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| 00:00.53 | nullvibe | actually avoids arm when possible since different (e)abis/revisions/whatever aren't well-supported in foss land for long |
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| 00:01.23 | ashka | just followed this https://wiki.debian.org/TransparentEncryptionForHomeFolder - is there a simple way to unmount one's home when the user is logged out and that his files aren't being used ? |
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| 00:03.51 | aarcane | So nobody knows how much data I'd be expected to download to do a debootstrap? |
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| 00:04.27 | themill | aarcane: istr about 120MB |
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| 00:04.50 | aarcane | istr? |
| 00:04.57 | savid | Shoot. Just disconnected ssh, and apparently sshd was borked too. Oh well, I can restore the system partition from a backup. |
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| 00:05.05 | PunIntended | nullvibe: You should like Acorn Risc Machines. |
| 00:05.59 | themill | aarcane: "I seem to recall". It should be the size of the netinst image less the installer, kernel and bootloader packages. |
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| 00:06.48 | aarcane | makes sense, thanks :) |
| 00:06.59 | nullvibe | PunIntended: I like what works out-of-the-box. even "ancient" distros like debian don't support armv5 anymore, despite there still being NEW devices being shipped with v5 chips |
| 00:07.27 | aarcane | My internet is fairly severely limited right now (tethering over a cell phone), so can I do a debootstrap from a regular livecd without connecting to the internet? |
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| 00:07.37 | aarcane | if so, what do I specify for the repository portion |
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| 00:08.23 | PunIntended | aarcane: It is still supported in the 'armel' architecture (armv5). |
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| 00:11.41 | PunIntended | ( currently running Sid on my Pi, system currently used for reverse-enginnering) |
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| 00:12.25 | themill | aarcane: you can certainly tell debootstrap to look at a local repo and if your livecd has an appropriate Packages etc on it (which I *think* it does) that might work. I normally point debootstrap at a local caching proxy |
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| 00:13.20 | aarcane | themill: I normally don't debootstrap often enough for a local caching proxy. I was thinking about mirroring my primary architectures locally once the Internet comes back up. |
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| 00:15.23 | themill | aarcane: the caching proxy is probably better than the local mirror in any case (you can point apt at it too) |
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| 00:17.31 | nullvibe | PunIntended: well, I tried binaries built on an emulated, lookalike armv5 on qemu on that armv5 system from earlier, and it didn't like them *shrug* |
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| 00:18.31 | nullvibe | the ##electronics people helped me make sense of the madness, and the consensus was basically that it was mixing too new of instructions in for the armv5 cpu to recognize |
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| 00:48.33 | Arahael | Is there any way in which I can read a keepass2 file on the command line? (Or can someone suggest an excelent password manager that also works on the android) |
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| 00:51.01 | themill | Arahael: there's a version of keepass for android |
| 00:51.32 | Arahael | themill: I'm aware, I use it, but I want to query the database on my linux server. |
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| 00:55.12 | jmcnaught | Arahael: I've only read about it not used it (using KeePassX) but there's the "pass" package that you could check out |
| 00:55.15 | aarcane | When running debootstrap, and something fails in the download, but when you run it again and those files succeed in downloading, it only has to download those extra files... Where does debootstrap cache downloads? is it in the system's apt archive, or is it in the target somewhere? |
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| 00:55.59 | Arahael | jmcnaught: Could you give me a few more keywords with which to google? |
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| 00:57.13 | jmcnaught | Arahael: heh the package name in Wheezy is "pass" but I just did "apt-cache show pass" for you and the home page is http://www.passwordstore.org/ |
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| 00:58.08 | Arahael | jmcnaught: Ah, so not keepass compatible. Curiously, has iOS, but not android. |
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| 00:59.45 | jmcnaught | Arahael: oh i didn't realize it *had* to be keepass compatible. I'm not sure if there is one |
| 01:00.45 | zinx | Package: keepass2 Version: 2.26+dfsg-2 Maintainer: Debian CLI Applications Team <pkg-cli-apps-team@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 01:00.58 | zinx | mind you, it sucks |
| 01:01.02 | zinx | but it exists |
| 01:01.09 | Arahael | jmcnaught: Not neccessarily, but it _does_ have to be android compatible. |
| 01:01.47 | Arahael | zinx: Barely. As best as I can tell, the CLI frontend does little more than load keepass2's gui with a few defaults, such as a keepass file and password, and also to execute some keepass script. |
| 01:01.57 | zinx | uhm? |
| 01:02.12 | Arahael | zinx: I want to, for example, list the entries on the command line. |
| 01:02.17 | zinx | it reads the db fine for me, even imports keepass1 exports |
| 01:02.23 | zinx | ah, i see |
| 01:02.35 | zinx | misunderstood, sorry |
| 01:02.39 | Arahael | zinx: Well, for me it bombs out because I don't have X11 installed. |
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| 01:03.51 | jmcnaught | Arahael: Why do you need to list entries on the command line? I think most people just keep there .kdb file on the server and open it in the application on the desktop/phone they're using at the moment |
| 01:05.05 | Arahael | jmcnaught: I don't need it badly enough to write it, would just like the option if I were to loose my phone, but I could always steal my wife's laptop. |
| 01:05.18 | Arahael | jmcnaught: So was just asking. :) |
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| 01:06.05 | jmcnaught | Arahael: ahh :) I thought maybe there was some other underlying problem you were trying to solve that I might have had different suggestions for |
| 01:06.20 | Arahael | jmcnaught: No worries. :) |
| 01:07.17 | Arahael | Thanks everyone. I'm heading off to cook. |
| 01:08.10 | themill | ,i kpcli sid |
| 01:08.35 | judd | Package kpcli (utils, optional) in sid/i386: command line interface to KeePassX password manager databases. Version: 2.7-1; Size: 54.3k; Installed: 214k; Homepage: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kpcli/ |
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| 01:28.30 | Arahael | themill: Thanks - will certainly check that out! |
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| 01:36.15 | T-Rog | steam is still telling me it's not using direct rendering |
| 01:36.19 | T-Rog | I have no idea what to do |
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| 01:40.22 | T-Rog | I feel that I have been defeated |
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| 01:41.40 | Arahael | T-Rog: Have you tried something other than steam? |
| 01:41.53 | T-Rog | um |
| 01:41.56 | T-Rog | like glxgears? |
| 01:42.01 | Arahael | Yes. |
| 01:42.05 | T-Rog | works fine |
| 01:42.10 | Arahael | glxinfo and the like, or heck, tuxracer. |
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| 01:42.19 | Arahael | The question is: Are they using direct rendering? |
| 01:42.23 | T-Rog | glxinfo says I have direct rendering support |
| 01:42.35 | Arahael | T-Rog: Then your issue is that steam is refusing to use it. |
| 01:42.42 | Arahael | T-Rog: Take it up with them. :) |
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| 01:45.09 | mavidoritos | Hi everybody |
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| 01:45.48 | mavidoritos | I want to use debian only internet browsing. I have very low-power machine. Can i use it with only openbox? |
| 01:46.04 | mavidoritos | If yes. How can i uninstall all of unneeded packages? |
| 01:46.07 | mavidoritos | Thanks. |
| 01:46.16 | Arahael | mavidoritos: Wrong question. |
| 01:46.47 | Arahael | mavidoritos: Ask instead: "What do I need to install". Why are you installing shit you don't need/want? |
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| 01:47.13 | Arahael | mavidoritos: And the answer to that is probably: openbox, and a web browser. |
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| 01:49.40 | mavidoritos | Arahael, i am not good at english |
| 01:49.54 | mavidoritos | so i have a system installed debian wheezy |
| 01:50.23 | mavidoritos | it uses icewasel, i hate it. i want a lightweight system if possible. |
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| 01:52.56 | Arahael | mavidoritos: You could consider chromium, not sure if that's in debian though. |
| 01:53.03 | Arahael | mavidoritos: Or konqueror. |
| 01:53.15 | Arahael | (Chromium's probably lighter) |
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| 01:53.23 | Arahael | mavidoritos: How low-power is this machine? |
| 01:54.07 | mavidoritos | Celeron 1000A |
| 01:54.13 | mavidoritos | 386MB Ram |
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| 01:54.22 | mavidoritos | 320Gb HDD |
| 01:54.37 | mavidoritos | And an onboar Via graphic card |
| 01:54.52 | Arahael | mavidoritos: That's on the low end but not unreasonable. |
| 01:55.22 | mavidoritos | I tried ubuntu but it was bad. I'll try chromium. |
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| 01:55.26 | Arahael | mavidoritos: I personally like Google Chrome. |
| 01:55.55 | Arahael | (The free software version is "Chromium", which I would suggest for you) |
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| 01:59.58 | themill | chromium is a long way from a lightweight browser |
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| 02:01.29 | Arahael | themill: Still, iceweasel's much further. |
| 02:01.35 | Arahael | themill: Particularly with RAM. |
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| 02:08.05 | zh1 | what free debian server panel u guys think is best? |
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| 02:11.26 | themill | Arahael: I'd agree if I didn't have chromium sitting here with one tab open with some simple text in it and it wasn't reporting 800MB used. |
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| 02:27.26 | elik | What's the best place to look to know what's going on on testing regarding sysv and systemd? |
| 02:28.31 | elik | I currently have conflicts for full-upgrades: one resolution is removing pretty much all of gnome, wile the other resolution is removing sysvinit-core |
| 02:28.54 | elik | It is my understanding that this is the ultimate goal, just not sure it's quite there yet |
| 02:29.58 | elik | That being said, I think a few things are broken in gnome currenlty, because of the sysv/systemd "duality", which cause me to install the systemd-shim earlier this month |
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| 03:37.55 | markslaptop | Is there a chat channel for debian? |
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| 03:40.02 | dvs | !topicsmite markslaptop |
| 03:40.03 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon markslaptop. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:40.08 | wblankenship | So I want to run a background process and a another process in the same line. Something like `couchdb & && /etc/init.d/apache start` kinda deal... It doesn't like the 3 &s in a row. |
| 03:40.38 | wblankenship | I feel dumb asking that... but I'm at a loss and my google-foo isn't helping me. |
| 03:41.06 | dvs | wblankenship: use ";" instead of "&&" ? |
| 03:42.03 | wblankenship | ooohhhhh nice |
| 03:42.11 | wblankenship | good call |
| 03:42.16 | rryoumaa | is there any documentation for freecraft anywhere? |
| 03:42.23 | dvs | !beer me |
| 03:42.23 | dpkg | pulls out a nicely refined Bornem Tripple for dvs |
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| 03:44.04 | wblankenship | `couchdb &; ...` unexpected ; |
| 03:46.45 | jmcnaught | wblankenship: maybe "couchdb -b" will work? I don't use it, but I just checked the man page |
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| 03:51.35 | Lewoco_ | What is the package that automatically tells me the name of packages that contain a program when I try to run a program that isn't installed on my machine? |
| 03:52.24 | jmcnaught | Lewoco_: command-not-found |
| 03:54.32 | rryoumaa | apt-file |
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| 03:54.55 | DanDare | Lewoco_, you can try also 'apt-cache search theprogramyoulookfor" |
| 03:55.04 | rryoumaa | oh auto |
| 03:55.37 | DanDare | Lewoco_, not sure if it always work. I guess the program must be listened on package's description etc |
| 03:55.41 | rryoumaa | "auto-apt checks the file access of programs running within its environments, and if a program tries to access a file known to belong in an uninstalled package, auto-apt will install that package using apt-get." |
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| 03:59.54 | DanDare | rryoumaa, thats cool. I didnt know about 'apt-file' :) |
| 04:00.05 | wblankenship_ | jmcnaught, you are correct, jolly good. |
| 04:00.14 | DanDare | *knew |
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| 04:01.25 | jmcnaught | auto-apt sounds like a bad idea to me :/ |
| 04:01.57 | rryoumaa | wasn't recommending it :) |
| 04:02.04 | zh1 | for a debian server install will i need standard system utilities on software selection? |
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| 04:18.32 | themill | zh1: most likely |
| 04:18.40 | themill | dpkg: tell zh1 about standard task |
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| 04:25.57 | zh1 | themill, thanks |
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| 04:44.59 | xubuntu893 | Hi, can someone help me ? |
| 04:45.22 | xubuntu893 | I have this message at the end of my update everytime. |
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| 04:46.47 | xubuntu893 | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.148.12 80] W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.148.12 80] E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
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| 04:47.16 | zh1 | sources list |
| 04:47.43 | xubuntu893 | I'm pretty a basic user on Linux, what that means ?? |
| 04:47.58 | zh1 | u on debi |
| 04:48.03 | _FBi | your source for updates isn't found |
| 04:48.07 | _FBi | fix it |
| 04:48.17 | xubuntu893 | Ok, but how can I do that ? |
| 04:48.26 | jmcnaught | xubuntu893: Debian Etch went end of life in 2010, use a newer version of Debian. The current release of Debian is 7 (Wheezy) |
| 04:48.28 | zh1 | u on debi? |
| 04:49.14 | xubuntu893 | Bro, I put Xubuntu on my laptop because I hate Windows 8, I just started on it, I can even tell you what I'm on |
| 04:49.47 | _FBi | don't bro me if you don't know me |
| 04:50.20 | xubuntu893 | Ok, take it easy man |
| 04:50.36 | jmcnaught | xubuntu893: Xubuntu isn't supported here. It's unclear why you would have repositories from Debian Etch in your sources.list, but it was probably following bad advice from an outdated blog or forum post. Since you're using Ubuntu, you need to ask in #ubuntu, only Debian is supported here :) |
| 04:50.36 | xubuntu893 | I'm here for help |
| 04:50.36 | _FBi | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 04:51.34 | zh1 | xubuntu893, your on wrong channel try #ubuntu |
| 04:51.48 | ObrienDave | he had weezy repos also |
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| 04:52.02 | OERIAS | jmcnaught, the folks at #ubuntu don't know shit! |
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| 04:53.04 | jmcnaught | OERIAS: it doesn't matter, Ubuntu still isn't supported here. For many, the quality of support community is a major factor in deciding which distro to use. |
| 04:53.38 | OERIAS | Which is why I am still a Debian user. |
| 04:53.48 | xubuntu893 | Ok so why Xubuntu website taking me here for help ? |
| 04:54.05 | ObrienDave | because you have debian repos |
| 04:54.09 | xubuntu893 | I can't even go to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:54.13 | OERIAS | They take work from our community to turn it to shit. |
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| 04:54.21 | _FBi | xubuntu893, are your root or sudo? |
| 04:54.27 | xubuntu893 | I'm on sudo |
| 04:54.29 | OERIAS | xubuntu893, there's #xubuntu |
| 04:54.31 | jmcnaught | xubuntu893: keep trying in #ubuntu, this is the wrong channel |
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| 04:55.03 | xubuntu893 | jmcnaught: Seriously, I'm lost |
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| 04:55.31 | jmcnaught | xubuntu893: type "/join #ubuntu" in your IRC client. |
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| 05:39.40 | Caust1c | Has anyone here successfully dual booted Debian with OSX on a retina mbpr? |
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| 05:43.35 | PunIntended | Caust1c: With Bootcamp. |
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| 05:43.59 | Caust1c | huh, I didn't think of that one |
| 05:44.04 | Caust1c | I've been trying refind |
| 05:44.28 | Caust1c | but refind, although it can see the correct partition for debian, just ends up with a blinking cursor |
| 05:45.23 | aarcane | Freaking A, Debian is Awesome. I just did a debootstrap install (to fde luks encrypted /), and after echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches;, debian is using a WHOPPING 25MiB of RAM, and that's with byobu and htop running. |
| 05:45.56 | aarcane | and consumes a whopping 537MiB of disk space. |
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| 05:49.45 | burbur | hello all, i have installed wheezy and it is playing youtube in iceweasel without installing anything? how is this possible? |
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| 05:50.24 | PunIntended | aarcane: Buildroot do the same with 16M of RAM and 32M disk space. |
| 05:50.47 | PunIntended | burbur: There is HTML5. |
| 05:51.11 | burbur | PunIntended: is all of youtube on html5? |
| 05:52.25 | somiaj | burbur: last I checked some videos weren't but most are |
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| 05:54.11 | eskp | hey guys, seeing "E: Release signed by unknown key (key id 40976EAF437D05B5)" when invoking pbuilder on debian |
| 05:54.29 | eskp | trying to build a package for ubuntu |
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| 05:56.44 | qwwette | Hello i wanted to install debian but as soon i confrim to install i get a black screen after a few seconds. Im using a nvidia gpu 750. |
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| 06:00.32 | T-Rog | I'm using Gnome Classic/Fallback and if I click my name -> Power Off, all programs close, but debian never shuts down |
| 06:00.38 | somiaj | qwwette: Is it one of those dual intel/nvidia cards? though for the install I don't think the video card should be an issue it should only be using standard protocols for the isntaller |
| 06:00.40 | T-Rog | the only way to power off is to do it though a terminal |
| 06:00.42 | T-Rog | how do I fix this |
| 06:01.12 | aarcane | PunIntended: Looks like buildroot only works for uclibc. this is a full featured linux install on an x86_64 platform |
| 06:01.43 | somiaj | T-Rog: you use gdm3 as the display manager to log into gnome? |
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| 06:02.10 | T-Rog | hmm... |
| 06:02.13 | T-Rog | no idea |
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| 06:02.56 | Jarchy | I love Debian is mint fid |
| 06:02.59 | Jarchy | Good |
| 06:04.15 | somiaj | T-Rog: then most likely you do, it would be the graphical display you login as your user. |
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| 06:07.55 | qwwette | somiaj its a normal gpu no sli no crossfire or one with two gpus. I just use two screens on it. |
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| 06:09.18 | PunIntended | qwwette: UEFI ? |
| 06:09.53 | PunIntended | It is known to cause that in my test but SSH still works |
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| 06:11.09 | somiaj | qwwette: what part of the install does it go black? |
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| 06:11.59 | PunIntended | Mine is just after loading the kernel |
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| 06:18.04 | qwwette | PunIntended: Its enabled yes but grub itself loads so it shouldnt have to do with uefi i think |
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| 06:20.03 | PunIntended | qwwette: On UEFI, the screen is off on Linux UNTIL a proper GPU driver is loaded. |
| 06:20.05 | somiaj | is this during the install or after you already have a display manager loaded, would turning off the display manager at least boot? |
| 06:20.08 | urotur | hot: http://tinylinks.co/yY0y |
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| 06:27.25 | qwwette | Well idk the menu with the option is visible but if i select an option it goes into black screen |
| 06:27.34 | qwwette | Im uaing the netiso |
| 06:28.02 | qwwette | ..*using |
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| 06:29.27 | qwwette | Hmm when i install with an advanced option it tells me could not load file |
| 06:29.39 | qwwette | Then it goes black screen |
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| 06:55.21 | burbur | PunIntended: Hello are you still on? |
| 06:56.05 | burbur | html5 support is there, but when i use network spy in firefox it is using a .swf file to play |
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| 06:57.26 | burbur | there is never a request for .mp4 |
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| 07:00.39 | burbur | so my question is? how is firefox/ice weasel playing youtube out of the box? |
| 07:01.15 | PunIntended | burbur: Yes still here. There is Gnash or Lightspark pre-installed/ |
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| 07:08.28 | burbur | PunIntended: Its not installed by apt |
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| 07:24.23 | jmcnaught | burbur: have you checked "about:plugins" ? |
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| 07:25.50 | burbur | yeah its there |
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| 07:26.26 | burbur | how would that have been installed? i checked the apt logs |
| 07:26.31 | burbur | is it in dpkg log |
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| 07:27.21 | jmcnaught | burbur: under about:plugins it shows a path to where the plugin is being loaded from, what does it say for you? |
| 07:27.42 | burbur | yeah it does |
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| 07:28.06 | jmcnaught | burbur: what is the path? |
| 07:28.12 | gr8 | I have deleted some files belonging to dnsmasq. I wanted to restore that files by reinstalling dnsmasq. but when doing apt-get install --reinstall dnsmasq, it does not re-create those files. how do I get them back? one file in question is /etc/dnsmasq.conf |
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| 07:29.01 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell gr8 about confmiss |
| 07:29.03 | burbur | its in the system libraries in gnash, why do you ask |
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| 07:29.55 | jmcnaught | burbur: so you probably have the "browser-plugin-gnash" package installed. i was asking because i'm trying to help you figure it out.. |
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| 07:30.18 | admin_ | Hi |
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| 07:30.32 | admin_ | How to expert install debian? |
| 07:31.12 | burbur | jmcnaught: ok got it |
| 07:31.30 | jmcnaught | burbur: "browser-plugin-gnash" is recommended by the "gnome" package, which is probably why you have it installed. |
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| 07:32.07 | jmcnaught | admin_: on the boot menu of the debian installer, "expert mode" is under the advanced options |
| 07:32.20 | gr8 | jmcnaught: not only config files. I want to re-install the whole package |
| 07:32.35 | admin_ | no it is not in advance option |
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| 07:33.50 | admin_ | no it is not in advance option |
| 07:34.07 | dioz | no it is not in advance option |
| 07:34.28 | admin_ | where is "epert mode"? please answer |
| 07:34.40 | jmcnaught | gr8: maybe some of the missing files are from a different package like dnsmasq-base? what files did you delete? use http://paste.debian.net if you need to show us a list |
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| 07:34.58 | admin_ | where is "epert mode"? please answer |
| 07:35.12 | admin_ | where is "epert mode" or "expert install"\? please answer |
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| 07:35.16 | themill | dpkg: tell admin_ about repeat |
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| 07:36.14 | admin_ | themill, :D |
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| 07:36.28 | jmcnaught | admin_: if you're using the netinst iso "expert install" is under "advanced options". what iso are you using? |
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| 07:37.06 | admin_ | DEBIAN 7.5 NOT NET |
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| 07:37.51 | admin_ | jmcnaught, DEBIAN 7.5 NOT NE |
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| 07:38.01 | jmcnaught | admin_: maybe you could be more specific by showing use the URL you downloaded? if it's a live cd it might be different. no need to repeat. |
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| 07:38.19 | themill | admin_: please also try to be less annoying. |
| 07:38.42 | admin_ | jmcnaught, it is live |
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| 07:39.57 | PunIntended | admin_: Installing LiveCDs ? For expert installs, does not exist. |
| 07:40.00 | themill | admin_: if you want to install debian, you're better off with the installer images rather than the live images. |
| 07:40.07 | gr8 | jmcnaught: these files are missing: http://paste.debian.net/112860/ even removing + reinstalling the package did not help |
| 07:40.28 | themill | dpkg: tell admin_ about install debian |
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| 07:41.49 | admin_ | jmcnaught, yes i have problem in install debian in detect network hardware before screen blue |
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| 07:42.39 | jmcnaught | gr8: did you try using the command recommended by dpkg's <confmiss> factoid? |
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| 07:43.21 | jmcnaught | admin_: can you describe the problem? |
| 07:43.22 | busch | Does Debian offer any kind of certificate like LPIC or redhats RHCSA/RHCE? |
| 07:43.56 | admin_ | jmcnaught, Can u speak english? |
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| 07:44.47 | gr8 | jmcnaught: oh sorry, they're all config files :D it worked, thanks. problem solved. |
| 07:44.48 | jmcnaught | admin_: yes, and i don't mind helping you, but I don't know what the problem you had was. |
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| 07:45.13 | admin_ | jmcnaught, Can u speak persian? |
| 07:45.19 | admin_ | Can u speak persian? |
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| 07:45.35 | gr8 | Can u speak persian? |
| 07:46.20 | jmcnaught | admin_: No I don't speak Persian and unfortunately I'm not aware of a Persian Debian channel (I've looked before). I think there is a #persian channel here on freenode that might be aware of a channel you can get Debian or Linux support in that language |
| 07:46.29 | admin_ | yes |
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| 07:46.53 | admin_ | gr8 : YES I CAN |
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| 07:47.02 | admin_ | gr8 : CAN U? |
| 07:47.06 | gr8 | NO |
| 07:47.12 | gr8 | m( |
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| 08:19.27 | hagbard_celine | hi there. does anyone know why with this nginx configuration http://pastebin.com/Zex3Qu3m only sends request to one backend? the dokumentation says it should automatically make round robin to all backends |
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| 09:33.40 | ashka | I'm running wheezy, why is there no padevchooser package ? there is one in both squeeze and jessie |
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| 09:36.39 | ivanshmakov | (⦠It seems that Iâve just re-implemented debootstrap(8)â¦) |
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| 09:37.12 | banjo | ashka: maybe there were still problems till wheezy freeze |
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| 09:37.41 | ashka | oh, that sounds like it |
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| 09:44.14 | mrtnt_ | If I check the content of /etc/rc3.d/ directory with ls -l, I can see symlinks like "S15portmap -> ../init.d/portmap". Is this "../init.d/portmap" intepreted by shell? Or is this the real file name? |
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| 09:49.54 | ashka | actually, libpulse-browse0 is missing from wheezy. I guess that's why padevchooser is |
| 09:50.04 | ivanshmakov | mrtnt_: It is the real file name, although relative to the location of the symbolic link itself. |
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| 09:53.42 | ivanshmakov | mrtnt_: That is: ../init.d/portmap as the target of the /etc/rc3.d/S15portmap symlink is interpreted /by the kernel/ as pointing to /etc/rc3.d/../init.d/portmap, which (unless rc3.d is a symlink /itself/) is the same as /etc/init.d/portmap. |
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| 10:11.04 | mintgreen | 'The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes.'how to fix this? |
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| 10:13.12 | ivanshmakov | mintgreen: Which specific command reports 512Â bytes for block? |
| 10:13.39 | mintgreen | ivanshmakov: gparted |
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| 10:14.09 | ivanshmakov | mintgreen: Alas, I have no experience with that whatsoever. |
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| 10:14.32 | mintgreen | ivanshmakov: ok,sorry |
| 10:14.41 | mintgreen | and thanx |
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| 10:16.33 | OERIAS | debhelper, why are you setting the limits to 1440 |
| 10:16.35 | OERIAS | ? |
| 10:16.49 | TJ- | mintgreen: that is the physical/logical values. Is it causing a problem? |
| 10:17.12 | babilen | OERIAS: debhelper is a bot |
| 10:17.29 | ObrienDave | ROFL |
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| 10:17.44 | mintgreen | TJ-: i guess so for /dev/sdb1 is not recognized |
| 10:17.59 | OERIAS | ObrienDave, what bring you to #debian> |
| 10:18.02 | OERIAS | ? |
| 10:18.15 | ObrienDave | to learn |
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| 10:18.43 | OERIAS | To learn about the superiority of Debian over Ubuntu. lol |
| 10:18.51 | babilen | OERIAS: Please also note that this is a technical support channel and that you want #defocus or #debian-offtopic for chatting/socialising |
| 10:18.55 | ObrienDave | right |
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| 10:39.31 | peetaur2 | try hitting e on the boot line maybe |
| 10:40.18 | furious | peetaur2: There's no boot line in the jessie installer |
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| 10:41.01 | Skyrider | Greetings |
| 10:41.45 | Skyrider | I noticed here https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/module/build_ngx_pagespeed_from_source that I can build ngx_pagespeed from the source. But my question is, seeing I already have nginx installed under /etc/nginx, where would the source be installed once I compile it? |
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| 10:43.18 | furious | peetaur2: https://superuser.com/questions/611980/how-to-edit-grub-when-booting-from-a-live-cd |
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| 10:48.13 | petern_ | Hmm, is there an equivalent to iptables-persistent for ipset? |
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| 10:50.58 | votick | Hey guys I keep getting an error on boot saying "nouveau init table command not found". People keeping saying to fix I must edit grub boot lines; but how do I go about doing this? |
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| 11:25.43 | debbie10t | hi - dpkg seems to be unresponsive |
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| 11:27.22 | debbie10t | i am having some problems with my apt sources - I get errors such as this |
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| 11:32.44 | abator | what command i need to run after setting path in /etc/login.def? |
| 11:33.03 | abator | echo still shows same old path |
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| 11:33.27 | abator | i did notbrestart system, do i need to restart? |
| 11:33.48 | abator | not restart*** |
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| 11:36.44 | ksk | i dont really know that file, but as there is "Login" in its name you will probably have to relogin, |
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| 11:37.57 | abator | ksk: ty, yes the file name is actually, /etc/login.defs |
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| 11:38.26 | ksk | i dont know what this on is doing, either ;) |
| 11:38.59 | abator | hmm, i see, i remember there was command to refresh path instead of logout |
| 11:39.41 | abator | ksk: what location is correct to,change path for all users? |
| 11:40.00 | ksk | abator: id say /etc/profile, or like /etc/bash.bashrc for bash-only |
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| 11:40.36 | Walex | abator: environment variables for each process are a property of that process. Each process has its own copy of an enviroment variable. |
| 11:42.57 | abator | Walex: what do i need to do,to make the path set for all users then, please let me know |
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| 11:44.36 | abator | i have a studio.sh file that must run like this ./studio.sh and for that thing i do need to set path so that i can create a menu shortcut to run the app |
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| 11:45.33 | Walex | abator: for all users? for all processes? for existing processes? for new processes? |
| 11:46.00 | Walex | abator: "i do need to set path so that i can create a menu shortcut to run the app |
| 11:46.10 | Walex | abator: "i do need to set path so that i can create a menu shortcut to run the app" seems a very strange statement to me. |
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| 11:46.29 | abator | :) |
| 11:47.33 | Walex | abator: you could write a wrapper script that does something like: cd "$DIR" && ./studio.sh |
| 11:48.10 | abator | android studio has a file to in bin folder named studio.sh and to run that file i do need to type command like this ./studio. that command is ok and studio start but when i try to create a menu item i get confused. |
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| 11:48.45 | abator | oh, yes, that wrapper thing is like batch script on win. i guess that is what i need to learn |
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| 11:49.16 | abator | hmm, i am missing this important in my learning debian :) |
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| 11:51.15 | v0tick_ | Just got debian to boot dispite the nouveau errors, I disabled acpi and nouveau.modset=0 in grub; but I have no gui, just terminal screen. |
| 11:51.26 | abator | Walex: one strange thing for me is that when i run that command ./studio.sh my terminal prompt shows like if something is still running and when i press ctrl+c then the app also get terminated |
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| 11:52.39 | abator | so, is it bad idea to run gui app from terminal? |
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| 11:53.51 | abator | v0tick_: im not an expert but i think you should make bootable usb with super grub. i didi the same and today my debian is running good. :) |
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| 11:54.43 | abator | brb, need to check wrapper scripts |
| 11:54.56 | v0tick_ | abator: Super grub? never heard of that. I was originally using full disk version .iso, but I got ethernet card missing error, now I tried with netinstall, and it booted but no gui |
| 11:56.00 | abator | v0tick_: your grub isnt working or you are not able to install debain? |
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| 11:56.48 | v0tick_ | abator: Originally I was getting an error saying "nouveau init command not found", but I edited grub to set acpi=off and nouveau.modset=0, and it booted, but no gui |
| 11:56.52 | petern_ | v0tick_, what nvidia gpu does that machine have? |
| 11:57.17 | v0tick_ | petern_: Using GTX750TI gpu, and intel i5 processor |
| 11:57.22 | petern_ | oh |
| 11:57.29 | petern_ | that gpu is too new for nouveau in debian stable |
| 11:57.43 | petern_ | you need to use the nvidiao drivers as babilen mentioned last night |
| 11:57.50 | petern_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.11 | Aleric | v0tick_: are you sure nouveau is not loading? lsmod | grep nouveau gives nothing? |
| 11:58.14 | babilen | Shouldn't v0tick_ be able to boot easily with the intel GPU on that board? |
| 11:58.15 | v0tick_ | petern_: Ah yes. Well I think I may have an internet connection now so maybe I can install this stuff |
| 11:58.16 | petern_ | v0tick_, scroll down to the Installation section |
| 11:58.40 | v0tick_ | Aleric: Gives nothing, likely since I disabled it |
| 11:58.56 | petern_ | nouveau doesn't work on my 670 |
| 11:58.57 | Aleric | only likely? |
| 11:59.48 | Aleric | Or, it gives nothing. |
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| 12:00.41 | v0tick_ | Aleric: Gives nothing |
| 12:00.47 | chomwitt | apt-key gives me ERROR: The certificate of ' bla bla' not trusted |
| 12:00.54 | Aleric | v0tick_: not sure what you did - but the right way to disable it is by adding this file: |
| 12:00.56 | v0tick_ | petern_: Alright thanks, just trying to figure out which one applies to the GTX 750 ti. |
| 12:01.06 | Aleric | sean:~>cat /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-installer-disable-nouveau.conf |
| 12:01.07 | Aleric | # generated by nvidia-installer |
| 12:01.07 | Aleric | blacklist nouveau |
| 12:01.07 | Aleric | options nouveau modeset=0 |
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| 12:01.25 | petern_ | v0tick_, 304.117 |
| 12:01.43 | v0tick_ | Ah alright. |
| 12:01.49 | Guest46627 | hi, i'm trying to setup steam with the guide from the wiki in a fresh jessie install. i need libgl1-fglrx-glx:i386 for direct rendering but the package isnt in the repo anymore. strange thing is glxinfo from mesa-utils:i386 says direct rendering is supported but steam shows a warning at the launch. i use a amd 7850 with xorg driver. any ideas? |
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| 12:02.30 | petern_ | v0tick_, 750ti is current generation, not legacy yet :) |
| 12:02.30 | v0tick_ | petern_: In response to aleric, I couldn't figure out how to edit the .conf file from GRUB, but maybe I can do that now since I am in a terminal of some kind |
| 12:02.37 | v0tick_ | petern_: Alrighty |
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| 12:03.46 | confused_ | how do I change my backend to support installing files? |
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| 12:04.44 | petn-randall | Guest46627: Ask on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, where jessie/sid are supported. This channel has mostly people in it who run stable. |
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| 12:07.41 | v0tick_ | petern_ ran the commands, on step two it says "couldn't find any package whose name or descriptions matches "l..." and showed different ones |
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| 12:08.18 | v0tick_ | petern_: Oh maybe step 1 went wrong and it can't find them because of that |
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| 12:09.53 | v0tick_ | petern_: Ah, not it says could not resolve the hosts on aptitude update. Maybe internet isn't working somehow now |
| 12:10.07 | Knaldgas | Hmm, can it really be that no one has yet made a command line FIR filter - Data read from stdin, filtered data on stdout? |
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| 12:12.20 | v0tick_ | Yup internet definitely not working when I ran iwlist scan |
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| 12:17.25 | moai | Hi, I'm using gnome on debian testing and locales/language support does not work correctly |
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| 12:17.55 | moai | for example, spell checking (tested in gedit and libreoffice) does not work |
| 12:18.03 | axu | what is the best way to clean install jessie ? |
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| 12:18.07 | moai | the corresponding language packs are installed |
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| 12:18.55 | moai | what happens is, when i select a language for spell checking different from english (the default) then the selection is not remembered |
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| 12:26.55 | abator | i removed openjdk6 and now terminal is not opening. what i should do? |
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| 12:27.50 | OpenTokix | abator: you can try to start xterm or ctrl + alt + F3 login andreinstall openjdk |
| 12:27.52 | abator | imhave openjdk7 installed |
| 12:28.17 | abator | OpenTokix: ty, that is sure a good tip |
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| 12:37.28 | Skyrider | What exactly is the proper sources list for grabbing the nginx source? I've copy & replaced the deb lines with deb-src, but getting: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/debian.di.newdream.net_dists_squeeze_ndn_source_Sources - open (2: No such file or directory) |
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| 12:43.28 | Skyrider | and I'm stuck... |
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| 12:47.14 | petern_ | Skyrider, did you apt-get update? |
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| 12:47.23 | Skyrider | Indeed I did. |
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| 12:52.06 | Ro_ | hello, how can I mount / with acl and user_xattr attributes? |
| 12:52.51 | Ro_ | my fstab line UUID=3963bf94-adaf-424f-86eb-e62cdb7ea1ce / ext4 user_xattr,acl,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 12:52.58 | Ro_ | but it does not help |
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| 12:54.08 | Skyrider | This sure is a pain |
| 12:54.16 | Ro_ | what? |
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| 12:55.43 | dvs | Skyrider: why are you using squeeze instead of wheezy? |
| 12:55.52 | Skyrider | Dreamhost.. |
| 12:55.54 | Skyrider | Can't update |
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| 12:57.16 | Skyrider | So I'm stuck with D6, and now I'm unable to recompile nginx from source just to add pagespeed. |
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| 12:59.29 | dvs | Skyrider: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using |
| 12:59.41 | abator | i have both jdk6 and jdk7 , but look like the jdk6 is in command. why i needed jdk7 was just for android who does not like jdk6 , can i use openjdk7 instead of openjdk6. what i need to do to make jdk7 the default java? |
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| 12:59.48 | halma | hi all |
| 12:59.51 | Qrrww | Hello I was here a few hours ago. I figured out my video card Gtx 750ti isnt really supported by the the opensource driver nouveau which is bundled with the latest stable debian release. So installed debian using the flag 'nomodeset'. Now I wanted to install the original Nvidia driver I edited the sources,isntalled the headers |
| 13:00.15 | dvs | abator: update-java-alternatives |
| 13:00.16 | Qrrww | and also the correct driver but when i generated an xorg file and i reboot x11 wont show up |
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| 13:00.28 | Qrrww | and the log says it cannt find nvidia |
| 13:00.28 | abator | dvs: , ok, ty |
| 13:00.36 | Qrrww | *the module |
| 13:00.45 | nagerst | Qrrww: have you run as root nvidia-xconfig to generate a nvidia binary compatible Xorg.conf? |
| 13:01.01 | Qrrww | I executed the command su before |
| 13:01.04 | Qrrww | i was doing installing |
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| 13:01.25 | nagerst | the xorg.conf is not generated by the installer of the driver and must be executed after the install. |
| 13:01.40 | Qrrww | I'm aware of this |
| 13:01.47 | Qrrww | theres something called nvidia-conf |
| 13:01.54 | Qrrww | it generated a proper conf file |
| 13:01.58 | nagerst | ok |
| 13:02.47 | halma | what is needed to get "/sys/class/hwmon" cause ls -l shows an empty /sys/class/hwmon" |
| 13:02.55 | nagerst | if "nvidia" is not found in the Xorg.log file check that the install went properly. installing nvidia-current package should give you the correct binary. |
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| 13:03.35 | Qrrww | Hmm unfourtanely i cannt use nvidia-current |
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| 13:03.38 | Skyrider | dvs: When using that list, getting E: Ignore unavailable target release 'squeeze-lts' of package 'nginx' when using apt-get source nginx |
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| 13:03.48 | Qrrww | I used the comnmands which was lsited in the wiki |
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| 13:04.18 | halma | normally u just the Linux-headers, gcc and the nvidia driver *.run |
| 13:04.24 | halma | *need |
| 13:04.26 | nagerst | have you blacklisted the nvidiafb and nouveau drivers in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf? |
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| 13:05.51 | nagerst | there is a good tutorial here for 700 series of nvidia: http://askubuntu.com/questions/425140/unable-toboot-with-nvidia-gtx-750-ti-even-with-latest-beta-drivers but you can ignore the install of drivers part and just do the blacklisting and grub changes |
| 13:05.53 | paul_grozav | Hello, I installed FastCGI over apache and can now run PHP scripts, by following this tutorial http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-set-up-apache2-with-mod_fcgid-and-php5-on-debian-etch . How can I add support for python, perl, C++ ? |
| 13:05.59 | Qrrww | @nagerst |
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| 13:06.01 | Qrrww | I didnt? |
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| 13:06.06 | Qrrww | do you think that will fi it? |
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| 13:06.26 | nagerst | Qrrww: possibly. |
| 13:06.30 | Qrrww | *fix |
| 13:06.30 | nagerst | or most likely |
| 13:06.48 | Qrrww | ok i have it as dual boot now so i need to reboot bye :( I hope it works |
| 13:06.50 | nagerst | make sure you have nvidia 334 or newer though |
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| 13:08.19 | mrtnt_ | Am I correct that in latest Debian releases(for example squeeze) one has to use insserv to set up init scripts? |
| 13:09.05 | ksk | mrtnt_: debian stable is "wheezy" and one uses update-rc.d to manipulate which services start automagicly - if that was your question |
| 13:09.32 | ksk | as far as I know. |
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| 13:11.20 | mrtnt_ | ksk: ok..but in which case one should use insserv? |
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| 13:12.40 | halma | what is needed to get hwmon working under /sys/class/hwmon ?? |
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| 13:12.42 | Skyrider | If I use "apt-get source nginx", should it be getting the source of nginx? |
| 13:12.57 | Skyrider | As I'm getting "Ignore unavailable target release 'squeeze-lts' of package 'nginx'" |
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| 13:14.25 | dvs | Skyrider: Wouldnt it be: apt-get -t squeeze-tls source nginx ? |
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| 13:14.50 | Skyrider | same error. |
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| 13:16.21 | Skyrider | yay.. netsplits.. |
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| 13:17.00 | ksk | mrtnt_: RTFM? "insserv is a low level tool used by update-rc.d" |
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| 13:17.36 | ksk | Skyrider: is there a nginx package in squeeze-lts? |
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| 13:19.17 | ksk | Skyrider: as there is no string "nginx" in http://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-lts/main/binary-all/Packages.gz Id guess: no, there is no nginx in squeeze-lts (probably because the nginx version from squeeze did not encounter an LTS worthy bug |
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| 13:19.45 | ksk | so just take your sources from squeeze repo and be fine |
| 13:19.46 | mrtnt_ | ksk: to be honest, I'm bit puzzled why one needs to run update-rc.d/insserv at all. I thought that all that is needed is a symlink to correct runlevel directory and that is all. In this light maybe the upcoming systemd isn't so bad at all. |
| 13:20.09 | Skyrider | it appears apt-get -t squeeze source nginx worked. |
| 13:21.08 | ksk | mrtnt_: i do undestand that, but think of update-rc.d as a standard way to do it (you could forget something if you do it yourself on a shell) and can be used easily in debian packages and such stuff |
| 13:21.16 | dvs | How many different sources do you have? |
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| 13:30.07 | Abbott | so the different names of packages i can get through the package manager like squeeze, wheezy, jessie, and sid are all just different revisions of a package that the developer releases at different stages of it's development. Squeeze is a compatibility version, wheezy is the current, stable version, jessie is a beta (more or less), and sid is a nightlies build that is most likely broken (more or less). Is this the right way to think about it? |
| 13:30.45 | gcbirzan | Uh, somewhat. I guess. |
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| 13:31.13 | Skyrider | Thanks.. got it to work. |
| 13:31.18 | Abbott | which part isn't exactly right? |
| 13:31.29 | dvs | Abbott: It is not a good idea to mix between squeeze, wheezy, jessie, etc. |
| 13:32.35 | gcbirzan | Abbott: Well, for one, packages come in sid, then after a while with no rc bugs, they go into testing (jessie now). Stable doesn't get new packages, just bug fixes that go directly in. At some point, there'll be a snapshot of jessie, that'll be the new stable, and a new testing will be made |
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| 13:38.26 | Abbott | that makes sense gcbirzan. dvs that's because dependencies usually aren't backwards compatible, right? |
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| 13:39.17 | dvs | Abbott: Yes, because the base dependencies have different versions. |
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| 13:40.12 | babilen | Abbott: You might want to read: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html and keep in mind that squeeze-lts is not for *all* packages. |
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| 13:52.18 | Abbott | can you guys help me set up X11 forwarding as well? I have Xming installed and running, I followed the instructions her: http://itg.chem.indiana.edu/inc/wiki/software/openssh/200.html but when I do echo $DISPLAY nothing comes up |
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| 13:53.03 | Abbott | I edited both ssh_config and sshd_config to enable x11 and have all ssh sessions use -X by default |
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| 13:54.03 | themill | do you have xauth installed on the ssh server? |
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| 13:55.11 | ChrisH | Abbott: is DISPLAY set before you ssh -X server ? |
| 13:55.27 | sheepman | is there somewhere in Debian that it keeps a record of the ethernet mac addresses? I got a bit confused earlier when i swapped a server disk over to an identical server but the network card was seen as a new ethX device |
| 13:55.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell sheepman -about 70 |
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| 13:56.34 | sheepman | babilen: ok thanks :) |
| 13:57.07 | petern_ | 70 :) |
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| 13:57.39 | KaaK_ | how can I troubleshoot reverse DNS issues? |
| 13:58.06 | ChrisH | KaaK_: the same way as forward issues? Tell and show us more on paste.debian.net |
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| 13:58.47 | sheepman | so is there someway of stopping this behaviour? |
| 13:58.49 | KaaK_ | hosts often take forever to do reverse DNS on -- I often have to pass '-n' to many commands to force them to not do reverse DNS so as not to run ~10 seconds or so |
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| 13:59.56 | babilen | sheepman: Stopping it would mean that interfaces will be randomly renumbered whenever the box comes up. |
| 13:59.59 | hopthrisC | KaaK_: do they even get a hostname in the end? or are you simply experiencing the timeout? |
| 14:00.04 | KaaK_ | ChrisH, the setup is on amazon's AWS -- I've got a debian host in one network, and a mysql host in another. They can reach eachother just fine -- it just takes forever for the debian host to do reverse DNS on the mysql host |
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| 14:00.12 | sheepman | or can you specify multiple persistent-net rules for the same device? |
| 14:00.17 | sheepman | i.e. you could have two eth0's |
| 14:00.25 | sheepman | ? |
| 14:00.52 | ChrisH | KaaK_: some IPs do not properly resolvre reverse. can you reproduce it using dig or nslookup? |
| 14:01.25 | babilen | sheepman: No, you cannot have two eth0 |
| 14:01.33 | sheepman | ok |
| 14:01.36 | Abbott | I figured it out. I wasn't setting X11 forwarding in PuTTY. sorry about that lol |
| 14:01.38 | sheepman | ty very much babilen |
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| 14:03.25 | KaaK_ | ChrisH, dig and nslookup both return immediately when i pass the domain name -- nslookup will do the ~10 second hang when reversing the IP |
| 14:03.57 | KaaK_ | errors out with a connection timeout, no servers found |
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| 14:07.19 | hopthrisC | KaaK_: put the hosts in their respective /etc/hosts file and be done with it |
| 14:08.53 | KaaK_ | hopthrisC, ultimately this is going to be a network of many hosts -- that is alot of hosts files to modify and keep up-to-date |
| 14:09.22 | v0tick | I'm trying to setup a usb with firmware by following the guide here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en , I copied and iso to /dev/sdc1 (where unmounted usb is) |
| 14:09.35 | v0tick | But now I can't make /dev/sdc2 as it says special location doesn't exist |
| 14:09.44 | v0tick | and If I try editing anything on the usb it says read-only file system... |
| 14:09.47 | hopthrisC | KaaK_: then put up your own nameserver |
| 14:10.00 | dvs | !tell v0tick about firmware iso |
| 14:10.07 | hopthrisC | KaaK_: what's the ip address and which server do you query? |
| 14:10.36 | KaaK_ | hopthrisC, I think that is what I will end up doing. Right now the nameserver is the implict one amaon gives your network when you spin it up |
| 14:10.51 | KaaK_ | so i have no control over it -- and no way to pry deeper... |
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| 14:16.22 | v0tick | dvs: followed instructions and put put the iso contents on usb, then did sync. Tried booting from usb and I just see a flashing dash on the screen |
| 14:16.32 | v0tick | a cursor by the looks of it |
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| 14:19.10 | dvs | v0tick: How did you put the contents on the USB? |
| 14:19.42 | dvs | v0tick: What was the exact command you used |
| 14:19.52 | v0tick | dvs: I followed guide and unmounted usb then did cp debian.iso /dev/sdc1 and then sync |
| 14:20.03 | dvs | wrong |
| 14:20.13 | v0tick | ;_; uh oh |
| 14:20.16 | dvs | v0tick: cp debian.iso /dev/sdc |
| 14:20.18 | dvs | no 1 |
| 14:20.26 | v0tick | How do I put firmware on sdc2 then? |
| 14:20.32 | v0tick | It says in guide to have another partition for firmware |
| 14:20.50 | v0tick | "create a second FAT partition on the stick" and put a tarball |
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| 14:21.09 | dvs | v0tick: or you can use the firmware iso like dpkg told you. |
| 14:21.40 | v0tick | dvs: I tried that one already yesterday for a few hours; but it ended up leaving me with "nouveau init command not found" errors on grub bootloader, so I couldn't move on |
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| 14:22.00 | dvs | v0tick: I bet if you use the correct cp command, you can create a new partition |
| 14:22.11 | v0tick | dvs: I'll try that out |
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| 14:23.33 | smiba | Just wondering if anyone has experiance with PPTPd? |
| 14:23.37 | smiba | Can't get it to work |
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| 14:24.04 | smiba | Connections are succesfull, can't connect to the outside internet though |
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| 14:24.29 | v0tick | dvs: Do I just copy a firmware zip folder to /dev/sdc? It says it's not a directory but I see it in /dev along with another called sdc1 |
| 14:25.16 | sandman13 | v0tick: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:25.30 | dvs | v0tick: No, you copy the iso to /dev/sdc, create a new partition called /dev/sdc2 and put the firmware zip on that. |
| 14:25.41 | v0tick | sandman13: Following the guide, and trying to put iso on my usb + firmware, so I can boot and install debian with firmware that hopefully works this time |
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| 14:25.59 | v0tick | dvs: Alright, I'll figure out how to empty current usb first so I can recopy |
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| 14:26.09 | smiba | Anyone? |
| 14:26.21 | sandman13 | v0tick: what OS are you using currently? |
| 14:26.28 | v0tick | sandman13: Linux mint |
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| 14:26.42 | sandman13 | v0tick: Desktop Environment? |
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| 14:26.49 | heurist | smiba: you need to allow ip forwarding, and make sure the correct routes are set. |
| 14:26.50 | v0tick | sandman13: mate |
| 14:27.11 | sandman13 | v0tick: use gparted and select your USB. Create two partitions on it. |
| 14:27.31 | smiba | heurist: ip forwarding is set, not sure about the routes.. How can i set them? |
| 14:27.39 | v0tick | sandman13: Ok I'll try that out, have to format it first since it won't mount now |
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| 14:28.16 | v0tick | sandman13: What partition types? |
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| 14:29.11 | sandman13 | v0tick: ext4 might work but I am not sure |
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| 14:30.03 | v0tick | sandman13: Alright well since it says make a FAT second partition in the tutorial I'll make a fat32 one, and use that for firmware, and ext4 for the iso stuff |
| 14:30.17 | sandman13 | v0tick: okay |
| 14:30.18 | dvs | v0tick: you dont format the iso part |
| 14:30.42 | v0tick | dvs: Oh, I'll just make it unallocated then |
| 14:31.04 | dvs | v0tick: copying the iso will reformat the entire USB. |
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| 14:31.57 | v0tick | dvs: Alright I have a fat32 on /dev/sdc2 (1 gig) now and "unknown system" on /dev/sdc1 (2.75gigs) |
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| 14:32.37 | dvs | v0tick: That will be wiped out when you copy the iso |
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| 14:33.39 | v0tick | dvs: Alright, well I'll follow tutorial now and copy iso over then sync, then mount the /dev/sdc1 and put tarball in it |
| 14:33.51 | dvs | NOo |
| 14:33.56 | Lachezar | Hello all. I'm having trouble upgrading tomcat7 in wheezy to what is in wheezy-backports. I have /etc/apt/sources.list.d/wheezy-backports.list, that contains the wheezy-backports for main, but the version on my system (after apt-get upgrade) is the one in stable. Please advise! |
| 14:34.14 | dvs | v0tick: You create a new partition after the copy and put the tarball on that. |
| 14:34.23 | Lachezar | ~ wheezy-backports |
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| 14:34.41 | Lachezar | ~~ wheezy-backports |
| 14:34.45 | petern_ | Lachezar, apt-get install -t wheezy-backports tomcat7? |
| 14:34.49 | v0tick | dvs: Ohh. Um, well I already made 2 partitions in gparted |
| 14:34.59 | v0tick | dvs: And using terminal for anything seems to screw me over in every way it can |
| 14:34.59 | Lachezar | petern_: Checking... |
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| 14:35.16 | dvs | gives up |
| 14:35.17 | petern_ | Lachezar, backports are only used if you specifically tell it |
| 14:35.29 | v0tick | ;_; |
| 14:35.57 | v0tick | dvs: I'll just start from scratch, and copy the iso to /dev/sdc then |
| 14:36.04 | Lachezar | petern_: I see. This seems to 'attempt' to install the backported version, but it seems that the packaging has changed significantly. |
| 14:36.12 | dvs | v0tick: correct |
| 14:36.22 | Lachezar | petern_: Still I'm a bit further. Thanks. Attempting upgrade. |
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| 14:38.33 | v0tick | dvs: ok ok, I plugged in again and it is now /dev/sdd, but copying over the iso. Had to open gparted to fix and clean it out to restart |
| 14:38.53 | dvs | no you don't |
| 14:39.12 | dvs | have to |
| 14:39.33 | v0tick | Oh |
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| 14:39.49 | v0tick | Well I suppose it was the quickest way for my newbie approaches |
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| 14:41.57 | punkgeek | e i using this command to change mysql pass; echo "mysqladmin -u root -p'$op' password $lp" but it doesnt work in shell script what should i do? |
| 14:42.16 | v0tick | dvs: seems the copying is complete, shall I execute "sync" command now? |
| 14:42.20 | dvs | yes |
| 14:42.35 | v0tick | dvs: Alrighty. So far no errors, sweet |
| 14:43.51 | v0tick | dvs: So to make a new partition, I just need to mount /dev/sdd2 and put the tarball in? I don't recall having sdd2 but maybe it will just exist if I mount |
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| 14:44.25 | dvs | v0tick: mouting does not create a new partition. gparted can create a new partition. |
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| 14:44.38 | v0tick | dvs: Ohh, ok that works then |
| 14:45.34 | dvs | use FAT32 like the instructions say. |
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| 14:46.12 | v0tick | dvs: It said error and now it shows debian wheezy on dev/sdd1 and other space unknown on dev/sdd2 |
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| 14:46.39 | punkgeek | no body know? |
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| 14:47.00 | dvs | v0tick: What says error? |
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| 14:47.49 | v0tick | dvs: I clicked apply pending operations, I had sdd as the iso like you told me, and then had partition #2 as remaining fat32 space. |
| 14:48.13 | dvs | v0tick: so format sdd2 as FAT32 |
| 14:48.35 | punkgeek | okay |
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| 14:49.09 | TheWarden | Hello |
| 14:49.10 | v0tick | dvs: ahh here, says "unable to open /dev/sdd2: device or resource busy" |
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| 14:50.05 | dvs | v0tick: So sdd2 mounted already? Type "mount" at the command line to see if this is so. |
| 14:50.15 | TheWarden | I'm needing some assistance. I'm trying to get a Samba 4 (active directory), Kerberos and PAM authentication setup. I've read many docs all which are quite old as I can't seem to find current info on this subject. |
| 14:50.21 | TheWarden | So far I've gotten no where. |
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| 14:50.48 | TheWarden | I have Samba 4 working fine as an active directory and people are authenticating fine to the domain via Windows workstations. I want to do the same on the Linux servers. |
| 14:51.02 | v0tick | dvs: not sure how to check if it is mounted; but lsblk shows dev/sdd1 and dev/sdd2 in list |
| 14:51.05 | TheWarden | It's my understanding I can do this with Kerberos and PAM authentication. |
| 14:51.21 | dvs | v0tick: I just told you. |
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| 14:51.38 | TheWarden | Do I need to install krb5-admin-server? I have krb5-user package installed. |
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| 14:51.42 | v0tick | dvs: yeah sorry I totally missed the word mount in your sentence.... kind of brain dead right now |
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| 14:52.27 | v0tick | dvs: sdd2 doesn't show up as mounted |
| 14:52.43 | TheWarden | if I do wbinfo -K domain\username I'm able to authenticate successfully. So to me that means I have the necessary packages/services installed yet for the life of me I've not been able to figure out in Debian what needs to be changed in the /etc/pam.d/* to attempt authentication via domain first |
| 14:52.53 | TheWarden | then if no success use unix auth. |
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| 14:53.09 | dvs | v0tick: Try and mount it and see what happens. |
| 14:53.15 | v0tick | dvs: Will do |
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| 14:54.10 | TheWarden | I need SSH to be supported for auth and to map members in administrators group to sudo as well restrict servers for only those apart of the administrators group to be permitted to login to the server. |
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| 14:55.12 | v0tick | dvs: It says it is already mounted, and from the "mount" command, /dev/sdd is in the list, so perhaps /dev/sdd2 counts as it is a sub-partition? |
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| 14:56.05 | dvs | v0tick: Then it's already mounted and "mount" should tell you where it's mounts. Copy the firmware tar to that directory. |
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| 14:57.51 | v0tick | dvs: Says I cannot copy to the mount point as it is a read only file system |
| 14:58.02 | v0tick | dvs: This is where I got stuck in all my other attempts at doing this |
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| 14:59.27 | dvs | v0tick: Hmmmm... Whatever is automounting it is screwing it up. I'd try to umount it and remount it as read-write |
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| 15:01.24 | v0tick | dvs: I tried sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdd2 and it says can't find /dev/sdd2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
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| 15:02.08 | v0tick | dvs: Maybe the usb is just busy and I need to plug it into a different port then try copying again? |
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| 15:02.24 | v0tick | dvs: But yeah, every time I copy over the iso stuff and sync, it makes it read only and I can't seem to change it |
| 15:02.28 | dvs | v0tick: You need the directory where it's mounted as another argument at the end. |
| 15:03.37 | v0tick | dvs: Alright, made a bit of progress, I put in: sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdd2 "Debian 7.6.0 amd64 1" -t fat32, and now it says "cannot remount block device /dev/sdd2 read-write, is write protected |
| 15:04.22 | dvs | moving to another computer |
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| 15:09.16 | Walex2 | v0tick: that is not quite right or sensible; but anyhow make sure you look at system log messages to see if the device has some issue |
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| 15:10.28 | junka | does debian uses ufw by default? |
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| 15:11.51 | votick | dvs: Pardon, I closed gparted and my laptop completely crashed/froze... rebooting, as I'm on desktop right now |
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| 15:12.35 | dvs | votick: gparted was still open? No wonder why sdd2 was still busy! |
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| 15:13.07 | votick | dvs: Ohh, well, I had it open so I could save the changes |
| 15:13.42 | babilen | votick: First and foremost: You almost certainly have to install the non-free nvidia drivers and *not* firmware. Did you try that? |
| 15:13.42 | dvs | votick: As soon as you created sdd2, you should have saved the changes and close it. |
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| 15:14.24 | votick | dvs: Oh... I tried making it fat32 |
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| 15:14.48 | babilen | Well, you might need firmware too, but I guess that your problem with nouveau will go away if you install those drivers. For that you chroot into your install and follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 15:14.51 | votick | babilen: Not sure how to get those, since I can't seem to set up a usb in the first place, and if I ignore firmware it won't detect my ethernet card |
| 15:14.54 | dvs | votick: Oh yes, make it FAT32 afterwards and then close gparted. |
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| 15:15.11 | babilen | votick: Okay, do you have ethernet now? |
| 15:15.15 | votick | dvs: That is where I get the error though, I try saving and it says nope |
| 15:15.34 | votick | babilen: I have ethernet when I ran just the iso stuff using the firmware netinst .iso |
| 15:15.45 | babilen | votick: And why don't you use that? |
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| 15:16.07 | votick | babilen: Got rekt by the nouveau errors again by grub. |
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| 15:16.18 | votick | babilen: I disabled something like acpi and some nouveau modsets=0 and it let me access a terminal |
| 15:16.23 | votick | babilen: But then I had no internet access... |
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| 15:16.46 | v0tick | switches back to laptop |
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| 15:17.01 | babilen | votick: What happened to your internet? |
| 15:17.06 | v0tick | dvs: I put in usb again and it gave an error saying couldn't mount due to right protection |
| 15:17.28 | v0tick | babilen: It seems ok during installation, I was able to get through installer and I "think" it connected? It showed local networks in my area |
| 15:17.40 | dvs | v0tick: Some program is automounting sdd2 on you. |
| 15:17.53 | babilen | So you could configure a mirror just fine with the netinstall? |
| 15:17.56 | v0tick | babilen: But then once I hit grub and disabled the acpi to let me actually boot debian, I had a black screen/terminal I could browse files on, and no clue what to do |
| 15:18.04 | v0tick | babilen: Oh no, couldn't find any mirrors |
| 15:18.17 | v0tick | dvs: I'll see if I can disable it |
| 15:18.33 | babilen | So, but to start again: As opposed to before you now have the means to connect to the internet via ethernet? |
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| 15:18.49 | MMackx_ | Hi all. Got this keyboard I want to get working with wheezy. But no driver to be found. its usb keyboard What is best way to get it working? udev |
| 15:19.00 | v0tick | babilen: I have a wireless adapter that I plugged into a usb port, and it showed local networks during install |
| 15:19.02 | babilen | v0tick: You just have to unmount it. It is probably some filemanager that does it. |
| 15:19.20 | v0tick | babilen: and with the netinstall pack it didn't give me "can't find ethernet card" error |
| 15:19.31 | v0tick | babilen: But I still got hit by the nouveau thing at the very end... |
| 15:19.36 | babilen | v0tick: That is not ethernet but wireless. Did you connect to one of those local networks? Can you connect via ethernet (i.e. with a cable) |
| 15:19.44 | ChrisH | Since a while, after plugging an USB storage device and selecting "open wth filemanager' libreoffice gets started... KDE, Debian testing. Where to check this? |
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| 15:20.11 | v0tick | babilen: I'm no where near a modem, but I could take the ethernet from downstairs and try something out maybe? |
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| 15:21.02 | babilen | v0tick: You will *always* be hit by the nouveau thing unless: 1. You install the proprietary nvidia driver or (maybe, don't know) 2. You use a newer installer with an up-to-date kernel (e.g. 3.14) -- Unfortunately we *still* don't make that available, but once you've managed to boot into Debian we can sort that out. |
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| 15:22.53 | v0tick | babilen: Hmm.... I need to figure out which direction to go then |
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| 15:22.57 | babilen | v0tick: So my recommendation would be: Install Debian and find ethernet. Boot into it (nomodeset if applicable) then get networking going. (e.g. "ip link set eth0 up" + "dhclient eth0", or configure it in /etc/network/interfaces with "iface inet eth0 dhcp" and run "ifup eth0"). Once you've done that you can install a newer kernel by following <bdo kernel> or the nvidia driver by following the instructions on the wiki. |
| 15:23.47 | babilen | But then: Can't you simply remove your nvidia card from that box and use the onboard intel one until you've installed and configured the box? |
| 15:23.51 | v0tick | babilen: So there is no way of doing it via wireless adaptor though? I had a wlan0 thing show up on iwconfig; but said no connection, and it showed local networks |
| 15:24.14 | v0tick | babilen: Uh, so you mean the graphics card? |
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| 15:24.55 | babilen | Well, you can, naturally, connect via wireless too, but configuring encrypted ones is a *bit* harder than ethernet, but not impossible. See https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line for details |
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| 15:25.11 | babilen | v0tick: Yes, I am referring to your graphic card |
| 15:25.51 | v0tick | babilen: Heh, interesting idea actually. |
| 15:26.05 | babilen | It really is a shame that we still don't offer installers with a newer kernel (not sure if the nouveau version would be better, but it might solve that for you) |
| 15:26.40 | dvs | prays for kmuto |
| 15:26.44 | v0tick | babilen: well glad to know it is partially out of my control. I always feel extremely stupid going from windows to linux, but I'm not giving up this time O_O |
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| 15:27.07 | babilen | I mean if you don't use the nvidia card you can easily boot with the on-board Intel GPU (which are typically well supported) and then sort things our so that once you put the nvidia card back in it is behaving |
| 15:27.15 | babilen | v0tick: This is just new software vs old kernel |
| 15:27.30 | tethra | hey folks, is there a dedicated channel for debian + golang? trying to find the best place to ask about golang packaging |
| 15:27.31 | babilen | dvs: kmuto won't do it and the kernel team promised to make them available for quite some time now |
| 15:28.09 | v0tick | babilen: So should I try that approach first, or wireless adaptor? I'll hit both issues at some point either way |
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| 15:28.26 | v0tick | babilen: If I keep graphics card in, I can get a terminal booted again, and try getting internets on adaptor |
| 15:28.44 | v0tick | babilen: but if I go and take graphics card out, I'll still have the internet issue to sort out, so may as well tackle it first |
| 15:28.52 | babilen | Sounds like a plan. |
| 15:29.33 | babilen | I still don't quite understand why you didn't just setup mirrors and networking when you testing the firmware image, but fair enough ... |
| 15:29.37 | v0tick | babilen: Slightly butthurt that I don't understand how the whole partition/usb thing works; but I'll push that issue for a later time. |
| 15:29.50 | v0tick | babilen: It wouldn't let me connect to mirrors |
| 15:30.13 | dvs | v0tick: The firmware iso route would have been easier. |
| 15:30.31 | v0tick | dvs: I'm going to resort back to that... lol I have it already installed on my ssd |
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| 15:30.50 | v0tick | dvs: But I just have to remember how to get passed the nouveau error. Involved adding a couple lines in grub config |
| 15:31.11 | etheraap | hi folks, a question; if i bring up my default interface (eth0) it automatically creates a "route <my ip> to <default gw>". But i want to specify each route by hand (with post-up) does anyone know where i can disable this? |
| 15:31.21 | babilen | v0tick: It is easy: 1. You copy the image *directly* to the drive. (e.g. cp image.iso /dev/sdb ; sync). 2. As the image contains a partition table with two partitions you will now have /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2, but there won't be any filesystem on /dev/sdb2 so create one with "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb2". 3. Then mount /dev/sdb2 and unpack the firmware.tar.gz there and unmount it once you are done |
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| 15:31.51 | dvs | !prize babilen |
| 15:31.51 | dpkg | gives babilen a medal. |
| 15:32.03 | babilen | \o/ |
| 15:32.24 | tethra | heh :D |
| 15:32.28 | tethra | didn't know that was a thing |
| 15:33.14 | v0tick | babilen: I'll try that stuff again quick |
| 15:33.24 | v0tick | babilen: It kept giving me write-protection error though before |
| 15:33.51 | babilen | hasn't seen "write-protection" in a long time, but maybe you have a funny stick or use a funny operating system |
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| 15:34.23 | babilen | It might also be one of those usb-modeswitch devices |
| 15:34.43 | babilen | I'll be back in a little bit. |
| 15:34.47 | v0tick | babilen: I don't even know, found it in a library lol |
| 15:34.49 | v0tick | and alright |
| 15:34.49 | petern_ | Is the device actually sdb? heh |
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| 15:35.28 | babilen | Yes, please *triple* check that you write to the correct device. "dmesg|tail -n23" after plugging it in. |
| 15:36.21 | v0tick | babilen: It says test wp failed assume write enabled asking for cache data failed" |
| 15:36.25 | v0tick | I just can't avoid these errors |
| 15:38.18 | v0tick | petern_: device is sdb it says |
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| 15:40.21 | babilen | v0tick: It says that when you do what? |
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| 15:40.45 | MO_Handes | there's this /sys/devices/platform/sony-laptop/thermal-control file which I manually write "silent" in it to make my laptop fan silent but after a while it automatically gets changed to "balanced", what is the problem? how can I find out which service, etc is changing the file? how can I prevent it from being changed? |
| 15:40.45 | v0tick | babilen: yes, I get lines of text saying that |
| 15:41.08 | babilen | When? |
| 15:41.49 | v0tick | [ 1817.941085] XFS (sdc2): Corruption detected. Unmount and run xfs_repair |
| 15:41.49 | v0tick | [ 1817.941114] XFS (sdc2): SB validate failed with error 22. |
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| 15:41.54 | v0tick | babilen: it says that |
| 15:42.03 | v0tick | babilen: Along with some other lines about write protection |
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| 15:42.33 | babilen | v0tick: When you do *what* ? |
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| 15:42.53 | v0tick | babilen: Oh, sorry. When I type dmesg | tail |
| 15:42.55 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 15:43.10 | babilen | v0tick: Are you sure that /dev/sdc is your usb stick? |
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| 15:43.31 | Posterdati | please, how can I get the text/x-asm icon in kde oxygen theme? |
| 15:43.32 | babilen | v0tick: Could you plugin in your stick and then immediately run "dmesg|tail -n42" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 15:43.42 | v0tick | babilen: alright one moment |
| 15:43.44 | MO_Handes | late answers in #debian sometimes make me want to cross-post in foreign distors channels :( |
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| 15:44.34 | babilen | MO_Handes: There is ##linux if you are unhappy here and a number of mailing lists. Please don't complain but either ask again later or be patient. |
| 15:44.41 | v0tick | babilen: http://pastebin.com/Btj07PeP |
| 15:44.42 | petn-randall | MO_Handes: 3 minutes is *really* not a lot time ... |
| 15:45.03 | petn-randall | s/lot/long/ |
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| 15:47.17 | v0tick | babilen: Does it look like the usb is just broken perhaps? I can still store stuff on it |
| 15:47.43 | petern_ | Urgh, virt-manager hanging on Step 1 of New VM :( |
| 15:47.53 | babilen | v0tick: That's not the output of "dmesg|tail -n42" but fair enough. (and please use http://paste.debian.net or http://refheap.com or another pastebin that is not pastebin.com) |
| 15:48.05 | heurist | v0tick: all your problems over the past few days have looked like hardware issue to me. |
| 15:48.21 | v0tick | heurist: I thought I picked out good parts ;_; |
| 15:48.27 | v0tick | babilen: Alright, I'll do that one moment. |
| 15:48.46 | babilen | v0tick: I don't necessarily see an error with your device. Run "cp debian.iso /dev/sdc ; sync" and see what happens. |
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| 15:49.29 | v0tick | here babilen: http://paste.debian.net/112954/ |
| 15:49.35 | v0tick | I'll try it again then |
| 15:49.57 | petern_ | virt-manager/libvirt is getting tricky to use when it doesn't lbooyd work :( |
| 15:49.58 | v0tick | babilen: I already ran that first step of copying over the iso, it works. It's getting firmware into /dev/sdc2 that doesn't work |
| 15:50.12 | v0tick | babilen: The moment I copy over the iso it becomes right protected and doesn't let me do anything (read only) etc |
| 15:50.18 | babilen | v0tick: The errors you mention are unrelated to your USB stick (note the sdb vs sdc) |
| 15:50.40 | v0tick | babilen: Hm, alright. |
| 15:50.42 | babilen | v0tick: Okay, please run "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc" now |
| 15:50.50 | babilen | err, no! |
| 15:51.05 | v0tick | Ok, didn't run it |
| 15:51.05 | babilen | "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc2" that is :) |
| 15:51.08 | v0tick | ok ok |
| 15:51.10 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 15:51.21 | babilen | (as root naturally) |
| 15:51.36 | MO_Handes | what is meant by "regular file" ? how can a file be NOT regular or what can it be to be called non-regular? http://paste.debian.net/112955/ |
| 15:51.38 | v0tick | sudo rm -rf / |
| 15:51.40 | v0tick | lol |
| 15:51.41 | dvs | !coffee babilen |
| 15:51.41 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade Colombian for babilen, courtesy of dvs |
| 15:51.44 | banjo | babilen: whats up with pastebin.com? |
| 15:51.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell banjo -about pastebin.cim |
| 15:51.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell banjo -about pastebin.com |
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| 15:52.19 | banjo | ok thanks |
| 15:52.28 | babilen | banjo: Essentially: Horrible pastebin full of ads and "social media integration" that gets traffic from the great unwashed that simply googles "pastebin" |
| 15:53.02 | babilen | And I will *not* enter captchas if I want to help someone |
| 15:53.10 | banjo | never used it:) |
| 15:53.30 | petern_ | MO_Handes, /sys is a pretty special filesystem. |
| 15:53.35 | v0tick | babilen: I entered the command. Won't use pastebin anymore either. |
| 15:53.41 | v0tick | muh freedom |
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| 15:54.15 | babilen | v0tick: Please don't mention commands such as the rm one in this channel again. We do not take lightly to that and people are getting banned for such jokes. (you never know who might try your commands) |
| 15:54.27 | petern_ | Hm, maybe... does libvirt/virt-manager not work well with lvm? |
| 15:54.33 | v0tick | babilen: Oh sorry, yeah you're right. |
| 15:54.52 | babilen | v0tick: Your particular command won't have an effect, but please keep it in mind. |
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| 15:55.10 | v0tick | babilen: Alright I won't do it again. And typical, most of my commands don't seem to work :( |
| 15:55.11 | babilen | petern_: In what way? |
| 15:55.22 | babilen | v0tick: hahaha |
| 15:55.30 | heurist | linuxthefish: ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be places to start. |
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| 15:56.04 | MO_Handes | petern_, how special? |
| 15:56.14 | babilen | v0tick: So, what about that mkfs? |
| 15:56.32 | v0tick | babilen: I put in the command, and no errors showed up, nor did anything noticeable happen |
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| 15:56.44 | babilen | v0tick: Did it return? |
| 15:56.44 | v0tick | mkfs.vfat 3.0.16 (01 Mar 2013) |
| 15:56.46 | v0tick | That is the output |
| 15:56.49 | petern_ | MO_Handes, everything is dynamic, not real files. You can't put new files on it. |
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| 15:58.00 | babilen | v0tick: So, the command ran for a while and returned? |
| 15:58.37 | v0tick | babilen: yes |
| 15:58.54 | MO_Handes | petern_, is it created during boot? who creates the files and how often? |
| 15:59.24 | petern_ | MO_Handes, the kernel does it all |
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| 15:59.46 | petern_ | babilen, http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3565/ |
| 15:59.49 | babilen | v0tick: Can you open a filemanager and mount it? |
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| 16:00.21 | babilen | v0tick: Or run "mkdir /mnt/installer" followed by "mount -t vfat /dev/sdc2 /mnt/installer". Then copy the firmware.tar.gz over, unpack it and "umount /mnt/installer" |
| 16:00.32 | babilen | (don't forget to "rmdir /mnt/installer" once you are done) |
| 16:01.00 | v0tick | babilen: oh no errors for once |
| 16:01.10 | v0tick | babilen: I'll copy the file over |
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| 16:02.47 | babilen | And that is the XFCE or KDE CD1 isn't it? |
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| 16:03.24 | jcelerier | hello! |
| 16:03.33 | petern_ | babilen, interesting... i fixed it by deleting the default pool (on lvm) and creating a new pool with a different name "guests" on lvm. |
| 16:03.39 | jcelerier | do you know if there is a way to have powernap-like functionnality on jessie ? |
| 16:03.45 | petern_ | now the new vm interface works... |
| 16:03.59 | babilen | petern_: hmmm :-/ |
| 16:04.03 | jcelerier | (powernap makes your server go to sleep when there are no people connected to it, no updates running, stuff like this) |
| 16:04.19 | petern_ | mind you it tries to create a new pool called "default" by itself at /var/lib/libvirt/images, but it can't because i already have a pool called "images" there. |
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| 16:05.10 | v0tick | babilen: Alright I copied it |
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| 16:05.26 | v0tick | bablien: I have no clue how that worked; but it didn't give me an error and the file is now in /mnt/installer |
| 16:05.40 | petern_ | babilen, this isn't a freak occurance either, I have 2 other machines set up with the "default" pool set to lvm, and the New VM interface locks up there too. |
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| 16:05.52 | roaksoax_ | jcelerier: that could pontentially be done |
| 16:05.58 | babilen | jcelerier: Doesn't seem to have made it into the archive. You might want to ask for it to be synced from Ubuntu (cf. "/msg dpkg rfp", ping the maintainer there, ...) or just compile it from source. |
| 16:06.02 | roaksoax_ | jcelerier: if someone steps up to the maintenance of it |
| 16:06.17 | Abbott | is there some way to fork any process to background? I am trying to fork stalonetray |
| 16:06.18 | jcelerier | the thing is, I looked the ubuntu package and it looks quite tied to upstart |
| 16:06.21 | babilen | v0tick: Okay, make sure to unpack it |
| 16:06.26 | v0tick | Oh yeah... ok |
| 16:06.33 | Jobbe | Hmm |
| 16:06.39 | Jobbe | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 16:06.39 | Jobbe | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.39 | Jobbe | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:06.43 | jcelerier | so I wanted to know if there was some kind of similar package for systemd for instance ? |
| 16:06.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell Jobbe -about bat |
| 16:06.50 | Jobbe | Have a small problem with a package i need to get rid of |
| 16:06.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell Jobbe -about paste |
| 16:06.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell Jobbe -about paste |
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| 16:07.12 | petern_ | jcelerier, how does it know when to wake up? :) |
| 16:07.16 | v0tick | bablien: It actually worked, files are in there |
| 16:07.27 | Jobbe | babilen: three lines dude |
| 16:07.45 | babilen | Jobbe: We have to see more! |
| 16:07.55 | Jobbe | alright, what you need to see ? |
| 16:07.59 | jcelerier | petern_ : I'd do it using wake-on lan |
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| 16:08.09 | petern_ | Ah right, manually. |
| 16:08.21 | roaksoax_ | jcelerier: in what way is tied to upstart? |
| 16:08.26 | petern_ | Does WOL work after pm-suspend? |
| 16:08.29 | babilen | Jobbe: Everything (i.e. command, output, apt-cache policy, ...) -- Which is why I asked the bot to sent you the <bat> factoid. |
| 16:08.42 | Jobbe | babilen: i never got anything though |
| 16:08.45 | babilen | v0tick: Which image did you write to the stick now btw? |
| 16:08.52 | babilen | Jobbe: How come? |
| 16:09.10 | v0tick | Um, think it was liveboot not sure though. |
| 16:09.21 | nollidj | i'm dealing with fallout from https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258 (note extended systemd bug discussion below). are there currently any reasonable workarounds? |
| 16:09.35 | v0tick | babilen: sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc2 << this command was magical |
| 16:09.37 | babilen | v0tick: What? Are you referring to Debian Live? Why did you copy that to your stick? |
| 16:09.45 | Jobbe | oh wai there |
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| 16:10.06 | v0tick | bablien: Well, I want a live version of debian |
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| 16:10.23 | v0tick | babilen: I'm going to try putting usb in my new pc and see what happens |
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| 16:10.38 | jcelerier | roaksoax_ : just checked again, I was mistaken. I'll try to build it |
| 16:11.00 | babilen | v0tick: You don't want the live CD but to install Debian or am I mistaken about your goal all along? |
| 16:11.15 | v0tick | babilen: I would like to have debian running |
| 16:11.19 | Jobbe | http://jobbe.me/p/1.txt http://jobbe.me/p/2.txt http://jobbe.me/p/3.txt |
| 16:11.29 | v0tick | bablien: Full time, no holding back |
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| 16:11.57 | day | my pc runs a http server. how do i kill it for good? I have no idea which one tho. It was part of the initial installation :/ |
| 16:12.01 | babilen | v0tick: And you should *either* use the netinstall *with* firmware *or* one of the various CD1 install images we offer (one for each desktop environment). You need to put the firmware on it for the CD1 (obviously not for the netinstall with firmware) |
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| 16:12.24 | v0tick | babilen: Does the net install have the same firmware on it? |
| 16:12.26 | day | it doesnt seem to be apche |
| 16:12.33 | some_guy | can I dist-upgrade and install new software with one command using apt-get? |
| 16:12.33 | babilen | v0tick: Firmware is the same, yeah |
| 16:12.39 | v0tick | babilen: and i'll do that then. I already have the netinstall one loaded |
| 16:12.45 | v0tick | babilen: It just gives nouveau thing though |
| 16:12.58 | v0tick | babilen: let me try getting that working again and I'll let you know when I hit terminal |
| 16:13.02 | jcelerier | petern_ : also, since I migrated my Jessie to sd I'd do it without pm-utils |
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| 16:13.18 | nollidj | day: is it listening on port 80 (standard http port)? try netstat -ta to find the process responsible |
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| 16:13.44 | nollidj | day: sorry, netstat -pat |
| 16:13.45 | babilen | v0tick: I am referring to http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ or the CD1 images in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 16:13.46 | day | nollidj: hm i just check ps aux and i have apache running...but it doesnt know the apache command |
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| 16:14.06 | babilen | v0tick: I'll be back in a little while. |
| 16:14.21 | v0tick | babilen: Alright, thanks for the help with things. |
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| 16:14.24 | nollidj | day: dpkg -l '*apache*' |
| 16:14.38 | v0tick | babilen: I'll be around all day/night, for the rest of the month ... lol |
| 16:14.39 | nollidj | packages with "ii" on the left are installed |
| 16:14.45 | day | nollidj: it was su restricted... |
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| 16:15.07 | nollidj | what was? the dpkg command or the apache command? |
| 16:15.38 | nollidj | the dpkg command should give you an idea of what apache packages are installed. it's likely that apache2 is. if so, you can remove that |
| 16:15.43 | petern_ | jcelerier, oh, well, this channel is for stable support. |
| 16:15.52 | Jobbe | so babilen what now ? |
| 16:16.00 | babilen | Jobbe: urd is not in Debian, but take a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/urd.postrm as that is the script that is failing. Feel free to add "set -x" after "set -e" in there or simply an "exit 0" to make it just exit. You probably want to figure out what went wrong. |
| 16:16.15 | babilen | Jobbe: Please also contact whoever made that package available to you for support. |
| 16:16.23 | babilen | judd: v urd |
| 16:16.24 | judd | No package named 'urd' was found in i386. |
| 16:16.38 | day | nollidj: yes it was apache2 |
| 16:17.25 | day | nollidj: do i have to restart the system? because i still get a response when i request a page via browser |
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| 16:17.39 | babilen | v0tick: Okay, so boot into your box and bring it online (either via wireless, cf. https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line ) or ethernet. |
| 16:17.43 | nollidj | day: try completely refreshing the page. it might be in cache. |
| 16:17.44 | Jobbe | babilen: thanks! that worked! |
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| 16:18.08 | nollidj | if you're sure that there is still a service listening on port 80 and that it's apache, you can do something like 'service apache2 stop' |
| 16:18.19 | jcelerier | petern_ : sorry ! I'll search the testing chan. Thanks! |
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| 16:18.26 | babilen | v0tick: I still think you are making it way too hard for you by not just removing the nvidia card from your box, creating an XFCE (you wanted XFCE didn't you) installer with firmware (as I just showed you) and then finishing that installation. |
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| 16:18.38 | nollidj | but the service should have been halted when you removed the package. i'm not really familiar with the apache packages that exist, but there could be others actually responsible for the service |
| 16:18.51 | babilen | v0tick: Once you've done that you can install a newer kernel and even the nvidia driver, put the nvidia card back in and take it from there. |
| 16:19.16 | Jobbe | babilen: i was just trying different alternatives to a program |
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| 16:19.43 | babilen | v0tick: Also make sure to configure the network and mirror during the install, you need a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/112961/ |
| 16:19.47 | petern_ | Hmm, I wonder if this bug is in virt-manager or libvirt :) |
| 16:19.52 | babilen | Jobbe: Well, that particular package does not appear to be a Debian one |
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| 16:20.44 | day | nollidj: forgot a few packages :) |
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| 16:21.27 | nollidj | day: ok. be aware that some might be installed because they're recommended by others. e.g., i don't run apache, but i have apache2-bin installed because of recommendations of gnome-bluetooth |
| 16:21.54 | Jobbe | babilen: nope i found some of them from the directory.fsf.org |
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| 16:24.37 | day | nollidj: it *should* be fine :D |
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| 16:25.59 | v0tick | babilen: Alright. I booted into the os terminal. I'll leave it like that until you're back then |
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| 16:30.36 | day | if a port check via http://www.canyouseeme.org/ says the port is open, but im still unable to create a ssh connection through it. DOes it mean theres packet inspection going on? |
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| 16:41.06 | nollidj | day: you can use netstat to see what ports your machine is actually doing things on |
| 16:41.43 | day | nollidj: i wasnt talking about my machine, but the firewall inbetween. THe machines do exactly what i want them to do |
| 16:41.55 | day | the firewall is new, therefore i know its the problem |
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| 16:51.12 | somiaj | 31698 ? Ss 0:00 \_ sshd: root [priv] -- from ps fax does that mean I have someone loged in as root on my machine? |
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| 16:52.06 | mah454 | How can run Gui Application like firefox without Desktop Environment ? |
| 16:53.39 | Brigo | mah454, you cannot. |
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| 16:53.55 | somiaj | mah454: lynx and links2 are two console webbrowers |
| 16:54.00 | zsoltsandor | hi |
| 16:54.38 | mah454 | somiaj: no no no I talk like firefox , or like other GUI Applications , i need run this application without desktop |
| 16:54.59 | mah454 | after login X server start application |
| 16:55.03 | mah454 | not desktop |
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| 16:56.04 | Brigo | somiaj, did you check the /var/log/auth ? |
| 16:56.43 | somiaj | mah454: provided the application is not dependent on the desktop you can run it with any window manager you want or even run xorg with out any window manager. You can run them from .xsession |
| 16:57.31 | somiaj | Brigo: I don't have time, looks like I have some bot that has found my open ssh port. I only needed it for a few days (usually I turned it off). I'm gonna keep it turned off today, I cannot tell if someone actually loged or not. I thought I had password disabled for root but seems maybe pam bypassed it, I'll be parsing the logs later when I have time |
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| 16:57.51 | mah454 | somiaj: can run fullscreen mode ? |
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| 16:58.22 | somiaj | mah454: I belive so, you are very limited with out a WM and xorg, but it is possible to do some stuff. I would suggest jsut getting a light weight WM |
| 16:58.24 | Brigo | mah454, that is application depending. |
| 16:58.47 | mah454 | ok |
| 16:58.50 | mah454 | thank you ") |
| 16:58.53 | mah454 | :) |
| 16:58.59 | zsoltsandor | i'd like to run brackets editor on debian wheezy, but i'd prefer not to compile it every time there's a new release. brackets needs newer libc6. steamos can provide that. is it safe to add steamos repos? |
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| 16:59.32 | Brigo | zsoltsandor, no it is not. |
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| 16:59.39 | Brigo | !tell zsoltsandor about frankendebian |
| 16:59.44 | Boscop | i can't connect to wifi, using driver r8712u. wlan0 is up, and dhclient wlan0 returns without errors, but it doesn't connect |
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| 17:00.04 | somiaj | oh well looks like I have more to worry about once I get home, hopefully it isn't to bad yet |
| 17:00.04 | sheap | is there a way to pass the username variable made by ipxe login to the preseed file to use in the hostname? |
| 17:00.18 | Arhys | Hello |
| 17:00.25 | Arhys | :) |
| 17:01.29 | zsoltsandor | that's sad. :/ |
| 17:01.47 | babilen | v0tick: ping |
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| 17:02.14 | Arhys | hello again |
| 17:02.16 | Arhys | :p |
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| 17:02.27 | zsoltsandor | i'm running ubuntu 14.04 atm, but tbh it's quite a bloated creature. |
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| 17:03.17 | BluesKaj | zsoltsandor, unity? |
| 17:03.17 | Brigo | zsoltsandor, then you should know we do not support ubuntu |
| 17:03.26 | Brigo | !tell zsoltsandor about ubuntu |
| 17:04.13 | zsoltsandor | Brigo, i'm aware of that, i'd like to switch to debian, that's why i'm here. but it seems this is a catch 22. :/ |
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| 17:07.06 | BluesKaj | zsoltsandor, how so? |
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| 17:07.32 | Brigo | zsoltsandor, you can try to compile the package for debian. or install (or backport the library olny) |
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| 17:08.20 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | what other MS "tech" or stack would benefit "the Linux ecosystem" and consequently Debian if it were open-sourced by MS: NTFS, exFAT, Exchange server, ¿...? |
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| 17:11.06 | sheap | how would I use the kernel command line arguments in the debian installer/preseed? |
| 17:11.22 | sheap | it's in /proc/commandline or w/e, but how would I actually use that? |
| 17:13.17 | musca | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: a cmis server? |
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| 17:13.54 | petern_ | Hmm, anyone installed oracle db on wheezy? :S |
| 17:14.09 | petern_ | has no idea why they want oracle db :S |
| 17:14.48 | Brigo | sheap, usually you can use echo to write "echo 'example'> /proc/commandline" or cat to read "cat /proc/readline" |
| 17:16.12 | sheap | Brigo: well I'm trying to use only one of the variables in the /proc/cmdline to use in the preseed for the hostname, would it be an 'early_command' to parse that variable? |
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| 17:16.24 | IlIlIlIlIlIlI | musca: MS SharePoint? |
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| 17:17.18 | Brigo | sheap, wich one? |
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| 17:17.38 | sheap | Brigo: one that I define, it's called 'username' |
| 17:19.19 | Brigo | sheap, you can try to use cat /proc/cmdline/ | cut -d" " -f(number of string) |
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| 17:20.14 | gjvc | you need to split /proc/pid/cmdline on character zero |
| 17:20.29 | gjvc | oh |
| 17:20.30 | gjvc | ignore me |
| 17:20.33 | sheap | :P |
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| 17:20.42 | gjvc | & |
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| 17:23.05 | musca | IlIlIlIlIlIlI: yes, and libreoffice is a cmis client. |
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| 17:25.25 | sheap | so I guess the next question is how does the preseed file handle variables |
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| 17:28.31 | jmcnaught | sheap: have you tried using "d-i:netcfg/hostname=foo" as the boot parameter? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs02.html.en#preseed-bootparms |
| 17:29.18 | zsoltsandor | well, i must admit that the compilation docs for brackets are above my level. :/ |
| 17:29.21 | sheap | jmcnaught: that looks like something more in line with what im looking for! I'll try thanks! |
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| 17:31.22 | Brigo | zsoltsandor, where are them? |
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| 17:34.30 | sheap | jmcnaught: that worked :D |
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| 17:39.01 | Galvik | hi *, I've a problem with wine (I have a Windows application to run under Linux...) and XFCE: basically there are some "glitches" on rendering using a windows software under XFCE, and not under KDE or Fluxbox. Someone can help me with that? |
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| 17:40.32 | Brigo | Galvik, search in windows manager configuration. May be a problem about composition or other thing about graphic |
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| 17:45.09 | ovanu | Trying to install debian wheezy on >2TB disk. Installer doesn't seem to provide an option for grub-efi built-in. Is there a way to specify this within the default installer? |
| 17:45.22 | zsoltsandor | Brigo: part one of the docs: https://github.com/adobe/brackets-shell/wiki/Building-brackets-shell |
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| 17:45.36 | zsoltsandor | part two of the docs: https://github.com/adobe/brackets/wiki/How-to-Hack-on-Brackets |
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| 17:45.55 | babilen | ovanu: It will use grub-efi if you boot with UEFI (might need a GPT header on the disk) |
| 17:46.05 | zsoltsandor | based on this: https://github.com/adobe/brackets/issues/4816#issuecomment-43368619 |
| 17:46.06 | sheap | so the hostname that the preseed file gets from the kernal boot params is correct, but it still stops to ask me the hostname. I don't have anything in the actual preseed file for the hostname (removed d-i netcfg/get_hostname string unassigned-hostname from preseed file) |
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| 17:46.24 | sheap | how to I make the installer continue on? |
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| 17:49.18 | zsoltsandor | the automated brackets compilation script is suited for that 2bastard child" distro. debian compilation requires changes to the whole procedure. |
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| 17:50.23 | Brigo | zsoltsandor, the page say nothing about it :/ |
| 17:50.35 | Brigo | zsoltsandor, i will try to compile myself |
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| 17:52.02 | zsoltsandor | the issue tracker has some hints at the required changes, like changing chromiumembedded (cef) |
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| 17:56.08 | ovanu | babilen: shouldn't the installer automatically configure GPT headers before installing the boot loader? |
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| 17:58.52 | babilen | ovanu: It should, I am not absolutely sure about the exact implementation. (hence the "might") |
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| 17:59.24 | ovanu | ic |
| 17:59.25 | notmarc | with my experience with anything, just because it should, doesn't mean it does/will. |
| 17:59.52 | zsoltsandor | just a suggestion: if brackets compiles for someone with more experience with nodejs, grunt, cef, etc., it could be added to contrib, or something. just a thought. :) |
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| 18:04.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell zsoltsandor -about rfp |
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| 18:05.08 | tytan | Is there already a solution for the potential badUSB problem? :) |
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| 18:05.44 | babilen | tytan: What's the bug number for that? I am not entirely sure which well-known problem you refer to exactly. |
| 18:05.56 | junka | which firewall should i install/ |
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| 18:06.28 | mousa | I just installed debian wheezy into my laptop, but I didn't get to chose what desktop environment I want to use. I wanted to use KDE, but it installed Gnome as default |
| 18:06.38 | babilen | junka: There is only one firewall on Linux (iptables). Why do you think you need one? |
| 18:06.39 | Brigo | zsoltsandor, it no so easy, It should compile in debian native environment, and i think it cannot now |
| 18:06.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell mousa -about install kde |
| 18:07.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell junka about firewall |
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| 18:07.59 | Brigo | zsoltsandor, i am dowloading source to try, but i think it will fail to compile becasue there are broken links:W: Imposible obtener http://ppa.launchpad.net/chris-lea/node.js/ubuntu/dists/wheezy/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found, for example. |
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| 18:08.58 | anumu | hi |
| 18:09.18 | mousa | babilen, I can install now KDE now, but the question is why was there no option while installation. I did a non graphical installation, before I did graphical installation and there I had the option |
| 18:09.23 | zsoltsandor | Brigo: yep, the automated script is suited for ubuntu, it will want to add a ppa for a newer nodejs. ppas are not suited for debian, therefore a manual configuration is required. |
| 18:09.25 | junka | babilen: i thought that a firewall protects my computer |
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| 18:10.07 | babilen | mousa: As the bot told you: If you use the normal netinst image you have to choose it in the boot menu |
| 18:10.48 | anumu | anyone know a good alternative for notification-daemon in xfce? |
| 18:10.56 | junka | mousa: yes there was an option for "Alternative Desktop". You could also download the proper iso with KDE desktop |
| 18:11.01 | Brigo | zsoltsandor, debian support ppas, package not found meants the package is not there (for ubunutu too) |
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| 18:11.50 | babilen | mousa: Believe me, I consider this *very* unintuitive and argued in favour of changing that multiple times, so there is no point in convincing me of that. (cf. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/04/msg00122.html ) |
| 18:12.05 | babilen | (in case you wanted to) |
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| 18:12.54 | tytan | babilen, sorry. can't explain well in english. so heres a link :) |
| 18:12.57 | tytan | babilen, https://srlabs.de/badusb/ |
| 18:13.02 | mousa | babilen, now that I inserted the bootable usb stick and there I see the option. Oh, well .... |
| 18:13.53 | babilen | mousa: So, reinstall, or purge gnome and install kde .. or give up on these horrible DEs altogether, purge gnome and use a nice window manager such as i3, awesome or {flux,open}box |
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| 18:15.15 | zsoltsandor | Brigo: it is there, you just need to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/chris-lea-node_js-wheezy.list (i'm just guessing the name, on trusty it has trusty instead of wheezy), replace wheezy with an appropriate ubuntu version. |
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| 18:16.01 | mousa | babilen, never heard of i3. The reason for using KDE was it was more or less how I have been using a desktop. Gnome is too different! |
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| 18:16.35 | Suba | but i3 is awesome...I'm using it for 4 days now |
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| 18:17.07 | junka | i was interested too but i gave up thinking its too hard to setup |
| 18:18.26 | junka | isn't a pc without a firewall unprotected? |
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| 18:18.34 | babilen | mousa: I was trying to lighten up the situation and you are, naturally, free to use whatever you want. :) |
| 18:18.46 | babilen | junka: No |
| 18:19.37 | babilen | junka: You can use a firewall, but configuring it to do what you want is a bit tricky and you would want a firewall between you and the internet and not on your personal machine. |
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| 18:21.00 | babilen | If you think about it: A firewall can, at most, simply close down ports that services listen on. The general approach to this is to simply not run services you don't want to run. I mean feel free to run a firewall and consider using, say, ferm to configure it, but getting it right is tricky and the security benefit negligible if you don't provide any services. |
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| 18:21.15 | junka | babilen: right, so without setting up itables i am vulnerable to external attacks? |
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| 18:21.44 | babilen | junka: Not necessarily. Which services to you offer to hosts on the internet? |
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| 18:22.24 | junka | babilen: i dont know. How can i check this? |
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| 18:23.04 | mousa | another thing I noticed, although I installed GRUB in a different partition (not master boot) created beforehand (/boot and made bootable), it still changed MBR |
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| 18:24.07 | junka | mousa: iirc the wizard asked you about setting up the MBR |
| 18:24.21 | babilen | junka: "netstat -tulpen" would be a start. |
| 18:24.26 | babilen | (paste that to http://paste.debian.net ) |
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| 18:24.47 | babilen | junka: But then you would, hopefully, know if you installed a webserver and serve webpages to other people on the internet. |
| 18:25.50 | mousa | junka, I don't want GRUB to change the MBR |
| 18:26.23 | sheap | hmmm... installer with ipxe says this "The current kernel doesn't support the Logical Volume Manager. You may need to load the lvm-mod module" but the installer (with the same preseed file, initrd, and linux files...) is |
| 18:26.29 | sheap | working fine |
| 18:26.29 | mousa | junka, do you happen to know how that can be accomplished? |
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| 18:27.06 | babilen | junka: But what kind of machine is this? Is this your personal computer? What would you like the firewall to do? Do you want to be able to still surf? Do you want to block *any* outgoing traffic? What about incoming traffic? |
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| 18:28.08 | junka | babilen: here -> http://paste.debian.net/plainh/b42c7935 |
| 18:28.20 | junka | babilen: It's my personal computer |
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| 18:28.42 | junka | mousa: not really sorry. I installed grub |
| 18:29.13 | babilen | junka: You have nothing listening there. |
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| 18:30.18 | babilen | junka: I wouldn't worry too much about a firewall right now. It is a common misconception a lot of people coming from Windows have about how networks works. You might want to ask about firewalls on personal systems in ##networking as they are probably aware of good articles that discuss that topic. |
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| 18:30.50 | babilen | But feel free to learn iptables and, maybe, use a tool such as ferm to configure your firewall. See http://ferm.foo-projects.org/ for details on ferm |
| 18:31.01 | Brigo | zsoltsandor, ok, i give up, too many dependecies lack :/ |
| 18:31.05 | junka | babilen: thanks! I'll look it up |
| 18:31.35 | Brigo | zsoltsandor, [root@nikola-install brackets]# LANG=C;dpkg -i npm_1.4.21+ds-1_all.deb |
| 18:31.35 | Brigo | (Reading database ... 49159 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 18:31.36 | Brigo | Preparing to replace npm 1.4.21+ds-1 (using npm_1.4.21+ds-1_all.deb) ... |
| 18:31.36 | Brigo | Unpacking replacement npm ... |
| 18:31.36 | Brigo | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of npm: |
| 18:31.37 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:31.37 | dpkg | brigo: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>. |
| 18:31.45 | tytan | babilen, you haven't checked the link, have you? ^^; |
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| 18:31.58 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.00 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.01 | babilen | tytan: AH! I knew there was something! Sorry. |
| 18:32.02 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.04 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.05 | babilen | Brigo: Please use http://paste.debian.net |
| 18:32.06 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.09 | babilen | stop |
| 18:32.10 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.12 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.14 | babilen | STOP |
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| 18:32.16 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:32.45 | babilen | Brigo: Use a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net or http://refheap.com if you want to show the output of commands |
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| 18:33.20 | zsoltsandor | ok, i'm getting it, it's dependency hell. :( |
| 18:33.54 | zsoltsandor | btw packaging has been requested almost a year ago: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=721575 |
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| 18:33.58 | Brigo | zsoltsandor, http://paste.debian.net/112981/ |
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| 18:34.33 | zsoltsandor | atom editor, an other versatile editor for the web has been requested as well: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=747824 |
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| 18:35.21 | babilen | tytan: Hasn't come up and there is nothing I can comment on that topic. |
| 18:35.40 | babilen | Who needs anything else than vim or emacs? |
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| 18:50.31 | zsoltsandor | ok, i came to a conclusion that compiling atom should be easier on debian. i'll give it a try in live mode using this guide: https://github.com/atom/atom/blob/master/docs/build-instructions/linux.md |
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| 19:04.04 | zsoltsandor | Brigo, btw installing the newset nodejs should be easier using this guide: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Installing-Node.js-via-package-manager#ubuntu-mint-elementary-os |
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| 19:10.59 | somiaj | If there was a process as a fork of sshd, "sshd: root [priv]" does this nessicarlly mean root has logged via ssh or could it just I happen to see the process at the moment someone was trying to login as root (with a bad password). |
| 19:11.23 | somiaj | I didn't see root in 'who' and so far not finding evidence root logged in, but I'm still thinking a reinstall is needed. |
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| 19:16.18 | kpap | wut it didnt work :? |
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| 19:17.14 | Brigo | somiaj, did you already check the auth.log? |
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| 19:18.37 | kpap | wut it didnt work :? |
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| 19:19.01 | somiaj | Brigo: so far I only see root being denyed, but this is an easy fix to erase ones tracks. I was just trying to verrify I could see such a process without foul play, because if I cannot then even if my logs were clean I was rooted. |
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| 19:19.23 | somiaj | Brigo: the default config is setup so root needs an ssh key to login |
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| 19:19.49 | Brigo | somiaj, true :-m |
| 19:19.52 | somiaj | Brigo: and of coures I didn't have one, but there was then some other line about using Pam and how that could possibily be used to not honor the PremitRootLogin without-password option. |
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| 19:27.51 | dfda | I'm trying to get wheezy running on a lenovo t440p. I have installed ubuntu four times now (trying different secure boot settings), even with secure boot disabled it keeps booting windows instead of grub |
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| 19:28.42 | dfda | there are debian-related files in the boot efi part |
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| 19:29.23 | somiaj | dfda: how did you install debian and what medium did you use? |
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| 19:29.56 | dfda | somiaj: ive tried bot the 7.5 and 7.6 media, bootable CDs |
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| 19:30.21 | Luyt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.26 | Luyt | oops ;-) |
| 19:30.42 | somiaj | dfda: so offical debian images and not the live images? Those images can boot in both uefi and mbr mode, are you sure you botteded into efi mode when installing? |
| 19:31.06 | dfda | yes, official and full images |
| 19:31.22 | dfda | yes, legacy mode is disabled in bios |
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| 19:33.38 | somiaj | dfda: is secure boot also disabled? |
| 19:33.43 | dfda | yes |
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| 19:33.58 | dfda | ive tried with and without secure boot, in setup and factory key mode |
| 19:34.13 | v0tick | So I've got my debian install booted but no internet. Any idea how to get my wirless adaptor (in usb port) to function now? |
| 19:34.17 | somiaj | dfda: your uefi bios didn't get a new entery, did you install grub-efi? |
| 19:34.26 | v0tick | I'm so close if I can just get internet I can install newer stuff and fix everything |
| 19:34.29 | somiaj | dfda: wheezy does not support secure boot, you have to turn that off. |
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| 19:34.52 | dfda | somiaj: yes, it is disabled |
| 19:34.58 | somiaj | v0tick: most likely you are just missing firmware, 'dmesg | grep firmware' -- determine what card you have, what firmware is needed, install the firmware and you should be fine. |
| 19:35.12 | dfda | hmmm |
| 19:35.26 | dfda | bcdedit /set "{bootmgr}" path \EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi |
| 19:35.34 | dfda | worth a shot |
| 19:35.38 | dfda | just for debian |
| 19:35.48 | v0tick | somiaj: Nothing showed up on output for that |
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| 19:36.13 | somiaj | dfda: well you should point it at the debian efi files. could your efi partition be full? Almost sounds like grub-efi wasn't installed/configured correctly |
| 19:36.36 | somiaj | v0tick: well I cannot be of more help unless you can identify what newtwork chipset you are using. a pciid would be the most useful |
| 19:37.04 | v0tick | somiaj: network chipset hmm... I'll try to figure that out |
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| 19:37.35 | somiaj | v0tick: if it is pci (or built in) 'lspci' is a start, there are options to change what info it gives you |
| 19:37.57 | v0tick | somiaj: PCIE x 1 gigabit LAN 10/1000/1000 mb/s. Is that the chipset? Or is it qualcomm atheros Kill e2200 series? |
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| 19:38.41 | mtn | v0tick: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 19:39.08 | somiaj | v0tick: neither are the chipset, but you have identified the card, chipset is just more relaable to determine support. |
| 19:39.25 | somiaj | v0tick: but you said wireless, you linked a wired card. |
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| 19:39.51 | babilen | v0tick: Did you try the instructions on: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line I gave you earlier? |
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| 19:41.17 | v0tick | babilen: ip a brought up some stuff |
| 19:41.20 | v0tick | I don't have the other commands though |
| 19:42.17 | v0tick | It says wlan0: broadcast multicast mtu 1500 qdisc noop state down qlen 1000 link/ether |
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| 19:42.49 | babilen | v0tick: Do you have access to ethernet? |
| 19:43.17 | babilen | v0tick: Yes, that is your card, but it appears as if you didn't install the wifi stack during the initial installation. |
| 19:43.23 | v0tick | I don't think so as I'd have no way of reaching a cord all the way to my pc upstairs from the floor below me. |
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| 19:43.48 | v0tick | babilen: I tried iwlist scan it says wlan0 interface doesn't support stcanning: network is down |
| 19:43.57 | babilen | Pity, that doesn't sound as if you performed a very complete installation. You can, naturally, download the packages manually, put them on your USB stick, install them manually with "dpkg -i the.deb", but that'll be probably more work than just performing one proper install with the, say, CD1 image + firmware. |
| 19:44.17 | babilen | v0tick: So you *do* have those commands |
| 19:44.39 | v0tick | babilen: apparently I do now when logged onto root |
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| 19:45.01 | babilen | Yes, the "#" denotes a root prompt and the $ a "normal" user one |
| 19:45.07 | v0tick | babilen: I could go and setup a cd1 image with firmware; but then I have to do the whole usb process again oh man. |
| 19:45.15 | v0tick | Plus not sure how much memory I need on a usb for that |
| 19:45.23 | babilen | Did you bring the interface up as detailed on the wiki? "ip link set wlan0 up" followed by "iwlist wlan0 scan" |
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| 19:45.44 | babilen | v0tick: No, you have those commands. I simply misunderstood. |
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| 19:46.01 | v0tick | babilen: just tried again, says "error no room on ep ring" wlan0 link is not ready |
| 19:46.03 | atannus | I notice ips from all over the world attempting to connect to various ports on my server, I know this is somewhat normal but how can I keep track of this? |
| 19:46.12 | babilen | v0tick: wtf |
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| 19:46.33 | v0tick | babilen: wish I knew what that even means |
| 19:46.35 | somiaj | v0tick: why not just get the firmware non-free image. Putting a debian .iso on a usb is easy since they are designed to do that |
| 19:46.43 | babilen | v0tick: Which command gives you that? |
| 19:46.50 | somiaj | v0tick: by 'whole process' whta did you use to write the debian iso to your usb drive? |
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| 19:47.15 | babilen | somiaj: I think that this particular install was performed with the firmware netinstall image, wasn't it v0tick ? |
| 19:47.25 | v0tick | babilen: typing ip link set wlan0 up caused that |
| 19:47.35 | v0tick | babilen: Yes, it was |
| 19:47.59 | v0tick | somiaj: whole process was like 6 hours of messing with partitions until babilen figured out how to get the firmware on my usb, but I did it with the liveiso so I need to replace iso now... |
| 19:48.22 | somiaj | babilen: I was just making sure he wasn't useing unetbootin or something like that. |
| 19:48.24 | babilen | v0tick: This is getting ridiculous :) |
| 19:48.24 | v0tick | somiaj: Which iso is the firmware non-free? I wish there was one that just had all this on it lol. I used the firmware iso from debian site thinking it would fix things |
| 19:48.34 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 19:48.35 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 7 "Wheezy" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 19:48.36 | v0tick | babilen: I know ;_; why can't linux stuff just work for me just once |
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| 19:48.55 | babilen | Well, you seem to have pesky hardware that is quite new. This seems to be related to USB 3.0 |
| 19:49.23 | v0tick | Hmm |
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| 19:49.34 | babilen | v0tick: But just to make sure: You can still not scan after running that? |
| 19:49.38 | somiaj | v0tick: this firmware issue is a 'fine point' that unforntally gets removed from debian main causing issues. |
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| 19:50.21 | v0tick | babilen: I did scan again and things were showing up, then it spams screen with 100's of lines of "error no room on ep ring" |
| 19:50.24 | babilen | v0tick: Could you try different USB ports on your box? |
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| 19:50.35 | v0tick | babilen: Yeah I could try that, one sec |
| 19:50.48 | babilen | v0tick: Okay, so the wireless is working, but the USB 3.0 interface is pesky. |
| 19:50.59 | abator | on my debian i have openjdk, does it matter or its another marketing trick to promote oracle jdk?OpenJDK shows intermittent performance and UI issues. We recommend using the Oracle JRE/JDK. |
| 19:50.59 | babilen | v0tick: Please bring the interface down before you remove the stick |
| 19:51.12 | babilen | v0tick: "ip link set wlan0 down" |
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| 19:51.47 | babilen | abator: OpenJDK is the reference implementation, make of that what you want |
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| 19:52.39 | somiaj | abator: look at 'java-package' if you want to make your own custom java package form oracle's offical java. |
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| 19:53.03 | babilen | v0tick: So, does it behave differently in another port? |
| 19:53.08 | somiaj | I don't think it works on java8, but java package seems to work on 6 and 7 last I heard. |
| 19:53.19 | v0tick | babilen: tried again, still error no room on ep ring |
| 19:53.51 | babilen | v0tick: Okay, do you have a USB 2 port? I mean we could chose to ignore that for now, but I'd prefer not to. |
| 19:53.57 | abator | i am sorry, i could not get that clearly, babilen , somiaj , openjdk7 is what i have on debian but android studio gave the warning |
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| 19:54.51 | v0tick | babilen: I plugged into another port and it said new high-speed usb device 5 using xhci_hcd |
| 19:54.56 | babilen | abator: If they develop against the Oracle version then you might need that. OpenJDK is the *official* reference implementation so they aren't writing correct Java 7, but what can *you* do about that? |
| 19:54.59 | v0tick | babilen: product: 802.11 n WLAN |
| 19:55.07 | babilen | Yeah, that is USB 3. |
| 19:55.27 | v0tick | babilen: Hmm, I don't even know if I have usb 2 I think I do |
| 19:55.32 | somiaj | abator: openJDK and orcal's java are different. |
| 19:55.34 | Harm133 | I wrote a little program and wanted to make it available to my user as instant command. I looked it up on and I found out it should be in /usr/local/bin. Although I don't have write permissions to this directory. What is the thought behind this ? |
| 19:55.42 | babilen | I guess we have to accept that for now. So, bring the interface up and scan for networks. You should see your network and should be able to configure it as detailed on the wiki. |
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| 19:57.24 | v0tick | babilen: still says network is down upon running iwlist scan |
| 19:57.32 | abator | that cleared my confusion, ty , one more thing , why does terminal depends upon java? imthought it was some thing internal to kernal |
| 19:58.37 | abator | if i remove java my terminal does not open no more |
| 19:58.40 | babilen | v0tick: Didn't you say that you could run it after you executed "ip link set wlan0 up" ? |
| 19:58.49 | ovanu | abator: ctrl + alt + [F1 - F6] |
| 19:58.59 | babilen | abator: It is not related to java at all |
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| 19:59.27 | v0tick | babilen: it kept saying no room on ep ring |
| 19:59.34 | babilen | v0tick: Anyway, what kind of network are you connecting to? Is it encrypted? If so: Do you know the password? Which encryption (if any) is it using? |
| 19:59.35 | v0tick | babilen: I just edited the interfaces file to say wlan0 instead of lo though |
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| 19:59.51 | v0tick | babilen: I don't believe it is encrypted, I have pictures of all the settings though |
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| 19:59.54 | babilen | v0tick: No, no no ... don't do that. Keep lo in there. |
| 20:00.09 | v0tick | Oh |
| 20:00.10 | v0tick | ok |
| 20:00.25 | choosegoose | all the japanese characters anywhere on my computer look like boxes with the hex codes |
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| 20:01.21 | abator | ovanu: my debian did not open terminal when java was removed, i installed java and terminal showed |
| 20:01.25 | v0tick | babilen: I can see output quick on iwlist scan but then it gets flooded with "ERROR no room on ep ring" |
| 20:01.29 | babilen | v0tick: Okay, then add *an additional entry* for wlan0 with "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" and then "wireless-essid NAMEOFTHENETWORK" |
| 20:02.00 | babilen | v0tick: yeah, that's okay. (I hope, it can scan and would hopefully function correctly and then those pesky usb 3 messages take over) |
| 20:02.16 | jhutchins | There is a sample interfaces file in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 20:02.26 | babilen | v0tick: Once you've added that (and undid the mistake with "lo") you can run "ifup wlan0" |
| 20:02.34 | abator | ovanu: did i do something wrong with terminal by removing java? |
| 20:02.55 | babilen | I have to leave now, but jhutchins, somiaj or any of the other people can hopefully help you with it from here. |
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| 20:03.10 | v0tick | Alright thanks babilen |
| 20:03.29 | somiaj | i'm leaving too, best of luck v0tick |
| 20:03.38 | v0tick | Thanks guys :( |
| 20:03.47 | v0tick | I just want to use me bloody pc lol |
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| 20:04.49 | babilen | v0tick: You realise that you are making it particularly hard for yourself by not using the CD1 *and* by also not removing the nvidia card for the initial setup, don't you? |
| 20:05.16 | babilen | Either way, add those entries and bring up your interface. |
| 20:05.20 | abator | i am just worried because of java is security risk in my view |
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| 20:06.06 | jhutchins | abator: Which terminal are you using? There are about six available in X, plus the regular hardware consoles. |
| 20:06.49 | abator | jhulst: the terminal in gnome, usually the one with red background for root |
| 20:06.56 | abator | jhutchins: |
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| 20:07.09 | v0tick | babilen: Tonight I'm going to remove nvidia card |
| 20:07.18 | v0tick | For now I should get going |
| 20:07.21 | babilen | v0tick: Ah, also add "wireless-mode managed" -- what you want to add should look like: http://paste.debian.net/112997/ |
| 20:07.28 | v0tick | my friend is over, and is getting upset since I've ignored him all day for staring at a terminal |
| 20:07.38 | v0tick | oh alright thanks babilen |
| 20:07.41 | babilen | Replace ESSID with the name of the network and run "ifup wlan0" |
| 20:07.54 | babilen | Please do that now. It won't take long and you'll know if it worked. |
| 20:08.02 | abator | jhutchins: does my question make any sense to you? :) |
| 20:08.10 | babilen | (and yes, don't ignore your friends and stare at a terminal all day) |
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| 20:08.24 | v0tick | babilen: alright one moment |
| 20:08.58 | babilen | v0tick: Make it look like http://paste.debian.net/112998/ |
| 20:09.20 | DanDare | terminal frost |
| 20:09.22 | v0tick | alright I'll edit, |
| 20:09.35 | v0tick | babilen: I can't get this spam output to leave lmao |
| 20:09.50 | v0tick | ok fixed by removing card and plugging in again |
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| 20:10.42 | babilen | v0tick: Not 100% sure about the "wireless-mode managed" but I think you need it. |
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| 20:11.12 | jhutchins | abator: I don't use gnome. Never have. It's possible that gnome is doing something in the terminal that requires java, but ordinarily terminals don't require it. |
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| 20:11.45 | jhutchins | abator: You can also run xterm or one of the alternative terminals (you may need to install them). |
| 20:11.59 | jhutchins | abator: You can become root by using su - |
| 20:12.12 | v0tick | babilen: tried ifup wlan0 and it says "interface wlan0 already configured |
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| 20:12.44 | abator | jhutchins: what would,you suggest me to use other than gnome? |
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| 20:12.52 | kpap | they even consider themselves materialistic |
| 20:13.16 | babilen | v0tick: yes, you probably forgot to take it down from the scanning. "ip link set wlan0 down" and then "ifup wlan0" |
| 20:13.48 | v0tick | babilen: set it down and tried ifup wlan0, said same thing. already configured |
| 20:14.24 | babilen | v0tick: "ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0" |
| 20:15.15 | v0tick | tried ifdown wlan0 and getting 1000's of "no room on ep ring" again.... ugh |
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| 20:15.36 | v0tick | aha, I SAW TEXT |
| 20:15.40 | v0tick | but then the errors covered it omfg |
| 20:15.51 | v0tick | it said dhcp discovered on ....... 8 |
| 20:15.58 | v0tick | or something, couldn't read it before errors spilled down |
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| 20:16.26 | v0tick | Ok yeah it says listening, then dhcp on port 67 interval 8 |
| 20:16.56 | v0tick | babilen: errors stopped finally |
| 20:17.46 | babilen | v0tick: So, run "ping google.com" |
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| 20:18.28 | v0tick | babilen: unknown host google.com |
| 20:19.00 | babilen | You are not online then. |
| 20:19.34 | v0tick | awww.... |
| 20:19.37 | babilen | If you need specific settings you certainly have to set them (no idea what kind of network you have there) |
| 20:19.52 | v0tick | Ugh |
| 20:20.05 | v0tick | Well, should I just try to do cd1 boot with firmware added, later tonight? And I'll remove graphics card |
| 20:20.18 | v0tick | Because I've got so many errors and issues piling up I don't even remember what I was trying to do for what lol |
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| 20:23.05 | v0tick | Well I'm going to get off a bit now and hang out with my friends, been 3 days in terminal mode |
| 20:23.07 | v0tick | Undergoing shell shock lol |
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| 20:23.26 | hagbard_celine | hi there. I already asked a few hours ago, but my pc has crashed and I didnât see if someone responded to me. I have a nginx config which should do round robin backend balancing. but the requests all only send to server 1 of the configuration. any idea what I can do? http://pastebin.com/Zex3Qu3m |
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| 20:33.50 | ovanu | dpkg tell hochmeister -about stick bit |
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| 20:34.07 | ovanu | dpkg tell hochmeister -about sticky bit |
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| 20:36.51 | hochmeister | Thanks ovanu |
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| 20:44.03 | Yoshi1 | how do i get flash to work with iceweasel |
| 20:44.27 | mtn | Yoshi1: install the flashplugin-installer |
| 20:44.48 | Yoshi1 | mtn: already installed but it doesnt work |
| 20:45.16 | mtn | Yoshi1: really? what makes you think so? test it here: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ |
| 20:45.40 | dvs | ,v flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:45.41 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2; jessie/contrib: 1:3.5; sid/contrib: 1:3.5 |
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| 20:46.15 | babilen | Yoshi1: You install the flashplugin-nonfree package ^^^ and restart your browser. |
| 20:46.25 | Yoshi1 | You have version 11,2,202,394 installed |
| 20:46.28 | Yoshi1 | i have it installed |
| 20:46.30 | Yoshi1 | i had it installed |
| 20:46.36 | Yoshi1 | but flash doesnt work |
| 20:46.37 | mtn | Yoshi1: so it is installed and working |
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| 20:46.43 | Yoshi1 | no it isnt |
| 20:46.50 | Yoshi1 | cause any suite that uses flash tells me to install flash |
| 20:46.55 | mtn | Yoshi1: yes, if that site worked, flash DOES work |
| 20:47.13 | mtn | Yoshi1: you may need a newer version of flash on some sites, though |
| 20:47.34 | mtn | Yoshi1: the only way to get a newer version is to use pepperflash with chromium |
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| 20:48.04 | linux2 | mtn: I thought if you reinstall the flashplugin-nonfree package it'll grab the latest version? |
| 20:48.24 | mtn | linux2: nope, adobe no longer supports flash for linux |
| 20:48.25 | Yoshi1 | oh freakuing come on |
| 20:48.30 | Yoshi1 | i have to use stupid chrome? |
| 20:48.38 | mtn | Yoshi1: take it up with adobe ;) |
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| 20:49.02 | dalias | :) |
| 20:49.05 | Yoshi1 | linux2: lateste3 available |
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| 20:49.22 | babilen | Yoshi1: Run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose" |
| 20:49.30 | linux2 | mtn: ahh yeah, I do recall that. I just never really think about it. One day I'm hoping there will be no more flash |
| 20:49.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell Yoshi1 -about adobe flash |
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| 20:49.58 | Yoshi1 | babilen: i already did that |
| 20:50.13 | linux2 | Yoshi1: I've been able to use iceweasel with flash no problem, but it's been a few months since I've used it. |
| 20:50.32 | Yoshi1 | apparently iceweasels available version isnt good enough for pgo.com or almost any other site out there that uses flash |
| 20:50.41 | linux2 | Yoshi1: on a side note, I'm currently using firefox with flash on Linux with no problems |
| 20:50.59 | linux2 | Yoshi1: let me see what version I'm using |
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| 20:51.35 | rryoumaa | hmm, i just want last.fm to work and don't care about any other flash site, but don't wnat proprietary stuff |
| 20:51.37 | linux2 | Yoshi1: 11,2,202,356 |
| 20:52.04 | Yoshi1 | linux2: yeah like i just said iceweasels availabole version isnt good enough for pogo or just about any other site i'd actually visit that uses flash |
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| 20:52.54 | linux2 | Yoshi1: oh, yeah, I can't say I've ever used pogo, but it doesn't work for me either |
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| 20:54.47 | babilen | Yoshi1: You can install newer iceweasel versions from http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 20:55.27 | babilen | And I can't try pogo without signing in, so ... |
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| 21:00.15 | Harm133 | I wrote a little program and wanted to make it available to my user as instant command. I looked it up on and I found out it should be in /usr/local/bin. Although I don't have write permissions to this directory. What is the thought behind this ? |
| 21:01.05 | dvs | Harm133: add yourself to the staff group? |
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| 21:01.09 | babilen | Harm133: "your users" somewhat implies that you are the administrator of that box and that you therefore should have superuser privileges. |
| 21:01.29 | Lpart | I installed Debian today somehow I'm unable to boot into windows 7 now as I still want to have It as option. |
| 21:01.43 | mtn | Harm133: if it is for only one user, simply put it in the user's home folder |
| 21:02.00 | Lpart | I use the 40_custom file for grub but somehow i cannt find a proper way to let it boot |
| 21:02.01 | babilen | Harm133: Ah, sorry, I misread. If you want to make it available to your user only you can place it in ~/bin and make that path available |
| 21:02.10 | Harm133 | I have root permissions, just want to get into a user point of view. |
| 21:02.19 | Harm133 | Good practice and sorts |
| 21:02.32 | Harm133 | ~/bin would make it available as a command ? |
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| 21:02.42 | babilen | Harm133: Use something like http://paste.debian.net/113007/ to automatically add that directory to your user's PATH |
| 21:03.11 | babilen | I have my personal binaries in ~/bin and add that to PATH. |
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| 21:04.27 | Harm133 | babilen: ~/.profile you mean ? |
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| 21:05.11 | Harm133 | that exact path is already in place, didn't know it existed. Tyvm :)! also thx, dvs and mtn |
| 21:05.35 | dvs | babilen: ~/bin is already in ~/.profile |
| 21:05.45 | babilen | Harm133: I use bash, so I added it to ~/.bashrc (well, not really, but lets not make this more complicated) which is being sourced by ~/.bash_profile |
| 21:05.53 | babilen | dvs: Oh, is it now? |
| 21:06.03 | babilen | hah! |
| 21:06.23 | Harm133 | Yes :)! I just found that out indeed, just have to create the bin folder yourself |
| 21:06.25 | dvs | babilen: I see it there and I didn't add it. |
| 21:06.48 | babilen | Yeah, but it's not in ~/.bash_profile (.profile is not read if that is present) |
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| 21:07.16 | babilen | Oh, and the form in .profile doesn't properly escape $PATH |
| 21:09.02 | Harm133 | nor $HOME for that matter ? |
| 21:09.11 | babilen | yeah |
| 21:09.34 | Harm133 | well thx :) This was exactly what I was looking for |
| 21:09.38 | babilen | The fact that ~/.profile is not evaluated if ~/.bash_profile is present is probably more important for you though |
| 21:10.06 | babilen | (and ~/.bash_profile sources ~/.bashrc) |
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| 21:10.24 | babilen | anyway, have fun and good night :) |
| 21:10.30 | dvs | o/ |
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| 21:10.46 | Harm133 | cya :) |
| 21:11.18 | Krash_ | Hello, I tried to rebuild dpkg 1.17.10 on debian wheezy, all dependencies are matched however the compilation fails. I found this pastebin http://pastebin.com/caXFMUn2 which shows exacly the same error message, but could not find a bug report for this. |
| 21:14.02 | petn-randall | Krash_: That's not ineviably a bug, newer dpkg versions don't necessarily build on stable releases. |
| 21:14.14 | petn-randall | Krash_: What do you need a newer dpkg for? |
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| 21:15.20 | petn-randall | Krash_: Given that it needs at least libc6 2.14 on amd64, this doesn't surprise. |
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| 21:18.35 | Harm133 | dvs: To point out btw, the PATH only worked after I escaped $HOME properly. I forgot abuot $PATH tho, seems to be fine |
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| 21:20.11 | Krash_ | petn-randall: I try to build wine-1.6.2 from testing on stable, dpkg 1.17.6 was still compiling fine |
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| 21:26.59 | petn-randall | Krash_: wine doesn't depend on a newer dpkg ... |
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| 21:27.38 | petn-randall | Krash_: If you want to have a newer wine, and since it's not available in backports, try using a jessie chroot instead. |
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| 21:31.21 | Krash_ | petn-randall: Thanks, I never tried the chroot stuff, but I have the feeling that I almost got everything working - packages already compiled successfully, the only dep problem is here https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libwine-bin |
| 21:32.06 | Krash_ | not sure if the new dpkg version is really required though, but they probably have some reason for it |
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| 21:33.30 | petn-randall | Krash_: You'll just make your installation unsupportable by us if you replace essential packages like dpkg with a version that doesn't even exist in testing. Creating a chroot is really easy: |
| 21:34.06 | petn-randall | !tell Krash_ -about debootstrap |
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| 21:37.06 | Harm133 | How do I find out service/program is running on a open port ? lsof -i :port / netstat -nlp doesn't get my anything :) |
| 21:37.14 | Harm133 | an* |
| 21:37.48 | petn-randall | Harm133: If netstat -npl doesn't list it, it's not listening. |
| 21:38.00 | Harm133 | it does list it, so does nmap / nc |
| 21:38.21 | petn-randall | Harm133: Paste us the actual output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 21:40.39 | Harm133 | http://paste.debian.net/113013/ |
| 21:42.03 | Harm133 | lsof just comes up with an empty line :) |
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| 21:42.41 | petn-randall | Harm133: What is the actual nmap command you're using? |
| 21:42.57 | Harm133 | nmap 10.0.0.22 -p 50000-60000 |
| 21:43.09 | petn-randall | Harm133: netstat says it: "but you should be root" |
| 21:43.44 | petn-randall | Harm133: And it does list the port as open, it just doesn't list the process name. |
| 21:44.03 | Harm133 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:58024 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1720/rpc.statd |
| 21:44.13 | Harm133 | its RPC, tyvm :) I should read better |
| 21:44.39 | petn-randall | Harm133: Quite suspicous listening on such a port though. |
| 21:45.01 | Harm133 | yea thats what I thought but its a fresh install from like 2 days ago |
| 21:45.43 | petn-randall | Harm133: I'd still look into it. Machines got owned in less time. |
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| 21:46.17 | petn-randall | I don't want to trigger paranoia, I'm just saying you should check why it's there. |
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| 21:48.23 | ricepooding | Harm133, RPC runs by default on debian systems AFAIK |
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| 21:48.47 | ricepooding | Harm133, i believe RPC chooses a random port, that's why it's running on such a port |
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| 21:49.24 | Harm133 | W8, Its running on more ports |
| 21:50.02 | Harm133 | Here is a paste http://paste.debian.net/113015/ |
| 21:50.43 | Harm133 | Also I dont know how this machine wouldve got pwnd, nothing open to the internet on this box and I didn't download anyhting else than from the normal repos |
| 21:50.48 | ricepooding | Harm133, well I can't answer about that, maybe someone else can |
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| 21:51.41 | ricepooding | Harm133, occam's razer, it's probably legitimate or a bug |
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| 21:52.41 | ricepooding | Harm133, maybe try rkhunter and chkrootkit and paste the output? that'd give you a better idea as to whether something dodgy is going down |
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| 21:53.34 | ricepooding | Harm133, they're in the repositories so just apt-get them |
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| 21:54.31 | Harm133 | Ill run it :) |
| 21:55.08 | ricepooding | Harm133, paste the output of `rkhunter -c --rwo; chkrootkit -q` |
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| 21:56.28 | Harm133 | http://paste.debian.net/113017/ |
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| 21:58.57 | Harm133 | anything bad ? |
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| 21:59.42 | ricepooding | Harm133, looks absolutely fine. unhide.rb is a known false positive. The ssh warning is because you have root login enabled in your ssh config and rkhunter's default config says that it should be disabled. Python warnings are false positive again, and the packet sniffer warning is because dhclient is promiscuous by nature as far as I know |
| 22:00.18 | ricepooding | Harm133, I get pretty much exactly the same messages on every single new install that I do (and I've done a fair few), it's nothing to worry about |
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| 22:01.29 | Harm133 | ricepooding: another box I'm running doesn't have rpc.statd running tho. Is that because I've installed the base-tools in the installation ? |
| 22:01.47 | petern_ | debsums is also useful |
| 22:02.29 | Harm133 | petern_ Yea, I md5sum the rpc.statd but coulnd't find anything to compare it to :P |
| 22:02.31 | ricepooding | never used debsums myself but give it a shot! |
| 22:02.45 | ricepooding | one sec, I'll md5 mine |
| 22:02.47 | ricepooding | path? |
| 22:02.53 | petern_ | Harm133, debsums, not md5sum |
| 22:02.58 | ricepooding | got it |
| 22:02.59 | Harm133 | ./usr/sbin |
| 22:03.27 | Harm133 | petern_: installing it now |
| 22:03.42 | petern_ | another useful thing is to uninstall stuff that you don't need, like rpc.statd most of the time |
| 22:04.21 | Harm133 | Yea I think it was included in the base-tools that I selected in the installation, my other boxes dont have it. But this is just a test box so thats why it came up in the first place |
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| 22:06.16 | Harm133 | petern_: debsums -a -s only gives me the output of an edited suoers file, which I edited myself :) |
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| 22:07.03 | ricepooding | Harm133, i don't think you have anything to worry about :P |
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| 22:07.34 | petern_ | but now you know some standard tools to use :) |
| 22:07.45 | ricepooding | ^ |
| 22:07.46 | petern_ | those all come with cron jobs to run them daily |
| 22:07.53 | Harm133 | yea ^^ tyvm, these are exactly the things why I run a test box :D |
| 22:07.57 | zh1 | taking a while to mumble 1.2.7 be on stable on wheezy... :( |
| 22:08.18 | petern_ | they need enabling and tweaking so you don't get those false positives all the time though |
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| 22:08.42 | petern_ | zh1, why do you expect mumble 1.2.7 to appear in wheezy? |
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| 22:09.51 | zh1 | petern_, for more updated magic? |
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| 22:10.14 | hochmeister | how to you use egrep to match either one of two domains: grep -rn -e '(filestore|apt).prd.cs.int' ./ |
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| 22:11.07 | petern_ | zh1, you appear to have missed the point of what debian stable is |
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| 22:12.41 | zh1 | petern_, The stable distribution contains the latest officially released distribution of Debian |
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| 22:13.48 | emacian | does anyone here know about creating debian packages, and how package interdependencies should be set up, or is there a channel specific to apt where I should ask these sorts of questions? |
| 22:13.49 | zh1 | petern_, but this case was mentioning packages part |
| 22:14.37 | petern_ | zh1, debian stable does not receive updated versions just because they've been released. |
| 22:15.02 | petern_ | it is not a rolling distribution |
| 22:15.18 | Brigo | emacian, for creating debian package and so ,better ask in #debian-mentors, in the oftc server. |
| 22:15.29 | emacian | Brigo, okay, cool, thanks! |
| 22:15.53 | zh1 | didnt said it would, https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mumble this one is on version 1.2.3, mumble is on 1.2.7, takes time to get stable but... |
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| 22:16.09 | Brigo | v mumble |
| 22:16.20 | Brigo | ,v mumble |
| 22:16.21 | judd | Package: mumble on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u1; jessie: 1.2.8~7~g76f6870-2; sid: 1.2.8~7~g76f6870-2 |
| 22:18.13 | zh1 | i can go on sid, testing and stuff on mumble but normally prefer stable package but sometimes it takes lot time for it to get there |
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| 22:19.08 | banjo | zh1: thats debian stable:) |
| 22:19.23 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport mumble |
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| 22:19.56 | ricepooding | zh1, try apt-pinning if it's not in the backports repo |
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| 22:20.16 | zh1 | banjo its debian stable and not so up to date version on me |
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| 22:22.05 | jelly-home | ricepooding: please don't tell people to mix stable and anything newer |
| 22:22.12 | somiaj | Brigo: just did a test, it seems that sshd will fork a process and then ask for a password so you will see processes like sshd: root [priv] and sshd: root [net] while root is at the enter password screen. My guess is I was just being targeted and not compermised, time to put fail2ban or denyhost on this machine if I plan to need ssh again. |
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| 22:22.51 | ricepooding | jelly-home, hm, apt-pinning seems to be advocated quite a lot. is there a reason why it's a bad idea? |
| 22:23.08 | petern_ | i don't think it's advocated by anyone here |
| 22:23.16 | Brigo | somiaj, of course you need fail2ban or similar, and you can think about port knoking too :) |
| 22:23.29 | somiaj | ricepooding: yes, it is about the core libaries and dependencies, you do not want to upgrade your core libaries from stable and still be called stable (plus the number of people we see in here with broken systems because they do just what you suggested) |
| 22:23.47 | petern_ | and also turn off root logins |
| 22:23.56 | zh1 | ricepooding, that apt-pinning seems great problem is that if i use non stable then maybe i have some glitches, maybe i have to be friends with the source code |
| 22:24.14 | petern_ | and also require public keys instead of passwords |
| 22:24.41 | ricepooding | zh1, scrap that, apparently you don't use apt-pinning because it's bad |
| 22:24.41 | somiaj | petern_: this was just a tempory thing, and debian defaults to 'without-password' (not off) and then has a warning that it also uses PAM and that might not be honored, so I wasn't sure. I thought it would have been off by default. |
| 22:24.50 | petern_ | and maybe change the port :) |
| 22:25.02 | petern_ | somiaj, debian defaults to allowing root and password logins |
| 22:25.06 | zh1 | ricepooding, even on my old times i always had problems on running anything that says beta, test, unstable and etc |
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| 22:25.26 | zh1 | ricepooding, i didnt use it cause i never seen it lol |
| 22:25.36 | jelly-home | ricepooding: mixing stable with anything newer is never a good idea because dependencies get pulled in from a newer branch and you're left with an unsupportable mess |
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| 22:25.43 | ricepooding | somiaj, right, my apologies then. i've definitely seen some people on /r/debian suggesting it, though. |
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| 22:26.12 | zh1 | ricepooding, but i agree with the guys if it aint stable maybe its not so good idea |
| 22:26.15 | somiaj | petern_: hmm, I didn't change my sshd_config and this is what was in it, PermitRootLogin without-password, but it is a sid box so who knows what generation of ssh gives that config |
| 22:26.19 | ricepooding | jelly-home, got it, won't recommend that anymore then |
| 22:26.25 | jelly-home | ricepooding: pinning has its place, it's just not "I'll ping JUST this package from testing on my stable installation" |
| 22:26.47 | jelly-home | s/ping/pin/ |
| 22:27.06 | somiaj | ricepooding: yes many people suggest it and it is a really easy way to get someone new a linux a broken box. |
| 22:27.09 | ricepooding | jelly-home, what if the package doesn't have deps? still a problem? |
| 22:27.32 | ricepooding | somiaj, okay, definitely won't be suggesting it again then. thanks for the heads up. :) |
| 22:27.39 | jelly-home | ricepooding: what if you forget to check for that before installing? |
| 22:27.40 | zh1 | will i have more stress if i use it from source if its not on the packages that version? |
| 22:27.47 | petern_ | somiaj, ok, i only deal with stable |
| 22:28.19 | jelly-home | zh1: that's an option. Also, |
| 22:28.21 | somiaj | petern_: yea it could be a recent change that may be in jessie. I just got nervious when I saw a process like 'sshd: root [priv]' on my machine. (: |
| 22:28.23 | jelly-home | !ssb |
| 22:28.23 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 22:28.27 | ricepooding | jelly-home, fairs |
| 22:28.33 | judd | Backporting package mumble in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libzeroc-ice35-dev, ice35-translators, ice35-slice. |
| 22:29.02 | jelly-home | except ssb is not really simple in this particular case |
| 22:29.29 | jmcnaught | ricepooding: Besides pinning I've seen some other bad advice on the debian subreddit (along the lines of "upgrading to testing/unstable is easy, no problems there!"). Not the greatest source of advice in my opinion. |
| 22:30.02 | petern_ | And it's probably just SNS syndrome anyway :) |
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| 22:30.50 | ricepooding | jmcnaught, eh, i've never had any issues upgrading to testing *personally*, but i can see where it might go wrong |
| 22:31.12 | jelly-home | well it IS easy. Losing security support is just a happy coincidence! |
| 22:31.47 | jmcnaught | ricepooding: lots of people use testing without problems, but telling people there are no problems with it is dumb. If someone's going to run testing, there's a lot they need to keep on top of |
| 22:31.53 | ricepooding | haha, that's why i reinstalled two weeks on jessie. steam can wait if it means poorer security |
| 22:32.21 | somiaj | and a lot to know, sometimes the people who think testing is easy also quickly now how to fix little issues when they arrise. |
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| 22:35.46 | jmcnaught | all the folks blindly upgrading to jessie to get steam actually led me to try getting steam to work in schroot. the results were inconclusive because steam failed with no errors for me. it could be that i only have Intel graphics, but I am curious if anyone else runs Steam in a jessie chroot (so I can know whether to recommend it before people upgrade foolishly) |
| 22:37.14 | jelly-home | steam worked even in wheezy, until it got upgraded. That's probably not the real issue, it's that games built and distributed over steam are built for ubuntu |
| 22:37.20 | ricepooding | jmcnaught, i too had run steam in a schroot but it had failed with no errors :( |
| 22:37.22 | jelly-home | 's glbic 2.14+ |
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| 22:37.33 | jelly-home | glibc dammit |
| 22:37.53 | shay_shay | https://github.com/GhostSquad57/Steam-Installer-for-Wheezy |
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| 22:38.29 | jmcnaught | i ran other X applications in the jessie chroot with no problem. honestly i don't care about steam but it would be nice to know if it works to spare some folks the "growing pains" in jessie |
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| 22:39.20 | jmcnaught | shay_shay: thanks, i checked that out before. i'm not sure i'd recommend it to people considering the "source" is a bunch of .so's |
| 22:39.45 | shay_shay | hmm |
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| 22:59.34 | rryoumaa | how come when i do lsof -i, it says that there are listening ports on xprop, xdg-screensaver, vlc, and xdg-open, but netstat -tulpn only shows a more expected set of programs? |
| 23:01.11 | Brigo | rryoumaa, try netstat -tulpna |
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| 23:05.18 | rryoumaa | Brigo: that still shows a much more reasonable set of programs than lsof |
| 23:05.45 | rryoumaa | why would those programs be listening? |
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| 23:06.56 | Brigo | rryoumaa, i really do not know, may be a inetd issue? |
| 23:07.18 | rryoumaa | dunno, it's a pretty generic wheezy installation |
| 23:07.57 | rryoumaa | i'll try asking ##security, t hanks |
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| 23:11.14 | shay_shay | does anyone know what accountsservice does for lightdm ? |
| 23:11.42 | shay_shay | i read something that suggests they work together in some way, but i cant find anything on it which isnt completely vague |
| 23:11.58 | shay_shay | i am going a custom desktop install piece by piece |
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| 23:12.12 | shay_shay | thats why i need to know :D |
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| 23:23.21 | rryoumaa | can i purge modemmanager? i don't run mobile broadband. |
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| 23:23.49 | MaX-BR | hello |
| 23:24.08 | MaX-BR | someone could help me with a issue in a debian distro based? |
| 23:24.12 | MaX-BR | raspbian |
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| 23:25.03 | MaX-BR | my system often corrupt when i reboot |
| 23:25.06 | jmcnaught | rryoumaa: it looks like network-manager depends on it |
| 23:25.17 | Azazel | what's a good pdf reader for debian? |
| 23:25.26 | jmcnaught | MaX-BR: raspian isn't supported here, only #debian |
| 23:25.33 | MaX-BR | ok, thanks |
| 23:25.50 | jmcnaught | MaX-BR: try #raspian |
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| 23:26.33 | rryoumaa | jmcnaught: not in my case, for some reason (aptitude only says to remove that one package) |
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| 23:26.38 | shay_shay | hey hey |
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| 23:26.57 | jmcnaught | Azazel: most of the time I find myself using pdf.js in Iceweasel. I like Evince, Okular has a few more features. |
| 23:27.49 | jmcnaught | rryoumaa: my mistake network-manager just recommends it :) |
| 23:27.57 | Azazel | just installed okular, time to check it out, thanks ;) |
| 23:28.25 | rryoumaa | ah, that must be why i have it then (assuming network-manager is as fundamental as it sounds) |
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| 23:31.02 | Azazel | okular looks nice, opening wherever I closed the last time is what I need the most :) |
| 23:31.59 | rryoumaa | hehe, it looks nice but i could not figure out in a minute or two how to get full screen while zoomed in |
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| 23:32.28 | rryoumaa | maybe i will try purging modemmanager and see if anything breaks |
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| 23:33.32 | jmcnaught | rryoumaa: you can always try with "--simulate" first |
| 23:34.02 | rryoumaa | jmcnaught: well, i meant, like, the internet |
| 23:34.11 | rryoumaa | i'm sure aptitude won't break :) |
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| 23:38.48 | jmcnaught | rryoumaa: oh, well you could always remove stuff before purging if you're concerned about side-effects like that. "aptitude search '?config-files'" will show you a list of packages that have been removed but not purged in case you ever need that. |
| 23:39.38 | rryoumaa | i typically just purge anything that i haven't configured |
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