01 | gah...you may well be right that there's no easy direct way to do this, but resorting to grep/xargs/whatever for this seems kind of ridiculous... |
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| 05:05.26 | formorer | dpkg -l | awk '/texlive-/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get install |
| 05:05.26 | dpkg | No packages found matching | awk '/texlive-/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get install |
| 05:05.34 | zw01 | (for comparison, 'yum update texlive-*' would do what i want much more easily) |
| 05:05.36 | formorer | getting this was faster than talking about it. |
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| 05:06.24 | zw01 | right, i'm well aware of how to pipe through awk and such...it was a question about apt-get |
| 05:06.40 | zw01 | (and, as i see it, its deficiencies compared to other package managers) |
| 05:07.25 | formorer | zw01: every package manager has disadvantages. yum for example is slow as hell. |
| 05:07.51 | formorer | zw01: but you can of course file a wishlist bug against apt |
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| 05:08.05 | zw01 | sure, i'm not claiming yum is perfect or anything |
| 05:08.27 | trogdor_ | zd01: are you look for recent versions... have you tried testing or sid? |
| 05:08.37 | zw01 | but in this case apt-get's weird treatment of install vs. upgrade seems kind of brain-dead |
| 05:08.58 | zw01 | i'm on jessie, apt 1.0.6. fwiw |
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| 05:09.42 | boudiccas | whats the command please for reading the screen lof when you've just rebooted? |
| 05:09.58 | boudiccas | log |
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| 05:22.27 | rryoumaa | boudiccas: dmesg but it is limited |
| 05:22.40 | rryoumaa | there is a package, bootlogd, that might be more useful |
| 05:22.58 | rryoumaa | at least, i find it to be |
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| 05:52.15 | no_gravity | Every now and then I hit ALT+Z or something and the current command gets interrupted and I have "[1]+ STOPPED commandname" on screen... what is that? How do I get out of it? |
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| 05:53.54 | unclezipper | no_gravity: You're hitting ctrl+z |
| 05:54.00 | formorer | no_gravity: it sends the Signal SIGSTP to the process |
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| 05:54.06 | pabloh | (I've been using Qingy for a while but it's hard to get it working on some hardware) |
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| 05:54.26 | formorer | no_gravity: which makes the process stop. if you want it back execute "fg" |
| 05:54.33 | no_gravity | unclezipper, formorer: ok, thank. |
| 05:54.37 | no_gravity | thanks |
| 05:54.38 | unclezipper | That sends the current program to the background. You can use bg or fg to make it resume execution |
| 05:55.25 | unclezipper | or "kill %1" to stop it. Don't forget the percent sign |
| 05:55.34 | heurist | pabloh: I like i3 for lightweight. but it is a tiling window manager, so you may find it strange. |
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| 05:56.10 | formorer | pabloh: if you really mean display manager: lightdm |
| 05:56.15 | pabloh | heurist, I'm looking for somthing like XDM |
| 05:56.19 | pabloh | but a bit nicer |
| 05:56.30 | pabloh | formorer, yeah |
| 05:57.05 | heurist | pabloh: sorry, read wm instead of dm, slim and lightdm come to mind. |
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| 06:01.16 | pabloh | heurist, thanks! |
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| 06:32.48 | Zipf | Hello, i'm trying create an autoamount to my second HD, i've created the dir /mnt/DATA and added the follwing on /etc/fstab |
| 06:32.57 | Zipf | echo "UUID=xxxxx /mnt/DATA ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1" >> /etc/fstab |
| 06:33.16 | Zipf | after edit and saber, when i try amount -a |
| 06:33.44 | Zipf | i got this: [mntent]: line 14 in /etc/fstab is bad |
| 06:34.11 | Zipf | what i'm doing wrong there ? |
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| 06:35.40 | relaxed | Zipf: look at man fstab |
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| 06:37.15 | Zipf | can u explain me how ? |
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| 06:39.40 | relaxed | "man fstab" and read about the order |
| 06:42.36 | relaxed | make sure your UUID is correct |
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| 06:44.11 | doev | Zipf, maybe post your "edited and sabered" line |
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| 06:45.04 | aborrero | hi there |
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| 06:49.38 | AquaL1te | Zipf: it's better to use labels, with this command you can do that: tune2fs /dev/sdxx -L data |
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| 06:49.54 | AquaL1te | with blkid you can check which one is your data drive |
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| 06:50.27 | AquaL1te | then the syntax is like this (could be wrong): LABEL=data /mnt/DATA ext4 defaults 1 2 |
| 06:52.19 | AquaL1te | with mount -a you can check your syntax without rebooting |
| 06:52.33 | AquaL1te | if there are no errors then you can safely reboot without maintenance mode crap |
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| 06:54.58 | Zipf | most of the tutorials i was reading told me to do via UUID |
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| 06:55.04 | Zipf | i'm new to linux |
| 06:55.21 | AquaL1te | well it makes no differences |
| 06:55.30 | AquaL1te | i like to use readable stuff |
| 06:55.44 | AquaL1te | and less error prone methods |
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| 06:56.38 | Zipf | tune2fs /dev/sdb1 -L data |
| 06:56.45 | AquaL1te | yes that should do it |
| 06:57.04 | Zipf | witch that cmd, i don't have to edit the /etc/fstab correct ? |
| 06:57.20 | AquaL1te | and for this it's best to read up the man pages, it's better to know what you're doing |
| 06:57.25 | AquaL1te | you do have to edit it |
| 06:57.30 | AquaL1te | LABEL=data /mnt/DATA ext4 defaults 1 2 |
| 06:57.37 | AquaL1te | that's most probably correct |
| 06:57.43 | Zipf | yes, i'm reading and trying at the same time |
| 06:57.45 | AquaL1te | after you edit it you can run: mount -a |
| 06:57.50 | Zipf | just a bit stuck |
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| 06:57.56 | AquaL1te | that's okay |
| 06:58.06 | AquaL1te | btw, the 1 and 2, do you know what it means? |
| 06:58.19 | AquaL1te | or defaults? |
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| 06:58.33 | Zipf | no, i don't |
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| 07:00.14 | f55384 | 1 and 2 in fstab? i think the first one is dump or somthing. but the second is fscheck |
| 07:00.36 | AquaL1te | the defaults part can be found in here : tune2fs -l /dev/sda6 |
| 07:00.43 | AquaL1te | you can also change them there |
| 07:01.01 | AquaL1te | the 1 and 2 are indeed dump support (needed for backups, legacy actually but best to keep it enabled) |
| 07:01.09 | AquaL1te | the 2 is for fsck |
| 07:01.33 | AquaL1te | the 2 is for secundary partitions if it was 1 then it's for the root partition only, needs to be checked first |
| 07:01.48 | AquaL1te | now you know all you need to know about fstab :) |
| 07:02.08 | babilen | Zipf: You can use either labels or uuids, it doesn't really matter at all. It would be good if you could paste your entire fstab to http://paste.debian.net so that we have a chance to spot the error. Include the output of "blkid" too so that we can verify the UUID |
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| 07:03.49 | Zipf | nice |
| 07:03.53 | babilen | (UUIDs are more commonly used as they can be generated automatically) |
| 07:03.56 | Zipf | 1 sec i'll paste |
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| 07:08.04 | babilen | bbl |
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| 07:08.17 | Zipf | http://paste.debian.net/111130/ |
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| 07:10.05 | AquaL1te | looks okay, when you enter this as root: mount -a |
| 07:10.12 | AquaL1te | it should mount without errors right? |
| 07:10.24 | AquaL1te | btw the 1 at the end of your data line should be 2 |
| 07:10.31 | AquaL1te | because it's not a root mount |
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| 07:10.56 | Zipf | what is hapeening is, when i do mount -a |
| 07:11.01 | Zipf | it shows no errors |
| 07:11.12 | Zipf | but sudenly it disapear from Places menu |
| 07:11.23 | Zipf | and it don't show monted on the desktop |
| 07:11.27 | Zipf | it don't* |
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| 07:12.05 | AquaL1te | could you first do: umount /mnt/DATA |
| 07:12.10 | AquaL1te | and then: mount -a |
| 07:12.11 | AquaL1te | again |
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| 07:12.51 | AquaL1te | i'm not sure if it should appear there automatically in the places menu |
| 07:13.07 | AquaL1te | i guess you should bookmark it in nautilus, not sure |
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| 07:13.21 | AquaL1te | or change some configs somewhere |
| 07:13.27 | Chilibird | I feel like an idiot for not being able to find this - is there a nightly build status for the testing images? |
| 07:13.34 | Zipf | well, when i first did mount -a id disapeared from the Places menu |
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| 07:13.54 | Zipf | i did the umount and mount again and it don't show anywhere |
| 07:14.00 | Zipf | maybe i'll restart from scratch |
| 07:14.12 | AquaL1te | it remounts the volumes, but not on application level i guess |
| 07:14.21 | AquaL1te | just a second... |
| 07:14.41 | AquaL1te | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/how-to-add-a-folder-to-the-places-menu-on-gnome-902424/ |
| 07:15.26 | AquaL1te | Chilibird: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 07:15.33 | AquaL1te | they are pretty well hidden indeed |
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| 07:16.03 | Chilibird | AquaL1te - thanks! It looks like maybe live build is borked then |
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| 07:17.01 | Chilibird | I'm trying to respin a testing image, and they've suddenly started failing to build. Stable images will build, but testing fails towards the end of the build with a file-not-found error |
| 07:17.51 | AquaL1te | when i install a fresh system i pick the stable netinstall, then select the 'expert install' option, during the install you're asked if you want stable, testing or unstable |
| 07:18.15 | AquaL1te | works 9/10 times |
| 07:18.54 | AquaL1te | but only the stable netinstall has this option i believe |
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| 07:19.00 | Chilibird | AquaL1te - Agreed. This seems to be an issue with the live build tools though. I'm trying to see if something made it into testing that broke the build scripts. |
| 07:19.33 | Chilibird | AquaL1te - even a 'base' build (no extra packages) will fail at the moment, and it seems to be associated with syslinux - which seems odd to me |
| 07:20.39 | AquaL1te | you could give this one a try: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 07:20.46 | AquaL1te | and make it bootable on a USB with unetbootin |
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| 07:21.14 | AquaL1te | then select expert install, and halfway the install select testing or sid |
| 07:21.16 | Chilibird | AquaL1te - I think those images are fine. I'm trying to master a new image for my own purposes, and that's what's failing. |
| 07:21.24 | AquaL1te | ah okay |
| 07:21.24 | jmcnaught | !unetbootin |
| 07:21.24 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 07:21.57 | AquaL1te | never done that, so i don't think i can help you with that |
| 07:22.10 | Chilibird | AquaL1te - That's quite alright. I appreciate the attempt! |
| 07:22.14 | jmcnaught | AquaL1te: Chilibird: The Installation Guide has instructions on preparing a USB stick the right way |
| 07:22.23 | relaxed | debian's iso are hybrid, so you can just dd the image to a usb device. |
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| 07:23.55 | Chilibird | Yeah. The problem I'm bumping into at the moment is mastering a new image using the live-tools packages. I can boot the images just fine when they do build - I'm just trying to figure out why they've started to fail to build :P |
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| 07:24.38 | Chilibird | I'm starting to wonder if something made it into testing that broke the live-build scripts, which would probably be a good thing to submit a bug report on |
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| 07:26.21 | Zipf | http://paste.debian.net/111135/ |
| 07:26.29 | Zipf | weirdo, ive restarted |
| 07:26.34 | Zipf | it shows me its mounted correct |
| 07:26.56 | Zipf | but i can't see it anywhere, nor on Places, nor mounted on desktop |
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| 07:28.12 | AquaL1te | Zipf: i think you have to bookmark it in nautilus, or change some text configuration file |
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| 07:44.17 | nf7 | Is anyone here running Openbox 3 on Debian? |
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| 07:47.45 | babilen | Zipf: What do you have in /mnt/DATA? |
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| 07:49.05 | babilen | nf7: https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=openbox |
| 07:50.01 | babilen | No idea if some of them are in this channel at the moment. Do you want to ask that hypothetical person something specific? |
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| 07:50.42 | nf7 | babilen: Well I'm wondering how to install Openbox 3 rather than Openbox 2. |
| 07:50.53 | DarsVaeda | hi I need a newer version of glib so I read I can do it via "apt-get -t testin install ..." but that gives me that testing is not a valid value |
| 07:51.00 | babilen | judd: v openbox |
| 07:51.01 | judd | Package: openbox on i386 -- squeeze: 3.4.11.1-1; wheezy: 3.5.0-7; wheezy-backports: 3.5.2-6~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.5.2-6; sid: 3.5.2-6 |
| 07:51.17 | babilen | nf7: I don't see a 2.* version for openbox at all |
| 07:51.35 | AquaL1te | DarsVaeda: do you have testing or jessie in your sources.list? |
| 07:51.51 | DarsVaeda | probably not |
| 07:51.52 | babilen | DarsVaeda: Are you tracking wheezy? |
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| 07:52.00 | DarsVaeda | "tracking" wheezy? |
| 07:52.08 | DarsVaeda | what does that mean? |
| 07:52.19 | babilen | DarsVaeda: Do you have wheezy in your sources.list and do you want to run Debian stable? |
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| 07:52.56 | DarsVaeda | sorry I'm not too deep into versioning |
| 07:53.03 | DarsVaeda | I run wheezy as far as I know |
| 07:53.47 | nf7 | babilen: My mistake, it appears that I have 3 after all. |
| 07:54.12 | DarsVaeda | AquaL1te, there is nothing about testing in my sources.list |
| 07:54.17 | babilen | DarsVaeda: Okay, you shouldn't mix wheezy (stable) with jessie (testing) at all as that will lead to hard to handle problems. |
| 07:54.32 | babilen | Why do you think you need a newer libc6? |
| 07:54.36 | DarsVaeda | ah okay now I get you, right this is not what I want |
| 07:54.51 | DarsVaeda | the current eclipse version needs it :/ |
| 07:55.02 | DarsVaeda | and I need that unfortunately ;) |
| 07:55.51 | babilen | DarsVaeda: You should get hold of a binary that is meant to be used on Debian. I am also pretty sure that they don't actually require that libc6 version, but were simply too lazy to build packages for Debian. |
| 07:57.00 | DarsVaeda | they need glibc 2.14 according to their bug tracker |
| 07:57.54 | babilen | If they don't make a suitable version available then you can either shout at them in #eclipse or consider tracking testing yourself. (which will mean more system maintenance for you) |
| 07:58.17 | babilen | DarsVaeda: Do you have the bug number? |
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| 07:58.41 | DarsVaeda | https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=430736 |
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| 07:59.56 | babilen | There are perfectly valid workarounds in there it appears |
| 08:00.12 | DarsVaeda | perfectly valid not working workarounds :P |
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| 08:03.23 | babilen | Well, discuss it in #eclipse as this is hardly a Debian issue or consider running a supported distribution. If you are not comfortable tracking a development version of Debian (i.e. <testing>. See <tum> for a testing/unstable mix that I'd recommend and <sid faq> for some commonly asked questions -- /msg dpkg tum) then feel free to run, say, Ubuntu or any of the other Debian derivatives |
| 08:04.28 | DarsVaeda | ya, I just wanted to install glib > 2.13 actually ^^ |
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| 08:04.54 | babilen | I would personally consider running testing an option, but you seem to be quite unfamiliar with Debian and its packaging system and might be much better off not doing so. If you are willing to put in time and learn it then read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ (in particular the lifecycle section and the chapters on the package menagement system) |
| 08:05.44 | babilen | DarsVaeda: You cannot "just" install a newer libc6. It is the most important library on the system and you shouldn't *mix* stable and testing |
| 08:06.14 | DarsVaeda | ah okay that was some crucial information, I see thanks |
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| 08:08.07 | babilen | OTOH it might be possible to upgrade it and keep the rest of the system on wheezy, but I wouldn't feel comfortable supporting that. It really boils down to what you need and, frankly, I would personally argue that you are better off tracking a testing/unstable mix with the default release set to testing and apt-listbugs installed, but you have to know a bit more about Debian to make sensible decisions when things aren't just that smooth. |
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| 08:08.50 | babilen | Which is why I suggested another distribution. I am not trying to discourage you from trying anything of this, but it really depends on what you want to achieve and how fast you want to achieve that. |
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| 08:09.22 | babilen | But then I also consider vim a perfectly adequate development platform (but I also very rarely develop in Java) |
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| 08:10.10 | DarsVaeda | I guess I'll try to see if eclipse finds a working solution, I don't want to change to testing this is a at-work machine and needs to just function, I don't have the time to fix it all the time unfortunately |
| 08:10.33 | mrothe | hey, is it possible to get a list of origins, archives and labels in apt "origin-patterns"? |
| 08:10.40 | DarsVaeda | thanks for your suggestions :) |
| 08:11.57 | babilen | DarsVaeda: All the best! |
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| 08:27.15 | nf7 | What is the best way to reverse the two finger scroll on my trackpad? |
| 08:28.07 | OpenTokix | nf7: turn the laptop upside down |
| 08:28.49 | babilen | nf7: btw, you left earlier, but I wanted to point out that a newer version of openbox is available in wheezy-backports |
| 08:29.25 | babilen | If there is a way to reverse it it would be documented in synaptics(4) |
| 08:29.52 | nf7 | babilen: Thanks for letting me know. I actually figured out what I was after in the end. Was trying to install Numix theme, which is Openbox 3 compatible, and I thought I was on 2 for some reason. |
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| 08:30.17 | nf7 | babilen: What WM/DE are you on, out of curiosity? |
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| 08:31.50 | babilen | I use awesomewm and i3 |
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| 08:32.16 | babilen | (i3 currently, even though I hate its tree-based layouts) |
| 08:32.37 | formorer | .oO( that is the feature I love on i3 :) ) |
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| 08:34.29 | nf7 | babilen: Cool. |
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| 08:36.40 | babilen | formorer: Really? I find it horribly unintuitive as I never really know what something does if I don't remember in which order I opened the windows. I also dearly miss wmii's wonderful dynamic tag system and i3 really is no successor to it, but simply a different WM inspired by wmii. |
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| 08:39.54 | babilen | wmii was perfect and all it needed was less of plan9 and more of a *single* way to configure it, rather than many different ones (plan9 rc, python, ruby, shell, ...) that each don't work perfectly |
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| 08:43.40 | bw_ | babilen: maybe check out subtle http://subtle.subforge.org |
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| 08:43.57 | formorer | if only the author would do more releases... |
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| 08:44.42 | bw_ | formorer: yeah :/ but it's quite stable right now, but i live on hg-tip as well |
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| 08:44.54 | Edward_Snowden | hello guys |
| 08:44.59 | formorer | and I am the maintainer of the package and would love to update it. |
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| 08:45.19 | babilen | formorer: Indeed - The whole of suckless abandoned it for dwm and Kris seems to have lost interest in maintaining it. |
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| 08:45.37 | bw_ | but he should really do official releaes indead of just check ins into hg |
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| 08:46.14 | bw_ | formorer: heh, i know, spotted you in the irc channel :) |
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| 08:46.56 | babilen | Is it still being developed? There was a long time in which nothing really happened and there hasn't been a release in ages. Also the various configuration frameworks were each not ready not well maintained. |
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| 08:49.24 | babilen | Oh, there are still new commits. Is it worth trying hg-tip again, bw_ and how is the configuration framework situation these days? |
| 08:50.09 | babilen | Well, there have been around 9 commits in the last 3 years (most of which in 2014) |
| 08:50.09 | bw_ | babilen: it's active, just use the hg-tip :) what do you mean by configuration framework? |
| 08:50.30 | bw_ | the config is plain ruby and quite good documented |
| 08:50.35 | babilen | bw_: There might be a better channel for this .. is it still #suckless or will I simply be told to use dwm in there again? |
| 08:51.02 | babilen | bw_: Back in the day there were configuration frameworks in plan 9 rc, python and ruby |
| 08:51.42 | bw_ | babilen: i'm talking about subtle (not releated to suckless) |
| 08:52.17 | babilen | aaah! |
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| 08:52.58 | babilen | Sorry, that should have been obvious. It's just that my wish for wmii to be alive and well blinded me and effected my anaphora/deixis resolution system |
| 08:53.03 | babilen | *affected |
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| 08:54.32 | babilen | bw_: Oh, it seems to support dynamic tagging. I might give it a try. Anything else I should be aware of? |
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| 08:56.05 | bw_ | babilen: you should like ruby; checkout out the website for starting points |
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| 08:56.40 | velus | hey im having problems with mysql i have been told to come here for the help as the startup script for it is brken |
| 08:58.20 | petn-randall | velus: Which release are you running? |
| 08:58.29 | velus | weezy |
| 08:58.32 | velus | weezy |
| 08:58.55 | petn-randall | velus: Can you show us what it's showing? â http://paste.debian.net |
| 08:59.11 | petn-randall | s/showing/giving as output/ |
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| 09:00.43 | velus | http://paste.debian.net/111153/ |
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| 09:01.02 | nf7 | I am trying to decrease the keyboard delay time before it starts repeating keys. According to kbdrate, it is already set to 250ms, which is the lowest that it allows. It is a very long time however, much more than I am used to. Is there another way to decrease it? |
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| 09:01.15 | nf7 | I think I've got it around 50ms on OSX. |
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| 09:01.54 | babilen | velus: What does "dpkg -l bsdutils|tail -n1" give you? |
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| 09:02.31 | nf7 | ii bsdutils 1:2.20.1-5.3 amd64 Basic utilities from 4.4BSD-Lite |
| 09:02.35 | velus | dpkg-query: no packages found matching bsdutils |
| 09:02.55 | nf7 | That is the output ^ |
| 09:03.26 | babilen | nf7: Well, you are not the one having a problem with MySQL and the unavailibility of logger, but velus is |
| 09:04.20 | nf7 | babilen: lol, above that |
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| 09:05.24 | velus | brb need to go to the docs |
| 09:05.32 | babilen | velus: Install bsdmainutils, but I'm unsure why you don't have it. Does "aptitude search ~b" return anything? â http://paste.debian.net |
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| 09:06.06 | nf7 | ahh sorry, I understand now |
| 09:06.23 | nf7 | I am an idiot |
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| 09:06.39 | babilen | heh |
| 09:06.46 | nf7 | would still appreciate some help though! or a pointer. |
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| 09:07.51 | babilen | velus: In fact you probably want to install all other packages in the "standard" task too which can be done with "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant" |
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| 09:15.12 | babilen | velus: This does look like a bug though as mysql-server-5.5 should define a dependency on bsdutils if it uses tools contained in that package |
| 09:15.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell velus -about standard |
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| 09:19.09 | babilen | nf7: You might want to try #xorg as I am not aware of other methods without reading more documentation |
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| 09:21.21 | nf7 | babilen: figured it out, xset r rate 250 |
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| 09:23.11 | babilen | Well done! |
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| 09:31.52 | petn-randall | mintgreen: You have backups, right? |
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| 09:33.05 | mintgreen | petn-randall: there is a separeate /home parition |
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| 10:27.04 | charlie5 | hi folks ... i'm having some probs with a new install of deb and using nvidia ... method was -> install deb 7.5.0 with an xfce desktop, then install nvidia-kernel-dkms ... all worked as expected with nvidia used as gl provider ... i then i changed apt sources to use testing and updated the system ... this removed the nvidia glx packages and reverted to default (mesa i think) ... if i now try to reinstall nvidia-kernel-dkms, aptitude tells |
| 10:28.00 | petn-randall | charlie5: jessie/sid are support on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:28.13 | SynrGy | also: |
| 10:28.17 | SynrGy | !debian weather |
| 10:28.20 | dpkg | https://qa.debian.org/dose/ |
| 10:28.42 | SynrGy | charlie5: non-free drivers are in a bad way right now due to xorg transition |
| 10:28.50 | charlie5 | petn-randall: ah, thank you ... sorry for the mispost |
| 10:30.16 | charlie5 | SynrGy: ah, sorry to hear it |
| 10:30.20 | SynrGy | charlie5: you picked a bad day to move to testing, in other words. so stay on stable until it is sorted out |
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| 10:30.37 | SynrGy | charlie5: or else live with the free driver for now ... or find the old packages and downgrade (see snapshots) |
| 10:30.45 | SynrGy | !snapshots |
| 10:30.45 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 10:32.05 | SynrGy | charlie5: transitions are a natural part of the lifecycle of testing, so if you run a testing system, you need to be aware that stuff like this will happen from time to time. therefore it is recommended users use stable + backports instead. |
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| 10:32.17 | charlie5 | SynrGy: i was on deb testing b4 and after an update gl broke and X/desktop was not avail, despite fiddling with xorg.conf drivers and such ... i tried reinstalling to get desktop back and am now back at same prob it seems |
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| 10:34.07 | SynrGy | charlie5: why were you on testing to begin with? hardware too new? did backports not work for you? |
| 10:34.10 | charlie5 | SynrGy: thanks for the advice ... i'm sort of tied into testing as i need some newer versions of several dev libs (box2d for one) |
| 10:34.17 | SynrGy | i see |
| 10:34.24 | SynrGy | and you can't backport them yourself? |
| 10:34.29 | SynrGy | !ssb |
| 10:34.29 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 10:34.48 | charlie5 | i could prbly hand install the newer versions and use those, possibly |
| 10:35.04 | spydon | how can I raise the mouse sensitivity if it is already on max in the gui? |
| 10:35.32 | charlie5 | SynrGy: stable+backports very far behind testing ? |
| 10:35.33 | SynrGy | charlie5: distro mixing is not supported. compile them from source instead (which is what the ssb factoid is about) |
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| 10:36.59 | charlie5 | ah, ok, tah ... well will ponder my options ... thanks again for the help |
| 10:37.05 | SynrGy | np. good luck |
| 10:37.45 | charlie5 | cheers :) |
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| 10:49.57 | hipodilski | hi |
| 10:50.38 | hipodilski | i have a question, do you know of any software that can make easily video in .VOB video visible on my apache werbserver |
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| 10:54.11 | Shadow_7 | depends on how you define easily? avconv can extract the video only and audio only and recombine it to the mpeg2 codec without a re-encode. |
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| 10:54.24 | Shadow_7 | .VOB is just mpeg2 with dvd navigation stuff. |
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| 10:54.54 | bhag | uswsusp is hanging during resume after hibernating the device using s2disk , can anyone help me out? |
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| 10:55.56 | SynrGy | i thought uswsusp was rendered unnecessary if you just told the kernel where to hibernate to |
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| 10:57.34 | SynrGy | wow. lots of info here is so out of date: |
| 10:57.37 | SynrGy | https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation |
| 10:57.45 | velus | babilen, i got the message but i dont understand it? |
| 10:57.50 | SynrGy | it mentions jessie "may work out of the box" but says nothing about wheezy |
| 10:58.06 | armin | Executable: kwin PID: 6202 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) Time: 07/23/14 12:57:49 PM |
| 10:58.09 | armin | meh |
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| 10:58.38 | SynrGy | i don't use hibernation and don't use wheezy, so someone other than me needs to update that page for wheezy |
| 10:59.23 | themill | there's a lot of wrong info there |
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| 10:59.53 | Shadow_7 | I use wheezy for watching youtube on the laptop, but don't hibernate. You pretty much need jessie or higher for gaming due to the glibc version of wheezy. |
| 11:00.10 | hipodilski | Shadow_7: I just need something to generate from all my vob files listable html with a player to play each of the videos |
| 11:00.36 | SynrGy | probably https://wiki.debian.org/Suspend should be reviewed/updated at the same time |
| 11:00.53 | Shadow_7 | hipodilski: a lot of players will play .vob as they ignore the navigation stuff. |
| 11:01.15 | SynrGy | it claims "Wheezy is still in testing status", for example ... |
| 11:01.49 | SynrGy | and "uswsusp optional but recommended by pm-utils" (not the case in wheezy, at least) |
| 11:01.57 | SynrGy | not even Suggests by pm-utils |
| 11:02.13 | velus | how would i unistall mysql server and client ? |
| 11:02.14 | hipodilski | fro example for my pictures I use llgal |
| 11:02.19 | hipodilski | I need something similar but for videos |
| 11:02.40 | SynrGy | and, there goes bhag :P |
| 11:02.58 | Shadow_7 | hipodilski: and plex doesn't work for you? |
| 11:03.15 | SynrGy | themill: i was going to suggest to bhag to simply try removing uswsusp and see if it 'just works'. then proceed from there |
| 11:03.25 | SynrGy | if/when he/she ever returns |
| 11:03.34 | themill | SynrGy: yeah, uswsusp hasn't ever been needed and was sufficiently buggy to not even make it into squeeze |
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| 11:03.52 | SynrGy | nods |
| 11:03.54 | loner269 | morning |
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| 11:04.01 | hipodilski | what is plex |
| 11:04.13 | petern_ | Shadow_7, not all games are made using this fad that building for Ubuntu means Linux compatibility... |
| 11:04.25 | petern_ | Plenty of games work on Wheezy and older. |
| 11:04.37 | SynrGy | !plex |
| 11:04.38 | dpkg | plex86 (formerly FreeMWare) is an extensible virtualization program allowing use of multiple operating systems concurrently on the same machine. Dead upstream, ask me about <bochs>. |
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| 11:05.13 | SynrGy | ,v steam |
| 11:05.15 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.48-1; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.48-1 |
| 11:05.26 | SynrGy | petern_: ^^ a big reason why gamers might want jessie |
| 11:05.36 | petern_ | Gaming requires steam? o_O |
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| 11:05.54 | SynrGy | petern_: "lots of games" according to you probably does not represent what the typical gamer wants :p |
| 11:06.20 | petn-randall | What? You need Steam to play Pong?! Back in my day ... |
| 11:06.22 | SynrGy | in gaming communities, they do not care/understand why your platform can't play the game they want to play. |
| 11:06.24 | petern_ | What's wrong with Doom, Quake and Unreal Tournament?! |
| 11:06.42 | SynrGy | all they hear is "debian can't play <foo>? geez, debian sucks." |
| 11:06.44 | petern_ | Civ 5 works on Wheezy, mind you. |
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| 11:07.00 | petern_ | Heck, I have steam working on Wheezy... |
| 11:07.19 | SynrGy | petern_: built from source? |
| 11:07.27 | Nik05 | and steam just pulls in all kind of old libraries, you dont really need jessie for that :P |
| 11:07.28 | Shadow_7 | games work on wheezy. But java games lack OpenGL perks on glibc < 2.14, with wheezy sitting at 2.13 |
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| 11:08.02 | petern_ | I bet none of this stuff even requires anything in the newer glibcs, it's just linked that way... |
| 11:08.04 | Shadow_7 | At least with oracles binary blob |
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| 11:08.05 | petern_ | SynrGy, no. |
| 11:08.38 | SynrGy | petern_: third-party package? upstream package? |
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| 11:09.00 | SynrGy | please don't say 'mixed in from jessie' ... if so, bad boy. |
| 11:09.28 | petern_ | Can't remember now. No, no mixed in stuff from Jessie. |
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| 11:10.07 | petern_ | IIRC the original debs worked fine but they just required a version of glibc that was unnecessary. |
| 11:10.21 | petern_ | Shadow_7, OpenGL perks? |
| 11:10.26 | petern_ | Shadow_7, OpenGL works with Java, at least. |
| 11:10.57 | Shadow_7 | for runescape for example. Their graphics setup defaults to safe mode with glibc 2.13 |
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| 11:11.12 | OpenTokix | petern_: that is implicit included that java works, and that is a lie |
| 11:11.16 | petern_ | Is it java or native then? |
| 11:11.41 | petern_ | I don't know what "safe mode" means |
| 11:11.58 | Shadow_7 | software rendered game play only. basically |
| 11:12.12 | petern_ | But I use Java packaged with Debian. I don't see any need to contaminate my system with Oracle any more than necessary. |
| 11:12.23 | petern_ | (openjdk is the reference, these days) |
| 11:12.44 | Shadow_7 | there's audio and video quirks depending on the game that may require oracle over openjdk java. |
| 11:13.04 | Shadow_7 | and vice versa depending on the updates on any given week |
| 11:13.14 | SynrGy | petern_: i don't know which 'original debs' you're referring to, then. i guess third-party, since it's not in wheezy. |
| 11:13.17 | petern_ | Glad I don't play any of the crap you do then :p |
| 11:13.47 | petern_ | SynrGy, the original "Steam for Linux" deb package that Valve made, that only installed on Ubuntu. (Because Ubuntu is Linux, right?) |
| 11:14.09 | Shadow_7 | On 7+yo computers, there's not a high selection of 3D games. That a) run and b) in a semi-playable way. |
| 11:14.15 | petern_ | SynrGy, I don't have the package installed, and I don't remember how I got to the state of it working, but I know it didn't involve pulling in Jessie. |
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| 11:15.29 | petern_ | Quake works. That's a pretty damn old game. And it's 3D. |
| 11:15.48 | petern_ | But I know these days games are apparently worthless if they're more than 6 months old. |
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| 11:15.51 | SynrGy | petern_: so back to my original assertion, installing steam is one reason gamers might want jessie. |
| 11:16.11 | petern_ | And I say Jessie isn't necessary for installing Steam. |
| 11:16.16 | petern_ | May not be as simple, of course. |
| 11:16.20 | SynrGy | petern_: i consider running jessie less bad than using third-party made-for-ubuntu debs on wheezy |
| 11:16.31 | petern_ | I haven't installed the deb. |
| 11:16.34 | tyho | petern_: I have jessie in chroot for steam |
| 11:16.37 | tyho | how did you manage it? |
| 11:16.41 | petern_ | All the steam stuff gets installed in ~ anyway. |
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| 11:16.54 | tyho | of course I can't actually play anything becuase nvidia drivers have been removed |
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| 11:18.09 | loner269 | what can i type in grub so the vidio works an i stop gettin what i been |
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| 11:18.51 | tyho | loner269: you type e |
| 11:18.58 | tyho | as soon as the kernel options appear |
| 11:19.13 | tyho | then add a 1 the end of the line |
| 11:19.14 | petern_ | SynrGy, in fact I think it was a separate download that bypassed the deb. It was googleable at the time, but it was about a year ago. |
| 11:19.47 | loner269 | i meen to get vidio workin |
| 11:19.55 | tyho | loner269: yes |
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| 11:20.21 | tyho | loner269: wait, do you mean you can get a login shell now? |
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| 11:21.32 | loner269 | no im seein loadin kernel then i saw cleen then the screen whent nuts for a bit then the blk screen an white box with note |
| 11:22.05 | tyho | when you get the list of kernels in grub, hit the e key to edit the kernel command line |
| 11:22.10 | tyho | you want to boot into single user mode |
| 11:22.17 | tyho | do that by appending to the line, a 1 |
| 11:22.35 | loner269 | ok |
| 11:22.40 | tyho | that is the single character 1 |
| 11:22.56 | loner269 | ill try back soon |
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| 11:30.53 | petern_ | SynrGy, great, not it doesn't work ;( |
| 11:30.54 | petern_ | *now |
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| 11:32.23 | fling | Where can I see patches for minetes and/or minetest-server packages? |
| 11:32.45 | SynrGy | petern_: heh. oh well |
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| 11:34.30 | petern_ | And now it does... crazy :p |
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| 11:34.48 | petern_ | It just kept updating, claiming it was offline, downloading files of different sizes... |
| 11:34.50 | abrotman | fling: the changelogs are part of the package |
| 11:35.09 | fling | abrotman: I want to see the patch file |
| 11:35.12 | petern_ | Maybe there's some random steam versions they give out and if you get lucky you get one that works on wheezy :p |
| 11:35.19 | abrotman | fling: then grab the source |
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| 11:35.29 | fling | abrotman: where is it? ;P |
| 11:35.41 | abrotman | fling: which distro are you using? |
| 11:35.47 | fling | abrotman: I'm using gentoo |
| 11:35.53 | petern_ | lol |
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| 11:35.57 | fling | abrotman: I want to see debian patch |
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| 11:36.08 | petern_ | packages.debian.org |
| 11:36.13 | abrotman | fling: /msg dpkg source |
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| 11:37.34 | iwilcox | abrotman: Did you mean -q? |
| 11:37.46 | abrotman | drat |
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| 11:37.59 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 11:38.04 | abrotman | goes back to bed |
| 11:38.59 | abrotman | fling: apologies, thought this was going to devolve into a trolling session |
| 11:39.08 | fling | this is what I wanted http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-games/minetest-v04x.git/tree/debian/patches/shared_mods |
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| 11:39.32 | abrotman | fling: that's another option, yes |
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| 11:41.01 | themill | fling: there's also sources.debian.net that is a general solution for inspecting source packages |
| 11:41.24 | fling | themill: I just wanted the patch made by debian |
| 11:41.31 | themill | yes |
| 11:41.36 | lostNick | abrotman is nit a bot, right? |
| 11:41.42 | lostNick | not** |
| 11:42.10 | lostNick | what, he is? |
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| 11:42.31 | lostNick | he is not? |
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| 11:43.06 | lostNick | ok, themill , thanks, you are ceking conditions like computer does. :) |
| 11:43.27 | lostNick | checking** |
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| 11:52.13 | velus | hello im trying to mount something and im getting mount: permission denied yet im running as root? |
| 11:52.31 | abrotman | velus: show us the full command and full error |
| 11:52.57 | velus | root@web:~# mount -o remount / |
| 11:52.57 | velus | mount: permission denied |
| 11:53.04 | velus | thats all i get |
| 11:53.23 | abrotman | are you trying to mount it ro or rw ? |
| 11:53.37 | abrotman | and what's iny our fstab? |
| 11:53.45 | velus | one sec |
| 11:54.32 | velus | http://paste.debian.net/111179/ is my fstab |
| 11:54.52 | velus | and im trying to install ispconfig and it told me to set it as that |
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| 11:55.17 | abrotman | uhm .. I can't imagine why .. can you show us the instructions? |
| 11:55.37 | OpenTokix | velus: is this a multi user machine - or will only you be uising it? |
| 11:55.58 | velus | http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-a-multiserver-setup-with-dedicated-web-email-dns-and-mysql-database-servers-on-debian-5.0-with-ispconfig-3 is the instructoions and its about half way down |
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| 11:56.08 | velus | im the only one using it |
| 11:56.42 | velus | but the ispconfig will be for many users |
| 11:56.50 | abrotman | velus: mount -o rw,remount / ? |
| 11:57.02 | OpenTokix | velus: Will there be other users with ssh access? |
| 11:57.04 | abrotman | same error? |
| 11:57.15 | velus | same error and no only me with ssh access |
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| 11:57.33 | abrotman | velus: oh dear, those instructions are *ancient* |
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| 11:58.03 | OpenTokix | velus: I think you safely can ignore quota then |
| 11:59.09 | velus | ok |
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| 12:05.56 | velus | ok im cofused now when i try to go to ip/phpmyadmin it just downloads the php file? what can casuse this |
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| 12:06.19 | Ge0rG | hi. I'm trying to install debian from the testing netboot iso, so I downloaded http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso and booted; however, it fails with "No kernel modules were found". |
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| 12:08.12 | OpenTokix | velus: you dont have any php interpreting configured to handle your php-files in your webserver configuration |
| 12:08.23 | petern_ | Ge0rG, any particular reason to use the testing installer? |
| 12:08.52 | Ge0rG | petern_: I wanted to install sid, so it appeared logical |
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| 12:09.15 | petern_ | Usual way is to use the normal installer and upgrade. Testing isn't sid anyway. |
| 12:09.22 | Ge0rG | also, it is a new-ish lenovo e540, so having up-to-date code might not be the worst thing |
| 12:09.34 | Ge0rG | alright, will try again |
| 12:10.09 | velus | OpenTokix, how do i get that sorted or chekc |
| 12:10.10 | zykotick9 | !tell Ge0rG about testing installer |
| 12:10.29 | Ge0rG | aye |
| 12:10.29 | OpenTokix | velus: you need to add it to your webserver config. What webserver are you running? |
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| 12:11.22 | velus | im using debain 7 and i do have phgp |
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| 12:11.54 | jonkri | I'm getting a "No space left on device" error when trying to install texlive-full with plenty of disk space. Any ideas why? http://lpaste.net/107952 |
| 12:11.58 | Ge0rG | it might help though, to write that on https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 12:12.53 | OpenTokix | jonkri: quota? |
| 12:13.17 | Ge0rG | maybe another partition is full? or tmpfs? |
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| 12:16.33 | Ge0rG | ,oO( maybe people shouldn't wonder about users coming in complaining about the testing installer, if the official debian-installer page is incorrect ) |
| 12:16.41 | jonkri | OpenTokix: No. Oh, I'm using Debian Unstable. |
| 12:17.04 | velus | OpenTokix, im using debain 7 with apache2 and php5 |
| 12:17.16 | jonkri | Ge0rG: As you can see in my paste, all partitions ave lots of disk space. |
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| 12:18.00 | Ge0rG | jonkri: that error also happens if your partition is out of inodes. |
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| 12:18.14 | themill | Ge0rG: what did you actually do with that netboot.iso? |
| 12:18.20 | themill | err mini.iso |
| 12:18.21 | jonkri | Ge0rG: I'm using btrfs. |
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| 12:18.29 | Ge0rG | themill: dd to an usb drive and booted from it |
| 12:18.39 | themill | Ge0rG: well that's never supposed to work |
| 12:19.31 | Ge0rG | themill: it is surprisingly hard to find the right instructions. |
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| 12:19.36 | velus | OpenTokix, how do i add it to my webserver config? |
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| 12:19.45 | voidvoid | hello |
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| 12:20.10 | themill | Ge0rG: people wanting to run sid should already know what they're doing in this regard... For wheezy, there's a comprehensive install guide |
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| 12:20.25 | voidvoid | i want to install git ... but its not founded in the repositories ... theres is any way to add git by changing the kind of repository or adding a source ??? |
| 12:20.49 | themill | voidvoid: git is most certainly in debian. Perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" for us? |
| 12:20.55 | Ge0rG | themill: running an experimental debian does not mean I am installing it twice a week. |
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| 12:21.26 | themill | Ge0rG: lucky you can find the install guide then |
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| 12:23.04 | OpenTokix | velus: you need to configure a handler for the php-files, to send them to php. - A little different for different webservers. - if you install phpmyadmin from apt, it should ask you what webserver you are running. |
| 12:23.40 | Weetos | Hey there - I'm looking for a way to get ifDescr (eg. eth0,eth1, etc.) in snmp traps from my debian servers - so far I only get the ifIndex which is not really useful - Anyone ? |
| 12:24.34 | Ge0rG | themill: you mean the one with https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid |
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| 12:26.52 | themill | Ge0rG: given that you're not netbooting, you don't want the netboot/pxe images. Grab the netinst or CD1 images (which is why they are linked to most prominently too) |
| 12:27.13 | Cyis | hmm.. well can't say I'm impressed with the latest X11 mouse control update on Jessie... it's pretty much forcing me to use the touchscreen to be functional |
| 12:27.54 | jonkri | It turns out that I was actually out of disk space, but "df" did not report it because of my filesystem (btrfs). |
| 12:27.58 | velus | it didnt ask that when i installed it how do i check the config? |
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| 12:29.37 | Ge0rG | themill: all I wanted to point out is that it is a bad idea to point potential users of debian testing to a testing-installer, just to make fun of them on IRC afterwards. |
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| 12:30.19 | Ge0rG | unless making fun of users on IRC is the ultimate goal :P |
| 12:30.20 | themill | Ge0rG: jessie alpha 1 should work too -- but only if you actually get the right image. |
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| 12:31.59 | Ge0rG | ok, so the homepage points me to http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ - there is no README but three different directories. "cdrom", "hd-media" and "netboot". which one is the right for usb media? |
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| 12:33.03 | abrotman | Ge0rG: do you have broadband? |
| 12:33.17 | Ge0rG | I suppose hd-media is not the right one for USB hdds. |
| 12:33.17 | Ge0rG | ure |
| 12:33.17 | Ge0rG | *sure |
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| 12:33.51 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Ge0rG about usb install |
| 12:33.57 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Ge0rG about firmware images |
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| 12:36.04 | Ge0rG | ok, so now I figured out that I need the stable installer to install testing, and not the testing installer. And further it seems that I need a CD iso and not an USB installer image to install from USB. Is that right so far? |
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| 12:36.45 | petn-randall | Ge0rG: right. |
| 12:36.46 | Ge0rG | because you know, after reading https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I had a totally different impression. |
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| 12:37.49 | Ge0rG | and under the jessie alpha 1 listing, when following to "usb media", I landed at the testing installer. |
| 12:38.11 | Ge0rG | maybe somebody could rewrite that page to reduce user confusion, then? |
| 12:38.15 | petn-randall | Ge0rG: https://www.debian.org/ on the top right theres a download button, take that one. |
| 12:39.17 | Ge0rG | yes. I can understand it is totally unreasonable to enter "debian installer" into Google if you want to install debian. |
| 12:39.34 | themill | Ge0rG: the very first image linked on the installer page is the right one |
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| 12:40.05 | Ge0rG | themill: it is clearly labeled as a CD image. |
| 12:40.16 | themill | Ge0rG: it is the right one |
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| 12:40.45 | Ge0rG | themill: read my lips: the debian installer page is confusing as hell. it needs to be changed. |
| 12:40.56 | themill | Ge0rG: irc is not for reporting bugs |
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| 12:41.58 | Ge0rG | themill: right. it is for making fun of clueless users. How could I possibly have forgotten that. |
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| 12:42.37 | themill | People who claim they want sid and display a lack of any knowledge of debian generally end up the butt of the jokes... but this channel is for answering questions and you've had yours answered. |
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| 12:43.31 | Ge0rG | themill: that lack of knowledge results from horrible documentation. |
| 12:43.40 | themill | If you have concrete suggestions on how to better display the downloads, please report a bug against the www.debian.org pseudopackage. |
| 12:43.50 | themill | Documentation doesn't write itself, please help. |
| 12:44.03 | petern_ | I didn't seen anyone making jokes about it... |
| 12:44.11 | petern_ | -n |
| 12:44.48 | Ge0rG | petern_: to quote the bot: "<> wants you to know: Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>." |
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| 12:48.20 | colo-work | I still use it to do the latter - will you sue me now? :o) |
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| 12:49.06 | petn-randall | Ge0rG: We can't control where you end when you google things, we can improve the website however if you have constructive criticism. How is it confusing for you? |
| 12:49.18 | petn-randall | colo-work: We won't support you if you get stuck, that's all :) |
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| 12:49.37 | colo-work | petn-randall, I'm aware of that. however, my box wouldn't boot with the wheezy kernel, so that was my best shot. |
| 12:49.51 | colo-work | that said, it didwork like a charm. |
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| 12:51.30 | petn-randall | colo-work: bootstrapping is another way, there used to be installers with newer kernels on kmuto.jp. Unfortunately there are none for wheezy :( |
| 12:52.10 | Ge0rG | petn-randall: I'd like to see two things improved. a) https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ should clearly state that the testing-installer is not for installing testing but for installer testing. this seems to be obvious knowledge here, but on that page the opposite is stated. b) it would be great to see the "CD" category be changed to "CD / USB media" and the "USB media" being removed from the "other images" category. |
| 12:52.12 | colo-work | petn-randall, yeah, I wanted to avoid debootstrap and intended to run jessie anyway, so that's that :) |
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| 12:52.35 | colo-work | but it's a pity there are no backported d-i images available for wheezy |
| 12:53.19 | Ge0rG | petn-randall: further on, most of the links lead to a directory containing three sub-directories "cdrom", "hd-media" and "netboot". It is totally unclear which one to pick for usb media installation. |
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| 12:54.38 | Ge0rG | petn-randall: all these are issues I happen to stumble over whenever I need to setup a box, which happens once a year or so. |
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| 13:06.38 | Ge0rG | petn-randall: are you in the position to change the debian-installer site or to forward that? |
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| 13:07.41 | *** topic/#debian is openssl: /msg dpkg dsa2896 | wheezy released: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy | current point release: /msg dpkg 7.6 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
| 13:08.03 | petn-randall | Ge0rG: I'm not. I can just file a bug just like you. |
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| 13:10.42 | Ge0rG | last reported a bug in 2008, and it was a minor issue. |
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| 13:11.09 | thomas_sch | I got an ages old debian server that hasn't been updated in months(tm) I now wanted to upgrade the thing and now it tries to install x11/mesa crap how can I find out what is pulling this dependencies? |
| 13:11.23 | babilen | Ge0rG: Regarding your "installing testing" vs "testing the installer" -- This very much depends on the time in the release cycle, but most of the time it is, in fact, both. *Our* statement is: Install stable and upgrade to that unless we are *sure* (pretty late in the release cycle) that the installer dailies are working. The installer development team, naturally, thinks of their installers as tools to install the testing release. |
| 13:12.08 | Nik05 | thomas_sch what version on debian do you have on it now? |
| 13:12.23 | babilen | It's more that we, in here and in #debian-next, are lazy and want the users we support to most likely succeed with their installation rather then to throw them into the "test everything" state. Hell, we don't even know if testing might be installable at any given time. |
| 13:13.05 | thomas_sch | I got a debian stable running on it 6.0.4 |
| 13:14.01 | petn-randall | thomas_sch: Upgrade it to the latest version of squeeze first, then try to upgrade. |
| 13:14.33 | babilen | Ge0rG: The proper usb installation procedure is detailed in the <install guide>, but I agree that our image download pages could be improved *massively*. Trust me, I've been trying to argue in favour of that for quite some time, but in the end sombody has to do the work and there does not seem to be a person that could/wants to do it. Feel free to file a bug and discuss it in #debian-www on irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:17.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell thomas_sch -about wheezy release notes |
| 13:17.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell thomas_sch -about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 13:19.59 | petern_ | u/win 32 |
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| 13:22.01 | jlim | hey guys |
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| 13:22.49 | benben159 | hey |
| 13:23.00 | jlim | benben159: hey\ |
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| 13:23.53 | benben159 | jlim it is a good day, right :D |
| 13:24.05 | jlim | benben159: do you when jessie is scheduled to release? |
| 13:24.18 | petern_ | Bah, wish my soundcard drivers supported suspending :S |
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| 13:24.26 | jlim | benben159: yes good day and you? |
| 13:25.09 | jlim | anybody know when jessie is scheduled to be released? |
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| 13:25.27 | benben159 | jlim me too. i don't have any knowledge about release schedule, but i think jessie is good enough for daily use. CMIIW |
| 13:25.43 | BluesKaj | 'Morning all |
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| 13:26.05 | jlim | BluesKaj: morning |
| 13:26.20 | BluesKaj | Hey jlim |
| 13:26.43 | jlim | coffee break is over... seeya guys |
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| 13:28.20 | BluesKaj | do you guys think jessie with KDE is more nvidia friendly than wheezy...not getting anywhere with the nvidia drivers on wheezy-kde, X fails with no screens found |
| 13:29.21 | BluesKaj | went thru this tut , but I still only get the VT/TTY login, https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Installation |
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| 13:34.33 | Snafu777 | Can someone recommend me a room to deal with creation of .deb packages and some issues i'm dealing with regarding the control file not being implemented properly? |
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| 13:36.52 | BluesKaj | oddly enough lspci -knn | egrep -A 3 'VGA|3D' says kernel driver iin use is nvidia |
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| 13:38.25 | petern_ | nvidia works fine on wheezy for me |
| 13:40.20 | BluesKaj | petern_, gnome ? |
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| 13:40.33 | themill | dpkg: tell Snafu777 about mentors |
| 13:40.49 | mintgreen | http://paste.debian.net/111210/ ,how to fix this? |
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| 13:42.13 | themill | mintgreen: do you really mean /dev/cdd ? |
| 13:42.35 | rms220 | Snafu777, just download any *.deb from repo, copy control file to your app and modify contents |
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| 13:42.49 | mintgreen | themill: yes |
| 13:42.57 | mintgreen | why not? |
| 13:43.17 | Snafu777 | rms220: Thats not my question, i can build a .deb fine |
| 13:43.33 | Snafu777 | themill: omg.... not my question |
| 13:44.13 | themill | Snafu777: perhaps you should just ask your question, then ;) |
| 13:44.22 | themill | mintgreen: that's a pretty unusual device name |
| 13:44.33 | Snafu777 | I provide a repo for a device (n900), I am trying to have one .deb that is an instructional set. If I want to "inform" the device that i have created a new package and want it to install it, i can modify my instructional .debs control file to recommend or depend on it... Do cool stuff with postinst, etc... |
| 13:45.06 | Snafu777 | That being said, I set Recommends in the control file pointing to the various other debs i wanted installed should somebody have this one .deb on their system |
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| 13:45.25 | Snafu777 | In the past, I've used apt-get --no-install-recommends install <deb> to avoid HUGE apt-get installs |
| 13:45.52 | Snafu777 | With that same methodology, i figured that i could put recommends in the field, and the other debs would be added if --no-install-recommends syntax wasnt there |
| 13:46.06 | Snafu777 | that being said, on a fresh device, i did apt-get install control-file |
| 13:46.11 | Snafu777 | and it showed the recommended debs |
| 13:46.13 | Snafu777 | but didnt install them |
| 13:46.18 | Snafu777 | On the same token |
| 13:46.24 | Snafu777 | on the other debs, i recommend the controol file |
| 13:46.29 | themill | takes away Snafu777's <enter> key |
| 13:46.29 | Snafu777 | So, my question is |
| 13:46.32 | Snafu777 | What did i do wrong? |
| 13:46.47 | themill | You'd need to actually pastebin real output and real control files. |
| 13:46.49 | Snafu777 | Why did my control file, upon being apt-get installed, not pull down the other debs? |
| 13:46.53 | Snafu777 | sure |
| 13:46.54 | Snafu777 | one moment |
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| 13:48.28 | Snafu777 | http://pastebin.com/edWYr83J |
| 13:48.34 | Snafu777 | that is a parse of dpkg --info |
| 13:48.37 | Snafu777 | for all the files |
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| 13:48.52 | Snafu777 | pwnphone-updates is my "controlling deb" |
| 13:49.11 | Snafu777 | I really appreciate this help guys =) |
| 13:49.14 | Snafu777 | and gals |
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| 13:50.14 | themill | Snafu777: newly recommended packages aren't installed on an upgrade btw |
| 13:50.31 | Snafu777 | Ahah |
| 13:50.41 | Snafu777 | So, if i create cool-file.deb, how do i push it? |
| 13:50.44 | Snafu777 | I've seen repos do this |
| 13:50.58 | themill | ? |
| 13:51.04 | Snafu777 | I'd prefer to avoid using Depends: |
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| 13:51.36 | Snafu777 | Lets say i build a .deb and i want all my users to have it, without emailing them about it, and by just being able to do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade they get it pushed to them |
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| 13:52.26 | OpenTokix | Snafu777: you dont have any configuration managment? |
| 13:52.34 | Snafu777 | And can I do it, without putting it in my Depends: under my control file.... I want them to be able to remove my files if they so choose, but i want them recommended and pushed always (unless they specifiy apt-get --no-install-recommends) |
| 13:52.41 | Snafu777 | No, wasn't aware I could OpenTokix |
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| 13:53.32 | Snafu777 | take kali-linux as a prime example, when they release new .debs, they get automatically pushed upon and update && upgrade |
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| 13:53.57 | OpenTokix | Snafu777: yes, beacause they have added kalilinux repos to their dists, like debian have debian repors |
| 13:54.00 | OpenTokix | repos |
| 13:54.14 | Snafu777 | Right, I can add the files to my repos |
| 13:54.17 | OpenTokix | Snafu777: so you need to setup a local repo, with your cool-file.deb and add that repo to all clietns, and install that package |
| 13:54.25 | Snafu777 | That is no issue, as i use reprepro to manage my repo |
| 13:54.26 | themill | dpkg: tell Snafu777 about own repo |
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| 13:54.59 | Snafu777 | My question is how do i push it to the client, where the client does apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, and the file is pushed to them |
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| 13:56.03 | centrx | Snafu777, Maybe you could add a Depends. Maybe you could label the package "Essential". The correct solution is to use configuration management. |
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| 13:56.37 | Snafu777 | ok, let me see what i can come up with centrx, THANK you for listening =) |
| 13:56.40 | themill | Snafu777: please stop using the word "push". You're using it in a way that no-one is understanding. |
| 13:56.52 | centrx | Snafu777, Mirrors aren't designed to implant a random package on clients |
| 13:56.54 | Snafu777 | what would the terminology be then themill ? |
| 13:57.15 | centrx | Snafu777, It's all pull, apt-get is just downloading files by HTTP based on what it finds in the package lists |
| 13:57.21 | Snafu777 | Right, but I need to be able to do this, and there "must" be a proper way, i'm sure i'm not the first person in the history of the world to come up with the idea to "push" packages |
| 13:57.48 | themill | Snafu777: mirrors make packages available to clients, they do not push them down their throats. |
| 13:57.52 | Snafu777 | It's just a really hard term to google-search for "pushing packages", especially since themill seems to tell me that's the wrong wording |
| 13:58.18 | Snafu777 | right, themill, but in this case I need to push them to them, as it is a pentest repo, for contracts out in the field |
| 13:58.47 | phealy | Hey all, weird problem here. I'm setting up a dedicated server I just ordered. They provided a stock debian wheezy image and it gets ~95mbps up and downstream per speedtest-cli. I installed a fresh image using testing (since this will be a test server) and my network performance has gone to nothing - from 90+mbps to 15-30kbps. the NIC is an intel 82566DM-2 using the e1000e driver, the connection is 100Mb/s FD, which I've already tried tweaking settings on (setti |
| 13:58.48 | themill | That's not how repos work. |
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| 13:59.56 | Snafu777 | themill: I got that. I 100% completly understand what you are saying, however I don't know if you are understanding me, I am trying to "hack" this together, and I promise you, I'm not the only one who would want to do this. I think the term configuration management is what i am going to research based on other's input |
| 14:00.04 | Snafu777 | Again, thank u for your time folks. It is much appreciated =) |
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| 14:01.07 | themill | Snafu777: if you want to remote control machines, you need something designed to remote control them (puppet, chef, salt, ...) |
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| 14:01.54 | Snafu777 | Right, but this is not remote control in that sense themill, I don't have "control" of other peoples devices, i just need a way to inform them of new packages available and push them to them without forcing them to be on a mailing list, and the simplest method is apt-get |
| 14:02.24 | themill | Well you add the package to the repo and that makes it available. |
| 14:02.38 | Snafu777 | right, but how does the client know its there if they dont search for it |
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| 14:03.26 | phealy | snafu777: something like cron-apt configured on the client? |
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| 14:03.58 | Snafu777 | cron-apt, another thing to search for, assuming its not a cron job |
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| 14:04.37 | Snafu777 | nope, cron-apt not what i want |
| 14:04.41 | crsuarez_ | wc |
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| 14:04.58 | jhutchins | Snafu777: spacewalk |
| 14:05.43 | Snafu777 | jhutchins: what des rpm have to do with deb? =) |
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| 14:09.08 | Snafu777 | heads off to pastebin to type up what it is exactly he is designing in hopes that somebody will read it, the lightbulb will go off, and they will be like "holy cow!" Now I get it, "Heck Snafu, that's easy, here is what ya do.........." |
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| 14:10.45 | jhutchins | Snafu777: RedHat has a functional management server called Satellite. |
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| 14:11.34 | tyho | Snafu777: what is wrong with cron-apt? |
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| 14:11.51 | giovi_321 | Hi |
| 14:12.10 | giovi_321 | How can I activate irqpoll option in grub without making it permanent? |
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| 14:12.46 | tyho | giovi_321: editing the boot parameters when the kernel list comes up? press the e key to edit teh command line for one boot only |
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| 14:13.11 | giovi_321 | tyho: thankyou, I got there but I don't know either what and where to write |
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| 14:13.42 | giovi_321 | I pressed "e" when grub started, but then I dont' know how to edit it |
| 14:13.42 | tyho | giovi_321: I am guessing you append the irqpoll option to the end of the boot parameters |
| 14:13.59 | giovi_321 | tyho: ok I'll try, thank you |
| 14:14.24 | giovi_321 | mmm |
| 14:14.33 | giovi_321 | it says unknown option "irqpoll" |
| 14:14.39 | giovi_321 | I just added it at the end of the file |
| 14:14.56 | tyho | file? |
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| 14:15.06 | tyho | I thought you were editing the command line in grub? |
| 14:15.17 | giovi_321 | yes I am |
| 14:15.33 | giovi_321 | I called it file, sorry |
| 14:15.35 | centrx | giovi_321, Editing it in grub does not edit the file |
| 14:16.04 | giovi_321 | nono I wasn't editing the file, sorry |
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| 14:16.48 | petern_ | add it to the end of the kernel line, the one with things like quiet and splash on it. |
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| 14:17.01 | giovi_321 | should I write next to kernel? |
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| 14:17.54 | giovi_321 | ok I put it next to "kernel....." |
| 14:18.11 | petern_ | no, it should be at the end of the line |
| 14:18.59 | giovi_321 | at the end of which line? |
| 14:19.07 | petern_ | The kernel line. |
| 14:19.24 | giovi_321 | by chance that's what I did |
| 14:19.26 | giovi_321 | :D |
| 14:19.52 | giovi_321 | http://pastebin.com/ENMEVyBx |
| 14:20.06 | giovi_321 | that's why I'm trying to use irqpoll |
| 14:20.22 | giovi_321 | anyone had experience with this error? |
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| 14:57.26 | Ove_ | Would increased memory usage cause higher iowait ? |
| 14:57.39 | Ove_ | In this case memory is being used by postgres. |
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| 14:58.08 | Ove_ | (iowait is measured by new relic (which I don't trust)) |
| 14:58.12 | abrotman | iowait is typically disk .. iotop may help you |
| 14:58.24 | Ove_ | But there's no traffic to the disk almost. |
| 14:58.43 | Ove_ | I am not seeing this with iotop/dstat/iostat and so on. |
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| 15:00.05 | Ove_ | Any ideas of finding out? |
| 15:00.07 | jelly-home | Ove_: if your vendor is overselling their RAM usage and your "increased memory usage" ends up being their "paging to disk" on the host... |
| 15:00.29 | Ove_ | This is on amazon. |
| 15:00.30 | abrotman | Is it a VPS? |
| 15:00.34 | Ove_ | I guess they oversell. :P |
| 15:00.44 | jelly-home | it's in THE CLOUD, of course they oversell |
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| 15:01.51 | Neogreen | lol |
| 15:02.15 | Neogreen | they all oversell |
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| 15:02.21 | Neogreen | You can oversell XEN/OpenVZ/KV |
| 15:02.23 | Neogreen | KVM |
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| 15:43.10 | LIER0 | hi, I can't find a bashrc file in /etc/ wheezy? o.o |
| 15:43.18 | LIER0 | how can I add environment variables |
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| 15:43.53 | Shadow_7 | LIER0: bashrc is .bashrc in ~/. the /etc/ one is /etc/profile? been a while |
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| 15:47.00 | LIER0 | wat |
| 15:47.22 | LIER0 | ~/.bashrc permission denied as su |
| 15:47.23 | LIER0 | o.o |
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| 15:49.00 | duggles | there is also /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 15:52.53 | jhutchins | LIER0: Do you know about the locate command? |
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| 15:53.08 | LIER0 | no |
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| 15:53.35 | LIER0 | i do now |
| 15:53.36 | LIER0 | lol |
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| 15:54.30 | jere | So I have downloaded Linux source on Debian. Now instead of building a dummy kernel module against kernel installed in /lib/build, I rather want to build it against the linux source that I have downloaded and placed in /usr/src/linux-source-3.2. Now I have run through kbuild documentation and it doesn't talk about building a kernel module against kernel source. Can anyone pin point a resource? |
| 15:54.38 | jere | I got disconnected. ;( |
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| 15:56.56 | Resiliente | hello to everyone, I'm having trouble with parted, with moving partitions, I can do it with gparted (gnome graphical shell for parted) but not with parted itself, what's going on? |
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| 15:58.58 | jhutchins | Resiliente: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 15:59.46 | frostschutz | Resiliente, gparted has functionality that parted doesn't |
| 15:59.50 | Snafu777 | Alright, here we go, I've typed up what I was trying to explain earlier |
| 15:59.56 | Snafu777 | http://pastebin.com/PnK3mFpn |
| 16:00.03 | Snafu777 | I would MUCH appreciate any feedback |
| 16:00.04 | jere | So I have downloaded Linux source on Debian. Now instead of building a dummy kernel module against kernel installed in /lib/build, I rather want to build it against the linux source that I have downloaded and placed in /usr/src/linux-source-3.2. Now I have run through kbuild documentation and it doesn't talk about building a kernel module against kernel source. Can anyone pin point a resource? |
| 16:00.33 | Resiliente | jhutchins, resize a partion (it orked ok) and move it to the free space of the drive (did not work properly) I expected to be able to do it, as other times in the past |
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| 16:02.13 | Snafu777 | themill: Would u mind checking out that pastebin? |
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| 16:03.19 | Resiliente | jhutchins, moreover, with gparted (gnome graphical shell for parted) it worked |
| 16:03.23 | Skaag | how do I get a device to be managed by network manager? |
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| 16:04.32 | Resiliente | Skaag, easily, don't, use instead /etc/network/interfaces conf file |
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| 16:05.16 | Skaag | I don't want to use interfaces, I need the functionality network-manager provides. I've been using interfaces for a while now. |
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| 16:06.03 | _unreal_ | just wondering but does any one live in florida? |
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| 16:06.46 | Resiliente | _unreal_, me don't |
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| 16:10.46 | jhutchins | Skaag: Devices not configured in the interfaces file should automatically be managed by network-manager. If this is not the case, more information is needed. |
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| 16:11.50 | jhutchins | _unreal_: yes, 19.37 million people |
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| 16:12.22 | _unreal_ | heh sigh... hadnt noticed |
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| 16:16.17 | Skaag | jhutchins: thanks |
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| 16:16.26 | Skaag | _unreal_: I'm in Florida right now |
| 16:16.40 | Skaag | Just landed last night |
| 16:16.48 | _unreal_ | :) cool |
| 16:16.51 | _unreal_ | ya I'm in south florida |
| 16:17.12 | Skaag | I'm in Fort Lauderdale |
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| 16:17.23 | Skaag | visiting my working ladies at this strip bar |
| 16:17.24 | Skaag | just kidding |
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| 16:17.39 | Skaag | I'm here for work, unfortunately :) |
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| 16:20.25 | _unreal_ | heh, ya saddly this is my slow time of year work wise, I work on super yachts |
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| 16:22.07 | _unreal_ | Skaag, has it been mostly sunny or passing T storms? |
| 16:22.26 | jmcnaught | we have #debian-offtopic for discussing the weather, travel, where people live and what not. |
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| 16:24.10 | Skaag | it's cloudy, and raining |
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| 16:24.24 | Skaag | I have X11 running as a user (not root) |
| 16:25.45 | Skaag | how do I allow root to connect to it, without xhost +? |
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| 16:25.56 | Skaag | it's a box without a network connection, I can't instal x11-utils |
| 16:26.02 | _unreal_ | well I'm off, I was going to futz with this big media server tower but I discovered a fatal flaw (MY ERROR) on my last install and have to do it over again. |
| 16:26.13 | Skaag | _unreal_: good luck :) |
| 16:26.50 | _unreal_ | building a massive media server tower based on debian, has what 46 TB of storage for movies on my network at home |
| 16:27.22 | _unreal_ | have not started loading any data on it yet. its all virgin. I need to build the linux setup first |
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| 16:27.47 | _unreal_ | but late tonight I believe I shall fight that battle again |
| 16:28.09 | _unreal_ | also will need to figure out live transcoding for streaming to xbox and ps3 |
| 16:28.12 | meaneye | Skaag, did you check xauth? Says it's local connection via pipe. |
| 16:28.30 | meaneye | I know there's a solution to your problem because in the past someone helped me with similar issue. But I forgot the exact solution. |
| 16:28.34 | _unreal_ | till then, heading the the keys for some snorkeling :) |
| 16:28.44 | Skaag | _unreal_: enjoy |
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| 16:30.30 | DammitJim | silly question... I want to have a dual boot system on my laptop (I have done this before but don't remember) |
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| 16:30.38 | DammitJim | what should I install first: WIndows or Debian? |
| 16:30.47 | meaneye | Windwos |
| 16:30.48 | DammitJim | I think Windows then Debian sets up Grub nicely, right? |
| 16:30.51 | meaneye | Winblows. |
| 16:30.51 | DammitJim | that's what I thought |
| 16:30.52 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 16:30.55 | meaneye | YW. |
| 16:31.02 | meaneye | Windows overwrites MBR |
| 16:31.06 | meaneye | Buuut. |
| 16:31.09 | DammitJim | the only reason why I want Windows is because that's the only way to update the bios |
| 16:31.10 | DammitJim | crap |
| 16:31.12 | meaneye | Do note, Debian doesn't like UEFI. |
| 16:31.15 | meaneye | So legacy must be on. |
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| 16:31.19 | DammitJim | oh really? |
| 16:31.22 | formorer | meaneye: ehm. wrong. |
| 16:31.26 | DammitJim | there is no way to do uefi with Debian? |
| 16:31.27 | meaneye | I am? |
| 16:31.30 | meaneye | Nice. |
| 16:31.39 | formorer | uefi is supported since wheezy |
| 16:31.45 | meaneye | Okay, then am wrong. :) |
| 16:32.04 | meaneye | In that case DammitJim it doesn't matter which comes first. |
| 16:32.14 | formorer | what is not supported is encrypted uefi, but I never heard of a normal customer device that enforces secure boot |
| 16:32.27 | DammitJim | wait wait... you guys are confusing |
| 16:32.29 | DammitJim | me |
| 16:32.42 | DammitJim | Debian doesn't support uefi and I'm going to have to set it to legacy? |
| 16:32.57 | _unreal_ | Skaag, I generally do privet contract work just off of marina mile in fort lauderdale, if you get some down time go to the coast in FT LAUDERDALE, check out some of the bars and resturants, oasis cafe, and buba gump would be in my top list of places to go |
| 16:32.59 | formorer | DammitJim: it does. |
| 16:33.00 | meaneye | DammitJim, UEFI is the one who boots OS... so MBR doesn't play a role anymore. That's why it doesn't matter which one you install first. |
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| 16:33.16 | formorer | DammitJim: it doesn't support secure boot, which is a specialized variant of uefi |
| 16:33.25 | DammitJim | yeah, no secure stuff here |
| 16:33.28 | rasc | _unreal_: #debian-offtopic is this way --> |
| 16:33.37 | meaneye | How is this offtopic? |
| 16:33.39 | DammitJim | so, I can move on and install Debian before Windows? |
| 16:33.55 | DammitJim | crap, I'm going to have to learn how to do this Debian boot thing now |
| 16:34.12 | meaneye | Yup. I still rock my stuff with legacy. Not many reinstalls :D |
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| 16:34.13 | formorer | DammitJim: I wouldn't bet on windows not touching the efi partition. starting with windows is usually safer. |
| 16:34.21 | rasc | meaneye: I was talking with _unreal_ |
| 16:34.36 | meaneye | rasc, Sorry, my bad. :D |
| 16:34.45 | meaneye | No allnighters anymore for me. |
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| 16:35.43 | DammitJim | ok, thanks |
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| 16:37.09 | atannus | meaneye, I'm in i3 but there is only a status line at the bottom with some info, and nothing else, is that it? |
| 16:37.47 | meaneye | Yep. |
| 16:37.50 | meaneye | Lovely isn't it? |
| 16:38.08 | atannus | meaneye, yes, quite so. But how do I make it more useful? |
| 16:38.23 | meaneye | Oh, I can share my config if you wish. |
| 16:38.42 | atannus | meaneye, Sure, the basics, so I can get going... |
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| 16:39.31 | rasc | atannus: did it asked you which mod key do you want to use? |
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| 16:40.17 | meaneye | atannus, PMed you my config. |
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| 16:40.26 | meaneye | And here's the screen shot. |
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| 16:40.29 | meaneye | https://i.imgur.com/XMFJeee.png |
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| 16:41.37 | sakal | hi, how to use codeblocks with GLFW on debain? I start master of new project, choise GLFW project and when codeblocks as me about glfw place. I'm try to set /usr (codeblocks want a folder with headers and libraries of glfw), but they can't find any files. In fact headers in /usr/include/GLFW and libraries in /usr/lib/{arch}/ |
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| 16:41.53 | sakal | so, has a debian a solution for this case? |
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| 16:42.22 | liquidAnger | karmasik soru |
| 16:43.00 | centrx | sakal, Install the -dev package for GLFW? |
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| 16:43.22 | sakal | yes |
| 16:43.40 | sakal | centrx: of course. |
| 16:44.20 | sakal | I can download archive from glfw site, but I think to use debian actual installation |
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| 16:45.09 | centrx | sakal, So if you run this command, what is the output: dpkg -l |grep glfw |
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| 16:46.47 | sakal | centrx: https://gist.github.com/sakal/8bd5c9b4839ddab48202 |
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| 16:47.47 | centrx | sakal, Presumably you can set the appropriate directory in Code Blocks if the default is wrong |
| 16:48.10 | atannus | meaneye, sorry, discovered alt+enter |
| 16:48.20 | meaneye | Yeah. |
| 16:48.24 | atannus | meaneye, this is orgasmic. |
| 16:48.38 | meaneye | On the first sight it doesn't look like much... but it's awesome. Does everything for you. |
| 16:48.56 | atannus | no borders or fancy animation. |
| 16:49.08 | meaneye | Nope. |
| 16:49.09 | atannus | and kb friendly, this is awesome. |
| 16:49.16 | meaneye | Then again, whole window manager takes 8MB of RAM. |
| 16:49.17 | meaneye | :) |
| 16:49.27 | meaneye | Wait until you discover scratchpad. :) |
| 16:49.34 | meaneye | Anyway... enough ot. :) |
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| 16:52.44 | nf7 | Anyone running openbox? What task bar are you using? |
| 16:54.11 | centrx | nf7, fbpanel |
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| 16:56.30 | nf7 | centrx: Any chance you could show me a screenshot of your setup? |
| 16:56.43 | nf7 | I'm running tint2 right now, but it's buggy and annoying. |
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| 17:00.00 | Walex | nf7: task bars are for softies :-) |
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| 17:00.50 | nf7 | Walex: What do you use |
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| 17:01.20 | Walex | nf7: on one system just default OpenBox, on another KDE 4.13 |
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| 17:01.33 | Walex | one extreme to another :-) |
| 17:01.42 | Shadow_7 | I use cwm. No decorations or task bar and spiffy speed wise. |
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| 17:02.02 | Walex | nf7: in both I start most commands including GUI one from a shell |
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| 17:02.32 | Walex | Shadow_7: Real Geeks use tiling window managers written in long dead languages |
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| 17:04.04 | Shadow_7 | I can't stand tilinng wms. But to each their own. |
| 17:04.13 | Walex | for example a window manager with windows in the shape of Penrose tiles, written in early Akkadian |
| 17:04.28 | centrx | nf7, My fbpanel looks like the screenshot at the front page of http://fbpanel.sourceforge.net/ except even more basic |
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| 17:05.43 | tilt | Shadow_7: so you mean real geeks use the windows metro gui? |
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| 17:05.48 | tilt | Shadow_7: :D |
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| 17:06.33 | Shadow_7 | I wouldn't know. Linux has been my primary OS since '02 |
| 17:07.03 | Shadow_7 | plus lacking in the employment realmn (go USA) for most of the past decade. |
| 17:07.21 | tilt | is employed |
| 17:07.28 | tilt | have windows desktop ^^ |
| 17:07.35 | Mousey | congrats tilt. fix your desktop |
| 17:07.36 | nf7 | What language was the Metro UI written in? |
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| 17:07.44 | tilt | but pushing debian everywhere :D |
| 17:08.07 | Shadow_7 | the advantage of unemployed, aside from everyday is a friday. Is that you have no "need" to use windows... ever |
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| 17:08.19 | nf7 | why would you want to use windows in the first place |
| 17:08.19 | Mousey | i haven't used windows in 16 years, and i've been employed many place =P |
| 17:08.25 | tilt | Mousey: nah if i wasted time integrating my pc desktop i would miss 10 opportunities to install linux elsewhere |
| 17:08.26 | Mousey | +s |
| 17:08.32 | tilt | Mousey: :] |
| 17:08.33 | Skaag | jhutchins: it still doesn't see it, despite removing the entry from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:08.50 | Mousey | tilt: but it would make 100 more opportunities for linux elsewhere if you lead by example. ;) |
| 17:09.03 | tilt | Mousey: are you sure that it works like that? :) |
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| 17:09.10 | Mousey | tilt: yes. |
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| 17:09.15 | tilt | uh hu |
| 17:09.21 | Mousey | i have many experience |
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| 17:09.24 | Mousey | :D |
| 17:09.31 | tilt | do you |
| 17:09.33 | tilt | :) |
| 17:09.50 | Mousey | yea. 20 years of them! 18 of them with debian |
| 17:10.01 | Mousey | tho i'm in fedora right now >_> |
| 17:10.08 | tilt | and you install debian desktop? :D |
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| 17:10.16 | Mousey | yes, it's my gaming platform of choice! |
| 17:10.23 | jhutchins | Skaag: You might need to restart network-manager, but if that doesn't do it then we need more info; which release, what hardware, pciid of hardware, confirm desktop environment, etc. |
| 17:10.24 | tilt | for xbill? :D |
| 17:10.36 | Mousey | tilt: well Steam, but yeah, xbill too :D |
| 17:10.43 | tilt | haha ok ^^ |
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| 17:13.11 | tilt | Mousey: well, linux doesn't need our help anyway - android is linux, and android has won against windows ^^ |
| 17:13.31 | tilt | a huge success |
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| 17:13.57 | Mousey | android is linux like Taco Bell is "mexican food" |
| 17:14.05 | Shadow_7 | That's the one thing I hate about I.T. ... been employed "MANY" places ... |
| 17:14.16 | Mousey | Shadow_7++ |
| 17:14.27 | Shadow_7 | especially if that implies months between places, and relocating on your dime. |
| 17:14.35 | tilt | android is linux :) it's our biggest success :) billions of installations! :D |
| 17:14.38 | Mousey | fortunately for me it does not |
| 17:14.52 | centrx | Just need to find that one place that will pay your proper one-million-dollar salary. |
| 17:14.53 | Mousey | tilt: there are a lot of Taco Bells too |
| 17:14.59 | tilt | that is true |
| 17:15.02 | tilt | :) |
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| 17:17.48 | tilt | Mousey: imagine all those devices where windows phones |
| 17:18.05 | Skaag | it's debian jessy, with a very recent nmcli. the wifi adapter is an ath9k (atheros), it's detected by the system. when I restart network-manager, nm-tool now shows wlan0 and also eth0 as State: unavailable |
| 17:19.22 | Mousey | tilt: they'd never work |
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| 17:19.30 | rasc | dwarffortress doesn't need steam |
| 17:19.36 | jordanm | Skaag: is pid 1 systemd? |
| 17:19.39 | tilt | Mousey: there'd be a huge industry centered on making them work |
| 17:19.42 | Mousey | tilt: they barely work now. I hardly consider Dalvik a robust runtime |
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| 17:19.56 | Skaag | init [2] |
| 17:20.03 | Skaag | pid 1 is: init [2] |
| 17:20.28 | Mousey | and? Dalvik/Linux is a subset of the kernel. It's easier to say Android is -based- on Linux, than to say it actually is a linux. |
| 17:20.29 | tilt | ahh, system bootup on unstable |
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| 17:20.43 | Shadow_7 | Skaag: if the device is defined in /etc/network/interfaces, then network manager ignores it's existence. |
| 17:20.46 | tilt | who gave the service startup console messages animated prefixes? |
| 17:20.50 | jordanm | Skaag: modern network-manager needs logind |
| 17:20.56 | tilt | that person needs to be neutered |
| 17:21.12 | Mousey | points at Poettering |
| 17:21.26 | jordanm | Shadow_7: no it doesn't. it should display it as "unmanaged" |
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| 17:21.41 | Mousey | ok, that's enough blather out of me |
| 17:21.45 | Mousey | sods of back to lurk |
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| 17:23.58 | Shadow_7 | jordanm: and still fails to use it, so what's the difference? ignored / unmanaged / ??? jargon of the week |
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| 17:24.37 | jordanm | Shadow_7: you can configure network-manager to still use it anyways - see /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
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| 17:25.32 | Shadow_7 | most of my network devices are quirky, so network-manager always fails to manage any of them always. |
| 17:25.47 | Shadow_7 | at least the wifi ones. |
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| 17:26.43 | Shadow_7 | i.e. first thing that needs to be set after the module is loaded is the ESSID, or it can never be set without reloading the module |
| 17:26.51 | rasc | Shadow_7: It's your falt because you use bad hardware |
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| 17:27.29 | Skaag | Shadow_7: I removed it from /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:27.52 | sheap | anyone know what this preseed error is? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7843007/ |
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| 17:28.08 | sheap | I don't have 'debconf-apt' anywhere in my preseed.. |
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| 17:32.12 | rasc | skaag: what are you trying to do, and what do you get, again? |
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| 17:41.39 | tworkin | how do i see which package owns a file /usr/bin/foo ? |
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| 17:42.11 | centrx | tworkin, dpkg -S |
| 17:43.06 | aramus | hi there, i just cloned my harddrive as a backup using the DD command and now for some reason I cannot get the original harddrive to work, I get the error Alert! Cant find disk by-uuid. I already booted live image and updated grub and made sure the fstab uuid was correct, and still I get the same error. |
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| 17:45.13 | mtn | aramus: are you sure the original hard drive is in original condition? data is still all there? |
| 17:45.29 | aramus | mtn: yes |
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| 17:45.46 | mtn | aramus: fails on boot, is that correct? |
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| 17:46.23 | aramus | mtn: yes I get the same error message Alert! /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xx$ does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 17:47.07 | mtn | aramus: perhaps you should remove the uuid in grub.cfg and try using /dev/sdxx |
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| 17:48.09 | aramus | mtn I will give it a shot, thanks |
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| 17:53.33 | Shadow_7 | UUID is partition specific. Perhaps you now have to two partitions with the same UUID. |
| 17:54.21 | Shadow_7 | I tend to clone with rsync. So I can manually set UUID and choose a filesystem / defrag it in the process. |
| 17:54.25 | aramus | they do have the same UUID, however the other disk is not in |
| 17:55.34 | Shadow_7 | did you setup a /etc/fstab for it? systemd seems more picky if you opt not to have an /etc/fstab |
| 17:55.50 | aramus | yes the fstab was good |
| 17:55.51 | jhutchins | Identical UUIDs would have to be manually assigned, which is not a simple process. |
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| 17:56.25 | jhutchins | Ok, cloned with DD that might be possible. |
| 17:56.28 | Skaag | rasc: I think it works after rebooting |
| 17:56.44 | aramus | I think i thas to do with /dev/sdx like mtn said because the other disk works fine, the cloned disk |
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| 17:56.48 | Skaag | now my problem is that this USB Atheros Wifi device is draining more power through the USB than the board is able to provide |
| 17:56.51 | jhutchins | aramus: How about using something other than UUID to identify the partition? |
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| 17:57.28 | rasc | Skaag: what is your hardware? |
| 17:57.28 | Shadow_7 | aramus: if you have a usb distro install, you could update-grub on it and use it to boot your distro |
| 17:57.45 | dalias | i don't get why this uuid mess was imposed on normal users |
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| 17:57.55 | dalias | it makes sense for special setups with multiple internal disks |
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| 17:58.19 | aramus | Shadow_7 I just booted the live and tried update-grub and it still did not boot, going to edit the grub.cfg |
| 17:58.20 | Shadow_7 | with eSata, multiple disks are more common |
| 17:58.23 | dalias | but the ordinary setup is having exactly one internal disk, where you can just use "internal disk, partition #N" as the identifier much more safely than the whole crazy uuid system |
| 17:58.58 | rasc | dalias: until it isn't anymore |
| 17:58.59 | Shadow_7 | and more common since SSDs are not that large on a budget |
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| 18:01.57 | aramus | im not really sure what to edit in this grub.cfg |
| 18:02.27 | aramus | setroot='(hd0,msdos1)' |
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| 18:03.55 | jordanm | aramus: you don't want to edit grub.cfg at all since it's overwritten everytime update-grub is ran |
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| 18:04.06 | sine0 | ident is 113 right ? |
| 18:04.44 | Skaag | rasc: I disconnected the mouse, now it's good |
| 18:04.46 | Skaag | :-0 |
| 18:04.54 | Skaag | that mouse is old and was draining a LOT of power from the USB hub |
| 18:05.00 | Skaag | pretty funny / sad |
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| 18:14.49 | anomaly | I am using ssmtp for sending email. is there a way to set a quota so that certain users can only send x emails per hour or would I need another email solution? |
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| 18:15.37 | pce | which MTA? |
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| 18:17.28 | anomaly | for now, I am combating mail bouncing from porn sites. I narrowed it down to one of my wordpress instances. so, I turned it off. thus, it is php mail's function as I see it. given my ignorance of php, there may be another alternative. my first thought was a quota, but I am up for any other solutions to resolve the issue. |
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| 18:18.30 | pce | i don't know about WP but normal you have to set this maybe in your mail server, so which one do you us: sendmail, exim, ..? |
| 18:18.53 | pce | use |
| 18:18.56 | anomaly | ssmtp. |
| 18:19.09 | pce | its a protocol |
| 18:19.14 | pce | like https |
| 18:19.20 | anomaly | no.. sSMTP is the name of the software. |
| 18:19.47 | anomaly | I am aware that smtp is the protocol :) |
| 18:19.57 | pce | oh sorry idk but maybe they have a channel or you wait for someone else answer. good luck |
| 18:20.07 | anomaly | thank you. |
| 18:20.10 | pce | yw |
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| 18:21.12 | zleslie | Hi. Where is the list of preseed options that I can put in a preseed? There are good examples and stuff, but I want to know every frickin option available and their default vaules. |
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| 18:21.28 | jere | When trying to compile a kernel module against kernel source, this command works `make -C /usr/src/linux M=$PWD modules` while this scripts doesnt work: http://ideone.com/4euRSO |
| 18:21.31 | zleslie | Seems like this should be in a manpage or some such |
| 18:21.50 | jere | Instead it yields: nothing to be done for default |
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| 18:22.08 | jhutchins | pce: ssmtp is also "simple smtp server". |
| 18:22.27 | jhutchins | anomaly: How is the mail getting into your system? |
| 18:22.30 | jere | Now, for the default target: the line simply should be: make -C /usr/src/linux M=$PWD modules |
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| 18:23.45 | juveniz | Hello guys! I have a CUPS server working flawlessly for my network. When I check the print jobs, there is a column named User with a user name on it. My question is where does CUPS gets the user name from? |
| 18:24.20 | aramus | hmm what is wierd how it boots only if the clone harddrive is in |
| 18:25.14 | anomaly | jhutchins, to make sure I understand you.. what are you asking 'mail getting into your system' the machine does not do incoming mail. it only processes outgoing mail for "contact us" php scripts. |
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| 18:25.53 | dalias | anomaly, it sounds like your wordpress site got hacked by porn spammers, no? if so you need to find out how it happened, fix the vuln, clean your data to make sure there's not a way for them to get back in via the data, then wipe, reinstall, and reload your data |
| 18:26.05 | jhutchins | anomaly: So something is using the php script to send mail out from your server. |
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| 18:26.40 | dalias | rate-limiting it is not the fix |
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| 18:26.50 | jhutchins | anomaly: Clearly you need to secure the script. Restrict the addresses the system can send to (should be you only), perhaps use a captcha to prevent bots from using it. |
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| 18:30.39 | cybrNaut | zleslie: preseeding is a mess. I'm sure you will not find that kind of documetation. It's a trial-error guesswork process |
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| 18:30.54 | d3xter | is it normal, that gddrescue stops "rescuing" data after the first read error? |
| 18:31.14 | zleslie | cybrNaut: That sounds accurate, but fucking terrible |
| 18:31.26 | sheap | cybrNaut: pretty much... http://askubuntu.com/questions/501678/tasksel-error-in-14-04-preseed |
| 18:32.05 | cybrNaut | zleslie: i gave up on it. I tried to follow by example, and the thing got stuck in a loop that made little sense |
| 18:32.32 | zleslie | cybrNaut: Just trying to help a co-worker disable cdrom detection. Of all things... |
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| 18:32.44 | jhutchins | juveniz: I think cups only records that information if it's set up to require autorization to accept jobs (which it isn't by default). |
| 18:32.56 | anomaly | dalias, jhutchins thank you for the responses. |
| 18:33.01 | jhutchins | juveniz: The documentation for the cups configuration file should explain more. |
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| 18:34.23 | jhutchins | anomaly: I'm sure there are other people who've had this problem, the wordpress mailing lists/forums probably have some info on locking it down or using a more secure module. |
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| 18:34.54 | jhutchins | anomaly: ANother option would be to just provide a mailto: link. |
| 18:35.09 | mns | Is there an equivalent of of /sbin/consoletype for debian ? |
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| 18:38.05 | anomaly | jhutchins, I had tried their site and was not getting anywhere nor google terms. there are options with a plugin that I will have to manually configure to be certain, I was curious in coming here, if there were other options. to which have been offered. :) |
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| 18:53.00 | pkkm | in jessie, do apt-get and aptitude share the same database of automatically vs manually installed packages? |
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| 18:53.24 | ckuehl | yes |
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| 18:53.41 | pkkm | when did the merging happen? |
| 18:53.49 | mowcius | So I've got halevt running this file (http://pastebin.com/skmRTbaQ) and it does nothing... I'm pretty sure it's permissions but my fstab has users listed for /dev/sr0 |
| 18:54.56 | Zipf | Ive installed Deluge on my debian box, i have proper ports open on my router, but still all my torrents show me not conectable for outside |
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| 18:55.20 | Zipf | is there anything i have to set on debian ? it's a fresh install of it |
| 18:55.25 | Zipf | like iptables ? |
| 18:55.59 | Cpuroast | iptables wouldn't be active by default |
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| 18:56.52 | Zipf | ok, so better check router ports ? |
| 18:57.48 | teraflops | you can activate upnp if you want/your roiter supports that Zipf |
| 18:57.58 | Zipf | is there any cmd i can run on console, to check if an specific port is openend ? |
| 18:58.13 | Zipf | it's an airport extreme router it support upnp |
| 18:58.33 | teraflops | then set the port mapping to auto on deluge Zipf |
| 18:58.45 | teraflops | that should work |
| 18:59.08 | rasc | Zipf: netstat -t |
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| 18:59.44 | Zipf | humm |
| 18:59.50 | Zipf | netstat -t shows nothing for me |
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| 19:01.35 | rasc | Zipf: netstat -at |
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| 19:09.14 | teraflops | Zipf: i meant something like that that http://a.pomf.se/lbsedq.png |
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| 19:10.18 | safinaskar-i | !calc ftp |
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| 19:11.26 | nf7 | Does anyone know how to get rid of the ugly white background of my notification area icons in the top right corner so they fit in with the theme? Transparency would be ideal: https://i.imgur.com/6EAnBRl.png |
| 19:11.58 | nf7 | This is Xfce btw. No one seems to be responding on their channel so I thought I'd try here since it's popular with Debian users apparently. |
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| 19:15.52 | echo083 | hello |
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| 19:17.15 | nf7 | Nevermind, I figured it out. |
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| 19:25.16 | echo083 | hello rasc i was just saying hello |
| 19:25.51 | echo083 | i'm boring and just connected here to help with debian problems |
| 19:25.58 | echo083 | but seems quiet today |
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| 19:34.45 | tekk | using debian as a router⦠what can one expect the routing performance of WAN -> LAN to be like |
| 19:34.48 | tekk | full 1Gbit ? |
| 19:35.04 | formorer | if you have a 1gbit internet connection... |
| 19:35.05 | centrx | You meant a gateway? |
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| 19:36.32 | echo083 | tekk, you won't have better performance than with a netgear like router |
| 19:36.48 | tekk | hmm |
| 19:36.50 | tekk | basically |
| 19:36.51 | tekk | its buy this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Netgear-R7000-Nighthawk-AC1900-Router/dp/B00HDK4GAK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406142155&sr=8-1&keywords=NETGEAR+R7000 |
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| 19:36.55 | tekk | or make my own router |
| 19:36.59 | tekk | i do have a 1Gbit internet connection yes |
| 19:37.10 | tekk | and curretnly iâm using an Airport Extreme which doesnât have a good enough routing performance |
| 19:37.31 | tekk | thought a linux based one with enough RAM/CPU would give some good va va vroom |
| 19:37.42 | echo083 | tekk, the netgear router is usually the best solution if you have a debian computer as a router you need to have it up the whole time |
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| 19:38.02 | Zipf | rasc |
| 19:38.15 | Zipf | here's the netstat -at |
| 19:38.21 | tekk | i have a gigabyte brix core i3 i can use as the router being powered on all the time⦠but i donât wanna go through all the effort if the performance will be shit |
| 19:38.23 | echo083 | tekk, how many users user your internet connection ? |
| 19:38.23 | rasc | if you have a netgear router, it can be turned off and still route? |
| 19:38.34 | Zipf | http://paste.debian.net/111298/ |
| 19:38.34 | tekk | and i donât wanna spend all that money unneccesarily either |
| 19:38.38 | DrOwl | Hi All, I have confusions around mounting USB Drives.. I'm running jessie, it would seem that the first drive /dev/sdb1, is mounted as /media/usb0, and a second drive /dev/sdc1 is mounted a /media/[user]/[lable], why might that be? |
| 19:38.48 | tekk | echo083, like 2 users⦠but about 10 machines |
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| 19:39.17 | echo083 | tekk, really for two users you'll have the same performance |
| 19:39.45 | echo083 | tekk, but if you have behind it ten computers who are using the connection |
| 19:40.02 | tekk | the netgear R7000 gives 950~ Mbit WAN->LAN |
| 19:40.03 | echo083 | tekk, in the worst case you would have 12 connections at the same time |
| 19:40.09 | tekk | max throughput 1900 Mbit if you max out both |
| 19:40.29 | tekk | iâll never have more than like 12 connections |
| 19:40.42 | tekk | and to be honest⦠only 2 of those connections need to be able to really feel the speed |
| 19:40.43 | echo083 | tekk, in my opinion take a less expensive router and see if performance are what you need |
| 19:40.46 | DrOwl | also the drive mounted as /media/usb0 has permissions issues e.g. a non root user can not wright to it |
| 19:40.50 | tekk | i have a decent router now |
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| 19:40.57 | tekk | but its routing performance caps out at like 400 Mbit |
| 19:41.22 | echo083 | tekk, humm if you buy it and the performance are not good can you send it back ? |
| 19:41.34 | tekk | thats what i was thinking haha |
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| 19:41.49 | echo083 | tekk, :p |
| 19:42.03 | tekk | uk has good law around returns... |
| 19:42.10 | tekk | especially amazon |
| 19:42.42 | echo083 | tekk, i would do that in your case you open nicely and test it quickly without damaging it |
| 19:42.51 | DammitJim | do you guys have a suggested tutorial to install debian on a machine with uefi? |
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| 19:43.30 | tekk | yeah ill have a think⦠cheers |
| 19:43.31 | echo083 | tekk, but i'm afraid 160L it's very expensive for such material |
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| 19:43.48 | tekk | yip |
| 19:43.59 | tekk | i can buy a NUC for less |
| 19:44.01 | echo083 | tekk, just check if it supports 1Gb/s and it should be good whatever its price |
| 19:44.21 | tekk | well my airport extreme supports 1Gb/s |
| 19:44.23 | tekk | but not in reality |
| 19:44.32 | echo083 | tekk, do you use a switch ? |
| 19:44.43 | echo083 | tekk, sometimes it decrease the connection speed |
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| 19:45.09 | tekk | yes but its not my switch |
| 19:45.22 | echo083 | tekk, what's the reference ? maybe it doesn't support 1Gb |
| 19:45.27 | tekk | ive pumped the full 1gbit through it many times |
| 19:46.03 | echo083 | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Netgear-Range-Wireless-N-Gigabit-Router/dp/B002P54B80/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1406144736&sr=8-9&keywords=NETGEAR+router+1000mbps |
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| 19:46.23 | tekk | that wonât do it |
| 19:46.25 | echo083 | it's a gigabit router i don't tell you to buy this one but there are lot of router less expensive |
| 19:46.45 | echo083 | tekk, why it won't do it ? |
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| 19:47.07 | tekk | http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/router-charts/view |
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| 19:47.17 | tekk | even though its a 1gbit router |
| 19:47.25 | tekk | its performance wonât be good enough to route the whole amount |
| 19:47.43 | echo083 | tekk, nice link i didn't know such comparison existed |
| 19:48.10 | tekk | :) |
| 19:48.39 | echo083 | tekk, ok so if you can send it back if it's good you should prefer this solution |
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| 19:49.18 | DammitJim | I have WIndows 8 already installed |
| 19:49.29 | DammitJim | and when partitioning the disks it's telling me that there is no EFI partition |
| 19:49.50 | DammitJim | however, I can see a fat32 partition that Windows called EFI system partition |
| 19:49.54 | DammitJim | can Debian not use it? |
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| 19:50.39 | echo083 | DammitJim, yes you can reduce the fat32 partition and leave the remaining space to debian which will create a new partition in the new area |
| 19:50.58 | DammitJim | echo083, but do I have to create it manually? |
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| 19:51.09 | DammitJim | yeah, that partition is something crazy like 276MB |
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| 19:51.15 | DammitJim | but reducing it might mess up Windows? |
| 19:51.37 | echo083 | DammitJim, you have to reduce the fat32 partition manually if it takes the whole hd the partition will be created automatically during installation |
| 19:51.55 | echo083 | DammitJim, yes if you have never reduce a partition before |
| 19:52.09 | DammitJim | I selected: GUided Partitioning |
| 19:52.11 | echo083 | DammitJim, it's sensitive |
| 19:52.17 | DammitJim | then Guided - use the largest continous free space |
| 19:52.33 | echo083 | DammitJim, how big is the fat32 partition ? |
| 19:53.04 | DammitJim | the fat32 partition that is flagged B and Windows called EFI system partition is 276MB |
| 19:53.20 | echo083 | DammitJim, what's the hd size ? |
| 19:53.38 | echo083 | i don't see how windows can fit in 276MB |
| 19:54.20 | DammitJim | 500G |
| 19:54.29 | DammitJim | echo083, dude, you aren't listening (reading) |
| 19:54.46 | DammitJim | the fat32 partition that Windows created and called EFI System partition is 276MB |
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| 19:54.56 | DammitJim | Windows is in an ntfs partition that is 62GB |
| 19:55.04 | DrOwl | Oh earway, seems i had missed some how and entry for /dev/sdb1 had gone into fstab! |
| 19:55.08 | DammitJim | my question is, do I need to create another efi partition? |
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| 19:55.23 | echo083 | DammitJim, ok ok i was talking with somebody else before so i didn't read you sorry |
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| 19:55.50 | echo083 | DammitJim, ok so you have more than 438GB free for debian |
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| 19:56.10 | echo083 | DammitJim, select the free space during the partitioning and it will be good |
| 19:56.23 | ludwig_ | Hallo! I am having some trouble with booting a standard Debian kernel. Shortly after "Uncompressing kernel", the system reboots and I can not see what is going on. |
| 19:56.36 | ludwig_ | does anyone have a hint about what might be going wrong there? |
| 19:56.42 | wheezydesktop | i know someone who is running jessie on their computer and its *default* greeter is just |
| 19:56.53 | wheezydesktop | awesome |
| 19:57.00 | echo083 | DammitJim, search for "partitioning disk" on youtube you have lot of videos |
| 19:57.27 | echo083 | wheezydesktop, what is this amazing greeter ? |
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| 19:59.09 | DammitJim | echo083, I did that... I selected to use the rest of the available free space |
| 19:59.17 | DammitJim | when when I select finish, it tells me there is no efi partition |
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| 19:59.57 | echo083 | DammitJim, http://superuser.com/questions/520068/efi-partition-vs-boot-partition |
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| 20:01.34 | DammitJim | echo083, I saw that article but that didn't tell me what to do with this stage |
| 20:02.27 | echo083 | DammitJim, wait a second |
| 20:02.27 | wheezydesktop | the default lightdm greeter that comes with wheezy is neither eye pleasing nor easy to navigate/use. Is there anyone here who has made a lightdm config file *for wheezy* with the looks and feautures of the one that comes with jessie? |
| 20:03.06 | acz32 | is it true that kfreebsd is a more secure OS than debian? |
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| 20:04.17 | sine0 | i used to use pico on files |
| 20:04.24 | sine0 | but apt-get doesnt have it |
| 20:04.33 | echo083 | DammitJim, i think i remember windows set a bad type for the efi partition |
| 20:04.52 | jmcnaught | sine0: you might like nano instead, which you probably already have installed. |
| 20:05.22 | sine0 | ok |
| 20:05.47 | wheezydesktop | the wheezy lightdm features a single box for both the username and password. How can i have a box for login and another for password? |
| 20:06.29 | echo083 | DammitJim, seems like you have to create your uefi manually so that it is detected by debian |
| 20:06.41 | echo083 | DammitJim, after creating this partition you install windows |
| 20:06.48 | echo083 | DammitJim, and debian |
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| 20:07.59 | rasc | acz32: that doesn't make much sense, kfreebsd is a component of debian... |
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| 20:10.23 | jmcnaught | sine0: we prefer to keep it in the channel. that way everyone gets to participate, and if I make a mistake it will (hopefully) get corrected :) |
| 20:10.46 | ludwig_ | any hint? |
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| 20:10.59 | acz32 | rasc: ok it's something someone said in another channel |
| 20:11.13 | sine0 | ok so hostnames, they are there to just name computers on a local network so that you can access/address them without knowing the ips |
| 20:11.19 | aramus | Hello again, so I have cloned my harddrive using the DD command and now when i try to boot the original harddrive I get an error ata2: device not ready forcing hard reset |
| 20:11.23 | acz32 | rasc: why would people use kfreebsd over standard debian? |
| 20:11.34 | wheezydesktop | by the way, what is the name of the default lightdm greeter that comes with jessie? |
| 20:11.45 | rasc | acz32: just Freebsd, not kfreebsd |
| 20:11.56 | sine0 | can i just change my hostnames on my computer and be done with it or do i have to change things in my router |
| 20:12.11 | rasc | acz32: or debian with kfreebsd instead of linux? |
| 20:12.12 | acz32 | rasc: what do you mean? |
| 20:12.26 | acz32 | no i meant kfreebsd instead of debian with linux kernel |
| 20:12.41 | DammitJim | thanks echo083 , I'll let you know how it goes |
| 20:12.50 | rasc | acz32: it has some features for firewall that linux doesn't have |
| 20:12.51 | DammitJim | I edited the efi partition that windows created to make it active |
| 20:13.19 | jmcnaught | sine0: https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname check out the instructions here and let us know if you have any trouble. |
| 20:13.20 | echo083 | DammitJim, ok but maybe i'll be away before you finish i advice you to follow a tutorial specific to "uefi dual boot debian installation" |
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| 20:14.19 | wheezydesktop | lightdm-gtk-greeter seems to be the only lightdm greeter that can be found in the repo |
| 20:14.46 | rasc | ,v lightdm |
| 20:14.47 | judd | Package: lightdm on i386 -- wheezy: 1.2.2-4; jessie: 1.10.1-3; sid: 1.10.1-3 |
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| 20:15.24 | rasc | ,checkbackports lightdm |
| 20:15.58 | DammitJim | yeah, all the tutorials are different |
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| 20:16.00 | DammitJim | I don't know who to believe |
| 20:16.55 | mechanicalduck | hi |
| 20:17.02 | jmcnaught | ludwig_: Which release of Debian is it? Have you tried booting into a recovery mode or with a rescue disk, and checking the logs? |
| 20:17.18 | mechanicalduck | So I find the public pgp key for (secure) apt repositories. And then there is often also a keychain file. |
| 20:17.25 | mechanicalduck | What is the purpose of the keychain file? |
| 20:17.52 | mechanicalduck | I usually import the public key file and apt works with that repository. So why do they also place the keychain on that repositories? |
| 20:18.03 | jmcnaught | !enter |
| 20:18.03 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:18.15 | ludwig_ | jmcnaught, I have a Jessie running. Shortly after the "uncompressing Linux" message, the system restarts. No init seems to start. |
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| 20:19.03 | liquidAnger | anyone using i3 ? |
| 20:19.07 | jmcnaught | folks seriously read ^^^^. It's a lot more difficult to follow what you're typing when it's broken up into multiple lines and mixed with other lines. Please finish your thought before you press <enter> |
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| 20:19.10 | rasc | ludwig_: Which release of Debian is it? Have you tried booting into a recovery mode or with a rescue disk, and checking the logs? |
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| 20:19.35 | liquidAnger | | R T F M | |
| 20:19.47 | rasc | dpkg: tell liquidAnger -about ask |
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| 20:21.21 | liquidAnger | ask ? |
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| 20:21.33 | rasc | !ask |
| 20:21.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:21.35 | mechanicalduck | jmcnaught: at least someone read me :D |
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| 20:21.45 | menace | hi, i have with gnupg rebuilding an issue. i wanted to add some stuff for hkp and rebuilt it, but he does not know curl (which has an ifdef-curl-defined?) and in debian/rules i found two rules build-deb and build-deb-curl. now i don't see any hint, that the source is built without libcurl-support, but he doesn't see a certain curl constant which resides in the curl-header. does anyone have any experience with conditional curl-building via debian/rules? |
| 20:21.51 | mechanicalduck | jmcnaught: my keyboard layout got enter and point swapped |
| 20:22.00 | rasc | "Don't ask [...] if anyone uses it" |
| 20:22.56 | wheezydesktop | rasc, i enabled backports ages ago, immediately after installing wheezy but the only lightdm greeter available was and still is lightdm-gtk-greeter |
| 20:23.15 | liquidAnger | i was just curious about your opinion on windows managers etc.. |
| 20:23.17 | liquidAnger | sorry |
| 20:23.19 | ludwig_ | rasc, no logs available, since the system does not get that far. I can boot an old system with a 2.6.26 kernel, but the 3.14-1 either leads into a system reset or into a black screen. |
| 20:23.20 | rasc | wheezydesktop: did you use the -t option to apt-get? |
| 20:24.16 | ludwig_ | rasc, jmcnaught is there a lightweight approach to understand at what stage of the boot process the system resets? |
| 20:24.20 | rasc | ludwig_: did you try a rescue cd? |
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| 20:24.36 | jmcnaught | ludwig_: does the GRUB boot menu give you a "recovery mode" (or something like that) option? |
| 20:24.49 | ludwig_ | rasc, the Debian netintsall image does not start |
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| 20:25.00 | mechanicalduck | Where can I ask about secure apt? |
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| 20:25.10 | rasc | mechanicalduck: here |
| 20:25.16 | nik1 | hi, is there a way to show the list of installed packages in aptitude? (dpkg -L) |
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| 20:25.53 | mechanicalduck | rasc: So why is there a keychain file next to the public key file in most apt repositories (http, browsable)? |
| 20:26.30 | nik1 | ops, meant installed files :) |
| 20:26.39 | jmcnaught | mechanicalduck: there is a #debian-apt channel on irc.oftc.net see also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/ |
| 20:26.44 | mechanicalduck | oh nice |
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| 20:28.19 | rasc | nik1: aptitude search ~i |
| 20:29.00 | rasc | nik1: oh, for the second question, I don't think so, aptitude doesn't know about installed files |
| 20:29.02 | wheezydesktop | rasc, do you mean apt-get -t wheezy-backports install lightdm ?? |
| 20:29.32 | rasc | wheezydesktop: lightdm wasn't backported |
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| 20:29.54 | rasc | ,v lightdm |
| 20:29.56 | judd | Package: lightdm on i386 -- wheezy: 1.2.2-4; jessie: 1.10.1-3; sid: 1.10.1-3 |
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| 20:29.59 | elichai2 | hey |
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| 20:30.08 | elichai2 | how can i install libboost1.53 on Wheezy? |
| 20:30.16 | wheezydesktop | the wheezy lightdm features a single box for both the username and password. How can i have a box for login and another for password? |
| 20:30.18 | rasc | how do I ask judd to check backports again? |
| 20:30.29 | ludwig_ | jmcnaught, I tried the GRUB rescue entries: no change. |
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| 20:31.17 | jmcnaught | rasc: it's checkbackport, but sometimes it takes several minutes for a response. All of judd's commands are listed here: http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ |
| 20:31.49 | elichai2 | anyone? |
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| 20:32.14 | Brigo | ,v libboost-iostreams1.49.0 |
| 20:32.35 | elichai2 | Brigo: but i need something newer |
| 20:32.50 | jhutchins | elichai2: Why? |
| 20:32.52 | jmcnaught | ludwig_: you'll probably need to boot from a live disk. You might also consider asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, maybe someone else is having the same problem. |
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| 20:33.34 | ludwig_ | jmcnaught, is there actually a difference between a live disk and a netinstall image with rescue mode? |
| 20:33.37 | elichai2 | jhutchins: i'm compiling a program that demends it |
| 20:33.39 | oskude | whats up with debian bug search? https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ seems to hang forever after submit and http://bugs-search.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi gives error 500 after submit :( |
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| 20:33.50 | elichai2 | you know wheezy is getting really really old.... |
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| 20:34.07 | elichai2 | it's not support QT5 either... (which a lot of programs needs it) |
| 20:34.08 | bhag | I have compiled a kernel from a different source but this kernel is hanging . http://pastebin.com/H0kLpLM6 |
| 20:34.24 | wheezydesktop | anyone? |
| 20:34.30 | bhag | I have compiled a kernel from a debian source for cubieboard , but this kernel is hanging . http://pastebin.com/H0kLpLM6 . Can anyone help me out |
| 20:34.31 | rasc | elichai2: do you need that exact version or that one or newer? |
| 20:34.53 | rasc | wheezydesktop: I'm asking the bot if this is possible, but no response yet |
| 20:34.55 | jmcnaught | ludwig_: oh you tried with a netinst disk eh? what happened then, did you get an error message? |
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| 20:35.22 | rasc | bhag: are you using debian in the cupiebord? |
| 20:35.28 | bhag | yes |
| 20:35.29 | jhutchins | bhag: Does the debian kernel hang? |
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| 20:35.38 | elichai2 | rasc: above 5.* |
| 20:36.09 | rasc | elichai2: look if one of these suits you: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libboost1&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
| 20:36.13 | bhag | jhutchins: logs http://pastebin.com/H0kLpLM6 |
| 20:36.31 | ludwig_ | jmcnaught, I get the install menu, but I do not get into the Rescue menu |
| 20:36.35 | jhutchins | bhag: Does the debian kernel hang? |
| 20:36.49 | Brigo | elichai2, did you know wheezy backports? |
| 20:36.51 | bhag | yes |
| 20:36.53 | elichai2 | yep |
| 20:36.58 | elichai2 | i'm using it... |
| 20:37.14 | jhutchins | bhag: What did you compile on? |
| 20:37.41 | Brigo | elichai2, ok, so your best way is to "simple sid backpor" |
| 20:37.48 | elichai2 | rasc: as i said the newest version Wheezy support is 1.49 |
| 20:37.50 | Brigo | !tell elichai2 about ssb |
| 20:38.02 | elichai2 | Brigo: i think i'll compile the whole libboost... |
| 20:38.18 | bhag | jhutchins: source --> linux-source-3.13.0 |
| 20:38.34 | jmcnaught | ludwig_: did you select rescue at the boot menu for the netinst disk? If you switch to tty4 are there any relevant errors? |
| 20:38.54 | Brigo | elichai2, you can do what you want, of course, i only tell you the easy way :) |
| 20:39.01 | judd | Package: libboost-iostreams1.49.0 on i386 -- wheezy: 1.49.0-3.2; sid: 1.49.0-4+b4 |
| 20:39.24 | rasc | elichai2: yes, you do have to do it, but do as the bot msg you |
| 20:39.39 | rasc | "Backporting package lightdm in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy, virtual." |
| 20:39.41 | bhag | jhutchins: i have used make -j4 ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- LOADADDR=0x40008000 uImage dtbs |
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| 20:39.59 | rasc | dpkg: tell wheezydesktop -about ssb |
| 20:40.27 | elichai2 | it told me nothing :\ |
| 20:40.32 | elichai2 | ohh lol, wait |
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| 20:40.43 | jhutchins | bhag: I don't seem to be making my questions clear to you. I would suggest that cupieboard support could tell you what requirements it has for compiling the kernel. |
| 20:40.51 | rasc | dpkg: tell elichai2 -about ssb |
| 20:41.00 | wheezydesktop | i found this: http://www.maketecheasier.com/customize-lightdm-themes but I use LXDE, so how can i achieve what i described in the article if i use LXDE? |
| 20:41.00 | jhutchins | !arm |
| 20:41.00 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:41.03 | elichai2 | got it twice, thanks :) |
| 20:41.14 | elichai2 | (wow, it can be used as a spam bot ;) ) |
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| 20:41.34 | ludwig_ | jmcnaught, I select "Rescue mode", get a black screen and nothing more. |
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| 20:41.46 | bhag | jhutchins: i have got the correct requirements. I was able to boot kernel with same .config |
| 20:42.11 | elichai2 | Brigo: wait, you saying to add deb-src, and what it will help me?! |
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| 20:42.18 | elichai2 | it will just download the source for me! |
| 20:42.19 | bhag | jhutchins: *different kernel source i was able to boot |
| 20:42.28 | elichai2 | and i'll still need to compile it! |
| 20:42.43 | rasc | elichai2: add deb-src, and all of the other commands will compile boost in your system |
| 20:42.44 | jmcnaught | ludwig_: at that point i would attempt using a different live disk, or like I said possibly #debian-next on irc.oftc.net where someone might have already dealt with this issue and knows what to do. |
| 20:43.11 | rasc | elichai2: yes, that's what we told you |
| 20:43.32 | Brigo | elichai2, read all the message :) |
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| 20:43.42 | jhutchins | bhag: So you'll need to research changes between the two sources. |
| 20:43.42 | elichai2 | rasc: i didn't get that... what is the diffrence between this and just downloading the tar.gz and compiling it? |
| 20:43.53 | wheezydesktop | rasc, i do not want to install any package that it is not readily available, that is packages that i have to build from source |
| 20:43.58 | elichai2 | Brigo: (dpkg write messy...) |
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| 20:44.11 | elichai2 | !tell dpkg "He is a jerk" |
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| 20:44.17 | rasc | elichai2: this will make a .deb package which will be version controled and you will be able to uninstall later |
| 20:44.21 | wheezydesktop | rasc, all i want to do for the time being is this... |
| 20:44.31 | wheezydesktop | the wheezy lightdm features a single box for both the username and password. How can i have a box for login and another for password? |
| 20:44.50 | jhutchins | bhag: I'd try some of the resources from dpkg above, this really isn't a question about debian. |
| 20:44.55 | ludwig_ | jmcnaught, OK, thank you! |
| 20:44.57 | rasc | wheezydesktop: the only way we know off is to backport it from jessie |
| 20:45.19 | mechanicalduck | So why is there a keychain file next to the public key file in most apt repositories (http, browsable)? |
| 20:45.19 | Brigo | elichai2, do not blame poor bot! :D |
| 20:45.31 | elichai2 | lets me get it straight: 1) add 'sid' deb-src. 2) update&all-the-shit. 3) aptitude install source *package*. 4)? |
| 20:45.45 | Brigo | elichai2, no |
| 20:45.45 | bhag | jhutchins: ok , will contact cubieboard irc channel |
| 20:45.49 | elichai2 | ? |
| 20:45.53 | jmcnaught | wheezydesktop: You could also try a different display manager perhaps. Personally I wouldn't bother backporting something to change how the DM's greeted looked. |
| 20:46.07 | Brigo | 3 install build-essecial (the tools for compiling) |
| 20:46.21 | elichai2 | (already installed lol) |
| 20:46.35 | elichai2 | (how else would i install it?!) |
| 20:46.41 | Brigo | 4) aptitude build-dep packagename; <-- compiles dependeinces |
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| 20:47.01 | Brigo | 5) aptitude -b packagename <- build the package |
| 20:47.03 | wheezydesktop | rasc, that building from source business is neither desktop newbie friendly nor stability friendly |
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| 20:47.18 | Brigo | 6) install the generated debs with dpkg -i |
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| 20:47.34 | elichai2 | but what if aptitude thinks, it's need to upgrade a lot of packages as 'dependencies'? |
| 20:48.07 | elichai2 | i mean, i tried adding sid deb repo and installing QT5 and it wanted to upgrade&install more than 150 packages! |
| 20:48.19 | Brigo | elichai2, you have a problem, but it should try to compile again wheezy libraries. |
| 20:48.23 | elichai2 | so i decided to install it from their site |
| 20:48.32 | jmcnaught | elichai2: adding sid repo to wheezy is a bad idea |
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| 20:48.42 | elichai2 | jmcnaught: it was under control |
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| 20:48.51 | elichai2 | i removed it as soon as i finished... |
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| 20:49.08 | Brigo | elichai2, it is not the same, with ssb you are compiling again wheezy librarias as far as you can. |
| 20:49.32 | wheezydesktop | i found this: http://www.maketecheasier.com/customize-lightdm-themes but I use LXDE, there must be a way to achieve what is described in the article if i use wheezy and LXDE |
| 20:49.33 | rasc | wheezydesktop: what do you sugest? |
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| 20:49.48 | Brigo | s/again/against |
| 20:49.59 | elichai2 | Brigo: ok, i will try that next time :) |
| 20:50.10 | jmcnaught | elichai2: still not recommended. See the part about FrankenDebian here: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian or this section of the Debian Reference: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_precautions |
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| 20:50.47 | wheezydesktop | rasc, there must be a simple and desktop newbie friendly way to achive what i want to achieve? |
| 20:50.59 | Brigo | elichai2, and moreover first you can test if you can sucessful backpor it asking judd bot. |
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| 20:51.40 | rasc | wheezydesktop: well, we don't know everything... we had a sugestion, but you don't like it. You can try other support forums |
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| 20:52.12 | Brigo | ,checkbackport libqt5core5a |
| 20:52.14 | elichai2 | Brigo: how? |
| 20:52.22 | judd | Backporting package libqt5core5a in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libharfbuzz-dev, libxcb-sync-dev, libxcb-xkb-dev, libxkbcommon-dev, libxkbcommon-x11-dev. |
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| 20:52.36 | elichai2 | and it won't take forever compiling all the dependecies? |
| 20:52.37 | Brigo | -> /msg judd checkbackport <packagename> |
| 20:52.44 | rasc | jmcnaught: if he is adding the source repo for backporting, do you think that is a bad idea? |
| 20:52.44 | wheezydesktop | rasc, it is not a mere question of liking things. The fact is that building from source business is neither desktop newbie friendly nor stability friendly |
| 20:52.49 | jmcnaught | wheezydesktop: If it's really that important to you, you could try a different display manager. How much time do you spend looking at the greeter anyways? |
| 20:52.55 | elichai2 | yeah i just saw it :) |
| 20:53.05 | jmcnaught | rasc: deb-src is fine.. it's the binaries you don't want to mix |
| 20:53.15 | Brigo | judd, for example you can backport qt5 just now |
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| 20:54.24 | rasc | wheezydesktop: that's how it works in linux and unix, especially in free software, we are saing to two people right now to do it... |
| 20:54.28 | wheezydesktop | jmcnaught, it is not just the looking at but the way it is set up and ease of use. The default login screen on *jessie* is the way things it should be done |
| 20:54.55 | rasc | wheezydesktop: we told you how to use that one, you say you are too lazy to try! |
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| 20:56.38 | wheezydesktop | rasc, i heard a while ago a guy saying that people should use vi to create webapages instead of graphical html editors. |
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| 20:57.21 | wheezydesktop | rasc, that guy said that people who don't use vi to create web pages are just lazy! |
| 20:59.14 | format_c | wheezydesktop, true |
| 20:59.22 | rasc | wheezydesktop: just use what you got and stop whining, end users just use what is given to them. |
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| 21:00.19 | sheap | so.. halp? http://askubuntu.com/questions/501678/tasksel-error-in-14-04-preseed |
| 21:00.54 | wheezydesktop | rasc, just use what you got is not the way things should be done. I remember a guy saying: use what you got (windows) and stop whinning |
| 21:00.56 | rasc | dpkg: tell sheap -about ubuntu |
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| 21:01.24 | sheap | rasc: I'm fully away of ubuntu's existance, but preseed applies to both. |
| 21:01.33 | rasc | wheezydesktop: we are trying to tell you a way to change, but you don't want it, so, how to go forward? |
| 21:01.46 | rasc | !derivatives |
| 21:01.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, derivatives is <Knoppix>, <Ubuntu>, <Libranet>, <Corel>/<Xandros>, <Stormix>, <Progeny>, <Linspire>, <DamnSmallLinux>, <Kurumin>, <Agnula>, <Xebian> and many others, or see http://mako.cc/talks/20050418-customizing_debian/customizing_debian_slides/img1.html, or ask me about <dfd>, <cdd> |
| 21:02.51 | jmcnaught | sheap: Ubuntu isn't supported here at all. You need to ask in #ubuntu |
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| 21:04.05 | jhutchins | sheap: People get touchy about ubuntu, their users have wasted a lot of time here. |
| 21:04.25 | jhutchins | sheap: Are you installing Debian or Ubuntu? |
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| 21:09.45 | jmcnaught | wheezydesktop: https://wiki.debian.org/DisplayManager has a list of other display managers you might try in Wheezy. The versions of software available in a Debian Stable release generally don't change. Sometimes newer packages are available from the backports repo. There are tools available in Debian for people that want to backport stuff themselves. My advice is try another Display Manager and see if that meets your needs. At least you have somet |
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| 21:11.51 | sheap | jhutchins: ubuntu but the error is relevant to debian as well |
| 21:13.55 | jmcnaught | !based on debian |
| 21:13.56 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 21:14.11 | wheezydesktop | jmcnaught, ok thanks |
| 21:14.45 | jelly-home | sheap, short story is: if you want help here, reproduce it on actual debian |
| 21:15.01 | sheap | even if it's the debian installer and it says to ask "debian-boot" for help? |
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| 21:15.24 | jelly-home | sheap: Yes. Anything else can be attributed to something specific to the derivative. |
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| 21:16.59 | pipegeek | does dhclient renew its leases if it receives SIGHUP? |
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| 21:18.03 | jelly-home | sheap: if you're able to reproduce it with debian 7 d-i, or eg. that latest debian-installer for jessie (alpha 1), then you have confirmation it's an upstream (upstream for d-i = debian) issue, and you can ask in |
| 21:18.06 | jelly-home | !debian-boot |
| 21:18.17 | jelly-home | *c\ough* |
| 21:18.33 | jelly-home | !d-i |
| 21:18.34 | dpkg | Debian 7 "Wheezy" is now the "stable" Debian release (May 04, 2013). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
| 21:18.35 | pipegeek | also, is sending SIGHUP necessary to make it reread its config file, or will it reread it the next time it renews its lease |
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| 21:19.33 | jelly-home | sheap: note that #debian-boot is not on this irc network but a different one, irc.oftc.net (same as irc.debian.org) |
| 21:19.43 | sheap | yea |
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| 21:25.39 | Brigo | MO_Handes, almost |
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| 21:26.12 | Brigo | MO_Handes, you can find sometimes a temporary lack of sync |
| 21:26.15 | ludwig_ | jmcnaught, after long try+error with different kernel parameters, I now get some steps further! Kernel parameter "libata.noacpi" will start the kernel and lead to a rescue shell (rootfs not found) |
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| 21:36.44 | sine0 | is it hard to set a static ip |
| 21:36.59 | Brigo | sine0, no, it is not. |
| 21:37.17 | sine0 | what file do i edit. im a bit rusty with unix |
| 21:37.34 | Brigo | sine0, /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 21:37.44 | Brigo | i will paste a example for you: |
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| 21:38.49 | sine0 | auto eth0 |
| 21:38.50 | sine0 | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 21:38.59 | Brigo | sine0, http://paste.debian.net/111319/ |
| 21:39.01 | sine0 | do i change dhcp to static and put the requred |
| 21:39.02 | sine0 | ok |
| 21:39.14 | Brigo | sine0, yes, perfect |
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| 21:40.16 | Brigo | sine0, then you can up the connection with ifup wlan1 and down it with ifdown wlan1 |
| 21:40.28 | jmcnaught | sine0: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration has more information too, also "man interfaces" |
| 21:40.48 | jhutchins | There is an example interfaces in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz - handy if you're off line because you didn't get it right. |
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| 21:43.47 | sine0 | thast great thanks. i dont want it dhcp ing me a different local if im away from home and trying to ssh it. port forward will be wrong |
| 21:44.10 | sine0 | Brigo: up down what ? |
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| 21:44.25 | Brigo | sine0, the connection |
| 21:44.45 | sine0 | you mean restart the internets |
| 21:44.50 | sine0 | rather than reboot |
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| 21:45.24 | jhutchins | sine0: Most dhcp servers can also lock the IP to a MAC address so the address doesn't change. In a home network it's unlikely to change anyway, because it saves the lease info. |
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| 21:45.58 | jhutchins | sine0: Some ISPs force the IP to change periodically, mostly to discourage users from running servers. |
| 21:46.00 | sine0 | nice info |
| 21:46.08 | sine0 | i have a static ip |
| 21:46.16 | sine0 | local |
| 21:46.20 | sine0 | few computers this side |
| 21:46.39 | jhutchins | sine0: If you have a problem with that there are several services like noip and dyndns that run a client that updates the DNS quickly if your IP changes. |
| 21:46.45 | sine0 | im running raspberrypi and want to play "computers" |
| 21:46.58 | sine0 | yea, like i said. i got static |
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| 21:51.19 | sine0 | whats this up down thing that you were on about |
| 21:51.24 | sine0 | Brigo: |
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| 21:52.43 | Brigo | sine0, ones you have configured the interface in /etc/network/interfaces you will want to enable it. You can do it with ifup <interface> |
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| 21:54.10 | sine0 | i rebooted and think that did it |
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| 21:54.19 | sine0 | but i know now for future i dont have to :D |
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| 21:56.13 | kelsoo | I was after reading your comment about the Chinese guy in the forum. I was thinking we "regulars" should perhaps check in the forum more often. I'll try and do that |
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| 22:06.05 | sine0 | haha |
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| 22:06.32 | sine0 | brigo i did an ifdown and wondered why i couldnt connect any more |
| 22:06.58 | Brigo | sine0, ifup <interface> |
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| 22:07.30 | jimmyv | does anyone know how to upgrade an image created with debootstrap? |
| 22:07.31 | sine0 | not when im disconnected from ssh i cant :/ |
| 22:07.46 | sine0 | ive rebooted the server but its not reachable via ssh |
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| 22:09.23 | sine0 | time to plug in the hdmi |
| 22:09.25 | Brigo | sine0, the reboot should get up the connection. |
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| 22:09.36 | sine0 | something borked |
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| 22:10.20 | Brigo | sine0, did you add a line like: auto eth0 ? |
| 22:10.54 | sine0 | no. but i have been rebooting it all day and its been fine |
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| 22:11.53 | Brigo | weird |
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| 22:18.12 | sine0 | only one thing left to do! format the sdcard! |
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| 22:22.12 | jmcnaught | sine0: It's probably also worth your while to read the NetworkConfiguration page on the wiki, and/or the chapter on Network setup in the Debian Reference: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html |
| 22:23.17 | viccuad | tickles dpkg |
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| 22:24.42 | sine0 | thanks! |
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| 22:27.55 | jaggz- | how do I debug my ns (pdns)? It's worked for years, but it's behaving strange with one hostname. On the server I can successfully use host, dig, and nslookup to look up the IP. I'm running pdns and pdns-recursor, with the recursor restricted to allow only our own IPs to do lookups. |
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| 22:28.38 | jaggz- | Remote computers are failing to look up the host, with nslookup saying: ** server can't find cdn3.volusion.com: NXDOMAIN" |
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| 22:29.17 | jaggz- | dig shows: cdn3.volusion.com. 900 IN CNAME ssl.volusion.com.edgekey.net. |
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| 22:29.45 | sine0 | i have found the culprit |
| 22:31.05 | jaggz- | and another dig run is required to look that CNAME up, which returns two records, another CNAME, and the A record for that cname: ssl.volusion.com.edgekey.net. 21600 IN CNAME e8414.g.akamaiedge.net. |
| 22:31.05 | jaggz- | e8414.g.akamaiedge.net. 20 IN A 23.203.235.223 |
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| 22:31.49 | sine0 | Brigo: jmcnaught: http://bal.ms/noob.jpg |
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| 22:33.45 | jelly-home | sine1: hah |
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| 22:34.20 | sine0 | :D |
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| 22:34.33 | Brigo | i can see the problem |
| 22:34.40 | sine0 | ahhaha |
| 22:34.43 | jelly-home | the default gateway line is consistent with that .1. |
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| 22:35.08 | sine0 | yes im a noob. i did it right first time but didnt sudo so had to do it again and i typed real fast |
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| 22:35.24 | Quantum` | Is Debian still going to systemd? |
| 22:35.44 | Quantum` | ... if so, when? |
| 22:36.17 | jelly-home | Quantum`: the default init? probably the next release, jessie |
| 22:36.33 | Cpuroast | Debian 8 |
| 22:36.39 | sine0 | cant i just hex edit the partition byte |
| 22:36.54 | sine0 | like the good old JNE 74 75 |
| 22:36.56 | Quantum` | I'm on jessie now, and I have to set it up myself. |
| 22:37.02 | Cpuroast | Quantum`: yes |
| 22:37.07 | Cpuroast | it's not default yet |
| 22:37.14 | Cpuroast | it's pretty simple tho |
| 22:37.30 | Cpuroast | apt-get install systemd |
| 22:37.34 | jelly-home | Quantum`: you want the #debian-next channel on irc.debian.org, then |
| 22:37.34 | Cpuroast | done |
| 22:37.35 | Quantum` | Ya, but when will it be default? |
| 22:37.41 | jelly-home | !wir |
| 22:37.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 22:37.57 | Cpuroast | Quantum`: freeze is in november |
| 22:38.01 | Cpuroast | so before that |
| 22:38.15 | Quantum` | K, thx |
| 22:38.45 | jelly-home | technically, that's a version freeze not a feature freeze... so it might even be later than that |
| 22:38.55 | Cpuroast | ah ok |
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| 22:39.27 | jelly-home | but that's as good a guess as any |
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| 22:53.15 | wsl38 | what do you guys think of using an internet-facing ssh server as an alternative to dropbox |
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| 22:56.10 | ectospasm | wsl38: scp/sftp ftw! |
| 22:56.15 | nkuttler | wsl38: i don't see how ssh could replace dropbox.. |
| 22:56.18 | ectospasm | Problem is, it may not scale well. |
| 22:56.47 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: it probably would with sshfs and some trickery |
| 22:57.10 | ectospasm | ...but sharing said files with others may prove problematic. |
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| 22:57.17 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: can i send share links to people, or give them access to entire directories? and use a client on my phone? |
| 22:57.26 | Shadow_7 | and ofc you have to trust your gear not to catch fire and your electric to not be down for days at a time. |
| 22:57.39 | wsl38 | nkuttler: why not? one user account shared by several people, adding files to the server |
| 22:57.54 | ectospasm | wsl38: wat, no file locking? |
| 22:57.56 | nkuttler | wsl38: ah, if you rephrase it like that, you're getting closer |
| 22:58.29 | nkuttler | wsl38: that's just simple file sharing though, nothing like dropbox, but whatever works for you |
| 22:59.06 | wsl38 | everyone would log in as communalusername@IPAddress and be able to add/remove files |
| 22:59.13 | nkuttler | wsl38: which problem are you trying to solve anyway? |
| 22:59.36 | Shadow_7 | if perms were only to add files it wouldn't be an issue. to a point anyway |
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| 22:59.50 | wsl38 | nkuttler: no problem really. but that way it's not on the 'cloud' in case someone hacks dropbox and steals their passwords or something |
| 23:00.09 | nullvibe | wsl38: encfs your "cloud" storage |
| 23:00.12 | nkuttler | wsl38: yeah, now only you can steal them ;) |
| 23:00.32 | wsl38 | :P |
| 23:00.35 | nullvibe | even fusecompresses his before passing it to encfs |
| 23:01.16 | wsl38 | nullvibe: you mean encrypt the disk the files are stored on? |
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| 23:02.12 | nullvibe | not the disk, the directory. basically, you tell encfs to store its files in your dropbox directory, then you use encfs' own mount point to write files to and you get transparent encryption |
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| 23:03.03 | nullvibe | only caveat is that file/dir ownership and permissions show through, but both the names and the contents of the entries are encrypted before going to dropbox or where ever |
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| 23:03.23 | nullvibe | this is basically what the boxcryptor app for android does as well, I think |
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| 23:04.22 | nullvibe | wsl38: http://www.howtogeek.com/121737/how-to-encrypt-cloud-storage-on-linux-and-windows-with-encfs/ |
| 23:06.03 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: with more work, sure... but it really depends on what part of dropbox you're actually using |
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| 23:09.31 | wsl38 | nullvibe: thanks for the link |
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| 23:17.13 | kruug | ok, so I'm trying to compile a cryptowallet from source for Windows using Debian. Can anyone assist? |
| 23:17.54 | kruug | I tried looking it up, but everything came back using MinGW using a specific *.c file, but I don't have a single *.c file since it's the entire source project. |
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| 23:30.32 | TyrfingMjolnir | dondelelcaro: considered bittorent sync? |
| 23:30.42 | dondelelcaro | TyrfingMjolnir: ? |
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| 23:46.56 | wsl38 | this may be off-topic but how do i create an alias that has a variable part in it. like alias move='cp filename ~/destination' but filename is going to change every time depending on the file |
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| 23:56.34 | elichai2 | jmcnaught: here? |
| 23:56.49 | Frogging101_ | Did wheezy install as ext3 by default or ext4? |
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| 23:58.38 | jordanm | Frogging101_: ext4 |
| 23:59.16 | Frogging101_ | thanks |
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