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| 00:08.13 | mo1991 | cause ubuntu sucks :) |
| 00:09.47 | mtn | I thought it was the supercharger |
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| 00:19.16 | synamon | Hello... Is it possible that a kernel panic breaks the hardware of a laptop? I think I had a kernel panic and now my laptop won't work anymore. I press the start button but nothing happens... Also when I plug in the power adapter the little orange light at the bottom doesnt glow... I worked normally on my laptop until the kernel panic appeared and let it shutdown.. :(. |
| 00:20.02 | MY123 | synamon: Does your laptop have UEFI ? |
| 00:20.28 | synamon | Yes but i installed Debian in bios mode |
| 00:20.50 | MY123 | synamon: Is it a Samsung ? |
| 00:20.55 | synamon | Yes :( |
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| 00:21.23 | MY123 | synamon: Normal. Send it to warranty. |
| 00:22.08 | synamon | Oh okay... Why is that normal? o.o |
| 00:22.23 | Brigo | synamon, what model? |
| 00:22.28 | MY123 | synamon: Their BIOS/UEFI have a bug which kill the EEPROM when booting Linux. |
| 00:22.55 | Brigo | MY123, and booting from uefi? |
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| 00:23.45 | synamon | Samsung Np355v5c. But i booted Linux so often i use debian a half year, and there was never something like this... i never boot from uefi |
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| 00:23.56 | MY123 | Brigo: He does boot from BIOS mode. It is another bug. |
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| 00:24.21 | MY123 | synamon: What is the last working kernel release ? |
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| 00:26.12 | MY123 | synamon: Normal, if you are out-of-warranty , you can unsolder the EEPROM chip and repair its contents. |
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| 00:27.01 | Brigo | synamon, did you upgrade before the crash? |
| 00:27.10 | MY123 | (The bug is that the BIOS stores kernel panics in the place of itself) |
| 00:27.53 | MY123 | You have just the chance of living the KernelPanic. |
| 00:28.13 | synamon | Yes i upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie... It happend with the current jessie kernel (3.14 i think ) |
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| 00:29.14 | MY123 | synamon: Uw. Is your laptop still under warranty ? |
| 00:29.27 | synamon | No :( |
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| 00:29.54 | MY123 | synamon: Have you unsoldering skills ? |
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| 00:30.15 | MY123 | It is the only way. |
| 00:31.04 | synamon | Unfortunately not |
| 00:31.08 | jmcnaught | MY123: do you have a link for this bug you're talking about? |
| 00:31.53 | MY123 | jmcnaught: No. But had it when updating Sid. |
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| 00:32.42 | jmcnaught | synamon: probably not going to do anything, but have you tried also removing the battery for a moment with the power unplugged, then plugging it back in with the battery? When you say "not working" does that mean it shows no signs of life at all, or does it get stuck somewhere? |
| 00:33.41 | synamon | It is showing no sign of life at all, i already tried removing the battery |
| 00:33.52 | MY123 | jmcnaught: Unsoldered a chip before. The bug is just that the stack trace of Linux erases the BIOS code. Bad but critical. |
| 00:34.14 | MY123 | *also critical |
| 00:35.32 | MY123 | I think that Coreboot can work. |
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| 00:37.27 | MY123 | synamon: How did you have a kernel panic ? |
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| 00:38.01 | jmcnaught | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Protection-against-Samsung-UEFI-bug-merged-into-Linux-kernel-1795332.html --- I think MY123 is talking about this bug, but maybe it's a related one because it seems like the kernel has been patched to fix it. |
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| 00:38.55 | jmcnaught | synamon: You might try looking on the Samsung website for a "service manual" or similar for your laptop, there might be a workaround in a troubleshooting section. |
| 00:39.54 | MY123 | jmcnaught: There is a workaround but it need to be applied before living a Kernel Panic. |
| 00:40.15 | MY123 | It is blacklisting some Samsung modules. |
| 00:41.20 | jmcnaught | MY123: I'm just saying it could be something else if the kernel has already been patched for this, and synamon also said they'd never booted from UEFI. Checking for a manual on the manufacturer's website is at least worth a shot. |
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| 00:42.36 | MY123 | jmcnaught: There is another logging functionality which breaks if not using UEFI. |
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| 00:43.34 | MY123 | When the problem was resolved, he should reenable UEFI. |
| 00:43.41 | synamon | It happend suddently. I didnt do anything special. I was posting something on a forum when suddently my session was locked (im using kde). After one second it switched into a tty automatically where some text apperaed ( i couldt really read it, it was saying sonething about pci, it disappered too fast). After that, my laptop shut down. |
| 00:44.14 | synamon | *disappeared |
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| 00:45.02 | MY123 | synamon: Is there something useful in /var/log ( plug the HDD to a PC)? |
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| 00:46.33 | synamon | I dont have any other pc here at the moment... I'm writing here with my smartphone. Sorry |
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| 00:48.03 | MY123 | synamon: You should have bought another brand. Call Samsung, they may recognise a bug . |
| 00:49.59 | synamon | Okay... Thank you. |
| 00:50.54 | alexander-01 | what would I use for a fglrx-driver replacement? I am using debian testing and have tried the proprietary driver and had problems during installation. there is no candidate for fglrx-driver so any ideas appreciated |
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| 00:52.34 | jmcnaught | alexander-01: the radeon driver.. was it not installed by default? You may need to install the firmware and/or a mesa library, see this page for the details: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 00:53.26 | alexander-01 | jmcnaught: thanks for the help |
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| 01:54.38 | frazr | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2Fe8mySnE8 |
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| 01:57.15 | alphis | hey guys. i just apt-get install'd wine and when i run wine or even wine --version it simple fails |
| 01:57.18 | alphis | any ideas? |
| 01:58.17 | alphis | like it doesn't even run fails... the exitcode is 1 |
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| 02:30.39 | frazr | :> |
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| 02:31.18 | alexiel | hey guys trying to install gui for whiite (linux for wii) |
| 02:31.41 | alexiel | anybody willing to give me some advice? |
| 02:33.09 | frazr | not familiar with that one :P |
| 02:33.16 | f55384 | alexiel: sure. linux on wii is news to me though |
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| 02:34.04 | alexiel | yeah I just got it to work but I'm a bit of a noob, so I'm more comfortable with a user interface |
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| 02:34.43 | New1000 | sup |
| 02:34.56 | alexiel | hey new1000 |
| 02:35.18 | New1000 | how are u alex |
| 02:35.34 | alexiel | i'm fine to fair with a few scattered showers |
| 02:35.41 | New1000 | cool |
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| 02:35.57 | frazr | nights almost over :( so cold n nice |
| 02:36.27 | New1000 | cool |
| 02:36.39 | frazr | indeed |
| 02:37.02 | frazr | impossible to code in the days, pouring sweat :P |
| 02:37.21 | New1000 | wat u making |
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| 02:37.36 | frazr | nah not much |
| 02:37.44 | New1000 | cool |
| 02:37.45 | frazr | just some bash scripts tonight |
| 02:37.50 | New1000 | cool |
| 02:37.51 | New1000 | what do they do |
| 02:38.09 | frazr | made some interactive installers with whiptail |
| 02:38.20 | New1000 | cool |
| 02:38.30 | frazr | to make the work more timeefficient :P |
| 02:39.45 | f55384 | alexiel: debending on you noob level this may help even though its for arch. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg. but basically its apt-get install xorg drivers WM/DE |
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| 02:42.31 | alexiel | thank yew so much! |
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| 02:48.23 | f55384 | alexiel: glad i could help. good luck! |
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| 02:55.26 | alexiel | so basically you need to install lspi, then pacman, then install the driver and xorg and that's it, thank you huge hugs!!! |
| 02:55.48 | frazr | pacman -Syu |
| 02:55.57 | frazr | all that i remember from arch :P |
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| 02:56.12 | frazr | need to keep them updates up2date |
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| 02:57.35 | jmcnaught | There's probably a better channel for the non-Debian topics :) |
| 02:57.42 | frazr | :P |
| 02:57.50 | f55384 | alexiel: pacman is for arch, use whatever package manager your system has |
| 02:58.30 | alexiel | ooh okies thanks so much guys ^_^ |
| 03:00.39 | frazr | alexiel: http://www.gc-linux.org/wiki/WL:whiite-linux#Manual_Installation |
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| 03:06.18 | AndIrc | hi |
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| 03:17.00 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I make an upstart? the one I have won't work |
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| 03:27.26 | jmcnaught | Jeeves_Moss: what do you mean? |
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| 03:32.01 | frazr | think hes asking for upstart script, update-rc.d script defaults |
| 03:32.10 | frazr | place script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 03:32.19 | frazr | chmod +x etc |
| 03:32.50 | Jeeves_Moss | one sec. I'll pastebin the current config |
| 03:34.16 | Jeeves_Moss | http://pastebin.com/E08KrRxf |
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| 03:34.23 | Jeeves_Moss | jmcnaught, http://pastebin.com/E08KrRxf |
| 03:34.29 | Jeeves_Moss | frazr, http://pastebin.com/E08KrRxf |
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| 03:38.35 | jmcnaught | Jeeves_Moss: no need to repeat the link 3 times. I'm not that familiar with Upstart, but I think it's supposed to work with traditional sysv init scripts. You could try looking at /etc/init.d/skeleton for an example. What happens when you call the script directly, how does it fail? |
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| 03:39.25 | frazr | what he said, and remove the cd |
| 03:40.02 | Jeeves_Moss | jmcnaught, it works. |
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| 03:40.50 | jmcnaught | Jeeves_Moss: it'll be easier to help you if you use full sentences. what works? |
| 03:41.31 | Jeeves_Moss | jmcnaught, if I run the script from the CLI, it works. I need it as an upstart so it comes up with the server. And I need to make one for Nagios, and Splunk as well |
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| 03:43.13 | frazr | http://pastebin.com/2wziv0kR |
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| 03:44.35 | jmcnaught | Jeeves_Moss: I guess you could try frazr's script without the "cd" commands. Was sysvinit not suitable for some reason? |
| 03:45.16 | Jeeves_Moss | jmcnaught, one sec. |
| 03:46.10 | frazr | could fuck things up , have to specify working dir |
| 03:46.16 | frazr | dont think just "cd" cuts it |
| 03:46.43 | frazr | but dunno |
| 03:47.26 | Jeeves_Moss | frazr, thanks. one sec. my connection is basically a serial connection over here |
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| 03:48.34 | Jeeves_Moss | frazr, /etc/init.d/netflow: 18: /etc/init.d/netflow: Syntax error: ")" unexpected (expecting ";;") that's the error |
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| 03:51.36 | jmcnaught | Jeeves_Moss: https://wiki.debian.org/Upstart might be a good place to start. You are running Debian right? |
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| 03:52.34 | frazr | yea |
| 03:52.38 | frazr | u forgot the ;; |
| 03:52.44 | frazr | after the restart) |
| 03:52.47 | Jeeves_Moss | frazr, thanks |
| 03:53.08 | frazr | http://pastebin.com/YbLpnRS8 |
| 03:53.08 | frazr | should work |
| 03:53.32 | Jeeves_Moss | frazr, /etc/init.d/netflow: 18: /etc/init.d/netflow: Syntax error: ")" unexpected (expecting ";;") that's the error |
| 03:53.38 | Jeeves_Moss | oops, wrong window. |
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| 03:54.47 | frazr | maybe remove the |status |
| 03:54.50 | frazr | from usage too :P |
| 03:54.53 | frazr | since its not implemented |
| 03:54.54 | Jeeves_Moss | /etc/init.d# /etc/ManageEngine/NetFlow/bin/run.sh: 169: .: Can't open ./setcommonenv.sh grrrr. |
| 03:55.23 | frazr | yea |
| 03:55.26 | frazr | need to set working dir |
| 03:55.50 | Jeeves_Moss | and how do I do that? (sorry, not 100% with scripts yet) |
| 03:55.55 | frazr | could switch back to the cd |
| 03:55.55 | frazr | commands |
| 03:55.59 | frazr | and it should work |
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| 03:56.22 | frazr | or set in path |
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| 03:56.56 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I set a path directory? |
| 03:57.23 | frazr | PATH=/ |
| 03:57.38 | frazr | PATH=/etc/ManageEngine/NetFlow/bin/ |
| 03:57.44 | frazr | something like that |
| 03:57.49 | Jeeves_Moss | frazr, you'ze the man |
| 03:58.07 | frazr | at top of script |
| 03:58.17 | frazr | after #!/bin/bash |
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| 03:59.47 | Jeeves_Moss | nope |
| 04:00.11 | frazr | set it like this then PATH=$PATH:/etc/ManageEngine/NetFlow/bin/ |
| 04:00.20 | frazr | export PATH=$PATH:/etc/ManageEngine/NetFlow/bin/ |
| 04:00.26 | frazr | add that line |
| 04:00.26 | frazr | :P |
| 04:00.54 | Jeeves_Moss | export PATH=$PATH:/etc/ManageEngine/NetFlow/bin/ ? |
| 04:01.05 | frazr | ye |
| 04:01.29 | frazr | adds the manageengine path to global |
| 04:01.46 | Jeeves_Moss | ohhh, one sec. |
| 04:01.57 | Jeeves_Moss | /etc/ManageEngine/NetFlow/bin/run.sh: 169: .: Can't open ./setcommonenv.sh |
| 04:02.05 | frazr | :P |
| 04:02.24 | frazr | just use the cd version then |
| 04:02.59 | frazr | http://pastebin.com/QhjkkDn2 |
| 04:03.27 | Jeeves_Moss | one sec |
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| 04:04.11 | Jeeves_Moss | /etc/init.d/netflow: 10: /etc/init.d/netflow: Syntax error: ";;" unexpected |
| 04:05.20 | frazr | lol |
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| 04:05.39 | Jeeves_Moss | ugh, I need more beer |
| 04:05.47 | frazr | yea |
| 04:05.53 | frazr | remove last "&" |
| 04:05.56 | frazr | line 18 |
| 04:06.08 | frazr | and line 7 |
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| 04:07.31 | Jeeves_Moss | I removed all of hte &s |
| 04:07.47 | Jeeves_Moss | but when I run the service, it won't drop to shell |
| 04:08.18 | Jeeves_Moss | boom, remove the && and replace with & |
| 04:08.41 | frazr | yes |
| 04:08.50 | f55384 | & forks to back ground && forks and waits for it to finish |
| 04:09.08 | frazr | doesnt && take second process? |
| 04:09.20 | frazr | echo "poo" && echo "poo2" |
| 04:09.31 | Jeeves_Moss | I ran it, and with a quick netstat, the service's port dosn't show up, so I'm kicking hte server |
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| 04:10.23 | frazr | manage engine seems nice |
| 04:10.26 | frazr | too bad its not free |
| 04:10.28 | f55384 | yes. its the same as ; i believe |
| 04:10.50 | frazr | ah |
| 04:11.40 | Jeeves_Moss | it's good when you have a bunch of data going into it. and most of the time, it just annoys me. it just make throughpout easier to see. |
| 04:12.21 | xylox | the difference between && and ; is with && the second process only executes is the first one is succesful while with ; the second process executes no matter what happen with the first one |
| 04:12.55 | Jeeves_Moss | xylox, yep. works well if you're trying to run a bunch of threads of a script |
| 04:13.02 | jmcnaught | Jeeves_Moss: does the ManageEngine not have some sort of init script that they provide, or a support option? |
| 04:13.04 | _unreal_ | I did a fresh install and after doing updates my video card is not working. its an ATI x1050 |
| 04:13.32 | frazr | ah simple operators then |
| 04:13.48 | _unreal_ | when it gets into gui the screen goes dark then flickers up for a second and I can see the mouse and move it then goes blank then comes back does this like every 15 seconds |
| 04:14.11 | _unreal_ | for 2 seconds or so |
| 04:14.29 | Jeeves_Moss | jmcnaught, I'll look in the morning. |
| 04:14.32 | New1000 | si[ |
| 04:14.35 | New1000 | sup |
| 04:14.37 | New1000 | * |
| 04:14.38 | Jeeves_Moss | thanks again guys. pussy, then bed for me. |
| 04:15.09 | _unreal_ | how would Igo about checking the current video driver installed and then removing it. I did download the latest driver from the ati site. |
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| 04:15.29 | frazr | https://forums.manageengine.com/forumHome.do?forumGroupId=49000000002007&forumTopicId=49000002634503 |
| 04:15.32 | frazr | there it was :P |
| 04:15.50 | frazr | simple startup with chkconfig --add |
| 04:16.46 | jmcnaught | !enter |
| 04:16.47 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 04:17.41 | frazr | :) i disagree, but i get your point |
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| 04:19.33 | jmcnaught | _unreal_: Which release of Debian is this? Is it the login greeter that is doing this flickering, and which one is it? Could you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on http://paste.debian.net/ ? |
| 04:20.34 | _unreal_ | its 7 and I think I'll try tomorrow, just noticed its 12:30am |
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| 04:22.30 | jmcnaught | I'm also not convinced Jeeves_Moss was actually using Debian since he never answered |
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| 04:24.43 | frazr | jmcnaught :P |
| 04:25.34 | alexiel | never mind the rudeness you guys are doing a great job helping folks :) |
| 04:27.29 | New1000 | sup |
| 04:27.29 | New1000 | anyone awake |
| 04:27.51 | frazr | always |
| 04:27.52 | jmcnaught | New1000: hi, do you need help with Debian? |
| 04:28.08 | New1000 | nope |
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| 04:40.03 | avshalom | anyone have practical tips for installing debian hurd into virtualbox, from installer, rather than img? my installer always hangs somewhere .... |
| 04:40.25 | jmcnaught | avshalom: no that sounds like fun though. i haven't tried it in a long time. Does the installer have any errors on tty4? |
| 04:40.41 | avshalom | jmcnaught: dont know how to see that. some ctrl-Fn key? |
| 04:42.03 | jmcnaught | avshalom: Alt-F4, but you might need to use a VBox menu to send that key-combo so your window manager doesn't interpret it as "close window" |
| 04:42.13 | avshalom | ok, thanks. let me look into it |
| 04:43.31 | jmcnaught | avshalom: which installer image are you using by the way, maybe i'll try it too in KVM. The one from stable or one of the sid snapshots? |
| 04:43.54 | Yoshi1 | jmcnaught: thanks for the help though |
| 04:44.42 | avshalom | i was trying 2013 netinstall, and also there is a current from this month, i think |
| 04:45.12 | jmcnaught | Yoshi1: no problem. don't take my advice to use Wheezy personally by the way, it's just a lot easier to learn on something that isn't a moving target :) |
| 04:45.30 | avshalom | jmcnaught: http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/hurd-i386/installer/cdimage/ |
| 04:46.37 | Yoshi1 | jmcnaught: this is the first problem i had that i couldnt fix myself or fix with minimal help |
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| 04:46.57 | Yoshi1 | and i KNEW when i had my friend help me that if anything went wrong with nvidia it would screw me |
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| 04:47.46 | jmcnaught | Yoshi1: you might also consider reading the Debian Reference and/or Debian Administrator's Handbook which are both available online or as packages you can install locally |
| 04:47.59 | Yoshi1 | jmcnaught: need to find a console browser |
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| 04:48.22 | Yoshi1 | i am sure i have one but i forgot what it was called |
| 04:48.33 | croddy | lynx, links, elinks, any of those should do |
| 04:48.56 | jmcnaught | Yoshi1: "w3m" is part of the standard install, or the ones croddy just suggested |
| 04:49.27 | Yoshi1 | lynx rthats the one i got |
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| 04:51.48 | jmcnaught | avshalom: http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/hurd-i386/installer/cdimage/README.txt suggests not to use a network mirror during the install.. what part of the install is failing for you? |
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| 04:54.10 | avshalom | jmcnaught: well, right, i tried to do a cd-only install. always seemed toward the end. i wonder if it was something to do with the bootloader... |
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| 04:55.03 | avshalom | jmcnaught: i tried several ways to do it. (i should also try the .img file, in jessie on gnu/linux) |
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| 04:56.58 | jmcnaught | avshalom: the .img file is probably easier like it says in the README. It might also be tested more extensively on KVM than Virtualbox |
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| 04:58.44 | Yoshi1 | jmcnaught: do you know if theres a list of the packages updated in testing by day? |
| 04:59.08 | Yoshi1 | so i can look uop what all got updated today |
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| 05:03.12 | jmcnaught | Yoshi1: as an alternative to what it lists when you do "apt-get upgrade" ? |
| 05:04.04 | Yoshi1 | jmcnaught: yeah so you can look back at it and see what got updated incase you cant remember the 70+ things that did get upgraded |
| 05:05.52 | jmcnaught | Yoshi1: /var/log/apt/history.log if you use apt-get. aptitude has it's own log. there's also a dpkg log in /var/log with a lot more details in it |
| 05:05.53 | frazr | u could check in /var/cache/apt/archives :P |
| 05:05.58 | frazr | and sort by date |
| 05:06.18 | frazr | but Yoshi1's answer is better :) |
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| 05:06.44 | frazr | jmcnaught, my bad.. tired time2sleep :) gn |
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| 05:11.03 | alphis | hey guys i just apt-get install'd wine and it refuses to run. exitcode is 1 always |
| 05:11.06 | alphis | no errors no output nothing |
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| 05:16.47 | phy1729 | host and dig don't reflect information in /etc/hosts what command will? |
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| 05:19.09 | salil_ | Is there an advanced configuration GUI program for a syaptics touchpad? |
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| 05:22.10 | themill | phy1729: "getent hosts" uses the libc resolver |
| 05:23.08 | phy1729 | thanks |
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| 05:25.07 | salil_ | To answer my own question, gpointing-device-settings is one. |
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| 05:31.47 | Yoshi1 | jmcnaught: we my friend and i found the problem it is https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=743649 |
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| 05:45.28 | New1000 | sup |
| 05:45.30 | New1000 | aone awkae |
| 05:45.32 | New1000 | awake |
| 05:46.00 | jmcnaught | Yoshi1: interesting. are you using systemd then? |
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| 05:55.35 | rocko2_ | how long will stable debian be supported? |
| 05:55.40 | rocko2_ | how long are release cycles? |
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| 05:56.12 | Yoshi1 | jmcnaught: yes i think i am |
| 05:56.22 | Yoshi1 | why did i ever stop using xfce |
| 05:56.31 | Yoshi1 | man my stuff is just faster |
| 05:57.05 | gnudna | rocko2_ approx 2.5 years from what i have gathered unless the new lts beta works out |
| 05:57.22 | jmcnaught | rocko2_: a Debian release is supported for about a year after the next release. So Wheezy will be supported for about a year after Jessie is released. There's no fixed date for when Jessie will be released though, just when it's ready. |
| 05:57.40 | rocko2_ | Yoshi1 lxde is pretty bad ass |
| 05:58.14 | rocko2_ | is it safe to upgrade from wheezy to jessie? |
| 05:58.27 | rocko2_ | no fresh installs |
| 05:58.34 | Yoshi1 | rock2_ bad ass in what way? |
| 05:58.48 | rocko2_ | it is simple and fast |
| 05:58.57 | gnudna | openbox is nice also |
| 05:59.11 | gnudna | but requires some heavy customizing |
| 05:59.18 | formorer | rocko2_: no. |
| 05:59.46 | rocko2_ | lxde has a familiar windows feel too |
| 05:59.53 | sandman13 | rocko2_: unless you are an expert in package management no |
| 06:00.06 | rocko2_ | :) |
| 06:00.06 | rocko2_ | no what? formorer |
| 06:00.34 | rocko2_ | what are you talking about? |
| 06:00.41 | gnudna | wheezy to jessie upgrade i am assuming |
| 06:00.48 | formorer | it is not safe to update jessie, nor is it recommended |
| 06:00.52 | rocko2_ | oh |
| 06:00.58 | jmcnaught | rocko2_: it will be safe to upgrade when Jessie is released. At this point though Jessie is still under development, doesn't get security updates as fast as Stable and breaks sometimes |
| 06:01.34 | rocko2_ | yes I meant when jessie is released |
| 06:01.53 | formorer | after it got released it is of course safe. |
| 06:02.02 | rocko2_ | I am in no hurry I am just figuring out which distro I should install on my mom's computer |
| 06:02.04 | formorer | debian has a long history of being upgradable |
| 06:02.19 | rocko2_ | nice |
| 06:02.27 | formorer | my oldest system got updates for more than 10 years |
| 06:02.38 | rocko2_ | cool |
| 06:02.45 | rocko2_ | did you find any issues? |
| 06:03.17 | formorer | there are always some small things, but we write release notes to help people with upgrades. |
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| 06:03.36 | formorer | if you read them in advance, there shouldn't be critical problems |
| 06:03.37 | gnudna | i upgraded squeeze to wheezy with minor issues |
| 06:04.09 | gnudna | mostly a service i was running changed its config but nothing major |
| 06:04.36 | rocko2_ | cool |
| 06:04.43 | sandman13 | formorer: once Jessie gets frozen, only bug fixes are pulled from Unstable right? |
| 06:05.07 | rocko2_ | always running the problem program in terminal or looking at the logs and usually solve the problem |
| 06:05.15 | rocko2_ | program* |
| 06:05.25 | gnudna | sandman13 once frozen no new packages get introduced so in theory yeah just bug fixes |
| 06:05.34 | formorer | sandman13: that depends. usually freezes are done in several steps. but the concept is to only allow fixes and no new versions or features from a specific point on. |
| 06:06.09 | rocko2_ | does debian have the same mutlimedia codecs as ubuntu? |
| 06:06.35 | rocko2_ | like the gstreamer bad and ugly? |
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| 06:06.38 | gnudna | rocko2_ my debian install works flawlessly if that helps |
| 06:06.52 | sandman13 | formorer: so technically it will safer to upgrade to Jessie from Wheezy at that period, right? |
| 06:07.07 | gnudna | rocko2_ to answer that specific question yes it does |
| 06:08.08 | gnudna | lets not forget backports which is an awesome concept |
| 06:08.23 | rocko2_ | yea I decided on lxde because it is windows like and fast on slow or old hardware and debian is faster and more stable than ubuntu so decided to go debian for my mom's pc |
| 06:08.37 | formorer | sandman13: sure. in theory jessie should get more stable next to the release. |
| 06:08.56 | rocko2_ | I will have to install internet explorer in wine cause the sites she uses require ie |
| 06:09.06 | sandman13 | IE o.O |
| 06:09.07 | formorer | rocko2_: for what? |
| 06:09.14 | sandman13 | why not firefox? |
| 06:09.29 | rocko2_ | boy scouts council website doesn't support firefox |
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| 06:09.45 | sandman13 | google chrome? |
| 06:09.49 | gnudna | rocko2_ you can fool it using a plugin |
| 06:09.59 | rocko2_ | spoofing it |
| 06:10.04 | rocko2_ | maybe |
| 06:10.05 | formorer | rocko2_: in my experience there aren't many ie only websites left. do you have the url? |
| 06:10.13 | gnudna | plus i have not hit a site that was not supported by firefox or chrome |
| 06:10.25 | gnudna | same here i want to visit it |
| 06:10.49 | rocko2_ | it is doing the tests on the council website |
| 06:11.07 | rocko2_ | I can't now it is too late to ask my mom |
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| 06:12.03 | rocko2_ | I don't think it is the actual visiting of the site it is the tests they have that require ie |
| 06:13.00 | rocko2_ | well once I get that sorted out then time to install debian! :) |
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| 06:13.25 | rocko2_ | lxde is very fast on the 32 bit machine has a really shitty cpu |
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| 06:13.45 | rocko2_ | well from tech websites they say it is a bad cpu |
| 06:13.46 | gnudna | rocko2_ what is a shitty cpu? |
| 06:14.09 | gnudna | tech websites were probably praising it when it came out |
| 06:14.09 | babilen | rocko2_: It wouldn't hurt to give it a try. One word of advice: My mother has been happily using Debian for two years now and she was up for trying the different DEs for a day each before settling. (she wanted to see which was best for her) -- She strongly preferred XFCE and considered LXDE to be unintuitive due to it being a bit too minimal (why is it not doing this? it should know that) |
| 06:14.17 | rocko2_ | um cnet says that my mom's pc has a cpu that doesn't preform very well |
| 06:14.37 | rocko2_ | saying that they found it annoying at times using it |
| 06:15.01 | gnudna | im sure for web surfing and email it is more than up to the challenge |
| 06:15.32 | gnudna | hell i gave my brother a 7 year old ibm thinkpad with debian squeeze on it and he was happy |
| 06:15.59 | gnudna | were talking single core centrino mobile aka pentium 4 days |
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| 06:16.02 | rocko2_ | yea |
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| 06:17.20 | rocko2_ | well it is a dual core cpu with 2gb of ram and my single core laptop with 2gb of ram preforms better with ubuntu |
| 06:17.29 | gnudna | you can always cheat and install docky and then it looks like a mac |
| 06:17.49 | gnudna | i think for linux it will be more than ok |
| 06:17.54 | babilen | rocko2_: That's more than capable of running XFCE in a sufficiently fast manner |
| 06:18.06 | gnudna | but agreed not all dual cores are created equal |
| 06:18.22 | gnudna | i also vote for xfce in your case |
| 06:18.29 | babilen | Anyway, give it a try and see what *she* thinks. I can only suggest to show her the options and let her decide. She'll be using it after all. |
| 06:18.51 | rocko2_ | my ghz is higher in the single core laptop than the dual core one if that makes any difference both are 32 bit |
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| 06:19.15 | gnudna | openbox and docky make for nice eye candy |
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| 06:19.27 | gnudna | not sure its avail on wheezy though |
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| 06:20.28 | rocko2_ | I am using trisquel using gnome with the panel on top and awn dock on the bottom makes it more mac like :) |
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| 06:21.09 | gnudna | at the moment im using ubuntu lts |
| 06:21.28 | gnudna | till i get the eenergy to re-install to replace my failed ssd |
| 06:21.43 | gnudna | ubuntu will do openbox will have to wait |
| 06:21.57 | babilen | This fastly turns into a discussion that would be much more appropriate for #debian-offtopic (there's coffee!) :) |
| 06:22.14 | gnudna | true |
| 06:22.34 | gnudna | and i can use some coffee almost 3am here |
| 06:23.09 | gnudna | ok guys im out as always good conversation |
| 06:23.13 | gnudna | later |
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| 06:32.48 | jmcnaught | This is purely out of curiosity, but how does apt-get pick which "provides" package for a virtual package. "ladspa-plugin" has a bunch of packages that provide it, but installing a package that recommends or suggests "ladspa-plugins" picks "bs2b-ladspa". Is there some document about the solver algorithms that I just can't find? |
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| 06:34.55 | heurist | jmcnaught: I think the answer is "badly". I tend to use aptitude and manually select that sort of thing. apt-cache policy ... may provide some input though. |
| 06:35.17 | heurist | jmcnaught: and by input I mean insight. |
| 06:35.38 | heurist | jmcnaught: and by insight I mean not really. |
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| 06:36.38 | themill | jmcnaught: it used to be simply based on alphabetic order |
| 06:36.56 | jmcnaught | heurist: thanks. apt-cache policy doesn't really tell you anything about virtual packages. I'm not really interested in ladspa I was just using it as an example, comparing apt-get and aptitude (with --simulate) to see what the result would be. |
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| 06:37.33 | nf7 | How exactly do I switch from stable to testing? |
| 06:37.44 | nf7 | Do I need a new sources.list file or something? |
| 06:37.59 | themill | nf7: are you sure you know enough about debian to do that? |
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| 06:38.50 | nf7 | themill: How much do I need to know? I would just like to get some more recent software packages. |
| 06:38.51 | jmcnaught | themill: yeah that was my first guess but bs2b-ladspa is 6th in alphabetical order. It's not that big a deal, I would just pick packages manually if I needed to. I was more curious about how apt-get and aptitude pick and if there's a document about the algorithms they use that I just can't find |
| 06:38.56 | heurist | jmcnaught: looking at apt-cache show <package> does not tell me much either. |
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| 06:40.55 | heurist | jmcnaught: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.package-meta-information.html talks about the mechanisms withough giving much detail. |
| 06:41.45 | heurist | jmcnaught: there must be a databse somewhere of prefered version, same with alternatives, what defines that order? |
| 06:42.02 | themill | it's an implementation detail within apt |
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| 06:42.38 | jmcnaught | heurist: yeah i read that, about virtual packages in the debian policy, and in the reference, and all the files in /usr/share/doc/{apt-doc, apt} and the man pages for apt-get and aptitude and the aptitude reference. (well, not all tonight) |
| 06:43.19 | heurist | jmcnaught: use the source. |
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| 06:43.42 | jmcnaught | heurist: i guess that's my next stop :) |
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| 06:45.06 | heurist | jmcnaught: don't forget about dpkg and its ilk, they are involved in much higher layers that you would expect. |
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| 06:46.01 | atannus | is adjusting. |
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| 06:48.46 | rocko2_ | libavcodec-extra-54 does this provide playback for all the proprietary formats? |
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| 06:51.48 | babilen | rocko2_: No, there will *always* be at least one unsupported format. |
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| 07:04.19 | kingkong|here | when i choose ALL locales, it doesn't contain en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 already? and my default is not being it already? |
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| 07:16.24 | shay_shay | http://imgur.com/iZxKZr3 hello i am wondering why transmission has white text here, could it be i am missing something |
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| 07:28.15 | nf7 | So I switched all my sources from stable to jessie, and everything went fine for the initial update and upgrade. But now when I restart and update and upgrade again it says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 784 not upgraded. |
| 07:29.12 | MY123 | nf7: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:29.57 | nf7 | MY123: Hmmm, that gives me a few errors: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9jeWnFEi |
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| 07:32.22 | heurist | nf7: I am not being rude, it may sound like it but I am not. If you do not understand those messages you probably should not be running jessie. |
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| 07:32.48 | MY123 | nf7: Try aptitude |
| 07:32.51 | MY123 | nf7: Use aptitude. |
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| 07:33.46 | heurist | MY123: gain aptitude? |
| 07:34.02 | nf7 | heurist: It's ok, I don't find that rude. How else am I supposed to learn though? |
| 07:34.27 | heurist | nf7: jessie is not a great way to learn. |
| 07:34.40 | MY123 | heurist: At least, aptitude is more intelligent for broken packages. |
| 07:34.41 | jmcnaught | nf7: it's best to learn on Debian Stable which isn't a moving target. Reading the documentation is a good way to learn. |
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| 07:36.17 | rocko2_ | why does debian livecd preform better than ubuntu livecd on a notebook? |
| 07:36.30 | heurist | nf7: if you want to learn, look at lfs, gentoo, and arch. but keep debian stable for when you need to get work done. |
| 07:36.52 | heurist | rocko2_: because it is not ubuntu? |
| 07:36.59 | rocko2_ | seems like hardware issues maybe |
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| 07:37.37 | rocko2_ | ubuntu acts all messed up on my mom's notebook |
| 07:37.38 | nf7 | heurist: Will do |
| 07:37.38 | babilen | nf7: You have to run dist-upgrade because during the upgrade the removal of packages will be necessary and "apt-get upgrade" (or "aptitude safe-upgrade") does not do that. |
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| 07:37.50 | rocko2_ | but debian is smooth and fast |
| 07:37.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell nf7 -about sid faq |
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| 07:38.16 | nf7 | babilen: Ok I see. So what do I do with the errors that I am encountering with dist-upgrade? |
| 07:38.43 | babilen | nf7: Also read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html + http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/packaging-system.html + http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html |
| 07:39.26 | nf7 | babilen: Thanks |
| 07:39.26 | kingkong|here | my debian has wheezy. if i add source squeeze on list, it will work or not? |
| 07:39.30 | babilen | nf7: Which errors? But lets take this to #debian-next as this channel is meant for stable support (testing/unstable has so many issues that we like to pool knowledge about them) |
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| 07:39.43 | nf7 | babilen: Ok I'll go there |
| 07:40.12 | nf7 | babilen: I need to be invited apparently |
| 07:40.14 | babilen | nf7: I am also of the opinion that you might have a much easier time running wheezy or another distribution, but you can, naturally, track testing. You will just have to be willing to learn. |
| 07:40.35 | babilen | nf7: Oh, the channel is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) with all the other official channels. Sorry, should have mentioned that. |
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| 07:52.28 | shay_shay | https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6gkqQRx3edyMnp0U3ZSV0Jnbjg&usp=sharing i am making a tutorial on installing wheezy with mate from backports. where is the best place to post this? debian forums? |
| 07:53.08 | abator | may i ask to have sources.list from you? anyone!! |
| 07:54.06 | shingouz | !tell abator about sources.list |
| 07:54.12 | heurist | abator: you may, but mine are funky. what do you actually want? |
| 07:54.14 | shay_shay | http://hastebin.com/raw/oqayosaxag :D |
| 07:54.16 | shingouz | that should get you going... |
| 07:54.40 | abator | mine is not good for firmware |
| 07:54.55 | abator | trying get my wifi work |
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| 07:56.08 | shay_shay | abator: you just need non-free... but the one i posted is pretty well configured |
| 07:56.28 | abator | i can use your list? |
| 07:56.35 | abator | can i ** |
| 07:56.59 | kingkong|here | my debian has wheezy. if i add source related squeeze on list, it will work or not? |
| 07:57.12 | abator | ok, i guess your is fine. i try it , also post mine, please check it for me |
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| 07:59.53 | babilen | shay_shay: Please don't advocate using third-party repositories in semi-official contexts please. |
| 08:01.20 | jmcnaught | abator: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList has a pretty reasonable example that uses the http.debian.net redirector to select the best mirror automatically. Look for the example on that page, and if you need non-free firmware you might add "contrib non-free" to the end of each line. |
| 08:01.30 | abator | shay_shay, this is my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/111912/ |
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| 08:01.57 | abator | jmcnaught, oh thanks |
| 08:02.43 | abator | jmcnaught, i remember i used the same but when updated i got duplicate error |
| 08:02.58 | shay_shay | babilen: sure. thats just a rough draft i made for a friend, i will take that off when i write the guide for the public |
| 08:03.33 | babilen | Sure, just wanting to make sure that you think of it. |
| 08:03.57 | abator | can you guys check this, my sources.list, i dont know why its no good for firmware package i am trying to install |
| 08:04.00 | abator | http://paste.debian.net/111912/ |
| 08:06.09 | abator | please see this error, how i can fix it http://paste.debian.net/111913/; i thought my sources.list is missing something |
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| 08:10.50 | abator | im gonna delete those commented lines |
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| 08:11.42 | jmcnaught | abator: you want it to look like this, but with "contrib non-free" after main on *every* line: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list_for_Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
| 08:12.11 | shay_shay | XD |
| 08:12.58 | abator | trying to understand what jmcnaught is telling me to do |
| 08:13.44 | abator | if you write those lines for me then i will save it for next use |
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| 08:14.20 | jmcnaught | abator: each line in that example ends with the word "main". You want each line to end with "main contrib non-free", so add "contrib non-free" after the word "main" on each line |
| 08:14.31 | abator | so for those 3 sections in example list i need to add non free |
| 08:14.34 | abator | ? |
| 08:14.45 | abator | oh ok, now got it |
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| 08:15.59 | heurist | abator: pastebin again just to make sure ? |
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| 08:16.20 | abator | yes, i will , thanks , |
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| 08:19.09 | kingkong|here | i'm running dpkg-reconfigure locales but my selection not effects anything. to choose all or just utf8 makes any differs? |
| 08:19.11 | abator | i have not saved my sources.list yet , please see if i made correct changes |
| 08:19.13 | abator | http://paste.debian.net/111914/ |
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| 08:20.59 | tilt | abator: i think you should add "contrib non-free" after *every* line |
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| 08:21.16 | heurist | abator: like this: http://paste.debian.net/111915/ |
| 08:21.23 | abator | tilt, ok, thanks, let me do it |
| 08:21.30 | tilt | abator: the way you have it now, you will only be able to retrieve *sources* for contrib and non-free packages, not the binaries :) |
| 08:21.35 | abator | okay, let me check the link |
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| 08:21.59 | abator | right, now understand |
| 08:22.08 | tilt | k :) |
| 08:22.51 | jmcnaught | abator: yes, by every line i meant every line. once you have the file done correctly you also need to do "apt-get update" |
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| 08:23.34 | abator | right, i am changing the file now |
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| 08:25.58 | abator | final shape of the list http://paste.debian.net/111916/ now if nothing is wrong with the file i can go for update |
| 08:26.10 | abator | http://paste.debian.net/111916/ |
| 08:27.14 | abator | can i go for update? |
| 08:27.22 | shay_shay | yes |
| 08:27.26 | abator | ok |
| 08:27.26 | shay_shay | perfect |
| 08:28.06 | abator | :) ty , i have one more question but let me run update command |
| 08:28.11 | shay_shay | i like to line up the columns personally |
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| 08:28.36 | abator | yes, easy to read = easy to understand |
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| 08:28.42 | abator | :) |
| 08:28.55 | shay_shay | example: http://hastebin.com/raw/oqayosaxag |
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| 08:29.51 | abator | yes, looks nice |
| 08:32.34 | abator | before the sample i was afraid to put spaces to align lines , please see now http://paste.debian.net/111917/ |
| 08:35.44 | abator | yes, the firmware is now installing |
| 08:35.54 | abator | :) ty all |
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| 08:36.35 | abator | and my wifi is working now |
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| 08:37.04 | shay_shay | white space is treated the same wether its single or multiple space |
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| 08:37.35 | shay_shay | ..at least here it is |
| 08:38.11 | abator | now i should try for the grub-install, and still nor working , says command not found |
| 08:38.44 | abator | ty shay_shay , please also help me to fix the grub issue |
| 08:39.07 | shay_shay | are you not able to boot? |
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| 08:39.25 | abator | i am, with super grub usb |
| 08:39.41 | heurist | abator: is grub installed? |
| 08:39.46 | abator | the help says , i need to run grub-install |
| 08:40.19 | abator | i see just the grub prompt when boot without super grub usb |
| 08:40.26 | shay_shay | well that depends if youre installing uefi or not. and if you are installing uefi you should be booting the supergrub2disk uefi as well |
| 08:40.37 | shay_shay | oh so its already installed |
| 08:41.16 | abator | yes, i think it it, but i think something is missing |
| 08:41.35 | shay_shay | maybe the config is the only part missing |
| 08:41.47 | abator | right, may be |
| 08:41.57 | shay_shay | grub2-mkconfig |
| 08:42.03 | shay_shay | does that output anything? |
| 08:42.09 | heurist | abator: what does aptitude search '~i grub' say? |
| 08:42.09 | abator | oh ok, just a second |
| 08:42.20 | shay_shay | ok what heurist said |
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| 08:42.33 | abator | ok |
| 08:43.03 | abator | it show nothing but a > |
| 08:43.28 | abator | it show nothing but a '>' |
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| 08:43.36 | heurist | abator: you have all the '' ? |
| 08:43.49 | abator | no, just the > |
| 08:44.03 | abator | sorry |
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| 08:44.07 | jmcnaught | abator: you forgot a ' at the end, but you can still add it at the > prompt |
| 08:44.13 | heurist | abator: sounds like you left the closing ' off the end of the command |
| 08:44.37 | abator | oh ok, sorry, got now |
| 08:44.57 | heurist | abator: is this a normal machine? any efi? basic bios? |
| 08:45.15 | abator | ran this search '~i grub' and result is command not found |
| 08:45.41 | heurist | abator: aptitude search ... |
| 08:45.54 | abator | yes, a normal machine, i had debian on it, but something went wrong in it |
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| 08:46.29 | abator | no efi, and i dont know about basic bios |
| 08:46.40 | heurist | abator: you probably just need aptitude install grub-pc |
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| 08:46.52 | abator | ok, i do it now |
| 08:47.17 | shay_shay | [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS |
| 08:47.22 | shay_shay | that might help^ |
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| 08:48.04 | abator | i started install already, i have to wait to run next command, please wait |
| 08:48.30 | heurist | abator: that will just tell you if you have efi, you said no already though. |
| 08:49.08 | heurist | abator: is it installing grub-pc? if so then it was not installed and that is why it was not working. |
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| 08:49.31 | heurist | abator: do you know about screen and tmux? you might like them things like this. |
| 08:49.57 | heurist | abator: though they are unrelated to your immediate problem, just nice to have. |
| 08:50.08 | Jynx | can anyone help me find the repos for compiz on debian testing? |
| 08:50.09 | abator | sorry, and no, i have no idea about tmux |
| 08:50.38 | jmcnaught | Jynx: Debian Testing is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:50.44 | abator | i will have it installed for sure, i do not ignore such things |
| 08:50.49 | shay_shay | heurist: i just open seperate ssh sessions. i dont mind the extra network overhead :P |
| 08:50.50 | heurist | abator: google it, see if you like, screen is similar but older, and much harder to google. |
| 08:51.11 | abator | yes its very common word |
| 08:51.24 | heurist | shay_shay: agreed, until the network goes down, or you have a box that only allows one connection, or ... |
| 08:52.14 | shay_shay | heurist: i use tmux, i meant for the windowing i just have seperate ssh sessions |
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| 08:52.33 | shay_shay | and mosh ftw |
| 08:52.35 | abator | now i am at the grub configuration screen |
| 08:52.55 | abator | sda5 is actual debain on HD |
| 08:53.23 | abator | the other option is my complete HD, which one i should select? |
| 08:53.45 | heurist | abator: sda (master boot record) is probably where you want it, unless you really know what you are doing. |
| 08:54.07 | abator | complete HD = sda |
| 08:54.32 | heurist | abator: well, it is not "complete" just the tiny bit at the begining. |
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| 08:54.58 | abator | when i boot from super grub i see sda5 has the debian |
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| 08:56.06 | abator | xan i change it later if select wrong sda? |
| 08:56.11 | abator | can** |
| 08:56.31 | shay_shay | of course |
| 08:56.43 | abator | ok then i go for sda |
| 08:56.54 | heurist | abator: grub will see the same thing, if you want grub to load on boot you need to have the bios load grub, it does that from sda, unless you have another boot loader in sda, then you are on your own. |
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| 08:58.02 | abator | no, no. i have no other bootloader, i can hardly have one working on my system |
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| 08:58.30 | heurist | abator: then sda it is. |
| 08:58.55 | shay_shay | for example windows bootloader could be in MBR and you will be overwriting it.. no worries though, grub will boot windows |
| 08:59.20 | heurist | shay_shay: grub MAY boot windows, it misses it sometimes. |
| 08:59.25 | shay_shay | haha |
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| 08:59.43 | shay_shay | in theory it should |
| 09:00.15 | heurist | shay_shay: in theory theory and practice are the same, in practice they are not. |
| 09:00.16 | abator | :) it worked this time. great, let me paste results |
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| 09:00.45 | abator | http://paste.debian.net/111921/ |
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| 09:01.03 | heurist | abator: reboot and see. |
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| 09:01.26 | shay_shay | i guess hes not dual booting heh |
| 09:01.44 | abator | oh ok, i want to save this chat before reboot, gonna write summary |
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| 09:01.58 | heurist | abator: your client does not log this? |
| 09:02.01 | abator | no dual boot, i hve windows on vm. |
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| 09:02.49 | abator | xchat log to disk yes, ty |
| 09:03.30 | abator | but, no, the checkbox was empty |
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| 09:08.05 | abator | rebooting, |
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| 09:17.01 | MY123 | Lope: You may use a low quality reader. |
| 09:17.15 | Lope | http://codepad.org/RMm32Kxu |
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| 09:19.04 | Lope | http://codepad.org/tOPDRhJG |
| 09:19.15 | Lope | MY123: how can I enable DMA? |
| 09:20.37 | MY123 | Lope: Go to the web page of the manufacturer. Does use USB readers myself. |
| 09:21.01 | Lope | Does? |
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| 09:27.19 | Lope | MY123: yeah I just used a USB one now, it detected instantly and is copying very fast. So it's all good :) |
| 09:27.32 | Lope | I don't know if my PC supports PCI hotplug |
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| 09:27.50 | Lope | but I just plugged the USB cardreader in and it worked without any hassles. |
| 09:28.23 | Lope | 11.3MB/s okay, it's not lightspeed. but not too bad. |
| 09:28.40 | abator | heurist, shay_sha,2 main issues has be fixed, wifi and grub. i want to run debian on vm from now on to revert back to old state at anytime. |
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| 09:29.17 | abator | so, do i need virtualbo or something else better that vbox? |
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| 09:30.05 | abator | than** can someone help me with debian setup on vm? |
| 09:30.30 | shay_shay | virt-manager |
| 09:30.41 | abator | ok, i get it |
| 09:31.48 | shay_shay | the vm will be for? practice? |
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| 09:36.06 | abator | oh, the vm will be for actual debain that i am planning to use for android apps, so thinking may be core 2 due , 4GB Ram wont be fast enough to handle android emulator and android studio |
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| 09:36.52 | abator | also thinking to run win on the vm |
| 09:37.31 | abator | the main advantage of having vm will be the immidiate fix of debian at anytime |
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| 09:38.39 | abator | thinking that the base debain will stay untouched and every update and change will be dome to the vm debian |
| 09:38.50 | abator | done** |
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| 09:39.05 | tilt | abator: so you will never update the host? |
| 09:39.18 | tilt | abator: :) |
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| 09:39.41 | abator | yes, never, i think i will not touch the host again, as far as it keep working |
| 09:39.57 | ShalokShalom | sudo update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install ERROR: wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/latest-stable-verified.txt |
| 09:39.58 | tilt | abator: i'd recommend a stable host with normal rehgular security updates |
| 09:40.09 | ShalokShalom | why please ? |
| 09:40.14 | tilt | abator: and no additional packages installed once it works as expected |
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| 09:41.39 | abator | i am thinkinf if things get too slow on vm than all effort will go in vain |
| 09:42.08 | tilt | abator: what "things" |
| 09:42.50 | abator | i was runing android studio and emulator on host and win was on vm. this setup was ok, everything was runing fine. |
| 09:43.03 | tilt | abator: you should establish backup on the host anyway, then you can go back there and have no need for a huge virtualized setup with potential performance issues |
| 09:43.18 | jmcnaught | ShalokShalom: it could have something to do with this: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/07/msg00004.html (in other words that server is moving this weekend and the transition might not be completed yet), also the pepperflashplugin-nonfree might need to be updated to use an HTTPS URL. Maybe try again tomorrow |
| 09:43.29 | abator | oh backup |
| 09:43.43 | tilt | yes, backup |
| 09:43.45 | tilt | :) |
| 09:44.18 | abator | hmm, this is good idea if restore is as easy as abc123 |
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| 09:44.27 | tilt | abator: yes :) |
| 09:44.56 | abator | hmm, nice than, where i start from for backup? |
| 09:45.07 | abator | never used backup before on debian |
| 09:45.09 | abator | :) |
| 09:45.17 | tilt | that must change :) |
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| 09:45.43 | abator | yes, took too much pain to setup debian again |
| 09:45.53 | abator | dont want to do it again |
| 09:46.06 | banjo | yes backup...if hdd is trash you wish you would have just a half backup:) |
| 09:46.10 | abator | please tell me how to take backup |
| 09:46.30 | abator | oh HD , is in alarming condition |
| 09:47.17 | abator | but i have no choice, have to use it for a while. will see how much is it in market later |
| 09:47.31 | tilt | :) |
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| 09:48.16 | abator | hmm |
| 09:48.32 | banjo | stable is good and stable. just be aware of upgrade some apcakges that you dont pull the ac |
| 09:48.35 | banjo | ;) |
| 09:49.16 | tilt | abator: you could give clonezilla a try |
| 09:49.25 | banjo | i bakup manually but there are some beginnerfriendly tools do do it |
| 09:49.50 | abator | my isp is ..... maintain some sort of customer rating and based on that share speed. a lot of disconnections |
| 09:50.14 | abator | oh ok, clonezilla |
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| 09:51.08 | tilt | abator: it will allow you to decide "i like the host hdd as it is now, i want to clone it to some network storage" |
| 09:51.19 | Haritz | How can I register name |
| 09:51.29 | tilt | abator: if your hdd crashes, you replace it and can replay the good hdd image into it |
| 09:51.36 | tilt | Haritz: /msg nickserv help |
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| 09:52.18 | tilt | abator: once every 3 months or so, you can make a new hdd clone - not too much effort and provides some basic safety net |
| 09:52.21 | abator | yes, do need to have the image backup |
| 09:52.41 | ShalokShalom_ | abator: http://system-imaging.blogspot.de/ |
| 09:53.03 | ShalokShalom_ | to save your desktop setup |
| 09:53.05 | osmo_SMS | hi guys... maybe is a stupid question but i don't know how to do... probability is a bad place to ask too... but i try :) how i can save all Probe from airodump-ng in a file? i tried on aircrack-ng channel and no on answare :( pls help help help |
| 09:53.11 | abator | ok |
| 09:53.17 | abator | im reading |
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| 09:54.27 | ShalokShalom_ | i guess it should work on debian as well |
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| 09:54.47 | tilt | abator: clonezilla is pretty oldskool, it's like norton ghost in many ways |
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| 09:55.24 | tilt | abator: i think you can have sth like an emergency cd, in case of crash: replace hdd, boot from cd, hit enter to restore :) |
| 09:55.25 | abator | i see, may be ubuntu packages is no issue |
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| 09:55.29 | haritz | tilt, can I protect my nickname? |
| 09:55.36 | tilt | haritz: yes, you can register it |
| 09:55.43 | tilt | haritz: /msg nickserv help |
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| 09:56.25 | tilt | abator: or emergency usb stick if you have an ultrabook ^^ |
| 09:56.27 | abator | oh that sounds good to me :) tilt |
| 09:56.39 | tilt | hehe i talk wisely |
| 09:56.48 | haritz | I registered it |
| 09:56.51 | tilt | <- has not established backup for the server either yet ^^ |
| 09:56.53 | abator | its old core2 due |
| 09:57.33 | abator | may be mu hd was the reason od previous debian lose |
| 09:57.46 | abator | my * of * |
| 09:57.54 | tilt | abator: happens all the time |
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| 09:58.23 | tilt | Haritz: ok, now /msg nickserv help identify |
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| 09:59.47 | Dudytz | how to list current configured repositories with a apt command? i need a list like: main, contrib, nonfree |
| 09:59.56 | abator | brb |
| 10:00.00 | MY123 | dpkg: What is the state of the various Debian ports ? |
| 10:00.01 | dpkg | MY123: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 10:00.36 | tilt | Dudytz: apt-cache policy |
| 10:01.11 | MY123 | dpkg: Debian ports |
| 10:01.11 | dpkg | Debian is being / has been ported to other kernels (HURD/Beowulf), architectures (besides x86), and more....see http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
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| 10:01.24 | Dudytz | tilt apt-cache policy list the policy for all packages |
| 10:01.46 | tilt | no |
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| 10:02.30 | tilt | sry it's 12:00 here, off to fitrness training |
| 10:02.34 | tilt | o/ bye |
| 10:02.49 | Haritz | tilt, Yes, but I want my NICKNAME only for me with PASSWD, Sorry, I can't find the command |
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| 10:03.29 | jmcnaught | Haritz: you should ask in #freenode |
| 10:03.34 | Haritz | Thanks |
| 10:03.55 | Haritz | And sorry |
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| 10:09.03 | orzo | dpkg-buildpackage will build source and binary packages both by default. I want this behavior except i want it to build only the archetecture-independent binaries along with the source package |
| 10:09.23 | orzo | the man page seems to suggest -A, but then it will not make the source package |
| 10:09.56 | orzo | does anyone know how to coax it into doing what i want? |
| 10:10.38 | banjo | Dudytz: you can install vrms so see quick whick packages are from contrib or non-free |
| 10:10.51 | orzo | its important to me to do both at once so that i get a changes file with all the archetecture independent files, including source package and particular binaries |
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| 10:15.56 | Dudytz | ok i figured it ... for my wheezy installation .. with: |
| 10:15.57 | Dudytz | apt-cache policy | grep -P '^ [0-9]+ http' | sort | uniq | cut -d' ' -f 4 | grep -P 'wheezy/[^/]+$' | cut -d'/' -f2 | sort | uniq |
| 10:16.21 | Dudytz | now I need a command to list all packages from a given repository |
| 10:16.43 | Dudytz | eg. all available packages for the contrib repository |
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| 10:20.29 | jdoles | Dudytz: Debian is not so well suited for these things. |
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| 10:20.48 | jdoles | Dudytz: you can get some hack to work, but fundamentally, it's flawed. |
| 10:20.50 | jmcnaught | Dudytz: aptitude search "?section(contrib)" |
| 10:20.55 | Dudytz | jdoles: but I do the first question only with command ... this is not a debian thing .. is a linux thing |
| 10:21.18 | jdoles | Dudytz: apt-cache is a Debian thing. |
| 10:21.32 | Dudytz | jmcnaught: great! is this ... thank you |
| 10:21.45 | jdoles | I would like to have proper APIs for Debian package management too. |
| 10:21.52 | Dudytz | jdoles: all the things is possible with linux commands |
| 10:22.05 | jmcnaught | Dudytz: your pipeline above didn't do anything for me.. what's the output supposed to look like? |
| 10:22.07 | jdoles | Dudytz: please assume for a moment that you are an ant compared to me. |
| 10:22.17 | jdoles | Dudytz: nothing personal, btw. |
| 10:22.19 | Dudytz | jmcnaught: works only in wheezy |
| 10:22.35 | Dudytz | or change the wheezy to another |
| 10:22.40 | Dudytz | in the command string |
| 10:22.46 | jdoles | Dudytz: also: learn to read. |
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| 10:22.55 | jdoles | Dudytz: I said "you can get some hack to work". |
| 10:23.19 | jdoles | Dudytz: that's the same you saying "all the things is possible with linux commands" (sic). |
| 10:23.44 | Dudytz | jdoles: ignored |
| 10:24.03 | shay_shay | http://lolnux.com/36.html |
| 10:24.05 | jdoles | Dudytz: I will add you too. |
| 10:24.11 | jdoles | Done |
| 10:24.12 | Dudytz | jdoles: "please assume for a moment that you are an ant compared to me."... LoL .. |
| 10:24.22 | jdoles | Linux has become WAY too popular. |
| 10:24.37 | jmcnaught | Dudytz: doh! i was in a chroot. You could remove a few steps from that pipeline. Let me give it a try |
| 10:24.39 | shay_shay | why "way" |
| 10:24.48 | jdoles | shay_shay: fairly epic. |
| 10:24.58 | Dudytz | jmcnaught: .. ok! thanks! |
| 10:25.07 | jdoles | shay_shay: can I suggest KDE4 without bells and whistles? |
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| 10:25.37 | jdoles | Anything but Gnome3 and Unity. |
| 10:25.58 | shay_shay | hmm i have never tried a minimal kde install |
| 10:26.17 | jdoles | If you have seen how the depencendies work in the Gnome2 camp, you know that you don't want to have anything to do with Gnome. |
| 10:26.27 | jdoles | dependencies* |
| 10:26.45 | Dudytz | jmcnaught: do you know any alternative to "aptitude search "?section(contrib)" using only apt commands? .. I need to use only apt :( |
| 10:26.46 | jdoles | They had ... wait for it.... *circular* dependencies. |
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| 10:27.22 | shay_shay | oh noes |
| 10:27.23 | jdoles | To build Gnome, I had to provide my own version of some tool to bootstrap it. |
| 10:27.45 | jdoles | Luckily someone on the Internets already provided exactly such a tool, but it was pretty epic failure. |
| 10:28.13 | jdoles | So, if they cannot even get basic things like dependencies right, why should I even consider for a second that they can create a usable UI? |
| 10:28.43 | jdoles | The KDE4 people did similar stupid stuff, but since 4.10 or so it sort of works again. |
| 10:29.26 | jdoles | Some people simply give up on this supposedly "simple to use" interfaces and go with something like xmonad/ion3, etc. |
| 10:29.36 | Dudytz | jmcnaught: now I am using apt-cache dump! is great to "filter" results to my needs |
| 10:29.52 | jdoles | At least those systems work and don't require reconfiguration after an upgrade and you can create configurations which you can move from one machine to another. |
| 10:30.11 | jdoles | The very idea that someone only has one machine to work on is rather outdated. |
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| 10:31.02 | jmcnaught | Dudytz: you can remove the first "sort | uniq" from your original pipeline. Also "sort -u" eliminates the need for uniq. Why can't you use aptitude, it's part of standard Debian install? |
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| 10:32.22 | Dudytz | jmcnaught: I need apt because is much more faster than apt |
| 10:32.48 | Dudytz | jmcnaught: sorry ... more faster than aptitude |
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| 10:33.12 | Dudytz | jmcnaught: thank you! I removed the extra sort | uniq |
| 10:33.26 | darsie | Can I launch a script at wake up from suspend? |
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| 10:35.05 | cdb23 | hello, can someone help me. i have 2 gre tunnel endpoints, gre1 and gre1. i read through larc Traffic Shaping tutorials and i tried to setup qos on gre endpoint2 on eth0. on endpoint 1 if i do a speedtest it dont changes my downstream instead it changes my upstream?!?!?! |
| 10:35.16 | jmcnaught | Dudytz: also try using sort -u. For apt-cache search there's --full if you insist on making a fancy pipeline. aptitude might be a little slower, but it has way better search features |
| 10:35.21 | cdb23 | *speedtest on gre endpoint 2 |
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| 10:35.32 | cdb23 | on gre endpoint 1 I mean |
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| 10:37.38 | Dudytz | jmcnaught: I need to run this in a php script to run in a nginx web server ... I really need apt ... and apt have a parameter to tell the path of index files |
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| 10:40.17 | jmcnaught | darsie: checkout pm-action(8) the FILES section talks about scripts in /etc/pm/sleep.d |
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| 10:40.42 | darsie | jmcnaught: ok. thx. |
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| 10:42.15 | jmcnaught | Dudytz: okay, will it be public facing? sounds like a lot to happen on each request, even without aptitude |
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| 10:44.57 | Dudytz | jmcnaught: to a custom enterprise debian installer with an screen to choose custom packages |
| 10:45.40 | Dudytz | jmcnaught: no public, is a commercial product |
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| 10:46.18 | ompaul | Dudytz: and the source is available to the purchaser? |
| 10:46.18 | Dudytz | jmcnaught: I need all things that I need ... thank you very much! |
| 10:46.25 | Dudytz | ampaul: no |
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| 10:46.41 | ompaul | Dudytz: and you depend on glibc you are in breach of the GPL goodbye |
| 10:46.41 | Dudytz | ompaul: is a internal system .. not available to customers |
| 10:47.05 | ompaul | custom enterprise the enterprise is the customer |
| 10:47.11 | ompaul | so the enterprise has the source |
| 10:47.15 | Dudytz | ompaul: sorry my bad english |
| 10:47.41 | jmcnaught | Dudytz: cool, hopefully you can release it as free software. Building proprietary stuff on top of free software kind of sucks in my opinion. Good luck with it :) |
| 10:47.50 | ratrace | ompaul: how are you in breach of GPL if you depend only on glibc? |
| 10:48.22 | ompaul | linkys |
| 10:48.24 | ompaul | links |
| 10:48.24 | Dudytz | jmcnaught: thank you .... is not a my decision .. is the decision of the boss .. LoL |
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| 10:48.29 | ompaul | linking to it |
| 10:48.39 | utente | hello. my boot partition is ext2, i must resize it. (no, i can boot drom another partition or from a live-cd, the partition is a nand flash on a embeded ARM baord, CUBIEBOARD). So, the qeustio in: can i do _something_hat_i_dont_know to tel to the OS: "hey you, now reboot and at reboot reduce the / of 300M"? |
| 10:48.59 | ompaul | Dudytz: your boss should use synaptic or the kde tool the name of which escapes me |
| 10:49.16 | Dudytz | ompaul: can you talk with him? |
| 10:49.20 | Dudytz | ompaul: LoL |
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| 10:49.46 | Dudytz | thanks all! goodbye |
| 10:49.52 | ompaul | programming an installer is not trivial |
| 10:49.57 | ratrace | ompaul: I thought there was this thing called GPL linking exception... |
| 10:50.30 | ratrace | so basically if he doesn't modify glic, only links to it, no gpl violation there |
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| 10:50.33 | ompaul | ratrace: consider the priible |
| 10:50.35 | ratrace | *glibc |
| 10:50.40 | ompaul | ratrace: consider the proble |
| 10:50.43 | ompaul | wooopws |
| 10:50.46 | level7 | Hi all |
| 10:50.47 | ompaul | ratrace: consider the problem, |
| 10:50.57 | level7 | I have two problems with icedove.... |
| 10:51.03 | level7 | not sure this is the right channel |
| 10:51.07 | ratrace | only two? :D |
| 10:51.10 | ompaul | ratrace: it's going to be a case of taking apart dpkg / synaptic / kdetools and end up with a problem :) |
| 10:51.12 | level7 | but I will ask for the first one |
| 10:51.16 | level7 | why ratrace? :D |
| 10:51.33 | level7 | well the first problem that I have is that I imported my profile and email from windows |
| 10:51.41 | ratrace | level7: just poking at it :) |
| 10:51.44 | level7 | now the icedove window do not resize vertially |
| 10:51.47 | level7 | I mean.... |
| 10:51.48 | ompaul | that's not a problem get your abook.mab |
| 10:51.56 | ompaul | that's about all you can use |
| 10:52.06 | ompaul | the underlying arrangement is different |
| 10:52.09 | level7 | I cannot maximize the window nor I cannot vertically resize |
| 10:52.12 | ratrace | ompaul: if he doesn't modify code and redistribute modified binaries without source, he's not violating gpl |
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| 10:52.41 | ratrace | level7: sounds like a problem with wm? |
| 10:52.52 | ompaul | ratrace: I reacted to his "enterprise" thing, which is distribution, but anyway I was sloppy which is a mistake |
| 10:53.10 | level7 | I do not think sit looks like some setting after I imported the profile |
| 10:53.20 | ompaul | level7: mv .icedove |
| 10:53.24 | ompaul | level7: mv .icedove somethingelse |
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| 10:53.38 | ompaul | level7: start icedove again and just use the settings |
| 10:53.39 | level7 | if I will do it I will loose the whole email |
| 10:53.42 | ratrace | ompaul: it's okay, I thought there was some recent change you were talking about and I wasn't aware of :) |
| 10:53.49 | level7 | ompaul: |
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| 10:53.58 | level7 | yes if I restart with another profile it works |
| 10:54.07 | level7 | correction: if I restart in safe mode |
| 10:54.10 | ompaul | level7: then you can import not settings |
| 10:54.12 | level7 | it works nice |
| 10:54.13 | ompaul | but |
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| 10:54.24 | ompaul | files that you want your current version to read |
| 10:54.47 | level7 | so |
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| 10:55.07 | level7 | I was wondering if there is some setting file somwehre |
| 10:55.52 | jmcnaught | level7: if you press <enter> less it'll be easier to follow you |
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| 10:56.20 | level7 | sorry... I am using icedove chat... and as said I cannot see what I am typing... |
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| 10:56.52 | SynrGy | level7: consider using an irc client that works? :) |
| 10:56.52 | level7 | to summirize: I cannot resize the vertical size of icedove |
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| 10:57.02 | level7 | I would love to... any advice? |
| 10:57.51 | SynrGy | gui or text? for the former, hexchat. for the latter, irssi or weechat |
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| 10:58.17 | level7 | GUI would be nice |
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| 10:58.24 | level7 | hexchat does not install nicely |
| 10:58.36 | level7 | weechat..installed but still have to set ip up |
| 10:58.43 | SynrGy | level7: no? it's in backports ... |
| 10:58.46 | SynrGy | ,v hexchat |
| 10:58.47 | judd | Package: hexchat on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 2.10.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.0-1; sid: 2.10.0-1 |
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| 10:59.22 | SynrGy | level7: it's the successor to xchat |
| 10:59.23 | SynrGy | ,v xchat |
| 10:59.24 | judd | Package: xchat on i386 -- squeeze: 2.8.8-3; wheezy: 2.8.8-7.1; jessie: 2.8.8-7.1+b1; sid: 2.8.8-7.1+b1 |
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| 10:59.58 | SynrGy | level7: unlike xchat, it is actually still maintained. |
| 11:00.12 | ompaul | level7: the configs rely on different, the sanest way to do this is to run imap on something drag the mail into the imap folder using windows thunderbird then connect using whatever you want to that imap |
| 11:00.19 | level7 | well... it looks like I have the wrong soruce packages |
| 11:00.38 | level7 | ompaul: ompaul I have gigs of emails |
| 11:00.53 | SynrGy | level7: oh, also quassel |
| 11:00.53 | ompaul | level7: so you have some fun ahead of you |
| 11:01.01 | level7 | quassel... hum.... |
| 11:01.14 | SynrGy | has the advantage of staying online constantly, and there are apps for it |
| 11:01.14 | ompaul | level7: run a virtual machine with windows to read old mail |
| 11:01.18 | SynrGy | quasseldroid, etc. |
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| 11:02.52 | level7 | ompaul.. I am just deleting the old vm machine with XP to run it on linux |
| 11:03.21 | level7 | installing wuassel :) |
| 11:03.23 | jmcnaught | level7: The profile that you imported, did it come from Thunderbird on Windows or something else? Did it include a bunch of email archives that are no longer available on your IMAP server? |
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| 11:03.31 | level7 | from TB on windows |
| 11:03.45 | ompaul | level7: that does not parse I do not know what you are saying |
| 11:03.46 | level7 | yes a lot of crap like old servers |
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| 11:06.06 | level7 | jmcnaught: that is mor related to a problem that I still did not talk about... |
| 11:06.21 | level7 | 'script error message that opens each time I start the icedoveit's a |
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| 11:07.58 | jmcnaught | level7: Icedove can import "just the addressbook" or "just the email" instead of importing everything (which includes settings). And then you could just input the settings for your mail servers manually. Would that do the trick? |
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| 11:08.53 | level7 | hum... dunno |
| 11:09.12 | level7 | wait I am tryin gto work on wuassel |
| 11:09.15 | level7 | :) |
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| 11:10.13 | level7_ | hum.. |
| 11:10.17 | level7_ | let's see :) |
| 11:10.30 | level7_ | that is more confortable, thank you :) |
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| 11:11.45 | level7_ | jmcnaught: well as it is right now I am almost there |
| 11:11.49 | level7_ | except 2 problems |
| 11:12.02 | level7_ | the first is this windows resize issue... which is annoying |
| 11:12.09 | level7_ | the second problem is the script error |
| 11:13.01 | level7_ | maybe if I solve the script I can solve also the resize.... |
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| 11:13.45 | level7_ | the problem with the script is that when I start icedove it stays 20 seconds unrensponsive and that it says: A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete. |
| 11:13.45 | level7_ | Script: chrome://messenger/content/mailWindow.js:173 |
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| 11:14.06 | jmcnaught | level7_: Maybe. You could also try running icedove from a terminal to see if it outputs any error messages. Icedove also has an "error console" under the tools menu. |
| 11:15.15 | level7_ | ok that shows errors |
| 11:15.18 | level7_ | I will investigate later |
| 11:15.23 | level7_ | lunch time :) |
| 11:15.24 | level7_ | brb |
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| 11:16.00 | Asuran | is it possible to pipe a folder to xz/Tar utils? a programm downloads files which i want to compress on the fly but it seems it doesn't support pipe support for output |
| 11:16.34 | darsie | mcedit quits when I press enter :( |
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| 11:19.48 | darsie | must be a configuration issue. Works as other user. |
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| 11:22.49 | ehy | could one remove selinux from debian and kernel, not just disable? |
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| 11:28.21 | Brigo | ehy, you should recompile the kernel |
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| 11:38.21 | Walex2 | Asuran: depends, some high compression tools need to scan the entire file to compress it optimally, so they cannot compress a stream. |
| 11:38.30 | Walex2 | Asuran: read carefully the manual therefore. |
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| 12:16.58 | BluesKaj | 'Morning |
| 12:17.42 | xecycle | Hi; I want to get a mail notification of detailed changes when a package is updated in stable. Do we have such a list? I'm okay with either all packages or a manual selection of packages. |
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| 12:26.38 | xecycle | Huh so it's debian-changes. |
| 12:27.25 | heurist | xecycle: https://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 12:28.10 | xecycle | heurist: Thanks, I'll read that too. |
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| 12:45.11 | osfd_home | in alternatives, what is the alternative for the file manager |
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| 12:52.47 | zykotick9 | osfd_home: i don't believe there is one... "update-alternatives --config <TAB>" will list them all |
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| 12:53.50 | transmission1 | Hi there |
| 12:54.05 | transmission1 | How do I check if an application i'm using is gtk or qt? |
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| 12:54.35 | Asuran | maybe check sources |
| 12:54.54 | Asuran | i doubt that youre app can change between gtk/qt |
| 12:55.03 | xecycle | transmission1: (if the executable is not deleted) ldd /path/to/executable and check if it links to gtk or qt |
| 12:55.33 | osfd_home | zykotick9: thank you |
| 12:55.33 | transmission1 | ok |
| 12:55.51 | Asuran | xecycle: this works too when static linked? |
| 12:56.04 | xecycle | Asuran: Of course not. |
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| 12:59.17 | Junka | are debian backports official? or a kind of thing like rpmfusion to fedora? |
| 13:00.57 | babilen | dpkg: debian-backports |
| 13:00.57 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
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| 13:01.38 | Junka | thanks babilen |
| 13:02.14 | heurist | dpkg: tell Junka about backports caveat |
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| 13:15.59 | markv | Hi |
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| 13:16.09 | markv | I'm trying to get Debian on my router with DebianWRT |
| 13:16.25 | markv | I've got a Linksys WRT160N v2 |
| 13:16.32 | markv | Will it work on this? |
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| 13:18.07 | ectospasm | markv: consult this: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start |
| 13:18.44 | markv | The WRT160NL is there |
| 13:18.46 | markv | Not my model |
| 13:20.09 | markv | Hmm |
| 13:20.19 | markv | Would a Sky Box be compatible with Debian? |
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| 13:23.48 | Dmitry | I had installed Debian, but did not installed grub boot record. However I can boot to debian from usb (there's grub4dos on it). I want to install grub boot record to the debian ext4 partition, not to the MBR of entire HDD. I've read that I can do this from running debian by grub-install /dev/sda3, where /dev/sda3 is my debian partition. Is it right? And how is it safe? Do other partitions will not be damaged, If something goes wrong |
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| 13:24.48 | dvs | Dmitry: What do you want to accomplish by installing GRUB to the partition |
| 13:24.49 | dvs | ? |
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| 13:25.10 | tobiasBora__ | Hello ! |
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| 13:25.56 | tobiasBora__ | I would like to move with GParted a FAT32 partition (20 Mo) whose goal is obscur for me (I just think it's related to UEFI) but when I move it I have the error "File system doesn't have expected sizes for windows to like it". Do you know how to move this partition ? |
| 13:26.02 | Dmitry | I want to try boot debian from win7 boot manager then |
| 13:26.09 | babilen | Dmitry: It's perfectly save to do so, but what are you trying to achieve by that? |
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| 13:26.36 | babilen | Dmitry: That might be possible, but I have no idea about the windows boot manager. |
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| 13:29.28 | Dmitry | babilen: Or boot it from grub4dos flash by root (hdx,y) and chainloader +1 commands instead of kernel and initrd commands. |
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| 13:30.45 | Dmitry | babilen: I just don't want replace windows mbr now |
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| 13:33.26 | JIV | hello, i have stuck server. cant login with ssh cause server is in shutdown sequence - The system is going down on Thu Jul 24 . Any ideas how to login/clean reboot this? |
| 13:34.00 | ectospasm | JIV: do you have physical access to the box? |
| 13:34.15 | JIV | ectospasm: yes but its ARM board. |
| 13:34.26 | ectospasm | Can you not power cycle it? |
| 13:34.30 | JIV | tried disconnect power and plug back on, still in shutdown :o |
| 13:34.50 | Dmitry | Thanks. What about my 2nd question? Other partitions will be ok if grub-install fails? |
| 13:34.53 | frazr | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2Fe8mySnE8 |
| 13:34.58 | ectospasm | how long did you leave it unplugged, JIV? |
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| 13:36.11 | JIV | ectospasm: like 3 days, since 24 |
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| 13:37.00 | ectospasm | I highly doubt it's stuck in shutdown mode then. Can you connect it to a display and keyboard, and see why it's hanging on boot? |
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| 13:39.10 | JIV | ectospasm: gotta try with usb ttl |
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| 13:43.51 | babilen | Dmitry: I answered that question (wouldn't expect any problems) |
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| 13:45.37 | JIV | ectospasm: http://pastebin.com/CPx4jLa5 |
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| 13:45.46 | level7_ | hi all |
| 13:45.48 | JIV | it wont login me even directly |
| 13:45.50 | level7_ | I am back |
| 13:46.00 | level7_ | so jmcnaught..are you still there? |
| 13:46.08 | Dmitry | babilen: Ok. I'm going to reboot and try.. |
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| 13:47.56 | ectospasm | JIV: disconnect power with the ttyS0 connection running, look at the boot messages. |
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| 13:54.50 | JIV | ectospasm: still same after power disconnect - full boot log http://pastebin.com/J6j2ze8Z there are many errors cause hdd is not connected |
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| 13:59.09 | ectospasm | JIV: I don't really know. Looks like it's stuck in shutdown mode. Maybe removing /etc/nologin or something might let you log in, but that's just a guess |
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| 14:01.34 | level7_ | ok guys... so I have the following problem with icedove... I have copied the profile directory in the icedove directory |
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| 14:02.30 | level7_ | obviously what happened is that I migrated the whole thing with all the extentions and the whole "dirtty" configuration |
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| 14:04.05 | level7_ | now I would avoid to loose the whole configuration, i.e account passwords filters, etc and I have also multiple email boxes, etc. So I Was wondering if there is a way to "clean" the icedove directory with all the nasty extentions |
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| 14:04.49 | level7_ | for example: I also migrated the lighting account that I can really delete, because it's giving me issues... any clue? |
| 14:05.34 | heurist | level7_: you may have to ask the mozilla people, does not sound like a debian thing, or something we can help you with. |
| 14:05.54 | level7_ | well thank you, I will look for the right channel :) |
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| 14:06.07 | heurist | level7_: good luck. |
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| 14:08.50 | JIV | ectospasm: got dc, did u posted smnthg? |
| 14:09.03 | ectospasm | JIV: I don't really know. Looks like it's stuck in shutdown mode. Maybe removing /etc/nologin or something might let you log in, but that's just a guess |
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| 14:09.44 | JIV | ectospasm: ok thanks anyway, i think better restore os from backup :) and never use shutdown on this din-dong boards :D |
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| 14:15.26 | SorenV | if I put a script in /usr/local/sbin, can I invoke it in crontab by name or do I need to add the dir? |
| 14:15.55 | dvs | SorenV: you need the full path of the script |
| 14:16.15 | SorenV | So cron doesn't use $PATH |
| 14:16.20 | dvs | no |
| 14:16.25 | SorenV | k thx |
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| 14:31.00 | stakewinner00 | whre |
| 14:31.13 | stakewinner00 | where I can found a iso of debian without the "setup.exe"? |
| 14:32.14 | heurist | stakewinner00: https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
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| 14:33.21 | stakewinner00 | heurist: I download "32-bit PC torrents (DVD)" but have the "setup.exe" and can't boot (in USB) |
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| 14:34.11 | dvs | How does the setup.exe prevent you from starting it up with a USB? |
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| 14:34.41 | heurist | stakewinner00: did you put it on the usb correctly? |
| 14:34.46 | banjo | i cant eject cdrom: wrong ioctl |
| 14:34.52 | stakewinner00 | I used unetbootin |
| 14:35.01 | dvs | heh |
| 14:35.04 | dvs | !unetbootin |
| 14:35.05 | heurist | stakewinner00: well that is probably your issue. |
| 14:35.05 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 14:35.23 | banjo | eject: tried to use `/dev/cdrom' as device name but it is no block device; eject: unable to find or open device for: `cdrom' |
| 14:35.24 | stakewinner00 | dvs: Lol, ok |
| 14:35.40 | stakewinner00 | dvs: I tried YUMI too. |
| 14:35.41 | banjo | tried 'eject /dev/sr0' -> wrong ioctl |
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| 14:36.45 | heurist | dpkg: tell stakewinner00 about hybrid images |
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| 14:37.45 | stakewinner00 | heurist: Thank you |
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| 14:51.59 | Lope | LXDE logs off instantly when I login. (password definitely correct, have reset it from the terminal). Any ideas? |
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| 15:01.28 | Brigo | Lope, look at the log in /var/log |
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| 15:08.44 | utente | Lope, maybe partision is full and lxde cannot create temporary files and abort. |
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| 15:29.26 | Jobbe | Hey hi |
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| 15:30.58 | Jobbe | In TWM, I'm trying to do a dual monitor setup, but it seems the windows won't fully leave primary monitor ? |
| 15:31.03 | Jobbe | like i pull one window to the other screen, and small part of window stays on the other monitor |
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| 15:31.21 | Jobbe | Where the browser ends to the right, is where themonitor ends. The terminal window to the right ispulled as far to the right as i can. http://jobbe.me/upload/2014-07-27-171052_2390x768_scrot.png |
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| 15:32.13 | jelly-home | did not know twm was still being maintained |
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| 15:33.36 | ageis | so fglrx is broken with the latest xserver/jessie |
| 15:33.40 | ageis | sucks |
| 15:33.57 | Lope | Brigo: utente: I just found another way. starting vncserver from a shell script. |
| 15:34.02 | jhutchins | ageis: jessie is supposed to be broken, that's what it's for. |
| 15:34.10 | ageis | :) |
| 15:34.45 | Lope | I'm having a weird experience with eth0. I've set it to inet static, but when I try "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" it starts trying to do DHCPDISCOVER? |
| 15:34.50 | Lope | does it matter that the lan cable is out? |
| 15:35.06 | plshelp | guys anyone had any good/bad experience with digitalocean? http://t.co/3kjd36kEgD |
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| 15:35.19 | Jobbe | It is :) or it was last updated Wed, 09 Feb 2011 17:42:27 +0100 |
| 15:35.24 | Jobbe | at least in wheezy |
| 15:35.35 | Lope | oh, my bad. there was an old entry in the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 15:35.48 | utente | Lope, good |
| 15:36.10 | Lope | okay now I got the elusive RTNETLINK: File exists error. |
| 15:36.34 | utente | Lope, post your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:39.16 | Lope | http://codepad.org/pbpIcUtr |
| 15:39.26 | Lope | thanks :) |
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| 15:42.27 | Jobbe | OH! |
| 15:42.30 | Jobbe | Fixed it |
| 15:42.34 | Jobbe | when i set the screen |
| 15:42.37 | Jobbe | i have to reset twm |
| 15:44.05 | Lope | My static IP works without the default gateway being set. but when I set the default gateway it says RTNETLINK answers: File exits. Failed to bring up eth0 |
| 15:45.25 | Lope | okay stackexchange sorted me out: ip addr flush dev eth0 |
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| 16:00.41 | kale | hi, i'm trying to watch a DVD is there a recommended repository for getting css libs? |
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| 16:03.00 | BluesKaj | kale, try the videolan vlc site for libdvdcss |
| 16:03.40 | kale | BluesKaj: ok thanks |
| 16:04.01 | BluesKaj | http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html , kale |
| 16:04.59 | mtn | kale: remember, if all else fails, try the debian wiki :P |
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| 16:08.50 | widmo | Hi, is it possible to install sources of the currently installed kernel? My kernel is 3.2.0 but linux-source-3.2 package is 3.2.6 |
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| 16:10.46 | Cpuroast | widmo: headers you mean? |
| 16:10.56 | widmo | Cpuroast: no, sources |
| 16:11.02 | Cpuroast | widmo: the kernel version rarely changes |
| 16:11.03 | widmo | I'm trying to build a kernel module |
| 16:11.04 | Cpuroast | in debian |
| 16:11.05 | BluesKaj | mtn, the css linux version works here |
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| 16:11.24 | Cpuroast | widmo: cat /proc/version |
| 16:11.30 | Cpuroast | and you'll get the real version |
| 16:11.32 | mtn | BluesKaj: ? |
| 16:11.46 | widmo | The real version is: 3.2.0-4-486 |
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| 16:12.02 | Cpuroast | it's not :) |
| 16:12.03 | linuxthefish | why does debian always want to install a load of crap? |
| 16:12.07 | linuxthefish | "Suggested packages" on apt-get install |
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| 16:12.19 | widmo | Cpuroast: That's what it says in cpuinfo |
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| 16:12.26 | widmo | s/cpuinfo/version/ |
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| 16:12.29 | Cpuroast | widmo: that's the debian kernel version |
| 16:12.38 | Cpuroast | widmo: not the actual upstream kernel version |
| 16:12.39 | Brigo | widmo, linux-source-3.2 |
| 16:12.57 | BluesKaj | mtn, assumed you were doubting that css from vlc would work |
| 16:13.07 | widmo | Brigo: this package contains 3.2.6 sources |
| 16:13.11 | linuxthefish | i don't need wireshark when installing python |
| 16:13.19 | mtn | BluesKaj: nope, was suggesting he use the debian wiki when wondering how to use debian :) |
| 16:13.44 | BluesKaj | mtn, ok |
| 16:13.51 | mtn | BluesKaj: probably was not as clear as I thought I was |
| 16:14.09 | Cpuroast | widmo: do cat /proc/version |
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| 16:14.16 | Cpuroast | and you'll see the actual kernel version |
| 16:14.22 | widmo | Cpuroast: I did, I said it already |
| 16:14.26 | Cpuroast | nope |
| 16:14.26 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 16:14.30 | Cpuroast | read further |
| 16:14.42 | widmo | Oh, you're right |
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| 16:15.19 | Cpuroast | 3.2.0-4 is the debian kernel version |
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| 16:15.25 | widmo | Cpuroast: so any ideas why am i getting "invaild module format"? |
| 16:15.30 | widmo | while trying to insmod |
| 16:15.41 | Cpuroast | nope |
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| 16:16.08 | maziar | hi , any body can help me about this error : http://askubuntu.com/questions/503360/apt-get-update-error-302 |
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| 16:17.14 | mtn | maziar: you aren't using debian, are you? |
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| 16:18.19 | maziar | mtn, yes i am ussing debian wheezy |
| 16:18.28 | Brigo | widmo, i think threre is not such package, and i has never been in debian:http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/linux-source-3.2/ |
| 16:18.34 | mtn | maziar: sure doesn't look like it. |
| 16:19.27 | maziar | mtn, both of servers are debian wheezy base : http://www.turnkeylinux.org/tkldev |
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| 16:20.15 | mtn | maziar: turnkey has its own forums |
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| 16:21.45 | maziar | mtn, sure but if you search my error , you can see some people have this error to |
| 16:22.22 | mtn | maziar: this channel only supports debian, not derivatives |
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| 16:23.26 | maziar | mtn, so you dont other people ? turnkey linux is same as debian, its just customized ! |
| 16:23.39 | maziar | mtn, so you dont help other people ? turnkey linux is same as debian, its just customized ! |
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| 16:25.01 | porton | Why after system update icons in Gnome menus and in Firefox are gone? I want them back! |
| 16:25.47 | tilt | gnome knows what's good |
| 16:25.49 | mtn | porton: which version of debian? |
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| 16:26.03 | porton | mtn: "testing" updated yesterday |
| 16:26.04 | tilt | it's made by the best & most experienced user interface designers of the world |
| 16:26.18 | mtn | porton: good question for the debian-next channel |
| 16:26.26 | porton | join #debian-next |
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| 16:26.46 | porton | Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only). |
| 16:26.57 | tilt | hahaha |
| 16:26.59 | Brigo | !tell porton about debian-nest |
| 16:27.00 | mtn | porton: on the oftc.net irc server |
| 16:27.11 | Brigo | !tell porton about debian-next |
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| 16:30.16 | maziar | m#turnkey |
| 16:30.20 | maziar | #turnkey |
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| 16:31.24 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 16:31.38 | Azrael_- | i'm using courier imap and got a big folder which i want to delete. with outlook this takes ages, how can i delete it on the server side? |
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| 16:33.29 | utente | Azrael_-, how much big the folder is? |
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| 16:35.10 | maziar | mtn, so think my os is debian wheezy, what is your solution |
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| 16:35.50 | mtn | maziar: remove all the non-debian repos and see how it works. if it is broken, reinstall. https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 16:37.01 | maziar | mtn, on more question, why every thing is ok on my other server , with same configuration ? |
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| 16:37.27 | mtn | maziar: no way for me to know. must be some difference you aren't noticing |
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| 16:38.11 | level7 | hi all... how do I mount a "windows/samba" disk with some GUI tool under debian ? |
| 16:38.30 | Azrael_- | utente: 200 folders, 5k files, 2gb |
| 16:38.33 | Brigo | level7, con smbclient o smbmount |
| 16:38.41 | Brigo | s/con/with, sorry |
| 16:38.56 | maziar | mtn, every thing is same , i config both of them , just the data center is different |
| 16:39.28 | mtn | maziar: hmm, the same, but different. see a conflict in your logic? |
| 16:39.30 | maziar | Azrael_-, you must write a script to remove file s |
| 16:40.06 | level7 | anybody using swat ? |
| 16:40.22 | level7 | really.. it would speed up things |
| 16:40.37 | maziar | mtn, every thin is same , but because data center is diff , then network route is diff , can it be the resion ? |
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| 16:41.05 | mtn | maziar: as I said, I have no idea and what you are using is not supported in the debian channels |
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| 16:42.17 | maziar | mtn, as you dont know , it's supported on debian chanels ! raise your knowledge please !!!! |
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| 16:43.16 | mtn | maziar: Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 16:44.28 | Azrael_- | maziar: my problem: how can i properly remove the files and folders without screwing with the clients and subscriptions? |
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| 16:45.45 | maziar | mtn, I hve Advice for you, if you dont know nothing please be quiet |
| 16:46.38 | maziar | Azrael_-, what is your mail server , mta , and what is path off rhese file's |
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| 16:52.14 | Azrael_- | maziar: postfix+courier-imapd |
| 16:52.43 | maziar | Azrael_-, and what is the absolut address of directory |
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| 16:53.21 | Azrael_- | one example: /home/email/web38p21/Maildir/Gel&APY-schte Objekte.Confetti |
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| 17:02.01 | capin | anyone here using debian on a MBPr, the reason I ask is because I'm trying to load GParted (latest) to resize a couple of partitions on a MBPr (late 2013), i started a thread here => http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/viewtopic.php?pid=32500#p32500 |
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| 17:11.50 | decci | When the system enters into sleep mode I can not get access to it via ssh and I can not get back to normal mode. I can get back to normal mode only when I make reboot of the server with my hand clicking button on system block. I tried to turn off sleep mode in Gnome in system settings: "brightness and lock" and "Power", but it did not work |
| 17:12.14 | decci | May I know how shall I fix this? |
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| 17:12.30 | decci | I am using Debian 7.6 |
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| 17:14.38 | ompaul | decci: if apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree doesn't help and you can't find other data about your hardware that needs some firmware then you have to complain about your hardware to your manafacturer and ask them to regularise their hardware with linux (if you don't ask it won't happen) |
| 17:15.10 | decci | ompaul: Ok. BTW..BIOS 2004 Motherboard Asus Gryphon Z87 |
| 17:15.48 | rtur | Hi, what packages are required in order for networking with dhcp to work ? I've created a wheezy qemu image, without "Standard Utilities" but something seems missing. I remember to have done this a while ago with standard utilities and it worked out of the box. |
| 17:15.50 | ompaul | decci: you can lspci and search for the various parts you see on various items |
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| 17:51.25 | stack | I have kde 4.13.3, is that normal that baloo is not shipped with it and I have mixed 4.13 and 4.12 packages? |
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| 17:57.17 | petern_ | stack, are you running stable? |
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| 18:02.55 | hiuf | anyone knows how to virtualize a running windows server to kvm? a bit off topic I guess :| but if anyone knows please pm me or something :) |
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| 18:12.20 | ompaul | hiuf: you should have googled http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Guest_Support_Status |
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| 18:37.23 | Sysaxed | Hello! My internet connection works fine, but some programs keep reconnecting or just throw "Broken pipe" errors. I have no access to router and everything, so I probably cannot fix the connection itself, but what bothers me most is that SSH connection drops just too much (same broken pipe thing). What can I do? |
| 18:37.42 | iwilcox | Long shot: does anyone happen to have (exactly) inkscape armhf binary .deb at version 0.48.4-3+b2 ? |
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| 18:42.33 | Sysaxed | One more thing to continue my question: some programs work pretty well! For example emacs ERC does something to keep connection, while rcirc keeps disconnecting. I'm pretty sure that there is something to improve my situation, if only I knew what ERC is doing exactly |
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| 18:45.56 | jmcnaught | iwilcox: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/inkscape/0.48.4-3/#inkscape_0.48.4-3:2b:b2 |
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| 18:47.19 | iwilcox | jmcnaught: Oh, neat. Somehow a few searches failed to find that, and I just concluded nobody ran anything like that because it'd get prohibitively large. Thanks! :) |
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| 18:47.50 | jmcnaught | iwilcox: no problem :) |
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| 18:48.52 | Sysaxed | hmmm it seems like I fixed my problem with TCPKeepAlive ServerAliveInterval and ServerAliveCountMax options in ssh config. Thanks. |
| 18:50.09 | iwilcox | Sysaxed: You really need to get access to the router, else you're just going to have a string of ugly per-app timeout/keepalive tweaks |
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| 18:50.33 | Sysaxed | iwilcox: I know, unfortunately that is not possible now |
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| 19:29.51 | jhutchins | Sysaxed: You might want to use something like mtr to see if you're getting steady connections. |
| 19:30.21 | jhutchins | Sysaxed: Does ifconfig show any packet errors? |
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| 19:32.19 | meek_geek | guys I want to buy a new system to use debian |
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| 19:33.23 | Mr_Queue | do it. |
| 19:34.57 | Sysaxed | jhutchins: Oh. Nope |
| 19:35.10 | meek_geek | Mr_Queue, I would be using it for firefox + videos + virtualbox ( windows 8 ) + libreoffice ( printers / scanners ) for 3 yrs at least |
| 19:35.26 | Sysaxed | jhutchins: errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 both for rx and tx |
| 19:35.26 | meek_geek | Should I go with i5 ? |
| 19:35.31 | meek_geek | or i3 would do |
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| 19:36.51 | Sysaxed | What is i5? New tiling window manager? Ha-ha. |
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| 19:38.24 | meek_geek | Sysaxed, i5 processor |
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| 19:39.36 | Sysaxed | jhutchins: I am pretty sure that the problem is not on my side, I have several PCs with the same problem, but only when using this connection |
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| 19:42.57 | jhutchins | Sysaxed: If you were to trace the problem to a specific point in the network it might help whoever provides it fix it. |
| 19:44.21 | jhutchins | meek_geek: Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go? |
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| 19:45.40 | Mr_Queue | i3 would be fine. |
| 19:45.46 | Mr_Queue | You don't need much at all. |
| 19:45.48 | sine0 | the apt-get version of a software is quite old, how can i upgrade it, do i have to do it manually install |
| 19:45.55 | Mr_Queue | You want RAM |
| 19:46.06 | meek_geek | I am thinking about Intel® Core⢠i3 (4130) with 4 GB RAM with 1 TB HDD ( 7200 RPM ) |
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| 19:47.08 | meek_geek | Mr_Queue, 4 gigs enough ? |
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| 19:48.24 | Mr_Queue | meek_geek: Depends on what that VM requires, I would go with more if you can. |
| 19:48.40 | Mr_Queue | 4G runs all my stuff so it should be okay. |
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| 19:49.16 | Mr_Queue | If you're ordering it, just get the least amount of RAM and hit up your local Fry's or whatever and add the RAM yourself. |
| 19:49.41 | Sysaxed | sine0: apt-get install somepackage ? |
| 19:49.43 | meek_geek | Mr_Queue, it requires IE and webcam and thumb scanner ( biometric ) to work |
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| 19:49.53 | Sysaxed | sine0: this will upgrade it if needed |
| 19:49.53 | meek_geek | can we do all that in a virtualbox ? |
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| 19:50.26 | meek_geek | Mr_Queue, I am ordering from DELL, do they void warranty if i add RAM ? |
| 19:50.44 | Sysaxed | sine0: is that what you're asking for? |
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| 19:55.04 | sine0 | privoxy is an older version than what is disp on authors www |
| 19:55.19 | sine0 | to get the newest version do i have to manually install |
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| 19:56.00 | Sysaxed | sine0: usually you should just stick to the version in the repo |
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| 19:56.19 | Sysaxed | sine0: if you want a newer one - get it from backports or testing or unstable |
| 19:56.37 | Sysaxed | or compile it yourself, but getting it from the repo is usually easier |
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| 19:59.24 | Sysaxed | sine0: you can quickly check version numbers here: https://packages.debian.org/sid/privoxy |
| 19:59.47 | Sysaxed | sine0: click on wheezy / jessie / sid |
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| 20:01.13 | sine0 | im on wheezy |
| 20:01.24 | sine0 | is that stable\safe packages ? |
| 20:01.33 | jmcnaught | sine0: is the privoxy package in wheezy missing some features you need, or do you just want the latest version because number matter? |
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| 20:01.35 | sine0 | not sure about the 4 build variations |
| 20:02.13 | sine0 | im newish to linux and i realised that it was out of date. nothing i know of is needed but the pieces are falling into place |
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| 20:02.47 | Sysaxed | jmcnaught: I did not even expect this. You are amazing :) |
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| 20:04.26 | ompaul | !sns |
| 20:04.27 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 20:04.31 | jmcnaught | sine0: that's sort of the Debian way. Every couple of years there is a Debian Stable release with a tonne of software included. That software has been extensively tested and bug fixed in the "testing" phase of that release. The versions mostly remain "stable" in a stable release, with security and bug fixes getting backported. It's not so much "outdated" but extensively tested to work well together. |
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| 20:07.09 | KamZou | Hi, is there a way to prevent a user to bypass /etc/profile on ssh login ? |
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| 20:14.27 | jmcnaught | KamZou: you could check the INVOCATION section of the bash(1) man page, but /etc/profile (by default) isn't do much besides setting $PATH and $PS1 |
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| 20:23.20 | rryoumaa | recently my /etc/blkid.tab has been changing frequently. every block device (/dev/sd*, /dev/mapper/*) gets a new time, about once per day. i did not notice this before. is this normal? |
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| 20:24.03 | rryoumaa | a few times a day sometimes. i keep the machine on continuously. |
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| 20:25.31 | Quicksilver | Hey guys... I'm brand new to Linux and decided to go with Debian 7 Wheezy. I have ice weasel that came with the bundle however when I'm on facebook and try to watch a video it alerts me and tells me that i need adobe flash... this is weird because youtube videos work just fine... anywho i did some googling and this is where im having issues..... : |
| 20:25.31 | Quicksilver | Open a terminal and edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list using a text editor and make sure following line exists: |
| 20:25.31 | Quicksilver | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
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| 20:26.08 | Quicksilver | when i open the terminal and type in /etc/apt/sources.list is says i have no permissions |
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| 20:26.22 | Log | how can I allow www-data to read all files owned by another user |
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| 20:27.08 | mtn | Quicksilver: to get a newer version of flash, which I suspect facebook requires, you will need to use chromium with pepperflash |
| 20:27.41 | Quicksilver | so you cannot use ice weasel? |
| 20:28.03 | mtn | Quicksilver: https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer/Installing |
| 20:28.28 | mtn | Quicksilver: not if it facebook needs a newer version of flash than iceweasel has |
| 20:28.40 | jmcnaught | Quicksilver: in Iceweasel you might be using the "gnash" plugin, or did you install "flashplugin-nonfree" package? |
| 20:28.46 | Neobenedict | sorry |
| 20:28.53 | Neobenedict | how can I allow www-data to read all files in a directory owned by another user |
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| 20:28.58 | Quicksilver | ya, thats the thing with this community. when im brand new to linux they usually give me a link or guide but coming from using windows my whole life... not quite sure where to begin |
| 20:29.15 | mtn | Quicksilver: to edit your sources.list you need to be root or have root priveledges |
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| 20:29.36 | mtn | Quicksilver: start by actually reading the link. not really that hard |
| 20:29.37 | Quicksilver | i havent tried anything |
| 20:29.45 | Quicksilver | ive read that link |
| 20:30.00 | mtn | Quicksilver: then you know where to begin |
| 20:30.34 | Quicksilver | well apparently i need to get chromium before anything first |
| 20:30.45 | mtn | Quicksilver: yes and then get pepperflash |
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| 20:33.48 | Quicksilver | ok i got chromium |
| 20:33.56 | Quicksilver | i guess my question would be |
| 20:34.04 | Quicksilver | what is diff between root terminal and just erminal |
| 20:34.07 | Quicksilver | terminal* |
| 20:35.09 | Epakai | the root terminal runs sudo or similar automatically |
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| 20:35.23 | mtn | Quicksilver: in a terminal, you can type su and hit enter, it will ask you for your root password. now you will have root permissions and can easily break everything if you aren't careful. so don't use it unless you have to. |
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| 20:35.59 | mtn | Quicksilver: to edit your sources I would recommend you use synaptic, your package manager. |
| 20:36.23 | teraflops | ^ |
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| 20:38.16 | Quicksilver | @mtn If not already done you must add backports to your sources.list |
| 20:38.26 | Quicksilver | i think i got chromium installed |
| 20:38.31 | Quicksilver | its working just fine |
| 20:38.37 | mtn | Quicksilver: there is a link there to the instructions to do backports |
| 20:38.52 | Quicksilver | i see that |
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| 20:38.59 | Quicksilver | but it doesnt show me the command |
| 20:39.02 | Quicksilver | to edit them |
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| 20:39.46 | mtn | Quicksilver: as I said, you can use synaptic to add that line to your sources |
| 20:39.55 | mtn | Quicksilver: or you can use a terminal, if you would rather |
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| 20:40.06 | Quicksilver | how would i use the termainl? |
| 20:40.14 | Quicksilver | terminal to add them |
| 20:40.33 | mtn | Quicksilver: become root, type: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:42.26 | shakur | I need help with the source code, how do I download it, can someone help me? |
| 20:42.44 | Quicksilver | i added it |
| 20:42.46 | Quicksilver | how do i save? |
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| 20:43.04 | Quicksilver | nvm i got it |
| 20:43.05 | Quicksilver | ctrl x |
| 20:43.09 | mtn | Quicksilver: ctrl x |
| 20:43.59 | Nik05 | shakur apt-get source |
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| 20:44.41 | Nik05 | shakur you can ask questions here, dont need to PM |
| 20:44.55 | shakur | Nik05 i found the sources website http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-2.2/contrib/ |
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| 20:45.03 | shakur | but the files are empty |
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| 20:45.18 | shakur | or how do i retrieve the sources ? |
| 20:45.23 | Nik05 | which ones are empty? |
| 20:45.33 | Quicksilver | Unable to locate package pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:45.56 | mtn | Quicksilver: use synaptic, your package manager. click reload first |
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| 20:46.21 | DomaMuffin | I'm installing debian minimal ( dd-d from iso to a usb-key) to a usb key, It's instaling for hours, tty1 has a progress bar looking alive, and tty4 shows unpacking/installing process with no errors. How to see what's bottlenecking ? |
| 20:46.26 | shakur | i dont understand the folder structure of http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-2.2/ |
| 20:46.38 | Nik05 | maybe under /source/ ? |
| 20:46.42 | Quicksilver | Failed to fetch http://http.debain.net/debian/dists/wheezy-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
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| 20:46.50 | shakur | what is non-free, what is contrib, what is ... and so on |
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| 20:47.08 | d3sync | http.debain.net is this valid ? |
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| 20:47.20 | d3sync | debain |
| 20:47.25 | Nik05 | shakur free, contrib, non-free is the same as in todays deian. Why do you even need source code from 2000? |
| 20:47.39 | mtn | Quicksilver: change it to one of these mirrors |
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| 20:47.41 | shakur | i have a project to branch from debian 2.2 |
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| 20:48.05 | Nik05 | you want to branch from 2.2 and you dont even know what free, contrib and non-free is? |
| 20:48.13 | Nik05 | i think you should read a little more ;) |
| 20:48.21 | shakur | yes |
| 20:48.28 | shakur | : ) that is reality |
| 20:48.30 | Quicksilver | very lost @mtn |
| 20:48.44 | mtn | Quicksilver: sorry, I forgot the link. blush. https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 20:49.09 | shakur | i am not able to adapt unlogical folder structures in my brain, my brain is too strict in thinking |
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| 20:49.40 | shakur | Nik05 where can i find more information and fast help |
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| 20:49.51 | mtn | heh |
| 20:49.52 | Nik05 | shakur main/ has the main package of debian |
| 20:50.01 | jmcnaught | DomaMuffin: what do you mean by debian minimal, where did you download the iso from? |
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| 20:50.06 | shakur | alright, that sounds logical |
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| 20:50.47 | Nik05 | shakur its not so hard to figure out yourself... especially for what you want to do. |
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| 20:50.52 | shakur | and what is contrib and non-free, i mean i think i understand what non-free is, but do i need the sources of them, or dont i need them |
| 20:51.04 | Nik05 | shakur search it on the internet |
| 20:51.17 | mtn | there's this google thing I heard of |
| 20:51.19 | DomaMuffin | jmcnaught: from https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 20:51.23 | Nik05 | stop pming me shakur |
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| 20:52.47 | shakur | this main room is too busy to have a good conversation |
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| 20:53.00 | jmcnaught | DomaMuffin: and on tty4 it's still making progress? maybe you just have a slow connection or something? |
| 20:53.18 | mtn | shakur: you probably need to turn of joins and parts |
| 20:53.23 | mtn | off, that is |
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| 20:53.32 | shakur | :D wohooo |
| 20:53.35 | shakur | thanks mtn |
| 20:53.42 | mtn | shakur: yw |
| 20:53.55 | DomaMuffin | jmcnaught: it's past the download phase, it's writing / decompressing stuff. I'm suspecting usb bottlenecking, but in this phase i dont have tools to measure anything |
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| 20:54.34 | shakur | did it |
| 20:54.40 | Nik05 | shakur how did you come up with this project? |
| 20:55.01 | shakur | it is a long story, but i want to reimplement progeny debian |
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| 20:55.41 | jmcnaught | DomaMuffin: Other than a slow computer or disk I don't know then. Hopefully it won't take much longer and won't be so slow after it reboots into the installed system. |
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| 20:56.57 | DomaMuffin | jmcnaught: funny thing is , i benchmarked both USB keys independantly , on other PC - they performed normal. Is it possible USB module is in a "slow" mode during initial system install ? |
| 20:57.00 | jmcnaught | shakur: sounds quixotic to me. https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html has definitions of main, contrib and non-free. There's *a lot* of Debian documentation around that you should check before asking in here about decade old releases. |
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| 20:57.32 | Nik05 | shakur with debian from 2000...? |
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| 20:57.52 | foreverfish | This may be a stupid question, but why when I install a package and it says that let's say 100MB additional disk space will be used, but when I'm removing it even using --purge autoremove it only removes few KB. |
| 20:57.58 | shakur | yes, does it include kernel sources too? ( @jmcnaught, will check the document immediately ) |
| 20:58.09 | mtn | DomaMuffin: normally dding the iso to a usb only takes a few minutes |
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| 20:58.25 | jmcnaught | DomaMuffin: if you're installing from one USB device to another USB device that's probably the issue. It's probably the USB bus is saturated. |
| 20:58.26 | Nik05 | foreverfish other packages that got installed? |
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| 20:58.49 | ompaul | foreverfish: stuff is left over in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 20:59.04 | foreverfish | Nik05: I thought so, but wouldn't they get removed as well when using autoremove? |
| 20:59.09 | Nik05 | dont think thats what he meant ompaul |
| 20:59.12 | shakur | shakur: testmessage |
| 20:59.32 | DomaMuffin | jmcnaught: is there a tool i can confirm it with ? I don't have iostat yet |
| 20:59.35 | shakur | what commands does freenode use? is there a list of them? |
| 20:59.42 | Nik05 | foreverfish if the packages are recommended or suggested for other packages you have it will not. It will also not for some other cases |
| 20:59.54 | ompaul | Nik05: maybe, but it might be partially interesting ;-) |
| 21:00.00 | Nik05 | shakur #freenode |
| 21:00.12 | shakur | #freenode |
| 21:00.17 | shakur | didnt work |
| 21:00.22 | Nik05 | ask there... |
| 21:00.30 | foreverfish | Nik05: Didn't know that, thank you. So to remove them, is there a command or do I have to go through the list and remove one by one? |
| 21:00.48 | shakur | thank you Nik05 |
| 21:00.51 | foreverfish | ompaul: I'll look ito that as well, thank you. |
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| 21:00.54 | Nik05 | foreverfish you can check the logs :P |
| 21:01.19 | Nik05 | but you can also change some configurations so that more packages get autoremoved |
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| 21:03.05 | Nik05 | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove on the bottom it has some strange Never-MarkAuto-Sections, Apt::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant "false"; |
| 21:03.13 | jmcnaught | DomaMuffin: not that i'm aware of in the installer. Did you select the "Desktop" task, or is it just installing a minimal system? Probably best just to wait for it to complete. USB disks can be pretty slow especially using two at the same time, extra especially if the one being written to is a flash stick |
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| 21:03.35 | Nik05 | that last one can be used so that Suggested packages are not considred a dependency |
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| 21:03.56 | quicksilver | is @mtn still here |
| 21:04.02 | mtn | quicksilver: hey there |
| 21:04.07 | quicksilver | ello! |
| 21:04.10 | foreverfish | Nik05: Thank you very much. |
| 21:04.13 | quicksilver | im glad i didnt lose you yet |
| 21:04.22 | DomaMuffin | jmcnaught: my conclusion too. I'll leave this to run, and in meantime do a preinstallation of a live distro in persistant mode on a 3rd USB-key :) I was just curious about available tools |
| 21:04.26 | quicksilver | i installed chromium |
| 21:04.47 | DomaMuffin | jmcnaught, mtn: thx |
| 21:04.55 | Mr_Queue | meek_geek: I can't see how that would void a warranty. |
| 21:05.00 | quicksilver | and put those backports in |
| 21:05.08 | quicksilver | but dont know how to use the mirrors |
| 21:05.22 | Nik05 | but foreverfish no idea what removing that stuff in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove does for a correctly working debian :P |
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| 21:05.38 | mtn | quicksilver: you mean change to the correct mirror? just edit the sources.list again to the correct mirror |
| 21:05.40 | Mr_Queue | meek_geek: You're adding hardware, not modifying what they gave you. |
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| 21:06.31 | foreverfish | Nik05: I'll look it up and fiddle with it in a virtual machine first. |
| 21:06.53 | quicksilver | i basically installed the chromium and then went and did the nano command and added that line then did ctrl x to save it |
| 21:07.04 | quicksilver | (remember i have no clue how to use debian) |
| 21:07.30 | quicksilver | so bare with me plz |
| 21:07.31 | mtn | quicksilver: you will need to open terminal, type su, give root password, type: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:07.44 | Nik05 | foreverfish you can also use aptitude to mark packages automatically a little easier. (the gui of aptitude) |
| 21:07.57 | mtn | quicksilver: then adjust the mirror address: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 21:09.23 | quicksilver | where do i do that |
| 21:09.24 | quicksilver | and what do i need to change it to |
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| 21:09.26 | mtn | quicksilver: you do it in a terminal. change it to the mirror for your country |
| 21:09.48 | quicksilver | i guess why did u have me do that nano |
| 21:09.55 | quicksilver | if im not changing anything in there |
| 21:10.08 | meek_geek | Mr_Queue, ok but it comes with Ubuntu, I would wipe it and install Debian .. but i am not sure if Debian Stable can run Intel i3 4th gen graphics |
| 21:10.34 | Mr_Queue | yes it will |
| 21:10.35 | mtn | quicksilver: open sources.list and we will change the line you need to change |
| 21:10.39 | Mr_Queue | just fine |
| 21:11.00 | quicksilver | ok im there |
| 21:11.23 | quicksilver | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.5.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 2014$ |
| 21:11.23 | quicksilver | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.5.0 _Wheezy_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 201404$ |
| 21:11.23 | quicksilver | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 21:11.23 | quicksilver | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 21:11.23 | quicksilver | deb http://http.debain.net/debian wheezy-backports main |
| 21:11.24 | quicksilver | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib |
| 21:11.24 | quicksilver | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib |
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| 21:11.39 | Nik05 | not anymore |
| 21:13.49 | Mr_Queue | meek_geek: Ubuntu just whores Debian and adds M$ type bloat and stupid stuff, so you will need less resources to run Debian. |
| 21:14.43 | meek_geek | Mr_Queue, to be frank with you.. I love Xubuntu 14.04, its faster on my 1ghz dual core laptop in comparison |
| 21:14.56 | meek_geek | but i still use debian |
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| 21:15.53 | Mr_Queue | Then put that on your new hardware. |
| 21:16.46 | meek_geek | Mr_Queue, but why is it that something that is suppose to use less resources is slower |
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| 21:17.56 | Mr_Queue | Well you can find out for yourself. Run a 'ps faux' on each machine. |
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| 21:18.41 | meek_geek | what is that ? |
| 21:19.07 | Mr_Queue | meek_geek: It's something geeks would do. You should change your nick. |
| 21:19.17 | meek_geek | heh |
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| 21:19.18 | meek_geek | i kid |
| 21:19.20 | meek_geek | ok |
| 21:19.38 | meek_geek | Mr_Queue, I am still trying to figure out why is Debian slower than Xubuntu though |
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| 21:20.11 | jmcnaught | meek_geek: any time you want to know more about a command, use man. "man ps" for example. |
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| 21:21.21 | Mr_Queue | '/usr/bin/info ps' |
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| 21:23.44 | meek_geek | i think its non-free firmware version |
| 21:24.08 | Mr_Queue | And where do you think anyone gets that firmware? |
| 21:24.30 | Mr_Queue | The whole non-free part of that. |
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| 21:25.12 | meek_geek | Mr_Queue, where ? |
| 21:25.17 | Mr_Queue | Santa. |
| 21:25.41 | Mr_Queue | It comes from the vendor, you're killing me on the amount of thought you've put into this. |
| 21:25.43 | meek_geek | Mr_Queue, you are not helping me resolve the issue |
| 21:25.50 | Mr_Queue | I don't need to. |
| 21:25.54 | meek_geek | ok |
| 21:26.10 | jmcnaught | Mr_Queue: maybe you could ignore people you don't want to help then |
| 21:26.14 | Mr_Queue | You came here asking vague broad question. |
| 21:26.29 | Mr_Queue | You're getting vague broad answers. |
| 21:26.29 | meek_geek | Mr_Queue, thanks a lot anyways :] |
| 21:27.20 | meek_geek | I told you specifically that Xubuntu 14.04 is outperforming Debian Stable (Xfce) on my AMD C-60 APU based laptop with 6 gigs of RAM |
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| 21:27.31 | Mr_Queue | Then run it. |
| 21:27.33 | cusco | lol |
| 21:27.52 | meek_geek | Mr_Queue, What could be the reason ? |
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| 21:27.57 | meek_geek | cusco, ? |
| 21:28.02 | cusco | you probably installed the whole xfce surrounded packages instead of xfce-core or xfce-session |
| 21:28.09 | cusco | you should go back to ubuntu |
| 21:28.14 | Mr_Queue | I agree. |
| 21:28.22 | Mr_Queue | Debian is for smart people. |
| 21:28.27 | meek_geek | cusco, I did not install nothing .. Debian Xfce iso got me all |
| 21:28.33 | cusco | ok |
| 21:28.40 | cusco | so you could twak it to your needs |
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| 21:28.54 | cusco | so xubuntu outperfordms debian regarding speed...? |
| 21:29.00 | cusco | doesn0t have half the features |
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| 21:29.02 | cusco | or vise versa |
| 21:29.04 | Mr_Queue | This whole fucking hand holding IRC trend as of late is driving me nuts. |
| 21:29.05 | cusco | what is the question? |
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| 21:29.35 | Mr_Queue | Welcome to a pile of smart geeks. Ask a smart question or go find a book. |
| 21:29.35 | trench_ | Mr_Queue: you must be bored if this is driving you nuts |
| 21:30.00 | meek_geek | my graphics card requires non-free linux firmware so I installed it but when i tried Image viewer or PDF Viewer .. they are not slick on debian at all .. image viewer is a disaster |
| 21:30.13 | trench_ | human beings want to solv things fast, that's why they come here |
| 21:30.25 | trench_ | s/solv/solve |
| 21:30.26 | Mr_Queue | You should write nVidia and bitch about them not open-sourcing it. |
| 21:30.40 | meek_geek | its AMD |
| 21:30.42 | Mr_Queue | Cc Linus. |
| 21:30.51 | trench_ | meek_geek: then get another one? |
| 21:30.56 | meek_geek | Mr_Queue, calm down |
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| 21:31.10 | cusco | meek_geek: install the non free firmware driver then? |
| 21:31.26 | cusco | wich is against DFSG |
| 21:31.26 | meek_geek | trench, that is why i am buying this Desktop PC with i3 4th processor and 4400 HD graphics from Inter |
| 21:31.30 | cusco | and not supported |
| 21:31.34 | cusco | but you can |
| 21:32.01 | meek_geek | cusco, ah!! don't tell me all that Debian fully supports and helps in development of non-free software |
| 21:32.31 | meek_geek | it has official repo for non-free stuff |
| 21:32.41 | cusco | actually debian doesn't support anything |
| 21:32.46 | cusco | yes |
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| 21:32.48 | meek_geek | ok |
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| 21:32.51 | cusco | so pick it from there |
| 21:32.58 | cusco | I really don't remember about ati |
| 21:32.59 | Mr_Queue | Wait, what? You can do what you want on a Linux platform? Shut up! You're pulling my leg right? |
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| 21:33.05 | cusco | fglrx? |
| 21:33.38 | meek_geek | cusco, I installed the non-free firmware and then tried a few images / pdfs and i missed xubuntu right away |
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| 21:33.58 | cusco | meek_geek: restarted Xorg in the meanwhile? |
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| 21:34.01 | iwilcox | jmcnaught: snapshots.d.o is quite something. 24TB. |
| 21:34.21 | cusco | also take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0 to make sure its loading the propper module |
| 21:34.25 | meek_geek | cusco, fglrx on my laptop is a joke .. it never performs any better but sometimes is slower than opensource driver |
| 21:34.46 | meek_geek | even on xubuntu is use opensource driver only |
| 21:34.50 | cusco | meek_geek: ok, so what did you use on ubuntu? you can use the same |
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| 21:35.03 | cusco | I don't understand now ... |
| 21:35.08 | meek_geek | cusco, I used xubuntu and i used the opensource drivers |
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| 21:35.35 | meek_geek | cusco, I did reboot 20 times and restarted Xorg 10 times specifically |
| 21:35.45 | cusco | gah, I'll take Mr_Queue point of view on this one |
| 21:36.00 | cusco | are you here to troll or with a real question? |
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| 21:36.17 | meek_geek | Mr_Queue, No I am not pulling your leg, why would you say so ? |
| 21:36.44 | meek_geek | cusco, I am here with a question but you all are making joke of it and having gala time |
| 21:36.52 | Mr_Queue | Yep. |
| 21:37.03 | cusco | meek_geek: what is that question again..? |
| 21:37.14 | trench | meek_geek: have you actually checked your logs? |
| 21:37.54 | meek_geek | trench, yep many others did as well but they say it might be the version of the non-free firmware so try to use newer kernel and see the result |
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| 21:38.15 | trench | meek_geek: and have you tried that? |
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| 21:38.43 | meek_geek | trench, no I am gonna try it now |
| 21:39.28 | trench | meek_geek: if not then read up on the documention for the kernel, because if your kernel needs more options that are not in the basic kernel you need to compile it yourself |
| 21:39.38 | Mr_Queue | http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 21:41.36 | Mr_Queue | This isn't #ubuntu, people actually know shit here. |
| 21:42.25 | trench | Mr_Queue: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before most people should start there |
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| 21:42.48 | gjvc | my fonts are still non antialiased in sid since my update on tuesday |
| 21:43.14 | trench | gjvc: you know what sid is right? |
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| 21:44.09 | trench | gjvc: and you are using sid and havn't done an update since tuesday? |
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| 21:45.54 | foreverfish | trench: I think he meant that even after recent updates it's still not fixed? |
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| 21:47.53 | Mr_Queue | trench: I agree. |
| 21:48.01 | atannus | i3! |
| 21:48.04 | trench | foreverfish: but this is not the place to tell that :P |
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| 21:48.45 | foreverfish | trench: Oh come on. I understand that the other guy deserved it, but you don't have to be that hostile. |
| 21:49.14 | trench | foreverfish: never is |
| 21:49.28 | trench | foreverfish: not the intention either |
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| 21:50.12 | atannus | meaneye: was it you who told me about i3? |
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| 21:51.50 | meaneye | Yes |
| 21:51.58 | meaneye | I gave a config. |
| 21:52.22 | atannus | meaneye: well, I'm sorry to say I lost it. short storry: new hardware. |
| 21:52.30 | meaneye | Want it again? |
| 21:52.43 | atannus | Yes. |
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| 21:53.03 | meaneye | There :D |
| 21:53.38 | meaneye | Oh, also, current version supports custom predefined window layout. |
| 21:54.18 | foreverfish | What calendar app would you recommend? |
| 21:54.28 | meek_geek | trench, ok I am installing 3.14 from the backports |
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| 21:58.07 | Jeeves_Moss | how do I restrict wget to ONLY pull images from one sub domain? I'm trying to scrape the full sized pics from a site, but I'm getting the pics plus the thumbnail |
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| 21:59.21 | atannus | I'm still trying to get multi monitors to work. |
| 21:59.35 | atannus | Not sure if my driver or what. |
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| 22:01.03 | TJ- | Jeeves_Moss: "--domains" |
| 22:01.07 | sine0 | as a newish linux user, when installing a program that is not on apt-get or another similar, does it have to be compiled from source ? |
| 22:01.16 | sine0 | i mean whats the normal way |
| 22:01.18 | Jeeves_Moss | TJ-, you 'da man. thanks |
| 22:01.28 | meaneye | atannus, Is that a Debian question or i3? |
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| 22:02.48 | atannus | meaneye: It wasn't a question, but a statement. ;) |
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| 22:03.37 | meaneye | atannus, well i3 has awesome support. X.Org is playing games then. |
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| 22:04.34 | iwilcox | sine0: Depends how clean you like your system and how big it is, I guess. |
| 22:04.39 | cusco | sine0: that seems right, if its not in the repositories, I would compile it from source |
| 22:05.01 | jmcnaught | sine0: usually i would try to find an alternative that is available as a package and see if that will work. If not you could try to make a Debian package ("/msg dpkg nmg" for some links to get you started). Compiling stuff from source installs stuff in a way that cannot be removed by apt-get and friends. |
| 22:05.11 | cusco | iwilcox's considerations are valid. For instance I don't compile anything on production servers |
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| 22:06.24 | jmcnaught | sine0: you could also ask dpkg about <stow> which is a GNU tool for managing stuff in /usr/local |
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| 22:06.30 | sine0 | jmcnaught: ok so compiling from source throws files everywhere |
| 22:06.37 | sine0 | how did they do it in the old days |
| 22:06.53 | iwilcox | sine0: They spent hours tracking stuff down :) |
| 22:07.20 | cusco | hu? |
| 22:07.41 | sine0 | would it not write to file where it had put stuff and then looked at that when removing |
| 22:08.25 | iwilcox | I guess distros like slackware probably have rudimentary lists of contents of archives. |
| 22:08.53 | iwilcox | The software itself doesn't, since it's the concern of the distro/package manager/person who packages it. |
| 22:10.03 | iwilcox | (There's sometimes overlap when the maintainer happens to integrate support for a particular distro) |
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| 22:10.41 | iwilcox | Hmm. s/maintainer/author/ for clarity |
| 22:10.51 | jmcnaught | sine0: the source tarball for the application you're considing compiling should have a README or INSTALL file.. different projects use different systems for compiling and installing from source. Many of them use GNU autotools.. sometimes there's a "make uninstall" command but you need to read the documentation that comes with the software, and I wouldn't count on "make uninstall" to always work properly. As a new Debian user, my advice is to stick |
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| 22:11.07 | sine0 | sounds like a heahache. i remember trying to do it years ago |
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| 22:12.05 | sine0 | yea the packages and apt-get are great. i first used them on gentoo |
| 22:12.52 | sine0 | im using a raspberyypi on my network and ssh to it via console. its great fun and all these console applications are really powerful |
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| 22:14.29 | Megaf | Hi all, so, I did dd if=image.img of=/dev/disk1, I did md5sum image.img and compared to the server, it's ok, I got the same md5sum. Now I'm doing md5sum /dev/disk1, but that is taking quite a long time |
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| 22:14.47 | Megaf | is there other way to verify if the image was sucefuly copied? |
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| 22:15.04 | meek_geek | hi |
| 22:15.22 | frostschutz | Megaf, if you still have the image, cmp image.img /dev/disk1 |
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| 22:15.55 | Mr_Queue | Megaf: that md5 sum's how I'd do it. |
| 22:16.27 | frostschutz | md5sum will just give you a different result, especially if the image is smaller than the disk |
| 22:17.08 | cusco | note that he dd'ed it to a partition |
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| 22:17.14 | cusco | wouldn't it be the same? |
| 22:17.36 | Megaf | cusco; the partition would be, in my case, disk1s1 |
| 22:17.51 | frostschutz | Megaf, this is for CD but it works just the same in your case http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/146221/30851 |
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| 22:18.28 | Mr_Queue | frostschutz: How would the md5's mismatch? |
| 22:18.28 | Megaf | frostschutz; I have no trouble at all working with imgs and isos to usb flash, I just want a way to verify if it worked |
| 22:18.55 | cusco | apple |
| 22:19.13 | Megaf | The command I actually used was curl http://url.com/debian.iso | tee debian.iso > /dev/disk1 |
| 22:19.32 | Mr_Queue | You could have skipped tee there I believe. |
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| 22:19.54 | Megaf | Mr_Queue; nope, I want to have a copy of the iso in my disk |
| 22:20.01 | frostschutz | Mr_Queue, due to size difference. if the disk is larger than the iso, the surplus data on the disk will change the sum if you just md5sum the entire disk... |
| 22:20.18 | frostschutz | Mr_Queue, even though that's not a problem for, say, booting an iso or whatever |
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| 22:20.23 | sine0 | i386 is for 64bit cpu |
| 22:20.46 | Megaf | sine0; 64 bit CPU and 64 bit OS X |
| 22:20.47 | sine0 | pentium instruction set |
| 22:20.58 | sine0 | i7 |
| 22:20.59 | Megaf | hm |
| 22:21.04 | Megaf | what are you talking about? |
| 22:21.20 | sine0 | iso dl of debian |
| 22:21.25 | frostschutz | sine0, i386 is 32bit, amd64 is 64bit |
| 22:21.33 | Megaf | sine0; you are safer with i386 |
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| 22:21.49 | Megaf | with i386 you will have no problem running things like skype |
| 22:21.53 | frostschutz | nobody uses i386 anymore |
| 22:22.01 | Megaf | the i386 will work on any CPU |
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| 22:22.11 | sine0 | but i have an i7 |
| 22:22.17 | Megaf | and you can have a 64 bit kernel on a 32 bit OS |
| 22:22.31 | sine0 | whyis it safer |
| 22:22.36 | Megaf | and then run 32 bit software, like skype |
| 22:22.52 | frostschutz | sine0, amd64 is for intel too, if that's whats confusing you |
| 22:22.57 | rryoumaa | if you have intel, use amd64 :) |
| 22:22.58 | sine0 | ok |
| 22:23.02 | Megaf | sine0; there are a lot of stupid companys, like microsoft, that only make 32 bit version of theier software, like skype |
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| 22:23.42 | sine0 | but having a 64bit os will still let me run 32bit software right, like i am doing now on windows 7 64bit with skype |
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| 22:24.07 | Megaf | sine0; In theory yes |
| 22:24.19 | Megaf | but you will have to install a lot of 32 bit libs as dependencies |
| 22:24.29 | sine0 | you mean apt-get will |
| 22:24.31 | Megaf | and add the 32 bit repositorie to your package manager |
| 22:24.54 | Megaf | It's easier to just intall 32 bit debian and use 64 bit kernel |
| 22:24.55 | frostschutz | sine0, yes, don't worry about it |
| 22:25.08 | Epakai | there's no repository to add, debian has multiarch |
| 22:25.17 | ricepooding | Megaf, could use a chroot perhaps |
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| 22:25.54 | sine0 | im going to get 3 dvds so i wanted to make sure it was right. im going for amd64 |
| 22:25.59 | Megaf | ricepooding; indeed, once I used a 32 bit debian chroot solo to run skype |
| 22:26.06 | Megaf | it worked very nicely |
| 22:26.19 | Megaf | but again, that was quite a lot of work and wasted space on libs |
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| 22:26.37 | Megaf | It's quicker and easier to use a 32 bit OS and 64 bit kernel |
| 22:26.42 | Megaf | the kernel will be 64 bit |
| 22:26.42 | frostschutz | sine0, you don't need dvds provided you have network... |
| 22:26.46 | frostschutz | Megaf, it's braindead |
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| 22:26.59 | Megaf | sine0; you only need DVD1 |
| 22:27.02 | sine0 | i do use skype alot.. |
| 22:27.23 | Megaf | so do I |
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| 22:27.39 | Epakai | i don't get it, debian has multiarch, package manager is going to handle all the dependencies, only thing you're losing is a bit of space |
| 22:28.15 | Megaf | sine0; if you use 64 bit, you will have some work, adding the 32 bit arch to apt |
| 22:28.19 | Epakai | why you would set up a chroot or worry about 32 and 64 bit installs is beyond me |
| 22:28.23 | Megaf | and getting even more packages |
| 22:28.32 | Megaf | but if you are ok with that, go with 64 bit |
| 22:28.45 | ricepooding | Megaf, can't you just dpkg --add-architecture i386? |
| 22:28.58 | Megaf | yep |
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| 22:29.13 | Megaf | sine0; write that down [19:28:45] <ricepooding> Megaf, can't you just dpkg --add-architecture i386? |
| 22:29.16 | iwilcox | frostschutz: There's plenty of life in i386 :P |
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| 22:30.06 | sine0 | heh k |
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| 22:31.10 | Megaf | sine0; ok, bottonline, get 64 bit install DVD1 |
| 22:31.28 | Megaf | sine0; is not a Mac you are using, is it? |
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| 22:32.46 | sine0 | amiga |
| 22:33.00 | sine0 | jokes. no |
| 22:33.09 | Megaf | a commodore? |
| 22:33.10 | Megaf | =) |
| 22:34.08 | sine0 | i do really like linux and have flirted with it alot over the years, but i allways end up residing in a windows install due to the os specific software i end up using. |
| 22:35.03 | lns | Megaf, I have a Commodore 64 sitting in my office closet, complete with monitor and joysticks =D |
| 22:35.08 | aw908fka982z | sine0: i know your situation full well :) |
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| 22:35.26 | taylanub | There's a package "libgcrypt11". Is this supposed to provide libgcrypt for general usage? Because it doesn't install a plain .so symlink, only .so.11 |
| 22:35.39 | Megaf | lns; That's really cool, that's part of USA tech history |
| 22:35.46 | Megaf | you should keep it |
| 22:35.52 | sine0 | aw908fka982z: what software do you use that pulls you in to m$ |
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| 22:37.53 | lns | Megaf, I am. It's in great condition too. Just want to get a hold of a 1541 disk drive and "datasette" recorder =) Then I'll make my own tapes like I used when I was 5 ;) |
| 22:38.14 | lns | oh, and Boss joysticks. Those were....well, boss. |
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| 22:38.47 | Megaf | lns; cool |
| 22:38.50 | Megaf | gtg people, cya |
| 22:39.33 | lns | Last OT post, and a little Commodore factoid.. QVC now owns the old Commodore building, so any time you're watching TV and see QVC on, you are looking at where they used to make Commodores. |
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| 22:46.51 | aw908fka982z | sine0: mostly .net-programs. the mono implementation unfortunately isn't perfect |
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| 22:50.30 | gtristan | what package contains the 'dch' tool ? |
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| 22:51.06 | gtristan | I'm following this guide to building a debian package: https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging ... which specifies the 'dch' tool |
| 22:51.24 | gtristan | however I'm already running a minimum installation/repository so it's not installed by default |
| 22:51.51 | gtristan | just don't know there must be some 'debian-package-utils' package... just no way to tell how it would be named |
| 22:52.34 | azashog | graytron: devscripts |
| 22:52.41 | azashog | gtristan: ^^^^^ oops |
| 22:52.44 | gtristan | azashog, thanks :) |
| 22:52.48 | jpleau | gtristan: the link you gave is has a list of "technical requirements", you should install the 3 packages listed there |
| 22:53.04 | gtristan | jpleau, ah, missed that sorry |
| 22:54.36 | jpleau | gtristan: There is also 'apt-file' , you can use it for example with: apt-file search /usr/bin/dch and it will tell you what package contains this file :) Quite handy |
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| 23:05.12 | gtristan | oh |
| 23:05.19 | gtristan | discovers apt-file... sweet |
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| 23:11.23 | capin | anyone here using debian on a MBPr? |
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| 23:18.39 | Penix | yes |
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| 23:21.04 | capin | Penix: is yours the late 2013 model? |
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| 23:38.42 | roboman2444 | so upon latest apt-get upgrade, my kernel gets stuck at waiting for /dev |
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| 23:39.03 | roboman2444 | booting with rescue mode says stuff about the nvidia drm kernel module being wonky |
| 23:39.18 | roboman2444 | i cant boot into a working system, so i cant update my nvidia kernel module either |
| 23:39.38 | roboman2444 | anyway i can use grub E option to make sure it doesnt try to load the module? |
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| 23:40.30 | logan6 | i have a 5.3 gigabyte mbox file, how can I split it into other mbox files so I can open it in an email reader |
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| 23:46.54 | trench | roboman2444: what is your question? |
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| 23:48.56 | trench | logan6: http://tinyurl.com/l32oyh6 |
| 23:49.14 | trench | logan6: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before that one too |
| 23:49.25 | logan6 | yes i've tried |
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| 23:49.53 | logan0405 | hey guys |
| 23:50.30 | logan0405 | im trying to mount an iso image but when i try to it says cant read superblock |
| 23:51.03 | logan0405 | using mount -o loop any ideas what that means? i googled a bit couldnt find anything |
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| 23:54.16 | superlinux | Hi , my internet goes back only when i shutdown linux. What i should do? |
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| 23:54.56 | garyfin | Hi, my debian terminal isn't displaying some characters correctly, can I get some help? |
| 23:54.58 | superlinux | When linux is running , internet comes and goes |
| 23:55.03 | garyfin | How it looks: âââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢â⬠|
| 23:55.09 | garyfin | It can't display hebrew/arabic either |
| 23:55.11 | garyfin | I am using UTF-8 |
| 23:55.18 | trench | superlinux: look at your network setup |
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| 23:55.58 | superlinux | What exactly i should be looking for? |
| 23:56.44 | trench | garyfin: https://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 23:56.48 | superlinux | My linux laptop has a static IP |
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| 23:57.29 | superlinux | I use wicd |
| 23:57.30 | trench | superlinux: I have no idea how you setup your network, so you need to check your logs |
| 23:57.41 | superlinux | Ok |
| 23:58.41 | trench | logan0405: check what kind of filesys are supported at your setup |
| 23:59.04 | logan0405 | what do you mean? |
| 23:59.09 | trench | logan0405: also check the status of your iso |
| 23:59.20 | logan0405 | file sys the iso supports? |
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| 23:59.38 | trench | logan0405: your setup what you have added to your setup |
| 23:59.52 | trench | what fs you have enabled |
| 23:59.55 | logan0405 | hrmm |
| 23:59.56 | logan0405 | oh |
