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| 00:03.05 | cesurasean | hey guys. my username has the wrong home directory set for env variable. how do i fix it? |
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| 00:05.42 | nea1 | cesurasean: usermod |
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| 00:11.38 | frost_bite | Is there a way to swap the names of my devices. IE. Change sda1 to sda3 and vice versa? My swap is sda3 and my root is sda1. It seems so counterintuitive. My device goes sda3, sda1, sda2. |
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| 00:14.03 | frost_bite | found it, google :D |
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| 00:18.03 | user2 | Hi guys, Is the current debian Jessie stable as ubuntu 14.04? |
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| 00:18.49 | jaybe | jessie is testing; not tstable |
| 00:18.50 | jaybe | s/stable |
| 00:19.31 | user2 | jaybe: I know it is not tagged as stable, but is the current status as stable as ubuntu is right now? |
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| 00:20.37 | jaybe | odd question and likely unanswerable |
| 00:20.53 | teraflops | dejavu |
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| 00:26.59 | krylon | having trouble compiling... ./configure passes fine. but when i try to make it says it cant find event2/buffer.h but i found that file in /usr/include/event2/ how do i get the make command to look there? |
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| 00:27.20 | nea1 | how can I make debian to detect other installations of debian when writing the grub.cfg |
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| 00:33.36 | themill | nea1: do you have the os-prober package installed? |
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| 00:34.17 | nea1 | themill: yep |
| 00:34.39 | themill | hmm... that should be enough |
| 00:35.00 | nea1 | is os-prober btrfs capable? ^^ |
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| 00:38.18 | themill | I can't really say as I've never used it. |
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| 00:40.07 | nea1 | ok, os-prober fails on btrfs i'd say |
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| 00:40.16 | nea1 | just like the current stable kernel ^^ |
| 00:40.37 | nea1 | (at least if /boot isn't extra) |
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| 00:51.41 | OERIAS | does debian properly support right to left languages? I am having trouble getting Arabic and Hebrew on a few systems. |
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| 01:14.35 | cesurasean | nea1, i used usermod, but homebrew still wants to install from the previous user i modified's home dir. |
| 01:14.38 | cesurasean | any idea how to fix that? |
| 01:16.06 | nea1 | cesurasean: i don't realy understand what you are trying to say |
| 01:16.42 | cesurasean | when i install homebrew as root, i can't. |
| 01:17.04 | cesurasean | so, when i install homebrew under a user that i usermod'd, it's trying to pull files from the previous account's name instead of the new account's name. |
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| 01:19.59 | cesurasean | http://pastebin.com/NnabxQej' |
| 01:20.01 | cesurasean | http://pastebin.com/NnabxQej |
| 01:20.05 | cesurasean | maybe that will make more sense. |
| 01:20.12 | cesurasean | see the user im logged in as, and what its trying to do? |
| 01:20.31 | cesurasean | stdout is using the wrong username for where to put the files at! |
| 01:21.17 | cesurasean | nevermind, i figured it out in my /etc/passwd file |
| 01:21.25 | cesurasean | how do i close a file in vi that im editing thats readonly? |
| 01:21.30 | cesurasean | cant seem to get out of it! ah! |
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| 01:22.17 | WhiteC3PO | Which Vitural machine do you use to run window or other distro? |
| 01:23.29 | cesurasean | ahhh! how do i get out of editing a readonly file with vi??! |
| 01:23.32 | cesurasean | anyone? please? |
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| 01:24.03 | heurist | cesurasean: :q! |
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| 01:32.48 | Okee | There is an urgent need to add draytek vpn client concentrator to the repos. Comments recent read that the Cisco DNS Client (Concentrator) has problems, and may or is already not supported. |
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| 02:03.20 | themill | dpkg: tell Okee about rfp |
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| 02:07.58 | ra_ovh | hello! |
| 02:08.14 | ra_ovh | I am a very very newbie in linux world |
| 02:08.22 | ra_ovh | I have 2 question plz |
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| 02:08.53 | ra_ovh | 1st: what is the default path to my html web folder in debian wheezy 7 ? |
| 02:09.08 | ra_ovh | I have an already running VPS |
| 02:09.19 | ra_ovh | with wordpress installed on it on demand |
| 02:09.29 | ra_ovh | now I want to add a phpBB forum |
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| 02:10.52 | roue | hola |
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| 02:11.16 | roue | has anyone had success with netflix/chrome-beta|-dev on Debian 7 ? |
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| 02:13.15 | TJ- | roue: define "success" and also "failure" ? |
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| 02:13.53 | roue | TJ- success=html5 video playback without Wine. |
| 02:14.07 | roue | failure= not so much playback :) |
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| 02:14.37 | themill | ra_ovh: /var/www is the default path, but you'll probably find that your configuration of wordpress and phpbb overrides that. You'll find /usr/share/doc/$package/README.Debian useful |
| 02:14.45 | TJ- | roue: Did you install a User-Agent switcher and set it to the User Agent string for the Windows version fo Chrome? |
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| 02:16.40 | roue | TJ- yes, and tried a number of different user agents. |
| 02:17.31 | TJ- | roue: Is the service returning an HTTP error code of some sort? Maybe you can use developer tools to watch the network connections |
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| 02:18.31 | roue | TJ- netflix is reporting an error code, but if I have to delve into the network transaction I think I'll stick with something simpler. |
| 02:19.11 | TJ- | roue: I was wondering if it returned a simple 4xx or 5xx code indicating it didn't like the connection(s) |
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| 02:20.27 | roue | TJ- no. There's a connection, I even see a flash of what looks like a video frame, but then netflix reports there's an error and to try again. |
| 02:20.50 | roue | I've tried the beta and dev builds and about a dozen different User Agents I've seen suggested. |
| 02:21.02 | TJ- | roue: Maybe that build doesn't have the DRM components? |
| 02:21.08 | roue | The system is pretty much stock debian 7. |
| 02:21.15 | roue | It's possible. |
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| 02:21.42 | TJ- | roue: I read earlier that the only Linux version that works is a dev or beta build with the DRM components ... but as I don't use Netflix I've only read about it |
| 02:21.56 | roue | The option to do this just popped up. If it really works I expect someone will post more comprehensive details. |
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| 02:22.10 | roue | Yeah, and I've tried both. |
| 02:22.24 | roue | But I guess I won't be the one to post those comprehensive debian 7 specific details :) |
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| 02:29.45 | cedwardsmedia | I read that the latest build of Chrome Canary (the Google Chrome Beta Channel) offers native support for Netflix via HTML5 video DRM support. That was according to Gizmodo. However, I use OS X primarily as my desktop OS and Linux for my servers so I canât really validate that or offer any further insight. |
| 02:30.42 | cedwardsmedia | That being said, I donât know if Chromium would include DRM support or not, and I know the mainstream release of Chrome on Linux does not yet support it natively, so youâre stuck using Canary, specifically, for now. |
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| 03:03.46 | terje_ | Hello. I have a second monitor connected to my laptop, running debian wheezy. What steps should i take from here? |
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| 03:05.45 | heurist | terje_: read man xrandr |
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| 03:06.13 | terje_ | heurist: Okay |
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| 03:52.23 | terje_ | xrandr -q gives me only 1 screen although i have connected a second one. Where do i go from here? |
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| 03:55.55 | heurist | terje_: paste the output of xrandr -q to a pastebin. |
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| 03:57.27 | terje_ | http://pastebin.com/Z9bmH2Bd |
| 03:59.38 | heurist | terje_: no idea, look at driver options and hardware, maybe reboot with second display plugged in to see if that makes a difference. |
| 04:00.11 | terje_ | heurist: I will try to reboot first. Be right back... |
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| 04:02.28 | terje_ | Rebooting with the monitor plugged in somehow made it recognize it.. yay! |
| 04:02.49 | heurist | terje_: some hardware does that. |
| 04:03.17 | terje_ | heurist: Would you happen to know why? I've got a curious mind... |
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| 04:05.17 | heurist | terje_: some hardware disbles things that are not plugged in at boot to save energy or resources, some just do not detect properly later, some can be kicked a bit to make them redetect. lots of options. google your specific hardware and the issue and see if people have come up with a solution. |
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| 04:24.33 | terje_ | Currently my other screen is well alive and mirroring my laptop's screen. However, xrandr does not seem to note it as a screen - there is only a listing for screen 0, no screen 1. What do? |
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| 04:29.37 | heurist | terje_: paste the output of xrandr -q to a pastebin. |
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| 04:30.49 | terje_ | heurist: http://pastebin.com/xReRRu1H |
| 04:32.34 | heurist | terje_: you are interested in the "connected" lines, but there is only one device (called default) listed. do you have the correct drivers installed? |
| 04:33.45 | terje_ | heurist: I have both an integrated intel video card and an nvidia one. To be honest i have no idea what is being used atm, because i've been told it's very hard to make dual GPU to work in linux |
| 04:34.21 | terje_ | heurist: I will go update my proprietary nvidia drivers, but im not sure if it will work. |
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| 04:36.29 | heurist | terje_: sounds like that is part of your problem, can you disable one of them? that way you know which drivers to fiddle with. |
| 04:38.02 | terje_ | heurist: I've just stumbled over bumblebee, which supposedly allows for this to work. I wish i knew how to disable one, other than physically removing the nvidia card. |
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| 04:39.14 | heurist | terje_: if you know which one you are plugged into then you know which one to fiddle with. |
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| 04:54.26 | weka | So I'm looking in my Add/Remove software application and I see Google Chrome added (checked) yet I do not see it under my applications... help? |
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| 06:41.25 | borkabrak | What's a good way to get a listing of the disk usage of installed programs? |
| 06:41.37 | formorer | borkabrak: I prefer ncdu |
| 06:41.55 | themill | !dpigs |
| 06:41.56 | dpkg | dpigs is a utility showing which installed packages occupy the most space. Available in the debian-goodies package. |
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| 06:42.29 | borkabrak | Groovy. I didn't know about either of those. Thanks! |
| 06:42.30 | themill | (but that's only the package itself -- it may or may not have a large dependency chain that is there only for it) |
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| 06:59.02 | alteregoa | shaka when the walls fell |
| 06:59.08 | alteregoa | why kworker cpu get so high on 3.16? |
| 06:59.38 | alteregoa | is this related to the GCC spaghetti code issue? |
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| 07:03.38 | kradalby | is there a way to prevent apache from being installed when it is a dependency? i would like to install sympa, and use nginx, seems like a waist to pull down apache. |
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| 07:05.39 | mikechelen | what is it a dependency for? |
| 07:05.45 | kradalby | sympa |
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| 07:05.50 | kradalby | and it is not needed |
| 07:05.51 | mikechelen | oh |
| 07:05.53 | kradalby | its for the webinterface |
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| 07:05.59 | themill | kradalby: using "aptitude why package1 package2" will tell you that it's only a recommended package |
| 07:05.59 | kradalby | which i want to run with nginx |
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| 07:07.13 | mikechelen | http://askubuntu.com/questions/74523/how-can-i-install-a-package-without-installing-some-dependencies |
| 07:07.25 | themill | dpkg: tell kradalby about apt recommends |
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| 07:08.54 | kradalby | ok thanks :) i will try some more |
| 07:08.57 | themill | notes that the accepted answer on that askubuntu question is wrong |
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| 07:09.46 | DanDare | kradalby, this looks interesting http://weininger.net/how-to-keep-apt-get-and-aptitude-from-switching-repositories-when-upgrading-a-certain-package.html (the final considerations) |
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| 07:21.04 | petern_ | themill, not entirely. The bit about breaking your whole system is right... :) |
| 07:21.32 | mikechelen | themill: what is the proper solution, equivs? |
| 07:22.20 | themill | mikechelen: to which, kradalby's question or that one on askubuntu? (They are different) |
| 07:25.09 | mikechelen | themill: the question of how to install a package w/o installing dependencies |
| 07:25.32 | petern_ | Hard-dependencies are there for a good reason. |
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| 07:25.39 | themill | well that depends if they are Depends or Recommends. |
| 07:26.00 | mikechelen | yeah im not sure if there is any case when i'd actually want to do that |
| 07:26.20 | mikechelen | but out of curiosity, if you really did not want to install a Depends package |
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| 07:28.37 | themill | Yes, you could use equivs for this. |
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| 07:29.30 | mikechelen | whats wrong with the dpkg --force-all method? |
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| 07:31.19 | themill | You'd be unable to use apt for anything until you fixed the dependencies. |
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| 07:34.37 | mikechelen | ah ok |
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| 08:06.13 | eanyx | hi |
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| 08:06.39 | eanyx | Is it GNU/Linux only or some GNU/Hurd channel too? |
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| 08:08.05 | eanyx | found #hurd :) |
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| 08:14.43 | godx | come play revenge script... /server -m irc.jerungenius.com 7003 -j #war |
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| 08:15.31 | junka | hello, i installed mate-desktop but i dont have any folders in my home dir (Downloads, Music etc) |
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| 08:17.22 | themill | considers that to be a feature |
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| 08:18.48 | junka | themill, are you referring to me? |
| 08:19.02 | babilen | junka: You can always create them if you are missing their presence. With xdg-user-dirs it is even possible to name them like you want to while ensuring that filemanagers still behave the way you want them to. |
| 08:19.17 | babilen | junka: Yes, themill was almost certainly replying to you |
| 08:19.26 | themill | junka: ^^ what babilen said. |
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| 08:20.22 | junka | babilen, if i create them manually the folders are plain they dont have an icon, also they are not shown in caja (filemanager) |
| 08:20.40 | junka | also i am interested to learn how is that a feature |
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| 08:24.11 | babilen | junka: A lot of people can't stand their capitalised names and uniform organisation structure they inflict on you. Personally I organise my files differently and use xdg-user-dirs to teach filemanagers (everything that relies on that freedesktop standard) their actual location. So why don't you take a look at the tools that I have pointed out (you might find xdg-user-dirs-gtk to your liking) before we continue with this? |
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| 08:25.23 | babilen | junka: I also couldn't care less about MATE or caja (never heard of that before), but both should respect http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html |
| 08:25.55 | themill | junka: I organise files by what they are for not by the media type. So I would have a directory called "cats" that has photos, videos, sound recordings and poems about cats rather than having those things spread around 4 separate directories. |
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| 08:26.33 | themill | (ftaod, I have no such directory) |
| 08:28.09 | junka | thanks i will look into it |
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| 08:31.00 | junka | also qbittorrent closes or crushes by itself |
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| 08:31.53 | petern_ | *crashes |
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| 08:36.43 | junka | i thought that in debian stable they fix bugs https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=717933 |
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| 08:37.21 | babilen | dpkg: tell junka -about stable |
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| 08:39.51 | junka | but it crushes, isn't that critical? |
| 08:40.00 | junka | crashes* |
| 08:40.09 | themill | only in a non-standard configuration |
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| 08:40.21 | junka | i see |
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| 08:43.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell junka -about ssb |
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| 08:44.41 | babilen | junka: You could backport the qbittorrent version from sid and libtorrent-rasterbar7 also. |
| 08:44.50 | babilen | (or use a different bittorrent client) |
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| 08:46.12 | junka | what's best? backport only libtorrent-rasterbar which causes the crash or the whole qbittorrent |
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| 08:48.29 | babilen | I don't think that the qbittorrent version in wheezy would use libtorrent-rasterbar7, but note that I know nothing about these programs and their exact packaging. Simply wanted to point out an alternative. |
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| 08:48.59 | junka | babilen, ok thanks |
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| 09:17.58 | junka | babilen, what torrent client do you use? |
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| 09:18.56 | babilen | transmission, but I don't torrent much |
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| 09:47.46 | Prostetnic | Hello. |
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| 09:48.31 | ovrflw0x | where can I get debian live cd I want to make usb image |
| 09:48.37 | ovrflw0x | I mean make a usb |
| 09:48.41 | Prostetnic | Anyone know of any recent issues with PulseAudio that might have resulted in Gnome Shell no longer detecting my headphones when plugged in. |
| 09:48.42 | ovrflw0x | for installation |
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| 09:49.20 | ovrflw0x | do I need to download all 3 DVDs or only 1st dvd |
| 09:50.55 | ompaul | ovrflw0x: you can visit http://www.debian.org and check out downloads, any image can be copied with the right technology onto your usb. As it is bootable you may need to know stuff. Why you would want the dvds is only if you have rubbish internet. |
| 09:52.10 | ompaul | ovrflw0x: so in summary, cat debian-whatever.iso > /dev/sdHereIsTheCD on linux, you need to check the site for how to do it under windows, it is not a copy it is a place it there in such a way it boots. |
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| 09:53.57 | ompaul | ovrflw0x1: so in summary, cat debian-whatever.iso > /dev/sdHereIsTheCD on linux, you need to check the site for how to do it under windows, it is not a copy it is a place it there in such a way it boots. |
| 09:54.20 | ovrflw0x1 | ompaul: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/bt-cd/debian-7.6.0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso.torrent <-- is this enough? |
| 09:54.35 | ovrflw0x1 | it's the latest release right? |
| 09:54.48 | ompaul | you don't even need that you could use the netinstall |
| 09:55.01 | ompaul | but it is enough if you want KDE as a desktop and simple also |
| 09:55.16 | ovrflw0x1 | ompaul: it has graphical installer right? |
| 09:55.25 | ompaul | for values of graphical yes |
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| 09:56.06 | ompaul | I don't use it, but then I've been installing from the curses screen for years |
| 09:56.31 | ompaul | I find it cleaner and a more logical, but that is just the way my warped mind works :) |
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| 10:00.14 | ompaul | ovrflw0x1: the bot sent you a link that you should look at |
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| 10:03.51 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Is there a way to make apt-get work in parallel (like e.g. make -j 2)? I have an ssd, so disk is no longer limiting and usage of more cores would be desirable. |
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| 10:06.51 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: eh no, unless you want to hack the package for distributed database activity which is what you are asking |
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| 10:10.52 | doev | I have trouble to use openGL with wine on wheezy. "Direct3D9 is not available without OpenGL" any ideas? |
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| 10:11.57 | doev | I have to use "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/mesa-diverted/i386-linux-gnu" to be sure wine is finding the 32bit GL-libs |
| 10:12.13 | ompaul | !wine |
| 10:12.13 | dpkg | Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . http://wiki.winehq.org/HowTo http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>. |
| 10:12.45 | ompaul | gladly I have nothing to do with wine |
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| 10:16.23 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, thx |
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| 10:18.03 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, It is mostly distributed unpacking, that would help, but it is of minor importance. Just waiting for the proceeding of a wheezy upgrade. |
| 10:18.41 | ompaul | remember to restart when done |
| 10:19.10 | ElDiabolo | Sure. Its a desktop anyway. |
| 10:20.28 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: well I can see two things that would help there, wget to some value_of_% of the available bandwidth as a setting, and then parallel unpacking to some value of busy machine |
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| 10:20.59 | ompaul | does have a box that if the load is CPU bound and rises above 5 it kills ldap |
| 10:21.14 | ompaul | oh that box provides ldap to others ... so it's not a great idea |
| 10:21.42 | ompaul | to go loading it but certainly it is a good idea to file such a patch for options to make it faster |
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| 10:26.43 | pgquiles | I uploaded a package (ace) to the archive and received a rejection mail: "Signature for changes file was already seen at 2014-08-10 01:03:27.568137. Please refresh the signature of the changes file if you want to upload it again.". What does that mean? Upload took a long time but I don't think that was the problem :-? |
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| 10:27.37 | ompaul | !mentors |
| 10:27.38 | dpkg | well, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
| 10:27.45 | ompaul | pgquiles: ^^^ that might be more useful |
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| 10:30.11 | junka | themill, qbittorrent crashes in standard configuration too |
| 10:30.35 | pgquiles | ompaul: I'm DM already and have been maintaining this package for years |
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| 10:32.35 | SynrGy | pgquiles: the point is, this is not the right place to ask |
| 10:33.05 | SynrGy | pgquiles: debian-mentors is the place to go for this question |
| 10:33.16 | pgquiles | SynrGy: ok, thanks |
| 10:33.16 | SynrGy | either the list, or the irc channel on oftc |
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| 10:34.04 | SynrGy | pgquiles: it is as much for old-timers who still are learning stuff as new people :) |
| 10:34.30 | pgquiles | SynrGy: ah, I hadn't noticed I wasn't on OFTC! That's why ompaul's answer sounded so strange :-) |
| 10:34.38 | SynrGy | yep |
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| 10:35.15 | ompaul | pgquiles: tbh if you had asked on oftc I'd still have hit the factoid I felt a minute or so was enough time to wait :) |
| 10:35.36 | pgquiles | :-) |
| 10:35.38 | ompaul | bzip2s SynrGy-ng and turns him into a factoid of clueful |
| 10:35.48 | SynrGy | heh |
| 10:37.14 | ompaul | SynrGy: we could generate a cult of you like paultag :) |
| 10:37.20 | ompaul | hides in a deep cave |
| 10:37.33 | SynrGy | oh dear. that would be dreadful |
| 10:37.39 | ompaul | it would rather :) |
| 10:38.09 | ompaul | looks at his intray - renewal invoice for the ACM *yay and motor tax - less so |
| 10:38.22 | ompaul | back after some internet spending :) |
| 10:38.26 | SynrGy | :) |
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| 10:40.59 | kpap | os x |
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| 10:45.21 | ovrflw0x | ompaul: does debain-cd1-kde come with broadcom-wl driver |
| 10:45.22 | ovrflw0x | ? |
| 10:47.15 | MrFrood | ovrflw0x: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 10:50.21 | ovrflw0x | MrFrood: I just downloaded debian-cd1-kde should delete it and download debian-live+nonfree? |
| 10:50.29 | ovrflw0x | should I |
| 10:51.15 | ompaul | ovrflw0x: if you have a wire to start yout install with or continue with then you don't need to you can download the driver correctly after the install, but that is your choice |
| 10:51.35 | MrFrood | what ompaul said |
| 10:51.46 | ompaul | what MrFrood said |
| 10:52.03 | ovrflw0x | ompaul: let me atleast see what comes up on debian-cd1-kde |
| 10:52.16 | ompaul | and so it was that auto other guy said validation |
| 10:52.19 | ovrflw0x | it has brcsmac driver though right? |
| 10:52.37 | ompaul | ovrflw0x: no idea what brcsmac is |
| 10:52.44 | ovrflw0x | wifi driver |
| 10:52.51 | ompaul | ovrflw0x: can you install over wire? |
| 10:52.55 | ompaul | yes or no |
| 10:52.58 | ovrflw0x | yeah |
| 10:53.00 | ompaul | do it |
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| 10:53.13 | ovrflw0x | ompaul: what's the broadcom-wl package called in debian? |
| 10:53.17 | ompaul | then just add in the other stuff as you need it we have good factoids that will get you mobile in almost no time |
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| 10:53.28 | MrFrood | ovrflw0x: the best way to find out about drivers is to ask the bot here 'dpkg' just /msg dpkg |
| 10:53.45 | ompaul | ovrflw0x: /msg dpkg wifi |
| 10:54.14 | ompaul | ovrflw0x: you have sufficent information to get up and running, that's all you need, why complicate it |
| 10:54.25 | ompaul | you want kde and gui you have that |
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| 10:54.44 | ompaul | you want wireless do that first thing after the wired install after first reboot |
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| 10:55.03 | ompaul | that is the less hard path |
| 10:55.40 | ovrflw0x | ompaul I am doing "/msg dpkg broadcom wifi" but I get parse error |
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| 10:55.58 | ompaul | ovrflw0x: is that what I told you to tell the bot |
| 10:56.15 | ovrflw0x | no /msg dpkg wifi |
| 10:56.20 | ompaul | so do that |
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| 10:57.18 | ompaul | but tbh do the whole install thing first - it will be a more comfortable within the debian environment |
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| 11:16.14 | Guest20136 | i have laptop what mount options should i select? NOATIME,RELATIME or what? |
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| 11:16.21 | Guest20136 | installing debain atm |
| 11:16.31 | ovrflw0x | hello? |
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| 11:16.39 | bazhang | hi |
| 11:16.47 | ovrflw0x | i have laptop what mount options should i select? NOATIME,RELATIME or what? |
| 11:17.31 | ovrflw0x | ompaul, you there bud? debian installer is asking me what "mount options" to select? |
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| 11:19.47 | babilen | ovrflw0x: relatime might make sense, but you can always change that later once you know what you want. What kind of HD is it? |
| 11:19.49 | ovrflw0x | Mount options can tune the behavior |
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| 11:20.01 | ovrflw0x | babilen, 7200rpm |
| 11:20.24 | tremon | ovrflw0x: I use noatime on every partition except /var, which is relatime |
| 11:20.46 | ovrflw0x | so what's generally used? noatime relatime? or ro? |
| 11:21.05 | babilen | You, naturally, wouldn't want everything to be ro |
| 11:21.11 | ovrflw0x | other linux distro never ask this while installing linux |
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| 11:21.42 | ompaul | ovrflw0x: I tend toward letting the defaults work with ext4 and I have very few if any complaints |
| 11:21.59 | ovrflw0x | ompaul, so what's the default? noatime? |
| 11:22.01 | babilen | ovrflw0x: It is impossible to answer that question in a general manner as it really depends on the data in question (e.g. /var vs. /usr vs /home), your needs and wishes and a bunch of other factors |
| 11:22.16 | ompaul | ovrflw0x: step back and let the system do it |
| 11:22.25 | ompaul | use something less detailed |
| 11:22.28 | babilen | ovrflw0x: You don't have to set anything, but you *can* set noatime or relatime if you want to. |
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| 11:22.59 | ompaul | the defaults are sensible until you have a specific use case then you will research it and work on it |
| 11:23.11 | ompaul | worlds biggest FTP servers wouldn't want atime logging |
| 11:23.25 | ompaul | but your home machine might be hand |
| 11:23.26 | ompaul | y |
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| 11:24.01 | babilen | ovrflw0x: And relatime is the default behaviour right now anyway, so why don't you just accept the defaults for now and move on? |
| 11:24.24 | ovrflw0x | ok |
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| 11:26.11 | ovrflw0x | is it easy to upgrade debian to later latest release? or do i need to manually erase and install the latest release of debian? |
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| 11:27.14 | ovrflw0x | wtf debain is using 3.2.x kernel? |
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| 11:27.40 | babilen | Debian supports upgrades between releases quite well. The exact procedure that you should follow is documented in the release notes of the release you are upgrading to. See, for example, <wheezy release notes> for the procedure to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy -- /msg dpkg wheezy release notes |
| 11:28.00 | babilen | ovrflw0x: Yes, wheezy was released with 3.2 - Do you want/need a newer kernel on stable? |
| 11:28.20 | ovrflw0x | yes does 3.2 have vgaswitcheroo support? |
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| 11:28.28 | babilen | And i would also kindly ask you to ask actual questions and not just go "wtf $MY_PROBLEM" |
| 11:28.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell ovrflw0x -about bdo kernel |
| 11:29.23 | ovrflw0x | babilen, does 3.2 have support for vgaswitcheroo? |
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| 11:30.05 | babilen | ovrflw0x: You might also want to consider not tracking stable, but, say, jessie, testing or even unstable. See <testing>, <unstable>. <jessie>, <tum>, <jum>, <stable->testing> and <wheezy->jessie> as well as <sid faq> for details on that. |
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| 11:31.38 | babilen | ovrflw0x: You probably want to use a newer kernel (i.e. 3.14 from backports), but as I avoided buying any switched gpu hardware my personal experience with these technologies are limited. |
| 11:31.38 | ivanshmakov | Any idea why, say, http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20140216/dists/squeeze/ results in a redirect, while s/$/Release/ does not? |
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| 11:32.13 | babilen | Oh, the pleasure of broken legacy setups :_ |
| 11:32.15 | babilen | :) |
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| 11:32.38 | ovrflw0x | babilen, can i install 3.14 on wheezy? |
| 11:32.55 | babilen | yes, our bot already told you how. Please check your private messages. |
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| 11:33.00 | ivanshmakov | ovrflw0x: Yes, â thatâs what backports are for. |
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| 11:33.25 | ElDiabolo | What do I do if apt-get install -f only gives a list of unsatified dependencies. |
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| 11:34.36 | babilen | dpkg: tell ElDiabolo -about bat |
| 11:34.57 | tremon | ElDiabolo: reinstall is always a good option. Or start hunting down these dependencies with apt-cache, to find out what broke your system |
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| 11:35.01 | babilen | ElDiabolo: Please include the output of "head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" in your paste too |
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| 11:37.19 | Kiryx | Hey, I have installed Debian wheezy recently alongside to win7 |
| 11:37.40 | Kiryx | however, grub seemed to overlook it and does not show me an option to boot into windows |
| 11:37.57 | Kiryx | I know which partition win7 is installed on (/dev/sda2) |
| 11:38.15 | Kiryx | can I rerun the grub's config ? |
| 11:38.30 | babilen | Kiryx: Could you show me the output of "dpkg -l os-prober|tail -n1" along with that of "update-grub2" on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 11:39.04 | Nyterax | idk where to ask this (sorry) but perhaps somebody knows how to retreive an asterisked password from an open claws mail client? it was recently ctrl+v´d but my keepassx crashed and i lost the password from there (bitmessage passkey, unrecoverable). shouldn´t it be somewhere is memory where i can peek? i´m lost here. pls. |
| 11:40.36 | Kiryx | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/114641/ |
| 11:40.46 | Kiryx | I assume that update-grub2 is the /usr/sbin/update-grub2 |
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| 11:42.28 | babilen | Kiryx: That looks broken. What does "ls -l /usr/sbin/grub-*" and "dpkg -l grub-common|tail -n1" give you? Please also paste the output of "aptitude search '~b'". (feel free to add it all to the initial pastebin by using "paste as new") |
| 11:43.10 | babilen | (and paste your commands too so that I see what you ran) |
| 11:43.55 | kpap | any staff that can help me out yet? |
| 11:44.19 | ompaul | !ask |
| 11:44.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 11:45.40 | babilen | kpap: What can we do for you? |
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| 11:47.54 | Kiryx | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/114643/ |
| 11:50.48 | babilen | Kiryx: Is that an amd64 or an i386 box? What does "which grub-mkconfig" give you? |
| 11:51.30 | Kiryx | babilen: I'm on amd64 |
| 11:52.10 | Kiryx | babilen: "which grub-mkconfig" gives me nothing |
| 11:52.52 | babilen | Kiryx: Therein lies your problem. You are running these commands as root (i.e. not via sudo) aren't you? |
| 11:53.45 | Kiryx | babilen: Actually not, not even sudo |
| 11:53.52 | Kiryx | just a plain user |
| 11:54.19 | babilen | What do you mean? You pasted "# /usr/sbin/update-grub2" and you wouldn't get "#" but "$" in your shell if you were to run that as your normal user. |
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| 11:54.51 | babilen | (unless you didn't actually copy it, but simply used # in lieu of $ as self-chosen marker in your paste) |
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| 11:55.26 | babilen | Either way, please run "update-grub2" as root (and don't change important bits like $ to # ;) |
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| 11:56.04 | Kiryx | I have my prompt modified :), sorry |
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| 11:57.06 | babilen | Well, please don't do that. Your prompt differentiates between # and $ for good reason and you will *always* have to make people aware of this change whenever you ask for support. |
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| 11:58.20 | Kiryx | babilen: Sorry, to be honest, I've been using debian-based distros for 3 or 4 years already and was not aware of this detail :) |
| 11:58.21 | babilen | Kiryx: Either way, please re-run "update-grub2" as root and show me the output of *that*. |
| 11:58.36 | babilen | Kiryx: # == root, $ == "normal" user |
| 11:58.38 | Kiryx | http://paste.debian.net/114644/ |
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| 11:59.13 | babilen | Kiryx: I guess that you just solved your problem :) |
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| 12:00.26 | Kiryx | babilen: As a matter of fact, I've found this command earlier but other thing I was not aware of is that some binaries might be simply invisible for normal users |
| 12:01.13 | Kiryx | so I tried this as normal user but reasoned that it must have been missing altogether |
| 12:01.25 | Kiryx | babilen: Thank you for your help! :) |
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| 12:01.41 | babilen | Kiryx: I typically just add /sbin and /usr/sbin to my normal user's PATH as a bunch of them *can* be run as normal user and don't require superuser privileges for everything they do |
| 12:02.15 | babilen | You are welcome! Enjoy being able to boot into Windows again so you can now backup all missing data before you remove it completely ;) |
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| 12:03.01 | Kiryx | Haha, actually that's what I was needing it for ;d |
| 12:03.10 | Kiryx | I guess its a common pattern |
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| 12:04.45 | babilen | Kiryx: fwiw, you can also mount NTFS partitions in Debian (cf. <ntfs> <ntfs-3g> ...) which might be a better approach if you want to backup data to it. |
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| 12:13.18 | ElDiabolo | http://paste.debian.net/114648/ - I can provide apt-cache policy for individual packages, but doing so for all packages might be overkill for now. |
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| 12:16.54 | babilen | ElDiabolo: Please include the output of: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 12:17.53 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: you did outside of X apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 12:18.06 | babilen | ElDiabolo: That also looks like a very broken upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. What does "apt-get update" and "aptitude search '~U'" give you? |
| 12:18.08 | ompaul | or did you do this "half an upgrade" thing |
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| 12:18.32 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, Yes. |
| 12:18.34 | babilen | bbl |
| 12:18.40 | ompaul | babilen: cheers |
| 12:18.47 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: apt-get update now please |
| 12:18.50 | babilen | ElDiabolo: Well, don't do "half an upgrade" things |
| 12:18.50 | ompaul | outside of X |
| 12:18.58 | ElDiabolo | babilen, It is a very broken upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. |
| 12:19.07 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: ok can we move on |
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| 12:19.19 | ompaul | apt-get update <<< please |
| 12:19.26 | babilen | It is indeed .. the question is why you did that and why you didn't follow the release notes, but I'll let ompaul sort you out |
| 12:19.40 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: are you pinning anything |
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| 12:20.55 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: ok here is the deal I don't have all day but I'll get you into a sane state if you work with me and answer promptly |
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| 12:21.11 | qwk | ElDiabolo, "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy failures" |
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| 12:22.53 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: ... I'll take that as you've left --- apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and follow any special instructions like apt-get -f install if you get them on screen that's it have fun |
| 12:22.57 | ElDiabolo | babilen, The "narrow" search results are not pasteable, Length of code is not allowed to exceed 150kB |
| 12:23.28 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: he's gone I've asked the following |
| 12:23.32 | ompaul | apt-get update <<< please |
| 12:23.37 | ompaul | outside of X for the next part |
| 12:23.46 | ompaul | as root |
| 12:24.08 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: done that yet? |
| 12:24.21 | babilen | ElDiabolo: Don't worry -- I assumed that you had a halfway sane setup not some completely broken Frankendebian. I am clearly not aware of some history, but would *strongly* suggest that you either follow ompaul's recommendations right now or the procedure detailed in https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 12:26.11 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: are you going to answer me, I'm taking this as you don't want to fix it. |
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| 12:26.40 | ompaul | 8 minutes since I asked you to run apt-get update first |
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| 12:44.24 | user2 | hi guys, i've got propably a dumb question, namely: when will Jessie become stable? |
| 12:44.47 | Penix | when it's ready |
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| 12:45.29 | user2 | Penix: is there any forecast when it will become stable, will it be likely in 2014 or 2015? |
| 12:45.31 | ompaul | Penix: I think that's a bit sooner than when it really will be ready :) |
| 12:45.34 | junka | when does testing becomes frozen? |
| 12:45.42 | ompaul | when they say it does |
| 12:45.57 | ovrflw0x_ | debugfs is mounted but i can't see "Vgaswitcheroo" in that directory how to get it there? |
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| 12:46.10 | ompaul | there is no forecast but theory says soonish |
| 12:46.30 | user2 | will it be short after the frozen in november? |
| 12:46.32 | ompaul | months rather than years for the freeze |
| 12:46.55 | ompaul | user2: no, it will be when the amount of blocking release bugs reaches zero |
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| 12:47.04 | ompaul | so when people test and submit patches |
| 12:47.18 | ompaul | it's not a job it is a labour of love |
| 12:47.24 | user2 | ompaul: thank you for answering. I will use Ubuntu until then |
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| 12:48.23 | ompaul | have fun with that |
| 12:48.51 | ompaul | ubuntu feeds from the tree of debian and does it's own thing this is debian which is not what ubuntu is |
| 12:49.10 | ompaul | the support for one is not the same as the support for the other or they wouldn't have the names they have i.e. different ones |
| 12:49.21 | ompaul | wonders who asked me |
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| 12:51.11 | Fjorgynn | :o |
| 12:51.51 | sandman13 | I see people recommending Testing to Desktop users, saying that they haven't experienced any bugs lately |
| 12:52.34 | forcer | I can't confirm that :-D |
| 12:53.05 | ompaul | sandman13: it is not suggested you run testing unless you have about 6 - 12 months of working with debian, in doing that work you are expected if testing breaks that you have at least some ability to fix it more or less yourself |
| 12:53.18 | ompaul | or put up with the down time while you wait on a fix from above |
| 12:53.35 | ovrflw0x_ | msg dpkg linux-firmware-nonfree says no idea! |
| 12:53.58 | ompaul | ovrflw0x_: apt-get update & apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 12:54.18 | ompaul | assumption that you have included repos contrib and non-free |
| 12:54.26 | ompaul | ovrflw0x_: end of message |
| 12:54.39 | forcer | There was some kerfuffle with systemd recently, leading to a non-bootable system here. Glad I had a tablet with net connection and solid knowledge of Debian and Linux. So I fully endorse what ompaul says. |
| 12:54.47 | sandman13 | ompaul: although I might not do it but looks like I need to spend 3 months more with Debian |
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| 12:55.12 | ompaul | sandman13: experience is a thing you gain, it gives you comfort |
| 12:55.29 | ompaul | sandman13: doing things the debian way is useful in that you then have some idea where to start |
| 12:56.08 | ompaul | sandman13: failure to have experience is a bit like trying to crack the rosetta stone solo with a copy of addition and subtraction tables and no other mathematics knowledge |
| 12:56.17 | ompaul | a little hard is what I'm trying to say |
| 12:56.36 | ompaul | it would be funny if the rosetta stone was actually a prank |
| 12:56.42 | sandman13 | ompaul: I need to figure out few things like working of apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs, what to do if I encounter bugs, how to hold packages and stuffs |
| 12:57.20 | ompaul | sandman13: if testing you don't want to be holding (pinning) in general it is the short walk to destruction |
| 12:57.30 | ompaul | sandman13: same goes for sid |
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| 12:57.36 | ompaul | cos you miss the updates when they happen |
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| 12:58.34 | sandman13 | I didn't know that. |
| 12:59.55 | ovrflw0x_ | ompaul, i got this is it ok? update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 12:59.56 | ovrflw0x_ | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 12:59.57 | ompaul | sandman13: this is also the reason on sid / testing that you do apt-get update & apt-get dist-upgrade outside of X all the time - cos if it changes something in your DE you might not want to be logged in |
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| 13:00.19 | ompaul | ovrflw0x_: it will work with apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 13:00.31 | ompaul | ovrflw0x_: that is for your ethernet card |
| 13:00.56 | ovrflw0x_ | ompaul, but ethernet card is working |
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| 13:01.05 | ovrflw0x_ | do i still need to install firmware-realtek? |
| 13:02.06 | ompaul | ovrflw0x_: if you want that message to go away :) |
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| 13:02.28 | ompaul | ovrflw0x_: you most likely will also want that firmware-linux-nonfree after that reboot and we talk moer |
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| 13:02.30 | ompaul | more |
| 13:03.07 | babilen | Oh, install microcode for your CPU while you are at it (because a buggy cpu is meh) |
| 13:03.12 | babilen | dpkg: microcode |
| 13:03.12 | dpkg | Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode |
| 13:04.09 | ompaul | babilen: isn't that a sub set of firmware-linux-nonfree? |
| 13:04.15 | ompaul | subset even |
| 13:04.35 | ompaul | or have I been lying to myself for the past couple of years |
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| 13:04.42 | ovrflw0x__ | ok |
| 13:04.45 | junka | babilen, does all CPUs accept microcode updates? |
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| 13:05.43 | ompaul | junka: refine your question please |
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| 13:06.21 | MrFrood | mutters something about reading the changelogs to junka |
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| 13:07.15 | babilen | junka: I am not aware of microcode packages for powerpc for example, so: No |
| 13:07.17 | themill | ompaul: the microcode packages are recommended by firmware-linux but they are different things |
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| 13:10.58 | ompaul | themill: yes, what I'm wondering is are the part of the meta package |
| 13:11.01 | Gray | How can I make Debian more attractive? |
| 13:11.04 | ompaul | goes to look |
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| 13:11.52 | MrFrood | Gray: buy it a nice dress :P |
| 13:11.53 | ompaul | it's not |
| 13:11.55 | ompaul | I thought it was |
| 13:12.18 | babilen | ompaul: As themill said: firmware-linux recommends it, but neither intel-microcode nor amd64-microcode is part of firmware-linux-nonfree (also quite unrelated bits of software) |
| 13:12.23 | ompaul | ack |
| 13:12.35 | junka | MrFrood, lol |
| 13:12.40 | ompaul | I didn't know that I (wrongly) thought they were |
| 13:13.07 | ompaul | now has something to add to plenty of servers and stuff now oh my monday will be ful |
| 13:13.10 | ompaul | full |
| 13:13.43 | ompaul | themill: babilen thanks |
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| 13:15.04 | babilen | microcode packages essentially contain upgrades to the processors, well, microcode and are not related to the firmware blobs that have been removed from the Linux kernel. You typically get hold of these upgrades by upgrading your firmware, but if you cannot do that (or simply haven't done it) these updates can be loaded from the linux kernel. This, naturally, happens a bit later during the startup (i.e. early boot stages could still use a buggy CPU), |
| 13:15.10 | babilen | ... but it's better than nothing. |
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| 13:16.22 | ompaul | babilen: yeah, I have about 50 desktops now in need of it :) |
| 13:16.47 | ompaul | and a couple of servers I had thought all microcode was in the firmware stuff |
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| 13:17.58 | ovrflw0x | do i need to blacklist this modules? modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcmsmac |
| 13:18.07 | ovrflw0x | or will they *not* load itself on next boot |
| 13:18.09 | babilen | Don't worry - a lot of people aren't aware of it and never install it. It would be fantastic if we could split non-free into non-free-firmware and non-free and package those non-free blobs that are simply necessary for your system to function properly independently of "regular" non-free software. |
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| 13:18.34 | babilen | ovrflw0x: You normally shouldn't have to do any of that. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 13:18.42 | ompaul | babilen: a binary large object is a binary large object :) |
| 13:18.54 | ovrflw0x | babilen, doing this https://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 13:19.03 | junka | babilen, does microcode have security updates too? |
| 13:19.30 | babilen | junka: How would that work? One might argue that microcode *are* security updates ;) |
| 13:19.38 | ompaul | junka: for values of security it is a firmware patch for the cpu |
| 13:19.48 | ompaul | just not a permanant one |
| 13:20.01 | babilen | And newer versions are uploaded to backports not wheezy-updates fwiw |
| 13:20.04 | ompaul | ovrflw0x: you shouldn't have to do that unless you have shown that they are there |
| 13:20.51 | babilen | ovrflw0x: It shouldn't be necessary |
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| 13:24.07 | kpap | If you would still like your account deleted, click "Delete My Account". |
| 13:24.23 | ompaul | kpap: What???? context etc please |
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| 13:29.09 | junka | should i install recommended packages? |
| 13:29.20 | abrotman | Do you understand the term 'recommended'? |
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| 13:29.29 | junka | apt-get install, installs them by default if i am not mistaken |
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| 13:30.12 | junka | abrotman, there are recommended packages but also suggested |
| 13:30.18 | junka | when you install a package |
| 13:30.27 | abrotman | Yes, and? |
| 13:30.39 | junka | should they be installed by default or not |
| 13:31.21 | abrotman | Do you understand the term 'recommended'? |
| 13:31.33 | junka | yes |
| 13:32.01 | abrotman | seems like you have your answer |
| 13:32.26 | ompaul | it differs some from the word compulsory |
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| 13:32.56 | ompaul | we don't have the word compulsory in the normal vocabulary |
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| 13:35.16 | dvs | mandatory? |
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| 13:35.46 | themill | notes that "Recommends" is much weaker than is really meant |
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| 13:37.58 | ovrflw0x | how to update grub in debian? |
| 13:38.02 | ovrflw0x | update-grub? |
| 13:38.21 | junka | yes |
| 13:38.44 | ovrflw0x | there's no such command |
| 13:39.07 | dvs | as root? |
| 13:39.20 | ovrflw0x | oh ok |
| 13:40.40 | babilen | Oh lovely, the ask - get-answer - /part routine |
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| 13:49.01 | ompaul | babilen: when he comes back I think "debianunbroken" or whatever that link is should be give out free gratis |
| 13:49.20 | ompaul | !debianunbroken |
| 13:49.21 | dpkg | debianunbroken is probably https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 13:49.23 | ompaul | that one |
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| 13:52.05 | unexdebusr | hi guys, will the next release of debian, Jessie, include system-d? |
| 13:52.20 | unexdebusr | by default |
| 13:52.38 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:54.43 | babilen | unexdebusr: wheezy already includes systemd, but it will be the default init system in jessie, yes |
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| 13:57.55 | Artemis3 | babilen, what about upgrades, will people be moved to systemd or left alone? |
| 13:59.06 | unexdebusr | babilen: thank you for your answer |
| 13:59.12 | abrotman | Artemis3: depends what packages you have when you do that upgrade |
| 13:59.42 | babilen | Artemis3: You will definitely not be "left alone" as that would be a very cruel thing to do. My understanding is that you will be transitioned to systemd. |
| 13:59.43 | junka | how can i remove all recommended packages that have been installed in my system |
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| 14:00.00 | tremon | Artemis3: your system will be upgraded to systemd unless you install systemd-shim before dist-upgrade |
| 14:00.09 | Artemis3 | would it be safer to install systemd in wheezy before? |
| 14:00.17 | Artemis3 | ah |
| 14:00.20 | Artemis3 | now thats interesting |
| 14:00.24 | babilen | What is? |
| 14:00.27 | tremon | at least that's how it stands now, no promises about six months from now |
| 14:00.29 | Artemis3 | systemd-shim |
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| 14:01.40 | tremon | it's an api emulator for parts of systemd, which should allow the rest of the system to run under sysvinit |
| 14:01.44 | babilen | Well, systemd-shim is playing catch-up right now (and will probably do so forever), but the intention is to provide the user with as much support in running their chosen init system as can be done. |
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| 14:08.13 | ElDiabolo | Hi. I have a message "python-gtkglext1 : Depends: python (>= 2.6.6-7~) but 2.6.6-3+squeeze7 is installed" from apt-get dist-upgrade. So I thought I simply install python2.6* from enter:/var/cache/apt/archives using dpkg --auto-deconfigure -i python2.6*. This worked, but did not remove the message |
| 14:08.42 | themill | ElDiabolo: what are you dist-upgrading from and to? |
| 14:09.12 | ElDiabolo | themill, From squeeze to wheezy. |
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| 14:09.52 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: did you do the apt-get update that was suggested - if so what was the system response? |
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| 14:10.12 | themill | ElDiabolo: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy python python2.6 python2.7 python-gtkglext1; apt-cache policy" for us? |
| 14:10.25 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, http://paste.debian.net/114652/ |
| 14:11.09 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: did you then do the next stop apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 14:12.36 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: do you have an answer? |
| 14:12.46 | ElDiabolo | themill, http://paste.debian.net/114659/ |
| 14:13.22 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: do you have any pinned packages? |
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| 14:14.23 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, I think no, unless I forgot them. These should be in /etc/apt/ - where exactly. |
| 14:14.46 | themill | the output of apt-cache policy says you don't |
| 14:15.04 | ElDiabolo | themill, Thx. |
| 14:15.15 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: did you do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 14:15.15 | themill | ElDiabolo: did you do an "apt-get upgrade" next? |
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| 14:16.37 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, http://paste.debian.net/114660/ |
| 14:16.58 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: as detailed earlier: apt-get -f install |
| 14:17.14 | ompaul | it is also the fourth line there |
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| 14:17.47 | ElDiabolo | themill, Yes |
| 14:17.54 | ompaul | themill: it appears from earlier that the dist-upgrade was interrupted in a bad way |
| 14:19.33 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, apt-get install -f has been done quite often, actually. |
| 14:19.42 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: keep doing it |
| 14:19.48 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: and don't interrupt it |
| 14:19.53 | ompaul | please do it from outside of X |
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| 14:20.07 | ompaul | ssh back into the box run screen if you have it installed |
| 14:20.11 | babilen | ElDiabolo: How did you manage to get into this mess? Could you run "apt-get upgrade" and show us the output? |
| 14:20.13 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, It just gives http://paste.debian.net/114663/ and does not do anything |
| 14:21.21 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list and do you have stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 14:21.31 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: please paste outputs |
| 14:22.15 | ElDiabolo | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/114665/ |
| 14:22.34 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: did you manually install desktop components or some other suite at some stage or |
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| 14:22.37 | ompaul | other |
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| 14:23.13 | ompaul | [10/08/14 15:21:20] <ompaul> ElDiabolo: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list and do you have stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 14:23.27 | ElDiabolo | babilen, I did the usual update - upgrade - dist-upgrade thingy with apt-get and then tried to fix things with dpkg -i |
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| 14:24.13 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: subtle as it is, there's more to this than meets the eye |
| 14:24.20 | babilen | ElDiabolo: So you followed the instructions in https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html ? |
| 14:24.31 | babilen | Also "fix things with dpkg -i" is a bad idea. |
| 14:24.34 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, I manually installed quite a lot of things over the years. What exactly do you mean by manually? dpkg -i? |
| 14:24.49 | babilen | Either way, is "aptitude full-upgrade" able to come up with something sensible? |
| 14:25.05 | ElDiabolo | babilen, I am aware of that now. |
| 14:25.10 | babilen | ElDiabolo: How did things break and why did you think that "fixing" things by manually installing packages was necessary? |
| 14:25.26 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: where did you get these packages from? |
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| 14:26.05 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: more to the point were they from places outside debian? |
| 14:26.26 | ompaul | not debian mirrors but from various $suppliers_of_software? |
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| 14:27.54 | ElDiabolo | babilen, After the usual upgrade steps I ended up with a state where apt-get install -f only reported broken dependencies but did not do anything else. So I tried to fix this. |
| 14:28.24 | ElDiabolo | After the dist-upgrade ended with an error message. |
| 14:28.35 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: my question is also valid please answer it. |
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| 14:28.45 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, Yes, multimedia |
| 14:28.52 | ompaul | and other places? |
| 14:29.09 | Artemis3 | well i think you were supposed to upgrade apt and friends first, then use aptitude |
| 14:29.30 | themill | Artemis3: not for squeeze->wheezy. |
| 14:29.43 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, Not sure, this system is quite old by now. |
| 14:30.12 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: an upgrade of release to release is that release, not that release partially patched by some other supplier, that then changes the expected numbering and causes dpkg and friends a lot of pain |
| 14:30.38 | ElDiabolo | Is there a way to say remove all but the core stuff (I need lvm and raid1). |
| 14:31.00 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: you should (A) make a backup of your home data (B) do a clean install because (C) we call that frankendebian and nobody here would really have the time to help on that |
| 14:31.23 | ompaul | we don't encourage the mixing of sources |
| 14:31.24 | kpap | and now I'll leave again |
| 14:31.30 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 14:31.30 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 14:31.39 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: please read that carefully |
| 14:31.42 | Artemis3 | i would try removing all foreign repos and use aptitude, it will happily want to remove lots of packages :3 |
| 14:32.09 | Artemis3 | after backup of course |
| 14:32.39 | ompaul | Artemis3: given the current mess and failure to do anything with apt-get apt-get -f install |
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| 14:32.52 | ompaul | I don't think that is going to help too much |
| 14:33.01 | ElDiabolo | Artemis3, Currently aptitude is in that "Try again" loop. |
| 14:33.05 | Artemis3 | last try |
| 14:33.16 | ompaul | Artemis3: it's been done to death |
| 14:33.34 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: you can try to fix it one step at a time or you can address it as you need to |
| 14:34.08 | babilen | ElDiabolo: Running "apt-get -f install" is not part of any normal upgrade procedure. Did you paste the "aptitude full-upgrade" output already? And DMM is considered harmful and best avoided. |
| 14:34.42 | Artemis3 | also aptitude first choice is not always the best |
| 14:34.46 | ompaul | babilen: I think he's in franken hell faster to download and build fresh given that over 3 hours in this loop now |
| 14:34.58 | ompaul | babilen: I think he's in franken hell, faster to download and build fresh given that over 3 hours in this loop now |
| 14:35.02 | Artemis3 | that true |
| 14:35.13 | ompaul | commas what are they for |
| 14:35.13 | Artemis3 | at this point backup reinstall sounds best |
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| 14:37.10 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: please copy this link and read it while backing up |
| 14:37.12 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, You are most likely right. I just need to give it some thaught, since I would prefer to not mess up my raid1 lvm home partition. |
| 14:37.18 | ompaul | !debianunbroken |
| 14:37.18 | dpkg | debianunbroken is probably https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 14:38.07 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: backup, then clean install then you get to make it all nice and clean right |
| 14:38.15 | ElDiabolo | ompaul, I do have a backup from last weekend, at least the really important stuff. |
| 14:38.27 | ompaul | ElDiabolo: then backup the delta on that |
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| 14:42.28 | ElDiabolo | Good thing is I have a spare partition ... |
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| 14:51.43 | ElDiabolo | bye. |
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| 14:53.15 | l1ar | How can I reinstall init from chroot? |
| 14:53.31 | abrotman | reinstall init? how did you remove it? |
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| 14:54.46 | abrotman | l1ar: ? |
| 14:55.05 | l1ar | I don't know, it was removed when I was removing systemd |
| 14:55.19 | abrotman | no, systemd installs a /sbin/init .. try again |
| 14:57.05 | l1ar | Anyway, I get "target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init" |
| 14:57.47 | tremon | l1ar: how did you remove systemd? |
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| 14:58.03 | l1ar | via APT |
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| 14:58.32 | l1ar | What should I do? |
| 14:58.36 | jelly-home | l1ar: doesn't systemd-sysv package install /sbin/init ? Which debian release is this installation supposed to be? |
| 14:58.59 | tremon | iirc systemd-sysv installs /sbin/init as a symlink only |
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| 14:59.16 | abrotman | judd: file /sbin/init --release jessie |
| 14:59.21 | judd | Search for /sbin/init in jessie/i386: upstart: sbin/init; sysvinit-core: sbin/init; systemd-sysv: sbin/init |
| 14:59.29 | tremon | but anyway, if you didn't get scary warnings about that, that's a bug imho. But anyway, you should reinstall sysvinit-core |
| 14:59.46 | l1ar | Okay, thx |
| 15:00.01 | tremon | assuming you're on jessie, that is. On wheezy, the package is sysvinit |
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| 15:53.08 | pkakelas | Hello |
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| 15:55.36 | pkakelas | I need some help. I've installed debian wheezy on my brand new laptop with GPU Nvidia Geforce 240M. I've been trying to install the proper driver and I ended installing bublepee but nothing changed. On details I can see that the graphics experience is set to fallback. |
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| 15:55.39 | pkakelas | Any ideas? |
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| 15:58.30 | babilen | pkakelas: Did you follow the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee ? |
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| 16:09.09 | pkakelas | Sorry I had an issue with the internet |
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| 16:14.25 | rgr | lol |
| 16:15.19 | pkakelas | Hello |
| 16:15.21 | pkakelas | I need some help. I've installed debian wheezy on my brand new laptop with GPU Nvidia Geforce 240M. I've been trying to install the proper driver and I ended installing bublepee but nothing changed. On details I can see that the graphics experience is set to fallback |
| 16:15.27 | pkakelas | Any ideas? |
| 16:15.30 | pbunny | i have bumblebee problems too |
| 16:15.38 | pbunny | with nvidia geforce 730m |
| 16:15.57 | pbunny | optirun and primusrun work, but i get 10 times less FPS on nvidia than on integrated intel |
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| 16:16.08 | pbunny | even though glxinfo for nvidia is ok |
| 16:16.11 | pbunny | suggestions? |
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| 16:19.05 | babilen | pkakelas: So, did you work through https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee ? Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 16:21.27 | pkakelas | http://paste.debian.net/114674/ |
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| 16:21.35 | pkakelas | babilen thanks in advance |
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| 16:25.52 | babilen | pkakelas: That doesn't look as if you have a nvidia card at all. And is that the *entire* content of /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 16:26.25 | pkakelas | I have nvidia Geforce 740M |
| 16:26.33 | pkakelas | No, this is the tail of the file |
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| 16:27.40 | babilen | Well, that doesn't help much, now does it. And "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" only lists the intel card? |
| 16:28.22 | pkakelas | http://paste.debian.net/114675/ |
| 16:28.34 | pkakelas | Here's the full file |
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| 16:30.24 | babilen | judd: pciid 10de:1292 |
| 16:30.25 | judd | [10de:1292] is 'GK208M [GeForce GT 740M]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:1292 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 16:31.18 | babilen | That's the one. Curious that it is not listed by "lspci -nn" -- Could you paste the entire contents of that file? You also haven't answered my earlier question regarding your installation procedure and how closely you followed https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
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| 16:31.33 | babilen | I'll be afk for a little while (sorry for that) |
| 16:32.08 | pkakelas | I added the proper repository |
| 16:32.38 | pkakelas | I apt-get installed the bumblebee and added my user to the proper group |
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| 16:32.47 | babilen | Which repository are you referring to? |
| 16:32.50 | pkakelas | then I restarted my PC |
| 16:33.12 | pkakelas | The one for debian wheezy |
| 16:33.13 | babilen | Anyway, I have to leave for some time. (but please be precise. "proper repository" doesn't mean anything) |
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| 16:33.21 | babilen | Which one *exactly* ? |
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| 16:34.03 | pkakelas | deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main |
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| 16:35.23 | babilen | pkakelas: You also need "contrib non-free" because some packages are not in main. |
| 16:36.01 | pkakelas | You mean deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports contrib non-free? |
| 16:36.05 | babilen | pkakelas: Please follow the instructions on https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee in every detail. I hope that doing so resolves your issue and if not we can hopefully sort you out. Until later and good luck! |
| 16:36.08 | Zvpun | Hi. I want to install a more recent version of xserver-xorg-video-intel (I am on stable). Is there a way to only update this package and keep the other packages on stable? Is there a recommendation on how to deal with old drivers? |
| 16:36.08 | kpap | I have canned rations, water, dust masks, plastic and duct tape |
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| 16:36.26 | pkakelas | Thanks a lot babilen |
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| 16:36.32 | babilen | pkakelas: No, I mean "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main contrib non-free" |
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| 16:37.26 | pkakelas | Thank you |
| 16:37.35 | jonny3010 | When I this init script i get this error |
| 16:37.36 | jonny3010 | root@Nano:/etc/init.d# ./utserver : invalid option |
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| 16:41.19 | babilen | judd: file etc/init.d/utserver |
| 16:41.30 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 16:42.11 | babilen | jonny3010: Doesn't seem to be packaged in Debian (and therefore not really supported in here), but most init scripts take arguments such as start, stop, restart, status, .. |
| 16:42.43 | jonny3010 | only missing a couple but shouldnt it work? |
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| 16:44.55 | r00t-err0r | When I SSH to my home machine, i dont get IP from client that SSHd to server, in iftop for example stay my server ip. What is a problem? |
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| 16:47.52 | jhutchins | r00t-err0r: What do you get, and what do you think you should get? |
| 16:48.38 | r00t-err0r | i got public server public ip |
| 16:48.57 | r00t-err0r | but i connected via phone, i need to get phone ip not public ip |
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| 16:50.58 | r00t-err0r | understand what i talking about? |
| 16:51.48 | petemc | r00t-err0r: if you run 'w' , where does it say you logged in from? |
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| 16:53.12 | r00t-err0r | from public ip |
| 16:53.39 | r00t-err0r | of server, not my phone IP for example |
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| 16:56.08 | babilen | r00t-err0r: NAT is probably to blame here if you cannot connect directly to your box, but to the router sitting at the border. ##networking might have some sensible suggestions on how to configure your network differently. |
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| 17:23.07 | Bluewolf | Hi all, I just downloaded a debian iso and want to check its hash to make sure its not corrupt before burning that and checking it as well. Could someone help me through it? |
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| 17:25.01 | debconf | Bluewolf https://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
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| 17:28.20 | Bluewolf | debconf, Ahhhh, this is more complicated that Ubuntu. Okay I downloaded three .iso's that are in my Download folder how do I check them through the terminal (debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso)? |
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| 17:30.45 | abrotman | Bluewolf: md5sum foo.iso |
| 17:30.52 | debconf | Bluewolf like every other files |
| 17:30.55 | debconf | with md5sum |
| 17:30.58 | debconf | sha*sum |
| 17:31.06 | debconf | and obviously with gpg and keyring |
| 17:31.23 | abrotman | Bluewolf: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable/amd64/iso-hybrid/MD5SUMS |
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| 17:32.20 | Bluewolf | abrotman: Yeah that helps a lot better :D |
| 17:32.33 | abrotman | it's in the same directory as the ISO you downloaded ... |
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| 17:32.50 | babilen | Bluewolf: Why did you download three images and live one if you want to install Debian? |
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| 17:34.11 | Bluewolf | babilen: I want to try them, plus each image may just suit each of my computers :D |
| 17:35.03 | Bluewolf | debconf, Sorry I put that in the Terminal how? md5sum debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso |
| 17:35.25 | phy1729 | what is the right way to start iperf as a daemon on boot? |
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| 17:38.17 | babilen | Bluewolf: We don't necessarily recommend using the live images for installation, but they should work |
| 17:38.36 | debconf | yes in the directory of mirror where you downloaded the iso's you will found also file like MD5SUMS and MD5SUMS.sign |
| 17:39.00 | debconf | if you want to check with md5 you download it and then on therminal just do md5sum -c MD5SUMS |
| 17:39.41 | debconf | the same if you wanna check other algorith, sha*sum -c SHA*SUMS |
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| 17:40.52 | Bluewolf | Yeah I don't quite understand how to put in the command to lead the terminal to that file to check? |
| 17:41.09 | Bluewolf | And why would it not be recomended to install with a live CD? |
| 17:41.58 | debconf | you obviously have to go in the dir where did you download files... |
| 17:42.14 | debconf | open your terminal then: cd /your/iso/dir |
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| 17:43.40 | babilen | Bluewolf: Because the actual install images are more thoroughly tested. The live cds are that, Live CDs. The installer images are also what they are, install images. Each specialised to do what they are good at. |
| 17:43.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bluewolf -about installer firmware |
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| 17:46.56 | Bluewolf | babilen: Ah I see, why is it each time I move to a new OS it has its complications. You see Ubuntu combined the live CD with the install CD which does not complicate things. So where Would I find the install .iso's for CD or should I get DVD's? |
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| 17:47.36 | abrotman | Bluewolf: have broadband? |
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| 17:48.03 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Bluewolf about firmware images |
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| 17:48.21 | Bluewolf | abrotman: Yeah, 250kbps Connection |
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| 17:52.24 | MY123 | Bluewolf: Very slow. Don't download much with lower than 15Mbps(1,5Mbytes) / second connections. |
| 17:53.18 | Bluewolf | I'm lost what are all the suggestions? |
| 17:53.43 | abrotman | Bluewolf: use the ISO the bot told you about |
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| 17:54.46 | Bluewolf | abrotman, The unofficial one, why is it unofficial? |
| 17:55.03 | abrotman | because it contains firmware for various devices |
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| 17:56.35 | sandman13 | Bluewolf: contains some non-free firmwares and Debian doesn't include non-free products in its isos in official way |
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| 17:57.11 | abrotman | wtf .. |
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| 17:57.50 | sandman13 | thinks he messed up again |
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| 17:59.27 | Bluewolf | Okay please excuse the misunderstanding over the Internet as well as my stupidity - Pro's and Con's of the non-free firmwares as well as the official way. Hate not knowing this stuff - So frustrating |
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| 18:00.58 | DarsVaeda | hi trying to access an external flash drive |
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| 18:01.21 | DarsVaeda | worked before but since one of the latest diet-upgrades it does not show up in nautilus |
| 18:01.27 | DarsVaeda | dist-upgrade |
| 18:01.49 | DarsVaeda | I checked syslog and the drive is recognised |
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| 18:03.14 | DarsVaeda | but it says "sdc: unknown partition table" |
| 18:03.20 | DarsVaeda | is it a bad sign? |
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| 18:05.35 | myier | maybe it doesn't have a partition table DarsVaeda, that's not mandatory if you have only one partition |
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| 18:05.53 | DarsVaeda | it had two, one encrypted |
| 18:06.22 | myier | it may be a bad sign, or maybe the update doesn't handle the partition table type you were using |
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| 18:06.47 | DarsVaeda | that would be really bad as it was created with debian disk utility |
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| 18:09.06 | Bluewolf | Can someone tell me if installing with a Live CD cause system problems, if so where can I get the official install CD? |
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| 18:09.37 | babilen | Bluewolf: Try it and see, it should work |
| 18:09.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bluewolf -about install debian |
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| 18:11.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bluewolf -about firmware image |
| 18:11.49 | Bluewolf | babilen: Sorry if I am hesitant but should work does n ot work for me if it will cause problems. I am a simply user and this complex stuff is beyond me, So what is the difference with the install and Live/ |
| 18:11.52 | babilen | (if you have a working internet connection) |
| 18:12.17 | fmcd | i'm trying to get the IA64 7.6 netinst iso to boot off a usb stick... syslinux tries to load boot.img but the vga corrupts and it locks up |
| 18:12.34 | fmcd | this shouldn't be that difficult |
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| 18:13.29 | babilen | Bluewolf: The live CD is a live CD that you boot and then start using just like you would use an already installed system. It is rather tailored to that usecase that meant for the task of setting up a new Debian system on your harddrive. It does, however, contain functionality to start the installer that is also on the "normal" install images. |
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| 18:13.58 | babilen | fmcd: Are you sure that you have an Itanium processor (as opposed to a normal 64 bit Intel one such as an i7) |
| 18:14.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell fmcd -about ia64 |
| 18:14.12 | fmcd | ah that could be it |
| 18:14.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell fmcd -about why amd64 |
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| 18:14.29 | fmcd | so which one for core i7 then |
| 18:14.32 | babilen | amd64 |
| 18:14.36 | babilen | (or i386) |
| 18:14.44 | fmcd | ah ok. that helps :) |
| 18:14.53 | fmcd | might be an idea to make that clearer on the download page |
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| 18:15.29 | babilen | fmcd: Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? If so: How do you connect and is it fast? Do you already know if you want to install a desktop environment and if so which one? |
| 18:15.38 | Bluewolf | babilen, Okay so there is no technical difference other than the fact that the live CD allows you to boot the OS of the CD and the install "installs" directly off the disk without the option of the latter? |
| 18:15.48 | babilen | Bluewolf: Feel free to answer these questions too if you want support in choosing the optimal image for you btw |
| 18:16.06 | fmcd | what i want to install is a minimal text setup to set up a xen hypervisor |
| 18:16.18 | JohnA | HI, I running Firefox 33a2 under Jessie. FF seems to need root for updates, is there a way of getting it to do auto updates either without root or getting it to aquire root? |
| 18:16.33 | babilen | Bluewolf: The installer is being started differently and the setup is not as often tested. I've seen installation fail with the live cd and *I* am in no position to debug problems with the live cd installation. |
| 18:16.43 | fmcd | i have an ethernet connection via a router with dhcp server |
| 18:16.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell fmcd -about firmware image |
| 18:17.14 | babilen | fmcd: Just install the "standard" task (and nothing else) during the initial installation and use the amd64 netinstall image with firmware then. |
| 18:18.16 | fmcd | sounds good babilen |
| 18:19.08 | babilen | You also probably want to choose the linux-image-amd64 metapackage rather than installing a specific kernel though and then continue with the Xen setup. We typically make the Xen kernel the default one by running "mv /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen /etc/grub.d/09_linux_xen" and "update-grub2" on our boxes, but you can naturally adjust it in /etc/default/grub too |
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| 18:19.57 | fmcd | yeah. just want to install basic wheezy first hten xen |
| 18:20.11 | Bluewolf | babilen, Okay then is there a difference in difficulty between the two installing and it is "Okay", "Fine" and "Good" to install off the live despite the possibility it could fail (As in one installed through the live CD is it the same as the install?) |
| 18:20.12 | babilen | JohnA: Please ask in a mozilla channel. We neither support nor recomend Firefox as it doesn't integrate well into the system. If the only reason for you for using FF rather than Iceweasel is the version then you should take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 18:20.33 | fmcd | btw.. does the xen kernel included in wheezy or jessie support pci passthrough yet? |
| 18:20.47 | babilen | Bluewolf: The installer is the same I think. I *never* used it though. |
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| 18:21.01 | babilen | Other people do and it should work |
| 18:21.31 | JohnA | Next, anybody recommend a "good" menu editor/setup application. I have stuff scattered all over the menus - gramps under office why, and how do I add Heimdall to the menus? |
| 18:21.36 | babilen | I can't really comment on that. I was simply surprised that you decided to download the live CD rather than the images that are linked from, say, https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
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| 18:22.33 | babilen | JohnA: Which DE or WM are you using? |
| 18:23.05 | JohnA | babilen: In what way do FF/TB not integrate well? |
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| 18:23.12 | meek_geek | who is using debian next |
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| 18:24.28 | Bluewolf | babilen, I would like to test it first, I moved off Ubuntu 10.04 to Linux Mint 14 because I did not like Unity then moved to Ubuntu 14.04 because Mint had its annoying bugs (Which Ubuntu has as well which is annoying) I am just hoping Debian lives up to its reputation of being good and stable? |
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| 18:25.04 | babilen | Bluewolf: I am likely to answer "yes" to that question, yeah |
| 18:26.29 | babilen | JohnA: Well, for once they are not upgraded through the package manager, plugins don't work well, things like the Debian alternatives system (and conversely xdg-open, x-www-browser and x-gnome-browser) is not being configured and software that relies on these won't be able to use it. |
| 18:27.07 | babilen | JohnA: There is also very little reason to not use IW (and Icedove I think) on Debian as you can get new releases, beta and aurora versions hot of the press too. |
| 18:27.26 | babilen | Lastly: IW is supported in this channel while FF is most definitely not |
| 18:28.46 | Bluewolf | babilen, Then much obliged for the assistance, I just need to check the Hashes through the terminal of the .iso's. What is the exact command telling the terminal to check the .iso in my Downloads folder (I am in Ubuntu if thats any difference) |
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| 18:29.27 | babilen | "md5sum ~/Downloads/name-of-the.iso" should work. |
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| 18:29.53 | babilen | Are you planning to install from USB or will you write the iso to a blank CD/DVD ? |
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| 18:30.59 | babilen | Bluewolf: Could you run "lspci -nn" *and* "lspci -n" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? (give me the URL) -- I'd like to check if your hardware is supported and if it requires firmware. |
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| 18:32.41 | Bluewolf | babilen, okay fair enough, give me a moment - Thank you :D |
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| 18:32.50 | JohnA | babilen: when I go looking for TB Aurora it does not seem to be in the Debian repositories. And so far I have not managed to get Debian's alternatives Icedov / evolution working reliably with my Davical address/calendar server. |
| 18:32.51 | JohnA | Another problem is that neither FF/TB do auto update, they only update through the package manage whicxh requuires root> |
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| 18:34.38 | Bluewolf | babilen, I am glad you can understand this - http://paste.debian.net/114691/ |
| 18:34.51 | JohnA | babilen: 'menu' - xfce I had thought of going to gnome, but am still trying work out the good, bad and the ugle of either choice! |
| 18:37.04 | fmcd | if a usb stick has two partitions.. with kernel and initrd on part 1 bootable, and the iso on part 2... how does the boot kernel know about / load the iso on part 2.. or can it? |
| 18:37.15 | babilen | JohnA: I am not use Icedove, so I can't really comment on that. I know that you can get it from http://mozilla.debian.net, but I have no idea how closely it follows upstream releases. Iceweasel is definitely on top of things though. |
| 18:37.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell fmcd -about usb install |
| 18:37.38 | babilen | Bluewolf: heh, I use a website for that :) |
| 18:38.36 | babilen | Bluewolf: Okay, how do you connect to the internet? |
| 18:40.07 | Bluewolf | babilen, That's my point, you have a website. I connect via Broadband cable to my wireless modem |
| 18:40.08 | fmcd | babelin: yup i was doing that... its not clear though about whether the iso goes in the same partition as the boot files |
| 18:40.13 | babilen | Bluewolf: That hardware should be well supported. You will probably want to install the nvidia drivers after the initial installation though. The procedure to do so is detailed on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#wheezy-backports and a suitable /etc/apt/sources.list (repository configuration) would be http://paste.debian.net/114692/ (you can use *exactly* that if you want) |
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| 18:40.49 | babilen | fmcd: IRC clients typically support tab-completion for nicknames. Try: bab<TAB> |
| 18:41.10 | pbase | hi. can anyone help me test this im client - tox.im ? |
| 18:41.21 | fmcd | babilen: yup :) |
| 18:41.24 | pbase | I simply want to try a voice call/video call to check the quality |
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| 18:42.06 | babilen | fmcd: No, you write the iso *directly* to the USB stick. A suitable command if your usb stick is /dev/sdb (check "dmesg|tail -n23" after plugging it in) would be "cp the-debian.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" (adjust to reflect the actual device note. Do *not* overwrite one of your harddrives please. |
| 18:42.39 | babilen | pbase: This is #debian and not #test-random-software. We only support software that has been packaged in Debian so please kindly take it elsewhere. |
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| 18:43.17 | babilen | Bluewolf: You will probably want to learn a bit more about the new computer system you will be using and we make an excellent book available for free which I would *strongly* recommend to read. |
| 18:43.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell Bluewolf -about debian handbook |
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| 18:43.36 | fmcd | babilen: ah.. i guess i tried that earlier with the wrong architecture and forgot |
| 18:43.44 | babilen | Bluewolf: In particular the chapter on package management would be of interest: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html |
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| 18:45.45 | Bluewolf | babilen, Brain freeze!!!! Wow that's a lot of info. thank you good to see Debian is just as helpful as Ubuntu. I hope to make it here in one piece :D |
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| 18:47.36 | babilen | Bluewolf: I might not be around all the time and I figured I'd rather give you the information now. |
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| 18:50.20 | multi_io | rryoumaa: thanks, I'll use rsync/rsnapshot now, as rdiff-backup seems to roughly 10 times slower too |
| 18:50.33 | Bluewolf | babilen, Sure thing, I see your logic. I will keep it handy and if I run into other issues then I will find my way back here. By the way how is Debian with dual boots, is it the same as ubuntu? |
| 18:50.38 | multi_io | (at least on incremental backups) |
| 18:50.59 | Bluewolf | And don't tell me its difficult :D |
| 18:52.31 | linuxuz3r | hi |
| 18:52.48 | Artemis3 | Bluewolf, its difficult, not really :) |
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| 18:53.41 | Bluewolf | Artemis3: Helpful sense of humor :D |
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| 18:56.34 | Artemis3 | Bluewolf, there is a difference tho, if you need proprietary firmware, tho there is an unofficial image to install with those (say wifi not detected by the installer) |
| 18:57.23 | alteregoa | what the heck is this weird error? |
| 18:57.27 | alteregoa | alloc_contig_range test_pages_isolated |
| 18:57.33 | rryoumaa | multi_io: the only problem i have had is that rsync makes the whole system (including keyboard input) freeze for a few seconds, and nice and ionice do not seem to fix it. but i keep finding uses for its "all backups available" model. |
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| 18:58.34 | Artemis3 | rryoumaa, that sounds like something related to the hd, i have a failing hd doing me that (not just rsync, any reading) |
| 18:58.51 | rryoumaa | hmm |
| 18:59.05 | ompaul | alteregoa: you should stick that into google and see which part of the memory management of the linux kernel list is hurting you |
| 18:59.15 | rryoumaa | it's just rsync and du here |
| 18:59.20 | ompaul | alteregoa: what kernel are you running? |
| 18:59.23 | Bluewolf | Artemis3, So a simple Live CD won't work with a dual boot? |
| 18:59.30 | ompaul | alteregoa: on what platform? |
| 18:59.38 | alteregoa | its 3.16 |
| 18:59.45 | alteregoa | x86-64 |
| 18:59.59 | Artemis3 | rryoumaa, you could try dd to read the whole thing and see if the system "freezes" at point, there is a reason for that with failing ata drives |
| 19:00.06 | ompaul | alteregoa: try filing a bug |
| 19:00.37 | ompaul | seems to be around since march so it maybe shouldn't be in there - file it against the kernel and if you have an older kernel boot that if it is killing your machine |
| 19:00.44 | Artemis3 | Bluewolf, if its simply updating grub thats no big deal |
| 19:00.46 | rryoumaa | Artemis3: can you do that while the fs is mounted? |
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| 19:00.55 | ompaul | alteregoa: thats an amd64 kernel :) |
| 19:00.57 | alteregoa | the problem is i see some kworker spikes |
| 19:01.05 | alteregoa | yeah x86-64 |
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| 19:01.44 | Artemis3 | rryoumaa, ofc if you are just reading (ie something like dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null) do you have a backup? |
| 19:02.15 | Bluewolf | Artemis3, Well I will want to install Debian on a separate hard drive to my windows 7 which is already installed? |
| 19:02.24 | alteregoa | i heard it could be a compiler spaghetti code GCC issue |
| 19:02.57 | Artemis3 | Bluewolf, hmm if the windows drive is the first one, and you want to install grub there, it should work from within the debian-installer just fine |
| 19:03.20 | ompaul | alteregoa: source for that? |
| 19:03.27 | alteregoa | GCC 4.9 |
| 19:03.32 | ompaul | no |
| 19:03.36 | alteregoa | linus said it could produce garbage code |
| 19:03.40 | ompaul | oh that |
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| 19:04.36 | Artemis3 | alteregoa, i think they fixed those bugs tho :) |
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| 19:06.47 | Bluewolf | Artemis3, Yes the Windows is the first drive and grub would have to be installed on it. The Live CD would not find that a problem? |
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| 19:07.37 | alteregoa | maybe the goauld compiled it with 4.9 instead 4.91 |
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| 19:09.02 | Artemis3 | Bluewolf, the installer from the debian live cd is actually the same from the other isos. If you are using the amd64 kernel its just fine (with 32 bit there is a problem if you pick i686 instead of i486) |
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| 19:10.10 | Artemis3 | Bluewolf, when you reach the partitioning, thats where you will likely pay attention the you are installing things, but that should be about it. |
| 19:10.24 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 19:10.25 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.16-rc6-686-pae (3.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); jessie: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.13-2); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.14.13-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 19:10.53 | ompaul | alteregoa: run the one in sid not the bleeding edge |
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| 19:12.46 | Bluewolf | Artemis3, It is amd64, yeah I'm a bit familiar with the installer. Now its not a problem as my other computer has one hard drive which I have partitioned, same thing? |
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| 19:14.08 | Artemis3 | yes, the installer should let you "use rest of disk" (phrased different) |
| 19:14.22 | Artemis3 | by simply leaving unpartitioned space |
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| 19:17.38 | Bluewolf | Artemis3, Thank you for your time and help :D |
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| 19:25.23 | kpap | i have forgotten my password and need to reset it, can someone help me with that? |
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| 19:26.40 | Artemis3 | init=/bin/bash rw at the bootline grub :P or just rescue mode. |
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| 19:53.33 | _unreal_ | hello, I could use some help on trying to get my computer to connect to wifi |
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| 19:54.17 | mtn | _unreal_: did you use the debian wiki on wireless? |
| 19:54.18 | _unreal_ | I need to get it online using wifi, network manager was not installed much to my dismay, so I have to do it from command line. the other issue I have is that there are spaces in the ESSID and wpa pass key |
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| 19:54.32 | _unreal_ | its the spaces that are throwing me off |
| 19:55.07 | _unreal_ | iwconfig wlan0 essid "blaa blaa blaa" works fine |
| 19:55.35 | zoro | Can anyone help me? I |
| 19:55.57 | mtn | zoro: maybe if you ask your question ;) |
| 19:56.05 | _unreal_ | but trying to enter the key which has spaces in it and is wpa2 I cant seem to enter with out getting set fail arrgument issues |
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| 19:56.22 | _unreal_ | mtn, yes I've been looking threw it |
| 19:56.33 | _unreal_ | zoro no one knows what your question is |
| 19:56.49 | jerichowasahoax | I've noticed systemd and friends have been pulled in on my system, despite me having openrc installed. Are you guys dropping support for init systems other than systemd or am I worrying over nothing? |
| 19:57.26 | zoro | I need to install my graphics card driver. I tried installing today and I forgot to blacklist the nouveau driver. I went on a new install and now I want to know exactly how to install the driver without ruining anything. |
| 19:57.32 | mtn | jerichowasahoax: you are talking about testing, right? systemd is now the default, but support for others has not been dropped, as far as I know. |
| 19:57.40 | zoro | I'm on Jessie |
| 19:57.49 | mtn | zoro: are you following the wiki? |
| 19:57.58 | zoro | I tried the wiki |
| 19:58.26 | jerichowasahoax | mtn: Yes, I'm talking about testing, and thank you. Also I was vaguely watching the init system debate when it was happening, and it seemed like the openrc advocate was a bit of a nutter. I apologize on behalf of sane openrc users everywhere :V |
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| 19:59.57 | _unreal_ | I finally got my graphics card working in 3D ATI card no less |
| 20:00.22 | KM0201 | bout freaking time |
| 20:00.24 | KM0201 | what was wrong? |
| 20:00.24 | _unreal_ | but trying to get wifi up.... so mtn any suggestions? its the spaces in the password that are screwing me up |
| 20:00.40 | KM0201 | uh.. remove the spaces? |
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| 20:00.54 | _unreal_ | cant |
| 20:01.00 | _unreal_ | not my router no access |
| 20:01.04 | KM0201 | hmm |
| 20:01.07 | KM0201 | quotes? |
| 20:01.12 | _unreal_ | tried |
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| 20:01.29 | _unreal_ | quotes worked for the essid but are throwing argument errors on the key |
| 20:01.37 | jerichowasahoax | _unreal_: Are you in a position where you can ask really nicely for a password without spaces? |
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| 20:01.52 | KM0201 | pretty dumb to have a password w/ spaces.. but thats just me. |
| 20:01.57 | _unreal_ | I can ask till I'm blue in the face and NO its not going to change |
| 20:02.00 | KM0201 | i'm surprised any OS would allow that. |
| 20:02.19 | jerichowasahoax | KM0201: I don't see what's wrong with it if it works. |
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| 20:02.26 | jerichowasahoax | Right now it doesn't work, true, but still |
| 20:02.27 | ompaul | KM0201: as long as it part of a string it is a good thing |
| 20:02.29 | KM0201 | just seems dumb |
| 20:02.43 | _unreal_ | do any of you supose wpa_supplicant may help? |
| 20:02.48 | _unreal_ | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Wifi |
| 20:02.54 | _unreal_ | I've been following that |
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| 20:03.06 | ompaul | this an essid with spaces? |
| 20:03.11 | ompaul | in the pw |
| 20:03.53 | KM0201 | ompaul: from what i've gathered |
| 20:04.27 | ompaul | WPA passwords are 8-63 characters including spaces and other characters. e.i. !@#$%^&*()_+-=,.<>?:";'{}[]124567890`~\| |
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| 20:04.51 | KM0201 | so why is it not taking the spaces? |
| 20:04.58 | KM0201 | (assuming that is the problem) |
| 20:05.00 | _unreal_ | yes spaces in both essid and password key. its the spaces in the key that are screwing me up |
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| 20:05.17 | _unreal_ | I get argument issues |
| 20:05.18 | frostschutz | screwing you up how |
| 20:05.33 | frostschutz | exact error messages? |
| 20:05.46 | frostschutz | sounds like a bug in a script you could fix |
| 20:05.47 | ompaul | _unreal_: when you look at /etc/network/interfaces look at the password --- is that the password |
| 20:05.58 | _unreal_ | I type: iwconfig wlan0 essid "bla bla bla" key bla bla bla and I get an argument error return on the key |
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| 20:06.20 | frostschutz | _unreal_, key "bla bla bla" you mean? |
| 20:06.24 | _unreal_ | if I just do the essid I get no error |
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| 20:06.39 | _unreal_ | with and with out quotes I get the same error |
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| 20:07.34 | _unreal_ | error for wireless SET encode |
| 20:07.37 | ompaul | _unreal_: in your /etc/network/interfaces the below iface wlan0 inet dhcp you have two lines (or can do) |
| 20:07.50 | jhutchins | _unreal_: Are you entering the key in hex? |
| 20:07.52 | _unreal_ | let me check |
| 20:08.04 | ompaul | many spaces in wpa-psk Password Here |
| 20:08.09 | _unreal_ | jholden_away, no I'm typing the key in plain text |
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| 20:08.16 | ompaul | if it fails you should put it in that file |
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| 20:08.22 | _unreal_ | ompaul, i'm using console |
| 20:08.33 | ompaul | _unreal_: and I wonder how vi works :) |
| 20:08.35 | jhutchins | _unreal_: THat's the problem then. |
| 20:08.35 | _unreal_ | I dont have a GUI interface |
| 20:08.49 | _unreal_ | once I get connected I can get it installed |
| 20:08.51 | jhutchins | _unreal_: Check the key section on the iwconfig man page. |
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| 20:09.06 | jhutchins | _unreal_: You need to tell it it's ASCII not hex. |
| 20:09.17 | _unreal_ | I'm not DOING hex |
| 20:09.24 | KM0201 | right |
| 20:09.27 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.39 | ompaul | will preserve the internal spaces |
| 20:09.44 | _unreal_ | ? |
| 20:09.46 | ompaul | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/102530/escape-characters-in-etc-network-interfaces |
| 20:09.52 | ompaul | _unreal_: use vi and get over it |
| 20:09.53 | jhutchins | _unreal_: Right. |
| 20:09.59 | ompaul | or nan |
| 20:10.01 | ompaul | nano |
| 20:10.15 | ompaul | or whatever helps you edit that file |
| 20:10.19 | jhutchins | _unreal_: You need to tell iwconfig you're not doing hex, not me. |
| 20:10.28 | ompaul | ssid="test adhoc" |
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| 20:10.52 | ompaul | vanishes in a puff of logic |
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| 20:13.03 | babilen | Bluewolf: How's it going? |
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| 20:14.57 | _unreal_ | I dont know what: wpa-ssid "a b" "cd" means |
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| 20:15.50 | KM0201 | have you tried using hex, and usinga hex converter to convert your password? |
| 20:16.17 | KM0201 | i think thats what jhutchins was getting towards earlier |
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| 20:16.55 | ompaul | _unreal_: yiou can add the values directly to your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 20:17.00 | ompaul | and cut out the tools |
| 20:17.02 | ompaul | that are not doing it |
| 20:17.11 | ompaul | then unplug the wire and see how you go |
| 20:17.28 | _unreal_ | ompaul, well thats what I'm trying to figure out. I dont know any thing about networking especially when it comes to command line. |
| 20:17.37 | ompaul | just told you the file you edit |
| 20:17.43 | ompaul | I aslo gave you a link |
| 20:17.47 | ompaul | lynx can read that |
| 20:17.51 | _unreal_ | yes I have that open in nano |
| 20:17.57 | ompaul | so go to it |
| 20:18.00 | _unreal_ | and there is almost nothing in it |
| 20:18.15 | _unreal_ | almost every thing that is in there has # in front |
| 20:18.17 | ompaul | underneath the wlan |
| 20:18.20 | ompaul | line |
| 20:18.25 | _unreal_ | nothing says wlan any thing |
| 20:18.33 | jhutchins | _unreal_: The only thing you're doing wrong is you're not telling it the key is ascii instead of hex. If you fix that it'll work fine. |
| 20:18.33 | _unreal_ | I just installed the wireless card. its never been used |
| 20:19.04 | ompaul | if you do not have a device name in there like wlan or something that is wireless related |
| 20:19.05 | _unreal_ | jhutchins, ok.. but i'm not sure how to do that |
| 20:19.07 | ompaul | you don't have drivers |
| 20:19.12 | KM0201 | jhutchins: could he just convert his key to hex... ? |
| 20:19.12 | ompaul | for whatever |
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| 20:19.24 | _unreal_ | ugh..... |
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| 20:19.38 | _unreal_ | the drivers are there |
| 20:19.40 | _unreal_ | I believe? |
| 20:19.54 | _unreal_ | I can do scanning and it finds the AP |
| 20:20.10 | _unreal_ | but it WONT take the password key with spaces |
| 20:20.10 | KM0201 | then that would seem to suggest it's working (to me anyway) |
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| 20:20.25 | KM0201 | _unreal_: have you listened to what jhutchins has said? |
| 20:20.38 | _unreal_ | yes....... its a lot to take it and read at the same time |
| 20:20.46 | KM0201 | it's expecting the key in hex.. you need to tell it you're entering hte key in ascii |
| 20:20.47 | _unreal_ | take in |
| 20:21.09 | madmax | is theredj software for debian? |
| 20:21.09 | _unreal_ | ok so HOW do I do that is what I am not comprehending |
| 20:21.22 | KM0201 | _unreal_: now that i'm not sure of. |
| 20:21.30 | _unreal_ | LOL |
| 20:21.49 | _unreal_ | then that may be the primary issue that is hindering me. |
| 20:22.22 | KM0201 | however... if he's right.. and it's simply expecting a hex password.. use this to convert your ascii password to Hex.. http://www.asciitohex.com/ |
| 20:22.32 | KM0201 | then just use the hex password.. and see if that lets you connect |
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| 20:25.16 | jhutchins | _unreal_: Well, I did tell you it's in the key section of the iwconfig manpage, and I think it's a good idea to at least look that over, you simply preceed the ascii password with s: |
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| 20:25.27 | jhutchins | _unreal_: That simple. |
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| 20:25.50 | jhutchins | _unreal_: iirc it's just s:passphrase |
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| 20:26.07 | KM0201 | jhutchins: could he just enter his password in hex? |
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| 20:26.45 | KM0201 | i've never heard of this issue, so i dont know (i've always used a GUI for wireless) |
| 20:27.19 | jhutchins | KM0201: Yes, he could do that, but there's no need. |
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| 20:27.51 | jhutchins | KM0201: Some devices are really picky about how you enter keys. Some won't let you enter a key that's shorter than the max you've set. |
| 20:28.05 | KM0201 | yeah |
| 20:28.08 | jhutchins | KM0201: A lot of 'em used to only allow hex, iwconfig is flexible. |
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| 20:28.39 | KM0201 | well, it just seemed ann easy solution to just use hex, since there's plenty of online ascii >>hex converters |
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| 20:29.17 | jhutchins | KM0201: Yeah, but just using s:pasphrase is easier. |
| 20:29.45 | _unreal_ | nope hex failed |
| 20:29.49 | _unreal_ | invalid argument |
| 20:30.10 | KM0201 | .. then do what jhutchins said (although he said that would work)... s:passphrase |
| 20:30.31 | _unreal_ | s:passphrase |
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| 20:30.32 | _unreal_ | ? |
| 20:31.34 | _unreal_ | I type: iwconfig wlan0 essid "bla bla bla" key s:bla bla bla |
| 20:31.36 | _unreal_ | so like that? |
| 20:32.38 | jhutchins | _yep. Not sure spaces are valid, but otherwise... |
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| 20:32.50 | _unreal_ | ugh, good old south florida, alarms just started screaming that lighting is about to happen |
| 20:33.03 | _unreal_ | nope same error |
| 20:33.21 | KM0201 | "You can enter the key as an ASCII string by using the s: prefix" |
| 20:33.38 | jhutchins | _unreal_: The manpage says that pasphrases are not supported, which suggests that spaces aren't allowed |
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| 20:33.57 | KM0201 | i said that from the very beginning...lol |
| 20:34.03 | _unreal_ | AHHHHHHH. |
| 20:34.15 | _unreal_ | then where/how do I setup passphrases |
| 20:34.45 | jhutchins | _unreal_: I don't know if it'll work in the interfaces file, but try switching to a key that has no spaces. |
| 20:34.57 | KM0201 | hehe jhutchins |
| 20:35.24 | _unreal_ | I CANT change the key its not my router |
| 20:35.30 | KM0201 | i wonder why the hex password didn't work |
| 20:35.39 | _unreal_ | my only option is to use the current key |
| 20:35.48 | _unreal_ | KM0201, I may have entered it worng |
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| 20:36.53 | dontknow | hi! do you know when will jessie be stable? |
| 20:37.11 | KM0201 | i thought you had an ethernet cable in the machine you're trying to get wireless going on?.. why not just set up SSH between your machine you're talking to us on, and the other machine |
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| 20:37.36 | KM0201 | dontknow: your username says it all... i'd anticipate it being a while, as the feature freeze isn't till november i think |
| 20:37.42 | KM0201 | then there will be testing after that. |
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| 20:37.58 | KM0201 | if it's out by April, i would be really surprised |
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| 20:38.45 | dontknow | KM0201, next year! |
| 20:38.51 | dontknow | are yuo sure? |
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| 20:38.59 | KM0201 | well, unless you've goot a way to marty mcfly yourself backwards |
| 20:39.15 | dontknow | KM0201, ah sorry november |
| 20:39.18 | KM0201 | dontknow: look at previous releases.. most of them, it's 3-5mo after feature freeze before final release |
| 20:39.36 | _unreal_ | there is no ethernet on it |
| 20:39.55 | KM0201 | dontknow: feature freeze is in november, so.. as i said.. i'd anticipate it's release between march-may 2015 |
| 20:40.00 | dontknow | KM0201, can i install jessie now and after it become stable, i get stable? |
| 20:40.09 | _unreal_ | err no cable I HAVE a cable on this computer but I'd have to shut every thing down to switch to WIFI on my laptop and move the cable over to the other computer and I really REALLLLLLY dont want to do that. |
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| 20:40.33 | KM0201 | hmm, _unreal_ |
| 20:40.35 | _unreal_ | especially when I have ongooing actions which will be messed up if I loose my network |
| 20:40.38 | phy1729 | dontknow: why would you do that? |
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| 20:41.05 | centrx | dontknow, Yes |
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| 20:41.15 | KM0201 | dontknow: if you're not wellversed in troubleshooting problems, etc.. doing that would be very problematic for you. |
| 20:41.31 | KM0201 | but *could you*... yes... keep it updated, and when it's final release, you'll have the final release |
| 20:41.39 | dontknow | ok |
| 20:41.48 | KM0201 | but.. i'd caution you on that. |
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| 20:42.04 | KM0201 | you're gonna be using software that isn't even alpha yet... and from the sounds of it.. you don't have a whole lot of linux experience |
| 20:42.18 | dontknow | do you know what kernel use current stable? |
| 20:42.34 | zykotick9 | ,kernels |
| 20:42.35 | KM0201 | why do you feel you need to use jessie..? |
| 20:42.35 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.16-rc6-686-pae (3.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); jessie: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.13-2); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.14.13-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 20:43.03 | phy1729 | !tell dontknow about version chasing |
| 20:43.12 | KM0201 | lol |
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| 20:44.09 | dontknow | well, 3.2 kernel doesn't work well with logitech unified receiver and it doesn't perform well on modern cpus |
| 20:44.18 | qjqqyy | what? |
| 20:44.25 | KM0201 | lmao.. "sns syndrom"... that bot writer has quite a sense of humor |
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| 20:44.43 | phy1729 | dontknow: try backports then |
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| 20:45.44 | KM0201 | dontknow: that sounds like something you just copied and pasted off a website |
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| 20:46.09 | KM0201 | what issue are you having that makes you think you need the latest kernel? |
| 20:47.05 | dontknow | KM0201, no! i tried debian stable before actually! stable kernel has issues with my mouse and its cpu driver old for my cpu causes less performance |
| 20:47.25 | phy1729 | dontknow: so try the backports kernel wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae |
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| 20:49.40 | KM0201 | why would he use the pae kernel, since im assuming his new processor is 64bit? |
| 20:50.57 | petern_ | judd only lists 32bit versions. |
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| 20:51.25 | centrx | dontknow, The 3.2 driver is perfectly fast, and you can use backports to use a newer kernel for any driver support you need. |
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| 20:52.25 | dontknow | do you know where to look 3.2 kernel changes? |
| 20:52.42 | dontknow | i am wondering if it has patch for my mouse |
| 20:52.55 | dontknow | latest release |
| 20:53.25 | _unreal_ | KM0201, I just entered: wpa_passphrase "blaa blaa blaa" then it asked for reading from STDIN and gave back an etc/network/interfaces script that it printed on the screen the ssid and psk with spaces of the |
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| 20:53.39 | _unreal_ | password and essid |
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| 20:55.12 | _unreal_ | ok at this point if all has gone well how would I start the network using wpa_supplicant |
| 20:55.37 | ElDiabolo | Just installed wheezy, dhclient (via network-manager) is not getting an IP via eth0. Netinstall did work. |
| 20:55.57 | dontknow | ok i found |
| 20:55.58 | ElDiabolo | Configuring an IP manually does work. |
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| 21:09.51 | Zxcvb | I have been trying to get my i945gm based laptop to work in X for a while and if KMS is enabled then opengl stuff is extremely slow but if I turn it off then I am stuck at 800x600 (instead of 1024x600 like it should be) |
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| 21:13.11 | _unreal_ | screw it yanking network on this so I can get network manager installed |
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| 21:19.09 | ompaul | Zxcvb: intel ... what version of debian |
| 21:19.18 | Zxcvb | wheezy |
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| 21:20.22 | klemax | Hello |
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| 21:20.42 | klemax | is there a way to downgrade php from 5.5 to 5.3? |
| 21:20.48 | ompaul | !downgrade |
| 21:20.49 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 21:20.56 | abrotman | klemax: why would you want to? |
| 21:21.00 | abrotman | that's a horrible idea |
| 21:21.10 | klemax | abrotman: because of my some php applications. |
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| 21:21.43 | abrotman | Fix the code, don't use an unsupported version of PHP |
| 21:21.57 | klemax | abrotman: php 5.3.28 is still supported as far as i know. |
| 21:22.09 | abrotman | then compile it and use it .. |
| 21:22.10 | ompaul | ,v php-5 |
| 21:22.11 | judd | No package named 'php-5' was found in i386. |
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| 21:22.13 | ompaul | ,v php5 |
| 21:22.15 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3-7+squeeze21; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u11; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u12; jessie: 5.6.0~rc3+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.0~rc3+dfsg-1 |
| 21:22.27 | abrotman | klemax: where did you get 5.5 from anyway? |
| 21:22.41 | klemax | abrotman: plesk provides it. |
| 21:22.48 | abrotman | then why would you ask us? |
| 21:22.50 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:23.05 | klemax | abrotman: becase i want to use offical package from deb. |
| 21:23.15 | ompaul | as you can see .28 isn't supported |
| 21:23.37 | abrotman | klemax: then install Debian |
| 21:23.40 | ompaul | Zxcvb: have you installed firmware-linux-nonfree ? |
| 21:23.59 | ompaul | Zxcvb: or are you willing to run testing but I thought wheezy worked on that chip |
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| 21:25.36 | n2diy | madmax still here? |
| 21:25.58 | n2diy | ? |
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| 21:26.38 | p_q1499 | Please Visit Our channell #irccloud on irc.bluechat.it |
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| 21:27.54 | Zxcvb | I have not installed that firmware package, I thought those intel cards were all free now |
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| 21:32.49 | Zxcvb | ompaul: by running vblank_mode=0 glxgears I am getting around 250-260fps rather than less than 1 |
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| 21:33.50 | g105b | I'm trying to load-test server A by running simultaneous wgets from server B, however even when using 'nice testscript.sh', the server locks up. Testscript.sh simply spawns multiple wget processes, I thought 'nice' should not allow the script to lock up? |
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| 21:34.55 | ompaul | Zxcvb: glxgears are something I ahve not done in years |
| 21:35.13 | ompaul | Zxcvb: which laptop is this |
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| 21:37.11 | Zxcvb | ompaul: Toshiba nb305-n310 |
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| 21:37.37 | Zxcvb | ompaul: I had to disable compiz in kde for it to be usable as well |
| 21:37.47 | ompaul | compiz |
| 21:37.54 | ompaul | that project is dead for years |
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| 21:40.09 | Zxcvb | ompaul: or whatever they use for desktop effects now |
| 21:40.35 | ompaul | Zxcvb: ah well it is not really a power laptop |
| 21:41.02 | Zxcvb | ompaul: but it should do better than 1 fps |
| 21:41.17 | ompaul | I'd be inclined to add microcode and that firmware to see if it improved other things |
| 21:41.24 | abrotman | Zxcvb: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 21:41.26 | abrotman | and lspci -nn |
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| 21:42.20 | Zxcvb | ompaul: setting vblank_mode to 0 in .drirc seems to have fixed it |
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| 21:43.23 | Zxcvb | ompaul: it is only 230-260fps but that is much better than before |
| 21:43.26 | ompaul | the card should work but it's a very low spec box Processor type Atom N450 Processor speed 1660.0 MHz Cache size 0.5 KB Bus speed 667.0 MHz |
| 21:43.59 | ompaul | max resolution is only 1048x600 |
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| 21:44.53 | Zxcvb | ompaul: yeah, it's an old netbook but it worked fine under mepis (which hasn't been updated in ages) |
| 21:45.12 | ompaul | Zxcvb: newer kernels have more going on |
| 21:45.17 | ompaul | bigger slower X |
| 21:45.29 | ompaul | working with old hardware is one thing |
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| 21:46.35 | ompaul | it's almost as heavy as my T420 which is a monster in computing terms |
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| 21:47.13 | Zxcvb | ompaul: well at least it works and desktop effects can be enabled now, optimizations such as module paramaters can come later |
| 21:47.14 | ompaul | Zxcvb: I'll try to remember that you did that |
| 21:47.35 | MY123 | Zxcvb: ONLY 230-260 fps ??? You should have 60 fps normally. |
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| 21:47.53 | ompaul | MY123: it was 1fps |
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| 21:49.36 | MY123 | Zxcvb: Energy ... You will now trash the battery very fast, by experience . |
| 21:49.56 | ompaul | cheap fast stable pick any two |
| 21:50.16 | Zxcvb | MY123: probably not that bad, besides it is better than no 3d acceleration at all |
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| 21:51.05 | _unreal_ | I just installed network-manager and network-manager-gnome |
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| 22:05.17 | Artemis3 | poor ssd |
| 22:06.00 | koell | idk, it is a sandisk extreme II |
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| 22:15.31 | justatracer | how do i declare a 2 dimensional array and then iterate through it in a bash script? |
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| 22:16.26 | peterrooney | justatracer: /join #bash |
| 22:16.28 | jhutchins | justatracer: I don't think you do, I think you need a more advanced language, but the guys in #bash know amazing things. |
| 22:16.35 | peterrooney | justatracer: also, you don't; try another language. |
| 22:17.22 | JohnA | // |
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| 22:20.23 | JohnA | I'll ask my question again as I had to leave. I am using xfce and am looking for a menu editor, I am not impressed with the current scheme as I wind with things like Gramps under office, and other like Heimdall nowhere to be found. ? can anybody recommend a "good" menu editor or am I going to have to do it by hand? |
| 22:21.03 | zcx | x |
| 22:21.06 | zcx | chujowy |
| 22:21.10 | zcx | falszywy irc |
| 22:21.18 | zcx | spooferze |
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| 22:21.54 | SynrGy | JohnA: alacarte |
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| 22:24.03 | xamgreen | Hey everyone. I heard that the APACHE_LOG_DIR is present on all debian/ubuntu system even if apache is not installed? is that true? |
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| 22:24.51 | xamgreen | since which version? |
| 22:25.05 | tremon | it isn't |
| 22:26.25 | xamgreen | okay. but after installing apache it is present on every modern debian system? |
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| 22:26.47 | xamgreen | i need this information for a symfony2 documentation. |
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| 22:28.29 | xamgreen | okay thank you tremon. |
| 22:28.33 | tremon | it should be. But as always, the sysadmin can choose to relocate any logs |
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| 22:31.00 | xamgreen | yes, he can, ofcause. Thanks |
| 22:31.09 | ov3rmind | hello great guys i still using debian in my note bute these days occur some trouble with my bluetooth today he not work i uninstall purging conf all bluetooth relates software aand try install again but my gnome stops of reconize synaptic device how i can correct it ? |
| 22:31.23 | SynrGy | xamgreen: the confusion may have come from apache2-bin being a dependency of gnome. however, apache2-bin does not provide APACHE_LOG_DIR |
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| 22:34.01 | xamgreen | that is not so good for mine. Means if i install gnome it is present? |
| 22:34.05 | tremon | is not going to ask why a webserver is considered a non-optional component of any gnome desktop system |
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| 22:34.44 | weka | Why is it that I can start google-chrome by typing "google-chrome" in Terminal but I don't see it in my menus? |
| 22:34.47 | abrotman | tremon: that's not a webserver |
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| 22:34.57 | jonny3010 | Can someone help with a little SSH problem I'm having |
| 22:35.14 | abrotman | tremon: or rather, it doesn't listen like oyu're thinking |
| 22:35.20 | abrotman | jonny3010: just ask |
| 22:35.51 | jonny3010 | While using SSH it freqecy freezes or loses connection |
| 22:36.03 | abrotman | Yes, probably a router in between |
| 22:36.13 | jonny3010 | Im on local network |
| 22:36.19 | jonny3010 | having to use telnet for now |
| 22:36.39 | jonny3010 | server is wired and so is my desktop |
| 22:36.50 | abrotman | What OS is the server and desktop? |
| 22:37.06 | jonny3010 | debian = server. Putty =Windows |
| 22:37.19 | abrotman | jonny3010: there's a keepalive setting in Putty IIRC |
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| 22:37.58 | jonny3010 | ok just enabled I'll see if it fixs |
| 22:38.10 | jonny3010 | nope |
| 22:38.14 | SynrGy | xamgreen, tremon: apache2-bin is the binaries only. it does not provide a working web server. as for why ... read some rants about this on the lists several months back :) |
| 22:38.20 | jonny3010 | do like a command then try do anotehr and freeze |
| 22:38.25 | jonny3010 | when typing |
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| 22:38.45 | jonny3010 | back now but its not right shouldnt do that |
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| 22:39.39 | jonny3010 | must be connection |
| 22:39.42 | jonny3010 | come to think of it |
| 22:39.48 | jonny3010 | telnet just froze |
| 22:39.54 | tremon | jonny3010: if it's also the same network segment, you should probably use generic network troubleshooting. ssh typically isn't very demanding of your network |
| 22:40.01 | abrotman | or it's the router |
| 22:40.27 | jonny3010 | pluged in to a router acting as a switch so either that or cable |
| 22:40.34 | jonny3010 | as the computer plugged in to it is fine |
| 22:40.52 | abrotman | yes, Windows never has a problem .. |
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| 22:40.54 | jonny3010 | I believe its the cable |
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| 22:41.33 | zcx | searching for clones on [#debian] (1424) users |
| 22:41.35 | zcx | clones located at..::*!*@freebsd/lover/kiril::.. |
| 22:41.35 | zcx | Â 1: [Arkadietz] |
| 22:41.35 | zcx | Â 2: [Kiril] |
| 22:41.35 | zcx | clones located at..::*!*@unaffiliated/ridout::.. |
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| 22:42.03 | weka | Why is it that I can start google-chrome by typing "google-chrome" in Terminal but I don't see it in my menus? |
| 22:42.15 | jonny3010 | you need to add it |
| 22:42.22 | SynrGy | and in any case we don't support it. |
| 22:42.25 | jonny3010 | using a menu editor |
| 22:42.28 | abrotman | weka: called "Chromium" perhaps ? |
| 22:42.36 | tremon | weka: which desktop environment? |
| 22:42.36 | xamgreen | SynrGy: okay ill do so. |
| 22:42.39 | jonny3010 | ^ |
| 22:42.40 | weka | GNOME |
| 22:42.49 | jonny3010 | look for a GNOME menu editor |
| 22:42.51 | weka | I am sure I installed google chrome.. not chromium |
| 22:43.04 | abrotman | okay |
| 22:43.11 | tremon | ah, you installed it locally, not through a debian package? |
| 22:43.50 | jonny3010 | chrome is deb file or rpm |
| 22:44.06 | weka | I tried doing the deb file but my terminal hangs... |
| 22:44.07 | JohnA | SynrGy: Well alacarte does not seem to do anything! I cannot get it to do anything, running under root or otherwise. |
| 22:44.08 | jonny3010 | chrome does not all add menu item |
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| 22:44.53 | rysiek|pl | ohai |
| 22:45.13 | jonny3010 | weka: try this command |
| 22:45.14 | jonny3010 | xdg-desktop-menu install /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome.desktop |
| 22:45.24 | jonny3010 | might add the menu item for you |
| 22:45.31 | rysiek|pl | I have a sympa 6.1.15 installation, installed from source, on a Debian Wheezy; I see a sympa 6.1.22 in backports, so I decided to install sympa from the repo now |
| 22:45.38 | weka | I just uninsall google chrome via Add/Remove Software... |
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| 22:45.53 | rysiek|pl | I have some archives and a database set up and working with the source-installed sympa |
| 22:45.55 | jonny3010 | best to install chromium |
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| 22:46.00 | rysiek|pl | brought down the sympa/wwsympa daemons |
| 22:46.02 | jonny3010 | do apt-get install chromium |
| 22:46.02 | weka | Ok what the hell |
| 22:46.11 | weka | I just typed google-chrome on my Terminal and it's STILL There |
| 22:46.14 | rysiek|pl | and trying to apt-get install sympa |
| 22:46.17 | weka | It just popped up. |
| 22:46.19 | jonny3010 | lol |
| 22:46.21 | rysiek|pl | that requires dbconfig-common |
| 22:46.24 | heurist_ | dpkg: tell rysiek|pl -about enter |
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| 22:46.36 | rysiek|pl | hah, okay, point taken |
| 22:47.26 | weka | Btw |
| 22:47.34 | weka | That "command" jonny3010 |
| 22:47.35 | weka | It worked |
| 22:47.39 | weka | Thank.. |
| 22:47.45 | jonny3010 | thought it would :D |
| 22:47.48 | jonny3010 | no problem ;d |
| 22:47.56 | rysiek|pl | tl;dr trying to install sympa from repos, sympa package requires dbconfig-common; I don't want dbconfig-common to mess with the pre-existing sympa database, but trying to install sympa ends in "unknown database type" from dbconfig-common package installation, and fails |
| 22:48.09 | weka | installing packages on debian is a pain |
| 22:48.16 | jonny3010 | haha |
| 22:48.19 | jonny3010 | goto mac haha |
| 22:48.38 | jonny3010 | just they dont all work with every desktop enviroment |
| 22:48.59 | jonny3010 | have to d little bit of editing :D |
| 22:49.16 | weka | Installing dropbox failed, too. |
| 22:49.35 | jonny3010 | how you doing it? |
| 22:49.40 | abrotman | jonny3010: Do you need help? |
| 22:49.48 | jonny3010 | I'm helping weka |
| 22:49.52 | weka | <3 |
| 22:50.47 | jonny3010 | weka: did you download the deb from thier site? |
| 22:50.54 | weka | I think so |
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| 22:51.23 | jonny3010 | weka: run the install command again then do "apt-get install -f" |
| 22:51.40 | jonny3010 | weka: that will install any packages it might be asking for |
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| 22:52.17 | weka | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem |
| 22:52.19 | weka | Doing that now..... |
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| 22:52.38 | weka | ahh Dropbox is now downloading... |
| 22:52.43 | jonny3010 | yay |
| 22:52.45 | jonny3010 | :d |
| 22:52.59 | weka | Now it's at Downloading dropbox 100% though.. |
| 22:53.08 | weka | Nothing is happening except a blinking carret |
| 22:53.13 | weka | No wait.. the blinking stopped. |
| 22:53.18 | jonny3010 | weka: :) |
| 22:53.29 | weka | No wait.. it's still blinking but stopped at 100% |
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| 22:54.02 | jonny3010 | weka: just give it a min might be doing shit :D in the backgrund |
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| 22:54.12 | weka | Ok. |
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| 22:54.29 | weka | Thanks |
| 22:55.24 | tremon | rysiek|pl: I don't know sympa, but the general advise is not to try and work around the debian tools. Rely on your backups, or test your modifications in a clone of the system |
| 22:55.58 | rysiek|pl | tremon: I have backups, of course, so no worries there, if something gets borked, I have a way to get back to a wroking sympa |
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| 22:56.29 | weka | jonny3010 ... still 'downloading' at 100% |
| 22:56.34 | tremon | rysiek|pl: fighting the debian tools usually ends in the debian tools winning. If not today, then during the next upgrade, when you forget you worked around it in the first place |
| 22:57.03 | jonny3010 | weka: hmm wierd pastebin the section of terminal please |
| 22:57.12 | weka | how again? |
| 22:57.15 | rysiek|pl | tremon: the question is different: how can I set sympa up without dbconfig? there is a question if "I want dbconfig to handle the database, or not", I answer "no" and yet dbconfig expects valid database credentials |
| 22:57.22 | rysiek|pl | tremon: that's just silly |
| 22:57.25 | jonny3010 | weka:highlight and copy |
| 22:57.52 | jonny3010 | weka: then go to pastebin.com and and paste it and then paste the url in the IRC |
| 22:58.09 | weka | http://paste.debian.net/114725 |
| 22:58.21 | rysiek|pl | tremon: and if I give it valid credentials, I am guessing it will try to set up the database from scratch, which is not such a good idea since I already have a database with ~2y history in it |
| 22:58.31 | rysiek|pl | the db is backed-up, too, but that's beside the point ;) |
| 22:58.38 | tremon | rysiek|pl: that might be a bug in the sympa packaging, where it still runs the dbconfig setup even if answered no. You can try configuring sympa manually and then running dpkg --configure --pending |
| 22:59.20 | tremon | rysiek|pl: you could, of course, give it the credentials of a dummy database and let it do its thing there :) |
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| 22:59.52 | rysiek|pl | tremon: yeah, considering that now, but as you said -- that would be working around debian tools and we know how that will end during the next upgrade... |
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| 23:00.28 | jonny3010 | weka: press enter see if the terminal line appears if not open other terminal and do "dropbox" see if a UI pops up |
| 23:00.56 | weka | pressting ENTER just let me typed whatever without executing anything |
| 23:01.10 | weka | I tried doing dropbox start |
| 23:01.18 | weka | The dropbox daemon is not installed... let's do that now.. |
| 23:01.43 | weka | I instaklled the daemon and we're back to "Downloading Dropbox... XX%" |
| 23:01.45 | weka | Great -_- |
| 23:01.57 | tremon | rysiek|pl: best advice I have for you right now, is to lurk here for a while, maybe another sympa user can help you further, or to contact the developers on the sympa pkg list (pkg-sympa-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org) |
| 23:02.04 | jonny3010 | weka: when you did |
| 23:02.05 | jonny3010 | https://www.dropbox.com/install?os=lnx |
| 23:02.10 | rysiek|pl | tremon: makes sense |
| 23:02.13 | jonny3010 | did you do ubuntu or debian? |
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| 23:02.27 | rysiek|pl | tremon: I guess in the meantime I'll just manually install sympa from source again |
| 23:02.37 | weka | I used ithe command lines |
| 23:02.49 | jonny3010 | don't do that |
| 23:02.50 | jonny3010 | haha |
| 23:03.17 | jonny3010 | download the ight .deb file from the links at the top |
| 23:03.22 | jonny3010 | right click get link then |
| 23:03.27 | jonny3010 | wget (link here) |
| 23:03.34 | tremon | rysiek|pl: if you're comfortable with ugly hacks, you can always chmod -x the sympa.postinst script and have it not run at all. Just make sure to work out a proper fix as soon as possible |
| 23:03.36 | jonny3010 | then |
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| 23:03.38 | jonny3010 | ls |
| 23:03.53 | weka | Oh. |
| 23:03.54 | jonny3010 | then do dpkg -i [filenamehere] |
| 23:04.05 | rysiek|pl | tremon: I think I'll just go with the from-source install |
| 23:04.26 | rysiek|pl | tremon: because an upgrade comes and I'll forget about the postinst script and BAM, fun stuffs! |
| 23:04.31 | weka | Oh my DROPBOX is working |
| 23:04.31 | weka | Neat. |
| 23:04.44 | tremon | yep. Sensible choice :) |
| 23:05.10 | jonny3010 | weka: yay its working haa |
| 23:05.21 | rysiek|pl | will just causally note how good a replacement for dropbox owncloud is, hoping this will just fly below the radar and not cause a huge OT discussion ;) |
| 23:05.28 | jonny3010 | weka: right im off now midnight here haha |
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| 23:06.05 | weka | NO@@@@@@ |
| 23:06.21 | weka | "Natutlus could not create the required folder "/root/.config/natilus" |
| 23:06.37 | weka | I'm done with dropbox. |
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| 23:10.27 | rysiek|pl | weka: just a guess: are you running this as root? |
| 23:11.05 | weka | yes |
| 23:11.17 | rysiek|pl | why? |
| 23:12.22 | weka | dpkg status database is locked by another process |
| 23:12.23 | dpkg | weka: okay |
| 23:13.03 | weka | I tried logging out.. same thing |
| 23:13.35 | weka | http://paste.debian.net/114729 |
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| 23:14.15 | rysiek|pl | well, apparently dpkg is still installing dropbox |
| 23:14.30 | rysiek|pl | maybe it's lingering on some screen somewhere, with a question you need to answer |
| 23:15.02 | rysiek|pl | you can try running `kill 4197 4198` without the ` |
| 23:15.34 | rysiek|pl | and then in the terminal you are at `dpkg --configure -a` |
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| 23:17.05 | weka | OK |
| 23:17.06 | weka | I just did that |
| 23:17.11 | weka | and now Dropbox is installing.. |
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| 23:17.20 | weka | "Downloading Dropbox... 59%" |
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| 23:17.54 | weka | annnnd it hanged at 100% again. |
| 23:18.24 | rysiek|pl | ... |
| 23:19.02 | rysiek|pl | apparently dropbox uses some closed-source binary blob kind of solution that is being downloaded from dropbox.com or wherever |
| 23:19.12 | rysiek|pl | sorry, I won't be able to help here :/ |
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| 23:20.00 | drasko | hi all. How to log into Gnome3 as a root? I have found some instructions here, but this does not seem to work: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Enabling_Root_User_For_GNOME_Display_Manager |
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| 23:21.58 | abrotman | drasko: why would you want to ? |
| 23:22.29 | drasko | to start gparted |
| 23:23.08 | drasko | abrotman, I would like to change size of my /home partition, and when I am logged as a simple user, I can not unmount it to resize it |
| 23:23.36 | drasko | So I thought loging as a root, and then unmounting and resizing .home partition. Would this be possible? |
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| 23:23.57 | abrotman | drasko: login at the terminal ? |
| 23:24.47 | drasko | abrotman, how can I start gparted the? It is a graphical application... Do you suggest logging in the terminal as root, then startx? |
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| 23:25.47 | abrotman | drasko: look at gksudo or sux |
| 23:27.16 | drasko | abrotman, Launching as a root is not enough if I am logged as the user. I have to log out as the user in order to unmount /home. I think. Am I worng? |
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| 23:27.49 | abrotman | drasko: oh, sorry, yes .. |
| 23:28.07 | abrotman | drasko: you could just login at the terminal and use startx perhaps ? |
| 23:28.53 | drasko | yes, I guess I will try this. But it is strange anyway how it is difficult to log into gnome via GDM and root |
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| 23:37.11 | weka | I just downloaded google chrome's deb file... whats next |
| 23:37.29 | abrotman | why can't you use chromium which is already in Debian? |
| 23:38.06 | weka | What's the difference? |
| 23:38.23 | weka | Chromium didn't come installed with my Debian |
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| 23:38.57 | abrotman | then install it |
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| 23:39.47 | weka | I am trying |
| 23:40.05 | weka | everytime I run dpkg --configure -a... my dropbox wants to install but I don't want it to install because it hangs on 100% ... |
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| 23:41.35 | abrotman | show us |
| 23:41.38 | abrotman | or remove it |
| 23:42.27 | weka | show what? |
| 23:43.37 | jelly-home | this 3rd party package hangs in postinst |
| 23:43.41 | jelly-home | s/this/his/ |
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| 23:45.21 | weka | http://paste.debian.net/114733 |
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| 23:51.03 | themill | weka: btw «rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock» never do that. It's not doing what you think it's doing. |
| 23:51.25 | weka | Understood. |
| 23:51.36 | weka | I just want to remov dropbox from my "package" beucause it won't install anyway |
| 23:51.44 | weka | and install chromium.. |
| 23:53.21 | weka | What do you suggest I do themill? |
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| 23:53.37 | abrotman | so remove the broken package |
| 23:53.41 | themill | weka: dpkg -r nautilus-dropbox |
| 23:54.24 | weka | I got: "dpkg: dpkg status database is locked by another process." |
| 23:55.38 | weka | themill, I got an error :\ |
| 23:56.21 | themill | that's pretty self-explanatory, isn't it? |
| 23:57.35 | weka | Wel I tried sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 23:57.56 | weka | Then I got an error. |
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| 23:58.17 | weka | http://paste.debian.net/114734 themill here's the error |
| 23:58.58 | themill | weka: btw «rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock» never do that. It's not doing what you think it's doing. |
| 23:59.33 | weka | Well what exactly do I do then |
| 23:59.37 | weka | because many websites do that |