| 00:00.32 | Methylated | abrotman: http://pastie.org/9421431 - I'm not sure why there's wheezy mentioned, sid, and then "jessie/sid" as the debian_version instead of one version. I didn't set the system up and the person that did recently upgraded from kernel from 32 to 64 (those are the only details I have) |
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| 00:02.19 | abrotman | the person? |
| 00:02.46 | abrotman | Methylated: mixing versions of Debian leads to all sorts of problems |
| 00:03.08 | Methylated | abrotman: the server is maintained by another fellow. he did the upgrade and setup. yes I'm running through A LOT of problems.. |
| 00:03.52 | Methylated | abrotman: any help on getting things into a better state would be appreciated |
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| 00:10.09 | Stevie-O | hrm |
| 00:10.15 | Stevie-O | 7.6 is wheezy, right? |
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| 00:10.56 | zykotick9 | !tell Stevie-O about wheezy |
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| 00:11.05 | zykotick9 | Stevie-O: short answer = yes |
| 00:11.10 | Stevie-O | you could have just said 'yes', and that would have been shorter :D |
| 00:11.13 | Stevie-O | hah |
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| 00:11.23 | Stevie-O | the Wheezy (7.6) live image .torrents aren't being tracked by bttracker.debian.org |
| 00:12.42 | Stevie-O | so none of the torrents in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ work |
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| 00:13.32 | Methylated | so I want wheezy stable? my "debian_version" says "jessie/sid" - my sources.list is a mess: http://pastie.org/9421431 - what is the latest stable Debian out at the moment? can I just update my sources.list accordingly and dist-upgrade? |
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| 00:16.10 | Stevie-O | wheezy is stable, as I understand it |
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| 00:16.44 | Stevie-O | also I don't know if dist-upgrade will downgrade you |
| 00:17.02 | zykotick9 | apt doesn't deal with downgrades... |
| 00:17.08 | Methylated | ah |
| 00:17.24 | abrotman | Methylated: no, you've mixed the systems, you can't just 'upgrade', you've already made a mess |
| 00:17.31 | Stevie-O | if it's possible, you might be better off just reinstalling |
| 00:17.41 | Methylated | am I on jessie or sid? what does "jessie/sid" mean? |
| 00:17.46 | Stevie-O | it means you're on a mix |
| 00:18.37 | Methylated | sigh. OK, formatting will happen this weekend. Thanks. |
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| 00:18.45 | Stevie-O | formatting isn't really necessary |
| 00:18.45 | zykotick9 | Methylated: testing will typically report "jessie/sid", you might check "lsb_release -a" |
| 00:18.56 | Stevie-O | just reinstall |
| 00:19.00 | Stevie-O | and don't touch /home |
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| 00:19.12 | abrotman | zykotick9: so will unstable |
| 00:19.12 | Stevie-O | this is easier if you have a separate /home partition |
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| 00:19.34 | zykotick9 | abrotman: hummm, good to know thanks. |
| 00:20.19 | Methylated | nowadays I do have a separate /home partition but this server is old. it's hosting 100 active sites and it's a big mess even if I was on a single stable Debian, so there's a few reasons to wipe it clean and start over. It's all good. thanks |
| 00:20.31 | Stevie-O | ah, okay |
| 00:21.04 | Stevie-O | I saw someone mention recently that atm, jessie is a bit less stable than testing usually is? |
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| 00:22.04 | somiaj | it usually has a few periods during a testing release that are this bad. |
| 00:22.47 | Stevie-O | I assume it's related to the impending release? |
| 00:23.27 | somiaj | no it is mostly due to an abi change in xorg messing wth lots of non-fre drivers and the likes |
| 00:23.36 | somiaj | that is part of what will happen with a moving target |
| 00:23.51 | Stevie-O | ahhh |
| 00:23.59 | Stevie-O | you know |
| 00:24.29 | phealy | Methylated: I used to mess with testing a lot - then I learned that wheezy-backports (backports.debian.org) had everything from it that I wanted. |
| 00:24.55 | Stevie-O | one day all gpu drivers will be open-source and we'll all reminisce about the mess we had in these days |
| 00:25.04 | abrotman | ha! |
| 00:25.17 | Stevie-O | sort of like how computers worked before virtual memory and MMUs |
| 00:25.30 | Stevie-O | just like |
| 00:25.31 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 00:25.48 | Stevie-O | first time I ever built a kernel, I was either 12 or 14 years old, and there was no menuconfig |
| 00:25.54 | phealy | Stevie-O: would you like a unicorn or fluffy kitten with that daydream? ;) |
| 00:26.08 | Stevie-O | I must have sat there for an hour |
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| 00:26.17 | Stevie-O | Answering questions that I had absolutely no idea how to answer |
| 00:26.21 | Mstaaravi | hello guys |
| 00:26.26 | Stevie-O | hey Mstaaravi |
| 00:26.27 | Mstaaravi | happy #sysadminday |
| 00:26.31 | Mstaaravi | guys |
| 00:26.34 | Stevie-O | is it sysadmin day? |
| 00:26.45 | Mstaaravi | in Buenos Aires, we are in a party for #sysadminday |
| 00:26.50 | phealy | it is! and I'm not at work for them to not-celebrate it. |
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| 00:26.57 | Stevie-O | haha |
| 00:26.58 | Mstaaravi | and, we have a local conteste between Debian & Fedora |
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| 00:27.09 | Mstaaravi | Debian need your help with votes |
| 00:27.31 | Stevie-O | well |
| 00:27.35 | Mstaaravi | can anyone click on like on this link in FB...? |
| 00:27.36 | Mstaaravi | https://www.facebook.com/AdminFest/photos/pcb.714272311942594/714272138609278/?type=1 |
| 00:27.44 | Mstaaravi | https://www.facebook.com/AdminFest |
| 00:27.46 | Stevie-O | Debian's losing to Fedora?! |
| 00:27.57 | Stevie-O | well it could be worse |
| 00:28.00 | Stevie-O | it could be losing to Gentoo |
| 00:28.13 | Mstaaravi | almost |
| 00:28.19 | Stevie-O | it's almost losing? |
| 00:28.21 | Mstaaravi | Debian need your likes guys! |
| 00:28.24 | Mstaaravi | yep |
| 00:28.25 | Stevie-O | that would mean that it's winning |
| 00:28.58 | Stevie-O | how about mydogislickingmyface Linux |
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| 00:29.31 | Stevie-O | http://www.bbspot.com/news/2000/4/linux_distros.html |
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| 00:32.59 | strawbs | how safe are kernels from experimental? and i dont mean security vulnerabilities in the kernel itself |
| 00:33.30 | strawbs | i'm wondering about the packaging process, sounds like it auto builds trunk? |
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| 00:37.10 | abrotman | strawbs: Make sure you have backups |
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| 00:37.58 | strawbs | abrotman: heh |
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| 00:39.24 | abrotman | strawbs: wasn't a joke |
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| 00:40.20 | strawbs | abrotman: yea |
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| 00:47.14 | PerfDave | waves |
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| 00:50.34 | abrotman | throws fish at PerfDave |
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| 00:53.57 | tpw_rules | can i set the version of a library in pkg-config's mind? i've built one from source but the stupid configure script of another doesn't consider trunk > 0.0.8 |
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| 00:54.43 | phealy | tpw_rules set the version of the package before you build it? I usually use checkinstall and just set the version appropriately high. |
| 00:55.12 | tpw_rules | tries that |
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| 00:56.52 | tpw_rules | yeah, that seems to be better. i could've thought of that :P |
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| 00:59.14 | PerfDave | I'm on a Debian Jessie system using network-manager. How can I tell what version of 802.11 (b, g, n) it's currently using? /var/log/daemon.log and iwconfig don't tell me much of use. |
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| 00:59.35 | Amarande | hrm, anyone happen to know what the KDE equivalent to gparted is? |
| 01:00.05 | jmcnaught | Amarande: gparted will work under KDE |
| 01:01.04 | phealy | PerfDave: iwconfig's first line of output should say something like eth1 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"whatever" |
| 01:01.11 | Amarande | ah, it doesn't need that many deps, good |
| 01:01.18 | jmcnaught | Amarande: "apt-cache search kde partition" suggests kvpm |
| 01:01.22 | Amarande | I was afraid it would insist on pulling the entirety of gnome or something like that :p |
| 01:01.37 | PerfDave | phealy: Yeah, it says "802.11bgn" but doesn't state which of those it's using. |
| 01:01.39 | Amarande | I have had individual GTK+ applications on debian surprise me like that before, sadly. :( |
| 01:01.51 | phealy | perfdave: then it's using 2.4gHz N |
| 01:02.04 | Amarande | If you're above 54Mbps, you're on N |
| 01:02.05 | phealy | perfdave: or falling back and forth depending on speed |
| 01:02.14 | Amarande | I"m not sure there's a really easy way to tell if you're at or below G speeds though |
| 01:02.54 | PerfDave | phealy: Fair enough, I wasn't sure whether that was telling me it was using n, or capable of it. |
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| 01:03.32 | PerfDave | tickles abrotman |
| 01:03.33 | phealy | perfdave: I believe it will say g if it's not working in N mode. you could try setting your router to G only and see |
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| 01:06.26 | jmcnaught | PerfDave: I think network-manager just got a new upstream version in Jessie that has a bunch of changes. I've seen people talking about it in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, so the people there might have a better idea how to help you :) |
| 01:06.40 | abrotman | uhm .. he already has an answer? |
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| 01:07.48 | Stevie-O | okay, this is odd... I have a machine here that can't get a DHCP address, despite apparently having a working link |
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| 01:08.24 | jmcnaught | sorry i missed that |
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| 01:12.35 | abrotman | PerfDave: /sbin/iwlist wlan0 rate |
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| 01:14.06 | PerfDave | phealy: I set my router to g only and reconnected, still says bgn :( |
| 01:14.24 | abrotman | PerfDave: That text is the identifier .. |
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| 01:14.40 | abrotman | iwlist will show the connected rate, might be more useful ? |
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| 01:15.25 | abrotman | Though, that shows the rate, not the connection level, so a poor 11n connection might appear to be an 11g ? |
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| 01:21.44 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yeah, I can try to guess from the rate, I just thought there'd be something more definitive. |
| 01:22.11 | PerfDave | abrotman: Anyway, seems my problem is with my upstream, not with my wifi :/ |
| 01:22.17 | abrotman | PerfDave: the wireless channel may know |
| 01:22.21 | abrotman | uh, #wireless channel |
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| 01:40.37 | oinkers | yeah hopefully firefox does something with flash in the near future |
| 01:40.41 | oinkers | that works |
| 01:40.53 | abrotman | Okay, have a nice day |
| 01:41.38 | oinkers | got chrome and pepper flash to install on laptop but no luck on desktop |
| 01:42.05 | abrotman | waits for the actual question |
| 01:42.09 | oinkers | desktop amd64 and laptop using the i386 debian wheezys |
| 01:43.04 | oinkers | kind of wondering why it installs on laptop and not on desktop |
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| 01:44.24 | abrotman | Do oyu have an error? |
| 01:44.30 | oinkers | nope |
| 01:44.44 | oinkers | about:plugins and it's never listed |
| 01:44.56 | oinkers | iceweasel it's there |
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| 01:47.29 | Shurtagul | Is there a way to make vlc play youtube videos at a lower quality? Or better, is there a CLI tool to play youtube videos to a video player? |
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| 01:48.00 | Stevie-O | hey, which video cards have the best support? (i.e. no binary blobs/modules) |
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| 01:48.35 | Stevie-O | so I guess I mean graphics chipset |
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| 01:52.35 | abrotman | Stevie-O: intel or amd |
| 01:52.54 | Stevie-O | well in modern Core chipsets the intel one comes for free |
| 01:53.05 | abrotman | engrish |
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| 01:59.44 | zykotick9 | Stevie-O: fyi, amd/ati needs non-free blob for 3d support |
| 02:00.03 | Stevie-O | mmmh |
| 02:00.08 | Stevie-O | okay |
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| 02:47.33 | nf | Can I install the proprietary Nvidia graphics card drivers through the software repos on Debian? I'm guessing no? |
| 02:48.32 | nf | I'm thinking about buying an Nvidia graphics card, and I'm concerned about it being a pain to reinstall the drivers every time the kernel gets updated. |
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| 02:52.42 | somiaj | nf: yes you can, the nvidia drivers are provided though debian non-free and it is suggested you use those over the ones from nvidia as they are designe dto work with a debian system |
| 02:53.11 | somiaj | nf: the dkms packages make the module part fairly easy and it should happen automatically with kernel upgrades |
| 02:54.16 | nf | somiaj: Excellent. Will it always work like this? Nvidia isn't just going to up and stop supporting Linux completely one day are they? |
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| 02:54.54 | abrotman | nf: we can't answer that .. they're proprietary drivers, we don't have the source |
| 02:55.04 | abrotman | cna't imagine so .. but up to them |
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| 02:55.51 | nf | alright |
| 02:55.56 | nf | what graphics cards do you guys use? |
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| 03:02.40 | PerfDave | nf: More importantly, nVidia tend to only provide proprietary Linux drivers for more recent cards. One of my old cards is no longer supported, for example. So even if they keep providing proprietary Linux drivers, they might drop support for your model. |
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| 03:18.55 | atannus | I'm trying Debian on new hardware and it is not working. Wheezy can't configure network (dhcp fails). Sid can, but fails to install the packages, forcing me to abort. i7 on Asus H81M-C/BR. How can I find out if this motherboard is supported? |
| 03:19.56 | atannus | I checked wiki pages InstallDebianOn/... but they don't contain a lot of information. At least not for Asus boards... |
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| 03:21.03 | jmcnaught | atannus: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ on this website you can paste in the output of "lspci -n" and it will try to give you relevant results for wheezy |
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| 03:21.07 | atannus | Google doesn't return any usefull information either... I'm considering going back to the store and replacing the hardware for something else, but thougbt I'd sanity check first. |
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| 03:21.47 | atannus | jmcnaught: I run that on a shell from the installer? |
| 03:25.22 | jmcnaught | atannus: the installer ought to have lspci.. or you could do 'lspci -nn| grep -iE "Ethernet|Network"' and tell us the pciid (it will look like [abed:1235]) |
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| 03:27.00 | atannus | jmcnaught: is this not known from the brand/model? |
| 03:27.09 | abrotman | no |
| 03:27.14 | atannus | jmcnaught: or are you trying to rule out faulty hardware? |
| 03:27.26 | abrotman | manufacturers sometimes change the precise PCIID mid-run |
| 03:27.41 | jmcnaught | atannus: i was planning on asking a robot about your pciid to be honest |
| 03:28.04 | atannus | I see. Well, I'll try to get a shell on the thing... |
| 03:28.24 | atannus | jmcnaught: ? |
| 03:28.54 | atannus | jmcnaught: Is that sarcasm or am I missing something? |
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| 03:29.32 | jmcnaught | atannus: we have a bot that looks up pciids |
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| 03:33.26 | atannus | jmcnaught: Well, the machine is behind a nat. |
| 03:33.33 | atannus | jmcnaught: I could expose it... |
| 03:34.41 | jmcnaught | atannus: i don't know what that has to do with it. lspci tells you about PCI devices on your computer, like your network card. If you give us the PCI-ID of your network card, maybe we can figure out if wheezy has a module for it, or needs a firmware perhaps. |
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| 03:35.10 | jmcnaught | atannus: Alt-F2 in the installer should bring you to a new console |
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| 03:37.02 | Neobenedict | I'm compiling pound and gtting this: http://pastebin.com/QGwLYd2d |
| 03:37.08 | Neobenedict | libssl-dev is installed, any help? |
| 03:38.09 | atannus | jmcnaught: I'm staring at the output thinking how to copy/paste it... |
| 03:38.49 | atannus | I'm networked, so I can send it somewhere but I only know high level ways of doing that such as scp, ssh, none of which work. |
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| 03:39.35 | jmcnaught | atannus: really only need the nine characters in the pciid that should look like [abce:1234] |
| 03:39.51 | jmcnaught | Neobenedict: why not use the Debian package? |
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| 03:40.42 | Akiva-Thinkpad | hey I have a deb file downloaded. How do I install it from the terminal? |
| 03:40.55 | Akiva-Thinkpad | sudo apt install packagename.deb isn't finding it |
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| 03:41.50 | educated_idiot | does anyone actually use debian's qt-sdk in production? or it just there to manage dependencies for building third party qt etc? |
| 03:42.05 | educated_idiot | there are alot of debian packages like that, if I should download the sdk from source, I will, but I'm not sure about that yet (new to qt), and I want to distribute to debian at some point |
| 03:43.00 | jmcnaught | Akiva-Thinkpad: the Debian Reference recommends against installing individually downloaded packages if you're a beginner and still learning Debian, and sticking to the packages available from the Debian repositories. It has instructions for what you're trying to do, you could also read the man page for "dpkg" and look for how to use that command to install packages |
| 03:43.03 | Akiva-Thinkpad | educated_idiot, I use the sdk |
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| 03:43.38 | Akiva-Thinkpad | educated_idiot, or rather, the "Ubuntu sdk". I don't know of any "Debian SDK" |
| 03:44.12 | Akiva-Thinkpad | educated_idiot, and in regards to the source; I'd subscribe to the developer's ppa; the updates are like every other day. it is always very current. |
| 03:44.53 | Akiva-Thinkpad | jmcnaught, in this case, its an old thinkpad program not avail in the repos anymore. it helps make the trackpoint more sensitive, which is a must |
| 03:45.07 | jmcnaught | Akiva-Thinkpad: educated_idiot: PPAs are for Ubuntu, and packages for Ubuntu is often incompatible with Debian. Not recommended to use PPAs. |
| 03:45.41 | Akiva-Thinkpad | jmcnaught, oh sorry; I did not know that :| Sorry for the bad advice! |
| 03:45.44 | atannus | jmcnaught: The value for Ethernet|Network [10ec:8168] |
| 03:46.05 | jmcnaught | ,pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 03:46.06 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 03:46.33 | atannus | jmcnaught: But like I said, Testing gets past network, but still does not install. |
| 03:46.44 | educated_idiot | Akiva-Thinkpad: thx |
| 03:47.13 | Akiva-Thinkpad | educated_idiot, still; speaking for myself; the ubuntu sdk is great for qt and qml, and good for c++ |
| 03:47.20 | Akiva-Thinkpad | Geany I use for everything else |
| 03:47.34 | Neobenedict | jmcnaught: yeah I will then |
| 03:47.44 | Neobenedict | no point bothering myself further with this compiling |
| 03:47.45 | Akiva-Thinkpad | educated_idiot, what you get with the ubuntu sdk over qtcreator, is a test app for qml, which is very handy |
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| 03:48.12 | Akiva-Thinkpad | just find "Showcase" in the menu, and it will open the project and show all the jazz that qml can offer |
| 03:48.16 | Akiva-Thinkpad | super fun language :) |
| 03:48.46 | jmcnaught | atannus: I don't know why Jessie can't install.. it could have broken packages right now. It's constantly in flux at the point. Which Wheezy installer image are you using? |
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| 03:50.55 | atannus | jmcnaught: CD1 and NetInstall |
| 03:51.04 | atannus | Tried both, stable and testing. |
| 03:51.33 | atannus | jmcnaught: I need to decide if I go back to the store and exchange for "older" hardware... |
| 03:51.58 | jmcnaught | atannus: And are you connected over ethernet or wifi? At the point that network is failing in Wheezy installer, you could try going to tty4 (alt-f4) to see the detailed output, there could be an error that might yield a clue |
| 03:52.24 | atannus | jmcnaught: eth |
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| 03:52.39 | jmcnaught | atannus: from what I understand the Jessie installers are for testing the new installer version, not for installing Jessie. The recommended way to install Jessie is install Wheezy first then upgrade. |
| 03:53.11 | atannus | jmcnaught: I know, but I can't install Wheezy... |
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| 03:53.26 | atannus | Well, I can, with no network... I can't upgrade then... |
| 03:53.27 | Akiva-Thinkpad | E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'libgnomeui-2.0' <<<< how do I download old packages? |
| 03:54.41 | jmcnaught | atannus: that ethernet card is supported by Wheezy so we can troubleshoot. Either finish the install without networking and can trouble shoot after the install, or during the install look for errors on tty4 when the network configuration fails. |
| 03:55.28 | atannus | jmcnaught: So if the network is not working there is a possibility the network port is burned, correct? |
| 03:56.08 | jmcnaught | atannus: probably not.. didn't you say that at least the networking part worked in the jessie installer? |
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| 03:56.28 | donofrio | how would you make this blend in? http://picpaste.com/pics/IMG_20140725_162348-E3GPMR50.1406346812.jpg |
| 03:56.50 | atannus | jmcnaught: There was a Wheezy installation on a partition that booted and worked fine, even though it is from the old hardware, it ran fine one the new one. When I tried to install fresh to the new drive (ssh), it failed, so I started singleing out what was wrong and I'm down to the motherboard with no peripherals. |
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| 03:57.00 | abrotman | donofrio: how is that related to Debian? |
| 03:57.30 | donofrio | my bad wrong tab |
| 03:57.38 | atannus | jmcnaught: network fails to autoconf on Wheezy, works on Jessie. |
| 03:58.12 | jmcnaught | atannus: and now for the third time i'm suggesting you tell us if there are any relevant errors on tty4 at the stage of the wheezy installer where networking fails |
| 03:58.39 | atannus | jmcnaught: I'm working on that. ;) |
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| 04:05.09 | atannus | jmcnaught: I'm now stuck on a reboot loop that flashes "Machine Check Error" |
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| 04:07.25 | jmcnaught | atannus: beetlejuice! beetlejuice! beetlejuice! I don't know what that error is, is that with or without install media inserted? If it's happening during POST or before the boot loader, maybe try to get into the BIOS or EFI or whatever it's called these days. Or take it back and say it was like that when you got it? |
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| 04:08.50 | atannus | jmcnaught: heh... asus splash, beep, The line "Machine Check Error" on a black screen, rinse, repeat. |
| 04:09.04 | atannus | ad infinitum. |
| 04:09.54 | atannus | I can get into the bios, change stuff, save, etc, nothing changes... tried factory defaults, no luck... I think I have my hands on bad hardware, particularly a bad motherf...board. |
| 04:10.21 | shingouz | sounds like something strange with the post, more likely something fscked up on the hardware. you *might* want to check if the asus gives out some beep codes like ibm's do/did |
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| 04:11.00 | jmcnaught | atannus: if it were me it would be break time, both for the computer and all humans involved. Leave it off for a few minutes, go for a walk maybe? Try again in a little while, if it still does that then take it back. |
| 04:11.01 | atannus | shingouz: It is the same beep as when it booted "fine". |
| 04:11.17 | shingouz | ah... so no beep codes. suckage. |
| 04:11.38 | atannus | shingouz: You never know what they mean... |
| 04:12.39 | shingouz | atannus: the ibm beep codes? they can be found easily with google, less easily from my desk drawer on some piece of obscure documentation |
| 04:14.51 | jmcnaught | atannus: if you do get back into the Wheezy installer, you might try using "Expert mode" which is under "Advanced". It asks a lot more questions (most of which the defaults are fine) but also gives you the option of configuring networking manually instead of by DHCP |
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| 04:20.42 | atannus | jmcnaught: I just got past the bios (pulled out one of the mem modules and it got going). |
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| 04:22.05 | shingouz | has a feeling a memtest might be in order |
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| 04:23.44 | atannus | jmcnaught: Ok, I'm at the Wheezy CD1 installer "[!!] Configure the network" screen with the message "Network autoconfiguration failed", dhcp is down or slow, yadda yadda (not the case). |
| 04:23.54 | atannus | jmcnaught: I only have option "Continue". |
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| 04:24.45 | jmcnaught | atannus: it's up to you, you could finish the install without networking, and troubleshoot that after the reboot. Or you could restart the installer in expert mode and try manual network configuration. |
| 04:25.15 | atannus | I'm looking at tty4, but this is alien to me. |
| 04:26.06 | atannus | udhcpc has been called with an unknown param: lease fail |
| 04:27.47 | atannus | jmcnaught: which do you think is more promissing: expert mode (I'm no expert) or manual network? |
| 04:28.08 | TyrfingMjolnir | go back and set up network manually? |
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| 04:28.29 | TyrfingMjolnir | manual network should do the trick |
| 04:28.49 | TyrfingMjolnir | expert usually only asks anoying questions that you do not want to answer |
| 04:29.02 | atannus | TyrfingMjolnir: and I should pick an IP or leave it blank? The dhcp is not working, so I'm guessing pick one... |
| 04:29.43 | TyrfingMjolnir | Pick one that matches your current LAN |
| 04:29.45 | TyrfingMjolnir | or WAN |
| 04:29.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | or whatever you are working on |
| 04:30.01 | TyrfingMjolnir | Where is your NIC connected? |
| 04:30.16 | atannus | router... |
| 04:30.33 | TyrfingMjolnir | and? |
| 04:30.37 | TyrfingMjolnir | What kind of router? |
| 04:30.48 | TyrfingMjolnir | your router is not giving you dhcp? |
| 04:31.47 | atannus | TyrfingMjolnir: router and dhcp are fine. |
| 04:31.48 | shingouz | atannus: if you configure your network manually, you need to know your gateway, dns and a free ip you can assign for the box. lets say your gateway is 192.168.1.1, your ip should be 192.168.1.x where x is available and under 255 |
| 04:32.04 | TyrfingMjolnir | Perhaps broken ethernet cable? |
| 04:32.11 | jmcnaught | ahh.. i didn't realize that non-expert mode has the option for configuring network manually (dhcp never fails for me and it just blasts through it) |
| 04:32.12 | atannus | TyrfingMjolnir: nope... Already checked. |
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| 04:32.37 | atannus | jmcnaught: it does... I put a valid ip for my network, its asking for host name... |
| 04:32.39 | TyrfingMjolnir | What is the IP address of your router? |
| 04:32.47 | atannus | 192.168.0.1 |
| 04:32.55 | shingouz | atannus: also, the expert install does not ask "annoying questions", it just lets you configure everything yourself. mostly the defaults are ok, basically a chicken could sit and peck at the enter |
| 04:32.57 | atannus | TyrfingMjolnir: do you want the wan adr? |
| 04:33.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | which IP will you use for this debian install? |
| 04:33.03 | TyrfingMjolnir | Nah |
| 04:33.14 | TyrfingMjolnir | 192.168.0.200? |
| 04:33.18 | atannus | 66 |
| 04:33.23 | TyrfingMjolnir | OK |
| 04:33.29 | TyrfingMjolnir | 192.168.0.66 |
| 04:33.29 | atannus | how is that relevant? |
| 04:33.33 | TyrfingMjolnir | 255.255.255.0 |
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| 04:33.39 | atannus | TyrfingMjolnir: yep,. |
| 04:33.41 | TyrfingMjolnir | Well then you can set it up manually |
| 04:33.51 | atannus | yep, done. |
| 04:34.08 | atannus | should I put a domain name? |
| 04:35.16 | shingouz | atannus: if you have a real domain, you could conceivably use that but basically anything seems to work |
| 04:35.33 | atannus | Setting up the clock from network time server took a bit... I'm at the partitioner now. |
| 04:35.44 | shingouz | ...just leave the top level out if you use "anything"... |
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| 04:36.59 | atannus | Ok, should I install to the ssd (brand new kingston drive, which I'm not sure isn't the problem) or a regular metal disk? |
| 04:37.15 | atannus | Both Wheezy and Jessie failed to install on both disks. |
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| 04:38.40 | atannus | Installing base system... |
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| 04:39.15 | TyrfingMjolnir | debian.atannus.lan |
| 04:39.20 | atannus | Can I test network at this point?? |
| 04:39.29 | atannus | (while installing?) |
| 04:39.45 | TyrfingMjolnir | hostname: atannus |
| 04:39.51 | TyrfingMjolnir | network: atannus.lan |
| 04:39.54 | TyrfingMjolnir | for example |
| 04:40.27 | atannus | ohhhh, tty4 dumps it all for me to see. |
| 04:40.45 | shingouz | captivating, isn't it? :p |
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| 04:40.58 | atannus | shingouz: how can I scroll up? |
| 04:41.22 | shingouz | shift+pgup or shift+uparrow |
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| 04:41.56 | atannus | It is asking me if I want to use a network mirror. |
| 04:42.05 | shingouz | yes you do |
| 04:42.15 | atannus | shingouz: but I'm not sure network is working... |
| 04:42.23 | atannus | How can I test it?? |
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| 04:42.39 | shingouz | atannus: ping something in tty2 |
| 04:43.03 | atannus | shingouz: I tried that, its blank |
| 04:43.32 | shingouz | as in no replies from the ping? no console? |
| 04:43.55 | atannus | shingouz: ping: bad address 'www.google.com' |
| 04:44.19 | shingouz | hmm.. try pinging 8.8.4.4 |
| 04:45.01 | atannus | ping 8.8.4.4 (8.8.4.4) 56 data bytes, and nothing else. |
| 04:45.06 | shingouz | atannus: if that does not work, ping your router |
| 04:45.06 | atannus | is that expected? |
| 04:45.18 | jmcnaught | atannus: probably not.. didn't you say that at least the networking part worked in the jessie installer? |
| 04:45.44 | atannus | jmcnaught: Yes but this is not jessie, it is wheezy. |
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| 04:45.57 | shingouz | sounds like you configured the host address but forgot to tell the installer about the gateway and dns |
| 04:46.13 | atannus | shingouz: the installer didn't ask. ;) |
| 04:46.28 | atannus | Or it did... the gateway is the router ip, no? |
| 04:46.42 | jmcnaught | atannus: sorry that was a screen reattach keyboard failure :/ |
| 04:46.45 | shingouz | atannus: ok, been a loooong time since i last did a normal install |
| 04:47.11 | shingouz | atannus: yes, the router ip should sit as the gateway. can you ping the router with its ip? |
| 04:47.22 | Artemis3 | shingouz, lots of questions are not asked but assumed, i always end using expert :3 |
| 04:48.02 | jmcnaught | yeah I always use expert mode too, but most of the time i'm cloning VMs or using debootstrap |
| 04:48.10 | shingouz | Artemis3: i usually do a debootstrap or simply just clone some old install on the new hardware |
| 04:48.15 | atannus | shingouz: no response. |
| 04:48.34 | shingouz | atannus: ifconfig |
| 04:48.59 | atannus | shingouz: command not found |
| 04:49.23 | shingouz | wtf? it should be there. |
| 04:49.39 | atannus | At least I can feel good about myself for having tried many of these things before I came here. |
| 04:49.57 | atannus | shingouz: we're not done isntalling.... But I agree, I'd expect it'd be there. |
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| 04:50.39 | shingouz | atannus: i think busybox should have that sitting in the binary. i mean, that is a pretty basic thing |
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| 04:51.34 | atannus | The chasm between expectations and reality is not negligible. |
| 04:52.15 | jmcnaught | atannus: ifconfig is not available on the installer it seems, but ip is |
| 04:52.21 | atannus | shingouz: At least with Jessie we get network, but from what jmcnaught said I can't trust the jessie installer itself isn't failing, correct? |
| 04:53.18 | atannus | jmcnaught: ok, what should I get from ip? |
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| 04:53.55 | shingouz | thinks lack of ifconfig on the installer should be classified as a bug |
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| 04:54.54 | atannus | Ok, it's scanning the mirrors (taking forever or course). |
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| 04:55.04 | atannus | "Bad archive mirror". |
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| 04:55.11 | js134 | after installing linux 3.14 the touchpad on my laptop is not working properly. does anyone know how i can determine why and fix it? |
| 04:55.40 | jmcnaught | shingouz: ifconfig has been deprecated for a long time no? |
| 04:55.43 | atannus | So "continue without a mirror" it is. |
| 04:56.01 | shingouz | it has? goes to show i am out of the loop |
| 04:56.11 | shingouz | atannus: just pick another repository |
| 04:56.31 | atannus | shingouz: ? There is no network... |
| 04:56.41 | atannus | shingouz: whta good would that do? |
| 04:57.11 | somiaj | js134: what version of debian are you running and how did you install the 3.14 kernel? |
| 04:57.17 | js134 | you are supposed to use ip instead of ifconfig |
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| 04:57.18 | shingouz | lemmesee how to work this "ip" thingie first. lets get the network running |
| 04:57.19 | atannus | Debian desktop env and Standard system utils... picking both. |
| 04:57.31 | js134 | somiaj: 7.6, and through backports |
| 04:58.18 | jmcnaught | atannus: This link shows "ip" equivalents to some ifconfig commands. http://www.tty1.net/blog/2010/ifconfig-ip-comparison_en.html |
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| 05:00.42 | jmcnaught | i think for configuring the route it'll be "ip route add 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0 && ip router add default via 192.168.0.1" (assuming 192.168.0.1 is your router like you said above) |
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| 05:01.26 | jmcnaught | (sorry there's an extra 'r' on the second ip route command... also /etc/resolv.conf might need to be set up |
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| 05:02.44 | veek | what's the cmd for snmpwalk on wheezy |
| 05:02.50 | veek | apt-file doesn't find it |
| 05:03.01 | atannus | jmcnaught: there's a line: inet 192.168.0.66/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0 |
| 05:03.41 | jmcnaught | atannus: where/when does it say that? |
| 05:03.55 | atannus | jmcnaught: lat line of the output of ip addr show |
| 05:04.05 | somiaj | js134: two things I would look at, first compare the module list (lsmod) form the kernel that works and the one that dosen't. Also check in both dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors/info/warnings about your pointer device. |
| 05:04.14 | atannus | I'm done installing, rebooting. |
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| 05:05.42 | jmcnaught | atannus: If this system will always be connected by ethernet you could look here for instructions on configuring /etc/network/interfaces https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration or will you be using NetworkManager? |
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| 05:06.12 | atannus | jmcnaught: I don't know... |
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| 05:06.47 | atannus | jmcnaught: This is my workstation, it is a fixed desktop pc with fixed ip. |
| 05:07.29 | jmcnaught | atannus: if it's a desktop with ethernet you might as well configure it with /etc/network/interfaces following the instructions in the wiki link above. "man interfaces" also has more info |
| 05:07.38 | js134 | somiaj: thank you i'll do that |
| 05:07.53 | js134 | it has worked for all kernels i've tried 3.2 - 3.13 |
| 05:08.26 | atannus | Ok, I'm at the prompt, ping doesn't work still but I do have an IP. |
| 05:08.42 | atannus | jmcnaught: you said I need to set a route, is that it? |
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| 05:09.44 | jmcnaught | atannus: you've rebooted into the fresh install? look at the wiki link i gave you. You could try configuring it for DHCP again, or a static IP. Both options are in those instructions :) |
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| 05:10.12 | atannus | jmcnaught: cool, will do. |
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| 05:10.29 | atannus | jmcnaught: how about the command you suggested? Should I try that first? |
| 05:10.34 | atannus | I don't know what it does. |
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| 05:11.08 | jmcnaught | atannus: now that you're installed i would configure the interfaces file and use ifup and ifdown |
| 05:12.26 | somiaj | js134: well then try to figure out what is different. (: |
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| 05:26.53 | atannus | When I ping anothermachine by ip I get "Destination host unreachable". |
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| 05:28.22 | veek | what's the cmd for snmpwalk on wheezy |
| 05:28.24 | veek | apt-file doesn't find it |
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| 05:34.23 | jmcnaught | veek: "apt-file search bin/snmpwalk" says it's in the "snmp" package |
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| 05:35.51 | jmcnaught | atannus: how have you configured your network? |
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| 05:36.14 | veek | deathstar> apt-file search bin/snmpwalk |
| 05:36.15 | veek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:38.30 | jmcnaught | veek: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/snmp/filelist ----- i don't know what's wrong with your apt-file but it's clearly there |
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| 05:40.24 | wulong_ | hello. Have anybody used no-ip ddns on debian? |
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| 05:41.18 | atannus | jmcnaught: according to your post. |
| 05:41.28 | atannus | jmcnaught: I then tried to manualy configure it for dhcp. |
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| 05:42.14 | atannus | Im comparing /etc/network/interfaces files between different wheezy installs and they're all the same. |
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| 05:42.51 | atannus | When I put an IP in it, I "get" the ip in ifconfig but can't ping or get pinged. |
| 05:43.30 | atannus | This stinks of driver... |
| 05:44.01 | peterS | atannus: maybe not. can you paste the output of 'ip addr' and 'ip route' ? and then what are you trying to ping? |
| 05:44.13 | peterS | (I mean, don't paste them here, paste them on a paste site) |
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| 05:45.25 | atannus | peterS: a bit hard to paste prompt output with no internet, but ip route returneed blank. |
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| 05:45.43 | atannus | ip addr returns 2 sections? lo: and eth0: |
| 05:46.00 | jmcnaught | atannus: in addition to peterS's suggestion you could also look in /var/log/syslog for errors from dhclient |
| 05:46.22 | peterS | atannus: so, um, ok, "ip a" should say "inet a.b.c.d/e" under eth0 |
| 05:46.51 | peterS | atannus: that'll tell us the address and netmask, then you just need to know what you're trying to ping so we can tell whether it's covered by the netmask |
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| 05:47.49 | atannus | peterS: are you aware of the context of this conversation? |
| 05:48.04 | peterS | <atannus> When I ping anothermachine by ip I get "Destination host unreachable". |
| 05:48.06 | atannus | peterS: just to be sure you're not underestimating the problem. |
| 05:48.09 | peterS | that's as far as I scrolled up |
| 05:48.54 | atannus | peterS: ok, I'm trying to figure out why I don't have netwroking via dhcp on brand new hardware. Fails on Wheezy, works on Jessie. |
| 05:49.04 | jmcnaught | peterS: atannus also could not get DHCP to work in the installer and installed without network, is trying to do it now. It could still be DHCP problems that we might learn about in the logs, or the /etc/network/interfaces is not correct perhaps |
| 05:49.16 | peterS | ah, quite so |
| 05:49.22 | atannus | jmcnaught: nothing in the logs. |
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| 05:49.46 | jmcnaught | atannus: "grep dhclient /var/log/syslog" |
| 05:49.53 | peterS | atannus: does the eth0 section in 'ip a' say "UP" as one of the flags in the < > brackets? |
| 05:50.08 | peterS | for example <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> |
| 05:50.20 | atannus | peterS: it says DOWN. |
| 05:50.22 | jmcnaught | atannus: also did you do "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" after changing the interfaces file? |
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| 05:50.41 | atannus | jmcnaught: no, just service networking restart. |
| 05:50.42 | peterS | ok so DOWN would be why 'ip route' is empty, anyway |
| 05:51.08 | atannus | peterS: so we now know that eth0 is... off? |
| 05:51.17 | peterS | atannus: do you have eth0 on an 'auto' or 'allow-hotplug' line in /etc/network/interfaces? if so, which one? (I don't fully understand allow-hotplug so I tend to use auto) |
| 05:51.24 | peterS | yes, it's off. we don't know _why_ yet. |
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| 05:51.55 | jmcnaught | atannus: "service networking restart" probably told you it was deprecated. use ifdown and ifup instead |
| 05:52.23 | atannus | peterS: In interfaces I have: auto lo, iface lo inet loopback, allow-hotplug eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp where the commas are new lines. |
| 05:52.37 | atannus | jmcnaught: it did. |
| 05:53.02 | peterS | atannus: ok so 'service networking restart' probably doesn't touch the allow-hotplug thing. so an explicit ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 would probably help |
| 05:54.24 | jmcnaught | atannus: after "ifup eth0" if you still have no networking, do "grep dhclient /var/log/syslog" |
| 05:55.25 | atannus | jmcnaught: I ran ifup eth0 and it is ended with: no dchpoffers received, no working leases in persistent database, sleeping |
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| 05:55.51 | atannus | the dhcp *is* working, I've reset it and all my other machines and devices get ips. |
| 05:56.02 | peterS | atannus: meanwhile does 'dmesg | grep eth0' show that your link came up, or anything? |
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| 05:56.50 | atannus | It says link down, link is not ready |
| 05:57.33 | peterS | atannus: interesting. check your actual physical cable? is there a status LED on the ethernet port? is there one on the switch? Can you tell that it is physically OK? |
| 05:58.24 | peterS | modern ethernet cards should have no trouble telling the kernel when they get a link beat, so dmesg normally reports this unless you force the link down intentionally |
| 05:58.39 | atannus | lemme reset the files to the originals and reboot... I`ve changed so much I'm no longer sure whats what. |
| 05:59.02 | vimel | nvidia driver is back. ty to all involved. |
| 05:59.50 | atannus | I'm online. |
| 06:00.01 | atannus | wtf... now I don't know what fixed it. |
| 06:00.10 | peterS | atannus: yeah, weird. well, glad something did (: |
| 06:00.32 | atannus | whatever it was. how do I setup the mirrors now? |
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| 06:01.27 | peterS | oh you mean like what debian-installer normally does during install if you have a network available? I'm not sure, I just manually put in generic mirror urls in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:01.53 | atannus | peterS: thought so... |
| 06:02.23 | peterS | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main would be the main ones. (no pun intended.) Substitute your favorite country code for '.us' |
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| 06:03.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i got a bunch of stat drives on my server, and they dont seem to be showing up under /ev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 06:03.48 | peterS | stat drives? |
| 06:03.51 | jmcnaught | atannus: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList has a reasonable example that uses the http.debian.net redirector |
| 06:03.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | do i need to instalize them or smething they are brand new |
| 06:03.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | sata lol |
| 06:04.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | i see them in /dev/sd? |
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| 06:04.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got a bunch of the dm things |
| 06:04.49 | peterS | Eryn_1983_FL: ahhh. by-uuid I think is for partitions, not whole disks. see /dev/disk/by-id for whole disks |
| 06:05.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 06:05.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to setup a zfds |
| 06:05.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | zfs pool so i am newbie, i am following these directions, so it said uuid lol |
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| 06:06.28 | peterS | I don't know enough about zfs, or zfs on linux, to know whether it works better with partitions, or whole disks. but yeah, if you need /dev/disk/by-uuid then you need a partition table and at least one partition of a type that has a UUID |
| 06:07.14 | unclezipper | peterS: It works better on entire disks |
| 06:07.48 | peterS | that sounds right. zfs is too great for your puny partition tables, just as it is too great for your hardware RAID |
| 06:08.03 | peterS | or your puny MD or LVM layers, for that matter |
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| 06:09.18 | unclezipper | One of my friends says that since the PowerPC/IBM POWER architectures are related, Linux might run on it. This doesn't sound quite right to me. Does anybody know anything about this? |
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| 06:10.01 | peterS | unclezipper: POWER refers to a whole range of architectures. POWER and POWER2 came before PowerPC and Linux was never ported to them, I believe. POWER3 and above _are_ based on PowerPC, so yes. |
| 06:10.24 | unclezipper | PeterS: Well, it sounds elitist when you say it like that... :P But that's how it was designed to work properly |
| 06:10.29 | peterS | unclezipper: at that point what matters is whether Linux has been ported to the rest of the hardware platform. if it's something like CHRP, then yes. |
| 06:11.20 | unclezipper | peterS: I thought it was something like that. My IBM history is a bit hazy. He was talking about trying to put Debian on an AS-400 |
| 06:11.43 | Artemis3 | i do think there was power support in the past, i remember playing with some ibm thingie long time ago |
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| 06:12.13 | peterS | unclezipper: oooh. AS/400 is actually a whole range of CPU models. not sure if that's even POWER at all. since you normally don't run directly on the metal, but in a virtual machine a bit like a JVM with its own virtual instruction set |
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| 06:12.58 | peterS | glances back at his RS/6000, which boots Linux but has never really run it properly |
| 06:13.29 | unclezipper | peterS: I'm pretty sure they used POWER chips. Some sort of specialized architecture, at least. I used to have a book on the things somewhere |
| 06:13.52 | Artemis3 | an rs/6000 that came with aix iirc |
| 06:14.03 | Artemis3 | ah yes that thing |
| 06:14.10 | Artemis3 | i played with one long ago |
| 06:14.13 | unclezipper | peterS: So I'm not the only one who's affected by... "the madness" |
| 06:14.14 | peterS | unclezipper: POWER and POWER2 are very similar to PowerPC but the reason you won't get Linux on there is not the CPU so much as the rest of the platform. it won't have PCI slots, for example, or a BIOS / firmware interface that Linux has been ported to |
| 06:14.46 | unclezipper | I don't have the heart to tell him. :P |
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| 06:15.17 | jmcnaught | unclezipper: chances are the information you seek is in wikipedia in detail :) |
| 06:15.30 | peterS | heh. no reason you _can't_ port to AS/400, conceptually. but good luck with it. anyway if your friend is wanting to do it right now I hope he's in the southern hemisphere, so the machine helps his heating bill instead of harming his A/C bill |
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| 06:16.56 | peterS | (I wonder whatever happened to that effort to port Linux to the VAX...) |
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| 06:17.45 | unclezipper | peterS: Well, first he has to get one, and I fear he may be dangerously close to reaching that point. His dad's been doing IT since computers were vacuum tubes, shorting out contacts in Vietnam... so he probably has some contacts somewhere |
| 06:18.45 | unclezipper | I actually had to look up what VAX is ): |
| 06:20.20 | atannus | I'm reinstalling from scratch |
| 06:20.38 | jmcnaught | atannus: wait why? you made it this far! |
| 06:20.52 | peterS | ha, yeah, VAX was one of the Unix platforms of choice back in the 80s. when I first encoutered them in the early 90s they were already well passed their prime. |
| 06:22.30 | atannus | I rememver vax. |
| 06:22.30 | unclezipper | They look pretty ancient... Kinda reminds me of those industrial washing machines at laundromats |
| 06:22.47 | atannus | The peeps at the uni used to call it "The VAX". |
| 06:23.09 | peterS | pretty much. though there were "VAXstations" that were workstation-sized. Anyway, you can probably see why my mind went there after talk of porting to AS/400 |
| 06:23.11 | atannus | jmcnaught: this will either be a fresh install or no install. I need to know what's going on... |
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| 06:23.31 | jmcnaught | atannus: are you still having network problems? |
| 06:23.34 | atannus | peterS: I did somw quick basic on it iirc. |
| 06:23.42 | atannus | jmcnaught: it appears not. |
| 06:24.02 | atannus | jmcnaught: I wonder if this might be related to me configuring the dhcp to fixate ip 66 (it was dynbamic before) |
| 06:24.15 | unclezipper | peterS: Yeah, I can see the link there |
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| 06:25.02 | jmcnaught | atannus: if you have Wheezy installed and networking works, why would you reinstall from scratch at this point? Set up your sources.list and bob's your uncle. |
| 06:25.35 | atannus | hey, this puppy needs charging, I'll hopefully ttyl. |
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| 06:26.08 | atannus | jmcnaught: well... next time I might not be able to succeed... I Need to *know* how to get the system up and running, not knowing what I did right is not acceptable. |
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| 06:26.47 | jmcnaught | atannus: in my opinion it's a lot easier to troubleshoot on an installed system than in the installer, but do what you've gotta do |
| 06:26.48 | atannus | jmcnaught: And I believe it was the router entry to force a certain ip.... |
| 06:26.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey um whats the package for the source for the kernel i got tobuild a module.. |
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| 06:27.23 | jmcnaught | atannus: reinstalling at this point just seems crazy after all that work |
| 06:27.29 | atannus | jmcnaught: you're probably right, and I'm probably dumb but it's stronger than me. |
| 06:28.06 | atannus | jmcnaught: it builds character. |
| 06:28.19 | unclezipper | Eryn_1983_FL: You probably need linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 06:28.26 | debian88 | Hey there |
| 06:28.46 | atannus | Hi. Are you 88 or born in 88? |
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| 06:29.39 | debian88 | I used Gparted to delete the partitions in a USB drive , create new partition then formatted it to fat32 but still data stored on it is intact , hows that even possible? |
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| 06:30.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | ah |
| 06:30.30 | peterS | data intact is not only possible but probable - when you partition and format, you're overwriting less than 1% of the disk, the rest of it is untouched. Now how to _access_ that old data is a whole other story |
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| 06:31.16 | debian88 | so how shall I wipe the flash drive? |
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| 06:31.44 | unclezipper | debian88: If you recreated the partition as it was before, the OS shouldn't have any trouble finding the files that were on it previously. It doesn't wipe the data when you remove/recreate a partition, generally speaking |
| 06:32.19 | peterS | debian88: I like the 'cp /dev/zero /dev/sdc' type method, myself. be sure you know which device to point your cp at, of course! |
| 06:32.29 | debian88 | ah kay but I've heard of people wiping flash drives using gparted , is that possible? |
| 06:32.40 | unclezipper | debian88: use the dd command, then use gparted to partition the drive as fat32 again |
| 06:33.03 | unclezipper | debian88: Depending on the size of the drive, you'd be sitting there for a while. But yes, you can |
| 06:33.05 | babilen | dd is both slow and uses an awkward syntax, cp is better |
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| 06:33.12 | peterS | debian88: (actually if I think it will take awhile, I install pv and use it more like so: pv -s $(awk '$4=="sdc"{print $3}')k /dev/zero > /dev/sdc |
| 06:33.53 | unclezipper | babilen: Well it would certainly wipe his data :P |
| 06:33.56 | peterS | that's just randomly typed out, may not be quite exactly correct. the idea is to get the size from /proc/partitions and feed it to pv so it can produce a proper status line during the copy |
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| 06:34.09 | debian88 | ok thanks |
| 06:34.22 | peterS | hmmm I forgot the /proc/partitions argument to awk |
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| 06:35.11 | peterS | yeah that's it. pv $(awk '$4=="sdc"{print $3}' /proc/partitions)k /dev/zero > /dev/sdc |
| 06:35.20 | peterS | bah, with -s before the $( ) |
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| 06:38.48 | peterS | oh hey, look at that, pv upstream took my patch so the -s is no longer necessary in this scenario. I mean if you're on jessie or sid. |
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| 06:42.58 | veek | help aid assist - on wheezy snmpwalk is missing ; libsnmp doesn't contain it.. without it, we can no longer walk - what do we do? |
| 06:43.20 | peterS | veek: install snmp, as someone suggested when you asked this same thing 2 hours ago |
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| 06:43.50 | veek | my dear fellow, i tried that - it's linked to libsnmp |
| 06:43.57 | facetoe | Hello, I am trying to connect to my bluetooth speakers but I get the message "Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Connection refused" whenever I run "sudo rfcomm connect rfcomm0". Any ideas how I can fix this?` |
| 06:43.59 | veek | and libsnmp IS installed |
| 06:44.05 | peterS | yes but is snmp installed |
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| 06:44.32 | veek | deathstar> apt-get install snmp <SNIP>However the following packages replace it: |
| 06:44.34 | veek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:45.00 | veek | apt-get install libsnmp15 <SNIP>libsnmp15 is already the newest version. |
| 06:45.15 | jmcnaught | veek: put the command and complete output on http://paste.debian.net/ so we have a better idea of what's going on |
| 06:46.23 | veek | http://paste.debian.net/111734/ |
| 06:48.04 | peterS | really. https://packages.debian.org/stable/snmp suggests that the package exists. I wonder why your apt thinks it does not. |
| 06:49.22 | jmcnaught | veek: maybe put your /etc/apt/sources.list and any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ into a paste then |
| 06:50.27 | veek | ah this could be the problem - i've been fiddling with the mirrors .de was not working http://paste.debian.net/111735/ |
| 06:50.58 | peterS | veek: possibly. does 'apt-cache policy snmp' show anything useful? |
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| 06:51.31 | jmcnaught | veek: are you getting any errors when you do "apt-get update"? |
| 06:52.10 | veek | http://paste.debian.net/111736/ snmp: |
| 06:52.12 | veek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:52.50 | peterS | veek: interesting - apt-cache policy knows the package _does_ exist. so why does 'apt-get install' think it doesn't? That makes no sense to me |
| 06:53.29 | sklav | peterS priority |
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| 06:53.58 | peterS | sklav: eh? priority 500 should be fine, I thought? |
| 06:54.05 | sklav | apt-get -t wheezy-backports packagename should pull it in will its deps |
| 06:54.32 | sklav | you can call it directly with the flag aboe btw used backports as an example |
| 06:54.46 | veek | okay lemme try - thanks! |
| 06:55.38 | jmcnaught | sklav: there is no package available from wheezy-backports in that apt-cache output |
| 06:55.55 | sklav | jmcnaught i used backports as an example |
| 06:56.14 | sklav | i was showing how to call a particular repo if needed |
| 06:56.18 | peterS | yeah well, he pasted 'apt-cache policy' so you could just say the exact command instead of an example that in this case just confuses the issue |
| 06:56.20 | veek | wheezy works |
| 06:56.34 | sklav | i just chimed in so did not see his paste |
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| 06:56.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | guys i am trying to instal zfs on kvm can ya help the kernel modjule wont install |
| 06:57.09 | peterS | anyway policy said wheezy was at priority 500 so it's unclear to me why you'd have to override with -t |
| 06:57.18 | peterS | I mean, if it worked, great, but that seems very strange to me |
| 06:58.13 | jmcnaught | very strange indeed, there's only one snmp package available for wheezy so priority shouldn't be a factor |
| 06:58.35 | peterS | well it is a factor if apt refuses to install something because it's at too low of priority. but that doesn't seem to be the case here |
| 06:58.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | hang on igot dirctions now i am good |
| 06:58.48 | veek | multiarch? |
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| 06:59.19 | peterS | could be multiarch. the package was advertised for amd64, don't know if that's his native arch |
| 06:59.48 | veek | amd64 is my native |
| 06:59.56 | veek | but i use wine i386 |
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| 07:02.44 | jmcnaught | i said beetlejuice three times earlier, maybe that was it |
| 07:02.56 | babilen | veek, peterS: I can't find a pastebin with all information (i.e. apt-cache policy information for *all* involved packages, the actual install command failing, ...) -- It might also be a good to try using aptitude and cycle through the first couple of suggestions and throw in "apt-cache policy" output in there. |
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| 07:03.46 | veek | purrs like a kitten |
| 07:03.49 | veek | working |
| 07:07.07 | jmcnaught | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/111734/ this was the command failing to install snmp, but it sounds like veek has it installed now if that's what "working" means |
| 07:07.57 | babilen | I think veek meant that realname is working on pasting all that information. |
| 07:08.01 | sklav | veek care to paste you pinnings |
| 07:08.25 | babilen | There shouldn't be any .. if there are "apt-cache policy" will show the effect :) |
| 07:09.06 | veek | yup pkg snmp from wheezy did it using -t |
| 07:09.28 | veek | sklav, ah np hang on |
| 07:09.58 | babilen | veek: What about what I asked for? If you pinned things you are almost certainly causing trouble for yourself ... |
| 07:11.58 | veek | umm hang on.. which file is the Pin stored in.. i looked in /etc/apt/ and i can't find those lines (it's been a while and maybe this was in a older distro) |
| 07:12.24 | veek | i remember pinning at one point of time.. it's a bit vague now |
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| 07:13.00 | veek | and i know i use wine i386 |
| 07:13.06 | sklav | preferences |
| 07:13.08 | veek | so multiarch is enabled |
| 07:13.23 | veek | hmm preferences.d is empty |
| 07:13.26 | sklav | /etc/apt/preferences |
| 07:13.32 | veek | there's no preferences file |
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| 07:14.54 | sklav | well that is where i have ever added pinning |
| 07:15.10 | sklav | maybe in another location |
| 07:15.20 | babilen | veek: Please run "apt-cache policy", "apt-cache policy snmp libsnmp15", "aptitude install snmp" (hit "n" a couple of times), "cat /etc/apt/preferences", "head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 07:20.54 | veek | http://paste.debian.net/111737/ |
| 07:20.56 | veek | phew |
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| 07:21.10 | panthersh | Hello all. |
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| 07:21.36 | veek | woof |
| 07:21.41 | panthersh | I have some trouble with X. When I do xinit, my X session (i3) starts and seems to work (the clock still updates, httpd & sshd are still allowing new connexions from other matchines, so it's not frozen), but I can't do anything (keyboard and mouse arent't working at all. I can't even do ctrl+alt+f1). |
| 07:21.44 | babilen | veek: snmp is already installed |
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| 07:22.12 | veek | yup i installed it using -t wheezy |
| 07:22.18 | babilen | You shouldn't have to do that. |
| 07:22.19 | peterS | babilen: yeah, he got it installed half an hour ago at the advice of...somebody, using 'apg-get -t wheezy install snmp' |
| 07:22.26 | veek | apt-get -t wheezy install snmp |
| 07:22.33 | peterS | babilen: ever since then the rest of us have been puzzled at why the -t was needed |
| 07:22.52 | babilen | It shouldn't have been. |
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| 07:23.05 | panthersh | Here is my xorg.conf (generated with aticonfig --initial): http://pastealacon.com/35088 and here is the Xorg.0.log: http://pastealacon.com/35087 (Not a lot of EE thingy, but there are some ukiOpenDevice lines and that might not be a good thing) |
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| 07:23.15 | peterS | that's what we keep saying. and yet, his earlier attempt, 'apt-get install snmp', said that there was no such installation candidate |
| 07:23.18 | babilen | It has priority 500 and there is *nothing* with a higher priority (not an installed version locally installed with a higher version number) |
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| 07:23.42 | panthersh | I suppose it's an issue with the input devices (not sure why it prevents me to use the keyboard in a tty though). I assume it's because of all the ukiOpenDevice in the logs. But I'm not sure how to fix this. Any idea? |
| 07:24.17 | babilen | Well, an "apt-get purge snmp && apt-get install snmp" should run into that again. If it installs snmp again *something* must have changed the state of the packaging system (which might not have been fully communicated) |
| 07:24.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell panthersh -about empty xorg.conf |
| 07:25.05 | babilen | panthersh: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary might be of interest to you |
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| 07:26.09 | babilen | panthersh: "/usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" is pretty self-explanatory. How did you install fglrx? |
| 07:26.19 | sklav | was curious how do i change a flag on apt so it no longer says snmp set to manually installed. |
| 07:26.36 | babilen | sklav: "apt-mark auto snmp" |
| 07:26.42 | sklav | thats it |
| 07:26.48 | sklav | thanks babilen |
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| 07:27.06 | sklav | every so often this bites me |
| 07:27.13 | babilen | *nibble* |
| 07:27.24 | sklav | ;) |
| 07:27.51 | panthersh | babilen: about the xorg.cong it used to be empty, but when I installed fglrx-driver, a ncurses message told me to run aticonfig --initiate. I'll try again without a xorg.conf. As for the ATIProprietary wiki, I already read this among other pages (some of them might not give good advices). |
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| 07:28.49 | panthersh | babilen: and I installed fglrx-drvier + fglrx-control. When I started X, it complained about a missing fglrx module, so I did m-a a-i fglrx, as advice by an online tutorial. |
| 07:28.53 | panthersh | Maybe it was a mistake? |
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| 07:29.40 | peterS | no, m-a a-i seems right. I mean assuming you want the proprietary driver at all, of course. |
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| 07:30.28 | panthersh | Unfortunately I do. I'd like to use the free driver, but some software would work without it. :| |
| 07:30.43 | babilen | panthersh: I would really not use module-assistant at all these days as it doesn't recompile modules whenever necessary (kernel installs/upgrades/...) -- The right course of action would have been to investigate why DKMS failed to compile the module for your kernel. |
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| 07:32.11 | babilen | panthersh: The most common reason for that is that you forgot to install the headers for all kernels you want to compile the module for. Working with m-a might have pulled them in which caused the m-a to "succeed" to a certain degree. What seems to cause problems now is the mix or general inconsistency of the setup. |
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| 07:33.21 | babilen | I'd personally remove *everything* m-a might have caused and then follow the DKMS instructions again. A look at the error messages should shed some light. Besides I'd also recommend to not use that xorg.conf as it hardcodes a bunch of things that Xorg is perfectly capable of detecting automatically. |
| 07:33.38 | panthersh | I see (I think). I'll try to start again from start. I'll "apt purge fglrx*". Is there a way to "undo" a m-a a-i ? |
| 07:33.57 | babilen | Hence my recommendation to follow the (tested and working) instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 07:34.20 | panthersh | Yes I removed the xorg.conf. And I'll do that too. |
| 07:34.25 | babilen | panthersh: There might be a module-assistant purge .. haven't used it in years. Lets take a look at the manpage :) |
| 07:34.27 | panthersh | Thanks a lot for the advices. |
| 07:34.32 | panthersh | Sure thanks. :) |
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| 07:36.12 | babilen | panthersh: "module-assistant list-installed" followed by "module-assistant purge fglrx" (I guess, corroborate with "m-a li" output) |
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| 07:36.31 | babilen | (cf. http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=module-assistant&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+7.0+wheezy&format=html&locale=en) |
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| 07:40.45 | veek | any way to view the SNMP MIB OIDs as text.. iso.3.6.1.2.1.1.1.0 or based on functionality |
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| 07:46.14 | Bigpet | can you guys tell me how the pkg-config file is usually provided for in lib packages? |
| 07:46.26 | Bigpet | is that done by upstream with some make target to generate a *.pc file |
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| 07:46.40 | Bigpet | or is that the packagers task? |
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| 08:03.15 | ryonaloli | what's the best way to use a script to get the latest entry in something like http://deb.mempo.org/debian/pool/main/l/? i'm asking here because i'm wondering if apt-get has a tool to do that automatically or if i just have to parse the html? |
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| 08:06.12 | Abator | can someone tell me what is wrong with this command update-grub && grub-install /dev/lib/live/installer/target and how to fix it? |
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| 08:07.10 | Abator | the error i get is "command not found" |
| 08:08.46 | dutchfish | Abator, is grub installed?, why you want to reinstall grub? |
| 08:08.48 | ryonaloli | Abator: use sudo |
| 08:08.53 | ryonaloli | sudo update-grub |
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| 08:10.41 | dutchfish | Abator, https://wiki.debian.org/Grub#Configuring_grub_v2 |
| 08:10.56 | Abator | yes, im root, and grub is not installed. that is what i am trying to install |
| 08:11.51 | Abator | is it that easy to install grub with this sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub? |
| 08:11.57 | dutchfish | Abator, normally aptitude install grub (that is a virtual package which will install the right grub) |
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| 08:12.41 | Abator | i am at the end of debain install where i got the error "grub failed to install" |
| 08:12.48 | dutchfish | (depending on your architecture) |
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| 08:13.24 | Abator | can i run apt-get update while i am still installing debain? |
| 08:13.43 | dutchfish | Abator, either there is already a messe dup install of grub (dpkg -l | grep grub) or something is broken in dpkg db |
| 08:13.45 | Abator | i will try the aptitude install grub |
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| 08:14.05 | dutchfish | Abator, that wont help much |
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| 08:14.35 | dutchfish | Abator, in the background it is all apt that does the job |
| 08:15.15 | dutchfish | Abator, have you inspected for broken installed packages? |
| 08:15.18 | Abator | ok, what to do next. please tell me, i am not smart user of debain |
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| 08:16.30 | Abator | dutchfish, actually, i am installing debian on free space , and at the point where grub is created the setup failed |
| 08:17.35 | Abator | i am still in the setup and there is option in main menue to skip grub and complete install without grub. i was trying to fix grub before restart because im installing from usb stick |
| 08:18.39 | Abator | i think if i do not fix grub at this point then i will need super grub usb to fix the grub at boot |
| 08:19.12 | dutchfish | Abator, well, you computer could contain that other os and a protected uefi space, preventing the install off grub in the bootsector of the drive, grub has an option not to that. Have you tried that? |
| 08:20.04 | dutchfish | !uefi |
| 08:20.05 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. See also <errata>. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 08:20.51 | Abator | ok, may be, i am trying to understand that you wrote |
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| 08:23.09 | dutchfish | Abator, it is possible to install grub in the boot partition of you debian install without altering the bootsector of your drive and be managed by another ouside bootmanager |
| 08:23.22 | Abator | dutchfish, next two steps in the main menue are "Continue without the boot loader" , "Finish the installation" |
| 08:24.30 | dutchfish | Abator, have you read https://wiki.debian.org/Grub#Configuring_grub_v2 ? |
| 08:24.42 | Abator | oh, let me read it now |
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| 08:27.16 | Abator | dutchfish, is it ok to run apt-get update; while i have not completed installation |
| 08:27.59 | dutchfish | Abator, i dont know yet, do yo have an uefi bootloder? |
| 08:28.17 | zett_zelett | I get "E: The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources" when trying to run 'aptitude install'. |
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| 08:28.46 | zett_zelett | I found this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=108362, which suggests installing apt from jessie – but how would I go about that if I cannot use apt/aptitude? |
| 08:28.54 | Abator | dutchfish, i have no uefi bootloader |
| 08:28.58 | dutchfish | Abator, if in doubt, continue without installing the bootloader |
| 08:29.28 | dutchfish | Abator, if not install the bootloader, by choosing finish installation |
| 08:29.39 | Abator | dutchfish, so, do i need to make live usb of super grub before restart? |
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| 08:30.09 | Abator | i mean, how i will install grub when system will not boot? |
| 08:30.20 | dutchfish | Abator, did you install on harddrive or usbdevice? |
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| 08:30.36 | Abator | i installed on HD from usb |
| 08:31.25 | dutchfish | Abator, then grub will be need to install within that partitions bootloader, if you need grub on your hd's bootsector need to be seen yet |
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| 08:31.52 | Entalyan | I'm trying to download the Debian live cd with xfce on it, but the torrent tracker is claiming the torrent can't be found. Problem on my end or a known issue? |
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| 08:32.13 | Entalyan | HTTP/FTP downloading is so oldskool :p |
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| 08:32.27 | Entalyan | The standard iso worked fine off bittorrent |
| 08:32.55 | dutchfish | Abator, forget about super grub, that is being used on live images, we are doing install time here, right? |
| 08:33.06 | Abator | dutchfish, ok, i am not sure what to do , i will do as i told to do :) if something goes wrong then i will restart the installation from usb |
| 08:33.24 | dutchfish | Abator, fair enough |
| 08:33.26 | Abator | dutchfish, yes, installtime |
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| 08:34.05 | dutchfish | Abator, just curieus what install disk are you using on that usb stick? |
| 08:34.12 | Abator | dutchfish, please do not worry about anything, lets just do what you think is right |
| 08:34.18 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:34.35 | Entalyan | Perhaps I should actually follow the installation instructions and just use the standard CD |
| 08:34.56 | Abator | it was iso, let me look into tmy inbox for the link if it is important to know |
| 08:35.07 | dutchfish | Abator, yes, please do |
| 08:37.00 | Entalyan | Debian uses aptitude (apt-get and such) for package management, right? What does it use for service/daemon management, not systemd right? |
| 08:37.22 | dutchfish | Abator, i need to run, you need thse (netinstall preferable) https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/ |
| 08:37.33 | dutchfish | !netinstall |
| 08:37.33 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 08:39.27 | Entalyan | The netinstall is pretty straight forward, but a bit hardcore for me. Live CD it is |
| 08:39.52 | Abator | dutchfish, ok, thanks a lot for the help. i will try reading from internet. i saved this at the when my previous debian installed http://paste.debian.net/111741/ |
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| 08:40.19 | veek | how's dotdeb for back-ports? |
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| 08:41.05 | Abator | Entalyan, yes, i think netinstall is the best way if it work. but timeout error during install for mirrors mess up things. |
| 08:41.20 | dutchfish | Abator, we are at 7.6 now fyi |
| 08:41.44 | dutchfish | Abator, go netinstall |
| 08:41.49 | Entalyan | Abator: Hmm, that's a bit annoying. That's usually a manner of switching mirrors and/or retrying. |
| 08:41.57 | Abator | dutchfish, yes, i saved that long ago and i still have the same usb stick that i am using to install debain |
| 08:42.08 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:43.02 | dutchfish | Abator, alot of bugs have been ironed out since then, so go with the latest wheezy netinstall please |
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| 08:43.19 | Entalyan | debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso like a boss. CBA with actually paying attention. Just want a desktop OS that "Just Werkz(TM)", to evaluate if I like the OS as a test/production server later. |
| 08:43.22 | Abator | dutchfish, oh ok |
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| 08:43.47 | Abator | i need missing firmwares also because my wifi does not work, |
| 08:43.50 | debian88 | Hey there |
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| 08:44.28 | debian88 | ummm I booted into a slitaz live USB and tried to delete swap but it doesnt swap offf , what shall I do? |
| 08:44.39 | dutchfish | Abator, you could go with a standard image over a wired connection for now and install firmware later, if not ask again |
| 08:44.42 | Abator | please note one thing, the install that worked for me from usb is the older one. the iso i downloaded recently did not work |
| 08:45.02 | debian88 | I'm on a debian machine btw |
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| 08:45.39 | dutchfish | Abator, i need to run now, gl |
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| 08:45.48 | Abator | dutchfish, i am downloading the iso from your link now, it will take hours |
| 08:45.57 | Abator | dutchfish, have a great day,, :) |
| 08:46.48 | debian88 | I really need help |
| 08:47.39 | heurist | debian88: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 08:48.15 | debian88 | okay let me put i8t straight |
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| 08:49.43 | debian88 | I booted from a slitaz liveUSB then opened gparted and deleted /dev/hda1 but when I try to delete /dev/hda5 which is swap I only have the option to swapoff which isnt working too |
| 08:50.23 | heurist | debian88: from a terminal run: swapoff -a |
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| 08:50.32 | debian88 | just a sec |
| 08:52.27 | debian88 | Thanks a lot that worked |
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| 08:58.47 | debian88 | Hi there |
| 08:59.12 | Entalyan | Hai |
| 08:59.15 | debian88 | I tried to create a new partion unformatted but it automatically shows as ext2 why is that? |
| 08:59.47 | debian88 | heurist: hey I think you can help me out on this one. |
| 09:00.34 | heurist | debian88: you do need to be patient on irc, don't nag for help. |
| 09:00.41 | debian88 | sorry |
| 09:00.50 | debian88 | Im really sorry |
| 09:00.55 | heurist | debian88: no worries, just for next time |
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| 09:01.43 | heurist | debian88: it is probably the tools you are using, fdisk and such do not create filesystems. |
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| 09:02.18 | debian88 | im using gparted |
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| 09:02.38 | heurist | debian88: I can not help you with that. I have never used it. |
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| 09:07.51 | Entalyan | What's debian 7.6's nickname btw? |
| 09:08.13 | Entalyan | As in, wheezy or sarge or something like that |
| 09:08.30 | petemc | wheezy |
| 09:08.48 | Entalyan | Alright, thanks |
| 09:08.55 | formorer | the .7 is the patch release of debian 7 (wheezy) |
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| 09:09.08 | formorer | eh .6 |
| 09:09.28 | Entalyan | Yeah I figured that, but didn't know if the nicknames were per major or minor release |
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| 09:10.47 | Entalyan | <3 guided partitioning :) |
| 09:10.50 | formorer | major |
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| 09:12.09 | heracles | Hello |
| 09:12.32 | Entalyan | hi |
| 09:13.09 | heracles | does anyone have experience with PCI passthrough in virtualbox? I've followed the instructions to the letter and I am able to assign the pci device to the VM, but when I boot it just crashes at the same point each time |
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| 09:15.05 | Entalyan | Not in virtualbox no |
| 09:15.17 | Entalyan | But what does it claim the problem is? |
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| 09:35.49 | heracles | Entalyan: Now I'm getting VERR: ACCESS DENIED |
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| 09:36.31 | heracles | Failed to open physical device: not existing or not available |
| 09:36.44 | heracles | I'm compiled my kernel with iommu support |
| 09:36.54 | heracles | I'm sure my hardware is supported |
| 09:37.59 | towo` | pci-passthrough is highly experimental in vbox |
| 09:38.15 | towo` | what device you want to assign? |
| 09:38.33 | heracles | radeon 7950 |
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| 09:38.46 | heracles | should I use xen instead? |
| 09:39.16 | towo` | vga-passthrough does not work at all in vbox |
| 09:39.41 | towo` | vga-passthrough is different to pci-passthrough and it's not implemented in vbox |
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| 09:42.41 | heracles | Ah |
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| 09:42.48 | heracles | so xen is pretty much my only option |
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| 09:47.38 | heracles | So I start up virt-manager, and I get the error "Unable to connect to libirt. Verify that the 'libvirtd' daemon is running." |
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| 09:47.59 | heracles | libvirtError: Failed to connect socket to '/var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock': Permission denied |
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| 09:49.47 | Entalyan | Xen has it running fine, so does KVM I think |
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| 09:50.13 | Entalyan | But it's VERY fiddly, not a guaranteed success |
| 09:51.53 | Entalyan | Lulz, the rescue cd panicked and decided to just install the OS without asking me |
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| 09:53.07 | Entalyan | If this isn't working I'll just reinstall it the once |
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| 10:10.17 | Abator | grub-mkconfig is missing now. i am following this link http://askubuntu.com/questions/418666/update-grub-command-not-found . what i should do now? |
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| 10:12.43 | Abator | i think i should try someother link |
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| 10:28.01 | Abator | how do i tell installer to install grub on /dev/sda5 instead of /dev/sda ? |
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| 10:30.33 | pclov3r | Maybe it's in the man but but I have a question. Is there a function in apt that is similar to yum whatprovides and will show what package provided the file? |
| 10:33.03 | heurist | pclov3r: dpkg -S file |
| 10:33.53 | pclov3r | thanks |
| 10:35.11 | heurist | pclov3r: or dlocate |
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| 10:56.55 | imie | Hello. Is there an option to install KDE 5 Plasma on LMDE? |
| 10:57.41 | towo` | lmde is not debian |
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| 10:58.41 | imie | towo`: I was redirected here from LM community channel. |
| 10:58.49 | towo` | they are wrong |
| 10:58.57 | towo` | here is only support for debian |
| 10:59.05 | towo` | and lmde is no debian, it's mint |
| 10:59.29 | SynrG | imie: please carry back the message to the lmde support channel, that we do not support lmde here :p |
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| 10:59.46 | pclov3r | Decided to fire up a Debian vm. Been awhile since i've used it :) |
| 11:00.05 | pclov3r | I'm to dman use to rpm based distros |
| 11:00.11 | imie | SynrG: OK |
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| 11:00.26 | Sir_Designer | imie this is 2 years old but might help you http://forum.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=190&t=103966 |
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| 11:06.03 | wm4 | https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/7/24/584 |
| 11:06.08 | wm4 | why the flying fuck is 4.9 default on debian |
| 11:06.39 | wm4 | because apparently gcc 4.9 makes the kernel corrupt random memory |
| 11:06.44 | Abator | why this command apt-get install --reinstall grub says unable to locate package grub? |
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| 11:12.51 | towo` | abator, because the package is named grub-pc or grub-efi |
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| 11:17.00 | jelly-home | wm4: 4.9 does not even exist in the current release, which version of debian are you using? |
| 11:17.14 | jelly-home | ,v gcc4.9 |
| 11:17.16 | judd | No package named 'gcc4.9' was found in i386. |
| 11:17.22 | jelly-home | ,v gcc-4.9 |
| 11:17.23 | judd | Package: gcc-4.9 on i386 -- jessie: 4.9.1-1; sid: 4.9.1-2 |
| 11:17.27 | wm4 | jelly-home: unstable |
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| 11:18.08 | jelly-home | wm4: so why the flying fuck are you complaining here instead of looking at the bugs tracking system! |
| 11:18.25 | wm4 | which is the bug? |
| 11:18.40 | jelly-home | you look it up, and if you don't find it, file it please |
| 11:18.55 | jelly-home | this is what unstable is made for. |
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| 11:19.09 | wm4 | using the bug tracker search gives "An error occurred. Error was: You have to choose something to select by" |
| 11:19.17 | wm4 | by what? |
| 11:19.59 | jelly-home | web form for searching? Try choosing search by package name |
| 11:21.30 | jelly-home | dpkg: tell wm4 about sid faq |
| 11:21.33 | wm4 | <jelly-home> this is what unstable is made for. <- I don't agree. stable is worthless on the desktop, so unstable must serve as rolling distros |
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| 11:21.46 | wm4 | otherwise I just have to find another distro |
| 11:21.54 | wm4 | unfortunately most binary distros switched to systemd |
| 11:22.06 | jelly-home | wm4: I'm using stable on desktop |
| 11:22.31 | jelly-home | read the faq, if you have the time |
| 11:22.34 | wm4 | I tried a few times, stable was never sufficient and always too old |
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| 11:23.39 | jelly-home | (also, debian will switch the default init to systemd as well for the next release) |
| 11:24.11 | wm4 | then I'll have to find something else |
| 11:24.13 | jelly-home | (sysvinit will be an option) |
| 11:24.58 | jelly-home | I switched a home machine running testing to systemd and nothing happened, stuff just worked |
| 11:25.20 | wm4 | I don't want to reboot for updates, I want text logs, etc. |
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| 11:26.03 | jelly-home | you already have to reboot for most updates of system libs |
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| 11:26.27 | jelly-home | wm4: are you running checkrestart after each upgrade to see what needs to be restarted? |
| 11:26.35 | jelly-home | (debian-goodies package) |
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| 11:29.00 | wm4 | <jelly-home> you already have to reboot for most updates of system libs <- I don't care and haven't ever had any problems |
| 11:29.13 | petern_ | Ah, a troll. |
| 11:29.20 | wm4 | the only thing to look out for is updating the nvidia drivers, because of issues |
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| 11:29.31 | wm4 | petern_: what? |
| 11:29.40 | petern_ | This is a support channel for Debian Stable. |
| 11:30.04 | wm4 | I hope being able to switch to another distro |
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| 11:30.48 | jelly-home | wm4: well, if you're not checking for old files in use, that means apps and services may still use old ones and be vulnerable or buggy. |
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| 11:31.31 | jelly-home | upgrades done like that don't have much of a point |
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| 11:32.06 | jelly-home | petern_: let's not call frustrated users names prematurely |
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| 12:16.02 | Abator | towo`, thanks :) please also let me have the recommended /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:20.48 | Abator | please tell me what does it means "Package grub-pc is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
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| 12:28.26 | tremon | Abator: your sources.list is incomplete, or you're running a non-intel architecture |
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| 12:39.04 | Entalyan | Quick question, is the proper way of disabling a service removing it from /etc/init.d, or is there a more elegant way I'm missing? |
| 12:39.23 | Asuran | service <name> stop |
| 12:39.33 | Asuran | thats what i know |
| 12:39.49 | Entalyan | Yeah but it'll restart next reboot |
| 12:40.02 | Asuran | yea but its the way, google for it |
| 12:40.06 | heurist | Entalyan: update-rc.d disable <service> |
| 12:40.27 | Entalyan | heurist: Thanks! |
| 12:40.59 | Entalyan | Asuran: To be honest, I've gotten this thing running all on my own (with google, mostly just myself though). I'm tired, this is the last thing that needs fixing :p |
| 12:41.48 | Asuran | hard work isn't it (the gathering of the informations) |
| 12:42.52 | Entalyan | It's very painful. Debian comes without much overlap in systems from the distro's I'm used to, so every command is something I need to look up |
| 12:43.01 | Entalyan | In the beginning MAN refused to work... |
| 12:43.14 | Asuran | thats strange |
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| 12:44.06 | Entalyan | It was also strange that I couldn't get any of the auto-installers to work, had to manually install parts. |
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| 12:45.11 | Abator | tremon, yes, sources.list is all commented. |
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| 12:50.27 | sine0 | having fibre and apt-get is a godsend |
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| 12:57.00 | heurist | tdn: tar --use-compress-program=pigz |
| 12:57.15 | tdn | heurist, thanks. |
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| 13:00.41 | pclov3r | I have another question about deb packages. Is there something like a source deb package like rpm does or does that not exist with it? |
| 13:01.14 | tremon | pclov3r: not a "package" as such, but apt-get source will get you what you want |
| 13:01.54 | tremon | a debian source package consists of a tarball, patchset (build rules) and signature file |
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| 13:02.05 | sine0 | what other great console fun can i have with linux. |
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| 13:02.25 | sine0 | i have screen, irssi, LAMP, vsftpd |
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| 13:02.54 | pclov3r | is it like a source rpm or just loose files in a folder? |
| 13:03.08 | sine0 | what command line awesomeness do you recommend |
| 13:03.09 | tremon | it's not a single archive |
| 13:03.12 | CissWit | sine0: try mutt |
| 13:03.14 | pclov3r | ah |
| 13:03.36 | CissWit | mutt or sup btw |
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| 13:04.03 | tremon | sine0: there are some great console-based roguelikes |
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| 13:05.29 | sine0 | hmm mutt ive heard of that |
| 13:05.32 | sine0 | is it email |
| 13:05.39 | heurist | sine0: nethack, tome, moc, mc, ... |
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| 13:06.11 | madez | hey, I'd having problems with my audio configuration. I'm trying to stream music with pulseaudio from machine a to machine b where it is player over HDMI. However only crackling is played at machine b using this setup. When I locally at machine b play sound over the HDMI interface it works without problems and when I stream music from a to b and play over the analog interface it also works. Any ideas why streaming and finally playing over HDMI |
| 13:06.11 | madez | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.51 | madez | I'm having problems... |
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| 13:08.17 | sine0 | heurist: cool but not into games.. |
| 13:08.20 | sine0 | thanks |
| 13:08.30 | sine0 | mutts getting got tho |
| 13:09.01 | beatpanic | hey people, is there a way to list all the deb packages (with their descriptions) in one shot? I found apt-cache pkgnames but I would like to have at least the short description. thank you! |
| 13:09.12 | heurist | sine0: only half of them were games, moc is music on console, and mc is midnight commander, for file management and exploration. |
| 13:09.50 | tremon | madez: you might have better luck asking that on a pulseaudio-specific channel, that's rather specific |
| 13:10.47 | sine0 | ok cool mc seems good |
| 13:10.57 | sine0 | i wont be using moc as i am ssh |
| 13:11.09 | beatpanic | sorry, never mind. I took an alternative approach and it works for my little hack |
| 13:11.41 | tremon | beatpanic: dpkg -l, but it will only list packages that have a local reference (is installed or has been installed). Otherwise, aptitude search might help. You can customize its output (-F iirc) |
| 13:12.15 | heurist | sine0: you can also try: aptitude search "~Ginterface::commandline" |
| 13:12.39 | madez | tremon, k, thanks |
| 13:13.14 | beatpanic | tremon, ok, will look into that thank you |
| 13:15.03 | beatpanic | http://paste.debian.net/111771/ little WIP bash hack (probably even buggy), but you get the "idea" :) |
| 13:15.09 | zykotick9 | sine0: my terminal suggestions would include: abook, newsbeuter, elinks, htop, irssi, ncdu and ranger |
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| 13:22.17 | pepijndevos_ | How can I get elinks with JS support on debian? Do I need to compile from source? |
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| 13:24.41 | heurist | pepijndevos_: debian has both elinks and elinks-lite, the non-lite version claim to have some scripting ability, but I am not sure about js. js on console browsers is also very limited. |
| 13:25.09 | babilen | pepijndevos_: http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/manual.html#ecmascript |
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| 13:25.44 | pepijndevos_ | babilen: I read that. They just say install mozjs and compile form source, right? |
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| 13:26.48 | pepijndevos_ | heurist: is there any other console browser wit JS? |
| 13:27.27 | pepijndevos_ | Framebuffer is also ok, but I'm not going to run X and a window manager and stuff. |
| 13:27.44 | babilen | pepijndevos_: I'd argue that the times that you would actually want to use a console browser are typically rather different from the situations in which one would want JS support |
| 13:27.58 | babilen | Ah, okay, good luck |
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| 13:44.11 | Kulrak | anybody have any idea why thunderbird runs chrome when you click on links.. even though firefox has a higher priority in update-alternatives and is set as x-www-browser with xdg? |
| 13:44.25 | abrotman | Kulrak: Gnome? |
| 13:44.34 | Kulrak | awesomewm |
| 13:44.46 | abrotman | Nope, no idea then |
| 13:44.57 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
| 13:45.38 | heurist | Kulrak: does thunderbird have an about:config thing like firefox? maybe it has its own settings for browser? |
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| 13:45.49 | babilen | Kulrak: Does xdg-open behave the same? |
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| 13:46.55 | Kulrak | babilen: xdg-open runs firefox |
| 13:46.58 | heurist | Kulrak: thunderbird may also be using gconf, even in awesome, you may need to configure it there. |
| 13:47.00 | Kulrak | heurist: not sure |
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| 13:47.52 | babilen | Kulrak: Good, sensible behaviour. Sounds like thunderbird specific behaviour which you might have to inquire about in a mozilla channel as you are not using Debian packaged software. |
| 13:47.54 | heurist | Kulrak: it is a place to start looking, also of course edit->preference, but I assume you looked there already. |
| 13:48.13 | Kulrak | yeah, already looked- |
| 13:48.16 | Kulrak | thanks |
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| 13:50.42 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 13:53.02 | eptalon | I am getting an error when I try to build a java package using make-jpkg... |
| 13:53.10 | eptalon | sid/unstable |
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| 13:53.44 | centrx | Is the error a secret |
| 13:53.46 | Brigo | !tell eptalon about debian-nest |
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| 13:54.35 | abrotman | eptalon: what error? |
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| 13:56.24 | eptalon | abrotman: something about debian/rules not being executable |
| 13:56.46 | abrotman | eptalon: please use a pastebin |
| 13:57.44 | eptalon | just a second, I will |
| 13:58.53 | eptalon | abrotman: is /tmp generally execute-disabled? |
| 13:59.14 | abrotman | No .. |
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| 14:01.36 | eptalon | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/euWgjLYG |
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| 14:02.35 | eptalon | abrotman: lines 36/37 |
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| 14:03.35 | abrotman | eptalon: is your /tmp/ mounted noexec ? |
| 14:04.18 | eptalon | abrotman: tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime) |
| 14:04.23 | eptalon | abrotman: so yes. |
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| 14:06.50 | eptalon | but doing that in a directory created under my home looks the same, and is not mounted noexec. |
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| 14:09.26 | eptalon | abrotman: other ideas? |
| 14:10.36 | abrotman | what's on line 609? |
| 14:12.30 | eptalon | abrotman: system(@_) |
| 14:12.57 | Asuran | whats needed to do a debian like package (in terms of quality)? the tutorial i found at debian website stated its just a simple introduction or whatever its count as |
| 14:13.20 | Asuran | what use packagers as reference? |
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| 14:20.57 | abrotman | eptalon: look aronud a bit |
| 14:21.12 | eptalon | abrotman: I will |
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| 14:24.57 | ^chewie | it's driving me crazy! |
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| 14:50.34 | sine0 | what can i use to find out information on an IP address |
| 14:51.02 | sine0 | like its domain name is that reverse dns ? |
| 14:51.09 | heurist | sine0: what information are you looking for? |
| 14:51.19 | sine0 | just the domain name of the isp the location etc. |
| 14:51.24 | heurist | sine0: host $IP |
| 14:51.30 | sine0 | im just trying to see who has viewed my website from apache logs |
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| 14:51.53 | heurist | sine0: whois $IP |
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| 14:54.15 | sine0 | host works |
| 14:54.17 | sine0 | thanks |
| 14:54.30 | abrotman | ISTR there's a way to have apache log the PTR record? |
| 14:55.21 | sine0 | not sure. does grep display only 5 search terms. |
| 14:55.24 | sine0 | man grep |
| 14:55.26 | sine0 | ups |
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| 14:56.27 | heurist | loging PTR means needing a dns lookup each time, that can be very slow. |
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| 15:09.59 | mr_foobar_baz | I have a Samsung Galaxy S III. One of those newer androids that only support MTP instead of mass storage. When I connect it via USB, I get a device "GT-I9300" in my file manager (PCManFM) which I can open. However, opening and browsing it is extremely slow. Did anyone of you with MTP devices figure out a way to make it as fast as when using it under windows? |
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| 15:11.11 | mr_foobar_baz | The file transfer speed is a fast as usual, but browsing the directories is not. Just opening the device in the file manager takes at least a minute |
| 15:12.44 | heurist | mr_foobar_baz: yeah, mtp sucks, consider yourself lucky you are getting it working at all. |
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| 15:14.06 | Entalyan | Poor old hard drives... Generating a 300GB file. Or allocating I should say I guess. One day these things are going to break :( |
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| 15:15.29 | Entalyan | Even though SSD's are now a dime-a-dozen, regular harddrives aren't as cheap as I would have expected nowadays |
| 15:16.02 | sine0 | they are not bad for what you get though, 6TB drives, i mean come on! |
| 15:16.18 | mr_foobar_baz | heurist: So.. there is no known way to make it faster? I don't really understand why it would be fast on windows, but so slow on linux |
| 15:16.24 | Entalyan | Still I prefer 4x2 or something |
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| 15:16.44 | Entalyan | But 2x6 sounds good too, I'll look those up |
| 15:16.50 | Entalyan | I though they were still on 2TB tbh |
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| 15:18.05 | sine0 | guys im one of these flirted with linux type of people over the years i like ssh command line stuff and have had it as full os gentoo, ubuntu but keep coming back to windows due to the os specific music creation softwares vst time latency stuuff etc |
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| 15:18.15 | Entalyan | These HDD's I'm running now are between 4 and 8 years old, and the array still slugs away between 250 and 300mb/s (sequential write though, but still) |
| 15:18.24 | d3sync | mr_foobar_baz well i believe that u are in a pickle xD try to search around forums maybe u can find some anwsers there but as well all know if you want something to be done in the "right way" (your way) make it urself xD |
| 15:18.27 | sine0 | if i need to isntall again, is there a file which i could run which would install all the software that i have installed in one go |
| 15:18.27 | Entalyan | sine0: Join the club ;) |
| 15:18.40 | Entalyan | sine0: In linux? |
| 15:18.46 | jhutchins | !apt-clone |
| 15:18.46 | dpkg | [apt-clone] a utility to clone/restore the packages on an apt-based system. It will save/restore the packages, sources.list, keyring and automatic-installed states. It can also save/restore no longer downloadable packages using <dpkg-repack>. For use with Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <simple sid backport>. |
| 15:18.47 | Entalyan | You can just backup the entire system |
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| 15:19.09 | Entalyan | I'm currently rsyncing my VPS to my Debian box |
| 15:19.30 | Entalyan | Which is wasteful, but it's pretty neat once it's done |
| 15:19.30 | d3sync | or you can do what jhutchins said and have a clean system xD |
| 15:19.30 | sine0 | ok but i want to know about how you do these long command lines |
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| 15:19.38 | sine0 | and also how i could have that in a file like a batch file |
| 15:19.52 | sine0 | apt-get install foo && apt-get install bar |
| 15:19.57 | sine0 | is that how you chain stuff |
| 15:20.11 | Entalyan | That is a way yes |
| 15:20.40 | heurist | dpkg: tell sine0 about enter |
| 15:20.40 | Entalyan | Otherwise you could write a tiny script |
| 15:20.40 | jhutchins | sine0: No, apt-get install foo bar |
| 15:20.43 | sine0 | oh ok |
| 15:20.56 | Entalyan | Oh didn't read it fully, thought it were 2 different commands ;) |
| 15:21.07 | jhutchins | sine0: Also, using the various clone methods you can pass a file with package names. |
| 15:21.58 | d3sync | if u are in a vps and ur company has a feature that u can snapshot the VPS that's also a time saver |
| 15:22.05 | sine0 | heurist the irc enforcer |
| 15:22.06 | jhutchins | !u |
| 15:22.06 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:22.24 | sine0 | and jhutchins |
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| 15:24.00 | Entalyan | d3sync: Or do it the lazy way, because I can't be bothered looking in more man pages today: Rsync -> TAR -> FTP -> untar (or not) (I realise that can also be done with less steps directly from rsync, but I'm tired and it was throwing errors. This'll do fiiine) |
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| 15:24.55 | Entalyan | Hmm I'm afraid I need to upgrade my power supply if I'm going to add more HDD's to this machine :S Should probably look into NAS-style external storage. |
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| 15:26.30 | sine0 | how to fight procrastination |
| 15:26.51 | d3sync | Entalyan: i wouldn't recommend it unless it's for ur /home |
| 15:26.58 | d3sync | lot's of stuff can go wrong |
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| 15:28.38 | d3sync | the best solution for doing semi-automatic installs is using bash scripts that u created xD |
| 15:28.52 | Entalyan | d3sync: I'm currently running 7 HDD's between 2 and 8 years old, with no redundancy. I'm honestly surprised it didn't blow up any sooner |
| 15:29.06 | Entalyan | (this is next to my SSD's that carry the system) |
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| 15:29.23 | d3sync | if they are good quality they won't blow up |
| 15:29.35 | d3sync | i still have a working 6GB WD HDD |
| 15:29.45 | d3sync | it's slow as hell but hey |
| 15:30.09 | Entalyan | They're mixed and have been abused, also running 24/7 (consumer models). |
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| 15:30.51 | Entalyan | When I retire them they'll get a spot in my photo-cabinet in honor of their service |
| 15:31.19 | blubberdiblub | will they get a medal, too? |
| 15:31.48 | Entalyan | Possibly. Although I assume when I wash them they'll be pretty shiny by themselves |
| 15:31.48 | d3sync | and blue ribbons |
| 15:32.42 | d3sync | xD i have only 1 HDD that's from 2004 and still ticking 24/7 |
| 15:32.48 | d3sync | i use it for utorrents xD |
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| 15:36.42 | chief-imoch | got a network problem after fresh install. After restarting /etc/init.d/networking i get the message ignoring unknown device eth0. Some help, and I'd be thankfull |
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| 15:37.53 | BluesKaj | chief-imoch, run sudo dhclient |
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| 15:39.24 | heurist | chief-imoch: why are you restarting networking? don't do that, it is not what you think it is. |
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| 15:42.25 | chief-imoch | did a minimal install with only laptop and utilities. logged in as root. ran dhclient. tried apt-get update to check network working, unable to resolve. |
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| 15:43.25 | chief-imoch | i followed a guide telling me to do so heurist. setting up network in debian. edited the /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:45.14 | chief-imoch | then restarted |
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| 15:47.34 | abrotman | edited to do what? |
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| 15:49.27 | chief-imoch | added lines of :auto eth0 :allow-hotplug eth0 :iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 15:53.42 | heurist | chief-imoch: I assume those colons are your own decoration for irc, not in the file? pastebin /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:53.53 | chief-imoch | yeah |
| 15:53.55 | babilen | chief-imoch: Remove the leading ":" and "allow-hotplug eth0" |
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| 15:54.26 | chief-imoch | used : to show new line in file :D |
| 15:57.02 | chief-imoch | i tried rebooting now. now it hangs on the startup [...] configuring network interfaces...[ : eth0: link is not ready |
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| 16:00.22 | chief-imoch | plugged in cable. three lines telling me that loink is up at 1000 Mbps full duplex. flow control is off for TX and RX. :eth0 : link becomes ready. but still hangs there though |
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| 16:03.37 | Shadow_7 | chief-imoch: bad cable? (or terrible ISP) |
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| 16:05.13 | chief-imoch | the network install worked, so neither. lost connection after reboot. is there anything i can do to keep config settings used during installation? |
| 16:05.56 | Shadow_7 | idk about that. dhclient might help setup things post bootup |
| 16:07.13 | chief-imoch | tryin another install. what does the install program use to find config? |
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| 16:08.48 | Shadow_7 | probably dhclient / dhcpcd to connect to a dhcp server |
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| 16:08.59 | Brigo | chief-imoch, the config use to be trivial. |
| 16:09.25 | Brigo | chief-imoch, can you paste your config in paste.debian.net so we can check it? |
| 16:09.27 | Shadow_7 | you can mount the .iso loopback style and dpkg -i the .deb from the image. |
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| 16:10.02 | Shadow_7 | if a dhcp client wasn't installed |
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| 16:11.28 | chief-imoch | already started a new expert install. Couldnt get the thing to boot after i configged the /etc/networking/devices |
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| 16:13.38 | chief-imoch | i'll try that mount and dpkg -i variety when I've reinstalled :D tnx |
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| 16:18.04 | furhun | Winbond CD-ROM DRIVE:001 (USB Device ) |
| 16:18.11 | furhun | ^Does this make sense to anyone? |
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| 16:19.15 | furhun | I've got this USB flash drive, but when i plug it in, nothing happens. I check the Gnome Disks utility and under Peripherals, it has an entry that apparently is a CD Drive with this in its description |
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| 16:19.45 | furhun | also, i know that the entry does refer to the USB drive as it disappears when i pull it out... |
| 16:20.08 | furhun | I googled Winbond CD-ROM DRIVE:001 USB Device, and MS actually appears to offer drivers for this.. so can anyone tell me whats going on? |
| 16:20.12 | furhun | dpkg: ? |
| 16:20.13 | dpkg | furhun: I give up, what is it? |
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| 16:21.47 | Brigo | is really ownclow broken in wheezy??? |
| 16:21.56 | Brigo | owncloud* |
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| 16:23.02 | furhun | I have absolutely no idea... Brigo do you know what a Winbond CD-ROM DRIVE:001 USB Device is? |
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| 16:24.07 | mtn | furhun: what is its description in lsusb? |
| 16:24.15 | Brigo | furhun, dpkg is a bot |
| 16:24.24 | Doxin | furhun: the internet suggests it's like shitty u3 |
| 16:25.26 | furhun | mtn: Brigo Doxin: yes i was just messing around with dpkg... yes I came across the term u3 .. lemme try lsusb |
| 16:26.00 | Doxin | furhun: it's essentially an usb drive pretending to be a cd-drive so it can unto autorun |
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| 16:26.07 | Doxin | furhun: no idea why they didn't just u3 |
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| 16:28.08 | furhun_ | so its a Winbond Drive... how do i mount it in Debian |
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| 16:29.23 | mtn | furhun_: if it was me, I would start looking in google to see how others have done it or if it can be done. |
| 16:29.49 | furhun_ | mtn: I am.. but i cant seem to get a legit result.. in fact.. not even close |
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| 16:30.03 | mtn | furhun_: perhaps it is not supported in linux |
| 16:30.17 | furhun_ | Winbond Electronics is a company, and this drive has some thing in the hardware... but why cant i moount it? |
| 16:30.29 | furhun_ | hey, whats the most general way to mount a drive from cli? |
| 16:30.44 | mtn | furhun_: man mount |
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| 16:32.01 | alxjsn | Getting a custom license plate. Any clever ideas for a 5 character or less license plate? :P |
| 16:32.34 | mtn | alxjsn: how is it a debian support issue? |
| 16:32.59 | alxjsn | didn't realize there was a debian-offtopic |
| 16:33.01 | alxjsn | sorry about that |
| 16:33.02 | furhun_ | mtn: how do i work that? |
| 16:33.13 | mtn | furhun_: work what? |
| 16:33.28 | furhun_ | man mount |
| 16:33.44 | mtn | furhun_: open terminal, type man mount, read |
| 16:33.59 | furhun_ | mtn: sorry.. yes already there :D |
| 16:35.40 | socomm | alxjsn: custom license plate? don't. |
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| 16:36.04 | zinx | alxjsn: 1|l11 |
| 16:36.05 | alxjsn | socomm: k guy |
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| 16:36.22 | socomm | furhun_: you can also read the manual page in your browser |
| 16:36.39 | furhun_ | socomm: how? share |
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| 16:39.52 | furhun_ | mtn: in the media folder, there are four folders that are always there "usb usb0 cdrom cdrom0" should they be there? |
| 16:40.09 | mtn | furhun_: sure |
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| 16:40.33 | furhun_ | mtn: they should be there? |
| 16:41.00 | socomm | furhun_: google "man mount" |
| 16:41.18 | furhun_ | mtn: I started off with a minimal install (not quite mind you) but without a DE and GUI.. SO i tried to mount a drive... maybe the folders were created then? |
| 16:42.30 | furhun_ | mtn: Can i delete those folders... |
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| 16:44.01 | furhun_ | when I use GDM and login to any wm session, nautilus automatically lists all other partitions ready to mount.. but when i dont use GDM, and login to icewm, there're entries in nautilus for mounting the cdrom,crdrom0,usb,usb0 drives.. what is this ? |
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| 16:44.16 | mtn | furhun_: leave those folders alone |
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| 16:58.37 | level8 | hi all |
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| 17:02.12 | level8 | I have moved all my emails to icedove |
| 17:02.18 | level8 | but.... the fonts are too small |
| 17:02.33 | level8 | any idea on how to improve the size of the fonts (For the menu) |
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| 17:02.48 | level8 | the emails and the chat texts are ok... but the menu fonts are really too small |
| 17:03.11 | level8 | or if you can tell me where I can find a GUI irc chat program... |
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| 17:05.20 | mtn | level8: you can find them in synaptic ;) |
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| 17:06.07 | level8 | well any preference? :) |
| 17:06.20 | level8 | for the font i the menu of icedove? |
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| 17:06.59 | dioz | irc vandals spammin all of your channels |
| 17:07.05 | dioz | you so fuckin raged you jupin all of my handles |
| 17:07.07 | mtn | level8: I think the menu fonts are controlled by the system font |
| 17:07.17 | mtn | level8: are you running gnome? |
| 17:07.18 | dioz | cause i pump so hard |
| 17:07.35 | dioz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XzGVUAm1kQ <-- i pump so hard |
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| 17:08.29 | Guest89033 | hi i need help with transmission daemon,i try to change the configs but the transmission dont assume that changes, e stop before make the changes and have edit the /etc/transmission-daemon/settings.json |
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| 17:09.01 | Guest89033 | i'am using debian |
| 17:09.16 | level8 | mnt, you are right they are..and all the rest resize correctly |
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| 17:09.23 | level8 | but not icedove :( |
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| 17:09.51 | level8 | I mean.. all the rest is resizing |
| 17:10.02 | mtn | level8: maybe you need to rename your .icedove folder and try a default one. |
| 17:10.06 | level8 | icedove is not |
| 17:10.16 | level8 | well I have put all my email there it would be a mess |
| 17:10.36 | level8 | maybe I should try to see with some preferences in the profile ? I mean some font setting there |
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| 17:11.25 | mtn | level8: try making a new user and see what icedove looks like for that user. if ok, it is a problem with your .iceweasel |
| 17:11.38 | mtn | .icedove, that is |
| 17:12.18 | level8 | ok I will take a look |
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| 17:13.41 | dioz | bridge |
| 17:13.46 | dioz | or ip masquerade |
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| 17:24.02 | level7 | ok it worked.. I had imported the userChrome file... |
| 17:24.20 | level7 | so.. it that setting was pushing icedove to use that font type |
| 17:24.32 | level7 | now... well... the menu is not maximizing |
| 17:24.38 | level7 | but hey... one thing a time ;) |
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| 17:26.19 | level7 | so hey all.... any advice regarding irc chat software on debian? :) |
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| 17:27.15 | centrx | level7, There are many |
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| 17:28.50 | level7 | ok so what are you using centrx |
| 17:28.55 | centrx | Hexchat |
| 17:29.18 | centrx | Which is a fork of X-Chat |
| 17:29.21 | Jeeves_Moss | has anyone run into the memory leak problem when starting a new terminal window on Desktop? |
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| 17:32.06 | socomm | Jeeves_Moss: you'll need to be mroe specific. |
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| 17:32.23 | Jeeves_Moss | socomm, one sec. I'll see if I can reproduce it |
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| 17:32.40 | Guest89033 | hi i need help with transmission ,i try to change the configs but the transmission dont assume that changes, e stop before make the changes and have edit the /etc/transmission-daemon/settings.json |
| 17:32.49 | Jeeves_Moss | socomm, it's when running "sudo -s" |
| 17:32.52 | Jeeves_Moss | socomm, no talloc stackframe at ../source3/param/loadparm.c:4864, leaking memory |
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| 17:34.03 | Guest89033 | if a start the transmission in the shell the config file go to /root/.config/transmission-daemon/settings.json |
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| 17:35.02 | socomm | Jeeves_Moss: report a bug, I don't use Xwindows on my debian installs. |
| 17:35.24 | Jeeves_Moss | it's already been reported before me and confirmed. So, I didn't know if there was a work around |
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| 17:49.09 | babilen | Guest89033: Are you trying to run it as a daemon? |
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| 17:54.33 | Guest89033 | hi, some one know what its a good channel to make qustions about transmission ? |
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| 17:55.42 | bazhang | #transmission |
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| 17:57.26 | babilen | Guest89033: Okay: If you want to start the daemon then please, do *that* and use the init script (i.e. "service transmission-daemon start") |
| 17:57.29 | meaneye | Anyone has idea how one can use LD_PRELOAD to specify GLX library? |
| 17:57.50 | babilen | LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/whatever foo-executable |
| 17:58.13 | meaneye | I know that, I was wondering if you knew the library. |
| 17:58.31 | babilen | I am, however, far from sure that it is an applicable method to switch between different GLX implementations if that is what you are after. |
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| 17:59.24 | Guest89033 | i can start the service, what i dont is where is the config file settings.json |
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| 17:59.50 | meaneye | Well, I am. I have 2 X.Org screens and nVidia loads their OpenGL library. I was thinking about trying to avoid that through this option. |
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| 18:03.07 | babilen | Guest89033: /etc/transmission-daemon/settings.json |
| 18:03.32 | Guest89033 | i change that file with the transmission stop |
| 18:03.32 | babilen | Guest89033: I assumed that you knew that because you mentioned it earlier |
| 18:03.54 | Guest89033 | but the change are not assumed |
| 18:04.09 | babilen | Guest89033: Have you read http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/transmission.git/tree/debian/README.json ? ( /usr/share/doc/transmission-common/README.json ) |
| 18:05.15 | babilen | But you typically run the daemon, connect to it, change settings and be done with it. |
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| 18:07.32 | Guest89033 | i have config the transmission often is the first time that I am not getting |
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| 18:20.31 | aregien | hello, is there a debian developer channel? |
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| 18:22.18 | osmo_SMS | no, only noobs here |
| 18:23.09 | jmcnaught | aregien: there is a list of debian channels on the wiki, but you could also try asking your question here if you have one |
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| 18:27.30 | aregien | is there a problem with #debian-release ? |
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| 18:30.21 | jmcnaught | aregien: most of the official Debian channels are on irc.oftc.net (not freenode) |
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| 18:32.00 | aregien | I have a problem with Debian Jessie. Last time I updated the packages, whenever I run a certain application, X crashes and I'm presented with a login screen. I'm running jessie with xfce. Can anyone help me identify and solve the problem? |
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| 18:33.13 | osmo_SMS | maybe reinstall x? |
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| 18:34.03 | jmcnaught | aregien: A good place to start would be putting your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on http://paste.debian.net (check the date on though, if you've switched to systemd you might need to use journalctl to get the logs) |
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| 18:39.08 | jmcnaught | aregien: you might also tell use the "certain application" that is causing the crash. ~/.xsession-errors might also have some clues. Debian Jessie has a channel #debian-next on irc.oftc.net where you might find people who have had similar problems and can offer better help. |
| 18:39.26 | jmcnaught | s/use/us/ |
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| 18:41.23 | aregien | jmcnaught: thank you, I am currently tailing those files in vterms and am going to launch the application to see if i get any errors, so i have to logoff for now. i'll check out the oftc.net channel if that doesn't work. thanks again |
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| 18:42.09 | aregien | oh, and it's the Steam client |
| 18:42.15 | aregien | that causes the crash |
| 18:43.55 | unclezipper | aregien: Probably something to do with your gpu, then |
| 18:44.21 | aregien | well how do you explain that it started when i upgraded some packages? i can't tell which because there were like 80 |
| 18:44.45 | aregien | and i use the proprietary drivers which i installed manually |
| 18:45.33 | jmcnaught | aregien: installing the drivers manually by running the installer from nvidia/amd website is not recommended.. the proper way is to use the packages provided by Debian. |
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| 18:48.01 | somiaj | aregien: this is a common thing that happens when mixing the vendor non-free drivers and upgrades. dpkg does not know about the files you isntalled and will overwrite them causing conflicts. What video card? You should clean up what ever the non-free divers did and install them from debian (though right now jessie doesn't have nvidia or fglrx drivers in it while the xorg abi works itself out) |
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| 18:50.04 | aregien | jmcnaught: i had to install the beta drivers to get Nvidia Optimus support because my laptop has a onboard intel gpu and a geforce 610m gpu which, if you don't know what Optimus is, means that the nvidia gpu is not connected to the display and only used to "offload" the rendering |
| 18:50.41 | aregien | so since jessie doesn't have the proprietary drivers packaged, i had to install the drivers manually |
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| 18:51.19 | aregien | and the open source drivers don't cut it for steam games on linux |
| 18:52.19 | aregien | So i might reinstall the gpu drivers |
| 18:52.39 | jmcnaught | aregien: https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee and https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ---- also as far as I know the nvidia drivers are back in Jessie. They got bumped out for about a week because Xorg was upgraded to a newer version that wasn't supported by the nvidia drivers, but I think that's now been resolved. The better solution would have been to use nouveau for a few days, or pull the newer drivers from unstable. |
| 18:52.59 | BluesKaj | aregien, maybe not on jessie, but a lot of ubuntu users would disagree |
| 18:53.29 | aregien | jmcnaught: bumblebee is basically redundant since the nvidia drivers support optimus out of the box now |
| 18:53.40 | towo` | nvidia-driver is available in jessie since today |
| 18:53.47 | aregien | but yes, i am still a noob, i dont know about pulling packages from unstable |
| 18:53.58 | aregien | towo`: thanks for letting me know |
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| 18:54.25 | towo` | and installing nvidia from the installer in a multiarch-enabled debian will break the system |
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| 18:55.08 | aregien | i thought installing packages from other releases was a bad thing because of glib incompatabilities |
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| 18:55.27 | ITAL0 | hello all |
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| 18:56.30 | jmcnaught | aregien: if you're a noob you might consider running Debian Stable (Wheezy) for a bit while you're learning. You can always upgrade later. From what I understand you can run Steam in a Jessie schroot on Wheezy. Debian Jessie/Testing is a development branch and it does break. Using the nvidia installer probably just broke it a little more. See also https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian :) |
| 18:56.38 | ITAL0 | what stuff of kernel is : 2.6.32-042stab092.2 |
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| 18:57.32 | jmcnaught | aregien: mixing releases on Debian Stable is bad for sure. Jessie/Testing is only about a week behind Unstable |
| 18:58.09 | aregien | jmcnaught: thank you for your concern, but i have already tried stable and found it to be too outdated. the wheezy-backports are only for select high-profiles software. i selected jessie knowing the implications of unstable software |
| 18:58.28 | jmcnaught | ITAL0: you're on an OpenVZ VPS? This kind of VPS doesn't control its own kernel, it runs on the kernel of the host. |
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| 18:59.42 | ITAL0 | jmcnaught I have a vps with debian 7 |
| 18:59.51 | unclezipper | aregien: I installed Debian Jessie on a laptop for a client with a gtx 7xx GPU and a 4th gen i7. I had to install Bumblebee; nvidia's drivers were bringing the system to its knees |
| 19:00.50 | jmcnaught | aregien: the nvidia-driver package in Jessie depends on another package nvidia-installer-cleanup which will attempt to remove the mess created by nvidia's installer |
| 19:00.57 | unclezipper | Maybe write in hatemail to nvidia? That always makes me feel better. :P Maybe one of these days they'll snap and open-source their drivers |
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| 19:01.18 | aregien | unclezipper: does steam use bumblebee when it launches the games or do you have to create a launcher with the bumblebee command? |
| 19:01.33 | aregien | jmcnaught: thanks, that'll come in handy :) |
| 19:01.36 | jmcnaught | ITAL0: well.. mostly Debian 7 with an RHEL6/OpenVZ kernel by the looks of it |
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| 19:02.46 | unclezipper | aregien: As far as I know, there's no (easy) way to have the programs render with the nvidia gpu automagically. You'd have to make a new launcher, prefixing the command with "optirun" or similar. I don't remember the name of the command ): |
| 19:03.22 | jmcnaught | aregien: also re: my advice to use Debian Stable at first.. you could probably run a Jessie chroot in Wheezy for running Steam. The big advantage with Stable is that stuff doesn't break/change when you do updates :) |
| 19:03.24 | aregien | yes it's optirun, you have to prefix every 3d rendered application with 'optirun' for bumblebee to work -.- |
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| 19:04.19 | aregien | jmcnaught: I already ran it for half a year and couldn't bear the outdated packages and now i like to live on the edge |
| 19:04.48 | aregien | jmcnaught: besides, i can only learn from the experience |
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| 19:05.37 | unclezipper | aregien: Maybe if you're not too concerned with battery life, you can start X with optirun. I've never tried that one before |
| 19:06.50 | jmcnaught | aregien: "stuff's broken but at least it's a newer version" kind of thing eh? If you're on Jessie you should install "apt-listbugs" and "apt-listchanges" so that apt-get will try to warn you about major bugs or changes while doing an upgrade. Anyways good luck, and don't forget the more docs you read, the easier it gets :) |
| 19:10.02 | unclezipper | So, uh... I'm out of the loop, I suppose. Did anyone else know that Intel was manufacturing 8 core Atoms? |
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| 19:11.21 | ITAL0 | jmcnaught pratically with OpenVZ is possible create many vm-jails without install a new operative system |
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| 19:12.50 | jmcnaught | ITAL0: i know what it is. you have a VPS running on OpenVZ, which means you can't run a proper Debian kernel. There's also a high probability that the "Debian 7 template" your host uses is modified in some ways, important standard packages missing for example. |
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| 19:13.20 | aregien | jmcnaught: I have nothing against stable, it would be my first choice of OS if I wanted to setup a computer for a family member. But I am a developer and having headaches because a piece of software that I am used to have at the latest version (off the top of my head: Pidgin or VLC) be 1-2 years behind. These little things are the reason people end up switching to a faster release cycle based distro like ubuntu or arch. But thanks for the advice. |
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| 19:14.32 | ITAL0 | jmcnaught I may install software from the reposity, and I have the root account |
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| 19:15.04 | jmcnaught | ITAL0: do you have a Debian support question? |
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| 19:16.51 | strawbs | a gui music player like clementine but without all the bloated crap? audacious? any suggestions? |
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| 19:17.39 | ITAL0 | jmcnaught only I installed exim4, the mails go out, but don't go inside from external domains |
| 19:17.45 | Abator | my system boot at the grub prompt, what i should do to make grub go into mbr? |
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| 19:17.55 | jelly-home | strawbs: we don't know which features in clementine you find unnecessary |
| 19:18.07 | strawbs | jelly-home: basically everything except play music from disk |
| 19:18.25 | jelly-home | strawbs: so, you don't need a playlist? |
| 19:18.31 | strawbs | i do, hence the gui |
| 19:18.35 | jelly-home | library? id3 tags? |
| 19:18.39 | strawbs | but i dont need the other media features |
| 19:18.43 | strawbs | not really nope |
| 19:18.46 | strawbs | id3 stuff maybe |
| 19:18.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | What's the proper way to get ssh in a terminal to ask for a password graphically in GNOME? I have the askpass installed but it doesn't show up unless I use setsid, and that results in lines being intertwined in the terminal. |
| 19:19.09 | strawbs | just something with like, a file browser that i can tab, and a playlist view, the end |
| 19:19.20 | jelly-home | xmms2? |
| 19:19.42 | strawbs | ok, thanks |
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| 19:20.05 | unclezipper | Eduard_Munteanu: Not exactly what you're asking, but the "proper" was is to disable password-based authentication and use key-based auths instead |
| 19:20.27 | jmcnaught | ITAL0: you don't need to hilight me on every message or use "/me" eh. I suggest you put relevant logs and exim4 configuration files on http://paste.debian.net/ and if someone knows how to help they will :) |
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| 19:20.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | unclezipper: I am, but I have to supply a password to decrypt the key |
| 19:21.11 | ITAL0 | ok, thanks |
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| 19:21.56 | Abator | i see only grub prompt when reboot system. need to fix mbr. please let me know how to do it? |
| 19:22.42 | unclezipper | Eduard_Munteanu: Which desktop environment are you using |
| 19:23.10 | unclezipper | GNOME, nevermind... I'm out of my mind today |
| 19:24.13 | Abator | may i ask again if anybody can help me to fi mbr from grub prompt? |
| 19:24.21 | Abator | fix** |
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| 19:25.03 | elichai2 | how can i add samba printer? |
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| 19:26.12 | unclezipper | Eduard_Munteanu: From what I can see, setsid is the only way you can do it. What do you mean the lines are intertwined in the terminal? |
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| 19:28.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | Eduard_Munteanu: if I connect through ssh (e.g. setsid ssh ...), pressing enter results in lines from the local and remote terminal alternating, e.g. the prompt |
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| 19:30.09 | jelly-home | Eduard_Munteanu: two processes battling for control of tty, fun isn't it |
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| 19:31.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | Sorry, had to reconnect. |
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| 19:33.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | Any idea why that behavior happens with setsid? |
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| 20:02.40 | pepijndevos_ | The linux console seems to have trouble displaying unicode. Are there any solutions or alternatives? |
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| 20:04.17 | babilen | pepijndevos_: There are several X terminals that are tailored to this such as rxvt-unicode and mlterm. gnome-terminal has no problem with anything you throw at it either. |
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| 20:06.04 | jlim | hey guys |
| 20:07.17 | pepijndevos_ | babilen: I'm not using X |
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| 20:08.20 | zykotick9 | pepijndevos_: only my opinion, but linux console is very limiting. for a while i used it exclusively, but am much happier now, with X+awesome and my terminal applications. YMMV. |
| 20:08.26 | babilen | pepijndevos_: Why not? It allows you to, well, use tools that do what you want them to do. |
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| 20:08.38 | ToraxMalu | nabend |
| 20:08.41 | babilen | If you don't want that, then, well, fair enough. |
| 20:09.40 | pepijndevos_ | I'll see how long I can survive this... just testing my minumalism. I found there are some userspace fb terminals, anyone know if they are good? |
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| 20:11.32 | zykotick9 | pepijndevos_: i failed to get the fb terminal working properly, hope you have better luck. i did appreciate tmux's features when trying to use only console (and still do sometimes). good luck. |
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| 20:11.44 | cdb23ax | hello, i have a question about QoS. I have set the default route through a gre tunnel interface. then i tried to specify some QoS Settings in Server Upstream direction. i did the following: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.cookbook.ultimate-tc.html i have applied the rulez to the other gre endpoint but the upload is limited on my end not on the other. |
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| 20:12.53 | cdb23ax | what i plöan is to limit my download so that one download does not fill the pipe |
| 20:12.57 | cdb23ax | *plan |
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| 20:13.25 | neglesaks | i approve of having a plön |
| 20:13.51 | pepijndevos_ | zykotick9: yea, I'm learning more tmux than ever. |
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| 20:14.32 | babilen | pepijndevos_: Use a suitable font (not sure, terminus might get you somewhere) load the nls_utf8 and try that. Seriously, there is "minimal" and there is "not usable" |
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| 20:15.06 | babilen | I'm sure that equal minded people have written something about it. Forgive me if *I* don't invest more lifetime into it. Good luck! |
| 20:15.32 | pepijndevos_ | zykotick9: which one did you try? |
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| 20:17.42 | WormFood | I can program in C, Assembly language, bash script, php, and some other odds-n-ends, but I've never take the time to learn either perl or python. Any suggestions on which of the two would be more useful to learn? I'm thinking probably python. What do you guys think? |
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| 20:19.51 | format_c | WormFood, Even though I'm a Perl child I'd devide for Python as this is the more modern language IMHO |
| 20:19.52 | babilen | WormFood: I think that this should be taken to #debian-offtopic |
| 20:20.17 | WormFood | babilen, yeah, you're right |
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| 20:21.19 | zykotick9 | pepijndevos_: fbterm i believe |
| 20:21.46 | pepijndevos_ | thanks, will try it. |
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| 20:24.28 | redeyedman | hi, i have question, are stable releases long term support ? |
| 20:24.37 | babilen | No, they are not |
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| 20:24.55 | redeyedman | babilen: ok, thx |
| 20:25.10 | babilen | squeeze gets some rudimentary *longer* support, but Debian provides support for up to a year after the next release (or the release thereafter) for stable releases |
| 20:25.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell redeyedman about squeeze-lts |
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| 20:32.51 | shakur | hello, I need a full debian linux sourcode copy with kernel sourcode dated 23.02.2002 to 23.02.2003 |
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| 20:33.34 | babilen | shakur: why? |
| 20:33.38 | atannus | jmcnaught, shingouz howdy. |
| 20:34.26 | shakur | i want to branch a new linux project |
| 20:34.31 | jmcnaught | atannus: hi there. did you get all your DHCP problems sorted out? |
| 20:34.52 | ompaul | good luck with that |
| 20:35.27 | ompaul | and this http://archive.debian.org/README |
| 20:35.28 | atannus | jmcnaught: jmcnaught I fell asleep, it was 4am... |
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| 20:39.19 | atannus | jmcnaught: It is either the memory chip I pulld out (remember the Machine Check Error?), or something else. |
| 20:39.51 | atannus | jmcnaught: So I thought I'd ask, what is a good way to thoroughly test memory? MemTest86? 86+? How long should I run it for? |
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| 20:40.03 | shakur | @ompual thank you for the link, but how can i verify that woody r0 or woody r1 have not been modified? |
| 20:40.52 | shakur | @ompaul, thank you for the link, but how can i verify that woody r0 or woody r1 have not been modified? |
| 20:41.15 | ompaul | I guess you need their gpg keys and that is way offtopic for this generation |
| 20:41.16 | jmcnaught | atannus: i think memtest86+ is the newer of the two, and that if you install the package it gets added as a GRUB option at boot, but I honestly don't have a lot of experience with it |
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| 20:41.38 | ompaul | btw running kernels and all that stuff that old is just asking for a nasty attack of the failed hardware |
| 20:41.53 | ompaul | cos modern hardware and that level of kernel won't be fun |
| 20:42.39 | ompaul | then you have the libc issues that lurk in the dark waiting to eat you alive |
| 20:42.51 | atannus | brb |
| 20:42.51 | ompaul | you are going to have fun, and we won't support it, slightly three old |
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| 20:42.57 | petn-randall | ompaul: HE's running a museum ;) |
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| 20:49.36 | shakur | @ompaul, alright, i need just one more information, ... could you help me gathering together the source codes |
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| 20:51.56 | studio | hey guys, running apt-get update I`ve got this http://pastebin.geany.org/6njQo/ is anything I can do to fix this ? |
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| 20:54.44 | jmcnaught | studio: check http://mozilla.debian.net/ for details but as far as i understand Squeeze is not supported any more. Maybe it's time to finally upgrade to Wheezy? |
| 20:55.58 | studio | jmcnaught, I`m afraid of it.... I`m on Avlinux and I`m scared to update and affect my audio works |
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| 20:56.49 | jmcnaught | !avlinux |
| 20:56.50 | dpkg | AV Linux (formerly A/V Linux) is a 32-bit Live DVD distribution based on Debian <squeeze> (as of version 6). It specializes in multimedia content creation using realtime-patched kernels. AV Linux is not supported in #debian. Support forum: http://remastersys.com/forums/?board=20 . http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:57.17 | rryoumaa | what's the default curl certificates file? /etc/ca-certificates? i keep getting expired error, but the site works fine in iceweasel. |
| 20:57.19 | studio | yes, but they don`t have an irc channel |
| 20:58.21 | jmcnaught | studio: that doesn't mean that avlinux is supported here :) also mozilla.debian.net is no longer supporting squeeze. |
| 20:59.21 | studio | jmcnaught, just one question, how long will squeeze being supported ? |
| 21:00.07 | rryoumaa | (restating for clarity) what's the default curl ssl certificates file? /etc/ca-certificates? i keep getting expired certificate, but the site works fine in iceweasel. |
| 21:00.09 | jmcnaught | studio: squeeze support ended in May of this year if I recall correctly |
| 21:00.42 | studio | jmcnaught, thanks |
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| 21:02.23 | atannus | jmcnaught: memtest86+ found 190 errors, I guess that settles the matter?? |
| 21:03.01 | atannus | jmcnaught: I read in the debian wiki that I can isolate the bad mem addresses and still use the chip... Is that easy to do? Is it worth the trouble? |
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| 21:04.44 | jmcnaught | rryoumaa: curl would be using the certificates from ca-certificates but I think Iceweasel has its own separate collection. /etc/ssl/certs has symlinks to all the certificates. the ca-certificates package also concatenates them all into a single /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt file. check /usr/share/doc/ca-certificates/README.Debian for some details |
| 21:05.38 | jmcnaught | atannus: it might be worth it if that RAM the only RAM you have and it's just a temporary fix. Personally I'd try to go without it, or replace it instead. |
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| 21:06.35 | atannus | jmcnaught: one of two 4gb chips... Plus it is the old one, so I think I can live without it... I was to cocky with 8gb ram, now I'm mortal again. |
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| 21:06.52 | MY123 | atannus: If it is true, go to buy new mem or run a Linux kernel compilation to be sure. |
| 21:07.16 | atannus | MY123: why run linux kernel compilation? |
| 21:07.35 | neglesaks | for comfort |
| 21:07.47 | atannus | ? |
| 21:07.54 | MY123 | atannus: It is a very good RAM tester. |
| 21:08.17 | atannus | MY123: ah... Is it better than memtest86? |
| 21:08.57 | spacebison | atannus: Like this? http://gquigs.blogspot.com/2009/01/bad-memory-howto.html |
| 21:09.26 | MY123 | atannus: Yes. Be sure to run it with make -j32. |
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| 21:10.17 | atannus | MY123: I'ver never compiled kernel compilation... |
| 21:10.38 | atannus | err.. done kernel compilation... |
| 21:11.33 | MY123 | atannus: It is the most reliable memory test ever . |
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| 21:12.12 | jmcnaught | MY123: atannus: I'm not exactly sure how that would be helpful if memtest86+ is already reporting so many errors. It's been a long while since I compiled a kernel. Does it give memory diagnostics, or would it just fail mysteriously (confirming bad RAM somehow with an unrelated error)? |
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| 21:12.56 | rryoumaa | jmcnaught: thank you (and thank you for your polite and useful answers to other users too, btw). curl uses CApath: /etc/ssl/certs. so this should mean it's getting every cert, right? |
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| 21:13.24 | MY123 | jmcnaught: It will sig11. |
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| 21:14.38 | jmcnaught | rryoumaa: I believe so. Is it a custom certificate that you're having trouble with, or one that is included in the package? And you're welcome, I like helping :) |
| 21:14.53 | MY123 | jmcnaught: Is it good to disable only the chunks of corrupted ram ? |
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| 21:16.19 | atannus | MY123: but isn't that an indirect test? I mean, is it not better to use a tool specifically suited for ram testing? Maybe you're just being hyperbolic, but if not I'm curious as to why compiling a kernel for an apparently indirect test is preferable to running such a simple tool... Are you being hyperbolic? |
| 21:16.25 | jmcnaught | MY123: I don't know, I've never tried anything like that. I suppose one could attempt it, but I'd be afraid that solution couldn't be relied on. Sort of like standing on a chair that has one of its legs replaced with a toilet paper tube |
| 21:16.34 | d3lxa | I've read nfs v4 exports only a single directory, is that true? "NFSv4 exports exist in a single pseudo filesystem" from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto (without kerberos) |
| 21:17.52 | rryoumaa | jmcnaught: i don't know how to determine what certificate is expired. if i go to the site in iceweasel, it shows up with a non-expired certificate that's signed by a major ca. |
| 21:18.01 | rryoumaa | curl -v does not print it |
| 21:18.19 | atannus | MY123, jmcnaught: It can output a list of bad RAM regions usable by the BadRAM kernel patch, so that you can still use your old RAM with one or two bad bits. |
| 21:18.29 | MY123 | atannus: A heavy compilation shows some errors that are not detected by q |
| 21:18.38 | MY123 | *a tester. |
| 21:18.48 | atannus | That was taken from: https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/memtest86+ |
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| 21:20.57 | MY123 | atannus: Do a badram mod then stress-test the system 24 hours. Then you can be sure. |
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| 21:21.11 | tpw_rules | my ssh sessions aren't getting cleanly closed upon shutdown. i'm running jessie on an arm embedded system |
| 21:21.24 | tpw_rules | anything quick i can check? i saw a bug from like 2010 that was fixed |
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| 21:23.08 | MY123 | tpw_rules: I think that wheezy is bt |
| 21:23.16 | MY123 | *better |
| 21:23.30 | tpw_rules | it wasn't working with python 3 |
| 21:23.46 | jmcnaught | rryoumaa: does it give you ore details with "curl -I" ? Are you on Wheezy, and are all packages (ca-certificates in particular) up to date? |
| 21:23.59 | tpw_rules | i couldn't get python 3.4 and jessie was suggested for my particular environment |
| 21:24.16 | MY123 | tpw_rules: You can do an hybrid wheezy-jessie system. |
| 21:24.26 | tpw_rules | that sounds really disgusting |
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| 21:25.54 | jmcnaught | rryoumaa: also I found the following link in the curl man page, which suggests you might try using the openssl command to get info on the certificate used by the server: http://curl.haxx.se/docs/sslcerts.html |
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| 21:26.34 | jmcnaught | MY123: don't recommend mixing wheezy and jessie, we call that a FrankenDebian around here and it's an ugly kind of broken |
| 21:26.48 | tpw_rules | that's what i thought |
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| 21:26.56 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell MY123 -about frankendebian |
| 21:27.44 | rryoumaa | jmcnaught: wheezy, up to date, but 2013-08-20. -I does not show anything new, nor -v. |
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| 21:29.23 | atannus | MY123: 334 errors are unlikely false positives. I guess a stress test would do good if memtest was returning 0 errors... |
| 21:29.31 | atannus | The chip is bad... bummer... |
| 21:29.48 | jmcnaught | MY123: you might also be interested in reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian and https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_precautions |
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| 21:30.37 | jmcnaught | tpw_rules: have you found any clues in the logs. what do you mean by not closing cleanly? |
| 21:31.02 | tpw_rules | jmcnaught: i do something like shutdown -h now and my connection dies. i'd expect Shut down now! or whatever and then 'remote host closed the connection' |
| 21:31.24 | tpw_rules | i have to wait for the client to realize the pipe broke or kill it |
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| 21:36.16 | jmcnaught | tpw_rules: hmm.. i don't know what would be doing that. Have you looked for a bug on the Debian bug tracker? In the mean time if you're not already aware of it "~." from your ssh client will drop the connection ("~?" will show other escape sequences.. needs to be done from a newline) |
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| 21:37.13 | tpw_rules | there was a bug back in like 2010 that related to systemd not properly tracking children and killing them on shutdown, but it was fixed back then too |
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| 21:41.48 | banjo | problem with slim. installed lightdm -> dpkg-reconfigure lightdm -> purge lightdm -> dpkg-reconfigure slim -> no slim autostart -> systemctl enable slim.service -> no slim autostart (with reboots) |
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| 21:43.19 | banjo | tried set it up with no displaymanager but X starts over tty2 not 7. then started slim manually. slim started over tty2 -> killed slim -> startx -> X starts over tty4 |
| 21:43.43 | banjo | i want slim to start again automatically |
| 21:44.23 | banjo | tired reinstall, diddnt help |
| 21:46.48 | banjo | and where is the blue config box gone for choosing displaymanagers? im on testing |
| 21:47.31 | redeyedman | banjo: try configure slim config |
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| 21:50.41 | banjo | redeyedman: there are no changes |
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| 21:51.57 | redeyedman | banjo: may be there is broken unit for slim |
| 21:52.00 | MetaleerIsGay | good evening |
| 21:52.32 | banjo | hm. before lightdm it was all good |
| 21:52.52 | banjo | hi |
| 21:53.19 | MetaleerIsGay | hi Metaleer :) |
| 21:53.43 | redeyedman | banjo: did you disabling lightdm unit before purge it? |
| 21:54.14 | banjo | no |
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| 21:54.40 | MetaleerIsGay | METALEER IS GAY :D |
| 21:54.55 | jmcnaught | MetaleerIsGay: do you need some help with Debian? |
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| 21:55.21 | MetaleerIsGay | NO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT METALEER IS VERY GAY :D |
| 21:55.32 | redeyedman | banjo: may be its unit causes conlict, look the journalctl -xn |
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| 21:55.50 | jmcnaught | MetaleerIsGay: so what? be quiet please. |
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| 21:56.20 | redeyedman | jmcnaught: don't feed this troll |
| 21:59.01 | banjo | redeyedman: have there 3x kernel: eth0 1x kernel: audit, 3x cron and 3x su |
| 21:59.13 | MetaleerIsGay | METALEER IS A FUCKING FRUITY FAGGOT :D esegsegsgr |
| 21:59.17 | MetaleerIsGay | METALEER IS A FUCKING FRUITY FAGGOT :D esegsdfhdhdhdh |
| 21:59.21 | MetaleerIsGay | METALEER IS A FUCKING FRUITY FAGGOT :D edgdhdfdgsfas |
| 21:59.25 | MetaleerIsGay | METALEER IS A FUCKING FRUITY FAGGOT :D edgdfhdhdgsdrg |
| 21:59.29 | MetaleerIsGay | METALEER IS A FUCKING FRUITY FAGGOT :D dgdfghdfhd |
| 21:59.33 | MetaleerIsGay | METALEER IS A FUCKING FRUITY FAGGOT :D fhhjdfhfdhf |
| 21:59.37 | MetaleerIsGay | METALEER IS A FUCKING FRUITY FAGGOT :Ddhdfghdfgdgddg |
| 21:59.39 | banjo | ./ignore :) |
| 21:59.55 | jmcnaught | !ops MetaleerIsGay homophobic troll |
| 21:59.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: MetaleerIsGay homophobic troll |
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| 22:01.09 | jmcnaught | thank you :) |
| 22:01.20 | mentor | *poof* |
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| 22:03.45 | MY123 | Bad news at Broadcom, but good for open-source. |
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| 22:04.20 | shakur | what news ? |
| 22:04.44 | BesterikGabe | Hi, I would like to know if it is secure to use debian testing, I mean there is not security line... |
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| 22:05.15 | MY123 | shakur: BCM layed off all its VideoCpre and mobile employees. |
| 22:05.24 | jmcnaught | BesterikGabe: if you're concerned about security it's best to use Debian Stable. If you're talking about a server, using Testing is kind of nuts. |
| 22:05.27 | MY123 | *VideoCor |
| 22:05.33 | MY123 | *e |
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| 22:07.11 | BesterikGabe | jmcnaught, for gaming, steam, and games in general need glib 2.15 |
| 22:07.15 | BesterikGabe | :( |
| 22:07.29 | BesterikGabe | /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by ./runner) |
| 22:07.36 | BesterikGabe | The 50% of games need that |
| 22:07.39 | BesterikGabe | modern ones |
| 22:07.44 | BesterikGabe | And is apitty |
| 22:08.05 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell BesterikGabe -about enter |
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| 22:10.33 | jmcnaught | BesterikGabe: also ask the dpkg bot about "tum" and see https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch10.en.html#s-security-support-testing |
| 22:11.40 | shakur | excuse me, but how can i write private messages |
| 22:11.59 | MY123 | jmcnaught: Where is the dpkg bot source code ? |
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| 22:12.30 | MY123 | shakur: /msg NAME message |
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| 22:12.51 | jmcnaught | BesterikGabe: I don't run Steam myself, but if I did I would consider sticking to Wheezy and running Jessie in a schroot. Lots of desktop users use Debian Testing, but be warned it breaks sometimes. Last week updates to Xorg in Jessie broke proprietary video drivers for people.. fglrx is still unavailable for Jessie from what I understand. |
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| 22:14.01 | BesterikGabe | ok |
| 22:14.31 | BesterikGabe | I love debian, but I am thinking to have a Ubuntu partition only forgaming |
| 22:14.49 | jmcnaught | MY123: https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot i think it's "infobot" there's also a link to dpkg's database dumps there, and another link to a webpage you can search the factoids on |
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| 22:21.08 | orzo | is there a way to ask apt-cache or a similar tool to show me all installed packages that are not downloadable? |
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| 22:24.08 | jmcnaught | orzo: 'aptitude search "?obsolete"' should do the trick |
| 22:24.37 | MY123 | shakur: Received answer ? |
| 22:24.53 | orzo | jmcnaught: the word obsolete give me pause, i want to include local packages that i installed that are not available from any apt source |
| 22:25.53 | orzo | in fact, i'm actually most interested in those |
| 22:26.18 | jmcnaught | orzo: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html check the search patterns reference. "obsolete is installed packages which cannot be downloaded". You might also try something like aptitude search "?installed?not(?origin(debian))" |
| 22:26.19 | asturel | is there a way to 'exclude' xorg packages..? i wanted to install rrdcollect and it wants to libdrm* and libx11* stuff.. |
| 22:27.08 | somiaj | asturel: if they are hard dependencies then no (unless you recompile the package). Usually the xorg libs are quite small that the apps depend against. |
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| 22:27.32 | asturel | do i need 'libdrm2' on server? |
| 22:27.50 | orzo | thanks, jmcnaught |
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| 22:28.58 | asturel | well somiaj i think it just a bit too much http://bpaste.net/show/ggg3fC7yQXN42gn35Mx9/ |
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| 22:30.48 | orzo | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 22:30.48 | orzo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.48 | dpkg | orzo: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:31.14 | orzo | are my dpkg files corrupted? |
| 22:31.19 | orzo | how do i reset them? |
| 22:33.17 | jmcnaught | orzo: You probably need to provide more information. Which Debian release, what package is it talking about, what command did you try.. maybe put the command and complete output on http://paste.debian.net |
| 22:33.22 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell orzo about bat |
| 22:34.11 | asturel | if i no longer need i386, can i do this? sudo apt-get remove --purge `dpkg --get-selections | grep i386 | awk '{print $1}'` |
| 22:34.31 | asturel | since i cannot just remove the arch.. it says dpkg: error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the database |
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| 22:35.59 | asturel | or is there a way to just keep a 'basic' ia32libs and do not install every new package for i386 too? |
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| 22:36.06 | orzo | jmcnaught: i resolved my issued by deleting "root uml-net 4750 /usr/lib/uml/uml_net" from my /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride on wheezy |
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| 22:38.31 | somiaj | asturel: ia32-libs use to be a big package now you can install the actuall i386 libs you need. But if the dependences are hard dependences (not recomends or suggests) you can't install the package without recompiling it with the options to not include those dependencies (and features) |
| 22:39.17 | asturel | well then what do i need to run some basic 32bit app? |
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| 22:41.07 | petern_ | install the bits needed from the i386 architecture |
| 22:41.13 | asturel | ah ok |
| 22:41.15 | somiaj | asturel: you need all the i386 libs that app is dependent on. |
| 22:41.24 | asturel | i remember that ia32-libs renamed but i cant find to what |
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| 22:41.34 | petern_ | ia32-libs is gone |
| 22:41.47 | asturel | i remember it suggested another package instead of it |
| 22:41.52 | petern_ | it was a huge megapackage of completely different components that all just happened to be compiled for 32 bit |
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| 22:42.38 | petern_ | now you just have the same packages that would be used on an 32-bit system |
| 22:43.34 | somiaj | asturel: you install the name of hte libs you need, such as libc6:i386 |
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| 22:51.03 | asturel | ah thanks |
| 22:51.18 | asturel | can i somehow mark x11 packages as installed? |
| 22:51.31 | asturel | because it want me to install intel,nvidia,amd drivers.. |
| 22:51.35 | asturel | and i dont even have xorb |
| 22:51.37 | asturel | xorg |
| 22:51.48 | nf7 | How can I get rid of screen tearing? It happens everywhere, so I guess that vsync is not enabled at all. I'm using onboard Intel video: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02). |
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| 22:53.09 | jmcnaught | asturel: maybe try using apt-get with "--no-install-recommends" but that might mean the software you install is missing optional features you're expecting. |
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| 22:53.57 | asturel | i did |
| 22:54.03 | asturel | even added it to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 22:54.17 | asturel | cat /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 22:54.17 | asturel | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
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| 22:55.14 | asturel | btw it says e.g. the dbus package is no longer recommended, is it safe to apt-get autoremove those..? |
| 22:55.29 | asturel | http://bpaste.net/show/kJQyQPrmTjEuIB0weujM/ |
| 22:56.23 | asturel | why rrdcollect wants those packages btw? it isnt just a daemon which collect stats from e.g. proc? |
| 22:57.39 | asturel | ah i see it pulls rrdtool too |
| 22:59.04 | jmcnaught | asturel: those extra libraries are probably dependencies of a library that rrdcollect depends on, like libcairo2 perhaps. The packages in the "installed automatically" list were installed as dependencies of packages that have since been removed. Also it's easier to follow what you're saying if you don't hit <enter> so much :) |
| 22:59.55 | asturel | sorry, a bit late here :D but i still dont understand why it want those drivers |
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| 23:00.42 | jmcnaught | asturel: what drivers are you talking about, i only see libraries in the paste you linked to |
| 23:00.59 | asturel | libdrm..? |
| 23:01.02 | asturel | and libmesa |
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| 23:02.39 | jmcnaught | asturel: those are libraries. xserver-xorg-video-radeon would be a driver. |
| 23:02.54 | asturel | ah ok.. but the question is still we do i need that :D |
| 23:05.00 | asturel | sorry if im annoying.. i get used on gentoo that minimal packages get installed |
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| 23:05.23 | SharonAteSam | watch this on youtube funny as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCu3HnbnCLY |
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| 23:06.48 | asturel | btw dbus no longer used (on jessie) ? since it says dbus is no longer needed |
| 23:07.05 | asturel | it uses systemd now? |
| 23:07.39 | jmcnaught | asturel: heh.. are you installing Jessie on a server, or do you just prefer using your desktop in console only? |
| 23:07.48 | asturel | first one |
| 23:08.57 | jmcnaught | asturel: you're funny :) so concerned about package dependencies, but running a development branch that breaks and gets slow security updates on a server. You really should consider running Wheezy/Stable on a server for the sake of sanity |
| 23:09.13 | asturel | slow security updates? |
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| 23:09.30 | asturel | i thought since its 'testing' it get everything way sooner |
| 23:09.38 | mtn | heh |
| 23:10.23 | MrFrood | asturel: stable + backports is the way to go |
| 23:10.44 | asturel | ah.. but i think going back now would be stupid thing |
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| 23:12.40 | jmcnaught | asturel: going back now by reinstalling is the smart thing to do (apt downgrades are not supported). https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch10.en.html#s-security-support-testing |
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| 23:19.33 | jlim | anybody know when jessie is scheduled to be released? |
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| 23:19.53 | mtn | jlim: sure, when it is ready |
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| 23:20.13 | mtn | jlim: there is no schedule for releases |
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| 23:20.48 | jlim | mtn: do they give you a headsup before it is actually released? |
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| 23:21.05 | mtn | jlim: what do you mean by before? |
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| 23:21.53 | jlim | mtn: like do they let you know about a month before it is going to be released? |
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| 23:22.17 | mtn | jlim: not really. there will be rumors, but no schedule, like I already said |
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| 23:26.20 | jmcnaught | jlim: once Jessie is released Wheezy will continue to be supported for about a year, meaning you have a year to get the upgrade done |
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| 23:32.52 | jlim | jmcnaught: if i remove wheezy from the sources.list it will automatically upgrade when released? |
| 23:33.51 | mtn | jlim: you don't want to do that. wait until it comes out and read the release notes for how to upgrade |
| 23:33.52 | jmcnaught | jlim: not sure exactly what you mean but it sounds like a bad idea. You probably want to choose when to upgrade, and follow the upgrade release notes |
| 23:34.28 | jlim | ok thanks |
| 23:34.42 | jlim | <<<---debian newbie |
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| 23:48.30 | MadHatter42 | i'm trying to set up a honeypot and want to make appear all ports open via iptables, any ideas ? |
| 23:48.42 | MadHatter42 | some natting or so |
| 23:48.49 | MadHatter42 | port redirect |
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