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| 00:17.35 | blackjack | can someone tell me a good sources.list for a UK server hmmm |
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| 00:25.49 | jmcnaught | blackjack: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList has a reasonable example using the http.debian.net redirector which automatically selects the best mirror |
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| 01:26.29 | Azazel | Do I always need to follow these steps when I want to mount an ntfs external drive? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=109465 |
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| 01:32.41 | NiLon | Azazel you don't need to install software/drivers etc again, but you need to mount the drive each time you plug it in, thought it can be automated |
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| 01:33.04 | NiLon | fstab configs are for automounting |
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| 01:34.46 | Azazel | I see |
| 01:34.51 | Azazel | will look into it |
| 01:35.05 | Azazel | thanks |
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| 01:37.16 | Azazel | how can I edit text files like fstab (and grub) when KDE won't let me log in as root? do I need to use Vim in the console? |
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| 01:37.41 | dvs | Azazel: use sudo |
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| 01:39.01 | Azazel | thanks |
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| 01:41.41 | TJ- | Azazel: e.g. launch a GUI editor from the command-line that needs superuser privs: "kdesudo kate /etc/fstab" |
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| 01:42.29 | TJ- | Azazel: the same thing from the GUI ... press Alt+F2 and then type the same command |
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| 01:44.06 | Azazel | thanks, I have to log back in for sudo to take effect |
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| 01:46.05 | marksdesktop | so I'm having problems with my broadcom network card |
| 01:46.17 | marksdesktop | I have wl & brcmsmac installed |
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| 01:54.09 | kanliot | if i am running wheezy, and a github compiled program called "livestreamer" requires libc 2.15, can i download the deb from jessie, then use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the jessie library? but it doesn't work because the lib is named wrong?? |
| 01:54.49 | BenNZ | kanliot: i wouldnt recommend it , as youd probably get into dep hell |
| 01:55.11 | kanliot | what's a better way? |
| 01:55.35 | dvs | kanliot: the jessie deb willl replace the wheezy deb (so you'll effectively be running jessie at that point) |
| 01:55.47 | brkndebian | hi, so i did upgrade and dist-upgrade to jessie, however x isnt starting on boot. did something go wrong? |
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| 01:56.10 | kanliot | dvs i was unpacking the so from the .deb |
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| 01:57.04 | BenNZ | brkndebian: did any gpu driver modules fail to build ? |
| 01:57.41 | brkndebian | bennz: how do i check? |
| 01:57.44 | Azazel | have succesfully edited my fstab, only vim wouldn't come up whenever I gave the command, but with kate it worked great |
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| 01:58.20 | BenNZ | brkndebian: lspci to see the device and lsmod to see if the driver module is running |
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| 02:00.39 | brkndebian | bennz: first, does this answer the question? http://imgur.com/ELwj4gH |
| 02:01.43 | BenNZ | brkndebian: what DE do you use ? |
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| 02:01.55 | brkndebian | bennz: xfce |
| 02:02.28 | rmzelnick | I love XFCE |
| 02:02.44 | rmzelnick | not more than fluxbox |
| 02:02.53 | BenNZ | brkndebian: i would run aptitude reinstall xfce4 , that way you know you should have all the required packages |
| 02:04.44 | brkndebian | bennz: running... |
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| 02:18.47 | jmcnaught | kanliot: I would try to run this livestreamer software under a Jessie chroot, checkout https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot to get you started |
| 02:18.52 | voxadam | I'm getting a permission denied error when I try to write to a SMB mount. How do I determine if it's the local system that is denying me permission or if it's the Windows box? |
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| 02:20.18 | kanliot | jmcnaught, i was using a sid chroot last night. had some wierd errors. is this a good place to list those wierd things? |
| 02:20.29 | voxadam | It must be the Windows box. I see that all the files in the mount are listed as "drwxr-xr-x 2 adam root" |
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| 02:21.21 | jmcnaught | kanliot: sure, but use http://paste.debian.net of course :) I have Jessie running in a chroot using schroot and have been able to run GUI software (without even needing to do "xhost +" like that wiki page suggests). |
| 02:22.36 | jmcnaught | kanliot: also you might get better answers about jessie or unstable in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net if nobody here knows what do to :) |
| 02:23.11 | kanliot | k thx jmcnaught |
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| 02:32.09 | Azazel | what does ~ stand for? |
| 02:32.36 | dvs | Azazel: Your home directory |
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| 02:32.45 | Azazel | thought so |
| 02:33.02 | dvs | must stop talking with the devil |
| 02:33.12 | dvs | ;-) |
| 02:36.27 | sporadic_1 | noob here and I'd like to install libctb (communication toolbox library) from source. I've downloaded and extracted the source code into a directory. Can someone explain these install instructions from the dev website?: Type 'make DEBUG=x GPIB=x' or 'make -f GNUmakefile DEBUG=x GPIB=x'Type the same command with an additional install as root to copy the headers and libs to there according system places (i.e. /usr/local/include/ctb-0 |
| 02:36.28 | sporadic_1 | .16 and /usr/local/lib/libctb-0.16.a) like:sudo make DEBUG=x GPIB=x install |
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| 02:40.10 | debroken | bennz: i reinstalled xfce4, however it still doesnt start in xfce. |
| 02:40.24 | debroken | also, startx no longer exists |
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| 02:43.11 | debroken | in case anyone else wants to help, i tried upgrading to jessie and x doesnt start on boot. i upgraded using update, upgrade, dist-upgrade |
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| 02:48.52 | BenNZ | debroken: sorry was afk , odd , try installing xserver-xorg |
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| 02:51.43 | debroken | bennz: still doesnt exist |
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| 02:57.19 | debroken | heres my sources.list just in case http://imgur.com/Uit9mp2 |
| 02:57.38 | Cpuroast | lol |
| 02:57.43 | Cpuroast | why not copy/paste |
| 02:57.44 | Cpuroast | ? |
| 02:58.03 | Cpuroast | oh, no boot to X |
| 02:58.04 | Cpuroast | right |
| 02:58.05 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 02:58.05 | debroken | cpuroast on phone |
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| 02:59.27 | debroken | is there a debian support company like redhat has? |
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| 02:59.44 | Cpuroast | not that I know of |
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| 03:16.39 | jmcnaught | brkndebian: startx is in the package "xinit". if you have network access you can use pastebinit. |
| 03:17.57 | innmalint | is anyone else using light-locker from the experimental repo? |
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| 03:18.17 | BenNZ | brkndebian: sorry was needed elsewhere , you can install xinit if its not installed |
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| 03:21.11 | brkndebian | ok, that works. how do i make sure anything else that may have been missing is back? |
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| 03:24.17 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell brkndebian -about install xfce |
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| 03:29.38 | brkndebian | jmcnaught: it seems like i lost a lot of important packages. shouldnt i have these with the dist-upgrade? |
| 03:29.51 | brkndebian | namely, i lost networkmanager |
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| 03:30.09 | brkndebian | i posted a screenshot of my sources.list above |
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| 03:31.37 | jmcnaught | brkndebian: try installing network-manager again then. sometimes packages are removed from jessie because of bugs. You can search for packages with "aptitude search" or on https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 03:31.54 | brkndebian | back |
| 03:32.05 | jmcnaught | brkndebian: try installing network-manager again then. sometimes packages are removed from jessie because of bugs. You can search for packages with "aptitude search" or on https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 03:32.51 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell brkndebian -about pastebinit |
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| 03:34.54 | brkndebian | jmcnaught: packages such as networkmanager? seems pretty fundamental... |
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| 03:37.43 | jmcnaught | brkndebian: it looks like the packages for network-manager are still in Jessie. But yes, sometimes packages get removed for bugs in Testing. It's not an "end-users" release, it's a development branch. When stuff gets removed it usually gets put back after a while. It's also fundamental to pay attention to the packages that "apt-get dist-upgrade" wants to remove so you can say no if needed |
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| 03:40.55 | mns | I am using debian/testing |
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| 03:56.14 | justanotheruser | Hello, looks like I got network-manager working. Now, how do I make sure I have all the default programs for testing installed? Here is my sources.list http://hastebin.com/okacakunix.avrasm |
| 03:56.28 | justanotheruser | sorry, my phone died, and IIRC, you already answered this |
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| 04:11.21 | mns | I am trying to pin the version of Tue Jul 29 18:45:00 ~/Personal/Rental |
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| 04:11.39 | mns | oops sorry about that, damned cut and paste. |
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| 04:12.50 | oxfauzer | Ok sooooo im getting 404s when trying to download default-jre |
| 04:13.06 | oxfauzer | is this a widespread thing? I can ping out just fine |
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| 04:13.27 | mns | I'm trying to pin xul-ext-adblock-plus to version 2.6.3-1. I've got Pin: version 2.6.3-1 and Pin-Priority: 1000. I have done apt-get update and aptitude update. Yet when I do aptitude install xul-ext-adblock-plus, it wants to download 2.6.4+dfsg-1 |
| 04:13.49 | mns | oxfauzer: whats the location you're trying to download from ? |
| 04:14.09 | oxfauzer | the ftp.us.debian or whatever |
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| 04:14.38 | oxfauzer | ah I just apt-get updated and it looks liek its working |
| 04:15.14 | mns | ok |
| 04:15.33 | angelbroz | hello there, how i can exit from visudo command :-/ |
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| 04:15.54 | mns | oxfauzer: I would suggest you use http://cdn.debian.net as that will pick up whatever is closest to you network wise. |
| 04:16.08 | mns | angelbroz: you will do :wq |
| 04:16.14 | mns | if you want to save what you've done |
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| 04:17.23 | angelbroz | nothing happens D: |
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| 04:17.34 | angelbroz | i need to press any key before?= |
| 04:18.00 | justanotheruser | for some reason with my sources.list http://hastebin.com/okacakunix.avrasm I am missing lots of programs. When I do aptitude update, aptitude upgrade, It says 0 newly installed. I think I am missing quite a few packages though, because I was missing network-manager until I manually installed it. |
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| 04:19.39 | angelbroz | mns, i had to press esc i was in edit mode , thanks! |
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| 04:20.09 | mns | angelbroz: duh! sorry, forgot about that. |
| 04:20.15 | mns | I'm an emacs user lol |
| 04:20.51 | angelbroz | hehe no problem mns |
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| 04:31.51 | mns | where can I get an older icedove version to install ? I need to use 17.0.10-1~deb7u1, but apparently I can't get it anymore for jessie. |
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| 04:32.08 | somiaj | !tell mns about snapsnot |
| 04:32.15 | somiaj | arg....mns, /msg dpkg snapshot |
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| 04:32.36 | mns | thanks again somiaj |
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| 04:42.50 | xa0z | If one were to build a computer system with Debian installed on it, is there something that must be included (by law?) to sell the system for profit using Debian as the OS? |
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| 04:45.02 | Vasistha | xa0z: maybe check out the debian policy manual? |
| 04:45.46 | xa0z | I tried finding a few things online but I never saw anything that specifically addressed my specific question. Granted I don't really know specific places to look. |
| 04:45.49 | somiaj | xa0z: https://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed -- Seems you can add yourself to that list fairly easily so I would assume are fine. |
| 04:45.58 | xa0z | Ok., |
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| 04:47.02 | somiaj | I don't see any thing on that page that gives requirements but debian is free to use and distribute, you can check all of that here https://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 04:47.28 | somiaj | check number 1 under the DSFG on that last link |
| 04:48.12 | somiaj | now things from contrib/non-free may not fall into that. I doubt there will be a problem if you preinstall non-free software (like drivers) but that isn't up to debian. |
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| 04:50.38 | oxfauzer | OMG |
| 04:50.48 | oxfauzer | So... X11 Forwarding... |
| 04:50.59 | oxfauzer | is kinda the coolest thing |
| 04:51.03 | oxfauzer | possibly ever |
| 04:51.25 | xa0z | somiaj, I'm looking at just base install, then adding our own software, then reselling the machine. |
| 04:52.02 | oxfauzer | Seriously this is like magic |
| 04:52.02 | xa0z | oxfauzer, I think the first time I tried X Forwarding was in 2002? It was so crappy and slow and refresh was slow. I've not used it much since that day. |
| 04:52.27 | oxfauzer | xa0z: well im new with Git, and working on a remote server... so I wanted a GIT GUI that I could use on the remote machine... |
| 04:52.45 | oxfauzer | isntalled it and ran the program in putty... boom, I have a "native" window running a remote program |
| 04:52.55 | xa0z | yep |
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| 04:54.13 | somiaj | xa0z: that is fine, it is software outside of debian main you have to worry about distrbutiting as as long as you have rights for that you should be okay. |
| 04:54.26 | xa0z | Ok. |
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| 05:08.36 | unclezipper | Maybe someone with more experience in enterprise hardware can answer this... How do multi-node servers like this > http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-c6105/pd < work? Does the backplane route different hard drives to different nodes? |
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| 05:33.00 | rryoumaa | what is the current recommended way to run a debian system from a usb key? is it the same as if it were any other disk? |
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| 05:50.03 | jmcnaught | rryoumaa: I've installed to a USB stick before and it worked okay. Right now I have Jessie installed on an external USB hard drive and that works fine too. You probably just need to pay attention to where it's installing GRUB |
| 05:50.58 | rryoumaa | do you think i could just rsync to it and then install grub? |
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| 05:51.26 | rryoumaa | i also want to try to set up encrypted root on it (without lvm), is there a tutorial? |
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| 05:54.29 | jmcnaught | rryoumaa: I don't think LVM is required for encryption. The Install Guide has a section about the different options in the partitioning part of the installer. I think you need a separate /boot that is not encrypted. I don't know how well rsync'ing from an install would work, I think you might have trouble with /dev and /var. You could use debootstrap and then install GRUB though (also covered in the Install Guide) |
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| 05:56.36 | rryoumaa | ok, i will find the install guide, thanks |
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| 06:30.56 | nf7 | Is there a program I can get that will keep force my computer to stay awake for a certain amount of time? |
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| 06:37.26 | Stummi | nf7, what do you mean? |
| 06:37.46 | Stummi | you shouldn't need to force your computer to stay awake. If it doesn't stay awake you should fix the reason for this |
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| 06:43.15 | ChibaPet | I just want to note that commenting out a necessary line in /etc/cryptab makes the first reboot after not noticing a botched initramfs creation somewhat exciting. |
| 06:44.04 | ChibaPet | I'll follow that up by saying that I dearly love the rescue mode on the Debian install media. It does so much of the work of getting me to where I can fix my errors. |
| 06:44.42 | Azrael_- | hehe, did you do it intentionally? |
| 06:45.15 | ChibaPet | No, no, I was removing what was a semi-permanent encrypted USB disk, and evidently I commented out that *and* an internal disk's entry. |
| 06:45.39 | ChibaPet | Only, I did this maybe a month ago, and hadn't rebooted until an hour or so ago. |
| 06:46.31 | ftc- | I'm going to install Debian to a new 500gb SSD with LVM partitions for: / + /home + swap + some left over empty space in case I want to try some other distros. Does it matter what order I put the partitions in? |
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| 06:46.44 | ChibaPet | ftc-: no |
| 06:47.13 | ChibaPet | ftc-: There's a lot of interesting information out there to help optimize your use of the SSD. Half a sec and I'll dig up what I sent a co-worker. |
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| 06:47.27 | ftc- | ok cool thanks! |
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| 06:47.52 | ftc- | I was thinking of doing trim via cron rather than immediately. |
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| 06:48.05 | ChibaPet | Yeah, that doesn't seem unreasonable. |
| 06:48.08 | Almtesh | Howdi! |
| 06:48.20 | Almtesh | I found this: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
| 06:48.48 | Almtesh | Anyone knows how the page's author succeded to bridge his wireless interface and I don't. |
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| 06:49.38 | Junkafood | when i try to run "weechat" i get "bash: weechat: command not found". I get that a lot |
| 06:49.41 | ChibaPet | Hm, alright. Found it. ftc-: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives |
| 06:49.57 | ChibaPet | Despite it being an Arch resource, it all applied directly to Debian/Ubuntu/whatever. |
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| 06:50.15 | ftc- | ChibaPet: ta, i'll take a look. yeah their wiki is awesome. |
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| 06:50.38 | Dewi | why would 'ping' show ~250ms and 0% loss, but take 26 seconds to do 6 probes? |
| 06:50.39 | ChibaPet | It was particularly good in that it pulls in everything I'd read anywhere else. |
| 06:50.48 | Dewi | I don't think I've ever seen it do that before |
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| 06:51.03 | ChibaPet | Dewi: try it with -n ? |
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| 06:51.20 | Dewi | oh, does it not cache? |
| 06:51.25 | Dewi | I thought even the OS would cache... |
| 06:51.55 | Dewi | I guess maybe ping suppresses it |
| 06:51.56 | ChibaPet | It's the only thing that's come to mind at this hour. :P |
| 06:52.20 | mintgreen | 'root@deepblue:/home/deepblue #gpartedNo protocol specified(gpartedbin:5694): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0'how to fix that? |
| 06:52.48 | ChibaPet | mintgreen: you might run the command through sudo |
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| 06:53.12 | ChibaPet | mintgreen: root doesn't have access to your X display stuff, and while you could give it access, it's easier to cheat with sudo |
| 06:53.13 | HauM1 | why is http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/l/linux/linux_3.2.60-1+deb7u3_changelog missing? |
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| 06:53.36 | Dewi | ChibaPet: oh forward lookups are okay, the reverse lookups are terribl |
| 06:53.40 | Dewi | thanks |
| 06:53.45 | ChibaPet | Dewi: So, that was it? |
| 06:53.54 | ChibaPet | It's almost always a safe bet to blame DNS. |
| 06:54.00 | Dewi | so how do I find out what my upstream is? my machine seems infected with resolvconf :P |
| 06:54.14 | mintgreen | ChibaPet: root@deepblue:/home/deepblue #sudo gparted |
| 06:54.14 | mintgreen | No protocol specified |
| 06:54.14 | mintgreen | (gpartedbin:5715): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 |
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| 06:54.27 | themill | mintgreen: you want gksudo not sudo. |
| 06:54.28 | ChibaPet | mintgreen: You're running sudo from a root prompt there. Run it from your regular user prompt. |
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| 06:55.23 | ChibaPet | themill: I've often wondered what the difference is, since I seem to be able to sudo X things without issue. |
| 06:55.26 | themill | HauM1: changelogs for the security uploads don't make it into the metadata server until the next point release, unfortunately. The information about what is changed is in the correspnding DSA |
| 06:55.52 | HauM1 | themill: ic, thx |
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| 06:56.21 | themill | ChibaPet: gksudo makes sure the MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE is correctly exported to root, sudo just lets root use your current user's credentials and that can (and does) end badly with accidents like root owning your ~/..Xauthority |
| 06:56.34 | ChibaPet | Ah! Alright. |
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| 06:57.32 | ChibaPet | I've never had it do that to me, but I'll believe that it does, not least because gksudo exists. |
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| 06:57.51 | Zipf | Hello. I'm running Debian. I'm following a tutorial, i have 2 HD's on my debian. How can i check the exact path of sdb1 ? So i can add it corrent on samba settings ? |
| 06:57.58 | mintgreen | themill: it worked,thanx |
| 06:58.44 | Dewi | Zipf: sdb1 is a path, /dev/sdb1 |
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| 06:59.05 | Dewi | Zipf: are you trying to identify what partition is at that path, or....? |
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| 06:59.24 | ChibaPet | Good night, all. |
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| 07:00.36 | Zipf | Dewi i'm trying setup the 2nd drive as shared, so i can see it and access via windows |
| 07:01.21 | Zipf | Dewi if i add /dev/sdb1 under SAMBA settings it will work ? |
| 07:01.33 | Zipf | i mean, will it be visible from windows ? |
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| 07:01.56 | Dewi | Zipf: no, that's that block device rather than the filesystem, samba deals with filesystems |
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| 07:02.17 | Dewi | Zipf: this is over a network, right? |
| 07:02.31 | Dewi | Zipf: and the second drive has been recently connected to the system? |
| 07:03.08 | Dewi | Zipf: concentrate on getting the disk mounted locally first, before worrying about sharing it over the network |
| 07:03.12 | Zipf | yes, this is over network, i want the 2nd drive shared, the second drive been there since the debian install |
| 07:03.37 | Zipf | right now the disk is mounted |
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| 07:03.53 | Dewi | Zipf: what path is it mounted to? |
| 07:04.01 | Dewi | Zipf: that is the path samba needs |
| 07:04.54 | Dewi | full path should start with / |
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| 07:05.04 | Zipf | i don't know how to check it, i'm new to linux |
| 07:05.11 | Dewi | Zipf: type 'mount' to list all mounts |
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| 07:05.16 | Zipf | nv m |
| 07:05.26 | Dewi | or even: mount | grep sdb1 |
| 07:05.34 | Dewi | will tell you that one partition |
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| 07:06.02 | Zipf | ./dev/sdb1 on /media/DATA type ext4 |
| 07:06.10 | Judge | Hi everyone. Reading postgres docs, the recommended value for shared_buffers on systems with more than 1 GB of ram is 25% of overall ram. For my 32GB machine this is 8GB. Setting this for shared_buffers gives me "FATAL: invalid value for parameter "max_stack_depth": 524288 DETAIL: "max_stack_depth" must not exceed 7680kB. HINT: Increase the platform's stack depth limit via "ulimit -s" or local |
| 07:06.10 | Judge | equi". I've set the limits for "stack" to "unlimited" in /etc/security/limits.conf for postgres already, but still get this. Can somebody tell me where the problem is please? When I change the init-script to issue "ulimit -s unlimited", it works. But I do not feel good changing an init script which might be provided by future package updates and overwrite my changes ... is there a better way |
| 07:06.10 | Judge | to do this? |
| 07:06.31 | Dewi | Zipf: okay so you should be able to 'ls -l /media/DATA' and see your files |
| 07:06.41 | Dewi | Zipf: if that looks right, that is the path you want to give samba |
| 07:07.06 | Zipf | do i ls -l /media/DATA on terminal right ? |
| 07:07.22 | Dewi | yeah |
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| 07:07.41 | Zipf | yes |
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| 07:07.45 | Zipf | i can see |
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| 07:08.08 | Dewi | cool, so use that path in samba configuration. Are you using a tool for that or just editing the config file? |
| 07:08.27 | Zipf | i was about to config manually, i'm following a tutorial |
| 07:08.37 | Zipf | not sure if i'm allowed to post link or not |
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| 07:09.00 | Dewi | single line pastes are okay I think |
| 07:09.04 | Zipf | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/samba.htm |
| 07:09.10 | Zipf | that one i'm following |
| 07:09.45 | Dewi | heh, I can't actually see it because my network is so badly broken |
| 07:10.16 | Dewi | yeah so you want to use path=/media/DATA |
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| 07:10.29 | Dewi | should work okay if you don't run into permissions issues |
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| 07:10.38 | Zipf | no problem, but theorically i have to add that path /media/DATA under [SAMBA] path=/media/DATA |
| 07:10.45 | Zipf | thats correct ? |
| 07:11.36 | Dewi | Zipf: yes |
| 07:11.49 | Zipf | great, i'll try here and let ya know |
| 07:11.53 | Zipf | ty Dewi |
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| 07:15.38 | Dewi | anyone know of a way to diagnose network flakiness, like DNS flakiness? |
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| 07:17.28 | Stummi | Dewi, wireshark? |
| 07:17.44 | petern_ | Hmm, weird, RedHat still recommend massive amounts of swap on a system with lots of RAM. |
| 07:17.46 | Dewi | Stummi: good point, can it highlight errors? |
| 07:17.57 | petern_ | Not even sure why I have that page open, mind you :) |
| 07:18.15 | Stummi | Dewi, errors which can be detected on tcp-level, yes |
| 07:18.34 | petern_ | DNS isn't generally TCP... |
| 07:18.57 | Stummi | yeah, right |
| 07:19.00 | Dewi | wireshark can see that too, just need to figure out how to drill down to find errors |
| 07:19.20 | Dewi | but that's a great idea, thanks, generally this is so flaky and everything is cached so I don't see the failures twice |
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| 07:19.40 | Stummi | whats your actual problem? Don't you get an DNS reply at all? Timeout when trying to resolve something? Or an error message from your dnsd? |
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| 07:20.09 | Dewi | Stummi: just in web browser, every third link fails to load, facebook loads up with half the images broken, etc |
| 07:20.41 | Dewi | I tried some 'ping' and 'dig' and can't identify the issue |
| 07:20.58 | Dewi | because it resolves after a few attempts |
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| 07:21.33 | Dewi | everything's very slow too, and I'm not on wifi |
| 07:21.50 | Dewi | (ethernet -> dsl -> ...) |
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| 08:40.42 | utente | i have a PC with 2 LAN: eth0=1.1.1.1 and eth1=2.2.2.1. This pc is connected to 2 PC: PC_A=1.1.1.2 and PC_B=2.2.2.2. I want that PC_A can ping/ssh/ftp the PC_B. How to do it? what rule of iptables to set on the PC with 2 LAN? |
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| 08:44.55 | Porter | utente: after quick googling I found a tutorial which seems to do that: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 (sorry if you are behind that point already) |
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| 08:45.32 | utente | Porter, wow thanks. i was stuck on the problem |
| 08:45.44 | Porter | (I, personally, use a slim firewall distribution for this, on a dedicated embedded hardware box) |
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| 08:46.14 | petern_ | utente, for that you just need to enable ip forwarding and make sure PC_A and PC_B have appropriate routes. iptables is not needed. |
| 08:46.17 | utente | Porter, really? what do you user? there are some ncurses/web tool ready to use? |
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| 08:46.45 | krejsi | Hi, Im trying to preseed ubuntu, right now I have this as my partitioning http://paste.debian.net/112610/ . What is the meaning of "40 50 100 ext4" in the boot partition? |
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| 08:46.59 | dieko | ciaoooooo |
| 08:47.09 | utente | petern_, do you mean is enough "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
| 08:47.13 | dieko | !list |
| 08:47.13 | dpkg | dieko: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per saperne di più. |
| 08:47.25 | utente | petern_, do you mean is enough "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"? |
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| 08:47.47 | lpapp | hi, what keeps overriding my "sudo ifconfig eth1 up && sudo ip addr add 192.168.0.32/24 dev eth1 && sudo ip addr add 192.168.1.32/24 dev eth1"? |
| 08:47.58 | dieko | List! |
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| 08:48.03 | lpapp | I constantly lose the IP I gained, after a while. |
| 08:48.13 | petern_ | utente, yes |
| 08:48.18 | Porter | utente: I use "ipfire" to turn a small computer with two networkadapters into a diy-router, running 24/7 and providing VPN access. I am not familiar enough with the dephts of linux to build me such a system by myself, which definitely is possible on Debian too |
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| 08:49.14 | petern_ | lpapp, dhcp client or network manager? |
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| 08:50.00 | Porter | Good morning! I installed a new kernel (3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64) from backports. Today apper wants to install "linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64". I don't understand what exactly goes on here (and couldn't find anything online).. |
| 08:50.00 | lpapp | petern_: I do not know, but this is a usb-ethernet adapter I just plugged in. |
| 08:50.06 | lpapp | I have not configured anything for it yet. |
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| 08:50.16 | lpapp | my eth0 is configured for the local network. |
| 08:50.25 | utente | petern_, nece. But isuppose in that case the "pc-in-the-middle" just make al the traffic to pass form one eth tho the other, withoun any control. Athy the moment is exactly what i want, but in future (near futire) i need a more control, to add rules on connection (i.e. the www.name.com cannot be visited, and so on). THere are some .deb that provide fot this tiper pof ocntrol? |
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| 08:52.26 | abator | is that command ok to run on debian wheezy , dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
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| 08:53.14 | SynrGy | yes |
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| 08:53.56 | petern_ | utente, to do website blocking you will probably need to install a webproxy (squid3 perhaps) and add restrictions to sites there, and then require the hosts to use that proxy |
| 08:54.06 | utente | Porter, ipfire. thanks. i search for info about. |
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| 08:54.38 | utente | petern_, ok, i have to get skill on it. thanks for thre name, squid. i will read about. |
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| 08:55.26 | Porter | utente: Welcome! ipfire is a whole (different) distribution. Debian would be more flexible, as it's a complete server. ipfire is "limited" to be a router, basically |
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| 08:56.26 | utente | Porter, ah, i suppose ipfire is a .deb, not a distro :) ok, i delete it from the list |
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| 08:59.18 | utente | i go , bye and thanks. |
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| 09:01.01 | Porter | Sorry for repost. Any ideas on this behavior? "I installed a new kernel (3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64) from backports. Today apper wants to install "linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64". I don't understand what exactly goes on here (and couldn't find anything online).." |
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| 09:05.17 | babilen | Porter: You probably still have the older kernel installed and therefore get security updates. Mind pasting the output of: aptitude search '~i~n^linux-image' to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 09:05.34 | jeredepp | hello everyone, is it possible with backup-manager to upload directly over rsync instead of storing it temporarly on the host itself? |
| 09:05.47 | lpapp | no one? :( |
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| 09:06.42 | Porter | babilen: That's right, I didn't uninstall any (old) kernels.. So, installing this update, I will still have the backports-kernel available on grup just as expected, and be able to boot from it? I guess I answered my own question.. :-) |
| 09:06.42 | babilen | lpapp: Do you use network-manager or other tools to manage your interfaces? |
| 09:06.55 | lpapp | babilen: no |
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| 09:07.19 | babilen | Porter: Sure, you should. It's just that you *also* have a fully up-to-date 3.2 kernel :) |
| 09:07.27 | lpapp | babilen: ps aux | grep network-manager |
| 09:07.27 | lpapp | jenkins 13018 0.0 0.0 3552 764 pts/0 S+ 10:07 0:00 grep network-manager |
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| 09:07.54 | Porter | babilen: d'oh, it now makes much more sense! Thank you a lot! :-) |
| 09:07.56 | babilen | lpapp: fwiw, you shouldn't use ifconfig, but ip but that is not the issue here. |
| 09:07.57 | lpapp | but this process might be relevant: root 14120 0.0 0.0 5180 3004 ? S 10:07 0:00 /sbin/dhclient -d -4 -sf /usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action -pf /var/run/dhclient-eth1.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient-9d377492-c6bc-4571-a9de-c4e4d3381ede-eth1.lease -cf /var/run/nm-dhclient-eth1.conf eth1 |
| 09:08.12 | lpapp | babilen: yeah, I know that flamewar mantra ;) |
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| 09:09.37 | babilen | lpapp: Ah, you even use it for everything by bringing the interface up. Don't want to start any kind of war, but simply wanted to spread the gospel. I can't see anything wrong immediately so I am also not sure. Anything interesting in the usual logs? (syslog et al) |
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| 09:09.57 | babilen | Ah, so there is NetworkManager running |
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| 09:10.29 | babilen | lpapp: Do you want to manage that interface manually via /etc/network/interfaces or NetworkManager? |
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| 09:11.16 | lpapp | babilen: it would be nice to do that via the former. |
| 09:11.28 | babilen | former being /etc/network/interfaces or manually? |
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| 09:12.12 | babilen | Sorry, my question was ambigious. I meant: manually, via /etc/network/interfaces or NetworkManager? |
| 09:12.16 | lpapp | former being "manually via /etc/network/interfaces" |
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| 09:12.52 | lpapp | is it a good to use nm on a debian server at all? |
| 09:12.53 | babilen | Okay, so you don't want to use ip for that. In that case please just do that and configure it there and then activate it via "ifup eth1" -- NetworkManager won't manage any interfaces defined therein. |
| 09:13.11 | babilen | lpapp: I'd remove it. |
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| 09:13.18 | snassar | lpapp: you wouldn't want to use nm on a server. |
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| 09:13.24 | lpapp | if this server was installed by me, it would never have nm, never ever. |
| 09:13.29 | lpapp | but it was installed by my colleague ;) |
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| 09:13.55 | lpapp | snassar: exactly my thought, yeah. |
| 09:14.03 | babilen | snassar: I wouldn't say that either, but it just doesn't add anything right now AFAIK -- Later versions might ease a variety of tasks that might be relevant in a server/production setting as well. |
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| 09:15.44 | lpapp | babilen: the problem is that it is trying to be too smart. |
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| 09:15.53 | lpapp | it is ok for a newbie user, but for a server admin, it is hassle IMHO. |
| 09:15.55 | snassar | babilen: that's then and that's might be. |
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| 09:23.51 | babilen | lpapp: Yeah, I totally agree (we wouldn't think of using it on our boxes), but there might (and will) be some situations in which it makes sense to deploy it. |
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| 09:24.56 | babilen | I read a blog by one of the upstream developers and they are thinking about it, but admit that they'll play catch-up for a while and will have to ensure that no "magic" is bringing production boxes down :) |
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| 09:25.17 | babilen | Anwyay, burn it with fire on your boxes, lpapp, and you won't have that problem again :) |
| 09:25.25 | lpapp | I am sceptic if that can ever be reliably avoided. |
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| 09:26.34 | Walex | lpapp: the problem is not NM per se or that it is "too smart" and gets it wrong somtimes. The problem is that the UNIX/Linux way of configuring things is not designed to be mechanically manipulated, and therefore needs a lot of ad-hoc workarounds that go against its grain. |
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| 09:27.33 | lpapp | Walex: I tend to disagree I am afraid. Linux is inherently customizable at large... that is why it is so powerful in the embedded world. |
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| 09:27.52 | Walex | lpapp: if UNIX/Linux systems had been designed from the start to have complex, program-manipulation friendly configuration, things would be rather different, but it is too late for that. |
| 09:27.58 | lpapp | the fact that Ubuntu, NM, and other things are trying to be too smart is a real problem, unfortunately, getting more often than not in the way of a power user. |
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| 09:29.08 | Walex | lpapp: there is a gigantic difference between "customizable" by an ad-hoc process of manual editing by a person well aware of the corner cases, and configuration that is regular and well defined enough that it can be manipulated reliabily via some kind of automated system. |
| 09:29.12 | OpenTokix | lpapp: If you are a power user and have problems with nm.... I have some bad news, about the power part. |
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| 09:30.17 | sandman13 | gave Linux three months now I don't like other OS |
| 09:30.40 | lpapp | OpenTokix: meh, that deserves my ignore, sorry. |
| 09:30.58 | lpapp | (it is not in any way constructive) |
| 09:31.07 | OpenTokix | lpapp: It is still true |
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| 09:31.45 | lpapp | Walex: I honestly do not know what you mean. I have been configuring linux for several years on embedded without any issues, where such "smart tools" do not get in the way. |
| 09:31.55 | lpapp | (or even desktop: gentoo and archlinux) |
| 09:32.08 | lpapp | I do not see any design flaw there with Linux. |
| 09:32.20 | Walex | lpapp: lucky you :-) |
| 09:32.30 | lpapp | whereas I see the problem with the smart tools trying to get control over everything else. |
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| 09:37.15 | baboon` | hello, I'm looking around for a good password manager solution, that works accross machines, and possibly android as well. Right now I'm set on using KeepassX in conjuction with Seafile to share the encrypted db. Is there anything I missed? Can Seahorse be used instead? |
| 09:37.44 | babilen | baboon`: Keepass is fine, but you probably want the newer version that support version 2. |
| 09:38.35 | babilen | baboon`: They only make an alpha version available though: http://www.keepassx.org/news/2014/04/433 |
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| 09:38.58 | baboon` | babilen: yes I saw that, I might as well wait for the release |
| 09:39.14 | babilen | Sure, fwiw, I've been using it happily for a while now. |
| 09:40.09 | baboon` | babilen: how do you cope on your mobile phone? |
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| 09:41.02 | WD40 | hello, how can you setup sudo? |
| 09:41.29 | lpapp | babilen: thank you for the kind help./ |
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| 09:41.59 | babilen | baboon`: http://www.keepassdroid.com/ + git-annex |
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| 09:42.12 | baboon` | WD40: what do you want to do exactly? |
| 09:42.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell WD40 -about sudoers |
| 09:42.20 | lpapp | still getting this though: sudo ifup eth1 |
| 09:42.21 | lpapp | RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 09:42.21 | lpapp | Failed to bring up eth1. |
| 09:42.34 | lpapp | ah, wait, it is already up, strange. |
| 09:42.43 | babilen | lpapp: Did you bring it down before you do that? |
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| 09:42.47 | ftc- | just did a fresh install of jessie, and it just gives a blank screen with flashning cursor on boot. no grub or syslinux or anything. anyone know what the cause might be? grub notinstalled properly maybe? |
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| 09:43.05 | s4ndm4n | ftc-: did you remove the installation media? |
| 09:43.07 | lpapp | it is strange why ifdown could not bring it down though. |
| 09:43.11 | babilen | lpapp: Do you have a "auto eth1" in there or is it maybe still active from before? |
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| 09:43.30 | lpapp | babilen: sudo ifdown eth1 |
| 09:43.30 | lpapp | ifdown: interface eth1 not configured |
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| 09:43.40 | babilen | ftc-: Did you use a daily? (we neither recommend nor support those really) |
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| 09:43.57 | baboon` | babilen: and you can use git-annex on a public repo? |
| 09:44.15 | lpapp | this is my /etc/network/interfaces content: http://paste.kde.org/pqqoyzyez |
| 09:44.16 | baboon` | that sounds not so secure.. |
| 09:44.18 | babilen | lpapp: I am referring to "ip link set eth1 down" rather than "ifdown eth1" |
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| 09:45.59 | lpapp | babilen: that succeeded, thanks |
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| 09:46.08 | lpapp | yet, sudo ifup eth1 |
| 09:46.08 | lpapp | RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 09:46.09 | lpapp | Failed to bring up eth1. |
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| 09:46.18 | babilen | baboon`: You can use *any* third-party store you want with git-annex. It is an amazing tool and I can only recommend to take a look: http://git-annex.branchable.com/assistant/ (watch the video for a short overview of the GUI way) -- http://git-annex.branchable.com/walkthrough/ and http://git-annex.branchable.com/special_remotes/ + http://git-annex.branchable.com/encryption/ |
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| 09:48.11 | babilen | lpapp: Might be that some of your manually configured routes are still active |
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| 09:48.28 | lpapp | babilen: not sure |
| 09:48.44 | babilen | lpapp: Could you paste the output of "ip a" and "ip route" ? |
| 09:48.48 | lpapp | 'sudo ip link set eth1 up' succeeds |
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| 09:49.17 | babilen | lpapp: And you also purged network-manager by now, haven't you? |
| 09:49.27 | lpapp | babilen: http://paste.kde.org/p6ssjxjrl |
| 09:49.30 | lpapp | babilen: yeah, I did. |
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| 09:51.02 | babilen | lpapp: "gateway 0.0.0.0" ? |
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| 09:51.29 | lpapp | yes, no gateway since it is a direct connection between the target board and the server machine. |
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| 09:52.04 | babilen | Why do you set it then? Remove that gateway entry ... 0.0.0.0 is also typically "all interfaces" |
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| 09:52.13 | lpapp | (I got that confirmed from my desktop machine that it oughta be alright) |
| 09:52.34 | babilen | I am, to be honest, not entirely sure what it would mean in this context |
| 09:52.36 | lpapp | well, 0.0.0.0 works between the target board and my Archlinux desktop, but let me remove it. |
| 09:52.47 | lpapp | 0.0.0.0 means there is no gateway. |
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| 09:52.58 | lpapp | just 0.0.0.0 means there is no broadcast. |
| 09:53.29 | babilen | ah :) |
| 09:53.34 | lpapp | still failure with that line. |
| 09:53.44 | lpapp | the strange t hing is that 'sudo ip link set eth1 up' succeeds |
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| 09:54.48 | babilen | "ifup eth1" does a lot more (it setups routes, hence my suspicion that you have a clashing route there, and I guess it is "default via 192.168.3.254 dev eth0 proto static" that clashes with your "gateway 0.0.0.0" setting |
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| 09:55.02 | babilen | Ah, that's for eth0 |
| 09:55.06 | lpapp | strangely enough, ifup does not have a verbose option either. :( |
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| 09:55.27 | babilen | yet you have no configuration for eth0 |
| 09:55.49 | babilen | Sorry, I don't understand your network configuration |
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| 09:56.12 | Benedict | hi, how do I force my system clock to update? |
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| 09:56.33 | lpapp | babilen: even with --force, it fails, lol |
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| 09:57.04 | babilen | Might want to wait a little and then find someone else who can figure it out. ##networking will probably see it in a heartbeat, but I have no idea why you have default routes for eth0 even though you don't seem to have that interface configured in /etc/network/interfaces (guess it is clashing between eth0 and eth1) |
| 09:57.34 | lpapp | babilen: I would like to remind you that eth0 was brought up by nm and dhcp. |
| 09:57.44 | babilen | lpapp: It might make sense to flush the interfaces as I am not sure what configuration might linger |
| 09:58.08 | Epakai | Benedict: run a program like ntpdate to grab time from a timeserver, if you meant the hardware clock there is 'hwclock' |
| 09:58.43 | babilen | lpapp: So, bring it down, stop dhclient, flush everything (ip addr flush dev eth0 ; ip addr flush dev eth1), remove all routes and then try again. |
| 09:58.44 | Benedict | whatever clock 'date' runs on |
| 09:58.54 | babilen | dpkg: ntpdate |
| 09:58.54 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Debian 5.0 "Lenny", ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
| 09:59.01 | babilen | Epakai, Benedict ^^^ |
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| 09:59.17 | lpapp | babilen: but before that, I need to configure eth0, too? |
| 09:59.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell Benedict about ntp |
| 09:59.33 | babilen | lpapp: If you want eth0 to be configured, then yeah .. sure |
| 10:00.00 | lpapp | I am happy with dhcpc there. |
| 10:00.05 | lpapp | isn't that the default on debian? |
| 10:00.38 | babilen | lpapp: And please keep in mind that you can only have *one* default gateway in your setup. The gateway you set for eth1 is now clashing with the default gateway for eth0 (which is why the "file" already exits) |
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| 10:01.12 | babilen | lpapp: You would still need "auto eth0" + "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 10:01.18 | lpapp | babilen: I am not sure if that is correct an assumption. This works this way on my desktop. You mean it is some debian specialty? |
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| 10:01.47 | ftc- | babilen: i used the alpha 1 installer, which was recommended on the debian website. yep removed the install media (usb stick), and i'm usng the bios boot selection menu to specifically boot the ssd i installed to. i also specified that drive for grubto install to (it was /dev/sdd in the installer) |
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| 10:02.44 | s4ndm4n | is pytyle available for Debian? |
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| 10:02.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell ftc- -about testing installer |
| 10:03.05 | s4ndm4n | I have searched the repos but seems like it's not there |
| 10:03.14 | babilen | ftc-: How did you create/write the usb stick? |
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| 10:03.23 | lpapp | babilen: "sudo ip addr flush dev eth0 ; sudo ip addr flush dev eth1" got stuck without returning :/ |
| 10:03.40 | babilen | lpapp: You can have gateways for different networks naturally |
| 10:03.41 | lpapp | babilen: I guess it is because I obviously lost the ssh connection. :/ |
| 10:03.42 | ftc- | netubootin on windows |
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| 10:04.07 | lpapp | babilen: so I locked myself out now and I have to reboot the server with the reset button in the server room? |
| 10:04.15 | lpapp | I was using eth0 for the ssh connection... |
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| 10:04.40 | petern_ | Or ssh from a machine on the same subnet. |
| 10:04.47 | petern_ | Or... use the keyboard. |
| 10:04.52 | babilen | lpapp: I guess that you have to do that. Bringing down the interface you use for connecting to the box is, well, suboptimal. |
| 10:05.06 | babilen | ftc-: unetbootin breaks our installers, please use win32diskimager |
| 10:05.07 | lpapp | babilen: well, you advised to flush it ;) |
| 10:05.46 | babilen | lpapp: Please don't stop thinking ... I had no idea :-/ |
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| 10:06.10 | babilen | Sorry for that, hope your out-of-band works (or that the datacentre is not too far away) |
| 10:06.27 | ftc- | babilen: oh ok. so it makes sense that the install would fully complete, but not boot when done?? |
| 10:06.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell ftc- -about usb install |
| 10:06.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell ftc- -about fixmbr |
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| 10:07.09 | babilen | ftc-: All you need might be to repair the clusterfuck that unetbootin typically causes. Try to follow the fixmbr instructions the bot just sent you. |
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| 10:07.44 | babilen | ftc-: Yes, that is a typical syndrome of the unetbootin fuckup as it messes up the way grub-install is being done |
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| 10:09.11 | babilen | lpapp: "ip rule show" would probably also be of interest once you have revived the box. |
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| 10:10.32 | ftc- | babilen: ok thanks for the help.. yeah i never have any luck with usb booting. is writing the iso directly with dd the best bet? |
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| 10:11.27 | babilen | ftc-: You cannot do that on Windows. And on Linux you should just use "cp theimage.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and your usb stick, cf. "dmesg|tail -n42" after plugging it in) |
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| 10:12.02 | ftc- | babilen: yeah in linux. ok cool thanks for that. |
| 10:12.13 | babilen | dd has horrible syntax and is slower by default (as it doesn't dynamically scale the blocksize). And, as you are copying the *entire* file (no offsets, ...) anyway there is no reason to use dd |
| 10:12.37 | ftc- | ah ok |
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| 10:13.56 | babilen | dd has not "magic powers" or anything like that and cp can copy entire disks, partitions, .. just fine. (everything is a file) -- One needs dd if one wants to express things like "copy three blocks of size 512 bytes from /dev/sda with an offset of 256 blocks" (contrived example) |
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| 10:15.29 | ftc- | ah yeah |
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| 10:21.42 | lpapp | babilen: I do not blame you. |
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| 10:21.53 | lpapp | babilen: I rebooted the machine, but it did not bring the interfaces up though. |
| 10:22.06 | lpapp | got a clue why that can happen? ifup eth0/1 worked manually though, but not automatically |
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| 10:22.17 | lpapp | so we could not connect the server after a reboot without bringing the interfaces up manually. |
| 10:22.19 | babilen | lpapp: Well, you had only configured eth1 in your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:22.29 | lpapp | babilen: nope, I put eth0 there. |
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| 10:22.43 | babilen | Both with "auto ethX" ? |
| 10:22.56 | lpapp | yep |
| 10:22.57 | lpapp | auth eth0 |
| 10:22.57 | lpapp | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 10:22.57 | lpapp | auto eth1 |
| 10:22.58 | lpapp | ... |
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| 10:23.04 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 10:24.06 | tp43_ | Hi, how can I permanently add some path variables? export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/go/bin; export GOPATH=/home/j/Hm/Go; export PATH=$PATH:/home/j/Hm/Go/bin; |
| 10:24.38 | babilen | tp43_: Edit your ~/.bashrc and export them there |
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| 10:25.16 | tp43_ | babilen, just append it at the bottom of the file? |
| 10:25.37 | babilen | tp43_: I'd use something like http://paste.debian.net/112623/ (check if directory exists and properly escape variables) for each of those directories |
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| 10:27.26 | tp43_ | babilen, I have it in /home/j/Hm/Go |
| 10:27.44 | tp43_ | so I have just replace ${HOME} in that script with /home/j/Hm/Go right? |
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| 10:28.20 | babilen | tp43_: Yeah, I have http://paste.debian.net/112624/ in ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_env |
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| 10:28.40 | lpapp | babilen: sudo ifup -a |
| 10:28.53 | lpapp | that returns zero when running manually, and based on man interfaces, it is run automatically on boot. |
| 10:29.05 | lpapp | btw, 1-3 lines pasting is kick-worthy in this room? |
| 10:29.17 | babilen | lpapp: auth != auto |
| 10:29.37 | babilen | lpapp: We've already established in private that you wrote five lines in fast succession |
| 10:29.40 | lpapp | ah, good catch, thanks. |
| 10:29.48 | lpapp | babilen: yeah, 3 was paste |
| 10:30.04 | lpapp | that is usually the acceptable range on IRC in my one decade experience |
| 10:30.18 | lpapp | people have not liked pastes with only 1-3 lines as it is too distractive. |
| 10:30.20 | babilen | lpapp: There is no way to differentiate and please lets just drop this |
| 10:30.21 | themill | except it was 5 |
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| 10:30.39 | babilen | lpapp: You had five lines as I mentioned in private and it is not worth to go into this. |
| 10:30.44 | lpapp | themill: I am happy to see you knowing more how many lines I pasted... |
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| 10:30.56 | themill | let us know when you actually want help |
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| 11:02.29 | themill | brontosaurusrex: no, there's a javascript PDF renderer that's been around for a while now |
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| 11:02.53 | brontosaurusrex | is that what iceweasel is using? |
| 11:02.56 | themill | yes |
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| 11:03.39 | themill | Sometimes it even manages to correctly render a PDF in less than 500MB RAM too. Sometimes the browser with a pile of javascript is the wrong tool for the job. |
| 11:04.37 | tralala | s/Sometimes/Most of the time/ |
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| 11:05.45 | brontosaurusrex | themill, so it could be problematic in certain cases? |
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| 11:06.32 | themill | I frequently find that it's not as good as okular at rendering the PDF. |
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| 11:07.05 | brontosaurusrex | seems better than evince |
| 11:07.22 | brontosaurusrex | and more usefull that mupdf |
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| 11:31.33 | bagel` | I ran apt-get update;apt-get upgrade -- one of the packages it wanted to update was grub. the machine is a software raid1 (with 2 TB x 2) so when it got to grub it asked me if i wanted to keep the local version of /etc/default/grub or if i wanted to overwrite with the maintainers version. so i chose to keep the local version. but now im at this prompt: http://i.imgur.com/HRtBgeK.png ? should i check box all 3 or just the last one? I see in /boot/grub/grub.cf |
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| 11:35.15 | brontosaurusrex | and what is chrome using for pdf? |
| 11:35.28 | brontosaurusrex | I see chromium lacks it, whatever it is |
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| 11:38.55 | elichai2 | there is more versions of Firefox except iceweasel? |
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| 11:40.11 | BluesKaj | bagel`, install grub to /dev/sda |
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| 11:41.35 | bagel` | BluesKaj i picked /dev/md2 first , it failed. so i check boxed both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb and it worked. thanks for responding appreciate it |
| 11:41.42 | bagel` | so ill assume it should reboot fine |
| 11:41.55 | banjo | elichai2: icecat and still some 'wrappers' like conkeror |
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| 11:42.20 | BluesKaj | bagel`, once you reboot run, sudo update-grub |
| 11:42.34 | bagel` | you mean before i reboot right, but yea ran that |
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| 11:43.24 | elichai2 | banjo: there is no orginal official version of firefox to linux, am i right? |
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| 11:43.41 | BluesKaj | once you are booted into the login then drop to a tty/vt , and update-grub |
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| 11:44.04 | tralala | elichai2, you're wrong. There is official linux version at mozilla.org |
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| 11:46.59 | elichai2 | tralala: so why it's not build in the debian repo?! |
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| 11:47.37 | tralala | dpkg, why iceweasel |
| 11:47.37 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg> <iceweasel vs firefox>. |
| 11:48.34 | tralala | elichai2, ^ that's why |
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| 11:59.44 | elichai2 | tralala: really?! because a fucking license?! |
| 11:59.58 | elichai2 | there is any external repo that got mozilla firefox? |
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| 12:00.30 | Brigo | elichai2, yes, in mozilla home page |
| 12:00.44 | tralala | elichai2, you can download static binaries from mozilla |
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| 12:02.49 | themill | or you can stop worrying about the icon. |
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| 12:07.40 | johk | hi |
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| 12:09.46 | johk | I have problems configuring a network printer in jessie, I use cups to BrowsePoll the printers from a server. I can see all the printers in the cups webinterface (localhost:631). Yet the preference panel for the printer configuration in KDE only shows errors, or doesn't start at all. I can set up a printer for lpr, but the printer doesn't show up in any gui application. |
| 12:09.51 | johk | help? |
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| 12:21.10 | Slashman_ | hello, I'm trying to understand if the issue https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754197 is fixed with the latest kernel 3.2.60-1+deb7u3, I'm not familiar with the debian bug tracker and I want to be sure, any help? |
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| 12:27.06 | heurist | Slashman_: bts does not mention it being fixed on that page. but does not mention u3 either, try it and see. |
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| 12:28.25 | Slashman_ | heurist: the issue is that I don't have a lab available to test it and I obviously don't want to try in in production where it might break down connectivity :'( |
| 12:29.07 | heurist | Slashman_: track down the changelog, look there. |
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| 12:33.18 | Slashman_ | heurist: apt-get changelog linux-image-amd64 seems to end in 2012 |
| 12:33.19 | petern_ | Slashman_, http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3557/ < seems to be |
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| 12:33.37 | Skyrider | Greetings everyone. |
| 12:33.46 | petern_ | Well, different report number. Hmm. |
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| 12:34.15 | Slashman_ | petern_: you're right, that's it: "Revert "net: ipv4: ip_forward: fix inverted local_df test"" |
| 12:34.31 | Slashman_ | heurist, petern_ : thank you for your time |
| 12:34.47 | heurist | Slashman_: well http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/l/linux/ lists u1, but not the later ones. bit of a pain really. |
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| 12:37.57 | Slashman_ | heudebeu: last change I see is for 3.2.57-3 at http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/l/linux/stable_changelog |
| 12:38.06 | Slashman_ | heurist: last change I see is for 3.2.57-3 at http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/l/linux/stable_changelog |
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| 12:38.38 | Slashman_ | but whatever, I know it's in the latest kernel now :) |
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| 12:39.21 | Skyrider | I've never created a mail server before on my VPS.. Seeing google/hotmail no longer has a free custom domain/mail service.. I'm planning to create my own mail server for personal reasons. |
| 12:39.40 | heurist | Slashman_: and linux_3.2.60-1+deb7u1 but that is the one that apparently broke things, linux_3.2.60-1+deb7u3 is not there, but petern_'s link had it. |
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| 12:40.25 | petern_ | heurist, changelogs for security updates don't appear there. |
| 12:40.45 | heurist | petern_: where do they appear though? |
| 12:41.07 | petern_ | Well, they're in the packages themselves. |
| 12:42.52 | Slashman_ | petern_: isn't apt-get changelog the correct way to access those? |
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| 12:47.21 | Skyrider | Can anyone share me some tips / give a name of a good mail server? |
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| 12:49.42 | petern_ | Debian defaults to exim, should be reasonable. |
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| 12:51.16 | ntz | hello |
| 12:52.05 | ntz | how do I list a possible update candidates in 6.0.9 ? logged in on productional server and don't want to break something .. I don't use debian very much (or rather at all) .. |
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| 12:52.23 | ntz | already did `apt-cache update' |
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| 12:52.55 | ntz | I meant apt-get update |
| 12:52.56 | babilen | ntz: You want "apt-get update" followed by "aptitude search '~U'" |
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| 12:53.50 | ntz | babilen: thanks .. didn't know ~U .. nice |
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| 12:54.11 | ntz | trying to resolve, why we have in logs now (not before) bunch of messages like this: |
| 12:54.14 | ntz | Jul 29 15:09:22 servis kernel: [5964687.413037] snmpstatus[32280]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000401a5f sp 00007fff5675be00 error 4 in snmpstatus[400000+3000] |
| 12:54.26 | babilen | Before what? |
| 12:54.49 | babilen | Skyrider: A good alternative to exim4 would be postfix |
| 12:54.57 | ntz | just before .. |
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| 12:55.26 | ntz | babilen: snmpstatus now segfaults and I yet don't know why, what changed recently |
| 12:55.43 | ntz | trying to find out |
| 12:56.05 | babilen | ntz: Could you paste/take a look at /var/log/apt/history.log and correlate that with your imprecise notion of "before" and "after" ? |
| 12:56.24 | ntz | yes, thanks, good point .. |
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| 12:56.47 | ntz | babilen: may I ask .. what exactly means "A" from the output of your command ? |
| 12:57.10 | ntz | eg there is `i A $pkgname ......' and `i $pkgname .....' |
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| 12:58.02 | babilen | It means that it was automatically installed (to satisfy a dependency) -- What does "dpkg -S $(which snmpstatus)" and "apt-cache policy snmp" give you? |
| 12:58.26 | petern_ | win 18 |
| 12:58.31 | petern_ | adds a / |
| 12:58.35 | babilen | lose / |
| 12:58.37 | OpenTokix | petern_: ;) |
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| 12:59.05 | ntz | babilen: both looks normally .. |
| 12:59.12 | ntz | so problem will be elswhere |
| 12:59.24 | babilen | Yes, please paste the requested information somewhere |
| 12:59.39 | babilen | (e.g. http://paste.debian.net or http://refheap.com ) |
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| 13:00.02 | ntz | babilen: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/59066762 |
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| 13:01.11 | ntz | anyway, the last resort is strace :P .. so probably time to set free the beast .. |
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| 13:02.54 | babilen | mmh, squeeze |
| 13:03.06 | babilen | ntz: What about /var/log/apt/history.log ? |
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| 13:04.26 | ntz | babilen: yes, thanks .. I'm looking in there already, you noted it |
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| 13:04.52 | babilen | Yes, I know, but I haven't seen it :) |
| 13:05.31 | ntz | babilen: i think that's not necessary ..I can do it all alone :) and will show you just in case of something unclear |
| 13:06.00 | ntz | babilen: there's not any point, that something affecting snmp changed in past year ;) |
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| 13:23.17 | ntz | babilen: omg, I know why I'd not use debian http://susepaste.org/view/raw/8268240 |
| 13:23.52 | ntz | the format of history.log is sick :D .. can't be parsed like csv and also the provided information is rather none of value |
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| 13:24.27 | Stummi | the most logfiles can't be parsed as CSV |
| 13:24.31 | ntz | babilen: but why am I show it ... segfaulting started happening recently so I dare to say that this record should have nothing to do with that |
| 13:25.21 | jordanm | ntz: yeah, we need journald support |
| 13:25.45 | unclezipper | Maybe someone with more experience in enterprise hardware can answer this... How do multi-node servers like this > http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-c6105/pd < work? Does the backplane route different hard drives to different nodes? |
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| 13:27.27 | themill | ntz: it's a pseudo rfc-822 format just like most other useful files that apt or dpkg deal with (and there are plenty of good tools for parsing that format if needed) |
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| 13:27.58 | ntz | themill: show me one ;) |
| 13:28.18 | etheraap | Hi guys, a question; on my wheezy server i configured openvpn with the following subnet; 10.50.0.0 255.255.248.0, the vpn gateway is automatically at 10.50.0.1, is there any way to change the gateway ( for instance to 10.50.2.1) |
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| 13:28.59 | ntz | not unless the gateway is on same segment |
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| 13:29.26 | heurist | ntz: that is a /21 so it is on the same segment. |
| 13:29.45 | etheraap | indeed |
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| 13:30.02 | heurist | etheraap: you can configure all that in openvpn configs, read the docs. |
| 13:30.16 | themill | ntz: for instance, all packages upgraded this month: ython -c"from debian import deb822; print [e['Upgrade'] for e in deb822.Deb822.iter_paragraphs(open('/var/log/apt/history.log')) if e['Start-Date'].startswith('2014-07')]" |
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| 13:30.16 | unclezipper | ntz: Maybe you want something like lire? |
| 13:30.26 | DammitJim | man, is there a way to have seamless connectivity from wifi to eth? |
| 13:30.33 | ntz | heurist: I overlooked that he has there also netmask |
| 13:30.45 | DammitJim | like if one is in a conference room and uses wifi, then goes back to one's desk to hook up to eth0 |
| 13:30.50 | etheraap | heurist: mkay, i could not find it in the docs, but i'll take a deeper look. |
| 13:31.03 | ntz | themill: thanks :) |
| 13:32.00 | unclezipper | DammitJim: Bridging interfaces like this |
| 13:32.02 | unclezipper | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/howto-bridge-wireless-and-wired-network-interfaces-369455/#post1882981 |
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| 13:36.42 | heurist | DammitJim: you can also use bonding. |
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| 13:39.16 | DammitJim | Bond |
| 13:39.18 | DammitJim | James Bond |
| 13:39.42 | heurist | DammitJim: modinfo bonding |
| 13:39.48 | DammitJim | thanks |
| 13:39.54 | DammitJim | modinfo bonding, got it |
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| 13:40.20 | Skyrider | Looks like setting up a mail server isn't quite.. a 1,2,3 step thingy. |
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| 13:40.36 | heurist | DammitJim: "no, mister wifi. I expect you to bond" ? |
| 13:41.16 | unclezipper | Skyrider: Go get some of your alcohol of choice before you attempt it; you'll be on it for a while |
| 13:41.30 | Skyrider | :p lol |
| 13:41.32 | unclezipper | Skyrider: I recommend Postfix/Dovecot IMAP |
| 13:41.41 | heurist | Skyrider: try postfix or exim for for smtp, and dovecot for imap nd pop3 |
| 13:41.43 | Skyrider | What about the webmin mail feature? I just noticed it is included? |
| 13:42.01 | Skyrider | "sendmail" to be specific. |
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| 13:42.12 | Skyrider | Or is that merely for sending only. |
| 13:42.32 | unclezipper | If you're asking about webmail, use Roundcube |
| 13:42.38 | heurist | Skyrider: for webmail you need a web server, apache is popular, then you run a website on it, squirrelmail is popular, as is roundcube. |
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| 13:43.00 | Skyrider | I prefer nginx :) |
| 13:43.09 | Skyrider | Besides, I got everything (control panel, nginx, sql, etc) running. |
| 13:43.11 | heurist | Skyrider: none of these webmail program are a mail server though, you need to set that up too. |
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| 13:43.53 | heurist | Skyrider: whatever web server you like. there are choices and they do not impact each other much. |
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| 13:45.24 | Skyrider | Well, seeing I don't have much time on my hands atm.. I assume no one knows a fancy site that can host mail for me on a custom domain. |
| 13:45.32 | Skyrider | besides gmail/hotmail, heh. |
| 13:45.59 | paul_grozav | Hello, any ideeas how to define multiple suexec docroots ? I have multiple users each having it's site, like : /home/user1/public_html and /home/user2/public_html and so on, and I'd like to allow scripts from their public_html run as their user, how can I do this? I installed apache2-suexec-custom but /etc/apache2/suexec/www-data only allows one docroot to be defined |
| 13:46.02 | heurist | Skyrider: you mean for free? not really anymore. |
| 13:46.04 | surf | hi guys today I noticed by looking at my friend's mac how the scroll is smooth on that machine in respect to my debian machine. Is there any way to have a smoother scroll? When I scroll a page it seems that it lags (I see horizontal lines in the half of the monitor for some fraction of seconds..) |
| 13:46.14 | Skyrider | figured much, meh. |
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| 13:47.39 | idioterna | hi, i'm trying to figure out how to install the latest available debian kernel |
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| 13:47.48 | paul_grozav | surf: Perhaps using a better video card driver could help |
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| 13:48.26 | idioterna | i have a machine with a btrfs filesystem and want to run the latest available stuff |
| 13:49.30 | musca | !bdo kernel |
| 13:49.31 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 13:49.53 | musca | !kernels |
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| 13:50.02 | musca | ,kernels |
| 13:50.03 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.16-rc6-686-pae (3.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.13-2); jessie: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.12-1); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.12-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 13:50.27 | unclezipper | Skyrider: There are some companies who host Roundcube webmail as well as SMTP/IMAP servers for you. I don't know of any right off though |
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| 13:51.13 | Skyrider | Thanks I'll check it out |
| 13:51.14 | unclezipper | Skyrider: Basically all you have to do is change your MX record to point at their server and you're good to go |
| 13:51.15 | surf | paul_grozav, I'm running i915 on a HD4400 (thinkpad t440s) |
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| 13:53.04 | greathector7 | hello i need help in a machine with linux debian and cups |
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| 13:55.14 | heurist | dpkg: tell greathector7 about ask |
| 13:56.14 | greathector7 | i work in a gubernamental in venezuela and did migrate |
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| 14:01.49 | Wes- | Hey, all -- ltrace is hanging on me, running Debian multi-arch....I have an armhf distro but an armel toolchain. Hangs as soon as it hits the first library function. Is there a known work-around or place I should be looking? |
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| 14:05.53 | deja_vuu | hey what the fuck |
| 14:05.54 | deja_vuu | i just got a pm |
| 14:05.56 | deja_vuu | <Metaleer> are you tired of niggers? tired of their moonshine? So are we! Join us on ChimpOut forums! We're not white supremacists, the owner is Mexican! |
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| 14:11.10 | greathector7 | excuseme my boss call me |
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| 14:11.46 | greathector7 | i need permision a user stop and restart a printer |
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| 14:11.56 | greathector7 | without pass of root |
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| 14:13.14 | idioterna | musca: thanks |
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| 14:14.11 | greathector7 | how i do that |
| 14:15.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell greathector7 -about sudoers |
| 14:15.25 | greathector7 | i think what agregate user to cups group are fine but the group cups do not exist |
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| 14:15.37 | themill | greathector7: adding the user to the "lpadmin" group should be enough. If they're using the web interface adding them to the group is immediate; if they're using the command line then they need to log out and log back in |
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| 14:16.14 | babilen | greathector7: But then it *really* depends on what you mean by "stop and restart a printer". It sounds as if you require physical access to the printer to do so. If you are talking about CUPS and printer management therein you would have to do something else. |
| 14:16.31 | babilen | Ah, themill covered that part already |
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| 14:17.41 | greathector7 | ok ok i try out and telling you now |
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| 14:22.24 | mike-burns | I just did a dist-upgrade and now my displays are acting up. I'm on jessie. Is this an OK place to talk through some debugging? |
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| 14:23.21 | babilen | mike-burns: You want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 14:23.23 | jhutchins | mike-burns: Sure, although you're more likely to find jessie specific knowledge in #debian-next on oftc.net, and it does sound like a jessie specific problem. |
| 14:23.37 | jhutchins | !es |
| 14:23.37 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 14:23.42 | mike-burns | I'll try there. THanks, babilen and jhutchins ! |
| 14:23.42 | babilen | mike-burns: And please paste your /var/log/apt/history.log and give us the link (there) |
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| 14:25.07 | caraconan | Hi there. I have Debian Wheezy, and I would swear that I had an "alsa" executable to do a "sudo alsa reload". Any help about how to unload/load all the sound related kernel modules with one command? Thanks |
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| 14:27.49 | petn-randall | Hi everyone, is there a way to determine the amount of write-back cache has on a RAID controller? |
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| 14:31.28 | shafire | hi, when is /etc/fstab called? Can I run a command before /etc/fstab will be executed? |
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| 14:32.59 | jordanm | shafire: what version of debian? |
| 14:33.06 | shafire | 7 |
| 14:33.13 | petn-randall | shafire: /etc/fstab is not "executed", it's a config file. |
| 14:33.30 | shafire | which init.d file reads this config file? |
| 14:33.37 | shafire | I want to mount something before it |
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| 14:34.04 | petn-randall | shafire: Describe your actual problem, it sounds like an XY problem to me. |
| 14:34.41 | shafire | I want to load a flashcache device that I am using in /etc/fstab |
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| 15:03.29 | elichai2 | any diffrence between Firefox and Iceweasel? |
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| 15:04.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell elichai2 -about why iceweasel |
| 15:04.36 | babilen | elichai2: It's a different name and we ship some patches |
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| 15:04.56 | babilen | (also Iceweasel is supported and integrates with other parts of the system while Firefox doesn't) |
| 15:05.12 | babilen | See also http://mozilla.debian.net for newer packages if *that* is why you ask. |
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| 15:05.38 | elichai2 | babilen: other parts of the system like what? |
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| 15:06.32 | elichai2 | about the newer versions i'm running Jessie so... |
| 15:06.35 | aamirm | Hello, Debian takes too long to boot up after a recent upgrade. Relevant line from dmesg is: |
| 15:06.40 | babilen | Debian alternatives (and xdg-open due to that), plugin installers (e.g. flash), ... |
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| 15:06.57 | aamirm | [ 40.352063] Adding 7811068k swap on /dev/sda8. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:7811068k |
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| 15:07.41 | aamirm | Whats the problem? |
| 15:07.41 | elichai2 | babilen: Iceweasel and firefox uses the same version code? |
| 15:07.51 | aamirm | I am Debian Sid btw. |
| 15:07.56 | aamirm | +on |
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| 15:11.25 | elichai2 | ok, other question :P, anyone here on sid? |
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| 15:11.37 | jhutchins | aamirm: Recent updates in sid are unlikely to be well known in the stable community. You might get more information in #debian-next on oftc.net. |
| 15:12.03 | jhutchins | aamirm: Try reverting the update and see if the problem persists. If it does, running sid obligates you to report bugs. |
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| 15:12.56 | jhutchins | aamirm: Sorry, I mean if it doesn't. If it does it's likely to be a hardware problem. Check your disks. |
| 15:13.00 | mtn | elichai2: testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
| 15:13.26 | elichai2 | mtn: seriously? |
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| 15:13.47 | mtn | elichai2: read the topic. |
| 15:13.50 | elichai2 | not if freenode? |
| 15:13.53 | aamirm | jhutchins: Ok, thanks. :) |
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| 15:14.14 | mtn | elichai2: all the official debian channels are on oftc.net |
| 15:14.23 | iveevue | Why is #debian-next on oftc? |
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| 15:14.30 | iveevue | Ah |
| 15:14.39 | iveevue | ic, so this isnt official? |
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| 15:15.31 | jhutchins | iveevue: Many people never followed the migration to irc.debian.net/oftc.net, so this remains an official channel. |
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| 15:16.08 | jhutchins | There are about twice as many users here as there are in oftc.net/#deiban. |
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| 15:16.59 | elichai2 | mtn: ok.... :\ |
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| 15:18.07 | elichai2 | mtn: Irssi: Connection lost to irc.oftc.net :\ port 6667? |
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| 15:31.11 | v0tick | babilen: Hey I'm back and installing debian. On the partition page, I'm thinking of doing manual partition and following the scheme shown here: http://catdevblog.nickbair.net/2010/10/30/a-good-ssdhdd-partitioning-scheme/ |
| 15:31.22 | v0tick | babilen: I've got a 64gig SSD and 1terabyte HDD |
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| 15:31.35 | dbn231 | after i login to my system i get a "Last login" line and below it some output that looks like uname -a. is there any way to change that or disable it? it's not /etc/motd or /etc/issue |
| 15:31.40 | v0tick | babilen: Oh, and I may dual boot a windows distro in the future, if it is required. |
| 15:32.56 | frostschutz | v0tick, that scheme sucks |
| 15:33.05 | dbn231 | windows distro? lol |
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| 15:34.07 | v0tick | frostschutz: Oh it does? I'm not too sure of what to look for dbn: Yeah, like windows 8/7. I suppose windows doesn't call them distros |
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| 15:34.58 | elichai2 | whats the lightest 'out-terminal' irc client that exist for linux? |
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| 15:35.15 | PunIntended | v0tick: Do you want to pay for software ? |
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| 15:35.48 | v0tick | PunIntended: Uh, well naturally with debian I'll be taking advantage of the various opensource material |
| 15:35.52 | trewas | v0tick: separate /usr never makes any sense, separate /var is also useless unless it is a server where you know there will lot of logs etc |
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| 15:36.46 | v0tick | trewas: If they are not partitioned separately, where exactly do these directories go? |
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| 15:37.04 | trewas | v0tick: on / of course |
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| 15:37.26 | v0tick | trewas: Oh, yeah forgot about that. |
| 15:38.02 | v0tick | trewas: But if I were to have another linux setup such as mint for example, it would also have /, and that would be potentially confused with debian's? |
| 15:38.16 | phealy | v0tick: nope, they'd be separate partitions. |
| 15:38.49 | frostschutz | v0tick, you want /home on SSD. Seriously. What's the point of the SSD if you don't use it for your stuff. |
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| 15:38.52 | phealy | they'd (need to) be separate partitions, that is. |
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| 15:39.55 | v0tick | phealy: That makes sense. I guess the OS's just have a way of figuring out which partitions are for them and which belong to other distro. frostschutz: I thought SSD's were for quick loading of programs, so for use in /usr and such |
| 15:40.36 | v0tick | frostschutz: So with a terabyte HDD (I could save 200-300gigs for another OS), I can store home contents there. |
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| 15:41.26 | frostschutz | v0tick, SSD is for both. programs use /home a lot. configs, caches, mails, etc. etc. may be all in your home. |
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| 15:41.34 | phealy | v0tick: if you look at /etc/fstab, you'll either have a like that looks like "/dev/sdaX / ext4 <morestuff>" or a line that looks like "UUID=<long uuid> / ext4 <morestuff>" - either of those uniquely identify that partition on your system |
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| 15:41.57 | frostschutz | v0tick, you can't fill a 64G SSD anyway, if you use 16G for / (anything besides home) it will usually be plenty for a desktop system |
| 15:42.22 | phealy | v0tick: what I've done in the past is put /home on SSD, then mount the 1tb drive at something like /mnt/media and put symlinks from my home directory to there. so /home/phealy is on ssd, /home/phealy/music is a symlink to /mnt/media/music on the 1TB drive |
| 15:42.31 | frostschutz | v0tick, I have a 64G SSD myself, and I use the everything on SSD except /home/name/HDD/clunky/stuff |
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| 15:43.03 | v0tick | frostschutz, phealy: Interesting, so symlinks seem like a useful thing to learn about. |
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| 15:45.20 | v0tick | frostschutz: Well I just loaded up the manual partition page on debian install. It shows the 1terabyte hdd detected but no SSD |
| 15:45.54 | v0tick | frostschutz: Well, it does show a 4gb sandisk, whatever that is |
| 15:46.01 | phealy | v0tick: ln -s /other/directory/or/file name-here would mean that there would be a symlink named "name-here" that would point to that other file or directory. if it was a directory, you could cd into it |
| 15:46.04 | frostschutz | ... did you plug it in? ;-) |
| 15:46.10 | phealy | v0tick: if you're installing from a USB key, that's probably the USB key ;) |
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| 15:46.19 | v0tick | ;_; wow I'm dumb... |
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| 15:46.47 | v0tick | phealy: alright, pretending I didn't ask. I believe the SDD is plugged in, but i could try a different port perhaps |
| 15:47.02 | phealy | v0tick: nah, easy thing to miss. just don't do what I did once and delete the partitions off it, or you'll be rebuilding your installer key. |
| 15:47.05 | dwatkins | partition sizes confuse me because they're sometimes shown in blocks not MB/KB etc. |
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| 15:48.22 | v0tick | phealy: Alright. Well I'll turn off pc and plug ssd into sata 2 maybe, it is currently in port 0 |
| 15:48.29 | v0tick | phealy: and hdd is in port 1, which shows up |
| 15:48.44 | phealy | v0tick: and make sure it's detected in your bios, as well. |
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| 15:49.07 | v0tick | Oh, good point I didn't check that. |
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| 15:51.31 | v0tick | phealy: In bios it says #1 hdd, #2 UEFI sandisk, and #3 is usb now |
| 15:51.49 | v0tick | phealy: I just switched position of UEFI/usb, assuming the UEFI is ssd? |
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| 15:52.07 | phealy | v0tick: in the boot order? |
| 15:52.49 | v0tick | phealy: yes |
| 15:53.07 | Twinkletoes | I notice that for a contact form on a website I host, there is a php warning " mod_fcgid: stderr: PHP Warning: mail(/var/log/phpmail.log): failed to open stream ". That logfile is 644 (www-data:www-data). Does php run as the user, and should I make the logfile SETUID ? |
| 15:53.16 | PunIntended | v0tick: Do you like UEFI's pain? |
| 15:53.35 | v0tick | PunIntended: What do you mean? lol |
| 15:53.40 | phealy | PunIntended: that's a great way of putting it. apparently I'm a masochist about it. |
| 15:54.22 | Technodrome | anyone here do apache vhosts alot in debian? i know the whole sites enabled / sites available and how that works , but iâm curious , i woud like 15 server aliases but they all goto the same dir |
| 15:54.31 | phealy | UEFI is a significantly more complicated way of doing your boot setup, *especially* if you put windows on it later. getting them to play nicely and both boot can take a lot more work than just using old-style bios boot loader. |
| 15:54.35 | socomm | Technodrome: /j #php |
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| 15:54.42 | Technodrome | #sorry |
| 15:54.53 | v0tick | phealy: Oh... well should I disable it then? |
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| 15:55.40 | phealy | v0tick: it can definitely make life simpler if you don't have a reason for it, especially if you don't have an OS installed already. |
| 15:55.47 | phealy | brb, changing a baby. |
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| 15:56.21 | v0tick | phealy: alright good luck. And I'll disable then, thanks. |
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| 16:00.10 | babilen | v0tick: I don't agree with that partitions scheme and, in fact, think that is quite suboptimal. |
| 16:00.34 | babilen | I recommended a "everything in /" scheme with LVM for a good reason |
| 16:00.45 | babilen | (you really like to complicate things, don't you?) |
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| 16:01.56 | phealy | babilen: I tend to split out /home to make reinstalling/upgrading easier, but aside from that I'll often do lv_root, lv_home, and lv_swap. sometimes sitting on top of a RAID 1 |
| 16:02.58 | phealy | my current system doesn't have that, but only because it was a dedicated server with an image I needed to keep and figuring out how to roll an already installed system in a one partition scheme onto raid1 was complicated enough ;) |
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| 16:03.22 | phealy | sometime when I feel like it I'll drop one disk out of the RAID and switch to an LVM setup. |
| 16:03.33 | babilen | phealy: Yes, there are a plethora of reasonable setups. It is just that v0tick is installing Debian for the very first time and this planning has been taking ages. My intention is to get him/her running with a reasonable setup soon. |
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| 16:04.53 | phealy | babilen: oh, yes, I'm not disagreeing with you, just commenting on what I do. what you suggested is a great easy way to get started. |
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| 16:06.49 | v0tick | babilen: Sorry... I do tend to complicate things. I could try it out the easy way; but first I must figure out why my SSD is not showing up. I have a hunch it is due to my friend plugging in both HDD and SDD into the same cord... the HDD was on one end of cord, then an extension piece went into SSD, and the other end of cord into motherboard lol |
| 16:07.01 | v0tick | babilen: That would explain why the HDD shows up but not SSD |
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| 16:07.32 | pclov3r | i'm confused by that statement lol |
| 16:07.42 | pclov3r | there isn't two sata cables? |
| 16:07.44 | pclov3r | or something |
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| 16:08.02 | haole | I'm having a weird issue with a wheezy box... the user's .profile file is getting ignored (XFCE), and .bash_profile and .bash_login do not exist... what could cause this? |
| 16:08.16 | haole | I've created the $HOME/bin dir and it doesn't get added to my PATH :( |
| 16:08.22 | v0tick | pclov3r: Um, well it is this one cord, with little plastic connecters, and each one has a plug perpendicular to it |
| 16:08.43 | v0tick | Brb walking dogs |
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| 16:08.58 | pclov3r | http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/images/sata-cable-60cm.jpg this? |
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| 16:15.01 | v0tick | pclov3r: looks like that yeah, but has connectors |
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| 16:15.39 | v0tick | pclov3r: wait pardon, the power cord goes through both, but each have their own sata cable |
| 16:15.48 | v0tick | pclov3r: Ugh, that removes my potential solution |
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| 16:21.02 | v0tick | got sata cable out sheesh, was so hard to pull out |
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| 16:24.50 | frostschutz | v0tick, don't use lousy cables http://imgur.com/dp0qQz6 |
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| 16:26.11 | dbn231 | how would that happen |
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| 16:26.47 | StolenToast | it's all the friction |
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| 16:28.32 | frostschutz | v0tick, and for the sata, beware the clamps, if it has them... |
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| 16:29.09 | v0tick | frostschutz: Yeah I was careful with those |
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| 16:29.26 | v0tick | frostschutz: I moved SSD to port 0 and HDD to port 3, now hdd still shows up but SSD isn't |
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| 16:32.14 | socomm | frostschutz: I don't understand why people go cheap on cables. |
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| 16:32.37 | socomm | I mean if you can't avoid quality cables why even bother using computers. Poor people, go figure. |
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| 16:33.13 | socomm | http://amzn.to/1uHgajN |
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| 16:33.53 | socomm | I bought 5 of those, just in case I need a spare. |
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| 16:35.45 | dbn231 | good for you |
| 16:35.57 | dbn231 | no need to be pretentious about it. some people just don't know any better. |
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| 16:36.37 | dbn231 | i've never had a power cable fail on me in all the time i used computers the manufacturers built for me, and i'm sure they didn't go out of their way to use quality cables |
| 16:37.09 | v0tick | AHA it was my friend plugging it in the wrong way, mwahah. I'm going to punch him in the nose next time he comes over |
| 16:37.29 | phealy | dbn231: at least it has free shipping. |
| 16:37.37 | v0tick | It was this thing: http://s675.photobucket.com/user/Dan-XS/media/Sleeving%20Guide/DSC00994.jpg.html |
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| 16:37.46 | v0tick | Has multiple connectors, but it was only working if one end is in hdd and one in ssd |
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| 16:38.00 | v0tick | Pardon, I mean one end in hdd and one in power supply, or with ssd/psu |
| 16:38.14 | netstar | hi, is there a way to shutdown a Linux system and then pass over the CPU and hardware to another OS and boot that? |
| 16:38.27 | frostschutz | netstar, kexec? |
| 16:38.32 | netstar | spank you |
| 16:39.02 | frostschutz | or just change grubs default boot entry, not sure what you're asking ;) |
| 16:39.13 | netstar | nah |
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| 16:45.16 | phealy | so, random question. is there an inbuilt way to save a state of package installations and roll back? I know "apt-undo" does that, but I'm looking for built in stuff. Like I want to dpkg --get-selections before doing an action, then roll back to that later. I've done it before by using a script to remove anything not in the earlier get-selections, but it seems like there might be a simpler way. |
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| 16:46.24 | pokeswap | .clear |
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| 16:47.27 | pokeswap | Using live-build I get an error that package A needs to be configured before package B can be installed. Is there a way to specify a configuration priority in live-build? |
| 16:47.37 | heurist | phealy: apt-clone? |
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| 16:50.34 | phealy | heurist: will apt-clone remove pacakges? I'd looked at its documentation and got the impression it was more of a "make sure all of these packages ARE installed", instead of a "remove anything not on this list". I'll look closer. |
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| 16:52.23 | heurist | phealy: it is intended to make sure all are installed, so I have no idea if it will remove, but you can maybe run it through a diff and remove what it says were not there. never used it. also... does aptitudes auto/manual install system not do what you want, with a bit of effort? |
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| 16:54.30 | phealy | heurist: it does, but I sometimes run into problems with meta-packages and similar things. like installing a desktop environment and going to remove it - sometimes a lot gets left behind. deborphan helps a lot, but being able to say "purge everything not on this list" works nicely if I think to save selections ahead of time ;) |
| 16:55.14 | heurist | phealy: btrfs snpashots before apt? |
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| 16:55.33 | heurist | phealy: lvm if you prefer. |
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| 16:56.38 | phealy | heurist: I've done that before as well, but sometimes a few days pass before I decide to uninstall and so I don't want to roll back the whole system. oh well, no big deal - just thought there might be something to do it I wasn't aware of. my sscript works fine. |
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| 16:57.44 | v0tick | Uh hah, finally. Ok going to just do guided install on ssd with lvm |
| 16:58.02 | heurist | phealy: agreed, it would be nice, but I do know of anything that does it "out of the box". You can never uninstall stuff anyway, there is always grabage left behind. |
| 16:58.04 | v0tick | Cable management is horrid though; but different problem for different time |
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| 17:04.43 | paradisebunny_ | is gnome 3.12 in sid yet? |
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| 17:05.15 | pokeswap | PM me if anyone has an answer (memoserv if I am offline) |
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| 17:05.22 | heurist | .v gnome |
| 17:05.28 | heurist | ,v gnome |
| 17:05.29 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.8+8; sid: 1:3.8+8 |
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| 17:06.32 | mjuszczak | How can I force a debian revision number with dh_make? I'm trying to make it something other than -1. |
| 17:06.40 | Dmitry | I have Debian 7.5.0 recently installed. I'm trying update system in Synaptic Package Manager (GUI) and as I understand some packages didn't installed. The part of message is "W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_24.6.0esr-1~deb7u1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.32 80]" |
| 17:07.23 | heurist | Dmitry: try again in a few minutes. |
| 17:08.19 | heurist | Dmitry: that verion of iceweasel is old too, make sure you update before you upgrade. |
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| 17:09.27 | Dmitry | heurist: could you explain about update and upgrade, please? what should I do? |
| 17:10.35 | heurist | Dmitry: before you upgrade you need to get a list of all the updates from debian, there should be an option to "refresh" or "update" in synaptic. I have not used synaptic so I am not sure what they call it though. |
| 17:11.11 | heurist | Dmitry: you can also open a terminal, become root and type "apt-get update" then go back to synaptic and try again. |
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| 17:12.51 | paul_grozav | What is the equivalent of ubuntu's libapache2-mod-fastcgi on debian ? is it libapache2-mod-fcgid ? |
| 17:12.57 | heurist | Dmitry: a quick google tells me it is called "reload" in synaptic |
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| 17:14.20 | petern_ | paul_grozav, libapache2-mod-fastcgi exists in Debian. |
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| 17:14.33 | Dmitry | heurist: yes. It helped. I have "reloaded" the package list and now do upgrade |
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| 17:15.29 | paul_grozav | petern_ : No candidate version found for libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
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| 17:16.08 | heurist | ,v libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
| 17:16.09 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-fastcgi on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 2.4.6-1; wheezy/non-free: 2.4.7~0910052141-1; jessie/non-free: 2.4.7~0910052141-1.1; sid/non-free: 2.4.7~0910052141-1.1 |
| 17:16.22 | heurist | paul_grozav: in non-free |
| 17:16.24 | petern_ | Ah, non-free |
| 17:16.51 | paul_grozav | Why is it in non free? |
| 17:17.45 | heurist | paul_grozav: licensing makes it not free, as in freedom. google fastcgi vs fcgi, thay are mostly the same anyway. |
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| 17:21.42 | paul_grozav | I can't really find a license for fcgi, can i use this package for both commercial and personal use? |
| 17:22.25 | heurist | paul_grozav: it is "free" so do with it what you will. |
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| 17:22.48 | heurist | paul_grozav: apache commons I thinks, so as free as it gets. |
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| 17:23.05 | jelly-home | paul_grozav: each debian package has a file in /usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright (sometimes .gz) |
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| 17:23.11 | paul_grozav | but still not that free since it's not included in debian |
| 17:23.30 | heurist | paul_grozav: fcgi is, fastcgi is in non-free |
| 17:23.52 | paul_grozav | oh |
| 17:24.14 | paul_grozav | and you say there isn't much difference between them, right ? |
| 17:24.18 | paul_grozav | as in configuration |
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| 17:25.16 | heurist | paul_grozav: from what I recall they are identical, but do not quote me on that, it has been a long time since I looked at cgi. google them. |
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| 17:26.25 | paul_grozav | heurist: Anyway, libapache2-mod-fcgi does not exist, only libapache2-mod-fcgid is it the same thind? |
| 17:26.28 | paul_grozav | thing* |
| 17:26.45 | ageis | what software does Debian use to create and publish their repositories? |
| 17:27.24 | heurist | paul_grozav: yes, pretty much, there were a few differences, a fork I think. google that too. |
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| 17:34.19 | InvalidDecimal | Hey guys quick question: If I'm installing Debian 7.6 to a USB flash - Will I need to install GRUB to boot the OS? |
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| 17:36.21 | InvalidDecimal | Is not installing GRUB and using my mobo to boot from USB each time an option? |
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| 17:40.40 | iveevue | Why install to USB? |
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| 17:41.41 | InvalidDecimal | So I have a portable OS with persistant drive |
| 17:41.57 | InvalidDecimal | Can use it on any PC I want |
| 17:42.07 | paul_grozav | InvalidDecimal : I would recommend to install GRUB as well |
| 17:42.45 | v0tick | babilen: Just booted for first time, says booting init version 2.8 but couldn't find init command |
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| 17:43.25 | InvalidDecimal | Would recommend - meaning it may not boot without it? (as in using standard bios boot from USB) |
| 17:43.31 | sandman13 | InvalidDecimal: installing on USB is not a good idea as the access rate too slow. I can tell this from experience |
| 17:43.51 | InvalidDecimal | It's USB3.0 |
| 17:43.55 | InvalidDecimal | Not too bad :) |
| 17:44.16 | InvalidDecimal | Gonna get a portable HDD soon |
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| 17:45.10 | InvalidDecimal | and can I install GRUB to the USB also? |
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| 17:45.25 | InvalidDecimal | the same USB the OS is being installed on? |
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| 17:48.57 | jhutchins | When I log in to GDM the session ends immediately. .xsession-errors simply has /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... |
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| 17:49.00 | jhutchins | localuser:jonathan being added to access control list |
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| 17:49.46 | heurist | jhutchins: ends and takes you back to the login screen? |
| 17:50.30 | jhutchins | heurist: Displays a notice that the session lasted less than (?) seconds, which goes back to login when acknowledged. |
| 17:50.45 | jhutchins | heurist: Attempting to launch xfce. |
| 17:51.00 | v0tick | Hmm seems i need to edit grub bootloader line or something |
| 17:51.03 | jhutchins | heurist: Using gdm because policykit is controlling things like drives. |
| 17:51.46 | heurist | jhutchins: what is this message? work out what is displaying that and you may have a start of an answer. |
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| 17:52.38 | heurist | jhutchins: my first though would be .xinitrc or one of those are running and empty, or something like that. try make a new user and see if it works for them, that will rule out your dm wm setup. |
| 17:52.39 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:55.03 | drawks | hrm... sort of a weird question. when doing a preseed install is there any way to provide additional udeb components in addition to what is in the mirror repository? |
| 17:55.36 | drawks | i.e. I'd like anna to resolve dependencies and be able to interact with d-i |
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| 17:55.55 | drawks | so wget + udpkg -i doesn't seem to quite fit the bill |
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| 17:58.13 | InvalidDecimal | ok I've figured out that GRUB is mandatory to boot the OS - So I'm going to need to install it to the USB. Thing is I can't remember what "device" (/dev/???) my USB is. And when I go back to detect drives just to check it doesn't want to list my drives it goes back to asking to install GRUB |
| 17:58.20 | jhutchins | KDE works from gdm, as does xsession-terminal. |
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| 17:59.03 | InvalidDecimal | don't want to just risk entering /dev/sdc and ruining the install |
| 17:59.23 | jhutchins | ...and now xfce works too. |
| 17:59.38 | InvalidDecimal | xfce is awesome imo |
| 18:00.23 | jhutchins | InvalidDecimal: What drives are listed? |
| 18:01.15 | InvalidDecimal | jhutchins: That's the issue, it doesn't want to list my drives at this stage of the install |
| 18:01.24 | jhutchins | InvalidDecimal: Yes, you want grub on the MBR of the USB. |
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| 18:01.37 | jhutchins | InvalidDecimal: Where is it defaulting to installing grub? |
| 18:02.02 | InvalidDecimal | The MBR of my first hard drive |
| 18:02.06 | jhutchins | InvalidDecimal: Does it offer options or just manual entry? |
| 18:02.15 | InvalidDecimal | manual entry |
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| 18:02.43 | InvalidDecimal | But will what it's calling "first hard drive" be the device I've installed the OS to? (ie the USB) |
| 18:02.48 | InvalidDecimal | Or the main drive in my rig? |
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| 18:02.56 | jhutchins | InvalidDecimal: There should be a console screen available, Try Alt-F1 F2 etc. |
| 18:03.08 | jhutchins | InvalidDecimal: Probably the fist hd. |
| 18:03.19 | InvalidDecimal | got the console |
| 18:03.33 | jhutchins | parted/gparted/fdisk -l |
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| 18:04.39 | InvalidDecimal | Doesn't seem to be accepting commands |
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| 18:05.10 | jhutchins | InvalidDecimal: Try a different console, there should be one that does. |
| 18:05.26 | jhutchins | InvalidDecimal: What other OS do you have on the system? |
| 18:05.28 | v0tick | Hey guys how do I edit the grub bootloader? It won't let me start due to "nouveau init table command not found : 0xA9 |
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| 18:06.42 | InvalidDecimal | awesome, total noob question, can I scroll up in the console? |
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| 18:06.54 | drawks | shift-pgup |
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| 18:07.19 | jhutchins | InvalidDecimal: Shift-PgUp |
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| 18:07.39 | InvalidDecimal | nice |
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| 18:08.09 | freeone3000 | I'm trying to set up a multiarch cross-toolchain build using the wikipedia page https://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchCrossToolchainBuild . It seems to be written in future tense. |
| 18:08.44 | InvalidDecimal | Yeah the USB is /dev/sdc - thought so :) |
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| 18:08.52 | freeone3000 | Is this what I should be using for a cross-compilation setup on jessie, or should I be using https://wiki.debian.org/EmdebianToolchain ? I just need a gnu-arm-eabi (no hf) cross-compiler. |
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| 18:08.56 | InvalidDecimal | thanks guys :) |
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| 18:20.06 | bolt | jhutchins: in case you're interested, i did resolve that VIA NIC issue yesterday. for some reason, replacing the cable did the job. with the old cable, i could communicate in windows, and i could boot from the LAN, but after boot Debian could not communicate. replacing the cable made it functional. i replaced the old cable and measured the difference, and I get horrible transfer speeds in windows with the old one, but it does work. i think there are gremlin |
| 18:20.06 | bolt | s in it. |
| 18:20.36 | bolt | anyway. new cable and woop! debian. |
| 18:20.48 | v0tick | dang this sucks I'm so close to having debian working; but now it won't load due to some nvidia driver thing, I think |
| 18:21.02 | v0tick | Need to edit grub I think, no internet either |
| 18:21.09 | bolt | !nvidia |
| 18:21.09 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:21.43 | iveevue | !ati |
| 18:21.43 | dpkg | Where possible, most ATI/AMD graphics processing units are supported using the open source "radeon" driver on Debian systems by default, ask me about <radeon>. To install the proprietary "fglrx" driver, ask me about <fglrx>; installing this directly from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:22.17 | Haritz | Hi, I am experiencing problems with gnome shell in testing, I cant see tray icon part at the bottom, where is it? |
| 18:22.17 | v0tick | Man I wish I had internet working on this thing, would make things so easy then lol |
| 18:22.21 | v0tick | I'll try plugging in wireless adaptor |
| 18:23.14 | freeone3000 | How do I kill X? Ctrl-Alt-Backspace isn't doing anything. I currently don't have a taskbar or desktop icons, and I need to get to a terminal to fix whatever's wrong. |
| 18:23.27 | Mousey | i miss ctrl-alt-backspace. =( |
| 18:23.33 | drawks | you can enable it |
| 18:24.01 | heurist | freeone3000: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is soo last millenium. try Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
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| 18:24.22 | bolt | last decennium, at least |
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| 18:24.29 | freeone3000 | heurist: No response. Mouse cursor moves, but that doesn't switch me to a vterm. |
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| 18:25.51 | drawks | i think R-alt + PrtScn + k works for kill X if you're using a version with don't zap configured |
| 18:26.11 | freeone3000 | drawks: Nothing there, either. |
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| 18:26.31 | drawks | sounds like you're well hosed then ;) |
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| 18:27.20 | drawks | try the same as above but throw a ctrl in there too |
| 18:27.22 | freeone3000 | I can get to the login screen. I'll do a hard reboot and try those from there. |
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| 18:36.18 | Vasistha | I'm having a weird issue with GTK, am thinking maybe it would be useful to purge/reconfigure some of the gtk packages. How shall I do this with apt/aptitude? |
| 18:36.31 | Vasistha | maybe just dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 18:41.48 | jhutchins | bolt: Using Linux often does reveal hardware shortcomings. |
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| 18:42.21 | jhutchins | bolt: Back in the 90's we used to blame all the bluescreens on Windows, but when we started seeing the same issues in Linux, we figured out it was the hardware, not the OS. |
| 18:42.51 | jhutchins | bolt: Besides which, Linux often gives you a LOT more information about the problem, while Windows just covers it up. |
| 18:43.02 | jhutchins | bolt: Glad you got it working though! |
| 18:43.31 | jhutchins | Oh. I suddenly remember why I was messing with gdm not working earlier... |
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| 18:45.50 | smw | Anyone know of a memcache speaking server that uses the disk for cache? |
| 18:46.19 | smw | I have very limited memory but a ton of disk and need to cache a large amount of data locally |
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| 18:50.10 | NiLon | redis is good alternative |
| 18:50.40 | NiLon | but disk caching is kind of missing the point of caching |
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| 18:51.25 | petern_ | Depends what you're caching. |
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| 19:00.07 | phealy | NiLon: disk caching can be wonderful with remote filesystems |
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| 19:01.36 | NiLon | sure there are some good uses where reading from disk is faster than reading over network or processing large amounts of data |
| 19:01.53 | NiLon | but point of say memcache is that disk cache is awful slow for the data |
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| 19:24.35 | OERIAS | ?join #ubuntu |
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| 19:26.33 | ScottE | smw: you can use couchbase for that - it speaks memcached protocol even |
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| 19:27.08 | OERIAS | Can someone help me with Raspbian? |
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| 19:28.17 | babilen | dpkg: raspbian |
| 19:28.17 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 19:28.22 | babilen | OERIAS: ^^ |
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| 19:29.00 | v0tick | babilen: I"m thinking I may have to try reinstalling and do drivers first. Can't get past nouveau errors on grub, but I did all the install stuff |
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| 19:29.45 | babilen | v0tick: You might just have to install the nvidia drivers -- https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers -- chroot into the system and do it, then reboot. |
| 19:29.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell v0tick about fixmbr |
| 19:29.54 | smw | ScottE, does it have a LRU? I need a way to evict old data |
| 19:30.06 | smw | ScottE, old/unused |
| 19:30.12 | Dan39 | hello, i have a debian-live CD which is up and working, can i now use it to boot into a live-USB? this old desktop BIOS doesnt support botting from USB? |
| 19:30.25 | babilen | v0tick: The part up until "update-grub" is the chroot procedure. But you don't even get the grub menu? |
| 19:30.31 | v0tick | babilen: Do I need internet for this? |
| 19:30.38 | babilen | Yes, you do. |
| 19:30.47 | Dan39 | wouldnt be too hard for me to do with like GRUB, but im not even sure what bootloader this is using |
| 19:30.50 | v0tick | babilen: I had grub menu saying debian and safe mode; but it then loads error saying init command not found |
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| 19:31.11 | Dan39 | i dont see syslinux like i usually do on other livecds :( |
| 19:31.19 | babilen | v0tick: That shouldn't happen. Which image did you use and what did you install? |
| 19:31.37 | v0tick | babilen: Used the full iso cd thing. |
| 19:32.02 | v0tick | babilen: Said it couldn't find ethernet card early on, so I ignored that; but then I was lacking more right at boot time, which I think has to do with nvidia, judging my research |
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| 19:33.10 | babilen | You should still be able to boot the system regardless of your graphic card. |
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| 19:33.50 | v0tick | babilen: I have boot screen, it says loading please wait, then "init table command not found 0xA9" and a bunch of lines |
| 19:33.52 | babilen | But forgive me if I don't work on this right now. If you want to enable someone else you would have to give precise error messages .. what happens exactly? |
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| 19:35.22 | v0tick | babilen: it looks like this: http://cidadecool.com/z-tunes/debian/problem/Foto0817.jpg except all the lines down the page say "[drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: PMC - unhandled INTR |
| 19:35.35 | babilen | Is that an optimus system? |
| 19:35.57 | v0tick | babilen: the picture is not my machine, but just the page I"m on/general error |
| 19:36.28 | v0tick | babilen: I'm thinking I could try installation again with framework this time; but no idea how to put it on usb and it says it's a read only device now... Ugh |
| 19:36.35 | babilen | v0tick: I don't see the "init table command not found 0xA9" error there |
| 19:36.49 | babilen | framework? |
| 19:36.49 | v0tick | babilen: Here, I"ll get picture of my exact error from my pc |
| 19:36.54 | v0tick | babilen: sorry I mean firmware |
| 19:37.14 | babilen | So, again: Is that an optimus system? |
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| 19:37.24 | v0tick | babilen: I don't believe so |
| 19:37.31 | babilen | But I had a long day .. So, please forgive me. |
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| 19:38.04 | v0tick | babilen: You have to get going? |
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| 19:39.44 | v0tick | babilen: there is a picture of my pc - http://tinyurl.com/oa6kv3c I understand if you must go now, thanks for the help |
| 19:39.51 | babilen | I have no idea what you mean by that, but I will not provide support in here at the moment. I am sure there are plenty of other people, but I guess that you "simply" have to install the nvidia driver. The easiest way for you would be to chroot into the system from a live CD and follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers as I already suggested |
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| 19:40.18 | v0tick | Alright I'll try that, thank you. |
| 19:40.30 | babilen | Keep in mind that by asking a single person you are excluding yourself from getting help from everybody else. |
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| 19:41.10 | v0tick | You're right. I'll just hang around here and hopefully there are others that have experienced this problem as well |
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| 19:50.38 | wulllst | does anyone have an idea how to set a negative value to "+YOFF" when defining "-geometry" for windows in X? |
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| 19:52.40 | wulllst | man X says "+YOFF The top edge of the window is to be YOFF pixels below the top edge of the screen (i.e., the Y coordinate of the window's origin will be YOFF). YOFF may be negative, in which case the window's top edge will be off the screen." |
| 19:52.55 | wulllst | but what is the correct syntax? |
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| 19:53.35 | heurist | wulllst: maybe place it at the edge then use something like xdotool to move it? |
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| 19:54.43 | wulllst | heurist: well, but the programm is in the autostart file of my window manager, so it has to be positioned automatically. |
| 19:55.25 | nf7 | Whenever I play a fullscreen video in a web browser, the system decides to go to sleep after its allotted screen off time. Is there a way to get it to realize that there is something playing fullscreen and not to shut off the screen and standby? |
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| 19:55.50 | wulllst | heurist: i mean, it has to possible somehow. i mean, the man page says it is. |
| 19:55.54 | heurist | wulllst: placing a window off the edge and using xwininfo on it shows --72... so maybe try something like that? |
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| 19:56.29 | wulllst | heurist: the problem is a different one. |
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| 19:57.19 | wulllst | heurist: setting "-geometry -0+0" means pushing the window into the upper right corner. |
| 19:57.42 | heurist | wulllst: I get that, but you have been asking for a long time and I am spitballing options. also +-30... if out the other side. |
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| 19:58.46 | wulllst | heurist: unfortunately, that doesn't have any effect. |
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| 19:59.34 | heurist | wulllst: best I could do, I do not have anything that still take those only X -geometry options to try it with. sorry. |
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| 19:59.55 | heurist | wulllst: and by only I mean old. |
| 20:00.16 | wulllst | heurist: ok, thanks anyway. |
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| 20:02.39 | elichai2 | hey, Iceweasel and firefox have the same versions code? (i can compare which more updated by version?) |
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| 20:03.39 | wulllst | elichai2: if you want the latest, you'll have to go with fiefox. |
| 20:03.54 | elichai2 | wulllst, i want to compare :P |
| 20:04.11 | elichai2 | (i have one installed from sid and i want to compare it to firefox) |
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| 20:05.19 | wulllst | elichai2: well, then instead of poking your tounge out at me, you should read the respective docs. |
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| 20:05.40 | elichai2 | come on... |
| 20:05.53 | nullvibe | Does debian offer any way to avoid having to retype the passphrase for each and every entry in /etc/crypttab during boot? |
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| 20:05.57 | elichai2 | just a simple question.... i never poked my tounge out at you... |
| 20:06.06 | babilen | wulllst: The newest release (also aurora) releases for Iceweasel are available from http://mozilla.debian.net -- Please be factually correct :) |
| 20:06.42 | nullvibe | (get's a little tedious retyping or copy+pasting 20+ character passphrases 10-30x) |
| 20:06.49 | wulllst | babilen: i don't really get it, sry. |
| 20:07.34 | wulllst | nullvibe: you could use the method of providing a key file, couldn't you? |
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| 20:07.47 | nullvibe | that's silly |
| 20:07.50 | babilen | wulllst: The newest releases of Firefox are made available as "Iceweasel" (due to trademark problems) on http://mozilla.debian.net -- you most certainly don't have to use the FF if you want the latest |
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| 20:08.00 | nullvibe | if I wanted a damned keyfile, I would've already been using one >_> |
| 20:08.09 | wulllst | babilen: ok, thanks for the hint. |
| 20:08.46 | wulllst | nullvibe: well, then i don't know. |
| 20:08.56 | nullvibe | ^ this is kind of the problem |
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| 20:10.16 | nullvibe | opensuse and others do it too. I *think* it might be some fit of idiocy induced by the move to systemd since it never USED to work that way, but whatever the reason, it makes all affected distros useless for NASes and other storage-oriented solutions |
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| 20:34.00 | justanotheruser | How can I be sure that I have all the packages that come with jessie? I don't have nm-applet for some reason and I would assume it should come with it. |
| 20:34.08 | DEP_ | Hello I'm going to ask maybe a strange question, just imagine I was living in a bunker the last 10 years xd. Is NTFS-3G secure for doing writes in a harddisk? |
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| 20:34.19 | DEP_ | I remember that it wasn't the case at all |
| 20:34.53 | heurist | DEP_: ntfs-3g is the accepted way of writing to ntfs. |
| 20:35.00 | frostschutz | DEP_, reasonably. it's slow and produces nice checkerboard patterns when you look at it in a windows defragger but apart from that ... |
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| 20:35.33 | heurist | DEP_: it is also your only real option if you need to write to ntfs. |
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| 20:35.51 | frostschutz | well, you could always run windows in a VM ;) |
| 20:36.14 | heurist | frostschutz: for shame! |
| 20:36.33 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: it's in the package "network-manager-gnome" |
| 20:36.36 | DEP_ | Thanks, really |
| 20:36.53 | DEP_ | In Windows the wifi adapter is so... slow.... |
| 20:36.57 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell justanotheruser -about apt-file |
| 20:37.07 | DEP_ | Take care! |
| 20:38.01 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: right, but how do I make sure I have all the default packages? |
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| 20:38.51 | justanotheruser | like I'm not missing anything |
| 20:38.59 | justanotheruser | or was nm-applet not included? |
| 20:39.23 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: you could ask dpkg about "standard task" which talks about the packages that should always be part of a Debian install. Otherwise it's up to you to install the packages that you want, and understand error messages from apt-get, be able to search for packages etc. |
| 20:40.00 | justanotheruser | ok, sounds good |
| 20:40.02 | jmcnaught | justanotheruser: i told you which package has nm-applet, and you can find answers like this on your own with apt-file. You should consider using Wheezy if you're having this much trouble. |
| 20:40.40 | justanotheruser | jmcnaught: too much work to downgrade. I was just curious if there was a solution where I could get all the packages that came by default and install them |
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| 20:41.31 | mtn | justanotheruser: if they come by default you already have them |
| 20:41.46 | justanotheruser | mtn: something went wrong I think |
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| 20:42.04 | mtn | justanotheruser: some desktops install nm-applet and some don't |
| 20:42.11 | justanotheruser | oh ok |
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| 20:42.25 | justanotheruser | so it may be because I was using xfce4? |
| 20:42.48 | mtn | justanotheruser: I don't use it, but it is possible |
| 20:43.01 | b0rsuk | Hi, can someone help me mount a MTP-based Samsung Galaxy SII ? There's a package mtp-tools I can't make use of, there's also jmtpfs but it says "no device found" |
| 20:43.09 | b0rsuk | mtp-detect also doesn't detect anything. |
| 20:43.30 | b0rsuk | simple-mtpfs recommended by someone on #android is also not a package in Debian testing. |
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| 20:53.14 | clarkfischer | So I've got a self-signed SSL .key/.crt pair that I need readble by an unprivileged user |
| 20:53.41 | MrFrood | b0rsuk: persevere with jmtpfs, I don't use it that often and I sem to emember it was a headache to get working initially but I can now use it access my android phone - I'm afraid that's as much help as I can provide |
| 20:53.43 | clarkfischer | If i stick mygreatkey.key it /etc/ssl/private it's unreadable by the unprivileged user (I believe the dir has very restricted access, which is a good thing) |
| 20:54.06 | clarkfischer | Is there some convention for giving an unprivileged user access to a specific private key? Just put it elsewhere? |
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| 21:08.47 | Haritz | Hi, I have a problem with gnome in debian gnu linux TESTING, after some minutes keyboard and mouse dont work normally, I click at a button and doesnt work, and not posible to write in some dialogs, or here... |
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| 21:09.40 | nath | morning everybody, I'm asink to ask for some recommendation of getting sound out of iceweasel > flash addon to jackd firewire |
| 21:09.49 | MrFrood | Haritz: You may be better off asking in #debian-next on the oftc server |
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| 21:10.29 | nullvibe | Haritz: the system probably hard-locked. I had the same problem with nouveau |
| 21:10.34 | nullvibe | err...nvidia 340.xx from testing |
| 21:10.48 | nullvibe | nouveau and the stable's 304 work fine though |
| 21:10.56 | Haritz | mmm |
| 21:11.16 | Haritz | Should I reinstall nvidia drivers? |
| 21:11.29 | MrFrood | nath: google "loopback jack alsa debian" |
| 21:11.38 | nullvibe | clarkfischer: usually, just copying it to the daemon's /etc directory or whatnot afaik |
| 21:12.17 | nullvibe | Haritz: if you have 340, you'll probably have to back your xorg packages back to wheezy and pin them there |
| 21:12.40 | Haritz | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [GeForce 315] (rev a2) |
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| 21:13.05 | nullvibe | or rather, I think the problem is xorg rather than the newer nvidia blob, so reinstalling wouldn't help |
| 21:13.13 | Haritz | Ok |
| 21:13.15 | nullvibe | s/xorg/the newer xorg/ |
| 21:13.29 | Haritz | It looks ugly here in xchat too, bad render |
| 21:14.14 | nath | MrFrood: ok next problem: looks like i'm not getting around (I was wanting/needing to solve this anyway...) to get alsa back working on my system therefore I need some advice |
| 21:14.20 | Haritz | Is posible to install xorg from wheezy? |
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| 21:14.30 | nullvibe | fwiw, nouveau or radeon (the foss modules) actually aren't bad unless you need advanced stuff like hardware texture compression support for games and so forth |
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| 21:15.09 | nullvibe | would be far simpler to just switch to a non-binary blob than to downgrade |
| 21:15.17 | Haritz | And other thing, the bottom "panel" (with tray icon place etc) from gnome shell doesnt appear if I put mouse at the bottom... |
| 21:15.38 | Haritz | Only some times, is very weird and annoying |
| 21:15.40 | nath | I have been asking here earlier and I did not get it run, but when I setup the system someone on opensourcemusicans (i was more green on Linux then any greenhorn could be) invested more then half an hour getting it run, to cut the sory short: |
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| 21:15.59 | nullvibe | Haritz: might have missing nvida glx packages too or something? |
| 21:16.03 | nath | I think the problem is, that alsa does not autostart on my system by default |
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| 21:16.42 | nullvibe | chkconfig alsa-utils on |
| 21:16.44 | nath | so what I need to know is: 1.) how do I start ALSA manually (terminal) 2.) how & where do add the autostart etry??? |
| 21:16.44 | MrFrood | nath: I have alsa and jack playing nicley together on my system but I really am not the man to ask as it mostly happened after a lot of googling and poking my system with a big stick :-/ |
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| 21:17.05 | nath | MrFrood: :-))))))) same here.... |
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| 21:17.36 | nath | nullvibe: damn you hwre faster the I could ask, I LOVE YOU!!! <3 |
| 21:17.44 | nath | *were |
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| 21:17.49 | nath | *then |
| 21:17.52 | nullvibe | Haritz: as far as downgrading, it's possible, but you need apt-show-versions (separate package) |
| 21:17.54 | nath | <SORRY!> |
| 21:18.08 | Haritz | nullvibe, what glx package? |
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| 21:18.49 | nullvibe | then you have to switch your sources.list back to wheezy, then apt-get update, then go through the packages, removing the newer ones that cause conflicts and installing the versions from the wheezy repo as indicated by apt-show-version -p <package> -a |
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| 21:19.03 | Haritz | Ufff |
| 21:19.22 | Haritz | I did upgrade to testing only because I needed glibc 2.15 |
| 21:19.24 | nullvibe | nath: thanks, but as far as jack, I have no idea either :) |
| 21:19.38 | nullvibe | just grabbed at the low-hanging fruit |
| 21:19.50 | Haritz | nullvibe, what glx package do I need installed? |
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| 21:20.02 | Haritz | 3D games are working.. |
| 21:20.02 | nath | nullvibe: bash saying unknown command! |
| 21:20.11 | nullvibe | Haritz: nvidia-glx |
| 21:20.17 | nullvibe | nath: apt-get install chkconfig |
| 21:20.38 | Haritz | Ok, installed, and.. now? |
| 21:20.48 | MrFrood | nath: I do remember that I had to create a loopback device for alsa to pike it out through jack but alas I can't remember how |
| 21:21.02 | nath | nullvibe: cheers ;-) |
| 21:21.02 | MrFrood | s/pike/pipe/ |
| 21:21.04 | jmcnaught | nullvibe: nath: Debian users would normally use "update-rc.d", chkconfig is available as a package for users coming from a Redhat background, but Debian provides its own tools by default for this sort of thing |
| 21:21.06 | nullvibe | Haritz: I think you might have to manually install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 or its equivalent too if you intend to use 32 bit apps in wine |
| 21:21.30 | gravely | anyone know why python-cairo in wheezy doesn't leave python 2.7 with a working 'import cairo'? tia |
| 21:21.31 | nullvibe | jmcnaught: chkconfig is deprecated on redhat too (kind of) |
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| 21:21.38 | Haritz | nullvibe, 32 bits apps are working on wine, I just want gnome shell to work OK... |
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| 21:21.43 | nath | ohhhh just installed |
| 21:21.47 | Dan39 | grrr kinda dissapointed this gparted-live cd only takes up half a regular CD, but is missing many basic utilities :'( |
| 21:21.49 | nath | purge? :-P |
| 21:21.52 | nullvibe | jmcnaught: I just like it because it works everywhere ;) |
| 21:21.56 | Haritz | I cant click buttons sometimes, neither write sometimes, is very weird |
| 21:22.04 | Haritz | and bottom panel from gnome shell doesnt appear |
| 21:22.31 | nath | jmcnaught: same command with "update-rc.d"??? |
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| 21:22.46 | jmcnaught | nath: "update-rc.d alsa-utils enable" would be the command to make sure that init script runs, but you could also "man update-rc.d" to review it for yourself |
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| 21:23.38 | nath | jmcnaught: thx man! |
| 21:23.47 | jmcnaught | nath: that of course assumes you're using sysvinit. If you're on jessie and using systemd I think the command you need would be "systemctl" but I'm no systemd expert :) |
| 21:23.54 | Haritz | nullvibe, alberto@acer-Linux:~$ gnome-control-center |
| 21:23.54 | Haritz | Segmentation fault |
| 21:24.00 | Haritz | :/ |
| 21:24.15 | nath | jmcnaught: I'm on wheezy! |
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| 21:24.29 | vook | Dan39: I think they design those to fit on a pocket CD |
| 21:24.36 | Dan39 | yea that was my guess |
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| 21:24.43 | Dan39 | but who realy uses pocket CDs? :| |
| 21:25.02 | vook | not I |
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| 21:25.37 | Dan39 | like they put in a "network config" utility, but nothing for basic wireless setup |
| 21:25.52 | Dan39 | nothing for writing CDs either haha |
| 21:26.08 | nath | jmcnaught: is there a way starting the drivers without no reboot? |
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| 21:26.42 | nullvibe | Haritz: what you're describing COULD be a problem in gnome itself too, although I still suspect it's because of the xorg in testing. if in doubt, you could download the 304 build from nvidia, install it, reboot and see if it helped |
| 21:26.44 | jvelasquez | could I get some help. everytime I boot my debian jessie, the root fs '/', is always mounted ro, /etc/fstab says mount rw unless theres errors. I don't see any errors, cause they can't get logged. heh. :| |
| 21:26.44 | nullvibe | like I said, don't think it's the blob so much as the newer xorg though, so probably wouldn't help |
| 21:26.46 | nullvibe | ick. you have some major badness going on there somewhere, my friend |
| 21:26.48 | nullvibe | Does debian offer any way to avoid having to retype the passphrase for each and every entry in /etc/crypttab during boot? (NOT keyfiles!) |
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| 21:29.33 | nullvibe | jvelasquez: fsck it |
| 21:29.34 | jmcnaught | nath: you could try "/etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart" but you might need to use rmmod and modprobe to do it manually. I haven't really messed with ALSA in a while, I was more pointing out that "update-rc.d" is the Debian equivalent to "chkconfig" |
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| 21:30.30 | nath | jmcnaught: ok, thanks in all matter for my distro being one package cleaner ;-) |
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| 21:31.45 | jmcnaught | nath: There's a wiki page that might help you: https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA and you could also ask dpkg bot here "/msg dpkg alsa checklist" (it will have some other <topics> you could query it about) |
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| 21:34.13 | jvelasquez | nullvibe, I forced it, fsck.ext4 -f /dev/sda1, it was clean, I remounted it rw, then rebooted, shutdown -r now, it did another fsck on boot, but same thing, mounted ro. |
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| 21:34.25 | rabidwh0re | quick question. How can i enable support for a protocol in my kernel? |
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| 21:34.59 | nullvibe | jvelasquez: boot into single user mode and check dmesg then...? |
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| 21:35.24 | nullvibe | oh, excuse me. that's called "recovery" mode in debian-speak :) |
| 21:36.11 | nullvibe | rabidwh0re: modprobe the relevant module(s) if it's in-tree |
| 21:36.53 | nullvibe | see: /etc/modprobe.conf and /etc/modprobe.d for making persistent changes |
| 21:37.01 | rabidwh0re | thanks nullvibe |
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| 21:37.27 | jvelasquez | nullvibe, I was thinking of just adding an init script that remounts rw. lol |
| 21:38.02 | nullvibe | jvelasquez: best to see what's going on first. doing that COULD make you lose data, depending on the underlying fs |
| 21:38.22 | nullvibe | like for instance if it's btrfs, trying to force-mount rw is likely to end with it eating all of your data |
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| 21:39.24 | jvelasquez | it's ext4 |
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| 21:39.44 | jvelasquez | ext4, /, everything on one partition, |
| 21:40.12 | jvelasquez | on a laptop, for general use and a little development, everything on SVN. |
| 21:40.14 | jmcnaught | rabidwh0re: nullvibe probably meant /etc/modules instead of /etc/modprobe.conf |
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| 21:42.59 | jvelasquez | nullvibe, In single, I see an error. /etc/mtab is not a symlink to /proc/self/mounts, and this isn't supported anymore. please make a symlink instead ..... |
| 21:44.24 | nullvibe | jmcnaught: yes, I was looking at the wrong system when I said that. oops... |
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| 21:44.40 | nullvibe | jvelasquez: nothing in dmesg? |
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| 21:50.53 | sheap | how would I get my package into the repos? / does anyone want to sponsor me? |
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| 22:09.09 | nullvibe | sheap: could always set up your own repo somewhere and skip all of the needless bureaucracy |
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| 22:10.10 | sheap | nullvibe: I just want to give back is all |
| 22:10.40 | jmcnaught | sheap: you could ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net :) |
| 22:10.56 | nullvibe | there are many ways to "give back" that doesn't involve wasting inordinate amounts of time on bureaucratic crap |
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| 22:14.09 | sheap | jmcnaught: I'll try there, thanks! |
| 22:14.23 | sheap | Numinex: I've tried many ways and this is going to be my most recent attempt |
| 22:14.29 | sheap | ** nullck |
| 22:14.34 | sheap | er |
| 22:14.41 | sheap | they quit, my bad |
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| 22:46.05 | nullvibe | sheap: not really. I'm here, just a tor hiccup ;) |
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| 22:46.33 | nullvibe | anyway, good luck |
| 22:46.53 | sheap | nullvibe: lol thanks |
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| 22:54.14 | T-Rog | OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc. |
| 22:54.27 | T-Rog | my GPU is an ATI Radeon HD 3450 |
| 22:54.50 | T-Rog | how do I fix this |
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| 22:55.38 | nullvibe | looks like you're reading the string from a vm, so vga passthrough the actual card via xen |
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| 22:57.09 | speckmade | xUbuntu user here, considering migration to Debian. |
| 22:57.09 | speckmade | I came to love Ubuntu's PPAs, giving me a bit of bleeding edge - but only where I really needed it. |
| 22:57.09 | speckmade | What options are there to replace that with Debian? - I already know deb-multimedia.org |
| 22:57.40 | sheap | debian backports/testing/unstable |
| 22:57.43 | sheap | ? |
| 22:57.50 | T-Rog | nullvibe: you lost me |
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| 22:59.19 | nullvibe | T-Rog: a "VMWare, Inc." adapter is a common thing for virtualization technologies to offer as a video option, and ONLY in a vm |
| 22:59.33 | T-Rog | it's not a virtual machine |
| 22:59.36 | T-Rog | it's my desktop |
| 22:59.52 | T-Rog | it used to run Windows Vista |
| 23:00.16 | nullvibe | you...shouldn't be getting anything vmware-related in any output then... |
| 23:00.24 | T-Rog | well... it is |
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| 23:00.41 | T-Rog | and I get about 2 frames per second in Left 4 Dead 2 |
| 23:00.44 | nullvibe | install fglrx-driver and see what happens |
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| 23:01.42 | PunIntended | nullvibe: VMware Inc. means LLVMpipe , NOT VM. |
| 23:02.01 | nullvibe | ah, they're doing something silly. gotcha |
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| 23:03.14 | PunIntended | dpkg : tell T-Rog -about radeon |
| 23:03.20 | nullvibe | T-Rog: in any case, the solution is still fglrx-driver since radeon STILL lacks some features that many games need |
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| 23:04.03 | PunIntended | T-Rog: Did you read dpkg ? |
| 23:04.19 | T-Rog | yes I did |
| 23:04.34 | T-Rog | I'm kind of new to linux so uh... I need to decipher it |
| 23:04.55 | T-Rog | okay I think I got it |
| 23:05.32 | PunIntended | T-Rog: You have to install some packages. |
| 23:05.33 | T-Rog | I probably shouldn't have started with Jessie but... I figure the best way to learn linux is to jump into it |
| 23:05.41 | T-Rog | but in that case I should have gotten Arch |
| 23:05.45 | T-Rog | then I'd really learn about linux |
| 23:05.55 | nullvibe | ugh. yeah, jessie seems super-broken xorg-wise |
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| 23:06.15 | T-Rog | well Jessie was the only way to get steam at the time |
| 23:06.26 | T-Rog | although I could install SteamOS since that's based on Debian |
| 23:06.36 | sheap | steam is in AUR no? |
| 23:06.52 | Nik05 | what is AUR? |
| 23:06.59 | T-Rog | Arch User Repository |
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| 23:07.01 | nullvibe | probably, but whether or not it'll work is another thing, and whether or not T-Rog can manage to install arch is yet another |
| 23:07.02 | T-Rog | or so Google says |
| 23:07.09 | T-Rog | oh god |
| 23:07.10 | jmcnaught | speckmade: for Debian it's best to stick with http://backports.debian.org/ and http://mozilla.debian.net/ (for newer Iceweasel which is what we call Firefox). deb-multimedia is a last resort, and has been known to cause problems with upgrades. Don't add repos for Ubuntu or other derivatives, and don't add jessie/testing/unstable repos to a Debian Stable system. Often you can backport packages yourself which isn't very difficult. You should also re |
| 23:07.14 | T-Rog | please don't throw me into that hellhole |
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| 23:07.35 | temhaa | I'm using debian wheezy |
| 23:07.43 | temhaa | I want setup selinux my droplet |
| 23:07.49 | temhaa | I applied this instruction https://www.netmess.org/tag/digitalocean/ but I couldnt do |
| 23:07.54 | T-Rog | jmcnaught: I installed Wheezy at first but then... well... it had some problems with Linux |
| 23:07.55 | T-Rog | er |
| 23:07.57 | T-Rog | Steam |
| 23:07.59 | temhaa | https://paste.gparent.org/386 |
| 23:07.59 | T-Rog | derp |
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| 23:08.23 | temhaa | How can I install selinux |
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| 23:08.29 | nullvibe | jmcnaught: it's funny that you mention ubuntu ppas. I was just thinking earlier that that might be one way to fix debian's cryptdisks :) |
| 23:08.32 | sheap | steam works perfectly fine on wheezy for me |
| 23:08.57 | T-Rog | nullvibe: package fglrx-driver is not available, but is referred to by another package |
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| 23:10.00 | nullvibe | T-Rog: yeah, iirc, it's in non-free |
| 23:10.05 | jmcnaught | T-Rog: Xorg was recently upgraded to a new version in Jessie, and fglrx was removed from Jessie because it doesn't support the new Xorg version yet. It's part of the downside to using proprietary drivers, and also to using an unfinished development branch that is in constant flux. Try the radeon drivers instead. |
| 23:10.06 | speckmade | jmcnaught: thx for the answer. Please repeat your answer in smaller segments. - You were cut off after "You should also re" |
| 23:10.18 | byte | n8 |
| 23:10.26 | nullvibe | T-Rog: might have to tack on non-free and contrib after 'main' in your sources.list files to get it |
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| 23:10.36 | T-Rog | I think I already did |
| 23:10.42 | jmcnaught | speckmade: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian <--- this is what you missed. I personally can't stand it when people use <enter> as punctuation :) |
| 23:10.57 | T-Rog | nullvibe: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Firmware will this help at all? |
| 23:11.35 | nullvibe | yes, that's what I was citing from memory |
| 23:12.14 | speckmade | jmcnaught: use [Ctrl]+[Enter] then. ;-) |
| 23:13.40 | jmcnaught | speckmade: doesn't work on IRC, but thanks for mentioning the message was cut off.. i wonder if that was the case for everyone or just your IRC client |
| 23:14.23 | speckmade | jmcnaught: I think it's a freenode thing or even a usual IRC thing. |
| 23:14.35 | mtn | jmcnaught: yes, it was cut off |
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| 23:15.27 | T-Rog | so what's debian's deal with only using open source drivers |
| 23:15.30 | T-Rog | and software |
| 23:16.16 | nullvibe | just like many foss people, they like to delude themselves into believing that no one needs to do anything graphics-intensive :) |
| 23:16.38 | T-Rog | have they ever used GIMP |
| 23:16.40 | nullvibe | also, potential licensing and privacy issues |
| 23:16.45 | T-Rog | because they include it in their stable releases |
| 23:16.51 | T-Rog | and boy does it use up some GPU power |
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| 23:17.20 | T-Rog | and your privacy is already compromised because most computers have hardware backdoors |
| 23:17.22 | T-Rog | because NSA |
| 23:17.49 | nullvibe | some != most |
| 23:18.06 | mtn | T-Rog: take your tin foil hat talk to offtopic, please |
| 23:18.18 | T-Rog | sorry |
| 23:18.19 | nullvibe | the cost is still too prohibitive for surveillance over all but a small set of persons of interest |
| 23:19.17 | nullvibe | anyway, that IS the issue: closed source software can't be code reviewed, so the tendency is to NOT include it since including is tantamount to endorsing it |
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| 23:20.12 | nullvibe | combine that WITH issues like government agencies coercing companies like nvidia and amd/ati into including backdoors, and you only add additional cause for concern |
| 23:20.58 | jmcnaught | mtn: speckmade: thanks for bringing that to my attention, it looks live i've solved it with splitlong.pl for irssi. Now to cure my loquaciousness :) |
| 23:20.58 | mtn | nullvibe: offtopic talk goes elsewhere please |
| 23:21.13 | T-Rog | #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:21.20 | T-Rog | alternatively #dolphin-emu |
| 23:21.24 | nullvibe | mtn: that wasn't offtopic. a legitimate question was asked regarding packaging, and that's the boiler template answer |
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| 23:22.06 | temhaa | ? |
| 23:22.20 | temhaa | can you help about selinux |
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| 23:23.20 | nullvibe | T-Rog: anyway, that's the main thing that distinguishes ubuntu from debian. ubuntu is geared for a better desktop experience (and thus offers required non-free software during or after install) whereas debian seems to be a better fit on headless and embedded systems |
| 23:23.23 | savid | Hi, I reinstalled a set of lib* packages on my armhf system, and now I'm getting this error when running certain programs (including apt-get): error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: ELF load command alignment not page-aligned |
| 23:23.28 | savid | Anyone know what might cause that? |
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| 23:24.44 | nullvibe | temhaa: apt-get update; apt-cache search selinux* |
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| 23:26.12 | nullvibe | you probably want to install at least selinux-utils and selinux-policy-default |
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| 23:32.34 | nullvibe | savid: can't tell you for sure, but it sounds like the build might have some instructions in it for a different arm abi or something |
| 23:32.43 | nullvibe | or rather, it was built for a different one |
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| 23:33.47 | nullvibe | or...maybe there's something wrong with your secondary storage, or the install botched them somehow |
| 23:34.14 | temhaa | nullvibe, I installed your say https://paste.gparent.org/386 |
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| 23:34.32 | temhaa | nullvibe, but I couldnt active selinux |
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| 23:36.53 | nullvibe | temhaa: dmesg |grep -i selinux |
| 23:37.05 | jmcnaught | temhaa: there is probably a "README.Debian" in the /usr/share/doc/$package for one or more of the selinux packages you installed, that's where I would check next. Also https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
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| 23:37.24 | temhaa | nullvibe, dmesg its empty for selinux |
| 23:37.33 | T-Rog | why can't I copy and paste files from my hard drive to a USB device using the GUI? why do I need to be root and do it through the command line? |
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| 23:38.06 | xperia | hi all. small question. how do you make it possible to have two cascaded redundant web servers running where the second webserver on machine 2 takes over when the first webserver on machine 1 shutdown ? I have read round robin is no solution for such a case because it does not provide any cascade! i need a cascade solution and not a load balancing solution. |
| 23:38.17 | aarcane | How much data is transferred, approximately in megabytes, when doing a debootstrap install? |
| 23:39.05 | nullvibe | temhaa: try 'sudo setenforce Enforcing' maybe...? |
| 23:39.36 | nullvibe | actually goes to lengths to turn OFF selinux since it causes all kinds of strange, silent problems |
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| 23:40.43 | aarcane | nullvibe: you're right. selinux would be a lot better if it didn't just make things die or fail without notification or warning or anything |
| 23:41.51 | nullvibe | exactly! |
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| 23:42.46 | nullvibe | wasting hours upon hours on something that SHOULD work but doesn't only to find out it was selinux causing the problem the whole time doesn't tend to make one feel all warm and fuzzy about it |
| 23:43.22 | temhaa | nullvibe, $ sudo setenforce 1 |
| 23:43.22 | temhaa | setenforce: SELinux is disabled |
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| 23:44.34 | nullvibe | temhaa: I think we're at the end of my ability to help you. might want to ping the people in #selinux if you don't have any further luck here |
| 23:44.46 | jmcnaught | temhaa: have you tried following the instructions on the wiki link i sent you? |
| 23:44.52 | aarcane | How hard would it be to default to outputting to a verbose log file every time something is denied, and have a simple one line setting in one of the early init scripts to disable that verbose log file... something like /etc/default/selinux:LOG_DENY=1 # Set this to 0 to disable diagnostic log messages about denied access |
| 23:45.10 | cafuego | aarcane: selinux does audit log |
| 23:45.26 | cafuego | aarcane: and a it has a parser for said audit log, so you can easily fix things |
| 23:46.44 | PunIntended | temhaa: SELinux , designed by NSA and powered by Spying&Disturbing technology. |
| 23:48.09 | temhaa | jmcnaught, yes I tried |
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| 23:49.32 | PunIntended | temhaa: Try finding on Gøøgλ⬠. |
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| 23:56.05 | phealy | xperia: you need a load balancer in front of it directing the traffic, or some sort of virtual IP/clustering solution that moves the service IP to the second system. |
| 23:56.11 | savid | nullvibe: the system arch is armhf, I'm assuming "hf" is the abi, right? |
| 23:57.49 | nullvibe | no, hf stands for Hard Float |
| 23:58.04 | somiaj | savid: https://www.debian.org/ports/index.en.html -- looks like hard float |
| 23:59.06 | nullvibe | savid: easiest example I have is from the ONE arm system I've actually messed with so far |
| 23:59.26 | nullvibe | cat /proc/cpuinfo -> "Processor : ARM926EJ-S rev 5 (v5l)" |
| 23:59.54 | nullvibe | the 'v5l' means it's armv5, which is what they call the abi (or is it eabi?) iirc |
