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| 00:34.33 | joshh20 | Whats the best way to flush DNS cache? |
| 00:35.23 | petn-randall | joshh20: Call you DNS service provider. |
| 00:35.29 | petn-randall | s/you/your/ |
| 00:35.37 | joshh20 | Ok, well with a command I mean |
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| 00:37.37 | squisher | afaik there's only one if you install it or your application caches (like browsers) |
| 00:37.43 | aypea[0] | josh: you need to be in control of the dns resolver and then it depends on what you're using. |
| 00:37.55 | petn-randall | joshh20: Are you running your own DNS resolver? |
| 00:38.20 | joshh20 | Oh I didn't know that, no I am using another DNS, I am not running my own |
| 00:38.56 | aypea[0] | if you're not running your own then you're sol unless a specific app is doing its own caching. |
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| 00:44.50 | sparky4 | Damn nvidia driver in debian testing |
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| 00:45.13 | somiaj | sparky4: have you tried to install the one from sid? |
| 00:45.25 | sparky4 | yes |
| 00:45.55 | somiaj | What is the issue (They installed just fine here (though I haven't updated in a few weeks) |
| 00:46.36 | sparky4 | http://paste.debian.net/114989/ |
| 00:47.04 | sparky4 | somiaj: i just updated it and bamn X will not start again |
| 00:47.16 | sparky4 | http://paste.debian.net/114989/ somiaj |
| 00:47.32 | somiaj | ,v xserver-xorg |
| 00:47.33 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg on i386 -- squeeze: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:7.7+3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:7.7+7; sid: 1:7.7+7 |
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| 00:48.06 | somiaj | ,v xserver-xorg-core |
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| 00:49.04 | somiaj | sparky4: are you mixing debian releases, your xorg seems to be way out of date if it only supports ABI version 18.0 |
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| 00:49.26 | sparky4 | somiaj: i sort of am mixing sid with jessie |
| 00:49.33 | somiaj | sparky4: can I see the output of 'apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-cor && apt-cache policy' |
| 00:49.38 | sparky4 | sure |
| 00:49.55 | somiaj | I think the issue is somethign else, it appears both jessie and sid have the same xserver-xorg-core package which I would assume is the xserver |
| 00:50.34 | sparky4 | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/114990/ |
| 00:51.48 | somiaj | opps, I had a typo, now get the output of 'apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core' |
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| 00:52.00 | sparky4 | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/114991/ |
| 00:52.07 | sparky4 | somiaj: i saw |
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| 00:53.53 | sparky4 | somiaj: what can be the problem? |
| 00:54.45 | somiaj | well I'm trying to figure out why your xserver isn't built with the correct ABI. The version looks correct, but it isn't built with abi 21 which is what is needed. |
| 00:54.59 | somiaj | I also notice some strange third party stable sources, not sure if those could be causing issues |
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| 00:55.25 | somiaj | I am trying to figure out what pacakge controls the xorg abi setting |
| 00:56.13 | sparky4 | somiaj: i see i saw that the abi version is 21 but it needs to be greater than 21 |
| 00:56.52 | somiaj | sparky4: okay, one last thing, 'apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-dkms' |
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| 00:57.16 | sparky4 | ok |
| 00:57.48 | sparky4 | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/114992/ |
| 00:58.09 | somiaj | I just double checked. I'm running a xserver with video abi 18.0 (but imput abi 19.0) just like you. So wonder if there is a newer update with the nvidia drivers causing yet more strife (though I do not see a bugreport for this yet) |
| 00:58.58 | somiaj | sparky4: okay, the nvidia versions are the same. how did you install the nvidia drivers, I notice you do not have the dkms package installed. |
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| 00:59.19 | sparky4 | somiaj: using the debian packages of course |
| 00:59.29 | sparky4 | somiaj: this maya ctually be a bug |
| 00:59.36 | sparky4 | i would not be suprised |
| 01:00.08 | somiaj | sparky4: which debian packages, because the don't have the standard one to build the module installed. |
| 01:00.15 | somiaj | sparky4: outout of 'dpkg -l | grep nvidia' |
| 01:00.54 | sparky4 | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/114993/ |
| 01:01.19 | somiaj | you have a strange version of the nvidia module, you ahve version 304.123 according to your logs, but you need to be running version 340.24 |
| 01:01.48 | somiaj | sparky4: okay I think I found your problem, what video card do you have? |
| 01:02.18 | somiaj | it seems that your video card is not supported by the newer nvidia drivers, which also means that you cannot run the older nvidia drivers on the jessie version of xorg |
| 01:02.39 | sparky4 | somiaj: nvidia GeFORCE FX 7200 |
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| 01:02.56 | somiaj | This is a known problem (I don't think it is bug as I doubt nvidia will make their legacy drivers supprt the newer xorg abi) |
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| 01:03.34 | somiaj | I did hear that nvidia was helping with nouveau to give better support for legacy cards, but as of now (and probabaly for a while) you won't be able to run the legacy nvidia drivers on jessie/sid |
| 01:03.41 | somiaj | you will have to use nouveau |
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| 01:05.29 | sparky4 | somiaj: ;_; |
| 01:05.34 | Territoriojoven | how do I fix "failed to get size of gamma for output default" ? |
| 01:05.34 | Territoriojoven | http://pastebin.com/2sp3UGQX |
| 01:05.42 | sparky4 | somiaj: ok |
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| 01:08.38 | somiaj | sparky4: I am not able to find a bug report (maybe it was closed due to it isn't a debian bug but upstream with the non-free nvidia drivers). |
| 01:09.20 | somiaj | sparky4: you could file one if you want to see if there will be any planed method to get the legacy drivers working with the current xorg. File a bug as nvidia legacy drivers incomadable with xorg video abi. |
| 01:09.49 | onitaL | Territoriojoven, http://askubuntu.com/questions/441040/failed-to-get-size-of-gamma-for-output-default-when-trying-to-add-new-screen-res |
| 01:11.10 | Territoriojoven | onital: same thing |
| 01:11.40 | sparky4 | somiaj: can we file a bug? |
| 01:11.45 | onitaL | hm, and you run it as user, and not as root, right? |
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| 01:12.35 | Territoriojoven | yes |
| 01:13.07 | somiaj | sparky4: anyone can file a bug, and there is a package reportbug to help you file it |
| 01:13.30 | somiaj | sparky4: again I belive this is a known issue with the fact that the older non-free drivers don't (and won't) be able to support the new xorg ABI |
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| 01:13.57 | somiaj | sparky4: I belive I heard something about nvidia helping get these older cards better supported with nouveau and the legacy drivers may no longer be needed (or work) |
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| 01:14.08 | sparky4 | somiaj: is there a work around? |
| 01:14.21 | Territoriojoven | http://i.imgur.com/pjRXsyn.png |
| 01:14.26 | Territoriojoven | onital: ^ |
| 01:14.29 | somiaj | use nouveau and you can use xorg, your 3d support my not be as good is the only drawback |
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| 01:15.33 | onitaL | Territoriojoven, I'm just getting here: I'd restart X and try again |
| 01:16.03 | Territoriojoven | even if I kill X it automatically opens it again so I can't even configure it |
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| 01:17.03 | somiaj | Territoriojoven: kill the display manager or /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop (or what ever display manager you use) that way it won't automatically restart X for you |
| 01:17.06 | onitaL | and you don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf, right? |
| 01:17.12 | Territoriojoven | no |
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| 01:33.43 | ra4king | hello! |
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| 01:34.03 | ra4king | I want to use Java 8, and want to completely remove OpenJDK 6 and 7 that are already installed |
| 01:34.14 | ra4king | uninstalling them won't work as LibreOffice has them as dependencies |
| 01:34.25 | ra4king | How do I go about installing Java 8? |
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| 01:36.40 | somiaj | ra4king: look at java-package |
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| 01:37.19 | ra4king | somiaj: what do I look at exactly? |
| 01:37.23 | somiaj | ra4king: you could also try the package equivs (tell it you have java installed locally but puts a package so other thigns can depend on it) |
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| 01:37.45 | ra4king | yeah I have the jdk 8 folder in my /usr/lib/jvm/ folder |
| 01:37.46 | somiaj | java-package should make the java8 from orcale into a custom deb so other packages can depend on it |
| 01:37.47 | ra4king | how can I do that? |
| 01:38.04 | somiaj | you should not put local stuff in there (unless you made a .deb for it) |
| 01:38.10 | somiaj | /usr/local is better for local installed stuff |
| 01:38.20 | ra4king | thanks |
| 01:38.36 | dvs | so passe.... /opt is the new /usr/local ;-) |
| 01:38.55 | ra4king | what is /opt/ exactly? |
| 01:39.28 | dvs | ra4king: It's suppose to be the new place to put locally installed software. |
| 01:39.36 | somiaj | I think there is a slight difference, /opt is usually full programs per dir, while /usr/local/ has the standard places bin, lib, share that are already set up in paths, linkers, etc |
| 01:40.15 | ra4king | so if I were to put the jdk8 folder into /opt/, do I modify the symlinks 'java' and 'javac' to point to the /opt/jdk8/bin/java and javac counterparts? |
| 01:40.26 | ra4king | those symlinks are in my /usr/bin folder |
| 01:40.27 | somiaj | yea lots of things think /otp is where you sould put stuff, so /opt/java-8-jre for example |
| 01:40.38 | somiaj | correct |
| 01:40.42 | ra4king | thanks |
| 01:40.44 | somiaj | or use the alternative system |
| 01:40.47 | ra4king | how do I modify a symlink? |
| 01:40.57 | ra4king | what's the alternative system? |
| 01:42.09 | somiaj | man update-alterntaives |
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| 01:42.33 | somiaj | on debian systems sometimes java -> /etc/alternatives/java -> actual java, then instead of packages changing the link, they set up an alternative and then set it as default |
| 01:42.46 | somiaj | it isn't needed but may work nicer with other packages |
| 01:42.51 | nachos | Anyone got nvidia and a framebuffer driver working nicely on uefi? |
| 01:43.02 | ra4king | yup I looked at the symlink of /usr/bin/java and it pointed to that alternatives folder's java |
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| 01:43.29 | somiaj | use the command update-alternatives to add/modify/change those links |
| 01:45.14 | themill | (update-java-alternatives_ |
| 01:45.18 | somiaj | ra4king: and the reason to put java in /usr/local or /opt is because offical debian packages will not install files there, so there is no chance of things getting change/overwritten etc |
| 01:45.43 | ra4king | somiaj: thanks, and getting an error with update-alternatives, not registered, not setting |
| 01:46.03 | jmcnaught | ra4king: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/index.en.html this manual is probably worth a look too |
| 01:46.07 | somiaj | ra4king: notice themill comment, seems there is a special java alternative system. |
| 01:46.17 | ra4king | oh jeez |
| 01:46.24 | ra4king | why things have to be so complicated |
| 01:46.42 | somiaj | because you want to set up a new java as your systems default |
| 01:46.59 | jmcnaught | because great pains have been taken to make using java 6 and 7 as simple as possible |
| 01:47.00 | somiaj | (that isn't automated since you didn't install it from a debian package) |
| 01:47.12 | ra4king | ah you're right |
| 01:47.19 | ra4king | why can't OpenJDK 8 just be provided in the repos then? |
| 01:47.51 | somiaj | ,v openjdk-8-jre |
| 01:47.53 | judd | Package: openjdk-8-jre on i386 -- experimental: 8u20~b26-1 |
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| 01:47.57 | Territoriojoven | sigh |
| 01:48.00 | Territoriojoven | i give up on that |
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| 01:48.09 | Territoriojoven | how do I force the resolution from boot? |
| 01:48.11 | ra4king | huh, why is it experimental? |
| 01:48.26 | somiaj | ra4king: its not ready yet, looks like it may be a bit for it to finally get put into sid, then fall into jessie (at that time it might be backported to wheezy) but this could be a while. |
| 01:48.36 | somiaj | there is probabaly great pains being made to ensure it plays nicely with both 6 and 7 |
| 01:48.45 | ra4king | it's not ready? it's been out for almost half a year, and we're already on Update 11 |
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| 01:49.18 | somiaj | ra4king: as in the debian developer has not gotten it to a point he thinks it is ready for debian. |
| 01:49.44 | somiaj | since he is only a volenteer this sometimes takes a while with something that requires a lot of work to integrate such as java (hence you are doing the work yourself) |
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| 01:50.42 | somiaj | but the matainer put it in experiemntial due to there is probably some more things that need to be worked out to intgrate it nicely with debian. |
| 01:51.13 | somiaj | Territoriojoven: you can set the default resolution in your xorg.conf file |
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| 01:51.37 | somiaj | Territoriojoven: it has been a while since I have done this, and usually isn't needed. It can be done but looking upt he syntax will take a bit |
| 01:55.39 | ra4king | well I'm out of time for this for now |
| 01:55.44 | ra4king | an exercise for another time |
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| 01:55.46 | ra4king | thanks for the help somiaj |
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| 01:56.02 | ra4king | and this is a great channel to add to my idle list |
| 01:56.04 | ra4king | :D |
| 01:56.47 | dvs | well, maybe not the idle list |
| 01:56.47 | onitaL | lol, indeed |
| 01:56.54 | dvs | idol maybe... ;-) |
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| 02:28.55 | sparky4 | somiaj: i fixed it myself |
| 02:29.35 | sparky4 | somiaj: http://www.nvidia.com/content/DriverDownload-March2009/confirmation.php?url=/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.123/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-304.123.run&lang=us&type=GeForce i got this |
| 02:29.38 | sparky4 | and installed it |
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| 02:52.06 | dotDeb | anyone know how to get minitube into wheezy? |
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| 02:52.22 | dvs | ,v minitube |
| 02:52.23 | judd | Package: minitube on i386 -- jessie: 2.1.6-1; sid: 2.1.6-1 |
| 02:52.36 | dotDeb | dvs it's not in wheezy-backports |
| 02:52.49 | dotDeb | dvs there's a libc6 dependency issue |
| 02:53.03 | dotDeb | minitube requires >=2.14 and wheezy has 2.13 |
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| 02:58.12 | sandman13 | I am planning to get an external wifi adapter (TP-Link) for my laptop. Does Debian support it? I have checked the wiki, there is no entry for that. |
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| 02:59.30 | dvs | sandman13: I'm sure TP-Link makes lots of external Wifi adapters |
| 02:59.46 | sandman13 | dvs: does Debian support it? |
| 03:00.06 | dvs | sandman13: Which one? |
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| 03:00.58 | dvs | Then there's no way we can tell. |
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| 03:40.09 | vimel | !ask |
| 03:40.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:42.52 | multi_io | could it be the case than on long-running systems with anacron installed, no cron jobs are run, ever? |
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| 03:43.18 | multi_io | it looks to me as if this has been the case for a while on my system... |
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| 03:44.04 | multi_io | anacron is only run at boot time apparently, so if the machine is rarely/never rebooted, it's never run |
| 03:44.50 | multi_io | and the cron (crontab) entries all check for the presence of /usr/sbin/anacron -- and don't do anything if it is present |
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| 04:00.01 | twirlobite | hi guys. i installed virtualenvwrapper (for managing Python installations) on my Debian Wheezy computer using "sudo pip install virtualenvwrapper" -- however, i can't locate the "virtualenvwrapper.sh" file that should have been created by running the installation (i reran updatedb, and then tried to locate again -- I also tried to just use Nautilus to run a search on the file system) |
| 04:00.09 | twirlobite | what might the issue be? |
| 04:01.40 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: i'm not sure where the pypi package puts that file, but there is a "virtualenvwrapper" package available in wheezy that just works |
| 04:02.23 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: oh, that just works without anything else having to be done? |
| 04:02.49 | twirlobite | right..that is the one i seem to have downloaded |
| 04:02.55 | twirlobite | python-virtualenvwrapper |
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| 04:03.00 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: you just have to install it and start a fresh terminal so it gets sourced by bash |
| 04:03.32 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: "sudo pip install virtualenvwrapper" == "sudo apt-get install python-virtualenvwrapper"? |
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| 04:05.02 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: no, those are two different package systems. Debian's (with apt-get) has packages maintained by Debian Developers and Maintainers. Packages from PyPI (with pip) are simply uploaded by the author and not nearly as much verification and integration happens |
| 04:05.25 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: http://notes.pault.ag/debian-python/ this is a good article about the differences |
| 04:05.39 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: thank you! so where does the "pip" install live? |
| 04:06.38 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: the best thing to do is always look for and try to use the Debian packages, even for python-virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper. Like I said I'm not really sure where pip would put it if you installed it globally with sudo like that |
| 04:08.06 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: "pip show <package name>" should show you where it's been installed |
| 04:08.17 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: thanks very much, i will do that :) -- i was just curiuos! ah, that answers it |
| 04:08.30 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: i think i am doing a very bad job of keeping my system organized :/ |
| 04:08.46 | twirlobite | at the moment, i don't realize it, but i am afraid that its going to come back to bite me in the rear |
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| 04:09.36 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: every bit that you stray from the packages available for a Debian Stable release is a little bit more work that you commit your future self to |
| 04:10.49 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: hmm. is there a "reset" button that leaves "home" as is, but returns everything else to the default state? |
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| 04:11.12 | ARJARB | hey guys |
| 04:11.23 | ARJARB | i am trying to install debian on my new Dell laptop |
| 04:11.39 | ARJARB | i am installing from the 7.4 disk |
| 04:11.48 | ARJARB | i know this is an old CD |
| 04:12.01 | ARJARB | how can i upgrade once i have installed from the old media? |
| 04:12.05 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: the closest thing to that is backing up /home and reinstalling. But it depends on how bad things are, a lot of problems can be fixed (but usually not a FrankenDebian of Wheezy and Jessie or sid |
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| 04:13.29 | jmcnaught | ARJARB: the same way you do updates on a regular basis, "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". If you use a network mirror during the installation it will install updates for you |
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| 04:13.58 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian this is another article you might like to read :) |
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| 04:23.16 | ARJARB | so i am installing debian on my laptop |
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| 04:23.28 | ARJARB | and the installer says the NIC driver was not found on the installer |
| 04:23.45 | ARJARB | so it asks for the driver on a USB drive |
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| 04:23.57 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: thanks for that article, giving it a read through right now. is using wheezy-backports as good as straying from wheezy stable? |
| 04:23.59 | ARJARB | i am assuming the driver will be a .ko kernel module |
| 04:24.09 | ARJARB | how can intel distribute just a KO? |
| 04:24.22 | ARJARB | arent KO files dependent on the kernel version thats running |
| 04:24.23 | ARJARB | ? |
| 04:25.33 | jmcnaught | ARJARB: is it asking for the firmware? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en this part of the install guide covers that. if you have a second USB stick you can copy them to that and the installer will look for them, otherwise you can put them on the installer USB stick, or use the unofficial firmware netinst iso which includes them |
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| 04:26.16 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: using packages from backports is okay, but try to limit the number you need because they don't get as much testing as the packages in stable |
| 04:26.30 | ARJARB | jmcnaught: i got the driver off the intel site |
| 04:26.48 | jmcnaught | !backport caveat |
| 04:26.48 | dpkg | Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to be patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered. |
| 04:26.59 | ARJARB | but im saying how can intel release 1 KO file and have it work across kernel versions? |
| 04:27.14 | ARJARB | i thought ko files are very kernel version dependent... |
| 04:28.20 | jmcnaught | ARJARB: installing a driver from the Intel website is probably not the right thing to do. What is the pciid of the NIC? "lspci -nn | grep Network" should show it, it will look like [abcd:1234] |
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| 04:29.44 | jmcnaught | ARJARB: Alt-F2 should bring you to another tty where you can use that command. With the pciid we can check if the kernel has the driver already or see what else needs to be done |
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| 04:30.16 | fishcooker | i have install x11vnc + openbox + slim.. but still i i can't x11vnc there is message "XOpenDisplay failed. No -display or DISPLAY." what should i install? |
| 04:31.15 | ARJARB | wireless: 8086:422b NIC: 8086:153a |
| 04:31.36 | jmcnaught | judd: pciid 8086:153a |
| 04:31.37 | judd | [8086:153a] is 'Ethernet Connection I217-LM' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'e1000e', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:153a |
| 04:31.45 | jmcnaught | judd: pciid 8086:422b |
| 04:31.46 | judd | [8086:422b] is 'Centrino Ultimate-N 6300' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:422b http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 04:31.47 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: i have probably said thank you a bunch of times, but thank you again - i am actually genuinely grateful (as I am a complete newbie) - that article that you linked me to is a gold mine |
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| 04:32.57 | jmcnaught | ARJARB: you don't need a driver from the install site for those cards. for the wireless you will need firmware-iwlwifi, which is in the non-free section. It's on the firmware netinst image, or you can use the instructions I linked to above for how to put them on a USB stick |
| 04:33.25 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: cool, the python packaging one? |
| 04:33.56 | jmcnaught | ARJARB: i mean "intel site" not "install site" :) |
| 04:34.06 | ARJARB | ok ill try that |
| 04:34.08 | ARJARB | thanks |
| 04:34.40 | Sapote | Hi people, have a server that run wheezy with kernel 3.2.0-4 amd64 and get lot of NMI, sometimes hang the machine. Wich other stable kernel have after 3.2.0-4? |
| 04:34.43 | ARJARB | using 1 .ko file across kernel versions? |
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| 04:37.25 | jmcnaught | ARJARB: I'm not sure what you mean, but the Wheezy kernel has a driver for each of your network interfaces. Only the extra firmware package is needed for your wifi. Firmware is different from kernel modules, it's code that's loaded directly onto the device itself (your wifi adapter for example) |
| 04:37.48 | heurist | Sapote: nmi is a hardware problem, the kernel can not fix this for you and you should look at testing your hardware. if possible try to reseat pci cards and memory. |
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| 04:41.07 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: no, the how to not break debian one :p |
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| 04:42.50 | Sapote | ok, many thanks heurist. I try to deep test to all hardware |
| 04:42.58 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: i went off track and started reading the "WhyDebian" article, and a thought came to my mind: I don't even know how to begin understanding how Debian is laid out in a big picture sense, let alone start contributing to Debian -- these are things that the author mentioned were a particular delight for him (he was involved in "laying down" Debian, so it fits his mind's view of how things should be) -- i suppose i am just a passive |
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| 04:44.05 | mikey | debs, whatup? |
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| 04:45.36 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: besides helping people on IRC I still don't participate much either. I want to get more involved with the wiki and the debian-www team. There's a bunch of information about the various ways to get involved on the Debian website and wiki if you're feeling motivated :) |
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| 05:41.29 | william- | hi |
| 05:42.00 | william- | someone is french ? |
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| 05:42.54 | jogn | Hi, I need to migrate apache from debian to centos and idk how.. In Centos, the apache config is just /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf |
| 05:42.54 | jogn | I read that I need to combine all of the apache directives from the debian files in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf (main config), and /etc/apache2/ports.conf (listeners), and also the directories /etc/apache2/conf.d/ and /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
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| 05:46.28 | heurist | jogn: you pretty much need to combine all of them, but I would suggest doing it by hand since there will be some debian specific stuff in the ones you have and you will need some centos specific stuff on the new ones. |
| 05:46.32 | sandman13 | does Debian support TP-LINK external Wi-Fi adapter (Model no. TL-WN7200ND)? |
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| 05:47.48 | heurist | jogn: it might be best to look though the current configs and pull out the bits that are not default, then add them to the configs in the new system. |
| 05:48.27 | heurist | dpkg: tell jogn -about guidelines |
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| 05:48.41 | heurist | jogn: keep it in the channel please. |
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| 05:50.44 | jogn | what about the directories |
| 05:51.13 | heurist | jogn: directories? |
| 05:51.28 | jogn | there are a bunch of .load files within mods-enabled for instance on my debian apache server - how do i translate multiple files within a directory into the httpd.conf for centos |
| 05:51.41 | jogn | I can paste the directory contents |
| 05:51.43 | jogn | if you like |
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| 05:52.06 | heurist | jogn: you need to understand the contents of the files in the directories and add the correct ones to your new setup. |
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| 05:52.54 | jogn | cat /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/suphp.load |
| 05:52.54 | jogn | LoadModule suphp_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_suphp.so |
| 05:52.55 | jogn | for example |
| 05:53.08 | heurist | jogn: you can not just copy directives from one distro to another. look at that you changed on the debian installation and make those same changes (as needed) to the centos one. |
| 05:53.17 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: i am trying to build scipy, because i am forced to, within a virtualenv -- i sorted some issues with missing lapack/blas packages, but now i have an issue that i can't decipher http://bpaste.net/show/zmywm4lpORH48tRLXncA/ |
| 05:53.25 | jogn | I do understand what that is, it's a directive telling to load an Apache module.. |
| 05:53.26 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: any idea what i might do to get past this? |
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| 05:53.42 | jogn | I know apache and I know centos.. |
| 05:53.44 | jogn | I just dont know debian |
| 05:53.53 | heurist | jogn: then if you need that, configure it on the new system. |
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| 05:55.03 | heurist | jogn: if you know apache you know what you need to enable and how, you can not copy the files as is. |
| 05:55.06 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: seems that i need gfortran, another package? |
| 05:55.49 | themill | !apache config |
| 05:55.49 | dpkg | Debian's apache2 web server is configured through /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and /etc/apache2/envvars. All pieces of configuration need a ".conf" suffix starting with Apache 2.4. Use a2en{mod,conf,site} to include site-specific configuration from /etc/apache2/{sites,mods,conf}-available. See /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian or http://deb.li/3jUSV for a full documentation of the Debian configuration style. |
| 05:55.52 | jelly-home | jogn: read /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz for a start |
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| 05:56.42 | jogn | wow |
| 05:56.43 | jogn | useless |
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| 05:56.45 | themill | jogn: if you take a little time to understand what it's doing, the modular config is much simpler to use than one enormous file -- it's simpler to set up, simpler to find things in it and simpler to maintain |
| 05:56.51 | heurist | jogn: you can extract the default config files from the apache2.2-common package and diff them with what you have now to see what is changed |
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| 07:05.13 | tdn | I experience very slow eSATA performance. Around 5 mb/s on a disk that easily handles 150-200 mb/s. Do I need to enable some setting or module in order to speed it up? The disk is a 4 TB Lacie disk and the computer is an HP MicroServer. Kernel is 3.2.0-4-amd64. |
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| 07:07.32 | tugrik | tdn: I presume it's a "proper" external disk? I've had 21MB/s from an external caddy before.... |
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| 07:09.29 | tdn | tugrik, this is a proper external disk. Not an enclosure or something like that. I have seen much higher speeds on this using USB3 on my laptop. |
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| 07:10.33 | tugrik | yeah, that's definitely less than it should be there... I can only suggest double checking all the physical stuff, that cables are inserted correctly and so on |
| 07:11.14 | tugrik | which I suspect you might have though of already, rather than "echo no > /proc/sys/net/disks/esata/suck" |
| 07:12.17 | tremon | tdn: any errors logged in dmesg? |
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| 07:53.43 | junka | does "cron" do anything by itself? i mean automatically or do i need to specify? |
| 07:54.00 | Jesperhead | hey all apologies but #beagle seems a little quiet. Im running a beagle bone black with a debian distro (4-24 i believe). I hooked it up to a lapdock for power and display/keyboard/trackpad/usbhub/etc. The display doesnt have a power button but instead turns on when it detects an hdmi signal. The BBB is successfully powered on and I can ssh into it, but I cannot get any kind of activity out... |
| 07:54.02 | Jesperhead | ...of the display. Googling indicates people having similar issues when trying to configure xorg for this project, but I am simply looking for console output in natural CLI environment. |
| 07:55.38 | smartass | junka: use the crontab command to specify what the cron daemon should do ... as long as the cron daemon is running, it will do whatever the crontab instructs it to do |
| 07:56.25 | peetaur2 | junka: by default, lots of stuff is in /etc/cron.{d,daily,hourly, etc ... } |
| 07:57.06 | junka | smartass, peetaur2 thanks |
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| 07:58.00 | Jesperhead | the xorg issues seemed to be related to the unique (and demanded) resolution of 1366 x 768. how is console display handled and decided? |
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| 07:59.48 | Jesperhead | edid? |
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| 08:05.31 | jelly-home | Jesperhead: this is VERY platform specific, and arm boards have wildly different solutions that may involve edid if you're lucky, or hardcoded resolutions if you're not |
| 08:05.38 | Jesperhead | parse-edid: IO error reading EDID |
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| 08:05.42 | jelly-home | s/resolutions/modes/ |
| 08:06.01 | Jesperhead | yeah i know |
| 08:06.16 | jelly-home | I'd say be patient until someone in your plaform channel awakes |
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| 08:07.28 | jelly-home | if it were an allwinner soc based board you'd have an option of reading their wiki and asking #linux-sunxi |
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| 08:08.02 | Jesperhead | ok. do you know if CLI determines how to display based off of edid? |
| 08:09.10 | jelly-home | that would be dependent on the framebuffer console driver, which, again, platform specific |
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| 08:09.22 | Jesperhead | fbturbo yeah |
| 08:10.10 | jelly-home | oh, it's worse than that, then. fbturbo just uses a fb that something else has to initialize in advance |
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| 08:11.13 | jelly-home | (judging from its usage on sunxi and r.pi as well) |
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| 08:11.40 | jelly-home | in any case, it's not really a debian issue but the drivers' |
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| 08:33.09 | tdn | trench, no errors in dmesg |
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| 08:33.29 | tdn | tugrik, I checked cables. |
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| 08:39.33 | tdn | I have several debian servers. On most of them, dmesg produces messaged that are prefixed with a timestamp like this "[36665.604041]". But on one of the servers (from OVH.com), it does not prefix dmesg log lines with this timestamp. Where do I enable this feature? |
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| 08:47.38 | tdn | echo 1 > /sys/module/printk/parameters/time, appearently :) |
| 08:49.44 | jelly | !win tdn |
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| 09:01.33 | meek_geek | debian sucks |
| 09:02.19 | meek_geek | but only until you are highly oblivious of Command Line |
| 09:02.23 | meek_geek | :] |
| 09:02.28 | meek_geek | As of know it rocks! |
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| 09:16.19 | L0aD1nG | Hello all! |
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| 09:48.01 | Ainm | I've been having some issues using Ubuntu but I think the same problem exists in Debian. I have posted a bug on the Launchpad <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1355182> |
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| 09:48.39 | Ainm | I've just setup a Debian instance in Virtual box and the same issue appears |
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| 09:49.25 | SynrGy | Ainm: that's a valid test. care to file a bug to the bts using reportbug from the debian instance and xref back to the launchpad bug#? |
| 09:49.32 | SynrGy | Ainm: reporting it here won't get any action |
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| 09:50.40 | SynrGy | hmm. except what package is that against? |
| 09:50.50 | Ainm | Will do. The problem is that it only occurs when I am debugging a very large project. I haven't yet managed to create a short self contained example. |
| 09:51.00 | SynrGy | until it's filed on a specific package, i doubt if it will get action ... for either distro |
| 09:51.08 | SynrGy | does the VM have adequate resources? |
| 09:51.16 | SynrGy | did the Ubuntu test occur within a VM? |
| 09:51.17 | Ainm | The project is closed source |
| 09:51.34 | Ainm | No |
| 09:51.52 | Ainm | I am running Ubuntu on a Lenovo Thinkpad and a Mac Pro |
| 09:51.53 | SynrGy | so the original failure was on a system with adequate ram? |
| 09:51.59 | Ainm | Both behaved similarly |
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| 09:52.23 | Ainm | Yes plenty of RAM. Oddly it only occurs in debug mode. |
| 09:52.24 | SynrGy | is this using debian's eclipse package or upstream's? |
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| 09:52.44 | Ainm | I've tried a few. I upgraded to the latest and it still happens |
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| 09:54.00 | SynrGy | Ainm: well, it's important to get action in Ubuntu (and also Debian) as hinted by the automated reply, to reassign the bug to a package so it can get looked at |
| 09:54.32 | SynrGy | it appears it belongs to eclipse. but you need to be sure you confirm its presence in the eclipse version that belongs to the release you tested it on |
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| 09:54.52 | SynrGy | then you can add to the bug any other versions you tested against as well. |
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| 09:55.18 | SynrGy | unfortunately, without a reproducible failing case, it's going to be hard for the developers to do anything about |
| 09:55.30 | SynrGy | sounds like it's probably an upstream issue. did you check upstream's bug tracker? |
| 09:55.46 | Ainm | No |
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| 09:55.53 | SynrGy | you probably should. |
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| 09:56.35 | SynrGy | or else provide source for a reproducible failing case. maybe something that could be extracted from your failing proprietary code without "giving away the goods"? |
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| 09:57.12 | SynrGy | cuz i can't see the ubuntu or the debian maintainers being excited about solving this, otherwise. |
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| 09:58.07 | Ainm | Yes, I'll have a look at creating a reproducible failing case. |
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| 09:58.21 | sammi` | why did spotify switch from debian to ubuntu? |
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| 09:58.58 | heurist | sammi`: for lts I think, but debian now going the lts route as well. |
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| 10:01.17 | SynrGy | although debian's is a "best effort", and new effort at that, so time will tell how well this works out |
| 10:01.52 | sammi` | ok.. |
| 10:02.01 | SynrGy | over time, i think a lot of squeeze stuff will just have to be removed from the archive if it can't be maintained in any reasonable fashion |
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| 10:03.21 | SynrGy | mind you, most of that would probably be desktop stuff |
| 10:03.21 | L0aD1nG | Hey anyone knows any good video player except VLC as vlc makes me some idiot things with volume |
| 10:03.23 | L0aD1nG | ?? |
| 10:03.32 | formorer | mpv |
| 10:03.44 | heurist | L0aD1nG: mplayer |
| 10:04.31 | L0aD1nG | Its okay with subtitles? |
| 10:04.33 | SynrGy | mplayer2 |
| 10:04.36 | SynrGy | smplayer |
| 10:04.50 | SynrGy | (the latter is a gui, and depends on the former) |
| 10:05.03 | SynrGy | yes |
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| 10:08.10 | bdog7 | I wish there was just one debian irc channel |
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| 10:09.15 | peetaur2 | L0aD1nG: for dvds, kaffeine, and for the rest, mplayer |
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| 10:09.40 | peetaur2 | or smplayer for the GUI version |
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| 10:17.23 | L0aD1nG | peetaur2: what do you mean dvd? |
| 10:17.31 | L0aD1nG | peetaur2: like mp4 files? |
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| 10:18.59 | peetaur2 | L0aD1nG: dvds with clickable menus and stuff |
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| 10:21.40 | L0aD1nG | peetaur2: kk I installed smplayer it seems nice and did easy with the greek subtitles |
| 10:21.53 | L0aD1nG | peetaur2: that vlc bugs a lot at last even though I like it |
| 10:22.26 | L0aD1nG | also brought Clementine for music player and I am okay now |
| 10:23.07 | L0aD1nG | smplayer can play music too right? |
| 10:23.26 | L0aD1nG | can I uninstall the default mplayer or that will cause a problem to smplay |
| 10:23.30 | L0aD1nG | smplayer** |
| 10:24.07 | SynrGy | smplayer depends on mplayer2, not mplayer. so yes, you can remove mplayer |
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| 10:24.30 | SynrGy | yes, it handles any media type mplayer2 does. that includes just audio |
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| 10:25.01 | SynrGy | i keep both smplayer and vlc and alternate, depending on issues one has that the other doesn't :) |
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| 10:25.19 | SynrGy | i've never found a single player that is entirely trouble-free :p |
| 10:25.28 | jelly | dpkg: who owns you |
| 10:25.28 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 10:25.38 | L0aD1nG | smplayer is fine for movies I think and videos etc |
| 10:25.44 | L0aD1nG | seems to have no problem |
| 10:26.18 | SynrGy | dpkg: who's your daddy? |
| 10:26.18 | dpkg | you are my daddy, synrgy |
| 10:26.28 | peetaur2 | yep, only problem smplayer seems to have is with the mouse point and click dvd menus |
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| 10:26.33 | L0aD1nG | hahaha |
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| 10:27.21 | SynrGy | peetaur2: mind you, in jessie this doesn't seem to be an issue ... dunno what it's like right now in wheezy. haven't tried it in a long time. |
| 10:27.25 | SynrGy | ,v smplayer |
| 10:27.29 | judd | Package: smplayer on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.9-1; wheezy: 0.8.0-1+deb7u1; jessie: 14.3.0-1; sid: 14.3.0-1 |
| 10:27.33 | SynrGy | ,v mplayer2 |
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| 10:27.48 | jelly | ,v mpv |
| 10:27.52 | judd | Package: mplayer2 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2.0-554-gf63dbad-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.0-554-gf63dbad-1+b1; jessie: 2.0-728-g2c378c7-2+b1; sid: 2.0-728-g2c378c7-2+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20120817-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20130706-dmo3; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0~git20130706-dmo3 |
| 10:28.05 | jelly | is what I'm currently using |
| 10:28.22 | xiqy | no mpv in wheezy though |
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| 10:28.31 | jelly | bot sayeth otherwise |
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| 10:28.37 | SynrGy | hmm. i've not tried mpv yet |
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| 10:28.55 | judd | Package: mpv on i386 -- jessie: 0.4.2-1; sid: 0.4.2-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.4.2-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.4.2-dmo1 |
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| 10:29.04 | xiqy | ^ nope |
| 10:29.10 | jelly | meh |
| 10:29.15 | SynrGy | jelly: advantages over smplayer? |
| 10:29.18 | jelly | judd: why are you slow again |
| 10:29.44 | jelly | SynrGy: I actually tried mpv. |
| 10:29.46 | judd | No package named 'are' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 10:30.27 | SynrGy | jelly: ah. :) |
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| 10:30.49 | SynrGy | well. i'll have to actually try it and draw my own conclusions |
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| 10:30.52 | SynrGy | tnx |
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| 10:32.25 | L0aD1nG | jelly: Is clementine good for music player what do you think? |
| 10:32.52 | jelly | L0aD1nG: I use it, it's all right. |
| 10:33.25 | jelly | does streams, has multiple playlists and a reasonable library implementation |
| 10:33.52 | SynrGy | jelly: i take it mpv has no front-end |
| 10:34.09 | jelly | SynrGy: it embeds some gui elements |
| 10:34.12 | L0aD1nG | I tired with vlc and its bugs |
| 10:34.39 | L0aD1nG | I purged it today and installed smplayer (VP) and clementine (MP) I will stick like this now |
| 10:34.52 | SynrGy | k |
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| 10:35.15 | SynrGy | L0aD1nG: until you find smplayer+mplayer2 has bugs ... and need to switch again ... |
| 10:35.30 | peetaur2 | noooo mplayer is immune to bugs ;) |
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| 10:36.07 | SynrGy | as i said before, i've never found a single video player that worked flawlessly for all cases. so it's handy to have more than one around |
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| 10:36.54 | peetaur2 | I've actually never had 'bug' problems with mplayer... only support, like for the clicky dvd GUIs |
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| 10:37.40 | peetaur2 | and whenever I find something else that fails (eg. yesterday found an mp3 that crashes amarok), it works fine in mplayer (yesterday with some distortions/noise at the crash point) |
| 10:38.01 | peetaur2 | but I don't usually play music in mplayer ;) ... no hotkeys to pause which I want |
| 10:38.53 | smartass | hi, what union mount FS are supported? aufs and unionfs? |
| 10:39.07 | SynrGy | jelly: so, the main difference here is mpv seems to have a future whereas mplayer2 doesn't? (after skimming the web on this topic :) |
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| 10:39.35 | jelly | SynrGy: pretty much. Didn't know that about mplayer2. |
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| 10:39.56 | xiqy | as I understand it, mpv is to mplayer2 as mplayer2 is to mplayer. |
| 10:40.30 | xiqy | each is an attempt at cleaning up the code and bringing the project back from the brink of stagnation |
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| 10:40.39 | jelly | debian's ffmpeg situation may or may not exacrebrate the bugs in any of those |
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| 10:41.12 | L0aD1nG | SynrGy: what bugs? |
| 10:43.15 | SynrGy | well, i took a random 720p video just now, played in smplayer (no sound), vlc (flawless), mpv (sound/video desynced) |
| 10:43.29 | SynrGy | i seem to have this sort of issue all the time, so switch players when i do |
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| 10:43.46 | SynrGy | mind you, this is on a rather underpowered netbook |
| 10:43.50 | SynrGy | ymmv |
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| 10:44.27 | SynrGy | i've had similar issues on other, more powerful platforms |
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| 11:06.04 | sandman13 | I connect my external Wi-Fi to the machine but it doesn't work. nm-applet for KDE says the network is unavailable, so does ifconfig. What I am missing? |
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| 11:06.52 | ChrisH | sandman13: ifconfig -a does not show the interface itself? |
| 11:07.00 | Lope | if I ask apt-get to install multiple packages, will it install them in the order that I specify or will it install them alphabetically or something? (assuming they do not depend upon each other) eg: "apt-get install c-blah a-blah b-blah" |
| 11:07.39 | sandman13 | ChrisH: I see eth0, eth0-akonadi, wlan0 (my laptop's adapter) and lo |
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| 11:07.43 | heurist | Lope: does it matter? |
| 11:07.49 | Lope | heurist: yes |
| 11:07.55 | heurist | Lope: why? |
| 11:08.01 | ChrisH | sandman13: and what is missing? |
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| 11:08.18 | Lope | I'm making an install script and one of the packages (mysql) asks for a root password. I don't want it to hold up the whole installation |
| 11:08.19 | L0aD1nG | SynGy: I ve played a 720p movie on smplayer and everything is fine |
| 11:08.25 | Lope | so I'm thinking of just naming mysql last |
| 11:08.36 | L0aD1nG | SynrGy: I ve played a 720p movie on smplayer and everything is fine |
| 11:09.46 | SynrGy | L0aD1nG: individual cases like this aren't going to prove anything |
| 11:09.50 | heurist | Lope: if it is a script you can install it separately, there are also ways to make the install not ask questions at all. |
| 11:10.17 | L0aD1nG | SynrGt: okay I am just saying |
| 11:10.17 | Lope | there is another package I use called CPUburn that does it too |
| 11:10.19 | sandman13 | ChrisH: the interface for external Adapter I guess |
| 11:10.23 | SynrGy | L0aD1nG: i was trying to convey that across the span of time (for nearly twenty years) and a wide variety of media ... no one player has been perfect |
| 11:10.36 | Lope | heurist: yeah probably better to install it separately |
| 11:10.37 | SynrGy | so it's handy to have more than one on hand |
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| 11:10.52 | SynrGy | use one as your preferred player, and have the otehrs ready, in case of issues. |
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| 11:11.41 | ChrisH | sandman13: get in touch with the bot and follow his suggestions for the initial steps. run /msg dpkg wifi and read/check what gets suggested. Feel free to ask here, but the suggestion will bring you some steps ahead |
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| 11:11.55 | L0aD1nG | SynrGy: yea I just want to have installed only programs that I use to be more "lightweight" |
| 11:12.04 | sandman13 | ChrisH: okay :D thanks |
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| 11:15.14 | sandman13 | ChrisH: ah I was missing the package for Ralink |
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| 11:22.55 | ChrisH | sandman13: so now it works? Great! |
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| 11:23.33 | sandman13 | ChrisH: I have to restart the services |
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| 11:25.45 | s4ndm4n | ChrisH: now it works |
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| 11:31.10 | edocod | hello |
| 11:31.33 | edocod | i can't find the avcodec package containing mp2processor.o |
| 11:31.51 | edocod | i'm using jessie repos |
| 11:32.25 | s4ndm4n | edocod: Jessie on irc.oftc.net #debian-next |
| 11:32.47 | edocod | sorry! |
| 11:33.13 | s4ndm4n | edocod: not a problem. Happens sometimes :D |
| 11:33.56 | smartass | hi, nobody answered earlier: is aufs supported in wheezy by default? |
| 11:34.21 | smartass | planning to use it with schroot |
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| 11:36.00 | smartass | or is there a better way than schroot to test newes libs ? |
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| 11:36.15 | heurist | ,v aufs-tools |
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| 11:37.02 | judd | Package: aufs-tools on i386 -- squeeze: 20100601-1; wheezy: 1:3.0+20120411-2; jessie: 1:3.2+20130722-1.1; sid: 1:3.2+20130722-1.1 |
| 11:37.11 | smartass | heurist: yes, but I'm asking about aufs support in teh kernel |
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| 11:44.28 | Olivier | top |
| 11:44.33 | Olivier | wc |
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| 11:47.51 | Madnesscr3w | hi |
| 11:47.57 | heurist | smartass: why don't you ask the kernel? grep -i aufs /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 11:48.33 | smartass | heurist: it seems it is included in there ... thanks |
| 11:48.38 | Madnesscr3w | please whats the cmd to run install on debian |
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| 11:49.04 | smartass | so, to my other question: is there some better way than schroot to test latest libraries? |
| 11:49.39 | heurist | Madnesscr3w: install what exactly? |
| 11:50.01 | Madnesscr3w | updates |
| 11:50.05 | heurist | smartass: lxc maybe |
| 11:50.38 | heurist | Madnesscr3w: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 11:50.51 | heurist | Madnesscr3w: man apt-get |
| 11:51.30 | supaplex | man oh man oh man. ;) |
| 11:51.35 | smartass | heurist: I don't need that much isolation really ... just imagine you want to test some new version from unstable ... what other way than to chroot (pinning excluded, not a fan of that) |
| 11:51.42 | babilen | Madnesscr3w: You might want to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html |
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| 11:52.48 | heurist | smartass: chroot is fine if you do not need as much as lxc, lxc is fine if that is what you want, virtualisation is the next step up, all depends on your needs. |
| 11:52.58 | Madnesscr3w | safeserver:~# cat /etc/issue |
| 11:52.58 | Madnesscr3w | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
| 11:52.58 | Madnesscr3w | safeserver:~# apt-get update |
| 11:52.58 | Madnesscr3w | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denie |
| 11:52.58 | Madnesscr3w | d) |
| 11:52.59 | Madnesscr3w | E: Unable to lock the list directory |
| 11:52.59 | Madnesscr3w | safeserver:~# |
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| 11:54.18 | xiqy | smartass: depending on what you want to test, you could download and compile the source, and run the binary without installing. doesn't work so well with libraries obviously. |
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| 11:55.02 | babilen | 4.0 :) |
| 11:55.04 | jelly | dpkg, tell Madnesscr3w about etch sources.list |
| 11:55.13 | babilen | Madnesscr3w: Please use a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net or http://refheap.com |
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| 11:55.33 | heurist | Madnesscr3w: "lock" means you are running two programs that do the same thing, maybe you have dselect or aptitude or even apt-get running already? maybe even synaptic. |
| 11:55.52 | Th34rchitekt | Madnesscr3w: user root user or sudo command |
| 11:55.56 | Th34rchitekt | use* |
| 11:56.11 | babilen | Madnesscr3w: You might also want to consider upgrading that box. It is *ancient*. See <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> and <squeeze->wheezy> for instructions on how to do that. |
| 11:56.20 | heurist | oh, yeah, denied is wrong user. |
| 11:56.22 | smartass | xiqy: also possible, but sidesteps dpkg ... |
| 11:56.36 | Madnesscr3w | yes tnx |
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| 11:57.35 | babilen | Madnesscr3w: Given that you are running such an old release it might actually be less work to simply backup your data, install wheezy on that box and then to configure the services that it should offer. You should be aware that that box is not safe at all. |
| 11:57.55 | xiqy | smartass: well, a package installed in a chroot or vm is also not managed by the host's dpkg. |
| 11:58.05 | Th34rchitekt | This box doesn't now what safety is... |
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| 11:58.14 | Th34rchitekt | know |
| 11:58.16 | Th34rchitekt | meh |
| 11:58.44 | smartass | xiqy: true, but at least there might be dpkg in the chroot |
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| 11:59.55 | smartass | I was thinking about overlaying stable rootfs with the chroot (e.g. sid) ... is that a viable solution? |
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| 12:00.07 | smartass | most likely with aufs |
| 12:00.53 | xiqy | seems like a lot of work just to test a new package, but whatever floats you boat. |
| 12:01.04 | smartass | schroot uses aufs already, just not sure if I could make it use the rootfs as a source |
| 12:01.11 | smartass | xiqy: so you would compile it? |
| 12:01.59 | Nephro | Just installed latest stable deb, and got this weird desktop environment. Can anyone suggest what other environments I might try easy to learn maybe to be used as a gate-env to openbox |
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| 12:03.09 | xiqy | smartass: I don't know exactly what it is you're trying to do, but I would probably compile it first, yes. Then, if everything seems to work OK I'd upgrade via apt. |
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| 12:06.09 | xiqy | Nephro: the weird DE is gnome. if you want to use openbox you could try lxde, which is openbox+stuff. |
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| 12:06.59 | smartass | xiqy: what you mean "upgrade via apt" ... it won't get into stable for a long time |
| 12:07.38 | smartass | xiqy: specifically I'm looking at ipython, scipy, numpy ... yes, I need some really new features (SG filter) |
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| 12:12.36 | xiqy | I see, I thought we were talking about backports. well, in that case, I'd still download the testing source, see if it compiles in stable, and if it does make my own .deb and install it with dpkg. |
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| 12:14.10 | xiqy | if it doesn't compile and can't easily be make to do so, I'd honestly just upgrade to testing altogether. |
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| 12:21.17 | edocod | <edocod> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsupport_lib |
| 12:21.26 | edocod | what do i miss? |
| 12:21.35 | edocod | can't find anything for support_lib |
| 12:22.16 | Lope | this only works with 1 variable: name=bob,color=red echo "$name you are $color" |
| 12:22.20 | jelly | edocod: well, you're missing context for that question for one thing |
| 12:22.23 | Lope | how can I make it work with both |
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| 12:22.56 | jelly | edocod: as in, what were you trying to build and what was the exact command and full output |
| 12:23.03 | edocod | oh sorry |
| 12:23.11 | edocod | let me paste it on paste.debian |
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| 12:30.42 | edocod | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/115096/ |
| 12:32.09 | jelly | edocod: does the software expect a libsupport_lib.a in current directory or ../libs? |
| 12:32.28 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 12:32.28 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
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| 12:33.33 | jelly | edocod: I kind of read Italian so it's not a problem this time, but try to run future pastes with LC_ALL=C to get errors in English |
| 12:33.40 | edocod | oh ok |
| 12:33.45 | edocod | i was going to paste it in english |
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| 12:34.05 | edocod | however, the first error is "cannot find" (line 3) |
| 12:34.24 | edocod | the second is "instructions set for the target "..." not found" (line 5) |
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| 12:34.37 | edocod | the third is "error 1", (line 6) |
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| 12:38.25 | smartass | had a nice talk with dpkg about sns ... how reliable are backports these days? if I use libreoffice from backports, will I get security updates for it? |
| 12:38.36 | jelly | "maybe" |
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| 12:42.36 | smartass | I've seen stuff like BSA ... how reliable are they? |
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| 12:47.07 | abrotman | wtf is BSA? |
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| 12:49.54 | smartass | abrotman: backports security advisory |
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| 12:52.04 | jelly | smartass: I have not seen such a thing |
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| 12:53.21 | smartass | http://backports.debian.org/news/BSA-096_Security_Update_for_libreoffice/ |
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| 13:01.11 | L0aD1nG | does soundconverter converts to flac files for real anyone knows? |
| 13:02.37 | L0aD1nG | I mean I did it and didn't realize any change on quality or so... |
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| 13:06.44 | peetaur2 | L0aD1nG: flac is lossless... the L stands for lossless |
| 13:06.51 | peetaur2 | free losless audio codec |
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| 13:09.21 | L0aD1nG | peetaur2: what does that means? |
| 13:09.31 | peetaur2 | nothing lost |
| 13:09.34 | peetaur2 | no quality gone |
| 13:09.44 | peetaur2 | just like a zip file... if you decompress it, you get the same thing as you compressed |
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| 13:10.12 | jelly | L0aD1nG: and nothing gained, either. if you convert from mp3 to flac, you just lose disk space as any compression is done already |
| 13:10.24 | jelly | compression damage* |
| 13:10.32 | L0aD1nG | peetaur2: flac music files are known to be better quality than for example mp3 |
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| 13:10.54 | jelly | L0aD1nG: that is only true if they are created from uncompressed original source |
| 13:11.39 | jelly | again, coverting from your existing mp3 to flac won't magically give you that better quality. There will be absolutely no change. |
| 13:12.02 | L0aD1nG | jelly: so converting what I want to flac with soundconverter package wont give me any quality on songs right? I go straight for mp3 then cause I get them from youtube-dl as m4a |
| 13:12.09 | peetaur2 | L0aD1nG: yes if you compress a .wav file or a CD to flac, it is the same exact file when you decompress it. |
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| 13:12.17 | jelly | L0aD1nG: then leave m4a as-is |
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| 13:12.30 | peetaur2 | L0aD1nG: but if you decompress an mp3 (to a wav) and then compress that to flac, it will be the same as the mp3 in quality, but be larger, wasting space. |
| 13:12.35 | jelly | if it's mp3 inside, you can rename it, sure |
| 13:12.36 | L0aD1nG | jelly: isn't better on mp3? |
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| 13:13.16 | jelly | L0aD1nG: no amount of additional converting will make better quality out of what you already had |
| 13:13.19 | peetaur2 | L0aD1nG: and transcoding from lossy to lossy, eg. from mp3 to ogg, will lose quality again, even if ogg would have been better in the beginning, from the original wav |
| 13:13.22 | L0aD1nG | jelly: I prefer mp3 so I can write them on a CD anytime and play cd everywhere for example CD-player on my mother's car plays only mp3 |
| 13:13.25 | L0aD1nG | *CDs |
| 13:13.58 | peetaur2 | it's a shame that it's true... hardware devices support mp3 but not free formats like ogg... so yeah, mp3 would be preferable |
| 13:14.13 | peetaur2 | I prefer flac and then just convert to mp3 when copying to those devices though ;) |
| 13:15.05 | L0aD1nG | peetaur2: but flac is more space and as @jelly said it doesn't give me better quality just the same...why should I do that and not go straight for the mp3. |
| 13:15.06 | L0aD1nG | ?? |
| 13:15.31 | peetaur2 | if you have a CD with qualtiy music, like classical or symphonic metal (like Nightwish), it will sound better in FLAC |
| 13:15.44 | peetaur2 | but if you have an mp3 of such music and convert it, you can never improve, only get the same or lower quality |
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| 13:16.25 | L0aD1nG | I said I get m4a files |
| 13:16.37 | L0aD1nG | and I go convert them on mp3 |
| 13:17.05 | jelly | L0aD1nG: if you convert them to flac instead, you won't lose quality that you'd lose going m4a->mp3 |
| 13:17.06 | L0aD1nG | I don't think I loose quality from this one, also I dont get quality from flac conversion |
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| 13:17.15 | peetaur2 | okay I"ll say it another way: if you want to convert to flac, use the raw uncompressed full quality version to do that. If you don't have that, but have a reduced quality version, just leave it like it is or you will either reduce quality (eg. by going to mp3 or ogg) or just make it take more disk space (as with flac) |
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| 13:17.28 | L0aD1nG | jelly: ohh really so m4a is better quality from mp3? |
| 13:17.32 | jelly | L0aD1nG: NO |
| 13:17.44 | frostschutz | L0aD1nG, the question is whether in 10 years there will be something better/more common than MP3. When that happens, you should convert to that new format from your originals, not from the already lossy mp3. |
| 13:17.53 | jelly | L0aD1nG: original is always same or better quality than a transcoded copy |
| 13:18.04 | peetaur2 | transcoding from lossy to lossy loses quality... doesn't matter which is better |
| 13:18.10 | L0aD1nG | thanks |
| 13:18.18 | peetaur2 | every conversion rounds things and trims things |
| 13:18.24 | L0aD1nG | thank you all I got what you mean now |
| 13:18.36 | peetaur2 | round it with 2 algorithms, and you break it in 2 ways instead of 1 |
| 13:18.49 | D-Boy | To create an iso image of a dvd just dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso ? |
| 13:18.51 | frostschutz | there's this youtube video that was downloaded from youtube and reuploaded to youtube (giving a new lossy conversion every time) and in the end it just sounds/looks like static noise |
| 13:18.58 | peetaur2 | (mp3 for example trims the high frequencies, so some percussion sounds horrible) |
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| 13:19.10 | frostschutz | D-Boy, add bs=1M for speed, but yes |
| 13:19.21 | D-Boy | frostschutz: okey, thx |
| 13:19.33 | L0aD1nG | frostschutz: thank you sir |
| 13:19.51 | SirLagz | so I need an application that will sit there waiting for me to direct a DLNA stream at it. similar to XBMC but not so big. Any ideas ? |
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| 13:20.29 | sonOfRa | How do I tell apt-get to a) Don't start the service I just installed and b) skip configuring it? |
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| 13:20.57 | petn-randall | sonOfRa: Depends on the service. |
| 13:21.04 | sonOfRa | slapd |
| 13:23.05 | sonOfRa | is there no general way to not start init scripts? This is annoying as hell in replicated situations, especially a restart when services are updated |
| 13:23.07 | petn-randall | sonOfRa: IIRC it won't get started because of a setting in /etc/default/slapd. You can always tap enter through the debconf questions and reconfigure it later. |
| 13:23.43 | petn-randall | sonOfRa: You can use sysv-rc-conf to uncheck it for that runlevel, then it shouldn't get started automatically. |
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| 13:23.55 | sonOfRa | I want it to NOT get started |
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| 13:24.18 | sonOfRa | it gets started on install and update, this is causing me some major headaches |
| 13:24.19 | themill | sonOfRa: that's what petn-randall was helping you do |
| 13:24.19 | petn-randall | sonOfRa: There's no way to set it up that it won't get started upon installation, just upon upgrade. |
| 13:24.40 | sonOfRa | I see |
| 13:25.02 | themill | Not true -- you can create /etc/default/slapd with the appropriate values prior to installation |
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| 13:26.53 | petn-randall | themill: Yeah, might be true, didn't check. It depends on the service though, sonOfRa, there's no overall config knob to do that globally. |
| 13:27.39 | petn-randall | AFAIK. If someone knows such a knob, I'm more than happy to learn about it. |
| 13:27.42 | themill | If the service has an /etc/default/$foo that contains a NO_START or DISABLE or similar option, then you can do that. slapd does. |
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| 13:28.22 | petn-randall | themill: Indeed. Is that something we want to push on as a policy in jessie? Sounds like a useful thing. |
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| 13:28.55 | themill | systemd should actually do it better -- at the moment different packages have different values there |
| 13:28.58 | themill | !policy-rc.d |
| 13:28.58 | dpkg | [policy-rc.d] a mechanism to limit what init scripts are run by maintainer scripts. See http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt and <invoke-rc.d>. See http://ircbots.debian.net/scripts/policy-rc.d-forbid-dpkg for an example script that disables all daemon starts and stops during package installation -- tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised. |
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| 13:30.15 | sonOfRa | I don't know if I'm the only one, but I find automatically starting ad restarting services on install and update silly, that's not the work of the package manager, it should be done by the administrator. Currently migrating a lot of our servers from gentoo to debian, this is one of the biggest problems we encountered so far |
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| 13:30.35 | heurist | sonOfRa: if you must do this often take a look at the kali-linux version of sysv-rc and what they do to /usr/sbin/update-rc.d to make it not run services on install. |
| 13:31.15 | petn-randall | themill: Ah, nice. That question came up a few days (weeks?) ago in here and I didn't know an answer. |
| 13:31.20 | peetaur2 | sonOfRa: I agree. |
| 13:31.22 | themill | (invoke-rc.d not update-rc.d and what they will be doing is with policy-rc.d) |
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| 13:31.35 | sonOfRa | it's a pacemaker/corosync/drbd setup, and drbd isn't always mounted |
| 13:32.02 | sonOfRa | so, not realizing this, updating apache without having its document root mounted resulted in errors |
| 13:32.21 | themill | sonOfRa: things are normally only started if there is a sane default. In most situations this is exactly the right thing to be doing and if you were doing this on any scale where this was an issue, you'd be pushing the config in prior to the package installation |
| 13:32.22 | heurist | sonOfRa: I fully agree, it is a bad policy to start things before letting the admin configure them. if you disable a service it will not start after update. |
| 13:32.23 | peetaur2 | sonOfRa: but also when upgrading, some things break and won't work properly until you restart them (but can't think of an example other than KDE stuff) |
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| 13:32.41 | gr33n7007h | I'm running kali like me check anything? |
| 13:32.57 | jelly | .oO ( debootstrap could be so nice to slap a default policy-rc.d inside ) |
| 13:33.03 | heurist | themill: no, they replace update-rc.d with a perl script. update-rc.d is what adds stuff to autostart. |
| 13:33.40 | themill | heurist: update-rc.d is a perl script already. It doesn't start things |
| 13:33.46 | Otyugh | hey. I'm looking for a complete tutorial with dumb stup-by-step to set up a mailserver. Is there any ? :o |
| 13:34.15 | heurist | themill: no, it does not, it adds things to autostart, they make it not do that for network service. |
| 13:34.49 | themill | heurist: so things would still get restarted on upgrades |
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| 13:35.35 | heurist | themill: yes, everything else behave as it did, just not add to autstart on install. running it manually later add as expected too. |
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| 13:36.04 | themill | how weird |
| 13:37.26 | heurist | themill: they make the script check if it is an installation addition and if it is in a blacklist and the skip adding it. else they run the original update-rc.d and have it do what it always did. it is quite clever and works seamlessly. |
| 13:38.07 | themill | so the admin has two steps required to do the same thing and its unpredictable whether the second step is required. Sounds clever. |
| 13:38.26 | themill | Also, we could argue about vi vs emacs or gnome vs kde. |
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| 13:39.29 | heurist | themill: slightly unclear yes, they give a message, but it could be missed and the admin might wonder why things are not starting. |
| 13:40.20 | supaplex | pats lvresize and resize2fs on tha head. |
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| 13:45.15 | SirLagz | hmm so it looks like I need a renderer for what I want to d |
| 13:45.17 | SirLagz | do* |
| 13:45.22 | Tiberio | hi all, I need my system uses italian formats (time, date, decimal point, thousand separator, keyboard) but english language... I'm unable to do it by dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 13:45.24 | nephro | How do I start an application from a startup script, if the application runs in a terminal emulator? |
| 13:45.33 | Tiberio | any suggests? |
| 13:45.33 | SirLagz | nephro: what application ? |
| 13:45.40 | nephro | SirLagz: say weechat |
| 13:45.58 | Tuplanolla | You can fire up the terminal emulator directly, nephro. |
| 13:46.06 | nephro | Tuplanolla: writing a startup script |
| 13:46.35 | Tuplanolla | I'm not sure what you mean by that. |
| 13:46.45 | SirLagz | nephro: something like running "xterm weechat" ? |
| 13:46.49 | nephro | Well, a script that launches applications on startup |
| 13:47.01 | SirLagz | nephro: or "xterm /bin/weechat" |
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| 13:47.50 | Tuplanolla | Just make sure it's run after X has started. |
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| 13:48.59 | Kobaz | i can't copy/paste from rdesktop (or remmina, or xrdp, or any of those).... i used to be able to |
| 13:49.08 | themill | Tiberio: you'll need to manually set the various locale variables to what you want. see locale(1) and the output of "locale" for their current values |
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| 13:52.10 | Tuplanolla | How long does it typically take for trivial rfps to be handled? |
| 13:52.45 | jelly | Kobaz: clipboard helpers like clipman (xfce), klipper (kde), glipper (gnome), clipit, ... can interfere with rdesktop, if you have one active kill it |
| 13:53.00 | themill | Tuplanolla: RFPs never get answered unless someone really wants to do that work. Perhaps you do? |
| 13:53.16 | centrx | Tuplanolla, The main determinant is whether a developer/maintainer is interested in the package, not how difficult it is |
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| 13:53.58 | Tuplanolla | Becoming a maintainer seems like a huge load of work. |
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| 13:55.04 | Kobaz | jelly: okay, hmm... just checked. Don't have any of those installed or running (under those names) |
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| 13:55.24 | Stummi | Tuplanolla, correct. You don't need to be a maintainer to contribute to debian tough |
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| 13:55.34 | stack | hello, does anyone knows what on debian provides this clan header files that triggers this error 'clang/Frontend/FrontendActions.h' file not found ? |
| 13:55.41 | Stummi | *though |
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| 13:55.57 | Tiberio | themill, I'd like en_IT.UTF8 |
| 13:56.17 | centrx | Tuplanolla, What package? |
| 13:56.29 | Tiberio | themill, no way to make it easy and portable |
| 13:56.56 | Otyugh | mhm |
| 13:57.00 | Otyugh | ,v dig |
| 13:57.00 | themill | Tiberio: what do you mean by portable? |
| 13:57.00 | judd | No package named 'dig' was found in i386. |
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| 13:57.21 | Tiberio | themill, setting and trasferring to other pc |
| 13:57.27 | Tuplanolla | This one called CHEAT, centrx: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=757295 |
| 13:57.35 | Tiberio | not to set manually every pc |
| 13:57.40 | Otyugh | Hey guys. I'm looking to know from what package "dig" is from ? Apt-file search or apt-cache search isn't helping. Any clue ? |
| 13:57.48 | heurist | Otyugh: dnsutils |
| 13:57.49 | Tuplanolla | I browsed through the list and found others that have gathered dust for years though. |
| 13:57.51 | themill | Tiberio: how do you normally log in? ssh? |
| 13:57.56 | Otyugh | thanks heurist |
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| 13:58.24 | Tiberio | themill, gdm |
| 13:58.29 | themill | Otyugh: btw «apt-file search -x bin/dig$» |
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| 13:58.48 | Otyugh | o/ |
| 13:58.54 | Tiberio | gnome-display-manager |
| 13:58.55 | Otyugh | This will help. Thanks again |
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| 14:00.00 | themill | Tiberio: I believe that gdm reads your shell startup scripts when it starts up, so you could do it in ~/.profile I guess. I don't use gdm though... |
| 14:00.06 | Tiberio | themill, all output variables from "locale" are set to it_IT.UTF8 |
| 14:00.32 | Tiberio | themill, so I want to change language only |
| 14:00.37 | Tiberio | can I do it? |
| 14:00.46 | Tiberio | there isn't a LC_LANG vaiable |
| 14:00.54 | SirLagz | ah ha ! damn plugins. |
| 14:01.40 | themill | Tiberio: LC_MESSAGES (be careful with LANG too) |
| 14:02.09 | Tiberio | themill, ok... thank you vm |
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| 14:05.18 | Kobaz | jelly: any other ideas? |
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| 14:06.44 | jelly | Kobaz: not really. I've also seen some issues with xchat messing with primary selection, but not clipboard |
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| 14:07.47 | jelly | Kobaz: what you may try is open a program that uses clipboard instead of selection, paste into that, then explicitely copy from gedit and try pasting into rdesktop |
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| 14:08.52 | Kobaz | did that too :P |
| 14:08.56 | Kobaz | that doesn't work |
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| 14:11.48 | yareckon | hey, have a general question... after a machine uses swap under memory pressure and that pressure goes away, freeing the memory, I've found that the machine stays relatively unresponsive for a while |
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| 14:12.09 | peetaur2 | yareckon: probably the cache is empty |
| 14:12.14 | yareckon | I've seen that the disk is hit, I assume moving the swap back into memory |
| 14:12.45 | yareckon | just wondering if there are any tools that can help get out of this unresponsive period |
| 14:13.00 | yareckon | I assume the majority of the swap was the same process that was eating up the physical memory |
| 14:13.04 | yareckon | and can be tossed out |
| 14:13.12 | petn-randall | yareckon: Not really, since the kernel can only cache stuff when it knows that it could be useful. It can't predict what's needed. |
| 14:13.41 | petn-randall | yareckon: Generally, if your system hits swap hard, it's a bad thing, that needs to be avoided *before* this happens. |
| 14:13.46 | yareckon | yeah, I know |
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| 14:14.47 | peetaur2 | yareckon: it likely only moves things from swap to memory when you use them; so you can't discard them, except maybe with kill |
| 14:15.01 | peetaur2 | yareckon: but when the cache is empty, things like KDE4 run slow |
| 14:15.13 | yareckon | but put netbeans and xdebug and php5.6 together and younever know when you're going to hit some sort of leak |
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| 14:16.35 | yareckon | it seems to spend about 3-4 minutes unresponsive cleaning out 5 or so Gigs of swap after one of these unfortunate events |
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| 14:17.02 | yareckon | (in the case when I realize I have a leak and kill java and apache in time to avoid a real system crash) |
| 14:17.37 | peetaur2 | yareckon: one alterntaive is to swapoff your swap and swapon again after it is clear |
| 14:17.40 | SynrGy | i'm a bit stupid with pam, but let me see if i got this right ... i have my box set up to auth against our PDC, and this is done with kerberos. i also have libpam_mount. now, http://paste.debian.net/115134/ shows my /etc/pam.d/common-auth, and there is an 'auth requisite pam_deny.so' at line 6. doesn't that mean if the password is typed wrong, pam_mount.so won't be executed? |
| 14:17.42 | yareckon | basically, I need to get versions of the above software that work better together, but it made me curious generally about swap behaviour |
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| 14:18.49 | SynrGy | but if i'm right about this, why do i see four CIFS VFS failures (one per each automounted volume mounted by pam_mount) every time a user types the password wrong? this rapidly runs up the password retry count and the user ultimately gets locked out, requiring a net admin to intervene. bloody pita. |
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| 14:19.50 | SynrGy | so please tell me where i've gone wrong reading pam.conf(5) on 'requisite' and 'optional' behaviour :/ |
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| 14:21.50 | supaplex | with DebianWRT, is there any webui? May not be as advanced as openwrt, but ... |
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| 14:23.49 | yareckon | peetaur2, I may just try using swapoff to see if that cuts down on the dead time |
| 14:23.50 | ice9 | what is the default luks encryption cipher? |
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| 14:24.12 | yareckon | thanks for the help petn-randall, peetaur2 |
| 14:24.18 | petn-randall | ice9: IIRC it's in the man page, check there. |
| 14:25.11 | petn-randall | ice9: It's XTS something, though. |
| 14:25.31 | yareckon | petn-randall, don't help the NSA now ;) |
| 14:25.41 | yareckon | they have to figure it out for themselves |
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| 14:27.02 | Chesticleez | Hi. Can anyone give a little TAILS support? There is no one in the TAILS channel. |
| 14:27.44 | yareckon | ice9, stackoverflow says AES-CBC 256 http://serverfault.com/questions/220176/what-cipher-is-the-best-or-better-for-luks |
| 14:27.56 | relipse | I can't install many things, for example I tried sudo apt-get install mysql-server-5.5 mysql-client-5.5 but ti says it depends on libdbi-perl but it is not installable |
| 14:28.49 | relipse | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 14:29.25 | yareckon | relipse http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/02/21/debian-cleanup-tip-4-find-broken-packages-and-reinstall-them/ |
| 14:29.29 | SynrGy | Chesticleez: no. tails is not supported here. |
| 14:29.31 | SynrGy | !tails |
| 14:29.31 | dpkg | Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. https://tails.boum.org/ #tails on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:29.38 | yareckon | (Debian Cleanup Tip #4: find broken packages and reinstall them) |
| 14:29.39 | SynrGy | Chesticleez: maybe you have the wrong network? |
| 14:29.43 | Chesticleez | okay, thanks SynrGy |
| 14:29.46 | SynrGy | Chesticleez: note, #tails on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:29.49 | SynrGy | this is freenode |
| 14:29.55 | Chesticleez | Is there another channel that does support tails? |
| 14:29.59 | SynrGy | ^^^ |
| 14:30.04 | yareckon | Chesticleez, the network is the problem |
| 14:30.10 | yareckon | listen to SynrGy |
| 14:30.17 | Chesticleez | LOL |
| 14:30.24 | Chesticleez | okay, thanks guys |
| 14:30.36 | Chesticleez | Have a fun, stress-free day! |
| 14:30.56 | SynrGy | Chesticleez: you do know how to change networks, i hope? |
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| 14:31.43 | yareckon | that Chesticleez guy sure was nice, he can come back anytime |
| 14:32.03 | supaplex | awesome. ath9k_htc device is unresponsive (syslog message). ugh. |
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| 14:35.08 | yareckon | anyone know a site that graphs avg irc channel size over time? |
| 14:35.18 | yareckon | I think it would be an interesting cultural metric |
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| 14:35.53 | yareckon | debian is really full these days... how many of y'all are bots though? |
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| 14:36.43 | petn-randall | I'm a singularity, does that count as bot? |
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| 14:39.04 | yareckon | petn-randall, dunno, in this case I want a popularity measure, so I just need to know how many instances of yourself you have launched |
| 14:39.17 | aithios | I'm idle does that count as bot ? |
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| 14:40.24 | yareckon | aithios, it's a bit like flattr in that I need to know how many channels you are sitting idle in before I can divide your zero attention between them |
| 14:40.30 | sexyboy | yareckon: debian grew as an operating system over the years, now it contains more than 30000 packages, each of the packages needs a maintainer, you can imagine that this trasnslates to the size of #debian as well |
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| 14:40.52 | yareckon | your lack of attention between them |
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| 14:50.05 | Chesticleez | Hey Synergy, sorry, I just noticed you had asked me if I knew how to change networks. You mean IRC networks? |
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| 14:55.58 | relipse | i'm on wheezy but a lot of my sudo apt-get installs are not working |
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| 14:58.16 | yareckon | relipse, you've run apt-get update recently right? |
| 14:58.26 | relipse | yes |
| 14:58.28 | yareckon | or since you touched your sources.list file? |
| 14:58.35 | relipse | no didnt do that |
| 14:58.43 | mawe | I used crontab -u <myuser> -e to add a backup script which should copy files using scp from a remote server but i get Permission denied ( publickey ) |
| 14:58.46 | yareckon | hmm |
| 14:58.55 | jelly | relipse: how are they failing? |
| 14:59.07 | relipse | saying i need dependencies that cannot be installed |
| 14:59.10 | jelly | !tell relipse about basic apt troubleshooting |
| 14:59.17 | jelly | !tell relipse about paste |
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| 15:00.02 | f31n | hi, i actually didn't remember, when i dd a hdd to an img the img will have the whole size of the hdd or only the size of the content of it? |
| 15:00.28 | jelly | relipse: that can happen if you at any point had a repo for a newer branch (jessie, testing, sid, unstable) enabled and tried to install something from there |
| 15:00.32 | yareckon | mawe, cron has a different environmnt that you |
| 15:00.34 | mawe | on login i use ssh-agent to store the password of my keyfile, is it like a new session? |
| 15:00.52 | heurist | f31n: full size |
| 15:01.14 | yareckon | mawe, this ubuntu related thread should help for debian stuff too in this case http://askubuntu.com/questions/23009/reasons-why-crontab-does-not-work |
| 15:01.21 | supaplex | f31n: depends. generally the latter, but that relies on sparse filesystem support. additionally, if deleted files didn't scrub the free space with 0's, its size does not reduce. |
| 15:01.35 | yareckon | mawe, look at thte different environment answer |
| 15:01.43 | mawe | yareckon: k thanks |
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| 15:02.23 | yareckon | or just google public key cron ssh |
| 15:02.55 | yareckon | you may need to use a key without a password or some other trade-off |
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| 15:03.08 | f31n | heurist, supaplex thanks for that information, i tought so, i'm actually backupping an ntfs hdd with 1tb but actually 200gb in use ... and i actually just wantet to make the faktor time a little bit shorter ;) |
| 15:03.57 | yareckon | mawe, if you want to keep the passphrase on the ssh key, here is a good discussion http://meinit.nl/using-rsync-from-cron-with-ssh-keys-that-have-a-passphrase |
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| 15:09.12 | relipse | i'm trying to install php but i'm getting E: Unable to locate package php |
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| 15:10.05 | relipse | ok i tried php5 instead and i'm getting E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 15:10.11 | relipse | it seems like i can't install anything |
| 15:10.26 | Sevet | libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 15:10.40 | Sevet | (assuming apache) |
| 15:10.44 | Sevet | php5 if you just want the cli |
| 15:10.55 | relipse | same problem wont install E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 15:11.17 | Sevet | use aptitude to find out what they are, it'll suggest how to correct them |
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| 15:11.38 | relipse | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:11.44 | Sevet | apt-get install -f |
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| 15:13.49 | roger21 | test |
| 15:13.54 | jelly | roger21: it worked |
| 15:13.59 | roger21 | :) thanks |
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| 15:15.42 | DammitJim | what is a simple way of supplying a password in a cron job? |
| 15:15.57 | DammitJim | does one create a file with the password and chmod it? |
| 15:15.57 | kpap | Someone wAs lazy with my car |
| 15:16.17 | jelly | DammitJim: supplying a password to what command/tool? |
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| 15:18.13 | DammitJim | I basically need to set up a cron job that mounts a samba share from another server |
| 15:18.23 | DammitJim | and of course, I would think one doesn't just put the password in the cronjob |
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| 15:18.41 | DammitJim | or maybe one does... just trying to figure out how that is normally handled? |
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| 15:19.13 | DammitJim | does one use like an option file? |
| 15:19.27 | jelly | DammitJim: samba has a credentials=/path/to/file mount option |
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| 15:19.46 | DammitJim | thank you jelly! I knew you guys knew how to do this! |
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| 15:20.59 | jelly | DammitJim: man mount.cifs |
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| 15:33.16 | dec4n | hello everyone, can anybody tell me how can I make some kind of image of my debian wheezy installation? I mean, booting the OS from a SDcard and making a restore system with this device |
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| 15:34.29 | SKiTZO | How can I install the lilo package without it actually trying to install the lilo runtime on my system? |
| 15:34.34 | Blue11 | dec4n: http://pkill-9.com/simple-rsync-backuprestore-bash-scripts-for-ubuntudebian/ |
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| 15:35.31 | daMaestro | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html |
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| 15:37.00 | SKiTZO | I am installing lilo into a chrooted image file so it wont do much good actually running lilo, but I still want the package itself (with the lilo tools) installed |
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| 15:39.22 | relipse | every time i try to use apt-get i get a similar error: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/19d51bf4/ any help? |
| 15:39.25 | SynrGy | SKiTZO: if you're looking for someone here familiar with lilo to give you feedback, your chances are slim to none at finding anyone :/ |
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| 15:39.58 | jelly | relipse: did you read the "basic apt troubleshooting" instructions? |
| 15:40.07 | SynrGy | SKiTZO: if you want to just read the postinst in advance to see what it would do, you can get the deb, extract the scripts, and read them |
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| 15:40.21 | SynrGy | maybe that will give you clues as to how to avoid problems |
| 15:40.23 | relipse | not sure do you have a link jelly |
| 15:40.28 | jelly | relipse: the bot sent you a private message last time you asked |
| 15:40.33 | jelly | !tell relipse about bat |
| 15:40.41 | jelly | and now again |
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| 15:41.02 | jelly | relipse: did you get the private message from dpkg? |
| 15:41.22 | SynrGy | SKiTZO: e.g. dpkg -e lilo*.deb lilo-scripts |
| 15:41.24 | relipse | yes do you want me to paste apt-cache policy ? |
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| 15:41.36 | jelly | relipse: paste all the things asked for. |
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| 15:42.54 | jelly | relipse: that would mean both "apt-cache policy php5 libapache2-mod-php5 ..." and "apt-cache policy" in addition to the output you pasted already. Put it all in a single pastebin in possible |
| 15:43.01 | relipse | http://paste.debian.net/115195/ |
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| 15:43.14 | relipse | ok thanks |
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| 15:43.18 | dec4n | Bue11, thanks I'll check it! |
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| 15:43.39 | jelly | relipse: you're missing deb lines for main repos in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:43.48 | jelly | dpkg, tell relipse -about wheezy sources.list |
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| 15:46.34 | relipse | jelly how do you know that |
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| 15:49.29 | relipse | ok yep that was the problem thanks |
| 15:50.18 | supaplex | relipse: http://paste.debian.net/115195/ shows you have dvd1 and security sources. security updates are a different repo see http://71.94.44.244/policy.txt to compare. |
| 15:50.19 | jelly | relipse: how -- the output of "apt-cache policy" shows which sources are enabled |
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| 16:24.07 | mcgreg | for some times my eeepc/debian doesnt load "radeon" kernel module on boot time anymore - although I had/have /etc/modules |
| 16:24.19 | mcgreg | any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 16:24.25 | mcgreg | I can load it manually |
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| 16:24.48 | twirlobite | hi. i am on debian wheezy (stable) so i am running virtualenv to make environments where i have updated python packages. i have pyqt 4.9 installed, on my system however. now, inside the virtual environment, i installed the newest version of spyder, but whenever i try to run it, i get an error message saying that a pyqt >= 4.6 is required (a requirement i should be able to match...). what's the issue here? |
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| 16:25.09 | twirlobite | is it time that i start learning how to use something like emacs instead of sticking to my spyder cradle? |
| 16:26.16 | centrx | twirlobite, Yes, but choose vim instead of emacs |
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| 16:31.25 | kristijonas | hello, guys. I have both DNS client and DNS Relay on my router, i'm trying to understand the difference. At the moment, both DNS Client and DNS Relay is enabled, and DNS servers are setup in both of them to be default - my ISP DNS servers |
| 16:31.45 | twirlobite | centrx: hehe |
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| 16:34.55 | mcgreg | what can be a reason debian doesbt load modules from /etc/modules? |
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| 16:39.28 | supaplex | mcgreg: not sure. too vague. I'm off to bed, but maybe you can mention the module/driver in question. |
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| 16:39.38 | supaplex | !ops gdm85 join/quit flood. |
| 16:39.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: supaplex complains about: gdm85 join/quit flood. |
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| 16:41.25 | dec4n | If anyone can help me: How can I extend partitions in debian 7? I have a programmable board with a flash memory and a SD card, so I'd like to "merge" both devices in order the OS recognizes them as one single partition, is this possible? |
| 16:41.40 | abrotman | looks |
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| 16:42.19 | abrotman | Did it stop? |
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| 16:42.21 | abrotman | nope |
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| 16:46.01 | mawe | I installed keychain but I don't get how I can add my key with a passphrase.. i put keychain --nogui /home/myuser/.ssh/mykey.priv into my .profile but it doesn't promt me for a password and keeps asking for a passphrase |
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| 16:56.16 | nkuttler | mawe: er, do you source the generated file in ~/.keychain ? |
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| 17:02.07 | mawe | yea I followed this tutorial http://goo.gl/Qyj5IE |
| 17:02.26 | mawe | well I will just stick to eval "ssh-agent" and ssh-add for now.. |
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| 17:21.05 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 17:21.06 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
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| 17:26.29 | ElDiabolo | Where do I find documentation on what /etc/apt/preferences.d exactly does ? |
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| 17:26.57 | twirlobite | i am trying to use the text terminals (CTRL+ALT+F1 etc.) as much as possible. after installing something using one of the text terminals, the installation script told me that i had to add certain code lines to another file, and it printed out the lines i needed to add) -- how can i copy those lines from one text terminal, to another? |
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| 17:30.12 | babilen | ElDiabolo: apt_preferences(5) |
| 17:30.16 | babilen | (surprise!) |
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| 17:35.44 | L0aD1nG | good bye all |
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| 17:36.11 | jhutchins | twirlobite: If you run the GPM mouse daemon you can copy and paste. |
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| 17:36.58 | abrotman | twirlobite: it's likely in the postinst for the package, you can look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 17:37.56 | jhutchins | twirlobite: What did you install? |
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| 17:39.35 | dec4n | If anyone can help me: How can I extend partitions in debian 7? I have a programmable board with a flash memory and a SD card, so I'd like to "merge" both devices in order the OS recognizes them as one single partition, is this possible? |
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| 17:42.42 | abrotman | dec4n: I think you want LVM |
| 17:43.01 | abrotman | dec4n: or maybe unionfs |
| 17:43.24 | abrotman | I'd probably start with LVM |
| 17:43.27 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dec4n about lvm |
| 17:43.30 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dec4n about unionfs |
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| 17:58.45 | jhutchins | dec4n: Still there? |
| 17:59.27 | dec4n | abrotman: thanks, I'm already checking |
| 17:59.35 | dec4n | jhutchins: yes |
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| 18:12.16 | maziar | hi, i have tkldev turnkeylinux www.turnkeylinux.org/tkldev , and i want to create iso from it |
| 18:12.32 | maziar | hi, i have tkldev turnkeylinux www.turnkeylinux.org/tkldev , and i want to create iso from it, can you help me ? |
| 18:13.08 | DammitJim | I think I have a misconception of what the shell is when I read about 'ulimit': provides control over the resources available to the shell and toprocesses started by it, on systems that allow such control |
| 18:13.16 | DammitJim | in this case the 'shell' is not a terminal session, right? |
| 18:14.00 | centrx | DammitJim, It probably means "login shell" |
| 18:14.34 | centrx | DammitJim, A non-login shell probably inherits all the rules from its login shell |
| 18:14.38 | DammitJim | I have a series of applications on a server and a developer has run into the 1024 limit (ulimit -u) |
| 18:15.17 | DammitJim | I guess I am wondering where I would need to increase the ulimit for the user that the applications run as |
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| 18:45.22 | maziar | hi, i have tkldev turnkeylinux www.turnkeylinux.org/tkldev , and i want to create iso from it, can you help me ? |
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| 18:49.50 | abrotman | maziar: try ##linux, we don't support turnkey here |
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| 18:55.03 | asturel | whats the best way to automatically adjust the oom_score for mysqld? |
| 18:55.11 | asturel | better than putting it to crontab D: |
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| 18:57.49 | Fjorgynn | LIKE! |
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| 19:06.53 | Psil0Cybin | if i get debian, i am used to xfce...is the xfce desktop on debian full featured? |
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| 19:07.49 | bline79 | Does anyone know when debian stable will have php 5.5 ? |
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| 19:10.32 | abrotman | judd: versions php5 |
| 19:10.33 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3-7+squeeze21; wheezy: 5.4.4-14+deb7u11; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.4-14+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 5.4.4-14+deb7u12; jessie: 5.6.0~rc3+dfsg-1; sid: 5.6.0~rc3+dfsg-1 |
| 19:10.49 | abrotman | bline79: when Jessie is released as stable |
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| 19:10.57 | abrotman | Psil0Cybin: should be, try it |
| 19:11.00 | ToApolytoXaos | bline79, you could of course install it yourself http://www.dotdeb.org/2014/07/24/php-5-5-15-for-debian-wheezy/ |
| 19:11.16 | rgr | http://www.dotdeb.org/2013/06/20/php-5-5-0-is-out-and-available-for-debian-7-0-wheezy/ |
| 19:11.22 | abrotman | do NOT use dotdeb packages |
| 19:11.29 | abrotman | broken stuff, avoid at all costs |
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| 19:11.42 | ElDiabolo | bline79, Actually never, wheezy has 5.4 and jessie has 5.6 |
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| 19:17.07 | ToApolytoXaos | abrotman, i just found this article http://www.distrogeeks.com/install-multiple-php-versions-in-ubuntu-lamp-server/ |
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| 19:17.29 | ToApolytoXaos | is it a reliable example to run multiple PHP versions? i'm kindly asking in case you know |
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| 19:18.30 | bline79 | thank you ToApolytoXaos abrotman ElDiabolo |
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| 19:19.50 | rozie | abrotman: can you elaborate on 21:11 < abrotman> broken stuff, avoid at all costs ? |
| 19:19.54 | abrotman | ToApolytoXaos: I wouldn't try it myself, I'd use a chroot |
| 19:20.10 | ToApolytoXaos | yeah, that would do |
| 19:20.14 | abrotman | rozie: we've had lots of people in here with systems that couldn't be upgraded, or those packages removed, because the packges are so damn broken |
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| 19:21.49 | ToApolytoXaos | bline79: to tell you the truth, i'm using debian testing (64-bit) and use the latest available packages with lighttpd and i'm too happy with such lightweight and super fast web server. |
| 19:22.18 | rozie | I understand problems with upgrade (especially dist-upgrade), and it's kind of normal situation (3rd party packages...), but I know a lot of people that use dotdeb and are happy with this |
| 19:23.21 | rozie | right now I also use php from dotdeb on my server, but for short time. no problems so far |
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| 19:27.58 | bline79 | ToApolytoXaos: I've got a lot to worry about here, we're rolling out a next generation web infrastructure so going to latest and greatest and keeping up with updates is not for this project |
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| 19:28.29 | bline79 | I am happy to hear 5.4 will be supported for a while going ahead. We're migrating some ancient code to this new platform. The slower the platform moves, the better |
| 19:28.40 | bline79 | (as far as updates go) :) |
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| 19:29.00 | ToApolytoXaos | good to know; well, php 5.4 is all you need |
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| 19:29.19 | ToApolytoXaos | it's more than enough, apart from the embedded OpCache that comes with PHP 5.5 by default |
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| 19:47.08 | zecar | hi |
| 19:47.23 | zecar | I just updated a couple versions to sid and now samba is not allowing guest connections |
| 19:47.26 | zecar | what changed? |
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| 19:59.38 | meek_geek | which linux certification courses are good enough ? |
| 20:01.07 | ghost_universal | lpi? |
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| 20:04.58 | Fjorgynn | device size with M = 1000*1000: 3228 MBytes (3 GB) |
| 20:05.19 | Fjorgynn | What do you mean my HDD is to small? |
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| 20:06.48 | terr1 | Anyone got HdHomeRun running on debian? Trying to install dvbhdhomerun-0.0.15 on kernel 3.7.1 getting "dvb_hdhomerun: Unknown symbol dvb_dmxdev_init (err 0)" and more.. any ideas? |
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| 20:07.12 | Fjorgynn | what is taht? |
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| 20:11.55 | centrx | terr kernel 3.7.1 ? |
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| 20:12.54 | centrx | terr1, It may depend on some libraries that need to be installed |
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| 20:14.25 | terr1 | centrx: yes 3.7.1 hmmm |
| 20:14.35 | Iz5wga | Hello guys |
| 20:14.43 | Iz5wga | I'm doctor Sbaitso. I'm here to help you. |
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| 20:15.04 | Iz5wga | Can you tell me your problem? |
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| 20:20.59 | stbatduke | Ohai! So, for reasons that I can't really explain quickly, I need to install gcc-4.4.5-8 in one of my companies installs of wheezy. The oldest 4.4 version that seems to be available in the sheezy apt repos is 4.4.7-2. I can't seem to find the package archives online. Can someone point me in the right direction? I absolutely must have a copy of gcc-4.4.5-8 installed instead (completely in place of) the 4.7 that comes with the wheezy install when it was |
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| 20:21.25 | stbatduke | s/sheezy/wheezy/g |
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| 20:23.25 | Iz5wga | what does apt-cache showpkg gcc output? |
| 20:23.36 | Iz5wga | (like if "output" was a verb) |
| 20:25.51 | stbatduke | Hi Iz5wga |
| 20:25.51 | stbatduke | http://pastebin.com/DquqTeuK |
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| 20:26.32 | stbatduke | I definitely already understand about the dependencies issue, and will take care of that as needed |
| 20:26.57 | Fjorgynn | fish |
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| 20:30.32 | stbatduke | fish ... heads? |
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| 20:31.15 | babilen | Please take off-topic chatter to #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
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| 20:31.50 | stbatduke | sorry babilen |
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| 20:32.32 | stbatduke | any ideas from that gcc thing Iz5wga ? I am in desparate need of gcc-4.4.5-8 in wheezy |
| 20:33.00 | babilen | wheezy ships 4.4.7-2 |
| 20:33.11 | stbatduke | nods |
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| 20:33.21 | stbatduke | (4:20:59 PM) stbatduke: Ohai! So, for reasons that I can't really explain quickly, I need to install gcc-4.4.5-8 in one of my companies installs of wheezy. The oldest 4.4 version that seems to be available in the sheezy apt repos is 4.4.7-2. I can't seem to find the package archives online. Can someone point me in the right direction? I absolutely must have a copy of gcc-4.4.5-8 installed instead (completely in place of) the 4.7 that comes with the whe |
| 20:33.23 | tomivs | How i can install java on debian squezee? |
| 20:33.45 | babilen | stbatduke: That sounds horrible |
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| 20:34.10 | babilen | stbatduke: My recommendation would be: Configure a chroot or VM and grab the package you need from snapshots |
| 20:34.10 | stbatduke | I know it does, I can't help it at this time without costing my department an extra 3 weeks of work, pay, and likely my job :D |
| 20:34.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell stbatduke -about snapshot |
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| 20:35.22 | stbatduke | ty looking |
| 20:35.35 | babilen | stbatduke: It should definitely be fixed eventually (come on, you can't rely on X.Y..5 vs X.Y.7), but snapshots should satisfy your immediate need. I would, however, make it perfectly clear that this is something that should be solved. |
| 20:35.46 | tremon | stbatduke: fyi, wheezy's 4.4.7 is not 4.7 |
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| 20:36.16 | babilen | stbatduke: And just to make sure: You really depend on that specific minor version? |
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| 20:36.34 | stbatduke | nods and understands |
| 20:36.45 | stbatduke | yes, unfortunately for the quick moment I really depend on that specific minor version |
| 20:36.54 | babilen | Oh dear :( |
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| 20:37.09 | babilen | Intriguing. I'll have to check their release notes. |
| 20:37.20 | stbatduke | without going too far into it, the developers gave us code that works in wheezy but not in squeeze, and I cannot upgrade the production server without brinigng down large quantities of production research |
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| 20:38.02 | babilen | It works in wheezy with 4.4.5-8 (i.e. the version in squeeze) ? |
| 20:38.23 | stbatduke | Trying to test this in order to track down the problem |
| 20:38.28 | tremon | stbatduke: can you explain less quickly why you need that specific minor version? there should be no feature differences between 4.4.5 and 4.4.7. Are you sure it's the compiler you need and not some library version? |
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| 20:38.46 | stbatduke | Ok sure lemme try |
| 20:38.49 | stbatduke | :) |
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| 20:39.15 | stbatduke | We have a python application that runs on some custom tools developed in some python virtualenvs .... |
| 20:39.45 | babilen | stbatduke: Start from the beginning please: Which release are you running on the box that *should* run this code? Which version of GCC has this been developed against? If it does, as you say, run on wheezy, but not squeeze, why don't you simply use the version in wheezy? |
| 20:39.48 | stbatduke | they were originally developed in squeeze, but now the new version works only in wheezy because we hired a different developer firm in Hyderabad ... |
| 20:39.58 | stbatduke | ok hmm |
| 20:39.59 | babilen | ok |
| 20:40.01 | meek_geek | which linux certification courses are good enough ? |
| 20:40.26 | babilen | meek_geek: None and this is not a support question. Ask in #debian-offtopic please. LPI has already been mentioned. |
| 20:40.41 | stbatduke | I am, to be honest, not entirely sure what version the software was originally developed in. I think squeeze 6.0.9 |
| 20:41.01 | stbatduke | Unfortunately for me, I am new to the team because the original Administrator is in the hospital, and the origianl developer is in another job :/ |
| 20:41.15 | babilen | Sure, but that can't be changed. |
| 20:41.15 | tremon | meek_geek: also ask ##linux. There are no debian-specific certifications that I'm aware of |
| 20:41.20 | stbatduke | correct |
| 20:42.02 | stbatduke | So my understanding is that it was developed for 6.0.9 with some weird issues with getting the python virtual environment wrapper to work correctly |
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| 20:42.22 | stbatduke | the production server has gcc 4.4.5-8 as I mentioned before, |
| 20:42.27 | babilen | stbatduke: Am I understanding you correctly that the box you want to deploy on runs wheezy but that it "does not run" for some, as of now, unknown reason. For yet another unknown reason you think that the GCC version is to blame here. |
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| 20:42.44 | stbatduke | almost lemme get there |
| 20:42.49 | babilen | Ah, so the production server is on squeeze? |
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| 20:42.58 | babilen | shuts up |
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| 20:43.38 | stbatduke | so we have a developement lifecycle (right word?) that takes us from the developers servers, to our dev server, where we then deploy to our test server for testing the code more carefully .. then we goto production |
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| 20:43.59 | stbatduke | the test server is where we tested a recent code push / update |
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| 20:44.15 | stbatduke | the test server has wheezy 7.5 with gcc 4.7 originally |
| 20:44.19 | babilen | I just can't quite combine "I need GCC 4.4.5-8" (i.e. the version in squeeze) and "that works in wheezy but not in squeeze" -- hence my confusion |
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| 20:44.24 | stbatduke | The test server we USED to use had squeeze :) |
| 20:45.03 | babilen | gcc 4.4.7-2 != gcc 4.7 |
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| 20:45.11 | babilen | (but gcc 4.4) |
| 20:45.27 | tremon | stbatduke: your production and acceptance machines run/ran different software versions? |
| 20:45.43 | stbatduke | right well I can only get down to 4.4.7-2 at the moment in wheezy |
| 20:45.57 | stbatduke | tremon: not originally no |
| 20:46.25 | stbatduke | we had to move to a different hosting company that can do HIPAA and is willing to sign a business contract and <insert legal weirdness here> |
| 20:46.33 | stbatduke | So, |
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| 20:47.02 | stbatduke | The software (this is going to be painful) that is custom written, requires that everything is installed in a python virtualenv and each "application" runs the same software, but different instances of it ... |
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| 20:47.14 | stbatduke | each virtualenv ends up getting a full install of all of the python packages, |
| 20:47.22 | stbatduke | and in the production (squeeze) environment, |
| 20:47.26 | babilen | Please don't mix up different versions of GCC 4.4 (4.4.5-8 in squeeze, 4.4.7-2 in wheezy) and GCC 4.7 (4.7.2-5 on wheezy, not in squeeze) |
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| 20:47.48 | stbatduke | Sorry if I mixed them up, |
| 20:47.58 | babilen | It is an important difference. |
| 20:48.00 | stbatduke | psycopg2 2.5.2 and a bunch of other things are failing installs in the production sque4eze version |
| 20:48.25 | stbatduke | So yeah, on the test server (wheezy) there is 4.7 originally, and I could only downgrade it to 4.4.7-2 ... |
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| 20:48.42 | stbatduke | well not downgrade per se ... just removed 4.7 and installed 4.4 and it wasn't the same version |
| 20:48.49 | babilen | Okay, so you essentially have a squeeze system but require GCC 4.7 (which is *not* 4.4.7-2 as that if GCC 4.4) |
| 20:49.15 | babilen | 4.4.7 is not 4.7 but 4.4 .. don't mix them |
| 20:49.16 | stbatduke | What I am trying to do (and it is ok to break the test server) is to downgrade the gcc and get the same error trying to install on wheezy with gcc 4.4.5-8 as I do in squeeze currently |
| 20:49.20 | babilen | judd: v gcc-4.4 |
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| 20:49.21 | judd | Package: gcc-4.4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4.5-8; wheezy: 4.4.7-2; sid: 4.4.7-8 |
| 20:49.22 | stbatduke | I know they are noit the same |
| 20:49.24 | babilen | judd: v gcc-4.7 |
| 20:49.25 | judd | Package: gcc-4.7 on i386 -- wheezy: 4.7.2-5; jessie: 4.7.4-2; sid: 4.7.4-2 |
| 20:49.55 | babilen | Totally different GCC version and GCC 4.4.7-2 is *not* GCC 4.7 |
| 20:50.04 | stbatduke | I totally understand |
| 20:50.09 | babilen | Okay |
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| 20:50.38 | babilen | So, one step back: You want to get your software running on squeeze but you need GCC 4.7 ? |
| 20:50.41 | stbatduke | GCC is 4.7 because of issues with 4.4 and 4.7 is the latest stable so to install older you install using the version numbers like 4.4 or 4.2 or 2.1 (ug 2.1 shudder) |
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| 20:50.56 | stbatduke | babilen: Actually yes |
| 20:51.25 | babilen | And an upgrade of that box to wheezy (which comes with GCC 4.7 and has been confirmed as working) is not an option? (why?) |
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| 20:51.29 | stbatduke | however, I am not the developer (yet) and we need to determine for certain that the developers currently hired for the project used the wrong version |
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| 20:51.46 | stbatduke | that's why I'm trying to do this on test box, because if test box goes down I can just re-image the VM to yesterday |
| 20:52.38 | stbatduke | basically, due to cultural differences and the business contract we have to prove things to keep everything legal and hipaa and <insert weird legal stuff here > |
| 20:53.10 | tremon | hmm, I thought you needed gcc-4.4 on wheezy. But you actually need gcc-4.7 on squeeze? |
| 20:53.14 | stbatduke | can here the sighs and banter from across tcpip ;-) |
| 20:53.32 | babilen | So, the facts are: Software run fine on wheezy but doesn't run on squeeze. For an unknown reason you don't deploy on wheezy but on squeeze and you think that it is because squeeze used gcc 4.4 while wheezy uses gcc 4.7. Is that correct so far? |
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| 20:53.54 | stbatduke | mostly yeah |
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| 20:54.03 | babilen | tremon: yeah, that is my understanding so far too |
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| 20:54.09 | tremon | I fear that will be an impossibility from a legal point of view, since there are no packages for it, so you would need to backport it (i.e. compile it yourself). |
| 20:54.32 | stbatduke | I'm ok with compiling it myself, I can still prove that then |
| 20:54.33 | babilen | dpkg: tell stbatduke -about ssb |
| 20:55.04 | babilen | It very much sounds as if the real solution is to "simply" upgrade the box you deploy on to wheezy. |
| 20:55.14 | tremon | still, if you can't reproduce the problem with your self-built gcc-4.7, that will still be inconclusive |
| 20:55.33 | stbatduke | nods |
| 20:55.34 | tremon | since you cannot prove if the failure is due to your recompiled compiler or the original software |
| 20:55.43 | stbatduke | right |
| 20:55.44 | Possum | I'm having trouble getting a package (linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64_3.2.60-1+deb7u3_amd64.deb) from security.debian.org ... is there a known issue with that package? |
| 20:55.51 | tremon | but hey, whatever ticks the regulatory checkboxes :) |
| 20:55.57 | babilen | Possum: What are you really trying to do? |
| 20:56.03 | babilen | tremon: we've all been there ;) |
| 20:56.10 | Possum | aptitude upgrade :) |
| 20:56.15 | tremon | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 20:56.16 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.14+59~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.14+59; sid: 3.14+59 |
| 20:56.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell Possum -about bat |
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| 20:57.09 | stbatduke | thank you tremon and babilen :-D this has helped a bunch! I will try the backports stuff you sent me .. and if all else fails, I'll just stick my feet in the ground and insist that we cannot continue until we match all the server versions and things |
| 20:57.19 | babilen | stbatduke: Check the message our bot sent you. You don't want to backport from sid though, but from wheezy (and therefore need a deb-src entry for that) |
| 20:57.27 | stbatduke | nods |
| 20:57.56 | babilen | stbatduke: You might even be able to just install the binary package from sid directly. (not that that is a particular good idea, but it might be less of a hassle) |
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| 20:58.15 | babilen | It might have all sorts of inappropriate dependencies though. |
| 20:58.18 | tremon | I don't think that will work. I'm pretty sure gcc requires a newer libc |
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| 20:58.47 | tremon | (as in, the gcc package always depends on at least the libc version it was built with) |
| 20:59.02 | stbatduke | it does in fact tremon :) |
| 20:59.09 | babilen | yeah |
| 20:59.14 | stbatduke | libgccpp too |
| 20:59.21 | babilen | judd: checkbackport gcc-4.7 --fromrelease=wheezy --torelease=squeeze |
| 20:59.23 | judd | Backporting package gcc-4.7 in wheezyâsqueeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: binutils (>= 2.21.1) | binutils-multiarch (>= 2.21.1), libmpfr-dev (>= 3.0.0-9~), libgmp-dev (>= 2:5.0.1~);Build-Depends-Indep: doxygen (>= 1.7.2). |
| 20:59.32 | babilen | Ah, lovely |
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| 20:59.53 | babilen | stbatduke: You will have to backport all of ^^^ before you can backport gcc-4.7 |
| 20:59.58 | babilen | (and install it) |
| 21:00.06 | stbatduke | weeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! |
| 21:00.24 | tremon | hmm, libgmp may be a challenge. iirc some gmp and gcc versions needed to be upgraded in lockstep |
| 21:00.26 | stbatduke | Acually believe it or not this stuff all helps a bunch |
| 21:00.58 | stbatduke | because I can push all of this into an email or two, and maybe force the issue of the server versions in the first place, and skip the trouble of backporting :D |
| 21:01.05 | babilen | stbatduke: To be honest: The only reasonable course of action is an upgrade to wheezy |
| 21:01.17 | stbatduke | I totally agree babilen |
| 21:01.56 | babilen | Everything else is ludicrous. I mean you have a perfectly supported up-to-date stable release of Debian that you develop against. You should just run that in production. |
| 21:02.24 | tremon | stbatduke: if backporting libgmp or libmpfr fails, you can always try the recompile with the squeeze versions of those libraries. You will have to edit the debian/control file and lower the versioned dependencies for that to work |
| 21:02.41 | babilen | I can understand that showing that "Yes, it is GCC 4.7 and it is a pain to backport/maintain it manually as ...." is a good thing for a couple of mails to the great unwashed, but still .. |
| 21:03.23 | tremon | maybe it will cause the compile to blow up halfway, but since you're already in uncharted territory, no point in going half the way |
| 21:03.23 | babilen | tremon: You would hope that the build dependencies don't actually enforce versions that aren't needed, but yeah |
| 21:03.37 | stbatduke | I didn't think of that tremon that may also be an option, but I'll keep that to myself until the boss says to find another option other than upgrades |
| 21:04.04 | Possum | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/115252/ |
| 21:04.15 | stbatduke | babilen: nicely put |
| 21:04.23 | Possum | It tries to redownload the package until I Ctrl-C |
| 21:05.49 | Possum | And trying to pull it manually with wget yields "Connection closed at byte 23404544. Retrying." consistently at the same byte |
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| 21:06.39 | babilen | Possum: Hmm, that really seems to indicate a problem. One second please. |
| 21:07.16 | tremon | Possum: I can download it here just fine. If it's any consolation, you're only missing the last 16kB of the file ;) |
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| 21:07.32 | Possum | heh :) Let me try from a different system... |
| 21:07.34 | centrx | but that's the best part |
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| 21:08.25 | tremon | yeah, dpkg can't really handle not knowing how things end |
| 21:08.58 | tremon | retries the download without his apt proxy |
| 21:09.14 | babilen | I can download it without problems too |
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| 21:12.13 | Possum | tremon, babilen, it's a VM, and I also couldn't download it from the host... host is running a firewall (out of my control) so I bet that's what was causing problems |
| 21:12.27 | Possum | Anyway, I grabbed it from a different system so I'm good now. Thanks! |
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| 21:14.04 | Otyugh | hey. What would you consider as simple&leightweight mailserver on debian ? |
| 21:14.39 | Otyugh | I tried dovecot&postfix, but the tutorial I found were... Well. Super messy. I did not enjoyed the trip. |
| 21:15.28 | jhutchins | Otyugh: I believe the defaults are exim4 and dovecot. |
| 21:15.45 | jhutchins | Otyugh: For basic configuration dpkg can get you set up and working. |
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| 21:16.25 | Otyugh | jhutchins: did you tried it by yourself ? |
| 21:16.34 | jhutchins | Otyugh: On the other hand, a mail server is a complex system, and you're on the front lines of spam and malware if your running one, so it's worth reading the sendmail book. |
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| 21:17.06 | Otyugh | I'd want to see the problem. I can shutdown the server if anything, and I'll read then :) |
| 21:17.07 | jhutchins | Otyugh: I've managed mail servers for many years. Sendmail, postfix, exim, and exchange. |
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| 21:18.19 | Otyugh | jhutchins: I will be running it on a small device (arm) for family usage mainly. And we only use simple pop. Would exim-dovecot be ok ? |
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| 21:18.22 | jmcnaught | Otyugh: I agree with jhutchins, running a mail server is not trivial. The official Postfix site has pretty good documentation though if you want to stick with Postfix (definitely better to read the official docs than following random tutorials which don't give the whole picture). "The Book of Postfix" by Hildebrant and Koetter is also quite good |
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| 21:20.15 | Otyugh | I don't understand. Why would it be that difficult ? If one config is working, why isn't it shared and re-used ? Everyon have to make his own sword in the battle ? :o |
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| 21:20.44 | jhutchins | Otyugh: That's why you need more knowledge. You need to know why it has to be customized. |
| 21:20.49 | tremon | Otyugh: no, but each fights his own battle nonetheless |
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| 21:21.24 | Otyugh | ahhhh :s |
| 21:21.30 | tremon | ;) |
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| 21:21.46 | Otyugh | I don't mind to learn though. I'm just resigned to lose weeks on it é_è |
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| 21:22.05 | jhutchins | Otyugh: For an internal mailserver things are pretty simple, but once you start trying to deal with the world at large it's a whole new game. |
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| 21:22.47 | Otyugh | so the day when everyon will host his own mailserver is not coming anyway ? |
| 21:23.05 | jhutchins | Otyugh: You're probably going to need to route your outbound mail through your ISP. |
| 21:23.13 | jhutchins | Otyugh: Come and gone long ago. |
| 21:23.35 | Otyugh | who is the faulty panda ? |
| 21:24.03 | Otyugh | it's soooo simple to set a website theses days é_è |
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| 21:24.27 | Otyugh | I really though it was the same fight. |
| 21:24.34 | jhutchins | Otyugh: Yeah, but a GOOD web site - not so simple. |
| 21:24.42 | Guest23202 | whats better wget or curl |
| 21:24.50 | jhutchins | Guest23202: Yes. |
| 21:25.04 | Otyugh | well. A simple website is quite easy to be good. Complicated ones are hard to keep good. |
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| 21:25.35 | tremon | my guess is that a faulty mailserver will get you blacklisted easily, while a festering website can linger for years before the maintainer gets a clue |
| 21:26.21 | jhutchins | Otyugh: I would recommend that you purge postfix and dovecot, install exim and let dpkg guide you through setup, then reinstall dovecot. |
| 21:26.56 | jhutchins | Otyugh: Alternatively, clean up the configuration changes you made on postfix and try dpkg-reconfigure postfix. |
| 21:27.14 | Otyugh | well I did that lot of time already :O |
| 21:27.20 | Otyugh | routine ! |
| 21:28.40 | brontosaurusrex | making a good facebook profile is even harder thought. |
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| 21:28.57 | Otyugh | sA good facebook profile is a dead one. |
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| 21:30.01 | brontosaurusrex | actually its harder to setup a web site this days, just considering all the devices out there and all that spageti css |
| 21:30.11 | brontosaurusrex | imho |
| 21:30.27 | brontosaurusrex | used to be just gif, link and text |
| 21:30.32 | brontosaurusrex | and tables |
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| 21:31.30 | Otyugh | jhutchins: as experianced user, don't you have a preference in the magical forest of mailservers ? :o |
| 21:32.02 | formorer | (postfix) |
| 21:33.51 | jhutchins | Otyugh: I'm currently using exim because it's the default and it's not worth the effort to change. |
| 21:34.02 | mengesb | I've built a new kernel from source; wondering how I can make a debian package for the source (like I did for linux-image) |
| 21:34.09 | jhutchins | Otyugh: None of them is perfect. |
| 21:34.14 | mengesb | anyone have a link /guide? |
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| 21:34.45 | Otyugh | jhutchins: well dah. exim it is then. |
| 21:35.07 | jhutchins | Otyugh: Sendmail is probably the most versitile, but finding out how to do some of the things it can do is very difficult. Even knowing that they can be done isn't easy. |
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| 21:39.03 | tremon | !tell mengesb -about kernel handbook |
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| 21:40.19 | mengesb | tremon: right... I did follow this to create the linux-image, headers, etc packages |
| 21:40.23 | mengesb | but I don't have a linux-source package |
| 21:40.40 | mengesb | or a source deb for what I built... not seeing it in the handbook |
| 21:40.44 | tremon | mengesb: indeed, it doesn't appear to be in there :) |
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| 21:43.44 | crimsoncrow | hi? |
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| 21:44.49 | mengesb | nothing about making a source deb package |
| 21:44.51 | mengesb | =( |
| 21:45.25 | tremon | mengesb: a linux-source package is nothing more than a .tar.bz2 of the source dir. You can probably do it manually by running a make distclean, then tarring up the source dir |
| 21:45.46 | tremon | (well, it is something more -- it's a .deb containing that tar.bz2) |
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| 21:45.54 | jhutchins | mengesb: You might ask in #debian-mentors on oftc.net. |
| 21:46.04 | mengesb | k |
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| 21:50.15 | glukt | im having problems getting the nvidia driver to work, its not even really attempting to load the module and just using vesa all the time... `modprobe nvidia` shows the dkms module was compiled correctly, though |
| 21:50.53 | glukt | i dont see any errors in my Xorg.0.log, it just seems to detect things as intel for some reason |
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| 21:52.06 | mengesb | well at least a prestine 3.16 kernel doesn't crash my domU |
| 21:52.10 | twirlobite | does anyone here code Python using Emacs on Wheezy stable? |
| 21:52.50 | mengesb | is a vim heresy guy |
| 21:53.19 | glukt | oh and where the hell did nvidia-settings go? i havent used nvidia cards in a long time did they get rid of it? |
| 21:53.40 | twirlobite | is it truly bad practice to go "sudo pip install ..."? |
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| 21:53.52 | twirlobite | because some stuff just isn't in the debian repositories... |
| 21:54.24 | glukt | what does that have to do with emacs? :P |
| 21:54.34 | mengesb | twirlobite: rarely do I appreciate my systems having that being done, however there are circumstances where it is correct to do so - more so with virtualenv though... that I'm more lax on |
| 21:55.06 | mengesb | twirlobite: pip install into virtualenv is OK with me.... |
| 21:55.16 | glukt | it would be interesting to see a wrapper for PIP that installs things into dpkg |
| 21:55.17 | tremon | twirlobite: as always, it depends. If you're using pip to install to /usr/lib, then yes it's bad practice |
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| 21:55.57 | tremon | if you're using pip to install things to /usr/local, that's defensible |
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| 21:56.28 | tremon | and if you're using pip to manage a virtualenv, then you should probably not be using sudo |
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| 22:08.06 | disf | hi |
| 22:09.05 | disf | ali1234: i have 2 laptops that i want to connect together |
| 22:09.27 | disf | what is the best way to do it? |
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| 22:10.31 | disf | hi systmkor3 |
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| 22:13.20 | glukt | disf: thats pretty vague, what are you trying to do exactly? |
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| 22:16.09 | rgr | superglue might work. |
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| 22:21.18 | jose1043 | HOla |
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| 22:22.05 | jose1043 | quien juega minecraft |
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| 22:22.49 | disf_ | hi |
| 22:22.58 | disf_ | some here?? |
| 22:23.03 | disf_ | how i can connect 2 laptops?? |
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| 22:25.07 | glukt | disf_: our current reigning theory is superglue as suggested by rgr... your question is too vague, please explain what you mean |
| 22:26.06 | DanDare | a crossover ethernet cable :p |
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| 22:28.07 | glukt | disf_: are you trying to physically connect them via hardware (IE: DanDare's suggestion of a crossover cable), are you trying to share files? are you trying to connect to a remote shell? remote desktop? connect inputs like mice/keyboard? i mean i could go on and on... |
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| 22:29.10 | DanDare | he may be trying to connect both to a power supply, using Debian ! |
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| 22:30.17 | glukt | bluetooth connect |
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| 22:31.50 | disf_ | glukt: from what i read now i need to open ports for vpn |
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| 22:32.05 | Otyugh | oO |
| 22:32.25 | Otyugh | VPN, connect 2 laptops ? |
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| 22:34.47 | glukt | disf_: what is your ultimate goal here? what type of environment are you in? are you sitting at home on a standard home router trying to connect two laptops together or are you sitting in an enterprise environment and need to VPN in to a specific network to get in the same VLAN for communication between them...? i can see VPN being the right answer but if you are sitting in the same room as the two laptops, especially at home, without an existing VPN serve |
| 22:34.51 | systmkor3 | disf_: hello |
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| 22:39.45 | rgr | disf_: as you can see you will get a lot of clever responses. Just say what it is you want to achive "openng a port" isnt such a tangible Q. Why is it you want to connect 2 laptops? Transfer files? Copy directories? Stream video? |
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| 22:56.06 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: hey i'm not sure if you figured out the scipy issue you were having last night. Did you try the "python-scipy" package first? If you want to be able to build sci (or if pip needs to in a virtualenv for example) "apt-get build-dep python-scipy" should get you everything you need. |
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| 22:59.12 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: hey, yes i was able to figure it out :) i needed to get gfortran |
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| 23:03.25 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: cool i'm glad you figured it out. "apt-get build-dep" is pretty handy for situations like that |
| 23:03.54 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: if i have emacs open in a virtual terminal, do you know how i might copy something from there into something in another terminal (for example, maybe in a web browser in the terminal running the GUI?) |
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| 23:07.23 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: if you mean a tty you could look into "gpm" but I don't think it can copy to the X clip board. If you mean a terminal emulator, some like Gnome Terminal copy is "shift-ctrl-c" |
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| 23:09.20 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: i meant tty. let me look into gpm |
| 23:09.39 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: is it best practice to work in a terminal emulator? |
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| 23:10.52 | zvz | also interested in a copy/paste solution for tty besides echo >'ing to a ~/.clipboard (or whatever) file and retrieving it. then again i'm sure there are plenty of scripts out there that can act like a clipboard for tty. |
| 23:11.21 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: i prefer terminal emulators, they're more convenient and usually stuff like international characters just work |
| 23:12.01 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: then can i set things up so that every other tty just starts up as a gui? |
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| 23:12.26 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: then if i want, i can start a terminal emulator in each gui... |
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| 23:14.32 | jmcnaught | twirlobite: hmmm... that sounds like doing it the hard way to me. Why not use a window manager with multiple virtual desktops? I love gnome-shell for its dynamic virtual desktops for this reason. |
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| 23:21.13 | twirlobite | jmcnaught: how do these virtual desktops work in terms of "splitting the load on the processor". in that same way, how do "virtual terminals" work? why bother having a whole bunch of virtual terminals? |
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| 23:23.04 | linagee | is there a better mirror than archive.debian.org for downloading old dists? There seems to be missing files from woody 3.0-r0 |
| 23:23.16 | linagee | (or is there a better/different woody to get?) |
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| 23:33.32 | linagee | disregard. I found someone with a 3.0r2 iso. |
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| 23:38.41 | jimmt | which version of debian would run best in a virtual machine |
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| 23:39.58 | aypea[0] | jimmt: I've run lenny, squeeze and woody. lenny may need a fresher kernel. not sure. |
| 23:40.21 | aypea[0] | that said, you should be aiming for woody at least as it's current stable. |
| 23:40.52 | jimmt | woody is apparently obsoleted by "sarge" |
| 23:40.58 | aypea[0] | err |
| 23:40.59 | aypea[0] | wheezy |
| 23:41.01 | somiaj | what? woody is not the current stable, woody hasn't been supported for a long time |
| 23:41.01 | aypea[0] | sigh |
| 23:41.04 | aypea[0] | my bad |
| 23:41.19 | aypea[0] | was just looking at archive.debian.org and his brain got confuzzled :) |
| 23:41.32 | jimmt | these are all pixar characters or something aren't they\ |
| 23:41.41 | aypea[0] | toy story, yeah |
| 23:41.46 | somiaj | jimmt: wheezy runs just fine in a vm, and unless you have some special need I would go with that. |
| 23:42.07 | jimmt | 64bit gives trouble with VMs sometimes doesn't it |
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| 23:42.46 | somiaj | I haven't noticed any trobules for me, might depend on what virtuilization you are using and what your host is though. |
| 23:42.52 | aypea[0] | jimmt: I only run 64bit across 200+ vms |
| 23:43.12 | babilen | jimmt: Install wheezy |
| 23:43.28 | babilen | aypea[0]: Please do not recommend ancient and unsupported releases, ta! |
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| 23:43.48 | aypea[0] | babilen: catch up with all I said. |
| 23:44.17 | babilen | Yeah, neither lenny nor squeeze would be a good idea :) |
| 23:44.30 | babilen | But yeah, you s/woody/wheezy in the end :D |
| 23:44.35 | aypea[0] | :) |
| 23:44.42 | aypea[0] | total brainfart. |
| 23:44.46 | jimmt | https://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ shouldn't this page link to the download page |
| 23:44.52 | jimmt | I found the download page but had to regoogle it |
| 23:45.10 | babilen | https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
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| 23:58.44 | Ca11um | Can anybody link me to a tutorial that shows you how to setup an email server on Debian, and if you follow the steps, it actually works? |
| 23:58.53 | Ca11um | I've tried various tutorials but for some reason or another they just don't work as intended |
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