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| 00:00.38 | The_NetZ | hello. I'm currently afflicted with a bug that you guys have seemed to have cleared up, regarding qscintilla2 for qt5 |
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| 00:04.49 | heurist | The_NetZ: is qt5 in wheezy? |
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| 00:05.54 | The_NetZ | heurist: I don't know. I'm asking on the hope you guys had it fixed, I'm an arch user :P |
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| 00:46.59 | weka | Anyone there? |
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| 00:47.25 | heurist | !ask |
| 00:47.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 00:51.25 | weka | SO I downloaded debian-7.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso and did the whole cp debian.iso /dev/sdX sync thing and when I start it on my Fedora on USB first... nothing happens even though its suppose to install Debian :\ |
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| 00:52.10 | nkuttler | weka: can your bios boot from usb? did you tell it to do that? |
| 00:52.28 | nkuttler | weka: also, did you try to mount the usb drive to see if the contents are right? |
| 00:52.35 | weka | no mounting... |
| 00:52.48 | weka | i changed boot order in bios to USB first. |
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| 00:53.00 | heurist | weka: what do you mean "nothing"? does it boot fedora instead? (which is not nothing) does it hang? what? |
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| 00:55.30 | weka | Sorry. |
| 00:55.38 | weka | It goes straight to Fedora as if the USB was never in |
| 00:55.42 | heurist | weka: show us the exact command you used to cp the iso to the usb. |
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| 00:56.23 | heurist | weka: have you booted from usb before does it work at all on your machine? |
| 00:56.37 | weka | Yes, I ahve botted from usb |
| 00:56.46 | weka | I probaly did the synch wrong or something |
| 00:56.49 | heurist | weka: good, just ruling that out |
| 00:57.02 | heurist | weka: so show us the command. |
| 00:57.04 | Rug | I need some general advice. I am building a (just finished actually) a new caching name-server. and the thing seems quite slow. (using dig to test) The initial dns query can take upto 640msec subsequent lookups are 1-50msec (where I expect them to be). What can I do to speed up the initial lookup? (I am on a fiber 1Gb connection) I am running Bind9. |
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| 00:58.07 | weka | cp debian.iso /dev/sdb; sync |
| 00:58.52 | Rug | Dig lookups are one thing, but using a web-browser is painfull! |
| 00:59.02 | heurist | Rug: if you dig from another server is the initial lookup faster? What forwarders are you using? Is it only slow for some domains (did you test enough)? |
| 00:59.09 | weka | and now my USB has efi folder with subfolder of boot and inside boot is bootx64.efi |
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| 00:59.23 | weka | it went from iso to two folders and .efi file |
| 00:59.23 | heurist | Rug: I assume it is fast without this new dns server? |
| 00:59.43 | Rug | heurist: using 8.8.8.8 is nicely fast |
| 01:00.02 | Rug | 10-40msec |
| 01:00.11 | Rug | heurist: Yes |
| 01:00.17 | Rug | fast before the new DNS server |
| 01:00.31 | Rug | Could it just be the hardware? |
| 01:00.53 | heurist | weka: your command look correct, I am not sure what is wrong. diable booting from the hdd and see. often you get error messages on boot and the system moves to the next boot option and clears the mesasges off the screen. |
| 01:01.33 | heurist | Rug: could be, but sounds strange. why do you suspect the hardware? is it dodgey? |
| 01:01.43 | Rug | weka: try this: dd bs=4M if=/path/to/diskimage.iso of=/dev/sdX && sync |
| 01:02.11 | dvs | Rug: you don't need sync with dd |
| 01:02.13 | Rug | heurist: I'm guessing it's the hardware because it's running in a virtualbox session |
| 01:02.40 | Rug | dvs: you are right, old habit |
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| 01:03.37 | heurist | Rug: I would look at the virtualisation first. maybe give it all the resources you can to test. maybe move it to real hardware. |
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| 01:04.30 | Rug | heurist: yeah that is my next step. I just thought I would tap the collective intelligence in this channel |
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| 01:05.08 | Rug | heurist: Another idea that is bugging me. I will have to test it out, but BSD vs debian. |
| 01:05.21 | Rug | I wonder which one would be faster |
| 01:05.25 | heurist | Rug: which bsd? |
| 01:05.33 | Rug | heurist: FreeBSD |
| 01:06.09 | heurist | Rug: and you are unlikey to notice speed difference for everyday stuff, it is more about the tooling and management. try it though. |
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| 01:11.00 | Rug | heurist: thanks for your feedback |
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| 01:19.56 | highperactive | yeah right, now what? |
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| 01:20.46 | Shadow_7 | odd... I apt-get install gimp and freepats and gstreamer get installed. The following extra packages... |
| 01:22.09 | Shadow_7 | audio and video for an image manipulation program? |
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| 01:26.35 | weka | IM back |
| 01:27.20 | weka | can I just move my diskimage from my USB to the desktop of Fedora and then do the dd bs=4M etc etc Rug |
| 01:27.29 | heurist | Shadow_7: try aptitude and explore why it needs it. also apt-cache rdepends freepats apt-cache depends gimp |
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| 01:28.27 | heurist | weka: yes, but cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync does the same thing. |
| 01:29.06 | weka | so if it does the same thing... it didn't work.. why would this one? |
| 01:29.09 | weka | doing it now tho |
| 01:29.25 | weka | OK what |
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| 01:29.43 | heurist | weka: luck? it should not make a difference, but it might. |
| 01:29.47 | weka | My USB is 416KB and its file system is FAT |
| 01:29.48 | weka | WHAT. |
| 01:30.30 | weka | yeahj my USB is 430KB ... what.... the |
| 01:30.41 | heurist | weka: don't panic. the iso contains that sort of stuff. it is just the filesystems. |
| 01:30.58 | weka | I'm looking at my from my win7... |
| 01:31.07 | weka | Hm ok |
| 01:31.11 | heurist | weka: make sure you unmount it before you cp or dd |
| 01:31.20 | weka | its not even my fedora yet |
| 01:31.22 | weka | but ok here we go. |
| 01:31.57 | weka | I Just plugged it in and Debian Wheezy in BOXES app popped up |
| 01:32.09 | weka | Oh, it's a VM thing. |
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| 01:33.44 | weka | I plugged the USB in and in the Archive explorer in my Fedora I see it has a lot of folders and files like /dists/ /doc /efi /firmware /install /isolinux and setup.exe |
| 01:33.51 | weka | Should it be like that heurist? |
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| 01:35.13 | heurist | weka: that sounds correct |
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| 01:36.56 | martianlobster | my firewall doesn't seem to work |
| 01:36.57 | martianlobster | http://ideone.com/jKFmSK |
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| 01:37.24 | martianlobster | when I do a portscan on wlan0, I see lots of open ports, and I can connect with telnet |
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| 01:37.53 | martianlobster | can anyone see what is wrong with my iptables script? |
| 01:38.57 | weka | OK so I go to Boot mode and see that boot loader boots USB first |
| 01:39.03 | weka | or its called Removable.. |
| 01:39.06 | weka | and then HD and then other |
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| 01:39.42 | heurist | weka: remove all the other ones, then it can only boot from the one you select or fail with an error message. |
| 01:39.52 | weka | well that failed |
| 01:39.55 | weka | it went to Fedora |
| 01:39.58 | weka | okay I will do that |
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| 01:41.19 | weka | What about Hard Disk Boot Priority? |
| 01:41.36 | heurist | martianlobster: "INPUT 1 " huh? looks like an error, may be making things not apply. try iptables-save before and after you run the script to see what is done. |
| 01:41.38 | weka | I got 1. SATA-0 and 2. USB-HDD0 and 3. Bootable Add-in Cards |
| 01:41.41 | weka | Put USB in first.. |
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| 01:42.19 | martianlobster | heurist: thanks, |
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| 01:43.38 | weka | Ok heurist I got a message |
| 01:43.49 | weka | No boot device available. Press ENTER key to retry |
| 01:44.01 | weka | SATA-0: Installed, SATA-1: Installed, |
| 01:44.12 | weka | SATA-4: None, SATA-5: None |
| 01:44.14 | weka | That's it |
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| 01:45.29 | martianlobster | heurist: I just tried this http://ideone.com/fH4sfZ |
| 01:45.32 | martianlobster | same problem |
| 01:45.43 | martianlobster | nmap shows a bunch of open ports |
| 01:45.51 | heurist | weka: try all the boot choices till you find the one that is the correct usb |
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| 01:46.14 | heurist | martianlobster: what does iptables-save say? |
| 01:46.17 | martianlobster | it is like the iptables -P INPUT DROP or iptables -P INPUT DROP is never getting run |
| 01:46.23 | weka | Well I'll change SATA first then USB |
| 01:46.28 | weka | Doubt it'd make adiff since its USB |
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| 01:47.27 | martianlobster | heurist: http://ideone.com/t9wIUZ |
| 01:47.39 | weka | Tried switch HD Boot prioty to SATA first.. boo.. |
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| 01:47.52 | arielsanflo | I have a problem with debian jessie not restart or shut me with gnome |
| 01:47.54 | arielsanflo | help |
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| 01:50.54 | arielsanflo | systemd error |
| 01:50.55 | heurist | martianlobster: what nmap command are you running, what exactly does it say? you rules look minimally correct. |
| 01:50.56 | vimel | if they could only fix the gnome bugs it would be a very good DE. |
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| 01:51.22 | martianlobster | heurist: nmap 192.168.16.3 |
| 01:51.24 | heurist | arielsanflo: this channel mainly supports stable, questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:51.46 | martianlobster | heurist: that is the IP of wlan0 |
| 01:51.59 | arielsanflo | fine thanks |
| 01:52.16 | arielsanflo | is for invite |
| 01:52.36 | weka | No, I still keeping No boot device available. Press ENTER key to retry |
| 01:52.40 | heurist | arielsanflo: on irc.oftc.net not freenode |
| 01:52.56 | arielsanflo | fine thanks |
| 01:53.08 | DammitJim | how can I figure out where the starting of wpa_supplicant is? |
| 01:53.16 | DammitJim | like where is that configured? I think I need to change it |
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| 01:54.44 | heurist | martianlobster: and what does nmap say? |
| 01:55.43 | martianlobster | heurist: http://ideone.com/nXTrAP |
| 01:56.26 | martianlobster | I really want to block of 7496 from the LAN / Internet |
| 01:56.35 | heurist | martianlobster: so what is the problem? 7496? that is RELATED,ESTABLISHED |
| 01:56.43 | martianlobster | i want 7496 accessible from loopback only |
| 01:57.19 | martianlobster | OK I see thanks |
| 01:57.52 | heurist | martianlobster: what is it? can you not just make run on localhost only? |
| 01:58.42 | heurist | martianlobster: why is all the microsoft stuff showing up too? you sure you are nmaping the correct IP? |
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| 01:59.54 | DammitJim | ? |
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| 02:00.23 | Penix | DammitJim: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:01.02 | DammitJim | trying to use wpa_cli |
| 02:01.03 | kpap | Hello |
| 02:01.03 | heurist | DammitJim: https://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 02:01.15 | DammitJim | however, I can't save the configuration: save_config gives me a FAIL |
| 02:01.25 | Penix | DammitJim: as root? |
| 02:01.53 | DammitJim | sudo |
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| 02:08.32 | weka | heurist I tried doing what you said but I keep getting NO BOOT DEVICE AVAILABLE. |
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| 02:10.22 | heurist | weka: that is a result. it tells you that something. now you work on getting your system booting from usb and work on getting the usb set up correctly. maybe try boot from another iso (you said it worked before) to rule out problems with this iso, or fiddle with *all* the bios settings. |
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| 02:24.21 | weka | Ugh I give up. |
| 02:24.25 | weka | Installing Debian is too hard |
| 02:24.29 | weka | Too many errors -_- |
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| 02:31.37 | mo1991 | weka, i highly doubt its a debian issue. Can't you check if any other usb device is bootable? |
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| 02:37.47 | weka | ill see about others USBs |
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| 03:09.25 | weka | Alright |
| 03:09.38 | weka | I got a fresh 4GB USB .. time to install Debian....... |
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| 03:31.15 | asuslaptop | is intel 4400 graphics supported by debian ? |
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| 03:50.05 | weka | I THINK |
| 03:50.06 | weka | THE REASON |
| 03:50.18 | weka | it wasn't going right was because I was doing AMD instead of Intel.. my computers processor is INTEL |
| 03:50.39 | iateadonut | i'm trying to rsync some important directories for backup - but i'd like them to keep their tree, so, for example, if i rsync /etc/apache2/sites-available/* /backup/ - i want to copy it to /backup/etc/apache2/sites-available/ instead of /backup/sites-available - i DON'T want all the other files/subdirectories in the tree, though. |
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| 03:50.53 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 03:51.40 | johnfg | My wife changed our home office around, and did a shutdown of wheezy, cleanly, with no problems. |
| 03:52.06 | johnfg | However, something's screwy with the network, but I can't figure out what. |
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| 03:55.39 | Rusty1 | iateadonut: there is a #rsync channel , while you wait you could ask there as well |
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| 04:31.52 | weka | I just downloaded boot.img and put it on a USB... all I get on boot up is a blinking underscore... help? |
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| 04:36.07 | DanDare | weka, weka from where you downloaded 'boot.img' ? |
| 04:36.36 | DanDare | weka, its 'Noobs'what you downloaded ? |
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| 04:39.17 | DanDare | weka, heh sorry, that was a wrong question (I thought I were in another channel). Anyway I suspect you need be more specific to get some help |
| 04:40.15 | DanDare | weka, you will not be abe to boot from any media by just copying a ISO inside it |
| 04:41.48 | Penix | weka: from what I've seen, you've tried dd'ing and cp'ing the image. if you have a proper, official image, then you're missing something else |
| 04:42.10 | Penix | something specific to your system, like the boot order and methods discussed earlier |
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| 04:45.09 | Colloguy | I'm thinking about encrypting my laptop. What setup (LVM over LUKs, LUKS over LVM, just encrypt each partition, etc...) is most compatible with being able to lukssuspend (or the equivalent) as many partitions as possible when sleeping a laptop? |
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| 04:46.25 | Colloguy | I read that lukssuspend doesn't work with the root partition at all for debian, so that seems to rule out LVM over LUKS. |
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| 05:05.11 | weka | I downloaded boot.img from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 05:05.37 | weka | But now I have downloaded a DVD debian-7.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso .. |
| 05:05.37 | weka | wait |
| 05:05.40 | weka | I GOT THE WRONG ISO! |
| 05:05.44 | weka | processor....... |
| 05:05.48 | weka | I have intel processor.. I got AMD. |
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| 05:05.54 | weka | I should switch, right? |
| 05:06.30 | themill | weka: debian-7.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso will work just fine. |
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| 05:06.46 | weka | I am doing PowerISO to the CD and booting from CD |
| 05:06.52 | weka | That should work -_- |
| 05:07.09 | themill | that's a DVD image not a CD image |
| 05:07.33 | weka | Boot it from DVD then? |
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| 05:07.43 | weka | oh my god. |
| 05:07.46 | weka | I'm so stupid. |
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| 05:21.13 | weka | How long does finalizing media take |
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| 05:22.34 | Penix | four hours |
| 05:22.45 | MTecknology | five hours |
| 05:22.56 | Penix | err, yes. correct |
| 05:22.57 | cynicallemon | how long is a piece of sting |
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| 05:23.07 | MTecknology | cynicallemon: as long as the bees butt |
| 05:23.17 | MTecknology | I feel like I walked in on something... :S |
| 05:23.21 | bdog7 | this long ---------------------- on my monitor at this rez |
| 05:24.52 | jaybe | can someone tell me what font this is / |
| 05:25.30 | weka | goddamit |
| 05:25.32 | MTecknology | jaybe: it's areola? |
| 05:25.54 | MTecknology | jaybe: I checked... it's monospace 9 |
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| 05:26.12 | Penix | a beautiful bitmapped fixed font here |
| 05:26.37 | cynicallemon | jaybe, its monospace here |
| 05:26.46 | jaybe | k thx |
| 05:27.08 | jaybe | wait. so which font am i using here than? |
| 05:27.14 | Penix | how should we know? |
| 05:27.33 | bdog7 | jaybe, it's your client that uses the font |
| 05:27.35 | Penix | irc doesn't care about fonts. check your client |
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| 05:27.44 | jaybe | cackles |
| 05:27.49 | weka | screw it lets go back to doing the USB method for DEBIAN |
| 05:27.50 | weka | UGH@@@@ |
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| 05:28.31 | weka | No wait... I'l get stuck again. |
| 05:29.28 | Penix | Debian's not so great anyway. you should use OS/2 |
| 05:29.40 | MTecknology | Penix: but which one? |
| 05:29.48 | MTecknology | used to have a Mac OS II |
| 05:29.53 | jaybe | MTecknology, the second one probably |
| 05:30.06 | danlamanna^ | wasn't os2 an ibm thing |
| 05:30.13 | MTecknology | ya, that's the other one |
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| 05:30.53 | jaybe | since we're all in the same room, do we all see the same fonts than? |
| 05:31.30 | bdog7 | no |
| 05:31.53 | jaybe | apologizes profusely for the trolling. bdog7's string length joke got my rollin' ;P |
| 05:32.07 | ag4ve_ | lots of things determine font - not irc channel :) |
| 05:32.11 | jaybe | is it dark here. you are likely to be eaten by a grue. |
| 05:32.14 | cynicallemon | no |
| 05:33.38 | weka | Guys... help. so I went under Tiny CDs, USB sticks, etc. in GET DEBIAN and clicked on i386 and go here |
| 05:33.39 | weka | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 05:33.53 | weka | Where do I go from there... I thought it was USB installer but now I got CD rom option? |
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| 05:34.29 | themill | weka: you don't. You use the debian-7.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso you've already downloaded |
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| 05:35.14 | ag4ve_ | dd of=iso-file.iso of=/dev/thumb-drive bs=4M |
| 05:35.31 | MTecknology | ag4ve_: that won't be bootable |
| 05:35.33 | ag4ve_ | errr if=iso-file.iso |
| 05:35.36 | jaybe | heh |
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| 05:35.46 | themill | or use cp to save you getting the dd syntax wrong |
| 05:36.12 | MTecknology | wodim kicks butt for burning :) |
| 05:36.12 | ag4ve_ | MTecknology: if his bios supports it will |
| 05:36.25 | MTecknology | ag4ve_: I've never seen one that does |
| 05:36.25 | weka | I literally can't believe it's taken me all day since 9am to intall Debian. I shouldn't be allowed to have a computer anymore. |
| 05:36.43 | weka | waiting on verifying that image... of the DVD.... |
| 05:36.48 | ag4ve_ | debian is made with isolinyx/syslinux which allows that |
| 05:37.02 | MTecknology | weka: wget iso; wodim iso; boot to cd; install ... which part is hard? |
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| 05:37.16 | MTecknology | ag4ve_: good point... I guess it could work for some |
| 05:37.17 | jaybe | for starters, it's a dvd image |
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| 05:38.26 | weka | Well besides the DVD install.. I also gave the debian-7.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso a shot and I failed on that. |
| 05:38.49 | MTecknology | have you ever installed an OS before? |
| 05:39.02 | ag4ve_ | weka: it sounds (based on downloading i386) that you're on older hardware |
| 05:39.35 | themill | ag4ve_: I wouldn't make assumptions like that here... |
| 05:39.50 | weka | yeah the computer I am installing it on (to play with) is VOSTRO 200 |
| 05:39.54 | weka | That is the model nae |
| 05:39.55 | weka | name* |
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| 05:40.28 | MTecknology | weka: have you ever installed an OS before? |
| 05:40.32 | ag4ve_ | idk how old but if you don't have usb mass storage support, it ain't booting off of a thumb drive |
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| 05:40.47 | weka | Yes. Windows many times and I have Fedora 19 on my Vostro 200 |
| 05:40.54 | ag4ve_ | if it's too old, it won't boot a cd and you'll have to look into making a boot floppy |
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| 05:41.01 | MTecknology | this is exactly the same as installing fedora |
| 05:41.18 | MTecknology | ... windows is pretty much the same too |
| 05:41.21 | weka | I forgot how I installed Fedora... |
| 05:41.40 | ag4ve_ | is this going on the same box fedora is on? |
| 05:41.41 | cynicallemon | MTecknology, except you end up with a more usable distro |
| 05:41.48 | MTecknology | cynicallemon: true |
| 05:42.03 | MTecknology | like this... download iso; burn iso; boot to cd; follow instructions |
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| 05:42.08 | weka | I want to remove Fedora and add Debian on it |
| 05:42.24 | ag4ve_ | fine, does fedora currently boot? |
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| 05:42.48 | weka | Yes I am on it right now |
| 05:42.53 | ag4ve_ | (yes, i'm leading you down a path less traveled) |
| 05:43.06 | ag4ve_ | ok, and the computer has usb support? |
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| 05:43.26 | weka | Yeah it's a Vostro 200 but aint' that old. Haha |
| 05:43.33 | ag4ve_ | grab a 4+ gb thumb drive and format it ext2/3/4 (i don't care) |
| 05:43.48 | weka | Hold on trying the DVD right now........ |
| 05:43.52 | weka | annnnnnnnnnnnd |
| 05:43.59 | weka | I get BOOT FROM CD: with a blink |
| 05:44.00 | weka | WAIT |
| 05:44.00 | weka | Gsdjopgp |
| 05:44.01 | weka | I GOTI ! |
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| 05:44.07 | jaybe | lol |
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| 05:44.11 | danlaman` | huzzah. |
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| 05:44.20 | weka | FOR 19 HOURS |
| 05:44.23 | weka | I have been trying |
| 05:44.30 | weka | Well not 19... but all day |
| 05:45.03 | DanDare | an all day have 24 hours :p |
| 05:45.07 | weka | Now I just have to remove Fedora to add DEbian onto it |
| 05:45.16 | weka | I slept today until 11am |
| 05:45.18 | ag4ve_ | weka: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 05:45.19 | weka | I need a job T_T |
| 05:45.28 | weka | I got it ag4ve |
| 05:45.31 | themill | ag4ve_: please don't go there... |
| 05:45.38 | ag4ve_ | ok fine |
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| 05:46.02 | weka | I have missing firmware files... htc_9271.fw .... I don't need that... do I |
| 05:46.28 | ag4ve_ | google it and see |
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| 05:47.41 | babilen | weka: That is why I recommended the firmware iso earlier |
| 05:48.28 | weka | well screw that... I loaded htc_9271.fw onto a USB put it on and I said "load from USB" and it wouldn't budge so I press no and Onward I go. |
| 05:48.41 | weka | newtork autoconfig failed too |
| 05:48.43 | weka | This is amazing |
| 05:48.56 | weka | I might just be the most incompetetant OS installer ever |
| 05:49.02 | weka | guys, give me an award |
| 05:49.04 | MTecknology | then don't use it |
| 05:49.08 | MTecknology | use windows |
| 05:49.16 | weka | "But I'm learning." |
| 05:49.23 | MTecknology | you came, you tried, now go use windows |
| 05:49.35 | weka | You want me to give up? :( |
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| 05:49.45 | babilen | MTecknology: Stop it, there is no need for that |
| 05:50.12 | DanDare | weka, do you recorded the firmware on USB root folder? |
| 05:50.52 | babilen | weka: Then you won't be able to configure your wireless network. That means, in particular, that you have to configure your /etc/apt/sources.list with online mirrors (e.g. use http://paste.debian.net/114496/ ), run "apt-get update" and then install the missing firmware package with "apt-get install firmware-atheros" |
| 05:51.52 | babilen | DanDare: Also: You should put this package on the USB: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-atheros or just download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ and unpack it to your USB drive |
| 05:52.03 | babilen | weka: ^^ |
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| 05:52.12 | babilen | DanDare: Sorry, enick |
| 05:52.17 | DanDare | np |
| 05:52.48 | ag4ve_ | (and that's why you shouldn't even attempt to install off of a wireless network) |
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| 05:53.08 | ag4ve_ | wired works 99% of the time, wireless works far less |
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| 05:53.57 | weka | I'm installing Debian via non-graphical UI |
| 05:53.59 | MTecknology | The only ethernet jack in my house is into my computer room. I use it exclusively for installs |
| 05:54.34 | ag4ve_ | heh, i live off ethernet |
| 05:55.19 | ag4ve_ | 2x 48 port gig switches, 1x old zyxel 16 port 100m, 1x 8 port gig |
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| 05:55.36 | ag4ve_ | (yeah, i ain't running out of ports) |
| 05:55.40 | babilen | → offtopic please |
| 05:55.55 | weka | What's your recommendation on drive partitioning schemes for playing around on debian ? |
| 05:56.07 | ag4ve_ | single drive partition |
| 05:56.08 | babilen | LVM, all in one partition |
| 05:56.22 | weka | Whats the point of separating /home, /usr, /var and /tmp partitions? |
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| 05:56.29 | KM0201 | agrees with ag4ve_ |
| 05:56.29 | weka | I mean the advantage... |
| 05:56.30 | ag4ve_ | mmmm, that's going to suck if you don't know lvm and need to rescue |
| 05:56.50 | weka | Writing to disk.... |
| 05:57.02 | KM0201 | i wouldn't worryt about it weka just do a normal single partition (non LVM) install |
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| 05:58.17 | ag4ve_ | the advantage of multiple partitions is you can take something offline and resize it (or whatever) without rebooting |
| 05:58.25 | babilen | weka: The installer gets the sizes wrong so don't do this please. There are many advantages to separate partitions (and even more so for logical volumes). Basic advantages include: Easy to extend, partitions can be removed without compromising data on other partitions (e.g. leave /home in place if you backup/reinstall the system), a run-away daemon can still fill up /var with logs without filling up everything, ... |
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| 05:58.58 | weka | Thanks for all your guys help... |
| 05:59.01 | weka | Got it. |
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| 05:59.20 | KM0201 | has never put /home on a separate partition in 10yrs |
| 05:59.39 | ag4ve_ | babilen: when's the last time you've had logs fill up / or /var? |
| 05:59.45 | ag4ve_ | seriously |
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| 06:00.11 | DanDare | sets a 1TB partition for /boot |
| 06:00.19 | babilen | ag4ve_: two weeks ago |
| 06:00.49 | babilen | But it doesn't matter and trivia like this should rather be discussed/exchanged in #debian-offtopic |
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| 06:01.54 | ag4ve_ | my point is that advising on multiple partitions and lvm for a home system is bad |
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| 06:02.24 | MTecknology | I *always* keep /var, /var/log, and /home on their own partitions |
| 06:02.34 | babilen | I didn't, but there are clear advantages to it |
| 06:02.55 | babilen | In particular for using LVM |
| 06:02.56 | heurist | generally if people do not understand the advantages of splitting them they will not need to split them. |
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| 06:03.17 | ag4ve_ | exactly |
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| 06:03.36 | KM0201 | agrees with heurist |
| 06:03.40 | babilen | yes, which is why weka has been advised to not split them. That still doesn't render LVM nor multiple logical volumes pointless. |
| 06:03.42 | DanDare | thats heuristically valid |
| 06:03.49 | ag4ve_ | and if someone doesn't understand the advandates to lvm, setting them up with it isn't good |
| 06:04.01 | weka | Great ran into an error. .. configure the package manager. |
| 06:04.05 | ag4ve_ | if you setup lvm, sure, use multiple fs, but.... |
| 06:04.11 | weka | I need a network mirrior....... |
| 06:04.18 | babilen | So, can we get back to support now? |
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| 06:04.29 | ag4ve_ | weka: git an ethernet cable? |
| 06:04.33 | KM0201 | you didn't choose one weka ? should have givne you a ist to choose one |
| 06:04.58 | weka | Can I just set up a network mirrior after I'm done and skip it for now? |
| 06:05.01 | ag4ve_ | he's trying to use an atheros wifi nic |
| 06:05.09 | babilen | weka: As indicated earlier: You cannot have one as you did you supply firmware for your wireless card and therefore cannot connect to a wireless network. Unless you use ethernet you will not be able to configure a network mirror at this point. |
| 06:05.22 | weka | welp... |
| 06:05.25 | ag4ve_ | and debian doesn't compile it into the install kernel (pretty sure there's kernel support) |
| 06:05.30 | KM0201 | weka: i guess you can try... i wouldn't get your hopes up on that going well. |
| 06:05.40 | weka | No, I tried it twice and I got network error |
| 06:05.50 | babilen | weka: And I also already told you how to configure the repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list and which package you need to download to get hold of the firmware in question. |
| 06:06.04 | weka | Yeah http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ |
| 06:06.27 | babilen | weka: I will, however, point out once again: It will be *much* easier if you put the firmware-atheros package on your USB right now and configure the network during the installation. |
| 06:06.42 | DanDare | If he got wireless working from start (installer network configuration), he should be able to install normally |
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| 06:07.14 | ag4ve_ | yep |
| 06:07.28 | DanDare | well, of course... (i would keep trying that if it was me) |
| 06:07.33 | weka | Yes I am downloading firmware.zip to put that on the USB |
| 06:07.43 | babilen | No, *unpack* it on the USB |
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| 06:08.26 | babilen | "babilen > DanDare: Also: You should put this package on the USB: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-atheros or just download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ and unpack it to your USB drive" -- please pay attention :) |
| 06:08.53 | DanDare | installer will accept USB using a FAT partition ? |
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| 06:09.05 | babilen | (which was unfortunately sent to DanDare, but I pointed it out to you immediately afterwards) |
| 06:09.10 | DanDare | :) |
| 06:09.13 | babilen | DanDare: It will, yeah |
| 06:09.24 | weka | I just put the contents in USB not the ZIP itself.. |
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| 06:09.36 | weka | Yes |
| 06:09.38 | weka | Sorry |
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| 06:09.44 | weka | English isnt my first langauge... forgot waht unpack meant |
| 06:09.47 | babilen | weka: You mean a collection of .deb files? |
| 06:09.54 | weka | Yes |
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| 06:10.15 | DanDare | weka, if it still doesn't work, take a look in BIOS settings about USB modes etc |
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| 06:11.05 | weka | Copying .deb fiiles to USB.... |
| 06:11.14 | babilen | weka: Okay, perfect. If you don't understand something then please just ask. It is hard to guess what you have problems with. Would you be more comfortable seeking support in a different language? |
| 06:11.35 | weka | English is most-speakable. I stay with it :) |
| 06:11.56 | DanDare | I had computers in the past not accepting "secondary" USB ports (those that comes into computer's case), but just the primary ones (whats weird anyway) |
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| 06:12.53 | babilen | weka: Sure, no problem. It's just that we have quite active communities in other languages such as French, German, Spanish (and so on) -- I don't have the feeling as if you are struggling with English but I at least wanted to offer it :) |
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| 06:15.34 | weka_ | Did it this tiem around and now its asking me for my passphrase for my router.. |
| 06:15.37 | weka_ | $5 it will deny it. |
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| 06:16.09 | babilen | weka: Why would your router deny a valid pre-shared key? |
| 06:16.22 | weka | Because it did it last time... |
| 06:17.05 | weka | attempting.. attempting |
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| 06:18.04 | weka | Hahahaha failure.... |
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| 06:18.42 | DanDare | weka, set router ad open network just for install (if you can/want) |
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| 06:19.11 | DanDare | some routers are really annoying until you connect fro the first time |
| 06:19.13 | weka | Trying the WEP-open option... |
| 06:19.19 | DanDare | of course buggy firmwares |
| 06:19.20 | babilen | wep-open? |
| 06:19.30 | weka | Not using DHCP protocol... well then |
| 06:19.50 | babilen | What do you mean by that? |
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| 06:20.16 | weka | I'm at the network page and I see |
| 06:20.32 | weka | eth0: Intel Coportation Networking Connection AND wlan0: Wireless ethernet |
| 06:20.44 | weka | I pick the second and pick my router... linksys <_< |
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| 06:21.03 | weka | Then I get WEP/Open Network or WPA/WPA2 PSK |
| 06:21.20 | babilen | What is being used by your network? |
| 06:21.42 | weka | My computer.. |
| 06:22.19 | babilen | No, what kind of encryption does your wireless network use? WEP or WPA? |
| 06:22.31 | babilen | But feel free to try the other (i.e. WEP) option |
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| 06:22.40 | babilen | And DanDare's suggestion to configure your network to *not* use encryption might make things easier |
| 06:23.26 | KM0201 | it might be worthwhile to disable your network security until you're finished w/ the install.. see if maybe that helps |
| 06:23.40 | KM0201 | it's 0230hrs here, so.. I probably don't have to worry about someone etting on my network at the moment |
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| 06:24.25 | DanDare | after that though, better got it back to WPA and change the passwords |
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| 06:24.49 | KM0201 | DanDare: well of course |
| 06:25.06 | DanDare | yeah, of course :) |
| 06:25.27 | KM0201 | i figured that went w/o saying (I wouldn't disable the password to log into the router... just to get on the network) |
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| 06:25.40 | babilen | With a network name of "linksys" the router might still be using the default password though |
| 06:25.45 | KM0201 | otherwise, if someone is awake trying to get on your network.. you might find yourself locked out. |
| 06:26.03 | DanDare | KM0201, paper clip --> reset :p |
| 06:26.13 | babilen | Anyway, lets see how these two approaches are working out for weka |
| 06:26.16 | KM0201 | this is true babilen i generally find folks that are using the "default" SSID.. are using the default passwords as well. |
| 06:26.58 | weka | I am using Linksys WRT54GS |
| 06:26.59 | weka | Hold on... |
| 06:27.01 | KM0201 | then you have the clever ones.. "YOULOOTISHOOT" "FBI_VAN_#9" |
| 06:27.04 | weka | It supports both |
| 06:27.22 | KM0201 | weka: this isn't a matter of what the router supports |
| 06:27.27 | KM0201 | it's a matter of what the installer will support |
| 06:30.08 | DanDare | a smarter approach for this can be: hidden SSID and open network |
| 06:30.15 | babilen | And of what the router is currently using mostly |
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| 06:32.03 | babilen | weka: So, could you connect to it when you try WEP? Would disabling the encryption be an option for the time being? Anything "interesting" on ALT-4 ? (get back with alt-1. Did you restart the installation from scratch after you added the firmware to the usb and supplied it when requested this time? |
| 06:32.15 | weka | Oh |
| 06:32.17 | weka | I connected |
| 06:32.19 | weka | neat. |
| 06:32.33 | weka | My house has two modems for whatever goddamn reaon and appearantly I was using the wrong one? |
| 06:33.25 | babilen | Well, that can't work |
| 06:33.36 | KM0201 | huh? |
| 06:33.58 | babilen | (unless they are configured identically and are APs for the same network, as it should be) |
| 06:34.17 | KM0201 | strange to see two modems on one network though |
| 06:34.27 | babilen | Not strange at all. |
| 06:34.48 | KM0201 | dunno.. i've never heard of such a thing |
| 06:34.52 | KM0201 | multiple routers? of course |
| 06:34.57 | KM0201 | not multiple modems though |
| 06:34.59 | babilen | (people don't do that in small homes, but companies or other large organisations do that all the time) |
| 06:35.07 | KM0201 | yeah |
| 06:35.33 | babilen | I am sure that weka meant "router" or rather "access point" with "modem" rather than a 14.4 baud modulator/demodulator |
| 06:36.00 | KM0201 | well, there are high speed modems.. so.. i didn't really think he was talkin about being on dial up |
| 06:36.09 | babilen | ;) |
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| 06:38.49 | KM0201 | and he's gone |
| 06:38.51 | KM0201 | lol |
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| 06:41.00 | weka | Maaan |
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| 06:41.21 | weka | I am now configuring package manager... |
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| 06:41.42 | mazzanet | lo |
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| 06:41.52 | KM0201 | weka: thank goodness |
| 06:41.54 | KM0201 | lo mazzanet |
| 06:42.07 | mazzanet | trying to install with lvm |
| 06:42.12 | weka | Yay... network error.. hold on. |
| 06:42.12 | mazzanet | on amd64 |
| 06:42.14 | KM0201 | weka: what did you end up doing to resolve the probleM |
| 06:42.24 | mazzanet | failing at autopartition with lvm |
| 06:42.29 | weka | Install from DVD image |
| 06:42.35 | mazzanet | tried manual lvm config but none of the volumes show up in the list |
| 06:42.47 | mazzanet | if i continue after auto failed, i see a 200mb /boot, an lvm partition using the remainder of the disk and a lvm volume called root that's ~200mb |
| 06:43.08 | KM0201 | hmm.. sorry mazzanet i've never installed on lvm (never had a need) |
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| 06:45.27 | weka | oh neat |
| 06:45.29 | weka | it worked. |
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| 06:47.55 | weka | I am installing software... yay..... |
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| 06:51.48 | KM0201 | well weka that only took forever.. glad it's working now. |
| 06:51.57 | KM0201 | kpap must be having some sort of connection issue |
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| 06:53.11 | weka | so far so good... for now |
| 06:53.31 | KM0201 | well, if you've made it this far, the rest is gravy, so lon as you don't brick installing grub |
| 06:53.38 | KM0201 | is the machine dual booting? |
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| 07:05.27 | weka | of course.. |
| 07:05.29 | weka | The moment I go away |
| 07:05.46 | weka | my Debian instlalation of thje monitor goes... black.. not shut off but black but still on. |
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| 07:06.02 | asuslaptop | how r u |
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| 07:06.21 | asuslaptop | Is there a proof that INtel HD 4xxx graphics works on Debian ? |
| 07:06.37 | KM0201 | asuslaptop: why wouldn't it? |
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| 07:07.52 | KM0201 | when you mean, "works" do you mean full 3D, etc..? some of the intels are kinda weak in that respect. |
| 07:07.58 | KM0201 | i i suspect debian supports them just fine |
| 07:08.11 | KM0201 | I've got an intel something in this laptopp.. but not sure exactly which one |
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| 07:09.08 | babilen | Well, it it depends on the version, but Ivy bridge GPUs are working on wheezy IIRC. Maybe a newer kernel (e.g. 3.14 from backports) is needed and, if you are really unlucky, a newer xserver-xorg-video-intel. #intel-gfx is typically on top of these things. |
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| 07:10.11 | KM0201_ | woops |
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| 07:18.14 | weka | Yeah I failed this debian install. |
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| 07:22.29 | KM0201_ | weka: what happened |
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| 07:26.18 | weka | The screen just went black. Like.. not off but turned on but black |
| 07:27.08 | weka | trying again though |
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| 07:30.36 | babilen | weka: When did that happen? |
| 07:31.03 | weka | a few mins ago |
| 07:31.12 | weka | after i selected to install software like web server an file serve etc etc |
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| 07:32.13 | babilen | And it is not waking up? Could you try alt-4 ? Did you perform the graphical or text based installation? |
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| 07:32.32 | babilen | You installed a webserver? |
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| 07:34.39 | weka | There is software selection babilen |
| 07:35.03 | weka | Debian dsektop environment, web server, print server, sql database, dns sefver, file server, mail server, ssh server, laptop and stadard system utils |
| 07:35.20 | KM0201_ | weka: did you install a desktop environment? (or are you setting up a server) |
| 07:35.24 | weka | with debian desktop environemtn print and stadnard system utils pre-checked |
| 07:35.40 | weka | I havent installed a debian desktop environemnt.. no... |
| 07:36.05 | babilen | weka: So you unchecked all three? |
| 07:36.16 | KM0201_ | are you wanting to install a desktop... or are oyu setting up a command line system server? |
| 07:36.26 | weka | yes.. |
| 07:36.31 | KM0201_ | .. |
| 07:36.40 | weka | I want to insall a desktop... |
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| 07:36.55 | KM0201_ | ok. |
| 07:37.06 | KM0201_ | so just... for now.. only install a desktop |
| 07:37.16 | KM0201_ | you can install the webserver, etc.. afterwards if you decide you want to |
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| 07:37.36 | KM0201_ | (i can't really understand wanting to run that stuff on a desktop though.. but maybe i'm missing something) |
| 07:37.47 | babilen | weka: Can you switch with alt-4 ? |
| 07:38.04 | KM0201_ | i think he said he's already installing again.. might be a little late for that |
| 07:38.10 | weka | I am at installation screen.. so no.. |
| 07:38.29 | weka | i selected debian desktop and standard system utils |
| 07:39.20 | babilen | Okay, that's good. Is it working now? |
| 07:39.27 | weka | So far.. installing sofrware |
| 07:39.36 | weka | 1286 files in total.. |
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| 07:39.52 | babilen | fair enough |
| 07:40.52 | cynicallemon | why dont people use a live cd, so much easier |
| 07:41.13 | KM0201_ | cynicallemon: because then they couldn't complain about how difficult the installer is to use |
| 07:41.23 | cynicallemon | :) |
| 07:41.34 | babilen | That is not necessarily true and the installer on the live CD is not nearly tested as thoroughly as the actual install images. |
| 07:41.46 | KM0201_ | babilen: true |
| 07:41.52 | babilen | KM0201_: The installer is the same, it's just a different way of starting it |
| 07:41.58 | KM0201_ | yeah. |
| 07:42.11 | cynicallemon | babilen:: maybe but ive never had issues |
| 07:42.12 | KM0201_ | i always use the netinst ISO on my server |
| 07:42.26 | KM0201_ | and just uncheck everything... |
| 07:43.08 | cynicallemon | KM0201_:: same, netinstall is great once you know the debian install process well |
| 07:43.14 | babilen | You should install the standard task .. but then, this is chatter that is more suited for #debian-offtopic :) |
| 07:43.29 | KM0201_ | well, it's about installing..lol. |
| 07:43.47 | KM0201_ | what is standard task? |
| 07:43.48 | babilen | cynicallemon: The installer is *exactly* the same. The only difference is the selection of packages that come with the image |
| 07:43.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell KM0201_ -about standard |
| 07:44.01 | KM0201_ | lol |
| 07:44.18 | cynicallemon | if it wasnt for this chatter no one would be chatting... |
| 07:44.33 | KM0201_ | hmm, i just realized i had a _ |
| 07:44.57 | cynicallemon | babilen:: yes i kinda know that, i build all sorts of custom desktops and servers |
| 07:45.31 | heurist | but this is not a chat channel it is a support channel. I keep coming back to this window to see who needs what help and seeing this... |
| 07:45.34 | babilen | cynicallemon: It is not our wish for this channel to be active. |
| 07:45.51 | weka | Still installing... at your service. |
| 07:45.57 | babilen | So, #debian-offtopic it is. Seriously. |
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| 07:47.00 | cynicallemon | weka:: you will get there eventually |
| 07:47.08 | heurist | babilen: that is a badly named channel though, it is not offtopic for debian, just non-support, or social. |
| 07:47.42 | babilen | Which is exactly the counterpart to the definition of what is on-topic in here |
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| 07:48.16 | KM0201 | babilen: so question, how can i tell if tasksel is installed on my server? is it as simple as apt-get install tasksel? |
| 07:48.54 | KM0201 | hmm, well that installed a couple things... so we'll just let it roll w/ that |
| 07:48.56 | weka | OK |
| 07:48.57 | weka | IM done. |
| 07:49.02 | weka | It was loading just fine |
| 07:49.03 | babilen | KM0201: That would install it not tell you if it is installed. Will you use this in a script or do you simply want to check manually? |
| 07:49.04 | weka | and now the screen went black |
| 07:49.08 | weka | I am so done. |
| 07:49.09 | weka | With this |
| 07:49.20 | KM0201 | babilen: i just installed it.. what the hey.. :) |
| 07:49.29 | KM0201 | i don't recall ever needing it, so i have no idea what it even does |
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| 07:49.39 | babilen | weka: So the screen gets black if you reboot after the installation finishes and during the initial boot? |
| 07:49.59 | babilen | KM0201: I wouldn't install software that you neither need nor know what its doing, but meh |
| 07:50.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell KM0201 -about tasksel |
| 07:50.14 | KM0201 | babilen: dpkg already told me about it |
| 07:50.20 | weka | babilen ... oh wait |
| 07:50.25 | cynicallemon | KM0201:: i dont know why tasksel is in by default |
| 07:50.27 | weka | I press CTRL and its still going |
| 07:50.31 | weka | it's still installing. |
| 07:50.36 | babilen | … |
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| 07:50.57 | babilen | weka: I specifically asked you if switching to tty4 (alt-4) wakes it up again. |
| 07:51.09 | babilen | But then hitting any key probably suffices. |
| 07:51.13 | weka | I must haave missed that... sorry |
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| 07:51.38 | KM0201 | ..lol |
| 07:51.43 | anddam | what kind of permissions are needed for changing a file's permissions? |
| 07:52.19 | cynicallemon | anddam:: depends who owns the file |
| 07:52.38 | anddam | I have user A that is in group B, I have a folder foo/ owned by B:B with rwxrwxr-x and I'd like A to change permissions of files in foo/ |
| 07:53.10 | anddam | the file itself is rwxrwxr-x owned B:B and I was trying to assign g-x from user A |
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| 07:59.07 | KM0201 | ok, night fellas.. gonna start watching Boardwalk Empire, see if it's as good as everyone says |
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| 08:11.27 | weka | Ok guys.. |
| 08:11.32 | weka | I think I did it...? |
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| 08:12.12 | terr1 | Hey I'm trying to enable yubikey on ssh login using a recent openssh 6.6 (to enable multi factor auth), I want 1. public key 2. Yubikey. I tried to set it up, and it works, but if I enter an invalid yubikey instead of asking for another one or disconnecting, it just falls back to normal password login (which I dont want)? Im using "AuthenticationMethods publickey,keyboard-interactive" any ideas? |
| 08:12.12 | terr1 | wrong PAM setup or? |
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| 08:16.54 | weka | I did it!@!! |
| 08:16.57 | weka | I installed Debian! |
| 08:18.24 | qjqqyy | wow so amazing |
| 08:18.28 | cynicallemon | weka:: you da man! |
| 08:19.01 | babilen | weka: Good! Now read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html |
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| 08:21.21 | weka | Only took.... a lot of hours....... |
| 08:21.36 | weka | Time to make a random picture of the Swiz alps my background.. |
| 08:21.37 | weka | thanks |
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| 08:42.21 | junka | does debian stable get bug fix updates? |
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| 08:47.34 | heurist | junka: yes, security and bug fixes only though, not new versions. fixes in new versions are backported to the stable version in debian by the debian maintainers. |
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| 08:49.01 | bdog7 | love stable :) |
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| 08:54.09 | jelly-home | junka: only if the bugs make a piece of software unusable for most users |
| 08:54.53 | jelly-home | if the bugs are minor, or apply only in specific situations, they don't get a fix in stable |
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| 08:56.24 | smartass | hi, I have a minimal installation and deciding what to install next ... I know I want xorg, texlive, etc. ... but is there some reference for which main packages to install when I want some software consisting of several packages? |
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| 08:57.58 | some-cowbell | smartass, you want xorg (the x server)... what about x clients? |
| 08:58.36 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell smartass about install x |
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| 08:59.10 | smartass | some-cowbell: I need xorg, dwm, rxvt-unicode for a start ... just not sure which of the xorg packages is the "top" of the xorg distribution |
| 09:00.04 | smartass | what I'm looking for is some ereference or a way to determine the right package to install ... |
| 09:00.09 | jelly-home | smartass: the bot should have told you in private message, it's the "xorg" one |
| 09:00.36 | smartass | yes, I got that thanks :) |
| 09:00.52 | heurist | smartass: apt-get install dwm should do most of what you need, it will depend on xorg, and suggest rxvt-unicode iirc. |
| 09:01.05 | smartass | just looking for a different way than to ask a bot every time |
| 09:01.16 | some-cowbell | what's the d in dwm? |
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| 09:01.32 | smartass | some-cowbell: dynamic |
| 09:02.13 | some-cowbell | does that refer to a specific desktop env (like k or g)? |
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| 09:02.58 | cedwardsmedia | what’s up folks? I’m having an issue and I can’t figure out why. I’m wheezy 64 with a gigabit ethernet controller and a WD10EADX-22TDHB0 SATA HDD. the drive reports read/write speeds of 500-900 MB/s and I’ve tried everything but I can only get transfer speeds of about 5 MB/s between this machine and the others on my network (the others get 40-70 MB/s between each other. any ideas? |
| 09:03.30 | cedwardsmedia | i’ve tried different cables and whatnot, the bottleneck is somewhere on this particular machine itself. I’m out of ideas though >.< |
| 09:03.36 | smartass | some-cowbell: no, dwm is stand-alone |
| 09:03.58 | heurist | some-cowbell: dynamic window manager as in suckless' dynamic tiling window manager. |
| 09:04.12 | some-cowbell | oh, dwm is a wm and not a de |
| 09:05.33 | smartass | it seems the dpkg bot does not know about texlive |
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| 09:06.19 | junka | my wifi card needs a non-free firmware, do i need non-free in my sources? is there any other way? |
| 09:06.48 | some-cowbell | to get the firmware from a source other than debian maybe? |
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| 09:06.56 | heurist | junka: non-free stuff comes from the non-free repo in your sources. |
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| 09:08.21 | heurist | smartass: what do you want the bot to tell you about texlive? just try a apt-cache depends texlive at the terminal, or apt-get install texlive and see what it suggest. use the tools. aptitude is nice as well for exploring packages. |
| 09:09.05 | some-cowbell | junka, it might turn out that you need that firmware for your card. if that turns out to be the case, what would you want to do? |
| 09:09.45 | junka | some-cowbell: well i need wifi :( |
| 09:10.22 | some-cowbell | so... then you'd want to have the firmware even if it's considered non-free by debian? |
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| 09:10.39 | heurist | junka: there is nothing wrong with using non-free in your sources. it is about licensing not about price or morality or anything. |
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| 09:13.03 | junka | some-cowbell: unless i cant get my wifi working |
| 09:14.25 | some-cowbell | probably you need that firmware... perhaps unfortunate, but you probably have to get it, as part of what you need to get the wifi going |
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| 09:15.10 | some-cowbell | we can help you with that part, if you would run lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 09:15.32 | some-cowbell | and tell us, how many lines of text do you get? |
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| 09:16.19 | some-cowbell | if 2, maybe that's one for your wireless and one for a wired interface |
| 09:16.49 | junka | some-cowbell: two |
| 09:16.58 | junka | some-cowbell: exactly |
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| 09:17.38 | some-cowbell | ok, so in each of those lines, you should have this hex number, in a form like: [1234:abcd] |
| 09:17.56 | junka | yes i do |
| 09:18.01 | some-cowbell | if we could see both of those, we can ask another bot to give more info |
| 09:18.31 | junka | [1969:1063] and [8086:0083] |
| 09:18.42 | some-cowbell | ok, |
| 09:19.01 | some-cowbell | , pciid 1969:1063 |
| 09:19.02 | judd | [1969:1063] is 'AR8131 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'atl1c' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1063 |
| 09:19.12 | some-cowbell | that's your wired? |
| 09:19.23 | junka | yes |
| 09:19.39 | some-cowbell | that one's working now? |
| 09:19.54 | junka | no my wifi |
| 09:21.27 | some-cowbell | small parse glitch: the AR8131 Gigabit Ethernet is your wired, -and- your wired is working right now? (meaning we ignore that since it's not what you're asking about) |
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| 09:22.51 | some-cowbell | meanwhile, let's take a quick look at the other one |
| 09:22.58 | some-cowbell | , pciid 8086:0083 |
| 09:22.59 | judd | [8086:0083] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [Condor Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0083 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
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| 09:23.31 | some-cowbell | and that would be your wireless |
| 09:24.25 | some-cowbell | maybe the firmware (which is not the driver yet... so many details...) is in the package firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 09:24.47 | towo` | no, is not |
| 09:24.51 | some-cowbell | and you will need non-free sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 09:25.16 | towo` | firmware-iwlwifi wozld be the right firmware |
| 09:25.23 | junka | yes towo` is right |
| 09:25.29 | some-cowbell | towo`, oh, ok, thanks for that |
| 09:25.35 | cynicallemon | i think theres a newer iwlwifi in backports too |
| 09:26.06 | some-cowbell | , info firmware-iwlwifi |
| 09:26.07 | judd | Package firmware-iwlwifi (non-free/kernel, optional) in wheezy/i386: Binary firmware for Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 and 802.11n cards. Version: 0.36+wheezy.1; Size: 3494.9k; Installed: 7226k; Homepage: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git |
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| 09:27.15 | some-cowbell | according to that, you'd still need non-free sources in your sources.list file... |
| 09:27.23 | junka | ok |
| 09:28.06 | some-cowbell | one decision to make nowish, is do you want the newer one in backports? (well first let;s see if its there) |
| 09:28.14 | some-cowbell | , v firmware-iwlwifi |
| 09:28.16 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.41~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.43 |
| 09:28.49 | some-cowbell | so, yes it is. do you want the current one or the newer one? |
| 09:29.02 | junka | dunno |
| 09:29.09 | cynicallemon | ive actually used the one from sid on wheezy without any issues |
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| 09:30.49 | some-cowbell | ok. do you want to take it from here, or would you like further assistance? |
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| 09:32.13 | junka | some-cowbell: i think i will be ok, if i need further assistance i'll ask here |
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| 09:32.16 | junka | some-cowbell: thank you |
| 09:32.33 | sweb | shutdown -rF now not reboot my server |
| 09:32.49 | sweb | i need to reboot and check dist |
| 09:33.08 | cynicallemon | sweb, sudo reboot? |
| 09:33.08 | some-cowbell | cool :) |
| 09:33.21 | sweb | cynicallemon: i'm via root |
| 09:33.25 | sweb | The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
| 09:33.32 | sweb | but nothing happened |
| 09:33.43 | sweb | i'm still got ssh terminal :| |
| 09:33.53 | cynicallemon | sweb, so simple |
| 09:34.13 | sweb | cynicallemon: ? |
| 09:34.23 | some-cowbell | sweb, this is a remote? |
| 09:34.32 | sweb | some-cowbell: yep |
| 09:34.46 | sweb | my terminal must be time out |
| 09:34.57 | sweb | cause ssh server will be close berfore shutdown |
| 09:34.59 | cynicallemon | either ssh into it again in terminal or open new terminal window and ssh into it |
| 09:35.11 | sweb | but i have terminal well |
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| 09:36.07 | sweb | cynicallemon: ofcourse i can well login with another session |
| 09:36.23 | sweb | `reboot -f` will reboot the server |
| 09:36.35 | sweb | but i need to fource check disk using shutdown -rF |
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| 09:38.47 | heurist | sweb: run touch /forcefsck before you reboot, it will do a disk check on next boot. |
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| 09:39.41 | some-cowbell | -F on shutdown is sposed to do that too |
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| 09:40.00 | sweb | problem solved ... shutdown need to confirm all running processes ... i have websocket process that can not be handle signal for shutdown ... so shutdown never be confirm for run |
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| 09:42.46 | heurist | sweb: forcing hard reboot is not a good idea, maybe force kill that faulty process and then do a normal shutdown or reboot to keep everything else safe. |
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| 09:43.01 | sweb | heurist: right |
| 09:43.09 | goose | I've home a home debian server running on an old laptop, with a USB printer sitting next to it. Is it reasonably easy enough to set up a print server on that laptop over ssh? I've never done it via cli, only gui |
| 09:44.15 | some-cowbell | I guess you could put cups on it, then configure it |
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| 09:44.20 | relaxed | goose: ssh in and use elinks to connect to the cups web interface |
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| 09:45.16 | cynicallemon | you dont need ssh or elinks |
| 09:45.34 | amitprakash | Hi, while trying to boot into a debian container, I am facing INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 09:45.39 | amitprakash | How do I resolve this issue? |
| 09:45.46 | goose | relaxed: thanks! Just the kind of solution I was looking for! |
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| 09:46.27 | petern_ | amitprakash, remove id 1 from inittab |
| 09:46.30 | cynicallemon | cups creates a webserver on machine on port 631 i think, just web browse to it from another machine and configure |
| 09:46.45 | petern_ | amitprakash, or create tty device nodes |
| 09:46.46 | amitprakash | petern_, this happens for all init ids? |
| 09:47.12 | amitprakash | http://pastebin.com/uTFXpxE7 |
| 09:47.23 | petern_ | amitprakash, it is trying to run getty, but without the ttyX device nodes, getty can't run |
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| 09:47.43 | amitprakash | shouldn't debootstrap automatically be populating the /dev/ttyX devices? |
| 09:47.53 | amitprakash | or lxc for that matter |
| 09:50.00 | petern_ | debootstrap has other uses than making lxc containers |
| 09:51.36 | petern_ | on my containers the first getty is set to use /dev/console, and the rest are commented out |
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| 09:52.27 | amitprakash | petern_, how do I set up the ttys? |
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| 09:53.00 | junka | which debian tree stable/testing/unstable is recommended for a home user and daily stuff? |
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| 09:54.49 | heurist | junka: stable |
| 09:57.15 | amitprakash | petern_, ooh, single user mode boots fine :D |
| 09:57.43 | petern_ | even if you make the ttyX nodes, i don't think there's any way to access them |
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| 10:11.49 | cynicallemon | junka, for a stress free life then stable |
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| 10:12.24 | weka | Anyone know how I can install Flsah for Chrome? :| |
| 10:12.29 | weka | I tried google... it doesn't work. |
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| 10:13.04 | formorer | install pepperflashplugin-nonfree from backports / non-free |
| 10:13.05 | asuslaptop | is there a proof that Intel 4xxx graphics run well on Debian ? |
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| 10:13.32 | cynicallemon | weka, or install chrome itself |
| 10:14.11 | junka | heurist: cynicallemon thanks :) |
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| 10:16.09 | asuslaptop | is there any evidence of Debian running Intel 4400 fully ? |
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| 10:16.13 | asuslaptop | graphics |
| 10:16.26 | babilen | weka: Did you already read the chapter in the debian handbook I linked earlier? And did you configure your sources.list as I asked you to? (cf. http://paste.debian.net/114507) |
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| 10:19.24 | cynicallemon | babilen, most average users can forget the deb-src entries |
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| 10:22.27 | babilen | cynicallemon: It doesn't matter, they won't hurt and I'd rather use a complete example than having to walk users through the hoops of configuring exactly what they need at that moment every single time |
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| 10:24.01 | cynicallemon | babilen, if you are on a slow net connection it can make a difference but true, it doesnt hurt otherwise |
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| 10:26.52 | socketguru | does debian 7.4 have systemd |
| 10:27.30 | heurist | socketguru: systemd is available for you to install, it is not the default. |
| 10:27.44 | cynicallemon | socketguru, no but youre welcome to it |
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| 10:28.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell asuslaptop -about smart questoins |
| 10:28.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell asuslaptop -about smart questions |
| 10:29.29 | cynicallemon | heurist, has testing got systemd? i know sid has |
| 10:29.30 | babilen | socketguru: It is packaged, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend to use the version in wheezy. Why? Do you run wheezy and would you like to use systemd? |
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| 10:30.34 | heurist | cynicallemon: shhh. we do not talk about testing here. also I do not use testing. but I hear that systemd will be default in jessie. |
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| 10:31.24 | cynicallemon | :) |
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| 10:31.47 | asuslaptop | so any INtel HD 4400 user here ? |
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| 10:32.10 | heurist | dpkg: tell asuslaptop -about poll |
| 10:32.11 | cynicallemon | asuslaptop, if there are they might be asleep |
| 10:32.56 | valentt | haven't used ftp on debian for a long time, which is recommended daemon to install and setup for secure ftp server on debian? |
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| 10:33.47 | asuslaptop | cynicallemon: ok |
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| 10:34.59 | cynicallemon | valentt, ssh supports sftp |
| 10:35.08 | weka | So here's a weird thing.. my Debian application names are in CHinese... |
| 10:35.12 | weka | I am not kidding you. |
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| 10:35.49 | weka | Going to Languages, Its set to UNSPECIFIED [ANSI_X3.4-1968] |
| 10:36.16 | cynicallemon | weka, sounds like your locale setting maybe wrong |
| 10:36.36 | weka | The UI isn't in Chinese |
| 10:36.41 | weka | just the apps when I search for them |
| 10:36.56 | onorua | guys, what would you recommend to use for IP failover for border GW based on Debian? |
| 10:36.57 | weka | There we go.. I fixed it |
| 10:37.05 | onorua | Currently Im experimenting with ucarp |
| 10:37.34 | onorua | but I don't know how to make "group" of IPs, in case one side failed, it should be switched |
| 10:37.39 | grandie | want to setup a new computer with debian and wanted to know if it is recommended to use btrfs |
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| 10:37.58 | babilen | weka: "just the apps when I search for them" What? Where are you searching? Which programs or packages or whatever are you finding? How did you fix this particular issue now? |
| 10:38.13 | weka | I fixed it |
| 10:38.26 | babilen | What did you do and what was it? |
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| 10:38.49 | weka | I changed the language the format it was in from UNSPECIFIED [ANSI_X3.4-1968] to English |
| 10:39.07 | babilen | Where was that set and where did you change? |
| 10:39.13 | babilen | + it |
| 10:39.44 | weka | it was set to UNSPECIFIED [ANSI_X3.4-1968] |
| 10:39.57 | babilen | Where? |
| 10:39.58 | weka | I changed by searching for languages and region |
| 10:40.01 | babilen | gives up |
| 10:40.08 | weka | in the "show computer in this languagE" |
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| 10:40.15 | heurist | grandie: I have found btrfs to get very slow after using it for a while, things that take milliseconds on ext4/xfs take seconds on btrfs, apt is very slow. There are some nice features but until the speed improves by a few orders of magnitude I will be avoiding it in the future. |
| 10:40.35 | weka | Hey |
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| 10:40.40 | weka | How do you guys install Dropbox? |
| 10:40.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell weka about dropbox |
| 10:40.53 | weka | I'm doing the cd ~ && wget way |
| 10:41.09 | babilen | weka: And take a look at https://git-annex.branchable.com/assistant/ |
| 10:41.10 | weka | But after I do ~/.dropbox-dist/dropboxd ... my terminal hangs... |
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| 10:41.31 | babilen | We don't support dropbox. |
| 10:41.57 | weka | ah darn |
| 10:41.58 | grandie | heurist, thanks, i don't want to do something i will regret later |
| 10:42.20 | weka | Dropbox doesn't work on Debian darn indeed. |
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| 10:43.16 | babilen | It does work (some colleagues use it), but you would have to seek support elsewhere as dropbox is not packaged in Debian and therefore not supported by us here. |
| 10:43.22 | heurist | grandie: I have regretted it for 12 of the 16 months I have used it, keep meaning to reinstall this box to get rid of it, but never get round to it. |
| 10:44.08 | babilen | weka: Take a look at https://git-annex.branchable.com/assistant/remote_sharing_walkthrough/ -- you might like it |
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| 10:44.18 | heurist | weka: the web interface to dropbox works fine though, when forced to use it I just use that in my browser. |
| 10:44.44 | grandie | heurist: i was lead to believe that debian was moving to btrfs in the next release |
| 10:44.58 | babilen | grandie: haha, good one |
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| 10:45.36 | cynicallemon | isnt btrfs like the "the year of the linux desktop" |
| 10:45.46 | grandie | babilen: only repeating what i heard, must have been someone from window$ |
| 10:46.01 | weka | I will take a look. thanks |
| 10:46.09 | heurist | grandie: two years ago everyone "was moving to btrfs soon" that does not correlate with reality though, there are too many issues. xfs is taking over as the "next" fs. |
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| 10:47.30 | grandie | heurist: looks like i better start looking at xfs to understand the differences than |
| 10:47.59 | babilen | ZFS! |
| 10:48.13 | heurist | grandie: or just stick with ext4, xfs may go the way of btrfs and never emerge, though I doubt it, vfs actually looks quite solid. |
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| 10:48.27 | heurist | s/vfs/xfs/ |
| 10:48.28 | muhbot | heurist meant to say: grandie: or just stick with ext4, xfs may go the way of btrfs and never emerge, though I doubt it, xfs actually looks quite solid. |
| 10:48.35 | grandie | babilen: is that the one we "debian" will be using in the future |
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| 10:49.19 | cynicallemon | zfs will be the defacto in a few years |
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| 10:50.07 | babilen | grandie: Debian will use ext* for the foreseeable future, but will, naturally, support additional filesystems. ZFS is what you would actually want, but using it on Linux was/is hampered by licensing issues. Read up on it as there is no point in walking your through this in here. (nor do I have the story memorised) |
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| 10:51.32 | grandie | babilen: heurist: thanks for the assistance, looks i will take the advice given and stay with ext |
| 10:52.07 | cynicallemon | babilen, i think openzfs gets around those issues |
| 10:52.36 | babilen | It will, but using ZFS was/is still severely hampered by licensing issues (more than anything else) |
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| 10:53.03 | junka | i found out about a netinst with non-free firmware does that mean that installs the non-free firmware too? or is it just for the live session? |
| 10:53.35 | babilen | junka: The netinst images aren't Live CDs and yes they will install firmware. |
| 10:53.38 | babilen | (IIRC) |
| 10:54.47 | babilen | junka: There are also Live CDs with firmware (http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable+nonfree/) but I have no experience with their installer and wouldn't recommend a live CD for installing Debian anyway. |
| 10:55.01 | cynicallemon | junka, netinst and will prompt you for non-free firmware if it detects say an intel wifi card |
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| 10:55.16 | junka | does it at least install the firmwares i need or installs all non-free firmware? |
| 10:55.32 | babilen | junka: What are you referring to? |
| 10:56.45 | babilen | But then i'm not sure. I can assure you that as a lower bound the firmware packages you need (i.e. those that are loaded during the installation) will be installed. It might, however, very well be the case that all are installed. Why don't you try it and see? What do you *want* to happen? |
| 10:56.53 | babilen | junka: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 10:57.28 | junka | babilen: I don't want to install unnessasery firmware, i only need one package |
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| 11:01.02 | babilen | junka: You can also just put that single package on your USB if you prefer that or just remove firmware packages you don't need after the initial install. My guess would be that you get those packages that were requested, but I am not sure, so try it! |
| 11:01.44 | babilen | Don't forget to install microcode for your CPU after the initial install though as a buggy CPU is something you might not want. -- /msg dpkg microcode |
| 11:02.46 | heurist | junka: I am pretty sure, from memory, that having the installer need non-free firmware (and giving it that firmware) makes it add non-free to sources.list and installs the firware it needed, but nothing else. |
| 11:03.32 | junka | babilen, heurist thanks again :) |
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| 11:04.56 | junka | babilen: thanks i did not know that, but i have a question. I have an intel 64-bit cpu. Should i install intel-microcode or amd64-microcode? |
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| 11:06.02 | heurist | junka: intel |
| 11:06.26 | junka | thanks |
| 11:06.28 | cynicallemon | yep intel |
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| 11:11.22 | ahmetcan | hi |
| 11:11.40 | ahmetcan | I want install mysql to debian wheezy machine |
| 11:11.46 | ahmetcan | apt-get install mysql-server |
| 11:11.50 | ahmetcan | I get error: |
| 11:12.02 | ahmetcan | Unable to set password for the MySQL "root" user |
| 11:12.02 | Fjorgynn | aha |
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| 11:12.35 | ahmetcan | I purge package and remove all mysql files. And reinstall mysql-server I get same error |
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| 11:12.52 | junka | should i install "iucode_tool" too? |
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| 11:14.37 | heurist | junka: unless you know what you are doing you should probably install recomended packages when installing stuff |
| 11:15.04 | junka | heurist: ok |
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| 11:20.31 | junka | does my intel vga need a driver? |
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| 11:26.56 | Fjorgynn | lol |
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| 11:57.00 | NiLon | ahmetcan try dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server |
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| 12:15.59 | asuslaptop | any debian testing user here ? |
| 12:16.39 | asuslaptop | I want to know how often does Debian Testing get updates ? |
| 12:16.40 | heurist | asuslaptop: questions about jessie are better addressed to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 12:19.10 | babilen | asuslaptop: Four times a day |
| 12:19.38 | babilen | asuslaptop: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html |
| 12:19.41 | asuslaptop | babilen: omg really ? ok I am going back to Xubuntu 14 or Fedora now I am tired of all this |
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| 12:20.01 | babilen | Okay, have fun! |
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| 12:29.00 | cynicallemon | another satisfied customer |
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| 13:00.03 | dbristow | What is the history of Linux executable formats? I know it started off with a.out, then did we go to coff before elf? And when did shared libraries come into being? |
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| 13:00.24 | DePhille | Hello there. I'm currently running debian 7.6 (wheezy), which has cmake version 2.8.9. However, I need at least cmake 2.8.11. What would be the cleanest/easiest way to upgrade to cmake 2.8.11? |
| 13:00.24 | mikechelen | anyone know if any there is a floss version of the rar/unrar commands? trying to use comix and it depends on unrar |
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| 13:01.28 | heurist | ,v cmake |
| 13:01.28 | zykotick9 | mikechelen: there is an unrar-free package, but no rar equivalant. rar need to die IMO |
| 13:01.29 | judd | Package: cmake on i386 -- squeeze: 2.8.2+dfsg.1-0+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.8.9-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.8.9-1; wheezy-backports: 2.8.11.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.8.12.1-1.6; sid: 2.8.12.2-1; experimental: 3.0.0-1 |
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| 13:02.16 | Brigo | DePhille, you have to install it from backports as you can see in judd message |
| 13:02.20 | dbristow | Ya, if you need gzip-like, there's xz, and if you need zip-like, there's 7zip. Rar is no longer the best compression format. |
| 13:02.28 | DePhille | Indeed, I also found that list, which seems to indicate that I need the "backport" equivalent of wheezy |
| 13:02.29 | heurist | DePhille: there is cmake 2.8.11 in backports use that |
| 13:02.35 | mikechelen | zykotick9: ah ok ill try unrar-free |
| 13:02.40 | DePhille | Okay, I'll look up what bkacports is, thanks! |
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| 13:03.34 | heurist | dpkg: tell DePhille -about backports |
| 13:04.11 | DePhille | Whoa, thank you very much! |
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| 13:39.45 | SirLagz | woo random segfaults. |
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| 13:44.05 | petern_ | Check your memory... |
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| 13:48.32 | SirLagz | petern_: already done, apparently clean. |
| 13:48.45 | SirLagz | petern_: also just finished a full bad blocks scan, no bad blocks. |
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| 13:49.17 | SirLagz | i tried to test the system last night to make it segfault...and it was rock solid last night. Now I try and use it, and its seg faulting. *sigh* |
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| 13:57.59 | mm3m4m | Heh I was wondering how pulseaudio was default for debian testing one month ago when I installed my laptop. Appers that it have bluetooth which bring gnome-bluetooth packge and it brings: pulseaudio, apache2-bin, nautilus and more... |
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| 13:59.23 | TJ- | SirLagz: A bad blocks scan does not report files who's contents may have been randomly corrupted so they are no longer valid code. Regardless of that though, trying to catch an example segfault under debugger control would be useful |
| 13:59.26 | SirLagz | mm3m4m: dependency fun |
| 13:59.37 | SirLagz | TJ-: yeah, I'm trying to do a scan of the filesystem now |
| 14:00.03 | SirLagz | TJ-: I was suspecting bad disk because it's an old 320GB disk, but now realise it could be simple FS corruption |
| 14:00.10 | olivier_bK | how i can change Privileged ports can only be forwarded by root |
| 14:00.11 | olivier_bK | ? |
| 14:00.25 | SirLagz | TJ-: Just need to work out how to scan the FS now haha |
| 14:00.41 | TJ- | SirLagz: will the same executable always segfault? if not, unlike that _that_ binary is corrupted, but corruption in a library can cause widespread weirdness |
| 14:00.57 | SirLagz | TJ-: maybe...apt was segfaulting before |
| 14:01.01 | SirLagz | TJ-: but it's not now. |
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| 14:04.18 | TJ- | SirLagz: there was a recent bug in a CVE patch on Ubuntu with eglibc (2.11.1) ... could it be the same underlying cause? |
| 14:05.32 | SirLagz | TJ-: maybe...though I just realised that it's probably hardware |
| 14:05.37 | SirLagz | TJ-: the machine fails to boot sometimes lol |
| 14:06.16 | SirLagz | as in freezes on the POST screen |
| 14:06.39 | TJ- | SirLagz: power starvation? |
| 14:06.52 | SirLagz | TJ-: nope, new PSU |
| 14:07.05 | SirLagz | TJ-: with plenty of juice for bootup at least |
| 14:07.22 | TJ- | SirLagz: So? new kit is more likely to die early than older kit that has been running fine ... capacitors excepting, of course |
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| 14:07.55 | TJ- | SirLagz: over clocking of the mobo? |
| 14:07.59 | SirLagz | TJ-: when I saw new PSU, I mean new. I've barely turned it on a dozen times with the new PSU |
| 14:08.03 | SirLagz | TJ-: nope, stock clock settings |
| 14:08.08 | SirLagz | s/saw/say |
| 14:09.13 | TJ- | SirLagz: were the problems happening before the new PSU? Also, how about the mobo's power regulators - capacitors in those did have a reputation for a while |
| 14:09.40 | SirLagz | TJ-: yes, i bought the new psu because i suspected a power issue |
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| 14:09.59 | TJ- | SirLagz: what is the make/model of the mobo? |
| 14:10.10 | SirLagz | TJ-: i'm currently suspecting mobo / cpu / gfx now |
| 14:10.21 | SirLagz | asus p5n-sli. oldschool lol |
| 14:10.51 | mm3m4m | maybe bad ram :) (not expert here, just idea) |
| 14:11.05 | SirLagz | mm3m4m: already did the standard memory tests |
| 14:11.13 | TJ- | mm3m4m: Yeah, my thought was thought I think SirLagz said he'd run memtest thoroughly |
| 14:11.23 | SirLagz | its so intermittent though =\ |
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| 14:11.27 | TJ- | SirLagz: how long did you let memtest run for? |
| 14:11.33 | SirLagz | TJ-: overnight |
| 14:11.41 | SirLagz | TJ-: i think it did around 8 passes |
| 14:12.18 | TJ- | SirLagz: I had a server a few months ago with the same symptoms... memtest showed a sticky bit in RAM... I swapped the modules around in the sockets and the physical re-fit fixed it permanently |
| 14:12.42 | SirLagz | mm |
| 14:13.36 | SirLagz | would the sticky bit have shown up as an error ? |
| 14:14.34 | SirLagz | hmm. it seems filesystem still has errors after i fscked it |
| 14:14.39 | SirLagz | must have done it wrong =\ |
| 14:16.15 | asuslaptop | hi |
| 14:16.28 | asuslaptop | mrtux: hi |
| 14:16.34 | SirLagz | time to retry the fsck |
| 14:16.58 | SirLagz | aaaand its frozen lol |
| 14:17.35 | SirLagz | slaps computer |
| 14:17.42 | TJ- | SirLagz: Yes, that is what memtest exercises for amongst other things. I'm reading a forum post about that mobo which talks about whistling capacitors, but also says about another identical mobo: "...Only to find that there were two caps right next to the socket, which were rattling and loose. One of them has even come out of the holes..." they go on to say after resoldering the mobo was fine |
| 14:18.02 | SirLagz | hmm interesting |
| 14:18.12 | SirLagz | i didn't notice anything loose last time i opened it up |
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| 14:18.37 | SirLagz | might be worth taking another look i guess |
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| 14:19.37 | TJ- | SirLagz: Another possibility is that the RAM timings set in BIOS do not actually match the RAM modules, despite the SPD. It would be worth cross-checking that. |
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| 14:20.06 | SirLagz | TJ-: will also do that |
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| 14:22.11 | TJ- | SirLagz: Was there any change to the system just before these symptoms started - most of the time I can trace this kind of issue to some change in hardware, some tinkering with the system, some config change. Sometimes a simple BIOS "Reload factory defaults" will clear it |
| 14:22.21 | groucho | hello.... I'd appreciate some help with my laptop's power button causing a direct shutdown while also popping up Gnome's shutdown menu, and not giving me time to select to hibernate instead, after a recent stable dist-upgrade from Wheezy 7.5 to Wheezy 7.6 |
| 14:22.30 | SirLagz | TJ-: not that i remember |
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| 14:23.21 | SirLagz | TJ-: then again, this system has been buikt and rebuilt so many times...perhaps it had this issue before and i forgot |
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| 14:28.51 | groucho | I just don't understand how it is that the power button's push event is caught in user space and what script is invoked in response, and how is that Gnome gets in the middle of that plumbing to consume the event |
| 14:30.38 | SirLagz | signal 11 is segfault isnt it |
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| 14:32.39 | groucho | /etc/acpi/powerbtn-acpi-support.sh has something to do. The error seems to be that Gnome does not prevent that script from running |
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| 14:35.42 | SirLagz | lol. segfault when booting |
| 14:35.43 | DEA7TH | If my process is a 64 bit Intel, do I still download the AMD installation? |
| 14:35.51 | daemonkeeper | Yes. |
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| 14:37.15 | anddam | what process is it that we're talking about? |
| 14:37.25 | DEA7TH | processor* |
| 14:37.27 | DEA7TH | oops |
| 14:37.32 | anddam | makes sense |
| 14:37.41 | daemonkeeper | The answer is still yes. |
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| 14:38.53 | DEA7TH | I believe it would be very useful to include a guide for choosing your distro in the home page, because I'm always confused between all the options, and now it turned out that even if I knew more about my processor, I'd still be confused |
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| 14:38.55 | somiaj | !why amd64 |
| 14:38.56 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/x86-64 |
| 14:38.59 | anddam | the difference is in nomenclature IIRC, AMD came out first with 64 bit extension to x86 and therefore their eISA was called amd64, Intel later "officialized" its extension (mostly compatible with amd64) calling it x86-64 |
| 14:39.14 | DEA7TH | I found that information on a rather secluded page which I found via Google |
| 14:39.27 | anddam | ah I like when the robots agree with me |
| 14:39.54 | daemonkeeper | Well. You don't ask either if i386 runs on your AMD CPU :) |
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| 14:40.29 | daemonkeeper | Which is the same case, just vice versa. |
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| 14:50.50 | peterrooney | "historic reasons" irk me. |
| 14:51.26 | SirLagz | hmmm i wonder if it is a RAM issue...only have 1 stick of RAM in now and its not segfaukting. but then again last night it wasnt segfaulting either. dammit |
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| 14:59.22 | TJ- | SirLagz: sounds familar. Try putting the removed stick in on its own.... then try with the sticks togethe but in the opposite slots to what they were in originally. See if the fault follows the slot, or the module |
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| 15:11.30 | foobar64 | Hi! I want my apache to only listen to: IP, name1, name2. All other requests should be denied. I have no idea how to differ between "IP" and "names other than name1/name2", see my current conf: http://paste.debian.net/114534/ |
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| 15:22.28 | dexta | afternoon |
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| 15:25.44 | iveevue | foobar64, read the documentation. |
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| 15:27.24 | foobar64 | oO ... well ... I did. I read about name-based and ip-based virtualhosts, and I found examples for mixed use of them, but not for /simultaneous/ use of name/ip-based. Can you give me any more hints? A keyword I might have overlooked maybe? |
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| 15:33.05 | Bert_2 | Hi, I run squeeze-lts and installed updates about an hour ago, among them was, I think, an update to munin-node, sine the update I keep getting the following error message. This is mentioned in bug 687495 from 2012. But I can't find any recent information on it. How can I find out whether this might actually be a new bug? |
| 15:33.10 | Bert_2 | Use of uninitialized value $ENV{"MUNIN_PLUGSTATE"} in concatenation (.) or string at /etc/munin/plugins/apt_all line 55. |
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| 15:36.46 | Guest96303 | hey folks what is the command to take the changes on terminalrc effect |
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| 15:47.22 | terr1 | DO wheezy have a real ffmpeg package yet or still only in testing or such? |
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| 15:47.54 | ompaul | ,ffmpeg |
| 15:47.59 | ompaul | ,v ffmpeg |
| 15:48.00 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on i386 -- squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.7.16-dmo1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.12-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 6:0.8.13-1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.13-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.3.1-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:2.3.1-dmo1 |
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| 15:48.34 | terr1 | yeah but in debian it still is Libav right? havent created a real ffmpeg package? |
| 15:50.07 | dutchfish | Bert_2, the solution is in #17 of this link https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687495 |
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| 15:50.20 | dutchfish | Bert_2, got this myself a while back |
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| 15:52.03 | ompaul | terr1: real is what you want it to be those are version numbers you can check them against your imagination of whatever you want and then if you don't like the debian solution use whatever other system you want |
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| 15:52.24 | ompaul | it's really great this choice, nobody can force you to do it a way you don't want to |
| 15:53.39 | terr1 | ompaul: its a choice if you are provided with the alternative.. But no reason to discusss it here.. already discussed in great length other places.. :) I will just compile like 90% of the rest :) |
| 15:54.50 | ompaul | terr1: the choice is use debian as debian intended - use debian and do your own managed delta - use something else |
| 15:55.08 | terr1 | ompaul: we will see.. :) |
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| 15:55.39 | dutchfish | Bert_2, and here https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687912 |
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| 15:57.57 | kale | hi, i want to set up kvm, but am new to the subject. is there a debian/kvm guide out there? |
| 15:58.06 | SirLagz | kale: have you had a look at proxmox ? |
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| 15:58.20 | dutchfish | !kvm |
| 15:58.21 | dpkg | Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged as qemu-kvm since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". See http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions, also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/FAQ http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:58.24 | kale | SirLagz: i know of proxmox, but i would relly like to learn kvm |
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| 16:00.38 | Bert_2 | dutchfish: I see, and did you find a way to solve it? Cause it's annoying for one, and supposed to just work :P |
| 16:01.18 | dutchfish | Bert_2, well, i solved it with the instructions in the last link, i believe, its a while back |
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| 16:01.43 | dutchfish | Bert_2, also make sure you have a working config |
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| 16:02.55 | dutchfish | Bert_2, if that doesnt work out, ask again |
| 16:03.44 | dutchfish | Bert_2, fyi i have munin on wheezy but still some nodes on squeeze-lts |
| 16:03.51 | Bert_2 | dutchfish: thx, I'll have a look |
| 16:03.55 | dutchfish | Bert_2, yw |
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| 16:04.21 | Bert_2 | dutchfish: I have a similar setup, my nodes run squeeze-lts, my main munin runs raspbian with munin2 |
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| 16:04.36 | Bert_2 | Anyway, off to dinner first, then I'll hopefully fix munin :P |
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| 16:05.01 | dutchfish | Bert_2, i havent tested that setup, but it should work, because that setup is simular to wheezy |
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| 16:05.46 | Bert_2 | dutchfish: I'll check the package versions after dinner, they might be the same :) |
| 16:05.53 | dutchfish | oki |
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| 16:18.15 | ompaul | Bluewolf: security: updates to stable are generally very quick for security. apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade are your friends (you could use the gui tools and I suspect you might. low power - lxde assuming you mean not a memory / cpu hog, if something else then you should know that IF your cpu supports it the desktop will generally work well no matter which one you choose, and stable, well stable is stable, any thing can be customised if you know how, |
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| 16:18.16 | ompaul | getting there can be more awkward with gnome ... but frankly that's what the other distro you named uses, so custom is something you can learn, as for graphics that's a matter for you to decide but you can't blame the distro if you install badly made blobs, I strongly suggest you read the wiki about graphics after you install |
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| 16:21.46 | Bluewolf | ompaul: Okay the choice for me is Gnome, KDE and LXDE. Their purpose being (Just simplify it to save the frustration)? |
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| 16:22.29 | some-cowbell | lxde is probably the lightest |
| 16:22.37 | ompaul | lxde if low power as I said |
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| 16:27.13 | Bluewolf | ompaul, Okay so of the three which suits all - Customizable, Stable, User-friendly, Low performance and security? |
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| 16:27.47 | ompaul | Bluewolf: can you not impute from the last two times I told you lxde |
| 16:27.51 | ompaul | the security |
| 16:27.58 | ompaul | is not a question - it is the same for them all |
| 16:28.04 | ompaul | the userfriendly is an opinion |
| 16:28.07 | ompaul | form your own |
| 16:28.22 | ompaul | customizable is already stated elsewhere for you |
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| 16:29.32 | Bluewolf | ompaul, "the userfriendly is an opinion" for one or all? |
| 16:29.42 | babilen | Bluewolf: You have to decide yourself. Try them all and then use whatever you prefer. Out of curiosity: Why did you rule out XFCE? |
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| 16:30.17 | babilen | You can learn how to install each by asking our about about <install gnome> <install kde> and <install lxde> -- /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 16:31.06 | babilen | (and I am sure you meant "high performance" rather than "low performance" earlier) |
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| 16:32.38 | Bluewolf | babilen, To be honest I don't know much about XFCE (I have used Gnome a lot on ubuntu and Mint). With performance I meant, which works well while using the least resources. |
| 16:33.37 | ompaul | and how is xfce to be imputed from the data given here in the questions here |
| 16:33.45 | ompaul | mutters something |
| 16:33.55 | babilen | We can't tell you what you like. I'd personally never use KDE or LXDE (don't like them) and am using a lightweight window manager (i3) with various applications that belong to the Gnome suite. |
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| 16:34.44 | babilen | So, read up on each project and try them for yourself. We can and will help you to install them, but everything else is up to you (and also slightly outside the scope of this channel). |
| 16:35.23 | babilen | KDE and Gnome are certainly heavier than LXDE and XFCE while you might like some of their additional features (or you might now) |
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| 16:37.01 | Bluewolf | babilen, Understood, Thanks. |
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| 16:38.19 | Bluewolf | ompaul, Thank you too, getting impatient helps no one. My apologies for bugging you. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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| 16:51.26 | MrMonkey31 | Bluewolf: I'd steer away from KDE if you are finicky, I haven't played with it that much but encountered crashes when I had done. (Tried several versions including the newest on a machine running SuSe. Just got a bad overall impression) |
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| 16:52.28 | MrMonkey31 | the crashes were soft, mind you. felt like I was in a pillow fight :-> |
| 16:53.10 | mtn | MrMonkey31: oddly enought, kde has always worked fine when I tried it. just like gnome, xfce and others. they all have worked fine. |
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| 16:53.33 | Bluewolf | MrMonkey31, Okay thank you for the info. After the experiences with Ubuntu 14.04 a crash to me is a building falling down. |
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| 16:53.37 | mtn | MrMonkey31: of course, I don't run suse :P |
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| 16:57.38 | MrMonkey31 | well, it was not like to be distro-related was the point I was going for. I've tried a couple DE's on Debian without problems, also :} I still find myself craving a little better implementation of the file manager |
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| 17:54.21 | doebi | where can i get javax for debian? |
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| 18:05.15 | trampel | doebi: libservlet2.5-java supplies some javax ...servlet on my box. and there are javax crypto and vector packages available. that is, what do you mean by javax? |
| 18:06.35 | MY123 | doebi: Do you mean JavaFX ? |
| 18:07.02 | MY123 | *are you meaning |
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| 18:10.07 | eyeris | I have a laptop where wlan0 is managed by network-manager but the eth0 interface is managed by ifupdown. The interfaces file does *not* include "auto eth0" but when I boot up eth0 is "UP", as shown by ifconfig and eth0:avahi is configured. |
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| 18:10.50 | eyeris | This breaks my DNS when connected to wifi but not ethernet because the DNS requests hit the 169. route |
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| 18:11.36 | eyeris | I'm having trouble determining what is causing eth0 to be UP after boot. |
| 18:12.06 | eyeris | There is an "allow-hotplug eth0" line in the interfaces file but that, AFAIK, should only trigger when I plug in an actual ethernet cable |
| 18:12.31 | eyeris | Any ideas on where I can look for hot plug events to be logged? |
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| 18:12.53 | ompaul | eyeris: syslog |
| 18:13.26 | ompaul | eyeris: paste into http://paste.debian.net the contents of /etc/network/interfaces and route -n thanks |
| 18:13.27 | eyeris | ompaul: darn... cuz it doesn't mention any eth0 hotplug events |
| 18:13.49 | eyeris | ok, on min |
| 18:13.52 | ompaul | well your eth0 is very unlikely to be hotplug |
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| 18:16.42 | eyeris | http://paste.debian.net/114557/ |
| 18:16.52 | eyeris | That has ifconfig when I booted and my interfaces file |
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| 18:17.07 | eyeris | I will have to reboot to get the problematic route table |
| 18:17.09 | eyeris | brb |
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| 18:20.58 | eyeris | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/114558/ |
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| 18:24.42 | ompaul | eyeris: kde or gnome? |
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| 18:25.51 | naptastic | I've added an IP address to an interface with no IP addresses defined, and something keeps removing it. Where should I start looking? |
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| 18:27.01 | naptastic | right now, I have `ip addr add` running inside a `while true;` loop... which is kinda gross. |
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| 18:29.11 | jordanm | naptastic: dhclient? |
| 18:30.15 | ompaul | eyeris: im going to look at a lappy here |
| 18:30.15 | naptastic | /usr/sbin/NetworkManager |
| 18:30.19 | naptastic | I bet that's it |
| 18:30.34 | naptastic | and this is a production server with clients on it... how did I ever let this happen :( |
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| 18:36.47 | halt | Hi guys, is it possibel to enable the TLSv1.2 on te current stable debian on Apache service without recomping the openssl ? |
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| 18:37.30 | ompaul | eyeris: having looked at a laptop here |
| 18:37.36 | trampel | naptastic: NetworkManager is a tenacious rubegoldbergian thing which 'just works' for a single user system. but it can be a real zombie show if your usage falls out of that theme. remove it entirely (dpkg --r) if you think it's the cause |
| 18:37.41 | ompaul | eyeris: having looked what you wrote |
| 18:38.00 | ompaul | I'd be inclined to try something a bit stranger - and move the existing network interfaces out of the way |
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| 18:38.31 | ompaul | eyeris: having backed up I'd go for this: dpkg-reconfigure network |
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| 18:38.35 | ompaul | eyeris: having backed up I'd go for this: dpkg-reconfigure networking |
| 18:38.46 | ompaul | eyeris: then start with a new network setup until you get what you want |
| 18:39.27 | ompaul | maybe even plug in some wire to get your config as you want it - but frankly I can interchange between wireless and cable restarting my networking service networking restart |
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| 18:48.26 | weka | I'm so mad at myself. |
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| 18:48.32 | weka | I already screwed up my debian T_T |
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| 18:50.33 | ompaul | weka: if very new clean install and make it happy from scratch rather than trying to fix a lot of wrong moves |
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| 18:50.56 | weka | ompaul... do you know long it took me to install Debian yesterday? |
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| 18:50.58 | ompaul | if old back up your data and then consider your opetions |
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| 18:51.05 | ompaul | weka: what is your bandwidth? |
| 18:51.12 | ompaul | and do you have wire? |
| 18:51.19 | weka | no... |
| 18:51.40 | ompaul | weka: and you did it using a disk? |
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| 18:51.43 | weka | I'll just check my etc/hosts file to see why my localhost is getting re-directed to domain1.com |
| 18:51.51 | weka | Yes.. via DVD |
| 18:52.00 | ompaul | so you have the big bit done |
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| 18:52.19 | ompaul | now you can do that second part and make sure you have the bits for your network before you flatline it |
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| 18:54.02 | ompaul | weka: what is the name of the hardware you use for routing ... I wonder if it dhcp offers that domain1.com stuff |
| 18:54.21 | weka | linksys... |
| 18:54.29 | ompaul | weka: .com is a bad idea |
| 18:54.46 | weka | i was doing testing..... |
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| 18:54.52 | ompaul | then you expect to break |
| 18:54.57 | ompaul | scratches head |
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| 18:56.40 | weka | Is there any way to search for a "string" in my debian |
| 18:56.56 | weka | There has to be something making my debian's localhost redirect to domain1.com |
| 18:56.57 | Aaron | hi i have a question i just install debian right i have windows 8 but every time i want grub to boot; i have to press f9 and boot from the h/d can someone help me? |
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| 18:58.33 | ompaul | weka: you could as root grep -R domain1.com /etc/* |
| 18:59.09 | weka | Doing that now.. thanks ompaul |
| 18:59.11 | Aaron | can someone help me? |
| 18:59.48 | weka | I got no hits :( |
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| 19:00.17 | ompaul | weka: what does host localhost say |
| 19:00.32 | weka | what do you mean what does localhost say |
| 19:00.43 | ompaul | weka: read the line again please |
| 19:00.47 | weka | Everytime I type "localhost" in my browser.. I get re-directed to domain1.com |
| 19:00.51 | halt | Aaron: that's probaly means that the groub is installed on the first partion insted of the boot partion |
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| 19:01.06 | Aaron | i did grub-install /dev/sda |
| 19:01.12 | Aaron | and it finish with out any error |
| 19:01.19 | ompaul | weka: host localhost |
| 19:01.20 | Aaron | but still i cannot get grub to boot first; |
| 19:01.39 | ompaul | weka: I have an expectation please let me know what you find |
| 19:01.44 | weka | it saiys |
| 19:01.57 | weka | localhost has address 198.105.244.240 |
| 19:02.06 | weka | localhost has IPv6 address ::1 |
| 19:02.09 | ompaul | stop |
| 19:02.14 | weka | Host localhost not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 19:02.16 | weka | That's it. |
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| 19:03.01 | ompaul | weka: what is in and use http://paste.debian.net nothing else please for this cat /etc/hosts |
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| 19:04.25 | weka | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/114567 |
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| 19:06.55 | ompaul | weka: domain1.com does not exist as a real domain so ... I figure something on your lan might be having fun with your dns |
| 19:07.13 | weka | its only on that debian machine though |
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| 19:08.27 | ompaul | weka: it does not exist on the internet so ... whatever you are doing is happening locally and you hinted at "you broke your box" but you don't know what you did |
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| 19:08.50 | eyeris | ompaul: I figured out the cause |
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| 19:09.03 | ompaul | eyeris: do tell |
| 19:09.28 | eyeris | while network-manager is supposed to manage the tun0 vpn iface and says that it's off it is actually still on |
| 19:10.01 | ompaul | eyeris: just for kicks what are you using for the vpn? |
| 19:10.18 | eyeris | if I remove eth0 from the interfaces file, letting network-manager deal with eth0 then the 169 address is routed to tun0 instead of eth0 |
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| 19:10.41 | weka | So |
| 19:10.51 | eyeris | tun0 is created by openvpn, which I use to access ports on my dev server that are otherwise private |
| 19:11.09 | weka | I just did grep -R domain1.com /home/* and it seems there is a cache of Chromium keeping the DNS file |
| 19:11.32 | weka | This is interesting |
| 19:11.32 | ompaul | eyeris: I use openvpn to manage all routing except for the local network |
| 19:11.56 | weka | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/114569 check that out... |
| 19:12.00 | ompaul | weka: there is no dns for domain1.com on my end of the internet |
| 19:12.09 | weka | I know... |
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| 19:13.37 | ompaul | weka: eh you should not get so exited you met a web page how to for nginx ... |
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| 19:13.43 | ompaul | that's not a domain |
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| 19:18.24 | weka | well here's the thing ompaul |
| 19:18.39 | weka | going to localhost redirects me to domain1.com and going 127.0.0.1 does not |
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| 19:19.03 | ompaul | weka: did you set up a web server on the box then |
| 19:19.15 | weka | I installed nginx, yes. But I uninstalled it. |
| 19:19.27 | ompaul | you think? |
| 19:19.41 | ompaul | do this |
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| 19:19.51 | ompaul | apt-cache policy nginx and paste that |
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| 19:21.02 | weka | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/114572 |
| 19:21.48 | ompaul | well you did something to convince the box you have domain1.com in there |
| 19:22.37 | weka | I should just do fresh install...? |
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| 19:23.21 | Guest23202 | hey mates, i recently created an debian-live usb stick with persistence, but it didnt save the changes i made on the system after reboot ... |
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| 19:24.16 | Guest23202 | do i need to have a separate partition for persistence on thee stick |
| 19:24.48 | Guest23202 | or y it didnt save the things like users, passwd etc |
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| 19:26.03 | ompaul | weka: you have a choice, you don't know what you did last evening, you did something wrong. You can try to work out what it was. Alternatively you can take this as a lesson, do a clean install and this time slowly build a couple of vms and use them for testing out ideas so you have a nice blank one you can call on to replace broken stuff |
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| 19:26.42 | ompaul | weka: you might learn more about the install process and how to do things right a second time rather than guessing wildly what you might have done |
| 19:26.58 | weka | Yes i am going with fresh install |
| 19:27.04 | ompaul | weka: the choice is yours, back when I was beginning to do installs I would to the fresh one |
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| 19:28.37 | Jegeva | @search kernel |
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| 20:11.46 | joshh20 | Anyone have a guide to configure a kernel similar to the way that is done on Gentoo? |
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| 20:12.30 | guest777_ | I have flashplayerplugin-nonfree installed, but it's not listed in about:config - I have no way to enable it. Help? |
| 20:12.36 | Fjorgynn | aha |
| 20:12.39 | guest777_ | that's in Chromium |
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| 20:13.01 | centrx | guest777_, You may need/want to use pepperflash with chrome/chromium instead of adobeflash |
| 20:13.03 | mtn | guest777_: which browser? oh, chromium. it will only work using pepperflash, which is in backports |
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| 20:13.18 | Fjorgynn | why |
| 20:13.28 | mtn | Fjorgynn: because ;) |
| 20:13.46 | mtn | Fjorgynn: long answer, because google says so |
| 20:14.07 | guest777_ | centrx: mtn: why? Worked like this so far. Plus I have no desire to download Chrome |
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| 20:14.29 | mtn | guest777_: chromium now has to use pepperflash, like I just said |
| 20:14.52 | mtn | guest777_: nobody said anything about downloading chrome, did they? |
| 20:15.11 | guest777_ | mtn: yes, and I asked why |
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| 20:15.20 | guest777_ | mtn: the package's description did |
| 20:15.26 | mtn | guest777_: long answer, because google says so |
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| 20:16.10 | Guest23202 | mtn since when ca |
| 20:16.17 | centrx | guest777_, apt-get handles it for you. Pepperflash is extracted out of Chrome, you continue using chromium |
| 20:16.41 | mtn | Guest23202: some time ago, can't give you a date, but probably google could ;) |
| 20:16.45 | Guest23202 | guest777_: i would stick to iceweasel anyways |
| 20:17.01 | guest777_ | guest777_: I know, but still. THat we don't have a choice - I can't believe it. |
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| 20:17.22 | centrx | Adobe is just as non-free as Chrome, maybe more so |
| 20:17.25 | Guest23202 | go with iceweasel and install flash by ureself |
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| 20:18.11 | mtn | guest777_: you do have a choice, use iceweasel and flashplugin or use chromium and pepperflash-plugin |
| 20:18.13 | guest777_ | centrx: What did google do? |
| 20:18.24 | guest777_ | mtn: ain't you clever |
| 20:18.40 | mtn | guest777_: I guess so, seems logical and accurate to me |
| 20:19.21 | guest777_ | anyway, thanks for the help. even the wise guy |
| 20:19.35 | mtn | heh |
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| 20:22.50 | guest777_ | Hey guys, it's been a while. So I've installed the pepperthing, and about:plugins is no go. Any ideas? |
| 20:22.58 | centrx | Long time no see |
| 20:23.10 | Guest23202 | lmfao |
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| 20:24.18 | guest777_ | it was running in the background, had to pkill it. Thanks again. |
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| 20:27.36 | dokma | I need to make a simple video invitation to my wedding. What tool would you recommend that would allow me to do that in some 3,4 hours tops. |
| 20:27.48 | dokma | I don't want to be learning some 3D animation tools for pros |
| 20:28.05 | dokma | Just something simple to knock up a short animation with music and a few sentences... |
| 20:28.21 | dokma | My laptop runs Debian stable... |
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| 20:29.26 | dokma | And another question... Am I the only weirdo who runs Debian on his laptop??? |
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| 20:31.11 | Guest23202 | dokma: dunno but i would query google for that type of questions |
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| 20:33.03 | junka | why iceweasle is only browser that gets updates? |
| 20:33.19 | dokma | Guest23202, I'm googling the whole time, but the questions of the type 'what is a good tool for this very specific task' are much better answered by humans |
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| 20:35.02 | Guest23202 | !dpkg live |
| 20:35.02 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
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| 20:35.19 | mtn | junka: it isn't |
| 20:35.36 | joshh20 | Anyone have a guide to configure a kernel similar to the way that is done on Gentoo? |
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| 20:37.40 | weka | Alright I got Debian working agai |
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| 20:37.51 | weka | What would you recommend you guys do after a fresh Debian install? |
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| 20:38.46 | Guest23202 | gettin prons 2 work |
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| 20:38.58 | rryoumaa | weka: if you don't update and upgrade your system will be insecure |
| 20:40.37 | centrx | * Keep up to date with security updates |
| 20:41.57 | weka | I know that.. |
| 20:42.05 | weka | What do you guys personally do |
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| 20:42.28 | mtn | weka: most important thing: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 20:43.34 | weka | Thank you, I will keep that in my bookmarks! |
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| 20:45.42 | junka | !proposals |
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| 20:46.06 | junka | what are the proposals updates? |
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| 20:52.10 | joshh20 | Anyone have a guide to configure a kernel similar to the way that is done on Gentoo? |
| 20:52.39 | mtn | joshh20: no, but a search engine might find one for you |
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| 20:53.35 | joshh20 | I checked, and it is way different than Gentoo, so I am confused by it |
| 20:54.26 | mtn | joshh20: why would debian be like gentoo? |
| 20:55.19 | joshh20 | Why make passive aggressive comments? |
| 20:55.54 | mtn | heh |
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| 20:59.57 | peterrooney | joshh20: I have no idea how gentoo does things; on debian I generally run make menuconfig && make deb-pkg |
| 21:00.20 | joshh20 | Ok, but where do you get your source from in Debian? |
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| 21:03.54 | peterrooney | joshh20: apt-get install linux-source-3.2 # puts source tarballs and so on in /usr/src |
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| 21:04.12 | joshh20 | Ok thank you peterrooney |
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| 21:05.12 | peterrooney | joshh20: typically, I unpack them and run "ln -s linux-source-3.2 linux" - because technicallly there's also linux-source-2.6 still available |
| 21:05.34 | joshh20 | Ok, and why do you recommend version 3.2 ? |
| 21:05.43 | joshh20 | Stability or what? |
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| 21:15.26 | peterrooney | joshh20: I don't "recommend" one or the other; both are stable. |
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| 21:15.41 | joshh20 | Ok thank you |
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| 22:33.14 | wald0 | how i can instlal packages in a non-interactive way ? for example files of /etc that asks if replace, i need to do unnatended updates on a server |
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| 22:34.43 | wald0 | ah, i found it on google :) |
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| 22:43.45 | Sir | Hi guys, I'm almost new with debian and I have I question :) |
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| 22:44.22 | mtn | Sir: pray tell, what might be your fine question? |
| 22:45.13 | Sir | I've been reading the package's information website, and where it says: "Note that testing does not get the timely security updates from the security team." |
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| 22:45.24 | Sir | I usually use Debian Jessie, does that mean it's less secure? |
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| 22:45.40 | mtn | Sir: that is what that means, at least compared to stable |
| 22:46.16 | Sir | So I must choose between security or quick updates...that's bad |
| 22:46.19 | AimHere | Given the nature of computer security in general these days, "less secure" is perhaps the wrong phraseology. "more insecure" would be more accurate, I feel. |
| 22:46.33 | Sir | But well, I still can try to improve Jessie security |
| 22:46.35 | mtn | Sir: testing is not meant to be used by the average user, stable is for them |
| 22:46.49 | zinx | AimHere: thanks, Obama? |
| 22:46.59 | centrx | Sir, It's usually not an issue for desktops, and public servers should use stable anyway |
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| 22:47.11 | AimHere | Does that make the Jessie and sid users above- or below-average? |
| 22:47.28 | Sir | Ok, centrx, thanks, that's what I wanted to hear |
| 22:47.50 | zinx | AimHere: jessie is certainly 'more insecure' |
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| 22:48.22 | Sir | I'm not a normal user, basically I'm using Debian to learn more about programming, so that's why I like testing always more |
| 22:48.36 | Sir | An beta versions of everything |
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| 22:49.52 | AimHere | Sid is where the fun is. Keeps you on your toes with the package resolution glitches |
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| 22:51.29 | Sir | Isn't Sid/Jessie the same? Sorry if I'm wrong but I'm still studying the website so there are a few basic stuff that I don't know yet |
| 22:51.39 | zinx | jessie is more-or-less 2-3 week old sid |
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| 22:51.58 | zinx | and does not get security updates in a timely manner |
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| 22:52.55 | Sir | Well, thanks for everything guys, I'll keep reading the website and I'll be back if I have another doubt. Bye :) |
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| 22:53.27 | zinx | oops, i should have said testing |
| 22:53.32 | zinx | oh well |
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| 23:19.29 | multi_io | does rdiff-backup crash on incremental backups of large changing binary files like VM images? |
| 23:19.49 | multi_io | http://www.saltycrane.com/blog/2008/02/backup-on-linux-rsnapshot-vs-rdiff/#c2864 claims it does |
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| 23:20.37 | multi_io | (or if it doesn't, it creates a new copy) |
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| 23:22.42 | nea1 | hi, how can i get debian to update-grub so that it gives me all installed debian versions (i have testing + stable installed) |
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| 23:28.26 | myier | hi, I have a launched server on which initctl is not able to connect to Upstart. From what I see in the dpkg log, upstart is the system's default, is there a way to ensure that it'll reboot properly or to know if it actually booted with Upstart? |
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| 23:32.55 | Taueres | if I remember well. You can set the init process as a kernel cmdline parameter |
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| 23:33.39 | myier | yes, but I don't know which one I should set |
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| 23:33.58 | myier | because I think Upstart replaces /sbin/init too |
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| 23:35.41 | rryoumaa | multi_io: i thoroughly tested rdiff-backup around 2006 or so, focusing on trying to corrupt the data and checking for race conditions, etc., and it passed all my tests. i don't recall any crashes. but now i use rsnapshot instead to get the full fs tree for the different versions so that i can run ordinary shell commands on them. |
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| 23:37.33 | rryoumaa | if you want to compare two versions in rdiff-backup, you kind of have to restore first, iirc |
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| 23:39.19 | Urk | Is there a vpn bundled by default with debian stable? |
| 23:39.55 | centrx | Urk, You mean a VPN server? |
| 23:40.12 | Urk | centrx> vpn client. |
| 23:40.29 | centrx | Urk, Usually that is dependent on the VPN server you are accessing. For example, to connect to Cisco VPNs, use vpnc |
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| 23:41.08 | Urk | centrx> Thanks, I got it. |
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| 23:53.46 | jelly-home | or openconnect for cisco's anyconnect |
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