| 00:00.01 | aktau | themill: which is what I compiled |
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| 00:00.08 | aktau | I don't think libav has that yet |
| 00:00.14 | aktau | And most definitely not the debian wheezy packages |
| 00:02.15 | deitarion | themill: Personally, for that kind of thing, I'd probably just do this --> python <<< "import os; [os.rename((os.path.join(p,x), os.path.join(p,x.capitalize()))) for p, _, f in os.walk('.') for x in f]" |
| 00:02.24 | LordDeath | I just installed a minimal debian and the mate desktop from the wheezy backports |
| 00:02.31 | LordDeath | which display manager should I use? |
| 00:02.34 | LordDeath | lightdm? |
| 00:02.57 | LordDeath | afair gdm and kdm will install tons of other dependencies |
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| 00:05.15 | z1haze | is there a way to have debian create the swap partition first? |
| 00:05.42 | aktau | DEAR GOD! |
| 00:05.49 | aktau | Sorry for shouting, but I got it to work |
| 00:06.00 | aktau | The most curious thing, I only had to supply the full path to the binary |
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| 00:06.56 | deitarion | LordDeath: This could be helpful --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_display_manager_%28program_type%29#Some_implementations |
| 00:07.10 | LordDeath | thx |
| 00:07.52 | sebastian1 | anyone have any lower back problems sitting at your debian machine all day? |
| 00:08.05 | deitarion | LordDeath: SDDM isn't on that list and is what LXQt plans to use, but it depends on Qt so it's probably not what you're looking for. |
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| 00:15.30 | silicong | hello all -- what is the best way to get wheezy to run apache 2.4 |
| 00:15.40 | silicong | is there a package for this or am I building from source |
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| 00:17.42 | silicong | jessie has packages (testing) |
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| 00:19.58 | jmcnaught | silicong: Don't use the jessie packages. You could try backporting the packages yourself, but a lot of other packages depend on apache so it could be tricky. What do you need Apache 2.4 for? |
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| 00:20.12 | sebastian1 | silicong: yes jessie has them, you can try backporting |
| 00:20.18 | silicong | an app that I am building |
| 00:20.18 | sebastian1 | or just compile source |
| 00:20.23 | silicong | I want to test it - |
| 00:20.52 | silicong | ok so what do you recommend -- |
| 00:21.08 | jmcnaught | silicong: if you're just testing something you could do that in a Jessie VM or something |
| 00:21.08 | sebastian1 | for testing, you can try debian testing :) or unstable. Not for production though |
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| 00:22.02 | silicong | ok - so then jessie it is |
| 00:22.42 | binaryhermit | obligatory warning: Testing is the last version of Debian to get security patches |
| 00:23.34 | jmcnaught | silicong: don't upgrade on a public network to Jessie without at least reading up on security updates for Testing. If you're just testing out how well it runs, do it in the privacy of a VM or container on your local network |
| 00:23.50 | jmcnaught | silicong: a server on a public network that is |
| 00:24.04 | silicong | yes - that is what I am planning |
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| 00:29.04 | jhutchins | silicong: Better yet make your app backward compatible to what will be available to the majority of apache usrs. |
| 00:30.24 | silicong | cant do that - by the time I am done I will be lucky if 2.4 is still in use |
| 00:30.55 | jhutchins | silicong: 2.4 is not available in most stable, commercial-grade releases yet. |
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| 00:31.18 | jhutchins | silicong: It's in RHEL 7, but that's hardly a proven platform. Very little is certified on it yet. |
| 00:31.59 | ikus060 | I own a T530 and I want to use the display port. This laptop support optimus. Is it possible to about using bumblebee and only use the nvidia card, always ? |
| 00:32.21 | jhutchins | silicong: Then again, if it's just for you, you might as well throw up a testing server. |
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| 00:33.40 | abrotman | silicong: will it be on the internet, or internal only? |
| 00:34.07 | silicong | I am going to have it on the internet but blocked only I will know where it is hidding for now |
| 00:34.21 | silicong | and nothing mission critical is going to run on it |
| 00:34.49 | abrotman | it's not blocked |
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| 00:36.42 | riceandbeans | anyone here used Palo Alto firewalls? |
| 00:36.49 | abrotman | riceandbeans: This is #debian .. |
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| 01:13.37 | Fudge | hi is there a channel for debian on the raspberry pi or can i ask questions here |
| 01:14.17 | dvs | #raspbian |
| 01:14.41 | abrotman | Fudge: Debian or Raspbian ? |
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| 01:14.52 | Fudge | raspbian |
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| 01:15.03 | abrotman | then, #raspbian |
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| 01:15.16 | Fudge | oh yeah.... thanks guys :D |
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| 01:16.05 | dvs | politicians! |
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| 01:49.26 | Resiliente | hello to everyone, I'm having trouble with my nick, id not put the password and now it is temporaly unaavailable, what cna I do? |
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| 01:50.59 | dondelelcaro | Resiliente: use e-mail to recover it, or ask in #freenode |
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| 01:51.42 | Resiliente | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 01:56.02 | sebastian1 | what's the difference between notify-osd and libnotify4? |
| 01:57.02 | abrotman | sebastian1: -osd would imply on-screen ? |
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| 02:00.23 | sebastian1 | abrotman: yes, but they seem to accomplish the same thing. Just wondering if anyone knew the difference |
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| 02:02.14 | abrotman | sebastian1: one is an actual daemon, one is not |
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| 02:02.37 | abrotman | sebastian1: note the desc on the libnotify4 says you still need the notifications-daemon |
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| 02:20.49 | z1haze | can someone please help me with installing debian? how can i install it to where the first partition is the swap partition? so the main partition ill span the rest? |
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| 02:21.37 | dvs | z1haze: Why does the swap partition have to be the first partition? |
| 02:22.05 | z1haze | because for example i had a vm installed with a 25gb root/home partition and then swap |
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| 02:22.25 | z1haze | i wen to increase the the size of the drive andi couldnt because of the swap partition |
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| 02:22.54 | dvs | z1haze: and you want another install on that same drive? |
| 02:23.05 | heurist_ | z1haze: what trouble are you having making the partitions that way you want? are you getting errors? |
| 02:23.53 | z1haze | i dont want another install i want o grow the size of this partition |
| 02:23.59 | z1haze | look this picture can kinda explain http://puu.sh/aHAjY/54840c21b6.jpg |
| 02:24.46 | z1haze | in order to grow the partition, because where the swap partitino is, i have to delete the swap, shift the root partition over and recreate the swap.. which risks corruption.. whouldnt it make more sense to just had swap be first so that the root partition can grow whenever i want |
| 02:25.04 | dvs | z1haze: Yeah, so move the end of the extended partition, then move the swap partition, them move the start of the extended partition |
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| 02:25.19 | heurist_ | z1haze: why not just move the swap to the end? |
| 02:25.50 | z1haze | i mean i could but its just the simple fact that if it was swap, root, then youd never had to move anything |
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| 02:26.06 | z1haze | thered be nothing hold it back from growing.. |
| 02:26.19 | z1haze | i just was wondering in the debian install is there like a way to set it up that way? |
| 02:26.30 | heurist_ | z1haze: if you keep needing to resize partitions you are doing something wrong. |
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| 02:26.50 | z1haze | its not for me, its for users who have vm's.. maybe they decide they want to upgrade |
| 02:27.08 | z1haze | and and wont be able to safely 100% upgrade them without risk of "hey maybe your shit will be corrupted from this" |
| 02:27.38 | basheba | hey guys I can't get vlc audacious or anything to play anything it says: "No decoder found" in audacious so now I know whats wrong with vlc and clementine. How do I get the right decoders please? |
| 02:27.46 | z1haze | is there just a way in the installation to set the swap partiont very virst? |
| 02:27.50 | z1haze | first!* |
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| 02:28.42 | dvs | z1haze: you can manually partition the drive during the install but I still don't get why the swap partition must be first. |
| 02:28.43 | heurist_ | z1haze: yes, the installer will let you partition any way you want. |
| 02:29.06 | z1haze | i juist explained perfectly why i want it first? |
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| 02:29.38 | z1haze | pretend you bought a 25gb vps and you filled it up, and you wanted to increase your space to 50gb |
| 02:29.39 | dvs | z1haze: you can move the swap partition to the end. |
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| 02:29.48 | heurist_ | z1haze: I keep telling you that you can. why do you keep asking? what am I missing? |
| 02:30.10 | z1haze | i dont see it heurist, sorry. |
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| 02:30.25 | z1haze | its placing them like this http://puu.sh/aHVn0/5ae0f5604f.png |
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| 02:31.48 | z1haze | my preference is having them flipped |
| 02:33.48 | dvs | z1haze: You can't swap the partitions around without reinstallation. |
| 02:34.07 | z1haze | i know im talking about a fresh install |
| 02:34.12 | z1haze | that last screen shot is a new install |
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| 02:35.43 | dvs | z1haze: Hit ESC and see if there is an option to manually partition the disk. |
| 02:36.02 | TJ- | z1haze: LVM is designed for what you are trying to do, it does away with hard-coded partitioning |
| 02:36.10 | z1haze | there isnt not that im aware of |
| 02:37.43 | z1haze | so unless i do lvm, it will always be this way? i cant just simple swap the 2 around somewhere in the installation? thats crazy |
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| 02:38.29 | heurist | z1haze: you can partition it any way you want in during installation. |
| 02:38.44 | dvs | including manual partitioning |
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| 02:41.34 | z1haze | i did manual partitioning |
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| 02:42.34 | brennanos | I just installed that latest version of Debian on a G3 iMac, and everything seemed to go fine, but when I boot, I eventually get to a black screen that never goes away |
| 02:42.43 | z1haze | but where in the installation does it allow me to do this? ive been through it like 5 times im not seeing the damn thing |
| 02:42.51 | brennanos | Im wondering how I can disable X altogether and boot to a normal shell login |
| 02:42.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell brennanos about nodm |
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| 02:44.19 | dvs | z1haze: Did you hit ESC at that partitioning screen? |
| 02:44.56 | z1haze | yes it jsut took me back a menu |
| 02:45.08 | dvs | what does it look like? |
| 02:46.01 | z1haze | ok first is this.. |
| 02:46.14 | z1haze | then this http://puu.sh/aHWn1/422065350f.png |
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| 02:47.16 | z1haze | unless im missing it. |
| 02:47.20 | Guest13029 | hello to everyone, I'm getting into learning firewalls (yes, newbie) and I am a little lost, should I learn iptables? or nftables? what's the difference? |
| 02:47.49 | heurist | Guest13029: iptables |
| 02:47.53 | dvs | z1haze: Try starting with the expert install option |
| 02:48.02 | Guest13029 | heuwhy? |
| 02:49.13 | heurist | Guest13029: because iptables is what it used for firewalling in linux |
| 02:49.33 | Guest13029 | heuha, I think it is a humorous commnet... |
| 02:49.39 | Guest13029 | heurist, ha, I think it is a humorous commnet... |
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| 02:49.59 | z1haze | expert seems rather confusing, do youhave a section you want me to get to? becase im to partition disks on expert mode |
| 02:50.01 | z1haze | it looks the same |
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| 02:50.43 | z1haze | the escape menu on manual partition is exactly the same |
| 02:52.46 | heurist | z1haze: have you read the installation manual? specifically https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
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| 02:54.51 | z1haze | what is partition table type though? |
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| 02:55.53 | brennanos | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:56.44 | dvs | z1haze: Here are the options in step 12 of this web page: http://www.tecmint.com/debian-gnulinux-7-0-code-name-wheezy-server-installation-guide/ |
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| 02:57.57 | z1haze | using lvm |
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| 03:00.12 | dvs | z1haze: two options use LVM |
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| 03:01.20 | heurist | z1haze: both lvm options are "guided" you want "manual" |
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| 03:07.39 | pigpen_ | anyway to have my video files display as thumbnails in debian wheezy? |
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| 03:08.05 | pigpen_ | xfce desktop |
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| 03:23.17 | nowaymanlol | exit |
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| 03:49.20 | kpap | mist, thanks |
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| 03:55.23 | slashwaves | hi |
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| 03:55.35 | slashwaves | just a simple question |
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| 03:56.22 | slashwaves | is it enough if I use netinst.iso to setup server box |
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| 03:56.37 | slashwaves | running ssh for begining |
| 03:57.10 | heurist | dpkg: tell slashwaves -about enter |
| 03:57.29 | heurist | slashwaves: the netinstall get all its files from the internet during install |
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| 03:58.30 | slashwaves | mmm ok |
| 03:58.58 | slashwaves | but if connect internet using proxy, is it possible? |
| 03:59.50 | heurist | slashwaves: so if your internet is good then it is ideal for a server install, you select what you want and it fetches them for you. via a proxy if you need that. it ask you for proxy details during the install |
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| 04:01.21 | slashwaves | heurist, ok, sorry if it is a basic question, because it is fisrt time I will use debian |
| 04:01.32 | heurist | slashwaves: no worries |
| 04:01.43 | slashwaves | last time I used ubuntu and I want to migrate to debian |
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| 04:02.53 | slashwaves | ok heurist, thanks a lot of your information, time to practise |
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| 04:05.23 | slashwaves | heurist, is there a difference If I want to install server or desktop? |
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| 04:05.59 | heurist | slashwaves: no, the desktop will need more packages though. |
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| 04:07.44 | slashwaves | so if I want to install simple server, just ssh or telnet , is it enough is I use a CD1 or DVD1 ? |
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| 04:12.15 | heurist | slashwaves: those are probably on cd1, you would have to check. I would suggest just using the netinstall. |
| 04:13.01 | slashwaves | ok |
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| 04:13.10 | slashwaves | I will try |
| 04:13.49 | heurist | slashwaves: if your proxy is any good it will even cache the downloads for if you need to reinstall. |
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| 04:15.17 | slashwaves | heurist, yeah, good reason |
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| 04:17.41 | Artemis3 | pigpen_, you need package tumbler and the various gstreamer thingies |
| 04:17.43 | kristijonas | hello, I removed (apt-get purge asterisk) asterisk package, and installed (apt-get install..) again, since the /etc/asterisk config files remained the old ones, I removed the folder /etc/asterisk/ and tried again. The folder /etc/asterisk gets created, but there are no files inside. how do I fresh-install the package so I can get original /etc/asterisk/ content? |
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| 04:23.38 | heurist | kristijonas: sounds like the configs are not part of asterisk, try dpkg -S /etc/asterisk/ to see what package owns them. |
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| 04:24.29 | kristijonas | heurist, asterisk-config, asterisk: /etc/asterisk |
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| 04:24.57 | heurist | kristijonas: then you need to resinstall asterisk-config |
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| 04:29.33 | kristijonas | heurist, asterisk-config is one of the "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:", and as I suggested I "apt-get autoremove" after "apt-get purge asterisk". |
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| 04:34.53 | heurist | kristijonas: but you did not purge the auto-remove packages, maybe try purge them all. |
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| 04:35.23 | dioz | anyone know what a flipper is? |
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| 04:37.18 | kristijonas | heurist, now I've tried "sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install --reinstall asterisk" (it worked out) |
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| 04:37.43 | heurist | kristijonas: cool. long command though. |
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| 04:38.12 | heurist | writes that down somewhere. |
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| 04:38.57 | kristijonas | heurist, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/27762/restore-etc-configuration-files-from-the-default |
| 04:39.17 | jmcnaught | !confmiss |
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| 04:40.06 | heurist | jmcnaught: botmiss ? |
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| 04:40.19 | jmcnaught | no bot? http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/factoid.php?key=confmiss |
| 04:40.51 | phy1729 | must have been split |
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| 04:43.08 | pigpen_ | <Artemis3> pigpen_, you need package tumbler and the various gstreamer thingies |
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| 04:43.24 | pigpen_ | yep installed tumbler and gstreamer but what are the gstreamer thingies? |
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| 04:44.51 | Artemis3 | pigpen_, gstreamer plugins such as good, bad, ugly... |
| 04:44.56 | pigpen_ | got most of them to appear all but a couple |
| 04:45.05 | pigpen_ | ahh ok |
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| 04:55.05 | Abhijit | how to remove distros from database of debmirror? so that it wont download repo for it? |
| 04:55.22 | slashwaves | Can I get netinst.iso in .img format? I want to write it to memstick |
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| 04:55.48 | heurist | slashwaves: the iso is compatible with usb, just cp it to the device. |
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| 04:56.39 | slashwaves | oh |
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| 04:56.54 | Artemis3 | slashwaves, dd the iso :3 |
| 04:56.54 | slashwaves | heurist, thanks |
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| 04:58.17 | slashwaves | thanks Artemis3 |
| 04:58.58 | heurist | slashwaves: Artemis3: cp is simpler, but dd works too. |
| 04:59.51 | heurist | slashwaves: make sure you cp or dd it to the drive, not a partition, so cp netinst.iso /dev/sdX not /dev/sdXN |
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| 05:11.39 | Abhijit | how to make debian net installation iso boot into netboot instead of cd rom? |
| 05:12.07 | Abhijit | via pxe |
| 05:13.20 | heurist | Abhijit: https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall |
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| 05:14.41 | Abhijit | heurist, i already have working pxe server in centos. i want to install debian using it. the pxe server is cobbler. which debian iso should i use? |
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| 05:15.33 | somiaj | Abhijit: look for the netboot image |
| 05:15.52 | heurist | Abhijit: as it says in that link https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#netboot |
| 05:15.55 | Abhijit | somiaj, i already have debian netinstall image |
| 05:16.02 | somiaj | not netinstall, netboot |
| 05:16.05 | Abhijit | ok |
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| 05:16.45 | Abhijit | somiaj, its not iso? |
| 05:17.34 | heurist | Abhijit: pxe does not do iso |
| 05:17.50 | Abhijit | somiaj, is this correct http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 05:18.06 | Abhijit | heurist, as i alreaday mentioned the pxe is done through cobbler. cobbler needs iso. |
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| 05:18.56 | heurist | Abhijit: fair enough. I will shut up then since I know nothing about cobble (: |
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| 06:04.58 | dioz | FUCK FREE WORLD |
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| 06:44.42 | micw | hi |
| 06:45.00 | micw | how can i setup a pointopoint or static route in a preseed.cfg? |
| 06:45.10 | micw | (PREFERENTLY POINTOPOINT) |
| 06:45.19 | micw | oop, sorry for capital letters |
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| 07:10.24 | rryoumaa | how do you specify partition size in GiB using cgdisk? |
| 07:10.43 | josmund | Can I run Debian from a usb key? |
| 07:11.09 | rryoumaa | josmund: my understanding is yes; you install to it |
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| 07:11.34 | rryoumaa | or you can put install or live onto it |
| 07:11.40 | josmund | I'm prepared to goole, just wanted to know if I someone has tried |
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| 07:11.50 | josmund | thanks all :) |
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| 07:17.16 | engblom` | Is anyone knowing at what moment the shutdown scripts will flush the buffers to the hard disk? I wonder if there is a race condition causing the unattended upgrades to break grub |
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| 07:25.27 | Abhijit | do i need to provide some argument to kernel at boot to make it boot to pxe and not ask for cd? |
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| 07:27.30 | bezaban | Abhijit: that booting happens before the kernel is loaded. Usually handled in bios |
| 07:28.21 | Abhijit | bezaban, the argument is to be provided before the kernel actually boots. |
| 07:28.24 | Abhijit | not after booting |
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| 07:30.07 | bezaban | Abhijit: then you've already booted a different medium than PXE. You can PXE boot using grub, but the way I usually do it is by using BIOS to network boot directly |
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| 07:30.38 | Abhijit | bezaban, i already pxe booted to cobbler. it this screen i have to press tab and edit the grub options |
| 07:30.58 | Abhijit | at* |
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| 07:32.12 | heurist | Abhijit: have you read the page I sent you? it list kernel options to specify nfs or whatever root, also make sure you are using the correct image, the standard iso might not contain what is needed for netboot. |
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| 07:32.38 | Abhijit | heudebeu, i am using debian dvd 1 .iso |
| 07:32.45 | Abhijit | heurist, ^ |
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| 07:33.51 | kikimeter | hi, if I change /etc/network/interface with some iptable rule in it, how can I reload the iptable to be effective ? I restarted networking service, but I didnât work |
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| 07:34.08 | kikimeter | it* didnât work |
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| 07:35.32 | Caterpillar | what is the shell command to check SELinux alerts? The infos I have found on internet are quite confusing |
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| 07:37.46 | sebastian1 | kikimeter: you put iptable rules in /etc/network/interface? |
| 07:37.59 | kikimeter | sebastian1: yes |
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| 07:38.47 | kikimeter | when my server start, iptable are automaticly set |
| 07:39.21 | kikimeter | I not a sys admin, there is maybe a better way to do that |
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| 07:39.55 | sebastian1 | kikimeter: i believe iptables rules go in /etc/iptables.rules |
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| 07:40.38 | kikimeter | I dont have any iptables.rules file |
| 07:41.02 | sebastian1 | kikimeter: https://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 07:41.06 | heurist | Caterpillar: audit2why -al |
| 07:41.37 | Caterpillar | thx |
| 07:41.53 | mikechelen | hi, where do i put kernel parameters, at the bottom of /etc/default/grub? |
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| 07:42.45 | blueeagle | mikechelen: http://xmodulo.com/2013/11/add-kernel-boot-parameters-via-grub-linux.html |
| 07:42.49 | Caterpillar | heurist: command not found. Which package have I to install? |
| 07:43.10 | blueeagle | mikechelen: Got that from googling: debian kernel parameters :) |
| 07:43.15 | heurist | mikechelen: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= |
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| 07:43.47 | kikimeter | sebastian1: thanks, so in my script I will uptable my iptable file and iptables-restore just after |
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| 07:43.59 | heurist | Caterpillar: policycoreutils |
| 07:44.45 | mikechelen | blueeagle: ok so multiple parameters just put a space between them right |
| 07:44.51 | sebastian1 | kikimeter: you need to also save them to a master iptables file. Keep reading further in the guide |
| 07:45.06 | mikechelen | blueeagle: i was confused because a snippet someone posted had parameters on multiple lines |
| 07:45.42 | sebastian1 | kikimeter: and also create a new file which will start the iptables rules on reboot |
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| 07:46.26 | kikimeter | sebastian1: yes of course, but my goal was to reload new iptables rules based on a file (mine was /etc/netw/interface) without restarting my server |
| 07:46.27 | sebastian1 | kikimeter: as root not sudo |
| 07:46.53 | heurist | kikimeter: maybe look at the iptables-persistent package |
| 07:47.56 | sebastian1 | kikimeter: you don't need to reboot, just create a script that runs the rules again if you reboot |
| 07:48.16 | kikimeter | yes I will |
| 07:48.24 | blueeagle | mikechelen: If you are in doubt about kernel parameters (or anything in grub) you can press E in the GRUB menu and edit the entry for one time. If it works then you can add it to the config. If it does not work then you have an error message to help you troubleshoot. |
| 07:48.25 | sebastian1 | I wouldn't name the file /etc/network/interface - there is already a file called /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:51.29 | mikechelen | blueeagle: ok yeah ill try that if it doesnt work |
| 07:52.28 | blueeagle | mikechelen: It is an idea to try it before altering the config as to prevent you form having an unbootable system. :) |
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| 07:52.56 | mikechelen | blueeagle: oh well i can always take it out at the same place |
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| 07:55.31 | junka | hi engrampa crushes when i open a .rar file |
| 07:56.27 | gdm85 | mmh..I am afraid I will need svn 1.7 on Wheezy |
| 07:57.14 | themill | gdm85: how about subversion 1.8? |
| 07:57.24 | gdm85 | themill: yeah, I mean 1.7+ |
| 07:57.30 | themill | ,v subversion --release wheezy-backports |
| 07:57.31 | judd | Package: subversion on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.9-1~bpo70+2 |
| 07:57.33 | gdm85 | I was looking at the wheezy-backports |
| 07:57.55 | gdm85 | however I would also like to "pin" it so that only subversion comes from wheezy-backports |
| 07:58.01 | themill | (beware that svn 1.7+ breaks quite a few things in debian) |
| 07:58.13 | themill | that's the default configuration of the backports repository |
| 07:58.20 | gdm85 | oh, nice |
| 07:58.21 | blueeagle | mikechelen: That is true. |
| 07:58.25 | gdm85 | themill: you mean also 1.8? what can it break? |
| 07:58.38 | gdm85 | main reason for upgrade is that I need the single .svn directory in there |
| 07:59.08 | sebastian1 | junka: you need unrar |
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| 07:59.43 | themill | gdm85: There are plenty of tools that assume there's a .svn in every directory which is how they know they're inside a repo -- svn-buildpackage for instance, others if I remember correctly. That's why 1.7 didn't get into wheezy itself. |
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| 08:00.08 | junka | sebastian1: but shouldn't it open and display a msg rathar than crush? Also i use unrar-free |
| 08:00.16 | sebastian1 | junka: or unrar-free |
| 08:00.47 | gdm85 | themill: ah, ok. I am not concerned about that as I am not using packages with dependencies to subversion |
| 08:01.00 | gdm85 | (at worst my own integration would break, but I never wrote in such assumption) |
| 08:01.29 | sgo11 | hi, If I install debian to a usb flash-drive, which partition type should I choose? ext2, ext3 or ext4? thanks. |
| 08:01.31 | sebastian1 | junka: not sure, I'd find a different solution if its crashing. Open terminal and unrar -x file.rar |
| 08:01.32 | themill | gdm85: yeah, it wouldn't be in wheezy-backports if it were a complete trainwreck ;) |
| 08:02.17 | gdm85 | themill: do you know what is the security policy of wheezy-backports? |
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| 08:02.36 | junka | sebastian1: failed :( |
| 08:02.43 | themill | gdm85: best effort |
| 08:02.48 | sebastian1 | file corrupted? |
| 08:02.56 | junka | sebastian1: no |
| 08:03.00 | gdm85 | themill: same as other packages or a tad below? just wondering |
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| 08:03.23 | sebastian1 | seems it, did you try another copy? |
| 08:03.49 | junka | sebastian1: no, let me try |
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| 08:03.58 | themill | gdm85: it depends a lot on what sort of fixes are required, how invasive they are and whether the new package (which might be a new upstream version) is easily backportable itself. |
| 08:04.29 | gdm85 | themill: I understand. thanks |
| 08:06.31 | gdm85 | btw, I am starting to dislike the twin directories that end with ".d" after an existing filename. like /etc/sudoers and /etc/sudoers.d, or /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources/list.d/ |
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| 08:06.44 | junka | sgo11: I would say ext2 but ext4 would still be ok |
| 08:06.59 | gdm85 | although I personally don't mistype that often, I have seen often people failing at that. I think starting with "d." would have been a smarter choice back then ;) |
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| 08:08.17 | themill | gdm85: having them a long way apart in the output of "ls" wouldn't be very convenient for people finding them though |
| 08:08.49 | gdm85 | themill: meh..I am biased. I put typo-safety first |
| 08:09.00 | sgo11 | junka, thanks for your reply. why do you choose ext2 instead of ext4? |
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| 08:09.39 | gdm85 | screwing up /etc/sudoers and a missing root password can be a pain to recover on some boxes |
| 08:10.08 | gdm85 | (I know, you can chattr readonly that file..) |
| 08:10.13 | petern_ | visudo is always the recommended way |
| 08:10.22 | junka | sgo11: because ext4 is journaling |
| 08:10.35 | gdm85 | petern_: I am referring to situation where somebody needs to copy a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ but inadvertently tab-completes to copy over /etc/sudoers |
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| 08:11.22 | engblom` | It looks unbelievable, but is Wheezy really not syncing at all at shutdown. I was grepping /etc for sync. |
| 08:11.29 | sgo11 | junka, ok. does journaling mean increasing read/write times to usb drive? |
| 08:11.44 | gdm85 | engblom`: doesn't the kernel do that for you? |
| 08:11.46 | heurist | engblom`: umount forces a sync |
| 08:11.53 | gdm85 | nods |
| 08:12.11 | petern_ | engblom`, and the subdirectories of /etc ? |
| 08:12.19 | junka | sgo11: yes precisely |
| 08:12.37 | junka | sebastian1: i tried a different .rar same result, failed |
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| 08:12.58 | junka | sebastian1: could be the encoding? |
| 08:13.01 | sgo11 | junka, thanks. :) |
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| 08:13.15 | petern_ | /etc/init.d/sendsigs contains a sync |
| 08:13.22 | junka | sgo11: np |
| 08:13.28 | sebastian1 | junka: no clue :/ it just says: failed ? |
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| 08:13.53 | junka | sebastian1: Extracting �����æ¢ï¿½ï¿½/�å«ï¿½ï¿½ ��� �����æ¢ï¿½ï¿½.doc Failed |
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| 08:16.32 | engblom` | gdm85: heurist: I have been trying to find a reason why unattended upgrades fail to 100% in the same computer (grub becomes broken). If I install it manually and then run sync after, it works. The only reason I can see is some buffers not getting properly written to disk. |
| 08:17.07 | heurist | engblom`: unatended... /shudder |
| 08:17.16 | gdm85 | engblom`: what is it? ARM? amd64? using SSD? btrfs? |
| 08:17.17 | engblom` | I have 110+ computers running unattended upgrades and all of them are failing to boot after the latest updates. |
| 08:17.28 | engblom` | amd64 running root on xfs |
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| 08:17.32 | gdm85 | engblom`: could it be full /boot partition? |
| 08:18.01 | engblom` | No, it is not having a separate boot partition. The problem is easy repaired with "grub-install /dev/sda" |
| 08:18.15 | engblom` | (from boot-stick) |
| 08:18.33 | gdm85 | engblom`: so the unattended installation did not spit out any error, but still part of the buffers were not written to disk? |
| 08:18.40 | heurist | engblom`: sounds like some error in your unatended setup, make *it* sync for you. |
| 08:18.46 | ChrisH | engblom`: any Raid controller involved? Add a tactical sleep 10 and some sync into the upgrade script? |
| 08:18.52 | themill | unattended-upgrades doesn't force a reboot though |
| 08:19.03 | gdm85 | did you reboot because there was a kernel upgrade? |
| 08:19.17 | petern_ | Urgh, openssl updates ;( |
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| 08:19.29 | gdm85 | petern_: well, those don't call for a reboot |
| 08:19.39 | engblom` | I am using the flag in |
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| 08:20.05 | petern_ | No, but my update tracking system has flagged it for install on ... many servers. |
| 08:20.14 | clee6948 | I purchased a dvd. But today when I want to play the dvd with vlc, it throws something like "...Add. Sense: Read of scrambled sector without authentication" |
| 08:20.16 | gdm85 | petern_: as of today? didn't see it yet |
| 08:20.19 | engblom` | I am using the flag in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades to get the computers to install them at shutdown. |
| 08:20.34 | clee6948 | I've installed libdvdread4 libavcodec-extra-54, etc. |
| 08:20.36 | heurist | and a kernel update does not affect grub, only a grub update would cause errors that grub-install fixes. |
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| 08:20.50 | clee6948 | what else packages should I also install or any place I can check? |
| 08:20.50 | gdm85 | engblom`: yeah I believe it's as heurist said |
| 08:20.52 | petern_ | gdm85, yes, appeared in the last 24 hours I guess. |
| 08:21.22 | engblom` | Unattended-Upgrade::InstallOnShutdown "true"; <--- that is what I have been uncommenting. |
| 08:21.26 | themill | dpkg: tell clee6948 about libdvdcss |
| 08:21.38 | gdm85 | engblom`: do you see a recent grub update somewhere? in this case would be nice to see if there was any kernel oops at shutdown |
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| 08:22.09 | sgo11 | junka, hm.. I am reading this page http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/7208/1 |
| 08:22.21 | sgo11 | junka, it says ext4 is fastest one. |
| 08:22.22 | engblom` | gdm85: Is there any debian site listing the latest updates? |
| 08:22.25 | gdm85 | if it affected all computers at once it's likely a bug in kernel or grub |
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| 08:22.50 | engblom` | It has affected both lenovo and dell laptops. |
| 08:23.02 | heurist | engblom`: plus fssyncing does not affect grub since it is not in one of the filesystems, it is in the mbr. though without the errors we are guessing and it could be missing files from /boot |
| 08:23.06 | junka | sgo11: use ext4 then :) it's the default in almost all distros nowdays |
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| 08:23.28 | gdm85 | engblom`: no idea. you could subscribe https://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/ |
| 08:23.34 | engblom` | heurist: sitll "grub-install /dev/sda" is fixing the problem... |
| 08:23.45 | sgo11 | junka, I will do more research. |
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| 08:24.06 | heurist | junka: you can disable the journal on ext4 for all (most) the benefits of ext4 with the speed of ext2 simplicity. |
| 08:24.21 | gdm85 | engblom`: or also debian-release |
| 08:24.39 | junka | heurist: sgo11 is the one interested |
| 08:24.42 | clee6948 | themill: thanks. I get it working now! really appreciate it~ |
| 08:24.43 | junka | sgo11: did you read that? |
| 08:24.54 | heurist | junka: woops |
| 08:24.57 | themill | clee6948: enjoy! |
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| 08:25.38 | heurist | junka: I still went back and checked who was asking and then got it wrong. |
| 08:25.41 | sgo11 | heurist, thanks. how to do that? I plan to install debian to an usb flash-drive. so I can take the OS everywhere with me. |
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| 08:27.59 | heurist | sgo11: man mkfs.ext4 look for -O ^has_journal |
| 08:28.17 | sgo11 | heurist, got it. thanks. |
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| 08:31.43 | gdm85 | to prevent some packages to (re)start daemons, sometimes I create a policy-rc.d script returning exit code 101. how bad/terrible is it, speaking about package installation integrity? I am carefully looking for some weirdness to happen sooner or later |
| 08:34.06 | heurist | gdm85: maybe look at what the kali-linux guys did in their sysv-rc package, I like their solution. |
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| 08:35.01 | see1 | hello |
| 08:35.51 | gdm85 | heurist: ok, I will. I think scenario where this would lead to inconsistent state is when a package install script uses some state changed specifically by the service running first time |
| 08:36.08 | see1 | i try to install nginx with ngx_pagespeed followed by https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/module/build_ngx_pagespeed_from_source but i get errors E: Package 'zlib1g-dev' has no installation candidate |
| 08:36.09 | see1 | E: Package 'libpcre3-dev' has no installation candidate |
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| 08:36.59 | gdm85 | heurist: what do they do there, specifically? |
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| 08:38.15 | heurist | gdm85: they rename /usr/sbin/update-rc.d and make a script in its place. the script checks a black/whitelist and whether is run by user or during install and does not add some service to autostart. |
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| 08:38.49 | heurist | gdm85: it just calls the original update-rc.d under most circumstances |
| 08:38.55 | somiaj | ,zlib1g-dev |
| 08:38.56 | gdm85 | heurist: eheh, I understsand |
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| 08:39.00 | somiaj | ,v zlib1g-dev |
| 08:39.01 | judd | Package: zlib1g-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 1:1.2.3.4.dfsg-3; wheezy: 1:1.2.7.dfsg-13; jessie: 1:1.2.8.dfsg-1; sid: 1:1.2.8.dfsg-1 |
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| 08:39.31 | somiaj | see1: then you sources.list is not set up correctly, as you can see that package exists |
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| 08:41.07 | mistnim | hello! I installed a jessie package on debian wheezy (deluged) it required un unmet dependency (python?) but forced installation and it works. But now I can't upgrade the system because apt complains about the unmet dependency. What can I do? Is there a way to ignore it? |
| 08:41.11 | wald0 | i would like to know, there's nvidia-glx in jessie that works in wheezy but is not yet backported (well, the new version i mean), what can be reason ? |
| 08:41.18 | heurist | gdm85: I do not fully like their solution, they keep the black/white list in the perl script, but the principal is the best I have seen and I adapt it to my needs with my own sysv-rc package, though I should add a diversion instead of a package. |
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| 08:41.24 | wald0 | i mean, what/who/how is decided when a new version is backported? |
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| 08:42.15 | heurist | wald0: when the people doing the work feel it is stable enough. |
| 08:43.09 | vincent_c | wald0: the quickest way to get an answer to that is to directly ask one of nvidia-glx's maintainers |
| 08:43.46 | vincent_c | I'll save you a bit of trouble and simply say that I just haven't had time to look at backports yet, but it's on my todo list |
| 08:43.49 | somiaj | mistnim: mixing debian wheezy and stable is not advised or supported. You can't just isntall one or two packages form jessie. Eitehr upgrade all the way to jessie or run wheezy with backports |
| 08:43.58 | somiaj | mistnim: you will have to manually fix the issue you created |
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| 08:44.38 | somiaj | wald0: takes time, it will be backported but the new nvidia packges have only recentally made it into jessie, so it could be a bit until the current jessie ones are backported to wheezy. |
| 08:44.43 | somiaj | !tell wald0 about ssb |
| 08:44.46 | somiaj | you could try ot backport it yourself |
| 08:44.56 | mistnim | somiaj how do I manually fix it? deluge is not on backports and I don't want to upgrade to jessie |
| 08:45.13 | somiaj | mistnim: you have to remove all the jessie packages and then create your own backport |
| 08:45.27 | somiaj | mistnim: so remove jessie from your sources.list then follow this command |
| 08:45.32 | somiaj | !tell mistnim about not available |
| 08:45.56 | somiaj | down grade all the core libs you upgraded to jessie back to wheezy versions, then follow the instructions at /msg dpkg ssb to make your own backport |
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| 08:46.44 | mistnim | ok thanks somiaj |
| 08:47.34 | petern_ | Nearly finished upgrading openssl on all these things :S |
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| 08:49.46 | petern_ | Which probably means there'll be another one soon, heh. |
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| 08:51.57 | see1 | somiaj i have source.list setup to dotdeb |
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| 08:53.31 | see1 | deb http://packages.dotdeb.org wheezy all / deb http://packages.dotdeb.org wheezy-php55 all |
| 08:55.35 | gdm85 | see1: that is not supported officially, as far as we know |
| 08:56.08 | gdm85 | actually I recently had a few inconsistencies when mixing up dotdeb and non-dotdeb packages |
| 08:56.08 | see1 | hmm |
| 08:57.09 | abator | there one black,keyboard appears on screen when cursor moves into edit field. in upper left corner. i dont need that onscreen keyboard. but there is no way to,drag it and i could not find way to close the keyboard permanentaly. what i should do to close it? |
| 08:57.29 | gdm85 | abator: Ctrl+W? |
| 08:57.32 | wald0 | vincent_c: you are a maint of nvidia-glx ? |
| 08:57.57 | abator | oh ok, ty, let me try that. but is there way to close that forever? |
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| 08:59.57 | abator | the ctrl+w closed onscreen keyboard but it appeared again when cursor moved to edit field |
| 09:01.00 | abator | that is really uglynkeyboard and really unnecessary because the other big keyboard that appear from bottom of screen is much better |
| 09:01.24 | abator | i dont need 2 keyboards |
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| 09:01.32 | abator | please tell me what to,do? |
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| 09:04.35 | micw | how can i set preseed to install only the "standard" selection plus openssh but not the defaulkt selection which contains desktop? |
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| 09:05.44 | z8z | debian team should consider to upgrade krusader package as it has a huge number of bugs in wheezy version |
| 09:06.00 | babilen | z8z: bugs are stable just like anything else |
| 09:06.06 | babilen | judd: v krusader |
| 09:06.07 | judd | Package: krusader on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.2.0~beta1-2+squeeze1; wheezy: 1:2.3.0~beta1-1+wheezy3; jessie: 1:2.4.0~beta3-2; sid: 1:2.4.0~beta3-2 |
| 09:06.07 | abator | please guide, the onscreen keyboard appear right over the edit field and do not let me see what is being typed. |
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| 09:06.19 | z8z | even is not a security bug still should be upgraded imo |
| 09:06.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell z8z -about stable |
| 09:06.47 | babilen | z8z: "stable" means "not changing" and it will therefore *not* be upgraded. |
| 09:07.07 | wald0 | abator: remove virtual keyboard package |
| 09:07.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell z8z -about ssb |
| 09:07.21 | z8z | babilen: i know that |
| 09:07.28 | babilen | z8z: You should be able to backport it yourself by following the procedure the bot just told you about. |
| 09:07.47 | babilen | z8z: What is it exactly that you refer to? |
| 09:07.58 | abator | wald0: i need the one that appear from bottom of screen. i can remove the second that appear from upper left corner. |
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| 09:08.44 | abator | wald0: removing virtual keyboard package will remove all keyboards. |
| 09:09.39 | abator | imdont understand why two keyboards are there |
| 09:09.47 | abator | i dont*** |
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| 09:10.07 | petern_ | Hmm, iceweasel segfaulting :S |
| 09:10.15 | abator | anyway, let me get rid of the most nasty one in the upper left corner |
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| 09:12.11 | abator | look like a keyboard bug. |
| 09:12.55 | NCS_One | hi |
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| 09:13.50 | NCS_One | could I have any problems if I use LVM with 2 HDDs and have a partition on the 2 HDDs? |
| 09:13.56 | chewbecca | hola |
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| 09:14.14 | abator | wald0: should i remove virtual keyboard package? |
| 09:14.28 | Walex | NCS_One: sure, yes. Having that configuration does not prevent all problems from happening, it is not a spell of problem-resistance. |
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| 09:15.14 | heurist | NCS_One: that is kinda what lvm is meant for. if one drive dies it can be hard to get the data of the other drive. |
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| 09:15.32 | abator | wald0: i think removing the package will remove the keyboard that i need. the one from bottom of screen |
| 09:17.17 | NCS_One | Walex: yes, I know |
| 09:17.18 | abator | this should not take all day i hope |
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| 09:18.29 | Walex | NCS_One: then perhaps you should ask a more definite question as to what you want to do with that] |
| 09:19.09 | Walex | NCS_One: do you want to crate one or two VGs? What kind of LVs do you want to create? |
| 09:19.37 | NCS_One | heurist: yes, you are right. probably I better to change the partion on the 2 HDDs to only be in 1 |
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| 09:20.17 | abator | can someone help me |
| 09:20.35 | NCS_One | Walex: I was thinking on only creating one VG |
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| 09:21.56 | Walex | NCS_One: any particular reason for that? What kind of LVs do you want to create? |
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| 09:23.44 | NCS_One | Walex: what do you mean "What kind of LVs"? noob here :) |
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| 09:25.33 | abator | am i not getting something clearly as told before, like removing of virtual keyboard package. |
| 09:25.34 | Walex | NCS_One: well LVM works that you register some block devs with it as PVs (physical volumes), you aggreate one or more PVs into one or more VGs (volume groups), and then in each VG you create slices of them called LVs (logical volumes) |
| 09:26.08 | Walex | NCS_One: there are some different types of LVs you can create, including a few RAID levels. |
| 09:27.03 | Walex | NCS_One: which PVs to registers, which PVs end in which VGs, and which LVs you create from those VGs are all system administrator decisions driven by performance and resilience. |
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| 09:27.55 | Walex | NCS_One: there are pretty significant tradeoffs for each choice. It ir *your* choice. |
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| 09:30.34 | NCS_One | Walex: too much for me :( |
| 09:31.24 | abator | its hard to find answer on google, please let me know how to permanentaly remove the virtual keyboard into upper left corner of screen |
| 09:32.08 | ChrisH | NCS_One: what and why do you want to create partions to be used with LVM? |
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| 09:33.06 | NCS_One | ChrisH: I have 2 40GB HDDs with LVM in future I can insert a bigger HDD more easily |
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| 09:35.37 | ChrisH | NCS_One: thats what LVM is inteded for. you can use commands like pvcreate NEWDISK, vgextend , and then pvmove from the small disk onto the big disk.... (There are more ways to do that) |
| 09:36.39 | NCS_One | ChrisH: soo you recommend not to create the LVM now? |
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| 09:37.35 | ChrisH | NCS_One: I allways recommend to use LVM allways, everywhere :) |
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| 09:37.41 | NCS_One | :) |
| 09:38.15 | kikimeter | How can I check if my 50unattended-upgrades is good on my debian system ? I try to make a file that work on debian wheezy and ubuntu http://paste.debian.net/plain/114105 |
| 09:38.50 | ChrisH | because you simplky can do such operations. If you are more experiened you might want to add md tools for mirroring (even with only one mirror half) |
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| 09:39.55 | kikimeter | I canât have a unattended-upgrades file that work on both system ? |
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| 09:42.25 | NCS_One | ChrisH: on HDD1 I created a 512MB pri partition for /boot, and a logical part LVM with the rest. On HDD2 I created a logical part LVM with all space. then created a VG with HDD1 lvm and HDD2 lvm |
| 09:43.32 | NCS_One | ChrisH: then created root, usr, var, swap, tmp and home LVs |
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| 09:46.05 | NCS_One | ChrisH: I can mirror only 1 partition? |
| 09:47.24 | petern_ | Why have /boot only on one drive? |
| 09:47.53 | petern_ | Or... are you not intending to use RAID1 at all. |
| 09:48.08 | ChrisH | NCS_One: show us lsblk and blkid on paste.debian.net please... makes it easier to talk about your setup. |
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| 09:48.19 | NCS_One | petern_: yes, I was not going to use raid |
| 09:49.12 | petern_ | You can boot off LVM mind you. |
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| 09:50.49 | NCS_One | ChrisH: I'm still finishing the install, I'll paste after |
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| 09:52.09 | Walex | NCS_One: perhaps the one "generic" thing to say is that unless you really know what you are doing creating a non-redundant LV across two physical disks may be something to avoid |
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| 09:54.37 | NCS_One | Walex: :( |
| 09:55.51 | kikimeter | I use a script to set my root password via ssh. How can I check if my root password is good ? I donât have a user to do a su user su - and check, and I disable password login on ssh |
| 09:55.54 | NCS_One | Walex: I have 2 40GB HDDs, I need all the space, maybe put root, usr, var, swap and tmp in one HDD and home in the other? |
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| 09:56.31 | kikimeter | passwd dont ask for my old password too |
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| 09:57.43 | abator | is there no chance of getting help at this time? |
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| 09:58.07 | Walex | NCS_One: if you have 2x 40GB disks you are cash-constrained (aka "poor") |
| 09:58.17 | Walex | NCS_One: is that the case? |
| 09:58.23 | heurist | kikimeter: ctrl-alt-f1 and login as root |
| 09:58.41 | Walex | NCS_One: because if you are cash-constrained you won't have much money to spend on backups |
| 09:58.58 | NCS_One | Walex: this is for a small office small web app, and for know this is what they have :) |
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| 09:59.23 | kikimeter | heurist: Iâm a hosted server |
| 09:59.51 | kikimeter | the simple solution was to create a user, test su - with this user and delete this user |
| 10:00.14 | heurist | kikimeter: enable ssh with password for root, test, disable again? |
| 10:00.26 | fossrox | hi, I'm trying to compile xorg-server but i get ../hw/xfree86/dri/dri.h:41:21: fatal error: xf86dri.h: No such file or directory -- does anybody know what i'm missing? |
| 10:00.34 | heurist | kikimeter: if you can create a user yes. |
| 10:00.48 | kikimeter | yes Itâs an another solution, I just ask the question, maybe someone know a simple solution |
| 10:01.03 | jelly | fossrox: did you install build-deps for xserver-xorg-core? why are you doing this? |
| 10:01.07 | NCS_One | Walex: there is no blkid |
| 10:02.36 | Walex | NCS_One: do you have backup? How much backup do you need? What are the availability requirements? Of the 2x 40GB disks how much space do you think will be left free? |
| 10:02.39 | jelly | dpkg, tell fossrox about build-deps |
| 10:02.40 | fossrox | jelly: i want to enable support for evdev in Xephyr |
| 10:03.35 | fossrox | jelly: i think i've did aptitude build-dep xorg-server |
| 10:03.41 | Walex | abator: perhaps nobody is familiar with your issue... |
| 10:04.09 | Walex | abator: not many people use virtual keyboards in Debian I guess. |
| 10:04.44 | jelly | fossrox: perhaps build-dep xserver-xephyr would make more sense |
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| 10:07.06 | fossrox | jelly: there seems to be a long standing bug and seems ubutu is affected as well, to solve the problem they suggested modifying xorg-server debain/rules, please have a look https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/659793 |
| 10:07.31 | fossrox | i find this bug all over, just no working solution so far... |
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| 10:09.07 | fossrox | some related stuff has been reported to debian as you can find in the thread |
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| 10:11.54 | factor | i am trying to upgrade my u1 debian box to u3 but it wont let me with out removing almost all the packages and is not installing or replacing it with new ones |
| 10:12.06 | factor | How do I force it to dist-upgrade the box |
| 10:12.27 | fossrox | ls |
| 10:13.37 | Posterdati | hi |
| 10:14.00 | peetaur2 | factor: does "apt-get install" without a package also want to remove things? |
| 10:14.02 | NCS_One | Walex: http://paste.debian.net/114110/ |
| 10:14.19 | Posterdati | I need to install python-pip on wheezy, but it asks for 2.6 and installation of 2.6 failed. Any hints? |
| 10:14.22 | Posterdati | thanks |
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| 10:15.17 | jelly | fossrox: poke the relevant debian bugs for clues, then |
| 10:15.24 | factor | peetaur2 checking |
| 10:15.57 | factor | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: libc-bin : Depends: libc6 (> 2.19) but 2.13-38+deb7u3 is installed |
| 10:16.27 | factor | Doo I need to install u1 again libc-bin |
| 10:16.31 | peetaur2 | changing libc is scary... should only be done for a release upgrade I think |
| 10:16.48 | factor | its seems u3 is install, that is what I want to sync the entire box to now |
| 10:16.48 | peetaur2 | did you already run a release upgrade? or only the one that you mentioned which sounded like you didn't go through with it |
| 10:17.13 | factor | Yes I was downloading and installing the debs manually but borked up |
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| 10:17.27 | factor | I now have the full 3 dvd's mounted and ready to upgrade |
| 10:17.52 | jelly | factor: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc-bin libc6" and _full_ output of your command |
| 10:18.05 | jelly | !tell factor about bat |
| 10:18.07 | factor | ok hold on |
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| 10:19.03 | factor | http://pastebin.com/9QyCt6A4 |
| 10:19.42 | factor | It is looking for u1 I imagine then upgrade to u3 |
| 10:19.50 | jelly | factor: notice the libc-bin version you have installed does not exist in debian 7 |
| 10:19.51 | factor | I have u3 install partially |
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| 10:20.14 | jelly | !tell factor about partial downgrade |
| 10:20.47 | jelly | !tell factor about wheezy sources.list |
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| 10:21.22 | factor | I am on a non Internet system |
| 10:21.33 | jelly | fun. |
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| 10:21.41 | factor | i have the 3 u3 dvd and the original 7 isos for u1 installed |
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| 10:22.55 | jelly | factor: your output says only libc-bin 2.13-38+deb7u2 is available |
| 10:23.22 | jelly | perhaps you didn't add those newer dvds |
| 10:23.39 | factor | yes I have |
| 10:24.05 | factor | but wants me to do a -f install whic removes everyting |
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| 10:24.51 | fossrox | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/114112/ so seems it has to be xorg-server as described |
| 10:25.29 | jelly | factor: your apt does not see either libc6 or libc-bin u3 available |
| 10:25.43 | factor | http://pastebin.com/DcUgmeBG |
| 10:25.51 | factor | I have u1 and u2 now |
| 10:25.58 | factor | but no u3 which I guess is testing |
| 10:26.10 | jelly | it's not. |
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| 10:26.19 | factor | So i need to download testing dvds |
| 10:26.26 | jelly | nope |
| 10:26.51 | jelly | factor: downgrade libc6 and libc-bin to 2.13-38+deb7u2 |
| 10:26.56 | factor | ok |
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| 10:27.28 | jelly | factor: something like apt-get install libc6=2.13-38+deb7u2 libc-bin=2.13-38+deb7u2 (and probably some pther packages build from the same source) |
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| 10:28.52 | jelly | fossrox: ah. Do you have /usr/include/X11/dri/xf86dri.h on the system or not, then? |
| 10:29.19 | MO_Handes | after installing gnome-shell-extension "netspeed" it does not show in gnome-tweak-tool extensions for me to enable it. what should I do? |
| 10:29.39 | factor | jelly thanks will see what I can do |
| 10:29.45 | fossrox | jelly: yes |
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| 10:37.23 | fossrox | jelly: i run the compilation with -j4 and i get only now on the end of the output: dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2 -- can you please give me a hint where i can check error log, since i cant see it in the console after applied the mentioned parameter? |
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| 10:38.02 | factor | jelly: thanks looks like it upgrading now, you rock, policy apt got it done |
| 10:38.24 | jelly | fossrox: run your build inside screen or script next time, to collect the output |
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| 10:39.21 | jelly | factor: just like any other build failure, check the _first_ error that appears |
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| 10:40.01 | Lope | I'm setting up some debian VMs to spider websites. How would the performance of 32bit compare with 64bit VM's? I'm thinking spidering is not very CPU bound, it's more IO bound. And if I use 32bit VM's I'll use less RAM per VM? |
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| 10:40.23 | jelly | Lope: there's no easy answer there. Try it and see. |
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| 10:40.55 | fossrox | jelly: i do have like 1000 last lines i think, still can't see info about the error, would you like me to link you to a paste? |
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| 10:41.44 | jelly | fossrox: I'm AFK now and won't see it for a couple hours, but maybe someone else can jump in |
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| 10:42.10 | peetaur2 | fossrox: run with -j1 and then just pastebin the last 100 or so |
| 10:42.23 | fossrox | jelly: thank you very much for trying to help :) |
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| 10:43.14 | fossrox | peetaur2: i will, just this will take more than 30 minutes or more i think... |
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| 10:43.35 | peetaur2 | if you don't clean before running again with -j1, it should be fast |
| 10:43.51 | peetaur2 | or just post 400 lines with -j4 ... just then there will be 4 outputs mangled together |
| 10:44.56 | fossrox | peetaur2: i'm running the build with dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b -- i'm not sure if it doesn't run autoclean on its own, should i call it differently? |
| 10:45.09 | Usergnome | Hello I am running Gnome classic on Debian and when I try to open my files in the places sub-menu I get this message: Could not open location 'file:///home/user/Documents' / No application is registered as handling this file, I then un-installed nautilus and re-installed nautilus and the problem still occurs, how can make nautilus open my files? |
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| 10:45.22 | peetaur2 | fossrox: just post a few 100 of the output you have |
| 10:45.32 | fossrox | ok |
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| 10:50.00 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I'm new into firewalls, and I don't know what to learn and what to use, the widely deployed iptables or the new nftables, anybody an explain me please? |
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| 10:54.47 | MO_Handes | after installing gnome-shell-extension "netspeed" it does not show in gnome-tweak-tool extensions for me to enable it. what should I do? |
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| 10:59.05 | petn-randall | Resilience: iptables/nftables are fairly low-level tools. You want to look into ufw for desktops, or shorewall for servers. Knowing iptables isn't a bad thing, though ;) |
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| 11:02.26 | Resilience | petI understand that they are level cli tools and conf file tools, I do my configuration based upon low level tools and conf files, never with "high" level tolsl as network manager... I knw that knowing iptables is not bad but... is the same situation as with ipfw/ipchains and ipchains/iptables? or is it different this time? |
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| 11:05.57 | fossrox | peetaur2, i will run it with -j1 since i cant find a pastebin able to accept the size, almost each line is relatively very long |
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| 11:09.21 | petn-randall | Resilience: (Try petn<tab>) Yes, it'll be the same situation as with ipchains/iptables, one will be phased out as the new one picks up. |
| 11:09.25 | fossrox | peetaur2: but unfortunately i have to run now as well for a few hours :( |
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| 11:10.34 | deadrabbit | I am trying to set up a VPN via OpenVPN, it "successfully" connects through Network Manager but I think it isn't routing the traffic correctly...web pages aren't being resolved and applications not connecting either...how do I correctly set this up? |
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| 11:12.15 | Resilience | petn-randall, thakns (I hav used pet <tab> not petn, sorry) ok, if this is the situation... maybe should I learn nftables (new) and iptables for been so wdely deployed that it will lat a few years to be phased out? |
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| 11:14.07 | ChrisH | deadrabbit: start checking routing and forwrding on the OpenVPN server. |
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| 11:15.57 | deadrabbit | I am using PrivateInternetAccess (.com) |
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| 11:16.57 | deadrabbit | ChrisH: i am pretty sure it has something to do with the routing but I am new to all of this |
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| 11:18.43 | NCS_One | ChrisH: did you had a chance to see my paste? |
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| 11:20.53 | aborrero | hi there! |
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| 11:25.33 | petn-randall | Resilience: You can do that, sure. But again, I recommend using something like shorewall. I guess you *could* plow a field by hand for research purposes, but everyone else uses a tractor for that. ;) |
| 11:25.35 | Lope | Is there any point in upgrading debian VM's from the 3.2 kernel to 3.13/14 etc? |
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| 11:27.30 | petn-randall | Lope: Unless the 3.2 kernel doesn't support hardware you need, it's best to stick with the default kernel, since it's more thoroughly tested. |
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| 11:28.52 | peetaur2 | Lope: there probably isn't unless you know of some reason.... eg. if you want vfio-vga-pci, you need 3.10 or later. Security and other bug patches are backported to the 3.2.x one until EoL. |
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| 11:29.44 | Lope | how will I know when 3.2 is EoL? |
| 11:30.01 | Lope | is it okay to run debian 7.1 still? I've done dist-upgrade on it. |
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| 11:30.53 | Sevet | 7.1 only refers to a point in time within wheezy, if you have been doing apt-get/aptitude update you'll be on the latest 7.x |
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| 11:31.44 | Sevet | which would mean you're on the latest stable release |
| 11:31.45 | peetaur2 | Lope: once your debian release is EoL, that kernel produced by the debian team will have no more support (and for mainline kernel EoL you can see here, but it's not really relevant http://kernel.org/) |
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| 11:45.22 | jerware | hi |
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| 11:46.10 | jerware | does anyone have a sources.list I can wget from? |
| 11:46.48 | Resilience | jerware www.debian-handbook.info |
| 11:47.15 | NCS_One | by default debian doesn't came with sudo? |
| 11:47.24 | aborrero | jerware, my sources.list is a few lines, I can give you these here |
| 11:47.32 | aborrero | NCS_One, I don't think so |
| 11:47.56 | jerware | How can I tell which debian release I'm running? |
| 11:48.41 | acemi | jerware: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 11:49.50 | jerware | 7.6 is wheezy ? correct? |
| 11:49.56 | petern_ | Yes |
| 11:49.56 | acemi | yes |
| 11:50.07 | formorer | 7.x is wheezy |
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| 11:52.45 | bloons | Anybody know what can be tre problem if I cant ping my own ip? I use "ip show address" to make sure its the right ip. I can ping any other ip on the network without problem. |
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| 12:00.48 | bloons | Its probably something wrong in /etc/network/interfaces, since I can ping my own ip before I edit that file. |
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| 12:01.30 | Caterpillar | nano /etc/selinux/config and changing from permissive to enforce, does it require a system reboot? |
| 12:02.35 | Lope | Sevet: peetaur2 thanks |
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| 12:03.32 | ChrisH | NCS_One: sorry not. I was off for lunch and cannot see the link right now. can you resend it? |
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| 12:07.28 | Sevet | Caterpillar: probably |
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| 12:07.45 | Sevet | Caterpillar: try /usr/sbin/setenforce in selinux-utils to change at runtime |
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| 12:10.51 | abrotman | Caterpillar: yes |
| 12:11.43 | petn-randall | bloons: What is the error you get? |
| 12:12.12 | Caterpillar | Sevet: strangely etenforce 1 says that selinux is disabled |
| 12:12.13 | bloons | Nothing, have to Ctrl + c to exit. |
| 12:13.07 | petn-randall | bloons: Let it timeout. |
| 12:13.15 | bloons | ok |
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| 12:13.36 | NCS_One | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/114110/ |
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| 12:15.53 | Sevet | Caterpillar: it may well be |
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| 12:16.14 | Sevet | it isn't on by default |
| 12:16.24 | Sevet | https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup |
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| 12:17.27 | bloons | How long does it take to timeout? |
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| 12:19.58 | petn-randall | bloons: I guess too long. Can you paste the output of 'ip addr', 'route -n' and the exact ping command you're using to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 12:22.25 | pbase | I am having problems with speaker sound in wheezy. I hear the beeps on logout. But cannot hear sound from speaker from within the environment. The headphones work just fine. Sometime sound from speakers work but for like 30 seconds or so. After that cannot hear the sound. This happens randomly. Can anyone help? |
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| 12:25.17 | pbase | here is the hardware - http://paste.debian.net/114135/ |
| 12:25.41 | bloons | petn-randall: Here http://paste.debian.net/114136/ |
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| 12:27.17 | manats | hi, can you recommend which FTP server to install into Debian? ProFTP, vsftp or pureFTP. It will be using about 100 clients. |
| 12:27.27 | petern_ | None preferably. |
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| 12:28.05 | abrotman | mantas: do you really need FTP? |
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| 12:28.38 | pbase | updated - http://paste.debian.net/114141/ |
| 12:29.19 | petn-randall | bloons: Looks good to me. Are you running a firewall? What is the output of 'iptables -L -vn' and 'iptables -L -vn -t nat'? |
| 12:29.33 | mantas | abrotman I am building small web hosting server for students. So I think yes. |
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| 12:29.58 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 12:30.10 | petern_ | mantas, have you considered SFTP instead? |
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| 12:30.26 | sobersabre | Is it possible to tune an already formatted fs (ext4) and change its block size ? |
| 12:30.35 | sobersabre | (I mean live, without mkfs ) |
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| 12:32.16 | mantas | petern_ SFTP is working via ssh? |
| 12:32.27 | petern_ | Yes |
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| 12:33.33 | bloons | Says 'nat' is a bad argument. |
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| 12:34.33 | NCS_One | ChrisH: going to lunch, be back later |
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| 12:35.06 | abator | i enabled 32bit support with dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
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| 12:35.30 | abator | do i have to enable 64bit support before i stalling a 64bit package |
| 12:36.01 | abator | orignally ion debain wheezy i had 64bit |
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| 12:38.01 | bloons | petn-randall: Shoudl I just ignore that command and show output of the first one? |
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| 12:40.06 | mantas | petern_ thank you. One more question how to jail user into home folder using SFTP? |
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| 12:45.48 | tristanb | hi guys, do you have any idea why my partition isn't mounted with ACL when i do "sudo mount -o remount,acl /" |
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| 12:52.17 | ChrisH | NCS_One: this isn only some of the requested commands |
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| 12:55.30 | petern_ | mantas, can be achieved with sshd configuration. |
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| 12:58.17 | Walex | pbase: the speaker operates in one of two modes, as a beeper or as a pseudo-sound-card |
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| 12:58.57 | Walex | pbase: probably when booting etc. it is operating as a beeper, when in your desktop environment it is configured as a sound card, but not the default one. |
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| 12:59.16 | Walex | pbase: in any case using the speaker as a pseudo sound card gives terrible quality. |
| 12:59.21 | pbase | Walex: how can I fix it? |
| 12:59.52 | Walex | pbase: oh please "fix it" is such an ambiguous question... |
| 13:00.07 | pbase | Walex: I mean make it working |
| 13:00.34 | Walex | pbase: I have given you all the elements to investigate what is happening and then you need to choose how to use the speaker. |
| 13:00.52 | Walex | pbase: "make it working" means several different thing. |
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| 13:01.36 | pbase | If you donot know, please say so instead of ridiculing me. |
| 13:02.49 | Walex | pbase: when doing system integration of complicated systems you are expected to have a bit of initiative even as to defining what "make it working" means for you. |
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| 13:03.20 | omarek | Hey, is there a good channel to talk about mail clients, filtering, maildrop, procmail etc ? |
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| 13:03.36 | Walex | pbase: do you want to use it as a beeper? As a pseudo sound card? As the *default* pseudo sound card? In ALSA? In PulseAudio? etc etc |
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| 13:05.12 | pbase | Walex: Yes I want to use it as a beeper at startups and shutdowns. It is currently using pulseaudio but alsa is present as well. |
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| 13:05.44 | pbase | Walex: Also inside the environment, I want it to play audio files |
| 13:06.21 | Walex | pbase: does your PC have any builtin sound chip? Because using the speaker as a pseudo sound card is terrible. |
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| 13:07.17 | Walex | pbase: for example, what do you see when you run 'pavucontrol'>? |
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| 13:09.07 | petn-randall | bloons: Yes, I think the right way is 'iptables -t nat -L -vn'. |
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| 13:10.16 | pbase | Walex: http://paste.debian.net/114150/. pavucontrol is not installed |
| 13:10.23 | bloons | petn-randall: Looks likt this:http://paste.debian.net/114151/ |
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| 13:11.01 | Walex | pbase: you can install it, and without it using PulseAudio is rather painful |
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| 13:11.51 | Walex | pbase: what you pasted shows that your PC has got a builtin sound card. Does your PC also have a greenish jack socket? |
| 13:12.30 | pbase | Walex: It is a laptop. Two jacks only. Audio out and Microphone. Install pavucontrol |
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| 13:12.41 | Walex | pbase: BTW the lowest level drivers for the speaker are 'pcspkr' or 'snd-pcsp' |
| 13:12.44 | pbase | Walex: Installed pavucontrol |
| 13:12.54 | Walex | pbase: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=73245 |
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| 13:13.46 | zikoz | Hello, I got a fun issue which I never had before... |
| 13:13.49 | Walex | pbase: you are also omitting several useful details. for example the type of PC you have and what you want to achieve. |
| 13:14.07 | zikoz | iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT is supposed to allow a response to an outgoing connection to go through iptables even with input blocked |
| 13:14.14 | zikoz | But it's not working |
| 13:14.32 | Walex | zikoz: #Netfilter please, for my peace and tranquility :-) |
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| 13:15.26 | zikoz | ahh k |
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| 13:18.37 | pbase | Walex: It is a laptop and not a pc. I want to be be able to hear audio files from the speaker. (which is lacking at the moment), apart from it, I want to be able to use the headphones as I am for playback |
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| 13:19.45 | Walex | pbase: do you realize that if your laptop has speakers they have nothing to do with the PC speaker that does the beeping? |
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| 13:20.28 | Walex | pbase: instead your laptop speaker and headphone plug are connected to your intel HDA style soundcard. |
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| 13:21.24 | Walex | pbase: so probably you want to disable both 'pcspkr' and 'snd-pcsp' if they are enabled, and to ensure that your intel HDA style soundchip is enabled and configured |
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| 13:22.43 | Walex | pbase: however there are *many* varieties of Intel HDA style soundchips, and several of these variants are not supported or require some tricky configuration to work, especially under Debian 7/Squeeze that by default uses a relatively old kernel. |
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| 13:23.34 | pbase | Walex - here -http://paste.debian.net/114156/ . Please see here - http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx |
| 13:23.48 | Walex | pbase: perhaps you will need to install a backported kernel with newer drivers if your laptop is recent |
| 13:24.06 | Walex | pbase: if you search for "debian alsa configuration" on Google there are several guides listed |
| 13:24.08 | pbase | Walex: it is 3 years old and sound used to work with 2.6 |
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| 13:26.41 | Walex | pbase: then probably you don't need a newer kernel, but perhaps you will need some special options to the 'snd-hda-intel' module (my laptop does need two). |
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| 13:27.28 | Walex | pbase: but first check with both ALSA tools and 'pavucontrol' whether the Intel HDA sound chip is visible and is the default output. |
| 13:27.35 | pbase | Walex: the higher kernels should be compatible for sound. Wouldn't they? |
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| 13:28.25 | Walex | pbase: yes, but not necessarily *backward* compatible. If they support more varieties of a chip, the default variety can chance. |
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| 13:29.14 | virtuals | hey petern_, you tried to help me out with setting my keymap in my debian lxde last week, I found the problem and the solution, problem is a bug with cordless logihtech keyboard, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/995715, solution is to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, edit this line: #display-setup-script= to display-setup-script=/usr/bin/setxkbmap fi then you get your keymap loaded correctly |
| 13:29.14 | virtuals | for the login screen and OS |
| 13:29.43 | virtuals | just for your information, since no one here suggested that |
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| 13:30.41 | pbase | Walex: alsamixer has pulseaudio as the default card. but intel hda pch (with conexant chip) is also there in the list |
| 13:30.43 | Walex | virtuals: that's useful, but IRC is not good for narrow issues. |
| 13:30.50 | Walex | pbase: that's good |
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| 13:31.17 | Walex | pbase: then use 'pavucontrol' (outputs tab) to see the current PulseAudio routing |
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| 13:32.06 | Walex | pbase: and you can use 'alsamixer' and then select the Intel sound card to set the sound levels to non-zero |
| 13:32.13 | pbase | Walex: its set to builtin audio analog stereo with sound levels at the middle of the slider |
| 13:32.27 | pbase | Walex: they are already set to the max |
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| 13:35.13 | pbase | Walex: http://paste.debian.net/114160/ |
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| 13:37.24 | Walex | pbase: so if you do 'speaker-test' and then 'speaker-test -D plughw:0' what do you hear? |
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| 13:39.07 | ratdeptrai | What's a reasonable desktop/window-manager for a relatively naive user who is used to Gnome-2, nothing fancy just basic, and for old/slow hardware? Basically just need a minimized-windows panel, icons on the desktop, and a menu of applications to launch. Any ideas? |
| 13:39.20 | bacons_ | @ratdeptrai xfce |
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| 13:39.49 | jelly | bacons_: can it do both desktop icons _and_ minimized icons at the same time? |
| 13:40.03 | jelly | 4.4 couldn't |
| 13:40.35 | petn-randall | ratdeptrai: xfce is a reasonable alternative to gnome2, using it myself. |
| 13:40.37 | jelly | other than that, yes, xfce is gtk2 based and similar to gnome2 |
| 13:40.53 | Walex | ratdeptrai: XFCE, LXDE, FVWM2, OpenBox |
| 13:41.08 | petn-randall | jelly: Do people still use icons on their desktop for minimized apps? |
| 13:41.19 | jelly | petn-randall: ratdeptrai just asked for those. |
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| 13:41.36 | bacons_ | jelly: afaik it does minimized desktop icons as well as panel |
| 13:41.37 | jelly | well, a panel with those |
| 13:41.40 | ratdeptrai | petn-randall: She just needs icons on the desktop to open documents, launch apps, etc. The minimized would be in the panel. |
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| 13:41.48 | pbase | Walex: No sounds. This is the result with profile set to off in config of pavucontrol - http://paste.debian.net/114161/ |
| 13:41.53 | jelly | ratdeptrai: yeah, that works |
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| 13:42.02 | ratdeptrai | Do I install XFCE by starting with a no-X install, then 'apt-get install xfce-desktop'? Do I need to install other packages to get the panel, menu, etc.? |
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| 13:42.06 | jelly | !install xfce |
| 13:42.07 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies» To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
| 13:43.07 | ratdeptrai | jelly: ok, thanks. |
| 13:43.30 | pbase | Walex: With the profil set to analog stero duplex in config tab of pavucontrol - I get - http://paste.debian.net/114162/ |
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| 13:44.01 | bloons | petn-randall: Did you see the paste? plis |
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| 13:45.37 | ratdeptrai | She wants to just drag-and-drop documents e.g. from a file-manager onto the desktop. Since I hardly use the GUI I normally run awesome so I'm not familiar with what's available, and the direction that Gnome & KDE have gone is not workable for her, she's just a naive user and can't handle all the effects and other strangeness. |
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| 13:46.49 | bacons_ | ratdeptrai: try xfce it's very friendly for windows users |
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| 13:49.30 | ratdeptrai | bacons_: She's a windows (& MacOS) virgin, only ever used Gnome-2, but that's probably about right. Openbox is similar I think, doesn't LXDE use Openbox? Anyhow, I just need to choose something and make an install, I don't have time to try out a lot of different options. |
| 13:49.51 | pbase | Walex: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=114943&p=542725&hilit=C200#p542725 |
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| 13:50.58 | ratdeptrai | I guess I'll give XFCE a whirl. She's gonna kill me for making her try so many different things, I already had her try to get used to Gnome-3 and KDE-4, with disastrous results. |
| 13:51.41 | ratdeptrai | Thanks for the advice. |
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| 13:51.54 | petn-randall | bloons: Looks normal. I don't know why your ping times out then. |
| 13:52.08 | petn-randall | bloons: If you run 'host <yourip>', does that timeout, too? |
| 13:52.49 | bloons | Command not found. |
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| 13:53.58 | pbase | Walex: Do you suggest I remove pulseaudio completely from the system? |
| 13:54.07 | petn-randall | bloons: apt-get install bind9-host |
| 13:54.09 | Walex | pbase: no |
| 13:54.19 | Walex | pbase: if speaker-test -D plughw:0 |
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| 13:55.30 | pbase | Walex: Cannot hear any pulses/sounds on execution of the command |
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| 13:56.12 | bloons | not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 13:56.17 | pbase | Walex: if I plugin the headphones I hear noise |
| 13:56.28 | Walex | pbase: if 'speaker-test -D plughw:0' shows no sound, and does not cycle between left and right channels, you have an alsa issue |
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| 13:56.47 | Walex | pbase: if you hear noise, switch the output from headphones to speaker in 'alsamixer' |
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| 13:57.22 | vuiiiiiiiiiiiic | http://bet-tips.cogia.net/?ref=1810 |
| 13:58.23 | pbase | Walex: the noise is audible in the headphones (not coming from laptop builtin speakers), but only in the left channel. as in the paste |
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| 13:58.37 | pbase | it seems like an alsa issue as you are saying |
| 13:58.56 | pbase | Walex: no such option to switch the output in alsamixer |
| 13:58.57 | bloons | okay, I have to go but I will log in in about a hour and see if you have responded. |
| 13:59.27 | klaxa|work | i have some problems compiling a kernel without modules, here are config and compile log: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1d9b8ebd77dd61929bee |
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| 13:59.48 | klaxa|work | when i try to set CONFIG_MODULES=n in .config it gets overwritten by unsetting CONFIG_MODULES |
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| 14:00.22 | Walex | pbase: have you considered 'man speaker-test' and perhaps then 'speaker-test -c 2 -D plughw:0'? |
| 14:00.51 | Walex | pbase: if you have no option to use the speakers in 'alsamixer', that's unfortunate |
| 14:01.48 | Walex | pbase: unless the laptop soundchip is wired strangely and then you need to investigate the mixer options of the 'snd-hda-intel' module to find those for your particular variant |
| 14:01.54 | pbase | Walex: as far as I remember it used to be there in the older kernel until one fine day it started to automatically switch sound between speaker and heaphones on inserting the headphones |
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| 14:02.34 | Walex | pbase: automatic switching only works if the driver recognized which variant of the soundchip it is... |
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| 14:04.53 | Walex | pbase: the options I use are called 'model=....' and 'position_fix=....' |
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| 14:06.15 | pbase | Walex: whatis the number for position fix you use |
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| 14:07.42 | Walex | pbase: we don't have the same laptop.... :-) |
| 14:07.55 | NCS_One | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/114171/ |
| 14:08.08 | pbase | Walex: http://paste.debian.net/114173/ |
| 14:08.12 | NCS_One | ChrisH: sorry for taking soo long |
| 14:08.16 | Resilience | I'm having trouble with qemu, I have imaged a hard disk with two partitios with dd, but not imaged the third partition (swap) and when I'm running qemu it gives me an error, what can I do to simulat the swap partition? |
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| 14:08.54 | pbase | Resilience: You can use a swap file instead |
| 14:09.03 | Resilience | pbase mmm how? |
| 14:09.50 | frostschutz | Resilience, how did you image it? |
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| 14:10.05 | pbase | Resilience: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/swap#Swap_file_creation |
| 14:10.43 | frostschutz | Resilience, if it was dd if=/dev/hdd count=12345, then your partition table is probably pointing at something that doesn't exist and you have to adapt it... or make the image itself larger |
| 14:10.59 | Walex | pbase: that's good, but do some web searches for the appropriate values, looking for similar soundchips |
| 14:11.58 | Walex | pbase: BTW my values are "ideapad" and "1" even if it is a Toshiba Satellite Pro. |
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| 14:13.27 | pbase | Walex: brb. rebooting |
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| 14:13.40 | Resilience | frostschutz, it was imaged 15 dias ago and I don't remeber sorry |
| 14:13.48 | Resilience | pbase thabks, reading |
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| 14:16.27 | z0la | hi i'm running debian VPS and i need to limit users only to home dir /var/www/site.com i use vsftp i change config to chroot local users to yes but i get eror 500 OOPS refusing to run with writeable root inside chroot() |
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| 14:17.23 | pbase | Walex: seems to work somehow! |
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| 14:18.28 | z0la | someone? :D |
| 14:18.31 | pbase | Walex: will overload it to see outcomes |
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| 14:20.04 | Resilience | does somebody knows where udisk2 are used and for what? |
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| 14:25.28 | pbase | Walex: Yay! It "works" :-). Thank you so much for the help |
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| 14:28.05 | ntz | hello |
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| 14:28.23 | ntz | does anyone experience instant snmpstatus (and probably other utils too) segfaults ? |
| 14:28.28 | ntz | I do |
| 14:28.45 | ntz | wth is with that ? up-to-date version 6.0.9 |
| 14:30.00 | ntz | # dmesg | tail -1 |
| 14:30.00 | ntz | [6746956.062298] snmpstatus[24069]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000401a5f sp 00007fffc0c4fce0 error 4 in snmpstatus[400000+3000] |
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| 14:32.56 | jelly | ntz: are you using /usr/bin/snmpstatus or a custom built binary? show your `dpkg -l snmp libsnmp15|tail -n 2` |
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| 14:44.58 | sgo11 | hi, what can cause /etc/fonts/local.conf not working ? my terminal uses monospace font which is not the one I configured in local.conf. I use the same file in other PCs which don't have any problems. thanks. |
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| 14:46.50 | sgo11 | will this happen when LANG is not en_US.UTF-8 ? |
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| 14:47.49 | supaplex | how can I find out if http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/davem/net-next.git/commit/?id=7b70176421993866e616f1cbc4d0dd4054f1bf78 exists in Package: linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 Version: 3.2.57-3 ? |
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| 14:47.55 | centrx | sgo11, is local.conf really the configuration file nowadays? |
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| 14:48.36 | sgo11 | centrx, I used local.conf all the time. I have this file in many other PCs. other PCs work very well. |
| 14:48.51 | sgo11 | their environments are the same except the LANG is different. |
| 14:49.18 | petn-randall | supaplex: You can do 'apt-get source linux-image-3.2.0' and check if the patch was applied. |
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| 14:49.35 | sgo11 | centrx, if you think local.conf is not what I should use, where should I configure monospace and sans-serif family then? thanks. |
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| 14:51.33 | SWAT | I want to make some specific settings of my cfq (IO scheduler) persistent across reboots. Usually I 'cat' the new value into /sys/block/sda/queue/iosched/... but I wonder what the nicest way is to make it persistent. sysctl doesn't touch /sys AFAIK, maybe it could be done via udev or should I just use rc.local? The latter just doesn't seem 'nice' enough. |
| 14:51.42 | centrx | sgo11, I don't know much about it. I just know that configuration file names/paths change over time and over distributions and saw a few suggestions online that happened with these font config files |
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| 14:52.00 | mtn | sgo11: this might help: https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts |
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| 14:53.22 | Walex | SWAT: 'cfq' is a very buggy scheduler. |
| 14:53.32 | sgo11 | the reason I am confused is all environments are the same. Other PCs work well. but this one doesn't. the only difference is I use different locale in this PC. |
| 14:53.38 | Walex | SWAT: anyhow use 'rc.local' and a set of 'echo' commands |
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| 14:54.27 | Walex | sgo11: '/etc/fonts/local.conf' does not work when it is not referenced in '/etc/fonts/fonts.conf' |
| 14:54.37 | Walex | sgo11: "ses monospace font which is not the one I configured in local.conf |
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| 14:54.53 | SWAT | Walex: why do you say it's buggy? I'm curious (thanks for your rc.local advise) |
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| 14:55.12 | Walex | sgo11: "ses monospace font which is not the one I configured in local.conf" why does this mnake you think that "/etc/fonts/local.conf not working"? |
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| 14:55.48 | Walex | SWAT: it is a long story, but basically 'cfq' often buffers IO of one type or another too much, starving reads or writes. |
| 14:55.58 | sgo11 | Walex, so what does it mean? I compared fonts.conf in different PCs, they are the same. |
| 14:56.00 | jelly | SWAT, Walex: package sysfsutils has a /etc/sysfs.conf config file, put stuff there instead of making an ad-hoc rc.local setup |
| 14:57.07 | Walex | sgo11: what makes you think that '/etc/fonts/local.conf' is the only way the font can be set? |
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| 14:58.10 | sgo11 | Walex, Other PCs have the same setup. and they are working. so I am confused. I was thinking maybe my configuration is overwrite by some other configured files. but I have no idea where to debug this issue. |
| 14:58.37 | Walex | sgo11: "I have no idea where to debug this issue" is a different approach... |
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| 14:58.59 | Walex | sgo11: perhaps you would like to ask how to debug font selection issues... |
| 14:59.17 | sgo11 | Walex, can you please help me on this issue? I have spent 5 hours on this issue already. thanks. |
| 14:59.19 | babilen | sgo11: console-setup and console-data installed? |
| 14:59.22 | Kalios | does anyone know if the iscsi server has problems with an image being used on multiple computers since from what im understanding it "has no file locking", it does not containt an OS |
| 14:59.54 | Walex | Kalios: very very very funny question :-) |
| 15:00.06 | sgo11 | babilen, yeah. |
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| 15:00.25 | babilen | ack |
| 15:00.36 | SWAT | jelly: isn't that package deprecated (or on the edge of being old and unused?) |
| 15:00.46 | Walex | sgo11: try 'fc-list -v monospace' |
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| 15:01.17 | Walex | sgo11: also look at 'fc-match' |
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| 15:02.52 | Walex | sgo11: also look at the 'FC_DEBUG' variable in http://www.freedesktop.org/software/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html |
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| 15:03.53 | sgo11 | Walex, I tried "fc-list -v monospace" in both working machine and non-working machine. both returns nothing. |
| 15:04.40 | Walex | sgo11: and did you try 'fc-match' instead? |
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| 15:04.59 | Walex | sgo11: in an ideal world people asking for help here would be showing some initiative :-) |
| 15:06.23 | Walex | sgo11: font management in X11 and outside X11 is rather complex, and GNU/Linux systems usually have at least 4 different font systems, configured in completely different ways... |
| 15:06.23 | sgo11 | Walex, I tried 'fc-match'. sorry not mentioning it. in working machine, it shows the sans-serif font I setup in local.conf. this is weird because the terminal is using monospace. in non-working machine, it shows something completely different, it shows DroidSans.ttf which I don't have it in local.conf. |
| 15:06.24 | jelly | SWAT: I haven't heard about that, do you have a reference? |
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| 15:06.52 | Walex | sgo11: I don't think that "non-working machine" means what you think you mean. |
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| 15:07.33 | sgo11 | Walex, I am reading the links you gave me. |
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| 15:07.38 | Walex | sgo11: good good |
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| 15:08.09 | Walex | sgo11: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxFonts.html |
| 15:08.16 | Walex | sgo11: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Cfg/Fontconfig/ |
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| 15:09.19 | sgo11 | Walex, how to use the variable FC_DEBUG? I don't understand. |
| 15:09.37 | Walex | sgo11: env FC_DEBUG=$VALUE fc-match .... |
| 15:10.46 | SWAT | jelly: http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/15627232/dir/opensuse/com/sysfsutils-32bit-2.1.0-139.1.x86_64.rpm.html (non-debian package/description) |
| 15:11.01 | Walex | sgo11: for example in your case 'env FC_DEBUG=1024 fc-match monospace' might be interesting. :-) |
| 15:11.53 | Walex | sgo11: also 'env FC_DEBUG=1 fc-match monospace | less' might be interesting |
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| 15:12.36 | sgo11 | Walex, thanks. I am doing it. |
| 15:13.52 | jelly | SWAT: ok, so upstream may be dead, but debian package is not orphaned, and you wouldn't be using this as a library so that part of the desciption does not apply |
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| 15:14.39 | sgo11 | Walex, I can confirm that it does load my local.conf file. checking... |
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| 15:15.33 | sgo11 | they match differently in the end... |
| 15:16.50 | Walex | sgo11: does it load *only* your 'local.conf'? |
| 15:17.32 | SWAT | jelly: it's useable, very true. But since upstream is dead already, I can better migrate to a non-dead solution (rc.local is one of them). If you wait until a package get orphaned, you're a bit late ;-) |
| 15:17.33 | Walex | jelly: SWAT: I don't use '/etc/sysctl.conf' as I object to '/etc/init.d/sysfsutils' which is a typically creepy script :-) |
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| 15:17.53 | sgo11 | Walex, both load fonts.conf, local.conf, /etc/fonts/conf.d/* |
| 15:17.56 | SWAT | Walex: sysctl.conf is for /proc, not /sys |
| 15:18.00 | redguy | hi, what is the format of initrd in jessie ? |
| 15:18.01 | redguy | LC_ALL=C zcat /boot/initrd.img-3.14-1-amd64 > /dev/null |
| 15:18.02 | redguy | gzip: /boot/initrd.img-3.14-1-amd64: not in gzip format |
| 15:18.27 | redguy | $ LC_ALL=C file /boot/initrd.img-3.14-1-amd64 |
| 15:18.27 | redguy | /boot/initrd.img-3.14-1-amd64: ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC) |
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| 15:18.55 | sgo11 | Walex, let me pastebin both outputs. |
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| 15:19.08 | Walex | SWAT: I meant the other one... |
| 15:19.10 | redguy | if I extract it with cpio I only get a kernel/x86/microcode/GenuineIntel.bin file |
| 15:19.26 | redguy | what is there a way to get the initrd contents now ? |
| 15:19.32 | Walex | jelly: SWAT: what I use is rc.local where I define a simple function like 'echosys() { test -f "$2" && echo "$1" > "$2"; }' or variant |
| 15:19.33 | petn-randall | redguy: If you have microcode installed, it's doubly cpio'd. Let me get the bug report out |
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| 15:20.08 | petn-randall | redguy: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=722318 |
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| 15:20.27 | redguy | petn-randall: the kernel/x86/microcode/GenuineIntel.bin file is pretty small |
| 15:21.08 | redguy | petn-randall: ah, it seems that is the bug I am hitting |
| 15:21.09 | redguy | thanks! |
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| 15:21.43 | petn-randall | redguy: You're welcome! Hit that bug, too, so I remembered :) |
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| 15:22.50 | sgo11 | Walex, this is the one works: http://pastebin.de/128998 this is the one doesn't: http://pastebin.de/128999 |
| 15:23.07 | jelly | Walex: yeah, it ought to be #!/usr/bin/awk instead <g> |
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| 15:24.05 | jelly | Walex: I'm more of a "someone already wrote that and it's packaged, so I may as well use it" |
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| 15:26.12 | redguy | aah, a nice workaround there too |
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| 15:26.35 | redguy | petn-randall: thanks again :-) |
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| 15:28.15 | sgo11 | Walex, can I put local.conf to ~/ directory, so it will overwrite all other configs? |
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| 15:32.34 | JasonWoof | can I get chromium to stop stealing the focus when it loads a new tab? |
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| 15:32.58 | JasonWoof | I'm trying to type in another window and it keeps stealing keyboard focus |
| 15:33.51 | somiaj | Have you tried to DestroyFunc UrgencyFunc |
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| 15:37.21 | sgo11 | Walex, I found the problem. After removing 69-language-selector-zh*, it works. As I said in the beginning, the only difference btw the two PCs are the LANG setup. that is causing the problem. |
| 15:38.23 | somiaj | JasonWoof: oh this isn't #fvwm, anyways, depending on your window manager you will have to disable chromium's use of hints. It may or may not be possible depending on your wm |
| 15:38.57 | JasonWoof | somiaj: You're suggesting that I tell my WM to ignore urgency hints right? |
| 15:39.08 | JasonWoof | I think I can do that (I'm running spectrwm) |
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| 15:39.17 | somiaj | JasonWoof: I belive that is what chromium is using |
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| 15:41.29 | Ziv1 | hi there |
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| 15:45.13 | JasonWoof | hmmm... spectrwm has a setting "urgent_enabled" but it just toggles a widget in the top bar (which seems to show which workspaces have urgent windows in them) |
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| 15:46.42 | Ziv1 | I just installed debian 7 as my main os |
| 15:46.45 | Ziv1 | and there is no sound |
| 15:47.00 | Ziv1 | any ideas? |
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| 15:47.35 | greycat | Run alsamixer and make sure the output channels are unmuted? |
| 15:47.41 | petn-randall | Hi Ziv1, did you try several apps? Did you check audio mixer if the channels are on and have enough volume? |
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| 15:49.01 | Ziv1 | I haven't done anything yet to make it work |
| 15:49.02 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 15:49.02 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 15:49.17 | Ziv1 | I thought it detects the sound card automatically |
| 15:49.31 | Ziv1 | just ran alsamixer it doesn't seem muted |
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| 15:50.24 | Ziv1 | oh |
| 15:50.37 | Ziv1 | when I'm selecting my auto card it says: |
| 15:50.47 | Ziv1 | cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument |
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| 15:55.23 | Ziv1 | any ideas? |
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| 15:57.10 | petn-randall | Ziv1: Did you go through the checklist that dpkg wrote? |
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| 15:58.03 | Ziv1 | audio group? |
| 15:58.20 | greycat | type "id" to see which groups you are in |
| 15:58.53 | Ziv1 | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 15:58.58 | greycat | Don't do this as root. |
| 15:59.08 | centrx | or at home |
| 15:59.18 | Ziv1 | audio's in there |
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| 16:00.02 | greycat | (If it were a permissions problem I would have expected "Operation not permitted" or "Permission denied", not "Invalid argument") |
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| 16:00.44 | Mysterytrain | I'm just about to connect one of my ethernet cards directly to the modem and I think I need to clone the old router's mac address before I can get a connection. is this done in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:00.49 | Ziv1 | pulseaudio? |
| 16:01.23 | Ziv1 | pulseaudio |
| 16:01.23 | Ziv1 | E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running. |
| 16:01.23 | Ziv1 | E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. |
| 16:01.30 | Ziv1 | is that a good thing? |
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| 16:12.30 | behrad | I cant uderstand how debugfs command works. can anyone suggest me good document about filesystem and debugfs command? |
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| 16:16.25 | Walex | behrad: debugfs is not really a filesystem, it is a kernel API like 'sysfs' or 'procfs', |
| 16:16.49 | Walex | behrad: and there are HOWTOs and tutorials on using it, just web search |
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| 16:18.16 | behrad | Walex, I want to use debugfs to recover file. but i didnt understand it output like logdump and lsdel never print dleted file |
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| 16:20.16 | sgo11 | Walex, not sure if you are still there, I gotta go. Thank you very much for your help. |
| 16:20.38 | Walex | sgo11: still here, happy to see you have found the issue. |
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| 16:21.03 | sgo11 | Walex, thanks a lot. :) |
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| 16:26.43 | behrad | Walex, I dont have questions about debugfs that is debuging system for kernle. I want debugfs: ext2/3/4 debuger filesystem |
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| 16:28.30 | Walex | behrad: are you a deeply knowleadgeable filesystem expert with in depth understanding of 'ext' filesystem layout? |
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| 16:29.32 | Walex | behrad: or do you instead want to wreck a filesystem? :-) |
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| 16:30.13 | behrad | Walex, I know little about it. this is exactly i want know. what knowlege must i know when i want work with debugfs |
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| 16:31.00 | Walex | behrad: suppose it may take you a few months or years of study... |
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| 16:32.34 | Walex | behrad: or are you looking for the equivalent of "neurosurgery by correpondence in 21 easy steps" style introductions? |
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| 16:42.03 | dexta | evening |
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| 16:43.35 | behrad | Walex, sorry for too late. no im lpic1 instructure and im study lpic2 know. but i dont have any leader in my town. I need base document |
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| 17:08.27 | junka | vlc does not play youtube videos |
| 17:08.52 | junka | something to do with youtube api |
| 17:09.15 | greycat | if they're in .flv format, mplayer should be able to play them |
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| 17:09.37 | junka | greycat: i am interested in downloading them |
| 17:09.39 | junka | :3 |
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| 17:09.55 | junka | plus convert them e.g. mp3 |
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| 17:10.26 | greycat | Oh, if you want a downloader, there are some firefox extensions. |
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| 17:11.18 | jaybe | youtube-dl |
| 17:11.19 | RLa | should files in ~/Maildir be owned by someone else than the user? |
| 17:11.52 | greycat | They should be owned by whatever user's maildir that is. |
| 17:12.16 | jaybe | junka, https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ |
| 17:12.30 | RLa | yet procmail puts files there owned by root |
| 17:12.57 | greycat | Why are you using procmail to deliver to a maildir? |
| 17:13.19 | jaybe | (and as root) ;p |
| 17:13.25 | junka | jaybe: thanks but i prefer to use packages from the repos |
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| 17:14.48 | junka | !backports |
| 17:14.48 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 17:15.00 | RLa | greycat, to filter spam messages into separate folder |
| 17:15.16 | RLa | jaybe, i have no idea where root user kicks in |
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| 17:15.46 | greycat | RLa: you might have to find a procmail expert, then... I don't know how to make procmail deliver correctly to a maildir |
| 17:15.50 | RLa | jaybe, system-wide procmail rules are ran as root? |
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| 17:16.21 | RLa | tried whole day, did not find anyone |
| 17:16.26 | greycat | not surprising... |
| 17:16.37 | jaybe | RLa, shrug; i'd consider dovecot lmtp+sieve filtering |
| 17:17.00 | greycat | can you at least tell procmail "call this program to deliver the message"? if so, then you could tell procmail to call maildir (from a non-Debian safecat package) |
| 17:17.03 | RLa | sieve is way more sane, i read tutorials for that |
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| 17:17.53 | greycat | (non-Debian because the Debian maintainer of safecat is a fucking moron who broke the package and rejected my patch which fixes it) |
| 17:18.06 | RLa | wtf, isn't procmail the program that is supposed to deliver the message, should there be another layer of indirection? |
| 17:18.22 | greycat | I honestly have no idea what procmail can/cannot do. |
| 17:18.40 | RLa | i think i already have over 10 daemons involved doing mail |
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| 17:21.10 | jelly | fwiw, procmail, at least the one in Debian, can deliver to Maildir. procmailrc(5) says: If the mailbox name ends in "/", then this directory is presumed to be a maildir folder; i.e., procmail will deliver the message to a file in a subdirectory named "tmp" and rename it to be inside a subdirectory named "new". |
| 17:21.20 | greycat | ah, cool |
| 17:22.14 | RLa | it delivers normal mail well just messes up those that go through processing instructions |
| 17:22.34 | junka | what about syncing an ipod touch, has anyone done it successfully? |
| 17:22.45 | RLa | i now put rules into user's procmailrc file |
| 17:22.51 | jelly | keeps an unholy mix of maildir and mbox all in the same ~/Mail/ hierarchy |
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| 17:23.20 | GNU\colossus | if you set up email infrastructure today and use procmail instead of lmtp and sieve, you are, imho, doing it wrong. |
| 17:23.47 | GNU\colossus | and yeah, the legacy setup I admin uses procmail to deliver to Maildir on Debian, so that is possible |
| 17:24.39 | asix3 | hello, I'm trying to run a shell script that calls gst-launch-1.0, but it's telling me all of my commands are not found. in the terminal I can call gst-luanch, gst-inspect, etc. Is there some kind of permission I need to set up somewhere? |
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| 17:25.06 | jelly | agrees with the gnu |
| 17:26.13 | asix3 | scripts are here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=65700&start=25 |
| 17:26.26 | asix3 | I'm trying to run raspirecv-stereo.sh |
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| 17:26.35 | greycat | "command not found" sounds more like PATH got reset |
| 17:26.38 | asix3 | I'm running debian jessie on virtualbox |
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| 17:27.23 | greycat | (or you invoked the script from an environment with a minimalist PATH in the first place, like crontab or something) |
| 17:27.46 | asix3 | greycat: Yeah, I'm pretty confused about the PATH variable in debian -- I put export PATH=$PATH:/sbin in .bashrc, not sure that's the correct solution |
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| 17:28.00 | greycat | How does the script get run? |
| 17:28.44 | asix3 | greycat: not sure what you mean. I open terminal, go to /scripts and : sh [script] |
| 17:28.51 | RLa | GNU\colossus, Debian's procmail tutorial could mention it :/ |
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| 17:29.06 | greycat | Then it should inherit the PATH from your interactive shell. If it's breaking due to PATH, that means the script is changing PATH. |
| 17:29.27 | greycat | Is there an sudo involved? |
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| 17:30.12 | asix3 | greycat: not in the script. I've tried running the script with: sudo sh [script] |
| 17:30.24 | Greek-Boy | What browser can I use from the command line to access a page taht has drop down list for download? |
| 17:30.24 | greycat | sudo strips the environment, so it might be the problem |
| 17:30.28 | asix3 | greycat: also not seeing PATH or sudo in the script |
| 17:30.33 | Greek-Boy | i tried lynx but the drop down menu doesn't work correctly |
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| 17:31.41 | asix3 | my install is pretty fresh -- is there something I've forgotten to do re: the PATH variable? The only thing I've done is add the export PATH line to .bashrc ; I also messed around with .profile |
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| 17:32.07 | asix3 | I was trying to change the path variable in .profile |
| 17:32.17 | greycat | if you can run gst-launch-1.0 from the interactive shell, but "sh somescript" from that SAME shell fails, then the problem has to be in the script, unless you have set BASH_ENV for some reason (don't do that) |
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| 17:33.28 | asix3 | greycat: I don't believe I've set BASH_ENV -- is there a way I can check? |
| 17:33.43 | greycat | declare -p BASH_ENV |
| 17:33.59 | greycat | (it should say "declare: BASH_ENV: not found") |
| 17:34.01 | GNU\colossus | RLa, which document are you referring to? |
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| 17:34.27 | asix3 | yeah, not found |
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| 17:34.44 | asix3 | can I post this script somewhere? it's pretty short |
| 17:35.05 | greycat | sure, pick a pastebin... |
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| 17:35.13 | asix3 | alright |
| 17:35.23 | ivanshmakov | Whatâd be an easy way to get the stable Debian release a given package (Source:, Version: pair) was first introduced to? |
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| 17:36.30 | ivanshmakov | Iâd use http://snapshot.debian.org/mr/, but it doesnât seem to provide such information. |
| 17:36.38 | greycat | ivanshmakov: ... off the top of my head, you could look at the timestamp at the bottom of the changelog.Debian.gz file and figure out which unstable release that timestamp corresponds to, then pick the stable release which follows it |
| 17:36.43 | asix3 | http://pastebin.com/wU7J0SRt |
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| 17:37.01 | ivanshmakov | greycat: Sounds sensible, indeed. |
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| 17:37.29 | greycat | It might have sat in unstable for a couple releases, though, due to bugs... |
| 17:39.02 | asix3 | hmmm, this may be an issue with distortion.frag file |
| 17:39.10 | jelly | ivanshmakov: grep Packages for each release in archives.debian.org? |
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| 17:39.33 | terr1 | Whats the easiest/safest way to upgrade to openssh 6.2 on wheezy (to get multi factor auth support) ? |
| 17:39.47 | ivanshmakov | jelly: Thatâd be a whole lot of Packages to download, even if I choose to download Sources instead. |
| 17:39.48 | GNU\colossus | terr1, there (probably) is none. |
| 17:39.49 | greycat | asix3: if you're still getting command not found, try running with "sh -x yourscript" to turn on trace mode |
| 17:39.53 | RLa | GNU\colossus, probably was not official debian guide :) |
| 17:40.02 | jelly | ivanshmakov: zgrep, then |
| 17:40.03 | jelly | hides |
| 17:40.05 | Quantum` | I'm running kernel 3.14-1, but I want to compile an app for kernel 3.14-2. Anyone know how to do this? |
| 17:40.20 | RLa | can't find link i used, have read so many articles today |
| 17:40.21 | greycat | asix3: you could also consider putting "declare -p PATH" right before the command that's failing, so you can see what the PATH is |
| 17:40.24 | GNU\colossus | Quantum`, applications rarely, if ever, depend on specific kernel releases |
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| 17:40.36 | greycat | (though declare -p might require bash instead of sh) |
| 17:40.40 | terr1 | GNU\colossus: hm sux.. I wanted to use ssh keys + yubikey combo :/ |
| 17:40.55 | GNU\colossus | terr1, can't you do that with PAM? |
| 17:40.57 | RLa | terr1, you mean kernel module then? |
| 17:41.17 | ivanshmakov | jelly: Rather bzgrep(1), I guess; still way more bandwidth than Iâd actually like to waste. |
| 17:41.19 | Quantum` | GNU\colossus: Ok you caught me, it's a module. |
| 17:41.21 | RLa | provided it actually needs one |
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| 17:41.54 | terr1 | GNU\colossus: as far as I know you can use both ssh keys and pam? (im a n00b, so hope I'm wrong) |
| 17:42.03 | ivanshmakov | greycat: The most easy case would be if the top changelog.Debian entry matches \<stable\>; sadly, itâs rarely the case. |
| 17:42.24 | Quantum` | I tried ./configure --with-linux=/usr/src/linux-headers-3.14-2, but then the compile fails. |
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| 17:43.39 | greycat | Quantum`: might be more appropriate to ask the module author (or support channel) |
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| 17:44.00 | greycat | unless it's something that debian users commonly build, in which case we might know |
| 17:44.25 | asix3 | i'm new to bash scripting and not sure what to make of this output: http://pastebin.com/GC3KLg4u |
| 17:44.27 | Quantum` | It's just about compiling something for a different kernel. |
| 17:44.55 | greycat | asix3: that looks like carriage return problems. If the file was ever on a Windows system, try doing a dos2unix on it. |
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| 17:45.11 | greycat | asix3: either the script, or that .frag file, or both |
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| 17:47.28 | asix3 | greycat: YES! that was it -- thanks! |
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| 18:02.35 | Resilience | I'm trying to run with qemu a dd disk image, with qemu -hda ./file.img and it does not work, anybody can help me? |
| 18:03.26 | Resilience | qmeu asys resume: could not tsta the resume device file '/dev/sda3' |
| 18:03.32 | Resilience | says* |
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| 18:04.42 | greycat | ./file.img and /dev/sda3 are very different things |
| 18:05.17 | Resilience | greycat, I know, but I don't know waht's happening |
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| 18:07.06 | Resilience | greycat, do you undrstand what's going wrong there? |
| 18:07.16 | greycat | are you giving it a file, or a partition? |
| 18:07.24 | greycat | Not that I know much about qemu. |
| 18:07.38 | Resilience | greycat, it is a dd'ed file |
| 18:08.21 | greycat | So, did you dd it with of=file.img or with of=/dev/sda3 or what? |
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| 18:09.11 | Resilience | greycat i did... on emoment, search it in .bash_historuy (it was 15 days ago) |
| 18:09.26 | tete_ | hi, i would like to know if it is possible to install debian wheezy on a regular system, then put in 2 more hard drives (same models) and create a raid 5? or is it better/easier to first create the raid, then install it onto the raid and hope everything works? |
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| 18:09.36 | tete_ | btw. a software raid with mdadm |
| 18:10.00 | greycat | For RAID != 1 I think you'll need all the disks installed first. |
| 18:10.08 | greycat | RAID 5 is not just a mirror of an existing disk. |
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| 18:11.02 | Resilience | greycat, dd if=/dev/sdc conv=sync,noerror bs=64K of=./sdc.img, an dnow to run that image I do qemu -hda ./sdc.img |
| 18:11.11 | tete_ | i know, but is there no way to create a raid 5 that way? |
| 18:11.40 | greycat | Resilience: ok, then I have no idea where the /dev/sda3 in the error comes from, unless partition 3 of the original /dev/sdc source disk was somehow messed up |
| 18:11.42 | tete_ | i mean.. its not recovery, it is creating it, just like as if i would have installed debian on it |
| 18:12.14 | Resilience | greycat, it was the swap partition, maybe that? |
| 18:12.35 | greycat | maybe #qemu is a better place to ask this |
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| 18:12.49 | Resilience | greycat, maybe, but it is silent at all xD |
| 18:13.51 | greycat | tete_: during installation onto an md RAID set, the md devices are created first, so that the file systems can be properly striped on top of them... |
| 18:14.29 | tete_ | hm ok, so looks like its better to re-install debian |
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| 18:16.44 | TJ- | Resilience: The problem is not from QEMU, it is from the kernel, because /dev/sda3 was the saved hibernation file device when the image was created |
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| 18:17.21 | Resilience | TJ-, ahm sorry, what do you mean? |
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| 18:17.38 | TJ- | Resilience: You've copied an existing bootable disk, yes? |
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| 18:17.45 | Resilience | TJ-, yes |
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| 18:19.04 | TJ- | Resilience: In that image, the kernel command-line likely has a reference to the resume device ... but in the VM the virtual disk is known by a different name. check the image, see what the bootloader options for the kernel command-line are |
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| 18:19.33 | TJ- | Resilience: alternatively if it uses GRUB hold down Shift as the VM boots and edit the kernel command line via GRUB |
| 18:20.02 | Resilience | TJ-, but it was not resumed.. I thik... |
| 18:20.41 | Resilience | TJ-, where do I look for kernel command line? in /boot/ where? |
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| 18:20.58 | greycat | /proc/cmdline |
| 18:21.26 | greycat | (which might be unavailable if you can't boot the image) |
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| 18:22.49 | TJ- | Resilience: If you're looking at the non-live /boot/ file system, then you want "/boot/grub/grub.cfg" |
| 18:22.58 | Resilience | greycat, it is unavailable |
| 18:23.23 | greycat | TJ-: assuming the user didn't manually change the boot command from the console... |
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| 18:25.37 | Resilience | TJ-, the only problem that I see is that grub is looking for UUID's and not sd's |
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| 18:25.58 | TJ- | Resilience: UUIDs are much safer. |
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| 18:26.25 | Resilience | TJ-, I know but... th work in a qemu? |
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| 18:27.38 | TJ- | greycat: any console edit wouldn't be captured in the boot parameters of the next boot |
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| 18:28.58 | Resilience | TJ-, GREY i HAVE TO LEAVE NOW, WILL BE BACK IN A WHILE, THANK YOU BOTH OF YOU |
| 18:29.08 | TJ- | Resilience: have you got the file.img mounted via loopback? "sudo losetup -/dev/loop2 file.img" then "sudo kpartx -a /dev/loop0" |
| 18:29.24 | TJ- | oops, good job - I typoed :) |
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| 18:30.36 | greycat | TJ-: I thought his file.img was a full disk image, with a partition table inside |
| 18:30.44 | greycat | he copied it from /dev/sdc, he said |
| 18:31.08 | greycat | (also it's academic now since he left) |
| 18:31.34 | TJ- | greycat: Yes, it is. so to read the file-systems he'll need to 'losetup' and 'kpartx -a' in order to be able to mount those file-systems, to explore "/boot/grub/grub/cfg" |
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| 18:32.18 | kpap | I'm behind a tiny fraction of a second |
| 18:32.59 | TJ- | greycat: My guess is the kernel command-line in the grub.cfg has "resume=/dev/sda3" on it, which isn't mapping to a valid device - which of course depends on how that is being presented in QEMU |
| 18:34.28 | TJ- | greycat: The other option is, it is in the initrd.img because some helper scripts are installed |
| 18:35.06 | greycat | this is all black magic to me |
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| 18:56.21 | jhutchins | It seems to me like I see that "could not find resume file" message whenever I boot - I figured it was just saying "looked for resume, didn't find it" because there wasn't one. |
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| 18:57.02 | junka | Is the rep debian backports secure? |
| 18:57.06 | junka | repo* |
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| 18:57.57 | tete_ | when i set up my partition table on the drives, i have in the beginning (before my /boot) 1mb free space, whats that? |
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| 18:58.23 | centrx | junka, It's basically part of the regular Debian repos in a different directory |
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| 18:59.05 | kb231 | centrx: so things installed from wheezy-backports will get security updates? |
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| 19:00.10 | centrx | kb231, No, I was referring only to the security of the files in the repo |
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| 19:01.01 | kb231 | ok, backports don't get security patches |
| 19:02.03 | jhutchins | centrx: I thought they got security updates. |
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| 19:03.10 | junka | yes since the packages get the +deb32421432 thing |
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| 19:13.59 | flexo_ | hello. without any KVM or physical access i decided it would be a good idea to convert the root file system of my dedicated server to btrfs (which, as a module, resides in initramfs) |
| 19:13.59 | BaT | Is it only me, for whom latest OpenSSL update broke nagios/nrpe? |
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| 19:14.28 | flexo_ | so... here i am... it's converted... |
| 19:14.46 | flexo_ | but for some reason it doesn't boot |
| 19:15.10 | flexo_ | i do have dropbear access to the initramfs however |
| 19:15.39 | flexo_ | so. mounting / succeeded. btrfs was already loaded. |
| 19:15.43 | mr_foobar_baz | Hi, I've been using mumble for a while and never had any issues (other than pulseaudio itself crashing). But now I can only hear people for a few seconds after joining the server, and then nothing. As if noone was talking. Then sometimes I hear 1-2 seconds and then nothing again |
| 19:15.48 | flexo_ | why doesn't it boot? |
| 19:15.59 | mr_foobar_baz | I already tried reinstalling it |
| 19:16.10 | mr_foobar_baz | But still nothing. How do I debug that? |
| 19:16.28 | flexo_ | aj |
| 19:16.29 | flexo_ | ah |
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| 19:16.34 | flexo_ | initramfs.debug |
| 19:16.41 | mr_foobar_baz | BaT: Could it be the OpenSSL update? |
| 19:16.47 | flexo_ | okay. it's waiting for /dev/disk/by-uuid/80fa4fac-78cd-448b-ad77-011f3de8c581 to appear |
| 19:16.59 | flexo_ | looks like the uuid changed |
| 19:17.04 | BaT | mr_foobar_baz: It almost certainly is |
| 19:17.18 | mr_foobar_baz | BaT: how? |
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| 19:17.37 | BaT | after upgrade I can't connect to the unupdated servers anymore |
| 19:17.58 | BaT | via nrpe. Neither can I connect to updated servers |
| 19:18.09 | BaT | only working combination is localhost :( |
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| 19:18.26 | mr_foobar_baz | BaT: Well I can connect fine |
| 19:18.41 | mr_foobar_baz | BaT: Only mumble is having issues afaik |
| 19:19.07 | BaT | mr_foobar_baz: Good for you. But I can't. And can't find the way to make it work back |
| 19:19.17 | flexo_ | okay. the UUID is in grub.cfg... where does it come from? |
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| 19:19.34 | flexo_ | (or should i just change my hand now, then boot normally, then update-grub?) |
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| 19:22.54 | ayansh | hi #debian, is there a way to turn on hpdv6 notebook automatically? |
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| 19:23.22 | ayansh | in kern log i have rtc_cmos 00:06: RTC can wake from S4 |
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| 19:25.38 | avri | trying to get publickey ssh authentication working, but it keeps asking for password regardless of adding public key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (yes. permissions are set correctly) http://pastebin.com/7ysKByvy |
| 19:25.46 | ayansh | Product Name: HP Pavilion dv6 Notebook PC |
| 19:25.54 | avri | any idea what's going on? |
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| 19:26.45 | ayansh | avri: your .ssh should have 700 permission on destination server, and authorized_keys 600 |
| 19:26.56 | avri | ayansh - that's what I have |
| 19:27.18 | avri | chmod go-wrx ~ |
| 19:27.19 | ayansh | ssh -vvv destnation-server |
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| 19:27.33 | avri | that's what I've pasted in pastebin |
| 19:27.46 | avri | (with -i, supplying priv key) |
| 19:27.55 | Rehnquist | why can't i join #debian-next? :\ |
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| 19:28.04 | fatih | hi |
| 19:28.09 | mtn | Rehnquist: wrong server? |
| 19:28.16 | Rehnquist | oh right |
| 19:28.25 | fatih | is there any apt-get developer here ? I would like to ask about updating a package from inside the app |
| 19:28.29 | avri | it asks for password to private key, if I type wrong pass for key, it asks again - if I type correct pass, it tries next auth method (password) |
| 19:28.33 | Rehnquist | can i ask questions here tho? |
| 19:28.44 | fatih | Basically the app is going to ask a server and fetch the latest .deb package and install it |
| 19:28.49 | mtn | Rehnquist: about debian? sure. |
| 19:28.59 | Rehnquist | i'm trying to get legacy catalyst to work on testing. seems impossible so far |
| 19:29.23 | fatih | however the app itself is going to upgrade itself, like from version 0.1 to 0.2. Would there be any complications? If yes is there any other better ideas that I could implement? |
| 19:29.25 | mtn | Rehnquist: of course you may not get much help on testing here, but you can try |
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| 19:29.28 | ayansh | avri:ssh-keygen you used some passphrase? |
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| 19:29.51 | avri | I generated key with puttygen |
| 19:29.59 | avri | tried exporting openssh key as well |
| 19:30.20 | avri | private key has a passphrase |
| 19:31.15 | avri | private key permissions are set 600 (otherwise ssh ignores it when doing ssh -i) |
| 19:31.55 | ayansh | what about destination server? ls -ld ~ |
| 19:32.02 | greycat | Did you convert the key from putty format to openssh format? |
| 19:32.11 | greycat | Or vice versa? |
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| 19:33.07 | avri | yes, tried both |
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| 19:33.26 | avri | key source == putty |
| 19:33.44 | avri | exported private as openssh, no luck |
| 19:33.57 | greycat | you changed the PRIVATE key? why? |
| 19:34.17 | avri | exported from puttygen |
| 19:34.24 | greycat | The private key (the whole keypair) should be generated on the system where it will be used, and never transported, if at all possible. |
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| 19:35.03 | avri | well.. I'm trying to debug something, so security of the key isn't important right now |
| 19:35.19 | avri | I am trying to debug why I can't connect with git without a password |
| 19:35.49 | avri | so I copied over my home's private key to the remote server and tried sshing localy with it |
| 19:35.54 | avri | it fails |
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| 19:36.09 | avri | I'll generate new keypair once I get it working |
| 19:36.26 | greycat | Then why is putty involved at all? You're in #debian, so you are presumably using a Debian system. The key pair should be generated on Debian with ssh-keygen, and the public key (not private!) should be copied to the git/ssh server and put in the authorized_keys file, or whatever git needs. |
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| 19:36.49 | greycat | If you have an ssh-agent running, then you would also need to add your key to that, with ssh-add. |
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| 19:37.11 | tete_ | can someone help me setting up my partition layout? i have 3xSSD, just created the raid5, but now i can not say "create a /boot partition on that raid5", there is nothing i can choose |
| 19:37.27 | tete_ | i would like to have an encrypted raid5 with lvm |
| 19:37.46 | avri | well.. I will try with ssh-keygen, but if it works, considering your previous statement - how would I get the key pair to my desktop later? |
| 19:37.50 | tete_ | it just shows me the raid |
| 19:38.07 | avri | the server is Debian, client is windows |
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| 19:38.59 | tete_ | i can now say it should use that raid as: physical volume for encryption (makes no sense as there is currently no /boot) or physical volume for lvm |
| 19:39.17 | greycat | what do you mean, "to your desktop later"? are you not ON your desktop machine now? |
| 19:39.19 | tete_ | but when i say it should use that as lvm, i will face some problems with multiple passwords to enter |
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| 19:40.04 | avri | greycat, I have remote debian server, local desktop pc. desktop runs windows |
| 19:40.28 | avri | trying to get tortoisegit to work with remote debian as a remote git server |
| 19:40.37 | greycat | If the only client you are ever going to use for this purpose is windows, and if you use are using putty (not openssh) on the windows client, then generating the keypair with puttygen is appropriate. Copy the putty public key to the server, convert it to openssh format on the server, and append it to authorized_keys or whatever git uses. |
| 19:41.01 | greycat | I can't help you with putty, or with tortoisegit, or with windows. |
| 19:41.02 | avri | ok... convert to openssh on the server |
| 19:41.44 | avri | how do I convert a putty ppk file to openssh format on Debian? |
| 19:42.05 | avri | on windows I have the puttygen tool, and it allows exporting as openssh format |
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| 19:42.26 | avri | I then copied the converted file to the remote debian server |
| 19:42.28 | greycat | ssh-keygen with -i and -m something |
| 19:42.35 | avri | thanks |
| 19:43.08 | BaT | avri: try 'ssh-keygen -i -m smth' |
| 19:43.15 | BaT | greycat:) |
| 19:43.39 | BaT | avri: Next question - do you really need to convert ppk file? |
| 19:44.21 | BaT | Commonly you want to add publik key of the ppk to authorized-keys |
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| 19:44.49 | greycat | BaT: he's generating it with puttygen which uses a different format |
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| 19:46.28 | BaT | greycat: I can imagine. Just normally don't need to transfer it afterwards |
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| 19:48.19 | greycat | transferring the public key is standard... transferring from windows to debian is unfortunately common |
| 19:48.32 | greycat | You don't want to transport the private key if you can avoid it. |
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| 19:51.25 | avri | ok works - I had to have the public key file converted to openssh format :p |
| 19:51.44 | avri | thanks greycat! |
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| 19:52.33 | tete_ | hmpf |
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| 19:52.50 | tete_ | i get now an error: the attempt to mount a file system with type ext2 in raid1 device #1 at /boot failed. |
| 19:53.08 | tete_ | i created a raid1 for /boot for sda1/sdb1/sdc1 - and the other space should be in raid5 |
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| 19:53.31 | tete_ | when i finish the wizard its complaining |
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| 19:56.19 | avri | ok... regenerated keys, all works like a charm :) |
| 19:56.26 | greycat | awesome |
| 19:56.30 | tete_ | ah ok, problem was the raid1 with 3 disks :P |
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| 19:56.41 | tete_ | instead of 2 disks + 1 spare |
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| 20:01.15 | Sevet | hi, does anyone know where i can find a vagrant box of debian sid? |
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| 20:01.54 | Sevet | there are plenty of wheezy, but the dist-upgrade breaks the /vagrant mount |
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| 20:05.40 | greycat | !vagrant |
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| 20:09.14 | ikus060_ | I'm having issue to boot my laptop T530 with "Discrete card". It hang during the startup. If I set the BIOS option to "Nvidia Optimus" everything is fine. |
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| 20:09.24 | ikus060_ | Any tips where to look at ? |
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| 20:21.30 | jhutchins | !fr |
| 20:21.30 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 20:22.47 | diegoviola | hello |
| 20:23.37 | diegoviola | I recall there was a multimedia repository for debian that has mpv and other programs that are built against ffmpeg and not libav, anyone knows where I can find that repo please? |
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| 20:23.50 | jhutchins | !dmm |
| 20:23.50 | dpkg | deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
| 20:24.03 | diegoviola | ty |
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| 20:29.30 | diegoviola | some people are saying that deb-multimedia.org causes lots of issues |
| 20:29.46 | greycat | !why not dmm |
| 20:29.47 | dpkg | The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>. |
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| 20:56.48 | onorua | guys, I got a problem, when I've tried to install my system on LVM, with manually creating of LVM groups/partitions it doesn't show me my newely created partitions, but only one "lvm" and complain that I did not choose root partition, how can I solve it? |
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| 20:57.36 | greycat | If I remember correctly, you have to create logical volumes within the "lvm" space first, then create & mount file systems on those logical volumes. |
| 20:58.10 | onorua | yes, that's what I've seen last time, but not now.. I'll show you my screenshot just a sec |
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| 20:59.44 | onorua | http://i.imgur.com/g0o4eim.jpg |
| 21:00.00 | ompaul | how do I disable stuff that doesn't seem to be enabled like hmac-md5 it is enabled as ssh -vvv tells me but it is hashed out in ssh_config |
| 21:00.02 | onorua | http://i.imgur.com/XZLAM2O.jpg |
| 21:00.10 | ompaul | thinks I missed something really obvious |
| 21:01.28 | onorua | so the first picture shows my created LVM paritions second one how my "main" screen looks like.. I simply can't tell to use my "root' partition |
| 21:01.33 | greycat | onorua: sorry, I don't remember the exact sequence of keystrokes and screens you have to go through |
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| 21:02.48 | onorua | greycat, I've been installing ubuntu server just yesterday, and everything is the same except the missing screens in debian, I decided to ask you guys here to before I drop a bug to debian installer |
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| 21:03.49 | greycat | The only times I've used LVM during install, it has also been on MD raid, so maybe there's some connection there. |
| 21:04.08 | greycat | Or maybe you just have to select "finish" and go back in to make it re-read the disks... |
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| 21:05.25 | greycat | (Oh, actually that first statement is untrue; my desktop box at home is using LVM but not RAID, so I must have done it at least once, but it was a long time ago.) |
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| 21:17.39 | DX099 | hello, I added a a newly generated root CA to /usr/local/share/ca-../ then ran update-ca-cert command to properly install it on my Debian 7. However, I now want to remove it but "dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificate don't list it, so I can't. What is the "proper" way of removing locally generated self signed certificates ? |
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| 21:30.32 | mad_ | Little brain-twiter quiz: I have a sql script to do some cleanup-things in my postgres database that I want to run via cron. My 'postgres' user locally may execute commands without password. But I keep my "admin-nifty-scripts" under /root/scripts/. If I put m clean.sql in there, the postgres user cannot read the file since it is in /root. |
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| 21:32.04 | mad_ | Now⦠should I put the .sql file somewhere else? Like where? /opt? My admin-scripts are a git repository that I clone on any PC for useful admin tasks - so far /root/scripts/ served pretty well as a folder. Or should I give root trust-access to my postgres database and call the sql file as root? Not sure what the cleanest solution here is. |
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| 21:32.47 | mad_ | And yes, hardly debian related. But could be, if Debian has some file-system rules for such user scripts that I am not aware of or something like this :P |
| 21:32.53 | mad_ | And smart people ofcourse. |
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| 21:33.19 | beepie | i'm looking for a copy of linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae_3.14.7-1~bpo70+1_i386.deb , is there a way for me to see removed mirrored backport kernels from some online archive? |
| 21:33.38 | DX099 | no idea ? |
| 21:33.44 | beepie | really needs to check this |
| 21:33.59 | beepie | DX099, who you talking to? |
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| 21:34.28 | ChibaPet | mad_: man hier and then consider /srv for it. |
| 21:35.04 | ChibaPet | mad_: /usr/local wouldn't be an awful choice either. |
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| 21:35.07 | formorer | beepie: snapshot.debian.org |
| 21:35.10 | DanDare | mad_, I think the better option would be creating that folder somewhere else, like etc/scripts. You can create a group to deal with that folder then add the user to that group |
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| 21:36.02 | beepie | formorer, i'll check that |
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| 21:36.10 | DX099 | beepie, anyone who can help |
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| 21:36.48 | beepie | thanks formorer because he's a true debianer |
| 21:36.52 | mad_ | Thanks for the input. Hmm⦠I'll sleep over it. |
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| 21:45.15 | samthewildone | I'm trying to mount my Note 3 via 3.0USB and get an error. |
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| 22:10.56 | nevermoreraven | I tried to use "firefox -ProfileManager" in terminal without quotes and it just opens the defualt profile instead in enlightenment WM but don't have this problem with gnome |
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| 22:13.33 | joelmo | do anyone know if there is a place I can put a xorg.conf under my user directory so that rules are read at login |
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| 22:16.22 | mtn | joelmo: as far as I know, it does't work that way. what are you really trying to do? |
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| 22:17.21 | joelmo | change caps lock to ctrl permanently, I tried to do this with xmodmap and setxkbdmap but every time I plugin a usb keyboard, these changes don't apply |
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| 22:18.31 | joelmo | mtn, and I was hoping some xorg config could fix this |
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| 22:19.33 | joelmo | the debian way is to put this config under /usr/share somewhere? but can I really make this user specific |
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| 22:22.26 | mtn | joelmo: xorg.conf is always in /etc/X11 and applies to xorg starting, not the user starting |
| 22:23.22 | nkuttler | joelmo: you might want to fire a script on usb events |
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| 22:24.22 | mtn | joelmo: maybe this will help: https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard |
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| 22:26.15 | joelmo | its fine for me if the config is read just every x session but usb event is maybe a better way to do it, thanks |
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| 22:26.54 | koell | Hi. I would like to install debian on my new thinkpad. Is it possible, to switch easily between 7,0 and 8.0? Down/upgrade? |
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| 22:28.34 | mtn | koell: debian supports upgrading versions in place |
| 22:29.11 | koell | downgrading? i still cant decide between wheezy and squeeze :/ |
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| 22:29.24 | mtn | koell: downgrading is not supported |
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| 22:29.40 | koell | mtn: which one do you use? |
| 22:29.54 | mtn | koell: I have wheezy and jessie on this computer |
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| 22:38.02 | ikus060 | I seriously need some help. Using debian Jessie. ThinkPad T530 I can't boot with my Discrete Card. |
| 22:38.31 | zykotick9 | ikus060: you "might" want to try #debian-next on OFTC |
| 22:39.01 | ikus060 | zykotick9: it seams to be on invitation only... |
| 22:39.07 | zykotick9 | koell: (not that it matter to me personally) but i don't think there is a flash propritary for squeeze anymore. just FYI... |
| 22:39.12 | nkuttler | !tell ikus060 about oftc |
| 22:39.17 | zykotick9 | ikus060: oftc not freenode |
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| 22:43.46 | shurtagul | I need some help with my gpu. It's an old computer, so either it cant render 3d, or it's not rendering correctly. I'm not sure where to begin. |
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| 22:44.15 | KM0201 | shurtagul: well, what gpu doo you have.. is a good start |
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| 22:44.58 | shurtagul | "NVIDIA GeForce2 MX/MX 400" I think. |
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| 22:46.10 | KM0201 | shurtagul: yikes.. that is old. |
| 22:46.18 | KM0201 | i think that is supported by the nvidia-legacy driver |
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| 22:46.37 | shurtagul | Yeah. I have another, but I dont think it's much better, if at all. |
| 22:46.40 | KM0201 | are you using wheezy? |
| 22:47.03 | shurtagul | I'm using Jessie |
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| 22:47.12 | KM0201 | .. |
| 22:47.27 | KM0201 | well, you realize stuff is broken constantly, and jessie is unstable, right |
| 22:47.56 | shurtagul | Yes, but wheezy has outdated software, which bugs me. |
| 22:48.09 | KM0201 | you probably need to ask for help in whatever channel is dedicated to jessie... as this forum supports stable releases |
| 22:48.21 | KM0201 | outdated software?.. wheezy was just released a few months ago |
| 22:48.23 | shurtagul | Ok, thanks. |
| 22:48.43 | shurtagul | The repositories |
| 22:49.06 | KM0201 | so you're concerned about an outdated package |
| 22:49.20 | KM0201 | yet you're using a gpu, that is easily 10yrs old (probably more) |
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| 22:51.30 | KM0201 | guess that level of logic gave him a headache |
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| 22:55.02 | joelmo | can I have a folder with udev rules in my home directory? I want to keep them there because im backing up most files under there |
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| 22:56.20 | cafuego | joelmo: You should be backing up /etc anyway. |
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| 22:56.54 | cafuego | joelmo: You could make a symlink to /etc in your homedir, then make the backup software dereference symlinks. |
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| 22:57.45 | joelmo | good idea, thanks cafuego |
| 22:59.05 | cafuego | joelmo: Note, there may be symlinks to large dirs sitting under /etc so it's not necessarily a good idea. |
| 22:59.53 | koell | zykotick9: flash propritary? whats that? you mean adobe flash? |
| 22:59.54 | joelmo | cafuego, I will only symlink dirs i need |
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| 23:00.32 | joelmo | so i can pick /etc/udev /etc/fonts/ etc |
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| 23:05.59 | M3mphiZ | as soon as i but this http://hastebin.com/iyigoheqac.vala into my sshd_config I cant login to the box anymore using ssh. anyone know why? |
| 23:07.02 | zykotick9 | koell: yes "adobe flash" or propietary flash, isn't on squeeze anymore. i'd strongly suggest using wheezy for other reasons though. best of luck. |
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| 23:09.12 | koell | Do i still need a "swap" partition these days? Or just if i would like to use hibernate/suspend? I've 12GB of ram. |
| 23:09.46 | centrx | Might as well have a small swap |
| 23:10.25 | centrx | Otherwise bad things can happen if it ever hits swap |
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| 23:11.07 | koell | centrx: so i dont need to set a 12GB swap then? |
| 23:11.45 | _unreal_ | 12gb swap? thats a lot of swap |
| 23:11.59 | centrx | koell, Pretty sure that restriction was fixed a long time ago |
| 23:12.12 | koell | i've read it is a good choice to set the swap to the same space of the ram :D |
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| 23:13.37 | centrx | koell, Before that the recommendation was 2.5x physical RAM |
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| 23:14.06 | koell | i guess redhat made that convention :D |
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| 23:31.43 | nevermoreraven | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.08 | jpleau | Is it possible to swap from nouveau => nvidia and vice-versa without rebooting? From what I can see I could use a script to stop gdm, rmmod nouveau, modprobe nvidia, restart gdm, however the console would be unusable. Is there a way to also "restart" the console? |
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| 23:35.43 | cafuego | why would the console be unusable? |
| 23:35.43 | Brigo | jpleau, afaik, the console should be usabel after change, so it should be a bug. |
| 23:36.18 | cafuego | nevermoreraven: google "security through obscurity" |
| 23:36.31 | Brigo | jpleau, if you can access to the console, writing 'reset' can restor it, ever if you cannot see what you are writing. |
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| 23:37.44 | jpleau | I'll try this, thanks. I haven't actually tried what I said above, I was researching things and I found this post. I wanted to try this at home tonight |
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| 23:39.46 | Penix | ooo, it's a cafuego |
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| 23:40.32 | Brigo | jpleau, it perfectaly possible to change drivers without restart the sytem. Usualy people restar the system because it is easier :) |
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| 23:49.07 | laubosslink | hi everybodu, is there official debian maintenair ? |
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| 23:51.36 | centrx | laubosslink, What do you mean? |
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| 23:56.48 | cafuego | Penix lives! |
| 23:57.13 | cafuego | eats lukewarm grits |
| 23:59.43 | laubosslink | centrx: i've trouble with haproxy, which is in version 1.4, and we need 1.5 with ssl support |
