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| 00:00.31 | atannus | saimouer: I had network issues with the jessie installer last saturday but it turned out to be a faulty mem chip... |
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| 00:01.54 | sebastian1 | atannus: hmm since freenode nicknames aren't fixed, and can be changed, could have been another sebastian |
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| 00:02.24 | saimouer | So can I get final confirmation that the correct way to install jessie is indeed to use the wheezy installer and update your repos |
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| 00:02.41 | atannus | sebastian1: why are you so sure it wasn't you? |
| 00:03.06 | KM0201 | lol |
| 00:03.07 | atannus | saimouer: you _can_ use the jessie installer. But that can fail because the installer is broken. |
| 00:03.24 | atannus | (or missing your network driver!) |
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| 00:03.32 | saimouer | atannus: right, which is what happened to me. |
| 00:03.38 | atannus | maybe... |
| 00:03.45 | atannus | Did wheezy install? |
| 00:04.01 | saimouer | I haven't done it yet, just finished burning my wheezy disk |
| 00:04.08 | saimouer | I started downloading wheezy after you told me to do that |
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| 00:04.19 | sebastian1 | atannus: I'm not. Just that I starting using testing/unstable only 8 months ago, and nicks can be changed to anything. |
| 00:04.56 | sebastian1 | I'm running testing/unstable mix on my chromebook. And I have stable on my main machine. Been working out well so far. |
| 00:04.58 | atannus | sebastian1: maybe if was another sebastian, a sabastian, or bastian... |
| 00:05.13 | sebastian1 | haha maybe |
| 00:05.13 | atannus | saimouer: awesome, what chromebook? |
| 00:05.26 | saimouer | atannus: what? lol |
| 00:05.29 | sebastian1 | acer c720 |
| 00:05.36 | saimouer | atannus: when did I say anything about chromebooks? |
| 00:05.47 | atannus | saimouer: nm, sorry! |
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| 00:06.03 | saimouer | atannus: no problem :P |
| 00:06.06 | atannus | saimouer: wrong s<tab> guy... |
| 00:06.28 | atannus | sebastian1: how did you install? I have a Pixel... |
| 00:06.44 | atannus | Awesome machine with a useless OS. |
| 00:06.49 | sebastian1 | atannus: I took the easy route for now - crouton |
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| 00:07.07 | sebastian1 | but it's possible to whipe the machine and do a real debian install |
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| 00:08.37 | atannus | sebastian1: The Pixel has the signed boot thing. Is that the case for you? |
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| 00:09.59 | atannus | Also there's the scary "never let the battery run down or you'll lose it all" warning... |
| 00:10.06 | atannus | I let the battery run down ALL THE TIME. |
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| 00:11.56 | sebastian1 | atannus: for crouton that isn't an issue |
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| 00:12.31 | sebastian1 | atannus: but it doing a debian install on a pixel the battery running down may be a problem |
| 00:12.45 | sebastian1 | atannus: take it you've seen this https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/ChromebookPixel |
| 00:13.11 | atannus | sebastian1: yes, that're the source of the scare. |
| 00:13.20 | atannus | sebastian1: did you read about the dev mode? |
| 00:14.37 | sebastian1 | atannus: here is crouton, simple install, chroot environment: https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton |
| 00:14.48 | atannus | thanks will take a look |
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| 00:21.50 | Resilience | helllo to everyone |
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| 00:23.38 | Resilience | I am going to install the sysvinit-core package and the system is gonig to uninstall gdm3, gnome-core, the rest of ognome and udsisks2... what can I install before this happens? |
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| 00:25.44 | themill | Resilience: which release of debian? |
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| 00:26.09 | shay_shay | hello, i install virtualenvwrapper (from apt-get) for one of my users, and then i activated as that user, next time i "su -" root had virtualenvwrapper activate in its login shell as well. i cant seem to figure out how to disable this short of uninstalling it |
| 00:26.23 | shay_shay | its not in .profile, .bash_profile, ir .bashrc as far as i can tell |
| 00:26.30 | shay_shay | s/ir/or |
| 00:27.02 | shay_shay | i think its somehow tied to bash completion |
| 00:28.20 | themill | shay_shay: this is all run from /etc/bash_completion.d/virtualenvwrapper yes. The purpose of this package is to automatically deal with virtualenvs -- if you don't really need that sort of automated management then uninstalling it is simplest. (You can still just . bin/activate) |
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| 00:29.06 | shay_shay | id like to just disable it for root |
| 00:29.16 | shay_shay | i dont know why root would need such a thing |
| 00:29.41 | themill | root can have uses for virtualenvs too |
| 00:29.51 | shay_shay | ok i'll just ignore it then |
| 00:30.23 | shay_shay | it will run once for each user so as long as i dont keep rm -rfing that .virtualenv/ directory i wont have to see the spam each time :) |
| 00:30.27 | TJ- | shay_shay: "/etc/profile" ? |
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| 00:30.59 | TJ- | shay_shay: also, check "/etc/profile.d/" for scripts installed by other packages |
| 00:31.00 | themill | shay_shay: you could add a test for being root to the top of that file |
| 00:31.37 | shay_shay | /etc/profile.d/bash_completion.sh looks like its coming from here |
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| 00:32.12 | shay_shay | i'll just ignore it, bigger fish |
| 00:32.14 | shay_shay | :D |
| 00:32.49 | Spec | What configuration determines how much data can be buffered before it's written to a file with a standard io redirection? |
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| 00:44.16 | rryoumaa | Spec: stdbuf(1) might or might not be slightly relevant |
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| 00:45.00 | Spec | neato |
| 00:45.14 | shay_shay | marduk ruby 2.1? |
| 00:45.18 | rryoumaa | but i don't pretend to understand these low level things |
| 00:45.39 | Spec | rryoumaa: i was really just looking for what sets/controls it out of curiosity, but stdbuf is really neat! |
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| 00:46.54 | rryoumaa | it looks like a kludge to me. sometimes works, sometimes not. the example shows something that you'd think would not buffer by default. etc. tee seems to screw it up. etc. |
| 00:47.33 | Spec | yeah |
| 00:47.41 | Spec | i think it's a bash thing, then |
| 00:47.43 | themill | programs can set their own buffering |
| 00:47.59 | Spec | yeah, but what sets the default (which appears to be 4096 for me) |
| 00:50.31 | rryoumaa | why tee would not buffer its stdout at a low granularity? dunno. |
| 00:51.33 | Spec | according to pipe(7): |
| 00:51.41 | Spec | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.42 | Spec | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.21 | Spec | so i guess that's the default |
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| 01:41.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | hi peeps i got one debian node that didnt update the lzo package from yesterday, until i did a full upgrade with aptitude. is there a setting i need to set? i dont see anyting in /etc/apt |
| 01:44.36 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: try again |
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| 01:45.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i did an aptitude safe-upgrade on all of my node but one didnt install one package that the others did that lzo package update that came in like a day ago |
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| 01:46.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i am trying to figure out why it didnt instal it, it saw it in the sources and it installed after i did a full-upgrade |
| 01:46.14 | themill | Eryn_1983_FL: the full output of your apt run, apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy $package would be good to see |
| 01:46.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok see didnt even know what to do :) |
| 01:49.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | there ya go bottom two are the policy commands |
| 01:49.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | liblzo2-2 |
| 01:49.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/YVKj |
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| 01:52.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i gotta go i'll check in later if you respond |
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| 01:53.07 | abrotman | wtf .. |
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| 01:53.28 | themill | Eryn_1983_FL: that paste shows us absolutely nothing useful |
| 01:53.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | i did what you told me to do.. |
| 01:54.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | apt run means what? my aptitude full-upgrade right? |
| 01:54.16 | apt | ACTION runs means what? my aptitude full-upgrade right in Windows and gets an illegal page fault, then runs means what? my aptitude full-upgrade right in Linux and all the problems magically disappear. |
| 01:54.37 | themill | Eryn_1983_FL: you said there was a problem needing fixing. Where can I see anything about that problem? |
| 01:55.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | not a problem i wanted to know why i had to do a fullupgrade instead of a safe upgrade on one machine and not the others.. |
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| 01:55.18 | dvs | themill: I think the problem is fixed but Eryn_1983_FL was wondering why it happened after the fact. |
| 01:55.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | one setting is not the same like the others. |
| 01:55.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | technically not fixed. but the package is installed. |
| 01:55.51 | themill | dvs: apparently so. |
| 01:56.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | sigh i am going to work. |
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| 01:56.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am going to go boil my brain cells in oil .. |
| 01:57.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | they only get me into trouble anyways.. |
| 01:57.14 | themill | Eryn_1983_FL: in the absence of a time machine, it's hard to to know what was happening some time in the past. |
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| 02:02.49 | ses1984 | is this channel logged? i had some questions about mirrors...the mirrors listed in my /etc/apt/sources.list seem to kinda be down? or just slow? or not at all? i was wondering if it was just me |
| 02:03.03 | cafuego | ses1984: Yes, this channel is logged. |
| 02:03.34 | cafuego | ses1984: Just pick some other mirrors, see how they go. |
| 02:03.36 | cafuego | mirrors? |
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| 02:03.41 | cafuego | mirror? |
| 02:03.45 | cafuego | !mirrors |
| 02:03.45 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <http.debian.net>, <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:04.02 | themill | dpkg: tell ses1984 about http.debian.net |
| 02:04.03 | ses1984 | apparently it's my dns |
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| 02:04.12 | _FBi | use googles :) |
| 02:04.20 | _FBi | 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 |
| 02:04.21 | cafuego | ses1984: Install a local dns proxy |
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| 02:04.46 | cafuego | dnsmasq; point that at google and/or your ISP for upstream |
| 02:05.03 | ses1984 | well i was googling some stuff about mirrors and was having a hard time picking one, then something said that what's in my /etc/apt/sources.list should select a cycle of mirrors anyway, that's when i checked dns |
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| 02:05.40 | ses1984 | is it a little tinfoily to not want to use google as my dns server for privacy reasons |
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| 02:07.37 | heurist | ses1984: if you do not like google then use 4.2.2.2 |
| 02:08.04 | abrotman | ses1984: your ISP has lovely DNS servers |
| 02:08.47 | ses1984 | yeah i know i have alternatives...i was just asking, do you guys think it's a little tinfoily to have that kind of idea |
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| 02:09.28 | dvs | yes |
| 02:09.32 | ses1984 | actually since snowden i've started caring less and less about privacy and i just kind of assume i have none all the time |
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| 02:15.15 | DanDare | ses1984, makes sense. Anyway, I guess youre used already with tons of directed advertising already |
| 02:15.22 | DanDare | like many of us :) |
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| 02:18.18 | ses1984 | i actually have done a pretty good job of avoiding seeing a lot of ads, until i recently set up a new computer and saw that internet is like without all the blocking tools installed. it's pretty creepy how, even all the effort i went to avoid tracking, |
| 02:18.27 | ses1984 | nearly every ad i saw was like a window into my search history |
| 02:19.35 | DanDare | I see |
| 02:19.40 | DanDare | addblocks works nice |
| 02:20.45 | phogg | ses1984: Iceweasel+RequestPolicy+NoScript. Problem (largely) solved. |
| 02:21.18 | _unreal_ | rebooting right now but I'm still trying to get my 3d hardware working on this stupid ATI video card. on a 7.6 install weezy |
| 02:21.37 | _unreal_ | I just installed https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 02:22.33 | _unreal_ | I type in glxinfo and I get: error unable to open display |
| 02:22.33 | cumino | phogg: tell them :) |
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| 02:28.52 | _unreal_ | any one know a lot about ati video cards and debian? |
| 02:29.13 | dvs | !anyone |
| 02:29.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 02:31.23 | abrotman | _unreal_: that's too vague |
| 02:31.56 | _unreal_ | well I'm trying to get an ati x1050 working with full 3d support on debian 7.6 |
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| 02:32.01 | _unreal_ | so far I've failed |
| 02:32.17 | _unreal_ | 2d is fine but 3d gives me errors |
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| 02:33.12 | abrotman | 3d with which driver? |
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| 02:33.22 | abrotman | you're being way to vague to make anyone give a shit about helping you |
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| 02:38.18 | _unreal_ | I installed this https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 02:39.29 | _unreal_ | I've installed the firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 02:39.48 | abrotman | that doesn't answer which driver you're using .. |
| 02:40.01 | _unreal_ | but glxinfo reports: error unable to open display |
| 02:40.23 | _unreal_ | ok at this point I'm not even sure any more. I've removed and installed a few times at this point |
| 02:40.51 | _unreal_ | and I'm not sure of what command will give a list of current driver(s) |
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| 02:43.21 | abrotman | your Xorg.0.log might tell you |
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| 02:44.30 | _unreal_ | lspci -v | grep -i radeon gives me this http://pastebin.com/LJgUECdL |
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| 02:48.53 | _unreal_ | ? |
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| 02:51.10 | dvs | lspci is not a list of drivers. |
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| 02:52.20 | _unreal_ | well if I knew what command would give a list of drivers I'd post the results |
| 02:52.41 | dvs | _unreal_: abrotman just told you |
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| 02:55.00 | _unreal_ | um ya....... |
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| 03:20.33 | saimouer | Hey guys, trying to install nvidia-driver on my new debian installation and I'm getting a bunch of unmet dependencies errors. Here's a pastebin of my terminal: http://pastebin.com/H87xjG2m Can anyone shed some light on the situation? |
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| 03:25.44 | KM0201 | saimouer: do you have backports enabled?... have you seen this? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#nvidia-detect |
| 03:25.54 | KM0201 | never done it, but it seems pretty straightforward |
| 03:26.18 | saimouer | KM0201: No, I've never done anything regarding enabling backports. |
| 03:26.49 | saimouer | KM0201: I'm trying to get the most recent driver, not the 319.82 |
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| 03:27.10 | heurist | dpkg: tell saimouer -about frankendebian |
| 03:27.18 | KM0201 | where did you get the driver.. from nvidia? |
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| 03:27.27 | somiaj | saimouer: If you are getting strange depends like that you are mixing versions of debian. Did you try to install a jessie/sid version of the drivers on wheezy? |
| 03:28.02 | saimouer | KM0201: Yeah, I got it from NVIDIA but I tried it in Synaptic as well. Same errors. |
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| 03:28.59 | saimouer | somiaj: If I'm mixing versions that wasn't intentional. I just replaced "wheezy" with "jessie" in that one /etc/ file and ran apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. I followed documentation exactly. |
| 03:29.19 | somiaj | oh so you are upgrading to jessie, I'm not sure if the nvidia drivers are still borken in jessie or not |
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| 03:29.43 | saimouer | somiaj: I'm just using the most recent version. |
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| 03:33.34 | heurist | Psi-Jack: what the os that came out last month is newer than the one that is two years old? really? |
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| 03:33.58 | heurist | woops, channel not right error. |
| 03:34.02 | KM0201 | senses extreme sarcasm |
| 03:34.24 | Psi-Jack | :p |
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| 03:35.23 | saimouer | I am not mixing versions of debian. I am on Jessie. |
| 03:35.31 | saimouer | nvidia-driver is a jessie package. |
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| 03:35.43 | saimouer | I am extremely confused. |
| 03:36.25 | edjix | about? |
| 03:36.26 | heurist | saimouer: jessie is not stable, you upgraded away from stable and found it was not stable. unfortunate but that is the way it is. |
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| 03:37.18 | saimouer | heurist: is there any more troubleshooting I can do to get a jessie package to work with jessie? there's no way the final answer is "unstable" is it? |
| 03:39.08 | zykotick9 | saimouer: fyi, the nvidia driver has been broken in testing for a while now (week or two), i stick to stable ('cause i don't like things breaking)... like somiaj mentioned, i also don't know if it's fixed |
| 03:39.34 | heurist | saimouer: you are probably better off asking in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net we only support stable here. |
| 03:39.47 | saimouer | heurist: Ah okay, I apologize then. |
| 03:40.03 | saimouer | zykotick9: Thank you for the information. |
| 03:40.06 | heurist | saimouer: no worries, we are just not the people who know, we run stable |
| 03:40.11 | justanot1eruser | Is openRC supported on debian? |
| 03:40.21 | KM0201 | saimouer: just curious, why did you upgrade to jessie? |
| 03:40.24 | saimouer | heurist: I gotcha. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. |
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| 03:40.46 | saimouer | KM0201: Namely systemd, also GNOME. But I'm thinking about moving away from GNOME anyway so |
| 03:40.54 | heurist | justanot1eruser: https://wiki.debian.org/OpenRC |
| 03:41.23 | KM0201 | i see.. and yeah, Gnome... how i miss thee. What a train wreck it has become. Thankfully Mate came along |
| 03:41.45 | justanot1eruser | interesting to see all those gentoo devs on that page |
| 03:42.07 | saimouer | KM0201: Yeah, GNOME has become a massive trainwreck lately. Hence why I'm thinking about moving away from it. |
| 03:42.28 | heurist | justanot1eruser: not surprising. openrc is a gentoo project, and not well supported elsewhere. |
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| 03:42.45 | justanot1eruser | heurist: but they use systemd now, right? |
| 03:42.56 | justanot1eruser | as a default anyways |
| 03:42.59 | saimouer | KM0201: It's embarrassingly slow, like my enthusiast rig can't even run it without stuttering |
| 03:43.10 | heurist | justanot1eruser: not on my remaining gentoo boxes, not yet. but I assume they will eventually. |
| 03:43.21 | justanot1eruser | right |
| 03:43.44 | KM0201 | saimouer: yeah, it's sad.. cuz i used to love it over th othter GUI's... but Gnome3.. i'm not sure how they released that w/ a clear conscience... Have you used Mate? |
| 03:43.47 | heurist | justanot1eruser: my gentoo box is more than a decade old, so maybe they just have not forced the upgrade. |
| 03:44.18 | justanot1eruser | heurist: interesting, I will look further into this on #gentoo, thanks |
| 03:44.41 | saimouer | KM0201: Yeah, I tried it on LMDE. It looked... a little dated, but I liked it overall. |
| 03:45.07 | KM0201 | i think it's awesome.. reminds me what i loved about Gnome... simple and straightforward |
| 03:45.36 | avshalom | for the brief time that i used gnome 3 on my macbook air, i kind of liked it. (switched to kde though) |
| 03:45.54 | KM0201 | has always hated kde |
| 03:46.02 | saimouer | it seems like all the DEs are going down the toilet except for XFCE and MATE. |
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| 03:46.20 | saimouer | oh, and LXDE |
| 03:46.21 | avshalom | well, i like Qt, so I thought I might try to tinker with it |
| 03:46.44 | KM0201 | xfce isn't going down the toilet?... lol. i disagree strongly there.. i used to like xfce.. now it's almost as slow and bloated as kde/gnome |
| 03:46.47 | KM0201 | i like lxde... |
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| 03:47.16 | saimouer | eh... I don't think VANILLA xfce is bad. after it gets pumped full of ubuntu magic then yeah maybe |
| 03:47.35 | avshalom | what are you all using, a pentium iii with 512 Mb ? ;-) |
| 03:47.44 | KM0201 | i dunno, used it on fedora and it felt pretty craptacular |
| 03:48.01 | KM0201 | avshalom: that littlle bit of ram.. you'r egonna be limited.. i'd look at lxde |
| 03:48.16 | avshalom | nah, i have an i7 with 8G |
| 03:48.46 | KM0201 | oh i gotcha.. that was a joke |
| 03:49.07 | KM0201 | i've got an intel celeron something or other in my laptop... it's fine. |
| 03:49.13 | KM0201 | 4gigs of ram |
| 03:49.27 | avshalom | oh, i was thinking 4gig of hard disk |
| 03:49.40 | KM0201 | lol |
| 03:50.01 | KM0201 | 4gigs of hard drive space?.. the first PC I built (a 300mhz AMD k5) had a 4gig hard drive |
| 03:50.17 | avshalom | i think i missed all of the bad gnome 3 stuff. it's pretty nice, but then again, my reference is fvwm |
| 03:50.40 | avshalom | they're all pretty good, really |
| 03:50.53 | KM0201 | alll the GUI's? |
| 03:51.16 | KM0201 | i guess there's prob ably people that think that.. and i used to (even though I personally didn't like KDE).. now.. I consider gnome 3 almost unusuable... |
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| 03:51.32 | avshalom | yeah, i think all the major window managers are pretty good. provided they stay out of the way. |
| 03:52.50 | avshalom | sometimes i click on something in KDE, and I have no clue how to undo it. like little icons in the "task bar" |
| 03:53.07 | KM0201 | lol |
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| 03:53.49 | avshalom | i made the mistake and installed xfce, when i already had kde installed. now i have duplicate GNOME stuff in my task bar. some of it I was able to get rid of... |
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| 03:55.24 | avshalom | i still have a GNOME bluetooth icon and a GNOME wifi signal strength in my KDE. it's ok though, because I happen to like it a bit better than the KDE one, that is also still there |
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| 03:56.36 | avshalom | anyway, note to self, try out new window managers in a VM |
| 03:56.48 | KM0201 | lol, very true. |
| 03:57.34 | avshalom | so i have been on debian laptop for about a month now, having shitcanned mac os x. so far, so good |
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| 03:58.25 | avshalom | i got a little happy with "install suggested packages" -- and I thought sure, why not -- and ended up with a whole bunch of stuff like skolelinux (sp?) and crap that changed my grub wallpaper and KDM screen.... grrrrrrrr. |
| 03:59.15 | avshalom | the only thing I wish debian has is pf firewall |
| 03:59.29 | avshalom | (and the ability to make cheese grits) |
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| 04:02.08 | avshalom | i guess debian/kfreebsd has pf.... |
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| 04:10.59 | dotDeb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:13.46 | avshalom | dotDeb: pf is the firewall developed in OpenBSD |
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| 04:14.21 | Artemis3 | pf is one reason i don't use linux for firewalls :) |
| 04:14.23 | avshalom | i think it's integrated tightly with the BSD kernel, so no chance of a Linux port. |
| 04:14.37 | uforek | can anyone recommend decent ipod management software, pref GPL and minimalistic? |
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| 04:14.55 | dotDeb | avshalom ah ok |
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| 04:15.13 | Artemis3 | and yes, you could use debian/kfreebsd but then you could use freebsd or openbsd |
| 04:17.02 | dotDeb | you can use openbsd with debian? |
| 04:18.19 | avshalom | no, and really not much reason to. debian wraps a freebsd kernel |
| 04:18.29 | dotDeb | yea that's what i was thinking |
| 04:18.55 | dotDeb | isn't the bsd kernel not totally free though like the default debian linux kernel? |
| 04:19.06 | Artemis3 | i don't think they have tho of using the openbsd kernel, there is a netbsd kernel tho |
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| 04:19.50 | avshalom | dotDeb: that's an interesting question. i think it comes down to something very narrow like a USB driver blob or something |
| 04:19.51 | Artemis3 | well it says abandoned |
| 04:19.59 | Artemis3 | so stick to the freebsd kernel |
| 04:20.13 | dotDeb | avshalom ah |
| 04:20.26 | avshalom | dotDeb: otherwise, OpenBSD is pretty adamant about having a free system |
| 04:20.27 | Artemis3 | if you want pf with debian, that is. |
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| 04:20.51 | dotDeb | avshalom yea, are there any "modern" DEs you can use with it? |
| 04:20.52 | avshalom | dotDeb: that community despises RMS, and here I have a sharp disagreement with them. (like they care what i think) |
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| 04:21.09 | dotDeb | avshalom why do they despise him? |
| 04:21.41 | avshalom | he wrote a post to openbsd list, explaining why fsf did not endorse openbsd as a free os |
| 04:21.45 | Artemis3 | dotDeb, you mean modern DEs for openbsd? |
| 04:21.52 | dotDeb | yes |
| 04:21.55 | Artemis3 | or debian/kfreebsd |
| 04:22.07 | dotDeb | both |
| 04:22.17 | avshalom | dotDeb: it was titanic, cataclysmic post. |
| 04:22.31 | dotDeb | from fsf: "FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD all include instructions for obtaining nonfree programs in their ports system. In addition, their kernels include nonfree firmware blobs." |
| 04:22.37 | dotDeb | avshalom link? |
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| 04:23.37 | avshalom | dotDeb: i can't remember, "Real Men Don't Attack Straw Men" |
| 04:24.27 | Artemis3 | dotDeb, well there is kde, gnome, xfce... which one you wanted? |
| 04:25.04 | dotDeb | avshalom found it |
| 04:25.12 | dotDeb | artemis3 oh, all of those are compatible? |
| 04:25.14 | dotDeb | should have guessed |
| 04:25.18 | Artemis3 | note its a bit unfriendly for a desktop, its more suited for firewall and routers |
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| 04:25.35 | Artemis3 | but sure go ahead and try |
| 04:25.56 | Artemis3 | i often use it, simply because its the last OS that can still be installed from a single floppy |
| 04:26.31 | Artemis3 | which is good for that old p3 lying around waiting to do some firewall or such |
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| 04:29.12 | dotDeb | artemis3 you run freebsd by itself or debian gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 04:29.38 | Artemis3 | i haven't tried debian/kfreebsd quite yet, but have experience with the bsds yes |
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| 04:30.15 | Artemis3 | the other thing you will get with the freebsd kernel is zfs filesystem :3 |
| 04:31.07 | Artemis3 | ill play in a vm with debian/kfreebsd just for fun |
| 04:31.31 | dotDeb | wow, reading this openbsd thread |
| 04:31.37 | avshalom | i had good luck with openbsd desktop -- just didn't work so well for my laptop since i am still on apple equipment (broadcom wifi) |
| 04:31.47 | candel | Hi everybody. Need help to avoid sensible-browser defaulting to Chrome (instead of iceweasel). Although I'm not sure how to do that. I wouldn't like to modify the sensible-browser.sh script |
| 04:32.06 | Artemis3 | yes openbsd doesnt come with blobs by default, its less friendly in that regard |
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| 04:33.00 | avshalom | actually, i just replaced my openbsd firewall (on an ooollld white macbook) with tomato shibby |
| 04:33.14 | Artemis3 | hmm iirc some update-alternatives browser thingie (evil chrome sets max priority or such :S) |
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| 04:33.26 | candel | ahhhhh |
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| 04:33.56 | dotDeb | artemis3 if it doesn't come with blobs then why does rms hate it? |
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| 04:34.07 | heurist | candel: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 04:34.16 | Artemis3 | https://wiki.debian.org/HOWTO/DefaultWebBrowser |
| 04:34.20 | Artemis3 | yeah that |
| 04:34.20 | avshalom | i think openbsd does have blobs for usb |
| 04:34.22 | Artemis3 | hehe |
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| 04:34.43 | Artemis3 | don't pay much attention to rms, he hates debian too |
| 04:34.57 | Artemis3 | "too easy to install proprietary software" etc. |
| 04:35.02 | dotDeb | avshalom does stallman ever reply to the thread? http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119730630513821&w=2 |
| 04:35.09 | dotDeb | artemis3 ik |
| 04:35.52 | avshalom | dotDeb: yes, he does, in his usual 24-48 hour delay. keep reading! |
| 04:36.01 | dotDeb | okok |
| 04:36.04 | avshalom | dotDeb: amazing how he keeps his composure |
| 04:36.10 | Artemis3 | you could actually just email him |
| 04:36.49 | avshalom | rms ought not "hate" debian -- the only mainstream "GNU/Linux" distro |
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| 04:37.54 | candel | Thanks Artemis3 heurist |
| 04:38.35 | dotDeb | artemis3 email him about what? |
| 04:38.41 | dotDeb | avshalom agreed |
| 04:39.13 | Artemis3 | ask the questions you have |
| 04:39.45 | dotDeb | artemis3 about his views of openbsd? I just found his replies to the thread |
| 04:39.53 | Artemis3 | ok |
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| 04:40.14 | Artemis3 | the openbsd guy is also a bit arrogant so :3 |
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| 04:40.35 | avshalom | chest pounding |
| 04:41.57 | avshalom | rms holds a certain line, never wavers. i respect that, and unfortunately, that leads to conflict with others. I personally find the GNU documentation license to be a bit much---how this can be a snag with debian---i wish it could be worked out |
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| 04:45.20 | Artemis3 | lame was a terrible example, lame is fully free software, the fact it uses patented technology in "some" countries doesn't make it any less free |
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| 05:08.45 | kailoAtWork | switching from arch to debian, and running into an issue with nvidia drivers |
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| 05:09.08 | kailoAtWork | didn't realize it would break my xorg by installing the usual nvidia packages instead of bumblebee |
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| 05:09.32 | kailoAtWork | any recommendations on how to get x running in the meantime, so I don't have to fuss around with connecting to wifi from command line? |
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| 05:25.50 | vincent_c | kailoAtWork: presumably you have a laptop with nvidia optimus? first thing I'd do is to delete your /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you created one |
| 05:26.03 | kailoAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.04 | kailoAtWork | and yes |
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| 05:27.39 | kailoAtWork | vincent_c, what next? still having trouble connecting to wifi from bash, as I was depending on kde for that before |
| 05:27.45 | kailoAtWork | it's a bit different process than with arch |
| 05:28.15 | vincent_c | you should be able to start X now; maybe try rebooting |
| 05:28.28 | kailoAtWork | ah damn |
| 05:28.44 | kailoAtWork | maybe my user didn't have rights to startx; root worked |
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| 05:29.22 | vincent_c | no, don't do that; either restart your display manager or reboot, but don't startx as root |
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| 05:29.33 | kailoAtWork | yeah, I exited right away |
| 05:30.00 | kailoAtWork | ahhh |
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| 05:30.07 | kailoAtWork | looks like x was crashing due to not enough space on / |
| 05:30.13 | kailoAtWork | or at least it is now |
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| 05:30.26 | kailoAtWork | how can I resize my /? I'm on lfs/ext4 |
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| 05:46.38 | kailoAtWork | seems kind of ridiculous that 10GB was the default size for / with the installer |
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| 06:18.17 | kikimeter | How can I see if there are updates available on a debian server, without installing them? |
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| 06:19.29 | formorer | apt-get update ; apt-get -s dist-upgrade |
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| 06:20.00 | kailoAtWork | so I have x running again, and I went through the steps to install bumbebee |
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| 06:20.16 | kailoAtWork | however now whenever I launch kde, kwin crashes immediately at startup, and I am no longer able to connect over wifi |
| 06:20.26 | kailoAtWork | (using network manager) |
| 06:20.34 | kailoAtWork | which I imagine is a result of the crash at startup |
| 06:20.47 | kailoAtWork | is there a way I can disable bumblebee temporarily? |
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| 06:23.07 | kikimeter | thank you formorer |
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| 06:42.20 | Abhijit | anyone here successfully used cobbler for ubuntu/debian? |
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| 06:44.13 | babilen | Abhijit: Be the first! |
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| 06:44.51 | Abhijit | is trying very hard to! |
| 06:45.04 | Abhijit | centos worked out of the box |
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| 06:47.46 | babilen | Abhijit: I don't see cobbler in Debian and would therefore recommend to ask in #cobbler |
| 06:48.52 | Abhijit | not like that |
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| 06:49.12 | Abhijit | babilen, cobbler is already installed in centos. now i want to install debian using cobbler. which is failing at network setting |
| 06:49.23 | Abhijit | but same network setting / kickstart file work with centos |
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| 06:51.18 | kailoAtWork | anyone using bumblebee? managed to resolve all of my kwin crashes and removed stagnant nvidia drivers |
| 06:51.36 | kailoAtWork | however optirun is still complaining that it can't load the gpu driver |
| 06:52.02 | babilen | Abhijit: I don't know what you want us to do about it. Sure, kickstart or cobbler are used and, from what I've seen with kickstarter, even work with Debian, but are not native to it and I think that you are *much* better off seeking support within the cobbler community. I mean feel free to write to debian-user as somebody might have got it running :) |
| 06:52.42 | babilen | kailoAtWork: You followed all steps on https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee including the common issues ones, haven't you? |
| 06:53.22 | kailoAtWork | yep |
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| 06:55.47 | babilen | kailoAtWork: There is a bumblebee channel -- I intentionally didn't buy that hardware and therefore, unfortunately, lack the expertise to debug this further. I am sure that more information (e.g. "when I do $FOO I get$OUTPUT" or "I installed $PKG1, $PKG2, ... and configured it like ...") on a pastebin would probably make it easier to debug this. |
| 06:56.45 | kailoAtWork | meh, may I ask why you avoided it? |
| 06:57.00 | kailoAtWork | I was pretty happy with it in arch; figure it will be better still in debian once configured correctly |
| 06:57.45 | kailoAtWork | after a restart, I'm now getting a different error |
| 06:57.49 | kailoAtWork | seems like progress |
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| 06:58.22 | babilen | Because it causes nothing but trouble (at least at the time when I bought my current private hardware) |
| 06:58.43 | babilen | kailoAtWork: Do you track wheezy? |
| 06:59.01 | kailoAtWork | nah, jessie |
| 06:59.25 | babilen | Ah, you are in the wrong channel then and might want to consider a /join #debian-next |
| 06:59.45 | babilen | (on irc.oftc.net not here on freenode though) |
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| 06:59.50 | kailoAtWork | alright |
| 06:59.59 | kailoAtWork | dunno why they're not on freenode >.> |
| 07:00.22 | babilen | Most official Debian channels are on OFTC (cf. "/msg dpkg oftc move") |
| 07:00.37 | babilen | and irc.debian.org points to irc.oftc.org |
| 07:00.48 | babilen | .net :) |
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| 07:42.21 | pfote | are there any differences in the 'init' environment between squeeze and wheezy? used to start a program from inittab, but that doesnt work on wheezy anymore, get that 'Id "A0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes' error. program started from shell works just fine |
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| 07:48.56 | pfote | never mind, found it, shared lib problem |
| 07:49.58 | mrtnt_ | Am I correct that ps utility just processes files in /proc/<PID>/ directory and shows nice output? |
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| 07:53.29 | lionrouge | hi ! |
| 07:53.44 | lionrouge | i need linux-headers-3.12 but can't find it in the repo |
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| 07:59.56 | peetaur2 | lionrouge: in general, if you have a kernel but not headers, and headers are not in repo, likely your kernel is not either, and both are out of date and removed from the regular repos (and no idea if they exist in other repos). So you should just install the latest headers+kernel and reboot. |
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| 08:11.09 | blueeagle | ph0x: Like this? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729077 |
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| 08:12.38 | samwisegamgee | Can Xubuntu use Debian packages? |
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| 08:13.17 | samwisegamgee | Can Xubuntu use the Debian documentation browser? |
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| 08:13.23 | ph0x | blueeagle: i dont htink so |
| 08:13.32 | blueeagle | samwisegamgee: You would need to ask Xubuntu, but the general answer is "not all of them". |
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| 08:13.54 | samwisegamgee | xubuntu room told me to come here to this room |
| 08:14.12 | ph0x | just join a random room |
| 08:14.25 | samwisegamgee | actually, ubuntu room told me to come here |
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| 08:14.29 | ph0x | lol |
| 08:14.31 | blueeagle | samwisegamgee: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729077 |
| 08:14.32 | ph0x | i wasnt being mean |
| 08:14.34 | ph0x | just silly |
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| 08:14.48 | blueeagle | samwisegamgee: sorry, wrong link. https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/dwww/ |
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| 08:15.39 | samwisegamgee | it looks like most of the optional add ons for Synaptic Package Manager are related to Debian, but I am using Xubuntu |
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| 08:16.03 | pfote | where is the right place to ask questions regarding ls.so? |
| 08:16.11 | jelly | pfote: ld.so? |
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| 08:16.19 | jelly | the runtime linker? |
| 08:16.22 | pfote | yap |
| 08:16.34 | samwisegamgee | so, I am not sure which add ons to choose, if I install Synaptic Package Manager |
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| 08:17.15 | samwisegamgee | I tried asking this in the ubuntu and xubuntu channels, but they refused to help me with the add ons |
| 08:17.17 | blueeagle | samwisegamgee: Is dwww in the xubuntu repos? It was in 13.10, so if it's not there anymore then there is probably a reason for it. However why Xubuntu no longer provides it is not something that we in #Debian can answer. |
| 08:17.28 | jelly | samwisegamgee: while the addons may initially originate from debian, your system is configured to get software from ubuntu repositories |
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| 08:18.19 | samwisegamgee | they kept talking about xubuntu-restriicted-extras, which make no sense |
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| 08:18.36 | pfote | got a lib that doesnt get loaded, probably due to naming problems. used to work under squeeze, bot not under wheezy anymore |
| 08:18.37 | jelly | samwisegamgee: they may refuse to help, but we just don't know what your situation is and can't answer without installing xubuntu. |
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| 08:20.12 | samwisegamgee | I want to install Synaptic Package Manager using the Ubuntu Software Centre, but the optional extras are really confusing, and I don't know anything about the xubuntu- restricted extras, which make even less sense |
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| 08:20.55 | formorer | samwisegamgee: we neither, this is the debian channel, not the ubuntu channel |
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| 08:23.03 | xintron | Should I use the same debian/ config for building to different distributions? Updating the changelog when building for testing and using the same for "stable" or should I make two debian configs (one for testing and one for stable even though they are the same config wise)? |
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| 08:26.21 | babilen | xintron: Please ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 08:32.48 | xintron | babilen, ok, thanks |
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| 08:34.30 | NCS_One | hi |
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| 08:35.54 | ph0x | lightdm on debian REFUSES to autologin to openbox |
| 08:36.00 | ph0x | instead choosing ldxe |
| 08:36.06 | ph0x | lxde* |
| 08:36.24 | ph0x | dispite the config file telling it to load openbox.desktop |
| 08:36.41 | ph0x | the 2 pixel wide bar at the bottom is killing me |
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| 08:37.44 | NCS_One | I'm mounting a small server for a small office web app, I have 2 40GB HDDs, data integraty is important, should I use raid1 and lvm, only lvm or neither? |
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| 08:44.00 | BenNZ | ph0x: try using sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
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| 08:45.06 | ph0x | will do |
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| 08:51.10 | themill | Shadur: you might do better in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 08:57.28 | Stummi | jargon, wrong channel? |
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| 08:59.19 | jargon | Stummi: i figured it's an apt issue, but if u say so |
| 08:59.26 | jargon | smh |
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| 09:00.12 | petern_ | Maybe you shook your head too hard? |
| 09:00.20 | Stummi | no, the issue is you requested an version which is not known by apt. However you probably want to ask your distribution channel about mixing releases. In Debian, it would be a very bad Idea a general |
| 09:00.43 | Stummi | *in general |
| 09:00.59 | jargon | petern_: thank u for your invaluable insight on the matter |
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| 09:01.31 | petern_ | 1) This is #debian not #apt 2) That is aptitude not apt 3) Mixing packages from one distribution to another is... usually a bad idea |
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| 09:03.18 | jargon | petern_: i prostrate myself before your extensive knowledge on the issue |
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| 09:09.35 | jargon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.43 | jargon | oh. already there. heh |
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| 09:10.06 | petern_ | Haha |
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| 09:11.47 | junka | what is the default firewall for debian? |
| 09:11.57 | junka | which |
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| 09:12.10 | Nik05 | iptables |
| 09:12.13 | xarquid | you can use whatever software firewall solution you want -- including ufw |
| 09:12.17 | xarquid | which just manipulates iptables... |
| 09:13.09 | xarquid | junka: need something simple or...? what's your requirements? and you're talking wheezy, yes? |
| 09:13.20 | Nik05 | right the linux kernel "firewall"... |
| 09:13.48 | junka | xarquid: yes wheezy, i know ufw is simple |
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| 09:14.03 | xarquid | yeah iptables / nftables.. |
| 09:14.03 | junka | but isn't it canonicals? |
| 09:14.07 | peetaur2 | shorewall is my favorite iptables frontend |
| 09:14.17 | xarquid | I thought Ubuntu used ufw gui |
| 09:14.21 | peetaur2 | hates ufw |
| 09:14.25 | junka | peetaur2: shorewall isn't recommended for servers? |
| 09:14.38 | peetaur2 | junka: shorewall is great for all |
| 09:14.53 | peetaur2 | junka: servers, routers, desktops, etc. |
| 09:15.13 | xarquid | They all do the same thing at the end of the day |
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| 09:15.29 | peetaur2 | mostly... iptables can do anything, but thingsl ike ufw are limited |
| 09:15.40 | xarquid | https://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls |
| 09:15.41 | xarquid | aye |
| 09:15.45 | junka | is shorewall simple? |
| 09:15.46 | petern_ | Yeah, I just use iptables and iptables-persistent |
| 09:15.59 | ppalmes | j testing/unstable |
| 09:16.03 | peetaur2 | shorewall has a few simple initial setup steps, but is very convenient compared to the rest, so I use it |
| 09:16.09 | petern_ | I'm only missing an equivalent to iptables-persistent for ipset |
| 09:16.42 | peetaur2 | junka: simple depends on the user... I think it's far simpler than raw iptables, and not much different than ufw (which has weird syntax and UI in my opinion). Skim through this and see. http://www.shorewall.net/two-interface.htm |
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| 09:18.38 | junka | thanks everyone |
| 09:18.43 | peetaur2 | junka: a basic setup just has one line in interfaces, a few lines in zones, 2 lines in policy, and then it's a blank firewall ready to go, and then add the rules in the rules file. |
| 09:19.16 | junka | peetaur2: thanks :) |
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| 09:27.57 | meek_geek | guys anyone has any tip for me ? I am about to install Windows 8.1 over Debian ( Dual Boot ) ? |
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| 09:28.49 | z8z | meek_geek: virtual machine? |
| 09:29.01 | meek_geek | z8z, Dual Boot |
| 09:30.08 | peetaur2 | meek_geek: I second the vote for a VM. And if you need games and have the right hardware, use GPU passthrough: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=162768 |
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| 09:30.42 | peetaur2 | otherwise, for dual boot, all you need is to decide who gets to do booting.... windows 2nd implies that windows does it. So therefore grub must be installed to partition, not whole disk. |
| 09:31.15 | z8z | meek_geek: and also with VM you can use both at the same time |
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| 09:31.36 | meek_geek | peetaur2, but how can i shrink the current disk on debian to free some space for linux ? |
| 09:31.40 | meek_geek | for Windows ? * |
| 09:31.40 | peetaur2 | with openSUSE, dual booting is intuitive... with radio buttons/checkboxes for choices. But debian just asks "install grub to the MBR?" Yes/No does no mean not to install grub at all? no idea! :D |
| 09:31.51 | meek_geek | z8z, my system is low powered |
| 09:31.58 | peetaur2 | but for dual boot, you want it on the partition (and either not MBR, or also MBR) |
| 09:32.18 | peetaur2 | meek_geek: it's not about the power... it's about hardware feature support for IOMMU |
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| 09:32.46 | meek_geek | anonymous_, |
| 09:32.50 | meek_geek | peetaur2, ok |
| 09:32.54 | peetaur2 | a VM cpu and memory only runs about 0-5% slower than the host, and disk is about 40% slower ... so it's not such a concern. |
| 09:33.05 | gdm85 | ruby-sass_3.3.4+really.3.2.19-3_all.deb |
| 09:33.07 | gdm85 | really?? |
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| 09:33.18 | gdm85 | who invented this? :P |
| 09:33.31 | meek_geek | peetaur2, agreed but i need to run a biometric device |
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| 09:34.33 | peetaur2 | meek_geek: if it's usb, or connected to a PCI[e] device, you can pass it through too (which is what you might do for mouse and keyboard) |
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| 09:35.48 | meek_geek | peetaur2, that device is not supported in linux so VM does not detect it at all |
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| 09:36.10 | peetaur2 | meek_geek: if you pass a thing through, it doens't matter what Linux supports |
| 09:36.22 | meek_geek | peetaur2, how to pass thru ? |
| 09:36.23 | peetaur2 | meek_geek: my onboard sound is badly supported in Linux for example, and I pass it through, and windows works fine with it |
| 09:36.36 | meek_geek | peetaur2, how to pass thru ? |
| 09:36.44 | peetaur2 | meek_geek: that link has an explanation for using vfio-pci and passing through with qemu command line |
| 09:36.48 | meek_geek | lsusb shows the device |
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| 09:37.09 | meek_geek | peetaur2, so you suggest qemu ? |
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| 09:37.19 | SynrGy | gdm85: this happens with versions that enter the archive and later need to be reverted |
| 09:37.49 | SynrGy | gdm85: to ensure that subsequent versions are always upgradable, and without resorting to ugly (and can never get rid of!) epoch #s in the version |
| 09:38.07 | SynrGy | gdm85: have a look at the changelog.Debian.gz where the 'really' suffix is introduced |
| 09:38.15 | peetaur2 | meek_geek: for passthrough, yes qemu with kvm |
| 09:38.21 | SynrGy | gdm85: and the bug# it references |
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| 09:39.42 | gdm85 | SynrGy: ah! didn't know about this. thanks for the explanation |
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| 09:40.02 | gdm85 | couldn't it be solved with a 'virtual' package? |
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| 09:40.53 | SynrGy | gdm85: it's a temporary hiccup. nothing so drastic is needed ... it will be worked out before next stable is released ... probably. |
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| 09:41.32 | SynrGy | gdm85: how would a 'virtual' package help anyway? afaik, such things cannot be versioned |
| 09:41.41 | ChrisH | One of my Debian boxes lost its IPv6 stuff, how do I remote force a reconfigure? |
| 09:41.52 | gdm85 | SynrGy: no idea, I do not know how it works internally and I always thought it's like an alias |
| 09:42.18 | SynrGy | gdm85: virtual packages are provided by 'Provides:' lines. they cannot be versioned |
| 09:42.33 | gdm85 | ah, makes sense |
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| 09:48.18 | louisdk | How do I list packages installed from a specific repository? |
| 09:48.43 | themill | dpkg: tell louisdk about which repo |
| 09:49.27 | tictacbum | Hi, looking the schema at http://www.opentelecoms.org/using-repro-with-asterisk-or-freeswitch I am wondering if IP phones can connect to asterisk instead of SIP proxy [newbie alert ;)] |
| 09:50.05 | petn-randall | tictacbum: Yes, asterisk can do SIP trunking, you can let your SIP phones log onto asterisk. |
| 09:50.06 | tictacbum | ups wrong channel sorry |
| 09:50.49 | tictacbum | petn-randall: thanks! |
| 09:52.55 | louisdk | themaill: I got no info from dpkg |
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| 09:59.38 | morfin | hello |
| 09:59.55 | morfin | is there a way to install vsftpd 3 except compiling my own? |
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| 10:00.04 | doev | I try using opencl with a nvidia-gfx, but there is only the CPU available as computing device. I already installe nvidia-opencl-common, what is wrong? |
| 10:00.07 | doev | any ideas? |
| 10:00.30 | doev | cuda for example is working fine. |
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| 10:03.24 | tictacbum | morfin: you can install it from testing repository |
| 10:04.02 | jelly | tictacbum, morfin: mixing newer packages into a stable system is never a good idea. Instead, you may try |
| 10:04.04 | jelly | !ssb |
| 10:04.04 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 10:04.57 | jelly | morfin: ^^ that's a recipe to make .deb packages out of newer debian sources |
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| 10:05.20 | jelly | ,checkbackport vsftpd |
| 10:05.31 | judd | Backporting package vsftpd in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy, virtual. |
| 10:05.51 | jelly | and the bot says there's a good chance the recipe might work |
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| 10:12.55 | nicon` | Hi, got some lame question about checkinstall.. How to pass two parameters to checkinstall? By default it's doing make install, but package I want to use got also second "make install" (-mod_tile). |
| 10:13.17 | nicon` | I could do this in two packages, but I don't like this idea too much. |
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| 10:15.00 | ikonia | using reprepro where is the default location of the distributions file |
| 10:15.34 | ikonia | eg: is the "conf" directory supposed to be in the root directory of where the reprepro is being run |
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| 10:17.36 | TJ- | ikonia: relative to the basedir, see https://wiki.debian.org/SettingUpSignedAptRepositoryWithReprepro#Configuring_reprepro |
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| 10:23.34 | ikonia | TJ-: nice, thanks |
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| 11:01.44 | ChrisH | One of my Debian boxes lost its IPv6 stuff, how do I remote force a reconfigure without rebooting it. ifdown/ifup is not that easy without remote-serial console at hand :) |
| 11:02.59 | ChrisH | Reason was a homemade poweroutage (wrong fuse switched off) causing another box to go down. |
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| 11:04.08 | OpenTokix | ChrisH: is the ipv6 autoconfigured? |
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| 11:05.23 | NCS_One | any tutorial on how to distribute partitions in 2 HDDs? |
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| 11:07.05 | OpenTokix | NCS_One: I would use lvm |
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| 11:15.32 | ChrisH | OpenTokix: I assume yes. Or I did not configure anything other then my IPv6 tunnel on my FritzBox and all Linux boxes showed an IPv6 address |
| 11:15.55 | OpenTokix | ChrisH: then you can disable and enable ipv6 |
| 11:16.39 | OpenTokix | ChrisH: net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1 |
| 11:16.48 | OpenTokix | ChrisH: will disable ipv6 altogether, then = 0 enable it again |
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| 11:19.17 | ChrisH | OpenTokix: tested... still only one with Scope:Link (looks like my IPv6 Tunnel provider on the FritzBox does not offer/propagate the information properly) |
| 11:19.29 | OpenTokix | ChrisH: how do you distribute it? |
| 11:19.33 | OpenTokix | radvd? |
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| 11:21.27 | elichai2 | Hey, I have a backup to all of my Debian files and I want to somehow get a list of all the packages installed there is it possible? |
| 11:21.49 | elichai2 | (I mean is there any list stored like that?) |
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| 11:22.04 | OpenTokix | elichai2: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 11:22.57 | elichai2 | No, I need to get it without dpkg |
| 11:23.05 | elichai2 | Because its not an installed system |
| 11:24.27 | OpenTokix | elichai2: /var/lib/dpkg/info <-- should get a pretty good idea |
| 11:24.55 | elichai2 | Thanks, I'll give it a look |
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| 11:25.17 | elichai2 | (I could use that info to restore the packages to my new system?) |
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| 11:25.50 | OpenTokix | elichai2: /var/lib/dpkg/status also |
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| 11:26.20 | elichai2 | OK.... |
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| 11:27.42 | ikus060 | Hello, I'm using debian jessie and I'm wondering if their is a web page with all the changes. |
| 11:27.53 | ikus060 | Like an RSS or a blog |
| 11:28.02 | iveevue | Why are you using Jessie? |
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| 11:28.48 | formorer | ikus060: https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-changes/ |
| 11:29.07 | SynrGy | ikus060: it's fine to use jessie, but it's supported on #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net |
| 11:29.27 | SynrGy | ikus060: it's recommended you read 'sid faq' in the channel topic |
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| 11:31.29 | Zorbas | hi |
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| 11:32.44 | elichai2 | So can I use info and status to reinstall all my old packages? |
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| 11:34.18 | Stummi | elichai2, just do the dpkg --get-selections in your chrooted system |
| 11:34.37 | Stummi | or use --root |
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| 11:43.19 | elichai22 | Hey, what directories in root are needed so I could chroot in to it? |
| 11:43.25 | n-st | hi, i appear to have a memory issue
htop reports 1691M of my 1993M of ram as used, but all processes combined don't seem to use anywhere near that amount of memory. i've also dropped all caches (echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches) to no avail. what else could be using all this memory? |
| 11:44.20 | ricepooding | n-st, have you seen www.linuxatemyram.com? |
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| 11:45.24 | n-st | ricepooding: yes, but that's about caches, right? the 1691M don't include caches and i've even cleared them to be sure, so it has to be something else
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| 11:45.42 | ricepooding | n-st, oh, pardon my ignorance, just saw the bit where you said you'd dropped caches -.- |
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| 11:46.30 | ricepooding | n-st, wait, the site says you can't disable disk caching...? |
| 11:47.05 | ricepooding | n-st, perhaps someone more experienced can enlighten us, I have no idea |
| 11:47.28 | n-st | thanks anyway :) |
| 11:47.53 | n-st | here's my current /proc/meminfo, maybe there'll be someone who can read more out of it than i can: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/075769cd/ |
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| 11:50.28 | abrotman | n-st: what's the output of free -m? |
| 11:51.06 | n-st | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/90d4d3a0/ |
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| 11:52.03 | abrotman | n-st: and how are you totally RAM usage in htop ? |
| 11:52.21 | abrotman | wow .. totalling |
| 11:52.58 | n-st | abrotman: "Mem:1993M used:1691M buffers:0M cache:61M" and the "MEM%" column of the process list (which is based on "RES", if i'm not mistaken) |
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| 11:53.16 | abrotman | don't they scroll off the end? |
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| 11:53.54 | n-st | i've got about two screens full of processes and threads using 0.1% of memory each |
| 11:54.18 | n-st | but that nowhere near the 1993M used in total |
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| 11:54.27 | n-st | s/that/that's/ |
| 11:54.27 | muhbot | n-st meant to say: but that's nowhere near the 1993M used in total |
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| 11:54.47 | n-st | oh, that's neat :) |
| 11:55.48 | n-st | i wonder if it understands regexes
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| 11:56.08 | n-st | s/i.+\sit// |
| 11:56.56 | ChrisH | OpenTokix: I have no idea how the IPv6 stuff gets distributed. Fritzbox opens the Tunnel and an old-old-stable box picks it up, wheezy does not. old-old-stable was rebooted yesterday. |
| 11:57.02 | dym | Hey! I have a problem: Im running a vm with 2 interfaces. when pinging the ip von eth1 the reply gets send through eth0 instead of eth1. What could cause this? |
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| 11:57.32 | TJ- | dym: You need policy routing; told you last night! |
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| 11:58.07 | dym | TJ-: im still unsure why i'd need policy routing now, when everysthing worked until a few days agi |
| 11:58.10 | dym | ago |
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| 11:59.57 | TJ- | dym: "everything" ? |
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| 12:00.30 | TJ- | dym: A reply will always leave by the most appropriate route, so if there is only one default route and no better specific route, it'll take the default route |
| 12:00.32 | dym | TJ-: This scenario worked perfectly until a few days ago. i could reach all ip addresses on eth1 |
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| 12:00.42 | Resilience | hello to everyone |
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| 12:02.01 | Resilience | I like to get rid off of systemd of my system, so I am going to install sysvinit-core, and then it unistalls in my machine the gnome packages, including the gdm3, so I need a new x session manager, which should do I choose? I'm not running kde, maybe xfce, lxde or enlightenment |
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| 12:03.19 | Stummi | Resilience, xfce and lxde are good if you want a simmilar replacement for gnome. |
| 12:03.48 | Resilience | Stummi, I want something like gnome, but withoput the crazy anti-unixy of the latter times |
| 12:04.09 | Stummi | sounds like xfce |
| 12:04.15 | Resilience | Stummi, but, waht x sessionmanager should I choose? I was thinking of using again xdm |
| 12:04.21 | ChrisH | dym: can you show /sbin/ifconfig -a ; netstat -rn ; ip route get $IP on paste.debian.net please. Replace IP with the Source IP you ping from. |
| 12:04.32 | Stummi | Resilience, no idea. I am on nodm here :) |
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| 12:04.56 | Resilience | Stummi, what's nodm? |
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| 12:05.19 | Stummi | an dm which just starts your xsession without the login window first |
| 12:05.33 | abrotman | Resilience: LXDE and slim |
| 12:05.43 | boratynskikamil_ | Dear all, suggestion how to solve Input/Output error in GlusterFS? |
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| 12:06.11 | Resilience | Stummi, ah, an xsession starter, but no manager, right? |
| 12:06.12 | dym | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/nRd9Gf7h |
| 12:06.18 | Stummi | Resilience, yeah |
| 12:06.22 | Resilience | abrotman, slim? that's a session manager? |
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| 12:06.54 | abrotman | Resilience: yes, very small one |
| 12:07.00 | abrotman | judd: info slim --release wheezy |
| 12:07.01 | judd | Package slim (x11, optional) in wheezy/i386: desktop-independent graphical login manager for X11. Version: 1.3.4-2; Size: 1193.4k; Installed: 1488k; Homepage: http://slim.berlios.de/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/slim |
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| 12:08.43 | Resilience | abrotman, mmm did not know abot slim, seeems all right, better this one than xdm? |
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| 12:09.50 | abrotman | Resilience: it's "prettier" ? :) |
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| 12:11.19 | jelly | lightdm? |
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| 12:11.53 | abrotman | That's another one |
| 12:12.11 | Resilience | abrotman, hahaha you made me laugh man ;D |
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| 12:12.38 | Resilience | yesterday I found in wikipedia a page with a list of session manager but today I'm not able to recover it ;( |
| 12:14.51 | abrotman | Resilience: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_display_manager_(program_type)#Some_implementations that? |
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| 12:15.38 | Resilience | abrotman, yes, that was the page... man, you're a machine, my god... |
| 12:15.41 | dym | ChrisH? |
| 12:15.52 | abrotman | The googs, they are hard |
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| 12:17.11 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sebastian__ about firmware images |
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| 12:22.23 | sebastian__ | will firmware-7.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso come with drivers such as iwlwifi by default, or will the "sources.list" just be configured to allow me to install drivers through the terminal? |
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| 12:24.05 | formorer | the first |
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| 12:24.33 | ChrisH | dym: line 79 explains it, default GW is via eth0. That explains what you observ. |
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| 12:26.14 | dym | ChrisH: The thing is. I just tried sourcebased routing |
| 12:26.15 | dym | but |
| 12:26.16 | dym | ip route add default via 144.76.99.140 dev eth1 table rt1 |
| 12:26.19 | dym | results in an error |
| 12:26.30 | dym | ( the table exists ) |
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| 12:26.38 | jelly | sebastian__: the installation image itself contains firmware. However I _think_ /etc/apt/sources.list needs to be manually updated after installation to include contrib and non-free bits |
| 12:26.55 | jelly | (and to keep them up-to-date) |
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| 12:30.40 | sebastian__ | Okay thank you. Ill attempt to install with the iso file, that contains firmware already :-) |
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| 12:39.40 | n-st | abrotman: sorry for the interruption, do you have any idea about my memory problem? |
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| 12:40.19 | abrotman | n-st: I wouldn't say it's a problem :) |
| 12:40.56 | n-st | well, it's causing the system to swap a lot, even with vm.swappiness=1, which really isn't fun :/ |
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| 12:41.00 | ChrisH | dym: What is the problem with the current situation? |
| 12:41.13 | abrotman | n-st: can you put the htop output in a pastebin ? |
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| 12:43.49 | n-st | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c886222c/ |
| 12:44.09 | abrotman | n-st: you realize you're 'hiding' it, and then pasting the URL in a public channel? :) |
| 12:44.13 | dym | ChrisH: I run a vm with 2 interfaces and a lot of virtual interfaces on the second if. I cannot reach any of the ip adresses (running apache) on the second interfaces. Debugging this with tcpdump lead me to the point where i pinged an ip on one of eth1:X's interfaces and got no reply. seeking further showed that the ping was received on eth1:x but replied to from eth0. |
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| 12:44.27 | n-st | abrotman: yes :) |
| 12:44.50 | abrotman | n-st: is that sorted by memory usage? |
| 12:44.57 | n-st | abrotman: yes |
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| 12:45.47 | n-st | and about three quarters of a page have been cut off |
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| 12:48.19 | engblom` | Has anyone else encountered the grub breakage when upgrading wheezy through unattended upgrades? I am seeing a lot of laptops breaking at this moment. They are even different brands (Dell and Lenovo) |
| 12:48.48 | engblom` | Some will complain that the ramdisk is missing, other drop just to a grub shell |
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| 12:49.22 | engblom` | I need to find the reason this is happening or I will end up repairing grub in 110+ computers |
| 12:50.04 | ChrisH | dym: you need to fix that on the Host or the routing behind. Or switch the default gw |
| 12:50.27 | dym | ChrisH: mhh? the host? |
| 12:50.33 | dym | AS in the host of the virtual machine? |
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| 12:52.59 | dym | ChrisH: it's all well. it passes the correct interfaces and everything. |
| 12:53.13 | dym | when i ping the ip from the host things are fine |
| 12:53.24 | dym | but as soon as i try to reach it from outside, things get odd |
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| 12:53.43 | muvbit | hey guys, i'm working on conversions from ifup to networkmanager on our autoinstalled servers, however, i can't find a way how to persuade network-manager to read/load/register a manually created profile store in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ ... anyone has experience with this? |
| 12:54.23 | dym | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/sjNmzmpg |
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| 12:56.37 | ChrisH | dym: confirms your previous pasting. 0.0.0.0/default gets routed via eth0 |
| 12:56.49 | petn-randall | muvbit: nm checks for devices configured with ifup and excludes them, just FYI. |
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| 12:56.54 | ikonia | is apt-mirror still considered a "current" way or mirroring deb repos or is there more drive to move to reprepro |
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| 12:58.10 | dym | ChrisH: but why does the icmp packet even go through eth0? |
| 12:58.19 | dym | and why cant i set this source based gateway? |
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| 12:58.27 | abrotman | ikonia: do you actually need a full mirror? |
| 12:58.44 | muvbit | @petn-randall: i'm aware of this, i've only loopback configured in ifup (interfaces file) |
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| 13:00.40 | ikonia | abrotman: define full - eg: stable{/main/updates/contrib/etc} |
| 13:01.47 | abrotman | ikonia: could an apt-proxy suffice? |
| 13:02.13 | ikonia | sadly not in this case |
| 13:02.17 | ikonia | but I see what you are asking now |
| 13:02.31 | petn-randall | ikonia: Total mirror is about 950 GB, so you probably have to tell us what you want to achieve. |
| 13:02.41 | ikonia | define total mirror |
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| 13:03.08 | petn-randall | ikonia: https://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 13:03.27 | bremner | for starters, how many architectures do you need/want? |
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| 13:03.37 | ikonia | ok, I see what you're asking now |
| 13:03.44 | ikonia | sorry wasn't clear what you meant by "full mirror" |
| 13:04.08 | ikonia | I'm going to pull down source/amd64 for Lenny and Wheezy and maybe Jessie to a local host |
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| 13:04.22 | ikonia | I may include i386 but doubtful |
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| 13:07.21 | petn-randall | ikonia: Again, what do you need a full mirror for? |
| 13:08.15 | ikonia | for large scale deployment and updates to a reasonable size estate |
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| 13:09.08 | abrotman | is pretty sure a proxy works there |
| 13:09.21 | ikonia | abrotman: maybe my definition of the apt-proxy is wrong, |
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| 13:09.34 | ikonia | abrotman: please explain |
| 13:09.45 | petn-randall | I'd go with a proxy, too. No need to sync 95% of the packages you won't use anyway. |
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| 13:10.02 | ikonia | why will I not use %95 of the packages |
| 13:10.13 | abrotman | ikonia: proxy downloads packages, you point systems at proxy, they download as needed |
| 13:10.19 | ikonia | the estate has quite a wide range of functions |
| 13:10.29 | abrotman | dpkg: debstats stable |
| 13:10.30 | dpkg | i don't know, abrotman |
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| 13:10.34 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 13:10.35 | ChrisH | dym: why: (once more) line 79 explains it, default GW is via eth0. That explains what you observ. Why not: I have no idea. sorry. From my understanding it needs to be fixed on the VM hosting Host and/or the Network router behind the VM hosting host. |
| 13:10.36 | abrotman | wrong thing |
| 13:10.39 | abrotman | dpkg: dstats stable |
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| 13:10.49 | ikonia | abrotman: that may not work as this will only get interenet access at specific times to sync, |
| 13:10.59 | ikonia | abrotman: I'll need to ponder if that will work with the restrictions |
| 13:11.04 | abrotman | eh ... |
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| 13:11.57 | ikonia | if I request a package that's not on the proxy while the host does not have internet access it won't be able to get the package for the request |
| 13:12.09 | petn-randall | ikonia: Wheezy comes with ~ 36,000 packages, on a typical server installation I have 1k to 2k packages installed. If you have intermittent internet access, this will complicate your setup even more. |
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| 13:12.42 | ikonia | why will this complicate my setup |
| 13:12.54 | ikonia | I'd just do syncs in the time I have the access open |
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| 13:15.41 | petn-randall | ikonia: In what way do you only have intermittent internet access? |
| 13:16.07 | ikonia | a restricted network which will only allow access at certain times |
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| 13:16.30 | DammitJim | I have a samba mount |
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| 13:16.49 | DammitJim | and I think it is currently broken... I went to the mounted directory and did an ls and it hung |
| 13:16.51 | petn-randall | ikonia: Oh well, you'll figure it out, good luck. |
| 13:16.53 | DammitJim | how do I get my terminal back? |
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| 13:17.36 | ikonia | petn-randall: hence why I was looking at a normal mirror setup |
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| 13:18.05 | ikonia | but as I'm a bit rusty I didn't know if apt-mirror was still considered current as all the docs seem to point at rerepro |
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| 13:19.30 | petn-randall | ikonia: In prose, explain what you mean with intermittent internet access. Do you still run dialup? Are you traveling with a laptop? How much bandwidth do you have? |
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| 13:24.59 | ikonia | petn-randall: I'm on a secure network which will only allow the update host a certain window of time which is signed off as "risk accectped" |
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| 13:27.00 | petn-randall | ikonia: That actually *increases* the security risk since it allows for many DNS/TCP attacks that depend on timing. |
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| 13:27.49 | ikonia | petn-randall: I'm not in the security chair |
| 13:27.51 | ikonia | this is not my site |
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| 13:30.13 | andre_ | Guy, I have a problem to acess outlook and facebook for debian and ubuntu. |
| 13:30.26 | andre_ | With Windows and Slackware works. |
| 13:30.45 | andre_ | Do you know any idea what the problem? |
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| 13:37.28 | petn-randall | andre_: What problem do you get? |
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| 13:48.11 | ikonia | petn-randall: negotiated more open access so an apt proxy will be fine, |
| 13:48.14 | ikonia | thank you for the suggestion |
| 13:48.17 | Zzeiss | I'm trying to get file sending going between my phone (android Droid3) and a Debian Wheezy laptop. The phone and computer pair just fine- but then will NOT connect! When I try to push or pull a file, I get "file not sent". |
| 13:48.23 | Zzeiss | Any suggestions? |
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| 13:49.54 | petn-randall | ikonia: Yeah, that's a lot better idea. The security admins can still restrict outgoing TCP connections to HTTP to the upstream mirrors. |
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| 13:56.10 | furryhead | hey guys need some help installing debian |
| 13:56.16 | angs | how can I set sourcelists to default on debian 7? |
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| 13:57.35 | furryhead | when I boot debian up, it boots into 686-pae kernel. i run the installer, it tries to install a 486 kernel and doesn't let me proceed. Is there a way to fix this? |
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| 13:57.42 | furryhead | or an alternate way to install? |
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| 13:59.50 | jaybe | angs, what are you talking about? apt sources? |
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| 14:00.29 | angs | jaybe, yes |
| 14:00.45 | jaybe | angs, did you delete your originally-installed sources.list or something? |
| 14:01.30 | angs | I copied the source list from here http://linuxconfig.org/debian-apt-get-wheezy-sources-list#h43-sweden-mirror does debian.org wrong? |
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| 14:01.36 | angs | should it be debian.net? |
| 14:01.41 | babilen | angs: http://paste.debian.net/113954 is a reasonable one to use on wheezy |
| 14:02.40 | babilen | angs: And no, in that example debian.org is correct, but you would miss out on a lot if you were only using that. |
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| 14:03.39 | angs | babilen, I copied the source list that you linked. when I run apt-get update, it outputs "Could not resolve 'security.debian.org'" |
| 14:03.49 | angs | is it a dns problem? |
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| 14:04.33 | babilen | angs: Looks like it. |
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| 14:07.12 | jaybe | angs, ensure you'r /etc/resolv.conf is properly providing your providers dns servers |
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| 14:08.08 | angs | it was the dns problem, thank you jaybe and babilen |
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| 14:09.11 | jaybe | angs, great; welcome |
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| 14:14.39 | ChrisH | I am just playing around with RHEL 7 and eth0 gets renamed to ens192. Question 1: Why is that done? Question 2 (more important to me): Is this renaming expected to happen on Debian too? |
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| 14:16.52 | daemonkeeper | ChrisH: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SystemdPredictableNetworkInterfaceNames |
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| 14:20.40 | bitgeek | I have two optical drives (BR and DVD), in /media I see cdrom0 and cdrom1. How can I tell which is which please? |
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| 14:24.21 | Zzeiss | I'm trying to get photos from my phone onto my laptop via bluetooth. They pair together, but won't connect. Any ideas? (trying to send a photo or such yields "sending"... and then "file whatever.jpg not sent" |
| 14:25.10 | ChrisH | daemonkeeper: Thanks that answers Q1 and does that means I need to prepare it will be in Debian sometime [tm]? |
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| 14:26.11 | daemonkeeper | Maybe, maybe not. |
| 14:26.35 | daemonkeeper | I don't know the plans on that of the systemd/udev people in Debian. |
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| 14:28.01 | ChrisH | daemonkeeper: thanks |
| 14:30.28 | Zzeiss | It just won't stay connected. |
| 14:30.41 | jhutchins | bitgeek: Toss a disk in one of 'em, look at dmesg. |
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| 14:32.37 | jhutchins | ChrisH: We hit that with RHEL6 and multi-NIC servers, I think we can expect it to come to Debian with upstream projects like the kernel. |
| 14:32.59 | jhutchins | ChrisH: Although it is actually udev that names the interfaces now. |
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| 14:33.58 | jhutchins | Zzeiss: I have a camera that does that over USB - I just put the SD card in a different device. |
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| 14:35.45 | bitgeek | jhutchins: I can't find it in that file, but ls'ing about I found `ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ata-HL-DT-ST_BD-RE_BH16NS40_K96D57B4459`. Thanks |
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| 14:36.02 | ChrisH | jhutchins: I am just preparing kickstart installation using RHEL7 on Sun Hardware 2 or 3 times Quad-NIC Cards in :) ... So it's more predictible now :) But we are getting off-topic :) |
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| 14:39.21 | Zzeiss | jhutchins: the problem is that I don't have a microSD reader here. |
| 14:41.12 | Zzeiss | Gonna try power-cycling the phone to see if that helps. Already rebooted... |
| 14:41.21 | skribblezatcha | good morning. |
| 14:41.22 | ChrisH | Zzeiss: BT stacks did show up not beeing stable with large file transfers and even lock up pretty easy completly or partly. powercycling both devices sometimes helps |
| 14:41.46 | Zzeiss | (silly, it pairs, then the connection drops, and no idea why. Did motorola or Verizon intentionally braindamage their BT stacks?) |
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| 14:43.42 | ChrisH | Zzeiss: Cant you push it via WLAN somewhere? Dropbox, google drive, local samba (assuming yor photo is a mobile phone) |
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| 14:45.14 | Zzeiss | ChrisH: That's a workaround.... emailing it up to Yahoo and then back down. But bleah.... this ought to work. |
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| 14:47.51 | lostNick | I could not find what port the x11vnc is running on. my vnc client report that it could not find what port the server is running on. it was not the problem 2 days ago. what i should do? |
| 14:49.08 | jaybe | lostNick, `netstat -aW --programs | grep -i vnx |
| 14:49.10 | Zzeiss | Hmmm.... just paired the laptop with my Nexus 7 running Cyanogenmod. Same behavior- it pairs, but will not stay connected. Any ideas? |
| 14:49.22 | jaybe | s/vnx/vnc/ |
| 14:49.23 | muhbot | jaybe meant to say: lostNick, `netstat -aW --programs | grep -i vnc |
| 14:49.32 | jaybe | well isn't that fancy |
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| 14:49.50 | lostNick | jaybe thanks, let me try please |
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| 14:52.02 | ChrisH | Zzeiss: I use either nautlius on testing and MTP Mode or the WLAN upload/download option... mosttimes much faster then BT |
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| 14:52.25 | Zzeiss | MTP mode? Gotta look that one up. |
| 14:52.55 | Zzeiss | Ahh, got an error from the Debian box, and I screenshotted it. |
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| 14:54.50 | Zzeiss | ChrisH: What package/command do you use for mtp on Debian? |
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| 15:03.58 | ChrisH | Zzeiss: It does not work wirh stable, but for testing and nautilis its fine, out of the box |
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| 15:13.12 | ToApolytoXaos | guys, i have installed all necessary wxGTK packages, but i can't compile static binaries. is anyone aware of this issue? cheers |
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| 15:45.36 | piksi | hi, could someone point me to the right direction on how to enable specific pam auth module per user basis? |
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| 16:02.33 | nf7 | I'm running stable (Wheezy) right now. When Jessie becomes stable, will I automatically have Jessie? Or do you have to reinstall with the new version. |
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| 16:03.29 | jaybe | nf7, you have the option to upgrade the distribution |
| 16:03.41 | nkuttler | nf7: do you have wheezy or stable in your sources.list? |
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| 16:05.20 | nf7 | nkuttler: Let me check. |
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| 16:06.31 | nf7 | nkuttler: This is what I have: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Nerssi-92/e7ae7996596e943cf98d/raw/2d1b6aeb9e745d334a4032a02e45dc24db93d52a/sources.list |
| 16:06.46 | petn-randall | nf7: As a rule of thumb, you should always have the release name e.g. "wheezy" in there, and not "stable". Otherwise you'll get a surprise upgrade when jessie gets released. |
| 16:06.56 | nkuttler | nf7: start by replacing stable with wheezy |
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| 16:07.17 | nkuttler | nf7: then, when jessie is released, you can upgrade to it whenever you *want* to |
| 16:07.41 | nf7 | nkuttler: Ok I see. So I should just change all instances of the word "stable" with "wheezy"? |
| 16:07.42 | nkuttler | so no, you don't have to reinstall |
| 16:07.46 | nkuttler | nf7: yes |
| 16:07.49 | nf7 | petn-randall: Thanks for the advice. |
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| 16:08.53 | jaybe | nf7, then when you're ready to upgrade the distribution, you can explore: `apt-get -s dist-upgrade` |
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| 16:10.53 | nf7 | jaybe: Thanks. And that will upgrade all the software on the system to the versions on Jessie (like Gnome, etc). |
| 16:10.56 | nf7 | ? |
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| 16:14.00 | nkuttler | nf7: always read the release notes before upgrading though |
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| 16:15.24 | nf7 | nkuttler: Of course. |
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| 16:22.02 | jaybe | nf7, the 'dist-upgrade' option of `apt-get` provides for upgrading from one version to another, yes - in one fell swoop. obviously - *DANGER*/read/be careful/smart/backups |
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| 16:22.29 | jaybe | nf7, the '-s' option in included represents -s(imulate) ... which would only show you what will be done. `man apt-get` |
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| 16:27.57 | jhutchins | Note that the upgrade procedure is significantly different from what Ubuntu uses. |
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| 16:29.15 | jhutchins | Zzeiss: What I actually use is my video camera (as an SD reader). |
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| 17:06.34 | tikun | the last two days my debian server has become unresponsive, luckily enough I had a ssh connection to it and got this info http://pastebin.com/rDm0k5Jz anyone see this before? |
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| 17:09.04 | jhutchins | tikun: Do you have smartmontools running? |
| 17:09.22 | tikun | I don't |
| 17:09.36 | tikun | never mind, I do |
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| 17:10.24 | jhutchins | /var/log/syslog would probably show errors. The first thing I would do would be to boot to a live CD or USB, then start checking the disk. It is either corrupt/failing or hacked. |
| 17:10.53 | tikun | lovely |
| 17:12.47 | tikun | could a secondary hard drive cause this? the machine in question has a 160gb primary drive and a 500gb secondary |
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| 17:14.39 | jhutchins | tikun: I can't imagine how it could influence it. The segfault for df is significant, it found it, tried to run it, crashed. |
| 17:15.07 | tikun | ok, cool, thanks for the info |
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| 17:18.04 | jhutchins | tikun: Good luck. |
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| 17:20.46 | vlt | tikun: It's not completely impossible that a second drive is so defective that it corrupts the data on the whatever bus. But seems unlikely. |
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| 17:25.56 | WhiteC3PO | hey when I install a program where is it installed to? |
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| 17:26.22 | ompaul | WhiteC3PO: that depends |
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| 17:26.45 | ompaul | WhiteC3PO: /bin/ /usr/bin /sbin/ and other various places |
| 17:27.19 | WhiteC3PO | cause I installed weechat and when I write "weechat" in my terminal it says command not found, It seems like it installed but then it should open when I type weechat |
| 17:27.21 | ompaul | with config files in all sorts of places sometimes your own personal ones, sometimes system way |
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| 17:27.50 | ompaul | WhiteC3PO: starting at the beginning what version of debian, and where did you get your weechat from to install it? |
| 17:27.57 | ompaul | ,v weechat |
| 17:27.58 | judd | Package: weechat on i386 -- squeeze: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 0.4.3-2~bpo70+1; sid: 0.4.3-2; jessie: 0.4.3-4; sid: 0.4.3-4 |
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| 17:28.36 | Chrys0pr1s3 | Hi, how can I get aapt for debian, can't find it anywhere in the repository |
| 17:29.36 | ompaul | Chrys0pr1s3: aapt? - what version of debian? |
| 17:29.50 | Chrys0pr1s3 | latest stable |
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| 17:30.04 | WhiteC3PO | Kali Linux 1.0.7 is what's written in my debian_version file, I got weechat from apt-get install weechat |
| 17:30.11 | ompaul | and what is this aapt |
| 17:30.18 | ompaul | !kali |
| 17:30.18 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 17:30.34 | Chrys0pr1s3 | ompaul: it's to read android packages |
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| 17:30.40 | ompaul | WhiteC3PO: # just click on that link please |
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| 17:30.54 | ompaul | Chrys0pr1s3: and where else did you find it? |
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| 17:31.14 | Chrys0pr1s3 | it's supposed to come with android-sdk |
| 17:31.26 | WhiteC3PO | Ok i'll go to the irc thx |
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| 17:32.02 | ompaul | Chrys0pr1s3: does it have a different name ... in android-tools check apt-cache search apt |
| 17:32.06 | ompaul | sorry |
| 17:32.15 | ompaul | Chrys0pr1s3: check apt-cache search android |
| 17:32.22 | ompaul | you might find something else that has it |
| 17:32.33 | Chrys0pr1s3 | ompaul: already tried apt-file search android |
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| 17:33.59 | jkw | WhiteC3PO: ls /usr/bin | grep weechat |
| 17:34.11 | Chrys0pr1s3 | ompaul: maybe you can figure something from this http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/android-tools-devel/Week-of-Mon-20131104/000004.html |
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| 17:35.28 | WhiteC3PO | output: weechat-curses |
| 17:35.29 | ompaul | jkw: who knows what kali did |
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| 17:37.52 | WhiteC3PO | in normal debian would simply writing weechat in the terminal supose to work? |
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| 17:38.38 | LtL | WhiteC3PO: no, type weechat-curses |
| 17:38.53 | WhiteC3PO | ha Ltl bravo! |
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| 17:39.06 | jkw | WhiteC3PO: I run Debian. And typing this from weechat. weechat is installed in /usr/bin |
| 17:39.30 | jkw | ompaul: I don't know, not "our" headache, really. :-) |
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| 17:39.47 | ompaul | jkw: not in the slightest |
| 17:40.15 | ompaul | WhiteC3PO: you just got hit with Kali != Debian |
| 17:40.15 | littlebit | hi people, I tried to install phpmyadmin but when I go to localhost/phpmyadmin |
| 17:40.30 | ompaul | are you running a http server? |
| 17:40.32 | littlebit | I only get java code to see |
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| 17:40.44 | ompaul | ,v phpmyadmin |
| 17:40.45 | judd | Package: phpmyadmin on i386 -- squeeze: 4:3.3.7-7; squeeze-security: 4:3.3.7-7; squeeze-security-lts: 4:3.3.7-8; wheezy: 4:3.4.11.1-2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4:3.4.11.1-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4:3.4.11.1-2+deb7u1; jessie: 4:4.2.6-1; sid: 4:4.2.6-1 |
| 17:41.05 | ompaul | littlebit: how did you try to install it? |
| 17:41.23 | littlebit | ompaul: via "apt-get install" |
| 17:41.50 | ompaul | are you running a http server? |
| 17:42.08 | littlebit | yes |
| 17:42.13 | littlebit | apache2 |
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| 17:44.24 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.01 | ompaul | littlebit: then again maybe it is as easy as the first one says |
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| 17:45.11 | littlebit | ompaul: ok I'll check the second link |
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| 17:45.57 | WhiteC3PO | dpkg: how can kali be based on debian without being debian? |
| 17:45.58 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, WhiteC3PO |
| 17:46.15 | WhiteC3PO | lol ok |
| 17:46.15 | ompaul | WhiteC3PO: if it was the same thing - it wouldn't have a different name |
| 17:46.39 | ompaul | WhiteC3PO: therefore it is reasonable to expect it to have a delta |
| 17:46.51 | ompaul | WhiteC3PO: that delta is not known here |
| 17:47.44 | WhiteC3PO | by delta you mean "a part of it"? |
| 17:47.57 | WhiteC3PO | which is different |
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| 17:49.32 | ompaul | no |
| 17:49.39 | ompaul | by delta - a change from debian |
| 17:49.55 | ompaul | it is not reasonable to expect people here to know what the delta is |
| 17:50.12 | ompaul | we may not even know debian with 30k + packages |
| 17:50.30 | ompaul | but you saw your setup was different |
| 17:50.37 | ompaul | you got this -curses version |
| 17:50.39 | ompaul | we could install that |
| 17:50.49 | ompaul | but you did apt-get install weechat according to yourself |
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| 17:50.58 | WhiteC3PO | yes |
| 17:51.20 | ompaul | anyway this is offtopic - kali is not debian they choose to do it differently and we don't provide support for it you can see why - it is not debian |
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| 17:53.34 | littlebit | ompaul: sry but I still get the same result |
| 17:54.00 | littlebit | ompaul: and I tried even the first link |
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| 17:58.37 | Amphibian | hello; is there a method by which I can gpg verify .deb packages that are not sourced via apt? |
| 17:58.47 | vook | I have a license server which contains two network interfaces, each of which having a unique IP address on the same network subnet. How could I force an NFS mount to go over a certain interface or IP address. One of the interfaces is periodically brought down for an MAC address change. |
| 17:58.50 | Amphibian | use case: installing a nonfree driver deb |
| 17:59.21 | Amphibian | (if downloaded from official repository, they are signed, however, a machine with no network connection cannot get via apt, so another machine has to obtain the package and forward it to them) |
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| 18:00.07 | vook | I have netgroups enabled for only one of the interfaces. I get access denied during mount unless I bring one of the interfaces down. |
| 18:00.46 | vlt | Amphibian: I *think* if you provide the .deb packages to /var/cache/apt/archives/ they will be cerified and used by apt. |
| 18:00.56 | vlt | *verified |
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| 18:02.02 | Amphibian | vlt: i'm not sure exactly how the verification is accomplished; is it that a list of hashes or sigs are provided with 'apt-get update' lists? |
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| 18:02.27 | Amphibian | the offline machine won't have the nonfree repository at all for example |
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| 18:07.01 | vlt | Amphibian: I don't know either. I just remember that I once was able to copy .deb files to an offline machine's apt cache and then simply install it. There were no verification problems. The signing keys should be available right after installing Debian. |
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| 18:08.23 | Amphibian | ah there is a section on the wiki that details this. 'SecureApt'. |
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| 18:17.16 | vaxerdec | hello, is there a way to instruct the apt system to always install source and debug packages any time a deb is installed and its corresponding src and dbg are available? |
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| 18:24.13 | doev | there is a bug in the opencl-headers 1.2, when I downgrade to version 1.1 manually it is working. How do I downgrade in a clean way? |
| 18:24.37 | doev | deinstall the headers and use a local dir for the headers? |
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| 18:28.21 | vaxerdec | doev: do you want the headers system-wide or not? |
| 18:28.31 | vaxerdec | doev: or just trying to get it build? |
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| 18:31.26 | doev | valerius, I manually move /usr/include/CL to another position and placed the 1.1 headers in /usr/include/CL, the example app builds with that trick. But I want it clean. No matter if I install it global or local for a project. |
| 18:32.03 | vaxerdec | doev: you want what clean? the system? the build? its placement into the system after building? |
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| 18:32.28 | vaxerdec | doev: depending on how well you need to have it integrated you will have to take more invasive approaches |
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| 18:33.24 | doev | valerius, a clean solution ... means, I don't want to end in a unstable system or broken packages. |
| 18:33.31 | doev | sorry vaxerdec |
| 18:33.34 | vaxerdec | doev: if you just have something you want to run in /usr/local/ or something just build it yourself and copy it there, nevermind installing headers or the binary permananetly in the system dirs. suitable for one-off or if you carry some bag of /usr/locals |
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| 18:34.27 | vaxerdec | doev: just one system? many systems? reproducible? programmatically done? how much do you need to automate? what are you trying to get to work and how "clean" is enough for your purposes? |
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| 18:36.18 | doev | vaxerdec, thx, moving all headers to /usr/local/include/CL and deinstalling the 1.2 headers works perfect. |
| 18:36.58 | doev | only a metapackage was deinstalled with the 1.2 headers. |
| 18:37.12 | vaxerdec | doev: it sounds like you don't need to keep the headers around, you just getting it to build, you could have just pointed the build there using configure flags or environment |
| 18:37.55 | doev | vaxerdec, yes, I keep that in mind. I am not very deep into c++ and the build process. |
| 18:38.35 | vaxerdec | doev: headers are mostly only useful for building things (or just to reference) |
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| 18:38.55 | doev | vaxerdec, you mean telling the compiler to look first in /usr/local/include before in /usr/include ? |
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| 18:39.33 | vaxerdec | doev: once built they can be discarded. if you are doing your own build of things that don't match the system-headers (the ones from -dev package for a library) you can install your own in /usr/local/lib if you build frequently, or maybe just have a build and point the configure script to that, without ever installing it |
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| 18:40.07 | vaxerdec | doev: (the shared library which the header corresponds to) |
| 18:40.46 | vaxerdec | doev: the compiler has some paths it will look by default, but the build is what specifies the default environment the compiler gets. so it would be in the Makefile, etc |
| 18:41.34 | vaxerdec | doev: you can override the defaults for where it will look using environment variables that will influence the build, or using flags to the configure script used to prepare the build (on the command line) |
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| 18:42.05 | vaxerdec | doev: in either case you are really influencing the actions of 'make' |
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| 18:45.39 | vaxerdec | doev: i would suggest though that if there is some problem with the latest system-provided header, a better action would be to fix the codebase to work with the system version and not be maintaining your own stuff |
| 18:46.16 | vaxerdec | doev: in your case, you might make the codebase build with 1.2, so you can leave your system with that version |
| 18:46.27 | doev | vaxerdec, the problem is this bug: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=131077 |
| 18:46.47 | doev | its the same as for arch and the solution works on wheezy to. |
| 18:47.23 | doev | the lib the binary is linked to is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libOpenCL.so.1 |
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| 18:48.34 | doev | Tomorrow I will looking for a solution, that solves all by staying in the project folder with no change on the system. |
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| 18:49.18 | doev | wait, ... maybe the solution is not hard to find |
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| 18:50.00 | doev | first I delete the 1.1 headers from /usr/local/include and reinstall the 1.2 headers |
| 18:50.21 | doev | than I try to use headers places in the project folder. |
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| 18:50.58 | {g} | Hello! After an "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade", checkrestart tells me evolution-alarm-notify and evolution-calendar-factory are using old versions of updated files. Since I do not use evolution, is the right way to get rid of them "apt-get purge evolution"? |
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| 18:53.27 | vaxerdec | doev: that bug is from 2011? |
| 18:53.33 | {g} | Or will that remove gnome and everything? |
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| 18:54.16 | ompaul | {g}: what version are you running>? |
| 18:54.23 | vaxerdec | doev: i don't know about that project but some binary you have which links to /usr/lib but the system has the wrong headers that don't match it sounds wrong to me, those are built and installed from the same place, their own headers would have to be wrong |
| 18:54.33 | {g} | ompaul: how do i find out? |
| 18:54.35 | ompaul | {g}: that shouldn't happen in stable |
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| 18:55.22 | ompaul | {g}: apt-cache policy evolution put that in http://paste.debian.net saves on spam and other problems |
| 18:55.41 | ompaul | {g}: put it all in there please |
| 18:56.00 | vaxerdec | doev: looks like the c++ headers were not updated to match the c interface from the library. so indeed its own headers are broken (it doesn't need them to build itself) |
| 18:56.34 | vaxerdec | doev: the article suggests also changing the source file to include .h instead of .hpp |
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| 18:57.06 | {g} | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/114027/ |
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| 18:57.44 | ompaul | {g}: apt-cache policy evolution <<<<<<<< |
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| 18:58.42 | {g} | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/114028/ |
| 18:58.48 | piets | can anyone here download youtube videos? Tools such as clive don't seem to work anymore; I guess google kindly changed the API or something... |
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| 18:59.16 | doev | vaxerdec, there are also 2.0 headers now. Maybe I can use them |
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| 18:59.23 | {g} | piets: http://convert2mp3.net/ |
| 18:59.57 | MY123 | piets: The API has been changed since a threat ago. |
| 19:00.00 | ompaul | {g}: and paste the exact error message please - btw it should be ok apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 19:00.03 | ompaul | should be ok |
| 19:00.25 | vaxerdec | doev: c++ programs leave me with a foul taste ;-) good luck with that |
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| 19:00.52 | {g} | ompaul: error message? |
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| 19:01.11 | ompaul | {g}: this warning about your upgrade |
| 19:01.17 | vaxerdec | how to make "apt-get install foo" automatically bring in foo-dev and foo-dbg ? |
| 19:01.18 | {g} | ompaul: im not getting a warning |
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| 19:02.01 | {g} | ompaul: after an upgrade i always run "checkrestart". and that tells me that some evolution related stuff is using old versions of updated files. |
| 19:02.12 | {g} | ompaul: that just made me aware that i have evolution on my system. |
| 19:02.22 | {g} | ompaul: since i dont use it, i wonder if its ok to purge it. |
| 19:02.30 | ompaul | {g}: then do it |
| 19:02.35 | vaxerdec | {g}: why not try |
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| 19:02.49 | {g} | ompaul: ok, running "apt-get purge evolution" in 3.. 2.. 1.. |
| 19:02.54 | ompaul | piets: no |
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| 19:03.01 | ompaul | {g}: no apt-get update |
| 19:03.04 | {g} | vaxerdec: i read that purging evolution might kill gnome |
| 19:03.06 | ompaul | {g}: no apt-get upgrade |
| 19:03.18 | ompaul | {g}: purge is just stupid |
| 19:03.30 | {g} | ompaul: what? |
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| 19:03.53 | vaxerdec | {g}: purging evolution is a bad idea. children deserve to know the science! |
| 19:04.02 | {g} | now im confused. |
| 19:04.04 | ompaul | {g}: I'll say it once, purge is not the way to treat the box if you are not short of space |
| 19:04.14 | ompaul | {g}: if you are then you should get more disk |
| 19:04.23 | {g} | why would i keep evolution if i dont use it? |
| 19:04.48 | vaxerdec | ompaul: if it only means any state or config files will be removed, i don't see what's wrong deleting that |
| 19:04.49 | ompaul | {g}: then build the whole X env from scratch and then when you dist-upgrade you have more strange stuff |
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| 19:05.40 | ompaul | {g}: dist-upgrade works if you want to go version to version but if you go around adding random mad stuff and deleting parts of meta packages the box has to work harder |
| 19:05.44 | {g} | ompaul, vaxerdec: dont understand what you mean. |
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| 19:05.57 | ompaul | {g}: do as you please I've given you my advice |
| 19:06.02 | {g} | but why? |
| 19:06.08 | ompaul | told ya |
| 19:06.17 | vaxerdec | ompaul: purge appears only to leave remnants of configuration around, who cares about that for something never used and completely not cared about? |
| 19:06.20 | {g} | ompaul: where? |
| 19:06.26 | ompaul | here |
| 19:06.37 | {g} | ompaul: i dont think so |
| 19:07.07 | ompaul | vaxerdec: if you want a clean system build it - when evolution or $package leaves behind rubbish that is not picked up and is problematic but cured in a later release ... |
| 19:07.18 | ompaul | just like holistic desktops :) |
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| 19:07.41 | vaxerdec | ompaul: bah, there is so much kruft anyways on a system |
| 19:07.55 | ompaul | vaxerdec: so no point in deleting one package |
| 19:08.02 | vaxerdec | ompaul: you cannot make it perfect beyond any bug and always redo everything from start if you make a single mistake |
| 19:08.14 | ompaul | vaxerdec: :-) correct |
| 19:08.51 | vaxerdec | ompaul: well you can if the machine can reproducibly build itself, but presumably user does not have that kind of setup, so 'purge' seems fine when compared with 'remove' for this |
| 19:09.19 | doev | vaxerdec, I am sure to fix it. thx for your support :) |
| 19:09.26 | ompaul | vaxerdec: ime pointless exercise |
| 19:09.37 | ompaul | vaxerdec: and that is more the principle in it for me :) |
| 19:09.45 | vaxerdec | ompaul: but it's actually running code on his system |
| 19:09.50 | vaxerdec | ompaul: it's like an infection |
| 19:10.13 | ompaul | vaxerdec: eh, no, checkrestart found it needs to refresh it's config |
| 19:10.30 | ompaul | and the only infection is one when one does not get one's shots ;-) |
| 19:10.43 | vaxerdec | ompaul: right so there is code running related to evolution and he doesn't care at all about evolution and never will |
| 19:10.49 | vaxerdec | ompaul: so why not remove that junk? |
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| 19:11.11 | piets | {g}: convert2mp3.net tells me that I should link to a video of a supported video portal. Also, in the long run it's good to have a browser plugin or, even better, a command line tool such as clive |
| 19:11.16 | ompaul | vaxerdec: if that is the case find and remove every other thing not in use - by logical extension |
| 19:11.25 | piets | MY123: when has the API changed? |
| 19:11.26 | vaxerdec | if something is checking evolution's config every time there is a package update why even bother, it is just extraneous entirely |
| 19:11.36 | vaxerdec | ompaul: yes, you're right that you end up with a better system building from the ground up |
| 19:11.43 | vaxerdec | ompaul: installing only as/what you use |
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| 19:11.46 | {g} | piets: it tells you you should "link to a video"? |
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| 19:12.04 | {g} | piets: running code locally is so 1990. |
| 19:12.05 | ompaul | vaxerdec: he ran the code by his own choice, it's not a default thing |
| 19:12.10 | vaxerdec | ompaul: but there is stuff there he already knows he will not use and cares not about, has stuff run related to it, and probably brings in a lot of crap |
| 19:12.15 | ompaul | vaxerdec: the detecting it software |
| 19:12.33 | vaxerdec | ompaul: make a mistake you can remove, whoops |
| 19:12.35 | MY123 | piets: October 2013. |
| 19:12.43 | vaxerdec | ompaul: one purpose of package management to begin with in fact |
| 19:12.49 | {g} | ompaul: i never started or installed anything evolution related manually. it must be in the default debian install. |
| 19:13.00 | ompaul | vaxerdec: he ran checkrestart by his own cli |
| 19:13.12 | ompaul | vaxerdec: he's reacting to it |
| 19:13.31 | piets | {g}: aah, sorry, my bad. I know thee portals, have used keepvid years ago |
| 19:13.32 | vaxerdec | ompaul: right, by removing it |
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| 19:13.39 | ompaul | {g}: your effort will be rewarded with a few k of free space, it is a pointless exercise |
| 19:13.47 | ompaul | or maybe M |
| 19:13.54 | vaxerdec | ompaul: checkrestart identified something problematic. seems like straightforward way to solve the checkrestart problem is remove the package that causes it |
| 19:14.03 | {g} | ompaul: not only with free space. for example at the moment it would keep checkrestart quiet. |
| 19:14.09 | vaxerdec | ompaul: you could say "don't checkstart" but... |
| 19:14.13 | piets | {g}: you know, I prefer running code locally (such as clive) than these online services or browser plugins |
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| 19:14.18 | ompaul | vaxerdec: I did hint at that |
| 19:14.22 | ompaul | ;-) |
| 19:14.34 | vaxerdec | ompaul: well you can say that for anything of course |
| 19:14.58 | vaxerdec | ompaul: i would say "do not use a gui" but that will hardly be considered a solution |
| 19:14.59 | ompaul | you either have a philosophy of a clean as possible machine, or default installs with the bits you want, |
| 19:15.10 | ompaul | vaxerdec: it is a solution to some problems. |
| 19:15.36 | vaxerdec | ompaul: yes, well i'm not running one as we speak. but that is not the point of the question that was asked |
| 19:15.48 | {g} | piets: reminds me of old people, who every month wire the money for their rent and their power usage manually. |
| 19:15.49 | vaxerdec | ompaul: it seems removing evolution is entirely legitimate |
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| 19:16.17 | {g} | vaxerdec: im not sure. when i google it, many people say bad things happened when they removed evolution. |
| 19:16.37 | ompaul | vaxerdec: esp it killing gnome is the medium term target ;-) |
| 19:16.44 | ompaul | shh someone will start an emac vs vi war |
| 19:17.01 | {g} | prefers vi |
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| 19:17.21 | piets | {g}: when you're savvy with the command line, you will prefer to use clive since it works very fast. Moreover, it enables you to write fancy scripts. |
| 19:17.25 | vaxerdec | well it's silly to advise against using purge, that was really my objection |
| 19:17.37 | vaxerdec | it's just not used, purge is completely appropriate |
| 19:18.00 | {g} | piets: are you savvy with the command line? |
| 19:18.19 | ompaul | vaxerdec: what is bugging me really is this, you have a working desktop - you do a dist-upgrade and you've killed the meta package you will lose good stuff incoming |
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| 19:18.49 | ompaul | so you don't get the dist-upgrade and you wonder why stuff is so hard - when others say it is easy |
| 19:19.01 | ompaul | or more to the point |
| 19:19.08 | piets | {g}: no, that's why I prefer online services :-) |
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| 19:19.17 | ompaul | you get stuff with the dist-upgrade - but not the new goodness |
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| 19:19.33 | {g} | piets: im savvy with the command line. still i prefer online services. |
| 19:19.45 | {g} | piets: i *do* code a lot of shit though. |
| 19:19.51 | {g} | piets: i fucking *love* to code. |
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| 19:20.18 | vaxerdec | ompaul: i did not know that. i haven't gone through a dist-upgrade yet since switching from different distro |
| 19:20.38 | ompaul | vaxerdec: ah :) |
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| 19:20.56 | ompaul | vaxerdec: usually if you push me there is some really old long forgotten reason for it |
| 19:21.14 | piets | {g}: then you will clive extraordinarily when you have set up scripts to download vidz remotely whose URLs have been written into text files and the like |
| 19:21.26 | vaxerdec | it's still an irrelevant reason to say to someone not to purge evolution |
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| 19:22.23 | {g} | piets: i never had the use case. i just want to download a song once a while and then i just paste the youtube url into some online converter. |
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| 19:22.54 | vaxerdec | doesn't youtube just become an rtsp url at some point |
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| 19:23.55 | piets | {g}: my mother loves my setup since I just instructed her to save the URLs of videos that she likes in a text file in a specific folder for them to be downloaded |
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| 19:24.53 | vaxerdec | piets: i'm quite sure that violates their terms of use |
| 19:25.11 | {g} | piets: thats awesome |
| 19:25.13 | vaxerdec | piets: if you aren't using an authorized slave-compliance device you will be found in violation |
| 19:25.34 | vaxerdec | this incident has been reported to the proper authorities. |
| 19:25.43 | piets | vaxerdec: that was a joke of course. I would never violate the terms of use of corporations! |
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| 19:26.24 | vaxerdec | piets: err not, for ye know well of thine masters |
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| 19:26.57 | vaxerdec | actually a court might consider that fair use if you did not distribute them in any way |
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| 19:27.31 | vaxerdec | but the user license probably disallows it anyways to cover that |
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| 19:27.50 | ompaul | some legal systems don't have a fair use provision |
| 19:28.17 | ompaul | points at #debian-offtopic for banter :) |
| 19:28.17 | vaxerdec | ompaul: so no copy is allowed for any reason? what about media degradation |
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| 19:28.44 | vaxerdec | ok, yes, off topic |
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| 19:29.05 | vaxerdec | i am trying to figure out how to get apt-get foo to automatically install foo-dev and foo-dbg |
| 19:29.19 | vaxerdec | i want all three versions of all packages on my system without having to do this manually |
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| 19:29.36 | neagix | is it procmail needed to forward mail retrieved by fetchmail to a local postfix? |
| 19:29.45 | vaxerdec | i can manually do the ones not already comformant, but any future apt invocation should do all of them |
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| 19:30.19 | vaxerdec | neagix: procmail is a delivery agent, typically called from postfix itself |
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| 19:30.37 | piets | what I said earlier was only in order to brag! I would never violate the TOS of any of google's services!!! |
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| 19:30.52 | arcke | i ordered a usb wifi TP-LINK TL-WN821N, plugged in debian detects rtl8192cu: Chip version 0x11 while i was aiming for some atheros chipset from this page https://wikidevi.com/wiki/TP-LINK_TL-WN821N_v3 |
| 19:31.06 | neagix | vaxerdec: so I should not even install it and configure fetchmail to route directly to postfix |
| 19:31.17 | arcke | it requires non-free and i rather not use it |
| 19:31.24 | vaxerdec | arcke: i used one of those recently, it was not an rtl iirc |
| 19:31.28 | {g} | piets: sorry, bragging about violating googles tos *is* against googles tos. your fucked. |
| 19:31.43 | piets | {g}: I'm lost... |
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| 19:32.13 | vaxerdec | arcke: i thought it was some broadcom soc not a separate module from the system chipset like rtl is i think |
| 19:32.25 | deitarion | How do I trigger all of the configuration skipped by DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive in one big batch at the end of my script? None of the Google results I can find cover that. |
| 19:32.37 | vaxerdec | neagix: what are you trying to do? fetchmail from a pop or imap server? |
| 19:32.42 | vaxerdec | neagix: and do what with it/ |
| 19:32.52 | jhutchins | deitarion: dpkg-reconfigure -a? |
| 19:32.58 | arcke | vaxerdec: do you know any model which reliably gives me a free driver support |
| 19:33.36 | vaxerdec | arcke: no. all the embedded i know of are non-free in some way. i haven't looked extensively |
| 19:33.50 | vaxerdec | arcke: it seems to be the situation with arm and embedded in general |
| 19:33.57 | deitarion | jhutchins: If it works the way I think, probably `dpkg-reconfigure -a -u` instead. |
| 19:34.32 | arcke | then I have to look at my PCI(-e?)-options |
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| 19:34.46 | jhutchins | arcke: Intels don't usually require firmware, but I don't know about wireless chipsets. I know there are ones that don't require firmware. |
| 19:34.51 | neagix | vaxerdec: I beg pardon, but from pop or imap doesn't make much difference :P I would like to use fetchmail to download emails from a mailbox and put them in my mailbox. where 'my mailbox' can really be the local maildir, since I will run fetchmail on a mailserver itself (where postfix + dovecot run) |
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| 19:35.40 | neagix | perhaps I will go directly for getmail http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/ |
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| 19:36.14 | jhutchins | neagix: I believe there are several good tutorials on setting up and using fetchmail. |
| 19:36.27 | voxadam | It's been many many years since I've installed with the intention of dual booting so I just wanted to verify how debian-installer handles it. I have a machine with Windows 8.1 on the fist SATA drive and a blank second SATA drive. I'd like to install Debian on the second drive and have GRUB on the boot drive so I have the option of booting to the Debian install on the second drive or chainloading NTLDR so I can boot to Windows. Will d-i have any issues |
| 19:36.28 | voxadam | with a setup like this? |
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| 19:37.13 | neagix | jhutchins: true. but for some reason I keep stepping on outdated tutorials or those always putting procmail in the middle. I should really change search engine |
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| 19:37.25 | jhutchins | voxadam: You shouldn't, but read up on installing Debian with UEFI first, it can be tricky. |
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| 19:38.11 | voxadam | jhutchins: Do you mean GRUB or Linux support of UEFI? |
| 19:38.35 | vaxerdec | neagix: fetchmail does not have to go through your system's local agent though, i think it can call procmail itself directly |
| 19:39.12 | vaxerdec | neagix: it appears to have an --mda option now |
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| 19:40.20 | vaxerdec | neagix: i have always used it to submit mail locally (it uses the traditional /usr/lib/sendmail interface if local or can use SMTP) |
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| 19:41.15 | neagix | understands the difference between MTA and MDA.. |
| 19:42.31 | neagix | shame is, I don't have either sendmail nor procmail on this mailserver. just postfix + dovecot, thus I'd like to see if/how it's possible to fetch mail in the local mailboxes without extra software |
| 19:42.57 | vaxerdec | the fetchmail man page seems to recommend against procmail, but that's strange since it is very old codebase and works very reliably |
| 19:42.58 | voxadam | It's never a shame when a server doesn't have sendmail installed. |
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| 19:43.10 | deitarion | jhutchins: Hmm. Not quite. It still reconfigures everything even if it only asks questions I haven't seen before. |
| 19:43.11 | neagix | for the sake of minimalism, let's say, and also to not have to learn and keep another program |
| 19:43.23 | neagix | voxadam: eheh..it's on purpose |
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| 19:44.01 | vaxerdec | neagix: i am thinking of using isync / mbsync for this, to avoid all the intermediarly layers |
| 19:44.05 | neagix | vaxerdec: now I was looking at getmail and possibly I'll just forward to local mailboxes. first I'll have to check how locking is being done by my mailserver and getmail |
| 19:44.23 | voxadam | Are you one of those hipsters that used sendmail back before it was cool or are you just a masochist? |
| 19:44.52 | vaxerdec | voxadam: well *everyone* used sendmail at one time basically heh |
| 19:45.08 | neagix | voxadam: I never used sendmail, and it's not about masochism. you really have to learn the programs that come with a new package that you install |
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| 19:45.09 | voxadam | Oh, I remember. I try not to but I do. |
| 19:45.20 | vaxerdec | voxadam: were there even smtp agents running at the time sendmail was at prominence? maybe from vaxland or something |
| 19:45.56 | neagix | using them without RTFM is more risky and frustrating than not even installing them |
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| 19:46.29 | vaxerdec | fetchmail to procmail looks like it could be just fine for you |
| 19:46.39 | vaxerdec | with --mda option |
| 19:46.45 | arcke | good nights spent configuring sendmail |
| 19:46.48 | neagix | vaxerdec: and procmail to where? to the local mailboxes? |
| 19:47.07 | vaxerdec | neagix: yes sure, that's what you wanted you said |
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| 19:47.53 | neagix | yep, but in this case I might just use getmail4 that does that without procmail (I have used procmail in the past, so no I am not scared by it) |
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| 19:48.53 | vaxerdec | neagix: i have been a heavy procmail user, i see nothing wrong with it |
| 19:49.14 | babilen | It's slow |
| 19:49.15 | vaxerdec | neagix: you still cannot do nested filters with gmail or have terminating recipes |
| 19:49.23 | neagix | I just have to check that they match mbox locking type and should be set |
| 19:49.24 | vaxerdec | neagix: some like maildrop, but same thing really |
| 19:49.33 | vaxerdec | neagix: use maildir |
| 19:49.46 | vaxerdec | neagix: locking is unnecessary |
| 19:49.57 | arcke | fetchmail through procmail just like other mail is useful if you have default mail filters defined as procmail rules |
| 19:50.03 | neagix | vaxerdec: I need to check what locking is in place, don't remember |
| 19:50.20 | vaxerdec | neagix: maildir format requires no locking |
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| 19:50.39 | arcke | otherwise fetchmail can drop mail directly to some set of mailbox formats |
| 19:50.42 | neagix | sure, I know |
| 19:50.53 | neagix | arcke: also maildir? |
| 19:51.13 | vaxerdec | arcke: fetchmail does not drop directly, it must hand it to a delivery agent or another transfer agent |
| 19:51.23 | arcke | probably, im not using fetchmail currently |
| 19:51.30 | neagix | I am not going to use the filtering capabilities of procmail btw. I have sieve too, perhaps I should use that for filtering |
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| 19:52.06 | vaxerdec | neagix: if you just want it delivered, use /usr/lib/sendmail (postfix provides one) |
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| 19:52.35 | neagix | vaxerdec: no I'd like to either give it to the local postfix or store it directly in the maildir |
| 19:52.51 | neagix | ahem, let me reword that. no postfix involved |
| 19:52.55 | neagix | postfix is for outgoing mail right? |
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| 19:53.18 | neagix | so it would be dovecot in this case (for incoming mail). no need either to give this mail to dovecot |
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| 19:53.40 | vaxerdec | neagix: postfix can deliver directly i think just to a flat mailbox if /usr/lib/sendmail is called directly |
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| 19:53.53 | vaxerdec | neagix: fetchmail can do this |
| 19:54.02 | vaxerdec | neagix: it will not transfer it anywwhere |
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| 19:54.32 | vaxerdec | neagix: there used to be i think. let me look |
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| 19:54.45 | arcke | procmail will do fetchmail -> maildir |
| 19:54.45 | neagix | I guess that if I wait long enough, bash will also have emailing feature and we're set :D |
| 19:54.47 | nath | morning fellows, what is the most comman VM software on a debian stable distro? |
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| 19:55.13 | arcke | no need to setup a full fledged postfix or sendmail |
| 19:55.48 | neagix | nath: too much generic. it depends from what you want to do. I'd go with VirtualBox for a noob use case. but there is no perfect answer to your question unless you specify better the requirements |
| 19:56.25 | neagix | arcke: postfix is already there |
| 19:56.32 | vaxerdec | yeah i guess it would even if only a small subset of functionality was used, so --mda with fetchmail is probably the best route |
| 19:56.47 | vaxerdec | (to procmail, maildrop or whatever) |
| 19:57.15 | vaxerdec | but, if your mail provider can offer imap, you might use a sync tool instead, directly to maildir |
| 19:57.16 | nath | neagix: to run tails in |
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| 19:58.08 | neagix | nath: you can either use qemu or Oracle's VirtualBox. I prefer the former, but I think the latter has better GUI, if you need that |
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| 19:59.31 | neagix | ok vaxerdec, thanks for the tips |
| 20:00.19 | nath | neagix: with "virtual box" you mean "gnome-boxes"? |
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| 20:01.02 | neagix | nath: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
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| 20:01.37 | nath | neagix: thx |
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| 20:01.59 | neagix | btw, I have Maildir enabled. although I can't see an option saying "maildir_enabled = true" eheh |
| 20:02.03 | neagix | nath: you're welcome |
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| 20:27.54 | neagix | ended up using getmail4 |
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| 20:32.29 | arcke | neagix: why not postfix? |
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| 20:34.42 | babilen | arcke: different purpose |
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| 20:37.09 | arcke | so postfix is then only receving from remote and delivering locally or sending |
| 20:38.16 | buu | Hey, I'm trying to mount a foreign lvm/mdadm raid on a debian system, I've gotten to the point where I have 'ACTIVE '/dev/vg8/lv8' [8.18 TiB] inherit' but when I attempt to use mount on that device I get the standard 'mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mapper/vg8-lv8' |
| 20:38.21 | buu | Anyone have any ideas where to look next? |
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| 20:38.47 | buu | Oh. Apparently I should read the error message. |
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| 20:38.58 | buu | EXT3-fs (dm-0): error: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240) |
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| 20:40.43 | MY123 | buu: You try to mount an ext4 filesystem as ext3. |
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| 20:48.51 | buu | MY123: Yep |
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| 20:48.56 | buu | And then the blocksize was too big |
| 20:48.59 | buu | But I have triumphed! |
| 20:49.15 | glukt | this was a triumph |
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| 20:51.22 | buu | Science will be done. |
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| 21:05.13 | neagix | arcke: because getmail will save directly into the Maildir's |
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| 21:09.59 | Kyron__ | Hey, can someone help me with Xvfb?... |
| 21:10.06 | Kyron__ | I get this when I try running it http://paste.debian.net/114042/ |
| 21:13.13 | babilen | v0tick: Any progress? |
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| 21:14.53 | AdorableGNU | What's the difference between the Linux kernel Debian uses and the Linux-libre kernel? I don't see much available online about this. |
| 21:15.43 | daemonkeeper | AdorableGNU: One is usable, one is not. |
| 21:16.01 | babilen | heh |
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| 21:16.05 | centrx | AdorableGNU, It looks like Linux-libre has a wider scope for removing things, and does not make them available in a non-free package |
| 21:16.17 | daemonkeeper | The Linux libre kernel removes all traces of firmware by stubbing it's interfaces. |
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| 21:16.35 | AdorableGNU | hmm |
| 21:16.49 | daemonkeeper | Which means you cannot optionally load them if you require them (and you do), but you're left alone with a kernel which does not support half of your devices |
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| 21:17.34 | MY123 | daemonkeeper: You can load firmwares on Linux-libre with DKMS |
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| 21:18.29 | MY123 | daemonkeeper: Use Linux-libre and buy FSF-endorsed HW. |
| 21:18.54 | jhutchins | AdorableGNU: Basically the decisions about what to build in, what to leave out, as well as patches and compile time options to be used are made by different people with different priorities. |
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| 21:19.53 | junka | how can i make grub not appear at boot? |
| 21:20.15 | Shadow_7 | set the timeout to 0? |
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| 21:20.51 | junka | both dirs /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/grub.conf are empty |
| 21:20.54 | centrx | junka, https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+disable+grub |
| 21:21.08 | jhutchins | junka: Because you are on grub2. |
| 21:21.27 | daemonkeeper | MY123: http://www.fsfla.org/svn/fsfla/software/linux-libre/scripts/deblob-3.15 disagrees. |
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| 21:22.21 | junka | Shadow_7: centrx jhutchins thanks |
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| 21:29.17 | qu | Does anyone know why booting to single-user rescue mode has been busted for over a year? |
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| 21:30.13 | qu | Comes to the root password prompt, you enter the password, it gives #... but then enter any command and it goes right back to "enter root password" |
| 21:30.34 | MY123 | qu: You can do the same effect with init=/bin/sh in the prompt. |
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| 21:30.58 | qu | Anything you type, it toggles between enter password and #, but you can never enter any commands. |
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| 21:31.24 | ompaul | did you mount anything |
| 21:31.37 | qu | My system is down because I need to recompile the zfs drivers, but I can't give the stupid thing any commands. |
| 21:31.44 | qu | I can't. |
| 21:31.51 | MY123 | qu: No in GRUB to the kernel command line. |
| 21:31.55 | qu | It's not mounting /home because no zfs. |
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| 21:32.31 | qu | No change in grub. Problem is I just did a dist-upgrade, which updated the kernel, and so boot fails because it can't mount /home. |
| 21:32.56 | qu | So I need rescue mode to compile zfs, but fscking single-user mode has been busted for over a year. |
| 21:33.40 | MY123 | qu: Rescue disk ? Booting with old kernel? |
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| 21:34.15 | qu | I boot to the install disk, and it gets an error trying to mount the luks partition, so that's booted too. |
| 21:35.10 | qu | So I boot to the Debian Live DVD, but the text in everything is microscopic on my 12 foot projection screen, which is a bug that's been around over TEN years. |
| 21:35.39 | ompaul | qu: backups? |
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| 21:36.15 | qu | Why? The problem is that single-user mode is busted. |
| 21:36.33 | qu | Everyone has just worked around that for almost a year? |
| 21:37.00 | ompaul | I didn't have a problem with it Friday the week before last |
| 21:37.11 | ompaul | but then I didn't have zfs I had ext4 |
| 21:37.23 | qu | For many months it has behaved exactly as I describe above. |
| 21:37.42 | qu | Nothing to do with zfs or luks. |
| 21:37.52 | qu | Single-user mode is busted. |
| 21:37.54 | MY123 | qu: Works fine on FSs from non-draconian companies like Oracle. |
| 21:37.56 | ompaul | and I got it to work friday last week on sdebian stable |
| 21:37.57 | jmcnaught | qu: choosing recovery mode in grub menu brings me to a root shell with no problems like you're describing |
| 21:38.41 | ompaul | I somehow thing that zfs is not best loved |
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| 21:38.46 | ompaul | s/thing/think |
| 21:38.46 | muhbot | ompaul meant to say: I somehow think that zfs is not best loved |
| 21:38.49 | jhutchins | qu: No, it's not busted, it just doesn't do what you think it should do by default. You can reconfigure it differently if you don't like it, |
| 21:38.51 | qu | Are you running current Testing? |
| 21:39.03 | jhutchins | qu: 99% of users aren't affected by your special problem. |
| 21:39.30 | qu | jhutchins: It is not working as it is supposed to work. |
| 21:39.43 | ompaul | qu: I run SID and ext4 on about 50 desktops but I don't often require single user (almost never except on stable boxes which are firewalls not here) |
| 21:40.13 | qu | I boot to single, it comes to the log in as root prompt, I give the root password, and it is supposed to then let me enter commands as root. |
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| 21:40.30 | qu | It does not. |
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| 21:42.46 | ompaul | qu: are you sayig you have not been able to boot this machine for months or that the bug hit you recently? |
| 21:42.46 | abrotman | qu: have you filed a bug? |
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| 21:43.31 | qu | ompaul: I have notn been able to boot to -single- for almost a year. |
| 21:43.38 | abrotman | qu: have you filed a bug? |
| 21:44.02 | qu | abrotman: No, but I will now, if I can get the camned thing running. |
| 21:44.19 | abrotman | qu: you don't necessarily need to file the bug from that broken system |
| 21:44.59 | abrotman | qu: but you will need to know which package to file the bug against |
| 21:46.55 | Kyron__ | Can anybody see what the problem is with Xvfb and Python http://paste.debian.net/114050/ |
| 21:47.06 | Kyron__ | From this short log* |
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| 21:48.45 | abrotman | Kyron__: Firefox issue? |
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| 21:51.42 | Kyron__ | abrotman: Not sure. I'm using selenium with this - http://paste.debian.net/114054/ |
| 21:53.07 | abrotman | !ask |
| 21:53.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 22:04.41 | Kyron__ | I'm just trying to open a Firefox browser using Selenium and pyvirtualdisplay I get this log: http://paste.debian.net/114050/ And these are my Firefox/Selenium Preferences/Profile: http://paste.debian.net/114054/ |
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| 22:06.34 | abrotman | did you try safe mode? |
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| 22:19.08 | irinix | Should I report a weird driver bug, that I've been unable to replicate, and seems to be a one off? |
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| 22:24.08 | centrx | irinix, If you can't replicate it, no |
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| 22:24.27 | centrx | irinix, If it keeps happening, but you can't reproduce it at will, then take as much data as you can and figure out where to send it |
| 22:25.36 | centrx | irinix, The problem is: if you can't reproduce it at will, and you can't collect enough data about it, then you don't even know what software is responsible and there is no way for anyone else to either. |
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| 22:26.58 | irinix | centrx, The problem was in the audio card on my satellite C55. Alsa could not figure out how to interact with it until I did the following three things: Install flash-nonfree. Disable my trackpad(by accident) with the keyboard command, and then re-enable the mouse in bios. After that audio started working like a champ. |
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| 22:27.38 | centrx | irinix, Then who knows what could happened during that time? |
| 22:27.59 | centrx | irinix, flash-nonfree would seem completely irrelevant, but maybe it brought in a library package |
| 22:28.23 | centrx | irinix, So it's all speculation unless you want to try reversing each of the things you did, and anything else that might happened on the computer |
| 22:28.24 | irinix | not that I'm aware of, and Apt-didn't report any suggested or recommended packages on install. |
| 22:29.04 | irinix | okay. In that case, I'll just keep my eyes out for more weirdness in the audio system. If I get any, I'll report. |
| 22:29.08 | irinix | Thanks centrx |
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| 22:32.31 | yoLo_ | how do i add user to sudoers file in debian ? |
| 22:32.40 | yoLo_ | everytime i use sudo |
| 22:32.47 | yoLo_ | password doesn't work |
| 22:32.57 | yoLo_ | it only works in logging |
| 22:33.02 | abrotman | add yourself to the sudo group |
| 22:33.19 | yoLo_ | abrotman, how ? |
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| 22:33.38 | abrotman | yoLo_: man adduser |
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| 22:34.06 | mtn | yoLo_: the debian wiki has a section on sudo, as well |
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| 22:42.01 | yoLo_ | mtn, i have just added user to sudo and still pass doesn't work |
| 22:42.20 | yoLo_ | adduser foo sudo right ? |
| 22:42.20 | mtn | yoLo_: did you read the wiki entry? |
| 22:42.26 | yoLo_ | ofcourse |
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| 22:43.49 | abrotman | yoLo_: did you logoutlogin? |
| 22:44.41 | yoLo_ | nope |
| 22:44.45 | yoLo_ | ohh ok |
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| 22:45.02 | yoLo_ | this has to be done for it to take effect ? |
| 22:45.52 | Otyugh | hey |
| 22:46.10 | Otyugh | in what package is located the command "grub-install" ? |
| 22:46.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Otyugh about apt-file |
| 22:47.01 | Otyugh | thanks |
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| 22:47.44 | ikus060 | Hello, I want to install nvidia-settings for 340.24. Is it available ? |
| 22:48.29 | mtn | ikus060: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 22:51.13 | ikus060 | it's not visible on http://packages.debian.org, but I see it at https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/nvidia-settings_340.24-1.html |
| 22:51.54 | Brigo | ikus060, all debian package are in snapshot.debian.net |
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| 23:06.46 | g00se | Getting a worrying redirect from chromium-browser in Wheezy. Not Iceweasel though. Anyone noticed 'inbuilt' malware behaviours? |
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| 23:08.02 | Otyugh | apt-file search grub-install |
| 23:08.12 | Otyugh | output me that : debian-installer: /usr/share/doc/debian-installer/talks/d-i_internals/2004/096-grub-install-mbr.png |
| 23:08.25 | Otyugh | oO |
| 23:08.26 | g00se | btw: i don't have any addons as such |
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| 23:09.59 | Otyugh | does it means I don't have grub-install available on wheezy ? |
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| 23:17.57 | zykotick9 | Otyugh: "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/grub-install" returns grub-pc on my wheezy box |
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| 23:24.33 | user42381 | I just installed a bluetooth headset and got it peered.... how do I get sound out of it? |
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| 23:26.03 | zykotick9 | user42381: keep ubuntu questions in #ubuntu please |
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| 23:28.09 | z1haze | hello im trying to figure out how to have the swap partitions automatically be first in vm installations with esxi so this doesnt happen: http://puu.sh/aHAjY/54840c21b6.jpg |
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| 23:30.26 | user42381 | zykotick9: it's actually a debian question. that system is airgapped atm |
| 23:31.19 | themill | if it's a debian question, why would you ask in #ubuntu first? |
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| 23:32.26 | rhineheart_m | hi.. I need to rename multiple files from filename to Filename... how to do this? |
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| 23:35.51 | somiaj | rhineheart_m: there is a rename command that uses regex |
| 23:36.03 | themill | rhineheart_m: is it literally fâF or is it more general than that? |
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| 23:36.47 | rhineheart_m | themill, just f to F |
| 23:36.54 | rhineheart_m | and the rest all small caps |
| 23:36.57 | Abdominal | I used to have belly fat until I found out about these 3 veggies:>>> http://bit.ly/1kJ4x7F <<< |
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| 23:38.05 | themill | rhineheart_m: «prename -n 's/^f/F/' filenames». Remove the -n when you're happy with what it is doing. |
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| 23:39.15 | rhineheart_m | themill, so all of the filenames starting with lowercase will be changed into Uppercase or users to Users? |
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| 23:39.29 | rhineheart_m | groups to Groups? hint to Hint? |
| 23:39.33 | themill | you said it was only fâF... |
| 23:39.44 | rhineheart_m | ah.. sorry.. I mean that way. |
| 23:40.11 | deitarion | rhineheart_m: Do you want it to be capitalized (only first character) or titlecase (first character of each word in the name)? |
| 23:40.27 | user42381 | Themill: because I'm doing the same thing on multiple systems. |
| 23:40.34 | themill | rhineheart_m: prename -n 's/^(.)/\u$1/ |
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| 23:41.07 | sebastian1 | rhineheart_m: rename 's/(\w{1})/\U$1/' |
| 23:42.22 | sebastian1 | rhineheart_m: yeah use the -n option |
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| 23:43.14 | rhineheart_m | sebastian1, so rename -n 's/(\w{1})/\U$1/' |
| 23:43.27 | themill | sulks |
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| 23:44.56 | sebastian1 | rhineheart_m: yes -n doesn't do the action, just shows what will happen |
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| 23:45.10 | sebastian1 | rhineheart_m: themill answer is right too |
| 23:45.31 | rhineheart_m | it stucks at reading filenames from STDN |
| 23:45.33 | sebastian1 | not sure what prename is though, perl (rename) regex |
| 23:45.42 | sebastian1 | rhineheart_m: put the files after it |
| 23:45.49 | sebastian1 | after the regex |
| 23:46.22 | themill | prename is the "correct" name for rename. Since prename will some day not be in the standard install, it's worth getting used to calling it prename and then one day you won't accidentally use util-linux's old rename. |
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| 23:47.33 | deitarion | I still remember when that first changed from the old rename. I was confused as hell when "rename" suddenly started telling me that my syntax was wrong. |
| 23:47.35 | sebastian1 | if prename and rename are the same thing, and it will be called rename only, it's easier sticking to that |
| 23:47.53 | rhineheart_m | it doesn't change it |
| 23:48.04 | themill | rhineheart_m: that's what -n is for |
| 23:48.20 | themill | sebastian1: no. You'll suddenly find that an incompatible command /usr/bin/rename. |
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| 23:48.54 | sebastian1 | themill: are they the same thing though? |
| 23:48.56 | themill | (while prename will still be prename) |
| 23:48.57 | themill | no |
| 23:49.18 | sebastian1 | i get man page for rename |
| 23:49.23 | deitarion | sebastian1: There's "prename" and "rename" and Debian currently symlinks "rename" to "prename" instead of giving you the "real" (inferior) rename. |
| 23:49.48 | themill | sebastian1: try it for yourself. feed that same regexp to "rename.ul". One day, rename.ul will be /usr/bin/rename and prename will be in a package you have to install |
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| 23:50.20 | rhineheart_m | themill, yes it works.. now how to recursive it? is it possible? |
| 23:50.32 | themill | egads. Don't ask for much do you |
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| 23:50.54 | future28 | Hi - I noticed this about my debian workstation: PORT STATE SERVICE 111/tcp open rpcbind 56738/tcp open unknown |
| 23:51.14 | future28 | What could be listening there? |
| 23:51.19 | sebastian1 | themill: so in the future they'll include the inferior rename and we'll have to install prename. Sounds like that would be going backwards |
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| 23:51.36 | sebastian1 | if now rename is symlinked to prename |
| 23:52.07 | themill | sebastian1: prename was only ever included in the perl package pretty much by accident and as a result we currently have a quite old version of it. This fixes that problem. |
| 23:52.22 | deitarion | rhineheart_m: find /path/to/start/at -exec rename 's/(\w{1})/\U$1/' {} \; |
| 23:52.35 | holt_kessler | hey guys is there a naming convention during installation for setting up a partition that will be accessed and used as a backup partition for a few windows boxes for example would /backup be ok? |
| 23:53.09 | themill | rhineheart_m: are directories supposed to be renamed too? or only files? |
| 23:53.21 | rhineheart_m | only files.. themill |
| 23:53.33 | deitarion | rhineheart_m: find /path/to/start/at -type f -exec rename 's/(\w{1})/\U$1/' {} \; |
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| 23:53.44 | sebastian1 | themill: okay interesting |
| 23:53.55 | future28 | netstat -l gives this: tcp 0 0 *:56738 *:* LISTEN |
| 23:54.15 | themill | deitarion: that won't rename the deeper files -- you want -execdir |
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| 23:55.25 | aktau | Hey guys. I know you're going to judge me for doing everything wrong, but I'm going to hazard it: I compiled an ffmpeg binary on a box that has (e)glibc 2.17, and now find myself in the situation of having to run it on a standard wheezy box |
| 23:55.36 | aktau | Needless to say, it complains loudly about not getting the desired glibc version |
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| 23:55.38 | deitarion | themill: Ahh, yeah. I've been spending too much time in Python lately and I keep forgetting that there are extra cautions to be taken when using shellscript and subprocesses. |
| 23:55.58 | themill | yeah. the regex will need changing too because of what find passes to prename |
| 23:56.16 | aktau | I'm way too scared of upgrading glibc on a server I've got in the air and setting up a build box with the right glibc would take too long |
| 23:56.30 | aktau | So I tried to be clever and extra the glibc 2.17 packages in some folder |
| 23:56.37 | aktau | Then running it like this: LD_LIBRARY_PATH="./lib/x86_64-linux-gnu:/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu" ./lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.17.so ffmpeg |
| 23:56.47 | centrx | aktau, Why not just compile it on this machine too? |
| 23:57.22 | aktau | centrx: I'm a bit afraid of having a compiler toolchain (build-essentials) on that box |
| 23:57.36 | aktau | centrx: It's in the air and all that, I'd rather keep as few things as possible on there |
| 23:57.44 | aktau | centrx: yet if that's the only way, I'd do it |
| 23:57.53 | centrx | You mean, the cloud? |
| 23:57.56 | aktau | centrx: still, compiling ffmpeg pulls in a lot of stuff |
| 23:58.09 | aktau | centrx: just online, which is the cloud, I guess. |
| 23:58.23 | centrx | well which weather phenomena is it |
| 23:58.37 | sebastian1 | the tornado |
| 23:58.52 | aktau | Seeing as it's just one box with no redundancy, a hail storm for me |
| 23:59.07 | aktau | If I could somehow convince that one binary to use a new glibc until I get time to compile a proper version, that would be awesome |
| 23:59.13 | centrx | aktau, Find/install a machine with the same libraries on it |
| 23:59.16 | aktau | So if anyone perhaps has a tip, that would be really nice |
| 23:59.27 | themill | points at libav-tools |
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| 23:59.46 | sebastian1 | yeah I thought ffmpeg was gone |
| 23:59.54 | aktau | themill: afaik ffmpeg has ha no-X-org operations since 2.3 (incredibly recent) |
