| 00:00.11 | logan0405 | ext4 |
| 00:00.22 | trench | your iso is not ext4 |
| 00:00.28 | logan0405 | oh i see |
| 00:00.30 | logan0405 | thx |
| 00:00.42 | logan0405 | how do i check what fs it is |
| 00:01.37 | trench | mount should tell you what you have added |
| 00:01.58 | logan0405 | hmm |
| 00:02.15 | logan0405 | it wont let me add it though |
| 00:02.26 | logan0405 | it says wrong fs type |
| 00:02.29 | logan0405 | thats all |
| 00:02.38 | logan0405 | is openbsd_cd55.iso |
| 00:03.00 | jmcnaught | logan0405: "file openbsd_cd55.iso" should tell you what type of filesystem it is |
| 00:03.24 | logan0405 | lol |
| 00:03.28 | logan0405 | it says empty |
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| 00:05.09 | f55384 | when I try to join #debian-next it says I need an invite. How do I get one? |
| 00:05.10 | logan0405 | let me try to redownload another version |
| 00:05.21 | garyfin | Hi, my debian terminal isn't displaying some characters correctly, can I get some help? |
| 00:05.23 | garyfin | How it looks: âââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã¢â⬠|
| 00:05.24 | garyfin | I am using UTF-8 |
| 00:05.29 | garyfin | It can't display hebrew/arabic either |
| 00:05.43 | acu | f55384, debian-next is in OFTC not freenode |
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| 00:06.08 | logan0405 | gary u trying to display english characters? |
| 00:06.17 | garyfin | no... arabic and hebrew |
| 00:06.21 | garyfin | and some unique symbols |
| 00:06.39 | logan0405 | oh |
| 00:07.05 | f55384 | acu: oh, there's my problem. Thanks |
| 00:07.37 | ThreeOclock | garyfin: Which terminal are you using? And which font is it using? |
| 00:07.44 | garyfin | i'm using zsh |
| 00:07.46 | garyfin | with KiTTy |
| 00:07.48 | garyfin | (putty fork) |
| 00:07.52 | garyfin | how do I check my font ThreeOclock? |
| 00:08.37 | ThreeOclock | I'm not sure, I never used KiTTy, let me see. :) |
| 00:08.49 | garyfin | KiTTy is basically PuTTy |
| 00:08.56 | garyfin | just forked |
| 00:08.59 | garyfin | with some new features |
| 00:09.24 | f55384 | Anyone here using jessie? Obconf stopped working. Something about an invalid pointer at 0x000000 |
| 00:09.31 | jmcnaught | garyfin: if you're running kitty on windows it's probably a windows problem. https://wiki.debian.org/Locale has information about locales for Debian, "dpkg-reconfigure locales" will let you select locales to be included. |
| 00:09.53 | garyfin | i'm using "en_US.UTF-8" |
| 00:09.59 | garyfin | I don't think it's a windows problem |
| 00:10.07 | garyfin | I tried with my debian vmware |
| 00:10.09 | garyfin | and it was teh same |
| 00:10.15 | garyfin | the* |
| 00:10.58 | ThreeOclock | It's probably under "Window > Appearance > Font settings" |
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| 00:11.38 | garyfin | which font should I choose ThreeOclock? |
| 00:11.51 | jmcnaught | garyfin: when you tried under your Debian VM did you use putty, or ssh in a terminal? |
| 00:11.57 | garyfin | ssh in terminal |
| 00:12.00 | garyfin | it's only CLI |
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| 00:15.42 | jimcooncat | What is Kompozer or NVU calling itself these days? |
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| 00:16.39 | jmcnaught | garyfin: do you mean console or tty in the Debian VM (as in no X)? international characters don't work for me in the console either, but they do in Gnome Terminal for example |
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| 00:17.01 | garyfin | no X |
| 00:17.54 | jmcnaught | garyfin: so in Kitty it's a windows problem, in your Debian VM it's a console issue. It would work fine from a terminal emulator in Debian I bet. |
| 00:18.14 | garyfin | alright, i'm trying to change font on windows 8.1 but it doesn't have any options |
| 00:18.15 | garyfin | god |
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| 00:18.22 | garyfin | it shouldn't require this much work to change a font in an OS |
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| 00:18.54 | jmcnaught | garyfin: there might be a windows channel that could help you with that issue.. or try installing X and a desktop environment in your Debian VM |
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| 00:19.12 | garyfin | thanks jmcnaught |
| 00:19.15 | garyfin | i'll try changing font |
| 00:19.32 | logan0405 | anyone know how to rename a usb drive |
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| 00:20.51 | pclov3r | the mount point or? |
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| 00:21.56 | logan0405 | o i think ifound a way |
| 00:22.02 | logan0405 | mlabel command |
| 00:22.09 | musca | logan0405: the name is the "label" of the filesystem |
| 00:22.16 | garyfin | jmcnaught: |
| 00:22.19 | musca | ah, yougot it :) |
| 00:22.20 | garyfin | which font would you recommend? |
| 00:22.21 | logan0405 | mine is name CrunchBang |
| 00:22.27 | garyfin | for the characters to work? |
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| 00:22.45 | logan0405 | in /media/ i mean |
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| 00:23.23 | ThreeOclock | garyfin: GNU FreeFont has a monospaced font which has both Arabic and Hebrew glyphs. |
| 00:23.29 | musca | logan0405: yes. the mountpoint is derived from the label of the mounted filesystem. |
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| 00:25.26 | logan0405 | ok found a way to do it easy in gparted |
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| 00:26.52 | logan0405 | ok time to experiment and see if USB will boot from just copying files |
| 00:26.52 | logan0405 | nope |
| 00:26.53 | logan0405 | lol |
| 00:27.07 | logan0405 | it says missing operating system |
| 00:27.12 | logan0405 | hmm fudge |
| 00:28.12 | logan0405 | anyone know what programs like unetbootin do differently then just formatting and setting usb as bootable? |
| 00:28.35 | musca | !unetbootin |
| 00:28.35 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 00:28.55 | logan0405 | hmm |
| 00:29.06 | logan0405 | so is there any easy way to do it w/ no extra programs |
| 00:29.42 | musca | well, it extracts the single components from the iso image and creates its own boot method |
| 00:29.51 | logan0405 | i tried copying ISO contents over to my usb and setting it as bootable, why doesnt that work? |
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| 00:30.21 | musca | which iso do you want to boot? |
| 00:30.22 | jmcnaught | logan0405: if you're preparing an official Debian iso on a USB stick, the correct way to do it is "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (where sdX is the usb device). If this is a crunchbang iso you should ask in the crunchbang channel because it's possibly different and #! isn't supported here |
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| 00:31.05 | logan0405 | its neither im just on a debian based os |
| 00:31.14 | jmcnaught | !based on debian |
| 00:31.15 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 00:31.32 | ThreeOclock | In theory `dd` should work. |
| 00:31.43 | jmcnaught | logan0405: instructions that apply to debian isos don't necessarily apply to derivatives... see ^^^ |
| 00:31.51 | logan0405 | kool |
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| 00:36.55 | frostschutz | "setting it as bootable" sounds like you put it on a partition |
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| 00:52.33 | roboman2444 | trench, <roboman2444> anyway i can use grub E option to make sure it doesnt try to load the module? |
| 00:52.46 | roboman2444 | turns out it just takes 5 min to get all the /dev/ now |
| 00:52.52 | roboman2444 | works, but is very dissapointing |
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| 01:16.52 | temhaa | hi |
| 01:18.04 | temhaa | I'm using ldap my debian machine and I wrong ldap configured . I can not access to machine and get invalid password error |
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| 01:40.45 | garyfin2 | hi, how can I change font in my debian console? |
| 01:40.51 | garyfin2 | I want the font 'dejavu' |
| 01:41.27 | nf7 | garyfin2: GUI terminal or the actual console? |
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| 01:41.37 | garyfin2 | gui terminal, it's my server |
| 01:41.41 | garyfin2 | i ssh into it |
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| 01:42.22 | nf7 | garyfin2: If you ssh into it, you would need to change the font of your terminal on your physical machine, would you not? |
| 01:42.36 | garyfin2 | err, I don't know? |
| 01:43.17 | nf7 | garyfin2: I'm not sure I understand your situation, explain it a bit more. |
| 01:43.27 | garyfin2 | okay so I have a server that I do stuff on |
| 01:43.30 | garyfin2 | and it can't display some characters |
| 01:43.35 | garyfin2 | such as arabic, hebrew |
| 01:43.39 | garyfin2 | and some special characters |
| 01:43.42 | garyfin2 | I have UTF-8 set |
| 01:43.45 | garyfin2 | and I'm thinking it's the font |
| 01:43.56 | garyfin2 | all my locales are en_US UTF-8 |
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| 01:44.34 | nf7 | garyfin2: And what terminal emulator are you using? |
| 01:44.46 | garyfin2 | I'm using KiTTy, a fork of PuTTy |
| 01:44.50 | garyfin2 | and it's using UTF-8 as well |
| 01:45.05 | f55384 | Garyfin2: its the font on whatever machine you sshing from. Not the server |
| 01:45.14 | dvs | so it's kitty |
| 01:45.16 | garyfin2 | I'm on windows 8.1 |
| 01:45.25 | garyfin2 | I sshed into it from my debian vmware |
| 01:45.27 | garyfin2 | and it was still the same |
| 01:45.40 | garyfin2 | even though the locales on it are all utf-8 too |
| 01:45.42 | nf7 | garyfin2: Yes I'm not sure about your invalid character problem, but if you want to change the font, it has nothing to do with the server at all, but your terminal emulator. |
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| 01:46.07 | nf7 | garyfin2: You should download Terminus for Windows and change KiTTy's font to Terminus. |
| 01:46.12 | garyfin2 | http://i.imgur.com/TdHggK7.png |
| 01:46.15 | garyfin2 | here's a picture of my kitty |
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| 01:46.56 | garyfin2 | Alright, will do nf7 |
| 01:46.56 | garyfin2 | thanks! |
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| 01:47.23 | garyfin2 | which variants do I want nf7? |
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| 01:47.24 | garyfin2 | all of them? |
| 01:47.32 | nf7 | garyfin2: Probably just the monospace one |
| 01:48.02 | nf7 | garyfin2: There is a Windows installer of it on http://terminus-font.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 01:48.47 | garyfin2 | okay, I downloaded and installed it |
| 01:48.54 | garyfin2 | now to figure out how to use it on kitty |
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| 01:49.25 | garyfin2 | alright |
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| 01:50.27 | orneryolphart | Hi y'all! |
| 01:50.50 | garyfin2 | which script do I want nf7? |
| 01:50.52 | garyfin2 | on the terminus |
| 01:50.55 | garyfin2 | greek/arabic etc |
| 01:51.59 | nf7 | garyfin2: Did you change the font? |
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| 01:52.08 | garyfin2 | yeah, it's terminus |
| 01:52.14 | garyfin2 | script is `western' |
| 01:52.45 | nf7 | garyfin2: Well, I don't really know much about this, but unless Terminus has characters for Arabic, Greek, etc. I don't see how it could display them. |
| 01:53.15 | garyfin2 | yeah, it still can't display them |
| 01:53.24 | garyfin2 | :( |
| 01:53.41 | nf7 | garyfin2: Well, try using a font that you know for sure can display them. |
| 01:55.15 | nf7 | garyfin2: What does the command 'echo $LANG' say on your terminal? |
| 01:55.25 | nf7 | garyfin2: on the server I mean |
| 01:55.26 | garyfin2 | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 01:55.32 | acu | hey guys - is owncloud7 available in jessie ? |
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| 01:56.05 | garyfin2 | I installed the dejavu font but it's not showing up |
| 01:56.28 | centrx | acu, Not yet, https://packages.qa.debian.org/o/owncloud.html |
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| 01:57.26 | nf7 | garyfin2: Do the characters display properly on the server itself physically? |
| 01:58.05 | garyfin2 | nf7: I am not sure, how do I check that? |
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| 01:58.21 | nf7 | garyfin2: Do you have physical access to the server? |
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| 01:58.28 | garyfin2 | no, it's a linode server |
| 01:58.41 | nf7 | garyfin2: Nevermind then. |
| 01:58.45 | garyfin2 | alright |
| 01:59.04 | jmcnaught | garyfin2: install X and a terminal emulator in your Debian VM and I bet you it will look fine |
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| 02:07.23 | acu | another ever anoying question - for /boot is any reason why should I use ext vs xfs ? |
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| 02:10.42 | centrx | acu, ext4 is the most widely used and well-tested, so use that unless you have a specific reason to use XFS |
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| 02:12.42 | pclov3r | for very large filesystems you probably want to use XFS |
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| 02:15.24 | psiphre | hello any or all - i'm trying to get my new raspberry pi running raspbmc running openelec to connect to my wireless network and it sees zero networks. my wireless adapter works under raspian. |
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| 02:19.23 | jmcnaught | psiphre: You should try asking in an openelec channel or forum, it's not supported in #debian (nor is raspian) :/ |
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| 02:20.14 | psiphre | lol ok i'll try there... the #raspberrypi guys said to ask in here. thanks :) |
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| 02:22.21 | MY123 | Sending him because he does not know how to use firmware-linux* packages. |
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| 02:27.31 | dangi_ | anyone have experience restorting a clonezilla backup of a partition on one machine to a partition on a different machine? I'd like the second machine to be able to boot into it's current partition (Ubuntu) as well as the restore partition (Debian). Not sure where to start. My best guess right now is to create a blank partition on the new machine, restore to it, and run grub-update. Is it that simple? |
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| 02:40.21 | capin | dangi_: i don't think clonezilla works @ a partition level but rather at a block level |
| 02:40.50 | capin | could be wrong though ;/ haven't used clonezilla in a couple of months |
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| 02:42.55 | dangi_ | capin: there is the option to backup / restore at the partition level. there are even instructions for how to restore to partitions with different names than the backup partition |
| 02:43.38 | dangi_ | i'm mostly concerned with getting the new machine to recognize the restored partition as one of the boot options |
| 02:43.45 | dangi_ | don't know much about grub |
| 02:44.14 | capin | ehhh i hear yuh, maybe #grub channel could help if you get stuck |
| 02:44.48 | dangi_ | capin: didn't know about that channel, thanks! |
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| 03:00.50 | capin | well i guess dangi_ split :P |
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| 03:57.56 | nf7 | Am I going to have trouble installing Debian Wheezy on a UEFI motherboard? I'm getting a new computer next week and I just realized that there may be some complications there... |
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| 04:05.30 | nf7 | Also, I can't any mention of whether or not the motherboard I'm buying will have a "bios compatibility mode" or not. Is that something that all UEFI motherboards are assumed to have? It's this mobo: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Q87ME/overview/ |
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| 04:07.04 | rryoumaa | there was a conversation earlier today about how to get media to work without the proprietary adobe plugin. what i want to work is the last.fm free (as in beer) online player. is there a tool in debian that will get that to work? |
| 04:08.06 | rryoumaa | (a regaular app player would be even better, but my understanding is that the free subscriptions do not support that) |
| 04:08.07 | nf7 | rryoumaa: What player are you talking about? |
| 04:08.07 | nf7 | rryoumaa: Can you link me to it. |
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| 04:10.53 | nf7 | rryoumaa: ? |
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| 04:11.08 | rryoumaa | nf7: just their site's default (flash) player. i'll pick an artist at random from the front page. http://www.last.fm/music/Lana+Del+Rey/_/West+Coast |
| 04:11.19 | nf7 | rryoumaa: What browser are you on? |
| 04:11.49 | rryoumaa | iceweasel |
| 04:12.02 | nf7 | rryoumaa: Works fine on Google Chrome, as does the rest of the internet. |
| 04:12.25 | nf7 | rryoumaa: I believe Google makes their own version of flash. |
| 04:12.37 | rryoumaa | i'm leery of installing anything non-debian |
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| 04:13.00 | dgp | rryoumaa: use chromium and the pepper flash plugin |
| 04:13.08 | nf7 | rryoumaa: Why? |
| 04:13.09 | rryoumaa | dgp: is that known to work? |
| 04:13.20 | rryoumaa | i tried a bunch of things like that a while back and nothing worked |
| 04:13.28 | dgp | rryoumaa: it works for me with youtube etc, should work for anything else flash |
| 04:13.33 | nf7 | rryoumaa: It's the same thing as installing Google Chrome. Either vanilla Chrome or Chromium + Pepper Flash Plugin. |
| 04:13.50 | dgp | rryoumaa: pepperflash is the official flash player but maintained by google |
| 04:13.56 | rryoumaa | dgp: does it work on the link above? |
| 04:14.09 | dgp | one sec |
| 04:14.15 | nf7 | rryoumaa: Yes it does. |
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| 04:14.26 | dgp | yep |
| 04:15.02 | rryoumaa | great, thanks i will try that. debian wheezy chromium + debian pepper-flash or something, right? |
| 04:15.47 | rryoumaa | all i found was pepperflashplugin-nonfree. i don't want anything from non-free. |
| 04:15.52 | nf7 | rryoumaa: Do you have something against Chrome specifically or anything that isn't Debian (so everything that isn't Ice Weasel)? |
| 04:16.11 | dgp | What happens when a buildd can't build something because a build dep is missing but that build dep isn't building because it in turn depends on the first package? does a manual upload need to happen? |
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| 04:16.48 | dgp | rryouma: the video on that page was youtube.. if you go to your youtube settings you should be able to turn on the HTML5 player to play most stuff without flash |
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| 04:17.14 | rryoumaa | oops. then i linked you the wrong place. i mean their PLAYER. |
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| 04:18.13 | rryoumaa | their radio |
| 04:18.14 | dgp | I'm not sure what the state of the open flash players is these days but it's just easier to use the non-free one. I can deal with that level of non-free |
| 04:18.16 | themill | dgp: can one of the packages make use of an older version of the package for the compilation? that's the normal approach unless it's a compiler bootstrap. |
| 04:19.21 | dgp | themill: For SH4 gcc-4.8 isn't building because it needs gcc-4.9-base, and that needs a newer version of python2.7 but that wants a newer version of gcc-4.8 it seems |
| 04:19.44 | rryoumaa | i don't know if this is their radio or not, but all i get is that i have to download a plugin. i am already signed up for youtube html5. http://www.last.fm/music/H.U.V.A.+Network/_/Something+Heavens |
| 04:19.45 | themill | python doesn't build-dep on a specific version of gcc |
| 04:20.33 | dgp | themill: sorry the dep for gcc-4.9 (to get gcc-4.9-base) is gdb and that depends on python |
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| 04:20.57 | dgp | themill: http://buildd.debian-ports.org/status/package.php?p=python2.7&suite=sid |
| 04:21.30 | themill | dgp: anyway, things like SH4 aren't actually official debian architectures and aren't even hosted on debian infrastructure. One of the reasons for that is normally that things need some hand-holding still and some packages require the porters to handhold the build to get it to finish. |
| 04:22.49 | dgp | themill: yeah, I just wanted to work out if it's a problem that'll go away before I start asking people to fix it :) |
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| 04:23.59 | themill | I don't know how many active porters there are for sh4. |
| 04:24.44 | dgp | There isn't even a mainline kernel maintainer at the moment it seems |
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| 04:34.53 | pablo | hello guys, what does the 1: that ubuntu places as prefix on some packages mean? |
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| 04:36.53 | dondelelcaro | pablo: I'm assuming you mean package versions, and that's an epoch. |
| 04:39.48 | pablo | dondelelcaro: yes, on the package versions, what is an epoch? what is it used for? |
| 04:40.48 | themill | !version epoch |
| 04:40.48 | dpkg | The version number of a package has a prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge, X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1 < 6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be "0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about <compare versions> <debian revision>. |
| 04:41.56 | pablo | dondelelcaro: compare libpulse0 versioning in debian and ubuntu, why does ubuntu uses an epoch? |
| 04:42.27 | themill | pablo: you've have to ask the ubuntu developers why they felt that was required |
| 04:42.55 | pablo | themill: ok, weird to me |
| 04:42.59 | pablo | thanls |
| 04:43.05 | pablo | thanks |
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| 04:59.23 | jgalt | how do I install nmap without getting all the extra crap it wants to install like gnuplot and imagemagik |
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| 05:00.38 | dondelelcaro | jgalt: uh... nmap doesn't depend on gnuplot nor imagemagick. |
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| 05:02.06 | jgalt | dondelelcaro: yes, I know but 'apt-get install nmap' wants to install those and more "extras" |
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| 05:02.38 | dondelelcaro | jgalt: ah; I think I see the chain now. It's recommends which are pulling them in. You can ignore them for that install. |
| 05:02.58 | dondelelcaro | jgalt: apt-get --no-install-recommends install nmap; should do it |
| 05:04.44 | jgalt | dondelelcaro: can it be configured to not install recommends something seems screwy in some config file somewhere then! |
| 05:05.11 | dondelelcaro | jgalt: yes, it can; the underlying bug here is #682062 |
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| 05:05.21 | dondelelcaro | jgalt: but usually you actually want recommends installed |
| 05:06.24 | dondelelcaro | !apt-recommends |
| 05:06.24 | dpkg | APT installs recommended packages by default since Debian 5.0 "Lenny". To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. By not installing recommended packages, you miss the standard functionality they provide. <D-I> installs recommended packages by default. See <why recommends>. |
| 05:06.27 | dondelelcaro | jgalt: see above. |
| 05:06.36 | themill | jgalt: "Recommends" is just "someone thinks they are a good idea" is a "you really need these unless you know you don't". Think of them as breakable dependencies rather than the unbreakable Depends relationships. |
| 05:06.46 | themill | err... "isn't just" . *sigh* |
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| 05:07.33 | themill | (It'd be great if we called them something other than "recommends" but that's never going to change now) |
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| 05:09.03 | jgalt | dondelelcaro: I want recommends installed.... i.e. I want imagemagik and gnuplot which are not required as dependencies when I ask for nmap on as system already cramped for diskspace? what was someone thinking? if I want recommends I'll use --install-recommends (and I do often) |
| 05:09.36 | themill | jgalt: bugs in dependencies happen. That one is now fixed. |
| 05:09.39 | dondelelcaro | jgalt: it's just an unintended consequence, and a bug which was filed, and has already been fixed. |
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| 05:10.05 | dondelelcaro | jgalt: but if you don't want recommends by default, you can certainly do that. dpkg gave the recipe above. |
| 05:10.20 | jgalt | ok hadn't looked at the bug you referenced yet |
| 05:10.48 | dondelelcaro | in general, recommends should be doing sane things, and normally it does. |
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| 05:11.29 | petern_ | I tend to avoid recommends on my stripped down systems and servers, but not on desktops. |
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| 05:13.33 | jgalt | dondelelcaro: yes, just wish --install-recommends worked as intended and as it usually does with the default being not to install them as it increases (sometimes significantly) bloat. |
| 05:14.11 | jgalt | petern_: same here |
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| 05:16.08 | themill | jgalt: in what way does --install-recommends not work as intended? |
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| 05:18.33 | jgalt | themill: well apt-get is installing recommended packages aparently without being explicetly being asked to. if it's doing that then what is the point of --install-recommends. after-all it's not --install-suggests! |
| 05:19.47 | themill | jgalt: the intended behaviour is for packages listed in Recommends to be installed. As I said, they should be installed in all but very unusual situations. --install-recommends is there to allow you to override a configuration option that disables them just as --no-install-recommends is there to override a configuration option that enables them. |
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| 05:20.29 | themill | Just because you once found that installing the packages listed in Recommends was not what you wanted does not mean that not installing these packages all the time is the right thing to do. |
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| 05:22.05 | themill | What you found here was a packaging bug that was fixed. It was found and fixed. (basically, libraries shouldn't really recommend packages or you end up with icky unintended consequences) |
| 05:22.14 | jgalt | yes, exactly. so where are those config options? as I said earlier, " something seems screwy in some config file somewhere then!" |
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| 05:23.35 | dalias | themill, i disagree about recommends. i've found they're usually annoying and unnecessary bloat for tangential uses of the requested package |
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| 05:23.49 | dalias | had them disabled for the past 4-5 years with no problem |
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| 05:25.23 | petern_ | jgalt, the dpkg bot gave you the answer to that 20 minutes ago. |
| 05:25.51 | dgp | I dislike recommends that end up trying to install hundreds of other packages. Tools that can be used without X shouldn't recommend stuff that needs X IMHO |
| 05:28.49 | petern_ | Personally I look at the recommends to see what is listed, then I decide whether to install them or not. |
| 05:29.01 | jgalt | !why reccomends |
| 05:30.42 | jgalt | petern_: sorry, I missed that, thanks for pointing back to it. |
| 05:32.18 | jgalt | seems every other debian install I've worked with up to this one had it setup where --install recommends was explicitly required. |
| 05:32.38 | petern_ | The default was changed a while ago, before Squeeze I'm sure. |
| 05:33.36 | jgalt | hmm, I can say I like the old default much better, but I don't see it changing either. |
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| 05:35.37 | jgalt | I can remember --recommends being required on my squeeze installs and I'm just now using wheezy, moving to jessee when I can |
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| 05:37.41 | petern_ | Why testing? |
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| 05:40.10 | jgalt | petern_: testing is generally more current and stable enough for my needs and in this specific case it has libraries I need for a project prepackaged that aren't in stable and many of which have yet if ever to make it to stable backports. |
| 05:41.28 | jgalt | I generally run the current testing where I can, even in production. |
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| 05:43.21 | jgalt | ...just that specific platform images are not as readily available for testing. I need to put in some time and get to building them |
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| 06:07.48 | zerodrama | i have copied all my files but grub insists on loading the other drive's volume group |
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| 06:15.44 | salil_ | What package has the modprobe / insmod utilities? |
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| 06:17.06 | themill | kmod |
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| 06:17.47 | themill | (you'd be doing well not to already have it installed) |
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| 06:18.49 | salil_ | themill: You're right. Apparently it is installed, but I don't know why /sbin isn't there in $PATH. That's where this binary lies. Any idea? |
| 06:19.15 | themill | sbin shouldn't be in a user's path. |
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| 06:19.54 | salil_ | So how is one expected to execute stuff in /sbin? |
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| 06:21.18 | salil_ | http://roger.steneteg.org/453/sbin-missing-from-users-path-in-debian/ oh well |
| 06:21.31 | dgp | modprobe/insmod ain't going to work from a normal user |
| 06:22.03 | salil_ | dgp: Ah right. sudo insmod works just fine. |
| 06:22.07 | dgp | there is some stuff in /sbin/ that can run as a normal user like ifconfig but most of it is for root |
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| 06:29.51 | level7 | morning all.... if I have 3D accelleration enabled in my virtual box, Debian shows the "new menu'" with the new gnome3 interface while I would be happy to keep the "old drop down menu interface". Where should I say to Debian to use the old drop down menu instead of this "windows8 thing" ? |
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| 06:30.52 | formorer | level7: don't start full gnome3 then, but the fallback mode. |
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| 06:32.52 | level7 | how do I tell to Debian to start in the "full new gnome thing" instead of the old drop down menu? |
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| 06:35.26 | formorer | level7: in you display manager there should be a session option "fallback" or something like that. |
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| 06:42.31 | ElDiabolo | level7, There is a package gnome-shell-extensions. Most of the extensions are about getting gnome 2 functionality back. |
| 06:42.43 | formorer | (or use mate) |
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| 06:45.34 | ElDiabolo | level7, You will also need gnome-tweak-tool to enable those extensions. |
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| 07:14.57 | tyrant5447 | what happened? |
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| 07:19.03 | peetaur2 | why is /usr/lib/command-not-found the path for this binary? shouldn't it be in /usr/bin/ ? |
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| 07:21.04 | themill | peetaur2: /usr/bin is for things that people will run |
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| 07:22.48 | peetaur2 | am I not a person then? ;) |
| 07:23.29 | peetaur2 | in openSUSE, it's common to run it, and they even shortened it to cnf and put it in /usr/bin/cnf |
| 07:23.37 | peetaur2 | so I find the debian equivalent to be somewhat strange |
| 07:24.24 | themill | I have no idea why you'd run it manually |
| 07:25.26 | themill | (also, it does install /usr/bin/command-not-found) |
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| 07:42.29 | tyrant5447 | um, if we were chilln on the couch would all this talk mean, "their shooting at us through the windows?", because thats when i dip an slip ch ciao best of luc with that |
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| 07:48.13 | cYris21 | How do I set the background/foreground for XTerm? I've tried .Xdefaults and .Xresources both don't seem to work... |
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| 07:50.07 | SirLagz | xterm -fg green -bg black |
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| 07:51.25 | cYris21 | Should have mentioned "permantley" ;-) |
| 07:51.39 | cYris21 | *permanently |
| 07:51.49 | SirLagz | i made a shortcut to open xterm with those params lol |
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| 08:08.05 | nf7 | On occasion I will see the missing character box (instead of the actual symbol) on the web. How do I install all the missing languages? |
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| 08:09.24 | nf7 | for example: https://i.imgur.com/FTdaiqz.png |
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| 08:12.15 | squitta | Hi, somebody here? |
| 08:13.02 | SirLagz | squitta: no |
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| 08:13.12 | squitta | seeems to be like that. |
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| 08:13.40 | squitta | I need to know how to install gnome3 under jessie/testing |
| 08:13.48 | SirLagz | !jessie |
| 08:13.48 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>. |
| 08:13.49 | squitta | gdm3 I have allready |
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| 08:15.39 | squitta | as well as gnome-desktop-testing |
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| 08:16.17 | babilen | nf7: Install fonts that come with that glyph |
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| 08:17.03 | squitta | I guess I got it |
| 08:17.28 | squitta | Is this an indianapolis chat server with everybody in bed right now? |
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| 08:17.41 | SirLagz | I'm in Perth, Australia. |
| 08:17.51 | SirLagz | if that helps you gain any perspective :P |
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| 08:17.58 | squitta | Perth, did you know gemma ward in? |
| 08:17.58 | babilen | nf7: unifont might be of interest, but in the end it *really* depends on which languages you want. You need different fonts for, say, Chinese or Japanese. Hebrew or Amharic. Greek or Devanagari. |
| 08:18.09 | SirLagz | squitta: yep, went to the same school as her |
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| 08:18.16 | squitta | :) |
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| 08:18.42 | squitta | How is australia at the moment? |
| 08:18.52 | SirLagz | squitta: my side of Australia is cold. |
| 08:18.59 | SirLagz | Don't know about the east coast lol |
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| 08:19.15 | babilen | squitta: This is a technical support channel for Debian. If you are looking for a place to chat and socialise take it to #debian-offtopic please. |
| 08:19.25 | dgp | senses the offtopic channel being mentioned |
| 08:19.31 | SirLagz | dgp: too late :P |
| 08:20.20 | macrobat | squitta: you gave up on #debian-next so early |
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| 08:21.02 | squitta | yes I did |
| 08:21.23 | squitta | But now Im on freenode or? |
| 08:21.42 | PunIntended | squitta: You are on Freenode. |
| 08:21.58 | squitta | Thats clancious |
| 08:22.01 | squitta | g |
| 08:22.04 | squitta | *g* |
| 08:22.47 | PunIntended | My nick is somewhat abnormal, isn't it ? |
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| 08:23.12 | squitta | Isnt there a graphical package manager for debian, for easy package removal? |
| 08:23.15 | SirLagz | PunIntended: in what way ? |
| 08:23.17 | SirLagz | squitta: synaptic |
| 08:23.37 | SirLagz | squitta: or for a curses based gui, aptitude |
| 08:23.57 | tralala | that's more like tui |
| 08:24.13 | squitta | ok, thanks |
| 08:24.33 | macrobat | squitta: if you are on testing, you should really know how to manage packages and not rely on a clicky gui |
| 08:24.34 | SirLagz | tralala: meh, semantics :P |
| 08:25.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell squitta -about install gnome |
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| 08:25.29 | babilen | squitta: And you still want #debian-next for testing/unstable support. This is IRC, you have to be a *bit* patient. |
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| 08:26.31 | MY123 | squitta: You can have to wait hours because of timezones. |
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| 08:27.32 | dgp | didn't realise that all the useful people were in a different timezone |
| 08:27.57 | SirLagz | depends on your definition of `useful` :P |
| 08:28.32 | MY123 | dgp: And people work. They don't stay on IRC all the day . |
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| 08:28.44 | SirLagz | I'm on IRC *at* work :D |
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| 08:29.22 | MY123 | SirLagz: My company block IRC in the firewall. |
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| 08:29.29 | SirLagz | MY123: so do mine |
| 08:29.33 | MY123 | *blocks |
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| 08:29.37 | babilen | â #debian-offtopic please |
| 08:29.41 | SirLagz | sorry |
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| 08:30.09 | babilen | It's okay, but we *do* have an offtopic channel to ensure that we can concentrate on work and support in here. Please use it. |
| 08:30.35 | wald0 | i need to use a newer version of vim in wheezy, but there's no a debian-backport of it, is there a reason of why there's not an update in backports? |
| 08:30.53 | SirLagz | wald0: why do you need a newer version of vim ? |
| 08:31.00 | MY123 | What is the name of the release after Jessie ? |
| 08:31.06 | dgp | wald0: because noone has deemed it worth backporting |
| 08:31.10 | SirLagz | MY123: sid |
| 08:31.18 | wald0 | SirLagz: an important plugin requires a newer version |
| 08:31.21 | SirLagz | MY123: for now |
| 08:31.23 | SirLagz | wald0: ah I see |
| 08:31.26 | heurist | sid is not after jessie, sid is eternal |
| 08:31.59 | SirLagz | heurist: that's also true. |
| 08:32.08 | babilen | MY123: There is no name for the release after jessie yet. |
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| 08:32.21 | babilen | hopes for "Debian Zurg" or "Debian Troll" |
| 08:32.24 | tralala | wald0, you might be able to backport it yourself |
| 08:32.25 | tralala | dpkg, simple sid backport |
| 08:32.25 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 08:32.32 | SirLagz | babilen: haha. Debian LGM |
| 08:32.49 | wald0 | tralala: thats what im wondering... just giving it a try getting the deb-src from testing |
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| 08:34.26 | MY123 | Trying to port Debian to a platform with only an ANSI C compiler with a closed-source RTOS. |
| 08:34.28 | tralala | wald0, unless it really depends on a chain of libraries that are not in stable, it's relatively simple to do it. You might need to edit the dependencies a bit. |
| 08:34.47 | dgp | MY123: good luck with that |
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| 08:35.52 | MY123 | dgp: That platform is named : Broadcom VideoCore IV HW. |
| 08:35.53 | tralala | MY123, it sound like you have a project. I'd start with porting gcc if I were you. |
| 08:35.56 | tralala | sounds* |
| 08:35.59 | dgp | meant that in a sarcastic "that's impossible" way |
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| 08:36.28 | wald0 | seems like dependencies installed correctly, its compiling now :) lets see what does... |
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| 08:36.51 | MY123 | tralala: GCC... mangled stack frames and bad support. |
| 08:37.00 | dgp | tralala: if they haven't realised that "porting debian" to such a thing is basically impossible I'm not sure I have much hope for them doing a GCC port |
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| 08:37.51 | MY123 | dgp: There is an open-source C compiler. But ANSI only. |
| 08:37.58 | dgp | MY123: does it have an MMU? |
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| 08:38.14 | wald0 | checking Python's configuration directory... (cached) |
| 08:38.14 | wald0 | can't find it! |
| 08:38.14 | wald0 | configure: error: could not configure python |
| 08:38.17 | wald0 | :/ |
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| 08:38.55 | SirLagz | MY123: VC4 like the one they use in the Raspberry PI ? |
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| 08:39.08 | MY123 | SirLagz: Yes. |
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| 08:39.16 | SirLagz | MY123: so like Raspbian ? |
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| 08:39.31 | dgp | MY123: Raspian runs on the ARM core in the SoC |
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| 08:40.14 | SirLagz | MY123: or are you running it on the actual VC4 ? |
| 08:40.28 | MY123 | dgp: Knows that but the GpU core is general-purpose and Dual-Core. |
| 08:40.56 | MY123 | SirLagz: Stuck getting uCLinux to compile on the ACK. |
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| 08:41.04 | dgp | MY123: If you don't have an MMU then you'll have hard work getting anything that looks like debian running on it |
| 08:41.42 | MY123 | dgp: There is an undocumented MMU. Will reverse-enginneer it later. |
| 08:42.09 | MY123 | It haves 8MB pages ... |
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| 08:42.24 | dgp | If you can get Linux running on it your best bet is to use BusyBox has 90% of your userland.. but BusyBox's shell doesn't even work on NOMMU machines now |
| 08:42.33 | dgp | s/has/as/ |
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| 08:44.11 | MY123 | dgp: Stuck about compiling Linux with the ACK (the only available compiler). |
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| 08:44.30 | SirLagz | MY123: sounds fun. good lucky with that |
| 08:44.41 | dgp | MY123: how do you compile Linux for an arch that it doesn't even support |
| 08:45.46 | MY123 | dgp: Added a small drivers tree for mach-vc4 and timer / UART support. |
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| 08:46.27 | MY123 | GCC community is unhelpful about mangled stack frames for GCC for VC4. |
| 08:46.49 | SirLagz | MY123: out of curiosity, why are you trying to do that ? |
| 08:47.04 | dgp | MY123: My guess would be that they think you are insane |
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| 08:48.35 | MY123 | SirLagz: For curiosity , as my ARM boot from VC4 project. |
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| 08:48.44 | SirLagz | MY123: i see |
| 08:48.50 | OERIAS | Hallo. |
| 08:49.22 | SirLagz | hai |
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| 08:49.42 | MY123 | SirLagz: See the first experiment : https://github.com/freeblob/freeblob-arm |
| 08:49.42 | OERIAS | Sprache Deutsch? |
| 08:49.51 | SirLagz | English |
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| 08:50.10 | OERIAS | Well any way, has Unity been ported to Debian? Ja or Nein? |
| 08:50.33 | SirLagz | does apt-cache search unity bring up anything ? |
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| 08:50.39 | babilen | MY123: As interesting as this is, I really fail to see how this is related to Debian and, even more so, a specific support question. |
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| 08:50.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell OERIAS -about de |
| 08:51.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell OERIAS -about unity |
| 08:51.20 | OERIAS | babilen, I was just joking about the German, |
| 08:51.20 | SirLagz | dpkg: tell sirlagz -about unity |
| 08:51.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell SirLagz -about selftell |
| 08:51.43 | babilen | chuckles |
| 08:51.55 | SirLagz | babilen: oops. lol |
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| 08:53.46 | babilen | OERIAS: Dies ist wirklich nicht der richtige Ort für Witze und es erschlieÃt sich mir leider auch nicht wirklich warum die deutsche Sprache Anlass zu Erheiterung bieten sollte. Frage bitte in #debian.de wenn Du Hilfe auf Deutsch benötigst. Dies ist ein englischsprachiger Kanal. |
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| 08:54.41 | colo-work | WURST UND BIER, BITTE! |
| 08:55.18 | babilen | ... |
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| 08:55.48 | OERIAS | colo-work, try pfankuchen. |
| 08:55.50 | xparanoik | why do i need to use wheezy-backports in order to install haproxy 1.5? or has it been brought to stable already? |
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| 08:56.15 | colo-work | OERIAS, you mean "Pfannkuchen". they're actually called Palatschinken around here. |
| 08:56.37 | OERIAS | typo. Where are you from? |
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| 08:57.25 | OERIAS | Only grandfather says it like that. |
| 08:57.43 | babilen | colo-work, OERIAS: Please have the courtesy to accept that this is a support channel and that your failed attempt at humour is not on-topic here. |
| 08:58.06 | colo-work | babilen, sorry, we'll socialize elsewhere. |
| 08:58.07 | babilen | (nor is a discussion about the linguistic varieties of the German language) |
| 08:58.14 | colo-work | (why the bad mood though? :-( ) |
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| 08:58.59 | xparanoik | the world is a sad place, colo-work... just accept it |
| 08:59.22 | nkuttler | !tell xparanoik about stable |
| 08:59.36 | dgp | colo-work: when there isn't any "support" to do to make one feel great one must police the channel to make one feel great.. |
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| 09:00.23 | xparanoik | nkuttler so haproxy on stable is at 1.4? |
| 09:00.40 | nkuttler | ,v haproxy |
| 09:00.41 | judd | Package: haproxy on i386 -- squeeze: 1.4.8-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.4.8-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports-sloppy: 1.4.25-1~bpo60+1; wheezy-backports: 1.4.25-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.5.2-1; sid: 1.5.3-1 |
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| 09:00.59 | cynicallemon | xparanoik, looks like haproxy 1.5 versions are only in testing and unstable |
| 09:01.05 | xparanoik | got it. |
| 09:01.21 | nkuttler | xparanoik: not in stable at all |
| 09:01.51 | xparanoik | i just found odd that it's not in stable |
| 09:02.10 | nkuttler | xparanoik: you can check older bug reports if you really care |
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| 09:02.23 | nkuttler | could have been some release blocking bug i guess |
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| 09:02.33 | xparanoik | is that the reason? bugs or security? |
| 09:02.34 | xparanoik | okay |
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| 09:03.16 | babilen | dgp: That is really not appropriate and I would expect people seeking support in here to be grateful for what is being offered. I personally consider it to be very important that this channel is free of chatter which differentiates it from a plethora of other channels. On a more personal note: It is also not nice to hear such allegations despite the work one puts into maintaining this infrastructure. |
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| 09:03.25 | babilen | Ah, too late. |
| 09:03.25 | babilen | *shrug* |
| 09:03.36 | xparanoik | am i at risk of going into wheezy-backports and installing the latest release of branch 1.5? |
| 09:03.48 | cynicallemon | may be due to what haproxy 1.5 depends on too |
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| 09:04.02 | babilen | xparanoik: At risk of what? You might be tempted to, but that is nothing that just happens .. ;) |
| 09:04.21 | xparanoik | babilen at risk of opening up some vulnerability, or something alike |
| 09:04.28 | xparanoik | since it's not in stable |
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| 09:04.55 | nkuttler | xparanoik: backports are usualy very well maintained, but not tested by as many people |
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| 09:05.02 | nkuttler | so.. bug can creep in |
| 09:05.05 | babilen | xparanoik: There is no 1.5 in wheezy-backports so that option doesn't present itself. You can grab 1.4.25-1~bpo70+1 from there or attempt to backport 1.5.3-1 from sid yourself. |
| 09:05.06 | nkuttler | bugs even |
| 09:05.13 | babilen | judd: checkbackport haproxy |
| 09:05.14 | judd | Backporting package haproxy in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy. |
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| 09:05.38 | xparanoik | http://haproxy.debian.net/ |
| 09:05.54 | xparanoik | if you select debian, wheezy 7.6, 1.5 - it suggest you use wheezy-backports |
| 09:06.18 | babilen | Which is probably quite a straightforward process. Just follow <ssb> to do so -- /msg dpkg ssb -- but keep in mind that you are responsible for backporting newer versions that are uploaded to sid and to make sure that they integrate nicely into your running infrastructure. |
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| 09:06.54 | xparanoik | understood. |
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| 09:07.58 | xparanoik | if i follow the instructions on that website, i'll be waiting for whoever maintains the package backport to update to the newest release, is that right? |
| 09:08.34 | babilen | xparanoik: Debian, naturally, doesn't support the third-party repository mentioned on http://haproxy.debian.net/, but using those packages might be considered advantageous to maintaining the backport yourself. |
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| 09:09.07 | xparanoik | ok |
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| 09:09.39 | babilen | xparanoik: Having said that the maintainer responsible for that repo is also part of the haproxy maintainer team, so they can be considered "semi-official". |
| 09:10.14 | babilen | Well, no, that's not true at all. What I meant was rather: You can expect a certain quality. :) |
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| 09:11.04 | olivier_bK | i try to remove more than 1.000.000 file but i cant all the time i get to many files |
| 09:11.15 | olivier_bK | find . -type f -maxdepth 1 -iname *api_v3_post* |xargs -0 rm |
| 09:11.24 | olivier_bK | do you have an idea ? |
| 09:11.38 | LIERO | is there an application I can use to switch between languages... |
| 09:11.45 | xparanoik | babilen thank you |
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| 09:12.00 | LIERO | i have to do it all the time |
| 09:12.09 | babilen | olivier_bK: Don't use xargs, but "find .... -delete" |
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| 09:12.33 | babilen | LIERO: Are you referring to keyboard mappings? |
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| 09:12.43 | peetaur2 | olivier_bK: don't use xargs... just use -exec with find. |
| 09:12.56 | LIERO | babilen yeah |
| 09:12.57 | peetaur2 | olivier_bK: or -delete if that does all you need |
| 09:13.04 | olivier_bK | peetaur2, i ve already try |
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| 09:13.15 | olivier_bK | that's doesn't work |
| 09:13.36 | peetaur2 | olivier_bK: what command did you use and what was the result? "doesn't work" is never a good description |
| 09:13.44 | heurist | olivier_bK: narrow the range of the search and do it a few chunks |
| 09:13.56 | olivier_bK | to long |
| 09:14.05 | babilen | LIERO: Take a look at ibus which offers a variety of input methods and is probably already in use on your system. You can switch between input methods with ALT-SHIFT, but that can be configured in "ibus-setup" |
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| 09:14.20 | olivier_bK | find . -type f -iname *api_v3_post* -delete |
| 09:14.20 | olivier_bK | -bash: /usr/bin/find: the lift is to long |
| 09:14.30 | babilen | olivier_bK: Use "-delete" |
| 09:14.32 | babilen | 8sigh* |
| 09:14.33 | LIERO | okay, thanks |
| 09:14.42 | peetaur2 | lift? |
| 09:14.46 | olivier_bK | list |
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| 09:14.55 | olivier_bK | sorry for the traduction |
| 09:14.58 | peetaur2 | olivier_bK: put your "*api_v3_post*" in quotes so the shell doesn't interpret it |
| 09:15.06 | Deele | do you know any reliable debian package that allows to edit image exif data? |
| 09:15.23 | olivier_bK | ok$ |
| 09:15.46 | babilen | olivier_bK: You shouldn't only provide us with the exact error message, but also the exact command you used. There is a huge difference in various -exec incantations. Having said that: You want "-delete". |
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| 09:16.04 | olivier_bK | peetaur2, that work |
| 09:16.08 | olivier_bK | thanks a lot men !! |
| 09:16.25 | peetaur2 | olivier_bK: great! no prob. |
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| 09:21.11 | MY123 | Is there a #debian-ports channel somewhere ? |
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| 09:23.52 | Deele | Please, suggest me. I want to edit EXIF data of image, what approach will be better: 1) get debian package that does that for me and write class that sends command line commands and does writing for me; 2) use PHP "PEL" library (looks old and too much code) , that has this feature; 3) Write my own PHP exif data editor, that works with image bits (if that takes less than 200 lines of code); |
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| 09:27.01 | babilen | Deele: "apt-cache search exif" brings up exiv2, phatch-cli and a couple of others. |
| 09:28.50 | babilen | libimage-exiftool-perl also and imagemagick is quite a nice tool for anything "image", but I have no idea about its EXIF capabilities. I am sure that a search for "write exif linux" yields some results too. |
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| 09:38.03 | geekboy68k | trololo |
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| 09:38.09 | geekboy68k | hi guys |
| 09:38.10 | geekboy68k | need some help |
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| 09:38.42 | geekboy68k | i'm trying to untar some package |
| 09:38.44 | geekboy68k | but it sucks |
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| 09:38.46 | geekboy68k | root@vps84693:~# tar xf maradns-2.0.09.tar.bz2 |
| 09:38.48 | geekboy68k | tar (child): lbzip2: Nie można exec: Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu |
| 09:38.49 | babilen | dpkg: enter |
| 09:38.49 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:38.50 | geekboy68k | tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 09:38.51 | geekboy68k | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 09:38.52 | geekboy68k | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 09:38.55 | geekboy68k | why? |
| 09:39.00 | formorer | geekboy68k: there is a z missing. |
| 09:39.17 | formorer | (and a j depending on your tar version) |
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| 09:39.59 | babilen | geekboy68k: You might be interested in scripts such as "aunpack" that come with atool and which allow you to extract *any* archive with a single command. |
| 09:40.30 | formorer | I prefer unp |
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| 09:42.54 | geekboy68k | aunpack sound great |
| 09:43.16 | geekboy68k | but i have to do that using tar, it's my task |
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| 09:43.34 | formorer | geekboy68k: as said. you are missing several tar parameters. |
| 09:43.50 | babilen | formorer: unp is great too and I use both, but aunpack creates directories if faced with archives that have no top-level directory |
| 09:43.50 | formorer | xf only extracts a tar archive. but you have a compressed tar archive. |
| 09:44.02 | geekboy68k | i've tried a lot of those parameters combinations |
| 09:44.05 | geekboy68k | but it still sucks |
| 09:44.07 | babilen | geekboy68k: And we also don't provide homework solutions |
| 09:44.23 | pcre | I'm missing package »encfs« @ debian Jessy. |
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| 09:44.35 | geekboy68k | is it any possibility to "detec" missing parameters? |
| 09:44.39 | babilen | geekboy68k: Read "man tar" and learn how to use tar. (that is the goal of that exercise after all) |
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| 09:45.47 | babilen | pcre: Yeah, package removals are a common occurrence in testing and you can easily pull it from unstable. This is one of the reasons why I don't consider tracking a "testing only" system to be feasible. See <tum> for details on how to configure that -- /msg dpkg tum |
| 09:47.08 | pcre | babilen: ok |
| 09:47.40 | babilen | pcre: We also have a dedicated channel (#debian-next) on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) for testing/unstable support that you might want to join :) |
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| 09:49.06 | geekboy68k | omg |
| 09:49.20 | geekboy68k | i will get mad |
| 09:49.26 | pcre | geekboy68k: why not use bunzip first. |
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| 09:49.39 | pcre | geekboy68k: bunzip maradns-2.0.09.tar.bz2 |
| 09:49.48 | formorer | it would better to learn tar. |
| 09:50.13 | babilen | geekboy68k: Please read the tar manpage. It is, essentially, what you've been asked to do. Once you've done that it shouldn't be a problem for you anymore to unpack a variety of tar archives. |
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| 09:55.45 | geekboy68k | ! |
| 09:55.48 | taylanub | There's a package "libgcrypt11". Is this supposed to provide libgcrypt for general usage? Because it doesn't install a plain .so symlink, only .so.11. There doesn't seem to be another libgcrypt package... |
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| 09:56.10 | geekboy68k | i better get back to OSX :X |
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| 09:59.12 | Lope | what is the purpose of gid 12 here? tmpfs /var/spool/mqueue tmpfs defaults,noatime,nosuid,mode=0700,gid=12,size=30m 0 0 when I look at my /etc/passwd file the only thing with a number 12 is the man user (for manuals I presume /var/cache/man) |
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| 09:59.53 | petern_ | Lope, gids are in /etc/group, not /etc/passwd |
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| 10:00.16 | MY123 | Lope: /etc/group |
| 10:00.34 | petern_ | Mind you, I don't have a /var/spool/mqueue. |
| 10:00.50 | taylanub | oh wow, the plain .so is provided by the -dev package O_o why the heck .. |
| 10:00.57 | Lope | good point, but it's still the man group. |
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| 10:03.03 | semy | Hi, anyone knows of any good centralized package-version software? System to keep track of multiple servers and what version of packages they got installed? Plan is to run it on a mgmt-server to keep track of all other servers package-versions etc. |
| 10:03.41 | Lope | Ok I don't even have an mqueue, so I didn't bother. |
| 10:04.02 | petern_ | Lope, where did that line come from then? |
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| 10:04.34 | Lope | http://www.zdnet.com/raspberry-pi-extending-the-life-of-the-sd-card-7000025556/ |
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| 10:05.24 | petern_ | See, that's the problem with guides like that. They haven't realised that gid=12 in specific to their system./ |
| 10:05.47 | petern_ | (And also putting a mail queue in tmpfs seems a good way to lose mail) |
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| 10:06.02 | taylanub | what's the reason Debian puts .so symlinks in -dev packages? saving a couple bytes on the FS? (literally no more than a dozen or two bytes usually) |
| 10:06.25 | petern_ | taylanub, what package? |
| 10:06.55 | taylanub | petern_: libgcrypt11 vs. libgcrypt11-dev; only the latter includes a .so symlink to the .so.11 |
| 10:07.40 | themill | the -dev package contains more than that |
| 10:07.50 | taylanub | yes but why put the .so symlink there |
| 10:08.27 | themill | taylanub: the unversioned .so is only needed when compiling. The -dev package is used for compiling. |
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| 10:09.53 | taylanub | I actually have a program here that needs only the .so, without headers, so the -dev package is redundant except for the symlink |
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| 10:11.37 | themill | A program shouldn't be linking to an unversioned symlink. |
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| 10:17.09 | taylanub | it uses libltdl (a portability wrapper for dlopen() and analogous APIs of other platforms); this doesn't seem to support specifying a version; one is supposed to omit even the .so |
| 10:17.14 | donofrio | anyone know why jessie will not load full desktop, only can move mouse pointer in X11 no login no desktop - http://paste.debian.net/111553/ |
| 10:17.49 | taylanub | I'll ask the devs of the program though (guix/guile; while building guix it tests for libgcrypt's existence by running '(dynamic-link "libgcrypt")' with Guile) |
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| 10:21.02 | halma | hi all |
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| 10:21.17 | halma | how can i see that in diskimage is sparse or full ? |
| 10:21.44 | halma | *how can i see if it is an sparse or full diskimage ? |
| 10:23.03 | heurist | halma: you can try du -h file and see how big it really is. |
| 10:23.27 | taylanub | themill: if one should generally not be linking to an unversioned .so, why is it provided at all? |
| 10:23.30 | halma | i have an 10GB file but the size with du -m tell me 1018m |
| 10:23.44 | halma | cause i created with xen-tools an FULL diskimage |
| 10:23.49 | halma | thats why i m askin |
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| 10:25.51 | halma | only the filesize can tell you if its an sparse or full diskimage ?? is there an direct way to check what really the file is ? |
| 10:26.32 | heurist | halma: xen may have such tools, but I can not comment on that. |
| 10:26.55 | halma | yeah thats why id like to know how to check the file if its sparse or full |
| 10:27.03 | halma | i did find any answer on google |
| 10:28.39 | heurist | halma: well a 1G file for a 10G image is sparse, not sure what xen is doing, they may use different terminology. does xen have a channel you can ask? |
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| 10:29.44 | MY123 | halma: It may be compressed .What does return file ? |
| 10:29.49 | halma | i did not found an channel an i posted since yesterday 4 messages onto the mailling list but no reply till now |
| 10:30.26 | halma | @my123 what do you mean with "return file" ? |
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| 10:31.09 | MY123 | halma: what does return the command file lll.img ? |
| 10:31.21 | heurist | halma: yesterday was sunday, seams a bit impatient to be expecting a reply on those timelines. |
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| 10:31.32 | halma | disk.img: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data, UUID=638685a3-c0e0-496e-af77-829cf17f68fd (large files) |
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| 10:33.20 | heurist | halma: that does not sound like it is compressed. try creating another "full" image and see what size it is before you mkfs it. |
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| 10:33.31 | MY123 | halma: mount -o loop -t ext3 disk.img any/temp/empty/dir |
| 10:33.38 | heurist | halma: maybe read the xen docs on what they mean by "full" |
| 10:34.02 | MY123 | View if there is your data and DF . |
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| 10:36.16 | halma | if i try to create an full image with "dd" or an "sparse" image with dd there is no problem all seems fine but only if i try with the xen-tools it kicks me back to "seems sparse" but the crazy thing is i tried to create an 80GB filesize diskimage in full mode, df shows me the coreect disk space using till 99% is done bt then at 100% it jumps back to 1018m .. this drives me crazy |
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| 10:37.28 | halma | is there no command to see what exactly the diskiamge is for an file , sparse or full ? |
| 10:37.32 | heurist | halma: that is how sparse works, sparse is nice. maybe use sparse. |
| 10:38.28 | halma | i got an idea .. let me try to fill the diskimage with zero till its full and then i will check with "df" again .. hold on some seconds |
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| 10:39.46 | colo-work | is there a script buried somewhere in Debian's massive archives that will conveniently wrap block-level backup operations of LVM LVs? |
| 10:41.03 | colo-work | (creating a snapshot, dump snapshot to file, remove snapshot, etc.) |
| 10:42.21 | heurist | colo-work: that is a simple script, maybe just write it yourself. though there is proably stuff like that. |
| 10:42.29 | colo-work | ,v rss2email |
| 10:42.31 | judd | Package: rss2email on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.65-1; wheezy: 1:2.71-1; jessie: 1:3.8-1; sid: 1:3.8-1 |
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| 10:43.19 | colo-work | heurist, I know it is, but there's so much OPTIONAL stuff you can do before and after dumping, I'd besurprised if noone had yet created the eierlegende wollmilchsau to make that all happen with a few configuration statements |
| 10:44.27 | heurist | colo-work: it is precisely that optional stuff that makes you need to do it yourself, only you know the options you need. |
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| 10:45.28 | pcre | I used to use bsd dump to save a partion. |
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| 10:46.37 | rmzelnick | can I mix aptitude & apt-get? |
| 10:47.14 | heurist | rmzelnick: you can, it is pretty safe these days. |
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| 10:54.08 | ThoMe | hiho |
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| 10:54.32 | ThoMe | i would like all messages from the programm "postgres" logging to the specfic log file |
| 10:54.36 | ThoMe | like if ($programname == 'postgres' ) then /var/log/postgresql/custom.log (rsyslog) |
| 10:54.50 | ThoMe | how i can disable all message to the log /var/log/syslog? |
| 10:55.47 | jolt | ThoMe: Sounds like a bad idea, but I guess you can comment out the line from /etc/rsyslog.conf |
| 10:56.17 | ThoMe | jolt: bad? why? |
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| 10:56.41 | jolt | ThoMe: The logs are there for a reason, to be able to troubleshoot stuff that you have not forseen yet. |
| 10:57.16 | jolt | ThoMe: If they take up a lot of space, then you probabl want to compress them more often, or change the log level from the programs that log to it. But that just my opinion |
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| 10:58.32 | ThoMe | jolt: yes, i use logrotate |
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| 11:00.28 | jusss | hi,all |
| 11:01.24 | jusss | "screen" is in which package ? |
| 11:01.56 | jolt | jusss: "screen" |
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| 11:02.43 | jusss | jolt: "couldn't find package screen. " |
| 11:02.44 | ricepooding | jusss, consider tmux |
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| 11:02.58 | jusss | jolt: debian 7.6 |
| 11:03.06 | ricepooding | jusss, apt-get update |
| 11:03.11 | jolt | jusss: packages.debian.org for searching. The issue you have is probaably that it is not listed in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:03.21 | jolt | jusss: ..and what ricepooding said |
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| 11:05.04 | jusss | ricepooding: still couldn't find it |
| 11:05.14 | jusss | after apt-get update |
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| 11:06.14 | ricepooding | jusss, paste the contents of cat /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net and i'll have a look |
| 11:07.41 | jusss | ricepooding: just two lines, deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main deb-src http:/security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
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| 11:07.57 | jusss | is there wrong ? |
| 11:08.02 | ricepooding | jusss, probably... |
| 11:08.32 | ricepooding | jusss, add deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main |
| 11:08.49 | jusss | ricepooding: i will try |
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| 11:09.07 | ricepooding | jusss, just put it at the bottom, do an apt-get update then try getting screen again |
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| 11:17.55 | jusss | ricepooding: i found it |
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| 11:19.05 | jusss | ricepooding: but why to find it in http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main ? |
| 11:19.30 | jusss | s/to/not to |
| 11:19.57 | jusss | my english is poor,sorry |
| 11:19.57 | heurist | jusss: those only contain security updates |
| 11:20.37 | jusss | heurist: i see, thx |
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| 12:02.23 | jopi | Greets |
| 12:02.25 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 12:02.34 | jopi | Any italian around with a good heart can help me for a minute? |
| 12:02.55 | cebuano | what package should i install, if the error is " cannot execute binary file " |
| 12:03.11 | shingouz | !it |
| 12:03.11 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:03.30 | nido | cebuano: are you by chance trying to execute a 32bit executable on a 64bit platform? |
| 12:04.05 | cebuano | ohh f* maybe thats the reason my file is 64bit and i execute it on 32bit. |
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| 12:04.21 | cebuano | nido, any advice to make it compatible? |
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| 12:05.06 | jopi | dpkg: thanks |
| 12:05.06 | dpkg | my pleasure, jopi |
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| 12:05.52 | cebuano | I currently have VPS i ddnt run it on my machine, how can i figure out if its 32bit or 64bit. |
| 12:06.09 | jopi | cebuano: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:06.32 | cebuano | any chance running 64bit file into 32bit? |
| 12:06.50 | jopi | cebuano: not a chance |
| 12:06.50 | heurist | cebuano: uname -m |
| 12:07.04 | jopi | cebuano: that´s not possible, the opposite is |
| 12:08.00 | heurist | cebuano: you would need to set up a 64bit emulator, and install a 64bit linux in it, and it will be slow. |
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| 12:08.49 | cebuano | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz |
| 12:08.49 | cebuano | clflush size : 64 |
| 12:08.49 | cebuano | cache_alignment : 64 |
| 12:08.50 | cebuano | address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual |
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| 12:09.03 | cebuano | oop's sorry |
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| 12:11.19 | amireldor | dpkg just told me how to say cow in danish. I'm thrilled. |
| 12:11.19 | dpkg | no idea, amireldor |
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| 12:14.05 | cebuano | i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz will slow? bt okay i'll try to install on it. |
| 12:14.34 | jopi | cebuano: do you realize, that you would have to install a full environment just to run your executable? |
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| 12:14.46 | buckfast | hi |
| 12:14.50 | jopi | cebuano: wouldn´t it be easier for you to get a 32bit version? |
| 12:14.53 | jopi | buckfast: hi |
| 12:15.00 | buckfast | I'm getting high system load even though I am not running any programs |
| 12:15.09 | heurist | cebuano: or get a 64 bit os installed? |
| 12:15.29 | buckfast | running debian stable (64bit) with kde desktop |
| 12:15.33 | jopi | buckfast: run "top", "free", "sar" and/or "iostat" |
| 12:16.05 | heurist | buckfast: atop is nice too as it shows cpu, disk and network. |
| 12:16.12 | cebuano | heurist i just need a file to run a file and the error says cannot run binary file |
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| 12:16.45 | heurist | cebuano: you say the file is 64bit, but your os is 32bit, that will not work, find another solution. |
| 12:17.20 | heurist | cebuano: and by "run a file" you mean a program right? |
| 12:17.31 | banjo | no problem. i installed debian ia64 iso on amd64:) |
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| 12:18.25 | buckfast | seems the main hoggers are polkitd and plasma-desktop |
| 12:18.26 | cebuano | heurist yep its a program ./filename |
| 12:18.45 | buckfast | it happened just after I plugged in the power cord (was running on battery before) |
| 12:19.05 | heurist | cebuano: you can not run 64bit software on 32bit OS. |
| 12:19.30 | cebuano | heurist, it's a dedicated server , im not running it here on my machine. |
| 12:19.43 | cebuano | I thnk i should contact the hosting admin. |
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| 12:20.01 | heurist | cebuano: or get a 32bit version of that program. |
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| 12:21.52 | cebuano | heurist are you a staff in here bro? :) |
| 12:22.16 | heurist | cebuano: just a lowley volunteer bot. |
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| 12:22.50 | buckfast | also, one more thing, is there a package similar to hpfall in debian repositories (stops hdd activity if a fall is detected)? I couldn't find any |
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| 12:24.46 | elie2009_ | salut tout le monde quelqu'un parle français ? pour m'aider un svp |
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| 12:26.24 | Metaleer | elie2009_: Salut. #debianfr |
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| 12:27.21 | elie2009_ | ok merci Metaleer |
| 12:27.27 | Metaleer | De rien. |
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| 12:32.43 | menace | hi, debian-prerm-scripts will be executed on remove and purge, wont they? |
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| 12:33.51 | themill | menace: prerm is only executed on remove, not on purge. |
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| 12:44.27 | xecycle | In /etc/network/interfaces, how do I disable DNS and gateway for one dhcp interface? I have two interfaces configured by dhcp, but one of them reports incorrect DNS and gateway which I would like to ignore. |
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| 12:47.09 | OpenTokix | xecycle: how is it wrong? - wont both interfaces set a default gw? |
| 12:49.07 | xecycle | OpenTokix: Well I don't know exactly about gateway; but one of them reports an incorrect DNS server, and it seems random which one was written to /etc/resolv.conf. |
| 12:49.48 | xecycle | OpenTokix: I'm also seeking to solve it on the other side; maybe I don't need it here, if the network can be fixed. |
| 12:50.02 | OpenTokix | xecycle: just remove resolvconf and define it manually in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 12:53.02 | xecycle | OpenTokix: Huh, I managed to fix the network. Now I don't need it here; thank you anyway. |
| 12:53.07 | pablo | hi guys, is there a way to make apt run a script before I install a certain package, maybe with an apt hook |
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| 13:00.49 | kcccccc | Hi, I'm trying to forward ports from router to NAS that is running Debian. Configured sshd to accept all IPs using "ListenAddress ::" and "ListenAddress 0.0.0.0". When scanning ports of the NAS using nmap, :22 is listened. But when scanning ports of the public ipv6 address using nmap only port :111 is open. Any idea why this could be? |
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| 13:01.02 | kcccccc | trying to forward :22 for ssh to NAS |
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| 13:01.38 | kcccccc | I used this: nmap -6 -v -sT 2a02:8070:d194:2900:222:faff:feeb:5ffc |
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| 13:03.26 | Brigo | kcccccc, for what did you use that nmap command? |
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| 13:08.33 | stmiller | kcccccc can you ssh to your NAS locally - from same network? Do that first to verify SSH is working. Then next look at your router's config. |
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| 13:10.34 | XYZAFFA1R | I think I broke my apt, I tried to install something from jessie on stable, and then realised it's going to break everything so I cancled it, (ctrl c) and now I cant install anything so I tried to just upgrade to jessie but it failed, and now apt is broken, what do I do? |
| 13:11.59 | ricepooding | XYZAFFA1R, how is it broken...? |
| 13:12.33 | XYZAFFA1R | ricepooding, I don't know but any time I use it or aptitude what ever I'm doing fails. |
| 13:12.45 | ricepooding | XYZAFFA1R, error msg?> |
| 13:13.06 | XYZAFFA1R | Here, I'll try and install audacity and give you the stuff. |
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| 13:13.17 | XYZAFFA1R | Because I have been trying to install that. |
| 13:13.48 | kcccccc1 | stmiller: yes I can ssh locally |
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| 13:14.14 | ricepooding | XYZAFFA1R, use paste.debian.net |
| 13:14.42 | kcccccc1 | stmiller: router is configured to forward port :22 to local ipv4 address of NAS. But the problem is that the public ip is ipv6, and it seems to be problem in forwarding :22 ipv6 to ipv4 (of NAS) ? |
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| 13:15.00 | menace | themill: but does not apt-get purge contain apt-get remove? |
| 13:15.05 | XYZAFFA1R | ricepooding, I'm aware, http://paste.debian.net/112174/ |
| 13:15.11 | mrEriksson | Hey guys, quick question, does anyone know if the full set of tools to monitor Dell servers is available when running Debian? (I mostly need to know if the hardware is OK so that we don't get any unplessant surprises) |
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| 13:15.54 | mrEriksson | From what I can tell, Dells official support doesn't stretch much further than SLE/Redhat |
| 13:15.55 | themill | menace: remove and purge are separate operations; you cannot purge a package that is not yet removed. |
| 13:16.18 | kcccccc1 | stmiller: Do I have to switch on ipv6 with the NAS ? |
| 13:16.24 | themill | menace: (hence, apt will cause the package to be removed first if you ask for it to be purged) |
| 13:17.55 | stmiller | kcccccc1 forwarding v6 to v4 sounds pretty complicated. You would have to run a special 6to4 setup to achieve this. I would try to find another solution - or best, just native ipv6 to that NAS. yeah. |
| 13:18.08 | menace | okay, but apt-get purge will first take the action remove and THEN purge. and in the remove-action, prerm is executed, isn't it? |
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| 13:18.48 | heurist | menace: is apt-get purge valid? you may be thinking about aptitude. apt-get --purge remove is not the same. |
| 13:18.58 | menace | eh, yes |
| 13:19.01 | menace | aptitude purge |
| 13:19.05 | themill | or apt-get |
| 13:19.09 | heurist | menace: that will also remove. |
| 13:19.12 | themill | menace: yes, prerm is executed as part of the remove step not the purge step. So if a package is already removed and you run apt-get purge, the prerm will not be run. |
| 13:19.16 | kcccccc1 | stmiller: But the config of the proprietary router seems to support only forwarding to ipv4 ...... :( |
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| 13:19.34 | XYZAFFA1R | ricepooding, when I went to do apt-get dist-upgrade while upgrading to Jessie It failed, should I try that again and give you the errors? |
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| 13:20.38 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: don't do jessie. maybe try aptitude and see if you can not fix the issue in the tui. |
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| 13:22.29 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, I'm trying that although I have never used it and I have no idea what I just did. |
| 13:22.53 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, Well I got an error |
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| 13:24.09 | kcccccc1 | gotta go... sry |
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| 13:24.48 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: and that error is? |
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| 13:25.01 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, Sorry, I was in the middle of pasting it: http://paste.debian.net/112176/ |
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| 13:25.55 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: when did that error happen? |
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| 13:26.24 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, When I believe I was trying to upgrade packages in the aptitude menu. |
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| 13:26.45 | amireldor | I got an old USB/PCI adapter but I don't see the devices I connect to it with lsusb, some directions? |
| 13:26.48 | tron | whats the significance of debian-keyring in the context of secure-apt? is it required for anything? |
| 13:27.03 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: it does say that files are locked, are you running aptitude twice? |
| 13:27.05 | themill | tron: no, apt only uses debian-archive-keyring |
| 13:27.10 | tron | thanks |
| 13:27.17 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, No |
| 13:28.01 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: not sure I believe you "/var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process" says otherwise. |
| 13:28.17 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: can you see broken packages in the aptitude interface? |
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| 13:29.10 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, I don't know where to find them there, but I'm pretty sure that I may have a few |
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| 13:29.46 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: look around in the aptitude UI. |
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| 13:31.44 | XYZAFFA1R | http://imgur.com/e9PWf7D |
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| 13:31.53 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, above imgur link |
| 13:32.34 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: have you left jessie in your sources.list? |
| 13:33.03 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, Well I didnt change it back after attempting to update. |
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| 13:33.33 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: and apt-get update d it? |
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| 13:34.12 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist when I run apt-get dist-upgrade it fails. |
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| 13:34.27 | XYZAFFA1R | Should I try again and give you the error? |
| 13:34.41 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: that is not what I said. update is not upgrade is not dist-upgrade |
| 13:35.14 | XYZAFFA1R | ohhh, ok |
| 13:35.25 | XYZAFFA1R | so run apt-get update d? |
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| 13:35.58 | XYZAFFA1R | Ah no d |
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| 13:36.05 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: without the d, that was me being clever about past tense, sorry |
| 13:36.21 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, Yeah I see that thank you. |
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| 13:38.55 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, Error when running update: http://paste.debian.net/112177/ |
| 13:39.07 | XYZAFFA1R | Maybe I should take out the old backport things? |
| 13:39.15 | XYZAFFA1R | Probably won't need them. |
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| 13:42.26 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: testing is jessie, remove all jessie. |
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| 13:42.58 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist What do you mean remove all jessie? |
| 13:43.33 | amireldor | lsusb gives me the four hardware ports installed as a pci card on my debian machine; how to see if a device was connected? |
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| 13:44.17 | petern_ | If a device was connected, it would also be listed. |
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| 13:44.45 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: your last pastbin was failure to get testing-backports, testing is jessie, you are trying to remove jessie, remove all references to jessie or testing from sources.list. |
| 13:45.23 | amireldor | petern_, even if it's a so-called USB multiplexer? |
| 13:45.56 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, Ok, I removed backports and I'm updating again. |
| 13:46.00 | XYZAFFA1R | Done |
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| 13:46.04 | petern_ | Is that different to a hub? |
| 13:46.05 | XYZAFFA1R | It was succesful. |
| 13:46.14 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: cool |
| 13:46.43 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, Thats the first successful anything with apt in the past few days. |
| 13:47.04 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, Should I try dist upgrade now? |
| 13:47.10 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: well you want to play with jessie, you get broken systems. (: |
| 13:47.20 | amireldor | petern_, I have no idea. I'm reading stuff on the WWW for now. thanks |
| 13:47.24 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: pastbin your sources.list |
| 13:47.30 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, I want steam :( |
| 13:48.07 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, http://paste.debian.net/112178/ |
| 13:48.15 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: ok, then you are asking for pain. |
| 13:48.16 | XYZAFFA1R | Oops, has wheezy stuff at the top |
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| 13:48.57 | heurist | dpkg: tell XYZAFFA1R about debian-next |
| 13:49.17 | heurist | dpkg: tell XYZAFFA1R about frankendebian |
| 13:49.55 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, I'm fine with a broken system, but I would like my broken system to include steam |
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| 13:50.16 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, So is the sources.list all good for dist upgrade? |
| 13:50.32 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: then try your dist-upgrade, you may need to take your support request to debian-next though. |
| 13:50.49 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, Ok, whats the channel? |
| 13:50.58 | heurist | dpkg: tell XYZAFFA1R about debian-next |
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| 13:51.14 | XYZAFFA1R | Oh, I see he PMs me |
| 13:51.29 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: he is an it. |
| 13:51.36 | XYZAFFA1R | I know |
| 13:51.40 | XYZAFFA1R | It's a bot |
| 13:51.57 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: you hurt it feelings when you call it a he. |
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| 13:52.10 | srsben | hahah... so... libelf-freebsd-dev is LOLBROKEN |
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| 13:53.42 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, Is dpkg fun like phrik? |
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| 13:54.06 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: I doubt it. |
| 13:54.25 | srsben | It's not at all fun in that way. |
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| 13:55.57 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, Well I'm taking my failed dist upgrade to next, thank you for your help |
| 13:56.12 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: did it fail again? |
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| 13:56.22 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, Yes |
| 13:56.40 | XYZAFFA1R | heurist, Also #debian-next is invite only |
| 13:56.42 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: well, good luck to you. |
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| 13:56.56 | heurist | XYZAFFA1R: it is on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:56.56 | jelly-home | XYZAFFA1R: it's on irc.oftc.net, not here on freenode. |
| 13:57.01 | XYZAFFA1R | Oh, ok |
| 13:57.12 | XYZAFFA1R | Thanks |
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| 14:03.20 | sunson | wonders if the magic to neat deployment solutions lies in DebConf |
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| 14:09.17 | tron | our nouveau doesn't support vdpau? |
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| 14:12.30 | musca | !vdpau |
| 14:12.30 | dpkg | VDPAU (Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix) is an <API> and open source library, providing accelerated video playback by offloading video decoding/post-processing to the <GPU>. The Nvidia VDPAU driver is packaged for Debian, the <nvidia> proprietary driver is required for its use. VDPAU is supported on the GeForce 8 series and later, excluding G80-based 8800 devices. For AMD Radeon support, ask me about <uvd>. See also <vaapi>. |
| 14:12.47 | musca | tron: it seems so, yes. |
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| 14:13.37 | tron | you can build nouveau with vdpau support, im just wondering if it just packages some part of the proprietary driver and then becomes nonfree, or if it actually has free code for it |
| 14:14.00 | tron | if its the former, i wont bother |
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| 14:14.36 | Megaf | Hi everyone |
| 14:14.57 | Megaf | can we speak about NUMA here? |
| 14:15.29 | tron | ok, its the nonfree part |
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| 14:21.12 | Vide | hello, is there a way to renew the dhcp lease manually but obeying the post-up/post-down commands in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 14:21.34 | Vide | I have some routing rules there and they are lost if I issue a simple dhclient command |
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| 14:21.48 | Rukh | hi |
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| 14:27.11 | telmac_ | I'm getting an error I don't understand |
| 14:27.16 | telmac_ | probably due to ignorance |
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| 14:28.04 | telmac_ | while running apt-get -f install, I get http://pastebin.com/7aWgWL05 |
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| 14:28.37 | telmac_ | and apt quits, complaining about dpkg having returned an error |
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| 14:30.47 | abrotman | telmac_: it wants to use a program that doesn't seem to exist |
| 14:30.55 | heurist | telmac_: what did you do? sounds like you tried to install comix without letting it install the needed dependancies? |
| 14:31.10 | Gerben | telmac_, looks like a bug in that deb package (bug in prerm script) |
| 14:31.16 | Gerben | or that.. |
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| 14:32.08 | telmac_ | I don't even remember having installed comix |
| 14:32.23 | telmac_ | judging by the name, I assume it's some sort of comic book reader? |
| 14:32.26 | heurist | telmac_: tru apt-get install comix again, what does that say? unless you do not want comix, then apt-get --purge remove comix. |
| 14:32.38 | Gerben | http://bit.ly/UFOJG0 gconf-schemas is contained in the gconf2 package, which is a dependency of comix |
| 14:32.55 | telmac_ | heurist: returns same error |
| 14:33.24 | Gerben | try apt-get install gconf2 |
| 14:33.34 | Gerben | then removing both |
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| 14:34.31 | telmac_ | http://pastebin.com/KUdUY0wh |
| 14:35.03 | themill | what a fun mix of releases you have there... |
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| 14:37.26 | heurist | telmac_: maybe try a apt-get update first? |
| 14:38.44 | telmac_ | well I've done that a few times today already |
| 14:38.50 | telmac_ | but I'll do it again if you like |
| 14:40.05 | heurist | telmac_: what version of debian are you running? there are strange numbers in your pastes. pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:40.34 | telmac_ | ran without error, I repeated a few suggestions from before and they ran the same |
| 14:41.01 | telmac_ | http://pastebin.com/J1FRKDjw |
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| 14:41.42 | telmac_ | I should say, I haven't used this computer in several months and I don't remember what shit I had going before |
| 14:42.46 | themill | telmac_: the output of «aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'» would be good to see |
| 14:42.47 | heurist | telmac_: I see some testing in there too (commneted out now, but who knows) and mozilla. try apt-get dist-upgrade and see if it becomes more sane? |
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| 14:44.56 | telmac_ | heurist: prints an identical error to something I pasted before |
| 14:45.03 | heurist | dpkg: tell telmac_ about frankendebian |
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| 14:45.42 | telmac_ | so, time to reinstall? |
| 14:45.51 | xtriz | netboot means there are minimal packages to run the system ? |
| 14:45.54 | heurist | telmac_: that is what I would do |
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| 14:47.54 | telmac_ | heurist: is there nothing to be done? |
| 14:48.08 | telmac_ | like, updating everything to testing oss |
| 14:48.13 | heurist | telmac_: did you see the message about frankendebian? |
| 14:48.16 | telmac_ | I did |
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| 14:48.48 | themill | telmac_: the output of «aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'» would be good to see |
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| 14:49.03 | heurist | themill: dejavu |
| 14:49.06 | telmac_ | themill: did I not asked what of it you wanted to see? |
| 14:49.19 | babilen | EPARSE |
| 14:49.20 | phealy | xtriz: netboot means the smallest set of packages needed to boot the system and download the rest of the install base from a mirror. |
| 14:49.33 | telmac_ | it's like |
| 14:49.37 | telmac_ | hundreds of lines |
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| 14:49.46 | heurist | are we confusing netboot with netinstall? |
| 14:49.52 | xtriz | phealy, ok :) |
| 14:49.57 | phealy | heurist: bing. you're right. |
| 14:50.03 | phealy | bingo, rather |
| 14:50.08 | xtriz | heurist, basically i am confused between both of them |
| 14:50.11 | phealy | xtriz: heurist is right, I was thinking netinstall. |
| 14:50.16 | heurist | phealy: bing was soo much better! |
| 14:50.34 | xtriz | than what is netboot ? |
| 14:50.36 | heurist | phealy: like a lightbulb moment type thing. |
| 14:51.02 | heurist | xtriz: netboot is for booting over the network, but we are not sure what you are asking about. |
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| 14:51.50 | xtriz | heurist, i was about to download a netboot image of debian ( vagrant ) so wanted to confirm what is exactly a netboot image is. |
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| 14:52.24 | heurist | xtriz: you will need a pxe capable server setup to use that. |
| 14:52.38 | xtriz | that means i have to avoid downloading that image :) |
| 14:52.49 | MO_Handes | how to install a single package from unstable while I'm on Jessie? my current apt_preferences and sources list configuration upgrades all packages to unstable when I run `apt-get upgrade`. |
| 14:52.52 | heurist | xtriz: https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall |
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| 14:53.22 | OpenTokix | pxe + preseed + config managment == pure magic - but kind of a hassle to get running perfectly |
| 14:53.29 | phealy | mo_handes: generally a bad idea :) have you checked if the package you want is in backports? |
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| 14:53.41 | phealy | dpkg: tell mo_handes about bdo |
| 14:53.41 | xtriz | OpenTokix, hehe |
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| 14:54.25 | phealy | opentokix: as someone who just finished setting up a citrix netboot environment for VDI a few weeks ago, it absoutely is magic, but I would say "kind of a hassle" can be an understatement :) |
| 14:54.33 | mtn | phealy: he is running jessie, not stable |
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| 14:54.44 | phealy | mtn: bah! I give up, I'm not awake yet. |
| 14:54.49 | mtn | heh |
| 14:54.54 | phealy | mtn: also, thanks for pointing that out. |
| 14:55.23 | mtn | MO_Handes: I think you can do something with pinning. I haven't used it, but it should be easy for you to look it up. |
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| 14:55.53 | OpenTokix | phealy: =) - I have it at my homelab - everything, including winPE-enviroment |
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| 14:56.32 | phealy | simple sid backport was what I was thinking about. basically recompiling from deb-src from sid. every time I've tried pinning like that I eventually (within a few weeks) got into a glibc conflict and my system got very sad. |
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| 14:56.42 | themill | dpkg: tell MO_Handes about tum |
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| 14:59.09 | MO_Handes | themill, while testing is mentioned in sources.list as jessie, is it okay to mention it in apt.conf as jessie, too? |
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| 15:00.00 | themill | MO_Handes: that should work too. Check the output of "apt-cache policy" to verify it. |
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| 15:00.43 | MO_Handes | themill, there is no apt.conf , should I create it? |
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| 15:00.51 | themill | yes |
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| 15:08.30 | OldParr | when you open this torrenet it client says "torrent not found" http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso.torrent |
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| 15:17.33 | edoardo | hello |
| 15:17.52 | edoardo | what's the best way to install debian on a pendrive? |
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| 15:18.55 | OldParr | edoardo: download a netinst image and copy it to the pen drive |
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| 15:19.05 | Brigo | edoardo, the installer? |
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| 15:20.05 | OldParr | edoardo: like this cp image.iso /dev/sdb |
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| 15:21.59 | edoardo | OldParr, but then would i be able to use debian as if it was installed on a hard drive? |
| 15:22.18 | edoardo | i need something i can plug in my school's pc when i want to program there |
| 15:22.35 | edoardo | they have win xp installed, but pcs are fairly new so they can boot from usb |
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| 15:23.55 | OldParr | edoardo: you need a live image but with persistence |
| 15:24.06 | Bert_2 | Hi, is it possible to go from regular ext4 partitions to ext4 on mdadm online while keeping all the data constantly available? (we're talking about the root and boot partitions) |
| 15:24.17 | OldParr | persistence means that it save changes |
| 15:24.31 | edoardo | OldParr, yeah! that was i was going for |
| 15:24.41 | edoardo | didn't have the words to say that hehe |
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| 15:25.35 | edoardo | i guess there will be problems with different computers |
| 15:25.37 | OldParr | edoardo: a live image usually do not save any changes, but if you read debian.org it explains how to make it persistent |
| 15:26.00 | frostschutz | Bert_2, no. in theory with LVM it could be possible buuut nope. |
| 15:26.11 | edoardo | like video card, audio card etc |
| 15:26.19 | edoardo | OldParr, i'll search that |
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| 15:26.52 | Bert_2 | frostschutz: yeah, for some weird reason this server uses one regularly partitioned disk, which is very weird as all our other servers use two disks with mdadm and lvm |
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| 15:27.25 | edoardo | may i ask another thing |
| 15:27.31 | OldParr | edoardo: go |
| 15:27.37 | edoardo | i have different computers running debian on my network |
| 15:27.46 | edoardo | and a slow connection |
| 15:27.51 | edoardo | about 640kbit |
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| 15:27.57 | edoardo | i heard that it's possible to make a local repository |
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| 15:28.11 | edoardo | that caches debs |
| 15:28.25 | edoardo | it was an apt-get addon or something like that |
| 15:28.28 | edoardo | but i can't remember |
| 15:28.29 | centrx | edoardo, Check out "apt-cacher" |
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| 15:28.45 | centrx | edoardo, That is a caching/proxy program, not a full repository mirror |
| 15:28.52 | centrx | which sounds like what you want |
| 15:28.57 | edoardo | yeah |
| 15:29.10 | edoardo | basically download only one time each package |
| 15:29.29 | edoardo | it's a hell updating three different computers at the same time |
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| 15:29.55 | edoardo | i usually copy the apt cache folder to all the computers |
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| 15:31.06 | centrx | That's not a bad idea, or maybe it might be |
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| 15:31.16 | centrx | apt-cacher is the standard |
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| 15:32.04 | edoardo | is it possible to use apt-cacher with multiple debian-based distros? |
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| 15:32.19 | edoardo | i mean, configure the "server" on my raspberry |
| 15:32.29 | edoardo | and use it with Ubuntu, Mint, Debian.... |
| 15:32.43 | centrx | edoardo, Saw this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Apt-Cacher-Server#Warning:_Using_Apt-Cacher_with_more_than_one_distribution |
| 15:32.52 | OldParr | when you open this torrent client says "torrent not found" http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso.torrent |
| 15:32.55 | centrx | edoardo, It gives the warning, but then it says a way to do it |
| 15:33.08 | edoardo | thank you centrx |
| 15:33.17 | centrx | OldParr, You may need to tell your torrent client to "Open URL" vs "Open File" |
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| 15:34.29 | edoardo | OldParr, maybe the torrent client expects a magnet rather that an http |
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| 15:35.06 | edoardo | OldParr, try to copy this |
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| 15:35.28 | OldParr | i have tried saving the torrent file to disk and also open url, but it allways says torrent not found |
| 15:35.32 | Magnittude | centrx / edoardo, OldParr was referring to the tracker response from debian.org |
| 15:35.40 | edoardo | Magnittude, oh |
| 15:35.43 | edoardo | nvm then |
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| 15:36.16 | subgeniuskitty | Does anyone know why, if I start irssi via "xterm irssi &" in my .xinitrc file, it has a different color scheme than if I launch it manually after X is started? |
| 15:36.16 | edoardo | seeding the netinst of 7.5 is fine for me |
| 15:36.21 | Magnittude | I downloadd to check, managed to get the whole file without the tracker, used DHT or something i guess |
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| 15:37.48 | OldParr | now it says torrent not found but it is downloading ! |
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| 15:38.39 | dondelelcaro | subgeniuskitty: do you set .xresources or similar? What happens if you start irssi at the absolute last place it could be started? Or fork a shell and sleep for a bit? |
| 15:38.53 | dondelelcaro | subgeniuskitty: it also may be env variables which aren't set when you first fork irssi changing things |
| 15:38.59 | gr8 | hi. could you tell me what is the simplest way to block all google domains on my PC to be accessed? that means, *.google.com, *.google.nl, .de, etc |
| 15:39.36 | edoardo | also, what happens if i try to install packages but the apt-cacher server is not in lan? |
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| 15:41.26 | subgeniuskitty | dondelelcaro: I tried setting the $TERM prior to the irssi line in the xinitrc file. Specifically, I set it in .Xdefault and then had xrdb -merge in xinitrc. Also, the irssi launch is the last line before starting the xsession |
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| 15:41.44 | subgeniuskitty | dondelelcaro: Are there other env vars I should check other than $TERM? |
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| 15:42.07 | edoardo | gr8, echo 'google.com localhost' > /etc/hosts |
| 15:42.28 | dondelelcaro | subgeniuskitty: hrm; those are the likely suspects... you could just specify the color scheme explicitly |
| 15:42.50 | subgeniuskitty | dondelelcaro: For troubleshooting I have the xinitrc pruned to just set my monitor config, then launch irssi, then start the Xsession. |
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| 15:44.03 | subgeniuskitty | dondelelcaro: Manually specifying the colors is a good idea for now. I'll give that a try. Thanks! |
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| 15:44.09 | dondelelcaro | subgeniuskitty: OK; sounds reasonable. I don't have any additional insight here, unfortunately. I'd have to read the code to figure it out. |
| 15:44.28 | dondelelcaro | subgeniuskitty: no problem; hopefully that will work. |
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| 15:47.19 | subgeniuskitty | dondelelcaro: That did the trick. Thanks again. |
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| 15:50.03 | sine0 | so i have install vsftpd oidentd apache and privoxy etc. where do these services or programs put themselves so that they start up when the system boots. im newish and want to know what is the startup file |
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| 15:50.52 | heurist | sine0: they add scripts to /etc/init.d/ |
| 15:51.48 | sine0 | ok thanks |
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| 15:56.22 | mrpro | hi |
| 15:56.29 | mrpro | http://youtu.be/irUzEUJOB00 |
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| 15:57.01 | sine0 | dick |
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| 15:58.46 | Adrian | Hello |
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| 15:59.19 | Adrian | Short question you guys might be able to answer: Why does Htop not show me my ram and cpu but top does? |
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| 15:59.44 | centrx | Adrian, my htop shows my RAM and CPU |
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| 16:00.05 | Adrian | well mine shows a bar but not x/x memory used |
| 16:00.26 | Adrian | sending a screenshot soon |
| 16:00.53 | Adrian | http://gyazo.com/e83b1a3394a37c6a7972d6c711c973ed |
| 16:01.38 | Adrian | do i need anything in order for htop to work correctly? |
| 16:01.58 | heurist | Adrian: look fine to me, 8 cpus and no mem used. |
| 16:02.00 | gr8 | edoardo: thanks. does it need a restart or something? doesn't work yet |
| 16:02.19 | edoardo | gr8, it's not instant |
| 16:02.25 | edoardo | you need to refresh something |
| 16:02.33 | edoardo | can't remember what though |
| 16:02.43 | Adrian | heurist yes but I shouldnt have 8 cores and i wanna see how much meory i have and how much im using like here: http://static.thegeekstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/01-htop-output.png |
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| 16:02.53 | avshalom | Adrian: interesting, mine does show x/y mem. |
| 16:03.04 | Adrian | indeed interesting |
| 16:03.11 | Adrian | since top also shows it for me |
| 16:03.25 | edoardo | mine has a row for each core |
| 16:03.33 | heurist | Adrian: F2 is setup, look for options there. |
| 16:03.47 | edoardo | and then a Mem [|||||||||||||| 1472/4018MB] |
| 16:03.52 | avshalom | but, i haven't configured any of my htop at all, and it comes out of the box x/y |
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| 16:04.14 | edoardo | Swp [ 0/0MB] |
| 16:04.15 | heurist | Adrian: rm ~/.config/htop/htoprc |
| 16:04.25 | gr8 | what do I need to do to make changes in /etc/hosts effective? |
| 16:04.32 | Adrian | wtf |
| 16:04.36 | Adrian | this is strange |
| 16:04.48 | centrx | gr8, restart whatever app uses it |
| 16:05.04 | Adrian | http://gyazo.com/203814931b34d3651f5643e33a2b3dda |
| 16:05.09 | Adrian | it works for all the other styles |
| 16:05.25 | Adrian | but not but not for the one i want :D |
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| 16:08.11 | m4ggus | Adrian are you using putty or are you on that machine? |
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| 16:08.19 | Adrian | putty aaaand i fixed it |
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| 16:08.35 | Adrian | it was the colors(layout style) |
| 16:08.39 | m4ggus | ;) kk putty is messing around with the color schemes |
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| 16:09.00 | Adrian | thanks guys |
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| 16:17.12 | sine0 | can i install debian onto a USB as the root folder. so i dont touch my laptop install |
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| 16:17.38 | LIERO | you can, just make sure it's a decent USB in terms of speed |
| 16:18.00 | sine0 | how can i tell |
| 16:18.03 | LIERO | i did it on a USB 2 flash drive once and it was laggy as hell with an xfce |
| 16:18.16 | sine0 | its a sandisk cruzer blade 16gb |
| 16:18.19 | LIERO | get USB 3, read specification, avoid chinese brands |
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| 16:18.50 | Brigo | sine0, when you install you will be asked where to install |
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| 16:20.16 | MetaleerIsPedo | hi Metaleer ;) |
| 16:20.26 | iwilcox | !ops |
| 16:20.26 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
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| 16:25.57 | stack | !kde |
| 16:25.57 | dpkg | KDE software is based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde>. You can also get KDE-specific help in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net) or in other KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels . Also check out http://wiki.debian.org/KDE . |
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| 16:26.06 | edoardo | !usbmount |
| 16:26.06 | dpkg | usbmount is a script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed. See also <pmount>. |
| 16:26.26 | edoardo | so, i have a problem with this one |
| 16:26.38 | edoardo | can i ask there or i'll get killed? |
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| 16:26.49 | stack | you get killed asking to ask |
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| 16:27.30 | edoardo | stack, i would ask if i can ask before asking a question, but i'm afraid someone would say that i can't ask to ask questions |
| 16:27.43 | edoardo | however, |
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| 16:28.02 | edoardo | my drive is mounted with usbmount, but i can't access it |
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| 16:28.12 | edoardo | well, i can access it, but apt-caching-ng can't |
| 16:28.33 | edoardo | if i ls -l i get drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 lug 2 17:26 usb0 |
| 16:28.55 | edoardo | and i guess that means nobody beside root can write to it |
| 16:28.55 | stack | look for files you need to access IN usb0 |
| 16:29.02 | stack | yeah that is correct |
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| 16:29.14 | edoardo | i don't need to access files there |
| 16:29.20 | edoardo | i need to create files |
| 16:29.37 | stack | then chmod +w usb0 |
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| 16:29.47 | edoardo | i tried FS_MOUNTOPTIONS="uid=1000,gid=1000" but doesn't solve my problem |
| 16:30.07 | jhutchins | This is a pretty universal problem these days, someone decided it was useful to mount external drives read only except for root. |
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| 16:30.18 | edoardo | stack, doesn't work |
| 16:30.44 | jhutchins | edoardo: One thing that works is to create an fstab entry for the mount that allows user rw. |
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| 16:31.09 | jhutchins | Kinda defeats the userspace mount capability, but oh well. Somebody thinks it's a good idea. |
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| 16:31.57 | stack | edoardo: what user apt-caching-ng run as? |
| 16:32.06 | edoardo | stack, how do i find out? |
| 16:32.08 | stack | user/group |
| 16:32.17 | stack | edoardo: ps aux | grep apt-caching-ng maybe |
| 16:32.23 | edoardo | thanks |
| 16:32.31 | stack | (without the maybe string) |
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| 16:32.33 | stack | :) |
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| 16:32.57 | edoardo | sysop@pipaos:/media$ ps aux | grep apt-caching-ng |
| 16:32.58 | edoardo | sysop 2284 0.0 0.1 3532 816 pts/0 S+ 16:32 0:00 grep apt-caching-ng |
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| 16:33.59 | stack | I assume id -u sysop gives 1000 , is that correct? |
| 16:34.17 | edoardo | sysop@pipaos:/media$ id -u sysop |
| 16:34.18 | edoardo | 1000 |
| 16:34.23 | edoardo | yeah, but still doesn't work |
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| 16:35.50 | jhutchins | edoardo: This works for me: /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,users,dmask=000,fmask=000 0 0 |
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| 16:36.06 | stack | jhutchins: that assumes the user mounts that device |
| 16:36.35 | jhutchins | stack: No. |
| 16:36.37 | edoardo | it's an hdd connected to a raspberry via a chinese sata -> usb cable |
| 16:37.00 | edoardo | i guess i need to change that /dev/sdb1 |
| 16:37.14 | jhutchins | edoardo: Yes, adapt as needed. |
| 16:37.31 | edoardo | why isn't fdisk available? :\ |
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| 16:37.48 | edoardo | i have the package but i can't use it |
| 16:37.56 | jhutchins | edoardo: root. |
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| 16:38.06 | stack | I don't really know usbmount, but you can resolve with an fstab rule given the disk is always attached |
| 16:38.06 | edoardo | jhutchins, right... works with sudo |
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| 16:38.18 | stack | and give right permissions to the mount folder |
| 16:38.26 | edoardo | Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes |
| 16:38.34 | edoardo | /dev/sda2 2048 976773119 488385536 83 Linux |
| 16:38.53 | jhutchins | My entry means any one disk will be mounted as usb0, addtional disks are not handled. You can also use UUID specific options. |
| 16:38.55 | edoardo | My fsdab will then be: /dev/sda2 /media/usb0 auto rw,users,dmask=000,fmask=000 0 0 |
| 16:39.11 | jhutchins | edoardo: Try it! |
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| 16:39.20 | edoardo | YES SIR |
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| 16:43.13 | edoardo | well this is strange |
| 16:43.20 | edoardo | now my disk doesn't get mounted |
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| 16:48.57 | omps | Hi |
| 16:48.59 | edoardo | sysop@pipaos:/media$ sudo mount -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sda2 /mnt/flash |
| 16:48.59 | edoardo | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2, |
| 16:48.59 | edoardo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.59 | edoardo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.59 | edoardo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:49.12 | edoardo | nice |
| 16:50.06 | omps | what does fdisk -l says about the partition |
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| 16:52.16 | stack | edoardo: if you have defined the fstab entry, do mount /mnt/flash |
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| 17:09.29 | stack | does anyone uses kde in jessie and could tell me if having 4.13 and 4.12 mixed libraries and binaries is a normal thing to have on a fresh kde installation? |
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| 17:09.57 | stack | for example I see kde version 4.13 but I still have nepomuk |
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| 17:14.20 | jhutchins | stack: Does it still run under 4.13? |
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| 17:14.38 | stack | jhutchins: is that relevant :) ? |
| 17:15.06 | jhutchins | stack: I infer from your question that nepomuk isn't included in 4.13, correct? |
| 17:15.24 | stack | jhutchins: I don't remember if I had to install it manually |
| 17:16.05 | jhutchins | stack: As long as it's dependencies are met I would expect it to stay installed even if it were no longer available. |
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| 17:17.12 | stack | jhutchins: the fact is that 4.13 should have baloo instead of nepomuk, but probably is not yet packaged for jessie, I was wondering if I have broken repositories/deps or is that a normal thing |
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| 17:18.11 | jhutchins | stack: If you're running jessie then by definition you have broken repositories. |
| 17:18.29 | stack | I'm trying kde after MANY years, and still things are broken even if the system is something I'm starting to appreciate, expecially programming on kdelibs |
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| 17:18.36 | stack | jhutchins: you liar!11!! |
| 17:18.40 | jhutchins | stack: Someone in #debian-next on oftc.net might know specifics. |
| 17:18.45 | stack | ok |
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| 17:20.44 | fishy_things | hi everyone |
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| 17:26.09 | corretico | hello everyone... |
| 17:26.34 | corretico | somebody knows how I can change the network interface name on Debian 7... |
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| 17:27.54 | corretico | I was using /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules but this file is no present in my Debian 7 |
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| 17:32.08 | fishy_things | hi everyone |
| 17:32.19 | fishy_things | whenever i try to boot debian live from a usb |
| 17:32.37 | fishy_things | (start computer, select usb-zip0 as drive to boot from, etc.) |
| 17:32.56 | fishy_things | i simply just get a cursor ("_") flashing on my screen |
| 17:32.59 | heurist | dpkg: tell fishy_things about enter |
| 17:33.01 | fishy_things | what am i doing wrong? |
| 17:33.11 | fishy_things | sorry, i will write in long sentences. |
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| 17:35.08 | fishy_things | what could the issue be - why is it then when i select the usb to boot from (after i have used a program like unetbootin to extract the iso onto the usb), i just get a flashing cursor and nothing else? |
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| 17:35.44 | tralala | fishy_things, you are doing it wrong |
| 17:35.48 | tralala | dpkg, usb install |
| 17:35.48 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
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| 17:38.02 | fishy_things | tralala: thanks for showing me how to google, but i am not a linux system, so those instructions don't help me |
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| 17:38.27 | iwilcox | corretico: You could create your own 70-persistent-net.rules or use ifrename |
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| 17:39.10 | techorix | hi guys |
| 17:39.34 | techorix | is the MateDesktop in Debian stable? does it look nice? ^^ |
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| 17:40.07 | Adrian | anyone here familliar with steam servers on debian? |
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| 17:40.29 | techorix | dude, steam, awesome! |
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| 17:41.01 | tralala | fishy_things, I didn't show you how to google, I gave you a link to the instructions. There's another link for windows systems. |
| 17:41.32 | unborn | hi all.. I need to ask someone here familiar with editing host file - so I can access my home server from my own computers without ip...just need to confirm if I am correct thats all :) |
| 17:41.38 | unborn | anyone? |
| 17:41.44 | Adrian | im going out of my mind atm.. Whatever way I try I dont get it to work |
| 17:41.51 | fishy_things | tralala: sorry, i will look into that. |
| 17:42.09 | tralala | dpkg, tell techorix -about mate |
| 17:42.44 | techorix | thx man |
| 17:42.55 | techorix | this channel has awesome bots :) |
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| 17:46.36 | tralala | dpkg, you rock |
| 17:46.36 | dpkg | tralala: :) |
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| 17:46.54 | tralala | ;) |
| 17:47.00 | techorix | man, this makes idling SO much easier :D |
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| 17:48.00 | fryguy | unborn: that's one way to do it |
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| 17:50.13 | shay_shay | judd |
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| 17:50.31 | shay_shay | ...so slow |
| 17:50.43 | dvs | ,v gnome |
| 17:50.49 | shay_shay | blinks |
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| 17:51.14 | unborn | fryguy, cheers - it will be running on proper virtualmin but because the domain name is dummy it wont be found - I just need it to be able to see it only from my pc |
| 17:51.35 | shay_shay | ,v gnome |
| 17:51.41 | tralala | unborn, normally a home network has a router that runs a DNS server, so configuring that router with the host names in the network gives all computers access to each other without having to edit all the hosts files. |
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| 17:51.52 | dvs | shay_shay: It's dead, Jim |
| 17:52.06 | shay_shay | dvs: it works intermitently |
| 17:52.20 | shay_shay | 10 minutes later he will tell us |
| 17:52.22 | unborn | tralala, i dont think so my router is capable to do it |
| 17:52.22 | dvs | Must be unionized |
| 17:52.23 | unborn | :D |
| 17:52.56 | shay_shay | ok i will check judd senior on oftc |
| 17:53.51 | corretico | <iwilcox> I try-ed to create but I got some errors |
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| 17:54.08 | fryguy | unborn: i'd be surprised if it doesn't. mine also hooks it's dhcp server to it's dns server so that hosts automatically get registered |
| 17:54.21 | tralala | unborn, I don't believe that any router made in the last 5 years (at least) lacks this capability. Is yours older? |
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| 17:56.14 | unborn | tralala, a bit older.. but problem is I have no idea where to setup it.. its asus ac56u |
| 17:56.16 | fishy_things | tralala: thank you - that worked. sadly, i am having another problem from before: the installation hangs at "detecting network hardware" (whether I am using graphical install or not). i tried to get a live image that included non-free drivers if that was a problem, but to be honest, i don't suspect it is a problem because i am installing stuff on an older desktop that does not have a wireless card - just a simple ethernet thing |
| 17:56.24 | fishy_things | tralala: is this workaround (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=681656#35) still applicable? |
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| 17:58.39 | tralala | fishy_things, when it hangs can you switch to a console? |
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| 17:59.09 | tralala | unborn, it has dhcp right? |
| 17:59.31 | unborn | tralala, yes it does indeed.. |
| 18:00.00 | tralala | so what's the name server that the clients get? |
| 18:00.28 | fishy_things | tralala: i am not sure if i can, because i don't know how to -_- .... p.s. in live boot, it seems that the computer does indeed have a wireless card somehow! (it can detect wireless networks...) |
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| 18:01.22 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.8+8; sid: 1:3.8+8 |
| 18:01.23 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.8+8; sid: 1:3.8+8 |
| 18:01.31 | dvs | aha! |
| 18:01.35 | dvs | slacker! |
| 18:01.37 | shay_shay | see |
| 18:01.43 | shay_shay | he was on a break |
| 18:02.04 | tralala | dpkg, installer firmware |
| 18:02.04 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 18:02.08 | dvs | meets with judd's union |
| 18:02.12 | tralala | fishy_things, check this out ^^ |
| 18:02.23 | unborn | tralala, you may missed my question.. its media.gs domain which does not really exists and I need to have it for my media library accessible only from my pc.. |
| 18:03.03 | unborn | that domain will run on proper virtualmin server but just privately - for me :) tralala |
| 18:03.14 | fishy_things | tralala: installing from the live boot works. it seems that it is detecting the two network options: the ethernet card, and the wireless card (which I guess someone put into the machine). oh, by the way, i used an image which includes the non-free firmware on the usb. |
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| 18:04.07 | fishy_things | fishy_things: should i document this somewhere? is it going to be useful to anyone else? i don't know. |
| 18:04.11 | fishy_things | oops. |
| 18:04.12 | unborn | I am quiet happy to touch /etc/hosts tralala as the virtualmin server hosts few real domains and have its own dns running |
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| 18:07.31 | Adrian | man.. im going out of my mind... I keep getting this: http://pastebin.com/pQceCHTw even though lib32gcc1 is up to date |
| 18:07.44 | tralala | unborn, I didn't get this. But if editing hosts works for you then go for it. |
| 18:08.06 | tralala | fishy_things, you could see if it fits somewhere in the wiki |
| 18:08.12 | unborn | tralala, I think that would be :) anyway thank you! |
| 18:08.30 | tralala | unborn, you're welcome :-) |
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| 18:15.23 | f-a | hello, is there a way to check, using popcon, the most popular games in debian repos? I guess the question could be, can I somehow search popcon for use::gameplaying tag? |
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| 18:17.21 | fishy_things | woo hoo! debian install success!!!! |
| 18:17.31 | shay_shay | woo? |
| 18:17.35 | dvs | doesn't it always? |
| 18:17.42 | dvs | ;-) |
| 18:17.49 | fishy_things | not for me :/ |
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| 18:19.03 | PryMar56 | fishy_things, what complicating factors? encrypted /home? btrfs? sofware raid? |
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| 18:19.41 | dvs | Apple IIe install? |
| 18:19.53 | fishy_things | PryMar56: general lack of linux knowledge. for about a day or so i was stuck on the wheezy installer hanging after the "detect network hardware" screen |
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| 18:20.15 | fishy_things | PryMar56: anyway, i am proud to say that i finally have about 20 good reasons i need to use linux |
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| 18:20.37 | fishy_things | so, i have good reason to pay some attention into figuring things out, and luckily, that new edx course is starting soon too |
| 18:20.41 | fishy_things | so i have someone to hold my hand |
| 18:20.44 | tralala | fishy_things, if you keep using it soon you'll have 200 :) |
| 18:21.01 | fishy_things | tralala: :) |
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| 18:21.15 | d3c0 | !hi |
| 18:21.15 | dpkg | hello, d3c0 |
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| 18:24.22 | d3c0 | after install skype in: https://wiki.debian.org/skype#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22, I have this message after to do the apt-get update: "Please use the apt-cdrom this CD-ROM recognized by APT" |
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| 18:24.46 | d3c0 | how can I fix this ? |
| 18:24.49 | Asuran | i want to build something with these instructions:https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en (down the page) but where to i put custom CFLAGS? /etc/make.conf? i want to be sure that this cflags are actually gonna be used |
| 18:25.12 | tralala | d3c0, remove the cdrom line from sources.list |
| 18:25.24 | abrotman | d3c0: edit your sources.list, remove cdrom line .. ensure you have other sources as the bot is about to tel you |
| 18:25.29 | abrotman | dpkg: tell d3c0 about wheezy sources.list |
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| 18:26.12 | Ontological | Hey guys! Is it possible to easily re-compile a kernel? My goal is simply to compile for my arch vs having a generic kernel. I'm fine with using the version installed, but just trying to make it a bit more efficient. Any suggestions? |
| 18:26.33 | dvs | ,v linux-image-amd64 wheezy-backports |
| 18:26.34 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 3.14+57~bpo70+1 |
| 18:26.58 | abrotman | Ontological: why? In most cases, this isn't useful |
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| 18:27.10 | Asuran | Ontological: as i remember yes, its easy even when not using deb pkg its more about whats already installed on system if theres problems |
| 18:27.19 | Asuran | or how i should this describe better |
| 18:27.27 | abrotman | dpkg: custom kernel |
| 18:27.27 | dpkg | Read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD". Also ask me about <kernel-handbook>. |
| 18:27.39 | Ontological | I'm just on a very weak machine and I'm trying to milk everything out of it I possibly can. It is my understanding that most kernels are compiled in a 'generic' manor, meaning I could re-compile them for my arch and make it more efficient. |
| 18:28.10 | abrotman | Ontological: how weak? |
| 18:28.23 | Ontological | Weak enough that I'm really tempted to put archlinux on it :P |
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| 18:28.31 | abrotman | PIII or lower? |
| 18:28.40 | d3c0 | ok understand but, if after I will try install some program that need the CD-ROM what happens here? I think linus notify me |
| 18:28.56 | Ontological | abrotman: It's a VPS with one 2GHz core and 4MB RAM |
| 18:29.00 | abrotman | d3c0: that won't happen |
| 18:29.03 | abrotman | Ontological: 4MB eh ? |
| 18:29.07 | Ontological | GB >_< |
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| 18:29.44 | Asuran | Ontological: what kind of vps? what virtualisation is used? |
| 18:29.48 | abrotman | Ontological: two things, it's a VPS, you're stuck with the kernel you have. Additionally, you wouldn't get much out of it, that's enough of a system you wouldn't notice |
| 18:31.32 | Ontological | Asuran: I'm not sure what virtualisation is used, but it's Cloud at Cost :P |
| 18:31.45 | Asuran | oh i got that too |
| 18:31.47 | Asuran | its shit |
| 18:31.51 | Ontological | Absolute, yes |
| 18:31.53 | Asuran | can't use custom kernel |
| 18:31.58 | d3c0 | abrotman: thx n_n |
| 18:32.00 | abrotman | problem solved! |
| 18:32.02 | Ontological | Thankls for the info Asuran abrotman |
| 18:32.02 | abrotman | two even! |
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| 18:37.01 | gtristan | Hi, I'm trying to build a -dbg package from my source tarball, I'm totally new at this and I'm wondering where to start... |
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| 18:37.28 | gtristan | I have already a package directory with a control file and various foo.install bar.install files to separate which files go where |
| 18:37.39 | gtristan | s/where/into which package/ |
| 18:37.59 | Asuran | gtristan: same here, i done some what stand there: https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en |
| 18:38.03 | gtristan | but building a -dbg package requires that the source tarball be ./configured with different options |
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| 18:40.14 | unborn | tralala, it works like dream.. dns is disabled on server side.. emails as well.. however everything else works like charm on dummy domain. However I am interesting how to setup that in home network then.. can you give me some hints? |
| 18:40.17 | gtristan | Asuran, fwiw I started here: https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging |
| 18:40.33 | gtristan | Asuran, and found my way here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/17508/how-to-have-debian-packaging-generate-two-packages-given-an-upstream-source-arch |
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| 18:40.52 | gtristan | Asuran, regarding the splitting of files into separate packages... that seems to work fine |
| 18:41.05 | Asuran | gtristan: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.de.html if this helps you in any way |
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| 18:41.14 | tralala | unborn, if the media server requires a specific domain name then I don't know. |
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| 18:42.44 | gtristan | However... the problem as I understand it, is that the 'debian/' subdirectory with all the files, when running "debuild -us -uc"... only builds the source package *once*... and then all the files are copied from DESTDIR into the packages defined in the control file |
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| 18:42.56 | unborn | tralala, yap that runs on virtual server that was my problem i was just not so sure about this whole thingy - well I will stay with editing /etc/hosts which works even from outside of the network :) |
| 18:42.58 | tralala | Some routers support a local domain (such as .lan) that you can customise. You could check if yours does and set the whole network to this domain. Other than that I have no idea. |
| 18:43.07 | gtristan | What I need... if I want to build the -dbg packages... is to build the tree a second time with different configure options |
| 18:43.32 | gtristan | but I have no idea where to start... any tips greatly appreciated. |
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| 18:45.04 | smyers | gtristan, normally bins are built with symbols, and then they're split off into the foo and foo-dbg packages. Does that not work for you? |
| 18:45.39 | gtristan | smyers, no, my debug build is more complex than just C code and debugging symbols for gdb |
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| 18:46.01 | gtristan | there is an IPC (dbus) layer which is enabled if so configured |
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| 18:48.39 | unborn | tralala, to edit whole my devices takes less then minute.. on my router I can even setup some other stuff its just - not proper switch without gui which I am used to it, anyway it works without that small asus box |
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| 18:49.48 | Asuran | what does this mean when building from source: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
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| 18:54.40 | gtristan | smyers, A good example is the libcurl packages... there is the -nss flavor and the -gnutls flavor, certainly the package needs to be built twice |
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| 18:55.04 | gtristan | should find where that contol file and debian directory are stored online and use that as an example... |
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| 18:55.28 | smyers | goes rummaging |
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| 18:56.04 | smyers | gtristan, http://sources.debian.net/src/curl/ might do it for you |
| 18:56.12 | smyers | hahaha 404 ftw |
| 18:56.14 | smyers | http://sources.debian.net/src/curl/7.37.1-1/debian |
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| 18:56.23 | gtristan | yeah ;-) |
| 18:56.24 | gtristan | heh |
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| 18:56.57 | smyers | And yeah, definitely some double (nay, triple!) build shenanigans |
| 18:56.57 | Asuran | solved it, needed to add keys and then apt-get update (maybe "apt-key update" before) |
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| 18:57.43 | gtristan | smyers, thanks... that should help, I'm not sure how I would have found my way there from https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/curl ;-) |
| 18:58.26 | smyers | gtristan, what I usually do (and indeed what I did) is, starting there, click "Developer Information (PTS)", and then "browse source code" on the right |
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| 18:58.51 | smyers | The PTS pages are tremendous piles of info |
| 18:59.03 | smyers | And sometimes tough to sift through |
| 18:59.11 | sine0 | ok so im back up my files, im going to defrag and tehn im going to repartition and install debian. can i make it my primary boot os |
| 18:59.27 | smyers | "defrag"? |
| 18:59.28 | phy1729 | modinfo ip_conntrack_ftp shows the modules but insmod ip_conntrack_ftp says "Error: could not load module ip_conntrack_ftp: No such file or directory" any ideas? |
| 18:59.40 | gtristan | smyers, ah, got it... on the right hand side, thanks |
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| 19:02.04 | Asuran | where can i add custom cflags when building src packages? |
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| 19:02.20 | sine0 | smyers yes i thought it might help when i free up some of my windows drive for unparitioned space |
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| 19:02.46 | gtristan | And I'm now having silly pathing errors with the .install files :-/ |
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| 19:02.58 | gtristan | it seems the blogs are ambiguous... i.e. http://askubuntu.com/questions/17508/how-to-have-debian-packaging-generate-two-packages-given-an-upstream-source-arch |
| 19:03.14 | gtristan | ... as to whether the lines in the foo.install should start with a leading slash, or not |
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| 19:03.49 | gtristan | and also, whether the trailing slash should be kept in tact to copy recursively the content of a DESTDIR relative directory |
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| 19:04.44 | smyers | Oh, defragging NTFS, then. Proceed. |
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| 19:05.12 | smyers | sine0, yes you can make debian your primary boot OS, but using one OS's bootloader to boot another OS (be it grub to boot Windows or NTLDR to boot debian) is dangerous, requiring care to keep both OSes bootable. |
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| 19:07.04 | sine0 | ok then ill just do a super fresh rm -rf |
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| 19:09.13 | sine0 | over the years my tastes have turned solidly to open source and great software like gimp and blender |
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| 19:09.32 | day | i have a tty multiplexer installed...i forgot the name of it help me out T_T |
| 19:09.46 | day | pretty short name |
| 19:10.00 | day | cmux or something like that |
| 19:10.03 | petern_ | tmux |
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| 19:10.10 | day | ah |
| 19:10.15 | day | <3 |
| 19:10.17 | smyers | tmux? -- doh too late |
| 19:11.04 | day | remembering all the hotkeys but not the program name :D |
| 19:11.13 | heurist | day: could also be screen |
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| 19:11.26 | day | heurist: nah he was spot on |
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| 19:12.55 | sine0 | smyers: with a fresh debiian install it will put grub in right ? |
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| 19:13.05 | smyers | Oh crap |
| 19:13.20 | sine0 | what ? |
| 19:13.22 | smyers | I'm pretty sure, yeah :D |
| 19:13.43 | sine0 | it dont matter im going full install |
| 19:14.02 | sine0 | i want to do net install from usb |
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| 19:14.23 | smyers | the "Oh crap" was because all my debian installs have been in Xen VMs for the past decade or so, so...no bootloader. |
| 19:14.35 | sine0 | xen ? |
| 19:14.48 | smyers | paravirtualization solution, not important. :) |
| 19:15.31 | sine0 | amongst my open source favourings i like open office. i take this is on linux also, but is there a better contender? |
| 19:16.10 | smyers | A more "open" version of openoffice is libreoffice, seen here: https://wiki.debian.org/LibreOffice |
| 19:16.38 | smyers | And no, unless you're an MS Office fanatic, libreoffice get the job done just fine |
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| 19:17.03 | level7 | not at 100% but it can do some of the work...integration is a real issue |
| 19:17.40 | Adrian | Can someone prevent me from punching holes in my table, wall and face? |
| 19:18.01 | smyers | Integration with MS Office, sure. MS Office has the same problem (and solution) between different office versions. |
| 19:18.56 | dvs | !lart Adrian |
| 19:18.56 | dpkg | beats Adrian into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
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| 19:19.13 | level7 | the only thing is that office can be integrated with office.. nothing else |
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| 19:19.36 | Adrian | Im going enrage seriously why is it so freakin hard to setup a gmod server with steamcmd on wheezy.. |
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| 19:19.44 | smyers | And then, again, the *same version* of office. |
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| 19:28.13 | gtristan | And another thing... I think this is causing a problem... when using debuild to build from a source tarball named 'pony'... it installs with the DESTDIR=`pwd`/debian/pony ... however I have a package defined in the debian/control file named 'pony' and a 'pony.install' file |
| 19:28.57 | gtristan | these seem to be in conflict, and what is causing a "cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/...': No such file or directory" error |
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| 19:29.31 | gtristan | for some reason, it does not install with DESTDIR=`pwd`/debian/tmp |
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| 19:31.07 | gtristan | oh, scratch that, that seems to be my error following some guide, and overriding it in the debian/rules file |
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| 19:32.04 | shay_shay | http://hastebin.com/rudofudemi.vbs can someone tell me if its normal for the GID and UID to be different in these cases? in the manpage for useradd it said with --system is combined with --group, the GID will be the same as the UID. or did i misread that. should i just change the GID to match the UID? |
| 19:32.17 | shay_shay | or does it not matter |
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| 19:33.30 | paul_grozav | hello, I have an internet connected PC with two virtual machines running inside virtualbox, each VM is a web server having apache on it and I would like to configure my router or i don't know how or what so that onedomain.com goes to VM1 and seconddomain.com goes to the second VM, is this possible ? |
| 19:33.35 | {xmb} | with what windows tool to make success usb stick bootable ? i tried Ãso to usb' unetbootin and rufus, all if even boot with two grub errors that get away on a new grub prompt shell .. cant get it to boot |
| 19:33.54 | petern_ | shay_shay, UID and GID are separate spaces, so they don't need to match at all. |
| 19:34.13 | {xmb} | paul, there are tcp flags for routing, also u can try setting both to different port numbers and forwarding them then |
| 19:34.28 | {xmb} | or running some kind of special together-making proxy, domain asserting |
| 19:34.55 | paul_grozav | I need to access the domains on the default port 80 |
| 19:35.04 | {xmb} | hmm |
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| 19:35.28 | {xmb} | try 'apt-cache search vm web server' # prolly nothing will appear |
| 19:35.38 | {xmb} | what about this |
| 19:36.18 | {xmb} | u run one apache server on the main host and configure it to use the conf files from the vm's |
| 19:36.35 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell {xmb} -about win32diskimager |
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| 19:36.56 | {xmb} | otherwise i wouldnt know now how to run two times port 80 processes |
| 19:36.59 | {xmb} | thx jmcn |
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| 19:38.39 | jmcnaught | shay_shay: hey when you ask the same question at the same time on both freenode and OFTC it can lead to two separate discussions about the same topic which gets confusing. cross-posting like that is best avoided. |
| 19:39.07 | paul_grozav | {xmb} : This is not a solution, my example is a simple one, but imagine a data center, that hosts a lot of domains and has only one public IP address, how can they distribute the workload on multiple servers each cluster maybe solving queries for one domain .. |
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| 19:39.26 | shay_shay | jmcnaught: yes actually i meant to ask it here and only here, its just on my irc client both channels look identical at first glance |
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| 19:39.40 | shay_shay | so i got them mixed around |
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| 19:40.04 | jmcnaught | shay_shay: no big deal, i've just seen that kind of confusion happen before :) |
| 19:40.31 | {xmb} | all the windows look really the same |
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| 19:42.40 | pmade | This is OT but I don't know where to ask. Anyone know what's going on with dict.org? Is it down for good? |
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| 19:44.36 | n1cky | Hey all, I'm wondering if there is there an rsync or ftp avenue for pulling from mozilla.debian.net |
| 19:44.49 | n1cky | any thoughts? |
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| 19:46.24 | {xmb} | paul_grozav also maybe u can make separate interfaces for the vms then run the apache servers and then special qos cfq assert domain |
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| 19:46.45 | {xmb} | but i think the one-apache-on-host is better |
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| 19:47.46 | paul_grozav | {xmb} : What "special qos cfq assert domain" ? |
| 19:47.54 | {xmb} | i dunno nothing working |
| 19:47.59 | {xmb} | what about the solution with |
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| 19:48.07 | {xmb} | where u run one apache source the conf files of the vms |
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| 19:48.20 | {xmb} | i dunno how two port 80 processes would work |
| 19:48.21 | heurist | dpkg: tell {xmb} about enter |
| 19:48.32 | {xmb} | sorry |
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| 19:49.37 | paul_grozav | dpkg: tell paul_grozav about enter |
| 19:49.50 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell paul_grozav -about selftell |
| 19:49.56 | heurist | dpkg: tell paul_grozav about selftell |
| 19:50.08 | heurist | selftell floods ftw! |
| 19:50.16 | paul_grozav | :D I was curios about that enter thing :D |
| 19:50.18 | {xmb} | dpkg tell heurist about heuristic errors |
| 19:50.39 | {xmb} | nevermind thx for help |
| 19:50.43 | petern_ | paul_grozav, you need a proxy on the host that will redirect to whichever VM as required. |
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| 19:51.52 | paul_grozav | petern_ : So, I could configure that like: "onedomain.com is handled by 192.168.89.44" ? |
| 19:51.57 | petern_ | yes |
| 19:52.14 | petern_ | paul_grozav, the set up is called 'reverse proxy' |
| 19:52.31 | paul_grozav | petern_ : Great, then i'll start searching for that, thanks |
| 19:52.58 | paul_grozav | petern_ : Do you know of such a sample config or tutorial, that deals with my problem ? |
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| 19:54.22 | shakur | hello is mnt here ? |
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| 19:55.03 | petern_ | paul_grozav, not off hand, nginx reverse proxy or apache reverse proxy will give you some hits |
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| 19:55.25 | petern_ | paul_grozav, they're actually for a more complicated setup than you need, where only parts of the domain are proxied |
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| 19:57.22 | jmcnaught | shakur: if need help with something you can just ask (a smart detailed question) and if someone is able to help they will. Generally that's better than asking if a particular person is here :) |
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| 20:16.37 | shakur | jmcnaught: alright |
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| 20:19.23 | shakur | which tool can be used to check out the debian sources? |
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| 20:23.05 | ricepooding | shakur, what do you mean? |
| 20:24.15 | shakur | i mean , what tool can get me the sources from debian? svn, git, cvs, ssh, or else ? |
| 20:24.31 | ricepooding | shakur, source code? |
| 20:24.35 | shakur | yes |
| 20:24.41 | jhutchins | ricepooding: apt-get/aptitude |
| 20:24.41 | ricepooding | shakur, apt-get source :) |
| 20:24.51 | shakur | : ) i am using a windows machine, i want to get the sources : ) |
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| 20:25.05 | ricepooding | shakur, stop using windows ;) just kidding |
| 20:25.23 | jhutchins | shakur: http://packages.debian.org |
| 20:25.28 | ricepooding | shakur, i think you can download them from packages.debian.org |
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| 20:26.05 | shakur | alright, that is good |
| 20:26.28 | shakur | but, where are the core sources, and how can i get them? |
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| 20:26.41 | shakur | the sources that make debian linux work at all |
| 20:26.42 | jhutchins | shakur: What do you mean "core sources"? |
| 20:27.08 | jhutchins | shakur: Your question doesn't really make sense. |
| 20:27.16 | jhutchins | shakur: What do you really want to do? |
| 20:27.17 | shakur | i mean, the main method : ) that starts a big loop : )) i think you call them the kernel sources |
| 20:27.35 | jhutchins | shakur: They are with the rest of the package sources. The kernel is a package. |
| 20:27.41 | shakur | aww |
| 20:27.45 | shakur | alright |
| 20:28.37 | shakur | but where do the sources know which one has to start first, there must be build instructions or linking information between those packages, who delivers me this informtaions, or do i have to configure them bymself? |
| 20:28.44 | shakur | i think you call them dependencies |
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| 20:28.50 | ricepooding | shakur, documentation is available |
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| 20:29.08 | robin_ | Hello. |
| 20:29.10 | shakur | okay, i will check the last link |
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| 20:29.24 | ricepooding | shakur, package managers handle dependencies and their order so that you don't have to. you might have troubles with windows :P |
| 20:29.36 | jhutchins | shakur: The installer will install the correct packages in a logical order, when the system starts there are processes that load the code in the correct order. Linux has rececntly started working with systems that load multiple programs in parallel. |
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| 20:30.17 | robin_ | bit.ly/ratsnet |
| 20:30.38 | jhutchins | shakur: The bootloader (usually grub) loads the kernel and triggers the init process that takes the necessary steps to bootstrap the system. |
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| 20:32.12 | jhutchins | shakur: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_startup_process |
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| 20:33.19 | nath | struggling on some problems with also on wheezy 64bit, is there a specific channel on here? |
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| 20:35.22 | jmcnaught | nath: you can ask here, what's going wrong? |
| 20:35.28 | robin_ | So, I'm getting an i7 64 bit laptop soon. Will Jessie be able to work that machine to it's capacity? |
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| 20:35.42 | mtn | nath: Ask your question and if anyone can help they will respond. |
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| 20:35.53 | bolt | i have this EPIA-EN15000G motherboard. its network card works brilliantly under win8, and i can boot debian over the network. however, when the installer boots, it can no longer get an ip address for the rest of the netinstall. i installed from dvd instead, and i find that i can see the network card with ifconfig, but dhclient gets no response. any ideas? it works on windows, and i can boot the netinstall from it... i don't get it |
| 20:36.27 | ricepooding | robin_, what makes you think it wouldn't be able to? afaik, there'd be no problems. |
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| 20:37.03 | robin_ | Okay, just asking. It has that nvidia thing that Linus flipped them off for... |
| 20:37.11 | nath | Patchage comes up with this: 'ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: Keine Berechtigung' |
| 20:37.15 | robin_ | nvidia GTX-somethingorother |
| 20:37.15 | nath | Keine Berechtigung = No Permission |
| 20:37.33 | robin_ | . |
| 20:37.50 | pdominey | this is not so much a question as statement of thanks to debian - I am just sooooo happy to find it hasn't gone down to systemd path & want to encourage the team to stay away from that (leave it as a optional package - but not the default). |
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| 20:38.37 | pdominey | sorry. typo ...down the systemd path... |
| 20:38.46 | nath | mtn: cheers man, just did ;-) |
| 20:38.48 | mtn | pdominey: hate to burst your bubble, but it will be the default next release |
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| 20:39.04 | pdominey | oh no!! |
| 20:39.14 | mtn | the end of the world! |
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| 20:39.50 | nkuttler | !tell nath about alsa checklist |
| 20:39.58 | ompaul | pdominey: quick fork stable and build your own distro running gtk1 and other stuff ;-) |
| 20:40.03 | nkuttler | nath: my first guess would be you're not in the audio group, or whichever it is.. |
| 20:40.38 | pdominey | well, looks like exactly what I shall do |
| 20:41.08 | mtn | thinks progress must really suck |
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| 20:42.05 | jhutchins | bolt: What's the chipset? |
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| 20:42.24 | jhutchins | bolt: What does dmesg say about it? |
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| 20:42.51 | iwilcox | pdominey: sh-based init has been around for decades and I expect it'll stay around for one or two more |
| 20:43.00 | bolt | jhutchins: VIA Networking Velocity Family Gigabit Ethernet Adapter Driver Ver. 1.15 |
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| 20:43.27 | jhutchins | bolt: Does it show up in ifconfig? ifconfig -a? |
| 20:43.40 | jhutchins | bolt: lspci -nn for pci id? |
| 20:43.44 | bolt | jhutchins: it's there, yes |
| 20:43.56 | jhutchins | bolt: It matters which. |
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| 20:44.44 | nath | nkuttler: how do I put myself into audio group, or check wether I am or not? |
| 20:45.12 | bolt | 00:0e.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6120/VT6121/VT6122 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter [1106:3119] (rev 11) |
| 20:45.14 | mtn | nath: in a terminal: groups |
| 20:45.19 | nath | ahhh dpkg told me ;-) |
| 20:45.19 | bolt | jhutchins: --^ |
| 20:45.20 | pdominey | mtn change != progress |
| 20:45.35 | mtn | pdominey: yes, that is why I still use DOS |
| 20:45.39 | jhutchins | bolt: The fact that it's naming it correctly is a good sign. |
| 20:45.45 | jhutchins | ,pciid 1106:3119 |
| 20:45.46 | judd | [1106:3119] is 'VT6120/VT6121/VT6122 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with kernel module 'via-velocity' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1106:3119 |
| 20:46.16 | bolt | via_velocity is indeed loaded |
| 20:46.51 | jhutchins | bolt: So which ifconfig command shows it becomes more important, and what dmesg says around the place where it's detected and the driver is loaded. |
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| 20:47.15 | jhutchins | bolt: Output of ethtool might be interesting. |
| 20:47.30 | pdominey | mtn: it's certainly while I frequently find my self back using Fvwm - I've just more productive in that (and it just takes editing a file to turn it in to anything you want) |
| 20:47.43 | bolt | jhutchins: ifconfig will show it with -a, or if i do "ifconfig eth0 up" |
| 20:48.05 | jhutchins | bolt: So plain ifconfig doesn't show it? |
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| 20:48.16 | bolt | jhutchins: not before "up" |
| 20:48.22 | jhutchins | bolt: How are you configuring it? |
| 20:48.40 | mtn | pdominey: my main thought on the whole systemd thing, is that the debian devs know more than I do :) |
| 20:48.55 | jhutchins | bolt: So after you bring it up, run dhclient eth0 |
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| 20:49.03 | bolt | jhutchins: that's what i'm doing |
| 20:49.21 | bolt | jhutchins: ..and what works if i plug the cable into this other card i put in the sole pci slot |
| 20:49.34 | bolt | jhutchins: with the via card, however, i get no response |
| 20:49.52 | iwilcox | mtn: My main thought: it's just a default :) |
| 20:50.14 | jhutchins | bolt: So the question of how you're trying to configure it becomes even more important. |
| 20:51.09 | bolt | jhutchins: i don't understand the question. i bring the interface up, and i want to use dhcp to grab an address from the server |
| 20:51.27 | pdominey | mtn: I have just found it so much a struggle. The idea might be good, but it buries everything in the same way Windows Registry hides things - when you do that troubleshooting and customization becomes so much more work |
| 20:51.34 | bolt | jhutchins: i haven't done anything custom to the configuration what so ever. this is a clean wheezy install |
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| 20:52.05 | jhutchins | bolt: Are you using network-manager or have you configured it in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:52.28 | shakur | ricepooding: i might have troubles with windows :)) |
| 20:52.40 | shakur | jhutchins: alright thanks : ) |
| 20:52.43 | bolt | jhutchins: "dhclient -v eth0" sends discovers for a while, then ends with "No DHCPOFFERS received". in the dhcp server's log, i see no requests from it. i do see them when i boot from the network though. |
| 20:52.49 | pdominey | mtn: And I've really not found any significant improvement in boot times. |
| 20:53.18 | bolt | jhutchins: neither. it isn't in /etc/network/interfaces because it didn't function during the installation, and i don't have network-manager installed |
| 20:53.38 | heurist | bolt: what happens if you manually or statically configure the interface? |
| 20:53.50 | bolt | heurist: it seems to be unable to communicate |
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| 20:54.01 | bolt | heurist: tried that during install. found a free ip address in range and attempted to use it |
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| 20:54.44 | bolt | heurist: i also tried manually, during installation, setting the ip address it had gotten while booting from the network just a few seconds earlier. |
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| 20:56.03 | heurist | bolt: sounds like a driver or firmware issue since (if) it works in windows. nothing else I can say. |
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| 20:56.20 | bolt | heurist: it does, yes. and it works during initial network boot |
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| 20:56.50 | bolt | jhutchins: dmesg doesn't seem to print anything related around the lines where it finds the card |
| 20:57.09 | Slumlord_ | my understanding is with html we won't need flash anymore? |
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| 20:57.15 | bolt | jhutchins: when i bring the interface up after boot, however, it will print "link is not ready" |
| 20:57.15 | Slumlord_ | my understanding is with html5 we won't need flash anymore? |
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| 20:58.08 | heurist | Slumlord_: correct, not that we ever needed it. |
| 20:58.12 | p14nd4 | Slumlord_: maybe someday, but that day isn't today |
| 20:58.24 | p14nd4 | Slumlord_: there's still a lot of content on the web that's flash-only |
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| 20:58.54 | jhutchins | Slumlord_: Flash is also not just video, some people build interactive pages with it. |
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| 20:59.07 | Slumlord_ | nice |
| 20:59.09 | p14nd4 | even youtube, which has done pretty well in leading the html5 charge for such a big site, has a lot of videos that "aren't available in this format" (non-flash) |
| 20:59.14 | heurist | p14nd4: that is not really the same question though, that content could now be written without flash, so going forwards there are other options. |
| 20:59.24 | p14nd4 | heurist: as an author, yes |
| 20:59.33 | p14nd4 | heurist: as a consumer, that doesn't matter |
| 20:59.47 | p14nd4 | what matters is what pages are written in / content is available in *now* |
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| 20:59.51 | heurist | p14nd4: less and less though, and I think they are all available now, could not find any last I looked. |
| 21:00.08 | p14nd4 | heurist: i don't ever *look* for them, but i stumble across them occasionally |
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| 21:00.16 | heurist | p14nd4: agree, but the web is a fast moving space. |
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| 21:00.23 | nath | nkuttler: I am in the audio group |
| 21:00.36 | heurist | p14nd4: still? I do not anymore. |
| 21:00.49 | p14nd4 | heurist: yes and no. some things move quickly, but there are lots of pages/companies that keep their old stuff the same for many years |
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| 21:02.09 | nath | nkuttler: I just got this advice in another channel 'use lsmod and see if snd_seq is there, and if not add it to /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf' though modprobe.conf does not seem to exist |
| 21:02.47 | p14nd4 | with the latest chromium, flash doesn't come along for free, and i haven't jumped through the hoops to get it working, and i encounter stuff requiring flash on a pretty regular basis (at least weekly, i'd say) |
| 21:02.49 | jhutchins | nath: That should make you suspicious as to what release the advice pertains to. |
| 21:03.01 | nath | I truyed: #sudo modprobe snd_seq, comming up with this one: http://pastebin.com/d4HWYbh2 |
| 21:03.18 | jhutchins | nath: Did you try lsmod first? |
| 21:03.24 | nath | yes |
| 21:03.38 | jhutchins | nath: Did you log out and log back in after you got added to the audio group? |
| 21:03.47 | kRush | what wlan usb sticks work good with linux? I want SoftAP functionality |
| 21:04.33 | nath | jhutchins: no I did not, but I also did not change anything, I was in there allready.... |
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| 21:05.39 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 21:05.39 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 21:05.40 | nath | jhutchins: this the output of lsmod http://pastebin.com/ArcFY2Y5 |
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| 21:06.14 | nath | jhutchins: ok I'll keep goin with 5.) ;-) |
| 21:08.04 | nath | jhutchins: what did you mean by: 'That should make you suspicious as to what release the advice pertains to.'? |
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| 21:08.22 | nath | jhutchins: I was telling I'm on debian wheezy |
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| 21:09.39 | jhutchins | nath: Is alsa installed? alsa-base and alsa-utils? |
| 21:09.55 | nath | yes |
| 21:10.20 | nath | I purged and reinstalled mayn times, I am using firewire audio device |
| 21:10.25 | nath | *many |
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| 21:10.51 | nath | I need alsa to be running with a2j for MIDI |
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| 21:11.17 | rock_theory | Hello. Anyone here work with/on debian/testing? |
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| 21:12.33 | mtn | rock_theory: they are all hiding in #debian-next on the oftc.net server :) |
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| 21:12.55 | rock_theory | oh, thanks. |
| 21:13.11 | nath | jhutchins: I have got to quit, thanks for your help in these regards :-) LOVE! |
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| 21:37.03 | nf7 | Is it possible to use the most recent version of Gnome without changing from Stable? |
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| 21:44.45 | jhutchins | nf7: Most recent from upstream? |
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| 22:05.06 | grace` | hi i got 1 quick question about the keyboard, its kinda wierd when i press the / is - . z = y |
| 22:05.10 | shay_shay | is /usr/sbin/nologin depreciated? are we supposed to configure /etc/nologin instead? or use /bin/false as login shell |
| 22:05.36 | shay_shay | i have been googling this but theres no consensus |
| 22:05.45 | myier | hi, I'm having a problem with upstart, and I don't understand how it happened. From what I saw in the dpkg log, my system uses upstart, but since last reboot I have error messages in cron jobs that use initctl saying that they can't connect to it. Anyone has a clue on why? |
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| 22:09.05 | FourOClock | shay_shay: not that I know of, it's a less 'hackish' solution, but since /bin/false has been a working solution for decades now, I don't think you could consider it a hack anymore anyway. :) |
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| 22:09.34 | shay_shay | oh we have a /usr/sbin/nologin |
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| 22:09.51 | shay_shay | i thought it wasnt there but i was looking in /usr/bin/nologin |
| 22:10.00 | shay_shay | :D |
| 22:10.02 | shay_shay | :D silly me |
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| 22:11.43 | robin_ | What... an entire program that all it does is return false? |
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| 22:11.49 | shay_shay | yes |
| 22:11.54 | robin_ | What... for? |
| 22:11.58 | grace` | im tired |
| 22:12.03 | shay_shay | anything you want |
| 22:12.03 | grace` | please help me with my keyboard |
| 22:12.05 | grace` | :P |
| 22:12.21 | robin_ | I can't think of anything cool to do with that. |
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| 22:12.30 | robin_ | That's why it's a novelty in and of itself. |
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| 22:12.33 | grace` | it's kinda weird when i press z output is y |
| 22:12.34 | grace` | lol |
| 22:13.06 | robin_ | grace` make sure that your keyboard's key arrangment matches the installed keyboard language. |
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| 22:15.25 | FourOClock | robin_: it has its uses... Would you be surprised if I told you it even needed several updates so that it worked properly? :> |
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| 22:16.39 | robin_ | That sounds reasonable. I mean what is false really? |
| 22:16.49 | robin_ | Is it zero? Is it -1? |
| 22:16.54 | robin_ | And so on... |
| 22:17.40 | FourOClock | always 1, actually. |
| 22:17.51 | robin_ | Then what is true? |
| 22:17.55 | dvs | 0 |
| 22:17.55 | FourOClock | 0 |
| 22:18.03 | robin_ | My world just turned up-side down... |
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| 22:18.18 | robin_ | Thanks for clearing that up. |
| 22:18.28 | dvs | robin_: In UNIX, a return code of 0 means there are no problems. |
| 22:18.30 | FourOClock | well, think of it this way: "was there a problem with this command?" true will reply "0 ... problems" |
| 22:18.53 | FourOClock | it makes more sense from a programming perspective: if (problem) { doStuff(); } |
| 22:19.14 | robin_ | I am thinking in terms of php. |
| 22:19.15 | robin_ | err |
| 22:19.19 | robin_ | C/C++ |
| 22:19.23 | robin_ | not php |
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| 22:22.32 | robin_ | Does debian come with the facebook application icon? |
| 22:24.55 | myier | how can I know if a system booted with upstart or sysvinit? |
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| 22:36.46 | TJ- | myier: Possibly look in the environment for vars such as UPSTART_INSTANCE, or check for upstart-*bridge processes or /run/upstart*bridge.pid |
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| 22:40.32 | nf7 | jhutchins: I'm not even sure what upstream means. Is there a wiki article that would be helpful? |
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| 22:42.36 | myier | nf7: I don't know what you're talking about, but upstream generally means the developpers of a package, as opposed to the maintainers |
| 22:45.05 | myier | TJ-: oh yes I have the /run/upstart- things, not the environment variable, that may be the reason why initctl fails. Do you have an idea why I wouldn't have it? Is there a way to recover it? |
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| 22:46.54 | TJ- | myier: the var may be a per-user session thing, since there is an upstart-session-bridge running on my system |
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| 22:48.48 | myier | TJ-: I don't have a process named upstart-session-bridge |
| 22:50.07 | nf7 | myier: Sorry, it was a reply to something from a few hours ago. I was inquiring about whether or not it was possible to run Gnome 3.12 on Debian without moving from Stable. |
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| 22:52.27 | myier | nf7: upstream probably refers to the gnome team then |
| 22:52.40 | myier | or #gnome |
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| 22:56.20 | somiaj | nf7: not really and still call it stable. You could try to build you own gnome packages (large project) in wheezy, but it won't be easy and would be time consuming |
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| 22:58.20 | nf7 | somiaj: Hmmm ok thanks. |
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| 22:58.51 | nf7 | Is Xfce still going to be the default DE for Jessie? I know they said that they would re-evaluate that decision somewhere down the line. |
| 22:59.47 | somiaj | nf7: I personally think the 'default wm' for debian doens't mean much. Debian has multile install cds for the default you want, and the net install lets you choose any |
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| 23:01.09 | nf7 | somiaj: Of course, I was just curious. |
| 23:01.34 | vook | I think it'd be nice to have xfce install by default myself - in the event that I forget to type "desktop=xfce" when booting a netinst. |
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| 23:01.39 | somiaj | I am waiting for the when it is ready and we'll see what it is. (: |
| 23:01.53 | somiaj | vook: I wish they would just put the option in tasksel as opposed to the boot |
| 23:01.56 | somiaj | it use to be there I thoguht |
| 23:02.08 | vook | somiaj: yes, that would be nice. |
| 23:02.20 | FourOClock | twm is the one true wm. |
| 23:04.04 | vook | okay - well I have a question. I can't seem to get user switching working with xfce (using lightdm). I read somewhere that gdm3 is required for xfce user switching, but now i can't get gdm3 to load right, it just comes up with the GDM screen, no user list or login box. Any guidance would be helpful. |
| 23:04.45 | somiaj | vook: what version of debian did you isntall and how did you isntall gdm3? |
| 23:05.09 | vook | ah, ya, it's testing. I installed gdm3 with aptitude |
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| 23:05.59 | vook | I remember that I had this problem with gdm3 months ago - this was the main reason I went with lightdm. |
| 23:06.00 | somiaj | could be something with testing then I would start looking for logs/bugs as to why gmd3 isnt' loading |
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| 23:11.36 | blackjack | is oidentd installable per shell user, or should it be as root? |
| 23:12.57 | TJ- | blackjack: as a privileged service, since it listens on a privileged port |
| 23:13.38 | TJ- | blackjack: I've used it in the past, complete with a proxy, to pass the ident request from a VPN end-point back to a LAN router and then to the client |
| 23:13.41 | blackjack | TJ-: that means on root? |
| 23:14.14 | TJ- | blackjack: It'll ident for all users by default |
| 23:14.24 | blackjack | ok |
| 23:14.36 | blackjack | TJ-, you are not using it now? |
| 23:14.46 | blackjack | i mean you just said in the past. |
| 23:14.47 | TJ- | blackjack: It's launched as a service by root, but I think it drops privileges |
| 23:14.59 | blackjack | ok |
| 23:14.59 | TJ- | blackjack: Not right this minute, no, but it is configured |
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| 23:24.40 | dm7freek | I just installed Debian on an old Dell Dimension 8300, and everything went fine for the most part (the select and install software phase failed then I retried and it succeeded). Now I'm on the desktop and things are displaying very screwy. Only one digit in the time shows as well as only 2 characters in the username. I can open applications like Terminal or Software Update, but the window opens and is blank (only the ou |
| 23:24.40 | dm7freek | tline). Whats going on? |
| 23:25.14 | dm7freek | I've tried restarting |
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| 23:29.17 | jmcnaught | dm7freek: Can you open a terminal? If so, the command "lspci -nn | grep VGA" will give you a PCI-ID that looks like "[abce:1234]".. can you tell us what that is? |
| 23:30.20 | xar- | I need some guidance on how to tell my server to not use the igb kernel driver it's using, but instead to use the one I compiled, walkthroughs welcome :) |
| 23:30.48 | dm7freek | jmcnaught: The terminal window opens, but nothing in it shows. I think I could type a command and run it (because the X doesn't show, but I can guess where it should be and the window closes), but I wouldn't be able to see the result... |
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| 23:32.57 | jmcnaught | dm7freek: Okay, you should be able to run the command from a virtual console. Pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1 should being you to a text mode console where you can log in to run the command. Alt-F7 should bring you back to the X gui |
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| 23:36.40 | dm7freek | jmcnaught: does the command need to be root? lscpi command not found |
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| 23:36.53 | dm7freek | i have lscpu looks like.. |
| 23:37.05 | dm7freek | oops typo nvm |
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| 23:38.14 | dm7freek | jmcnaught: [10de:0181] |
| 23:38.28 | jmcnaught | ,pciid 10de:0181 |
| 23:38.30 | judd | [10de:0181] is 'NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0181 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 23:40.34 | Boobalaja | oo the old MX 440 |
| 23:40.37 | Boobalaja | I remember those XD |
| 23:40.50 | dm7freek | jmcnaught: fwiw it's worth the L in "Loading, please wait..." on boot is the only other indication I've noticed of this problem until after the login screen |
| 23:41.01 | dm7freek | Boobalaja: typically problematic? |
| 23:41.18 | Boobalaja | I was a windows fanboy back on those days |
| 23:41.21 | Boobalaja | so I wouldn't know |
| 23:41.26 | Boobalaja | in those days* |
| 23:41.30 | jmcnaught | dm7freek: that GPU should be supported. What release of Debian are you using? |
| 23:42.00 | dm7freek | jmcnaught: I used a 7.4.0 multiarch disc with network supplement |
| 23:42.53 | jmcnaught | dm7freek: can you put a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 23:43.07 | Boobalaja | my suggestion, drop to cli, disable the nouveau kernel driver and compile/install the nvidia drivers |
| 23:44.15 | dm7freek | jmcnaught: might take a sec but yes |
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| 23:48.02 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell dm7freek -about pastebinit |
| 23:48.17 | dm7freek | jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/112284/ |
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| 23:52.14 | jmcnaught | dm7freek: thanks, i don't see any errors there myself. hopefully someone else will have a an idea. I'm going to try looking for a few more things that might help you. |
| 23:52.38 | Boobalaja | dm7freek could you describe how your screen is messed up ? |
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| 23:52.43 | bug1 | In the day or so all my media players have started running on fastforward with no audio , i vaguely remember something about a kernel option that effected this, anyone have any ideas, running sid |
| 23:53.34 | dm7freek | jmcnaught: thank you |
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| 23:58.38 | kmyst | anybody ever set up sudo with openldap? |
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| 23:59.37 | jmcnaught | dm7freek: the video driver you're using has its own channel on this network, #nouveau. This is the open source driver that's installed by Debian by default. An alternative (that I don't like recommending because it's not Free Software) is to use Nvidia's proprietary drivers, the instructions for that are here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
