| 00:00.01 | ashka | I believe this is what I see briefly on boot (just after the tty display mode changed) : http://paste.debian.net/113242/ |
| 00:00.13 | uforek | yeah, i figured it out |
| 00:00.45 | uforek | jmcnaught, after installing the radeon packages, will they create some sort of file that'll get read upon boot to load that module? |
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| 00:01.43 | irinix | i've tried both stable and testing |
| 00:01.52 | jmcnaught | uforek: they're loaded by default, that's why fglrx-driver needs to blacklist them. The other change from flgrx-driver you need to make is your /etc/X11/xorg.conf(.d/flgrx.conf) |
| 00:01.55 | uforek | jmcnaught, theres actually no fglrx-driver.conf. lol |
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| 00:02.16 | jmcnaught | uforek: puring the fglrx-driver package would remove it too i believe |
| 00:02.20 | uforek | just rm the xorg confs? |
| 00:02.30 | uforek | perhaps thats what happend. |
| 00:02.36 | irinix | but for the life of me i cannot get it to install on this machine. help? |
| 00:02.48 | uforek | i've been going through the list of obsoletes, targeting the fglrx / amd stuff related to the driver and apt-get removing them manually. |
| 00:02.58 | jmcnaught | uforek: you'll also want to make sure you have the firmware-linux-nonfree package |
| 00:03.08 | uforek | done |
| 00:04.11 | uforek | is there a reason to have multiple modesets enabled or just the radeon modeset? |
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| 00:04.34 | uforek | im noticing another file "modesetting.conf" thats enabling modeset on "cirrus" and "mgag200" |
| 00:04.46 | jlim | good day mates |
| 00:05.02 | uforek | and while they're different than the radeon.conf, which modesets radeon, im curious if that'll conflict |
| 00:05.09 | jmcnaught | uforek: where is that modesetting.conf file? |
| 00:05.21 | uforek | its /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 00:05.35 | uforek | im guessing its a late way of modesetting? |
| 00:05.59 | uforek | should i perhaps add the radeon modeset to my kernel params in grub? |
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| 00:06.17 | jmcnaught | uforek: heh don't go modifying other files and making more problems. The only reason to be in /etc/modprobe.d was to see if there was a conf left over from fglrx-driver blacklisting the driver |
| 00:06.21 | uforek | other than that, the modprobe.d looks clear of any blacklisting |
| 00:06.59 | uforek | gotcha |
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| 00:07.25 | jmcnaught | uforek: for most people the radeon driver "just works" as long as you have firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri installed. Most people don't even need an xorg.conf file at all unless they have special needs |
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| 00:08.07 | uforek | well, this entire thing started when i was getting openGL errors trying to load minecraft |
| 00:09.12 | uforek | when i did a grep on my xorg log to see which driver it was loading... it was pointing at fglrx |
| 00:09.25 | uforek | though i'm not sure how that was working as it was broken due to the dist-upgrade |
| 00:09.40 | uforek | jmcnaught, im going to reboot and hope this just works... |
| 00:09.56 | jmcnaught | uforek: I don't know about minecraft, but all of the 3D FPS games in the Debian repos were able to play at 1920x1080 using the radeon drivers on my AMD 5770HD |
| 00:09.58 | uforek | jmcnaught, if not, the module name is just radeon, right? if i need to manually config a xorg? |
| 00:10.16 | uforek | i see |
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| 00:10.45 | uforek | oh, another thing -- not sure if i mentioned it, but i have some "leftover" xorg.conf.fglrx files in xorgs conf.d |
| 00:11.02 | uforek | are those ignored or is there someplace pointing to those files that i need to change |
| 00:11.16 | rocko2 | what much do system admins get paid? |
| 00:11.20 | rocko2 | how* |
| 00:11.28 | uforek | what state? |
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| 00:12.04 | rocko2 | illinois |
| 00:12.10 | uforek | in cali, the average is 120k |
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| 00:12.31 | jmcnaught | rocko2: that's off-topic here. you could try #debian-offtopic or ##linux |
| 00:12.36 | rocko2 | debating if I should get a degree in system administration |
| 00:12.49 | rocko2 | okay jmcnaught |
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| 00:13.30 | uforek | jmcnaught, going to reboot -- wish me luck. |
| 00:13.49 | dvs | !boot uforek |
| 00:13.56 | uforek | jmcnaught, video card drivers are that one *thing* that shits all over me. |
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| 00:14.13 | jmcnaught | uforek: do you have some rescue media handy? I don't know what kind of mess you might have if you were playing with driver installers from the AMD website :) |
| 00:14.23 | uforek | no gui -- haven't learned a console browser / wpa_supp junk to setup wifi. lol |
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| 00:15.22 | uforek | jmcnaught, i used the sites uninstaller to get rid of their mess |
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| 00:15.51 | uforek | jmcnaught, is there any way to return all graphics drivers installed on a deb machine? |
| 00:15.55 | uforek | just out of curiousity |
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| 00:16.48 | uforek | *if* there exists a fglrx or amd prop driver and it cockblocks xorg-radeon from loading or working properly... i can blacklist it in a conf, right? |
| 00:16.49 | jmcnaught | uforek: that's one reason to use Debian Stable while you're learning. When you're having trouble with software in Stable, you have a little more certainty that it's not a bug and you're just doing something wrong. In testing and unstable, when you're having trouble and you don't know enough about the problem, it's harder to tell if you're caught by a bug or just not doing it right. |
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| 00:17.13 | uforek | nods |
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| 00:17.17 | uforek | too late? |
| 00:18.05 | jmcnaught | uforek: it's too late to downgrade to wheezy, but if you're having this much trouble it's not too late to back everything up and reinstall wheezy so you're on a solid foundation |
| 00:18.17 | uforek | oh... i had this crazy idea my wm would somehow render the themes better in jessie with the updates to xorg and such |
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| 00:18.48 | uforek | jmcnaught, theres no "simple" method of downgrading? |
| 00:18.49 | jmcnaught | uses Debian Stable and gets to use his computer instead of fixing it all the time. |
| 00:18.50 | irinix | So, what does "Prefix Not Set" mean when grub boots off of a USB Installer on an EFI system? |
| 00:19.11 | irinix | would LOVE to use his computer, but debian won't install |
| 00:19.20 | uforek | oh boy... i had efi nightmares when i first started. |
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| 00:19.40 | irinix | uforek, please, have sympathy on a man stuck in the same place. |
| 00:19.44 | uforek | get this: my laptop is efi compliant or whatever, but does not support booting into efi installs. |
| 00:19.49 | jmcnaught | uforek: no, downgrades are unsupported and won't work predictably even if you force them against best advice. |
| 00:20.21 | uforek | jmcnaught, i dont mind reinstalling -- i should have listen to my inner voice. |
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| 00:21.09 | uforek | irinix, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=81120 |
| 00:21.21 | irinix | uforek, I have a Satellite C55-a trying to get off of windows 8. I was able to boot the USB installer exactly ONCE. but stable doesn't have my non-free firmware. got the firm ware. Now grub won't boot. Pops up with "Prefix Not Set" drops to a shell and I can't get past that |
| 00:21.30 | jmcnaught | uforek: there's also backports and mozilla.debian.net for newer iceweasel on wheezy. What I do is I have Jessie installed on an external USB HDD that I boot from every couple of days to play around in |
| 00:22.03 | uforek | jmcnaught, good idea |
| 00:22.20 | irinix | uforek, see my last post. Anything that asssumes debian is already installed == invalid |
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| 00:22.24 | uforek | jmcnaught, i need to stop writing over the flash i keep reinstalling wheezy on. |
| 00:22.33 | uforek | *wheezy with |
| 00:22.56 | uforek | irinix, the uri i posted was pre-install stuff |
| 00:23.07 | jmcnaught | it's good to always have a bootable copy of the installer iso handy, it also has a rescue mode |
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| 00:23.34 | uforek | jmcnaught, i'm going to designate one of the many flash i have laying around as the "debian wheezy/rescue" disc. |
| 00:23.57 | uforek | i have 3 that are the same, so it confuses me without any kind of labeling |
| 00:24.01 | uforek | anywho, brb -- rebooting. |
| 00:24.14 | uforek | if all else fails, ill reinstall wheezy and be all happy about it. |
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| 00:25.07 | uforek | sweet baby jebus. |
| 00:25.11 | uforek | nothing exploded |
| 00:25.19 | uforek | eyebrows intact |
| 00:25.37 | uforek | jmcnaught, you da man. =P |
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| 00:25.52 | uforek | jessie should go stable soon right? |
| 00:27.03 | heurist | uforek: jessie will go stable when jessie goes stable |
| 00:27.22 | uforek | isn't there a projected time that i read someplace on debian.org? |
| 00:27.35 | uforek | maybe it was just speculative info |
| 00:28.08 | jmcnaught | uforek: the freeze starts November 5th, but then it won't be released as stable until the RC bugs are fixed |
| 00:28.28 | uforek | freeze meaning no additional packages are to be added or what? |
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| 00:28.53 | uforek | ah, so thats the time line i had in my head |
| 00:28.59 | jmcnaught | uforek: https://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html |
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| 00:30.55 | jmcnaught | uforek: note the part about "Removing packages from testing during freeze" has a second date Feb 5th 2015 when they will be more "proactive with our auto-removals" |
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| 00:31.07 | uforek | ahh |
| 00:31.18 | uforek | well, im still getting this glx error in minecraft |
| 00:31.52 | uforek | is opengl not supported in the radeon driver or do i need to do additional configurations? |
| 00:32.45 | jmcnaught | uforek: radeon does accelerated opengl. if you're having the same problem with another 3D accelerated game that's included with Debian someone might be able ot help you troubleshoot it (with that game at least, not Minecraft) |
| 00:33.34 | uforek | well, right now im trying to figure out how to see if opengl is enabled |
| 00:33.47 | uforek | because maybe the issue will resolve itself if its not enabled and i enable it. lol |
| 00:34.28 | dotDeb | Anyone know when Plasma 5 will be added to sid? |
| 00:34.47 | uforek | got a "Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: libaudit.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 00:35.18 | uforek | jmcnaught, do you know if libglx.so is related to radeon driver? |
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| 00:37.16 | heurist | uforek: dpkg -S /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
| 00:37.51 | uforek | yeah, its a xorg-core file |
| 00:37.58 | uforek | and its installed |
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| 00:38.42 | uforek | the error is referring to a libaudit.so as well, whats that? |
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| 00:39.29 | heurist | uforek: dpkg -S libaudit.so |
| 00:40.25 | uforek | libaudit1 is already the newest version. |
| 00:40.34 | uforek | looks like a xorg bug |
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| 00:41.56 | jmcnaught | uforek: is the error message you're getting talking about libaudit.so.0 or libaudit.so.1? |
| 00:42.38 | uforek | http://pastebin.com/XK6Xxj3v |
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| 00:43.14 | uforek | seeing as they're both installed -- perhaps this is a softlink problem? |
| 00:43.22 | uforek | or uh... requires a simple patch? |
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| 00:45.21 | linda__ | Por favor ingresen a esta web: http://www.ChatSocial.org para conocer chicos y chicas de Bolivia!!! porfissss entrale shi? dale 2 clicks aqui http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org http://www.ChatSocial.org |
| 00:45.23 | uforek | reading a fix is to downgrade the packages |
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| 00:45.49 | dvs | summons idoru |
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| 00:50.08 | teraflop | :0 |
| 00:51.56 | T-Rog | what in the holy hell did I just see |
| 00:51.58 | uforek | any idea? |
| 00:52.19 | teraflop | hah |
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| 00:54.33 | uforek | heurist, any idea? |
| 00:55.06 | heurist | uforek: reinstall? stay away from jessie? |
| 00:55.12 | uforek | lol |
| 00:55.13 | teraflop | uforek: it really worth the time and effort not just save your /home and reinstall wheezy? |
| 00:55.44 | uforek | teraflop, isn't the problem of time, just a hassle. |
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| 00:56.07 | uforek | heurist, how does one downgrade a package? |
| 00:56.35 | heurist | uforek: one does not, downgrades are not supported. |
| 00:57.31 | uforek | heurist, so its impossible for me to remove a package and install a lesser version of it to fix an issue? |
| 00:57.55 | uforek | i'm reading the "fix", but have no clue how to "downgrade" the specific package |
| 00:58.06 | heurist | uforek: nothing is impossible if you truely believe. but we can not help you. |
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| 00:58.37 | uforek | heurist, it suddenly became political. |
| 00:58.45 | Epakai | downgrading packages is plenty doable, downgrading debian versions is not |
| 00:59.08 | heurist | uforek: a downgrade is easy. it is called reinstall. |
| 00:59.22 | uforek | Epakai, how does one go about the first scenario? |
| 00:59.25 | Epakai | if you have multiple version available you can select them from aptitude from the package information screen |
| 00:59.51 | uforek | and a simple apt-get install of the downgraded version would work? |
| 01:00.28 | uforek | heurist, i realize you cannot find a solution to the problem. not everyone is awesome like jmcnaught. |
| 01:00.46 | Epakai | uninstall the new version and if apt grabs the old version that would be enough |
| 01:00.56 | uforek | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=658153 heres the bug i'm referring to. |
| 01:01.05 | uforek | Epakai, cool -- thanks. |
| 01:01.12 | heurist | uforek: agreed, very few are as awesome as jmcnaught. |
| 01:01.44 | uforek | heurist, hope you're not pointing people away from jessie simply because problems exist outside the scope of your own personal knowledge. |
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| 01:03.15 | heurist | uforek: nope, I am fine with jessie, but it is not for those who do not have a very good understanding of the internals of how linux and debian work, also not the topic of this channel. jessie will break. |
| 01:03.17 | teraflop | linda_ the spammer may be so... in its way |
| 01:04.13 | uforek | heurist, a good understanding of downgrading apparently isn't a required skill, its not supported. |
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| 01:05.02 | heurist | uforek: debian is not good with downgrades. it is one if its weaknesses. |
| 01:05.25 | uforek | heurist, i specifically asked about a single package downgrade |
| 01:06.23 | uforek | heurist, perhaps you misunderstood my question -- the tracker had several quick-fixes for the issue and were recommending downgrading the libaudit package |
| 01:07.53 | heurist | uforek: then give them a try, I sincerely wish you luck, but can not help you with it. |
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| 01:09.27 | uforek | going around in circles |
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| 01:10.03 | themill | uforek: if it's only one simple library package, just use dpkg -i on the .deb file |
| 01:10.37 | uforek | will that remove the previous version before hand? |
| 01:10.52 | themill | you can only have one version of a package installed at any time |
| 01:11.31 | uforek | does it preform cleanup before installing the new version? |
| 01:11.45 | themill | what do you mean by "cleanup"? |
| 01:12.09 | uforek | remove any unnessesary files associated with the package previously installed |
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| 01:12.54 | themill | the files owned by the previous version are removed and the new files are unpacked, in exactly the same way as any other situation where a new version of a package is installed |
| 01:13.07 | uforek | gotcha -- thanks |
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| 01:13.47 | themill | what isn't reversed is anything that the maintainer scripts have done in the upgrade, but for a simple library package, that shouldn't be a problem |
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| 01:15.53 | uforek | ah |
| 01:16.44 | uforek | is there a config for xorg's module references or is that in the binary? |
| 01:17.03 | uforek | i'm getting this error: Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: libaudit.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:17.15 | uforek | the packages are installed and exist |
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| 01:18.02 | justanotheruser | Sorry I'm new to this, what is the best place report bugs for debian testing? |
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| 01:18.49 | uforek | https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 01:23.24 | uforek | lol, what a joke. |
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| 01:26.01 | kailoAtWork | I'm not sure that I want to install pkg-php-tools, as it pretty much doubles the number of installed packages on my server |
| 01:26.23 | rim-k | kailoAtWork: why not getting it with curl ? |
| 01:26.34 | rim-k | curl -sS https://getcomposer.org/installer | php |
| 01:26.44 | kailoAtWork | Is that forward-compatible? |
| 01:26.54 | rim-k | what do you mean? |
| 01:27.03 | kailoAtWork | will I run into issues with it being out of date with that approach? |
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| 01:27.47 | rim-k | no idea |
| 01:27.54 | kailoAtWork | k |
| 01:27.59 | rim-k | what version do you have? |
| 01:28.35 | kailoAtWork | none yet, I just want to set up drush for drupal, and it's a dependency |
| 01:28.49 | kailoAtWork | dem dependency manager dependencies |
| 01:28.50 | rim-k | then go ahead :) |
| 01:28.59 | rim-k | jump in |
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| 01:30.04 | kailoAtWork | kk thanks |
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| 01:31.19 | uforek | wow... a simple --reinstall on xserver-xorg-core fixed the shared library problem. |
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| 01:37.26 | ftc- | anyone know what could cause a system to think a lvm partition is mounted when it isn't? there's nothing in lsof and umount on the device says its not mounted, but fsck and mount refuse to use it saying its already mounted. same across reboots. |
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| 01:47.04 | cameron54545 | Is there a source for vmplayer? |
| 01:47.15 | cameron54545 | or a package |
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| 01:47.27 | cameron54545 | is it supported by a package manager.. |
| 01:50.44 | somiaj | vmplayer I don't reconize that. |
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| 01:51.11 | zinx | cameron54545: only if vmware's packaged it |
| 01:52.04 | somiaj | cameron54545: what does that application do, there could be similar available, but looks like you need to get that paticular software outside of debian |
| 01:53.24 | themill | cameron54545: there are quite a few tools for managing virtual machines in debian -- virt-manager with kvm and virtualbox would be the most popular ones. (there's other ways of playing with kvm too) |
| 01:53.49 | themill | !virtualisation |
| 01:53.49 | dpkg | For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization . Also ask me about <hyper-v>, <kvm>, <linux-vserver>, <lxc>, <openvz>, <pearpc>, <qemu>, <user mode linux>, <virtualbox>, <virtual pc>, <vmware>, <xen>, <xve>, <ksm>. |
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| 02:05.45 | blackjack | guys is debian + lamp a good thing for hosting webserver? |
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| 02:08.24 | nullvibe | the question is too vague |
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| 02:09.27 | blackjack | i mean, what are the benefits when installing debian + lamp |
| 02:09.35 | blackjack | when it comes to webserving |
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| 02:12.27 | PryMar56 | blackjack, you can do that completely free of python |
| 02:12.38 | themill | blackjack: by "lamp" I assume you mean Debian's apache, mysql and php packages? |
| 02:12.48 | rim-k | themill: +1 |
| 02:12.55 | blackjack | yes themill |
| 02:13.02 | themill | dpkg: tell blackjack about why debian |
| 02:13.03 | PryMar56 | that is a big benefit of debian.. its basic OS is free of python |
| 02:13.08 | themill | PryMar56: eh? |
| 02:15.26 | T-Rog | what's so bad about Python |
| 02:17.30 | PryMar56 | T-Rog, the RH clones have package manager yum, which is mostly python. The debian equivalents are much faster |
| 02:17.50 | dondelelcaro | nothing, really. In fact, there's nothing wrong about python which also isn't wrong about how Debian's base requires perl. |
| 02:17.51 | T-Rog | RH as in Red Hat? |
| 02:18.00 | T-Rog | the clones being Fedora and CentOS? |
| 02:18.09 | PryMar56 | affirm |
| 02:18.10 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:29.55 | cameron54545 | Hey guys im having trouble using my microphone |
| 02:30.31 | cameron54545 | i can hear it on the pc, but i cant use it in application |
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| 02:46.00 | drith | someone suggest me ssd for dell precission t3500 mostly java and c programming will be doing but have have ide |
| 02:46.16 | drith | *havy ide |
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| 02:48.23 | somiaj | drith: you might want to ask in ##hardware, that really isn't a debian specific question. |
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| 02:50.24 | drith | thanks somiaj will do that |
| 02:52.13 | cameron54545 | any proprietary drivers for vx 1000 lifecam |
| 02:52.20 | cameron54545 | or drivers that work better than standard |
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| 03:01.12 | TheFlipside | hey i love debian |
| 03:01.16 | svetlana | hi! thanks :) |
| 03:02.01 | svetlana | I've got a question -- how can I view (and navigate) dependency graph WITH total sizes of each graph node? something interactive. there is 'debtree' but it lacks the sizes info |
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| 03:14.57 | drith | anyone experiencing skype problems ? Connecting fine trough win*** but in linux says can't connect... |
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| 03:15.48 | TheFlipside | drith, no problems here on a linux mint machine |
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| 03:17.01 | drith | TheFlipside, thanks |
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| 03:18.39 | drith | can you tell me you version of skype? |
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| 03:19.42 | irinix | hey, I'm looking for a copy of the RTL8188EE driver & firmware for Wheezy, anyone know where I can get it? |
| 03:21.18 | drith | According to this post, skype versions older than 4.3 are unable to connect as of today (2014-08-01). |
| 03:21.26 | drith | It's clear now |
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| 03:22.32 | relaxed | irinix: run "dmesg | grep firmware", then install apt-file, run "sudo apt-file update", sudo apt-file search <name of firmware from the grep command>" |
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| 03:23.43 | irinix | relaxed, the laptop I need this on has NO network access right now. |
| 03:24.00 | svetlana | why not? |
| 03:24.15 | relaxed | irinix: then give me the name of the file from grepping dmesg and I'll tell you. |
| 03:24.18 | irinix | because I don't have an ethernet cable, and it's not my router |
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| 03:24.27 | irinix | relaxed, one sec |
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| 03:25.02 | irinix | relaxed: dmesg returned null |
| 03:25.09 | somiaj | irinix: you can copy the firmware .deb (or file) over to the machine with a usbdrive or another method if that is all you are missing. see if it is missing firmware else find the chipset of your wifi card |
| 03:25.29 | irinix | somiaj it is a 10ec:8179 |
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| 03:25.43 | irinix | which is covered in the package rtl8188ee |
| 03:26.05 | irinix | but the only version of that package I can find on backports needs compilation, which I can't do from this windows machine. |
| 03:26.16 | somiaj | ,pciid 10ec:8179 |
| 03:26.17 | judd | [10ec:8179] is 'RTL8188EE Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in wheezy but has kernel module 'rtl8188ee' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8179 |
| 03:26.37 | relaxed | irinix: huh? You should get a "firmware: failed to load ..." from dmesg |
| 03:26.42 | somiaj | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 03:26.43 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.41~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.43 |
| 03:27.50 | somiaj | irinix: that link isn't saying that it is fully supported, but as relaxed said if you don't see a failed to load mesage, it could be another issue besides firmware. What kernel are you using? |
| 03:28.09 | irinix | looks like 3.2.04 |
| 03:28.19 | irinix | amd64 |
| 03:28.34 | somiaj | might have to download the backported 3.14 kernel and assoicated packages and install them to get support on that card |
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| 03:28.46 | irinix | fuuuuuuuuuu |
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| 03:29.53 | irinix | there is a package in jesse,do you think that would work on wheezy, or would it throw a fit? |
| 03:29.55 | drith | i hate m$ should backup all my history of skype |
| 03:29.58 | drith | bastardos |
| 03:30.04 | irinix | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-realtek |
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| 03:30.57 | somiaj | irinix: no get the packages from backports. It looks like it is a kernel issue, first upgrade to the backported 3.14 kernel. Then install the firmware from backports as well, they are both there |
| 03:31.26 | irinix | somiaj, that is easier said than done. This is a fresh install on this machine. |
| 03:31.35 | sandman13 | irinix: that's easy |
| 03:31.55 | somiaj | just download 3-4 packages, and install them with dpkg -i, reboot, should be all that is needed. |
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| 03:32.34 | irinix | wait, if I'm on 3.2 why is 3.14 an upgraded kernel? |
| 03:32.47 | sandman13 | I have done it |
| 03:33.39 | somiaj | 3.2 is the default kernel that comes with wheezy (that is fully secure and all that). whezy-backports provides a newer kernel that supports newer hardware which is probabaly what you need. |
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| 03:35.33 | irinix | somiaj, how do I set the installer to use the backported kernel? This way I can just wipe the new install and start again? |
| 03:36.17 | somiaj | there is no way to do that, these are additional packages you have to install. You just need to download the 5ish .deb files from packages.debian.org then copy them over to the machine. |
| 03:36.57 | rhizome | what's a good regular calculator? galculator sucks. xfce if it matters |
| 03:37.59 | somiaj | rhizome: for a simple or scientific calc, xcalc has been fine for me |
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| 03:39.54 | drith | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZdE1tMuviw |
| 03:40.16 | drith | sorry mistake |
| 03:41.59 | TheFlipside | franck sarrio! |
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| 03:43.07 | drith | yeo |
| 03:43.09 | drith | yep |
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| 04:12.18 | wabi | y0 |
| 04:12.29 | Amgine | 0y |
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| 04:14.39 | wabi | i just installed debian wheezy but dont know the default user/pass |
| 04:15.03 | wabi | tried debian / temppwd but no |
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| 04:16.08 | sandman13 | wabi: what password did you set during install? |
| 04:16.23 | wabi | i think i didnt set it |
| 04:16.30 | sandman13 | then it should be blank |
| 04:16.51 | sandman13 | hit Return key |
| 04:17.14 | wabi | i tried |
| 04:17.26 | wabi | what about the username? i didnt set a user eather |
| 04:17.28 | uforek | wabi, reboot, in grub add init=/bin/bash to the kernel line |
| 04:17.38 | uforek | then remount / as rw |
| 04:17.49 | uforek | e.g. mount -rw -o remount / |
| 04:17.55 | uforek | and finally, do passwd |
| 04:18.21 | sandman13 | doesn't recovery mode do that |
| 04:18.29 | sandman13 | I don't know much |
| 04:18.37 | uforek | i think single user requires root pass |
| 04:18.45 | sandman13 | oh |
| 04:18.52 | uforek | i've always spawned a shell off the kernel line |
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| 04:20.23 | sandman13 | I don't have i3 installed but it still shows up on the login screen. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 04:21.32 | uforek | maybe you didn't get rid of it fully |
| 04:21.46 | wabi | in grub i press "e" and add that line to the end right? |
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| 04:21.55 | sandman13 | wabi: yes |
| 04:22.07 | wabi | i did that but i still get the login prompt |
| 04:22.09 | uforek | to the end of the kernel line |
| 04:22.31 | sandman13 | uforek: I did 'apt-get remove i3 && apt-get autoremove && apt-get purge i3' |
| 04:22.31 | wabi | im not sure if that was the kernel like, there were several lines, ill check again |
| 04:22.32 | uforek | vmlinuz.... init=/bin/bash, then hit F10 or Ctrl+X |
| 04:22.51 | uforek | sandman13, did that remove i3-wm package? |
| 04:23.35 | sandman13 | there it is |
| 04:23.40 | sandman13 | thanks uforek |
| 04:24.01 | uforek | nice |
| 04:24.23 | sandman13 | done |
| 04:25.02 | uforek | wabi, do you have access to a sudo user account? |
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| 04:26.03 | sandman13 | uforek: I don't think he has access to sudo user account |
| 04:26.16 | sandman13 | it still required root access to edit or add user to sudo |
| 04:26.38 | uforek | ah... so i think the only way it is to spawn a shell via the kernel options |
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| 04:27.14 | wabi | now i did it right |
| 04:27.26 | uforek | yep, did you remount root rw? |
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| 04:28.29 | wabi | ya |
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| 04:29.50 | uforek | cool -- well i'm off. |
| 04:30.12 | wabi | thank you |
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| 04:55.44 | irinix | okay getting some more info from dmesg now |
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| 04:56.11 | irinix | firmware failed to load rtlwifi rtl8188efw.bin direct firmware load failed with error -2. |
| 04:56.18 | irinix | This is in the installer for jessie herself |
| 04:57.26 | irinix | I downloaded the Jessie non-free firmware package as tar.gz and placed all the firmware files in the firmware directory |
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| 05:02.52 | cameron54545 | i just bundle installed something as root, breaking it for non-rooties |
| 05:03.05 | cameron54545 | how do i undo the atrocities i just commited |
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| 05:05.16 | cameron54545 | oh no.. |
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| 05:10.16 | cameron54545 | if i reinstall everything |
| 05:10.18 | jmcnaught | cameron54545: it depends on what you installed and where you installed it. The first place to check is the INSTALL/README that came with whatever you installed. Hopefully it installed to /usr/local |
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| 05:10.41 | cameron54545 | it installed to /opt/ |
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| 05:11.33 | jmcnaught | cameron54545: what's broken for non root users? |
| 05:11.50 | cameron54545 | is this information crucial |
| 05:12.43 | jmcnaught | cameron54545: sorry i can't help you with software that you won't name, or stuff that's broken in ways you won't define. |
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| 05:13.59 | cameron54545 | metasploit is what i installed |
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| 05:14.59 | svetlana | (resent #1) how can I view (and navigate) dependency graph WITH total sizes of each graph node? something interactive. there is 'debtree' but it lacks the sizes info |
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| 05:15.33 | jmcnaught | cameron54545: It probably came with INSTALL, README or other documentation that describes how to install/uninstall/configure the software. Or you might try to find a metasploit channel. |
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| 05:18.08 | cameron54545 | i found the read me :) |
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| 05:20.55 | cameron54545 | well... |
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| 05:21.03 | cameron54545 | time to delete a file :) |
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| 05:26.22 | cameron54545 | i think all that happened was it modified my source.lists and just plopped the metasploit-framework file in opt |
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| 05:27.14 | cameron54545 | so i think deleting the msf folder will uninstall it |
| 05:27.41 | cameron54545 | then again i have no idea what im doing |
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| 05:29.52 | irinix | cameron54545, I feel ya there. |
| 05:30.32 | irinix | crap if/when I get this stupid laptop working I'm going to have about 10000000000 packages to install just to have a "usable" system. |
| 05:30.37 | irinix | I hate base system installs |
| 05:30.56 | cameron54545 | i like them |
| 05:30.59 | SirLagz | irinix: i love base system installs ! don't need to remove any crud ! |
| 05:31.17 | irinix | SirLagz, they have their purpose, and it's how I set up ALL my servers. |
| 05:31.59 | cameron54545 | transitioning from windows... in regards of uninstalling software.. having ptsd from the registry |
| 05:32.07 | SirLagz | irinix: same, though I haven't setup any servers in a little while |
| 05:32.30 | irinix | However, I use debian because 99% of the time it Just Works (tm) with the hardware I'm dropping it on |
| 05:32.41 | irinix | however...this toshiba c55-a |
| 05:32.49 | irinix | s network card is apparently un supported. |
| 05:33.10 | SirLagz | fun times. what NIC ? |
| 05:33.19 | irinix | rtl8179 |
| 05:33.31 | SirLagz | that sounds like a wifi nic |
| 05:33.37 | irinix | indeed. |
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| 05:33.59 | irinix | I have the firmware and the drivers on my jessie flash drive |
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| 05:34.07 | irinix | yet dmesg shows error -2 |
| 05:34.17 | SirLagz | irinix: faulty ? |
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| 05:34.40 | irinix | firmware failed to load rtlwifi rtl8188efw.bin direct firmware load failed with error -2. |
| 05:34.54 | irinix | ^^Is the exact message |
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| 05:35.53 | irinix | and since dpkg drops out when i go back after installing the base system, I can't even try installing it from .deb |
| 05:36.07 | SirLagz | drops out ? |
| 05:36.48 | irinix | <<just realized he's kinda stupid. |
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| 05:38.52 | irinix | in any event, I'm trying to install jessie, which claims to include the drivers. |
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| 05:40.17 | irinix | and it just refuses to cooperate. |
| 05:40.34 | irinix | hence my bitch about base system installs. |
| 05:41.39 | irinix | Maybe I'll just install dos 6.22 / win 3.11 |
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| 05:45.19 | LtL | irinix: theres a reason it's called 'testing.' |
| 05:45.44 | irinix | LtL yes, I know. Usually when stable fails me, testing works great |
| 05:46.02 | LtL | ironic, isn't it |
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| 05:46.30 | irinix | it is. |
| 05:46.38 | irinix | but in this instance both of them are failing me. |
| 05:46.42 | irinix | =( |
| 05:50.40 | irinix | What would my best course of action here be? |
| 05:51.19 | LtL | irinix: what exactly fails with stable for instance |
| 05:53.00 | irinix | LtL same thing. Except with stable I have to backport several packages to the base system. Some of which I can't build as I'm on a windows box atm. Unstable fails at loading the firmware though I have it ready to rock. I'm going to try to get the .deb and see what dpkg has to say. I can't build a new kernel because Build-Essential is not installed as part of base-system |
| 05:53.12 | irinix | so backporting to stable is no beuno either. |
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| 05:54.29 | somiaj | sounds like you need to get ahold of a ethernet cable or a supported usb wifi device. |
| 05:55.16 | irinix | which means I bricked my wife's laptop. =D |
| 05:55.43 | LtL | its not bricked |
| 05:56.02 | irinix | nah I can install just about anything else on there. |
| 05:56.14 | irinix | hell I have a term. =P |
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| 05:59.48 | irinix | the kernel module for the driver IS installed |
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| 06:00.06 | babilen | irinix: I am unsure about your precise question - I tried finding it in the backlog, but must have missed it. |
| 06:00.30 | irinix | babilen: it's more of a what should I try next to get this firmware loaded? |
| 06:00.46 | babilen | "this firmware" ? |
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| 06:00.54 | irinix | preferrably from the jessie installer RTL8188ee |
| 06:01.18 | irinix | the kernel driver is there, dmesg returns error -2 and I have no idea what that actually means. |
| 06:01.44 | babilen | dpkg: testing installer |
| 06:01.45 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:02.30 | babilen | You would need firmware-realtek for that. You can download the firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ and unpack it on the second partition on the stick (if you install from USB, you'd have to create a filesystem like vfat there first) |
| 06:03.16 | irinix | that's right too huh, it needs to be on a seperate fs |
| 06:03.20 | babilen | It would, however, be advisable to perform a minimal stable installation with http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ and upgrade that to testing. |
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| 06:04.40 | babilen | Our images contain two partitions, but no filesystem on the second. So, say, your usb stick is /dev/sdb and you've done "cp the_image.iso ; /dev/sdb ; sync" you would run "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb2" to create that filesystem and then mount it, unpack firmware.tar.gz there and then unmoun it. |
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| 06:05.48 | babilen | All of that is a moot point though as installations with the testing installer are, well, sort of a gamble as nobody *really* cares about it at this point in the release cycle. (Feel free to give it a try, but don't expect it to work) |
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| 06:07.51 | irinix | well holy sheet it took the package. |
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| 06:11.22 | T-Rog | Gtk-WARNING: Cannot open display |
| 06:11.27 | T-Rog | what the hell is going on |
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| 06:11.59 | babilen | T-Rog: Aren't you using SteamOS? |
| 06:12.02 | cameron54545 | after i finish studying mathematics i plan to learn assembly and c.. hopefully then i will understand my os better |
| 06:12.03 | T-Rog | no |
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| 06:12.14 | T-Rog | babilen: after hours of frustration I decided to reinstall debian |
| 06:12.16 | T-Rog | and now |
| 06:12.23 | T-Rog | Gtk-WARNING: Cannot open display |
| 06:12.32 | babilen | T-Rog: Well, obviously that application cannot open your display. |
| 06:12.40 | T-Rog | but it's the installer |
| 06:12.52 | T-Rog | it's the DEBIAN INSTALLER |
| 06:12.53 | babilen | Could you be more vague? |
| 06:13.01 | OERIAS | any successful ports of Unity? |
| 06:13.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell OERIAS -about unity |
| 06:13.24 | OERIAS | I know what Unity is. |
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| 06:13.41 | OERIAS | I was just asking if it is repos. |
| 06:13.44 | babilen | OERIAS: Yes, so read the RFP and learn about the process. |
| 06:14.01 | babilen | It is linked in that factoid which is why I asked the bot to sent it to you. |
| 06:15.06 | OERIAS | okay send it agin. |
| 06:15.09 | babilen | If you do not understand that terminology then please ask more precise questions or ask the bot about the factoids in <â¦> |
| 06:15.09 | Sir_Designer | what's the most current debianversion? |
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| 06:15.18 | Sir_Designer | in stable |
| 06:15.26 | OERIAS | Sir_Designer, version 7 |
| 06:15.32 | Sir_Designer | subversion # |
| 06:15.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell Sir_Designer -about 7.6 |
| 06:15.46 | T-Rog | I think I'm just going to give up on linux |
| 06:16.01 | themill | (perhaps reading the information rather than blindly rejecting it would be appropriate) |
| 06:16.01 | Sir_Designer | dpkg thank you |
| 06:16.01 | dpkg | Sir_Designer: my pleasure |
| 06:16.15 | Sir_Designer | you have a bot that answers thank yous? |
| 06:16.53 | T-Rog | apparently this only happens if I choose graphical install instead of 64-bit graphical install |
| 06:16.57 | babilen | T-Rog: It is important to ask precise questions rather. Which installer are you using? What are you doing that causes that error? What have you done with the image you downloaded? (and so on) |
| 06:17.00 | Sir_Designer | T-Rog what did linux do to ya? |
| 06:17.28 | T-Rog | babilen: debian-testing-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 06:17.34 | babilen | T-Rog: So, use the test install or the amd64 graphical install and be happy. |
| 06:17.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell T-Rog -about testing installer |
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| 06:19.51 | babilen | s/test install/text install/ btw |
| 06:20.35 | Sir_Designer | is it ok to update repository pointers from 6.0.6 to 7.5, or will that likely hose my 6.0.6? best to just get the current iso? |
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| 06:20.55 | somiaj | !tell Sir_Designer about squeeze->wheezy |
| 06:21.03 | somiaj | Sir_Designer: debian provides for upgrades from one release to the next |
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| 06:21.53 | Sir_Designer | and the likelihood of success is, um, high? or so so? |
| 06:21.58 | T-Rog | Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/ds5 -- Device or resource busy |
| 06:22.02 | T-Rog | should I ignore this error |
| 06:22.11 | somiaj | high if you read the release notes. Always back up, but debian goes though lots of testing to ensure upgrades work |
| 06:22.19 | OERIAS | boipussy |
| 06:22.20 | Sir_Designer | thank you |
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| 06:22.46 | petern_ | Sir_Designer, especially back up any databases. |
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| 06:23.00 | babilen | OERIAS: Totally inappropriate. Please find another venue for your puerily verbal effluent. |
| 06:23.09 | babilen | *puerile |
| 06:23.16 | Sir_Designer | i just have stubby virutalbox instances. really, i might as well get the iso. i just wanted to know for cases where I run old stuff on metal. |
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| 06:23.26 | babilen | OERIAS: Oh :-/ |
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| 06:23.47 | OERIAS | that was the name of someone else. |
| 06:24.24 | petern_ | Sir_Designer, I upgraded a few dozen production servers with no problems, apart from one which happened to suffer a hardware fault and never came alive again, heh... |
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| 06:24.32 | babilen | OERIAS: No, that was you. |
| 06:24.40 | Sir_Designer | petern_ yeah... |
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| 06:32.17 | dioz | sup OERIAS |
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| 06:37.11 | OERIAS | hey dioz |
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| 06:55.35 | Sir_Designer | T-Rog not sure what the problem is, but since my last message on this channel, I managed to launch a flawlessly simple and foolproff instal of Debain 7.6 on my iMac/virtualbox. It is populating the virtual disk now, and when it finishes, I will boot into it, in about 5 more mintues... |
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| 07:09.32 | irinix | Does the Live Stable CDImage include Build Essential? |
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| 07:32.49 | rawng_ | i need some help getting sshd to work. grepping ps output shows sshd running and nmap shows ssh running on port 22 but in closed state. iptables is default, accept everything. 'ssh localhost' gets the connection refused |
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| 07:36.50 | nitestryker | ps aux | grep ssh |
| 07:37.06 | nitestryker | see if sshd is running |
| 07:37.44 | rawng_ | i said it was, but your command shows "/usr/sbin/sshd -D" |
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| 07:40.22 | nitestryker | iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 07:41.58 | rawng_ | iptables -L > ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ssh |
| 07:42.09 | rawng_ | ssh localhost > connection refused |
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| 07:43.08 | nitestryker | iptables -A INPUT -j DROP |
| 07:43.09 | nitestryker | iptables -A OUTPUT -j DROP |
| 07:43.09 | nitestryker | iptables -A FORWARD -j DROP |
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| 07:43.33 | rawng_ | what will that do, if you don't mind my asking? |
| 07:43.47 | nitestryker | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.55 | nitestryker | then |
| 07:43.56 | nitestryker | iptables -L |
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| 07:44.44 | nf7 | My iPhone is nothing but a hassle with Linux. Is there a way to completely get the system to ignore it? I don't want it to do anything but supply it power. |
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| 07:44.51 | nitestryker | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.20 | nitestryker | iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 07:45.37 | nitestryker | change if not on eth0' |
| 07:46.24 | nitestryker | iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -p tcp --sport 22 -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 07:46.39 | nitestryker | for output |
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| 07:47.37 | somiaj | nf7: You might be able to configure udev to do it, but why not just plug in the iphone to a plug it will charge faster anyways |
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| 07:56.33 | rawng_ | really? |
| 07:56.54 | rawng_ | never thought I'd be trolled on #debian, but there you have it |
| 07:57.57 | nitestryker | what do you mean? |
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| 07:58.53 | rawng_ | I don't know anything about iptables, but questioned blanket DROP rules. decided to trust you anyway |
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| 07:59.25 | nitestryker | rawng_ : http://pastebin.com/YxjNTXwQ follow these instructions |
| 07:59.33 | rawng_ | drop input, forward and output is basically yanking the ethernet cord |
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| 08:00.29 | nitestryker | well its like doing netstat- release |
| 08:00.31 | nitestryker | on windows |
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| 08:00.33 | nitestryker | of course |
| 08:00.38 | nitestryker | i wasnt trolling you |
| 08:00.55 | nitestryker | I mean ipcofig /realse |
| 08:00.56 | nitestryker | sofft |
| 08:01.03 | rawng_ | well, internet connection stopped working completely. no webpages, didn't even get the irc disconnect message |
| 08:01.19 | nitestryker | well you have to do it |
| 08:01.22 | nitestryker | for it to work |
| 08:01.28 | nitestryker | it has to reset overthing |
| 08:01.33 | nitestryker | *everything |
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| 08:02.05 | nitestryker | if you dont belive me read this --- >http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/03/iptables-inbound-and-outbound-rules/ |
| 08:02.44 | rawng_ | well, i appreciate your help |
| 08:02.54 | rawng_ | either i misread your earlier commands, or you mistyped them in haste |
| 08:02.56 | nitestryker | read that article |
| 08:02.58 | nitestryker | it may help you |
| 08:03.23 | rawng_ | pretty sure you said iptables -A <type> -j DROP |
| 08:03.25 | nitestryker | finally my keyboard is working like it supposed to |
| 08:03.35 | rawng_ | which added a permanent rule, not just clearing things |
| 08:04.11 | rawng_ | looking at your links |
| 08:04.42 | nitestryker | -A - Append this rule to a rule chain |
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| 08:05.36 | nitestryker | Valid chains for what we're doing are INPUT, FORWARD and OUTPUT |
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| 08:06.53 | rawng_ | you're talking well above my level. again thanks for taking the time. |
| 08:07.53 | rawng_ | the second link will take some time to read and absorb, but, as far as i can see, if all chains are dropping all packets/connections, except for input ssh, the machine is essentially network dark |
| 08:07.55 | somiaj | rawng_: why are you wanting a firewall in the first place? |
| 08:07.59 | rawng_ | I don't. |
| 08:08.03 | rawng_ | I just want ssh to work |
| 08:08.34 | rawng_ | i don't think i ever requested help setting up a firewall... |
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| 08:08.46 | nitestryker | no its allowing connection to sshd port |
| 08:09.01 | somiaj | rawng_: I missed your original question. But by default there should be no firewall on debian |
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| 08:09.15 | rawng_ | somiaj: yes, that's what i reported in the message |
| 08:09.17 | nitestryker | do this and tell me what it says |
| 08:09.19 | nitestryker | sudo iptables -L |
| 08:09.32 | rawng_ | iptables is installed, but it had no rules |
| 08:09.47 | rawng_ | i mentioned it to try and rule out the possibility that it was being blocked that way |
| 08:10.13 | rawng_ | nitestryker: since i removed those drop commands, there's only 2 lines under INPUT |
| 08:10.22 | rawng_ | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:ssh |
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| 08:10.43 | somiaj | rawng_: by default there is no reules or iptables for debian. Could it be a router elsewhere you need to configure to get to your ssh port? |
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| 08:10.53 | nitestryker | rawng_: there isnt one for port 80 |
| 08:10.57 | nitestryker | http |
| 08:11.26 | rawng_ | somiaj: how would my router be blocking localhost? |
| 08:11.46 | rawng_ | nitestryker: no. I haven't constructed or run that script, or added anything from it's contents |
| 08:11.50 | nitestryker | sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 08:12.01 | rawng_ | nite... i don't need to do that |
| 08:12.18 | rawng_ | i'm not concerned with setting up a proper firewall or anything |
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| 08:12.29 | rawng_ | with no rules concerning port 80 or http, it's all allowed by default |
| 08:12.52 | nitestryker | you can try iptables-restore if you want |
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| 08:13.04 | rawng_ | thank you |
| 08:13.13 | rawng_ | i'm fairly sure the problem isn't iptables though |
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| 08:13.45 | somiaj | rawng_: ps fax | grep sshd (is the sshd serer running)? |
| 08:14.15 | nitestryker | lol |
| 08:14.18 | rawng_ | somiaj: yes it is running, your command shows "/usr/sbin/sshd -D" |
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| 08:14.23 | nitestryker | that was so 30 mins ago |
| 08:14.31 | nitestryker | lol |
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| 08:15.22 | rawng_ | nmap shows ssh running on port 22/tcp but closed |
| 08:15.31 | somiaj | rawng_: now look at 'netstat -tpl' see if ssh is listening and on what ports. |
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| 08:16.16 | rawng_ | tcp 0 0 WhiteEMachine.local:ssh *:* LISTEN 13037/sshd |
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| 08:17.01 | nitestryker | well something is blocking in |
| 08:17.08 | nitestryker | because if its running it should be connecting |
| 08:17.14 | somiaj | it is only listening on the interface WhiteEMachine.local is that the same as localhost, if not explains why localhost is not accepting |
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| 08:17.46 | rawng_ | nitestryker, somiaj, my thoughts as well.. |
| 08:17.53 | somiaj | so what ip does WhiteEMachine.local respond to? |
| 08:18.13 | rawng_ | I am not sure what your question means... this is for LAN use only |
| 08:18.21 | nitestryker | 13037 |
| 08:18.25 | rawng_ | 127.0.0.1 is localhost, lan ip is 192.168.0.14 |
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| 08:18.34 | somiaj | rawng_: do a ping WhiteEMachine.local, what ip is it |
| 08:18.50 | somiaj | rawng_: or better yet just do 'ssh WhiteEMachine.local' |
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| 08:19.04 | rawng_ | 192.168.0.14 |
| 08:19.17 | rawng_ | hey! |
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| 08:19.30 | rawng_ | unknown identity |
| 08:19.43 | rawng_ | worked |
| 08:19.52 | somiaj | ssh is only listening on that address and is not listening on localhost. Somehow your configuration was set up so it wasn't listening on localhost, hence you could not connect |
| 08:19.53 | rawng_ | why does localhost / 127.0.0.1 not work then? |
| 08:20.10 | rawng_ | any relavent files come to mind? |
| 08:20.12 | somiaj | because sshd is not listening on that ip, as your netstat output said, it is only listening on the ip assoicated with that name. |
| 08:20.17 | somiaj | check /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 08:20.27 | rawng_ | I don't remember seeing anything in sshd_config or ssh_config, but i'll look again |
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| 08:21.18 | somiaj | rawng_: the output of netstat should have looked like "*:ssh" that says it is listening on all interfaces on port ssh |
| 08:21.30 | nitestryker | Change #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 to ListenAddress 127.0.0.1, taking note to remove the leading # |
| 08:21.44 | rawng_ | ooh, listenaddress eh? |
| 08:21.51 | rawng_ | story time.. |
| 08:22.06 | rawng_ | this machine has been turned off for over 6 months |
| 08:22.09 | somiaj | but your output was WhiteEMachine.local:ssh so it was only listening on on the ip assoicated with that namein your hosts file |
| 08:22.21 | rawng_ | before that I was using it and ssh was working just fine |
| 08:22.30 | somiaj | you don't want to change ListenAddress to 127.0.0.1 if you want to connect to it on other ips. |
| 08:22.34 | rawng_ | turned it on a few days ago and did a dist-upgrade |
| 08:23.25 | rawng_ | that's when ssh trouble started. I was looking in sshd_config and saw that ListenAddress was set to 192.168.0.15 (don't know/remember why), and changed it to it's current lan ip, 192.168.0.14 |
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| 08:23.44 | somiaj | rawng_: turn it to 0.0.0.0 that is listen on all address |
| 08:23.54 | alipoor90 | How Can I add items to Gnome 3 right click menu? |
| 08:23.56 | somiaj | or jjust comment out that line |
| 08:24.31 | BlueEagle | Hello. I am having huge issues getting TechnicLauncher.jar to work on my box. I have tried Oracle-Java7-jre, -Java8-jre and openjdk-7-jre, but all crash with a java.lang.NullPointerException. Any ideas? |
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| 08:24.44 | rawng_ | somiaj: thank you very much, I just commented it out |
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| 08:24.51 | rawng_ | working just fine now |
| 08:24.52 | nitestryker | or you could just /etc/hosts.allow`: |
| 08:24.52 | nitestryker | sshd: ALL |
| 08:25.02 | rawng_ | nitestryker: thank you for your help as well |
| 08:25.05 | somiaj | nitestryker: that would not effect his issue |
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| 08:25.12 | rawng_ | and sorry for accusing you of trolling me ;) |
| 08:25.16 | nitestryker | lol |
| 08:25.37 | somiaj | BlueEagle: I would ask the people you got the .jar from? Is this a jar you got form somewhere outside of debian? |
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| 08:26.58 | BlueEagle | somiaj: Indeed it is. I have been through the forums, but haven't found anything. Or rather, what I have found has been solved by installing Oracle-java7-jre, which does not resolve my issue. :/ |
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| 08:27.27 | somiaj | BlueEagle: How did you install Oracle-java7-jre? Are you sure you are actually using oracle's java and not the one you installed though debian? |
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| 08:28.12 | nitestryker | i have a raspberry pi with raspbian on it |
| 08:29.09 | BlueEagle | somiaj: apt-get install oracle-java7-jre oracle-java7-set-default |
| 08:29.29 | nitestryker | i installed retro pi on it which is pretty nice |
| 08:29.31 | somiaj | nitestryker: nice, you do know raspbian is not supported here, though if you want to talk about your gagets there is #debian-offtopic |
| 08:29.40 | nitestryker | nah |
| 08:29.43 | nitestryker | i dont care |
| 08:29.56 | somiaj | BlueEagle: debian does not provide such packages, what third party repo did you use to get those packages? |
| 08:29.57 | nitestryker | i dont care if its not supported here |
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| 08:30.00 | nitestryker | i dont give a shit' |
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| 08:31.30 | BlueEagle | somiaj: I followed this guide https://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun |
| 08:31.48 | BlueEagle | No, that's not the one (but I tried that too) |
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| 08:32.26 | somiaj | that is probabaly outdated, can you please do 'apt-cache policy oracle-java7-jre' for me and put the output at paste.debian.net |
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| 08:33.01 | somiaj | when orcale took over java debian no longer distributed it, you must get it from orcale and I didn't know they set up a repo. I would suggest java-package or installing it in /usr/local |
| 08:33.45 | Rawng | one more question regarding ssh, when i attempt to log in from putty on a windows machine there is a very long delay between entering the user name and it asking me for the password |
| 08:33.51 | Rawng | is there a setting somewhere that may affect this? |
| 08:33.56 | Rawng | this is over lan |
| 08:34.47 | BlueEagle | somiaj: In an attempt to re-do everything I cleared the entries I had in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, now I no longer have the candidates. It did have one for wheezy in there though. Of course now I cannot find them again. :/ |
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| 08:36.28 | somiaj | BlueEagle: well I wouldn't trust some random repo a good way to mess things up. Either way my suggestion is to either use 'java-package' or just take the .tar from oracle and put it in /usr/local. Then you'll have to setup your links/path such that that version of java gets used on your .jar, can't be of much more help than that. |
| 08:38.27 | somiaj | Rawng: I can't think of anything, do you have another non-windows machine on the lan you see if you get the same thing. It might just be something strange with your network setup |
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| 08:38.45 | xalyy | Hello all! |
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| 08:38.50 | Rawng | somiaj, thanks |
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| 08:39.18 | BlueEagle | somiaj: I have now downloaded java7jre and 8jre from oracle. I have extracted them to temporary directories and attempt to run ./java -jar /path/to/tekkit.jar, and I receive the same error all over. Is there some environment variable I need to set as well? |
| 08:39.34 | xalyy | Can I get some help about dedicated server? I just installed debian and first time log in what is this exactly? "Dear customer, If you want to use your own kernel, please make sure you don't touch the kernel boot parameters (append) as some of our hardware requires the parameters acpi=ht and/or noapic." |
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| 08:40.57 | somiaj | BlueEagle: you could try to set $JAVA_HOME=/path/to/java/dir |
| 08:41.39 | somiaj | BlueEagle: not sure if that would help or not, but we have kinda exited debian support. Maybe someone with better java knowledge could help but I would look at java support places and try to figure out what that error is |
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| 08:42.49 | somiaj | xalyy: check /etc/default/grub do you see those parameters acpi=ht and/or noacpi listed in that file? |
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| 08:43.32 | somiaj | xalyy: they are just boot parameters that seem to be needed to get their hardware working. For the most part if they configure it to work with the default debian kernel, just stick with that. I think it is a warning if you wanted some other custom kernel. |
| 08:43.41 | somiaj | xalyy: also what is the output of uname -a |
| 08:44.33 | xalyy | somiaj: #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 08:44.37 | BlueEagle | somiaj: I thank you for your effort, however running either 32 or 64 bit java version 7 or 8 does not appear to work, sadly. |
| 08:44.41 | BlueEagle | http://paste.debian.net/113268/ |
| 08:44.54 | xalyy | A question, they not provided KVM over IP can I install windows to it? |
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| 08:45.51 | somiaj | xalyy: it is just a warning, just stick with the stock debian kernels and you should be fine. |
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| 08:46.11 | somiaj | xalyy: you could install what ever you want on that, but most servers do not install xorg, people just connect via ssh |
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| 08:46.41 | xalyy | somiaj: But how is it possible to install windows without KVM>? |
| 08:47.11 | somiaj | xalyy: what do you mean by windows? |
| 08:47.26 | jvelasquez_ | BlueEagle, wow. I just downloaded TechnicLauncher.jar and typed java -jar TechnicLauncher.jar, and it works... |
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| 08:47.56 | somiaj | BlueEagle: it could be just a bad .jar. |
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| 08:48.12 | somiaj | or you have some strange setup going on |
| 08:48.30 | jvelasquez_ | how about selinux ? |
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| 08:49.03 | jvelasquez_ | I just downloaded the jar, I've got a md5sum of 0d239fbb7efe976adecb0656d8f2ea0b TechnicLauncher.jar |
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| 08:50.22 | jvelasquez_ | BlueEagle, how much linux experience you got? did you check all the basics? `which java`, ls -l `which java`, etc..? |
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| 08:50.40 | somiaj | xalyy: also what do you mean by KVM, I understand that for virtual machiens and do not know what this would have to do with 'windows' |
| 08:50.52 | xalyy | Back |
| 08:51.02 | xalyy | somiaj: I mean windows by windows :P |
| 08:51.03 | jvelasquez_ | Keyboard, Video, Mouse |
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| 08:51.05 | xalyy | Windows 7 or server |
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| 08:51.27 | jvelasquez_ | xalyy, yes. there's automated installs. |
| 08:51.28 | BlueEagle | jvelasquez_: Not very much with java tbh. |
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| 08:52.08 | jvelasquez_ | xalyy, you have to pass the install a configuration file of all your input |
| 08:52.10 | xalyy | But I dont talkin about virtual server this is a dedicated server and it has KVM (Dell iDrac or whatever) |
| 08:52.13 | somiaj | xalyy: If you want to install windows this is not the correct channel, there is ##windows. I'm sure there is a method to install windows on a server style box but that is offtopic here. |
| 08:52.51 | xalyy | I am not sure they will know linux experience :P |
| 08:53.11 | xalyy | I wan't to install windows with linux, understand? :D |
| 08:53.12 | jvelasquez_ | BlueEagle, I've seen selinux, or that stack code execution protection bit scheme cause java to break. |
| 08:53.13 | BlueEagle | somiaj: I have downloaded it three times. I hope it was not broken all three times tbh. |
| 08:53.15 | jdoles | Just out of interest: are there any innovative Debian projects? I.e., those which relate to the operating system. |
| 08:53.26 | BlueEagle | jvelasquez_: I do not know what that is. |
| 08:53.44 | jdoles | E.g. Red Hat has various such projects, some of them useful, some of them not so much. |
| 08:54.03 | jvelasquez_ | BlueEagle, heard of hackers doing buffer overflow attacks to execute code? |
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| 08:54.25 | somiaj | xalyy: If you want to run windows as a guest, https://wiki.debian.org/KVM, you can connect to the vms remotely just fine. |
| 08:54.51 | xalyy | No |
| 08:55.07 | somiaj | xalyy: so you want to have your server dual boot? How is this a debian question? |
| 08:55.08 | jvelasquez_ | BlueEagle, selinux and other schemes to prevent buffer overflow attacks, I've seen, break java. had to mark java as exception. |
| 08:55.15 | xalyy | I wan't to install it to just only windows be there not as a virtual server :P |
| 08:55.20 | xalyy | Not dual boot jsut windows |
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| 08:56.33 | somiaj | xalyy: then this is not the correct place for support. |
| 08:56.50 | jvelasquez_ | xalyy, using a KVM through a linux box? |
| 08:57.09 | xalyy | jve: Thats not possible because they did not provide it. |
| 08:57.30 | jvelasquez_ | xalyy, so how does linux come into this story? |
| 08:57.52 | xalyy | My only choice are linux os's. |
| 08:57.59 | jvelasquez_ | lol |
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| 08:58.04 | xalyy | So it's not possible to install windows with linux? |
| 08:58.32 | jvelasquez_ | xalyy, probably is possible. but not typically the easiest way. |
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| 08:58.53 | xalyy | I mean an example what I am talking about: On windows you put the linux CD or mount the iso, the setup shows up, you start it up and then it reboots and bam linux installed. |
| 08:58.58 | somiaj | either way this is offtopic. Go find a windows server if that is what youwant. |
| 08:59.03 | xalyy | You cant do the same on linux? |
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| 08:59.33 | jvelasquez_ | would be easier to just put the disk in the machine and boot. |
| 08:59.37 | BlueEagle | somiaj jvelasquez_: It is me being an idiot. I have run Technick launcher before and had a Ì~./technic directory. Removing that appears to have resolved the issue. Thank you both for your efforts and apologies for my dumbness. |
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| 08:59.59 | jvelasquez_ | BlueEagle, do you know any css? |
| 09:00.23 | BlueEagle | jvelasquez_: cascading style sheets? I do know some, yes. |
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| 09:01.40 | xalyy | I assume I cant. |
| 09:01.44 | xalyy | So next possibility |
| 09:01.46 | trewas | jdoles: redhat is a large company which pays for a lot of linux development, debian cannot compare because it doesn't pay for any work |
| 09:01.52 | jvelasquez_ | i spent 5 hours trying to get the pink area to be overflow-y scroll: https://intradev.hawaii.hawaii.edu/path/Reports/schedule# |
| 09:01.57 | xalyy | I could install proxmox on debian, what do you think guys? |
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| 09:02.48 | jvelasquez_ | xalyy, I like postfix. |
| 09:02.58 | xalyy | Postfix? |
| 09:03.12 | jvelasquez_ | xalyy, but it required a few years to learn the in's and out's. |
| 09:03.28 | xalyy | I dont understand what are you saying? |
| 09:03.30 | jvelasquez_ | postfix, i think it's the best MTA |
| 09:04.15 | jvelasquez_ | xalyy, i use postfix, never tried proxmox, but it looks like junk. but does some config stuff for you. |
| 09:04.37 | xalyy | Postfix is virtualization? |
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| 09:05.11 | jvelasquez_ | lol |
| 09:05.17 | jvelasquez_ | proxmox uses Posfix!! |
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| 09:06.00 | BlueEagle | jvelasquez_: It would be easier for me if you could describe how you would like the pink area to appear, and what is wrong with the current. I haven't done this in a while. ;) |
| 09:06.00 | xalyy | Is it? :P |
| 09:06.19 | jvelasquez_ | looks like Proxmox is a branded version of postfix, with all the managment stuffs. |
| 09:06.50 | jvelasquez_ | xalyy, email can get super complicated. licenses could be almost worth it. |
| 09:07.18 | jvelasquez_ | BlueEagle, I want to be able to scroll vertically, the middle section. |
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| 09:07.49 | xalyy | Email? |
| 09:07.59 | xalyy | I need virtualization not email server :P You crazy? :D |
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| 09:09.40 | BlueEagle | jvelasquez_: So you want an independent scroll for the content than for the menu? |
| 09:09.45 | abator | is this command ok to run on debian. ln -s ../build-tools/17.0.0/lib lib |
| 09:09.58 | BlueEagle | jvelasquez_: We're off topic for this channel. PM? |
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| 09:12.22 | jvelasquez_ | BlueEagle, nevermind. I'm going to workaround the problem for now. and assign a kid to solve it. |
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| 09:15.23 | somiaj | abator: do you mean /lib at the end, you should put custom stuff in /usr/local/lib as to keep the stuff in /lib, /usr/lib, /usr, etc only for debian packages. |
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| 09:18.13 | abator | somiaj: ty for responding, im trying to fix this. not related to debian directly. but thought may be that is the solution to the problem. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16588969/android-hello-world-compile-error-intellij-cannot-find-aapt |
| 09:20.29 | abator | if that command is secure to run then no issue to execute it |
| 09:20.46 | abator | i have no detail of the command |
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| 09:22.02 | somiaj | abator: oh yea those commands are fine provided you are inside the AndroidSDK/platofrm-tools directory |
| 09:22.18 | somiaj | abator: putting a link inside a user dir like that is fine |
| 09:22.40 | abator | oh ok, thanks a lot. now i will do it |
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| 09:51.36 | pie_ | Is there some way I can get mumble 1.2.7 on debian wheezy? the latest in packages is 1.2.3, gcc 4.7.2 is too new to compile the ice libs required for compiling mumble |
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| 09:55.36 | Nik05 | pie_ 1.2.8 is in testing and sid, maybe you can backport it |
| 09:55.49 | Nik05 | ,v mumble |
| 09:55.50 | judd | Package: mumble on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u1; jessie: 1.2.8~7~g76f6870-2; sid: 1.2.8~7~g76f6870-2 |
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| 09:56.47 | pie_ | umm Nik05 how hard would that be? |
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| 09:59.00 | Nik05 | pie_ no idea |
| 09:59.24 | pie_ | well thanks ill look into it i guess |
| 09:59.42 | pksadiq | pie_: Did you try apt-get build-dep mumble? |
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| 10:01.19 | Nik05 | pie_ looks like its going to be a mess... |
| 10:01.52 | Nik05 | ,checkbackport mumble |
| 10:02.02 | judd | Backporting package mumble in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libzeroc-ice35-dev, ice35-translators, ice35-slice. |
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| 10:02.35 | pie_ | well ive built zeroc35 from source |
| 10:02.45 | pie_ | wait but hold on, wtf |
| 10:02.55 | pie_ | i tried compiling mumble from git |
| 10:03.10 | pie_ | and it expected zeroc34 or something |
| 10:03.12 | pie_ | looks |
| 10:03.19 | pie_ | :C |
| 10:03.46 | Nik05 | ,checkbackport ice35 |
| 10:03.47 | judd | No package named 'ice35' was found in sid/i386. |
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| 10:04.00 | Nik05 | ,checkbackport libzeroc-ice35-dev |
| 10:04.01 | judd | Backporting package libzeroc-ice35-dev in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends-Indep: libjgoodies-looks-java (>= 2.5.2), libjgoodies-forms-java (>= 1.6.0). |
| 10:04.10 | pie_ | how did they build it with 3.5?? |
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| 10:04.50 | Nik05 | pie_ no idea but its mumble 1.2.8~something |
| 10:05.43 | virtuals_temp | hey guys, could somebody help me with setting my keyboard map to fi after wheezy upgrade broke it, and its set to us now, I set it to fi during install and it worked then, I googled the issue and tried many different things |
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| 10:06.04 | virtuals_temp | if I drop to a console I have fi keymap there, but not in lxde |
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| 10:07.05 | virtuals_temp | I could also load the fi keymap in autostart, but then I still have us keymap in login screen |
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| 10:10.40 | clark__ | hi all, I want to set up a system that I can rollback to a earlier state. do anybody know about some app that let me do that ? |
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| 10:11.17 | pie_ | Nik05: wtf *sigh* 1.2.8 doesnt even seem to exist? |
| 10:11.17 | Brigo | clark__, may be a good backup. |
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| 10:11.38 | pie_ | nvm i think i found it |
| 10:12.14 | Nik05 | pie_ probably development branch |
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| 10:12.21 | clark__ | Brigo, what do you mean ? |
| 10:12.39 | pie_ | Nik05: no just doesnt seem to be linked to anywhere |
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| 10:12.46 | pie_ | afaict at least |
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| 10:12.59 | pie_ | found it here via google http://mumble.info/snapshot/ |
| 10:13.06 | Brigo | clark__, you can make a backup at some point and when you want restore it. |
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| 10:16.47 | pie_ | there isnt even a 1.2.8 tag on the github |
| 10:16.55 | pie_ | its like some phantom release |
| 10:16.58 | clark__ | Brigo, no that is not an option |
| 10:17.02 | clark__ | what I should like to be able to do is to always have the current md5sum or some other measurement over installed files on my system, then doing a apt-get install I can calculate a new one and then running something like apt-get purge I can check that the system have the same state as earlier |
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| 10:18.01 | babilen | clark__: Look into snapshots (e.g. lvm, btrfs, ..) or run your box in a virtual machine and snapshot that. (e.g. kvm is nice) |
| 10:18.06 | Brigo | clark__, you are thinking in packages only? |
| 10:18.07 | SynrGy | clark__: VM |
| 10:18.17 | SynrGy | ah, as babilen suggested |
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| 10:18.55 | clark__ | Brigo, yes |
| 10:19.06 | Brigo | then you can backup the package list with dpkg get-selections > package.list |
| 10:19.16 | Brigo | then you can backup the package list with dpkg --get-selections > package.list |
| 10:19.17 | petern_ | Hmm, anyone have a list of initscripts to disable/remove when running as an LXC guest? |
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| 10:20.56 | babilen | petern_: Why would have you have to disable anything? (I mostly use it for some docker lightweight vm stuff (yes, I know) and it works fine with all of them) |
| 10:21.41 | SynrGy | Brigo, clark__: simply saving the package list will help you track which packages you have so you can uninstall them later. however, downgrades are not supported by apt. |
| 10:22.20 | SynrGy | also, --get-selections saves dpkg's "desired state" |
| 10:22.23 | SynrGy | not its actual state |
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| 10:22.28 | clark__ | Brigo, I now have a clean install and the Idea is that every-time I install something I calculate a new md5sum (or somthing) and then at the same time make sure I can remove the files just installed to get my old system back. Just saving the package files don't tell me if somthing changed on the system |
| 10:22.29 | petern_ | babilen, http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3569/ |
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| 10:22.47 | petern_ | babilen, i mean, it works, but kinda ugly :p |
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| 10:22.57 | SynrGy | clark__: then that is not "packages only". that's at a per file level |
| 10:23.27 | babilen | petern_: Hmm, okay. Would have to gather information too :-/ |
| 10:23.54 | clark__ | SynrGy, yes, one option should be to have a script file I can run to rolback the system |
| 10:23.55 | tremon | clark__: are you familiar with debsums? |
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| 10:24.23 | babilen | clark__: You cannot "roll back" a system in-situ |
| 10:24.50 | tremon | it will not do a system-wide checksum, but it will allow you to monitor if package files deviate from their packaged state |
| 10:24.51 | babilen | You can go back to a snapshot or go forward and replace new data with backups of all data. |
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| 10:26.13 | pie_ | Nik05: thanks for bringing 1.2.8 to my attention, this might work :P |
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| 10:26.55 | clark__ | tremon, no I did not, but I think I looking for a solution that check the hole system |
| 10:27.28 | SynrGy | clark__: i think babilen gave you some good alternatives nearly 10 minutes ago. use one of those. |
| 10:27.35 | clark__ | babilen, are the snapshot handled by somthing like git ? |
| 10:27.43 | utente_ | i have 3 pc. PC_A debian client, PC_B debian server (with samba), PC_C a windows 2000. on PC_A I mount directories from PC_C directly on /etc/fstab. if i am a normal user, from PC_A i can read/write on PC_B using samba. From PC_A i can only read or modify file already exixting on PC_C but i cannot create new file or delete exinting file. But if i am root on PC_A, i can do everything on PC_C (copy, modify, delete, etc). What ia ma |
| 10:27.43 | utente_ | doing wrong? |
| 10:28.25 | babilen | clark__: No, it has nothing to do with git. |
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| 10:29.45 | SynrGy | utente_: without getting into the samba details, it sounds like you lack permission to change the directory(/ies) where the files are located |
| 10:30.02 | clark__ | SynrGy, to use backups is not an option |
| 10:30.14 | utente_ | SynrGy, i have the same impression, but i dont know how to fix. |
| 10:30.34 | SynrGy | clark__: backups? no: |
| 10:30.35 | SynrGy | 07:18 < babilen> clark__: Look into snapshots (e.g. lvm, btrfs, ..) or run your box in a virtual machine and snapshot that. (e.g. kvm is nice) |
| 10:30.37 | utente_ | unfortunately PCA_A/B/C are not here where i am now. |
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| 10:31.23 | SynrGy | clark__: snapshotting is pretty efficient. why is it that "to use backups is not an option"? |
| 10:31.24 | utente_ | I hopw someone hgetthe same prolbmen and redirect me to the solution (i soppose some trin indo //wetc/fstab on mount optopn) |
| 10:31.24 | clark__ | SynrGy, ok, i will do some reading wait |
| 10:32.04 | clark__ | SynrGy, maybe it is.. I will do some reading and come back later, thanks |
| 10:32.10 | SynrGy | clark__: if the answer is "i don't have room on my backup media for multiple whole system backups" ... |
| 10:32.26 | SynrGy | you probably shouldn't rule out this option |
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| 10:33.24 | SynrGy | utente_: i suspect, rather, this is a win2k issue, not your mount options. see ##windows? |
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| 10:33.37 | SynrGy | i don't know anything about windows permissions :/ |
| 10:33.38 | Brigo | ede |
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| 10:34.29 | utente_ | SynrGy, i tri first in #samba channel |
| 10:35.02 | utente_ | SynrGy, on windows i serr permission ON to all rights (write read modify, eytc) but no success |
| 10:35.53 | SynrGy | all i know is, on windows there isn't just *one* set of permissions |
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| 10:36.18 | SynrGy | different users can have different permissions, and you may not be the user you think you are (could be 'guest' or something) |
| 10:36.30 | SynrGy | but, OT for here |
| 10:37.21 | SynrGy | (so, i told a white lie, it's not that i know nothing about windows permissions, just that it's OT, and i am not comfortable enough in what i do know to pursue it further anyway :) |
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| 10:38.13 | virtuals_temp | so is there a fix for the keymap issue for wheezy, or do I have to wait for the debian team to get the fix into the stable release, anyone? |
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| 10:41.21 | petern_ | virtuals_temp, dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration ? |
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| 10:41.59 | babilen | virtuals_temp: Which update *exactly* changed it? How did you configure your keymap? Could you paste the content of /etc/default/keyboard ? Could you try running "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" and re-configure it? |
| 10:42.01 | virtuals_temp | petern_, that only works for the console, not for lxde |
| 10:42.10 | babilen | That's not tre |
| 10:42.13 | babilen | *true even |
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| 10:42.39 | babilen | Also what were the exact symptoms again? |
| 10:42.40 | technologov | hi ! |
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| 10:42.54 | technologov | How to force my Debian 8 to boot into text-mode (80x25) ? |
| 10:43.09 | virtuals_temp | babilen, /etc/default/keyboard shows fi as keymap |
| 10:43.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell technologov -about nodm |
| 10:43.14 | technologov | I tried vga=normal splash=off |
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| 10:43.34 | technologov | I don't have a DM. Console only. |
| 10:43.44 | technologov | Problem is: my console has very high resolution |
| 10:43.51 | technologov | and I want DOS-style 80x25 |
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| 10:44.28 | virtuals_temp | babilen, I configured my keymap from the installer, and it was set to fi during the istall, after a upgrade it get set to us |
| 10:44.45 | technologov | kernel: vga=normal splash=off gets me to begin boot with 80x25 |
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| 10:44.50 | babilen | virtuals_temp: where? |
| 10:44.54 | technologov | but then Debian switches to hi-res |
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| 10:45.20 | virtuals_temp | I think its a bug in xkeyboard-config package, should be fixe in testing package |
| 10:45.46 | babilen | technologov: So, edit /etc/default/grub and pay attention to GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX |
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| 10:46.19 | petern_ | virtuals_temp, pretty sure there's no general bug, because everyone would've hit it. |
| 10:46.23 | technologov | GRUB already set to : GRUB_TERMINAL=console |
| 10:46.31 | technologov | This helps only for GRUB itself |
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| 10:46.37 | technologov | Linux still boots to hi-res |
| 10:46.40 | petern_ | virtuals_temp, it's wrong in your display manager, before lxde, right? |
| 10:46.40 | babilen | ... |
| 10:46.55 | Sir_Designer | it's nice how debian-7.6.0-i386-netinst.iso installs a completely updated system, and apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade have nothing to do. |
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| 10:48.02 | virtuals_temp | petern_, yes its us in the login screen, if I drop to console with ctrl+f1 then I have fi keymap |
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| 10:48.17 | babilen | technologov: Did you already read the description of the GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX option? |
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| 10:48.55 | babilen | technologov: You know, I did not mention that on a whim just to annoy you. So please read the documentation (mentioned in /etc/default/grub) and familiarise yourself with the options. |
| 10:48.56 | petern_ | Sir_Designer, I think the netinsts download updates during install. |
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| 10:49.37 | Sir_Designer | exactly |
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| 10:50.35 | babilen | virtuals_temp: And it is okay again in lxde? |
| 10:51.35 | virtuals_temp | babilen, no its us in login screen and lxde, I tried to set it keymap to fi in 10-evdev.conf, dident help |
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| 10:51.42 | Skyrider | whats the difference between a master and the "latest" version? |
| 10:51.50 | Skyrider | regarding a few packages I've seen online. |
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| 10:51.56 | Skyrider | Unless the "master" is the latest version. |
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| 10:53.07 | babilen | virtuals_temp: Which DM is that? Do you use ibus? (did you configure *that* ?) |
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| 10:55.13 | irinix | so now that I've managed to wrangle debian into installing on this system. What would you guys say is the best lightweight Desktop Manager? I plan on using fluxbox as my primary window manager so something that will cooperate nicely with that would be great. |
| 10:55.43 | ectospasm | irinix: I use lightdm at home |
| 10:55.44 | babilen | irinix: lightdm / slim |
| 10:55.52 | Sir_Designer | xfce 4.10 |
| 10:55.54 | ectospasm | slim isn't supported anymore, is it? |
| 10:56.05 | babilen | Oh, they deprecated it? |
| 10:56.09 | babilen | Well, remove it then |
| 10:56.22 | irinix | lightdm is being rather buggy for me not restarting properly |
| 10:56.24 | ectospasm | Maybe it's still supported for wheezy |
| 10:56.32 | technologov | babilen, a-a. Doesn't work. Only 1st step is changed to 80x25 |
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| 10:56.44 | technologov | 2nd step boot is still hi-rez |
| 10:56.53 | technologov | i.e. root login |
| 10:56.57 | virtuals_temp | babilen, I'm using the wheezy lxde install cd image, I think that uses openbox Dm, I just did a standard install, didnt configure any thing special, I chose fi as keymap at install, at first boot it was set to us |
| 10:57.12 | ectospasm | technologov: are you loading nouveau? |
| 10:57.33 | babilen | Openbox is a WM not a DM (display manager (e.g. gdm3, lightdm, ...)) |
| 10:57.36 | ectospasm | technologov: lsmod | grep nouveau |
| 10:58.04 | babilen | technologov: What did you set GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX to? |
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| 10:58.14 | technologov | ectospasm, Nope. Intel 4400 graphics. |
| 10:58.39 | technologov | GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text in file /etc/default/grub |
| 10:58.46 | technologov | # update-grub2 |
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| 10:59.38 | ectospasm | can you get away with something like a VESA driver instead of the Intel-specific one, since this will be console only? |
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| 10:59.57 | babilen | technologov: Could you try "keep" please and set GRUB_GFXMODE to whatever you deem appropriate? |
| 11:01.11 | virtuals_temp | babilen, I'm using lightdm as DM |
| 11:02.25 | technologov | ectospasm, all drivers are standard (whatever Debian 8 has) |
| 11:03.23 | clark__ | babilen, SynrGy , tre |
| 11:03.30 | babilen | technologov: GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT=console might also be to your liking |
| 11:03.36 | clark__ | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/2027ab44cc35d98db140 |
| 11:03.48 | babilen | virtuals_temp: Does that use ibus? |
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| 11:04.33 | technologov | babilen, tried this too... it only helps for 1st stage boot |
| 11:04.45 | technologov | but before user login appears, Debian switches... |
| 11:04.51 | clark__ | babilen, SynrGy , tremon , I try to explain my problem here https://gist.github.com/anonymous/2027ab44cc35d98db140 |
| 11:05.17 | virtuals_temp | babilen, I get this ibus-setup: command not found, so I guess not |
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| 11:06.15 | ectospasm | technologov: jessie is in #debian-next@oftc |
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| 11:07.02 | Ca11um | I have a Debian server and I want to setup a basic email system that uses Roundcube or Squirrel Mail or something. I'm not very good with Linux, so is there any email package that is simple to install and requires very little configuration? |
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| 11:08.30 | babilen | technologov: Yeah, that's KMS, but you need that for Intel GPUs -- And you tried that with "=keep", didn't you? |
| 11:08.42 | irinix | christ gnome is HUGE |
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| 11:09.29 | Skyrider | This should most likely be in nginx, but.. does anyone happen to know what the configuration file is of the default nginx installation? With the ./configure. |
| 11:09.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell irinix -about install gnome |
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| 11:10.03 | babilen | irinix: gnome-session shouldn't be huge |
| 11:10.17 | Psychon4ut | Hi Guys, I got problems with one of my own startscripts, which runs fine on different machines. But on one machine it wont start automatically at boot, but I runs well if I start it manually afterwards. |
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| 11:10.47 | babilen | Skyrider: Use the Debian packages if you want help in here |
| 11:11.01 | Skyrider | I am using the debian package :p |
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| 11:11.14 | Skyrider | just like to know the default config it uses. |
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| 11:11.29 | irinix | babilen gnome-session isn't huge...but all the packages that it plugs in with it. kinda asinine |
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| 11:18.11 | ghking | hello, I use makefile to build my program. it has two source file(main.c sqlist.c), but when I use gdb it can only show main.c |
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| 11:19.55 | ghking | paste.debian.net/plain/113280 here is my makefile |
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| 11:25.10 | ghking | when I use gdb to debug main, "list" command can only show main.c, but "list sqlist.c:0" don't work |
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| 11:25.40 | ghking | it show "No source file named sqlist.c." |
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| 11:32.27 | svetlana | ghking, hi |
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| 11:41.15 | ghking | hello everyone! |
| 11:41.34 | ghking | I use makefile to build my program. |
| 11:42.22 | ghking | here is my makefile: http://paste.debian.net/113280 |
| 11:42.50 | ghking | here is what make show: paste.debian.net/plain/113282 |
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| 11:43.47 | ghking | why there is no "-g" in third line |
| 11:45.06 | jvv | hi, in /etc/security/limits.conf in Debian I see "NOTE: group and wildcard limits are not applied to root. To apply a limit to the root user, <domain> must be the literal username root."... OK, so I put limit for number of processes that root can create "root hard nproc 100\nroot soft nproc 100", and start a forkbomb... it does not constrain anything, system is dead after few second... I can mention that same constr |
| 11:45.07 | jvv | user work as expected... so my question is, is this annotation in limits.conf a bug ? (I cannot see similar on on RH systems) |
| 11:45.23 | virtuals_temp | k, I guess I have to continue this tomorrow, got some other thing to do now, thanks for the help guys |
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| 11:55.53 | dutchfish | jvv, if security is your main concern, why you run services as root in the first place? i am not claiming all should be non-root but the ones that likely should be are the ones that are being used in external access. Apart from that read the manpages about limits.conf. |
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| 11:57.39 | macrobat | ghking: maybe ##workingset can answer your make questions better than #debian? |
| 11:58.23 | dutchfish | jvv, s-user-limts see also https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html#s-user-limits |
| 11:58.37 | ghking | <macrobat>, thank you |
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| 12:00.16 | macrobat | and, I think it could be a bad idea to build things as root |
| 12:01.29 | dutchfish | jvv, furthermore, with restricting limits on root, can easely fireback on you as soon as the number of users hit that trigger level, something you want to avoid. |
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| 12:02.29 | jvv | dutchfish: sorry, but that does not answer my question about comment in limits.conf file "NOTE: group and wildcard limits are not applied to root. To apply a limit to the root user, <domain> must be the literal username root." |
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| 12:03.48 | jvv | dutchfish: you say "no to start as root", and I ask about this comment... how to make i work if not as written... as what user to start a service is other topic |
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| 12:04.58 | dutchfish | jvv, that comment doesnt say anything about your kernels capabilities, remember its just a wrapper for kernel settings, read the kernel docs to answer that particular question. |
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| 12:05.18 | dsheets_ | Hi, I recently upgraded some packages (on sid), and now my mouse freezes when it receives no input for a short time (but unsticks after a keyboard event, which is ignored). When the mouse resumes, the trackpoint is calibrated to zero for the resumed position. Which component might be at fault? |
| 12:05.34 | dutchfish | jvv, again, you probably want to avoid root limitations |
| 12:06.31 | dsheets_ | I've looked briefly at libx11-6, xmonad, X, and the kernel. I don't believe the kernel was changed/caused the issue nor X.org. Xmonad and libx11-6 were both upgraded. |
| 12:06.33 | jvv | dutchfish: well, I assumend that if in Debian wheezy in file limits.conf it is written that to perform A you have to do B, then it is that way... and not that other component generally prevents from what is written... so I assumed wrong ? |
| 12:07.50 | meek_geek | guys which is the latest available linux kernel for debian wheezy? |
| 12:07.55 | dsheets_ | xev shows no mouse events and the resuming keyboard event is dropped. |
| 12:08.02 | dutchfish | jvv, no, you didnt asume wrongly. Its more like an inheretance of old kernels to interprete it like that. The text should be adapted, but that doesnt answer your question. |
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| 12:08.30 | jvv | dutchfish: I am not trying to flamewar here, but trying understand this comment... it is written in plain english what to do to perform restrictions, I am doing that and it does not work... I am trying to understand why is in to behaving as written |
| 12:08.46 | macrobat | jvv: I'm not sure, but I think a user (or root) might have to logout and login before changes take effect |
| 12:09.10 | jvv | macrobat: yeah, already done that... |
| 12:09.17 | macrobat | ok |
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| 12:09.24 | dutchfish | jvv, np, me neither also see cat /proc/sys/kernel/pid_max |
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| 12:10.55 | dsheets_ | also, it seems to happen only with a usb keyboard/trackpoint and not the laptop's |
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| 12:11.36 | sandman13 | Silly question but is apt-listbugs only for Testing and Unstable? can it be used for Backports? |
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| 12:11.53 | macrobat | dsheets_: for sid, try #debian-next on the oftc network |
| 12:12.29 | dutchfish | jvv, to find out if it has been set for root, ulimit -a would reveal that |
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| 12:12.41 | dsheets_ | macrobat, ok, thanks. what's this chan for? stable/testing/general project queries? |
| 12:12.53 | jvv | root@debian:~# ulimit -a | grep proc |
| 12:12.53 | jvv | max user processes (-u) 100 |
| 12:12.59 | jvv | it is setup |
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| 12:13.38 | macrobat | and, I found apt-listbugs to be useful when I was on sid |
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| 12:14.40 | jvv | dutchfish: you can test on your kvm virtual if you want... it just not work ;) maybe I should write on some list or sth. |
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| 12:16.44 | dutchfish | jvv, root cant be catched in *user*-limits |
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| 12:17.33 | dutchfish | jvv, but maybe some others more capable then me can ammend to it |
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| 12:18.35 | jvv | dutchfish: but it is written that if you explicitly write "root", then limits are applied |
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| 12:19.06 | gtech | So I have an excel sheet which can't be read by a ruby spreadsheet library normally, but when I open it with libreoffice then resave it(.xls=>.xls(>=1997), the sheet can be read. Is there a way to make that same conversion without the GUI? |
| 12:19.27 | dutchfish | jvv, you made me confused now. I am not sure anymore. Let see what other in here can help us out..... |
| 12:19.50 | dutchfish | jvv, my best bet is that that text is wrong |
| 12:20.59 | dutchfish | jvv, or at least not good practise |
| 12:21.15 | gtech | I could just install x and all the bells, but it'd be nice not to eat 500MB for no reason |
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| 12:22.48 | junka | when will iceweasel 31 ESR will hit stable? |
| 12:23.06 | sandman13 | junka: after some time |
| 12:23.16 | sandman13 | when it will be stable |
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| 12:23.58 | dutchfish | jvv, to work around you can easely limit your vm with sysctl for the max_pid |
| 12:24.51 | junka | sandman13: so in 2 months after 24.8 is EOL? |
| 12:25.33 | dutchfish | jvv, that would catch all on that vm including root |
| 12:25.49 | jvv | dutchfish: yeah... I know... I know I can work around in a few ways... but what I mean is "is this annotation in manual an file misleading or not ?" |
| 12:26.02 | jvv | and* |
| 12:26.08 | dutchfish | jvv, it prolly is, but i am not 100% sure |
| 12:26.09 | pie_ | Nik05: 1.2.8 version of mumble is also giving me an ice version mismatch :/ |
| 12:26.22 | pie_ | oh hm its murmur |
| 12:26.31 | gtech | lulls |
| 12:26.38 | gtech | I've made that mistake |
| 12:27.11 | Nik05 | pie_ yes it need 35 doesnt it? |
| 12:27.42 | pie_ | Nik05: no it needs an earlier version, though perharps that exact version wont have my gcc problem... |
| 12:27.52 | pie_ | err, that is the compiler wont be too new to compile it :P |
| 12:28.04 | Nik05 | pie_ what errors do you got? |
| 12:28.12 | pie_ | whereas it was too new to compile whatever comes with debian |
| 12:28.14 | pie_ | checks |
| 12:28.39 | pie_ | wait hold on....i vaguely rememeber finding a patch for my error...which means i might be able tojust p1atch the debian package |
| 12:29.27 | dutchfish | jvv, btw, at least for some settings the order matters in limits.conf |
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| 12:30.43 | dutchfish | jvv, the most restrive need to aplied first |
| 12:30.52 | dutchfish | restrictive* |
| 12:31.09 | dutchfish | jvv, no mather what user |
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| 12:33.07 | ghking | d |
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| 12:34.21 | pie_ | Nik05: let me go find the error... |
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| 12:35.52 | pie_ | Nik05: /usr/include/Ice/Handle.h:66:13: error: upCast was not declared in this scope, and no declarations were found by argument-dependent lookup at the point of instantiation [-fpermissive] |
| 12:35.52 | pie_ | compilation terminated due to -Wfatal-errors. |
| 12:36.26 | Nik05 | bad programming? :P |
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| 12:36.53 | Nik05 | pie_ oh but that is ice |
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| 12:37.24 | Nik05 | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15712283/how-to-solve-the-upcast-error-in-zero-c-ice-compilation-gcc-4-7-compile-wit |
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| 12:40.03 | Nik05 | but pie_ wheezy has zeroc-ice34, cant you compile mumble with that? |
| 12:40.13 | pie_ | thats what i need i think |
| 12:40.28 | pie_ | ok everything is snafu, so i dont feel like explaining what ive done so far |
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| 12:40.38 | pie_ | but i will try with that and see if i can find that patch again |
| 12:41.13 | pie_ | Nik05: yep thats the patch |
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| 12:41.35 | Nik05 | why do you even need a newer mumble? :P |
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| 12:43.02 | pie_ | Nik05: i was hoping it would fix some bugs |
| 12:43.19 | pie_ | i need to tunnel mumble over ssh, and for some reason forcing tcp wouldnt work |
| 12:43.23 | Skyrider | Finally managed to compile nginx.. |
| 12:43.26 | Skyrider | *phew* |
| 12:43.58 | pie_ | neither would proxying through socks, but probably because forcing tcp didnt work |
| 12:45.06 | ectospasm | pie_: TCP doesn't make sense for RTP/VoIP |
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| 12:45.29 | ectospasm | Maybe for the signaling it'd be OK, but not for the transport of the actual voice. |
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| 12:59.35 | pie_ | ectospasm: yeah i understand that |
| 12:59.53 | pie_ | but id have to tunnel udp over tcp(which i did find a hack for) |
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| 13:08.39 | utente_ | there is a windows manager controllable only with keyboard? twm ask for sure the use of mouse, but i would like to get into menu, resize the winrows, etc without to be forced to use a mouse. |
| 13:08.45 | Skyrider | klined.. heh. |
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| 13:09.13 | svetlana | utente_, try xmonad perhaps (hearsay; i havent used it personally) |
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| 13:09.34 | utente_ | xmonad... i apt-cache show it now .-) |
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| 13:12.20 | ectospasm | utente_: xmonad+Xfce4 is what I use in Wheezy |
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| 13:13.27 | babilen | utente_: Plenty, i3, awesomewm, xmonad, dwm, ... come to mind |
| 13:13.32 | utente_ | ectospasm, thanks. set ul a virtual machine to test them and see if match with my needs |
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| 13:14.41 | ectospasm | utente_: watch out, unless you're already familiar with Haskell, you might find something like i3wm better suited to your skillset |
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| 13:17.27 | ectospasm | Haskell is not for the faint of heart |
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| 13:18.14 | utente_ | mmm i nstalled xmanad, reboot, select it into lighdm menu, insert user/password and now... i can only move mounse (click has no effect) and keiboard has no effects too (i alreadi try tab, enter, space, esc, alt+esc, etc) it works only ctrl+alt+Fn to go to console. |
| 13:18.35 | ectospasm | utente_: yeah, you should read up on XMonad first. |
| 13:18.52 | ectospasm | The default install is just a big blank, black screen |
| 13:19.04 | utente_ | omg. |
| 13:19.14 | utente_ | barely essential |
| 13:19.42 | ectospasm | try mod1+p, or mod1+enter |
| 13:19.51 | ectospasm | (mod1 being left Alt) |
| 13:19.52 | utente_ | apt-cache show explain it has standard confoguration (what ever it means) alreadi implemented. |
| 13:20.10 | utente_ | ectospasm, whan do you menad with "mod1"? |
| 13:20.27 | utente_ | menad=means |
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| 13:20.38 | ectospasm | (mod1 being left Alt) << utente_ |
| 13:20.45 | babilen | (as mentioned earlier) |
| 13:21.10 | utente_ | mm no alt-p, alt-enter, AltGr-p, a |
| 13:21.20 | utente_ | altGr-enter works |
| 13:21.44 | ectospasm | you need to read on the default configuration, it's not very intuitive otherwise. |
| 13:21.48 | babilen | utente_: My recommendation would be i3wm |
| 13:22.02 | babilen | (and you should read a little bit about that too) |
| 13:22.10 | utente_ | i3wm? never know. more intuitive than xmonad? |
| 13:22.27 | babilen | same old same old but different |
| 13:22.47 | utente_ | does exixt nothing that emulate the three moiuse button? |
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| 13:23.10 | babilen | It is quite intuitive if you find mod1-enter and mod1-r and ... to be intuitive. mod1-{hjkl} come quite naturally to me (being used to vim) |
| 13:23.27 | pie_ | Nik05: the patch also patches things other than the headers, and stuff is all over the place in debian |
| 13:23.35 | pie_ | so this is getting really annoying |
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| 13:24.18 | utente_ | babilen, it sweemms im stupod, cos noone of the combination u suggest me does no action on monitor.... |
| 13:24.33 | utente_ | i search for manual |
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| 13:27.32 | pie_ | yay for splitdiff! |
| 13:27.49 | pie_ | luckily it looks like it only patches headers and demos |
| 13:27.53 | pie_ | so i can skip the demos |
| 13:28.43 | babilen | utente_: I am talking about i3wm (and I have mod1 mapped to the "windows" key) |
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| 13:36.40 | ectospasm | yeah, in XMonad I have the modifier mapped to mod4/Win |
| 13:37.01 | ectospasm | If I were to lose my XMonad configuration, I'd strongly consider i3wm |
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| 13:51.53 | meek_geek | hell_razer, yo man |
| 13:52.08 | meek_geek | Did you use yahoo msg long back with the same nick? |
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| 13:55.34 | pie_ | Nik05: ok the debian version wont work because i need to apply patches |
| 13:55.48 | pie_ | so im going to get the older library version from source |
| 13:56.00 | pie_ | and apply it to that |
| 13:56.02 | pie_ | :/ |
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| 14:12.36 | koell | Do you know a file manager which can list nfs-shares? |
| 14:13.31 | format_c | koell, nfs-shares are transparent to any file manager because it's mounted somewhere in the directory tree |
| 14:14.11 | hell_razer | meek_geek, Hi, nope |
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| 14:14.26 | koell | format_c: when they are mounted yes, but i think about the state before they're mounted |
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| 14:16.38 | format_c | Mhh I donno |
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| 14:17.04 | format_c | if then the big ones nautilus and komqueror |
| 14:17.12 | koell | I know I can show them with showmount -e <IP> but a clicki way would be much better for my dad :D |
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| 14:17.30 | xalyy | Hey |
| 14:17.52 | format_c | there area some plugins that care about that |
| 14:18.25 | format_c | In xfce I'm pretty sure. |
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| 14:18.36 | format_c | maybe also some desklets |
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| 14:19.34 | xalyy | Hello |
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| 14:19.50 | xalyy | Can somebody help me about mounting an SSD? |
| 14:20.21 | iveevue | ... |
| 14:20.23 | meek_geek | hell_razer, Where are you from ? |
| 14:20.29 | iveevue | What's the problem? |
| 14:20.38 | meek_geek | Guys I want to use Debian with latest kernel |
| 14:20.41 | meek_geek | is it possible ? |
| 14:20.44 | format_c | xalyy, there is no difference to ordinary disks |
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| 14:20.58 | iveevue | meek_geek, Why do you need the latest kernel? |
| 14:21.10 | format_c | But you should be careful which filesystem to choose |
| 14:21.13 | xalyy | format I have 2 SSD on the dedicated |
| 14:21.20 | xalyy | But the second one doesnt showing up on proxmox |
| 14:21.24 | xalyy | I mean the space |
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| 14:22.37 | format_c | xalyy, how do you mount it? |
| 14:23.08 | zeto28 | q: can anyone direct me to a live CD/installer CD whose boot loader supports both text mode and a serial connection by default? TIA. |
| 14:24.06 | format_c | zeto28, there is no user called q |
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| 14:24.21 | format_c | not in this channel |
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| 14:24.38 | zeto28 | format_c: q=="question" |
| 14:24.38 | koell | this is not ubuntu on air QUESTION :D |
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| 14:24.54 | koell | there is no jono bacon answering questions xD |
| 14:25.44 | hell_razer | meek_geek, does it matter? |
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| 14:26.11 | Sir_Designer | gnome-based default desktop is too slow for me. what is the cleanest way to exchange the goods for xfce? |
| 14:26.19 | pie_ | Nik05: or F*** sake! cant compile the older library because of compile errors |
| 14:26.21 | pie_ | WTF... |
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| 14:26.34 | pie_ | do i seriously need to compile an older version of gcc? |
| 14:26.45 | pie_ | that will make 3 versions of gcc on my computer now |
| 14:26.52 | pie_ | but compiling with gcc is easier than this junk |
| 14:26.58 | pie_ | *compiling gcc is |
| 14:26.59 | meek_geek | hell_razer, just wondering .. anyways do you use Debian Stable ? |
| 14:26.59 | xalyy | format Back |
| 14:27.03 | xalyy | What do you mean? |
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| 14:27.40 | hell_razer | meek_geek, yes for production, as host and as guest machines, about 30 instances |
| 14:28.34 | meek_geek | hell_razer, I want to know if we can use the latest kernels with the stable ? |
| 14:29.12 | hell_razer | meek_geek, what the reason, i am actually using 2.6.32 |
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| 14:30.12 | Sir_Designer | will this do the right thing (as root): apt-get install task-xfce-desktop; apt-get remove gnome ? |
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| 14:31.58 | meek_geek | hell_razer, I see that debian stable is a lot slower than xubuntu 14.04 ... some say try newer version of kernels on debian stable with xfce and you would feel the speed |
| 14:32.28 | hell_razer | meek_geek, i have no UI with linux at all... |
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| 14:33.33 | decci | I want to create a DEB package, to make a list of software install-able via `apt-get install my-package`. It would include: - Sone dependencies like build-essential - NVM (https://github.com/creationix/nvm) - Node.js installed via NVM (the v0.11.13) - PM2 (https://github.com/Unitech/pm2) |
| 14:33.59 | formorer | never depend on build-essential |
| 14:34.00 | decci | One possible way around is with https://www.npmjs.org/package/grunt-debian-package |
| 14:34.20 | decci | Any idea how complicated is the building such package |
| 14:34.26 | decci | formorer: ? |
| 14:35.23 | formorer | the meaning of build-essential is that you don't have to depend on it. |
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| 14:36.30 | decci | formorer: Yes. But my requirement is building DEB package through grunt or other easy tools which solves the overall dependencies |
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| 14:45.49 | meek_geek | hell_razer, ok good what do you use Debian for? |
| 14:46.06 | hell_razer | meek_geek, as servers for web apps |
| 14:46.24 | hell_razer | meek_geek, as i have said previously - about 30 instances |
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| 14:47.06 | meek_geek | hell_razer, I see, I always wanted to host web apps for my own :] |
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| 14:52.42 | drasko | hi all. I did upgrade on my Debian testing and now I have a message: 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 14:53.02 | drasko | I can not do neither update not upgrade |
| 14:53.07 | drasko | how to fix this? |
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| 14:54.52 | ricepooding | drasko, what's your sources.list? |
| 14:55.18 | drasko | ricepooding, I can not really paste it, it is on another PC |
| 14:55.23 | drasko | what should I look for? |
| 14:55.58 | ricepooding | ricepooding, it'd help if you could paste it really |
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| 14:56.03 | mtn | drasko: why aren't you on the problem computer? |
| 14:56.32 | ricepooding | drasko, have you been able to update previously with the same sources.list? |
| 14:56.48 | drasko | I I generated it from here: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
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| 14:57.10 | drasko | ricepooding, yes |
| 14:57.16 | drasko | I have been able to update |
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| 14:57.27 | Arhys | hello |
| 14:57.30 | ricepooding | drasko, weird. |
| 14:57.33 | drasko | and I did upgrade. After that it does not work anymore |
| 14:57.36 | Arhys | i've a problem with gnome3 |
| 14:57.49 | mtn | drasko: type here in channel: /msg dpkg sources |
| 14:57.52 | Arhys | i think it's nothing but in case i ask for tips |
| 14:58.07 | mtn | Arhys: ask your real question, please |
| 14:58.16 | drasko | ah |
| 14:58.24 | drasko | I had the lines for unstable also |
| 14:58.28 | Arhys | i cannot change my desktop background,because when i click right and choose hange desktop backgroung nothing happened |
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| 14:58.40 | mtn | drasko: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 14:58.47 | Arhys | thanks mtn :) |
| 14:58.55 | mtn | Arhys: which version of debian? |
| 14:59.02 | Arhys | WHeezy |
| 14:59.04 | Arhys | 7 |
| 14:59.31 | ricepooding | drasko, did that solve it..? |
| 14:59.38 | mtn | Arhys: that should work. did it work before or is this the first time you have tried it? |
| 14:59.47 | Arhys | it's work before |
| 14:59.54 | drasko | anyway - I had the lines for unstable also in the sources.list. Can it be that it upgraded to unstable? |
| 14:59.57 | mtn | Arhys: oh oh, what did you change? |
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| 15:00.10 | mtn | drasko: most likely that is what happened |
| 15:00.16 | Arhys | i've tried to install a splashscreen |
| 15:00.20 | ricepooding | drasko, look at your pin priorities is guess |
| 15:00.37 | drasko | mtn, how to fix this then? I do not need unstable |
| 15:00.41 | Arhys | i can copy you the history of the command i've type in shell if you want :) |
| 15:00.51 | ricepooding | drasko, you'd struggle to go back to testing... |
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| 15:01.13 | drasko | so how to go to unstable then? |
| 15:01.15 | mtn | drasko: at this point you will need to reinstall debian stable |
| 15:01.26 | mtn | drasko: or testing, whatever you had |
| 15:01.30 | drasko | Reinstall whole system? |
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| 15:01.40 | ricepooding | drasko, it might be that a package had been removed from testing, like what happened with the nvidia drivers, so your install pulled it from unstable (which consequently pulled in a load of deps) |
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| 15:01.52 | mtn | drasko: yup, and don't break it next time ;) |
| 15:01.57 | ricepooding | drasko, reinstall seems like the most reliable route yes |
| 15:02.07 | drasko | :( |
| 15:02.13 | ricepooding | :( |
| 15:02.16 | drasko | can I force everything to unstable? |
| 15:02.21 | ricepooding | drasko, yes |
| 15:02.25 | drasko | how to do this? |
| 15:02.26 | mtn | Arhys: sorry, I don't know how to fix your problem |
| 15:02.33 | ricepooding | drasko, remove jessie lines from sources.list and update && upgrade |
| 15:02.34 | drasko | in apt.conf? |
| 15:02.34 | ricepooding | :P |
| 15:02.47 | drasko | in apt.conf I still have "testing" |
| 15:02.50 | mtn | drasko: sure, take testing out of your sources and update and then dist-upgrade and you will have unstable |
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| 15:03.33 | ricepooding | drasko, is this a desktop machine? |
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| 15:04.06 | drasko | ricepooding, yes |
| 15:04.28 | drasko | removed jessie lines |
| 15:04.31 | drasko | still wont update |
| 15:04.57 | ricepooding | drasko, i think it's borked :/ |
| 15:05.03 | ricepooding | but i might be wrong |
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| 15:11.17 | xalyy | Hello! Can somebody tell me what is this? http://i.gyazo.com/0ab984e027291a8cfac8340f3e06128f.png I only have two ssd... |
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| 15:15.02 | mtn | xalyy: it shows two devices and their partitions |
| 15:15.24 | xalyy | mtn: So there are several useless partitions? |
| 15:15.45 | mtn | xalyy: they are only useless if you can't use them or don't want them |
| 15:16.00 | mtn | xalyy: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/ |
| 15:16.00 | xalyy | mtn: Well lets say I only need two of them because two SSD |
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| 15:16.10 | mtn | xalyy: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/35676/how-to-choose-a-partition-scheme-for-your-linux-pc/ |
| 15:16.28 | mtn | xalyy: and you can use gparted from a live disk to change them |
| 15:16.56 | xalyy | mtn: But wait doesnt have desktop environment |
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| 15:17.10 | xalyy | I only need the second hdd for extra space |
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| 15:17.18 | xalyy | But it doesnt show up on Proxmox |
| 15:18.15 | xalyy | mtn: What do you think? |
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| 15:18.48 | mtn | xalyy: not sure what the problem is. you decide what you want to do and do it using gparted from a live disk, as I said |
| 15:19.19 | xalyy | mtn: The problem is I have two ssd on the dedicated but proxmox only counts the first one. |
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| 15:19.38 | mtn | xalyy: I have no idea what proxmox is |
| 15:20.00 | xalyy | mtn: Proxmox is virtualization |
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| 15:23.49 | mtn | xalyy: is proxmox a linux distro? in that case it is not supported here because it is not debian |
| 15:24.06 | xalyy | Proxmox is under debian.. |
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| 15:24.24 | mtn | xalyy: oh, you can find it on the debian site? I don't think so. |
| 15:24.40 | xalyy | Idk debian supports it |
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| 15:25.00 | mtn | xalyy: this channel does NOT support it |
| 15:25.12 | xalyy | This channel is debian so why not? |
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| 15:25.45 | mtn | xalyy: simple, proxmox is NOT debian, if it were debian, it would be named debian, not proxmox |
| 15:25.58 | mtn | !proxmox |
| 15:25.59 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 15:26.22 | xalyy | Tastic! |
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| 15:29.53 | Sir_Designer | I am very sorry to report that debian net install with gnome3 is unusable in virtual machine. I have yet to try live disk with xfce. But I just started my old Mint 14 and the problem is localized to the current 7.6 debian. |
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| 15:30.58 | mtn | Sir_Designer: how is it "unusuable"? |
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| 15:31.07 | abrotman | Sir_Designer: It's likely more related to your VM and what video card it emulates, not Gnome3 in Debian 7.6 |
| 15:31.33 | Sir_Designer | simple metric: start google chrome and play a video in 360 dpi on Youtube. |
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| 15:31.38 | mtn | Sir_Designer: yup, you probably don't have 3d enabled |
| 15:31.45 | Sir_Designer | but i do. |
| 15:31.50 | abrotman | show us |
| 15:31.56 | Sir_Designer | something is not taking hte acceleration. |
| 15:32.05 | mtn | Sir_Designer: so it all works execpt for playing video? |
| 15:32.11 | abrotman | Show us |
| 15:32.21 | Sir_Designer | no, it is slow... the video makes it tangible. |
| 15:32.31 | Sir_Designer | show us how? |
| 15:32.31 | mtn | Sir_Designer: you also might need more video memory in your setup |
| 15:32.39 | Sir_Designer | 128 maxes out |
| 15:32.45 | abrotman | You claim it has 3D enabled, how do you know it's enabled? |
| 15:32.52 | abrotman | That's a start |
| 15:33.03 | Sir_Designer | uh, it says 3D enabled in virtualbox setting for this machine? |
| 15:33.10 | Sir_Designer | under display |
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| 15:33.29 | abrotman | That doesn't mean anything |
| 15:33.44 | Sir_Designer | oh, well hten how do I make it enabled to your liking? |
| 15:33.51 | abrotman | That's the VM telling you what setting you're giving it, not what the Debian VM OS actually is doing |
| 15:34.19 | Sir_Designer | rightly. but why is it not doing what 6.0.6 was doing, and what Mint 14 is doing? |
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| 15:35.02 | abrotman | This isn't a Mint support channel, so can't help you there |
| 15:35.14 | abrotman | what video card does the OS think it has? |
| 15:35.37 | Sir_Designer | i just told you that i tested my physical setup to make sure it is not hosed somehow. has nothing to do with mint. tell me why 7.6 is not accelerating. |
| 15:35.44 | Sir_Designer | maybe it is a virtualbox bug. |
| 15:35.51 | abrotman | Tell me what video card Debian thinks it has ... |
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| 15:36.13 | Sir_Designer | well, tell me how to test that. |
| 15:36.25 | abrotman | lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 15:38.35 | Sir_Designer | abrotman 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: InnoTek Systemberatung GmbH VirtualBox Graphics Adapter [80ee:beef] |
| 15:38.57 | abrotman | wonders which *linux* driver that uses, and if it has 3D available |
| 15:39.20 | abrotman | Sir_Designer: you might want to check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see which driver this is using |
| 15:39.38 | Sir_Designer | well, for what it is worth an earlier incarnaton of virutalbox played with acceleration. so you know, anything could be broken. |
| 15:39.40 | abrotman | Sir_Designer: I suspect it's using VESA, which does *not* have 3D in the sense that amd/nvidia/intel do |
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| 15:51.49 | jfjhh | i am having a problem, removing exim4 from a raspberry pi gives the error message on boot: |
| 15:52.16 | jfjhh | [FAILED] startpar failed to find service(s) exim4 ...[FAILED] |
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| 15:54.14 | centrx | jfjhh, Are you using Debian? |
| 15:54.30 | jfjhh | yes, Debian Squeeze on a raspberry pi |
| 15:54.31 | Sir_Designer | babilen http://pastebin.com/MT4K7ZVu (no acceleration debian 7_6 netinstall virutalbox 2014-07-15) |
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| 15:54.59 | centrx | jfjhh, How did you remove exim4? |
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| 15:56.58 | jfjhh | centrx: sudo apt-get autoremove -y exim4 exim4-config exim4-daemon-light exim4-base |
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| 15:57.34 | jfjhh | centrx: and also deleted /var/log/exim4 and /etc/init.d/exim4 |
| 15:57.55 | centrx | jfjhh, autoremove does not remove packages you specify on the command-line |
| 15:58.14 | centrx | jfjhh, So it sounds like you may have not actually uninstalled it, then by deleting those files you caused it to break and throw that error on boot |
| 15:58.22 | abrotman | jfjhh: So you removed a package that another package requires, and now you wonder why the other package is broken? |
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| 15:58.52 | centrx | jfjhh, If exim4 had been uninstalled properly, /etc/init.d/exim4 would have been removed |
| 15:59.01 | jfjhh | centrx: so would i do remove instead of autoremove? |
| 15:59.25 | centrx | jfjhh, Yes, and probably purge instead of remove, to remove the configuration files as well if you do not plan on re-installing it |
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| 16:00.04 | jfjhh | centrx: does purge remove as well? i thought it only removed the config files |
| 16:00.37 | centrx | jfjhh, purge or --purge does both |
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| 16:01.38 | Sir_Designer | abrotman btw, the physical card is ATI Radeon 4850 (build-to-order early 2009 iMac 24" 3.06GHz) leave me a memoserv if you conclude anything. |
| 16:01.53 | abrotman | Physical card doesn't mean a damn thing |
| 16:01.56 | abrotman | I already told you that |
| 16:02.10 | jfjhh | centrx: thanks, i've been using linux systems for a little while and am still learning how to use them |
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| 16:02.47 | LIERO | :D |
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| 16:02.52 | LIERO | ok, not sure what I did |
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| 16:02.58 | LIERO | running an xfce wheezy |
| 16:03.15 | LIERO | all the fonts on the GUI of applications are very small |
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| 16:10.45 | poi_dog | Happy Wheezying! |
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| 16:27.47 | moarrr | What do you all think of http://imgur.com/1wwvZ2a,fxbQnGw,PjqTWUv,1B818ei,McksfW5,OLrOX7F,o40ubZT,O4HB8jQ ? :P |
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| 16:28.08 | xwalk | Is there a reason why the debian-installer on my installation ISO no longer prompts me for tasksel during the installation? I just noticed it this past week during a fresh installation. |
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| 16:28.22 | xwalk | I'm using the Debian 7.4 installation medium. |
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| 16:30.16 | v0tick | Just tried putting cd1 debian iso on my usb to run the installer, says I need a valid cd-rom.... I don't even have a cdrom on this thing ugh |
| 16:30.30 | v0tick | And the netinstaller didn't work since my wifi adaptor isn't working |
| 16:31.27 | sandman13 | v0tick: how about burning an iso to a CD and copying firmware on USB? |
| 16:31.55 | v0tick | sandman13 How do I install though, when I can't put the cd in my desktop, there is no rom drive installed |
| 16:31.59 | v0tick | I have usb ports though |
| 16:32.22 | sandman13 | do you have two USB Drives? |
| 16:34.25 | abrotman | sandman13: wtf ... |
| 16:34.35 | abrotman | v0tick: How did you copy it to your USB drive? |
| 16:35.00 | sandman13 | abrotman: ignore me |
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| 16:35.20 | abrotman | I try to .. you keep saying random stuff |
| 16:35.30 | v0tick | Ugh sorry internet died @sandman13 |
| 16:35.47 | sandman13 | v0tick: follow abrotman |
| 16:35.48 | v0tick | Copied it and synced through linux mint terminal |
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| 16:36.16 | abrotman | v0tick: how did you copy the ISO to your USB drive? |
| 16:36.17 | abrotman | copied how ? |
| 16:36.18 | abrotman | dd? cat? to which device? |
| 16:36.42 | v0tick | sudo cp debian.iso /dev/sdc |
| 16:36.55 | v0tick | Then I put the firmware on /dev/sdc2 |
| 16:37.10 | v0tick | It loads the installer and everything but gives and error when mounting cd-rom |
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| 16:37.35 | abrotman | dpkg: tell v0tick about firmware images |
| 16:38.27 | v0tick | abrotman: I tried that one already but couldn't get wifi setup properly. I'm using a wireless adaptor |
| 16:38.37 | abrotman | (did you sync before removing it?) |
| 16:38.41 | v0tick | Yeah |
| 16:38.56 | v0tick | abrotman: if I REALLY need to, I could go downstairs with my full build and plug into an ethernet; but it is a total hassle and I'm not sure if it will even work then, or how long it would take |
| 16:39.02 | v0tick | As my whole family would lose internet connection wouldn't thye? |
| 16:39.58 | abrotman | sholdn't have to do that .. |
| 16:40.25 | abrotman | but honestly, they're family, they'll forvgive you |
| 16:40.25 | abrotman | :) |
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| 16:42.09 | sandman13 | if you have switch then things are easier I guess, all you would need is an Ethernet cable of certain length v0tick |
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| 16:48.59 | v0tick | Ok I'm going full ham |
| 16:49.12 | v0tick | Will bring this hunk of metal downstairs and plug into an ethernet cable |
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| 16:49.32 | v0tick | Then reinstall using netinstall and it better run properly O_O lol |
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| 16:51.45 | DebSys | good evening gentlemans (and ladies if any) :) |
| 16:52.02 | tensorpudding | Good afternoon. |
| 16:53.57 | v0tick | Which iso should I use? There was one I recall that had firmware already on it, and booted from usb amd64 |
| 16:54.08 | babilen | v0tick: Keep in mind that you will still have to install the nvidia drivers and your wireless should just work in the installer. |
| 16:54.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell v0tick -about firmware image |
| 16:54.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell v0tick -about install xfce |
| 16:54.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell v0tick -about nvidia dkms |
| 16:55.11 | v0tick | babilen: Alright. I'm using ethernet now though, going downstairs and plugging this thing in |
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| 16:55.49 | v0tick | babilen: That way I can actually utilize all the beautiful apt-get stuff without manually transferring via usb and hoping it works. |
| 16:56.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell v0tick -about bdo kernel |
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| 16:56.45 | babilen | Ah, you might not actually need that. And once you have the nvidia drivers it should be easy for you to get it online. All the best! |
| 16:57.06 | v0tick | Thanks! |
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| 16:57.22 | v0tick | I'm hoping once I boot via ethernet it will let me connect and I can install stuff from the internets while in the install guide |
| 16:57.31 | v0tick | Then just apt-get new kernel or something |
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| 17:00.39 | babilen | v0tick: No, you'd have to install everything and you will be thrown into the command line again after your first install. |
| 17:00.56 | babilen | Just make sure you connect and configure your internet so that you can then install the nvidia driver .. |
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| 17:01.11 | babilen | Still don't understand why you prefer all that to simply removing the card for the initial installation, but meh |
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| 17:09.14 | wabi | y0 |
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| 17:10.06 | somiaj | wabi: hello do you have a question about debian today? |
| 17:10.50 | wabi | ive been trying to connect to my open wireless , i did all the commands i found online and it seems i got an ip but still cant access the internet |
| 17:11.27 | somiaj | wabi: lets go back to the start. First are you sure you have the firmware and your wirless drivers are loaded correctly? |
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| 17:12.03 | wabi | during the installation i was connected |
| 17:12.17 | somiaj | via wireless? Again I'm just checking |
| 17:12.20 | wabi | ya |
| 17:13.00 | somiaj | okay, how are you trying to connect to this network? Do you want to use network-manager (or wicd) or the comand line |
| 17:13.30 | wabi | command line because i dont have xorg yet |
| 17:13.53 | somiaj | I would suggest using the /etc/network/interfaces file. How did you try to connect? |
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| 17:15.15 | wabi | dhclient -r wlan0, ifconfig wlan0 up, iwconfig wlan0 essid "xxx ", iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed, dhclient wlan0 |
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| 17:22.29 | wabi | somiaj: what do i write in that file when there is no password? |
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| 17:23.17 | somiaj | wabi: one second |
| 17:23.36 | jmcnaught | wabi: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line this shows you how to do it, then you can use "ifup" and "ifdown" to manage the interface |
| 17:24.09 | FourOClock | Could someone *please* get it through to whoever's in charge of the Installer that, just because someone prefers American English for system language and keyboard layout, that does not make them an American, living in an American Timezone, or prefering American locale for datetime. |
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| 17:25.40 | wabi | is the wireless mode "open" ? |
| 17:26.54 | DanDare | FourOClock, installer presents options to configure both parameters, locale and timezone separately. I dont see anything wrong |
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| 17:27.20 | wabi | managed i guess |
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| 17:27.26 | FourOClock | The CLI-based installer? Because in the graphic installer I didn't see that option. |
| 17:27.28 | Nik05 | pie_ lol sorry i was gone, my computer keeps crashing :) |
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| 17:28.17 | tete_ | hi, i would like to use nginx 1.7.x, so i added the repo as described here: http://nginx.org/en/linux_packages.html but when i do apt-get update && apt-cache search nginx, it still shows the 1.4.x version |
| 17:28.22 | tete_ | can someone tell me why ? |
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| 17:28.50 | DanDare | FourOClock, not sure. Its being a while since the last time i used the graphical installer. But it sounds weird. |
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| 17:29.25 | tete_ | but i see in the apt-get update output that its fetching the files from the nginx repo |
| 17:29.51 | FourOClock | I'm just using it because I'm lazy :P but it seems like such a bad UX-decision. |
| 17:31.37 | jmcnaught | tete_: what does it's say the candidate is when you do "apt-cache policy nginx"? Also are you sure you want to use a third party repo, they sometimes cause problems at release upgrade time. nginx 1.6.0 is in wheezy-backports if that will meet your needs |
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| 17:32.17 | DanDare | FourOClock, I see what you mean. The first screen asking for user input |
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| 17:32.33 | tete_ | jmcnaught, thanks: http://pastebin.com/YCsJz08r |
| 17:32.50 | wabi | i rebooted and im getting several lines of dhcpdiscover |
| 17:33.05 | jmcnaught | tete_: are you using Ubuntu? |
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| 17:33.18 | DanDare | FourOClock, but its fine. I just choose my country (not US), and the second screen offer the chance to set the locale |
| 17:33.24 | tete_ | jmcnaught, yes, sorry, but its quite the same in handling apt, isnt it? |
| 17:33.31 | EmleyMoor | wabi: Is it succeeding? |
| 17:33.55 | jmcnaught | tete_: please don't come here for Ubuntu support. #ubuntu is where you want to ask. |
| 17:33.57 | wabi | i dont know , it went away while i was typing here |
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| 17:34.26 | DanDare | FourOClock, and the 3th screen asks for a keyboard type. So its everything there, even on the graphical installer |
| 17:34.57 | FourOClock | Yeah, I found it too... Though as another nitpick: pressing 'back' doesn't actually take you back to the previous screen every time. |
| 17:34.58 | wabi | now i get 2 wlan0 when i enter ifconfig |
| 17:35.07 | FourOClock | But I think I can handle it. :> |
| 17:35.23 | wabi | ive been trying to connect for hours |
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| 17:35.38 | chaka | Hi, I need help installing python3 on 'debian.apt-get install python3' resulted in :Package python3 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
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| 17:36.49 | jmcnaught | chaka: try python3.2 (on Wheezy) |
| 17:37.01 | v0tick | babilen: I've got ethernet plugged in |
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| 17:37.09 | v0tick | But now I'm back to seeing "can't find ethernet card" error on install.... |
| 17:37.13 | babilen | chaka: Could you paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy python3 python3.2" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 17:37.26 | andreipmbcn | Can I use packages intended for jessie and sid in wheezy? If so, is it sensible to append the relevant repos to sources.list? |
| 17:37.54 | jmcnaught | andreipmbcn: no that's a bad idea, it will create a frankendebian monster! |
| 17:38.07 | DanDare | sounds funny |
| 17:38.18 | chaka | babilen: installing python3.2 resulted in: The following packages have unmet dependencies: python3-crypto : Depends: python3 (>= 3.2.3-3~) but it is not installable Depends: python3 (< 3.3) but it is not installable python3-crypto-dbg : Depends: python3-dbg (>= 3.2) but it is not installable Depends: python3-dbg (< 3.3) but it is not installable python3-lxml : Depends: python3 (>= 3.2.3-3~) |
| 17:38.47 | EmleyMoor | chaka: Are you on wheezy? |
| 17:38.51 | jmcnaught | andreipmbcn: try looking for newer packages in wheezy-backports first, backporting packages yourself is also possible for some things. https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 17:39.17 | chaka | EmleyMoor: I am on Debian 7.6 |
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| 17:39.37 | babilen | chaka: My question remains the same and I would kindly ask you to use a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:39.44 | uforek | is anyone familiar with acpi and getting laptop fans to work? |
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| 17:40.13 | wabi | EmleyMoor: no dhcp offers received |
| 17:40.15 | rrman | uforek: I think you can easily turn them on in bios? |
| 17:40.22 | wabi | EmleyMoor: never mind |
| 17:40.23 | DanDare | uforek, what you mean by 'work'? it doest work at all or just that you cannot control it? |
| 17:40.27 | uforek | rrman, nope. |
| 17:40.41 | babilen | v0tick: That is with the firmware image? |
| 17:40.46 | uforek | DanDare, well, they don't come on, no idea how to control them either. |
| 17:41.23 | uforek | DanDare, im reading through /var/log/messages and seeing some ACPI errors, not sure if they're related to the fan not working though |
| 17:41.32 | DanDare | uforek, if the fan is stopped, totally not working, i suspect its not a debian/linux problem |
| 17:41.43 | uforek | works on windows. |
| 17:41.53 | DanDare | weird |
| 17:42.01 | v0tick | babilen: It is the netinst with firmware iso |
| 17:42.13 | uforek | DanDare, how do i control the fans manually? |
| 17:42.18 | DanDare | uforek, maybe its working but you cant hear it (because is slow?) |
| 17:42.22 | rrman | uforek: `sensor-detect` |
| 17:42.23 | babilen | v0tick: Looks as if fate decided that you shall not install Debian |
| 17:42.34 | uforek | package? |
| 17:42.35 | rrman | uforek: is it recognized? |
| 17:42.36 | v0tick | No kidding... |
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| 17:42.38 | uforek | no |
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| 17:42.39 | DanDare | uforek, do you have lmsensors installed ? |
| 17:42.43 | v0tick | Every possible error I could get hit with has shown up lol |
| 17:42.44 | chaka | babilen: http://pastebin.com/BZ4PwVHz |
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| 17:42.52 | uforek | ill reinstall it |
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| 17:43.02 | babilen | dpkg: tell chaka -about pastebin.com |
| 17:43.04 | rrman | and do a sensor-detect |
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| 17:43.12 | uforek | DanDare i did at some point earlier, testing |
| 17:43.29 | uforek | ok, lm-sensors is installed |
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| 17:44.05 | chaka | DanDare babilen: here is my source list http://pastebin.com/BZ4PwVHz |
| 17:44.17 | babilen | chaka: You have no proper repository configured. Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and make it look like: http://paste.debian.net/113312/ -- Then run "apt-get update" and you should be fine |
| 17:44.18 | DanDare | uforek, try what rrman said. 'sensor-detect' |
| 17:44.20 | andreipmbcn | jmcnaught Okay. There has to be *some* way to get up-to-date software for Debian without building it yourself, though, right? |
| 17:44.21 | uforek | DanDare, what package is sensor-detect in? |
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| 17:44.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell uforek -about apt-file |
| 17:45.01 | uforek | neat, thanks, babilen |
| 17:45.11 | babilen | v0tick: Which NIC do you have in that box? |
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| 17:45.31 | jmcnaught | andreipmbcn: There's a lot of up to date software from http://backports.debian.org/ . Is there a problem you're having with a specific software that doesn't have a feature you need, or do you just like newer version numbers? |
| 17:45.32 | chaka | babilen: thanks |
| 17:45.38 | uforek | there is no native command like apt-file for apt suite? |
| 17:45.46 | andreipmbcn | jmacknaught Ah, I had missed your previous post. Sorry. Thanks a lot. |
| 17:45.53 | DanDare | uforek, you must install apt-file |
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| 17:46.25 | temhaa | hi |
| 17:46.52 | temhaa | I'm using debian wheezy from vps. |
| 17:46.55 | rrman | uforek: Whats the brand of your laptop? |
| 17:46.57 | babilen | uforek: apt-file is *the* command |
| 17:47.21 | uforek | acer aspire 5560-SB613 |
| 17:47.22 | temhaa | I can not see build directory in /lib/modules/version |
| 17:47.40 | temhaa | in normally should be? |
| 17:47.53 | rrman | oh there was a package for dell, not sure about acer |
| 17:47.58 | uforek | apt-file search sensor-detect returns no results. |
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| 17:48.06 | uforek | acer-wmi, rrman? |
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| 17:48.51 | somiaj | uforek: sensors-detect? |
| 17:49.15 | uforek | ahh, sensors. |
| 17:49.16 | v0tick | babilen: PCI-e |
| 17:49.17 | somiaj | uforek: lm-sensors: /usr/sbin/sensors-detect |
| 17:49.17 | v0tick | babilen: using qualcom atheros E2200 |
| 17:49.19 | uforek | ok, yes, working. |
| 17:49.44 | babilen | dpkg: u2200 |
| 17:49.45 | dpkg | no idea, babilen |
| 17:49.49 | babilen | dpkg: e2200 |
| 17:49.50 | dpkg | alx is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Qualcomm Atheros AR8161 and QCA8171 Gigabit Ethernet, and the AR8162 and QCA8172 Fast Ethernet controllers. The Debian 7 "Wheezy" release supports AR8161 and AR8162 devices. See https://wiki.debian.org/alx for more information and supported devices. |
| 17:50.05 | babilen | v0tick: Which one exactly? |
| 17:50.08 | uforek | DanDare, i have sensors-detect running... now what? |
| 17:50.22 | somiaj | just follow though it's questions and take note which ones it detects |
| 17:50.43 | babilen | v0tick: But it looks as if you need a newer kernel for your ethernet card too |
| 17:50.48 | v0tick | babilen: uh I'll check |
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| 17:50.58 | v0tick | babilen: yeah it seems most of these errors are coming from an old kernel.... |
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| 17:51.15 | rrman | uforek: Did you run it? |
| 17:51.25 | babilen | Yeah, sorry .. I bugged some of the people, but I wouldn't expect an installer with a newer kernel to come forth. |
| 17:51.27 | uforek | rrman, yeah, its not detecting a lot of things |
| 17:52.14 | v0tick | babilen: It says in manual it is an E2200gigabit lan |
| 17:52.25 | babilen | v0tick: I *still* don't understand why you can't connect to the wireless network in the installer though. It should be possible as your adapter is support and you know that it is encrypted and the password. |
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| 17:52.38 | babilen | yeah, that isn't nearly precise enough |
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| 17:52.57 | uforek | rrman, trying to decipher which sensor the fan uses... |
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| 17:53.21 | v0tick | babilen: device [1969:e091 revision 10)ethernet controller 0200 |
| 17:53.36 | babilen | judd: pciid 1969:e091 |
| 17:53.37 | judd | [1969:e091] is 'Killer E220x Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in wheezy but has kernel module 'alx' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:e091 http://wiki.debian.org/alx |
| 17:54.00 | babilen | v0tick: Yeah, you need a newer kernel for that too. Do you still have your "old" Debian install? |
| 17:54.02 | uforek | rrman, "thermal sensors", i'm guessing are the ones im interested in? |
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| 17:54.23 | v0tick | babilen: Yeah my other one I tried is still on boot if I need it |
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| 17:54.34 | rrman | uforek: yes i think it could be, did you tried to upgrade your bios? |
| 17:54.45 | uforek | only 1 of the 4 sensors are using the k10temp driver, the other 3 aren't using anything |
| 17:54.57 | uforek | there are no upgrades for my bios |
| 17:55.11 | v0tick | babilen: I don't get how to install a newer kernel though, I spent like 6 hours following commands online on how to do it but nothing changed anything |
| 17:55.21 | v0tick | babilen: I removed graphics card though so that nouveau garbage is gone |
| 17:55.46 | babilen | v0tick: Okay, I guess a reasonable way forward is to download the kernel package and to install it manually. |
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| 17:56.05 | v0tick | babilen: Is there a guide you'd recommend on how to do this? |
| 17:56.15 | babilen | v0tick: One second |
| 17:56.29 | uforek | have a look http://pastebin.com/jHAiX05Q, rrman, DanDare. |
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| 17:58.03 | babilen | Stop using pastebin.com! |
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| 17:58.29 | rrman | uforek: i ll look at it, try this i think it would be usefull: install mempat binary & acer_fancontrol script into your /usr/bin |
| 17:58.39 | babilen | v0tick: Download: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 + https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/initramfs-tools + https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 17:59.43 | babilen | v0tick: Once you have them put them on a stick and plug them in. Mount the stick on Debian and install them *all* with "dpkg -i /media/yourstick/path/to/*.deb" -- I might have forgotten a dependency so please let me know if that complains. |
| 17:59.55 | babilen | If you are unsure how to do any of this let us know |
| 17:59.56 | uforek | rrman, mempat? |
| 18:00.07 | v0tick | alright babilen will do |
| 18:00.11 | babilen | s/them/it |
| 18:00.16 | rrman | mempat binary and acer_fancontrol |
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| 18:00.32 | rrman | yes but idont have acer to test |
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| 18:00.58 | babilen | v0tick: You will then have the new kernel and should be able to use your ethernet. Make sure you have something like "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in your /etc/network/interfaces (check if it is the right interface in "ip a") and then run "ifup eth0" |
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| 18:02.29 | uforek | rrman, mempat and acer_fancontrol are unavailable |
| 18:02.56 | babilen | v0tick: Once you are online edit your sources.list and make it look like: http://paste.debian.net/113312/ and run "apt-get update" -- Then install a kernel metapackage and headers with "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64" and then follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy-backports |
| 18:02.58 | rrman | uforek i ll try to find it... |
| 18:03.56 | babilen | v0tick: Ah, reboot after you installed the new kernel (and please double check that I didn't miss any dependencies there) |
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| 18:06.20 | uforek | i gotta get going. let me know if you find anything |
| 18:06.38 | rrman | where to notify you? |
| 18:06.41 | uforek | rrman, bbl, buffering chat though. lemme know if you find it. |
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| 18:07.05 | uforek | rrman, check pm box. |
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| 18:20.56 | v0tick | babilen: I installed all the .deb packages you sent me |
| 18:21.03 | v0tick | babilen: What do now? |
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| 18:31.16 | cYris212 | ls |
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| 18:35.29 | irinix_ | how do I use /dev/random to generate entropy for SSH-Keygen? |
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| 18:37.08 | babilen | irinix_: /dev/urandom I'd hope |
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| 18:37.43 | babilen | (and you have to generate entropy by other means and not by consuming it, move the mouse, raise interrupts, run processes, ..) |
| 18:38.13 | ashka | hm, I'm having an issue, a program I need needs libc6 >=2.14, and both wheezy and wheezy-backports go up to 2.13. What can I do ? |
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| 18:39.21 | irinix_ | yeah I'm about to gen a 16384 bit key per policy and hate moving the mouse around for an hour or thirty |
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| 18:39.53 | somiaj | ashka: you can't install such a program in debian stable and still be stable. You need to compile the program against the wheezy version of libc6. If you cannot do this (due to a closed source) then you cannot run that program on wheezy and be considered stable |
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| 18:41.06 | ashka | that's what I thought. I considered jessie but I can't run the video driver I want there |
| 18:41.12 | ashka | thanks for the answer |
| 18:41.15 | jmcnaught | ashka: you might be able to run the program in a chroot |
| 18:41.25 | ashka | installed with debootstrap ? I'll try |
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| 18:42.33 | jmcnaught | ashka: https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot this is what I've used to help friends run stuff that requires newer libc6 |
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| 18:44.09 | jhutchins | Why would people be releasing software for a libc that's not in most distros |
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| 18:44.58 | ashka | jmcnaught: that seems more appropriate than a raw chroot for daily use, thanks |
| 18:45.20 | FourOClock | Yes, gnome3, I'm aware that you're a piece of crap, no need to remind me every time you fail. |
| 18:45.23 | FourOClock | shakes his monitor |
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| 18:46.07 | idioterna | weird |
| 18:46.27 | idioterna | i've loved gnome ever since i stopped using it, i wonder what's bothering you :) |
| 18:46.41 | FourOClock | :P |
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| 18:47.23 | v0tick | babilen: Still didn't work ;_; |
| 18:47.44 | v0tick | aww man. I've got ethernet plugged in, 6 options to boot from in grub, still can't detect network interface on install or ethernet card |
| 18:48.40 | jhutchins | v0tick: Possibly bad card/cable/switch port? |
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| 18:48.55 | v0tick | the cable works on laptop though... It's something to do with drivers or whatnot |
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| 18:51.16 | jhutchins | We had one the other day where the card didn't work in Linux, but worked in Windows. When he looked at it closer, Windows was full of errors and was getting terrible speed. Turned out to be bad cable. |
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| 18:51.32 | jhutchins | v0tick: does it show up in dmesg? |
| 18:51.45 | ashka | in my chroot, how can I make it so that su authentificates without any password ? |
| 18:52.17 | jhutchins | ashka: sudo. |
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| 18:53.17 | v0tick | jhutchins: It shows qualcomm atheros ethernet in the dmesg list, yes |
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| 18:54.00 | jhutchins | v0tick: Ok, it knows what it is then. Does it show up in ifconfig -a? |
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| 18:55.59 | v0tick | OH MAN. I GOT A PING |
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| 18:56.11 | v0tick | I went to /etc/network/interfaces and replaced wlan0 with eth0, total random change omfg |
| 18:56.17 | v0tick | and it is able to ping omg omg |
| 18:56.25 | jmcnaught | ashka: with schroot, check "man schroot" and "man schroot.conf" for the details, but if you add a user to "root-users" (or "root-groups") that user will be able to launch the chroot with "schroot -c <chrootname> -u root" |
| 18:56.48 | jhutchins | v0tick: These computers. Picky, picky, picky. |
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| 18:57.46 | ashka | oh okay, didn't notice -u option, thanks. |
| 18:58.30 | v0tick | jhutchins: thing is now, how do I get stuff? I have a big black terminal, no gui lol |
| 18:58.59 | jmcnaught | ashka: note that root access inside a chroot can still be dangerous :) |
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| 18:59.23 | jhutchins | v0tick: Most powerful tool in computing, that big black terminal. |
| 18:59.28 | jhutchins | v0tick: What do you want? |
| 18:59.36 | v0tick | jhutchins: A cheeseburger |
| 18:59.36 | babilen | v0tick: I told you to add "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to /etc/network/interfaces (but you obviously forgot that) |
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| 18:59.43 | v0tick | babilen: I'm sorry ;_; |
| 18:59.59 | jhutchins | v0tick: aptitude will install software for you. |
| 19:00.00 | jmcnaught | ashka: also if this application you're trying to get working in the schroot is Steam I'd like to know if it works so I can recommend that to others (doesn't work for me but I have Intel graphics) |
| 19:00.05 | v0tick | Alright, awesome! |
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| 19:00.18 | babilen | v0tick: Not configure your sources.list and install the backported kernel and driver (and everything else) |
| 19:00.23 | jhutchins | v0tick: It also has some search capability. |
| 19:00.30 | v0tick | babilen: I've got several options now on my grub, should I uninstall something or keep them there? I can boot into either the bpo thing, or other 2 |
| 19:00.48 | v0tick | jhutchins: I'm so glad to have this terminal up, I could live my whole life with ping and nothing more |
| 19:00.55 | v0tick | well I may need something else to download soon but yeah |
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| 19:01.38 | scotty68 | how can i get mozilla thunderbird on debian |
| 19:01.43 | babilen | v0tick: I wouldn't remove them just yet and other kernels don't hurt (you should only have one though) |
| 19:01.46 | scotty68 | is there a command i can punch into a terminal |
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| 19:02.05 | centrx | scotty68, apt-get install icedove |
| 19:02.16 | jmcnaught | scotty68: thunderbird is renamed "icedove" on Debian due to trademark issues |
| 19:02.25 | v0tick | alright I won't remove then |
| 19:02.31 | v0tick | also babilen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShUISXZyHVQ < There is my setup |
| 19:02.31 | scotty68 | got it |
| 19:02.32 | scotty68 | thx |
| 19:02.42 | v0tick | If you want an idea of how intense this got |
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| 19:03.44 | babilen | v0tick: So, configured sources.list and ran "apt-get update" ? |
| 19:03.59 | ashka | okay, the application starts in chroot, however I have another problem, it needs audio. is there any environment I can pass so it knows how to connect to my running pulseaudio instance ? |
| 19:04.00 | v0tick | babilen: Not yet, what must I do to sources.list again? |
| 19:04.17 | v0tick | babilen: I have to head to a friends place shortly; but I'm going to regain my thoughts and list what I must do to have KDE environment setup |
| 19:04.30 | v0tick | babilen: and boxed tiling windows with vim |
| 19:04.37 | v0tick | babilen: Then I can live my life without ever seeing the light of day again |
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| 19:07.04 | babilen | v0tick: http://paste.debian.net/113318/ (and log IRC sessions) |
| 19:07.51 | v0tick | babilen: Oh yeah, I'll log them on my laptop, thanks |
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| 19:10.33 | meek_geek | hi |
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| 19:11.40 | v0tick | Well I must be going now, thanks for the help everyone. |
| 19:12.10 | scotty68 | is there some command i can punch in to get torbirdy for ice dove |
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| 19:13.09 | FourOClock | Sweet. microsd -> multireader -> windows -> virtualbox -> debian... And it worked from the first time! |
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| 19:41.00 | ScottSteiner | How can I automatically mount a usb external device (a camera) to the same path no matter what usb port it's plugged into? |
| 19:41.45 | babilen | ScottSteiner: Most filemanagers would mount it to /media/$USER/$FILESYSTEMLABEL |
| 19:42.09 | babilen | (well, not all use $USER) |
| 19:42.16 | meek_geek | how to update the kernel to 3.14 in stable ? |
| 19:42.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell meek_geek -about bdo kernel |
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| 19:44.36 | meek_geek | babilen, Linux 3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.14.12-1~bpo70+1 (2014-07-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:44.41 | meek_geek | am I using the latest ? |
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| 19:48.59 | wabi | i get permission denied when running speaker-test as user |
| 19:49.12 | wabi | even though my user is member of audio group |
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| 19:50.41 | ashka | is there a way with schroot to run a script when I start a session, but after mounting stuff from /etc/schroot/mount-* ? |
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| 19:57.46 | dougdiez | i spent at least 4 hours trying to enable the 'edit/write function' my usb pendrive(ntfs), tryied almost all tutorial that i found on google and nothing worked. Someone know what could be ? i can acess edit/remove/write on my windows partition (ntfs) in the same HD normally, but can't do anything like that on my pendrive |
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| 19:59.20 | babilen | meek_geek: Why do you think you don't? |
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| 20:00.40 | meek_geek | babilen, I think there is not way to verify as the latest LTS kernel is 3.14.15 |
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| 20:02.07 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 20:02.08 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.16-rc6-686-pae (3.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.13-2); jessie: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.13-2); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.12-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 20:02.48 | meek_geek | omg |
| 20:03.02 | meek_geek | I am using the latest from the backports then |
| 20:03.10 | meek_geek | ,linux |
| 20:03.14 | meek_geek | :[ |
| 20:03.16 | Toxism | Jessie is going to have 3.14 then? |
| 20:03.23 | meek_geek | yep |
| 20:03.35 | meek_geek | Jessie would have 3.14 LTS |
| 20:03.39 | meek_geek | prolly |
| 20:03.40 | jhutchins | Toxism: Probably even later, 3.16 is in thepopeline. |
| 20:03.47 | jhutchins | the pipeline. |
| 20:03.50 | centrx | Jessie will be 3.16 |
| 20:04.10 | Toxism | What do you mean even later jhutchins? I was assuming Jessie would be on 3.16 since Ubuntu is supporting that |
| 20:04.12 | meek_geek | So Jessie would be the latest GNU+Linux distro then |
| 20:04.16 | jhutchins | centrx: Or later, we're not frozen yet. |
| 20:04.25 | centrx | There was an announcement |
| 20:04.35 | jhutchins | centrx: Ah? |
| 20:05.10 | jhutchins | Well, if there's something brilliant in 3.18 I guess they can always change their minds. |
| 20:05.23 | centrx | jhutchins, https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/07/msg00006.html |
| 20:05.33 | jhutchins | centrx: Thx. |
| 20:06.15 | Toxism | I am happy with 3.14, all my hardware supported oob |
| 20:06.16 | jhutchins | Oh, they have a freeze date set too. |
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| 20:07.23 | Toxism | Yes, I am assuming that's why maintainers are pulling packages out |
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| 20:07.53 | heurist | jessie freeze is set for nov 5 https://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html |
| 20:08.05 | babilen | meek_geek: jessie will release with 3.16 |
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| 20:08.42 | babilen | https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2014/07/msg00413.html |
| 20:08.58 | clark__ | babilen, I have done some reading and I been misunderstanding what it mean to take snapshots so thank you for that advice |
| 20:08.58 | clark__ | now , I constantly fuck up my system installing stuff and then not knowing if I open some ports or created some executables, |
| 20:08.58 | clark__ | now I been thinking about trying to set up an environment that prevent me from doing this. |
| 20:09.21 | babilen | .oO( Stop fucking up your system ?! ) |
| 20:09.25 | clark__ | the idea is to create another admin account where I store snapshots and have a database for integrity checks (AIDE) so instead |
| 20:09.25 | clark__ | of doing a clean install everytime I fuck my system up I can return to a snapshot. |
| 20:09.33 | petern_ | Stop installing shit ;p |
| 20:09.36 | clark__ | is this a good idea or not? anybody else that have such a system ? |
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| 20:09.55 | meek_geek | babilen, awesome |
| 20:10.05 | babilen | clark__: But feel free to create snapshots whenever you do something |
| 20:10.40 | dougdiez | i spent at least 4 hours trying to enable the 'edit/write function' my usb pendrive(ntfs), tryied almost all tutorial that i found on google and nothing worked. i can acess edit/remove/write on my windows partition (ntfs) in the same HD normally, but can't do anything like that on my pendrive. Someone know what could be ? |
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| 20:12.12 | jhutchins | dougdiez: It's probably being mounted through the GUI (Gnome) and getting mounted read only. |
| 20:12.25 | petern_ | Is Jessie's freeze policy significantly different to earlier policies? |
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| 20:13.43 | jhutchins | dougdiez: You can mount it from the console as root with whatever permissions you want. |
| 20:13.46 | clark__ | babilen, then you create snapshots do you do that as the same user as normal ? |
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| 20:13.56 | jhutchins | dougdiez: Usually people put an entry in their fstab that specifies the options. |
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| 20:14.53 | dougdiez | jhutchins that's cool! how i can learn to do that ? |
| 20:15.55 | babilen | clark__: You cannot create a variety of snapshots if you are not root/have superuser privileges |
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| 20:16.38 | babilen | But get yourself a vm in, say, virt-manager and just snapshot that and break it to your hearts intent |
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| 20:19.27 | clark__ | babilen, yes maybe that is an alternative, I had the idea that I could have a different admin user there I store settings I want to keep and try out program in another, |
| 20:19.48 | clark__ | ..maybe that is not the way things are done ? |
| 20:20.57 | clark__ | petern_, I try a lot of different things doing a lot of web programming |
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| 20:21.31 | DebSys | exit |
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| 20:21.41 | petern_ | I use virt-manager stuff myself, with stable running my desktop, and testing stuff in VMs with no damage. |
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| 20:23.05 | Toxism | clark__: I've been looking to do something similar, but I didn't know AIDE could take snapshots. I was planning what babilen suggested. |
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| 20:24.54 | clark__ | Toxism, no I don't thing AIDE can take snapshots, it was just that the AIDE database should have different permissions |
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| 20:25.35 | Toxism | Ah I misunderstood then |
| 20:25.54 | petern_ | Hmm, is it possible to have hardlinks with different owners? I'm guessing not. |
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| 20:32.12 | jhutchins | petern_: tias |
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| 20:55.50 | Jobbe | In debian, i have openbox + xfce4-panel installed - in the xfce4 panel i have the applications menu - however i would like to change the menu, i just need an example file so i can make my own menu file. question is: where is the "default menu" file located ? |
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| 20:56.24 | abrotman | /usr/share/menu/ IIRC |
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| 20:56.53 | Jobbe | abrotman: yes, however there is a bunch of files in there |
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| 20:59.40 | abrotman | Jobbe: yes, look at the contents, should make more sense |
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| 21:00.50 | Jobbe | i am |
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| 21:06.23 | T-Rog|deb | I'm trying to install Cinnamon and I *think* have added the Linux Mint repositories. But I've ran into some trouble. It says I have unmet dependencies as well as held broken packages. I am unsure how to proceed. |
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| 21:07.49 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: That's not supported here, nor recommended. |
| 21:08.11 | T-Rog|deb | so installing Cinnamon on Debian is not recommended? |
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| 21:09.23 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: installing it using Mint repositories is not recommended by #debian |
| 21:09.36 | T-Rog|deb | I didn't know there was another way |
| 21:09.45 | abrotman | judd: versions cinnamon |
| 21:09.46 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 2.2.14-3 |
| 21:09.56 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: depends how well versed you are with linux |
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| 21:11.07 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: There at least a dozen other fairly capable Window Managers and Desktop Environments in Wheezy, why do you feel the need to use Cinnamon? |
| 21:11.52 | T-Rog|deb | Well gnome has... ruffled my jimmies, xfce is ugly in my humble opinion, and MATE isn't pretty enough |
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| 21:12.18 | abrotman | What's wrong with Gnome3? I've been using it for some time |
| 21:12.30 | abrotman | (Have you tried LXDE or KDE?) |
| 21:13.06 | T-Rog|deb | I'm okay with Gnome 3's Classic mode, but it doesn't offer enough in the way of customization |
| 21:13.10 | T-Rog|deb | regular Gnome3 is just... |
| 21:13.12 | T-Rog|deb | shivers |
| 21:13.22 | abrotman | I can't help with shivers .. |
| 21:13.40 | dvs | !coffee T-Rog|deb |
| 21:13.40 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of fair trade Colombian for T-Rog|deb, courtesy of dvs |
| 21:13.47 | Jobbe | found it there /etc/xfce/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu |
| 21:14.07 | T-Rog|deb | judd: so I need to add in the Sid repositories |
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| 21:14.21 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: no, htat's not what I said .. |
| 21:14.32 | abrotman | That's not recommended either |
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| 21:15.15 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: Have you tried KDE or LXDE? |
| 21:15.37 | T-Rog|deb | Well I've used Knoppix before so I have seen LXDE |
| 21:15.42 | T-Rog|deb | it's... okay... |
| 21:15.44 | abrotman | Knoppix isn't LXDE |
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| 21:15.47 | abrotman | not last I knew |
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| 21:15.51 | Artej | hi |
| 21:15.54 | T-Rog|deb | this was back when I was in middleschool |
| 21:16.06 | T-Rog|deb | so... more than six years ago |
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| 21:16.09 | Artej | does anybody own broadcom wifi notebooks? |
| 21:16.19 | Artej | is module 'wl' there |
| 21:16.22 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: wasn't LXDE |
| 21:16.27 | Artej | I am trying to help friend on phone |
| 21:16.32 | abrotman | Artej: depends on which broadcom device it is |
| 21:16.34 | EmleyMoor | Artej: Mine uses wl |
| 21:16.37 | Artej | 4313 |
| 21:16.46 | Artej | it is written in wiki wl comes by default |
| 21:16.54 | Artej | and my friend can't find it in lsmod |
| 21:17.06 | T-Rog|deb | abrotman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Knoppix_6.0.1.png |
| 21:17.08 | T-Rog|deb | are you sure |
| 21:17.20 | T-Rog|deb | because it looked just like that |
| 21:17.31 | abrotman | see above "last I knew" |
| 21:17.37 | abrotman | looks |
| 21:18.17 | abrotman | wonders when it switched |
| 21:18.19 | abrotman | anyway .. |
| 21:18.31 | T-Rog|deb | (more than six years ago) |
| 21:18.48 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: There is no method we're going to recommend to latch Cinnamon on top of Wheezy, it's just not recommended by #debian using pre-built packages that are known to us |
| 21:18.59 | Artej | abrotman: so can you quickly do lsmod |grep wl for me? |
| 21:18.59 | T-Rog|deb | I'm using Jessie |
| 21:19.05 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: so we can help you fix Gnome3, or find another WM, or some other solution |
| 21:19.11 | abrotman | Artej: I'm not on that laptop |
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| 21:19.18 | abrotman | dpkg: tell T-Rog|deb about ssb |
| 21:20.12 | T-Rog|deb | so it's okay on Jessie but not on Wheezy? |
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| 21:21.46 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: it's far more feasible .. |
| 21:22.31 | T-Rog|deb | is cloning the latest cinnamon from the git repository ever a good idea? |
| 21:24.58 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: I don't know, I just said I use Gnome3 and I think it works quite well |
| 21:25.22 | T-Rog|deb | isn't Linux all about user preference? |
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| 21:28.03 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: I fail to see you point? |
| 21:28.05 | abrotman | your |
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| 21:28.27 | T-Rog|deb | that's a discussion more suited for #debian-offtopic |
| 21:29.00 | abrotman | I have no idea .. you haven't said one single concrete thing about what makes Gnome3 unusable for you, so I can't even attempt to help you .. just vague whining |
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| 21:32.11 | T-Rog|deb | first of all most of the time when I move my mouse cursor to the corner of the screen to click on applications the "gnome 3" menu thing pops up where it lists all of my applications with no sort of organization and I just wanted to click on the applications button |
| 21:32.36 | T-Rog|deb | that's the biggest thing |
| 21:33.01 | abrotman | which corner? |
| 21:33.05 | T-Rog|deb | top left |
| 21:33.19 | abrotman | you can change what's in the left bar |
| 21:33.22 | T-Rog|deb | remember I only use Gnome Classic/Fallback |
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| 21:33.38 | abrotman | oh, i don't use gnome classic, again .. what's your problem with Gnome3 ? |
| 21:33.47 | T-Rog|deb | regular gnome3 |
| 21:33.49 | T-Rog|deb | everything |
| 21:33.56 | T-Rog|deb | there's no minimize maximize buttons |
| 21:34.00 | T-Rog|deb | everything's disorganized |
| 21:34.12 | T-Rog|deb | I just want an applications button with a dropdown menu |
| 21:34.21 | T-Rog|deb | not that weird tiling icons thing |
| 21:34.28 | abrotman | Yeah, I'm using Jessie, I have those things .. |
| 21:34.51 | azashog | Now that you guys mention it, I do have a problem with Gnome 3, every time the screen locks, or returns from hibernation, I can't see the login prompt. All I see is a blue square covering some 4/5 of the screen. I have two monitors, could be that? nvidia drivers. |
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| 21:35.07 | abrotman | azashog: I suspect you're using gdm3? |
| 21:35.28 | T-Rog|deb | http://www.dedoimedo.com/images/computers_years/2011_1/gnome-3-using.jpg |
| 21:35.29 | azashog | abrotman: I'm not sure, default Debian Wheezy desktop. |
| 21:35.31 | T-Rog|deb | this ^ |
| 21:35.36 | T-Rog|deb | this is what drives me insane |
| 21:35.57 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: have you tried the gnome-tweak-tool ? |
| 21:36.10 | abrotman | (for some of those things) |
| 21:36.18 | T-Rog|deb | this is the first time I've heard of it |
| 21:36.29 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: also, that screenshot looks old |
| 21:36.43 | abrotman | like from Wheezy, not Jessie |
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| 21:37.03 | T-Rog|deb | well my Jessie netinstall came with XFCE and the sooner I get rid of it the better |
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| 21:37.19 | abrotman | so try gnome3? try lxde? try something else |
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| 21:37.43 | edoardo | hello! |
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| 21:37.51 | ricepooding | lol, what's wrong with xfce? |
| 21:38.04 | abrotman | it's not for everyone, just like gnome3 isn't for everyone .. |
| 21:38.04 | edoardo | ricepooding, it's deprecated! |
| 21:38.10 | ricepooding | edoardo, love it |
| 21:38.12 | edoardo | (still, i'm using it lol) |
| 21:38.14 | abrotman | hence .. choice .. |
| 21:38.21 | ricepooding | edoardo, ehe, right here too |
| 21:38.36 | edoardo | but i'm using mate on the laptop and i like it more |
| 21:38.36 | ricepooding | abrotman, fairs, do you have a preference? |
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| 21:38.57 | ricepooding | edoardo, does TAILS use MATE/Gnome classic? i like that |
| 21:38.58 | abrotman | I like gnome3, works well enough for me |
| 21:39.13 | edoardo | however, if i only want to get ONE package and its dependances from jessie |
| 21:39.16 | edoardo | how do i do that? |
| 21:39.23 | abrotman | edoardo: we do not support MATE here |
| 21:39.23 | edoardo | i'm on a raspberry running wheezy |
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| 21:39.35 | abrotman | rather .. Tails |
| 21:39.36 | abrotman | grr |
| 21:39.38 | abrotman | edoardo: you don't |
| 21:39.48 | abrotman | edoardo: which package? |
| 21:39.52 | edoardo | owncloud |
| 21:39.56 | ricepooding | abrotman, i know, i was just wondering if that's what it used |
| 21:39.57 | abrotman | just a small thing eh ? |
| 21:40.04 | abrotman | ricepooding: by me, yes .. others, no |
| 21:40.11 | edoardo | well, it's basically just a web app |
| 21:40.21 | edoardo | it's not that big |
| 21:40.31 | ricepooding | edoardo, set up a chroot |
| 21:40.35 | abrotman | edoardo: is the version in wheezy-backports not sufficient ? |
| 21:40.54 | edoardo | no, since it's 6.0.3 |
| 21:41.07 | abrotman | judd: checkbackport owncloud |
| 21:41.08 | judd | Backporting package owncloud in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy. |
| 21:41.10 | edoardo | that's deprecated and everyone is using the stable 7.0.0 |
| 21:41.14 | abrotman | dpkg: tell edoardo about ssb |
| 21:41.18 | abrotman | edoardo: good luck |
| 21:41.45 | edoardo | why sources? |
| 21:42.04 | abrotman | that's the 'best' way |
| 21:42.14 | abrotman | you're compiling from Debian-ized sources .. |
| 21:42.30 | edoardo | whell |
| 21:42.35 | edoardo | well |
| 21:42.40 | edoardo | i think i'll upgrade to jessie |
| 21:42.47 | petern_ | Silly. |
| 21:42.50 | edoardo | changed my mind about the one package thing |
| 21:43.18 | edoardo | refresh my memory, do i only need to change wheezy to jessie in sources.apt? |
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| 21:43.31 | abrotman | what could go wrong .. |
| 21:43.33 | petern_ | If you need to ask... |
| 21:43.51 | edoardo | ok, you guys are scaring me |
| 21:43.56 | ricepooding | edoardo, just set up a chroot |
| 21:44.08 | edoardo | i don't remember how, but i successfully upgraded to jessie on my laptop |
| 21:44.12 | ricepooding | edoardo, easy, does the job exactly as you'd expect |
| 21:44.34 | ricepooding | edoardo, if you really want to upgrade to jessie for one package then just change all instances of 'wheezy' in sources.list to 'jessie' |
| 21:44.53 | edoardo | it's a fairly new raspberry |
| 21:44.55 | azashog | abrotman: you mentioned gdm3, why, is it a known issue? |
| 21:45.00 | jelly-home | edoardo: embedded systems can have different issues, however, if you really want to go that way read /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie |
| 21:45.02 | abrotman | ricepooding: no, that is not what that does .. don't say that |
| 21:45.08 | edoardo | so i don't have a lot of pacjages |
| 21:45.12 | petern_ | edoardo, not running raspbian? |
| 21:45.22 | edoardo | petern_, had some issues with that |
| 21:45.23 | abrotman | azashog: I only ask because I wouldn't be able to confirm it, my UID has some issue with GDM3 that I haven't isolated yet |
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| 21:45.34 | edoardo | i'm running pipaos, that's just raspbian preconfigured |
| 21:45.42 | abrotman | wtf, why did you say wheezy? |
| 21:45.53 | edoardo | abrotman, because it's based on debian wheezy |
| 21:45.54 | ricepooding | abrotman, it's super easy to set up a jessie chroot to use packages from the jessie repos without borking your base system, what's the problem? |
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| 21:46.06 | abrotman | edoardo: please don't do that, we don't know a god damn thing about pipaos |
| 21:46.19 | abrotman | for all we know, any instructions we give you will completely destroy your system |
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| 21:46.32 | abrotman | ricepooding: you're giving him two different sets of instructions |
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| 21:47.24 | ricepooding | abrotman, chroot seems like the way to go, IMo |
| 21:47.41 | abrotman | ricepooding: it doesn' tmatter, it's OT here, feel free to help him in the PipaOS channel |
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| 21:48.17 | ricepooding | abrotman, oh shit he was using a different os |
| 21:48.26 | ricepooding | abrotman, lol, my bad -__- |
| 21:48.55 | abrotman | edoardo: Please don't try to evade the ban, you're offtopic here, this channel only supports Debian |
| 21:49.36 | ricepooding | you banned him? |
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| 21:50.00 | petern_ | +q'd |
| 21:50.32 | ricepooding | brb, googling what +q'd means... |
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| 21:50.59 | dvs | ricepooding: shhhhhhhhhhhhh! |
| 21:51.07 | HalfAwesome | Can anyone help with a wireless packet loss issue? Consistently getting 14% dropped packets and other wireless devices aren't experiencing the issue. I searched around for debian+my wireless adapter but I'm only seeing stuff from Debian 3.2 |
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| 21:51.24 | HalfAwesome | The wireless adapter is: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 21:51.40 | abrotman | HalfAwesome: what is 'uname -a' ? |
| 21:52.19 | HalfAwesome | abrotman: Linux production 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:52.35 | abrotman | HalfAwesome: you can try the kernel from backports and see if that helps |
| 21:53.44 | HalfAwesome | abrotman: I won't like I don't know what that means |
| 21:53.48 | HalfAwesome | lie* |
| 21:53.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell HalfAwesome about wheezy backports |
| 21:54.03 | abrotman | dpkg: tell HalfAwesome about backports kernel |
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| 21:54.55 | HalfAwesome | I'm being told about stuff thanks |
| 21:55.00 | abrotman | dpkg: tell HalfAwesome about backport kernel |
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| 21:55.05 | abrotman | grr |
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| 21:55.11 | abrotman | dpkg: tell HalfAwesome about bdo kernel |
| 21:55.16 | abrotman | Finally :) |
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| 21:58.23 | HalfAwesome | abrotman: I was stuck in a bdo > wheezy backports > bdo > ... loop for an embarrassingly long time |
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| 21:58.44 | HalfAwesome | "ask me about bdo" sure why not |
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| 21:59.07 | abrotman | HalfAwesome: /msg dpkg bdo |
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| 21:59.48 | HalfAwesome | abrotman: haha yeah no i got it working. i had it working too well |
| 22:00.23 | abrotman | okay |
| 22:01.10 | T-Rog|deb | I think I managed to grab the Cinnamon package from the Sid repository |
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| 22:02.37 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: you don't get to cry if something breaks :) |
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| 22:02.47 | dotDeb | hm. VLC is failing to play youtube videos |
| 22:02.52 | dotDeb | and minitube isn't in backports |
| 22:02.54 | dotDeb | :/ |
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| 22:03.28 | T-Rog|deb | abrotman: if it doesn't work I'll simply install Gnome... maybe... |
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| 22:03.42 | T-Rog|deb | it can't "break" my system and make it unusable can it? |
| 22:03.54 | henry11 | Hi I have question. In fact, I would like to have the list of the backports which I can add in my /etc/apt/source.list files. I would like to add the backport concerning Jessie. Can you help me please? |
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| 22:04.15 | henry11 | Debien Jessie Testing |
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| 22:04.37 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: wtf knows .. it could .. you'll find out, hopefully not |
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| 22:04.56 | dotDeb | henry11 deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main ? |
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| 22:05.39 | henry11 | dotDeb: I need for Jessie (Debian Testing) |
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| 22:05.57 | dotDeb | henry11 what do you mean? |
| 22:06.24 | dotDeb | henry11 wheezy-backports pulls from testing |
| 22:06.37 | dotDeb | afaik there are no backports that pull from experimental |
| 22:06.55 | LIERO | all the fonts on the GUI of random applications are very small |
| 22:07.02 | LIERO | running xfce on wheezy |
| 22:07.09 | henry11 | I am using a Debian Stable Wheezy, but I need Jessie Testing backports. |
| 22:07.14 | LIERO | tried poking around in appearance settings, etc |
| 22:07.16 | LIERO | nothing |
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| 22:07.21 | LIERO | any ideas? |
| 22:07.21 | LIERO | xD |
| 22:07.23 | rryoumaa | i have "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib" which is a little strange because it says ftp not http. i suppose i should chnage it to http? |
| 22:07.23 | abrotman | henry11: no, you don't |
| 22:07.34 | abrotman | henry11: you don't need any sources that mention jessie or testing |
| 22:07.39 | jpleau | LIERO: "random applications", we can't guess :) |
| 22:07.55 | dotDeb | henry11 so you're running wheezy and you need packages from jessie? If that's the case then use wheezy-backports. |
| 22:08.03 | dotDeb | wheezy-backports pulls from jessie |
| 22:08.04 | rocko2 | how forget what is the command to show permissions in terminal? |
| 22:08.09 | henry11 | I would like to have the cross-compiler for ARM. And we can find it only in Jessie. |
| 22:08.12 | dvs | rryoumaa: you should use http://http.debian.net instead |
| 22:08.23 | rryoumaa | thanks |
| 22:08.25 | abrotman | rryoumaa: definitely not ftp.debian.org |
| 22:08.38 | rryoumaa | same with another line. i will fix both. |
| 22:08.41 | T-Rog|deb | why should ftp.debian.org not be used? |
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| 22:09.15 | henry11 | dotDeb: ok |
| 22:09.16 | dvs | !tell T-Rog|deb about ftp.debian.org |
| 22:09.33 | henry11 | dotDeb: I undestand. Thanks. |
| 22:09.44 | dotDeb | henry11 np |
| 22:10.17 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: it's not some super fast or even a primary mirror .. http.debian.net should be used in most cases, or specify another local mirror |
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| 22:10.39 | rocko2 | nevermind found out how |
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| 22:10.44 | rocko2 | ls -ld |
| 22:10.52 | T-Rog|deb | is there a list of local mirrors |
| 22:11.32 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: debian.org/mirrors/list |
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| 22:16.18 | rryoumaa | on the other hand, i tried changing "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main" to the same thing with http instead of ftp and aptitude and axi-cache stopped working |
| 22:16.51 | rryoumaa | so i guess you are supposed to remove the .us or something |
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| 22:20.29 | dvs | rryoumaa: the .us is suppose to be there. |
| 22:21.45 | abrotman | no. that's not what he meant |
| 22:21.54 | abrotman | he didn't read the bot thing .. he tried http.us.debian.org .. |
| 22:22.04 | abrotman | or something mutant .. that wasn't right |
| 22:22.45 | dvs | he didn't read the http://debian.org/mirrors/list thing either? |
| 22:23.36 | abrotman | who knows .. |
| 22:23.41 | abrotman | would you be surprised? |
| 22:24.01 | dvs | stabs his eyes with broaches |
| 22:25.07 | henry11 | dotDeb: Now, I added the wheezy-backports in the /etc/atp/sources.list file. Then, I did "apt-cache search -t whezy-backports gcc-arm*" because I am searching the gcc-arm-none-eabi. But, I did not have any results. Can you help me? I went on this page for the name of the packet which I need: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/gcc-arm-none-eabi |
| 22:25.37 | dvs | henry11: did you do a apt-get update first? |
| 22:25.45 | henry11 | Yes |
| 22:26.03 | dotDeb | henry11 that package doesn't appear to be available in backports |
| 22:26.07 | dotDeb | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gcc-arm-none-eabi&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=wheezy-backports |
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| 22:28.50 | henry11 | dotDeb: Yes. In fact, I found this packet in Jessie. |
| 22:29.27 | henry11 | dotDeb: So, I must change the backport in my /etc/atp/sources.list file, I think. |
| 22:29.52 | dotDeb | henry11 no. backports doesn't have all jessie packages I believe. |
| 22:30.07 | henry11 | Yes. |
| 22:30.37 | abrotman | shakes his head ... |
| 22:30.56 | T-Rog|deb | so Cinnamon packages are done installing |
| 22:30.59 | T-Rog|deb | how do I switch |
| 22:31.12 | dotDeb | henry11 what do you mean? |
| 22:31.32 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: are you using GDM3? |
| 22:32.25 | henry11 | dotDeb: I don't know. In fact, the wheezy backports must normally allow me to access Jessie Testing packages. So, how can I do please? |
| 22:32.30 | abrotman | no, this isn't true |
| 22:32.42 | dotDeb | henry11 no, they don't always have the package available. |
| 22:32.46 | abrotman | henry11: that is incorrect .. very much so |
| 22:33.06 | henry11 | dotDeb: ok |
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| 22:34.37 | fritz09 | hi, anyone know if debian runs on |
| 22:34.39 | fritz09 | C2550D4I |
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| 22:35.43 | henry11 | dotDeb: So, I must update my version from Debian stable Wheezy to Debian Jessie Testing just to use a cross-compiler? |
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| 22:35.58 | abrotman | fritz09: we don't even know what that is |
| 22:36.25 | T-Rog|deb | decides to apt-get install gdm3 |
| 22:36.31 | henry11 | dotDeb: How can I know if they will add this packet? Perhaps, they will do it? |
| 22:36.45 | dotDeb | henry11 you could install it manually by downloading the .deb and installing the dependencies yourself but that could mess other things up |
| 22:36.53 | dotDeb | henry11 not sure what you're talking about |
| 22:37.17 | henry11 | In fact, I would like to use a cross-compiler for ARM. |
| 22:37.17 | T-Rog|deb | abrotman: Debian supports a wide range of architectures. Has debian ever run on a c64? |
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| 22:37.45 | fritz09 | It's a mainboard from ASRock Rack |
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| 22:38.51 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: commodore 64? |
| 22:38.56 | T-Rog|deb | yes |
| 22:39.19 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: I can't imagine so |
| 22:39.26 | henry11 | dotDeb: Yes, I will install manually by downloading .deb I think |
| 22:39.42 | henry11 | dotDeb: Thanks |
| 22:39.48 | ftc- | Anyone used KDE on Jessie and know where the "desktop search" settings are? it should i'm trying to enable nepomuk so that I can search and use tags in KMail. |
| 22:39.50 | dotDeb | henry11 that could break other things fyi |
| 22:40.22 | abrotman | ftc-: there is a #debian-kde on OFTC |
| 22:41.43 | henry11 | dotDeb:Ok, thanks. I will see what I can do. |
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| 23:07.33 | BananaNipples | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.38 | BananaNipples | beginner level resume. Any advice? |
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| 23:11.40 | abrotman | BananaNipples: try asking #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
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| 23:17.16 | yoLo_ | jmcnaught, can i use virtualenv to install python 2.7.8 ? |
| 23:17.27 | yoLo_ | on its own |
| 23:17.41 | jmcnaught | yoLo_: what's wrong with using the version of python 2.7 provided by debian? |
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| 23:18.19 | yoLo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.39 | jmcnaught | yoLo_: there probably are some differences, but if you're not doing this for a specific reason why go through all this trouble? |
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| 23:19.59 | yoLo_ | jmcnaught, true :| |
| 23:20.05 | centrx | yoLo_, Python 2.7 is only getting maintenance fixes now |
| 23:20.06 | yoLo_ | true.. you're right |
| 23:20.21 | centrx | yoLo_, and many of those are security fixes which are backported to the stable Debian package |
| 23:20.38 | jmcnaught | yoLo_: if there were a feature in 2.7.8 that you *badly* needed and couldn't work around, then sure maybe find a safe and sane way to get python 2.7.8 on your system. But if not, don't make trouble for yourself over a version number |
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| 23:20.53 | OERIAS | !ops |
| 23:20.53 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
| 23:21.19 | dioz | lol |
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| 23:21.56 | abrotman | ... |
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| 23:23.24 | yoLo_ | following that installation guide on git over the 2.7.8 seriously messed up my python path big time.. |
| 23:23.38 | yoLo_ | now everything.. |
| 23:23.43 | yoLo_ | is fine |
| 23:23.56 | jmcnaught | yoLo_: indeed. i added a comment to that gist in the hopes that others won't mess their systems up. |
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| 23:51.17 | jcbjoe | hi all .. i forgot the tool but dosen't debian have a tool that can search the web or somehwere for a file or what not not on the system or not in the repo database |
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