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| 00:13.50 | NiLon | I have in home few servers and desktops and future I will has nas, so now I'm looking options to make "cloud" file storage that works as backup same time |
| 00:14.23 | NiLon | basically idea is that I use each machine as storage and just dump files to single location and it will make sure there is at least 2 copies of files somewhere |
| 00:14.36 | NiLon | is there something complete already? |
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| 00:15.09 | NiLon | goal: dump & forget - after 10 years files exists :p |
| 00:15.48 | dondelelcaro | NiLon: that kind of sounds like you're looking for git annex |
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| 00:16.32 | NiLon | hmm I've heard of that but also that it does have quite heavy overhead |
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| 00:17.23 | dondelelcaro | not sure what you mean by "heavy overhead" |
| 00:17.46 | NiLon | extra data for stored data |
| 00:18.05 | dondelelcaro | it doesn't have much extra data for stored data |
| 00:19.07 | NiLon | I will take a look and be back with it, thanks for tip |
| 00:19.09 | dondelelcaro | you're talking less than 1K per file, often smaller. |
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| 00:20.04 | dondelelcaro | here for 400 files, the extra stuff is only 84K, which includes version tracking, logs, etc. |
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| 00:24.04 | freebird2 | you guys, I need to plug a pendrive into a debian box, and have some action executed, what should I look for ? tks |
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| 00:31.00 | shay_shay | does anyone know what accountsservice does for lightdm ? |
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| 00:35.18 | rhizome | is there a pdf editor available in any form? the only references i can find are to pdfedit from 5+ years ago, which doesn't seem to be available anymore. |
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| 00:41.43 | rhizome | ah, pdfedit is a sourceforge thing. still updated. |
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| 00:50.38 | aypea[0] | does anyone know of any decent s/w that works with mtp? everything I've tried so far just fails. |
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| 01:02.09 | Xen | sup |
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| 01:03.36 | Xen | sup |
| 01:04.11 | rhizome | aypea[0]: i've used gMTP but it sucks |
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| 01:07.12 | rhizome | nexus 4 |
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| 01:21.01 | rocko2 | what is standard? debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-standard.iso.torrent |
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| 01:23.41 | somiaj | rocko2: on that place you see all the links you see a .packages file that tells you what packages are on each live image |
| 01:24.01 | rocko2 | okay guys which is your favorite desktop environment for linux? |
| 01:24.14 | rocko2 | is enlightenment any good? |
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| 01:25.53 | rocko2 | I read that enlightenment is designed to be more like a traditional unix desktop can that be said for any of the four DEs in the livecd??? |
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| 01:27.10 | themill | rocko2: when it comes to choice of desktop, the best option is to try them yourself. |
| 01:27.52 | rocko2 | okay themill |
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| 01:29.01 | somiaj | treaki: I find you will get the desktop you want by finding a wm that fits your style and then installing the applications you need/want to use. The DEs are good if you prefer to have the whole kitchen sink given to yoas a package. |
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| 02:09.28 | rocko2 | does this gnome on this dvd the new gnome with the latest changes? debian-live-7.6.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso.torrent |
| 02:09.30 | codepython777 | i've a debian guest on macos - guest additions installed - the resolution wont maximize to full screen |
| 02:09.39 | codepython777 | any ideas on how to get me to full screen mode? |
| 02:09.44 | rocko2 | the activities bar and what not |
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| 02:21.07 | jaybe | hi. there's a package i'd like to install/use but it depends on apache specifically despite me having the www requirement filled by nginx. i'd like to install the package without the apache and associated dependencies. is there a way to ask apt-get/aptitude to install without apache, etc.? thanks |
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| 02:26.25 | jmcnaught | jaybe: what package are you talking about? |
| 02:26.58 | jaybe | jmcnaught, d-push. apache is listed as 'recommends' but `apt-get -s install d-push` shows it will install apache, et all... |
| 02:28.05 | jmcnaught | jaybe: you could try installing it with "--no-install-recommends" |
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| 02:30.34 | jaybe | jmcnaught, indeed; thank you. think i overloaded today and overlooked the obvious. ideally, i suppose, the package should just recommend fulfilling the 'www' requirement |
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| 02:33.21 | jmcnaught | jaybe: if you mean the "www" virtual package that's for browsers. there's also the "httpd" virtual package, and the "http-cgi" virtual package (which is one of the or'ed recommends for d-push) |
| 02:35.20 | jaybe | jmcnaught, that's what i meant- yes. thanks much |
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| 02:35.35 | jmcnaught | jaybe: there are some nginx packages that provide "httpd-cgi" but not "nginx" speicically (see 'aptitude search "?provides(http-cgi" | grep nginx) |
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| 02:36.03 | jmcnaught | oops forgot a ')' at the end of the aptitude search command |
| 02:36.12 | jaybe | jmcnaught, i'm under the impression d-push leverages php therefore i was going to continue using nginx with php-fpm; that seem appropriate/reasonable? |
| 02:36.51 | jmcnaught | jaybe: try it and see, i don't use nginx myself but i don't see a reason it wouldn't work if "httpd-cgi" is recommended |
| 02:37.05 | jaybe | jmcnaught, great; thanks again - will give it a go |
| 02:37.18 | jmcnaught | jaybe: have fun :) |
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| 02:42.49 | transmi | anyone tried to compiled transmission-2.84 on wheezy? |
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| 03:26.50 | Azazel | how come whenever I want to open a file in kate by using sudo I get this: "QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave. No protocol specified kate: cannot connect to X server :0" |
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| 03:32.50 | zykotick9 | Azazel: are you using "sudo kate" or "kdesudo kate"? |
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| 03:33.27 | Azazel | hmm I feel retarded |
| 03:33.30 | Azazel | used sudo |
| 03:33.35 | Azazel | should have used kdesudo |
| 03:34.19 | Azazel | thanks |
| 03:34.55 | zykotick9 | :) |
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| 03:40.12 | jen212 | i'm having issues trying to connect to wifi using wpa_supplicant. i get ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument and ioctl[SIOSIWSCAN]: Device or resource busy |
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| 03:42.53 | jen212 | i have a wpa_supplicant.conf file with ssid and password |
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| 03:48.53 | jmcnaught | jen212: it could be that you have the syntax wrong for that file. Have you tried the instructions here? https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line you can also put the wpa-ssid and wpa-psk in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:50.52 | jen212 | jmcnaught: i have a wpa_supplicant.conf file with the ssid and password and used wpa_password to generate it |
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| 03:53.45 | jen212 | do i need to add it to /etc/network/interfaces as well? |
| 03:53.51 | jmcnaught | jen212: The invalid argument error suggest to me a problem with the wpa_supplicant.conf, maybe it's a special character or a " in the key? You could check "man wpa_supplicant.conf" it has examples that you could compare yours to |
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| 03:54.40 | jmcnaught | jen212: putting the info in interfaces is an alternative to using wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 03:55.12 | jen212 | maybe i'll forget about wpa_supplicant then and use interfaces in that case |
| 03:55.23 | jen212 | the conf file looks good according to the example |
| 03:55.49 | jmcnaught | jen212: give it a try with the instructions in that wiki link |
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| 03:58.37 | jen212 | ok. thanks |
| 03:59.13 | jen212 | should i lave the auto lo and iface lo inet loopback lines |
| 03:59.16 | jen212 | leave* |
| 03:59.41 | jen212 | and add wlan interface to the file. or replace it with wlan only |
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| 04:00.55 | jmcnaught | jen212: don't touch the lines for "lo" |
| 04:01.24 | jen212 | ok. it worked using interfaces file |
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| 04:02.45 | jmcnaught | jen212: nice! something to keep in mind if you'll be using network-manager in the future on this computer is that by default network-manager will not manager interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces (you could simply comment the wlan0 lines out at that point) |
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| 05:15.56 | xecycle | How can I cancel installation of a package whose post-installation script failed? It is now considered not configured and I cannot install other packages with aptitude. |
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| 05:16.38 | formorer | xecycle: add exit to /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkg.postinst |
| 05:17.54 | xecycle | formorer: Okay thank you... Quite a dirty hack. |
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| 05:27.16 | jaybe | jmcnaught, btw- d-push + nginx + php5-fpm = ;) # thanks again |
| 05:27.52 | jmcnaught | jaybe: cool, glad it worked out for you :) |
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| 05:28.58 | jaybe | will put through paces tomorrow, but it's essentially real-time. and working with ios device via dovecot. excellllllent. |
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| 05:35.41 | hagbard_celine | hi there I have a problem with proxy round robin http://pastebin.com/vuPuA9Sv The problem is, that the $proxy_host variable is not setting the host header to the called backend server and the traffic will only send to the default host of the backend server. why this doesn’t do round robin? any ideas? |
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| 05:37.11 | OldParr | is this sources.list well ? --> http://paste.debian.net/113032/ |
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| 05:38.28 | sifeic | anyone know off hand where list.h and rbtree.h are located in debian? /usr/include/... doesn't seem to have the header files there. |
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| 05:40.26 | OldParr | if i put contrib non-free in a line i must add them on every line of sources.list ? |
| 05:41.00 | sifeic | OldParr: no just add them on one line. |
| 05:41.45 | OldParr | sifeic: please check this http://paste.debian.net/113032/ |
| 05:42.34 | sifeic | OldParr: I would suggest just adding this line and omitting the rest. deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 05:43.24 | OldParr | sifeic: do you meAN an unique line in the file ? |
| 05:43.53 | sifeic | OldParr: Well I should say leave the rest alone; just add contrib and non-free to main mirror. Not the security line. |
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| 05:48.20 | OldParr | sifeic: like this ? --> http://paste.debian.net/113033/ |
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| 05:50.56 | sifeic | OldParr: Yeah, that should work. Now run apt-get update followed by apt-get install of whatever it is that you want from the non-free/contrib |
| 05:51.49 | OldParr | sifeic: can ou give me an little explanation why removing the contrib non-free from the security line ? |
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| 05:52.26 | hagbard_celine | anyone has an idea whats the problem here: I have a problem with proxy round robin http://pastebin.com/vuPuA9Sv The problem is, that the $proxy_host variable is not setting the host header to the called backend server and the traffic will only send to the default host of the backend server. why this doesn’t do round robin? any ideas? |
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| 05:57.29 | sifeic | OldParr: The line pertaining to security is for debian security updates only. This is code that is well vetted, open source and congrent with the debian guidlines etc. Non-free and contrib packages can containe code/binaries that do not. |
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| 05:58.04 | OldParr | sifeic: thank you |
| 05:58.05 | sifeic | s/congrent/congruent |
| 05:58.15 | sifeic | OldParr: Np |
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| 06:02.05 | OldParr | i installed kde from live cd and i choosed spanish but the system is completely in english, how do i switch to spanish, why did it happened ? |
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| 06:04.14 | deitarion | What's the recommended way to script the installation of a list of packages, some of which may not exist? (Preferrably also with "install neither but don't abort" conflict resolution) |
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| 06:05.59 | deitarion | (Currently, I'm using a shellscript for loop and a whole lotta discrete `apt-get install -y` calls but I'd like something less hacky.) |
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| 06:07.09 | deitarion | (apt-get rather than aptitude because, given how much time I spend on Ubuntu-based distros which don't include aptitude by default, apt-get's the one I rarely need a manpage for) |
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| 06:11.07 | deitarion | My use case is basically "Run Debian or Ubuntu installer, depending on the goal, then run this script to alter the set of installed packages to meet minimum common requirements." |
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| 06:12.58 | deitarion | Recording which packages didn't exist would be desirable, but isn't strictly required since this is basically intended as a "less fragile than the usual approaches" way to quickly get a usable desktop in a hurry. |
| 06:15.14 | sifeic | deitarion: If your shell script works I recommend keeping it and I'm not aware of a superior solution. You could improve the script to log failed install though. |
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| 06:16.58 | deitarion | sifeic: I'm not a huge fan of the overhead of having apt-get re-read the package database for each package. Any idea what the documentation on the apt Python bindings is like? |
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| 06:17.59 | sifeic | deitarion: I would guess that it's pretty good. Definitely worth checking into though. |
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| 06:20.22 | deitarion | sifeic: *nod* Failing that, I suppose I'll probably keep the same approach but rewrite the script in Python so I can make it featureful more easily. |
| 06:20.29 | sifeic | deitarion: You could probably write a fairly simple python script to get your desired result. Not sure what you mean about apt python bindings though. What do you mean when you say your not a fan of re-reading the package database for each package? I didn't follow that. |
| 06:21.05 | deitarion | sifeic: If I'm using a shellscript for loop and calling apt-get over and over, I'm incurring initialization overhead once per package. |
| 06:21.08 | sifeic | deitarion: yeah, if you are more comfortable with python that's probably the better solution. |
| 06:21.33 | deitarion | With the Python bindings, there's probably a way to implement the logic I want much more efficiently. |
| 06:21.48 | sifeic | deitarion: ok. |
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| 06:25.07 | deitarion | ...plus, whether or not I use the bindings, arrays, try/except/finally, and fancy subprocess calling are simpler in Python. |
| 06:25.40 | deitarion | (Which makes things like deferring display of subprocess-provided error messages until the end of the whole batch operation simpler) |
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| 06:27.03 | sifeic | deitarion: I'd be interested in what you come up with. |
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| 06:29.49 | deitarion | The first revision'll probably be tested on Ubuntu since that's the distro on the machine that just fsck'd its boot partition to death on me, but I can definitely let you know once I've got something share-worthy. |
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| 06:30.08 | deitarion | (Probably tomorrow since it's 2:29AM here and I'll be going to bed very soon) |
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| 06:31.58 | sifeic | deitarion: cool. Feel free to PM me tomorrow. |
| 06:32.07 | deitarion | sifeic: OK |
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| 06:55.16 | jmcnaught | sifeic: I was checking the backlog and noticed your discussion with OldParr. If someone is tracking contrib and non-free, they should also track those in the security repos. contrib and non-free both exist on security.debian.org. Virtualbox is an example of a package in contrib that might need security updates. |
| 06:55.51 | jmcnaught | sifeic: so please in the future don't advice people not to use the contrib and non-free sections for the security repo if they're going to be tracking them at all. |
| 06:56.28 | pclov3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.30 | pclov3r | oops |
| 06:57.27 | jmcnaught | it's too bad that OldParr has already left otherwise she/he could correct that :/ |
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| 06:59.33 | themill | while true in general, we should also not give an expectation that there is any security support for things outside of main... http://paste.debian.net/113037/ |
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| 07:00.48 | jmcnaught | noted |
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| 07:01.30 | themill | (I vaguely recall there were a couple of sun-java updates in non-free for etch etc so it's not unheard of and you are right that it makes sense to include them just in case) |
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| 07:08.16 | Galvik | Anyone knows what's the diff (variables, libraries) between running wine on KDE/Fluxbox and Xfce/Gnome? I've some strange behaviours (on window drawing) with Wine under XFCE, but the same software works well on KDE |
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| 07:17.20 | sifeic | jmcnaught: was afk, Thanks. I didn't realize that. Will do. |
| 07:17.21 | macrobat | Galvik: I don't really know. xfwm4 is the window manager for xfce4. I think kwin is still the wm for kde. |
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| 07:19.22 | macrobat | maybe you can see which pkgs they depend on, or ltrace them? are things different if you uncheck the different checkboxes in the graphics tab of winecfg? |
| 07:19.57 | Galvik | macrobat, the only difference is when I check "Emulate virtual desktop" |
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| 07:20.40 | Galvik | macrobat, I suppose that the issue is with xfwm4 or GTK based software |
| 07:20.50 | Galvik | macrobat, Fluxbox doesn't have this problem |
| 07:21.09 | macrobat | I'm very unsure on howto approach wine problems in general. I have only had starcraft working and that was years ago |
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| 07:21.54 | Galvik | macrobat, do you know where I can find xfwm4 settings? |
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| 07:22.57 | macrobat | they are in the xfce4 settings. I don't think they are explicitly set apart from other xfce4 settings |
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| 07:25.05 | Galvik | macrobat, thanks, I found it. I'll look here for useful settings ;-) |
| 07:25.17 | macrobat | hmm, I have an old ~/.config/xfce4/xfwm4/ but it is empty. no help there :D |
| 07:25.39 | Galvik | macrobat, :-D , no problem ;-) |
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| 07:36.52 | Galvik | macrobat, I found a workaround, and it's not related to WM, at least I don't think |
| 07:36.58 | gr8 | how do I find out which package the file X on my file system belongs to? |
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| 07:37.34 | macrobat | ok |
| 07:37.57 | Galvik | macrobat, on XFCE I had two panel, one of that was on the TOP of the screen. I moved that panel to the bottom, now drawing is OK. I think that Xorg/WM is telling Wine the wrong coords |
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| 07:38.27 | Galvik | macrobat, I think that I'll fill a bug to Wine to notify developers about it |
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| 07:41.50 | no_emotions | Good Morning |
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| 07:42.08 | no_emotions | Would you guys use a wireless keyboard, or is it a security risk? |
| 07:43.01 | OpenTokix | no_emotions: never |
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| 07:43.42 | dalias | wireless keyboard is a huge security risk |
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| 07:44.11 | no_emotions | they do not have build in encryption these days? |
| 07:44.14 | dalias | you are broadcasting your passwords, email contents, etc. for anyone in the neighborhood to read |
| 07:44.23 | dalias | no |
| 07:44.36 | dalias | they might claim to but there's no easy way to verify this claim |
| 07:44.42 | dalias | and if they do it's almost surely a joke |
| 07:44.59 | dalias | like using poorly-generated hard-coded keys |
| 07:45.18 | dioz | dalias: how would you pick that wireless signal(s) up? |
| 07:45.22 | dioz | what kind of hardware is required? |
| 07:45.23 | no_emotions | dalias: couldnt one say the same thing about wireless routers? |
| 07:45.27 | dalias | or "scrambling"/rot13/whatever and just calling it "encryption" |
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| 07:46.35 | dalias | no_emotions, no. wpa is a documented protocol for interoperation between components |
| 07:46.55 | dalias | rather than an internal implementation detail of a particular product |
| 07:47.01 | dioz | http://www.remote-exploit.org/articles/keykeriki_v1_0_-_27mhz/ |
| 07:47.05 | dioz | nvm i found info |
| 07:47.15 | dalias | if you're not making both endpoints, you have to actually follow the spec and do it right |
| 07:47.23 | no_emotions | dalias: good point |
| 07:47.25 | dalias | not just lie that you're using encryption |
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| 07:47.56 | no_emotions | dalias: at least keyboard manufacturers claim they use aes. so its probably not rot13. |
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| 07:49.10 | no_emotions | dalias: still, i will probably use a wired one. |
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| 07:51.51 | cap3lla | hi all. How can I find out which desktop environment currenty is in use? if I do a "ps aux |grep -i dm" I see that gdm3 is running. So I think Gnome is running, but which one exactly? |
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| 07:53.01 | babilen | cap3lla: Take a look at your screen? |
| 07:53.11 | OpenTokix | cap3lla: do a ps auxfw and see what wm gdm3 has forked |
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| 07:53.35 | babilen | cap3lla: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 07:54.02 | babilen | I mean most people remember which desktop environment they started, so I suspect a different motive. |
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| 07:54.47 | cap3lla | babilen: this is a general question. In my case I know what DE I am using :-) But I would like to learn, how anyone can find out by some commands on the prompt. |
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| 07:55.08 | cap3lla | OpenTokix: when I do "ps auxfw |grep gdm" I see some forks,like ... |
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| 07:55.30 | OpenTokix | cap3lla: if you havre to do grep -A10 gdm |
| 07:55.34 | OpenTokix | to see the 10 following rows |
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| 07:59.30 | babilen | cap3lla: There are no general questions. The answer strongly depends on the particulars. If you want to check if, say, mutter is running then check that. The forking idea is nice, but hard to automate as people will still have to look at the output. |
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| 08:00.55 | no_emotions | i for one don't know which gnome im using |
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| 08:01.29 | no_emotions | i just installed the latest debian and then clicked around until i got my taskbar back. |
| 08:01.30 | dioz | dalias: i like you do you have somewhere you blog more frequent than here? i'd enjoy reading your scrolls regularily |
| 08:01.38 | dioz | you've blown my mind 2 x in less than 5 minutes |
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| 08:01.56 | babilen | cap3lla: I mean you can also take a look at "htop" and then check the process tree with F5 and so on ... |
| 08:02.01 | cap3lla | /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-simple-slave --display-id /org/gnome/DisplayManager/Display1 |
| 08:02.36 | cap3lla | and so on ... |
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| 08:02.49 | cap3lla | but how can I see here, if Gnome2, Gnome3, or Cinnamon is in use, and stuff like that? |
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| 08:05.06 | babilen | cap3lla: Could you paste the output of "ps auxfw|grep -A20 gdm3" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 08:05.09 | justme | How can I see the versions of packages that "apt-get upgrade" suggests to be upgraded? |
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| 08:06.24 | babilen | justme: "aptitude versions '~U'" comes to mind and you can, IIRC, also set it to always display the involved versions. Have you checked the manpage/documentation already? |
| 08:07.27 | babilen | justme: Please check "man 8 apt-get" and search for "versions" -- You'll find the option you are looking for in a heartbeat |
| 08:07.32 | babilen | (if not, let me know) |
| 08:08.41 | justme | babilen, thanks -> apt-get -V upgrade |
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| 08:20.46 | cap3lla | babilen: unfortunately not. The particular machine is not on the net, hence I cannot copy&paste :( but as I said before: when I look at the forks of /usr/sbin/gdm3 there are process like "gdm-simple-slave", "Xorg", "gdm-session-worker[pam/gdm3]", "x-session-manager", "gnome-settings-daemon", "gnome-shell", and so on ... |
| 08:21.06 | cap3lla | but nothing that point to a specific Gnome version, or anything like Cinnamon, Mate, or similar |
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| 08:23.42 | sid1sy8 | Hi all, I'd like to modify a package, how do I proceed? |
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| 08:25.44 | amospalla | hi, using jessie and upgrading systemd and dbus makes my computer stop booting. I restored from backup and I remember that dbus could not complete installing with an error related to /run/systemd/something, and system refusing to reboot without sysrq. |
| 08:26.09 | amospalla | Is this something known? I have not found anything on bug tracker, and I wish not to break it again. |
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| 08:30.05 | olivier_bK | do you know what is the package name for install mv command |
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| 08:30.28 | cap3lla | babilen: paste.debian.net/113043/ |
| 08:30.31 | olivier_bK | i dont know why but after reboot i dont have the command mv, lc etc ... |
| 08:31.06 | amospalla | olivier_bK: coreutils |
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| 08:31.48 | olivier_bK | thans men |
| 08:31.50 | olivier_bK | :) |
| 08:33.42 | sid1sy8 | what is the debian way patching some buggy software? |
| 08:34.19 | OpenTokix | apt-get update upgrade when new package is released |
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| 08:35.19 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: I mean, I'd like to poke around at the source code and rebuild it myself |
| 08:35.50 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: you can download the srouce fro mthe deb-src sourcelist - and it will end up in.... /usr/src iirc |
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| 08:36.58 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: ok, so I apt-get source buggy, and then copy it as a normal user from /usr/src ? |
| 08:37.07 | babilen | cap3lla: Check line 9 |
| 08:37.13 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: should work yes |
| 08:37.22 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: patch it as a normal user and as root rebuild it to get a new deb? |
| 08:37.33 | cap3lla | babilen: line 9 shows the process gnome-shell. What you mean? |
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| 08:37.46 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: build as normal user, install package as root |
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| 08:37.47 | babilen | cap3lla: Yes, so you are using gnome-shell |
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| 08:38.08 | cap3lla | babilen: I know that GNOME is running, man :-) I need to know WHICH gnome version. It also could be cinnamon or something else? |
| 08:38.47 | babilen | cap3lla: It is gnome-shell (which is one component, one might say the defining component, of Gnome 3) |
| 08:39.02 | babilen | judd: info gnome-shell |
| 08:39.03 | judd | Package gnome-shell (gnome, optional) in wheezy/i386: graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. Version: 3.4.2-7+deb7u1; Size: 279.1k; Installed: 867k; Homepage: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell |
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| 08:40.36 | cap3lla | babilen: alright. Thank you. |
| 08:40.39 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: ok. The doc on how to rebuild a DEbian package is quite scattered. Which one do you recommend? |
| 08:41.06 | babilen | cap3lla: Just think about it. There is no "Gnome 2" or "Gnome 3" as both are simply a collection of packages. This is *exactly* why I asked you what you want to do specifically as the answer simply depends on that. gnome-shell is a strong indicator of "someone is running Gnome 3" though which is why I pointed that out to you. |
| 08:41.13 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: none, I generally dont rebuild packages - never needeed to in production |
| 08:41.19 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: more then the occational linux kernel |
| 08:41.43 | cap3lla | if I would edit apt/sources.list and replace "wheezy" with "jessie" and to "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade", would that update Gnome3 to a more recent version, or will gnome3 be removed and replaced by another DE which Jessie is using by default? |
| 08:42.03 | cap3lla | babilen: thanks for clarifying that. |
| 08:42.13 | formorer | jessie ist not stable yet and therefore not recommended |
| 08:42.13 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: :) ok |
| 08:42.27 | cap3lla | formorer: but on a desktop it should be able to use |
| 08:42.57 | formorer | cap3lla: no. I wouldn't expect that. |
| 08:43.19 | formorer | cap3lla: especially with the ongoing transitions, it may break every time. |
| 08:43.28 | cap3lla | hmm |
| 08:43.29 | cap3lla | ok |
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| 08:44.04 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: in fact, I stumbled upon a bug in a an upstream software and I'd like to test a patch without breaking my system |
| 08:44.10 | formorer | we are freezing in november, that usually means that there are a lot of changes on the last meters |
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| 08:44.20 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: I would download the upstream source then |
| 08:44.24 | cap3lla | formorer: ok. So I will wait to end of the year |
| 08:44.57 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: and you would just replace binary for binary? |
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| 08:45.24 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: the 3rd party binareis will end up in /usr/local |
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| 08:46.25 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: yeah but lagter on, if the patch is ok, I'd like to revert to normal dpkg software when it hits upstream again and gets repackaged |
| 08:47.02 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: yes, then you wiull hve a updated packagbe that iwll install over the old one |
| 08:47.29 | sid1sy8 | that's why I thought patching instead the upstream source that was packaged by debian |
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| 08:48.32 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: so how dpkg/apt would know about /usr/local-installed software? |
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| 08:48.42 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: what do you mean? no it wont |
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| 08:49.55 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: I mean, if I installed smth in /usr/local and a new patched package is ready, it won't take over the /usr/local one? |
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| 08:50.11 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: dpkg will not write anything in /usr/local |
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| 08:51.45 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: so I just need to remove the binary in /usr/local but how about the other leftovers (doc, conf? |
| 08:52.37 | gdm85 | hi. on a freshly installed XFCE4 (Debian Wheezy) some icons are missing from right-click menu. I see that Tango icons is default, any idea how to fix this? |
| 08:52.53 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: yes, the binary is the important part - rest does not matter, but always nice to keep a tidy ship |
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| 08:53.37 | Agiofws | hello is there a pdf editor for linux ? |
| 08:53.39 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: that's why I wanted to rebuild a deb package instead |
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| 08:54.12 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: I understand |
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| 08:54.16 | gdm85 | Agiofws: use LibreOffice writer and then export to PDF. if you want to modify an existing PDF, no idea |
| 08:54.21 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: so that I don't have many stuffs all over the place |
| 08:55.08 | Agiofws | i am but it opens the code of the pdf and not its presentation |
| 08:56.14 | gdm85 | even with oxygen theme the "open terminal here" icon is missing :\ |
| 08:56.21 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: apt-get source package will download the source in your current directly |
| 08:56.31 | Agiofws | http://i.imgur.com/uWRn5U0.jpg |
| 08:56.35 | Agiofws | gdm85, ^^ |
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| 08:57.39 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: cool, I can use it as a normal user! |
| 08:57.50 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: yes |
| 08:58.27 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: now, i'm going to rebuild it first |
| 08:58.33 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: have fun! |
| 08:58.41 | viscera | Question for the Sid desktop users: how do you handle the lag between upstream Firefox release and downstream Iceweasel release in terms of security patches? Do you just install an upstream Firefox? Or just lock it down as best you can with NoScript (this isn't an option for me)? |
| 08:58.42 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: thanks, time googling |
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| 08:59.15 | linuxuz3r | anyone tried flash player on epiphany |
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| 09:02.33 | sid1sy8 | is there a terminal that supports opening a folder in some file manager from the path |
| 09:02.51 | sid1sy8 | right-click |
| 09:03.00 | olivier_bK | where is the best directory for add TERM="xterm-256color" for export this to every one ? |
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| 09:05.01 | musca | sid1sy8: you can do something like "nautilus -w /path/to/directory" |
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| 09:05.44 | sid1sy8 | musca: hi you :) |
| 09:05.53 | musca | hi sid1sy8 :) |
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| 09:07.36 | sid1sy8 | musca: let's say I have already the path on the prompt. Can I directly higlight it, right-click on it and open that folder in the file manager or if it's some file, open it with the corresponding software? |
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| 09:09.28 | musca | sid1sy8: shell is more capable then any file-manager, but if you are mouse oriented then you might look at http://finalterm.org/ |
| 09:09.31 | sid1sy8 | musca: the bug I was talking about earlier was in networkmanager |
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| 09:10.44 | sid1sy8 | musca: sometimes the terminal is not big ebnough to display all a folder's contents |
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| 09:11.12 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: pwd |thunar |
| 09:11.14 | OpenTokix | boom! |
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| 09:12.22 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: :P |
| 09:12.59 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: half the specifications |
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| 09:13.53 | OpenTokix | echo "PATH" |thunar |
| 09:13.55 | OpenTokix | ;) |
| 09:14.14 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: hehe |
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| 09:15.14 | sid1sy8 | musca and OpenTokix looke here https://code.google.com/p/mintty/ |
| 09:15.41 | sid1sy8 | Ability to open files and URLs with Ctrl+click. |
| 09:15.41 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: I dont do windows |
| 09:16.00 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: urls is probably handled, filepaths - not so much |
| 09:16.26 | OpenTokix | sid1sy8: why can't you just learn a new and more efficient way in your terminal then trying to apply some dumb ass backward windows notion of doing tuff? |
| 09:16.41 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: no no no |
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| 09:18.20 | sid1sy8 | OpenTokix: it's pretty more straightforward to just open a pdf b y right-clicking its name in the terminal than issuing 'evince|whatever ...' |
| 09:18.57 | OpenTokix | evince filename.pdf ? |
| 09:19.03 | OpenTokix | Where you havce your hands already |
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| 09:20.02 | sid1sy8 | I should have added sometimes |
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| 09:28.33 | Agiofws | hey |
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| 09:29.23 | Agiofws | i am trying to install libreoffice-import-pdf with synaptic but it says fix broken packages first can you help me? |
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| 09:30.08 | Agiofws | http://i.imgur.com/3cwo4hJ.jpg |
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| 09:31.05 | ObrienDave | under edit there should be a fix broken packages command |
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| 09:31.26 | Agiofws | edit ? |
| 09:31.44 | ObrienDave | second from the top left |
| 09:32.06 | ObrienDave | file, edit, etc |
| 09:32.17 | Agiofws | this only happens when i mark a certain libreoffice package |
| 09:32.49 | ObrienDave | something is broken, fix it |
| 09:33.02 | Agiofws | http://i.imgur.com/57aznsM.jpg |
| 09:33.08 | Agiofws | how ? |
| 09:33.14 | Agiofws | uninstall libre? |
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| 09:33.52 | ObrienDave | select fix broken packages under edit menu |
| 09:34.00 | Agiofws | i already did |
| 09:34.08 | ObrienDave | then apply |
| 09:34.44 | Agiofws | Could not apply changes! |
| 09:34.44 | Agiofws | Fix broken packages first. |
| 09:35.54 | ObrienDave | unselect all, then fix broken |
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| 09:36.35 | Agiofws | i did it does nothing |
| 09:36.59 | Agiofws | this only happens when i try to install libreoffice-import-pdf |
| 09:37.20 | ObrienDave | do you have the rest of libreoffice installed? |
| 09:38.02 | Agiofws | http://i.imgur.com/Rh6uYvm.jpg |
| 09:38.12 | Agiofws | yes i do |
| 09:38.31 | Agiofws | libreoffice-pdfimport is the package i am trying to install |
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| 09:39.24 | ObrienDave | hmm, sorry, i don't know arch at all |
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| 09:39.45 | Agiofws | its debian :) |
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| 09:43.02 | heurist | Agiofws: try it from the commandline you will probably get more help. |
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| 09:53.35 | karan200000 | i want some help with installing webmin on my vps running debian |
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| 09:56.36 | heurist | karan200000: not sure you will get much help here, type "/msg centbot panels |
| 09:56.52 | heurist | " to get the centos guys take on it, it applies here too. |
| 09:57.15 | babilen | dpkg: webmin |
| 09:57.15 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 09:57.35 | heurist | babilen: how imbarassing. |
| 09:57.35 | karan200000 | but i'll first try asking here |
| 09:58.11 | karan200000 | when i install webmin, it says about some dependecies |
| 09:58.42 | karan200000 | but after run that install cmd some dependencies do not install |
| 09:58.52 | babilen | karan200000: We neither support nor recommend it. Take it up with them. If you insist on using their package then and are missing dependencies run "apt-get -f install" -- Everything else is no longer our concern. |
| 09:59.10 | karan200000 | :( |
| 09:59.24 | babilen | karan200000: There is #webmin (rather small) |
| 09:59.46 | babilen | karan200000: If it hasn't become obvious: You should *NOT* use it. |
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| 10:07.54 | jynx | can someone tell me the irc for debian testing? :) |
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| 10:08.23 | weirddan455 | i've got an SSH question |
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| 10:08.55 | petern_ | jynx, it's in the topic |
| 10:08.56 | cap3lla_ | I am having issues when trying to use the TFTPD server. I installed "tftpd" (server) and "tftp" (client) on my Wheezy machine. I checked /etc/inetd.conf, the line for TFTP service is there and the directory used is /srv/tftp. I did "mkdir -m 777 /srv/tftp" and restarted inetd ... |
| 10:08.57 | weirddan455 | i'm using Amazon AWS and it uses a private .pem key to authenticate |
| 10:09.22 | cap3lla_ | with /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart. But when I connect with "tftp localhost" and do a "get any.file" I get back the prompt, nothing happens |
| 10:09.25 | cap3lla_ | any clues? |
| 10:09.35 | weirddan455 | i was just trying to test what i would see if i got denied so i made a copy of the key, changed a bunch of characters and i still got authenticated |
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| 10:09.56 | buckfast | hi |
| 10:10.11 | buckfast | having a bit of a problem with hibernate on wheezy |
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| 10:10.34 | buckfast | when I select hibernate from KDE, the computer shuts down as it should |
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| 10:11.12 | buckfast | but when I start it up again, there's just garbage on the screen and the computer freezes |
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| 10:12.02 | buckfast | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.39 | buckfast | any ideas what might be causing this? |
| 10:12.42 | buckfast | works fine under opensuse |
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| 10:13.55 | weirddan455 | buckfast: i would try the newer kernel from backports... the old 3.2 kernel in stable may not support your hardware fully |
| 10:14.03 | svetlana | Looking for something like debtree, but with accumulated sizes for each graph node |
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| 10:14.20 | weirddan455 | buckfast: i just had to do the same myself to get my wifi card working |
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| 10:14.46 | buckfast | weirddan455: if I remember correctly, it used to work once (but there have been some kernel updates to wheezy) |
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| 10:15.18 | buckfast | besides, backported kernel might introduce new problems |
| 10:15.24 | buckfast | I don't want that |
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| 10:19.57 | buckfast | sleep works fine btw |
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| 10:20.24 | weirddan455 | buckfast: just a suggestion... when you install the backported kernel, it doesn't replace your current kernel, it just adds another line in your bootloader so if it doesn't work you can just fall back to the old kernel |
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| 10:22.27 | buckfast | oh |
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| 10:23.52 | buckfast | I think I tryed it once and everything broke down |
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| 10:24.13 | buckfast | that's why the hesitation |
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| 10:26.25 | weirddan455 | buckfast: unless your bootloader auto-loads the kernel, nothing should break. as long as it gives you a timeout, you can just select the old kernel and boot from that like you have been |
| 10:26.44 | shay_shay | mmmm |
| 10:26.48 | shay_shay | mmm bop |
| 10:28.01 | buckfast | but no security updates then, right? |
| 10:28.13 | buckfast | unless you manually install a newer kernel |
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| 10:37.33 | weirddan455 | buckfast: an apt-get upgrade should update the backports kernel when it gets one... the backports team does try to port security fixes but it is a lower priority than the stable packages |
| 10:38.40 | weirddan455 | buckfast: all i'm saying is try it... it's one command and a reboot and then you can know if the problem lies with the kernel or elsewhere |
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| 10:45.56 | weirddan455 | buckfast: had to reboot... i'm back |
| 10:46.12 | buckfast | hai |
| 10:46.19 | iveevue | If you have backports turned on, does updating bring the kernel from there or the main repo? |
| 10:46.32 | iveevue | I only need backports for one package... |
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| 10:49.12 | svetlana | (resent #1) Looking for something like debtree, but with accumulated sizes for each graph node |
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| 10:52.50 | weirddan455 | iveevue: backports by default has the priority turned down to 100 so you need to explicity tell apt which packages to pull from backports |
| 10:53.09 | iveevue | Ah, ok. That's good. |
| 10:53.15 | weirddan455 | iveevue: like "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install <package name>" |
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| 10:54.10 | weirddan455 | iveevue: once the package is installed, I *think* it will grab it's updates from backports but if not an "apt-get upgrade" will never upgrade you from stable to backports |
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| 10:56.01 | iveevue | Thanks |
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| 11:12.21 | gr8 | how do I find out which package the file X on my file system belongs to? |
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| 11:12.59 | SynrGy | gr8: dpkg -S |
| 11:13.21 | SynrGy | gr8: please note that some files created (e.g. by postinst) by a package do not 'belong to' the package |
| 11:13.40 | ricepooding | gr8, i think you can use apt-cache search to do that... |
| 11:13.45 | SynrGy | no |
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| 11:14.11 | ricepooding | lol, i had in the past at least |
| 11:14.15 | SynrGy | gr8: there is also 'apt-file search' which may be what ricepooding was thinking of. this requires you to first install apt-file, and also update the file list with 'apt-file update' |
| 11:14.33 | ricepooding | SynrG, nope, i used apt-cache search before |
| 11:14.43 | SynrGy | gr8: this searches all files belonging to all packages in the archives in your sources.list, however. |
| 11:15.03 | SynrGy | ricepooding: well, you're wrong. apt-cache search searches package names and descriptions only. |
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| 11:15.14 | SynrGy | ricepooding: it does not search files |
| 11:15.29 | ricepooding | perhaps filename was in description then, idk |
| 11:15.31 | SynrGy | yes |
| 11:15.42 | SynrGy | seems likely |
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| 11:32.50 | zykotick9 | i wonder, what grub and hibernate have in common? |
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| 11:38.19 | babilen | zykotick9: They are both a "computer thing" ;) |
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| 11:41.26 | svetlana | Is there a way to remove everything Perl that isn't installed through packages? |
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| 11:42.37 | OpenTokix | svetlana: It's called experience, you dont install it in the first place. ;) |
| 11:43.15 | svetlana | I did already install, and a lot ... |
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| 11:43.28 | babilen | svetlana: Use whatever tool you used to install it to remove it |
| 11:43.30 | OpenTokix | One does... at least once and then you go... .aww.... damn |
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| 11:45.31 | svetlana | babilen, I used cpan... no way other than to check its logs and manually remove ? |
| 11:46.00 | babilen | svetlana: #perl might know other ways, it really isn't a Debian issue (rather the exact opposite) |
| 11:46.20 | buckfaster | zykotick9: doesn't hibernate put a 'resume=UUID..." line there when it has to resume from a swap image? |
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| 11:48.20 | svetlana | babilen, didn't expect cpan itself to even know the difference ... ok I will ask them |
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| 11:49.59 | zykotick9 | buckfaster: not that i'm aware of? BUT, if you are sharing a swap file between the two - this IS an issue. |
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| 11:50.23 | babilen | svetlana: What I mean is: If you had installed *all* perl Modules via Debian packages you wouldn't have this issue in the first place. As you decided to use tools outside the packaging system (i.e. you did not go the Debian way) you have to use those tools to manage them. |
| 11:50.26 | buckfaster | zykotick9: not swap file, but swap partition |
| 11:50.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps |
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| 11:50.59 | buckfaster | zykotick9: if I boot to the distro I hibernated from, surely it should be fine? |
| 11:51.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | how can i troubleshoot my audio indebian? its like my audio is coming out of my headphones and the speaker at the same time |
| 11:51.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dontthink its hardware it seems to work one time then start this crap |
| 11:51.34 | babilen | svetlana: But please, ask in #perl as I am interested in their answer too. |
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| 11:51.36 | Resilience | Eryn_1983_FL, try pulseaudio configuration |
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| 11:52.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok.. |
| 11:53.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | thasts makes aslot fo sense.. |
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| 11:55.14 | Resilience | how can I know the depedencies that a package has and does? |
| 11:55.43 | svetlana | Resilience, there is a 'debtree' thing that shows them in a graph ... apt-get show package, also lists them, but only the direct ones ... |
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| 11:55.55 | istram | hi, is there anyone with python experience? I had a working script yesterday but after I installed python-boto it stopped on error which is not googlable. |
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| 11:56.13 | Resilience | svetlana, svetlana mmm trying, thaks |
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| 11:57.20 | svetlana | istram, Yes, whole #python@freenode, and #debian-python@oftc |
| 11:57.36 | svetlana | And this channel, if you'd like to share more detail perhaps ... and the error message ... |
| 11:57.50 | istram | svetlana: is it better if I move there? |
| 11:58.19 | istram | I've been using the boto delivered by pip in /usr/local/lib |
| 11:58.28 | svetlana | Up to you to choose. Depends on how (i) deep into python and (ii) debian-specific your issues is. (if not deep, this channel could help; if deep, petter one of the other channels, depending on (ii)) |
| 11:58.44 | svetlana | Better* |
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| 11:58.56 | istram | but wanted to migrate to deb package, so pip uninstall boto, aptitude install python-boto |
| 11:59.14 | istram | from that point, hilarity ensues. |
| 11:59.33 | istram | I receive utf8 errors |
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| 12:00.10 | istram | File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/boto/auth.py", line 102, in __setstate__ |
| 12:00.11 | istram | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:05.53 | babilen | istram: That obviously isn't a file installed by Debian (looks as if your removal was unsuccessful) -- As a side note: *Never* use pip to install things on the system, but always do so in a virtualenv. |
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| 12:07.11 | istram | babilen: yup, sorry. that's a error message I now get when I installed boto back by pip. |
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| 12:09.19 | istram | babilen: I uninstalled the python-boto because when I tried to work with boto.sqs the message.get_body() was returning escaped hex values (guess unicode?) |
| 12:09.36 | babilen | *shrug* |
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| 12:10.06 | babilen | istram: If it is a Debian issue I will happily help you, but right now it sounds more like a problem that is appropriate for #python. |
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| 12:10.21 | babilen | Or is something broken in Debian if you remove your local installation? |
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| 12:11.23 | istram | babilen: well, by my standart the python-boto isn't working. I can try write down a bugreport but I don't want to as I'm rather unskilled with python and this might be just something stupid. |
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| 12:12.09 | ashka | hm, I'm having issues with graphics. I'm running a built 3.12 kernel, and I tried most drivers, but not much works. I have a 7970HD with 2 DVI screens, the proprietary driver says this : "/usr/bin/X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so: undefined symbol: LoadExtension", mesa only detects one screen, ati fails to start (no screens found) |
| 12:12.09 | babilen | I have never used python-boto, but if you believe that the Debian package is buggy I'll happily debug *that* with you. |
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| 12:12.20 | gdfd | I am unable to get debian installed. The install itself is no problem, problem is that UEFI boots Windows instead of grub after install |
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| 12:12.23 | jwww | Hello. |
| 12:12.48 | babilen | ashka: How did you install the driver and can you reproduce that issue on stock kernels? (3.2 in wheezy or 3.14 in wheezy-backports) |
| 12:12.59 | istram | babilen: thanks. will check few other things and then either put something here or directly send the bug report. |
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| 12:13.52 | ashka | 3.2 did work but I cannot use it with other hardware I got, and I can reproduce on 3.14, however the proprietary driver does not support officially that version |
| 12:14.32 | babilen | ashka: The driver should install fine. How did you install it? |
| 12:15.16 | babilen | Or is fglrx still broken in testing? |
| 12:15.17 | ashka | proprietary ? got it from AMD, ran the installer as root with --install, installed fine, but I got this error |
| 12:15.27 | babilen | Ah, we don't support that, sorry. |
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| 12:15.49 | ashka | yeah, I know. What driver do you mean ? |
| 12:15.55 | babilen | ashka: The way to install fglrx on Debian is documented on https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and fglrx-driver is in wheezy-backports |
| 12:16.01 | babilen | judd: fglrx-driver |
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| 12:16.07 | babilen | judd: v fglrx-driver |
| 12:16.08 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1; sid/non-free: 1:14.4.2-1; experimental/non-free: 1:14.6~betav1.0-1 |
| 12:16.19 | ashka | oh ok. I'll try this way |
| 12:16.20 | ashka | thanks |
| 12:16.36 | RockyRoad | Hi, |
| 12:16.44 | jwww | I want to have 2 ips on eth0, I succed in using 'post-up' in /etc/network/interfaces , but if the first ip is from dhcp and doesn't get an answer from dhcp server , then no ips are avalaibles. how can I correct this ? here is my /etc/network/interfaces : pi |
| 12:16.48 | jwww | ops |
| 12:16.50 | babilen | ashka: We would, naturally, support the wheezy-backports kernel with radeon. Make sure to install firmware-linux-nonfree from wheezy-backports too and to completely purge fglrx from the system prior to that. |
| 12:17.18 | ashka | I have tried radeon but I don't think it worked, let me fetch the error it did |
| 12:17.34 | RockyRoad | I'm afraid I need some help with grub, after reorganizing my partitions |
| 12:17.35 | babilen | ashka: You have to throw in a "-t wheezy-backports" and configure backports prior to that so that you grab both the kernel header, kernel and driver from there. |
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| 12:18.03 | babilen | ashka: Before you do that you will have to completely undo all the damage done by the AMD installer (it breaks various symbolic links Debian relies on) |
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| 12:18.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell ashka -about radeon |
| 12:18.23 | ashka | I tried, it doesn't want to uninstall, I'll try to clean up using a backup |
| 12:18.55 | jwww | here is my config : http://dpaste.com/2EPT0W2 |
| 12:19.10 | babilen | ashka: #ati might be able to walk you through that. We had very bad experiences with their "installer" as it just tramples over various elements in the Debian system. |
| 12:19.16 | peetaur2 | RockyRoad: perhaps the last part of my howto here http://pastebin.com/4NLFkdzQ (skip the parted, mkfs, and rsync) |
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| 12:21.12 | RockyRoad | thanks peetaur2 |
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| 12:23.53 | RockyRoad | my problem is that after chroot, I don't have access to /dev/sda |
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| 12:24.51 | peetaur2 | RockyRoad: that's whyt he bind mount step is there |
| 12:25.04 | peetaur2 | mount -o rbind /dev dev, etc. |
| 12:25.37 | RockyRoad | ok you're right I had overlooked that |
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| 12:31.16 | dym | Okay, I have a serious question: my future place to live only supports a low bandwidth ADSL connection. Neither GSM, nor cable are a possibility. Now im thinking about a way to possibly make use of 2 or more adsl uplinks in a loadbalancing way. is there any possibility? |
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| 12:32.49 | OpenTokix | dym: yes, but you will get more "bang for effort" by tuning your gateway buffers for ADSL use. - There is plenty of howtos for that outther.e. - Doing some clever QoS etc. |
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| 12:33.20 | Xeago | I'm trying to install debian from harddisk, my device doesn't have any working USB/cd-rom devices, but I have a working arch isntall, and plenty of unallocated disk |
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| 12:33.54 | Xeago | how should I proceed, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apas02.html.en#A.2.4 is very unclear to me |
| 12:34.43 | dym | OpenTokix: Can you link me up to one? |
| 12:34.54 | OpenTokix | dym: no, currently not |
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| 12:35.49 | dym | OpenTokix: im unsure on what to google for. care to give me a pointer? "gateway buffer adsl"? |
| 12:36.14 | OpenTokix | dym: QoS for adsl |
| 12:36.19 | OpenTokix | is what I would start with |
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| 12:39.09 | dym | OpenTokix: THanks |
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| 12:42.33 | needhelp | hi, anyone using deluged? |
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| 12:43.25 | ChrisH | !ask |
| 12:43.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:43.29 | RockyRoad | \o/ I'm back in business, thanks to you peetaur2, and mount -o rbind :) |
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| 12:50.08 | zecar | I get this error trying to dist-upgrade from 6.0 to sid: installing startpar would break existing software |
| 12:50.13 | zecar | is there a fix for this bug? |
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| 12:52.31 | ksk | zecar: you should not go directly from squeeze to sid afaik, but squeeze->wheezy-jessi->sid |
| 12:52.49 | zecar | holy crap ok |
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| 12:53.31 | babilen | oh, absolutely |
| 12:53.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell zecar -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:53.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell zecar -about wheezy->jessie |
| 12:54.15 | zecar | argh my alt key doesn't work on this box lol |
| 12:54.16 | babilen | (jessie->sid is left as an exercise to the reader) |
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| 12:54.26 | zecar | yeah I'm thinking I may want to just flatten and reinstall |
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| 12:56.16 | dsheets | Hi, I recently upgraded my sid system and now when I leave the pointer stationary for too long (?) it will freeze until i press key. When the unfreeze occurs, a few keyboard characters are also not received (if I am typing). When the pointer returns, the calibration is reset and if I am applied pressure to the trackpoint stick, it will fly to the edge of the screen. |
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| 12:56.41 | dsheets | Any ideas about which component I should investigate? xorg? some kind of usb driver? |
| 12:57.47 | Xeago | ok, so I've found the page describing debootstrap |
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| 12:58.20 | Xeago | debootstrap starts mounting, with proc |
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| 12:58.59 | Xeago | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:59.30 | Xeago | any tips? |
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| 13:03.48 | Xeago | ah, it is mount not being on path |
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| 13:10.17 | dsheets | Looks like a kernel update fixed it. |
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| 13:15.30 | bartlomiej_lewan | Hello, I'm trying to debug why my microphone is not working in Debian Jessie, any tips? |
| 13:15.48 | bartlomiej_lewan | I've found out that it is not a hardware problem, switched to win7, and the mic was working |
| 13:16.06 | bartlomiej_lewan | the speakers work fine, just not the microphone |
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| 13:18.20 | zecar | awesome, my drive filled up while doing dist-upgrade and now udev is screwed |
| 13:18.22 | ChrisH | bartlomiej_lewan: I assume you checked in your mixer that the correct mic is selected. do not ask me how to do that :) I allways need ages to verify that. |
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| 13:21.12 | istram | babilen: that python problem was actually a problem of boto changing interface... so solved by installing back the ver used in development. |
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| 13:22.32 | bartlomiej_lewan | ChrisH: I have just now :) tried all possibilities |
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| 13:24.16 | bartlomiej_lewan | ChrisH: Even tried plugging it into line in, to no avail |
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| 13:26.26 | needhelp | deluged... why can't it work |
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| 13:35.18 | Ro_ | hello, how can I compile from source apt-get with custom --configure params. DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS= does not work |
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| 13:37.24 | themill | Ro_: you need to change debian/rules in the source package |
| 13:37.25 | babilen | istram: Which is a sensible choice. Why don't you develop against the version in deployment (i.e. the one on Debian) |
| 13:37.34 | rtur | What's the syntax of the version number for the Build-Depends field inside a control file ? When I write package(=1.1) would that mean that 1.1.2 or 1.1.3 would also be allowed or does the version number has to be complete ? |
| 13:37.52 | themill | rtur: = means exactly equal |
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| 13:38.07 | rtur | themill: How could I specify a range then ? |
| 13:38.45 | themill | rtur: you specify the upper and lower limits, assuming you have a crystal ball to know what the upper limit will be |
| 13:39.17 | rtur | themill: like (>=1 <1.5) ? |
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| 13:39.49 | themill | rtur: no, as two separate restrictions |
| 13:39.50 | istram | babilen: well, because python-boto is 2.29 and upstream is 2.32 already (even on unstable). I'm rather going to check the interface documentation if I can't choose some more stable functions / representation to make it work for more users. |
| 13:40.45 | babilen | semver! |
| 13:40.47 | themill | rtur: foo (>= 1), foo (<< 1.5). Ask yourself how you know that 1.5 won't work, however ;) |
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| 13:42.08 | rtur | themill: Thank you, that's what I was looking for. I know that 1.5 want work xD , got me a crystall ball on ebay ;) . |
| 13:42.23 | themill | heh |
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| 13:45.34 | sdfer | For some reason my laptop just *wont* boot grub after having installed debian. It just keep booting Windows |
| 13:46.00 | dvs | sdfer: That usually means that GRUB was installed in the wrong place. |
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| 13:46.29 | sdfer | dvs: its a uefi system, both EFI and boot partitions are there |
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| 13:46.47 | dvs | oh ok. I don't know about them fancy stuff |
| 13:46.50 | sdfer | i can see the efi files \EFI |
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| 13:48.21 | sdfer | I've even tried having EFI and boot on an external drive and boot from it, same story |
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| 13:48.54 | Ro_ | themill, thax |
| 13:49.03 | BluesKaj | sdfer, one method that works for me is boot repair, it's a live media app/OS that can restore the bootloader |
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| 13:51.57 | sdfer | BluesKaj: yes, its just the concept of running a livecd with god knows what in it |
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| 14:09.07 | haole | what do I need to install to be able to cross compile with gcc to 32 bits from a 64 bits host? |
| 14:09.40 | petern_ | a 32 bit chroot/lxc/kvm |
| 14:10.14 | somiaj | chroot works well, you can also use pbuilder if you want to automate this to build a debian package |
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| 14:11.07 | Xeago | is it possible to start the graphical installer from a hard disk partition? |
| 14:11.09 | petn-randall | Can anyone confirm which version of chef can be installed on wheezy? |
| 14:11.29 | petern_ | 10.12.0-3 |
| 14:11.39 | petn-randall | (chef server) |
| 14:12.04 | Xeago | My scenario, machine without external devices, that I'm trying to install debian on, debootstrap doesn't want to consider my machine as efi, not sure how to fix that either |
| 14:12.12 | petern_ | chef-server-api? 10.12.0-1 |
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| 14:15.15 | petn-randall | petern_: Thanks, must've missed that it's the actual server for some reason :/ |
| 14:15.29 | somiaj | Xeago: you need to boot via efi to be able to use it. What are you booting in to use debootstrap? |
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| 14:16.01 | Xeago | arch |
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| 14:16.27 | Xeago | I used this arch install to install an arch install that had uefi |
| 14:16.32 | petern_ | petn-randall, not something I know about. |
| 14:16.47 | petern_ | Maybe I should... |
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| 14:17.06 | Xeago | not sure how I would boot this arch install via efi |
| 14:17.21 | petn-randall | chef upstream only offers Ubuntu packages to download, it's a pain to map the requirements to the wheezy release. |
| 14:17.28 | somiaj | Xeago: well switching to uefi boot can be done after you debootstrap everything. My experience was in order to do that you had to boot up off a live image (or just the debian installer) in efi mode to get it to work |
| 14:17.50 | somiaj | Xeago: I did see an advanced way to switch to efi boot from non-efi boot if you don't have such a thing. Any reason you cannot just put the wheezy installer on a usb or cd? |
| 14:17.54 | Xeago | somiaj: I have debootstrap'd, and got a chroot just fine |
| 14:18.17 | Xeago | somiaj: this lenovo thinkpad x240 doesn't accept any usb sticks/drives |
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| 14:18.23 | somiaj | unless you have a efi boot so you can access the efi of the bios switching is a pain last I checked. It requires multiple steps |
| 14:18.23 | Xeago | and doesn't have a cd slot |
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| 14:18.43 | gr8 | SynrGy: thanks for your help. |
| 14:18.49 | somiaj | you can look up how to do it manually. When I read it I opted to just reinstall via the wheezy installer at the time Xeago. |
| 14:19.18 | Xeago | can I install an MBR without overwriting my UEFI? |
| 14:19.33 | Xeago | or whatever it is that makes me boot currently |
| 14:19.41 | Xeago | let me provide a bit more details |
| 14:19.52 | Xeago | I have /dev/sda1 as /boot/efi on my arch isntall |
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| 14:20.17 | Xeago | it contains the .efi file to boot into /dev/sda3 |
| 14:20.23 | somiaj | Xeago: your disk has a GPT partition table right? You can have both a MBR partition and a EFI partition on a GPT table, so you can actually boot in both modes provided you set it up |
| 14:20.25 | petn-randall | Xeago: You need to boot in UEFI mode to be able to access UEFI functions, and install grub-efi. It's a security limitation of UEFI itself, no way around it. |
| 14:20.45 | somiaj | Xeago: Can you boot into your arch install via efi? |
| 14:21.02 | haole | I meant how do I install a cross compiler in debian |
| 14:21.06 | SynrGy | gr8: no problem |
| 14:21.07 | Xeago | somiaj: perhaps, i wouldn't know how |
| 14:21.07 | haole | are there gcc packages for it/ |
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| 14:21.30 | Xeago | I apparently don't have efi on this arch install, but it boots without a MBR, and uses /dev/sda1 |
| 14:21.34 | somiaj | haole: you really do not need a cross compiler for 64 bit vs 32 bit since your processor can do both. You just need 32bit heareds and building tools |
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| 14:22.16 | Xeago | I actually have /boot/efi/debian/grubx64.efi too |
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| 14:22.21 | haole | somiaj: I think what I need is gcc-multilib |
| 14:22.25 | haole | just found out about it |
| 14:22.35 | somiaj | haole: the multiarch only allows for libaries (not headers) to be installed from both 32bit and 64bit. So you could compile 32bit but you would have to install a lot of 32bit headers removing all your 64bit headers. |
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| 14:22.59 | somiaj | haole: it is better to just use a clean 32bit build enviorment in a chroot. It is easy to do and actually gives you a far nicer enviorment to build in. |
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| 14:23.28 | somiaj | haole: with multiarch support building packages in a 32bit chroot works really well. What are you trying to compile? |
| 14:23.34 | Xeago | could it be easier to manually boot into /dev/sda4, which is where I have dd'd a netboot iso |
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| 14:25.35 | Xeago | assuming I set efi aside |
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| 14:26.06 | Xeago | and install a MBR, I won't loose my capabilities to boot using /dev/sda1 (/boot/efi), right? |
| 14:26.15 | Xeago | how would I install an MBR? |
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| 14:28.34 | weirddan455 | Xeago: you can't boot MBR and EFI at the same time |
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| 14:30.35 | weirddan455 | Xeago: what bootloader are you using currently in arch? |
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| 14:30.46 | Xeago | grub2 |
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| 14:30.59 | Eduardo_ | Hi o/ |
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| 14:31.15 | Xeago | 2.02.beta2-4 |
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| 14:31.25 | Eduardo_ | I have problems with GRUB instalation, "cant install the pakage GRUB-PC in /target/ the install system cant run without manager GRUB" |
| 14:31.28 | Eduardo_ | :'( Sorry my bad english |
| 14:32.33 | Brigo | Eduardo_, where are you trying to install the system? |
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| 14:33.59 | Eduardo_ | Brigo: In the free space of my HDD |
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| 14:34.29 | weirddan455 | Xeago: grub2 can actually be configured to boot either MBR or EFI but given you have a /boot/efi partition it's a pretty safe bet you're booting EFI |
| 14:34.41 | Brigo | Eduardo_, do you speak spanish? |
| 14:34.59 | Eduardo_ | yes |
| 14:35.01 | weirddan455 | Xeago: are you trying to dual-boot arch and debian? |
| 14:35.25 | Brigo | Eduardo_, join, then, #debian-es channel so i can help you in spanish. |
| 14:35.44 | Eduardo_ | tks |
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| 14:43.26 | neilmalk | hi |
| 14:43.39 | Xeago | weirddan455: not per se |
| 14:43.47 | Xeago | but if I brick my current arch install |
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| 14:43.51 | Xeago | the laptop is a brick |
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| 14:44.28 | Xeago | however, the arch install isn't actually efi, at least modprove efivars fails |
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| 14:46.28 | neilmalk | i'm trying to copy my defined "nautilus-actions" to another computer but i can't find where they are stored. Tried in gconf and it's not there (or i can't find it there) and also under .config. Any ideas? Thanks |
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| 14:48.48 | weirddan455 | Xeago: then why do you have an EFI partition? look in your grub.cfg and see what's going on... |
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| 14:55.05 | zecar | ok so I just updated to sid and I'm stuck in a loop where I run apt-get -f install and it installs mysql/php/etc and then I run apt-get autoremove and it then removes them |
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| 14:55.08 | zecar | what is up with that? |
| 14:55.39 | zecar | oh nm I guess it just wanted to go thru the loop twice seems ok now |
| 14:55.39 | dvs | it's sid |
| 14:55.44 | zecar | what a cluster |
| 14:55.55 | centrx | zecar, That's what autoremove does, you don't need to use it. |
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| 14:56.16 | centrx | zecar, If you want to subtract a package from autoremove, explicitly install it with apt-get install |
| 14:56.17 | zecar | any clue how to fix this: Depends: libavcodec54 (>= 6:9.1-1) but it is not installable or |
| 14:56.22 | Neirdan | Hi, I'm not really a sysadmin. What would be the best practice to create an apache2 user? |
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| 14:57.07 | centrx | Neirdan, Doesn't the Debian package do that when you install it? Or is it run as root.. |
| 14:57.28 | Neirdan | I installed it throught apt-get and no, it didn't |
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| 14:57.48 | Neirdan | Using ps I saw that it run under www-data even if the user isn't created. |
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| 14:57.49 | zecar | should have added www-data |
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| 14:58.34 | Neirdan | I'm listing the users throught cat /etc/passwd |
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| 14:58.58 | zecar | www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/usr/sbin/nologin |
| 14:59.01 | zecar | thats in my /etc/passwd |
| 14:59.12 | centrx | www-data should be there already |
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| 14:59.25 | Neirdan | Ah, nevermind, saw it, my bad. |
| 14:59.25 | centrx | unless you removed it I suppose |
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| 15:00.10 | Neirdan | Should I put the root "web" directory in /var/www (default) or /srv/www or /home/www-data ? |
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| 15:02.12 | centrx | /var/www |
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| 15:02.55 | Neirdan | And keep the owner:group root:root ? |
| 15:02.57 | heurist | Neirdan: leaving things default is a good idea, unless you understand all the implications of changing them. |
| 15:03.13 | heurist | Neirdan: no, www-data:www-data |
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| 15:03.46 | Neirdan | The server is just up and there are already classic attacks looking for phpmyadmin, mysql, sqlite and wordpress. |
| 15:04.01 | Neirdan | So I was wondering if security-wise changing the directory was a good idea or not |
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| 15:04.05 | centrx | Neirdan, Install fail2ban |
| 15:04.44 | centrx | *on all public services with open ports, such as ssh |
| 15:04.46 | heurist | Neirdan: changing owner will break many things on the server, since it runs as www-data and can not write as needed. |
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| 15:04.51 | mhoney | anyone know is the areca 1224-81 raid controller supports ssd caching? |
| 15:05.37 | Neirdan | centrx: Good idea, thanks. heurist: funnily, the current user of /var/www is root:root and I didn't change anything |
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| 15:05.54 | heurist | Neirdan: then leave it till you have issues. |
| 15:06.35 | heurist | Neirdan: just make sure nothing is running as root to compensate for those permissions. |
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| 15:07.09 | Neirdan | heurist: ps aux | grep apache ? |
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| 15:08.27 | weirddan455 | Neirdan: look at /etc/apache2/conf.d/security |
| 15:08.45 | Neirdan | weirddan455: I already modified that to prod |
| 15:08.56 | Neirdan | And disabled the bottom thing |
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| 15:09.27 | Neirdan | weirddan455: good suggestion anyway, thanks :) |
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| 15:09.36 | lenteja | hi there |
| 15:09.47 | weirddan455 | Neirdan: the top block is one of the best things for security... it disables access to the entire filesystem except for what you explicitly allow later |
| 15:10.49 | Neirdan | weirddan455: Well, I'll add it and remove it if there are some errors. Thanks |
| 15:11.00 | lenteja | is possible to remove the console warnig message after loging? |
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| 15:13.07 | heurist | lenteja: mesg n |
| 15:13.25 | weirddan455 | Neirdan: disable indexing is another good thing... really the main thing that'll get you are badly configured web-apps like publically accessable phpmyadmin or outdated wordpress... that's why you're seeing people looking for those |
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| 15:13.30 | buckfast | hey |
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| 15:13.48 | lenteja | < heurist> sorry? |
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| 15:13.59 | buckfast | I would like to set up automatic updates from iceweasel backports but there is not /etc/apt/preferences file. Has it been moved in wheezy? |
| 15:14.07 | Neirdan | weirddan455: I don't use phpmyadmin anyway, and yeah I'll disable the indexing of directories that don't have index files |
| 15:14.11 | heurist | lenteja: tyoe that at the console after logging in |
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| 15:15.10 | weirddan455 | Neirdan: disable indexing period... the only use for it is if you're running a file server |
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| 15:16.41 | lenteja | < heurist> ok is the "the programs included with the debian GNU/linux... and debian GNU/linux come with absolutely no warranty..." |
| 15:16.57 | Neirdan | weirddan455: Yeah, adding Options None to the security file |
| 15:17.06 | heurist | lenteja: that is the message of the day. |
| 15:17.29 | heurist | dpkg: tell lenteja about motd |
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| 15:17.37 | lenteja | < heurist> ok thanks |
| 15:17.54 | heurist | buckfast: if you install iceweasle from backport it will update from backports |
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| 15:18.37 | buckfast | heurist: I thought backports don't upgrade automatically? |
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| 15:20.00 | heurist | buckfast: they do not install automatically, but once installed they update |
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| 15:20.46 | buckfast | heurist: are you sure? |
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| 15:21.09 | heurist | buckfast: yes, try it. |
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| 15:21.57 | refrax | https://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
| 15:21.59 | buckfast | heurist: alright, though the only way to try it is to wait for a newer release from the backports |
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| 15:39.22 | maziar | hi every one , i am nee user and i need to config postfix with mysql with sasl and dovecot ON DEBIAN , what is the pest , howTO / tutorial for it , that explain thing step by step, please help me |
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| 15:40.46 | centrx | maziar, Install them with apt-get install |
| 15:41.29 | Brigo | maziar, workaround.org, for sure. |
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| 15:42.07 | centrx | maziar, Debian configuration information would be located in /usr/share/doc/postfix (for example), but generally the configuration is the same as any Linux system, so you want to look for Postfix configuration manpages for example. |
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| 15:42.45 | centrx | maziar, Make sure you have a security line in /etc/apt/sources.list and any security updates are promptly upgraded |
| 15:43.14 | maziar | centrx, i want a step by step guid |
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| 15:43.50 | maziar | Brigo, does it have a step by step guid for postfix ? |
| 15:44.21 | Brigo | maziar, it is the best you can find, just check it. |
| 15:44.22 | centrx | maziar, Read the first paragraph on the front page of that site, in the left column |
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| 15:46.30 | maziar | Brigo, please help brigo , i want a full how to |
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| 15:46.48 | maziar | Brigo, it is not what i want |
| 15:47.07 | mtn | maziar: Wouldn't it be cool if someone came up with a way to search for information on the internet? |
| 15:47.10 | maziar | centrx, sorry my frient i dont know what do you said , |
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| 15:47.34 | maziar | mtn, i dont find my result on net |
| 15:47.39 | centrx | It looks like precisely what you want |
| 15:47.59 | maziar | mtn, do you have a suggestion ? |
| 15:48.03 | centrx | Basic set up is just apt-get install and tweak the configuration |
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| 15:48.11 | centrx | Exactly what you want to tweak, depends on you |
| 15:48.15 | mtn | maziar: sorry, I don't feel like searching for your answer for you |
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| 15:48.30 | maziar | mtn, good tanks |
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| 15:49.31 | maziar | centrx, i dont need to install only !!!! i want the configuration guid , or how to , or tutorial |
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| 15:50.41 | centrx | maziar, There is already a basic configuration, open it up and look at it alongside the man page. |
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| 15:51.04 | maziar | all i want is : config postfix with mysql with sasl and dovecot ON DEBIAN , what is the pest , howTO / tutorial for it , that explain thing step by step, please help me |
| 15:51.24 | centrx | No one can help you until you decide to help yourself. |
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| 15:52.05 | mtn | maziar: those things are too complicated to have only one guide for every situation |
| 15:52.49 | maziar | centrx, i search that like this : "site:workaround.org configure postfix" |
| 15:53.02 | maziar | centrx, does not helpfull |
| 15:53.25 | centrx | maziar, What happened when you visited the website, www.workaround.org ? |
| 15:54.20 | maziar | centrx, what do you mean dude , its not what i want, |
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| 15:54.44 | maziar | centrx, i want a full tutorial about config mail server on debian |
| 15:54.45 | centrx | maziar, "Learn how to integrate your email services using Postfix, Dovecot/Courier IMAP/POP3 and MySQL backend on a Debian server" |
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| 15:54.53 | centrx | maziar, Isn't that almost your exact question? |
| 15:55.04 | maziar | yes |
| 15:55.11 | maziar | centrx, yes |
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| 15:55.43 | centrx | maziar, Okay, so the first link under that text is "ISPmail tutorial using Postfix 2.9 (Debian Wheezy)" |
| 15:55.56 | maziar | centrx, let me check it |
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| 15:57.41 | maziar | centrx, its seems good |
| 15:57.52 | maziar | centrx, very very tank you dude |
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| 15:58.01 | mtn | that was hard |
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| 15:58.41 | centrx | AOL is easier to use |
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| 16:00.12 | zophy | what can i use to see the radio link level errors of a wireless connection ? |
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| 16:00.41 | paddymahoney | Hello all, can someone point me to documentation detailing how dpkg/apt-get/aptitude decides whether a package is newer or older than another? We have certain packages that are newer, but that aren't being upgraded to when we 'sudo aptitude upgrade <pkg-name>' |
| 16:01.15 | babilen | paddymahoney: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy PKG" to http://paste.debian.net for those packages? |
| 16:02.44 | babilen | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version is the policy on versions |
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| 16:04.15 | alexa | hi, guys |
| 16:04.24 | alexa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.40 | alexa | it won't work even if I type "apt-get -f install" |
| 16:04.45 | alexa | can't manage it |
| 16:04.46 | paddymahoney | babilen-thanks! exactly what I was looking for. |
| 16:04.49 | alexa | how to fix it? |
| 16:05.18 | mtn | alexa: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to the paste site |
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| 16:05.46 | babilen | paddymahoney: See http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.manipulating-packages-with-dpkg.html → "GOING FURTHER Comparison of versions" |
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| 16:06.29 | alexa | mtn, my sources.list is empty. I am using LMDE, so there are another reps, I guess |
| 16:06.41 | needhelp | LDME!!!! |
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| 16:06.46 | mtn | alexa: well, you are on the wrong channel then. not supported here |
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| 16:06.49 | alexa | repositories are put in sources.list.d directory |
| 16:06.56 | needhelp | i've moved from LMDE back to Windows 7 |
| 16:07.00 | babilen | needhelp: Do you have a Debian related question? |
| 16:07.16 | alexa | LMDE is Debian based Linux Mint, as far as I know |
| 16:07.25 | mtn | alexa: yes, and not supported here |
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| 16:07.35 | mtn | !lmde |
| 16:07.36 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 16:09.48 | alexa | sorry, I didn't mean to make you guys angry. However, I find this problem not related to any distro at all, but related to Linux in general. I was messing something with wine and made a complete mass. Now I can't neither remove nor install anything. I know that this is not LMDE channel, but please, I'm begging you, consider this as Linux problem, not as some "other distro" problem. |
| 16:10.12 | centrx | alexa, Packaging issues are very specific to distribution actually |
| 16:10.16 | alexa | Like when you go to doctor. If he's surgeon, he might refuse to check your nail :p |
| 16:10.18 | mtn | alexa: we aren't angry, we just don't know that distro. please go to the proper channel |
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| 16:10.35 | centrx | alexa, The problem that are having would never occur on a properly configured Debian stable system |
| 16:10.41 | alexa | mtn, I tried there, but guys there are idle, sleeping |
| 16:10.44 | centrx | alexa, It is often a symptom of mixing distributions |
| 16:10.49 | babilen | alexa: This channel only supports pure Debian and its users for a number of technical and social reasons. So please take it to ##linux or the aforementioned mint channel. |
| 16:10.56 | SynrGy | alexa: if you don't like the support you get from your chosen distro, consider using Debian |
| 16:11.04 | mtn | alexa: if you install debian we would be glad to help you if you have problems |
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| 16:11.27 | babilen | It is, after all, not our fault that the distribution *you* chose has suboptimal support. |
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| 16:11.37 | babilen | (I guess we got the message across) |
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| 16:11.53 | SynrGy | bludgeon, anyone? |
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| 16:12.00 | mtn | heh |
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| 16:13.01 | weirddan455 | alexa: how would wine mess up apt? that doesn't make any sense |
| 16:13.05 | jhutchins | SynrGy: We all seem to have our own. |
| 16:13.44 | donh_ | Hi. I need to change the default kernel in grub. Is there a way to see the order of the kernels in grub without a reboot? |
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| 16:14.34 | babilen | donh_: You might be interested in GRUB_DEFAULT and "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration' |
| 16:14.37 | babilen | " |
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| 16:14.43 | votick | babilen: I'm doing some math review today; but I'm going and gathering as much info about my wireless adaptor as possible, so when I do the CD1 boot with firmware I will be able to get wifi working. |
| 16:14.50 | votick | babilen: is this enough info you think? http://paste.debian.net/113142/ |
| 16:15.01 | centrx | donh_, Probably: cat /etc/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 16:15.12 | babilen | votick: As always: Ask the channel, there are many people in here that know their stuff. |
| 16:15.15 | centrx | donh_, Sorry, /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 16:15.19 | votick | Oh yeah, pardon. |
| 16:15.21 | SynrGy | or just run update-grub. it'll show the order in which they're automatically added. |
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| 16:16.00 | babilen | votick: So, your wireless *is* encrypted! You seid that it was an open/unencrypted network yesterday and it is no surprise that you cannot connect to it if it is a WPA2 encrypted one. |
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| 16:16.21 | votick | babilen: Sorry ;_; I didn't know! I just got this info from plugging it into my windows desktop |
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| 16:16.35 | babilen | votick: Well, it makes a *massive* difference :) |
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| 16:16.47 | Neirdan | I had to add AllowTcpForwarding yes in my /etc/ssh/sshd_config to use heidiSQL on my mysql server, are there security risks? |
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| 16:16.57 | votick | babilen: So would you suggest I still do the full reinstall of debian via CD1 and firmware? |
| 16:16.57 | alexa | centrx: I know, mixing distros is never good option |
| 16:17.08 | votick | babilen: plus remove the graphics card |
| 16:17.40 | mtn | alexa: there are lots of folks on the linuxmint-help channel and you have not asked your question there in the last hour or so. you should go there. |
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| 16:17.43 | alexa | weirddan455, I needed newer wine, at least v1.5 (doesn't have to be the newest) |
| 16:18.13 | alexa | mtn, I asked a question in linuxmint-debian, not in linuxmint-help |
| 16:18.31 | alexa | <mtn> alexa: if you install debian we would be glad to help you if you have problems |
| 16:18.35 | mtn | alexa: maybe try the help channel, but you are surely in the wrong channel here |
| 16:18.37 | babilen | votick: You can, if you have wpasupplicant installed (dpkg -l wpasupplicant), also configure *that* wifi in your /etc/network/interfaces, but would use something like http://paste.debian.net/113143/ |
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| 16:19.32 | alexa | mtn, thanks for Constantly reminding me that I might be in wrong channel. I installed pure Wheezy two weeks ago and tried to bring Cinnamon there, but couldn't |
| 16:19.44 | alexa | that's why I had to install LMDE |
| 16:19.49 | alexa | it's debian after all |
| 16:19.52 | babilen | votick: Once you've done that "ifup wlan0" and you should have a connection then. Install the kernel as detailed in <bdo kernel> and the nvidia drivers as detailed on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy-backports -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
| 16:20.03 | centrx | alexa, The general Linux Mint channel is more likely to have people who know about LMDE |
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| 16:20.13 | babilen | alexa: LMDE is *not* Debian. So drop it now, please |
| 16:20.20 | mtn | alexa: if you don't have a debian support question, please don't interupt the debian support channel |
| 16:20.39 | votick | babilen: Alright will do. Keeping list of your messages so I have a guide. I'll do the full repartition of usb and setup cd1 with firmware, then follow these instructions, since I feel as if my install right now is kinda broken with the netinst iso I used. |
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| 16:21.13 | alexa | ok, I'm leaving now. I'm surprised how much cruelty there is in the world. |
| 16:21.15 | sandman13 | votick: don't you have access to Ethernet? |
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| 16:21.35 | mtn | cruelty? hmm. |
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| 16:21.48 | votick | sandman13: I don't have a cord long enough no, it would be a big hassle; but I suppose if I had to I could bring my whole build downstairs and do that. |
| 16:21.55 | SynrGy | cruelty would be to suggest installing windows instead. |
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| 16:22.28 | babilen | votick: You don't have to reinstall .. just get that box online |
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| 16:22.37 | votick | babilen: Alright then, I'll do that. |
| 16:22.43 | centrx | O cruel new world, that has such people in it. |
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| 16:23.37 | votick | switches to laptop |
| 16:23.41 | donh_ | babilen centrx cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg was what I needed Thanks! |
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| 16:27.35 | v0tick | Alright babilen, just waiting for the 1000's of "error no room on ep ring" errors to go away so I can type |
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| 16:29.51 | jhutchins | Wouldn't it be nice if there were a utility that would parse the grub config and display the menu as seen on boot (without actually booting)? |
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| 16:32.30 | TJ- | jhutchins: nice idea! have you written it? |
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| 16:33.32 | TJ- | jhutchins: Might be possible simply by creating an executable wrapper around normal.mod |
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| 16:34.05 | v0tick | babilen: I ran dpkg -l wpasupplicant and it states status: not/inst/conf rreinst-required |
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| 16:36.48 | TJ- | jhutchins: with suitable wrapper, it could be done by calling grub-core/normal/menu.c::run_menu() |
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| 16:42.08 | grobda24 | Is it possible to find all applications that use a particular library ? |
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| 16:42.54 | Resilience | where can I read what all those directories under /etc/network are used for? |
| 16:43.59 | heurist | grobda24: gentoo has a script called revdep-rebuild, you can maybe look at how that does it. |
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| 16:44.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 16:44.28 | grobda24 | heurist, k |
| 16:44.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to rescue my grub2 install on debian/proxmox |
| 16:44.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | the grub keeps coming back too a minimal shell |
| 16:44.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dont know what i am doing wrong |
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| 16:45.40 | heurist | Eryn_1983_FL: in this a fresh install? |
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| 16:46.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | no, |
| 16:46.32 | jhutchins | TJ-: Yeah, I would expect that a programmer could strip the menu generation/display code out of grub pretty easily. |
| 16:46.43 | jhutchins | TJ-: I am a sysadmin, not a programmer. |
| 16:46.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | its been used for a bit i just upgraded my kernel so i rebooted i think i blew away my grub2 when i made a zfs pool... |
| 16:47.08 | jhutchins | !fixgrub |
| 16:47.09 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI! |
| 16:48.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah i tried that the proc part wouldnt work i dont know why |
| 16:48.24 | jmcnaught | Eryn_1983_FL: you should also know that Proxmox isn't supported in this channel ("/msg dpkg proxmox" for a link to where to get support). |
| 16:48.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah i know... |
| 16:48.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | but you guys are awesome |
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| 16:48.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | #debian > #proxmox |
| 16:49.17 | TJ- | jhutchins: I think you may have given me a challenge :) |
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| 16:50.22 | jhutchins | TJ-: I just know that's a rabbit hole I don't want to go down. I'm happy with bash scripts. |
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| 16:50.58 | jmcnaught | Eryn_1983_FL: part of the problem is that we don't know what Proxmox has changed from regular Debian. You also can't expect #debian to support every derivative. If you want support here, install Debian :) |
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| 16:51.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah ok fine |
| 16:51.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | i will just let it sit for now |
| 16:52.21 | Psychon4ut | Hi guys, do you know any package to build a watchdog server which monitors tcp/udp services on servers, sending emails and stuff ? |
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| 16:54.48 | Resilience | psyit is almost trivial tro program it, but at google for soemthing like heratbeat or wathcdog services.. and you sohuld read something on snmp ;D |
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| 16:55.25 | jhutchins | Psychon4ut: Nagios |
| 16:55.30 | forcer | Psychon4ut: Look at monit for small setups, or nagios/icinga for large ones |
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| 16:55.53 | jhutchins | Psychon4ut: icinga has web-based configuration but otherwise is essentially nagios. |
| 16:56.03 | Psychon4ut | Isn nagios a bit to big for that ? |
| 16:56.04 | Resilience | snmp does not make the work at watching services? |
| 16:56.24 | Resilience | I think we should stick ti the known standard tools |
| 16:56.38 | jhutchins | Resilience: snmp is a mess. |
| 16:57.16 | jhutchins | Resilience: Besides which it's a protocol, you still need a program to collect/interpret/display the info. |
| 16:57.23 | Psychon4ut | Important for me is that this software dies not dependt on listening deamon on the monitored system |
| 16:57.35 | Psychon4ut | maybe some tool which just check the ports via telnet |
| 16:57.41 | Resilience | jhutchins, why is a mess? |
| 16:57.44 | Psychon4ut | pretty small and less abusable |
| 16:57.47 | forcer | Psychon4ut: Did you look at monit? |
| 16:58.04 | Psychon4ut | monit no I will google that thanks |
| 16:58.06 | jhutchins | Psychon4ut: Nagios can do that. If you want internal info on a remote system you can have it trigger local queries that send back data. |
| 16:58.18 | jhutchins | Resilience: WHat work have you done with it? |
| 16:58.43 | Resilience | Psychon4ut, https://www.google.com/search?q=snmp+server+watchdog, for example |
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| 16:59.47 | Psychon4ut | awesome that are some names i can operate with, thanks guys |
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| 17:00.46 | Resilience | jhutchins, and you? why are you arging that a complex tools is better than an standar protocol with lots of documentation and libs and programs? |
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| 17:02.15 | forcer | I wrote a fault-tolerant SNMP data collection daemon with a few terabyte in the DB. Confirming, SNMP is a mess. |
| 17:02.46 | ioudas | id side with nagios over snmp roll your own |
| 17:03.24 | Resilience | forcer why? it is a mess why? I wolud like to know some arguments |
| 17:03.29 | forcer | Yeah. Especially the "roll your own" part. %) |
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| 17:04.16 | grothendieck | nagios works pretty well |
| 17:04.38 | grothendieck | it is good enough for "is this box up? is this port open?" |
| 17:04.45 | grothendieck | pretty easy |
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| 17:05.20 | Resilience | grothendieck, and snmp not? come on... |
| 17:05.24 | ioudas | yeah, i was reading a gartner review of nagios where one of their "anaylysts" called that too hard for most sys admins |
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| 17:05.49 | ioudas | http://blogs.gartner.com/jonah-kowall/2013/02/22/got-nagios-get-rid-of-it/ |
| 17:05.50 | forcer | Resilience: It's an incredibly over-engineered protocol for what it is usually used for. The structure the RFCs assume for the whole setup do not exist in any but the most complex situations (and even there I'd doubt it). Then Cisco tends to define their own MIBs, and the data types returned are quite terrible (the value for "no value" is a string, say). |
| 17:06.56 | forcer | Resilience: Then there's a bunch of little wtfs, like the OID suffixes to get a direct value vs. a tree walk for multiple values. |
| 17:07.33 | dondelelcaro | SNMP was designed for an area when devices had very little computing power, if any |
| 17:07.34 | forcer | Resilience: The routers I queried had some highly silly triple-indirection to identify direct values, too. Would love to give you examples, but I wrote this months ago and the code is at work. |
| 17:07.36 | Resilience | forcer but you don't hav to implement the prtocol, you only have to use some little tools, which is lesser and leaner than a full nagios so it doe snot matter |
| 17:08.03 | grothendieck | http://search.cpan.org/~dtown/Net-SNMP-v6.0.1/lib/Net/SNMP.pm |
| 17:08.18 | grothendieck | what could be more logical and intuitive ;) |
| 17:08.22 | Spec | we configure nagios with puppet in an automated fashion btw |
| 17:08.33 | Spec | is win, that article is silly |
| 17:08.39 | grothendieck | Spec: same here |
| 17:08.42 | forcer | Resilience: My experience does not support the idea that you do not have to bother about the protocol if you want to do anything but the most trivial things. But then we're back at "why roll your own if there's something there already". |
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| 17:08.55 | forcer | I'd agree that for simple setups, nagios is overkill. That's what monit is there for. |
| 17:09.24 | grothendieck | there's always Landscape https://landscape.canonical.com/ |
| 17:09.25 | grothendieck | heh |
| 17:09.30 | grothendieck | for a king's ransom per month per server |
| 17:09.35 | Spec | if your sys admins can't figure out nagios, honestly, you need new sys admins :p |
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| 17:09.50 | Resilience | forcer and I think that checking up if some services keep on running in a few servers are a work for monit, and not nagios... |
| 17:10.06 | Resilience | Spec, if yor sysadmins not use snmo should be fired, the same applies |
| 17:10.22 | Spec | snmp, you mean? |
| 17:10.29 | forcer | I use monit for a single-server setup. Multiple servers quickly go into the nagios realm. |
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| 17:10.57 | Resilience | forcer there s that think.. used to be called shellscritps... |
| 17:11.01 | forcer | Oh, I forgot to mention that the security model of SNMP is terrible. |
| 17:11.09 | Spec | v1 at any rate, v3 is better |
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| 17:11.31 | Spec | -c public :( |
| 17:11.32 | forcer | Resilience: The "not invented here" syndrome is not a badge of honor :-) |
| 17:12.11 | Resilience | forcer, the man who only knows a hammer thinks everything is a nail, or something like that |
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| 17:12.25 | grothendieck | everything is a snail |
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| 17:12.28 | Resilience | by the way |
| 17:12.34 | Spec | grothendieck: certainly my laptop is :( |
| 17:12.54 | Resilience | all the directories under /etc/network... where can I find a webpage or a manual that explains why and how are they used for? |
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| 17:13.57 | Spec | Resilience: 'man interfaces' |
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| 17:14.08 | Spec | Resilience: followed by reading perhaps /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/* |
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| 17:16.35 | Resilience | Spec, ah thank you, |
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| 17:17.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok guys maybe you can help me with this then since you dont do proxmox |
| 17:18.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | my usb disk is now 10mb in size.. its a 32gb disk how do i make it large again? i deleted the partitions but i cant dd my image to it now its too small.. |
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| 17:19.03 | Resilience | Eryn_1983_FL, cfdisk /dev/sd<whatever letter it be> |
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| 17:20.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | its still 10 mb of fress space |
| 17:20.44 | Resilience | Spec, mmm I don't quite understand what kind of files would go into /etc/newtorking/*d directories |
| 17:20.45 | Eduardo_ | If I delete the partitions with Disk Utility, can I undo this action? |
| 17:20.59 | Resilience | Eryn_1983_FL, no, do you see the partitions with the cfdisk tool? |
| 17:21.13 | Spec | Resilience: Resilience you mean /etc/network/? |
| 17:21.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | no partitions free space |
| 17:21.24 | iateadonut | my VPS provider |
| 17:21.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | 10 mb is size of disk i need to change the size back.. |
| 17:21.34 | Resilience | Spec, ah yes, sorry |
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| 17:22.15 | iateadonut | my VPS provider's data center blew up or something. they have a backup of my VPS (complete) in tar - they sent it to me, but i'm wondering if it's possible for me to simply extract the data into the root of another VPS? or how would I go about doing this? |
| 17:22.16 | Spec | Resilience: if-pre-up.d runs scripts before the interface comes up, if-up.d runs them after they're up, if-down.d runs right before they're downed, if-post-down.d runs them right after they are downed |
| 17:22.45 | Spec | Resilience: usually they files come with the packages you install |
| 17:22.54 | Resilience | Spec, yes, that part is understood, but I don't see... |
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| 17:23.18 | Resilience | Spec, aha, yes, there are soem packages there... |
| 17:23.29 | Spec | Resilience: like bouncing ssh when a new interface comes up, etc |
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| 17:23.52 | Resilience | Spec, what's bouncing? |
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| 17:24.39 | grothendieck | iateadonut: spin up a clean vps, attach a volume and mount it somewhere like /mnt/old, extract your tarball under that directory |
| 17:24.53 | grothendieck | you can use it for chroot |
| 17:25.10 | grothendieck | and you can copy out what you need from the old system into the new system |
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| 17:25.47 | iateadonut | i don't think this provider allows attaching a new volume |
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| 17:26.40 | grothendieck | you can still just extract it under a directory on the same volume or partition |
| 17:27.07 | grothendieck | I would recommend doing it on a separate volume/parttition/lv |
| 17:28.06 | Resilience | Spec, which are the differences with the pre-up, up, post-ip, pewdown, odown, post-own optiosn in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:28.20 | grothendieck | but okay, just like: mkdir -p /mnt/old ; cd /mnt/old ; tar -xzvf ${ARCHIVE}.tar.gz ; chroot /mnt/old /bin/bash |
| 17:28.48 | grothendieck | 'exit' to leave chroot |
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| 17:29.46 | iateadonut | the thing is i had a web server. going into chroot isn't going to help that web server face out, right? it will only give me a shell within the old VPS? |
| 17:30.10 | iateadonut | (a separate partition would be ideal, but this company doesn't have it.) |
| 17:30.23 | iateadonut | i should probably switch to amazon. |
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| 17:34.58 | iateadonut | and i used ispconfig for the backend; i was thinking about using virtualmin. i use cpanel at work, and really liked the way you can backup and restore an entire account. not possible on ispconfig but looks easier on virtualmin. |
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| 17:37.00 | mns | anyone know how I get rhythmbox to work when I'm sitting behind a proxy ? I'm using xfce4 as my desktop environment. |
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| 17:37.19 | mns | basically I'm unable to access any radio broadcasts. |
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| 17:39.50 | grothendieck | iateadonut: yeah, I would switch to ec2 or something probably |
| 17:39.57 | grothendieck | and you can totally run a web server under chroot |
| 17:40.09 | grothendieck | in fact that is quite common |
| 17:40.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | so no matter what i do i cant get it to work :( |
| 17:40.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | there are no partitons now and i am down to one mb on the disk |
| 17:40.23 | ParaDebian | hello o/ |
| 17:40.24 | grothendieck | DNS and exim are often run under chroot |
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| 17:42.56 | iateadonut | that's news to me. i will look that up. do you know any keywords that might help my search? (i was going to put in google 'running web server through chroot') |
| 17:43.13 | ParaDebian | how can i connect my debian on internet via wifi usb? |
| 17:43.34 | iateadonut | that's so cool - all of a sudden this is no longer a tedious chore but a fun new thing to learn about. thanks so much grothendieck |
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| 17:47.06 | grothendieck | np |
| 17:48.01 | grothendieck | iateadonut: btw, you can actually do hosting of static websites (no server-side stuff) on amazon s3 |
| 17:48.10 | grothendieck | so like html and javascript |
| 17:48.43 | grothendieck | just upload your website data to an s3 bucket and point DNS at it |
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| 17:50.28 | somiaj | ParaDebian: it should be like most wifi cards, and may require non-free firmware. What does it say about your usb wireless card when you plug it in via 'dmesg' and what wireless chipset is on that card? |
| 17:51.02 | iateadonut | yeah. i'll have to look into amazon, but ipxcore gave me this new VPS for half price in perpetuity for all the trouble, so i may as well try to chroot it there for a while. |
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| 17:52.06 | iateadonut | i also like hivelocity's support, so i may get a VPS from them, too (since they have their own data center and claim to have no debt; ipxcore doesn't have their own datacenter apparently, and the one they used went out of business with absolutely no warning) |
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| 17:52.36 | iateadonut | i'll have to check out virtualmin as well so i can slowly move stuff over to that if it has a good account backup function. |
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| 17:54.27 | ParaDebian | somiaj: lot of things |
| 17:54.27 | ParaDebian | with lsusb i can see my usb card connected |
| 17:55.58 | ParaDebian | somiaj: ideas? |
| 17:56.23 | somiaj | ParaDebian: not unles you actually answer my questions. Does it give you any errors in demsg, what chipset |
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| 17:57.00 | ParaDebian | somiaj: it's a raspberry pi, and actually i have only a keyboard to work on |
| 17:57.16 | ParaDebian | i cant even scroll up to see if it gives errors or not |
| 17:57.19 | ParaDebian | but it seems not |
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| 17:58.23 | babilen | v0tick: It is not installed then (you need that to connect to wpa encrypted networks) -- I would hope that the "error no room .." error would go away with a newer kernel. |
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| 17:58.49 | babilen | v0tick: I bugged certain people and we might get to test an installer with kernel 3.14 this weekend (but I hoped for it before, so don't hold your breath) |
| 17:59.08 | ParaDebian | somiaj: Ralink RT5370 |
| 17:59.18 | v0tick | babilen: I've installed 3 new kernel headers and put them on via usb, along with wireless-tools, and a ralink firmware. Still not letting me get internet |
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| 18:00.48 | v0tick | babilen: Was following another guide to, but then it says type "make install" and I don't have make comand... Maybe have to just reinstall distro using the CD1 thing, as I appear to be missing a lot |
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| 18:02.40 | ParaDebian | any luck? |
| 18:05.07 | somiaj | ParaDebian: you most likley just need the ralink firmware package fdrom non-free and should have seen errors about laoding firmware in dmesg. |
| 18:05.25 | somiaj | ParaDebian: are you runngind ebian or rasbian, if you are running rasbian you are in teh wrong support channel |
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| 18:09.25 | yolo_ | is there anyway i can get rid of the debian Activities fluid interface and have a mycomputer, documents and stuff like that on my desktop instead ? |
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| 18:09.57 | yolo_ | very disturbing.. makes debian feels like ubuntu :( |
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| 18:12.43 | petern_ | Yes, either install lots of addons for Gnome, or switch to a different desktop environment. |
| 18:12.45 | MiroslavR | hello, why does libogre-1.9-dev depend on libboost-dev and libboost-thread-dev? shouldn't it depend on specific versions of these? |
| 18:13.00 | MiroslavR | talking about debian testing |
| 18:13.07 | dvs | v0tick: You still didnt install Debian yet? |
| 18:13.28 | Artemis3 | if you install the specific versions the dependency is satisfied, i belive there is a min version somewhere in there :) |
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| 18:14.14 | yolo_ | petern_, debian should have kept it's classic desktop theme |
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| 18:14.31 | Artemis3 | you mean mate? install it and done |
| 18:15.05 | Artemis3 | oh wait desktop theme |
| 18:15.17 | Artemis3 | maybe you don't like the toy rocket :3 |
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| 18:15.48 | some-cowbell | MiroslavR: so, the maintainer makes decisions on what packages the package he's working on, needs to run. |
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| 18:15.57 | some-cowbell | for the most part anyway. |
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| 18:16.52 | some-cowbell | MiroslavR: libs are often a special case: the package building process can tell which libs are needed, and include them automatically in the Depends: list. |
| 18:17.20 | Artemis3 | and its nice that it can work with more than one version :) |
| 18:17.35 | yolo_ | how do i browse into my files and folders ? |
| 18:17.45 | some-cowbell | cd and ls |
| 18:17.52 | yolo_ | OMG! i should have just installed a headless version |
| 18:18.00 | petern_ | use the file browser |
| 18:18.23 | petern_ | file cabinet icon on the left after hovering over activities |
| 18:18.27 | somiaj | MiroslavR: why do you think it should depend on a specific version. It can probabaly link to various versions of the other libaries? |
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| 18:19.00 | yolo_ | thanks petern_ |
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| 18:19.35 | petern_ | you can also type when that screen is open to search for things or run programs |
| 18:19.41 | yolo_ | petern_, i have downloaded google chrome stable from the site in a .deb package how do i install deb packages correctly ? |
| 18:19.47 | MiroslavR | my understanding of this very limited, but libogre-1.9.0 depends on a specific version of boost (1.55) |
| 18:19.57 | yolo_ | especially for debian |
| 18:20.15 | sheap | yolo_: sudo dpkg -i google.deb |
| 18:20.38 | MiroslavR | basically, I'm getting these warnings while compiling something: |
| 18:20.40 | MiroslavR | /usr/bin/ld: warning: libboost_thread.so.1.55.0, needed by /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.9/../../../x86_64-linux-gnu/libOgreMain.so, may conflict with libboost_thread.so.1.54.0 |
| 18:20.40 | MiroslavR | /usr/bin/ld: warning: libboost_system.so.1.55.0, needed by /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.9/../../../x86_64-linux-gnu/libOgreMain.so, may conflict with libboost_system.so.1.54.0 |
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| 18:21.07 | MiroslavR | http://pastebin.com/7eHS0xnu |
| 18:21.24 | yolo_ | sheap, the name "google" should be raplaced by the package right ? |
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| 18:21.48 | sheap | yolo_: correct |
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| 18:23.11 | babilen | v0tick: You *do not* have to compile *anything* -- Please don't overwrite something. You need wpasupplicant and dependencies -- https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/wpasupplicant |
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| 18:24.05 | dvs | thought wpasupplicant came with the netinst ISO |
| 18:24.15 | babilen | dvs: It does |
| 18:24.29 | babilen | But it is not necessarily installed it appears |
| 18:24.35 | somiaj | MiroslavR: I would repor that as a bug, it could just be warnings or maybe the other libs are newer in sid. |
| 18:24.43 | babilen | But then v0tick misinterpreted questions before |
| 18:24.50 | yolo_ | this is really weird my home directory is name /Home but when i try browsing directory it says it does not exist but when i browse /home it exist but contains nothing ? |
| 18:24.53 | dvs | ah |
| 18:25.17 | Artemis3 | that cap H... |
| 18:25.37 | MiroslavR | somiaj, it causes random ogre crashes in the application I'm trying to compile |
| 18:25.41 | some-cowbell | yolo, that does sound weird... do you find anything from grep Home /etc/passwd? |
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| 18:25.59 | somiaj | MiroslavR: what version of libbost-dev is on your machine? |
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| 18:26.09 | MiroslavR | 1.54 |
| 18:26.24 | somiaj | ,v libboost-dev |
| 18:26.25 | judd | Package: libboost-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 1.42.0.1; wheezy: 1.49.0.1; jessie: 1.55.0.2; sid: 1.55.0.2 |
| 18:26.34 | yolo_ | yes home exists but not Home but Home does exist and its actually the right dir |
| 18:26.39 | somiaj | MiroslavR: upgrade your ssytem to be full jessie. |
| 18:26.54 | babilen | v0tick: I still don't quite understand why you didn't simply configure your networking during the initial installation. Your adaptor seems to be working and the installer supports WPA2 encrypted networks. You can do that with both the netinst and the CD1 (which also contains the desktop environment) |
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| 18:28.11 | somiaj | MiroslavR: your version is outdated. In a stable system those exact versions on the lib depnds will probabaly not matter, but in jessie they seemed to as you wern't upgraded. Not sure if it would be considered a bug or not since you weren't running full jessie packages. |
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| 18:28.31 | yolo_ | sudo dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current_i386.deb |
| 18:28.35 | some-cowbell | maybe jessie -used- to have that version |
| 18:28.46 | MiroslavR | but if I update libboost-dev, there are 3 broken packages |
| 18:29.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell v0tick -about rt3572 |
| 18:29.00 | yolo_ | sounds right |
| 18:29.05 | some-cowbell | which would imply your system hasn't been updated in awhile |
| 18:29.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell v0tick -about ralink firmware |
| 18:29.27 | MiroslavR | some-cowbell, you're right, it hasn't :/ |
| 18:29.28 | somiaj | MiroslavR: this is testing, it is a <moving target>. Are your packages it breaks custom packages you compiled against the older version? |
| 18:29.31 | petern_ | yolo_, "Home" in nautilus is a virtual thing that refers to your real home directory |
| 18:30.22 | some-cowbell | MiroslavR: there's probably nothing wrong with that, except you seem to be having a few problems |
| 18:30.22 | MiroslavR | nope, all packages related to boost should be official |
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| 18:31.17 | damarusama | I have a plotter that is connected trough serial port, how would I go about comunnicating with the plotter ? Sending files etc.? |
| 18:31.23 | damarusama | is minicom the tool for that? |
| 18:31.35 | Artemis3 | er |
| 18:31.37 | some-cowbell | babilen: parse error :) |
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| 18:32.20 | Artemis3 | damarusama, umm does that thing have a cups driver? i'm guessing you just specify port there... what you want to give commands directly or something? |
| 18:32.46 | somiaj | MiroslavR: well I would trace down what the conflict is and if it is a bug in jessie report it. If it has to do with software you have been complining against the old version you will need to rebuild it against these new versions |
| 18:32.53 | damarusama | yeah it's aplotter there is no cups driver |
| 18:33.11 | damarusama | it takes HPGL language input |
| 18:33.13 | some-cowbell | somiaj: parse error earlier :) babilen, sorry wrong nick |
| 18:33.17 | Artemis3 | its a proper plotter not a giant printer i suppose |
| 18:33.41 | somiaj | MiroslavR: now you can use snapshot.debian.org if you just want older version of the one lib that is newer, but you will no longer be running jessie and loose support and good bug reports. |
| 18:33.51 | damarusama | Artemis3: it's a giant plotter from Rolland |
| 18:33.57 | damarusama | DPX3500 |
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| 18:34.07 | damarusama | take only paralelle or serial |
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| 18:35.00 | damarusama | there are windows drivers but I'm on debian ;) and I read around that these plotter can take command directly from the serial port |
| 18:35.17 | damarusama | so just trying to get my hand dirty as I never used serial port stuff |
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| 18:36.15 | Artemis3 | its roland not rolland? |
| 18:36.32 | damarusama | yeah roland sorry |
| 18:36.50 | damarusama | it's the roland digital group - who makes all these plotters and other industrial machine |
| 18:37.05 | damarusama | division of Roland who make the music instruments |
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| 18:39.07 | yolo_ | debian is tedious can i also do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade in debian ? |
| 18:39.27 | some-cowbell | yes |
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| 18:40.09 | some-cowbell | the main situation where that works, is between one stable release and the very next stable release |
| 18:40.11 | damarusama | so I would need to use minicom to talk to the serial plotter? |
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| 18:41.03 | Artemis3 | damarusama, if you want to and the device has a console i suppose its a matter of matching the serial config |
| 18:41.14 | Artemis3 | speed settings etc |
| 18:41.28 | damarusama | yep the baud rate - parity etc... |
| 18:41.29 | some-cowbell | damarusama: to experiment with it, yes... you may need to define some sort of driver for it, at which point the driver would connect to the serial port connected to the plotter, and you won't need minicom to do that any more |
| 18:41.47 | damarusama | so I can't just cat > /dev/ttyS0 and input stuff there |
| 18:41.55 | some-cowbell | Artemis3: yes, and to set up the things like line speed, width, parity etc |
| 18:42.07 | OldParr_ | please when i boot windows grub shows the error: "error: no argument specified" grub.cfg ---> http://paste.debian.net/113173/ , is there any solution? |
| 18:42.12 | Artemis3 | serial ports can be configures as well to do cat stuff |
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| 18:42.27 | Artemis3 | now this is old school :) |
| 18:42.29 | some-cowbell | damarusama: I suppose you could do that |
| 18:42.35 | Artemis3 | brings memories |
| 18:42.37 | some-cowbell | very old school :) |
| 18:42.55 | some-cowbell | doesn't like debugging serial links that are like that |
| 18:43.10 | sheap | does ath9k come with wheezy iso? |
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| 18:43.18 | some-cowbell | probably |
| 18:43.48 | some-cowbell | where can you see the contents of the isos? |
| 18:43.55 | sheap | beats me |
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| 18:45.27 | sheap | apparently I need wireless-tools to have this thinkpenguin wifi usb work |
| 18:45.34 | sheap | but...catch-22 |
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| 18:45.51 | jhutchins | OldParr_: What release are you running? |
| 18:46.10 | some-cowbell | do you have a wired interface on your machine and a wired net to plug into? |
| 18:46.12 | OldParr_ | wheezy |
| 18:46.33 | linuxgirl | Hi, I'm looking for a good rolling release distro... Would using Debian sid be reasonably stable and have up to date packages? |
| 18:46.56 | some-cowbell | it's not exactly a rolling release, it's not timed release |
| 18:46.58 | jhutchins | linuxgirl: No. |
| 18:47.03 | dvs | linuxgirl: up to date? yes. Stable. no. |
| 18:47.06 | jhutchins | linuxgirl: Intended to not be stable. |
| 18:47.11 | jhutchins | !sid |
| 18:47.11 | dpkg | sid is, like, the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 18:47.17 | OldParr_ | jhutchins: wheezy |
| 18:47.26 | anomaly | I am using clamav for scans in general. any recommendations for a secondary scanner that is active? could see a file uploaded to say a wordpress or other client website and remove it? or maybe an hourly cron job of the /var/www dir? |
| 18:47.37 | linuxgirl | I can deal with manual fixing etc to some extent, |
| 18:47.45 | jhutchins | OldParr_: Can you boot with any other options? |
| 18:47.53 | jhutchins | OldParr_: Rescue mode or whatever? |
| 18:48.15 | jhutchins | OldParr_: Did you manually update grub.cfg? |
| 18:48.26 | some-cowbell | linuxgirl: there's probably nothing wrong with trying it out... and, it's not meeting your original parameters :) |
| 18:48.35 | Artemis3 | linuxgirl, i think you might want to look at solydxk or mint debian edition |
| 18:49.01 | linuxgirl | I don't have that much experience with debian unstable but I use debian stable on systems that I don't want to mess with like server roles and used kubuntu for personal use and sometimes arch. |
| 18:49.22 | some-cowbell | so you have some experience with linux |
| 18:49.34 | linuxgirl | Maybe a decade of experience |
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| 18:50.08 | linuxgirl | I kind of liked arch but do prefer debian based. |
| 18:50.11 | OldParr_ | jhutchins: i boot any o.s., the problem is a pause before windows "press any key to boot", yes i manually updated grub.cfg |
| 18:50.31 | Artemis3 | linuxgirl, but unstable breaks a lot and its stuff that package maintainers need to fix before you could do anything, some people use it (you are supposed to if you are testing your packages :) |
| 18:51.02 | some-cowbell | linuxgirl, so maybe you could deal with the stuff involved with not-stable debians, and, they bring their own journeys and adventures |
| 18:51.06 | jhutchins | OldParr_: wheezy uses grub2 with an automatic update system. If you can get booted into Debian, run update-grub and that should fix the menu. |
| 18:51.17 | sheap | ughhh why aren't wireless-tools included? seems silly not to if it's found in 'main' anyway.. |
| 18:51.22 | some-cowbell | linuxgirl, just so you know :) |
| 18:51.23 | jhutchins | OldParr_: To make changes, edit /etc/default/grub |
| 18:51.27 | candel | linuxgirl, let me suggest the affordable jessie: most of the fuzz from sid with some of the stability of wheezy |
| 18:51.31 | jhutchins | OldParr_: Then run update-grub to apply them. |
| 18:51.41 | Artemis3 | linuxgirl, unstable for end users, not recommended, might work today, might break tomorrow and you have to wait couple of days for a fix etc. |
| 18:51.43 | linuxgirl | I see. I've only used debian stable in the past but that is generally because they were for systems that I wanted to be rock solid |
| 18:52.08 | linuxgirl | candel: That's an option |
| 18:52.16 | some-cowbell | linuxgirl, it sounds like you're looking for some adventure? |
| 18:52.23 | jhutchins | !rolling release |
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| 18:52.26 | linuxgirl | Artemis3: Would that be "worse"than expected for archlinux |
| 18:52.33 | jhutchins | Hm, I thought we had one. |
| 18:52.35 | Artemis3 | linuxgirl, that said ubuntu does pull from unstable, but they do their own tests etc. |
| 18:52.39 | linuxgirl | some-cowbell: To a certain degree yes |
| 18:52.48 | dvs | !debian cut |
| 18:52.48 | dpkg | "Constantly Usable Testing" (CUT) is a proposal to make a rolling branch of Debian. See the proposal: http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ and the discussion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/09/msg00502.html . http://cut.debian.net/ |
| 18:53.00 | Artemis3 | whatever happened to cut... |
| 18:53.20 | jhutchins | Artemis3: Turned out not to be such a good idea after all. |
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| 18:53.31 | twobitsprite | Artemis3: I think LTS was a higher priority |
| 18:53.53 | TJ- | damarusama: Looking at the DPX-3500 WinNT driver, it looks like the plotter speaks Postscript. There is also a printer description file (RDGDPX3x.RPD). It might be possible to use a generic Postscript CUPS driver with a PPD derived from that RPD |
| 18:53.59 | Artemis3 | yes i suppose production needs stability and security updates for longer than the latest bleeding (need to be tested) stuff |
| 18:54.01 | linuxgirl | I do get it that the ultimate goal of the project is to come up with a new version of stable though and unstable and testing are just part of the stages for coming up with a new stable release |
| 18:54.49 | some-cowbell | linuxgirl, can you say more about what you're up for? |
| 18:55.15 | linuxgirl | some-cowbell: Maybe a debian based alternative to arch |
| 18:55.45 | linuxgirl | Also a platform with the latest libraries (even it its buggy) |
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| 18:56.06 | OldParr_ | jhutchins: rebooting |
| 18:56.10 | jhutchins | linuxgirl: There's ubuntu, there's mint. |
| 18:56.23 | Artemis3 | mint debian edition is rolling, also solydxk |
| 18:56.24 | some-cowbell | linuxgirl, libc (and similar) are particular challenges |
| 18:56.30 | T-Rog | wrong chan |
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| 18:56.32 | T-Rog | my monitor completely cuts off one whole character when in a full screen terminal or during the boot sequence |
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| 18:57.10 | linuxgirl | some-cowbell: Mint and Ubuntu aren't for me. Never tried solydxk. |
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| 18:57.33 | Artemis3 | basically same as mind debian with xfce or kde instead |
| 18:57.36 | Artemis3 | mint |
| 18:58.04 | Artemis3 | they forked tho |
| 18:58.15 | linuxgirl | Different repos? |
| 18:58.29 | Artemis3 | debian plus theirs |
| 18:58.31 | some-cowbell | linuxgirl, what did you dislike about mint and ubuntu? or if it's not dislike, what do you think make them not what you want? |
| 18:58.47 | Artemis3 | for the few in house packages |
| 18:58.50 | Artemis3 | like the installer |
| 18:59.12 | jmcnaught | This distro comparison stuff would be better suited in #debian-offtopic |
| 18:59.19 | linuxgirl | some-cowbell: Well ubuntu, unity isn't really my thing nor the policies of default amazon search etc. However I have used Kubuntu for a really long time |
| 18:59.42 | Resilience | mmm for wake-on-lan would be any difference in using the post-up and post-down options of iface in /etc/network/interfaces (like in https://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan) or using te /etc/network/post-upd and post-down.d directories with scripts in it? |
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| 19:00.00 | Artemis3 | linuxgirl, since you like kde, i'd say solydk would satisfy your needs. its debian based, rolling. |
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| 19:01.03 | linuxgirl | Artemis3: Does it usually have the latest stable kde? |
| 19:01.43 | Artemis3 | linuxgirl, iirc they have a "production stable" version, and a "home rolling" one, try them in a vm and decide |
| 19:02.38 | OldParr_ | jhutchins: update-grub worked fine but the problem is still there |
| 19:02.49 | linuxgirl | Are there people that run Sid for production use (and deal with the issues that come along)? |
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| 19:03.00 | Artemis3 | thats suicidal :3 |
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| 19:03.12 | Artemis3 | production uses stable |
| 19:03.13 | jhutchins | OldParr_: Ok, I don't understand what the problem is. |
| 19:03.23 | OldParr_ | thanks |
| 19:03.25 | Artemis3 | or should... |
| 19:03.47 | some-cowbell | linuxgirl, probably not... doing real work with sid is probably a bad idea |
| 19:04.18 | jhutchins | linuxgirl: I don't believe anybody does that in any real sense of "production". Some people run sid as their regular working desktop. |
| 19:04.27 | Artemis3 | for fun, experiments, doesn't matter machines go ahead and play with testing or unstable |
| 19:04.37 | some-cowbell | having said that, you could build your web stack yourself, and not ever have to worry about debian changing it upon some update |
| 19:05.02 | some-cowbell | and have any version you want |
| 19:05.40 | yolo_ | how is non-free enabled in apt sources ? |
| 19:05.58 | Artemis3 | you add non-free at the end :3 |
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| 19:06.11 | some-cowbell | add "contrib non-free" to some of the lines (at the end) |
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| 19:06.30 | some-cowbell | you need contrib to support some uses of non-free |
| 19:06.35 | OldParr_ | grub gives an error when you choose windows: "error no argument specified , press any key to continue" |
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| 19:08.08 | yolo_ | some-cowbell, elaborae |
| 19:08.23 | yolo_ | elaborate* what do you mean by contrib ? |
| 19:08.31 | linuxgirl | In general how problem free are debian updates between stable relases? |
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| 19:09.09 | some-cowbell | contrib has things that are dfsg-free and mostly things that some non-free stuff depends on |
| 19:09.20 | yolo_ | ok.... |
| 19:09.32 | some-cowbell | let's see if the silly bot knows more |
| 19:09.36 | some-cowbell | !contrib |
| 19:09.37 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ [wheezy|squeeze|jessie] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
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| 19:11.18 | yolo_ | ok |
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| 19:14.10 | zykotick9 | linuxgirl: there is a great deal of testing regarding upgrades from release to release, you shouldn't have any issues (or they will be explained in the release notes) |
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| 19:19.01 | some-cowbell | linuxgirl, so I'd be curious how things turn out and how you're enjoying your newer installations |
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| 19:19.15 | KaaK_ | is there an idiomatic place to store SSL key/certs on a debian host? |
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| 19:20.04 | OldParr_ | grub gives an error when you choose windows: "error no argument specified , press any key to continue" |
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| 19:20.53 | yolo_ | some-cowbell, i modified sources.list because i want to install my wifi firmware but now apt-get and aptitude says cannot read sources package/file ? |
| 19:22.00 | yolo_ | E: Couldn't read list of package sources |
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| 19:22.41 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell yolo_ -about bat |
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| 19:23.56 | jmcnaught | KaaK_: I usually store them in /etc/ssl/local, but if the certificate is only going to be used by one application you could also put it in that applications /etc. The important thing is to restrict access to the private key |
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| 19:26.59 | fishy_things | hi. i am unable to find "Theme" or something similar under System Settings on my new debian installation |
| 19:27.28 | some-cowbell | I'd say the theme isn't a system setting, but rather a user preference |
| 19:27.32 | fishy_things | also, i made sure that my ATI video card's drivers were correctly installed by following instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard |
| 19:27.42 | jmcnaught | fishy_things: if it's Gnome you're using, you can install the "gnome-tweak-tools" package which lets you select themes. |
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| 19:28.25 | fishy_things | jmcnaught: ah, so the "button" isn't there by default like Ubuntu/OpenSUSE/etc.? |
| 19:28.52 | jmcnaught | fishy_things: I don't know what "button" you mean. Are you using Gnome? |
| 19:29.39 | fishy_things | jmcnaught: yes, and i am following the new linux foundation course (i am a beginner :/) -- right now i am on the section where they describe how you can change desktop backgrounds or themes |
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| 19:30.06 | fishy_things | and i am unable to follow the theme section, as i can't seem to find a "Themes", or a "Preferences" 'button' |
| 19:30.46 | jmcnaught | fishy_things: changing background is under "system settings" in gnome, but for changing themese you need the "gnome-tweak-tool" (which is called "advanced settings" in the menus). |
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| 19:31.38 | fishy_things | jmcnaught: ahh |
| 19:32.30 | fishy_things | its interesting that the OpenSUSE instructions are more relevant to debian than the Ubuntu instructions |
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| 19:32.44 | plastic-houses | if du and df dont agree |
| 19:32.47 | plastic-houses | why is that? |
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| 19:33.24 | plastic-houses | I read a directory migh be monted under another or a proces might be holding open a file |
| 19:33.26 | jhutchins | fishy_things: Which is why we keep telling people Ubuntu is not Debian. |
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| 19:33.30 | deaf_and_alone | hello to everybody on this channel. I have a question. may I ask? |
| 19:33.42 | fishy_things | jhutchins: hehe, i get it now. |
| 19:33.44 | jhutchins | plastic-houses: They could be counting space differently too. |
| 19:33.45 | plastic-houses | would there be something else? perhaps snapshots or lvm? |
| 19:33.46 | Resilience | deaf_and_alone, ask |
| 19:34.12 | fishy_things | jhutchins: the course drones on for quite a bit about how "Ubuntu is downstream of Debian" though |
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| 19:34.45 | jmcnaught | fishy_things: that just means that they started with Debian before making a whole bunch of "improvements" which make it pretty different in the end |
| 19:34.50 | Resilience | for wake-on-lan would be any difference in using the post-up and post-down options of iface in /etc/network/interfaces (like in https://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan) or using te /etc/network/post-upd and post-down.d directories with scripts in it? |
| 19:34.57 | some-cowbell | deaf_and_alone, preference is for you to just go ahead and ask (thanks for being polite about it) |
| 19:34.59 | jhutchins | fishy_things: Which is sortof is, but it drifts farther and farther from Debian as time goes on. |
| 19:35.17 | deaf_and_alone | I use solydk with my laptop. there is no "kadu" program on their repository. how can I get kadu 0.12.3? |
| 19:35.38 | Artemis3 | well a fork is a fork, you are supposed to use the support of the forked distro :) |
| 19:35.59 | jmcnaught | deaf_and_alone: solydk isn't supported in #debian, it has its own channel i believe |
| 19:36.09 | fishy_things | jmcnaught, jhutchins: i see, i see -- well, i am having a nicer time on Debian right now, simply because there is less "cruft" compared to when i installed ubuntu -- just so much stuff with the ubuntu installation that i never installed |
| 19:36.12 | jhutchins | deaf_and_alone: You can always find the project's home page, download the source, and build your own. |
| 19:36.27 | deaf_and_alone | but it's debian based |
| 19:36.29 | jhutchins | deaf_and_alone: sourceforge hosts a lot of project homepages. |
| 19:36.43 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell deaf_and_alone -about solydk |
| 19:36.45 | Artemis3 | so many forks from debian |
| 19:36.48 | jhutchins | deaf_and_alone: You are carbon based. Can you help me fix my carbon arc lamp? |
| 19:36.54 | Artemis3 | lol |
| 19:37.15 | plastic-houses | replace all red light with non blocking i/o aka a 1 lane rotary |
| 19:37.20 | plastic-houses | aka a roundabou |
| 19:37.34 | Artemis3 | deaf_and_alone, http://forums.solydxk.com/ |
| 19:37.40 | addaitech | you missed a few letters there |
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| 19:38.14 | damarusama | is there a way to 'ping' a device connected to /dev/ttyS0 ?? |
| 19:38.28 | damarusama | (really nood when it comes to serial port communication) |
| 19:38.35 | Artemis3 | ah hahaha ping just send cr |
| 19:38.43 | deaf_and_alone | thanks |
| 19:39.12 | jmcnaught | damarusama: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO.html maybe this will help you? |
| 19:39.17 | some-cowbell | deaf_and_alone, solydxk made their own changes, which many people here don't follow and keep up with... so it may be that answers you do get might not be useful to you, or even correct |
| 19:39.35 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, i followed instructions from this site https://wiki.debian.org/wl#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22 |
| 19:39.36 | Artemis3 | i don't know if they have a chat tho |
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| 19:39.46 | yolo_ | http://paste.debian.net/113195/ |
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| 19:40.32 | damarusama | jmcnaught: yeah was actually reading that page |
| 19:40.49 | plastic-houses | what are the main differences between ubuntu and debian? |
| 19:41.02 | yolo_ | ubuntu for beginners |
| 19:41.06 | jhutchins | plastic-houses: How would we know? |
| 19:41.38 | yolo_ | debian for people that thrills for challenge and excess headache |
| 19:41.48 | some-cowbell | plastic-houses, probably their goals and policies |
| 19:41.48 | jhutchins | plastic-houses: They apply different patches, they bundle different things together and install different packages by default, they use different graphics and themes and different default configurations. |
| 19:41.50 | jmcnaught | yolo_: instead of adding line 18 in your paste you could have simply added "contrib non-free" do the end of line 9 (note that these line numbers don't correspond to the file itself because it looks like you copy/pasted from nano inside a terminal) |
| 19:41.55 | TJ- | damarusama: do you know what baud rate the plotter requires? |
| 19:42.03 | damarusama | 960 |
| 19:42.09 | fishy_things | jhutchins, jmcnaught : what do you guys think of the Linux Foundation? |
| 19:42.19 | damarusama | databits 8 stopbit 1 parity none handshare hardware ;) |
| 19:42.20 | jmcnaught | yolo_: what about a paste with the command you tried and the output? |
| 19:42.26 | jmcnaught | dpkg: tell yolo_ -about pastebinit |
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| 19:42.30 | jhutchins | fishy_things: Generally I don't think about it. |
| 19:42.31 | damarusama | TJ-: from the plotter settings |
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| 19:42.41 | some-cowbell | if you have sources on separate lines, it affects how some downloads proceed |
| 19:42.57 | jhutchins | fishy_things: What's your goal? |
| 19:42.57 | jmcnaught | fishy_things: you could ask in #debian-offtopic if you wanted, we try to keep it limited to support here so it's easier to follow discussions :) |
| 19:43.00 | plastic-houses | how do I restart networking in debian? |
| 19:43.15 | damarusama | /etc/init.d/networkd restart |
| 19:43.16 | fishy_things | jmcnaught: ah, got it! |
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| 19:43.21 | plastic-houses | if I am sshed into a machine and I restart networkign will ssh drop? |
| 19:43.30 | damarusama | hehehe |
| 19:43.43 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, output http://paste.debian.net/113197/ |
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| 19:43.48 | jhutchins | plastic-houses: sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. |
| 19:43.48 | some-cowbell | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.00 | plastic-houses | doh |
| 19:44.26 | TJ- | damarusama: "stty -F /dev/ttyS0 9600 -ixon -xoff -parenb -cstopb" then try sending something to the plotter |
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| 19:44.38 | jhutchins | plastic-houses: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 19:44.52 | plastic-houses | debian seems very nice, I prefer a project not driven by crony vendor bs |
| 19:45.01 | damarusama | TJ-: I get a input output error - I am also in su |
| 19:45.02 | jmcnaught | yolo_: ahh!! that's telling you the character "\" on line #1 in your sources.list file shouldn't be there.. it's probably a typo that you need to remove |
| 19:45.16 | plastic-houses | I was jsut wodnering if say I setup some stuff ona remote machine if I am guna need ilom if it fails |
| 19:45.23 | TJ- | damarusama: I/O error for the stty ? |
| 19:45.24 | plastic-houses | or ilo |
| 19:45.24 | yolo_ | i checked there wasn't any typo |
| 19:45.32 | some-cowbell | ilom? |
| 19:45.46 | plastic-houses | debian is quite a bit different from centos/deadrat |
| 19:45.51 | yolo_ | ohh ok |
| 19:45.51 | yolo_ | i see |
| 19:45.52 | damarusama | TJ-: yep |
| 19:46.06 | damarusama | stty: /dev/ttyS0: Input/output error |
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| 19:46.22 | damarusama | stty: /dev/ttyS4: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 19:46.31 | damarusama | trying a different ttyS |
| 19:46.36 | TJ- | damarusama: What serial ports does the PC have, and which one is the plotter connected to? |
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| 19:46.57 | some-cowbell | maybe it's ttyS2 or 3 |
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| 19:47.16 | some-cowbell | if you have those real legacy serial ports |
| 19:47.18 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, thanks |
| 19:47.18 | damarusama | tried them all (ttyS2 or 3 I/o error) |
| 19:47.29 | jmcnaught | yolo_: you're welcome :) |
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| 19:47.47 | some-cowbell | maybe see what ports you have then |
| 19:47.51 | damarusama | TJ-: I am not sure what you mean - it's a small serial to a big serial port ;( |
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| 19:48.02 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, guess i havn't checked is there was a \ or not when i opened sources.list |
| 19:48.08 | damarusama | I |
| 19:48.14 | some-cowbell | maybe in your bios, maybe what dmesg tells you the kernel detects |
| 19:48.17 | damarusama | ll reboot the machine and check the bios to make sure it's |
| 19:48.19 | damarusama | irght |
| 19:48.25 | TJ- | damarusama: OK |
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| 19:50.05 | TJ- | damarusama: it sounds as if your PC has a DB-9 (pin) serial port, connected to a DB-25 (pin) socket on the printer? The first question is, is the cable a null-modem cable or regular serial (null-modem cable swaps the Rx and Tx connections) |
| 19:50.40 | TJ- | damarusama: It needs to be a regular cable, to connect the DTE (your PC) to the DCE (the plotter) |
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| 19:51.16 | dbn231 | i'm setting up my network and can ping the router but not any external website. anyone know what that might mean? |
| 19:51.36 | damarusama | TJ-: I'm actually using a converter connecting to a rj45 cable |
| 19:52.06 | yolo_ | ahaha! wifi works! |
| 19:52.16 | yolo_ | thanks again , jmcnaught |
| 19:52.31 | damarusama | TJ-: serial in the bios was off ;( now when inputing your tty command |
| 19:52.36 | yolo_ | damnit! i know i was close but something wasn't right! |
| 19:52.41 | damarusama | stty: invalid argument `-xoff' |
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| 19:53.27 | damarusama | ok I don't get error now when sending stuff to the /dev/ttyS0 |
| 19:53.36 | TJ- | damarusama: oops, typo! "stty -F /dev/ttyS0 9600 -ixon -ixoff -parenb -cstopb" then try sending something to the plotter |
| 19:54.03 | TJ- | damarusama: I have to go make dinner now, but assuming you can get communications here's a simple Postscript program you can send to it to test: |
| 19:54.28 | TJ- | damarusama: "echo -e "%!PS\r/inch {72 mul} def\r/Times-Roman findfont 50 scalefont setfont\r2.5 inch 5 inch moveto\r(Hello World!) show\rshowpage\r" >/dev/ttyS0 " |
| 19:55.02 | damarusama | thanks will try |
| 19:55.06 | damarusama | thanks for all the help |
| 19:55.08 | jhutchins | TJ-: If it's a plotter it's probably not gonna be expecting postscript, more likely coordinates. |
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| 19:55.44 | damarusama | it talks in HPGL |
| 19:55.51 | damarusama | a really simple GL |
| 19:56.10 | damarusama | IN;SP1;PU10,10;PD1000,1000; |
| 19:56.12 | some-cowbell | and you know that protocol? |
| 19:56.13 | damarusama | for instance |
| 19:56.19 | some-cowbell | evidently :) |
| 19:56.24 | damarusama | I downloaded the manual for that language |
| 19:56.27 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, i noticed two terminals cannot be opened in debian |
| 19:56.37 | damarusama | but I can't tell that I know what I doing |
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| 19:56.59 | dondelelcaro | HPGL is pretty bog standard |
| 19:57.10 | jhutchins | damarusama: What model is it? |
| 19:57.11 | some-cowbell | sounds good... I wasn't sure you could do anything with it when this conversation started; good to know you have something to do |
| 19:57.23 | dondelelcaro | damarusama: there should be some interogatories for the plotter to get it to tell you things about itself. |
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| 19:57.27 | damarusama | DPX-3500 Roland |
| 19:57.32 | jhutchins | damarusama: http://www.securetech-ns.ca/camm-linux.html |
| 19:57.33 | junka | how do i get language support? |
| 19:57.56 | some-cowbell | junka, could you say more about what you mean by that? |
| 19:59.00 | damarusama | dondelelcaro: so I should be able to send a cmd to the plotter and get some data back ? |
| 19:59.08 | junka | some-cowbell: hmm when i had ubuntu there was a setting for language support where it downloaded packages for my locale |
| 19:59.33 | jhutchins | damarusama: http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/vinyl-cutting-on-linux-the-real-deal |
| 19:59.36 | damarusama | jhutchins: wow thanks |
| 19:59.49 | damarusama | for the other link too |
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| 20:00.20 | junka | and when i had fedora i used this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Language_Support_Using_Yum |
| 20:00.21 | some-cowbell | so for example you'd like to get localizations for different languages? |
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| 20:00.37 | junka | yes |
| 20:00.48 | jmcnaught | yolo_: do you mean terminal emulators (gnome terminal, xterm for example) or virtual consoles (ttys that you access by ctrl+alt+f1 etc)? |
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| 20:01.28 | some-cowbell | I believe it's still the case that the various localizations are in packages, which you'd get. what's one language you'd like now? |
| 20:01.49 | junka | el_GR |
| 20:02.08 | some-cowbell | try this: apt-cache search el_GR |
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| 20:02.25 | some-cowbell | see if something comes up in the way of a package you could apt-get |
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| 20:03.09 | junka | one package some-cowbell |
| 20:03.20 | junka | myspell-el-gr |
| 20:03.24 | GoozeyX | This may seem like a very odd question, but ive had a clusterfu$! of a day today having to rebuild my workstation at work, luckily i had backups, does anyone know or has come across a situation where you are setting your http_proxys into an empty /etc/environment file, and for some odd reason after every reboot the actual variables are being deleted whereas the http_proxy= remains in there? |
| 20:03.44 | cameron54545 | hello everyone, i am new to debian and trying to install my graphics driver -- would someone be able to help? |
| 20:03.55 | some-cowbell | junka, hmm. that doesn't seem like what you want |
| 20:04.06 | jhutchins | cameron54545: What chipset? |
| 20:04.31 | cameron54545 | amd64 |
| 20:04.38 | jhutchins | cameron54545: Can we assume you're not trying to install Debian's default driver? |
| 20:04.40 | dondelelcaro | damarusama: actually, just checking, I don't think HPGL has any response |
| 20:04.59 | jhutchins | cameron54545: I mean graphics chipset. amd64 is usually called the "architecture". |
| 20:05.00 | cameron54545 | No im trying to install a driver for my nvidia gtx 570 |
| 20:05.05 | dondelelcaro | damarusama: but you should be able to issue PU commands to move the pen around |
| 20:05.07 | jhutchins | !nvidia |
| 20:05.07 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:05.25 | damarusama | dondelelcaro: yeah I'm trying to do the PU to see if the pens comes up |
| 20:05.26 | damarusama | ;) |
| 20:05.35 | junka | some-cowbell: sure it's one of the desired packages but i thought there were gonna be more |
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| 20:06.09 | jmcnaught | junka: check out https://wiki.debian.org/Locale and you also might want to run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 20:06.11 | dondelelcaro | damarusama: some of the roland plotters apparently also have an auto mode, so as long as you're talking less than 9600 baud, you should be OK too |
| 20:06.42 | dondelelcaro | damarusama: http://support.rolanddga.com/Docs/Documents/departments/Technical%20Services/Manuals%20and%20Guides/UMDXY1350a.pdf has some stuff, but it's for the wrong plotter of course |
| 20:06.42 | cameron54545 | the chipset is GeForce 500 series |
| 20:06.44 | cameron54545 | I believe |
| 20:07.44 | plastic-houses | how does debian view archlinux |
| 20:07.58 | damarusama | yeah there is an automode |
| 20:08.05 | damarusama | but it says it fails... |
| 20:08.06 | jhutchins | !arch |
| 20:08.07 | dpkg | i guess arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Since lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
| 20:08.07 | junka | jmcnaught: thanks i'll look into it |
| 20:08.13 | damarusama | maybe because I didn't send data on time? |
| 20:08.14 | mtn | plastic-houses: from a distance |
| 20:08.45 | jmcnaught | plastic-houses: you can ask questions comparing distros in #debian-offtopic. we try to keep it support only in here so the actual support questions don't get lost in the chats :) |
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| 20:10.17 | damarusama | TJ-: I found a Serial RS-232 calbe would that work? |
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| 20:11.22 | jhutchins | damarusama: It depends on how the plotter's set up. |
| 20:11.47 | jhutchins | damarusama: There are TX and RX pairs, TX on one system needs to go to RX on the other. |
| 20:12.16 | jhutchins | damarusama: Some plotters are set up to expect a PC on the other end of the cable, others are set up to be connected to a modem (or modem like device). |
| 20:12.18 | damarusama | ._. |
| 20:12.21 | junka | jmcnaught: should i prefer el_GR-ISO or el_GR-UTF8 |
| 20:12.34 | damarusama | well well well |
| 20:12.47 | jmcnaught | junka: i prefer using UTF8 |
| 20:12.51 | jhutchins | damarusama: You can check the manual (and hope they don't just say "use the official Roland magic cable"). |
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| 20:13.14 | damarusama | jhutchins: yeah I couldn't find the manual in pdf or even buy an old version |
| 20:13.19 | damarusama | that's a main drawback for me |
| 20:13.30 | jhutchins | damarusama: Not even on the roland site? |
| 20:13.37 | damarusama | yeah I contacted them |
| 20:13.43 | cameron54545 | ok the guide im looking for to install my nvidia driver uses wheezy-backport + aptitude, should i just download and install the actual package provided by nvidia? |
| 20:13.45 | damarusama | they don't offer support anymore for that model |
| 20:13.55 | damarusama | nor pdf of the manual |
| 20:14.00 | damarusama | was pretty clear |
| 20:14.03 | damarusama | and rude ; |
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| 20:14.31 | damarusama | would using a paralelle cable make life simpler? |
| 20:14.44 | jhutchins | damarusama: Does it have a parallel port? |
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| 20:14.57 | GoozeyX | Is anyone aware of a bug or some mechanism by which variables set in /etc/environment in Debian Jessie are being overwritten on a reboot? |
| 20:15.30 | damarusama | jhutchins: yep |
| 20:15.33 | jhutchins | damarusama: 'cause yeah, there's only one pinout for that. |
| 20:15.44 | jhutchins | damarusama: It's probably faster too. |
| 20:15.46 | damarusama | ok that might make life simpler |
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| 20:15.59 | damarusama | there seems to be less setup too than serial |
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| 20:16.55 | cameron54545 | would someone be willing to help me? |
| 20:17.05 | rim-k | cameron54545: how can we help? |
| 20:17.14 | rim-k | cameron54545: don't ask to ask :) |
| 20:17.27 | cameron54545 | i have tried a few times to install my nvidia driver and i cant do it |
| 20:17.52 | cusco | cameron54545: seen what dpkg says about it? |
| 20:17.53 | petern_ | cameron54545, https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 20:18.00 | cusco | cameron54545: on what part did you errored out? |
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| 20:18.10 | cameron54545 | i have to exit x-org and then when i installed it, i selected a wrong option and my screen went black |
| 20:18.30 | cusco | how did you try to install it? |
| 20:18.40 | cusco | read petern_'s link |
| 20:18.44 | ioudas | looks |
| 20:18.46 | cameron54545 | the first time i downloaded the package and installed it with the terminal |
| 20:18.52 | ioudas | hey i know cusco |
| 20:18.56 | ioudas | :-P |
| 20:19.02 | petern_ | cameron54545, "the package" ? |
| 20:19.25 | cameron54545 | the file containing the driver |
| 20:19.28 | cameron54545 | is that not a package? |
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| 20:19.43 | petern_ | no... |
| 20:19.51 | cusco | ioudas: hello |
| 20:19.55 | rim-k | I guess you're referring to the source |
| 20:19.58 | rim-k | not the package |
| 20:20.05 | petern_ | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_304.117 |
| 20:20.06 | ioudas | heyya ;-) |
| 20:20.07 | petern_ | ^ is what you want |
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| 20:21.43 | junka | well that did not install any packages |
| 20:21.46 | cameron54545 | it says backports are unstable |
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| 20:22.04 | petern_ | cameron54545, you don't need backports |
| 20:22.19 | cusco | ioudas: I was trying to remember where I known your nick from.. got it |
| 20:22.27 | ioudas | #samba ;-P |
| 20:22.48 | cameron54545 | the guide you gave me uses wheezy-backports for installation |
| 20:22.58 | cusco | indeed |
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| 20:23.02 | petern_ | cameron54545, read the whole thing |
| 20:23.04 | cusco | the know-it-all-ioudas |
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| 20:23.11 | petern_ | cameron54545, skip the section about wheezy-backports |
| 20:23.14 | ioudas | lol |
| 20:24.54 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, i'm implying the default terminal that one types their commands in |
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| 20:27.02 | jmcnaught | yolo_: the terminal in a window in your GUI, or the one that you use "ctrl+alt+f1" to get to? |
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| 20:28.42 | cameron54545 | i try using the nvidia-detect script |
| 20:28.53 | cameron54545 | i dont seem to have it, |
| 20:29.03 | cameron54545 | life is tough. |
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| 20:29.18 | petern_ | cameron54545, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to ensure you have contrib and non-free enabled, if not add them and run apt-get update |
| 20:29.29 | petern_ | cameron54545, then run aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 20:29.53 | jmcnaught | yolo_: I for one can open as many gnome terminal windows as I want so I don't understand your problem but maybe someone else will :) |
| 20:30.29 | petern_ | cameron54545, that is precisely the instructions on that wiki page in the version 304.117 section i linked |
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| 20:34.11 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, i have installed virtualenv but when creating an environment i get ImportError: No module named virtualenv |
| 20:34.47 | cameron54545 | ok i found the part of the tutorial and im on the sources.list opened with mousepad text editor |
| 20:35.01 | cameron54545 | do i just copy and paste # Debian 7 "Wheezy" |
| 20:35.02 | cameron54545 | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free into the file? |
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| 20:35.47 | somiaj | you don't want the # sign in front of it |
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| 20:37.13 | jmcnaught | yolo_: oh you mean python-virtualenv? have you checked out "virtualenvwrapper" ? it's a bunch of virtualenv helpers for bash, quite nice. You need to reload bash (load another terminal or just "source ~/.bashrc") after installing it. For your error you might need to use a paste again :) |
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| 20:38.15 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, i know of the wrapper. but i have venv on xubuntu and has caused me no problem without the wrapper |
| 20:38.32 | cameron54545 | Ok this is what my sources.list file looks like now .. http://freetexthost.com/tc354xzd06 |
| 20:39.03 | yolo_ | but on debian it seems that the path is there for venv but cannot import it |
| 20:39.12 | jmcnaught | yolo_: okay i recommend using a paste link to show us the entire context of what you're trying to do. #python might also have a better idea |
| 20:39.18 | yolo_ | ok |
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| 20:39.27 | somiaj | cameron54545: oh whoops, yes you do want the # sign in front of the line with Debian 7 "Wheezy" on it, and you should also comment out (put a number sign) on the deb cdrom line |
| 20:39.58 | crowbar | I just upgraded to wheezy and trying to install python-pip attempts to pull in python2.6 even though python2.7 is installed. any way to prevent python2.6 from being installed? |
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| 20:40.47 | cameron54545 | do these comments work like in programming? |
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| 20:40.52 | TJ- | damarusama: Apparently, the DPX-3500 can emulate HP-GL as well as using native DXY-GL, which is documented here: http://support.rolanddga.com/Docs/Documents/departments/Technical%20Services/Manuals%20and%20Guides/UMDXY1350a.pdf |
| 20:41.23 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, http://paste.debian.net/113210/ |
| 20:41.55 | cameron54545 | and does it matter if there is a space between my comment and text |
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| 20:42.43 | jmcnaught | yolo_: how did you install virtualenv, with the "python-virtualenv" package? |
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| 20:43.38 | yolo_ | yea i did aptitude install python-virtualenv |
| 20:44.10 | somiaj | cameron54545: lines with a # sign in front of them are iggnored |
| 20:44.19 | GoozeyX | Since nobody knows of a bug that removes the http_proxy variables from /etc/environment , can anyone think of something/some component of the Desktop Environment( XFCE4 ) that resets the http_proxy variable and thus clears it from /etc/environment? |
| 20:44.28 | GoozeyX | Because at this point its either the Desktop Environment or some rc script |
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| 20:44.39 | cameron54545 | so why is everything in my sources.list ignored? |
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| 20:45.12 | yolo_ | cameron54545, check for typos |
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| 20:47.19 | cameron54545 | http://freetexthost.com/yrw4xxt21l |
| 20:47.23 | cameron54545 | thats what it looks like now |
| 20:47.24 | kushal3 | Got an error... W: Failed to fetch http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/testing-backports/iceweasel-aurora/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.148.14 80] |
| 20:48.02 | vook | cameron54545: everything is commented |
| 20:49.32 | vook | kushal3: have you run 'aptitude update' lately? |
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| 20:50.23 | cameron54545 | i dont know why i am supposed to comment/exclude everything in my sources.list, |
| 20:50.49 | cameron54545 | why not just delete the sources.list file? |
| 20:50.56 | vook | cameron54545: you aren't. Uncomment what you need to have active. |
| 20:51.05 | cameron54545 | oh |
| 20:51.28 | vook | it looks like the repo's failed to verify during the install though. |
| 20:51.35 | jmcnaught | yolo_: hey i just tried installing the python-virtualenv package in a fresh Wheezy container and it works for me. It looks like the virtualenv module is not in your PYTHONPATH.. maybe you've got something else in your .bashrc for example that has messed up the default PYTHONPATH |
| 20:52.00 | cameron54545 | so just the deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free is uncommented correct? |
| 20:52.46 | vook | cameron54545: really the 3rd and 5th lines that begin with deb. The CD's can remain commented, and deb-src can |
| 20:53.20 | vook | (deb security.debian.org and deb http.debian.org) |
| 20:53.54 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, it might have been that i makeinstalled pyton 2.7.8 |
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| 20:54.27 | jmcnaught | yolo_: that sounds like it would be related. why on earth would you do such a thing? stick to the debian packages! |
| 20:55.00 | vook | cameron54545: basically you want at least this : http://paste.debian.net/113216/ |
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| 20:55.34 | yolo_ | :| |
| 20:55.43 | yolo_ | is it broken ? |
| 20:56.06 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, it can be fixed right ? |
| 20:56.37 | cameron54545 | i am assuming that i have to edit the file in a cat because the gui wont let me write to under user permissions |
| 20:56.45 | cameron54545 | i tried to change the permissions via gui but it wont let me |
| 20:56.51 | jmcnaught | yolo_: it depends on where you installed python to when you did "make install". if it were me I'd consult the INSTALL and README files that came with the python source tarball to see how to remove it. If it was installed in /usr/local you can probably recover. If it overwrote files in /usr/bin and /usr/lib it's a different story |
| 20:57.41 | jmcnaught | yolo_: the python source tarball ought to have removal instructions. the "cruft" package will probably come in handy too (but it has false positives so take its results with a grain of salt) |
| 20:57.54 | vook | cameron54545: you can use vi or nano - cat is fine too. |
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| 21:11.10 | Roland- | Hello can you please suggest me some straingforward benchmark tool ? cpu + disk something. no gui |
| 21:12.06 | ambuss | Roland-: http://serverbear.com/ |
| 21:12.22 | cameron54545 | does cat not edit files? |
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| 21:12.41 | ambuss | cameron54545: You can append to a file or create a new one/overwrite with cat. |
| 21:13.13 | cameron54545 | oh ok |
| 21:14.56 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, my python is broken :( |
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| 21:15.40 | jmcnaught | yolo_: the moral to today's story is "don't install stuff from source, especially if packages are available." |
| 21:15.59 | cameron54545 | why is that?^ |
| 21:16.28 | ThreeOClock | Because if it were easy and without danger, packages wouldn't exist. :P |
| 21:16.30 | jmcnaught | yolo_: read through all the INSTALL/README/docs that came with the python tarball you installed from, look for uninstall instructions |
| 21:16.51 | cameron54545 | ah :p |
| 21:17.36 | jmcnaught | cameron54545: well obviously you can install from source, but you should know what you're doing and understand potential consequences first, and how to fix problems that will arise (like how to remove). A lot of work goes into Debian packages to make sure they're high quality and work well, why assume you'll know better than the package maintainers? |
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| 21:19.16 | ThreeOClock | You'd think such an elementary problem would have been solved in over 44 years of *nix, but noooooope. |
| 21:19.19 | cameron54545 | its hard for me to understand the consequences when i dont understand the composition of linux or any of its distros but i get the notion thanks |
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| 21:23.20 | DanDare | ThreeOClock, because its not a elementary problem? I mean, in normal circumstances, one should use the packages. Compiling for developers, learning people etc |
| 21:24.08 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, where is the sys.path located ? |
| 21:24.14 | DanDare | cameron54545, best way is to really experiment the consequences. So setup some testing box (maybe a VM), and start doing nasty stuff |
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| 21:24.40 | ThreeOClock | I'd consider the development, distribution, upgrade, and clean removal of software an elementary aspect of any system. *shrug* |
| 21:25.00 | centrx | Isn't the solution packages? |
| 21:25.07 | centrx | And apt has solved it admirably? |
| 21:25.18 | ThreeOClock | Well yes, but packages are just glorified tar.gz files. |
| 21:25.26 | DanDare | Yeah, its elementary. But development is not magic. I mean, developer will need to deal problems, in any platform/OS |
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| 21:26.07 | ThreeOClock | I think plan 9's union directories/namespaces could prove a novel solution there: the package is never 'unpacked', it just becomes merged with the rest of the filesystem... To remove the package, just delete it. |
| 21:26.27 | DanDare | for the upgrade part, end users got 'apt-upgrade'. So thats not a problem :) |
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| 21:26.33 | jmcnaught | yolo_: in a python interpreter you can "import sys" then "print sys.path". I think what's happening in your case is that from bash when you run python it's finding the copy in /usr/local/bin first ("echo $PATH" from bash to see the order it's in) |
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| 21:26.52 | fishy_things | what is the difference between "halting" and "powering off"? |
| 21:27.08 | yolo_ | halt stops the cpu |
| 21:27.17 | fishy_things | yolo_: and powering off does not do that? |
| 21:27.18 | yolo_ | puts just the cpu in sleep mode |
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| 21:27.25 | fishy_things | yolo_: ohhh. |
| 21:27.29 | yolo_ | power off shuts the cpu down |
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| 21:27.34 | yolo_ | and the computer |
| 21:27.38 | yolo_ | the whole system |
| 21:27.42 | fishy_things | yolo_: so shutdown -h is "sleep", and shutdown is "turn off power" |
| 21:28.00 | yolo_ | yea |
| 21:28.03 | yolo_ | try |
| 21:28.16 | yolo_ | hmm.. |
| 21:28.16 | DanDare | fishy_things, halting= you shut off system in a nice manner, let the system to prepare files to shut off, do needind shutting off tasks etc. power off= you abruptly shut off the computer, may end with something broken |
| 21:28.33 | centrx | fishy_things, halt calls poweroff |
| 21:28.34 | yolo_ | fishy_things, try it |
| 21:28.53 | fishy_things | DanDare: so...halting is not "sleep", rather it is a "prepared power-off" |
| 21:29.23 | yolo_ | ohh fishy you were referring to OS :| |
| 21:29.33 | DanDare | But oh. Im not sure... X window managers presents options "halt" or "power off"? If so... must be something else and not what I said |
| 21:29.34 | heurist | fishy_things: halt is shutdown OS, poweroff is shutdown OS then poweroff. |
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| 21:29.40 | yolo_ | i was referring to halt in cpu |
| 21:29.56 | centrx | fishy_things, the halt command has always shut down the entire system (poweroff) for me |
| 21:30.03 | fishy_things | got it |
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| 21:30.07 | yolo_ | fishy_things, the best way figure it out is to try |
| 21:30.34 | heurist | fishy_things: they both do the same thing with most atx systems |
| 21:30.39 | DanDare | like 'reboot -f', thats doesn't looks good |
| 21:30.58 | centrx | fishy_things, That means either "halt" is calling the same functionality as "poweroff", or that it depends on different CPU architectures have different poweroff procedures |
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| 21:31.07 | centrx | CPU archs/systems in general |
| 21:31.20 | fishy_things | centrx: i am not referring to the "halt" command, rather "shudown -h" versus "shutdown" |
| 21:31.42 | fishy_things | centrx: from what google told me, "halt" is simply an 'alias' for "shutdown -h" |
| 21:31.44 | DanDare | so you guys are calling 'power-off' as 'ACPI power off', right ? |
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| 21:32.06 | DanDare | if so.. its same as halt in the end (I guess) |
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| 21:32.42 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, there is nothing in my usr/local/bin :| |
| 21:32.42 | centrx | fishy_things, right, that's what I mean |
| 21:32.54 | irinix | hey is there a netinstall package that supports wifi out of the box? I'm currently on a win8 machine, so please if you link a tutorial make sure it's windows compat. |
| 21:33.02 | jmcnaught | yolo_: where did you "make install" python 2.7.8 to then? |
| 21:33.07 | irinix | wireless card RTL8179 |
| 21:33.18 | centrx | irinix, netintsall does support wifi out of the box, it just depends on your network card yes |
| 21:33.35 | irinix | centrx, is the 8179 supported? |
| 21:33.47 | irinix | or do I need to grab a package for it? |
| 21:33.49 | DanDare | irinix, but you will need to prepare some media with wifi firmwares, most probably |
| 21:34.17 | DanDare | irinix, if your device driver is under 'non-free' packages, you will need to load them manually at install |
| 21:34.18 | irinix | I'm just going to drop it in the root of the USB installer is that okay? |
| 21:34.18 | mtn | irinix: or use this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 21:34.18 | cameron54545 | is there a program that i can just edit text files with? i can only append files with cat |
| 21:34.33 | centrx | cameron54545, nano is the command basic one |
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| 21:34.38 | irinix | cameron54545, nano -w <filename> |
| 21:34.38 | centrx | *common |
| 21:35.09 | irinix | vi filename |
| 21:35.11 | irinix | emacs filename |
| 21:35.12 | DanDare | irinix, you can extract the firmware drivers onto a USB stick or something, installer will tell you theres a missing firmware and present a option to load them from some media |
| 21:35.39 | irinix | I started running the installer already, and it never gave me the missing firmware warning. |
| 21:35.57 | irinix | started a shell and the wifi card popped on LSPCI as a RTL8179 |
| 21:36.05 | Neirdan | If I have to do some daily backup of a directory on the same server, say /var/www, does a cron.daily tar-gz do the job? |
| 21:36.18 | mtn | irinix: if the installer finds your network, then you don't need firmware ;) |
| 21:36.18 | DanDare | irinix, so my siggestion is know what chipset is your adapter, download the package and extract the firmware files to that media. (im not sure if installer will accept pure .deb package for this task) |
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| 21:36.48 | irinix | mtn, it doesn't see the wifi, tries to get network info from eth0 |
| 21:36.49 | cameron54545 | do i need to save in gnu nano? |
| 21:37.03 | damarusama | hum using stty -a -F /dev/ttyS0 |
| 21:37.05 | irinix | cameron54545, on ctrl+x it will ask if you want to save. |
| 21:37.15 | mtn | irinix: then use the installer I mentioned and it will be easy, most likely |
| 21:37.15 | damarusama | I do get some output... which seems to mean that something is alive ;( |
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| 21:37.26 | irinix | mtn downloading now |
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| 21:37.59 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, i followed this same instructions https://gist.github.com/whop/2659457 |
| 21:38.12 | cameron54545 | nano is much better than cat lol :p |
| 21:38.26 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, until line 10 that's it |
| 21:38.26 | DanDare | irinix, it can detect the chipset, USB hub listen it but still not guarantee that it have the necessary firmwares |
| 21:38.38 | DanDare | *reads |
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| 21:39.07 | DanDare | well, USB or whatever 'hub' is behind it :p |
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| 21:41.59 | cameron54545 | ok back to installing my nvidia driver, im at the part of updating the list of available packages |
| 21:42.13 | cameron54545 | do i need to be in a certian location of my file system or just execute in terminal regardless? |
| 21:42.23 | cameron54545 | the aptitude update + aptitude -r install |
| 21:42.45 | centrx | cameron54545, apt-get and aptitude install commands you can run anywhere |
| 21:43.05 | heurist | cameron54545: but as root of course |
| 21:43.20 | cameron54545 | how does it know where to install to if i dont specify the location in the terminal? |
| 21:43.24 | jmcnaught | yolo_: following those instructions writes over the python interpreter installed by the debian packages. "./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mypython" would have been a lot saner. Those were bad instructions to follow, whoever wrote them doesn't know Debian very well |
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| 21:44.02 | dbn231 | is there any way to save my wifi network's information in /etc/network/interfaces but not start automatically at login to the system, but instead wait for me to tell it to connect? |
| 21:44.04 | yolo_ | :( |
| 21:44.17 | heurist | cameron54545: because it installs them to the "correct place" that is why you are using a package manager. |
| 21:44.33 | jmcnaught | yolo_: there's a tool "debsums" that will tell you about files from packages that have been modified. You could try reinstalling every package that debsums complains about. It's going to be a bit of work getting this removed from your system. |
| 21:44.46 | cameron54545 | OH |
| 21:44.55 | yolo_ | jmcnaught, how do i get this tool ? |
| 21:45.00 | cameron54545 | thats awesome lol |
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| 21:45.10 | DanDare | dbn231, do you have network-manager installed? If so, I think you need to care about it, before /etc/interfaces, depending on your setup |
| 21:45.38 | jmcnaught | yolo_: "apt-get install debsums" and then read the manual for it with "man debsums" |
| 21:45.47 | yolo_ | don't feel like installing a fresh copy of debian again |
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| 21:46.00 | DanDare | dbn231, but I suspect your question is related to 'allow-hotplug' or 'auto' lines on the /etc/interfaces, not sure |
| 21:46.00 | yolo_ | or would that be better ? |
| 21:46.40 | cameron54545 | its installing :) |
| 21:46.56 | jmcnaught | yolo_: if you don't like fresh installing debian, don't follow instructions like that gist ^^^ without understanding them. You can repair this with a combination of debsums, cruft, apt-get --reinstall and some work. |
| 21:47.05 | cameron54545 | why do i not need to turn off x-org via this method? |
| 21:47.07 | DanDare | dbn231, "Lines beginning with the word "auto" are used to identify the physical interfaces to be brought up when ifup is run with the -a option" |
| 21:47.20 | cameron54545 | when i installed the package from the source it made me turn off x-org |
| 21:47.57 | yolo_ | OK |
| 21:48.31 | Resilience | DanDare, allow hotplug I suppose is to allow the hot-plug of devices, be them usb, pcix or whatever, right? |
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| 21:49.29 | cameron54545 | oh no! it says conflicting noveau kernel module loaded (answered my previous question) .. tells me that i have to reboot the machine once the installation has finished |
| 21:49.43 | DanDare | Resilience, im not sure.. if it will impact devices yet know to the OS, like the ethernet ports or just do nothing |
| 21:49.46 | jmcnaught | yolo_: from now on you should stick to debian documentation like the Debian Reference, Debian Administrator's Handbook and http://wiki.debian.org/ . Be very wary of following random advice like that gist or from blogs/forums etc. It could be outdated, for a different distro, or just plain stupid advice like the gist above. |
| 21:49.56 | cameron54545 | will the nouveau conflict with the installation? |
| 21:50.22 | Resilience | DanDare, what is supposed them allowhotplug for? |
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| 21:52.21 | DanDare | Resilience, thats what I say: i dont have knowledge os this. But in a manner, you can 'hotplug' the cable, like USB is a hotplug port by nature. Not sure if it may affect or not stuff like eth0 etc. probably not, right? |
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| 21:54.48 | cameron54545 | thanks so much guys! ima restart now and see if it worked |
| 21:55.45 | dbn231 | DanDare: i don't have network manager, but wicd |
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| 21:57.54 | DanDare | dbn231, im not used to wicd. Not sure if it will read /etc/network/interfaces or if it get any scripts pulling devices UP upon start. |
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| 21:58.27 | DanDare | dbn231, on a standard installation whoever the interfaces file is the main configuration to setup the devices |
| 21:59.03 | DanDare | standard/minimal. A standard dektop installation will install other stuff like network-manager |
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| 22:00.32 | DanDare | dbn231, do a test. comment all line refering to the adpater on the interfaces file. if you boot up and interface is not ready, means that theres nothing interfering there (thats if you decide to go in that way) |
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| 22:00.57 | cameron54545 | ok the drivers are up and running, do you recommend proprietary drivers or noveau? |
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| 22:01.25 | ashka | hi, I'm having a issue with latest wheezy X server. doing Xorg :<free display number> -configure makes X segfault |
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| 22:02.19 | Resilience | for wake-on-lan would be any difference in using the post-up and post-down options of iface in /etc/network/interfaces (like in https://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan) or using te /etc/network/post-upd and post-down.d directories with scripts in it? |
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| 22:05.03 | dbn231 | DanDare: thanks i will try that |
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| 22:07.40 | GoozeyX | Anyone here with particularl experience regarding /etc/profile's behaviour and overwriting variables inside of it externally? |
| 22:08.29 | heurist | dpkg: tell GoozeyX about poll |
| 22:09.14 | GoozeyX | heurist i tried asking the question previously by phrasing it, did not receive any answers, which is why i tried to be more genral about the issue |
| 22:10.20 | ashka | actually not a question to ask, as I'm running proprietary amd drivers |
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| 22:16.24 | dagerik | how can i make my debian system use the xserver-xorg-video-vmware driver as gfx card driver? |
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| 22:17.20 | dagerik | well, first i should check which driver is in use by default. How to do that? |
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| 22:19.20 | Sentinel | hello I accidentally marked all my packages as automatically installed in the aptitude CLI. how could I undo this? |
| 22:20.06 | Brigo | Sentinel, did you have a backup? :) |
| 22:20.28 | Sentinel | Brigo: I'm not even sure what I'd back up |
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| 22:20.55 | Sentinel | I think I have a backup of my home folder that's fairly recent |
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| 22:21.02 | Sentinel | but I doubt this would be in there |
| 22:21.21 | Sentinel | I'm wondering if there are some logs I can look at or w/e to see what changed so I can unchange it |
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| 22:21.48 | Brigo | Sentinel, yes, there are logs in /var/log |
| 22:21.59 | Sentinel | which logs specifically? |
| 22:22.09 | Sentinel | I grepped for "auto" and came up w/ nothing |
| 22:22.10 | Brigo | dpkg logs and apt logs. |
| 22:22.11 | dpkg | i don't know, Brigo |
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| 22:24.27 | svetlana | I'm looking for something like debtree, but with accumulative package sizes. |
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| 22:25.35 | cameron54545 | Does anyone know the icon theme for this: http://home.gna.org/fvwm-crystal/user-screenshots/nemo.jpg aswell as the font? |
| 22:25.50 | Brigo | Sentinel, well, you at least can mark a packge manual installing it again with apt-get install --reinstall |
| 22:25.57 | Resilience | svetlana, why not program something with bash+sed+awk? |
| 22:26.12 | svetlana | Resilience, I'd like something packages that everybody can use. :) |
| 22:26.12 | dagerik | i am running debian in qemu with following options: qemu-system-x86_64 --enable-kvm --vga vmware -cpu host -- and `lspci -nn | grep VGA` gives `00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: VMware SVGA II Adapter [15ad:0405]`. Still the system is extremely sluggish. Something is wrong here. Help. |
| 22:26.50 | svetlana | I don't like packaging, but especially don't like being greedy. And an ideal solution would involve a zooming graph -- a full graph would be too big. |
| 22:27.23 | MY123 | dagerik: Do you use the right X11 driver. |
| 22:27.26 | cameron54545 | zooming graph? |
| 22:27.31 | MY123 | ? |
| 22:27.35 | Brigo | dagerik, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log. You can look for installed drivers too wiht dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video* |
| 22:27.55 | dagerik | /var/log/Xorg.0.log gives "(II) vmware(0): Driver was compiled without KMS- and 3D support." |
| 22:28.02 | dagerik | http://paste.debian.net/113233/ |
| 22:28.06 | dagerik | line 131 |
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| 22:28.31 | dagerik | MY123: i dont know how to check which X11 driver is in use |
| 22:28.36 | teraflop | dagerik: yo dont need to set nothing special |
| 22:28.46 | teraflop | lsmod dagerik |
| 22:29.04 | dagerik | http://paste.debian.net/113234/ |
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| 22:30.17 | teraflop | dagerik: just set the vga driver on the guest machine http://a.pomf.se/hbxpom.png |
| 22:30.35 | teraflop | guest machine options/config |
| 22:31.39 | Sentinel | Brigo: why run reinstall instead of only marking it manual? |
| 22:31.50 | MY123 | dagerik: Do you run Gnome3 ? |
| 22:32.02 | dagerik | teraflop: my browser say web access blocked in the image |
| 22:32.06 | Brigo | Sentinel, because i do no how :D |
| 22:32.14 | dagerik | MY123: i dont know, fresh install couple months ago |
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| 22:32.26 | dagerik | teraflop: how do i set vga driver? |
| 22:32.37 | Sentinel | Brigo: oh I mean I can just mark stuff as manual, but the problem is I don't know what to mark |
| 22:32.38 | teraflop | yo dont need to set |
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| 22:32.54 | teraflop | dagerik: etf browser are you using? |
| 22:32.55 | Sentinel | I can go through thousands of packages and guess... |
| 22:32.58 | teraflop | wtf* |
| 22:33.11 | Brigo | sentinel thing you want :) |
| 22:33.21 | Sentinel | this sucks :( |
| 22:33.36 | dagerik | teraflop: firefox |
| 22:33.41 | MY123 | dagerik: What does return glxinfo ? |
| 22:33.43 | heurist | Sentinel: just mark *everything* as manual. only matters when you uninstall things anyway. |
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| 22:34.20 | Sentinel | heurist: so I'll be running deborphan constantly then, I guess |
| 22:34.24 | Brigo | Sentinel, if you have some task installed mark it. Mark gnome package if you have or kde ... |
| 22:34.27 | Sentinel | is that what you suggest? |
| 22:34.53 | Brigo | Sentinel, at this point is not a bad solution. |
| 22:35.12 | Sentinel | I'm unhappy. how do I get this kind of thing into my logs to prevent it in the future? |
| 22:35.18 | dagerik | MY123: http://paste.debian.net/113235/ |
| 22:35.26 | teraflop | dagerik: http://es.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=otf1xc&s=8 |
| 22:35.44 | teraflop | im not gonna paste in any more sites :P |
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| 22:36.09 | teraflop | sorry dagerik firefox does not block that for me |
| 22:36.52 | teraflop | dagerik: also you have the driver you want loaded |
| 22:36.53 | heurist | Sentinel: have not looked at it, but this may help http://lkubuntu.wordpress.com/2011/07/27/apt-undo-a-simple-way-of-undoing-apt-actions/ |
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| 22:37.00 | dagerik | teraflop: sorry, it's my anti-(malware|phising|virus|porn) addon |
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| 22:37.09 | MY123 | Don |
| 22:37.27 | dagerik | teraflop: yes i can see vmwgfx |
| 22:37.31 | MY123 | dagerik: gnome 3 . Slow on llvmpipe |
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| 22:37.55 | teraflop | do you see my screenshot? |
| 22:38.00 | MY123 | dagerik: What is your CPU ? |
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| 22:38.10 | dagerik | intel i7 on laptop 6MB cache |
| 22:38.13 | Sentinel | heurist: thanks but it doesn't appear to cover my situation |
| 22:38.27 | heurist | Sentinel: no, but future ones maybe. |
| 22:38.31 | dagerik | teraflop: yes i see it |
| 22:38.43 | Sentinel | heurist: I mean it doesn't seem to cover marking packages at all |
| 22:39.07 | MY123 | dagerik: Intel Vanderpool enabled in BIOS ? |
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| 22:39.09 | teraflop | you have the driver in use, what debian version and DE/WM are you using? dagerik |
| 22:39.32 | dagerik | teraflop: i do not know. fresh install. looks gnome-ish |
| 22:39.58 | teraflop | yep, is it stable debian dagerik ? |
| 22:40.06 | dagerik | it says wheezy |
| 22:40.15 | dagerik | i dont know if it is stable |
| 22:40.23 | shay_shay | #debian is one of the best support channels ever |
| 22:40.47 | teraflop | the one you see in my screenshot is sid, i got some truobles using gnome in stable on kvm guest |
| 22:40.53 | MY123 | dagerik: Wheezy is stable. Squeeze is oldstable. |
| 22:41.28 | teraflop | cat /etc/debian_version dagerik |
| 22:41.40 | dagerik | just to remind you, my problem is an extremely sluggish debian inside qemu. even moving mouse is casually laggy |
| 22:41.41 | GoozeyX | Has anyone heard of a part of xfce4 or an rc script that is able to override variables inside /etc/environment ? |
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| 22:41.55 | dagerik | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:41.55 | dagerik | cat: /etc/debian_version: No such file or directory |
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| 22:42.23 | byte | n8 |
| 22:42.26 | teraflop | dagerik: this debian is fast as hell and my host machine is on 6% cpu, kvm here |
| 22:42.43 | dagerik | teraflop: sry, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:42.44 | dagerik | 7.6 |
| 22:42.47 | teraflop | i suggest give atry to xfce dagerik |
| 22:42.53 | dagerik | ill try |
| 22:43.14 | irinix | Okay so now, after putting the firmware packages in place, I get error: prefix not set when I boot the machine of my bootable USB |
| 22:43.23 | dagerik | curl -i https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
| 22:43.24 | dagerik | HTTP/1.1 403 FORBIDDEN |
| 22:43.29 | cameron54545 | Hello everyone, I am wondering how do i install a font the normal way |
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| 22:43.33 | dagerik | my VPN is blocked |
| 22:43.38 | irinix | any ideas.? |
| 22:43.53 | Sentinel | cameron54545: just one font? |
| 22:43.59 | cameron54545 | yes i have it downloaded |
| 22:44.02 | teraflop | dagerik: pr0n too? i think that web spam filter is a mess |
| 22:44.14 | teraflop | :0 heh |
| 22:44.16 | Sentinel | cameron54545: oh sorry I'm the wrong person to help you |
| 22:44.18 | Sentinel | gl |
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| 22:44.44 | cameron54545 | i see how it is |
| 22:45.42 | irinix | it then drops right to a grub shell and trying to boot results in error no kernel loaded |
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| 22:49.45 | dagerik | irinix: reinstall grub |
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| 22:53.40 | irinix | dagerik, this is system is NOT Already installed, this is off of the installer. |
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| 22:54.39 | irinix | so, yes, I would love to reinstall grub, but I can't even access the installer to do so. |
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| 22:56.12 | cameron54545 | anyone know how to install a single font? simply moving the font to the correct directory doesnt seem to be working |
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| 22:58.32 | boycottg00gle | cameron54545: copy to ~/.fonts |
| 22:58.43 | irinix | mtn suggested that I try using the NON-FREE installer so I had the drivers for my RTL8179 it worked before that. I don't have access to an ethernet cable so I have to install via netinstall over wifi |
| 22:59.18 | irinix | i'm sorry, firmware for my RTL8179 |
| 22:59.23 | irinix | now neither installer works. |
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| 23:05.31 | dagerik | teraflop: xfce was better. now GUI lag is gone |
| 23:05.52 | teraflop | thats good dagerik |
| 23:06.01 | dagerik | but network connection gone |
| 23:06.33 | dagerik | and ssh server didnt start at boot |
| 23:06.35 | dagerik | as usual |
| 23:07.11 | teraflop | dagerik: but you should have had login with gnome the whatever is called instead of fallback |
| 23:08.36 | dagerik | i followed instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
| 23:08.43 | dagerik | it said delete all gnome stuff |
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| 23:09.14 | dagerik | i have interface eth0 but it is not UP |
| 23:09.22 | dioz | ifconfig eth0 up |
| 23:09.53 | dagerik | tor |
| 23:10.13 | dagerik | i dont have ifconfig installed |
| 23:10.36 | dioz | editor /etc/network/interface |
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| 23:10.52 | dioz | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 23:11.15 | heurist | dagerik: ip link set eth0 up |
| 23:11.17 | dagerik | the file do no exist |
| 23:11.44 | dagerik | okay now how to get ip |
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| 23:11.51 | dioz | dhcp or static? |
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| 23:11.55 | dagerik | dhcp |
| 23:11.56 | dioz | dhclient eth0 |
| 23:12.00 | teraflop | dagerik: was the nic detected and configured during the installation process? |
| 23:12.25 | dagerik | teraflop: i dont remember. inside qemu remember |
| 23:12.46 | heurist | dagerik: ip is part of the iproute package |
| 23:12.49 | teraflop | ^ |
| 23:12.57 | dagerik | yes i have the ip program |
| 23:13.04 | dagerik | dhclient is hanging |
| 23:13.05 | teraflop | ip link show dagerik |
| 23:13.12 | teraflop | so you see the nics |
| 23:13.25 | dagerik | yes eth0 is UP but i need ip from dhcp |
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| 23:14.37 | jmcnaught | dagerik: it's /etc/network/interfaces (with an 's'). When you're typing commands you can hit <TAB> to automatically complete file names that you've started typing |
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| 23:15.09 | teraflop | as /etc/init.d/dhcp___whatever dagerik |
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| 23:17.15 | dagerik | teraflop: /etc/init.d/dhcp* no such files |
| 23:17.49 | dagerik | jmcnaught: the /etc/network/interfaces shows only loopback iface |
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| 23:18.14 | dagerik | qemu is supposed to act as DHCP and give out ip 10.0.0.22 but how |
| 23:18.15 | jmcnaught | dagerik: that's fine if you're planning on using network-manager (or wicd probably too) |
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| 23:18.54 | teraflop | sorry dagerik dhclient eth0 |
| 23:19.57 | jmcnaught | dagerik: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration check this wiki page, and also "man interfaces" for how to configure network interfaces manually. Once they're configured you would use "ifup eth0" and "ifdown eth0" to bring them up or down |
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| 23:20.18 | teraflop | dagerik: idn what os is your host and how you configured quemu |
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| 23:21.19 | dioz | i'm gonna go out on a limb |
| 23:21.33 | dioz | he said he's in qemu |
| 23:21.41 | dioz | so he'll need a bridge with a dhcpd daemon running on it |
| 23:21.51 | dioz | with a tap interface assigned to the VM |
| 23:21.58 | teraflop | dagerik: idn what os is your host and how you configured quemu <==== dioz |
| 23:22.09 | dioz | need moar information |
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| 23:22.17 | dagerik | qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -vga vmware -cpu host debian -- host is archlinux |
| 23:22.26 | dioz | still not enough information |
| 23:22.32 | teraflop | nop |
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| 23:22.50 | teraflop | dagerik: just use virt-manager |
| 23:22.54 | dioz | the question we need answered is how you have the lan the qemu quest is connecting to setup |
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| 23:23.05 | dioz | :s/quest/guest/g |
| 23:23.21 | uforek_ | omg, this is driving me nuts. |
| 23:23.23 | teraflop | the screenshot i sent you earlier is on an acrhlinux host works out of the box |
| 23:23.46 | dioz | i must've missed the screen shot |
| 23:23.52 | jmcnaught | yeah libvirt sets up a default "virbr0" on its own subnet using dnsmasq for dhcp and dns |
| 23:23.56 | dagerik | in qemu, The default user-mode networking allows the guest to access the host OS at the IP address 10.0.2.2. |
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| 23:24.07 | teraflop | http://a.pomf.se/hbxpom.png |
| 23:24.08 | uforek_ | can i get some help figuring this gfx driver issue? |
| 23:24.11 | uforek_ | been at it for 3 days |
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| 23:24.53 | uforek_ | http://pastebin.com/M7rwXpk7 -- haven't been able to figure it out. |
| 23:26.16 | heurist | dagerik: sounds like you do not have dhcp configured correctly, myabe you need to look at the docs: http://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking |
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| 23:27.15 | uforek_ | has anyone gotten fglrx to work in jessie? |
| 23:27.21 | centrx | yo I installed steam but when I type "stream" I get a completely different program |
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| 23:27.39 | rim-k | " I type "stream"" |
| 23:27.42 | teraflop | lol |
| 23:27.45 | rim-k | ... |
| 23:27.47 | dagerik | okay i got ip with dhclient eth0. but i was wrong. the GUI in xfce is still extremely sluggish |
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| 23:27.51 | rim-k | try with steam |
| 23:27.54 | centrx | thanks guys |
| 23:28.04 | Resilience | who writes this docs? https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_modern_network_configuration_for_desktop |
| 23:28.06 | rim-k | #facepalm |
| 23:28.25 | dagerik | qemu runs constantly at 115% CPU when i try to load this webpage |
| 23:28.26 | teraflop | hah |
| 23:28.33 | dagerik | even with kvm enabled |
| 23:28.43 | teraflop | dagerik: thats weird |
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| 23:29.24 | jmcnaught | dagerik: are you talking about the GUI in the VM? It's probably sluggish because you're viewing it over VNC. |
| 23:29.43 | dagerik | i mean gui in xfce |
| 23:29.57 | jmcnaught | dagerik: on the host or the guest? |
| 23:30.02 | dagerik | it's not only GUI i guess, the whole system is slow. |
| 23:30.06 | dagerik | guest |
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| 23:30.28 | jmcnaught | dagerik: are you viewing the guest's GUI over VNC? VNC is slow. |
| 23:30.41 | dagerik | no |
| 23:31.16 | teraflop | dagerik: afaik the issue is on the host so may be better switch to #archlinux |
| 23:31.58 | dagerik | only by simply hovering mouse over qemu window the qemu process goes to 22% |
| 23:33.57 | uforek_ | why can i not install xorg-video-abi-15 from apt? i have sid's repos but im getting a "not available" error when attempting to install it. |
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| 23:35.39 | uforek_ | only easy problems are answered... i get it. lol. |
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| 23:38.01 | teraflop | uforek_: sorry? |
| 23:38.18 | uforek_ | how do i dist-upgrade my xorg installation only and only deps of it? |
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| 23:38.38 | uforek_ | theres a package i need in sid, the xorg core, to get my fglrx driver working |
| 23:38.39 | dioz | dagerik: i'd suggest proxmox or smartos TBH if you're looking for hypervisor OS to do virtualization with |
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| 23:39.43 | heurist | dpkg: tell uforek_ about debian-next |
| 23:39.44 | jmcnaught | debian's not to shabby either :) |
| 23:39.44 | teraflop | no uforek_ you get not available because does not on the sid repos as I already checked 5 secs ago |
| 23:39.47 | heurist | dpkg: tell uforek_ about frankendebian |
| 23:39.55 | dioz | jmcnaught: proxmox is debian... basically |
| 23:40.14 | dioz | i think they even use debian repos |
| 23:40.17 | teraflop | dioz: so hard simple for getting a vm isnt it? |
| 23:40.26 | teraflop | s/simply |
| 23:40.30 | uforek_ | https://packages.debian.org/sid/xorg-video-abi-15 exists. |
| 23:40.32 | dioz | teraflop: i didn |
| 23:40.36 | uforek_ | terabit, https://packages.debian.org/sid/xorg-video-abi-15 |
| 23:40.42 | uforek_ | teraflop, https://packages.debian.org/sid/xorg-video-abi-15 |
| 23:40.45 | uforek_ | my bad. |
| 23:40.50 | dioz | idn't have any ISSUED WITH qemu and my debian install when i did it that way |
| 23:40.51 | themill | it's a virtual package |
| 23:40.54 | uforek_ | it exists in the sid xorg core package |
| 23:40.56 | dioz | but why re-invent the wheel |
| 23:41.13 | jmcnaught | dioz: it's "not debian" enough that it's not supported here, although i noticed that they use the debian US mirrors (as well as their own which just contains the new/changed packages I guess) |
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| 23:41.32 | uforek_ | ok, so is there any alternative to flgrx-driver for my ati proprietary crap of a gfx card in jessie? |
| 23:41.48 | dioz | get the driver from ati.com |
| 23:41.55 | dioz | they have a installer |
| 23:41.59 | dioz | just check their documentations page |
| 23:42.06 | teraflop | dioz: i think the same as i said before |
| 23:42.13 | uforek_ | their installer doesn't work for 3.14 |
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| 23:42.44 | dioz | uforek: oh |
| 23:42.54 | teraflop | uforek_: it is not on the sid repos so hang on trying if you want ... |
| 23:43.18 | jmcnaught | also installing video drivers from the ATI website is a bad idea. Personally I would just wait for the flgrx-driver to be fixed, or use radeon altogether |
| 23:43.29 | teraflop | jmcnaught++++++ |
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| 23:44.40 | uforek | jmcnaught, so is fglrx-driver depends on virtual packages... am i SOL? |
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| 23:44.48 | uforek | so because fglrx-driver* |
| 23:45.05 | dioz | i had no problems with the ati video drivers installer |
| 23:45.15 | uforek | on kernel 3.14? |
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| 23:45.26 | dioz | not with kernel 3.14 sorry |
| 23:45.31 | uforek | yeah, DIE! |
| 23:45.39 | uforek | -.- |
| 23:45.56 | uforek | i shouldn't have upgraded to jessie -- figured they were so close to stable release, why not... |
| 23:46.03 | jmcnaught | dioz: just because you haven't had problems yet doesn't me you won't. Please don't recommend using driver installers from AMD or Nvidia in here. |
| 23:46.16 | dioz | did you get the latest/greatest release frmo their site? |
| 23:46.23 | dioz | or jsut the most stable? |
| 23:46.30 | teraflop | uforek: AMD is so slow releasing drivers and you are in sid ... |
| 23:46.33 | uforek | dioz, yes. i got the beta even and that didnt work |
| 23:46.41 | uforek | teraflop, im in jessie. |
| 23:46.57 | teraflop | ok the same for jessie |
| 23:47.06 | uforek | teraflop, i added sid repos to get this card to work, there is no fglrx-driver for jessie, sid and experimental are the only repos with it. |
| 23:47.09 | teraflop | just use radeon |
| 23:47.09 | dioz | i'm not limited in my life by what people suggest or what people think |
| 23:47.11 | dioz | i make shit work |
| 23:47.16 | jmcnaught | uforek: why can't you use radeon again? |
| 23:47.20 | teraflop | not me dioz |
| 23:47.26 | themill | uforek: as usual, there is no version of fglrx in existence anywhere that works with the current kernel and xorg. |
| 23:47.35 | teraflop | .... |
| 23:47.46 | uforek | jmcnaught, is that a GPL driver for my card? |
| 23:48.03 | teraflop | yeah uforek write complain :P |
| 23:48.10 | uforek | themill, thanks, i didn't know that and have been banging my head on the wall. |
| 23:48.20 | dioz | the funnier and the longer you make the flame the more likely they are to read it |
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| 23:48.45 | dioz | make sure to reference some witty present time events |
| 23:49.08 | jmcnaught | uforek: well i think it's MIT license but yes, use the open source driver for now. or for now even. |
| 23:49.13 | uforek | probably not productive to flame devs. |
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| 23:49.28 | dioz | do it anonymously then |
| 23:49.31 | uforek | jmcnaught, whats the package name? xorg-radeon something'ish? |
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| 23:50.14 | jmcnaught | uforek: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo (you might also need to remove the radeon blacklist that the fglrx packages previously added if they've been installed before) |
| 23:50.26 | ashka | hm, I have an ATI card (HD7900 series), I want to use mesa, I installed it but it only detects one screen and has duplicate output on both. xrandr says the same thing |
| 23:50.28 | uforek | gotcha -- thanks for the help, jmcnaught |
| 23:51.10 | uforek | jmcnaught, gotta undo all this web of build-dep installations -- hopefully autoremove will do it. |
| 23:51.22 | ashka | I was using fglrx before though, I uninstalled it with the installer but is there any known extra steps? |
| 23:51.25 | uforek | stuffs a mess. |
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| 23:51.54 | uforek | is mesa another ati driver? |
| 23:51.57 | jmcnaught | uforek: careful with removing stuff :) |
| 23:52.39 | uforek | is there a way to dpkg -uninstall *.deb? |
| 23:52.40 | uforek | lol |
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| 23:53.14 | ashka | I guess, I'm not too sure. I also have an issue that is probably related: I can see a stacktrace very briefly when starting up about modprobe failing someting on pcixxxxxx, but I can't find it in syslog or dmesg, and I believe it is related |
| 23:53.15 | uforek | jmcnaught, whats the best way to remove these deps that i manually installed via .deb files? |
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| 23:54.25 | cameron54545 | hey guys |
| 23:54.48 | cameron54545 | i am trying to install add i386 architech to my 64bit deb |
| 23:54.49 | jmcnaught | uforek: does 'aptitude search "?obsolete"' give you a list of them? Installing random deb files is usually not a good idea |
| 23:55.07 | cameron54545 | however it says this : Failed to fetch cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 7 _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20140723-17:31]/dists/wheezy/main/binary-i386/Packages Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs |
| 23:55.14 | cameron54545 | is that because its commented somewhere? |
| 23:55.25 | uforek | well, what i did was do a build-dep, apt-get compile on the fglrx-driver, and then a dpkg -i *.deb |
| 23:55.49 | uforek | so im just curious if theres a way to reverse it. not much expeirnece with aptitude |
| 23:56.03 | cameron54545 | also will adding 32bit compatibility slow down my machine? |
| 23:56.05 | dvs | cameron54545: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net |
| 23:56.37 | jmcnaught | uforek: okay. aptitude has pretty decent search, try that command, "obsolete" means "packages that cannot be downloaded from the repositories" |
| 23:56.40 | uforek | jmcnaught, appearently i had radeon driver installed... so its a matter of removing the blacklist -- how do i get modules loaded on boot? |
| 23:56.51 | uforek | jmcnaught, ahhh i see -- cool |
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| 23:56.59 | ashka | I'm currently in TTY but I believe the issue has to do with generic-hdmi, can I disable that somewhere ? (I use DVI for my screens) |
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| 23:57.47 | cameron54545 | http://paste.debian.net/113241/ |
| 23:58.26 | dvs | cameron54545: comment out line 5 |
| 23:58.57 | dvs | cameron54545: and uncomment line 8 |
| 23:58.58 | Guest1775 | this is what happens when i try to install debian |
| 23:59.01 | Guest1775 | http://imgur.com/41buYCI |
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| 23:59.48 | jmcnaught | uforek: remove the file /etc/modprobe.d/fglrx-driver.conf (look inside first to understand why though, i'm just a stranger on the internet :) |
| 23:59.59 | uforek | oh i get it. |
