| 00:00.32 | Gahoo | Hello, does anybody know if Debian contains any non-free firmware or programs? Is the reason Debian isn't endorsed by the FSF because Debian requires non-free programs to function? |
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| 00:01.47 | aypea[0] | gahoo: debian has a non-free component that you can opt-into. |
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| 00:03.02 | Gahoo | aypea: I am talking about my default, is Debian reliant on any non-free programs to function, or does Debian contain non-free software? I understand there are repositories for non-free programs, is this the ONLY reason Debian isn't endorsed by the free software foundation? |
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| 00:04.44 | nullvibe | Gahoo: more importantly, if you noticed, the fsf is overly limiting in their definition of "free" |
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| 00:06.12 | nullvibe | and no, debian doesn't install anything TRULY "non-free" by default |
| 00:06.22 | Gahoo | nullvibe: I agree, but I am trying to understand how debian doesn't follow the guidelines of being a fully free distribution. I am willing to make the switch to Debian, I am just confused on why the FSF doesn't endorse Debian |
| 00:06.43 | Gahoo | nullvibe: What do you mean by "truly"? |
| 00:07.36 | nullvibe | I mean, anything that isn't provided under a free (for use) license and/or things that provide no sources |
| 00:07.36 | pie__ | does anyone use a tplink wr841n |
| 00:07.50 | nullvibe | pie__: real question, not meta questions please |
| 00:07.52 | pie__ | v 8.4? i need a copy of the bootloader so i can reflash mine |
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| 00:08.04 | nullvibe | try ##electronics |
| 00:08.13 | pie__ | nullvibe: yeah sorry typo on enter |
| 00:08.20 | pie__ | nullvibe: well its worth a shot thanks |
| 00:08.29 | nullvibe | possibly ##networking or #wireless if that fails |
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| 00:10.12 | Gahoo | Ok, thanks :) |
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| 00:19.56 | uforek | can anyone recommend a decent email manager, pref gui. |
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| 00:22.07 | somiaj | uforek: I used icedove until I switched to letting google own my emails |
| 00:22.17 | somiaj | uforek: many like evolution as well |
| 00:22.35 | OERIAS | somiaj, nothing compares to Evolution |
| 00:22.41 | uforek | i used to use thunderbird on win7 |
| 00:22.54 | uforek | evolution is the go-to email client, eh? |
| 00:23.04 | OERIAS | uforek, yes it is. |
| 00:23.10 | abrotman | There is Icedove on Debian |
| 00:23.13 | OERIAS | Exchange support built-in |
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| 00:23.28 | OERIAS | abrotman, f*** icedove and thunderbird |
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| 00:23.38 | cafuego | Nothing quite has the same level of memory leaks as Evolution. |
| 00:23.49 | uforek | is evolution under the Gnu licensing? |
| 00:24.01 | abrotman | OERIAS: that's constructive, thank you |
| 00:24.04 | abrotman | uforek: yes |
| 00:24.21 | somiaj | OERIAS: you know what they say about opinons, everyone has what they like or prefer. But try to keep suggestions just that. (: |
| 00:24.23 | OERIAS | abrotman, I am saying this from experience |
| 00:24.24 | abrotman | uforek: generally, evolution or icedove are the better clients |
| 00:24.28 | abrotman | OERIAS: great .. shut up |
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| 00:24.44 | OERIAS | abrotman, I'll tone down |
| 00:24.47 | OERIAS | sheesh! |
| 00:24.47 | somiaj | uforek: try a few things out, but evolution and icedove are the ones you hear the most about, there are others ones but less matained. mutt is actaully really good too. |
| 00:24.55 | uforek | icedove doesn't support gmail, somiaj ? |
| 00:25.03 | abrotman | They all have issues .. perhaps try to extol the virtues instead of silly bashing |
| 00:25.12 | OERIAS | uforek, it does |
| 00:25.13 | abrotman | uforek: sure it does |
| 00:25.28 | cafuego | uforek: gmail does imap, so you can use any mail client with it. |
| 00:25.37 | OERIAS | I actually like GNUMail.app |
| 00:25.43 | somiaj | uforek: what do you mean support gmail? Icedove supports both po3 and imap (including secure connenctions) for both for getting mail and smtp (including secure) for sending. I don't htink there are any other protocls than that. |
| 00:25.56 | uforek | i prefer minimalism in the apps i use |
| 00:26.21 | uforek | i don't need anything fancy, just native gpg and simple email retrieval/sending |
| 00:26.29 | cafuego | uforek: mutt? :-) |
| 00:26.32 | somiaj | if you don tmind working in a console (i.e. no mouse) you may try mutt, it is really powerful (once you learn to use it) and simple at the same time. |
| 00:26.34 | OERIAS | claws? |
| 00:26.37 | abrotman | cafuego: chaching :) |
| 00:26.56 | OERIAS | claws is very minimal |
| 00:27.14 | cafuego | uforek: You could use fetchmail and then run all mail locally. |
| 00:27.24 | cafuego | I'm told 'notmuch' works well. |
| 00:27.56 | OERIAS | cafuego, Berkeley uses mutt |
| 00:28.06 | OERIAS | Most of the CS students do |
| 00:28.28 | uforek | is there a way to search for e-mail clients that my current repos support? |
| 00:28.39 | abrotman | uforek: see debtags, yes |
| 00:28.45 | uforek | ty |
| 00:28.59 | OERIAS | uforek, PINE is a good one |
| 00:29.06 | abrotman | OERIAS: it's alpine in Debian .. |
| 00:29.35 | OERIAS | abrotman, I forgot they renamed it, since I am a veteran Slackware user. |
| 00:29.57 | abrotman | they didn't rename it, they're different things |
| 00:30.02 | abrotman | where do you get your information ... |
| 00:30.18 | somiaj | I thought pico/pine was always non-free |
| 00:30.55 | OERIAS | I guess from a cave abrotman |
| 00:30.58 | abrotman | uforek: I'd try evolution or Icedove, and if you don't like them, let us know what you don't like, and we'll see what we can do to help |
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| 00:32.21 | jmcnaught | uforek: for GPG support in Icedove install the "enigmail" package |
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| 00:32.32 | debiii | hi all |
| 00:32.32 | uforek | jmcnaught, rgr, thx |
| 00:32.59 | uforek | yeah, i like icedove |
| 00:33.05 | debiii | i need help in nmap scanner |
| 00:33.22 | debiii | i have problem in one script |
| 00:33.47 | lx_ | What's a good book that can help anyone get started using Debian? |
| 00:33.59 | debiii | i have message : host.ip not declarded |
| 00:34.03 | uforek | there's definitely a 60mb incentive to use icedove over evolution. heh |
| 00:34.03 | themill | dpkg: tell lx_ about debian-handbook |
| 00:34.08 | abrotman | dpkg: tell lx_ about debian handevermind |
| 00:34.19 | debiii | variable host not declared |
| 00:34.23 | abrotman | uforek: smaller doesn't mean better ? |
| 00:34.34 | abrotman | debiii: we can't see your script .. |
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| 00:34.54 | lx_ | Thanks for your help, themill and abrotman. |
| 00:35.32 | debiii | ok |
| 00:35.49 | uforek | well, less code means less code to look over to fix problems |
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| 00:36.02 | uforek | plus i'm not looking for extra fat |
| 00:36.17 | lx_ | lx_ is already a username.. darn. |
| 00:36.58 | uforek | icedove reminds me of thunderbird... |
| 00:37.04 | abrotman | because it is the same thing |
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| 00:37.59 | uforek | any differences? |
| 00:38.10 | abrotman | try it and see |
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| 00:38.25 | Disconsented | lol |
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| 00:38.58 | James_Epp | Is there a debian torrent release rss feed? |
| 00:39.45 | abrotman | what? |
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| 00:40.20 | James_Epp | abrotman: Like this. https://www.archlinux.org/feeds/releases/ |
| 00:40.48 | abrotman | James_Epp: not that I've seen |
| 00:40.57 | James_Epp | Unfortunate. |
| 00:41.08 | T-Rog|deb | abrotman: Cinnamon works. Thanks for your help. |
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| 00:41.35 | abrotman | James_Epp: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/ you could watch that directory ? |
| 00:42.11 | James_Epp | abrotman: I might be able to work something out. |
| 00:42.40 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/MD5SUMS Keep an eye on that file .. when it changes, files have changed? |
| 00:43.07 | James_Epp | abrotman: I'm looking to use flexget to automatically get the updates based on file extension. I'll do some testing with some stuffs. |
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| 00:43.48 | lxlnx | Yes! Freenode via Empathy works! |
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| 00:45.15 | T-Rog|deb | Empathy is an IRC client? |
| 00:45.18 | T-Rog|deb | I thought it was like AIM |
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| 00:47.41 | themill | James_Epp: btw why do you to do this? |
| 00:47.45 | lxlnx | T-Rog: Well, it seems that I am able to chat with you via Empathy, so it's like an IRC client. |
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| 00:48.08 | James_Epp | themill: So I can have new releases as soon as possible without my interaction. |
| 00:48.26 | abrotman | uhm .. there are easier ways with Debian |
| 00:48.29 | themill | James_Epp: you don't need to get new CD images to be running the latest release |
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| 00:48.49 | James_Epp | themill: I'm aware. But for fresh installs, if I ever need to. |
| 00:48.58 | abrotman | still, silly method |
| 00:49.03 | James_Epp | themill: Also, it's a way to get myself comfotable with flexget. |
| 00:49.42 | T-Rog|deb | so I installed gdm3 but my login screen seems to be unchanged. Is there something I need to do |
| 00:49.43 | James_Epp | While my squid cache could amply fit the packages, I don't use debian nearly enough to justify it. I simply want a full cd with packages. |
| 00:49.45 | themill | James_Epp: there's not really any need to use a newer install image. I'm still using the wheezy 7.0 image I downloaded last May. |
| 00:50.44 | James_Epp | abrotman: themill: The third (or is it fourth reason now?) is so we can have more seeds on release. |
| 00:51.24 | themill | There's no lack of seeds for the images people actually use. |
| 00:51.45 | James_Epp | themill: Bugger it all! Just let me have my fun! |
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| 00:52.29 | Shadow_7 | well, lsb_release -a show different stats... about it probs.. |
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| 00:53.31 | Shadow_7 | and debootstrap seems more streamlined on 7.5 than 7.1... 650mb after image vs. 250mb... |
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| 00:55.13 | themill | debootstrap hasn't changed and nor have the packages it installs. |
| 00:56.22 | Shadow_7 | the result seems to have changed |
| 00:56.31 | Shadow_7 | at least for amd64 |
| 00:57.31 | uforek | strange... i have coretemp module in /lib/modules but cannot modprobe it. |
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| 00:59.45 | abrotman | so maybe you don't have the right device? |
| 00:59.55 | uforek | seems like it |
| 01:00.07 | uforek | my laptops fans are running really slow |
| 01:00.15 | uforek | and im afraid its going to overheat if i do any graphics processing |
| 01:00.29 | uforek | trying to get this lm-sensors working |
| 01:02.34 | uforek | /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed |
| 01:02.36 | uforek | uhhhhg |
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| 01:15.13 | uforek | uhg, non of my super i/o sensors are detected. |
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| 01:35.21 | flexo_ | hey. quick question - i remembered that i knew the answer years ago but i forgot.... why does ifup $interface affect multiple interfaces, and how can i make it stop doing that? |
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| 01:41.19 | abrotman | you mean virtual interfaces associated with that actual interface? |
| 01:42.04 | flexo_ | no |
| 01:42.05 | flexo_ | http://pastie.org/private/7vw3oohluj9zrfbvpe8udq |
| 01:42.09 | flexo_ | ^ i mean this |
| 01:42.19 | flexo_ | which is really ...... annoying .. |
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| 01:42.39 | flexo_ | and makes it impossible to do make my own network management scripts |
| 01:43.05 | flexo_ | unless i also redo the ifup/ifdown part, interpret the /etc/network/intefaces, etc. |
| 01:43.25 | flexo_ | but i think ifdown eth1 really shouldn't send DHCPRELEASE to wlan0 |
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| 01:46.30 | Xen | sup |
| 01:46.41 | flexo_ | http://pastie.org/9440933 |
| 01:46.47 | flexo_ | ^ these are the two interfaces in question |
| 01:46.55 | flexo_ | i don't think they are that ... magic.. |
| 01:48.07 | flexo_ | so.... set up iptables rules to block traffic on all interfaces but the one i want to disable/enable? |
| 01:48.25 | flexo_ | ah no. not enough |
| 01:48.33 | flexo_ | the interface will still be registered as down |
| 01:48.38 | Yoshi1 | anyone know how i can use encfs to mount an old ecryptfs partition or know where i can find some erasy to follow instructions to do so |
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| 01:52.09 | Slumlord_ | hi i was wondering if someone might be able to help me get audio on my laptop dell inspiron 15 3000 series in debian linux wheezy amd64 audio device: intel corporation device 0a0c (rev 0b)? |
| 01:52.29 | Slumlord_ | headphone work as normal |
| 01:53.29 | T-Rog|deb | whoa boys, we got a problem |
| 01:53.31 | T-Rog|deb | http://pastebin.com/61hhWFfV |
| 01:54.17 | T-Rog|deb | > OpenGL Vendor String: VMware, Inc. |
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| 01:54.57 | nullvibe | you again? I thought you gave up and went to steam os :) |
| 01:55.44 | nullvibe | Slumlord_: more info needed |
| 01:55.52 | Slumlord_ | k what you need? |
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| 01:56.20 | nullvibe | Yoshi1: 'encfs /encfsdir', or if you want it mounted somewhere else, 'encfs /encfsdir /some_other_dir' |
| 01:56.26 | abrotman | Slumlord_: lspci -nn ; we need the pciid |
| 01:56.37 | abrotman | T-Rog|deb: and what? |
| 01:56.43 | nullvibe | Slumlord_: a clear idea of the problem, for starters. what are your "headphones", for instance? |
| 01:56.50 | nullvibe | bt? |
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| 01:57.42 | Slumlord_ | 00:03:0 that id? |
| 01:57.45 | abrotman | no |
| 01:57.52 | abrotman | you can't just show us the whole line? |
| 01:58.03 | Slumlord_ | yeah hang on |
| 01:58.11 | T-Rog|deb | nullvibe: I couldn't get SteamOS to run |
| 01:58.17 | T-Rog|deb | I gave up and came back |
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| 01:58.47 | nullvibe | Slumlord_: check 'lspci -k' to see if a module is attached to it while you're at it |
| 01:59.03 | pigpen | ok |
| 01:59.18 | pigpen | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP HD Audio Controller (rev 04) |
| 01:59.24 | abrotman | wonders which laptop has a different video card for the headphones instead of the regular speakers |
| 01:59.27 | abrotman | pigpen: lspci -nn |
| 01:59.35 | nullvibe | T-Rog|deb: well, the solution is going to be the same. switch to ubuntu, or downgrade to wheezy so you can use the binary blob |
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| 02:00.18 | nullvibe | abrotman: that's why I asked if they're bt. I have problems with builtin audio all the time, but bt headphones always seem to work |
| 02:00.28 | abrotman | that's nonsense |
| 02:00.35 | pigpen | dunno if they are bt |
| 02:00.43 | pigpen | the headphones? |
| 02:00.46 | Shadow_7 | many laptops have features that disable speakers if headphones are used. |
| 02:01.01 | Shadow_7 | and a few dells have separate audio channels for headphone than speakers. |
| 02:01.02 | pigpen | oh i only used the headphones for a minute |
| 02:01.09 | pigpen | because sound was not working |
| 02:01.20 | nullvibe | pigpen: no, that was in reference to Slumlord_ |
| 02:01.22 | pigpen | wanted to see if headphone jack worked |
| 02:01.29 | Shadow_7 | and bitd... only accessible with alsamixer |
| 02:01.31 | pigpen | i'm same person |
| 02:01.37 | pigpen | pigpen=slumlord_ |
| 02:01.44 | nullvibe | >_> |
| 02:01.53 | pigpen | pigpen on laptop |
| 02:01.57 | pigpen | slumlord is desktop |
| 02:02.01 | nullvibe | anyway, if you don't know if they're bt, then they aren't |
| 02:02.05 | pigpen | ok |
| 02:02.09 | abrotman | not sure why you even suggested that |
| 02:02.23 | abrotman | pigpen: please show us 'lspci -nn' |
| 02:02.27 | abrotman | for that device |
| 02:02.30 | pigpen | ok |
| 02:02.38 | abrotman | instead of listening to the nonsense that comes from nullvibe |
| 02:02.58 | pigpen | 00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP HECI #0 [8086:9c3a] (rev 04) |
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| 02:02.58 | pigpen | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP HD Audio Controller [8086:9c20] (rev 04) |
| 02:02.58 | pigpen | 00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Lynx Point-LP PCI Express Root Port 1 [8086:9c10] (rev e4) |
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| 02:03.10 | nullvibe | that means the card is working, but sound isn't being piped to your speakers |
| 02:03.17 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:03.17 | pigpen | ok |
| 02:03.22 | abrotman | nullvibe: please stop making things up ... |
| 02:03.29 | abrotman | that isn't what that means at all .. |
| 02:03.34 | nullvibe | abrotman: I didn't "suggest", I "asked" |
| 02:03.43 | nullvibe | any sane person WOULD be using bt headphones these days imho |
| 02:03.45 | nullvibe | ah, ad hominem attacks already...delightful |
| 02:03.46 | abrotman | judd: pciid 8086:9c20 |
| 02:03.47 | judd | [8086:9c20] is '8 Series HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:9c20 |
| 02:03.47 | nullvibe | abrotman: please stop attacking people for no reason |
| 02:03.53 | abrotman | nullvibe: please stop making things up |
| 02:03.59 | Shadow_7 | 8086:9c20 is the google-able term you would want to search |
| 02:04.20 | abrotman | pigpen: have you looked to see if any options are required for your speakers? Dell is known for making shoddy hardware |
| 02:04.45 | nullvibe | abrotman: translation: you haven't used it and have no experience with it, therefore it must not exist. gotcha |
| 02:05.50 | abrotman | Yes, that's it .. or maybe I just ask the questions that actually make sense |
| 02:05.55 | pigpen | i didn't see anything else |
| 02:06.12 | pigpen | i could copy and paste entire output |
| 02:06.47 | nullvibe | abrotman: what delusions help you maintain that narrow-minded, narcissistic attitude *shrug* |
| 02:07.05 | abrotman | Shocker .. |
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| 02:07.14 | abrotman | can't actually help, so attacks others |
| 02:07.28 | nullvibe | yes, you did. but I forgive you |
| 02:07.29 | abrotman | pigpen: Can you pastebin the output from 'dmesg', we can look for problems there |
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| 02:07.34 | make | What should be done about ssnowden? |
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| 02:07.39 | pigpen | alright no problem |
| 02:07.41 | abrotman | make: try #debian-offtopic |
| 02:07.50 | Shadow_7 | if only one knew how close and half pushed that football button is by some folks... |
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| 02:09.29 | Shadow_7 | make: nothing... he has more of an I.T. future than most of us |
| 02:09.37 | abrotman | Shadow_7: please join him in #debian-offtopic |
| 02:10.32 | pigpen | waiting for pastebin to process |
| 02:10.40 | Shadow_7 | any official way to make .debs from apt-get source with different compile flags? |
| 02:11.00 | abrotman | Shadow_7: you can, yes |
| 02:11.07 | Shadow_7 | or guide / links for the process. |
| 02:11.26 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Shadow_7 about package recompile |
| 02:12.29 | pigpen | wow pastebin taking forever |
| 02:12.47 | abrotman | pigpen: use paste.debian.net |
| 02:12.49 | Shadow_7 | and dpkg is suggesting aptitude? omfg... recalling days of old where aptitude was shunned and advised against |
| 02:12.51 | pigpen | ok |
| 02:13.05 | abrotman | Shadow_7: uhm, no |
| 02:13.56 | pigpen | paste.debian.net/113358 |
| 02:14.07 | Shadow_7 | seems like dpkg-buildpackage was my missing link... vs. make deb-pkg (kernel stuff) |
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| 02:15.39 | Yoshi1 | frag cannot remember the password i used on this old drive |
| 02:15.51 | Yoshi1 | or if it was randomly generated |
| 02:15.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell pigpen about bdo kernel |
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| 02:19.37 | T-Rog|deb | nullvibe: why do I need to downgrade my entire installation to Wheezy? Isn't there only one component that needs to be changed? |
| 02:20.49 | make | Any Russians here |
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| 02:21.22 | abrotman | make: I already told you to keep it in #debian-offtopic, thank you |
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| 02:23.42 | pigpen | i did uninstall pulse and installed also |
| 02:23.45 | pigpen | i did uninstall pulse and installed alsa |
| 02:23.53 | pigpen | no luck after that |
| 02:24.45 | abrotman | pigpen: I suspect you need the newer kernel, your dmesg shows some inability to cope with something in your hardware |
| 02:25.02 | Shadow_7 | pigpen: no luck for what? pulseaudio has perms beyond audio that a user needs to have |
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| 02:26.33 | pigpen | yeah after i uninstalled pulse i lost my desktop |
| 02:26.37 | pigpen | so i had to reinstall it |
| 02:26.47 | pigpen | my desktop |
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| 02:27.03 | pigpen | abrotman pm? |
| 02:27.13 | abrotman | pigpen: keep it in the channel please |
| 02:27.17 | pigpen | alright |
| 02:27.25 | abrotman | Unless it's not support related |
| 02:27.32 | pigpen | wondering why i would need a new kernel |
| 02:28.11 | abrotman | pigpen: I mentioned above why I think it might be required |
| 02:28.24 | pigpen | right |
| 02:28.56 | pigpen | my old laptop was fine |
| 02:29.01 | abrotman | different hardware |
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| 02:29.13 | pigpen | oh yeah that's right |
| 02:29.20 | abrotman | Amazing how that works :) |
| 02:29.23 | pigpen | lol |
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| 02:30.03 | pigpen | this new kernel more compatible |
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| 02:41.37 | jen103 | i found this link that uses some chroot method. is this the recommended way? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 |
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| 02:49.37 | vimel | acu: logitech 910, virtualbox and windows7 works for me on a debian host. can even do google hangouts. ymmv. |
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| 02:50.58 | vimel | dunno. let us know if you try and it works. |
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| 02:53.46 | acu | there are few things needed to install in host and something in guest |
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| 03:45.47 | nullvibe | wow, how "gracious". However, this flagrant narrow-mindedness and abuse has only served to impress upon me that a previous hunch about core debian maintainers and developers was indeed correct. Thus, I will no longer be recommending debian to anyone for any purpose, nor will I be directing debian-related questions to this channel |
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| 03:45.55 | nullvibe | anyway, have a nice life |
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| 04:04.22 | linux-fox | hi,all |
| 04:06.17 | teoma | My desktop computer running wheezy sometimes loses all contact with USB devices, including the keyboard. I can still ssh into it, though; is there any way to fix the problem remotely? |
| 04:06.28 | linux-fox | should i use apt-get or aptitude ? |
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| 04:47.07 | us`0gb | If I choose the "SQL server" option when installing Debian, what does that install? MySQL or some other SQL server? |
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| 04:52.13 | us`0gb | Okay, sweet. Thanks NiLon! |
| 04:52.14 | NiLon | I'm generally installing only ssh server and rest by hand, just to be sure |
| 04:52.49 | us`0gb | Yeah, I probably should have done that. I just hit "enter" though this time. |
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| 05:24.35 | ^v | im tired |
| 05:25.12 | ^v | is "sudo cat /dev/sdb > file" a good way of backing up an entire flash drive including MBR |
| 05:26.22 | pksadiq | ^v: why don't you use dd? |
| 05:26.28 | ^v | lazyness |
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| 05:28.40 | rryoumaa | what is cat's block size? |
| 05:29.24 | ^v | 4KiB |
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| 05:39.04 | gnomethrower | hello |
| 05:39.16 | gnomethrower | having issues with the official instructions for installing HAProxy 1.5 |
| 05:39.31 | gnomethrower | per http://haproxy.debian.net/ |
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| 05:40.18 | gnomethrower | ...uh, never mind. i'm silly |
| 05:40.37 | alasmic1 | I have a iMac G5 is this distro supported got my system |
| 05:40.46 | alasmic1 | For* |
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| 05:43.16 | alasmic1 | Hello? |
| 05:43.41 | jmcnaught | alasmic1: yeah Debian will run on that |
| 05:44.42 | alasmic1 | Should I use wheezy or Jessie? Or what |
| 05:45.05 | jmcnaught | alasmic1: Wheezy is the current stable release so you probably want that. |
| 05:45.29 | us`0gb | I'm installing Debian on an iMac G5 (I think) as we speak. |
| 05:45.45 | us`0gb | It's an iMac of some sort, anyway. |
| 05:45.49 | us`0gb | PowerPC? |
| 05:45.55 | alasmic1 | Yeah ppc |
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| 05:46.05 | us`0gb | Debian supports PowerPC. |
| 05:47.07 | alasmic1 | Ok cool.. I have a blank hardrive and a imac g5 that just sits here.. I'm thinking ima make use of it.. |
| 05:47.19 | alasmic1 | Where did u find the install? |
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| 05:48.11 | us`0gb | Hold on, I'll find it. |
| 05:48.30 | z302 | I accidentally ran the chmod myusername:users / command from root. How can I 'fix' this? |
| 05:49.38 | us`0gb | alasmic1: I think I am using <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-7.6.0-powerpc-netinst.iso>. |
| 05:49.57 | z302 | sorry, wasn't chmod but $ chown myusername:users / |
| 05:50.24 | us`0gb | z302: Try "chown root:root /". |
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| 05:50.37 | us`0gb | If chown isn't recursive, that will work. |
| 05:50.50 | us`0gb | I don't use that command often, so I'm not sure if it is. |
| 05:51.34 | pksadiq | z302: that might mess up your home dir too, don't do that |
| 05:52.01 | z302 | I am confused |
| 05:52.13 | pksadiq | z302: I mean, only if its recursive. |
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| 05:52.37 | z302 | ok, the command wasn't recursive, so I guess chown root:root / would be safe to run, right? |
| 05:52.38 | jmcnaught | chown is recursive with "--recursive" or "-R" |
| 05:54.02 | us`0gb | z302: Yeah, if it's not recursive, it will safely fix it. |
| 05:54.20 | z302 | us`0gb, it did, I checked home permissions and its all fine. thanks for the help |
| 05:54.32 | us`0gb | z302: Yeah, no problem. |
| 05:55.31 | jmcnaught | ls |
| 05:55.36 | jmcnaught | oops sorry |
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| 05:57.23 | alasmic | I am now inserting debian install disk in imac g5 |
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| 05:57.31 | alasmic | Now testing results |
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| 06:03.09 | alasmic | Now installing the base system |
| 06:04.20 | jmcnaught | alasmic: let us know if you have any trouble, also consult the install guide: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ but there's no need to keep us posted :) |
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| 06:05.32 | alasmic | Lol I have had a lot of trouble with ubuntu and this computer .. I heard debian was very promising .. Crossing fingers |
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| 06:10.49 | us`0gb | I had issues with Debian 6 on mine, so I switched to Ubuntu. But now I'm into free software, so I'm hoping Debian 7 works well on this thing. |
| 06:12.38 | alasmic | What is this http://i61.tinypic.com/23rsj5w.jpg |
| 06:13.41 | alasmic | I can not continue |
| 06:13.50 | us`0gb | Um. I have no idea. Mine doesn't do that. |
| 06:14.23 | us`0gb | Are you using <http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-7.6.0-powerpc-netinst.iso>? |
| 06:14.37 | alasmic | Yes |
| 06:15.05 | themill | alasmic: did you copy the image to a blank CD? |
| 06:15.12 | alasmic | Yes I did |
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| 06:15.38 | alasmic | It's in the middle of installing software |
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| 06:32.29 | babilen | alasmic: How did you write it? |
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| 06:34.38 | alasmic | I put it on a DVD from my windows computer using transmac |
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| 06:35.05 | DrunkWithPower | Ubuntu sucks |
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| 06:36.01 | alasmic | Ok I'm retrying the install and I'm getting a lot of failure unpacking required packages now.. And I didn't the first go around |
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| 06:36.25 | alasmic | Is there no live install images for ppc? |
| 06:37.17 | babilen | DrunkWithPower: Play elsewhere, ta |
| 06:37.48 | babilen | alasmic: Never heard of transmac, but could you try win32diskimager? |
| 06:37.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell alasmic -about win32diskimager |
| 06:38.23 | alasmic | I will try now |
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| 06:46.21 | Twinsen | how can I search for i386 packages on a Wheezy 64-bit installation? I need to install SDL1.2 but not the 64-bit version and I apt-get install libsdl1.2:i386 is saying the package doesn't exist |
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| 06:46.39 | petern_ | Have you enabled multiarch? |
| 06:47.30 | Twinsen | I think so... I have the i386 version of libc6 installed |
| 06:47.33 | petern_ | Hmm, also "apt-cache search <packagename>" works fine. |
| 06:47.35 | Twinsen | is there an easy way to check? |
| 06:47.45 | petern_ | Seems to be called libsdl1.2debian. |
| 06:48.13 | dioz | Twinsen: |
| 06:48.21 | dioz | have you read the multiarch section of the debian wiki ? |
| 06:48.26 | dioz | https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
| 06:48.30 | Twinsen | petern_: apt-cache search libsdl:amd64 doesn't work |
| 06:48.49 | Twinsen | dioz: I will look, thanks |
| 06:49.07 | petern_ | :amd64 isn't part of the package name. |
| 06:49.18 | Twinsen | petern_: that's the problem.. I can't tell which version it's returning |
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| 06:49.31 | dioz | Twinsen: |
| 06:49.45 | dioz | dpkg --add-architecture amd64 |
| 06:49.45 | dpkg | gets an architect to start planning a new armhf palace |
| 06:49.55 | dioz | apt-get update |
| 06:49.58 | dioz | etc. etc. |
| 06:50.02 | petern_ | dioz, itym i386 |
| 06:50.21 | Twinsen | dioz: Thanks, I did run that before |
| 06:50.33 | Twinsen | I'll try again |
| 06:50.43 | petern_ | Twinsen, well, in theory all packages are in both amd64 and i386 variants. |
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| 06:50.57 | dioz | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 06:50.57 | dpkg | hppa |
| 06:51.04 | petern_ | (fwiw, apt-get install libsdl1.2debian:i386) |
| 06:51.05 | Twinsen | petern_: yes but when I install SDL1.2 it does show that it's the amd64 install |
| 06:51.22 | petern_ | When you install it you need the :i386 part, obviously. |
| 06:52.00 | petern_ | Otherwise by default it will install from the default arch |
| 06:52.06 | Twinsen | dioz: ah, I must have not updated properly after doing --add-architecture or somehow switch to 64-bit again |
| 06:52.15 | Twinsen | dioz: it seems to be installing now |
| 06:52.27 | petern_ | dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 06:52.28 | dpkg | petern_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 06:52.29 | dioz | cool |
| 06:52.30 | petern_ | as well |
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| 06:52.43 | Twinsen | :) |
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| 06:54.03 | Twinsen | ah! got it working. Thank you! |
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| 07:05.53 | DanDare | Hello. Why some bug reports (about rather simple bug), aren't fixed? like this one https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=652660 ? |
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| 07:06.46 | themill | DanDare: it is fixed, according to the information in that bug. |
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| 07:06.52 | DanDare | its just that nobody had time to look into it or being more or less irrelevant, queued to the end of the todo list ? |
| 07:06.56 | DanDare | weird |
| 07:07.32 | DanDare | themill, im running a Wheezy install (in a VM), that still contains the typoed line |
| 07:08.14 | tony25df | Hi guys. I have a security concern, not merely related with linux... I have received a serius threat of someone who is annoying me and promised to hac my Facebook account. Is Facebook realy hackable? |
| 07:08.24 | tony25df | how can I protect myself? |
| 07:08.31 | DanDare | anyway, i think i need some apt-upgrade to see if its the case |
| 07:08.50 | DrunkWithPower | stop using facebook, really, stop using it |
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| 07:09.12 | tony25df | [DrunkWithPower] oay perfect, so do I deactivate my account? |
| 07:09.15 | DrunkWithPower | The damage of that person with the threat is nothing compared to what facebook will do to you |
| 07:09.23 | tony25df | Really? |
| 07:09.26 | tony25df | wow |
| 07:09.27 | DrunkWithPower | deactivate it and wait 90 days |
| 07:09.36 | tony25df | OMG |
| 07:09.40 | DrunkWithPower | the 90 days part is pretty fked up isnt it? |
| 07:09.43 | DanDare | tony25df, i think this is totally out of channel's scope. You better ask at ##security. But even than, read their topic first to make sure |
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| 07:10.07 | tony25df | [DanDare] I ask here because I trust people in here |
| 07:10.10 | tony25df | like DrunkWithPower |
| 07:10.23 | DanDare | np, for my part, fine :) |
| 07:10.27 | tony25df | [DrunkWithPower] yes, hold on I will |
| 07:10.32 | Twinsen | tony25df: if your password is "puppy", then easy hack. If it's "ikhf8Y£HKsfkh", less likely. |
| 07:10.33 | tony25df | [DanDare] thank you man! |
| 07:10.44 | Twinsen | tony25df: if you let someone install a keylogged, then it won't matter, either way |
| 07:10.53 | tony25df | [Twinsen] good!!, my pass is #LONDOBI# |
| 07:10.59 | tony25df | easy? |
| 07:11.00 | Twinsen | o_O |
| 07:11.06 | DanDare | heheh |
| 07:11.16 | DanDare | thats entertaining |
| 07:11.19 | Twinsen | please don't paste passwords |
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| 07:11.29 | themill | Perhaps this is a conversation for some other channel? |
| 07:11.32 | tony25df | haha, no, you would need to know the user nae |
| 07:11.35 | tony25df | username |
| 07:11.47 | themill | DanDare: the package in wheezy contains the fixed /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules |
| 07:11.55 | Twinsen | tony25df: yes but it's bad form. Don't make that a habit |
| 07:12.19 | DanDare | themill, im performing apt-upgrade to see what happens. Because what I have now is that bug |
| 07:12.20 | tony25df | [Twinsen] okay, I wont :-) |
| 07:12.30 | themill | DanDare: upgrade from what to what? |
| 07:12.42 | DrunkWithPower | What is this smiley face shit? |
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| 07:12.54 | DanDare | themill, just doing apt-upgrade (this was always wheezy from fresh install) |
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| 07:13.30 | themill | DanDare: the wheezy packages don't have that error in /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules though. Precisely what installer are you using? |
| 07:14.16 | DanDare | themill, so maybe i did some very stupid mistake? I just mounted debian-7.5.0-i386-CD-1.ISO ans installed from it |
| 07:14.31 | DanDare | my sources.list are just the usual, no mixes |
| 07:14.47 | DanDare | I mean, never messed there after installing |
| 07:16.20 | DanDare | themill, but if you say thats really not the case, so please dont take me seriously, maybe i did something stupid. But now im curious and will fresh install wheezy just to see that file again. If bug still there I return to you (if interested) |
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| 07:17.05 | themill | It doesn't sound like you've done anything wrong there. I can't explain how you'd have the old, buggy generator. |
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| 07:18.42 | DanDare | themill, im sorry. infact i have alien lines in sources.list http://pastebin.com/xFKERa2e . So, no sure if it can be the cause. Going to fresh install it to examine |
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| 07:19.20 | DanDare | damn, captchas. up now http://pastebin.com/xFKERa2e |
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| 07:24.03 | themill | DanDare: I can't imagine you'd pick up a stray udev from them, but that sources.list does say it wasn't a 7.5 wheezy image but a 7.1 wheezy image (but this would have been fixed prior to that image being made too) |
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| 07:25.30 | DanDare | themill, I see. I agree about the alien lines not probably touching anything there. So its a mystery. Will check again after i install fresh from the same ISO. |
| 07:25.59 | DanDare | Anyway, apt-get upgrade does not upgrade from 7.1 to 7.5 for example? I need a dist-upgrade for that ? |
| 07:26.22 | themill | an upgrade might do it too. Depends on what packages have/haven't changed. |
| 07:26.31 | DanDare | ok, thanks |
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| 07:33.49 | alasmic | Ok ur gonna laugh.. But how do I get a desktop here http://i61.tinypic.com/33y6v6a.jpg |
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| 07:35.00 | babilen | alasmic: So, you were able to finish the installation after having written the image with win32diskimager? |
| 07:35.25 | babilen | dpkg: ur |
| 07:35.27 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a word meaning "from within". A german prefix for refering to something very old. Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For Debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 07:35.40 | alasmic | No I just kept re inserting the DVD |
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| 07:36.02 | babilen | DVD? Oh, I thought you were installing from USB. |
| 07:36.09 | babilen | Did you install the desktop task? |
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| 07:36.35 | alasmic | I'm not sure |
| 07:36.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell alasmic about install x |
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| 07:36.59 | babilen | alasmic: Which desktop environment or window manager do you want? |
| 07:37.06 | alasmic | No it kept freezing when writing to the USB |
| 07:37.22 | babilen | Windows kept freezing when you used win32diskimager? |
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| 07:38.21 | alasmic | Yeah I didn't get it either.. And it wouldn't format my USB and I had to do it through cmd |
| 07:38.47 | babilen | *shrug* |
| 07:39.05 | babilen | So, which one? |
| 07:40.25 | alasmic | Well I like GNOME |
| 07:40.41 | alasmic | But it's a older computer |
| 07:41.10 | babilen | The -powerpc- indicated as much :) |
| 07:41.27 | alasmic | So I'm not sure which do you prefer. Lol |
| 07:42.27 | babilen | So, you can ask the bot about <install gnome> or <install xfce> to learn more the way to install either of them. I don't use a desktop environment but a window manager called i3. I still use a lot of gnome software though. |
| 07:43.23 | us`0gb | I have a second hard drive, and I need it to automount on boot. Does anyone remember what file I need to edit to make that happen? I forgot. |
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| 07:45.43 | us`0gb | Never mind, I found it. I think it's /etc/fstab . |
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| 07:48.44 | DanDare | us`0gb, its /etc/fstab. You can use command 'blkid' to get disks UUID |
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| 07:54.36 | alasmic | How do I log in as root |
| 07:55.13 | meR2d | sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda3 ~/lol. that mounts my windows drive, but i cant copy to it: cp: cannot create regular file |
| 07:55.18 | meR2d | .... any ideas? |
| 07:57.39 | us`0gb | alasmic: Log in via GUI or CLI? |
| 07:57.54 | us`0gb | Also, does root have a password? |
| 07:58.33 | alasmic | It didn't ask me during install |
| 07:59.39 | us`0gb | It should have. If it didn't, root probably has no password. Until you set a password for root, you won't be able to log in as root. |
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| 08:02.35 | us`0gb | I added "/dev/sdb1/mnt/sdb1ext4defaults00" to /etc/fstab and rebooted, but the drive is still not mounted. Any ideas? |
| 08:02.53 | DanDare | for what I know debian installer always asks for a password. (never tried leaving that blank) |
| 08:02.53 | NiLon | alasmic did you happen to install ubuntu? :D |
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| 08:03.35 | alasmic | Yeah but it doesent work well on the ppc |
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| 08:03.58 | petern_ | It definitely asks for a root password. You can leave it blank, and then the user account you created with have sudo privileges. |
| 08:04.07 | petern_ | -with+will |
| 08:04.12 | us`0gb | DanDare: Leaving it blank disables logging in as root and grants the first user access to the sudo command. |
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| 08:04.26 | us`0gb | Oops, I was too slow. |
| 08:04.29 | DanDare | I see. Interesting |
| 08:04.39 | alasmic | I tried I don't have access as user |
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| 08:04.49 | NiLon | does it also install sudo then? |
| 08:04.50 | petern_ | You can't use sudo? |
| 08:04.55 | petern_ | NiLon, yes. |
| 08:05.07 | NiLon | interesting, it doesn't install it if you give root password |
| 08:05.36 | NiLon | I guess that is to make it fool proof |
| 08:05.37 | babilen | And why would it? |
| 08:05.47 | alasmic | Sudo is not working |
| 08:06.24 | babilen | alasmic: Well you either set a root password or you have working sudo, but don't worry: |
| 08:06.29 | babilen | dpkg: ifrp |
| 08:06.29 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 08:07.01 | alasmic | Lol ok |
| 08:07.21 | petern_ | dpkg, it's ppc. |
| 08:07.22 | dpkg | petern_: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 08:07.22 | petern_ | errr |
| 08:07.26 | petern_ | babilen, it's ppc |
| 08:07.34 | petern_ | Does that use grub/lilo? |
| 08:07.42 | babilen | Then do the right thing for whatever horrible yaboot incantation it requires |
| 08:07.45 | petern_ | :-) |
| 08:07.54 | babilen | The idea is the same |
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| 08:12.39 | us`0gb | Okay, I figured it out. The directory needs to exist for the drive to be automounted onto it. |
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| 08:20.36 | alasmic | Yeah I honestly believe I can't get root access.. I'm going to reinstall and see what I may have done wrong |
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| 08:21.38 | alasmic | Oh nevermind |
| 08:21.55 | alasmic | I got it now |
| 08:22.38 | Nik05 | alasmic su -, type in password :P |
| 08:23.01 | alasmic | Yeah I did that and it worked |
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| 08:24.06 | alasmic | But I had to do it when I was logged in as a user |
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| 08:29.09 | alasmic | Unable to locate package gnome? |
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| 08:34.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell alasmic -about install gnome |
| 08:34.38 | babilen | alasmic: You also have to configure repositories |
| 08:34.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell alasmic -about wheezy sources.list |
| 08:35.12 | babilen | You'd end up with something like http://paste.debian.net/113378/ and, naturally, have to run "apt-get update" |
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| 08:51.02 | ksuhku | http://dl.frostwire.com/torrents/video/The_Internets_Own_Boy_The_Story_of_Aaron_Swartz_HD_FROSTWIRE_JULY_21_2014.torrent (CC by-nc-sa 4.0) |
| 08:51.16 | edoardo | h |
| 08:51.41 | alasmic | I'm having trouble adding these repositories do I need to be in user? Or root? |
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| 08:53.18 | ElDiabolo | Hi. I am running wheezy with gnome3. How do I get the X server to listen for tcp connections? |
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| 08:53.58 | petern_ | Which display manager do you use? gdm3/lightdm/etc |
| 08:54.20 | ElDiabolo | petern_, gdm3 |
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| 08:54.56 | petern_ | Ok, edit /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf, add a [security] section, and put DisallowTCP = false in it. |
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| 08:55.22 | petern_ | You'll need to restart gdm3 after that, so you'll be logged out. |
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| 08:55.40 | babilen | ksuhku: Please don't do that in here |
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| 08:56.09 | babilen | alasmic: You have to be root |
| 08:56.27 | ElDiabolo | petern_, Means I need to go. Thx + n8. |
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| 09:00.50 | meek_geek | guys i install wine and when i purged it |
| 09:00.59 | meek_geek | it still shows options in the right click menu |
| 09:01.15 | ElDiabolo | petern_, Didn't work (as nmap from a remote box tells me). |
| 09:01.45 | babilen | meek_geek: #winehq is probably better suited and I guess that it just left residue data (per-user) |
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| 09:10.10 | alasmic | Was my computer suppose to boot in tty mode or do most people see some type of interfaces after downloading? |
| 09:10.21 | ElDiabolo | petern_, Just found that ssh X forwarding does it. |
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| 09:10.53 | babilen | alasmic: It boots to the console unless you install a display manager such as gdm3 or lightdm |
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| 09:11.29 | babilen | You obviously decided to not install the desktop task and therefore don't have it |
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| 09:13.22 | alasmic | What happened was it wouldn't install any software during installation.. I don't know why. so I'm having to do it manually |
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| 09:13.52 | alasmic | That was the only way I could get it to install on my ppc for some reason |
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| 09:16.40 | alasmic | Do you think I should try the install again.? |
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| 09:17.08 | babilen | alasmic: No, just install whatever you want. Do you want gnome or xfce? |
| 09:17.49 | babilen | (and haven't I pointed out the instructions in question already?) |
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| 09:19.42 | alasmic | It's not opening a repository list .. And I'm fussing the current repos I have do not have these packages |
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| 09:20.00 | alasmic | Guessing* |
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| 09:24.41 | babilen | alasmic: So, did you replace whatever is in there with the sources.list I pasted earlier already and ran "apt-get update" as instructed? |
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| 09:28.24 | alasmic | Will you show me the list again I was unable to get them due to some technical difficulties on my end |
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| 09:28.41 | babilen | Do you log your IRC sessions? |
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| 09:28.56 | babilen | Do you require all the rest of the information I've already given you again? |
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| 09:29.58 | alasmic | No only the repositories. I apologize I'm using IRC on my phone |
| 09:30.33 | babilen | alasmic: http://paste.debian.net/113378 |
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| 09:31.14 | alasmic | Thank you |
| 09:31.20 | babilen | yw |
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| 09:35.36 | petern_ | ElDiabolo, SSH X forwarding is handle, but something different to what you asked for :) |
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| 09:35.43 | petern_ | *handy |
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| 09:37.06 | ElDiabolo | petern_, Yeah. But I can do what I want now: Run nvidia-settings on a laptop with a broken monitor. |
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| 09:53.57 | premoboss | hello. i set up a dhcp server (isc-dhcp-server) and it run well (it give IP dinamic accress to from my wlan0=192.168.10.1 that acts as a Access Point). Now i want ti setup a second Access Point on wlan1. it is possible to tell to dhcp server to provide 192.168.10.x IP addresses on wlan0 and 192.168.20.x IP adresses on wlan1=192.168.20.1? O googled a while searching for info, but fount nothig. prpbalbi i google wrong. i see also |
| 09:53.58 | premoboss | in isc.org but no info im looking for. some hits here, maybe? |
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| 12:01.52 | Caterpillar | I just installed Owncloud on Debian. I would like to write a guide into Debian wiki, can I use https://wiki.debian.org/Owncloud ? |
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| 12:05.59 | eevar | which VM should I be looking at on debian jessie? Linux guest OS, just for playing around with atm, but figure I might as well use one that'd work for prod purposes |
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| 12:06.57 | eevar | i.e. running web/app servers |
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| 12:07.31 | Brigo | Caterpillar, https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWiki/EditorGuide |
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| 12:08.06 | Caterpillar | ok |
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| 12:36.03 | Dudytz | hi all .. I have 2 nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf, the first is the google dns (8.8.8.8) and the second is a "internal" nameserver in my vps account with a development domain ".dev" configured and working ... if I do a host command to query the .dev domain (without passing the server parameter) I see a not found message ... but if I do a host command to the dev domain passing the server parameter as my vps ip address as the server parameter, the domains res |
| 12:36.03 | Dudytz | olves normal ... how to set correctly multiple nameservers? |
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| 12:36.51 | Dudytz | (sorry my bad english) |
| 12:37.00 | petern_ | Dudytz, that would be expected behaviour. To always resolved your internal domain properly, only use the internal name server. |
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| 12:37.42 | Dudytz | petern_: but the second (third, ecc) are used as a fallback if the first one not resolves? |
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| 12:38.53 | petern_ | Dudytz, only if it doesn't receive an answer. It will not retry if it receives a negative answer. |
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| 12:39.21 | Dudytz | petern_: ohh .. I understand ... thank you |
| 12:39.26 | Dudytz | petern_: petern_: is a good alternative to install dnsmasq (or bind) and configure it to forward the .dev domain to my vps name server? |
| 12:39.38 | petern_ | Pass, I've never used dnsmasq |
| 12:40.18 | Dudytz | petern_: thank you for the explanation |
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| 12:42.54 | Ca11um | I've run the command 'doveadm', but now my server console is being spammed with the same configuration error message (something was expected at line 1). I cannot seem to stop the spam though, Ctrl+C does nothing, if I reconnect via PuTTY it still continues |
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| 12:46.59 | jelly-home | Ca11um: stop the dovecot service? |
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| 13:01.38 | meek_geek | yo |
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| 13:26.54 | Ericx2x | hey anyone think they can make this text go above this image? http://jsfiddle.net/u3U7s/1/ |
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| 13:29.29 | abrotman | Ericx2x: you're very much in the wrong channel |
| 13:29.45 | Ericx2x | whopse thanks |
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| 14:09.25 | veek | i'm trying to install a HP C3188 all in one scanner but it's not working.. lsusb does not list it and sane-find-scanner can't find it |
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| 14:09.46 | veek | dmesg shows [ 2870.300148] usb 7-1: device not accepting address 24, error -71 |
| 14:10.00 | veek | unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 |
| 14:11.35 | abrotman | veek: uname -a ? |
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| 14:12.10 | veek | Linux deathstar 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:12.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell veek about bdo kernel |
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| 14:17.54 | meek_geek | anyone knows about a finger print scanner that works well with linux ? |
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| 14:23.03 | aleeeex | hey guys, thanks for helping me to install a gui on my debian-wii setup, it works wonderfully except that it displays green and purple on all of my tv's :( *weeps bitterly* please halp |
| 14:23.28 | aleeeex | i installed lxde on it |
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| 14:28.23 | mishal | hi, Im having troubles with postgis 2.0 on sid I'm getting an error: could not load library "/usr/lib/postgresql/9.3/lib/postgis-2.1.so": /usr/lib/liblwgeom-2.1.3.so: undefined symbol: json_tokener_errors |
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| 14:28.42 | mishal | Googling around but non of the solutions worked for me |
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| 14:29.20 | jere_ | Does anyone has an idea what is this used for during kernel confugurations? CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO |
| 14:30.02 | mishal | it seems like a problem with json-c.. |
| 14:30.37 | meek_geek | is anyone using secugen fingerprint scanners with debian here ? |
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| 14:34.06 | Psi-Jack | abrotman: Just curious. Why do you think the backport kernel would do any difference in veek's situation? |
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| 14:37.18 | veek | ah.. |
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| 14:40.46 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: generally, that error happens when the kernel can't quite figure out what the device is |
| 14:40.48 | terr1 | If using postfix on a production server, would people recommend using the stable or testing packages of postfix and tools? Just to get newer software and features? Anyone have experience with this? |
| 14:42.14 | dvs | terr1: I wouldn't use the testing version of postfix on a production server. |
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| 14:43.34 | Psi-Jack | terr1: heh. |
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| 14:43.47 | Psi-Jack | terr1: Stupid question? |
| 14:44.41 | jaybe | terr1, do not taunt happy fun ball. |
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| 14:45.25 | terr1 | I guess not :) |
| 14:45.50 | abrotman | terr1: there is no security support for testing .. |
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| 14:46.07 | jaybe | terr1, effectively providing for mail is extremely non-trivial to begin with. using non-stable is asking for pain and mess. |
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| 14:47.04 | terr1 | abrotman: ah yeah good point :) |
| 14:47.49 | terr1 | Yeah will stick with stable.. Was just wondering since I heard someone was using testing.. Their funeral I guess :) |
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| 14:48.45 | abrotman | terr1: there are lots of stupid people doing stupid things on the internet, you don't have to be one of them :) |
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| 14:48.54 | dvs | hides |
| 14:48.56 | veek | umm i'm a little confused.. dpkg -l|grep linux-image shows linux-image-3.2.0-4 amd64 and apt-cache -t wheezy-backports search linux-image shows linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 .. that's the same pkg.. ergo there's no need for me to install from backports |
| 14:49.19 | abrotman | veek: did you aptitude update yet? |
| 14:49.29 | abrotman | is prettty sure search doesn't care about -t |
| 14:49.37 | veek | ah well would a few days matter? like <1week |
| 14:49.47 | veek | anyway i'll do that sry |
| 14:50.04 | veek | apt-get update is what i normally do |
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| 14:50.22 | abrotman | that's fine .. apt-get update ; apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 |
| 14:50.38 | dvs | veek: wheezy has a higher priority than wheezy-backports |
| 14:51.40 | veek | apt-cache -t wheezy-backports search linux-image lists this linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 after i did that apt-get update |
| 14:52.41 | veek | am i doing something particularly stupid? |
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| 14:53.05 | dvs | veek: -t is not an option for apt-cache |
| 14:53.10 | abrotman | veek: see what I said above ... |
| 14:53.13 | veek | crud |
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| 14:53.41 | abrotman | veek: so again , |
| 14:53.44 | abrotman | that's fine .. apt-get update ; apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 |
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| 14:55.29 | veek | okay that lists Candidate: 3.2+46 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages |
| 14:55.38 | themill | that's not the full output |
| 14:55.50 | veek | lemme pastebin |
| 14:56.11 | themill | (and apt-cache should list linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 and 70 other kernel packages.... even for apt-get, -t doesn't say "ignore other repos", it says "prefer this repo") |
| 14:57.11 | abrotman | veek: and while you're at it, pastebin your sources.list |
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| 14:57.37 | veek | noddles yup was thinking just that |
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| 15:01.18 | veek | http://pastebin.de/128919 |
| 15:01.33 | veek | man problems with captcha on pastebin.com sry for the wait |
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| 15:02.38 | themill | notes a distinct lack of wheezy-backports |
| 15:02.53 | themill | dpkg: tell veek about wheezy-backports |
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| 15:05.06 | veek | ah excellent! |
| 15:05.10 | veek | thanks :) |
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| 15:05.54 | veek | apt-get install linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 15:06.26 | veek | ack hmm initramfs-tools.. i trust that wont cause problems with my other packages |
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| 15:08.09 | veek | https://scottlinux.com/2013/11/23/how-to-install-newer-kernel-from-debian-wheezy-backports/ |
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| 15:12.09 | abrotman | veek: you don't need that .. we gave you what you need |
| 15:13.03 | abrotman | curses at people that use ftp.debian.org |
| 15:13.31 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:16.17 | veek | yup its done, thanks awfully |
| 15:16.22 | veek | brb reboot |
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| 15:28.40 | veek | darn nope hub 8-0:1.0: connect-debounce failed, port 1 disabled |
| 15:28.51 | veek | but he new kernel works |
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| 15:29.11 | veek | google suggest cleaning the port so.. |
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| 15:32.44 | veek | son of a gun - worked - cable problem |
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| 15:39.29 | jhutchins | !tell veek about paste |
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| 15:39.42 | jhutchins | veek: pastebin.com has lots of problems, it's often blocked. |
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| 15:50.26 | Metaleer | Hm, anyone else having issues with apt-get update? It seems to be getting stuck on "91% [Connecting to apt.rackster-server.ch (2a01:4f8:0:a101::1:1)]" for me. |
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| 15:51.26 | mtn | Metaleer: that is not a debian server, is it? |
| 15:52.16 | tor | Hi, is there an easy way to list packages built by a source package? With output suitable for script usage? |
| 15:52.29 | Metaleer | mtn: No clue; if it helps, before that, I tried to 'apt-get install libcap2-bin' to be able to use setcap. It got stuck on that same server, but at 0%. |
| 15:52.56 | babilen | Metaleer: It's the swill. They don't like you anymore .. Try using http.debian.net as your mirror |
| 15:52.58 | mtn | Metaleer: looks like you are having problems with non-debian servers and non-standard sources.list. |
| 15:53.00 | babilen | *Swiss |
| 15:53.16 | Metaleer | babilen: Hm, I see. |
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| 15:57.51 | dob1 | hi, what is the right way to read the version of kernel in backports? i just updated from 3.14.12-1~bpo70+1 to 3.14-0.bpo.2-amd64. i don't understand how to read the version |
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| 15:58.54 | dob1 | reading the version from the first one seems an update version of the second one |
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| 16:04.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell dob1 about kernel abi |
| 16:05.15 | babilen | dpkg: And those version numbers you quoted are also incorrect. One is the package name the other the version |
| 16:05.15 | dpkg | that's too long, babilen |
| 16:05.25 | babilen | dob1: And those version numbers you quoted are also incorrect. One is the package name the other the version |
| 16:05.48 | babilen | err, no |
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| 16:06.18 | dob1 | i copied it from uname -a |
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| 16:06.48 | babilen | Not quite, the name of the package is linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.2-amd64 and its version is 3.14.13-2~bpo70+1 |
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| 16:08.10 | Metaleer | "Package libcap2-bin is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source." |
| 16:08.13 | Metaleer | Interesting. |
| 16:08.17 | dob1 | i see, it's the difference between kernel release and version |
| 16:08.21 | dob1 | uname -r and uname -v |
| 16:08.34 | Metaleer | I changed the sources.list file so that it fetches stuff from the closest ftp server... now it says that. O.o |
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| 16:09.48 | babilen | dob1: Read the factoid our bot sent you earlier |
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| 16:10.35 | babilen | Metaleer: Why don't you use http.debian.org as suggested? It uses the "best" mirror automatically. Either way we have to see more details on http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:10.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell Metaleer -about bat |
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| 16:13.18 | Metaleer | babilen: I see. Let me give that a whirl, and it is still creates issues, I'll use that pastebin the bot sent me. |
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| 16:17.06 | v0tick | Alright guys I'm back again, finally have desktop working with wired ethernet connection; but I can't keep it in my basement so it must work with wireless. Goal now is to get my Asus USB n53 wireless adaptor functioning, and have graphic card not give nouveau error :D |
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| 16:18.25 | Brigo | v0tick, apt-get install firmware-ralink |
| 16:18.35 | v0tick | Alright |
| 16:18.37 | v0tick | Thanks |
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| 16:30.00 | Metaleer | babilen: Problem is still there; here's what the bot asked me to paste, and in addition, my sources.list file: http://paste.debian.net/113416/ |
| 16:30.35 | Metaleer | babilen: I wasn't sure whether to change the 'deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free' line as well; the http.debian.org site didn't mention it. |
| 16:30.46 | Metaleer | (Line 52.) |
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| 16:32.36 | v0tick | Alright think I'm progressing. I'm not connected to my network yet; but iwlist scan returns it |
| 16:32.45 | v0tick | Need to figure out what is wrong with config then |
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| 16:33.05 | Brigo | v0tick, are you using networ-manger? |
| 16:33.42 | v0tick | no just commandline |
| 16:33.51 | v0tick | I have no gui or anything |
| 16:34.12 | Brigo | v0tick, you need to configure the wifi in /etc/network/intefaces |
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| 16:34.50 | v0tick | Yeah, I have stuff configured but something must have been done wrong in it |
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| 16:35.05 | v0tick | auto wlan0, then iface wlan0 inet dhcp, with wpa-ssid as my id, everything is a-ok |
| 16:35.36 | v0tick | Ah I could check config on laptop though, which does have internet |
| 16:35.41 | Brigo | v0tick, and it runs? |
| 16:36.25 | v0tick | My laptop has internal card that connects to internet |
| 16:36.40 | v0tick | the config file has much more in it, such as wpa-proto and a huge wpa-psk |
| 16:37.08 | babilen | v0tick: You were online with ethernet yesterday, please start from that state. |
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| 16:37.39 | babilen | v0tick: AFAIR you didn't have wpasupplicant on that box so you cannot connect to a wpa 2 encrypted network, so lets please not go in circles |
| 16:37.54 | babilen | Metaleer: Let me take a look |
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| 16:38.00 | Metaleer | OK. |
| 16:38.06 | v0tick | babilen: Yes, I can plug ethernet in again and have a connection. |
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| 16:38.53 | v0tick | babilen: Alright I've got eth0 working |
| 16:38.57 | babilen | Metaleer: Please replace "stable" with "wheezy" in your sources.list to begin with (otherwise nasty surprises will happen when jessie is releases) |
| 16:39.15 | Metaleer | Interesting. |
| 16:39.17 | Metaleer | Let me do that. |
| 16:39.28 | babilen | judd: v libcap2-bin |
| 16:39.29 | judd | Package: libcap2-bin on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.19-3; wheezy: 1:2.22-1.2; jessie: 1:2.24-3; sid: 1:2.24-3 |
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| 16:39.38 | babilen | judd: v libcap2-bin --arch amd64 |
| 16:39.39 | judd | Package: libcap2-bin on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.19-3; wheezy: 1:2.22-1.2; jessie: 1:2.24-3; sid: 1:2.24-3 |
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| 16:40.15 | babilen | Should be available, you seem to not have run "apt-get update" after you made changes to your sources.list either, please rectify that. |
| 16:40.40 | Metaleer | OK, let me modify the sources.list file as you said, and then re-run. |
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| 16:41.41 | Metaleer | Huh. |
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| 16:42.25 | v0tick | babilen: I installed wpasupplicant. Reconfigured interfaces to wlan0 but it still won't cocnnect. ifdown wlan0 returns "listening on lpf/wlan0 sending on socket/fallback" |
| 16:42.43 | babilen | Metaleer: You can clearly see in your "apt-cache policy" output that you don't have the main repo in there |
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| 16:43.13 | babilen | v0tick: You are aware that you can have multiple entries, one for each interface, in your /etc/network/interface, aren't you? |
| 16:43.15 | Metaleer | babilen: I see. |
| 16:43.44 | v0tick | babilen: Oh, didn't recall that. I'll have an eth0 one ready but set auto wlan0 then, thanks |
| 16:43.50 | Metaleer | babilen: I modified sources.list as you said, replacing "stable" with "wheezy", saved it, and now this happens: http://paste.debian.net/113420/ |
| 16:44.08 | babilen | v0tick: Well, I have *no* idea what configuration you are using right now and why your interface was up in the first place. If you want any help then paste it. |
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| 16:44.26 | v0tick | babilen: alright will do, one moment. |
| 16:44.28 | Metaleer | "W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'http.debian.org'" |
| 16:44.29 | babilen | But then I am not really going to debug this for hours. |
| 16:44.36 | abrotman | Metaleer: .net |
| 16:44.37 | babilen | Metaleer: It is http.debian.net |
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| 16:44.41 | Metaleer | Ahh, duhhh. |
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| 16:44.59 | Metaleer | <babilen> Metaleer: Why don't you use http.debian.org as suggested? It uses the "best" mirror automatically. Either way we have to see more details on http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:45.05 | Metaleer | You also messed up before. =Þ |
| 16:45.06 | babilen | sorry, my bad |
| 16:45.09 | Metaleer | Threw me off. |
| 16:45.22 | babilen | conflicting muscle memory |
| 16:45.22 | Metaleer | No problem; let me fix. Thanks, babilen, and abrotman. |
| 16:45.26 | Metaleer | Heh, yeah. |
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| 16:47.40 | v0tick | babilen: My config is here: http://paste.debian.net/113421/ I'll try to compile a list of details about my internet setup too so you have more info to look at |
| 16:48.08 | babilen | v0tick: You wouldn't want any of that for eth0 (which is your ethernet) |
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| 16:48.44 | Metaleer | babilen: \o/ sudo apt-get install libcap2-bin worked now. |
| 16:48.46 | Metaleer | Thanks. |
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| 16:49.45 | babilen | Let me quote my sensei: "See, as soon as you do it right, it works." |
| 16:50.01 | Metaleer | Heh/ |
| 16:50.03 | v0tick | babilen: Heh yup. Well I feel good knowing I'm close. |
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| 16:58.10 | v0tick | babilen: iwlist scan is returning all of the local networks. Now it's just a matter of figuring out why my config settings aren't putting me on |
| 16:58.39 | babilen | v0tick: I have no idea, but what are you trying and what kind of network is it? |
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| 16:59.37 | babilen | I mean I'd start by removing the wpa-* lines from eth0 and making sure that *all* interfaces are down. (cf. "ip a", "ip link set IFACE down") -- And then bring it up with "ifup wlan0" |
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| 17:00.10 | babilen | Either way: You could have issues three commands yesterday and would have sorted this out. You *were* online. |
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| 17:00.59 | fossrox | hi everyone, is there a way to install with aptitude only already downloaded packages and postpone the need of further downloads? i have in mind a use case with limited bandwidth available |
| 17:01.04 | v0tick | babilen: I can get online no problem when I plug in the ethernet cable; but the goal is to have the asus usbn53 working so I can bring pc upstairs |
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| 17:03.13 | babilen | v0tick: So, why don't you plug it in so we can *finally* install the software that will allow you to use wireless without having to tinker with any of this? |
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| 17:03.44 | v0tick | babilen: Oh, I could do that. I thought I had to tinker |
| 17:03.54 | babilen | I mean you could have installed the backported kernel, the nvidia driver, XFCE and network-manager-gnome (a wireless configuration program) already, got wireless working *with that* and moved on. |
| 17:04.04 | babilen | Sorry, I have no time for your games. |
| 17:04.33 | v0tick | I'm sorry, I'm not trying to play games. |
| 17:05.15 | abrotman | babilen: How about a nice game of chess? |
| 17:05.18 | babilen | So, get that box online, configure repositories and install the aforementioned software. |
| 17:05.44 | v0tick | babilen: Alright I'm online, will do. |
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| 17:05.59 | babilen | Okay, I take it that you still have the commands I gave you yesterday. Run them. |
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| 17:06.42 | fossrox_ | i got disconnected, did anybody answer to my question in the meanwhile? |
| 17:07.02 | abrotman | fossrox_: if it needs a dependency, no |
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| 17:07.49 | fossrox_ | abrotman: can one somehow isolate packages which need further dependencies to be downloaded? |
| 17:07.56 | babilen | fossrox_: apt* will install whatever you ask it to install and, if all packages to do so are available offline, it will use the local cache. If it cannot download all packages it will not install it. |
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| 17:08.22 | abrotman | fossrox_: it will use local packages if the correct ones are available |
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| 17:09.55 | fossrox_ | ok, but how one could avoid messing up the automatically/manually installed marks in such as case? |
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| 17:14.33 | fossrox_ | My package list has this summary: 769 upgraded, 51 newly installed, 7 to remove and 2 not upgraded. Need to get 259 MB/1,066 MB of archives. -- and right now i'm without broadband so cannot finish download easily, that's a lot of packages for one to look up if they are automatically/manually installed and if all dependencies will be met, so i thought about some programmable solution... |
| 17:16.18 | fossrox_ | dreams about some debian satellite which streams free internet, and not only uses debian as the ISS |
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| 17:18.47 | abrotman | maye you shouldn't wait so long between upgrades ? |
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| 17:20.20 | fossrox_ | abrotman: i would love to be able to run them on time, but for most of the time during last months i have only access to very limited bw |
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| 17:21.45 | bone_idol | hi |
| 17:22.12 | bone_idol | seeing apt signing errors from a mirror |
| 17:22.14 | bone_idol | W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: |
| 17:22.17 | bone_idol | +http://http.debian.net squeeze-lts Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key |
| 17:22.20 | bone_idol | +(7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 17:22.23 | bone_idol | that gpg key looks really wierd. |
| 17:22.29 | bone_idol | https://zimmermann.mayfirst.org/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x8B48AD6246925553&fingerprint=on |
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| 17:27.39 | v0tick | babilen: installed wheezy backports, believe it worked. Just followed dpkg and got the most updated version |
| 17:28.19 | nkuttler | !tell bone_idol about lts |
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| 17:28.27 | nkuttler | bone_idol: see their support channel, on oftc |
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| 17:39.03 | edakiri | If one has a deb package downloaded as a file and what it depends upon is in the repository, |
| 17:39.18 | edakiri | is there a way to automatically install what the file depends upon? |
| 17:40.12 | dvs | edakiri: I think it will automaticallly download the dependecies when you try to install the .deb. |
| 17:40.23 | babilen | v0tick: Okay, now install the dkms driver *and* linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64 from wheezy-backports (with "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install ...) and follow https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy-backports and configure it as detailed on that page |
| 17:40.45 | edakiri | dvs: in my attempt, it did not, when I install the deb using dpkg. Maybe with a higher level package manager? |
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| 17:41.33 | babilen | v0tick: As you have the kernel from wheezy-backports you also need the headers from there, so install them all in one go. |
| 17:41.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell v0tick about install xfce |
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| 17:42.20 | babilen | v0tick: And then also install network-manager-gnome (feel free to pull that from backports too) and firmware-linux-nonfree from there. |
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| 17:44.13 | zz1 | I have a problem with Debian in dual boot on an iMac: I installed rEFInd and also I installed Debian. On boot, when I choose to boot on Debian I end up with a black screen |
| 17:44.15 | v0tick | babilen: Alright. |
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| 17:44.36 | v0tick | babilen: Right now I have kde-standard installing since I decided to go with that as environment |
| 17:44.49 | abrotman | edakiri: please provide more details |
| 17:44.51 | v0tick | hopefully having that download first won't be a problem |
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| 17:45.06 | babilen | v0tick: Sure, then don't install network-manager-gnome, but the kde variant |
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| 17:45.15 | abrotman | edakiri: "I downloaded Foo, and it's a .deb, and when I try to install it by doing X, it fails, with this error" .. we aren't mind readers |
| 17:45.24 | v0tick | babilen: Alright, thanks. Really appreciate all the time you've supplied to help me. |
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| 17:45.32 | abrotman | and only babilen is an international man of mystery and can read your screen :) |
| 17:45.37 | edakiri | abrotman: dpkg -i file.deb " prints out list of missing packages, but seems not to try to install them. |
| 17:45.53 | babilen | v0tick: You don't need xfce then .. remember to pull in firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 17:46.00 | babilen | (from backports) |
| 17:46.13 | abrotman | edakiri: not file.deb .. be less vague |
| 17:46.26 | abrotman | edakiri: either give us fucking details, or figure it out on your own |
| 17:46.50 | zz1 | rEFInd shows me 3 possible boot volumes: EFI\debia\grubx64.efi, boot\vmlinux-3.2.0-amd64 and Boot Legacy OS |
| 17:46.52 | babilen | (e.g. use http://paste.debian.net to paste your entire command and its output) |
| 17:47.17 | edakiri | Package is : https://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/ |
| 17:47.20 | v0tick | babilen: Will do |
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| 17:47.35 | abrotman | edakiri: see, that's easy .. dpkg -i skypecrap.deb;apt-get -f install |
| 17:47.42 | edakiri | it is i386. I have enabled i386 on my amd64 installation and did apt update. |
| 17:48.08 | zz1 | (doubt: my processor is Intel Core 2 Duo, which is x86-64 architecture: maybe I shouldn't have used the amd64 version? |
| 17:48.10 | mtn | edakiri: are you following the debian skype wiki? that would be a good idea ;) |
| 17:48.12 | abrotman | runs away |
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| 17:48.38 | edakiri | I never imagined there would be a debian wiki page for skype. I shall look. |
| 17:48.40 | babilen | v0tick: I don't know the name of the network-manager package for kde (I'm really not a KDE person), but "apt-cache search network manager kde" should find it and you might even already have it by installing kde-standard (which is *huge*!) |
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| 17:49.27 | mtn | edakiri: yup the wiki is very helpful for all kinds of things. should be your first stop looking for info about debian |
| 17:49.30 | babilen | v0tick: Ah, one more thing: network-manager won't manage any interfaces that are present in /etc/network/interfaces so you have to remove them from there if you want network-manager to manage them (obviously only remove eth0 once you are done installing) |
| 17:49.31 | holmgren | ITYM plasma-nm |
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| 17:49.37 | babilen | holmgren: Is that in wheezy? |
| 17:49.46 | dvs | babilen: network-manager-kde - transitional package for plasma-widget-networkmanagement |
| 17:49.48 | babilen | judd: v plasma-nm |
| 17:49.49 | judd | Package: plasma-nm on i386 -- jessie: 0.9.3.3-4; sid: 0.9.3.3-4 |
| 17:49.57 | babilen | judd: info network-manager-kde |
| 17:49.57 | holmgren | If not, it's plasma-widget-networkmanagement |
| 17:49.58 | judd | Package network-manager-kde (oldlibs, extra) in wheezy/i386: transitional package for plasma-widget-networkmanagement. Version: 1:0.9.0.3-1; Size: 7.8k; Installed: 36k |
| 17:50.05 | babilen | ,depends network-manager-kde |
| 17:50.06 | judd | Package network-manager-kde in wheezy/i386 -- depends: plasma-widget-networkmanagement. |
| 17:50.21 | babilen | judd: v plasma-widget-networkmanagement. |
| 17:50.22 | judd | No package named 'plasma-widget-networkmanagement.' was found in i386. |
| 17:50.23 | babilen | judd: v plasma-widget-networkmanagement |
| 17:50.24 | judd | Package: plasma-widget-networkmanagement on i386 -- squeeze: 0.1~svn1141976-1; squeeze-backports: 0.1+git20110422.810bc16-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.0.3-1; jessie: 0.9.3.3-4; sid: 0.9.3.3-4 |
| 17:50.36 | babilen | apologises for the flood :( |
| 17:50.48 | dvs | tell babilen about flood ;-) |
| 17:52.19 | v0tick | babilen: Yeah the package I'm getting is huge, wondering what will happen when it is done, I'll get to see lol. And alright will keep that network info in mind thanks. |
| 17:52.20 | babilen | v0tick: ^^^ you want plasma-widget-networkmanagement |
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| 17:52.32 | v0tick | Awesome! alright I'll go with that then |
| 17:52.41 | babilen | v0tick: Don't forget to install and configure nvidia drivers and Xorg |
| 17:52.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell v0tick about install x |
| 17:53.13 | v0tick | babilen: Yeah I'm keeping track of all your messages here, I guess any order works. I'll get all packages from wheezy backports, kde working, networking stuff |
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| 17:54.16 | zz1 | :-( You are ignoring me! |
| 17:54.21 | zz1 | Is it because I said I am dealing with an iMac? |
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| 17:54.28 | zz1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:55.39 | zz1 | Well, I guess it is! |
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| 17:57.54 | Resilience | Im looking at the iprout2 command, and in this page https://support.cumulusnetworks.com/hc/en-us/articles/202933638-Comparing-ifupdown2-Commands-with-ifupdown-Commands in the first example an ip addrees for the loopback interface is confgiured, and I don't udnerstand waht could be useful for... |
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| 18:00.24 | mtn | zz1: people answer questions if they have answers. if they don't have answers, they don't answer. ;) |
| 18:01.05 | zz1 | mtn I guess that's it. But it was fun to come over with racism accusations :-) |
| 18:01.30 | mtn | zz1: glad you are enjoying yourself |
| 18:01.55 | zz1 | So I'll change my question: any suggestion on how to get a dual boot with Debian on an iMac? |
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| 18:02.10 | v0tick | babilen: Alright installed the driver, it indeed says I must adjust xorg.conf before use. Should I reboot my system and see if I have kde gui stuff? As I'm still on terminal. Plasma networking was also autoinstalled with kde, all the backport stuff was installed as you requested. |
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| 18:02.32 | zz1 | Since my first shot at it was unsuccessful |
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| 18:06.15 | dvs | v0tick: Why would you reboot when you know your xorg.conf is not set up properly? |
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| 18:10.57 | babilen | v0tick: Please run "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 18:11.27 | babilen | That will create the necessary configuration file and you can then reboot. (make sure to install firmare-linux-nonfree from backports!) |
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| 18:13.36 | v0tick | babilen: Got everything there and rebooted. I have not put graphics card back in yet; but It gave me several options at grub loader as before and put me into a terminal screen again |
| 18:13.46 | babilen | Oh, you want the card in there now |
| 18:13.54 | babilen | (as the system is configured to use that now) |
| 18:14.05 | v0tick | Ok I'll go get it and see what happens |
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| 18:16.24 | meek_geek | yo |
| 18:16.33 | dvs | nes |
| 18:17.15 | Resilience | I'm looking at the iproute2 command, and in this page https://support.cumulusnetworks.com/hc/en-us/articles/202933638-Comparing-ifupdown2-Commands-with-ifupdown-Commands in the first example an ip addrees for the loopback interface is confgiured, and I don't understand what could be useful for... |
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| 18:18.12 | reallyabnormal | #raspberrypi |
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| 18:20.53 | v0tick | Going to go eat supper, will be back shortly |
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| 18:30.22 | fossrox | abrotman, babilen: i did it like this: got a list of all manually installed packages with aptitude search '~i !~M', compared that with /var/cache/apt/archives, stripped strings from both locations to a form that let me compare package names, then i lopped over the conjuction calling 'apt-get install --assume-no <package>' |
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| 18:30.43 | fossrox | looped* |
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| 18:34.01 | fossrox | it's not perfect but one could do same for automatically installed to have more upgrades applied |
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| 18:44.19 | gtristan | I'm having some trouble creating a debian package for a service... new at using the debian package structure |
| 18:44.26 | Resilience | I'm looking at the iproute2 command, and in this page https://support.cumulusnetworks.com/hc/en-us/articles/202933638-Comparing-ifupdown2-Commands-with-ifupdown-Commands in the first example an ip addrees for the loopback interface is confgiured, and I don't understand what could be useful for... |
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| 18:44.41 | gtristan | particularly, I'm using a ${package}.init file in the debian/ directory |
| 18:45.08 | gtristan | and it creates a /etc/init.d/${package} script out of it fine in the package content |
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| 18:45.19 | gtristan | dpkg -c package.deb says it's there |
| 18:45.20 | dpkg | wish i knew, gtristan |
| 18:45.25 | gtristan | however |
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| 18:45.58 | gtristan | when I run sudo dpkg --install ... it installs everything *except* the init script |
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| 18:46.46 | gtristan | in the debian/${package}/DEBIAN directory after the build... I find the preinst/postinst/prerm scripts created like a charm... but they are not run either |
| 18:46.55 | Shadow_7 | gtristan: does apt-file show the initscript in that package? |
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| 18:47.46 | Shadow_7 | gtristan: or I guess dpkg -c <file.deb> for local stuff |
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| 18:48.21 | gtristan | gtristan, dpkg -c <file.deb> shows /etc/init.d/file-im-looking-for yes |
| 18:48.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell gtristan -about mentors |
| 18:48.45 | gtristan | gah |
| 18:49.01 | gtristan | Shadow_7, ^^^^^^ yes it does, but it doesnt install it :-/ |
| 18:49.26 | Shadow_7 | gtristan: dpkg-divert ? might be conflicting |
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| 18:51.27 | gtristan | Shadow_7, Hmmm the package only exists on this host, dpkg-divert --list <packagename> | <file> produce no output |
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| 18:51.40 | gtristan | (not sure what it's supposed to do) |
| 18:52.13 | gtristan | wonders if dpkg has built some cache of packages on the sly, maybe it's not installing the one I'm giving it ? |
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| 18:56.47 | babilen | gtristan: Why don't you take it to #debian-mentors? It the best channel for getting packaging support. (on irc.oftc.net ) |
| 18:57.01 | edgimar | can anyone explain how to use apt-get source --build to build static binaries? I tried exporting compiler and linker flags beforehand, to no avail. |
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| 18:57.51 | gtristan | babilen, after I finish breakfast, thanks for the tip ;-) |
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| 19:03.06 | Okee | Is anyone working on Keepass2? KeepassX is taking a really looooong time to get their update, and Keepass2 is the only thing that works in emulation mode in Debian. However, Keepass2 is really old, and I have to paste it into Notepad, and copy the results into the input box for both Chromium and Chrome. It is a nuisance. |
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| 19:04.38 | jelly-home | Okee: what update for keepassx are you refering to? |
| 19:05.15 | Okee | jelly-home> Version 2.00 It has been in alpha for more than a year. |
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| 19:05.54 | jelly-home | yeah, not many people choose to use alpha-quality software |
| 19:06.17 | jelly-home | Okee: what are you missing in 0.4.3? |
| 19:08.17 | Okee | jelly-home> I gave up on KeepasX Version 0.4.3 It had too many problems, and was a bit primitive. I have been using Keepass2 in emulation mode, for a long time. Until recently, it worked in all the browsers, but emulation mode is only up to 2.17, while the current version is 2.27 It needs to be updated. The likelihood of an updated emulation mode working corretly is probably the best option at this point. |
| 19:08.24 | edakiri | This is how you can get the password copied to the clipboard as a 'Launcher' in FPM2: echo "$a"|xsel -i |
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| 19:08.42 | edakiri | I bet you could do something similar in KeePass.? |
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| 19:10.41 | claw | oh damn systemd |
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| 19:11.03 | claw | "Failed to load default target: Unit name dev-mappercache is not valid." |
| 19:11.11 | claw | then the emergancy mode fails too |
| 19:11.24 | jelly-home | Okee: do you have a clipboard manager of some sort running? |
| 19:11.29 | claw | anybody can guide me on how to locate that "unit" and fix it |
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| 19:12.19 | jelly-home | Okee: I've found several apps like chrome, xchat and rdesktop not to like those very much |
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| 19:12.39 | edakiri | With KeePassX, it works to click a button to copy to a clipboard. (for me). Okee. |
| 19:13.09 | jelly-home | that's how I use it as well, and it copies to both the clipboard and primary selection |
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| 19:13.34 | jelly-home | can't remember the reason why I'm avoiding keepass2 |
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| 19:17.00 | Okee | edakiri> What version of KeepassX are you using? I am using Keepass2 in emulation mode, and found KeepassX 0.4.3 to be too buggy. |
| 19:17.36 | edakiri | Okee: 0.4.3. I haven't noticed bugs. |
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| 19:18.11 | edakiri | except for some small text. |
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| 19:18.31 | Okee | edakiri> Keepass2 for Debian needs to be updated |
| 19:18.47 | jelly-home | ,v keepass2 |
| 19:18.49 | judd | Package: keepass2 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.19+dfsg-2; jessie: 2.26+dfsg-2; sid: 2.26+dfsg-2 |
| 19:19.00 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport keepass2 |
| 19:19.01 | judd | Backporting package keepass2 in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 19:19.26 | jelly-home | Okee: you can try backporting it yourself, read /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:20.27 | Okee | jelly-home> I did not find Keepass2 in the backports. I am on Debian stable. |
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| 19:21.47 | jelly-home | yes. That's why I'm suggesting you make a backport on your own. |
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| 19:27.42 | babilen | Okee: I would recommend to grab keepassx 2 (the alpha) from http://www.keepassx.org/ -- You'd have to compile it yourself, but it works fine with keepass 2 databases and I prefer it. See <stow usage> for a nice program to manage those local installations -- /msg dpkg stow usage |
| 19:28.26 | dvs | is baffled by that name |
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| 20:23.04 | kailo | what is the appropriate way to install the latest qt (5.3) and qt creator (3.1.2)? |
| 20:23.25 | abrotman | in what? |
| 20:23.32 | kailo | I already switched from stable to testing, but it's still pointing at qt4.8 and qt creator 3.0.1 |
| 20:23.38 | kailo | apt-get |
| 20:23.52 | abrotman | no .. "in Jessie" was the appropriate answer |
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| 20:24.20 | kailo | That's the current testing codename, yes |
| 20:24.30 | ricepooding | am i right to assume that a tty is 'safe' from keyloggers that steal keystrokes within X? |
| 20:24.39 | abrotman | judd: versions libqt5core5a |
| 20:24.40 | judd | Package: libqt5core5a on i386 -- jessie: 5.3.1+dfsg-3; sid: 5.3.1+dfsg-3 |
| 20:25.06 | abrotman | kailo: thanks, I'm aware ... |
| 20:25.10 | abrotman | ricepooding: why? |
| 20:25.18 | ricepooding | abrotman, genuine curiosity |
| 20:25.27 | ricepooding | abrotman, i would assume so |
| 20:25.51 | abrotman | ricepooding: why would you assume so? |
| 20:26.07 | kailo | abrotman, that doesn't really answer my question. I've installed libqt5* manually, but qt creator is still ancient, and doesn't use 5.3 libs out of install |
| 20:26.39 | ricepooding | abrotman, i take it X handles keystrokes of its own accord in a sense, so a keylogger that tries to steal keys through X couldn't detect keystrokes issued in a tty? |
| 20:26.42 | abrotman | kailo: it's probably linked against the libqt4 |
| 20:26.50 | kailo | yes |
| 20:27.02 | abrotman | ricepooding: you tell me how the keylogger is stealing keystrokes, and I'll tell you if it's safe :) |
| 20:27.06 | babilen | kailo: No newer version than 3.1.2 in unstable has been packaged |
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| 20:27.35 | kailo | babilen, 3.1.2 would be great; how do I specifically install just that from unstable? |
| 20:28.07 | babilen | Just pull it |
| 20:28.08 | ricepooding | abrotman, lol, it was just a hypothetical situation i guess, i'll do some more research :) |
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| 20:28.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell kailo -about tum |
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| 20:28.37 | babilen | kailo: Just tracking testing alone is ludicrous at this point in the release cycle anyway IMHO |
| 20:29.09 | kailo | babilen, can you elaborate on that? |
| 20:29.35 | babilen | kailo: Please also note that testing/unstable are specifically supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and I would also recommend to read the <sid faq> if you aren't too familiar with testing -- /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 20:30.29 | kailo | I'm aware that it's no more stable than arch/gentoo; probably less considering the level of patching that normally occurs on debian |
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| 20:30.46 | babilen | kailo: package removals, transitions that render large batches of packages uninstallable, lack of security support, ... are all arguments why you want to pay attention to what is going on and pull packages from unstable as the need arises. Besides it simply allows your package manager to make more reasonable decisions. |
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| 20:31.50 | babilen | kailo: It's fine to track it, but testing simply is a tool we use to prepare the next release. Not more and not less. It is just a bad idea to not run <tum> IMHO (but then you can easily do that and enjoy the extra level of, well, testing you get with it. |
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| 20:32.33 | abrotman | babilen: I just run 'jessie' on my main laptop |
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| 20:32.52 | abrotman | babilen: But I know enough to pull from unstable when I need it :) |
| 20:33.50 | babilen | abrotman: Yeah, and you probably have unstable/sid in your sources.list (just that allows apt-get/aptitude/apt/... to come up with *much* more sensible actions than if it were restricted to only work with what it finds in testing) |
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| 20:33.56 | kailo | babilen, I see. Well I definitely don't want to run unstable on everything |
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| 20:34.18 | babilen | It's more the "throw unstable into the mix" rather than "track testing" (jessie is fine and, essentially, the same at the moment) |
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| 20:34.34 | babilen | In fact my preferred setup would be jum :) |
| 20:34.34 | kailo | are there any significant differences between jessie and testing? |
| 20:34.46 | dvs | kailo: none? |
| 20:34.50 | abrotman | babilen: that's what I have .. not tum |
| 20:35.09 | babilen | kailo: It is the same right now. It will make a *massive* difference though once jessie has been released and a new testing is born. |
| 20:35.12 | abrotman | babilen: I've gone through enough of the 'testing' inflow after a release .. |
| 20:35.26 | abrotman | needs this thing to actually work .. he has other systems to play with |
| 20:35.30 | babilen | abrotman: I guess I should write the jum factoid and actually advocate that :) |
| 20:35.34 | kailo | yah that's fair |
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| 20:36.23 | abrotman | babilen: and perhaps have 'tum' link to it, and create a new one called 'real tum' ? |
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| 20:37.19 | abrotman | actually .. it would probably need a 'jum' caveat |
| 20:37.46 | abrotman | otherwise, you could end up wiht a bunch of folks running jessie as stable with unstable sources still mixed in? |
| 20:37.58 | babilen | yeah |
| 20:38.09 | babilen | None of this is ideal for people who don't know what they are doing. |
| 20:38.29 | abrotman | Pfft .. why let that stop them ... |
| 20:38.48 | babilen | (which are by definition the people who shouldn't track testing/unstable and are also the most likely to blindly install it because steam!!¡! and sns) |
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| 20:40.14 | babilen | I guess <jum caveat> + <real rum> and <tum> → <jum> would be good idea. I've finished <jum>, feel free to do the rest or I'll do it tomorrow morning. |
| 20:40.21 | ricepooding | abrotman, i found this http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/linux-security-circus-on-gui-isolation.html -- if a keylogger used the same sort of methods proposed in that, would i be safe in a tty? |
| 20:40.30 | abrotman | wonders what "real rum" is :) |
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| 20:40.41 | babilen | haha |
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| 20:40.58 | dvs | as long as it's not "red rum" |
| 20:41.00 | babilen | abrotman: The reason I'm not writing factoids from scratch right now ;) |
| 20:41.05 | abrotman | it can wait, no one is going to break their system inthe middle of the night |
| 20:41.15 | abrotman | well, not because of that anyway |
| 20:41.16 | ricepooding | abrotman, tldr, the blog talks about 'gui isolation' and states how one application, if exploited, can monitor keystrokes on all other applications running on the same X server |
| 20:41.24 | abrotman | ricepooding: you still missed my point .. |
| 20:41.36 | babilen | abrotman: I was about to object .. anyway, we are approaching ot :) |
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| 20:42.56 | abrotman | babilen: heh |
| 20:43.28 | abrotman | ricepooding: you assume the keylogger is running under the umbrella of Xorg .. |
| 20:44.48 | ricepooding | abrotman, the hypothetical keylogger is sniffing keystrokes by taking advantage of the fact that X allows one app to control/inject/sniff keystrokes to another without restriction |
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| 20:46.21 | abrotman | ricepooding: that's your theory |
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| 20:47.53 | ricepooding | abrotman, yeah, so would it be safe to assume that you're 'safe' from said keylogger in a tty? provided that it has not exploited the system further than logging X keystrokes? i'd think so |
| 20:48.57 | abrotman | ricepooding: try it and see |
| 20:49.21 | ricepooding | abrotman, kk |
| 20:49.27 | heurist | ricepooding: missed most of the discussion, but maybe look at ttysnoop |
| 20:49.35 | abrotman | heurist: that's not what he's asking :) |
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| 20:50.26 | heurist | abrotman: yeah, did not get the rest, just "tty safe from keylogger". if they have access to your system then you are not safe. |
| 20:51.06 | abrotman | heurist: ricepooding is asking a question better suited for #debian-offtopic IMO .. If that gives you a hint :) |
| 20:51.18 | ricepooding | abrotman, oops, sorry, i will be quiet |
| 20:51.21 | ricepooding | :P |
| 20:51.33 | heurist | me too /quiet |
| 20:52.01 | abrotman | you can both go to #debian-offtopic to continue .. don't let me stop you :) |
| 20:52.45 | heurist | abrotman: continue a discussion I jumped in on with the wrong subject, I think I will pass. |
| 20:52.59 | ricepooding | one last comment, turns out that x-only keyloggers can't sniff tty keystrokes if all they do is look at x keystrokes, lol, thanks guys :) |
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| 20:54.35 | abrotman | heurist: don't feel bad, the whole question has a flawed basis :) |
| 20:55.00 | heurist | is immune to bad feelings. |
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| 21:00.18 | Okee | jelly-home> For the record, has anyone tried using the sid version of Keepass2? I haven't checked, but assume it is more recent than version 2.17 As a general rule, I prefer not to mix sid with stable, and would instead prefer to change the pin order of the install. |
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| 21:01.47 | heurist | ,v keepass2 |
| 21:01.48 | judd | Package: keepass2 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.19+dfsg-2; jessie: 2.26+dfsg-2; sid: 2.26+dfsg-2 |
| 21:02.15 | babilen | Okee: I *still* recommend to use keepassx alpha 6 |
| 21:04.02 | Okee | babilen> How buggy is it compared to Keepass2 and KeepassX Version 0.4.3? I have not found KeepassX 0.4.3 to be satisfactory, and find too many bugs, and a primitive feature set. |
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| 21:05.14 | babilen | Okee: I use it and am happy, no idea what problems you had, but you could give it a try. |
| 21:05.35 | babilen | If you don't like it nobody forces you to keep on using it. There is also a nice command line client .. |
| 21:05.55 | Okee | babilen> Is it in the backports? And will it install in Debian Linux stable? |
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| 21:06.26 | babilen | Okee: You have to compile it yourself (as mentioned earlier) and my recommendation for <stow usage> also still stands. |
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| 21:11.33 | kailo | babilen, is the documentation regarding pinning up-to-date? https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences#Installing_from_unstable |
| 21:11.57 | kailo | it suggests modifying /etc/apt/preferences -- but only a preferences.d directory exists on my fresh install |
| 21:13.25 | babilen | kailo: You typically can create directories that do not exist with "mkdir" -- My stance on pinning is: If you use it you are likely to be doing it wrong. |
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| 21:14.01 | kailo | What is the recommended path to installing individual unstable packages then? |
| 21:14.38 | kailo | I want to ensure that I'm not pulling in more unstable packages than necessary |
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| 21:18.54 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 21:19.54 | Azrael_- | i'm searching for a tool to find duplicate files in the same folder (mail folder with 7k files) |
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| 21:20.58 | abrotman | dpkg: info fdupes |
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| 21:21.41 | dpkg | fdupes: (identifies duplicate files within given directories), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.51-1 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
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| 21:21.49 | folken | debconf-set-selections sucks. |
| 21:22.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell kailo -about ssb |
| 21:22.24 | babilen | kailo: *never* mix stable with anything but backports. If there is no backport, create one. |
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| 21:23.36 | Azrael_- | abrotman: thanks, but i just found out, the mails aren't dupes based on mail content but only based on the message id |
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| 21:24.53 | kailo | babilen, I'm on jessie. |
| 21:25.02 | abrotman | Azrael_-: seems easier ? |
| 21:25.27 | kailo | babilen, and this is on a development laptop; I just need up-to-date versions of a few packages |
| 21:26.37 | Azrael_- | abrotman: the message id i only in the file itself, not in the name. so i have to filter the content of each mail for the id and then check for duplicates... |
| 21:26.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell kailo -about jum |
| 21:27.36 | babilen | kailo: Just set the default release then and pull things from unstable. It is, IMHO, ludicrous to not mix the at this point in the release cycle, but it is your system. |
| 21:27.57 | kailo | to not mix what? |
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| 21:28.18 | rocko2 | after I do the "apt-get build-dep" how do I compile it afterwards"? |
| 21:29.30 | kailo | babilen, can you clarify please? |
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| 21:45.24 | tpw_rules | so i just installed debian 7.5 but it seems the openssl available in apt is still vulnerable to heartbleed? |
| 21:45.39 | tpw_rules | "openssl will be upgraded from version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u7 to version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u11. " |
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| 21:46.46 | abrotman | tpw_rules: 7.6 is out, see /topic |
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| 21:47.03 | tpw_rules | how can i upgrade to it? this is a preset thing deployed on a VPS |
| 21:47.08 | abrotman | tpw_rules: unless you're looking at 1.0.1e ? |
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| 21:47.37 | abrotman | tpw_rules: what makes you think it's still vulnerable ? |
| 21:47.37 | heurist | tpw_rules: debian does their own patching, the numbers after the - are their version. You can not judge basted on the package number |
| 21:47.47 | tpw_rules | heurist: really? okay |
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| 21:47.59 | abrotman | dpkg: tell tpw_rules about dsa2896 |
| 21:48.00 | heurist | tpw_rules: check the changelogs |
| 21:48.32 | skaag | any ideas how to solve "Secrets were required, but not provided" with Network Manager connection to a WPA2 network? |
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| 21:48.48 | tpw_rules | okay, thank you both |
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| 21:49.20 | abrotman | skaag: give it the secrets |
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| 21:49.47 | skaag | I did, in nm-connection-editor |
| 21:49.55 | skaag | somehow it seems it doesn't have access to it anymore |
| 21:50.00 | skaag | I'll try again |
| 21:50.04 | skaag | very strange stuff |
| 21:50.26 | jen103 | does anyone who uses tomboy/gnote know if it's possible to copy text from a note and keep the formatting (bold, underlined text)? i'm trying to get it into zim |
| 21:51.45 | kailo | I added sid to sources.list to install a specific package, but now apt-get upgrade wants to upgrade ~10 random, unrelated packages to the sid version |
| 21:52.24 | kailo | I did a apt-get policy ruby, for example, and got the following: |
| 21:52.27 | kailo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.27 | kailo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.27 | kailo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.42 | kailo | why would it try to install the sid version when jessie has higher priority? |
| 21:53.12 | kailo | jessie is also set as default in apt.conf |
| 21:53.55 | kailo | an apt-get upgrade -V shows the following (among others): ruby1.8 (1.8.7.358-7.1+deb7u1 => 1.8.7.358-13) |
| 21:54.04 | kailo | dose this not imply that it's moving from jessie to sid for this package? |
| 21:54.43 | heurist | kailo: read those docs again, a pin higher than 500 will be selected, set sid lower. |
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| 21:55.01 | abrotman | or follow the wiki you were pointed at |
| 21:55.20 | kailo | so I do need to use pin to avoid pulling in sid packages accidentally. |
| 21:55.41 | skaag | yah, was a wrong password |
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| 21:55.58 | heurist | kailo: maybe this is better suited to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:56.04 | kailo | k |
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| 22:03.38 | RockyRoad | Hello there, would somebody like to help with setting up backuppc on debian for linux hosts with rsyncd ? |
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| 22:04.05 | RockyRoad | ... or have a better suggestion |
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| 22:04.25 | DX099 | hello all, is it possible to apt-get install a package on a host system into a chroot ? |
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| 22:05.03 | Brigo | DX099, yes, but not easy. |
| 22:05.05 | DX099 | what I mean is broken remote system and core packages like dpkg suffered major failure |
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| 22:05.51 | DX099 | I sucessfully mounted broken system and want to fix system's core so that I have a working base to start building it again |
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| 22:06.43 | DX099 | I thought about a deboot strap but feared it might overwrite too many things |
| 22:07.23 | DX099 | I considered full reinstall but really want to run a rescue on the system |
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| 22:08.25 | DX099 | Is it a solution ? |
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| 22:11.16 | RockyRoad | what about rsyncd alone ? is it good ? |
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| 22:12.36 | Brigo | DX099, are you still there ? |
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| 22:15.52 | uforek | is there a way to determine which packages modified a specific file? say .bashrc |
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| 22:16.18 | abrotman | a package won't modify ~/.bashrc |
| 22:16.33 | DX099 | Brigo, yes I am |
| 22:16.44 | Brigo | DX099, sorry, lost connection. :) |
| 22:16.47 | DX099 | np |
| 22:16.56 | Brigo | even more difficult, even impossible |
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| 22:17.12 | Brigo | with dpkg broken |
| 22:17.33 | DX099 | Brigo, yes I want to restore it from "outside" the system |
| 22:17.44 | DX099 | at least dpkg |
| 22:17.47 | Brigo | can you connect? |
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| 22:17.58 | DX099 | yes, failing system is mount as I speak |
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| 22:18.33 | DX099 | s/mount/mounted |
| 22:18.37 | Brigo | failing system? |
| 22:19.29 | DX099 | Brigo, yes, the broken system that has its dpkg not working. Basically, it suffered a complete disappearance of /usr/bin and parts of /usr/lib |
| 22:19.58 | Brigo | but it is working somehow .. |
| 22:20.20 | DX099 | Brigo, no it's a rescue partition that I'm working from |
| 22:20.31 | Brigo | ah, ok. |
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| 22:21.16 | Brigo | do you think dpkg will work if you log in? |
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| 22:25.02 | DX099 | Brigo, I can't log in, SSH is broken to |
| 22:25.15 | Brigo | DX099, but you can access the disk |
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| 22:26.06 | Brigo | chroot into it will be like log in, this is why i am asking this question. |
| 22:26.19 | DX099 | yes, I chrooted the broken system and tried to use apt-get there, but like dpkg it is also broken |
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| 22:27.47 | DX099 | "dpkg: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by dpkg)" |
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| 22:29.01 | DX099 | basically, what I did is that I copied /usr/bin from working rescue system into mounted broken system. So of course there are dependency libs version mismatch |
| 22:29.02 | Brigo | DX099, are you using wheezy? |
| 22:29.11 | DX099 | Brigo, yes |
| 22:29.14 | Brigo | DX099, do you have a backup? :) |
| 22:29.35 | DX099 | not of /usr/bin /usr/lib and the rest of them |
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| 22:30.17 | Brigo | the working rescue system is wheezy too? |
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| 22:30.49 | ag4ve | what's the hd-image for? i see the documentation still says to dd the syslinux image onto a thumbdrive to do it that way, so... |
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| 22:31.24 | Brigo | ag4ve, are you trying to install debian? |
| 22:32.07 | ag4ve | it was more a curiosity |
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| 22:32.27 | ag4ve | but yeah, looking because the box i have only has a cdrom and i only have dvdrw disks :) |
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| 22:37.01 | Brigo | ag4ve, that is for usb drives |
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| 22:37.47 | DX099 | Brigo, hm no rescue is Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 22:38.20 | Brigo | so remove this files, they will not work |
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| 22:38.57 | DX099 | ok |
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| 22:39.29 | DX099 | that's done |
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| 22:40.34 | Brigo | DX099, do you have a list of installed packages? |
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| 22:42.21 | Brigo | for the dpkg error you have install libc6 package. You can download it , uncompres it and copy files to right dirs |
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| 22:45.11 | Brigo | you can get it from http://snapshot.debian.org/package/glibc/2.19-7/#libc6_2.19-7 |
| 22:45.21 | DX099 | Brigo, no I don't have a dpkg --get-selections list |
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| 22:48.36 | ag4ve | ok, now i'm actually having an issue installing... :) |
| 22:48.37 | DX099 | Brigo, so basically, on the Ubuntu rescue system, I'll be doing "dpkg-deb --extract libc6-whatever.deb /mnt/mydebianroot/" ? |
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| 22:48.56 | ag4ve | so, i've got an older box (only has a cdrom and no usb boot) |
| 22:49.19 | ag4ve | i don't have any CDs but the hdd has grub on it |
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| 22:49.43 | ag4ve | how do i chainboot an isolinux/syslinux (whatever debian is using) thumb drive? |
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| 22:50.06 | Brigo | DX099, yes, i am not sure about dirs. i would extract it in some dir an copy from there, only for sure |
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| 22:56.47 | DX099 | Brigo, alright, that's done. Now where may I take dpkg from ? as it lied in /usr/bin, I don't have /usr/bin/dpkg anymore... |
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| 22:57.07 | jordila | dear #debian community |
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| 22:57.36 | jordila | i'm trying to build a "live Debian on a USB" as per https://www.linux.com/community/blogs/133-general-linux/420179-creating-a-debian-live-usb-flash-drive-with-persistence-for-non-techies ... |
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| 22:58.17 | Brigo | DX099, http://snapshot.debian.org/package/dpkg/1.16.15/#dpkg_1.16.15 |
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| 22:59.04 | elad | hi |
| 22:59.14 | elad | i need some help |
| 22:59.32 | DX099 | Brigo, thanks again and sorry, I really don't know how to search snapshots.. |
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| 23:00.02 | mtn | elad: The best way to get help on irc is to ask your real question. Give as much detail as you can in a sentence or two. |
| 23:00.05 | jordila | ... "live Debian USB" with persistence... .There, and Debian... .img file is mentioned as starting point. On the other hand, i previously downloaded a Debian... .iso file . Can i re-use it for ? Otherwise... how can if find the needed Debian... .img file for downloading ? thanks ! |
| 23:00.07 | Brigo | DX099, i am looking in my own wheezy system to get the package version .) |
| 23:00.13 | elad | i have an installed system and i'm happy with it, how i can convert it to installetion disk? |
| 23:00.25 | elad | mtn: ^ |
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| 23:02.24 | mtn | elad: I don't know and if I were looking to do that, the first thing I would do would be to ask a search engine |
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| 23:02.46 | DX099 | DX099, it worked, I can run dpkg from chroot and only thing it complains about is having no options |
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| 23:02.57 | elad | mtn: i'm after that.. |
| 23:03.08 | DX099 | I'll see if I can have apt in snapshots too |
| 23:03.17 | elad | google don't like me :( |
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| 23:06.49 | mtn | elad: this might get you started: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=688872 |
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| 23:07.23 | Brigo | DX099, get the list of installed package and reinstall them with apt-get install --reinstall |
| 23:07.47 | Brigo | DX099, it will install the files but will not touch the config files. |
| 23:08.17 | elad | mtn: a-lot of work.. there is no something shimple? |
| 23:08.30 | mtn | elad: heh. what makes you think it will be simple? |
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| 23:09.34 | elad | some wizard .. something like iso file of all the data... |
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| 23:11.26 | Brigo | elad, may be are you looking for bootcd ? |
| 23:11.42 | DX099 | Brigo, how do I feed the list to apt-get ? |
| 23:12.02 | elad | i will be able to install it? |
| 23:12.41 | Brigo | DX099, good question, do you have already the list from dpkg --get-selections > list.txt? |
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| 23:13.11 | DX099 | Brigo, yes, that worked and I got the list |
| 23:13.41 | v0tick | Anyone using an nvidia Geforce GTX 750 ti? I've installed several different options for drivers but none of them are working and I need drivers for nvidia to use a kde environment. |
| 23:14.03 | DX099 | ah sorry, I need to AFK a bit |
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| 23:16.35 | Brigo | DX099, try: apt-get install $(expand list.txt | cut -d" " -f1 ) install --reinstal |
| 23:16.50 | Brigo | DX099, where list.txt is your list. |
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| 23:18.48 | nevermoreraven | which is better aid or snort? |
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| 23:19.08 | nevermoreraven | aide or snort? |
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| 23:23.20 | heurist | nevermoreraven: they are not the same thing, snort if for network and aide is for files. |
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| 23:32.58 | nevermoreraven | yo |
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| 23:40.16 | DX099 | Brigo, I get some 404 error and when I try apt-get update, it has a bunch of "Hash Sum mismatch" and "Encountered a section with no Package: header". And finally : "Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead" |
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| 23:45.58 | srsben | Is gcc -m32 broken on x86_64 in Jessie right now? http://sprunge.us/CMZB |
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| 23:46.05 | Brigo | DX099, can you paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.lst in paste.debian.net? |
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| 23:46.38 | heurist | dpkg: tell srsben -about debian-next |
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| 23:49.01 | DX099 | Brigo, http://paste.debian.net/113478/ |
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| 23:50.23 | Brigo | DX099, the file is ok. Are the disk ok too? |
| 23:51.17 | DX099 | Brigo, the disk is fine |
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| 23:53.29 | DX099 | the thing is /var was also hit when system broke; Here is full command output : http://paste.debian.net/113480/ |
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| 23:54.48 | debconf | DX099 aptitude clean |
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| 23:56.18 | Brigo | DX099, debchange is right :) |
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