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| 00:06.00 | Mountain_r | Hi Guys I am trying to umpgrade my wheezy but i get this message in the terminal: http://paste.debian.net/111540/ Could someone tell me what that means? I am a newbie thanks |
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| 00:07.06 | themill | Mountain_r: if you've never heard of NTLM authentication (it's not exactly common), just ignore that warning. Press q to continue. |
| 00:07.29 | Mountain_r | ok thanks |
| 00:07.59 | paulo_ | themill: ok. so I have 3.13.0-24-generic. how do I download the -dbg? |
| 00:08.05 | snadge | is there a security research / password hashing related channel ? |
| 00:08.50 | themill | paulo_: that doesn't sound like a debian kernel |
| 00:09.09 | snadge | im looking to reverse an md5crypt hash.. and john the ripper is giving me approx 100 K passwords/sec... and oclhashcat gives me about 1.7M passwords/sec.. but my gpu shuts down and overheats after about 5 minutes |
| 00:09.14 | paulo_ | I'm confused. doesnt ubuntu use debian? |
| 00:09.27 | themill | paulo_: you want #ubuntu |
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| 00:10.03 | snadge | anyway.. i've done some quick googling.. and i thought there were online businesses that would take your money and run a hash on a gpu cluster or whatever |
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| 00:15.13 | uforek | snadge, indeed |
| 00:15.45 | uforek | snadge, can also lease an amazon server to do the same thing at a much inexpensive cost. |
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| 00:16.33 | Mountain_r | when I try to update I always get this error for the publik key http://paste.debian.net/111542/ how to insert it? |
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| 00:18.06 | Brigo | Mountain_r, you have to download the key from their web. I guess the web should explain it. |
| 00:18.22 | snadge | yeah but .. amazon cluster is more effort.. i'd be happy to pay a percentage on top of the cost, for the convenience of just being able to paste a hash.. and wait for a result |
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| 00:19.23 | Mountain_r | Brigo, ok now that program, Iceweasel, has been updated 2 or more times, do I need to insert the public key of the last version or it is always the same? |
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| 00:19.51 | Brigo | Mountain_r, the public key is related to the repo not the packages |
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| 00:20.34 | Brigo | so if you add their key you will trust all their packages. |
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| 00:20.54 | Mountain_r | Brigo, ok thanks |
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| 00:21.40 | Brigo | Mountain_r, np :) |
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| 00:24.22 | uforek | snadge, you're trying to crack an md5 hash? |
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| 00:24.58 | uforek | snadge, salted? |
| 00:25.32 | PatoFeo | Hi all. |
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| 00:28.12 | PatoFeo | what Window manager we recommend for laptop thinkpad l420 ? |
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| 00:29.48 | Brigo | PatoFeo, what hardware does it have? |
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| 00:32.48 | snadge | uforek, i dont actually know if its salted.. only that its md5crypt and starts with $1$ .. |
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| 00:33.05 | snadge | i do know that its from a vyatta router config.. the encrypted-password hash |
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| 00:38.01 | uforek | if its not salted, you can check out https://crackstation.net/, if its salted, that'll require the parallel computing env. |
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| 00:39.45 | uforek | snadge, |
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| 00:41.54 | shay_shay | not a snowballs change in hell yo get that fglrx-legacy driver working :/ |
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| 00:45.39 | Mountain_r | I have installed the mozilla keyring with Synaptic. Do I need to check the key installing the debian-keyring also?? |
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| 00:48.12 | abrotman | check the key? |
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| 00:49.58 | Mountain_r | yes I have installed the keyring from mozilla because of an error that i see always when i digit: apt-get update and it as about a missing signature |
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| 00:50.10 | SrvK | I'm having trouble installing aircrack-ng on wheezy |
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| 00:52.52 | uforek | shay_shay, jessie/sid? |
| 00:53.28 | uforek | SrvK, download the .deb and do dpkg -i *.deb |
| 00:53.42 | ScottSteiner- | I have an Olympus VG-120 digital camera. How can I get the pictures off the camera? Thanks |
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| 00:54.23 | uforek | ScottSteiner-, one instruction at a time. |
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| 00:54.39 | shay_shay | uforek: i am updating to jessie right now to see |
| 00:55.03 | uforek | shay_shay, i'm in wheezy running fglrx-driver; you need a "legacy" version of it? |
| 00:55.21 | shay_shay | yes for radeon 2600 |
| 00:55.23 | ScottSteiner- | uforek: what? |
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| 00:55.53 | uforek | shay_shay, ahh... whats the problem exactly with your current attempts? |
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| 00:57.54 | shay_shay | black screen with blinking cursor, i can change tty... i used sudo amdconfig --initial to make a xorg.conf |
| 00:59.03 | uforek | shay_shay, so the installation went off without a hitch, but the configuration is where you're stuck now? |
| 00:59.17 | shay_shay | i almost have a hunch by reading the log that my card is dual head and its sending video to the wrong output, but all my attempts to change that have been fail |
| 00:59.31 | shay_shay | yeah |
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| 00:59.53 | uforek | shay_shay, had a similar issue with my sound card, kept outputting to hdmi. |
| 01:00.34 | uforek | the alsa mixer in wheezy is hideous and limited -- fixed by pulseaudio. |
| 01:01.11 | uforek | shay_shay, pastebin the log? |
| 01:01.26 | shay_shay | ok as soon as i can boot |
| 01:01.35 | uforek | shay_shay, kk |
| 01:01.53 | shay_shay | or can i curl it to pastebi |
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| 01:06.22 | SrvK | uforek: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of aircrack-ng: |
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| 01:06.23 | SrvK | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:07.56 | SorenV | sendmail or postfix for cron job reports? |
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| 01:11.37 | nezZario | what's the metapkg for gnome classic and all? |
| 01:12.01 | nezZario | I did a bare install of debian. I'm using this PC as a desktop only temporarily and then it'll go back to being just a headless machine, ... |
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| 01:12.53 | shay_shay | gnome classic e.g. mate? mate-desktop-environment-extras |
| 01:13.17 | nezZario | Kind of curious if anyone has any tips on setting up x11/gnome .. and not having crap start on boot, network-manager, all that mess. I had ubuntu previously for this purpose and it was a PITA to get gdm to not start on boot, simple stuff like that, network manager blew my mind, etc |
| 01:13.48 | nezZario | I use debian exclusively for dozens of servers but honestly never used linux as a workstation, much |
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| 01:14.52 | shay_shay | if you dont install the desktop task then you wont have network manager. gdm can be disabled in sysvinit and youll want to write a xinitrc file |
| 01:15.49 | shay_shay | might just be easier to switch to graphical runlevel when you want x and then multiuser when you dont |
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| 01:16.05 | nezZario | oooh |
| 01:16.16 | nezZario | That would be fine |
| 01:17.22 | nezZario | I mean, I need the audio manager, stuff like that. I just want to use it to watch some movies, now until Monday, then it can go back to being a headless dev box (my local shell, pretty much) |
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| 01:18.29 | nezZario | Who knows, maybe i'll stick with it. Previously it was a tiny little box and ubuntu, which ubuntu seemed it really had it out for me..this is slightly beefier, it might be more usable |
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| 01:19.13 | nezZario | oh, I didn't know about MATE... |
| 01:19.30 | uforek | SrvK, find the proper version of aircrack-ng for your distro/version |
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| 01:19.42 | shay_shay | yeah the current version is in wheezy-backports.. its nice |
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| 01:20.01 | xup | is mount.cifs provided by cifs module? |
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| 01:20.13 | shay_shay | if you need a DM just get lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter |
| 01:20.30 | cusco | lxde |
| 01:20.33 | cusco | here |
| 01:20.40 | cusco | !start a dm war |
| 01:20.40 | dpkg | wdm is just shit! |
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| 01:20.57 | nezZario | im pretty partial to gnome |
| 01:21.06 | cusco | was too |
| 01:21.12 | cusco | my laptop can't keep up |
| 01:21.12 | cusco | :( |
| 01:21.16 | nezZario | Whats the specs? |
| 01:21.25 | cusco | was fine on gnome 2 |
| 01:21.25 | cusco | err, can't remmeber |
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| 01:21.26 | socomm | Cinnamon is the only way to go. |
| 01:21.28 | nezZario | nononononono fuckoff with that gnome 3 |
| 01:21.29 | cusco | intel i915 |
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| 01:21.37 | nezZario | i'm sorry, language |
| 01:22.05 | nezZario | I don't know, I'm sure it's great, but the debian live CD comes with some newer version of gnome and I was completely lost, though |
| 01:22.31 | xup | anyone? |
| 01:22.37 | shay_shay | well MATE is the current old gnome |
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| 01:23.10 | shay_shay | the new old gnome :) |
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| 01:23.35 | nezZario | it's in wheezy-backports ? |
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| 01:24.48 | shay_shay | yup |
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| 01:26.02 | shay_shay | in your sources.list copy one of your deb lines and make an additional one with -backports appended to it |
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| 01:29.10 | nezZario | i mean seriously, just for fun i looked at gnome-core |
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| 01:29.21 | nezZario | apache2.2-bin... ? why would you need apache binaries |
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| 01:30.36 | daemonkeeper | because gnome-user-share |
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| 01:33.56 | shay_shay | nezZario: sec |
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| 01:34.19 | shay_shay | https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6gkqQRx3edyMUI0TE9tREpnMEk/edit?usp=docslist_api |
| 01:34.37 | shay_shay | fresh install of MATE with no bloat |
| 01:35.29 | shay_shay | thats just a minimal install + mate-desktop-environment-extras lightdm lightdm-gtk-greeter |
| 01:35.55 | shay_shay | and midori as a lightweight browser |
| 01:36.19 | shay_shay | oh thats chronium |
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| 01:39.41 | donofrio | How do I get invite to join debian-next? |
| 01:39.48 | abrotman | donofrio: irc.oftc.net |
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| 01:40.44 | shay_shay | uforek http://sprunge.us/gYXb |
| 01:41.06 | shay_shay | curl ftw |
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| 02:23.23 | donofrio | anyone know what I have to do if X loads up and mouse cursor but no login or anything else? |
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| 02:28.43 | abrotman | donofrio: install a DM and WM |
| 02:28.58 | donofrio | it's got one...gdm3 w/xfce |
| 02:29.12 | abrotman | what's in /etc/X11/default-display-manager? |
| 02:29.15 | abrotman | how did you start X? |
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| 02:29.41 | donofrio | its a fresh install of jessie on mac mini ppc, also happens on fresh wheezy installs that are dist-upgraded to jessie.... |
| 02:30.05 | abrotman | is pretty sure his mac mini ppc doesn't have working X at all ... |
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| 02:32.10 | donofrio | System: Host: debian Kernel: 3.14-1-powerpc ppc (32 bit gcc: 4.8.3) Console: tty 0 |
| 02:32.10 | donofrio | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.10 | donofrio | Machine: No /sys/class/dmi machine data: try newer kernel, or install dmidecode |
| 02:32.10 | donofrio | CPU: Single core 7447A altivec supported (-UP-) cache: N/A flags: (-) bmips: 83 clocked at 1249 MHz |
| 02:32.10 | donofrio | Graphics: Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RV280 [Radeon 9200] bus-ID: 00:10.0 |
| 02:32.10 | donofrio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:32.48 | donofrio | my bad folks |
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| 02:33.08 | donofrio | http://paste.debian.net/111550/ |
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| 02:33.39 | donofrio | it works great in wheezy but pianobar doesn't work )-: |
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| 02:35.37 | donofrio | even now X is up just no login box or xfce desktop yet? |
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| 02:36.59 | donofrio | what commands can I run to show you folks its working just not loading everything yet? |
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| 02:41.44 | donofrio | here is the message file http://paste.debian.net/111551/ |
| 02:42.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell donofrio about ppc |
| 02:42.09 | donofrio | it states issue with Jul 24 14:36:39 debian org.a11y.atspi.Registry[964]: ** (at-spi2-registryd:967): WARNING **: Failed to register client: GDBus.Error:org.freedes |
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| 02:42.22 | donofrio | freedesktop not loading? |
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| 02:42.42 | donofrio | I mean abrotman it is working all perfect in wheezy.....x11 and all... |
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| 02:42.52 | donofrio | just having issues in jessie..... |
| 02:43.46 | nezZario | hm |
| 02:43.47 | nezZario | So |
| 02:44.15 | nezZario | I have a old ubuntu install, trying to copy my home dir and other data over from a old IDE laptop drive.. I used pax, was this the best choice? |
| 02:44.49 | nezZario | I am so happy I finally got debian back =) |
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| 02:46.04 | zykotick9 | nezZario: you _may_ run into issues trying to use an ubuntu's home dir on debian... just sayin' different versions of software are such... |
| 02:46.14 | abrotman | donofrio: okay ... |
| 02:46.39 | nezZario | ah no, it shouldn't be anything like that, .. it was a headless machine for the most part, just a webdev/software dev shell :) |
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| 02:46.58 | abrotman | donofrio: probably need your X log instead .. |
| 02:47.24 | donofrio | ok I'll paste on moment.. |
| 02:47.53 | donofrio | http://paste.debian.net/111552/ |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | donofrio: you don't have a PPC mini .. wtf |
| 02:49.10 | donofrio | hu? |
| 02:49.13 | donofrio | yah I do... |
| 02:49.17 | donofrio | let me check again |
| 02:49.33 | donofrio | my bad.... |
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| 02:49.40 | dvs | ??? |
| 02:49.40 | donofrio | local terminal not mac mini |
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| 02:50.53 | abrotman | donofrio: decide which box is broken, we'll go from there |
| 02:51.15 | donofrio | lol working on that its the mac mini not the notebook I'm useing to chat |
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| 02:52.14 | themill | hands up if you're confused o/ |
| 02:52.22 | dvs | o/ |
| 02:52.36 | dvs | is always confused anyways |
| 02:52.42 | themill | !confuse abrotman |
| 02:52.43 | dpkg | No, them was our pineapple yesterday, abrotman? Breeches of the Democracy of Swaziland with extra anchovies. |
| 02:52.50 | abrotman | !prise themill |
| 02:52.51 | dpkg | stops themill from molesting that sheep |
| 02:53.02 | themill | oi! |
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| 02:53.11 | abrotman | dvs: Would it help if we put 'eh' at the end of every line? |
| 02:53.17 | OldOneEye | hi may i get help? |
| 02:53.35 | dvs | abrotman: Hmm.... I don't think it would make a difference, eh? |
| 02:53.38 | dgriffi | !burp |
| 02:53.38 | dpkg | burp is, like, #del# |
| 02:53.38 | dvs | whoa! it does work! |
| 02:53.57 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:54.09 | themill | itym eh eh |
| 02:54.20 | dvs | is confused again. |
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| 02:54.35 | donofrio | k got it - http://paste.debian.net/111553/ |
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| 02:57.45 | OldOneEye | hi may i get help? |
| 02:57.52 | dvs | maybe |
| 02:58.18 | abrotman | eh |
| 02:58.29 | dvs | heh |
| 02:58.31 | OldOneEye | may we query? |
| 02:58.48 | donofrio | abrotman: is that look better.. ppc xorg file as asked for |
| 02:58.58 | OldOneEye | im having trouble accessing a windows7 shared folder |
| 02:59.10 | OldOneEye | also my mic |
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| 03:02.22 | OldOneEye | can anyone help? |
| 03:02.32 | donofrio | any hope xorg gods |
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| 03:07.04 | donofrio | abrotman: did that newest paste work for you? |
| 03:07.24 | OldOneEye | dono can u help me? |
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| 03:08.57 | donofrio | I can try, I don't link up to win7 too much...it's got it's own backend security changes....that probably need to be done....did you have it working before and now you upgraded or reinstalled linux now? |
| 03:09.44 | OldOneEye | no never been work |
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| 03:10.13 | donofrio | so where are you at now? |
| 03:10.22 | donofrio | what os |
| 03:10.27 | OldOneEye | debian desktop |
| 03:10.30 | donofrio | k |
| 03:10.45 | OldOneEye | its asks me for passwork |
| 03:10.48 | OldOneEye | word |
| 03:11.05 | donofrio | share permission opened on win7 endpoint? |
| 03:11.17 | OldOneEye | how? |
| 03:11.30 | OldOneEye | yes should be |
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| 03:12.00 | basheba | netflix on linux? what do we use for silverlight |
| 03:12.56 | somiaj | basheba: it can be done in wine, not sure if you still need a custom patched wine or not. It wasn't easily available for debian last I checked as the premade packages were all for ubuntu |
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| 03:13.30 | Shadow_7 | basheba: netflix? pipelight... there is a way, don't have that service though |
| 03:13.45 | abrotman | donofrio: again, i told you that my PPC box doesn't have a working X at all .. and pointed you at the #debianppc channel |
| 03:13.47 | basheba | wuddaya think of this http://www.compholio.com/netflix-desktop/ putting ppa: on here? |
| 03:14.00 | abrotman | basheba: PPAs aren't for Dedbian |
| 03:14.21 | basheba | is Kali the same? I'm on Kali Linux based on Wheezy |
| 03:14.31 | basheba | Kali is just a menu |
| 03:15.27 | zykotick9 | basheba: see "/msg dpkg kali" for support details |
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| 03:16.30 | donofrio | abrotman: I'm in that channel noone typing |
| 03:16.54 | abrotman | donofrio: it's 11pm EST, 5am in Europe .. be patient |
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| 03:18.56 | somiaj | basheba: as I said you won't find it easily packaged for debian. You will most likely have to compile your own patched version of wine. |
| 03:20.23 | OldOneEye | can someone help me setup my microphone? |
| 03:20.34 | basheba | moonlight has been discontinued. Does that mean it's not secure? |
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| 03:40.21 | OldOneEye | anyone ? |
| 03:40.32 | OldOneEye | need help |
| 03:40.40 | OldOneEye | getting mic working |
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| 03:43.41 | nezZario | wtf |
| 03:43.55 | nezZario | Ok, I installed lightdm, but it won't let me login, complains there is no .Xsession ? |
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| 03:46.21 | wxcafe | hey |
| 03:47.43 | wxcafe | I'm trying to connect to a wifi network with wicd |
| 03:48.30 | wxcafe | so the wpa part works well and nice |
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| 03:48.43 | wxcafe | what's actually causing trouble is the dhcp |
| 03:49.12 | wxcafe | now to the weird part : the wifi AP is a repeater |
| 03:49.37 | wxcafe | with the original wifi network, all works well (that one comes from an Apple time capsule) |
| 03:49.48 | wxcafe | but with the repeater, as I said, it doesn't work |
| 03:50.03 | wxcafe | and if I set up an IP by hand, it doesn't work either |
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| 03:50.32 | wxcafe | so it happens that I've got a device running OSX that connects well to the repeater ap |
| 03:50.49 | wxcafe | and that device tells me the repeater AP doesn't make the traffic go through it |
| 03:50.53 | donofrio | xorg "[ 43.300] (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section." any thoughts? |
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| 03:51.25 | wxcafe | so if anyone has had an similar experience |
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| 04:17.57 | OldOneEye | hi |
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| 04:25.52 | Shurtagul | I need some help with mpv. I cant figure out how to switch the audio track in a dual audio file. |
| 04:26.26 | OldOneEye | hi |
| 04:26.35 | OldOneEye | need some help with mic |
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| 04:42.16 | OldOneEye | need some help with mic |
| 04:43.18 | kaisu_tsuneyama | What's the problem |
| 04:43.33 | OldOneEye | cant get my mic working |
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| 04:44.04 | ldrancer | did you try screaming |
| 04:44.05 | kaisu_tsuneyama | Is it 3.5mm jack mic or usb mic? |
| 04:44.14 | OldOneEye | internal |
| 04:44.28 | OldOneEye | on a laptop |
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| 04:44.41 | rozie | OldOneEye: does sound work? |
| 04:44.47 | OldOneEye | yes |
| 04:44.55 | OldOneEye | pulse audio |
| 04:45.28 | rozie | ahm. I'd say "run alsamixer and check if it's not muted" |
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| 04:46.20 | kaisu_tsuneyama | in alsamixer you might have to press F6 and select the correct sound card. |
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| 04:47.48 | OldOneEye | no help |
| 04:48.18 | OldOneEye | doesnt show up in hardware input under sound |
| 04:49.17 | OldOneEye | in system settings |
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| 04:52.16 | kaisu_tsuneyama | do you have /dev/dsp0 /dev/dsp1 ? |
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| 04:56.05 | OldOneEye | no |
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| 05:08.17 | sklav | Hi guys why does the debian cve tracker not list squeeze-lts packages? |
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| 05:08.46 | sklav | pretty important to have update packages listed there |
| 05:08.56 | sklav | kinda the point of an lts |
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| 05:10.58 | heurist | dpkg: tell sklav about squeeze-lts |
| 05:11.40 | sklav | heurist, i am aware |
| 05:12.01 | heurist | sklav: it is Volunteer-provided, not official. |
| 05:12.16 | sklav | i was under the impression it was official |
| 05:12.21 | sklav | my mistake then |
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| 05:13.22 | sklav | is there a way to see a report of what chaged in the new package from squeeze-lts? |
| 05:13.31 | sklav | similar to changelog on rpm? |
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| 05:15.23 | heurist | sklav: maybe the mailing list, it is still a pretty new project, so a lot of that infrastructure is not in place yet. If it works wheezy-lts will be better supported and may be official. |
| 05:16.02 | sklav | im readin threw the mailing list |
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| 05:16.18 | sklav | lts would be amazing if it was officially supported |
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| 05:16.57 | sklav | i really like debian but from a pci compliance it gets annoying when you need to dig like this for cve notes |
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| 05:18.16 | sklav | well good news it seem it was patched in lts |
| 05:18.29 | heurist | sklav: that is why people are doing the lts trial, but maybe use wheezy instead of squeeze, it is better supported and should go lts if squeeze-lts works |
| 05:18.49 | sklav | heurist, easier said than done |
| 05:18.58 | heurist | sklav: don't I know it. |
| 05:19.00 | sklav | over 250+ machines running squeeze |
| 05:19.16 | sklav | lts was a god send when it was annouced |
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| 05:22.33 | sklav | heurist, moving to wheezy is the plan but moving every 2 years is annoying with the amount of machines it would be a constant upgrade cycle that by the time i would be done i would be moving to the next os release |
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| 05:29.29 | heurist | sklav: maybe wait for jessie (soonish) and then hope it gets lts. |
| 05:29.43 | sklav | i was just typing that |
| 05:29.46 | sklav | ;) |
| 05:29.51 | heurist | sklav: too slow. |
| 05:29.59 | sklav | by the time im ready to move jessie will be out |
| 05:30.28 | sklav | i know i should not say this but centos is looking apealing |
| 05:30.32 | sklav | ;) |
| 05:30.43 | heurist | sklav: yeah, I am constantly surprised when I hear about jessie freeze, time has flown so fast. |
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| 05:31.18 | heurist | sklav: I started typing that a few times as well, 20 years support is very apearling, I like Scientific Linux over centos though. |
| 05:31.21 | OldOneEye | how do i get /dev/dsp0 /dev/dsp1 |
| 05:31.31 | sklav | well based that squeeze is at 6.9 wheezy is at 7.6 im expecting less than a year |
| 05:31.59 | sklav | heurist i used scientific for a while also |
| 05:32.28 | sklav | but now that centos has redhat backing it should be pretty sweet and quick to release which so far seem to be the case |
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| 05:33.08 | heurist | sklav: I am worried what that will do to SL and such, makes them either less apealing or more apealing dependant on you RH favour. |
| 05:33.20 | sklav | i got a test server up and running centos 7 and so far other than systemd all is working |
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| 05:33.55 | heurist | sklav: big reason for looking at rh based is proper selinux support, debian is just not good enough there. |
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| 05:34.31 | OldOneEye | hi |
| 05:34.32 | heurist | sklav: I have been using systemd in wheezy for over a year, I am starting to like it. I now think it is a good idea. |
| 05:34.34 | sklav | yeah selinux is sweet and a hell of lot easier to tweak than it used to be |
| 05:35.00 | sklav | i miss service apache start |
| 05:35.13 | sklav | but i must say their init scripts are supper simple |
| 05:35.19 | heurist | sklav: that still works. |
| 05:35.40 | sklav | yeah but you do not get the nice color OK FAIL |
| 05:35.42 | sklav | ;) |
| 05:35.54 | sklav | im just getting used to using systemctl now |
| 05:35.59 | heurist | sklav: what I miss is auto-complete on /etc/init.d/<tab> to get the exact name. |
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| 05:36.03 | sklav | but the way it logs errors is way better |
| 05:36.14 | OldOneEye | may i have some help? |
| 05:36.17 | heurist | sklav: systemctl status is sweet, show you logs too at the same time. |
| 05:36.30 | heurist | OldOneEye: stop nagging. |
| 05:36.35 | heurist | !ask |
| 05:36.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 05:36.41 | sklav | agreed much cleaner than looking into /var/log/daemon |
| 05:37.02 | OldOneEye | !ask cant get microphone working |
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| 05:37.24 | sklav | OldOneEye, is /dev/dsp* in /dev directory? |
| 05:37.25 | heurist | sklav: or whatever log is relevant to the specific situation. |
| 05:37.29 | OldOneEye | no |
| 05:37.46 | sklav | OldOneEye, does your sound card work? |
| 05:37.54 | OldOneEye | yes |
| 05:38.03 | OldOneEye | pulse audio |
| 05:38.04 | sklav | heurist, what i do hate is the change to ip over ifconfig |
| 05:38.27 | sklav | OldOneEye, open a terminal and type alsamixer |
| 05:38.31 | heurist | sklav: my fingers do not know ip yet, so I keep installing ifconfig to make them happy. |
| 05:38.35 | sklav | make sure microphone is not muted |
| 05:38.43 | sklav | same here |
| 05:38.49 | sklav | ip makes me feel stupid |
| 05:39.04 | sklav | i just installed ifconfig to get around it |
| 05:39.05 | heurist | sklav: though I think I do prefer ip, wish it was around from the begining. |
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| 05:39.30 | sklav | yeah it is more powerful |
| 05:39.50 | sklav | but after 14 years of using ifconfig it is painful |
| 05:39.55 | heurist | sklav: I have been bit by differences in ifconfig on various systems, slight changes in output breaking scripts. |
| 05:40.18 | OldOneEye | nothing |
| 05:40.25 | OldOneEye | i got the audio mixer |
| 05:40.34 | OldOneEye | but cant see the problem |
| 05:40.38 | sklav | do you see a mic entry? |
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| 05:40.49 | heurist | sklav: the sact that you need to think about the paramaters for ip every time, while ifconfig on its own will give you what you want most times. |
| 05:41.09 | sklav | heurist i think im just lazy as of late |
| 05:41.09 | heurist | OldOneEye: which mixer? |
| 05:41.26 | heurist | sklav: learning new stuff to replace old is always hard. |
| 05:41.35 | OldOneEye | alsa |
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| 05:41.56 | heurist | sklav: though I theoretically trasitioned to ip about 8 years ago when gentoo made it default, it has not stuck yet. |
| 05:42.01 | sklav | the issue is always learning new stuff and forgetting older stuff that is rarely used anymore |
| 05:42.02 | OldOneEye | doesnt show up in hardware input under sound |
| 05:42.07 | OldOneEye | in system settings |
| 05:42.08 | heurist | OldOneEye: did you not say pulse earlier? |
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| 05:42.15 | OldOneEye | yes |
| 05:42.29 | heurist | rhwn use pulse stuff not alsa, mixing them is bad. |
| 05:42.46 | heurist | s/rhwn/then/ |
| 05:42.55 | sklav | heurist i was forced to use it under archlinux but after an upgrade broke the system i just went debian |
| 05:43.12 | heurist | OldOneEye: pavucontrol is probably a place to start. |
| 05:43.15 | sklav | heurist does not pulse use alsa in the backgound? |
| 05:43.26 | sklav | i always need to use alsa to enable my audio in |
| 05:43.45 | OldOneEye | no input devices |
| 05:43.45 | heurist | sklav: kinda, but not really, the alsa tools do not work well with pulse though. |
| 05:43.45 | sklav | i got my ps3 hooked up to my PC |
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| 05:44.34 | heurist | OldOneEye: does the mic work on other OSes? is it enabled in hardware, is it broken? there are too many variables, we can not fix this for you over the net. |
| 05:44.59 | OldOneEye | it works on windows |
| 05:45.05 | sklav | i was thinking maybe it was muted like it seems to always be on my system |
| 05:45.14 | OldOneEye | i dunno how to enable it on hardware |
| 05:45.53 | sklav | OldOneEye, how many soundcards does your system detect? |
| 05:46.14 | sklav | example my hdmi video card is shown as audio on my system |
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| 05:46.21 | OldOneEye | build in and hdmi |
| 05:46.23 | sklav | since hdmi can pass audio |
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| 05:46.52 | sklav | ok i know not recommended but alsamixer top right corner says what for card? |
| 05:47.09 | Network_guy | Hi guys... I have a serious problem.. Maybe anyone can help me by sharing his experience |
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| 05:47.32 | OldOneEye | pulse audio |
| 05:48.05 | sklav | what happend if you press f6 |
| 05:48.11 | sklav | you should get a menu |
| 05:48.28 | sklav | do you see your sound card in that list |
| 05:48.38 | OldOneEye | hda intel and hd audio generic |
| 05:48.49 | Network_guy | It's related to the networking |
| 05:48.59 | Network_guy | shall I ask here or there is a channel for network problems |
| 05:49.02 | sklav | select hda intel |
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| 05:49.13 | sklav | you can try Network_guy |
| 05:49.37 | sklav | OldOneEye, do you see a bunch of options now? |
| 05:49.45 | OldOneEye | yes |
| 05:49.56 | sklav | do you have one for Mic |
| 05:50.03 | OldOneEye | yes |
| 05:50.29 | sklav | is the MM listed where you would expect a number? |
| 05:50.30 | OldOneEye | doesnt work wen i turn it up |
| 05:50.45 | Network_guy | We have a network with around 100 computers... Some of them has fix IP (printers, servers), some of them gets IP trough DHCP... We don't have all IP addresses taken yet... One server has fixed IP 10.13.10.3 |
| 05:50.46 | sklav | hit m |
| 05:50.47 | mikodo | What do you guys think? I want to switch to Debian, as a older casual user in 60's, for just -> email, browsing, playing videos, music and some Libreoffice docs. Would "Testing" be reasonably stable for this casual use? |
| 05:51.10 | OldOneEye | ok |
| 05:51.15 | sklav | mikodo, more or less yes |
| 05:51.25 | mikodo | sklav, Thanks |
| 05:51.28 | sklav | once in a while things can break |
| 05:51.38 | mikodo | Ok |
| 05:51.48 | OldOneEye | still does nothing |
| 05:51.54 | Network_guy | that server with fixed IP 10.13.10.3 is keep disconnecting... I did a research and some other device is disconnecting it |
| 05:52.03 | Network_guy | I can't find it out whether it's a virus or anything else |
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| 05:52.12 | OldOneEye | i dont have /dev/dsp0 /dev/dsp1 |
| 05:52.14 | sklav | i ran testing for a while never had any major issue except once my dvd burner no longer could burn a good disk laste 3 weeks |
| 05:53.12 | jmcnaught | mikodo: why not use Debian Stable for a bit while you learn Debian? If you need newer versions of a few things, there's backports and the mozilla.debian.net packages for newer Iceweasel. |
| 05:53.34 | sklav | Network_guy, how do you know something is disconnecting it? |
| 05:53.52 | mikodo | jmcnaught, I like the semi-rolling idea of testing |
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| 05:54.22 | sklav | mikodo, is personally do what jmcnaught said |
| 05:54.27 | Network_guy | the server runs apache2 modul... I've changed the welcome text... Sometimes my welcome text appears and everything is working OK... the other time the default text appears and nothing is working |
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| 05:54.47 | Network_guy | It's possible to ping it all the time... I've also detected the IP conflict message |
| 05:54.54 | sklav | Network_guy, you postive nobody is using the ip already |
| 05:54.58 | mikodo | sklav, Sorry? |
| 05:55.03 | Network_guy | 100% positive |
| 05:55.08 | jmcnaught | mikodo: just keep in mind that it's primarily for testing and bug fixing. stuff does break and it can be frustrating to fix especially if you're new to Debian. You can always upgrade later. |
| 05:55.08 | Network_guy | I've set all devices |
| 05:55.23 | sklav | sounds like 2 servers are using the same ip |
| 05:55.46 | sklav | mikodo, i meant to say i use stable with backports and the iceweasel repo |
| 05:56.01 | sklav | in general everything just works |
| 05:56.24 | Network_guy | Thought so to but I don't know what to do anymore... I've changed the IP from 10.13.10.3 to 10.13.10.11, everything is working OK so far... But I don't know how to find it out what's running on 10.13.10.3 |
| 05:56.51 | sklav | arp |
| 05:56.51 | mikodo | jmcnaught, Maybe I will install both Stable and Testing, and see what I like. |
| 05:56.53 | Network_guy | time to time I can ping it.... So it's really sounds like a virus to me |
| 05:57.02 | sklav | you might be able to get the mac address that way |
| 05:57.16 | sklav | Network_guy, doesn't sound like a virus |
| 05:57.19 | jmcnaught | mikodo: in addition to wheezy "just working" it keeps on working the same way every day, so you don't have to worry that applying updates for security might also change the behaviour of your system or break things that used to work. Last week in Jessie Xorg got upgraded and broke the proprietary nvidia and ati video drivers for example. |
| 05:57.48 | sklav | Network_guy sounds like a nic issue at first glimpse |
| 05:58.14 | mikodo | jmcnaught, hmm, well that is why I asked. Thanks. Stable I will go with |
| 05:58.33 | sklav | Network_guy, keep in mind some developer might be running and apache server without you knowing it |
| 05:58.50 | mikodo | sklav, Thanks to you too |
| 05:59.08 | sklav | np mikodo |
| 05:59.42 | jmcnaught | mikodo: I use Wheezy and am pretty happy with it. I also have an external with Jessie that I boot sometimes to play around with. If you have a fairly recent computer you could also install Jessie in a virtual machine to play around with. If you're new I suggest reading the Installation Guide for help with the install, and either the Debian Administrator's Handbook and/or the Debian Reference :) |
| 06:00.02 | Network_guy | I am the only developer here =).. That's why it's weird... All others don't have a clue about networking... I've changed the network card just to be sure that it's not a problem... I even changed the server (copied the data) and still the same... After I've changed the IP everything works fine |
| 06:00.09 | Network_guy | I really want to find out where is the problem |
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| 06:00.31 | sklav | Network_guy, clueless users are the worst |
| 06:00.39 | sklav | they do stuff like i mentioned |
| 06:00.45 | sklav | try running arp |
| 06:00.53 | Network_guy | That's so true... So you think it's possible that someone has set the ip to 10.13.10.3? |
| 06:00.54 | Network_guy | manually |
| 06:00.56 | sklav | it will list ipaddress and mac |
| 06:00.57 | Network_guy | it's possible |
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| 06:01.10 | mikodo | jmcnaught, I am familiar with Vbox, and have a quad-core, but I am busy, and choose to just install one, on the meta |
| 06:01.23 | mikodo | metal |
| 06:01.40 | Network_guy | 10.13.10.300:24:d7:ce:c0:58Intel Corporate |
| 06:01.46 | twoface4 | It seems there are missing nvidia packages in jessie right now - i can't find any dkms or driver packages. Can this be right? |
| 06:01.51 | heurist | mikodo: if you are busy then stich with wheezy and wheezy-backports, jessie are too much work. |
| 06:01.54 | Network_guy | that's what I got... and few minutes later it's offline |
| 06:02.08 | sklav | Network_guy, does that match the mac in the machine/server |
| 06:02.18 | mikodo | heurist, Thanks a bunch guys. G'nite. |
| 06:02.28 | jmcnaught | mikodo: VirtualBox is available in Debian as well, but not currently in Jessie due to bugs. There's alternatives to as well. |
| 06:02.37 | Network_guy | the machine is offline at the moment =) |
| 06:02.39 | sklav | Network_guy is it still fluctuating now? |
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| 06:03.04 | Network_guy | still :/ |
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| 06:03.18 | heurist | Network_guy: check the logs on the machine in question. |
| 06:03.35 | Network_guy | I'll do it... give me a minute |
| 06:03.46 | sklav | also replace the cable if you have not |
| 06:03.51 | sklav | it could be bad |
| 06:04.01 | sklav | that i have seen a few times in the past year |
| 06:04.03 | Network_guy | of course I've changed the cable |
| 06:04.06 | sklav | bad contact |
| 06:04.09 | Network_guy | I've also changed the patch |
| 06:04.14 | sklav | port on the switch ? |
| 06:04.32 | Network_guy | ya... You believe or not I've also changed the switch :D |
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| 06:04.52 | sklav | i have no reason not to believe you |
| 06:05.04 | sklav | you mentioned the nic also was changed |
| 06:05.23 | Network_guy | This problem is making me insane... We also have problems with the internet connection... Our provider is keep saying everything is OK on their graphs |
| 06:05.32 | Network_guy | but we have interrupts every day |
| 06:05.38 | sklav | ok |
| 06:05.49 | sklav | do you have any crap switches in the office? |
| 06:05.59 | sklav | you know those 5 port switched etc... |
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| 06:06.08 | Network_guy | hmmmmmmmmmm |
| 06:06.20 | sklav | i had to replace 6 of them in the last year |
| 06:06.26 | sklav | they would crash the network |
| 06:06.32 | Network_guy | really?????? |
| 06:06.35 | sklav | they were all gig switches |
| 06:06.39 | sklav | from asus |
| 06:06.45 | sklav | they work perfectly |
| 06:07.02 | Network_guy | even there are 5 computers connected to it, it can crash a whole network? |
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| 06:07.23 | sklav | 1 bad nic can crash a network |
| 06:07.34 | Network_guy | it's goot to know that |
| 06:07.36 | sklav | not a good network but a basic network easily |
| 06:07.59 | sklav | try unplugging them one at a time or all and then plug in slowly |
| 06:08.04 | sklav | test a few minutes |
| 06:08.09 | sklav | and then keep going |
| 06:08.19 | sklav | i personally chnaged all 6 |
| 06:08.33 | heurist | Network_guy: check the logs first though. |
| 06:08.38 | sklav | 6*25$ was a small price to pay for sanity |
| 06:09.10 | sklav | he mentioned his whole network is on the fritz daily |
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| 06:09.46 | sklav | i had an asus 8 port gig crash my network to many times to count |
| 06:10.12 | sklav | brb smoke break |
| 06:10.33 | Network_guy | tyt mate.... You gave me another reason to investigate |
| 06:10.45 | Network_guy | thank god... I've thought I've tried everything |
| 06:11.29 | heurist | Network_guy: consider tcpdump as part of your logs (maybe make it wireshark if you prefer) it may show you interesting stuff at the time you have problems. Don't forget to look while you are not having problems so you know what is normal. Also look into doing nmap scans and comparing the results. |
| 06:12.48 | Network_guy | I am just checking it heurist |
| 06:12.54 | TyrfingMjolnir | How to fix this: |
| 06:12.57 | TyrfingMjolnir | Where to paste? |
| 06:13.03 | Network_guy | pastebin |
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| 06:13.35 | heurist | !pastebin |
| 06:13.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 06:13.37 | TyrfingMjolnir | http://pastebin.com/SQ4Jx6Bs |
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| 06:14.57 | Network_guy | 10.13.10.300:24:d7:ce:c0:58Intel Corporate (DUP: 1) |
| 06:15.52 | Network_guy | DUP:1... duplicate :/ |
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| 06:16.14 | heurist | Network_guy: what is telling you that? |
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| 06:18.03 | Network_guy | It's telling me that there is an IP conflict |
| 06:18.07 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: You could try "dpkg-reconfigure locales", also see https://wiki.debian.org/Locale . In the future this channel prefers http://paste.debian.net/ over pastebin for the reasons dpkg stated above :) |
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| 06:19.02 | heurist | Network_guy: depends what tool told you that, it could be duplicate packets or duplicate mac addresses (seen that onces). |
| 06:19.39 | heurist | Network_guy: maybe look into setting up dhcp, it will save you time in the long run. |
| 06:19.57 | sklav | heurist he is using dhcp |
| 06:20.20 | Network_guy | yap I do |
| 06:20.32 | heurist | sklav: Network_guy: and mixing it with static? |
| 06:20.47 | sklav | he has a reserved range im guessing |
| 06:20.53 | heurist | Network_guy: dhcp will not hand out dup IPs |
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| 06:21.11 | sklav | no i think a user picked one and went with it |
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| 06:21.22 | Network_guy | that's the most possible |
| 06:21.22 | heurist | sklav: what fun. |
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| 06:21.30 | sklav | agreed |
| 06:21.34 | TyrfingMjolnir | jmcnaught: please put preferred pastie in title |
| 06:21.53 | heurist | Network_guy: check dhcp logs and leases for that IP and mac, that will tell you if dhcp gave it out and to whom. |
| 06:22.08 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: i'm not an op :) |
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| 06:22.53 | TyrfingMjolnir | And which locale is made for all packages? |
| 06:23.05 | Network_guy | another good suggestion |
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| 06:23.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 06:23.32 | TyrfingMjolnir | This one is obsolete: en_US ISO-8859-1, no? |
| 06:23.51 | sklav | it's getting there TyrfingMjolnir |
| 06:24.02 | sklav | but i would not say obsolete |
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| 06:24.26 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: I've been using UTF for years now without problems. |
| 06:25.21 | sklav | I heard if you need special characters it can have issues but in general i never had issues when using English |
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| 06:25.44 | Network_guy | mac address is not the same |
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| 06:26.58 | sklav | Network_guy sounds like someone needs a beating |
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| 06:27.14 | Network_guy | how to find him? |
| 06:27.28 | Network_guy | I will have to check 150 PC's |
| 06:27.59 | heurist | Network_guy: block the IP at the firewall and see who complains. |
| 06:28.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | http://paste.debian.net/111562/ |
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| 06:28.32 | heurist | Network_guy: you could block mac address instead. |
| 06:29.00 | Network_guy | yeah... that's the best way to do it for sure |
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| 06:29.17 | mantas | hello. After unexpected reboot I am getting "ERROR: asr: reading /dev/sdc[Input/output error]" on boot. The HDD is dead or just need fsck? |
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| 06:29.48 | TyrfingMjolnir | What is the problem with my locale: http://paste.debian.net/111562/ ? |
| 06:29.56 | Network_guy | tell me something... while I am analyzing the network... with arpscan or netscan... I always get different results... Half of them are missing, then they are on the list etc... |
| 06:29.58 | Network_guy | Is that normal? |
| 06:30.05 | Network_guy | I am sure they are up all the time |
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| 06:31.07 | sklav | en_SG:en is this valid? |
| 06:31.25 | sklav | this is what is on my systemen_SG.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 06:31.35 | sklav | en_SG.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 06:31.47 | sklav | check /etc/locale.gen |
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| 06:32.17 | sklav | this is the other one en_SG ISO-8859-1 |
| 06:32.46 | sklav | also check /etc/default/locale |
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| 06:32.56 | sklav | make sure there is no typo |
| 06:33.03 | Zipf | hello, i'm having a hard time. I have an HD shared on my windows 7 machine, i did a fresh install of debian twice (o0ther machine on same network), but the problem always come back. I was accessig it via Palces > Network. Worked fine till restart. My pc vanished from there, i can't see it anymore form debian, and if i try use alt + f2 and connect via smb, i got the same error always: "Failed to retrive share list from server" |
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| 06:33.20 | Zipf | ive been googling for the last two hours, but can't get it to work, i'm new to linux |
| 06:34.09 | jaami | i want to install debian non-free with all firmware. my internet is working ok. how to install from internet. i am using debian live |
| 06:34.16 | sklav | Network_guy still seems like network issue a duplicate would only impact the server and the machine |
| 06:35.13 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: are you connecting to this Debian system over SSH from a Mac? |
| 06:35.26 | TyrfingMjolnir | yes |
| 06:35.43 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell TyrfingMjolnir -about mac locales |
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| 06:36.13 | sklav | can i find out also? |
| 06:36.20 | mshindo | does anyone know how I can get beep to work with preseed/late_command while preseeding d-i? |
| 06:36.25 | sklav | dpkg: tell sklav -about mac locales |
| 06:36.43 | jmcnaught | sklav: you can also do "/msg dpkg mac locales" |
| 06:37.19 | sklav | thanks for the info |
| 06:37.46 | heurist | dpkg: tell sklav about selftell |
| 06:37.46 | sklav | i got a mac recently and i know this will come up as i use it more |
| 06:38.21 | jaami | is it possible to install debian directly from internet? |
| 06:38.40 | sklav | thanks i should have remembered that i used to run my own bot back in the day |
| 06:38.50 | sklav | jaami yes it is |
| 06:39.08 | jaami | sklav, ok, thanks |
| 06:39.16 | sklav | i believe you want the alternatives download to proceed |
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| 06:39.45 | sklav | i have used it in the past to create a pxe install for some servers that needed non-free drivers |
| 06:39.46 | heurist | dpkg: tell jaami about netinstall |
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| 06:40.07 | jaami | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.32 | jaami | heurist, , thanks that is what i was asking |
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| 06:41.41 | Zipf | anyone able to give me a hand with my problem ? |
| 06:42.00 | heurist | dpkg: tell Zipf about ask |
| 06:42.10 | jaami | heurist, that is difficult to understand |
| 06:42.45 | sklav | Zipf you using samba? |
| 06:42.51 | jaami | heurist, please tell me steps i need for netinstall |
| 06:42.57 | heurist | jaami: it is probably not what you want then. Borrow a small usb from someone and use that. |
| 06:43.00 | Zipf | ive just installed samba |
| 06:43.12 | sklav | did you configure samba yet? |
| 06:43.21 | sklav | example the hostgroup etc... |
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| 06:43.27 | Zipf | no |
| 06:43.29 | jaami | heurist, please tell me steps |
| 06:43.52 | jaami | if possible |
| 06:44.01 | sklav | jaami netinstall is a disk that needs burning to a cdrom or usb key |
| 06:44.08 | jaami | otherwise i will wait for someone else to help me |
| 06:44.09 | TyrfingMjolnir | jmcnaught: In Terminal, uncheck Settings->Advanced->"Set locale environment variables on startup", or (b) change SendEnv in ~/.ssh/config to not send LC_CTYPE (man ssh_config) |
| 06:44.25 | TyrfingMjolnir | I m not using Terminal.app or .ssh/config, I use iTerm |
| 06:44.43 | jaami | Skaag, oh, it means there no netinstall in real. |
| 06:44.52 | heurist | jaami: you will need to have something to boot from, usb is simplest these days. |
| 06:45.09 | sklav | jaami unless you setup a pxe server |
| 06:45.13 | jmcnaught | jaami: the netinstall iso still requires you to boot frm USB or a CD. The instructions are on the Installation Guide: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual or you could check https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall (but for this you need a local computer to act as a server) |
| 06:45.18 | jaami | i am using live usb i created with yumi. |
| 06:45.41 | jaami | ok |
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| 06:46.05 | sklav | honestly just dd a netinstall image to a small usb |
| 06:46.15 | sklav | pxe requires a lot of tweaking |
| 06:46.16 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: sorry I don't have a Mac I was just aware of that dpkg factoid. iTerm is some sort of SSH client, or do you still run "ssh me@debianhost.example.com" ? |
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| 06:46.23 | TyrfingMjolnir | Nice |
| 06:46.25 | TyrfingMjolnir | Thank you |
| 06:46.41 | jaami | i dont know why my live usb install menu option is no good, during install the debian files are searched from cd rom |
| 06:46.42 | TyrfingMjolnir | ssh 10.10.11.12 |
| 06:47.22 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: then you probably have a ~/.ssh directory on your Mac that has a config file, or you could make one there |
| 06:47.33 | TyrfingMjolnir | Yes, can make |
| 06:47.38 | heurist | jaami: if you do not have a cd then it installs from internet after you press enter. |
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| 06:47.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | Looking in iTerm prefs now |
| 06:49.11 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: ~/.ssh/config is a file used by the ssh command (doesn't matter which terminal you use to run it) |
| 06:49.38 | TyrfingMjolnir | But unchecking the send locale checkbox in iTerm removed the problem |
| 06:49.53 | jaami | heurist, i think i could not make thing clear. actually, i am using live usb i created from debian iso. and the main menu shows install option. but that option when selcted , during install debian system files are searched from cd rom instead of my live usb. i dont understand why |
| 06:50.34 | heurist | jaami: which debian iso are you using? |
| 06:50.51 | sklav | jaami did you download netinstall.iso and copy it onto the usb? |
| 06:50.56 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: cool. |
| 06:51.26 | jaami | i did not download netinstall, i downloaded desktop iso |
| 06:51.40 | TyrfingMjolnir | I unchecked the checkbox, in iTerm -> Preferences -> Profile -> Terminal at the bottom: [ ] Set locale variables automatically |
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| 06:51.53 | TyrfingMjolnir | How can I add this line to the response from dpkg? |
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| 06:52.01 | jaami | i was thinking that after booting into debian there will be option to install from internet |
| 06:52.12 | TyrfingMjolnir | jmcnaught: unchecked the checkbox, in iTerm -> Preferences -> Profile -> Terminal at the bottom: [ ] Set locale variables automatically |
| 06:52.22 | TyrfingMjolnir | Uncheck the checkbox, in iTerm -> Preferences -> Profile -> Terminal at the bottom: [ ] Set locale variables automatically |
| 06:52.30 | sklav | install should work of the usb |
| 06:52.42 | heurist | jaami: by "desktop" do you mean "live" |
| 06:52.43 | sklav | then you install linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 06:53.00 | jaami | sklav, yes, i thought install will work but it did not |
| 06:53.08 | jaami | heurist, yes, live |
| 06:53.10 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: No need to repeat yourself :) Are you still getting the errors on Debian? If so, try running "dpkg-reconfigure locales" again |
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| 06:53.27 | TyrfingMjolnir | No more errors after unchecking that box |
| 06:53.29 | heurist | jaami: try using an install image instead. |
| 06:53.36 | Zipf | sklav ok, i just did the minimal setting for smb.conf but still when i try connect using smb://ip i get the error: "Failed tp retrieve share list from server" |
| 06:53.56 | sklav | Zipf what version of windows? |
| 06:54.06 | jaami | may i ask, if there is any option to start installation when system is up with live usb? |
| 06:54.11 | Zipf | windows 7 x64 |
| 06:54.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | jmcnaught: How can I add this line to the documentation? for dpkg: tell TyrfingMjolnir -about mac locales |
| 06:54.19 | jmcnaught | sklav: it's firmware-linux-nonfree not linux-firmware-nonfree :) |
| 06:54.43 | sklav | jmcnaught yes your are right |
| 06:54.50 | sklav | i had a feeling i was wrong |
| 06:55.05 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: add it to what documentation? For iTerm? It was a Mac problem you were having, not really Debian related. |
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| 06:55.09 | Zipf | u see, when i did the fresh install of debian, i haven't done any samba install or anyrthing, i just go to Place > Network and i could see and log on windws pc from there, after restart i can't see my share there anymore, and i can't even connect on it via smb |
| 06:55.22 | Zipf | i do can ping the windows ip from debian and it ping fine |
| 06:55.27 | TyrfingMjolnir | You typed in: dpkg: tell TyrfingMjolnir -about mac locales |
| 06:55.45 | TyrfingMjolnir | How can I add my sentence after what it already tells? |
| 06:55.54 | jaami | is there any netinstall command that i can run from terminal? |
| 06:56.05 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: dpkg is a bot in this channel |
| 06:56.16 | TyrfingMjolnir | I understand that |
| 06:56.27 | TyrfingMjolnir | But it reads some database of documentation, no? |
| 06:56.36 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell TyrfingMjolnir -about selftell |
| 06:57.05 | sklav | jaami on the debian.org site the download option is a netinstall iso |
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| 06:57.18 | TyrfingMjolnir | But how can I tell the bot something? |
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| 06:57.30 | Faryshta | hi, anyone here has been able to install debian on a tablet? |
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| 06:58.20 | TyrfingMjolnir | ? |
| 06:58.23 | TyrfingMjolnir | Ubuntu Touch? |
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| 06:58.59 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or is there any debian work on the touch stuff too? |
| 06:59.04 | jmcnaught | TyrfingMjolnir: oh I don't know. As far as I know only ops can tell the bot new things. Also what you did is not really that different from the instructions it provides. |
| 06:59.14 | jaami | sklav, thank you. i have only one usb that i am using right now. i will try to find other usb for netinstall iso |
| 06:59.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | I would love to have debian Touch |
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| 06:59.54 | jaami | sklav, please let me have the link for the netinstall iso. i will use it when i find other usb |
| 07:00.04 | heurist | the bot claim to "learn mainly by observing declarative statements" |
| 07:00.22 | sklav | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-7.6.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 07:00.33 | jaami | Thanks a lot, |
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| 07:00.36 | sklav | its on the main debian.org page top right corner |
| 07:00.37 | jmcnaught | jaami: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual reading the manual is highly recommended as well. |
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| 07:01.38 | jaami | jmcnaught, thank you for the suggestion but i will ask questions when i need help, i m sorry reading is painfull for me |
| 07:01.53 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell jaami -about grounding |
| 07:02.31 | jaami | once again thank you |
| 07:02.46 | jaami | i have to ask questions |
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| 07:04.59 | Faryshta | anyone here has been able to install debian on a tablet? |
| 07:05.11 | sklav | jaami is that a valid excuse where your from ? just kidding... :D |
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| 07:06.05 | jaami | sklav, i am too old to read manuals really i dont need many things just a working debian system. |
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| 07:06.43 | sklav | i was just joking. found it funny that you answered that way |
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| 07:07.17 | jaami | yes, seems stupid, but thats the way i am |
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| 07:10.43 | sklav | ok Guys im out heurist good convo till the next time |
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| 07:11.02 | jaami | sklav, have a great day, and thanks for the help |
| 07:11.09 | sklav | np |
| 07:11.12 | jaami | i did not mind anything |
| 07:11.17 | jaami | :) |
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| 07:13.35 | Faryshta | anyone here has been able to install debian on a tablet? |
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| 07:14.06 | jaami | Faryshta, is it really possible? |
| 07:14.16 | jmcnaught | !anyone |
| 07:14.16 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 07:14.52 | jmcnaught | Faryshta: if you're trying to install it on a tablet and run into problems, you can ask questions about it :) |
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| 07:15.35 | Faryshta | jmcnaught, i am trying to install ubuntu on an acer but haven't got anywhere, not find anyone to help. so i am asking to know which distro to use instead |
| 07:16.20 | Faryshta | jmcnaught, i found an old post http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/unable-creating-a-booting-usb-stick-4175419998/ and it mentions debian |
| 07:16.21 | jmcnaught | Faryshta: what kind of CPU does the tablet have? |
| 07:16.36 | Faryshta | jmcnaught, its an acer aspire p3 |
| 07:16.53 | jmcnaught | Faryshta: is it x86 or ARM? |
| 07:17.38 | Faryshta | jmcnaught, i think its an 64bits since it comes with windows 8 of 64bits |
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| 07:18.13 | Faryshta | jmcnaught, http://www.acer.com.mx/ac/es/MX/content/model/NX.M93AL.006 |
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| 07:21.58 | jmcnaught | Faryshta: If you want to install Debian on it you should read the Install Guide instead of following forum posts from random websites: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual or if you just want to try Debian out you could put a live image on a USB stick: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/ |
| 07:22.30 | jmcnaught | Faryshta: do you already have a Linux distro installed, or will you be preparing the USB stick from Windows? |
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| 07:23.31 | Faryshta | jmcnaught, i have a linux computer where iam writing this |
| 07:23.53 | Faryshta | jmcnaught, mmmm that installmanuals looks blobly, i don't know where to start reading it |
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| 07:24.38 | jmcnaught | Faryshta: the Installation guide has a section on preparing USB sticks for an ISO. Start at the beginning to make sure you don't miss anything :) |
| 07:24.43 | petern_ | That was weird, my system did a combined suspend and halt last night. It resumed this morning and promptly shutdown :S |
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| 07:25.06 | Faryshta | jmcnaught, its too much to start from the beggining, i don't have that much time |
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| 07:26.35 | jmcnaught | Faryshta: well the instructions are there for a reason, and it will take less time to read them than to have people guide you through it step by step or do trial and error. There's also a table of contents. |
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| 07:27.24 | Faryshta | jmcnaught, i am trying to read this https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en still have no idea wht to do with the .iso file |
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| 07:28.32 | jmcnaught | Faryshta: it has a few different options on that page, the simplest is "cp debian...iso /dev/path/to/device" |
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| 07:29.31 | Faryshta | jmcnaught, that my point, i prefer to find someone who has already done it rather than trial error myself |
| 07:29.49 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Faryshta -about grounding |
| 07:30.53 | Faryshta | jmcnaught, i am reading the installation guide and i am not understanding what to do. i told you that |
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| 07:31.08 | jmcnaught | Faryshta: what don't you understand? |
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| 07:33.23 | Faryshta | jmcnaught, which is the way *I* need to make the installation. the installation guide is too general, i can't follow every single path till i luck on the right one for me. |
| 07:33.31 | Faryshta | thats why i ask for human help |
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| 07:33.50 | ar | Hi. Is there a way to list packages that were installed not from a repository, but with "dpkg -i"? |
| 07:34.01 | jmcnaught | Faryshta: you need to be more specific about what you're not understanding in the manual |
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| 07:36.07 | heurist | ar: aptitude search ~i maybe |
| 07:36.29 | tralala | Faryshta, be more specific. Do you need to know how to partition your hard drive? What packages to install? |
| 07:36.32 | Faryshta | jmcnaught, ok from the beggining http://gemmei.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.6.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso is this the proper .iso for http://www.acer.com.mx/ac/es/MX/content/model/NX.M93AL.006 this equipment? |
| 07:37.04 | Faryshta | tralala, as long as it boots and get debian installed i don't care about packages i will install the rest with apt-get later |
| 07:37.08 | ar | heurist: i don't think so |
| 07:37.25 | jmcnaught | ar: 'aptitude search "?obsolete"' will list packages that cannot be downloaded from the repos. 'aptitude search "?installed?not(?origin(debian))"' will list packages that don't come from debian |
| 07:38.16 | ar | jmcnaught: thanks |
| 07:38.31 | tralala | Faryshta, with laptops it's a bit tricky. You have to try and see if the stock installer will support your hardware, otherwise there are unofficial installers with newer kernels. |
| 07:38.32 | ar | seems to work. although i have a feeling that the list is incomplete |
| 07:38.38 | jmcnaught | Faryshta: amd64 images are for 64-bit Intels and AMDs |
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| 07:39.43 | Faryshta | jmcnaught, whats your point? http://www.acer.com.mx/ac/es/MX/content/model/NX.M93AL.006 |
| 07:40.02 | Faryshta | tralala, the only way to know if the .iso will work is to burn it and boot it? |
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| 07:40.50 | tralala | Faryshta, you can just write it to a stick instead of burning a disc. |
| 07:41.01 | babilen | dpkg: usb install |
| 07:41.01 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 07:41.01 | tralala | but yes, that's the only way you'll know |
| 07:41.06 | jmcnaught | Faryshta: look I'm just a volunteer like everyone else here, you should figure out on your own if you have a 64 bit processor or not instead of expecting me to research *your* computer for you. Maybe someone else will help you. I don't know why you expect to be able to install and use a new OS without reading the manual. |
| 07:41.33 | Faryshta | tralala, ok well wrong verb from my part. I am 'burning' it to an usb. but is there a fastest way to know? |
| 07:41.52 | Faryshta | tralala, unetbootin is cool to make the live usb? |
| 07:42.10 | babilen | No, it breaks our installers |
| 07:42.32 | tralala | Faryshta, I don't know any. The installation guide has a section about preparing usb sticks. |
| 07:42.36 | babilen | dpkg: unetbootin |
| 07:42.36 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 07:42.36 | Faryshta | babilen, what should i do then? |
| 07:43.23 | tralala | Faryshta, scroll up and click the link |
| 07:43.31 | babilen | Faryshta: Read the message the bot just mentioned (usb install) and either copy it directly (cp the-image.iso /dev/sdX ; sync -- with /dev/sdX being your usb stick) or use win32diskimageer on Windows |
| 07:43.56 | babilen | Which operating system are you preparing the usb image on? |
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| 07:44.09 | Faryshta | babilen, readed and noted, thanks. i am using ubuntu 13.10 to write this and prepare the usb |
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| 07:44.29 | tralala | So kmuto isn't doing images for wheezy. Too bad. |
| 07:44.33 | Faryshta | babilen, tralala currently i am running cp Descargas/debian-7.6.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso /dev/sdb |
| 07:45.52 | jaami | i think netinstall iso will not work fo rme because there will be many connection timeout errors during install process. so i do need the right iso from which i can install debian |
| 07:45.57 | babilen | Okay, then you can just copy it directly with usb. I would then proceed by creating a filesystem on the *second* partition (e.g. /dev/sdX2 in my example) and extract http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/firmware.{tar.gz,zip} there |
| 07:46.06 | jaami | can someone give me the right link for the iso? |
| 07:46.09 | TyrfingMjolnir | What is a good way to install postgresql-9.3 on debian? |
| 07:46.20 | formorer | TyrfingMjolnir: the postgres apt repos |
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| 07:46.51 | tralala | dpkg, tell jaami -about ig |
| 07:46.56 | babilen | Faryshta: If /dev/sdb is your USB stick that is exactly the right thing to do. Don't forget to run "sync" once you are done with that. You also don't have to extract *both* firmware.tar.gz and firmware.zip on the second partition and vfat would be a suitable filesystem. (mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb2) |
| 07:46.57 | formorer | TyrfingMjolnir: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt they are done by the same people doing the debian packages. |
| 07:47.05 | TyrfingMjolnir | http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/README |
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| 07:48.04 | Faryshta | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:48.25 | babilen | Faryshta: Did you copy the firmware to it? |
| 07:48.52 | Faryshta | the command i used was cp Descargas/debian-7.6.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso /dev/sdb |
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| 07:49.31 | Faryshta | babilen, got error 8001 reading section |
| 07:49.42 | babilen | Faryshta: And you neither ran sync nor did you create a vfat filesystem on /dev/sdb2 nor did you extract one of the firmware archives there? |
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| 07:50.32 | Faryshta | babilen, no i didn't do any of those. |
| 07:51.13 | Faryshta | babilen, i plugged the usb again, ran 'sync' and got no responses, dunno if that is good |
| 07:51.19 | babilen | Okay, you should at least run "sync" to ensure that all data is written to the stick. You don't necessarily need firmware, but some of your hardware components might require it and I simply wanted to make sure that it is working well. |
| 07:51.27 | babilen | It's too late to run sync now :) |
| 07:51.44 | Faryshta | babilen, damn. should i run cp again? |
| 07:51.46 | babilen | You would have to copy the data and then run *sync* and not just remove the stick from the box. |
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| 07:51.51 | tralala | Faryshta, do it again from the beginning then. This time follow all the instructions that babilen gave you. |
| 07:52.14 | mortal | my laptop does not boot after the init related upgrade in testing :/ |
| 07:52.41 | babilen | Faryshta: Note that it might still be possible that the something else is wrong, but we cannot know that if you don't really follow the instructions exactly. (I am, as of now, not convinced that you did indeed copied all data) |
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| 07:53.00 | babilen | mortal: You want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (cf. /topic ) |
| 07:53.09 | Faryshta | tralala, babilen ok, running cp again. |
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| 07:53.23 | mortal | babilen: ok |
| 07:53.28 | babilen | Faryshta: Thanks |
| 07:53.48 | mortal | I must be invited :/ |
| 07:53.54 | mortal | oh it is oftc |
| 07:53.58 | Faryshta | tralala, babilen, thanks to you. i mean it. |
| 07:54.08 | babilen | mortal: yeah, with all the other official channels |
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| 07:55.31 | Faryshta | babilen, tralala i ran cp, and ran sync after |
| 07:55.44 | babilen | +1 |
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| 07:57.23 | tralala | Faryshta, unpack the firmware too because it's very likely that you're going to need it |
| 07:58.04 | babilen | For that: Create a filesystem with "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb2", copy firmware.tar.gz there and unpack it. |
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| 07:59.20 | Faryshta | tralala, babilen where do i get firmware.tar.gz? |
| 07:59.54 | babilen | I linked it earlier |
| 08:00.17 | babilen | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ -- please pay attention ;) |
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| 08:02.20 | Faryshta | running sudo cp Descargas/firmware.tar.gz /dev/sdb2 |
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| 08:02.51 | tralala | no |
| 08:02.58 | tralala | mount the filesystem and then copy and unpack |
| 08:03.21 | tralala | you did create one, right? |
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| 08:04.40 | sandman13 | aren't debian backports the official part of Debian? |
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| 08:04.52 | Faryshta | tralala, i ran mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb and tried to run mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/ but got an error you must specify the filesystem |
| 08:04.58 | babilen | no no no |
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| 08:05.15 | SirLagz | I hope /dev/sdb had nothing important on it |
| 08:05.23 | tralala | Faryshta, again from the beginning then |
| 08:05.32 | Faryshta | SirLagz, i didn't :) |
| 08:05.37 | Faryshta | tralala, damn, sorry |
| 08:05.47 | tralala | and this time really pay attention to the instructions |
| 08:05.49 | sandman13 | babilen: was that for my question? |
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| 08:06.10 | babilen | Run "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb2" (*not* /dev/sdb), then mount it (you can use your filemanager or use "mkdir /media/foo ; mount /dev/sdb2 /media/foo"), copy firmware.tar.gz there (cp firmware.tar.gz /media/foo) and unpack it. |
| 08:06.18 | sandman13 | oh |
| 08:06.20 | tralala | sandman13, no it wasn't. Yes backports are official. |
| 08:06.29 | Faryshta | i did ran it with the 2 at the end |
| 08:06.32 | babilen | The *unmount* /media/foo (umount /media foo) and unplug the stick. |
| 08:06.57 | babilen | sandman13: They are now, yes |
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| 08:07.23 | sandman13 | tralala: basically a guy was wondering if I had to use backports for new softwares then what is the point of installing Debian |
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| 08:07.26 | babilen | dpkg: debian-backports |
| 08:07.26 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 08:07.32 | tralala | Faryshta, then mount should work |
| 08:07.47 | babilen | Faryshta: Please don't /msg me, but keep it in the channel. |
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| 08:08.28 | Artej | hi guys |
| 08:09.07 | babilen | Faryshta: You don't create a filesystem on /dev/sdb (the stick itself), but on one of its partitions and, in particular, the second one /dev/sdb2 .. running "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb" *might* have damaged the data on that stick that you just copied there. |
| 08:09.34 | den-mds | i cant find bumblebee in the jessie repositories. am i missing something here? the googles say its there |
| 08:09.47 | tralala | sandman13, I use Debian because I don't care for upgrading all my software twice an year, but I do care for having smooth upgrade process and vast software archive. Why anyone else should or shouldn't use it is outside my competence. |
| 08:09.58 | babilen | judd: v bumblebee |
| 08:10.00 | judd | Package: bumblebee on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 3.2.1-4~bpo70+1; sid: 3.2.1-5 |
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| 08:10.04 | babilen | den-mds: ^^^ |
| 08:10.07 | sandman13 | tralala: told him so |
| 08:10.40 | babilen | den-mds: Seek testing/unstable support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (cf. /topic), configure <tum> and pull it from unstable -- /msg dpkg tum |
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| 08:10.57 | Artej | where do I pastebin here? |
| 08:11.06 | babilen | You can't, IMHO, run a testing-only system at this point in the release cycle. Well, you can, but it is not a great idea. |
| 08:11.10 | babilen | Artej: http://paste.debian.net |
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| 08:11.38 | Artej | http://paste.debian.net/111570/ what have I done wrong? |
| 08:11.47 | SirLagz | babilen: bad idea to run a testing only system ? uh oh... |
| 08:11.50 | Artej | this xorg.conf doesn't add modeline :/ |
| 08:12.35 | Faryshta | tralala, babilen i did the commands and got many .deb files but also got a lot of errors because my drive ran out of space |
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| 08:13.26 | den-mds | babilen: thanks i forgot about #debian-next. is testing a thing to worry about? im actuall tying to debug an arch install |
| 08:13.38 | babilen | SirLagz: That is my opinion. Primarily motivated by the following: 1. At this point in the release cycle packages transition from unstable to testing anyway 2. Packages are being removed from testing whenever necessary 3. Transitions from unstable to testing might render packages uninstallable 4. There isn't really any security support for testing and you will want to grab updated packages from unstable |
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| 08:14.12 | SirLagz | babilen: right. thanks ! i might be moving some boxes off testing then ! |
| 08:14.21 | babilen | SirLagz: Adding unstable (and setting the default release) simply allows package management tools to come up with more sensible solutions. (it is your responsibility to grab packages with security related upgrades though) |
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| 08:16.01 | babilen | SirLagz: Well, it is fine to keep them on testing. A very good idea in fact if you value a usable system, but testing was never meant (and is still not) to be used by users and, frankly, we don't really give a shit if it works *all the time*. We care about the best way to use testing to cut a release from at one point in the future. Running <tum> gets around most of testing's idiosyncrasies (no security support, package removals, transitions, ...) |
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| 08:16.54 | SirLagz | babilen: I see. Thanks for the advice ! |
| 08:17.01 | babilen | den-mds: No, testing is nothing to worry about, but it is what it is: A tool that was created for easing the preparation of the next stable release. Debian cares about stable releases. |
| 08:17.56 | Faryshta | babilen, tralala same error as before. error 8001 reading section |
| 08:17.59 | babilen | SirLagz: I should mention once again that this is my personal opinion and not something all people would agree on let alone sime official position |
| 08:18.04 | Faryshta | this time i followed every instruction |
| 08:18.07 | babilen | Faryshta: yay! :( |
| 08:18.18 | SirLagz | babilen: no problems, I understand that :) |
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| 08:18.56 | babilen | Faryshta: Hmm, do you have another stick you could try? |
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| 08:19.36 | Faryshta | babilen, no, i don't have any, and i am also using an usb hub, dunno if that amakes things better or worst |
| 08:20.01 | babilen | It almost certainly makes it worse |
| 08:20.07 | babilen | Can you plug it in directly? |
| 08:20.34 | jmcnaught | maybe the firmware iso? |
| 08:20.39 | babilen | And just to make sure, the error should be "error 8001 reading sector" (i.e. s/section/sector) |
| 08:20.50 | Faryshta | babilen, then i lose the keyboard and can't pass the install options menu |
| 08:21.00 | babilen | jmcnaught: It sounds more like some USB fuckup |
| 08:21.11 | babilen | Faryshta: That is also suboptimal, yes |
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| 08:21.36 | jmcnaught | babilen: oh maybe i missed some parts, i thought the problem was still getting the firmwares on the stick |
| 08:21.37 | Faryshta | babilen, yes it says sector and the tablet has only one usb |
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| 08:21.47 | babilen | Faryshta: Well, could you *try* booting it without the hub? It might not be optimal (or even usable without a keyboard) but we would know if it is the hub. |
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| 08:22.26 | babilen | jmcnaught: No, Faryshta followed the instructions perfectly now and gets a "error 8001 reading sector" during the boot (indicating some i/o error on the usb) |
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| 08:22.56 | babilen | Faryshta: What is the *exact* error message you get btw? |
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| 08:23.29 | Faryshta | babilen, i get to the part where it shows me the debian boot options 'install', 'graphic install', 'advanced options' |
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| 08:23.49 | Faryshta | and then i can't pass that without keyboard |
| 08:23.57 | Faryshta | babilen, using hub i get to the same part |
| 08:24.07 | Faryshta | then i push enter with the keyboard to install |
| 08:24.17 | Faryshta | and it shows the 8001 error |
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| 08:24.54 | babilen | Faryshta: Doesn't it boot the install eventually? |
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| 08:25.19 | babilen | Faryshta: Yes, what is "the 8001 error" exactly? |
| 08:25.24 | babilen | Which sector? |
| 08:25.25 | Faryshta | babilen, i left it there till i got the same error twice, i can let it longer. |
| 08:25.44 | Faryshta | babilen, let me do it again with the hub and will transcribe the error |
| 08:25.48 | Viderizer | uhh, how does the motd work in debian jessie, what scripts handle it? |
| 08:25.57 | babilen | No, plug it directly in and then boot it without the hub. I want to know if the hub is causing these problems or if it might be the stick itself. |
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| 08:26.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell Viderizer about motd |
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| 08:26.49 | babilen | Viderizer: And you want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (cf. /topic) for testing help |
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| 08:27.56 | Viderizer | I'd assume motd is the same on wheezy as on jessie |
| 08:28.55 | Faryshta | babilen, without the hub i can't pass the boot options because i need to hit 'enter' |
| 08:29.05 | babilen | And it doesn't boot eventually? |
| 08:29.09 | Faryshta | so i don't even get to the part of actually booting and getting the error 8001 |
| 08:29.14 | babilen | shit |
| 08:30.07 | babilen | USB hubs are quite often introducing all sorts of problems .. but you installed other distributions (Ubuntu) from USB before, haven't you? |
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| 08:30.55 | Faryshta | babilen, no i haven't. i tried but couldn't get it to boot either. the error is |
| 08:31.21 | Faryshta | CHS: Error 8001 reading sector 52904 |
| 08:31.26 | Faryshta | CHS: Error 8001 reading sector 529040 |
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| 08:32.21 | Viderizer | babilen: how could I move the last login before anything else? |
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| 08:34.27 | Faryshta | babilen, got the error three times already, hasn't boot yet |
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| 08:40.51 | Faryshta | tralala, babilen what should i do now? |
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| 08:42.25 | babilen | Faryshta: Well, which OS do you have on it right now? |
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| 08:42.39 | babilen | Viderizer: Let me take a look |
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| 08:44.13 | babilen | Viderizer: I don't see any call to "last" in my standard configuration |
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| 08:46.38 | babilen | Viderizer: Could you paste your /etc/init.d/motd to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 08:46.50 | Viderizer | my default motd is uname -> gnu/linux no warranty blahblah -> last login at xxx from yyy |
| 08:46.53 | Viderizer | just a second |
| 08:48.09 | babilen | Viderizer: Are you referring to logins via SSH? |
| 08:48.17 | Viderizer | babilen: yes |
| 08:48.35 | babilen | That's not handled by motd, but by SSH. See "PrintlastLog" |
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| 08:52.31 | surfer77 | #channelStarter_supporters |
| 08:52.33 | surfer77 | You want to start a new Channel with more than 3 people?! no problem we're getting on it for free, so that you got it made! |
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| 08:56.11 | utente | hello. i did a dd to saturate the partition with 0: dd if=/dev/zero of=foo. when finisced, i get input output error. i reboot with a "live cd" and gone to delete the foo file, but it is set as 0 sixe (it should be at least 3.3G) and is marker as ?foo. all data ralated owner, groul, date of cretino, etc is marked as ???. how to fix? how to cancel it? |
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| 08:57.38 | heurist | utente: rm \?foo maybe |
| 08:57.41 | babilen | Faryshta: I'd really like to help you, but other things to try depend on the OS you have on that box |
| 08:58.37 | utente | heurist, i try |
| 08:58.46 | petern_ | To 'saturate' a partition, you wrote to a file? |
| 08:59.04 | utente | heurist, no success. |
| 08:59.27 | heurist | utente: paste output of ls |
| 09:00.17 | utente | petern_, yes, so all "gost file" are avrervritted, so in can do a copy of partitio (for backup pourpose) and zip it ti reduce to minimum size: to fill wit a file full of "0" and after deletre it is a fast way tu get a mimimizer compressed file. |
| 09:00.45 | utente | heurist, wait, the pc is ont on line |
| 09:01.18 | heurist | utente: also io error is expected when you run out of space. |
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| 09:03.54 | utente | here is the part of ls: the bad boy is file "pippo". drwxr-wx-r-xrootroot1.0Kott 222013opt |
| 09:03.55 | utente | -????????? ? ? ? ? pippo |
| 09:03.55 | utente | drwr-wx-r-xrootroot1.0Kgen 100:00proc |
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| 09:04.37 | utente | heurist, error of i/o was expected, but not the problem after it. always i did dd and the delere file after, fisti time i get this error. |
| 09:05.10 | utente | seems a problem in filesystem |
| 09:05.46 | utente | i try to do e2fsck on partition |
| 09:06.09 | heurist | utente: it does look like something is wrong with your filesystem. Try tab completion to get the filename for rm. fsck is a good idea. |
| 09:06.30 | utente | i am duing fsck. |
| 09:06.37 | utente | alo to f error came out :-/ |
| 09:07.42 | utente | ok, fsck fix all the proble,ms. thanks all, guys. |
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| 09:12.36 | sine0 | i have access to a computer behind a router via ssh |
| 09:13.03 | sine0 | how can i access the router 192.168.1.1 coming from that shell, but actually from remote |
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| 09:17.51 | brontosaurusrex | sine0, lynx 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 09:18.37 | sine0 | i tried w3m but it could not make the connection |
| 09:19.35 | heurist | sine0: what is the router? |
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| 09:20.46 | sine0 | tplink |
| 09:20.58 | sine0 | i can access it normally when im at home |
| 09:21.08 | sine0 | i think its just the w3m browser |
| 09:21.13 | sine0 | i might install lynx |
| 09:21.15 | heurist | sine0: is there a web interface running on it? what port does that interface use? |
| 09:21.25 | sine0 | yes web interface |
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| 09:21.42 | sine0 | the thing is i want to access the web browser TO open more ports for access |
| 09:21.55 | sine0 | im using windows pc with putty atm |
| 09:22.07 | heurist | what does w3m say? if it needs js you may be out of luck with a console browser. |
| 09:22.30 | sine0 | can i do some proxy or tunnel thing with putty and access it normally here |
| 09:22.53 | sine0 | it says opening socket but thenjust hangs |
| 09:22.54 | heurist | sine0: yes, you can look for "port forwading" in the putty settings. |
| 09:23.31 | heurist | sine0: what is the url you use from home? https maybe? another port maybe? |
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| 09:23.42 | sine0 | 192.168.1.1 when at home |
| 09:24.14 | brontosaurusrex | probably a js issue then |
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| 09:25.27 | heurist | sine0: google putty port forward http there are a few good instructions in the first few hits (from a casual glance) |
| 09:27.01 | day | what has putty to do with the forwarding? |
| 09:27.19 | heurist | day: putty does port forwading |
| 09:27.22 | day | isnt it the router that should forward the ports, while putty shouldnt even notice it? |
| 09:27.46 | heurist | day: ssh can do that for you too, it is a swiss army knife |
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| 09:30.09 | SynrGy | day: while every new port forward opened on a router is a new hole an attacker may try to exploit, the ssh port forwards are encrypted and only available to the user of ssh. so ssh port forwards are quite useful. |
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| 09:30.33 | petern_ | day, putty is tunnelling, rather than forwarding. |
| 09:30.49 | SynrGy | nods |
| 09:31.16 | heurist | but putty calls it forwarding, under the tunneling menu, so googling for that is better. |
| 09:32.05 | petern_ | Yeah true. |
| 09:32.09 | peetaur2 | ssh tunnels are especially nice when you want to connect to something with swiss cheese security, like vnc or some php admin page |
| 09:32.24 | waqstar | What is the best way to migrate to new hardware, taking all data etc. |
| 09:32.27 | SynrGy | without the hassle of setting up a full vpn |
| 09:33.05 | petern_ | My ipsec vpn is failing at the moment :( |
| 09:33.16 | peetaur2 | waqstar: here's my howto for that http://pastebin.com/4NLFkdzQ |
| 09:33.20 | day | i currently connect to my server via ssh. the router simply forwards everything from port x to pc x/portx |
| 09:33.59 | SynrGy | day: yeah. but that's the ssh port only, distinct from tunnelling additional ports over the ssh session |
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| 09:34.41 | heurist | day: check man ssh, see -D -L and -R, you may gain some use from them. |
| 09:34.43 | SynrGy | day: have a look at the ssh man page, -L (most commonly used) and -R options. |
| 09:34.45 | day | SynrGy: ah ok. you mean i tunnel multiple ports through port x. then resolv them on the target machine into multiple ports? |
| 09:35.13 | SynrGy | ah, and -D is new to me :) |
| 09:35.15 | day | never needed that. but then agian, the ssh connection is the only thing the server does |
| 09:35.15 | SynrGy | reads up on it |
| 09:35.35 | heurist | SynrGy: -D is pretty much a socks proxy |
| 09:35.40 | SynrGy | day: yep. i use this on 'hostile' cafe networks to access stuff at home |
| 09:36.24 | day | SynrGy: how is it more save than a simple ssh connection? |
| 09:36.32 | day | safe* |
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| 09:36.42 | day | safer* |
| 09:36.43 | heurist | day: you can send your web traffic though it. |
| 09:36.46 | waqstar | peetaur2, thanks, does it matter if the machine is current a KVM VM being transfered to a openvz container? |
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| 09:36.59 | grewt | Hi; just got a clean base install, and trying to figure out how to determine what the current console resolution is |
| 09:37.06 | SynrGy | day: safer? it's just ... different. different result ... |
| 09:37.23 | SynrGy | day: gives me access to services at home that otherwise wouldn't be accessible at all |
| 09:37.33 | peetaur2 | waqstar: not sure ... maybe the bootloader steps are different for openvz. I don't really know openvz. Does it use grub installed on a block device? I kinda doubt it since it shares the kernel. |
| 09:37.39 | day | my bad. i thought with accessing your homepc you mean accessing it via ssh anyways.. |
| 09:37.51 | day | i didnt think of other ways to access it :X |
| 09:38.14 | peetaur2 | waqstar: also you might find a more specific howto for going from kvm to openvz somewhere |
| 09:38.25 | SynrGy | let's say i 'ssh -L6310:localhost:631 remote' and point my web browser at http://localhost:6310/, then bam, i have access to the web interface of cups at 'remote' |
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| 09:39.02 | heurist | SynrGy: still have to walk there to pick up the printing though. |
| 09:39.08 | SynrGy | :) |
| 09:39.12 | SynrGy | heurist: i do have a family ... |
| 09:39.20 | SynrGy | i'm on call for their issues |
| 09:39.24 | heurist | SynrGy: ah, yes, slaves. |
| 09:39.27 | SynrGy | :) |
| 09:39.35 | SynrGy | heurist: no, i think you have it backwards ;) |
| 09:39.46 | heurist | SynrGy: mutual slaves? |
| 09:39.51 | SynrGy | something like this, yes :) |
| 09:40.00 | heurist | SynrGy: sounds like family. |
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| 09:45.18 | kakarote | given that i use currently debian wheezy and that i want to update it to jessie, does replacing 'wheezy' by 'jessie' in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ then running sudo apt-get update suffice ? |
| 09:45.45 | SynrGy | no |
| 09:45.52 | nkuttler | !tell kakarote about wheezy->jessie |
| 09:46.07 | kakarote | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 09:46.41 | SynrGy | kakarote: also, have you tried stable+backports first? what do you need that's more recent from jessie? |
| 09:47.46 | kakarote | SynrGy: basically gaming, some games does require stuff from jessie, and especiall the Steam gaming client |
| 09:47.56 | kakarote | especially* |
| 09:48.01 | SynrGy | read http://deb.li/sidfaq so you know what you're getting into. and see #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net for support |
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| 09:48.16 | kakarote | SynrGy: Thanks sir. |
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| 09:48.28 | petn-randall | kakarote: I see. Remember though that jessie is a lot less mature and still work-in-progress compared to wheezy. |
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| 09:49.06 | petn-randall | kakarote: You will encounter a lot more bugs, and will have to ask for support on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net if you do that. |
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| 09:52.29 | kakarote | petn-randall: true, i have win7 in dual boot for my gaming stuff anyway, but meh, i want to stick with linux forever |
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| 09:56.39 | fUNKIAM` | happy sysadmin day lads! |
| 09:57.18 | waqstar | thanks peetaur2 |
| 09:57.38 | fUNKIAM` | https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7s19YVnKsQk/U9G2s9yxTMI/AAAAAAAAGxE/lJBfeSntlPc/w720-h540-no/Slide1.jpg |
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| 09:59.31 | ochiottes | hi |
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| 10:00.29 | ochiottes | is having so many split up conf files for dovecot a debian specific thing? |
| 10:01.44 | babilen | ochiottes: Debian typically splits configuration files, but a bunch of packages ask you if you want to do that (when running dpkg-reconfigure FOO-config). Haven't checked for dovecot as I'm happy with that way |
| 10:01.59 | formorer | ochiottes: no. |
| 10:02.07 | jelly-home | ochiottes: it's an upstream thing with dovecot |
| 10:02.10 | kakarote | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.11 | formorer | the layout is from upstream |
| 10:02.25 | heurist | ochiottes: the dovecot wiki speaks about split config, so not debian exclusive. http://wiki2.dovecot.org/QuickConfiguration |
| 10:02.48 | jelly-home | puts almost all overrides into a /etc/dovecot/local.conf and does not touch the .d/* files |
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| 10:02.54 | ochiottes | i see. most documentation still refers to one dovecot.conf |
| 10:03.06 | formorer | ochiottes: http://paste.debian.net/111588/# |
| 10:03.11 | jelly-home | ochiottes: you're looking at the wrong documentation, then |
| 10:03.24 | ochiottes | wiki2.dovecot.org |
| 10:03.28 | formorer | verify that you are in wiki2 |
| 10:03.28 | peetaur2 | waqstar: no prob |
| 10:04.05 | jelly-home | ochiottes: which file on wiki2 talks about putting things into a single dovecot.conf? |
| 10:04.16 | jelly-home | (it probably needs to be fixed) |
| 10:05.11 | ochiottes | jelly-home: i can't search for these pages now |
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| 10:09.18 | ochiottes | the doc files under dovecot/wiki also don't mention the specific conf files |
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| 10:11.18 | ochiottes | I'll look into putting it all in local.conf. thanks for the hint |
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| 10:13.22 | kakarote | isn't libgl1-fglrx-glx:i386 package the so-called proprietary fglrx itself? or a better compatible version with linux ? |
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| 10:21.53 | taylanub | how can I list the (recursive) dependencies of a package in machine-processable format? |
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| 10:24.13 | Nik05 | apt-rdepends ? |
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| 10:25.24 | SynrGy | not easily machine parsable :p |
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| 10:26.11 | Nik05 | SynrGy why not? |
| 10:26.34 | taylanub | can I do this without installing YET another apt-blah? |
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| 10:27.32 | SynrGy | Nik05: it just would've been nice if it output things in a standard format is all |
| 10:27.42 | SynrGy | as it is you need to write a custom parser |
| 10:27.42 | Nik05 | taylanub aptitude install apt-rdepends ? |
| 10:27.55 | taylanub | Nik05: is that supposed to be a "no"? |
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| 10:28.07 | Nik05 | its a yes, its not a apt-bla |
| 10:28.22 | Nik05 | you can also do apt install, also not apt-blah |
| 10:28.34 | kakarote | done! http://i.imgur.com/YTX7zY6.png |
| 10:28.42 | taylanub | ... |
| 10:28.58 | Nik05 | or you can use wget and dpkg -i |
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| 10:29.27 | taylanub | Nik05: I asked you whether I can do it without installing an extra package, you gave me two ways to install an extra package :) |
| 10:29.58 | eristisk | My local Wifi router is rewriting my resolv.conf constantly with crappy DNS servers I don't want to use. When I edit resolv.conf to specify the servers I want, a few minutes later it rewrites again to the crappy IP addies |
| 10:30.16 | Nik05 | oh sorry read it wrong :) but whats the problem with it? |
| 10:30.22 | eristisk | I tried editing /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf to add "nohook resolv.conf" |
| 10:30.26 | eristisk | but that did not work |
| 10:30.30 | SynrGy | taylanub: no, i don't think you can. apt-cache depends and rdepends are not recursive. |
| 10:30.37 | bezaban | eristisk: edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and remove 'domain-name-servers' from request |
| 10:30.47 | SynrGy | taylanub: hence the existence of a separate tool, apt-rdepends |
| 10:30.51 | bezaban | you can also supercede DNS settings there or in network manager |
| 10:31.03 | taylanub | SynrGy: huh, apt-cache rdepends is not recursive? I thought the problem is just that it just can't output machine readable format |
| 10:31.07 | eristisk | bezaban: I am running Wicd, not nm |
| 10:31.23 | eristisk | But I just deleted that... now I need to restart dhcp client? |
| 10:31.44 | sine0 | how do i purge php5 after doing apt-get install php5 libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 10:32.09 | bezaban | aye, but that will of course never get you any DNS servers which can be a problem if you are behind a captive portal or the likes that doesn't allow dns traffic until authenticated |
| 10:32.13 | sine0 | im new to linux and sure how i remove packages |
| 10:32.21 | sine0 | not* |
| 10:32.42 | svetlana | use synaptic |
| 10:32.44 | SynrGy | taylanub: oh. there is a --recurse option i didn't notice |
| 10:32.50 | sine0 | im command line onlyu |
| 10:32.59 | svetlana | or since you're using apt-get: apt-get remove |
| 10:33.03 | taylanub | sine0: it depends on your distro. on Debian there seem to be 3-4 ways to install and remove packages |
| 10:33.31 | sine0 | ill do the same command but with remove, yes ? |
| 10:33.48 | SynrGy | taylanub: holy crap, this is useless ... |
| 10:33.49 | SynrGy | $ apt-cache --recurse rdepends network-manager | wc -l |
| 10:33.50 | SynrGy | 625785 |
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| 10:35.47 | taylanub | that's because it repeats a crapload of stuff and isn't in machine-readable format |
| 10:36.10 | SynrGy | taylanub: i believe the main difference is by default 'apt-rdepends -r' only shows Depends and by default 'apt-cache rdepends' shows all kinds of deps (including Suggests, Conflicts, yada yada) |
| 10:37.03 | SynrGy | and 'apt-cache rdepends' is not recursive by default |
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| 10:37.49 | Hijaynx | I need some help uninstalling vmware from my computer and I keep getting these errors would someone be able to help me? |
| 10:38.19 | SynrGy | taylanub: the '-r' description in apt-rdepends man page looks like it only goes back one level to dependers of dependers. |
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| 10:40.09 | SynrGy | $ apt-cache --no-suggests --no-conflicts --no-breaks --no-replaces --no-enhances --recurse rdepends network-manager | wc -l |
| 10:40.12 | SynrGy | 492 |
| 10:40.13 | SynrGy | slightly more useful :) |
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| 10:42.03 | SynrGy | taylanub: a parser could be written for this. it just won't be fun. :p |
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| 10:43.19 | jackburke | oops thought i was in #php |
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| 11:33.06 | elichai2 | brontosaurusrex: i want a terminal that i have right click menu |
| 11:33.23 | brontosaurusrex | elichai2, terminator |
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| 11:34.10 | petern_ | xterm |
| 11:34.22 | elichai2 | i'll try |
| 11:36.00 | elichai2 | now i use LXTerminal, and it's kind of good but it's miss some features like autorun command on startup(want to use byobu) and not RTL support |
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| 11:37.06 | rook2pawn | i want to install alx as described in wiki.debian.org/alx but my laptop isn't connected to the network |
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| 11:37.50 | elichai2 | brontosaurusrex: Terminator uses gnome... |
| 11:38.02 | rook2pawn | it says i simply need to add backports and use the backports kernel... isn't this what ubuntu is? |
| 11:38.45 | petern_ | No, it's backported packages for wheezy. |
| 11:39.25 | brontosaurusrex | elichai2, you mean gtk |
| 11:40.08 | rook2pawn | it says aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 11:40.10 | elichai2 | yes (and some gnome packages) |
| 11:40.17 | elichai2 | i have no gtk\kde |
| 11:40.18 | rook2pawn | and boot with the new kernel |
| 11:40.59 | rook2pawn | how is one supposed to build the network driver when it requires a network is what i dont get |
| 11:41.13 | elichai2 | *gnome/kde/lxda/xfde |
| 11:41.15 | petern_ | Use a different network interface. |
| 11:41.27 | rook2pawn | both of my network interfaces are in backports |
| 11:41.50 | rook2pawn | and they need the "wheezy-backports" linux-image kernel |
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| 11:42.49 | brontosaurusrex | elichai2, sakura maybe |
| 11:43.14 | elichai2 | i'll try... |
| 11:43.35 | elichai2 | i installed gnome-terminal (only 2 deps and 10MB) and i can't write in it for some reason |
| 11:44.01 | Brigo | rook2pawn, your hardware is too new for wheezy. You can download the kernel in other machine, and use an usb stick to tranport it to this one. |
| 11:45.13 | rook2pawn | Brigo: where can i download this kernel? |
| 11:45.34 | abrotman | misses the kmuto images .. |
| 11:45.44 | rook2pawn | it also says to add backports to my sources.list and run aptitude update, so i will miss this entire step |
| 11:45.56 | rook2pawn | unless i can find a way to predownload this part as well |
| 11:46.14 | Brigo | rook2pawn, to get easily the sources add --print-uris to apt-get command. In this case: apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r` -t backports --print-uris |
| 11:46.54 | Brigo | rook2pawn, and for other linux (for example) you can download it with wget <the output of the command> |
| 11:47.16 | rook2pawn | "the value 'backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release |
| 11:47.31 | rook2pawn | as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 11:48.09 | petern_ | Probably easiest to get a cheap & cheerful USB network card. |
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| 11:48.20 | Brigo | rook2pawn, come on, from your links: wheezy-backports |
| 11:48.26 | petern_ | Got an old 10baseT lying around that I use for such purposes. |
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| 11:48.34 | petern_ | Brigo, he can't add that because he has not network connection. |
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| 11:48.52 | Brigo | mmm he can no update, yes |
| 11:49.05 | abrotman | ... |
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| 11:49.26 | abrotman | rook2pawn: does your interface simply require firmware, or a newer kernel also ? |
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| 11:49.56 | abrotman | rook2pawn: if you 'lspci -nn | grep -i net' .. can you tell us the PCIID from the end of the line for your network device? |
| 11:49.56 | foomanns | hi |
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| 11:50.54 | rook2pawn | ethernet: atheros [1969:10a0] (rev 10) which after some googling was the QCA8172 |
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| 11:51.18 | rook2pawn | which is specified in wiki.debian.org/alx |
| 11:51.23 | Brigo | rook2pawn, i do it for you: http://paste.debian.net/111598/ |
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| 11:52.04 | Brigo | rook2pawn, do you see the three links at the end with their MD5SUM? |
| 11:52.08 | rook2pawn | yea |
| 11:52.42 | Brigo | rook2pawn, that is what you have to download from other machine and carry to this one |
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| 11:55.19 | rook2pawn | Okay, got all 3 .deb files |
| 11:55.41 | rook2pawn | just dpkg -i each one on the new machine? |
| 11:56.03 | Brigo | rook2pawn, yes |
| 11:56.15 | foomanns | can I execute a udev rule only for a uuid? |
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| 11:57.02 | Brigo | rook2pawn, better dpkg -i alltogether. (two of them are dependencies) |
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| 12:01.08 | rook2pawn | okay, did that.. do i reboot and it should just work? |
| 12:01.59 | Brigo | rook2pawn, with a bit of luck :) |
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| 12:04.22 | rook2pawn | omg |
| 12:04.24 | rook2pawn | it worked |
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| 12:04.38 | Brigo | rook2pawn, we are good ;) |
| 12:05.30 | rook2pawn | should i immediately add wheezy-backports to my sources now and do an update? |
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| 12:07.18 | Brigo | rook2pawn, i think yes, but wheezy-backports is only for install new package backporting from SID to wheezy, so if you do not need them it will be useless, but of course, harmless |
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| 12:10.15 | taylanub | how come "aptitude search" returns zero packages for ~Prequired and ~Pimportant, only 4 for ~Pstandard (which don't look very standard), zero for ~Poptional, and 18 for ~Pextra? is my system OK? |
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| 12:11.07 | taylanub | otherwise I can list packages just fine |
| 12:12.55 | taylanub | ugh, nevermind, it's ~p not ~P it seems |
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| 12:22.02 | abrotman | Brigo: no, you're wrong again .. |
| 12:22.27 | Brigo | abrotman, and about what now? :) |
| 12:22.40 | abrotman | where backports come from |
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| 12:23.03 | Brigo | not from sid? |
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| 12:24.45 | Nephro | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ -- which of these files I need for a USB install and how do I set them up on the flash drive? |
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| 12:27.22 | Brigo | Nephro, if you want to install debian, download images from debian.org |
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| 12:27.43 | Nephro | Brigo, this is where debian.org forwarded me to |
| 12:27.53 | Brigo | Nephro, https://www.debian.org/CD/ There is an install guide too. |
| 12:28.14 | Brigo | Nephro, what are you trying to install, wheezy? |
| 12:28.44 | Nephro | The latest one, aye |
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| 12:28.55 | brontosaurusrex | Nephro, https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
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| 12:30.20 | brontosaurusrex | Nephro, if you allready have some nix running use dd method for usb, otherise i dunno |
| 12:30.26 | brontosaurusrex | otherwise* |
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| 12:31.16 | frostschutz | Nephro, do you already have grub or something on your flash drive (like for a multi-boot stick), then you could use linux initrd, otherwise just dump the iso to usb |
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| 12:31.42 | Nephro | alright, cheers |
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| 12:44.17 | taylanub | apparently the 'laptop' task recomends 'bluetooth', which includes bluez-cups and thus cups. I removed 'bluetooth' then did an autoremove which removed bluez-cups but cups is still there and 'aptitude why cups' still says it's due to laptop->bluetooth->bluez-cups |
| 12:47.30 | taylanub | uh, the state fields of the bluetooth package now say "pi" meaning "not installed, but will be installed" .. why is it marked as "will be installed" when I just explicitly removed it? (does my remove action not override its "recommended" status?) |
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| 12:48.57 | taylanub | aha, I entered aptitude and cancelled pending actions and it fixed. but I certainly did not mark any actions to be done, why did aptitude register actions to be done? |
| 12:49.38 | petn-randall | elichai2: CTRL+ALT+F1 |
| 12:49.56 | petn-randall | best terminal you'll get in a while ;) |
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| 13:02.26 | BluesKaj | 'Morning folks |
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| 13:03.46 | pie_ | i added backports to apt (im on wheezy), and now i have the option to upgrade 60 packages |
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| 13:04.04 | pie_ | is there a way to save the apt state or something so that i can recover in case things break or somehtin |
| 13:04.10 | pie_ | or should this work smoothly? |
| 13:04.17 | dioz | you using lvm2 ? |
| 13:04.20 | jhutchins | pie_: Not really, other than a "snapshot" backup. |
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| 13:04.31 | dioz | or zfs i guess (ew) |
| 13:04.38 | pie_ | no |
| 13:04.42 | dioz | sux2bu |
| 13:04.44 | sandman13 | pie_: don't do it |
| 13:04.46 | pie_ | k |
| 13:04.50 | jhutchins | pie_: You shouldn't be getting anything from backports that you don't explicitly request, except possibly dependencies of something you requested. |
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| 13:05.10 | pie_ | so should i remove backports to be able to apt-get update?M |
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| 13:05.38 | jhutchins | pie_: If you think you are, remove or comment out backports, apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade and see if maybe those were all going to be upgraded anyway. |
| 13:05.52 | sandman13 | pie_: if you want few packages like newer Kernel and VLC then you should keep it else you can remove it |
| 13:05.55 | jhutchins | pie_: You should also be able to tell by the package name whether it's actually from backports or not. |
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| 13:06.07 | sandman13 | or comment out as jhutchins said |
| 13:06.20 | pie_ | well its stuff like libc and such to start with |
| 13:07.36 | pie_ | then again nevermind thats not necessarily relevant |
| 13:08.12 | petn-randall | pie_: Something's configured wrong on your system. On a default wheezy system it should pin wheezy-backports with a lower priority, so you'd have to pick any updates to wheezy-backports by hand. |
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| 13:08.31 | dioz | according to a work documentation if we have people who want to connect a router to our CPE we need to give them a 176.16.1.0/24 ip address |
| 13:08.40 | dioz | so i ask why we're using public ip space for LAN addressing |
| 13:08.41 | pie_ | i just realized i may have just accumulated a lot of updates |
| 13:08.47 | dioz | they looked at me like i was crazy |
| 13:08.56 | dioz | sad thing is i work at a service provider |
| 13:09.02 | pie_ | dioz: :( |
| 13:09.12 | jhutchins | petn-randall: You're assuming all of the updates are from backports. They're probably not. |
| 13:09.15 | sandman13 | petn-randall: few things have higher priority AFAIK Kernel and Mozilla Updates are few |
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| 13:09.40 | petn-randall | jhutchins: point taken. |
| 13:09.40 | jhutchins | sandman13: Incorrect. |
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| 13:09.50 | BluesKaj | so what's the skinny on apt-get vs aptitude on debian , there seems to be a different attitude about aptitude on debian than 'buntu, aptitude being superior at resolving debian dependencies, Is this the case? |
| 13:09.54 | lucido | where do I find the documentation for /sys/bus/usb/devices/7-2/power/ |
| 13:09.55 | jhutchins | sandman13: ALL backports have lower priority. |
| 13:10.06 | lucido | I'm looking for the meaning of the numbers in the files |
| 13:10.07 | jhutchins | !why aptitude |
| 13:10.07 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 13:10.12 | sandman13 | jhutchins: o.O |
| 13:10.19 | pie_ | after commenting out backports and running apt-get update they were still there, so yeah just thought-process-error :) |
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| 13:10.48 | jhutchins | pie_: Backports usually (allways?) have "bpo" in the version string. |
| 13:10.51 | sandman13 | jhutchins: I am using backported kernel and I do get upgrades to it when I run dist-upgrade |
| 13:10.59 | pie_ | jhutchins: thats nice to know |
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| 13:11.17 | pie_ | sandman13: probably because you have a backported kernel? |
| 13:11.18 | jhutchins | sandman13: Right, because you already specifically requested it, it will now update from backports. |
| 13:11.41 | jhutchins | sandman13: That initial request moves the priority for that specific package. |
| 13:11.42 | sandman13 | jhutchins: oh I missed something earlier |
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| 13:12.19 | sandman13 | jhutchins: I forgot to mention "once you have installed some packages" |
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| 13:13.03 | BluesKaj | jhutchins, so is it as capable as apt-get on the 'buntu OSs? |
| 13:13.28 | sandman13 | I was told that if you have to use backports for a distro to get newer softwares then you should switch the distro. The one who told this was running Ubuntu |
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| 13:15.26 | centrx | sandman13, That is an arbitrary and pointless statement |
| 13:15.41 | BluesKaj | jhutchins, the reason I ask is I'm setting up my update/upgrade alias commands in bashrc and I'd like to make sure I'm using the the best package management app for both debian and kubuntu |
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| 13:16.04 | sandman13 | centrx: he stopped once I told him to look at his sources.list |
| 13:16.23 | centrx | sandman13, You could just as easily say, if your distro comes with spy software like Ubuntu, you should switch |
| 13:16.32 | abrotman | ahem .. |
| 13:17.07 | jhutchins | BluesKaj: As far as I know, apt-get is pretty much the same on both distros, Aptitude is available on Ubuntu and has features like a menu interface and better dependency resolution. |
| 13:17.19 | heurist | techhelper1: slabtop |
| 13:17.30 | heurist | techhelper1: sorry, trong channel |
| 13:18.04 | jhutchins | BluesKaj: I'm a relatively recent Debian user (Etch), and I've always used aptitude by default. |
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| 13:19.50 | BluesKaj | jhutchins, ok , because I thought this debate was overa few yrs ago when some advanced users were claiming that apt-get had caught up to aptitude in terms of dependency resolving etc |
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| 13:20.32 | jhutchins | BluesKaj: There's not much difference, but Aptitude does go a little deeper, which is why it's not recommended for dist-upgrade - dependency loops. |
| 13:20.49 | jhutchins | BluesKaj: They use the same databases and such, so there's no harm in mixing and matching. |
| 13:21.31 | BluesKaj | jhutchins, ok thanks, good to know |
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| 13:24.43 | BluesKaj | jhutchins, yeah , I decided to try debian again after many yrs ..sort of a dejavu thing ":) |
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| 13:35.24 | mntzn | Hi, previously, I used to do alsa force-reload to get my soundcard working, now for whatever reason 'alsa' is gone. what's the replacement? (using jessie) |
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| 13:38.18 | centrx | mntzn, Try #debian-next on OFTC |
| 13:38.31 | mntzn | oftc? |
| 13:38.40 | centrx | mntzn, OFTC is another IRC network, irc.oftc.net |
| 13:38.45 | mntzn | centrx: ty |
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| 13:40.15 | jaami | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.48 | relaxed | jaami: time to reset your password |
| 13:41.03 | jaami | thanks |
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| 13:43.20 | jaami | hmm, had better get rid of jaami |
| 13:43.46 | BluesKaj | some daemon or other keeps spiking my cpu every minute or so...is there an app to figure out what it is ...system monitor doesn't show it in the process long enough to track it down. |
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| 13:45.32 | jaami | i cannot format my usb memory , why always see input output error? |
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| 13:46.56 | petn-randall | BluesKaj: How do you know something's spiking your CPU? |
| 13:47.42 | jaami | exact error msg is Error starting job: Failed to execute child process "udisks-helper-mkfs" (Input/output error) |
| 13:48.40 | Brigo | jaakkos, how are you doing it? |
| 13:48.48 | Brigo | jaami, how are you doing it? |
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| 13:49.27 | heurist | jaami: udisks is trying to fiddle with the disk, unmount it first and maybe kill udisk stuff. |
| 13:49.31 | BluesKaj | petn-randall, system monitor>system load shows the spike, and i hear my hdd spin up for a sec or what sounds like an hdd spin up ...could be the fan, but it's annoying |
| 13:50.44 | jaami | let me try to kill udisk |
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| 13:51.19 | heurist | BluesKaj: have you tried top, htop, or atop ? |
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| 13:52.03 | jaami | oh thanks, thats what i was looking for |
| 13:53.13 | petn-randall | BluesKaj: CPU usage is unrelated to HDD usage ... |
| 13:53.39 | petn-randall | BluesKaj: Try running htop and see what it shows (or what heurist said). |
| 13:54.08 | heurist | BluesKaj: atop will give you hdd usage as well. |
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| 13:55.26 | jaami | heurist, the list had only usb-storage that i killed then used disk utility to format without mounting the usb but got same error again |
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| 13:57.03 | jaami | it is my micro sd card that i took from my mobile and used an adapter to attach it with my laptop usb port. |
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| 13:57.50 | jaami | i think i should put the card in mobile and format from there |
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| 13:58.39 | Brigo | jaami, if you do not mount (or automount) the sd card i cannot see why udev could complain of anything. |
| 13:59.04 | heurist | Brigo: jaami: udisk is not udev. |
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| 13:59.21 | Brigo | yes sorry, i mind udisk |
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| 14:00.04 | Brigo | i meant udisk |
| 14:01.07 | jhutchins | BluesKaj: Could be logging that's spinning up the HD periodically. |
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| 14:01.18 | jaami | formated sd card from mobile |
| 14:01.36 | jaami | let me try again to format from debian |
| 14:02.25 | Brigo | jaami, how are you trying to format it? |
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| 14:03.25 | jaami | Brigo, i am using disk utility and also used mkfs in terminal but both faile |
| 14:03.29 | jaami | failed** |
| 14:03.57 | jaami | and again, it failed. look like debian cant format sd-cards |
| 14:04.01 | jhutchins | jaami: Were you root in terminal? |
| 14:04.06 | Brigo | can you paste the command and its ouput? |
| 14:04.14 | jaami | yes, the red terminal |
| 14:04.30 | jhutchins | red terminal... |
| 14:04.56 | phix | Hi, I have a Windows running in libvirt KVM, however i cannot access the network. The drivers are installed in windows (virtio), I am using bridge mode (the bridge br0 exists), I have ip_forward set to 1 and I dont have any firewalls rules (everthing is accept). Anything else I should check? Do I need to create a physical interface ? it is currently set to vethRmcO3n and using br0 |
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| 14:05.46 | jaami | here is the mkfs command i used root@debian:/home/user# mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdd |
| 14:05.53 | phix | (Host is running dedbian wheezy and using libvirt from the repo) |
| 14:05.54 | Brigo | phix, when you say 'i cannot access the network' what are you trying to say? internet? |
| 14:06.08 | jaami | and here is the error from mkfs bash: /sbin/mkfs: Input/output error |
| 14:06.27 | phix | Brigo: I am trying to say that DHCP isn't working on the guest, it isn't getting an IP address. The DHCP server is set to run on br0. |
| 14:06.40 | Brigo | jaami, can you paste the output of dmesg in paste.debian.net? |
| 14:07.04 | jaami | jhutchins, the terminal with root access on a live usb has red background |
| 14:07.10 | Brigo | Phix did you try to ping it? |
| 14:07.27 | Brigo | jaami are you using a live usb??? |
| 14:07.39 | jaami | Brigo, please type command for me, i will paste result |
| 14:07.42 | lotherk | anyone in here with debian jessie and an iphone 4, ios 7? Can't get it to work either in rhytmbox nor in amarok. I also read the wiki pages, installed everything that it says it's needed. I have to "Trust this computer" everytime I plug the iphone in and amarok gives me a device error (it shows up sometimes, readonly), idevicepair list doesn't show anything, |
| 14:07.50 | Brigo | jaami, dmesg |
| 14:07.59 | jaami | Briq yes using live usb, trying to re install debian |
| 14:08.23 | phix | Brigo: If I set the address statically I can ping, but DHCP isn't working for some reason |
| 14:08.25 | Brigo | lotherk, for jessie support join #debian-next channel on OFTC network |
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| 14:08.55 | phix | Brigo: Since it is bridged I would of thought DHCP would of worked through it |
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| 14:09.14 | Brigo | phix, it should. |
| 14:09.42 | jhutchins | lotherk: dmesg should have some useful info on what is and isn't happening when you connect. |
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| 14:10.00 | Brigo | phix, what dhcp server are you trying to use? |
| 14:10.25 | jaami | Brigo, please see the output of dmesg here http://pastebin.com/7YFEnDx1 |
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| 14:10.38 | jhutchins | jaami: It's possible the live USB doesn't have the right drivers for the smart card reader. dmesg should show what the system thinks is happening when you plug it in. |
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| 14:11.38 | jaami | jhutchins, i assumed everything is fine because i could see files and folders in the card when use file explorer |
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| 14:12.09 | jaami | someone knocking door, brb |
| 14:12.10 | jhutchins | jaami: First off, your live USB image is bad - either a bad device or a bad burn. |
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| 14:12.33 | jhutchins | jaami: Second, I don't think we see an attempt to format in that portion of the log. |
| 14:12.36 | Brigo | jaami, you have to format partitions, no devices try mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdd1 or sdd2 (you have 2 partitions) |
| 14:12.57 | jhutchins | Brigo: USB devices can be unpartitioned if vfat. |
| 14:13.06 | jhutchins | Brigo: I think ext works too. |
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| 14:13.20 | phix | Brigo: isc-dhcp-server running on the host |
| 14:13.24 | Brigo | jhulst, but this is partitioned ... |
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| 14:13.40 | jhutchins | Brigo: How do we know that? |
| 14:13.43 | Brigo | phix, and is hearing in the bridge? |
| 14:13.51 | phix | it is set to listen on br0 |
| 14:14.01 | phix | which is the same bridge device that the VM is connected to |
| 14:14.05 | Brigo | jhulst, dmesg paste |
| 14:14.17 | phix | Brigo: anything in /sys or /proc I need to set to get it working? |
| 14:14.32 | jhutchins | Brigo: Ah, 481 |
| 14:14.37 | Brigo | Phix, ok did you check the hdcp-server logs? or syslog for problems? |
| 14:14.55 | jhutchins | jaami: Brigo's right, you need to use fdisk or similar to delete the partitions, or format a partition instead of the device. |
| 14:14.56 | Brigo | phix, i think no |
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| 14:15.17 | jhutchins | jaami: If you're trying to insatll, what are you doing with the sdd? |
| 14:15.40 | phix | Brigo: hmmmmmm |
| 14:16.39 | phix | I guess I will use static ip for the momment, the VM image is set to DHCP so hopefully I will fix it one day, just means I need to manually connect to each VM I create :/ |
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| 14:21.10 | phix | Brigo: anything else you can think of? |
| 14:21.51 | Brigo | phix, did you check the logs, then? |
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| 14:32.20 | taylanub | I had the neat hack of grepping for 'Commandline: apt-get install ' in the apt/history logs but I guess using 'aptitude install' breaks that? is there still a way? |
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| 14:33.54 | boblee | taylanub: probably but you're aware someone who does a history -c and they just went around you anyways :p |
| 14:34.27 | Shadow_7 | taylanub: there's also tasksel, dselect and other install methods |
| 14:34.36 | taylanub | boblee: I won't do history -c then :P |
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| 14:35.15 | boblee | if you're trying to track other users. if just yourself then... nvm |
| 14:35.38 | taylanub | well, I see this "solution" is not generic at all. nevertheless it kinda works in my case because I *almost* only use apt-get |
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| 14:36.44 | boblee | taylanub: http://linuxcommando.blogspot.com/2008/08/how-to-show-apt-log-history.html |
| 14:36.47 | Shadow_7 | taylanub: you could always diff 'dpkg -l' at intervals. And check the timestamps on /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb to track things |
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| 14:37.43 | taylanub | BTW there should really be a shorthand for (~E | ~prequired | ~pstandard | ~pimportant). that's basically the "base system" if I get it right |
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| 14:39.04 | taylanub | so negating it gives me all the non-base stuff the installer gave me without notice, which is partly stuff I really don't want |
| 14:39.13 | Tachyon` | Hi, how might I persuade sshd to accept ssh1 connections (have old hardware with no ssh2 support) |
| 14:39.54 | taylanub | Tachyon`: have you checked the sshd_config manpage? |
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| 14:40.18 | Tachyon` | checking it out now, didn't know it was there -.o |
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| 14:41.01 | taylanub | the 'Protocol' option seems to be it: can be set to '1,2' |
| 14:41.12 | Tachyon` | ah yes, just found that in the manpage, thanks :) |
| 14:41.15 | taylanub | np |
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| 14:41.47 | themill | taylanub: the negation is ~poptional ~pextra; note that your kernel and bootloader are in that set. |
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| 14:41.56 | Resilience | hello to everyone, when I change the network configuraton it seems that "/etc/init.d/networking restart" does not always brings up right all the interfaces, what is the right way to re-start the network configuration without a reboot? |
| 14:41.58 | Tachyon` | hrm, disabling protocl 1, couldn't load host key |
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| 14:42.13 | Tachyon` | seem to be in the right area at least, lol |
| 14:42.18 | taylanub | themill: that's funny |
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| 14:43.49 | jordanm | Resilience: ifdown <interface>; ifup <interface> |
| 14:44.21 | Resilience | jordanit reloads the /etc/network/interfaces? there must be some init.d that just restarts all, right? |
| 14:44.36 | Resilience | jordanm it reloads the /etc/network/interfaces? there must be some init.d that just restarts all, right? |
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| 14:45.08 | jordanm | Resilience: no, restart functionality was deprecated and removed in squeeze iirc |
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| 14:45.45 | Resilience | jordanamm... so... in the init.d... how are networking brought up? wit a lot of ifup's? |
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| 14:45.59 | Resilience | jordanm, ... so... in the init.d... how are networking brought up? wit a lot of ifup's? |
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| 14:46.16 | Resilience | begs prdon for being so silly with the nicknames |
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| 14:47.31 | jordanm | Resilience: with ifup -a |
| 14:47.59 | jordanm | I think restart was always buggy, because ifupdown is horrible at tracking interface states |
| 14:48.52 | jhutchins | Certain kinds of devices, including those managed by network-manager, won't be restarted with networking restart. |
| 14:48.57 | Resilience | jordanm, but, as I understand, in the rebbot it was ran the init.d scripts (maybe now the systemd, does not matter) and the networks interfaces are brought up with some script right? |
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| 14:49.35 | jordanm | Resilience: even if it is a systemd unit now, it still probably runs ifup -a on boot |
| 14:49.36 | Resilience | jhuI'm not using network manager nor will I, the day I have to use graphical aberratiosn for configuring system level options that day O will migrate to the bsd's or to windows |
| 14:49.39 | Tachyon` | ahh, all working, thanks |
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| 14:49.52 | jhutchins | Resilience: With most clients, if you type the first few letters of a nick and hit tab it will auto-complete. |
| 14:50.06 | jordanm | I made my own systemd unit file for wheezy, not sure if one is included in testing/unstable now |
| 14:50.12 | Resilience | jordanm, mmmm I think it sohuld be running some kind of script, because it is what init.d used to do |
| 14:50.45 | Resilience | jhutchins, I know, but it seems that jordanm has two options, so I must worte the whole nick, taht was qhat I apoligize for |
| 14:50.49 | jordanm | Resilience: a big selling point of systemd is that it no longer requires a large collection of shell scripts |
| 14:51.15 | Resilience | jordanm, there's a majority which we don't like the way systemd works ;D |
| 14:51.41 | jhutchins | All the eggs in one basket, one tool doing too many different tasks, etc. |
| 14:51.52 | jordanm | most people who dislike do so for philisophical reasons, not technical ones |
| 14:51.54 | Resilience | jhutchins, no, not UNIXy, that's all |
| 14:51.57 | jhutchins | Linux is supposed to be modular. |
| 14:52.04 | heurist | Resilience: most of us that dislike systemd on pricipal have changed our minds after actually looking at it. |
| 14:52.13 | Resilience | jordanthere is NO technical reasons good in it, only for phanatics I'm afraid |
| 14:52.29 | Resilience | heurist, I have looked at it, don't like |
| 14:52.40 | jordanm | Resilience: sounds like you haven't used it, but this really isn't the place to debate it |
| 14:52.45 | jhutchins | Resilience: Yeah, there are excellent technical objections. |
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| 14:53.22 | Resilience | jordanI have not used, and I will not e using it never, becuase this is not the things I like to behave my system, that's all |
| 14:53.28 | Resilience | jordanm, I have not used, and I will not e using it never, becuase this is not the things I like to behave my system, that's all |
| 14:53.30 | jhutchins | Obviously plenty of people think it's great. |
| 14:53.41 | Resilience | jhutchins, a very vocal minoruty |
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| 14:54.32 | jmcnaught | journalctl is pretty cool. sysvinit will also still be available on Jessie |
| 14:55.29 | Resilience | jmcnaught, why don't you talk about stable/testing/unstable? for a lot of us it is _easier_ deal with names that don't change in time |
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| 14:57.02 | jhutchins | Resilience: The names identify a specific release, regardless of it's stage in the lifecycle. The status (stable/testing/unstable) is descriptive without regard to a point in time. |
| 14:57.07 | jelly-home | Resilience: the releases, however, do change with time |
| 14:57.29 | OpenTokix | sid never change, he will always be unstable the little bastard |
| 14:57.31 | jhutchins | Resilience: I have trouble with trying to memorize the correspondence between release names and numbers. |
| 14:57.48 | jmcnaught | Resilience: ^^ and saying "sysvinit will still be available in testing" doesn't make sense |
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| 14:58.38 | Resilience | jhutchins, I lnow about the realess name, a lot of nams without ordering, besides numbering scheme (I know the history of the names about toy story, I've been using debian since the 1.3.1 eralase, and still names don't say nothing to me, nor to a lot of people) |
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| 14:59.15 | jhutchins | Resilience: Did you have a debian support question? |
| 14:59.21 | Resilience | jmcnaught, at this point of time (which is whe we are talking) yes, it is, more sense that talking about silly names wihth no implict order ;D |
| 14:59.28 | jelly-home | !release history |
| 14:59.29 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7.0; 2013-05-04). The next release will be Jessie. http://debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases |
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| 15:00.18 | Resilience | jhutchins, yes, I was wondering hoy ethernet interfaces were brought up at start-up, and why the restart /etc/init.d/networking restart commadn failed, becuase I think they are brought up at start by the same script, right? |
| 15:00.20 | jelly-home | Resilience: be it as it may, debian developers think in terms of codenames so that flows over to a support channel like this one |
| 15:00.51 | jhutchins | Resilience: restart behaves differently than initial start. |
| 15:00.58 | jhutchins | Resilience: Read the script. |
| 15:01.10 | jordanm | he doesn't need to, I already told him multiple times |
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| 15:01.28 | Resilience | jhutchins, why nobody has patched it that error? |
| 15:01.36 | Shadow_7 | sometimes modules need to be unloaded / reloaded. Although perhaps more of a udev issue. |
| 15:02.09 | Resilience | jordanyou don't understand my point man, I know about ifdown and ifup, I don't want to use them becase this is not the right way. It works is no answer for a workaround |
| 15:02.18 | jelly-home | Resilience: it's a very hard problem to solve. Best practice is to manually down and up those interfaces you need to restart. |
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| 15:03.21 | Shadow_7 | Resilience: what is the use case that you're trying to solve? i.e. why does it need to cycle AFTER booting? |
| 15:03.23 | jelly-home | Resilience: it's what the maintainer of ifupdown tells to do, and the restart action does not do what you want it to, so learn to live with it |
| 15:03.28 | Resilience | jelly-home, I'm new to the problem, but not new to scripting, where is the hardness? Maybe no one bothered to make it work? or what exactly? (Yes, I can read the script, but if you point me rigt to the problem it will be fair easier to me) |
| 15:04.26 | Resilience | jelly-home, I'm afraid that in computers I tend not to pu any confidence in anyone that syas to me "put your comfidence in me without knowing, you don't need to konow" |
| 15:04.30 | jhutchins | Resilience: Griping about it here will do nothing but annoy people. It works the way it works for good reasons. |
| 15:04.46 | jhutchins | Resilience: Computers work the way they work, not the way you think they should work. |
| 15:04.47 | jordanm | [09:47] <jordanm> I think restart was always buggy, because ifupdown is horrible at tracking interface states |
| 15:04.53 | jordanm | the problem is not the shell script |
| 15:05.05 | Resilience | Shadow_7, changing the network configuration 8whatever) and restarting it the scripts,, read, the scripts |
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| 15:05.12 | jelly-home | Resilience: it's a complex problem basically boiling down to a script not being able to revert userspace, network driver and netfilter (iptables/tc) state back to what it was at boot time |
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| 15:06.25 | jordanm | hopes systemd-networkd will work better than ifupdown |
| 15:06.34 | Resilience | jelly-home, but ifdown+ifup can? come on, ti that's the case you only need to replace that part with a ifdown+ifup, right? |
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| 15:06.50 | Shadow_7 | Resilience: so you want to test a boot process without booting? |
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| 15:07.39 | Resilience | Shadow_7, no, I want to change a network configuration without rebboting, changing (for example) an ip address without the need for rebooting |
| 15:08.09 | Shadow_7 | Resilience: and why would that require restarting the ENTIRE network? |
| 15:08.14 | jelly-home | Resilience: for that problem, ifdown just that interface, change the configuration, and ifup back just that interface again |
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| 15:09.16 | Shadow_7 | The networking script ifdown's almost every interface. And lots of configurations have more than one. i.e. Ethernet AND Wireless. |
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| 15:10.54 | Shadow_7 | plus some interfaces are quirky (broadcom wireless). And need ifdown && modprobe -r && modprobe && ifup to function. |
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| 15:11.25 | jelly-home | Resilience: see eg. https://bugs.debian.org/565187 |
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| 15:12.14 | Resilience | Shadow_7, then, why that script sxists with the stop, start, restar, reload functions? I d0n't see the logic in it |
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| 15:14.05 | Shadow_7 | sometimes you want to bring the ENTIRE network down. To stop an attacks progress. To change to firewall settings without risk. And for other things to switch from sysvinit to systemd or ipchains to iptables or... |
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| 15:15.43 | jelly-home | Resilience: it's a long, sad story, and it would likely be less confusing that "restart" and "reload" actions just did not exist there, but current state is what it is |
| 15:15.51 | jhutchins | Could we maybe get back to debian support? |
| 15:15.52 | Resilience | Shadow_7, well, I'm reading "diagonally2 the script, it seems to be about eth's, not networking.... so when you say "bring the network down" you refer to all the cars, and not the protocol stack, right? becasue ip protocol stack and services are bring in and out by inetd, right? |
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| 15:16.22 | nullvibe | hopes debian doesn't buy into systemd's nonstandard binary logging nonsense |
| 15:16.26 | Abator | is it possible to install missing firmware from live usb? |
| 15:16.44 | Shadow_7 | Abator: yes... via chroot |
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| 15:17.11 | Abator | may i get the full command if possible? |
| 15:17.12 | Resilience | jelly-home, maybe but, if th network cards are brought up and start up with /etc/init.d/networking tart... why can't be bought up again to live? why ifup works but restart don't? technical reasons, not rudeness 8as I have read in the amail list) and ssad stories like here |
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| 15:17.52 | Resilience | jhutchins, I think this is debian support, I like to know where a problem lies to try to ammned it, and no, "read the code" is not a vliid answer |
| 15:18.02 | Shadow_7 | Abator: lots of google-able hints. mount -t proc none /mnt/proc && mount --rbind /dev /mnt/dev && chroot /mnt /bin/bash && apt-get install firmware |
| 15:18.09 | jhutchins | Resilience: it's not, it's pointless ranting, and it's getting very tiresome. |
| 15:18.15 | jhutchins | !installer firmware |
| 15:18.16 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 15:18.40 | Abator | thanks , let me read all that |
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| 15:18.47 | Resilience | jhutchins, yes, it is, it is tiresome becuase you can point any tehnical explanation, nly saying sad thing, sad thiing, well, this a sad actitude |
| 15:18.53 | jmcnaught | Resilience: maybe using nmcli from network-manager would get you the kind of behaviour you're looking for? |
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| 15:19.40 | Resilience | jmcnaught, what's network-manager? can it run in a box without the gnome libraries and wihout X installed on it? ah, no, well, thhen... |
| 15:20.09 | jelly-home | Resilience: we're volunteers here. If you're not getting the technical detail, maybe we don't know the answer, or we don't want to get into details because it won't help you solve things right now. |
| 15:20.21 | jhutchins | This channel is debian support, not philosophy of linux. |
| 15:20.51 | jhutchins | jelly-home: I don't think he's trying to solve anything, I think he's just ranting. Pointlessly. |
| 15:20.55 | Shadow_7 | Resilience: the protocol stack is not the interfaces. Is inetd even used anymore? Beyond squeeze. |
| 15:21.05 | jmcnaught | Resilience: network-manager isn't just for X |
| 15:21.52 | jww | network manager people use such stuff ? get vim :) |
| 15:22.00 | Resilience | jhutchins, not talking about linux philosophy, saying where is the problem with /etc/init.d/network start been able to bring u the network and then /etc/init.d/netork restart not been able to bring all the interfaces but yes ifup them... this is one thing I don't understand, and it seems no one knows why, keepin' on saying "use systemd, you don'tneed to know" is no answering the question |
| 15:22.20 | jelly-home | Resilience: whatever the reason may be, you're not getting an answer, so drop it please. |
| 15:22.30 | Resilience | jmcnaught, tell me where configuration files are stored for network manager... :) |
| 15:22.47 | Abator | please tell me how to edit resources.list with nano, it gives me input output error |
| 15:22.59 | jhutchins | Resilience: dpkg -L network-manager |
| 15:22.59 | Resilience | jelly-home, do you know the answer? if you know it, are so plit to tell a pointer to the story please? |
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| 15:23.07 | Shadow_7 | Resilience: the advantage of open source is that you can LOOK at the source and KNOW what it does and how. |
| 15:23.23 | Shadow_7 | And change it if it doesn't do what you WANT or EXPECT. |
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| 15:24.04 | jmcnaught | Resilience: also checkout the man page for nmcli. installing network-manager doesn't pull in gnome.. network-manager-gnome does though |
| 15:24.12 | Resilience | Shadow_7, yes, and what? it is far easier it somones points you at the error, without having to figure them, you can save a lot of tne, of alot of trouble starting a project you're not able to end ;D |
| 15:24.19 | jhutchins | This is pointless. |
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| 15:24.46 | jhutchins | No answer is going to satisfy him, he isn't looking for knowledge or solutions, he's just trying to show off how superior his idea is. |
| 15:24.55 | jelly-home | jhutchins: drop it please. |
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| 15:25.00 | jhutchins | Done. |
| 15:25.14 | Resilience | jhutchins, no, I"'m saying where is the problem?" |
| 15:25.37 | dsheets_ | If I apt-get source package and then cd into the package's debian directory, quilt push -a should run cleanly, no? |
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| 15:26.13 | dsheets_ | I am trying to hack on shadow so I did: apt-get source shadow; cd shadow-4.1.4.2/debian; quilt push -a |
| 15:26.13 | Brigo | Resilience, no, you are not saying where is the problem. We are doing it, and if you do not like, please quit. |
| 15:27.01 | jmcnaught | Resilience: nmcli in Wheezy is already quite capable so you might be interested in learning to use it. The version in Jessie will be even more useful, and has TUI. It might be worth looking into :) |
| 15:27.08 | Shadow_7 | Resilience: what problem? specifics? I pushed the button and nothing happened helps no one to know your issue. |
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| 15:27.15 | dsheets_ | But then I get a hunk failure for 008_su_no_sanitize_env on src/su.c |
| 15:27.31 | Brigo | dsheets_, if nodoby can help you here, try in oftc server, in debian-next channel or debian-mentors. |
| 15:27.48 | dsheets_ | Brigo, cool, thx |
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| 15:28.10 | Brigo | dselect, np :) |
| 15:28.10 | dselect | i haven't a clue, Brigo |
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| 15:28.19 | Resilience | Shadow_7, what means "pushed the buton"? Not literaly I mean |
| 15:28.30 | Brigo | dsheets_, np :) |
| 15:28.51 | Abator | i have to edit resources.list, what i should do if nano does not work with input output error? |
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| 15:29.55 | heurist | Abator: what is resources.list? |
| 15:29.57 | Brigo | Abator, can you paste the command you have used? |
| 15:30.12 | Abator | nano /etc/apt/resources.list |
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| 15:30.37 | Shadow_7 | Resilience: you did networking restart and WHAT didn't happen? did unload and reload iptables? not supposed to. Didn't stop and start the FTP server? not supposed to. |
| 15:30.49 | Brigo | Abator, did that archive exists? |
| 15:31.10 | Abator | the file exist |
| 15:31.10 | heurist | Abator: did you not mean sources.list? |
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| 15:31.25 | Abator | oh sorry, yes, sources.list |
| 15:32.22 | heurist | Abator: and what happens? are you root? |
| 15:32.36 | Abator | yes, i am root, i get input output rror |
| 15:32.39 | Abator | error** |
| 15:32.59 | heurist | Abator: try cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:33.09 | Abator | bash: /usr/bin/nano: Input/output error |
| 15:33.11 | Resilience | Shadow_7, oh, and ifup and ifdown do that? they don't fail, but the script that use them fails? a lot of logic, I quit about asking, becuase you don't know the answer, or wnat thi situation, but if you teel me about I will keep on saying you're wrong |
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| 15:33.42 | Abator | heurist, cat is working ok |
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| 15:33.54 | heurist | Abator: and just nano on its own? |
| 15:34.13 | Abator | oh, nano isnt working |
| 15:34.19 | Shadow_7 | Resilience: I am not phsyic. Things are working as expected until you can specifically say what is NOT as expected. I cannot tell you what you cannot ask. I'm done with you. |
| 15:34.22 | Abator | so there is no nano? |
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| 15:35.18 | heurist | Abator: i/o error does not mean there is no nana, sounds like it is corrupted. |
| 15:35.39 | Abator | there are error if i run apt-get install nano, let me paste, will you check? |
| 15:35.49 | heurist | Abator: sure |
| 15:35.53 | Abator | ok |
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| 15:37.07 | JordiGH | How can I make "alsactl init" run each time the computer comes back from a RAM suspension? |
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| 15:37.44 | Resilience | Shadow_7, psych suppose, what ges wrong? easy, why /etc/init.d/networking start works and /etc/init.d/networking restart don't, easy, no psionic powers needed |
| 15:37.49 | Abator | heurist, please see this output http://pastebin.com/Sm6SMzaU |
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| 15:38.37 | Shadow_7 | Resilience: /etc/init.d/networking start does nothing if the network is already up. |
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| 15:39.34 | heurist | Abator: your system looks quite broken, perl is broken and nano is broken, not good, what did you do to it? |
| 15:40.11 | Resilience | Shadow_7, can I please have very little and fast private chat with you? 2 or 3 lins and I'll be done, and I quit the channel with this question, I would very gratefull to you |
| 15:40.30 | Abator | heurist, its live usb i created with yumi. and look like it is runing ok, but there must be missing parts |
| 15:41.13 | Abator | that is why i asked someone to give me the link for right iso file. |
| 15:41.24 | Shadow_7 | Resilience: restart is supposed to be equivalent to /etc/init.d/networking stop && /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 15:41.27 | heurist | Abator: oh, not a real system then. Can not help you with a livecd. |
| 15:41.39 | heurist | Abator: are you trying to install? |
| 15:42.07 | Abator | heurist, i am trying to install missing fiirmware, before i tried to install debian that failed too |
| 15:42.32 | Abator | in fact every try failed |
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| 15:42.42 | Abator | i was able to install xchat only |
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| 15:43.29 | Abator | yes, this live usb is from bad iso. but really, i dont why debian main page has that iso on it |
| 15:43.40 | Abator | i dont knw** |
| 15:43.53 | Abator | selecting right iso is big time problem |
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| 15:44.36 | Abator | even dd is not working |
| 15:44.53 | Abator | nothing is working on this live debain |
| 15:44.56 | nezZario | What are the chances I can hotswap a sata on a running system (off mobo) |
| 15:45.00 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Abator about firmware images |
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| 15:45.09 | abrotman | nezZario: depends on the controller |
| 15:45.21 | nezZario | I thought so, thanks for confirming that |
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| 15:45.44 | nezZario | I have a really damaged drive I'm about to RMA to amazon, I'm trying to dd it if at all possible but when plugged up @ boot it flips out during the boot process |
| 15:46.24 | heurist | Abator: have you read the install manual?: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 15:46.55 | Abator | let me check, may be i did |
| 15:47.29 | nezZario | nope, nothing showed in dmesg when i plugged in the sata cable live, i'm guessing the controller doesn't support it (this isn't server quality hardware) |
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| 15:47.50 | frostschutz | nezZario, ahci? |
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| 15:48.13 | nezZario | any clue how I can make the boot process shuttup? i mean, it's getting past the BIOS, early in the debian boot process |
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| 15:51.29 | nezZario | I mean really? This is pretty annoying, it's just a secondary drive --- throws up READ DMA ERROR over, and over, and over, and over..never getting far in the boot process |
| 15:51.49 | nezZario | I would hate to know this happened if a mirror died in a RAID1 cfg |
| 15:52.01 | Abator | heurist, please see if this link works because everytime i open it my browser is closed https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 15:52.17 | nezZario | works fine here btw |
| 15:52.36 | Abator | nezZario, i did not ask you to check it |
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| 15:54.07 | Abator | actually updates messed up debian and that is why i am a bit rude |
| 15:54.17 | Abator | now nothing is working |
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| 15:56.47 | Abator | alright, need to ask further questions later |
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| 16:09.21 | Asuran | im looking for a guide (someone gave it me here already) which shows howto install jessie in schroot enviorment with debootstrap, can someone help me out please? |
| 16:10.27 | jmcnaught | Asuran: have you tried https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot ? |
| 16:10.34 | Asuran | i guess so |
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| 16:11.06 | Asuran | im merly sure it wasn't the above link, it was maybe something on a blog or whatever, idk |
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| 16:11.26 | angel_ | Hi, I am trying to install debian on an acer tablet. here is the resume of my problem http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2bp74s/ |
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| 16:13.45 | Asuran | jmcnaught: but what about the kernel, howto setup booting the new "fs"? |
| 16:13.55 | Asuran | i have just vserver access |
| 16:14.08 | Asuran | its not a dedicated machine or like that |
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| 16:14.45 | Asuran | nvm it should work like ded. with bootloader and so on, right? |
| 16:14.51 | Brigo | angel_, it do not load for me :-/ |
| 16:15.48 | Asuran | maybe google for a similiar tutorial which esplains steps you can use to achieve it for your tablet, its hard but maybe |
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| 16:16.17 | angel_ | Brigo, :( what did you end up doing? |
| 16:16.28 | jmcnaught | Asuran: i'm not sure what you mean. With a schroot you wouldn't be booting into the chroot, you would enter it from the running system with the "schroot" command |
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| 16:16.58 | Asuran | jmcnaught: ah... and kernel stays where it is, but how to update it then? symlink to new root? |
| 16:17.28 | jmcnaught | angel_: the reddit link you provided just says "[removed]". You're Faryshta? Maybe it's a problem with your USB stick, can you try it on another computer? |
| 16:17.48 | jmcnaught | Asuran: what are you trying to do? schroot might not be the tool you're looking for |
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| 16:18.01 | Asuran | im trying to get jessie as main system |
| 16:18.21 | angel_ | jmcnaught, really? it loads fine for me. and yes thats my nick too from when i am at home. |
| 16:18.22 | Asuran | without dist-upgrading, because it didn't work due to sshd upgrading bug |
| 16:18.22 | BlueBeret | hello |
| 16:18.43 | Asuran | hi BlueBeret |
| 16:18.51 | jmcnaught | Asuran: chroot is what you'd use to have a limited copy of jessie running inside of wheezy |
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| 16:19.06 | angel_ | jmcnaught, http://www.reddit.com/r/linux_devices/comments/2bp784/device_questions_has_anyone_being_able_to_install/ |
| 16:19.06 | Asuran | okay then i can forget about this, right? |
| 16:19.08 | BlueBeret | I am missing the rtl8723be module in the latest amd64 kernel in unstable, but I believe it is available in Ubuntu. is there a way I can make it available in Debian? |
| 16:19.37 | Brigo | angel_, sorry, i lost connection |
| 16:20.15 | Asuran | would it work safe using deb-src packages from jessie and compile to wheezy? |
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| 16:20.22 | jmcnaught | Asuran: unless your goal is to run some software from Jessie on a Wheezy system. If it's a server you're talking about, Jessie might not be a good idea |
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| 16:20.40 | Asuran | well i want for example gcc 4.9 |
| 16:20.51 | angel_ | Brigo, np. you meant to say that my link didn't work? or that the live usb didn't work? |
| 16:21.00 | Asuran | and newer kernel of course |
| 16:21.46 | Brigo | angel_, your link, as jmcnaught told you too :) |
| 16:21.57 | angel_ | Hi, I am trying to install debian on an acer tablet. here is the resume of my problem http://www.reddit.com/r/linux_devices/comments/2bp784/ (link corrected) |
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| 16:22.15 | angel_ | Brigo, jmcnaught i apologize for the broken link. |
| 16:22.17 | jmcnaught | Asuran: is this for a server? Newer kernel is available in wheezy-backports. I think I remember talking to you before.. is there some specific feature you need from these newer versions or are you just version chasing? |
| 16:22.40 | Asuran | i was already here few days ago |
| 16:22.55 | jmcnaught | angel_: Can you try the USB stick on a different computer to see if it's the problem? |
| 16:22.56 | Asuran | but backports doesn't contain the gcc |
| 16:23.11 | Asuran | im chasing atleast for gcc 4.8.3 |
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| 16:23.21 | rozie | angel_: you told nothing about how do you install |
| 16:24.03 | jmcnaught | Asuran: what do you need the newer gcc for? You could install newer gcc in a chroot and use it to compile stuff then move it out of the chroot. Do you really need it though? |
| 16:24.18 | Asuran | hmm yea thats maybe a solution |
| 16:24.30 | angel_ | jmcnaught, i did and it boots properly. rozie what do you want me to explain? i tried the instalation method from the debian manual 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdb' 'sync' and then the firmware |
| 16:25.28 | jmcnaught | angel_: what OS is currently on the tablet? |
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| 16:26.02 | Brigo | angel_, is not related to the instalation method. but the booting hardware or any bios problem |
| 16:26.04 | angel_ | jmcnaught, windows 8 |
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| 16:26.37 | angel_ | Brigo, ok how do i fix it? the tablet comes with dual bios uefi and legacy, i switched to legacy to be able to boot |
| 16:27.05 | Brigo | angel_, i do know :( |
| 16:27.42 | angel_ | Brigo, :( you don't know? |
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| 16:28.41 | jmcnaught | angel_: you're using a usb hub right? booting from network is also a possibility, but it's a little more involved: https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall |
| 16:29.04 | Brigo | angel_, look at this: https://getsatisfaction.com/easypeasy/topics/error_8001_trying_to_install_from_usb_on_acer_aspire_one |
| 16:29.12 | angel_ | jmcnaught, i have no ethernet connection on the tablet |
| 16:29.59 | angel_ | Brigo, i get the same error. ok will ask people at work if they have other usb available |
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| 16:30.41 | Brigo | angel_, it may be the problem is not the usb, but the tablet or the bios, or ... |
| 16:31.00 | jmcnaught | there's also a USB hub in the mix if i remember from last night |
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| 16:33.02 | angel_ | jmcnaught, yes, without it i can't use the keyboard |
| 16:33.27 | jmcnaught | angel_: but maybe you can try borrowing a different hub |
| 16:34.02 | angel_ | ok will try |
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| 16:34.18 | angel_ | jmcnaught, i will try to boot using the hub on another computer |
| 16:34.21 | angel_ | and see wht happens |
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| 16:59.14 | papi83dm2 | hello |
| 16:59.28 | papi83dm2 | is lvm installed on debian 7 by default? |
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| 17:00.18 | ckuehl | papi83dm2: no |
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| 17:01.12 | papi83dm2 | ckuehl:what's the package name? |
| 17:01.18 | ckuehl | lvm2 |
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| 17:02.40 | papi83dm2 | ckuehl:thanks |
| 17:02.47 | papi83dm2 | are there any repo that has apache 2.4? |
| 17:03.49 | ckuehl | papi83dm2: testing has 2.4.9-2, i don't see any backports though |
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| 17:04.15 | ckuehl | papi83dm2: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&keywords=apache2 |
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| 17:05.27 | Brigo | ,v apache2 |
| 17:05.28 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u3; jessie: 2.4.9-2; sid: 2.4.10-1 |
| 17:05.29 | sine0 | what is an easy/good ftp server |
| 17:05.35 | Shadur | vsftpd |
| 17:05.41 | Brigo | no backports |
| 17:05.44 | sine0 | i used to use glftpd but my needs are not that complex these days |
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| 17:06.16 | sine0 | i will investigate Shadur |
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| 17:09.06 | jmcnaught | papi83dm2: if you're using Debian on a server it's best to use Wheezy and the packages it provides. Some features from Apache 2.4 have been backported to the Apache 2.2 packages for Wheezy |
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| 17:15.57 | Shadur | Did sid break i386/amd64 multiarch or something? |
| 17:16.27 | addaitech | no |
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| 17:17.27 | Shadur | Because a recent dist-upgrade deleted every :i386 lib because of a conflict with libgcc1 and libgcc1:i386 |
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| 17:20.38 | jmcnaught | Shadur: maybe if you ask in #debian-next irc.oftc.net someone there might be familiar with the issue |
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| 17:22.12 | shlevy | Can I use my ssh agent to sudo instead of my password? |
| 17:22.15 | Mousey | happy sysadmin's day! |
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| 17:22.21 | shlevy | I'd like to have my machine passwordless |
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| 17:22.40 | Shadur | shlevy: No. You can configure sudo to take NOPASSWD, though, although I'd still recommend against it. |
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| 17:22.59 | woodyj21 | ssh-key would let you not have to enter pw everytime |
| 17:23.32 | Shadur | woodyj21: ssh-key doesn't do sudo |
| 17:23.41 | woodyj21 | boo :( |
| 17:24.00 | Mousey | how about a nice telnet? |
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| 17:25.25 | sheap | is it allowed to have js/css in a debian package? |
| 17:25.47 | Shadur | sheap: I don't see why not, if the software requires it. |
| 17:26.05 | Shadur | Heck, I'm fairly sure some of the packaged cms'es use either or both. |
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| 17:27.18 | sheap | Shadur: okie doke, thanks! I have to have a mentor/approval from a DD to upload a package correct? |
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| 17:31.03 | cream2 | would you guys help me configure ipv6 networking in /etc/network/interfaces given this?: http://vpaste.net/GZ2GU |
| 17:31.11 | cream2 | I'll brb |
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| 17:31.47 | cream2 | I'm back :) |
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| 17:33.43 | cream2 | ok debian dudes, how do I setup ipv6 networking static ip address in /etc/network/interfaces given this? http://vpaste.net/GZ2GU |
| 17:33.50 | cream2 | all networking info is right there |
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| 17:35.35 | Dagger | cream2: something like this? https://p.6core.net/p/BbvRHIiq2BNq67fUqef1z9bR |
| 17:35.52 | Dagger | all of the rest of that info would normally come from RAs/SLAAC |
| 17:36.04 | Dagger | (although the /128s are a tad odd...) |
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| 17:38.01 | sine0 | just curious, why is debian 3 dvds.. |
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| 17:40.09 | mtn | sine0: all the packages are in them. you only need one for the distro to install |
| 17:40.13 | jmcnaught | sine0: because Debian has so much software. Most people don't need more than the netinst disk though, since you can install everything over network with apt-get and friends |
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| 17:42.26 | sine0 | I have used gentoo and ubuntu in the past. what is different about debian. |
| 17:42.35 | sine0 | if you could sum it up |
| 17:43.00 | sine0 | im using it on the raspberry pi and i cant really tell the difference. |
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| 17:48.11 | mo1991 | sine0 - debian stable is more stable than the others id say - better tested packages |
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| 17:50.45 | jmcnaught | sine0: https://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian |
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| 18:02.28 | adm001mi | hey all, I've still got a cpu problem when running debian... my laptop overheats (read easily passes the 100 degrees celsius border... is anyone familiar with cpufreq scaling/cooling? |
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| 18:03.11 | monode | what is the easiest way to create a local repo/mirror of packets i'm interested in and (hopefully) manage them? I'm interested in probably 50 packets or so from the debian repo, and I'd like to keep them for offline use to install among a few tens of VMs |
| 18:03.47 | monode | ideally, what i want is to have a ssh script log into the remote machine and do apt-get install [packet] or a very similar command; this will install the packet which will already have the dependencies pulled |
| 18:04.32 | monode | i guess my question is two-fold: a)how can i create a local report for apt-get to use, and b) how do i pull packets i'm interested in from the current repo into my repo, with all their dependencies |
| 18:04.39 | monode | s/report/repo |
| 18:04.53 | Resilience | has saved his beard, so his small UNIX wizrdry has evaporated... |
| 18:05.59 | awc737 | !ping |
| 18:06.00 | dpkg | Sorry awc737, you're not online. |
| 18:06.11 | awc737 | you tricked me |
| 18:06.13 | monode | awc: i also can't see what you're typing |
| 18:06.20 | awc737 | wait, is this real. |
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| 18:06.51 | monode | Resilience: you can always dd if=/dev/sda of=backup bs=512 count=1 |
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| 18:07.00 | monode | then lpt `xxd backup` |
| 18:07.14 | monode | then dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 |
| 18:07.17 | monode | then manually retype your mbr |
| 18:07.20 | Resilience | monode, with my beard? ;D |
| 18:07.41 | monode | and reboot with alt+sysrq+b (without syncing/unmounting/etc) |
| 18:07.46 | monode | and hope it has synced |
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| 18:08.07 | monode | then you could say "this one type, i only had a printed hexdump of my mbr..." |
| 18:08.15 | monode | s/type/time |
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| 18:10.48 | jmcnaught | There's #defocus or #debian-offtopic for goofing around. Also monode please be careful about suggesting commands like zeroing out the MBR, a lot of the users are new here and might not understand you're joking |
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| 18:19.08 | Vasistha | is the directory group-sticky bit ignored on hfsplus? that's what I'm observing here |
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| 18:20.11 | Cuby96__ | hi |
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| 18:20.29 | Cuby96__ | thaving a problem with the sound. can someone help me? |
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| 18:22.21 | Cuby96__ | anyone there? |
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| 18:29.08 | wulllst | Cuby96__: there are apparently 1480 people on the chat. well, could you describe that problem? |
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| 18:30.15 | Cuby96__ | im having an issue with my odroid u3 and my atrix lapdock: the video looks great, but i didn't get any sound what should i change to get it work? |
| 18:30.36 | Cuby96__ | my os is an debian wheezy |
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| 18:32.06 | wulllst | Cuby96__: well, are you sure it's not just everything being muted? |
| 18:32.33 | wulllst | Cuby96__: this is imho mostly the case when ALSA is installed |
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| 18:32.43 | Cuby96__ | yes because its a fresh installed os, but how do i check it out? |
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| 18:33.21 | wulllst | Cuby96__: well, do you have a mixer application in you desktop environment (in case you use one). |
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| 18:35.03 | Cuby96__ | i've got over the "start"-button and "sound & video" an music player |
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| 18:36.09 | Guest73868 | Hey is anybody here? |
| 18:36.20 | wulllst | Cuby96__: are you really aware of how you desktop environment works? what desktop environment do you use? |
| 18:36.39 | jmcnaught | Guest73868: 1490+ people here. Do you need some Debian support? :) |
| 18:36.53 | Cuby96__ | how do i check it out? sry im a noob in linux though :) sry.... |
| 18:37.42 | wulllst | Cuby96__: btw, you might also want to lokk around at http://www.ircbeginner.com/index.php in your free time. |
| 18:38.07 | Guest73868 | I do thanks, I'm having audio issues. I'm using Debian with LXDE and I can't hear any audio. When I boot up I get lots of messages like 'alsamixer: invalid argument' or something like that. I've also tried appending 'options snd-hde-intel model=generic' to alsa-base.conf but it hasn't made any difference |
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| 18:38.22 | wulllst | Cuby96__: ok, back to the problem: could you answer one question: what desktop environment do you use. |
| 18:38.59 | Cuby96__ | what do you mean by desktop enviroment? debian wheezy? is that correct? how do i check it out? |
| 18:39.17 | Guest73868 | alsactl store: 'alsactl: get_control:250: Cannot read control info '2,0,0,Front Playback Volume,0': Invalid argument' |
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| 18:39.59 | wulllst | Cuby96__: i honestly suggest you read up about linux distributions in general a little. otherwise it seems a bit futile to help you. |
| 18:40.53 | furhun | Okay, something strange happened. I was inside a folder full of MP3s.. i was probably pressing the wrong key combination while attempting to select multiple files (i was holding down shift) when all of a sudden a translucent black box popped up and played the file |
| 18:40.57 | Cuby96__ | okay, but im having another problem: my usb wlan stick is recognized in lsusb but not in ifconfig what should i change? |
| 18:41.18 | d3sync | Cuby96__ try iwconfig |
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| 18:41.26 | BluesKaj | Guest73868, try appending it as 'options snd-hde-intel index=0' to make the intel audio chip the default in alsa base conf, also run sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel to load the driiver which sometimes won't load after aupgrades due to a bug |
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| 18:41.44 | abrotman | furhun: displayed ? |
| 18:41.48 | papi83dm2 | when you install acl, do you need to reboot for it to take effect? |
| 18:42.05 | Cuby96__ | command not found it says |
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| 18:42.07 | TJ- | BluesKaj: s/snd-hde-intel/snd-hda-intel/ |
| 18:42.22 | Guest73868 | Okay BluesKaj, I'll do that and reboot |
| 18:42.26 | Guest73868 | Brb |
| 18:42.35 | BluesKaj | Guest73868, yes, sry about the typo |
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| 18:43.02 | wulllst | Cuby96__: you need wireless-tools. |
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| 18:43.31 | furhun | abrotman: what? |
| 18:43.32 | Cuby96__ | is that apt-get install wireless-tools ? |
| 18:43.41 | wulllst | Cuby96__: wireless-tools is the package containing iwconfig. |
| 18:43.47 | wulllst | Cuby96__: yes it is. |
| 18:43.51 | abrotman | furhun: Are you in Gnome? |
| 18:43.56 | furhun | abrotman: yes |
| 18:44.07 | abrotman | furhun: probably Totem started accidentally |
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| 18:44.41 | furhun | abrotman: it was nothing like totem... it was like a popup i assure you |
| 18:44.51 | abrotman | furhun: perhaps built into nautilus |
| 18:45.15 | furhun | abrotman: still, funny it seems unheard of.. i cant do it again either |
| 18:45.34 | abrotman | furhun: magic hands |
| 18:45.34 | furhun | it was black and translucent rather like the dropdowns in the gnome panel.. had round corner |
| 18:45.36 | Cuby96__ | okay, it says lo and eth0 thats all no wlan0 |
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| 18:46.10 | furhun | abrotman: also, on the left it displayed a thumbnail or icon of well a RECORD (probably the default in place of album art) |
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| 18:46.31 | osmo_SMS | then for sure: adapter fry :)) |
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| 18:47.42 | Cuby96__ | wulllst: okay, it says lo and eth0 thats all no wlan0 |
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| 18:47.57 | SerialThrilla | <- this is the person who had the audio issues |
| 18:48.01 | SerialThrilla | I just rebooted and no change |
| 18:48.12 | wulllst | Cuby96__: well, then your device is not yet recognized |
| 18:48.16 | SerialThrilla | When I entered 'sudo modprobe snd-hde-intel' |
| 18:48.25 | SerialThrilla | I got the output 'FATAL: Module snd-hde-intel not found.' |
| 18:48.27 | TJ- | SerilaThrilla: BluesKaj: s/snd-hde-intel/snd-hda-intel/ |
| 18:48.33 | wulllst | Cuby96__: have a look at this: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 18:50.01 | abrotman | SerialThrilla: so you don't have intel audio hardware? |
| 18:50.04 | wulllst | Cuby96__: and then, look into this: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 18:50.30 | jmcnaught | SerialThrilla: it should be "hda" not "hde" in that command |
| 18:50.30 | yebyen | does anyone know how to write a debian/control file which is architecture-specific but doesn't specify which one? |
| 18:50.51 | yebyen | in other words, I have Architecture: amd64, but they have to change it to build on i386 platform... |
| 18:51.00 | gnat_x | i want to have serial console redirection, but i also want to have stuff output the screen. i know i can get output to both (ttyS0, tty0), but is input from both more than the kernel supports; i'm having trouble finding an answer. |
| 18:51.18 | yebyen | I can build a package on either platform with Architecture: all, but then that package is not tagged with the correct architecture, when it really is built for one or the other... |
| 18:51.25 | SerialThrilla | jmcnaught: I have a NVidia sound card |
| 18:51.32 | wulllst | Cuby96__: Especially remember this: "NetworkManager is configured through graphical interfaces, which are available for GNOME and KDE. Your wireless interface should not be referenced within Debian's /etc/network/interfaces file." |
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| 18:51.49 | Cuby96__ | okay |
| 18:52.04 | SerialThrilla | jmcnaught: Oh okay, let me change it :P |
| 18:52.22 | wulllst | Cuby96__: as you are, as you say, a linux noob, i'd suggest going with NetworkManager. |
| 18:52.36 | jmcnaught | SerialThrilla: what is the output of "lspci -nn | grep Audio" (use http://paste.debian.net/ if it's more than one line) |
| 18:52.46 | anoob | it's a long time since i've installed default debian (debian cd 01) ... nowadays i install debian with netinst. which one is the default desktop ? is it gnome? |
| 18:53.02 | Cuby96__ | okay, i'll check it out after i configured the stick |
| 18:53.07 | jmcnaught | yebyen: I think you want "any" instead of "all" |
| 18:53.11 | gnat_x | anoob: i think its xfce these days. |
| 18:53.12 | evilegidiux_ | gnome it is |
| 18:53.14 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell yebyen -about nmg |
| 18:53.16 | yebyen | jmcnaught: thanks, perfect |
| 18:53.18 | somiaj | anoob: it is gnome unless you go to advanced options before you boot the installer and choose another destop enviorment. |
| 18:53.29 | yebyen | jmcnaught: double thanks |
| 18:53.37 | wulllst | Cuby96__: or, for your convenience, drop Debian for now and use Linux Mint (which is Debian-based): http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint |
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| 18:54.06 | abrotman | wulllst: wtf why? |
| 18:54.13 | abrotman | that's just silly |
| 18:54.15 | anoob | thanks somiaj, i'll help my friend :) |
| 18:54.29 | anoob | it will help my friend* |
| 18:54.30 | wulllst | abrotman: because it's "goal is to provide a more complete out-of-the-box experience". |
| 18:54.40 | abrotman | And what? |
| 18:54.40 | SerialThrilla | OK, I entered 'modprove snd-hda-intel' and got no output. and as for lspci -nn ... : http://paste.debian.net/111677/ |
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| 18:54.47 | abrotman | he's not doing anything difficult |
| 18:54.59 | abrotman | Try not to assume everyone is an idiot |
| 18:55.38 | wulllst | abrotman: it's just a suggestion. and i' not assuming anyone is an idiot here. |
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| 18:56.01 | abrotman | Sure |
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| 18:58.33 | jmcnaught | SerialThrilla: it looks like you have two sound cards, maybe one is HDMI? Can you paste.debian.net the output of "aplay --list-devices" ? Also are you able to use "alsamixer" now? F6 in alsamixer to switch between sound cards. |
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| 19:00.12 | aramus | Hi a few days ago I cloned my harddrive using DD now the original drive will not boot, and says Alert! /dev/disk/by-uuid does not exist, then it says (initramfs) now if i type in blkid then type blockdev --rereadapt /dev/sda it boots fine |
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| 19:00.59 | SerialThrilla | aplay: http://paste.debian.net/111678/, if I open alsa mixer and try to switch to: '0 HDA NVidia', the program closes and outputs 'cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument' |
| 19:01.33 | SerialThrilla | But I can switch to '1 HDA NVidia', where I see four boxes all with '00' in them, and no options to increase them |
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| 19:02.48 | taylanub | uh, why are there two apparently identical 'multiarch-support' packages? |
| 19:03.23 | taylanub | um, doesn't show up with 'apt-cache search' but with 'apt-cache show' |
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| 19:05.01 | taylanub | one notable difference is that one has priority required, the other standard |
| 19:05.01 | petn-randall | aramus: Are both drives attached to the machine while you try to boot? |
| 19:05.18 | jmcnaught | SerialThrilla: have you already tried adding "options snd-hda-intel model=generic" to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ? |
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| 19:05.29 | aramus | petn-randall, when they are both attached it boots fine, this is when the cloned drive is not atached |
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| 19:06.32 | petn-randall | aramus: What was the exact command you used to clone them? |
| 19:06.43 | SerialThrilla | jmcnaught: Oh is it snd-hda-intel to go into that file? The forum I copied it off said hde :P Bare with me I'll reboot |
| 19:06.49 | aramus | petn-randall, dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb |
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| 19:07.44 | petn-randall | aramus: And they're exactly the same size? Btw, look into the "bs" option if you want to increase dd performance, without any option it'll copy one byte at a time. |
| 19:08.40 | petn-randall | aramus: You can check the disk size with e.g. 'smartctl -i /dev/sda'. |
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| 19:08.59 | aramus | petn-randall, yes they are the same size, but why would the oriignal drive not boot correctly |
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| 19:10.29 | Rad- | buh..... usermod -aG sudo <user> |
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| 19:10.36 | Rad- | su <user> |
| 19:10.36 | petn-randall | aramus: I don't know, the dd command you mentioned doesn't touch /dev/sda beyond reading. |
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| 19:10.49 | Rad- | <user> is not in visudo. This incident will be reported. |
| 19:10.50 | Rad- | buh??? |
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| 19:11.22 | aramus | im guessing it has something to do with grub |
| 19:11.40 | jmcnaught | Rad-: was that a question? after adding a user to the sudo group the user needs to logout and log back in before using sudo |
| 19:11.55 | Rad- | the user was never logged in jmcnaught . i was root. |
| 19:11.56 | Rad- | i created the user |
| 19:11.59 | Rad- | added the user to sudo |
| 19:12.03 | Rad- | and the logged in |
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| 19:12.29 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell Rad- -about enter |
| 19:12.40 | taylanub | http://sprunge.us/EHCf is this some kind of bug or is there an explanation behind it? |
| 19:12.48 | petn-randall | Rad-: You didn't. Look for '-l' in 'man su' |
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| 19:13.51 | sine0 | ok so root creates a subdirectory in my /home/sine/hemadethis |
| 19:13.56 | sine0 | do i automatically have write access |
| 19:13.57 | petn-randall | aramus: Did you maybe invoke grub directly or indirectly when upgrading kernels while both disks were connected? That update on disk but not the other. |
| 19:14.16 | sine0 | if not how do i create it so a user has write access |
| 19:14.16 | petn-randall | !tell sine0 about tias |
| 19:14.25 | Rad- | sorry jmcnaught. Forgot this isn't a gaming channel... Anyway, su -l <user> gives me same error o_O |
| 19:15.15 | sine0 | ok what i mean is how do i make a folder so that a certain user has write access to it.. |
| 19:15.28 | sine0 | chmod *** /home/sine/hemadethis |
| 19:15.29 | jmcnaught | Rad-: can you put the commands you're trying and output on http://paste.debian.net so we have a clearer understanding of what's going on? |
| 19:15.37 | sine0 | 755 |
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| 19:15.51 | aramus | petn-randall, that could be possible |
| 19:16.01 | _1_Daniel | Hola |
| 19:16.04 | aramus | petn-randall, perhaps reinstalling grub? |
| 19:16.04 | petn-randall | sine0: look at 'man chown'. |
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| 19:16.19 | sine0 | more like man down |
| 19:16.23 | _1_Daniel | Abla espanol |
| 19:16.40 | Rad- | jmcnaught: here's contents whne i type visudo http://paste.debian.net/111682/ |
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| 19:17.31 | jmcnaught | Rad-: i was suggesting you show us the command that gives you the error... |
| 19:17.36 | Rad- | and http://paste.debian.net/111683/ |
| 19:17.37 | Rad- | oh |
| 19:17.39 | Rad- | i tried sudo ls |
| 19:17.47 | petn-randall | aramus: It's worth a try. If not, take a pic of the error message for us to see. |
| 19:17.53 | _1_Daniel | Now inglish |
| 19:18.00 | petn-randall | !es |
| 19:18.01 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 19:18.14 | _1_Daniel | Plis en espanol |
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| 19:18.33 | petn-randall | _1_Daniel: This is an english only channel, if you want support in spanish see above. |
| 19:18.37 | Rad- | _1_Daniel: para espanol, vayas a #debian-es por favor |
| 19:19.17 | taylanub | where is the raw package database in Debian? if it's human readable.. |
| 19:19.22 | _1_Daniel | Nose cm Aserlo |
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| 19:19.47 | _1_Daniel | Pero aki no se manda foto |
| 19:19.48 | petn-randall | taylanub: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 19:19.48 | logis | ?quit |
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| 19:20.02 | Shadow_7 | taylanub: dselect update && less /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 19:20.02 | petn-randall | !tell _1_Daniel about es |
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| 19:20.06 | taylanub | petn-randall: find out the reason multiarch-support appears twice |
| 19:20.19 | petn-randall | taylanub: 'apt-cache policy multiarch-support' |
| 19:20.24 | petn-randall | taylanub: Show us that output. |
| 19:20.25 | taylanub | Shadow_7: I just found that file; are those *all* packages? |
| 19:20.28 | Rad- | sudo ls theoretically should work even though i don't need sudo to ls... |
| 19:20.34 | ompaul | taylanub: or browse http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/ |
| 19:20.59 | Shadow_7 | taylanub: all available (in repos anyway) |
| 19:21.04 | taylanub | http://sprunge.us/aJgg petn-randall, also see http://sprunge.us/EHCf |
| 19:21.16 | _1_Daniel | Cuando able eb espanol |
| 19:21.22 | _1_Daniel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.32 | ompaul | what is it with people using sprunge rather than paste.debian.net |
| 19:21.54 | petn-randall | _1_Daniel: Again, this is english-only. Join #debian-es for spanish support. |
| 19:21.56 | taylanub | hrm, only the Required one appears in /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 19:22.04 | _1_Daniel | Mandeme una foto para yo saver con kien ablo |
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| 19:22.09 | ompaul | !es |
| 19:22.10 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 19:22.28 | taylanub | where could 'apt-cache show' and e.g. 'aptitude search ~pstandard' get the other entry from? |
| 19:22.29 | jmcnaught | ompaul: they don't want use to see the line numbers is my theory |
| 19:22.40 | petn-randall | _1_Daniel: Finding someone here who speaks spanish is close to zero. /join #debian-es |
| 19:22.50 | _1_Daniel | Sip |
| 19:22.53 | Rad- | _1_Daniel: POR FAVOR, VAYAS AL OTRO CANAL. |
| 19:23.14 | Shadow_7 | taylanub: dpkg-query --load-avail -l '*' |
| 19:23.16 | taylanub | oh, I'm blind, I just noticed one of the two having a different version |
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| 19:23.33 | petn-randall | taylanub: One version is in the standard repo, one is a security update. |
| 19:23.33 | ompaul | taylanub: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 19:23.59 | muah | Hello guys, someone running the proprietary nvidia driver on jessie? |
| 19:24.11 | Brigo | muah, me |
| 19:24.15 | Rad- | estoy hablando espanol contigo _1_Daniel . escribe "/join #debian-es" para cambiar canal............ ellos hablan espanol |
| 19:24.33 | petn-randall | muah: There might be, check out #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, where jessie/sid are supported. |
| 19:24.34 | taylanub | petn-randall: ah, I see. thanks all |
| 19:25.00 | Mousey | i'm running it |
| 19:25.06 | _1_Daniel | Ya etoy aki |
| 19:25.11 | Mousey | ./NVIDIA-something-something, ftw |
| 19:25.22 | Rad- | pero nadie aqui habla espanol _1_Daniel . |
| 19:25.23 | muah | A recent update deleted the nvidia drivers, but i thought i'd install it from their website and be fine but now the version it reports is 2.1 opengl. it used to be 4.3 |
| 19:25.58 | _1_Daniel | Como k no ute abla en es panol |
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| 19:26.59 | Rad- | pq todos aqui hablan INGLES |
| 19:27.01 | _1_Daniel | Digame como.me boy ala via k ablan espanol |
| 19:27.08 | _1_Daniel | Porfa |
| 19:27.17 | jmcnaught | Mousey: did you install the Nvidia drivers using the installer from their website? That will be a short-lived "win" because next kernel update it will break |
| 19:27.22 | Rad- | _1_Daniel: escribe /join #debian-es |
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| 19:28.12 | Mousey | jmcnaught: i grab the latest from their FTP. and generally have to reinstall it after X packages see an update.. there's a nifty switch for their installer package called --sanity, which will check the integrity of the install. |
| 19:28.21 | Mousey | i reinstall their crappy driver a lot. |
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| 19:29.40 | jmcnaught | Mousey: well please don't recommend that "solution" here.. there are debian packages for a reason. From what I understand right now if you can't install it in Jessie there are packages that can be installed from unstable. "/msg dpkg tum" for a suggestion related to that. However #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is probably a better place to discuss testing and unstable :) |
| 19:29.44 | muah | so, am i the only one haveing problem with their driver recently? |
| 19:30.09 | muah | yeah sure, i will be joinging there. thanks |
| 19:30.22 | _1_Daniel | Bueno lo are breve elimi nare esta pajina |
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| 19:30.39 | Mousey | jmcnaught: i wasn't necessarily recommending it as a solution so much as sharing my experience with it. i'm fully aware of the pain and bother running their driver non-DKMS style involves. |
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| 19:31.25 | petn-randall | _1_Daniel: You are wasting your time here. |
| 19:31.29 | _1_Daniel | Hola |
| 19:32.00 | jmcnaught | folks at this point we should just /ignore _1_Daniel |
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| 19:51.57 | ElDiabolo | Hi. When restarting exim4/wheezy mainlog says "socket bind() to port 25 for address (any IPv6) failed: Address already in use". This is because is already listening on that port. Any idea what is going on. |
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| 19:53.47 | {xmb} | how to make my apt have 64b only again |
| 19:53.53 | {xmb} | i added i386 but it fucked up |
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| 19:55.54 | unclezipper | ElDiabolo: You probably have postfix or another SMTP server listening on port 25, and another program is also trying to grab port 25 |
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| 19:57.39 | jhutchins | ElDiabolo: That or exim is not shut down - it has some problems in the current release with running multiple instances. |
| 19:57.49 | earthian | Hello, which text web browser supports javascript in Debian?? |
| 19:57.56 | jhutchins | ElDiabolo: The other possibility is that you have duplicate entries in your config file. |
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| 19:58.34 | earthian | it looks like links2, elinks do not have js support compiled in.. ;( |
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| 20:01.13 | jhutchins | earthian: You can enable it for those two, but in many cases it's not going to work properly in text mode. |
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| 20:04.01 | ElDiabolo | jhutchins, It is not shut down. Thanks for the hint. |
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| 20:05.37 | earthian | i just need it to recognise onclick event on a button and associated functions.. it is a linksys wrt54gs router page.. |
| 20:05.57 | earthian | wish they did not use so much javascript where not needed.. |
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| 20:06.14 | {xmb} | they are ' we hire cheap coders ' |
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| 20:12.20 | taylanub | will something break if I remove the 'ssl-cert' package? I don't know why it's installed; it's not required, standard, or important, and nothing depends on it, yet it's marked as a default install though I don't ever asked it to be installed (was probably the initial installer?) |
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| 20:14.05 | jmcnaught | taylanub: "apt-cache rdepends ssl-cert" to see which packages need it. Why do you want to remove it? |
| 20:14.19 | earthian | taylanub, I think the package provides the certificates of certificate authorities which are used by browsers and other apps to verify certificates... so you might get issues with certificates not trusted if you remove it... check what files it installed and where.. |
| 20:15.15 | Abator | what i can do to fix this error ->> The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot. |
| 20:15.23 | taylanub | earthian: apparently "/etc/ssl/certs" (which is a directory) belongs to it but none of the directory's contents |
| 20:15.42 | jmcnaught | earthian: you're probably thinking of the "ca-certificates" package |
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| 20:16.44 | taylanub | jmcnaught: it seems the installer installs some stuff that I never asked for and don't need; I'm cleaning all that stuff up now |
| 20:16.49 | earthian | jmcnaught, you are right! sorry! |
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| 20:17.54 | Abator | my question is still hanging there !!!! |
| 20:18.08 | taylanub | actually, my understanding so far is that the installer should only install required/important/standard packages (that covers 'essential's too), and then stuff that comes via tasks, and nothing else, but some "manually" installed packages on my system seem to meet none of those criterea... |
| 20:19.34 | jmcnaught | taylanub: did you check "apt-cache rdepends ssl-cert" ? "aptitude why ssl-cert" is also useful |
| 20:19.36 | Abator | i am at the end of installation process where grub is created but it failed with this error ->> The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot. what i should do to fix it |
| 20:19.56 | monode | What is the easiest way to download the dpkgs for the packets i commonly use and their dependencies and how can I easily use the collected packages to install packages offline? |
| 20:20.23 | monode | Abator: do you have a MBR partition table |
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| 20:20.44 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell monode -about apt-offline |
| 20:20.56 | Abator | monode, thanks for asking, actually i have no idea, just used live usb |
| 20:21.25 | monode | is your drive over 2TB? |
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| 20:21.43 | taylanub | jmcnaught: hm, postfix and cups depend on it both of which I had installed at some point; don't know why it should be marked as a manual install though. cups initially came through the 'laptop' task at first installation, should that be relevant |
| 20:21.44 | Abator | monode, drive is only 120GB |
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| 20:22.13 | sheap | how come this needs non-free stuff in debian, yet a bunch of totally free distros work out of the box? https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb |
| 20:22.24 | monode | jmcnaught: just want to know if this is the right direction: can i also use that in a network? like having a machine as a mirror, and vms and real machines using that machine as an apt source? |
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| 20:23.20 | monode | Abator: ouch. can you tell me more about your partition setup? |
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| 20:24.00 | jmcnaught | monode: i don't do anything apt-offline stuff, but the dpkg factoid has some additional <topics> that you can ask it about. I use "apt-cacher-ng" as a caching proxy at home so all my Debian boxes get faster update downloads (and each .deb is only downloaded once) |
| 20:24.07 | monode | is it custom? did you use raid, lvm? what fs is / and /boot? how big are they? |
| 20:24.21 | taylanub | sheap: what nonfree software does it need on Debian? |
| 20:24.22 | jmcnaught | taylanub: i'm not sure why ssl-cert is marked as manually installed, but i don't recommend removing it |
| 20:24.42 | sheap | taylanub: firmware-atheros |
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| 20:24.49 | Abator | monode, i have 2 partitions , actually only one when started install and that was fat32 the other was old debian that i deleted and made free space and let the installer take all free space. |
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| 20:24.59 | sheap | even on the supported OS description it says the Debian needs additional firmware |
| 20:25.06 | sheap | but trisquel doesnt? confuses me |
| 20:25.41 | taylanub | sheap: where does it say that? I only see "Trisquel 6, Scientific Linux 6.4, RHEL 6.4, CentOS 6.4, and Debian 7 currently require the installation of a driver, firmware, and/or kernel upgrade." |
| 20:25.57 | taylanub | (doesn't say nonfree; includes Trisquel) |
| 20:26.03 | monode | so you just have a big root partition? |
| 20:26.08 | Abator | monode, i think right now i will have 3 , one for linux , 2nd for swap and 3rd for fat32 |
| 20:26.25 | sheap | taylanub: well above that I assume are the "out of the box" supported distros, trisquel and parabola being there |
| 20:26.28 | Abator | monode, exactly |
| 20:26.41 | monode | oh, so you just picked the "use all available freee space" option |
| 20:26.53 | Abator | monode, yes, |
| 20:27.08 | sheap | trisquel 6.01 * |
| 20:27.29 | monode | i'm not really sure, that option never failed on me. any extra info from the grub install message? |
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| 20:27.35 | Abator | monode, also i did not create separate partition for home and other |
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| 20:27.50 | monode | yeah it's ok, a single / partition is probably the easiest way |
| 20:28.04 | Abator | monode, actually, that is the complete error message The 'grub-pc' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot. |
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| 20:28.06 | taylanub | sheap: I don't really know but, maybe Linux-libre ships some free, compatible alternative to atheros which Debian doesn't know of? tell me if you find out :) |
| 20:28.16 | taylanub | is interested in GNU-endorsed distros; is looking forward to Guix |
| 20:28.34 | sheap | taylanub: okie dokie |
| 20:28.47 | sheap | isn't guix just a package manager? |
| 20:28.52 | Abator | monode, also when i try to chose different mirror i always get error. no working mirror was found |
| 20:29.24 | monode | do you have other devices attached? embedded card reader, whatnot, maybe this has a lom interface and you have a virtual hard drive or whatnot? |
| 20:29.27 | monode | or maybe it's in a vm? |
| 20:29.29 | taylanub | sheap: distro at the same time. it's a bit unclear what the distro is called but it's either also just "Guix", or "the GNU system". (certainly not GuixOS, in contrast to Nix/NixOS) |
| 20:29.33 | babilen | sheap, taylanub: You might want to move non-Debian support discussions to #debian-offtopic |
| 20:29.43 | monode | no working mirror is usually a problem |
| 20:29.53 | monode | it's weird that you went as far as installing grub |
| 20:30.04 | monode | did you manually skip the steps in between? :P |
| 20:30.15 | sheap | babilen: sorry boss :P |
| 20:30.33 | Abator | monode, i think i did not miss any step |
| 20:30.56 | babilen | sheap: It's okay, but #d-ot is just much more suited for those topics |
| 20:30.58 | Abator | skip** |
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| 20:31.17 | monode | I'm not sure you can go by default to "install grub" without actually installing the os and some packages |
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| 20:31.30 | monode | if you don't have a working mirror.. well.. you can't really install your system |
| 20:31.59 | monode | I think cds still count as sources/mirrors, but only the full suite of them, not the netinst ones |
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| 20:32.22 | Abator | monode, i am sorry, i think i could not explain well. let me take a look on the installation setup that is still running |
| 20:32.35 | monode | ok, let me ask a different way |
| 20:32.42 | monode | what did you do after it said "no working mirror found" |
| 20:33.00 | monode | did you pick "go back" or "go to main menu" and choose another step |
| 20:33.11 | babilen | Abator: Are you, by chance, installing from a USB stick? |
| 20:33.19 | monode | is this a network installation, from one of those .netinst images |
| 20:33.27 | Abator | monode, i go back and try gain and again for different mirror |
| 20:33.30 | monode | also interested in babilen's question, i asked earlier |
| 20:33.53 | monode | does the network work? |
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| 20:34.18 | Abator | babilen, yes, installing from usb stick, and if i m not forgetting this is the same stick i used for for my previous debian install. and i think it worked |
| 20:34.19 | monode | in the previous step, did it say anything like "unable to get dhcp lease, perhaps your network is not using dhcp, would you like to use a static address?" |
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| 20:34.35 | Abator | monode, yes network is working |
| 20:34.56 | monode | network cable plugged in, autonegotion led is green/orange on the ethernet port i assume - could you please check again though? :) |
| 20:35.08 | monode | it seems very odd that you can't access a network |
| 20:35.09 | babilen | Abator: How did you create that USB stick? Which image did you use and how did you write it to the stick? |
| 20:35.17 | monode | are you currently chatting from that machine? |
| 20:35.19 | Abator | monode, i was asked to choose which network is default, i selected eth0 instead of wlan |
| 20:35.41 | monode | do you have a network cable plugged in? |
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| 20:36.11 | Abator | monode, yes, i am chanting from same machine, and really i made this stick long ago , i remember somebody helped me through all steps |
| 20:36.38 | Abator | monode, i am using broadband wifi. eth0 cable is unpluged |
| 20:37.06 | monode | oook, you are currently booted in windows/fat32 partition, and using a client, or did you somehow connect to irc from the debian installer? |
| 20:37.19 | Abator | babilen, i think i have the link for the image. let me open my emails |
| 20:37.33 | babilen | Abator: How did you write it? |
| 20:37.35 | monode | ie, if i ask you to do alt+f2 (don't do it yet) -- will you still be able to access your irc client |
| 20:37.46 | monode | I'm not sure i understand this right |
| 20:37.53 | monode | > <Abator> monode, yes network is working |
| 20:38.00 | jmcnaught | monode: i believe earlier they said it was a live image |
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| 20:38.02 | monode | > <Abator> monode, i was asked to choose which network is default, i selected eth0 instead of wlan |
| 20:38.13 | monode | > monode, i am using broadband wifi. eth0 cable is unpluged |
| 20:38.29 | monode | oh, i missed that part, i was assuming the regular installer |
| 20:38.32 | monode | now it makes sense |
| 20:38.35 | Abator | monode, currently, i am on live debian and install setup is also in running state, and i installed xchat with apt-get install xchat |
| 20:38.42 | babilen | Your NIC might require firmware, but then ... how did you write the image? What does "lspci -nn" give you? |
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| 20:39.34 | babilen | And installing from the live CD might cause problems with grub-pc, but then it should⢠work. Still depends on how you wrote it. But as you refuse to tell me ... |
| 20:39.49 | Abator | monode, the broadband wifi is from a usb stick that is working but during setup that broadband was not shown, only options were eth0 and wlan so i had to select either 1 of those |
| 20:40.19 | monode | errrr |
| 20:40.29 | Abator | im so sorry babilen ,please give me a minute , let me open my email bix where i saved the link |
| 20:40.42 | babilen | And you don't remember how you wrote it to your stick? |
| 20:41.04 | Abator | babilen, i remember i wrote it with dd |
| 20:41.34 | monode | Abator: when you're done, please do "parted -s /dev/sda p"; if it doesn't work, try "apt-get install parted" and try previous command again |
| 20:41.37 | Abator | because no other way was working and that took long time , finally dd worked, i cannot forget that |
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| 20:42.03 | babilen | The exact command would be good and also the image. |
| 20:42.03 | Abator | oh, have to note it down |
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| 20:42.19 | monode | babilen: i guess the image is partly or completely ok since he can boot, got x running, can install stuff, etc, but it's just a guess |
| 20:42.29 | Abator | please wait a second let me get the link |
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| 20:42.33 | monode | but then again, i'm also interested in what he wrote |
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| 20:42.48 | babilen | Abator: fwiw, the proper way is to "cp the-image.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your usb stick (cf. "dmesg|tail -n42 after plugging it in) |
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| 20:43.15 | monode | babilen: really? the iso has partitions and everything? |
| 20:43.20 | babilen | monode: I've seen many problems with grub due to incompletely written images (or people using unetbootin) |
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| 20:43.26 | monode | i always did it with dd |
| 20:43.32 | babilen | monode: It does have partitions, yes. |
| 20:43.40 | monode | yeah, windows unetbootin is bad, esp if you do it from windows |
| 20:43.54 | Abator | babilen, yes, i was told that cp is write way but really some sites tell dd is the right way |
| 20:43.55 | monode | err.. minus one windows |
| 20:44.03 | babilen | Abator: But you installed Debian already, didn't you? |
| 20:44.15 | monode | well, it seems ot have failed at grub-install |
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| 20:44.46 | monode | but he also said that he was unable to find any mirror during installation |
| 20:45.01 | Abator | babilen, yes debain is almost installed , if i complete the setup now then later i will be installing grub with super grub or something. and yes, the commands monode told me |
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| 20:45.19 | babilen | Abator: cp is the better way. dd is not needed. You need dd if you want to copy only partial data (e.g. 3 blocks of 512 bytes with an offset of 15 blocks) or so. By default it will be slower than cp (due to it not scaling the blocksize automatically) and also has a horrible syntax. |
| 20:45.39 | babilen | Besides, dcfldd is better than dd, so there really is not use for dd anymore ;) |
| 20:45.40 | _unreal_ | I installed steamos, it did every thing fine, then when booted into the GUI it did auto updates and now my video is not work? any suggestions on what would be my best first move? it has an ATI X1050 video card. I did find and download the proper linux driver sitting on a thumb drive incase its needed. |
| 20:45.53 | babilen | dpkg: steamos |
| 20:45.53 | dpkg | SteamOS is an operating system released by Valve as a gaming platform, based on Debian 7 "Wheezy". It is not supported in #debian, support is available in #steamOS on irc.freenode.net or at http://support.steampowered.com/ . See <based on debian>. |
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| 20:45.59 | monode | dd is pretty cool if you're on a slow RS232 terminal |
| 20:45.59 | babilen | _unreal_: ^^ |
| 20:46.11 | babilen | Abator: Can you chroot into the system? |
| 20:46.12 | Abator | babilen, i will keep that in mind for the next time |
| 20:46.13 | monode | ddfldd just spams your console with progress bars and such unnecessary stuff |
| 20:46.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell Abator -about fixmbr |
| 20:46.27 | Abator | yes, i can , i have root terminal open |
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| 20:46.36 | monode | nono, in your target system |
| 20:46.37 | babilen | monode: So, use cp ;) |
| 20:46.49 | monode | -v, right? :P |
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| 20:46.59 | monode | Abator: do you have any files in /target/ |
| 20:47.07 | Abator | target? |
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| 20:47.09 | monode | for instance "cd /target/; ls -ltr" lists anything? |
| 20:47.10 | Abator | what is that |
| 20:47.27 | _unreal_ | babilen, really....... its linux and its based on debian. this is a video card issue any suggestions on what I can do to solve the video issue? |
| 20:47.28 | Abator | sorry, i dont know about target |
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| 20:47.44 | monode | when you start debian from your hard drive, /target becomes /, so to say |
| 20:47.52 | _unreal_ | and i've already tried talking in the other channel and no one is responding. |
| 20:48.13 | monode | basically /target is where your / partition is mounted during install |
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| 20:48.18 | babilen | _unreal_: Yes, really. This channel *only* supports Debian for a number of social and technical reasons. Feel free to install Debian (testing I guess) and steam or seek support in ##linux or in #steamos |
| 20:48.28 | Geri_lgfx | hi. how can i update the graphics drivers (vesa, fbdev) to the last testing builds? i alreday added the required repo, what is the package name? |
| 20:48.43 | monode | anyway, please do "cd /target/; du -sh ." and let me know the output |
| 20:48.43 | Abator | monode, oh ok, so what i should look for now? |
| 20:48.52 | Abator | okay |
| 20:48.58 | monode | are there any files in /target? do "cd /target; du -sh ." |
| 20:49.07 | monode | or "cd /target; ls -ltr" if you want to see them |
| 20:49.25 | bezaban | debian is nice and predictable when running a stable version with standard repos. Derivations however do things that are not predictable |
| 20:49.26 | monode | first one gives a size estimate for the dir |
| 20:50.13 | Abator | root@Abator:~# cd /target/; du -sh; bash: cd: /target/: No such file or directory ; 18k |
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| 20:50.50 | babilen | Abator: You would have to create it, mount your newly installed Debian root there and *then* chroot into it. That is detailed in the <fixmbr> factoid the bot just sent you. |
| 20:51.03 | monode | shouldn't it be still mounted? |
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| 20:51.14 | monode | I'm not sure how the live installer goes |
| 20:51.19 | babilen | You will have to mount /var, /usr, /etc, ... too if you have those as separate filesystems |
| 20:51.31 | Abator | babilen, oh ok, let me mount it |
| 20:51.34 | monode | nah, he has just a single partition iirc |
| 20:51.44 | babilen | monode: I have no idea and Abator might have reboot in the interim ... but then the live installer is nothing I'd ever use. |
| 20:51.54 | monode | ..yeah |
| 20:51.58 | _unreal_ | Abator, did you type /target/ ? or is that the name of your folder /target/ is refering to the folder where you are trying to do smoething for example /home/ or /boot/ etc... |
| 20:52.01 | monode | Abator: did you reboot after the grub error? |
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| 20:53.01 | Abator | monode, oh NO, i cannot reboot system, i am not sure what will happen and that is why i installed xchat to get help bfore reeboot |
| 20:53.09 | _unreal_ | as far as what monode was describing with cd /target/; du ...... |
| 20:53.21 | Abator | babilen, the 61gb partition is already mounted |
| 20:53.21 | monode | _unreal_: i told him too, but cd /root/; works here. maybe busybox doesn't like it? |
| 20:53.39 | monode | where is it mounted? do a df -h and paste the related line |
| 20:53.42 | monode | "df -h" |
| 20:53.57 | monode | it *should* be mounted on /target, but I have no idea |
| 20:53.59 | _unreal_ | monode, heh he posted this ' root@Abator:~# cd /target/; du -sh; bash: cd: /target/: No such file or directory ; 18k ' |
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| 20:54.30 | GusCE6 | Hello, all. |
| 20:54.32 | _unreal_ | that would suggest to me that he cut/pasted what you typed as apposed to adjusting "target" to his folder as needed |
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| 20:54.45 | _unreal_ | :) |
| 20:54.46 | monode | yeah, i told him to do that - ain't a linux guru myself |
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| 20:55.03 | monode | but i tested it with "cd /var/; du -sh ." |
| 20:55.15 | GusCE6 | I have an unusual question about the Debian OS involving a Sylvania netbook. |
| 20:55.26 | monode | oh |
| 20:55.32 | _unreal_ | see to last few statements hehe cut/pasted heh |
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| 20:55.50 | monode | iirc, /target *is* the target |
| 20:55.55 | monode | at least with the curses installer |
| 20:56.28 | _unreal_ | then the folder was not been created yet or is not mounted |
| 20:56.29 | jmcnaught | GusCE6: go ahead and ask the question with as much detail as you can. also please try to get it all in one message.. if you hit <enter> too much it's hard to follow you :) |
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| 20:56.56 | monode | _unreal_: most likely. wifi wasn't setup right (he seems to have a usb dongle), no mirror was detected either |
| 20:57.04 | _unreal_ | hum |
| 20:57.12 | Abator | monode, _unreal_ , right now the file manager shows just 2 partitions the 61GB debian and 52fat32. that means the install process has already completed the partition process because i dont see no live usb partition |
| 20:57.39 | _unreal_ | Abator, lsblk |
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| 20:58.07 | _unreal_ | that will post all block devices and there mount locations |
| 20:58.15 | _unreal_ | and status |
| 20:58.19 | jmcnaught | Abator: did you ever tell us which image you're using to install from? |
| 20:59.27 | Abator | http://pastebin.com/bF7Vjdi6 |
| 20:59.54 | GusCE6 | I would just like to know if a version of the Debian OS is available for a 2006 Sylvania netbook: it has a 400mHz processor (ARM 8505), 128MB RAM, normally runs Windows CE6, and has a built-in 2GB flash drive. I have gotten Android 2.2 running on it. |
| 21:00.19 | _unreal_ | GusCE6, most likely an ARM build |
| 21:00.20 | Abator | jmcnaught, babilen i am so sorry, i am trying to follow all instructions because do not want to miss any good one. now for sure i will get the link from my mail box |
| 21:00.38 | monode | _unreal_: i did not know lsblk, neat. |
| 21:00.43 | GusCE6 | How well would it run? |
| 21:00.57 | Abator | _unreal_, http://pastebin.com/bF7Vjdi6 |
| 21:01.02 | _unreal_ | sr0 and sr1 are your RAM |
| 21:01.10 | Abator | oh , never mind |
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| 21:02.03 | _unreal_ | the sda(x) one's are your harddrive, I notice that there is no / root or /boot mount points |
| 21:02.05 | monode | _unreal_: here's your share of interesting uncommon linux commands: htop, nmon, tmux/screen, pv and of course, if you're not a convert yet - vim |
| 21:02.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell Abator -about firmware image |
| 21:02.47 | monode | \/lib/live/installer/target |
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| 21:02.50 | monode | really? |
| 21:02.51 | jmcnaught | Abator: _unreal_: sr0 is more likely an optical drive than ram |
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| 21:02.54 | Loafers | Please help: my desktop is unable to detect my Nvidia GTX 750Ti. nvidia-detect yields "No NVIDIA GPU Detected" and lspci indicates intel is being used. I tried disabling intel graphics by setting pci-express as my priority adapter and disabling igpu multimonitor support. Could conflicting drivers be the problem? I used nvidia in the past, switched to intel, then transitioned back to nvidia. Or is |
| 21:02.56 | Loafers | nvidia-glx? Jessie does not support nvidia-glx at this time so I was forced to downgrade to a previous snapshot to reinstall nvidia-glx. But what bothers me is even if there are driver issues, the card should at least be detected by the hardware right? |
| 21:03.07 | monode | whoever wrote the live installer and thought "gee... /target is too complicated... let me make it easier" |
| 21:03.21 | babilen | Loafers: Sounds like an Optimus setup |
| 21:03.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell Loafers about bumblebee |
| 21:03.41 | babilen | Loafers: What does "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" give you? |
| 21:03.41 | _unreal_ | jmcnaught, your prob right, I was looking at my ram partition on my machine |
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| 21:04.07 | jmcnaught | GusCE6: you might need to try it yourself to see, or try and find some search engine results with "debian <my computer model" for example. |
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| 21:04.15 | babilen | Loafers: And jessie is support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and you should just pull the nvidia packages from unstable |
| 21:04.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell Loafers -about tum |
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| 21:04.48 | babilen | Loafers: It is, IMHO, neither reasonable nor possible to track a pure testing system at this point in the release cycle |
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| 21:04.57 | monode | Abator, could you do "cd /lib/live/installer/target ; ls -ltr" |
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| 21:05.18 | Loafers | babilen: VGA compatible controller: intel corporation xeon e3-1200 v2/3rd gen core processor graphics controller. |
| 21:05.34 | babilen | Loafers: That's not the output of the command I just mentioned. |
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| 21:05.47 | babilen | Loafers: Do you have to type that? |
| 21:05.49 | GusCE6 | jmcnaught: Normally an OS is installed from an SD card in a SCRIPT folder. It cannot be done from a USB drive or anything else. |
| 21:05.51 | Loafers | babilen: yeah i wasn't sure if to use unstable/experimental. i'll check out bumbleebee |
| 21:06.01 | babilen | Loafers: Hang on please |
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| 21:06.15 | _unreal_ | Loafers, your prob going to want to remove ALL nvidia drivers and related data, I'll be honest the command escapes me right now but more or less: apt-get remove nvidia.... there are a few command switches and other things to add to it but I forget, you'll also want to get the latest driver from nvidia for linux, and you'll need to be in runlevel 3 to install it |
| 21:06.17 | Abator | babilen, jmcnaught here is what i saved at the time i finished install of my previous debian. http://pastebin.com/Nd3wsyLr |
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| 21:06.42 | Abator | monode, i am back, and now run the command |
| 21:06.50 | babilen | Loafers: So my command returns a single line only? (it shouldn't have returned the line you mentioned as the pciid was missing ([abcd:1234] at the end) |
| 21:07.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell Abator -about pastebin.com |
| 21:07.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell _unreal_ -about runlevel |
| 21:08.04 | Loafers | babilen: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0162] (rev 09) |
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| 21:08.13 | babilen | _unreal_: It would be preferred if you wouldn't mention things in here that don't apply to Debian |
| 21:08.15 | jmcnaught | Abator: oh are you jaami? I recommend using the firmware netinst image that dpkg messaged you about. Did you ever get around to reading the Installation Guide? |
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| 21:08.34 | babilen | Loafers: yeah, that is bumblebee |
| 21:08.48 | _unreal_ | and what did I mention that doesnt respond to debian? |
| 21:08.58 | babilen | The need to boot into runlevel 3 |
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| 21:09.20 | Abator | i dont know why pastebin.com stoped working |
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| 21:09.48 | jmcnaught | Abator: please you http://paste.debian.net/ instead of pastebin.com |
| 21:09.49 | babilen | Loafers: See https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee after configuring your system so that you are able to pull packages from unstable (set the default release, cf. <tum>) and seek support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net as you are running testing |
| 21:10.05 | jmcnaught | Abator: errr.. use not you :) |
| 21:10.06 | Abator | jmcnaught, yes, i am the jaami. dont like that no more :) look like some ppl also dont like jaami , anyway, who cares |
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| 21:10.15 | _unreal_ | https://wiki.debian.org/RunLevel |
| 21:10.18 | Loafers | babilen: will do. thanks! |
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| 21:10.54 | Abator | http://paste.debian.net/111698/ |
| 21:11.25 | _unreal_ | nvidia said on there own site to boot to a low run level to install there drivers |
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| 21:11.35 | _unreal_ | in any case have to go pick up my daughter bbl |
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| 21:11.51 | babilen | Well, that doesn't apply to Debian (2-5 is the same) and we provide packages for nvidia |
| 21:12.15 | Abator | jmcnaught, i found the old usb stick i used for my previous debian, so i gave it a try. btw, my net is too slow and if during install of netinstall there will be timeout error then nothing will be done |
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| 21:14.14 | jmcnaught | Abator: if you have more than one USB stick you could put CD1 on one stick and unpack the firmware tarball on another stick. |
| 21:14.25 | babilen | Not necessary |
| 21:15.01 | babilen | The images create two partitions. One can create a filesystem on the second (e.g. "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdX2" and then mount it and unpack firmware.tar.gz there) |
| 21:15.07 | monode | i'm curios why he can irc from the live install, but can't install his system |
| 21:15.34 | babilen | Because the installer does not support the 3G modem Abator is obviously using. |
| 21:15.49 | babilen | But then I'd just install using CD1 or DVD1 and take it from there. |
| 21:16.03 | babilen | A netinstall with network problems is a bit, well, sad :) |
| 21:16.16 | jmcnaught | I might have Abator confused with another person who couldn't find the CD1 image and firmwares all on the same stick. People keep changing nicks :/ |
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| 21:16.25 | Abator | monode, http://paste.debian.net/111700/ |
| 21:16.26 | babilen | Not sure why the live installer can't use the same network connection though and I am still not sure what happened to the "fixmbr" procecure |
| 21:16.34 | babilen | *procedure |
| 21:17.20 | Abator | babilen, i think , right now, i have real debain instead of live one |
| 21:17.44 | monode | you won't have it untill you reboot |
| 21:17.51 | monode | it seems it was installed, just that grub failed |
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| 21:18.18 | monode | can you please also do a "cd /lib/live/installer/target ; du -sh ." just to be safe? |
| 21:18.40 | Abator | monode, i remember, i was shown 3 partitions when i was using live debain, and when actual debain is installed there is no live partition i can see |
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| 21:19.52 | monode | you don't see the partition anymore becaue it was used by the installer and mounted somwhere else (specifically ,the /lib/live... path), I don't know about the other two though (live and windows) |
| 21:19.55 | Abator | may be i am not getting something, but i told you the thing i know |
| 21:20.16 | monode | try running the prev command, and if that's not working, try the fix-mbr procedure |
| 21:20.26 | monode | it was given to you by a bot in a separate window in xhcat |
| 21:20.35 | Abator | ok, let me try |
| 21:20.35 | monode | it should be.. err.. on the left i think |
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| 21:20.55 | monode | i don't know how tabs are by default in debian's xchat |
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| 21:21.06 | monode | look for a flashing debhelper button or line |
| 21:21.35 | monode | sorry, i mean dpkg button or line |
| 21:21.38 | monode | dpkg is the bot |
| 21:21.39 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, monode |
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| 21:21.51 | monode | he's pretty cool |
| 21:21.53 | monode | !ping |
| 21:21.53 | dpkg | Sorry monode, you're not online. |
| 21:22.04 | monode | !quit |
| 21:22.06 | dpkg | try /quit |
| 21:22.09 | Abator | monode, i got dpkg |
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| 21:22.39 | monode | ok, he sent you a link. try following the instructions there, let us know if something is unclear |
| 21:22.57 | Abator | right |
| 21:23.22 | monode | ah, no link, nevermind |
| 21:23.34 | monode | just be careful about grub-install /dev/whatever |
| 21:23.46 | monode | i think your linux partition was sda2, from lsblk, but don't take my word for it |
| 21:23.51 | Abator | oh ok |
| 21:23.59 | monode | so if it was /dev/sda2, try /dev/sda. confirm by checking sizes |
| 21:24.19 | monode | or maybe better, "df -h | grep target" |
| 21:25.08 | Abator | /dev/sda5 is the debian partition. so i will use /dev/sda |
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| 21:35.07 | Zipf | Hi, i have a fresh install of debain. I'm new user to linux world. I have a HD shared on my desktop |
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| 21:35.37 | Zipf | running widows 7, at first when i finished debian install, i could connect to my windows share, withiout samba installed via Places > Network |
| 21:36.34 | Zipf | after a restart, i cant see windows share anymore, and if i try connect to windows using alt + f2 and smb://ip i got: "Failed to retrieve share list from server" |
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| 21:36.53 | Zipf | ive been googling since yesterday, but still i can't access that share anymore |
| 21:37.10 | Zipf | i can ping windows ip over network fine |
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| 21:37.26 | jmcnaught | !enter Zipf |
| 21:37.54 | jmcnaught | oops.. Zipf it's easier for us to follow you if you don't hit <enter> so much :) |
| 21:37.54 | Zipf | !enter |
| 21:37.55 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 21:38.57 | strawbs | hey |
| 21:39.30 | strawbs | apart from the obvious buggy/crashy stuff, is the kernel from experimental considered part of debian as opposed to e.g. what comes from debian.net? |
| 21:40.13 | jmcnaught | Zipf: I don't really use smb at all, but from what I understand you only need Samba installed to share files from your computer, not to access shares on another computer. Are you using Nautilus (aka Files) in Gnome to do this? |
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| 21:42.57 | Zipf | jmcnaught ty for the answer. The point is, i really don't need share files between windows and debian, well i do, but all the time, all i need is move files from D: (the windows share) to my sdb1 on debian. I believe i was using Nautilus. when it worked i just go to Places > Network and i could see my windows share there, log in and connect, but now share there vanished, and i can't connect at all, nor even running the smb://ip cmd |
| 21:43.06 | monode | Zipf: try smb://ip |
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| 21:43.17 | monode | as a location in nautilus for example |
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| 21:43.44 | monode | oh, whoops |
| 21:43.51 | monode | you said a screen above you tried that |
| 21:43.53 | Zipf | monode i did, all i get is: Could not open location 'smb://10.0.1.2/' Failed to retrieve share listr from server |
| 21:44.05 | monode | look up cifs |
| 21:44.13 | monode | fuse.cifs or cifs iirc, apt-cache search cifs |
| 21:44.27 | monode | then you can do mount -t cifs -o ip,user,pass /mnt |
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| 21:45.52 | Zipf | i did apt-cache search cifs and got a list with several files, i can see cifs-utils there |
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| 21:46.02 | LaptopBrain | hi, i have a very old debian box that hasnt been touched since 2008 or 2009 |
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| 21:46.43 | monode | i thin cifs-utils is the right one |
| 21:46.45 | LaptopBrain | i'll soon be replacing its motherboard, ram and graphics card, is there anything that would prevent me just doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and bringing it to current? |
| 21:46.55 | LaptopBrain | or might i just as well reinstall? |
| 21:46.56 | jmcnaught | Zipf: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.windows-file-server-with-samba.html#idp19628432 <-- this part of the Debian Administrator's Handbook has instructions on mounting cifs shares |
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| 21:47.17 | Loafers | dpkg testing |
| 21:47.17 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 21:47.39 | LaptopBrain | its stable brach btw in case anyone wondders |
| 21:47.41 | LaptopBrain | -d |
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| 21:47.50 | centrx | LaptopBrain, Jumping releases is not supported. There could be problems. |
| 21:48.02 | LaptopBrain | centrx: so easier to reinstall? |
| 21:48.03 | Loafers | How do I get invited to #debian-next? |
| 21:48.15 | Zipf | ok, i'll read that part of handbook, but i have a question: Why when i did the debian fresh install, i was able to see the windows share, without samba or any other package installed, and sundely and can't see it anymore, nor even connect via smb ? |
| 21:48.17 | centrx | LaptopBrain, Probably. Otherwise, you could upgrade from release to release from wherever you are to current |
| 21:48.19 | centrx | Loafers, It's on OFTC |
| 21:48.28 | jmcnaught | Loafers: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net (not freenode) |
| 21:48.34 | teraflop | LaptopBrain: you men it was stable branch |
| 21:48.42 | Loafers | oops. ok thanks |
| 21:48.46 | LaptopBrain | i am currently on gnome 2 on that box, wouldnt want unity or gnome 3 anyway |
| 21:48.47 | Loafers | wish they'd be consistent |
| 21:48.58 | LaptopBrain | so best to reinstall the os and go to kde or pick something else |
| 21:49.09 | centrx | Loafers, All the Debian channels are on OFTC, except this one is on both networks |
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| 21:49.55 | LaptopBrain | how many major releases have there been between 2009 and now? |
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| 21:50.12 | teraflop | i think 2009 was lenny LaptopBrain |
| 21:50.29 | abrotman | dpkg: tell LaptopBrain about release history |
| 21:51.04 | LaptopBrain | ta abrotman |
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| 21:51.22 | jmcnaught | Zipf: are any other computers able to access the shares from this Windows computer? (maybe it's a problem on the other end) |
| 21:52.08 | LaptopBrain | ok so, related question what will they do when they run out of notable toy story characters? :P |
| 21:52.46 | Zipf | jmcnaught thats the truble. I can access the share from other windwos 7 laptop, and also it works using smb from my macbook pro |
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| 21:53.12 | Zipf | i did sudo apt-get purge samba |
| 21:53.18 | Zipf | i'll try restart from the scratch |
| 21:54.52 | vook | LaptopBrain: there really are quite a few characters - they'll just use the less 'notable' ones. |
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| 22:00.51 | LaptopBrain | vook: so long as we dont get debian releases called 'green vending machine alien #492' |
| 22:00.53 | LaptopBrain | :P |
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| 22:02.18 | phy1729 | We'll have The Claw before that |
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| 22:02.53 | phy1729 | also I'm sure the Debian Project could petition Disney to make more Toy Story movies with new characters |
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| 22:03.17 | vook | we could always have Debian Barbie |
| 22:03.48 | LaptopBrain | lol |
| 22:03.54 | jmcnaught | #debian-offtopic would be a better place to discuss this |
| 22:03.58 | LaptopBrain | barbie and ken were in toy story 3 |
| 22:04.03 | LaptopBrain | :) |
| 22:04.34 | LaptopBrain | technically isnt the names of debian releases on topic? </pedantic mode> |
| 22:04.40 | LaptopBrain | :P |
| 22:05.03 | jmcnaught | !ot |
| 22:05.03 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 22:06.25 | monode | debian guy-with-black-skull-tshirt |
| 22:06.27 | monode | i'd use that |
| 22:06.30 | monode | heck, i'd *buy* that |
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| 22:11.45 | adm001mi | who has experience with gallium-cpu/gpu overheating? |
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| 22:22.20 | dioz | FUCK ISRAEL |
| 22:22.26 | jhutchins | The LGMs from the vending machine are/were squeeze (oldstable). |
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| 22:27.07 | meek_geek | 4th Gen Intel® Core⢠i3-4130 Processor works on debian ? |
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| 22:27.27 | centrx | meek_geek, Certainly |
| 22:28.14 | meek_geek | centrx, out of the box with stable ? |
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| 22:29.53 | vook | meek_geek: are you having a problem that you suspect is related to this processor? |
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| 22:30.53 | meek_geek | vook, no I am going to buy a new desktop tomorrow so wondering if it might work out of the box or not |
| 22:31.41 | vook | it'll be fine |
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| 22:31.56 | vook | (at least the processor compatibility) |
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| 22:33.50 | centrx | meek_geek, Processor always works as long as the architecture is supported. The hardware it benefits you to be careful about is the graphics card and the network card. |
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| 22:35.02 | Neobenedict | hi, i need a command line application to send an email to any address I give it, any suggestions? ssmtp doesn't look like it can do that |
| 22:35.09 | dioz | debian has no political stance? |
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| 22:36.02 | kingsley | How would you try to restore a mouse's pointer that disappeared after upgrading from stable (wheezy) to testing (jessie)? |
| 22:36.10 | meek_geek | centrx, 4th Gen Intel® Core⢠i3-4130 Processor (Dual Core, 3MB Cache, 3.40 GHz, w/HD4400 Graphics) |
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| 22:37.25 | m326 | are any other lenovo laptop users having issues with the touchpad after upgrading to linux 3.14? |
| 22:37.40 | vook | Neobenedict: "mail" can do that, as long as the receiving smtp server doesn't block your host. ssmtp should work too. |
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| 22:38.14 | Neobenedict | vook: what do I put in the 'mailhub' config option for ssmtp? |
| 22:38.27 | kingsley | For what it's worth, I seem to recall having to configure the computer to use an old version of gnome to render all characters the last time I upgraded because the computer is old and underpowered. |
| 22:39.33 | vook | Neobenedict: it's been a while since I've used ssmtp - I just use 'mail' anymore. I'll look though... |
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| 22:41.33 | vook | Neobenedict: it appears 'mailhub' should be your smtp server. |
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| 22:43.36 | Neobenedict | ssmtp: Cannot open mailhub:25 |
| 22:43.51 | vook | Neobenedict: does your server require authentication? |
| 22:43.58 | Neobenedict | no? |
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| 22:44.04 | Neobenedict | i'm sending mail, not recieving |
| 22:44.09 | vook | what is "no?" |
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| 22:44.16 | Neobenedict | i don't undrestand what you mean |
| 22:44.32 | vook | smtp servers sometimes (often actually) require authentication. |
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| 22:44.39 | Neobenedict | how do I find that out |
| 22:44.49 | dioz | by reading about Norman Finkelstein |
| 22:44.54 | Neobenedict | what is the smtp server here |
| 22:45.28 | dioz | if you want a SMTP server that has no authentication lemme know |
| 22:45.32 | dioz | i can probably hook it up |
| 22:45.40 | dioz | i knoew a few ISP's with horrible security on their SMTP |
| 22:45.41 | vook | Neobenedict: whatever your smtp server is - you'd get it from your ISP, e-mail provider, etc. |
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| 22:46.05 | Neobenedict | the server's smtp server or the email-i'm-trying-to-send-it-to's smtp server |
| 22:46.13 | dioz | i've been using this one ISP's outgoing mail server for all my spamming for the last few years |
| 22:46.21 | dioz | i've sent millions of e-mails from it |
| 22:46.25 | teraflop | zZZZzzz |
| 22:46.37 | vook | thought dioz was kicked... |
| 22:47.02 | Neobenedict | vook: you mean my server's provider will have a smtp server and I need to find this out |
| 22:47.07 | Neobenedict | sorry, i'm quite newb with this stuff |
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| 22:48.28 | vook | Neobenedict: your servers provider will have an smtp server. E.g. with gmail, when you send an e-mail, it hits gmails servers, then shoots off to the receivers smtp server (the @ portion) |
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| 22:49.17 | teraflop | afaik as i read Neobenedict do you want your isp mx do the relay of your own mailserver? |
| 22:49.53 | Neobenedict | teraflop: i just want to be able to send an email through php :P |
| 22:50.22 | Neobenedict | and also with logwatch/fail2ban/etc |
| 22:52.00 | Neobenedict | i swear i managed this before without anything to do with my provider |
| 22:52.10 | vook | Neobenedict: you may be able to just use "mail"... printf "CONTENT" | mail -s "Subject" recipient@host.com |
| 22:52.29 | teraflop | you need a mx and the proper credentials Neobenedict |
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| 22:53.16 | vook | Neobenedict: but with mail, some receiving servers may identify you as a spambot and block e-mails. All you can do is try. |
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| 22:53.58 | Neobenedict | send-mail: RCPT TO:<nope@nope.com> (550 relay not permitted) |
| 22:54.07 | vook | ah, yep |
| 22:54.31 | Neobenedict | so there is no way to just send an email without going through my provider |
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| 22:55.02 | vook | correct - some provider. You can use gmail if you like : http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-use-gmail-as-a-smarthost.html |
| 22:55.28 | Neobenedict | i'll do that then lol |
| 22:55.31 | Neobenedict | looks a bit easier |
| 22:56.04 | vook | Neobenedict: that's an old article now that I look at it more closely (2009). Not sure if google still allows this. |
| 22:56.06 | Neobenedict | i still swear there is another way |
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| 22:56.21 | Neobenedict | because I remember I could get emails to send on my old box with another provider |
| 22:56.25 | Neobenedict | sorry |
| 22:56.26 | Neobenedict | same provider |
| 22:56.38 | Neobenedict | what about postfix? |
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| 22:56.43 | surfn | hi. |
| 22:57.05 | teraflop | Neobenedict: use your own mailserver then your isp mx do the relay |
| 22:57.08 | vook | Neobenedict: you still have to give it smtp server address - always, either your own smtp server or your providers |
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| 22:57.09 | surfn | How do I find files in a specific directory? |
| 22:57.34 | surfn | more specifically, how do I find files in one directory and exclude everything else? |
| 22:57.47 | Neobenedict | how do I create my own smtp server, vook |
| 22:58.00 | Neobenedict | also can I change the outgoing port |
| 22:58.02 | Neobenedict | it might be just that |
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| 22:58.34 | nf7 | How do I update my Kernel? |
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| 22:59.19 | teraflop | grab other from the repos with your package manager nf7 |
| 22:59.35 | ckuehl | nf7: have you already added wheezy-backports to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 23:01.04 | nf7 | ckuehl: Not yet |
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| 23:02.11 | nf7 | ckuehl: Ok I added: deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 23:02.21 | ckuehl | nf7: add that, apt-get update, then you can just apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-$arch to get a crazy recent kernel |
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| 23:03.48 | oinkers | is there a working flash player for firefox besides pepperflash in chromium? |
| 23:03.55 | oinkers | or am i wasting my time |
| 23:04.09 | nf7 | ckuehl: Ok. So am I going to be killing the stability of my system by updating to a very recent kernel? |
| 23:04.40 | ckuehl | nf7: very much doubt it, the kernel is very stable, although it's possible i guess |
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| 23:04.48 | nf7 | ckuehl: Ok, thank you! |
| 23:04.52 | jmcnaught | oinkers: you wouldn't use pepperflash with Iceweasel, you could just use the flashplugin-nonfree package. I use browser-plugin-gnash with limited success |
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| 23:05.18 | oinkers | k i'll try to locate that |
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| 23:06.39 | nf7 | ckuehl: So when I run that last command, nothing happens, and I get this error: Virtual packages like 'linux-image' can |
| 23:06.43 | nf7 | 't be removed. |
| 23:07.16 | ckuehl | nf7: are you using "linux-image-amd64" or whatever your arch is? |
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| 23:07.41 | Abator | if grub bootloader fails then should i install LILO instead? |
| 23:08.12 | Abator | i am in the main menu list of debain install |
| 23:08.17 | nf7 | ckuehl: Now I am. Seems to be going. |
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| 23:08.29 | nf7 | ckuehl: Downloading 146mb. |
| 23:08.38 | dioz | c-class it is evident we flossin. |
| 23:08.50 | monode | Abator, did it fail from fix-mbr procedure |
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| 23:09.18 | monode | if yes, with what message |
| 23:09.28 | Abator | oh monode i just came back and i am ready to reboot, i noticed that there are few more steps before setup is done, |
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| 23:09.52 | monode | there aren't any, grub should be the last iirc |
| 23:09.57 | Abator | i did click on continue after grub failed but i was sent back to the main menue |
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| 23:10.09 | monode | ok |
| 23:10.23 | monode | did you try manually installing grub, by following the commands from the bot? |
| 23:10.31 | somiaj | Abator: at this point your install is complete you just need to get grub in. Seems the installer is not detething things correctly so you could try to manually install grub. |
| 23:10.35 | somiaj | !tell Abator about fixmbr |
| 23:11.02 | monode | that's what me and someone else told him earlier, and i'm trying to find out if he did i :) |
| 23:11.04 | Abator | after LILO option there is continue withithout grub" i think i should select that and continue to finish the setup |
| 23:11.05 | somiaj | oh looks like I missed some previous work already. (: |
| 23:11.12 | monode | Abator |
| 23:11.17 | Abator | yes , i am here |
| 23:11.29 | monode | did you follow the procedure dpkg told you to do? |
| 23:12.08 | Abator | oh, actually, i have written steps. just got confused with LILO. never mind . i am rebooting |
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| 23:12.22 | monode | don't reboot yet |
| 23:12.27 | Abator | ok |
| 23:12.33 | teraflop | hah |
| 23:12.37 | Abator | i am still in the setup |
| 23:12.37 | teraflop | wait! |
| 23:12.40 | oinkers | jmcnaught no luck here still blinks when full screen is enabled |
| 23:12.42 | monode | you might just screw everything! |
| 23:12.44 | monode | or not. |
| 23:12.58 | monode | just copy-paste the commands dpkg said |
| 23:13.07 | unclezipper | Can #debian help me out with icedove? |
| 23:13.09 | monode | from xchat into xterm or kterminal or gnome-terminal or whatever you are using |
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| 23:13.42 | monode | that has a pretty big chance of fixing grub |
| 23:13.49 | monode | and then you can reboot into your earlier system |
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| 23:14.35 | jmcnaught | oinkers: what did you try? if you installed something, were there any errors? |
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| 23:14.52 | oinkers | i didn't see any errors |
| 23:14.58 | unclezipper | I run my own IMAP server. Icedove locks up and says that the connection timed out when I try to read from a subfolder of my Inbox. It works fine on Roundcube |
| 23:15.08 | oinkers | mozilla plugin gnash |
| 23:15.20 | oinkers | through the synaptic package manager |
| 23:15.32 | Abator | oh ok, that means i can use alt+F2 without restart? |
| 23:15.48 | jmcnaught | oinkers: if you're talking about gnash, it's kind of choppy in fullscreen for me on youtube as well. I don't know how to fix it, but I still prefer that to using flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 23:16.03 | oinkers | k |
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| 23:16.22 | Abator | i am sorry, do, i need to use Alt+F2 or i can run command in terminal directly |
| 23:16.38 | monode | you can use a regular terminal window, like xchat |
| 23:16.47 | Abator | Thanks, i try |
| 23:16.51 | monode | but don't forget to go to superuser mode (sudo su) |
| 23:17.03 | unclezipper | jmcnaught: Youtube has HTML5 video players now, I don't have any sort of Flash installed on my laptop |
| 23:17.07 | monode | or uh.. i don't know how the live system is set up |
| 23:17.17 | Abator | monode, im already using root |
| 23:17.25 | monode | no problem then |
| 23:17.31 | Abator | ok |
| 23:17.33 | monode | just run the commands from dpkg |
| 23:17.37 | monode | and let's see if there are any errors |
| 23:17.41 | Abator | ok |
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| 23:19.24 | jmcnaught | unclezipper: i keep finding videos that don't work in HTML5.. maybe i'm just too cool for it or something. Gnash works okay enough for me |
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| 23:19.42 | Abator | monode, the 1st one = mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; there i will replace ext2 with ext4 and whatever with /dev/sda ? |
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| 23:20.20 | jmcnaught | monode: "sudo -i" instead of "sudo su" :) |
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| 23:22.12 | nf7 | ls |
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| 23:22.34 | Abator | monode, ist command is this mount -t ext4 /dev/sda/target |
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| 23:22.46 | Abator | 1st** |
| 23:22.55 | nf7 | ckuehl: Great, so I seem to be on a 2 week old Linux kernel now. THanks! When I do sudo apt-get update now, it says "the following packages have been kept back: linux-image-amd64". Is that alright? |
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| 23:23.49 | ckuehl | nf7: someone will know better than me, you can try 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and see what it suggests though |
| 23:23.51 | monode | yes, mount whatever target we found earlier |
| 23:23.56 | monode | Abator: the one with /lib/live... |
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| 23:24.10 | monode | df -h | grep live |
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| 23:24.25 | monode | and you can skip the mount, since it was already mounted iirc |
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| 23:25.03 | nf7 | ckuehl: Thanks. |
| 23:25.05 | monode | ofc, replace every occurence of /target with that path - like chroot |
| 23:25.46 | Abator | monode, please see this http://paste.debian.net/111716/ |
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| 23:28.27 | monode | this one is your target: /lib/live/installer/target |
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| 23:28.46 | Abator | ok, thanks |
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| 23:34.37 | Abator | monode, mount -t ext4 /lib/live/installer/target displayed help page, now i got confused, dont know what command to run. Sorry! |
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| 23:35.25 | monode | Abator: skip mount .../target, because we used df, which lists mount points, and concluded that .../target is already mounted |
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| 23:35.45 | monode | continue with the next command; but whatever refers to /target, replace with your /lib/live..target |
| 23:35.45 | Abator | monode, ok, got it now |
| 23:35.54 | Abator | right |
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| 23:57.59 | Methylated | please excuse my noob question. I am on a system, debian_version says "jessie/sid" - When I install npm, I get version 1.1.71. It's very old. I want the latest. What should my sources.list look like? I want the latest stable contrib and non-fee |
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| 23:58.23 | abrotman | Methylated: pastebin your sources.list |
